| 00:00.00 | babilen | graybis: You have to connect to the internet and then reinstall network-manager-gnome |
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| 00:01.07 | hesco | thanks. I alraedy have a short perl script I developed for this purpose when I started rolling out puppet in our environment a couple of years ago. Still hack on it from time to time, but these days mostly to add new users. |
| 00:01.39 | babilen | hesco: Their package shouldn't do that though |
| 00:02.21 | babilen | Or just use the Debian package. It doesn't do that: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-puppet/puppet.git/tree/debian/puppet-common.postinst |
| 00:02.41 | babilen | (as it should be) |
| 00:02.44 | hesco | so debian policy aorund that is what precisely? Any authority I can cite in my conversations with the maintainers? |
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| 00:02.55 | babilen | hang on |
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| 00:05.01 | solidus-river | is there a way with dpkg to check what pulled in a package? |
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| 00:05.06 | graybis | Ok cool it got fixed. |
| 00:05.20 | graybis | Thanks everyone just one piece of advice. How can I avoid removing all my software again? |
| 00:05.21 | graybis | With aptitude? |
| 00:05.29 | solidus-river | i'm trying to hunt down why something was installed on a dev box but not another dev box |
| 00:05.30 | graybis | I really appreicate your time, you really saved me. |
| 00:05.31 | somiaj | solidus-river: aptitude why packagename |
| 00:05.44 | solidus-river | somiaj: thanks :) |
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| 00:07.29 | babilen | hesco: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch12.en.html https://wiki.debian.org/AccountHandlingInMaintainerScripts -- ask #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net for better links (I can't find anything authorative right now) |
| 00:07.58 | hesco | babilen: looking at that file on my docker host, it seems to be using the same invocation as the debian package you pointed me at. |
| 00:08.33 | babilen | hesco: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html - 9.2.2 UID and GID classes |
| 00:08.34 | hesco | babilen: thanks for those links: will review and see what can be done to resolve this. |
| 00:09.03 | babilen | (I actually meant to paste that link in lieu of the securing-debian-howto) |
| 00:10.22 | babilen | hesco: If it does that than you can create the user manually before (it will not run the adduser command if the user exists already) |
| 00:10.26 | hesco | ah, thanks. That looks useful. |
| 00:10.40 | babilen | And it really uses *exactly* the same command? |
| 00:11.32 | babilen | could you paste their postinst ? |
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| 00:11.49 | Gedoubleo | Help!!!!!! |
| 00:11.53 | hesco | that is what I thought I had tried, but apparently I need to examine what I've done and try again, because creating those users and fixing their uid/gid assignments ahead of time did not change the outcome. But perhaps my code did not do what I had thought it would do. |
| 00:12.13 | hesco | I need to blow away the docker image and start from scratch apparently. |
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| 00:13.11 | graybis | Why the memory test has been added to the boot screen? |
| 00:13.14 | graybis | Can I edit it? |
| 00:13.19 | Gedoubleo | can some one help me!, my wpagui is giving me a" could not get status from wpa_supplicant" |
| 00:13.57 | somiaj | graybis: did you install the package memtest86? |
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| 00:14.16 | somiaj | graybis: what do you want to do via editing it? Remove it? |
| 00:14.29 | hesco | babilen: as requested: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/b24eaae405ab581fcb2b |
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| 00:15.04 | babilen | ta |
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| 00:15.51 | babilen | hesco: The part that creates the user wouldn't run if you created a "puppet" user before (as the getent passwd puppet will not fail) |
| 00:16.10 | babilen | It looks as if creating the user ahead of the package install should work |
| 00:16.17 | graybis | So I guess memtest? is wrong? Can we remove it? |
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| 00:16.32 | Gedoubleo | what do i do to fixt his error" could not get status from wpa_supplicant" |
| 00:16.36 | hesco | so I guess the puppet user already existed in the docker image before I started running my script. Will rebuild that from scratch I guess. |
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| 00:16.51 | hesco | thanks babilen. |
| 00:16.55 | hesco | That is helpful. |
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| 00:17.12 | babilen | You are welcome. Have fun and see you in #docker :) |
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| 00:17.22 | hesco | sure, thanks. |
| 00:17.28 | babilen | (now you only need to make it to #salt and all would be well) |
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| 00:18.17 | somiaj | graybis: if that is the package you can remove it, apt-get remove memtest86 |
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| 00:18.49 | rawburt | I want to use Ubuntu's package for Deja-Dup on a Debian system. the version Debian distributes is a 2008 version. because Deja-Dup is the default Ubuntu backup software, and has active development in their repos, is there some way I can tell aptitude to use their repos for this one package? assuming there aren't unmet dependencies, which I can handle with each upgrade. |
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| 00:20.03 | somiaj | rawburt: no, due to dependencies and the likes it is very dangrous to just install one package from another forign repo |
| 00:20.30 | rawburt | somiaj: yeah, I agree. I just really want it :) |
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| 00:20.42 | somiaj | rawburt: you will want to compile the software against the packages you have, But you can take their source code (or maybe even the upstream sorcecode) and compile your own custom package |
| 00:20.58 | rawburt | thats a good idea. |
| 00:21.01 | somiaj | provided such software can be built on wheezy (or what ever debian version you run) this way is safe |
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| 00:22.08 | Akuw | hi |
| 00:22.10 | rawburt | thanks somiaj, you help me decide on what to do. I'm going to compile. |
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| 00:22.18 | Akuw | i am trying to connect to a windows VPN |
| 00:22.21 | rawburt | s/help/helped/ |
| 00:22.35 | Akuw | what protocols i need enable? |
| 00:23.27 | rawburt | oh look at this, I can get the latest in package format: https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/deja-dup |
| 00:23.50 | rawburt | Akuw: what do you mean by "what protocols"? |
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| 00:24.27 | Akuw | sorry, authentication methods |
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| 00:25.09 | graybis | Guys I can't add internet to the FREEBSD |
| 00:25.12 | graybis | that I just installed |
| 00:25.14 | Akuw | PAP, CHAP, MSCHAP, MSCHAPv2, EAP |
| 00:25.14 | graybis | It aint work :/ |
| 00:25.24 | rawburt | oh no, I was wrong. |
| 00:25.29 | Akuw | i try almost all, but can connect |
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| 00:25.47 | rawburt | graybis: turn on the flux capacitor. |
| 00:26.01 | graybis | flux capacitor? |
| 00:26.05 | rawburt | Akuw: doesn't depend on whats configured on the other side? |
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| 00:26.36 | somiaj | rawburt: is the version 32.0 in sid recent enough for you compared to the 20.2 version in wheezy? |
| 00:27.06 | Akuw | no, i connect one time, but i can connect using some autentication methods |
| 00:27.21 | dvs | graybis: "When it goes 88 MPH, you're gonna see some real serious s**t!" |
| 00:27.30 | graybis | e? |
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| 00:27.45 | rawburt | somiaj: ah, yes. I suppose I can set sid up like I did backports? |
| 00:27.52 | rawburt | and it will magically work? :) |
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| 00:28.14 | somiaj | rawburt: no, but you can follow the instruction /msg dpkg ssb -- this may be an easier method to compile the software using the sid package than the ubuntu package |
| 00:28.52 | rawburt | somiaj: you are a genius. thanks. |
| 00:29.00 | somiaj | rawburt: mixxing wheezy and sid packages is just as bad as sid packages are not compiled for wheezy. But you can get the source package with all the stuff already setup to build a debian packages, and sometimes it is just easiest to get the source that way. |
| 00:29.25 | rawburt | I haven't done that before, but sure I can find the steps online. |
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| 00:29.59 | Akuw | hi |
| 00:30.01 | Akuw | i finally connect, but to doit i select only MSCHAP and MSCHAPv2 |
| 00:30.01 | Akuw | otherwise can't connect |
| 00:30.22 | rawburt | Akuw: cool, so process of elimination. |
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| 00:30.30 | Akuw | and Use MPPE encryption |
| 00:30.59 | Akuw | just want to share my experience :) |
| 00:31.04 | rawburt | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#Can_I_use_sid_packages_on_stable.3F |
| 00:31.19 | rawburt | for anyone else who is following somiaj and I's convo. |
| 00:31.50 | Akuw | abrotman; how are you |
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| 00:35.07 | daedeloth | does anyone have experience with hostapd? I'm completely stuck. |
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| 00:36.24 | somiaj | rawburt: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 00:36.28 | somiaj | !tell rawburt about ssb |
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| 00:56.36 | tharkun | Is there a way to tell Iceweasel to just go to a site that does not have a www. in front of its name? |
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| 01:00.16 | hesco | babilen: my issue may have been a mistyped path. /usr/bin/addgroup, rather than /usr/sbin. testing again. |
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| 01:09.17 | hesco | babilen: and life is good! Thanks for your help: |
| 01:09.20 | hesco | grep puppet /etc/passwd /etc/group |
| 01:09.22 | hesco | /etc/passwd:puppet:x:125:125:Puppet configuration management daemon,,,:/var/lib/puppet:/bin/bash |
| 01:09.24 | hesco | /etc/group:puppet:x:125: |
| 01:09.31 | babilen | +1 |
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| 01:09.50 | Gedoubleo | can someone help me???? |
| 01:09.54 | Gedoubleo | Please |
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| 01:10.04 | centrx | !ask |
| 01:10.05 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 01:11.02 | dvs | <Gedoubleo> what do i do to fixt his error" could not get status from wpa_supplicant" |
| 01:11.08 | hesco | centrx: Gedoubleo has mentioned a couple of times his error message with wpa_supplicant. |
| 01:11.48 | hesco | I do not mess much with wireless networking and would not really know how to proceed here, though I recognize this as a wireless chip driver issue. |
| 01:12.41 | Gedoubleo | i have a problem with my wifi adapter, i am running 7.6 debian, when i try to use wpa_gui it says that it could not get status from wpa_supplicant |
| 01:13.11 | Gedoubleo | my usb adapter is a Realtek RTL8188CU Wireless LAN |
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| 01:14.00 | dvs | Gedoubleo: https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
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| 01:15.03 | Gedoubleo | i am new at linux can you help me out a little |
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| 01:16.11 | dvs | Gedoubleo: https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22 is as easy as it gets |
| 01:17.19 | Gedoubleo | do i use the && sign when it says it??? |
| 01:17.33 | dvs | yes |
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| 01:18.31 | Gedoubleo | so i can just copy and paste every line? |
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| 01:21.26 | babilen | Gedoubleo: You would follow the instructions there and shouldn't skip a step |
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| 01:25.03 | tharkun | babilen: Shouldn't you be sleeping? |
| 01:25.44 | Gedoubleo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:29.15 | Gedoubleo | what should i do? |
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| 01:30.22 | Brigo | Gedoubleo, the firmware you need is in debian repos, in non-free. Did you add non-free repos? |
| 01:30.35 | Gedoubleo | yes |
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| 01:35.13 | Brigo | Gedoubleo, apt-get install firmware-realtek |
| 01:36.11 | Gedoubleo | ok then what |
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| 01:37.13 | Brigo | Gedoubleo, follow next steps. |
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| 01:38.57 | Gedoubleo | what do i unzip? |
| 01:39.54 | Brigo | Gedoubleo, go on the next point: 3.Connect the device to your system. |
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| 01:40.09 | Brigo | and 4. Configure your wireless interface as appropriate. |
| 01:40.10 | Gedoubleo | ok, then? |
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| 01:50.20 | Gedoubleo | Thank you Brigo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:50.34 | Brigo | Gedoubleo, you are welcome :) |
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| 01:51.19 | Gedoubleo | ghaiiii |
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| 02:00.40 | rawburt | somiaj: I got it, thank you. |
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| 03:00.40 | sheap | I have a package that uses debconf to take in a string to configure a package. This package is being installed through a preseed, and the preseed entry is "d-i sudouser/question1 string" and a variable is passed via command line arguments to the preseed like so: "question1=sudousername". But the preseed install is just ignoring that variable...how would I get that variable into the preseed? |
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| 03:32.39 | hesco | how do I have an interface answer to multiple IPs? |
| 03:33.10 | _FBi | ? |
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| 03:35.34 | heurist | hesco: just add the new ip address to the interface. ip addr add 192.168.1.2/24 dev eth0 |
| 03:36.22 | _FBi | sounded like he was asking the opposite |
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| 03:42.46 | hesco | thanks heurist. This looks like the guidance I was looking for: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Multiple_IP_addresses_on_One_Interface |
| 03:43.28 | _FBi | hesco, are you using IPv6 too? |
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| 03:44.29 | hesco | I really ought to be, I guess. Given the direction things are going we all should be, but no, not yet. have not yet mounted that learning curve. |
| 03:44.31 | heurist | hesco: yes, note the two methods of doing it, try use the iproute method where possible. |
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| 03:45.08 | _FBi | hesco, and if you reboot, some of those might not stay |
| 03:45.28 | _FBi | I just finished a nightmare networking error |
| 03:45.32 | _FBi | with interfaces |
| 03:45.43 | heurist | hesco: the ones added to /etc/network/interfaces should stay. |
| 03:46.11 | hesco | _FBi: if I hard code the configuration into /etc/network/interfaces, why would it not persist across a reboot? |
| 03:46.19 | hesco | oh, ok |
| 03:46.45 | hesco | so you are saying using ip from the cli would be lost across a reboot |
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| 03:47.03 | heurist | hesco: cli will be lost. |
| 03:47.32 | hesco | got it. thanks. Orchestrating a docker installation is tough enough without taking those chances. |
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| 03:50.39 | hesco | looks like I just froze myself out. |
| 03:51.07 | heurist | hesco: errors in /etc/network/interfaces are not fun. |
| 03:51.11 | _FBi | ^^ |
| 03:51.15 | hesco | using the iproute2 method described on the wiki.debian link above. |
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| 03:52.10 | hesco | Shared connection to <my_public_ip> closed. |
| 03:52.50 | _FBi | hesco, using someone else's conf with your numbers in interfaces and reboot |
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| 03:59.51 | DanDare | This looks like a nice topic: http://debian.ch/opw2014/ |
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| 04:06.28 | Akuw | i am trying to connect using ldapsearch -h myserver.sc.com -p 389 -D 'uid=user,dc=myserver,dc=com' -W |
| 04:06.51 | Akuw | but i got ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49) |
| 04:07.36 | hesco | _FBi: the machine is remote, dat acenter a short six hour drive away. |
| 04:08.10 | hesco | Just got off the phone with a team mate who will make the 45 minute rush hour drive in the morning to help me recover from this. |
| 04:08.27 | heurist | hesco: maybe this is a bit late, but don't do that sort of test on a remote machine. |
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| 04:09.41 | hesco | heurist: you think? Yeah, that would have been a good idea I guess, to test this locally first. |
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| 04:10.16 | hesco | I would have thought that wiki.debian could be trusted on something like this. |
| 04:11.30 | hesco | So what is off about this advice? https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#iproute2_method |
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| 04:12.59 | hesco | should those additional stanzas have been aliased as eth0:0, eth0:1 and eth0:2 as in the example above? |
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| 04:13.52 | heurist | hesco: I do not know what is wrong with that, maybe once you find out you can update the wiki. |
| 04:13.54 | hesco | guess I will get to bed far earlier than I have been |
| 04:14.28 | heurist | hesco: no the eth0:0 syntax was to get around limitations in ifconfig, that is one of the reasons that ifconfig is deprecated. |
| 04:14.32 | hesco | in the mean time, I was thinking of updating it to warn others that this recipe is costing me a trip to the data center. |
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| 04:15.56 | heurist | hesco: yeah, it is tempting to add a warning, but maybe you should confirm that you did not do something silly and mess it up in an unrelated way. |
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| 05:47.46 | amiconn | Good morning |
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| 05:49.40 | amiconn | There is a dependency problem related to an upgrade in sid which I don't understand |
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| 05:51.10 | amiconn | Upgrading libjpeg8-dev from 8d1-1 to 8d1-2 wants to uninstall libdirectfb-dev (and in turn libsdl1.2-dev, which I want to keep) |
| 05:51.57 | amiconn | What could be the cause? Which package should I report it against? |
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| 05:54.32 | themill | amiconn: it's not necessarily a bug -- sid is not guaranteed to have a consistent set of packages. Using aptitudes -W and -D can be helpful. |
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| 06:06.25 | amiconn | themill: I know it's not guaranteed, but usually such problems are fixed in 1-2 days |
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| 06:07.13 | amiconn | This one exists for > 1 week now |
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| 06:12.25 | amiconn | ah |
| 06:13.02 | amiconn | From the libjpeg8 changelog: "libjpeg8-dev: do not Provides: libjpeg-dev anymore. closes: #763341" (8d1-2) |
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| 06:17.55 | amiconn | Fixed it by switching to libjpeg62-turbo-dev. |
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| 06:41.44 | sckn | exit |
| 06:41.48 | sckn | \quit |
| 06:41.53 | generatoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:41.59 | sckn | thanks :) |
| 06:42.06 | generatoo | yeah |
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| 06:44.48 | Guest1323 | Whats the command to make a deb out of an existing installed package? |
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| 06:49.09 | Caterpillar | On Debian (7.6) apt-get I can't find that package, why? https://packages.debian.org/sid/icinga2 |
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| 06:53.37 | Extensa5630G | d'oh |
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| 06:54.25 | Guest1323 | Caterpillar: i guess your sources.list is wrong |
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| 06:56.28 | Caterpillar | Guest1323: http://pastebin.com/EYEqP7mq |
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| 06:58.45 | Guest1323 | Caterpillar: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=icinga2 |
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| 06:59.15 | Caterpillar | Guest1323: I know |
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| 06:59.48 | Guest1323 | Caterpillar: unfortunatly its not in wheezy, but there is a backport |
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| 06:59.56 | Caterpillar | ok |
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| 07:01.12 | Iridos | judd, versions icinga2 |
| 07:01.14 | judd | Package: icinga2 on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 2.1.0-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.1.0-3; sid: 2.1.1-1 |
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| 07:02.44 | Iridos | Caterpillar, http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 07:02.52 | Iridos | also/but |
| 07:02.56 | Iridos | dpkg, backports caveat |
| 07:02.57 | dpkg | Remember that in installing backports, you will be using an unusual configuration of packages that has not been tested as thoroughly as Debian stable and that newer packages have both newer features and newer bugs. Ask me about <version chasing>. Also note that you can't rely on backports to be patched quickly if vulnerabilities are discovered. |
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| 07:04.11 | Guest1323 | Whats the command to make a deb out of an existing installed package? |
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| 07:04.26 | Caterpillar | ok |
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| 07:04.59 | Guest1323 | or, is there a workaround for network-manager in sid? |
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| 07:05.28 | Guest1323 | it seems i need the former package of network-manager/sid |
| 07:05.57 | Guest1323 | in Knoppix 7.4 it just works, but i cannot find the package to download... |
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| 07:06.20 | Resilience | how do I send an error report? |
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| 07:06.32 | Guest1323 | its already in bugs.debian.org |
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| 07:06.50 | Guest1323 | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=762740 |
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| 07:07.46 | Resilience | thanks Guest1323 |
| 07:07.53 | Guest1323 | np |
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| 07:08.25 | sheap | how would I do an early_command to insert a line into the preseed file that's being used? |
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| 07:08.27 | Resilience | Guest1323, what no stands for? |
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| 07:08.50 | Guest1323 | np=no problem |
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| 07:09.40 | Resilience | Guest1323, ah okç |
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| 07:10.19 | jelly-home | Guest1323: dpkg-repack |
| 07:10.47 | Iridos | Resilience, use the reportbug tool that is in debian for bug reports |
| 07:10.48 | Guest1323 | Resilience: /msg dpkg bugreport |
| 07:11.06 | Guest1323 | Resilience: sorry, i misunterstood your question, its early here |
| 07:11.16 | Guest1323 | jelly-home: thanks |
| 07:12.15 | Resilience | Iridos, reading yet about bugreport |
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| 07:13.39 | Iridos | Guest1323, there's snapshot.debian.org for pretty much any packages that have been on debian, also there's #debian-next on irc.oftc.net that focuses more on sid/testing than this channel... and also, about potentially installing packages from knoppix into your debian, /msg dpkg frankendebian |
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| 07:14.13 | Guest1323 | Iridos: thanks |
| 07:14.33 | ahop | Hello! Is this correct to delete all files that have LAST ACCESS older than 1 week ? : cd / , rm -rf ? Somebody told me this in a chat |
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| 07:14.55 | ahop | No it's a joke ;) Is this correct : find . -atime +7 -delete ? |
| 07:14.59 | Iridos | also... having bugs is what sid is all about (and testing to a lesser degree)... if your main goal is not to fix bugs, dont use sid.... |
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| 07:16.07 | ahop | What do you think about this "find -atime" command ? |
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| 07:17.17 | Guest1323 | Iridos: unfortunatly that version of network-manager is also in testing... |
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| 07:18.19 | Paypal_Danger | Don't trust Paypal. They can freeze your account and steal your money. http://imagebin.org/321673 |
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| 07:18.59 | Iridos | ahop, just try it out? you can skip the -delete and just see what happens.... |
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| 07:24.01 | Iridos | ahop, I mean... looks ok, but it might still delete files you don't actually want it to |
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| 07:24.48 | sheap | so how do I echo a line into the preseed file from the early_command that it calls? |
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| 07:29.46 | Lady_Aleena | How do I kill all IceWeasel processes? It was minimized, however, the icon to click to get it back up is gone. |
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| 07:30.28 | sheap | Lady_Aleena: killall iceweasel? |
| 07:30.34 | Iridos | Lady_Aleena, if it's still there, you can raise it to the top with "wmctrl -a Iceweasel" |
| 07:30.54 | Iridos | obviously need to install wmctrl for that |
| 07:31.06 | Lady_Aleena | I did htop, selected iceweasel, then pressed F9, but I got a list of commands I do not know. |
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| 07:32.34 | Lady_Aleena | Thanks. |
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| 07:33.19 | Lady_Aleena | It looks like I still need to reboot. |
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| 07:34.35 | Iridos | sheap, there's a #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net that you could try... but I think you also want to rephrase that question to make clearer what you're actually asking |
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| 07:37.22 | Iridos | at least... the one meaning that I can guess your question might have doesn't make much sense |
| 07:37.36 | sheap | Iridos: is there a web client? I can't get to it through irssi / xchat |
| 07:38.33 | sheap | Iridos: well I have command line arguments that I need to get put into the preseed file, so I have an early_command to grab the correct item in /proc/cmdline, and then create a preseed line that will do what I want...butttttt I don't know how/where to put that line in the prseeed file |
| 07:38.43 | Iridos | sheap, as I said... it is on irc.oftc.net, this is freenode.net |
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| 07:39.20 | sheap | Iridos: yea but I'm accessing through webchat.freenode.net since the ports are blocked on xchat/irssi |
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| 07:39.55 | Iridos | sheap, and I don't think you can put preseed lines into the preseed file... well, you could, but as with any (e.g. bash) script I doubt it'd get exectured |
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| 07:41.00 | Iridos | well, you might have looked at www.orgc.net... then... http://www.oftc.net/WebChat/ |
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| 07:41.49 | Iridos | sheap, all of them? I mean... they've 6667-6670, 7000 open |
| 07:41.51 | sheap | Iridos: sweet! thanks! first one doesnt work but yea |
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| 07:42.03 | sheap | Iridos: idk I don't really feel like dealing with that right now |
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| 07:49.43 | Iridos | hm, how can I find out what version of openxenmanager that is in debian? a version string of 0.r80 doesn't seem to match too well with the _rev6 _rev35, _rev42 and _rev48 that are available for download from the original site |
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| 08:05.30 | Abhijit | anyone using debian throught cobbler? |
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| 08:09.54 | wojtas | debian as a sever for cobbler, or debian installed by cobbler? |
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| 08:10.56 | Abhijit | wojtas, debain installed by cobbler. |
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| 08:12.48 | wojtas | i know some body that make deb packeds for cobbler, in few minutes he will join |
| 08:12.56 | wojtas | Abhijit: what problem do you have ? |
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| 08:13.33 | Abhijit | wojtas, which debian iso no use? debian asks me to insert cd into cd rom. drive. why does it need that when doing pxe installation using cobbler? |
| 08:14.16 | wojtas | sed -i '/cdrom/d' /etc/apt/soruce.list |
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| 08:17.03 | wojtas | Abhijit: the problem appears after installion right ? |
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| 08:17.13 | wojtas | when you doing apt-get update ? |
| 08:17.38 | wojtas | or diuring installtion via cobbler? |
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| 08:17.56 | Abhijit | wojtas, not after installation. "while" trying to install. the moment after it pxe boots at ask for cd drive. idealy it should be automatically fetche everything from pxe boot server that is cobbler |
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| 08:20.10 | wojtas | can you show me you pxelinux.cfg/default file ? |
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| 08:21.53 | g44 | hi |
| 08:21.59 | g44 | i just created a backup of my rootfs with tar -cvpf , however the backup is a bit smaller than the rootfs, should i worry? or is that normal? |
| 08:22.08 | justanotheruser | I'm using KDE on debian and my thinkpad trackpad disables when I close and open my screen, however I trackbutton stays active. How do I keep my trackpad from disabling |
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| 08:23.17 | Abhijit | wojtas, let me check |
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| 08:24.26 | wojtas | Abhijit: ok, i will w8 ;) |
| 08:25.10 | Abhijit | wojtas, http://paste.fedoraproject.org/142749/13534283/ |
| 08:26.38 | wojtas | Abhijit: here is not debian LABEL ? |
| 08:26.51 | Abhijit | oh. wrong cobbler. |
| 08:26.52 | Abhijit | wait. |
| 08:26.54 | wojtas | :) |
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| 08:28.10 | Abhijit | wojtas, amm i dont have that file. i dont know why. something wrong here. |
| 08:28.23 | Abhijit | wojtas, let my tre setting up everything agai. |
| 08:29.03 | wojtas | Abhijit: ok |
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| 08:33.09 | D-Boy | I cat /var/log/syslog but nothing if i cat /var/log/syslog.1 I see the logs of today is this a known bug or ? |
| 08:33.22 | D-Boy | (logs generated minutes ago) |
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| 09:15.54 | topi` | it seems there's a lot of criticism against systemd, mainly centering on the point that it is "non-UNIXy" in not following the "KISS" principle |
| 09:16.01 | topi` | and also providing a single point of failure |
| 09:16.05 | mz` | o/ guys |
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| 09:16.39 | mz` | will openssl be upgraded/builded for oldstable ? |
| 09:16.50 | mz` | can find where it is assigned or not |
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| 09:18.04 | guig33k | hi |
| 09:18.20 | Stummi | topi`, well, the linux kernel is monithic too, and this seems to bother not as much as with systemd |
| 09:18.26 | Stummi | *monilithic |
| 09:19.29 | Stummi | while I think, taking unnecessary stuff from the kernel space into the user space (like systemd does with VTs now) is a very good idea |
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| 09:32.59 | NiLon | topi` I'm from future and systemd was invented by machines to create skynetd. It must be stopped before every computer is able to turn into skynet! |
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| 09:35.10 | epsilon | is skynetp a p2p-protocol? Then I'll setup a firewall... |
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| 09:36.19 | NiLon | skynet will control every firewall! |
| 09:36.34 | NiLon | as systemd can control it, don't you see? |
| 09:37.06 | nido | NiLon: and the best way to fight this is in a debian channel after they actually chose to adopt it? Would it not be more prudent to go back a tad further and help lennart to not code it in that way? |
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| 09:37.54 | NiLon | nido plans to terminate lennart is already in place |
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| 09:38.28 | dragon__ | have you seen it? https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg00001.html |
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| 09:40.15 | Guest98565 | Hi all. I have a question regarding output of df /dev/shm. Does it coresponds to any of these values shmmax shmmin shmall? |
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| 09:48.46 | guig33k | hello i m on debian testing and i want play a game on steam but with the open source driver the game is impossible to play so i have try to install ati proprietary driver ... the drive seems to be installed but when i restart my computer x is not starting |
| 09:48.59 | guig33k | i have ati dh 7950 |
| 09:49.04 | guig33k | i have ati hd 7950 |
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| 09:50.28 | da_Ukraine | hello |
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| 09:56.36 | GladiaTeur | hi all, whats the proper way to install another language package in locales ? |
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| 09:57.29 | guig33k | nobody for my graphic card ? |
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| 09:58.00 | Stummi | GladiaTeur, dpkg-reconfigure locale |
| 09:58.23 | Stummi | guig33k, what does your Xorg.log say? |
| 09:58.46 | guig33k | i remember have an error saying something on /dev/fb0 |
| 09:58.50 | GladiaTeur | what does that exactly do Stummi |
| 09:59.21 | GladiaTeur | where can we find the lang packages we can choose from |
| 09:59.25 | Stummi | It reconfigures your locale package, in which you can which locales to be available on your system |
| 09:59.48 | GladiaTeur | ok |
| 09:59.49 | guig33k | Stummi, i reinstall the driver and i past on past been all |
| 09:59.59 | guig33k | Stummi, i reinstall the driver and i past on past bin all |
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| 10:03.41 | guig33k | Stummi, http://pastebin.com/2WY5dXpx <= fglrx-install.log |
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| 10:04.23 | TomyWork | someone on #ubuntu told me aptitude is regressive and shouldnt be used anymore. is that true for ubuntu as well? if so, i really liked having a TUI package manager, what do I use? |
| 10:04.40 | TomyWork | s/true for ubuntu/true for debian/ |
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| 10:13.50 | asaladin | Hi, do you know if it is possible to pin a certain version for a package? and is it possible to pin a major version only? |
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| 10:19.01 | Stummi | TomyWork, never heard about this. What does they say whats the new package manager frontend is? |
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| 10:20.02 | TomyWork | apt-get |
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| 10:20.16 | Penix | TomyWork: they're wrong |
| 10:20.18 | TomyWork | et al |
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| 10:20.32 | Stummi | I think whoever told you this confused this both tools |
| 10:20.34 | TomyWork | Penix they're wrong for ubuntu or for debian? |
| 10:20.58 | Penix | debian: yes. ubuntu: meh. most likely |
| 10:20.58 | Stummi | for debian at least, but I am pretty sure also for ubuntu |
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| 10:21.52 | guig33k | Unloading drm module... |
| 10:21.52 | guig33k | rmmod: ERROR: Module drm is in use by: ttm drm_kms_helper |
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| 10:21.59 | TomyWork | Stummi i'm pretty sure they didnt confuse apt-get and aptitude |
| 10:22.01 | guig33k | Stummi, can you help me for my card |
| 10:22.16 | Penix | TomyWork: they're just generally confused |
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| 10:22.31 | TomyWork | aptitude is also no longer installed by default on ubuntu |
| 10:22.35 | Penix | TomyWork: keep using aptitude if you like it. I wouldn't list to 90% of #ubuntu users |
| 10:22.39 | Stummi | guig33k, no idea, sorry |
| 10:22.42 | Penix | listen rather |
| 10:23.13 | TomyWork | but they were using technical terms |
| 10:23.24 | Penix | oh, then they must be right |
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| 10:26.41 | oty | hey folk. Is there a way to do a search in sid ? Having the deb-src in source.list isn't enough :s |
| 10:26.59 | Penix | a search for what? |
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| 10:27.28 | oty | I need theses : gstreamer-app-1.0 gstreamer-plugins-base-1.0 |
| 10:27.37 | oty | but the names don't seem to be right |
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| 10:27.44 | Penix | apt-cache search |
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| 10:27.48 | oty | yes |
| 10:27.55 | oty | it don't work, it don't look into sid. |
| 10:28.18 | Penix | it search whichever repositories you have enabled |
| 10:28.26 | oty | yes |
| 10:28.31 | oty | only the deb ones, not deb-src |
| 10:28.36 | darsie | Why doesn't aptitude remove automatically installed packages when I purge icedtea-plugin? http://paste.debian.net/127294/ |
| 10:28.46 | Penix | source package names aren't the same as binary package names |
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| 10:30.08 | wireless_ | i'm currently using http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/amd64/bcmwl-kernel-source/download for my wireless, as vanilla debian does not have any packages for this wireless card. this package also does not work on testing. what information would i need to give to ensure it works for testing in the future? lspci gives "Broadcom Corporation BCM43142 802.11b/g/n (rev 01)" |
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| 10:30.20 | oty | Anyway if any of you know what " gstreamer-app-1.0 gstreamer-plugins-base-1.0" means as existing package, I'm grateful >.> |
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| 10:32.40 | technologov | hi all ! |
| 10:32.50 | technologov | I can't connect my new Debian 8 ultrabook into Widi |
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| 10:33.12 | technologov | I have installed network-manager plasma-nm |
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| 10:54.25 | guig33k | i have install the proprietary driver and when i start x by using startx i have this error : |
| 10:55.23 | guig33k | /usr/bin/X: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so: undefined symbol: LoadExtension |
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| 10:57.30 | KTL | guig33k, wild guess: your xorg.conf wants to load that but you did not have nvidia-glx installed. |
| 10:57.32 | adrb | guig33k: it measn, that you use wrong librar |
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| 10:59.33 | somiaj | guig33k: how did you install the proprietary driver? |
| 10:59.47 | guig33k | buy starting the .run |
| 10:59.51 | guig33k | by |
| 11:00.04 | guig33k | i m on debian testing |
| 11:00.18 | guig33k | what i must do ? |
| 11:00.29 | somiaj | guig33k: that is your issue, the nvidia .run files don't work well with debian as dpkg does not know what you did and it could be that you have then put another version of libglx.so down |
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| 11:01.07 | guig33k | ati not nvidia |
| 11:01.17 | KTL | oeps sorry |
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| 11:01.44 | somiaj | !tell guig33k about fglrx |
| 11:02.27 | guig33k | hmmm |
| 11:02.34 | guig33k | so i cannot play my game ? |
| 11:02.54 | guig33k | with the open source driver the game isn t playable |
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| 11:03.41 | guig33k | i cannot use the proprietary ati driver on debian ? |
| 11:03.51 | da_Ukraine | hello again |
| 11:03.59 | da_Ukraine | In install gettex |
| 11:04.03 | da_Ukraine | I* |
| 11:04.13 | da_Ukraine | root@forest:~# msginit -lmsginit -l ru_RU -o anope.ru_RU.po -i anope.pot |
| 11:04.13 | da_Ukraine | msginit: error while loading shared libraries: libgettextsrc-0.19.3.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 11:04.15 | KTL | try to install proprietary drivers that are packaged properly, always try to stick to apt. |
| 11:04.23 | da_Ukraine | have errror |
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| 11:04.47 | da_Ukraine | error* |
| 11:04.50 | guig33k | KTL, i have try last time after install it no X and impossible to have X again |
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| 11:06.10 | KTL | guig33k, i would keep trying with fglrx-modules-dkms fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-glx |
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| 11:08.55 | KTL | guig33k, explicitly deinstalling the stuff created by the .run-file might be a good idea too |
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| 11:12.26 | da_Ukraine | msginit: error while loading shared libraries: libgettextsrc-0.19.3.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 11:12.35 | da_Ukraine | help please) |
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| 11:13.34 | KTL | da_Ukraine, "apt-file search libgettextsrc" shows me your file should be in package "gettext", to check if that is really the case grep for it in the output from "dpkg -L gettext" |
| 11:14.13 | da_Ukraine | root@forest:~# apt-file search libgettextsrc |
| 11:14.13 | da_Ukraine | -bash: apt-file: command not found |
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| 11:14.19 | da_Ukraine | KTL: |
| 11:14.54 | KTL | da_Ukraine, you don't need that apt-file-command yourself, it is just handy to figure out stuff. |
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| 11:16.02 | KTL | da_Ukraine, in any case, make sure the desired file appears in /usr/lib (by installing the right packages), then the linker should find it. |
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| 11:17.07 | da_Ukraine | usr/lib/libgettextsrc-0.18.1.so |
| 11:17.08 | halcon__ | https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg00001.html |
| 11:17.10 | da_Ukraine | ah,, |
| 11:17.14 | da_Ukraine | understand now |
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| 11:17.29 | da_Ukraine | not 0.19 |
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| 11:19.21 | te-the-the-the | hi everyone... how many sids here? |
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| 11:19.37 | KTL | da_Ukraine, strange that this happens, the dependency system from the package manager should have avoided this from happening. |
| 11:19.40 | gijzelaar | question - is it possible to automatically obtain the build dependencies from a source package which is not in the apt (source) repository? apt-get build-dep does not work this case |
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| 11:21.17 | bmomjian | I am on Squeeze LTS but am getting "packages cannot be authenticated" warning from apt-get update. Should I continue? |
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| 11:21.40 | da_Ukraine | hm |
| 11:21.45 | bmomjian | the problem started two days ago |
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| 11:22.22 | sdschulze | bmomjian: You should update debian-archive-keyring. |
| 11:22.44 | bmomjian | oh, ok |
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| 11:23.44 | sdschulze | You have a little bit of a bootstrapping problem, so don't do it when using an untrusted connection. |
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| 11:24.09 | bmomjian | I am on a secure network |
| 11:24.15 | bmomjian | but aptitude install debian-archive-keyring didn't fix it |
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| 11:24.52 | bmomjian | it was trying to update 'apt'; is that the problem? |
| 11:25.13 | deepblue | my usb flash is not detected.how to fix this? |
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| 11:26.29 | sdschulze | bmomjian: Did aptitude display the same warning? |
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| 11:26.34 | bmomjian | let me try |
| 11:26.50 | topi` | I need to deploy squid on a client system - but with a fairly custom squid.conf ... is there a way to provide a "configuration only" .deb that would overwrite the defaults coming from debian's squid.deb ? |
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| 11:27.17 | topi` | most probably I would just see a conflict between the packages - because they have the same file, /etc/squid.conf |
| 11:27.39 | systemclient | I set up apt-cacher-ng. Can I let the computer itself use the cache as a proxy as well? |
| 11:28.10 | bmomjian | not sure on aptitude |
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| 11:28.39 | bmomjian | same error from aptitude |
| 11:28.41 | KTL | deepblue, the moment you connect the stick i would expect dmesg to report about it and it should assign a device to it like "/dev/sdc", once you know that ... you can go inspect that device with for example cfdisk, make partitions and format filesystems. |
| 11:29.18 | Brigo | systemclient, no, apt-cacher-ng is only for debian |
| 11:29.56 | sdschulze | bmomjian: I mean, when updating debian-archive-keyring, you told it to continue despite the warning? |
| 11:30.02 | KTL | deepblue, so open a shell, write out the command "dmesg | tail -n 20", put in the stick, wait a second or 2, execute the command. look at the output. |
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| 11:31.20 | bmomjian | installing the Debian keyring did not give me a warning |
| 11:31.21 | systemclient | Brigo: What I really meant: Can the Debian machine that is running apt-cacher-ng use itself as an apt-proxy? |
| 11:31.24 | bmomjian | only apt-get update does |
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| 11:31.46 | sdschulze | bmomjian: Then do apt-get update and ignore the warning for now. |
| 11:31.55 | Brigo | systemclient, ah, yes but it has no sense |
| 11:32.38 | Brigo | systemclient, apt already save the downloaded files in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 11:32.48 | bmomjian | ok, thanks |
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| 11:33.41 | deepblue | KTL, here, http://paste.debian.net/127305/ |
| 11:33.50 | systemclient | Brigo: but apt-cacher ng creates the cache in /var/cache/apt-cacher-ng/. Doen't that mean it is downloading the packages twice? Once for the server, and once again for all the other Debian machines in the network? |
| 11:34.02 | bmomjian | OK, I now see for apt-get update: W: GPG error: http://http.debian.net squeeze-lts Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 8B48AD6246925553 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
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| 11:34.35 | Brigo | systemclient, yes that is why i said it has no sense. |
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| 11:35.01 | KTL | deepblue, problem. Maybe there is not enough current? Try with or without a usb-hub that has external power... |
| 11:35.34 | Brigo | systemclient, well, not really twice, it downloaded just one time from server (apt-cacher-ng do it) and then apt-get 'download' it from apt-cacher-ng and save it in its own dir. |
| 11:35.40 | deepblue | KTL, no hub used |
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| 11:36.05 | bmomjian | wow, ran it again, now the warning is gone; odd; |
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| 11:36.25 | deepblue | should i try a different usb socket? |
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| 11:36.52 | KTL | deepblue, yes, try that, maybe there is something wrong there |
| 11:37.07 | systemclient | Brigo: but `apt-get` will only download it from apt-cacher-ng if localhost is set up as the apt-proxy, right? If now, it will download it from the internet, right? |
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| 11:37.43 | Brigo | systemclient, right, but then apt-cacher-ng will not download it. |
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| 11:37.58 | KTL | deepblue, and if possible, try a usb-socket at the other side of your case. Because these might be connected with other pins on your motherboard. |
| 11:38.25 | systemclient | Brigo: if I perform the update on the server first, apt-cacher-ng will grab the file from the ânormalâ apt-get cache? |
| 11:38.28 | deepblue | KTL, ok,thanx |
| 11:38.46 | Brigo | systemclient, of course no. :) |
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| 11:39.05 | Brigo | apt-cacher-ng does not know about it. |
| 11:39.07 | systemclient | Brigo: so it would make sense to have the Server use it's own apt-cacher-ng, right? |
| 11:39.31 | Brigo | why? |
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| 11:40.18 | ChrisH | systemclient: if there is a chache it makes sense. If the server is the only client, it make no or less sense. |
| 11:40.41 | systemclient | ChrisH: no, the server is not the only client. I have at least another VM with the same Debian version here |
| 11:41.10 | ChrisH | systemclient: then _I_ would have the server use its own cache, assuming it has more then 1 CPU |
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| 11:41.28 | systemclient | ChrisH: it only has one CPU |
| 11:41.36 | sdschulze | bmomjian: You just shouldn't do it if you're using, say, an unencrypted Wifi connection. |
| 11:41.45 | systemclient | ChrisH: why is that important? |
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| 11:42.09 | rgr | its not. |
| 11:42.29 | rgr | the cpu overhead of providing an apt-cache to one other client is zilch. |
| 11:42.51 | ChrisH | systemclient: cat /proc/cpuinfo shows one cpu or more? |
| 11:43.15 | systemclient | ChrisH: it is a Raspberry Pi, I am pretty confident it only has one. |
| 11:43.30 | topi` | Ö= |
| 11:43.32 | topi` | :) |
| 11:43.48 | ChrisH | rgr: its not the overheade of CPU usage, but the overhead of doing lots of context switches between the cache provider and the cache consumer. Thats inefficient with only one CPU. |
| 11:44.02 | ChrisH | systemclient: given a PI, do not use the local cache |
| 11:44.16 | topi` | the rpi will be very short on memory easily, though... especially now that jessie goes for systemd (it seems to eat several MB of RSS) |
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| 11:45.33 | systemclient | I set up `Acquire::http { Proxy "http://localhost:3142"; };`, for now, however it cannot connect to itself somehow. Is that normal, can I do something against this? |
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| 11:46.39 | bmomjian | sdschulze: ah, OK, good to know; I am on my home network, and waited for a few days of failure before fixing, thanks |
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| 11:46.52 | deepblue | KTL, it worked,thanx a lot , http://paste.debian.net/127309/ |
| 11:47.13 | systemclient | I cannot even `ping localhost` for some reason ... what is going on? |
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| 11:48.21 | systemclient | oh, I got no `lo` interface. Broke it by using networkmanager ... |
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| 11:48.33 | cisco987 | do you have 127.0.0.1 localhost in /etc/hosts? |
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| 11:48.57 | KTL | deepblue, jeej! |
| 11:49.05 | sdschulze | bmomjian: After installing debian-archive-keyring, die warning should have disappeared. |
| 11:49.34 | topi` | systemclient: avoid NetworkManager at all costs :) |
| 11:49.52 | topi` | it's a plague, and if you don't have a real Desktop use case for it, juts ditch it |
| 11:50.16 | systemclient | topi`: I had a real use for it, configuring an UMTS USB Stick in half an hour |
| 11:50.25 | systemclient | I'll just ditch it again, if I can do that :-) |
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| 11:51.08 | topi` | systemclient: use wvdial for getting your UTMS stick to conncet |
| 11:51.41 | KTL | is quite happy with the latest kde-network-manager-systray-thingie do ... :) |
| 11:51.44 | systemclient | topi`: I do not need that UMTS Stick any more, now I just need plain DHCP over Ethernet |
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| 11:51.44 | oty | arrrrrgh. I'm stuck on a step to compile. Any clue on what package to install ? (configure:21193: checking for gstreamer-1.0 >= 1.0 |
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| 11:51.46 | oty | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.46 | oty | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.46 | oty | configure: error: gstreamer and gstreamer-plugins-base development packages are needed to build gstreamer backend. ) |
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| 11:52.08 | oty | woopsi. |
| 11:52.11 | KTL | hehe |
| 11:52.22 | oty | my bad. |
| 11:52.25 | oty | >.> |
| 11:52.33 | systemclient | KTL: I think that is why topi` said to only use it on the desktop |
| 11:52.44 | topi` | systemclient: good, ditch NetworkManager, and just issue "sudo dhclient eth0" |
| 11:52.46 | KTL | ok:) |
| 11:53.07 | systemclient | topi`: I changed some stuff in /etc/network/ though, and I am not really sure what exactly I did :-/ |
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| 11:53.38 | KTL | the file "interfaces" probably |
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| 11:54.09 | systemclient | KTL: yes, it is empty now. I added `auto lo` und `iface lo inet loopback` to it again, since my Ubuntu box has that as well |
| 11:54.58 | KTL | i would expect those to be in use, after a /etc/init.d/networking restart. I would expect that dhclient would be run automatically for you because of that config. |
| 11:55.09 | topi` | systemclient: the "interfaces" definition file is only looked up when /etc/init.d/networking script is run |
| 11:55.29 | KTL | and i would expect trouble with redundant dhclient-processes if you started dhclient yourself |
| 11:55.31 | systemclient | topi`: okay, I purged network-manager. Still no `lo` interface |
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| 11:55.33 | topi` | KTL: indeed dhclient is run at that time, but I also suggested you can manually invoke dhclient just the same |
| 11:55.48 | topi` | systemclient: sudo ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 up |
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| 11:56.45 | systemclient | topi`: thanks! In the grand scheme of things, if `ifconfig`, `ifup` and so on still current, or rather something legacy? How does network-manager relate to all this? |
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| 11:58.00 | topi` | systemclient: the debian networking scripts will invoke "ifconfig" in the bottom of it |
| 11:58.04 | topi` | so, no, it's not legacy |
| 11:58.28 | topi` | networkmanager is just GNOME's attempt of taking over the responsibility of stuff like networking scripts |
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| 11:58.37 | topi` | so it basically overrules anything you try to do youself |
| 11:58.43 | systemclient | topi`: so it replaces `ifconfig`? |
| 11:58.44 | KTL | i believe that the stuff from /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/init.d/networking conflict with network-manager if you give them control over the same interfaces. At the bottom all use ifconfig. The network-manager tries to be ... smarth-ish ... and often fails there :) |
| 11:59.06 | topi` | I don't think NetworkManager replaces "ifconfig", but it might be.. it's just suitable IOCTL's to the network sockets |
| 11:59.39 | systemclient | I see. NetworkManager seems very handy for stuff like multiple WLAN APs and so on. I will continue with ifconfig on the server, then |
| 11:59.53 | topi` | KTL: I think NetworkManager is only useful at Desktop use cases |
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| 12:00.05 | topi` | with wired ethernet, don't use it |
| 12:00.21 | KTL | yes |
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| 12:00.29 | topi` | AFAIK it's a pain in the ass to try to control NetworkManager via a command line (in headless systems) |
| 12:00.32 | systemclient | And now that I have a loopback interface, MusQL actually starts up again ... thank you |
| 12:00.33 | topi` | most of my systems are headless. |
| 12:00.47 | systemclient | topi`: yes, the `nmcli` syntax is a little weird |
| 12:00.55 | topi` | systemclient: half of Debian would break if localhost interface is unavailable |
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| 12:01.12 | topi` | systemclient: it's not just weird, I've never *managed to get it to work* |
| 12:01.18 | KTL | lol |
| 12:01.19 | topi` | and yes I've tried many times |
| 12:01.29 | systemclient | topi`: I now have some first-hand experience on that :-) |
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| 12:01.44 | topi` | the "nmcli" seems an afterthought. |
| 12:02.04 | systemclient | topi`: actually, I got network manager working via the command line to share the UMTS stick's internet with my network. I created the profiles with the KDE GUI on Ubuntu though and just copied them |
| 12:02.09 | KTL | topi`, maybe, in kde, it also did not work for me when my kdm/x-session was started from terminal. If it was started properly from boot everything works properly. |
| 12:02.26 | topi` | KTL: interesting... |
| 12:02.38 | topi` | anyhow, I'm writing my own replacement for Networkmanager |
| 12:02.47 | KTL | oh fun fun fun |
| 12:02.50 | topi` | it'll be written in python, so it's pretty easy to totally change the behaviour |
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| 12:03.34 | te-the-the-the | has anyone experienced problems with apt version 1.0.9.1 ? |
| 12:03.36 | KTL | if you know what the code is supposed to do :D (i don't really like the dynamic typing from python) |
| 12:04.01 | topi` | oh, even bash scripts (that the current debian networking is written in) is dynamic typing |
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| 12:04.23 | te-the-the-the | when i run "apt-get update", it gives errors, and this is the first line: |
| 12:04.24 | topi` | except that bash is really, really cumbersome to write real programs in |
| 12:04.25 | te-the-the-the | /usr/lib/apt/methods/http: undefined symbol: _Z15AutoDetectProxyR3URI |
| 12:04.25 | KTL | (but in bash you don't start the foolishness of writing large programs :D ) |
| 12:04.27 | te-the-the-the | i filed a bug report: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=763336 |
| 12:04.48 | topi` | KTL: a valid point :) |
| 12:05.17 | topi` | KTL: however, over the years, the debian scripts have taken on a lot of weight... |
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| 12:08.36 | te-the-the-the | anyone? |
| 12:08.42 | te-the-the-the | apt-get update gives |
| 12:08.44 | te-the-the-the | /usr/lib/apt/methods/http: undefined symbol: _Z15AutoDetectProxyR3URI |
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| 12:09.06 | te-the-the-the | but version 0.9.7.9 works fine |
| 12:10.20 | abrotman | te-the-the-the: which version of Linux are you running? |
| 12:10.33 | te-the-the-the | debian sid kern 3.17-rc2 |
| 12:10.47 | abrotman | Sid doesn't have apt 1.0.9.1? |
| 12:11.00 | te-the-the-the | apt 1.0.9.1 is what produces the error |
| 12:11.00 | apt | te-the-the-the: okay |
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| 12:11.10 | abrotman | te-the-the-the: Nor does sid have that kernel |
| 12:11.15 | abrotman | apt: forget 1.0.9.1 |
| 12:11.16 | apt | i forgot 1.0.9.1, abrotman |
| 12:12.13 | te-the-the-the | uhm? |
| 12:12.37 | KTL | te-the-the-the, my apt-cache policy says there is a apt 1.0.9.3 out there too, maybe try to upgrade to that one ? |
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| 12:14.44 | te-the-the-the | KTL, hmm... looks there is a 1.0.9.3 indeed. i will try that one. |
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| 12:17.55 | cloudowind | good night |
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| 12:22.36 | te-the-the-the | KTL, i still have the same error after apt 1.0.9.3 |
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| 12:24.25 | systemclient | te-the-the-the: KTL: Well, I have seen a 20 year old shell script that originated from Solaris and is way over 1ksloc. It is horrible. I would really appreciate if all those helper scripts moved to Python eventually. |
| 12:24.39 | systemclient | topi`: Wouln't it make more sense to look into an existing solution, maybe wickd or so? |
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| 12:27.27 | KTL | te-the-the-the, i am no debian-developper, \0/, i would downgrade to something that worked |
| 12:28.08 | te-the-the-the | KTL, yes that is how i have been working it. but how come no one else has seen this yet? hmm... thanks any way. |
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| 12:28.14 | themill | te-the-the-the: you can't only upgrade the "apt" package |
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| 12:28.46 | te-the-the-the | themill: this happened after an "apt-get upgrade" |
| 12:29.01 | te-the-the-the | and i don't think i have any rogue repos either |
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| 12:29.23 | cloudowind | hello |
| 12:30.08 | KTL | cloudowind, just ask |
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| 12:40.38 | topi` | systemclient: we're trying to do something really funky (centralized configuration from a master server) so I need to write my own tools, including a replacement NetworkManager |
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| 12:41.19 | topi` | systemclient: since we only support a very limited subset of possible ways of configuring IP and firewalls, I think it's very doable |
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| 12:42.02 | topi` | darn, I can't make my own .deb package... |
| 12:42.05 | topi` | gpg: /tmp/debsign.aiwQAfIE/myproxy_0.1.dsc: clearsign failed: secret key not available |
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| 12:42.42 | topi` | so do I need to acquire my own GPG key, or can I just make up a key like with ssh-keygen? |
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| 12:49.22 | petn-randall | topi`: Writing your own version of network-manager looks like a lot of wasted effort to me. What do you want to achieve that ifup/ifdown or network-manager can't do? |
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| 12:49.40 | cloudowind | KTL: ask what? |
| 12:49.48 | cloudowind | didnt wanna ask anything: |
| 12:49.53 | cloudowind | )just said hello:) |
| 12:49.57 | KTL | cloudowind, jeej :) |
| 12:50.22 | topi` | petn-randall: exact control over whats happening, also network conf is stateful, so we want to know in which exact state each interface is |
| 12:50.52 | topi` | ifup/ifdown would be good enough, but they do not track state |
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| 12:51.29 | topi` | let's say there's an USB reset and that brings down the ppp0 interface, we want to get notified of it |
| 12:51.53 | topi` | I think this is what NetworkManager does, actually |
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| 12:52.30 | topi` | how do I set my email address so that debuild will find my GPG generated key? |
| 12:52.46 | topi` | gpg: skipped "topi <topi@desktop.my.net>": secret key not available |
| 12:52.58 | topi` | and wtf is this "my.net" anyways? |
| 12:53.15 | topi` | I did skip configuring the domain when I installed wheezy... |
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| 12:53.44 | topi` | ah! it comes from debian/changelog |
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| 12:54.08 | KTL | topi`, does this centralized configuration involve pushing config with dhcp? |
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| 12:55.14 | topi` | dhcp is a legacy protocol, I want to overrule it as well :) |
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| 12:56.31 | KTL | topi`, technical debt explosion imminent, evacuate the area, evacuate, evacuate |
| 12:56.37 | topi` | OK, now I have a selfsigned .deb package... how can I install it onto a system that has no access to my pubkey? |
| 12:57.26 | oznt | hi guys, I am having a problem exporting my repository with reprepro. It says it can't find a key XXXXX |
| 12:58.20 | oznt | I have signed my packages successfully with my own key, so I don't get where this error comes from. Googled around without success, setting GNUPGHOME does not help |
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| 12:58.47 | topi` | oznt: I'm also in process of setting up my custom repository (for building whole images w/ custom packages) ... do you recommend reprepro? I thought of just using debian-installer |
| 12:59.06 | topi` | oznt: key management is a constant nuisance |
| 12:59.28 | oznt | topi`: I just started using reprepro (besides it's annoying name, I can't say much...) |
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| 12:59.54 | topi` | oznt: did you consider other options_ |
| 12:59.59 | topi` | for managing custom repositorie |
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| 13:00.23 | oznt | topi`: no, I didn't, do you have a recommendation to a tool that works? |
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| 13:01.02 | osfe | I try to install dokuwiki on my computer and I get the following error when I try to access my wiki */ header("Location: doku.php"); |
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| 13:01.05 | topi` | oznt: I haven't set up repositories before, so I have no idea. However, googling around seems to show there's plenty of different tools / options for setting up custom repositories and managing them |
| 13:01.30 | oznt | top result was reprepro |
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| 13:01.53 | topi` | oznt: I have a vague recollection that reprepro is in kind of hiatus now |
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| 13:02.09 | blackswan | how do you build a package with dpkg-buildpackage and make it not strip debugging symbols from the binaries? |
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| 13:03.30 | topi` | oznt: I was considering using dput + mini-dinstall |
| 13:03.38 | oznt | topi`: being able to read german, I found out that some guy managed to workaround this error, by removing the passphrase from the key |
| 13:04.11 | topi` | but these tools are probably 5 years old, as well |
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| 13:04.41 | topi` | blackswan: check the options for dpkgbuidpackage |
| 13:05.14 | blackswan | ok. if you're right, apologies for the stupid question. |
| 13:05.27 | topi` | I have no idea - I vaguely remember having used that option |
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| 13:06.18 | topi` | my problem right now is how to use a "standard" debian package but provide a different configuration for it in a secondary .deb? |
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| 13:06.39 | topi` | because of that 2nd .deb overwrites /etc/squid.conf, the two packages conflict (naturally) |
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| 13:06.53 | topi` | there MUST be some sane way around this problem! |
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| 13:12.22 | tikun | so i'm tinkering with debian, working on learning on setting up a redundant server setup for a web host, and i'm wondering how I would go about setting up the primary/master node and secondary node to sync files but I don't know how I would do this any tips on where to begin? |
| 13:12.32 | petn-randall | topi`: Of course ifup tracks state. http://paste.debian.net/127323/ |
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| 13:14.19 | topi` | ugh, "ifup" seems to be written in C... |
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| 13:15.19 | petn-randall | topi`: Monitoring and configuration management are not jobs of a network manager, though. For monitoring nagios/icinga are more appropriate, and configuration management is best handled by puppet/chef/ansible. |
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| 13:15.47 | topi` | all of these are fairly complex tools. |
| 13:15.54 | oznt | topi`: found the problem. I had a configuration file pointing to wrong key. |
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| 13:16.17 | topi` | oznt: too many configuration files around :) it gets difficult to keep everything inside one's head |
| 13:16.32 | topi` | oznt: did you have a look at mini-dinstall? |
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| 13:17.51 | oznt | topi`: https://github.com/bessarabov/mini-dinstall ? |
| 13:18.06 | oznt | topi`: since it's written in python it already looks very interesting |
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| 13:20.44 | KTL | topi`, are you going to have "user disconnects and reconnects the network-connector many times in quick succession" ? or "configuration depends on physical location of device" ? or "master might be unavailable at startup but slave should function correctly?" |
| 13:20.46 | petn-randall | topi`: There's a reason they're complex. Doing it right is hard. |
| 13:21.58 | KTL | thinks about running while yelling :) |
| 13:23.23 | KTL | *use cases |
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| 13:26.44 | topi` | oznt: I agree, I think the possibility of customization at source-level is a nice advantage |
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| 13:28.26 | systemclient | topi`: Have you looked into configuration management like Puppet, Chef, Ansible or Salt yet? |
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| 13:43.00 | topi` | how does debian/config files work? it seems to include /usr/share/debconf/confmodule |
| 13:43.34 | topi` | I guess it's some kind of "post-install" script |
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| 13:50.34 | topi` | where's the documentation kept when unpacking a source archive? I'm looking at squid's src, but the stuff that goes to /usr/share is nowhere to be found |
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| 14:01.21 | kalib | Hello guys. Is there a way to set my interface to receive an IP address via DHCP (already working) but not changing my DNS addresses? (that´s my doubt) |
| 14:01.29 | topi` | is it possible to make debuild use more than 1 processor? |
| 14:01.38 | kalib | a way to keep my resolv.conf locked, for example.. |
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| 14:10.55 | petn-randall | kalib: Sure. Are you using network-manager or ifup? |
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| 14:11.38 | t_dot_zilla | hi |
| 14:12.02 | t_dot_zilla | i'm using start-stop-daemon to control a process.... how do you send same signal as CTRL + C to process to stop? |
| 14:14.19 | wabuh | t_dot_zilla: ctrl-c associated signel is SIGINT |
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| 14:14.27 | t_dot_zilla | okay so --signal=SIGINT |
| 14:15.05 | t_dot_zilla | thanks |
| 14:15.29 | wabuh | don't know the exact syntax, but yeah something like that :-) |
| 14:16.40 | kalib | petn-randall, no |
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| 14:17.58 | petn-randall | kalib: Then probably not. Are you using plain 'dhclient'? |
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| 14:19.49 | kalib | petn-randall, just found this.. https://raam.org/2009/configuring-static-dns-with-dhcp-on-debianubuntu/ |
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| 14:20.39 | jhutchins | !resolv.conf |
| 14:20.39 | dpkg | /etc/resolv.conf is a resolver configuration file that contains your nameserver IPs. It is written by your DHCP client. To use different nameservers than those provided by DHCP, ask me about <override dns>. See also <fixresolvconf>. |
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| 14:21.30 | kalib | !override dns |
| 14:21.31 | dpkg | To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer. |
| 14:21.34 | jhutchins | kalib: There is a process you need to configure. resolv.conf is no longer a static file, you set permanent DNS servers elsewhere. |
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| 14:22.17 | kalib | jhutchins, a process? |
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| 14:22.40 | thims | Would this be a bug in "bc" or am I missing some logic in my syntax/understanding of bc? http://pastebin.com/WMZY2Fzn |
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| 14:24.05 | fffun | why I can't join #debian-next here? |
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| 14:24.45 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 14:24.45 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
| 14:25.02 | petn-randall | fffun: ^^^^ you're currently on freenode, not OFTC. |
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| 14:25.42 | fffun | petn-randall, I see, thought it was linked |
| 14:26.49 | frostschutz | thims, bc is just strange |
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| 14:27.55 | fffun | how to install Adobe Flash for just one user instead globally in the system, maybe as chromium plus plugin? |
| 14:28.00 | thims | frostschutz: Strange as in inaccurate to use, or obscure syntax and "head patting while jumping..."? |
| 14:28.50 | thims | frostschutz: Also, do you have a good alternative for floating point precision on the CLI? Most importantly bash native? |
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| 14:31.43 | frostschutz | thims, http://superuser.com/questions/31445/gnu-bc-modulo-with-scale-other-than-0 |
| 14:32.01 | peterrooney | thims: exhale. awk, dc, bc... |
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| 14:37.43 | systemclient | why don't you use a real programming language instead of bash? |
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| 14:41.51 | fffun | how to easily create image, for VM, with copy of my current debian |
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| 14:43.24 | BrianR | Has anyone succeeded in making gnome not lock the screen on hibernate? I have encrypted root/swap, and so resuming from hibernate requires entering my unlock passphrase - there's no reason for me to then have to enter the screensaver password too. |
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| 14:43.42 | Gregor3000 | following this guide i installed postgresql: https://wiki.debian.org/PostgreSql but when typing psql i get this message ect to server: No such file or directory Is the server running locally and accepting connections on Unix domain socket "/var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432"? |
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| 14:45.25 | centrx | Gregor3000, apt-get install postgresql |
| 14:45.44 | Gregor3000 | yes, and the client |
| 14:46.25 | Gregor3000 | and then psql and i get that |
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| 14:47.20 | centrx | Gregor3000, It's possible by default it is installed to not start on boot/on installation |
| 14:47.27 | centrx | Gregor3000, What happens if you do /etc/init.d/postgresql start |
| 14:47.37 | centrx | or restart |
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| 14:48.31 | Gregor3000 | same thing. should i reboot the server? |
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| 14:49.23 | centrx | Gregor3000, that shouldn't do anything but it won't hurt anything either |
| 14:50.18 | tsam | Gregor3000: you should strace -e trace=open psql and se what's the missing file. |
| 14:50.31 | centrx | Gregor3000, What OS and version are you using? |
| 14:50.40 | thims | frostschutz: Thanks. |
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| 14:51.03 | thims | peterrooney: Thanks. I wasn't aware awk was a capable arithmetic function. I may look into it. |
| 14:51.42 | Gregor3000 | centrx: 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.60-1+deb7u3 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 14:51.46 | Gregor3000 | wheezy |
| 14:52.01 | Gregor3000 | or whatever is latest stable |
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| 14:52.16 | centrx | Gregor3000, when you are running psql, you are doing so as the "postgres" after using su ? |
| 14:52.24 | centrx | postgres user |
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| 14:52.40 | petn-randall | Gregor3000: What is the output of 'pg_lsclusters' and 'apt-cache policy postgresql'? |
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| 14:53.48 | Gregor3000 | 'pg_lsclusters is empty |
| 14:54.02 | petn-randall | Gregor3000: Use http://paste.debian.net for the other output. |
| 14:54.12 | maloik | Is there a security channel for debian specifically? |
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| 14:55.15 | Gregor3000 | ok so i already used the ubuntu pastebin.: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8579533/ |
| 14:55.26 | petn-randall | maloik: #debian-security on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 14:55.54 | Gregor3000 | centrx: i am running psql in terminal |
| 14:56.14 | flan3002 | Does Debian come with support for dual-graphics by default? (say... the DVD image) |
| 14:56.34 | petn-randall | flan3002: Depends on what you mean with dual graphics. |
| 14:56.37 | Gregor3000 | typing su - prostgres it asks for password not sure which one but none of them work |
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| 14:56.47 | Gregor3000 | oh i am ssh with a user using sudo. |
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| 14:57.09 | Gregor3000 | kind of locked down the root. |
| 14:57.32 | flan3002 | petn-randall: In my case, a laptop with an NVidia and an Intel graphics card. |
| 14:57.48 | centrx | Gregor3000, Try the guide in /usr/share/doc/postgresql-common/README.Debian.gz instead of the wiki |
| 14:58.06 | centrx | Gregor3000, zless /usr/share/doc/postgresql-common/README.Debian.gz |
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| 14:59.30 | fffun | how to start in kvm an iso and a hard drive and boot from the iso in debian jessie? |
| 15:00.44 | maloik | thank you petn-randall |
| 15:00.57 | maloik | I've emailed the team just now actually, think that'll be better than asking on irc |
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| 15:06.53 | txomon|fon | I would like to know what's the problem with the GR about systemd... Don't all distros need to decide some stuff? |
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| 15:07.10 | txomon|fon | for example, using one init system or another |
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| 15:08.14 | Stummi | yeah, but doing this decission a few weeks before an freeze is a bad idea |
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| 15:08.42 | fffun | in debian testing, is there chromium WITH the pepper adobe flash plugin for it? |
| 15:10.02 | unclezipper | fffun: I don't think you'll find pepper flash in any debian repos |
| 15:10.22 | unclezipper | nonfree, maybe |
| 15:10.45 | fffun | unclezipper, can't find it in jessie... I see it in wheezy backports |
| 15:11.25 | Gregor3000 | cetrx: i got into databse root with sudo -u postgres sh , then i try to create the user "createuser -DRS joe" and get the same message: could not connect to database postgres: could not connect to server: No such file or directory Is the server running locally and accepting connections on Unix domain socket "/var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432". |
| 15:11.41 | rgr | pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
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| 15:12.18 | fffun | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.28 | flan3002 | So... anyone using Debian on a laptop with NVidia Optimus? |
| 15:13.05 | rgr | not in my jessie set up no. |
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| 15:13.40 | rgr | its in sid. I daresay you could drag it in. |
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| 15:14.07 | centrx | txomon|fon, It is about packages coupling with systemd, requiring it, thus limiting init options when there are supposed to be multiple viable init options |
| 15:14.11 | rgr | or use a ppa : http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/install-pepper-flash-player-for.html |
| 15:14.28 | unclezipper | flan3002: I've set up a laptop for a client with Optimus |
| 15:14.44 | flan3002 | unclezipper: Can you use both cards selectively? |
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| 15:14.53 | flan3002 | unclezipper: Or did you manage do disable one? |
| 15:15.23 | txomon|fon | fffun, I got pissed off that |
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| 15:16.23 | txomon|fon | I have complained about the flash breakage a lot, but it was the only thing possible in theory |
| 15:16.23 | unclezipper | flan3002: If you installed bumblebee correctly, all you should have to do to get a program to use the nVidia GPU is prefix the name of the program with "optirun" |
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| 15:16.56 | fffun | txomon|fon, hm? |
| 15:17.05 | txomon|fon | talking about pepper flash etc. |
| 15:17.13 | flan3002 | unclezipper: Well, currently when I try to do that (primusrun though), X crashes and I'm dropped to an unresponsive tty. I obviously did not set it up correctly. :/ |
| 15:17.18 | txomon|fon | fffun, I also had to patch the flashplugin version parser |
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| 15:17.23 | txomon|fon | but isn't neither working for me |
| 15:17.42 | fffun | txomon|fon, did you at all got flash on testing then |
| 15:17.44 | unclezipper | Hm. How did you install the nVidia drivers |
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| 15:18.04 | vanila | Hi debian! |
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| 15:18.12 | vanila | Where to discuss the init system vote? |
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| 15:18.25 | txomon|fon | centrx, but, why the hell would it be a requirement? In any case you would create package with sysvinit files and another with systemd ones, wouldn't you? |
| 15:18.42 | wsky | vanila: vote? :D |
| 15:18.51 | vanila | http://lwn.net/Articles/616571/ |
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| 15:20.13 | txomon|fon | fffun, I am now using arch for my laptops, I need stuff that will get fixed faster if it breaks, I had to fallback once to Windows in an emergency, and I decided I couldn't continue with that. So debian desktop is no longer my use case, I still have some computers running debian, and will be switching to arch ASAP |
| 15:20.24 | unclezipper | flan3002: How did you install the nvidia drivers? |
| 15:20.55 | Citillara | Hello everybody, got a debian wheezy here and i'm not able to patch CVE-2014-6277, patch not released ? |
| 15:21.15 | fffun | txomon|fon, I can relate |
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| 15:21.51 | txomon|fon | fffun, and the worst part is not flash, at least you can have it OK running chrome, the worst part is about java |
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| 15:22.43 | txomon|fon | some shitty apps still use Java in the webpages (such as cisco's webex) and that makes me unable to work properly |
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| 15:23.19 | unclezipper | I don't use sites that require browser plugins |
| 15:23.40 | txomon|fon | unclezipper, yeah, for personal use is alright, but if you are told to work, you do |
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| 15:24.20 | txomon|fon | you might try at the beggining with workarounds, but you can't be maintaining your system more than you work with them (except if you are a sysadm xD) |
| 15:24.38 | fffun | txomon|fon, nice that you sticked around though |
| 15:24.44 | fffun | txomon|fon, I will try maybe opera as the solution |
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| 15:25.22 | txomon|fon | fffun, I am not leaving debian, I love the stability it has for the rest of things, but DE are not it's key point |
| 15:25.56 | unclezipper | txomon|fon, I suppose. If I had to, I would use Linux Mint for that use case |
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| 15:26.47 | txomon|fon | I am in the R&D section, and if you are running debian wheezy, you won't be able to test properly stuff that just came out, because for example, kernel won't support it, and you need to go for backports etc. |
| 15:27.14 | fffun | txomon|fon, I have same feelings |
| 15:27.27 | txomon|fon | unclezipper, I don't like Ubuntu, I switched from Ubuntu to Debian for their update policy, I had to format my computer every 6 months |
| 15:27.31 | fffun | maybe more users could get together and manage a rolling release.. like debian stable, but not so fucking old. and more polished |
| 15:27.46 | txomon|fon | fffun, that's arch |
| 15:27.47 | fffun | users could each pay a bit and we could sponsor people to work on that |
| 15:28.06 | fffun | no one likes to fix this kind of shit for free it seems |
| 15:28.30 | txomon|fon | fffun, the problem is not fixing. The fixes are almost always upstream. The problem is maintaining your version |
| 15:29.15 | fffun | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.18 | fffun | or fork UP |
| 15:29.23 | fffun | most applications are shit |
| 15:29.28 | txomon|fon | fffun, that's a nonsense |
| 15:29.35 | txomon|fon | you can't do that |
| 15:29.43 | txomon|fon | if you could do that, you wouldn't need that |
| 15:29.49 | fffun | can't do? |
| 15:30.02 | txomon|fon | can't because there is not manpower |
| 15:30.10 | txomon|fon | well, you can go RHEL =) |
| 15:30.15 | fffun | correct. that's why I said about paying |
| 15:30.25 | fffun | of course licence still should be free, unlike RHEL |
| 15:30.42 | txomon|fon | fffun, so donations? |
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| 15:33.56 | txomon|fon | IMO, I think arch solves (for me atm) the desktop environment, but I don't have a solution for servers... How you maintain a server stable with updates without maintaining it? |
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| 15:34.11 | txomon|fon | I can't find an answer to that |
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| 15:34.58 | fffun | txomon|fon, like kick starter or humblebundle |
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| 15:35.25 | txomon|fon | the solution may come in the future with LXC/Docker, packaging everything independently from eachother, but there must be a base system |
| 15:35.52 | txomon|fon | maybe the solution is something like CoreOS, where you just have one base, tiny, easy to maintain, and then everything is over it |
| 15:36.10 | txomon|fon | fffun, that's to have funding, but that doesn't give any funding stability |
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| 15:37.08 | fffun | txomon|fon, I would pay 50$ per month to have cross more polished, faster awesome distro |
| 15:37.13 | ctmjr | This has nothing to do with Debian support, there is #debian-offtopic |
| 15:37.24 | fffun | 10$ no problem, 50$ likely |
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| 15:39.08 | txomon|fon | ctmjr, sorry, fffun was waiting for an answer and we started to talk |
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| 15:40.59 | txomon|fon | fffun, we may continue there if you wish to |
| 15:41.06 | fffun | txomon|fon, I'm trying the opera now (locally installed). it seems to sort of work, but overall seems to be very not optimized |
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| 15:41.25 | txomon|fon | fffun, you can also try the default one |
| 15:41.30 | txomon|fon | using gnome, aren't you? |
| 15:41.38 | txomon|fon | iceweasel |
| 15:41.44 | rgr | fffun: what do you mean "not very optimized"? |
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| 15:42.53 | fffun | rgr, it lags a lot on youtube.com for example. |
| 15:43.35 | rgr | thats not opera. thats your plugin or your conenction. |
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| 15:44.14 | rgr | not that I would support opera anyway. recently FF has proven to be head and shoulders the best browser for me. |
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| 15:44.29 | rgr | Its come on a lot recently and the decent sync with the mobile client is great. |
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| 15:46.52 | crush26 | is there a benefit to using screen and Xforwarding in oppose to using Teamviewer to manage multiple remote computers? |
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| 15:47.42 | txomon|fon | crush26, I would use tmux |
| 15:47.46 | txomon|fon | is better maintained |
| 15:47.53 | txomon|fon | and use VNC, not X forwarding |
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| 15:48.38 | txomon|fon | crush26, have you seen projects that are about hosting VMs? Openstack for example does use VNC |
| 15:48.53 | crush26 | txomon|fon: never heard of tmux. Why not use X forwarding over SSH? |
| 15:49.27 | crush26 | txomon|fon: i will look into tmux and no I have not seen those projects |
| 15:49.31 | txomon|fon | crush26, that would redirect whichever application you launch in the ssh command line, and it's slow, because usually, apps are not optimized to that |
| 15:49.44 | txomon|fon | crush26, if you use vnc you don't need tmux |
| 15:50.13 | txomon|fon | your solution was screen + Xfw < tmux + Xfw < VNC |
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| 15:50.35 | txomon|fon | if you want to manage a computer, VNC will be like your teamviewer |
| 15:50.43 | txomon|fon | it present's you a screen etc. |
| 15:51.14 | crush26 | txomon|fon: in my case I just need a more proficient way for my team to monitor long running broadcast shell scripts. At most the only app they use is gnome terminal. I want to get away from using TV. |
| 15:51.17 | txomon|fon | it will just deliver you "video", which is better than delivering internal X protocol |
| 15:53.23 | txomon|fon | crush26, explain yourself a little more |
| 15:53.51 | txomon|fon | I don't understand that "the app is in gnome-terminal" |
| 15:54.21 | txomon|fon | app's output is terminal output or graphical? |
| 15:54.58 | crush26 | txomon|fon: sorry, let me explain... |
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| 15:57.02 | crush26 | txomon|fon: the app, for lack of better words, is gnome-terminal. The broadcast script that we are running only outputs text to the gnome-terminal screen, which my team needs to monitor to make sure the output is correct. I am probably using the term "app" incorrectly. |
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| 15:58.35 | crush26 | txomon|fon: since my team is only monitoring text output on the screen, would X over SSH not be suitable? |
| 15:58.39 | txomon|fon | crush26, you know the difference between gnome-terminal and a shell ? |
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| 15:59.21 | txomon|fon | it's a big difference in this case, I don't know which uses does have gnome-terminal appart from wrapping a shell, just in case |
| 15:59.36 | crush26 | txomon|fon: im pretty sure I do |
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| 16:00.10 | txomon|fon | if your output is text output, and it can be redirected to a file, or syslogd etc. you can use a cactis or anything like that |
| 16:00.23 | txomon|fon | for example logstash |
| 16:00.40 | crush26 | txomon|fon: I cannot redirect the output to a log file |
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| 16:00.51 | txomon|fon | is it using curses? |
| 16:01.07 | txomon|fon | well, anyway |
| 16:01.15 | txomon|fon | if you want to monitor an application in the host |
| 16:01.30 | txomon|fon | the best you can do, is to launch a tmux (or screen if you want) |
| 16:01.33 | txomon|fon | and attach to it |
| 16:01.43 | txomon|fon | you don't need to launch anything graphical |
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| 16:01.56 | crush26 | txomon|fon: the output of the script is very long running and would easily fill up a txt file |
| 16:02.21 | txomon|fon | crush26, that's like all the programs, that's why you always have log rotation, deletion etc. |
| 16:02.36 | txomon|fon | it's a complete world of app monitoring through logs out there |
| 16:02.48 | crush26 | txomon|fon: please explain that...log rotation/deletion? |
| 16:03.27 | txomon|fon | crush26, the idea is that in your programs, instead of using plain print/printf/puts or whatever you are programming into, you use a logging library |
| 16:03.33 | txomon|fon | in python it's by default |
| 16:03.48 | crush26 | txomon|fon: also is there a benefit to using VNC versus ssh -X? |
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| 16:04.45 | txomon|fon | crush26, you also have syslog functions in C |
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| 16:05.13 | txomon|fon | crush26, you don't need to redirect anything |
| 16:05.24 | txomon|fon | you don't need graphical stuff if you don't have a graphical app |
| 16:05.39 | txomon|fon | but if you still want to have graphical desktop in the server to execute one app |
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| 16:06.00 | crush26 | txomon|fon: the broadcast program my shell script calls is written in C++. The output is dsplayed using printf |
| 16:06.10 | crush26 | txomon|fon: i do not need graphical |
| 16:06.21 | txomon|fon | then use just tmux |
| 16:06.25 | txomon|fon | and attach to the shell |
| 16:06.30 | txomon|fon | or use logrotate |
| 16:06.33 | txomon|fon | and syslog |
| 16:06.39 | txomon|fon | man syslog |
| 16:06.43 | txomon|fon | man logrotate |
| 16:07.25 | txomon|fon | and if you want to have a monitoring computer (like a NSOC) |
| 16:07.41 | txomon|fon | the best you can do is to have something like logstash or cactis |
| 16:07.46 | txomon|fon | where you receive your logs |
| 16:07.54 | txomon|fon | and analyze them by priority |
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| 16:08.50 | crush26 | txomon|fon: tmux would be sufficient, but I would need to monitor this remotely. Currently Teamviewer is being used, but I am considering more options that are better for performance on the remote machines. The remote machines are either pushing or pulling A/V streams and I fear TV is robbing bandwidth causing A/V streams to decay |
| 16:08.51 | resixian | easiest 'private cloud' to deploy on debian? i just need something simple |
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| 16:09.06 | txomon|fon | resixian, digitalocean |
| 16:09.12 | txomon|fon | click and you have it in 1 minute |
| 16:09.20 | resixian | txomon|fon: thanks |
| 16:09.23 | txomon|fon | hosts, not clouds |
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| 16:09.29 | txomon|fon | but I suppose you wanted a cloud hosting |
| 16:09.38 | txomon|fon | xD |
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| 16:10.23 | txomon|fon | crush26, If you *just* need to see the printf output, use just tmux |
| 16:10.26 | resixian | no |
| 16:10.55 | txomon|fon | resixian, you want baremetal, VMs with debian installed, or a cloud hoster ? |
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| 16:11.21 | carrera | Greetings! :-) |
| 16:11.24 | txomon|fon | you can create a cloud of VMs with digitalocean if you mean that |
| 16:11.34 | crush26 | txomon|fon: i get that, but I need to access the machine remotely. I am in the US and the remote machines are in other countries |
| 16:11.45 | resixian | crush26: why can't you redirect to a log? rsyslog, logrotate |
| 16:11.52 | txomon|fon | crush26, ssh to the machine, attach to the terminal with tmux |
| 16:12.23 | txomon|fon | crush26, you should really look for the logging thing. terminal output is not intended for that |
| 16:12.25 | resixian | txomon|fon: no i mean sth like owncloud |
| 16:13.02 | resixian | crush26: also if the output is important its no bueno to have it be so ephemereal |
| 16:13.31 | txomon|fon | crush26, you have a limit of output in all therminals, files are endless |
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| 16:14.38 | txomon|fon | resixian, owncloud is probably the way to go |
| 16:14.41 | crush26 | resixian: I can redirect to a log, but i need a way to make sure the log file does not grow to be too big. The streams run for many days at a time sometimes weeks and the contents of the log file would grow way too big |
| 16:14.55 | resixian | crush26: yeah, use logrotate |
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| 16:15.06 | txomon|fon | crush26, have you read man logrotate? |
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| 16:15.15 | crush26 | resixian: I do not understand "ephemereal" |
| 16:15.20 | resixian | you have the files rotate by size or age and use compression on the old ones |
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| 16:15.40 | omid8bimo | im keep getting "Out of socket memory" in my dmesg/logs. any help ? |
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| 16:15.45 | crush26 | txomon|fon: I am looking at the man page now |
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| 16:15.49 | resixian | crush26: ephemereal = doesn't last long, or in your case the information is gone once it runs past the terminal's buffer |
| 16:16.16 | omid8bimo | i checked orphan sockets and tcp mem and they were not near the kernel limit! |
| 16:16.23 | crush26 | resixian: ahh I see thank you for explaining that. |
| 16:16.28 | resixian | crush26: np |
| 16:16.40 | txomon|fon | resixian, you may want to have an eye in this project: https://cloudfleet.io/#features |
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| 16:16.42 | carrera | recently, when I play videos with VLC the video is rendered on every desktop. Also when I move an xterm window over VLC, the image comes through as if I have set the background to transparent. I couldn't find anything on Google. I'm running Jessie with XFCE. |
| 16:16.46 | resixian | txomon|fon: thanks, that's what i've seen too, just wondering if there was another one |
| 16:17.08 | resixian | oh, cloudfeet is new |
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| 16:17.11 | resixian | (to me) |
| 16:17.28 | txomon|fon | resixian, it's new for me too |
| 16:17.32 | txomon|fon | I discovered it today xD |
| 16:17.39 | txomon|fon | (at the mornnng) |
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| 16:19.02 | resixian | am i stupid, or is there no link to 'get' cloudfeet? |
| 16:19.33 | resixian | following the 'tryit' link just skitters the page a bit |
| 16:19.37 | txomon|fon | hahha |
| 16:19.38 | txomon|fon | yeah |
| 16:19.49 | txomon|fon | it's letting you to the have me informed |
| 16:19.51 | resixian | hehe, i guess that ones not ready :/ |
| 16:19.54 | txomon|fon | I think they just launched |
| 16:19.56 | txomon|fon | nope |
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| 16:20.05 | txomon|fon | that's why I said stick to owncloud =) |
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| 16:20.20 | resixian | aptitudes owncloud |
| 16:20.35 | resixian | goes for tea |
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| 16:23.58 | gtrmtx | so this feels like a n00b question...if i nano /etc/network/interfaces can i pound out my static addressing and add dhcp without deleting my static info? |
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| 16:24.34 | txomon|fon | gtrmtx, you can change the config, but the config won't apply without a networking restart |
| 16:24.55 | crush26 | resixian: so in my case I would ./myScript.sh >log.txt then tail -f log.txt to see the output of myScript as it enters the log file. Then I would run logrotate via cron? |
| 16:24.55 | gtrmtx | txomon|fon: thats all fine but does pounding out something work with any file? |
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| 16:26.02 | txomon|fon | gtrmtx, I don't really understand your question |
| 16:26.17 | txomon|fon | if you want to change your device address info |
| 16:26.24 | txomon|fon | unset the ip config |
| 16:26.29 | txomon|fon | and dhclient on it |
| 16:26.39 | txomon|fon | (sudo dhclient eth0 for example) |
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| 16:27.05 | gtrmtx | like say im in nano /etc/apache2/apache2.conf you can comment something out by adding # at the start of the line...im wondering if # comments out code no matter where it is |
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| 16:28.12 | txomon|fon | gtrmtx, observe the rest of the logs, but I think apache config files have # as comments |
| 16:28.32 | txomon|fon | config files* |
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| 16:29.14 | gtrmtx | let me just type what i would like to have in my /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:29.19 | gtrmtx | auto eth0 |
| 16:29.25 | gtrmtx | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 16:29.31 | gtrmtx | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 16:29.47 | gtrmtx | # iface eth0 inet static |
| 16:29.52 | txomon|fon | yes |
| 16:29.55 | txomon|fon | you can do that |
| 16:30.02 | gtrmtx | #address blahblahblah |
| 16:30.03 | txomon|fon | comments work like that |
| 16:30.09 | gtrmtx | ok cool |
| 16:30.24 | gtrmtx | awesome thanks |
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| 16:31.54 | carrera | does anyone have any problems with VLC after recent updates? |
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| 16:32.18 | carrera | Video image is played back on every desktop! |
| 16:32.43 | carrera | I'm running XFCE on Jessie |
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| 16:38.18 | gottaGO | There's a debian-update 2 disks and a debian with 3 disks. Which should I download ? |
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| 16:39.13 | peterS | if you expect to have internet connectivity on the systems you are installing, the best answer is usually the netinst CD image |
| 16:39.57 | gottaGO | ok cool thats what I want |
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| 16:50.47 | cwong2012 | whats the best practice for setting up a local network if i dont have a domain name? like host01.local, host01.localnetwork, host01.local.something, etc? right now i am using host01.xx.xx.comcast.net )= |
| 16:50.48 | ChibaPet | Bug report: icedtea-netx seems to ignore the alternatives-provided java binary and assumes a particular directory structure that isn't guaranteed to exist. |
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| 16:56.29 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. Has anyone suceeded in installing Skype on Wheezy amd64? |
| 16:57.03 | Pegasus_RPG | I'm getting skype:i386 : Depends: libqtgui4:i386 (>= 4:4.8.0) but it is not going to be installed |
| 16:57.04 | Pegasus_RPG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:57.04 | Pegasus_RPG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:57.58 | Pegasus_RPG | (Come on, bot, it was four lines) |
| 16:58.10 | Pegasus_RPG | So why doesn't Apt just try to install those packages? |
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| 16:58.48 | Pegasus_RPG | apt-get -f install only wants to remove skype:i386 and strangely install a few :i386 libs |
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| 16:59.10 | Pegasus_RPG | And right afterwords, it says they're not needed and will autoremove them |
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| 16:59.42 | bdz | Pegasus_RPG: https://wiki.debian.org/skype |
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| 17:01.19 | ebfull | on sid there's a tricky way to get ffmpeg installed |
| 17:01.25 | ebfull | i did it once but can't figure it out again :) |
| 17:01.34 | Pegasus_RPG | bdz: I already saw that and it implies everything works fine |
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| 17:01.55 | Pegasus_RPG | So I guess my question isn't so much skype-related as apt |
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| 17:02.02 | Pegasus_RPG | sec, I'll pastebin what I'm seeing |
| 17:02.51 | Pegasus_RPG | http://paste.debian.net/127356/ |
| 17:03.18 | tharkun | I want to know the numeric value of a color. What is my best weapon within Debian? |
| 17:03.40 | Pegasus_RPG | So my questions: 1) why does it not just install what skype:i386 needs instead of trying to remove it? 2) Why does it want to install i386 libs only to turn around and tell me they're not needed later? |
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| 17:06.10 | Pegasus_RPG | I checked and the dependencies seem installable (they're available in Wheezy repos) |
| 17:06.15 | Pegasus_RPG | so WTF |
| 17:06.29 | Pegasus_RPG | tharkun: GIMP? :_ |
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| 17:07.02 | jhutchins | Pegasus_RPG: Do you have valid contrib and non-free repos enabled? |
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| 17:08.55 | jhutchins | Pegasus_RPG: What steps did you follow so far? |
| 17:09.01 | Pegasus_RPG | jhutchins: yes I do. |
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| 17:09.29 | jhutchins | tharkun: I think the imagemagick "identify" command might ... no, that's for files, not colors... |
| 17:09.52 | Pegasus_RPG | I already have i386 arch added, so i downloaded the skype.deb for Debian 7 dpkg -i it then tried to apt-get -f install and the paste is the result of that last commend |
| 17:09.55 | jhutchins | tharkun: Are you looking for the HTML numeric value? |
| 17:09.57 | Pegasus_RPG | s/commend/command/ |
| 17:10.42 | tharkun | jhutchins: yes |
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| 17:11.11 | tharkun | Actually it is CSS value that I'm looking but then on the context I believe they are interchangeable. |
| 17:11.25 | jhutchins | Pegasus_RPG: Ok, at that point tell aptitude "no" and see what else it suggests. |
| 17:11.49 | jhutchins | Pegasus_RPG: You might want to go ahead and clean up/autoremove some of the spurious packages before you do skype. |
| 17:11.54 | gottaGO | while I'm installing from cd ( debian-7.6 netinst ) I'm getting : "Network autoconfiguration failed" |
| 17:12.15 | jhutchins | tharkun: I think there are some tools on the web, possibly findable at wc3.org |
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| 17:12.56 | jhutchins | gottaGO: Ok, that probably means you didn't get a DHCP response or the interface wasn't enabled. WHat kind of network interface? |
| 17:12.57 | tharkun | jhutchins: hmm I'll look into it I was expecting a simple hex rgb value guess I'm way off |
| 17:13.04 | Pegasus_RPG | yeah about that, why does aptitude get so out of sync with apt-get? |
| 17:13.17 | jhutchins | tharkun: I think it's RR GG BB. |
| 17:13.45 | jhutchins | Pegasus_RPG: Aptitude in general does more extensive dependency checks. |
| 17:13.46 | gottaGO | jhutchins, I"m using my wifi network - unless you mean something else and I havent understand the question |
| 17:14.09 | jhutchins | No, that's what I mean. Did the install continue? |
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| 17:14.35 | Pegasus_RPG | like I removed linux-image-rt months ago, dpkg -l doesn't show it at all, yet aptitude wants to install it |
| 17:14.58 | Pegasus_RPG | rummages through and corrects aptitude's package actions |
| 17:15.07 | gottaGO | jhutchins, I get a menu with 4 options : retry, retry with a DHCP hostname, configure network manually, do not configure at this time |
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| 17:16.52 | tharkun | jhutchins: yes, they are. but they are in hexadecimal value and I was taking them as decimal isue fixed. Thanks |
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| 17:20.12 | jhutchins | tharkun: Ah, excellent. |
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| 17:20.36 | jhutchins | gottaGO: I'm probably not the best person to talk to, the last time I ran the installer was about four releases ago. |
| 17:21.03 | jhutchins | gottaGO: Nonetheless, you possibly need firmware for your wifi. /msg dpkg firmware for more info. |
| 17:21.04 | Pegasus_RPG | jhutchins: Okay, so I removed the skype package, purged a bunch of stuff so aptitude is happy, reinstalled skype, now Aptitude either wants to remove skype or the rest of my system! (42 installs, 439 removals) |
| 17:21.19 | jhutchins | gottaGO: If you have the DVD, you can just continue without networking and set it up later. |
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| 17:21.33 | gottaGO | jhutchins, ok thank you |
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| 17:21.37 | jhutchins | Pegasus_RPG: Which release are you on? |
| 17:22.03 | Pegasus_RPG | Wheezy 3.2.60-1+deb7u3 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:22.22 | Pegasus_RPG | 7.6 |
| 17:22.35 | Pegasus_RPG | I may have a couple packages from backports installed though |
| 17:22.41 | jhutchins | Pegasus_RPG: Verify that you have contrib and non-free enabled - maybe pastebin your sources.list? |
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| 17:23.28 | Pegasus_RPG | http://paste.debian.net/127359/ |
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| 17:25.25 | Pegasus_RPG | Looks like the only bpackports I have are some Mozilla packages for Iceweasel and LibreOffice |
| 17:25.50 | Pegasus_RPG | and initramfs-tools for some reason |
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| 17:26.03 | Pegasus_RPG | jhutchins: ^ |
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| 17:27.27 | Pegasus_RPG | I have quite a few i386 libs installed for teamviewer and lightscribe |
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| 17:30.54 | jhutchins | Pegasus_RPG: Ok, DIsclaimer: You have dmm, and that means you might have incompatible multimedia (sound, video) files installed from there. My experience with dmm has been excellent, but it's not as necessary as it used to be. |
| 17:31.27 | Pegasus_RPG | Fair enough. I can remove it if needed. (I needed it for Cinelerra but I don't use it on this machine often.) |
| 17:31.44 | jhutchins | Pegasus_RPG: I notice you don't have contrib at line 17, and no contrib or non-free at line 18. Check the main page at dmm and maybe add those. |
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| 17:34.00 | Pegasus_RPG | They only list main and non-free. I think I tried adding contrib once and it complained of file not found |
| 17:34.23 | Pegasus_RPG | Oo they have backports though |
| 17:34.26 | Pegasus_RPG | adds |
| 17:35.09 | Pegasus_RPG | already has it |
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| 17:35.45 | Pegasus_RPG | yeah, i just tried adding contrib again and it complains |
| 17:37.02 | jhutchins | Pegasus_RPG: Pretty needless to check that you've done something like aptitude full-upgrade to make sure you're current. |
| 17:37.50 | Pegasus_RPG | jhutchins: did it, nothing was installed. |
| 17:38.11 | Pegasus_RPG | I wonder if one of the needed i386 libs requires removing the amd64 version, breaking everything? |
| 17:38.55 | Pegasus_RPG | It's not evident from aptitude's suggestions, but that's got to be the only reason why it wants to remove half my system in order to keep skype |
| 17:39.15 | Pegasus_RPG | Damn Skype... build for a modern architecture |
| 17:39.28 | the_real_derpher | hey how do I use DDNS on a client - I have a different DNS server than the one I am getting from DHCP. It looks like my box is registering the hostname with the DNS server Im getting from DHCP. Whats going on here |
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| 17:42.59 | jhutchins | Pegasus_RPG: Yeah, well, Microsoft. |
| 17:43.13 | Pegasus_RPG | ...who is moving to 64-bit on Windows themselves |
| 17:43.27 | Pegasus_RPG | is now trying to remove all i386 packages |
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| 17:44.30 | Pegasus_RPG | I've just been grepping... can I ask dpkg to output a list of just package names that are of a certain arch? |
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| 17:47.19 | jhutchins | Pegasus_RPG: I'm not sure where you can go from here, support is generally through their forums. |
| 17:47.38 | jhutchins | Pegasus_RPG: There's a link to the forum at the bottom of the wiki page. |
| 17:47.38 | Pegasus_RPG | jhutchins: can I ask dpkg to output a list of just package names that are of a certain arch? |
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| 17:48.01 | jhutchins | Pegasus_RPG: Probably, or just pipe through grep. |
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| 17:50.40 | RayzrShrp | woot woot running full rsa key encryption |
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| 17:52.47 | Pegasus_RPG | jhutchins: okay so I just removed all of the i386 packages on my system. (Most were libs to support other stuff that I don't need.) Now Aptitude wants to install them all again. Why? |
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| 17:52.55 | Pegasus_RPG | (apt-get is fine, just aptitude) |
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| 18:13.34 | Pegasus_RPG | screw it, I'll just use the dynamic version and manually install each lib it complains I'm missing |
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| 18:20.31 | Pegasus_RPG | Oh my gosh that falls apart too because apparently apt won't install libQtWebKit4:i386 because "libqtwebkit4:i386 : Depends: libsqlite3-0:i386 (>= 3.5.9) but it is not going to be installed" |
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| 18:20.39 | Pegasus_RPG | So WTF? Install it, apt!! |
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| 18:22.21 | unclezipper | Pegasus_RPG: Try using aptitude instead |
| 18:22.44 | Pegasus_RPG | yeah I just did. Apparently I have a backported version of libsqlite3-0 amd64 installed. |
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| 18:23.07 | unclezipper | Oh. Yeah, that's messed me up before |
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| 18:24.40 | Pegasus_RPG | How can I forcibly remove it so I can install the regular one? |
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| 18:28.11 | hesco | I have updated and REQUEST REVIEW of this wiki entry to reflect my experience today with configuring an alias to a network interface: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#iproute2_method |
| 18:28.26 | Pegasus_RPG | unclezipper: ah got it: dpkg -r --force-depends <package> |
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| 18:32.36 | technologov_ | hi ! I have a new Ultrabook + Debian 8 but touchpad is recognized as PS/2 mouse |
| 18:33.02 | technologov | this means that I can't use touchpad for scrolling |
| 18:33.05 | technologov | any ideas ? |
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| 18:37.21 | Pegasus_RPG | technologov: is it a ClickPad? |
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| 18:37.45 | Pegasus_RPG | I've had a hell of a time getting one of those working in Debian. It still doesn't work 100% but it's usable |
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| 18:38.30 | technologov | I dunno what's a "Clickpad". I have touchpad. |
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| 18:41.58 | Pegasus_RPG | technologov: does it have separate physical buttons? |
| 18:42.31 | technologov | yea, x2 top+bottom. on top it is physical on bottom, it is not physical |
| 18:42.43 | Pegasus_RPG | In any case you can always try installing synaptiks package which lets you change settings |
| 18:43.04 | technologov | synaptiks says "no touchpad found" |
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| 18:44.30 | Pegasus_RPG | Otherwise, manually edit your xorg.conf and change Driver under the InputDevice section. I forget to what. My touchpad works fine with that as just "mouse" |
| 18:44.54 | Pegasus_RPG | make sure you have a like like Option "Protocol" "auto" though |
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| 18:45.14 | Pegasus_RPG | oh wait |
| 18:45.14 | technologov | is there a way to "see" what kind of touchpad I have? Which driver is lacking ? |
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| 18:46.03 | Pegasus_RPG | http://paste.debian.net/127372/ |
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| 18:46.17 | Pegasus_RPG | technologov: add that to your xorg.conf ^^ |
| 18:46.39 | Pegasus_RPG | And tweak the settings as you like |
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| 18:47.29 | technologov | trying... thx |
| 18:47.49 | Pegasus_RPG | no problem. Remember that you need to restart your X server each time you make a change to that file in order for it to take effect |
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| 18:48.10 | Pegasus_RPG | Then check the Xorg.log to make sure it's seeing the options |
| 18:48.42 | Freeheart | Does apt-get *always* assume regex using typical "apt-get install package-name", or would a package match without wildcards be a bug? |
| 18:49.16 | Freeheart | I've almost never seen it match the non-specified package without the use of wildcards, but I recently ran across one that behaved differently than I expected. |
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| 19:07.05 | generatoo | ls |
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| 19:14.49 | generatoo | dpkg --install |
| 19:14.49 | dpkg | generatoo: are you using Windows? |
| 19:15.05 | generatoo | dpkg i use debian |
| 19:15.05 | dpkg | generatoo: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 19:15.15 | generatoo | dpkg: what you want from me maaan :P |
| 19:15.17 | dpkg | i don't know, generatoo |
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| 19:15.27 | heurist | generatoo: dpkg is a bot. can we help you with something? |
| 19:15.29 | generatoo | i like dpkg |
| 19:15.33 | generatoo | heurist: i know ;) |
| 19:15.55 | unclezipper | dpkg is a pretty cool guy |
| 19:15.55 | dpkg | unclezipper: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 19:16.04 | generatoo | :D |
| 19:16.10 | heurist | !msg the bot |
| 19:16.10 | dpkg | Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . Also ask me about <judd>, which is another bot and window into the Ultimate Debian Database. |
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| 19:16.24 | heurist | (: |
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| 19:16.50 | generatoo | installed debian 2 days ago, it just rocks! Thanks for the support, without the community it wouldnt be such a great feeling to use Debian. |
| 19:16.53 | generatoo | :) |
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| 19:17.22 | heurist | generatoo: agreed, community is a bit reason to chose one distro over another. |
| 19:17.25 | Freeheart | I like hearing stuff like that. :) |
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| 19:18.14 | centrx | !next |
| 19:18.14 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 19:19.19 | generatoo | yeah, if the community stick together and help each other, this puts a great image on the product itself. Btw the package manager is a really great tool in debian |
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| 19:20.07 | heurist | generatoo: debian's package management is good, but other have package management that is also good. |
| 19:20.29 | centrx | pshaw they all copied Debian |
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| 19:22.38 | Freeheart | There are some really novel package managers. :) |
| 19:22.55 | Freeheart | But most of them these days are pretty good. It was a very different story a few years ago. |
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| 19:23.15 | Freeheart | Package problems these days almost always come down to the packages themselves, not the package managers. |
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| 19:23.46 | generatoo | Ive used gentoo before, then moved to slackware and stranded on debian. In Debian, all stable packages wont make any problems, would they? |
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| 19:24.12 | Freeheart | Barring bugs, no, they should be very stable. |
| 19:24.20 | heurist | Freeheart: agreed, that is why I do not use gentoo much anymore, brilliant tooling, bad management of packages. too much breakage due to lack of sufficient testing. ): |
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| 19:25.00 | Freeheart | I've never had a *great* experience on a source-based distro. Usable, yeah, but not great. |
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| 19:25.20 | heurist | generatoo: I too abandoned gentoo and came back to debian, here we can trust that if they push an update we cab update and not have to worry about servers failing. |
| 19:25.21 | Freeheart | AUR had all kinds of unmaintained stuff, even FreeBSD ports choked now and then. |
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| 19:25.58 | Freeheart | I've been using Ubuntu for a while on my main workstation, since I use it professionally. But I think it's time to transition back over to Debian proper. |
| 19:25.59 | heurist | Freeheart: it is not a source based issue, it is a testing and review issue. |
| 19:26.08 | Freeheart | Oh yes, agreed. |
| 19:26.16 | heurist | but this is getting way off topic. (: |
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| 19:27.10 | Freeheart | I was referring to the overall ease-of-use with source-based distros, not the managers themselves. Binary based with good package source tools is where I like. :) |
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| 19:28.43 | generatoo | I think I will be happy with stable packages, for a long time. What would be the reason to use always the newest version of some packages, e.g. IceWeasel, because of Bugs ? Or is it about the new features that drives people to switch from stable to unstable? |
| 19:29.11 | heurist | !sns |
| 19:29.11 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 19:29.53 | heurist | generatoo: debian fixes security issues and serious problems in the stable versions, so you still get updates. |
| 19:29.55 | Freeheart | I don't think SNS is *always* the reason. On projects that are active, I like my development systems to be rather current, so that I can deal with bugs and incompatibilities in my own code LONG before the next stable target. |
| 19:30.30 | technologov | This disease has a name: "Versionitis". |
| 19:30.38 | Freeheart | generatoo, Generally, features. Security flaws get fixes in stable. |
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| 19:32.37 | generatoo | and what do I need to know to help fixing packages. or how can I find those bugs and how to fix them? Maybe some of you guys can direct me or tell me which skills to get know? |
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| 19:34.19 | Freeheart | The New Maintainer's Guide was a helpful reference for me. https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
| 19:34.36 | Freeheart | Even if you don't seek to be a maintiner, knowing the workflow is very helpful. |
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| 19:34.57 | centrx | generatoo, In the case of iceweasel and chromium, you actually do get the new versions in stable because they are giant security releases |
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| 19:46.50 | generatoo | Freeheart: yeah thank you, will read it several times. Good night all |
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| 20:15.17 | ra_ | hi, i am using jessy (i really like it), but it seems my laptop cannot shutdown. The cursor is blinking on an empty terminal and when I type ctr+alt+del, something is written on terminal about "starting unattended updates" and "starting soundcore" or similar, and on ctr+alt+del, it repeats it with failed status. After a few minutes (about 5), it shuts down. In wheezy, the shutdown was immediate. |
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| 20:16.06 | heurist | ra_: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:16.33 | ra_ | heurist: thanks, I try |
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| 20:19.45 | mnunberg_ | hi folks. apparently something somewhere decided to change my default python from 2.6 to 2.7; as a result, most of the python modules are broken |
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| 20:20.18 | mnunberg_ | without going through much hassle, what's a good way to simply reinstall all the system python modules to use the newer python |
| 20:20.57 | dondelelcaro | mnunberg_: the default in wheezy through sid is 2.7 |
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| 20:21.23 | dondelelcaro | mnunberg_: unless you were still running squeeze, I've no idea how you managed to not be running 2.7 already |
| 20:21.32 | mnunberg_ | dondelelcaro: hrm. something just broke somewhere. lemme see what the dpkg logs say |
| 20:21.51 | mnunberg_ | i _believe_ this system was previously upgraded from squeeze, but i am not sure |
| 20:22.07 | dondelelcaro | it's also possible that it wasn't completely upgraded |
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| 20:22.17 | dondelelcaro | ,versions python |
| 20:22.18 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; wheezy: 2.7.3-4+deb7u1; sid: 2.7.8-1; jessie: 2.7.8-1 |
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| 20:25.07 | mnunberg_ | dondelelcaro: hrm. the dpkg logs don't even indicate i had python 2.7 before today |
| 20:25.35 | mnunberg_ | or heck, i'll just paste the logs, since i don't want to jump to conclusions |
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| 20:30.18 | mnunberg_ | http://paste.scsys.co.uk/432260 |
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| 20:33.25 | Encapsulation | Can anyone assist me in setting up a way to run two commands every hour or so |
| 20:34.07 | carrera | Encapsulation, man cron and man crontab |
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| 20:34.09 | heurist | Encapsulation: cron does exactly that. |
| 20:34.31 | Encapsulation | I'll read the manual for those, thank you |
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| 20:34.51 | dr0p | hello, where can I find debian testing iso with iwlwifi firmware included ? |
| 20:35.00 | dr0p | can't find any iso |
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| 21:24.10 | Silent | Hey :) |
| 21:24.23 | Silent | I've just downloaded a live iso image and I'd like to install it from a usb stick |
| 21:24.44 | Silent | Do I just "dd if=a.iso of=/dev/sdb" ? |
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| 21:25.40 | heurist | Silent: yes, you can also just cp a.iso /dev/sdb ; sync |
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| 21:25.56 | Silent | heurist: Thanks :) |
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| 21:27.48 | seimei | hoy |
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| 21:29.02 | metallic | Silent, heurist : actually it is better to use the "dd" command |
| 21:29.31 | babilen | metallic: It is not. In fact cp will be faster by default. |
| 21:29.42 | metallic | faster, which does not meant better |
| 21:29.43 | babilen | (but why do you think so?) |
| 21:29.46 | Silent | I've used dd because that's what I know and love |
| 21:29.55 | Silent | :P |
| 21:29.59 | heurist | Silent: use what you know |
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| 21:30.09 | babilen | dd has horrible syntax for something so wasy as copying (sic!) data from one place to another. |
| 21:30.19 | bezaban | nods |
| 21:30.26 | Silent | Yeah I guess it kinda sucks |
| 21:30.32 | babilen | And then there if dcfldd if you really need power |
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| 21:30.42 | dondelelcaro | yeah; any time you write dd, you should write dcfldd |
| 21:30.47 | dondelelcaro | which is better, faster, and more powerful. |
| 21:30.54 | babilen | exactly |
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| 21:32.09 | metallic | I did not know dcfldd |
| 21:32.18 | metallic | WHAT is that??? Explain me please |
| 21:32.31 | babilen | metallic: "apt-cache show dcfldd" |
| 21:33.01 | metallic | babilen, cp command turned out to be problematic sometimes, using dd I obtain a perfect copy of the data |
| 21:33.14 | croddy | "Progress bar of how much data has already been sent." SOLD |
| 21:33.17 | Silent | It's reboot time |
| 21:33.18 | metallic | problematic for me |
| 21:33.25 | Silent | See you again from Debian :) |
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| 21:40.07 | metallic | babilen, why do you prefer cp? |
| 21:40.16 | metallic | babilen, why do you prefer cp to dd*? |
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| 21:42.36 | babilen | metallic: Because it is easier to type "cp foo.iso /dev/sdb" than "dd if=foo.iso of=/dev/sdb" and because it automatically scales the blocksize whereas you have to choose a suitable static one with dd (like "bs=4M") |
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| 21:44.32 | metallic | I know it is easier from the writing point of view but I had problems burning an ISO in a USB with cp command. I used dd with no problems and dd allows me to create a perfect copy of my target, for instance: cloning a USB |
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| 21:44.53 | metallic | I will take a look at that command you just said before |
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| 21:47.18 | babilen | metallic: cp copies the same data like dd (and dcfldd is worth a look) |
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| 21:48.25 | babilen | You would only need dd (or rather dcfldd) if you require one of its specific features such as the ability to copy a certain number of blocks of a specific size with a given offset. That allows you to backup the partition table or things like that. |
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| 22:00.28 | Encapsulation | can someone help me set up ownership of my apache servers folder where my site is stored |
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| 22:00.42 | Encapsulation | I would like to make it so a program I have can generate a pagbe there regularly |
| 22:00.47 | klys | chmod www-data.www-data /var/www |
| 22:00.54 | klys | chown www-data.www-data /var/www |
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| 22:01.44 | klys | chmod 755 /var/www |
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| 22:01.48 | heurist | Encapsulation: as klys says and then add the user that runs the application to the www-data group and make the directory they need to write to writable by group. |
| 22:01.49 | Octavian | gug |
| 22:01.51 | klys | those are defaults |
| 22:02.30 | Octavian | Q: I see that make-kpkg does not support building perf-tools. |
| 22:02.59 | klys | encapsulation, do you mean HTTP PUT |
| 22:03.14 | Octavian | And I see Debian Bug #618262 ("Wishlist"), which is requesting it |
| 22:03.48 | Octavian | Q: what is the preferred way currently to build perf-tools Debian package from own kernel sources? |
| 22:03.52 | Encapsulation | My end goal here is to use cron to run minecraft overviewer every hour or so and generate a google maps style map of my world, and put it in the folder of my website so that its current |
| 22:04.04 | Encapsulation | I was running it as root |
| 22:04.07 | Encapsulation | and someone said that wasnt a good idea |
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| 22:04.30 | Encapsulation | they talked about making a group that needs to access that folder, etc etc |
| 22:04.54 | Encapsulation | and then make my user a member of the group |
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| 22:05.06 | Encapsulation | but not understanding how the users and group system works, its making my head hurt |
| 22:05.09 | heurist | dpkg: tell Encapsulation -about enter |
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| 22:05.22 | bezaban | Encapsulation: root is not needed for that, and root should only be used on a required basis. Is it dynmap you are using? |
| 22:05.37 | bezaban | if not dynmap should be an excellent option :) |
| 22:05.48 | Encapsulation | I wanted to use dynmap but bukkit doesnt appear to be updated for 1.8 due to DMCA issues so I was trying to set up overviewer instead |
| 22:05.52 | Encapsulation | its a python program |
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| 22:06.16 | Encapsulation | the issue began when I edited the config and specified /var/www as the output dir |
| 22:06.27 | Encapsulation | OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/www/tmprVIGsk' |
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| 22:07.08 | Encapsulation | my solution before was to run it as root, but that didnt even work and as I now understand is also unsafe |
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| 22:07.21 | arch_linux | Need some help guys |
| 22:07.35 | arch_linux | trying to install pipelight on debian and seem to have hit a brick wall |
| 22:07.35 | avshalom | hi all, curious, if emacs 24.4 is released in the next couple of days, what is the likelihood that it could make it into jessie stable by the freeze? |
| 22:07.42 | bezaban | Encapsulation: add the user you want to run it as to a group of your choice and change the group ownership of the files and directories it needs access to said group: chown -R :group directory |
| 22:08.02 | klys | encapsulation, authentication is managed through syscalls implementing /bin/login. the libraries responsible for managed authentication are called "PAM" and have configs in /etc/pam.d/ one of those files manages auth for httpd. the users are listed in /etc/passwd and the groups listed in /etc/group. groups cannot be members of groups. if you need that try a commercial solution such as edirectory. |
| 22:08.06 | heurist | avshalom: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:08.22 | avshalom | heurist: ok, thanks. |
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| 22:10.37 | bezaban | Encapsulation: alternatively just run it as the user already owning the files |
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| 22:10.51 | Encapsulation | root must own them because I cant run it on my account |
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| 22:11.03 | Ussat | so, init or systemD ? |
| 22:11.22 | klys | sysvinit is a long-help posix standard |
| 22:11.26 | klys | sysvinit is a long-held posix standard |
| 22:11.34 | bezaban | Encapsulation: why not? |
| 22:11.41 | DarkPlayer | arch_linux: i would suggest asking in #pipelight |
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| 22:12.17 | Encapsulation | when I run overviewer it creates an html file and content in a directory of my choice, creating a google map of my minecraft world |
| 22:12.27 | klys | ussat, in my opinion there should or will be a gui (gnome) tool to setup sysvinit at some future data |
| 22:12.30 | Encapsulation | I chose /var/www to try to have it update my website each time I run it |
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| 22:12.41 | Ussat | GUI !!!! ??? you jest |
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| 22:12.59 | arch_linux | DarkPlayer: oh cool sorry didn't realize there was a channel strictly for it |
| 22:13.09 | klys | ussat, are you actually thinking of the feasability or other issues at implementing this? |
| 22:13.24 | Ussat | just cureious of your alls opinions ? |
| 22:13.39 | klys | defers to others' opinions then |
| 22:13.47 | Ussat | I personally, sysvinit on some my systems, others are systemD |
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| 22:35.33 | Encapsulation | klys: so I need to make a new group called www-data? |
| 22:36.00 | Encapsulation | and then add the /var/www folder to it |
| 22:36.06 | Encapsulation | and then add myself to the group? |
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| 22:39.21 | klys | encapsulation, that sounds like a complete idea, go with that. |
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| 22:39.56 | Encapsulation | how will I ensure apache2 still has the proper access to that folder? |
| 22:40.19 | Encapsulation | or does it only need to read from /var/www |
| 22:40.41 | klys | encapsulation, it depends on if you're trying to set up "HTTP PUT". |
| 22:41.26 | Encapsulation | I'm not sure what that is. Basically I have a program that generates an index.html. I want it to output that to my default apache2 site folder so that the site updates when I run the command |
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| 22:42.17 | klys | encapsulation, you will not find my help to be much use when it comes to the PUT method, yet it sounds like that's what you program is trying to do. |
| 22:42.33 | klys | so read up on it and teach yourself how to PUT. |
| 22:42.57 | Encapsulation | PUT sounds like something in the HTTP protocol |
| 22:43.03 | adrb | klys: he newer mention that it works via http |
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| 22:43.30 | Encapsulation | everything I need to do is on my own box here |
| 22:44.00 | adrb | Encapsulation: use stat to get privileges and verify if they are correct |
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| 22:44.04 | Encapsulation | the program writes an index.html file to a directory of my choice. I tried to choose the default apache2 folder but there was a permissions error. |
| 22:44.14 | Encapsulation | I want to fix that without breaking anything else in the process |
| 22:44.49 | Encapsulation | its owned by root |
| 22:45.05 | adrb | yes, becuse /var/www is not the proper place to doing stuff like that |
| 22:45.27 | Encapsulation | my idea was to put it there so all that I had to was run the program to update my website |
| 22:45.35 | Encapsulation | for some context, the program generates a google map from my minecraft world |
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| 22:47.18 | Encapsulation | if I take ownership of that folder it seems like the program could write to it when run by my users. My fear is that this may break something else or cause a security issue of some kind |
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| 22:48.16 | adrb | if this is the only thing on server, then it won't break anything |
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| 22:49.08 | Encapsulation | ok so I need to take ownership of that folder with this user. what about groups? people were talking about making a new group, putting myself in it, and then giving ownership of the folder to that group. |
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| 22:50.01 | Encapsulation | this is the reply from someone who was providing help specific to the application "best to add everything that needs to write to that folder to a group specifically for that, and then change the ownership of the folder to the group (e.g. chown -R :www-data /var/www) and give the group write access (chmod -R g=rw) and then re-log in to make sure the group changes apply to your user |
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| 22:50.41 | Encapsulation | I barely understood all that though, especially the www-data group part |
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| 22:51.19 | zoku | anyone mind rubber ducking for me? ld doesn't seem to be working like I'd expect |
| 22:51.51 | zoku | I am running: |
| 22:51.52 | zoku | gcc -Wl,--verbose -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -Iinclude -Llib/.libs -lfuse -o ../fuse{,.c} |
| 22:52.04 | zoku | attempt to open lib/.libs/libfuse.so succeeded |
| 22:52.14 | zoku | /tmp/ccNtRFTn.o: In function `fuse_main_suid': |
| 22:52.15 | zoku | fuse.c:(.text+0x465): undefined reference to `fuse_setup' |
| 22:52.24 | zoku | but libfuse.so definitely defines fuse_setup |
| 22:52.37 | zoku | % nm lib/.libs/libfuse.so|grep fuse_setup |
| 22:52.37 | zoku | 000000000001ad10 T __fuse_setup@ |
| 22:52.37 | zoku | 000000000001abc0 T fuse_setup |
| 22:52.41 | zoku | am I missing something here? |
| 22:52.44 | heurist | dpkg: tell zoku -about enter |
| 22:53.13 | zoku | sorry heurist, guess I shouldn't be pasting command output in here |
| 22:53.17 | zoku | I just figured it was short enough |
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| 22:53.27 | Encapsulation | its a bot I think |
| 22:53.40 | heurist | !bot |
| 22:53.40 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 22:53.58 | Encapsulation | ah |
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| 22:56.48 | arch_linux | trying to install firefox on debian wheezy anyone know where i can goto look |
| 22:57.08 | Encapsulation | iceweasel |
| 22:57.10 | Encapsulation | is what you want |
| 22:57.16 | fireant | I think it is rebranded iceweasel |
| 22:57.17 | arch_linux | tried a couple sites and it keeps telling me after i run apt-get update that some of the packages failed from the repositories |
| 22:57.34 | arch_linux | i have iceweasel need to test some stuff on multiple browsers |
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| 22:58.10 | arch_linux | here is the repo that it tells me to use deb http://packages.linuxmint.com debian import |
| 22:58.15 | fireant | arch_linux: its same software |
| 22:58.40 | zoku | only the logos are different |
| 22:58.48 | heurist | arch_linux: firefox and iceweasel are the same thing, if you need multiple browsers install chromium as a second one. |
| 22:58.52 | arch_linux | really? ok didn't realize that |
| 22:59.00 | arch_linux | thank you guys |
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| 23:00.30 | adrb | Encapsulation: that whole thing about groups, depends on what you are actually trying to do |
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| 23:01.00 | adrb | it's adminstrative problem and nobody tell you exactly what you need to do |
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| 23:09.49 | adilix | hi all |
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| 23:10.07 | adilix | i installed the mysql server but it fails to start |
| 23:10.09 | adilix | any help |
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| 23:11.14 | Dreamix | meh? |
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| 23:11.42 | Dreamix | then, something's wrong with your config file /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 23:11.55 | adilix | i wiil check it |
| 23:11.57 | Dreamix | did you modify it? |
| 23:12.06 | adilix | no nothing only installed |
| 23:12.21 | Dreamix | hmm.. strange |
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| 23:12.35 | bezaban | adilix: does /var/log/mysql.err or /var/log/mysql.log say anything? |
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| 23:14.14 | adilix | both files are empty |
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| 23:15.24 | adilix | and even on the installation where it asks for a root password it had the problem to set the password |
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| 23:16.54 | Dreamix | probablly that's the reason ... |
| 23:17.01 | adilix | what is the debain.cnf |
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| 23:17.51 | adilix | should i reinstall |
| 23:18.37 | Dreamix | it should be generated automatically |
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| 23:18.54 | adilix | the password? |
| 23:18.55 | Dreamix | something like: |
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| 23:19.01 | Dreamix | # Automatically generated for Debian scripts. DO NOT TOUCH! |
| 23:19.03 | Dreamix | [client] |
| 23:19.05 | Dreamix | host = localhost |
| 23:19.07 | Dreamix | user = debian-sys-maint |
| 23:19.09 | Dreamix | password = |
| 23:19.11 | Dreamix | ... |
| 23:19.14 | Dreamix | yes |
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| 23:20.05 | adilix | hmm host ist faulty i think, i have set it to debianvm |
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| 23:20.34 | Dreamix | you can try to dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server |
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| 23:21.07 | adilix | ok |
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| 23:22.06 | Dreamix | otherwise, apt-get purge mysql-server |
| 23:22.07 | adilix | hhm when i run that command i get : mysql-server is broken or not fully installed |
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| 23:22.10 | Dreamix | and install it again |
| 23:22.37 | Dreamix | okay, try to reinstall it... strange |
| 23:22.38 | adilix | i purge it out |
| 23:22.49 | Encapsulation | adrb: All I want to do is make it so this application can write to the directory where apache2 stores my website (/var/www) |
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| 23:22.54 | Dreamix | cheers |
| 23:23.09 | Encapsulation | root owns that folder, I need to run this app as a user |
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| 23:28.19 | Dreamix | Encapsulation: check your user id and make the /var/www ownership with the same group |
| 23:28.50 | adilix | unable to set root password when i install mysql-server |
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| 23:29.21 | scythe- | so i'm trying to install the non-free broadcom wl driver because the default one doesn't work |
| 23:29.26 | scythe- | which is fine |
| 23:29.28 | scythe- | it works, etc |
| 23:29.50 | scythe- | but when i reboot |
| 23:30.13 | heurist | dpkg: tell scythe- -about enter |
| 23:30.20 | scythe- | it's no longer running and the kernel loads b43 again |
| 23:31.23 | heurist | scythe-: you probably need to blacklist the b43 module so it does not load. |
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| 23:33.04 | Encapsulation | Dreamix: I'll try that. |
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| 23:33.53 | scythe- | heurist: does jessie use systemd or sysv or rc.d or ??? |
| 23:34.11 | heurist | scythe-: jessie will use systemd |
| 23:36.12 | scythe- | https://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting like this then? |
| 23:36.27 | heurist | dpkg: tell scythe- -about blacklist |
| 23:37.00 | heurist | scythe-: yes, as in that wiki page. |
| 23:38.31 | scythe- | okay, rebooting |
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| 23:51.24 | scythe- | so i'm also trying to change my default window manager and i don't even know how to tell what display manager i'm using. it doesn't say... |
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| 23:53.12 | heurist | scythe-: ls /etc/init.d/ | egrep "dm|slim" should tell you which DM you are using. |
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| 23:55.04 | Encapsulation | One command fixed it! I simply had to change the owner and group to my own |
| 23:55.43 | Encapsulation | One last issue, apache doesnt seem to default to index.html. When I load the site it goes to the sample page still. but if I go to www.mysite.com/index.html it loads my page |
| 23:55.56 | Encapsulation | I googled a bit but I'm not coming up with much |
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| 23:56.33 | adilix | no luck, anyway thx for help cya bye bye |
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| 23:59.45 | Encapsulation | nevermind |
| 23:59.54 | Encapsulation | it now works for no known reason |