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| 00:06.05 | pythonsnake | yeah |
| 00:06.07 | pythonsnake | i should sleep lol |
| 00:06.56 | Smuckerz | pythonsnake, so no idea on my question? |
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| 00:09.18 | jelly-home | !bat |
| 00:09.18 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 00:09.18 | heurist | Smuckerz: aside from the fact that that version in not in wheezy yet? |
| 00:09.36 | jelly-home | Smuckerz: provide the information dpkg listed, please |
| 00:10.04 | Smuckerz | jelly-home, which specifically would you like? |
| 00:10.09 | jelly-home | Smuckerz: all of it. |
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| 00:20.59 | Smuckerz | jelly, i'm unsure if this is what you're looking for: |
| 00:21.00 | Smuckerz | This update will fix bugs and other non-critical problems. |
| 00:21.00 | Smuckerz | This notification was issued on 08/11/2014. |
| 00:21.00 | Smuckerz | == 1.1.0~rc1+git20111210-6+deb7u1 == * Non-maintainer upload. * Add fix-bashism-use-of-echo.patch patch. Instead of using echo -e in xdg-email use directly /bin/echo. Fixes bashism use of echo and fixes opening of composer window in Thunderbird. (Closes: #685078, #691182) |
| 00:21.00 | Smuckerz | For more information about bugs fixed by this update please visit these websites: |
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| 00:21.42 | Smuckerz | facepalms and notices the topic |
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| 00:23.49 | TylerH_ | hey guys |
| 00:24.18 | Smuckerz | apologizes for her misstep/blatant violation of the rules |
| 00:24.26 | TylerH_ | Kernels are not distro specific right? |
| 00:24.42 | TylerH_ | I can use 3.17 on debian from ubuntu's repo yeah? |
| 00:25.05 | benzrf | TylerH_: pppprobably. |
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| 00:29.25 | jelly-home | Smuckerz: dpkg asked for complete output of your upgrade command, together with the command itself. Also, output of "apt-cache policy relevant-package-name". Also, output of just "apt-cache policy". Put all of that in a pastebin on http://paste.debian.net and report the result URL here. |
| 00:30.36 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Smuckerz -about bat |
| 00:31.31 | jelly-home | TylerH_: it might or might not work depending on how different the other packaging bits are. It's never a good idea to use packages from distro 1 on distro 2 |
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| 00:38.07 | infi | thank you |
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| 00:45.55 | eliasrus | Hi |
| 00:46.25 | eliasrus | how to save veth interface after reboot ? |
| 00:48.06 | Brigo | eliasrus, i think you cant, it is a virtual interface who is created at boot time and destroyed at power off time |
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| 00:59.11 | n3wborn | hello. I'm running a fresh installed wheezy in virtualbox and as I want to remove few package to free some disk space with software I don't use (I prefer vlc) I'd like to remove rhythmbox but when I "apt-get remove rhythmbox", apt also wants to remove gnome (it's the same problem with empathy). Is this a normal thing ? Can't I remove these software ?? |
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| 01:01.08 | n3wborn | I'd really like to only have softwares I need as I'll surely clone this vdi |
| 01:01.28 | Brigo | n3wborn, gnome is a virtual package who does nothing, but all gnome packages depends on it, then when you install gnome package you get all the suit. |
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| 01:02.27 | Brigo | n3wborn, but you can remove it safely, but the other package wass "automatically" installed have to be marked as manually installed |
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| 01:03.21 | richac | so i finally got grsecurity and selinux installed |
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| 01:04.08 | richac | but i've just noticed the default policy on selinux doesn't cover much....and you get a false positive about /etc/pam.d/login supposedly on wheezy? |
| 01:04.40 | richac | usualy the default policy is either "targeted" or "strict" and you have the two options....on debian its just one default policy and it really doesn't cover much |
| 01:04.59 | n3wborn | Brigo: ok. Thanks. I knew it was a meta-package(?) but I thought it was possible to remove it however |
| 01:05.34 | Brigo | n3wborn, i think i said you can remove it safely. |
| 01:05.52 | n3wborn | Brigo: ok, sorry |
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| 01:08.13 | n3wborn | Brigo: So if I well understand, (sorry, I'm not an english man as you can see^^) I just have to mark rhythmbox (and other automatically unwanted apps) as manually installed ? |
| 01:10.20 | Brigo | n3wborn, if you want them, yes. You can achieve it with apt-get install, for example apt-get install rhythmbox |
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| 01:12.36 | n3wborn | Brigo: ok, there should be confusion... I want to keep gnome but I don't want rhyhtmbox ^^ |
| 01:12.54 | n3wborn | Brigo: nor Empathy |
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| 01:13.06 | Brigo | n3wborn, oh, yes i missunderstand you, sorry |
| 01:13.15 | n3wborn | Brigo: no problem |
| 01:13.40 | Brigo | so you can delete Empathy, rhyhtmbox, and gnome and mark as manual the other packages that you want to keep. |
| 01:14.17 | n3wborn | Brigo: Ok, thank you |
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| 01:14.34 | Brigo | n3wborn, np :) |
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| 01:31.31 | kupo1 | Hello debian |
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| 01:39.48 | richac | so its running great though, debian has some really great documentation |
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| 01:47.53 | CarlGel | hi, I'm attempting to mount my ipod touch, however I am getting a segfault when plugging it in. http://paste.debian.net/125778/ |
| 01:48.08 | CarlGel | not entirely sure how to carry on |
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| 01:53.20 | richac | anyone here use selinux? |
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| 01:56.18 | CarlGel | richac #selinux ?? |
| 01:56.42 | richac | CarlGel: ya |
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| 02:38.58 | kc8qvp | I have a pinning question. I noticed this in my config the other day, and it strikes me as wrong. Is the last entry in my pinning config ("Pin: release o=Debian") correct? Or is that likely to miss the nginx, puppet, or other packages, and thus have packages at the default priority that I intended to be at priority -10? |
| 02:39.41 | kc8qvp | oh, forgot to paste link to config: https://gist.github.com/pprince/86397082662a13fc7ad7 |
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| 02:43.32 | dondelelcaro | kitex4: you probably actually want them to be at priority 100, not -10. |
| 02:43.55 | dondelelcaro | kitex4: and there's no real reason to have squeeze and wheezy listed with priorities; they'll be at 990. |
| 02:44.09 | dondelelcaro | s/kite4/kc8qvp/ |
| 02:44.50 | kc8qvp | hrm |
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| 02:46.23 | kc8qvp | there must be a reason I did it like that; it was long enough ago that I forget any details, but I remember spending a lot of time on getting it right. |
| 02:46.39 | kc8qvp | really worried about packages that won't match "o=Debian" though |
| 02:47.15 | kc8qvp | also, where would target release be specified? I don't seem to have that configured anywhere. |
| 02:48.31 | kc8qvp | dondelelcaro: 100 instead of -10, so that those packages are automatically upgraded? |
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| 02:53.49 | richac | what repo is pulseaudio equalizer in? |
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| 02:58.37 | asarch | Why when I just "aptitude -y install" it deletes some packages? |
| 02:59.40 | asarch | Does it delete orphan packages? |
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| 03:02.50 | kc8qvp | asarch: presumably if you ran it without -y, it would explain what it was doing and ask you whether to continue. |
| 03:04.48 | arielsanflo | help error install wps-office and skype |
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| 03:04.51 | arielsanflo | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f01af72a/ |
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| 03:52.45 | nezZario | Eh |
| 03:52.53 | nezZario | So anyone get Netflix working on Debian? |
| 03:53.08 | nezZario | Keep reading headlines that it works with "chrome and ubuntu" but it seems to be just a chrome update? |
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| 04:12.31 | kc8qvp | dondelelcaro: looks like they'll be 500, unless you have a target release defined, which I correctly don't |
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| 04:37.29 | wenshan | After an upgrade recently (to fix the bash security bug), my Debian jessie/sid started to have troubles suspending the system without using `sudo pm-suspend`. `xfce4-session-logout --suspend` returns "Could not get owner of name 'org.xfce.SessionManager': no such name", `systemctl suspend` returns `Failed to get D-Bus connection: No connection to service manager.` Any idea? |
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| 05:08.03 | Resilience | hello to everyone, I'm having trouble running icedove as a remote X app. I have done in the the server xhost +<ip client> and I run icedove as /usr/bin/icedove -display <ip server>:0 and the error message is (icedove-bin:4248): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 05:20.04 | rommel092079 | hi, I have problem. i would like to update debian thru internet but it does not. it ask for cd. |
| 05:20.31 | Resilience | rommel search for apt-sources on google |
| 05:20.39 | Resilience | rommel092079, search for apt-sources on google |
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| 05:21.54 | rommel092079 | ah ok. so its also on /etc/apt/sources.list. thanks |
| 05:23.05 | Resilience | rommel092079, yes, yo have to put there the appropiate internet sources, so it will update from internet "automagically" ;D |
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| 05:26.04 | rommel092079 | ok. i am new to debian. so I am experimenting at the moment. thanks for the quick reply |
| 05:26.30 | Resilience | rommel092079, you're weollcome |
| 05:27.07 | Resilience | rommel092079, debian-handbook.info you got there the info you need ;D |
| 05:27.53 | rommel092079 | yes have already downloaded. I will print it later. |
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| 05:29.02 | Resilience | rommel092079, you don't need to. It is better to search the index, and then read about what you need |
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| 06:19.16 | flickabic | I have a server running debian, I suppose this is more of a general question. I have been racking my brain on how to have my server connect to the internet via VPN but still be able to ssh into it, or still have the box accessible in some way from the local network. Without a second nic is this possible. I am trying to use the VPN for incoming data and then transfer that data to another computer on the local network. |
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| 06:23.51 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:25.15 | flickabic | are you saying one could use iptables to re route some traffic from the virtual nic to the real nic and bypass the vpn? |
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| 06:26.55 | flickabic | thats the only think I can think of |
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| 06:28.56 | wols_ | no iptables needed or used |
| 06:29.08 | wols_ | unless you want to ip forward |
| 06:29.17 | wols_ | and your virtual NIC _is_ the VPN |
| 06:29.29 | wols_ | which VPN software do you use? |
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| 06:32.44 | OldDog | Hello all |
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| 06:35.53 | OldDog | For some few days, I observed that the USB devices stopped working on their own. I thing this is related to a USB-RS232 adapter which contains a PL2303 chip, but I'm not completely sure of this statement. Does some |
| 06:36.06 | OldDog | Does someone have already meet this kind of issue? |
| 06:36.20 | xeoncore | flickabic: Would an IP alias work? |
| 06:37.48 | xeoncore | flickabic: setup something like `eth0:0` and give it a static IP (or whatever) and then tell SSH to bind on `eth0:0`. That way you'll have a "virtual" second NIC that should always provide access to whatever local network `eth0` is on, and SSH will listen on it no matter what. |
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| 06:38.28 | xeoncore | flickabic: althought I've never had any issues access SSH via the primary IP address of a machine using a VPN... |
| 06:38.38 | xeoncore | s/althought/although/ |
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| 06:53.02 | flickabic | Sorry about the delay. wols_ I have not looked into anything other than OpenVPN, no paticular reason its just what I use on my other devices. xeoncore if that is the case I could just use my main computer with the vpn. I just assumed it tried to consume all traffic through the vpn. I have a couple services (like a website) my server hosts, those would still need to be accessible public side. |
| 06:53.51 | xeoncore | So the websites run behind the VPN? |
| 06:53.56 | flickabic | no |
| 06:54.07 | xeoncore | What would be the purpose of the VPN on the server? |
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| 06:56.01 | flickabic | I host a public service, I dont want to put this traffic behind a vpn. This is the reason I dont use a vpn on my server. However, I would like to use a vpn service to retrieve data to put onto this server. |
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| 06:57.24 | xeoncore | flickabic: so for example when `wget`'ing things or whatever? |
| 06:57.37 | flickabic | exactly, through ssh from a local computer |
| 06:58.06 | flickabic | without physical access to the device |
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| 06:58.30 | KyokoDebian | пак оÑÑаÑ
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| 06:59.01 | wols_ | flickabic: openvpn uses a virtual interface already. this interface will have your defaultroute, the normal eth0 will be your LAN interface |
| 06:59.02 | xeoncore | Okay. So let me get this. Server is "remote" and you SSH in to use it. Your main computer is local. You want to SSH in to your server over the internet, and not the vpn. Then you want to download things on the server via the VPN. |
| 06:59.47 | xeoncore | Doesn't SSH listen on 0.0.0.0 by default? So VPN or no VPN, SSH should be accessible... |
| 07:00.12 | wols_ | xeoncore: it does. but using ssh over a vpn when you have ssh already on the normal interface will work, but why would you ever do it? |
| 07:00.25 | xeoncore | I know |
| 07:00.30 | flickabic | yeah not trying to do that |
| 07:00.33 | xeoncore | Thats why im trying to figure out what he wants to do |
| 07:00.36 | flickabic | I only want the vpn to consume |
| 07:00.49 | xeoncore | So you want all incoming traffic via the VPN? |
| 07:00.53 | flickabic | trying to not have all my public services get shut off when I want to use a vpn |
| 07:00.53 | wols_ | flickabic: install a openvpn server to your remote server. connect to it. that's all you need to do |
| 07:01.05 | wols_ | why would they shut off? |
| 07:01.15 | xeoncore | wols_ I think openvpn blackholes ur main interface |
| 07:01.21 | xeoncore | as a security measure |
| 07:01.25 | xeoncore | to make sure nothing leaks |
| 07:01.26 | dondelelcaro | xeoncore: no, it doesn't. |
| 07:01.26 | flickabic | because when I turn on the vpn it consumes all my internet traffic, it trys to route my services over the vpn |
| 07:01.32 | wols_ | xeoncore: no it doesn't and it cannot |
| 07:01.35 | xeoncore | Oh okay |
| 07:01.39 | xeoncore | Just a thought. |
| 07:01.56 | wols_ | you can set teh default gateway to the VPN, then it is used by default, but even then you can still explicitly use your normal one |
| 07:02.19 | xeoncore | Turning a VPN on shouldn't affect incoming traffic to running services. |
| 07:02.26 | wols_ | flickabic: you mean when you turn on the VPN on your client? tell the VPN not to set your defaultroute, then it won't |
| 07:02.40 | xeoncore | The incoming traffic will come over the VPN if its directed at ur VPN IP, and will come over the normal internet if its directed at ur normal IP |
| 07:02.42 | wols_ | flickabic: on which host does this happen when you turn the VPN on? |
| 07:03.39 | xeoncore | wols_: What I think he means is this. He runs a server with X, Y, Z services running normally. Then on the odd occasion he wants to use a VPN client on the server to do something. When he does this, he wants to avoid X, Y and Z from putting their traffic over the VPN. |
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| 07:03.54 | flickabic | exactly |
| 07:04.05 | xeoncore | But it shouldn't really work like that. What sort of services? |
| 07:04.32 | flickabic | thats why im trying to use a rasberrypi xeoncore , and have it download to a share on my server |
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| 07:04.40 | flickabic | so im not trying to mess with traffic routes and stuff |
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| 07:05.15 | xeoncore | Lets take a nginx server for example. It will listen on 0.0.0.0. If your VPN IP is 111.111.111.111 and your normal IP is 222.222.222.222, if I connected to your web server on 111.111.111.111 then Nginx will put all traffic in that connection via the VPN. If I connected to 222.222.222.222 then it would put the traffic over ur normal connection. |
| 07:05.17 | flickabic | but then we got into why I couldnt run it on my server iteself, and if I can make it work ill let you know |
| 07:05.20 | dondelelcaro | VPN doesn't necessarily require you to route all non-VPN traffic over the VPN. |
| 07:05.37 | flickabic | xeoncore: thanks for that information |
| 07:06.31 | xeoncore | let me put it this way flickabic: If you have a service that LISTENS for connections, the traffic will come over whichever interface the client connects to. If they connect to the IP of the VPN, it will come across the VPN. If it connects to the normal IP, it won't. |
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| 07:07.06 | xeoncore | Starting a VPN up shouldn't affect any services that are listening. |
| 07:08.26 | flickabic | That's really nifty, I am using the CyberGhost app on one device, and I figured vpns blocked all local traffic, when it's really just the app. |
| 07:08.49 | xeoncore | Yea. |
| 07:09.05 | xeoncore | VPNs are a different story when it comes to services that listen. |
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| 07:09.40 | xeoncore | I'm not sure what the case is for things that open outbound connections, like downloading something via curl or whatever, but even then, you can tell curl which IP/Interface to bind to when it opens the connection |
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| 07:10.52 | xeoncore | (FWIW, if you wanna bind curl, use --interface ;]) |
| 07:10.55 | flickabic | hmm, thats going to be interesting. In my head I want the vpn to be on a seperate device that will only communicate outbound with the vpn |
| 07:11.18 | flickabic | then still be able to save a share locally, hold on though im trying this out on my test server |
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| 07:11.29 | xeoncore | Yea it should all work how u want it to |
| 07:11.46 | xeoncore | Lets say u have a Samba server/share, it should still be accessible locally when the VPN is on. |
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| 07:39.15 | sadtaco | Ugh. Disk is full. Of logs I guess |
| 07:39.39 | sadtaco | 14 gb /var/ directory.. |
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| 07:50.23 | Glanzmann | Hello; has someone a Link to a google-chrome deb that does not segfault on Debian Wheezy x86? |
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| 07:55.52 | Glanzmann | ?? google-chrome |
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| 07:59.53 | flickabic | https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/?platform=linux&extra=devchannel |
| 08:00.06 | flickabic | go here, click download, then 64 deb |
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| 08:01.32 | flickabic | too little too late |
| 08:01.52 | xeoncore | flickabic: He wanted x86 anyway... |
| 08:02.26 | flickabic | he wanted to not get x86 |
| 08:02.41 | flickabic | oh nevermind |
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| 08:03.16 | xeoncore | No.. He wanted something that didn't segfault on x86 ;) |
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| 08:06.41 | Xxaxx | hello. where can I find packages database in filesystem as file ? |
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| 08:20.24 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Xxaxx about status file |
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| 08:38.50 | Ademan | I'm using the net installer to install debian jessie to a computer. I've configured a software raid 0 using /dev/sda and /dev/sdb. It's now prompting me to write the MBR. I *assume* I should write to /dev/md (which I'm assuming is the software raid device) |
| 08:38.57 | Ademan | is that correct? |
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| 08:41.04 | jelly-home | Ademan: you can try, but I don't think grub will know how to boot off that |
| 08:41.17 | rcsheets | I'd be moderately surprised if that worked |
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| 08:42.38 | tdn | When I do an apt-get update, I see this error: Err http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main Sources --> 404 Not Found [IP: 2001:a78:5:0:216:35ff:fe7f:be4f 80] |
| 08:42.40 | jelly-home | Ademan: using whole disks for md raid0 probably isn't a good configuration to boot from. |
| 08:42.42 | Ademan | SORRY, raid 1, huge difference in this case... |
| 08:42.56 | Ademan | it's late and I'm sleepy... heh |
| 08:43.01 | tdn | Is that a problem that will go away by it self? Or is something wrong on my part? Is has been like that fore a few days now. |
| 08:43.19 | tdn | I am a bit worried that I do not receive security updates. |
| 08:43.21 | jelly-home | tdn: sounds like a proxy issue |
| 08:43.42 | tdn | jelly-home, AFAIK, I do not use proxy? Is it a revese proxy on security.debian.org? |
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| 08:44.54 | jelly-home | tdn: might be a DNS caching issue, too |
| 08:44.55 | rozie | Ademan: think twice before you use raid0. it's "eat my data" configuration |
| 08:44.57 | rcsheets | I don't see 2001:a78:5:0:216:35ff:fe7f:be4f when I look up security.debian.org. Is it expected that different clients get different DNS answers? |
| 08:45.31 | rcsheets | tdn: do you always see the same IP address when you get these 404 errors? |
| 08:45.43 | tdn | jelly-home, but it has been like this for a few days now. Maybe even a week. Shouldnt DNS cache issues be gone after 24 hours normally? |
| 08:45.47 | Ademan | rozie: yeah, I'm using RAID 1, I have no idea why I said RAID 0 initially |
| 08:45.53 | tdn | rcsheets, yes. Do you have IPv6? |
| 08:46.08 | rozie | rcsheets: how do you check, what do you see? |
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| 08:46.19 | rcsheets | 'host security.debian.org' |
| 08:46.22 | Bluewolf | Hi, What program do I use to make a USB Drive a bootable Os and would anyone be able to guide me through it as I have not done this before? |
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| 08:46.32 | rozie | and your output is...? |
| 08:46.33 | rcsheets | I see this... |
| 08:46.35 | rcsheets | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/gdrWWDIf |
| 08:46.37 | jelly-home | Ademan: that seems reasonable, but last time I tried that (admittedly, 2-3 years ago) grub did not like the whole-disk-raid1 setup |
| 08:47.00 | tdn | rcsheets, there appears to be some dns round robin strategy: http://paste.yt/p3188.html |
| 08:47.03 | rcsheets | Ademan: i think it's more likely to work with raid 1. i might be doing that myself. |
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| 08:47.33 | jelly-home | rcsheets: "dig security.debian.org ANY", host command is less conclusive |
| 08:47.51 | Ademan | yeah I mean afaik with full disk raid 1, the entire disk should be identical, so at worst it would read the mbr of one of them and still work |
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| 08:48.09 | rcsheets | jelly-home: less conclusive? how? |
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| 08:48.56 | rozie | rcsheets: the same I get when I use 8.8.8.8 NS |
| 08:49.15 | jelly-home | rcsheets: there are at least two different host implementations, and they don't tell a lot of relevant info (like whether they used recursion or not, or which server they asked) |
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| 08:49.19 | rewsfd | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.26 | rewsfd | would like to cluster all the unused space into one new drive |
| 08:49.32 | rewsfd | thats fast enough to run virtual machine image off |
| 08:49.33 | rozie | but when I use my cache I get 2001:a78:5:1:216:35ff:fe7f:6ceb and 2001:a78:5:0:216:35ff:fe7f:be4f round robin |
| 08:49.38 | rewsfd | any suggestions |
| 08:50.02 | jelly-home | Ademan: if you or the installer used a md metadata format which places the md info at the beginning of the disk, there might be no place to store MBR at all |
| 08:50.11 | rozie | rewsfd: ceph should be able to do this |
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| 08:50.28 | rcsheets | jelly-home: 'host -v' gives plenty of information if you need it. at least, mine does. |
| 08:51.26 | Dagger | tdn: pastebin your sources.list file? |
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| 08:52.21 | tdn | Dagger, http://paste.yt/p3189.html |
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| 08:52.25 | jelly-home | rcsheets: tbh I don't remember the reasons why host was deprecated |
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| 08:52.42 | rewsfd | thanks rozie, have been looking into tahoe-lafs but it seems dodgy |
| 08:52.58 | rcsheets | jelly-home: I'm not convinced it was deprecated. As far as I knew, it's the recommended replacement for nslookup, unless you need more sophistication a la dig. |
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| 08:53.28 | tdn | jelly-home, is it actually depricated? As it, it will go away entirely at some point? As far as I understand, it is just that dig is prefered over host? |
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| 08:54.17 | Dagger | tdn: hm, ok, that matches mine, and I'm not getting 404s (although apt-get's using 2001:a78:5:1:216:35ff:fe7f:6ceb instead of :0:) |
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| 08:54.49 | jelly-home | tdn: deprecated as in "don't use that, this is more appropriate" |
| 08:55.03 | Dagger | tdn: dig and host are part of the same package. host gives a short overview of IPs for the hostname, dig gives tons of extra output |
| 08:55.19 | tdn | jelly-home, ok. It is just that I might have a bunch of shellscripts that are using host. And I would really hate to rewrite them all if it is not necessary. |
| 08:55.22 | rcsheets | Dagger: they're from different packages on my system. |
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| 08:55.44 | tdn | Dagger, exactly. This is the reason that I normally use host in shellscripts. |
| 08:56.02 | rcsheets | Dagger: oh sorry, same source package. |
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| 08:56.25 | Dagger | rcsheets: same... yeah, that. they're both part of bind |
| 08:56.50 | rozie | rewsfd: ceph was in development when I last checked. and didn't play much with it myself |
| 08:57.00 | jelly-home | there used to be a second "host" package implementation |
| 08:57.02 | Ademan | welp I'm gonna crash and give it a whirl tomorrow |
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| 09:01.04 | rcsheets | if i'm doing this search right, there seems to be only one package in debian that provides 'host' ... https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=wheezy&arch=any&mode=exactfilename&searchon=contents&keywords=host |
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| 09:04.08 | Dagger | tdn: for scripts, `getent ahosts` might be better, since it also obeys /etc/nsswitch.conf (e.g. means it'll read /etc/hosts) |
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| 09:08.14 | Dagger | (and it's less of a pain to parse) |
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| 09:19.19 | Badun | I haven't used (or updated) my debian box in quite a while. Now I want to update it It got unresovled dependencies: libc6-dbg : Depends on: libc6 (= 2.15-0ubuntu20) but 2.13-38+deb7u1 ist installed. |
| 09:19.31 | tdn | Dagger, I did not know that one. Usually I really want to do a dns lookup when I run host. |
| 09:19.47 | Badun | I don't think I ever had ubuntu source in my sources, and cerantly do not have them now. |
| 09:21.00 | Badun | Does anybody else experience this? Is this a mistake the package author made? |
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| 09:23.32 | uu91 | http://paste.debian.net/125798/ -- how can I get X back to working? It used to be working until I just rebooted. Not sure which of the upgrades prior to the reboot could have caused this |
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| 09:24.11 | jelly-home | Badun: it's not. The only way to get that is to have installed some libc6* packages from ubuntu. |
| 09:24.13 | tremon | Badun: please paste the output of apt-cache policy, and apt-cache policy libc6 libc6-dbg |
| 09:25.58 | Bluewolf | What program do I use to make a Live Bootable USB Flash Drive, preferably that is not complicated? |
| 09:26.16 | jelly-home | Bluewolf: a custom live image of your own? |
| 09:26.49 | jelly-home | Bluewolf: or just the usual ready-made debian live? |
| 09:27.30 | jelly-home | !tell Bluewolf about debian-live |
| 09:27.47 | rewsfd | ceph seems to be written for debian, would it run on mac osx without virtualization? |
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| 09:28.04 | Bluewolf | jelly-home: Ah an Opensuse 13.1 Gnome Live, I'm working in Debian now and I don't know how to go about it? |
| 09:28.23 | Badun | http://pastebin.ca/2858326 |
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| 09:28.52 | Badun | It seems I once installed a ubuntu package for this. I should know better, a very bad idea. |
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| 09:28.55 | tremon | rewsfd: probably better to ask the ceph people. But I don't think it's written for Debian specifically, it targets all linux platforms (not sure about other unices) |
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| 09:29.52 | jelly-home | Bluewolf: if you have the image downloaded, find out the device node of your usb stick (lsblk command might be helpful), and just cp whatever.iso /dev/sdx (where /dev/sdx is the usb stick) |
| 09:30.24 | jelly-home | Bluewolf: probably a better idea to ask the opensuse people whether this is the right approach |
| 09:30.53 | tremon | Badun: Probably. You can force a downgrade of the -dbg package using apt-get install libc6{,-dbg}/stable, as long as it's only the -dbg package it should cause issues |
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| 09:31.12 | tremon | err, should /not/ cause issues |
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| 09:33.15 | Bluewolf | jelly-home: Yeah I have the image downloaded. Okay I will ask there, I just asked here to find out what program could do it in Debian as am currently running in it? |
| 09:33.46 | Badun | Ok, that seems to work, even plenty of packages (g++, clang, chicken, stalin, kdevelop....) are deinstalled. But anyway, I can reinstall them later. |
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| 09:35.35 | traintop | Hi Folks! -I have a question concerning source-code-packets; I googled for the latest svgalib and it seems the guys from debian manag this one; where or how can I get the source-code? -Thanks in advance :-) |
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| 09:36.02 | jelly-home | Bluewolf: it might be written with dd or cp or cat, all common linux tools |
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| 09:37.27 | jelly-home | ,v chicken |
| 09:37.28 | judd | No package named 'chicken' was found in i386. |
| 09:37.44 | Bluewolf | jelly-home: Through the terminal, this is uncharted waters for me. I have never done this before :( |
| 09:37.45 | jelly-home | Badun: there is no chicken in debian at all! :-) |
| 09:38.58 | Froolap | why can't I just have a version of linux that runs without color? color in vi(m) ls, awk, sed, does me no good. booting up to gui is annoying at best. |
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| 09:39.22 | Badun | jelly-home, https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/chicken-bin |
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| 09:39.54 | jelly-home | Froolap: you can set the TERM environment variable to a reasonably compatible but colorless terminal, like vt100 |
| 09:40.29 | jelly-home | Froolap: if in X, xterm-mono might be appropriate |
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| 09:40.58 | Froolap | I don't want to see X, at all. I use x 3 times a year. |
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| 09:42.29 | Froolap | I would rather boot to cli, but removing gdm from rc.* as the web search indicates diesn't do it, |
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| 09:42.49 | traintop | concernig my question about svgalib; am I right that I have to downlaod the latest "original" tarball, download the latest *-debian.tar.gz and apply all the patches included in this tarball in the order suggested by the numbering? |
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| 09:43.33 | jelly-home | !tell Froolap about nodm |
| 09:43.38 | vlayn | hi |
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| 09:48.34 | ampleyfly | after a dist-upgrade in jessie, i get " |
| 09:48.39 | ampleyfly | disregard that |
| 09:49.45 | Froolap | well what if I don't want to startx at boot? aptitude remove xdm sounds to me like breaking something so it will never function again..... |
| 09:50.21 | Froolap | rather that a just don't do that when you boot.... |
| 09:51.02 | OldDog | For some few days, I observed that the USB devices stopped working on their own. I thing this is related to a USB-RS232 adapter which contains a PL2303 chip, but I'm not completely sure of this statement. Does someone have already meet this kind of issue? |
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| 09:53.23 | Froolap | I am seeing a usb failed to enumerate upon boot. |
| 09:54.05 | Froolap | makes the machine lag for about 2 minutes while it tries to resolve before it gives up. |
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| 10:10.35 | yskapell | Hello |
| 10:10.41 | yskapell | I have debian stable 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.60-1+deb7u3 |
| 10:10.50 | yskapell | but I cannot tyoe from usb keyboard |
| 10:10.55 | yskapell | any idea how to fix it? |
| 10:11.21 | yskapell | usb mouse work but not the keyboard |
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| 10:17.08 | babilen | dpkg: tell Froolap -about nodm |
| 10:17.37 | Froolap | again? |
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| 10:18.07 | yskapell | any idea on my issue? |
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| 10:19.26 | Froolap | yskapell: have you tried using a different usb port? |
| 10:20.23 | Xxaxx | jelly-home: thank you |
| 10:20.39 | Xxaxx | how do I find why my resolv.conf changes from time to time(something about hour) ? |
| 10:20.45 | babilen | Froolap: What do you mean with "again?" ? Have you been told that before? |
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| 10:21.11 | yskapell | same keyboard on other distro works |
| 10:21.25 | yskapell | other keyboard on debian is not working |
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| 10:22.35 | Froolap | yeah, Jelly sent that link also. sounds to me like it's breaking things rather than just don't do that when you boot. |
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| 10:26.05 | babilen | I don't quite follow. Which of the three offered solutions are you referring to and why do you have a DM installed if you don't want to use it in the first place? |
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| 10:27.20 | Froolap | There's a difference between You MUst Use this...... and it's there if you want it, you won't notice it if you don't. |
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| 10:28.59 | Froolap | The machine is intended to be run in a closet. I very rarely actually sit in front of it..... but yes, sometimes it is nice to cut and paste an error into a web server from the machine that is having the problem. |
| 10:29.20 | babilen | Okay, so which of the three approaches are you referring to? |
| 10:31.33 | Froolap | Just remove the DM package(s) sounds like it's broken aand won't work any more..... echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager sounds like I can't start it by hand even if I want to and in 6 months it will be a bugger to figure out why it don't work...... |
| 10:31.50 | Froolap | or just hit ctrl-alt-fN is really hard to do on a server 20 miles away. |
| 10:31.56 | yskapell | usb modules are loaded... cannot figure out |
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| 10:34.22 | jelly-home | Froolap: if it's 20 miles away, wth do you need a DM?! |
| 10:35.04 | babilen | (or how about actually trying the approach(es)) |
| 10:35.42 | Froolap | Like I said, SOMETIMES, it is nice to be able to use a web browser...... not often, but ya know, 3 times a year.... I don't want to lose the optyion, just because I don't intend to use it every day. |
| 10:36.32 | themill | You've got your options. Perhaps it's time to experiment with them rather than arguing about getting answers to your questions. |
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| 10:37.43 | jelly-home | Froolap: put a postit on the server on how to reenable the DM, or a notice in your motd or shell rc file, if you think you'll be incapable of figuring it out |
| 10:38.11 | Froolap | That sounds to me like my options are to break it, or find a different distro..... Terrible of me to ask if I was understanding you correctly and see if there was some way I could NOT boot into a GUI and still have the ability to use a GUI. |
| 10:38.13 | jelly-home | Froolap: this isn't rocket science |
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| 10:39.00 | jelly-home | Froolap: by all means, please find a different distro if you're unable to make one line documentation for your config |
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| 10:44.01 | heurist | Froolap: I missed most of the discussion, but you can have no DM and just run startx at the terminal when you want a GUI. or you can install a DM and disable its starting at boot, then you would just service $dmname start at the terminal or remotely before you go to the box to have a DM running when you want it. stop it again when you are done. would that suit your needs? |
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| 10:47.07 | Froolap | heurist: Maaybe I'm not understanding. but to me DM = Desktop Manager and if I have deleted the desktop manager then startx from terminal will crash or yeild ungood results. |
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| 10:47.49 | Froolap | and if the only way to not boot into gui is to make X crash........ that would be a problem |
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| 10:48.32 | heurist | Froolap: the DM is the Desktop Manager. it handles the login part. It then launches your WM, which is your Window Manager which is that you think of as the GUI. they are separate packages. |
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| 10:50.10 | heurist | Froolap: disabling the DM with update-rc.d gdm disable will just make gdm not run at boot. you can then run service gdm start to make it start this once and be exactly the same as if it started at boot. |
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| 10:55.39 | Froolap | I'll make a note of that, thanks. |
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| 10:57.55 | jwtiyar | gnome is not loading on my debian |
| 10:58.09 | jwtiyar | now i installed debian |
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| 11:50.09 | likecolacola | Hey... i was using VirtualBox 4.1 from Wheezy repos.. but then i needed a feature from VB 4.3 so i downloaded the correct .deb package from www.virtualbox.org, well it worked perfectly but now everytime i restart my OS and try to run virtualbox this messsage shows up : |
| 11:50.11 | likecolacola | The vboxdrv kernel module is not loaded. Either there is no module |
| 11:50.11 | likecolacola | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:50.11 | likecolacola | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:50.34 | likecolacola | then i have to do sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup or sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv start |
| 11:50.37 | likecolacola | so that it will work again |
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| 11:51.00 | likecolacola | every time i restart the pc.. |
| 11:51.15 | meaneye | Do you do setup with sudo? |
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| 11:52.48 | likecolacola | yes, VB displays me that setup command with sudo, if i try to do it without sudo it fails "permission denied" |
| 11:53.10 | likecolacola | it.d/vboxdrv: cannot create /var/log/vbox-install.log: Permission denied |
| 11:53.11 | likecolacola | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.43 | likecolacola | Trying to register the VirtualBox kernel modules using DKMS/etc/init.d/vboxdrv: 327: /etc/init.d/vboxdrv: cannot create /var/log/vbox-install.log: Permission denied |
| 11:53.43 | likecolacola | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.43 | likecolacola | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.43 | likecolacola | Recompiling VirtualBox kernel modules/etc/init.d/vboxdrv: 334: /etc/init.d/vboxdrv: cannot create /var/log/vbox-install.log: Permission denied |
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| 11:54.26 | likecolacola | sorry for the spam.. |
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| 11:54.39 | bint | hi there |
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| 11:55.21 | r3n1c0n | hi |
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| 11:56.12 | bint | i'm very new to linux - when a new version of debian is released, is it possible to upgrade your old eg. squeeze to wheezy without losing apps and data? |
| 11:56.43 | likecolacola | meaneye, here is the output of setup without sudo http://paste.debian.net/125816/ |
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| 11:57.24 | meaneye | You need to do sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup |
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| 11:57.49 | meaneye | Compiling modules and inserting them in to kernel requires super user. |
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| 11:59.06 | likecolacola | meaneye, yes.. if i do it with sudo it works perfectly and VB runs all okey but then when i restart the computer i have the same problem all over again |
| 11:59.24 | meaneye | Hm, that's strange. |
| 11:59.34 | meaneye | Can you post output when you do it with sudo? |
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| 12:02.04 | likecolacola | sure |
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| 12:02.38 | likecolacola | also, doing start instead of setup also works perfectly |
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| 12:04.01 | likecolacola | a friend in this channel told me that it's that debian dropped sysv init compatibility |
| 12:04.41 | likecolacola | so i am going to look for the packages that get sysv init compatibility back... as he suggested |
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| 12:05.20 | likecolacola | http://paste.debian.net/125818/ |
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| 12:05.38 | likecolacola | meaneye, there is the output with sudo |
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| 12:05.57 | meaneye | You boot with the same kernel every time right? |
| 12:06.11 | meaneye | Which Debian? Testing and Unstable are on SystemD now. |
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| 12:13.02 | jelly-home | likecolacola: you shouldn't have to rerun /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup every reboot, only when the kernel abi is changed. |
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| 12:22.48 | cloudowind | well i just installed vim and it works fine |
| 12:22.53 | cloudowind | but something wrong with vi :) |
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| 12:23.15 | meaneye | cloudowind, vi = vim |
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| 12:23.22 | cloudowind | well not really mate |
| 12:23.32 | cloudowind | i got vi and i got vim:) |
| 12:23.35 | heurist | cloudowind: see :help compatible |
| 12:23.45 | meaneye | In Debian it does, it's the same executable. Different settings though. |
| 12:23.46 | cloudowind | ok |
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| 12:24.09 | meaneye | it is* |
| 12:24.09 | meaneye | ;D; |
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| 12:24.40 | cloudowind | then there was a problem with my vi calling and it was running vi with some stupid settings and i couldnt find setting for vi , i tried .bashrc , nothing there i tried env and set nothing there..did man to vi couldnt find anything |
| 12:24.58 | cloudowind | then installed the vim and it works as like vi supposed to work:) |
| 12:25.06 | meaneye | Can you explain the behavior. |
| 12:25.17 | cloudowind | anyway i am happy with my debian so far , much more bright than kali |
| 12:25.17 | meaneye | What in specific was different. |
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| 12:25.34 | heurist | cloudowind: you were running vim-tiny. it defaults to compatible more. you could say :set nocompatible and have it behave more like the vim you know. |
| 12:25.49 | cloudowind | well when i run vi , it was acting weired , foreaxample backspace wasnt deleting and the arrows keys were not functional |
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| 12:26.05 | cloudowind | when i use them it was printing charecters , sort of things |
| 12:26.09 | meaneye | cloudowind, that is Vi. Original Vi. |
| 12:26.11 | themill | that's because vi doesn't support those sorts of thigns |
| 12:26.21 | cloudowind | uhm |
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| 12:28.54 | likecolacola | meaneye, Debian Wheezy standard |
| 12:29.03 | meaneye | cloudowind, you have to remember that in time of Vi, there were no arrows. http://xahlee.info/kbd/i/lm/Space-Cadet_keyboard_2.jpg |
| 12:29.25 | meaneye | Wrong terminal keyboard, but you get the point ;) |
| 12:29.27 | likecolacola | jelly-home, yes.. i do /etc/init.d/vboxdrv start every reboot... because if i don't do it, VB won't start |
| 12:29.32 | cloudowind | oopst it makes sense now |
| 12:29.58 | cloudowind | hey is this normal?update-rc.d ssh disable |
| 12:29.58 | cloudowind | update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing |
| 12:29.58 | cloudowind | insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `ssh' overrides LSB defaults (2 3 4 5). |
| 12:30.01 | cloudowind | insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (2 3 4 5) of script `ssh' overrides LSB defaults (empty). |
| 12:30.36 | jelly-home | cloudowind: yes. |
| 12:30.43 | cloudowind | ok |
| 12:31.07 | cloudowind | thanks alot folks meaneye , heurist as usual thanks mate..jelly thanks to you too , love you guys |
| 12:31.12 | cloudowind | will have a shower just came from work |
| 12:31.17 | meaneye | cloudowind, ;) have fun! |
| 12:31.19 | meaneye | and yw. |
| 12:31.34 | meaneye | likecolacola, Hm, strange behavior indeed. |
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| 12:31.47 | meaneye | likecolacola, Did you try reinstalling VBox? |
| 12:33.00 | jelly-home | meaneye: why would that make any difference |
| 12:34.12 | meaneye | jelly-home, It shouldn't but then again, it shouldn't behave as it is behaving right now. |
| 12:34.15 | jelly-home | likecolacola: it's possible the vendor package did not enable the service at all |
| 12:35.03 | jelly-home | likecolacola: does any symlink matching /etc/rc?.d/S??vboxdrv exist? |
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| 12:41.30 | bint | i dont understand .bashrc and etc/bashrc |
| 12:41.54 | bint | /etc/bashrc is global for all users aslong as the user doesn't use ~/.bashrc right? |
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| 12:42.39 | cloudowind | as far as i know |
| 12:43.31 | likecolacola | jelly-home, sorry i don't know how to do that |
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| 12:45.33 | jelly-home | likecolacola: ls -ld /etc/rc?.d/S??vboxdrv |
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| 12:48.03 | heurist | likecolacola: I think the file that loads the vbox modules is called "virtualbox" these days, not "vboxdrv". so try ls -ld /etc/rc{2..5}.d/S??virtualbox as well |
| 12:48.23 | cloudowind | :p |
| 12:48.52 | cloudowind | god knows who is who and which is which in these days:D |
| 12:48.59 | cloudowind | even maybe hes confused too |
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| 12:49.30 | yskapell | I replug my keyboard and in dmesg I have [11275.396692] generic-usb: probe of 0003:04D9:A055.0006 failed with error -22 |
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| 12:50.24 | AR45 | Is Ubuntu better than Debian/ |
| 12:50.27 | AR45 | ? |
| 12:50.35 | Windy | u trolling bro? |
| 12:50.55 | meaneye | AR45, :) "better" is subjective. |
| 12:51.22 | cloudowind | i like the name debian |
| 12:51.29 | cloudowind | its like a taf girl name |
| 12:51.33 | meaneye | It is. |
| 12:51.36 | meaneye | Partially at least. |
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| 12:51.45 | Windy | its a combination of Deb (short for debra) and Ian |
| 12:51.46 | meaneye | Debra + Ian :) |
| 12:51.51 | jelly-home | AR45: given the channel you're in, what do you expect the answer to be, eh |
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| 12:51.53 | cloudowind | wow |
| 12:51.55 | cloudowind | didnt know that |
| 12:52.23 | rommel092079 | yes that is the first topic in the debian book |
| 12:52.23 | Windy | i've always pronounced it deebian though... |
| 12:52.26 | AR45 | meaneye, I want to know.. because Ubuntu is based on Debian and is consider more update so tell me why do you guys chose not to use it? |
| 12:52.41 | themill | dpkg: tell AR45 about why debian |
| 12:52.56 | grobda24 | Hi, I'm running Testing bit Aptitude refuses to upgrade anything unless I'm installing something and it suggests a solution. I have checked my sources file. |
| 12:53.09 | likecolacola | jelly-home, http://paste.debian.net/125823/ |
| 12:53.15 | likecolacola | heurist, thanks |
| 12:53.33 | themill | grobda24: you probably need a dist-upgrade in any case... and you might need to be using apt-get not aptitude there |
| 12:53.49 | meaneye | AR45, well I run Debian testing, it's a rolling distro meaning I don't have to reinstall every 6 months. So latest software, stable and I don' |
| 12:53.51 | cloudowind | that makes it more special now..has love in it:) |
| 12:53.54 | meaneye | Don't have to wait for backports. |
| 12:54.13 | likecolacola | hehehe, i am sick :<... that lowers the discovering spirit :P |
| 12:54.13 | AR45 | backports? |
| 12:54.19 | jelly-home | likecolacola: but no vboxdrv links? |
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| 12:54.39 | rommel092079 | sorry I have to post here too coz I cant post in httpd. hello, I am using debian and I am new to it. I have been using httpd but still beginner. I would like to ask if I can configure httpd/apache to use the same ip and port for two or more websites? |
| 12:54.47 | grobda24 | thelamest, hi, no it was aptitude, and I've tried "sudo apt-get upgrade" and "dist-upgrade". |
| 12:54.59 | AR45 | meaneye, how often does it break? |
| 12:55.01 | marvin-hh | What does apt-key add do when a key already exists? |
| 12:55.01 | meaneye | AR45, Say, Gnome gets updated. Ubuntu doesn't pull those updates as they have feature freeze. So in order to get the latest software you either don't use Ubuntu or have to wait for 6 months. Backports is a repository where some of the software is updated but not all. |
| 12:55.18 | themill | grobda24: perhaps you can pastebin the entire output of "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 12:55.29 | marvin-hh | Why can I do apt-key del thisdoesnotexist and it still doesn't even warn that it didn't exist in the first place? |
| 12:55.34 | meaneye | AR45, Debian Testing for me so far in 2 years, once and that was ABI change with nVidia driver. Solution was to temporarily switch to open source one and that's it. |
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| 12:56.17 | grobda24 | themill, the usual "calculating upgrade" messages and then - "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded." |
| 12:56.22 | AR45 | meaneye, nice.. I have ubuntu minimal installed on my macbook 2010 and with the gnome-core |
| 12:56.24 | heurist | rommel092079: yes youcan. if by httpd you mean apache, then see http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/ |
| 12:56.36 | AR45 | I didn't know I have to wait 6 months for updates |
| 12:56.40 | themill | grobda24: perhaps you can pastebin some output where something is not working there... |
| 12:56.49 | AR45 | isn't there some ppa for the bleeding edge? |
| 12:57.10 | rommel092079 | heurist: yes apache. |
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| 12:57.48 | likecolacola | jelly-home, nope.. ls: cannot access /etc/rc?.d/S??vboxdrv: No such file or directory |
| 12:57.57 | jelly-home | likecolacola: hm. Care to look up which packages those two init scripts belong to? |
| 12:58.11 | jelly-home | likecolacola: dpkg -S /etc/init.d/{vboxdrv,virtualbox} |
| 12:58.32 | grobda24 | themill, thanks, here: http://pastebin.com/M3pEVABx suggests upgrades but "apt-get upgrade" never upgrades them. |
| 12:58.38 | grobda24 | scratches his head |
| 12:59.50 | themill | grobda24: what's the output of "apt-cache policy" |
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| 13:00.33 | likecolacola | jelly, http://paste.debian.net/125824/ |
| 13:00.38 | rommel092079 | heurist: it states same ip address but it did not mention the same port too. can it be like I have one ip address and they share same port 80? |
| 13:00.39 | cloudowind | 500 all of them in my policy themill |
| 13:01.19 | likecolacola | jelly-home, http://paste.debian.net/125824/ |
| 13:01.19 | cloudowind | i just have a 100 next to my /var/lib/dkpg/status rest is http adresses and there are 500 next to them...as i dont know what that number means |
| 13:01.34 | jelly-home | likecolacola: and which one of those two is actually installed? |
| 13:02.07 | jelly-home | likecolacola: dpkg -l virtualbox-4.3 virtualbox | tail -n 2 |
| 13:02.23 | grobda24 | themill, http://pastebin.com/55ub8raV |
| 13:02.50 | heurist | rommel092079: yes <VirtualHost 123.456.789.10:80> ... will specify port 80. the syntax is standard IP:port notation. |
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| 13:03.27 | likecolacola | jelly-home, http://paste.debian.net/125825/ |
| 13:04.01 | likecolacola | they might be VB 4.1 and 4.3? |
| 13:04.53 | jelly-home | likecolacola: alright then, so "virtualbox" package is removed and only the conffiles are in place. Purge it to clean up the duplicate init scripts. "dpkg --purge virtualbox" or "aptitude purge virtualbox" |
| 13:04.57 | likecolacola | i first installed/used 4.1... later i needed some new features from 4.3 and uninstalled 4.1 and installed 43... it worked perfectly but then happened this thing that when reboot, i have to do the /etc/init.d/vb~ start thing |
| 13:05.02 | meaneye | AR45, yes, it's called Debian Testing. :) Other than Unity, some binary drivers ... Ubuntu is pretty much Debian with makeup. |
| 13:05.10 | themill | grobda24: I wouldn't be surprised to learn that your non-debian multimedia repos there are part of the problem. I don't know why you don't have the current libdvdnav4 installed there already |
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| 13:05.48 | grobda24 | themill, ah, right, so turn those off, try again ? |
| 13:05.52 | cloudowind | yea his sources are strange |
| 13:05.54 | meaneye | AR45, You do have to note that Debian Testing is "testing". It's not as polished as Ubuntu. |
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| 13:06.02 | jelly-home | likecolacola: then enable the vboxdrv service to run at boot, with something like "update-rc.d vboxdrv enable" |
| 13:06.55 | AR45 | so testing is the equivalent to the pre-released updates on Ubuntu |
| 13:06.55 | likecolacola | jelly-home, i am doing the purge thing... realizing that my VB will work with that line of code "start" is okey, i could automatize it, but since it's a working environment i don't prefer not to use broken stuff |
| 13:07.24 | themill | dpkg: tell grobda24 about not available |
| 13:07.47 | likecolacola | jelly-home, i am somewhat new to the purge concept.. it's not like i don't want to learn but more like i started using linux some months ago.. |
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| 13:08.10 | meaneye | AR45, Yes. What Canonical does with Ubuntu is they take packages from Debian until some point. Then they do feature freeze where they stop pulling things from Debian and start fixing bugs and optimizing for release. |
| 13:08.10 | likecolacola | jelly-home, now that it's purged, since i don't want to screw things up... now should i just check if vb works? |
| 13:08.53 | jelly-home | likecolacola: enable the vboxdrv service first. Then you can try and reboot to see if it gets started automatically |
| 13:09.04 | grobda24 | themattbeballin, thanks, just removed all the non-deb ones, still the same |
| 13:09.38 | cloudowind | well ive been using linux when there were redhat 4.2 and when we were compiling boink.c and land.c but i feel like i still know nothing:D |
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| 13:09.53 | cloudowind | 15 years i would say... |
| 13:10.43 | cloudowind | there was rootshell.com at that times |
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| 13:11.25 | Glee5 | I tried to uninstall (reinstall) alsa/pulseaudio yesterday, apt insisted on uninstalling 100 other packages with it, I didn't read them all before I typed Y (didn't know what else to do anyway), and apt uninstalled Gnome among others. can I re-install Gnome without re-installing Debian? |
| 13:11.44 | likecolacola | jelly-home, okey.... really thanks for your invaluable service... i am now going to reboot, see what happends and as last resort i will automate the start line so that i don't have to type it every time |
| 13:11.54 | likecolacola | brb |
| 13:12.07 | AR45 | meaneye, btw.. gnome 3 is actually really good... |
| 13:12.17 | dvs | Glee5: Of course! |
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| 13:12.54 | meaneye | AR45, Depending on which version. 3.14 is decent although Wayland version is still wonky. |
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| 13:13.50 | Glee5 | dvs: and I don't have LAN access to Internet, and I believe Gnome was handling my WLAN connections, so I'm connected to WLAN through Windows atm |
| 13:14.03 | AR45 | meaneye, not sure which I have. |
| 13:14.13 | meaneye | AR45, in Ubuntu? |
| 13:14.19 | AR45 | meaneye, yes |
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| 13:14.58 | meaneye | AR45, Doubt it's newer than 3.12 but then again depends if you have the latest Ubuntu. |
| 13:15.46 | AR45 | meaneye, no command to check? |
| 13:15.52 | AR45 | meaneye, I tried gnome --version |
| 13:16.13 | Glee5 | dvs: meaning I believe I don't have apt-get available. still possible? |
| 13:16.17 | meaneye | gnome-shell --version |
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| 13:16.20 | dvs | Glee5: That makes configuring harder. There should be examples in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples |
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| 13:16.37 | cloudowind | grobda24: are your debian repositories? |
| 13:16.40 | cloudowind | correct |
| 13:16.42 | AR45 | 3.10 |
| 13:16.51 | cloudowind | they look weired to me |
| 13:17.16 | grobda24 | cloudowind, define "weird" |
| 13:17.39 | AR45 | meaneye, crap time to figure out how to get 3.14 lol |
| 13:17.44 | cloudowind | weird |
| 13:17.56 | meaneye | AR45, In Ubuntu it's not something I'd recommend. |
| 13:18.02 | AR45 | hm.. |
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| 13:18.22 | AR45 | meaneye, but in debian |
| 13:18.28 | AR45 | meaneye, you'd recommend it? |
| 13:19.00 | meaneye | AR45, In Debian Testing you get it by default. It's maybe few weeks behind Debian Unstable. Debian Stable is a different story. |
| 13:21.03 | likecolacola | jelly-home, the "problem" remains the same.. a guy suggested that my debian had dropped sysv init compatibility and that VB came only with a sysv init script |
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| 13:21.49 | likecolacola | jelly-home, to be honest i think this is too much for me to handle in the sense that i have no idea what that even means so, i will try to install a new debian wheezy in a virtual machine and try to install there VB 4.3 and see if the problem is still there :P |
| 13:22.12 | likecolacola | jelly-home, but it's all okey, after all i can use virtualbox, all i have to do is to start that thing manually with a command.. |
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| 13:23.09 | cloudowind | i never understand why people use virtual box |
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| 13:23.30 | cloudowind | virtual machine i would say |
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| 13:23.36 | wsky | because it's multi-platform, free vm software? |
| 13:24.00 | Glee5 | can I install a different wlan provider (than gnome/kde's) through a standalone (no yum, apt, etc)? |
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| 13:24.34 | likecolacola | i am doing IT technical classes... i use VB because that's what they are teaching right now.. later with patience i will test other software :P |
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| 13:26.28 | cloudowind | well i studied engineering geology never needed one:) my friend has a macosx he is using one using win and linux on it anyway , Glee5 i use wicd-gtk i guess |
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| 13:27.30 | meaneye | Yuck, VB. :/ |
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| 13:28.43 | cloudowind | uhm no , backtrack linux was using this , i dont have wicd running with this debian right now |
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| 13:29.39 | dvs | Glee5: If /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz exists, you can use that without installing anything. |
| 13:29.47 | jelly-home | likecolacola: no, debian did not "drop sysvinit compatibility", that's silly |
| 13:29.54 | cloudowind | Glee5: this means you can try wicd , but why would you need it? |
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| 13:30.21 | jelly-home | likecolacola: do you have links in /etc/rc?.d/S??vboxdrv now? |
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| 13:31.23 | cloudowind | dvs: i got this on my ps -e root 3079 0.0 0.0 31316 3180 ? S 20:30 0:00 /sbin/wpa_suppl |
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| 13:32.16 | dvs | cloudowind: That's a process, not a file. The file has the instruction on how to set it up. |
| 13:32.33 | cloudowind | :D i see |
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| 13:33.21 | likecolacola | jelly-home, nope... no links |
| 13:33.44 | bint | if i put this into my bash: alias clean='rm -f "#"* "."*~ *~ *.bak *.dvi *.aux *.log' |
| 13:33.51 | bint | what happens exactly when i enter clean? |
| 13:34.02 | bint | does it remove all bak dvi aux and log files systemwide? |
| 13:34.03 | jelly-home | likecolacola: then you forgot to enable the service before reboot |
| 13:34.18 | cloudowind | there is no -r there:d |
| 13:34.26 | jelly-home | likecolacola: run "update-rc.d vboxdrv enable" and check again |
| 13:34.54 | bint | cloudowind so it would just do it for the dir i'm in at the moment? |
| 13:35.07 | likecolacola | jelly-home, oh.. yes, your right... i though i was meant to run /etc/init.d/vboxdrv start, not update-rc.d vboxdrv |
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| 13:35.33 | cloudowind | guess so if you havent done any syntax error |
| 13:35.45 | Roland- | hello there could anyone please paste me the info of kvm -machine ? |
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| 13:35.50 | Roland- | on a box with kvm and vmx.... |
| 13:35.53 | Glee5 | dvs: alright |
| 13:35.56 | jelly-home | likecolacola: the point was to enable the service and _then_ reboot to see if it gets started automatically |
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| 13:36.16 | likecolacola | jelly-home, oki... http://paste.debian.net/125826/ |
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| 13:39.44 | jwtiyar | hey |
| 13:39.48 | jelly-home | likecolacola: that's weird, can you pastebin the contents of /etc/init.d/vboxdrv |
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| 13:39.58 | jwtiyar | i cant shut down debian or switching user |
| 13:40.05 | jwtiyar | it will stop on blackscreen |
| 13:40.35 | narbeh | jwtiyar: have you tried "init 6" command? |
| 13:40.46 | jwtiyar | narbeh, no |
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| 13:40.57 | narbeh | jwtiyar: try |
| 13:41.09 | narbeh | jwtiyar: it will reboot your system |
| 13:41.11 | jwtiyar | i dont want to use command because some time i just need to change from lxde to gnome |
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| 13:41.48 | cloudowind | is run level 6 reboot? |
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| 13:42.01 | narbeh | cloudowind: isn't it? |
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| 13:42.33 | bint | i dont get this |
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| 13:42.42 | bint | when i log in with my normal account: bint there are no colors in the terminal |
| 13:42.46 | likecolacola | jelly-home, sure http://paste.debian.net/125827/ |
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| 13:42.52 | bint | when i switch to root: su root, there are colors |
| 13:43.00 | bint | once, i switch back to bint, the colors will stay in the terminal |
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| 13:43.08 | bint | so when i then use ls -l, the dirs are colored |
| 13:43.21 | bint | but i wanna have colored dirs from start |
| 13:43.23 | cloudowind | narbeh:indeed it is |
| 13:43.25 | cloudowind | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.29 | cloudowind | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.32 | cloudowind | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.35 | cloudowind | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.37 | cloudowind | oopst |
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| 13:44.59 | jelly-home | likecolacola: what about "update-rc.d vboxdrv defaults" instead |
| 13:45.04 | jwtiyar | narbeh, i dont want to use command because some time i just need to change from lxde to gnome |
| 13:45.44 | cloudowind | then use halt |
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| 13:47.03 | vlayn | hey |
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| 13:47.45 | likecolacola | jelly-home, http://paste.debian.net/125828/ |
| 13:47.56 | likecolacola | the same.. |
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| 13:48.20 | likecolacola | oh wait wait |
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| 13:48.59 | likecolacola | jelly-home, http://paste.debian.net/125829/ |
| 13:49.05 | likecolacola | now it does not give error.. |
| 13:49.14 | jelly-home | likecolacola: do you have links in /etc/rc?.d/S??vboxdrv now? |
| 13:49.46 | likecolacola | yes |
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| 13:50.03 | cloudowind | hello vlayn |
| 13:50.29 | likecolacola | jelly-home, yep.. http://paste.debian.net/125830/ now i should reboot |
| 13:50.41 | likecolacola | right? |
| 13:50.54 | jelly-home | likecolacola: yes, and you shouldn't need to start the service manually after that |
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| 13:51.46 | likecolacola | jelly-home, oki, brb |
| 13:52.16 | vlayn | hey |
| 13:52.35 | jelly-home | vlayn: hello there. |
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| 13:53.24 | jelly-home | vlayn: can you prove you're a human? |
| 13:53.31 | dvs | heh |
| 13:53.41 | vlayn | i'm looking to remove mailman but it's return that http://pastebin.com/sgcPYZxa , do you have any idea pleaze ? |
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| 13:54.11 | jelly-home | vlayn: that's unusual, which debian release is this? |
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| 13:54.28 | cloudowind | one interesting thing , debian didnt recognize my internal wireless card which is intel , but when i plugged an external wireless which is awus36 h realteck base , debian recognized and straight away started to use the device:D |
| 13:54.43 | porton | Why don't I see a voice icon for voice-search in Chromium? |
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| 13:54.59 | likecolacola | jelly-home, yes!, it's now working |
| 13:55.01 | jelly-home | cloudowind: the intel one possibly requires non-free firmware |
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| 13:55.19 | cloudowind | correct |
| 13:55.19 | wsky | i just ran an excelent, old and unsopoorted, debian based linux distribution |
| 13:55.40 | porton | cloudowind: `deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free` in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:55.42 | Brigo | wsky, potato? |
| 13:55.47 | likecolacola | jelly-home, thanks |
| 13:55.50 | likecolacola | again |
| 13:55.54 | wsky | i've found that old mini dvd disk i burned like 7 years ago |
| 13:55.58 | jelly-home | !win likecolacola |
| 13:55.58 | dpkg | Congratulations, likecolacola! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island! |
| 13:56.05 | wsky | Brigo: no, cdlinux |
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| 13:56.29 | Brigo | i think i remember it. |
| 13:56.40 | jelly-home | cloudowind: is firmware-iwlwifi package installed? |
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| 13:56.52 | cloudowind | yes its fixed already |
| 13:56.56 | likecolacola | jelly-home, :> |
| 13:57.01 | wsky | Brigo: it's polish, i still remember the defaulty root password hehe |
| 13:57.05 | jelly-home | cloudowind: yay |
| 13:57.09 | wsky | Brigo: sid based |
| 13:57.10 | cloudowind | was just saying :D thanks porton jelly |
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| 13:58.44 | shingouz | wsky: it barfs errors all over the place. fix them and it should work. *how* and *what* to fix is something you need to find out yourself, it is based on debian, not debian |
| 13:58.48 | shingouz | !based on debian |
| 13:58.49 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 13:59.22 | wsky | shingouz: i didn't ask a single question here about cdlinux |
| 13:59.27 | *** mode/#debian [+o jelly-home] by ChanServ |
| 13:59.27 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@209.222.18.27$##fix_your_connection] by jelly-home |
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| 13:59.46 | wsky | i'm just sharing the fact that i found it |
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| 14:00.07 | edoardo | hello, i have two debian machines |
| 14:00.21 | dvs | yay! |
| 14:00.24 | cloudowind | :D |
| 14:00.29 | edoardo | i was transfering a file via Filezilla (sftp) |
| 14:00.33 | Roland- | hello there could anyone please paste me the info of kvm -machine ? on a box with kvm installed, as I need to know if q35 is supported |
| 14:00.38 | dvs | !tell edoardo about enter |
| 14:00.40 | jelly-home | wsky: apparently people get easily confused with chatter here, if you want to socialize a bit there's #debian-offtopic |
| 14:00.51 | shingouz | wsky: see if you can fix the errors it barfs out |
| 14:01.10 | wsky | jelly-home: i'm afraid that's not possible :D |
| 14:01.12 | edoardo | my pc shut down and now i have half file transferred on the server |
| 14:01.34 | edoardo | how can i resume the transfer? thought about using rsync but i can't understand how it works |
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| 14:01.39 | wsky | shingouz: you don't even know the distro and you're saying about "barfing errors" |
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| 14:01.58 | edoardo | if i use the standard ssh rsync command i get a silent transfer and the file size on the server staying the same |
| 14:02.18 | shingouz | wsky: i do not even speak french and i can still see the errors on the pastebin you showed |
| 14:02.20 | ctmjr | edoardo, man rsync is very helpful |
| 14:02.38 | wsky | shingouz: i haven't used pastebin in weeks, you're mistaking me with someone else |
| 14:02.50 | edoardo | ctmjr: but do i need a rsync server or whatever to have checksumming and ability to continue the download? |
| 14:03.22 | edoardo | i usually use zsync to transfer from server to my pc, but can't think an alternative for the opposite |
| 14:03.23 | shingouz | wsky: i stand corrected, sorry |
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| 14:03.34 | jelly-home | wsky: pfft, I don't want to know what you've done to have gotten banned in there! Sorry. :-) |
| 14:03.37 | edoardo | *upload |
| 14:03.51 | wsky | jelly-home: i look ugly |
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| 14:04.48 | cloudowind | eat apple |
| 14:04.49 | jelly-home | edoardo: add -P to rsync options for some verbosity |
| 14:05.11 | Roland- | ok I have another question, can I install just one specific package from backports? |
| 14:05.36 | dvs | Roland-: that's the idea behind backports. |
| 14:05.55 | edoardo | jelly-home: woah! |
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| 14:06.16 | jelly-home | Roland-: they're set up to work that way and an upgrade or dist-upgrade action won't pull packages from backports by default. |
| 14:06.29 | edoardo | i get a spike of ~300mb/s until 90% (that's where the upload ended), then it settles to 30kb/s |
| 14:06.29 | edoardo | but still, the size on the server doesn't change |
| 14:06.41 | edoardo | meh, i'll wait until it finishes |
| 14:06.55 | jelly-home | edoardo: rsync by default uses a temporary copy on destinations side |
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| 14:07.48 | edoardo | jelly: yeah, i can see that |
| 14:07.59 | edoardo | 0_up.mkv |
| 14:08.00 | edoardo | .0_up.mkv.mjeedV |
| 14:08.00 | edoardo | .0_up.mkv.W746AV |
| 14:08.17 | cloudowind | is it a movie? |
| 14:08.37 | edoardo | question is, how can rsync know the status of the file from ssh? |
| 14:08.48 | edoardo | does ssh support remote checksums? |
| 14:09.01 | edoardo | cloudowind: youtube upload for a show we did yesterday |
| 14:09.28 | jelly-home | edoardo: ssh is just used as transport. rsync starts another rsync on the other side and they talk rsync protocol. |
| 14:09.30 | cloudowind | oh i thought it was semething serious |
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| 14:11.38 | edoardo | jelly-home: cool! |
| 14:11.38 | edoardo | that's clever |
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| 14:11.44 | edoardo | cloudowind: ? |
| 14:11.56 | edoardo | rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1183) [sender=3.1.1] |
| 14:12.01 | edoardo | what's this? |
| 14:12.26 | jelly-home | edoardo: see previous errors. |
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| 14:12.52 | edoardo | oh! rsync: link_stat "/home/edoardo/kdenlive/ssh" failed: No such file or directory (2) |
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| 14:13.08 | edoardo | no problem tho, didn't need that |
| 14:13.36 | jelly-home | edoardo: you can always run it again, if there's nothing more to transfer it will be quick |
| 14:13.51 | edoardo | found the error |
| 14:14.05 | edoardo | rsync -avP 0_up.mkv ssh root@edocod.it:/var/www/edocod.it/0_up.mkv |
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| 14:14.15 | edoardo | the "ssh" before the address |
| 14:14.27 | edoardo | it expects a ssh file to transfer that doesn't exist |
| 14:15.14 | jelly-home | runs mpv http://edocod.it/0_up.mkv |
| 14:15.19 | jelly-home | evil |
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| 14:15.46 | edoardo | jelly-home: do what you want |
| 14:16.39 | jelly-home | edoardo: weird way to pronounce candy crush :-) |
| 14:16.53 | edoardo | jelly-home: that was the synth :) |
| 14:17.10 | edoardo | however, it's just a cheap italian knockoff of *'s got talent |
| 14:17.34 | jelly-home | well, apparently something uploaded successfully. |
| 14:17.44 | edoardo | how's the quality? |
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| 14:17.57 | jelly-home | looks nice |
| 14:18.12 | edoardo | perfect, ffmpeg did a fine job this time |
| 14:18.26 | edoardo | the camera movements are very dodgy, though |
| 14:20.54 | edoardo | that nice feel when youtube doesn't even process |
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| 14:26.46 | hest | hello. |
| 14:26.52 | verri | hi. |
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| 14:28.00 | hest | is there any sort of interactive usb firewall available for debian, where the user has to manually approve every device/device class combination before the kernel actually starts using a new usb device and makes whatever it provides (keyboard, storage, webcam etc) available to the rest of the system? |
| 14:28.32 | hest | or non-interactive config-file driven, if there isn't an interactive one. |
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| 14:28.48 | RoyK | hest: ufw should work well |
| 14:29.05 | RoyK | hest: erm |
| 14:29.10 | RoyK | usb firewall? |
| 14:29.13 | rommel092079 | hello guys. once again I am asking this question. My first linux distro that i used was centos then I tried to migrate now to debian because I can see in distrowatch that they have the most complete list of package. but I dont know if being complete list of package means better. some other distro that are not complete in package but they have more updated version of some of the packages. so |
| 14:29.14 | rommel092079 | I dont know. basically I want to use linux os for server like webserver, database, dns, dhcp, email, ssh, storage, proxy and others. so I would like to ask for your years of experience. |
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| 14:29.58 | heurist | dpkg: tell rommel092079 -about crosspost |
| 14:29.59 | hest | RoyK: yeah, not for networking but for usb devices. to prevent a malicious storage device, say, to suddenly pretend to be a keyboard and start running evil commands. |
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| 14:30.03 | RoyK | rommel092079: I don't know much distros that can't be used for that use |
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| 14:30.28 | hest | and just generally to reduce the attack surface for the usb drivers and libraries. |
| 14:30.41 | heurist | rommel092079: it does not matter about "complete" set of packages. anything that has the packages you want to use is good enough. but debian is a good choice. |
| 14:30.41 | rommel092079 | Royk: ok |
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| 14:31.04 | RoyK | hest: I see your point |
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| 14:31.27 | e^0 | guys give me some idea about what i can do in my final year thesis ? i want to do something related to linux |
| 14:31.34 | RoyK | hest: Some OSes, like Windows, have security settings to disallow new, unapproved USB things - I'm not sure how to do that in Linux |
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| 14:31.57 | RoyK | e^0: eeeeh... find something that you find interesting |
| 14:32.06 | rommel092079 | yes i see that it is a good choice. one factor that I see that it is independent-based OS. but as I googled about comments on debian, debian is slow on updates other than its competitors but i know less right now. |
| 14:32.07 | hest | RoyK: it's probably possible with udev rules, i'd just like to know if there is something available already. |
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| 14:32.33 | RoyK | hest: it'd be interesting to know if you find out ;) |
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| 14:32.46 | hest | rommel092079: debian stable is slow when it comes to new feature upgrades, true. but for a server you typically only care about security upgrades, and those are fast. |
| 14:32.52 | heurist | rommel092079: debian is "stable", we do not like having packages change how they work all the time. |
| 14:33.15 | e^0 | RoyK: i am getting no points on what i should be doing :/ |
| 14:33.16 | dvs | e^0: That's easy, systemd |
| 14:33.19 | RoyK | hest: centos (6) isn't much more updated than wheezy, but then, there's centos 7... |
| 14:33.35 | e^0 | i am mathematics student, so have to do something which includes some mathematics in it.. |
| 14:33.58 | e^0 | may be modeling, simulation or comparision of scheduler algorithms.. etc etc.. |
| 14:34.10 | heurist | e^0: this is really a debian support channel, so that question is a bit off-topic. |
| 14:34.12 | hest | e^0: better early randomness would be nice. |
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| 14:34.20 | Penix | wtf. this is the second time I've seen this asked in the last week or so |
| 14:34.20 | RoyK | e^0: scipy and numpy can be interesting - not really about linux, though |
| 14:34.25 | hest | but probably very difficult. |
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| 14:35.07 | rommel092079 | heurist, hest: I see, so the updates that I can see on distrowatch are more of the program updates but not on the security updates? |
| 14:35.29 | e^0 | RoyK: something related to linux would be more good :) |
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| 14:36.34 | hest | rommel092079: haven't looked at distrowatch, but security upgrades for debian stable are typically available very soon after the problems are discovered. i typically get a couple of them per month on my desktop system. |
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| 14:38.14 | cybrNaut | i did an /aptitude show gnupg/, and it shows dependancies on compression libraries |
| 14:38.22 | rommel092079 | thanks guys |
| 14:38.27 | cybrNaut | but no dependancies on cryto libraries |
| 14:38.43 | hest | cybrNaut: gnupg implements its own crypto but uses zlib for compression (i think). |
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| 14:39.10 | cybrNaut | hest: ok, thanks |
| 14:39.51 | hest | most crypto programs need some sort of compression since the compression needs to be done before the encryption in order to be useful. |
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| 14:40.49 | e^0 | anything related to docker ? |
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| 14:41.24 | RoyK | e^0: then find something - find something that you think is interesting |
| 14:41.48 | RoyK | e^0: use linux on your laptop/desktop for some time to find what can be good to write about |
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| 14:43.01 | e^0 | RoyK: using linux for a long time now more than 2 years.. |
| 14:43.07 | e^0 | debian and gentoo |
| 14:43.38 | RoyK | ok - then you should have seen a thing or two that can be studied ;) |
| 14:43.46 | Yoshi1 | hmmm i think i need help with my sources.list |
| 14:43.53 | e^0 | sadly right now now i am getting no hint or idea.. |
| 14:44.04 | Yoshi1 | http://pastebin.com/4TdkrACM |
| 14:44.53 | heurist | Yoshi1: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:44.55 | e^0 | may be comparing kvm, docker or vagrant for different purposes |
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| 14:45.20 | dvs | Yoshi1: line 16 is a subset of line 9. line 20 is unnecessary. |
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| 14:46.33 | Yoshi1 | heurist debian-next requires an invite |
| 14:46.53 | heurist | Yoshi1: #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net not freenode |
| 14:47.01 | dvs | Yoshi1: Actually, the only lines you need is lines 7 and 9 |
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| 14:48.02 | heurist | Yoshi1: agreed, line 7 and 9 is all you need, but add contrib non-free to the end of line 9 |
| 14:48.35 | Yoshi1 | W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/Release.gpg Could not resolve 'http.debian.org' |
| 14:48.56 | dvs | Yoshi1: Oh, http.debian.net |
| 14:49.35 | Solak | http.debian? isn't it (http://)www.debian? |
| 14:49.49 | dvs | npe |
| 14:49.52 | dvs | nopoe |
| 14:49.54 | dvs | ahha |
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| 14:50.07 | heurist | dpkg: tell Solak -about sources.list |
| 14:51.12 | deuxddd | hello everyone, i have a very big problem - my debian installation keeps filling up the filesystem root until it gets to 0 bytes. is there a solution? i've been looking and can't find one |
| 14:51.14 | Yoshi1 | so there just havent been any updates in the last couple of days? |
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| 14:51.30 | Solak | hmm. thanks. I wasn't aware of that notation (only http://security or just security) |
| 14:52.06 | heurist | Yoshi1: did you change your http.debian.org to http.debian.net ? |
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| 14:52.50 | Yoshi1 | heurist yes |
| 14:52.51 | heurist | Solak: http.debian.net is the name of the server. so you use http://http.debian.net ... |
| 14:53.03 | Yoshi1 | i was able to fetch all of it |
| 14:53.21 | dvs | and then what? |
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| 14:53.42 | heurist | Yoshi1: the #debian-next will know more about how many updates there have been in testing than we will in the stable channel |
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| 14:54.38 | Solak | heurist: ah, I see. |
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| 14:56.17 | Solak | heurist: it looks somewhat odd imho, but there's of course no restriction... |
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| 14:56.51 | heurist | Solak: not as odd as http://ftp.us.debian.org/ (: |
| 14:57.18 | wytrzeszcz | hey anybody know Xorg good ? |
| 14:58.35 | Solak | heurist: well, that's the notation I'm used to... though I would expect something like ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/ :) |
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| 15:00.50 | heurist | Solak: no, that is something quite different. (: the part before the :// is the protocol to use when speaking to the server, the part after the :// and before the next / is the name of the server (DNS) the rest is the path, just like on you system at home. |
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| 15:05.10 | Solak | heurist: yes, so it would be nice if hostname and protocol matched :) |
| 15:05.28 | Solak | !sigh... Debian 7 install won't boot :/ |
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| 15:07.35 | bint | hmm |
| 15:07.43 | Solak | tries to install Debian 7 on a 12" Powerbook G4 867 with 640Kb RAM and 60Gb HDD. |
| 15:07.46 | bint | i want to know wether i use xinetd or inetd so i tried |
| 15:07.48 | bint | netstat -tulpn | grep LISTEN | egrep '[xi]netd' |
| 15:07.55 | bint | but i dont get any output |
| 15:07.59 | Solak | but during the final boot after installation it crashes. |
| 15:08.47 | manchot | how do I delete [random characters] in a text? I mean both [ ] and any characters inside |
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| 15:09.44 | wsky | bint: 640KB RAM? are you sure? |
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| 15:10.37 | Roland- | mb perhaps |
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| 15:10.56 | Solak | eh, 640Mb :) |
| 15:11.05 | Solak | sorry |
| 15:11.20 | wsky | well it's G4, that was the last ppc powerbook |
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| 15:11.57 | wsky | bint: sorry, i was reffering to Solak, he sneaked between your lines |
| 15:12.40 | wsky | Solak: /3 |
| 15:12.43 | wsky | whoops |
| 15:15.45 | Solak | it's during the second stage of the boot-process and causes a black screen with some artefacts from the original text. |
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| 15:18.43 | deuxddd | hello everyone, please help me! i haven't found an answer anywhere - my debian root filesystem keeps filling up (i have no idea with what) until it gets to 0 bytes |
| 15:18.49 | deuxddd | please, i really need help! |
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| 15:19.28 | Solak | deuxddd: did you check /var/log ? |
| 15:19.33 | mtn | deuxddd: how big is it? |
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| 15:19.54 | Solak | deuxddd: perhaps there's an error causing a lot of entries in the logs. |
| 15:20.00 | deuxddd | the root is aprox 10GB |
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| 15:20.21 | deuxddd | i have heard about the /var/log, but i also read i shouldn't delete those files |
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| 15:20.32 | mtn | deuxddd: that is probably too small, as you can see. what are you doing when this happens? general use or...? |
| 15:20.53 | deuxddd | really nothing, one day it's ok, the next it's just full |
| 15:21.05 | Solak | does Debian, like Ubuntu, update kernels and keep the old ones? |
| 15:21.18 | wsky | deuxddd: what you should do is use find and du to track the biggest files in your fs, and yes, it might be the log files, make sure to run logrotate |
| 15:21.24 | mtn | Solak: yup, ubuntu does it like debian does ;) |
| 15:21.31 | heurist | deuxddd: you say "keeps" filling up. what do you do to fix it so it can fill again? |
| 15:21.45 | mtn | now that's a good question ;) |
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| 15:27.19 | heurist | Solak: debian stable is still using kernel 3.2 they patch that to fix issues, so there is no "new" kernel version being installed, so you will only have *one* 3.2. If you install kernels from backports you will have each version that that installs in /boot till you apt-get remove them. |
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| 15:32.16 | Solak | heurist: kubuntu 12.04LTS which I have installed here keeps the old ones, but that probably has something to do with update policy. So every once in a while I have to remove old ones. |
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| 15:33.29 | Ryccardo | Solak: you're talking about kernel packages? |
| 15:33.35 | likecolacola | how can i list all groups? |
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| 15:33.47 | heurist | Solak: there are no "old ones" with debian stable. which could be a bad thing. there might be a way to make it name them with the full debian version in /boot. might be worth looking into. |
| 15:34.10 | cloudowind | i just realised there is no minimise icon on the windows:D using gdm |
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| 15:34.19 | Ryccardo | likecolacola: open /etc/group |
| 15:34.24 | heurist | likecolacola: getent group |
| 15:35.02 | Ryccardo | cloudowind: you can change that with gnome-tweak-tool (for one), and it's not gdm's fault (but who knows what Gnome is doing nowadays)... |
| 15:35.29 | cloudowind | and there is one workspcace unusual there normally comes 4:D |
| 15:35.43 | cloudowind | well 2 actually , up and down |
| 15:35.48 | heurist | cloudowind: gdm? gdm is not gnome. gdm is just the "login" screen. |
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| 15:36.25 | Ryccardo | cloudowind: they appear on demand, as you put something in the blank one |
| 15:37.12 | likecolacola | Ryccardo, open /etc/group did not work for me :P, getent group did |
| 15:37.15 | likecolacola | heurist, thanks |
| 15:37.16 | Solak | Ryccardo: yes. |
| 15:37.19 | cloudowind | i got it |
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| 15:37.58 | Ryccardo | Solak: check out /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove-kernels |
| 15:38.08 | cloudowind | thank you |
| 15:38.14 | Ryccardo | (which is generated from another file) |
| 15:38.18 | heurist | likecolacola: getent will also show you all the groups, there may be groups from ldap or nis or ads, /etx/groups will not list them. getent is the right tool. |
| 15:38.27 | Solak | Ryccardo: I'll look into it, thanks! |
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| 15:38.45 | Ryccardo | likecolacola: ah, you're not talking about local groups... |
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| 15:39.40 | heurist | Ryccardo: they probably were, but still, getent does all of them, and does not need root. |
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| 15:39.46 | cloudowind | heurist: gdm3 runs gnome here , you mean grub?i dnt know |
| 15:40.10 | Ryccardo | cloudowind: gdm can, or at least should, run any X session |
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| 15:40.28 | heurist | cloudowind: gdm can run any WM, it is just the screen you log into and pick the WM you want. grub is the thing that boots your system. |
| 15:40.44 | cloudowind | so which wm am i using now? |
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| 15:40.58 | cloudowind | i thought it was gnome |
| 15:41.10 | heurist | cloudowind: you will have to tell us, we do not know. but probably gnome. |
| 15:41.22 | cloudowind | gnome yea , :D |
| 15:41.46 | cloudowind | i downloaded debiangnome , not the kde and i did a ps -e saw gnome |
| 15:41.46 | mtn | gnome is not a wm :P |
| 15:41.54 | cloudowind | what is it then |
| 15:42.03 | mtn | desktop environment |
| 15:42.04 | Solak | a desktop-environment. |
| 15:42.07 | heurist | mtn: well, it is *also* a wm |
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| 15:42.23 | mtn | heurist: not it isn't :) it uses a wm, though |
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| 15:42.33 | cloudowind | what it use |
| 15:42.39 | cloudowind | which one , |
| 15:42.41 | unclezipper | I'm having issues with missing ethernet firmware during an install. I have the files on a FAT32-formatted flash drive but the installer doesn't see it. What can I do? I've already tried manually mounting it and copying the fw files to / and to /lib/firmware with no results |
| 15:42.52 | mtn | mutter, I believe is the current wm for gnome |
| 15:42.54 | heurist | mtn: probably true. (: I am ignorant with my i3 and all. |
| 15:43.33 | mtn | heurist: I was just being picky and precise :) |
| 15:43.36 | cloudowind | thanks was very helpfull guys |
| 15:44.03 | Ryccardo | unclezipper: 1- from personal experience with b43, it only works if firmware is packed in a deb 2- jessie installer has known issues with firmware |
| 15:44.04 | unclezipper | Who uses gnome, anyway :P |
| 15:44.04 | heurist | mtn: and correct. I approve. |
| 15:44.23 | mtn | unclezipper: millions! |
| 15:45.14 | Ryccardo | unclezipper: it allegedly improved much since the early days (still doesn't suit me due to n00bification) |
| 15:45.17 | unclezipper | Ryccardo: Really? I have both .deb packages and straight binaries on the flash drive. This is on Wheezy -- trying to put 7.6 on some HP server requiring some bx2 something... |
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| 15:46.47 | Ryccardo | the way that worked for me is making a .deb containing /lib/firmware/whatever and put it in \firmware\whatever.deb |
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| 15:48.30 | unclezipper | Wait what... I've never made a .deb before, is that well-documented? With my luck I'd enter the combination of commands that cause another world war or something |
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| 15:50.14 | Gregor3000 | need help with SSH "Note that once you've set this up, if an intruder breaks into your account/site, they are given access to the site you are allowed in without a password, too! For this reason, this should never be done from root." how do you set up the key for root login then? |
| 15:50.42 | Gregor3000 | i am thinking of creating a key with passphrase for that. |
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| 15:51.15 | Ryccardo | unclezipper: basically -- create a folder containing two ones "lib" and "DEBIAN", put "firmware" and so on inside "lib", create text file "control" under DEBIAN, adjust permissions, from outside base folder do `dpkg-deb -b nameofbasefolderwithoutslash` [continues] |
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| 15:52.26 | unclezipper | Gregor3000: Not allowing root SSH access is probably the best idea |
| 15:53.33 | Gregor3000 | ok |
| 15:53.55 | Gregor3000 | what if i need to do something via ssh as root? just add user to sudo group? |
| 15:53.56 | unclezipper | Just install sudo and use `sudo su` when you need administrative privileges. You still have passwordless logins but if someone gets in(slim chance) they'd still need to know your password to do anything harmful |
| 15:54.14 | unclezipper | Yes. `usermod -aG sudo user` |
| 15:54.27 | Ryccardo | unclezipper: example of control file: http://pastie.org/9642149 |
| 15:54.29 | Gregor3000 | ok disabling the root SSH access then... |
| 15:55.21 | unclezipper | Ryccardo: Thanks. I'll see if that helps |
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| 15:57.38 | pflanze | Hello. I'm looking for a better 'find', especially for time related searches. |
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| 15:58.25 | pflanze | I'm tired of the relative times, and re-figuring out every time how to make smaller/equal searches (and are the smaller searches inclusive or not), |
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| 15:58.45 | pflanze | and I still don't really the syntax of find in general. |
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| 15:59.20 | pflanze | I want to say "find me -type f files modified between $date1 and $date2". |
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| 16:01.39 | unclezipper | http://www.unix.com/unix-for-dummies-questions-and-answers/14722-files-between-any-two-given-dates.html?s= |
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| 16:05.35 | Mk588 | hi |
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| 16:05.39 | Mk588 | this is how I see you |
| 16:05.40 | Mk588 | http://i.imgur.com/s3zk1Ax.png |
| 16:05.47 | dine909 | how can i create selections for my debian package, that i can configure with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 16:05.57 | AgReSsIvO | away; depois |
| 16:06.10 | phy1729 | AgReSsIvO: please turn that off |
| 16:06.25 | AgReSsIvO | phy1729: ok |
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| 16:07.38 | Mk588 | oh okay |
| 16:07.50 | Mk588 | whoops wrong room |
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| 16:13.43 | marvin-hh | How can I add a key via stdin to apt-key, only if it doesn't exist yet? |
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| 16:14.31 | marvin-hh | There is only some way to list keys, but then I would have to compare whether or not a key is still valid, and more of that kind of logic. |
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| 16:15.09 | marvin-hh | I need an interface of the form: update, if newer (and valid, etc.). |
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| 16:15.42 | marvin-hh | The behaviour of the apt-key program is also very much undefined in thee documentation. |
| 16:15.56 | marvin-hh | It doesn't state what it does when you try to add the same key twice, for example. |
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| 16:16.50 | heurist | marvin-hh: I am fairly sure it does not add duplicate keys, have you tried adding a key that is in the store and see what it does. I think it does the right thing. |
| 16:17.03 | marvin-hh | heurist: I get an exit status of 1. |
| 16:17.09 | marvin-hh | heurist: I think it doesn't do the right thing. |
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| 16:17.30 | marvin-hh | heurist: the right thing would have been outputting for example "2" when it already exists and "1" for a general error status. |
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| 16:17.43 | heurist | marvin-hh: exit status of 1 and not duplicate key, sounds like correct behaviour. |
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| 16:18.04 | marvin-hh | heurist: no, because there are multiple reasons for why it could output 1. |
| 16:18.11 | marvin-hh | heurist: which means it's completely broken. |
| 16:18.41 | Ryccardo | it means it failed (adding it), could certainly be improved but it's correct... |
| 16:18.55 | heurist | marvin-hh: maybe, but 1 just means did not succeed. it is a bit vague, but is good enough for most things. |
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| 16:19.30 | marvin-hh | heurist: I think apt-key should never *ever* have entered the repositories in the first place. |
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| 16:19.43 | marvin-hh | heurist: "good enough" is not a base to build on. |
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| 16:19.55 | Ryccardo | then file a bug report :) |
| 16:20.03 | heurist | marvin-hh: possibly true. there is not much call for using it as much as you are describing. |
| 16:20.23 | marvin-hh | Ryccardo: the bug report would be mentioning that the people who control the archive need to be replaced. |
| 16:20.38 | marvin-hh | Ryccardo: I don't think it will get fixed. |
| 16:21.35 | Ryccardo | it sounds like a legitimate feature request: something that increases interoperability... |
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| 16:22.17 | lasdam | how do I run gedit as su by default (e.g. in Run Application or from clicking a Gnome menu entry)? |
| 16:22.59 | marvin-hh | Ryccardo: in fact, that whole program apt-key was written by an amateur, by the looks of it. |
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| 16:23.25 | Ryccardo | lasdam: you could create another launcher that goes through gksu or the like |
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| 16:24.32 | heurist | marvin-hh: apt-key is a plumbing tool meant to be used by experts, or rare occasions. what are you trying to do? what is your goal? |
| 16:25.29 | Ryccardo | marvin-hh: I believe it's by the Ubuntu team ;) |
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| 16:26.22 | marvin-hh | heurist: all I want is to add a key to be downloaded from the Internet, automatically, such that when they update their key, the old key is removed and my systems continue to work. |
| 16:27.02 | marvin-hh | Ryccardo: no surprises there, then. |
| 16:27.23 | marvin-hh | heurist: if the people who wrote that are experts, I am a unicorn. |
| 16:28.08 | heurist | marvin-hh: "used by" exports. why do you need to do this? needing to do this is a sign that something is not right with your system. |
| 16:28.51 | marvin-hh | heurist: I already explained this. |
| 16:29.04 | berarma | I've installed systemd from backports, now it seems automounting usb drives doesn't work well, they can only be accessed by root |
| 16:29.24 | marvin-hh | heurist: if I have a process to obtain new keys, then obviously, I also need a method to update keys. |
| 16:29.26 | heurist | marvin-hh: ok. I give up then. you know about update and net-update I assume. |
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| 16:30.27 | marvin-hh | heurist: yes, and those do slightly different things./ |
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| 16:30.42 | marvin-hh | heurist: it might for example be the case that a key is still valid, but yet there is a replacement for it. |
| 16:31.04 | marvin-hh | heurist: so, as it stands, apt-key provides an incomplete interface for the key management problem. |
| 16:32.18 | marvin-hh | heurist: I also don't understand why those keys are so weak. |
| 16:32.22 | heurist | marvin-hh: they are just pgp keys, you can use different tools if you want. |
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| 16:32.58 | marvin-hh | If you want to defend against NSA, etc. You need to have at the very least keys 10 times longer than the current ones. |
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| 16:33.25 | marvin-hh | And, you probably should be using a different crypto-system. |
| 16:33.30 | marvin-hh | But that's a different topic. |
| 16:33.45 | Ryccardo | I generally disable package signing, more nuisance than gain |
| 16:34.05 | phy1729 | 10 times longer != 10 times stronger depending on the crypto and the attack |
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| 16:34.42 | marvin-hh | phy1729: the idea would be that it would be >>10 times more difficult, which given almost no assumptions, it is. |
| 16:35.12 | phy1729 | that advice is so general as to be useless |
| 16:35.27 | somiaj | marvin-hh: we get your point you don't like apt-key. Do you have anything constructive to say or an actual problem? You are welcome to file a wish list or bug against the package. But just complaining about it is only noise and now you are drifting off topic. |
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| 16:35.48 | marvin-hh | somiaj: well, I still don't have an actual solution to the problem. |
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| 16:36.12 | marvin-hh | somiaj: I am seeing whether I can do whatever apt-key does, but then in a sane way, myself. |
| 16:36.57 | marvin-hh | Documentation for apt-key also leaves a lot to be desired. |
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| 16:39.34 | iron_hou1 | Hello. What version of debian do I need to have chromium 38 for Netflix support and Kodi (XBMC) and steam? |
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| 16:40.39 | joeytwiddle | Guys I have two small projects I want to release, and I wonder if I need to give them small names, or if it's fine to give them long names. They are both daemons. |
| 16:40.40 | joeytwiddle | The long names are: temperature_based_cpu_speed_daemon and traffic_shaping_for_slow_networks. What do you think? Too long, or acceptable? :) |
| 16:40.51 | Ryccardo | joeytwiddle: chromium 38 is in sid right now |
| 16:41.02 | Ryccardo | er... iron_hou1 |
| 16:41.11 | marvin-hh | joeytwiddle: long names are fine. |
| 16:41.11 | iron_hou1 | Ryccardo: Thanks |
| 16:41.18 | kline | Ryccardo, iron_hou1 : chrome 38 in jessie is broken |
| 16:41.23 | kline | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=748867 |
| 16:41.23 | iron_hou1 | Ryccardo: Standard repo? |
| 16:41.31 | somiaj | ,v chromium |
| 16:41.32 | judd | Package: chromium on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; wheezy: 35.0.1916.153-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; sid: 38.0.2125.101-1; jessie: 38.0.2125.101-1 |
| 16:41.35 | marvin-hh | joeytwiddle: but your second project is likely inferior to other existing solutions. |
| 16:41.56 | joeytwiddle | that's kind of you to say :p |
| 16:42.12 | marvin-hh | joeytwiddle: if you don't do a comparison on your landing page with other projects, it will come of as amateuristic and a waste of time. |
| 16:42.22 | marvin-hh | joeytwiddle: you don't want to waste the time of other people, do you? |
| 16:42.26 | somiaj | iron_hou1: If you aren't familar with debian you may want to stick with stable. The next security fixes in chromium in debian will bring a newer version of chromium into wheezy. Or you can try to backport chromium to wheezy (/msg dpkg ssb) |
| 16:42.28 | joeytwiddle | but even the executables, it's ok to keep them long? |
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| 16:42.42 | marvin-hh | joeytwiddle: if it works, nobody cares. |
| 16:42.50 | joeytwiddle | :) makes sense |
| 16:43.01 | iron_hou1 | somiaj: I'm familiar with Linux .. I use Slackware .. |
| 16:43.13 | marvin-hh | joeytwiddle: but you could also just name it "twiddle". |
| 16:43.21 | marvin-hh | joeytwiddle: twiddle-tempd |
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| 16:43.45 | joeytwiddle | hehe, yes something-tempd would also fit |
| 16:43.47 | somiaj | iron_hou1: no problem, just standard warning is jessie or sid can be buggy. But many do run them. Just don't mix packages from debian versions. |
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| 16:43.55 | marvin-hh | joeytwiddle: just using that long name without prefixing it in some way seems like a bad idea for public stuff. |
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| 16:44.18 | joeytwiddle | marvin-hh, i looked around for other solutions, and couldn't find any. i adapted wondershaper to also do ingress shaping, and detect and de-prioritise downloads. it's fiddly to configure, and far from perfect, but much better than without it |
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| 16:44.34 | marvin-hh | joeytwiddle: yeah, wondershaper is completely obsolete. |
| 16:44.42 | marvin-hh | joeytwiddle: the state of the art is present in openwrt. |
| 16:44.56 | joeytwiddle | thanks, i'll check it out. i wrote these over a year ago :S |
| 16:45.02 | marvin-hh | joeytwiddle: and probably in commercial closed source code. |
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| 16:45.24 | marvin-hh | joeytwiddle: nobody needs wondershaper anymore, and anything which uses a similar approach is also doomed. |
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| 16:45.30 | marvin-hh | joeytwiddle: so, don't waste time on that. |
| 16:45.53 | joeytwiddle | i've already written it, and i know it's not useless because i'd much rather have it on than off! |
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| 16:47.25 | joeytwiddle | but it would likely only be useful to a small number of users. i use it on 16k 4G when my quota runs out, and haven't tested it on other networks. :/ |
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| 16:49.46 | joeytwiddle | thanks for the feedback! |
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| 17:07.32 | KyokoDebian | :) |
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| 17:09.45 | Walex | http://www.sabi.co.uk/#sourcesSabishape |
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| 17:10.45 | joeytwiddle | cheers, got it :) |
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| 17:13.12 | joeytwiddle | I will try this out when my quota next expires |
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| 17:18.18 | Sagar | hello i am using webmin i get "Error - File not found" <-- i am getting this error when i click on Apply Changes in apache |
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| 17:24.39 | sriramr | Hi, Got a new laptop (Not mine office), started Debian on it lately. But have been facing issues with getting "alsa" & "iwlwifi" working. "iwlwifi" is not my priority. Thought I would ask for some help here about "alsa" & if anyone has the same laptop. The laptop model is HP Probook 640. (Sorry, if I'm posting the msg on the wrong channel). |
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| 17:27.20 | Ryccardo | sriramr: although I can help you better on the other issue ;) (install the appropriate firmware, which should be firmware-iwlwifi), you should post sound card model and PCI ID |
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| 17:30.49 | sriramr | Ryccardo: did try firmware-iwlwifi, shall do a check again. Just a min shall post the sound card model & pci id. |
| 17:31.22 | Ryccardo | sriramr: you need to reboot or reload the module after installing firmware, btw |
| 17:32.34 | sriramr | yea. I'm aware. :-) Have got them working with most h/w I've used. Except this latest one. |
| 17:32.40 | Sagar | slaps sriramr around a bit with a large trout |
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| 17:35.06 | sriramr | Sagar: why? |
| 17:35.15 | Sagar | u iz Sri Ram Shyam? |
| 17:35.28 | Sagar | i see you iz Sriram Raghunathan |
| 17:35.30 | Sagar | soz |
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| 17:35.52 | sriramr | I'm not someone that you name with the same name. :-) |
| 17:36.00 | Ooze | ayy |
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| 17:36.21 | Ooze | My sda1 partition ran out of space, so I'm trying to resize it and give it more from my home partition, but it won't let me |
| 17:36.23 | Sagar | :-) |
| 17:37.01 | Ooze | home is like sda5 under the sda2 partition, is there some way around this? |
| 17:37.10 | Ooze | I just need to make my file system partition bigger |
| 17:37.50 | Ryccardo | you'd need some way to move sda5 inwards, I think gparted (the live cd) can do it |
| 17:37.51 | sriramr | Ryccardo: lspci says=> has Intel Haswell HD Audio Controller & Intel Corporation Lynx Point HD Audio Controller. |
| 17:38.16 | Ooze | Ryccardo, I'm doing it from a live CD already, how would I move it inwards? |
| 17:38.18 | Walex | Ooze: that is wishing for ponies -- sure, you can get a pony, but it is going to cost you |
| 17:38.20 | Ooze | There's a swap partition infront of it |
| 17:38.26 | Ooze | Damn |
| 17:38.37 | heurist | Ooze: can you copy home off that machine and remove that partition? restore home from backup afterwards? |
| 17:38.47 | Ryccardo | Ooze: well, you can delete and recreate swap if it's not hibernated |
| 17:39.23 | Ooze | hermmmm |
| 17:39.36 | Ooze | Let me go take a scot or something of the breakdown, brb |
| 17:39.37 | heurist | Ooze: then that is easier, delete the swap partition, resize / into that, make home smaller and put the swap after it in sda6? |
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| 17:39.53 | Ryccardo | (and do you actually need swap?) |
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| 17:41.20 | Ryccardo | sriramr: are you using stable? try a newer kernel, it doesn't need firmware but is a relatively new card |
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| 17:41.42 | sriramr | yea, I'm using a stable one. |
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| 17:43.53 | sriramr | Shall try to move to testing/unstable. Thanks Ryccardo. |
| 17:44.13 | Ryccardo | sriramr: or use backports, if you prefer "mostly stable" |
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| 17:44.39 | ooze1 | hi again |
| 17:44.55 | Ryccardo | but yes, jessie is 90% of Sid with 10% of the headaches ;) |
| 17:45.57 | Ooze | Okay so this is what's going on http://a.pomf.se/vjxgub.png |
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| 17:46.17 | Ooze | It won't let me resize sda1 even if I've resized my home partition to half its existing |
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| 17:47.29 | Ooze | So you're saying back up, remove sda5 and sda6? |
| 17:47.36 | Ooze | Then try to add more onto sda1? |
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| 17:48.04 | mtn | Ooze: shrink sda6 from the left side, move swap over to the right, expand sda1. |
| 17:48.17 | sriramr | Ryccardo: I'm ok with unstable/testing. Have had them before. Just that, I did'nt want to try on it before checking with someone. |
| 17:48.24 | Ooze | How do I move swap to the right? |
| 17:48.40 | Ryccardo | you have root/swap/home? |
| 17:48.53 | Ryccardo | remove swap and expand / into the now free space |
| 17:48.55 | mtn | Ooze: move should be one of the options. make sure swap is not being used before trying |
| 17:49.02 | Ryccardo | shrink home and put swap there |
| 17:49.06 | Ooze | It shouldn't be, I'm on a live CD |
| 17:49.11 | Ooze | I'll go try that |
| 17:49.24 | mtn | Ooze: swap may very well be being used by the live disk |
| 17:49.36 | Ryccardo | `swapoff /dev/sd*` and the fright is gone |
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| 17:50.13 | mtn | right click in gparted should give the option, too, I would think |
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| 17:56.25 | Ooze | Hopefully it still werkz |
| 17:56.34 | Ooze | Probably going to take a while |
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| 18:18.18 | Lennart_Poetteri | Hai guys |
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| 18:20.25 | Lennart_Poetteri | cool story bro |
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| 18:20.39 | mtn | sunday is a good day for trolls |
| 18:22.12 | Lennart_Poetteri | i cant see any |
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| 18:22.40 | sriramr | Ryccardo: Thank you. It was a few latest upgrades from "jessie", that got it working. :-) "One more satisfied Customer" (Pun Intended). |
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| 18:25.52 | felangga | hoii |
| 18:26.13 | Lennart_Poetteri | haii :3 |
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| 18:27.13 | felangga | Lennart_Poetteri, hello lennart |
| 18:27.18 | felangga | Good night from my country :) |
| 18:27.57 | Lennart_Poetteri | good night from grmany |
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| 18:28.52 | felangga | it's 1.30 in Indonesia :) |
| 18:30.17 | dondelelcaro | felangga: if you speak indonesian, would you mind fixing the !id factoid to tell people to join #debian-id in indonesian? |
| 18:30.18 | Lennart_Poetteri | 20:30 here |
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| 18:33.23 | bastidrazor | 14:33 in the land of the free |
| 18:33.51 | felangga | dondelelcaro, hmm. . I'm not sure what are you talking about. !id factoid ? |
| 18:34.29 | felangga | I'm new in IRC, sorry |
| 18:35.31 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: id |
| 18:35.32 | dpkg | somebody said id was 1d3nt1f1c4t10n. Indonesia 3-letter: idn; countrycode #: 360, or #debian-id |
| 18:36.00 | dondelelcaro | felangga: we have language factoids like that to tell people how to get support in their native language; for example: |
| 18:36.03 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: gr |
| 18:36.04 | dpkg | Îιά βοήθεια ÏÏα Îλληνικά ÏαÏÎ±ÎºÎ±Î»Ï Î´Î¿ÎºÎ¹Î¼Î¬ÏÏε ÏÏο #debian-gr on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org). Gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian-gr on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org). For help in Greek please try #debian-gr on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org). |
| 18:37.17 | dondelelcaro | which helps, because sometimes people don't understand english, and we don't understand their language, so we can't tell them effectively where to get help |
| 18:38.16 | felangga | dpkg: id |
| 18:38.18 | dpkg | from memory, id is 1d3nt1f1c4t10n. Indonesia 3-letter: idn; countrycode #: 360, or #debian-id |
| 18:38.49 | felangga | dpkg: en |
| 18:38.49 | dpkg | The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de |
| 18:39.11 | dondelelcaro | so if you could write something like "For help in indonesian, please try #debian-id on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org)", that would be helpful. |
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| 18:39.31 | felangga | dondelelcaro, oh oke bro, how can I do that ? |
| 18:39.51 | dondelelcaro | felangga: just write it, and I'll do it for you |
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| 18:41.32 | felangga | Bantuan dalam bahasa Indonesia, anda bisa mencoba #debian-id di irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) |
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| 18:42.03 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, id is <reply> Bantuan dalam bahasa Indonesia, anda bisa mencoba #debian-id di irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org). For help in Indonesian, please try #debian-id on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) |
| 18:42.04 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 18:42.07 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: id |
| 18:42.08 | dpkg | Bantuan dalam bahasa Indonesia, anda bisa mencoba #debian-id di irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org). For help in Indonesian, please try #debian-id on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) |
| 18:42.08 | felangga | Is it too short ? |
| 18:42.15 | dondelelcaro | nope; totally OK. |
| 18:42.28 | dondelelcaro | thanks |
| 18:43.27 | felangga | Can I edit that again ? |
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| 18:43.39 | dondelelcaro | felangga: sure |
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| 18:45.28 | felangga | dpkg: id |
| 18:45.28 | dpkg | Bantuan dalam bahasa Indonesia, anda bisa mencoba #debian-id di irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org). For help in Indonesian, please try #debian-id on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) |
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| 18:47.46 | felangga | no, id is <reply> Silahkan kunjungi channel #debian-id di irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) untuk bantuan dalam bahasa Indonesia. For help in Indonesian, please try #debian-id on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) |
| 18:48.00 | felangga | dpkg: no, id is <reply> Silahkan kunjungi channel #debian-id di irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) untuk bantuan dalam bahasa Indonesia. For help in Indonesian, please try #debian-id on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) |
| 18:48.00 | dpkg | felangga: okay |
| 18:48.13 | felangga | dpkg: id |
| 18:48.13 | dpkg | Silahkan kunjungi channel #debian-id di irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) untuk bantuan dalam bahasa Indonesia. For help in Indonesian, please try #debian-id on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) |
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| 18:48.31 | felangga | nice :3 |
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| 18:59.55 | Excalibur | hey guys, is there a way to get mod-security 2.8.0-2 on Wheezy using apt? |
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| 19:04.23 | Kirk_Pyruss | hello |
| 19:05.02 | felangga | Hello |
| 19:06.35 | Kirk_Pyruss | I just reinstalled deb....now I want it to boot to cli (with startx as an option) I have grub2..... help? |
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| 19:07.11 | heurist | Kirk_Pyruss: what is it booting too now? |
| 19:07.19 | Kirk_Pyruss | gui |
| 19:07.48 | heurist | Kirk_Pyruss: ls /etc/init.d/ | egrep "dm|slim" says what? |
| 19:07.53 | Kirk_Pyruss | I also dula booted with 7 pro |
| 19:07.58 | Kirk_Pyruss | dual |
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| 19:10.05 | Kirk_Pyruss | gdm3 |
| 19:10.15 | heurist | Kirk_Pyruss: sudo update-rc.d gdm3 disable will make it boot to cli only. you can then start fiddling with startx. or just sudo service gdm3 start when you want use X |
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| 19:12.24 | fiola | Would be nice if the installer gave you the option of boot-to-VT or boot-to-gdm. |
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| 19:13.22 | heurist | fiola: the installer does let you choose not to install X, but that is not the same thing. gentoo had a nox grub commandline option for that, which I miss. |
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| 19:14.50 | fiola | Indeed, those are two very different things. It's not uncommon to want X and all its baggage installed to avoid quite a bit of work later, but not to boot to GUI directly. |
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| 19:15.07 | Kirk_Pyruss | I just tested it .... Thanks |
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| 19:15.32 | heurist | fiola: agreed. disabling the DM is easy enough though. |
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| 19:18.16 | Ryccardo | fiola: back when runlevels were set up by default to something meaningful (very well predating systemd), 3 was textmode and 5 with graphical login |
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| 19:18.55 | Ooze | Ugh this is going to take all day |
| 19:19.41 | fiola | Ryccardo: Yeah, old timer here so I remember it. But I'm not surprised that that notion disappeared, as run-level control is very coarse, and quite inflexible. |
| 19:19.45 | Kirk_Pyruss | where is the rc.d file anyhoiw? |
| 19:20.09 | heurist | Ooze: you could also find a large directory (/var maybe) and make that into a new partition at sda6. |
| 19:20.10 | puty|2 | hi. it's possible to do screen mirroring with wheezy and smart tv? (just via wifi) thanks |
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| 19:20.24 | heurist | Kirk_Pyruss: /etc/init.d/gdm3 |
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| 19:24.14 | debbie_ | i have klondike stuck in fullscreen mode alt+enter doesnt resolve the issue |
| 19:24.23 | debbie_ | any suggestions? |
| 19:24.33 | debbie_ | i tried every single alt key |
| 19:24.40 | debbie_ | combination |
| 19:24.57 | potatoface | debbie_: you should start xkill :) |
| 19:25.06 | Ryccardo | ctrl+alt+f2, username, password, pkill klondike |
| 19:25.15 | heurist | debbie_: I do not know what klondike is, but ESC or F11 are common keys to get out of fullscreen. |
| 19:25.15 | debbie_ | when i relaunch the applicaiton its stuck in fullscreen again |
| 19:25.22 | debbie_ | oh i can alt tab out of it |
| 19:25.42 | debbie_ | -application |
| 19:25.57 | potatoface | debbie_: alter the resolution in the config by hand when its not running |
| 19:26.11 | potatoface | debbie_: then restart |
| 19:26.21 | debbie_ | i figured there's an alt combination to restart the dropdown toolbars |
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| 19:26.28 | debbie_ | thans |
| 19:26.32 | debbie_ | -restore |
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| 19:29.41 | Kirk_Pyruss | ok I have another q... everytime I want to install a package..it asks for the dvd...is there a way to disable that & make it rely on the repositorys? |
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| 19:30.26 | heurist | Kirk_Pyruss: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the line with the DVD. |
| 19:30.30 | Ryccardo | remove the "cdrom:" line in /etc/apt/sources.list and `apt-get update` |
| 19:30.47 | heurist | dpkg: tell Kirk_Pyruss -about sources.list |
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| 19:36.33 | Ooze | heurist, Yeah I might do that, I almost think I might make /tmp bigger |
| 19:37.08 | Ooze | I'll empty it every once and a while but it still requires a reboot until the system thinks it's empty |
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| 19:41.42 | Kirk_Pyruss | ok another q? ;) on the grub2... its ok ...but the time out of 3 secs? i need (or want to ) increase that a bit |
| 19:42.05 | Ryccardo | edit /etc/default/grub, then `update-grub` |
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| 19:43.21 | Ooze | Can I set a static internal IP for my debian machine on the router or should I do it locally? |
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| 19:43.50 | heurist | Ooze: if your router does dhcp then set it there. |
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| 19:44.17 | Ooze | Well I have Auto Config DHCP or I can do static |
| 19:44.38 | Ooze | I don't know how I assign the ip though, there's only DNS 1, 2, and 3 fields |
| 19:44.42 | heurist | Ooze: both work, but it is simple to set up on the router. |
| 19:45.45 | ampleyfly | you can set up a static dhcp assignment |
| 19:45.45 | Kirk_Pyruss | :) |
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| 19:45.55 | ampleyfly | nothing to do with dns as far as i know |
| 19:45.56 | heurist | Ooze: you can set it static on debian, but you have to make sure you do not use an address that the router might give out later. you will need to find the IP assignment options on the router to check that anyway. |
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| 19:46.25 | Ryccardo | Ooze: for the router, check if you can customize the "lease interval" for a machine (set it super high), many routers I've used also do semi-static addressing based on MAC by default |
| 19:46.49 | brontosaurusrex | Ooze: usually you can use dhcp and reserve specific ip for specific mac adress < on the router |
| 19:48.09 | Ooze | Yeah I'm digging around |
| 19:48.21 | Ooze | It's just the common linksys deal |
| 19:48.45 | Ooze | I'm just sick of having to redirect all my ports every time I restart the router/modem |
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| 19:54.30 | Ooze | my sda5 and sda6 partitions got fucked in gparted |
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| 19:55.00 | Ooze | Should I unmount swap and whatever else like what was suggested earlier and try again? |
| 19:55.02 | Ooze | Should I reboot first? |
| 19:55.34 | Ademan | Dumb question, is there a way to bootstrap a "useful" live environment on the netinstaller cd? Last night I performed an install but I tried to install grub to my raid 1 array rather than one of the hard disks, which appears not to have worked... therefore I'd like to just run the net installer but only install grub. Suggestions? |
| 19:56.01 | Ademan | if I drop into a shell from the net installer I just get ash and almost no utilities, and no apparent way to pull in more software |
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| 19:56.16 | heurist | Ooze: definitely swapoff before you fiddle with the swap partition. |
| 19:56.36 | Ooze | How do I do that again? Swap was sda5 but I had errors on both sda5 and sda6 |
| 19:57.07 | heurist | Ooze: swapoff /dev/sda5 |
| 19:57.28 | Ooze | It's showing up damaged or something in gparted |
| 19:57.30 | Ooze | It's black |
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| 19:58.10 | Ooze | I know at the end of the day I'll end up having to reinstall or something :( |
| 19:58.55 | heurist | Ooze: you are not trying to resize the partitions of the system that is running are you? that is a bad idea. boot from a liveImage and work from there. |
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| 20:01.06 | Ooze | I am on a live CD |
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| 20:01.13 | Ooze | says sda5 is invalid, not found |
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| 20:01.18 | Ooze | gparted says it's unknown |
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| 20:01.51 | Ooze | I think my other partitions are fine, but my swap got messed up |
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| 20:02.04 | heurist | Ooze: live CD is good. nothing should be mounted. I know noting about gparted, never used the parted tools. |
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| 20:02.23 | heurist | Ooze: you can just delete the swap partition |
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| 20:02.32 | Ooze | Okayyyy |
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| 20:02.36 | Ooze | Should I reboot first or anything? |
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| 20:03.17 | heurist | Ooze: if things are funky it might be a good idea. shouldn't do any harm. |
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| 20:08.00 | Kirk_Pyruss | Hmmmm |
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| 20:12.11 | Kirk_Pyruss | ok here is a startx question , I want to default to gnome classic when I startx (so I am an older user that is familer with that) |
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| 20:18.22 | Ryccardo | Kirk_Pyruss: find out if there's a session script for gnome flashback (`gnome-session-something`?), put "exec gnome-session-something" in ~/.xinitrc file |
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| 20:21.34 | Kirk_Pyruss | where is that file? |
| 20:22.10 | Ryccardo | ".xinitrc" in your home |
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| 20:22.52 | Ademan | Ok how does one find out from a running debian system, what the corresponding grub disk names are? afaik sda1 = hd0,0 sda2=hd0,1 sdb1=hd1,0 etc but it'd be nice if I could get a canonical answer from grub |
| 20:23.10 | Ademan | and I'm aware that at boot time things may be slightly different too, but assuming nothing changes... |
| 20:23.32 | heurist | Ademan: cat /boot/grub/device.map |
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| 20:25.57 | Kirk_Pyruss | I don't see that file |
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| 20:26.57 | Ryccardo | Kirk_Pyruss: so create it... :) |
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| 20:29.19 | fiola | Ryccardo: It's just a shell script, so you could make its contents as simple as (for example, if one's window manager is icewm): xterm & icewm |
| 20:29.40 | Ryccardo | fiola: you have poor taste IMO :p |
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| 20:30.17 | Ooze | mission successful? |
| 20:31.00 | fiola | Ryccardo: taste doesn't come into it, I'm an engineer and go for functionality. Plus, it's a silly remark because icewm has a bazillion themes, and thus you can't even know what mine looks like. |
| 20:31.24 | Ooze | woooo |
| 20:31.38 | phy1729 | ,v vim |
| 20:31.39 | judd | Package: vim on i386 -- squeeze: 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1; squeeze-backports: 2:7.3.547-7~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:7.3.547-7; sid: 2:7.4.430-1; jessie: 2:7.4.430-1 |
| 20:32.14 | Ryccardo | fiola: it's about xterm ;) |
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| 20:34.17 | bint | does anyone use putty |
| 20:34.37 | bint | because once i connect to my server and i enter the wrong user name |
| 20:34.43 | bint | i'm stuck at the password promt |
| 20:34.53 | bint | is there a way to cancel the pwd promt and enter another username |
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| 20:35.01 | bint | or do i really have to close putty and restart it again? |
| 20:35.08 | Ryccardo | tried ctrl+C ? |
| 20:35.14 | fiola | My mistake, I should have chosen a term window with a ton of unused features, huge dependency list, and pointless adornments. Sorry, I'll get it right one day. |
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| 20:35.18 | Ademan | thanks heurist |
| 20:35.19 | bint | nope |
| 20:35.21 | bint | i tried ctrl D |
| 20:35.44 | bint | ctrl closes putty aswell |
| 20:37.52 | Kirk_Pyruss | brb |
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| 20:47.07 | tharkun | What would be the command to know what font xterm is using? |
| 20:47.47 | addaitech | appres XTerm xterm |
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| 20:55.32 | tharkun | addaitech: Thanks lots of info there |
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| 20:59.19 | Kirk_Pyruss | as a note : update-alternatives --config x-session-manager did it |
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| 21:00.24 | babilen | Kirk_Pyruss: fwiw, it is tricky to get everything right when it comes to startx and I'd recommend a display manager |
| 21:01.12 | Kirk_Pyruss | looks ok for now....I want to lear more from the cli...but stuff like irc is better in gui |
| 21:01.21 | Kirk_Pyruss | learn |
| 21:01.26 | babilen | If you aren't comfortable with that then make sure to start dbus and use "startx -- vt1" to start it and install libpam-systemd |
| 21:01.53 | nurupo | #debian-next is on a different irc network, huh |
| 21:02.30 | babilen | So, you'd have something like "exec dbus-launch exec ..." in your ~/.xsession file if you use that (and not just the default) |
| 21:02.35 | babilen | nurupo: It is indeed |
| 21:02.43 | heurist | Kirk_Pyruss: weechat and irssi are both nice irc clients that do not need X |
| 21:03.08 | nurupo | just wanted to complain that i can't view any youtube videos with the new Chromium (version 38) update in debian testing, but it's too much trouble to add a new network to my irc bouncer |
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| 21:03.10 | babilen | and they are even nicer with tmux |
| 21:03.14 | Ryccardo | heurist: ...once you figure out how to change channels in irssi, I can agree :) |
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| 21:03.29 | Kirk_Pyruss | I use mc to do file work |
| 21:04.08 | Ademan | So just to triple check this. smartctl --all $disk reports a table with a column "TYPE". Some of the rows in that column say "Old_age" and others say "Pre-fail" that just indicates the type of the statistic collected, correct? It says nothing about the actual status of the statistic? |
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| 21:04.28 | Ademan | As best I can tell this is the case (my own interpretation + some googling) but I want to triple check |
| 21:05.00 | Ryccardo | Ademan: don't worry about that label, it just describes in 2 categories what an out of acceptable range parameter should warn you of |
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| 21:05.57 | Ademan | Ryccardo: thanks, that's what I was hoping |
| 21:06.00 | Ryccardo | an almost brand new drive will show 1 (hour) in the power time field which is of the "old age" kind ;) |
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| 21:08.13 | rryoumaa | Ademan: the best explanation i have ever found is http://www.smartmontools.org/browser/trunk/www/badblockhowto.xml |
| 21:08.27 | rryoumaa | also possibly http://lime-technology.com/wiki/index.php/Understanding_SMART_Reports |
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| 21:08.47 | Ademan | also is there a user space NFS server in jessie? I'm aware of "ganesha" but it doesn't appear available (I can and will build it myself I suppose) |
| 21:08.59 | Ademan | rryoumaa: thanks I'll give it a read |
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| 21:10.27 | rryoumaa | my executive summary is this: raw values for offline uncorrectable and similar are what matter |
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| 21:11.38 | Ryccardo | yep, most things can't be properly represented in the "danger if less than something out of 255" system |
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| 21:12.43 | rryoumaa | i wonder what values seagate uses before it will replace a drive |
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| 21:15.00 | Ryccardo | they actually use that as a basis for replacement? |
| 21:15.19 | rryoumaa | they use some values |
| 21:15.40 | rryoumaa | another question is what units lbas are in when they say lbas writte. 4096 bytes? |
| 21:15.55 | rryoumaa | (241 Total_LBAs_Written 0x0000 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 18453754405) |
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| 21:16.30 | Ryccardo | check with fdisk's "p" command, most likely a half kib |
| 21:17.32 | Ryccardo | "Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes" |
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| 21:18.08 | Ademan | hrm well this sucks, despite a clean SMART report I just received a few of these "ata1.00: failed command: READ DMA" in dmesg |
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| 21:19.09 | Ryccardo | if you can reinstall, try dd if=/dev/zero etc -- writing often makes the controller remap bad sectors |
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| 21:21.38 | Ademan | hrm, well it's part of a raid 1 array. Having never admined raid before, could I like drop the offending disk from the array, zero it like you suggest, then re add it and have it re-mirror? |
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| 21:22.16 | Ryccardo | no idea, honestly |
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| 21:22.27 | Ademan | these drives tbh were thrown out by my buddy's company. I expected they had some life left in them, but that may just be wishful thinking |
| 21:22.27 | dondelelcaro | Ademan: if you don't see failed sectors, then I'd check cabling first |
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| 21:23.08 | Ademan | er not "thrown out", but they let him have them, so they were replaced under some circumstances that I don't really know |
| 21:23.11 | dondelelcaro | Ademan: also, do you have the full smart output handy? |
| 21:23.31 | Ademan | dondelelcaro: one second |
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| 21:24.56 | Janhouse | hi! How can I get list of files available in apt repository? |
| 21:25.16 | Janhouse | I'm not on debian based ditro but I would like to see what the repository has |
| 21:25.22 | dondelelcaro | Janhouse: apt-file, if I'm guessing what you're asking for. |
| 21:25.27 | dondelelcaro | Janhouse: otherwise packages.debian.org |
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| 21:25.58 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: Thanks the firmware worked wonderfully and xrandr has been doing its job as suggested. I ou a big one. Thanks |
| 21:26.08 | Janhouse | No, I have a repo link that has disabled file index and I want to see the list of packages they have. I do not have debian. |
| 21:26.33 | Janhouse | Is there some file that has info on the contents of the repo? |
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| 21:27.08 | Ademan | dondelelcaro: https://bpaste.net/show/71b30fcaf736 one second and I'll grab the offending part of dmesg too |
| 21:27.48 | dondelelcaro | Janhouse: again, http://packages.debian.org has listings of all of the files, or you can use a mirror which doesn't have that disabled. |
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| 21:28.09 | Ademan | dondelelcaro: https://bpaste.net/show/c36f78e2dde0 dmesg |
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| 21:30.20 | Ademan | it's odd to me the value is > threshold for Raw_Read_Error_Rate but the raw value is 0... |
| 21:30.59 | Ryccardo | normal, due to how it's implemented |
| 21:31.08 | Ryccardo | low "values" are worse |
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| 21:31.36 | Ryccardo | and of course less errors ever occurred are better |
| 21:31.40 | dondelelcaro | Ademan: so your drive looks totally OK to me; you haven't run a self test, but it looks like that will finish soonish |
| 21:31.46 | Ryccardo | there's some conversion curve in the firmware |
| 21:31.55 | dondelelcaro | Ademan: I'd personally suspect cable or controller problems first |
| 21:32.12 | dondelelcaro | Ademan: it's possible that the sata cable is bad or isn't fully plugged in or the controller is garbage |
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| 21:32.32 | Ademan | dondelelcaro: disk controller or sata controller on the mobo? |
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| 21:32.46 | dondelelcaro | Ademan: sata controller on the motherboard. I'd suspect cables first, though |
| 21:32.59 | dondelelcaro | Ademan: if you've got a different set of sata cables, I'd try them |
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| 21:33.32 | Ademan | thanks dondelelcaro Ryccardo |
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| 21:34.03 | dondelelcaro | Ademan: your error rate is 0; you want to read the raw numbers, not the value... (the value tends to be a measure of how "failed" the drive is, and is often totally worthless) |
| 21:35.28 | dondelelcaro | this drive also has a super-high load cycle count, but you'd have to read the sata documentation for this particular drive model to see if that's actually bad |
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| 21:35.47 | holla | ciao |
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| 21:36.39 | holla | !list |
| 21:36.39 | dpkg | holla: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 21:39.27 | teraflops | i was tempetd to ask holla if gonna do list I swear :\ |
| 21:40.30 | Ademan | ah thanks |
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| 21:44.14 | Ademan | also, this is my first time using debian instead of ubuntu, and I noticed I don't have sudo, but have a root account. Is there any consensus on which approach is preferable? |
| 21:44.55 | Ryccardo | it depends on whatever you chose during installation, actually |
| 21:44.56 | teraflops | Ademan: install sudo or avoid the root account while installing |
| 21:45.11 | Ryccardo | I prefer sudo as it's more configurable (timestamp_timeout=2000) |
| 21:45.54 | Ademan | hrm, I don't remember being prompted by the netinstaller, but it was rather late so I may have just missed it |
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| 21:47.01 | metallic | Ademan, I am on Debian right now and I do have the sudo command |
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| 21:49.22 | Ademan | metallic: do you have an opinion on which is a superior configuration? (sudo+disabled root vs no-sudo+root) |
| 21:49.59 | abrotman | it's up to you to use the one that best fits your usage patterns |
| 21:50.01 | metallic | what do you mean exactly? setting root to be a different user? |
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| 21:51.56 | Ademan | abrotman: well, I'm used to sudo+disabled root from ubuntu, but I'm adaptable. I'd rather select the "more secure" choice, if either of them is clearly more secure (though I suspect that's a matter of opinion, and perhaps usage pattern too) |
| 21:52.47 | Ryccardo | none is inherently more secure |
| 21:53.27 | Ryccardo | (well, root account disabled means passwordless single user by default, so much for init=/bin/sh) |
| 21:54.02 | Ademan | hah |
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| 21:56.52 | abrotman | Ademan: given that most people misuse sudo, probably neither is "more secure" as typically used |
| 21:57.47 | karlpinc | Ademan: I find the trouble with sudo is that it gives "1 password" remote access to root. Since I generally turn off being able to ssh to root, this makes sudo less secure. YMMV. |
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| 22:01.41 | Ademan | thanks on both points |
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| 22:02.23 | linuxguy | Hi I'm having problems with debian 7 and TP-link wireless USB adapter any help would be great |
| 22:02.25 | Ademan | karlpinc I assume it's still possible to ssh as a regular user, then su to root right? |
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| 22:05.44 | aguitel | can i use zsync with no previus cd image in my local pc? |
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| 22:06.27 | tremon | btw, sudo can also be configured to ask for the password of the root account instead of the account running sudo |
| 22:07.23 | Kirk_Pyruss | seems that would be safer |
| 22:07.32 | abrotman | it can also be configured to only allow certain commands |
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| 22:21.58 | nezZario | so what happens when debian runs out of toystory characters? |
| 22:22.00 | nezZario | =) |
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| 22:23.00 | Ryccardo | I vote for crazy plants |
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| 22:23.10 | Ademan | nezZario: names of children of different pairings of toy story characters from erotic toy story fiction |
| 22:23.15 | Ademan | fanfiction* |
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| 22:24.34 | frostschutz | nezZario, stop releasing... |
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| 22:25.17 | AimHere | Has anyone calculated when Toy Story runs out of names, and corroborates that with the average Debian release interval? |
| 22:25.26 | Ademan | (go back to the old release schedule) |
| 22:25.30 | AimHere | We're probably good until sometime in the 2100s |
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| 22:25.49 | karlpinc | Ademan: Sure, although I find 'su -' is better than just su. |
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| 22:35.25 | nycat | does anyone know how mutt/sendmail pics the domain to append to the username? |
| 22:35.59 | nycat | I've configured my muttrc to fix the sending email, but I want to have it configured for every user w/o a special muttrc |
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| 22:38.06 | LV-426 | nycat, man mailname |
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| 22:40.44 | nycat | LV-426: thanks |
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| 22:42.05 | linuxguy | Hi I'm having problemswith a TP-link Wireless usb adapter and debian 7 installation, any help would be great |
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| 22:45.50 | Ryccardo | tp-link doesn't make their own chipsets, check what they've rebranded (use lspci or lsusb as appropriate) |
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| 22:47.33 | tharkun | So I gave xterm too many parameters in $HOME/.Xresources and xrdb -merge .Xresources now how can I revert to the original defaults? |
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| 22:48.53 | linuxguy | Ryccardo thanks, I was looking at the debian website about chipsets to, theres nothing on the box either about what chipset it is.... do you think I could get it working? |
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| 22:49.12 | Ryccardo | maybe... |
| 22:49.23 | sysvalve | tharkun: you can use -remove or -load (no merge, just load those that you want) |
| 22:49.39 | Ryccardo | I just helped a friend with a tp-link (on windows), turned out to be a broadcom |
| 22:49.53 | tharkun | sysvalve: Thanks :D |
| 22:50.18 | sysvalve | tharkun: or, you know, just delete the entries and fire up a new xterm :P |
| 22:50.53 | tharkun | sysvalve: nuking entries didn't work but -remove did :D |
| 22:51.19 | sysvalve | tharkun: yeah, because the server internal database still has them |
| 22:51.27 | sysvalve | that's why you need to -remove |
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| 22:51.38 | sysvalve | or -load the defaults (usually in /etc/whatever) |
| 22:52.19 | tharkun | sysvalve: Taking note. But whatever the default font is it is the best drawn and most clear. |
| 22:53.31 | sysvalve | tharkun: i always change the font |
| 22:53.53 | sysvalve | to courier new or some classic monospace font |
| 22:54.32 | tharkun | sysvalve: I'm actually looking for something clean, monospace and clear. Any sugestions? |
| 22:55.35 | richac | anyone here use selinux? |
| 22:55.45 | tharkun | On the 6 to 8 points size |
| 22:55.54 | tharkun | !tell richac about ask |
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| 22:56.55 | sysvalve | tharkun: as I said, Courier New 10 is the one I use |
| 22:56.57 | richac | !selinux |
| 22:56.57 | dpkg | Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is NSA's port of the FLASK Security Architecture to Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. Unofficial FAQ: http://www.crypt.gen.nz/selinux/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux http://selinuxproject.org/ #selinux on irc.freenode.net. See also <apparmor>, <tomoyo>. |
| 22:57.09 | sysvalve | maybe it's not the best but I find it very comfortable for coding |
| 22:57.26 | sysvalve | maybe I need to discover new fonts ^^ |
| 22:57.36 | heurist | dpkg: tell richac -about msg the bot |
| 22:57.36 | richac | hahah, well it didn't make it unbootable. but idef screwed it up trying to fix it for plasma.desktop |
| 22:58.28 | heurist | tharkun: sysvalve: terminus is nice. |
| 22:58.52 | sysvalve | heurist: thanks, I'll check it out |
| 22:59.43 | tharkun | heurist: wow the 8 point rendering is excelent |
| 23:00.04 | tharkun | Damn lag. |
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| 23:08.12 | tharkun | sysvalve, heurist: What terminal do you normally use? |
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| 23:08.22 | monkwitdafunk | hi debian channel |
| 23:08.30 | linuxguy | Ryccardo do you think I could get the TP-link adapter to work with debian? |
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| 23:08.37 | heurist | tharkun: xterm or urxvt |
| 23:08.47 | Ryccardo | linuxguy: depends on chipset, as I said |
| 23:08.51 | monkwitdafunk | i am trying to run wheezy kernel 3.2 on my intel atom zotac(2010) |
| 23:09.01 | monkwitdafunk | installing without an internet connection |
| 23:09.10 | tharkun | heurist: mrxvt? |
| 23:09.15 | tharkun | any comments? |
| 23:09.32 | monkwitdafunk | xterm sounds more documented |
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| 23:10.48 | heurist | tharkun: I do not need asian languages, so I have not tried mrxvt, urxvt has always been good enough for foreign characters. |
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| 23:11.46 | monkwitdafunk | with debian without an internet connection, i do not have SMART reporting status. with ubuntu trusty with an internet connection, i have SMART status supported. |
| 23:12.04 | monkwitdafunk | i have marvell raid 1 |
| 23:12.21 | sysvalve | tharkun: urxvt |
| 23:12.38 | heurist | monkwitdafunk: apt-get install smartmontools |
| 23:12.47 | monkwitdafunk | i did that |
| 23:12.54 | monkwitdafunk | i need modules i think |
| 23:13.21 | sysvalve | monkwitdafunk: well, I'm just typing commands on it. No need to have a very advanced knowledge :) |
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| 23:13.53 | monkwitdafunk | no. i used synaptic to install smartmontools and it doesnt show in disk utility |
| 23:14.29 | monkwitdafunk | i think i need additional modules when installing |
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| 23:16.00 | monkwitdafunk | if there is no open source answer then the OEM of the raid card does not provide them |
| 23:16.20 | eth2 | yea you prob need a specific kernel module |
| 23:16.23 | eth2 | onboard raid? |
| 23:16.36 | monkwitdafunk | no. pci-e 1 |
| 23:16.57 | monkwitdafunk | i like the idea of sata 3 as part of a performance policy for refurbished |
| 23:17.06 | monkwitdafunk | systems |
| 23:19.16 | monkwitdafunk | i know the kernel module is there because of ubuntu and the internet |
| 23:20.03 | monkwitdafunk | i did a firmware search and it looks like it is somewhere. i guess i have to do it again when searching for software on the internet |
| 23:21.55 | monkwitdafunk | i believe that debian users must know where to get modules/firmware/drivers to really put their foot in the door eh |
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| 23:24.24 | monkwitdafunk | for exaple i canbe using nvidia certified drivers instead of the other less OEM tested |
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| 23:26.47 | monkwitdafunk | does anyone think i should buy this marvell raid card again? |
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| 23:37.24 | qman__ | You may need to enable non-free sources and install a firmware package to make it work |
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| 23:37.52 | qman__ | monkwitdafunk: ubuntu ships with those by default where debian does not |
| 23:38.09 | monkwitdafunk | yes. ok. |
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| 23:38.57 | monkwitdafunk | synaptic package manager is the answer then |
| 23:39.06 | monkwitdafunk | or aptitude? |
| 23:41.08 | qman__ | As root: sed -i /etc/apt/sources.list -e 's/main$/main contrib non-free/'; apt-get-update |
| 23:41.28 | qman__ | That enables non-free but you will need a connection to get the packages |
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| 23:42.23 | qman__ | If you can't get one you can search packages.debian.org and download the debs manually |
| 23:42.35 | monkwitdafunk | no no. installing without the internet is what i want to do |
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| 23:42.46 | monkwitdafunk | yeah yeah. that is what i did |
| 23:43.26 | monkwitdafunk | i got the zip format from there and unpacked it when installing with the unpacked zip on removable media |
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| 23:45.02 | qman__ | you're probably going to want linux-firmware, and there may be another for your device |
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| 23:45.49 | monkwitdafunk | okay. i have to repeat my process |
| 23:45.53 | qman__ | Searching for all the firmware packages and guessing by names whether or not its for your hardware |
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| 23:46.45 | monkwitdafunk | okay. are all my problems solved if i get the 10 dvd repositories? |
| 23:47.12 | monkwitdafunk | i have an interest in os level virtualization set up before network time protocol |
| 23:47.26 | qman__ | Only if that includes contrib and non-free |
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| 23:49.25 | monkwitdafunk | i might buy the repository on dvd soon |
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| 23:50.15 | qman__ | It might be easier to just go online, install what you need, save the debs from /var/cache/apt/archive and then reinstall offline |
| 23:50.56 | monkwitdafunk | synaptic package download script sounds like it. how do i search? |
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| 23:52.48 | qman__ | I would: apt-cache search firmware | less |
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