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| 00:00.46 | atari314 | heurist: ty for the reply, I'm kinda lost here. Lets say this is my /etc/hosts (http://pastebin.com/FPJTGGbk), I want to setup the FQDN for a its mail server, would this /etc/hosts (http://pastebin.com/bxQsBy3T) be valid? |
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| 00:03.49 | heurist | atari314: if you did that and then run ping mail.mydomain.com it would ping 127.0.1.1, so yes, but only that box would use that. I am not sure exactly what you are trying to do, but you might need to use a proper DNS server to get what you want. |
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| 00:05.38 | atari314 | heurist: I have a small vps that I'm using as a small webserver but I also want to host my mail service there, reading through some guides they usually say I have to setup a FQDN for the mail.domain.com |
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| 00:09.31 | heurist | atari314: there is no *need* to use "mail." in the name of a mail server, it is just to help you remember which machine you set to handle the mail. if you run host -t mx google.com you will see than none of google's mail servers have "mail" in their names. Sounds like you still have a lot of research to do, but I have heard that dnsmasq is intended for your sort of setup. maybe look at that? |
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| 00:11.37 | atari314 | heurist: yes I do sir :) tyvm for the info, I'll look into that. |
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| 00:34.32 | bezaban | has anyone tried installing debian on the new dell xps 13" sputnik laptops? I know they are sold with ubuntu, but still curious |
| 00:34.36 | Exodist | I have a mission-critical package that is also quite huge. When I use dpkg to update it to a new version it seems to erase the old one, the put the new one in place. PRoblem is this process takes about a minute, and during that minute anything that uses that package fails. Is there a better way to upgrade a .deb, like an atomic swap upgrade? |
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| 00:35.35 | heurist | bezaban: if they are sold with linux (of any flavour) you stand a better chance of all the hardware being linux friendly. So I would be optimistic. |
| 00:35.45 | bezaban | Exodist: I think you need to be more specific, is this a legacy package? |
| 00:35.57 | Exodist | it is a home-grown package |
| 00:36.16 | Exodist | we build it once a week, then deploy it to machines, web servers, and during the 1-minute dpkg is running the servers crash |
| 00:36.29 | Exodist | they crash because the files dissapear for a period of time |
| 00:36.39 | Exodist | if we skip using packages we just swap a symlink and they don't crash |
| 00:36.54 | Exodist | but we need it to be a package for our new system that manages all the servers |
| 00:36.55 | bezaban | heurist: absolutely, but I know that there are some kernel features that won't be in until 3.17 (mst). Don't think I can expect a kernel upgrade in wheezy unless the kernel is patched |
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| 00:37.44 | heurist | Exodist: dpkg (apt and its ilk) does it that way. I would think about do some sort of "upgrade in place" mechanism instead of using apt. you can also leave the old one running and install the new one. then restart later. |
| 00:37.45 | dahveed311 | bezaban: curious, how much are those these days? i was interested in one a while back |
| 00:37.58 | bezaban | Exodist: this doesnt seem to be a wheezy problem? |
| 00:38.10 | dahveed311 | what about wheezy kernel from backports? |
| 00:38.26 | Exodist | bezaban, not specific to any .deb based dist no, just to systems that use debian packages |
| 00:38.38 | Exodist | did I join the wrong channel for my question? |
| 00:39.11 | rudi_s | Exodist: No. |
| 00:39.26 | bezaban | dahveed311: it's not in stable yet. So could very well be included in backports with time. The XPS in question is about 10k NOK |
| 00:39.49 | rudi_s | But as heurist said, it's how dpkg works. I think in your case you should consider using a different way to distribute those programs. |
| 00:40.01 | bezaban | and biggest issue afaik is no triple screen support without docking, so not major |
| 00:40.06 | Stevie-O | ugh, I want to harm the person who came up with the idea of DPI autodetection in X |
| 00:40.14 | Exodist | rudi_s, darn, we ar emoving away from a homegrown solution that sucks ass into a dpkg based system. |
| 00:40.37 | heurist | Exodist: test your package for in-place upgrades and do that route. look at how weechat does it (using dpkg) or use a language that supports your use case (erlang is designed for this). |
| 00:41.04 | Exodist | heh, replacing our 14 year old perl base with a new language is prohibitive. |
| 00:41.08 | rudi_s | Exodist: A dirty solution would be to provide the tarball in the deb-package and perform the atomic extract in a postinstall hook. - But look at heurist's solution first. |
| 00:42.22 | heurist | Exodist: heh. yes. just do not stop the service during update. and make it robust enough to handle file changes in the background. |
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| 00:42.39 | rudi_s | That would be the best way, yeah. |
| 00:42.39 | dahveed311 | thanks, i think i might pick one up next month |
| 00:43.16 | Stevie-O | why is my kde in 640x480 |
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| 00:43.38 | Stevie-O | more importantly, how do I fix this |
| 00:44.09 | heurist | Stevie-O: drivers first. then xrandr ? |
| 00:45.30 | Stevie-O | okay... X has changed a bit in the last 15 years |
| 00:45.44 | somiaj | Exodist: could you use the postinst and preinst scripts to put the service on hold during the upgrade process? |
| 00:45.44 | Stevie-O | I see three drivers loaded: intel, vesa, and fbdev |
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| 00:46.14 | somiaj | Stevie-O: only one actually is loaded, but the auto detect tools go though multiple to figure out the best. |
| 00:46.18 | Stevie-O | oh |
| 00:46.25 | Stevie-O | how do I figure out which one actually got loaded |
| 00:46.25 | somiaj | Stevie-O: usually you will see tons of lines on the one that is actually loaded |
| 00:46.55 | somiaj | the log file usually makes it clear, one will be spitting tons of info about modesets and resolutions, etc |
| 00:47.10 | Stevie-O | "grep Using /var/log/Xorg.0.log" gave me a lot of lines that said VESA |
| 00:47.18 | Stevie-O | does that mean I'm using the VESA driver? |
| 00:47.38 | Stevie-O | which, as I understand it, is the bare-minimum-works-on-damn-near-everything-but-isn't-very-fancy driver |
| 00:48.03 | Stevie-O | but BMWODNEBIVF is tough to spell correctly so they called it VESA instead ;-) |
| 00:48.14 | somiaj | Stevie-O: correct, xorg will load that module but only use it as a fallback if another one doens't detect a compadable video card |
| 00:48.35 | Stevie-O | it's the builtin graphics chipset on the newer Intel CPUs |
| 00:48.45 | Stevie-O | what is the appropriate way to configure the driver? |
| 00:48.53 | somiaj | Stevie-O: you can put your Xorg.0.log file at paste.debian.net and someone may look at it if you can't figure out which is the driver being used. Usually the later lines let you know that |
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| 00:49.15 | somiaj | depends on the driver, but with free drives like intel or radeon you just let xorg detect it which works most the time |
| 00:49.28 | somiaj | though the drivers in wheezy don't detect newer intel haswell cards I belive |
| 00:49.52 | Stevie-O | ah! that's the issue, then |
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| 00:50.07 | Stevie-O | it's a brand-spanking-new i7-4790S |
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| 00:50.31 | Stevie-O | okay how do I provide the necessary enlightenment to Wheezy |
| 00:50.32 | somiaj | yea on my laptop I had to run jessie to get the video card detetect. Though you can get a backported kernel they haven't backported the intel video driver last I checked |
| 00:50.44 | Stevie-O | ah |
| 00:50.46 | somiaj | it is a newer intel i5 with haswell graphics set |
| 00:51.24 | Stevie-O | I am not feeling up to building my own kernel tonight :( are there prebuilt backported kernels? |
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| 00:53.19 | blackjack | somiaj, how about newer AMD architecture like piledriver and infinity? |
| 00:53.23 | Stevie-O | meh |
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| 00:53.39 | blackjack | is it still not supported on deb? |
| 00:53.45 | Stevie-O | okay |
| 00:53.53 | Stevie-O | is Jessie in a functional state right now? |
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| 00:56.13 | bezaban | Stevie-O: it is testing. Functional will depend on requirements, you will not get a better answer |
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| 00:56.19 | Stevie-O | well |
| 00:56.23 | bezaban | it works |
| 00:56.43 | bezaban | kinda ;) |
| 00:56.47 | TyrfingMjolnir | I would like to make my own repo |
| 00:56.50 | TyrfingMjolnir | How? |
| 00:56.50 | Stevie-O | for comparison: a few months ago Jessie was apparently in a bad state and barely worked for anybody, something about gearing up for a release |
| 00:56.59 | TyrfingMjolnir | I have set up an apache server |
| 00:57.17 | TyrfingMjolnir | Now I will have to dump some deb files in certain folders |
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| 00:57.21 | TyrfingMjolnir | I guess.... |
| 00:57.59 | bezaban | Stevie-O: you can't get an answer, your query is too unspecific. if it had been you'd still be in the wrong place, as this is wheezy support |
| 00:58.17 | Stevie-O | fair enough |
| 00:58.27 | bezaban | baski |
| 00:58.36 | Stevie-O | baski? |
| 00:58.39 | bezaban | basically you can't expect anything from testing |
| 00:58.44 | bezaban | sorry :) |
| 00:58.46 | blackjack | is wheezy supporting the new AMD architecture piledriver? |
| 00:58.46 | Stevie-O | ah |
| 00:58.52 | blackjack | the one with APU |
| 00:59.25 | Stevie-O | technically, I can expect anything I want from testing; however, I may find myself disappointed :) |
| 00:59.33 | blackjack | before thinking of upgrading. I just wanna know |
| 00:59.46 | somiaj | Stevie-O: Jessie is still in flux, but depending on your experience can be useable. Usually I wouldn't suggest it but I don't know a way to get haswell support in wheezy |
| 01:00.04 | bezaban | blackjack: if you are considering upgrading the stable branch I would say yes anyway |
| 01:00.08 | somiaj | Stevie-O: Nov. 5th the freeze is scheduled and jessie should start to settle down about then as they prepare for its release |
| 01:00.23 | Stevie-O | somiaj: ah, you just answered my next question, hah |
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| 01:01.03 | somiaj | blackjack: I haven't messed with those, they use the radeon driver I think but I think those can be supported by just a new backported kernel and firmware, you don't need to backport the xorg drivers. Not positive though. |
| 01:01.06 | Stevie-O | also I would like to say, I was pleased when I attempted to demonstrate Shellshock to someone using a Debian machine, and it didn't work :D |
| 01:01.23 | somiaj | blackjack: and the non-free fglrx drivers are backported so that is also a possibility for radeon chipsets |
| 01:01.46 | somiaj | Stevie-O: there are prebuilt backported kernel, but I think you need a backported intel driver for xorg too which I don't think is prebuilt |
| 01:02.30 | Stevie-O | *shrug* to Jessie it is, then |
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| 01:03.30 | somiaj | that was my solution but I'm use to running sid so dealing with bugs and the likes I'm use to |
| 01:03.54 | somiaj | though the freeze is approaching and right now I don't notice any issues with the limited software I use and intel graphics |
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| 01:11.52 | Stevie-O | wow this machine is fast, I'm watching a dvd with vlc over vnc |
| 01:12.21 | Stevie-O | and it's not lagging |
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| 01:20.12 | thoonai | heyho, some tip which actual compact digital camera I can use as webcam? |
| 01:20.23 | Artemis3v | so you streaming |
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| 01:25.20 | Stevie-O | something just occurred to me: You can upgrade Wheezy to Jessie while the machine is still running. This is amazing. |
| 01:25.43 | bezaban | still r| |
| 01:25.54 | dvs | ??? |
| 01:25.59 | bezaban | you can, but still running the kernel you had originally |
| 01:26.20 | dvs | you'll need to reboot to use the new kernel |
| 01:26.24 | Stevie-O | well, yes |
| 01:26.26 | Stevie-O | but consider this |
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| 01:26.54 | Stevie-O | when I upgraded a laptop from Windows Vista to Windows 7, it took about 5 hours and I couldn't use the machine at all during that time |
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| 01:28.07 | Stevie-O | right now I'm watching a DVD while the upgrade is happening in the background |
| 01:28.12 | bezaban | not sure how I should consider that. *smirk* |
| 01:28.14 | Stevie-O | when it's done I'll do a quick reboot and that's it |
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| 01:28.28 | bezaban | it's great |
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| 01:28.49 | Stevie-O | I think my point is that, from the perspective of system updates, Debian > Windows |
| 01:31.15 | bezaban | possibly, if update speed can be said to measure something (what?) |
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| 01:33.59 | Stevie-O | bezaban: it's not so much update speed, it's the fact that updates do not require what is essentially a system-wide exclusive lock |
| 01:34.25 | Stevie-O | and in the vast majority of cases, updates do not require a reboot |
| 01:34.35 | ttys1 | during Debian installation I skipped the laptop packages option. After I finish installation how can I go back to install the laptop packages |
| 01:35.02 | dvs | ttys1: tasksel |
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| 01:37.14 | ttys1 | dvs: thank you |
| 01:37.18 | dvs | np |
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| 01:55.38 | cloudsurfer | hello, i have a question that is not directly related to debian but i'd really really appreciate if anyone could help out. |
| 01:56.14 | pclover | what is it? |
| 01:56.18 | cloudsurfer | i live in an apartment building and we get 500gb a month. problem is, someone is downloading all of it within the first week of the month and then the internet becomes really, really, painfully slow. is there a way to limit download speed across all computers? |
| 01:57.07 | pclover | are you the building manager or something? |
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| 01:57.39 | pclover | or is this just your apartment |
| 01:58.03 | pclover | sorry to many convos going on lol |
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| 01:58.17 | cloudsurfer | i'm just in my apartment |
| 01:58.25 | cloudsurfer | the router is outside in the room next to me. |
| 01:58.40 | cloudsurfer | only 14 rooms and somebody is messing it up for everyone |
| 01:58.56 | Stevie-O | oooh |
| 01:59.02 | pclover | apartment with 14 rooms? |
| 01:59.08 | Stevie-O | jessie came up at something higher than 640x480 |
| 01:59.31 | pclover | cloudsurfer, i would probably do bw graphs |
| 01:59.34 | pclover | and static ip leases |
| 01:59.46 | cloudsurfer | apartment building with 14 rooms |
| 01:59.46 | pclover | and force the people living there to register the mac of thier devices with you |
| 02:00.10 | pclover | only way to get it down for sure |
| 02:00.16 | cloudsurfer | is there a way to do it without having to speak to them? just implement a 50kb/s limit for example? |
| 02:00.33 | heurist | cloudsurfer: note it will probably be a violation of your lease agreements (or other agreements) to try fiddle with the router without authorization. |
| 02:00.49 | cloudsurfer | thanks for pointing that out |
| 02:00.58 | pclover | in the contact doesn't it say you can change it? |
| 02:01.28 | cloudsurfer | i should give them a call and complain and tell them i can fix it if they let me but i'd rather avoid contacting anyone and just get it done |
| 02:01.42 | cloudsurfer | i didn't read the whole contract, i didn't read any of it actually |
| 02:01.48 | pclover | the only way i know would be to have people register their mac address with you |
| 02:01.52 | pclover | and static lease ip addresses |
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| 02:02.36 | pclover | and montior bandwidth |
| 02:02.38 | cloudsurfer | pclover is there a guide on the internet i can look for to find that? |
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| 02:02.43 | pclover | so the mac addresses that abuses it you know who it is |
| 02:02.48 | cloudsurfer | i dont know what the keyword in search would be |
| 02:03.09 | pclover | well you could do static dhcp leases |
| 02:03.28 | pclover | and some sort of mrtg graph maybe |
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| 02:04.10 | heurist | cloudsurfer: doing anything without speaking to people (in authority) first would definitely be wrong. you *must* take it up with your ISP or tenant's society or something. even making graphs could be illegal. |
| 02:04.12 | pclover | who is your isp and what country? |
| 02:04.40 | pclover | heurist, is probably right |
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| 02:04.50 | cloudsurfer | heurist, you're right i will have to contact the landlord first but i want to be able to tell him i have a solution if he allows me to implement it |
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| 02:05.46 | cloudsurfer | pclover, australia, but i think the ISP is irrelevant |
| 02:06.02 | heurist | cloudsurfer: good. there are many solutions, most are a bit more complex than can be taught over IRC in a short time. maybe you need to hire someone who knows this stuff. |
| 02:06.21 | pclover | would be a good idea |
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| 02:06.33 | pclover | but in reality each tenant should get their own vlan |
| 02:06.40 | pclover | for safety of the others for exmaple |
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| 02:07.01 | pclover | that could also work |
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| 02:07.35 | pclover | cloudsurfer, you could also join ##networking which is more on topic for this |
| 02:07.59 | cloudsurfer | thank you v much |
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| 02:13.03 | Bonzo | Test |
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| 02:15.18 | DanDare | Hi. I have installed dnsmasq in the past. I have nothing at /etc/dnsmasq.q and /etc/default/dnsmasq is http://pastebin.com/ATsVF4ha . I think I just have the default configuration by installing it (i didnt changed the default configuration). Is possible that dnsmask is providing acting as a open resolver on the external interface? |
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| 02:16.42 | DanDare | I received a warning that my server was used in a DNS amplification attack but I checked status within some testing tools that says my server is not vulnerable |
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| 02:17.42 | DanDare | How to make sure dnsmasq is properly configured is regard this? I can just block any incoming UDP packet on port 53 but I want try to spot what the problem is |
| 02:18.03 | heurist | DanDare: "possible" yes. check your configs. make it not listen on external interfaces. use a firewall at least. |
| 02:18.38 | DanDare | heurist, ok, thanks. |
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| 02:51.22 | ectospasm | I can't seem to find anyone who's posted how to do this: I want to use urlview with a URL shortener (my target is is.gd since that's what I use with IRC), but I don't see how to do it |
| 02:51.35 | ectospasm | (using Wheezy) |
| 02:53.31 | heurist | ectospasm: maybe don't use URL shorteners on IRC? I for one will not click on URLs if I do not know where they lead. no one should if they care about security. |
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| 02:54.04 | heurist | ectospasm: but what have you tried, what did not work? |
| 02:54.18 | ectospasm | heurist: that wasn't even close to my question. Normally in IRC the URL that's being shortened is posted right above it. |
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| 02:55.40 | ectospasm | heurist: I've looked at url_handler.sh which ships with urlview |
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| 02:56.29 | ectospasm | ...but I'm probably going to have to rewrite it to run it through is.gd. |
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| 02:57.56 | gnunchucks | Just did an update on testing and it said that pepperflash was checked as an obsolete package, is there something I should be using instead? |
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| 03:01.51 | heurist | gnunchucks: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=pepperflashplugin-nonfree&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all shows there is no pepperflashplugin-nonfree in jessie at this time. jessie often has stuff removed. it is in sid, so there is a chance it may come back soon. it is called "testing" for a reason. questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 03:05.51 | gnunchucks | heurist: Much appreciated, I'll take note of that for next time. |
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| 03:55.25 | markOPS | hi guys, i'm running windows 8 and i would like some help setting up a hackintosh system |
| 03:56.00 | jordanm | markOPS: wrong channel |
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| 03:58.12 | darthanubis | lol |
| 03:59.05 | OldParr | is there something in debian to transfer files with an HP50g calculator ? |
| 03:59.34 | OldParr | hptalx is not on the repositories |
| 04:01.41 | somiaj | OldParr: I didn't see anything in my search. Could you build hptalx and just run it form $HOME |
| 04:02.13 | somiaj | or put it in /usr/local or /opt, but might be a small enough program that you can run it in $HOME just fine (though unsure if you need any special kernel modules) |
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| 04:04.36 | OldParr | i do no understand why hptalx is here http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/h/hptalx/ but you can not find it with aptitude |
| 04:04.41 | OldParr | somiaj: the systems detects the calculator but hptalx is missing |
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| 04:05.47 | somiaj | OldParr: it seems it was removed from debian many releases ago, but still available on the archive. No guarintee archive packages will work though. |
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| 04:06.12 | somiaj | but archive.debian.org has packages back to the birth of debian, though I think very old releases only have source code |
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| 04:24.56 | ectospasm | heurist: I modified this and got it to work: http://blog.vpetkov.net/2011/01/06/my-solution-to-dealing-with-mutt-and-long-urls/ |
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| 04:35.34 | OldParr | can you install local .deb files with synaptic ? |
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| 04:41.22 | rockhamroll | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhYPAQexj0I |
| 04:41.53 | afx237 | I've got a HP Mini 5102 Netbook. Previously I installed Windows 8.1 first on half the HDD, then installed Crunchbang in the remaining free space on the same HDD. That was all fine installing & dual booting. Now I'm trying to do the same thing again with the same Win8.1 CD and a plain Debian install, but the Debian installer always sees the HDD as completely empty space, it doesn't see the Win8 installation at all. Any ideas? Was wondering if it was |
| 04:41.53 | afx237 | something to do with UEFI or secureboot, but I haven't changed anything, so wondering why crunchbang was fine with it? |
| 04:42.27 | rockhamroll | How you boot of irrelevant |
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| 04:43.31 | afx237 | any idea what i need to do to make the debian installer see my windows partitions? |
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| 04:44.43 | rockhamroll | I havnt used windows Os since 1993 so i wouldnt know. Seems odd to me. |
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| 04:45.37 | sdfsd | i have a ipv6 only vps, how to setup ip4ip6? |
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| 04:45.56 | pclover | ipv6 only vps wtf? |
| 04:45.59 | pclover | who is this provider |
| 04:46.01 | rockhamroll | vps is short for ? |
| 04:46.08 | sdfsd | virtual private server |
| 04:46.08 | pclover | virtual private server / vm |
| 04:46.21 | pclover | sdfsd, who is your provider |
| 04:46.39 | sdfsd | some dirt-cheap provider |
| 04:46.53 | pclover | go buy a better vps |
| 04:46.55 | pclover | that has v4 |
| 04:46.59 | pclover | and v6 |
| 04:47.13 | rockhamroll | pclover: Ah, i made one of those things. ... OpenVPN ... tried that one ? |
| 04:47.26 | pclover | huh |
| 04:47.30 | pclover | VPN and VPS are not related |
| 04:47.33 | sdfsd | this one is free |
| 04:48.09 | afx237 | sdfsd: if it didn't come set up with ip4, then they probably haven't given you an ip4 address, so there wouldn't be much point enabaling it would there? |
| 04:48.26 | sdfsd | didnt have a local isp with ipv6 so i already successfully set up a ip4>ipv6 tunnel with hurricane networks |
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| 04:48.38 | sdfsd | now I'm logged into the vps that runs debian |
| 04:48.43 | rockhamroll | pclover: Whats the goal with this vps that cant be done with a bridged VPN. I get full access to the office computers, printers and whatnot |
| 04:48.52 | sdfsd | and I'm basically trying to setup a ipv6 >ip4 tunner |
| 04:48.55 | sdfsd | tunnel |
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| 04:49.03 | rockhamroll | netcat |
| 04:49.03 | pclover | you need v4 space for that to work somewere |
| 04:49.20 | rockhamroll | No, you can bridge the networks |
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| 04:49.57 | sdfsd | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/x1373.html |
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| 04:50.12 | sdfsd | I'm basically trying to do that |
| 04:50.16 | rockhamroll | Its not extremely easy to brigde the networks but itll always work just fine if you put your mind into it. |
| 04:50.22 | pclover | sdfsd, go buy a proper vps |
| 04:50.29 | sdfsd | # /sbin/ip -6 route add <prefixtoroute1> dev ip6tnl1 metric 1 |
| 04:50.50 | pclover | vultr.com 5/month |
| 04:50.54 | sdfsd | i have no clue of # <prefixtoroute1> contents |
| 04:51.09 | afx237 | yeah, they're super cheap these days: http://serverbear.com/compare?Sort=Monthly+Cost&Order=asc&Server+Type=VPS&Monthly+Cost=-&HDD=-&RAM=-&Virtualization= |
| 04:51.18 | pclover | how do you plan to make this work with no ipv4 address? |
| 04:51.36 | sdfsd | i have an other regular server with 100mbit uplink |
| 04:51.37 | afx237 | i got a dedicated server with 2gb ram and 500 sshd this week for 6eur/month |
| 04:51.50 | pclover | what cpu? |
| 04:51.58 | afx237 | via |
| 04:52.10 | afx237 | so shit cpu, but i'm using it for storage mainly |
| 04:52.13 | pclover | not seen a via cpu in awhile |
| 04:52.19 | rockhamroll | pclover: Go buy something else then a Windows sence of doing things... Windows cost 45,000 crowners.... |
| 04:52.20 | afx237 | http://www.online.net/en/dedicated-server/dedibox-scg2 |
| 04:52.48 | pclover | lol cheap as shit |
| 04:52.57 | rockhamroll | pclover: Small business server (Commie bastards).. |
| 04:53.10 | pclover | lol what are you saying? |
| 04:53.20 | sdfsd | i have a ipv4 address (dedi unmetered 100mbit uplink) + a free ipv6 only vps. now my question is how to tunnel the ipv6 traffic to the ipv4 server with this http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/x1373.html |
| 04:53.36 | pclover | so what do you need the free vps for? |
| 04:53.43 | rockhamroll | Youve lost control of the car pcmonk |
| 04:53.54 | rockhamroll | See it ? |
| 04:54.27 | pclover | also tunneling will add latency |
| 04:54.47 | rockhamroll | tunnelin, Schmunneling :) |
| 04:54.49 | pclover | Why not setup a vps on the dedciated server than? |
| 04:55.04 | sdfsd | don't give a fuck about latency honey |
| 04:55.09 | rockhamroll | vps... means nothing to me. Now VPN does |
| 04:55.41 | sdfsd | because the dedi is expensive as fuck & i have unlimited access to free ipv6 vps's |
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| 04:56.12 | rockhamroll | Hehe, some people are paying for service |
| 04:56.24 | pclover | i don't understand your logic. If you have it why not use the dedicated server? |
| 04:56.27 | rockhamroll | Give em some oil |
| 04:56.30 | rockhamroll | :) |
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| 04:57.18 | sdfsd | app is cpu/ram/disk limited not network. |
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| 04:58.32 | rockhamroll | They have not leart to use. Now im getting slighly grr at you kiddies ? |
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| 04:58.46 | danlamanna | so how often is a release actually supported? specifically so the apt repos are maintained. i'm sure theres a doc describing it somewhere, can't find. |
| 04:59.04 | afx237 | put down the crack pipe rockhamroll |
| 04:59.05 | rockhamroll | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Msg-Vlgns8c |
| 04:59.17 | rockhamroll | afx237, |
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| 04:59.21 | rockhamroll | chill |
| 04:59.27 | jordanm | danlamanna: it used to be for 1yr after the release of the next version, but recently they have started long term support |
| 04:59.40 | afx237 | i'm quite relaxed =) |
| 04:59.51 | rockhamroll | afx237: Like the tunes ? |
| 04:59.53 | jordanm | danlamanna: long term support is 5 years |
| 04:59.55 | danlamanna | jordanm: is that the 5 year lts i've heard about? |
| 05:00.00 | jordanm | danlamanna: yes |
| 05:00.09 | danlamanna | jordanm: ah yes, so did that start with wheezy? |
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| 05:00.25 | rockhamroll | afx237: Alrighty then |
| 05:00.28 | ectospasm | started with squeeze |
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| 05:00.59 | ectospasm | dpkg, tell danlamanna -about squeeze-lts |
| 05:01.01 | danlamanna | cool, thanks! |
| 05:01.21 | sdfsd | what is the best channel for networking questions? |
| 05:01.27 | rockhamroll | She is quite good, i must say :) |
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| 05:01.46 | ectospasm | sdfsd: #networking |
| 05:02.33 | rockhamroll | ectospasm :? echo perhaps; |
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| 05:04.51 | rockhamroll | if( i % 24 ) do Sassy; Fruitloops.. done :) |
| 05:06.48 | rockhamroll | Means if 24 divided by long division equals 1 ... Generally yould check the modulus against == 0 with a start from 0 in a while loop. |
| 05:07.34 | rockhamroll | I like this girls though. She loves life and beyound. |
| 05:07.51 | rockhamroll | Beyond. |
| 05:07.57 | ectospasm | % is usually modulus, which result is the remainder of the quotient |
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| 05:10.13 | rockhamroll | ectospasm: Yes, youre semi cool. |
| 05:10.38 | rockhamroll | ectospasm: IE: not very odd. |
| 05:11.19 | somiaj | danlamanna: usually one year after the new release, so one year after jessie stabalizes, wheezy will be oldstable and supported fbout a year |
| 05:11.39 | rockhamroll | ectospasm: Hope youre doing well tonight... |
| 05:12.06 | ectospasm | I'm about to crash. The girlfriend fell asleep on me. |
| 05:12.17 | rockhamroll | We destroy worlds if we dont like what we see. |
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| 05:12.50 | rockhamroll | ectospasm: There you go... youre doing fine my friend. |
| 05:13.22 | rockhamroll | I like it very much when my friends feel good. |
| 05:13.42 | somiaj | rockhamroll: can you please stick on topic, do you have an actual debian question? |
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| 05:15.28 | rockhamroll | Ok, i dont have a question but i helped make Debian a long time ago but i still love it. Do you need any help somali ? |
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| 05:21.20 | towski | anyone got netflix working on linux |
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| 05:21.25 | towski | my pipelight doesn't work anymore |
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| 05:22.31 | slackner | towski: you should probably describe what the issue with pipelight, otherwise its difficult to help ;) |
| 05:22.53 | towski | well I think it's because the chrome plugin api changed or something? |
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| 05:23.21 | slackner | towski: well, when you are using chrome - yes, its right that chrome >= 35 doesn't support pipelight anymore |
| 05:23.33 | towski | oh yeah let me try the weasel |
| 05:23.56 | slackner | towski: that should work, the alternative solution is to install one of the google chrome betas with HTML5 DRM support |
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| 05:24.46 | towski | oh yeah I wanted to do that |
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| 05:25.07 | towski | but i already have chromium and chrome |
| 05:25.13 | towski | maybe I'll just upgrade my chrome to beta |
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| 05:34.35 | somiaj | towski: I thought the only solutions to running netflix on linux (outside of chromebook) was to have silverlight and firefox running inside a patched version of wine. |
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| 05:35.44 | towski | no it's not that bad |
| 05:35.51 | towski | you just debian install pipelight |
| 05:35.59 | towski | and it seems to work fine on ice weasal |
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| 05:36.39 | slackner | towski: somiaj: pipelight is also based on a patched version of wine, butdoes this way more transparently than having a whole browser in wine ;) |
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| 05:38.45 | towski | yeah, I am in awe of a wine silverlight plugin |
| 05:38.45 | somiaj | ahh yea I was thinking of moonlight which was silverlight - drm which didn't work with netflix |
| 05:38.53 | towski | surprised that it just works |
| 05:38.55 | somiaj | I do now vagually recall hearing about pipelight now. |
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| 05:39.25 | somiaj | I am unsure how much you have to patch the newest version of wine, but last I tried it didn't work out of the box and I needed a patched version |
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| 05:40.15 | slackner | somiaj: there wasn't much progress, at least the important patches are still not upstreamed yet |
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| 05:50.15 | amiconn | hi |
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| 05:51.45 | amiconn | If there is a dependency problem in sid, persisting for a few weeks now (update for package "a" wants to uninstall package "b", which I deem important), which of the two packages do I report it against? |
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| 06:05.46 | somiaj | amiconn: is it a problem with the current versions of the packages in sid or something due to older versions and the upgrade process. You may just have to track down the actual depednecy issue and manually upgrade things. |
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| 06:06.16 | amiconn | It is a problem with the current versions |
| 06:06.37 | slackner | amiconn: which packages do you mean ? |
| 06:06.47 | amiconn | Namely libawl-php has been upgraded from 0.53 to 0.55, but applying this upgrade would uninstall davical |
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| 06:08.21 | somiaj | amiconn: trying to figure out what the actual dependency issue is, according to p.d.o there are no depends for libawl-php, checking davical |
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| 06:08.51 | somiaj | oh I see, yea it would be a lib davical bug, as it is dependent on a version not in sid. |
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| 06:11.15 | somiaj | amiconn: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=763748 |
| 06:11.56 | amiconn | oh |
| 06:12.18 | amiconn | Fairly new report; didn't see this when I checked last |
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| 06:50.04 | Gregor3000 | need some help with easiest way to move the var. i have the OS installed on USB stick and then hard disks in software raid 1. is theer any way i could move var or at elast /var/log to hard disks? there are a lot of processes running that are doing the logging.. and due to a bug in wheezy it is doing plenty of unnecessary error writing that would destroy USB quite fast |
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| 06:51.15 | Gregor3000 | note there is no data yet on RAID disks |
| 06:53.52 | shingouz | Gregor3000: make a new partition and mount /var/log there or make a new directory for /var/log and symlink the original /var/log to the /new/log |
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| 06:57.49 | Gregor3000 | shingouz: but can i make a new partition in RAID 1 array? also the porblem with symlink (which is what we planned to do ) is that you need to stpp all the running processes (that are doing the writes in /var) first (as i udnertsand it) and there is a lot of those. |
| 06:58.24 | shingouz | Gregor3000: so you want to do the whole thing on the fly? |
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| 07:01.46 | shingouz | Gregor3000: i believe you have to restart every process after creating the symlink. maybe some logging systems can tolerate a new file on the fly, maybe not. i would try to eliminate the bug that causes the unecessary logging in the first place. point that one to /dev/null or something |
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| 07:04.47 | Gregor3000 | shingouz: it doesn't have to be on the fly as long as i do not have to reinstall the whole thing. the bug iz in wheezy makred non critical. fixed in sid, but won't be backported it seems. |
| 07:05.27 | Gregor3000 | so i just need to boot a live OS create a new partition on raid array and mount /var to it? |
| 07:05.31 | shingouz | just make the buggy thing log into devnull |
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| 07:06.11 | Gregor3000 | or better yet just rebuild the whole raid... |
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| 07:07.44 | shingouz | Gregor3000: mmm... no. if the array is not mounted at all, partition and make the necessary filesystem, create the fstab entry, mount the new and umount the old. or make the /new/directory, symlink, restart processes. you do not even have to reboot |
| 07:09.16 | shingouz | Gregor3000: find out where the configuration for the unnamed buggy thing is and change its log location to /dev/null or make it not to log anything. easier on you... |
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| 07:39.35 | Gregor3000 | this is the bug: http://forums.openmediavault.org/index.php/Thread/4884-mass-errors-in-syslog-clean-install-upgraded-to-6/ it appears the solution will only arrive in next version of Debian. Furthermore moving the var wont' do much as i realised then the disks would keep spinning even when no one is actualyl accesing the server. making it bad if the serveris supposed to be a low power server for backups |
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| 07:54.40 | Ziegler | I've decided to dual boot my laptop, problem being the Windows installation is one partition that takes up the entire hard disk. I've read that it can be shrunk, at which point a Windows repair disk must be used to restore the booting process. Is this true, or is there an easier way? |
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| 08:00.08 | koeppea | Ziegler, Windows8 |
| 08:00.31 | koeppea | It supports to shrink the system volume inside Windows. |
| 08:01.02 | Ziegler | I'm running 7 though |
| 08:01.10 | koeppea | Better choice |
| 08:01.50 | koeppea | Unfortunately you need some third party tools to do that. |
| 08:02.05 | koeppea | Partition Magic or something like that |
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| 08:02.44 | koeppea | Or you reinstall everything from scratch properly partitioning the disk beforehand. |
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| 08:05.36 | Ziegler | koeppea, what 3rd party tools? |
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| 08:08.37 | amiconn | I would expect windows 8 to do the same as windows 7, i.e. both expand and shrink any volume inside windows, at runtime, including the system volume |
| 08:09.21 | koeppea | Can't recall the name I used last time. Been years ago, I think it was Easeus Partition Manager |
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| 08:09.59 | koeppea | http://tinyurl.com/k9g9xgk |
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| 08:10.10 | Ziegler | Well I'll be |
| 08:10.15 | Ziegler | WIndows 7 does come with a partitioning tool |
| 08:11.21 | amiconn | Another option is to boot a gparted live cd and do it there |
| 08:11.23 | koeppea | amiconn, Since Windows8 it uses GPT |
| 08:11.52 | koeppea | Windows7 AFAIR not |
| 08:12.58 | amiconn | Win7 can use GPT too, in fact it always does when you install in UEFI mode |
| 08:13.01 | amiconn | (x64 only) |
| 08:13.56 | koeppea | amiconn, Ah OK. I knew that GPT is linked to UEFI but my computer doesn't support UEFI. Also some years old. |
| 08:13.58 | amiconn | But MBR/GPT shouldn't have any influence on being able to expand and shrink volumes. Resizing the filesystem is the hard part, not the partition definitions |
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| 08:15.04 | koeppea | OK. I thought as long as Windows in installed using partitions and not volumes, that partitions can not easily being shrinked in case it's the partition Windows runs on |
| 08:15.12 | koeppea | However drifting more and more offtopic |
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| 09:03.18 | mcgreg | hi |
| 09:04.03 | mcgreg | how can I set up a different language for a user than the root/standard language? |
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| 09:06.42 | chrisc | mcgreg: there is a graphical optiin for this, if you want to do it for the terminal you can set env vars like LANG |
| 09:07.07 | chrisc | s/optiin/option/ |
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| 09:51.55 | bitgeek | hi I am having problems setting my terminal to 256 colors |
| 09:52.33 | heurist | !errors |
| 09:52.36 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>. |
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| 09:53.37 | bitgeek | I tried following instructions here http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/256_Color_Terminals |
| 09:53.56 | bitgeek | heurist: no errors that I can see |
| 09:54.35 | babilen | bitgeek: Which terminal do you use and what have you done exactly? |
| 09:54.37 | bitgeek | I do tput colors it report 8, also echo $TERM is xterm |
| 09:54.48 | heurist | bitgeek: what terminal emulator are you using? what have you done to make it 256? |
| 09:55.19 | bitgeek | babilen: I am using xfce-terminal |
| 09:55.45 | bitgeek | on the link I gave it has a script 256term.sh |
| 09:56.21 | bitgeek | after running TERM is still not set, doing set-x I can see it runs the code to assign to TERM |
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| 09:57.34 | babilen | Just set the TERM variably to whatever is appropriate (e.g. "xterm-256color") you don't need that script nor would I recommend to follow articles written for fedora |
| 09:58.09 | bitgeek | grep TERM .* |
| 09:58.19 | bitgeek | oops wrong window |
| 09:58.19 | babilen | That being said: That script should have set TERM to xterm-256color, but are you sure that it is sourced? |
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| 09:58.51 | bitgeek | I tried manually running it still not set |
| 09:59.30 | bitgeek | you mean just set it straigh in .bashrc ? |
| 10:01.38 | babilen | for example |
| 10:02.06 | babilen | You can wrap a bit of logic aroung it .. is $COLORTERM set for you? |
| 10:02.33 | babilen | But then, test it straight (or just manually export it) and take it from there |
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| 10:02.48 | babilen | bbl |
| 10:03.00 | bitgeek | set to xfce4-terminal |
| 10:03.27 | Evropi | Anyone know why my wifi device is not turning on during install? |
| 10:03.42 | Evropi | I need it for the install process |
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| 10:04.03 | bitgeek | babilen: I jus texport straight in .bashrc seems to work... is it ok like that? Thanks |
| 10:04.15 | Evropi | And I know the driver is in the kernel but it's not turning on for whatever reason |
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| 10:04.42 | babilen | bitgeek: Test if COLORTERM is set to xfce4-terminal and set it then. I wouldn't necessarily set it unconditionally |
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| 10:05.29 | bitgeek | babilen: great thanks for your help, I think I over thought this problem |
| 10:05.39 | heurist | bitgeek: does xfce-terminal support 256 colors? |
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| 10:09.39 | bitgeek | heurist: seems to, I downloaded a perl script that print all 256 colors and I can see them all |
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| 10:14.29 | Evropi | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch03s03.html.en |
| 10:14.38 | Evropi | see this is really useless because debian install doesn't even come with lsusb! |
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| 10:18.04 | Evropi | aaand it booted into grub rescue |
| 10:18.05 | Evropi | what a mess |
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| 10:21.59 | Evropi | I have no normal.mod ??? |
| 10:22.11 | Evropi | debian failed so hard I think it bricked the system |
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| 10:29.06 | VladolfPutler | I updated my sid system, and now my Sleep and Restart button in Gnome have gone, I only have Power Off left, why is this? |
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| 10:30.41 | iveevue | Why are you using sid? |
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| 10:31.16 | iveevue | There can be any number of reasons for sid breaking. |
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| 10:31.45 | VladolfPutler | historical reasons: when I first moved to debian years ago there was a package I needed, and that was only in sid, so I just installed that |
| 10:32.04 | heurist | wonders why sid is called "unstable" |
| 10:32.05 | iveevue | You would probably be better off with a different distro |
| 10:32.15 | pclover | as it's unstable |
| 10:32.16 | babilen | VladolfPutler: First and foremost: Ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (cf. /topic) and also provide a list of everything you upgraded (cf. /var/log/apt/history.log) on http://paste.debian.net |
| 10:33.04 | pclover | sounds like a mess |
| 10:33.08 | Evropi | I'm downloading the CD image now |
| 10:33.09 | VladolfPutler | oh, this is invite only |
| 10:33.20 | Evropi | any ideas on why my wifi device is not turning on would be appreciated |
| 10:33.33 | babilen | Sounds as if you should switch to systemd as init though, but then you have given us no information whatsoever to work with. And yes, you might want to consider tracking stable (or testing?) and you also want to heed the advice in <sid faq> if you are planning to continue running sid -- /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 10:33.34 | iveevue | babilen, What does "cf" mean? |
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| 10:33.50 | babilen | iveevue: "confer" -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cf. |
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| 10:34.25 | iveevue | oic |
| 10:34.41 | VladolfPutler | yes, I might consider testing, as that also upgrades through continuously? |
| 10:34.49 | babilen | (commonly used in English academic writing. Maybe I shouldn't use it in a channel with a lot of non-native speakers) |
| 10:35.11 | VladolfPutler | I mean, the stable at one point stops getting updates after it's out of support "time", right? |
| 10:35.32 | babilen | VladolfPutler: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html read that |
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| 10:37.12 | AimHere | babilen, if there are any native Latin speakers in this channel, I think we've got much more interesting things to worry about! |
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| 10:42.07 | babilen | As I said: It is commonly used in English writing and akin to, say, "e.g.", "etc.", "viz.", ... </offtopic> |
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| 10:45.27 | Brigo | native Latin speakers? :D |
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| 10:47.15 | CieNTi | hi there |
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| 10:48.25 | CieNTi | I'm using jessie and cannot boot from 3.16-2-amd64, freeze ar "Loading, please wait...". Instead I keep booting from 3.14-2-amd64 |
| 10:48.30 | CieNTi | how can I see what's wrong ? |
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| 10:49.06 | CieNTi | searching version and/or "loading,please wait..." throw me lot of useless results |
| 10:49.28 | heurist | CieNTi: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 10:50.14 | CieNTi | ouch |
| 10:50.17 | CieNTi | thanks |
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| 10:51.08 | Brigo | !testing |
| 10:51.08 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <jessie>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <wheezy->jessie> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 10:51.11 | Brigo | !jessie |
| 10:51.11 | dpkg | The release following Debian 7 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8.0. It is the current <testing> distribution. Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html . See also <jessie alpha>, <jessie freeze>. |
| 10:51.11 | Brigo | that is. |
| 10:51.12 | Brigo | dpkg ? |
| 10:52.07 | Brigo | too lake dpkg! :) |
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| 10:57.30 | CieNTi | just for curiosity. Why a different irc network for that ? |
| 10:57.54 | jelly-home | CieNTi: OFTC is Debian's official network |
| 10:58.13 | jelly-home | irc.debian.org points there as well. |
| 10:58.21 | CieNTi | ammm thanks :) |
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| 11:14.35 | Dixi__ | does anyone here know if the new HP B120i raid controller firmware is supported in the firmware edition of 7.6 ? |
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| 11:17.31 | jelly-home | Dixi__: it's probably easiest to use that thing as a normal SATA AHCI controller and set up soft raid |
| 11:17.45 | phix | hi |
| 11:17.55 | Dixi__ | yea.. i just wish they would get their fingers out of their buns! |
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| 11:18.41 | jelly-home | sas smartarray hw raid in proliants is nice, but that sata thing is meh |
| 11:18.53 | Dixi__ | excactly |
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| 11:19.08 | Dixi__ | its not like gen8 is that new anymore |
| 11:19.16 | Dixi__ | theyre already in gen9 with some lines! |
| 11:19.33 | Dixi__ | and who the heck cares about suse and redhat ;) |
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| 11:20.04 | jelly-home | I do -- if redhat says "use closed source driver from vendor" that's not a good sign |
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| 11:20.26 | jelly-home | https://access.redhat.com/articles/118133 |
| 11:20.29 | Dixi__ | meh.. I dont use RH.. |
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| 11:20.54 | jelly-home | that doesn't mean you're unable to read and think what it means |
| 11:21.10 | Dixi__ | I know. |
| 11:21.38 | Dixi__ | Guess we're kinda stuck with the P controllers for now then. |
| 11:22.16 | jelly-home | or switch to softraid and all the consequences |
| 11:22.27 | Dixi__ | Not gonna happen! |
| 11:23.12 | phix | hai fellow Debian users |
| 11:23.24 | phix | What are your thoughts on Ubuntu? |
| 11:23.52 | phix | Is it just sid or actually stable? |
| 11:24.13 | jelly-home | it is a different distro with different goals. |
| 11:24.16 | Dixi__ | My thoughts about Ubuntu is that it is a variant of Debien gnu/linux.. |
| 11:24.23 | Dixi__ | with a different agenda |
| 11:24.29 | Dixi__ | debian* |
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| 11:26.05 | phix | Dixi__: ok :) |
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| 11:26.29 | phix | I am just curious :) thnx |
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| 11:35.14 | markc | *some someone |
| 11:35.36 | stuthos | Hi! I'm somehow not able to create a bootable USB stick. I've tried both the netinstall and the live CD iso-file, both a USB-stick and a memory card, but whenever I boot from it, I get the error "Missing operating system". How can this be? |
| 11:36.24 | heurist | stuthos: what commands are you using? |
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| 11:36.28 | petn-randall | Hi stuthos, how did you create the usb stick? |
| 11:36.44 | phix | stuthos: Booting from wrong device>? you have something else on the MBR? you are using RFI? |
| 11:36.46 | iveevue | stuthos, dd the image to the stick |
| 11:36.47 | phix | EFI* |
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| 11:37.09 | stuthos | heurist: phix: iveevue: dd if=... as the instructions say. |
| 11:37.25 | iveevue | stuthos, right. Don't make partitions on the stick |
| 11:37.41 | Blokker | anyone have experience with PXE booting the netinstall on an EFI system? |
| 11:38.03 | heurist | stuthos: maybe show use the exact command you are using, in case there is something wrong. |
| 11:38.13 | valdyn | stuthos: only when you give the whole command we can tell you if theres a mistake |
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| 11:38.32 | iveevue | guesses he's writing to a partition |
| 11:38.51 | heurist | gave up guessing years ago |
| 11:38.53 | stuthos | heurist, valdyn : ok :) : dd if=debian... of=/dev/sdb1 bs=4M; sync |
| 11:39.02 | iveevue | Right |
| 11:39.06 | iveevue | you're writing to a partition |
| 11:39.08 | iveevue | write to sdb |
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| 11:39.58 | stuthos | iveevue: Thanks! So the exact same command, but with of=/dev/sdb ? |
| 11:40.01 | iveevue | right |
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| 11:43.52 | stuthos | iveevue: Thanks! |
| 11:44.09 | phix | Now what? |
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| 11:50.45 | raSter^ | is debian stable still on linux 3.2? |
| 11:50.56 | raSter^ | or is it now using a newer kernel? |
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| 11:51.12 | iveevue | 3.2 iirc |
| 11:52.10 | acemi | raSter^: check backports if you need a newer kernel for wheezy |
| 11:54.24 | SynrG | !bpo kernel |
| 11:54.24 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
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| 11:55.50 | Brigo | raSter^, you can use a new kernel from backports. |
| 11:56.25 | raSter^ | ok thanks |
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| 11:59.57 | raSter^ | Brigo: will updating a kernel still be on the term called 'debian stable' or not longer? |
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| 12:00.29 | Brigo | backports are stable, yes. |
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| 12:03.06 | SynrG | raSter^: read the explanation at backports.debian.org of what they are. |
| 12:03.08 | jelly-home | raSter^: the userspace need not change and the rest of your system is still Debian 7 |
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| 12:56.15 | mashaa | hi |
| 12:56.20 | mashaa | im back |
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| 12:57.39 | zxd_ | hi |
| 12:57.40 | zxd_ | how to use socat as a socks-proxy-server, I want to setup up a server that will forward ssh connections to arbritary hosts |
| 12:58.31 | heurist | zxd_: have you looked at ssh -D see man ssh |
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| 12:59.41 | phix | So once again you are faced with a calsic Irishman's delimer, do I eat the potatoe now or ferment it so I can drink it later |
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| 13:01.44 | iveevue | ... wat. |
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| 13:01.56 | phix | classic* |
| 13:02.09 | zxd_ | heurist: -D requires sshd running on the tunnel endpoint no ? |
| 13:02.36 | phix | iveevue: I am watching Archer :) |
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| 13:02.46 | heurist | zxd_: yes, it is to use ssh *as* a socks proxy. maybe the opposite of what you are doing. |
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| 13:09.06 | zxd_ | I see socat has only options to initiating client connections to socket servers |
| 13:09.09 | zxd_ | not acting as one |
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| 13:12.32 | jelly-home | zxd_: even the original nc had -l to set up a listener, you probably have to look harder |
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| 13:14.38 | zxd_ | jelly-home: yes it can listen for connections |
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| 13:15.31 | zxd_ | but basic tcp/udp can't forward to arbritary IPs predefined |
| 13:15.40 | zxd_ | it's predefined |
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| 13:16.45 | heurist | zxd_: not sure what you are trying is possible. ssh can not be sent to arb hosts, it needs the fingerprints to match and such. |
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| 13:17.34 | zxd_ | it's just a socks server |
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| 13:19.43 | heurist | zxd_: except the *client* tells the socks *proxy* what it wants to connect to. you do not predefine the connections in the socks proxy. surely? |
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| 13:56.16 | _2_summerellis | Hello |
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| 14:21.04 | ToTheInt1rnet | petn-randall: sorry i'm only answering now. you wrote yesterday: " answered you already. The source of your problem is that you don't even have a Debian installed, it's a mix of different distros." |
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| 14:22.25 | ToTheInt1rnet | petn-randall: as far as i know i have a normal debian testing installed. this was my apt output http://paste2.org/48BXGH5a What makes you think i don't have debian installed? |
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| 14:24.38 | heurist | !jessie |
| 14:24.38 | dpkg | The release following Debian 7 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8.0. It is the current <testing> distribution. Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html . See also <jessie alpha>, <jessie freeze>. |
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| 14:24.49 | SynrGy | ToTheInt1rnet: lines 64 and following. |
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| 14:25.15 | SynrGy | those are not for debian. they're targetted at ubuntu. by mixing them in, you break your system. it's no longer pure debian |
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| 14:26.05 | SynrGy | so you get exactly the kind of problem you're complaining about. your system is now unsupportable. |
| 14:26.41 | ToTheInt1rnet | SynrGy: what, because i installed spotify and openvpn? |
| 14:27.19 | SynrGy | because you installed packages from non-debian apt sources. |
| 14:27.24 | ToTheInt1rnet | SynrGy: oh i missed the ubuntu bit you wrote... i see |
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| 14:28.34 | ToTheInt1rnet | SynrGy: ok so now that my system is broken anyway, i don't mind breaking it further. is there way to tell apt to ignore the dependencies for hhvm? |
| 14:28.50 | ToTheInt1rnet | SynrGy: because i suspect it will work with the newer boost version as well |
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| 14:29.20 | SynrGy | the problem is that even if there were, it's not a topic for here. we support debian only, not frankendebian. |
| 14:29.24 | SynrGy | !frankendebian |
| 14:29.25 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 14:29.35 | ToTheInt1rnet | lmao |
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| 14:29.57 | ToTheInt1rnet | for some reason i find this hilarious |
| 14:30.16 | ToTheInt1rnet | anyway, thanks for the information. i'll just compile from source then |
| 14:30.22 | SynrGy | yep. that's the right way |
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| 14:44.10 | _FBi | Ìû |
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| 14:47.41 | jelly-home | _FBi: your client is dumping some crap in the channel |
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| 14:49.21 | _FBi | poop? |
| 14:49.46 | jelly-home | almost |
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| 14:50.06 | _FBi | screenshot? |
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| 14:51.23 | rbanffy | Hi follks. I need to get the installed package list and the dependencies each package requires. Is there a Python lib to do that? |
| 14:51.29 | _FBi | Ìû |
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| 14:52.01 | ompaul | _FBi: that happened again it is not plain test |
| 14:52.45 | _FBi | may I get a screenshot |
| 14:53.10 | ompaul | no, it was the line after rbanffy and me |
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| 14:53.34 | _FBi | I'm not seeing anything on my side |
| 14:54.27 | _FBi | was it something like this: <vanila> Ìû |
| 14:54.44 | ompaul | yes |
| 14:54.54 | ompaul | irc doesn't render it |
| 14:55.19 | _FBi | interesting -- might be a hack. someone else was doing it too |
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| 14:57.49 | viccuad | guys, how am I supposed to use the debian installer to install debian for an arm, on a ssd? I keep looking at the wiki, but I can't see how. can someone point me in the right direction? thanks in advance |
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| 15:00.44 | rbanffy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.14 | rbanffy | Form-feed for the ones born after 1980 |
| 15:01.41 | rbanffy | In the good old days, you could use it to clear the screen |
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| 15:02.05 | babilen | rbanffy: You might be able to hack something up with python-apt, but what do you need that for? |
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| 15:05.11 | SynrGy | viccuad: every arm device is a special snowflake :p |
| 15:05.34 | muranese | why debian installation process ask abdout my location? i don't want to specify one, i can just select UTC? |
| 15:05.56 | jelly-home | muranese: yes you can. |
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| 15:06.02 | viccuad | SynrGy: my arm board seems to be well supported by the mainline kernel: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Allwinner/A10-OLinuXino-LIME I (only lacking a video driver) |
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| 15:06.13 | ompaul | muranese: so that you get your locale and thus keyboard matched |
| 15:06.16 | SynrGy | viccuad: anything about it in the debian installation guide for arm? |
| 15:06.36 | muranese | jelly-home: how? |
| 15:06.43 | SynrGy | viccuad: what's your biggest problem? booting the installation media in the first place? |
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| 15:07.54 | viccuad | SynrGy: not that I can find :(. maybe the wiki is written for people that already have done this once. what I'm supposed to do? just run the debian installer and select the ssd to install it to? will it be an arm based system? can I run the installer in an x86 and install it to an ssd? |
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| 15:09.06 | jelly-home | muranese: I'll have to start a vm with the installer, but I'm pretty sure you can either click the default or skip the question |
| 15:09.11 | SynrGy | arm vendors typically want to lock down the system to prevent tinkering. and each vendor seems to do it differently. |
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| 15:09.21 | SynrGy | this is why i said every one is a special snowflake |
| 15:09.37 | SynrGy | you may have to find notes for your specific device. |
| 15:10.10 | SynrGy | personally, i have no experience with debian on these devices, so i can't really help with specifics. |
| 15:10.18 | jelly-home | viccuad: visit linux-sunxi.org for details on running linux on Allwinner SoC |
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| 15:11.08 | jelly-home | viccuad: there's also a #linux-sunxi channel but it's devel-oriented so make sure you exhaust the help options from their wiki before asking in the channel |
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| 15:11.44 | muranese | jelly-home: no, i can't, also i install in text mode, and even tried in expert mode |
| 15:12.02 | viccuad | jelly-home: thanks for the suggestion. I have already visited the page and read it all. Since they say it's possible to install debian by the installer for those SoCs, without crosscompiling the kernel nor u-boot, I was wondering how can I use the debian installer |
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| 15:12.56 | viccuad | SynrGy: true, though allwinner's seem to be more open than others, and they have the sunxi effort, which is being pushed to the mainline kernel |
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| 15:15.13 | jelly-home | viccuad: where does it say that? |
| 15:15.44 | jelly-home | viccuad: it's definitely _not_ possible with wheezy installer |
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| 15:16.42 | jelly-home | and to boot off sd card, it needs to be set up for the particular sunxi board |
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| 15:19.39 | viccuad | jelly-home: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Allwinner#Install_Using_Debian-Installer |
| 15:20.34 | viccuad | true, needs to be set up for the particular board, but that should be easier than compiling kernel, u-boot, etc (I have problems trying to apt-get the crosscompiler packages :( ) |
| 15:21.32 | viccuad | it's just it says that the debian-installer should work out of the box, but does not prodives clues as how to do it |
| 15:21.44 | jelly-home | viccuad: mainline kernel is still missing lots of things, you want to roll sunxi-3.10 of your own even if jessie installer manages to work |
| 15:23.23 | viccuad | jelly-home: I'm comfortable with the mainline kernel for my board (A20 olinuxino lime), for headless server use is enough |
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| 15:24.17 | viccuad | it's just that how is it done? get the installer on a usb stick, and boot from it? |
| 15:24.36 | jelly-home | you're weird. Or maybe mripard has managed to mainline enough stuff so that things work |
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| 15:24.50 | jelly-home | not usb, sd card. |
| 15:24.58 | rbanffy | babilen, I want to generate the minimum package list required to reinstall a machine |
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| 15:25.57 | rbanffy | babilen, by starting from the full list and removing everything that was installed because it was a requirement for something else. |
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| 15:26.43 | viccuad | but I want to install it to the sdcard. kind of a catch-22. (I'm not so weird, it's good news that the mainline kernel can be used :) ) |
| 15:27.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell rbanffy -about aptitude clone |
| 15:27.48 | babilen | rbanffy: Just remove from that list what you don't want/need. Dependencies will be automatically removed if nothing depends on them anymore. Or just start with a minimal system and don't install what you don't need. |
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| 15:30.19 | jelly-home | viccuad: I could try using jessie d-i on my cubieboard but not today, and I'm really suspicious about how putting d-i on usb would work without a separate bootable sd card |
| 15:30.19 | rbanffy | babilen, thanks! |
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| 15:30.19 | phaazon | hi |
| 15:30.19 | phaazon | is there a #cinnamon channel out there? I’ve been looking for hours |
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| 15:30.46 | Blokker | you could always start one ;) |
| 15:31.13 | phaazon | yeah well, I just have a very specific question about cinnamon’s notification system |
| 15:31.25 | viccuad | jelly-home: my board lists the bootable interfaces as flash,ssd, usb. so I think it would boot the installer by usb. but with no FOSS video drivers, it gets complicated |
| 15:31.25 | rbanffy | babilen, still, the list has stuff that depends on other stuff on the list |
| 15:32.05 | Blokker | given that cinnamon originates from linux mint you could try their channel |
| 15:32.14 | babilen | rbanffy: As I said: Remove whatever you don't want to install *explicitly* and all that remains will be a dependency |
| 15:32.15 | phaazon | oh right |
| 15:32.17 | phaazon | thank you |
| 15:32.24 | SynrGy | there's #debian-cinnamon @ irc.oftc.net, you know |
| 15:32.29 | jelly-home | viccuad: I guess your board has better uboot |
| 15:32.34 | SynrGy | phaazon: if you're talking about cinnamon *on debian* |
| 15:32.38 | phaazon | nope actually |
| 15:32.40 | phaazon | on archlinux |
| 15:32.46 | SynrGy | why ask about it here, then? |
| 15:32.46 | phaazon | but I couldn’t join #archlinux |
| 15:32.49 | phaazon | for obscure reasons |
| 15:32.50 | rbanffy | babilen, :-/ I'd like to automate that part |
| 15:32.55 | jelly-home | viccuad: d-i works over serial console |
| 15:33.02 | babilen | rbanffy: The "guess what rbanffy wants" part? |
| 15:33.03 | SynrGy | phaazon: please don't abuse this channel for non-debian help |
| 15:33.11 | SynrGy | phaazon: see ##linux instead |
| 15:33.17 | babilen | (and don't abuse them either) |
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| 15:33.29 | viccuad | jelly-home: thanks for the info. will need to grab an 3.3v uart then. thanks again! |
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| 15:33.57 | phaazon | SynrGy: woh… have I abused this channel asking whether I am in the right place? |
| 15:34.34 | rbanffy | babilen, I'd like to have the shortest possible list, with only items nothing else depends on |
| 15:35.07 | SynrGy | phaazon: you *knew* you were not in the right place. there was no "asking if" |
| 15:35.15 | SynrGy | honest mistakes, i could understand |
| 15:35.33 | phaazon | yeah, ok, thanks for the warm and friendly reaction |
| 15:35.34 | teraflops_ | phaazon: or you are banned or you need to register your nick in order to joinr archlinux I do not see obscure reasons beyond that facts |
| 15:35.41 | phaazon | ah! |
| 15:35.46 | phaazon | I haven’t registered then |
| 15:35.47 | phaazon | thank you |
| 15:35.50 | phaazon | I’ll try that |
| 15:35.54 | teraflops_ | phaazon: yw |
| 15:35.56 | phaazon | I’m not bothering you anymore, bb |
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| 15:36.18 | babilen | rbanffy: The list generated by that command will *only* include packages that were explicitly/manually installed. I have no idea how you could remove items from that list automatically without a Debian<->brain interface |
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| 15:38.36 | rbanffy | babilen, for instance, on my list, I can see a "xserver-xorg-video-s3" which I am quite sure I never installed manually (but could be there from the base install). |
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| 15:39.47 | jelly-home | rbanffy: it's a dependency of "xserver-xorg-video-all" which gets installed if you choose any X or desktop environment. |
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| 15:40.39 | phix | Why isn;'t webmin in repo for? Is there something beter ? |
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| 15:41.19 | marianna | Hi! |
| 15:41.22 | jelly-home | !webmin |
| 15:41.22 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 15:41.46 | marianna | I'm using this command but I have problems when the filename has a space |
| 15:41.49 | ikonia | phix: don't cross post the questions in #debian and #ubuntu please |
| 15:41.51 | ikonia | try to focus on the distro channel you're using/asking about |
| 15:41.55 | babilen | rbanffy: You must at one point either installed it manually or marked it as manually installed. (that might have happened unintentionally though as you weren't aware of what you were doing) |
| 15:41.55 | jelly-home | phix: I'm not sure there's anything comparable |
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| 15:42.19 | marianna | for i in `locate *.iso`; do echo $i; done; |
| 15:42.20 | marianna | any suggestions= |
| 15:42.21 | marianna | ? |
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| 15:42.34 | marianna | ...whel the problem is with |
| 15:42.42 | marianna | for i in `locate *.iso`; do ls $i; done; |
| 15:43.05 | abrotman | uhm .. 'locate' already shows the filename .. what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 15:43.09 | marianna | well* |
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| 15:43.21 | Aziroshin | Hello. :o |
| 15:43.27 | babilen | marianna: Is trying to get the enter key unstuck ... |
| 15:43.31 | jelly-home | marianna: locate -0 .iso | xargs -0 ls -l |
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| 15:43.56 | jelly-home | marianna: locate -0 .iso | xargs -0 ls -ld, even |
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| 15:44.40 | marianna | oh, thanks jelly-home ;-) |
| 15:44.49 | Aziroshin | This is a kvm related question: What ways are there to speed up the debian installer? I tried specifying "virtio" as the bus for the cdrom (which is of the file type), but then the installer can't find the cdrom. That is likely related to the installer not coming with virtio drivers right off the bat without loading them from the cdrom. |
| 15:45.06 | Aziroshin | It loads it later, but of course that doesn't help the cdrom that is now configured as IDE. |
| 15:45.19 | phix | ikonia: why? #debian and #ubuntu are different channels and according to the founders have different mentalities and goals |
| 15:45.25 | ikonia | totally |
| 15:45.34 | ikonia | so that's why you should ask about the product/distro you are using |
| 15:45.44 | phix | I use both |
| 15:45.46 | abrotman | phix: #debian does not support Ubuntu, and #ubuntu probably doesn't support Debian |
| 15:45.49 | ikonia | and as you know ubuntu comes from upstream source debin |
| 15:45.49 | abrotman | phix: which one is broken? |
| 15:45.52 | phix | abrotman: I know |
| 15:45.54 | phix | both are |
| 15:45.56 | abrotman | ... |
| 15:45.58 | ikonia | no they are not |
| 15:46.02 | ikonia | look stop wasting time with this crap |
| 15:46.03 | phix | as ubuntu uses debian's sid |
| 15:46.05 | ikonia | this is always the same with hyou |
| 15:46.06 | ikonia | you |
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| 15:46.17 | jelly-home | phix: but you're probably not running both ubuntu and debian right now |
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| 15:46.45 | abrotman | phix: if you wan tot know why Ubuntu doesn't have webmin, ask them. |
| 15:46.53 | Aziroshin | jelly-home: I am running both right now. In fact, two of them are running on the same machine. ;) |
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| 15:48.45 | jelly-home | Aziroshin: I don't see a point in that comment given phix' context, tho. |
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| 15:51.20 | berceanu | how can i install this package on my deb wheezy? https://packages.debian.org/sid/julia |
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| 15:52.12 | rbanffy | babilen, unlikely. This is not my main working machine - it's a netbook installed from a USB drive a couple weeks back |
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| 15:53.01 | babilen | rbanffy: You might have unwittingly installed it during the initial installation. Not that I think it would be that specific but that comming simply lists all manually installed packages and nothing else. |
| 15:53.07 | berceanu | i see its also in testing https://packages.debian.org/jessie/julia but not in backports |
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| 15:53.20 | babilen | judd: checkbackport julia |
| 15:53.28 | judd | Backporting package julia in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: llvm-3.5-dev, libdouble-conversion-dev, libsuitesparse-dev (>= 1:4.2.1), libunwind8-dev, libopenblas-dev (>= 0.2.10-1~), libopenlibm-dev, libopenspecfun-dev (>= 0.4~), patchelf, python-sphinx-rtd-theme. |
| 15:53.51 | babilen | berceanu: Looks as if it won't be easy to backport that package yourself. |
| 15:53.53 | SynrGy | so, too many unsatisfiable build deps. unlikely |
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| 15:54.16 | berceanu | babilen: so what do u guys suggest |
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| 15:56.03 | rbanffy | babilen, Imagine, for instance, I install gcc and then install build-essential. Gcc will still be marked manual, but it would be not necessary to include it in the minimal list |
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| 15:56.56 | babilen | "I install gcc" -- why would you do that if you don't want it to be installed? |
| 15:56.56 | berceanu | can i still install it from testing? |
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| 15:57.03 | _rsc` | hi |
| 15:57.09 | babilen | berceanu: I wouldn't recommend mixing releases |
| 15:57.34 | berceanu | so what do you recommend |
| 15:57.37 | babilen | dpkg: tell rbanffy -about standard |
| 15:57.59 | babilen | rbanffy: Remove from that what you don't want. But you have to be more precise in what you consider to be "minimal". |
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| 15:58.43 | berceanu | i need to somehow get julia working on my debian box |
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| 16:01.02 | rbanffy | babilen, "minimal" to me would mean the shortest possible list that still install all the packages currently installed |
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| 16:01.23 | babilen | rbanffy: Yes, that is the list I told you about earlier. |
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| 16:04.13 | berceanu | guys? |
| 16:04.26 | enyc | is there a debian-alioth channel somewhere? |
| 16:04.33 | babilen | enyc: there is |
| 16:04.41 | enyc | problem with ridiculous amounts of junk being relayet from 89.238.151.235 ... |
| 16:04.47 | babilen | enyc: #debian-alioth on irc.debian.org / irc.oftc.net |
| 16:04.48 | enyc | babilen: where =) |
| 16:05.05 | babilen | enyc: It's on OFTC with the rest of the official channels |
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| 16:06.43 | _FBi | http://thehackernews.com/2014/10/download-Windows-10-keylogger.html |
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| 16:07.50 | rbanffy | babilen, so, it's likely "xcursor-themes" was installed "manually" via tasksel or other similar mechanism, and not a package dependency. |
| 16:07.52 | SynrGy | _FBi: ot |
| 16:08.05 | _FBi | ? |
| 16:08.06 | _FBi | oh |
| 16:08.07 | _FBi | sorry |
| 16:08.26 | enyc | babilen: thankyou |
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| 16:09.32 | babilen | rbanffy: I don't have that on *any* list on 200 boxes I just checked. It must be due to something you did in the past. |
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| 16:11.41 | babilen | But also on my two computers that do have Xorg installed (laptop and workstation) that particular package is not included. If you where to paste the entirety of your /var/log/apt/history.log* files to http://paste.debian.net we could grep in there to find out when it was installed. Not sure if apt-mark keeps logs so, we would probably also need your entire bash history and /var/log/installer/* |
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| 16:15.47 | rbanffy | babilen, I guess none of them has any X installed |
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| 16:16.16 | l3dx | can I find mails created by reportbug somewhere? |
| 16:16.36 | rbanffy | babilen, xcursor-themes is an Ubuntu thing, not vanilla Debian. Poorly chosen example. |
| 16:17.35 | babilen | rbanffy: Well, then be specific if you want to discuss specifics. I can assure you that all packages returned by that command will be in the "manually installed" state as far as the packaging system is concerned. |
| 16:17.43 | rbanffy | Ideally, the script should work on any .deb-based distro |
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| 16:18.11 | babilen | That command works on every distribution on which you have aptitude installed. |
| 16:18.20 | babilen | rbanffy: Is this not about Debian, but Ubuntu? |
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| 16:23.38 | jelly-home | rbanffy: the package exists in debian tho |
| 16:23.38 | rbanffy | jelly-home, yes, but it is a dependency of *ubuntu-desktop packages |
| 16:23.38 | jelly-home | rbanffy: I don't have any of those installed, for obvious reasons, but I still seem to have that package installed on this jessie workstation. |
| 16:23.38 | rbanffy | babilen, would a pre-installed gcc be marked as automatically installed if, later, I install build-essential? |
| 16:23.38 | rbanffy | babilen, the idea is not only to replicate a machine (in which I wouldn't really care whether the packages were manually installed or not) but also to do a "clean up". My work machines probably have accumulated quite a lot of apt-cruft |
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| 16:24.10 | rbanffy | babilen, maybe the right way to describe it would be to "neatly rebuild" or something like that |
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| 16:24.37 | babilen | rbanffy: Then look into deborphan. And it I can only repeat it once more: It only lists manually installed packages (that is those packages that you installed explicitly at one point) |
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| 16:27.57 | rbanffy | babilen, OK. Then that command does not do what I want to do and I still need to play with the package system |
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| 16:30.25 | rbanffy | babilen, thanks. It was worth trying |
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| 16:32.07 | jelly-home | rbanffy: you may use debfoster, which goes the other way and only keeps what you explicitely tell it to keep |
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| 16:33.49 | rbanffy | jelly-home, thanks. I think I'll just build a tool for that. I also need to do it for MacPorts... |
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| 16:36.41 | jeremybrown82 | Can i use armel arch, to put debian on my chromebook? |
| 16:36.41 | jeremybrown82 | is this the offical debian irc chat room? |
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| 16:36.59 | jeremybrown82 | hi Corey84 funny seeing yoiu here |
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| 16:37.31 | Corey84 | jeremybrown82, why |
| 16:37.43 | jeremybrown82 | arent you i the mint chat room also |
| 16:37.47 | jeremybrown82 | in* |
| 16:37.49 | Corey84 | I use mint fedora and help debian channels too whats so funny/odd about that |
| 16:38.11 | jeremybrown82 | its a small world |
| 16:38.13 | Corey84 | 199 channels total lol 8 servers jeremybrown82 |
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| 16:43.56 | jeremybrown82 | can i get some help here? |
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| 16:44.58 | jelly-home | jeremybrown82: sometimes you can. Obscure platforms are less likely to have knowledgeable people active. |
| 16:45.12 | jelly-home | !arm |
| 16:45.12 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at 5.0 "Lenny" with official support dropped at 6.0 "Squeeze", ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 16:45.34 | jelly-home | the channel above may be more useful, jeremybrown82 |
| 16:45.54 | jeremybrown82 | thanks :) |
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| 16:49.35 | iveevue | Why was arm support dropped? |
| 16:50.06 | teraflops_ | from? |
| 16:50.26 | jelly-home | iveevue: because noone wants or can support really old hardware |
| 16:51.08 | jelly-home | iveevue: same reason 80386 cpu support was dropped |
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| 16:52.58 | iveevue | Don't almost all smartphones use arm? |
| 16:53.49 | jeremybrown82 | iveevue yes, including some chromebooks which is why i asked |
| 16:54.46 | jeremybrown82 | !armel |
| 16:54.46 | dpkg | armel is the Debian <ARM> EABI port, first released with Debian 5.0 "Lenny". http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. See also <armel vs armhf>. |
| 16:54.49 | iveevue | I don't see how it's "really old hardware" then... |
| 16:55.31 | jeremybrown82 | it has its limitations, but is much cheaper to manufacture in limited quantities |
| 16:57.02 | jelly-home | iveevue: hardware compatible with armv5 works with debian "armel" or "armhf" userspace architectures. CPUs older than that, armv4, that used to be supported with Debian's "arm" architecture, are not supported any more. |
| 16:57.17 | iveevue | ic |
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| 16:59.13 | jelly-home | iveevue: ARM has a very long history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ARM_microarchitectures |
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| 17:00.50 | jeremybrown82 | the one im interested in iveevue, is this, http://elinux.org/Jetson_TK1 |
| 17:00.52 | jelly-home | iveevue: the above basically means Debian does not support hardware designed before ~2005, and it used to |
| 17:01.40 | jeremybrown82 | jelly-home, what about the nvidia tegra arm cortex a15 which came out recently??? |
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| 17:02.05 | jelly-home | jeremybrown82: I have no idea. |
| 17:02.12 | jeremybrown82 | i kinda figured |
| 17:02.23 | jelly-home | ask in the right channel |
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| 17:03.30 | jeremybrown82 | sir! |
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| 17:06.20 | alipoor90 | Hi, how I can setup a pptp connection with iproute2? |
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| 17:10.04 | jelly-home | alipoor90: you don't. The correct tool is in the pptp-linux package. |
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| 17:10.22 | alipoor90 | Thanks |
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| 17:10.46 | jelly-home | perhaps even network-manager-pptp-gnome |
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| 17:16.09 | iveevue | jelly-home, "hardware designed ..." do you mean "arm hardware designed ..."? |
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| 17:17.15 | jelly-home | iveevue: yes |
| 17:17.17 | iveevue | ok |
| 17:17.33 | jelly-home | iveevue: did you look at the wikipedia page? |
| 17:17.45 | iveevue | Yeah |
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| 17:18.48 | jelly-home | anything with "cortex" in the name is new enough. |
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| 17:53.52 | zoie | my sound isn't working on debian heezy kde |
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| 18:03.33 | XeroxZerox | Hey guys - I have a rather odd question - my buddy tells me he is a total Linux-Pro (which he isn´t) and that I can´t do anything to his system, without him not being able to find and fix it - he gave me root access and I don´t want to do the obvious rm -rf things, but rather make some tweaks so e.g. his network randomly crushes or the log files fill up all space ... some mean shit he won´t notice to soon. Any ideas :) ? |
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| 18:04.10 | jelly-home | XeroxZerox: is this a Debian system? |
| 18:04.24 | XeroxZerox | Yes |
| 18:04.28 | XeroxZerox | Yes |
| 18:04.31 | jelly-home | which debian release? |
| 18:04.38 | iveevue | XeroxZerox, dd if=/dev/zero of=/_ bs=1M |
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| 18:05.23 | XeroxZerox | jelly-home: it´s wheezy and I have root access |
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| 18:05.56 | zoie | i cannot change the sound, it stays at 0 |
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| 18:06.14 | jelly-home | XeroxZerox: well, whatever we tell you you obviously haven't have had thought of my yourself, so he's right |
| 18:06.27 | jelly-home | by* yourself |
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| 18:07.20 | jelly-home | that said, making files immutable can make things interesting. |
| 18:08.20 | XeroxZerox | jelly-home: I have thought of many things, but I rather have little experience in implementing them in a mean way - I mean I could change networking etc, but this is too obvious, I am looking for some meaner shit - I just want to break his ego :) |
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| 18:09.21 | jelly-home | I'm not sure helping you accomplish this is the best way of spending my alloted tech support volunteer time |
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| 18:10.30 | jelly-home | XeroxZerox: if you have physical access, boot off your own OS from a usb stick because his OS may already be logging whatever you do |
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| 18:10.43 | zxd | hi |
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| 18:11.13 | zxd | I am confused if I should install the chef packages for debian on getchef.com or use the packages that come with the distro |
| 18:12.07 | XeroxZerox | jelly-home: I think it´s definately not, there are people with serious problems and you should take care of them primarily, though I still would be thankful for hints and ideas and mean stuff you always wanted to do ;) |
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| 18:12.57 | siloxid | I am trying to dist-upgrade a system for the shellshock vuln and it is telling me that there are no updates. I have bash 4.1.5 which is vulnerable. should I be worried? what is a solid way to replace bash with ash manually? |
| 18:13.35 | siloxid | it looks like /bin/sh is pointing to dash |
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| 18:16.13 | jelly-home | siloxid: which debian release is this? |
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| 18:16.41 | acemi | siloxid: is this Debian Squeeze? |
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| 18:18.06 | siloxid | not sure. how do I check that? |
| 18:18.12 | jelly-home | !debian suite |
| 18:18.12 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
| 18:18.30 | siloxid | 6.0.10 |
| 18:18.40 | jelly-home | that's squeeze, "oldstable" |
| 18:19.14 | jelly-home | siloxid: you'll want to either enable squeeze-lts repositories and grab patches from there, or upgrade to current release, debian 7 |
| 18:19.24 | jelly-home | !squeeze-lts |
| 18:19.24 | dpkg | Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" will continue until 2016-02-06 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 18:20.15 | siloxid | ok. for the time being I removed /bin/bash and ln -s /bin/dash to /bin/bash |
| 18:20.27 | jelly-home | that WILL break things |
| 18:20.48 | tharkun | siloxid: bad idea |
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| 18:21.02 | jelly-home | siloxid: in fact it may make upgrades not work. |
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| 18:21.17 | siloxid | but there aren't any upgrades out yet... |
| 18:21.38 | tharkun | siloxid: Do not abandon your current shell you will have lots of trouble if you try to log back in. |
| 18:21.40 | siloxid | I don't want this system to get compromised. it is only a git server and push and pull still appears to work |
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| 18:21.41 | jelly-home | siloxid: we just told you where to get upgrades! |
| 18:21.47 | siloxid | ok |
| 18:22.26 | jelly-home | tharkun: logging in might be a problem, but all the system #!/bin/bash script will be broken |
| 18:22.34 | jelly-home | might not* |
| 18:22.57 | jelly-home | siloxid: do you have backups? |
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| 18:23.22 | tharkun | jelly-home: Depends on what you have at .bash* |
| 18:23.35 | tharkun | But then that is not the isue at this point in time. |
| 18:23.35 | siloxid | jelly-home: yes, lots |
| 18:23.43 | jelly-home | tharkun: if will fail, unlikely to hang |
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| 18:24.22 | jelly-home | siloxid: good, carefully restore /bin/bash back, enable squeeze-lts repo, update and install bash from there. |
| 18:24.37 | tharkun | jelly-home: Defenetly |
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| 18:27.21 | kef | hey guys, how can i tell why apt-get dist-upgrade wants to install systemd in wheezy? |
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| 18:28.02 | tharkun | kef: it is default |
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| 18:28.18 | rredd4 | what is the fastest gui x environment for a p4 box? facebook games are not fast enough with xfce |
| 18:29.12 | siloxid | ratpoison perhaps |
| 18:29.15 | tharkun | rredd4: you've got to find out what your dm is and your wm. you might want to switch to xdm and use something tiled like ion3 |
| 18:29.18 | jelly-home | rredd4: they will be slow either way, even if you use lxde or a simple window manager like fluxbox. |
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| 18:29.40 | tharkun | rredd4: Think of your computer as an embedded system |
| 18:29.40 | kef | tharkun: oh, it is? |
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| 18:29.43 | kef | huh... |
| 18:30.00 | rredd4 | so its not just the x its mostly the p4? |
| 18:30.05 | siloxid | ok, upgrading bash. thanks |
| 18:30.11 | jelly-home | rredd4: it's mostly flash and the cpu. |
| 18:30.28 | rredd4 | flash.. steve jobs was right |
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| 18:30.58 | jelly-home | rredd4: if you can right-click and set low quality, it helps a bit |
| 18:31.20 | rredd4 | low quality on what, currently using xfce |
| 18:31.26 | rredd4 | with debian |
| 18:31.30 | jelly-home | on a flash game thingy |
| 18:31.39 | tharkun | rredd4: How much ram do you have? |
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| 18:31.53 | mtn | kef: do you have testing or jessie in your sources? were doing an dist-upgrade to jessie? |
| 18:31.58 | rredd4 | i think 2g |
| 18:32.18 | rredd4 | or 1, box is not on.. don't remember |
| 18:32.19 | jelly-home | that's enough for xfce and a browser |
| 18:32.42 | jelly-home | (with not more than a dozen tabs) |
| 18:32.44 | tharkun | rredd4: stop all concievable daemons before you play, you should see some cycles beeing freed. powertop or similar can be your friend. |
| 18:33.02 | rredd4 | ok |
| 18:34.01 | kef | mtn: actually i've got unstable in my apt-sources; they are pinned at priority 300 though |
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| 18:34.23 | siloxid | rredd4: ratpoison users like to brag about how fast it makes old hardware run. it's made of about 3k lines of optimized C the last time I checked |
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| 18:34.35 | mtn | kef: well, systemd is the default in jessie and sid |
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| 18:35.00 | rredd4 | not sure what ratpoison is, but will google it |
| 18:35.04 | mtn | kef: this may be of interest: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 18:36.16 | siloxid | it's a minimal wm like xfce and stumpwm |
| 18:36.33 | rredd4 | ahh ok |
| 18:36.51 | mtn | siloxid: xfce is a desktop environment, not a wm |
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| 18:37.17 | acemi | nowadays my favorite is spectrwm |
| 18:37.31 | rredd4 | my daughter uses the p4, she is gui driven |
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| 18:38.47 | hpym | rredd4: cwm but its a learning curve but p4 web page rendering will be slow anyway |
| 18:39.19 | rredd4 | just need to find some money and get her a new box.. |
| 18:39.22 | rredd4 | someday |
| 18:39.47 | rredd4 | put cement in the p4 for an anchor?? |
| 18:39.50 | rredd4 | lol |
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| 18:42.45 | Klaus_Dieter | rredd4: you probably want zram to reduce vm pressure |
| 18:43.39 | Klaus_Dieter | rredd4: my laptop has 2.5gb ram and the first core 2 duo processor - and I use it on a daily basis as development-box quite comfortably with awesome as window manager and ... behold ... kde as desktop environment |
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| 18:44.08 | Klaus_Dieter | rredd4: however flash will always be pretty slow |
| 18:44.21 | Klaus_Dieter | rredd4: you can reduce quality settings in flash applets which helps a lot |
| 18:44.37 | jelly-home | core2 is lots better that a p4 tho |
| 18:45.04 | rredd4 | yes flash is slow, people are so dependent on flash on the internet. It needs to change |
| 18:45.50 | Klaus_Dieter | jelly-home: cpu-wise yes. also at that level.. having 512mb additional ram means a lot |
| 18:45.59 | jelly-home | rredd4: it's changing. People play native candy crush on their mobile phones instead of flash apps on fb |
| 18:46.10 | Klaus_Dieter | also I do not use that box to play flash games |
| 18:46.46 | rredd4 | if i had a core2 for my daughter, although she uses my core2 when possible |
| 18:46.59 | rredd4 | she needs an i7 |
| 18:47.32 | Klaus_Dieter | rredd4: not sure... the i3 and i5 are pretty fast as well... :) |
| 18:47.53 | rredd4 | jelly-home didn't know that cc was in native mode.. on android? |
| 18:48.04 | Klaus_Dieter | rredd4: it is. |
| 18:48.16 | Klaus_Dieter | well "native" probably it is java |
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| 18:54.21 | rredd4 | she is using a galaxy 10.1 tablet now, but its not a desktop tho. the tablet cannot do what the desktop can |
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| 18:58.25 | jelly-home | rredd4: it's dalvik on android, native on iOS I guess |
| 18:58.45 | jelly-home | still that 10" tablet is probably good enough for those fb games |
| 18:58.54 | rredd4 | yes it is |
| 18:59.23 | rredd4 | jelly-home possible webkit on ios? |
| 18:59.38 | jelly-home | no idea |
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| 19:05.36 | rredd4 | thanks all for your help, have a great day! |
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| 19:31.42 | Aziroshin | Is it normal for the debian installer to take a minute or longer sometimes inbetween selections even in an unaccelerated, virtualized environment with a fairly modern CPU? |
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| 19:35.15 | Brigo | Aziroshin, sometimes, can you be more especific? |
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| 19:37.49 | bertrik | maybe a /dev/random problem, reading it may block a long time, just a wild guess |
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| 19:48.24 | sharp15 | strange problem. i have a sandisk cruzer micro u3 flash disk. the device is still recognized on an existing gentoo box. however if i plug it into a freshly installed debian-7.6.0 box the /dev/sd* files are not created. can anyone help? |
| 19:49.01 | sharp15 | i should also say lsusb identifies the device correctly on the debian box. |
| 19:49.15 | sharp15 | there just aren't any /dev/sd* entries. |
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| 20:05.37 | jhonMark | hi guys |
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| 20:06.04 | jhonMark | Am I the only one who thinks that "web" the gnome web browser devours the ram :/ |
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| 20:06.22 | rwp | All of the web browsers are memory hog pigs these days. |
| 20:06.45 | jhonMark | I was in another distro, and I came to debian cuz my system was freezing suddenly |
| 20:06.49 | rwp | Although the fault is really the remote web sites that load up massive Javascript and load massively large images. Takes ram to do that. |
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| 20:07.11 | jhonMark | then I realize it wasn't the distro, but I stayed in debian <3 xD |
| 20:07.16 | rwp | Sounds like a kernel / hardware problem. |
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| 20:07.47 | jhonMark | it was the chamaleonic, and it has the very last kernel and still |
| 20:07.48 | rwp | You might want to install "mcelog" and see if any machine check exceptions are being logged. |
| 20:07.50 | centrx | cool story |
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| 20:08.26 | jhonMark | I'll check that |
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| 20:09.10 | jhonMark | now in jessie with 3.16 it is very very stable, but still in gnome "web" does freeze the whole thing and later it recovers. |
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| 20:09.27 | rwp | When I am looking for machine instability (hard to do, not very successful) I look for the system getting too hot (use acpi or lmsensors), memory failures (memtest86+), MCEs, disk controller instability, other. |
| 20:09.46 | jhonMark | I installed xfce4 with midori and everythin is fine now, but don't know if I have to report a bug or something |
| 20:09.58 | rwp | Could be any of those things, or other things. Can be quite hard to narrow down sometimes. But if you get a solid hit on something like a bad ram then that is an easy fix. |
| 20:10.23 | pclover | so my koss prodj100 arrived today giving them a test |
| 20:10.29 | jhonMark | rwp: I check temperatures, the ram is new, same for the disk, |
| 20:10.43 | jhonMark | I'll have to check the MCE thing |
| 20:10.52 | rwp | The advantage of xfce4, midori, and those are that they are light weight. Use less memory, less resources, less heat produced. Might avoid tickling the problem without really fixing the problem. |
| 20:11.14 | pclover | how the hell does a 45$ headphone sound this good? |
| 20:11.27 | jhonMark | rwp: yeah, I guess it could be what's happening :/ but the ram still fills |
| 20:11.30 | rwp | New when it comes to ram doesn't really mean anything. Sometimes ram timings are so close that it is a timing issue not a hard failure issue. |
| 20:12.02 | jhonMark | rwp: I am not currently on my system, so can't really tell, they are some cheap markvision |
| 20:12.14 | jhonMark | pclover: senhesier? |
| 20:12.18 | rwp | I have *often* seen problems with a particular ram motherboard combination. Swap the ram from another machine and it works fine. And the other machine works with the ram from the problem system. Because the other system may have more margin. |
| 20:12.26 | pclover | Koss ProDJ100 |
| 20:12.30 | pclover | was looking for a cheap second pair |
| 20:12.38 | jhonMark | pclover: I was about to say koss |
| 20:12.47 | pclover | and i just relized i'm in the wrong channel lol |
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| 20:12.50 | pclover | but oh well |
| 20:12.52 | jhonMark | rwp: how can I check that? memtest will do? |
| 20:13.38 | rwp | Basically you need lots of systems with lots of spare parts. I just keep swapping things around until it works. Sorry. Can't suggest any way to instrument it for an exact diagnosis. |
| 20:13.46 | jhonMark | rwp: I had literally spend months with a bad ram+mobo combination |
| 20:13.51 | jhonMark | rwp: :( so sad |
| 20:14.03 | jhonMark | rwp:I dont have those |
| 20:14.24 | rwp | It can be a problem. |
| 20:14.30 | jhonMark | I guess I better stay in the low ram consumption side |
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| 20:15.39 | rwp | If you have two dimms try removing one of them. And then swap for the other one. |
| 20:15.59 | pclover | jhonMark, they are not as good as my AKGs but it's comparing apples to oranges |
| 20:16.23 | jhonMark | rwp: only 1, 4gb |
| 20:16.40 | rwp | And your symptoms might not be ram. I have seen cpus fail too. CPUs are so large these days that a small area of the cpu might become flakey but the rest might work okay. Causes strange results. |
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| 20:17.03 | jhonMark | rwp: I could buy another one later, but I mean, 4gb for just web browsing, |
| 20:17.35 | rwp | Sorry if I sound like a big downer about debugging this. But it can be hard. So take comfort in that it is hard and there just isn't a direct answer sometimes. |
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| 20:18.21 | rwp | It seems that a web browser hitting Gmail and Facebook will consume around 2G in steady state here. More if you add other heavy web sites to the mix. |
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| 20:18.31 | jhonMark | I could do some "heavy" stuff in the web browser, like c9 and youtube. but sigh, yeah, better get used to it, maybe in the far future I'll buy a laptop and will be fine |
| 20:18.44 | jhonMark | s/could/maybe |
| 20:18.48 | rwp | Large images, large javascript. |
| 20:19.58 | rwp | Ah yes, large Flash too. Possibly Java. Possibly Silverlight for the MS/Netflix crowd. |
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| 20:20.35 | rwp | You could always run lynx but while perfect for some web sites most people don't find it satisfying for youtube. (haha) |
| 20:20.39 | jhonMark | flash does not respect my freedom :( </rms> |
| 20:20.56 | teraflops_ | xD |
| 20:21.05 | rwp | Flash does not. And Adobe has had a terrible history of non-support. |
| 20:21.34 | pclover | jhonMark, the mids are not as good but yeah lol |
| 20:22.21 | jhonMark | pclover: the best audios I had were a sony XD100 :( so flat, not like I Like women |
| 20:22.33 | pclover | my main is K550s |
| 20:22.42 | jhonMark | pclover: I don't spend lots on that |
| 20:22.45 | teraflops_ | you dont need silly silverlight any more for doing netflix |
| 20:22.59 | jhonMark | rwp: :( but but, join us now and share the software |
| 20:23.24 | jhonMark | rwp: html5 youtube, vimeo YEAH :) |
| 20:23.58 | jhonMark | teraflops_: yeah now the support is official. |
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| 20:25.51 | teraflops_ | jhonMark: but anyway I think p2p streaming is even better |
| 20:27.43 | teraflops_ | i mean it is more efficient |
| 20:27.54 | Guest57841 | Hello everyone, I currently ran into a problem where my "/" root filesystem only has 128mb free, now my last partition has 400gb free. So I booted into a live usb of gparted to rezide the last one and add it to my root. but it wont let me resize the "/" filesystem. Cant figure it out, nothing is mounted.. they are formatted ext4 |
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| 20:28.53 | jhonMark | resizing partitions, some gambling you have there (In my opinion, don't take it too seriuos) |
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| 20:29.21 | Guest57841 | due to teh fact my system is running really slow and keeps warning me about low file space.. |
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| 20:31.50 | Guest57841 | nvm got it damn swap was in the way im so stupid!! |
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| 20:36.18 | sharp15 | nevermind. something weird happened during install. for some reason i have 2 kernels installed. |
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| 20:37.51 | jhonMark | sharp15: I have 2 also, the pae and the not pae |
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| 20:42.23 | Aziroshin | Brigo: In case you are still there, I am attempting to install debian into a kvm virtual machine. I have libvirt and am configuring the machine using xml. The definition file goes like this: http://dpaste.com/3WV5QJY |
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| 20:42.51 | Aziroshin | It's not an unaccelerated machine... perhaps. I am not quite sure at this point. At least it's finding those disks with the virtio-bus |
| 20:44.15 | sharp15 | JohnDoh: mine are amd64 and generic. but i didn't ask for anything special from the network-install cd. so i'm slightly confused. |
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| 20:45.15 | Aziroshin | The problem is that the machine is extremely slow. The debian installer is sometimes taking longer than a minute between selections to come up with the next step. |
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| 20:45.48 | Aziroshin | I've also had a kernel panic once when the configuration was still a bit different. Now I found the machine crashed, but I am not sure what crashed it. The VNC window closed. |
| 20:46.09 | sharp15 | confusingly the -generic kernel on my machine doesn't have access to most of the drivers. |
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| 20:47.00 | jmd | This isn't really a debian question, but since it is hosted by debian ... |
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| 20:47.36 | jmd | Is there a place I can download the sane-backends source without needing SSL ? |
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| 20:56.17 | sine0 | hi guys. is this normal? https://dpaste.de/KLcF how do i set when cron kicks in to do jobs |
| 20:56.24 | teraflops_ | jmd: well, at your own risk |
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| 20:58.13 | jmd | teraflops_: ?? |
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| 21:05.29 | JohnnyL | i'm setting a daemon service to manual but it's still starting in debian. any suggestions? |
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| 21:10.00 | babilen | dpkg: tell JohnnyL -about disable service |
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| 21:10.20 | babilen | JohnnyL: Although you might ask yourself why you have it installed if you don't want to use it |
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| 21:15.48 | JohnnyL | babilen: http://pastie.org/9620913 |
| 21:16.39 | JohnnyL | babilen: Oh this has nothing to do with debians default install. |
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| 21:17.03 | babilen | JohnnyL: I must have missed your question or I am not sure why you show me the output of that command. |
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| 21:17.33 | babilen | All I meant was: It is a *bit* curious that you have a service installed that you don't want to start. |
| 21:18.40 | JohnnyL | guessing guessing, thats all I do with debian. |
| 21:18.55 | JohnnyL | web page after web page of outdating imperialist dogma. |
| 21:20.00 | babilen | Please, keep that elsewhere, this is a support channel |
| 21:20.09 | JohnnyL | where is the support? |
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| 21:21.27 | babilen | I already told you how to disable a service and you have done that. What else do you need? I also hinted at the possibility of removing that service as it seems that you doesn't want to use it. |
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| 21:21.34 | teraflops_ | JohnnyL: if you dont whant the fu* service disable properly at boot or whatever runtime you want |
| 21:21.57 | babilen | What is a fu* service? |
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| 21:22.06 | teraflops_ | fucking |
| 21:22.11 | teraflops_ | sorry you asked |
| 21:22.15 | JohnnyL | you may have but your specific command resulted in the pastie i sent you which you didn't seem to fully understand. |
| 21:22.47 | babilen | JohnnyL: What do you require help with? What did you try to achieve and what happened? |
| 21:23.17 | babilen | (and please try to keep it friendly in here) |
| 21:23.20 | JohnnyL | teraflops_: i certainly didn't come in here for that. How dare you insinuate I actaully am having trouble disabled services at boottime. This is mockery! |
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| 21:23.43 | teraflops_ | ok JohnnyL ... |
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| 21:23.55 | babilen | JohnnyL: Please play elsewhere and/or learn how to ask questions properly |
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| 21:30.49 | struts | Hi! I'm curentry installing Debian and have chosen guided partitioning using encrypted LVM. At the moment all data on the hard disk is being deleted. If I were to abort the installation process _after_ it has finished deleting all data, would I need to repeat this step if I start the installation process once again? |
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| 21:32.47 | jmd | struts: No |
| 21:34.18 | struts | jmd: Great! Do I need to do complete any additional steps after this delete all data thing has finished to avoid doing it again? |
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| 21:34.45 | jmd | I don't think so. |
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| 21:35.22 | jmd | Next time around, you can choose the option "use pre-partioned disk" or something to that effect. |
| 21:35.26 | babilen | struts: You don't even have to complete it the first time around. |
| 21:35.56 | struts | babilen: Do you mean that it resumes where I abort it? |
| 21:35.57 | babilen | (you can just cancel it without any consequences but those that arise from the fact that you did not complete the process) |
| 21:36.29 | babilen | struts: No, not at all. I mean that it doesn't *really* force you to perform that step and that you can continue with the installation if you cancel that step. |
| 21:36.45 | jmd | babilen: But he will have to restart any phase he doesn't complete won't he? |
| 21:36.45 | babilen | (I'm not necessarily saying that that is a good idea) |
| 21:36.53 | babilen | jmd: No, why? |
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| 21:37.47 | jmd | Well there is no way to re-commence a half finished mkfs so far as I'm aware. |
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| 21:38.11 | struts | babilen: So if it were to pop up the next time, I can simply abort it and continue the installation process? |
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| 21:39.00 | babilen | jmd: I am quite specifically referring to the "deleting all data on the disk" step. |
| 21:39.37 | babilen | struts: What I meant is: You can even do that now. (but would not have overwritten all data with random data) |
| 21:40.03 | struts | babilen: Ok, that's all I need to know. Thanks! |
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| 22:02.31 | G66K | hello everyone |
| 22:02.37 | G66K | im facing a problem right here |
| 22:02.38 | G66K | -bash: /usr/bin/wget: Permission denied |
| 22:02.49 | G66K | even though im runin as root |
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| 22:06.50 | jmd | G66K: And what is the mode of /usr/bin/wget ? |
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| 22:16.19 | G66K | jmd 755 |
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| 22:17.50 | jmd | Are you on a NFS mount or something? |
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| 22:18.35 | G66K | jmd how do i know ? |
| 22:18.44 | jmd | mount |
| 22:23.11 | G66K | jmd http://pastebin.com/ZwFsvVxA |
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| 22:25.32 | jmd | G66K: So it does look like there are any strage mounts. Let's take a step back. What exactly are you doing, to get this error message? |
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| 22:28.24 | incal | when I run perf it says linux-tools-3.2 is not installed, but in my repositories I have only linux-tools-3.16, I have 3.2.0-4-amd64 on uname -r |
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| 22:28.57 | G66K | jmd i didnt do anything . after update i get this issues |
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| 22:31.19 | jmd | G66K: What do you mean you didn't do anything? It just keeps popping up this message at random times, or what? |
| 22:32.12 | G66K | jmd i dont know if the update has effect about error |
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| 22:33.42 | jmd | You said you had a problem. What exactly is the problem? |
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| 22:35.50 | G66K | -bash: /usr/bin/wget: Permission denied |
| 22:36.45 | jmd | G66K: Can you please tell me what you are doing to get this error message!! |
| 22:37.43 | G66K | jmd wget http://example.com/file.tar.gz |
| 22:38.17 | jmd | and what is the current directory? |
| 22:39.00 | G66K | /root/ |
| 22:40.10 | jmd | which wget |
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| 22:40.48 | G66K | nothing show off |
| 22:40.58 | G66K | seems like wget no exist |
| 22:41.16 | jmd | What happens when you type "which wget" ? |
| 22:41.26 | G66K | nothing |
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| 22:41.50 | jmd | Then you don't have it installed. |
| 22:41.55 | jmd | apt-get install wget |
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| 22:47.40 | Windfisch | hi |
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| 22:48.21 | Windfisch | i'm trying to get a program working on 64bit wheezy which is linked against a 32bit libldap; how can i install the 32bit version of libldap? |
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| 22:49.26 | Windfisch | apt-get install libldap-2.4-2:i386 tells me that the package could not be found :/ |
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| 22:51.06 | dvs | Windfisch: dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 22:51.14 | Windfisch | ooh thank you :) |
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| 22:51.17 | Windfisch | that was easy :) |
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| 23:26.01 | Voidzone | what is newest version of debian |
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| 23:27.45 | mtn | Voidzone: wheezy, aka stable, aka 7 |
| 23:28.19 | Voidzone | should i upgrade if i use 7.2 |
| 23:28.49 | Brigo | Voidzone, yes, there is a 7.6 |
| 23:28.56 | mtn | Voidzone: you should always keep it uptodate. all numbers of 7. whatever are still just plain old wheezy |
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| 23:29.48 | Voidzone | k |
| 23:29.52 | mtn | Voidzone: just run update manager or synaptic or apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 23:45.55 | nabblet | hi :) |
| 23:46.01 | Windfisch | hey again |
| 23:46.27 | Windfisch | i seem to have problems with missing symbols in sasl, could you help me understanding this message or even fixin it please :)? |
| 23:46.30 | Windfisch | /etc/opt/SUNWut/jre/bin/java: symbol lookup error: /opt/SUNWut/lib/libutadmin.so.1: undefined symbol: _sasl_hmac_md5 |
| 23:47.27 | mwargh | theoretical question: is there a simple way to tell debian system to remove all packages except absolutely essential (coreutils...) and package manager? |
| 23:47.51 | rudi_s | Windfisch: The symbol _sasl_hmac_md5 is not present in /opt/SUNWut/lib/libutadmin.so.1 but the program requires it. |
| 23:48.57 | mtn | mwargh: I think the short answer is "no" |
| 23:49.21 | rudi_s | mwargh: deborphan might help to reduce the list, but it won't become minimal. |
| 23:49.29 | Windfisch | is there an easier fix than to build my own sasl package with the symbol turned on? |
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| 23:49.57 | rudi_s | Windfisch: As a proper fix, no. You could have fun with LD_PRELOAD and LD_LIBRARY_PATH, but building a proper library is the correct way. |
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| 23:51.23 | mwargh | mtn: rudi_s so basically if i'd really need to do this i should setup debian on a virtual machine and save dpkg --get-selections to a file on a real machine and pray it works? |
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| 23:52.47 | mwargh | (i have a situation like this once, ended up giving up and reinstalling the system) |
| 23:52.53 | mwargh | s/have/had |
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| 23:54.15 | rudi_s | mwargh: The question is, what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 23:54.44 | rudi_s | If you want a minimal debian, just install a new one from netinstall (or debootstrap), deselect all tasks when asked to and use that. That's minimal. |
| 23:54.54 | rudi_s | If you want to remove unnecessary packages, use deborphan. |
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| 23:56.06 | mwargh | rudi_s: i want to know if there is a way to do something like deleting /usr/local in freebsd wich leaves you with so called base-system, this way you can reinstall all packages you need from scratch |
| 23:56.34 | rudi_s | mwargh: No, there's nothing like that. |
| 23:56.51 | rudi_s | But you can get close by using deborphan and removing all packages deborphan -an tells you. |
| 23:56.53 | tables | how can i just extract all the files of a deb? |
| 23:57.00 | tables | i just want to extract all the files |
| 23:57.01 | rudi_s | That will remove almost all superflous packages. |
| 23:57.06 | rudi_s | tables: dpkg -x path/to/deb path/to/dir |
| 23:58.35 | mwargh | rudi_s: thanks, i'll look into deporphan. basically what i really wanteded is to understand if there is a simple way to unscrew screwed up package manager, like aforementioned /usr/local delete. i don't need to do it right now |
| 23:58.39 | mwargh | it's just in case |
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| 23:59.15 | rudi_s | mwargh: I'm not sure what you mean with "screwd up package manager". dpkg and apt don't screw up (normally). |