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| 00:16.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hm... I have {c,}debootstrap installed but no ubuntu-archive-keyring. What happens if I try to debootstrap an Ubuntu? |
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| 00:18.19 | jordanm | Eduard_Munteanu: all the apt stuff happens inside of the chroot, it doesn't matter what the host system is or what i has |
| 00:19.10 | Eduard_Munteanu | I'm pretty sure debootstrap used to simply issue a warning and ignore GPG-checking for Debian suites if there was no keyring installed. |
| 00:19.25 | Eduard_Munteanu | Which is certainly what I do *not* want. |
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| 00:24.12 | Eduard_Munteanu | warning KEYRING "Cannot check Release signature; keyring file not available %s" "$1" |
| 00:24.35 | Eduard_Munteanu | Not sure if it's doing that stupid thing again. |
| 00:25.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | It seemingly tries to contact a https mirror first though. |
| 00:28.03 | maurer | I'm considering deploying a wanna-build system in order to allow me and a grou pof others to easily build and test debian packages internally for software we're developing |
| 00:28.13 | maurer | On https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWannaBuildInfrastructure it says "Note: The ?WannaBuildInfrastructure is undergoing a larger reshape, thats why I not working on this project for now. See Projects/DebSrc3.0 (http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0) for more information. " |
| 00:28.31 | maurer | However, the link for the reshape information doesn't provide anything |
| 00:28.38 | maurer | Is wannabuild being superceded? By what? |
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| 00:39.57 | Pixionus | I am trying to figure out how to reset ssh keys remotely and so far have removed all known hosts on the remote server, then run dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server |
| 00:40.12 | Pixionus | (I have the remote box here with me so also serialed in to it) |
| 00:40.49 | Pixionus | It kills my tunnel in the reconfigure |
| 00:41.00 | Pixionus | Makes sense to me, but someone said it shouldn't? |
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| 00:42.07 | Pixionus | on top of that, though I have cleared the keys from my client, when I attempt to connect to the reverse tunnel that the remote has established, local host closes it after debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent |
| 00:42.29 | slurpymcdurpy | 0 |
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| 00:44.25 | Pixionus | On the remote I am seeing: An error occurred creating a tunnel to jumpbox. RC was 1 |
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| 00:50.51 | thoonai | hey, i installed libsasl2-modules-gssapi-mit but it didnt generate an /etc/default/sasl[..] file |
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| 00:51.15 | thoonai | dpkg-reconfigure does not even find anything starting with sasl |
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| 00:53.48 | Pixionus | any thoughts? I just need direction for my research because I haven't found too much |
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| 00:54.51 | t4nk176 | Commandline: apt-get -y install lxde lxde-core lxde-icon-theme |
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| 01:02.06 | abrotman | dpkg: tell thoonai about apt-file |
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| 01:03.05 | thoonai | ok |
| 01:03.09 | thoonai | thanks |
| 01:03.31 | thoonai | I'll stop ldap/kerberos for now and try to get nis running ^^ |
| 01:03.57 | maurer | thoonai: Uh, strong anti-reccomend |
| 01:04.01 | maurer | NIS is terrifying |
| 01:04.06 | maurer | and has a bunch of fundamental flaws |
| 01:04.24 | maurer | like the ability of any user on the system to dump the hash of every other user's password in most configurations |
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| 01:04.34 | thoonai | maurer: ldap had cost me 3 days ... I think nis will be much easier |
| 01:05.00 | maurer | It may be easier, just like not locking the front door to your house is easier |
| 01:05.04 | maurer | doesn't make it a good idea |
| 01:05.13 | thoonai | maurer: else I write a script, which syncs the /etc/passwd files |
| 01:05.24 | maurer | Honestly, that might be a bit better, as silly as it sounds |
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| 01:06.20 | thoonai | maurer: well it will generate a blood mess of satan, to write an script to sync users and home-mount-settings over the workstations |
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| 01:08.35 | thoonai | I'd like to have an simple tutorial how to set up user management for little groups (ldap-kerberos) but everything I find is like enabling ldap to serve for dozenz of services or rtfm |
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| 01:09.38 | thoonai | probably I'm searching with the wrong keywords |
| 01:09.44 | thoonai | maurer: any idea? |
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| 01:17.36 | thoonai | do I scared everyone with curse words? |
| 01:17.39 | thoonai | o.O |
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| 01:19.27 | cafuego | yes |
| 01:19.38 | cesulbaran | hello |
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| 01:19.44 | cesulbaran | people |
| 01:19.54 | thoonai | cesulbaran: hi |
| 01:20.10 | thoonai | q |
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| 01:23.17 | thoonai | cafuego: well I'm sorry about that ._. |
| 01:24.55 | maurer | thoonai: So, I administer two ldap-krb systems. If you've got specific questions, let me know. |
| 01:25.12 | thoonai | maurer: help? \o/ |
| 01:25.21 | maurer | thoonai: What are you having problems with? |
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| 01:26.01 | thoonai | maurer: uhm getting ldap using kerberos and sasl working, and which service has to run un which machine |
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| 01:27.13 | thoonai | I set up a ubuntu 14.04 desktop vm as example for the future workstation computers and a debian 7 headless server as the future server (ubuntu for media stuff and debian because its way more reliable) |
| 01:28.29 | thoonai | the debian server is a vm too, as the ldap-krb server will run as an vm on an debian vm host together with the nfs vm for the user homes |
| 01:28.29 | themill | "ubuntu is better for multimedia" is a myth that just won't die. |
| 01:28.59 | maurer | thoonai: OK, first thing to check, did you provide ldap with a service key? |
| 01:29.11 | thoonai | themill: If I install debian workstations people chop off my head :) |
| 01:29.34 | thoonai | maurer: if its the keytab thing, yes .. I think so |
| 01:29.45 | maurer | so, you put something called |
| 01:29.59 | maurer | ldap/host@DOMAIN |
| 01:30.00 | maurer | into |
| 01:30.09 | maurer | /etc/krb5.keytab |
| 01:30.10 | maurer | ? |
| 01:31.34 | thoonai | no |
| 01:31.54 | thoonai | I thought so, but its not in /etc/anymore |
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| 01:33.25 | maurer | I don't know where the keytab location configuration is for sasl. |
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| 01:33.42 | maurer | /etc/krb5.keytab is the default location, did you reconfigure it to point wherever you put the keytab? |
| 01:34.28 | Lat | Hi, after running /etc/init.d/kdm stop I have a process "root 472 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Sep14 0:00 [kdmflush]" should I kill -9 it? or is it ok to run dist-upgrade? I'm using Sid |
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| 01:36.22 | thoonai | maurer: I honestly don't know where I'm stuck, I executed: ktadd -k /etc/ldap/ldap.keytab ldap/ldap.server.realm and added some changed default config with ldapmodify |
| 01:38.11 | themill | Lat: that's a kernel process for devicemapper. Don't kill it. |
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| 01:38.29 | Lat | themill, thank you |
| 01:38.39 | themill | (and you should never use kill -9 unless you wrote the code and know how it's going to fail) |
| 01:38.50 | rwp | Lat, That is a kernel process. Everyone running Linux kernel has those. Don't try to kill it. |
| 01:39.07 | rwp | Lat, It isn't associated with KDE. Just a naming collision. |
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| 01:39.19 | Lat | so every process within [ ] are kernel process? |
| 01:39.25 | rwp | Yes. |
| 01:39.41 | Lat | well, I learned something new. thank you very much |
| 01:45.38 | thoonai | maurer: so how do I can check, that kerberos is running as it should? |
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| 01:49.29 | nathanhi | g'day |
| 01:49.37 | nathanhi | i was currently installing debian/ppc |
| 01:50.03 | nathanhi | but it seems that it doesn't like my lvm setup... :) |
| 01:50.33 | nathanhi | activating the lvm from the rescue shell from cd works fine, i can mount all the partitions, and so on |
| 01:50.48 | maurer | thoonai: what error does ldap give when you fail to SASL against it? |
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| 01:51.17 | nathanhi | but it can't find my volume group in initrd. /dev/mapper is empty (except of /dev/mapper/control) |
| 01:51.23 | nathanhi | dm_mod is loaded |
| 01:51.41 | nathanhi | vgscan says "no volume groups found" ... any ideas? |
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| 01:52.42 | PryMar56 | dpkg -l lvm2 |
| 01:52.43 | dpkg | ii lvm2 3.6-4 prymar56's private stamp collection |
| 01:53.24 | PryMar56 | nathanhi, dpkg-reconfigure lvm2 |
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| 01:53.45 | thoonai | maurer: oh I have no clue what it does,I don't know hot to try it out |
| 01:53.56 | nathanhi | PryMar56, okay. thanks, i'll try it |
| 01:54.24 | PryMar56 | you will see the initramfs redone |
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| 01:55.09 | maurer | thoonai: run an ldapsearch command |
| 01:55.15 | maurer | thoonai: If it fails, check |
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| 01:56.47 | thoonai | maurer: [ldapsearch -Y EXTERNAL -H ldapi:/// -b "cn=config"] works |
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| 01:58.52 | nathanhi | PryMar56, nope, didn't work. /dev/mapper is still empty |
| 01:59.00 | nathanhi | :/ |
| 01:59.06 | maurer | thoonai: you need -Y GSSAPI to test |
| 01:59.33 | maurer | ldapi:/// + -Y EXTERNAL is "I am on the same system as you, use the fact that I am connecting to a unix socket to check my identit ybased on username" |
| 01:59.58 | thoonai | ok it failed |
| 02:00.13 | maurer | OK, what error did ldapsearch give, and what error did slapd give? |
| 02:00.26 | thoonai | root@Banane:~# ldapsearch -Y GSSAPI -H ldapi:/// -b "cn=config" |
| 02:00.26 | thoonai | SASL/GSSAPI authentication started |
| 02:00.26 | thoonai | ldap_sasl_interactive_bind_s: Local error (-2) additional info: SASL(-1): generic failure: GSSAPI Error: Unspecified GSS failure. Minor code may provide more information (Credentials cache file '/tmp/krb5cc_0' not found) |
| 02:01.21 | maurer | thoonai: You didn't run kinit first |
| 02:01.24 | maurer | no need to check slapd |
| 02:01.29 | maurer | run kinit, and punch in your password |
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| 02:02.28 | thoonai | ok kinit fails with: kinit: Client not found in Kerberos database while getting initial credentials |
| 02:02.44 | maurer | OK, your first problem is not that ldap sasl is not working |
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| 02:02.51 | maurer | your first problem is that you don't have kerberos set up properly |
| 02:03.02 | nathanhi | what might cause the absence of my volgroup from vgscan? |
| 02:03.08 | nathanhi | all needed modules seem to be loaded |
| 02:03.16 | maurer | Do you have a principal created for whatever user you are using right now? |
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| 02:07.24 | thoonai | maurer: no, I didn't |
| 02:07.42 | maurer | Either switch to one which has it set up, or create one |
| 02:07.50 | maurer | that is required to use kerberos sasl to authenticate to ldap |
| 02:08.28 | thoonai | I created an ldap-account ... and some kadmin accounts are there as default accounts |
| 02:09.26 | maurer | a kerberos principal is separate from anything in ldap |
| 02:09.41 | maurer | we may need to put things in ldap too depending on configuration, but you must have a kerberos principal |
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| 02:11.15 | thoonai | so the right command would be add_principal thoonai/host.domain ? |
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| 02:14.33 | maurer | no, add_principal thoonai |
| 02:14.41 | maurer | if you want the full form, thoonai@host.domain |
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| 02:14.46 | maurer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.11 | thoonai | ok it told me: kadmin.local: add_principal computerwerk@banane.computerwerk.lan |
| 02:16.11 | thoonai | WARNING: no policy specified for computerwerk@banane.computerwerk.lan; defaulting to no policy |
| 02:16.37 | maurer | that's fine |
| 02:16.47 | maurer | enter a password, then exit out of kadmin and run kinit |
| 02:17.18 | thoonai | kinit: Client not found in Kerberos database while getting initial credentials |
| 02:17.22 | thoonai | :/ |
| 02:17.26 | thoonai | Im stupid |
| 02:17.38 | maurer | Try running |
| 02:17.46 | maurer | kinit computerwerk@banane.computerwerk.lan |
| 02:17.55 | cesulbaran | thoonai: you're not stupid |
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| 02:19.55 | thoonai | cesulbaran: thanks :), but I'm a def. noob |
| 02:21.23 | thoonai | maurer: ah I should change the user from root to $user to start kinit |
| 02:21.24 | thoonai | ... |
| 02:21.31 | maurer | Yes |
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| 02:21.42 | thoonai | kinit: Client not found in Kerberos database while getting initial credentials |
| 02:21.54 | thoonai | well same error |
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| 02:33.59 | thoonai | maurer: thanks a lot |
| 02:34.01 | thoonai | :) |
| 02:34.16 | thoonai | I have to sleep, its 4:34am already |
| 02:34.26 | thoonai | I'll try tomorrow |
| 02:34.33 | thoonai | Good Night |
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| 07:18.45 | ram_mar | Hi, why is beignet (https://packages.debian.org/sid/beignet) not latest version in sid? |
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| 07:32.43 | Doxin | I'm trying to install pepperflashplugin-nonfree, but it keeps complaining it cant locate that package. my sources.list includes contrib: https://bpaste.net/show/511a530078dd |
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| 07:33.53 | babilen | Doxin: You are missing wheezy-backports in your sources.list |
| 07:33.59 | Doxin | ah |
| 07:34.00 | babilen | judd: v pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 07:34.01 | judd | Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1; jessie/contrib: 1.7; sid/contrib: 1.7 |
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| 07:36.00 | Doxin | babilen: that gives a bunch of errors about a malformed sources.list. how do I properly add wheezy-backports? |
| 07:36.49 | babilen | Doxin: http://paste.debian.net/122037/ would be a suitable sources.list that included wheezy-backports and uses a metamirror (http.debian.net picks the "best" mirror for you automatically) |
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| 07:37.20 | babilen | dpkg: tell Doxin about wheezy-backports |
| 07:38.08 | babilen | Doxin: Once you've configured that you can install packages from there with "apt-get -t wheezy-backports PKG" (e.g. "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install pepperflashplugin-nonfree) |
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| 07:38.41 | Doxin | babilen: such a hassle to get flash working |
| 07:38.43 | Doxin | oh well |
| 07:38.45 | Doxin | works now :3 |
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| 07:39.24 | Doxin | hum |
| 07:39.39 | Doxin | babilen: the package installed, but chromium is still having trouble with running flash |
| 07:40.21 | babilen | What kind of hassle and did you restart the browser? |
| 07:40.30 | Doxin | I did restart |
| 07:40.33 | babilen | s/hassle/trouble/ |
| 07:40.45 | babilen | Is the flash plugin listed in "about:plugins" ? |
| 07:40.46 | Doxin | messing around with apt a lot more than I'd like I guess |
| 07:40.51 | Doxin | babilen: it is |
| 07:41.01 | babilen | So, what's the actual problem? |
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| 07:41.18 | Doxin | babilen: I get a broken plugin icon followed by the text "Could not load Shockwave Flash" |
| 07:41.57 | babilen | When you do what? |
| 07:42.06 | Doxin | babilen: when I browse to a page using flash |
| 07:42.10 | babilen | Which page? |
| 07:42.20 | Doxin | grooveshark.com in this case |
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| 07:43.01 | Doxin | babilen: I can try a different page if you know any |
| 07:43.08 | babilen | Can't test that from here. Does, say, http://youtube.com work? What about http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ ? |
| 07:43.21 | Doxin | babilen: youtube works without flash just fine |
| 07:43.39 | Doxin | babilen: the adobe page has the same problem |
| 07:43.44 | babilen | yes, but is it using the flash player? |
| 07:44.15 | Doxin | babilen: yt isn't using the flash player, but it never does that for me. the adobe page does the broken plugin thing |
| 07:44.17 | babilen | Which version of chromium do you have and which flash plugin is listed in "about:plugins" ? |
| 07:44.42 | babilen | (and what's it location?) |
| 07:44.44 | Doxin | babilen: flash 11.2.999.999 and chromium 35.0.1916.153 |
| 07:44.51 | Doxin | location? of the plugin you mean> |
| 07:44.59 | Doxin | /usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/libpepflashplayer.so |
| 07:45.13 | babilen | Why do you have two listed? Could you remove the adobe one? |
| 07:45.26 | babilen | Ah, nvm :) |
| 07:45.35 | Doxin | I only have one listed ?_? |
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| 07:46.22 | babilen | Hmm, I have 15.0.0.152 here (on sid). Give me a second please. |
| 07:47.28 | Doxin | babilen: take all the time you need. |
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| 07:49.07 | babilen | Doxin: Could you run "update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install --verbose" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 07:50.17 | Doxin | babilen: that pastebin has a horrible interface. http://paste.debian.net/hidden/cb3cf42e/ |
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| 07:51.09 | babilen | Use another if you prefer that |
| 07:51.52 | babilen | Doxin: "upstream version 15.0.0.152 is already installed" -- you are obviously using an outdated version in chromium. Are you *sure* that you completely restarted the process? |
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| 07:52.31 | Doxin | babilen: I just did a killall on chromium, problem remains. |
| 07:52.58 | babilen | And 11.2.999.999 is still listed in "about:plugins" ? |
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| 07:54.11 | Doxin | babilen: yep |
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| 07:57.09 | babilen | Doxin: Looks as if the pepperflash version in the current google chrome requires a newer libc6. That means that you cannot use that particular version. (cf. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=114876 ) |
| 07:57.19 | Doxin | right |
| 07:57.28 | Doxin | babilen: so now what? |
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| 07:58.09 | babilen | Did you read the discussion already? |
| 07:58.22 | Doxin | babilen: "the" discussion? |
| 07:58.31 | babilen | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=114876 |
| 07:58.50 | Doxin | I have not read that |
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| 07:59.17 | babilen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cf. |
| 07:59.22 | violet-rpi | anyone knows how to install puppet 3.x on debian ? 2.7 is end of life atm :x |
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| 08:00.20 | Doxin | babilen: you know what? I'll just use iceweasel for anything flash related |
| 08:00.26 | babilen | violet-rpi: You might be able to backport it yourself by following the instructions in "/msg dpkg ssb", but there does not seem to be an official backport (yet?) |
| 08:00.34 | Doxin | although somehow it's missing the back button >.< |
| 08:00.39 | babilen | heh |
| 08:00.45 | babilen | Never go back! Never surrender! |
| 08:00.59 | Doxin | babilen: finally a use for the back button on my mouse I guess |
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| 08:01.41 | violet-rpi | babilen: i can not find it and i'm not using debian that much .. |
| 08:01.45 | allen | www.openstakc.org/document |
| 08:02.13 | allen | you can go |
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| 08:05.44 | violet-rpi | babilen: ty anyway i found it in backports, i forgot about backports ;) |
| 08:05.44 | babilen | violet-rpi: It means that you compile puppet 3.7 from a newer version of Debian yourself. "/msg dpkg ssb" sends a message to our bot. But then: The puppet packages are still supported by Debian (and upstream I guess): Does not having 3.7 pose a problem for you? |
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| 08:05.51 | arcke | how can I add an init script in such a way that it starts before another script at boot time? also, how do I find out when a certain script is started? |
| 08:06.56 | babilen | violet-rpi: You did? |
| 08:07.52 | babilen | arcke: Adjust its dependencies in such a way in the LSB header that it is started when all of them are satisfied |
| 08:08.01 | babilen | dpkg: tell arcke about lsb tags |
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| 08:08.22 | allen | you can do it in this directory /etc/rc*.d/ |
| 08:10.03 | arcke | ok, so if I write them well, the dnscrypt headers will tell sys-v that dnscrypt should be running before unbound |
| 08:10.09 | babilen | violet-rpi: https://docs.puppetlabs.com/guides/install_puppet/install_debian_ubuntu.html -- they provide their own packages fwiw |
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| 08:14.15 | babilen | arcke: I'd ask upstream or search for good examples of dnscrypt init scripts. There have probably been others that had that problem before. I can't see it packaged in Debian so you'd better contact upstream |
| 08:14.56 | arcke | babilen: theres a debian auto install script, but i chose to install it myself |
| 08:15.06 | violet-rpi | babilen: it is in the normal backports of wheezy , other systems have 3.X so i need 3.x , all is fine now ... |
| 08:15.52 | arcke | babilen: i think i can just insert dnscrypt proxy and give it an LSBinit name and add this name to unbounds required start |
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| 08:17.23 | babilen | violet-rpi: Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy YOURPUPPETPACKAGE" to http://paste.debian.net please and give me the link? |
| 08:17.36 | arcke | my dnscrypt init so far only implemneted start|stop, maybe restart will be required |
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| 08:20.47 | violet-rpi | babilen: what is the wgetpaste /pastebin pkg in debian? |
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| 08:21.45 | babilen | violet-rpi: There is pastebinit, libapp-nopaste-perl, sprunge.us, ... |
| 08:22.04 | babilen | violet-rpi: But can't you copy and paste? |
| 08:22.20 | babilen | dpkg: tell violet-rpi -about wgetpaste |
| 08:22.30 | violet-rpi | http://paste.debian.net/122044/ |
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| 08:26.48 | babilen | violet-rpi: I wouldn't call "http://apt.puppetlabs.com/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages" official Debian backports. That is the repository maintainer by upstream I mentioned earlier. There is no puppet package in wheezy-backports. |
| 08:27.37 | violet-rpi | ic ty |
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| 08:36.34 | borw3 | Question: Does debian come with openbox as default? |
| 08:36.59 | babilen | It will not be installed by default, but it is packaged in Debian |
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| 08:39.54 | babilen | dpkg: tell borw3 -about openbox |
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| 08:40.27 | borw3 | !openbox |
| 08:40.27 | dpkg | Openbox is an X window manager originally based on <Blackbox> 0.65.0, then rewritten in C (no code based on Blackbox since v3.0). http://wiki.debian.org/Openbox http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:FAQ http://www.openbox.org/ #openbox on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 08:42.00 | Doxin | okay so why is nautilus telling me "Sorry, could not display all the contents of network:///: Operation not supported" |
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| 08:47.22 | babilen | borw3: Yes, that is the message our bot just sent you in private. |
| 08:48.22 | babilen | Doxin: Standard gvfs stuff installed? |
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| 08:48.40 | babilen | (smb in particular) |
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| 09:16.33 | berarma | There's a manual chapter to install Debian from other distros, but what about installing Debian from Debian? Is there a guide or I should just use debootstrap? |
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| 09:18.13 | Nik05 | berarma no you cant start the installer from debian, but why not boot the installer? |
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| 09:18.36 | berarma | I want to use my computer while I install Debian in a USB HDD |
| 09:19.21 | Nik05 | well you can use something as debootstrap |
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| 09:25.14 | Thumpxr | berarma: use a virtual machine. |
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| 09:26.27 | berarma | thanks Nik05 and Thumpxr, yours suggestions will do |
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| 09:50.21 | monod2 | hello! I have a terrific new issue |
| 09:50.25 | monod2 | (new to me!) |
| 09:50.38 | monod2 | this is the paste: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/65cd9386/ |
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| 09:57.53 | Doxin | babilen: yep that's installed |
| 09:58.00 | Doxin | babilen: sorry for the slow response |
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| 10:59.30 | Gabi | i cant install screen @ debian 7 |
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| 11:04.07 | arcke | Gabi: why not? |
| 11:04.59 | Gabi | arcke |
| 11:05.12 | Gabi | http://pastebin.com/ASKPG1Md |
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| 11:05.50 | arcke | Gabi: did you rune apt-get update or aptitude update first? |
| 11:05.56 | arcke | s/rune/run |
| 11:06.49 | arcke | Gabi: and do you have a sources.list? (https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList) |
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| 11:07.49 | Gabi | its readonly |
| 11:08.05 | Gabi | how can i modify |
| 11:08.22 | b0bbi10 | hi, I get a "Some index files failed to download" error when doing aptitude update directly after a clean install. I search the Internet and figured I have to comment out the cdrom in the sources list. why is that included in the first place? |
| 11:08.24 | arcke | its a system file, you need root privileges to write it, what environment are you using? |
| 11:08.40 | arcke | GNOME? console? |
| 11:08.54 | Gabi | im via putty now , its gnome |
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| 11:09.08 | Gabi | Debian GNU/Linux 7 \n \l |
| 11:09.19 | arcke | you can use su or sudo to gain root priviliges |
| 11:09.49 | arcke | which you need anyway if you want to apt-get install something |
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| 11:10.26 | blackjack | Gabi, you need to have root privilege to those things you wanted |
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| 11:10.40 | Gabi | im logged in as root |
| 11:11.16 | arcke | then wat does ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list say? |
| 11:11.29 | blackjack | then just do nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:11.30 | blackjack | and edit it |
| 11:12.07 | blackjack | and to install screen just apt-get install nano |
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| 11:41.24 | pielgrzym | hi, debian live cds use isolinux bootloader instead of grub, right? I was wondering - can I configure isolinux to boot from a partition outside my livecd? I would like to build a livecd that is used to boot my debian machine to avoid using /boot partition one the hard drive (evil maid attack evasion) |
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| 12:21.25 | [Saint] | Will /etc/default/grub parse #if statements? |
| 12:21.42 | [Saint] | I don't care to get into a messy situation finding out the hard way. ;) |
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| 13:14.51 | [AdN] | Hello |
| 13:15.57 | [AdN] | I need help : with my graphic card 945GME (intel) I don't have GL_ARB_half_float_vertex enable. |
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| 13:16.56 | [AdN] | it' s possible enable it ? if yes, how ? |
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| 13:17.03 | [AdN] | ty for help. |
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| 13:50.36 | Nik05 | thank you r00t-err0r |
| 13:50.50 | r00t-err0r | sry |
| 13:51.12 | r00t-err0r | bad rule added :) i didnt use mIRC scripting since 2002 :D |
| 13:51.28 | r00t-err0r | i write some dnsbl checker :D |
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| 14:17.27 | obiwahn | has the amd linux support imporved? or is intel still better? |
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| 14:18.32 | obiwahn | i am especially interested in gpu's that are integrated in the cpu |
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| 14:32.55 | tremon | obiwahn: I have no issues using a hd8570 on jessie (a8-6500 apu) |
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| 14:34.31 | [AdN] | I need help : with my graphic card 945GME (intel) I don't have GL_ARB_half_float_vertex enable. what i must do ? ty |
| 14:35.09 | tremon | oh wait, that's not entirely true. I'm running a 3.16 kernel because the 3.14 in testing causes a reboot loop because of faulty power management |
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| 14:37.44 | tremon | [AdN]: that extension is not listed in https://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/opengl-extensions-supported-in-intel-4-series-express-chipsets-and-beyond/ |
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| 14:42.41 | [AdN] | tremo, So nothing to do. I'll try to work around this problem on the application that needs it. Thank You for help :) |
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| 14:45.11 | tremon | [AdN]: better ask in #dri to be sure. That list may not be comprehensive or current, or may not apply to the 945 series |
| 14:47.13 | [AdN] | ok I'll try |
| 14:47.21 | JyZyXEL | is there a handy tool i could use to compare new and old configuration files? |
| 14:47.27 | [AdN] | it'san old chipset .. |
| 14:47.39 | JyZyXEL | something that ignored line positions and just shows me the difference that matters |
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| 14:49.47 | blubberdiblub | JyZyXEL, as there are various formats and syntaxes, there's probably no general solution. you could try some tool that sorts/normalizes your particular config file format, if that exists |
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| 14:50.16 | JyZyXEL | well usually configs are line based |
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| 14:51.15 | blubberdiblub | JyZyXEL, well, yamls is line based, ini is line based, and they're still completely different ;) and there exist various ini syntaxes, too. some have sections, some don't, etc. |
| 14:51.58 | blubberdiblub | JyZyXEL, if it's a simple format without sections, just use "sort" ;) |
| 14:53.08 | blubberdiblub | JyZyXEL, in bash: "diff -U1 <( sort configfile1 ) <( sort configfile2 )" |
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| 14:53.47 | JyZyXEL | yeah sorting and doing a regular diff seems good |
| 14:54.03 | JyZyXEL | like vimdiff |
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| 15:00.41 | Sia- | what's wrong with this http://paste.debian.net/plain/122075 |
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| 15:12.51 | _4_non | hi, can i ask here for help? i installed chromium in wheezy and i'm trying to config flash. i enabled backports in /etc/apt/sources.list, but after apt-get install pepper flash plugin it always gives me: E: Unable to locate package pepperflashplugin-nonfree. what is my mistake? |
| 15:14.40 | petn-randall | _4_non: Did you enable non-free? |
| 15:14.47 | petn-randall | !tell _4_non about non-free |
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| 15:16.25 | _4_non | deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-updates main contrib non-free; deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy main contrib non-free; deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
| 15:17.04 | _4_non | I think it must be ok |
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| 15:19.04 | wcs | hi people |
| 15:19.27 | wcs | did somebody has some experience with strongswan? |
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| 15:27.45 | dgbaley | Hello. I am attempting to build simple meta package (with equivs) that depends on packages from another repository. Is it possible somehow, to add a repo, run apt-get update, and have all the deps installed in a single transaction? |
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| 15:31.33 | _4_non | i would like to know if my /etc/apt/sources.list is ok. I think it must be ok, then why i cant'find pepper flash plugin? |
| 15:31.56 | bazhang | for wheezy? |
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| 15:32.46 | _4_non | yes, in wheezy. |
| 15:33.04 | bazhang | check wheezy-backports |
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| 15:34.55 | _4_non | this is my /etc/apt/sources.list file: deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy main contrib non-free; deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-updates main contrib non-free; deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
| 15:35.42 | _4_non | is that ok? |
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| 15:36.20 | babilen | _4_non: IIRC pepperflashplugin doesn't work with the libc6 in wheezy, but give it a try. A sources.list such as http://paste.debian.net/122084/ would do nicely. |
| 15:36.49 | atomic_ | isnt there pepperflash in backports? |
| 15:37.12 | babilen | There is |
| 15:38.17 | atomic_ | _4_non: install from backports: add deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main, then do `apt-get update` and after that you can install `apt-get -t wheezy-backports install pepperflash` |
| 15:38.34 | atomic_ | its called pepperflashplugin-nonfree actually |
| 15:38.52 | atomic_ | btw. anyone else having trouble with jessie/systemd and suspend? |
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| 15:40.31 | redguy | hey, does default wheezy netinstall have serial console enabled by default? |
| 15:40.40 | babilen | atomic_: Not a single person on this planet has problems with that. |
| 15:40.55 | atomic_ | babilen: sarcasm? :D |
| 15:41.04 | babilen | ... a little?! |
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| 15:41.40 | babilen | atomic_: Might want to ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for testing/unstable support. Debugging that is, however, typically a bit trickier than other issues. |
| 15:41.56 | atomic_ | babilen: i think i move back to wheezy then :D |
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| 15:42.11 | atomic_ | and i'll give it a try, thanks |
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| 15:43.58 | bobczanki | Guys I've got a question about compiling linux's kernel |
| 15:44.21 | bobczanki | How can i check if my motherboard's bus system is PCI? |
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| 15:46.08 | babilen | bobczanki: Did you buy it in this century? |
| 15:46.21 | bobczanki | yup :) |
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| 15:46.55 | babilen | You would have PCI then :) What exactly are you trying to achieve or struggling with? |
| 15:48.54 | babilen | Well, it might also be PCIe, but it is quite unlikely that you have, say, an ISA or VESA bus. |
| 15:49.32 | bobczanki | I don't know if i need to check PCI support in kernel configuration |
| 15:49.44 | babilen | Why are you compiling a kernel in the first place? |
| 15:49.53 | babilen | (and yes, you definitely want pci support) |
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| 15:50.12 | bobczanki | What do you mean: in the first place? |
| 15:50.47 | babilen | What made you think "Today is a good day to compile a kernel because it allows me to do $SOMETHING" ? |
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| 15:51.25 | bobczanki | I think it allows me to make my linux working faster and turn on faster |
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| 15:51.45 | babilen | How so? |
| 15:51.54 | Blokker | speed advantage on any modern system would be minimal at best |
| 15:52.10 | dokma | having issues with pepperflash... it's playing videos too fast and without sound in all browsers I tried FF, Chrome, Chromium |
| 15:52.15 | dokma | anyone had this? |
| 15:52.23 | babilen | wfm |
| 15:52.29 | babilen | dokma: On wheezy? |
| 15:52.33 | dokma | I've been messing with pulseaudio yesterday and today I tried a 64 bit kernel |
| 15:52.34 | dokma | yes |
| 15:52.53 | Dan39 | hello, i am working on friends laptop that is dual boot win7/debian. how can i tell how the bootloader is setup? it seems to boot straight into debian's grub 1.99. there is 2 HDDs, sda with windows stuff and sdb with debian. what seems odd is that sda1, which looks like the windows bootloader, is the only partition marked boot |
| 15:52.59 | dokma | I removed pulseaudio and rebooted into 32 bit kernel |
| 15:53.04 | Blokker | last time i had that was because i was running within a vbox and had an execution cap |
| 15:53.09 | bobczanki | For example i can change used processor architecture i think it gives something then |
| 15:53.09 | dokma | but the issue remains no matter what I do |
| 15:53.10 | tremon | dokma: your pulseaudio may be defaulting to the NULL output. This causes weird issues with gstreamer |
| 15:53.18 | Dan39 | so how is it booting striahgt into grub...? |
| 15:53.31 | dokma | tremon, I removed pulseaudio and back to alsa now |
| 15:53.39 | dokma | audio works with mp3s in xine |
| 15:53.53 | Blokker | dan39, grub installed itself in the mbr and loads the rest of itself from the propper drive |
| 15:54.21 | babilen | bobczanki: Are you not using an amd64 kernel already? But seriously: There is little reason for compiling a kernel yourself these days. But feel free to do so. Applicable documentation would be the kernel handbook: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 15:54.40 | Blokker | however, the debian installer usually detects a present win7 install and adds it to the options to start from grub |
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| 15:54.45 | Dan39 | do you know off hand command to backup mbr? if not i will just go google, ive done that before i think |
| 15:54.59 | Dan39 | and possibly view it.. tho not sure that will help hehe |
| 15:55.24 | Blokker | you wanna view the mbr ... |
| 15:55.28 | tremon | Dan39: dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 | xxd will hexdump the mbr |
| 15:55.30 | bobczanki | babilen I use amd64 kernel of course but i want some practise with linux |
| 15:56.05 | babilen | bobczanki: Sure. That is a sensible reason for compiling a kernel. I would, however, not expect too much. Read chapter 4 in the kernel handbook (common tasks) and have fun! |
| 15:56.25 | bobczanki | babilen Okay Thanks for help :) |
| 15:57.30 | Dan39 | tremon: found another nice way. the file command on a backup of the mbr works nicely |
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| 16:00.15 | Dan39 | hmm my file command is not showing much info like how this tutorial does... grrr |
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| 16:03.19 | _4_non | atomic: ok, I added this repo and I could install it.deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports main contrib non-free |
| 16:03.24 | dokma | the thing is it's not just audio. flash is playing videos like 2x faster than normal |
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| 16:04.28 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 16:05.35 | Posterdati | I cannot localize iceweasel: I installed iceweasel and iceweasel-l10n-it, but still english :( |
| 16:06.38 | petn-randall | Posterdati: It won't change unless your locale is also it. |
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| 16:14.01 | Posterdati | petn-randall: locale in kde session is ok |
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| 16:21.27 | Dan39 | Blokker: do you know how i install new grub making sure it does the same thing? :) |
| 16:21.45 | sebastianlutter | I want to export alsa sound via network, and play the sound on another box with pulseaudio. How can this be done? (have no idea by myself) |
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| 16:34.46 | tharkun | sebastianlutter: Take a look at vlc IIRC it does it out of the box. |
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| 16:35.48 | tharkun | Good $DATE What debian supported virtualization option is best if I need to run several VM with different versions of Windows on them? |
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| 16:40.04 | punkgeek | ListenAddress 192.168.1.2, 192.168.1.3 is it true in sshd_config ? |
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| 16:41.41 | jelly-home | punkgeek: if you read sshd_config, you'll see it says "Multiple ListenAddress options are permitted." but nowhere does it say comma-separated addresses or hosts are allowed |
| 16:41.55 | jelly-home | man sshd_config, that is |
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| 16:44.02 | bazhang | punkgeek, is this for debian? |
| 16:44.28 | punkgeek | y |
| 16:44.41 | bazhang | yes? or why |
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| 17:04.23 | ^[^_^]^ | Un Saluto A Tutti Di #debian -> mIRC Explorer by PaMeLab <- |
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| 17:08.04 | mdim | Hi all! Does anyone use Evolution for emailing? I'm having some issues with signing emails with PGP, while it used to work on in other email clients |
| 17:08.08 | asarch | How can I display Thai characters? |
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| 17:08.38 | asarch | Can I use this procedure?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Multilingual_support_(East_Asian) |
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| 17:12.28 | TomFool | asarch: the fonts-sipa-arundina contains Thai fonts if all you need is to read. |
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| 17:23.03 | sebastianlutter | tharkun, problem is: I use XBMC as mediacenter (openelec) and it has its own video player. So I cannot use vlc for playback, I need to get the audio on alsa level. |
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| 17:26.05 | tharkun | sebastianlutter: Sorry I though you were using Debian. Guess you need to ask there for precise information, since the tools available might vary a lot. |
| 17:27.06 | TomFool | I only have xfonts-intl-asian installed and can see Thai web pages. And the popular fonts like DejaVu |
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| 17:30.19 | TomFool | hmm.. I can't access wiki.debian.org |
| 17:30.54 | TomFool | might be because of this proxy |
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| 17:34.02 | asarch | Thank you TomFool |
| 17:34.08 | asarch | Thank you very much :-) |
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| 17:38.12 | sebastianlutter | tharkun, openelec is a raspian, so it is a debian on arm. Openelec runs no X server, instead it runs XBMC. XBMC itself does not provide pulseaudio support. So I need a way to fetch the audio with alsa on bash, then maybe transport the stream via ssh and playback it there (i.e. pipe to aplay). But I have no idea yet how to fetch the audio at bash/alsa level. |
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| 17:42.44 | TomFool | sebastianlutter: cat /dev/snd/pcmC0D0c |
| 17:43.02 | TomFool | but maybe that's a bit too simple |
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| 17:43.49 | sebastianlutter | TomFool, hmm, worth a try |
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| 17:44.28 | user1 | hi guys |
| 17:44.52 | TomFool | well the input counterpart to aplay is arecord. They're the same binary, in fact. |
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| 17:47.02 | hooligan132 | i put wheezy on a ssd and boy it starts up like a rocket! 3 or less seconds from grub |
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| 17:48.14 | nhnbm | gay |
| 17:48.20 | mrdeb | i have weird issues |
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| 17:53.36 | Alex-Musicman | hey.. somebody is having flashplayer issues on Google Chrome blowser too on Debian Wheezy 64 bit? |
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| 17:54.39 | Alex-Musicman | my last version is crashing flash player |
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| 18:33.19 | anon1 | Apache2 not loading php |
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| 18:34.45 | yots | Hi, I made a stupid mistake and used debootstrap on a remote server, installed openssh-server, then rebooted into it, but I forgot to create users. Does it create any by default? |
| 18:35.10 | anon1 | default root user |
| 18:35.31 | yots | but does it have a default password? |
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| 18:36.15 | anon1 | The best thing is contacting your server provider |
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| 18:36.38 | yots | ah. I guess that's what I needed to know. |
| 18:36.42 | yots | thanks |
| 18:36.44 | anon1 | Yeah |
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| 18:37.05 | anon1 | Your welcom |
| 18:37.30 | anon1 | Tell them to reinstall the OS |
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| 18:39.47 | anon1 | Apache not loading php files help please |
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| 18:41.16 | deia | where can i get complete source code of debian ? |
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| 18:42.09 | anon1 | debian.org |
| 18:42.22 | anon1 | Deia debian.org |
| 18:42.44 | blubberdiblub | anon1, that's not sufficient information. what does it do? any error messages? what did you try to get it working? |
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| 18:44.02 | deia | Yeah .thanks |
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| 18:45.11 | deia | Sir anon1 do u have ur own distro? |
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| 19:04.36 | anon1 | How to install ebox on debian |
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| 19:08.27 | lnxslck | anon1, what's ebox? |
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| 19:09.41 | anon1 | Lnxslck I mean ebox of Zentyal |
| 19:10.06 | mtn | clear as mud |
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| 19:11.12 | lnxslck | anon1, no idea what that is |
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| 19:13.21 | anon1 | lnxslck my web server is not loading php pages |
| 19:13.36 | mtn | !ask |
| 19:13.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 19:14.47 | lnxslck | anon1, you have to see your php configuration on your apache or whatever |
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| 19:21.29 | BlueBaron | Hello guys. So yeah, I have an old desktop PC that I don't wish to throw away. It has 1GB of RAM, old Intel celeron 1.7GHz with a single core and ATI Radeon 9250. (CPU is the only drawback) - It runs XP fairly well but I wanted to change the OS. Maybe it will run better under Linux. From what I heard, Debian based distros are way faster than Ubuntu |
| 19:21.30 | BlueBaron | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:23.32 | esing | I want to install debian on virtual machines for testing purposes. Should I install debian in efi mode or does it not matter? I can't think of any advantages for the necessity of EFI. |
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| 19:25.40 | mtn | BlueBaron: why not debian? |
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| 19:26.43 | mtn | esing: what virtual machine supports efi? |
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| 19:28.34 | userf | what can be reason of empty cursor in xterm? http://tinyurl.com/q5jv5dn |
| 19:29.30 | esing | mtn: Hm, I installed earlier debian with virtualbox in efi mode |
| 19:29.43 | esing | mtn: So I assumed that kvm/qemu can do this too |
| 19:30.00 | esing | At least I see efi in qemu-system-... manual listed |
| 19:30.32 | mtn | esing: interesting. I never noticed the option. |
| 19:31.22 | esing | Not sure if this works: qemu-system-x86_64 -h | grep efi -smbios type=0[,vendor=str][,version=str][,date=str][,release=%d.%d][,uefi=on|off] |
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| 19:35.17 | CME | mtn, esing, atleast on sid: apt-get install ovmf and qemu-system-x86_64 -bios /usr/share/ovmf/OVMF.fd or build ovmf yourself |
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| 19:39.13 | esing | Good to know, thanks. So using the shipped -smbios uefi=on switch won't be enough. I'd then also need ovmf bios |
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| 19:51.28 | lenswipe | hi guys |
| 19:51.29 | halina | I cant manage to use the '+' register to paste to shell the text copied inside vim |
| 19:51.45 | lenswipe | got a problem with pepper flash in chome on debian |
| 19:51.56 | lenswipe | it seems to crash instantly |
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| 19:52.07 | lenswipe | anyone know how to fix this? |
| 19:52.13 | mtn | lenswipe: hope you mean crhomium |
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| 19:55.57 | lenswipe | mtn, no, i mean chrome |
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| 19:56.24 | mtn | lenswipe: debian has chromium in the repos. try using that or ask google about chrome |
| 19:56.55 | lenswipe | well if i install chromium just now and its broken in there too, will you help me? |
| 19:57.15 | mtn | lenswipe: we can always try ;) |
| 19:57.39 | lenswipe | ok |
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| 19:59.05 | mtn | lenswipe: which version of debian? |
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| 19:59.27 | lenswipe | wheezy |
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| 19:59.52 | mtn | lenswipe: I think you will need to get pepperflash plugin from backports |
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| 20:01.42 | lenswipe | mt, still broken, just slightly differently |
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| 20:03.05 | mtn | lenswipe: how does this work and which version does it say?: http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ |
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| 20:05.05 | lenswipe | mtn, it shows nothing |
| 20:05.17 | mtn | lenswipe: then you don't have pepperflash installed |
| 20:05.22 | lenswipe | as well as a yellow bar at the top saying that adobe flash player is required to view some elements on the page |
| 20:05.30 | lenswipe | mtn, well my normal chrome install seems to think that i do |
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| 20:05.53 | mtn | lenswipe: chromium and chrome are not the same. I already told you to get the pepperflash plugin from backports |
| 20:05.58 | lenswipe | right. |
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| 20:06.39 | lenswipe | mtn, normal chrome just says that flash player crashed as soon as any page with flash content on it loads, chromium says that flash is not installed |
| 20:07.19 | lenswipe | this is all since chrome on my phone updated to the new one with material design and i needed to update chrome on my computer so that i could still use remote web inspector |
| 20:07.32 | lenswipe | im wondering if updating chrome took out pepper flash or corrupted it somehow |
| 20:07.37 | lenswipe | do you think that's likely? |
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| 20:10.55 | lenswipe | mtn, and waddya know |
| 20:11.04 | lenswipe | the plugin isn't showing up in chromium or chrome |
| 20:11.07 | lenswipe | ...for some weird reason |
| 20:11.15 | lenswipe | fsck flash |
| 20:11.16 | lenswipe | seriously. |
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| 20:12.15 | lenswipe | mtn, any other ideas? |
| 20:12.38 | mtn | lenswipe: well, did you install pepperflash from backports? |
| 20:12.46 | lenswipe | yep |
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| 20:13.02 | mtn | lenswipe: restart chromium and try the flash site again. |
| 20:13.25 | lenswipe | mtn, http://imgur.com/xkuUoVO |
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| 20:14.15 | lenswipe | mtn, http://imgur.com/4ZrpJL0 |
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| 20:15.40 | mtn | lenswipe: try removing the chromium folder in .config and start chromium and try again |
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| 20:16.05 | lenswipe | oaky |
| 20:17.24 | lenswipe | mtn, nope, still broken |
| 20:17.32 | lenswipe | "You need to install flash player to view this content" |
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| 20:17.51 | mtn | lenswipe: sorry, no idea. has always worked for me. how does iceweasel work with flash? |
| 20:18.28 | lenswipe | nope |
| 20:18.33 | lenswipe | but then I'm not sure it ever did |
| 20:18.42 | lenswipe | I never really bothered with ice-weasel |
| 20:19.15 | mtn | lenswipe: well, it is the default browser and an excellent one |
| 20:19.26 | lenswipe | I respectfully disagree....however. |
| 20:19.33 | lenswipe | but that's just my opinion |
| 20:19.53 | mtn | lenswipe: I don't care if you disagree ;) |
| 20:20.03 | lenswipe | k |
| 20:20.27 | lenswipe | ...interestingly .config/google-chrome/PepperFlash is empty |
| 20:20.32 | lenswipe | not sure if that's related or not... |
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| 20:21.05 | lenswipe | im gonna nuke those google chrome folders |
| 20:21.07 | lenswipe | and the chromium folder |
| 20:21.10 | lenswipe | let's see what happens |
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| 20:22.13 | mtn | lenswipe: thought you said you already did that |
| 20:23.16 | lenswipe | i deleted the chromium one |
| 20:23.19 | lenswipe | not the google-chrome one though |
| 20:23.28 | lenswipe | well that cleared my chrome settings (as i expected) |
| 20:23.32 | mtn | lenswipe: ok, maybe removing both will help. |
| 20:23.35 | lenswipe | ...however flash player is still a bit fucked |
| 20:23.44 | mtn | a bit? |
| 20:23.50 | lenswipe | mtn, well okay, a lot fucked |
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| 20:24.01 | lenswipe | it's always been a bit fucked |
| 20:24.03 | lenswipe | even when it worked |
| 20:24.08 | lenswipe | just because it's flash |
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| 20:24.17 | mtn | lenswipe: ought to use iceweasel then :P |
| 20:24.47 | mkonecny | Anyone having trouble having Kernel 3.14 show up in their grub boot-up menu in Jessie? Have this version installed and visible under /boot, but I can't select it during startup |
| 20:25.00 | lenswipe | mtn, right, because that fixes the internet-wide problem of people using flash |
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| 20:25.47 | mtn | mkonecny: is there an entry below the debian entry that you can click on? extra kernels should be there. |
| 20:26.04 | lenswipe | mtn, plus, you assume that flash player is fixed in iceweasel |
| 20:26.23 | lenswipe | ...it doesn't look very fixed to me: http://imgur.com/4dwbG1z |
| 20:26.34 | mtn | lenswipe: let's put it this way: iceweasel/firefox works fine for millions of folks |
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| 20:26.50 | lenswipe | mtn, peanut butter works fine for millions of folks too |
| 20:26.54 | lenswipe | ...except those with allergies |
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| 20:32.34 | ololorin | hello. i tried to install jessie beta 1 today to my laptop. so i used unetbootin to create a booting usb and downloaded the first dvd iso for amd64 processor architecture from the official site. the installation process went ok, but after it was completed, i tried to load the system from grub. when i try to boot it, it says "error: failure reading sector 0xd9908 from `hd0'." I tried to reinstall the system, but the result was the same, ex |
| 20:32.56 | ololorin | *same |
| 20:33.15 | mtn | ololorin: two mistakes. the testing installer is for testing the installer and don't use unetbootin to make usbs for debian |
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| 20:33.51 | mkonecny | mtn, I've scrolled through the advanced sub-menu, and see kernels 3.13 all the way down to 3.2. I've scrolled to the bottom of the list and appear to be at the end of it |
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| 20:34.16 | mtn | mkonecny: sure it got installed? |
| 20:34.34 | mtn | !tell ololorin about testing |
| 20:34.52 | mtn | !tell ololorin about unetbootin |
| 20:35.32 | mkonecny | mtn, /boot/config-3.14-2-amd64 exists - I don't see a 3.14 entry in /boot/grub/grub.cfg though |
| 20:35.41 | mtn | mkonecny: odd |
| 20:35.56 | ololorin | thanks for the links. |
| 20:35.59 | mkonecny | mtn, and I'm not sure how to regenerate the cfg file - update-grub appears to be missing in jessie? |
| 20:36.52 | mtn | mkonecny: it shouldn't be missing. what happens when you run the command? |
| 20:38.33 | mkonecny | mtn, as root, it says command not found |
| 20:38.44 | mtn | mkonecny: odd, works fine on my jessie |
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| 20:40.22 | mkonecny | mtn, ok that's one lead then - I figured it had been removed this release. Seems I can get it in packages grub-coreboot or grub-pc - thoughts? |
| 20:41.57 | mkonecny | mtn, ok nevermind, I don't have a coreboot bios - I have thinkpad t410 - so I guess grub-pc is the one for me |
| 20:42.56 | mtn | mkonecny: https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=update-grub&mode=path&suite=testing&arch=any |
| 20:44.26 | mkonecny | mtn, ok update-grub worked, and I can see it now in my cfg file. Thanks! |
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| 20:51.38 | fuiiinhaaa | hello, is it possible to redirect the output of python -i to a file, the output, the stdin and stderr, so when i quit the intrerpreter i have a file with |
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| 20:51.43 | fuiiinhaaa | >> print 'hello' |
| 20:51.46 | fuiiinhaaa | >> hello |
| 20:51.49 | fuiiinhaaa | >> quit() |
| 20:51.50 | fuiiinhaaa | ? |
| 20:52.03 | Dizzy8778 | print 'Oh hello there!' |
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| 20:54.00 | slurpymcdurpy | python -i >> hellothere.txt |
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| 20:57.07 | slurpymcdurpy | Oh |
| 20:57.10 | slurpymcdurpy | wait no that'll . . . |
| 20:57.13 | slurpymcdurpy | that wasn't your question |
| 20:57.55 | slurpymcdurpy | Personally, to accomplish what you want to accomplish, I would probably type "vim hellothere.py" at the console at first. |
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| 20:58.43 | slurpymcdurpy | sooo . . . I meant to say "I don't know how to do that, Fuiinhaaa" |
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| 21:00.28 | buu | Is there anyway to tell when a debian package in a repo was actually built? |
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| 21:04.55 | tremon | buu: https://buildd.debian.org/status/ |
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| 21:05.05 | dondelelcaro | buu: yes; the files in the deb package will have the date of when they were built |
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| 21:05.28 | dondelelcaro | though that won't be of much use once you unpack them |
| 21:05.44 | fuiiinhaaa | okay. |
| 21:05.47 | fuiiinhaaa | so i'm hopeless. |
| 21:06.00 | buu | dondelelcaro: oh |
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| 21:06.04 | buu | ... |
| 21:06.22 | slurpymcdurpy | no |
| 21:07.13 | tremon | fuiiinhaaa: you can do that with script |
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| 21:07.57 | slurpymcdurpy | I"m sure there's a way |
| 21:08.04 | slurpymcdurpy | what you're asking for would be too useful for there to not be a way to do it. |
| 21:08.07 | buu | dondelelcaro: I'm trying to figure out which version of libdvdread I have. The apt-cache show claims 5.0.1 but the NEW file for that package claims 5.0.0 |
| 21:08.13 | buu | *NEWS |
| 21:08.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | reportbug failed to send mail and I told it to quit, can I resume that message? |
| 21:09.07 | slurpymcdurpy | There's def. a way with the gui interpreter |
| 21:09.13 | slurpymcdurpy | there's a little button that does that. |
| 21:09.14 | buu | Oh, I think I see |
| 21:09.32 | buu | Debian says 5.0.0-1 |
| 21:10.25 | fuiiinhaaa | slurpymcdurpy true. |
| 21:10.38 | slurpymcdurpy | idle |
| 21:10.40 | fuiiinhaaa | i'm trying to deduce a way. |
| 21:10.56 | slurpymcdurpy | you could have the code print itself. |
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| 21:11.08 | slurpymcdurpy | which is . . . kind of funny and a tad redundant |
| 21:11.12 | tremon | Eduard_Munteanu: iirc, the mail message has been saved in /tmp or in ~; you can't restart reportbug with it, but you can edit it manually and submit it via your standard mailer |
| 21:12.31 | dondelelcaro | buu: oh. the NEWS file is often wrong |
| 21:12.39 | dondelelcaro | buu: or at least, often behind the times |
| 21:12.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | Thanks. |
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| 21:14.07 | Eduard_Munteanu | I suspect I'm better off composing a report by mail anyway, it's a feature request against no package. |
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| 21:25.51 | Alex-Musicman | hey.. somebody is having flashplayer crash issues in the lastest Google Chrome blowser version too on Debian Wheezy amd64? |
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| 21:26.11 | buu | dondelelcaro: Um. How do I apply debian style .patch files? patch < foo.patch; is giving me "can't find file garbage at header" |
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| 21:27.24 | kristopolous | upon a recommendation i added testing to my installation of wheezy in the sources.list ... then i did an apt-get upgrade and a dist-update and now everytihng is really really broken |
| 21:27.54 | kristopolous | i get errors about me having held broken packages, unmet dependencies, notifications that things aren't going to be installed |
| 21:27.58 | kristopolous | it's a total loss |
| 21:28.33 | centrx | What does your sources.list look like? |
| 21:28.44 | dondelelcaro | buu: which style patch files? |
| 21:28.52 | kristopolous | http://paste.debian.net/122154/ |
| 21:30.19 | buu | dondelelcaro: Well, this is the file: http://pastebin.com/5ZWcQD9i but patch -p1 worked |
| 21:30.24 | kristopolous | also numerous other things like the XF86MonBrightnessDown key is no longer brining my xf86 monitor brightness down |
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| 21:30.52 | buu | dondelelcaro: I guess it thought a/src/dvd_udf.c was the file name? I'm still kind of confused |
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| 21:30.52 | kristopolous | and i can patch around this with various scripts ... sure ... but it's silly that i have to do this |
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| 21:31.36 | dondelelcaro | buu: yeah, you need -p1 |
| 21:32.32 | kristopolous | ok some more details ... i have no held packages, i've done -f install, i've cleared the cache, i've done the update/upgrade cycle |
| 21:32.35 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: once you've done that, you're basically on your way to upgrading to testing |
| 21:32.48 | kristopolous | i'm sorry, -p1? |
| 21:32.50 | buu | dondelelcaro: But.. why? Isn't the file name specified above that line? |
| 21:33.00 | dondelelcaro | buu: yes, but you need to strip the first leading directory |
| 21:33.05 | buu | dondelelcaro: the a/ part? |
| 21:33.09 | dondelelcaro | buu: right |
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| 21:33.28 | dondelelcaro | -p1 is pretty typical for patches |
| 21:33.30 | buu | dondelelcaro: Ok. I thought src/dvd_udf.c | 37 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--- |
| 21:33.35 | buu | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.36 | dondelelcaro | but it could literally be anything |
| 21:33.43 | buu | ok |
| 21:33.55 | dondelelcaro | buu: nah, that's just an informative header |
| 21:34.08 | kristopolous | i mean it's about 100 times easier for me to just git pull eveyrhting and ./configure && make like it's 1994 again at this point |
| 21:34.10 | dondelelcaro | buu: as far as patch is concerned, the filename is --- a/src/dvd_udf.c and +++ b/src/dvd_udf.c |
| 21:34.31 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: do you want to run testing? Or what? |
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| 21:34.45 | kristopolous | i want modern software that's not 5 years old |
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| 21:34.57 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: uh.. wheezy is only 18 months old... but OK. |
| 21:35.04 | kristopolous | like a version of wkhtmltopdf that's not from 2009 |
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| 21:35.36 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: there's the version in wheezy, and there's also one in wheezy-backports which appears to be current |
| 21:35.39 | kristopolous | right, but the reason I did this was because I had encountered many many bugs with packages that wheezy had |
| 21:35.40 | dondelelcaro | ,versions wkhtmltopdf |
| 21:35.41 | judd | Package: wkhtmltopdf on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.9-1; wheezy: 0.9.9-4; wheezy-backports: 0.12.0-2~bpo70+1; sid: 0.12.1-1; jessie: 0.12.1-1 |
| 21:35.55 | kristopolous | right, 0.9 has issues |
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| 21:36.08 | kristopolous | but that's the most recent one |
| 21:36.16 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: in wheezy, but not wheezy-backports |
| 21:36.27 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: 0.12.0-2~bpo70+1 is the most recent one in wheezy-backports |
| 21:36.32 | kristopolous | so backports is for future? |
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| 21:36.43 | kristopolous | what a confusing convention |
| 21:36.46 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: backports is for specific versions of newer packages which are compiled against wheezy. |
| 21:36.55 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: they're backported to work with wheezy |
| 21:37.03 | dondelelcaro | thus, wheezy backports. |
| 21:37.04 | kristopolous | alright, that was totally non-obvious, sorry |
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| 21:37.13 | kristopolous | ok that sounds more appropriate |
| 21:37.26 | kristopolous | because i don't have the time to debug my operating system to be honest |
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| 21:37.40 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: anyway, the question still stands: do you want to run testing? or stable? |
| 21:37.42 | kristopolous | so what's your recommendation since i've already taken the steps I did? |
| 21:37.58 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: first I need to know what you want to do, then I can recommend how to get there |
| 21:37.59 | kristopolous | maybe you can recommend one? |
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| 21:38.28 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: it really depends on what you're doing with this machine and how much time you've invested in it |
| 21:38.34 | kristopolous | I mean again, I want acpi to reliably work, my keys to do what I think they should, and the system to work basically without a lot of sysadmin work on my part |
| 21:38.44 | kristopolous | i use it every day |
| 21:39.06 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: are you OK with new breakage appearing? Or would you rather have old breakage that you know how to work around? |
| 21:39.14 | kristopolous | but i have a lot of projects on my plate ... so time i spend on configuring my laptop I have to make up by losing sleep |
| 21:39.34 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: I'd personally suggest staying with stable then, if it was working at all for you |
| 21:39.35 | kristopolous | that's an interesting question |
| 21:39.55 | kristopolous | wheezy + backports sounds like the right idea |
| 21:40.08 | kristopolous | can I get *back* to there after I've done this though? |
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| 21:40.25 | dondelelcaro | yes, you can; it's just more difficult |
| 21:40.37 | dondelelcaro | whoever told you to add the testing line didn't know what they were doing, though |
| 21:40.40 | kristopolous | that's not a word I like to hear |
| 21:40.50 | deepblue | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.how to fix this? |
| 21:40.51 | kristopolous | man, he's a debian port maintainer |
| 21:41.02 | kristopolous | I thought I could trust him *eyes dash* |
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| 21:41.27 | dondelelcaro | or perhaps they didn't think that running testing was a big deal |
| 21:41.45 | kristopolous | I've known the guy for 5 years but yes |
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| 21:42.12 | kristopolous | he does seem to think that 4 hours working on his distro every day is *ahem, normal* |
| 21:42.27 | dondelelcaro | yeah, no one has time for that |
| 21:42.43 | kristopolous | agreed. i love this stuff and all, i just only have 24 hours to do shit |
| 21:42.55 | kristopolous | anyway, so i'm in a stuck position and i have a busy schedule |
| 21:43.03 | kristopolous | i need to leave town in like 5 hours |
| 21:43.06 | kristopolous | what's your recommendation? |
| 21:43.11 | kristopolous | i know this all sounds shitty |
| 21:43.29 | kristopolous | i can just leave things as is and vnc what i don't have |
| 21:43.46 | deepblue | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.how to fix this? |
| 21:44.01 | kristopolous | deepblue: that's not specific enough |
| 21:44.09 | dondelelcaro | deepblue: provide the full output from what you're doing. |
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| 21:44.22 | kristopolous | deepblue: you need to say what you did to get there ... go from when the system was working to when it wasn't. what were the major things you did/ |
| 21:44.48 | kristopolous | here, see i can even help a bit |
| 21:44.48 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: ok, fairly quickly: edit /etc/apt/preferences and add appropriate pinning lines |
| 21:45.05 | kristopolous | i'm sorry, i don't know what that means |
| 21:45.28 | kristopolous | i have a preferences.d directory |
| 21:45.32 | kristopolous | it is empty |
| 21:46.08 | kristopolous | i've found this: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
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| 21:46.16 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: pinning downgrade is <reply> If you want to do a pinning downgrade, edit /etc/apt/preferences, and add Package: *\nPin: release a=wheezy\nPin-Priority: 1001\n\nPackage: *\nPin: release a=jessie\nPin-Priority: 60 |
| 21:46.16 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 21:46.27 | multi_io | is snapshot.debian.org sluggish? |
| 21:46.28 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: follow the instructions above, and then run apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; |
| 21:46.44 | multi_io | it's giving me ~60 K/s currently. |
| 21:46.49 | kristopolous | oh man um ... that has \n's and a few other things |
| 21:46.49 | deepblue | kristopolous, here, http://paste.debian.net/122156/ |
| 21:47.17 | kristopolous | lol that sucks |
| 21:47.22 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: yeah, mainly because it's hard to do multiline instructions via IRC. |
| 21:47.55 | kristopolous | i don't know the answer deepblue, and i'm not going to recommend magical incantations that I don't know for a fact will work |
| 21:48.02 | dondelelcaro | deepblue: that's Mint. You'll need to get support in their channel |
| 21:48.03 | dondelelcaro | !mint |
| 21:48.03 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 21:48.45 | deepblue | not mint.it;s wheezy 7 |
| 21:49.00 | dondelelcaro | deepblue: uh... not with that sources.list it isn't |
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| 21:49.21 | kristopolous | lol, this isn't useful |
| 21:49.23 | dondelelcaro | it might have started out as wheezy, but that's not what it is now. |
| 21:49.30 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: ? |
| 21:49.36 | kristopolous | look deepblue ... have you google'd this? |
| 21:49.40 | kristopolous | there's some standard recommendations |
| 21:49.49 | kristopolous | have you tried those? |
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| 21:50.35 | deepblue | i just followed this, http://avedo.net/708/installing-debian-wheezy-with-cinnamon-desktop |
| 21:51.28 | kristopolous | ah well this looks similar to the problem i was running into to be honest |
| 21:51.52 | dondelelcaro | deepblue: yeah, that's not a very good article |
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| 21:52.16 | RedDeath | 1GGY 4Z4L34 |
| 21:52.29 | RedDeath | â¯â¯ÑÑ·ÑÑ·Ðѵѻѯ â°Ü¤ÖºÝÖ¼Ö«Ü° |
| 21:52.31 | kristopolous | huh? |
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| 21:53.11 | dondelelcaro | RedDeath: if a cat or something else has sat on your very odd keyboard, let someone know, and you can be unsilenced. |
| 21:53.31 | kristopolous | that was so 1998... brings back memories |
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| 21:53.50 | kristopolous | anyway ... so i put that stuff in that file as you requested |
| 21:53.52 | SynrG | the right way to support cinnamon on wheezy would be to backport it from jessie ... |
| 21:53.57 | dondelelcaro | right |
| 21:54.00 | SynrG | not sure that's going to happen, though |
| 21:54.09 | kristopolous | are you saying an apt-get update will fix my problem now? |
| 21:54.18 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: followed by a dist-upgrade |
| 21:54.23 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: it'll at least get you started |
| 21:54.34 | kristopolous | ouch. i can't do that tethered |
| 21:54.41 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: you might need to do some manual "no that's the wrong package" work too |
| 21:54.42 | kristopolous | alright let me see if there's some free wifi |
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| 21:54.48 | kristopolous | oh pleasant |
| 21:55.01 | kristopolous | lol there isn't |
| 21:55.01 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: well, you don't actually have to start the downgrade; you can at least see if it works |
| 21:55.15 | kristopolous | oh so this is a "downgrade" |
| 21:55.17 | kristopolous | that's fine |
| 21:55.23 | kristopolous | whatever words will make this work |
| 21:55.37 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: right; it's a basically an "upgrade" to a lower versioned package |
| 21:56.09 | kristopolous | alright well i'll run this command later |
| 21:56.19 | kristopolous | i don't have the appropriate bandwidth to complete that now |
| 21:56.26 | kristopolous | and i can't get to a place where i would for a bit |
| 21:56.26 | dondelelcaro | cool |
| 21:56.38 | dondelelcaro | hopefully someone here can help you with that if it doesn't "just work" |
| 21:56.41 | kristopolous | thanks for your recommendations |
| 21:56.46 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: no problem; good luck |
| 21:56.48 | kristopolous | oh, that would be brilliant |
| 21:57.05 | dondelelcaro | we don't really support it completely, but sometimes someone is willing to help anyway |
| 21:57.40 | kristopolous | yeah, i've been around the block a bit and can fix things here or there ... i just can't spend too much time on it |
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| 22:14.28 | kristopolous | ok i had to come back home ... this was really being unusable |
| 22:15.11 | kristopolous | now i can run that command and see what happens |
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| 22:16.44 | boudiccas | how can i install 'pip' please? i can't see it in the jessie repos |
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| 22:18.00 | kingsley | boudiccas: What is "pip"? |
| 22:18.15 | kristopolous | that's a python thing |
| 22:18.28 | kristopolous | i think it's through easyinstall |
| 22:18.41 | kristopolous | it's one of their package managers |
| 22:18.45 | kristopolous | it's totally un-debian related |
| 22:19.03 | kristopolous | no, it's just called pip |
| 22:19.05 | kristopolous | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pip |
| 22:20.02 | kingsley | kristopolous: Thank you. |
| 22:20.16 | kristopolous | it's like composer, npm, grunt, cpan, gem, pecl, vundle, pathogen, all those things... |
| 22:20.35 | kristopolous | best of luck |
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| 22:22.20 | kingsley | boudiccas: http://pip.readthedocs.org/en/latest/installing.html |
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| 22:22.39 | moha_hunt | @boudiccas, the package is python-pip |
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| 22:46.19 | kristopolous | ok so this pinning of packages seems to have not fixed things |
| 22:46.27 | kristopolous | this is such a mess |
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| 22:48.05 | kristopolous | dondelelcaro: are you still around? |
| 22:48.13 | Lolocafera | I'm really in a mess right now. I've been trying to work through online documentations and forum entries for HOURS, but I'm starting to feel lost in a labyrinth. |
| 22:48.32 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: yeah; if you paste the full output of apt-get dist-upgrade; I can probably help you |
| 22:48.41 | kristopolous | it went successfully |
| 22:48.50 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: ok |
| 22:48.50 | kristopolous | but then im trying to put virtualbox back on this thing |
| 22:49.16 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: ok. once you've done the downgrade remove the testing line from your sources.list and then you should be running wheezy |
| 22:49.21 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: you can also then remove the pinning stuff |
| 22:49.25 | kristopolous | http://pastebin.com/fg834DUb |
| 22:49.29 | kristopolous | that's what i get |
| 22:49.29 | kristopolous | ok |
| 22:49.32 | kristopolous | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.00 | Lolocafera | I just bought a laptop to FINALLY replace my current old, dying one, but turns out I can't find how to get the ethernet link nor the wifi to work. |
| 22:50.24 | kristopolous | lolocafera: have you used linux before? |
| 22:50.29 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: ok; that's an error from the init script |
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| 22:50.52 | Lolocafera | I've been a linux user for nearly eight years now. |
| 22:51.01 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: if you grep vboxdrv /etc/init.d/*; you should see two instances of that |
| 22:51.08 | kristopolous | ok sure so what does ifconfig -a tell you? |
| 22:51.16 | kristopolous | oh let me look |
| 22:51.33 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: most likely one of them was installed with a slightly different name from the upgrade, and because it wasn't purged, it is still there causing problems |
| 22:51.41 | kristopolous | there's 4 files there |
| 22:51.49 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: can you paste the output? |
| 22:51.50 | kristopolous | i tried the apt-get purge thing |
| 22:51.53 | kristopolous | sure |
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| 22:52.09 | dondelelcaro | Lolocafera: what's the output of ip link; cat /etc/network/interfaces; ? |
| 22:52.11 | kristopolous | http://pastebin.com/uuGjkRf3 |
| 22:52.38 | kristopolous | Lolocafera: also, what does a simple ifconfig -a show |
| 22:53.14 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: I actually need to see the grep output; you've most likely got duplicated Provides: lines in the init script |
| 22:53.25 | Lolocafera | dondelelcaro, oh, I actually edited that one according to a doc I found |
| 22:53.45 | kristopolous | oh i see |
| 22:53.47 | Lolocafera | kristopolous, it says "local loop" |
| 22:53.50 | kristopolous | your command was different |
| 22:53.57 | kristopolous | ok so you don't have the driver installed |
| 22:54.18 | kristopolous | do lspci | grep ther |
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| 22:54.30 | dondelelcaro | Lolocafera: so you don't see anything in the ip link; output besides localhost? Check dmesg. Most likely you're missing the firmware. |
| 22:54.31 | Lolocafera | I installed three different firmwares, but it didn't work. |
| 22:54.32 | kristopolous | you should get some line with "Ethernet controller" |
| 22:54.49 | kristopolous | oh so you've been down that path |
| 22:55.00 | kristopolous | hah well that's fun |
| 22:55.02 | dondelelcaro | Lolocafera: heh. You have to install the right firmware! ;-) |
| 22:55.23 | Lolocafera | I wasn't sure which one, the documentation was sybilline |
| 22:55.34 | kristopolous | can you pastebin the modinfo for the driver you are using? |
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| 22:56.10 | Lolocafera | https://wiki.debian.org/alx <= here's the only documentation I found mentioning 1969:E091 |
| 22:56.12 | kristopolous | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/0H4urMLG |
| 22:57.19 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: ok; try moving away /etc/init.d/vboxdrv to somewhere temporarily, and see if virtualbox will install |
| 22:57.29 | dondelelcaro | (I think that's the right file) |
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| 22:57.31 | kristopolous | sounds like surgery |
| 22:57.54 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: yeah, it's the sort of manual mucking that has to happen when you downgrade |
| 22:58.07 | dondelelcaro | most of it "just works", but there are some edge cases that have to be dealt with |
| 22:58.08 | kristopolous | well that magic seems to have worked |
| 22:58.15 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: cool |
| 22:58.20 | kristopolous | well yeah ... i mean it did install like 300 things |
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| 22:58.26 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: hopefully that was the right one, and virtualbox works now |
| 22:58.30 | Lolocafera | I'm starting to consider reinstalling afresh: I used a level 1 jigdo-generated image, it lacks all sorts of tools for wifi, even though the wifi I have is natively supported by the kernel |
| 22:58.32 | kristopolous | so a 2/300 fuckup rate is pretty good |
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| 22:59.56 | kristopolous | oh here's a general question ... i want something to be startable using service blah start |
| 22:59.57 | kristopolous | buuuut |
| 23:00.00 | kristopolous | not start on bootup |
| 23:00.07 | kristopolous | how do I make a package like this |
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| 23:00.20 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: update-rc.d disable blah; |
| 23:00.25 | kristopolous | i tried that! |
| 23:00.29 | kristopolous | still started |
| 23:00.39 | dondelelcaro | err, update-rc.d blah disable; rather |
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| 23:01.12 | kristopolous | i ended up just blowing it away from the /etc/rc.`runlevel` |
| 23:01.16 | kristopolous | directory |
| 23:01.22 | kristopolous | definitely not optimal |
| 23:01.24 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: what's the output of ls /etc/rc*.d/*blah; ? |
| 23:01.39 | kristopolous | oh this is not a current problem |
| 23:01.44 | kristopolous | sorry |
| 23:01.59 | kristopolous | it's a previous one that i took a hammer to |
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| 23:02.06 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: no worries; the disable will change them to K links, which should not start the service again |
| 23:02.13 | kristopolous | yeah you'd think |
| 23:02.40 | dondelelcaro | alternatively, something else might be starting the service |
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| 23:02.55 | dondelelcaro | but it's hard to say |
| 23:02.59 | kristopolous | has to be ... but what |
| 23:03.13 | dondelelcaro | (of course, this assumes you're running sysV; if it's upstart or systemd, things are much different) |
| 23:03.14 | kristopolous | i mean, level 2 boot is all in /etc/rc scripts right? |
| 23:03.21 | kristopolous | no no ... nothing new |
| 23:03.26 | kristopolous | very old school |
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| 23:03.32 | dondelelcaro | kristopolous: right, it's all there. |
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| 23:03.54 | Lolocafera | for a couple of hours I've been trying to install various tools in order to get the wifi to work, but with only a usb key to transfer packages from my old set to my new, one level of dependance at a time, becomes really tedious past the first hour. |
| 23:04.31 | kristopolous | this sounds terrible lolcafera |
| 23:04.36 | dondelelcaro | Lolocafera: your first issue is that it doesn't appear that your card is supported by the kernel that you're running |
| 23:04.52 | kristopolous | if you weren't in france i'd think about helping you in person |
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| 23:05.06 | mtn | Lolocafera: you could try booting the testing installer and see if it sees your network cards |
| 23:05.06 | kristopolous | do you have a usb wifi adapter? |
| 23:05.29 | Lolocafera | kristopolous, alas no |
| 23:05.40 | kristopolous | alright, do you have an android phone and a decent data plan? |
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| 23:05.58 | kristopolous | *serious question* |
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| 23:06.14 | kristopolous | or an android phone that can connect to wifi |
| 23:06.18 | Lolocafera | no, but I have an usb 3G domino with a limited plan |
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| 23:06.46 | dondelelcaro | Lolocafera: yeah, your best bet is to use the testing installer, or get a newer kernel from backports and install that |
| 23:06.48 | kristopolous | hrmm ... because some phones can do usb tethering |
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| 23:07.00 | kristopolous | there's a usbnet driver that's pretty easy to use |
| 23:07.05 | kristopolous | that can at least get you online |
| 23:07.10 | dondelelcaro | Lolocafera: if you examine the dmesg output, you'll probably see your card, and that it's not supported |
| 23:07.59 | Lolocafera | dondelelcaro, I know it's not supported. The wifi is, though, but I lack the tools |
| 23:08.17 | [AdN] | !ask |
| 23:08.18 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 23:08.20 | kristopolous | alright sure... |
| 23:08.32 | kristopolous | here's another option |
| 23:08.38 | kristopolous | do you have a reliable desktop? |
| 23:09.20 | dondelelcaro | Lolocafera: which wifi? if you don't see it in ip link; output, it's not there. |
| 23:09.29 | Lolocafera | both my old and new sets are laptops. Or did you mean the furniture? :) |
| 23:09.32 | dondelelcaro | (and by not there, I mean that the kernel doesn't know about it or lacks the driver) |
| 23:09.38 | kristopolous | i did this just the other week ... you can take a laptop hard drive, hook it up to a desktop, and then use virtualbox to boot it ... |
| 23:09.48 | kristopolous | then install what you need |
| 23:09.51 | DarkLinkXXXX | How can I print a unicode text file from the command line? |
| 23:10.01 | dondelelcaro | DarkLinkXXXX: cat foo.txt;... |
| 23:10.20 | DarkLinkXXXX | dondelelcaro, I mean, send to a printer, with cups. |
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| 23:10.23 | kristopolous | i mean, my assumption is that if you have a reliable network connection you can get this thing installed |
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| 23:10.42 | dondelelcaro | DarkLinkXXXX: a2ps foo.txt; or similar should do it |
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| 23:11.16 | DarkLinkXXXX | dondelelcaro, That doesn't support unicode, as neither does postscript, which is what it uses. |
| 23:11.18 | kristopolous | so you can virtualize the drive on another computer, you can tether with a mobile phone |
| 23:11.46 | kristopolous | you can also use a distributions live cd or usb drive and try to install it that way ... but that will be hard |
| 23:12.10 | dondelelcaro | DarkLinkXXXX: ah, right; I forgot about that |
| 23:12.20 | kristopolous | err it's not hrad ... it will be full of gotchas |
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| 23:12.32 | hht | hello, how to edit file in command line ? |
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| 23:12.44 | SynrG | nano filename |
| 23:12.50 | hht | thanks SynrG |
| 23:12.51 | Lolocafera | My wifi : 8086:08b3 |
| 23:12.51 | DarkLinkXXXX | hht, With ed. ;) |
| 23:13.08 | dondelelcaro | DarkLinkXXXX: emacs can do it, I know. |
| 23:13.13 | hht | and how to save file? |
| 23:13.20 | dondelelcaro | DarkLinkXXXX: and there's a u2ps, but it's not packaged. |
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| 23:13.27 | kristopolous | hht: look at the botom of the screen |
| 23:13.34 | kristopolous | the "^" means the control key |
| 23:13.37 | SynrG | hht: ^X to exit, which prompts you to save |
| 23:13.39 | kristopolous | press control followed by the letter |
| 23:13.41 | hht | oh ok |
| 23:13.45 | hht | thanks |
| 23:13.50 | dondelelcaro | DarkLinkXXXX: you may also be able to recode it using iconv, but that's probably not exactly what you want, either. |
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| 23:14.05 | hht | its says "Permission denied" |
| 23:14.12 | SynrG | you probably need to be root |
| 23:14.15 | kristopolous | ah, well exit and try again |
| 23:14.17 | SynrG | it's a config file in /etc? |
| 23:14.20 | kristopolous | but put "sudo" in front of it |
| 23:14.24 | Lolocafera | http://linux-wless.passys.nl/query_chipset.php?chipset=Intel <= 8086:08B3 is in the kernel tree |
| 23:14.24 | hht | yes its in etc |
| 23:14.44 | SynrG | yup. only superuser can edit that. so sudo nano filename (if you have sudo set up) |
| 23:14.50 | kristopolous | and i must say, that if you are asking for assistance at this level, be very very careful |
| 23:14.55 | hht | thanks with sudo it works |
| 23:15.19 | Lolocafera | hht, it also works to get a sandwich |
| 23:15.33 | Lolocafera | :) |
| 23:15.40 | DarkLinkXXXX | dondelelcaro, But⦠using a hammer to crack nut⦠|
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| 23:15.59 | dondelelcaro | DarkLinkXXXX: hey, it's 2014... emacs is only eight megs... ;-) |
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| 23:16.47 | DarkLinkXXXX | dondelelcaro, That's not what the analogy means. It'd be like using gimp to turn a tiff into a jpeg. |
| 23:16.50 | kristopolous | wait wait, are we still having an "emacs is bloated" convo |
| 23:17.09 | hht | how to copy text and paste in nano editor? |
| 23:17.17 | SynrG | no, i think we're having an "emacs is overengineered" conversation |
| 23:17.29 | kristopolous | hah, it's totally not |
| 23:17.35 | kristopolous | emacs is a great emacs |
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| 23:17.47 | kristopolous | there's nothing like it ... and if you need nothing like it |
| 23:17.48 | Lolocafera | I've found a deposit of non-free firmwares that I thought would work, but no luck http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/ |
| 23:17.48 | kristopolous | then don't use it |
| 23:17.53 | dune | Lolocafera: Have you tried iwlwifi package? https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 23:18.05 | dondelelcaro | Lolocafera: it should be firmware-iwlwifi or one of the other ones |
| 23:18.15 | Lolocafera | dune, give me the complete list of it's dependencies |
| 23:18.18 | SynrG | anyway, editor wars are boring. can we refrain, please? |
| 23:18.43 | dondelelcaro | SynrG: nah, we're just discussing ways of turning utf8 text into something that printers like. |
| 23:18.55 | kristopolous | hah, i don't use emacs though ... |
| 23:18.58 | dune | Lolocafera: there isnt any |
| 23:19.06 | Lolocafera | oh, cool |
| 23:19.13 | SynrG | watches Mork and Mindy instead |
| 23:20.18 | dune | Lolocafera: it's called firmware-iwlwifi and stands in non-free repositories |
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| 23:21.20 | Lolocafera | for more fun, my old laptop is dying on me. It's like trying to build a new ship while the old one is sinking. |
| 23:22.02 | kristopolous | dondelelcaro: i did all those things you said and my system is broken again |
| 23:22.14 | dune | Lolocafera: don't give up ;) |
| 23:22.19 | kristopolous | I think i just need to re-install the operating system |
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| 23:22.58 | Lolocafera | I have 0 bytes left on my / partition. No matter how many files I delete. |
| 23:23.38 | mtn | Lolocafera: so 0 + 1000 = 0? |
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| 23:24.50 | Lolocafera | mtn, something like that |
| 23:25.06 | kristopolous | Lolocafera: do a tune2fs -l /dev/sda1 and show me what the output is |
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| 23:25.07 | mtn | Lolocafera: must say it seems unlikely |
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| 23:25.48 | Lolocafera | kristopolous, on my old? |
| 23:25.56 | kristopolous | the thing with the problem |
| 23:25.58 | kristopolous | yeah |
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| 23:26.48 | Lolocafera | My main theory is that the hard drive is rotting |
| 23:27.17 | Lolocafera | should I pastebin that, kristopolous ? |
| 23:27.50 | kristopolous | that would be helpful |
| 23:28.14 | Lolocafera | http://pastebin.com/7nz2iTqk |
| 23:28.36 | Lolocafera | I realized my question was silly the moment I had pressed enter :) |
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| 23:29.57 | kristopolous | this claims you have space |
| 23:30.21 | kristopolous | about 1% |
| 23:30.33 | dune | :D |
| 23:30.43 | Lolocafera | maybe it's just Nautilus that went crazy, then |
| 23:31.02 | kristopolous | well some of the big culprits can be in /var |
| 23:31.12 | kristopolous | du -sk * | sort -n is the one I use |
| 23:31.43 | kristopolous | the other place things can get out of hand are the dot directories |
| 23:32.02 | kristopolous | du -sk ~/.[a-zA-Z0-9]* | sort -n |
| 23:32.13 | kristopolous | that one may take a bit |
| 23:32.14 | Lolocafera | someone had me do a du of some sorts earlier today |
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| 23:32.30 | kristopolous | hah well that wasn't me so do it agian |
| 23:32.33 | Lolocafera | http://pastebin.com/VzfF92t7 |
| 23:32.49 | kristopolous | that's on / |
| 23:32.58 | kristopolous | what do you have in /media |
| 23:33.02 | Lolocafera | yeah, I deliberately excluded /home |
| 23:33.02 | kristopolous | that looks like a lot of things |
| 23:33.13 | dune | Lolocafera: firmware-iwlwifi should work for you, it did for me |
| 23:33.22 | dune | Lolocafera: i have to go now, good luck! |
| 23:33.23 | kristopolous | perhaps you should cut back on the porno collection |
| 23:33.41 | dune | kristopolous: that was mean |
| 23:33.49 | centrx | du -x |sort -g |tail -100 |
| 23:33.56 | kristopolous | lol, not intended to be! |
| 23:34.14 | Lolocafera | nah, that one is on an external drive, and bits of it in /home, nothing to do with / |
| 23:34.31 | dune | see you guys! |
| 23:34.40 | centrx | Maybe your friend hid his porno in your / drive |
| 23:34.45 | kristopolous | hah |
| 23:34.56 | kristopolous | yeah, do you run an open ftp server? |
| 23:35.02 | Lolocafera | nope |
| 23:35.04 | kristopolous | perhaps you have a large collection of warez |
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| 23:35.20 | kristopolous | ok but really, check the dot directories in you home directory |
| 23:35.28 | kristopolous | there's some pretty big offenders at times |
| 23:35.43 | kristopolous | also ~/Desktop ~/Downloads ~/Documents |
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| 23:36.08 | Lolocafera | I have no problem with my /home, it's got more than 2GB left |
| 23:36.17 | kristopolous | oh you have different partitions |
| 23:36.21 | kristopolous | pleasant. |
| 23:36.31 | Lolocafera | yeah, sorry, I should have said |
| 23:36.38 | kristopolous | this is the cost of doing business like tht |
| 23:37.04 | kristopolous | there's a lot of crap in usr |
| 23:37.11 | kristopolous | maybe you don't need all those programs installed |
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| 23:37.33 | kristopolous | libreoffice, java, python, those tend to be much larger than the benefits a normal user expects |
| 23:37.47 | Lolocafera | probably, I've been through phases of being a compulsive installer. |
| 23:38.14 | kristopolous | ok, well there you go ... du -sk * /usr/lib | sort -n |
| 23:38.16 | Lolocafera | well I do program, actually |
| 23:38.29 | Lolocafera | I haven't started with Python yet, though |
| 23:38.30 | kristopolous | for me I see "373700 jvm" |
| 23:38.40 | kristopolous | 257564 libreoffice |
| 23:39.21 | Lolocafera | my computer is slow, so this may take a while |
| 23:39.23 | kristopolous | locale can also take a lot of space ... some systems have a bunch of languages you don't speak |
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| 23:40.19 | kristopolous | try this sudo apt-get install localepurge |
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| 23:40.44 | kristopolous | pick the languages you care about |
| 23:41.05 | Lolocafera | I wish my computer actually had a system beep, I'd have appened ; echo -e '\a' to that command |
| 23:42.01 | Lolocafera | heh, I discovered I had a scala compiler on my computer |
| 23:42.31 | kristopolous | anyway, i did a localepurge right now, I only care about ienglish ... earned me back 250 mb |
| 23:44.18 | Lolocafera | Holy Chao! I think I understand! I MAY have carried over package lists over various installations, through dpkg --get-selections, through the past eight years, including when I switched from Ubuntu to Debian |
| 23:44.54 | kristopolous | there's probably a more formal way to do this, but I do dpkg -l | grep '^ii' | wc -l |
| 23:45.03 | kristopolous | for me, it's 1694 |
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| 23:45.28 | kristopolous | and about 2014 on an ubuntu machine i have |
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| 23:46.33 | kristopolous | so if you are getting numbers like "8500" that's probably a problem. |
| 23:47.07 | hht | how to copy and paste text in nano editor ? |
| 23:47.14 | Lolocafera | 2321 |
| 23:47.17 | kristopolous | with the mouse |
| 23:47.22 | kristopolous | just select the text |
| 23:47.23 | hht | i can highlight text with ctrl +6 |
| 23:47.28 | hht | i cant use mouse |
| 23:47.35 | kristopolous | oh really? |
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| 23:47.45 | kristopolous | well then i don't know if nano supports buffers |
| 23:48.01 | hht | i can set a mark with ctrl 6 |
| 23:48.02 | buu | hht: use screen |
| 23:48.04 | buu | or better, vim |
| 23:48.07 | buu | or both |
| 23:48.16 | kristopolous | no no ... don't do those things ... that's a huge time investment |
| 23:48.28 | kristopolous | are you not in a GUI? |
| 23:48.34 | hercumer | alt +a to select, alt +6 to copy, cntl +u to paste |
| 23:48.38 | hht | hm screen and vim arent available |
| 23:48.39 | kristopolous | oh ok |
| 23:48.39 | kristopolous | great |
| 23:48.53 | kristopolous | yeah, those are good tools to learn |
| 23:49.00 | kristopolous | but it doesn't help you with your immediate problem |
| 23:49.18 | hht | i am in gnu |
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| 23:49.22 | hht | im not in gui |
| 23:50.01 | kristopolous | ok there's a way to turn on a mouse |
| 23:50.04 | kristopolous | let me see if i can find it |
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| 23:50.22 | kristopolous | oh right, gpm |
| 23:50.24 | kristopolous | let me see if it works |
| 23:50.44 | kristopolous | oh totally does |
| 23:50.46 | kristopolous | apt-get install gpm |
| 23:51.19 | kristopolous | you should have a rectangle cursor move around when you move your mouse |
| 23:51.24 | kristopolous | and should be able to copy and paste |
| 23:51.33 | hht | thank you kristopolous it works :) |
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| 23:52.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | What is a good metapackage to file a bug against if I'm requesting distribution of Debian in some particular form? |
| 23:52.08 | kristopolous | great, hopefully that makes life easier for you |
| 23:52.25 | centrx | Eduard_Munteanu, What form would that be? |
| 23:52.48 | Eduard_Munteanu | centrx, pre-debootstrapped tarballs |
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| 23:53.52 | Eduard_Munteanu | Basically the result of a debootstrap, tarred up. |
| 23:53.56 | Lolocafera | by the way, what am I supposed to do now that I have installed firmware-iwlwifi on my new set? |
| 23:53.58 | centrx | Eduard_Munteanu, Not sure, I know there are groups (with bug designations) for: cd-image people, debian-installer, release team, ftp masters |
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| 23:54.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | centrx, yeah, I'm looking at them and I can't decide if they're appropriate |
| 23:54.47 | kristopolous | Lolocafera: modprobe it |
| 23:54.59 | kristopolous | let me be more specific |
| 23:55.09 | centrx | Eduard_Munteanu, Ask around on the OFTC Debian channels, there are a bunch of them for every purpose |
| 23:55.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | Thanks, I will. |
| 23:55.28 | kristopolous | it puts things in /lib/firmware |
| 23:55.30 | centrx | Eduard_Munteanu, though might not be much activity on a Saturday night |
| 23:55.45 | kristopolous | if you reboot the machine it should try to find things |
| 23:55.57 | kristopolous | that's the most direct and simplest way to do things |
| 23:56.05 | kristopolous | there are ways of doing it without a reboot |
| 23:56.10 | Lolocafera | ah |
| 23:56.13 | kristopolous | so tell me if that's not an option |
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| 23:56.33 | Lolocafera | no, I have no problem with rebooting |
| 23:56.37 | kristopolous | go for it |
| 23:57.21 | kristopolous | lol what ... now i see thunderbird and no more icedove |
| 23:57.27 | kristopolous | has debian changed this? |
| 23:58.00 | kristopolous | oh shit, i was logged into a different machine running atll these commands |
| 23:58.13 | kristopolous | no wonder everything was working well |
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| 23:59.09 | Lolocafera | please remind me the location of the interfaces file, I caught a message about it being messed up on shutdown and boot |
| 23:59.43 | kristopolous | dondelelcaro: ok i really can't figure this thing out ... would a re-install be that horrible? |
| 23:59.46 | kristopolous | don't worry about that yet |
| 23:59.49 | kristopolous | do an ifconfig -a |
| 23:59.51 | kristopolous | and see if it appears |