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| 00:02.35 | orbitaldecay | If anyone is interested in helping me test an IRC pvp bot I wrote in python, jump in #fightbot |
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| 00:15.50 | reavengrey | Any semblance of an ETA for debian 8? |
| 00:16.01 | dvs | !wwjr |
| 00:16.01 | dpkg | I have no idea when Debian 8.0 "Jessie" will release -- when it's ready, I guess, but I do know about the <jessie freeze>. For user contributed guesses on when it will release, ask me about <jessie pool 1>. See also <release goals>, <wir>. |
| 00:16.17 | reavengrey | thanks |
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| 00:20.38 | phogg | reavengrey: The answer for the next Debian release is always: When it's ready; real soon, now (sooner if you help). |
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| 00:21.57 | reavengrey | I'd help, but there's probably a complex picking order and submission protocol, etc |
| 00:22.05 | reavengrey | And I have no idea how to prepare debs |
| 00:22.45 | scot14 | Looks like Jessie isn't using systemd as default init system? When-ish will it become the default??? Very rouggghhh guess? |
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| 00:27.21 | dvs | scot14: what jessie releases? Just a guess. |
| 00:27.40 | dvs | s/what/when/ |
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| 00:29.36 | scot14 | dvs: wouldn't the installer need to be tested before then? i know you don't know :-) |
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| 00:30.12 | dvs | scot14: Of course the installer would have to be tested before it's released! |
| 00:30.16 | dvs | ;-) |
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| 00:31.03 | scot14 | i guess it will be a surprise. maybe i should just switch now |
| 00:31.38 | scot14 | dvs, sort of like a guinea pig :-) |
| 00:32.06 | dvs | That's what testing is for... |
| 00:32.22 | scot14 | * realizes that is true |
| 00:32.45 | scot14 | good point, i already signed up for it ;-) |
| 00:33.36 | lmat | toli_: Did you get anything worked out? |
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| 00:34.20 | Paradisee | hello o/ |
| 00:34.44 | toli_ | lmat, yes I found this and it works http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=41881#p2705863. thanks |
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| 00:35.12 | Paradisee | i used "nohup python main.py &" to run a script, but im not able to kill it anymore, i mean it doesn't appear on "ps aux", "ps aux | grep python", also tried with htop... |
| 00:35.19 | Paradisee | is there anyway to kill that process? |
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| 00:36.54 | lmat | toli_: Excellent |
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| 00:40.46 | scot14 | Paradisee, why do you think it is still running? |
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| 00:41.57 | Paradisee | scot14: cus its an irc bot |
| 00:42.03 | Paradisee | i can comunicate with it |
| 00:42.42 | scot14 | Paradisee, are you root on the machine it is running on? |
| 00:42.48 | Paradisee | yep, its a vps |
| 00:43.07 | scot14 | I just did a test, ps aux|grep python should work |
| 00:43.09 | loeken | ParaDebian_, check the connections what applications are connected to that network ( ports 6667 etc ) |
| 00:43.37 | loeken | scot14, not if you are launching python scripts you did not read before and part of these scripts are to hide :D |
| 00:44.03 | scot14 | sudo netstat -nap|grep tcp |
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| 00:45.09 | Paradisee | scot14: i 've done, |
| 00:45.15 | Paradisee | was my bad |
| 00:46.25 | scot14 | loeken, my bad for assuming one would read them first :-) |
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| 00:57.06 | psiklops | Hi. I have a Geforce4 MX 440 AGP 8x gfxcard and just installed a fresh stable ... nouveau module is loaded as shown in lsmod .. i need xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-96xx for this card ... how do i get rid of nouveau before install xserver-xorg-video-nv... ? |
| 00:57.43 | zykotick9 | psiklops: good luck with that card, i think you'll need it... |
| 00:58.14 | zykotick9 | psiklops: also xserver-xorg-video-nv is almost certainly NOT what you are looking for... |
| 00:58.23 | psiklops | zykotick9, :-D |
| 00:58.53 | zykotick9 | psiklops: fyi, installing propritary nvidia, will automatically blacklist nouveau |
| 00:58.54 | psiklops | it installs fine if i install debian with desktop enviroment during install |
| 00:59.17 | psiklops | but i just set it up to very basic install |
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| 01:01.10 | psiklops | zykotick9, i recall 2 warning during install of the named xserver-xorg-... in a previous install.. 1. it conflicts with the current nouveau driver a reboot will solve the problem 2. i need to adjust my xorg.conf |
| 01:01.27 | psiklops | but installing with desktop enviroment all is fine |
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| 01:02.16 | zykotick9 | !tell psiklops about nvidia |
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| 01:05.03 | psiklops | zykotick9, that means i only have to install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau ? |
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| 01:05.50 | zykotick9 | psiklops: nouveau should be installed by default (with xorg) unless you used a different xorg metapackage |
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| 01:09.35 | psiklops | zykotick9, hmm, different approach. how do i keep aptitude from install all the other xserver-xorg-video-?* when installing xorg? |
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| 01:10.09 | zykotick9 | psiklops: it's possible, but are you _sure_ it's needed? |
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| 01:12.12 | psiklops | zykotick9, :-) do i need the others ... or are they so small that it makes no difference ... i am running a 8GB FlashCard |
| 01:12.31 | zykotick9 | psiklops: it's NOT going to make a big difference... |
| 01:13.02 | psiklops | zykotick9, i'll give it a try |
| 01:13.08 | psiklops | thanks |
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| 01:18.34 | zykotick9 | psiklops: fyi, using xserver-xorg-core + some specific packages for your system, is the way to avoid installing all of Xorg - but i really question the benefit. best of luck! |
| 01:18.40 | psiklops | it works :-D |
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| 01:29.58 | ldnblk | hi am trying to get tor and vidalia working in wheezy, is there anyone on channel that can assist ? |
| 01:30.57 | zykotick9 | ldnblk: 1) i believe there is a tor channel on oftc 2) i'm not sure vidalia is supported anymore (but not sure) |
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| 01:31.49 | ldnblk | zykotick9: thanks |
| 01:32.26 | zykotick9 | ldnblk: personally, i just download the tor-browser-bundle and drop it into a subfolder in /opt |
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| 01:33.42 | zykotick9 | tor is the one and only, out-of-debian-repo program he uses |
| 01:33.56 | ldnblk | zykotick9: its not the browser bundle, it is the pure tor app |
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| 01:34.55 | zykotick9 | ldnblk: well, i can only wish you the best of luck... sorry. good luck. i've never gone down that road ;) |
| 01:35.16 | ldnblk | zykotick9: ok thanks |
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| 01:47.57 | Jimmy7 | The volume buttons on my vaio do not work. Any clue? |
| 01:48.03 | reavengrey | Hi, I just messed up my installation while trying to install Steam |
| 01:48.26 | reavengrey | My X11 session doesn't start, and there are dependency problems for libc6 |
| 01:48.36 | reavengrey | And libci386 |
| 01:48.50 | reavengrey | The Debian wiki guide pretty much said to add the jessie repos |
| 01:48.57 | reavengrey | Then aptitude update |
| 01:49.21 | reavengrey | Then try to install steam |
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| 01:50.01 | reavengrey | I was suspicious since there was no mention of backports |
| 01:50.17 | reavengrey | And it essentially just mixed both my wheezy repos and the jessie repos |
| 01:50.27 | reavengrey | But still did it anyway, because debian wiki |
| 01:50.30 | reavengrey | rip |
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| 01:54.31 | zykotick9 | reavengrey: welcome to testing ;) |
| 01:54.44 | zykotick9 | !tell reavengrey about frankendebian |
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| 01:55.57 | reavengrey | Honestly, I should have listened to the big glaring red light on that wiki article that was, "Add jessie repos and then update" |
| 01:56.12 | reavengrey | Kinda wanna strangle whoever wrote that |
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| 01:57.38 | themill | The steam wiki page doesn't say that at all. |
| 01:58.10 | themill | It says «There are packages available for Jessie and Sid. They are *not* currently available for the stable release, Wheezy. » |
| 01:59.16 | reavengrey | "There are packages available for Jessie and Sid. They are not currently available for the stable release, Wheezy" |
| 01:59.29 | reavengrey | That's nothing unusual |
| 01:59.47 | reavengrey | The next section then goes on to offer a solution as if it's a good solution, and a known solution |
| 01:59.56 | reavengrey | "64-bit systems (amd64) |
| 02:00.35 | reavengrey | It implies that "Well, there's no package for wheezy, but if you want it on wheeze, the way to get the steam package on wheezy is to follow these steps below" |
| 02:00.54 | reavengrey | The steps then go on to say that you should add jessie repos, and update apt |
| 02:01.18 | reavengrey | So, again, I want to strangle whoever wrote that article |
| 02:01.37 | themill | well... I'd read "not available for wheezy" as meaning "not available for wheezy". |
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| 02:02.18 | reavengrey | If I was less experienced, I'd just be in a dark hole right now -- the only reason I even have a clue why I'm in a hole is because I've dealt with similar things before |
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| 02:02.40 | zykotick9 | reavengrey: ya, i agree with themill - the wiki, shows the directions for jess/sid - and says it's not available in wheezy (that my interpretation anyways) |
| 02:02.46 | Jimmy7 | why the volume buttons on my laptop dont work? |
| 02:03.17 | reavengrey | Should probably be re-written to say that more clearly -- I'd handle that myself, but I'm browsing via Lynx atm |
| 02:03.27 | dvs | Jimmy7: try with the Fn key? |
| 02:03.47 | jeep | Jimmy7: mine work good |
| 02:03.56 | Jimmy7 | fn key? dvs can u expand that? |
| 02:04.11 | zykotick9 | reavengrey: the way i see it, you have two option - update (IMO downgrade) everything to testing, or reinstall - hopefully there is a 3rd option i don't know. good luck. |
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| 02:04.45 | reavengrey | K, I'll just move to jessie wholesale |
| 02:04.55 | dvs | Jimmy7: On my laptop, the volume key is an alternate for the Function keys. In Debian, the toggle is swapped. |
| 02:06.28 | reavengrey | Jimmy7: what exactly happens when you try to use the volume control buttons on your PC? |
| 02:06.29 | Jimmy7 | dvs: here... http://www.pihhan.info/sony/vaiofz210-multimedia-keys.jpg |
| 02:06.57 | Jimmy7 | dvs: these are the volume keys / hokeys that i was talking about |
| 02:07.09 | Jimmy7 | reavengrey: nothing :) |
| 02:07.19 | Jimmy7 | exactly nothing. |
| 02:07.43 | reavengrey | Well, when debugging, you want to start with the first assumption, then verify that it holds water, then move on to the next, and so on |
| 02:07.43 | dvs | Jimmy7: Oh it's different from mine. |
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| 02:08.05 | Jimmy7 | I mean, the power button does halt the system. but the volume and everything else u see in the above pic... does nothing |
| 02:08.22 | reavengrey | So, the first assumption you're making is assuming that you've configured the volume buttons to be the shortcut keys for volume control |
| 02:08.43 | reavengrey | The next assumption is to check to see if Alsa is running |
| 02:08.59 | reavengrey | Next assumption is to see if the kernel has a driver for your card |
| 02:09.09 | reavengrey | Next assumption is to check to see if Alsa knows about the card |
| 02:09.29 | zykotick9 | Jimmy7: i'd see if xev is registering anything when you press those buttons... but i'm not an expert in non-standard keys, mine work as designed OOTB, for Sony??? |
| 02:09.34 | reavengrey | Next assumption is to check /etc/asound.conf... |
| 02:09.43 | reavengrey | And so on, until you have something useful to ask |
| 02:09.54 | reavengrey | then you ask how to solve that specific problem in the help channel |
| 02:10.17 | reavengrey | "Why don't my volume buttons work?" |
| 02:10.19 | Jimmy7 | reavengrey: I see. |
| 02:10.24 | reavengrey | I can give you 1000 different reasons |
| 02:10.29 | Jimmy7 | :) |
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| 02:11.40 | zykotick9 | reavengrey: is "solar flares" one reason ;) |
| 02:12.19 | reavengrey | might well be...can probably slip in obama there somewhere, and al qaeda if the obama thing doesn't stand to scrutiny... |
| 02:13.09 | jeep | reavengrey: dont forget to blame bush |
| 02:13.52 | Jimmy7 | sudo bash bush |
| 02:14.14 | ldnblk | zykotick9: thanks I have managed to get it working now. |
| 02:14.40 | zykotick9 | ldnblk: nice. TOR FTW. |
| 02:15.07 | ldnblk | zykotick9: ftw ? |
| 02:15.15 | zykotick9 | ldnblk: sorry, "for the win" |
| 02:16.37 | zykotick9 | ldnblk: fyi, dpkg is aware of many TLA (three letter acryonyms) see "/msg dpkg ftw" for confirmation |
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| 02:32.06 | reavengrey | Dat wheezy->jessie upgrade thi |
| 02:32.08 | reavengrey | *tho |
| 02:32.12 | reavengrey | Need to get 1,126 MB/1,127 MB of archives. |
| 02:32.18 | reavengrey | ;_; |
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| 02:48.56 | jeep | reavengrey: im going from wheezy to sid needed 3.3gig |
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| 02:51.42 | reavengrey | has the interesting effect of making me both apprehensive, and also very excited about what the 3.3GiB of changes in sid really entail |
| 02:51.59 | zykotick9 | jeep: that's going to depend on what you have installed... my wheezy is <3.1G, i highly doubt going to sid for me would require 3.3G... |
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| 02:55.42 | zykotick9 | jeep: thus the big size for sid migration ;) |
| 02:56.23 | reavengrey | Crunchbang ftw...so small, so compact, so nice |
| 02:56.37 | zykotick9 | reavengrey: puff... |
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| 03:20.54 | `ryban | Good morning. |
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| 03:35.53 | socomm | `ryban: Morning? It's 8:35 PM in Los Angeles. :) |
| 03:36.30 | zykotick9 | socomm: not everyone here lives in california... just sayin' |
| 03:37.50 | socomm | zykotick9: not everyone lives where `ryban lives.... just sayin' |
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| 04:30.27 | Bsims | I run debian in a vmware player session and when I start X via kde it defaults to the first virtual0 modeline despite my specifiying the desired resoulution in xorg.conf any one have any ideas? |
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| 04:50.21 | Pimpdamap | http://trrlewis.blogspot.com/ |
| 04:50.31 | Pimpdamap | A friend wrote good stuff |
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| 05:03.05 | Arven | I'm currently having an issue with a PATA CD-ROM drive attached to a SIL680 drive controller. When ripping an Audio CD (with any program) the rip stops. rescan-scsi-bus shows no device anymore. |
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| 05:36.39 | Arven | These are some odd messages that precede my issue with a CD-ROM drive: http://pastebin.com/XmwM6VT6 |
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| 05:37.45 | Arven | After that, no amount of probing and prodding at the scsi devices does anything except remove the "/dev/sr0" and "/dev/sg2" |
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| 05:41.10 | mooglenorph | Hi, I'm finding conflicting information online about this |
| 05:41.20 | mooglenorph | How larget can extended attributes be in ext4 on debian wheezy? |
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| 05:42.00 | mooglenorph | Some sites say all extended attributes must fit in a single block, and some (later) sites say that ext4 can now allocate additional blocks for additional extended attribute storage. |
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| 05:59.16 | jpinx | mooglenorph: http://askubuntu.com/questions/124102/how-do-i-enable-extended-attributes-on-ext4 |
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| 06:38.44 | MrGeneral | Hello folks. Boot.log states: * Starting ElasticSearch Server ^[[80G ^[[74G[^[[31mfail^[[39;49m]. Why can't it start Elasticsearch server? I'm able to start it with /etc/init.d/elasticsearch start, no errors at all. |
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| 06:39.59 | themill | MrGeneral: is it trying to start before the network is ready (or some other dependency)? |
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| 06:40.35 | MrGeneral | themill, probably, how can I change that? update-rc.d elasticsearch defaults 95 10 <- I got it like that |
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| 06:41.03 | themill | MrGeneral: the numbers do nothing -- you'd need to declare the appropriate dependencies in the header block of the init script |
| 06:41.40 | MrGeneral | # Required-Start: $network $remote_fs $named |
| 06:41.41 | MrGeneral | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:41.41 | MrGeneral | , that's it themill |
| 06:41.58 | haba713 | hi! when i add extract_addresses_remove_arguments=false at the end of /etc/exim4/conf.d/main/02_exim4-config_options and restart exim4, it has no effect. also sudo /usr/sbin/exim -bP | fgrep extract_addresses_remove_arguments shows that nothing changes. how do i add options to exim config? |
| 06:42.22 | themill | MrGeneral: you'd have to get the daemon itself to tell you why it didn't start up then. It should keep logs |
| 06:42.48 | MrGeneral | themill, Indeed, but it doesnt create any logs on boot |
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| 06:43.03 | MrGeneral | it only creates them when I run /etc/init.d/elasticsearch start, themill |
| 06:43.38 | themill | how is it trying to log? syslog? file? |
| 06:44.01 | MrGeneral | when I start it, it goes to /var/log/elasticsearch |
| 06:44.15 | MrGeneral | but I'm reading the other log, * Starting ElasticSearch Server ^[[80G ^[[74G[^[[31mfail^[[39;49m], in /var/log/boot.log |
| 06:44.35 | MrGeneral | I've tried numerous things to get it working. |
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| 06:45.24 | themill | I assume you'd need one (or both) of $local_fs $syslog in that dependency |
| 06:45.33 | MrGeneral | * Starting ElasticSearch Server [fail] |
| 06:45.35 | MrGeneral | Hmm I see |
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| 06:46.36 | themill | MrGeneral: what init system are you using there? |
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| 06:46.51 | themill | and what release of debian is this? |
| 06:46.53 | MrGeneral | no idea themill , this is powered by amazon :( |
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| 06:47.06 | MrGeneral | wheezy, themill |
| 06:47.32 | themill | that sounds like upstart, but you'd need to do major surgery on wheezy to get upstart to be your init |
| 06:48.04 | MrGeneral | oh jeez themill |
| 06:48.04 | mooglenorph | Holy geez would you look at this. Apparently a bunch of my file already have extended attributes... specifically user.xdg.origin.url |
| 06:48.11 | mooglenorph | That's awesome! |
| 06:48.18 | MrGeneral | Now I really dunno what I should do, themill :p, any advice to get it starting on boot? :) |
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| 06:49.14 | MrGeneral | it looks like upstart, yes, themill. |
| 06:49.21 | MrGeneral | I just need to change the booting order, somehow. |
| 06:49.28 | themill | knows very little about upstart |
| 06:49.37 | MrGeneral | same here. |
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| 06:50.47 | MrGeneral | thanks themill , I'll keep investigating. :) |
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| 07:37.40 | folivora | Ola, Can someone explain me how I can connect to my KVM via my browser, I remember it has some like localhost+uuid of the virtualized guest |
| 07:37.50 | folivora | I would not mind to use vnc |
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| 08:12.35 | Iridos | folivora, not me, but The Google can within seconds... like http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-kvm-vnc-for-guest-machine/ |
| 08:13.01 | Iridos | (at least for the vnc option) |
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| 08:25.27 | FaTony | hi, after installing systemd-sysv my PC takes a very long time to boot, here are some info: http://pastebin.com/32vcPQL2 |
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| 08:27.09 | jelly | FaTony: whihc debian release is that? |
| 08:27.15 | FaTony | jessie |
| 08:27.21 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 08:27.21 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
| 08:27.40 | jelly | FaTony: ask questions about jessie there, someone may have a clue |
| 08:27.55 | FaTony | Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only) |
| 08:28.05 | jelly | FaTony: irc.oftc.net, not freenode |
| 08:28.08 | FaTony | ahh |
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| 08:44.31 | jelly | wouldn't help |
| 08:44.43 | jelly | !be a reading Barbie |
| 08:44.43 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, jelly |
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| 08:45.42 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | Does debian update the kernel every 25 mins like ubuntu? |
| 08:45.50 | Wulf | what? |
| 08:45.54 | bazhang | no |
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| 08:46.02 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | OK time to swap |
| 08:46.11 | Wulf | WhenHandCuffsAtt: what do you mean "update the kernel"? |
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| 08:46.43 | babilen | WhenHandCuffsAtt: Ubuntu does not update the kernel (in the sense of "upload new kernel packages") every 25 minutes either |
| 08:46.51 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | Wulf: kernel-3.2394039248329403249038490342bbq-1 -> kernel-3.2394039248329403249038490342bbq-2.0 within about 3 days |
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| 08:47.05 | sharky | not even Torvalds does that |
| 08:47.08 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | babilen: Ok, so 3 days |
| 08:48.03 | babilen | WhenHandCuffsAtt: Sometimes kernel updates are necessary. (that's a very strange version, but meh) |
| 08:48.18 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | babilen: example. |
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| 08:51.26 | babilen | WhenHandCuffsAtt: Well, the answer to your question is "no", but as your question is horribly imprecise and has been dramatised there is simply no way to not answer "no" to it. The answer you have been given is therefore meaningless. |
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| 08:52.18 | ramers | thank you iam welcome |
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| 08:54.12 | buu | The lighthouse has met the eagle, repeat, the lighthouse has met the eagle. |
| 08:54.23 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | babilen: I mean , does the kernel update as often as Ubuntu ? |
| 08:54.32 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | So often it becomes annoying |
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| 08:55.18 | jeldrik | is away (Bye Bye...) |
| 08:55.22 | buu | WhenHandCuffsAtt: Debian stable does not in fact update. Ever. It was designed once 25 years ago and been kept perfect ever since. |
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| 08:56.10 | well_laid_lawn | perfect is relative |
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| 08:56.25 | buu | My relative is perfect. |
| 08:56.27 | CMStorm | hello |
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| 08:57.10 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | Mister Perfect Kurt Henning ? |
| 08:57.23 | babilen | WhenHandCuffsAtt: I am not particularly annoyed by the frequency of kernel updates in Debian, but they are necessary sometimes. (there have been two major CVEs in the last couple of weeks) |
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| 08:58.09 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | babilen: Alright. I might as well try it out and see. I'm just skipping around to see what I like replacing XP with best so far. |
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| 09:00.44 | sharky | I see why offtopic is in the channel topic :D |
| 09:00.48 | babilen | WhenHandCuffsAtt: You really have to decide that for yourself and it really depends on what you are looking for. All I can say is that Debian is a very reasonable choice and that I never regretted that decision. I do run testing or unstable on my personal boxes though (and, naturally, stable on servers) |
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| 09:02.26 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | babilen: I'll figure it out soon enough. So far, Mint . |
| 09:02.33 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | CentOS was just too old versioned |
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| 09:02.42 | babilen | What are you looking for? |
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| 09:03.31 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | babilen: Just something that is stable, does FireFox, Chrom(ium), VLC, Spotify.. |
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| 09:03.44 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | Hulu maybe |
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| 09:04.02 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | Since it's a secondary machine and not the gaming machine |
| 09:04.55 | babilen | WhenHandCuffsAtt: Sure, sounds as if Debian stable (which simply means "not changing") is a good choice. You probably want to use some selected backported packages (newer versions made available for wheezy) though. Use a sources.list such as http://paste.debian.net/105226 |
| 09:05.03 | babilen | dpkg: tell WhenHandCuffsAtt -about install debian |
| 09:05.07 | babilen | dpkg: tell WhenHandCuffsAtt -about firmware image |
| 09:05.35 | babilen | WhenHandCuffsAtt: I'd use the firmware netinstall image if your hardware requires firmware and if you have a working network connection during the installation. Which DE do you want to use? (if any) |
| 09:05.49 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | DE? |
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| 09:06.41 | poeticrpm | desktop environment |
| 09:06.48 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | oh. XFCE or MATE |
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| 09:07.35 | babilen | dpkg: tell WhenHandCuffsAtt -about install xfce |
| 09:07.49 | babilen | judd: v mate-desktop |
| 09:07.50 | judd | Package: mate-desktop on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 1.8.1+dfsg1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.8.1+dfsg1-1; sid: 1.8.1+dfsg1-1 |
| 09:08.23 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | So I'll have to enable backports in the sources list ? |
| 09:08.56 | poeticrpm | not to be a dick, but I kind of think XFCE is a better choice. MATE seems to have more breakage to me |
| 09:09.01 | babilen | WhenHandCuffsAtt: You cannot install MATE during the initial installation, but you can pull it in from backports later. So if you want that then don't install the "desktop" task during the initial installation and then install mate-desktop from wheezy-backports. You will also have to <install x> prior to that (/msg dpkg install x) |
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| 09:09.32 | babilen | WhenHandCuffsAtt: The sources.list I gave you above does have wheezy-backports already (and http.debian.net chooses the best mirror automagically) |
| 09:09.36 | babilen | You can use it as-is |
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| 09:11.28 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | babilen: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ ? |
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| 09:11.48 | babilen | WhenHandCuffsAtt: yeah, exactly. You probably want the amd64 variant. |
| 09:12.32 | jpinx | poeticrpm: lxde |
| 09:12.33 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | babilen: I'll have to manually add it ? |
| 09:13.07 | poeticrpm | jpinx, or straight openbox :P |
| 09:13.09 | jpinx | babilen: and he'll need to know the aptitude options -t ;) |
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| 09:16.12 | babilen | WhenHandCuffsAtt: Add what manually? |
| 09:16.15 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | disabling netinst CD in sources.list seems to be taking a while |
| 09:16.23 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | babilen: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ ? |
| 09:16.36 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | The non-free link |
| 09:17.20 | babilen | What? |
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| 09:17.35 | babilen | WhenHandCuffsAtt: That is the installation image you would boot from in order to install Debian wheezy. |
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| 09:18.32 | SynrGy | WhenHandCuffsAtt: i.e. that is not an apt sources.list line. |
| 09:18.33 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | babilen: Gah. I used http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.5.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso and unetbooten |
| 09:18.43 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | or however you spell it |
| 09:19.03 | SynrGy | !unetbootin |
| 09:19.04 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 09:19.18 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | indeedy. |
| 09:19.45 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | SynrGy: So I should have used a "backports" iso ? |
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| 09:19.57 | SynrGy | those don't exist for this release. |
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| 09:20.09 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | oh the confusion.. |
| 09:20.23 | SynrGy | kenshi muto used to make some. last one he made was for squeeze. |
| 09:20.54 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | SynrGy: I'm wondering what he wants to me to , or if I should have downloaded some different version ? |
| 09:21.05 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | other than what is listed on https://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
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| 09:22.10 | babilen | WhenHandCuffsAtt: unetbooting breaks our images |
| 09:23.24 | babilen | WhenHandCuffsAtt: Just use the image I mentioned, write it to your USB (cp the-image.iso /dev/sdb;sync -- assuming /dev/sdb is your USB stick!!!!) and then boot from it. Install wheezy don't install the desktop task and then change your sources.list to what I showed earlier. |
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| 09:23.49 | khem_ | is there any 2.6-kernel packages available for Wheezy? I'd really need it. |
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| 09:24.06 | babilen | WhenHandCuffsAtt: Once you have done that run "apt-get update" and then <install x> as detailed in "/msg dpkg install x" followed by "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install mate-desktop" if you want MATE |
| 09:24.13 | babilen | khem_: no |
| 09:24.40 | khem_ | babilen: could you think of any problems it could cause to build my own 2.6 kernel and run under wheezy? |
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| 09:24.47 | MCMic | Hello |
| 09:25.02 | babilen | khem_: IIRC the udev version in wheezy requires a >= 3.* kernel |
| 09:25.06 | SynrGy | WhenHandCuffsAtt: and as for "other than what is listed" you can certainly install using the version you already downloaded. it's just that if your system requires non-free firmware, it's easier with the unofficial version including firmware. |
| 09:25.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell WhenHandCuffsAtt -about usb install |
| 09:25.41 | khem_ | babilen: I see. |
| 09:25.48 | MCMic | I’d like some information about debian packaging, is it possible to package a symlink to files from another we depend from? |
| 09:26.16 | MCMic | *another package |
| 09:26.45 | poeticrpm | MCMic, pop some shrooms, go to sleep and have a nightmare- youll be an expert in Debian packaging overnight |
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| 09:27.13 | themill | MCMic: sure. You can make them from debian/rules or using dh_link. |
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| 09:28.40 | MCMic | themill: is it allowed by rules to symlink files from another package? In this case I guess I must depends from the exact version of the package? |
| 09:29.14 | themill | sure |
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| 09:29.50 | MCMic | ok |
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| 09:35.06 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | Gnome3 failed to load.. well that aint good |
| 09:35.21 | srenatus | hi there. From my asking last week, I got the understanding that `apt-get install packageA` would upgrade (assuming it's already installed) packageA. I picked up that the upgrading of its dependency, the also installed but outdated packageB, wouldn't be a problem because the official repositories only contain _one_ version of each package. |
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| 09:35.48 | srenatus | No I realised that what I've got at hand is an outdated packageB that only exists locally but is not upgraded from running `apt-get install packageA`. |
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| 09:36.24 | srenatus | Is there anything I can do, beside `apt-get upgrade` or `apt-get install packageB`, to upgrade the dependency packageB? |
| 09:38.22 | babilen | WhenHandCuffsAtt: Failed how? |
| 09:39.52 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | babilen: Beats me. I'm installing "xfce4 xfce4-goodies" now. |
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| 09:40.49 | babilen | WhenHandCuffsAtt: Why didn't you install XFCE to begin with? |
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| 09:41.00 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | babilen: there was a way? |
| 09:41.08 | babilen | Sure, the bot told you about it earlier |
| 09:41.14 | babilen | dpkg: install xfce |
| 09:41.14 | dpkg | To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies» To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install". |
| 09:41.17 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | all I saw was desktop, mail server..so on.. |
| 09:41.37 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | Oh well. |
| 09:41.37 | babilen | WhenHandCuffsAtt: I made sure that you have that information and covered both alternatives "install xfce" and "install mate" |
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| 09:48.58 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | I guess Iceweasel is based on FireFox? |
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| 09:50.14 | poeticrpm | it is firefox with the branding stripped |
| 09:50.37 | jpinx | WhenHandCuffsAtt: iirc xfce is not too difficult to purge when you decide on your de |
| 09:50.48 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | sort of like Chromium vs Chrome ? |
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| 09:51.11 | jpinx | unlike gnomewhich sticks like siht to a blanket |
| 09:51.12 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | hm.. I don't have any sound in XFCE |
| 09:51.28 | jpinx | WhenHandCuffsAtt: check alsa |
| 09:51.34 | poeticrpm | WhenHandCuffsAtt, sort of, though chromium is OSS and chrome is not. Chromium is heavily developed by the OSS community (though chrome benefits) |
| 09:51.41 | jpinx | !alsa chechlist |
| 09:51.48 | jpinx | !alsa checklist |
| 09:51.49 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 09:52.16 | jpinx | WhenHandCuffsAtt: ^^ |
| 09:52.24 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | Gnome classic the sound works |
| 09:52.54 | jpinx | WhenHandCuffsAtt: if you have more than one de installed there are likely some conflicts |
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| 09:53.25 | poeticrpm | shit to a blanket. i loled |
| 09:53.36 | poeticrpm | jpinx: conflicts? |
| 09:53.50 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | Hell I'll just use Gnome Classic |
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| 09:55.10 | WhenHandCuffsAtt | hulu is weirdly just green though. Is this 'free flash' or something ? |
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| 10:03.52 | roby77 | !lista |
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| 10:04.58 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 10:08.18 | ch077179 | hi, is vim somehow changed for debian? y doesn't yank single characters but whole lines |
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| 10:09.03 | themill | ch077179: sure you don't have your shift key down? |
| 10:09.10 | petn-randall | ch077179: caps lock? |
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| 10:09.36 | ch077179 | neither... |
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| 10:10.01 | ch077179 | it explicitly tells me there's no mapping for C-v |
| 10:10.05 | themill | (because y does nothing but Y yanks line; Ctrl+V is Visual Block) |
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| 10:10.29 | ch077179 | ok |
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| 10:13.56 | roby77 | !list |
| 10:13.56 | dpkg | roby77: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.5.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 10:14.36 | babilen | roby77: No illegal software/content here |
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| 10:32.06 | MCMic | What is the correct way to do a package that does not have an upstream tarball? Google finds things talking about «native packages» and «dh_make --native» but dh_make is not found on my system and a search about native packages on debian wiki is unsuccessful |
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| 10:34.06 | Wulf | MCMic: install dh-make? |
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| 10:34.26 | Wulf | MCMic: but not sure about the correct way for packaging either |
| 10:34.42 | Wulf | MCMic: there should be a manual though |
| 10:35.07 | Wulf | MCMic: did you read https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ already? |
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| 10:35.30 | MCMic | ok, it’s just I expected to have a way with the tools indicated in https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging |
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| 10:40.33 | Wulf | MCMic: also https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsFaq#What_is_the_difference_between_a_native_Debian_package_and_a_non-native_package.3F |
| 10:41.29 | MCMic | thanks |
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| 11:00.21 | folivora | Iridos: yes for the vnc |
| 11:00.38 | folivora | but with vnc, it is quite impossible the get decent size windoe |
| 11:00.42 | folivora | *window |
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| 11:17.24 | Iridos | folivora, why? |
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| 11:19.39 | basichash | How do I get logitech 960 USB headset working in debian? it's recognized by the os, but no sound is coming through |
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| 11:23.00 | Iridos | basichash, did you try calling pavucontrol (from the package with the same name) to configure pulse to use the device? |
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| 11:23.32 | petn-randall | basichash: You'll probably have to switch over to that soundcard. How to do that depends a little on if you're using plain ALSA or pulseaudio on top. |
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| 11:24.37 | SpaceKookie | Oh Linux. Changed the GPU in my PC…WIndows throws hissifits, Debian just boots and doesn't give a f**k :D <3 |
| 11:24.53 | SpaceKookie | Sorry that's probably for the #offtopic channel |
| 11:25.08 | sveta | aww, gpus |
| 11:25.22 | basichash | Iridos: nope, will give it a try |
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| 11:26.57 | basichash | all good, thanks guys |
| 11:27.04 | Iridos | \o/ |
| 11:27.07 | petn-randall | SpaceKookie: Of course, it's not designed in a way that you could just boot in a new system. You're expected to buy a new license and install again ;) |
| 11:28.06 | poeticrpm | SpaceKookie, yeah, and forget reinstalls. Just rsync your install to an external, rsync to new hardware, change fstab and rebuild the kernel, change a few drivers (video card, etc), done |
| 11:28.14 | SpaceKookie | petn-randall Ah yea…how could I forget :) It's a bit sad that most Triple-A games only come out on Windows. But then again, I know a lot of Linux users that wouldn't pay a cent for any software. |
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| 11:28.21 | SpaceKookie | So it's probably just a money calcualtion :/ |
| 11:28.39 | peetaur2 | 's windows is in a GPU passthrough vm... and even that doesn't die when I change gpus / clone the vm and run it on a 3rd GPU |
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| 11:30.44 | petern_ | I had Windows set up with nVidia Surround, and then removed a monitor while it wasn't running. Result: no longer bootable. |
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| 11:31.05 | petern_ | Not really Windows' fault though :) |
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| 11:33.13 | petn-randall | SpaceKookie: Guess we should head off to #debian-offtopic ... and there are a few good games for Linux, too :) |
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| 11:45.31 | Mjbmr | Hi, is there any API like system that I can get, like, list of dists and like their versions and name? |
| 11:47.17 | petn-randall | Mjbmr: Not really. What are you trying to do? |
| 11:48.36 | Mjbmr | I'm trying to get list of debian dists, like stable, oldstable, sid, whatever and getting their versions like "Debian 6.0 (squeeze)" |
| 11:49.13 | Mjbmr | using an automatic script |
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| 11:49.37 | jelly | !release history |
| 11:49.38 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7.0; 2013-05-04). The next release will be Jessie. http://debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-releases |
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| 11:51.15 | petn-randall | Mjbmr: Yes, you already said, but what are you doing with that list? Depending on that, there are a handful of possible good answers. |
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| 11:52.06 | MCMic | I’m getting «non-native-package-with-native-version», I don’t understand how to explain debuild that this *is* a native package |
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| 11:52.55 | Mjbmr | I wanna update it on an VPS order form automaticaly, then I would use iPXE |
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| 11:54.03 | Mjbmr | I already did that by reading boot-screens from f1.txt |
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| 11:55.00 | wjtaylor | Has anyone updated their grub lately? Deb is prompting me to install upgrades and grub is one. Last time this happened, it was not good. |
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| 11:56.19 | peetaur2 | wjtaylor: you mean upgrade from grub-legacy to grub2 went bad? yeah it happens. But I imagine updating grub2 to grub2 is fine. |
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| 11:57.12 | wjtaylor | peetaur2: Yeah it was g2 to g2. Don't know what happened, but it wiped it out. |
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| 11:57.59 | peetaur2 | is it a gpt disk without a bios_grub? in that case, in some situations (CLI output says it's when there's LVM or raid ... but I think it happens more often), it'll kill your bootloader when running grub-install without a bios_grub |
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| 11:59.12 | Mjbmr | but not also dists list, cuz they are like changing time by time, cuz I only know there are oldstable, stable and unstable. but also ubuntu has diffrent naming. |
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| 12:10.57 | jeldrik | is away (Bye Bye...) |
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| 12:13.56 | hikenboot_ | sorry to keep asking but if /boot /var/ swap ...etc. etc are on seperate disks is there an easy way to enter a shell on it without manually mounting each disk and doing chroot? |
| 12:14.34 | OpenTokix | hikenboot_: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 12:15.13 | hikenboot_ | I have an lfs build system that I am trying to repair xwindows on (fails to log in properly) and have to enter a shell on it to repair it |
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| 12:16.31 | hikenboot_ | I just didnt know if there was a recovery live cd somewhere that detects OS's built on multiple disks |
| 12:16.54 | hikenboot_ | (by analysing the /etc/fstab file or something) |
| 12:18.01 | niko | /22/22 |
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| 12:21.17 | hikenboot_ | niko? you mean 20/20? |
| 12:22.15 | OpenTokix | hikenboot_: why do you need a shell, if you only need to edit som files? |
| 12:22.57 | hikenboot_ | well I am trying to repair it because it has a problem where it wont actually log into the desktop...logs in almost then logs right back out |
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| 12:25.04 | hikenboot_ | I have a feeling the answer is its going to be a pain to recover... |
| 12:26.01 | hikenboot_ | the lfs directions actually suggest using multiple partitions for every part of the build system...I thought I would take it a step further and put them on seperate drives...guess that wasn't the best idea |
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| 12:28.38 | hikenboot_ | alright I am off to fix it the manual way...thanks |
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| 12:29.32 | Ulrar | Hi, I just installed sudo on a debian and I tried adding this at the very end of the file : nagios ALL= NOPASSWD:/usr/lib/nagios/plugins/check_glusterfs |
| 12:29.37 | Ulrar | But it still asks for a password |
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| 12:32.42 | pbase | Ulrar: Should work.. but if I were, I would not use sudo and execute commands a root |
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| 12:33.01 | peetaur2 | Ulrar: username ALL=NOPASSWD: command (no space after =) or %groupname ALL=NOPASSWD: command |
| 12:33.16 | peetaur2 | and I have a space after : |
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| 12:33.35 | peetaur2 | who knows if spaces are relevant.... the man page is incomprehensible |
| 12:33.54 | peetaur2 | man page is machine parsable, not human readable ;) |
| 12:34.52 | Ulrar | pbase: well nrpe runs as nagios |
| 12:34.59 | Ulrar | peetaur2: Still not working :( |
| 12:35.53 | ChrisH | peetaur2: nagios ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/lib/nagios/plugins/check_glusterfs * |
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| 12:36.02 | ChrisH | peetaur2: nagios or omd? |
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| 12:36.17 | peetaur2 | I have a space after : in mine |
| 12:36.33 | peetaur2 | and 1 space after user name |
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| 12:38.06 | Ulrar | I don't understand why it keep asking for password |
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| 12:39.13 | peetaur2 | did you edit with visudo? |
| 12:39.18 | Ulrar | yes |
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| 12:44.08 | ByT3b0N3 | we have some migrations in active directory area. have I to worry about some applications could have trouble, because uid of the users was changed but they can access their homes |
| 12:44.18 | ByT3b0N3 | how is it managed? with usernames or usernames as aliases for uids |
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| 12:49.22 | jelly | ByT3b0N3: filesystems and processes only know about numeric values of uids; if the users have files outside of their $HOME, those would need changing ownerships of |
| 12:49.44 | jelly | ByT3b0N3: eg. crontabs, mail in /var/mail/ if any |
| 12:49.59 | ByT3b0N3 | ok thx |
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| 13:03.04 | LordDeath | do you guys now an idiot-proof tutorial to setup dovecot with postfix? |
| 13:03.18 | jelly | LordDeath: mail is _not_ idiot-proof |
| 13:03.19 | LordDeath | so that I will not destroy the internet by accident :) |
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| 13:04.54 | peetaur2 | LordDeath: I found the debian howto quite good (but if I remember correctly, sucked by suggesting md5 for passwords somewhere, wth?, which I changed to salt+sha512) |
| 13:05.10 | peetaur2 | (or was that exim ....) |
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| 13:08.44 | LordDeath | currently my setup is using Zarafa with Postfix and I don't think that just switching this line in my main.cf will be enough to switch the mail server: mailbox_command = /usr/bin/zarafa-dagent "$USER" |
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| 13:09.48 | Brigo | LordDeath, may be the one at workarround.org |
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| 13:10.53 | LordDeath | Brigo: bookmarked :) |
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| 13:11.05 | LordDeath | this is what I am looking for |
| 13:11.07 | ghostlines | hi, if I rename an initscript will it still run after reboot? |
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| 13:11.22 | LordDeath | not some "paste this whole text into your config file and that it works"-tutorials |
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| 13:14.46 | jelly | LordDeath: now go fix the typo in that https://workaround.org/ bookmark |
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| 13:15.17 | Gear_ | hello, I just installed debian 7.5 with gnome |
| 13:15.27 | Gear_ | now I need the nonfree firmware |
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| 13:18.34 | Gear_ | for my wifi card |
| 13:19.37 | Gear_ | is there a way to scan for all missing drivers or firmware |
| 13:19.41 | Gear_ | and get them? |
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| 13:20.38 | jelly | Gear_: if you provide the "lspci -nn" line for your card, someone might help figure out which dirver you need |
| 13:20.58 | Gear_ | how do I get that |
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| 13:21.42 | jelly | that's a command. Run it in a terminal |
| 13:22.12 | jelly | figure out which line might be your wireless, and paste just that one like here |
| 13:22.17 | jelly | one line* |
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| 13:24.01 | ByT3b0N3 | jelly: we have two machines for testing. one is in an old domain and the other in new one |
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| 13:24.15 | ByT3b0N3 | after we migrate the user his id is changed |
| 13:24.24 | ByT3b0N3 | (second system) |
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| 13:24.35 | ByT3b0N3 | we can not log in on the first one |
| 13:25.09 | ByT3b0N3 | if we change his id on the first one should we also change all permissions anywhere (user)? |
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| 13:25.51 | jelly | ByT3b0N3: you should change ownership for all his files, yes |
| 13:25.58 | ByT3b0N3 | ok thx |
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| 13:26.19 | ByT3b0N3 | but also with id change? (for login) |
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| 13:26.59 | jpinx | ByT3b0N3: when you rsync the users /home/dir you just chown the whole thing to the new username |
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| 13:28.33 | jpinx | ByT3b0N3: I found it easier to create a new user in the new name and then rsync everything into that home dir and chown it |
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| 13:29.34 | ahuemer | hi all. i am on jessie and because of that got systemd. when bootup in finished the screen is cleared before i am presented with a login prompt (i do not use a graphical login manager). how can i get rid of that screen clearing? the only hint i found was https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Disable_Clearing_of_Boot_Messages which did not help me |
| 13:32.21 | jelly | ahuemer: ask on irc.debian.org in #debian-next channel if noone answers here |
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| 13:33.08 | Iridos | is there a package to get files from android? jmtpfs seems to fail for me... I guess I can mail myself stuff %-/ |
| 13:33.42 | themill | Iridos: the airdroid app seems to be the easiest way |
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| 13:34.39 | Iridos | oh, actually... saying "install pc software" on the device made it visible in nautilus |
| 13:34.42 | Iridos | o_O |
| 13:34.45 | ByT3b0N3 | jpinx: thx |
| 13:36.22 | Iridos | not that it's properly mounted |
| 13:36.50 | Iridos | uh... and that shows pictures that were on my n900... so it's just some cache |
| 13:36.52 | Iridos | *weird* |
| 13:37.01 | Iridos | themill, I'll check it out, thanks |
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| 13:39.13 | lmat | My wife is at home using the computer. How can I, here at work, use the x server? |
| 13:40.09 | HicksD | use her session or your own? x11vnc for the former, any other vnc for the latter, or just ssh -X to use with xforwarding. |
| 13:40.12 | Iridos | lmat, can you ssh into the home computer? |
| 13:40.34 | HicksD | if using vnc though, check out the way to tunnel over ssh for security. |
| 13:41.14 | Gear_ | lspci -nn does that show all the missing firmware? |
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| 13:41.44 | Gear_ | there's a lot of stuff that comes up when I type that |
| 13:41.46 | lmat | Do I need to start a new X session (on a different TTY, and different $DISPLAY?) and start a VNC server attached to the new X, or is there a way to make |
| 13:41.49 | lmat | Iridos: yes. |
| 13:42.08 | lmat | HicksD: Oh yeah, good point, it would be fun to both use the same desktop at the same time ^_^ |
| 13:42.29 | lmat | HicksD: thanks for the suggestion (vnc over ssh) |
| 13:42.32 | Iridos | lmat, then you can connect to the existing X using x11vnc if you ssh in using the same account |
| 13:42.40 | Iridos | surely we have a factoid... |
| 13:42.44 | Iridos | dpkg, x11vnc |
| 13:42.44 | dpkg | x11vnc is a <VNC> server for displaying the running X session. Ask me about <vnc setup> to use with SSH. http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/faq.html |
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| 13:42.49 | lmat | Iridos: Can I join X on my account while she's using x on her account ? |
| 13:42.57 | lmat | I'm very familiar with x11vnc ^_^ |
| 13:43.04 | HicksD | for your own account you'd use normal vnc |
| 13:43.04 | lmat | dpkg: vnc setup |
| 13:43.04 | dpkg | [vnc setup] Install <x11vnc> on the remote host and a VNC viewer (e.g. xtightvncviewer, xvnc4viewer) on the local computer; Locally: ssh -C -L 5900:localhost:5900 remotehost; Remote run: x11vnc -display :0; Locally: vncviewer localhost; that's it! VNC securely tunneled over SSH! |
| 13:43.06 | Iridos | lmat, then you need to start your own X server (obviously) |
| 13:43.23 | HicksD | x11vnc if for controllnig the active physical session which would be your wifes if she's using the pc |
| 13:43.24 | Gear_ | does lspci -nn show ALL the missing firmware? |
| 13:43.29 | lmat | Iridos: Okay, I think that's the (obvious) information that I needed ^_^ |
| 13:43.31 | Gear_ | because if so, there's a lot |
| 13:43.37 | Iridos | lmat, and then I'd start vnc4server on a different display (x11vnc can do it, but... seemed more complicated to do that for me) |
| 13:43.39 | lmat | HicksD: okay, good, thanks. |
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| 13:43.51 | Gear_ | more than 10 things |
| 13:44.11 | lmat | Iridos: vnc4server is a different vnc server (different than x11vnc?)? |
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| 13:45.23 | jelly | lmat: yes. vnc4server is standalone. x11vnc only connects to an existing X session |
| 13:45.39 | lmat | jelly: So vnc4server starts its own X session ? |
| 13:45.41 | Iridos | lmat, vnc4server by default starts a fresh (virtual) x server... x11vnc by default tries to connect to an existing one |
| 13:45.43 | jelly | correct! |
| 13:45.47 | lmat | aww, interesting! |
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| 13:46.02 | Iridos | jelly, x11vnc can also start its own... but I keep forgetting how |
| 13:46.04 | Iridos | :) |
| 13:46.20 | f-a | hello debianers. I was lookin at sources list and found "wheezy-updates main". After searching around, I think I got what it is (updated that will end up in any case in the next point release). Question: does that add/detract anything from the security of the system? (as an example: adding backports detracts a little something because it's not manages by the security team). |
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| 13:56.05 | Gear_ | lspci -nn |
| 13:56.13 | Gear_ | does this show ALL the missing firmware? |
| 13:56.32 | Gear_ | please tell me, I have to get this wireless card working asap! |
| 13:56.46 | Gear_ | and if so, there's a fair few things! |
| 13:57.07 | peetaur2 | lspci -nn lists PCI devices and the id codes ... it does not list firmware |
| 13:57.45 | Gear_ | ok while installing debian it said there was a missing nonfree firmware for my wifi card |
| 13:57.48 | Gear_ | I don't know how to find it |
| 13:58.07 | Gear_ | this is a thinkpad x220t |
| 13:58.28 | themill | Gear_: you were going to put the output of "lspci -nn" into paste.debian.net for us |
| 13:58.37 | jhutchins | Gear_: The wifi chipset should be identified. Any device that is only identified by the eight character code is unrecognized. |
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| 13:58.53 | jhutchins | Gear_: dmesg | grep firmware may tell you what you're looking for. |
| 14:00.21 | martius | Hi, is there a way to get an early access to a console during system's init? Especially, while it's running checkfs so I can check that the process isn't hanging? Thanks! |
| 14:00.26 | Gear_ | http://paste.debian.net/105289/ |
| 14:00.43 | Gear_ | it looks like it's recognised but it isn't working |
| 14:00.52 | Gear_ | I don't know, I'm brand new to debian and gnome |
| 14:01.12 | themill | you'd need the firmware-iwlwifi package for that chip |
| 14:01.14 | Gear_ | gnome is missing a lot of the config options that kde has even though I like the general layout better |
| 14:01.28 | Gear_ | can you please tell me how to get it? |
| 14:01.57 | themill | Gear_: I assume you currently have a wired network connection for this machine? |
| 14:02.09 | Gear_ | yup |
| 14:02.13 | Gear_ | I'm using it |
| 14:02.31 | themill | dpkg: tell Gear_ about non-free sources |
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| 14:02.56 | themill | Gear_: after editing your sources as dpkg said, apt-get update; apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi |
| 14:03.32 | Gear_ | I *think* I did that in a gui |
| 14:03.44 | Gear_ | in the synaptics package manager? |
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| 14:04.51 | lmat | sudo apt-get install elinks; returns "E: Unable to locate package elinks". I have deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 14:05.06 | lmat | and http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free |
| 14:05.25 | lmat | Oh, I probably need http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy (not -updates) main contrib, right ? |
| 14:05.47 | Gear_ | what do I edit it with, I'm brand new to debian |
| 14:05.49 | themill | lmat: yes, but please use a different mirror that is closer |
| 14:05.58 | lmat | themill: oh, okay :) |
| 14:06.13 | lmat | Gear_: sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 14:06.20 | themill | Gear_: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi" for me? |
| 14:07.01 | Gear_ | it says none none |
| 14:08.20 | Gear_ | themill: http://paste.debian.net/105291/ |
| 14:09.06 | lmat | themill: Thanks for the suggestion. I'm going to https://www.debian.org/mirror/list to find a mirror. I want to use mirrors.linux.iu.edu, so I changed all the ftp.debian.org to mirrors.linux.iu.edu, but now it doesn't work. Is there a trick? ^_^ |
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| 14:09.31 | lmat | oh, the website says /linux/debian. I think that might be important. |
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| 14:10.14 | lmat | much better |
| 14:10.18 | lmat | themill: got it, thanks again |
| 14:11.21 | lmat | aw, crap. After all that, elinks doesn't seem to display my cisco wireless router's webpage well at all :( |
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| 14:11.39 | Gear_ | I am also getting a ghosting effect |
| 14:11.48 | Gear_ | after a window is closed the contents are very faintly visible |
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| 14:11.56 | Gear_ | against the stock debian backdrop |
| 14:12.19 | lmat | Gear_: wow. That sounds like a monitor problem... |
| 14:12.29 | Gear_ | it's a thinkpad x220t |
| 14:12.34 | Gear_ | and it never did that before |
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| 14:12.51 | Gear_ | this. it never did this before. |
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| 14:13.44 | SixtyFold | anyone could explain to me or point me to a link with an explanation to why iceweasel is the chosen default browser? |
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| 14:14.05 | lmat | SixtyFold: I noticed that yesterday and uninstalled immediately ^_^ |
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| 14:14.21 | Gear_ | it seems anything not free isn't allowed |
| 14:14.34 | lmat | Gear_: Very much allowed, but not default. |
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| 14:14.47 | OpenTokix | SixtyFold: Its the only free modern browser? |
| 14:15.12 | SixtyFold | i don't know, i always remove it and put something else in |
| 14:15.16 | Walex | SixtyFold: that sort of is accidental. |
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| 14:15.35 | Gear_ | I'd prefer firefox |
| 14:15.38 | OpenTokix | SixtyFold: The other free browsers, arent that capable |
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| 14:15.45 | Gear_ | firefox is free? |
| 14:15.48 | OpenTokix | Gear_: it is firefox, apart from logo and name |
| 14:15.51 | Walex | SixtyFold: however the main reason if I were to choose a default browser is that it has frequent security releases. |
| 14:15.53 | Gear_ | oh |
| 14:15.58 | OpenTokix | Gear_: firefox is trademarked |
| 14:16.06 | zykotick9 | !why iceweasel |
| 14:16.06 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. Mozilla Corp revoked the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg> <iceweasel vs firefox>. |
| 14:16.08 | Gear_ | and? |
| 14:16.10 | SixtyFold | and it's many versions behind firefox |
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| 14:16.34 | petern_ | Welcome to Debian Stable. |
| 14:16.35 | themill | SixtyFold: no it's not. |
| 14:16.35 | SixtyFold | zykotick9: thanks |
| 14:16.36 | lmat | Iridos: x11vnc -create ^_^ |
| 14:16.47 | Walex | SixtyFold: "many versions behind firefox" no, you are confusing the ESR versions with the rolling ones. |
| 14:17.03 | Iridos | lmat, right |
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| 14:17.12 | Gear_ | if it's not different to firefox then I'll keep it, but when closing lots of tabs there wasn't a "save everything and close" option |
| 14:17.18 | Walex | SixtyFold: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/ |
| 14:17.19 | Iridos | lmat, didn't say it was hard, just that I keep forgetting |
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| 14:17.37 | lmat | Iridos: And others that are cool: -xdummy -xvnc -xvnc_redinect -xdummy_xvfb -create_xsrv, etc ^_^ |
| 14:17.39 | Gear_ | is anyone still bothering with my wifi card firmware? :) |
| 14:17.50 | Walex | Gear_: that is usually handled by Firefox addons, like Tab Mix plus |
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| 14:18.02 | Gear_ | firefox must come with a lot of addons then |
| 14:18.04 | Walex | Gear_: or alternative Session Manager |
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| 14:18.32 | Walex | Gear_: Firefox/Iceweasel have a library of hundreds of addons, some of them doing fairly trivial stuff. |
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| 14:19.06 | Walex | Gear_: but some of the addons are very widely used to improve customizability of base Firefox/IceWeasel |
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| 14:19.44 | Gear_ | ok I'm mainly concerned with my wifi card at the moment |
| 14:19.49 | Walex | Gear_: some addons are packaged by Debian with names beginning with "xul", but the packages are also pretty old, so usually and regrettably it is better to use the Addon manager |
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| 14:19.57 | Gear_ | this is a thinkpad x220tablet |
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| 14:21.09 | Walex | Gear_: I may have already noticed something about that. Either it was not having 'non-free' in your APT sources, or perhaps you need to wait for a newer backported kernel, as a popular chipset used in lenovo products is only supported well in 3.16 and later |
| 14:21.40 | Gear_ | what do you mean wait? |
| 14:21.47 | ctmjr | Gear_: did you do what themill and the bot told you to do |
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| 14:22.05 | Gear_ | what was that? |
| 14:22.53 | Gear_ | which kernel does debian stable use? |
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| 14:23.10 | Gear_ | I had a later version than 3.16 in mageia |
| 14:23.16 | ctmjr | dpkg: tell Gear_ about non-free sources |
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| 14:23.20 | Walex | Gear_: if your lenovo uses the rtl8723au chipset for Wifi, you need kernel 3.15 or later. |
| 14:23.52 | Walex | Gear_: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY1OTQ |
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| 14:24.34 | ctmjr | 10:02:56] < themill> Gear_: after editing your sources as dpkg said, apt-get update; apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 14:25.40 | SixtyFold | is there a way to say this that would be shorter, "sudo apt-get install finch && sudo apt-get install irssi"? |
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| 14:26.41 | ctmjr | apt-get install finch irssi |
| 14:26.53 | SixtyFold | ctmjr: oh, cool, thanks |
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| 14:28.38 | lmat | How do I run a script (specifically, I want to run x11vnc) when a user logs in ? |
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| 14:28.58 | lmat | I'm expecting it to run as that user, exposing his desktop. |
| 14:29.15 | lmat | Now I'm thinking that may be wrong. |
| 14:29.33 | lmat | I think we just need one x11vnc for the X instance. So, how do I make x11vnc start with X? |
| 14:29.49 | lmat | (I couldn't find anything online, perhaps becuase it's easier than I could imagine!) |
| 14:30.08 | OpenTokix | lmat: So you can attach to a users x11-session? |
| 14:30.17 | lmat | OpenTokix: That's what I want to do, yes. |
| 14:30.29 | OpenTokix | lmat: there is tools to attach to a running x11 session |
| 14:30.33 | OpenTokix | if you are root |
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| 14:30.43 | lmat | OpenTokix: I'm root. My wife is logged into X (not root) |
| 14:31.22 | OpenTokix | lmat: iirc x11vnc let you attach to a runing x11 session |
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| 14:31.36 | lmat | OpenTokix: Oh, well, that could be good enough. I'll take a look |
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| 14:32.19 | Gear_ | vim isn't installed |
| 14:32.26 | Gear_ | which editor IS installed |
| 14:32.34 | lmat | Gear_: try vi |
| 14:32.36 | formorer | nano |
| 14:32.38 | OpenTokix | Gear_: nano probably |
| 14:32.43 | lmat | Gear_: (but you should probably sudo apt-get install vim; ) |
| 14:33.02 | Gear_ | vim? is that the one where you have to ctrl+w and other shit to write it |
| 14:33.18 | peetaur2 | Gear_: vi is nearly always installed, and you can install vim or emacs or whatever you want. |
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| 14:35.25 | Gear_ | do this as root? |
| 14:35.37 | lmat | Gear_: Are you editing /etc/apt/sources.list ? (if so, yes) |
| 14:35.41 | Gear_ | I don't know how to use vim |
| 14:35.46 | Gear_ | is there one that makes sense |
| 14:35.48 | lmat | Gear_: :( |
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| 14:36.08 | ctmjr | use nano |
| 14:36.09 | formorer | Gear_: as I said. nano |
| 14:37.03 | peetaur2 | nano is the easy one, vim is not easy at all. vimtutor will get you going, but now is not the time. |
| 14:37.27 | Gear_ | now is a bit of a rush to get things working |
| 14:39.41 | lmat | OpenTokix: I had already tried x11vnc -display :0; but it didn't work, so I assumed I was doing it wrong. I did it as root, and everything is smooth as cream :) |
| 14:40.11 | Gear_ | just the first two mirrors? make them end with non-free ? |
| 14:40.22 | Gear_ | contrib non-free |
| 14:40.31 | lmat | Gear_: probably not. |
| 14:40.32 | Gear_ | or all of them? |
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| 14:40.39 | lmat | Gear_: If I know what you're doing, I did it just yesterday ^_^ |
| 14:40.45 | lmat | Gear_: I'll take a look at what I did. |
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| 14:40.53 | Gear_ | thanks |
| 14:41.13 | Gear_ | they end in: main contrib |
| 14:41.14 | lmat | Gear_: deb <mirror url> wheezy-updates main contrib non-free |
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| 14:41.31 | lmat | Gear_: *and* deb <mirror url> wheezy main contrib |
| 14:41.45 | lmat | Gear_: that first parameter is the repository name ("wheezy" or "wheezy-updates") |
| 14:41.51 | lmat | Gear_: (And I trust others will correct me if I'm wrong!) |
| 14:42.04 | lmat | Gear_: And the next parameters tell which ... section (?) you want from that repo. |
| 14:42.28 | Gear_ | so wheezy ends with main contrib |
| 14:42.31 | lmat | Gear_: oh, I was thinking of backports... deb <mirror url> wheezy-backports main non-free contrib |
| 14:42.37 | Gear_ | wheezy updates ends with main contrib non-free |
| 14:42.40 | OpenTokix | lmat: did you login driectly as root, with x-forwarding? |
| 14:43.07 | lmat | OpenTokix: I doubt it. My wife is logged in at home as herself. I am logged in as myself over SSH. |
| 14:43.14 | lmat | OpenTokix: I ran sudo x11vnc -display :0; |
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| 14:43.24 | lmat | Gear_: What are you trying to do ? get firefox? |
| 14:43.35 | Gear_ | get the firmware for my wifi card |
| 14:43.50 | Gear_ | so I can use wifi instead of this incredibly short lan cable |
| 14:43.55 | lmat | Gear_: I think you should be good to go ^_^ |
| 14:44.04 | lmat | Gear_: Yeah, nobody likes short cables |
| 14:44.09 | Gear_ | I'll paste it to pastebin first |
| 14:44.19 | Gear_ | I don't want this broken |
| 14:44.58 | lmat | Gear_: yeah, it would be unfortunate. But not terrible, at least you would still have IRC ^_^ |
| 14:45.35 | Gear_ | can you pastebin your setup please |
| 14:45.38 | Gear_ | so I can just copy that |
| 14:45.56 | lmat | Gear_: I'm happy to, but I didn't do that. I wanted to install ... what was it... |
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| 14:46.04 | lmat | Gear_: Oh yeah, flash plugin. So I needed backports. |
| 14:46.13 | Gear_ | I installed the flash plugin |
| 14:46.26 | Gear_ | from the synaptics package manager after enabling something |
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| 14:48.27 | lmat | Gear_: Sorry it's taking a while :( |
| 14:48.37 | lmat | Gear_: I have to get it from another computer, so I'm installing the sprunge thing |
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| 14:50.02 | lmat | http://sprunge.us/bbKH |
| 14:50.20 | lmat | Gear_: A few notes: the first four are for DVDs that I used for my package repository before I had internet access (which I got yesterday) |
| 14:50.44 | lmat | Gear_: Then, the last five use a mirror close to me: mirrors.linux.iu.edu. You should replace with a mirror close to you (but feel free to use this one!) |
| 14:50.45 | Gear_ | ok, is it wheezy updates that I add non-free to |
| 14:50.53 | lmat | Gear_: I don't know. |
| 14:50.56 | Gear_ | I'm using an australian mirror for both |
| 14:51.16 | brad | can anyone tell me what causes this ( http://i.imgsafe.org/12ac569.png ) and how to prevent it? server gets completely locked up (40+ load) and only hard reset fixes it |
| 14:52.33 | Walex | brad: try using a different kernel version |
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| 14:52.52 | Gear_ | debian is nothing but a headache so far |
| 14:53.02 | Gear_ | what is the big deal about non free stuff |
| 14:53.15 | CissWit | not a big deal, just a different repository |
| 14:53.16 | lmat | Gear_: yes, if you think there's no big deal between free and nonfree, debian will be an headache. |
| 14:53.28 | lmat | Gear_: debian *may* be an headache ^_^ |
| 14:53.40 | Gear_ | not if it's something the user needs to tick and verify |
| 14:53.44 | Gear_ | why didn't they just do that |
| 14:53.50 | Gear_ | instead of manually editing config files |
| 14:54.13 | Gear_ | I am still unclear, do I add non-free to the wheezy updates mirrors |
| 14:54.14 | lmat | Gear_: Good question, and too difficult to answer right now. |
| 14:54.15 | Gear_ | all of them |
| 14:54.15 | brad | Walex: what is it though?? |
| 14:54.24 | lmat | Gear_: Still don't know :( |
| 14:54.30 | lmat | Gear_: You can add it to all of them |
| 14:54.34 | Walex | brad: a kernel bug most likely |
| 14:54.39 | lmat | Gear_: If you make a mistake, apt-get update; will tell you. |
| 14:54.44 | Gear_ | add it to all of them? |
| 14:54.51 | brad | Walex: ah :( |
| 14:55.00 | Gear_ | can someone else confirm if this is a good idea |
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| 14:56.14 | Gear_ | PLEASE answer my question |
| 14:56.19 | lmat | Gear_: Yesterday, I made a lot of bad changes to my sources.list. The worst thing that happened is apt-get says "I can't find that there." |
| 14:56.36 | Gear_ | ok I don't want to know what NOT to do, but thanks for trying to help |
| 14:56.36 | lmat | Gear_: But I agree, asking OpenTokix or someone else may be a good idea ^_^ |
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| 14:57.11 | brad | Walex: any kernel version you'd recommend? currently on 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 14:57.20 | Gear_ | I'm openly asking |
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| 14:57.21 | zykotick9 | !tell Gear about non-free sources |
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| 14:57.37 | Gear_ | it doesn't say which ones to alter! |
| 14:57.54 | Gear_ | what ARE the two main debian mirror lines |
| 14:57.56 | petn-randall | Gear_: If it's a good idea? Don't use non-free if you can live without it, but it's a matter of "Do I like non-free software?". So there's no "yes/no" answer to that question. |
| 14:58.08 | Gear_ | of course I like non free software |
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| 14:58.15 | Gear_ | I need non free software |
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| 14:58.28 | Gear_ | especially if things like flash and the firmware for my wifi card is in that |
| 14:58.32 | CissWit | just add non-free to every lines, it cannot hurt |
| 14:58.35 | Gear_ | I've paid for all of this |
| 14:58.39 | petn-randall | Gear_: Every line that ends with 'main', add 'contrib non-free' to it. |
| 14:58.45 | Gear_ | I've paid money for all these things, I own it, now it needs to work |
| 14:58.47 | CissWit | and contrib too yes |
| 14:59.02 | Gear_ | ok thanks! |
| 14:59.03 | petn-randall | Gear_: I'm pretty sure you don't own the firmware ... |
| 14:59.12 | Gear_ | I own the hardware and that's enough |
| 14:59.15 | Gear_ | I paid the manufacturer |
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| 14:59.49 | Gear_ | whether they want it only used with microsoft is none of my concern, I'll use MY computer how I want |
| 14:59.58 | Gear_ | I paid for the hardware, and that paid for the software |
| 14:59.59 | CissWit | we do agree |
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| 15:00.31 | Gear_ | it's a package bundle, I paid money for all of it, and I wil have it run on anything I want it to run on |
| 15:00.38 | zykotick9 | CissWit: ahhh, i don't. by using non-free Gear_ is actually giving up control of his hardware to the non-free software owners... |
| 15:01.06 | petn-randall | +1 |
| 15:01.09 | Gear_ | well, I have paid for it, I need it to work, they have given me no option |
| 15:01.10 | CissWit | well, i agree that he should be able to use his hardware as he wants |
| 15:01.42 | petn-randall | Gear_: You could always pick hardware that doesn't need non-free firmware to function ... |
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| 15:01.56 | Gear_ | this computer didn't have the option |
| 15:02.03 | Gear_ | it's a thinkpad x220t |
| 15:02.18 | Gear_ | if I built it, I might have that luxury, it's a small ultraportable tablet convertible laptop |
| 15:02.24 | Gear_ | it did not have that option |
| 15:02.41 | Gear_ | could you please tell me how to get the firmware again? |
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| 15:04.06 | Gear_ | will the package manager do it? |
| 15:04.11 | Gear_ | now that the sources are added? |
| 15:05.11 | petn-randall | Gear_: You didn't paste your 'lspci -nn' AFAICS, so we can only gues which firmware you need. Since it's a Lenovo, I'm guessing firmware-iwlwifi |
| 15:05.15 | ctmjr | Gear_: apt-get update then apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 15:05.51 | Gear_ | thanks!! |
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| 15:06.10 | epsas | hello - I was wondering if anyone had advice for installing debian on a newer EFI laptop? |
| 15:06.41 | petn-randall | epsas: Make sure you deactivate all CSM / legacy mode in the setup before installing. |
| 15:07.02 | epsas | petn-randall - thanks! |
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| 15:08.27 | Gear_ | do I need to restart now |
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| 15:09.01 | Gear_ | how do I get firmware for the other things |
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| 15:11.08 | lmat | It looks like I accidentally uninstalled gnome.. |
| 15:11.16 | lmat | should I just sudo apt-get install gnome; ? |
| 15:11.21 | lmat | or is it gnome3 or something? |
| 15:11.24 | Gear_ | it looks like I shouldn't be taking advice from you :) |
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| 15:11.46 | lmat | Gear_: ^_^ |
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| 15:12.14 | CissWit | Gear_: you can try to modprobe iwlwifi |
| 15:12.17 | CissWit | see if it loads |
| 15:12.28 | Gear_ | loads where? in the network devices? |
| 15:12.38 | lmat | Gear_: in the kernel ! :o |
| 15:12.53 | CissWit | if it worked it should add a network interface |
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| 15:13.03 | Gear_ | it didn't |
| 15:13.07 | CissWit | you can also check "dmesg" to find errors |
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| 15:13.48 | CissWit | you are using wheezy right ? |
| 15:14.09 | petn-randall | Gear_: Easiest is to just reboot. |
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| 15:14.42 | petn-randall | Gear_: You could also unload and load the kernel module, but then you'd need to kill stuff that access the wifi (network-manager, etc.) |
| 15:14.52 | petn-randall | *accesses |
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| 15:15.01 | Gear_ | I'm sure I'll be back but thanks for the help |
| 15:15.08 | Gear_ | everyone |
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| 15:50.49 | Gear_ | where do I find gnome themes? |
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| 15:52.23 | babilen | Gear_: Google for "themes gnome" and click the first result that comes up |
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| 15:52.43 | Gear_ | is there torrent software included with debian? |
| 15:53.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell Gear_ -about search |
| 15:53.07 | babilen | plenty |
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| 15:58.00 | psymin | Anyone have any tips for getting netflix to work under wheezy? |
| 15:58.40 | Gear_ | how about skype |
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| 15:59.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell Gear_ -about skype |
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| 15:59.36 | Gear_ | so empathy does it |
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| 15:59.40 | linux_n00by | is the .bashrc file used for login shells in debian? |
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| 16:01.38 | Gear_ | ktorrent was pretty damn good |
| 16:02.01 | babilen | linux_n00by: ~/.bash_profile typically sources it, yes |
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| 16:04.59 | wowaname | oh right channel |
| 16:06.01 | linux_n00by | so if I open up a non-login shell, the shell program reads the ~./bashrc file and if I start a login shell it reads from /etc/profile file first? |
| 16:06.35 | Deesl | dpkg: tell Deesl -about skype |
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| 16:07.57 | jhutchins | Gear_: I think there's at least one native Gnome client for torrent as well - ktorrent is meant to be integrated with KDE but can run in gnome with the right dependencies. |
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| 16:08.14 | weaktea | woah |
| 16:08.22 | weaktea | That was close |
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| 16:11.12 | Gear_ | Gnome does seem a bit limited with options compared to kde |
| 16:11.26 | Gear_ | is there a way of adding more? like some kind of advanced view? |
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| 16:11.47 | Gear_ | it seems like gnome is trying to look and feel like a mac |
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| 16:12.09 | Gear_ | I'm shopping around for a DE that doesn't look like F***ING windows |
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| 16:12.33 | Gear_ | gnome looks and acts pretty great so far but I'm finding it a bit limited |
| 16:12.35 | mtn | Gear_: tweak tool gives more options and there are gnome extensions, too |
| 16:12.46 | Gear_ | aewsome I'll try those |
| 16:13.01 | Gear_ | there's a lot I like about it but it's not as tweakable |
| 16:13.22 | mtn | Gear_: it isn't meant to be as tweakable as kde. that is not it's goal |
| 16:13.36 | Gear_ | yeah I know but I just thought "linux" = "do whatever you want" |
| 16:14.02 | mtn | Gear_: yes, that is right. you can use whichever desktop you like and even tweak the code, if you wish to. |
| 16:14.07 | Gear_ | I did say I'm shopping around |
| 16:14.29 | Gear_ | I'm not reading anyone's reviews because the desktop environment wars are so damn heated |
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| 16:14.59 | Gear_ | and people are screaming at each other that (whatever) DE is WORSE THAN CANCER |
| 16:15.14 | Gear_ | like this free stuff poeple made has ruined their life forever |
| 16:15.28 | mtn | Gear_: that is not really on topic here. did you have a debian question? |
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| 16:15.46 | Gear_ | sorry, yeah, tweaking gnome more before I try another de |
| 16:15.53 | petn-randall | Gear_: You're obviously looking at the wrong corners of the internet. There are quite a few sane, balanced reviews out there. |
| 16:16.11 | petn-randall | Gear_: Protip, don't ask 4chan for advice ;) |
| 16:16.12 | linux_n00by | lol |
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| 16:16.22 | Gear_ | I don't go on 4chan or even reddit |
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| 16:16.38 | Gear_ | I'll take that advice |
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| 16:19.13 | linux_n00by | what's a good source to learn more about debian's history for a n00by? I'm coming up with a bunch of opinions. I want facts. Suggestions? Please and ty |
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| 16:19.46 | mtn | linux_n00by: ever hear of wikipedia? |
| 16:20.02 | petn-randall | linux_n00by: Wikipedia? If you need more details, you need to ask a little more detailed questions. |
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| 16:21.52 | linux_n00by | just something more official than Wikipedia |
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| 16:22.43 | linux_n00by | nvm I found it lol |
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| 16:24.40 | Gear_ | can I merge a primary partition into an extended partition? |
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| 16:25.32 | Gear_ | I have a lenovo partition that has the boot stuff, a windows partition which currently holds all my backed up linux stuff and as an emergency, and I created a primary partition for this debian install with a logical partition for the swap |
| 16:25.55 | Gear_ | I can't seem to make another one to use the other 200gb of storage I have |
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| 16:26.13 | petn-randall | Gear_: GPT or msdos partition table? |
| 16:26.30 | Gear_ | I'm using gparted but even with swapoff I can't make another logical partition |
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| 16:26.55 | petn-randall | Gear_: Even if it's GPT, you should be able to make as many logical partitions as you want. Unless it lies physically before the physical partition holding the logical ones. |
| 16:27.03 | petn-randall | s/GPT/msdos/ |
| 16:27.22 | Gear_ | if what lies before it |
| 16:27.49 | Gear_ | can't I move it the partitions to the end of the disk or something |
| 16:27.59 | peetaur2 | I do not believe anyone should use the words "primary" or "logical" with GPT partitioning. |
| 16:28.05 | jhutchins | Gear_: I hope you're not backing up raw Linux files to a WIndows partition. You'll loose permissions and ownership. |
| 16:28.18 | Gear_ | just my data |
| 16:28.32 | Gear_ | movies and drawings I did and other stuff |
| 16:28.55 | petn-randall | peetaur2: I agree, but less experiences people tend to mix up terms. |
| 16:29.08 | Gear_ | what is GPT partitioning |
| 16:29.19 | petn-randall | Gear_: Wikipedia to the rescue! |
| 16:29.35 | Gear_ | if I have to do all this over again this laptop will become a frisbee |
| 16:29.58 | Gear_ | and my neighbours will find it through two smashed windows, one of them being mine |
| 16:32.21 | lmat | Gear_: It's usually less stressful if you learn linux on a non-mission-critical machine ^_^ |
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| 16:33.19 | petn-randall | Gear_: Make sure to throw it hard enough that it lands in my general direction. |
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| 16:33.48 | Gear_ | I can't afford to throw it even if I wanted to :/ |
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| 16:40.00 | Gear_ | I thought linux was the be all and end all of magical best OS in the world and windows was a cancerous piece of trash |
| 16:40.26 | Gear_ | anyway I can't delete my windows install until this all works like I want it to |
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| 16:40.44 | Gear_ | because my files are backed up on that partition |
| 16:41.16 | psymin | Gear_: is there something preventing you from backing everything up and starting over the way you want it to be? |
| 16:41.19 | Gear_ | though I honestly never boot it, so I will as soon as I'm sure debian will do what I want it to |
| 16:41.31 | Gear_ | mainly the backing up part? |
| 16:41.42 | Gear_ | I have a 2tb drive coming in the mail, that will help a lot |
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| 16:42.08 | Gear_ | but there's a lenovo partition that contains boot stuff |
| 16:42.11 | tty101 | why would you not first try out a livecd and determine that first. then you can wipe the HDD if you decide to install |
| 16:42.20 | Gear_ | then a windows one |
| 16:42.30 | Gear_ | then I created a primary partition for this debian install |
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| 16:42.44 | Gear_ | and then I didn't realise the swap woudl be a primary partition |
| 16:43.15 | Gear_ | 4 is the max |
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| 16:46.16 | tty101 | anyone know if curl or wget can take xpath arguments to return only specific parts of a page? |
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| 17:05.36 | gjks | does the dvd installation require network access? |
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| 17:06.27 | mtn | gjks: require, no. |
| 17:06.47 | gjks | mtn: thanks |
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| 17:07.31 | rawburt | Brigo: yes, all is well |
| 17:07.32 | rawburt | thanks again |
| 17:08.25 | TheAlien | hey, debian 7.5, i installed openfire 3.9.3 [dpkg] no prob, everything went normally, server was running. had to downgrade to 3.7.1. so i did apt-get remove --purge openfire, fine, then installed 3.7.1 with dpkg, looks fine til 'setting up openfire (3.7.1)...' at which point it suddenly goes slient where i expect 'processing triggers' etc. service openfire start gives no error but returns to cmd prompt immediately. server not answering on ports and n |
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| 17:12.01 | petn-randall | TheAlien: Your message is truncated at 'server not answering on ports and n'. |
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| 17:13.15 | Guest011O2 | hey mates, i recently needed to force shutdown my system... and when i powered on again the whole system where back to where it was.. how is this possible ? |
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| 17:14.18 | petn-randall | Guest011O2: You mean it cleanly booted? |
| 17:15.15 | Guest011O2 | petn-randall: it jumped directly back to the system as where i needed to force poweroff |
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| 17:17.15 | giovi_321 | Hi everybody |
| 17:17.16 | Guest011O2 | and normally it doesnt it |
| 17:17.23 | giovi_321 | how do I kill a service ran by systemctl? |
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| 17:17.34 | Guest011O2 | giovi_321: kill -9 pid |
| 17:17.56 | giovi_321 | oh! |
| 17:17.59 | giovi_321 | thank you :) |
| 17:18.16 | mtn | giovi_321: or systemctl stop nameofprogram |
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| 17:18.36 | giovi_321 | like "ystemctl stop usbplug.service"? |
| 17:19.01 | giovi_321 | given that usbplug.service is a service I created |
| 17:19.20 | Guest011O2 | well, could it BE possible that, the system could reuse the ram, because i directly powered on again or what? |
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| 17:20.20 | TheAlien | hey, debian 7.5, i installed openfire 3.9.3 [dpkg] no prob, everything went normally, server was running. had to downgrade to 3.7.1. so i did apt-get remove --purge openfire, fine, then installed 3.7.1 with dpkg, looks fine til 'setting up openfire (3.7.1)...' |
| 17:20.29 | TheAlien | at which point it suddenly goes slient where i expect 'processing triggers' etc. service openfire start gives no error but returns to cmd prompt immediately. server not answering on ports and not appearing in ps list. thoughts?? thanks!! |
| 17:21.37 | Gear_ | I created a primary partition for debian |
| 17:21.44 | Gear_ | how do I change that to an extended one |
| 17:22.29 | Gear_ | I can't get the shit OFF my windows partition to delete that install |
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| 17:22.50 | Gear_ | so I have one boot partition, one windows one, a debian one and a swap, that's all the possible partitions |
| 17:22.53 | mtn | Gear_: you would use gparted from a live disk: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gparted.html |
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| 17:23.00 | Guest011O2 | TheAlien: whats openfire? i quess its a problem of the program not debian |
| 17:23.08 | lucas_2014 | hi. what is it? upstart: amd64 conflicts with sysvinit:amd64 |
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| 17:23.17 | Gear_ | am I going to ever need the usb stick I installed debian with again? |
| 17:23.24 | Gear_ | because I have one usb stick :/ |
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| 17:23.46 | mtn | Gear_: I would keep it , it can come in handy, but you can always burn it again later. |
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| 17:24.09 | TheAlien | ...i guess we could start with, anyone know why debian dpkg install would stop at 'setting up...' and not go nuts talking about processing triggers and init and manpages? 'setting up' seems like an inappropriate place for the OS to stop without any sort of error message, dont you think? |
| 17:24.41 | TheAlien | openfire is a java-based chat platform by the way... 3.7.1 definitely worked for millions of debian people before the later versions were released |
| 17:24.59 | TheAlien | this isnt like a new package file or anything, know what i mean? |
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| 17:26.17 | TheAlien | can apt-get remove --purge still leave behind stuff that could affect the next install? |
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| 17:29.20 | Guest011O2 | hey mates, i recently needed to force shutdown my system... and when i powered on again the whole system where back to where it was.. how is this possible ? |
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| 17:29.56 | mtn | Guest011O2: sounds like you actually used hibernate |
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| 17:30.12 | giovi_321 | How can I set a variable as date in a bash script and make sure that the date does not change? Let's say I want to create a file called $now.txt [now=(date +"%H-%M-%S")] and after a couple of minutes I want to email this file as an attachment using sendemail -a "$now". The time has changed since I created the file so the variable called when the file is created is different from the variable |
| 17:30.12 | giovi_321 | when the file is sent as an attachment. |
| 17:30.18 | Guest011O2 | mtn: yea, BEFORE i needed to kill switch |
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| 17:31.05 | Guest011O2 | mtn: than i was in the passwd decrypting hdd state ... and i screwed up there so i needed to kill switch |
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| 17:31.57 | mtn | Guest011O2: are you saying you did tell it to hibernate? |
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| 17:33.05 | Guest011O2 | mtn: at first yes, but it didnt hibernate, my system went on again so i needed to login again |
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| 17:34.29 | Guest011O2 | anyways it was AWESOME, and i want that it always behave like that |
| 17:34.54 | Guest011O2 | full system restore after forced poweroff |
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| 17:35.28 | Guest011O2 | lol does anyone get me> |
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| 17:39.09 | DammitJim | in order to set up a samba share, one has to create a user at the OS level, and then assign the password for samba (the password can be different than that of the OS user)? |
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| 17:41.05 | gregor2 | hi |
| 17:41.10 | Mousey | hi |
| 17:41.22 | gregor2 | just testing my client! XD |
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| 17:42.31 | jelly-home | dpkg, welcome gregor2 |
| 17:42.31 | dpkg | jelly-home: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 17:42.39 | jelly-home | dpkg, greet gregor2 |
| 17:42.39 | dpkg | Welcome, gregor2 |
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| 17:45.16 | gregor2 | have to leave and reconnect again! |
| 17:45.17 | gregor2 | sorry |
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| 17:55.06 | temhaa | hi |
| 17:55.19 | temhaa | I dist upgraded squeeze to wheezy |
| 17:55.31 | temhaa | and Im using unattended update |
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| 17:56.07 | temhaa | It gets Packages with upgradable origin but kept backs: ia32-libs |
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| 17:56.36 | temhaa | what is it mean |
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| 17:59.02 | zykotick9 | temhaa: ia32-libs is a transitional package in wheezy (ie. it doesn't really exist). look into multiarch. |
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| 18:12.29 | DammitJim | if I haven't set up a password for a user, can one impersonate that user? |
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| 18:12.42 | DammitJim | I mean, there is no way to log on to the machine, right? |
| 18:12.42 | UltimateNate | I get a permission denied error when opening apt-get as su |
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| 18:16.31 | mtn | UltimateNate: can you do a su successfully? |
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| 18:17.41 | alphis | hey guys i am using python-beautifulsoup which has a known issue https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=516824 which is fixed in a newer package |
| 18:17.50 | alphis | any reason why my upgrades aren't getting this newer package? |
| 18:17.53 | UltimateNate | mtn: yes |
| 18:17.55 | UltimateNate | I'm logged in as root |
| 18:18.14 | mtn | UltimateNate: and then you get error with apt-get? as root? |
| 18:18.22 | UltimateNate | yes |
| 18:18.26 | UltimateNate | saying permission denied |
| 18:18.52 | mtn | UltimateNate: please paste the command and error that follows to http://paste.debian.net and give us the link |
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| 18:19.23 | alphis | any way i can get the newer package from wheezy despite using squeeze? |
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| 18:20.59 | tethra | alphis: backports? |
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| 18:22.13 | UltimateNate | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/0596d580/ |
| 18:22.21 | UltimateNate | such small name limit |
| 18:22.45 | Guest01102 | im recently investigating the live 7.5 debian iso.. there is a setup.exe can i delete it? |
| 18:23.01 | mtn | UltimateNate: that error usually means you have another package manager/updated open at the same time |
| 18:23.07 | mtn | updater, that is |
| 18:23.18 | UltimateNate | So what should i do then? |
| 18:23.25 | ompaul | Guest01102: can you delete something from an iso? |
| 18:23.56 | mtn | UltimateNate: close the others or reboot so they are closed before trying your command |
| 18:24.25 | UltimateNate | though i did apt-get install htop and then i did htop i got a segement fault error |
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| 18:26.43 | UltimateNate | Also when doing adduser i got ERROR: Some of the information you entered is invalid |
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| 18:27.03 | mtn | UltimateNate: I would suggest you solve one problem at a time ;) |
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| 18:29.29 | deego | In dpkg-reconfigure locales, do I have to manually select all utf8 one by one? Is there an easier way to do that? |
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| 18:30.24 | temhaa | zykotick9, I added i386 arch. But dpkg --print-architecture gets just amd64 |
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| 18:34.24 | zykotick9 | temhaa: sorry, i haven't used multiarch in quite some time... best of luck. |
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| 18:36.21 | jelly-home | Keridos: disable that away-nickname change while you're in this channel, please. IRC already has a flag to show you're away, use that instead. |
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| 18:37.41 | jelly-home | temhaa: did you read /msg dpkg multiarch howto |
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| 18:40.31 | temhaa | jelly, yes |
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| 18:47.50 | temhaa | jelly, so will be upgrade ia32-libs with unattended upgrade |
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| 18:50.47 | UltimateNate | Back |
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| 18:51.05 | UltimateNate | Anyways. How do i deal with the error when creating a user? |
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| 19:20.51 | MrAlexandro | if you use bind to port forward a port to a webserver with ssl on it. and you enter https://webadress.domain.tld and you can manouver through the site. Does that min that it is actually encryption or is it just an illusion because encryption only occurs between the debian computer set up with bind and the webserver. I assume there is encryption since it lets me youse the https protocoll and obviously must have recieved the self |
| 19:20.51 | MrAlexandro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:25.01 | jhutchins | MrAlexandro: I'm not sure what you mean by "bind". Surely not Berkeley Internet Name Daemon. |
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| 19:25.43 | MrAlexandro | jhutchins oh im sorry, i wrote incorrectly, i meant iptables entries for forwarding |
| 19:25.57 | LaunchDirector | how do i make screen flash in my taskbar, how do i enable bell |
| 19:26.14 | thiagoss | I'm building a custom kernel and it seems unable to mount my partitions. I use an encrypted setup here. The custom kernel is a specific revision of upstream, I copied my current kernel config to build it and also used update-initramfs to generate the initramfs. It still fails to boot, am I forgetting something about my encrypted setup for it to wok? |
| 19:26.19 | thiagoss | *work |
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| 19:27.22 | mtn | LaunchDirector: what is "screen flash"? |
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| 19:27.31 | LaunchDirector | im using putty |
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| 19:27.54 | LaunchDirector | and when someone hilights me i want the window to flash |
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| 19:28.04 | LaunchDirector | when its minimized |
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| 19:28.10 | alphis | how can i install a squeeze backport |
| 19:28.11 | alphis | ? |
| 19:28.11 | LaunchDirector | putty settings should be fine |
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| 19:28.29 | alphis | adding deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian squeeze-backports main contrib non-free doesn't work at all |
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| 19:29.21 | formorer | alphis: that is not what I wrote as sources.list entry in my documentation |
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| 19:29.45 | formorer | For squeeze add this line |
| 19:29.45 | alphis | oh where is your documentation then formorer |
| 19:29.46 | formorer | deb http://YOURMIRROR.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports(-sloppy) main |
| 19:29.51 | formorer | alphis: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 19:30.12 | alphis | wth |
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| 19:30.26 | crypto_guy | ext4 or ext3 in linux 2.6 ? |
| 19:30.32 | alphis | how next step.. where do i find mirrors with debian squeeze backports? |
| 19:30.40 | alphis | all i want is to fix thsi broken package that is fixed in wheezy |
| 19:30.46 | alphis | but im stick on squeeze |
| 19:30.48 | formorer | alphis: http://backports.debian.org/Mirrors/ |
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| 19:31.12 | alphis | thanks formorer |
| 19:31.14 | mtn | crypto_guy: what about it? |
| 19:31.59 | centrx | crypto_guy, ext4 is the current standard. There shouldn't be any problems with it in 2.6 |
| 19:32.32 | crypto_guy | i need FS with a stability, ext3 or ext4 in linux 2.6? the little server on vbox... |
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| 19:33.16 | crypto_guy | i see in linux updates topics about ext4... that was bug fixing? |
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| 19:33.53 | centrx | crypto_guy, Yes, 2.6 is only bug fixes now |
| 19:33.55 | mtn | crypto_guy: most folks have been using ext4 for many years now |
| 19:34.00 | centrx | crypto_guy, It looks like ext4 has been in 2.6 since 2008 |
| 19:34.50 | crypto_guy | oh, ok |
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| 19:36.21 | alphis | so far every squeeze backports mirror i add failed to get indexes |
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| 19:37.00 | alphis | wait got it |
| 19:37.06 | alphis | the (-sloppy) ruiend it |
| 19:37.11 | alphis | dont know why docs say to add it |
| 19:37.12 | alphis | but dont |
| 19:37.26 | centrx | alphis, Which wiki page is that on? |
| 19:38.36 | alphis | http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 19:39.31 | centrx | oh right |
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| 19:44.22 | UltimateNate | ERROR: Some of the information you entered is invalid |
| 19:44.24 | UltimateNate | How do i fix this? |
| 19:44.27 | UltimateNate | on adduser? |
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| 19:46.14 | vook | Is there a difference between these two crontab entries ? |
| 19:46.14 | vook | 30 */1 * * * /home/user/script |
| 19:46.15 | vook | 30 * * * * /home/user/script |
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| 19:48.13 | musca | UltimateNate: enter more valid information. |
| 19:48.27 | jelly-home | vook: nope, * and */1 are equivalent |
| 19:48.39 | vook | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 19:53.18 | UltimateNate | i do adduser UltimateNate |
| 19:53.27 | UltimateNate | then i enter the info which most of it is N/A |
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| 19:54.41 | ksk | UltimateNate: try lowercase |
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| 19:55.06 | UltimateNate | lowercase what? |
| 19:55.07 | UltimateNate | all |
| 19:55.08 | UltimateNate | ? |
| 19:55.32 | centrx | Generally usernames are lowercase |
| 19:55.39 | centrx | I would expect it to work with uppercase, but maybe not |
| 19:55.45 | Guest01102 | is there a way to test if the crontab is running successfully? |
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| 19:57.36 | UltimateNate | didn't work |
| 19:57.37 | ksk | Guest01102: it probably does. if you want to know if your script ran (because it was time to run) do an "grep $scriptname /var/log/syslog" - you should find a mail entry. also, if there is an error on a cron-script execution you will get an email sent to the executing user with stderr |
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| 19:58.10 | ksk | not "mail entry" but "cron entry" |
| 19:58.28 | Guest01102 | mhhh alright ill check dat |
| 19:59.10 | ksalman | would 'apt-cache search linux-image' on a 64 bit debian system not list 486/686 kernels? |
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| 19:59.43 | ksalman | iam only seeing 64 bit kernels |
| 19:59.52 | guideX | when I type a2ensite <mysite> it says "ERROR: <site> does not exist!" |
| 19:59.55 | guideX | what could I be doing wrong |
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| 20:00.08 | UltimateNate | Can someone help me? |
| 20:00.16 | UltimateNate | ksk: lowercase didn't work? |
| 20:00.18 | UltimateNate | ksk: lowercase didn't work |
| 20:00.30 | UltimateNate | is the password to short? |
| 20:00.39 | mtn | UltimateNate: paste you entire command and results to http://paste.debian.net and give us the link |
| 20:00.47 | UltimateNate | my password was 6 letters/numbers long |
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| 20:01.07 | centrx | UltimateNate, Press enter to skip an entry instead of typing N/A ? Maybe it is verifying phone number is a phone number or something? |
| 20:01.39 | jhutchins | UltimateNate: What do you mean it didn't work? |
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| 20:01.44 | jhutchins | UltimateNate: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
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| 20:01.49 | nell | my computer opens tor traffic on startup |
| 20:02.00 | UltimateNate | enter doesn't work |
| 20:02.32 | mtn | thinks "doesn't work" is not always very helpful |
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| 20:03.52 | iateadonut | i'm running out of space on my root (/home on a separate partition, as well as a data partition); how can i find out what programs are taking up the most space? |
| 20:04.07 | UltimateNate | I can't skip by pressing enter |
| 20:04.07 | UltimateNate | i get this |
| 20:04.21 | UltimateNate | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.21 | UltimateNate | Must enter a value! |
| 20:04.41 | crypto_guy | should i enable "Standard system utilities" in a minimal server? |
| 20:04.51 | centrx | UltimateNate, I have never seen that, in many years |
| 20:04.57 | jhutchins | UltimateNate: So enter a value. |
| 20:05.06 | jhutchins | UltimateNate: Which release is this? |
| 20:05.06 | UltimateNate | I did N/A |
| 20:05.12 | UltimateNate | jhutchins: dunno |
| 20:05.22 | jhutchins | UltimateNate: Who installed it? |
| 20:05.26 | centrx | crypto_guy, Depends on how minimal |
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| 20:05.37 | centrx | crypto_guy, After install, you can always add more |
| 20:05.45 | UltimateNate | Well someone given me his/her vps |
| 20:05.47 | UltimateNate | vps root |
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| 20:06.12 | crypto_guy | centrx, what packages list will it install? |
| 20:06.34 | jhutchins | UltimateNate: What does lsb_release -a say? |
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| 20:07.03 | centrx | crypto_guy, I can't seem to find it, it should be a package named task-* like task-system-utilities, but I can't seem to find it |
| 20:07.27 | crypto_guy | me too :) |
| 20:07.34 | UltimateNate | heres the paste on the adduser error |
| 20:07.59 | UltimateNate | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/17b32bbd/ |
| 20:08.11 | jhutchins | UltimateNate: What does lsb_release -a say? |
| 20:08.25 | khem_ | Is there some major difference with the I/O scheduler and respective configuration between linux-2.6 and 3.x kernel in Debian? |
| 20:08.26 | UltimateNate | bash: 1sb_release: command not found |
| 20:08.32 | khem_ | s/with/between/, sorry |
| 20:08.44 | khem_ | I get much higher I/O wait under 3.x than 2.6.x |
| 20:09.21 | centrx | crypto_guy, https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel#A.22standard.22_task |
| 20:09.26 | jhutchins | UltimateNate: Perhaps you are not using debian. |
| 20:09.32 | centrx | crypto_guy, Based on that, I would say do not install that task if you want a minimal install |
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| 20:09.47 | asturel | UltimateNate its Lsb not 1sb.. |
| 20:09.48 | asturel | :D |
| 20:09.56 | jhutchins | asturel: No. |
| 20:10.02 | asturel | ? |
| 20:10.17 | jhutchins | asturel: The debuan command is lsb_release -a |
| 20:10.22 | asturel | thats what i said |
| 20:10.28 | asturel | he copied that he typed '1sb_release' |
| 20:10.47 | jordanm | needs the lsb-release package installed |
| 20:10.48 | asturel | with number one instead of L |
| 20:10.52 | crypto_guy | centrx, what "aptitude search ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant -F%p " will output? am from my desktop box |
| 20:11.17 | UltimateNate | How to check what version i got now? |
| 20:11.19 | asturel | (22:08:30) (UltimateNate) bash: 1sb_release: command not found |
| 20:11.20 | asturel | see? |
| 20:11.29 | jhutchins | asturel: Ok, typography can be tricky. |
| 20:11.34 | jhutchins | UltimateNate: Try again. |
| 20:11.40 | UltimateNate | lsb_release right? |
| 20:11.51 | jhutchins | UltimateNate: lsb_release -a |
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| 20:12.12 | UltimateNate | bash: lsb_release: command not found |
| 20:12.12 | centrx | crypto_guy, Standard priority includes many many packages that are unnecessary and you will end up not using |
| 20:12.16 | UltimateNate | I'm logined as root |
| 20:12.35 | jhutchins | UltimateNate: It's likely that you're not running Debian then. |
| 20:12.36 | jordanm | [15:10] <jordanm> needs the lsb-release package installed |
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| 20:13.00 | jhutchins | UltimateNate: try uname -a |
| 20:13.10 | centrx | crypto_guy, mutt, rpcbind, apt-listchanges, w3m,... |
| 20:13.41 | crypto_guy | centrx, yes, i don't need all that... and i don't need cups |
| 20:14.12 | UltimateNate | Ugh can't paste for some reason |
| 20:14.13 | UltimateNate | err copy |
| 20:14.20 | UltimateNate | Linux linuxthefish 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Nov 4 20:45:37 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:14.23 | UltimateNate | There |
| 20:14.38 | centrx | crypto_guy, Everything you need will be installed. If you don't have something you need, just ask here or do a web search to find the appropriate package name(s) and then it is as easy as: apt-get install package_name |
| 20:14.40 | jordanm | lenny |
| 20:14.51 | jhutchins | UltimateNate: Not debian. |
| 20:14.57 | centrx | *everything you need to get more things you need |
| 20:14.57 | UltimateNate | what is it then? |
| 20:15.04 | jordanm | jhutchins: ? that's the kernel version for lenny isn't it? |
| 20:15.20 | jhutchins | jordanm: WEll, could be. |
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| 20:15.32 | centrx | UltimateNate, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:15.41 | jhutchins | current kernels say "Debian". |
| 20:15.53 | UltimateNate | cat: /etc/debian_version: No such file or directory |
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| 20:16.00 | Mikaela | UltimateNate: /etc/issue |
| 20:16.10 | crypto_guy | perfect! |
| 20:16.15 | UltimateNate | Debian GNU/Linux 7.0 \n \l |
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| 20:16.33 | jhutchins | jordanm: YEah, that could be lenny. |
| 20:16.38 | UltimateNate | Its debian |
| 20:17.04 | UltimateNate | What is the latest version now? |
| 20:17.09 | jhutchins | Except mine says Linux minerva 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Sun Mar 4 22:19:19 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:17.12 | Mikaela | UltimateNate: If you "sudo apt-get install lsb-release" and then "lsb_release -a", what does it say? |
| 20:17.17 | centrx | UltimateNate, It sounds like if you have Debian, you are missing some essential core packages, or you have a mixed and matched packages from multiple releases or non-Debian repositories |
| 20:17.24 | jordanm | UltimateNate: 7, but that kernel is not from 7, it's from 5 |
| 20:17.35 | jhutchins | Which is the same pattern so... |
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| 20:17.42 | jordanm | and 5->6 required a newer kernel for udev to work |
| 20:17.47 | Mikaela | Linux lakka 3.2.58-grbfs-kapsi #1 SMP Fri May 9 22:39:05 EEST 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 20:17.49 | Mikaela | says this shell, but custom kernel, but I am sure that it should be 3. |
| 20:17.52 | UltimateNate | sudo is no such command, But im running as root anyways |
| 20:18.07 | jhutchins | UltimateNate: It looks like you could be running Debian lenny, 5.0 when current is 7.5 |
| 20:18.17 | Mikaela | "apt-get install lsb-release" then. And you might want to install sudo. |
| 20:18.27 | jordanm | jhutchins: my guess is a mixed up frankendebian |
| 20:18.31 | Mikaela | jhutchins: Their /etc/issue said Debian 7. |
| 20:18.49 | UltimateNate | bash: lsb_rlease: command not found |
| 20:18.54 | jhutchins | UltimateNate: can you pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:19.01 | Mikaela | lsb_release |
| 20:19.06 | jhutchins | Mikaela: Yeah, wierd. |
| 20:19.11 | jordanm | UltimateNate: you were told to apt-get install it first, and also not typo it |
| 20:19.31 | Mikaela | Oh, I did that after you then. |
| 20:20.02 | jhutchins | UltimateNate: How about dpkg -l adduser? |
| 20:20.36 | jhutchins | UltimateNate: To install lsb-release aptitude install lsb-release |
| 20:20.40 | UltimateNate | sudo: installing dpkg |
| 20:20.42 | UltimateNate | err fail |
| 20:20.45 | UltimateNate | installing dpkg |
| 20:20.54 | UltimateNate | anyways |
| 20:20.59 | UltimateNate | sudo throws a segemenation error |
| 20:21.33 | jhutchins | UltimateNate: Note that the package has a dash and the command has an underscore. |
| 20:21.40 | jordanm | UltimateNate: pastebin the output of: apt-cache polcy; apt-cache policy dpkg libc6 apt |
| 20:21.44 | UltimateNate | Segmentation Fault |
| 20:21.49 | jhutchins | UltimateNate: If you're root, sudo is unnecessary. |
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| 20:22.11 | UltimateNate | apt-cache doesn't exsist |
| 20:22.13 | UltimateNate | jhutchins: ik |
| 20:22.19 | UltimateNate | exist* |
| 20:22.43 | jhutchins | UltimateNate: apt-cache usually isn't installed. IT's good to have, you mayy want to add it later. |
| 20:22.53 | UltimateNate | Where do i get apt-cache? |
| 20:23.09 | jhutchins | UltimateNate: Same place you get anything, apt-get/aptitude. |
| 20:23.10 | centrx | apt: /usr/bin/apt-cache |
| 20:23.18 | jordanm | jhutchins: uhh |
| 20:23.26 | jordanm | yeah, it's part of apt |
| 20:23.27 | centrx | apt-cache is in the apt package, so if you're missing that... |
| 20:23.39 | UltimateNate | installing aptcache |
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| 20:24.13 | jordanm | not sure how you plan to install it without apt.. |
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| 20:24.16 | jhutchins | Sorry, I'm thinking of apt-file. |
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| 20:24.27 | UltimateNate | wait wrong program |
| 20:24.30 | jordanm | jhutchins: ah, yeah, that one is seperate and optional |
| 20:24.30 | UltimateNate | its aptcache |
| 20:24.34 | UltimateNate | need to remove |
| 20:24.35 | Mikaela | UltimateNate: Did you ever pastebin your sources.list? "apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit /etc/sources.list" |
| 20:24.37 | jordanm | no, it's apt-cache |
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| 20:25.02 | UltimateNate | running command |
| 20:25.12 | jordanm | apt-cache policy provides all the info in sources.list in addition to what's in sources.list.d |
| 20:25.28 | UltimateNate | pastebinit: Segmentation fault |
| 20:25.40 | UltimateNate | thats the error i keep getting |
| 20:25.43 | Mikaela | There is something seriously wrong with your system. |
| 20:25.43 | Nik05 | nice |
| 20:25.53 | jordanm | pastebinit is python |
| 20:25.54 | UltimateNate | How do i fix that error? |
| 20:26.06 | jordanm | UltimateNate: depends on my it's segfaulting |
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| 20:26.17 | UltimateNate | Is there a way to fix it? |
| 20:26.29 | Nik05 | oh this is #debian not a programming channel, otherwise we love segvfaults |
| 20:26.44 | jordanm | UltimateNate: sure, but possibly not with your level of knowledge and this back and forth over IRC |
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| 20:26.49 | jordanm | probably much easier to reinstall the OS |
| 20:27.06 | UltimateNate | reinstall = loose everything |
| 20:27.21 | mtn | UltimateNate: backups=good |
| 20:27.27 | jordanm | you don't have backups of the data? |
| 20:27.33 | jordanm | you can't make backups of the data now? |
| 20:27.35 | UltimateNate | No |
| 20:27.38 | linuxthefish | what's wrong with VPS UltimateNate :( |
| 20:27.40 | UltimateNate | I don't own it |
| 20:27.47 | jordanm | you have root |
| 20:27.57 | UltimateNate | linuxthefish: lots of problems on the vps |
| 20:28.01 | jordanm | and probably an HDD in your desktop |
| 20:28.08 | linuxthefish | it's openvz |
| 20:28.10 | UltimateNate | linuxthefish: segfaults is one of them |
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| 20:28.20 | Nik05 | do you have an frankendebian? |
| 20:28.24 | linuxthefish | it's fine! |
| 20:28.25 | jordanm | linuxthefish: the uname output doesn't look like openvz |
| 20:28.33 | linuxthefish | yes Nik05 |
| 20:28.34 | UltimateNate | linuxthefish owns the VPS |
| 20:28.38 | jordanm | linuxthefish: openvz kernels have "stab" in the version |
| 20:28.49 | jordanm | it's certainly not fine if python segfaults |
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| 20:29.02 | UltimateNate | Maybe python isn't installedf |
| 20:29.04 | UltimateNate | installed |
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| 20:29.24 | jordanm | it is, otherwise it couldn't have segfaulted when you tried to run pastebinit |
| 20:29.31 | linuxthefish | it could be like some parallel universe debian? |
| 20:29.47 | linuxthefish | like in another universe they developed the commands in a different way :/ |
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| 20:29.58 | UltimateNate | linuxthefish: They also said in here that its much easier to reinstall the OS |
| 20:30.00 | jordanm | yeah, it's probably a lenny box someone installed some packages from sid on and borked the whole system |
| 20:30.03 | jordanm | that would be my guess |
| 20:30.26 | jordanm | UltimateNate: what was the initial problem that you came in here for? |
| 20:30.37 | UltimateNate | jordanm: that i can't create a user |
| 20:30.43 | Nik05 | haha |
| 20:30.44 | linuxthefish | i don't think it's debian |
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| 20:30.50 | linuxthefish | could be gentoo |
| 20:30.53 | jordanm | UltimateNate: because it segfaults? |
| 20:30.54 | UltimateNate | linuxthefish: Is it possible to get the OS reinstalled? |
| 20:30.59 | UltimateNate | jordanm: no |
| 20:31.19 | Nik05 | is it even debian? |
| 20:31.26 | UltimateNate | Nik05: yes |
| 20:31.27 | mtn | jordanm: here is his paste from earlier: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/17b32bbd/ |
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| 20:31.35 | linuxthefish | it's kippo linux |
| 20:31.40 | linuxthefish | ask in #honeypots |
| 20:31.43 | Gear_ | which version of gnome does 7.5 use? |
| 20:31.54 | jhutchins | linuxthefish: There's the problem. |
| 20:32.01 | jordanm | "Kippo is a Python script that emulates a shell, making it a SSH Honeypot." |
| 20:32.03 | jordanm | uhh, what? |
| 20:32.04 | mtn | Gear_: http://packages.debian.org |
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| 20:32.18 | thoonai | good evening |
| 20:32.24 | UltimateNate | Now if i run tightvncserver, It could help me a bit |
| 20:32.37 | UltimateNate | But i don't think its a good idea to run it under root |
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| 20:32.44 | jhutchins | UltimateNate: If it's not working well in CLI mode, graphics will just mess it up worse. |
| 20:32.53 | linuxthefish | UltimateNate i pm you |
| 20:33.01 | UltimateNate | linuxthefish: k |
| 20:33.08 | thoonai | I don't want to 'make install' Apache thrift, but I don't find the binary thrift compiler after 'make'. Does anyone can help me on this issue? |
| 20:33.32 | Gear_ | mtn what? |
| 20:33.47 | Nik05 | ,v gnome |
| 20:33.48 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.8+8; sid: 1:3.8+8 |
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| 20:33.54 | jhutchins | UltimateNate: If this is not Debian and you make changes suggested here there is a very good chance you will have an even more broken system. |
| 20:34.13 | jhutchins | UltimateNate: Your adduser script does not behave the way Debian's script does, on any version any of us know. |
| 20:34.21 | thoonai | ok I'm off |
| 20:34.24 | Gear_ | how do I get the latest version of gnome on 7.5 |
| 20:34.25 | jordanm | linuxthefish: well, if it's a honeypot written in python, and python segfaults, it's not going to be a very useful box |
| 20:34.34 | mtn | Gear_: you could easily look it up yourself at that site, of course |
| 20:34.35 | jhutchins | UltimateNate: There is a way to work around that particular problem, but it is better if you figure out what you actually have. |
| 20:34.44 | thoonai | battery empty, Goodbye :) |
| 20:34.52 | jhutchins | UltimateNate: I'd be curious to know what it really is, but ultimately that's off-topic here. |
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| 20:35.00 | UltimateNate | Well im fimular to ubuntu, not debian though :P |
| 20:35.50 | Nik05 | so is he running debian or not? :S |
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| 20:35.57 | ompaul | not a hope |
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| 20:36.07 | UltimateNate | Nik05: I am |
| 20:36.15 | jhutchins | Nik05: Incolclusive. Kernel matches lenny, adduser is alien. |
| 20:36.15 | ompaul | UltimateNate: uname -a please |
| 20:36.29 | UltimateNate | Linux linuxthefish 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Nov 4 20:45:37 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:36.32 | ompaul | lenny |
| 20:36.43 | mtn | Gear_: short answer, no latest version of gnome is available on debian stable |
| 20:36.54 | jhutchins | ompaul: Lenny kernel, possibly something built on Debian but no longer Debian. |
| 20:37.02 | Gear_ | just tell me which version please |
| 20:37.06 | ompaul | UltimateNate: that is not a supported platform |
| 20:37.06 | Nik05 | and apt-cache policy segvfaults? |
| 20:37.09 | mtn | Gear_: in fact, no latest version of anything is available on stable |
| 20:37.11 | ompaul | ,v gnome |
| 20:37.13 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.8+8; sid: 1:3.8+8 |
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| 20:37.34 | jhutchins | UltimateNate: Also, your computer thinks this is 2009. That can cause problems too. |
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| 20:38.01 | Gear_ | I remember 2009 |
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| 20:38.03 | jhutchins | ER, no, that's not current. |
| 20:38.14 | jhutchins | ompaul: It's the lenny kernel, but dated 2009? |
| 20:38.17 | ompaul | UltimateNate: there is a web site called http://www.debian.org please go and get yourself a modern distro and we work with it |
| 20:38.22 | jhutchins | ompaul: Mine is dated 2012. |
| 20:38.33 | Gear_ | I have the amd64 debian |
| 20:38.36 | Gear_ | and gnome |
| 20:38.40 | ompaul | jhutchins: so I offer you a virtual box and break all rules |
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| 20:38.41 | Gear_ | I'm trying to give gnome a chance |
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| 20:38.43 | Gear_ | it's pissing me off |
| 20:38.47 | ompaul | Gear_: I gave you numbers |
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| 20:38.55 | ompaul | or more to the point the bot did read them |
| 20:39.00 | Gear_ | I need to tweak it or something |
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| 20:39.24 | mtn | Gear_: you can use gnome-tweak-tool and gnome extensions. the web has many howtos, as well. |
| 20:39.39 | Gear_ | what's "bad" about jessie |
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| 20:39.51 | ompaul | it is currently the unstable version |
| 20:39.58 | Gear_ | or something with the latest version of gnome |
| 20:40.01 | ompaul | or as most call it "testing" |
| 20:40.05 | Gear_ | I like some things but other things are very limiting |
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| 20:40.18 | ompaul | Gear_: you have choices, those are the debian ones |
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| 20:40.30 | mtn | Gear_: debian doesn't have the latest version of gnome available yet |
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| 20:40.44 | ledoktre | greetings all ~ I’ve got Debian Testing loaded on a server, and I wanted to install an additional package. When I go to do this, I see that testing is now running php 5.6 beta, is there any way to lock it into 5.5 until 5.6 becomes mainstream? |
| 20:41.05 | ompaul | !tell ledoktre about pinning |
| 20:41.09 | Gear_ | I've had debian for a day, everything has been a struggle |
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| 20:41.20 | formorer | which will led you alone with the critical security fix from today. |
| 20:41.22 | formorer | good idea. |
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| 20:41.39 | Gear_ | nothing has worked out of the box |
| 20:41.44 | ompaul | ledoktre: the down side of that is you won't have security patches unless you did it yourself |
| 20:41.52 | ompaul | Gear_: you seem to be one of very few |
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| 20:42.33 | Gear_ | why isn't there an option for non free repositories in the installer? |
| 20:42.34 | ledoktre | ompaul: so 5.5 is not being maintained in testing any longer? |
| 20:42.36 | Gear_ | does anyone know? |
| 20:43.00 | Gear_ | the user has to enable them by manually editing a file |
| 20:43.13 | Gear_ | why not just a click box in the installer? |
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| 20:43.37 | babilen | Gear_: There is, but you have to run it in "expert mode" |
| 20:43.45 | Gear_ | also, I'm having a weird problem with the wifi, whenever the wireless is going, the mouse jumps around |
| 20:43.51 | Gear_ | maybe I need to reinstall debian |
| 20:43.55 | ledoktre | Gear_: Not sure what you were having trouble with, but I used a number of other flavors before, and Debian was beautiful to install. Been using it almost exclusively ever since. Worked outta the box :) Also, I had one server I loaded the other day that had a driver it needed that was non-free - downloaded it, saved it to thumb drive, and zipped right past. |
| 20:43.57 | ompaul | Gear_: when you say nothing worked, that is very helpful because I imagine in your house is the computer sitting there smoking your cigarettes and drinking your coffee while watching the afternoon film and that isn't very good |
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| 20:44.41 | Gear_ | the afternoon film? |
| 20:44.46 | Gear_ | cigarettes and coffee? |
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| 20:44.58 | mtn | Gear_: if you need some drivers or firmware when installing, this would help: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ |
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| 20:45.06 | ompaul | Gear_: it's not DFSG free so it will never be enabled by default (contrib non-free) |
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| 20:45.29 | Gear_ | not enabled by default, just ABLE to be enabled during installation |
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| 20:46.14 | ompaul | Gear_: no, same reason |
| 20:46.16 | wowaname | i know Gear_ has a problem right now, but when someone can get to me: i'm having trouble with repositories. even during the install, i could not connect to ANY server, and now it's the same way; anything i try is 404ing. i can access the internet just fine, and theoretically i can compile everything from source but that's a pain |
| 20:46.21 | wowaname | thanks |
| 20:46.43 | ompaul | wowaname: proxy server? |
| 20:46.56 | wowaname | no |
| 20:46.58 | mtn | wowaname: paste your entire error message to http://paste.debian.net and give us the link. |
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| 20:47.01 | wowaname | ok |
| 20:47.09 | wowaname | >you have your own paste service |
| 20:47.13 | wowaname | why not pastee :p |
| 20:47.16 | jhutchins | wowaname: Can you connect to the hosts directly with a browser? |
| 20:47.29 | wowaname | jhutchins i'll try that hold on |
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| 20:47.40 | jhutchins | wowaname: Many public paste services become spam/malware sites. |
| 20:47.58 | Gear_ | is there any version of debian that I can use the "latest" stalble release of gnome? |
| 20:48.03 | wowaname | jhutchins [citation needed] |
| 20:48.05 | jhutchins | wowaname: *.debian.net is less likely to be blocked. |
| 20:48.10 | Gear_ | not in quotes |
| 20:48.14 | mtn | Gear_: I already told you. NO |
| 20:48.15 | Gear_ | THE latest version of gnome |
| 20:48.35 | jhutchins | Gear_: If you want the "latest" of anything, Debian really isn't for you. |
| 20:48.49 | Gear_ | I want my computer to work properly |
| 20:48.58 | Gear_ | it's a very recent laptop tablet convertible |
| 20:48.59 | wowaname | i'd like for this terminal emulator to have x clipboard functionality lol |
| 20:49.00 | mtn | Gear_: latest doesn't mean better |
| 20:49.09 | wowaname | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/62170757/ |
| 20:49.13 | wowaname | here's when i try to update |
| 20:49.15 | Gear_ | some of the features of the later gnome are what I'd like to use |
| 20:49.24 | wowaname | i'll try navigating directly to a server |
| 20:49.35 | Gear_ | the point of an OS is for it to operate how I want it to |
| 20:49.35 | wowaname | yeah debian seems to be hit |
| 20:49.40 | wowaname | idk |
| 20:49.53 | wowaname | oh fuck nvm |
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| 20:49.55 | mtn | wowaname: you don't have any normal debian sources listed. |
| 20:50.08 | UploadDownload | mtn: she will be back |
| 20:50.11 | mtn | my bad, they are there |
| 20:50.12 | jhutchins | wowaname: I don't know what "emulator" you're using, but most do have copy/paste functionality if they're running under X. If it's pure console GDM provies mouse cut-and-paste, and pastbinit provides direct posting of files. |
| 20:50.13 | UploadDownload | closed terminal by mistake |
| 20:50.15 | Gear_ | maybe debian isn't for me, can you please recommend a distro that I can use the latest stable gnome? |
| 20:50.38 | mtn | Gear_: check out distrowatch |
| 20:50.39 | ompaul | !tell wowaname about frankendebian |
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| 20:51.18 | Gear_ | I don't need the LATEST, I just need a later version than this and more functionality |
| 20:51.19 | jhutchins | Sigh. |
| 20:51.39 | UltimateNate | How do i check space? |
| 20:51.40 | mtn | Gear_: you have had your answers many many times |
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| 20:51.58 | jhutchins | Gear_: People have been using Gnome for more than a decade, so your protest just sounds silly. If you don't like how gnome works, try one of the dozen or more other desktops. |
| 20:52.17 | jhutchins | UltimateNate: Hubble telescope? |
| 20:52.27 | UltimateNate | no hardrive space |
| 20:52.34 | jhutchins | UltimateNate: df -h |
| 20:52.50 | Gear_ | and it's changed radically in the last release, I would like to give gnome a chance because there are a lot of things I like, but it is very restricted in the customisation |
| 20:52.58 | ompaul | jhutchins: would you not use a radio array first? |
| 20:53.14 | Gear_ | I need at least a minimise button |
| 20:53.14 | jhutchins | ompaul: WEll, I hear Aricebo has funding problems. |
| 20:53.17 | mtn | Gear_: gave you an answer about that too. too bad you don't read what we say :( |
| 20:53.27 | Gear_ | can you say it again please |
| 20:53.31 | ompaul | jhutchins: true |
| 20:53.37 | UploadDownload | ompaul: hmm> |
| 20:53.38 | mtn | Gear_: you can use gnome-tweak-tool and gnome extensions. the web has many howtos, as well. |
| 20:53.39 | Gear_ | what do I need to customise gnome |
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| 20:53.58 | mtn | Gear_: hopefully you will pay attention this time :) |
| 20:54.02 | jhutchins | Gear_: Gnome has been headed that way (limited customization) for a long time now. If that's something you don't like, you won't like gnome. Try something else. |
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| 20:54.17 | Gear_ | what else is like gnome but with more customisation? |
| 20:54.23 | ompaul | !TIAS |
| 20:54.23 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 20:54.24 | mtn | oh dear |
| 20:54.45 | ompaul | if only there was a way to search the internet |
| 20:54.49 | jhutchins | Gear_: kde is a valid answer, but might not be what you want. |
| 20:55.07 | jhutchins | Gear_: We can't know what you like and don't like. Try something. If you don't like it, try something else. |
| 20:55.16 | Gear_ | I've used kde for the last few months, I want to try sometihng else because I absolutely loathe the windows layout |
| 20:55.27 | Gear_ | I first saw gnome in kali |
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| 20:55.36 | Gear_ | and I liked a lot of it, but I'm finding it a bit limited |
| 20:55.59 | jhutchins | Gear_: Here are more than a dozen you can try: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Desktops/ |
| 20:56.07 | jhutchins | Gear_: Grousing about it here will help no-one. |
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| 20:56.30 | nell | help debian |
| 20:56.40 | nell | i just checked my /etc/shadow file |
| 20:56.43 | Gear_ | I'm hoping someone will suggest something other than basically "go and try something else" |
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| 20:56.46 | jhutchins | nell: Help debian what? |
| 20:56.48 | nell | and i see all these names with no passwords! |
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| 20:57.00 | jhutchins | nell: Correct. |
| 20:57.08 | nell | only my user and root is password protected |
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| 20:57.15 | jhutchins | nell: There are no passwords n shadow. |
| 20:57.25 | ompaul | Gear_: go here and make your own mind up, http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Desktops/ |
| 20:57.33 | nell | its hashes |
| 20:57.52 | ompaul | you won't find plain text if that is your expectation |
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| 20:58.07 | Gear_ | thanks for the link |
| 20:58.15 | Gear_ | but you're basically saying F off and try sometihng else |
| 20:58.17 | nell | im not expecting plaintext |
| 20:58.21 | nell | im expecting security |
| 20:58.30 | nell | i find out today that root password got disabled |
| 20:58.31 | Gear_ | can anyone please suggest something like gnome with more customisation |
| 20:58.36 | nell | i panic'd |
| 20:58.42 | nell | and now im trying to do damage control |
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| 20:59.06 | petn-randall | Gear_: xfce? |
| 20:59.11 | petn-randall | Gear_: awesomewm? |
| 20:59.17 | ompaul | lxde |
| 20:59.22 | ompaul | try them and see |
| 20:59.29 | ompaul | we can't try them for you |
| 20:59.35 | Gear_ | also, gnome is very heavy, this is a fast computer with a lot of ram, in windows it gets 7 hours of battery, with gnome and debian it gets 4 hours of battery |
| 20:59.36 | jhutchins | nell: Are these perhaps system accounts that can't log in anyway? |
| 20:59.43 | ompaul | oh you'll like this ... because you will |
| 21:00.07 | ledoktre | Gear_: Try Linux Mint. There are versions with XFCE, Cinnamon, KDE, and one called Mate (Gnome 2.x). You should find something in there thats nice too. Its based off of Ubuntu, and there is a version there (LMDE) based off of Debian. Might be worth a try. |
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| 21:00.08 | jhutchins | Gear_: We get it. You don't like gnome. Try something else. xfce and lxde are both considered lighter than full DEs. |
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| 21:01.24 | ledoktre | Gear_: Cinnamon always looked pretty darn cool. Mate is like Gnome 2.x, so you can do more effects (not as constricted like in Gnome 3.x) |
| 21:02.09 | Gear_ | I don't want ubuntu, I've been using KDE and mageia for a few months |
| 21:02.20 | jhutchins | ledoktre: Isn't Cinnamon the KDE3.5 retread? |
| 21:02.34 | ompaul | Gear_: so now you are complaining about gnome and you are using KDE |
| 21:02.46 | ompaul | Gear_: do you know what that looks like to someone who sees that? |
| 21:02.47 | ledoktre | jhutchins: The last that I tried it it was based off of Gnome AFAIK |
| 21:02.57 | Gear_ | ompaul, please do not speak to me |
| 21:03.00 | jhutchins | ledoktre: Ok, I loose track of the forks. |
| 21:03.17 | Gear_ | you're going to make me swear and I don't want to be banned |
| 21:03.20 | jhutchins | Gear_: Did you have a specific support question? |
| 21:03.22 | ledoktre | jhutchins: Cinnamon is Gnome 3.x or whatever but with some of the “annoyances” people have complained about, well, altered |
| 21:03.27 | ompaul | Gear_: eh the what now |
| 21:03.52 | jhutchins | Ah, trinity is kde3.5 based. |
| 21:03.53 | ledoktre | Gear_: Just go check out Cinnamon, I think you’ll like it. |
| 21:04.03 | Gear_ | I sad I do like gnome but it's too restrictive |
| 21:04.08 | Gear_ | some parts of it |
| 21:04.48 | Gear_ | eg the power options, there are two. suspend or don't suspend. no options for the screen brightness or anything with battery or AC which is the most important thing |
| 21:04.50 | ompaul | loans: that's been said twice I think pretty much any sane option has been said twice |
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| 21:05.03 | loans | wat |
| 21:05.09 | ledoktre | Mate is Gnome 2.x, which is definately not restricted, visually. I remember something on the net a while back from Linus talking about his loathing Gnome 3.x, but staying on 2.x. Too much change I guess. |
| 21:05.09 | Gear_ | I tried cinnamon and I don't like it |
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| 21:05.17 | ompaul | loans: you got badly tabbed sorry ;-) |
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| 21:05.51 | loans | y'all should use openbox, proper desktop environments are for chumls |
| 21:05.53 | ledoktre | As someone mentioned above LXDE is quite noce to, as is XFCE |
| 21:05.56 | loans | chumps |
| 21:06.15 | Gear_ | do I have to reinstall debian to try xfce |
| 21:06.18 | ompaul | loans: that's the basis for lxde ;-) |
| 21:06.23 | jhutchins | Gear_: In the time you've spent here you could have read the freedesktop.org page we linked you to and tried more than one of the other possibilities. If you're just going to complain you're off topic. |
| 21:06.42 | jhutchins | Gear_: No, you can install any desktop. |
| 21:06.51 | jhutchins | !install lxde |
| 21:06.51 | dpkg | To install <LXDE> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «aptitude install lxde». To install using Debian-Installer (if not using LXDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > LXDE > Install". |
| 21:06.52 | ledoktre | You should be able to install a meta package I believe. Then you can choose it on the login page, which one you want |
| 21:07.11 | Gear_ | I have a bug too, the wifi card uses a nonfree firmware, the wifi makes the mouse cursor jump all over the screen at random |
| 21:07.16 | loans | ompaul: you're lucky I'm not ranting about xmonad |
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| 21:07.42 | jhutchins | Gear_: Do you suppose it would matter WHICH wifi chipset you have? |
| 21:07.53 | jhutchins | Gear_: WIred USB mouse? |
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| 21:10.18 | Gear_ | I turn the wifi off and the mouse cursor acts normally |
| 21:10.19 | Gear_ | this is a thinkpad x220tablet |
| 21:10.36 | Gear_ | I have no idea |
| 21:10.48 | jaakkos | speaking of wifi, iwlwifi-7260-8.ucode from firmware-iwlwifi has nasty bug at least in testing (0.42) that causes crazy packet loss quite often... can be fixed by removing the file, so that -7 will be used instead. |
| 21:10.51 | Gear_ | I don't know why it's doing it, I just mentioned that it was nonfree in case that mattered |
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| 21:11.04 | jaakkos | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/1293569 |
| 21:11.08 | jhutchins | Gear_: You don't know if you're using a wired USB mouse? |
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| 21:11.25 | jhutchins | Gear_: Or you installed a non-free package and don't know what it was? |
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| 21:11.32 | Gear_ | I'm not going to ues a wired usb mouse |
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| 21:11.43 | Gear_ | and I installed a package that was recommended in HERE |
| 21:11.58 | jhutchins | I give up. |
| 21:12.01 | Gear_ | the wireless connects at quite a slow rate |
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| 21:12.11 | jhutchins | wanders off to the kitchen. |
| 21:12.15 | Gear_ | you give up at what? insulting me? good |
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| 21:13.14 | Gear_ | jaakos that's exactly what I was told in here to install |
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| 21:13.31 | jaakkos | Gear_: whether you are affected depends on what version you have |
| 21:13.35 | cek | getting "nfs status return value: 45" for nfs v2 mount. what's up ? |
| 21:13.37 | Gear_ | how do I check |
| 21:13.42 | jaakkos | Gear_: try dpkg -l | grep firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 21:14.10 | jaakkos | Gear_: 0.42 is at least broen |
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| 21:14.45 | Gear_ | it says 0.36 |
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| 21:15.17 | Gear_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.18 | ompaul | funny that is not how the dpkg -l program reports that is how judd reports |
| 21:16.32 | Gear_ | the speed is bad. |
| 21:16.37 | Gear_ | the mouse cursor is jumping around like crazy sometimes, mostly when a video is playing |
| 21:16.40 | Gear_ | either youtube or from a file |
| 21:16.42 | jaakkos | Gear_: i wonder if that has todo with the touch screen... |
| 21:17.00 | Gear_ | I'm not sure but I turn the wifi off and it doesn't jump around |
| 21:17.43 | Gear_ | I can't even find the option of where to turn the touchscreen off |
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| 21:18.15 | jaakkos | your version is not affected |
| 21:18.25 | jaakkos | (firmware-iwlwifi) |
| 21:18.30 | Gear_ | that's strange, because it only does it when wifi is on |
| 21:18.43 | jaakkos | at least it's not the same bug |
| 21:18.44 | ompaul | ran out of ram |
| 21:19.00 | Gear_ | 8gb of ddr3 ? |
| 21:19.33 | Borsi | igot an issue with ralink wifi |
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| 21:20.26 | ompaul | Gear_: apt-cache search thinkpad might give you something else |
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| 21:22.01 | Gear_ | xfce4-goodies - enhancements for the Xfce4 Desktop Environment |
| 21:22.05 | Gear_ | that one is strange |
| 21:22.33 | Gear_ | apt-cache search thinkpad for what? |
| 21:22.39 | Gear_ | what am I looking for |
| 21:23.06 | Gear_ | there's an xfce4-goodies package that shouldn' be there |
| 21:24.25 | Gear_ | I have to go thanks for the help those who helped |
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| 21:35.50 | nmschulte | Does anyone know what's the deal with PowerVR GPUs in Debian/Linux? Are there FOSS drivers available yet? |
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| 21:38.14 | OEP | is there some way to force dpkg to use an existing tarball as the final .deb's data.tar.gz (say, if you're packaging something that has previously been built) |
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| 21:49.03 | Gear_ | hi back, does anyone know why the wifi would be causing the moues cursor to jump around while playing any type of video on a thinkpad x220tablet ? |
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| 22:02.31 | feitingen | OEP: unar the package, mess with data.tar.gz, maybe look for some checksums and signatures and ar it back up |
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| 22:03.24 | feitingen | OEP: it's the wrong way of doing it, so it's meant to be difficult, and you'll probably struggle with checksums and signatures to make it pass the checks to install it |
| 22:03.46 | chomwitt_ | in multihead how can i choose for one application to appear in one screen and not to both of them |
| 22:05.52 | OEP | feitingen: thanks that seems to work; I'm repackaging a proprietary app from a vendor so I'm not sure if there is a right way to do it |
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| 22:07.17 | feitingen | chomwitt_: depends which desktop/wm you use, kde/gnome/enlightenment/fluxbox/icewm/lxde/xfce/wmaker/dwm/larswm/xmonad/scrotwm/olwm/twm/9wm... the list goes on. (and on) There is a lot to choose from. |
| 22:07.35 | feitingen | OEP: sometimes you have to do it the dirty way. good luck ;) |
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| 22:08.48 | feitingen | chomwitt_: you will be better of asking in the channel of your desktop, join gnome, kde or whatever you use, they are nice people who know much more about it than me :) |
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| 22:10.02 | chomwitt_ | feitingen: thanks for the advice. |
| 22:10.19 | feitingen | chomwitt_: good luck, sorry i can't help you more |
| 22:11.06 | chomwitt_ | no problem. |
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| 22:19.24 | pankid | anyone here know how to set a default mask and create mask in netatalk? Whenever one user creates a file in my share, the other users cant access it. |
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| 22:25.04 | rocketmagnet | hi all |
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| 22:25.42 | rocketmagnet | question: i'm new to wheezy and only worked with squeeze for years - how on earth can i add custom entries to the favorites ?? |
| 22:26.41 | rocketmagnet | some applications can be added with the mouse (right click on the icon when the app is running) but others like blender do no work like this- where is the configuration file for this ???????? |
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| 22:27.41 | lanodroid | rocketmagnet: where do you click ? |
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| 22:28.39 | rocketmagnet | first on the favorites, then on the app icons and the right click, some apps can be added but blender for example does not work - i can also not add arguments for example for the console |
| 22:28.47 | rocketmagnet | there must be a configuration file where this is saved |
| 22:28.52 | rocketmagnet | lanodroid: ^ |
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| 22:29.51 | lanodroid | rocketmagnet: what do you mean by favorites, your favorites apps ? |
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| 22:31.57 | rocketmagnet | i mean the left upper button that you can click where you have a pupup on the left-side with icons for the most important apps you need often |
| 22:32.26 | rocketmagnet | lanodroid: ^ |
| 22:33.11 | lanodroid | I think you're using gnome3 or something like that |
| 22:33.25 | lanodroid | rocketmagnet: ^ |
| 22:33.37 | ihave8arms | Yeah in GNOME3 where you click on "Activities" |
| 22:33.52 | ihave8arms | I don't have an answer to this but I would also like to know if there is a config file |
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| 22:34.05 | lanodroid | I do not use gnome3, sorry |
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| 22:35.07 | rocketmagnet | thanks anyway |
| 22:35.16 | lanodroid | I think you can look in ~/.gnone3 and ~/.config for config files |
| 22:35.26 | rocketmagnet | ty |
| 22:35.32 | lanodroid | *~/.gnome3 |
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| 22:36.16 | rocketmagnet | another question: i've installed privoxy but nmap does not show it to me but when i try a telnet to localhost 8118 i get a connection |
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| 22:36.59 | rocketmagnet | maybe it has to do something with user/grous i belong to .. ?! |
| 22:37.09 | rocketmagnet | s/grous/groups |
| 22:37.34 | lanodroid | rocketmagnet: If you want to list your ports try: netstat -laputenv |
| 22:40.01 | rocketmagnet | another very important question i have i how to setup the graphic mode used when i'm using ctrl+F1 (have troubles with the graphic mode so i want to use normal text-mode) |
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| 22:42.06 | lanodroid | rocketmagnet: if you want a TTY try ctrl+alt+f1 to f6 |
| 22:43.01 | rocketmagnet | that does work - but how to setup which graphic mode is used so i don't have troubles (the mode does flicker extremely) |
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| 22:50.56 | KaaK | I'm considering using NetworkManager+ModemManager to manage a USB WWAN modem on a headless beaglebone black (a low cost ARM linux board). Is this a good setup? Or should I be looking elsewhere (ofono, connman, straight PPP, ...)? |
| 22:51.14 | jhutchins | !framebuffer |
| 22:51.14 | dpkg | Framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. X is a framebuffer system, as is berlin. If you're looking for the framebuffer console, ask me about <fbcon>, or ask about <blacklist> to negate it. To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. See also <uvesafb>. |
| 22:51.46 | KaaK | I'm a bit intimidated by the lack of docs surrounding running NetworkManger in a headless setup |
| 22:52.09 | KaaK | Most seem to simply say 'use nm-applet' ... |
| 22:52.14 | jhutchins | rocketmagnet: Check /etc/defaults/grub and see if there's a video mode set on the boot command line. Disable that, or set video=vga16:off |
| 22:52.27 | jhutchins | rocketmagnet: That might fix it, not sure what the problem is. |
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| 22:53.52 | chreuben | KaaK: I’ll send you the URL to a script |
| 22:54.01 | KaaK | chreuben, thanks! |
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| 22:56.17 | rocketmagnet | jhutchins: ty, i'll give it a try - but i want the grub bootscreen have 640x480 or higher (that works perfect), but when i do ctr+alt+f1 i get another mode that does not work so this seems to be another config |
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| 23:25.12 | dimitry7 | hey guys, a few days ago my backups failed. I found that my ssh, scp, rsync, etc didn't have the executable bit set. I set it with chmod and eveything worked fine: Today, another issue came up. We could not connect from it to a remote server |
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| 23:25.31 | dimitry7 | and the message was this: read_passphrase: can't open /dev/tty: Permission denied |
| 23:26.06 | dimitry7 | and I cound it had 600 permissions, i put 666 and it worked... what do you think is happening? why is my debian changing permissions like this? |
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| 23:27.15 | argoneus | Hello |
| 23:27.16 | argoneus | if I have a folder, e.g. /home/bla/anotherfolder, and I do chmod o= /home/bla, will anyone be able to see "anotherfolder"? I mean, do I need to do it recursively or is it enough on just the first folder? |
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| 23:28.23 | dimitry7 | * found |
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| 23:29.01 | rudi_s | argoneus: It's enough if you remove x on /home/bla |
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| 23:29.11 | argoneus | rudi_s: ah, okay, thanks |
| 23:29.13 | rudi_s | *and r |
| 23:29.15 | argoneus | rudi_s: one more thing |
| 23:29.28 | argoneus | what if I wanted to not let a group/user have access outside their home folder? |
| 23:29.34 | argoneus | like not let them read anything at all outside ~ |
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| 23:29.59 | argoneus | is there a simple way to do that? |
| 23:30.23 | rudi_s | argoneus: No. |
| 23:30.52 | argoneus | rudi_s: so if I let people into my vps, there's no easy way to prevent only these people from seeing my apache config files etc? |
| 23:31.02 | rudi_s | argoneus: You could chroot them, but that will get painfull if they should run commands. |
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| 23:31.23 | rudi_s | You can protect certain directories and files, but yes, they will see most of them. |
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| 23:32.04 | rudi_s | For apache config files you can change the permissions of the config files to www-data. |
| 23:33.02 | argoneus | www-data? |
| 23:33.27 | rudi_s | argoneus: Debian's user for apache. |
| 23:33.39 | argoneus | oh |
| 23:33.52 | wendywoo | hello. i'm using debian but always have to type startx to login to my desktop. my wm is stumpwm. which file do i edit to get x to run automatically after login? i'm confused as to whether i edit my ~/.bashrc or ~/.profile? or do i even need to create a ~/.bash_profile file and edit that? |
| 23:34.08 | argoneus | rudi_s: so something like |
| 23:34.17 | argoneus | change apache folder's owner |
| 23:34.20 | argoneus | I mean, group |
| 23:34.29 | argoneus | and don't add the people I want to hide it from to the group? |
| 23:34.45 | argoneus | and set permisions to g=rwx and o= ? |
| 23:35.43 | rudi_s | wendywoo: Use a (light) login like lightdm to start your window manager after login. |
| 23:36.07 | rudi_s | argoneus: Yes. Or even just 0700 with matching www-data user. |
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| 23:36.15 | argoneus | ah okay |
| 23:36.17 | argoneus | got it, thanks |
| 23:36.20 | argoneus | have a nice day |
| 23:36.22 | rudi_s | However depending on your situation, it may be best to not let those people on your server. |
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| 23:36.36 | rudi_s | local users always are a greater risk than remote users. |
| 23:36.40 | argoneus | oh, could you copypaste the last line? |
| 23:36.40 | argoneus | :< |
| 23:36.46 | rudi_s | However depending on your situation, it may be best to not let those people on your server. |
| 23:36.48 | wendywoo | rudi_s: oh i see. thanks. so this is a better method than editing files manually? |
| 23:36.49 | rudi_s | local users always are a greater risk than remote users. |
| 23:36.51 | argoneus | ahh |
| 23:37.03 | argoneus | ty |
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| 23:37.12 | rudi_s | wendywoo: There are AFAIK no files you can edit by default for a simple way to start a X11. |
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| 23:37.36 | rudi_s | You _could_ of course use profile and check for a running X11 session, but that's really crazy and will break with stuff like ssh. So don't do that. |
| 23:37.44 | rudi_s | Just use a simple login manager or start it manually. |
| 23:37.54 | wendywoo | rudi_s: ok, thank you for the advice. |
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| 23:39.02 | rudi_s | np |
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