| 00:00.06 | RobertoB_ | and skype too don't have a repository, so if I install it from packages it would soon gets outdated |
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| 00:08.08 | RobertoB_ | btw the behaviour I'd like to assume is more or less this: default: install from stable repo. Backports and PPA: upgrade only package needed as dependency from the package I installed from repository itself. // Backports: If a package has higher version in backports than in stable and is needed from a package installed from backports -> update it // PPA: if a package has an higher version then in stable ---> keep stable UNLESS |
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| 00:08.54 | RobertoB_ | is needed (dependency) a version higher then the one in stable ---> in this case search and maybe install backports |
| 00:09.20 | RobertoB_ | if it is not nor in stable nor in backports: go for it |
| 00:09.38 | RobertoB_ | what priority should I give, given this, to Stable, Backports and PPA? |
| 00:10.15 | abrotman | dpkg: tell RobertoB_ about pinning |
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| 00:11.18 | RobertoB_ | I've tried reading the docs |
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| 00:12.01 | RobertoB_ | but I came to nothing, but an huge headache |
| 00:12.35 | RobertoB_ | one thing maybe could solve the problem |
| 00:12.41 | RobertoB_ | the fact of being a dependency |
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| 00:16.03 | RobertoB_ | count towards the installation of packages with priority lower than 0? |
| 00:16.06 | RobertoB_ | *then |
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| 00:18.15 | RobertoB_ | the PPA should have a pinning value of 10 or 50, the Backports between 100 and 499 and the stable higher then 500, right? |
| 00:18.44 | themill | RobertoB_: you don't need to do anything with backports and stable. |
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| 00:19.31 | RobertoB_ | so I should only set the pinning value of 10 (or 50) to PPA, right? |
| 00:19.48 | RobertoB_ | does it change something the fact that I don't have an apt.conf file? |
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| 00:31.15 | somiaj | RobertoB_: you should not add a ppa for any reason to a debian install. |
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| 00:33.26 | RobertoB_ | Well, I've read this many times, and I thank you for reminding me this once more, but I've not asked if I should install them, I've asked how could I achieve a given result with pinning |
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| 00:33.26 | abrotman | somiaj: unless you wnat to practice breaking it? |
| 00:33.35 | abrotman | :) |
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| 00:35.38 | somiaj | abrotman: I guess that is a good reason. Lets just see how badly we can break this. |
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| 00:40.52 | abrotman | RobertoB_: eh .. what packages are in the PPA? |
| 00:42.00 | RobertoB_ | https://launchpad.net/~elementary-os/+archive/stable |
| 00:43.11 | abrotman | just gets worse and worse .. |
| 00:43.59 | abrotman | RobertoB_: are any of those packages in Debian? Do you even need pinning? |
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| 00:44.40 | RobertoB_ | some package needed for those, library mostly |
| 00:45.09 | RobertoB_ | give me one second and I'll tell you how many are in debian that I don't want to upgrade due to PPA |
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| 00:48.19 | RobertoB_ | abrotman: 16 packages would be updated from stable to PPAs if I don't pin |
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| 00:48.30 | RobertoB_ | between those I have installed |
| 00:48.36 | RobertoB_ | dunno if others would be |
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| 00:50.13 | RobertoB_ | girl.2-atk girl2.clutter girl.2-cogl firl.2-coglpango libatk1 libvlutter libclutter-gst libclutter-gtk libcogl-common libcogl-pango libcogl0 lib gee libopus libvpxi |
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| 00:54.04 | RobertoB_ | (question: creating your own backport of a package it is "freezed" or after creation it continue updating?) |
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| 00:57.38 | ryonaloli | how do i set up mail on a server so i can send to any address and receive from any address? |
| 00:57.49 | nell | flash has a 0 day |
| 00:57.53 | nell | how do I harden my distro |
| 00:58.14 | ryonaloli | e.g. so i can have mail like abuse@mysite.com without needing to create a seperate account for an "abuse" user |
| 00:58.18 | ryonaloli | nell: uninstall flash |
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| 00:58.37 | nell | idk if i even have it |
| 00:58.49 | ryonaloli | then you probably don't have to worry |
| 00:59.06 | somiaj | ryonaloli: you need some psudoe users set up and to define them a mailbox |
| 00:59.15 | abrotman | ryonaloli: what MTA are you using? |
| 00:59.20 | somiaj | ryonaloli: I don't know how to do this in exim, but I belive you can do this with postfix + dovecot |
| 00:59.30 | abrotman | somiaj: he doesn't actually need users to do that |
| 00:59.43 | ryonaloli | abrotman: if devcot is an mta, then that's probably what i'll use |
| 00:59.45 | civillian | somiaj: or dovecot necessarily |
| 00:59.54 | ryonaloli | as long as it's compatible with squirrelmail for webmail |
| 00:59.56 | abrotman | ryonaloli: it's not |
| 01:00.13 | ryonaloli | what is an mta then? |
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| 01:00.31 | ryonaloli | i know mail transport agent, but i don't know what i'm using |
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| 01:00.53 | abrotman | ryonaloli: Which distro are you using? |
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| 01:01.00 | ryonaloli | debian stable |
| 01:01.02 | nell | wait... ryonaloli ..you sound familiar |
| 01:01.05 | somiaj | abrotman: the mta doesn't need some sense of put this mail in this mailbox, which is what I meant by psudo-users? |
| 01:01.06 | nell | are you from G? |
| 01:01.18 | ryonaloli | G? if that's a channel, then no i'm not |
| 01:01.33 | nell | its the technology board on 4chan.. |
| 01:01.37 | ryonaloli | oh, /g/ |
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| 01:01.56 | ryonaloli | i go on /g/ yes, but i always post as anonymous |
| 01:02.08 | somiaj | civillian: yea I didn't think dovecot was necessarily, it is just the piece of software I have used to achive this. |
| 01:02.14 | nell | lmao |
| 01:02.19 | abrotman | somiaj: some MTAs can allow relaying for a host, regardless of actual address |
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| 01:03.02 | civillian | ryonaloli: so you want email for abuse@ to go to a specific user account on your local machine? |
| 01:03.22 | abrotman | no ... |
| 01:03.27 | ryonaloli | i want email going to anything@ to be saved |
| 01:03.49 | ryonaloli | so someone could send to abuse123@mysite.com and it'd be saved |
| 01:03.53 | abrotman | ryonaloli: you want to put this on the internet? |
| 01:04.23 | ryonaloli | what do you mean? |
| 01:04.29 | ryonaloli | this is for a website that is on the internet |
| 01:04.55 | abrotman | ryonaloli: first of all, you will only receive messages for MX or maybe A records pointed at your host .. not "any mail" |
| 01:05.08 | abrotman | unless you're going to spam yourself |
| 01:05.21 | ryonaloli | i'm not sure what that means |
| 01:05.28 | ryonaloli | any mail that goes to something@mysite.com |
| 01:05.38 | abrotman | ryonaloli: figure out what MTA you have first |
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| 01:05.57 | ryonaloli | postfix, i believe |
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| 01:06.23 | abrotman | so google "postfix wildcard delivery" or ask #postfix |
| 01:06.33 | somiaj | ryonaloli: double check, 'dpkg -l | grep postfix' -- that will tell you if it is installed, you can look at running procces to see if it is running |
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| 01:06.41 | ryonaloli | thank you abrotman |
| 01:06.50 | nell | uguu |
| 01:06.59 | nell | I want to connect my server to the internet |
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| 01:07.31 | somiaj | nell: well now that we got that out of the way, what os does your server run, and how do you want to connect it to the internet? |
| 01:07.54 | nell | It runs debian wheezy and I wanna use it for project management platforms |
| 01:07.59 | nell | like owncloud |
| 01:08.52 | somiaj | sounds like we need to define what 'connect to the internet' means here, I thought you ment get your network card up and running? Or do you mean get other machiens to be able to find you by a domain name or the likes? |
| 01:09.14 | nell | Get other machines to be able to find me |
| 01:09.36 | nell | should I setup dyndns / register a domain? |
| 01:09.45 | somiaj | nell: well this is usually done via a dns, do you have a domain name? Do you have a static ip, or are you interested in a dyndns name? |
| 01:10.12 | somiaj | nell: choice is really up to you, personal preference. Though if you don't have a static ip dyndns would work far better |
| 01:10.26 | nell | I can register a domain name [are there free ones or ones that don't require personal identifiable information?] I don't have a static IP but I'm intereted in having one |
| 01:11.10 | somiaj | nell: you will have to pay a small yearly fee to own a domain name, though there are some services that give dns for free subdomains, most dyndns sights are doing this |
| 01:11.59 | nell | I wanna put less trust on 3rd parties but still have stability & security for the platform |
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| 01:12.22 | brontosaurusrex | nell, subdomains like nell.kickass.org are free at afraid.org |
| 01:13.01 | somiaj | nell: then you'll have to pay the yearly registration fee on a domain name if you don't want to let some other third party give you free subdomain name pointing to your ip. |
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| 01:14.20 | nell | I wanna put something in between as a firewall or a bouncer and tunnel connection through ssh |
| 01:14.25 | abrotman | nell: what ISP do you have? |
| 01:14.32 | nell | I have verizon |
| 01:14.38 | abrotman | business? |
| 01:14.53 | somiaj | nell: running this server on your home network, or using some hosting company with a vps? |
| 01:15.02 | nell | it's a home network |
| 01:15.07 | abrotman | I doubt their residential service would allow you to run a mail server at home and get messages on port 25 |
| 01:15.29 | nell | ...I'm limited by my ISP of what I can do? |
| 01:15.40 | abrotman | seriously? this is news to you? |
| 01:16.25 | nell | Yeah.. I'm involved with startup so I'm learning as I go >_> |
| 01:17.10 | abrotman | nell: FIOS or DSL ? |
| 01:17.14 | nell | fios |
| 01:18.11 | abrotman | nell: http://www.dslreports.com/faq/verizonfios/1.3_IP_addresses_and_Port_Info#13225 .. Good luck |
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| 01:18.25 | abrotman | (old info, I'd email them and ask) |
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| 01:19.00 | nell | my router comes with a free backdoor |
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| 01:19.08 | nell | from fios |
| 01:19.21 | nell | I guess i should get a business ready solution.. |
| 01:19.26 | k-man | kdog, cool, thats good to know they worked :) |
| 01:19.39 | nell | but idk what to trust when the playing field is slanted |
| 01:20.55 | nell | are there other free services like freedns out there? |
| 01:21.05 | abrotman | ask google |
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| 01:21.27 | nell | google tells me no-ip |
| 01:21.39 | nell | startpage* |
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| 01:21.56 | brontosaurusrex | nell, afraid.org |
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| 01:22.30 | brontosaurusrex | been using that for years now. |
| 01:22.56 | nell | Thanks brontosaurusrex |
| 01:23.02 | nell | I just wanna connect cameras to the internet |
| 01:23.08 | nell | as well as project management solutions |
| 01:23.18 | nell | so i wanna build a really tight infrastructure |
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| 01:23.33 | nell | if there's recommended readings on that [I've gone through debian administrators handbook] |
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| 01:25.06 | nell | like benchmarks / audit checklist |
| 01:25.20 | nell | everything available on the web is atleast 7 years old >_> |
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| 01:47.58 | mns | how do I do a video screen capture on debian ? what can I use for that ? I want to then show the video to the folks at duckduckgo so that they can see what I'm seeing and maybe help resolve my issue or fix things on their end. |
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| 01:48.38 | peterrooney | mns: package "istanbul" may help you. |
| 01:49.20 | mns | peterrooney: ok will look at that, thanks. |
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| 01:51.28 | noalternative | I am trying to build a package from an upstream deb using the instructions here http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=228570 |
| 01:52.19 | noalternative | it is under building from non debianized source with dhmake |
| 01:52.29 | noalternative | I am having trouble with dhmake |
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| 01:53.34 | somiaj | noalternative: depends on the source how complicated of a debian/rules you need to create |
| 01:53.37 | noalternative | It keeps telling me I don |
| 01:54.09 | noalternative | t have teh package name and version even though I do. Here is the error |
| 01:54.13 | noalternative | noalternative@390e:~/midori_0.5.8$ dh_make For dh_make to find the package name and version, the current directory needs to be in the format of <package>-<version>. Alternatively use the -p flag using the format <name>_<version> to override it. I cannot understand the directory name or you have an invalid directory name! Your current directory is /home/noalternative/midori_0.5.8, perhaps you could try going to directory whe |
| 01:54.31 | noalternative | What am I doing wrong? |
| 01:54.41 | somiaj | noalternative: not reading the error |
| 01:55.16 | somiaj | noalternative: it says it has to be of the form midori-0.5.8 but yours is not of that form, it then says you can use the -p flag to override this default and use midori_0.5.8 form you have |
| 01:55.22 | mns | peterrooney: seems like I needed to search for screencast and get what I wanted. |
| 01:56.43 | noalternative | Ok but the directions on the forum say the opposite |
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| 01:57.01 | noalternative | it specificallyt tells you to change names from - to _ |
| 01:58.24 | noalternative | but what you said was helpful |
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| 01:58.57 | somiaj | noalternative: those instructions are a few years old, maybe then dh_make used ither options or it is something the forum writer overlooked |
| 01:59.36 | somiaj | noalternative: anyways it just seems it would prefer you changed the name of the directory (note deb-buildpackge will create multiple things some of which will have a foo-bar.ext others will be foo_bar.ext |
| 01:59.44 | somiaj | I do not know the convention as to what the difference is |
| 02:00.03 | ag4ve_ | i'm trying to install a dl380 g5 and i've installed firmware-bnx2 deb. however it can't find the /lib/firmware binary |
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| 02:00.11 | ag4ve_ | any suggestions? |
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| 02:00.39 | noalternative | thanks somia |
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| 02:01.50 | somiaj | ag4ve_: so you are trying to install debian on this server and need firmware for the network card but are having trouble getting the installer to detect it? |
| 02:02.02 | somiaj | ag4ve_: what install medium are you using and how did you create it? |
| 02:02.25 | ag4ve_ | well, i installed it without network support |
| 02:02.52 | ag4ve_ | i've got a running system and it complains when i try to bring the if up |
| 02:03.10 | somiaj | ag4ve_: so you copied the firmware deb to the machine and tried to dpkg -i it? |
| 02:03.19 | ag4ve_ | yup |
| 02:03.35 | somiaj | ag4ve_: and it gave an error? Could you give the exact error? |
| 02:03.54 | ag4ve_ | and i see it is listed under /lib/firmware |
| 02:04.23 | ag4ve_ | sec on the message |
| 02:04.37 | somiaj | ag4ve_: okay trying to catch up to where you are, then you modprobe -r modulename and modprobe modulename to reload it, and it still doesn't see the firmware |
| 02:04.51 | somiaj | ag4ve_: I'm trying to figure out where the error is, if the package installed just fine, lets focus on loading the module |
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| 02:05.53 | ag4ve_ | bnx2 0000:03:00.0: firmware: failed to load bnx2/bnx2-mips-06.6.2.3.fs (-2) |
| 02:06.32 | ag4ve_ | RTNETLINK answers: No such file or directory |
| 02:06.55 | somiaj | ag4ve_: this is after you have either rebooted or reloaded the module? |
| 02:07.24 | ag4ve_ | i rebooted, yes |
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| 02:07.51 | somiaj | ag4ve_: and this is on wheezy? What is the exact network card you have? |
| 02:08.06 | somiaj | ag4ve_: and is the error really have a .fs in it, (not .fw)? |
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| 02:09.12 | ag4ve_ | Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme II BCM5706 Gigabit Ethernet |
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| 02:09.35 | ag4ve_ | doh, yeah, the error is fw |
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| 02:09.52 | nezZario | What's the easiest way to install frm USB? I have the ISO's downloaded .. the DVD ISO's .. any way I can use/convert them? |
| 02:09.57 | nezZario | I just don't have a lot of bandwidth here |
| 02:09.58 | ag4ve_ | i'm copying from a screen (obviously no ssh :)) |
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| 02:10.34 | somiaj | nezZario: all the debian iso's are hybrid, so you can jsut do a direct write of the .iso to the usb drive and it will work |
| 02:10.41 | ag4ve_ | nezZario: dd of=/dev/usbthing if=debian.iso |
| 02:10.44 | somiaj | nezZario: what os will you be creating the usb from? |
| 02:11.01 | nezZario | i have ubuntu and win boxes in the house, so dd wiill work |
| 02:11.03 | ag4ve_ | (or anything created with isolinux) |
| 02:11.08 | somiaj | ag4ve_: cp actually works faster (need to set the bock write size with dd) |
| 02:11.29 | somiaj | nezZario: cp filename.iso /dev/sdc (assuming that /dev/sdc is your usb drive, double check as all info on the usb will be lost) |
| 02:11.40 | nezZario | i am 110% done with ubuntu's shit, quite honestly |
| 02:11.42 | ag4ve_ | you generally don't need to set bs - iirc it assumes 4M |
| 02:11.48 | somiaj | ag4ve_: can you get me the pciid of that card? I just want to make sure that it is supported in wheezy and you don't need a backported kernel. |
| 02:11.55 | nezZario | i thought it was like 4K? |
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| 02:12.40 | nezZario | anyone know the approx. d/l size for going from stable to testing currently? |
| 02:13.00 | somiaj | nezZario: depends totally on how many packages you have installed |
| 02:13.13 | somiaj | nezZario: so assume about the size of your current install pluss a little bit more for new libs that will get pulled in |
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| 02:14.08 | ag4ve_ | 14e4:164a |
| 02:14.19 | nezZario | really? i wouldn't think every single lib/pkg would get replaced |
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| 02:14.34 | abrotman | nezZario: yes, plus more |
| 02:14.37 | dvs | nezZario: oh yeah, that'll probably happen |
| 02:14.49 | zykotick9 | nezZario: it won't, but it's a "safe" assumption... |
| 02:14.57 | somiaj | nezZario: only if you have dead (i.e. no longer updated probabaly not much matiance) software will it not be a newer vetrsion. |
| 02:15.16 | nezZario | ah, well hell, i'll just wait tomorrow and grab a new ISO |
| 02:15.31 | nezZario | I have data caps at home :( |
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| 02:15.31 | somiaj | nezZario: so there are some packages the version dosen't upgrade, but these are rare |
| 02:15.40 | abrotman | but .. the ISO would be out of date? |
| 02:15.43 | zykotick9 | somiaj: there as quite a lot of packages with the same version in oldstable/stable/testing/sid... |
| 02:16.13 | nezZario | I thought there were testing iso's ? |
| 02:16.15 | somiaj | nezZario: you won't get decent iso's or an installer for testing |
| 02:16.16 | zykotick9 | was suprised by this... |
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| 02:16.44 | nezZario | well what the shit. i guess I can grab the .debs and put them into the cache dir ? |
| 02:16.55 | nezZario | or just run stable, i guess it wouldn't be that bad |
| 02:16.59 | somiaj | zykotick9: I am too, I know I've seen various old projects just stay around because they work fine, but I woudln't think it would be that high among common stuff people use. |
| 02:17.11 | somiaj | nezZario: stable + backports should suit ya fine |
| 02:17.35 | zykotick9 | somiaj: stable + backports FTW ;) |
| 02:17.38 | somiaj | ,pciid 14e4:164a |
| 02:17.39 | judd | [14e4:164a] is 'NetXtreme II BCM5706 Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'bnx2' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:164a |
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| 02:18.34 | somiaj | ag4ve_: It seems like it should be support, so run 'modprobe -r bnx2 && modprobe bnx2' -- then look at demsg | tail -- still the error about missing firmware, and as you said you looked and the file is in the right spot? |
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| 02:20.17 | ag4ve_ | there are other versions of the file under /lib/firmware/bnx2 but not the version it wants |
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| 02:20.49 | ag4ve_ | not sure how to tell it to look for a different file...? |
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| 02:21.10 | somiaj | ag4ve_: what version of debain are you on? And what version of the firmware package did you install |
| 02:21.45 | somiaj | ag4ve_: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/firmware-bnx2/filelist -- I thought I saw the one it was complaining about in the wheezy list, 06-6.2.3.fw correct? |
| 02:21.58 | abrotman | ag4ve_: is this a new install? |
| 02:22.12 | abrotman | maybe just use the firmware images? |
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| 02:22.30 | ag4ve_ | yeah, i installed testing 7.something... |
| 02:22.32 | dvs | too easy |
| 02:22.43 | abrotman | 7.x isn't testing |
| 02:22.47 | dvs | anymore |
| 02:22.54 | dvs | how long ago? |
| 02:22.58 | weaktea | is there a simple way to run commands through an SSH session as the same user but as if it were the tty session? |
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| 02:23.15 | somiaj | weaktea: what do you mean by that? |
| 02:23.40 | somiaj | weaktea: you have ssh'd into a machine and run to run a command so it stays running but you can logout? |
| 02:23.56 | ag4ve_ | /etc/debian_version says jessie/sid |
| 02:24.02 | zykotick9 | weaktea: fyi, a TTY session is _ANY_ terminal session, xorg OR console... |
| 02:24.06 | weaktea | somiaj, for example, wmctrl is failing to execute a command, likely because of some xauthority issue or something (xeyes executes fine but wmctrl isn't doing what its told through SSH) |
| 02:24.17 | weaktea | but, if I run the same wmctrl command on the machine itself it works fine |
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| 02:24.28 | weaktea | I'm wondering if there is a way to "pretend" the machine is running that command locally |
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| 02:24.53 | somiaj | weaktea: you might just have to tell it what DISPLAY to run on, 'DISPLAY=":0.0" command' |
| 02:25.06 | weaktea | zykotick9: my bad, I was referring to the output of "w" being that one of the sessions has TTY listed as tty 7 and FRO :0 |
| 02:25.17 | weaktea | somiaj: I have exported display on the SSH session, still no go |
| 02:25.20 | weaktea | xeyes works fine |
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| 02:25.26 | weaktea | and it loads on the remote machine ( i can see it in VNC) |
| 02:25.32 | weaktea | but wmctrl is not |
| 02:25.41 | heedly | I just installed debian, and it boots up fine. But it just hangs with the console when loading X windows |
| 02:25.44 | weaktea | error: No protocol specified. cannot open display. |
| 02:25.47 | heedly | how do I debug? |
| 02:25.57 | heedly | Alt+F2 and so on doesn't work |
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| 02:26.03 | ag4ve_ | 22:21 < somiaj> ag4ve_: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/firmware-bnx2/filelist -- I thought I saw the one it was complaining about in the wheezy list, 06-6.2.3.fw correct? |
| 02:26.05 | ag4ve_ | ah yeah |
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| 02:26.48 | somiaj | ag4ve_: so again what version of the firmware package did you isntall and what version of debian are you running? |
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| 02:27.08 | zykotick9 | heedly: if you have nivida/ati you might want to play with nomodeset? but that doesn't _really_ sound like your issue... good luck. |
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| 02:28.29 | somiaj | weaktea: sounds like wmctrl might need more than the $DISPLAY set, I am unsure what else will be needed |
| 02:28.57 | heedly | zykotick9: How would I get to set that? |
| 02:29.05 | heedly | right now I can't access anything |
| 02:29.09 | weaktea | somiaj: Turns out I was accidently running the wmctrl command with sudo in the beginning, that's what was messing it up. Overlooked it, but thanks |
| 02:29.16 | zykotick9 | heedly: it's a kernel option, e at grub menu. |
| 02:29.45 | somiaj | weaktea: looks like you may also need to set the Xautority info as well for this. http://superuser.com/questions/190801/linux-wmctrl-cannot-open-display-when-session-initiated-via-sshscreen I found via google |
| 02:30.07 | ag4ve_ | /home/swilson/Downloads/firmware-bnx2_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb |
| 02:30.15 | ag4ve_ | oh, that might be an issue.... |
| 02:30.32 | weaktea | somiaj: seems I didn't even have to do that (perhapos because I am SSHd as the same user that's running x?) but good reference, either way. Thanks |
| 02:30.34 | somiaj | heedly: booting into single user recovery mode or using a live image and disabling your display manager might be a start, this way you can at least get into your system and then debug what is wrong with x |
| 02:31.09 | somiaj | weaktea: yea the same user should have the .Xauthority info in the same place, it was sudo, so that should be fine |
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| 02:31.20 | noalternative | getting more errors trying to use dh_make on nondebianized source. |
| 02:31.24 | noalternative | Could not find midori_0.5.8.orig.tar.gz Either specify an alternate file to use with -f, or add --createorig to create one. |
| 02:31.32 | noalternative | what is it asking for |
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| 02:31.52 | somiaj | ag4ve_: so you downloaded a squeeze deb, I think we should figure out what version of debian you are running (I hope it is wheezy) so we can tell you now, only download and isntall stuff for wheezy on it, (do not mix releases/versions) |
| 02:32.08 | somiaj | ag4ve_: but yea, go grab the wheezy package if you have wheezy, if you really have squeeze, well I'd just reinstall wheezy |
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| 02:32.43 | noalternative | There is no file of this name. What I tried to create with --createorig it told me command not found. Even when I pasted it in to make sure there were no spelling errors |
| 02:32.58 | ag4ve_ | yeah, that would seem to be the issue (haven't installed it yet, but...) |
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| 02:33.22 | abrotman | ag4ve_: dpkg -l libc6 .. what is the libc6 version string? |
| 02:33.33 | ag4ve_ | actually, just symlinked the closest version with what it was looking for and am online, so now i'll do this with apt |
| 02:33.53 | noalternative | I pasted in midori_0.5.8.orig.tar.gz --createorig |
| 02:34.04 | ag4ve_ | 2.17 |
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| 02:34.45 | dvs | at least testing |
| 02:35.34 | abrotman | judd: versions libc6 |
| 02:35.35 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u1; jessie: 2.18-4; sid: 2.18-5 |
| 02:35.40 | noalternative | the response was command not found, so now I don't know what it is asking for |
| 02:35.40 | abrotman | it's some half version |
| 02:35.42 | abrotman | awesome |
| 02:35.49 | abrotman | or not Debian at all |
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| 02:36.27 | somiaj | and this is running on a server |
| 02:37.40 | somiaj | noalternative: try adding the --native option, so dh_make --native |
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| 02:38.04 | noalternative | as a command or to a file? |
| 02:38.37 | somiaj | noalternative: as in when you run dh_make add the --native flag to tell it not to care about the original source in a tar.gz (which I found by reading hte man page for dh_make) |
| 02:38.54 | noalternative | ok I did it as a command and it helped |
| 02:39.05 | noalternative | we'll see if I can get this |
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| 02:40.20 | somiaj | noalternative: the defaults are mose set for building a package for debian (not just a local .deb for your own use). So you have to give dh_make some additional flags to say I'm building this for local use, I use 'dh_make -s -n' (the -s is single package so it wont' get split into libs and such) |
| 02:40.31 | somiaj | noalternative: again I assume you are just wanting to build a .deb for your own personal use |
| 02:40.48 | ag4ve_ | any place i can download a decently complete sources.list? |
| 02:41.13 | wols_ | !tell ag4ve_ about wheezy sources.list |
| 02:41.37 | dvs | chaging distros by changes the sources list? |
| 02:41.43 | somiaj | ag4ve_: until we know exactaly what version you are running and what you ahve installed our advise won't be good. |
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| 02:42.07 | somiaj | ag4ve_: last we checked you are either running some outdated version of testing or some other os that isn't debian. |
| 02:42.57 | themill | notes that "2.17" isn't the output that dpkg -l libc6 gives |
| 02:43.08 | heedly | somiaj: thanks |
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| 02:43.26 | heedly | so how do I configure X automagically? |
| 02:43.55 | somiaj | heedly: just use a blank xorg.conf file, shoudl be sufficent. If it doesn't detect somethign then we can add small snippits to help |
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| 02:49.16 | ag4ve_ | i'm running jessie and with wols_ 's comment, i'm good. thanks |
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| 04:19.28 | heedly | Is there a tool I can run that will repeat the network setup in the installer? |
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| 04:32.41 | btaranto | how do i fix? |
| 04:32.58 | btaranto | debian 7.4 |
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| 05:37.16 | cnz | how can I remove all packages that start with gnome |
| 05:37.28 | cnz | for example aptitude purge gnome |
| 05:37.45 | themill | cnz: ~n^gnome~i |
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| 06:03.42 | heedly | Is there a tool I can run that will repeat the network setup in the installer? |
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| 06:15.27 | SirLagz | heedly: what do you need to do ? |
| 06:15.43 | SirLagz | heedly: IIRC the installer only sets Static or DHCP configuration... |
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| 06:17.38 | heedly | SirLagz: well, I had to stop configuration of the network, cause my network card wasn't supported. Now I've built a new kernel with support |
| 06:18.08 | heedly | Now I've already edited /etc/network/interfaces, but I get an error, when I run ifup |
| 06:18.15 | SirLagz | heedly: what's the error ? |
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| 06:19.03 | heedly | SirLagz: wpa_supplicant: /sbin/wpa_supplicant failed to start |
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| 06:19.41 | SirLagz | heedly: what happens if you try and start wpa_supplicant manually ? |
| 06:20.15 | heedly | I get the usage message |
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| 06:20.50 | SirLagz | heedly: you need to set the driver and stuff when you start it manually |
| 06:21.41 | heedly | hmm, no config file |
| 06:22.20 | SirLagz | heedly: create one with wpa-passphrase - i think it was |
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| 06:24.49 | frameBufferError | I'm trying to install testing after burning dvd 1 of the installer on a blank HDD. Problem: after booting to dvd and selecting either install option (install or graphical install) the screen goes black aside from a colored pixel garbage at the top of the screen. |
| 06:24.58 | frameBufferError | I found in the docs that if I get "colored pixel garbage" I should passing fg=false as a boot parameter. How do I do this? 5.3 in the docs is opaque to me. |
| 06:25.04 | frameBufferError | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s04.html |
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| 06:27.33 | somiaj | frameBufferError: what dvd1 are you talking about? I would trust any dvd1 that is labeled testing |
| 06:27.52 | somiaj | oh you have the wheezy dvd, that makes more sense. (: |
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| 06:28.49 | frameBufferError | I am using amd64: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/jessie_di_alpha_1/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
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| 06:29.38 | somiaj | yea I wouldn't trust that alpha installer, go grab a wheezy net install, install a stable base system then upgrade to testing frameBufferError |
| 06:29.41 | somiaj | !testing installer |
| 06:29.43 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 06:31.18 | frameBufferError | Yes, I know this. But can you tell me how to pass these boot parameters for now? I'll burn another disc. |
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| 06:37.14 | MrNaz | ok soi've used tzselect and have set up ntp...but when i type uptime i'm still getting a time that's in the wrong timezone |
| 06:37.30 | MrNaz | what do i need to do to get my server to use a specirfic timezone as the system time? |
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| 06:47.23 | frameBufferError | Ok i have same problem with stable, how to "can use the boot parameter fb=false to disable the framebuffer."? |
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| 06:48.40 | gregor2 | can annyone help me |
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| 06:49.04 | gregor2 | if i close the lid of my laptop my pc gos in suspend mode |
| 06:49.13 | gregor2 | but i want that nothin happens |
| 06:49.19 | gregor2 | i have gnome! |
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| 06:56.33 | shevek_ | What happens if I have the same file (identical binary) in two .debs? Can they both be installed together? If I remove the second one, is dpkg intelligent enough to leave one copy of the file there? |
| 06:57.05 | shevek_ | Background: I'm trying to package a product which has plugins, and some of the plugins have common dependency libraries, and I don't want to make one .deb per library. |
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| 07:09.16 | themill | shevek_: 2 packages can't have the same file path in them at all with one exception: packages for two different architectures that are marked as "multi-arch: same" can have the same identical files in them and dpkg will do refcounting for those files |
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| 07:10.14 | shevek_ | themill, is multi-arch: same going to help me? These are JAR files, so they are architecture independent. |
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| 07:11.12 | shevek_ | doesn't look like it. :-( |
| 07:11.27 | gregor2 | how do i get to gnome tweak tool? |
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| 07:12.44 | shevek_ | I'm using gradle to spit out a set of plugins, so each one gets built into a deb as the plugin plus all direct deps, but every plugin has guava as a dep, for example. |
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| 07:15.07 | edrahn | I just install debian, and gnome looks totally different from a different install |
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| 07:15.19 | edrahn | How do I get them to act the same? |
| 07:16.05 | edrahn | Like in on the upper left corner in a menu, and in the other it's Activities |
| 07:16.17 | themill | shevek_: no, multiarch does not help you here. One package per library is pretty standard unless you can group a pile of them together into a "common" package. |
| 07:16.18 | edrahn | I checked that they are running the same version |
| 07:17.29 | gellioth | maybe the computer doesn't support the configuration of gnome3 and uses fallback version edrahn: |
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| 07:18.04 | edrahn | gellioth: how would I check that? |
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| 07:19.22 | gellioth | if you are in fallback desktop you will see in upright corner 3 menus |
| 07:20.06 | gellioth | that's all, what kind of video card has that computer (with fallback) |
| 07:20.17 | gellioth | ? |
| 07:20.35 | gellioth | left left sorry |
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| 07:22.50 | edrahn | gellioth: both are using built in intel video |
| 07:23.13 | edrahn | I only see 2 menus in the corner |
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| 07:24.04 | gellioth | yes yes, that's ok, in one computer you have a better video than in the other one |
| 07:24.35 | gellioth | mi laptop doesn't support gnome3, I use xfce instead |
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| 07:26.16 | gellioth | If you dont care, I recommend you to use xfce in the computer with the problem, it will be fast |
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| 07:27.30 | paul_andrew | Hello what does it means when a service starts with star instead of OK |
| 07:27.39 | shevek_ | perhaps today isn't my day for irc :( |
| 07:28.02 | gellioth | if you are curious, you can have a very customized desktop, edrahn: |
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| 07:33.36 | gellioth | I don't know, I don't have that task manager, paul_andrew |
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| 07:34.37 | welpShitsBroke | So, I'm installing wheezy 7.5 from dvd (amd64) and after booting into the disc I get "error prefix not set" |
| 07:34.49 | welpShitsBroke | then it goes black, never shows a menu |
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| 07:35.16 | YellowRiver | loooooooooooooool |
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| 07:36.05 | paul_andrew | gellioth: its debian 7.4, issues with omsa service for a dell server. |
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| 07:38.44 | gellioth | sorry I was thinking that you have a graphical desktop |
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| 07:39.51 | paul_andrew | actually i do, but the server has not. |
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| 07:42.15 | gellioth | sleep |
| 07:42.21 | gellioth | time to sleep |
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| 08:00.37 | babilen | alkisg: Try #debconf on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 08:00.44 | alkisg | Thank you babilen |
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| 08:19.48 | ebfull | or other files / directories getting bigger |
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| 08:52.56 | k-man | how do i compleetly remove gnome and switch to xfce? i tried task-xfce-desktop but when i startx, x still loads gnome |
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| 08:53.43 | txomon|fon | k-man, use the DE selector |
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| 08:53.51 | txomon|fon | you can choose what to boot with |
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| 08:54.12 | k-man | txomon|fon, what is the DE selector? |
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| 08:54.38 | txomon|fon | in the login menu |
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| 08:55.00 | k-man | from gdm? |
| 08:55.04 | babilen | k-man: I wouldn't necessarily recommend to use startx, but look into configuring x-session-manager in the alternative system or write your own ~/.xsession file (take care to initialise dbus, consolekit, logind, ... correctly there) |
| 08:55.40 | txomon|fon | when you are about to put the password, you can choose another desktop environment |
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| 09:13.55 | __julien | Hi, where should I put host-specific private key and public certificate in debian/ubuntu ? ( for RedHat there's e/etc/pki but debian seems to use /etc/ssl only for trusted CAs) |
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| 09:15.45 | tremon | __julien: there's /etc/ssl/private |
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| 09:16.46 | __julien | tremon, thanks |
| 09:18.27 | tremon | I'm not sure if there's a canonical location for the public part. I guess it can be either in /etc/ssl/certs or a program-specific confdir |
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| 09:21.21 | jmd | I want to arrange for /etc/network/interfaces to connect to alternative neworks depending on runlevel. How can I achieve that? |
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| 09:25.00 | __julien | for apache ssl private key and cert, should they be under /etc/apache2/ssl or under /etc/ssl ? |
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| 09:27.15 | tremon | if they're only for apache, I'd put them in /etc/apache2/ssl |
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| 09:30.51 | tremon | jmd: maybe through interface mappings? e.g. mapping eth0 ; script /sbin/runlevel ? see man interfaces |
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| 09:31.58 | jmd | Obviously I have looked at the man page. |
| 09:32.13 | jmd | I don't see where it says how to solve that problem. |
| 09:32.21 | tremon | that was not obvious from your question :) |
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| 09:33.23 | jmd | I used to append all my questions with "yes, I have read the documentation" but that also annoyed people. |
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| 09:33.55 | jmd | So I don't anymore, and now I'm back to getting told "RTFM". |
| 09:34.11 | tremon | the way I read the man page, you need a script that outputs a single word that's used as a key in the "map" statements |
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| 09:34.26 | _FBi | I'm trying to add ipv6 to my server, dmesg is saying no ipv6 routers present :( |
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| 09:34.47 | tremon | every map defines a separate interface stanza that can be brought up instead of the physical interface definition |
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| 09:36.33 | tremon | to check the runlevel, you might simply use script /sbin/runlevel | cut -c3 |
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| 09:37.59 | jmd | ok I will try something like that. |
| 09:38.48 | tremon | _FBi: that's the kernel notifying you that autoconfig of ipv6 failed. It doesn't mean you cannot use ipv6 with a static route |
| 09:38.59 | _FBi | 10-4 |
| 09:39.21 | _FBi | I believe my static route is setup correctly, but I don't see them when I ifconfig |
| 09:39.28 | tremon | but non-autoconfig setups are very rare, and it's likely that if your router doesn't advertise ipv6, it doesn't support it at all |
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| 09:40.57 | tremon | _FBi: are you using a tunnel? Please paste the output of ip link and ip addr? |
| 09:41.27 | tremon | add ip -6 addr for good measure, too |
| 09:41.30 | _FBi | 2: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP mode DEFAULT qlen 1000 |
| 09:41.30 | _FBi | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:41.35 | _FBi | bah, sorry |
| 09:41.38 | _FBi | I'll past bin |
| 09:41.47 | tremon | thanks |
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| 09:47.38 | _FBi | wgetpaste is failing me haha :( |
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| 09:49.55 | _FBi | http://codepad.org/whWt0kJW |
| 09:50.37 | _FBi | http://codepad.org/0eas9fIh |
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| 09:51.23 | tremon | yep. No routable ipv6 addresses there. How did you try to setup your static route? |
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| 09:52.28 | _FBi | copied it from my other server :/ nano /etc/network/interface |
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| 09:53.11 | tremon | can you paste that file? |
| 09:53.35 | _FBi | yes |
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| 09:54.50 | _FBi | http://codepad.org/qGoLRrTt |
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| 09:56.53 | jmd | tremon: What exactly should that script return? |
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| 09:57.12 | touki | Hi guys. |
| 09:57.25 | touki | My gnome-wheezy is freezing more or less randomly. |
| 09:57.33 | tremon | jmd: one single letter indicating the current runlevel. Try running it (or plain /sbin/runlevel) in the terminal |
| 09:57.41 | touki | I would say that flash or video are increasing the freezing risk. |
| 09:57.54 | touki | I'm on a quite recent asus (one year). |
| 09:58.10 | touki | I have the impression that CPU is heating when it happens. |
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| 09:58.19 | touki | Any idea? How to check that? |
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| 10:00.03 | _FBi | sorry to bother you tremon , any thoughts? |
| 10:00.21 | tremon | _FBi: and this config is working on the other machine? It's not what I would have expected, you are a) setting a default gateway that is not reachable by the default address b) manually setting a link-local address that looks suspiciously like the autoconfig address |
| 10:00.44 | tremon | _FBi: what happens if you manually run one of the up-lines from that script? |
| 10:00.58 | _FBi | I can try |
| 10:01.08 | jmd | Well when I do that, I get "Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=2" |
| 10:01.09 | _FBi | but if the gateway isn't working :/ |
| 10:01.41 | jmd | which is what I understand from the man page is supposed to happen if I do that. |
| 10:01.45 | tremon | it's not working because it's unreachable. Your interface only knows how to reach fe80::/64, and 2a00:: isn't on that subnet |
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| 10:02.50 | tremon | jmd: do you have a "map 2 wlan-runlevel2" line in the mappings wlan section, and a corresponding interface wlan-runlevel2 defined? |
| 10:02.50 | _FBi | yes I thought that was odd |
| 10:03.07 | _FBi | ip -6 added it |
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| 10:04.17 | tremon | good. now check with ip -6 ro if the default route already exists, or add it with ip -6 route add default via 2a00:d880:3:1::1 -- alternatively, try to ping the gateway first |
| 10:05.03 | jmd | tremon: I do now (and no difference) |
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| 10:06.09 | _FBi | network unreachable |
| 10:06.59 | _FBi | RTNETLINK answers: No route to host |
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| 10:07.25 | tremon | _FBi: can you paste ip -6 ad and ip -6 ro again? |
| 10:08.04 | _FBi | (rebooting) if RTNETLINK means RealTek, that's not setup right |
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| 10:09.14 | tremon | it doesn't, rtnetlink is the kernel's routing table iirc |
| 10:09.31 | tremon | jmd: sadly, that's about all I can help you with. It's not something I have used before, maybe someone else can help you further |
| 10:09.46 | jmd | ok |
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| 10:11.05 | tremon | _FBi: btw the /proc/ settings are better configured through /etc/sysctl.d |
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| 10:14.55 | S4nD3r | Hi guys, I have a problem when try to use graphical login in wheezy+nvidia driver. There's a black screen. In a google search, there's something wrong with glx library. I'd like some help. The informations are in http://paste.debian.net/96939/ |
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| 10:17.06 | tremon | S4nD3r: how did you install the nvidia driver? |
| 10:17.20 | _FBi | tremon, http://codepad.org/9MdBY8Fk |
| 10:17.53 | S4nD3r | Sure. |
| 10:18.08 | SynrG | that chipset supports optimus. does it have it? |
| 10:18.16 | S4nD3r | I have a fresh debian install |
| 10:18.37 | S4nD3r | just installed the need to put the driver |
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| 10:18.54 | S4nD3r | the driver is loaded |
| 10:19.02 | SynrG | S4nD3r: uh. you didn't answer tremon's question at all. |
| 10:19.04 | S4nD3r | I get to put cuda to running on it |
| 10:19.11 | S4nD3r | oh sorry |
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| 10:19.40 | S4nD3r | I used the script sgfxi |
| 10:19.47 | SynrG | fail |
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| 10:20.24 | tremon | S4nD3r: see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22 on how to do it properly ;) |
| 10:20.29 | S4nD3r | I didn't get success following the nvidiagraphics page in debian wik |
| 10:20.36 | tremon | ah ok ;) |
| 10:20.39 | tremon | nvm then |
| 10:20.40 | SynrG | your chipset supports optimus. |
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| 10:20.45 | SynrG | does your system have optimus? |
| 10:21.06 | S4nD3r | yes |
| 10:21.11 | S4nD3r | in nvidia video card |
| 10:21.15 | S4nD3r | i guess |
| 10:21.31 | SynrG | i guess? no, this is something you need to be sure about. optimus is supported by bumblebee-nvidia |
| 10:21.38 | S4nD3r | but I dont't have option to turn it on or off in BIOS |
| 10:21.51 | SynrG | lspci | grep -i vga |
| 10:22.01 | SynrG | two graphics cards matched, nvidia and intel? |
| 10:22.07 | S4nD3r | sure |
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| 10:22.15 | SynrG | then you have optimus |
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| 10:22.18 | SynrG | !bumblebee |
| 10:22.18 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian in <testing> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
| 10:22.27 | tremon | _FBi: you might want to ip addr flush eth0 and configure it by hand, see if you can get it to work that way |
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| 10:22.45 | _FBi | will do |
| 10:22.50 | S4nD3r | I don't need bumblebee |
| 10:22.54 | S4nD3r | Do I? |
| 10:22.57 | SynrG | S4nD3r: if you need the proprietary driver, just follow the Bumblebee wiki instructions and install bumblebee-nvidia, not bumblebee. |
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| 10:23.13 | SynrG | S4nD3r: you tell me. are you happy looking at a black screen? |
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| 10:23.29 | SynrG | if the video is switched off, bumblebee allows switching ... |
| 10:23.41 | SynrG | seems like a good idea to me. |
| 10:23.48 | S4nD3r | when I get rid of xorg.conf file |
| 10:23.54 | S4nD3r | graphical login comes back |
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| 10:24.05 | SynrG | probably autodetecting intel and using that |
| 10:24.17 | SynrG | i think that's normal for optimus systems ... |
| 10:24.18 | babilen | yeah |
| 10:24.35 | babilen | dpkg: tell S4nD3r about empty xorg.conf |
| 10:24.40 | babilen | dpkg: tell S4nD3r about xorg.conf.d |
| 10:25.11 | SynrG | S4nD3r: i have no idea what your script did. figure out what the script did to your system and undo it |
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| 10:25.17 | SynrG | does the script support uninstall? |
| 10:25.28 | SynrG | then install bumblebee-nvidia as per the wiki instructions. |
| 10:25.31 | S4nD3r | yes |
| 10:25.37 | S4nD3r | I'll try it! |
| 10:25.40 | S4nD3r | thank you |
| 10:25.43 | tremon | _FBi: btw, all your "ip /sbin/ip" lines are missing subnet masks. They all need /64 (or /48) after the ipv6 address |
| 10:25.45 | SynrG | good luck |
| 10:25.53 | S4nD3r | I'll come back to tell you about this try |
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| 10:28.40 | wshV | :) |
| 10:28.48 | S4nD3r | Jessie is the last stable debian? |
| 10:29.00 | SynrG | what?? |
| 10:29.01 | SynrG | no |
| 10:29.06 | S4nD3r | wheezy? |
| 10:29.16 | SynrG | S4nD3r: jessie is the *next* stable debian. wheezy is current stable. |
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| 10:29.22 | S4nD3r | Ok. |
| 10:29.34 | SynrG | (channel topic) |
| 10:29.37 | wshV | where could i find help (regarding, related to) installing Jessie? |
| 10:29.58 | S4nD3r | I'm asking because in the bumblebee wiki tells to "upgrade to jessie or sid" |
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| 10:30.10 | SynrG | S4nD3r: then you're looking at the wrong section ... |
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| 10:30.16 | S4nD3r | No no |
| 10:30.25 | S4nD3r | I'm just reading the informations |
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| 10:30.39 | wshV | what bumblebee do you have? |
| 10:30.55 | SynrG | S4nD3r: that page says "if" |
| 10:31.07 | SynrG | S4nD3r: i'm betting the "if" doesn't apply to you |
| 10:31.24 | _FBi | tremon, manually works :/ |
| 10:31.25 | S4nD3r | the problem is not the IF |
| 10:31.28 | S4nD3r | but the upgrade |
| 10:31.29 | S4nD3r | ;) |
| 10:31.42 | S4nD3r | in sid case, should be downgrade |
| 10:31.47 | SynrG | the upgrade is not a problem if the "if" doesn't apply to you ... |
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| 10:31.59 | SynrG | "Note wheezy-backports does not contain the newer xserver-xorg-video-intel package that is needed by newer intel cards. If you find yourself stuck with the fbdev or vesa driver then you'll need to upgrade to jessie or sid." |
| 10:32.14 | wshV | if i repeat my question will it be regarded as spam? |
| 10:32.34 | SynrG | wshV: where to find help about installing jessie? see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net |
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| 10:32.49 | S4nD3r | Ok SynrG. When go to next version, it's a upgrade, in opposite is a downgrade |
| 10:32.52 | SynrG | sorry. multitasking about four things. you just exceeded my threshold ... :) |
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| 10:32.56 | S4nD3r | that's the point |
| 10:33.07 | SynrG | S4nD3r: um? |
| 10:33.21 | S4nD3r | this is not so important |
| 10:33.29 | SynrG | S4nD3r: you do not need to upgrade. so ignore that point. :) |
| 10:33.32 | tremon | _FBi: good, then paste your ip -6 addr and ip -6 ro, and we can build a minimal interfaces stanza from that. Then you can start adding stuff back from the old and see when it breaks |
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| 10:34.10 | _FBi | I don't need the old if it breaks haha, one sec |
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| 10:34.42 | S4nD3r | :D |
| 10:34.45 | S4nD3r | Ok SynrG |
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| 10:35.40 | _FBi | tremon, http://codepad.org/NQW6FHRr |
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| 10:39.09 | tremon | _FBi: try http://paste.debian.net/96943/ instead. If that works, you can add back all the "up" lines |
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| 10:41.22 | tremon | btw, maybe interfaces is smart. Try and see what happens if you add multiple "address" lines instead of adding those addresses in separate "up" lines |
| 10:42.20 | _FBi | that would be nice |
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| 10:43.00 | _FBi | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/563f1852/ |
| 10:43.18 | tremon | ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0 |
| 10:43.37 | tremon | crosses fingers |
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| 10:43.49 | _FBi | same same |
| 10:43.54 | tremon | bah. |
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| 10:44.53 | aguitel_ | what about squeeze security support after may 2014 ? |
| 10:46.01 | tremon | there must be a proper way to deconfigure an interface other than ip addr flush && ip set link down |
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| 10:46.50 | grache28 | hiya! |
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| 10:47.14 | _FBi | hold your horses |
| 10:47.16 | tremon | aguitel_: https://www.debian.org/News/2014/20140424 |
| 10:47.27 | grache28 | I've installed debian base, and I'm able to use apt-cache to search for things, but when I try to ping the local network or outside it rejects it |
| 10:47.49 | grache28 | I have my /etc/network/interfaces setup like on https://wiki.debian.org/DHCP_Client |
| 10:47.56 | grache28 | and yes dhcp is installed |
| 10:48.53 | aguitel_ | tremon, thanks |
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| 10:51.13 | tremon | grache28: do you also have a dhcp server on your network and a working (connected and driver installed) network connection? |
| 10:51.47 | grache28 | yea |
| 10:52.05 | grache28 | i think the issue might be with the NIC |
| 10:52.11 | grache28 | i changed motherboards |
| 10:52.22 | grache28 | im fairly certain it worked with the old motherboard |
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| 10:54.04 | tremon | grache28: you can run dhclient manually, just "dhclient eth0" as root. See what it says. Also, lspci -nn | grep Ethernet will list your hardware ethernet devices |
| 10:55.44 | grache28 | tremon: ! tks but too late |
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| 10:56.12 | grache28 | I'm gonna do a LFS on this box, so just gonna write over it anyways, installing ubuntu |
| 10:57.08 | voxadam | Does anyone know if video from Linuxfest Northwest 2014 is available anywhere? 2013 is on archive.org. Bryan Lunduke's "Linux Sucks 2014" is on YouTube. But I'm having a hard time finding much else from 2014. |
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| 11:11.10 | aguitel_ | where to find sources.list from squeeze ? |
| 11:11.40 | tremon | !tell aguitel_ -about squeeze sources.list |
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| 11:14.41 | aguitel_ | tremon, thanks |
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| 11:18.20 | dimaursu16 | guys, it is possible to chroot into a ARM system from a x64 one? |
| 11:18.48 | petern_ | No, but you might be able to do something with qemu. |
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| 11:19.04 | dimaursu16 | I have debian installed on a i.MX53 (freescale), and archlinux 64 bits on my laptop, and I want to get openssh server on the small thing |
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| 11:20.00 | dimaursu16 | petern_: would qemu do that? I know that there's a difference in the instruction set, but can I install packages? |
| 11:20.38 | dimaursu16 | I was thinking about unpacking debs manually... |
| 11:20.48 | frostschutz | dimaursu16, i had something like that in an ereader, luckily it came with busybox telnetd, ... |
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| 11:21.30 | dimaursu16 | frostschutz: I'm not sure it the armhf image comes with telnet installed |
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| 11:23.07 | dimaursu16 | oh, but it has sshd installed |
| 11:23.10 | dimaursu16 | I'm stupid |
| 11:23.22 | dimaursu16 | thanks guys, it has all the stuff I need :) |
| 11:23.49 | dimaursu16 | just a quick run of "find" and the mystery was revealed :) |
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| 11:24.21 | dimaursu16 | hmm..now I just have to make some symlinks, as I want to use systemd on this one... |
| 11:24.42 | petern_ | Good luck. |
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| 11:58.49 | RobertoB_ | someone knows where default home directories icons are set? |
| 11:58.58 | RobertoB_ | *in LXDE |
| 11:59.08 | RobertoB_ | I'm on Wheezy+lxde-core |
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| 11:59.49 | RobertoB_ | but I can't find where default "Documents" "Download" "Pictures" etc icons are set |
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| 12:06.23 | frafra_emergency | hi; I've an answer related to an SSD that doesn't boot anymore... I get some COMRESET errors when booting from another medium ( http://paste.debian.net/96951/ ); is it possible to access to my data? I was thinking if the Linux kernel could send some raw commands over ata1 channel in order to see if my ssd is still working or if it's dead |
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| 12:07.40 | wols_ | linux is trying to send commands. and this is the answer it gets. it needs to start the protocol first, and your SSD has none of it |
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| 12:08.39 | frafra_emergency | wols_: thanks; so basically linux sees that there's something connected but there's no reply? only power line is working? |
| 12:09.05 | abrotman | the OS doesn't know about power |
| 12:09.53 | frafra_emergency | could I try something? |
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| 12:11.08 | jmd | ok so I have my target firmware in /tmp |
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| 12:12.31 | jmd | And I would appear to have 6796KiB of memory left. Is this "enough"? |
| 12:13.40 | nevyn | enough for what? |
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| 12:14.19 | jmd | No idea. The wiki says I must make sure I have enough. It doesn't say enough for what. |
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| 12:14.41 | jmd | Oh sorry. Wrong Channel/ |
| 12:14.45 | jmd | my bad. |
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| 12:42.32 | biglama | hi guys, apparently the latest update/upgrade overwrote my /etc/network/interfacs |
| 12:42.41 | biglama | how is that possible and can it be avoided ? |
| 12:43.46 | jelly | biglama: which debian release, and do you have logs of the upgrade? |
| 12:43.47 | d3sync | u can always keep a backup of ur configuration files at least the essential ones |
| 12:44.08 | d3sync | usually you are prompted when new confs are about to be deployed |
| 12:44.09 | jelly | d3sync: this should never happen. |
| 12:44.23 | d3sync | and asked if you want to overwrite em or not |
| 12:45.24 | jelly | d3sync: interfaces is not a conffile nor managed by ucf, so there's no prompt like that |
| 12:45.54 | d3sync | in that case it could be a 3rd party software |
| 12:45.55 | biglama | jelly: I'm on wheezy, with kernel 3.2.57-3 |
| 12:46.19 | biglama | jelly: i did an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade by hand, is the output stored somewhere ? |
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| 12:46.45 | jelly | biglama: it's not stored anywhere by default. I run mine inside screen, then inside script |
| 12:47.20 | jelly | biglama: you do however have /var/log/dpkg.log and /var/log/apt/* |
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| 12:50.00 | biglama | jelly: right, it is not the update actually |
| 12:50.08 | d3sync | xD |
| 12:50.16 | biglama | jelly: I installed some packages, so it must have been that |
| 12:50.30 | biglama | do you want /var/log/apt/history.log ? |
| 12:50.42 | babilen | That would probably come in handy, yes |
| 12:51.08 | jelly | biglama: did you have any third party packages or repositories enabled? |
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| 12:51.43 | biglama | jelly: is zfs third party ? |
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| 12:52.18 | jelly | biglama: if it does not come from debian.org, yes |
| 12:52.25 | babilen | biglama: Please paste your sources.list and /var/log/apt/history.log to http://paste.debian.net -- that would come in handy |
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| 12:53.55 | S4nD3r | SynrG, are you there? |
| 12:54.15 | S4nD3r | can you help me to solve a problem? |
| 12:54.20 | S4nD3r | http://paste.debian.net/96971/ |
| 12:54.48 | biglama | babilen: history.log : http://paste.debian.net/96973/ |
| 12:55.55 | biglama | jelly: sources.list http://paste.debian.net/96974/ |
| 12:56.20 | babilen | S4nD3r: You've just made sure that nobody else will take a look -- please don't single out helpers |
| 12:57.43 | S4nD3r | :) |
| 12:57.44 | S4nD3r | sorry |
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| 13:04.54 | babilen | biglama: I don't see any upgrades in your history |
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| 13:05.37 | jelly | logs got rotated? |
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| 13:05.55 | jelly | biglama: what's the timestamp on current /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 13:07.31 | biglama | babilen: the upgrade was the day before yesterday, and i installed some packages yesterday (in the log i sent you) |
| 13:07.50 | biglama | as i could connect fine yesterday but not today, i guess it's the install from yesterday |
| 13:08.00 | babilen | biglama: Could you paste the relevant log entries for the time period when /e/n/i got changed? |
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| 13:08.08 | biglama | jelly: i edited this morning, before going to work :/ |
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| 13:09.00 | biglama | babilen: for me, it's the log i sent you, from yesterday |
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| 13:10.06 | edrahn | Hello. I have haswell CPU, and onboard graphics. However my X windows is still using software for graphics |
| 13:10.21 | edrahn | How can I get it to use the onboard graphics? |
| 13:10.36 | xand | disconnect the other video card |
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| 13:11.47 | jelly | biglama: could have been something from before yesterday and the log is rotated monthly |
| 13:12.19 | jelly | /var/log/apt/history.log.1.gz might be interesting as well |
| 13:12.27 | biglama | jelly: i boot the machine each morning, so it would have appeared yesterday i think |
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| 13:14.56 | edrahn | xand: there's only one video card. |
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| 13:15.58 | biglama | jelly: history.log.1 is here http://paste.debian.net/96984/ |
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| 13:16.31 | biglama | i cannot paste dpkg.log.1, it's too big for paste.debian.net |
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| 13:17.48 | jelly | biglama: what did you do "apt-get -f install" for on 2014-04-30? CONFESS!! |
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| 13:18.18 | jelly | threatens biglama with a cozy pillow |
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| 13:20.21 | biglama | it was for solving a dependancy issue ! |
| 13:20.34 | biglama | i just don't remember which one :( |
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| 13:21.10 | biglama | feels like he's being interrogated |
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| 13:26.12 | babilen | tightens the thumbscrews |
| 13:27.08 | biglama | asks to his lawyer |
| 13:27.12 | babilen | biglama: Your /var/log/auth.log and root's .bash_history (or history file of your shell) might help you to to determine what you've installed. The output of "aptitude search ~o" might also reveal which package you installed there. |
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| 13:27.35 | babilen | Don't paste those as you might reveal personal information you don't necessarily want to reveal |
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| 13:27.55 | biglama | babilen: unfortunately, i use zsh and history file was not set up |
| 13:28.55 | biglama | auth.log only tells me i've login as root |
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| 13:30.26 | babilen | biglama: yay :( |
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| 13:30.42 | babilen | biglama: What about "aptitude search ~o" ? |
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| 13:31.17 | biglama | babilen: armory, hubic, libmozjs10d, skype:i386 |
| 13:31.37 | biglama | i've installed all of them before the 30th, with the possible exception of libmozjs10d |
| 13:31.43 | babilen | biglama: Or you could grep for "interfaces" and/or "network" in /var/lib/dpkg/info/* |
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| 13:32.55 | S4nD3r | Hi. Just a question... is it ok, install bumblebee from backports? |
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| 13:33.34 | markit | hi, I want to install apache (for instance) but not have it to start at every reboot. I've used update-rc apache2 remove and is fine, but when the package is update, the rc stuff is there again. Any tip for a definitive solution? |
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| 13:34.47 | biglama | babilen: grepping for "interfaces" yield var/lib/dpkg/info/ifupdown.postinst as an interesting result |
| 13:35.09 | nkuttler | markit: hrm... that shouldn't happen. what kind of package update? stable/security? |
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| 13:38.48 | biglama | babilen: thanks for the help anyway, it does not really matter now |
| 13:39.00 | biglama | i was just confused this morning, not having internet |
| 13:39.10 | babilen | biglama: Well, you should *never* run into this problem |
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| 13:40.19 | tremon | biglama: did you have an unclean shutdown / had to run fsck? Not that interfaces would be the first file to get corrupted, but hey... |
| 13:40.22 | markit | nkuttler: to be sincere, I did not tried with apache, it happend with postresql that I need only sometime so I removed from autostart, but I noticed it starts again now but too much time and updates have passed |
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| 13:40.37 | markit | nkuttler: so I thought was a rule of the updater |
| 13:40.42 | biglama | babilen: that's why i asked here |
| 13:40.46 | biglama | tremon: not at all |
| 13:41.14 | biglama | babilen: i almost forgot... my grub config file was also rewritten |
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| 13:41.27 | biglama | i had to do an update-grub again |
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| 13:43.07 | hatchetjack | hey |
| 13:43.22 | hatchetjack | my net interfaces are not ethX anymore |
| 13:43.28 | hatchetjack | I sad |
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| 13:56.50 | Twinkletoes | hatchetjack: Alias them |
| 13:57.14 | makubi^ | hi there, I am building packages again and did set a pre-depends in package B on package A, because in B's debian/config I need to source some scripts from package A. When installing package B, apt-says "Preconfiguring packages ...", "/tmp/B.config.12345: line 123: /usr/share/A/script: No such file or directory". Am I missing something? |
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| 13:57.23 | hatchetjack | Twinkletoes: alias them? |
| 13:57.48 | themill | makubi^: dependencies aren't unpacked when configure is run |
| 13:57.53 | Twinkletoes | hatchetjack: http://www.yourownlinux.com/2013/09/how-to-create-alias-for-network.html |
| 13:57.55 | makubi^ | themill: pre-dependency |
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| 13:58.44 | makubi^ | themill: sorry, this is why it's a pre-dependency |
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| 13:59.53 | hatchetjack | Twinkletoes: how will that make my nick eth0 instead of em1? |
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| 14:00.39 | themill | makubi^: I don't believe Pre-Depends gives you any such guarantee. It's pretty unusual to be calling anything of any consequence from the config script though. Are you sure you can't avoid doing so? |
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| 14:01.30 | somiaj | the matainers guide seems to say Pre-Depends shoudl expected to be unpacked, but not configured, so if the package needs to be configured to have the script available.... |
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| 14:01.32 | Twinkletoes | hatchetjack: Maybe I've misudnerstood this for years (althugh never needed it) - I thought you could rename network interfaces to anything you liked - or at least give them an arbitrary alias |
| 14:01.58 | makubi^ | themill: well, sure I could, but I do specify some methods there that I do use in many other packages |
| 14:02.32 | themill | somiaj: that's when the postinst is called, not when the config debconf script is run |
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| 14:04.48 | themill | makubi^: from debconf-devel(7): Note that the config script is run before the package is unpacked. It should only use commands that are in essential packages. The only dependency of your package that is guaranteed to be met when its config script is run is a dependency (possibly versioned) on debconf itself. |
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| 14:12.14 | makubi^ | themill: well, thank you :\ |
| 14:12.19 | makubi^ | themill: this is not great news |
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| 14:13.02 | makubi^ | themill: I got some methods (or how the term is in bash) that I define there. It would be too much work to maintain them all in every package / script |
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| 14:13.10 | themill | makubi^: as I said though, the config script should be really really uncomplicated. (So should the other maintainer scripts... the best maintainer scripts are no maintainer scripts) |
| 14:13.26 | makubi^ | themill: but I think this is what #DEBHELPER# is for. right? |
| 14:13.36 | themill | ? |
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| 14:14.10 | makubi^ | themill: well, I have to enter #DEBHELPER# at the end of each maintainer script |
| 14:14.20 | themill | not in the config script |
| 14:14.21 | makubi^ | themill: thought this may be some kind of "marker" to insert code there |
| 14:14.25 | makubi^ | themill: yeah right |
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| 14:15.00 | addaitech | any idea what would cause youtube videos to suddenly stop loading? |
| 14:15.02 | themill | yes, it's a marker for additional stuff debhelper can insert for you during the package build. It's even better if you don't have any maintainer script at all though |
| 14:15.10 | addaitech | worked fine until like 3 days ago |
| 14:15.10 | makubi^ | themill: well, it's stuff like reading input via debconf and writing it to a config file |
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| 14:16.04 | makubi^ | themill: so this script is kind of short |
| 14:16.32 | themill | makubi^: you wouldn't normally be writing to the configuration file in the config script -- that's normally done in the postinst. |
| 14:16.58 | makubi^ | themill: yeah right, in postinst, I can access these scripts |
| 14:17.04 | makubi^ | themill: and I do so, no worries :) |
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| 14:17.15 | makubi^ | themill: config = reading, postinst = writing in my case |
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| 14:17.28 | themill | yes, that's normal |
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| 14:18.14 | makubi^ | themill: yeah, so I could write a script that inserts these methods in my config script during build... but this does not seem to be nice |
| 14:19.13 | makubi^ | themill: or wget that file to a location to source it later, but this seems even more hacky |
| 14:19.17 | themill | what are you doing that reading in a couple of variables is complicated? |
| 14:19.45 | makubi^ | themill: it's not, but I try to generalize things |
| 14:19.57 | makubi^ | themill: and let code being as short as possible |
| 14:20.04 | themill | reading in the variable is normally one line of sed. |
| 14:20.14 | makubi^ | themill: you mean db_get |
| 14:20.22 | makubi^ | themill: sorry, I am doing two things |
| 14:20.27 | themill | no, loading the existing value |
| 14:20.44 | makubi^ | reading (old) values of config files (= loading existing values) and then asking the user for input (for newly ones) |
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| 14:22.10 | makubi^ | themill: currently these are two lines: set_all_debconf_from_conf_file $CONF_FILE $DEBCONF_KEYS and read_input_to_debconf $DEBCONF_KEYS $PRIORITY |
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| 14:23.01 | themill | don't over-engineer these things... no-one will thank you for 37 quick debconf questions prior to installing the package |
| 14:23.34 | makubi^ | themill: I know and I don't do this, but I think of re-using these scripts for other packages |
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| 14:24.01 | themill | when it's two lines per variable, it's hardly worthwhile |
| 14:24.03 | makubi^ | themill: and not having to c&p so much or maintain all scripts when I change the behaviour of it |
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| 14:25.29 | makubi^ | themill: if I am adding a new debconf variable, I have to do that in exactly one place (the array) |
| 14:25.38 | makubi^ | this is how I like the code to be |
| 14:26.11 | makubi^ | themill: I think it would get confusing if I don't |
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| 14:28.07 | makubi^ | themill: don't you agree? |
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| 14:29.13 | themill | no. If you're trying to manage complexity in maintainer scripts, your maintainer scripts are too complex |
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| 14:30.47 | makubi^ | themill: what's complex about parsing config files and reading input from user? I don't think it is, but scalability is very important imo |
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| 14:31.27 | themill | no, scalability is not a good thing here |
| 14:31.57 | themill | and as you say, it's not complex... it doesn't need script libraries to do it. It's only one line to begin with |
| 14:33.18 | makubi^ | themill: well, but I think this is the reason for debconf/confmodule, to not write that much code to read user input. |
| 14:33.52 | themill | eh? |
| 14:33.53 | makubi^ | themill: yeah, I think this would be ok, but I really don't know how to maintain the config-scripts on multiple packages |
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| 14:34.07 | themill | there should be nothing to maintain |
| 14:34.17 | makubi^ | themill: well isn't it? I thought that are helper scripts from debconf |
| 14:34.35 | themill | I have no idea what you mean |
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| 14:35.16 | makubi^ | themill: nvm :) well, so I rly may have overengineered it |
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| 14:36.41 | makubi^ | themill: but I still think these are reusable things and this is the reason why I extracted it (= read config values / input, etc.) |
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| 14:36.43 | themill | bugs in maintainer scripts are really hard to deal with. They're difficult for the user to work around and they're difficult to fix in the next upload. Keep it simple |
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| 14:38.29 | KZKG^Gaara | Hey guys, greetings |
| 14:38.30 | makubi^ | themill: alright. It may also be a problem for me because I just started building packages and was kind of confused with all the scripts --> thought I just generalize as much as possible |
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| 14:38.45 | KZKG^Gaara | I need to install php5-json and give PHP5 support for JSON, but the package php5-json is virtual. What should I do? |
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| 14:40.20 | KZKG^Gaara | Sorry for my english, its not my primary language |
| 14:42.04 | themill | KZKG^Gaara: which release of debian is this? |
| 14:42.07 | makubi^ | themill: well, gonna have to think about it if it really won't increase the maintainance here. I really do believe you that it won't and is best practice, just have to have some thoughts about it. thank you very much, again :) |
| 14:42.38 | themill | no worries, have fun |
| 14:42.40 | KZKG^Gaara | themill: Im using Debian Wheezy, Stable |
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| 14:43.28 | themill | KZKG^Gaara: php5-json is part of php itself in wheezy |
| 14:44.02 | KZKG^Gaara | find /etc/apache2/ -iname *json* .... empty, nothing |
| 14:44.33 | KZKG^Gaara | Of course, I cant find the .load file of json in /etc/apache2/mods-available/ |
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| 14:44.57 | _boot | if it's a php module wouldn't it just be loaded somewhere in php.ini or something? |
| 14:45.47 | KZKG^Gaara | _boot: find /etc/ -iname *json* ... empty again |
| 14:46.08 | _boot | well yeah if it's something in php.ini find isn't going to find it |
| 14:46.21 | themill | or if it's compiled in |
| 14:46.26 | _boot | ^ |
| 14:47.00 | Touhou11 | Use grep instead |
| 14:47.08 | KZKG^Gaara | There is nothing declared in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini related to json |
| 14:47.32 | petn-randall | KZKG^Gaara: If mod_php is activated, it should work out of the box, as themill said. |
| 14:47.35 | _boot | have you tried just using json stuff in php anyway? |
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| 14:47.57 | petn-randall | KZKG^Gaara: If "it doesn't work", you should describe how you come to that conclusion. |
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| 14:48.49 | KZKG^Gaara | _boot: Yes, Im trying to use this: http://www.tecmint.com/monitors-linux-server-performance-remotely-using-web-browser/ |
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| 14:49.19 | KZKG^Gaara | _boot: The IP info and speed works fine, but the other info dont |
| 14:49.26 | _boot | any error messages? |
| 14:49.57 | ChrisH | KZKG^Gaara: How many servers do you want to monitor? |
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| 14:51.23 | KZKG^Gaara | ChrisH: Just one |
| 14:51.37 | KZKG^Gaara | _boot: In the HTML none, let me check the logs |
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| 14:53.40 | KZKG^Gaara | _boot: Nothing 0_oU |
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| 14:53.47 | _boot | :| |
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| 14:59.09 | cnz | I just ran aptitude update and it says 785 new [+479] but when I run aptitude upgrade/dist-upgrade it says there's nothing to be upgraded |
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| 15:01.15 | KZKG^Gaara | cnz: aptitude safe-upgrade AND ... OR ... aptitude full-upgrade |
| 15:01.27 | KZKG^Gaara | cnz: man aptitude |
| 15:01.28 | cnz | aahh ok |
| 15:01.39 | petn-randall | update != upgrade |
| 15:01.57 | themill | cnz: new packages ≠ packages that need upgrading |
| 15:02.04 | KZKG^Gaara | cnz: Este es el canal en inglés, el de español es #debian-es ;) |
| 15:02.13 | cnz | KZKG^Gaara: huh? |
| 15:02.26 | KZKG^Gaara | cnz: My mistake :) |
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| 15:02.50 | cnz | petn-randall: I know update != upgrade re-read what I said |
| 15:02.52 | KZKG^Gaara | cnz: HAHAHAHAHA |
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| 15:05.28 | roelj | Is gnupg in debian compiled with smartcard support? |
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| 15:07.38 | hunternet93 | How could I install a reasonably-modern Debian on a very old laptop with no CD or USB but only floppy? |
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| 15:12.46 | frostschutz | hunternet93, how much ram does it have? |
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| 15:13.56 | hunternet93 | frostschutz: it'll have 32mb when i get the new DIMM |
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| 15:14.13 | hunternet93 | maybe i could boot from DSL and debootstrap? |
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| 15:16.26 | frostschutz | hunternet93, you could donate it to a museum and get a used netbook instead ;) debootstrap will probably run out of memory; it failed on a 64MB VPS I used a few years back (while generating locale) |
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| 15:17.03 | nonconvergent | Huh, trying to mount a NFS, and it's just hanging. |
| 15:17.06 | frostschutz | hunternet93, if it can't boot network, your remaining option is to take out the disk, hook it up to another machine... |
| 15:17.20 | nonconvergent | 'sudo mount 192.168.33:167:/working workingTest' |
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| 15:17.30 | nonconvergent | Just hangs there after the password prompt |
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| 15:18.10 | hunternet93 | frostschutz: i have an EEE already, i was thinking about installing just for kicks |
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| 15:20.19 | nonconvergent | Is there any kind of verbosity for mount? |
| 15:20.43 | frostschutz | nonconvergent, well... kind of... there is strace |
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| 15:20.59 | frostschutz | and dmesg if it hangs in the kernel world |
| 15:21.11 | frostschutz | and tcpdump for the network |
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| 15:30.56 | timo1teo | I have a question about NTP. Why does it have a min/max polling rate? Why isn't it a static rate? When I type ntpq -p and I see a pollling rate of 1024 does that indicate the current polling rate or just the max? |
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| 15:40.24 | kisak | hello, is there an easy way to get a newer patch version of samba 3.6 (3.6.7 or newer?) on wheezy |
| 15:41.23 | kisak | I have a server box which appears to be affected by https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9058 |
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| 15:48.35 | jelly-home | ,v samba |
| 15:48.36 | judd | Package: samba on i386 -- squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11; squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11; squeeze-backports: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u2~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u2; wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u3; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.6+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:4.1.7+dfsg-2; sid: 2:4.1.7+dfsg-2 |
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| 15:50.19 | jelly-home | kisak: unless you're willing to try samba4 from wheezy-backports, it probably makes sense to create a bug report and ask for a fix for next wheezy point release |
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| 15:52.49 | jelly-home | !reportbug |
| 15:52.49 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 15:53.02 | kisak | jelly-home: I wanted to stay on the 3.6 branch |
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| 16:05.10 | kisak | I'm not particularly experienced with apt, is there a per-package change log or list of patches so I can check and try to avoid posting an issue report if there's a fix alreay applied related to this case? |
| 16:05.37 | kisak | I suppose I'm supposed to grab the .deb and start disecting |
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| 16:05.53 | ChrisH | timo1teo: both. 1024 is the longestest poll rate possible. It simply says NTPd knows enough about your HWclock to predict it for a long time. |
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| 16:11.45 | jelly-home | kisak: "aptitude changelog samba" or browse http://packages.debian.org/samba or http://packages.qa.debian.org/samba |
| 16:12.25 | jelly-home | kisak: if it's already installed, there will always be a changelog.Debian.gz inside /usr/share/doc/packagename/ |
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| 16:21.57 | wafthre | I am looking for an option in aptitude to remove all packages which are not installed, like autoclean, but which removes all older versions of packages in the cache |
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| 16:26.32 | ctmjr | dpkg: tell wafthre about deborphan |
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| 16:30.24 | kisak | jelly-home: and there's debian's bug report: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=704761 |
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| 16:31.21 | jelly-home | kisak: might be worth pinging it again to ask for a point release inclusion |
| 16:32.03 | kisak | that's firing an email at bugnumber@b.d.o? |
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| 16:32.25 | jelly-home | yes |
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| 16:37.27 | wafthre | ctmjr: no, I want to remove old versions of packages; not orphaned packages |
| 16:37.43 | AnimalFarmPig | I should probably upgrade my Sid install a bit more frequently. "1222 packages upgraded, 127 newly installed, 46 to remove and 155 not upgraded. Need to get 1,177 MB of archives. After unpacking 331 MB will be used." |
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| 16:40.24 | peterrooney | wafthre: and how is autoclean not satisfying that? |
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| 16:41.12 | babilen | AnimalFarmPig: *much* more frequently |
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| 16:42.13 | AnimalFarmPig | babilen, wanted to install a package earlier (mutter) and aptitude decided best way to install it would be to uninstall the rest of the system. Figured it was time to get more recent packages. |
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| 16:45.15 | wafthre | why doesn't "aptitude autoclean" remove xul-ext-noscript 2.6.8.4-1~bpo70+1 , although 2.6.8.19-1~deb7u1 is present? |
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| 16:46.30 | kisak | jelly-home: email sent, I should expect a 30 day timeout before doing any other unsolicitated action? |
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| 16:47.08 | peterrooney | wafthre: I could not say, but I would also try apt-get --recon autoclean # | grep xul-ext-noscript |
| 16:48.07 | jelly-home | kisak: something like that, yes. If you're able to cherry pick the exact patch and apply it to 3.6.6, you can try a local rebuild yourself: /msg dpkg package rebuild |
| 16:48.12 | peterrooney | wafthre: apt-get and aptitude sometimes have different behaviours in dependancy resolution, so why not removal resolution? |
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| 16:48.38 | jelly-home | kisak: confirming that works would make maintainer's part easier |
| 16:49.02 | peterrooney | s/dependancy/dependency/ # ouch |
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| 16:49.52 | wafthre | peterrooney: "apt-get --recon autoclean # | grep xul-ext-noscript" removes nothing (did aptitude autoclean before). What is the purpose of the hash sign `#'? |
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| 16:50.36 | kisak | jelly-home: yes, the patches are accessible and I would like to try to put it on the server |
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| 16:57.27 | peterrooney | wafthre: in a shell, it's a comment - everything after it is not executed. if apt-get had had a lot of output, removing the hash mark would have limited it to only showing you actions on that particular package. |
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| 16:58.30 | fishcooker | how to handle frequently segmentation fault on debian box |
| 16:59.10 | tremon | just a thought: replace the box |
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| 17:01.10 | pengwyn | there we go |
| 17:01.18 | pengwyn | mucho better |
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| 17:01.36 | pengwyn | servers are hanging or something |
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| 17:04.03 | fishcooker | ic tremon, i think it would do the best |
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| 17:04.12 | fishcooker | but why? |
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| 17:04.19 | fishcooker | the box is not good enough? |
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| 17:05.57 | fishcooker | this is my log after #apt-get -f install |
| 17:05.58 | fishcooker | http://paste.debian.net/97073/ |
| 17:06.01 | tremon | well, "frequent segfaults" can be because of software or hardware errors. If it's software, you need to isolate the failing packages, debug the issues and replace the packages |
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| 17:06.36 | tremon | if it's hardware, you need to swap out parts to identify the failing components and replace them |
| 17:06.49 | fishcooker | 90% happen when i try doing apt-get thing |
| 17:07.02 | fishcooker | how to know the failing components |
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| 17:07.39 | tremon | either way, it's a lot of work |
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| 17:08.12 | AnimalFarmPig | is apt vs aptitude a "vi vs emacs" kind of question? |
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| 17:08.51 | woshty | More like vi vs vim imho |
| 17:09.03 | babilen | AnimalFarmPig: Not at all, both are useful and you will need them both (along with additional resolvers for apt-get (cudf, packup)) |
| 17:09.24 | tremon | fishcooker: if a process segfaults, it can leave behind a core dump. You can load the core dump with gdb to see where exactly it failed |
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| 17:10.06 | babilen | AnimalFarmPig: I tend to use apt-get (or not apt) for my day to day admin tasks and aptitude if I need some of its special features (search mostly) or want to see how its solution differs from the one apt-get had come up with |
| 17:10.13 | tremon | fishcooker: but judging from your backtrace, you have errors in both libapt and libstdc++. To me that indicates memory or disk corruption |
| 17:10.21 | babilen | fishcooker: Also: Which version of Debian are you tracking? |
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| 17:10.55 | AnimalFarmPig | babilen, seems like they do dependency resolution differently. Is one generally preferably to the other in terms of not breaking things when installing, upgrading, and removing packages? |
| 17:11.14 | AnimalFarmPig | I normally use aptitude, just from habit I guess |
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| 17:22.17 | fishcooker | i think it is about the memory because this ssd intel |
| 17:22.24 | fishcooker | tremon: |
| 17:22.34 | fishcooker | its wheezy |
| 17:22.40 | fishcooker | i386 |
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| 17:24.27 | fishcooker | i mean the ssd intel hardisk .. i think its about the memory |
| 17:25.04 | tremon | fishcooker: you could install memtest86 and let it run overnight |
| 17:25.18 | kisak | yay for a clean apply of the patch on the first attempt and compiling on debian for the first time |
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| 17:33.46 | weaktea | what's the easiest way to have automated, incremental, FULL system backups that save to an external or network drive. Something like an image or series of files I can use to go from a formatted hard drive back to the full OS on the backup image very easily? |
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| 17:35.59 | frostschutz | weaktea, how do you define easy? a one click solution? something you can bash-script yourself and then forget about? DAR is quite nice for the latter... |
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| 17:36.43 | weaktea | frostschutz: I guess a bash script and a cron job is fine, so long as the program sets all that itself.. I'll check it out thank you |
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| 17:37.56 | weaktea | frostschutz: seems like it just creates an archive, say I have that archive somewhere, build a new machine. would I just extract everything from that archive to / ? or is it more involved? |
| 17:39.00 | frostschutz | it has incremental archives and a catalog/manager frontend... oh well, it's complicated after all. |
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| 17:58.58 | omgwtf | can anyone assist me with an apache issue? I can't log in :p |
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| 17:59.23 | omgwtf | I enabled auth_digest |
| 17:59.29 | omgwtf | scgi, created passwords |
| 17:59.37 | omgwtf | but it seems it doesn't want to authenticate |
| 17:59.45 | edrahn | How can I get non-fallback mode in gnome3, with my haswell intel video? |
| 17:59.51 | happytux | hi again |
| 18:00.00 | happytux | Can I also specify a target directory for apt-get source? |
| 18:00.17 | happytux | It downloads into current directory, I want it to download into another directory. |
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| 18:12.28 | oozbooz | when installing sssd in the first time, system prompts you for KRB domain and other info... is there a way to restart this process to generate /etc/sssd/sssd.conf ? |
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| 18:15.47 | frostschutz | oozbooz, dpkg-reconfigure sssd? apt-get purge, rm, apt-get install sssd? |
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| 18:19.08 | oozbooz | dpkg-reconfigure did work for me... |
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| 18:29.43 | theTroy | Could someone suggest a way to run a shell script (I basically just need to move a file) as EARLY as possible on start-up? Essentially as soon as the /boot/ partition is mounted, I need to run the move file command. |
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| 18:30.13 | ioudas | rc.local work for you? |
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| 18:30.46 | theTroy | rc.local works, but I understand there are other processes that run between rl.local and fsmount |
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| 18:31.19 | ioudas | maybe this may help |
| 18:31.34 | ioudas | http://www.debian-administration.org/article/28/Making_scripts_run_at_boot_time_with_Debian |
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| 18:41.26 | edrahn | What file does X run in the users home directory every time it starts? |
| 18:42.10 | dondelelcaro | edrahn: X doesn't run anything, but normally whatever starts X will also run .Xsession (or .Xinitrc IIRC) |
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| 18:43.01 | SynrG | see xinit man page. |
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| 18:43.30 | SynrG | and Xsession man page |
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| 18:43.54 | SynrG | it entirely depends, though. you can start X and not run either |
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| 18:56.50 | hanibana | hi, I have run a benchmark app which opened around 40,000 udp connections. Now, I cann't open any UDP connection. For example, DNS does not work (dig works with +tcp option). What's the limit for UDP connections? I'm using Wheezy. |
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| 19:01.37 | DammitJim | I"m trying to mount a windows share (I was connected to it this morning) |
| 19:01.45 | DammitJim | I did an: sudo umount -a |
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| 19:01.55 | andreipmbcn | Hello. After installing the most recent updates to Debian, I can't see Windows anymore on Grub, though I can mount the partition that contains Windows. |
| 19:02.01 | DammitJim | when I try to mount it, it doesn't return :( |
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| 19:02.10 | DammitJim | what tools can I use to figure out what the heck is going on? |
| 19:02.45 | andreipmbcn | I am wondering if the latest updates had something to do with it and whether I can fix the situation. I know next to nothing about grub and dual booting. |
| 19:03.28 | R3V0LT | i know a tad about grub and dual booting, what was the question so i can see if i can help |
| 19:03.49 | MrFrood | andreipmbcn: do you have the "os-prober" package installed? |
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| 19:04.08 | andreipmbcn | R3VOLT "Hello. After installing the most recent updates to Debian, I can't see Windows anymore on Grub, though I can mount the partition that contains Windows." |
| 19:04.14 | andreipmbcn | MrFrood, I'll check right now. |
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| 19:05.09 | andreipmbcn | MrFrood, "aptitude search" states that it's installed. |
| 19:05.15 | R3V0LT | hmm.. |
| 19:05.16 | R3V0LT | try this |
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| 19:05.46 | R3V0LT | first mount your windows partition in Ubuntu. |
| 19:05.47 | R3V0LT | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.47 | R3V0LT | then run this in terminal: |
| 19:05.47 | R3V0LT | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.47 | R3V0LT | sudo update-grub |
| 19:05.47 | R3V0LT | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.47 | R3V0LT | now restart. |
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| 19:06.35 | andreipmbcn | R3VOLT, thanks. I'll do that. |
| 19:06.39 | R3V0LT | np |
| 19:06.56 | R3V0LT | kicked me for not using the pastebin xD |
| 19:07.23 | FlowRiser | R3V0LT, yeah, you should use less lines for your messages :p |
| 19:07.41 | R3V0LT | i should lol |
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| 19:08.35 | andreipmbcn | Well, update-grub said it found them, so I'll restart and see if it works. |
| 19:08.47 | andreipmbcn | *found the windows partitions, that is. |
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| 19:09.14 | ScottE | hanibana: you may have hit the ephemeral port limit, which by default is just over 28K ports. See the ip_local_port_range sysctl. |
| 19:09.16 | MrFrood | R3V0LT: it kicked you for using the enter key as punctuation |
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| 19:10.36 | R3V0LT | it said i flooded the chat |
| 19:10.46 | R3V0LT | i pasted something in, ctrl+enter |
| 19:10.50 | R3V0LT | booom kicked |
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| 19:11.21 | hanibana | ScottE: yes thank you. Does hitting these limits logged somewhere? /var/log/messages or somewhere else? |
| 19:11.34 | MrFrood | R3V0LT: something with lost of enter keys |
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| 19:11.52 | andreipmbcn | R3VOLT, MrFrood, update-grub worked. Thanks again! |
| 19:11.53 | MrFrood | s/lost/lots/ |
| 19:13.18 | ScottE | hanibana: not logged that I know of, but you can use netstat or ss and count them up. The table is per interface, but I'm not sure if it's also per-protocol. Still, you should be able to see if anything is coming close to the limit. |
| 19:13.22 | R3V0LT | NP! |
| 19:14.14 | ScottE | hanibana: Also, you can modify that sysctl and increase the range (to 10000-65535 or even 1024-65535), but first I'd see if that's the limit you are hitting |
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| 19:19.26 | theTroy | Could someone suggest a way to disable UWF firewall without running uwf disable? I have file level access to the OS, but I can't ssh into it to run terminal commands |
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| 19:22.25 | babilen | theTroy: Create a cron job that runs that command and place it in /etc/cron* (whatever suits your needs) |
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| 19:25.46 | hanibana | ScottE: seems like it's the root of problem. I'll change that ip_local_port_range setting and test again, which takes a couple of hours. I appreciate your help, thank you :) |
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| 19:31.24 | jpbash23 | Good afternoon, anybody knows how to execute an order with "at" without create an file |
| 19:31.46 | jpbash23 | a file |
| 19:31.52 | cybrNaut | jbraeg: you don't need a file |
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| 19:32.21 | cybrNaut | jbraeg: for example ==> at now +30 min <<< xclock |
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| 19:33.35 | jpbash23 | cybrNaut: I see, thanks! |
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| 19:36.05 | klrr_ | how do i check the heat of my cpu ? |
| 19:36.09 | jpbash23 | cybrNaut: it works! thanks man! good bye! |
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| 19:39.49 | klrr_ | nvm found it |
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| 19:41.30 | cybrNaut | klrr_: was it in /proc/acpi/ibm/thermal? |
| 19:42.26 | klrr_ | cybrNaut: no, i used xsensor utility, that file dont exist on my computer |
| 19:43.19 | cybrNaut | klrr_: well you probably have a similar file in the /proc filesystem that xsensor is grabbing from |
| 19:43.33 | klrr_ | yeah probably |
| 19:43.35 | cybrNaut | a lot of utilities get their raw data from /proc |
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| 19:44.02 | klrr_ | i tried check there with find but didnt find anything, but somewhere it is (just with a name i dont know) |
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| 19:51.04 | ixio | hiya, how can I see the size of a directory ? |
| 19:51.27 | nkuttler | ixio: du |
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| 19:51.47 | ixio | ty |
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| 19:53.49 | nfisher | hi all! can anyone recommend a good cloud backup service? |
| 19:53.50 | zykotick9 | ixio: i'm a fan of using "du -sh /path" or the ncdu program |
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| 19:55.08 | ixio | nfisher: for personal / business use ? |
| 19:55.44 | nfisher | ixio, personal |
| 19:56.06 | zykotick9 | nfisher: ubuntuone... oh wait ;) |
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| 19:56.33 | ixio | not sure about personal, but you could dump stuff into a mounted amazon s3 bucket? |
| 19:56.55 | nfisher | ixio, hmm.. |
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| 19:57.37 | ixio | you can mount a s3 bucket using s3fs or something I think its called |
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| 19:58.07 | mdim | hi all! Does the Debian kernel come with qxl enabled? |
| 20:00.26 | zykotick9 | mdim: you might want to check /boot/config-foo - but i don't see a qxl? at least my grep -i doesn't ;) |
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| 20:00.52 | mingtsay | hello, do you think force HTTPS good or bad? |
| 20:01.30 | BenNZ | mdim: i get # CONFIG_DRM_QXL is not set for kernel 3.13-1-486 |
| 20:01.57 | zykotick9 | mingtsay: that's kinda offtopic here, ##networking or is it #networking? but SSL does prevent man-on-the-side attacks... |
| 20:02.35 | abrotman | prevent? |
| 20:02.37 | abrotman | no |
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| 20:03.10 | mdim | BenNZ: I have the default 3.2 kernel (Wheezy) and no mention of qxl in /boot/config-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 20:03.26 | mingtsay | zykotick9: oh, thanks |
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| 20:03.54 | mdim | zykotick9: does that mean I'd have to compile the kernel myself to have qxl enabled? Where can I find the kernel source code that Debian uses? |
| 20:04.18 | zykotick9 | mdim: sorry i have no idea what qxl is... so i have no clue. best of luck. |
| 20:05.07 | mingtsay | !tell mdim debian-kernel |
| 20:05.09 | mdim | zykotick9: it's a display driver (-related) |
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| 20:06.09 | mdim | I was just thinking if I could smoothly play 1080p video in a virtual machine based on KVM, and some folks at #kvm have pointed out it works well with qxl |
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| 20:06.53 | BenNZ | mdim: sounds like you might need to , but id suggest a later kernel , one that has qxl_drm not set , this maybe useful http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en |
| 20:06.54 | zykotick9 | mdim: i've never had accelerated video under KVM, so I hope you get it working! |
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| 20:07.48 | mdim | BenNZ: thanks! |
| 20:09.50 | mdim | I'm gonna install linux-image-amd64 from backports and see if it includes qxl |
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| 20:19.04 | edrahn | How can I get non-fallback mode in gnome3, with my haswell intel video? |
| 20:19.24 | edrahn | It works in ubuntu, but not debian :( |
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| 20:22.58 | mdim | zykotick9: neither does the latest linux-image-3.13-0.bpo.1-amd64 version include qxl |
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| 20:23.15 | EO_ | How can I request that Debian start packaging a piece of software? |
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| 20:24.33 | zykotick9 | !tell EO_ about rfp |
| 20:24.57 | zykotick9 | mdim: you may have to compile your own kernel then... best of luck. |
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| 20:25.39 | EO_ | thx |
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| 20:53.00 | Voyage | hi |
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| 20:53.07 | Voyage | how to change /etc/resolve.conf |
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| 20:58.06 | nkuttler | Voyage: edit it? how is your network set up, static ip, dhcp, etc? |
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| 20:58.16 | frostschutz | Voyage, it's resolv.conf without e |
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| 20:58.24 | nkuttler | oh, yeah |
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| 20:59.56 | Voyage | nkuttler, my ip is static |
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| 21:00.17 | Voyage | frostschutz, ya, typo |
| 21:01.10 | fr33_lasagna2 | can you use raspberry pi to make an apachge web server? |
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| 21:04.41 | teraflops | fr33_lasagna: why not? |
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| 21:27.17 | joelmo | hi, i am trying to make a init d config for this program: http://syncthing.net/ can i see what happens when i try to launch this service, i used a skeleton template but it isnt starting |
| 21:27.32 | joelmo | init-chkconf says the conf script is ok |
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| 21:39.52 | AndroUser | Bonjour |
| 21:40.01 | qwyeth | allo |
| 21:40.06 | AndroUser | Est ce qu il y a des français ? |
| 21:40.15 | qwyeth | Un peu |
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| 21:40.41 | SynrG | the language here is English, though |
| 21:40.43 | SynrG | !fr |
| 21:40.44 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 21:40.49 | AndroUser | J ai un soucis sur ma debian |
| 21:41.08 | AndroUser | J ai voulu installer un pilote ati radeon non officiel |
| 21:41.18 | _2_ElyHG | Ciao !!! |
| 21:41.24 | nkuttler | AndroUser: #debian-fr |
| 21:41.26 | SynrG | AndroUser: English only, here, please. see #debian-fr |
| 21:41.30 | AndroUser | Et impossible de retourner en mode grapgique |
| 21:41.56 | nkuttler | AndroUser: les ops vont t'enlever d'ici si tu ne parles pas anglais.. |
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| 21:43.49 | _2_ElyHG | Je ne parle pas bien l`Engais |
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| 21:44.38 | nkuttler | _2_ElyHG: french neither.. do you have a debian question we can help you with? |
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| 21:46.18 | qwyeth | wow I feel like an ass. I respond to one greeting in french, and look what happens. |
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| 21:46.37 | _2_ElyHG | Yes! |
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| 21:52.10 | ebfull | upgraded to sid, now some unicode characters (particularly korean characters) show as boxes with their 16bit hex values |
| 21:52.14 | ebfull | is there a package i need |
| 21:53.17 | SynrG | for testing/unstable support, see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net |
| 21:54.00 | SynrG | and ... probably, yes. |
| 21:55.04 | ebfull | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.27 | SynrGy | ebfull: read carefully: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net |
| 21:55.47 | SynrGy | this is freenode. |
| 21:55.53 | _2_ElyHG | go to #ELISA and right,please!!;) |
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| 21:56.40 | ebfull | oops, anyway fonts-unfonts-extra helped |
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| 21:57.27 | SynrGy | ebfull: great. and for future reference, some of us *are* over there and willing to help. wasn't just trying to get rid of you :) |
| 21:57.36 | ebfull | :D |
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| 22:02.07 | porton | I have replaced /etc directory with /etc directory from an other server. After this ssh root@XXX hangs without any messages. What I've done wrong? |
| 22:02.31 | porton | port 22: Connection timed out |
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| 22:03.12 | SynrG | all of the users and groups are replaced with ones that have been assigned in a different order now |
| 22:03.24 | SynrG | so nothing is owned by the users/groups that actually exist on the system |
| 22:03.27 | vedranm | hey guys, anyone using NVIDIA CUDA under jessie? |
| 22:03.28 | porton | SynrG: And what to do? |
| 22:03.39 | SynrG | restore the original /etc from backup |
| 22:03.55 | vedranm | I'm trying PyCUDA on 331.67 and I get pycuda._driver.Error: cuInit failed: unknown |
| 22:03.56 | zykotick9 | porton: allowing root to ssh, is probably a bad idea, gives attackers a known account... |
| 22:04.03 | vedranm | didn't happen previously |
| 22:04.09 | SynrG | or at least /etc/passwd, group, shadow, gshadow |
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| 22:06.26 | porton | What is the easy way to copy all users/groups (with their passwords) from one server to an other? |
| 22:06.34 | SynrG | certainly not that way |
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| 22:06.57 | SynrG | you need to focus on the subset of those specific files i mentioned that are for users. |
| 22:07.02 | fmost | hello |
| 22:07.03 | SynrG | that is, uid & gid 1000 and up |
| 22:07.39 | fmost | i plan to make an install of debian testing with mate, and since there are no cd for it i was thinking of going netinstall+apt-get what i need |
| 22:07.47 | SynrG | porton: maintainer scripts of debian packages automatically allocate new uids and gids as needed ... |
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| 22:08.01 | fmost | is there any difference compared to installing a regular cd? |
| 22:08.03 | SynrG | so which numbers are assigned depend on in what order packages were installed/removed/etc. |
| 22:08.07 | fmost | i mean configuration wise |
| 22:08.23 | fmost | i would really like to avoid touching xorg's config for example |
| 22:09.35 | SynrG | if the only reason you're running testing is to use mate, that's probably not a good reason :/ |
| 22:09.56 | fmost | i really miss the gnome2 look and feel |
| 22:10.08 | fmost | but i need a lot of recent libraries |
| 22:10.14 | SynrG | wait until mate support in jessie is finished, and released. |
| 22:10.18 | fmost | for my experiments |
| 22:10.19 | SynrG | it's nowhere near there yet. |
| 22:10.33 | SynrG | use an alternative desktop, like xfce4, lxde, kde |
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| 22:10.45 | fmost | i have a vm running it, and it seemed to work well, but i did not test it extensively |
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| 22:11.10 | SynrG | i can't see how. only a tiny fraction of mate is already in jessie. |
| 22:11.29 | fmost | for the mate installation part i planned to add mate's repos |
| 22:11.38 | SynrG | well, we don't support that at all. |
| 22:11.41 | fmost | i know |
| 22:11.50 | fmost | my main question is just if there is any difference |
| 22:12.01 | SynrG | difference between what and what? |
| 22:12.02 | fmost | between a netinstall + getting more packages |
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| 22:12.10 | fmost | and a full install from a gnome cd |
| 22:12.14 | fmost | except for the DE |
| 22:12.54 | fmost | for example setting up cron, xorg and many other daemons |
| 22:12.58 | SynrG | no. whether you install from CD or netinstall, if you make the same package selection (i.e. deselect the desktop and just install standard), you end up with the same end result |
| 22:13.38 | fmost | ok thanks |
| 22:13.45 | fmost | i will try it for a while and see |
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| 22:14.01 | fmost | if it does not work too well i guess i'll have to look into xfce |
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| 22:14.45 | fmost | or gnome3's fallback |
| 22:14.45 | fhdrin | lxde is nice too |
| 22:15.35 | zykotick9 | fmost: if gnome2 is your biggest priority, you could install squeeze. just sayin'. but IMO, living in the past isn't the greatest idea. |
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| 22:16.25 | SynrG | while i support the sentiment behind that, that's terrible advice |
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| 22:16.41 | fmost | i have several squeeze boxes |
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| 22:16.50 | fhdrin | lol, nothing wrong with gnome3, but you really can't blame people for sticking with gtk2 |
| 22:16.51 | fmost | but i'm having more and more problems |
| 22:17.04 | zykotick9 | SynrG: is gnome2 included in the LTS version of squeeze? i'm assuming it is... <- you know what happens when you assume something ;) |
| 22:17.06 | fmost | libconfig8 broke the camel's back |
| 22:17.19 | SynrG | zykotick9: LTS isn't "magic" |
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| 22:17.37 | SynrG | zykotick9: it doesn't make old, crappy software not-old, and not-crappy :p |
| 22:17.43 | fhdrin | mate desktop is trying to pickup where gtk2 left off |
| 22:17.55 | zykotick9 | SynrG: on that, we certainly agree. |
| 22:18.10 | fhdrin | this isn't the greatest debate, but can suck us all in |
| 22:18.32 | SynrG | yes, #d-ot |
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| 22:19.58 | SynrG | fmost: anyway, don't undervalue stability, and don't undervalue mainstream support. |
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| 22:20.22 | SynrG | fmost: "but i'm having more and more problems". well, with testing, that would certainly not decrease. |
| 22:20.32 | SynrG | fmost: and testing + unsupported software is an even worse idea. |
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| 22:21.49 | silverf0x | how i can go from stable to testing? |
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| 22:21.50 | porton | I |
| 22:22.26 | porton | I've copied /etc/passwd, group, shadow, gshadow from my backup, but I cannot SSH either. What else is wrong? |
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| 22:22.40 | stefanct | hi, i am looking for a new packager for 'flashrom'. |
| 22:22.45 | stefanct | Uwe (current maintainer) obviously does not have time to continue maintaining it (we have asked him many times in the last year to fetch the new upstream release). |
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| 22:25.09 | fmost | SynrG, i do value stability, most of my boxes i did not even bother to switch from oldstable to stable |
| 22:25.42 | fmost | but i wanted to try it out for a bunch of reason |
| 22:25.55 | fmost | rolling release would be nice (no more reinstall every two years) |
| 22:26.01 | SynrG | it's not a rolling release. |
| 22:26.06 | fmost | uhm |
| 22:26.12 | fmost | then i read wrong maybe |
| 22:26.22 | fmost | it should freeze until release of a new stable |
| 22:26.32 | fmost | and then switch to new packages again |
| 22:26.35 | SynrG | !rolling |
| 22:26.36 | dpkg | Testing is not a rolling release in the strict sense of the word. It is a test platform, currently codenamed <jessie>. It is part of the Debian development process and is gradually being built into the next <stable>. Please go to #debian-next on irc.debian.org for support. See <moving target>. |
| 22:26.38 | fmost | until the next freeze |
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| 22:27.08 | SynrG | so, if you still think you want testing, go to the right channel. but you seem to have misconceptions about what it actually is. |
| 22:27.21 | fmost | yes, the target jessie will freeze, but the target testing should switch to debian 9 right? |
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| 22:28.15 | fmost | oh sorry |
| 22:28.35 | fmost | last time i read the faq of the channel i was not looking for testing, and this time i did not reread the topic again |
| 22:28.37 | SynrG | i'm there and happy to continue the conversation there ... |
| 22:28.41 | fmost | i'll switch channel |
| 22:28.47 | fmost | thanks for the help here |
| 22:28.56 | SynrG | remember, it's on irc.oftc.net, not freenode. |
| 22:29.13 | SynrG | (aka irc.debian.org) |
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| 22:32.22 | porton | I have copied passwd, group, shadow, gshadow from my backup, but when I load my server, I can't login to SSH again. What else is done wrong? |
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| 22:34.05 | Fanthomas90 | hi! |
| 22:34.09 | porton | I remind that I've copied /etc directory from an old server and now can't SSH to the new server |
| 22:34.43 | Fanthomas90 | Is there a way to delay an ordinary init script to wait until a nfs mount is available? |
| 22:35.02 | Fanthomas90 | would something like autofs help here? |
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| 22:41.46 | wols_ | !tell Fanthomas90 about lsb tags |
| 22:41.54 | wols_ | Fanthomas90: I dunno if there is a tag for NFS however |
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| 22:43.40 | Guest96048 | I'm on a box that loads node.js on startup, but I can't see how it is done. |
| 22:43.54 | Guest96048 | I don't know debian well enough to figure it out |
| 22:44.14 | Guest96048 | it isn't use a script in /etc/init.d |
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| 22:54.45 | porton | There were some wrong network configs. I fixed the error using `diff -aut /etc.OLD/ /etc/` |
| 22:54.46 | porton | Bye |
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| 23:04.08 | Fanthomas90 | wols_: Out of curiosity I just tried to setup autofs and it does exactly what I want. It's obviously a bit overkill, but it works just fine... |
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| 23:45.54 | kingsley | Can anyone do this? http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-05-02/us-contractors-scale-up-search-for-heartbleed-like-flaws.html |
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