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| 00:18.38 | akuusagi | hello, which is the default init-system on wheezy? |
| 00:18.42 | akuusagi | still sysvinit? |
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| 00:19.15 | dondelelcaro | akuusagi: yes. wheezy released with sysvinit |
| 00:19.35 | akuusagi | dondelelcaro: is it safe to install upstart? |
| 00:20.24 | dondelelcaro | akuusagi: in unstable, sure. In wheezy, you'll probably have to do more work |
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| 00:21.31 | akuusagi | I don't have any custom init-scripts atm. |
| 00:21.49 | akuusagi | where could be the risks? |
| 00:22.09 | dondelelcaro | akuusagi: in stable, installing it requires removing sysvinit, iirc, which is essential: yes |
| 00:22.53 | dondelelcaro | akuusagi: standard things; daemons may not come up properly, filesystems may not mount in the proper order, etc. |
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| 00:23.09 | dondelelcaro | akuusagi: if you have local access and a fairly pedestrian set up, it will probably just work |
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| 00:23.34 | akuusagi | so maybe my system won't boot after installing upstart or can i be sure it won't boot? |
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| 00:25.10 | akuusagi | dondelelcaro: it's quite pedestrian, I've just installed a 3.12 kernel from wheezy-backports |
| 00:26.54 | dondelelcaro | akuusagi: yeah, the real question is your filesystem layout. If you're just using normal partitions, everything will probably work. Probably even if you're just using lvm. If you're using iSCSI, or lvm+luks+lvm, or something else like that, it might not |
| 00:27.00 | dondelelcaro | akuusagi: but I honestly don't really know |
| 00:27.10 | dondelelcaro | akuusagi: I've only tested it with unstable, and there it works for my setup |
| 00:27.55 | themill | .o0( now why would you have done that, I wonder? ) |
| 00:29.04 | akuusagi | dondelelcaro: no, i don't have any exotical like that at home. LVM yes, but just for my data-partition |
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| 00:29.51 | babilen | akuusagi: To be honest: I'd give it a few days and wait for Debian to decide which init system it'll use. You can then spare yourself an upgrade from upstart to systemd (in the case systemd is chose) |
| 00:30.15 | babilen | wonders how well *that* shall and will be supported... I fear fun in #d :-/ |
| 00:31.01 | SmashingX | is there any command that I can use to move all the .daa files inside different directories to the directory I'm right now? |
| 00:31.44 | SmashingX | so in other words is there any command I can use instead of do cd subdirectory, mv *.daa ../ |
| 00:31.57 | akuusagi | babilen: if i install upstart now, I'll stay with it until Debian 8 will be released. which, i don't think, will be the next days |
| 00:32.15 | babilen | SmashingX: mv subdirectory/*.daa ../ |
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| 00:32.29 | themill | s,../,., |
| 00:32.32 | SmashingX | yes, but they all have different names |
| 00:32.40 | babilen | themill: oh, yes! |
| 00:32.46 | SmashingX | I have like 100 subdirectories |
| 00:32.59 | babilen | You never said that and only gave a single subdirectory |
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| 00:33.10 | babilen | dpkg: tell SmashingX -about using find |
| 00:33.32 | SmashingX | find? |
| 00:33.35 | SmashingX | I don't need that |
| 00:33.37 | themill | SmashingX: are they all unique names? then mv */*.daa . |
| 00:34.03 | themill | if you've got too many files to handle on the command line then you will need either a bash loop or find |
| 00:34.04 | SmashingX | they have names like DIR001, DIR002, etc. |
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| 00:35.03 | babilen | SmashingX: And they are all relative to your current directory? How deep do you want to search? Are the filenames unique or, if not, would you mind overwriting identically named ones? |
| 00:35.40 | SmashingX | they are all located in the next level |
| 00:36.04 | akuusagi | apt-get install systemd don't ask me to remove sysvinit |
| 00:36.04 | SmashingX | they are inside directories like I said Dir01, Dir02 |
| 00:36.27 | babilen | SmashingX: So, never Dir1/Dir10 ? Are the filenames unique? |
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| 00:36.48 | SmashingX | wow |
| 00:36.59 | SmashingX | mv */*.daa . did it! |
| 00:37.03 | SmashingX | thanks themill |
| 00:37.09 | SmashingX | themill++ |
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| 00:39.01 | SmashingX | now I wonder if there's any other command to convert all of them using daa2iso |
| 00:39.27 | themill | "any other command" other than what? |
| 00:39.42 | SmashingX | instead of doing daa2iso file1.daa file1.iso wait until it finishes and then execute it again for file 2 etc. |
| 00:39.59 | themill | for i in *.daa; do daa…; done |
| 00:40.05 | SmashingX | dang |
| 00:40.12 | SmashingX | awesome themill, you are the man |
| 00:40.28 | themill | if your CPU and I/O can cope, you could get something like xargs to do multiple at once for you too |
| 00:40.33 | themill | dpkg: tell SmashingX about general cli tutorial |
| 00:40.39 | SmashingX | I don't write done right? |
| 00:41.37 | SmashingX | oh but how can I execute the command? |
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| 00:42.02 | SmashingX | daa2iso file[i].daa file[i].iso? |
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| 00:42.09 | SmashingX | inside the do? |
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| 00:43.50 | SmashingX | I have files like file1A.daa file2B.daa file3C.daa |
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| 00:51.13 | danlamanna | what manipulation of apt-get am i trying to figure out? i want to download the package into a cache of some sort so when i finally do apt-get install it doesn't need to go out to the internet for that package |
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| 00:51.26 | SmashingX | how can I get in the loop a,b,c,d,e,f instead of numbers 1 to 10 themill? |
| 00:51.54 | Beluki | danlamanna: apt-get already does that when installing. |
| 00:52.34 | danlamanna | Beluki: i'm trying to present and it involves using apt-get to install. I don't want to wait for the time it takes to download is what i mean. so if i can download everything before i present, and then do all of the installing live |
| 00:53.42 | Beluki | danlamanna: you can use the --download-only (or something like that, see the manual) and the package will be in cache when trying to install it live. |
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| 00:54.55 | Beluki | Time to go bed, good luck. :) |
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| 00:55.07 | danlamanna | perfect! thanks! |
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| 01:00.40 | rubidious | Hi. How might I find out what flags my kernel was built with? |
| 01:01.40 | SmashingX | How can I combine letters and numbers in the for bash lop? |
| 01:01.43 | SmashingX | loop |
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| 01:02.02 | SmashingX | for i in {A..F} x in `seq 1 10`; do echo $i $x ; done |
| 01:02.11 | SmashingX | this prints A..F and then 1 to 10 |
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| 01:03.45 | petn-randall | with which bot can I check again if the dependencies for a backport are fulfilled? |
| 01:04.32 | nkuttler | ,checkbackport muttmutt |
| 01:04.33 | judd | No package named 'muttmutt' was found in sid/i386. |
| 01:04.43 | nkuttler | bah, but you get the idea |
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| 01:07.58 | galex-713 | Can someone confirm me FTPS and FTPES (explicit, with starttls) works on my server ftp.galex-713.eu? (sha1 fingerprint: 626f2f2252d5421cdfaa9ba5d27d12c00fd6bc91) |
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| 01:08.56 | Tramp | SmashingX: for i in {A..F}{1..10}; do echo "$i"; done; - if you want them in different variables, then nest loops |
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| 01:10.03 | galex-713 | SmashingX: don’t use ``, this notation is deprecated, use $() instead |
| 01:10.43 | SmashingX | x=1; for i in {A..F} ; do echo $i ((x=x+1)) ; done |
| 01:11.03 | SmashingX | I did that but still doesn't work :( |
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| 01:13.29 | Tramp | SmashingX: x=1; for i in {A..F} ; do echo "$i" "$((x++))" ; done |
| 01:13.43 | petn-randall | ,checkbackport transmission-daemon |
| 01:13.45 | jtreminio | Hi all. How do I change a user's password in one line, without a verify? $ password foo {pass} |
| 01:14.00 | petn-randall | pokes judd. |
| 01:14.03 | jtreminio | I want to pass the password in the same command, and not have to verify it |
| 01:14.16 | Tramp | SmashingX: do you have a real question or are you just spewing out random broken syntax? |
| 01:14.21 | judd | Backporting package transmission-daemon in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: qt5-qmake, qtbase5-dev, qttools5-dev-tools, qt5-default. |
| 01:14.35 | koollman | jtreminio: echo user:pass | chpasswd |
| 01:14.49 | petn-randall | jtreminio: You can't and should not do that as a parameter. |
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| 01:15.16 | petn-randall | jtreminio: Anyone using 'ps' will be able to snoop your password that way. That's the reason you can't do it as a parameter. |
| 01:15.35 | jtreminio | hmmm I'm trying to automate this, petn-randall, for a puppet build |
| 01:15.49 | jtreminio | unfortunately puppet's password feature for user creation doesn't seem to work |
| 01:16.03 | petn-randall | jtreminio: Pass it as an environment variable? |
| 01:16.18 | petn-randall | jtreminio: no LDAP? :) |
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| 01:21.26 | indes | echo user:`cat /dev/rand` | chpasswd |
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| 01:22.38 | petn-randall | indes: You'd want to dd from it since it doesn't EOF. And it's /dev/urandom or /dev/random. |
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| 01:22.57 | indes | maybe I want a never ending password, hmmmm?? :) |
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| 01:23.14 | indes | but yes, dd would be interesting.. |
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| 01:54.05 | superstraw | regarding logrotate, i have folders that are named for dates: 2014/01/30/log.log : is there a way for a logrotate entry to successfully use something like: /$(date +$Y)/$(date +%m)/$(date +%d/log.log ? because this one logrotate config file uses /*/*/*/log.log which gzips *everything* every day. Or am I better off writing a bash script for my log rotations? |
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| 01:54.59 | superstraw | the logs are constantly written to also, restarting the process isn't possible either. I know that will be a different hurdle if I can't use logrotate. |
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| 01:56.17 | superstraw | I've tried logrotate -f /etc/logrotate.d/rot8_config with the $(date +%x) but it doesn't seem to work. |
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| 01:59.36 | _FBi | hey, hey, unpdate znc stable |
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| 02:02.05 | gnu-man | So I just saw that some use export command to set an environment variable, I am used to simply set it without export, e.g.: MY_VAR="test" instead of using `export MY_VAR="test"` |
| 02:02.13 | gnu-man | So is there a difference actually? |
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| 02:04.22 | superstraw | gnu-man: from what I understand, when you use export, the variable stays after the program finishes, whereas var="test" exists only while the program runs. |
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| 02:04.57 | superstraw | hmm. let me test that real quick. |
| 02:05.47 | gnu-man | superstraw: I can also assign it without export stand alone and it will stick until I leave the session. |
| 02:06.08 | gnu-man | superstraw: so does export really do more? |
| 02:07.04 | superstraw | not sure, I noticed the same thing you did once examining a script a programmer wrote, and I asked him why he used export. I think I described what he said, but it's been a while. |
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| 02:08.01 | Foxhoundz | Debian keeps failing to install |
| 02:08.04 | superstraw | http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/08/bash-shell-builtin-commands/ |
| 02:08.06 | Foxhoundz | It's driving me nuts |
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| 02:08.34 | superstraw | that's what he meant gnu-man |
| 02:08.36 | Foxhoundz | i'm using the live cd with the GUI installer |
| 02:09.11 | superstraw | Foxhoundz: I've only had success with my machine using the netinst cd. not even the full cd #1 works on my machine for some reason. |
| 02:09.27 | superstraw | old emachine from 2004 |
| 02:09.33 | Foxhoundz | hmm |
| 02:09.34 | Foxhoundz | Same here |
| 02:09.51 | Foxhoundz | mine is a 2006-2007 era thin client |
| 02:10.01 | Foxhoundz | It gets tp |
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| 02:10.07 | gnu-man | ah |
| 02:10.08 | Foxhoundz | It gets to copying data to disk stage |
| 02:10.17 | Foxhoundz | and quits halfway through |
| 02:10.30 | Foxhoundz | ...and it just did it again =( |
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| 02:10.51 | gnu-man | But when I now assign a variable inside a shell script without export, it would be available to that script plus all sourced scripts, during runtime, right? So export is used for globally declaring variables, right? |
| 02:10.59 | superstraw | Foxhoundz: I've tried the dvd, cd, and the net-inst cd is the only thing that worked for me. the live cd's work but don't install. |
| 02:12.15 | superstraw | gnu-man: sourced scripts = other scripts which it calls? Not sure on that one. You may have better luck with such questions in #bash. It's where I learned a lot of this stuff from. |
| 02:12.34 | superstraw | they're good. |
| 02:12.43 | gnu-man | ok |
| 02:13.35 | Foxhoundz | I'll give the net installer a whirl I guess |
| 02:14.27 | superstraw | Foxhoundz: try it without the graphical installer also. I always had luck with the console installer. |
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| 02:19.57 | occupant | anyone using zfs packages? I had a quick question. |
| 02:20.37 | superstraw | just ask, i've used it on machines at work but not at home. Others may answer it |
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| 02:22.02 | occupant | well... I'm not actually using debian and I found something that seems to suggest that a package enables iscsi share support, which isn't a feature in the standard ZFS-on-Linux. |
| 02:22.24 | occupant | And I just wanted to confirm that that the option really exists. |
| 02:23.34 | occupant | "zfs set" - is there a option for shareiscsi? |
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| 02:23.56 | occupant | well, possibly only if you have libuutil1 installed. but it's in stable. |
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| 02:26.45 | sympto__ | how do i correcty set the preferences file for apt-get to get stable updates by default and unstable updates for packages which are not in the stable tree? |
| 02:27.08 | themill | sympto__: you don't. You make backported packages if you need them. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 02:29.01 | dvs | !themill++ |
| 02:29.13 | Foxhoundz | Debian uses apt-get right? |
| 02:29.18 | Foxhoundz | or is it aptitude |
| 02:29.23 | Foxhoundz | or are they same same pkg managers? |
| 02:29.44 | dvs | Foxhoundz: Debian uses both but they are different |
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| 02:32.38 | sympto__ | where can i find sources.list for stable? |
| 02:33.12 | gyhfdgbcc | Is installing dynebolic the same as instaing debian, except i need to find free software drivers for my hardware? |
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| 02:33.23 | dvs | !tell sympto__ about wheezy sources.list |
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| 02:34.29 | sympto__ | sorry i was reading some older tutorial and didnt get that wheezy is now stable :/ |
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| 02:39.36 | sympto__ | your bot is nice but im unable to find a backport for tcplay and im sure it would run with older libs |
| 02:40.06 | sympto__ | so how do i install and update an specific package from unstable? |
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| 02:41.01 | dvs | !tell sympto__ about ssb |
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| 02:41.44 | sympto__ | dvs:well then i need to compile the package for myself manually on every version |
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| 02:42.58 | themill | sympto__: that package will not work on wheezy without recompiling it |
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| 02:43.49 | sympto__ | if theres no build-in functionality to automate this process ill write a script |
| 02:44.00 | themill | did you read what dpkg said? |
| 02:44.25 | themill | It's one command... no script required. |
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| 02:45.52 | Kirito | Out of raw curiosity, is there a tool for running "fake" SSH servers. Not honeypots, but for example, changing SSH to run on an alternate port and having a fake daemon listen on port 22 |
| 02:46.08 | Kirito | (With the fake daemon simply rejecting all connection attempts) |
| 02:46.40 | superstraw | Kirito: why not have it listen and only accept a key which no-one has? |
| 02:46.43 | naaah | iptables rule that pre-routes to /dev/null? |
| 02:47.07 | sympto__ | Kirito: how about port-knocking? |
| 02:47.11 | Kirito | naaah, The idea is that it pretends to be a real OpenSSH server, so it draws attention |
| 02:47.20 | Kirito | It just seemed like a kind of crafty idea |
| 02:47.45 | superstraw | Kirito: if you telnet to the ssh port, it'll tell you it's openssh... not sure how to fake it though. |
| 02:47.46 | naaah | it could nat to a linux container with access to nothing ;) |
| 02:47.57 | Kirito | superstraw, I do, I'm not actually considering it, just thinking :P |
| 02:47.59 | naaah | be cool to see if anyone got in there |
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| 02:49.08 | superstraw | hmm |
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| 02:49.25 | Kirito | Wouldn't want to run a real honeypot on a production server, but it could still log authentication attempts used like a honeypot does |
| 02:50.49 | koollman | Kirito: https://code.google.com/p/kippo/ |
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| 02:51.52 | superstraw | nice |
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| 02:53.02 | Kirito | Oh, there actually are such things as "production honeypots" too, that's interesting. |
| 02:53.29 | Kirito | There are production and research honeypots. I should look further into this stuff |
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| 02:55.24 | cypherman | hi guys |
| 02:55.34 | cypherman | i need help to set up a dual monitor PC |
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| 02:56.08 | cypherman | i have a Lenovo thinkcentre with Intel onboard 2nd generation graphics and a PCI NVidia GeForce 8400GS |
| 02:56.57 | cypherman | in Lenovo BIOS i can enable milti-monitor capabilities but XFCE Display control only shows one card and note the other, not even xrandr |
| 02:57.03 | cypherman | any ideas? |
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| 02:57.51 | sympto__ | crypherman: did you install bumblebee or have disabled the nvidia card in bios? |
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| 02:59.08 | cypherman | sympto__, in BIOS i only can set the preference onboard, PCI or AUTO |
| 02:59.13 | sm0gg | proprietary drivers needed |
| 02:59.50 | cypherman | but the secondary monitor is not shown even in xrandr, isn't that strange? |
| 02:59.57 | ctmjr | !tell cypherman about bumblebee |
| 03:00.04 | cypherman | it's like is not detecting one or other card |
| 03:00.22 | cypherman | is bumblebee is debian 7 repos? |
| 03:00.48 | cypherman | mmm, dont think so |
| 03:00.53 | Yukikaze | lol bumblebee |
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| 03:01.33 | hero100era | I,m running debian 7.3 on my elite book 8440p which is on a external USB hard drive, with kernel it,s ok, but will not boot with newer kernel from backports , it just won,t boot, anybody knows why? |
| 03:01.43 | cypherman | sm0gg, sympto__ is possible to have dual monitor using both onboard intel and geForce 8400 PCI card? i think it need 2 different drivers for taht ... |
| 03:02.29 | sm0gg | you'll need the proprietary drivers for the PCI card imo |
| 03:02.48 | sm0gg | not sure if you can run both |
| 03:02.51 | cypherman | sm0gg, which package is taht? |
| 03:02.55 | cypherman | that* |
| 03:03.00 | sm0gg | google baby |
| 03:03.09 | sympto__ | cypherman: sorry i dont own a 8400 but ofc you need nvidia, not nouveau and intel hd drivers in kernel or loaded as module |
| 03:04.22 | cypherman | ok thanks |
| 03:04.58 | sm0gg | 8400 |
| 03:05.41 | sm0gg | mt |
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| 03:07.47 | cypherman | sm0gg, i've been googling for 3 or 4 hs |
| 03:08.12 | sm0gg | ok here |
| 03:08.25 | sm0gg | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 03:08.29 | sm0gg | see if that helps |
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| 03:09.11 | sm0gg | i don't run proprietary drivers so I'm no expert soz |
| 03:10.31 | cypherman | sm0gg, thanks man |
| 03:10.43 | sm0gg | np |
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| 03:21.31 | GJdan | does debian support /etc/modules-load.d/ ? |
| 03:23.23 | abrotman | /etc/modules.d/ I think |
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| 03:32.30 | GJdan | hrmm, I'll try |
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| 03:45.15 | Incentive | is there a tool with a wizard of sorts or is it better just to do it via commandline? |
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| 04:19.39 | FuuqUmiist | so which linux is as lightweight and user friendly as Windows XP? |
| 04:19.57 | nullfaith | laughs. |
| 04:20.19 | FuuqUmiist | none? |
| 04:20.49 | jordanm | I think he is laughing at calling windows xp "user friendly" |
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| 04:25.41 | centrx | FuuqUmiist, Ubuntu and Mint are Debian-based distributions designed for users like yourself |
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| 04:26.10 | centrx | FuuqUmiist, Debian itself is more lightweight |
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| 04:36.33 | Okee | Has anyone been able to get Aptana Studio to install on Deb Linux stable? |
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| 04:47.19 | notori0us | Hi friends, anyone have experience netbooting? |
| 04:47.28 | notori0us | particularly sun servers |
| 04:48.27 | Rusty1 | best to describe the problem, notori0us and see if anyone can help |
| 04:48.30 | jordanm | ask your real question |
| 04:48.58 | notori0us | The problem is very vague |
| 04:49.05 | notori0us | I can't get the image to load on the openboot server |
| 04:49.14 | notori0us | Interface comes up, tftpd says the image is being sent |
| 04:49.22 | notori0us | rarpd assigns an IP |
| 04:49.26 | notori0us | and yet, nothing on the server |
| 04:49.41 | notori0us | the server isn't frozen, it still spits fan warnings to the console |
| 04:49.52 | notori0us | but nothing happens and the image is served indefinitely (+5 minutes) |
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| 04:51.07 | notori0us | So, I was just wondering if there was someone who used to work on sun machines who had some insight. |
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| 04:54.51 | SmashingX | How can I combine letters and numbers in the for bash lop? |
| 04:55.12 | SmashingX | for example do something like 1A.iso, 2B.iso 3B.iso, etc. |
| 04:55.44 | alexbobp | I just did a fresh debian install to encrypted raid, and it works, but the recovery boot option does not. the screen goes dark at about the same time it normally does for X, except no login prompt ever appears. is the recovery boot option even supposed to start X? and how can I disable that? |
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| 04:56.02 | themill | SmashingX: any reason you need to enumerate them all rather than globbing? |
| 04:56.22 | SmashingX | globbing? |
| 04:56.25 | SmashingX | what do you mean? |
| 04:56.27 | themill | * or ? |
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| 04:56.48 | SmashingX | well I have to make an action in each of them |
| 04:57.14 | themill | and? |
| 04:57.18 | SmashingX | can I do daa2iso *.daa *iso? |
| 04:57.21 | SmashingX | can I do daa2iso *.daa *.iso? |
| 04:57.35 | themill | what was wrong with the bash loop I gave you earlier? |
| 04:57.45 | SmashingX | tha tonly has numbers |
| 04:57.50 | SmashingX | but no letters a to f |
| 04:57.58 | themill | it didn't specify numbers or letters at all |
| 04:58.20 | SmashingX | x=1; for i in {A..F} ; do echo $i ((x=x+1)) ; done |
| 04:58.31 | themill | didn't write that |
| 04:58.33 | SmashingX | this gives me A to F and the nothing |
| 04:58.37 | SmashingX | no, I did |
| 04:58.50 | SmashingX | can you tell me which one you did? |
| 04:59.17 | themill | [11:39] <themill> for i in *.daa; do daa…; done |
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| 04:59.29 | SmashingX | do daa? |
| 04:59.41 | SmashingX | I want to do daa2iso |
| 04:59.51 | themill | so do that |
| 05:00.03 | SmashingX | and then the same number except that convert that to .iso |
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| 05:00.24 | SmashingX | for i in *.daa; do daa2iso daa…; done |
| 05:00.26 | jordanm | SmashingX: you are not being very clear about what your problem is |
| 05:00.28 | SmashingX | like that? |
| 05:00.42 | jordanm | daa2iso "$i" |
| 05:00.48 | themill | SmashingX: "something" you need to work out what the command is you want |
| 05:01.00 | SmashingX | ok my problem is |
| 05:01.05 | themill | SmashingX: you're the one who knows what daa2iso is and what the command is |
| 05:01.25 | SmashingX | I have 14 files like this: 1a.daa, 2b.daa, 3c.daa, etc.. |
| 05:02.05 | SmashingX | jordanm: what I want is to do daa2iso 1a.daa 1a.iso |
| 05:02.12 | themill | (man bash section on "Parameter Expansion" is likely to be useful here) |
| 05:02.13 | SmashingX | then like that for all the files |
| 05:02.26 | SmashingX | is that better jordanm? |
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| 05:03.03 | SmashingX | daa2iso converts files from daa to iso |
| 05:03.10 | jordanm | SmashingX: for x in *.daa; do daa2iso "$x" "${x%.*}.iso"; done |
| 05:03.14 | SmashingX | pretty easy to understand |
| 05:04.10 | SmashingX | nice Jordanm, is doing now the first file |
| 05:04.28 | SmashingX | I have to see when it finishes the first file to see if this would work |
| 05:04.37 | themill | makes SmashingX read man bash to understand how that works |
| 05:04.37 | SmashingX | I bet it will thanks! |
| 05:05.16 | jordanm | np, see the manpage section themill mentioned to learn more |
| 05:05.35 | SmashingX | man bash? |
| 05:06.08 | SmashingX | wow that file is freaking huge |
| 05:06.31 | jordanm | yeah, bash puts it all in one manpage unlike zsh, which breaks it out into 10 or so |
| 05:07.22 | jordanm | that's the only authority documentation, so really it's pretty small if you compare it something like the gawk user manual |
| 05:09.19 | SmashingX | i don't see where's the loop section :( |
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| 05:10.59 | themill | SmashingX: "Compound Commands" |
| 05:11.55 | jordanm | Pathname Expansion for the globbing part |
| 05:12.10 | themill | ("Parameter Expansion") |
| 05:12.34 | jordanm | parameter expansion part is the $x and $x%.* |
| 05:12.45 | themill | ack |
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| 05:17.06 | SmashingX | thanks guys I appreciate your help :) |
| 05:20.47 | SmashingX | ${x%.*} |
| 05:20.57 | SmashingX | jorndanm, interesting what you did there |
| 05:21.06 | SmashingX | regexp? |
| 05:21.15 | themill | .linetest |
| 05:21.23 | themill | !linetest |
| 05:21.23 | dpkg | You are connected t&%&ibp*l an error free line, themill. |
| 05:21.24 | themill | just line noise |
| 05:21.31 | themill | (and people complain about perl?) |
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| 05:24.38 | themill | SmashingX: no it's a glob that's used to remove the trailing substring. (See "Parameter Expansion" with the ${parameter%word} form) |
| 05:26.09 | themill | glob(7) may be interesting to you |
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| 05:28.51 | SmashingX | ok thx |
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| 05:29.30 | SmashingX | so it's saying (%)remove whatever after the dot (.*) |
| 05:29.35 | SmashingX | right? |
| 05:30.40 | themill | after the last dot in the case where you have filenames with multiple dots |
| 05:30.48 | themill | and the dot itself |
| 05:30.54 | SmashingX | yeah I see that |
| 05:31.07 | SmashingX | I did this %1* |
| 05:31.23 | SmashingX | and it remove everything after the last 1, not the first one as I expected |
| 05:31.47 | themill | I have to say that at the time when I find myself needing such parameter substitutions a few times in a script I normally take that as a sign I should rewrite in another language |
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| 05:39.33 | nmschulte | Does anyone run Debian/Linux on a Lenovo W540? |
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| 05:41.52 | well_laid_lawn | duck quacks don't echo |
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| 05:49.54 | buu | well_laid_lawn: They actually do |
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| 05:51.44 | wols | nmschulte: this is a bad question. you should know that by now |
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| 05:53.28 | nmschulte | Does anyone know if the NFC and fingerprint reader that Lenovo offers with their ThinkPad W540 have Linux support? What about Debian (DFSG in mind...) support? |
| 05:53.31 | nmschulte | wols: ^ |
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| 05:54.48 | nmschulte | Is anyone able to give a brief overview comparing the NVIDIA Quadro K2100M and the AMD Radeon HD 8970M in Linux / Debian, preferably comparing both the proprietary drivers and the recent FOSS drivers? |
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| 05:56.06 | nmschulte | I'm eyeing buying a Lenovo ThinkPad W540, in case it isn't obvious. It comes with a 15.5 inch LED backlit IPS panel with a resolution of 2880x1620. |
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| 05:57.55 | nmschulte | I hear the radeonsi Gallium3D driver in Mesa's radeon driver is rather well rounded when it comes to the feature and efficiency department; Bravo!. It looks like the nouveau driver is coming along as well. I'm thinking of swapping the NVIDIA Quadro graphics options out for an AMD Radeon HD card. |
| 05:58.27 | nmschulte | Ubuntu has the laptop certified as pre-installed, so that's a really good sign as well. |
| 05:58.28 | wols | nmschulte: you can't do that |
| 05:58.49 | nmschulte | wols: I spoke with a Lenovo representative who said I could, and that it would function, but it would most definitely void my warranty. |
| 05:58.59 | nmschulte | The form factor of the cards looks the same as well. Why do you think I can't? |
| 05:59.01 | Yukikaze | the radeon open source driver is very good in kernel 3.10+ nmschulte |
| 05:59.10 | wols | you can't even put a a diferent wlan card in which isn't lenovo approved |
| 05:59.21 | nmschulte | I find that hard to believe. |
| 05:59.26 | sm0gg | doesn't void your warranty |
| 05:59.52 | sm0gg | that bs |
| 06:00.01 | nmschulte | It is BS, and I imagine it does void the warranty. |
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| 06:00.12 | nmschulte | They didn't design the cooling system to be one size fits all I'm sure. |
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| 06:00.47 | nmschulte | They'll take whatever they can get unfortunately. Fortunately, that is nothing new. |
| 06:00.50 | wols | the only time you can change videocards is if it's a MXM. and yes, the BIOS will not allow you to put an atheros card in tehre for example: BIOS whitelist |
| 06:01.11 | nmschulte | Damn, I didn't think about that. |
| 06:01.31 | nmschulte | Hmm... well, the rep said it would work; he checked for me. |
| 06:01.39 | wols | so I suggest you check the HMM for the W540 |
| 06:01.40 | nmschulte | He gave me a rep ID to use when I checkout, but I lost it. |
| 06:01.46 | nmschulte | wols: HMM? |
| 06:01.54 | wols | Hardware Mainatenance Manual |
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| 06:03.33 | nmschulte | wols: Do you know what form factor this is? http://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/Notebooks/Sonstiges/HD_8970M/grakas1.jpg |
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| 06:05.16 | wols | MXM. I dunno which revision (which must match also) |
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| 06:07.39 | nmschulte | The last specification came out in 2012. |
| 06:07.41 | alexbobp | how do I make sure that the recovery option in grub doesn't start X? |
| 06:07.51 | alexbobp | because on a base debian install it seems to be doing so, which seems to defeat the whole purpose >_< |
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| 06:08.31 | nmschulte | I think I'm going to gamble and see what happens. Worst case, it looks like the nouveau driver is well supported too. |
| 06:08.50 | nmschulte | I can live with that as long as I get my "3K IPS LED backlit 15.5 inch display" |
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| 06:09.50 | nmschulte | This is OT, but someone might know: the laptop has a thunderbolt port. You can transport multiple video streams on thunderbolt (DP), correct? I just need a hardware splitter to split the streams again? |
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| 06:13.52 | johnfreez | hey debianers |
| 06:13.54 | johnfreez | debianites |
| 06:14.02 | johnfreez | debianation |
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| 06:14.19 | apm1 | JohnDoh, we get the point ask your question |
| 06:15.06 | johnfreez | apm1, the /tmp partition tends to fill up, say, when a video is buffering in a browser |
| 06:15.26 | johnfreez | and i feel like it perhaps might be a common issue |
| 06:15.45 | nmschulte | Applications should clean up after themselves when using /tmp |
| 06:15.58 | johnfreez | i'm wondering how to diagnose and correct such a phenomenon |
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| 06:16.07 | nmschulte | If your browser is filling /tmp and not cleaning it, then that's a problem. It's probably due to a browser plugin, like flash. |
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| 06:16.29 | nmschulte | johnfreez: Does it clear when you close your browser? |
| 06:16.39 | johnfreez | nmschulte, i believe so |
| 06:17.01 | nmschulte | Then I'm uncertain the issue. How big is the file system /tmp is on? |
| 06:17.04 | apm1 | then what is the problem ? |
| 06:17.26 | johnfreez | it's 368MB |
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| 06:17.35 | johnfreez | which was setup automatically by the debian install |
| 06:17.39 | nmschulte | What is the process that is filling it up> |
| 06:17.41 | johnfreez | i regret not customizing a bit more |
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| 06:17.58 | johnfreez | repeat, /tmp defaulted to 386 MB in size |
| 06:18.22 | nmschulte | How big is the disk you used the automated partitioner for? |
| 06:18.29 | apm1 | johnfreez, if you chose the auto partitioning option in debian-installer , the /tmp or anyother sub partition for that matter will be adjusted as needed |
| 06:18.35 | apm1 | by itself that is |
| 06:18.36 | nmschulte | I believe the default installation will recommend you use a single partition. |
| 06:18.45 | johnfreez | nmschulte, 80 GB |
| 06:18.46 | apm1 | yes thats the one |
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| 06:19.05 | nmschulte | apm1: Is that correct? |
| 06:19.10 | apm1 | yes it is |
| 06:19.22 | johnfreez | maybe it's relevant that i chose to use disk encryption |
| 06:19.27 | johnfreez | maybe |
| 06:19.41 | AngryBeers | jacks off and spooges into johnfreez's eyes |
| 06:19.46 | nmschulte | apm1: The automated partition option installs some system utility to automatically resize partitions during system operation depending on the block device size and partition use? |
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| 06:20.16 | AngryBeers | reaches down into apm1's pants and twaddles his anus, dilating it by stretching his fingers before yanking down the pants and thrusting his tongue deep into apm1's rectum |
| 06:20.17 | AngryBeers | oh yeah |
| 06:20.36 | apm1 | nmschulte, no its that the whole sub FS is lucid if you only have / |
| 06:20.53 | apm1 | thats a default on any distro |
| 06:21.11 | AngryBeers | nmschulte needs to jack me off and lick out my ahole |
| 06:21.13 | AngryBeers | oh yeahh |
| 06:21.25 | AngryBeers | do it while i eat out apm1's brownie hole |
| 06:21.36 | AngryBeers | meanwhile johnfreez can pound my ass and make his balls swing into mine |
| 06:21.39 | nmschulte | apm1: what do you mean by lucid? |
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| 06:21.49 | nmschulte | with the single partition install, the /tmp has no "quota" |
| 06:21.53 | nmschulte | As far as I'm aware. |
| 06:22.04 | nmschulte | It's just another directory on the FS, and has inodes at it's disposal. |
| 06:22.23 | apm1 | nmschulte,yes exactly |
| 06:22.32 | nmschulte | So it shouldn't be "filling up." |
| 06:22.46 | apm1 | nope that is the issue |
| 06:22.48 | Yukikaze | if you haven't made /tmp it's own partition it's just a folder |
| 06:22.48 | nmschulte | What does your partition setup look like? |
| 06:23.05 | apm1 | Yukikaze, ^^ |
| 06:23.08 | nmschulte | Do you have /tmp mounted from a partition/fs separate from /? |
| 06:23.16 | nmschulte | If not, then you have just used up all of your disk space. |
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| 06:23.28 | nmschulte | And you need to clear some files so that /tmp can continue to work. |
| 06:23.42 | apm1 | i only have / all the others are just sub directories |
| 06:23.44 | nmschulte | It's not the temporary file setup that is the issue, it's that you've run out of disk space all around that is the issue. |
| 06:23.57 | AngryBeers | zophy i want to ream your ass hole |
| 06:24.00 | AngryBeers | and fill it full of cum |
| 06:24.14 | nmschulte | It would be nice if your program knew that the disk was filling and stopped trying to use /tmp, but that's asking a bit much of it I suppose. |
| 06:24.16 | johnfreez | nmschulte, there appears to be separate partitions for home, tmp, usr, and var |
| 06:24.20 | apm1 | abrotman, we need you there is a troll |
| 06:24.36 | apm1 | JohnDoh, in that case you are screwed |
| 06:24.43 | nmschulte | johnfreez: that's unfortunate; you'll need to expand the /tmp partition. |
| 06:24.46 | nmschulte | Or better, just remove it |
| 06:24.51 | AngryBeers | apm1 we need you here |
| 06:24.55 | AngryBeers | our dicks are hard |
| 06:24.58 | nmschulte | and make a /tmp directory on the "root" file system. |
| 06:25.04 | AngryBeers | we need to stretch out your tight pert browniehole |
| 06:25.05 | AngryBeers | niggers |
| 06:25.22 | Yukikaze | could someone ban AngryBeers? |
| 06:25.24 | nmschulte | and then presto, you removed the separate /tmp partition, and it now shares a partition with / |
| 06:25.29 | apm1 | nmschulte, i don't think its a good idea to resize the partitions in this situation |
| 06:25.37 | AngryBeers | lol nobody got mad until i said |
| 06:25.38 | AngryBeers | niggers |
| 06:25.39 | apm1 | yeah go with removing it |
| 06:25.50 | AngryBeers | shows how brainwashed you gringos are |
| 06:25.51 | nmschulte | apm1: correct, he's likely used up all of the partition space for the others, and it would just be a hassle. |
| 06:25.57 | AngryBeers | nothing is worse than saying |
| 06:26.00 | nmschulte | johnfreez: Does this make sense? |
| 06:26.01 | AngryBeers | nigger nigger nigger nigger |
| 06:26.10 | johnfreez | i believe these partitions are dynamically resizable, but i'm not sure how to tell |
| 06:26.20 | Yukikaze | ｗ |
| 06:26.21 | johnfreez | nmschulte, yes, that makes sense. doing it is another matter |
| 06:26.30 | nmschulte | johnfreez: yeah, do it in single user mode |
| 06:26.40 | nmschulte | so that no running programs will lose /tmp datas |
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| 06:27.00 | nmschulte | Reall,y it's as simple as commenting out the line in /etc/fstab |
| 06:27.07 | nmschulte | or changing it to not automount |
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| 06:27.29 | nmschulte | You don't have to kill the partition; you can prove it works first. |
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| 06:27.37 | johnfreez | so if it's done that way, effectively the 386 MB /tmp partition goes unused |
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| 06:27.52 | johnfreez | and then tmp get's automagically created on which partition? |
| 06:27.54 | nmschulte | johnfreez: correct. you can then later delete it, and expand whatever nearby partition is available into it. |
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| 06:28.03 | Yukikaze | johnfreez: / |
| 06:28.08 | nmschulte | Or do the whole shuffle if you want (But then you might as well keep /tmp and just make it bigger). |
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| 06:28.38 | nmschulte | johnfreez: Yeah, right now the "/tmp" partition is mounted on the "root (/)" partitions /tmp directory. |
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| 06:28.54 | nmschulte | s/partition/partition and file-system/ |
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| 06:29.09 | nmschulte | Whatever, I think you know what I'm saying. |
| 06:29.18 | johnfreez | from my limited vantage point, i don't see the advantage of a distinct /tmp partition |
| 06:29.30 | nmschulte | with a single disk system, there probably isn't. |
| 06:29.34 | alexbobp | if I want to disable gdm in the recovery boot option, do I just rm it from /etc/rc1.d, or is there a proper way? |
| 06:29.55 | johnfreez | ok, i'm taking a look at /etc/fstab |
| 06:29.56 | nmschulte | But, you can make /tmp a faster speed device, e.g. SSD, and you will see improvements for things where it matters. Silly scenarios like that. |
| 06:30.35 | johnfreez | nmschulte, i see |
| 06:30.54 | johnfreez | the entry for /tmp is as follows: |
| 06:30.57 | johnfreez | "/dev/mapper/owslibrary-tmp /tmp ext4 defaults 0 2 |
| 06:31.16 | johnfreez | i'm not familiar with the /dev/mapper/ scheme |
| 06:31.23 | nmschulte | if you man fstab, search for "auto" or "noauto", and it should talk about an option to keep it from auto mounting |
| 06:31.46 | nmschulte | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:32.01 | nmschulte | It's commonly used for things like disk encryption with LUKS and dm-crypt |
| 06:32.08 | nmschulte | dm-crypt == dev mapper - crypt |
| 06:32.19 | nmschulte | It's also used for fake-raid and software-raid |
| 06:32.32 | johnfreez | which is what i selected during setup, disk encryption |
| 06:32.37 | nmschulte | and many things where you might need that layer of indirection between physical disk and virtual disks |
| 06:33.01 | johnfreez | so if i were to comment out /tmp, might /tmp be created on a partition with not enough room for it? |
| 06:33.19 | nmschulte | you have to understand how it works in order to answer that |
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| 06:33.33 | nmschulte | [00:28] <nmschulte> johnfreez: Yeah, right now the "/tmp" partition is mounted on the "root (/)" partitions /tmp directory. |
| 06:33.56 | nmschulte | So, if we stop mounting the partition there, the directory will still exist on the file-system (partition) that it was mounted on. |
| 06:34.10 | nmschulte | In this case, the /tmp directory on the "root (/)" file system. |
| 06:34.14 | johnfreez | nmschulte, ahh |
| 06:34.29 | johnfreez | so root happens only to have 322 MB alotted to it |
| 06:34.41 | johnfreez | so i think this complicates things |
| 06:34.47 | nmschulte | No, the "/tmp" partition is only that big. |
| 06:34.53 | nmschulte | (From what we've gathered at least) |
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| 06:35.28 | nmschulte | johnfreez: can you paste the contents of `fdisk -l` and `cat /etc/fstab`? |
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| 06:35.39 | nmschulte | (not here, but on a paste site) |
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| 06:36.31 | johnfreez | 'df -h' reports / as 322 MB, /tmp 386 MB, /usr 8.3 GB, /var 2.8 GB, and /home 60 GB |
| 06:36.44 | johnfreez | nmschulte, doing it |
| 06:36.47 | nmschulte | apm1: crap. |
| 06:37.24 | apm1 | this guy has the most curious partition sizes i've seen in my life |
| 06:37.42 | apm1 | were you suicidal when you did this install johnfreez ? |
| 06:38.47 | digdilem | that is odd |
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| 06:38.49 | apm1 | nmschulte,he could backup his home and remove the user and then expand / with the freespace ? |
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| 06:39.22 | ttal | Hey all. |
| 06:39.23 | nmschulte | yeah |
| 06:39.24 | johnfreez | apm1, i promise this was automatically setup by debian upon selecting the encrypted partition option |
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| 06:39.30 | johnfreez | nmschulte, http://pastebin.com/CYUJNhT5 |
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| 06:40.00 | ttal | When doing a net install of debian, what does the "Debian desktop environment" option mean under "Choose software to install:"? |
| 06:40.12 | nmschulte | apm1: Is that LVM I think? |
| 06:40.20 | nmschulte | apm1: Might be easier then. |
| 06:40.20 | ttal | That's not a de like xfce or the like right? |
| 06:40.21 | apm1 | yeah i fear the same |
| 06:40.31 | apm1 | i have no idea abt handling LVM |
| 06:40.48 | nmschulte | johnfreez: I haven't played with LVM, but it's supposed to make doing the kind of things we're talking about easier. |
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| 06:41.20 | nmschulte | It might be faster to just re-install debian on this machine than it would be to resize / move partitions with the structure you currently have setup |
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| 06:42.18 | nmschulte | johnfreez: If all of the data can be easily backed up and restored, then I would suggest you re-install. Otherwise, you'll have to have someone else help with the procedure; I can't really help (time for bed too, :/). |
| 06:42.35 | nmschulte | Or you can search online for answers and piece it together. |
| 06:42.47 | johnfreez | nmschulte, thanks for your guidance and advise |
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| 06:43.19 | apm1 | wasn't LVM busted on wheezy's release ? |
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| 06:43.25 | nmschulte | johnfreez: no problem, sorry I couldn't see you all the way; maybe apm1 can help with more. |
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| 06:43.57 | johnfreez | nmschulte, i'm curious, have you ever considered encrypting your disks? |
| 06:44.06 | nmschulte | johnfreez: I do! On all of my installs. |
| 06:44.12 | apm1 | johnfreez, i can find you a guide document by googling in specifics but can't give you first hand help |
| 06:44.18 | johnfreez | it is appealing to me, though i don't understand how it works, and i feel like there's a signficiant performance hit |
| 06:44.21 | johnfreez | but i can't confirm |
| 06:44.28 | johnfreez | apm1, i hear you |
| 06:45.08 | johnfreez | what i ought to do is a LFS install |
| 06:45.11 | johnfreez | linux from scratch |
| 06:45.15 | johnfreez | been wanting to for years |
| 06:45.44 | nmschulte | johnfreez: I run encryption on top of my RAID 0 root fs, and my swap space. I use a RAID 0 (mirrored) boot partition as well, and the swap partition is automatically unlocked via derived key when the root partition is unlocked. |
| 06:45.55 | apm1 | johnfreez, read the thread http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=19411 |
| 06:46.43 | nmschulte | johnfreez: I haven't noticed any significant slow-down with the disk encryption, but I don't trash the disk much, just developing code mostly (and running it). |
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| 06:47.09 | nmschulte | I play games via Steam installed on the system as well, and they aren't noticably taxed either. |
| 06:47.29 | nmschulte | I'm not sure what the overhead really is, but I think it's a CPU hit. |
| 06:47.39 | johnfreez | nmschulte, i see; i'm on 5 year old laptop hardware here; i'm still not sure why the system is generally slugish |
| 06:47.54 | johnfreez | apm1, i'm reading the thread |
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| 06:48.19 | nmschulte | My desktop is from pre-2007, so they're likely comparable systems (dual core AMD Athlon X2 6000+ @ 3.0 GHz). |
| 06:48.39 | nmschulte | 7200 RPM Samsung SpinPoint 3.5" 500 GB disks. |
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| 06:49.16 | shawn | what's good to put for domain name, my network doesnt have a dns |
| 06:49.22 | shawn | i am doing fresh install |
| 06:49.33 | nmschulte | shawnzhouse |
| 06:50.29 | shawn | haha ok |
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| 07:07.25 | Tlin | lan.local |
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| 07:14.07 | rjsalts | don't use lan.local |
| 07:14.18 | rjsalts | local is used by bonjour/avahi/etc. |
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| 07:16.27 | rjsalts | shawn: I'd do something unique like .yourname, .youraddress or .reallycoolobscureword |
| 07:17.19 | rjsalts | shawn: assuming you don't want to spend the money on a domain name |
| 07:18.29 | rjsalts | shawn: lan on it's own is fine, but you'd probably want to do something like something.lan in case you ever interact with someone who also selected lan for their private lan |
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| 07:20.55 | Tlin | I am using lan.local for over 15 years now - so far no problem |
| 07:21.31 | rjsalts | Tlin: guess you're not using zeroconf/bonjour for service discovery |
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| 07:22.51 | Tlin | rjsalts: No I'm not using any Apple crapware |
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| 07:24.42 | rjsalts | Tlin: there are implementations for most OSes, and it's been standardized in rfc 6762 |
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| 07:30.52 | Tlin | rjsalts: Bonjour is wasting network bandwith anyway, so why using it? |
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| 07:32.46 | Tlin | rjsalts: http://www.citeworld.com/mobile/20563/apples-bonjourairplay-poses-network-challenges-it |
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| 07:34.36 | Almtesh | Howdy! |
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| 07:34.58 | Almtesh | I have a server with three hard drives. |
| 07:35.26 | Almtesh | They are 3TB disks. |
| 07:35.43 | Almtesh | I want to know how to boot from them directly. |
| 07:36.30 | Almtesh | Currently, I must use another disk for the boot since the partition table is not MSDOS. |
| 07:37.05 | Almtesh | MSDOS does not allow 3TB partition, it's limited to 2TB. |
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| 07:37.39 | rjsalts | Almtesh: use gpt table and create a small partition with legacy flag set |
| 07:38.02 | rjsalts | Almtesh: like 1 meg or less should be enough |
| 07:38.11 | Almtesh | In GPT, I can create a partition with a legacy flag? |
| 07:38.29 | Almtesh | And the BIOS could boot on it? |
| 07:39.08 | rjsalts | the bootloader will be able to be installed there, and the start of the gpt table will have a jump to that position for bootloaders |
| 07:40.06 | rjsalts | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table#Legacy_MBR_.28LBA_0.29 |
| 07:40.31 | buu | Should the /etc/hostname file be fully qualified? |
| 07:40.44 | Almtesh | buu, that's better. |
| 07:41.09 | rjsalts | buu: usually not in debian. It relies on the entry in /etc/hosts to discover the FQDN |
| 07:41.47 | Almtesh | buu, oh, yes, sorry, no, the hostname is the name of the host, thanks rjsalts. |
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| 07:42.54 | buu | Thanks |
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| 07:43.05 | holycow | hi |
| 07:43.24 | Guest73480 | i am upgrading a 32 bit debian to a 64 bit version with this tutorial: https://wiki.debian.org/Migrate32To64Bit |
| 07:43.25 | Almtesh | And you put in /etc/hosts : 127.0.1.1 <FQDN> <hostname> |
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| 07:44.06 | Almtesh | Debian rocks! → Guest73480 |
| 07:44.15 | Guest73480 | the kbd package gives me this error: kbd conflicts with console-utilities ; console-tools provides console-utilities and is present and installed. |
| 07:44.45 | Guest73480 | i cannot uninstall console-tools because apt-get -f must complete. suggestions for resolving the conflict? |
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| 07:46.55 | jtreminio | Evening all. I have this: http://pastie.org/private/axvwmjitkfnjipvweozfmw My user is in group www-data, php folder belongs to group www-data, I am unable to write to php |
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| 07:47.57 | buu | jtreminio: php doesn't have g+w ? |
| 07:48.07 | jtreminio | slaps forhead |
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| 07:49.23 | rjsalts | jtreminio: I'm assuming this php directory is for user uploads, otherwise giving www-data write access is a bad idea, assuming you're not using suexec cgi/fastcgi/... |
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| 07:50.21 | jtreminio | rjsalts: what would be the proper way to handle this? |
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| 07:51.37 | rjsalts | jtreminio: you have a group of people working on this? or just you? |
| 07:51.39 | buu | Don't put uploads someplace the webserver is configured to read from |
| 07:51.49 | jtreminio | this isn't for uploads |
| 07:51.56 | jtreminio | rjsalts: it's just me, learning as I go |
| 07:53.29 | rjsalts | jtreminio: chown bluejaydev:www-data on /var/www/bluejaywireless, chmod 750 /var/www/bluejaywireless, then create everything inside with a umask of 022 |
| 07:53.57 | rjsalts | jtreminio: so it will be world readable but owned by bluejaydev:bluejaydev |
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| 07:54.31 | rjsalts | jtreminio: other local users will not be able to view it because of the permissions on /var/www/bluejaywireless |
| 07:54.36 | jtreminio | would it make sense to create a www-users group and give write permissions to /var/www/bluejaywireless? keeping www-data to only read? |
| 07:54.43 | rjsalts | jtreminio: only yourself and users in group www-data |
| 07:55.20 | rjsalts | jtreminio: sharing it between a group of people is more difficult |
| 07:55.47 | rjsalts | jtreminio: but can be done with extended acls |
| 07:55.55 | rjsalts | in the same manner |
| 07:56.13 | saivert | That is what I do. use a shared group among web server and myself. |
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| 07:58.16 | saivert | php-fpm runs its workers as nobody:nobody so pretty restrictive there |
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| 08:00.47 | jtreminio | thanks a bunch saivert, clears up what I need to do |
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| 08:04.09 | rjsalts | jtreminio: http://paste.debian.net/79426/ |
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| 08:05.51 | slept | Guest73480, why would you install like that? since it involves rebooting you might just copy /home and /etc as well as the list of installed packages to an other drive or usb stick and do a fresh install . I would assume this takes half the time and leaves you with a sane system ... appart from that aptitude seems to be better in resolving conflicts (not sure for this kind of) |
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| 08:07.00 | Guest73480 | slept: preinstalled/proconfigured bacula plus a few other things. i figured i would see how much would stay intact during the process |
| 08:07.13 | Guest73480 | i may have to start from scratch though for a clean setup |
| 08:09.39 | saivert | find . -type f -exec chmod -x '{}' \; |
| 08:09.44 | saivert | ah sanity restored! |
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| 08:13.45 | slept | Guest73480, you might want to google cross debootstraping and copy those files in /etc you changed yourself |
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| 08:14.31 | Guest73480 | yeah, adding to todo |
| 08:14.32 | Guest73480 | thx |
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| 08:20.33 | bw_ | hm, after upgrade to wheezy me sendmail group pointed to a nonexisting group, any hints or idea how this might have happend? (maybe a bug?) |
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| 08:28.37 | ttal | what is the default desktop environment for debian? |
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| 08:29.28 | cyzz | gnome |
| 08:29.40 | saivert | Gnome 2 |
| 08:29.48 | ThatOneRoadie | anyone know off the top of their head what the nvidia legacy 304.xx driver package is called in wheezy's repo? |
| 08:29.53 | cyzz | wheezy uses gnome3 |
| 08:30.00 | ThatOneRoadie | or do I have to temporaroly add the sid repo? |
| 08:30.06 | ThatOneRoadie | temporarily* |
| 08:30.09 | ttal | i see. |
| 08:30.12 | saivert | well I don't run graphical debian |
| 08:30.16 | saivert | just on a server |
| 08:30.22 | saivert | no X11 for me. hate it |
| 08:30.29 | saivert | Wayland is the way to go |
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| 08:30.36 | ttal | so if i did a net install, it would have x11? |
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| 08:31.32 | cyzz | if you select it.... sure |
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| 08:32.45 | ttal | another quick question, why are there 8 amd64 cds? |
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| 08:33.05 | cyzz | this is the full repo i think |
| 08:33.28 | ttal | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/amd64/bt-cd/ |
| 08:33.33 | ttal | in this list there is no gnome option. |
| 08:33.52 | ttal | do you just get the net install and download gnome as you go?? |
| 08:33.55 | cyzz | what.... |
| 08:34.14 | cyzz | i install through dvd |
| 08:34.29 | saivert | gnome is default. there is a separate CD1 for lxde and kde etc. |
| 08:34.36 | saivert | look through the file list |
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| 08:34.51 | ttal | disclaimer, im trying to wrap my head around which version of debian to get and what desktop environments come with what version.. |
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| 08:35.04 | ttal | i see.. |
| 08:35.18 | ttal | So you require only cd1 to get started? |
| 08:35.29 | saivert | and no matter what you end up with you can always change desktop environment by installing another one. |
| 08:35.40 | cyzz | you can get all versions if you use custom souces |
| 08:36.00 | cyzz | yes, only cd1 |
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| 08:36.24 | saivert | only CD1 yes is required. Debian is just one of few distros providing a bunch of CD/DVD images for those who got no internet at install time. |
| 08:36.29 | ttal | ok i think i got it. So I only need this file to get debian with gnome default: debian-7.3.0-amd64-CD-1.iso.torrent |
| 08:36.39 | cyzz | but if your inet-conn i bit small then .... |
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| 08:36.46 | saivert | I personally just use a net install everytime. Hate having discs everywhere with outdated packages on them |
| 08:36.57 | cyzz | usb-image |
| 08:37.00 | cyzz | ...btw |
| 08:37.09 | saivert | I boot net install from PXE. |
| 08:37.11 | saivert | net boot |
| 08:37.15 | cyzz | ok |
| 08:37.19 | cyzz | another way |
| 08:37.28 | ttal | got it, yeah i like just having the ISO on hand, no physical disk. |
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| 08:37.49 | cyzz | just put the iso on the ubs-pen |
| 08:37.52 | cyzz | usb* |
| 08:38.26 | cyzz | unetbootin...... |
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| 08:39.27 | cyzz | dont forget to check out your boot-options for bios/efi |
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| 08:40.08 | babilen | dpkg: unetbootin |
| 08:40.08 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
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| 08:40.35 | saivert | I just love PXE btw. fire up any machine in my home network and be able to pick distro to install from a menu |
| 08:40.36 | cyzz | :) |
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| 08:40.47 | talo | hi |
| 08:41.05 | Lope | is it possible to install debian onto a USB flash drive so that it can be used on a computer without a hard drive. boot and run from the flash drive, install updates and programs and persist data to the flash drive, then after it has been setup correctly, set the flash drive to boot and run in read only mode? |
| 08:41.16 | cyzz | i switched this year to debian so dont listen to me :D |
| 08:41.59 | cyzz | this could be possible |
| 08:42.00 | ttal | dpkg; what do you suggest as an alternative to unetbootin |
| 08:42.01 | dpkg | ttal: are you using Windows? |
| 08:42.14 | babilen | ttal: The images simply differ in the packages they already contain and which desktop environment it will install by default. Apart from that the installer is the same and you can install every desktop environment with all of them. If you install it depends on the question if you install the "Desktop task" during the initial installation. |
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| 08:42.25 | babilen | dpkg: tell ttal -about usb install |
| 08:42.29 | ttal | no im on a mac right now, I run a few linux netbooks here at home. |
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| 08:43.44 | cyzz | Lope: this also works with microsd-cards |
| 08:44.42 | babilen | ttal: Simply write the images directly to use. On OSX that should be doable with "cp the_debian.iso /dev/diskN" (something along those lines, check in "diskutil list" what you need for diskN) |
| 08:45.00 | ttal | babilen: Thank you. So the "Install desktop environment" option during installation is x11? |
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| 08:45.46 | babilen | ttal: Which desktop environment do you want to install? No, the "Desktop Task" is not Xorg. It will install a desktop environmen such as Gnome (default), KDE, XFCE or LXDE. As those depend on Xorg that will be installed as well., |
| 08:45.56 | ttal | babilen, that's pretty cool, a straight copy. |
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| 08:46.03 | ttal | xfce |
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| 08:46.23 | babilen | dpkg: tell ttal -about xfce |
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| 08:46.50 | babilen | ttal: Do you have a proper internet connection? How do you connect (hardware wise) and which GPU do you have? |
| 08:46.51 | cyzz | it take some time to handy gnome3 but the workflow is not as bad |
| 08:47.04 | cyzz | handle* |
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| 08:47.08 | ttal | i just realise I asked dpkg a question before. Embarressing. |
| 08:47.23 | babilen | dpkg: botsnack |
| 08:47.24 | dpkg | babilen: aw, gee |
| 08:47.31 | ttal | haha |
| 08:47.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell ttal -about install debian |
| 08:47.56 | ttal | in saying all this I think I am good. I just installed the xfce version of debian on a vm. all looking good. |
| 08:47.59 | babilen | ttal: Ask the bot about all the things in <..> |
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| 08:49.18 | babilen | ttal: Ack, if you install on real hardware make sure to install either amd64-microcode or intel-microcode to ensure that your processor is working bug free. You have to enable <non-free sources> for that. (cf. <wheezy sources.list>) |
| 08:50.02 | ttal | Mother nature only knows how many times I have done this guys. I want to fully switch to debian but things come up that keep me from doing it.. |
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| 08:50.09 | cyzz | modern systems love the jessie sources..... btw |
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| 08:50.33 | ttal | babilen, is "amd64-microcode" a package to install once debian is installed? |
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| 08:50.56 | ThatOneRoadie | Query: lspci doesn't show my legacy graphics card (Quadro FX 560M) even though I installed the nvidia legacy drivers as detailed in https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_304.88 |
| 08:50.58 | ThatOneRoadie | any ideas? |
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| 08:52.01 | cyzz | ThatOneRoadie: hmmm, try lshw instead |
| 08:52.25 | babilen | ttal: It is indeed. Read <microcode> and the output of, say, "apt-cache show amd64-microcode" or take a look at http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64-microcode |
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| 08:53.40 | ttal | babilen: Ok thank you. |
| 08:54.02 | babilen | ttal: Anything else I can do for you? |
| 08:54.20 | Infra_3600 | ThatOneRoadie, does 'lspci -nn | grep VGA' show any result ? |
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| 08:55.07 | ThatOneRoadie | cyzz: negatory under lshw |
| 08:55.20 | ThatOneRoadie | Infra_3600: lspci -nn | grep VGA shows: 01:03.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI ES1000 [1002:515e] (rev 02) |
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| 08:55.33 | ThatOneRoadie | which is the onboard VGA, IIRC. |
| 08:56.16 | cyzz | glxinfo give ? |
| 08:56.17 | ThatOneRoadie | The BIOS utility (RBSU, it's an HP Blade) sees the card on in PCI Express slot 2 |
| 08:56.35 | ThatOneRoadie | no package glxinfo |
| 08:56.48 | cyzz | mesa-utils |
| 08:56.59 | cyzz | but this is not your problem |
| 08:57.41 | ThatOneRoadie | Also, debian server install, no GUI |
| 08:57.50 | cyzz | you need your onboard vga? |
| 08:57.59 | ThatOneRoadie | not really |
| 08:58.01 | ttal | babilen: No, you have been really helpful. Thank you very much for that, I really appreciate it. |
| 08:58.10 | babilen | ttal: Great, have fun! |
| 08:58.19 | ThatOneRoadie | I access over iLO if SSH fails as a backup, otherwise I never use onboard VGA |
| 08:58.25 | cyzz | try to deactivate |
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| 08:58.36 | cyzz | ...in bios |
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| 08:58.44 | cyzz | if possible |
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| 08:59.10 | ThatOneRoadie | probably not, but i'll have a look |
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| 08:59.32 | ttal | babilen, that was top notch customer care. More helpful than paid services. |
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| 09:05.44 | ttal | if I wanted to install dropbox, would you go to the synaptic package manager, go to the terminal and do something like sudo apt-get install dropbox, or go to the website and look for a download? |
| 09:06.14 | ThatOneRoadie | hmm |
| 09:06.22 | ThatOneRoadie | no disable onboard option in RBSU |
| 09:06.29 | ThatOneRoadie | but there may be a driver available from HP |
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| 09:08.22 | ThatOneRoadie | ...for rhel |
| 09:08.23 | ThatOneRoadie | lol |
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| 09:10.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell ttal -about dropbox |
| 09:11.20 | babilen | ttal: fwiw, I would strongly recommend to take a look at http://git-annex.branchable.com/assistant/ |
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| 09:11.44 | babilen | (yes, watch the screencast) |
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| 09:15.26 | colo-work | does Wheezy's Xorg-stack (with a bpo 3.12 kernel) work well on Haswell hardware with those CPUs' IGPs? |
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| 09:18.10 | nmschulte | What would be my main hurdles if I wanted to run Debian on a MacBook Pro ("11", the recent ones with Intel Haswell chips and Retina displays)? Can I run GRUB and completely ditch Boot Camp? Does all of the hardware work? |
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| 09:19.09 | ttal | ok thank you. |
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| 09:21.45 | stojic | nmschulte: There's some info about various MacBooks on debian wiki, eg this looks close to your specs: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple/MacBookPro/11-1 . |
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| 09:22.30 | cyzz | well.. a ivy-bridge/gtx560 needs the jessie-sources to work well but this could be a system-thing |
| 09:22.37 | nmschulte | stojic: I see that actually, am looking at it. I assume the 11-1 (i5 / i7 based 13") is the best reference for an 11-2 or 11-3 (i7 based 15") |
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| 09:22.58 | nmschulte | cyzz: that aimed at my question? |
| 09:23.18 | cyzz | no @colo-work |
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| 09:23.54 | colo-work | cyzz, my Ivy Bridge system works fine (wht the software setup detailed above) |
| 09:24.03 | cyzz | @wheezy? |
| 09:24.05 | wuffi600 | is there a way to use zram with squeeze? (squeeze uses 2.6.32, zram came with 2.6.37) |
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| 09:24.32 | colo-work | cyzz, wheezy, with the bpo kernel |
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| 09:24.38 | cyzz | Oo |
| 09:24.45 | colo-work | I'm using the CPU's IGP |
| 09:25.33 | cyzz | my system growing first after i setup jessie in sources.lst |
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| 09:27.28 | nmschulte | stojic: Wow... it's actually rather well supported; the new macbooks via debian. |
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| 09:28.10 | nmschulte | Minus all of the proprietary driver issues, the configuration required stuff is nothing new; non-hotplug for thunderbolt and the card reader sucks (As does not being able to change the hardware...). |
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| 09:31.27 | stojic | nmschulte: Nice, I hope it works out well. I have no idea how well it works in practice, I was just recently interested in Macs compatibility with debian so I remembered about this wiki page. |
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| 09:32.07 | nmschulte | stojic: I'm not going to go with a MacBook. The Retina display is nice, but all of the other crap doesn't outweight it. |
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| 09:33.11 | nmschulte | I'm going to grab a Lenovo W540 with a "3K" (2880x1620) 15 inch display instead, and pretty much all of the hardware has non-proprietary implementations that don't suck. |
| 09:33.47 | cyzz | good decision |
| 09:33.53 | ThatOneRoadie | ahahaha fuck |
| 09:34.04 | ThatOneRoadie | there is a hidden option in RBSU to disable the nvidia graphics adapter |
| 09:34.09 | ThatOneRoadie | and I foooound it |
| 09:34.14 | cyzz | ! |
| 09:34.17 | cyzz | \o/ |
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| 09:34.19 | stojic | Nice, I'm still waiting for my Lenovo R500 to die so I can justify getting a new laptop ;-). |
| 09:34.33 | ThatOneRoadie | It's fucking obscure as shit |
| 09:34.47 | cyzz | ~~~~~° |
| 09:35.00 | ThatOneRoadie | "Remote Console Mode: [x] Admin mode, [ ] Setup mode, [ ] User mode |
| 09:35.02 | ThatOneRoadie | " |
| 09:35.14 | cyzz | Oo |
| 09:35.24 | ThatOneRoadie | admin mode disables the adapter, setup mode clones it to the AMD adapter, and user mode separates the two |
| 09:35.33 | cyzz | nice |
| 09:35.42 | cyzz | so you can use this O...... |
| 09:35.48 | cyzz | Ob... |
| 09:35.51 | ThatOneRoadie | which means that's probably why ESXi couldn't see it |
| 09:35.51 | cyzz | dunno |
| 09:35.53 | ThatOneRoadie | I'm retartar |
| 09:35.54 | ThatOneRoadie | XD |
| 09:36.03 | aum | been a few years since i installed a distro from scratch - what is the consensus on sid-based distros like siduction and aptosid? |
| 09:36.35 | cyzz | Optimus... |
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| 09:39.25 | ThatOneRoadie | and heyoooo |
| 09:39.26 | ThatOneRoadie | 13:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G92M [Quadro FX 3600M] (rev a2) |
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| 09:39.58 | ThatOneRoadie | hate obscure bios options :D |
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| 09:40.49 | nmschulte | aum: I'm not sure if there is really a consensus. I remember looking into siduction and aptosid, and I didn't really understand the point. Debian testing is good enough for me. |
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| 09:52.06 | saivert | just looked at the homepages of siduction and aptosid. Didn't really throw in my face why I should pick those over just running Debian sid |
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| 10:03.25 | Anticom | Hi all |
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| 10:04.09 | Anticom | I know my my question is somewhat related to PHP but I didn't know where else to ask: When running 'pecl install [...]' what user should i be? www-data / root? |
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| 10:25.41 | rdz | hey all. I thought there was an easy in Debian to add a certificate to the java keystore, but I can't remember how it is done. any ideas? |
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| 10:41.59 | ghostlines | morning, I can't seem to find menu.lst has this file been renamed in Wheezy? |
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| 10:42.50 | tremon | try grub.cfg |
| 10:43.57 | babilen | ghostlines: What are you trying to do? |
| 10:44.04 | jelly | ghostlines: grub2 uses /boot/grub/grub.cfg, but that one's autogerenated in debian by default. See: /etc/default/grub, /etc/grub.d/ directory, and update-grub command |
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| 10:47.46 | ghostlines | jelly ahh k thanks will check that out |
| 10:48.12 | ghostlines | babilen I upgraded my kernel and it can't find the right boot disk, so I want to manually edit it |
| 10:49.50 | babilen | ghostlines: That would hint at something being wrong. "update-grub2" completes without errors? |
| 10:49.52 | petn-randall | ghostlines: If your (self compiled) kernel doesn't find the root filesystem, it's 90% of the time because you're missing a module to access the HDD. |
| 10:51.01 | ghostlines | hmm I added the backports to my sources yesterday and installed the linux image for kernel 3.12 |
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| 10:51.34 | ghostlines | then I saw some funky dialogue about initramfs about indeed booting drives and I just selected the standard setting all |
| 10:52.13 | ghostlines | so I then selected my old kernel and then it booted |
| 10:52.20 | ghostlines | I'm assuming the UUID is messed up somehow so will compare it with the old kernel entries |
| 10:52.24 | babilen | ghostlines: Ah, you installed the backports kernel and that one can't find your root_fs whereas the 3.2 kernel boots nicely? |
| 10:52.26 | petn-randall | ghostlines: Did you also upgrade the initramfs? |
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| 10:53.19 | ghostlines | yeah the 3.2 kernel booted nicely, and during the kernel update a dependancy was to also update the initramfs which it did according to me |
| 10:53.52 | petn-randall | ghostlines: just to check, when you do 'apt-get install -f', it runs fine? |
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| 10:54.30 | ghostlines | I'll check that now, while in kernel 3.2 |
| 10:54.56 | ghostlines | yeah that runs fine |
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| 10:58.43 | oznt | i need to share some stuff with the world ... I just LOVE git-svn , flawlessly work with svn through git. This is awesome |
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| 10:58.55 | saivert | kernel.org slow again? |
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| 10:59.38 | ghostlines | the UUID's look all the same for kernel entries, however I'm not even seeing the 3.12 kernel in /boot/. But I'm seeing the 3.12 kernel entry in grub.cfg :P |
| 10:59.49 | ghostlines | think I'll update it again and test it out |
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| 11:08.39 | khurram | hi all |
| 11:08.54 | khurram | how to upgrade my vim to latest vim in wheezy ? |
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| 11:09.47 | bw_ | you could fetch vim from testing/unstable with apt-pinning |
| 11:10.11 | khurram | i want stable |
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| 11:10.53 | tremon | ,v vim |
| 11:10.54 | judd | Package: vim on i386 -- squeeze: 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1; squeeze-backports: 2:7.3.547-7~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:7.3.547-7; jessie: 2:7.4.052-1; sid: 2:7.4.052-1 |
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| 11:11.09 | bw_ | you could compile vim from source, but the vim version in stable is the latest for vim in stable;) |
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| 11:11.59 | tremon | !tell khurram -about uupdate |
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| 11:13.59 | khurram | thanks |
| 11:14.02 | khurram | :wq! |
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| 11:33.50 | zh1 | was installing glibc 2.18 on debian 7.3 but failed at some step, what are the proper commands to do it |
| 11:36.49 | tremon | you don't. |
| 11:37.28 | tremon | there is no proper way to upgrade the glibc package |
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| 11:40.44 | Walex | tremon: that's a bit drastic :-) |
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| 11:42.57 | zh1 | tremon then how do i install viber, it requests glibc |
| 11:43.42 | tremon | zh1: ask the package's origin for a proper debian wheezy package |
| 11:43.48 | Walex | zh1: if you are really careful you can have two different 'libc.so' versions installed. |
| 11:44.03 | Walex | zh1: but if you have to ask how to do it, you shouldn't do it. |
| 11:45.05 | tremon | zh1: or get the source, and compile it yourself |
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| 11:46.57 | cheater__ | hi guys |
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| 11:47.20 | zh1 | i am compiling from source tremon |
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| 11:47.36 | babilen | zh1: And it requires glibx 2.18 ? |
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| 11:47.51 | zh1 | no |
| 11:47.59 | zh1 | lower version |
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| 11:48.18 | babilen | zh1: So, why do you need 2.18 then? |
| 11:48.19 | cheater__ | i'm trying to dump an lvm volume from a server, over ssh, but something's messing up and the data that arrives is corrupt. I'm trying to do: ssh server.com "dd if=/dev/vg0/home | bzip2 -c | cat" | dd of=vg0-home.bz2. What am I doing wrong? |
| 11:48.24 | zh1 | but i can run it with 2.18 no? |
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| 11:48.46 | cheater__ | i tried creating the bz2 file on the server (the /home partition only ends up like 200k compressed), and it can be decompressed on the server, but if i do ssh server.com "cat test.bz2" > test.bz2, then the local version is not even recognized as a bz2 file. |
| 11:48.50 | babilen | zh1: You cannot install 2.18 on wheezy (well, you can but not in any way that I'd like to support) |
| 11:49.02 | babilen | zh1: Compile against 2.13 and be done with it. |
| 11:49.13 | zh1 | ok |
| 11:49.20 | ChrisH | cheater__: scp server.com:test.bz2 test.bz2 ?? |
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| 11:50.52 | cheater__ | ChrisH: i need this to stream over ssh, because the server doesn't have enough space for the images. |
| 11:51.02 | tremon | cheater__: first off, lose the |cat . It's silly. and "|dd of=" can be replaced with > |
| 11:51.13 | cheater__ | tremon: yeah, it can.. |
| 11:51.50 | tremon | are you sure the dd command has read access on that volume? |
| 11:51.51 | zh1 | babilen, i get this, /usr/share/viber/Viber: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by /usr/share/viber/Viber) |
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| 11:52.32 | cheater__ | i need the |cat because bzip says it won't output to stdout. |
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| 11:53.44 | tremon | cheater__: that's odd, but ok. Have you checked /dev/vg0/home is unmounted? |
| 11:54.08 | cheater__ | yeah, it's unmounted. |
| 11:54.46 | tremon | cheater__: if you do ssh server.com "dd if=.. of=/dev/null", does it also copy only 200k? |
| 11:54.47 | cheater__ | i said above that i can create the image compressing it on the fly storing it to the remote server's local file system, and then the file works and can be decompressed. |
| 11:55.23 | RoyK | hrmf. seems nagios-nrpe-plugin depends on nagios3, which doesn't really make sense since I run icinga |
| 11:55.24 | cheater__ | tremon: no, it'll copy 5.4 gigs, but it's a partition and it's mostly empty. so it ends up 190 k compressed. |
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| 11:56.13 | tremon | cheater__: ah, sorry, I misunderstood. Have you tried another compressor like gz or xz? |
| 11:56.51 | zh1 | cheater__, i see a dot on the final after bz2 |
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| 11:57.18 | cheater__ | zh1: yes, it's the end of the sentence. |
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| 11:57.39 | cheater__ | tremon: i don't think that has anything to do with the compression algorithm |
| 11:57.58 | cheater__ | what's weird: on the server the .bz2 is 196988, the local copy i did with ssh server.com "cat test.bz2" > test.bz2 is 197028 |
| 11:58.02 | cheater__ | bytes that is |
| 11:59.30 | zh1 | cheater__, on the of you missed the / |
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| 11:59.37 | tremon | cheater__: can you remove/rename the local vg0-home.bz2 and try again? |
| 11:59.49 | zh1 | i guess |
| 12:00.10 | zh1 | or probably not |
| 12:00.37 | cheater__ | zh1: the of would not have a leading slash, since it's supposed to be a file in the pwd. |
| 12:00.50 | zh1 | yes its ok, my mistake |
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| 12:02.20 | zh1 | cheater__, does the ssh do the transfer? |
| 12:02.30 | tremon | cheater__: wait, what? ssh server.com "ls -l test.bz2" gives a filesize of 196988, but ssh server.com "cat test.bz2" > test.bz2 is a different size? |
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| 12:02.50 | cheater__ | yes tremon |
| 12:03.02 | cheater__ | that is the bizarre thing about it |
| 12:03.39 | cheater__ | aha! |
| 12:03.43 | cheater__ | i think i got it |
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| 12:04.07 | cheater__ | i'm using a wrapper script around ssh, and that's messing up the output. |
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| 12:04.20 | cheater__ | thanks for helping me track it down. |
| 12:04.47 | tremon | ah. I was going to tell you to debsums your binaries :) |
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| 12:05.51 | thys | Hey trying to get Node.js to work following this guide: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Installing-Node.js-via-package-manager I am building from source but can't get the final command work I might be putting it in wrong. http://pastebin.com/nJ0RE5rY |
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| 12:06.16 | cheater__ | ok, moving test.bz2 works, now let's try the whole shebang with dd... |
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| 12:06.47 | tremon | thys: have you tried apt-get install sudo? |
| 12:07.13 | thys | I am currently root. is this needed? |
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| 12:08.27 | tremon | no, it's not necessary to compile things as root. But if you are already root, there's no sense invoking sudo |
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| 12:10.34 | tremon | thys: in short, lose the sudo if you're already root |
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| 12:10.50 | thys | Ok thanks I'll remember that. Still does not work, says the same thing |
| 12:11.24 | tremon | I'd rather expect it to say "checkinstall: command not found". Are you sure it's saying "sudo: command not found"? |
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| 12:11.41 | thys | bash: checkinstall: command not found |
| 12:11.47 | martin-_-_ | good day |
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| 12:11.56 | tremon | have you tried apt-get install checkinstall? ;) |
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| 12:12.35 | thys | Well sh*t |
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| 12:15.00 | thys | tremon: thanks. Scariest terminal output I got yet though. A mountain of text |
| 12:15.49 | tremon | the silent commands can be much more lethal though |
| 12:15.51 | zh1 | and glibc 2.14 possible to install? |
| 12:16.22 | wols | zh1: not under wheezy |
| 12:16.28 | zh1 | damn |
| 12:16.29 | tremon | zh1: you can get glibc 2.14 by upgrading to testing. But it's called testing for a reason |
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| 12:16.42 | zh1 | oh nooooooooes |
| 12:16.50 | wols | there are ways to get steam to run however |
| 12:16.56 | wols | LD_PRELOAD and such |
| 12:17.00 | zh1 | my money, my problems |
| 12:17.03 | thys | tremon: http://pastebin.com/gRZQDUX6 |
| 12:17.05 | nullfaith | Testing is fine man. I rock it hard on my personal desktop. |
| 12:17.45 | zh1 | f*ck u viber |
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| 12:20.30 | tremon | thys: there's no error in your paste, other than "installation failed". if you capture the entire command (checkinstall [..] > checkinstall.out 2> checkinstall.err), we might be able to tell you where it failed |
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| 12:22.04 | thys | tremon: sorry you lost me, what should i put in? |
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| 12:23.02 | tremon | thys: add "> checkinstall.out 2> checkinstall.err" (without the quotes) to the end of your checkinstall command. Then, when it completes, upload both files to e.g. paste.debian.org |
| 12:24.43 | tremon | I'll be gone in five minutes though |
| 12:25.09 | tremon | luckily, there are more than 2 people here ;) |
| 12:25.12 | babilen | zh1: Steam has been packaged for Debian and shouldn't be too hard to backport to wheezy |
| 12:25.15 | babilen | judd: v steam |
| 12:25.16 | judd | Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free: 1.0.0.39-2; sid/non-free: 1.0.0.45-1 |
| 12:25.25 | babilen | judd: depends steam --release jessie |
| 12:25.26 | judd | Package steam in jessie/i386 -- depends: debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, libc6 (>= 2.12), libstdc++6 (>= 4.3), libx11-6, libxau6, libxcb1, libxdmcp6, libgl1-mesa-dri, libgl1-mesa-glx, xterm | gnome-terminal,debconf, multiarch-support. |
| 12:25.38 | babilen | judd: checkbackport steam |
| 12:25.40 | judd | Backporting package steam in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 12:25.44 | tremon | I thought zh1 was looking to install viber, not steam |
| 12:25.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell zh1 -about ssb |
| 12:26.43 | babilen | Yeah, I seem to have misinterpreted "wols > there are ways to get steam to run however" -- looks as if wols simply mentioned steam as it is the program that most frequently spurs questions like zh1's |
| 12:26.52 | babilen | Sorry for the noise :( |
| 12:27.20 | zh1 | it was really viber, can i get it on debian |
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| 12:34.11 | thys | tremon: http://paste.debian.net/79458/ |
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| 12:39.44 | thys | Does anyone have any ideas? I don't seem to be alone with this issue. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/nodejs/HKPnAYCTCXA/3KLABycSDXYJ |
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| 12:45.31 | whitecrow1 | I'm quite familiar with C language programming and these are my codes https://github.com/arastoo |
| 12:45.32 | whitecrow1 | Now i am looking for an open-source project to participate in And i am interested in taking part in any project to improve in my field. |
| 12:45.32 | whitecrow1 | Furthermore, i am keen on file systems but i know nothing about them yet, unfortunately. |
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| 12:52.58 | wols | whitecrow1: help out something you are interested in. submit patches for example. |
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| 12:54.57 | whitecrow1 | wols, i interested in filesystem and kernel but , i don't know any thing about them i just know C :D |
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| 12:58.46 | mcfrisk | Q: why would cron not run my /root/dyndns update script? cronjob is executed but program output is null and DNS updates are not working, using ipcheck through the script. |
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| 13:00.23 | ChrisH | mcfrisk: standard error is: you assume PATH settings which das not given. Simply use commands with absolut path like /bin/grep instead of grep |
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| 13:00.57 | mcfrisk | ChrisH: doing that. |
| 13:01.34 | petn-randall | mcfrisk: If it failed to run, you should have gotten a mail by cron. |
| 13:01.36 | mcfrisk | ran out of ideas why its failing, added 'set -x' to the script but cant see anything in logs when cronjob is executed. |
| 13:01.55 | mcfrisk | ah, not running mail at all.. |
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| 13:02.31 | petn-randall | mcfrisk: by default doesn't log the output anywhere. You'll have to do it yourself. Add ' 2>&1 > /tmp/cronlog' to the end of your cron job. |
| 13:02.47 | petn-randall | mcfrisk: Check in /var/log/auth.log if the cron job is even run at that time. |
| 13:03.53 | mcfrisk | petn-randall: thanks, my rasbian is was not running exim, cron job was executed all right but somethings wrong. |
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| 13:06.28 | wodim | hello, why does virtualbox-guest-utils (which is said to be a package with no x11 utilities) try to install xorg server anyway ? |
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| 13:08.03 | ksk | wodim: you sure it does? it dependencies do not say so. maybe its a recommend? try installing with aptitude -R (--without-recommends) |
| 13:08.31 | wodim | why does aptitude try to install recommended packages by default? |
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| 13:08.53 | ksk | Id guess because its recommended ;) |
| 13:09.10 | wodim | recommended for what? does aptitude think the user doesn't know what it wants? |
| 13:09.12 | petn-randall | wodim: You're installing the recommendation virtualbox-guest-x11, too. Try 'aptitude -R' or 'apt-get --no-install-recommends' to omit it. |
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| 13:09.41 | ksk | wodim: recommended for most of the users/usecases |
| 13:09.59 | mcfrisk | hmbh, I had disabled ipv6 module loading, exim4 couldn't bind to ::1 and paniced, don't have mails running and cron logs not there... |
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| 13:10.16 | Dagger | mcfrisk: simple solution: don't disable v6 :p |
| 13:10.19 | petn-randall | wodim: It's the default and you didn't change the config. See 'man apt.conf' how to change the default permanently. |
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| 13:13.00 | wodim | how do i install the kernel modules for the guest? because virtualbox-dkms tries to install x11-common too |
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| 13:14.30 | wodim | ah wrong package |
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| 13:17.00 | toot | hello, i would like to know how to automaticly connect to defined wireless network through NetworkManager when DHCP on router is dissabled and ipv4 adress is manually setted upcan somebody help me |
| 13:17.03 | flos | wodim, what do you mean by "install the kernel modules for the guest"? |
| 13:17.10 | toot | debian - wheezy |
| 13:17.43 | wodim | virtualbox has kernel modules for the guest system |
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| 13:17.50 | flos | toot, #sudo nmcli con up id <SSID> ? |
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| 13:18.26 | flos | toot, try man nmcli as there are many options for nmcli. |
| 13:18.58 | petn-randall | toot: You can simply set it up with the configuration manager of network-manager. Where are you stuck? |
| 13:18.59 | Tlin | wodim, install from the virtual box guest cd. so the version between virtualbox and the addons match |
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| 13:19.09 | toot | flos: OK, I WIL |
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| 13:20.06 | flos | wodim, ah... i suppose you are trying to load virtualbox modules in the *HOST*.. |
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| 13:22.02 | toot | flos: trought GUI? |
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| 13:22.41 | flos | toot, no. nmcli is a component of NetworkManager and runs in cli. |
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| 13:23.02 | toot | flos: ok, i am experimentig now. thanx |
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| 13:23.18 | flos | toot, if you want the GUI way, install the nm-applet and use it in you desktop. |
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| 13:24.58 | ripero | Hi, I'm trying to install jessie in a new laptop, but I am a little lost with the partition tables |
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| 13:25.30 | wols | ripero: gpt or mbr? what partitions are there so far? |
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| 13:26.45 | ripero | fdisk -l says GPT |
| 13:26.53 | flos | ripero, backup your current partition table now, first |
| 13:27.29 | ripero | flos: how? |
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| 13:29.52 | flos | ripero, if you are using gpt, forget fdisk. use parted or gdisk. |
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| 13:31.12 | ripero | flos: yep, I tried parted - I'm copying the partition table to pastebin |
| 13:31.27 | flos | ripero, maybe you could read this article http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/repairing.html before use it. |
| 13:31.40 | flos | ripero, ah.. all right. |
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| 13:33.56 | ripero | flos: http://pastebin.com/n4DPJgB1 |
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| 13:34.41 | flos | ripero, checking... |
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| 13:35.58 | ripero | I would like to setup a dual boot, but it's the first time I find "EFI" stuff and so many windows partitions |
| 13:36.32 | flos | ripero, you are using win8+? |
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| 13:36.47 | ripero | flos: yes |
| 13:36.55 | petn-randall | ripero: It's best if you change over to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, where jessie/sid are supported. |
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| 13:38.48 | flos | ripero, i'm sorry that i don't have much experiences with win8+, if someone knows it, please reach him for further help. |
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| 13:39.43 | ripero | petn-randall: does win8+ require jessie/sid? my reason to install jessie was mostly lazyness (the ethernet card seems to only be supported from the 3.3 kernel) |
| 13:40.12 | ripero | flos: ok, thanks |
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| 13:41.31 | petn-randall | ripero: No, Windows 8 runs fine without any Debian :). If you have UEFI on your system, this is supported with our current stable, "wheezy". |
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| 13:50.57 | ripero | sorry, ran out of battery ... did anybody have a clue about the win8+ install / is there a log of the room anywhere? |
| 13:51.11 | ChrisH | petn-randall: I do not agree to "Windows 8 runs fine" :) |
| 13:51.45 | petn-randall | ChrisH: Well, it doesn't run better or worse when Debian is installed ... ;) |
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| 13:52.32 | petn-randall | ripero: There was only my message between your last one and your disconnect. Did you get that? |
| 13:52.34 | ChrisH | ripero: I did a dua boot install of Debian stable beside Win 8.1 and all I needed to do was some medium magic to allow booting of something other. That might be BIOS specific and using google did a quick hit. |
| 13:52.50 | ChrisH | petn-randall: last one on that: It will run less often :) |
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| 13:53.55 | ripero | petn-randall: I am afraid not |
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| 13:54.16 | petn-randall | ChrisH: You just need to make sure not to touch any UEFI/legacy boot/secure boot options after installing Debian (and Windows 8, as a matter of fact), otherwise you'll run into problems. |
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| 13:54.38 | petn-randall | ripero: No, Windows 8 runs fine without any Debian :). If you have UEFI on your system, this is supported with our current stable, "wheezy". |
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| 13:56.29 | flos | petn-randall, any tutorial for how to install debian on a box which already has a win8 in it? |
| 13:57.39 | petn-randall | flos: Just make sure 'secure boot' is off, other than that it should be a default install. |
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| 13:57.44 | ripero | ChrisH: OK, I already changed the bios setup to a legacy mode |
| 13:58.27 | ripero | otherwise it wouldn't let me load the debian installer from the USB stick |
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| 13:59.20 | petn-randall | ripero: How was your windows installed? If it wasn't in legacy mode, you shouldn't install Debian with it. |
| 13:59.53 | ripero | petn-randall: the laptop came with secure boot and uefi enabled |
| 14:00.18 | petn-randall | ripero: You can't install Debian in legacy mode, and then later change to UEFI, this will break the installation. Which is why in your case it's best to install it in uefi mode. |
| 14:00.19 | ripero | and windows loaded smoothly in that way |
| 14:00.36 | petn-randall | ripero: Just deactivate secure boot, that's all that's needed to do a clean install. |
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| 14:03.29 | ripero | petn-randall: ok, thanks, now I see (hadn't noticed that without the secure boot UEFI allowed to load the usb stick) |
| 14:04.23 | flos | petn-randall, ah.. so after installing the debian in an UEFI enabled box, debian will add an entry to the UEFI menu, right? as i don't have the experiment at hand. |
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| 14:04.57 | ripero | besides, out of the 6 partitions already present, I should only repartition the 5th one and leave the others as they are ( http://pastebin.com/n4DPJgB1 ), right? |
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| 14:07.24 | petn-randall | flos|mahjong: Yes, It will basically add grub to the UEFI menu, so you can either configure grub to dual boot, or use the UEFI menu. |
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| 14:11.21 | flos|mahjong | petn-randall, thanks! |
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| 14:29.40 | abrotman | dpkg: tell olri about away |
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| 14:31.20 | olri | is back (gone 00:02:14) |
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| 14:35.44 | olri | abrotman: sorry for the status message, i was searching to disable connect/quit messages in xchat |
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| 14:35.57 | abrotman | olri: it's a checkbox |
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| 14:46.21 | adkins | hey guys, i have finally got an i5 and ssd and wonder if i should make some further settings for improving it in my fresh wheezy. Any advices? |
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| 14:47.23 | wols | adkins: enable trim |
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| 14:48.33 | barboza | anybody brazilian? |
| 14:48.41 | WormFood | I'm sure somebody is |
| 14:48.55 | WormFood | I'm sure there is more than 1 |
| 14:49.21 | rozie | adkins: theres wiki on that subjec |
| 14:50.03 | adkins | wols: i do this by just adding the options: discard,noatime to etc/fstab right? thats it? |
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| 14:50.37 | rozie | https://wiki.debian.org/SSD%20Installation |
| 14:50.55 | rozie | https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization?action=show&redirect=SSDoptimization |
| 14:51.08 | WormFood | I also use nodiratime |
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| 14:51.29 | rozie | WormFood: no point in this if you have noatime |
| 14:51.41 | adkins | rozie: thx. |
| 14:51.51 | rozie | noatime implies nodiratime |
| 14:51.51 | WormFood | yeah, I suppose you're right |
| 14:52.00 | WormFood | I see that, now that I read both of them |
| 14:52.09 | WormFood | a directory is a node |
| 14:52.22 | WormFood | or, inode |
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| 14:52.52 | WormFood | so, that would fall under noatime....nodiratime would be if you wanted atime on the files, but not the directory (can't think of a use for that) |
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| 14:53.00 | rozie | https://lwn.net/Articles/245002/ |
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| 14:53.34 | adkins | rozie: the first link i`ve found already but wasnt sure which option is really good, unneccesary,.....etc. so i came here to ask you all |
| 14:53.36 | funkster | if i have wired and wireless connected at same time, how do I always make it so wired is used/default getways. there there something that i can do that will default to this? |
| 14:53.43 | adkins | so: noatime or relatime? |
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| 14:54.02 | WormFood | I have my system split. My system is on the ssd, and the user directories are on hdd |
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| 14:56.36 | rozie | adkins: ext4 defaults,noatime,discard,errors=remount-ro,nobarrier and /tmp as tmpfs |
| 14:56.40 | rozie | that's what I use |
| 14:57.01 | rozie | plus sector alignment (that's partitioning) |
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| 14:57.18 | adkins | thx rozie |
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| 14:57.34 | adkins | rozie: what is meant by: /tmp as tmpfs |
| 14:58.19 | rozie | http://www.legendiary.at/2012/03/21/debian-wheezy-mounts-tmp-as-tmpfs-by-default/ |
| 14:58.39 | rozie | by default /tmp is (was) directory on disk |
| 14:58.54 | rozie | and was cleared on system start (rm) |
| 14:59.21 | rozie | it's not persistent anyway, so it's better to use RAM for this |
| 14:59.31 | rozie | (if you have enough) |
| 14:59.38 | adkins | rozie: i have 8 |
| 14:59.39 | rozie | especially for SSD |
| 15:00.10 | adkins | is that "enough"? |
| 15:00.24 | rozie | if you can afford |
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| 15:02.44 | plmakes | hey guys, any suggestions how to change the permission on dev/net/tun to acces to it through php? |
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| 15:05.19 | rozie | adkins: I'm pretty sure with 8GB you can use tmpfs |
| 15:05.25 | WormFood | plmakes chmod, or make the php member a member of the proper group |
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| 15:05.55 | petern_ | hmm, it's already 666 for me |
| 15:05.58 | WormFood | rozie, well, I suppose that would depend on how much data the software is expecting to be able to store in tempfs, wouldn't it? :P |
| 15:05.59 | plmakes | changeg alredy to www-data but without any effect |
| 15:06.12 | plmakes | WormFood, |
| 15:06.18 | adkins | rozie: ok, thx, i`m just reading into this topic, not understanding it all yet |
| 15:06.42 | rozie | WormFood: it's default since Wheezy |
| 15:06.51 | petern_ | your user needs CAP_NET_ADMIN privileges |
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| 15:07.40 | WormFood | not sure. the default owner/group for /dev/net/tap is root/root |
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| 15:07.49 | WormFood | er, /dev/net/tun |
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| 15:08.49 | petern_ | you can grant CAP_NET_ADMIN to the PHP interpreter if you're really crazy enough to do that |
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| 15:10.09 | WormFood | there are probably better ways to do what you want, other than accessing anything in /dev/net from php |
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| 15:10.29 | plmakes | WormFood, ya the default o/g is root. petern_ this is the first time I heard about it, how I can add this to php? |
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| 15:10.50 | WormFood | plmakes, you don't care if it's secure, right? |
| 15:11.04 | plmakes | WormFood, yes cause its local |
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| 15:11.17 | WormFood | what you're asking for, is like fscking a hooker, without a condom |
| 15:11.19 | petern_ | _any_ php script would have access |
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| 15:12.29 | plmakes | WormFood, Im using php curl curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_INTERFACE, "tun0"); to access openvpn |
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| 15:13.20 | WormFood | there are probably betters ways of doing what you want. |
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| 15:14.13 | plmakes | WormFood, how? there is no other way to connect through vpn in php |
| 15:14.26 | tormen0815__ | Hi. |
| 15:14.29 | WormFood | how do you mean by "connect"? |
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| 15:14.42 | WormFood | I connect to my vpn through any software, by using the right IP |
| 15:15.02 | petern_ | i would've thought the openvpn client connects to the vpn |
| 15:15.07 | petern_ | but hey |
| 15:15.50 | WormFood | of course, the client connects to the server, but my network does not use the vpn unless I specifically direct it through the vpn. |
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| 15:15.57 | nullfaith | You will need to use the gateway provided by your vpn, and your username/pass. Also openvpn is most likely what you would use to connect. |
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| 15:16.26 | WormFood | what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 15:17.17 | plmakes | I need to use php-curl through vpn, simple as it sounds. if I execute php from terminal it works great with tun0 as interface, but not through web (www-data) |
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| 15:19.05 | petern_ | setting CURLOPT_INTERFACE to "tun0" has nothing at all to do with access /dev/net/tun |
| 15:19.49 | nabblet | hi, when playing media (music, video, any kind of player, any kind of source) it loops now and then for less than a second - very annoying :( I backporterd th 3.12 kernel and even the 3.12-rt kernel, no change :( Any ideas what to do next? My laptop is a lenovo ideapad s12 (with intel atom processor) but i don't think it's the hardware/system load since media worked with ubuntu before :/ I had pulse on it and removed it i think, but now and then i see pulse men |
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| 15:20.12 | plmakes | petern_ hm any suggestions how to use tun0 with user www-data |
| 15:20.43 | nabblet | when using mplayer, I see those lines: |
| 15:20.51 | nabblet | Opening audio decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg/libavcodec audio decoders |
| 15:20.51 | nabblet | libavcodec version 53.35.0 (external) |
| 15:20.52 | nabblet | Mismatching header version 53.32.2 |
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| 15:21.35 | WormFood | plmakes, what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 15:21.57 | nabblet | AO: [pulse] Init failed: Connection refused |
| 15:21.57 | nabblet | Failed to initialize audio driver 'pulse' |
| 15:21.58 | nabblet | AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample) |
| 15:22.11 | apm1 | andatche, nice try anadtech your disguise isn't proper we expect benchmarks :p |
| 15:22.37 | plmakes | WormFood, use the tun interface in curl to hide the ip |
| 15:23.09 | armdale | hey i'm looking for a window grid manager sort of like what compiz does with its grid manager. some way that i can map keyboard shorcuts to move windows to different sections of the screen. i looked around and it looks like compiz isn't maintained on debian |
| 15:23.27 | armdale | anyone know of anything that can do the job? |
| 15:24.56 | plmakes | WormFood, http://www.georgiecasey.com/2013/07/26/how-to-use-overplay-and-other-vpns-as-a-curl-proxy/ the problem is, that I can not use tun0 interface as www-data |
| 15:25.49 | nabblet | or is there an other channel more fit for my problem? |
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| 15:27.16 | nabblet | if i do sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio it also wants to remove gnome, gnome-core and others... hm :/ |
| 15:27.43 | plmakes | KERNEL=="tun", MODE="0666", OPTIONS+="static_node=net/tun" permissions set by udev |
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| 15:29.04 | petern_ | again, that's nothing to do with it |
| 15:29.11 | petn-randall | nabblet: That is because 'gnome' is a metapackage that depends on pulseaudio. You have to explicitely select that you want to keep all those other packages. |
| 15:29.39 | plmakes | petern_ with what else? |
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| 15:32.57 | WormFood | curl --interface tun0 http://icanhazip.com doesn't work for me. Without the --interface option it works fine. And my vpn is up and working (I've already tested it, just to make sure) |
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| 15:33.55 | nabblet | petn-randall: if i remove that meta-package, will the actual packages of that meta-package be kept? |
| 15:34.01 | petern_ | yes, that article is bullshit |
| 15:34.09 | petern_ | using --interface only sets the source IP |
| 15:34.14 | petern_ | it doesn't affect how the traffic is routed |
| 15:34.34 | petern_ | the packet will use the source IP, but still go out via the default route |
| 15:34.49 | petern_ | and then most likely get dropped |
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| 15:35.00 | iateadonut | if i've got a server that doesn't allow login by password, how can i do ssh-copy-id for user but login as root? |
| 15:35.20 | petern_ | you can copy the ids manually |
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| 15:36.05 | WormFood | the vpn server would also have to be operating as a masquerading firewall |
| 15:36.17 | nabblet | petn-randall: and in gerenal, removing pulse, are there any chances that this resolves my problem? |
| 15:36.20 | petern_ | most of the comments of that article are saying it doesn't work, too |
| 15:36.52 | WormFood | and my vpn server is doing the masquerade, and it should get the ip of my server....but it does not work, because it does not send out that interface (or whatever it's not doing right) |
| 15:36.56 | iateadonut | petern_, yes indeed, but then you have to mess with permissions, etc. was hoping there was a way with the ssh-copy-id command. |
| 15:37.07 | petern_ | iateadonut, not as far as i know |
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| 15:38.02 | plmakes | petern_ its working for me, the only problem is the ownership of apache2 and php = www-data, as I can not use tun0 as www-data only as root. WormFood, you need to configure your openvpn config to make this work |
| 15:38.04 | petern_ | or you can configuree multiple routing tables and use policy routing to pick the correct one for the traffic you want to go out over the vpn |
| 15:38.21 | petern_ | plmakes, network interfaces don't have permissions like that |
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| 15:38.49 | WormFood | plmakes, I'm pretty sure it's already configured right |
| 15:38.51 | petern_ | and tun0 is a network interface, not a file |
| 15:39.13 | WormFood | I don't need to play silly games, because I also control the vpn server. I don't push but a few routes. my vpn is not my default route. |
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| 15:40.21 | plmakes | the only thing I can do is to create a bridge and route rl0 through tun0, but Im stocking at this |
| 15:40.40 | WormFood | but I like the icanhazip site....much more useful than all the other sites trying to sell me something when they tell me my ip |
| 15:41.00 | WormFood | I can't make it work as that page describes |
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| 15:41.59 | plmakes | WormFood, route-nopull |
| 15:42.11 | WormFood | plmakes, I don't need that shit |
| 15:42.17 | WormFood | my vpn is not my default route |
| 15:42.21 | kRush | what kind of hd manufacturer math is required for 22756 KB == 32MB? oO |
| 15:42.56 | WormFood | kRush, it's not the math, it's the suffix |
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| 15:43.09 | WormFood | they've redefined the meaning of the units of measure |
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| 15:43.27 | WormFood | it's like if hard drives were measuring miles, they'd say 5 inches is one mile |
| 15:44.01 | kRush | but it does not compute in any definition of KB/KiB |
| 15:44.15 | WormFood | they just make up this shit as they go along |
| 15:44.18 | petern_ | What kind of HD manufacturer is making 32MB disks? |
| 15:44.24 | WormFood | it's close enough |
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| 15:44.36 | kRush | it's the buffer size obviously petern_ |
| 15:44.44 | petern_ | Obviously. |
| 15:44.45 | WormFood | I have a 32 meg disk...usb flash |
| 15:44.47 | petern_ | (Not it wasn't) |
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| 15:45.36 | petern_ | Could've been a very old drive... |
| 15:45.48 | WormFood | I still have a 10 meg drive, back in usa |
| 15:45.54 | WormFood | it worked, last time I booted it |
| 15:46.16 | WormFood | that was back in 2005....I remember, because the date said 1905 |
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| 15:47.22 | WormFood | http://wormfood.net/old_computers/osk-screenshot.jpg <-- this was booted from floppy, not the 10 meg disk, but it's the same system....after not being powered on for many years, the RTC still kept the right time/date |
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| 15:48.47 | lroe | Does anyone see anything wrong with this rsyslog rule: http://paste.debian.net/79479/ For some reason the host is still logging to /var/log/syslog |
| 15:48.51 | petern_ | Cool. Never heard of OS-9, heh. |
| 15:48.59 | WormFood | I also have a 20 meg ide drive, that has some special 8-bit mode, so it can be used in an XT, or something like that. |
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| 15:49.26 | petn-randall | nabblet: It could fix your problem, hard to say. aptitude will automatically mark those packages as "to remove", which is why you have to manually mark them as installed. I think apt-get doesn't automatically remove them. |
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| 15:49.59 | WormFood | OS-9 is a muti-user, multi-tasking real-time OS. I used it a LOT back in the mid-late 1980s to early-mid 1990s....Some told me, back in '92 or '93 that Linux is more like OS-9, than Unix |
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| 15:50.20 | WormFood | after that, I started paying attention to Linux, and installed my first Linux system in '95 |
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| 15:51.44 | WormFood | one of the really great things about OS-9, is the fact that you can have 20 people, all running firefox (for example, of course firefox was never developed for that system, but if it was....), then only one copy of the firefox executable would be loaded into ram, and everyone would execute the same program, but with their own data (that put special requirements on the software, like not being self-modifying) |
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| 15:52.38 | nabblet | petn-randall: ok, thank you |
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| 15:54.02 | WormFood | 新年快乐 Happy Chinese New Year. This is the Year of the Whores....er, I mean, Horse. |
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| 15:57.24 | plmakes | WormFood, is there any way to make tun0 accessable to other users other than root? |
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| 15:57.47 | WormFood | should be as simple as changing the owner/group |
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| 15:58.25 | plmakes | WormFood, changing the group in openvpn? |
| 15:58.45 | WormFood | petern_, if you want to see the hardware that runs that OS-9, just browse that directory on my web server. The computer was built from a kit. Bare circuit board. |
| 15:58.52 | WormFood | perhaps plmakes |
| 15:58.56 | jhutchins | Why would users be writing to a network device? |
| 15:59.20 | WormFood | jhutchins, because he read some page somewhere that told him to do that |
| 15:59.27 | plmakes | lol |
| 15:59.31 | WormFood | we told him it isn't what he wants to do |
| 16:00.05 | plmakes | as I told you already dat shit is working, I can bypass the ownership with sudo sh, but that is a dirty solution |
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| 16:02.52 | plmakes | #!/usr/bin/php Array ( [0] => root [1] => _proxyIP_ ) :P WormFood but only if I execute php as root with bash |
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| 16:03.14 | WormFood | then run apache as root |
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| 16:03.44 | WormFood | I can strongly recommend against that |
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| 16:04.30 | rozie | apache as root? can I have IP? ;) |
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| 16:30.28 | Aliekzhi_ | Hi, I have a real problem to my wifi using wicd...It walways fail with any wifi card on "obtaining ip adress" or "checking passwd"...I used the same card on another computer with the same card and same wicd config and it works...Any idea ? |
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| 16:31.08 | Aliekzhi_ | (if you need specific logs, please tell me) |
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| 16:31.21 | jorb | i'm trying to set up lvm across two physical disks.. is this possible w/o raid? |
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| 16:31.39 | jorb | and perhaps using the debian installer is not a good way to do it?? isn't giving me the option |
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| 16:32.27 | mtn | Aliekzhi_: does the second computer have the same version of mint? |
| 16:32.38 | WormFood | mint? |
| 16:33.00 | mtn | WormFood: oops |
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| 16:33.27 | mtn | Aliekzhi_: same version of debian, of course |
| 16:33.46 | mtn | WormFood: that is a whereami moment (or a senior moment) |
| 16:34.20 | Aliekzhi_ | mtn, no, gentoo on the one who works (it's not a troll) |
| 16:34.38 | Aliekzhi_ | so not same version of wicd/other things |
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| 16:35.44 | mtn | Aliekzhi_: what network card/chip and driver? |
| 16:35.54 | Aliekzhi_ | I have a lot of "warning" and "fail" on the boot but I don't really have time to read them |
| 16:35.57 | Aliekzhi_ | seems linked |
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| 16:36.05 | Aliekzhi_ | mtn, ipw2100 |
| 16:36.09 | WormFood | mtn, you know, they say the first two signs of old age, are a lost of memory and....uh...I forget the other one. |
| 16:36.17 | WormFood | lost=loss |
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| 16:36.21 | mtn | WormFood: indeed :) |
| 16:36.23 | Aliekzhi_ | mtn, Intel pro wireless lan 2100 |
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| 16:37.12 | Aliekzhi_ | where can I see the logs of the messages I see at boot ? |
| 16:37.19 | WormFood | dmesg |
| 16:37.26 | mtn | Aliekzhi_: one thing is that gentoo will be using a much newer kernel. |
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| 16:37.29 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:38.08 | Aliekzhi_ | WormFood, thx |
| 16:38.32 | Aliekzhi_ | I have a lot of "ADDRCONF (NETDEV_UP) : eth2 link is not ready" |
| 16:38.50 | Aliekzhi_ | mtn, yes but those drivers even in really older kernel were working |
| 16:38.57 | Aliekzhi_ | mtn, it just stopped working one day |
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| 16:39.26 | mtn | Aliekzhi_: oh, that really sounds like a config problem or a bad card? |
| 16:40.14 | sirderigo | greetings people: I am trying to create a debian chroot inside my edubuntu ltsp server but i keep on getting this error msg about locale-gen being missing: chroot: fallo al ejecutar la orden «locale-gen»: No such file or directory |
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| 16:41.02 | Aliekzhi_ | mtn, well that card was working until a few updates which seems to make things broken |
| 16:41.20 | mtn | Aliekzhi_: running stable? |
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| 16:42.30 | Aliekzhi_ | mtn, no, testing |
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| 16:42.55 | mtn | Aliekzhi_: ah, probably best to go to #debian-next on oftc.net |
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| 16:43.59 | ghost75 | since when cifs mounts are working as host:/share instead of //host/share |
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| 16:45.08 | Aliekzhi_ | mtn, well thx, but the testing channel is not really populated... |
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| 16:45.52 | Aliekzhi_ | mtn, testing is like out of the topic here ? |
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| 17:10.27 | jhutchins | Aliekzhi_: Have you tried using network-manager instead? |
| 17:10.52 | jhutchins | Aliekzhi_: No, it's just that most of the experience here is with stable. |
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| 17:11.07 | jhutchins | Aliekzhi_: Testing is expected to be broken. |
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| 17:25.43 | plmakes | WormFood, petern_ anyway thanks for you help |
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| 17:35.13 | koell | why do some people choose ext2/ext3 for their /home partition? which one should i use for /home? |
| 17:35.20 | koell | does it matter? |
| 17:35.34 | ksk | koell: not really. choose ext4 :P |
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| 17:36.02 | koell | ksk: ok great |
| 17:36.03 | jhutchins | koell: 2 is pretty much obsolete, significantly more fragile than 3 or 4. |
| 17:36.05 | petn-randall | koell: Choose ext2 if you want to loose data, and ext3 if you're old school. |
| 17:36.28 | koell | okey :) |
| 17:36.32 | jhutchins | koell: 4 is particularly good for large files and large filesystems. |
| 17:37.07 | koell | jhutchins: so i've no advantages if i choose ext3. maybe speed or performance? |
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| 17:37.36 | ksk | Id guess its safe to assume that you will have more performance with newer verisons of a filesystem |
| 17:37.51 | ksk | or less problems. |
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| 17:40.10 | petn-randall | koell: No. Choose ext4. |
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| 17:41.05 | gregf | rebooted on my debian-jessie machine today and when I do startx I get the following. API mismatch: the nvidia kernel module has version 319.81, but this nvidia drive component has version 319.76. I tried removing the nvidia drivers and reinstalling, but still seeing the same error. |
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| 17:43.34 | petn-randall | gregf: jessie is supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:43.35 | jhutchins | koell: It used to be assumed that the earlier 3 was leaner and more efficient, having been developed on more primitive hardware, but 4 is proving to perform well, perhaps even better in most cases. |
| 17:43.58 | gregf | petn-randall: thanks |
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| 17:44.45 | koell | jhutchins: yea i've seen a few people choosing it and was weird why they do this |
| 17:44.48 | petn-randall | jhutchins: ext4 outperforms ext3 in *any* scenaria, because it's backwards compatible and feature things like extents, which just make certain operations faster. Anything that ext3 can do, ext4 can do just as good or better. |
| 17:45.00 | jhutchins | Shocking that nvidia wouldn't be rushing to have the latest driver for an unreleased version! |
| 17:45.01 | petn-randall | s/scenaria/scenario/ |
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| 17:45.57 | jhutchins | koell: Up until about the last year it could be hard to get all of the utilities and support programs for 4, but that's no longer the case at all. |
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| 17:46.30 | jhutchins | koell: As will all things linux, assumptions and rumors that might have once been true will persist for ages. |
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| 17:51.06 | petn-randall | The only reason to use ext3 is that you can use your rescue disks from 2001 to fix it. |
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| 17:52.46 | jelly | ext4 still has a bit more bugs |
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| 17:54.28 | petn-randall | There are plans to replace the ext3 kernel module with the ext4 one, so I guess at least kernel wise they'll be the same. |
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| 17:58.20 | sphenxes | http://pastebin.com/E8fT0u6N . I am trying a simple bash script to store grep command output to a variable. any suggestion please |
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| 18:07.19 | ChibaPet | sphenxes: It looks like you're coping PDFs with a title to files named for the title line of the pdfinfo output. |
| 18:07.23 | ChibaPet | copying* |
| 18:07.34 | xtalmath | hi I have lightdm and xfce4 installed, is it possible to prevent x from starting? |
| 18:08.07 | xtalmath | in a way without uninstalling lightdm, xfce4 |
| 18:08.09 | ChibaPet | xtalmath: man update-rc.d |
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| 18:09.34 | xtalmath | ChibaPet: but how do I know which one to deinstall ? |
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| 18:10.47 | tonph | hi just stuck with micromax 3g MMX377G with my debian 64 bit wheezy - any help ! please |
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| 18:11.01 | ChibaPet | xtalmath: You said you don't want to deinstall any of them, so, use the tool to inhibit lightdm. |
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| 18:11.29 | ChibaPet | tonph: Could you be more explicit please? |
| 18:11.35 | xtalmath | yeah I meant remove with update-rc, so if I remove lightdm there, it will not start x at all? |
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| 18:12.00 | tonph | I installed the driver from the driver in side the modem and the 3g_connect.sh is also installed, now as per the direction the listing of /dev/tty* does no show my USB0...bla bla |
| 18:12.34 | ChibaPet | xtalmath: Correct. |
| 18:12.36 | tonph | ChibaPet: Thanks for the concern first, I am trying to use mu 3g modem in my debain 64 bit wheezy OS. |
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| 18:13.35 | tonph | But am not able to detect the modem itself i think - not able to see the ttyUSB0, ttyUSB1 etc in the command #ls /dev/tty* |
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| 18:14.21 | tonph | So was wandering, how to use my this modem in my debian... any one has any know how please do share so |
| 18:14.44 | ChibaPet | tonph: I see a guide for that for Ubuntu. It's possible following the same or similar steps will work for you: http://code-cocktail.in/micromax-3g-datacard-mmx377g-installation-ubuntu/ |
| 18:14.57 | ChibaPet | Does that match what you've done so far? |
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| 18:15.31 | ChibaPet | Also, after installing the software, did you unplug/replug? It's useful to watch a tail of dmesg while doing so. |
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| 18:16.02 | ChibaPet | It's also possible that the Ubuntu software won't actually work with Debian. I don't have the device here to pick apart the package they provide. |
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| 18:16.16 | tonph | ChibaPet: Yeah the ubuntu version works well , i tried on my dual boot ... but trying the same here in wheezy 64 bit does not show me the ttyUSB listing which is the argument to 3g_connect.sh util. To note , my ubuntu is 32 bit OS.. |
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| 18:16.56 | str3 | >implying debian isn't a rubbishOS |
| 18:16.58 | tonph | ChibaPet: let me do the dmessg tail.. |
| 18:17.16 | ChibaPet | tonph: tail -f /var/log/messages should show you what's happening during insertion. |
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| 18:17.57 | tonph | ChibaPet: ok let me check that |
| 18:18.06 | ChibaPet | str3: Note that he has no problem with it working under Ubuntu. Please reserve OS jingoism for moments when we've identified something where Debian isn't underperforming compared with Ubuntu. :P |
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| 18:19.09 | str3 | ChibaPet: i just wanted to incite an OS flamewar |
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| 18:19.42 | ChibaPet | str3: Sure, just saying... |
| 18:19.55 | str3 | seriously tho arch > debian |
| 18:19.58 | str3 | how is it even a debate |
| 18:20.07 | str3 | ;-) |
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| 18:20.52 | lroe | Does anyone see anything wrong with this rsyslog rule: http://paste.debian.net/79479/ For some reason the host is still logging to /var/log/syslog |
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| 18:21.17 | ChibaPet | tonph: The odd bit from my perspective is that USB serial devices generally ought to show up without additional drivers, as I understand it. I'm not sure where Linux keeps its model and vendor tables, but I imagine that if it doesn't attach to ttyUSB*, you might be able to find some way with udev to match the vendor and device strings and force an attach. I'm not sure off the top of my head how to do this. |
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| 18:24.04 | Incentive | are there any partition managers that support resizing LUKS? |
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| 18:24.34 | Incentive | I just need to enlarge a partition to the right, but it looks as if the procedure is, well, questionable.. deleting partition table and bodging in a bigger one then hoping it all goes ok |
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| 18:26.41 | ChibaPet | lroe: So, all I can see that might be is is that property names are case sensitive. What version of Debian are you running? |
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| 18:26.54 | lroe | ChibaPet, wheezy |
| 18:27.11 | ChibaPet | lroe: I don't see fromhost-ip as being an available property in the man page. I do see FROMHOST, all caps, as being a property. |
| 18:27.32 | ChibaPet | Incentive: I've been curious about that myself, and I haven't found anything that seems reasonable yet. |
| 18:28.01 | Incentive | yeah |
| 18:28.06 | lroe | ChibaPet, I was using this as a reference: http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/property_replacer.html |
| 18:28.09 | ChibaPet | lroe: man rsyslog.conf and check out the "Available Properties" section. |
| 18:28.10 | Incentive | my issue is that I have too much data to back up |
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| 18:28.30 | Incentive | the only solution I can think of at present is to just make another luks partition in the free space and use both |
| 18:28.56 | Incentive | because otherwise I risk wiping my data.. it's not 'mission critical' so I don't normally keep backups, but it would be pretty annoying to lose it trying to resize |
| 18:29.01 | ChibaPet | lroe: Very likely that's talking about a newer version than what we've got. Honestly, the version of rsyslog that Debian ships is horribly, horribly gimped. I was unable to attach rulesets for different transports last time I tried to do anything fancy, for instance. |
| 18:29.33 | ChibaPet | Incentive: "Too much data to back up" is never valid. You always want a back-up, and having one, the process becomes slow but easy. |
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| 18:29.50 | Incentive | chibapet: put it this way |
| 18:30.15 | tonph | netwrk was disconnected... for smtime |
| 18:30.23 | Incentive | I can recover the data set from the internet, it's just things like linux isos, freely available music, that sort of thing |
| 18:30.35 | lroe | ChibaPet, wouldn't it complain when it tried to parse it? |
| 18:30.36 | frostschutz | Incentive, making a luks partition larger is really not a problem whatsoever. |
| 18:30.39 | Incentive | but downloading it all again would take weeks :P |
| 18:30.56 | frostschutz | Incentive, ...if you have room at the end :) |
| 18:31.08 | Incentive | all of my 'needed' data that I couldn't remake is backed up multiple times :P |
| 18:31.16 | tonph | I can see the dongle get connected to my debian - but i m not able to figure the param for my $3g_connect.sh [this arg] |
| 18:31.20 | ChibaPet | lroe: I have no faith in the software, and it certainly failed silently with the transport-based rules I tried. I think I even opened a bug about it at one point, and the maintainer noted that the Wheezy version just doesn't do what I needed. Jessie's version did. |
| 18:31.26 | Incentive | frostschutz, the only solution I can find looks like I have to hack the partition table with fdisk |
| 18:31.41 | Incentive | frostschutz, do you have another way? :P |
| 18:31.45 | Incentive | and yes, room at the end |
| 18:31.51 | frostschutz | Incentive, I prefer parted. what's your 'parted /dev/disk unit s print free' look like? |
| 18:32.07 | ChibaPet | alright, off to lunch - good luck with the various woes and annoyances, all! |
| 18:32.25 | Aliekzhi_ | very strange...3 different results with aptitude, apt-get and synaptic... |
| 18:32.40 | frostschutz | Incentive, sfdisk is also nice for msdos partitions. you can sfdisk -d /dev/disk > my-partition-table.txt, make a copy of that, edit the copy, and sfdisk /dev/disk < my-new-partitions.txt |
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| 18:33.24 | tonph | any help on setting up MMX377G modem on debian 64 wheezy ? |
| 18:33.38 | Aliekzhi_ | is it better to use apt-get than aptitude ? |
| 18:33.56 | frostschutz | Incentive, also, which cipher are you using? aes-xts-plain repeats after 2T, so it's better to switch to aes-xts-plain64 before making it that large |
| 18:34.03 | lroe | ChibaPet, do you know if the 'FROMHOST' using the actual IP the syslog server sees the message coming from, or the ip of the port the sending server uses, or some other possibility i haven't thought of? |
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| 18:34.36 | Incentive | frostschutz, installing parted. sec |
| 18:34.51 | Incentive | I have a ~600G primary luks partition and then 400G of free space after it. |
| 18:35.00 | tonph | :( |
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| 18:35.48 | Incentive | frostschutz, http://paste.debian.net/79527/ |
| 18:35.55 | Nahwa | Hey, guys. When compiling openssl and openssh from source (latest versions), openssh sees both the old headers (indicated by findssl.sh) and the new. If you symlink them, or remove the old ones, things start to break (e.g. nslookup, nginx, other things); no version information available message |
| 18:36.19 | Nahwa | This can, afterwards, be remedied through apt-get remove libssl1.0.0 apt-get install libssl1.0.0, but this recreates the old headers which isn't really something I want |
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| 18:37.25 | Incentive | http://morecode.wordpress.com/2012/01/05/increasing-the-size-of-a-luks-cryptfs-partition-2/ |
| 18:37.40 | Incentive | this looks essentially like a guide to what I want to achieve, however there is no explanation of the fdisk part |
| 18:37.45 | Incentive | which is the bit I'm not comfortable with :P |
| 18:37.47 | Nahwa | any ideas? i know i can compile openssl with it's prefix somewhere else and compile things one by one to use the new openssh headers |
| 18:37.58 | Nahwa | but i'd really really prefer that everything use the new version |
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| 18:42.33 | frostschutz | Incentive, parted /dev/sdb rm 1 mkpart primary 2048s 100% |
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| 18:42.47 | Incentive | also, cipher type: |
| 18:42.53 | Incentive | cipher: aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 |
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| 18:46.13 | Incentive | frostschutz, ah, great. now I have a ~1TB partition with the volume inside as 600GB. seems like just cryptsetup resize from here on |
| 18:46.14 | Incentive | thanks |
| 18:47.38 | frostschutz | Incentive, cryptsetup resize is not necessary |
| 18:47.49 | Incentive | yes,realised that it's already been done :p |
| 18:48.03 | frostschutz | that's for cryptsetup on LV only, device that change their size dynamically at run time |
| 18:48.26 | frostschutz | with traditional partitions you have to umount, luksClose, re-read partition table, luksopen, ... |
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| 18:51.45 | Alexus0 | HI |
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| 18:52.14 | Incentive | all done |
| 18:52.19 | Incentive | thanks frostschutz |
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| 18:53.01 | Alexus0 | Hi, If i want to install debian as my desktop |
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| 19:05.39 | plmakes | Pass completed, 1549632 bad blocks found. (1549632/0/0 errors) oh shit :D |
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| 19:10.16 | jhutchins | plmakes: Not necessarily a problem. |
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| 19:16.01 | ugly | hi, I'm having trouble allowing users to change their expired Kerberos passwords - it simply fails to authenticate them rather than prompting them to change their pw - what do I have to configure in PAM? |
| 19:16.11 | ugly | right now, in common-password, I have: password [success=2 default=ignore] pam_krb5.so minimum_uid=1000 try_first_pass use_authtok |
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| 19:16.38 | ugly | google is proving surprisingly uncooperative :) |
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| 19:18.47 | ugly | ah, nevermind, it's the ChallengeResponseAuthentication option in sshd_config |
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| 19:20.21 | fsf-free | debian repo is giving me erros |
| 19:20.32 | fsf-free | which main repos do you suggest / recommend ? |
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| 19:21.29 | jelly-home | fsf-free: which debian release are you using? |
| 19:21.43 | fsf-free | 7.3 |
| 19:21.54 | wols | !tell fsf-free about wheezy sources.list |
| 19:21.55 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell fsf-free about wheezy sources.list |
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| 19:23.04 | fsf-free | jelly-home, i ve these only |
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| 19:27.10 | hochmeister | de in debian/rules, or how can I do this? |
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| 19:28.52 | fsf-free | so what is up ? |
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| 19:29.05 | fsf-free | jelly-home, I applied it .. its updating lets see |
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| 19:35.35 | Guest__ | hi, I'm trying to install kernel 3.12 from backports but I"m getting a disk does not exist error on reboot. The UUID however is the same for all grub.cfg entries |
| 19:36.04 | Guest__ | anyone have any luck install kernel 3.12 from backports on wheezy? |
| 19:36.47 | buckfast | vlc does not disable screensaver during playback although proper boxes have been checked in the options (debian stable). Is there a way to fix this? |
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| 19:41.46 | ChibaPet | lroe: You might need to actually read the source to find out, or experiment - it seems from the wording like it's a symbolic hostname, not a dotted quad at all. |
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| 19:43.44 | adkins | hey guys, i have a lenovo thinkpad t540 with NVIDIA NVS 5400M. If i switch in bios to discrete xrandr -q gives me several outputs. if i reboot optimus mode is enabled automatically. is that normal? why is that? however: can i switch between integrated,discrete and optimus mode in running system without changing it in bios? |
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| 19:52.45 | iio7 | I have just upgraded a box from sqeeze to wheezy. I now am halted at "grub rescue" with "error: symbol not found: 'grub_divmod64_full'" |
| 19:53.01 | iio7 | How do I solve that? |
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| 19:54.32 | wissam | Hi , any one use solydk here ? |
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| 20:02.39 | Mr_Queue | adkins: seen this? http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki |
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| 20:04.03 | adkins | Mr_Queue: no, thanks ;) |
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| 20:04.29 | wols | !tell adkins about bumblebee |
| 20:04.36 | jl- | so if I were to print a poster with debian source code, say 100.000 characters, what would be considered to be the heart/core of debian? not the linux kernel, I'd like it to be more debian specific |
| 20:04.51 | Mr_Queue | apt |
| 20:04.56 | Mr_Queue | or dpkg |
| 20:05.01 | jl- | hmm |
| 20:05.08 | abailarri | Hello. I configured bind9 on my server to be a DNS server for 2 domains. For a. Net has worked for me, but for a .es Not. Anyone suggestion please? |
| 20:05.10 | Mr_Queue | That's how it made the map... Package management. |
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| 20:05.47 | Mr_Queue | abailarri: That registrar could required a pair of IP's in a different C class. |
| 20:05.53 | Mr_Queue | I don't know about it. |
| 20:06.10 | Mr_Queue | Columbia is like that. |
| 20:06.11 | jl- | Mr_Queue: is debian's apt any different than, say ubuntu |
| 20:06.22 | abailarri | Mr_Queue, I don't understant you |
| 20:06.26 | Mr_Queue | jl-: Yep. |
| 20:06.26 | jl- | s/than/then |
| 20:06.29 | centrx | jl-, Possible either ideas: package build tools, the archive/key system which enables thousands of developers to collaborate across the world |
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| 20:06.49 | jl- | that would be cool |
| 20:07.26 | centrx | jl-, Ubuntu is a derivative of Debian, so if you are looking for some software that no other distro has, that is unlikely, since any other distro can copy it |
| 20:07.41 | centrx | jl-, There are many Debian derivatives - because it was the original excellent distribution |
| 20:07.44 | jl- | centrx: can you link me the achive/key system on git |
| 20:08.49 | centrx | jl-, I don't know where it is, or even it would be unique, I am doing a cursory look now |
| 20:08.56 | jhutchins | abailarri: Are you using this asn an internal DNS or is this public? |
| 20:09.04 | centrx | jl-, Part of it is of course gpg, there are many things unique to Debian that are not "source code" |
| 20:09.04 | abailarri | public |
| 20:09.15 | jl- | hmm |
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| 20:09.32 | jhutchins | abailarri: I know there will be some info in the logs if you restart the server that may explain what the problem is. |
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| 20:09.58 | jhutchins | abailarri: I think you can turn up the log level in the main config file and that might help. |
| 20:10.05 | hyper_ch | hmmm, is there a chance that current stable will get OpenSSH 6.5? |
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| 20:10.39 | jl- | centrx: what about debian's apt code, is that available on github? |
| 20:10.58 | jhutchins | jl-: The apt software is the same base code, but it has some different tweaks between Debian and Ubuntu (and other derivatives). The main differences are the repositories and how they're managed. |
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| 20:11.35 | jhutchins | hyper_ch: Only if there's a significant bug or security fix in it. |
| 20:11.53 | jhutchins | hyper_ch: If there is a spectacular new feature it might show up in backports. |
| 20:12.00 | jhutchins | ,version openssh |
| 20:12.01 | judd | No package named 'openssh' was found in i386. |
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| 20:12.14 | jhutchins | ,version OpenSSH |
| 20:12.15 | hyper_ch | jhutchins: significant bug: current encryption standards used might have been backdoored by the NSA and 6.5 includes all of DJBs stuff? |
| 20:12.16 | judd | No package named 'OpenSSH' was found in i386. |
| 20:12.17 | jl- | jhutchins: indeed, debian uses repositories that are older but considered more stable |
| 20:12.27 | jl- | now if I could have the code somewhere handily |
| 20:12.59 | jhutchins | ,version openssh-server |
| 20:13.00 | judd | Package: openssh-server on i386 -- squeeze: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze4; wheezy: 1:6.0p1-4; wheezy-backports: 1:6.4p1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:6.4p1-2; sid: 1:6.4p1-2 |
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| 20:14.18 | jhutchins | hyper_ch: Securing a system against the NSA is beyond the scope of the Debian maintainers, I doubt that will be a consideration. |
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| 20:14.45 | hyper_ch | jhutchins: also minimum keylengths have been raised to 2048bit |
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| 20:15.27 | jhutchins | hyper_ch: If these things worry you, why are you using binary packages in the first place? |
| 20:15.31 | jl- | hyper_ch: is there a ticket for that bug, lol |
| 20:15.34 | hyper_ch | jhutchins: it's a concern when the elliptic curves currently in use might have been weakened |
| 20:15.55 | jl- | "bug" |
| 20:16.03 | hyper_ch | just curious.... one might consider 6.5 a security fix :) |
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| 20:16.15 | hyper_ch | http://www.openssh.org/txt/release-6.5 |
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| 20:17.34 | dn4 | ok this document viewer I have up has a pdf I want to have read a chapter; what do I get for that? |
| 20:17.58 | zinx | hyper_ch: figured most stuff wasn't using ECC yet |
| 20:18.00 | dn4 | I want to have the chapter read; text to voice synthizer |
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| 20:20.05 | zinx | jl-: re your earlier question, Debian is definitely more about the community than anything, would try to find something related to that |
| 20:20.09 | hyper_ch | zinx: openssh has been avant-garde before.... |
| 20:21.20 | hyper_ch | e.g. using forward security with dh for key exchange |
| 20:21.22 | zinx | hyper_ch: do you use a ecdsa key with it? :/ |
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| 20:22.52 | hyper_ch | zinx: not yet |
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| 20:26.22 | jhutchins | dn4: Gnome has some text-to-speech tools. |
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| 20:27.36 | dn4 | jhutchins: what are those called? |
| 20:27.44 | jhutchins | dn4: http://blends.debian.org/accessibility/tasks/speechsynthesis |
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| 20:30.22 | centrx | jl-, How is it going |
| 20:30.44 | sphenxes | http://pastebin.com/8nxHQpuu. any suggestion please |
| 20:30.58 | dn4 | jhutchins: thanks |
| 20:31.02 | sphenxes | bash script |
| 20:31.05 | centrx | jl-, http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.9.15.tar.xz |
| 20:32.17 | hyper_ch | in bash you should use [[ ]] |
| 20:32.18 | jl- | centrx: ohai |
| 20:32.19 | jl- | thx |
| 20:33.05 | hyper_ch | also line 32 should better be count=$((count + 1)) |
| 20:33.05 | centrx | jl-, There is also dpkg, any package source is available from packages.debian.org/<package name> and then on the right hand column look for "Download Source Package" |
| 20:33.16 | hyper_ch | line 30 is not quoted |
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| 20:33.17 | jl- | awesome |
| 20:33.19 | jl- | than you sir |
| 20:33.26 | hyper_ch | neither line 24 |
| 20:33.33 | hyper_ch | and 13 |
| 20:33.38 | hyper_ch | etc :) |
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| 20:33.52 | hyper_ch | sphenxes: all for you :) |
| 20:33.53 | centrx | jl-, Also, another idea is using old versions from 1995 or something might have interesting tidbits in the source code |
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| 20:34.49 | centrx | jl-, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Timeline |
| 20:35.24 | sphenxes | hyper_ch, thanks a lot |
| 20:35.28 | jl- | centrx: yes that certainly would be interesting, maybe even the very first version |
| 20:35.34 | jl- | buzz, I suppose |
| 20:35.44 | hyper_ch | sid will be called jessie :) |
| 20:36.54 | centrx | jl-, http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian/dists/ |
| 20:37.04 | hyper_ch | sphenxes: just a few things I picked up from #bash :) |
| 20:37.10 | hyper_ch | sphenxes: I screw up often enough also :) |
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| 20:38.55 | sphenxes | hyper_ch, I think i can never get it working before at least 10 corrections |
| 20:39.16 | hyper_ch | sphenxes: only 10? |
| 20:39.57 | hyper_ch | off to bed... dead tired |
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| 20:41.42 | sphenxes | hyper_ch, 10 revision (of 10 correction each) |
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| 20:49.08 | aleksander | Do you have any idea why .xsessionrc may not be launched at every XFCE login in Debian Sid installed from Debian XFCE CD? |
| 20:49.27 | aleksander | It comes at goes and I can't find any serious pattern |
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| 20:57.11 | abrotman | aleksander: wrong file |
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| 20:59.31 | aleksander | abrotman, well, I used wiki - in what file should I keep my trackpoint's configuration? |
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| 21:03.15 | ChibaPet | aleksander: You generally want either .xsession or .xinitrc - it's not called .xsessionrc |
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| 21:05.03 | nounch | Hello. I am not sure about two not Debian-specific topics, but I would still like to hear the Debian view on them. i) Is there a (Debian-specific) way to speed up copying (`cp', not `rsync') for copying heterogenous directory hierarchies (large files intermixed with small ones) without relying onc compression? |
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| 21:05.33 | centrx | nounch, Not a Debian-specific way, no I doubt it |
| 21:05.35 | nounch | Slapping in more physical memory is always the best option, of course. |
| 21:05.55 | centrx | nounch, Unless you are referring to the distribution of packages |
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| 21:06.56 | nounch | centrx: No, not package-specific, just user directories. I was poking and reading around if there were further Debian-specific cache limits or locks, but could not find anything. |
| 21:07.28 | centrx | nounch, You can look at the Debian-specific alterations to the kernel package(s) |
| 21:07.39 | centrx | nounch, But I doubt there is much of significance |
| 21:08.35 | nounch | centrx: Yeah, I doubt that too since the out-of-the-box `cp' is not relying on Kernel specifics as far as I know. |
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| 21:08.57 | dondelelcaro | nounch: you'll basically run into the underlying file system and IO system limits pretty quickly, which is pretty much dependent on the kernel and your hardware |
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| 21:10.25 | nounch | dondelelcaro: Now that you are putting it that way, I have to agree that it in fact *is* Kernel-dependent from that perspective, but in the end I am stuck with Kernel that I am currently using. |
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| 21:11.26 | nounch | Are there any other speed increasers common sense-wise (killing other IO-heavy/memory-intense processes etc.)? |
| 21:11.46 | centrx | nounch, What are you doing exactly? |
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| 21:12.46 | dondelelcaro | nounch: you should basically look at iotop. It's possible that things are going about as fast as they can, and there's nothing you can do about it. |
| 21:12.51 | nounch | centrx: I am backing up a user's home directory (~70GB) to an external HDD (via USB) - while still running other processes. |
| 21:13.13 | centrx | nounch, Yeah, just do it :) |
| 21:13.29 | centrx | nounch, It could be faster to compress the contents first before copying, depending on the speed of the USB connection |
| 21:13.34 | nounch | centrx: It takes forever, though. |
| 21:13.56 | centrx | nounch, Is this a repeated process? |
| 21:14.26 | nounch | dondelelcaro: Yeah, I'm constantly glancing at `iotop' (and constantly wondering if there was a more usable alternative). |
| 21:14.57 | centrx | nounch, You can pipe the zip output directly to the external drive |
| 21:15.13 | centrx | nounch, gzip is the fastest compression, so probably the best choice |
| 21:15.23 | dondelelcaro | nounch: it may just be the speed of the usb bus; unless it's USB 3.0, it's generally pretty dang slow. |
| 21:15.38 | ghostlines | update-grub2 doesn't seem to remove non existant kernel image entries, should I just manually remove the entries? |
| 21:15.50 | nounch | I am also double-checking with `watch -n 0.1 du -sh /mnt/sdb1/path/to/home/username', but it only shows `XXGB', not `XX.XXXGB'. |
| 21:16.18 | nounch | dondelelcaro: Unfortunately, it is not USB 3.0. |
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| 21:17.29 | nounch | centrx: However, I did specifically point out that I do not wish to compress anything, so neither gzip nor tar are real options, unfortunetly. |
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| 21:17.45 | centrx | oh |
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| 21:18.10 | Incentive | which parts of the filesystem do non-root users generally have access to? |
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| 21:18.26 | Incentive | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:19.21 | nounch | Incentive: Do not forget any other partition or file system that is specified with user-specific mount privileges. |
| 21:19.31 | rryoumaa | Incentive: most of it |
| 21:19.34 | Incentive | nounch: sure. |
| 21:19.39 | rryoumaa | some files are non-writable some non-readable |
| 21:19.40 | grep0r | Incentive, depens your partitions yeah |
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| 21:20.04 | Incentive | essentially I want to encrypt my filesystem, but leave parts that are unnecessary out for performance |
| 21:20.21 | Incentive | since i'm not overly concerned if an attacker obtains the list of binaries I have installed for example |
| 21:21.16 | centrx | Incentive, Probably just leave /usr out of the encryption then. |
| 21:21.46 | centrx | Incentive, /home contains user info. /var contains logs, databases, other things. /etc/ contains configuration information |
| 21:22.13 | nounch | Incentive: Unless you are using the binaries for the act of aforementioned encrypting itself that might in fact not be a security risk. |
| 21:22.27 | centrx | Incentive, http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#THEROOTFILESYSTEM |
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| 21:24.40 | Incentive | ah, I see now. thanks centrx |
| 21:25.01 | grep0r | Incentive, problem is not someone know what you have installed but who has and what type of access on 'em tbh. |
| 21:25.15 | Incentive | I had thought that _all_ user config was located in /home and that only root had access to the other folders, for use when packages are installed, etc |
| 21:25.23 | nounch | OK, since I pretty much seem to be stuck with the slow `cp' process, here is my other question: ii) What are the exact implications of keeping a frequently used home directory on an external (USB) disk and mounting it with an according `/etc/fstab' entry? Will it slow things down dramatically (Any experience?)? |
| 21:25.31 | Incentive | I think I'll just go with encrypting the whole lot |
| 21:26.09 | Incentive | nounch: that likely depends on your usb disk, there are very fast ones available now |
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| 21:26.25 | Incentive | i'm not sure how, say, the fastest usb3 ssd competes with a hdd |
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| 21:27.18 | nounch | Incentive: Assume the worst: a slow non-USB 3.0, slightly aged non-SSD one. |
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| 21:28.32 | nounch | Simple file storage should not be the main concern, but running a development server with a test DB from the HDD and logging to it while having other processes write to it and read configs from there is more of an IO issue. |
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| 21:28.59 | ppm | can i install debian old releases (like 1.1 buzz) on kvm or some other emulators? |
| 21:29.02 | Incentive | bear in mind that bog standard USB2 drives can be less than 2MB write |
| 21:29.14 | Incentive | I bought a sandisk and didn't really look into it, 32gb drive, had 2.5mb sustained write |
| 21:29.19 | Incentive | MB/s that is |
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| 21:30.52 | nounch | Running a/several VM(s) from it while using it for other read/write operations is also a real concern of mine. |
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| 21:32.20 | centrx | ppm, Sure! |
| 21:32.38 | ppm | centrx: any doc? |
| 21:32.50 | occupant | heh, I like how the installer strongly suggests that you use a non-ridiculous name for the non-root user. |
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| 21:33.16 | frostschutz | nounch, ... I'm currently using ffmpeg to convert some TV recordings on an USB 2 disk from mkv to mp4 as the "smart" TV does not playback mkv... no reencoding yet it'll take >24 hours for 500GB. USB2 is slow as *** ;) |
| 21:33.17 | nounch | Incentive: The worst thing is: even a USB to SCSI adapter does not in any way speed things up since the USB port is still the bottleneck and laptops rarely ever offer direct SCSI (or even (E)SATA) ports. |
| 21:33.34 | centrx | ppm, I don't know, I assume there is are some floppy disk images or CD images to do the install somewhere in the Debian archive |
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| 21:34.27 | ppm | centrx: http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/buzz/main/disks-i386/1996_6_16/ this link gives multiple floppy disks |
| 21:34.29 | papi83dm1 | hi |
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| 21:34.55 | frostschutz | nounch, and I just got myself an USB3 stick to replace my old USB2 live cd collection simply because (even with a cheap stick that only reads 150MB/s) it's that much faster... |
| 21:35.27 | occupant | yeah new usb3 drives are shockingly fast. good as 1st gen SSDs. |
| 21:35.29 | Reelax | i installed debian about 2 months ago. |
| 21:35.49 | centrx | ppm, Yes, if you do not have a floppy drive there may be some way |
| 21:35.51 | nounch | frostschutz: Don't tell me, I am now at 28GB after 4 hours (while running other processes in parallel, I have to admit). |
| 21:36.00 | centrx | ppm, Get your virtual machine to recognize those files as devices somehow |
| 21:36.05 | ppm | centrx: also http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Guest_Support_Status says support from Debian Sarge 3.1 |
| 21:36.10 | Reelax | How do i update for security properly. apt-get update & upgrade ? there was another type of update i forgot the command and reason. |
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| 21:36.38 | frostschutz | Reelax, you mean dist-upgrade? |
| 21:36.47 | centrx | ppm, That means what they tested it on |
| 21:36.48 | nounch | Reelax: `apt-get distupgrade' |
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| 21:37.05 | nounch | Reelax: `apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 21:37.15 | centrx | ppm, Technically, if they have a complete x86 virtualization machine, any x86 OS should be able to run on it |
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| 21:37.30 | ppm | centrx: may be i should try with buzz floppy disks |
| 21:37.39 | centrx | Reelax, For security updates you only need the command you mentioned: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 21:37.48 | pero | does debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso include gnome? |
| 21:37.55 | centrx | ppm, You are in uncharted waters. Good luck! |
| 21:37.56 | ppm | centrx: is there a way in kvm to pop a floppy and push a new floppy? |
| 21:37.57 | Reelax | nounch: ok what was it for exactly ? |
| 21:38.03 | Reelax | centrx: will do |
| 21:38.18 | mathadder | is there a way to get the debian kernel sources if they don't have debian installed? |
| 21:38.33 | centrx | ppm, I know nothing about KVM |
| 21:38.40 | ppm | centrx: thanks |
| 21:38.42 | centrx | ppm, I use virtualbox, which is another one |
| 21:38.57 | ppm | centrx: np |
| 21:39.20 | frostschutz | ppm, dunno about floppies, but kvm has a management console (monitor) to add/remove hardware on the fly |
| 21:39.45 | centrx | mathadder, http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux/linux_3.2.51.orig.tar.xz and http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux/linux_3.2.51-1.debian.tar.xz |
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| 21:40.20 | ppm | frostschutz: you mean some gui? |
| 21:40.21 | centrx | Reelax, dist-upgrade handles mismatched dependencies more vigorously |
| 21:40.23 | Reelax | centrx: my apt file is set to CD-ROM iguess, do i still get updates from server ? |
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| 21:40.44 | centrx | Reelax, This is the sort of thing that can happen with upgrading from one release to the next, which is a "distribution" (dist) upgrade |
| 21:41.00 | nounch | Reelax: `dist-upgrade' tries to "intelligently" manage packages in addition to the usual upgrades, i.e. it will try to prioritize packages and delete unneeded ones in favor of more important ones. In your case this could mean that you have less tangled-up dependencies and, for instance, you do not rely on older (and potentially more vulnerable) ones. |
| 21:41.01 | centrx | Reelax, I would set it to the Internet servers |
| 21:41.16 | ghostlines | the grub.cfg says to not manually edit however everytime I run update-grub it's adding a non-existant kernel image. How can I work around this safely |
| 21:41.33 | mathadder | centrx: cool thanks |
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| 21:47.30 | Reelax | centrx: looks like i don't know my root user. when i do sudo and enter password for current user (Debby) it says permission bla bla |
| 21:47.59 | Reelax | debby is Administrator though |
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| 21:48.42 | nounch | OK, thank you very much for your insights. |
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| 21:49.05 | krababbel | Reelax: debby has to have sudo rights as well I believe |
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| 21:49.22 | krababbel | whatever administrator means |
| 21:50.00 | Reelax | krababbel: when i say sudo apt-get update, it starts checking the server but stops at some time. |
| 21:50.12 | Reelax | here http://paste.org/70214 |
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| 21:51.00 | relipse | is thare a *nix command line cmd to show a directory tree with all of its files in text format? |
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| 21:51.35 | Reelax | no , here: http://paste.org/70215 |
| 21:52.01 | krababbel | relipse: you mean like 'tree'? |
| 21:52.11 | scoofy | relise, try 'du' or 'du -a'. not exactly what you want, but similar |
| 21:52.27 | krababbel | I guess tree should do it |
| 21:52.36 | krababbel | ? |
| 21:52.55 | scoofy | oh. is there such a command? |
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| 21:53.59 | scoofy | yep, i had to install with 'apt-get install tree' |
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| 21:54.34 | scoofy | can i use the /etc/hosts file to point to a local file? file:///home/user/ ... |
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| 21:54.37 | krababbel | I haven't tied it yet, but something like 'tree > out.txt' should do it? |
| 21:54.58 | scoofy | yep, 'tree' in tree package does it |
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| 22:02.09 | wat | how can i remap the cmd key on my macbook's kb to reflect ctrl? |
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| 22:10.44 | zh1 | debian installer is much options should have some simple install like ubuntu |
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| 22:16.11 | wat | huh |
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| 22:19.17 | Incentive | hello again |
| 22:19.33 | Incentive | I am trying to copy my /home folder to an luks partition using rsync, but I'm not sure how to preserve all permissions |
| 22:19.44 | Incentive | symlinks, etc |
| 22:19.47 | Incentive | is rsync -auv sufficient? |
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| 22:22.47 | frostschutz | Incentive, -u skips files that are newer on the destination |
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| 22:23.07 | Incentive | ah, yes, realised, not necessary |
| 22:23.11 | frostschutz | Incentive, -a is usually sufficient if you do not use extended attributes and don't care about other special cases like sparse files and such |
| 22:23.29 | frostschutz | Incentive, if you do, add some of -AHSX |
| 22:23.29 | Incentive | I noticed extended attributes just now, reading through rsync docs |
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| 22:23.51 | Incentive | there can be no harm by including all of AHSX, right? |
| 22:24.03 | Incentive | i'm struggling to come up with an exhaustive list that can't miss anything :P |
| 22:24.08 | Incentive | maybe -aAHSXv |
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| 22:24.11 | frostschutz | Incentive, no harm, no, but it will complain with an error message if your filesystem doesn't support some feature |
| 22:24.27 | frostschutz | in which case you remove -A and -X ;) |
| 22:24.32 | frostschutz | few people use acls and stuff |
| 22:27.21 | LinuxGuy2020 | Hello Im having trouble with a Jam XT bluetooth speaker connecting to Debian Wheezy. It detects it in the devices list and I select it to connect and either its disconnecting right after or not connecting at all. Is there something Im doing wrong? |
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| 22:27.59 | LinuxGuy2020 | It works fine with Android. |
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| 22:28.26 | kristian-aalborg | cheers |
| 22:28.56 | kristian-aalborg | http://mediatomb.cc/dokuwiki/transcoding:transcoding#piggybacking_subtitles_in_your_stream |
| 22:29.30 | kristian-aalborg | has anyone gotten this to work? I asked on #mediatomb, but no-one is answering... |
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| 22:36.20 | IRCChatInfo | Info about irc please read it http://p.pw/DLV |
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| 22:50.02 | ross` | bind9 is failing and i can't find logs for it. |
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| 22:55.30 | Incentive | many thanks for the help so far, I feel I am abusing the channel a bit :P |
| 22:55.59 | Incentive | okay, so, I have a partition with the contents of home folder on it. /home/username |
| 22:56.36 | Incentive | what I would like to do, is make it so that when /home/username logs in, this partition is opened and becomes their home folder |
| 22:56.53 | Incentive | mounted* |
| 22:56.56 | Incentive | LUKS partition |
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| 22:57.40 | Mattx | Hey guys |
| 22:57.59 | Mattx | is it possible to run an app in some kind of controlled environment with another date? |
| 22:58.06 | internat | Incentive: i assume you want to look at automount |
| 22:58.15 | Mattx | so I don't have to change the system date every time I want to run some tests |
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| 23:00.51 | ross` | can someone help me, i setup 3 zone files but when i dig @localhost the information has no answer section, which is strange |
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| 23:03.56 | Mattx | got it, using faketime |
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| 23:07.09 | ex-parrot | Mattx: handy to know, thanks :D |
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| 23:13.12 | cesurasean1 | How do I fix this on Debian Jessie, ? [Fri Jan 31 17:04:56.453050 2014] [core:error] [pid 9846] [client 50.130.4.120:50884] End of script output before headers: index.php |
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| 23:19.45 | ChibaPet | cesurasean1: FWIW, there's #debian-next on OFTC which is dedicated to Testing and Sid. |
| 23:19.52 | SeekaNet | So I installed RKhunter (rootkit hunter); and it tells me File updated: searched for 168 files, found 128. Does this mean I have 128 things rooted in my system? I totally just installed this |
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| 23:22.13 | ex-parrot | SeekaNet: I'm not convinced that rkhunter is very useful, overall |
| 23:23.19 | SeekaNet | ex-parrot, what do you recommend? for some reason this specific server is acceptable to alot of breakins |
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| 23:28.53 | ross` | what version of bind9 do i have, i installed it from the default repos |
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| 23:30.26 | daemonkeeper | judd: versions bind9 |
| 23:30.36 | judd | Package: bind9 on i386 -- squeeze: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze11; squeeze-security: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze11; squeeze-backports: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u1; jessie: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu3; sid: 1:9.9.3.dfsg.P2-4 |
| 23:30.55 | daemonkeeper | You choose. |
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| 23:40.06 | funkster | need some help, when i have my wired connect, inetnet access if fine, when i connect wireless dhcp seems to add to the route table and i can access internet over wired eth0, im using ping -I eth0 yahoo.com and it "destination host unavailable" do i need to add a new route for eth0 or something? |
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| 23:45.14 | funkster | this is my "route -n" http://pastebin.com/yL2SkT7U - how do i make eth0 accessible to the internet, when i dhcp my wlan0 is makes it inaccessible - anyone know? |
| 23:46.14 | krababbel | funkster: You may have to add a route. Did you specify a gateway in the interfaces file? |
| 23:47.01 | funkster | krababbel: no didnt touch any file, i need this to by dynamic and work on any network when plugged in, what route should I add exactly? |
| 23:48.06 | krababbel | funkster: 'ip route' shows the scope of the route, gateway seems to be set only for iface wlan0. I am not sure how to set this up automatically. 'ip route add' is for adding routes |
| 23:48.36 | krababbel | you can specify an interface like that but apparently 'global' scope is possible too. http://linux-ip.net/html/tools-ip-address.html#tb-tools-ip-addr-scope |
| 23:49.00 | krababbel | host might be more appropriate |
| 23:49.34 | krababbel | funkster: 'ip rout add default via x.x.x.x dev eth0' I think |
| 23:49.47 | krababbel | for example |
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| 23:54.24 | funkster | krababbel: "sudo route add default gw 192.168.10.1 eth0" that works and fixes it, but... how can i have this setup work with dhcp /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:54.49 | funkster | id have to script something to save the default gw on eth0, and apply it after i connect with wlan0, etc etc.. its messy |
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| 23:55.58 | krababbel | funkster: I doubt this has something specifically to do with DHCP or the DHCP client. Maybe its manual has something. I don't know, I'd *guess some udev rule might do it? |
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| 23:59.27 | krababbel | funkster: In 'interfaces' a post-up line might do it. http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Routing_for_multiple_uplinks |
