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| 00:00.43 | airstrike | maybe the issue has to do with permissions. i'm trying a couple of things. brb |
| 00:00.46 | jhutchins | themill: Used to be a straight low-level filesystem driver. |
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| 00:01.04 | dgriffi | does anyone here use an Nvidia Optimus video interface with Debian? |
| 00:01.06 | themill | jhutchins: no |
| 00:01.26 | jhutchins | themill: Well, I'm talking about 99/2000. |
| 00:01.35 | jhutchins | themill: Definitely pre-fuse. |
| 00:01.56 | themill | jhutchins: that was not ntfs-3g. |
| 00:02.19 | xperement_ | how to know what vga card i have? |
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| 00:06.11 | xperement_ | am i alone with my problem? |
| 00:06.28 | xperement_ | somebody tell me if i am spending time here |
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| 00:06.49 | airstrike | ..aaaand back. i just mounted the drive with sudo, and that much is working. |
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| 00:07.07 | airstrike | what's the best way to copy * from /dev/sdb1 to /dev/sda3? |
| 00:07.10 | airstrike | it's about 40GB |
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| 00:07.22 | jhutchins | themill: Ok, my refs say that 3g is ca 2006, so I'm thinking of what might be called 2g. |
| 00:07.39 | jhutchins | themill: In any case, the docs say mount -t ntfs-3g is valid, although it can be used with fuse as well. |
| 00:08.06 | LtL | xperement_: lspci |grep -i vga |
| 00:08.36 | xperement_ | 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Device 9834 |
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| 00:08.55 | xperement_ | which driver i should use to move from vesa? |
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| 00:09.17 | zykotick9 | LtL: with all these silly hybrid laptops, you might want to consider suggesting "lspci -v | grep -i vga" YMMV |
| 00:09.19 | jhutchins | airstrike: cp or rsync |
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| 00:10.02 | LtL | xperement_: lspci -nn |grep -i vga (what is the hex id?) |
| 00:10.19 | blurr | what do i need to install to read fat32 data |
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| 00:10.45 | hollto | xperement_: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
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| 00:11.41 | LtL | zykotick9: i was just passing by, i may have missed some of the conversation, but yeah.. you're right. |
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| 00:12.45 | xperement_ | hollto, useless |
| 00:12.46 | LtL | zykotick9: i don't think that device is supported but i'm guessing. |
| 00:12.47 | jhutchins | blurr: Not working with a defaul tinstall? |
| 00:13.06 | xperement_ | LtL, 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Device [1002:9834] |
| 00:13.22 | zykotick9 | LtL: sorry, i was just responding to your lspci suggestion, i don't help with ati issues myself... |
| 00:13.32 | dvs | ,pciid 1002:9834 |
| 00:13.33 | judd | [1002:9834] is 'Kabini [Radeon HD 8210]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9834 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 00:14.23 | blurr | jhutchins: nope |
| 00:14.33 | jhutchins | blurr: vfat is part of the kernel. |
| 00:14.44 | themill | jhutchins: it still uses fuse |
| 00:15.58 | blurr | jhutchins: i neither would format my usbstick to msdos fat 32.. are dos systems than capable of exFat therefore? |
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| 00:20.24 | jhutchins | blurr: All I know for sure is that I haven't had to do any manual tasks to use FAT USB drives. I don't usually pay much attention to what filesystem they are if they work, which they do. |
| 00:20.47 | jhutchins | blurr: Some sticks are/were formatted FAT12, but I think the common sizes these days make that less common. |
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| 00:21.25 | jhutchins | blurr: You might get a clue of what the system thinks it is from dmesg. |
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| 00:34.34 | NetScr1be | how do I change my console keyboard and screen size? |
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| 00:37.41 | blurr | does sb know a good irc channel for networking? |
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| 00:38.04 | well_laid_lawn | maybe ##networking |
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| 00:38.21 | blurr | lul |
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| 00:42.08 | Tylertwo | Hey, I'm able to connect to a wifi network that isn't password protected, but I can't seem to connect to one that is protected. To configure the connection I'm using the network interfaces file. The only difference in my config file is adding the line at the end "add wpa-psk pass", replacing pass with the password. I'm pretty sure the network I'm trying to connect to is WEP encrypted. Any idea what I'm doing wrong? Thanks. |
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| 00:43.49 | zykotick9 | Tylertwo: i've never tried to connect to wep with interfaces, but wpa-psk doesn't make much sense... sidenote, wep has been "broken" since 1999. |
| 00:44.11 | dvs | Tylertwo: WEP is not supported in Debian 7 |
| 00:44.57 | Tylertwo | dvs, ok, thanks. |
| 00:45.03 | CissWit | of course it is |
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| 00:47.36 | CissWit | Tylertwo: Tylertwo what are you using to configure your wireless network ? |
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| 00:47.58 | jhutchins | dvs: I don't think that's correct. Do you have a reference? |
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| 00:48.25 | Tylertwo | CissWit, the /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 00:48.42 | Tylertwo | CissWit, and ifup/ifdown |
| 00:48.51 | dvs | jhutchins: No, I get this from the installation. WEP ain't an option. |
| 00:48.55 | jhutchins | Tylertwo: Just off hand, it looks like you're specifying wpa security, which of course won't work with wep. |
| 00:49.06 | CissWit | Tylertwo: used a config like this one : http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_wireless_lan_interface_with_wep ? |
| 00:49.24 | jhutchins | dvs: The installer has not supported wpa in the past, but it has supported wep. |
| 00:49.42 | dvs | jhutchins: But now it's the opposite |
| 00:49.54 | CissWit | who cares ? he's not installing debian |
| 00:50.01 | jhutchins | dvs: Can you point to a link in the installer documentation? |
| 00:50.28 | NetScr1be | no takers on changing my console keyboard? |
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| 00:50.44 | Tylertwo | So maybe "wireless-key pass" (pass=password) would work. |
| 00:50.49 | CissWit | NetScr1be: for keyboard, try loadkeys fr |
| 00:50.56 | CissWit | i mean s/fr/yourkeyboard/ |
| 00:51.02 | CissWit | if you want to change the layout |
| 00:51.11 | CissWit | if you don't i didn't understand your question |
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| 00:52.28 | CissWit | NetScr1be: maybe, i always configure wireless network using manual iwconfig commands myself |
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| 00:52.59 | NetScr1be | @CissWit you understood but I don't get s/fr/yourkeyboard/ |
| 00:53.06 | Tylertwo | I'll try that, brb. |
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| 00:53.52 | zykotick9 | NetScr1be: you might also want to try "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" |
| 00:53.53 | CissWit | NetScr1be: fr is from french keyboard. s/pattern/pattern2/ is usual unix way to change pattern in a line to pattern2 |
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| 00:54.03 | CissWit | so just change it with what you need |
| 00:54.09 | CissWit | zykotick9's way might be better |
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| 00:55.44 | Tylertwo_ | Success! ty :). And zykotick9, I don't intend to make a practice of using WEP - but I did want to make sure I'm able to if needbe. |
| 00:56.33 | CissWit | great |
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| 00:57.51 | zykotick9 | Tylertwo_: fyi, wpa/wpa2 isn't really much safer, but at least it's not the encryption that's "broken" for those two |
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| 01:00.18 | NetScr1be | cisswit loadkeys is complaining it wants a keymap file spec |
| 01:00.26 | NetScr1be | can't find one |
| 01:00.38 | NetScr1be | what about changing console lines and columns |
| 01:01.07 | NetScr1be | cubox debian defaults to 80x30 and it's killing me |
| 01:01.14 | zykotick9 | NetScr1be: are you using nvidia/ati proprietary drivers? |
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| 01:01.34 | NetScr1be | zykotick9 no |
| 01:02.38 | zykotick9 | NetScr1be: sorry, i have zero experience with ARM stuff... best of luck. |
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| 01:05.01 | imau | for sid is there any security or updates entry in the source.list ? |
| 01:05.23 | NetScr1be | Vivante GC600 OpenGL ES 2.0 GPU |
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| 01:06.23 | NetScr1be | imau: Debian Sources List Generator |
| 01:06.41 | NetScr1be | http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 01:07.23 | imau | NetScr1be: the one that generates for sid gives me errors |
| 01:07.27 | zykotick9 | imau: no security support for sid, or updates... (probably NOT questions YOU should be asking if your running it) |
| 01:07.28 | imau | in the update |
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| 01:08.31 | imau | zykotick9: keep those stupid condecending comments to yourself |
| 01:08.55 | imau | and thx |
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| 01:13.38 | zykotick9 | NetScr1be: imau debgen.foo.ch is known to cause issue... it shouldn't be recommended here. |
| 01:15.11 | jhutchins | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:20.22 | ShapeShifter499 | I just noticed I have a nat table in my iptables settings... do I need that? can I set all nat settings to drop? |
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| 01:22.29 | Dan39 | ShapeShifter499: do you need it to do nat? :P |
| 01:22.35 | Dan39 | lol |
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| 01:23.49 | ShapeShifter499 | Dan39, I don't use my computer as a router to share internet so do I need to have nat settings? |
| 01:24.07 | Dan39 | no idea, but id guess not. question is how did they get there? :P |
| 01:24.23 | ShapeShifter499 | currently all nat is set to ACCEPT in my iptables settings |
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| 01:24.36 | ShapeShifter499 | Dan39, iptables-save added nat |
| 01:24.45 | Dan39 | o |
| 01:25.36 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm just concerned that the "ACCEPT" rules on the nat table are opening things up for potential network attacks |
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| 01:27.22 | raSter^ | guys how do i see other ips connected to my vps? |
| 01:27.58 | raSter^ | i mean not netstat. i mean other ip that are provided to me by the hosting company? like ipv6/ipv4 extra ips |
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| 01:29.05 | Dagger2 | if they're configured on your VPS, `ifconfig` (or `ip a`) |
| 01:29.09 | Dagger2 | if not? ask your provider |
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| 01:44.52 | alusion | I use xtightvnc to view my windows pc directly next to my gnu/linux box |
| 01:44.55 | alusion | both hardwired |
| 01:44.58 | alusion | and i still have lag |
| 01:45.01 | alusion | why is VNC like that? |
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| 01:52.02 | pbk829 | any slim users happen to know how i can disable it and login to my desktop without a graphical login manager? |
| 01:52.49 | abrotman | dpkg: tell pbk829 about nodm |
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| 01:56.46 | pbk829 | so if i understand correctly i can just enter ""echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager"" into a terminal and reboot? and deleting that file will re-enable the login manager? |
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| 01:57.08 | abrotman | pbk829: try it and see |
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| 01:58.10 | pbk829 | but all that does is create a file with the word false in it. don't see how that would do anything |
| 01:58.40 | pbk829 | there is no file in that folder already called default-display-manager or even slim |
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| 01:59.26 | themill | there's also a package called nodm which might be what you are looking for |
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| 02:00.10 | pbk829 | thanks i'll check that out |
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| 02:02.07 | pbk829 | hmm looks like it automatically starts an x session on startup. what i'm looking for is something like another distro i've seen does where it starts up to a command prompts where you have to enter username, password, and then startx |
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| 02:03.07 | themill | pbk829: so what dpkg said |
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| 02:04.00 | paulik | Is there anything like mpd that will play music at the client end rather than the server end? |
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| 02:04.42 | abrotman | mpd? |
| 02:04.53 | eskp | hello. so has anyone's font changed after the latest chromium update? |
| 02:05.40 | paulik | music player daemon |
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| 02:06.42 | paulik | ;] |
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| 02:08.07 | gardar | paulik: afaik mpd can do that with certain clients |
| 02:08.45 | paulik | gardar: any idea which clients/how? its FAQ explicitly states that it won't stream to the client end |
| 02:10.12 | ice799 | Hi there. If I have a .deb file, is there some dpkg or dpkg-* I can use to output the dependency information for the .deb file? |
| 02:10.36 | abrotman | ice799: man dpkg, it's quite clear |
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| 02:10.49 | themill | ice799: dpkg -I foo.deb; that's normally a sign you're doing the wrong thing and should be using apt, btw. |
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| 02:11.50 | ice799 | themill: nah i actually want to know what the dependency information is, thanks |
| 02:11.55 | gardar | paulik: I think you need to configure it to do a http stream, http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Built-in_HTTP_streaming_part_2 |
| 02:12.04 | themill | ice799: apt-cache show $package shows that information. |
| 02:12.20 | gardar | paulik: although other solutions might suit you better, like ampache. |
| 02:12.26 | ice799 | so given an arbitrary .deb file, is there some way to determine which distribution(s) that file was created for? |
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| 02:12.34 | themill | ice799: no |
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| 02:12.58 | themill | ice799: there are ways of making an educated guess at best/ |
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| 02:13.30 | ice799 | so if the person who created the .deb file does not explicitly tell me which disribution(s) his software supports, there is no way for me to determine it myself by inspecting any of the .deb metadata? |
| 02:13.31 | gardar | paulik: ampache works great with mpd aswell |
| 02:13.45 | ice799 | well, i worded that wrong. |
| 02:14.02 | themill | ice799: if the person who has made the .deb is not sufficiently clueful to tell you this information, I'd think twice about using it |
| 02:14.27 | ice799 | i'm trying to understand how much metadata is actaully included in the deb |
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| 02:15.18 | ice799 | so realistically, it actually doesn't matter which distribution a particular deb is for, so long as the depends are satisfied |
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| 02:15.28 | ice799 | apt will install it |
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| 02:16.40 | themill | ice799: not entirely... the package dependencies being satisfied doesn't actually mean that the packages that are being installed are going to do the right things or put the files in the right places. |
| 02:17.02 | ice799 | that doesn't matter to apt though |
| 02:17.13 | themill | no, but it might stop the package working. |
| 02:17.19 | ice799 | apt will install it, whether or not it actually works or writes files to the proper place in the filesystem is separate |
| 02:17.19 | apt | I think you lost me on that one, ice799 |
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| 02:17.59 | themill | ice799: and if it's not designed for the right release/distribution you could easily have file conflicts which will break the installation step too |
| 02:18.09 | paulik | gardar: thanks, that looks good :) |
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| 02:18.36 | gardar | np paulik :) |
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| 02:36.25 | aLLamoox | Hello |
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| 02:37.40 | MisterE | hi, when looking at man pages I scroll to the bottom with the space bar and get a line like this: Manual page airodump-ng(8) line 207/238 (END) (press h for help or q to quit) |
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| 02:38.04 | MisterE | N00b question I know but if I'm at like 207/238 how can I be at the end? |
| 02:38.15 | MisterE | s/like/line* |
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| 02:39.28 | peterrooney | MisterE: the top of your screen is line 207, manual is 238 lines. |
| 02:42.10 | MisterE | doh! |
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| 03:03.14 | paulik | gardar: so.. any idea what clients work with ampache? |
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| 03:05.11 | themill | paulik: "aptitude search ~nampache" (although I suspect there are plenty of others too) |
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| 03:07.59 | themill | paulik: any client that can play an http or icecast stream can be used as a player (as opposed to a controller). That includes anything mplayer or vlc based. |
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| 03:19.53 | smj | Can I redistribute a .deb of wine 1.7.8 created by checkinstall? |
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| 03:20.29 | abrotman | smj: check the Wine license |
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| 03:21.06 | smj | it's LGPL |
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| 03:21.26 | aypea[0] | smj: do you want to twirl your own repo? |
| 03:21.48 | smj | no, but maybe put it on my server |
| 03:22.25 | aypea[0] | oh. i read a 'how' before the can. sigh. too tired. |
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| 03:22.48 | aypea[0] | creating a repo is easy. there's a package that takes all the hard work out of it |
| 03:23.00 | aypea[0] | but if you do not want... :) |
| 03:23.47 | abrotman | dpkg: tell smj about reprepro |
| 03:24.26 | smj | I might do it once I have three useful .debs lying around |
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| 03:48.16 | peterrooney | So, funny thing - I started up an instance of KDE on vt8 as a different user, and my cursor started occasionally presenting as a KDE cursor, even after killing the session. How can I make things go back? |
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| 03:54.56 | Lady_Aleena | Okay, I just tried a2ensite 'sudo a2ensite ~/Documents/fantasy/' and I got 'ERROR: No site found matching /home/dawn/Documents/fantasy/!' what did I do wrong? |
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| 03:56.25 | abrotman | wtf |
| 03:56.42 | abrotman | remember I said 'man a2ensite', and you were going to read it ? |
| 03:57.03 | wols | Lady_Aleena: you need to configure this site, creating config files and stuff for it before you run the command |
| 03:57.11 | wols | Lady_Aleena: it's not magic |
| 03:57.26 | abrotman | it is magic! |
| 03:57.35 | abrotman | still need to setup the illusion :) |
| 03:57.46 | Lady_Aleena | I read it, and it wasn't to informative. |
| 03:58.05 | reavengrey | Lady_Aleena: You understand how unix links work? |
| 03:58.13 | Lady_Aleena | So, the man to a2ensite is missing a few steps. |
| 03:58.33 | reavengrey | Do you understand how unix links work? |
| 03:58.43 | abrotman | ... |
| 03:59.01 | kyle__ | wols: There used to be a linux distro that took that approach you know. You would cast spells, invoke deamons, stuff like that. |
| 03:59.05 | Lady_Aleena | reavengrey, just installed Linux on Thursday, spent Thursday-Saturday trying to get sound. |
| 03:59.35 | reavengrey | Ah, kk, well that explains a lot |
| 03:59.52 | Lady_Aleena | Today is Sunday for me. |
| 04:00.13 | Lady_Aleena | I read all the mans and docs I was pointed to and none made sense. |
| 04:00.30 | reavengrey | Apache uses configuration files |
| 04:00.52 | reavengrey | Debian sets up a really neat scheme where it sets up links to the config files |
| 04:01.14 | reavengrey | To understand what's going on in 'man a2ensite' you need to understand unix links |
| 04:01.30 | reavengrey | And you need to understand the format of apache config files |
| 04:02.09 | Lady_Aleena | reavengrey, I have the httpd.conf file I had on Windows XP. |
| 04:02.12 | abrotman | it's always sunday in here ... |
| 04:02.34 | themill | Lady_Aleena: configuration files for system services live in /etc not in ~/. Files are not directories. The FILES section of a2ensite(8) lists where these files should be located. |
| 04:02.50 | Lady_Aleena | I've kept that httpd.conf file in a secure place for years for the day when I left Windows. |
| 04:03.14 | reavengrey | You can mostly use that file; you want to remove the vhosts from it and split them out |
| 04:03.20 | reavengrey | Into the scheme that debian uses |
| 04:03.25 | Lady_Aleena | themill, I wanted to set up DocumentRoot to point to /home/dawn/Documents/fantasy/ |
| 04:03.54 | themill | Lady_Aleena: so you need to configure the documentroot to be that. |
| 04:03.59 | Tramp | though some days are sundayier than others |
| 04:05.00 | themill | Lady_Aleena: a2ensite just lets you enable a config file you have already written, it doesn't magically write one for you |
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| 04:05.16 | Lady_Aleena | themill, when I set up Apache in Windows XP, if I wanted localhost in my browser to point to the right index.pl file, I needed DocumentRoot to be the directory the file was in. |
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| 04:05.21 | kyle__ | reavengrey: I thought atensite was part of apache proper even. Could be wrong though. |
| 04:05.43 | abrotman | run away ... |
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| 04:05.58 | kyle__ | Lady_Aleena: apache on windows is a bit of an abomination. Best to ignore what you had to do in it, and learn anew. |
| 04:06.23 | themill | Lady_Aleena: that's not different under debian |
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| 04:07.34 | reavengrey | kyle__: a2*site a2*mod, AFAIK are not standard apache utilities |
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| 04:08.26 | abrotman | seems easy enough to check |
| 04:08.33 | Lady_Aleena | themill, so I edit the 000-default file. |
| 04:08.53 | kyle__ | reavengrey: I'll take your word. I'm too on edge recovering a failed mdadm array right now to concentrate. |
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| 04:21.10 | Lady_Aleena | Would someone be willing to eyeball http://paste.debian.net/69916/ to make sure I didn't miss anything? Pretty please with sugar on top? |
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| 04:43.01 | laigualdad | hi question |
| 04:43.15 | laigualdad | i want to install debian to my sd card. i am following these directions http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en (part 4.3.1) and tried the command. > user@computer~/Downloads $ cp debian.iso /dev/mmcblk0p1 > cp: cannot create regular file ‘/dev/mmcblk0p1’: Permission denied > user@computer~/Downloads $ sudo cp debian.iso /dev/mmcblk0p1 <-- then it seems to be loading, for an indefinite period. Should I wait? |
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| 04:48.27 | wols | laigualdad: that is worng. you'd write it to a partition, but you must write it to disk |
| 04:49.33 | laigualdad | what does it means when they say "Debian CD and DVD images can now be written directly a USB stick"? |
| 04:49.39 | wols | the "p1" part is the bad one. remove it. also use a program like ddrescue then you see a counter while it writes |
| 04:49.47 | laigualdad | " Simply choose a CD or DVD image that will fit on your USB stick." |
| 04:49.50 | wols | they mean you can cp it over |
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| 04:50.11 | laigualdad | ah ok |
| 04:50.20 | themill | laigualdad: are you wanting to install debian TO the sd card or FROM the sd card? |
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| 04:50.31 | laigualdad | i want to install it to the sd card |
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| 04:50.45 | wols | laigualdad: is this ISO a live cd? |
| 04:50.49 | laigualdad | so just remove p1, -- and get ddrescue so i can be more patient? :) |
| 04:51.06 | wols | you aren't installing a normal debian to a sd card this way |
| 04:51.06 | laigualdad | no it's for the static operating system |
| 04:51.13 | wols | then you do it totally wrong |
| 04:51.13 | themill | laigualdad: what you are doing there is putting the installer on the SD card so that you can boot the installer to then install debian on some other medium |
| 04:51.41 | laigualdad | oh yeah xD |
| 04:51.44 | laigualdad | i understand |
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| 04:52.10 | laigualdad | i'll be booting the installer from the sd, and then installing it right from it |
| 04:52.12 | laigualdad | although |
| 04:52.25 | laigualdad | i could just use my other USB |
| 04:52.25 | shagelito | Greetings, #debian. Is someone able to tell me whats krb524 ? |
| 04:52.39 | laigualdad | think i'll do that |
| 04:52.53 | wols | shagelito: first google hit: http://hscripts.com/tutorials/linux-services/krb524.html |
| 04:53.06 | wols | it converts kerberos 5 to kerberos 4 |
| 04:53.40 | shagelito | wols: Dankeucheun |
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| 04:54.26 | shagelito | wols: negative, my search was "krb524 debian" top result is very different. So are the rest |
| 04:55.44 | laigualdad | hope you're not using search settings that detect location. that can happen |
| 04:55.58 | laigualdad | also if logged in to google |
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| 04:56.18 | laigualdad | just a guess |
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| 04:58.06 | rryoumaa | i do cfdisk /dev/sdc, and i set the free space to the remainder (almost 4tb). it writes fine. then i do cfdisk again, and teh partition ends up as only about 1.7tb, and the rest is free space. is this because my motherboard can't use a 4tb drive? |
| 04:58.48 | wols | rryoumaa: do you use GPT or MBR partitions? |
| 04:58.53 | rryoumaa | wols: dunno |
| 04:58.59 | wols | you must use GPT |
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| 04:59.12 | rryoumaa | it is an external drive though |
| 04:59.21 | rryoumaa | i thought that limitation was only for booting? |
| 04:59.34 | wols | then, if you use an old enclosure with and old usb chip it might not be able to use 4TB |
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| 05:00.02 | rryoumaa | it is a new 4tb external drive |
| 05:00.09 | rryoumaa | (turnkey) |
| 05:00.20 | rryoumaa | seagate backup plus |
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| 05:02.32 | wols | MBR can only support 2.2TB harddisks. and 4-2.2 is near enough to 1.7 so my guess is it's an MBR issue. use parted to partition, or gparted |
| 05:03.26 | rryoumaa | will parted produce a different result? |
| 05:04.52 | Some_Person | How can I set the regulatory domain for my wifi card? |
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| 05:07.43 | rryoumaa | cfdisk is more intuitive to me than parted |
| 05:09.55 | themill | Some_Person: crda(8) and http://wireless.kernel.org/en/developers/Regulatory/CRDA |
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| 05:11.42 | rryoumaa | nope, seems parted produces another result that is not the desired one |
| 05:11.56 | rryoumaa | i guess i have to get a 2tb drive |
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| 05:12.14 | laigualdad | followup: ah, at least with my usb stick, i can see the flashing = progress :D |
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| 05:15.35 | Lady_Aleena | sets out cookies on the table for everyone. |
| 05:16.50 | laigualdad | scarfs down all the cookies |
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| 05:20.44 | shagelito | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.11 | shagelito | busted |
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| 05:21.55 | Some_Person | themill: I've tried using "iw reg set" but it doesn't seem to have any effect |
| 05:22.10 | Some_Person | I'm using network-manage by the way |
| 05:22.15 | Some_Person | *network-manager |
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| 05:23.51 | themill | Some_Person: seems to work here (although I'm not currently connected via wifi, but iw reg set XY means that iw reg get is changed) |
| 05:25.02 | Some_Person | themill: It does change iw reg get, but it doesn't seem to allow me to connect to a network on Channel 13 |
| 05:25.38 | themill | ah |
| 05:25.44 | Some_Person | any other ideas? |
| 05:25.59 | themill | Some_Person: n-m doesn't let you select channels etc anyway does it? |
| 05:26.08 | Some_Person | themill: Huh? |
| 05:26.23 | Some_Person | The network is broadcasting on channel 13; n-m can't even detect it at the moment |
| 05:26.45 | nevyn | I dunno that the problem is n-m |
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| 05:26.55 | nevyn | it's proably that you don't have region set. |
| 05:27.03 | Some_Person | nevyn: That's possible. How do I do that? |
| 05:27.20 | themill | or the hardware can't do those channels |
| 05:27.25 | nevyn | that too |
| 05:27.33 | Some_Person | themill: It works in Windows |
| 05:27.38 | themill | Some_Person: does "iwlist wlan0 list" show the channel> |
| 05:27.38 | Some_Person | so it's definitely not the hardware |
| 05:28.01 | nevyn | it's pretty unlikely that the hardware can't do the full range and more. |
| 05:28.02 | Some_Person | don't have iwlist installed |
| 05:28.15 | Some_Person | what package is it in? |
| 05:28.22 | nevyn | it's in sbin or /usr/sbin |
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| 05:32.36 | Some_Person | The network does not show up with "iwlist wlan0 scan" |
| 05:32.44 | themill | Some_Person: I'm sitting here with 53 different APs visible (don't ask...) and if I "iw reg set US" the ones on Channel 13 disappear from the list while if I set it back to AU, they Channel 13 ones reappear. |
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| 05:33.18 | Some_Person | and "iwlist wlan0 channel" only shows up to channel 11 |
| 05:34.14 | Some_Person | It seems to be completely ignoring what I do with "iw reg set" |
| 05:34.24 | nevyn | Some_Person: what juristiction are you in? |
| 05:34.31 | themill | Some_Person: what country are you giving iw reg set? |
| 05:34.45 | Some_Person | themill: I've tried giving it GB and AU |
| 05:34.52 | Some_Person | nevyn: Does it matter where I really am? |
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| 05:35.30 | themill | Some_Person: so does "iwlist wlan0 channel" change when you toggle between say US and AU? |
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| 05:35.56 | Some_Person | themill: Nope |
| 05:36.09 | Some_Person | It continues to show up to channel 11 |
| 05:37.31 | themill | there are no changes to other channel numbers at 140-165? |
| 05:37.52 | Some_Person | Huh? 140-165? |
| 05:38.18 | themill | 5GHz channels -- your hardware might not handle that and I don't know what iwlist would do in that case |
| 05:38.27 | Some_Person | My hardware doesn't support 5GHz |
| 05:38.31 | Some_Person | so none of those are listed |
| 05:38.59 | themill | what driver and what kernel is this? (I have no idea when this stuff became widely supported) |
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| 05:39.28 | Some_Person | The driver is rtl8192cu |
| 05:39.49 | Some_Person | What's the command to find out the kernel? |
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| 05:40.10 | themill | uname -r |
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| 05:40.49 | Some_Person | 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
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| 05:41.29 | themill | (and rtl drivers are icky in the extreme) |
| 05:41.36 | Some_Person | Really? |
| 05:42.09 | themill | that one doesn't seem to depend on the cfg80211 module, so I think the crda/iw tools don't actually do anything here at all |
| 05:42.28 | Some_Person | Well that would explain it |
| 05:42.28 | Some_Person | So what do I need to do? |
| 05:42.43 | themill | grab a tenner and buy a better wifi module? |
| 05:43.02 | themill | I don't know if there's a way of hitting that driver to use different channels or not, sorry |
| 05:43.05 | Some_Person | I could do that tomorrow |
| 05:43.37 | themill | or change the AP to use a channel in 1-12 ;) |
| 05:43.42 | Some_Person | What devices are likely to work better? |
| 05:43.52 | Some_Person | themill: No, there's a reason I'm using one above 11 |
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| 05:48.04 | nonconvergent | Dunno where to start with pgp/gpg. |
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| 05:48.45 | themill | Some_Person: the only usb wifi things I've ever dealt with were the same chipset -- not a problem for me since I didn't need to worry about channel selection. Perhaps ##hardware or ##linux can provide some suggestions. |
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| 05:49.29 | Some_Person | themill: Well, whatever you currently have sounds like it works though |
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| 05:51.45 | themill | Some_Person: well my fiddling just now was with the built in intel 6235 chipset not a usb dongle |
| 05:51.56 | Some_Person | Thank you for your help by the way |
| 05:52.05 | themill | no worries -- good luck! |
| 05:52.19 | Some_Person | I'll try to do some research on wifi cards (this is already a USB dongle by the way) |
| 05:53.04 | themill | yeah, I only know of that driver in the context of usb dongles hence my suggestion to try a different one ;) |
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| 05:57.12 | themill | Some_Person: hmm.... rtl8192cu depends on rtlwifi which depends on cfg80211 so maybe this should be possible somehow |
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| 06:07.59 | Lady_Aleena | Sorry to be such a bother, however, what is the Debian standard method of installing modules from CPAN? |
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| 06:19.48 | krz | hi |
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| 06:20.21 | krz | whats the best way to install debian? via usb full image or netinstall usb? |
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| 06:22.16 | pawell_ | I have debian with kde and after upgrading kde doesn't start : O What should I do ? Can I start it in terminal ? |
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| 06:22.22 | themill | krz: yes, although your wifi chip may need you to load firmware separately. You can do that either from a usb device or by grabbing an installer image with firmware already on it. /msg dpkg installer firmware |
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| 06:26.18 | krz | themill: i am confused. which one do i use at http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall |
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| 06:28.04 | themill | krz: if you don't need firmware or you plan to load it from a separate usb stick, use the "small cd" images. |
| 06:28.36 | krz | yea i want to install via usb |
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| 06:29.24 | krz | is there a torrent for the iso file? |
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| 06:30.34 | krz | http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ this fine? |
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| 06:31.36 | themill | krz: assuming you will deal with the firmware requirement in some other way, yes |
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| 06:32.36 | krz | themill: erm what firmware do i need to deal with |
| 06:32.43 | krz | this isnt highlighted anywhere on the download page |
| 06:32.45 | krz | sigh |
| 06:33.00 | krz | was hoping debian would be more straightforward |
| 06:33.38 | krz | archlinux was a breeze, even though everything was installed via terminal |
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| 06:34.18 | themill | krz: do you or do you not need firmware for your wireless card? |
| 06:34.28 | themill | [17:22] <themill> krz: yes, although your wifi chip may need you to load firmware separately. You can do that either from a usb device or by grabbing an installer image with firmware already on it. /msg dpkg installer firmware |
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| 06:34.57 | krz | themill: im not sure, ive never needed firmware installed to install other distros |
| 06:35.07 | themill | what chipset is it? |
| 06:35.16 | krz | intel |
| 06:35.20 | themill | it will then |
| 06:35.44 | krz | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK104M [GeForce GTX 680M] (rev a1) |
| 06:36.38 | krz | thats what lspci | grep VGA returned |
| 06:36.44 | krz | is that my chipset? |
| 06:36.59 | Penix | blinks |
| 06:37.23 | jelly-home | krz: that's certainly not the wifi hardware, no |
| 06:37.38 | krz | oh the wifi lol |
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| 06:38.59 | krz | http://pastie.org/8538911 where is the wifi chipset? |
| 06:39.29 | themill | Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6230 |
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| 06:39.31 | krz | ah Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6230 [Rainbow Peak] (rev 34) |
| 06:39.35 | themill | as I said, you'll need firmware |
| 06:39.49 | krz | ok, what do i need to do? |
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| 06:42.49 | krz | holy cow, im lost https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware |
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| 06:43.05 | krz | here too https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 06:43.35 | krz | why couldnt they bundle the freaking firmware with the installer like most distros do |
| 06:43.54 | Penix | krz: because not all firmware is licensed to allow that |
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| 06:44.01 | Penix | krz: and that page is not what you need |
| 06:44.10 | krz | or atleast to get the net adapters working |
| 06:44.16 | krz | during install |
| 06:44.35 | debianmaster0 | 8-) |
| 06:45.21 | krz | so what is arch doing correctly to get wifi adapters working out of the box during install? |
| 06:45.40 | Penix | I don't know. maybe you should ask the arch people |
| 06:46.03 | Penix | krz: in the meantime, a simple google search will return a page all about loading firmware during installation |
| 06:47.16 | krz | and ubuntu? |
| 06:47.19 | themill | krz: there is an image that has all the firmware in it already -- I suggested to you to ask dpkg about it |
| 06:47.23 | Penix | krz: ask #ubuntu |
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| 06:48.16 | themill | dpkg: tell krz about firmware images |
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| 06:49.39 | krz | ty |
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| 06:51.48 | krz | is there a torrent for this? |
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| 06:53.07 | themill | did you look? |
| 06:53.15 | krz | wait |
| 06:53.44 | krz | ok you can speak now |
| 06:53.58 | krz | im kidding! |
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| 06:54.15 | krz | thanks themill |
| 06:56.59 | krz | the torrent cant be found..... |
| 06:57.06 | krz | no trackers |
| 06:57.42 | krz | sad |
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| 06:58.43 | krz | what else can be done? |
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| 07:08.39 | jelly-home | download the .iso via http, like everyone else |
| 07:08.58 | krz | no thanks |
| 07:09.11 | krz | torrent like everyone else |
| 07:09.34 | krz | how is http even consistent with md5 checksums |
| 07:09.51 | krz | most distros will offer a torrent alternative |
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| 07:10.51 | krz | i download via http, no integrity checks. have to download again? what a time waster |
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| 07:11.42 | jelly-home | agrees with the last sentence |
| 07:11.59 | Penix | heh |
| 07:12.01 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 07:12.01 | dpkg | <themill> blendmaster1024: the easiest way to improve boot time is not to reboot <blendmaster1024> themill, i'm doing this because i wanna be able to say "my machine boots in 20 seconds" not because i really need it |
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| 07:31.14 | BONG_IT | how can i check my ethernet number? |
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| 07:31.27 | BONG_IT | i cant start my built in ethernet lan |
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| 07:38.32 | musca | BONG_IT: please execute: lspci --nn | grep -i net |
| 07:39.24 | musca | BONG_IT: you should get one or two lines of text and copy it here, but not more than two lines, please. |
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| 07:43.32 | BONG_IT | thanks it works now |
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| 08:23.49 | mnngfltg | Here's a question that's been bothering me: There's grep/ack/ag for finding files that include a string. But is there also a utility to print the files whose *names* include a certain string? The best I can come up with is find . | grep -i foo .... |
| 08:24.18 | petemc | find -name \*foo\* |
| 08:24.29 | petemc | or -iname for case insensitive |
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| 08:25.55 | mnngfltg | petemc, that's pretty good. Can I make it exclude files in my .gitignore as well? :) |
| 08:26.01 | themill | or locate if the file has been around for a while |
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| 08:27.24 | mnngfltg | it would be great if there was a (more modern) find-like utility that supported an "ignore" file with patterns like *.tmp... |
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| 08:41.49 | richardus | hi guys, can you mount /usr on a separate partition in debian stable? |
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| 08:42.37 | pawell_ | Hi, I have problem, I've alread done some upgrades with aptitude and now my kde doesn't start, I have only text mode avaible, any possible solution ? |
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| 08:46.58 | grep0r | richardus, yes but create a backup first and edit fstab |
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| 08:48.27 | Zap-W | is mount.smbfs deprecated? in what package can I found mount tools for mounting samba shares? |
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| 08:49.10 | grep0r | pawell_, is there any logs to check what's up problem with Xorg or kde? |
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| 08:50.25 | grep0r | pawell_, I think run dmesg on terminal gonna help to check what's up |
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| 08:51.39 | flami | mount.cifs is for mounting samba shares. smbfs has been deprecated for years |
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| 08:51.56 | flami | Zap-W: --^ |
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| 08:56.50 | pawell_ | grep0r : I don't understand any of demsg massages |
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| 08:59.00 | flami | pawell_: look at the xorg.log too. look for EE messages. those should show you the errors. |
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| 08:59.32 | bin | how do you close file from lsof |
| 08:59.50 | pawell_ | grep0r: I have a lot of "Error: BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter) 9 Major opcode: 72(X_PutImage) Resource id: 0x0" in .xsessions-errors |
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| 09:02.30 | grep0r | pawell_, use http://paste.debian.net and paste the output there so we can help you. If works ok before its probably just a configuration |
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| 09:05.51 | krz | just making sure. this is the guide to boot install debian on a usb |
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| 09:05.54 | krz | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 09:07.38 | kopfkind | krz: for i386 this looks plausible. I've been using unetbootin to put ISOs on a thumb drive, liked that better. But YMMV |
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| 09:07.40 | pawell_ | http://fatcat.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~i2peksa/xsession-errors |
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| 09:08.03 | pawell_ | It's hard to use paste.debian.net being in text mode : ) |
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| 09:09.35 | pawell_ | aptitude |
| 09:09.36 | flami | if you don't get xorg to do anything. maybe also upload Xorg.log |
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| 09:09.51 | pawell_ | where is xor log ? |
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| 09:10.07 | jalalsfs | How to install gnome classic on debian jessie? |
| 09:10.14 | krz | kopfkind: so i just copy the iso directly into the usb stick thats it? |
| 09:10.17 | krz | no need for dd? |
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| 09:11.23 | richardus | grep0r: thanks |
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| 09:11.34 | kopfkind | krz: No, copying does not suffice. You have to make the stick bootable. Unetbootin is a UI tool which makes that easy. Otherwise you can follow the guide you mentioned, using dd. |
| 09:11.55 | Zap-W | is it possible to pruge packages with aptitude using packagename* |
| 09:11.55 | flami | pawell_: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:12.00 | Zap-W | wildcard |
| 09:12.17 | kopfkind | krz: Here's the link: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ - it's also in the standard repos, IIRC. |
| 09:12.40 | krz | the guide doesnt mention anything about using dd though |
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| 09:13.10 | themill | kopfkind, krz: I'd recommend against using unetbootin. It screws up the image in all manner of interesting and hard to diagnose ways. |
| 09:13.32 | flami | then how do they create the bootloader? maybe they do like cat image > /dev/sda ... which is kinda like dd in that case |
| 09:14.03 | kopfkind | themill: Good to know, thanks for the hint. I've been using it successfully in the past but that's been with Finnix some time ago. |
| 09:14.32 | themill | if you were using a CD iso image rather than the iso-hybrid images debian uses, then that would be true |
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| 09:15.32 | kopfkind | flami: Isn't that what the guide suggests? "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX" would copy the ISO directly to the device, not into the FS on the partition. |
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| 09:16.33 | flami | yes . that's one way of doing it. its just what dd would do, just using cp . |
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| 09:16.56 | themill | yeah, cp, dd, cat will all work; cp is in the install guide because it's the hardest to screw up |
| 09:16.56 | flami | dd doesn't do anything special really |
| 09:17.43 | flami | I agree on that with cp |
| 09:17.44 | krz | im formatting the usb stick via fdisk. what type should it be? |
| 09:17.45 | krz | fat16? |
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| 09:18.03 | themill | krz: you will destroy whatever you do to the usb stick in the copying process |
| 09:18.05 | flami | krz: youu don't need to format. the cp command will overwrite everything |
| 09:18.32 | krz | the usb stick is empty |
| 09:18.46 | krz | i need to create a partition, cuz i cant mount it |
| 09:18.54 | krz | what type should the partition be? |
| 09:19.01 | flami | by writing directly on the device, it skips the filesystem and writes directly to the flash |
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| 09:19.12 | flami | krz: you don't need to mount it |
| 09:19.16 | krz | oh |
| 09:19.26 | osfd | I'd need guile-gnome on wheezy, is it hidden in some virtual package ? |
| 09:19.47 | flami | krz: the important part is that it does cp to a device , not a directory. |
| 09:20.27 | osfd | in order to install this http://gwave.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 09:20.56 | krz | k brb |
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| 09:22.16 | osfd | but it looks like it's not in the repo... :( |
| 09:22.34 | grep0r | Zap-W, if you mean purge yes. #apt-get remove --purge packagename |
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| 09:25.38 | themill | osfd: that package hasn't been able to be compiled for the last couple of years. Perhaps you'd be interested in taking a look at that? |
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| 09:26.28 | osfd | themill: you know, if I'm asking here, that's probably because I don't know |
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| 09:26.51 | themill | not necessarily -- I wouldn't make that assumption at all |
| 09:27.05 | osfd | themill: you're right |
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| 09:27.42 | osfd | themill: so this package does not exists in wheezy but exists in unstable |
| 09:27.58 | themill | yeah |
| 09:28.43 | pawell_ | http://fatcat.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~i2peksa/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:28.50 | pawell_ | http://fatcat.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~i2peksa/kdm.log |
| 09:29.13 | osfd | themill: so unless I go for multiple repos, no ways for me to make this work... |
| 09:29.22 | themill | osfd: given the age of the packages in sid, you may well find that those particular packages did compile for your particular architecture and you can download the .debs and install them |
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| 09:29.40 | osfd | themill: let's give it a try |
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| 09:44.06 | grep0r | pawell_, give a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and we will see :P |
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| 09:47.03 | pawell_ | grep0r: still isn't working |
| 09:48.09 | pawell_ | in kdm.log there is an error: loading extension GLX /n FATAL: module fglrx not found |
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| 09:49.02 | pawell_ | and then "Fatal server error: (EE) no screends found(EE" |
| 09:49.17 | pawell_ | and then "Fatal server error: (EE) no screens found(EE)" |
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| 09:52.52 | grep0r | pawell_, drivers or configuration |
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| 09:58.04 | grep0r | pawell_, try modinfo fglrx |
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| 09:58.50 | grep0r | and see if there are any results |
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| 09:59.11 | pawell_ | there are results |
| 09:59.58 | pawell_ | there is one line: "3.11-2.amd64 mod_unload modversions" is it ok ? |
| 10:00.37 | pawell_ | I mean not only one line, but I wanted to ask if it's ok because there is "mod_unload" |
| 10:01.04 | grep0r | i have to make a coffee check it on a bit |
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| 10:03.16 | pawell_ | The last logs of kdm shows the segmention fault : | |
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| 10:04.07 | pawell_ | wrong parameters setting to compute surface alligments |
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| 10:04.30 | linus_ | the output of 'apt-get upgrade' includes 'The following packages have been kept back: libmatedesktop libopus0 mdm mintmenu ' is it ok? |
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| 10:05.05 | DelphiWorld | linus_: i think, after do dist-upgrade |
| 10:05.28 | linus_ | DelphiWorld: yep |
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| 10:07.35 | linus_ | i ran apt-get update,apt-get dist-upgrade and apt-get upgrade |
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| 10:08.10 | themill | linus_: please seek support in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org |
| 10:08.13 | themill | dpkg: tell linus_ about mint |
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| 10:10.31 | linus_ | ok |
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| 10:11.04 | grep0r | pawell_, service kdm stop , then modprobe -v fglrx |
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| 10:18.15 | pawell_ | grep0r, stil isn't working, isn't there a way to reinstall all of needed things in order to make it woring ? |
| 10:18.19 | pawell_ | working* |
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| 10:19.09 | krz | hi |
| 10:19.22 | krz | am installing debian. is the graphical install fine? |
| 10:19.29 | grep0r | pawell_, i think it's just a configuration might something blacklist fglrx |
| 10:19.33 | grep0r | krz, yes |
| 10:19.59 | krz | during install, it said could not download security packages, but can be downloaded next time. is that normal? |
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| 10:20.32 | grep0r | krz, was it from cd or debian installer? |
| 10:20.39 | krz | net installer |
| 10:20.42 | krz | usb |
| 10:20.44 | pawell_ | maybe any way to make configuration back to default ? |
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| 10:22.30 | krz | grep0r: is that fine? |
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| 10:25.33 | krz | anyone? |
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| 10:28.07 | krz | during installation. it asked me if i wanted the debian desktop environment. I'm guessing this is gnome right? |
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| 10:28.35 | Nik05 | the default is gnome, unless you select another one in the beginning |
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| 10:29.37 | krz | if i opt out for debians de, that means i would need to install x, if i wanted to use my own de/wm, right? |
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| 10:29.55 | krz | or is x already installed? |
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| 10:30.56 | Nik05 | krz x is probably not installed if you dont select the desktop environment |
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| 10:31.38 | Nik05 | krz but do you want a Desktop Environment? |
| 10:32.08 | krz | i want i3wm |
| 10:33.34 | Nik05 | krz well then dont install the dekstop invironment and isntall i3-wm yourself |
| 10:33.37 | blaubarschbube | krz, why not installing in text mode, deselect all packages and then run apt-get to install i3wm? it takes you less than 5 minutes |
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| 10:34.03 | grep0r | pawell_, it's better to have open source drivers for ATI (better perfomance) and not fglrx |
| 10:34.20 | krz | ah so xorg will be installed with i3wm |
| 10:34.32 | krz | don't need to install x first |
| 10:34.34 | krz | ? |
| 10:34.39 | Nik05 | krz you can install stuff after the debian install... |
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| 10:34.58 | blaubarschbube | x will be installed as a dependencie |
| 10:35.18 | krz | k |
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| 10:35.55 | krz | installer is fetching packages from mirror. takes a 3-5 hours. currently using the SG miror |
| 10:36.13 | krz | any better mirror out there? regardless of location |
| 10:36.36 | Nik05 | you can try to use http.debian.net as mirror |
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| 10:40.49 | superlinux-hp | hi. I cannot see text when i rename an icon/file in nautilus. what should I do? |
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| 10:41.13 | superlinux-hp | it turns the text background to black |
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| 10:42.12 | krz | no option to change or stop installer to pick a different mirror… unfortunately |
| 10:42.17 | krz | guess ill have to wait it out? |
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| 10:43.39 | grep0r | pawell_, the upgrade might not have replaced all the components that fglrx muddies up. so.. you have to check if /etc/modprobe.d/*.conf have any lines like "black list randeon" |
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| 10:46.05 | babilen | pawell_: How did you install fglrx? Did you follow https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary ? |
| 10:46.31 | pawell_ | aptitude install fglrx-driver |
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| 10:47.25 | babilen | pawell_: What does "apt-cache policy fglrx-driver|tail -n1" give you? |
| 10:47.31 | grep0r | pawell_, why not use open source ones? those are better i believe that caused you the problem at update |
| 10:48.48 | pawell_ | I've already uninstall fglrx |
| 10:49.00 | pawell_ | what's the name of opensource driver ? |
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| 10:51.04 | drhouse123 | pawell_: xf86-ati |
| 10:51.11 | pawell_ | thanks |
| 10:51.30 | babilen | pawell_: Which release of Debian are you tracking? As you are asking in #debian and not in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net I am assuming that you are tracking wheezy (stable), is that correct? |
| 10:51.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell pawell_ -about radeon |
| 10:52.00 | pawell_ | I have a tasting version |
| 10:52.20 | pawell_ | there's no anythink like xf86-ati in repo : | |
| 10:52.22 | grep0r | debian testing/jessie ? |
| 10:52.55 | babilen | Ok, you *have* to mention that and the right channel would be #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (cf. /topic) -- It is not surprising that fglrx doesn't work as this is IIRC the result of recent Xorg ABI changes. radeon should work fine though. |
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| 10:54.34 | babilen | Follow the bots advice and make sure to remove any fglrx specific Xorg configuration you might have created. (the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf you edited earlier) |
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| 10:56.46 | Nik05 | pawell_ xf8-ati is xserver-xorg-video-ati |
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| 10:57.47 | fken | hello. Do you know if there is a way to get a 1:9 resolution with fbdev driver ? |
| 10:58.18 | babilen | grep0r: You don't want xserver-xorg-video-ati but xserver-xorg-video-radeon (and that package is most likely installed already) |
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| 10:59.14 | Nik05 | babilen xserver-xorg-video-ati depends on -radeon i think |
| 10:59.55 | pawell_ | Ok, I have both of them |
| 11:00.17 | Nik05 | yep it does, and i think when you dont have -ati installed you need to add radeon in xorg.conf |
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| 11:00.35 | pawell_ | How to make it working ? In xorg.conf I have " Driver "fglrx" " how to change it ? |
| 11:00.48 | babilen | Nik05: Yes, it does but why pull in xserver-xorg-video-r128 and xserver-xorg-video-mach64 ? I mean one can just install the correct package to begin with. |
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| 11:01.18 | babilen | pawell_: As said earlier: Remove your /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 11:01.32 | Nik05 | and then you need to add Driver "radeon" |
| 11:01.32 | pawell_ | and it will be generated automatically ? |
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| 11:01.45 | Nik05 | (if you dont have the -ati package) |
| 11:01.49 | fken | pawell_: it seems this is no more generated |
| 11:01.50 | babilen | dpkg: tell pawell_ -about empty xorg.conf |
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| 11:02.12 | fken | dpkg: tell fken -about empty xorg.conf |
| 11:02.25 | babilen | fken: "/msg dpkg empty xorg.conf" ;) |
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| 11:03.31 | fken | babilen: thanks |
| 11:03.46 | babilen | pawell_: Xorg configures itself automagically and it is neither recommended nor necessary to use a monolithic /etc/X11/xorg.conf these days. If you do need to configure additional things you should create a minimal file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ as exemplified on https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Configuration |
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| 11:04.54 | fken | babilen: do you know where i could find informations about fbdev 16:9 resolutions ? |
| 11:05.25 | grep0r | (Reverse Depends xserver-xorg-video-ati) |
| 11:05.53 | babilen | fken: No, I would have answered if I had. Sorry. |
| 11:06.14 | babilen | grep0r: What? |
| 11:06.23 | grandie | babilen: what about setting up a dual monitor system, before i had the left of settings in xorg.conf |
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| 11:07.08 | grandie | where do they go now that there is no xorg.conf |
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| 11:07.43 | grep0r | babilen, that's from apt-cache showpkg xserver-xorg-video-radeon (at reversed dependecies) |
| 11:08.08 | Xat` | how can I restrict users from ssh connection ? |
| 11:08.11 | pawell_ | I almost got it working, kdm working, but kde still isn't |
| 11:08.12 | babilen | grandie: Create minimal files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d that contain only the sections you need to configure that. You can also name them semantically (i.e. home-dual-monitor.conf or so) which is IMHO a nicer way to deal with it. A monolithic configuration that configured everything and, in particular, also configures the bits that are configured correctly automagically is at best that, correct. At worst it defines things wrongly that the automatic ... |
| 11:08.18 | babilen | ... configuration would get right. |
| 11:08.21 | Xat` | I want users able to |
| 11:08.36 | Xat` | I want users able to launch a command via ssh but not connect via ssh |
| 11:08.50 | Zap-W | hello! |
| 11:08.50 | Zap-W | how do I forward console messages to print in pty ssh console |
| 11:09.15 | grandie | thankx, i'll do that! |
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| 11:09.21 | pawell_ | I got this first screen with four icons and nothing more |
| 11:09.31 | babilen | grep0r: Yes, xserver-xorg-video-ati depends on xserver-xorg-video-radeon -- but you don't need the other packages it depends on (-r128 or mach64) so there is no need to install this package (if it isn't installed already) but to simply install -radeon to begin with. |
| 11:10.05 | babilen | Xat`: That is not possible, they have to be able to connect if you want them to run commands. |
| 11:10.06 | grep0r | yes babilen true |
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| 11:10.26 | Xat` | babilen: any soft can do that ? |
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| 11:10.51 | Xat` | with a specific shell for instance |
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| 11:11.46 | grep0r | Xat`, they need to have access on shell to run a command |
| 11:12.11 | Xat` | is rssh able to do this job ? |
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| 11:12.35 | babilen | Xat`: You might want to ask in #openssh for alternatives and you might want to look into chrooting the user into a "jail" (check the ChrootDirectory configuration option of OpenSSH) |
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| 11:13.39 | Xat` | ok thank you |
| 11:13.51 | grep0r | Xat`, best way is to run a Virtual Machine for shell access |
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| 11:14.50 | nosklo | I want to install debian in a usb stick. But I want to make it a full install, as opposed to a live install. The usb stick will be permanently inserted into a single machine that doesn't have a hard drive. Can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 11:15.20 | babilen | nosklo: Read the Debian live documentation and pay attention to the bits on persistence |
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| 11:18.10 | nosklo | babilen: when I click on the persistence link in this page http://live.debian.net/manual/stable/html/live-manual/the-basics.en.html#155 it directs me to live.debian.net/manual/stable/html/live-manual/customizing-run-time-behaviours.html#persistencel which is a 404 Not Found |
| 11:18.52 | nosklo | nvm found it. The link is broken though |
| 11:18.54 | grep0r | Xat`, about rssh i dont use and dont know about it security as babilen said better ask at #openssh from rssh There are some potentially serious security implications involved with running rssh website "Please be sure to read about them in the security section" so better be sure what you are doing |
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| 11:20.04 | flami | nosklo: I created debian live usb sticks simply by running the normal installer and installing onto the stick. |
| 11:20.23 | nosklo | flami: that's the thing. I don't want a live usb stick |
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| 11:20.29 | nosklo | I want a normal install, on a usb disk |
| 11:20.36 | flami | yes that's how you do it |
| 11:20.56 | nosklo | wouldn't it be possible to do a normal install, pretending the usb disk is a normal hard disk, instead of doing live? Isn't the whole persistence and copy stuff around and merge partitions a hassle? |
| 11:21.04 | flami | run the normal installer. install onto usb disk |
| 11:21.18 | flami | yes that's what I' trying to tell you :P |
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| 11:21.20 | nosklo | Oh, I see. |
| 11:21.47 | Kriss3d | Hi everyone. I got a Lenovo Edge 2545 and ive installed the jessie version. When i log into desktop after finished install i get an empty screen. It appears to have the wallpaper but no menus or anything.. mouse works |
| 11:21.51 | flami | run installer, install to /dev/your-usb-disk |
| 11:21.52 | nosklo | I run the installer like from a cd or another usb stick flami |
| 11:22.01 | flami | yep |
| 11:22.21 | Rovanion | Is there any documentation for writing /etc/default files? |
| 11:22.23 | nosklo | I'll try, thanks flami |
| 11:22.24 | flami | I installed debian on an usb stick that way . worked perfectly fine |
| 11:22.38 | Kriss3d | What could be wrong ? I can put the mouse in top right corner and somwhere find an invissible menu so i can click restart but after typing in password it just sits there. Seems alot of graphics is missing.. whats wrong ? |
| 11:23.37 | grep0r | Kriss3d, can you on top left activities? (if it is gnome) |
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| 11:24.05 | Kriss3d | Its gnome yes. there is nothing on screen at all except the wallpaper and the mouse |
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| 11:24.31 | Kriss3d | I can find the date menu which is in the center top.. and i can pull it down.. it shows date and all but the menu bar and the menu isnt there |
| 11:24.38 | nosklo | Rovanion: they are configurable values used by init.d scripts |
| 11:24.39 | flami | is tempted to say that its gnome and now even simpler. |
| 11:24.43 | nosklo | Rovanion: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html |
| 11:24.47 | babilen | Kriss3d: How did you install Debian? Which image did you use for the installation? |
| 11:25.09 | Kriss3d | amd64 testing version 7.1 i belive |
| 11:25.34 | grep0r | yes but remember how did you install it was it debian installer?was it a CD/DVD? |
| 11:25.43 | Kriss3d | dvd via usb dvd drive |
| 11:25.59 | Kriss3d | doubt it makes a diffrence but i set up a encrypted LVM |
| 11:26.05 | krz | does debian come with noveau drivers by default? |
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| 11:26.52 | Kriss3d | The stable version seems to work out of the box though. but id just like to have most recent |
| 11:26.55 | Nik05 | krz you can install what you want... |
| 11:27.02 | Rovanion | nosklo: Yes, that is correct. Is there any special format they should follow; I'm writing one. |
| 11:27.31 | Nik05 | krz xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 11:28.30 | nosklo | Rovanion: they should have the same name of the init.d script you're creating; they should contain only environment variable definitions in the format NAME=value one per line. the init.d script should source it and not fail if it is not found. |
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| 11:29.33 | Rovanion | nosklo: I've found one defaults file that contains a line: [General] . Does that hold any special meaning? |
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| 11:30.24 | nosklo | Rovanion: yes, it's weird. All /etc/defaults files I have only contain FOO=bar and comments |
| 11:31.06 | grep0r | Kriss3d, there was a bug back with black screen or everything ok but no icons at desktop |
| 11:31.16 | Rovanion | nosklo: Though it's probably written by a Canonical employee. It's for whoopsie. |
| 11:31.52 | nosklo | Rovanion: well, the policy is only valid for debian packages. It doesn't cover third party. |
| 11:32.03 | Kriss3d | Well i get the little debian logo in red in the bottom. Otherwise the screen is blackish yes. But if i hover mouse around center top i see the date popup. Does that fit the bug describtion ? |
| 11:32.45 | nosklo | Rovanion: you can put whatever you want in /etc/defaults/, but your package probably won't pass certification to be included in official debian repository |
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| 11:33.24 | grep0r | I had that one too but was months before , yes Kriss3d not sure if it is fixed (report was at amd64/gnome) |
| 11:34.12 | nwe | 4 |
| 11:34.16 | Kriss3d | well thats exactly what im using.. amd64/gnome.. I tried all possible window managers there (gnome-flashback, classic, system ) |
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| 11:36.01 | pengunix | Hi! |
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| 11:36.49 | aktau | Hey guys |
| 11:37.01 | aktau | Does anybody know how I can supply multiple conditions to an apt pin? |
| 11:37.17 | aktau | I'm trying for example: Pin: origin "packages.dotdeb.org", release a=wheezy |
| 11:37.25 | aktau | To specify just the wheezy release of dotdeb |
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| 11:37.56 | aktau | But this does not seem to work, now all packages from that repo get the standard 500 instead of the -10 I want to give them |
| 11:38.09 | aktau | If I cut off the "release a=wheezy", it seems to work fine |
| 11:39.08 | krz | nouveau drivers is what i need if i just want the intel vid card and not the discrete right? |
| 11:39.29 | Rovanion | krz: No, they are for the nvidia card. |
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| 11:39.52 | eblip | does anyone use photoshop on wine |
| 11:40.01 | krz | does that mean the nvidia discrete card will still be running in the background? |
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| 11:40.16 | krz | i.e. consuming more battery than it should? |
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| 11:40.45 | Rovanion | krz: That depends. You can turn it on and off with bumblebee https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
| 11:40.55 | krz | i just want it off |
| 11:40.59 | krz | i only use it in windows |
| 11:41.25 | krz | so by default, the discrete vid card is off ya? |
| 11:41.35 | grep0r | Kriss3d, go to server irc.oftc.net channel #debian-next (it is for debian testing/jessie) there was a bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=716748 sounds like that I had it too but I think for others is solved and for others not. Better ask there (for me it was fixed but looks not for all) |
| 11:41.37 | Rovanion | krz: I'm unsure. I actually don't know if the silicon is on if the driver isn't installed. |
| 11:42.20 | Rovanion | krz: I'm in the same situation as you. I tend to have it turned off in BIOS but that's a bit of a hassle. |
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| 11:43.54 | krz | why is it a hassle? Rovanion |
| 11:44.20 | Rovanion | krz: Because it's manual work. |
| 11:44.30 | Rovanion | Have to press buttons and shit :P |
| 11:44.59 | krz | ah, so need to boot, enter bios and manually enable vid hardware, just to switch it on |
| 11:45.05 | krz | doesn't sound too bad hehe |
| 11:45.35 | Rovanion | krz: If you do that you can be pritty damned sure that it's off when you've turned it off in bios. But I'm unsure if it's needed at all. |
| 11:45.55 | Rovanion | I mean it makes sense if the discrete card is powered off if there are no drivers. |
| 11:47.02 | avalarion | Hey ho, I am a Jessie user but need to downgrade PHP... http://blog.wpkg.org/2013/06/20/downgrading-to-php-5-3-on-debian-wheezy-7-0/ |
| 11:47.43 | avalarion | I tried to use this solution, but it did not work for me. I tried to go to the stable relase of php, but instead I still get 5.5.6 which is the testing module... |
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| 11:48.35 | flami | avalarion: in that case you can dive into the pit that is called package pinning . its not pretty , but should work |
| 11:50.01 | avalarion | flami: tried it. Have done "apt-cache show php5-fpm" and found testing and stable in it. Edited /etc/apt/preferences.d/preferences and added Pin: release a=stable to it. But a reinstall is not changing version number... |
| 11:50.46 | flami | avalarion: have you checked what apt-cache policy says? |
| 11:52.04 | avalarion | *** 5.5.6 with a 500 and a 100; 5.4.4 with 600 Package-Pinning is made for 5.4.4, but installation canidate is 5.5.6 O.o |
| 11:52.31 | themill | the full output in a pastebin will be much more comprehensible |
| 11:53.37 | avalarion | themill flami http://pastebin.com/k28JkX7K |
| 11:54.43 | flami | avalarion: first things first. remove php |
| 11:55.57 | avalarion | flami: apt-get remove "php-packages" && apt-get install "php-packages"? |
| 11:57.02 | themill | that blog entry is full of crap so I'd ignore it entirely, btw. |
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| 11:57.12 | flami | avalarion: remove them. check what policy says then. I vaguely remember that already installed packages get higher priority. I am so happy I don't need ot pin anything anymore |
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| 11:57.44 | avalarion | flami: I used Gentoo before, pinning is normal there^^. |
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| 11:58.02 | flami | why downgrade php anyway? |
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| 11:58.29 | flami | dpkg: tell avalarion about Gentoo |
| 11:58.39 | flami | lets see if that still works :P. |
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| 11:59.53 | avalarion | PHP is not automatically refering Objects now, so in an old customer TYPO3 the function name(&$referenceObject) calls are not working anymore... |
| 12:01.04 | pawell_ | I still have problem, when I type the user and the password the first screen with those 4 icons is showing, but then it's like flashing a little bit and nothing is happening, from .xsession-errors "plasma-package /ui/NotificationDelegate/NotificiationDelegate.qml:163:13: QML ITEM: Binding loop detected for property "height" |
| 12:01.37 | pawell_ | and before it kwin blah blah GL_STACK_OVERFLOW |
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| 12:02.58 | avalarion | flami: thanks for your help. I will make the work tonight I guess. Removing PHP on a Production Server at 1pm is not the best option =). |
| 12:03.13 | avalarion | flami: have to got to get meal now, will be back later! |
| 12:03.27 | avalarion | flami: and yes, I got the Gentoo Description ;) |
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| 12:03.36 | pawell_ | full xsession-error : http://fatcat.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~i2peksa/xsession-errors |
| 12:04.40 | themill | avalarion: you're really going to need to fix the things using php quite soon, assuming you don't want to be doing your own security support for that old php. |
| 12:04.51 | flami | avalarion: well , have fun ... I wonder how many unfixed security bugs that typo3 has. |
| 12:05.07 | flami | hah themill, we think alike |
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| 12:05.54 | avalarion | ^^ old TYPO3 Core, what shall I do? Important customers are always able to fu** your daily buisness... |
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| 12:06.25 | flami | avalarion: if you realllyy need to support ancient stuff, you might want to start virtualizing and using containers. when some webapp breaks on my server I can mess with it without any problems to the others |
| 12:06.31 | Mogget | I am getting a lot of segfaults when running evolution in stable; Backports has the same version of evolution. Any good suggestions for what I can do next to solve this? |
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| 12:06.54 | Mogget | I am also considering going to an older version, but I do not how to do this cleanly with wheezy. |
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| 12:07.22 | Mogget | * I do not know how |
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| 12:08.05 | themill | avalarion: moving to a supported version of typo3 might be necessary (like the one in wheezy, even :) |
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| 12:42.28 | fishcooker | how to test quality of network connection between 2 box? |
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| 12:44.33 | grep0r | ping,traceroute,send files from box a to b are some examples |
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| 12:48.42 | grep0r | fishcooker, you probably need a tool to diagnose and do the tests,stats etc mtr is one. |
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| 13:06.56 | katana- | hello |
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| 13:07.14 | katana- | I have to run the command xset -b to turn off the painful bell every time I log in, Is there a way to make it happen automatically instead? |
| 13:07.27 | katana- | I tried putting the command in .Xsession but then I couldn'tlog in |
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| 13:12.13 | fken | katana-: no sure if i understood : what's the bell you're speaking about. Is it the pc speaker ? |
| 13:12.43 | katana- | the beep |
| 13:12.52 | katana- | it is very loud and painful so i want to turn it off completely |
| 13:12.57 | fken | katana-: if so, then try to type rmmod pcspkr |
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| 13:13.34 | katana- | okay |
| 13:13.45 | katana- | thanks |
| 13:14.16 | fken | don't forget to remove the load of this module at boot otherwise it will come again each time you light your computer on |
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| 13:15.37 | katana- | okay ill try, thank you |
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| 13:18.38 | Voyager_MP | can anyone tell me how I compile a kernel module without recompiling the whole kernel ? |
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| 13:21.16 | fken | Voyager_MP: everytime i compiled my kernel again, it required less time. I don't know how to compile only one module however, i dont think you'll compile the whole kernel each time you type make |
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| 13:22.21 | Voyager_MP | I know, but now I have to build a kernel on a Atom, the compiling only one module will be much faster... |
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| 13:22.54 | fken | Voyager_MP: ok. Then the question is still opened :) good luck |
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| 13:23.09 | Stygia | Hey. |
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| 13:23.16 | Stygia | I have some problems using Wine with 3D acceleration on my Jessie box. |
| 13:23.24 | Stygia | I have had it working on this system before. |
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| 13:23.44 | petern_ | Stygia, missing 32bit libs probably |
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| 13:25.35 | Stygia | I am using an AMD64 box, with with :i386 wine. I also have libwine-gl:i386 and such. However, trying to run any game with WINE gives me either errors about missing OpenGL libraries, or something like 'No matching mode found' from Xrandr. I believe there is no longer a ia32libs package. |
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| 13:25.40 | Stygia | Anyone have a clue as to what specifically I need to install? I have libdrm:i386 packages and such, but seemingly cannot get it to work. |
| 13:25.52 | Stygia | glxinfo | grep direct rendering gives me 'yes'. |
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| 13:26.20 | Stygia | petern_, Which ones, though? Any clues? |
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| 13:26.32 | themill | Stygia: do you have the amd64 version of libgl1-mesa-glx? how about the i386 version? |
| 13:27.07 | Stygia | themill, I have libgl1-mesa-glx:i386. |
| 13:27.09 | Stygia | Should I have the amd64 version? |
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| 13:27.49 | Stygia | Just as a sidenote, Minecraft (which uses Java and not Wine) works, thus why I suspect WINE of missing a library or something somewhere. |
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| 13:28.43 | petern_ | java will be 64bit |
| 13:28.46 | Stygia | I could supply any requested info if someone suspects it's not just libs. |
| 13:29.04 | Stygia | petern_, Well.... true. But it should at least demonstrate that 3D acceleration is working. |
| 13:29.05 | Stygia | I think. |
| 13:29.06 | aktau | I've added another repository and apt-get dist-upgrade wants to install some new packages I didn't expect |
| 13:29.16 | aktau | How do I force apt-get to explain why it's installing certain packages? |
| 13:29.28 | aktau | i.e.: pulled in as dependency of <package>, or something like that |
| 13:29.33 | petern_ | Are you on nvidia? |
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| 13:30.26 | Stygia | petern_, No, Intel. |
| 13:30.45 | Stygia | petern_, Should I dump my lspci? |
| 13:30.54 | petern_ | No |
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| 13:31.33 | themill | aktau: aptitude has -W and -D options that are handy\ |
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| 13:32.29 | Stygia | petern_, Any suggestion as to how I should proceed? I have installed the :i386 libraries I thought were necessary. |
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| 13:32.33 | Stygia | But clearly I am lacking something. |
| 13:32.46 | Stygia | Suppose I could dpkg --get-selections | grep i386 and pastebin that? Or? |
| 13:34.11 | aktau | \quit |
| 13:35.40 | Stygia | Any advice is appreciated, even if that advice is to ask at #wine |
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| 13:38.58 | petern_ | Honestly, I don't know which packages are needed. |
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| 13:39.17 | Stygia | Fair enough! |
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| 13:42.00 | gregc2 | Any bind experts here? I have a debian bind server. I would like unqualified queries to go against a zone I have setup. I had it working in an old setup, but i cant seem to figure out what im doing wrong... |
| 13:42.12 | abrotman | there's a #dns |
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| 13:45.38 | TomasCZ | gregc2, play with allow-query {}; in options section or in that or that zone section. Other approach involves using view { match-clients {}; zone aa.com{...}; .... } |
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| 13:46.49 | gregc2 | will give #dns a try. ThomasJ|d. I am looking at the orgin directive. I havnt played with allow query too much. Do you have any url or documentation I could find |
| 13:46.50 | gregc2 | on that |
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| 14:07.59 | o1e | gregc2: afaik default domain could (only) be set on client sides resolv.conf |
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| 14:08.09 | gregc2 | rgr |
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| 14:08.37 | gregc2 | In AD dns this is possible |
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| 14:08.47 | gregc2 | maybe time to look at a different dns server |
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| 14:15.09 | AmvoZero | Hello, I have an atheros wireless card on my laptop (AR242x) which is loaded with ath5k module, it is properly identified, network is up, but can't scan for access points, when i use iwlist scanning, it doesn't return any access point for connection. Any help? |
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| 14:16.22 | AmvoZero | I have seen plenty of results on google about this card but those generally blame rfkill, but my card isn't hard blocked nor soft blocked. |
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| 14:16.38 | Insayne | hello, i want to remove a package, but find myself unable to do so. when i apt-get -f purge it, it fails telling me i should reinstall, when i try to reinstall, it fails too |
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| 14:22.26 | jelly | dpkg, tell Insayne about basic apt troubleshooting |
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| 14:24.11 | bl4ckdu5t | Last time I asked about how to format drives, someone told dpkg to tell me about mkfs. Well! I've read a man on mkfs and I still don't get it |
| 14:24.41 | bl4ckdu5t | How can I format a drive from the terminal because there's even no GUI option I've seen either |
| 14:25.07 | AmvoZero | gparted is a GUI solution for that. |
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| 14:29.24 | Penix | bl4ckdu5t: what is it that you don't get? 'mkfs.<fstype> <device>' |
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| 14:29.33 | o1e | bl4ckdu5t: format or partition, what u try? |
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| 14:30.27 | AmvoZero | bl4ckdu5t: this link tells a lot about partitions and usage of mkfs command with examples http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=282018 |
| 14:30.54 | AmvoZero | sorry, about formatting* |
| 14:31.12 | bl4ckdu5t | o1e: Format |
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| 14:31.34 | jelly | bl4ckdu5t: "Formatting" means "creating a filesystem structure on (a portion of) a suitable block device. If you have a new physical disk, you might have to slice it into suitable smaller parts -- create a partition table, first. |
| 14:31.45 | beardy | There is no "formatting" done on media nowadays.. you create a partition table, then you create filesystems to live within the partitions. |
| 14:32.27 | jelly | oh yeah, previously it meant preparing the physical device by writing sectors and tracks. |
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| 14:33.03 | o1e | bl4ckdu5t: so like Penix told u, mkfs.<fstype> is your friend |
| 14:34.17 | bl4ckdu5t | I can't run mkfs. It fails to execute command. |
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| 14:34.36 | Penix | bl4ckdu5t: mkfs.something or just mkfs? |
| 14:34.40 | beardy | bl4ckdu5t: If this is a new disk, USB-storage device, SD-card or something simillar, you might want to create a partition table on it first, with cfdisk or fdisk. After that you use mkfs.<filesystem> to create a filesystem, as adviced above. |
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| 14:36.33 | beardy | bl4ckdu5t: This needs to be done as root, and you need to understand what you are doing before you do it, otherwise you can erase your current system. cfdisk, fdisk and mkfs takes a device file as their argument, and you have to be sure to use the right one. |
| 14:36.44 | bl4ckdu5t | Penix: just mkfs |
| 14:37.07 | bl4ckdu5t | what's the fstype gonna be? |
| 14:37.30 | beardy | bl4ckdu5t: What kind of media is it and what will you use it for? |
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| 14:37.41 | Penix | bl4ckdu5t: depends what type of filesystem you want |
| 14:38.08 | bl4ckdu5t | It's a flash drive and I just want to use it to transfer files. Sometimes to run bootable iso |
| 14:38.09 | Penix | bl4ckdu5t: do you want to mount the drive under just linux, or other systems like windows? |
| 14:38.42 | Penix | bl4ckdu5t: if you want to run a bootable iso from the drive, you don't need/want a filesystem. you'll write the image directly to the drive |
| 14:39.08 | bl4ckdu5t | I want something that'll work on all platforms. My colleagues use windows |
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| 14:39.15 | Penix | bl4ckdu5t: mkfs.vfat then |
| 14:39.17 | fken | does anyone know about vnc? I need to make it possible to connect to a xserver display without having to ask permission to the user (NB : I am not using a desktop / windows manager and I am directly connected to a java -jar process |
| 14:39.38 | beardy | bl4ckdu5t: If the image is smaller than the drive you can however create a second partition and filesystem on it too. |
| 14:40.45 | bl4ckdu5t | fken: Just saying, saying 'Does anyone know about VNC?' may sound like an insult to the intelligence of does that know it well here. It's a support channel, definitely, there are people who know i |
| 14:41.05 | jelly | fken: an already running X server on console or using the normal unixy way of letting the vnc server run its own X server? |
| 14:41.41 | beardy | Sounds like the first. |
| 14:41.53 | twobitsprite | does anyone know if there's a way to configure fetchmail to deliver mail to a different maildir other than the standard location in the home directory? |
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| 14:42.07 | jelly | sure, but also sounds like the user might not know how vncserver works on unix |
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| 14:42.09 | twobitsprite | I'm not finding anything in the manpage... |
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| 14:43.59 | bl4ckdu5t | penix: I tried "$ sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdd1". and it says it contains a file system already |
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| 14:44.19 | Freeaqingme | hi folks. I dont have any *release* file in /etc, and no lsb_release package. What's the suggested way of determining the debian version? I know it's squeeze, but I'd like to determine that using a bash script |
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| 14:45.27 | jelly | dpkg, tell Freeaqingme about debian suite |
| 14:46.11 | jelly | Freeaqingme: contents of sources.list and versions of dpkg and libc6 packages are good clues |
| 14:46.15 | Freeaqingme | jelly, thanks |
| 14:46.44 | Freeaqingme | yeah, I know the clues (it's a squeeze box), but I'd like some command that returns 'squeeze'. Using apt sources is kinda hacky |
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| 14:47.33 | jelly | step 1) install lsb-release package :-D |
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| 14:47.46 | Freeaqingme | hmz, that's just a package? Thanks =) |
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| 14:48.46 | Freeaqingme | hmz, lsb-release already is installed. But there's no *release* file in /etc |
| 14:49.14 | fken | sorry. I've been disconnected. That's what's happened when you type reboot in the wrong windows of your computer :) |
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| 14:50.16 | Insayne | hm |
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| 14:51.08 | Penix | Freeaqingme: /etc/debian_version |
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| 14:51.37 | Freeaqingme | Penix, that only gives me a version number. Is there any resource that translates that to the version name? |
| 14:51.38 | jelly | Freeaqingme: did you read everything the bot told you in the private message? |
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| 14:51.51 | Freeaqingme | jelly, I believe I did |
| 14:51.52 | Insayne | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/69978/ |
| 14:51.59 | fken | I've quickly seen someone told me he felt insulted by the fact I asked if anyone know about vnc server configuration. I'm a bit confused because I'm not used to configure vnc server, especially when I have no windows manager and when I am using a local repository with a minimal number of configuration tools |
| 14:52.34 | jelly | fken: it's best to ignore the non-technical comments |
| 14:52.56 | Penix | fken: what do you mean by 'no window manager'? you're running an X session, right? |
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| 14:53.27 | fken | Penix: xinitrc executes directly java -jar XXXX command |
| 14:53.37 | Penix | fken: so, yes, you're running X |
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| 14:53.43 | fken | jelly: you're right. |
| 14:53.44 | Penix | fken: and you want to access that existing X session via vnc? |
| 14:54.03 | fken | Penix yes |
| 14:54.12 | Penix | fken: the window manager doesn't matter |
| 14:54.24 | fken | Penix: i said no windows manager not no xserver |
| 14:54.30 | Penix | fken: yes, I know |
| 14:54.36 | Penix | fken: that's my point |
| 14:54.41 | jelly | fken: are you aware that vnc4server brings its own X session up at start, and that you can run apps in that instead of at the console? |
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| 14:54.50 | Penix | fken: the window manager, or lack of, doesn't make a difference |
| 14:55.14 | Insayne | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/69979/ better/complete paste |
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| 14:55.22 | Xat` | how to force dpkg to create configuration files deleted ? |
| 14:55.25 | Penix | fken: you can do what jelly mentioned, or run something like x11vnc to access an existing X session |
| 14:55.27 | Xat` | when reinstall |
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| 14:57.30 | jelly | Insayne: two things: you probably want to deal with apache2.2-common, the underlying package, not apache2. Second, Raspbian is not Debian, use the #raspbian channel for help |
| 14:57.39 | Insayne | okay |
| 14:57.43 | fken | jelly: I use tightvncserver. just before rebooting I've been able to connect to a xserver but it was a kind of simple windows manager with a term window opened. I need to connect to a xserver in order to be able to support a user. Is it possible and how ? |
| 14:57.46 | Insayne | but the same issue would apply, so i wonder |
| 14:57.51 | Insayne | how can i get rid of that package ? |
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| 14:58.24 | fken | Penix: I think your last comments was closed to what i need |
| 14:58.32 | Insayne | thanks though ^^ |
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| 14:59.11 | jelly | Insayne: if "dpkg -P apache2.2-common" does not work even after adding --force-depends, you will probably have to reinstall it with something like "dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/apache2.2-common_...deb" first |
| 14:59.20 | fken | Penix: I'm sure people will ask me to make it possible to connect to the linux xserver session from a MS windows software |
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| 14:59.44 | Penix | fken: shouldn't matter what OS they're using. vnc is vnc |
| 15:00.14 | fken | Penix: x11vnc is in vnc protocol ? |
| 15:00.29 | Penix | fken: yes, note the 'vnc' part |
| 15:00.32 | jelly | fken: yeah, that simple session was what tightvncserver started. The idea is to start the vnc server as the user that will run the java "service" in it |
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| 15:01.03 | jelly | fken: and then run your app inside / instead of the defualt simple X session |
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| 15:01.43 | jelly | the other idea is to do it windows-like and start x11vnc and let it attach to an already running X server |
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| 15:04.02 | fken | jelly: ok then i should modify xserverrc in order to start x11vnc instead of /usr/bin/X ? |
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| 15:04.27 | Penix | fken: no |
| 15:04.49 | Penix | fken: start an X session, then run x11vnc |
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| 15:05.10 | Penix | fken: read the manpage for instructions on things like authentication if required |
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| 15:05.22 | fken | Penix: startx && x11vnc then |
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| 15:06.30 | fken | Penix: ok thank you |
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| 15:06.39 | AmvoZero | Hello, I have an atheros wireless card on my laptop (AR242x) which is loaded with ath5k module, it is properly identified, network is up, but can't scan for access points, when i use iwlist scanning, it doesn't return any access point for connection. I have seen plenty of results on google about this card but those generally blame rfkill, but my card isn't hard blocked nor soft blocked. Any help? |
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| 15:07.20 | cusco | hi folks |
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| 15:07.36 | cusco | I tried confmiss options but it still states: Not replacing deleted config file ... |
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| 15:07.54 | cusco | how can I force dpkg to re-create the file? |
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| 15:08.17 | cusco | aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall package-name |
| 15:08.34 | jelly | cusco: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 15:08.42 | jelly | right |
| 15:08.45 | cusco | I did, and took it out from there |
| 15:08.53 | jelly | !win cusco |
| 15:08.53 | dpkg | Congratulations, cusco! You have won the US presidency! |
| 15:09.07 | cusco | jelly: but that is what I did in the first place |
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| 15:09.08 | jelly | now fix the surveillance debacle |
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| 15:09.20 | jelly | cusco: and it failed to work? |
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| 15:09.31 | cusco | it still states "Not replacing deleted config file" |
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| 15:09.46 | necronian_ | Is there a way to build packages that works more like an ebuild or pkgbuild? Create a control file with the source location, build directives, etc then have it spit out a .deb? |
| 15:10.01 | jelly | cusco: that is unusual, pastebin the full command and output? |
| 15:10.40 | jelly | apologies for my not being able to read |
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| 15:14.31 | fken | jelly: Penix : in fact x11vnc is not in my local portage. I need to add it to my local repository (customized cdrom). Is there anything else I should ad to the repository before burning the cdrom again? |
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| 15:15.45 | jelly | nothing important comes to mind |
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| 15:16.13 | jelly | apart from "use usb sticks while testing out stuff instead of burning CDs" |
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| 15:17.25 | fken | jelly: actually I used virtualbox for most of my tests. And now I am using a rewritable dvdrw |
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| 15:22.07 | drhouse123 | fken: why not usb flash drive ? |
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| 15:22.57 | jelly | doesn't really matter, does it |
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| 15:23.06 | jelly | it was just a tangential comment |
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| 15:26.00 | fken | drhouse123: because the only one I have on me contains important data and because the target medium will be this dvdrw |
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| 15:37.38 | krz | so i installed debian, with debian DE |
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| 15:37.51 | krz | i login as root, but don't have wifi to install xorg |
| 15:37.58 | krz | how can i setup wifi? |
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| 15:38.52 | rozie | you probably need non-free firmware or configure your wifi card to use driver included in kernel |
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| 15:39.11 | rozie | krz: show lspci output for network card pls |
| 15:39.51 | krz | intel centurion advanced-n 6230 rev 34 |
| 15:40.28 | krz | centrino* |
| 15:40.57 | krz | i installed with the non-free firmware via usb. that worked out fine |
| 15:41.22 | krz | now that i have the debian system installed, i need to manually install things like i3wm |
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| 15:41.29 | krz | but can't do that without inet |
| 15:41.58 | jhutchins | !wifi |
| 15:41.58 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 15:42.14 | teraflop | krz: look at the wiki how to confgure wifi on the /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 15:42.15 | rozie | you can add firmware via usb. just copy and install deb package |
| 15:42.51 | jhutchins | rozie: The majority of wifi chipsets don't need firmware. |
| 15:43.17 | krz | so your saying. copy the firmware into a usb stick. mount the usb stick and install it ? |
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| 15:44.13 | krz | teraflop: you referring to this wiki right: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 15:46.21 | rozie | jhutchins: good to know. have habit of installing firmware for wifi card matching vendor |
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| 15:47.00 | teraflop | krz: i imeant https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse but if your card is already detected |
| 15:47.06 | rozie | a few years ago it was different and most cards needed firmware or was I just unlucky? |
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| 15:48.33 | krz | im confused |
| 15:48.35 | krofna | even today most cards need firmware; iirc only atheros (very rare) doesnt need. |
| 15:48.43 | krz | just tell me what i need to do |
| 15:48.55 | krz | should i be looking at the wiki, if so which one? |
| 15:49.00 | krz | https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi this? |
| 15:49.15 | krz | by wifi detected, as in because it is listed in lspci? |
| 15:49.21 | krofna | krz: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-linux-nonfree or http://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 15:50.16 | krofna | maybe even http://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-realtek , who knows? |
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| 15:51.06 | krz | zzz |
| 15:51.31 | krz | so https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi says 6230 is supported |
| 15:51.55 | krz | now ill ask again, what do i need to do. stop posting random links |
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| 15:54.18 | krofna | krz: download package from http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/firmware-iwlwifi/download , and install it with dpkg -i <name>.deb |
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| 15:54.38 | krz | thanks |
| 15:55.30 | jhutchins | rozie: I'm going to say unlucky, but it's really just a matter of chance. It's always been a minority that needed firmware. It's cheaper to build that way. |
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| 15:56.18 | jhutchins | krofna: I've had five laptops in recent years, none of which needed firmware for the wifi. |
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| 15:56.38 | krofna | jhutchins: extreme luck. I am yet to see a laptop which doesnt need nonfree firmware |
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| 15:57.07 | jhutchins | krofna: It's not just luck, look at the documentation for the chipsets that are supported. |
| 15:57.10 | nanoSeconds | test# |
| 15:57.37 | jhutchins | krofna: Six laptops ago, back around 2007, I couldn't get firmware to work for the Dell I had. |
| 15:58.03 | jhutchins | krofna: I know they're out there, but it shouldn't be the first assumption without checking to see WHICH chipset it is. |
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| 15:58.42 | DeepBlue | how can i get Mate DE? |
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| 15:59.15 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell DeepBlue about mate |
| 15:59.25 | Wizzzzzard | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.46 | krz | krofna: for my future reference. is there a wiki that explains this somewhere? |
| 15:59.58 | jhutchins | Wizzzzzard: aptitude -f install? |
| 16:00.03 | krz | i.e. download the firmware and install via dpkg commnd |
| 16:00.18 | Wizzzzzard | jhutchins is that different from apt-get -f install |
| 16:00.22 | petn-randall | Wizzzzzard: We'll need more info from you. |
| 16:00.27 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell Wizzzzzard -about bat |
| 16:00.48 | jelly | dpkg, tell Wizzzzzard about basic apt troubleshooting |
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| 16:00.53 | jelly | slow |
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| 16:01.05 | petn-randall | 1, jelly 0 |
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| 16:01.11 | petn-randall | ;) |
| 16:01.22 | jelly | I just try to avoid bats |
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| 16:02.48 | Wizzzzzard | Erm for the policy do you want me to do apt-cache policy (package I have issue installing or the package it errors about when it try to install anything) |
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| 16:03.16 | jhutchins | !tell Wizzzzzard about why aptitude |
| 16:03.40 | petn-randall | Wizzzzzard: We'd like to see the output of 'apt-cache policy', and then also 'apt-cache policy <anypackageyouhavetroublewith>' |
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| 16:04.33 | Wizzzzzard | OH |
| 16:04.49 | Wizzzzzard | i thought apt-get was like an alias for apt |
| 16:04.51 | Wizzzzzard | i mean |
| 16:04.55 | Wizzzzzard | aptitude |
| 16:05.14 | Wizzzzzard | wow thanks guys |
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| 16:05.51 | krz | krofna: now that I've installed the firmware. what do i do next? |
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| 16:16.06 | krz | common guys! |
| 16:16.19 | krz | in arch or ubuntu, people actually know something |
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| 16:17.33 | teraflop | krz: read the f****** random wikis we pasted before :) |
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| 16:17.50 | krz | teraflop: dude i f**** have |
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| 16:18.02 | krz | its all a lot of random information |
| 16:18.05 | gregc2 | seems to be some asterid problem |
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| 16:18.10 | gregc2 | asterik problem* |
| 16:18.15 | teraflop | krz: is your wifi detected? |
| 16:18.15 | gregc2 | here in this channel |
| 16:18.19 | krz | yes! |
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| 16:18.28 | teraflop | iwconfig says something krz ? |
| 16:18.34 | krz | if you mean it is listed in lspci, then yes |
| 16:18.38 | teraflop | nop |
| 16:18.40 | teraflop | iwconfig says something krz ? |
| 16:19.10 | krz | wlan0 ESSID:off/any |
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| 16:19.16 | teraflop | ok |
| 16:19.17 | krz | and a bunch of other stuff |
| 16:19.29 | krz | would like to paste. but I'm on my other machine |
| 16:19.41 | teraflop | krz: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 16:20.13 | teraflop | its a short wiki as you like :) |
| 16:20.34 | krz | at /etc/network/interfaces what do i put for the [MODE] |
| 16:20.54 | teraflop | what nide are you using? |
| 16:20.58 | teraflop | s/mode |
| 16:21.14 | krz | you mean like wpa? |
| 16:21.29 | krz | what does mode even mean, in this context |
| 16:21.51 | teraflop | krz: are you using wpa? |
| 16:22.10 | krz | you mean like security mode? |
| 16:22.22 | teraflop | i mean wpa o wep or nothing |
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| 16:23.23 | krz | hard to say. its not my wifi |
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| 16:23.32 | krz | how do i figure this out. admin/owner is out of town |
| 16:23.48 | krz | but it does have a password |
| 16:23.50 | teraflop | scan the acces point ad see what is using |
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| 16:24.03 | Strogg | Hi. |
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| 16:24.27 | Strogg | Not asking any questions, or complaining about anything. Just came to say Hi. :) |
| 16:24.32 | krz | teraflop: assuming its wpa do i put in wpa? |
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| 16:24.41 | krz | in square brackets? quotes? |
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| 16:24.53 | teraflop | krz: jump to |
| 16:24.58 | krz | the same for [ESSID] |
| 16:24.59 | teraflop | WPA-PSK and WPA2-PSK section 3 |
| 16:25.24 | teraflop | and be sure you have installed wpa_supplicant |
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| 16:26.04 | krz | i can install that later |
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| 16:26.09 | krz | i don't have wifi remember |
| 16:26.16 | teraflop | krz: sorry |
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| 16:26.47 | krz | they should have added wpa_supplicant or even iw into the core |
| 16:26.50 | krz | installation |
| 16:26.53 | krz | packages |
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| 16:27.05 | krz | *core installation packages* |
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| 16:27.11 | krz | would have made things A LOT easier |
| 16:27.20 | krz | arch does this |
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| 16:27.31 | teraflop | krz: keep using arch |
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| 16:27.47 | krz | i really wanna give debian a try |
| 16:27.54 | teraflop | and no, you have to ibstall wpa_supplicant in arch |
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| 16:28.46 | teraflop | base does not include wpa_supplicant in arch |
| 16:29.44 | krz | teraflop: actually you are right, think it was wifi-menu that was installed in base |
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| 16:29.51 | teraflop | sure |
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| 16:30.36 | krz | teraflop: so wireless-mode wpa-psk |
| 16:30.45 | krz | if using wpa right? |
| 16:31.35 | fken | I'm using xinitrc in order to start a java application directly instead of using a windows manager and I have installed every xserver-xorg-input-* packages. But when i use startx the mouse doesn't move while there is no error message in Xorg.0.log file. Do you have an advice for me? |
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| 16:31.57 | teraflop | yes krz |
| 16:32.09 | jhutchins | fken: What could the java app have to do with it? |
| 16:32.10 | teraflop | jump to WPA-PSK and WPA2-PSK section 3 |
| 16:32.21 | krz | do i need to specify the key/password? |
| 16:32.32 | krz | teraflop: section 3 is for wpa_supplicant though |
| 16:32.32 | teraflop | sure krz |
| 16:32.40 | jhutchins | fken: If you think it might be something, take it out and see. |
| 16:32.59 | teraflop | please krz read more tha 2 lines |
| 16:32.59 | fken | jhutchins: it's more the fact xinitrc contains only a exec java -jar XXX line |
| 16:33.05 | teraflop | s/than |
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| 16:33.27 | jhutchins | fken: If you think that has something to do with it, move/rename the xinitrc file and see if it changes. |
| 16:33.36 | jhutchins | fken: Do you have gpm installed? |
| 16:34.20 | jelly | gpm should not have anything to do with xorg handling of input devices |
| 16:34.41 | fken | jhutchins: no. |
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| 16:35.24 | krz | teraflop: thanks. i appreciate your patience |
| 16:35.30 | krz | it works now |
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| 16:36.26 | jhutchins | jelly: Looking for a different way to test the mouse. |
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| 16:37.23 | fken | jhutchins: I am using a minimalistic local repository, then apt-cache search gpm only returns libgpm2 |
| 16:37.26 | krz | teraflop: am curious. what would you recommend for making wifi discovery easier to manage? i.e. like if I'm moving from one inet cafe to the next? |
| 16:37.47 | jhutchins | ,versions gpm |
| 16:37.48 | judd | Package: gpm on i386 -- squeeze: 1.20.4-3.3; wheezy: 1.20.4-6; jessie: 1.20.4-6.1; sid: 1.20.4-6.1 |
| 16:38.00 | jhutchins | fken: It's a console mouse daemon. |
| 16:38.03 | krz | wicd or other? |
| 16:38.19 | teraflop | krz: what DE are you using |
| 16:38.20 | teraflop | ? |
| 16:38.26 | krz | i3wm teraflop |
| 16:38.33 | jhutchins | krz: Generally network-manager works better than wicd since squeeze. |
| 16:38.43 | teraflop | youll really miss wifi-menu |
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| 16:38.59 | teraflop | give a try to wicd krz |
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| 16:39.27 | krz | why would i miss wifi-menu? |
| 16:39.28 | fken | jhutchins: I dont know if i get your answer: are you asking me to install gpm , |
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| 16:39.51 | fken | *? |
| 16:40.18 | teraflop | wicd will be fine krz |
| 16:41.48 | krz | y'all use aptitude install foobar or apt-get foobar |
| 16:42.50 | krz | i meant apt-get install foobar |
| 16:43.09 | Xat` | I have a perl script which use some perl modules . This script must be launched into a chrooted environment, do you have an idea how to chroot perl and its modules ? |
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| 16:46.05 | jordanm | Xat`: chroot /my/chroot /path/to/perl/code |
| 16:46.30 | jordanm | Xat`: are you sure you don't want perlbrew instead? |
| 16:47.40 | Xat` | jordanm: yeah perlbrew could be the solution |
| 16:47.45 | Xat` | I didn't know it |
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| 16:50.18 | heedly | How would I find what package a binary is in? |
| 16:50.49 | fken | jhutchins: the way I configured xinitrc removed to possibility to use ctrl maj f[2-8]; All I have is ssh access in order to type commands. I installed gpm but I dont know how to use it |
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| 16:51.48 | fken | jhutchins: in fact, i just rebooted the computer and now mouse is available. Is it what you expected ? |
| 16:51.53 | Xat` | heedly: dpkg -S /bin/ls |
| 16:51.54 | krz | it says Note: as of wheezy it is fine to have your wireless interface in /etc/network/interfaces (it might even be required, not sure) |
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| 16:52.14 | krz | by wireless interface, iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
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| 16:52.26 | krz | without the essid and other infer right? |
| 16:53.01 | jhutchins | fken: Well, I was wondering if the system were seeing the mouse at the hardware level, and that seemed a pretty easy way to check if it was installed. Now it is, and you know the mouse works and the system sees it, so it narrows the question to why x doesn't respond. |
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| 16:53.23 | jhutchins | fken: Does it report events in xev? |
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| 16:54.01 | fken | jhutchins: in fact, the mouse works correctly since i rebooted (after gpm installation). Is it normal ? |
| 16:54.09 | jhutchins | krz: You can either configure your networking in the interfaces file or use network-manager or wicd to manage it. |
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| 16:54.17 | Xat` | jordanm: the environment is the same for all users, I need the same perl version and same modules |
| 16:54.30 | Xat` | just need all of this into a chrooted env |
| 16:54.36 | jhutchins | fken: Yes it's normal for the mouse to work <grin>. |
| 16:54.37 | heedly | Xat`: thanks |
| 16:54.47 | fken | jhutchins: (this is a details but I had to make a hard reboot) |
| 16:54.59 | jhutchins | fken: It probably was something unrelated to gpm, but hey, working is what we were after, right? |
| 16:55.11 | krz | jhutchins: do i need the wlan iface in /etc/network/interfaces if i am using wick? |
| 16:55.13 | krz | wicd* |
| 16:55.24 | jhutchins | krz: I believe you do not. |
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| 16:56.16 | fken | jhutchins: of course :) I'm just surprised: I was thinking it would need more time to detect where the problem is (thinking gpm would just help us to make a diagnostic, not to fix the problem) |
| 16:56.21 | jhutchins | krz: The one time I tried wicd it didn't see my network card; all I've used is network-manager. |
| 16:56.32 | fken | jhutchins: then thank you for your support jhutchins |
| 16:57.22 | jhutchins | fken: Glad it's working for you. |
| 16:58.52 | heedly | A ./configure is looking for a fontconfig binary, but everything related looks like just config files. What should I do? |
| 16:59.11 | wols | for what binary does it look? |
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| 17:01.17 | krz | hmmm, so i installed i3, via apt-get install i3. created an ~/.xinitrc file, with exec i3. i type startx and get startx command not found |
| 17:01.32 | krz | i thought i3 would have installed x already? |
| 17:01.37 | heedly | wols: fontconfig |
| 17:02.03 | wols | !tell heedly about search |
| 17:02.29 | heedly | wols: I already searched for it, it's not in a package |
| 17:02.52 | wols | from the looks of it this is ancient stuff |
| 17:03.00 | babilen | krz: No, why should it? |
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| 17:03.05 | babilen | dpkg: tell krz -about install x |
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| 17:03.53 | babilen | krz: That being said: You also don't want to start it that way, as you want to make sure that both dbus and consolekit are initialised correctly. The easiest way to do this is to install (and use) a displaymanager such gdm3 or lightdm. |
| 17:04.54 | babilen | krz: A different method would be to use "exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch i3" in your ~/.xsession (which is preferred on Debian over ~/.xinitrc), but that method had bugs in the past and using a DM is probably your best bet. |
| 17:06.15 | krz | ok, thanks for pointing this out |
| 17:06.22 | krz | maybe it should be mentioned in the wiki as welll |
| 17:06.40 | babilen | krz: If you *really* insist on starting Xorg from a tty (will you ever do anything apart from logging in and typing "startx") then please ensure that libpam-ck-connector is installed. You might, in that case, not necessarily need the ck-launch-session but I haven't played with that in a while. Test yourself and verify that ck-list-sessions lists sessions as expected. |
| 17:07.19 | krz | ill go with lightdm |
| 17:07.28 | babilen | good |
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| 17:10.56 | krz | after installing xorg. no need to configure it right? default is fine? |
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| 17:11.54 | reavengrey | "Should be" |
| 17:12.37 | babilen | krz: Which GPU do you have? (lspci -nn|grep -i vga) |
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| 17:13.26 | krz | babilen: intel centrino 6230 and nvidia 680m 4gb |
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| 17:15.49 | krz | babilen: does that answer your question? |
| 17:15.56 | krz | can't paste as i am on a diff machine atm |
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| 17:16.23 | babilen | krz: Is that an optimus setup? |
| 17:16.33 | krz | babilen: yea |
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| 17:16.55 | babilen | krz: You might want to install the Nvidia driver from experimental and look into bumblebee |
| 17:17.04 | babilen | krz: err |
| 17:17.14 | babilen | krz: No, not experimental! What was I thinking? |
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| 17:17.22 | krz | heard nvidia was unstable |
| 17:17.30 | krz | currently on nouveau, i believe |
| 17:18.05 | krz | doesn't bumblebee work on nouvea? |
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| 17:18.15 | teraflop | it does |
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| 17:18.33 | babilen | krz: I meant wheezy-backports :) -- See https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for instructions on that, but you want nvidia-kernel-dkms from backports. See http://backports.debian.org/ (→ Instructions for help with that) and check https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee for bumblebee specific documentation. |
| 17:19.04 | babilen | krz: If you are happy with nouveau then even better, simply wanted to mention alternatives. |
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| 17:19.27 | krz | ayt, will get into vid drivers after i setup x and i3 |
| 17:19.38 | babilen | ack, have fun |
| 17:19.46 | krz | why ack? |
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| 17:20.22 | ScottE | krz: i3 is really nice... |
| 17:21.09 | ScottE | krz: and as far as nvidia driver, I've found it to be considerably more stable than nouveau (have it on 3 systems currently) |
| 17:21.36 | krz | yea was using i3 in arch |
| 17:21.45 | krz | hibernate didn't work though |
| 17:21.56 | krz | so decided to give debian a go |
| 17:22.13 | krz | ScottE: you using nvidia experimental? |
| 17:22.35 | krz | btw, to install firmware, one must do dpkg -i foobarfirmware.deb right? |
| 17:22.59 | ScottE | krz: nvidia-driver 319.72-1 but I'm on debian jessie/testing |
| 17:23.00 | babilen | ScottE: Get the experimental out of your head .. I was referring to the 319.72-1~bpo70+1 version in wheezy-backports. |
| 17:23.14 | ScottE | babilen: ?? |
| 17:23.15 | babilen | (and i3 is horrible) |
| 17:23.27 | krz | babilen: what are you using instead of i3? |
| 17:23.29 | ScottE | babilen: I never said anything about experimental |
| 17:23.29 | babilen | ScottE: 319.72-1~bpo70+1 is in wheezy-backports |
| 17:23.41 | babilen | ScottE: I did, earlier and krz repeated it again. |
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| 17:24.31 | ScottE | babilen: I think you have me confused with krz |
| 17:24.49 | ScottE | krz: window manager choices, like everything, are certainly a personal preference |
| 17:24.51 | mouz\lex | babilen: scrot! |
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| 17:25.18 | babilen | krz: I am using awesome (which I also don't really like) - I can't stand i3 for a number of reasons. Most annoying is that you never know how it behaves as it depends on the order in which you created those idiotic containers/trees in the past (and there is no visual indication of that) and the other is that they essentially threw away the single feature that made wmii awesome, namely dynamic tagging. |
| 17:25.57 | babilen | ScottE: krz just said: "krz > ScottE: you using nvidia experimental?" -- I simply wanted to make sure that my earlier mistake to mention experimental and not wheezy-backpots doesn't stick |
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| 17:26.31 | babilen | ScottE: Ah, but I should have sent that message to krz .. :( |
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| 17:26.45 | babilen | haha, sorry :) |
| 17:27.12 | ScottE | babilen: I was referring to your statement "ScottE: Get the experimental out of your head" - I never mentioned the word experimental except in telling you that I never mentioned it :-) The version of nvidia I have is just what's current in testing/jessie, that's all. And no worries :-) |
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| 17:27.51 | DelphiWorld | hi people |
| 17:28.05 | DelphiWorld | wols: hey dude |
| 17:28.17 | DelphiWorld | anyone can tel me how to know the available version of a package? |
| 17:28.20 | DelphiWorld | like for example vlc |
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| 17:28.48 | DelphiWorld | befaure apt-getting vlc... i'lle love to know the current version on the repo |
| 17:28.55 | ScottE | DelphiWorld: dpkg -l <package> |
| 17:28.59 | krz | elfin great! got lightdm and i3 running! |
| 17:29.04 | babilen | DelphiWorld: Check "apt-cache policy FOO" or check on http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages or use "/msg judd v FOO" or ... |
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| 17:29.12 | nonconvergent | DelphiWorld: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 17:29.14 | ScottE | DelphiWorld: sorry, that's the current version and you want available version |
| 17:29.27 | DelphiWorld | right;) |
| 17:29.51 | Improv | If I'm in grub on an EFI-based Mac and want to boot a Debian ISO I have on a USB stick, how might I do that? Debian sees it as (hd1) |
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| 17:30.03 | DelphiWorld | where to see babilen? |
| 17:30.08 | DelphiWorld | lost the url |
| 17:30.27 | krz | do you guys add wheel to the sudoers file? |
| 17:30.34 | ScottE | DelphiWorld: use the apt-cache policy command babilen sent... |
| 17:30.43 | DelphiWorld | ok, trying |
| 17:30.51 | ScottE | Assuming apt-get update is current |
| 17:30.59 | DelphiWorld | 2.0.3 |
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| 17:31.14 | Improv | Doing "Chainloader +1" gives me "invalid EFI file path" |
| 17:31.18 | DelphiWorld | thx ScottE |
| 17:31.22 | babilen | DelphiWorld: You can also use rmadison from devscripts |
| 17:31.36 | DelphiWorld | babilen: no, policy is fine;) |
| 17:31.53 | ScottE | DelphiWorld: thank babilen :-) |
| 17:32.15 | DelphiWorld | thank both of you;Ã |
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| 17:32.17 | DelphiWorld | thank both of you;) |
| 17:32.22 | babilen | ScottE: Too late, I've already decided not to answer DelphiWorld's questions in the future ;) |
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| 17:32.45 | krz | now i need to get hibernate working and then import all my conf files! |
| 17:32.49 | krz | looking great so far |
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| 17:34.31 | Walex | krz: hibernate is often a very difficult thing. suspend-to-RAM is usually more reliable and nearly as long-lasting, and much quicker. Note that however for some people suspend-to-disk is more reliable instead. |
| 17:34.42 | krz | what do i need for hibernate to work with this setup? was reading https://wiki.debian.org/Hibernation can't find anything relevant there |
| 17:34.58 | petn-randall | Wizzzzzard: Were you able to solve your problem? |
| 17:35.06 | krz | when i first installed debian (with debians DE - gnome). hibernate worked out of the box |
| 17:35.29 | Walex | krz: it is sort of random and changes with the peripherals you have attached and the kernel version. |
| 17:35.35 | krz | i.e. when i closed the lid of the laptop. the laptop went to sleep. opened the lid. everything resume just fine |
| 17:35.53 | Walex | krz: that usually is suspend-to-RAM, not to-disk. |
| 17:36.01 | ScottE | krz: Anything interesting in the logs after a failed attempt? And if suspend works OK, I'd probably just go that route instead of hibernate personally |
| 17:36.01 | krz | ok thats fine then |
| 17:36.06 | krz | i need that same functionality |
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| 17:36.47 | krz | no errors ScottE |
| 17:36.52 | ScottE | krz: sometimes it's a bit of a wild goose chase looking for some particular driver that has to be unloaded for suspend/hibernate to work |
| 17:36.53 | krz | it just doesn't suspend |
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| 17:37.15 | krz | when the lid is closed. the screen stays on, and the fans still running with the same speed |
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| 17:37.27 | ScottE | krz: ah, that's not what you want |
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| 17:37.44 | krz | ScottE: but if it works with the default debian install, shouldn't it work with this as well? |
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| 17:38.04 | ScottE | krz: I would think so |
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| 17:38.18 | krz | what am i missing then? pm-utils? |
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| 17:38.42 | ScottE | krz: do you have pm-suspend/pm-hibernate commands? |
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| 17:38.58 | krz | ScottE: nope |
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| 17:39.47 | ScottE | They should be in /usr/sbin but I have to see what package they come from (unless someone else beats me to it) |
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| 17:40.36 | babilen | judd: file bin/pm-hibernate |
| 17:40.44 | judd | Search for bin/pm-hibernate in wheezy/i386: pm-utils: usr/sbin/pm-hibernate |
| 17:40.49 | krz | yea pm-suspend is in /usr/sbin |
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| 17:41.25 | babilen | krz: fwiw, a lot of this functionality is working nicely with systemd. you might want to switch. |
| 17:41.44 | krz | i just executed /usr/sbin/pm-suspend. works! |
| 17:42.06 | krz | now how do i hook it up so when i close the lid, it suspends automatically? |
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| 17:42.29 | krz | babilen: is this what default debian install uses? systemd? |
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| 17:43.07 | mouse-_ | hey y'alls! i have "always on" in every configuration i can think of, yet it still insists on halting/suspending |
| 17:43.15 | mouse-_ | in a new debian 7 install |
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| 17:43.59 | babilen | krz: No, it is not. Debian is currently discussing which init system to switch to from sysvinit (or if to perform a switch at all). |
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| 17:44.41 | krz | babilen: yea don't want to risk it. if it seems to be working with pm-utlils, i think its good :-) |
| 17:44.52 | babilen | krz: I am simply saying that systemd is a valid choice and you would get the desired behaviour immediately. If you want that or not is up to you. See https://wiki.debian.org/systemd for details |
| 17:44.54 | krz | i just need the lid to work |
| 17:45.08 | babilen | krz: There is no "risk", it works fine. |
| 17:45.09 | krz | ok looking |
| 17:45.14 | krz | damn you babilen |
| 17:45.19 | krz | :-P |
| 17:45.21 | babilen | ooh :( |
| 17:45.38 | mouz\lex | babilen: mind sharing how your awesome looks? |
| 17:46.10 | krz | so systems will get the suspend on lid closed working automatically? |
| 17:46.15 | babilen | mouz\lex: I reverted to mainly vanilla for 3.5, nothing too fancy. |
| 17:46.20 | krz | systemd* |
| 17:46.26 | babilen | krz: yes |
| 17:46.40 | mouz\lex | babilen: it was mainly how you have terms/workspaces I would be interested to see :) |
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| 17:46.58 | DeepBlue | where 2 get the xfce debian iso torrent? |
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| 17:47.34 | nonconvergent | DeepBlue: netinst will do it. just fiddle in the menus. It's under advanced somewhere. |
| 17:47.59 | krz | laptop lid concern: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Acpid |
| 17:48.08 | krz | listens to acpi events |
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| 17:48.11 | nonconvergent | Allt that does anyway is picked a different desktop for task-desktop. You could install minimal and do it yourself later. |
| 17:48.26 | nonconvergent | Or even run all the desktops. |
| 17:48.41 | nonconvergent | I've got Gnome and XFCE on mine. |
| 17:48.55 | Improv | Doing "Chainloader +1" gives me "invalid EFI file path" |
| 17:48.57 | Improv | whoops |
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| 17:50.08 | krz | thats weird though. acpid is already installed |
| 17:50.18 | krz | why isn't it suspending on lid close |
| 17:50.51 | DeepBlue | nonconvergent: u mean which one: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/amd64/bt-cd/ |
| 17:51.53 | nonconvergent | DeepBlue: netinst |
| 17:52.00 | krz | whops pasted the wiki for arch |
| 17:52.04 | teraflop | krz: laptop-mode-tools ? |
| 17:52.11 | nonconvergent | DeepBlue: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
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| 17:53.26 | nonconvergent | DeepBlue: If you have a working internet connection and can wire up (because sometimes firmware for laptop nics is missing/in nonfree) then netinst. It's smaller, less work on your part, and you can still burn it to a cd. |
| 17:53.29 | krz | teraflop: am looking for the debian wiki |
| 17:53.54 | teraflop | krz: that package will do the trick |
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| 17:54.21 | DeepBlue | nonconvergent: i'm connected via ADSL |
| 17:54.28 | krz | teraflop: weird though, google doesn't return this package anywhere |
| 17:54.31 | krz | for debian |
| 17:54.43 | krz | OK NVM |
| 17:55.52 | teraflop | http://packages.debian.org/es/wheezy/laptop-mode-tools |
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| 17:56.03 | DeepBlue | nonconvergent: in ADSL ,connections does not open until a password is fed in |
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| 17:57.13 | nonconvergent | DeepBlue: Doesn't matter. |
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| 17:58.04 | krz | babilen: ill install systemd a bit later. just trying to see if i can get it to work with pm-utils |
| 17:58.06 | DeepBlue | nonconvergent: a web browser must b within reach |
| 17:58.15 | krz | teraflop: still doesn't suspend when lid is closed |
| 17:58.22 | krz | i also rebooted |
| 17:58.24 | DeepBlue | to open connections |
| 17:58.43 | nonconvergent | DeepBlue: A web portal auth? Gross. |
| 17:58.46 | nonconvergent | Campus? |
| 17:59.19 | DeepBlue | kind of ,yeah |
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| 17:59.46 | nonconvergent | DeepBlue: It sounds like wireless though. Can you just wire up and avoid the web portal? |
| 18:00.07 | krz | should i modify /etc/acpi/events/custom_lid at https://wiki.debian.org/Suspend |
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| 18:01.17 | DeepBlue | nonconvergent: i'm not familiar with this ,so i prefer a dvd AMD 64 xfce install |
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| 18:02.50 | nonconvergent | DeepBlue: it's the same thing, it just requires you have a network connection during the install. |
| 18:04.10 | krz | any ideas? |
| 18:05.23 | teraflop | krz: do you have #LID_SLEEP=true in /etc/default/acpi-support? |
| 18:06.05 | DeepBlue | nonconvergent: even a usb flash 4 GB iso image? |
| 18:06.12 | krz | teraflop: that might just do it |
| 18:06.16 | krz | it was commented |
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| 18:06.22 | teraflop | uncomment |
| 18:06.50 | nonconvergent | DeepBlue: Less. |
| 18:07.19 | DeepBlue | ok ,i may try this one |
| 18:07.22 | antithesis | Hello, I've created a new user but when I log in as that user in a tty, I just see a $ rather than the regular PS2 line. Typing echo $SHELL gives /bin/sh as output and tab autocompletion doesn't work |
| 18:07.26 | krz | awesome! |
| 18:07.31 | krz | thanks teraflop |
| 18:07.38 | teraflop | yw krz |
| 18:07.47 | krz | teraflop: how did you know it was there? any wiki indicate this? |
| 18:07.51 | antithesis | How can I set it to bash or zsh? I've already tried chsh and manually changing the symlink |
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| 18:08.20 | teraflop | yep krz |
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| 18:08.44 | krz | which wiki? teraflop |
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| 18:09.02 | teraflop | http://techlek.wordpress.com/2011/04/04/why-doesnt-my-laptop-go-to-sleep-when-i-close-the-lid/ |
| 18:09.15 | teraflop | so descriptive title |
| 18:10.01 | krz | good stuff |
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| 18:10.11 | socomm | Why would you want your laptop to go to sleep for? |
| 18:10.14 | krz | btw, do you put wheel in the sudoers file? |
| 18:10.19 | krz | and what font y'all using? |
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| 18:10.48 | nonconvergent | what's wheel for anyway? |
| 18:10.49 | wols | antithesis: getent passwd <newly created username> what is the output? |
| 18:10.50 | socomm | krz: configure sudoers however you see fit |
| 18:10.55 | teraflop | antithesis: what happens when you write "bash" on that tty? |
| 18:10.57 | wols | !tell nonconvergent about wheel |
| 18:10.57 | nonconvergent | DeepBlue: If you have trouble, just wire up. |
| 18:11.01 | socomm | nonconvergent: wheel is used to allow users to 'su' |
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| 18:11.11 | nonconvergent | socomm: ah |
| 18:11.13 | socomm | !tell socomm about wheel |
| 18:11.13 | krz | and sudo |
| 18:11.24 | wols | !tell socomm about selftell |
| 18:11.25 | DeepBlue | nonconvergent: ok,thanx a lot |
| 18:11.27 | nonconvergent | krz: no, you need to be in sudo for that |
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| 18:11.31 | antithesis | wols sal2:x:1001:1001::/home/sal2/:/bin/zsh |
| 18:11.47 | antithesis | teraflop bash and zsh work like normally |
| 18:11.49 | nonconvergent | krz: granted, it's dependent on your sudoers setup |
| 18:11.53 | ScottE | krz: I like the Liberation fonts myself, use that family for pretty much everything |
| 18:11.54 | wols | then you already have a different shell |
| 18:11.59 | antithesis | It just doesn't use them by default |
| 18:12.11 | krz | thought wheel was for su and sudo |
| 18:12.21 | antithesis | wols yeah, but opening a new xterm window or logging in in the tty still gives the unusable shell |
| 18:12.34 | h00ked | hi there, have anyone with resizing fs on live system or, is that possible? i have /root /var /home /tmp and i need resize it (admin do it bad) |
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| 18:12.40 | socomm | I use the Adobe fonts. |
| 18:12.43 | wols | antithesis: have you completely logged out and logged back in? |
| 18:12.52 | teraflop | beacuse you misunderstood betwwen adduser & useradd? antithesis |
| 18:12.55 | nonconvergent | sudo needs the sudo group by default. You can also name users individually without adding the group in your sudoers |
| 18:13.25 | socomm | http://adobe.ly/18PnW0M |
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| 18:14.12 | socomm | h00ked: resize? shirnk? grow? |
| 18:14.30 | socomm | h00ked: generally speaking shrinking HDD is a bad thing, especially on a live system |
| 18:14.31 | h00ked | socomm: few of them shrink, few grow |
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| 18:14.35 | antithesis | teraflop I used useradd though |
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| 18:15.46 | socomm | h00ked: if you plan on shrinking I recommend on backing your system and shrinking on a non live system |
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| 18:15.49 | teraflop | antithesis: params? |
| 18:15.57 | socomm | s/backing/backing\ up/ |
| 18:16.02 | antithesis | useradd -d /home/user user |
| 18:16.14 | krz | hm by default my non-root user is not in the wheel group |
| 18:16.31 | krz | do you guys su instead, to do administrative stuff? |
| 18:16.37 | socomm | krz: you can configure sudo to use other groups besides wheel ..... |
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| 18:16.58 | teraflop | you forgot the shell param antithesis |
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| 18:17.18 | h00ked | socomm: i know its bad. I have 10GB unused (vgdisplay). Its newly installed system, but, there are processes in company and new instalation would take about two weeks again... and its some kind of virtual machine on redhat i think, so I cant reboot any live cd... |
| 18:17.42 | teraflop | edit /etc/passwd and fix antithesis |
| 18:17.50 | socomm | h00ked: eep, good luck |
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| 18:18.23 | wols | h00ked: we cannot help you with redhat problems |
| 18:18.49 | laigualdad | can someone help me verify the checksum of the latest debian release? i have already burned the iso to a DVD. the instructions here http://www.debian.org/CD/verify assume I am familiar with how to do it, but i am not. what should i do? |
| 18:18.53 | h00ked | wols: read :-) its debian :-) |
| 18:18.57 | socomm | wols: sounds like an LVM question |
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| 18:19.07 | krz | if i wanted my non root user to execute sudo commands. what should be done? add him to the sudo group> |
| 18:19.09 | krz | ? |
| 18:19.31 | socomm | krz: check your sudo config, and read the manual |
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| 18:20.27 | antithesis | teraflop that line is sal2:x:1001:1001::/home/sal2/:/bin/zsh |
| 18:20.33 | antithesis | Exactly like the output before |
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| 18:23.19 | krz | thats weird. i did add foobar sudo |
| 18:23.28 | teraflop | antithesis: "-d" param is wrong param |
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| 18:23.46 | krz | then i do groups. sudo is part of his group |
| 18:23.51 | teraflop | antithesis: "-d" param is a wrong param |
| 18:23.52 | krz | sudo IS NOT |
| 18:23.56 | teraflop | sorry |
| 18:23.57 | antithesis | Wait, imma try wols's advice first |
| 18:24.02 | krz | is not in his group* |
| 18:25.24 | krz | whats going on? |
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| 18:26.02 | krz | i made sure the user is logged out and logged in again |
| 18:26.12 | krz | oh wait nvm |
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| 18:30.22 | krz | y'all use iceweasel? |
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| 18:32.12 | laigualdad | any more detailed resources so i can learn how to check the checksum on the debian iso? the documentation assumes i already know how to do it. http://www.debian.org/CD/verify |
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| 18:33.34 | socomm | you should use the tool md5sum to work with these |
| 18:34.02 | socomm | laigualdad: 'md5sum debian_cd.iso' |
| 18:34.07 | laigualdad | should i check md5sum's documentation |
| 18:34.08 | laigualdad | ok |
| 18:34.26 | krz | socomm: is adobe fonts in debians package? |
| 18:34.30 | socomm | laigualdad: that should give you the files md5 checksum |
| 18:34.34 | socomm | krz: probably not |
| 18:34.38 | laigualdad | ok :P |
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| 18:35.15 | laigualdad | tis load, i'll see what happens :) |
| 18:35.19 | laigualdad | *loading |
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| 18:36.56 | laigualdad | i got 025a1fb6c060840d96d479bcf5832c9b debian.iso |
| 18:37.06 | laigualdad | unfortunately i don't know what to do with this |
| 18:37.10 | laigualdad | x) |
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| 18:37.19 | krz | socomm: http://askubuntu.com/questions/193072/how-to-use-the-new-adobe-source-code-pro-font good enough to install the font on debian |
| 18:37.24 | ml604 | anyone have experience with Clementine hanging on startup? |
| 18:37.24 | DeepBlue | i want 2 install the home folder in a seoarate partition.can i usethe home folder of an LMDE installatin and the same username? |
| 18:37.27 | krz | the selected answer socomm |
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| 18:40.00 | ScottE | DeepBlue: you can do that as long as user uids and gids match |
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| 18:41.19 | DeepBlue | ScottE: and how 2 no it? |
| 18:42.10 | ml604 | symlink may work. |
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| 18:43.12 | ml604 | also change that user's homedir in /etc/passwd |
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| 18:45.14 | SlaSerX | hi |
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| 18:54.22 | laigualdad | searching around, but still halfway stuck. if anyone wants to walk me through or point me to a resource |
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| 18:58.04 | jthomas | laigualdad you'd run 'md5sum _filename_ ' which, as you mentioned above, gave you a big string like THRHRT6HTRH432HRH or whatever. Then, compare that string to what the Debian download page says. If they match, your download was perfect. If they don't match, your download was corrupt. |
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| 18:58.50 | jthomas | if it's not identical, you can consider it a corrupt download and you should not use it to install |
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| 18:59.38 | laigualdad | oh okay |
| 18:59.50 | SlaSerX | how i can restrict python can be used to evry group but forget for just one group |
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| 19:02.10 | laigualdad | jthomas it's not on this page http://www.debian.org/CD/verify so you say the download page, i am paging through the downloads pages, and i dont see it |
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| 19:04.45 | babilen | laigualdad: Which image are you trying to verify? |
| 19:05.13 | laigualdad | Debian 7.2 |
| 19:05.25 | babilen | laigualdad: Which image exactly? What's the name of the file? |
| 19:05.54 | laigualdad | i made it debian.iso |
| 19:06.40 | jthomas | lol |
| 19:06.43 | babilen | laigualdad: We do not offer images of that name. A valid name would, for example, be debian-7.2.0-amd64-CD-1.iso |
| 19:06.53 | babilen | laigualdad: Do you know which one you downloaded? |
| 19:06.54 | jthomas | https://wiki.debian.org/MD5 |
| 19:06.57 | laigualdad | yeah. i just renamed it. |
| 19:07.08 | jthomas | oh, that doesn't list anything. |
| 19:07.10 | laigualdad | it's the multiarch one, full DVD |
| 19:07.15 | babilen | laigualdad: Okay, what was the original name? |
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| 19:07.55 | laigualdad | let me check.. |
| 19:07.59 | laigualdad | ah |
| 19:08.12 | babilen | laigualdad: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/multi-arch/iso-dvd/MD5SUMS -- Why did you download the DVD image? Don't you have a working internet connection? |
| 19:08.18 | laigualdad | debian-7.2.0-i386-amd64-source-DVD-1.iso |
| 19:08.43 | laigualdad | convenience. |
| 19:08.49 | jthomas | it's not really clear that the NetInstall is a faster option if you're unfamiliar with Linux or Debian |
| 19:08.53 | babilen | laigualdad: That image doesn't contain the installer, but contains the *source* package of Debian. It cannot be used for installation. What are you trying to do? |
| 19:08.55 | laigualdad | i might lose the internet anyway |
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| 19:09.13 | laigualdad | hold on a sec... |
| 19:09.15 | laigualdad | O.o |
| 19:09.27 | babilen | laigualdad: Okay, I take it that you do want to install Debian. Do you know which desktop environment (if any) you would like to use? What is your network hardware? |
| 19:09.44 | laigualdad | let me retrace my steps. |
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| 19:10.28 | hahaha | hi there. my debian keep ignoring file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/home%3A%2Fd.list |
| 19:10.36 | hahaha | is this ok? |
| 19:10.46 | laigualdad | i went here. http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ i clicked multi-arch |
| 19:11.07 | laigualdad | takes you here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/multi-arch/bt-dvd/ |
| 19:11.38 | laigualdad | i guess i just got that one because it's the only one.. oh! there's the md5sum |
| 19:11.45 | laigualdad | and all the rest |
| 19:11.48 | laigualdad | yay! |
| 19:11.58 | babilen | laigualdad: You still cannot use that image to install Debian. |
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| 19:12.13 | laigualdad | alright, darn |
| 19:12.28 | laigualdad | so i take it multi-arch is only available in source or something? |
| 19:12.32 | babilen | laigualdad: So, answer my questions above and we can take it from there. |
| 19:12.37 | laigualdad | ok |
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| 19:13.28 | babilen | laigualdad: IIRC we do not offer multi-arch DVD images -- that link seems to be broken. (apologies for that) -- Do you want to install amd64 or i386 (64bit or 32bit), note that amd64 would be the standard choice these days on modern hardware. |
| 19:13.31 | Guest31488 | So should one delete all their configuration files before a dist-upgrade? |
| 19:13.32 | laigualdad | i would like to use gnome 3 which comes by default. my network hardware i don't know the full details offhand, but i can recognize them. i know it's proprietary and i've had trouble connecting before. |
| 19:13.45 | laigualdad | i'll probably just take amd64 then. |
| 19:14.02 | babilen | laigualdad: Okay, can you connect via ethernet or only via wifi to the internet? |
| 19:14.12 | laigualdad | only wifi |
| 19:14.53 | babilen | laigualdad: Are you using MS Windows right now or a Linux variant? |
| 19:15.02 | laigualdad | a linux variant |
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| 19:16.44 | babilen | laigualdad: Please run "lspci -nn|grep -i network" and show me the output (assuming your wifi adaptor is PCI and not USB) |
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| 19:17.14 | laigualdad | ok - and yes, it's not usb, so probably pci |
| 19:17.24 | laigualdad | if that means built-in |
| 19:18.01 | meshuggah | that means a pci slot with a card inserted |
| 19:18.27 | laigualdad | 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation WiFi Link 5100 [8086:4232] |
| 19:18.32 | Guest31488 | is dpkg -l the best command to see packages that are loaded? |
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| 19:18.58 | babilen | Guest31488: What are you trying to do? |
| 19:19.14 | Guest31488 | dist-upgrade |
| 19:19.23 | Guest31488 | I want to clean the system first. |
| 19:19.28 | babilen | laigualdad: Yeah, you need firmware for that. Do you plan to install from an optical medium or a USB stick? |
| 19:19.51 | Guest31488 | Can I delete all my configuration files? |
| 19:19.58 | babilen | Guest31488: Clean it of what? "dpkg -l" is a reasonable command though :) |
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| 19:20.14 | Guest31488 | I want this thing leaner and meaner. |
| 19:20.22 | babilen | Guest31488: I wouldn't recommend deleting all your configuration files as that would, well, get rid of all your configuration |
| 19:20.23 | Guest31488 | I have been running this since etch. |
| 19:20.25 | laigualdad | i tried making bootable usb out of this, but it didn' t work, so i used a DVD-RW (but now i see why it may not have worked :D) |
| 19:20.36 | laigualdad | but anyway i have both |
| 19:20.44 | Guest31488 | I don't mind the default on everything. |
| 19:20.46 | krz | err why does ice weasel keep telling me that additional plugins are required to be installed (referring to flash) when I've already installed it via apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 19:21.07 | babilen | Guest31488: Then run something like "aptitude purge ~o" to remove obsolete pacakges, then "aptitude purge ~c" to remove configuration files of removed but not purged packages. |
| 19:21.41 | laigualdad | put this way, i'll install from my DVD. |
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| 19:21.49 | laigualdad | i have a usb if i need it |
| 19:22.13 | Guest31488 | Those commands are safe? |
| 19:22.16 | babilen | Guest31488: You can then review the list of manually installed packages created with "aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M!~v'" and purge whatever you don't want anymore. Additionally you can use tools such as deborphan. |
| 19:22.18 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 19:22.39 | Guest31488 | That looks like a good one. |
| 19:23.12 | babilen | Guest31488: Well, don't do anything you don't want to do. The first simply removes obsolete packages (all packages that are not available from currecntly configured repositories) and the latter simply old configuration files of packages you removed earlier. |
| 19:23.19 | laigualdad | babilen i need to grab a snack, brb x) |
| 19:23.29 | ShapeShifter499 | my other system that runs ubuntu seems to use more ram than the one I'm currently on which runs debian wheezy... any ideas guys why this is? |
| 19:23.48 | krz | anyone? |
| 19:23.58 | ShapeShifter499 | I run the same gnome window manager |
| 19:24.00 | Guest31488 | I ran that above command. Are those all still loaded? |
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| 19:24.14 | Guest31488 | I have a bunch of crap I want to get rid of. |
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| 19:25.08 | babilen | laigualdad: Okay, no problem. Anyway: If you have a working internet connection then the easiest method to install Debian by far would be to use the netinstall image with firmware you can get from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ -- Write it to your USB with "cp firmware-7.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sdb (*not* /dev/sdb1 !!) and the ... |
| 19:25.14 | babilen | ... device node of your USB stick. |
| 19:25.26 | grep0r | ShapeShifter499, because debian rocks :) Ubuntu use apt but are different systems |
| 19:25.49 | Guest31488 | aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M!~v' this command brings up dpkg |
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| 19:26.02 | Guest31488 | I think I want that guy. |
| 19:26.09 | babilen | laigualdad: To find out which device is your USB stick run "dmesg|tail -n23" after plugging it in and you should see it in the output there. If you can't figure it out let somebody in here take a look as you can nuke your system by overwriting the wrong device. |
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| 19:26.32 | mtn | ShapeShifter499: more things running in ubuntu, most likely. use top or htop or whatever you like to compare running apps. |
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| 19:27.01 | babilen | laigualdad: If your network connection is dodgy you have two options, but you need to provide firmware for your wireless card either way. For that you download http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/ and unpack it to a USB stick. |
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| 19:28.43 | babilen | laigualdad: This is easily done if you install from a burnt CD, but you have to create a filesystem in the *second partition* on the USB stick. Lets assume you downloaded amd64 CD1 or DVD1 (which contains everything you need to install Gnome3) from, say, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
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| 19:30.09 | babilen | laigualdad: Lets further assume that your USB stick is /dev/sdb (check that!!!) -- Write the image with "cp debian-7.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso /dev/sdb ; sync" and then check if you have a filesystem already on /dev/sdb2 (the second partition on your disk). If you do: Just mount it and unpack firmware.tar.gz there, if not: create a filesystem with, say, mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb2 and mount it then, unpack firmware and so on. |
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| 19:30.59 | rickweaver | hi guys.. does anybody know the canto newsreader? |
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| 19:31.43 | babilen | rickweaver: Do you? |
| 19:32.53 | rickweaver | babilen, not really.. i've just installed it and would like to know if it fetches the news at every start or just after running the canto-fetch command |
| 19:33.11 | babilen | Guest31488: yes, that command lists all *manually* installed packages. I would assume that you want most of them, but you can review this list to find things that you can purge. I can't tell you what you want to keep or remove. |
| 19:33.39 | zykotick9 | rickweaver: yes on statup by default. <sidenote> i recently switched from canto to newsbeuter myself. |
| 19:33.40 | babilen | rickweaver: I have no idea; does it come with documentation? |
| 19:33.49 | babilen | yay for zykotick9 ! |
| 19:34.11 | rickweaver | babilen, yes it does but no mention about default fetching settings |
| 19:34.16 | rickweaver | zykotick9, thanks |
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| 19:34.41 | rickweaver | zykotick9, so i don't have to add anything to the crontab |
| 19:35.03 | babilen | newsbeuter++ btw |
| 19:35.04 | Guest31488 | Why would it bring up dpkg? |
| 19:35.08 | babilen | zykotick9: Why did you switch? |
| 19:35.13 | zykotick9 | rickweaver: there is a daemon option to the canto-fetch |
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| 19:35.28 | babilen | Guest31488: because dpkg was installed explicitly and not as a dependency of another package |
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| 19:35.49 | ShapeShifter499 | mtn, grep0r I plan on switching everything that can run debian to debian. Hopefully everything runs a little bit better. |
| 19:36.04 | zykotick9 | babilen: mainly because the updating (ie canto-fetch) was rather hit-n-miss for me. only thing i miss is the vi keybindings, haven't looked into modifying newsbeuter yet, lazy. |
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| 19:36.38 | babilen | zykotick9: ack, thanks :) |
| 19:37.28 | rickweaver | zykotick9, thanks, |
| 19:37.31 | spm-Draget | I am running wheezy on a not-so-critical-desktop-machine. Thought about testing out jessie, giving feedback but also somewhat use the system. For everyday-tasks, without any issue if things break (I like debugging). Is jessie already somewhat usable to be a semi-test and semi-everydayuse system? |
| 19:37.55 | spm-Draget | And, will any future update have a clean upgrade path to the point when jessie becomes stable? |
| 19:38.04 | Guest31488 | I ran testing on a system for years. |
| 19:38.35 | babilen | spm-Draget: It is a moving target without security support and definitely not ready to be used on production systems. I personally track sid on my *personal* machine, but I am the only person that is grumpy if something doesn't work on that. |
| 19:38.41 | jrock20041 | Having issue with flash video full screen. I installed the flashplugin-nonfree but that made things worse. I am in chrome |
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| 19:39.15 | laigualdad | back |
| 19:39.33 | babilen | spm-Draget: Running testing (with a sane setup and best practices) and being able to pull packages from unstable is definitely a viable setup if you are up for the work of maintaining it. |
| 19:39.33 | jhutchins | spm-Draget: You might consider a dual-boot system, with jessie for testing and wheezy to fall back on if it fails. |
| 19:39.35 | laigualdad | reding your messages babilen |
| 19:39.49 | jhutchins | spm-Draget: Only takes 4-5 G. |
| 19:39.58 | babilen | laigualdad: Sure, I just had it in the pipeline and thought I'd rather leave them for you than forgetting all the details ;) |
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| 19:40.19 | spm-Draget | babilen: As I said, I am aware that things change and can break. But if it happens only once a month, I can happily life with that. Three crashes or completely overhauled subsystem with compability issues a day would be too much for me to help debugging. |
| 19:40.27 | DeepBlue | i installed thr minmum sysrem installation because of connection failure.there in no GUI but i can only drop to shell termenal.now how can i set the repos mirrors and install GUI and Xfce? |
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| 19:41.11 | babilen | spm-Draget: I'd recommend to read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable -- make sure to follow best-practices (as in: run apt-listbugs and configure it to show important bugs too in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10apt-listbugs and so on) |
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| 19:41.31 | mtn | jrock20041: chrome has its own version of flash. have you tested flash with other browsers? |
| 19:41.39 | jhutchins | spm-Draget: One nice thing about dual-boot is that you can chroot to the testing installation and update it withough even having to have it be bootable. |
| 19:41.51 | babilen | spm-Draget: Well, anything might happen, but we, naturally, try to not break the system at all and minimise disruptions to a minimum. |
| 19:42.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell DeepBlue -about wheezy sources.list |
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| 19:42.23 | spm-Draget | babilen: Thanks for the link, I'll check. |
| 19:42.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell DeepBlue -about install x |
| 19:42.30 | jrock20041 | mtn: will try iceweasel now |
| 19:43.14 | babilen | DeepBlue: You end up with a sources.list such as http://paste.debian.net/70033/ (run "apt-get update") -- Which Desktop Environment or Window Manager do you want to use? |
| 19:43.15 | Waxhead | jrock20041: just for the record flash nonfree and iceape works perfect for me. |
| 19:43.59 | DeepBlue | babilen: Xfce |
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| 19:44.49 | DeepBlue | babilen: though i like Mate most |
| 19:45.05 | DeepBlue | of all |
| 19:45.06 | jrock20041 | Waxhead: that appears to be it |
| 19:45.14 | babilen | dpkg: tell DeepBlue about install xfce |
| 19:45.27 | jrock20041 | crunchyroll is no longer lagging |
| 19:45.37 | babilen | DeepBlue: MATE has not yet been completely packaged for Debian. |
| 19:45.52 | DeepBlue | yea,i no |
| 19:45.59 | jrock20041 | mtn: so it appears to be something with linux and chrome |
| 19:46.22 | grep0r | ShapeShifter499, nice btw if you dont know it yet another reason to switch the other machines check the above http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do |
| 19:46.32 | babilen | DeepBlue: Do the factoids our bot sent you and my additional information answer your question or is there anything missing? |
| 19:46.34 | mtn | jrock20041: well, you can always use chromium, which is in the repos. no real reason to use chrome, is there? |
| 19:46.38 | jhutchins | Does chrome use flash or HTML5? |
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| 19:46.56 | ShapeShifter499 | grep0r, oh I know about that |
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| 19:47.15 | jrock20041 | mtn: I liked using the real thing as I thought chromium was a port by somebody other than google |
| 19:47.30 | DeepBlue | babilen: what is the firet thing to run when i drop to shell reminal? |
| 19:47.32 | mtn | jrock20041: nope, better read up on it. try wikipedia |
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| 19:48.02 | ShapeShifter499 | grep0r one of the reasons I'm switching |
| 19:48.22 | babilen | DeepBlue: "apt-get install vim-gtk" ;) |
| 19:48.36 | DeepBlue | ok |
| 19:49.01 | laigualdad | cool babilen, i'll follow these instructions and get back to you |
| 19:49.02 | babilen | DeepBlue: You have to edit your sources.list and make it look like mine. Use *any* editor your are comfortable with for that. Do you know vim? emacs? nano? |
| 19:49.29 | babilen | laigualdad: All the best! Please double/triple check your USB device node to make sure that you don't overwrite your harddrive! ;) |
| 19:49.49 | DeepBlue | babilen: i use pluma |
| 19:49.54 | wes_incredible | I think if you care about updates, Chrome may come in a bit faster. Debian repos not known for blazing speed of new releases. |
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| 19:50.57 | DeepBlue | babilen: what is the source list path? |
| 19:51.14 | babilen | DeepBlue: That is not yet available in Debian and you cannot use it on the command line. Use "nano -W /etc/apt/sources.list" to edit the sources.list with nano (reasonably easy to use) |
| 19:51.27 | grep0r | ShapeShifter499, btw is there any very old machines and want to save resources and make it lighter? |
| 19:51.52 | laigualdad | babilen will do! |
| 19:52.33 | DeepBlue | ok |
| 19:52.49 | DeepBlue | i did it many times b4 |
| 19:53.31 | ShapeShifter499 | grep0r, my older systems seem to do fine under ubuntu so I'm assuming the same for debian |
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| 19:55.07 | DeepBlue | babilen: thanx a lot |
| 19:55.36 | babilen | have fun |
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| 19:57.18 | DeepBlue | babilen: one moe question, will it install gtk b4 editing mirror list? |
| 19:58.58 | babilen | DeepBlue: No, it will not. You need working repositories before (please do me the favour and spell it out) you can install anything. |
| 19:59.40 | DeepBlue | babilen: ok,sorry and many thnx |
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| 20:00.27 | grep0r | ShapeShifter499, on a old laptop I'm using DSL (Damn Small Linux debian) if you have any ancient system is amazing http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ the only lighter could be just a terminal haha |
| 20:00.52 | babilen | DeepBlue: No worries, have fun! :) |
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| 20:03.08 | Lady_Aleena | Anyone here use Perl and install modules? I am having a hard time wrapping my head around Debian's way of doing it. |
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| 20:09.06 | Leoneof | hi, i've folders A, B, C....and so on, how to compress them to A.tar.gz, B.tar.gz, C.tar.gz, in one command line? |
| 20:09.13 | babilen | Lady_Aleena: "apt-get install lib-????-perl" |
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| 20:12.49 | Lady_Aleena | babilen, so they all end with -perl? |
| 20:13.26 | somes | hi guys! can you please advice how can i clear LD_PRELOAD for skype that i set by accident a lot of times? I tried to find it in /etc/bashrc but it doesnt, also i tried to reboot the whole system and xserver, but didnt help, now i cant use skype anymore |
| 20:13.27 | ompaul | Lady_Aleena: apt-cache search lib perl << run that |
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| 20:13.57 | ompaul | somes: using any audio device before you use skype? |
| 20:14.06 | ompaul | somes: music, browser or some such? |
| 20:14.43 | somes | ompaul: nope, i tried it after reboot from the console but getting a lot of ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib32/libv4l/v4l1compat.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
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| 20:16.47 | ompaul | somes: what version of debian are you running |
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| 20:17.40 | ompaul | ahh the IDK version :) |
| 20:18.06 | Lady_Aleena | Thanks babilen. |
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| 20:18.46 | Lady_Aleena | Now to find my error logs to find out why my script is running at the command line and not in the browser. |
| 20:19.13 | Lady_Aleena | s/error logs/Apache error logs/; |
| 20:19.19 | somes | ompaul: testing |
| 20:19.34 | bzed | somes: sounds like you are trying to run a 32bit version of skype on a 64bit system. And something is missing. Installing libc6-i686 might help. |
| 20:19.53 | jennie | hello, I want to install debian but I want to know that how I will install this printer driver in it ? http://support-in.canon-asia.com/contents/IN/EN/0100459601.html and my ATI Radeon HD6570 GFX card driver, please reply |
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| 20:20.18 | ompaul | somes: paste in http://paste.debian.net the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list please |
| 20:20.21 | somes | bzed: its all worked before. i just tried to use LD_PRELOAD in order to get my webcam working correctly on my Asus notebook, and after this i got error above |
| 20:20.33 | ompaul | somes: uname -a is always useful |
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| 20:20.49 | bzed | somes: well then, where did you put the LD_PRELOAD statement? |
| 20:21.16 | somes | bzed: echo -e '#!/bin/bash \n LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib32/libv4l/v4l1compat.so /usr/lib/bin/skype' | sudo tee /usr/lib/bin/skype |
| 20:21.55 | ompaul | sudo ... ok |
| 20:21.56 | bzed | somes: sudo vim /usr/lib/bin/skype |
| 20:22.03 | ompaul | wanders off |
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| 20:22.15 | ompaul | root and a binary lovely and wrong on many levels |
| 20:22.17 | bzed | somes: and remove that LD_PRELOAD ting. and save it. you use sudo nano... if you dont know how to use vim |
| 20:23.01 | grep0r | jennie, https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo about ATI |
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| 20:23.30 | somes | bzed: its empty file.. |
| 20:24.13 | bzed | somes: then your sudo stuff above there was somewhat different. |
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| 20:24.25 | bzed | somes: did you edit /usr/bin/skype? |
| 20:24.35 | bzed | I'd guess the /usr/lib is wrong there |
| 20:25.01 | somes | bzed: yes i tried both |
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| 20:25.45 | pengunix | So I can't simply change the password using debconf-set-selections, right? |
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| 20:26.32 | Lady_Aleena | Okay, I have looked through every folder named 'apache2' for my error log and can't find it. Any suggestions of what to look for next? |
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| 20:26.53 | tremon | somes: what did you hope to accompish by running sudo tee $some_binary? |
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| 20:27.57 | yates | does debian use the apt package management system? |
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| 20:28.26 | somes | bzed: sorry i found it in /usr/bin/skype and removed, just left first line with #!/bin/bash, but still the same error, but getting it just once now |
| 20:28.35 | max__ | yates: I hope so |
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| 20:30.53 | socomm | Lady_Aleena: have you looked under /var/log/apache2/ ? |
| 20:31.52 | Lady_Aleena | socomm, I'll try at the command line, since I can't see it in Dolphin. |
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| 20:32.22 | yates | does debian stable 7 support ssd's? |
| 20:32.44 | babilen | yates: sure |
| 20:32.45 | socomm | Lady_Aleena: also you can configure where your logs are kept on your /etc/apache2/envars:APACHE_LOG_DIR |
| 20:33.03 | socomm | yates: should not be a problem |
| 20:33.19 | socomm | Maybe better questions might be "does my SSD support Linux" |
| 20:33.34 | Lady_Aleena | socomm, give me a minute 'sudo cd /var/log/apache2/' is returning 'command not found' |
| 20:34.15 | yates | not meaning to flame or incite, i'd like honest opinion (because I am a bit perplexed) on why one would choose debian over fedora. confession: i am a long-time fedora user. |
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| 20:35.34 | yates | i am about to receive a very, very powerful new workstation system and am trying to determine what linux distro would be best |
| 20:35.37 | somes | bzed: where LD_PRELOAD configuration can be saved? i just cant understand where to find it |
| 20:35.55 | phy1729 | yates: what do you want to do on it? |
| 20:36.10 | yates | i am an electrical engineer and do a lot of embedded software, dsp, and octave development. |
| 20:37.06 | Lady_Aleena | Oops, forgot to chmod... |
| 20:37.08 | yates | e.g., i will be running TI's Code Composer Studio IDE (which is eclipse-based), the gcc collection, gnu make, gnu octave, etc. |
| 20:37.28 | laigualdad | yates: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=fedora |
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| 20:37.38 | Lady_Aleena | socomm, thank you bunches! |
| 20:38.14 | laigualdad | depends on your needs i think |
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| 20:38.21 | yates | but mainly..., emacs. lol! |
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| 20:38.56 | yates | does debian 7 stable support lxde? |
| 20:39.00 | laigualdad | oops, wrong link. http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major |
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| 20:39.08 | laigualdad | fedora in the list, pros and cons |
| 20:39.30 | jelly-home | yates: yes. |
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| 20:40.05 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell yates -about install lxde |
| 20:40.41 | yates | aha. thanks jelly-home |
| 20:40.43 | laigualdad | imho, yates based on what you're saying, makes sense that you'd like fedora. but i wouldn't, because i have different needs |
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| 20:41.40 | yates | basically, from what i understand, debian and fedora are sort of polar opposites: debian is super-conservative and stable, fedora is bleeding-edge |
| 20:41.59 | yates | (and not-so-stable at meany times) |
| 20:42.15 | yates | do the proprietary nvidia drivers work well with debian 7 stable? |
| 20:42.15 | laigualdad | right |
| 20:43.17 | yates | i'm torn - i like each |
| 20:43.24 | yates | wanna have my cake and eat it, too.. |
| 20:43.38 | dumby | I've also read that package management and building packages is better on debian |
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| 20:44.34 | yates | dumby: what do you mean by "building packages"? do you mean building apps from source using source packages? or putting together a package itself? |
| 20:44.50 | laigualdad | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ why are there 4 DVD isos? |
| 20:44.54 | jelly-home | yates: [nvidia] yes, with some installation related caveats (ie. you'd best use the Debian Way of installing those) |
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| 20:45.16 | jelly-home | ,v nvidia-dkms |
| 20:45.17 | judd | No package named 'nvidia-dkms' was found in i386. |
| 20:45.25 | jelly-home | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 20:45.27 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.88-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 319.72-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 319.72-1; sid/non-free: 319.76-1; experimental/non-free: 331.20-2 |
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| 20:45.49 | dumby | building from source |
| 20:46.01 | dumby | more automated tools I guess, although I haven't done any of that. Just what I've read in passing |
| 20:46.34 | dumby | I'm gonna consider fedora at home for my desktop because Steam is close to being put into 'stable', although I've not heard of many issues running Steam on sid |
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| 20:47.15 | laigualdad | (bear with me, i'm slow.) i'd prefer to use torrents to download a full DVD rather than netinstall. do i have to download all of them, or just the last one ("update")? |
| 20:47.36 | laigualdad | (with torrents i can give back by uploading :3) |
| 20:47.45 | jelly-home | yates: see /msg dpkg nvidia, /msg dpkg nvidia dkms for more details |
| 20:47.52 | yates | does debian 7 stable deal with uefi boot based BIOSes/mb's? |
| 20:48.25 | ctmjr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:49.23 | yates | jelly-home: ok, thanks |
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| 20:49.28 | d33tah | hi guys |
| 20:49.32 | yates | thanks to you, too laigualdad |
| 20:49.37 | jennie | which ISO to download for 64bit intel ? |
| 20:49.41 | laigualdad | :) |
| 20:49.43 | jennie | whats its name ? |
| 20:49.49 | babilen | jennie: amd64 |
| 20:49.50 | d33tah | i asked my friend to do dpkg-reconfigure locales to add some locales, but he didn't see the dialog, just the list of locales with no menu. how to change it? |
| 20:49.58 | jennie | why amd64 for intel 64 ? |
| 20:50.02 | babilen | dpkg: ktell jennie -about why amd64 |
| 20:50.02 | dpkg | babilen: are you using Windows? |
| 20:50.09 | babilen | dpkg: tell jennie -about why amd64 |
| 20:50.17 | laigualdad | maybe babilen can answer this one. it's probably super simple, but i don't want to make a mistake. |
| 20:50.30 | babilen | laigualdad: You had a question |
| 20:51.11 | tremon | d33tah: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 20:51.24 | d33tah | tremon: thanks |
| 20:51.36 | laigualdad | yeah, i'd prefer to use torrents to download a full DVD rather than netinstall. i see there are actually four torrents. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ do i have to download all of them, or just the last one ("update")? |
| 20:52.05 | babilen | laigualdad: No, you want DVD1 not the update nor the source ones. All DVDs contain every single package in Debian. |
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| 20:52.30 | laigualdad | ah, so DVD2 and 3 are source? |
| 20:52.32 | jelly-home | yates: you may try asking the bot about other keywords like "uefi" too. I do not have any experience with uefi on consumer hw. |
| 20:53.22 | laigualdad | i didn't notice any distinction between them apart from 1,2,3 |
| 20:54.13 | laigualdad | maybe someone should rename them :o |
| 20:56.06 | d33tah | tremon: friend says that he tried all the options and it didn't help. |
| 20:56.06 | tremon | yates: the debian installer boots fine in uefi mode, but there are a few caveats. Most notably, partman does not automatically create a efi boot partition, and earlier installers had a bug that prevented the efivars module from loading |
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| 20:56.56 | grep0r | laigualdad, download net-install gonna be faster than download whole DVD iso |
| 20:57.17 | tremon | and without efivars, the installer tried a regular bios-based install. That should be fixed, make sure you have the latest stable installer |
| 20:57.29 | jhutchins | d33tah: Friend is not getting something. It works. |
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| 20:58.13 | laigualdad | grep0r yeah but i'll be installing it a few times with the same DVD. plus i want to help upload it. no i'd rather not. |
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| 20:58.21 | laigualdad | *so, |
| 20:59.05 | wes_incredible | My b43 based wireless now works on every boot, thanks to some help from babilen. However, it drops a few times per day and requires physically switching the Wifi off and back on to fix it. This is not an issue on Windows with the same machine. Are there any suggestions on what may cause this? |
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| 20:59.40 | laigualdad | babilen sorry, i assume DVD2 and DVD3 are source? thank you for all the help. |
| 20:59.47 | grep0r | laigualdad, you can you use same cd/dvd/usb whatever with net-install |
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| 21:00.05 | tremon | d33tah: can't really help through proxy. Have your friend ask his question here directly, or take over his machine and fix it for him |
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| 21:03.03 | laigualdad | grep0r i prefer to share my bandwidth by torrenting. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ do you know why there are 3 different DVD torrents? DVD1, DVD2, DVD3, etc.? |
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| 21:03.17 | knowing42 | tremon: i want to add support for the locale hi_IN in my system |
| 21:03.18 | babilen | laigualdad: I amd referring to http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 21:03.21 | knowing42 | can you help me with that |
| 21:03.28 | local | anyone in here who can help and explain to me how I can encrypt the swapfile which is used by dphys-swapfile upon system boot? I googled a lot but did not find any suitable solution yet :( |
| 21:03.30 | knowing42 | i am using ubuntu 12.04 |
| 21:03.55 | ectospasm | dpkg: tell knowing42 -about ubuntu |
| 21:04.12 | babilen | laigualdad: You will only need the first DVD (well CD really) to install Debian. The *entire* set of 8 DVDs of which we provide the first three contain *all* packages in Debian. |
| 21:04.33 | laigualdad | babilen, ah yes, that's a different link. i am referring to this one. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
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| 21:04.52 | laigualdad | i was just curious because it seems a bit... confusing, i guess |
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| 21:05.12 | laigualdad | i've got DVD1 going now, but i wanted to know |
| 21:05.21 | tremon | knowing42: for locales, I never go through debconf. Just edit /etc/locale.gen, look for the hi_IN line and remove the comment before it. Then rerun locale-gen |
| 21:07.15 | laigualdad | babilen: nevermind, your link has isos that are similarly named. i guess i would suggest someone rename them, but w/e |
| 21:07.17 | tremon | however, dpkg-reconfigure debconf and selecting and selecting "Dialog" should give you the normal, text-based dialog frontend. Test it by running the command again |
| 21:07.56 | laigualdad | babilen: thanks for the help, be back in a few hours or days :P |
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| 21:09.19 | ghostlines | howdy, anyone know a good guide for installing and configure ksplice? |
| 21:09.24 | laigualdad | oh hah, i think i understand now. DVD2 and 3 contain the rest of the packages. xD |
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| 21:09.43 | Gregor2 | hi |
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| 21:15.17 | Gregor2 | hi |
| 21:15.25 | Gregor2 | i made it |
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| 21:16.46 | Gregor2 | im chatting with you on windows now |
| 21:17.52 | zerick | !dd |
| 21:17.52 | dpkg | i guess dd is an abbreviation for Debian Developer, or a utility for the low-level copying and conversion of raw data: man dd, dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a CD/DVD. See also <win32 dd>, <ddrescue>, <gddrescue>. |
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| 21:19.43 | laigualdad | omgomgomg |
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| 21:20.38 | laigualdad | so, i rebooted my computer just for giggles. you know how apparently downloading the source code for multiarch doesn't work? |
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| 21:20.52 | laigualdad | it booted into the debian installer. |
| 21:21.05 | laigualdad | high five for brasero |
| 21:22.15 | laigualdad | (this is the URL: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/multi-arch/bt-dvd/) |
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| 21:22.54 | laigualdad | so i'll try that and hopefully everything works out :D |
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| 21:25.25 | penth | Has anyone put all three of the wheezy installation DVDs onto a single 16gb usb stick? Should I write the first iso to disk, then mount the other two on a loop device and rsync? |
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| 21:25.52 | penth | Or is there a way to unify all three more easily? |
| 21:27.34 | xrq | penth: not sure, but you might investigate how raspbian does it |
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| 21:28.17 | xrq | penth: maybe they use a tool or script that makes the process easier |
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| 21:53.59 | DrSlony | Hi, how does one get gtkmm >=2.22 on debian squeeze? |
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| 21:56.59 | jelly-home | DrSlony: one builds a wheezy chroot |
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| 21:57.52 | jelly-home | backporting libraries that many other packages depend on can have unfortunate consequences |
| 21:58.12 | DrSlony | so the simple answer is cant do it |
| 21:58.17 | DrSlony | easily. |
| 21:59.01 | jelly-home | actually, there's a good chance you can do it relatively easy, but there's a chance things will break |
| 21:59.08 | DrSlony | oh, how? |
| 21:59.18 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell DrSlony about ssb |
| 21:59.30 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell DrSlony about package rebuild |
| 22:00.26 | jelly-home | DrSlony: you might try using the simple sid backport ("ssb") procedure, but instead of building from sid deb-src on wheezy, build from wheezy deb-src on squeeze |
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| 22:01.12 | jelly-home | why do you need gtkmm anyway |
| 22:01.25 | DrSlony | some guy in a forum does |
| 22:01.37 | jelly-home | what for? |
| 22:01.42 | DrSlony | to build RawTherapee |
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| 22:02.01 | jelly-home | and he can't use Debian 7 because...? |
| 22:02.05 | DrSlony | personally i can't stand debian's package manager design, i think it was forged in hell |
| 22:02.21 | DrSlony | dont know dont care, just wanted to know how difficult it is to do it |
| 22:03.14 | jelly-home | it'd be better if he came in to ask instead of doing it proxy |
| 22:03.20 | jelly-home | by* proxy |
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| 22:03.49 | jelly-home | ,v libgtkmm-2.4-dev |
| 22:03.50 | judd | Package: libgtkmm-2.4-dev on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.20.3-1; wheezy: 1:2.24.2-1; jessie: 1:2.24.4-1; sid: 1:2.24.4-1 |
| 22:04.16 | DrSlony | jelly-home yes, in all likelyhood he will upgrade distros |
| 22:04.16 | penth | Considering that 'gtkmm squeeze-backports' has your forum conversation from January in the first five hits.... |
| 22:04.33 | DrSlony | debian does a rolling release variety too, right? |
| 22:04.51 | jelly-home | DrSlony: debian 6 only has about 6 months of support anyway. There's no rolling release (yet). |
| 22:05.03 | DrSlony | yes i just checked wikipedia |
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| 22:06.08 | DrSlony | thank you jelly-home |
| 22:07.37 | jelly-home | I assume the repo mentioned on the download package is outdated? |
| 22:07.56 | jelly-home | deb http://213.218.178.104/rawtherapee squeeze main |
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| 22:20.25 | nonconvergent | How do I add a page my apache server? |
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| 22:22.47 | jelly-home | nonconvergent: put it somewhere in the DocumentRoot and make sure it's readable by the user apache is running as (www-data) |
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| 22:23.23 | Bhaal666 | hi |
| 22:23.37 | nonconvergent | jelly-home: DocumentRoot? |
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| 22:24.22 | jelly-home | nonconvergent: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#documentroot |
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| 22:25.13 | jelly-home | /var/www by default |
| 22:27.14 | jhutchins | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.26 | jelly-home | nope |
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| 22:28.25 | jelly-home | see also: zless /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz, apache2ctl - |
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| 22:28.32 | jelly-home | see also: zless /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz, apache2ctl -S output |
| 22:28.46 | jelly-home | and, why the hell not, grep -R DocumentRoot /etc/apache2 |
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| 22:33.01 | talin_ | hello. i want to create a bootable usb-stick using windows 7. i have downloaded mini.iso such that i can boot and then download the files i need |
| 22:33.11 | talin_ | what software should i use to create the usb-stick on windows 7? |
| 22:33.40 | thewanderer1 | hi, how do I tell the kernel to use a firmware file? I've installed firmware-iwlwifi which ships with iwlwifi-7260-7.ucode (in sid), but my iwlwifi module does not want to pick it up. modprobe does not show the firmware file on the list. what is wrong? |
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| 22:36.18 | themill | thewanderer1: which kernel are you actually using? |
| 22:36.38 | thewanderer1 | themill, 3.12.4, compiled 20 minutes ago |
| 22:37.06 | themill | talin_: you probably want the netinst not the mini.iso and you can use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to copy it |
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| 22:37.29 | thewanderer1 | I am having a problem similar to this, but, for me, the firmware never loads: http://www.linux.org/threads/intel-7260-firmware-not-loaded.4280/ |
| 22:37.37 | themill | thewanderer1: hmm... does modinfo list the firmware? |
| 22:37.57 | thewanderer1 | themill, no, it doesn't |
| 22:38.09 | thewanderer1 | (older firmware files are listed, just not this one) |
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| 22:38.34 | LtL | talin_: i believe most people use this for making bootable images from windows. http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/ |
| 22:39.04 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: if it's installed in the correct place, loading the module anew will use it automatically |
| 22:39.12 | jesther | Hi. Where can I find the Debian developers packages required to program such as build-essential...? |
| 22:39.25 | jesther | On the website. |
| 22:39.52 | themill | thewanderer1: Either you forgot to frob the appropriate knob for that device when compiling or support has been dropped there. Debian's 3.11 loads that module just fine. |
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| 22:40.17 | themill | jesther: build-essential are the packages essential to building debian packages, not programming in general |
| 22:40.22 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: assuming the driver version you use actually has support for the hw and know about that fw file (that stuff listed with modinfo) |
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| 22:40.55 | thewanderer1 | themill, hmm, Debian's 3.11? I could try that... |
| 22:41.11 | talin_ | themill: what is the difference between netinst and mini? |
| 22:41.15 | thewanderer1 | (although it'd probably break Haswell's P-State support) |
| 22:41.19 | jesther | I saw that there were other requirements to program in general, I lost the webpage on the site though. |
| 22:41.43 | mouz\lex | I have an laptop with 4GB ram, should I use 64bit debian? |
| 22:41.57 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home, well, that's the problem - for some reason, modinfo does not list that one fw file |
| 22:42.09 | jesther | Hmm. It's already installed. |
| 22:42.10 | themill | talin_: mini.iso has to fetch everything over the network right from the start |
| 22:42.32 | themill | mouz\lex: no reason not to |
| 22:42.49 | thewanderer1 | also, where does `lspci` take its PCI IDs from? I don't think the version I have is current, as it still doesn't show my wireless card's name... |
| 22:43.05 | mouz\lex | themill: it won't run hotter or anything? (silly question I know..) |
| 22:43.15 | themill | no |
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| 22:43.47 | themill | thewanderer1: the pciids are embedded in the hardware; the names can be updated with update-pciids |
| 22:44.10 | themill | that's purely cosmetic though |
| 22:44.14 | thewanderer1 | themill, yes! just what I wanted to see. |
| 22:44.37 | talin_ | themill: sorry for asking so much, but is this documented somewhere? i can't find any details about this on the debian.org installation docs |
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| 22:45.26 | thewanderer1 | so would there be a way to tell the iwlwifi module to use the new firmware? |
| 22:45.51 | talin_ | themill: i'm reading at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ |
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| 22:51.53 | rryoumaa | can i use a 4tb hard drive on an mbr motherboard (with the partitions limited to 2tb) or is that inviting trouble? |
| 22:52.03 | talin_ | according to docs i should find the installer somewhere here: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/amd64/ |
| 22:52.13 | talin_ | should i download initrd.gz, linux or pxelinux.0? |
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| 22:52.16 | rryoumaa | (this is an external usb seagate backup plus) |
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| 22:52.38 | steven887 | I have four screen "windows"(created with Ctrl+a+c) open. Is it possible to open those four windows like this: http://kalug.linux.org.tw/~lloyd/bblog/img/screen-4split.jpg ? |
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| 22:54.20 | themill | talin_: no, you should download the netinst |
| 22:54.37 | themill | dpkg: tell talin_ about netinst |
| 22:55.03 | talin_ | themill: thank you |
| 22:55.25 | nonconvergent | easy way to search the contents of a directory for a string? |
| 22:55.41 | nonconvergent | not the filenames, the files themselves |
| 22:55.47 | themill | grep -r |
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| 22:58.04 | talin_ | thank you. i will try to install now |
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| 23:05.29 | teraflop | rryoumaa: gdisk |
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| 23:07.10 | rryoumaa | is that stable enough to use do you think? |
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| 23:07.46 | rryoumaa | (i find cfdisk the most usable of the partition tools i have tried) |
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| 23:10.49 | mutante | so i packaged my little web app as a .deb, and lintian tells me i should not put stuff in /var/www/ ever but leave "instructions for the local admin". oh well, since this is just a package that copies .php files in places, does it mean basically i should not package this kind of thing in the first place? hmmm |
| 23:10.49 | teraflop | rryoumaa: this package includes cgdisk and is usable 100%% |
| 23:12.01 | rryoumaa | thanks. hmm, after partitioning for gpt using parted, cgdisk says it is damaged. |
| 23:12.16 | rryoumaa | i can use an external usb 4tb drive no matter what motherboard i use, right? |
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| 23:13.03 | teraflop | afaik yes rryoumaa |
| 23:13.17 | rryoumaa | great, thanks |
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| 23:13.23 | teraflop | yw |
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| 23:14.54 | themill | mutante: is this package just for your own use or is it something you want to get into debian? |
| 23:15.23 | talin_ | when i chose a disk during installation, i choose to use entire disk. it makes swap and / and finds also EFIboot, and tells me these three partitions will be formatted if i choose to continue. i am worried since i think efiboot is my BIOS |
| 23:15.26 | mutante | themill: i don't want to get it into debian but i could have other users in a labs environment |
| 23:16.00 | mutante | i make it public on wikimedia |
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| 23:16.33 | mutante | i know there will always be /var/www/ because i make a puppet manifest create it, and install my package |
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| 23:17.12 | themill | mutante: so if it's for your own use, there's nothing stopping you from using /var/www since you are the local admin. Debian webapps packages normally put php/cgis/etc in /usr/share/$package and the configuration in /etc/$package/ and offer the admin a config snippet for /etc/apache2/conf.d that enables it |
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| 23:18.34 | mutante | themill: gotcha, yea, well, currently i put stuff in /usr/share/php/$package and /usr/lib/$package and /etc/$package AND /var/www/$package |
| 23:18.58 | mutante | tried to separate them by function kind of .. ok, i'll be fine i think |
| 23:19.24 | rryoumaa | what does "Found valid GPT with protective MBR; using GPT." mean? |
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| 23:20.35 | rryoumaa | ah, it's for backward compatibility of some kind |
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| 23:24.06 | mastro | I was dist-upgrading my system... |
| 23:24.48 | mastro | a choice popped up for configuration file change: use package maintainer / keep old.. I missclicked on enter before choosing use package version.. is there a way to go back on that choice? |
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| 23:25.35 | mastro | it was the default.list or something like that |
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| 23:26.26 | ufo_ | mapping Alt Gr to 'Left Alt' or 'Both Alt Keys' using 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration' doesn't seem to have any effect. Any hints? (Wheezy Stable) |
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| 23:27.11 | JordanJ2 | Hello, I would like to hide a file but let the user see the rest of the contents via ssh |
| 23:27.22 | JordanJ2 | Is this possible |
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| 23:28.09 | somiaj | JordanJ2: what do you mean by hide? And where would this file be located? |
| 23:28.10 | zykotick9 | JordanJ2: are you familiar with .hidden files? |
| 23:28.12 | mastro | please is there a way to go back on the choice? |
| 23:28.24 | JordanJ2 | I am not |
| 23:28.30 | Nik05 | JordanJ2 you mean in the same directory? |
| 23:28.38 | somiaj | JordanJ2: or as zykotick9 said hidden files, though that is only hidden by default, the user can still find the file and edit it |
| 23:28.40 | JordanJ2 | I do |
| 23:28.45 | zykotick9 | JordanJ2: just putting a period before a file will hide it. |
| 23:29.04 | somiaj | by default files starting with a ., like .file1, .file2, will not show up by an ls, but you can see them with ls -a |
| 23:29.28 | mastro | ok.. there's a .dpkg-dist file in there named the same.. I think I can just replace my file with this one |
| 23:29.35 | mastro | can anyone confirm? |
| 23:29.41 | Nik05 | JordanJ2 you can put the file in a directory that cant be read by everyone |
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| 23:30.11 | JordanJ2 | I would like the file to be hidden from that user |
| 23:30.19 | Nik05 | ufo_ did you restart? |
| 23:30.52 | Nik05 | JordanJ2 the user cant know its name? |
| 23:31.08 | Nik05 | if so put it in a directory that cant be read by that user |
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| 23:32.04 | Nik05 | if a user has read access to a directory, it can see all the files in it |
| 23:32.13 | JordanJ2 | Okay |
| 23:32.25 | ufo_ | Nik05: Eugh, should have done that first before asking. will do |
| 23:33.21 | Nik05 | JordanJ2 why would you want other behaviour? |
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| 23:38.32 | Nik05 | and ufo_? |
| 23:38.40 | Nik05 | oh quit |
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| 23:38.59 | mitya | hi gents |
| 23:39.21 | mitya | what should I do the original init script when I would like to run an app in chroot ? |
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| 23:39.47 | mitya | that requires different init script, which is done by my, but what is the official way to eliminate the original one ? |
| 23:40.11 | mitya | *done by me |
| 23:40.18 | ufo_ | Nik05: Nah now they both don't work. Set Alt Gr to both alt keys |
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| 23:42.50 | Nik05 | strange ufo_ but sorry dont know much about bindings |
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| 23:46.56 | ufo_ | whoa, just realized keyboard-configuration asked me "key to function as alt gr", not "key for alt gr to function as". pardon me |
| 23:47.44 | Nik05 | :) |
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