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| 00:00.10 | woshty | Gaaah, I did /network add network -autosendcmd 'command' |
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| 00:00.41 | LtL | woshty: if you don't like explicit instructions from the irssi website, try #irssi |
| 00:01.00 | woshty | Instead of /network add -autosendcmd 'command' network |
| 00:01.11 | woshty | LtL: I already know Nik05 from there :D |
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| 00:03.29 | fr0geer | hello |
| 00:03.35 | donttrustem | Failed to fetch http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/squeeze-backports(-sloppy)/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 2001:858:2:1::10 80] |
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| 00:03.36 | donttrustem | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 00:03.39 | fr0geer | I got pretty strange problem |
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| 00:04.10 | fr0geer | I remove empathy (apt-get remove empathy) and then, accidentally I do apt-get autoremove. My gnome dissapear |
| 00:04.13 | fr0geer | is it any fast way I could get it back? |
| 00:04.29 | cheeseboy | somehow theres I'm running linux 3.11-1 but theres no headers package for it? |
| 00:04.37 | cheeseboy | any way to fix? |
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| 00:05.50 | donttrustem | abrotman: I get an error with these backports downloading |
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| 00:09.31 | fr0geer | anyone, please? |
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| 00:13.16 | abrotman | donttrustem: use a pastebin to show us |
| 00:13.23 | donttrustem | OK |
| 00:13.30 | abrotman | donttrustem: or get the package directly from packages.debian.org |
| 00:13.56 | donttrustem | that is what I have resorted to |
| 00:14.56 | fr0geer | is there any fast way to restore gnome-desktop? |
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| 00:19.02 | cx-index | fr0geer: apt-get install gnome. i dont think there is faster way |
| 00:19.40 | fr0geer | cx-index: it's said, that gnome package has no candidate to installation |
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| 00:20.20 | dvs | ,v gnome |
| 00:20.21 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.8+4; sid: 1:3.8+4 |
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| 00:22.25 | fr0geer | I guess, that while removing empathy some gnome-* packages have been removed |
| 00:22.32 | fr0geer | e.g I don't have gnome-core |
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| 00:22.46 | fr0geer | while trying to install it, it's said, that it cannot find gnome-core package |
| 00:23.08 | dvs | fr0geer: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
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| 00:24.11 | fr0geer | dvs: it's empty oO |
| 00:24.19 | fr0geer | what should I put there, to be able to install gnome? |
| 00:24.46 | dvs | fr0geer: Nothing in /etc/apt/sources.list.d ? |
| 00:24.54 | fr0geer | yup, it's empty |
| 00:25.04 | dvs | look carefully |
| 00:25.14 | dvs | fr0geer: Nothing in /etc/apt/sources.list.d ? |
| 00:26.05 | fr0geer | yup I don't see anything there |
| 00:26.22 | dvs | !tell fr0geer about wheezy sources.list |
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| 00:26.27 | abrotman | apt-cache policy output might be better |
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| 00:26.59 | fr0geer | thanks |
| 00:27.13 | oo_miguel | Does debian provide any pdf reader that will allow me to add comments/notes? |
| 00:28.51 | abrotman | dpkg: tell oo_miguel about pdf edit |
| 00:29.12 | fr0geer | btw, if I have some gnome-* packages, what would be the best option for me? Remove gnome and install it once again? |
| 00:29.22 | oo_miguel | fr0geer: allright thx |
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| 00:30.45 | LtL | fr0geer: why don't you look in /var/log/dpkg.log and find out what was removed, fix sources.list and install it. |
| 00:30.59 | abrotman | or use the metapackage like you sohuld |
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| 00:33.06 | fr0geer | LtL ; nice idea, thanks :) |
| 00:33.34 | LtL | fr0geer: the meta-package is the best idea |
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| 00:34.00 | fr0geer | what is meta-package? |
| 00:34.06 | LtL | fr0geer: you need a sources.list if i read correctly or you're going nowhere fast |
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| 00:34.19 | fr0geer | I've already updated my sources.list |
| 00:34.33 | LtL | fr0geer: the gnome meta-package will install all of gnome |
| 00:34.33 | gueust43563 | anyone know how to change wine audio driver to winepulse.drv? |
| 00:34.41 | nonconvergent | what package do I need for gparted to make an exfat? |
| 00:34.45 | dvs | fr0geer: Did you do an "apt-get update"? |
| 00:34.52 | fr0geer | yup, waiting to update |
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| 00:35.02 | donttrustem | can anyone help me with this error please http://pastebin.com/0WANTSrj |
| 00:35.37 | donttrustem | trying to complie and it fails with that error |
| 00:35.56 | abrotman | so it needs a library |
| 00:36.16 | nonconvergent | exfat-utils? |
| 00:36.22 | abrotman | judd: versions libboost-chrono-dev |
| 00:36.23 | judd | Package: libboost-chrono-dev on i386 -- wheezy: 1.49.0.1; jessie: 1.54.0.1; sid: 1.54.0.1 |
| 00:36.33 | abrotman | donttrustem: which doesn't exist in squeeze |
| 00:36.40 | abrotman | nonconvergent: try it and see |
| 00:37.05 | donttrustem | hm! |
| 00:37.44 | nonconvergent | do I need exfat-fuse to r/w? |
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| 00:38.31 | firmware92 | hey guys if i am sshed into a remote computer and i wanted to launch say gedit on the remote computer on that display how would i do that? |
| 00:38.41 | donttrustem | abrotman: does that mean it will not work o squeeze |
| 00:38.45 | nonconvergent | ah, pulled both in anyway |
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| 00:39.55 | nf7 | How can I tell what architecture I have on my machine under Windows? |
| 00:40.00 | firmware92 | $ gedit --display=:1 gives me an error what am i not doing right? |
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| 00:40.36 | fr0geer | ok, it looks that gnome has been fixed, thans :) |
| 00:40.36 | abrotman | nf7: ask ##windows |
| 00:40.42 | donttrustem | I suppose I better update to whizzy then |
| 00:40.45 | abrotman | donttrustem: why can't you use wheezy? |
| 00:40.53 | nf7 | abrotman: Right, thanks |
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| 00:41.09 | abrotman | firmware92: we can't see the error ? |
| 00:41.09 | donttrustem | abrotman: I can on this box |
| 00:41.26 | donttrustem | I will upgrade |
| 00:41.29 | firmware92 | abrotman: ** (gedit:4473): WARNING **: Could not connect to session bus |
| 00:41.54 | ChibaPet | Would someone remind me, please, what package provides the Gnome calculator app in Wheezy? I see gnome-calculator in Sid, but I'm not sure what it is in Wheezy - I don't use it myself, but I had a request for it. |
| 00:42.10 | firmware92 | gcalc |
| 00:42.13 | firmware92 | ithink |
| 00:42.16 | ChibaPet | Thank you, checking that. |
| 00:42.19 | abrotman | firmware92: so don't run it as root |
| 00:42.22 | dvs | ,v gcalc |
| 00:42.23 | judd | No package named 'gcalc' was found in i386. |
| 00:42.26 | dvs | nope |
| 00:42.40 | ChibaPet | There's a gcalctool package. |
| 00:42.44 | abrotman | ChibaPet: gnome-calculator |
| 00:42.49 | ChibaPet | abrotman: In Wheezy? |
| 00:42.56 | firmware92 | im not running it as root abrotman |
| 00:42.57 | abrotman | judd: versions gnome-calculator |
| 00:42.58 | judd | Package: gnome-calculator on i386 -- jessie: 3.10.0-1; sid: 3.10.0-1 |
| 00:43.02 | abrotman | ugh .. guess not |
| 00:43.17 | ChibaPet | We're trying gcalctool to see if that's it. |
| 00:43.24 | abrotman | ChibaPet: sorry, forgot i'm not on wheezy anymore |
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| 00:43.46 | ChibaPet | No worries. I'm slowly moving systems up to Jessie myself. This one's still Wheezy though, at least for now. |
| 00:44.49 | abrotman | firmware92: is dbus running? |
| 00:44.50 | ChibaPet | firmware92: Thanks, it was gcalctool. It's my wife's computer, and there was some conflict with IceDove or something at some point, so the Gnome meta package had to go, and evidently I didn't turn off "auto" on some of the dependencies. |
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| 00:45.27 | firmware92 | abrotman: i assume so, how can i check? |
| 00:45.40 | ChibaPet | ps ax | grep dbus |
| 00:45.53 | ChibaPet | You should see a dbus-daemon. |
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| 00:46.24 | firmware92 | yeah its running |
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| 00:47.39 | firmware92 | i think im not defineing the display the right way im doing ":1" how would it know the user? |
| 00:47.48 | gueust43563 | anyone know how to change wine audio driver to winepulse.drv? |
| 00:48.11 | abrotman | firmware92: what if you run it without that option ? |
| 00:48.28 | abrotman | gueust43563: there's a #wine |
| 00:48.37 | ChibaPet | gueust43563: I could be wrong here, but it probably depends on how you're building Wine, as I don't believe the stock wine shipped by Debian has anything for Pulse. |
| 00:48.39 | dizzylizzy | is anyone using sid having issues with perl dependencies? |
| 00:48.54 | dizzylizzy | anyone know what's going on with the 5.14 -> 5.18 transition? |
| 00:48.55 | firmware92 | abrotman: $ gedit Cannot open display: |
| 00:49.07 | gueust43563 | abrotman, in #winehq they said to ask in my distribution |
| 00:49.18 | ChibaPet | dizzylizzy: FWIW, OFTC:#debian-next is a good place to talk about Jessie and Sid. You might find answers here, but you'll have luck there too. |
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| 00:49.27 | dizzylizzy | Thanks Chiba! |
| 00:49.33 | ChibaPet | gueust43563: What version of Debian are you running? |
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| 00:50.10 | gueust43563 | testing ,but wine is same version everywhere iirc |
| 00:50.29 | themill | dizzylizzy: the perl transition ended months ago |
| 00:50.47 | abrotman | assuming you've updated between now and then ... |
| 00:51.13 | ChibaPet | gueust43563: Yeah, looks like it's all 1.4ish. This falls outside of the scope of #debian support, but you're likely to have significantly more luck building from source. |
| 00:51.20 | abrotman | firmware92: so it won't run at all ? |
| 00:51.22 | dizzylizzy | themill, I see... that explains why I have over 100 packages taking issue to my oudated perl |
| 00:51.59 | gueust43563 | ChibaPet, do you mean to download latest wine from their website? |
| 00:52.06 | firmware92 | abrotman: it will run if im at the computer and i try to run it, but not remotely i think im missing something for the display |
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| 00:53.08 | donttrustem | wth http://pastebin.com/8P0AwPkk |
| 00:53.23 | donttrustem | I cannot upgrade the distro |
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| 00:54.15 | ChibaPet | gueust43563: The issue is that I don't believe Pulse support explicitly exists in Wine unless you're using a package someone else has built with funny patches. I handle Pulse integration here with libasound2-plugins, which offers a way to catch direct ALSA invocation and pump it through Pulse. |
| 00:54.16 | abrotman | donttrustem: did you read the release notes abou thow to do this? |
| 00:54.35 | donttrustem | I read tutorial |
| 00:54.44 | abrotman | appparently not |
| 00:54.51 | ChibaPet | gueust43563: I also find that I have lots better support with newer Wines, which is to say, 1.7 series from source. |
| 00:55.08 | donttrustem | abrotman: http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-upgrade-debian-squeeze-to-wheezy |
| 00:55.18 | abrotman | those are not hte release notes |
| 00:55.26 | abrotman | and you clearly forgot a step |
| 00:55.27 | gueust43563 | ChibaPet, wine programs lose audio during operation |
| 00:55.38 | gueust43563 | ChibaPet, with the alsa thingy |
| 00:56.53 | ChibaPet | gueust43563: Which software, out of curiosity? |
| 00:57.15 | gueust43563 | ChibaPet, that lose sound? |
| 00:57.50 | ChibaPet | gueust43563: I've asked because I see issues with things like Mumble that misbehave when adjusting system volume. But yes, what applications lose sound? |
| 00:58.20 | MoreRandomThanU | Mumble is awesome :> |
| 00:58.41 | MoreRandomThanU | Got a mumble server running |
| 00:58.57 | donttrustem | abrotman: OK .. yeah I know what missed just tierd been working for 18 hrs |
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| 00:59.16 | ChibaPet | MoreRandomThanU: Yes. But it isn't to be trusted to lower volume temporarily when someone's talking - at least here, it lowers it but never raises it again, which results in the system going completely silent fairly rapidly. |
| 00:59.36 | MoreRandomThanU | hmmmmm |
| 00:59.40 | ChibaPet | gueust43563: Ah, I don't know of any specific issues with that software. |
| 00:59.46 | MoreRandomThanU | Yeah got only a Debian 7.2 server running XD |
| 00:59.54 | ChibaPet | MoreRandomThanU: I just turned that feature off and it works fine. |
| 00:59.56 | MoreRandomThanU | I'm using just windows 7 xD |
| 01:00.01 | MoreRandomThanU | Oké :o |
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| 01:00.25 | gueust43563 | ChibaPet, sound stop working until I do paususpender -- winecfg |
| 01:00.49 | MoreRandomThanU | Got a question |
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| 01:00.54 | MoreRandomThanU | Postfix or Sendmail? |
| 01:01.30 | ChibaPet | MoreRandomThanU: That's a survey, not a question. |
| 01:01.35 | MoreRandomThanU | xD |
| 01:01.45 | MoreRandomThanU | But which one is nicer to use |
| 01:01.51 | MoreRandomThanU | And user friendly |
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| 01:02.42 | ChibaPet | MoreRandomThanU: Try them both and see which you like better. |
| 01:02.55 | cast | !sendmail |
| 01:02.56 | dpkg | Sendmail is one of the older Mail Transfer Agents, configurable using m4 and its own cf language. If you don't know why you want to use sendmail, consider using <postfix> or <exim> instead. Ask me about <mta comparison> for more information. http://www.sendmail.org/ #sendmail on irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:03.12 | cast | woops, i meant to say, anything that isn't sendmail |
| 01:03.16 | MoreRandomThanU | lol |
| 01:03.22 | MoreRandomThanU | xD |
| 01:03.24 | MoreRandomThanU | Thq Caesar |
| 01:03.26 | MoreRandomThanU | cast* |
| 01:03.34 | MoreRandomThanU | So postfix for the win :P |
| 01:03.46 | cast | i suggest you decide by looking at real world postfix and sendmail configs, the choice will be obvious depending on your personality type |
| 01:04.16 | Supaplex | yes, postfix is the yumm. |
| 01:04.25 | MoreRandomThanU | The yumm yeah? |
| 01:04.37 | MoreRandomThanU | :P |
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| 01:05.20 | Supaplex | well, the debs are bettar. ^.^ haha. |
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| 01:05.40 | MoreRandomThanU | hehehe :P |
| 01:06.01 | MoreRandomThanU | Well I'm off to sleep since it is already 02:05AM here, thq btw! |
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| 01:06.12 | nonconvergent | Hmm, doing some rsync -azv writes to a exFAT drive and it keeps complaining about not being able to chgrp |
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| 01:06.19 | MoreRandomThanU | Here a gift from me to u! http://listen.housetime.fm/tunein-mp3-asx a nice stream :C |
| 01:06.25 | MoreRandomThanU | byebye! |
| 01:07.35 | donttrustem | abrotman: I have just ran the upgrade and it returned some urgency low messages …. I have not seen this before. Does it mean I cannot upgrade? |
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| 01:07.54 | sushemsu | when I run gvncviewer 127.0.0.1:5900 I get "Failed to connect to server" with a return value of 0; when I don't specify :5900 (which the server is listening on) I get a session... what am i missing |
| 01:08.06 | abrotman | donttrustem: guess what, i can't see the messages |
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| 01:09.35 | donttrustem | abrotman: there was about 4 like this http://pastebin.com/G77GGfUf |
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| 01:10.35 | sabotender | i'm not entirely sure how to install applications for wine, because wine won't do it |
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| 01:10.56 | sabotender | do I install the applications under windows and run from there instead? |
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| 01:11.35 | abrotman | donttrustem: ignore them |
| 01:11.42 | donttrustem | OK |
| 01:12.33 | ChibaPet | sabotender: Oftentimes there's an installer for the app, and you run that using Wine. |
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| 01:12.56 | sabotender | ChibaPet: I get an error when I try to run the installer under wine |
| 01:13.08 | ChibaPet | sabotender: Note that you can set WINEPREFIX to be different for every application if you wish to maintain a pristine environment for each. |
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| 01:13.32 | sabotender | im new to wine (and linux for that matter) not sure what the prefix means |
| 01:13.39 | ChibaPet | sabotender: I'd ask on a Wine mailing list. Many things don't run under Wine at all, or require some work in advance to run. Also check out your application on the WineHQ web site to see what other people have said. |
| 01:13.48 | sabotender | let me run the installer in wine again and I will give you the error |
| 01:14.07 | sabotender | ChibaPet: I already checked, it was given a 'Platinum' rating |
| 01:14.10 | ChibaPet | sabotender: Ignore the prefix for now - consider it an advanced option that can keep different programs out of each others' hair sometime in the future. |
| 01:14.12 | sabotender | which means it *should* run |
| 01:14.46 | ChibaPet | sabotender: What app, in case it's something I've encountered? |
| 01:15.05 | sabotender | ChibaPet: diptrace |
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| 01:15.24 | sabotender | installer called: dipfree_en64.exe |
| 01:15.31 | ChibaPet | sabotender: Not one I've seen. I'd recommend asking in a Wine support forum, as someone will certainly have clues. I don't unfortunately. |
| 01:16.21 | sabotender | 'Novarm Diptrace (2.3) is not allowed to run on Win7 (6.1). Setup Aborted!' |
| 01:16.29 | sabotender | heh |
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| 01:16.40 | rsch | install wine from upstream before asking |
| 01:16.48 | abrotman | !enter |
| 01:16.49 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 01:17.24 | sabotender | rsch: from where? |
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| 01:17.51 | sushemsu | I actually got a good laugh out of the !enter response |
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| 01:18.17 | mint_ | Anybody here know if it's possible to use the "remove_hiberfile" with ntfs-3g in /etc/fstab, so it always mounts windows partitions, even if they were shutdown improperly? I know you can use ntfs-3g as the filesystem type for mounting, but was wondering if you could use the remove_hiberfile under options, along with defaults,locale=en* etc. |
| 01:18.37 | sabotender | I found it to be weird. I mean who uses the enter key as a substitute for punctuation? |
| 01:18.42 | ufo_ | will Skype only work with pulseaudio? |
| 01:18.48 | rsch | sabotender: they don't like the debian version being behind, they will tell him to install wine from another source before asking for help |
| 01:18.50 | abrotman | mint_: you know there's a Mint support channel, right ? |
| 01:18.59 | mint_ | Anybody here know if it's possible to use the "remove_hiberfile" with ntfs-3g in /etc/fstab, so it always mounts windows partitions, even if they were shutdown improperly? I know you can use ntfs-3g as the filesystem type for mounting, but was wondering if you could use the remove_hiberfile under options, along with defaults,locale=en* etc |
| 01:19.06 | abrotman | mint_: you know there's a Mint support channel, right ? |
| 01:19.07 | anikras | is possible aptitude with color ?? |
| 01:19.19 | mint_ | I'm not using mint as my distro, just in a live environgment so find something better to complain about |
| 01:19.33 | abrotman | mint_: so how is your question releated to this channel ? |
| 01:19.35 | ufo_ | mint_: complain? |
| 01:19.44 | sabotender | rsch: I've already tried to update it, and ran into a whole other set of dependency errors (which no one has seemed to have ever seen before) so I gave up |
| 01:19.48 | mint_ | it's related to every linux that uses /etc/fstab |
| 01:19.56 | mint_ | and people who run into the same issue |
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| 01:19.58 | abrotman | mint_: which distro are you trying to get support for ? |
| 01:20.04 | mint_ | debian |
| 01:20.09 | abrotman | which Debian? |
| 01:20.20 | abrotman | or just try it, not sure why you're asking us |
| 01:20.20 | mint_ | squeeze/jessie |
| 01:20.28 | abrotman | oh, he just keeps lying |
| 01:20.39 | ChibaPet | sabotender: Sorry, was AFK. Note that in winecfg (the tool - run it) you can choose a different Windows version. |
| 01:20.42 | mint_ | hehe |
| 01:20.45 | sabotender | right now, I am just trying to get the wine version that Debian installs to work with diptrace. |
| 01:20.58 | abrotman | mint_: let's try this again, What is your distro ? |
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| 01:21.05 | sabotender | ChibaPet: oh i run that configuration thingy from its icon in the applications section |
| 01:21.07 | mint_ | debian testing jessie |
| 01:21.18 | themill | mint_: perhaps come back when you're actually running debian then. This isn't a generic question but is going to be related to the specific versions of the tools you have. |
| 01:21.22 | mint_ | hwo about answering or stop talking about nonsens |
| 01:21.24 | mint_ | e |
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| 01:22.11 | ChibaPet | sabotender: Run the "winecfg" command, and find the "Applications" tab. Choose something different in the "Windows Version" drop-down menu. |
| 01:22.34 | donttrustem | abrotman: ok .. all upgraded but when I use apt i still get those bloody messages …. any idea how to stop them |
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| 01:22.46 | abrotman | donttrustem: use a pastebin to show us |
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| 01:22.53 | abrotman | donttrustem: i can't see your screen |
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| 01:23.21 | donttrustem | I will try it is reading the install log |
| 01:23.57 | sabotender | ChibaPet: I have already filled out that portion. Windows XP was defaulted, but then I changed it to Windows 7 when the prior did not work |
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| 01:24.36 | ChibaPet | sabotender: The message you noted talked explicitly about Windows 7, which is why I asked. Presumably the message was different the first time you tried it, then...? |
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| 01:25.54 | sabotender | ChibaPet: Well, the message is the same, except for the operating system I change it to. I just changed it to Vista and it now complains not being able to run on Vista. |
| 01:27.20 | donttrustem | abrotman: this is what I get everytime http://pastebin.com/35rcMDE3 |
| 01:27.44 | ChibaPet | sabotender: Check out the Wine support forums. There must be something you need as a precursor. Some packages require libraries to be installed in advance. |
| 01:27.45 | nf7 | Hi, I think Debian installed my wireless drivers. How do I enable them? I don't have an internet connection on the machine. |
| 01:27.52 | abrotman | donttrustem: remove apt-listchanges |
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| 01:28.16 | robert_ | is there a way I can set up a vlan without using the ethX.nnn interface notation? say, using the 'iface vlanNNN' and bridging or bonding it to the vlanNNN interface? |
| 01:28.50 | robert_ | (it being a bridged interface) |
| 01:28.54 | robert_ | 'it' ** |
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| 01:29.57 | gueust43563 | is it ok to use wine source from their website? |
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| 01:30.18 | donttrustem | arafangion: how do I remove this |
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| 01:31.12 | abrotman | donttrustem: how do you remove any other package? |
| 01:31.26 | donttrustem | done … |
| 01:31.38 | donttrustem | didn't know it was a package |
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| 01:34.21 | Mike9863 | My lock screen doesn't have an option for volume. Can anyone help me get the lock screen that has the option to change volume? Is it part of GDM or lightdm? |
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| 01:36.01 | ChibaPet | Mike9863: Those are display managers, and typically your screen lock will be different. I don't know of any that have on-screen controls for volume. Doesn't mean there isn't one - just not one I've heard of. |
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| 01:38.28 | nonconvergent | The screen lock is part of the environment itself or xscreensaver. |
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| 01:41.10 | gueust43563 | anyone know what packages are 32 bit development binaries? |
| 01:42.02 | sabotender | oh dear. i give up |
| 01:42.25 | nonconvergent | !dpkg tell gueust43563 about multiarch |
| 01:43.04 | ChibaPet | gueust43563: The way this is typically handled now is by installing i386 using the dpkg multiarch. However, this will fail with Wheezy as the development libraries conflict. My builds here are done on a dedicated i386 Xen instance made for the purpose. I'll be seeing if this has been fixed in Jessie/Sid soon. |
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| 01:43.49 | sabotender | I think I should try a different network for debian or something. |
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| 01:44.21 | ChibaPet | sabotender: ? |
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| 01:45.03 | gueust43563 | ChibaPet, I am on testing |
| 01:45.13 | nf7 | Is there a way to automatically install every driver that I'm missing under Debian after a fresh install? or do I have to do each one manually? Or is there a way to tell me which ones I'm missing? |
| 01:45.23 | ChibaPet | sabotender: So, I use Wine for some corner cases, and the place I have to find answers tends to be winehq.org. |
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| 01:45.59 | ChibaPet | gueust43563: It's possible that multiarch will work for you for building as well as running. I just use it for running Wine on my main desktop box, but that's Wheezy. |
| 01:46.21 | ChibaPet | gueust43563: Try back tomorrow and I can tell you how it worked out under Jessie (Testing). :) |
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| 01:46.43 | gueust43563 | wine work ChibaPet , I just downloaded source from sourceforge and trying to compile it |
| 01:46.48 | blkdg | hello, i installed debian 7.2 amd64. How do I install Oracle's JRE ? |
| 01:46.57 | abrotman | openjdk doesn't work ? |
| 01:47.08 | gueust43563 | ChibaPet, ok, Ill ask tomorrow |
| 01:47.19 | blkdg | abrotman, minecraft website does not see it. |
| 01:47.54 | ChibaPet | gueust43563: If you're feeling adventurous, you can use a chroot with just i386 in it and build there. The issue is that some of the development packages (as of Wheezy) conflicted with each other. |
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| 01:50.50 | blkdg | abrotman, when I use chrome to go to the minecraft site, it says that java is needed. so i click on install missing plugin, and it takes me to the oracle site, i downloaded the x64 version, and uncompressed the tarball. what do i do next? |
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| 01:51.57 | zinx | blkdg: delete the downloaded tarball, assuming you just uncompressed it and didn't install it |
| 01:51.58 | ChibaPet | blkdg: https://wiki.debian.org/Java/Sun |
| 01:52.09 | zinx | blkdg: then install a version that's Debian packaged :P |
| 01:52.33 | blkdg | ok. will read. thank you. |
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| 01:55.58 | sabotender | ChibaPet: the problem is, I'm really trying to like GNU/Linux/Debian but I keep running into problems which mane me run back to the open arms of Windows or OSX. Dependency-crap issues is just one of the (big) issues. Those problems could easily be solved if these applications 'shipped' with all of their dependents. I'd love to design my own distro if I had the time and money (mostly money) to do it. I could make it so much more user friendly. |
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| 01:56.42 | sabotender | the only thing im liking about GNU/Linux/Debian right now is Gnome3 |
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| 01:57.34 | abrotman | how are you installing things that don't have dependencies supplied? |
| 01:58.18 | sabotender | no clue, abrotman. I tried to update wine and was thrown into dependency he**. |
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| 01:59.29 | abrotman | because you'r eusing wine packages frrom outside debian not meant for your version of Debian |
| 01:59.48 | ChibaPet | sabotender: Wine is a special case because people tend to run it on 64-bit systems, but because it's Wine it tends to need to be 32-bits. This causes issues of various sorts. |
| 01:59.58 | blkdg | i am getting java-pakage now. |
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| 02:00.13 | dondelelcaro | you're often better off finding a package in Debian that does what the windows-only thing you're using does. |
| 02:00.53 | ChibaPet | abrotman: Unfortunately, the shipped Wine isn't sufficient for some uses. Wine doesn't do a lot of backporting of fixes, so the "stable" wine is really more just a snapshot of the tree at that particular point. Fixes follow the rolling release. |
| 02:00.54 | sabotender | dondelelcaro: i've alrwady asked. theres nothing like kicad/diptrace/eagle available for linux |
| 02:01.15 | abrotman | ChibaPet: I'm aware of the wine issues |
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| 02:01.56 | ChibaPet | abrotman: Well, the Debian-specific issue is that the way we should be building it (using multi-arch) isn't possible in Wheezy. |
| 02:02.44 | ChibaPet | So one is stuck with a non-working Wine or jumping through some initially non-obvious hoops to get a build working. It's just not ideal. |
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| 02:05.12 | blkdg | WOOO HOOO!!!! |
| 02:05.18 | dondelelcaro | sabotender: http://opencircuitdesign.com/ for example; there are others too |
| 02:05.23 | sabotender | blkdg: happy much? :-P |
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| 02:05.49 | blkdg | thank you zinx , ChibaPet , and abrotman |
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| 02:06.03 | ChibaPet | blkdg: Good, enjoy. |
| 02:06.07 | dondelelcaro | (and most of the proprietary ones have linux versions too) |
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| 02:06.21 | blkdg | sabotender, yes, christmas present prep got one step easier! |
| 02:06.23 | dondelelcaro | s/most/mahy/ |
| 02:07.21 | ChibaPet | blkdg: Oh, interesting. I think your Christmas present is going to be identical to what I'm giving my step-sons this year. :) |
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| 02:09.26 | shellox | hi |
| 02:09.46 | shellox | I need some help with some nasty apt-pinning problem |
| 02:10.28 | shellox | I've pinned a package but get now when running aptitude update |
| 02:10.31 | shellox | E: Invalid record in the preferences file /etc/apt/preferences.d/preferences, no Package header |
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| 02:15.42 | nf7_ | Hi , I installed Debian offline via USB without network access and now i have no sources to install packages from, how do I add the default ones? |
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| 02:16.21 | ChibaPet | nf7_: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 02:17.18 | nf7_ | ChibaPet: So where do I find the default sources file? |
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| 02:17.59 | dvs | !tell nf7_ about wheezy sources.list |
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| 02:20.29 | ChibaPet | nf7_: The wiki page describes that in the very first full sentence. |
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| 02:22.41 | nf7_ | ChibaPet: It describes the source list file. Mine has nothing in it. |
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| 02:23.23 | dvs | nf7_: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list_for_Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22 |
| 02:23.38 | ChibaPet | nf7_: Read the whole page. End of help. |
| 02:23.39 | blkdg | ChibaPet, yup. btw the wiki dosn't tell people to apt-get install java-package first. |
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| 02:24.18 | ChibaPet | blkdg: I'd sort of think OpenJDK would work. I'm certainly going to try that first here. They might be assuming that as well. I haven't dug in yet, though, so I'm just guessing. |
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| 02:25.05 | blkdg | it was weird because my first googling sent me to https://wiki.debian.org/Java/ |
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| 02:26.21 | blkdg | and i could not get make-jpkg to work until i came here and asked again and read it again to see that was missing. i actually googled that make-jpkg line and it sent me here http://www.kuwait-tech.com/linux-qr/files/07.6.txt |
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| 02:27.14 | blkdg | and their first instruction is to get java-package. anyhow, good luck with the present. |
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| 02:27.46 | ChibaPet | Thanks. :) |
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| 02:30.23 | shellox | is there any magic you need to make apt pinning work? |
| 02:30.30 | shellox | i added the preferences file |
| 02:30.36 | shellox | but always get the errror |
| 02:30.40 | shellox | error* |
| 02:30.45 | shellox | E: Invalid record in the preferences file /etc/apt/preferences, no Package header |
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| 02:38.12 | shellox | fixed it.. |
| 02:38.15 | shellox | fucking encoding |
| 02:38.15 | abrotman | shellox: pinning doesn't alwas work that well, what are you actually trying to do? |
| 02:38.22 | shellox | abrotman: got it |
| 02:38.25 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:38.30 | shellox | vim had utf8 + bom |
| 02:38.31 | shellox | aww |
| 02:38.35 | shellox | need to fix vimrc |
| 02:38.37 | shellox | ;) |
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| 02:47.41 | elik | Hey, I just rebuilt my kernel from sources (I want to make modifications). I got my kernel from apt-get source linux, copied my .config file from /boot/config-3.11-2-amd64. Somehow, after building, the module I'm interested in (rt61pci.ko) is 700kb, while the one installed on my system with the binary package is 30k |
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| 02:48.49 | elik | I would have expected something a bit closer. file also reports the same information for both files |
| 02:50.36 | abrotman | did you do debugging stuff accidentially? |
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| 02:51.15 | elik | abrotman: not to my knowledge, I only did make |
| 02:51.26 | elik | abrotman: and copied the config file from the same machine |
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| 02:52.09 | elik | abrotman: which I think gives the options for compiling said kernel |
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| 02:56.19 | Miesco | What is det(A) if A is nilpotent? |
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| 02:57.59 | suser1 | hey elik - how long did the compile take? |
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| 02:59.15 | elik | suser1: I didn't really time it |
| 02:59.24 | elik | but somewhere around 30 minutes |
| 02:59.35 | suser1 | just curious - thanks.. |
| 02:59.37 | elik | suser1: that being said, it was a fairly slow machine |
| 02:59.59 | elik | suser1: 2 cores, slow disks |
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| 03:02.12 | wolfspy | Hi I just installed Debian and I get this error http://imgur.com/3uuJZD7 |
| 03:02.24 | wolfspy | Upon booting |
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| 03:07.37 | wolfspy | Hi I just installed Debian and get this error upon booting http://imgur.com/3uuJZD7 |
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| 03:11.18 | Supaplex | wolfspy: looks like the initrd is bad |
| 03:12.40 | wolfspy | It happened in Ubuntu and I fixed it by changing the working mode of the sata controller |
| 03:12.45 | wolfspy | But that did not work |
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| 03:18.55 | nf7_ | How do I choose what desktop environment I boot into by default? I installed with GNOME but I've switched to KDE (and installed it), still boots into GNOME though. |
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| 03:23.16 | elik | abrotman: You were right, objdumped both files and the one I compiled had debugging symbols (as /boot/config-3.11 sets it to yes). It's just odd as I saw /proc/config.gz was disabled because this file provides the same information, yet it doesn't seem entirely accurate |
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| 03:31.14 | Supaplex | wolfspy: #debian-boot -- probably reinstall the kernel, but I'm not as savy as walking people through that |
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| 04:37.12 | reavengrey | LOL |
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| 04:47.57 | cast | what package would AD11CF6A: public key "Debian Live Signing Key (2013) <debian-live@lists.debian.org>" be in? have checked debian-archive-keyring debian-keyring debian-ports-archive-keyring |
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| 05:34.29 | buu | Hrm |
| 05:34.47 | buu | Is there any clever way to get osx to 'trust' my self created ssl-snakeoil certificate? |
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| 05:37.12 | JordanJ2 | buu, What internet browser? |
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| 05:42.21 | buu | JordanJ2: chrome |
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| 05:43.03 | JordanJ2 | Hmm, I would look around in chrome's setting there /should/ be a option there |
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| 05:44.10 | buu | It just uses system's proxy settings.. |
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| 05:46.25 | JordanJ2 | I'm not very expirienced in Debian. It would be best to wait for someone knowledgable to help you :) |
| 05:46.37 | buu | Well this is more of an osx question, heh |
| 05:47.09 | yelow79 | then ask in an osx channel instead of debian channel |
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| 05:50.41 | NotJimCarrey | trying to build xbmc, but keep getting errors on DVDPlayerVideo.o. anyone know what the problem may be? http://pastebin.com/1iwrAyap |
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| 05:54.58 | smjd | okay maybe 'xset s off' works |
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| 06:11.07 | boudiccas | thanks phy1729 , it was needed to help register with a website with a bllody stupid captcha! It only took 7 attempts before i finally got in! enough to piss off a saint! |
| 06:11.07 | apt | boudiccas: gern geschehen |
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| 06:15.14 | ikla | seems like the mountnfs script is a PoS |
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| 06:19.13 | buu | Wow, where did the debian wiki go |
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| 06:23.08 | jarray52 | Can someone suggest a good nameserver ip address, which is pretty fast in the US and has good uptime? |
| 06:23.27 | leahcim | 8.8.8.8 |
| 06:24.40 | NotJimCarrey | and 8.8.4.4 |
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| 06:25.48 | jarray52 | Something other than 8.8.8.8. |
| 06:25.49 | jarray52 | Did Google just get hacked? |
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| 06:27.06 | JordanJ2 | I believe google has a extremely low chance of getting hacked |
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| 07:17.55 | sushemsu | fun fact: sending signal USR1 to dd will output progress on stderr and resume copying |
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| 07:20.58 | echofox | im having some trouble that i dont understand.... when i log into my account, i get kicked out before the desktop loads and brings me back to the lock screen |
| 07:21.13 | echofox | login screen* sorry |
| 07:21.28 | echofox | but i can log in as root. |
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| 07:22.26 | sushemsu | can you log into a tty as 'user' |
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| 07:23.02 | local | hello all. If I start the /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server after I manually stopped it, do I have to run "exportfs -ra" or is the "exportfs" command not necessary to be executed ? |
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| 07:24.17 | echofox | sushemsu, how do i go about doing that? |
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| 07:25.10 | sushemsu | echofox: either use ctl+alt+f2 to switch to a non-window manager based login, (switching back should be either ctl+alt+f1 or f7) or log in as root, open a terminal, and use 'su - user' |
| 07:25.38 | sushemsu | echofox: reason: if you cannot, the issue is not window manager resources, if you can, it is |
| 07:25.46 | sushemsu | echofox: or should be |
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| 07:27.32 | JordanJ2 | Hello, can anyone tell me how to go about restricting users commands and directories via ssh? |
| 07:27.49 | echofox | hmm i did "su -user" and i was logged into that user name |
| 07:27.57 | echofox | via terminal |
| 07:28.28 | echofox | should i change my password? |
| 07:29.06 | echofox | i just installed debian like 30 minutes ago |
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| 07:30.00 | sushemsu | echofox: does it tell you authentication failure, or does it look like it actually tries to load something when logging into 'user' |
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| 07:30.33 | echofox | sushemsu, the screen goes black for about 4 seconds then brings me back to the log in screen |
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| 07:30.54 | sushemsu | echofox: i'd start to look @ /var/log/gdm3/ files |
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| 07:31.28 | echofox | and what would i look for? |
| 07:31.35 | sushemsu | echofox: errors |
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| 07:32.17 | echofox | sushemsu, i do not have a gdm3 folder |
| 07:32.34 | echofox | i have a lightdm |
| 07:33.46 | sushemsu | echofox: does /var/log/lightdm exist? |
| 07:34.10 | echofox | sushemsu, yep |
| 07:34.25 | sushemsu | grep -i error /var/log/lightdm/* | more |
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| 07:35.21 | sushemsu | echofox: also on the login screen, if the option is available, can you choose a different session? |
| 07:35.39 | echofox | i tried both lxde and openbox |
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| 07:37.19 | sushemsu | ooo what does /var/log/auth.log say |
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| 07:43.35 | echofox | sushemsu, thanks for the help, im ready to pass out. ill take a crack at it tomorrow. all i installed was tightvnc,mediatomb,qbitrorrent,and subsonic |
| 07:44.00 | sushemsu | echofox: mmk, I'm sorry it took a while, too used to /var/log/secure from redhat |
| 07:44.09 | sushemsu | echofox: wish I was more help |
| 07:44.17 | echofox | i made an autostart file which i deleted for vnc |
| 07:44.34 | echofox | sushemsu, dont worry about, thanks a ton. |
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| 07:45.18 | sushemsu | echofox: have any good techno songs/trance worth listening to? |
| 07:45.25 | vyrly | Wy on Debian download FTP have 3 DVD, but on the page (http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/amd64/iso-dvd/) there are sums for 10 DVD's |
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| 07:45.35 | echofox | ants by edit |
| 07:45.49 | echofox | or ashtray by edit |
| 07:45.52 | vyrly | why?, There are only 3 DVD |
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| 07:46.13 | sushemsu | echofox: win : ) |
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| 07:48.15 | sushemsu | I'm not quite sure how but I've got both the normal gnome3 menu (upper right corner to activate) and what looks like the gnome2 menu at the top, and love the s*** out of it |
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| 07:53.43 | wsky | c:\ |
| 07:54.08 | wsky | whoops, sorry, the downside of having two workstations on one desk |
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| 08:05.22 | reazem | Hi! My small buisness wants employes to be able to login from every desktop and acces his same home folder, what is that called? Where can I read on it? thanks! |
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| 08:08.00 | sushemsu | reazem: mutliple solutions, but sharing from a fileserver (nfs/cifs) and controlled by some authentication (nis/ldap), https://www.google.com/#q=sharing+home+folder+between+distros |
| 08:09.26 | reazem | sushemsu: nfs and ldap was what I was looking for. I'll go learn how to do that, thanks. |
| 08:09.43 | sushemsu | reazem: that's the better combo : ) |
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| 08:10.29 | reazem | sushemsu: Can I share my excitement? My boss asked me to get rid of windows, even on the workstations. |
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| 08:11.07 | pfote | reazem: grats :-) |
| 08:11.19 | sushemsu | reazem: REJOICE... i'm stuck using centrify, which is a hacked version of ldap |
| 08:12.05 | sushemsu | reazem: so when excessing the potential windows (i'm assumin altiris) servers you can push out a kickstart machine off of it? |
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| 08:13.08 | sushemsu | reazem: also what's the small business do? |
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| 08:14.00 | reazem | W're not in IT. We manage buildings. Condos, apartments... |
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| 08:14.15 | sushemsu | ah just curious is all |
| 08:14.19 | reazem | It's my part time job, i study. |
| 08:14.43 | reazem | non-it people will get to use debian. |
| 08:14.52 | reazem | that's awesome. |
| 08:15.11 | pirret | that will ruin their workflow for sure :) |
| 08:15.22 | reazem | I'll try to make it smooth. |
| 08:15.23 | sushemsu | reazem: remember to register http://linuxcounter.net/main.html |
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| 08:15.41 | sushemsu | they were on windows, workflow doesn't exist |
| 08:16.11 | reazem | And they don't need that much software. Internal web apps will work as usual. |
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| 08:16.16 | reazem | Rest is libre office. |
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| 08:16.33 | reazem | Finance software will be the most trouble. |
| 08:17.27 | bhuddah | libre office is one of the seven plagues |
| 08:17.47 | reazem | You want me to use vim? |
| 08:17.55 | bhuddah | oh. there were ten of them. sorry. -.- |
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| 08:18.26 | bhuddah | too early to get my theology right ^^ |
| 08:18.44 | sushemsu | reazem: vim? why not ex |
| 08:18.58 | bhuddah | reazem: uhm... i really don't know. all alternatives are equally problematic. |
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| 08:19.12 | sushemsu | http://xkcd.com/378/ |
| 08:19.20 | reazem | I didn't know of any other alternative for non-it people. |
| 08:19.39 | reazem | sushemsu: lol |
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| 08:21.00 | sushemsu | staroffice -> openoffice -> libreoffice |
| 08:21.17 | bhuddah | M) |
| 08:22.08 | reazem | "75 Million Downloads of Apache OpenOffice" |
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| 08:23.17 | sushemsu | sigh my bios has more then 300 hard drives listed... I only have 2 |
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| 08:28.02 | sushemsu | I figure it will, but if I add a i686/386 repo to get libX11.so.6, it's gonna want to resolv dependancies, hundreds right? |
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| 08:35.49 | pogi_ako | hello |
| 08:36.07 | sushemsu | pogi_ako: hi |
| 08:36.25 | pogi_ako | sushemsu: what are Debian's key features? |
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| 08:36.59 | sushemsu | guess I wasn't fast enoguh |
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| 08:37.19 | pogi_ako | What are Debian's key features? |
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| 08:37.54 | bhuddah | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=debian+key+features |
| 08:37.55 | sushemsu | pogi_ako: havn't been using it long enough, one of the biggest imo has to be architectures supported |
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| 08:38.35 | sushemsu | bhuddah: HAHAH that's awesome |
| 08:39.02 | bhuddah | ^^. but seriously... start with the wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_GNU/Linux |
| 08:39.15 | pogi_ako | basically i'd go for an OS that is stable yet dynamic and lively like Ubuntu but am disappointed with it lately. am using 13.04 and cant use 13.10 whenever i finish installing it |
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| 08:41.30 | sushemsu | if I understand correctly, debian is to ubuntu what redhat is to centos, (not clear cut, considering rhel is commercial) |
| 08:41.41 | bhuddah | pogi_ako: we are not going to loose words about ubuntu in here. sorry. but you might want to try debian. |
| 08:42.19 | bhuddah | it's more complex than that. but there debian is upstream to ubuntu as it is used as the base of it. |
| 08:42.19 | pogi_ako | I might be switching to Debian, but I want to know about it |
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| 08:42.59 | pogi_ako | Will it be hard for me to get most of the known open-source apps? |
| 08:43.04 | bhuddah | no. |
| 08:43.18 | bhuddah | debian has a massive repository of free software |
| 08:43.35 | pogi_ako | i.e. Chrome (not Chromium), Steam, etc. |
| 08:43.36 | bhuddah | pogi_ako: do us all a favor and read at least the wikipedia article on it first. |
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| 08:43.45 | bhuddah | *freeÜ software |
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| 08:44.19 | sushemsu | pogi_ako: fyi if you like steam, run with jessi build |
| 08:44.33 | sushemsu | default libc6 is the version you will need, and upgrading that is a pain |
| 08:44.35 | pogi_ako | sushemsu: What's that? |
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| 08:45.31 | sushemsu | pogi_ako: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie |
| 08:46.05 | pogi_ako | It's still in work? |
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| 08:46.16 | sushemsu | I'm running it now, its not a stable release |
| 08:46.23 | pogi_ako | lol |
| 08:46.36 | pogi_ako | Can I not get Steam on Debian 7: |
| 08:46.41 | sushemsu | but I've yet to really run into a crash for something I didn't manually invoke |
| 08:46.43 | pogi_ako | Wheezy*? |
| 08:47.20 | sushemsu | so, you can, it's just if you get the current version of steam it's really anal about libc6, a very important library, which if not upgraded properly will easily break the crap out of your system |
| 08:47.27 | jaami_ | jaami-win |
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| 08:48.10 | sushemsu | pogi_ako: try out jessie, see what it's like |
| 08:48.52 | pogi_ako | sushemsu: lol |
| 08:48.58 | pogi_ako | sushemsu: thanks |
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| 08:50.35 | sushemsu | another + about using debian, is i've found more people in here willing to help me answer my stupid questions... |
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| 08:51.09 | Pucilowski | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Monodevelop-main-window.png - what window manager/theme is this? |
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| 08:54.11 | wsky | Pucilowski: looks like xfce clearlooks |
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| 08:55.20 | Pucilowski | thanks wsky |
| 08:55.24 | wsky | Pucilowski: but might be a box with clearlooks and some window decoration set up |
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| 08:55.42 | wsky | hard to tell what de/wm is it basing on this scrot |
| 08:56.08 | sushemsu | Pucilowski: http://monodevelop.com/FAQ |
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| 08:57.54 | sushemsu | looks like it's an ide for gnome, can't say they wouldn't display lxdm for their display case though... |
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| 08:58.05 | wsky | Pucilowski: but certainly a de because the screenshots contains the mouse pointer afaik only few screenshooters on linux can do that |
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| 08:58.25 | wsky | and all of them are bond to a de |
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| 08:58.59 | well_laid_lawn | taking a screenshot with ffmpeg includes the cursor |
| 08:59.02 | solid_liq | anyone else having a problem updating their squeeze systems? I can't seem to get valid package lists, even after switching mirrors a few times. |
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| 08:59.22 | wsky | well_laid_lawn: oh ok, nevermind then, lol |
| 08:59.37 | well_laid_lawn | ;) |
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| 09:06.26 | jelly | solid_liq: aptitude update worked just fine on a squeeze amd64 machine here |
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| 09:15.24 | silv3r_m00n | hi there |
| 09:15.46 | silv3r_m00n | if i am setting up pinning on a wheezy system, then the syntax should be a=stable or a=wheezy ? http://pastebin.com/iXHWy8Ns |
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| 09:16.10 | silv3r_m00n | my sources.list contains the default wheezy lines and i added the testing and unstable lines at the bottom |
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| 09:21.10 | jelly | silv3r_m00n: before making those changes active, realize this channel won't really support such a system |
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| 09:21.32 | jelly | (use or make backports, instead) |
| 09:21.38 | silv3r_m00n | jelly thanks fine, i am trying to learn the syntax of apt pinning |
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| 09:21.53 | jelly | oh. Good luck! |
| 09:22.00 | silv3r_m00n | i did that, but apt-cache policy apache2 still shows the testing source as the candidate |
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| 09:22.40 | silv3r_m00n | even though wheezy has a higher priority |
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| 09:23.59 | silv3r_m00n | any idea why ? |
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| 09:26.56 | jelly | !pinning |
| 09:26.56 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 09:29.24 | sushemsu | so... I have 2 hd's, only 1 was beeing seen in glitchy bios for boot, so I ran dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb; I was able to boot again, but how can I tell which hd I am booted into, blkid and info seem to be mirroring each other |
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| 09:30.35 | sushemsu | or how does the bootloader/grub associate which hd([0-9],0) to look under for the os |
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| 09:32.09 | sushemsu | nvm lsblk helped out |
| 09:32.48 | sushemsu | crap so the second ? I am still wondering, it loaded the boot from sdb but booted into sda |
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| 09:36.36 | silv3r_m00n | i wrote this http://pastebin.com/GvBSwF1u in my /etc/apt/preferences file, but still apt-cache policy pkg shows the packages from testing source as the candidate and not wheezy, inspite of it having higher priority, why ? |
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| 09:38.44 | jelly | silv3r_m00n: pinning is tricky. Pastebin your "apt-cache policy" |
| 09:38.49 | jelly | !paste |
| 09:38.49 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 09:39.02 | jelly | (try to avoid the ads-laden pastebin.com) |
| 09:39.29 | well_laid_lawn | noscript ftw |
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| 09:41.04 | silv3r_m00n | jelly http://pastie.org/8522428 |
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| 09:41.30 | silv3r_m00n | the testing priority is reported correctly as 850 but wheezy priority is shown as 500 whereas i set it to 900 in /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 09:42.45 | jelly | silv3r_m00n: er, I said "apt-cache policy" |
| 09:43.07 | jelly | not "apt-cache policy gedit" |
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| 09:44.44 | silv3r_m00n | jelly http://pastie.org/8522438 |
| 09:45.08 | silv3r_m00n | why is wheezy at 500, i set it to 900 in preferences |
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| 09:45.17 | jelly | silv3r_m00n: notice there is no a=wheezy, but a=stable or n=wheezy |
| 09:46.05 | silv3r_m00n | yeah, i tried both a=stable and n=wheezy |
| 09:46.09 | silv3r_m00n | still the same thing |
| 09:47.04 | silv3r_m00n | this is at priority 900 "Pin: release a=stable" |
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| 09:52.27 | jelly | I got nothing. Why are there two spaces between release and a=stable? |
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| 09:53.47 | pengunix | What does this mean?: sysvinit: All runlevel operations denied by policy invoke-rc.d: policy-rc.d denied execution of start. |
| 09:53.50 | pengunix | It has been set up for a lxc container system, I guess it has something to do with chroot and startup |
| 09:54.12 | jelly | dpkg, tell pengunix about policy-rc.d |
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| 09:54.47 | jelly | pengunix: ask whoever set it up, if you can. policy-rc.d is not present by default |
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| 09:55.49 | pengunix | jelly: oh, so policy-rc.d is for system.d / upstart? |
| 09:56.09 | jelly | no |
| 09:56.23 | jelly | have you read what dpkg told you in private? |
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| 10:02.19 | jelly | !policy-rc.d |
| 10:02.20 | dpkg | [policy-rc.d] a mechanism to limit what init scripts are run by maintainer scripts. See http://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt and <invoke-rc.d>. See http://ircbots.debian.net/scripts/policy-rc.d-forbid-dpkg for an example script that disables all daemon starts and stops during package installation -- tailoring it to your needs to only skip certain daemons would be advised. |
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| 10:06.14 | pogi_ako | #help |
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| 10:19.40 | drag0nius | how do i locate which package file is found in? |
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| 10:23.21 | musca | drag0nius: apt-file or the judd bot are capable to find the right package. Which file is it? |
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| 10:24.43 | drag0nius | libstdc++.so on raspbian, but i found whats wrong i'm compiling with gcc 4.7, but the file is for 4.6 |
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| 10:33.40 | drag0nius | how would i make dpkg-buildpackage use gcc-4.7 instead of gcc binary? |
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| 11:12.32 | suabbazz | hello, is there the possibility in lxde to switch user (without closing current session)? if yes, how? |
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| 11:13.48 | pirret | this is #debian, not #lxde |
| 11:14.10 | suabbazz | not many people in #lxde |
| 11:15.43 | suabbazz | let's consider it a question for debian-lxde which does not give in the logout menu the very much needed switch/change user option |
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| 11:17.40 | suabbazz | very much needed for us non-advanced users.... |
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| 11:18.38 | jelly | suabbazz: does lxde have that option in any distro? |
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| 11:20.04 | suabbazz | yes, lubuntu |
| 11:20.27 | jelly | well, use that one for the time being, then |
| 11:20.29 | bl4ckdu5t | I installed the firmware iso to my USB stick and when i try to boot it up, it shows bootloader missing |
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| 11:21.03 | suabbazz | reinstall distro? prefer not.... |
| 11:21.49 | arafangion | suabbazz: I just switch to a new VT, login, and then startx. |
| 11:21.51 | suabbazz | i suppose lubuntu people changed something to lxde to get that... i would like to do the same |
| 11:22.12 | arafangion | suabbazz: No idea how lubuntu does things, they do things completely different to debian. They don't even use the same boot scripts. |
| 11:22.43 | bl4ckdu5t | Am i doing it wrong? How do i install the firmware without reinstalling my debian OS |
| 11:23.11 | musca | !firmware |
| 11:23.11 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 11:23.32 | pengunix | jelly: that's the script which does that init policy thing. |
| 11:24.20 | musca | bl4ckdu5t: you need to enable the non-free component of your debian repo |
| 11:24.29 | bl4ckdu5t | !DSFG |
| 11:24.29 | dpkg | Do you mean DFSG? |
| 11:25.23 | suabbazz | lubuntu is more user-friendly than debian-lxde |
| 11:25.27 | suabbazz | but less ethical |
| 11:25.33 | musca | bl4ckdu5t: indeed, it's DFSG, not DSFG |
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| 11:28.25 | suabbazz | also in debian-lxde there is no guest session (which is instead present in lubuntu) |
| 11:28.26 | musca | bl4ckdu5t: for what device do you think you need firmware? |
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| 11:29.29 | Agiofws | hello ppl |
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| 11:30.03 | Agiofws | there was once a terminal typing game that you could play on the lan or wan do you know its name ? |
| 11:30.23 | suabbazz | will debian work here without need for nonfree drivers? http://www.bwcdevices.com/products/bwc-smartbook-10/ |
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| 11:31.00 | arafangion | suabbazz: Should work fine. Depends on your hardware, though. Not everything might work - optimally or at all. |
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| 11:32.19 | musca | arafangion: on a VIA 8880, ARM® Cortex™- A9 Dual Core ? |
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| 11:34.05 | sajjadG | hey you guys. |
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| 11:35.03 | sajjadG | I installed debian stable from a netinst iso and then moved to jessie. now I want to install a DM. like awesome or dwm |
| 11:35.15 | sajjadG | but I don't know how to do it! |
| 11:35.29 | sajjadG | I installed dwm from apt but it won't configure X |
| 11:35.41 | sajjadG | X was not in it's dependencies!!! |
| 11:35.41 | suabbazz | the problem i usually get is with the wifi device...which often times needs nonfree software... |
| 11:35.42 | jelly | sajjadG: awesome and dwm are window managers, not display (login) managers |
| 11:35.54 | sajjadG | I installed X separately |
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| 11:36.09 | musca | suabbazz: this "specifications" don't state anything about the actual components like network or graphics chips. |
| 11:36.36 | sajjadG | suabbazz, my wireless device is atheros and it's free ;) lucky me |
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| 11:37.40 | sajjadG | jelly, yeah. i need a display manager. I installed xdm! I don't know if I need something more. and I don't think I need a DM. I can run WM from command line and also bootstrap it from xinit config file |
| 11:37.46 | arafangion | musca: Depends on the hardware. ARM systems vary a lot, though. Except for the graphics drivers, I was able to run debian just fine on my ARM system a while ago. |
| 11:38.00 | musca | sajjadG: are you sure that testing is good for you? |
| 11:38.08 | sajjadG | musca, yeah |
| 11:38.13 | arafangion | musca: (Actually, I needed firmware for the wifi as well, but if I didn't need that...) |
| 11:38.32 | sajjadG | musca, I had stable and it didn't have a package that I needed. |
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| 11:39.11 | sajjadG | musca, I need testing or sid. I started with testing and may go to sid if I should |
| 11:39.32 | sajjadG | I just don't needed gnome so I used a netinst |
| 11:39.43 | aaaaaaa | I keep getting an error "Your installation cd-rom couldn't be mounted. This probably means that the cd-rom was not in the drive." I've tried installing debian 7.2 from flashdrive with unetbootin and i've tried installing from a dvd |
| 11:40.04 | musca | sajjadG: did you read the topic for this channel? |
| 11:40.16 | sajjadG | I think installing openbox will install everything I need. but I don't need openbox. I want minimal packages that can startup dwm or awesome |
| 11:40.41 | sajjadG | musca, yeah. but it's confusing? and I in a wrong place? |
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| 11:41.12 | bl4ckdu5t | musca: how do i enable non-free component of the repo? |
| 11:41.24 | musca | sajjadG: testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net)" |
| 11:41.53 | sajjadG | bl4ckdu5t, edit your /etc/apt/source.list and add non-free after main contrib |
| 11:41.58 | suabbazz | sajjadG: lucky you :) i get problems all the time with it :( |
| 11:42.11 | sajjadG | suabbazz, with what bro? |
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| 11:42.26 | suabbazz | with wifi device |
| 11:42.45 | suabbazz | looking for BWC Smartbook 10 specs |
| 11:42.48 | musca | !tell bl4ckdu5t about non-free sources |
| 11:42.49 | sajjadG | I'm just fighting with it for a day. :) I got wifi to work. it's pretty easy from terminal with wpa2 |
| 11:43.06 | silv3r_m00n | jelly hi |
| 11:43.14 | sajjadG | suabbazz, what's your problem bro? |
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| 11:44.48 | suabbazz | problem is i dont want to have to use nonfree software |
| 11:45.03 | bhuddah | then don't do that. |
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| 11:45.49 | jelly | silv3r_m00n: hi there |
| 11:45.51 | suabbazz | and am wondering if BWC Smartbook 10 will require me to use nonfree software or not |
| 11:45.58 | sajjadG | suabbazz, you have a problem with your wireless card driver and you don't want to use non-free drivers? |
| 11:46.07 | silv3r_m00n | jelly any idea about that thing ? |
| 11:46.13 | bl4ckdu5t | musca: They were commented out by default. I can take that off? |
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| 11:46.39 | jelly | silv3r_m00n: was this the last ting you read: "I got nothing. Why are there two spaces between release and a=stable?" |
| 11:46.44 | sajjadG | suabbazz, what's your device? lspci |grep Network |
| 11:46.52 | suabbazz | i'll buy it only if i can make it run fully with just free software |
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| 11:47.17 | musca | bl4ckdu5t: sure |
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| 11:48.16 | silv3r_m00n | jelly http://pastebin.com/1dx3whsC |
| 11:48.27 | musca | bl4ckdu5t: use http://paste.debian.net if you want us to have a look at your sources.list |
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| 11:49.25 | nikin | hi i am looking to perform a tricky thing i need to create a single directory on a box using a script. ssh ftp and telnet are available. The file i want to push is an authorized_keys file to have scriptable ssh access. but somehow i need to get that file there. PHP can put the file in place, but i can not create the directory that way. i have no ftp client to do it the easy way. Ideas? also no expect. and no wput |
| 11:50.12 | silv3r_m00n | jelly ... |
| 11:50.15 | arafangion | nikin: What's wrong with using ssh? |
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| 11:51.11 | nikin | arafangion: as i am trying to push the authorized_keys file. currently i can not login using keys. |
| 11:51.23 | musca | !tell nikin about ssh-copy-id |
| 11:51.24 | arafangion | nikin: So use passwords? |
| 11:51.52 | nikin | arafangion: for 200~ boxes wihich are not online at the same time? |
| 11:51.58 | bl4ckdu5t | musca: i can't use the internet on my PC till i do this so I'm chatting with my phone |
| 11:52.21 | arafangion | nikin: Then script that. ssh-copy-id looks good, too, but still, you should be scripting it. |
| 11:52.36 | musca | bl4ckdu5t: ok |
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| 11:53.08 | bl4ckdu5t | I added non-free to every line and took off the comments |
| 11:53.53 | bl4ckdu5t | Besides lines that are obviously comments |
| 11:53.54 | musca | bl4ckdu5t: now: apt-get update |
| 11:53.54 | nikin | ssh-copy-id will ask the password to? right? |
| 11:55.20 | suabbazz | DEBIAN-LXDE NEEDS CHANGE/SWITCH USER OPTION AND GUEST SESSION (BOTH PRESENT IN LUBUNTU) |
| 11:55.20 | jelly | nikin: why do you have no expect? |
| 11:55.28 | suabbazz | sorry for "shouting it", thank you everybody |
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| 11:56.12 | bl4ckdu5t | musca: Some index failed to download |
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| 11:56.14 | nikin | arafangion: ok.. i was not descriptive enough. There are ~200 machines operationg at various times. The boxes have an openwrt based router what creates a pptp network connection to the server, and downloads a script after the connection. To these routers are two other boards connected. And one of them will be updated with new functionallity.. and for that it needs ssh acces from the router. |
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| 11:56.23 | jelly | suabbazz: this is not the right place to file bugs or feature requests, use the "reportbug" tool |
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| 11:56.31 | nikin | jelly: it is an installed custom openwrt image. |
| 11:56.43 | jelly | nikin: why are you asking for help in #debian? |
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| 11:57.19 | nikin | jelly: becouse you are good at command line stuff generally :) |
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| 11:57.37 | arafangion | nikin: The details are unimportant. Figure it out for one machine, then put that thing into a file and repeat it for the rest. |
| 11:57.38 | jelly | nikin: ask in ##linux or an openwrt channel, if that's what you use. |
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| 11:58.31 | jelly | michaelni: people interested in general linux cli issues will be present in ##linux too; this channel is for Debian tech support. |
| 11:58.38 | jelly | nikin: ^^ |
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| 11:59.14 | nikin | jelly: as far as i understand openwrt is based on debian.. still ok. i see your point. |
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| 12:00.14 | nikin | jelly: and the server is debian.. the second box is debian based but old.. 2.4 kernel |
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| 12:00.24 | Sevet | nikin: openwrt's opkg packaging system is based on debian's dpkg, but is different. it isn't based on debian directly. |
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| 12:00.40 | nikin | Sevet: oh.. ok thank you. |
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| 12:02.09 | jelly | opkg is inspired, not based off dpkg. Even if it were, this channel does not have the knowhow or resources to deal with derivative distros |
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| 12:03.18 | nikin | jelly: ok... i didnt get that the channel had resource limits. |
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| 12:04.44 | bl4ckdu5t | musca: I think it requires internet for the ap-get update |
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| 12:05.23 | bl4ckdu5t | I already have the firmware ISO |
| 12:05.30 | nikin | jelly: sorry for interrupting. I myself treat linux as a single entity in most cases. Running debian on my servers, Arch on my laptop, Ubuntu in offices, openwrt on routers, and Android on my phone. I know that there are differences.. but the cli is the same in lot of ways. |
| 12:05.33 | musca | bl4ckdu5t: i see. which network chip is it? |
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| 12:05.57 | jelly | nikin: volunteer helpers are the scarcest resource! |
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| 12:07.12 | jelly | yeah, it's the same except when it isn't. Were you running Debian, you'd be told to use Net::Appliance::Session or something expect-like |
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| 12:09.32 | nikin | jelly: Maybe then thats the solution.. i ssh port forward from the router directly to the box. so the server can access that. and then use expect from the debian server. I hoped for a more off-line way. But it is Plan C. |
| 12:09.58 | bl4ckdu5t | musca: i have no idea |
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| 12:10.21 | arafangion | nikin: No ssh agent? |
| 12:10.44 | nikin | arafangion: the second box does not know about the key. Thats the problem. |
| 12:10.51 | bl4ckdu5t | I use dell vostro 1540 |
| 12:11.04 | arafangion | nikin: Stop obsessing about the key. |
| 12:11.19 | arafangion | nikin: You shouldn't depend on the key anyway, protect it with a password. |
| 12:11.35 | nikin | arafangion: for non-interactive use? |
| 12:11.39 | arafangion | nikin: Yes. |
| 12:11.57 | nikin | arafangion: ok. and how do i do that? |
| 12:13.08 | nikin | arafangion: let's forget my current situation... i have to boxes. Debian. And i want to periodically make Box A do something on Box B using ssh. |
| 12:13.26 | bhuddah | what about cron? |
| 12:13.36 | arafangion | nikin: Yes. See man ssh-agent, man ssh-add, and the like. |
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| 12:13.49 | nikin | bhuddah: ok.. then copy from it using scp. |
| 12:13.49 | bhuddah | agent won't help if it is non-interactive |
| 12:13.51 | arafangion | nikin: Now, having keys without passwords does make this simpler, but it's not the end of the world. |
| 12:14.00 | bhuddah | (?) |
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| 12:14.06 | arafangion | bhuddah: You can tell the agent what script to use in that case. |
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| 12:14.29 | bhuddah | doesn't help. just added complexity if no password is needed |
| 12:14.48 | arafangion | bhuddah: True, however, the password is apparently needed. |
| 12:14.57 | bhuddah | why on earth? |
| 12:15.08 | arafangion | bhuddah: Ask nikin. |
| 12:15.12 | bhuddah | i do :) |
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| 12:15.32 | nikin | arafangion: ssh-agent for private-keys.. but i am missing the public key on one of the boxes. That has to go somehow. |
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| 12:16.07 | arafangion | nikin: Then worry about that later, you still have 199~ computers. |
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| 12:16.18 | bhuddah | nikin: the agent will not work nor help if you use case is m2m communication. |
| 12:17.36 | nikin | bhuddah: but it is 1toM .. and anyhow i can just share a single key throughout the network. as it is closed in all other aspects.. but thats ugly, and beside the point |
| 12:18.08 | bhuddah | nikin: m2m is "machine to machine" |
| 12:18.11 | nikin | bhuddah: but you are right |
| 12:18.13 | nikin | oh |
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| 12:18.45 | nikin | bhuddah: got it wrong.. sorry |
| 12:18.49 | themill | sharing the key when you built the 200 machines rather than afterwards would be better. Plan the management strategy beforehand ;) |
| 12:18.51 | bhuddah | and you will need to share multiple keys no matter what you do. this all does not make much sense. sorry. |
| 12:19.12 | nikin | themill: this is an upgrade.. still you are right.. |
| 12:19.24 | bhuddah | it's not much work to deploy keys where you need them. |
| 12:20.57 | nikin | bhuddah: the problem is that the machines are only periodically online and that at random. Otherwise i would just bite the bullet and do it manually. |
| 12:21.48 | bhuddah | nikin: then you can't use rpc stuff with cron. your concept is flawed. |
| 12:22.00 | bhuddah | we need to think of other possibilities |
| 12:22.05 | nikin | arafangion: i am stil intrested on how i do non-interactive password protected key auth |
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| 12:22.13 | bhuddah | you can't |
| 12:22.24 | bl4ckdu5t | musca: will it be better if i reinstall my debian and run the firmware during installation? |
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| 12:23.14 | bhuddah | well. yes, you can store the password in an answer file. but this won't really add security |
| 12:23.29 | nikin | bhuddah: as the cron is on the client... its not that bad. And the clients two boxes has to use the key.. not the server. |
| 12:23.50 | bhuddah | please elaborate on that |
| 12:24.06 | arafangion | bhuddah: It would add security if he then disables password authentication to those accounts, but I doubt he has the ability to do that. |
| 12:24.07 | bhuddah | nikin: if the client is not always on you can't use cron. you need to use anacron. |
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| 12:24.44 | bhuddah | arafangion: yes. just key without passphrase... the added passphrase would not add security if you store the passphrase in clear text on the same machine. |
| 12:24.56 | silv3r_m00n | jelly there ? |
| 12:25.04 | nikin | bhuddah: you are right.. sorry.. i again oversimplified things.. i dont use cron at all its a daemon. That does the connection to the server when need and opportunity exist at the same time. |
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| 12:25.53 | luminous | hello! so I am trying to setup a debian VM with direct access to a physical HD. I've succeeded in the first attempt. |
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| 12:26.09 | jelly | silv3r_m00n: ask the whole channel instead of focusing on one helper |
| 12:26.10 | bhuddah | nikin: sorry. can't help you then. |
| 12:26.22 | luminous | I have an existing linux VM and I mount the physical HD and can access the files fine |
| 12:26.40 | luminous | I'm failing with the second step.. to boot a 'blank' VM using this physical hd. |
| 12:26.41 | silv3r_m00n | hi, can anybody help me with this, http://pastebin.com/1dx3whsC |
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| 12:27.06 | luminous | the VM 'sees' the HD - grub loads - but grub gets confused and errors out RE an unknown filesystem |
| 12:27.38 | nikin | bhuddah: np. i am deep in this.. maybe i whoud really go forward with the port forward solution. Its a bit messy, but it is still the best alternative. |
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| 12:27.42 | luminous | I'm then left with the grub rescue prompt and not much can be done |
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| 12:27.50 | bhuddah | -.- |
| 12:28.12 | bhuddah | nikin: step back and first get an overview how to solve this best and not worst :) |
| 12:28.25 | gregor3005 | hi, i use openldap the first time, it works with very nice with the "ldap account manager". the problem is, i have a folder with to group rights, one readonly and one with write permissions. when i change the group for a users from read to write the changes are made immediately to openldap but the system still use the old group. i tested this with "sudo -u username mkdir /home/folder/test". after i set the group to write for th |
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| 12:29.16 | gregor3005 | and the problem is that after a time gap the changes arrive on the system. its all done on the same host. what can i do to speed up the sync of the openldap changes to the system? |
| 12:29.17 | nikin | bhuddah: i miss a single step for the best solution... just create a directory throught telnet or ftp without having an ftp client to use it. |
| 12:29.31 | bhuddah | TELNET? |
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| 12:30.12 | musca | bl4ckdu5t: sorry for the delay, use this to find info about your chip: lspci | grep -i net |
| 12:30.13 | bhuddah | whatever. off to lunch |
| 12:30.39 | jelly | gregor3005: what's this "ldap account manager" you're using? |
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| 12:30.57 | nikin | bhuddah: yep.. thats one reason why it has a router in front of it. Its an old-box.. with stock stuff. |
| 12:31.02 | gregor3005 | jelly: i use this one: https://www.ldap-account-manager.org/lamcms/ |
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| 12:31.36 | nikin | i go and try to figgure this out some more :) |
| 12:31.38 | gregor3005 | jelly: i checked the changes with slapcat and there i saw that the changes set correctly and fast with the "ldap account manager" |
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| 12:37.47 | bl4ckdu5t | musca: Broadcom corporation BCM4313 |
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| 12:40.16 | silv3r_m00n | jelly solved, it was invisible unicode characters in the preferences file :) |
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| 12:41.54 | musca | bl4ckdu5t: we need to check the pciid, but chances are that you only need to copy a single file to a usb-stick |
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| 12:42.37 | musca | bl4ckdu5t: lspci -nn | grep -i BCM |
| 12:43.40 | musca | bl4ckdu5t: there should be stated an ID like this: [14e4:4727] |
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| 12:45.11 | Iridos | actually... |
| 12:45.14 | Iridos | dpkg, BCM4313 |
| 12:45.15 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4313 (PCI ID 14e4:4727) - incorrectly identified as BCM4727 by Broadcom's proprietary driver - is an 802.11n PCIe wireless LAN chipset. Not supported by the <b43> driver at this time. For device support, ask about me about <brcmsmac>. Not to be confused with the <bcm4331>. |
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| 12:45.23 | Iridos | we got a factoid on exactly that |
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| 12:46.27 | musca | Iridos: bl4ckdu5t just sufferes from ping timeout |
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| 12:47.49 | Iridos | yes... was jumping in a bit sideways... when I saw we had a factoid that seems to mention the pciid for that specific chip + some problems connected with it |
| 12:49.05 | Iridos | musca, thanks... even skimming the lastlog, it didn't get apparent what the actual problem was :P |
| 12:50.00 | musca | Iridos: same here :) |
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| 12:51.04 | gregor3005 | hi, i use openldap the first time, it works with very nice with the "ldap account manager". the problem is, i have a folder with to group rights, one readonly and one with write permissions. when i change the group for a users from read to write the changes are made immediately to openldap but the system still use the old group. i tested this with "sudo -u username mkdir /home/folder/test". after i set the group to write for th |
| 12:51.36 | Iridos | dpkg, brcmsmac |
| 12:51.36 | dpkg | brcmsmac (brcm80211 prior to Linux 2.6.39) is an open source <mac80211> driver, supporting 802.11n PCIe devices based on Broadcom <BCM4313>, <BCM43224> and <BCM43225> chips. Firmware is required (bcm43xx-0.fw, bcm43xx_hdr-0.fw), ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-brcm80211 package to provide. Access point and adhoc modes are supported since Linux 3.10. http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 |
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| 12:53.29 | Iridos | oh well... yes... if you now got the iso-image with firmware re-installing using that image is probably simplest |
| 12:54.31 | Iridos | else I'd just have downloaded the package(s) needed to fit your current system with the needed firmware... but if this is a fresh system that you haven't put any effort in anyway... AND you now downloaded the other iso-image... yeah, go ahead |
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| 13:10.39 | Xat` | Hi guys, I would like have a `dpkg -l package` output without dpkg "header" ! only get the line relatively to the package name |
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| 13:11.20 | themill | Xat`: what are you really trying to do? |
| 13:11.50 | Xat` | In a perl script I only need the ii flag |
| 13:12.18 | themill | dpkg: tell Xat` about installed test |
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| 13:12.59 | themill | Xat`: not that, as per the header, "ii" is probably not what you want to be testing for |
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| 13:15.39 | Xat` | alright, thank you |
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| 13:17.39 | Dvx_ | i tried to install debian like wubi, something called "win32-loader.exe, but it told me is missing something then i was booting it |
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| 13:17.48 | Xat` | by the way, my package is not installed and I get this status with dpkg-query --show package |
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| 13:32.00 | killermoehre | hi. is there a preferred way to determine the name of an initscript in the initscript? I want to work with symlinked instances in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 13:38.01 | bl4ckdu5t | musca: I got a network ish. I use Broadcom corp bcm4313 |
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| 13:41.34 | musca | wb bl4ckdu5t |
| 13:41.55 | musca | !brcmsmac |
| 13:41.56 | dpkg | brcmsmac (brcm80211 prior to Linux 2.6.39) is an open source <mac80211> driver, supporting 802.11n PCIe devices based on Broadcom <BCM4313>, <BCM43224> and <BCM43225> chips. Firmware is required (bcm43xx-0.fw, bcm43xx_hdr-0.fw), ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-brcm80211 package to provide. Access point and adhoc modes are supported since Linux 3.10. http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 |
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| 13:44.17 | musca | bl4ckdu5t: so you could download the package "firmware-brcm80211" as a *.deb file and install it with dpkg -i filename.deb |
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| 13:45.34 | Chelsea | Hi all, i'm looking for a way to configure the wm in a rdp session. Googling and following scripts led me to /etc/X11/Xsession, but that file does not make sense to me. Does anyone know how I can set the WM for RDP sessions? |
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| 13:50.48 | bl4ckdu5t | musca: So the iso file i downloaded earlier wiill be of no use? |
| 13:50.50 | musca | bl4ckdu5t: here is a link ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-brcm80211_0.40~bpo70+1_all.deb |
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| 13:52.43 | musca | bl4ckdu5t: here the version vor the wheezy kernel ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-brcm80211_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb |
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| 13:53.11 | musca | the former was from wheezy-backports |
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| 13:53.24 | critter | hi |
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| 13:59.37 | bl4ckdu5t | musca: which of them will i install? |
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| 14:08.08 | TPKing | how can i fix datei name in turkisch? |
| 14:08.18 | bjorn1 | Hi can someone highlight me please |
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| 14:08.39 | killermoehre | bjorn1: |
| 14:08.49 | bjorn1 | ty |
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| 14:11.06 | bl4ckdu5t | musca: please can you drop the second url again |
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| 14:14.37 | musca | bl4ckdu5t: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-brcm80211_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb |
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| 14:22.19 | zee | for best throughput with trunking, would you suggest to use balance-rr or balance-alb ? |
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| 14:24.59 | bl4ckdu5t | How can i format a drive fromterminal? |
| 14:25.29 | bl4ckdu5t | *from terminal? |
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| 14:26.28 | kindybau | hi |
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| 14:27.11 | kindybau | did anyone of you know the way to cut out any connection (in and out) that is not sent or received to from tor network? |
| 14:27.31 | musca | bl4ckdu5t: in most cases you will create a filesystem on a partition, not a whole drive |
| 14:27.35 | musca | !mkfs |
| 14:27.36 | dpkg | hmm... mkfs is is MaKe FileSystem (kinda obvious what it does) |
| 14:27.55 | kindybau | coz i have found https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/BlockNonTorTrafficDebian and http://clodaroundtheglobe.wordpress.com/2012/07/09/interesting-iptables-rules-for-allow-only-tor-traffic/ which acctually didn't specify recommended way to do that |
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| 14:36.19 | Megaf | is this up to date? https://wiki.debian.org/LXC |
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| 14:38.31 | lroe | Where is the right place to start looking if, when I print a pdf the text alignment is funky? some letters on the same line end up on top of each other. |
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| 14:39.01 | Megaf | lroe, it depends on what you used to print |
| 14:39.10 | omarek | Hi, is there something like 'diff' for files and directories ? I'm interested in directory structure. |
| 14:39.34 | omarek | Syntax would be "diff directory1 directory2" |
| 14:39.53 | lroe | Megaf, evince to open the pdf, then a local installation of cups, to a network printer |
| 14:39.57 | omarek | And at this point I care about existence of files and directories, not contents. |
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| 14:40.50 | babilen | omarek: dirdiff? |
| 14:40.52 | Megaf | omarek, perhaps you could joing #BASH |
| 14:41.57 | lroe | the print preview shows the alignment issue |
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| 14:43.22 | babilen | omarek: You can also use "diff -r dir1 dir2" |
| 14:43.34 | pengunix | Just saw that useradd doesn't add a home directory. What does adduser (that script) do more than useradd? Just the home directory? Or even more? Should I use useradd at all? |
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| 14:44.37 | oskie | I have a TCP connection that is reported as ESTABLISHED in lsof, but in fact the client has been gone for > 4 minutes. Any idea why the kernel still thinks the client is alive? |
| 14:44.39 | babilen | pengunix: You can use useradd if you want to, but you would typically use adduser *unless* you want to override its behaviour. |
| 14:44.53 | babilen | (and you can't achieve the same thing with options) |
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| 14:45.33 | pengunix | babilen: doesn't useradd result in more cleaner / slicker results? |
| 14:45.40 | babilen | pengunix: adduser does more than "just" creating the home directory. It also chooses uid/gids that are in line with your configuration and Debian defaults and other things. Take a look at the script and its manpage. |
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| 14:47.37 | babilen | pengunix: Why would useradd result in cleaner results? What do you mean by "cleaner" or "slicker" ? I would consider the result (i.e. usable user account that complies with standards) exhibited by adduser to be "slick", but then I have no idea what you want to achieve. Both tools are there and you can use the right tool for the job. |
| 14:48.15 | babilen | pengunix: Take a look at /etc/adduser.conf to get an idea about things you can configure and read the manpage |
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| 14:50.38 | omarek | babilen: dirdiff seems to be designed for comparing contents of files. I only care about the existence. In the end, it will all land in a git repository, but I need to put the right stuff in there. |
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| 14:51.09 | omarek | I mean - I don't see an option which would only display if a file exists in DIR1 and DIR2 or not. |
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| 14:51.16 | omarek | I'll try #bash |
| 14:51.21 | ABS | hi everyone |
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| 14:52.10 | lroe | this is an example of what happens when I print a pdf: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-12022013-095142am.php |
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| 14:53.48 | omarek | Hmm, everyone on #BASH is dead. |
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| 14:59.13 | bl4ckdu5t | I tried apt-get install wine now and it requires me to put my installation cd |
| 14:59.42 | ksk | !tell bl4ckdu5t about sources.list |
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| 15:00.52 | ABS | I installed recently debian 7.2 xfce edition from cd , the system detect my Gpu as sound card , howto chnage to default card sound , in other distro in terminal alsamixer and i can change to interne sound card |
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| 15:03.34 | jhutchins | omarek: That's unusual, the should be on line by now. |
| 15:03.38 | kindybau | ABS https://wiki.debian.org/ALSA |
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| 15:04.33 | ABS | but when i type alsamixer it is not lanching |
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| 15:05.50 | kindybau | ABS (...)Configure alsa by running the command 'alsactl init' as root.(...) |
| 15:06.31 | ABS | kindybau, thank you |
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| 15:06.48 | kindybau | np |
| 15:07.02 | ABS | i will try to night and be back surly |
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| 15:14.00 | bl4ckdu5t | Here is my sources.list file. y does it require me to put in my installation cd before downloading some files with apt-get? |
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| 15:14.53 | zykotick9 | bl4ckdu5t: comment out the CD line(s) from your source.list |
| 15:15.05 | bl4ckdu5t | http://paste.debian.net/68869/ |
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| 15:15.27 | bl4ckdu5t | Ok |
| 15:15.56 | woshty | How do I reduce the time pam(?) takes until I can reenter my password in xscreensaver after a failed attempt? |
| 15:17.56 | sashman | what would you prefer for virtualization QEMU or VB ? |
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| 15:19.01 | omarek | jhutchins: I was just complaining about 0 traffic. Not just no one replying, but apparently no one talking. But they helped me, eventually. |
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| 15:19.59 | abrotman | sashman: they're different products with different goals |
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| 15:20.07 | dury | hi there channel :-) |
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| 15:20.26 | zykotick9 | sashman: if you want desktop virt solution, then VB probably. for server (or if you value FAIF) then qemu-kvm probably (also that requires Virt Support in CPU) |
| 15:20.44 | Xat` | how to exec and configure pam using pam-auth-update without interactivty ? |
| 15:21.00 | sashman | zykotick9 abrotman mhhh ok thu! |
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| 15:22.09 | dury | abrotman: how can I install an application called "startup disk creator" in wheezy? Are there any chances? |
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| 15:22.37 | dury | or it's only in ubuntu? |
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| 15:23.20 | dury | I've googled but not success |
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| 15:24.15 | zykotick9 | dury: "startup disk creator" is only for Ubuntu ISO images... cat/cp/dd might be an alternative, depending on the iso you are using |
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| 15:27.17 | dury | zykotick9: I'm in wheezy I want to create a bootable usb with ubuntu 13.10 release iso.. how can, then? |
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| 15:28.48 | petern_ | UNetbootin, maybe. |
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| 15:29.57 | petern_ | Or just forget about it and use Wheezy :D |
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| 15:30.56 | dury | petern_ and why not "startup disk creator"? |
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| 15:31.24 | petern_ | I thought you couldn't find it. |
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| 15:31.41 | dury | petern_ are you in wheezy as well? |
| 15:31.47 | petern_ | Yes. |
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| 15:32.48 | Xat` | I'm looking for adding a new PAM module using command line only |
| 15:33.00 | dury | petern_ right, if there is a package for ubuntu why not for wheezy? |
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| 15:33.11 | Xat` | I'm able to enable it with pam-auth-update command but this is interactive |
| 15:33.22 | petern_ | Ubuntu isn't Wheezy... why would the packages be the same? |
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| 15:34.18 | dury | petern_ package source to install it. can it be? |
| 15:34.28 | petern_ | Can it be what? |
| 15:35.05 | dury | petern_ install it by source |
| 15:35.24 | petern_ | You could try that. Enjoy. |
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| 15:36.11 | As001 | hello I can't do upgrade-from-grub-legacy on my md device. I get segmentation fault error and in dmesg i see error 4 in grub-setup |
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| 15:36.47 | As001 | full dmesg line is: [8347910.797091] grub-setup[3940]: segfault at 400682308 ip 0000000000436b14 sp 00007fff36c98da0 error 4 in grub-setup[400000+55000] |
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| 15:37.42 | abrotman | dury: what? |
| 15:37.46 | As001 | before that I can see about 10 lines of 'mdadm: sending ioctl 1261 to a partition!' |
| 15:38.29 | abrotman | dury: I'm not sure what this disk is meant to do, but the Debian Netinst can serve as a rescue disk |
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| 15:41.44 | As001 | I did upgrade from squeeze to wheezy and tried that upgrade-from-boot-legacy but it fails. |
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| 15:43.24 | SillyTalker | apache seems to refuse to print utf-8 characters properly, i tried everything, on my other server it works perfectly, any suggestions? |
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| 15:43.36 | boudiccas | whats the command to find out how much free space there is on a drive please? |
| 15:43.45 | rhys | df -h |
| 15:43.55 | boudiccas | thanks |
| 15:43.58 | pengunix | babilen: another point - I read somewhere that adduser is deprecated, but this is obviously wrong, right? |
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| 15:46.54 | asherawelan | Im having issues with my ethernet cards (i have two) alternating between eth0/eth1 after reboot... i've dialled and cleared out udev rules, but still happening... how can i nail down? |
| 15:47.15 | babilen | pengunix: fud! ;) |
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| 15:48.11 | Sevet | asherawelan: udev should link them by the card's mac address |
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| 15:48.50 | asherawelan | Sevet: Im not sure udev is behaving... no /etc/udev script is created on boot... |
| 15:49.24 | pengunix | babilen: I am frightened, uncertain and in doubt, too. |
| 15:49.27 | pengunix | is a fallen admin |
| 15:49.29 | pengunix | lol |
| 15:49.33 | Sevet | asherawelan: should be /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 15:49.53 | asherawelan | Sevet: file is missing, does not reappear after reboot |
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| 15:50.42 | dury | petern_ are you there? |
| 15:50.53 | asherawelan | Sevet: efforts to recreate it fail |
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| 15:51.36 | Sevet | does /lib/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules exist? |
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| 15:51.47 | asherawelan | Sevet: I tried using /lib/udev/write_net_rules.... I get error "missing $INTERFACE" |
| 15:52.22 | asherawelan | Sevet: Yes it does exist |
| 15:53.17 | Sevet | try 'udevadm trigger', 'udevadm trigger --action=add' or 'udevadm trigger --action=change' |
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| 15:53.47 | asherawelan | Sevet: I just catted the file and can see that it is told to ignore Virtualbox interface macs... of which this is a VB instance... |
| 15:53.56 | asherawelan | Sevet: will try your trigger commands |
| 15:55.23 | asherawelan | Sevet: those commands did not error, nor did they produce any thing in /etc/udev/rules |
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| 15:55.44 | Sevet | if it's ignoring VB interfaces that's probably your issue |
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| 15:58.17 | Sevet | asherawelan: try commenting out the line that ignores the virtualbox mac address. it'll be done for the case where the mac addresses change often, eg creating new vms from existing ones. |
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| 16:00.27 | asherawelan | Sevet: OK, just trying |
| 16:00.32 | dury | I've downloaded ubuntu 13.10 iso and I want to createan bootable usb with it... how can |
| 16:01.02 | pengunix | sudo does work on root (wouldn't make sense, right) but on a normal user I get the following: sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified |
| 16:01.04 | pengunix | Debian Wheezy amd64 |
| 16:01.12 | pengunix | An user or inittab related problem? |
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| 16:03.06 | asherawelan | Sevet: perfect - worked -t anks |
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| 16:10.15 | dury | http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/lucid/usb-creator in this url there is a repository for usbcreator |
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| 16:10.54 | dury | is it trust ? |
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| 16:12.43 | Iridos | dury, wrong channel for ubuntu questions... -> /j #ubuntu |
| 16:13.44 | Shadur | dury: It's an ubuntu package. Trying to install ubuntu packages onto a debian system is very much At Your Own Risk. |
| 16:14.32 | Iridos | it's not a package... it's their installer iso image... |
| 16:14.38 | zykotick9 | dury: why in the world do you want "usb creator"? there are many, better, alternatives... |
| 16:15.37 | Iridos | pengunix, sounds like you are on some unusual type of login... |
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| 16:20.10 | dury | zykotick9: like what? at the end I'm using unetbootin |
| 16:20.38 | zykotick9 | dury: what iso are to trying to turn into a USB? |
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| 16:22.30 | dury | zykotick9: ubuntu-13.10-desktop-i386.iso |
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| 16:23.28 | babilen | dury: What does that have to do with Debian ? It *really* looks as if you are looking for #ubuntu not #debian as we only support that in here ;) |
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| 16:23.53 | zykotick9 | dury: that's hybrid, so just "cat ubuntu-13.10-desktop-i386.iso > /dev/sdb" then "sync" should work fine. [!!! note this assumes sdb is your USB device - and DON'T use a partition number, just the drive] |
| 16:24.10 | bl4ckdu5t | Is there any package like mscorefonts of ubuntu repositories? |
| 16:24.48 | jhutchins | bl4ckdu5t: How would we know what ubuntu keeps in it's repositories? |
| 16:25.03 | jhutchins | bl4ckdu5t: #ubuntu would be much more likely. |
| 16:25.04 | babilen | bl4ckdu5t: I'd recommend fonts-liberation in lieu of the non-free ttf-mscorefonts-installer (in contrib) |
| 16:25.33 | babilen | bl4ckdu5t: The former are IMHO better fonts and libre on top of that |
| 16:25.37 | bl4ckdu5t | I just need some ms fonts on my deb. That did it for me while I was on ubuntu |
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| 16:27.26 | dury | zykotick9: ubuntu-13.10-desktop-i386.iso it's file that is already in my box |
| 16:27.46 | babilen | dury: Please elaborate why you ask in #debian and not #ubuntu |
| 16:28.53 | dury | babilen: I want to make a bootable usb from that iso that's all |
| 16:29.09 | babilen | dury: So, ask in #ubuntu as this clearly has nothing to do with Debian. |
| 16:29.40 | babilen | (apart from that you have your answer, but lets move on. now.) |
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| 16:30.23 | dury | babilen: I want to know how to create bootable usb using wheezy release |
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| 16:31.07 | babilen | dury: It depends on the ISO you are using. zykotick9 elaborated on that a little earlier and you would be well advised to discuss the particulars of the *Ubuntu* isos in #ubuntu and not here. |
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| 16:32.13 | dury | babilen: all right |
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| 16:32.32 | phy1729 | on the topic of isos I can't get the 7.2.0 netinst iso to mount on OSX to put a preseed.cfg in it. Any suggestions on how to do that? |
| 16:32.54 | zhr0 | will this generator http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ generate me the correct sources list? |
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| 16:33.12 | dury | all right let's forget ubuntu then |
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| 16:33.52 | babilen | zhr0: No, that generator is of very low quality and known for generating broken sources.lists -- anything in particular you are after? |
| 16:34.22 | babilen | zhr0: Unfortunately there is very little we can do about that website and the author has been contacted multiple times to no avail. I wouldn't recommend to use it. |
| 16:34.25 | dury | is there a debian live iso to make bootable usb? |
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| 16:34.37 | babilen | dpkg: tell dury -about live |
| 16:34.41 | babilen | dpkg: tell dury -about usb install |
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| 16:35.36 | drag0nius | when i do dpkg-buildpackage it cleans up at start everything done in previous build |
| 16:35.38 | drag0nius | how do i stop it? |
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| 16:36.07 | babilen | drag0nius: That is the defined and desired behaviour -- I would also like to point out that questions like this are better suited for #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 16:37.10 | babilen | zhr0: ping? |
| 16:38.21 | drag0nius | meh, this is compiling for like 5 hours then giving error and i can't resume ;/ |
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| 16:38.48 | calisto | hi all, I have a problem using zimbra over lxc container, have aleatory high IO consume and the zimbra run very low over this time. I search for a month but don't found the problem. In zimbra irc tell me th lxc not a tested platform approve to run zimbra. Any know why have aleatory high IO consume?. Or Have Zimbra over lxc? |
| 16:39.06 | jhutchins | drag0nius: Goodness, what are you compiling, OpenOffice? |
| 16:39.16 | drag0nius | VLC on raspberry pi |
| 16:39.46 | jhutchins | drag0nius: You could do the compiling on a more powerful system... |
| 16:40.02 | petern_ | apt-get install vlc |
| 16:40.05 | petern_ | far easier |
| 16:40.17 | drag0nius | yeah, but i need to compile it with rpi's hardware acceleration |
| 16:40.30 | drag0nius | which is not done in the package |
| 16:40.34 | petern_ | *cough* raspbian *cough* |
| 16:41.04 | babilen | petern_: That would be way too sensible a solution! |
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| 16:41.35 | petern_ | calisto, aleatory? |
| 16:41.48 | petern_ | Weird word to use there. |
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| 16:42.01 | dury | babilen: can you elaborate me to clean my usb stick I want to format or delete all files in it. would you please? |
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| 16:43.05 | babilen | dury: You have to do nothing like that. Simply copy the iso directly to the stick and you are done |
| 16:43.17 | babilen | dpkg: tell zhr0 -about wheezy sources.list |
| 16:43.41 | babilen | zhr0: No idea if that helps you, but as you are not providing any additional information it is the best I can do |
| 16:44.03 | dury | babilen: all right. thanks indeed :-) |
| 16:45.37 | zhr0 | babilen ok |
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| 16:45.49 | zhr0 | need to fix my sources then |
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| 16:48.05 | calisto | petern_: aleatoy: not all days, not at same hour , not of same duration |
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| 16:49.03 | zhr0 | babilen read the pvt and docs but i think i still generate the wrong sources could you provide me one correct? i'm using debian wheezy 7.2 amd64 |
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| 16:49.11 | bl4ckdu5t | Why do some commands say 'they do not exist' why I run them as a non-sudo user rather than saying it requires more privileges |
| 16:49.44 | Sevet | bl4ckdu5t: probably not in your $PATH |
| 16:49.48 | Iridos | because /sbin and /usr/sbin aren't in the PATH variable of that user |
| 16:50.01 | Sevet | sudo changes the PATH in use |
| 16:50.02 | calisto | petern_: occasionally when the users not are loged in to the system |
| 16:51.01 | bl4ckdu5t | Sevet: So how do I add it to the users $PATH ? |
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| 16:51.44 | babilen | zhr0: Mind pasting yours to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 16:51.55 | petern_ | calisto, so basically you mean random |
| 16:52.09 | calisto | yes |
| 16:52.12 | babilen | zhr0: A complete sources.list for wheezy that enables everything and also backports would be http://paste.debian.net/68897/ |
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| 16:53.02 | babilen | bl4ckdu5t: One of the reasons why I add those directories to my PATH since many a year |
| 16:53.10 | zhr0 | babilen i was deleting mine, this one will he great help :) |
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| 16:53.47 | babilen | zhr0: You might want to read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html and http://http.debian.net/ |
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| 16:54.26 | Sevet | bl4ckdu5t: export PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:$PATH |
| 16:54.45 | Sevet | which you can do for every login in ~/.profile or ~/.bashrc |
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| 16:56.43 | _mel_ | Hi. i want to prevent to rebuild a deb and change the version number so that it is not overwritten in the future. is it enough to just append something to the version-number like 0.4~mydeb.deb? or would it be better to raise the version to 0.5? |
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| 16:57.40 | Nik05 | _mel_ you can pin packages, but not sure what you want to do |
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| 16:58.02 | Nik05 | but dont change the version to 0.5, cause thats going to be used in the future |
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| 16:58.26 | _mel_ | i want to patch apt-mirror to download the i18n packages. but i don't want to override it with the next update |
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| 16:58.48 | larks | I have a question. When a maintainer creates a package. How does the maintainer choose which options to enable or disable? |
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| 16:59.54 | musca | _mel_: apt-mark hold <package> |
| 16:59.58 | Sevet | larks: apart from complying with the debian policy and what dependancies are available, it's up to the maintainer |
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| 17:00.45 | _mel_ | i use a local repository. so pinning only works after installing. but if there is a newer stable version my package is ignored, right? |
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| 17:01.41 | larks | Sevet: thanks for the answering. I've been using Debian for a while and I assumed it was something like that, but I wanted to make sure. |
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| 17:04.47 | musca | _mel_: you can specify the version in your install command: apt-get install "packagename"=ver.si-on |
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| 17:10.26 | bl4ckdu5t | Thanks Sevet |
| 17:11.19 | _mel_ | thx. |
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| 17:12.21 | bl4ckdu5t | Well I tried to remove a deb file, it's failing because it has some dependencies. How do I find these dependencies and delete them all? |
| 17:12.56 | babilen | dpkg: tell bl4ckdu5t -about bat |
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| 17:14.01 | Iridos | flaps his bat wings |
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| 17:15.36 | Sevet | bl4ckdu5t: aptitude will automatically tag them for removal and let you view what'll be removed before confirming |
| 17:17.41 | oo_miguel | Assuming I use only debian packages on my system and do not install any extra software manually, what are the directories beside /home and /etc that I should definitely back up. Or maybe better in other words: What can i skip? |
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| 17:19.44 | jhutchins | !things to backup |
| 17:19.44 | dpkg | Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ... |
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| 17:20.11 | oo_miguel | jhutchins: nice one, thank you |
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| 17:20.49 | oo_miguel | its so emberassing that 3/4 of my questions here can be answered by a bot ;) |
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| 17:21.04 | Sevet | oo_miguel: you could check out the 'cruft' package too |
| 17:21.20 | Sevet | it'll list anything on your system that didn't come from a package |
| 17:21.23 | Iridos | oo_miguel, it's also extremely convenient :D |
| 17:21.45 | oo_miguel | Sevet: oh, thats perfect |
| 17:21.45 | jhutchins | oo_miguel: No, that's what the bot's for. |
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| 17:22.12 | oo_miguel | :) thank you all, including the bot |
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| 17:22.50 | zerick | !upgrade |
| 17:22.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with aptitude. Do an aptitude update first, and then an aptitude upgrade. Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version of Debian, read its release notes first. Ask me about <lenny->squeeze> <squeeze->wheezy>. |
| 17:23.09 | zerick | !squeeze->qheezy |
| 17:23.13 | zerick | !squeeze->wheezy |
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| 17:23.54 | babilen | dpkg: tell zerick -about msgthebot |
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| 17:25.54 | ufo_ | anyone here ever have problems with htop responding to keys (F4, etc) in urxvt? |
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| 17:29.21 | Gregor2 | hi |
| 17:29.24 | Gregor2 | k |
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| 17:29.25 | Gregor2 | k |
| 17:29.25 | Gregor2 | k |
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| 17:31.26 | babilen | Gregor2: yes? |
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| 17:32.04 | Gregor2 | i caNT make a ftp server |
| 17:32.21 | Gregor2 | or i cant make users on it! |
| 17:32.29 | Gregor2 | i have vsftpd |
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| 17:33.51 | cusco | vsftpd by default uses your system users |
| 17:33.54 | cusco | via pam ... |
| 17:34.07 | cusco | you can also lookup on how do configure virtual users for it |
| 17:34.09 | zhr0 | bl4ckdu5t, apt-get -f install and the autoremove autoclean purge options |
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| 17:38.52 | bl4ckdu5t | ok thanks zhr0 |
| 17:39.24 | mrbean | Hi, in CLI aptitude says nothing about upgrades or removes, but in ncurses it does (it says I have toi update 2 libs and remove a lot of programs automatically installed). How is that? |
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| 17:46.34 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm having dependency hell trying to install a cross compiler, arm, from emdebian. Can someone help? |
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| 17:48.57 | antithesis | Hello |
| 17:49.15 | zhr0 | bl4ckdu5t, you can use aptitude too |
| 17:49.25 | antithesis | How many packages are there in Wheezy, how many in Jessie, and how many in Sid? |
| 17:50.18 | ksk | antithesis: how would that question be relevant? |
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| 17:50.47 | antithesis | ksk it'll help me decide which release I will use |
| 17:50.52 | jordanm | dpkg: debstats |
| 17:50.52 | dpkg | debstats is managed by sussudio: http://debstats.dontexist.org/ (#debian freenode) and http://members.ziggo.nl/sussudio/debian-oftc.html (#debian OFTC) |
| 17:51.22 | jordanm | antithesis: /msg dpkg dstats sid |
| 17:51.47 | jordanm | antithesis: package counts should be irrelevent for that choice |
| 17:51.53 | ksk | :> |
| 17:51.59 | bl4ckdu5t | I'm trying to take off iceweasel for the latest version of firefox. What PPA do I need to include this? |
| 17:52.04 | ksk | "id like to install as many packages as possible" :D |
| 17:52.21 | jordanm | bl4ckdu5t: debian doesn't have PPAs |
| 17:52.24 | ksk | bl4ckdu5t: PPA is a ubuntu thing, we dont have that in debian |
| 17:52.41 | jordanm | bl4ckdu5t: if you want the latest firefox, install the upstream version to your home directory |
| 17:52.50 | antithesis | jordanm I don't like installing from source, that's why |
| 17:52.51 | antithesis | Thanks |
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| 17:53.00 | jhutchins | antithesis: Wheezy is what's released. |
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| 17:53.08 | jhutchins | antithesis: Jessie is testing. |
| 17:53.18 | antithesis | I know |
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| 17:53.28 | jhutchins | antithesis: Sid is a repository for packages moving into testing, not a real release. |
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| 17:53.54 | jordanm | well, sid is going to have the most packages, but it will also have the most packages that are RC buggy |
| 17:53.55 | bl4ckdu5t | jordanm: You mean with wget or curl? |
| 17:53.56 | jhutchins | antithesis: I believe there are more packages available in Debian than most other distributions, some 30,000. |
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| 17:54.17 | jordanm | bl4ckdu5t: however you want to download the tarball, doesn't matter |
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| 17:54.40 | antithesis | jhutchins isn't there a 'Debian Sid' iso, though? |
| 17:54.46 | antithesis | And aren't there many forks of it? |
| 17:54.55 | antithesis | Seems like many people do regard it as a distro |
| 17:55.07 | ShapeShifter499 | this is my dependency hell http://paste.debian.net/68907/ |
| 17:55.17 | Suhosin | Is there any reason trying to upgrade to jessie should take an hour to resolve dependencies? :( |
| 17:55.27 | Suhosin | And still not done |
| 17:55.37 | Suhosin | On my home box it took 10 seconds -_- |
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| 18:02.33 | ShapeShifter499 | anyone? |
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| 18:06.50 | GeekGirlGabriell | Hello, i have a probleme with a script i'm trying to do i'm a beginner in bash script |
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| 18:07.19 | jhutchins | ShapeShifter499: It helps to post a summary explanation of your problem rather than just a paste. |
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| 18:07.39 | xiong | Hello, I'm having a basic issue setting locale on my server. I've checked '$ sudo apt-get install locales' and '$ sudo locale-gen en_US.UTF-8'; and I believe, by now, I've specified that locale in two different places: /etc/default/locale and .bash_profile. What's left to do? |
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| 18:08.42 | xiong | Ah, '$ locale -a' lists only C, C.UTF-8, and POSIX -- which seems wrong to me. |
| 18:08.48 | jhutchins | ShapeShifter499: Are you working from official Debian repositories? |
| 18:09.23 | jhutchins | xiong: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 18:09.23 | galex-713 | What is the purpose of the ETag today? Is it still usefull today even with the “last-modified” header? |
| 18:09.31 | galex-713 | *In HTTPDs |
| 18:09.34 | ShapeShifter499 | jhutchins, yes |
| 18:09.36 | xiong | Let me try that, jhutchins. |
| 18:09.46 | jhutchins | ShapeShifter499: Could you past your sources.list? |
| 18:09.53 | ShapeShifter499 | jhutchins, one sec |
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| 18:10.56 | ratcheer | GeekGirlGabriell: This is probably not the right place for bash questions. I could try to help in a side channel. |
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| 18:11.17 | GeekGirlGabriell | thanks ratcheer |
| 18:12.09 | xiong | jhutchins++ # appears to have solved the entire issue! |
| 18:12.25 | jhutchins | xiong: Excellent! |
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| 18:12.44 | ShapeShifter499 | jhutchins, http://paste.debian.net/68918/ Here is my sources.list |
| 18:12.47 | jhutchins | GeekGirlGabriell: There is also #bash |
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| 18:15.11 | jhutchins | ShapeShifter499: Looks good, all I can guess is maybe not all the components have been updated for some reason. |
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| 18:15.44 | jhutchins | ShapeShifter499: You might try #debian-arm on oftc.net - they might know what's going on. |
| 18:15.49 | sedulous | how can I allow a user to use (bluetooth) l2ping? |
| 18:16.20 | ShapeShifter499 | jhutchins, ah ok |
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| 18:17.45 | divider | hello... |
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| 18:18.18 | divider | is it possible to resize this http://pastebin.com/vwv4xQ4L |
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| 18:20.09 | divider | its a luks container.... is there any hope for me ? |
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| 18:23.37 | sedulous | divider: you can shrink LUKS containers with "cryptsetup resize" - after that, shrink the volume |
| 18:24.07 | divider | sedulous: do i have to unmount it ? |
| 18:24.32 | sedulous | 1) shrink file system 2) umount fs 3) shrink luks 4) close luks, 5) shrink volume |
| 18:25.20 | divider | sedulous: oh i forgot to say.. i have to make / and /usr larter |
| 18:25.23 | divider | larger* |
| 18:25.30 | sedulous | like an onion in reverse |
| 18:25.43 | divider | and i have to reduce the /home size |
| 18:25.45 | sedulous | for expanding, it's the other way round |
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| 18:26.30 | sedulous | shrink => shrink fs, then luks, then volume |
| 18:26.38 | sedulous | expand => expand volume, then luks, then file system |
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| 18:28.10 | nettezzz | hello |
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| 18:29.34 | nettezzz | i need to watch per process network traffic stats (just in/out Bytes in real time) .. can it be achieved via /proc/pid ? /proc/pid/net/dev is same as /proc/net/dev and same with /proc/pid/netstat, so it shows the sum of all traffic .. |
| 18:29.42 | nettezzz | thanks for any point |
| 18:29.54 | divider | sedulous: thanks il look it up |
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| 18:30.05 | jelly-home | nettezzz: which debian release are you using and which kernel? |
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| 18:33.10 | Beliq | Hi all |
| 18:34.30 | jordanm | nettezzaumana: iftop? |
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| 18:35.33 | nettezzaumana | jordanm: thanks, i'd better find out howto do it directly via /proc/pid if it is possible .. i'm confused why /proc/pid/net/{dev,netstat} show sum of stats |
| 18:36.24 | nettezzaumana | jordanm: but yeah, you're true, i'd probably read it from iftop code |
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| 18:40.36 | nettezzaumana | jordanm: JFYI iftop doesn't seem to have ability to watch stats per process |
| 18:40.47 | nettezzaumana | same with iptraf |
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| 19:03.09 | lroe | is there a way to search mozilla.debian.net in the same manner as packages.debian.net? |
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| 19:05.35 | ompaul | lroe: look at the web page |
| 19:05.57 | lroe | I have |
| 19:06.28 | lroe | and http://mozilla.debian.net doesn't seem to provide that functionality |
| 19:06.36 | lroe | but perhaps there is a different link that exists |
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| 19:07.04 | ompaul | lroe: eh, what version are you using sid stable or what? |
| 19:07.13 | lroe | wheezy, stable |
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| 19:07.49 | ompaul | lroe: so on that page there is a url deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports iceweasel-release which offers some instructions after it |
| 19:07.54 | lroe | but it seems mozilla.debian.net has a few different releases that don't necessarily line up with standard debian release names |
| 19:08.19 | lroe | right |
| 19:08.46 | ompaul | lroe: it has what it needs and what you need |
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| 19:09.01 | lroe | and among other things, the information is wrong. Putting that aside, my question was is there a way to search the various releases to see which versions are in which release |
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| 19:09.22 | lroe | like packages.debian.org provides |
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| 19:13.35 | ompaul | ahh that's a slightly different question - and I don't know of such a place after all once you track the version you want you just rolll with it you can add that line to your own repos on the basis of the guidance of that page and then you can apt-get update & apt-cache policy programname |
| 19:13.42 | seanz | Good day. Does anyone here have experience operating a packaging server using mini-dinstall? |
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| 19:20.57 | fryck | Hello |
| 19:21.01 | fryck | i want do this : mywebsite.dev (on my mobile for example) -> raspberry server -> nginx -> /www/mywebsite |
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| 19:21.18 | fryck | is it possible to all my *.dev local domain target to raspberry server |
| 19:21.20 | fryck | ? |
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| 19:21.27 | fryck | with ngins as reverse proxy |
| 19:21.31 | fryck | nginx* |
| 19:22.00 | rsch | maybe you should configure your own dns server to have those domains as local? |
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| 19:22.25 | rsch | I sugest you look up dnsmasq |
| 19:22.43 | fryck | thanks rsch ? |
| 19:22.49 | fryck | is it hard to setup for noob ? :) |
| 19:22.57 | rsch | fryck: np |
| 19:23.29 | rsch | fryck: it is in the ballpark of the other projects you're trying to to, I think |
| 19:23.43 | _Gotta | why does this line give me an error? md5sum `find -follow -type f` > md5sum.txt |
| 19:23.43 | rsch | to do ** |
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| 19:25.36 | _Gotta | the error i get is: "find: File system loop detected; `./debian' is part of the same fiel system loop as `.'. |
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| 19:26.35 | rsch | _Gotta: maybe try #bash? or ##linux? |
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| 19:27.17 | _Gotta | rsch: : part of some debian guide how to make it enable ssh on boot to install it remotely http://www.sgvulcan.com/installing-debian-using-only-ssh/ |
| 19:27.42 | jordanm | _Gotta: because there is a symlink loop |
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| 19:29.11 | _Gotta | hmm. is the md5sum.txt file really needed for the install cd (as in, can i skip that step in the guide?) |
| 19:29.30 | rsch | you need to solve the symlink loop anyway |
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| 19:30.14 | _Gotta | "all i did" was extract the iso, mounted it, rsynced it to a new folder and edited those files mentioned inthe guide. |
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| 19:31.28 | rsch | can you paste an ls -l of what you see? |
| 19:31.43 | rsch | in pastebin |
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| 19:32.13 | _Gotta | rsch: pic http://i.imgur.com/y4NCTto.png |
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| 19:32.53 | xuser | Has memtest been removed from the debian ISOs? I tried the netinstall one |
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| 19:33.47 | rsch | _Gotta: try cd into isonew |
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| 19:34.00 | abrotman | xuser: i thought it had, can't recall |
| 19:34.15 | jhutchins | _Gotta: Also it's customary to give the starting point of the search as the first parameter of the find command. |
| 19:34.23 | _Gotta | rsch: : same error. |
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| 19:35.13 | xuser | abrotman: yeah weird, don't see it in the install menu when booting |
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| 19:35.44 | _Gotta | jhutchins: i wish the guide said that. hard enough to follow a really "custom" guide. :/ |
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| 19:36.46 | Lorcatar | How can I add testing to my sources.conf? |
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| 19:37.20 | Lorcatar | I have #testing then on next line deb http://security.debian.org testing/updates main |
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| 19:37.45 | _Gotta | on a curiosity note.. what is the use of the md5file.txt in the creation of the custom iso used for? |
| 19:37.54 | rsch | dpkg, tell Lorcatar about sources.list |
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| 19:39.10 | rsch | _Gotta: the md5sum is used to test the cd. I had some fail on me, because the bios isn't good at reading them, I think |
| 19:39.54 | _Gotta | rsch: ok... im transfering the custom iso (slowly) to my host computer.. gonna try it and see if it boots with ssh in a vbox before i burn it to a 'rom |
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| 19:40.16 | Lorcatar | rsch that doesnt help in the slightest I know about sources.list but I need to learn how to add testing. That has nothing about testing |
| 19:40.52 | Lorcatar | dpkg, tell Lorcatar about testing |
| 19:40.58 | Lorcatar | nothing |
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| 19:42.24 | rsch | dpkg, tell Lorcatar about msg the bots |
| 19:42.30 | rsch | dpkg, tell Lorcatar about jessie |
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| 19:42.56 | rsch | hi |
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| 19:44.09 | Lorcatar | dpkg, tell Lorcatar about sources.list |
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| 19:45.21 | drag0nius | where can i get some info on building armhf package? i'm trying to build vlc (with extra option enabled), but it requires libpvr_plugin.so which is part of another package 'vlc-nox' and isn't present in 'vlc' |
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| 19:48.26 | rsch | drag0nius: can you rephrase your question? what are you trying to acomplish? |
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| 19:48.40 | drag0nius | compiling VLC with hardware acceleration support |
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| 19:49.06 | rsch | drag0nius: you got the source from debian or upstream? |
| 19:49.07 | drag0nius | i was told best idea would be to download sources, add required option and then run dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 19:49.32 | drag0nius | but it is missing all .so files (i think all) from 'vlc-nox' package (i am building 'vlc' package) |
| 19:49.37 | drag0nius | so it cannot compile |
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| 19:50.18 | rsch | the source for both these packages is the same |
| 19:50.21 | drag0nius | it was missing libpvr_plugin.so i copied it over from installed vlc, then it is missing libomxil_plugin.so |
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| 19:51.01 | rsch | can you pastebin the error for me to see? |
| 19:51.06 | drag0nius | http://wklej.org/hash/68fe6ca5e56/ |
| 19:51.59 | rsch | no clue |
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| 19:52.55 | drag0nius | how do i build vlc-nox package? |
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| 19:53.03 | drag0nius | so i get all those .so files |
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| 19:53.15 | drag0nius | before building 'vlc' |
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| 20:04.04 | seanz | Can someone explain to me what "wheezy/sid" means when I cat /etc/debian_version? |
| 20:04.08 | seanz | Can/will? |
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| 20:08.01 | stew | seanz: it means that you have a base_files version that was installed when wheezy was the testing release |
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| 20:08.34 | seanz | stew: So my official release is sid? |
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| 20:09.22 | stew | seanz: i'm not sure what you mean by that, what I'd take away from it is "i'm looking at an outdated install which was at some point in the past following testing or unstable or wheezy" |
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| 20:10.51 | seanz | stew: Is "squeeze" the latest release? |
| 20:11.17 | stew | seanz: no, wheezy was released in May |
| 20:12.02 | stew | (which replaced squeeze as stable) |
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| 20:12.22 | seanz | stew: Do you have a link to more information about Debian versions? I'm finding myself rather confused that I apparently have an outdated install, but wheezy is the latest stable). |
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| 20:12.49 | seanz | (not that I don't appreciate your help) |
| 20:14.00 | stew | seanz: perhaps http://debian.org/releases ; yes, you were at some point tracking either wheezy or testing or unstable when wheezy was testing. it seems that wheezy has released since the last time you base-files package was updated, which probably means that most of the packages on your system are outdated. You should probably switch your sources.list to point specifically to wheezy and upgrade to the currently released wheezy packages then decid |
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| 20:14.44 | blubberdiblub | stew, the part after "wheezy packages then decid" was cut off |
| 20:15.05 | stew | ...then decide what you want to do from there |
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| 20:16.18 | seanz | stew: I believe the version we're using matches what we're running in production. |
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| 20:16.43 | stew | seanz: what do you mean by "the version"? |
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| 20:16.45 | seanz | stew: I'm trying to build a package and a packaging server on it, getting an error about an unknown distribution "unstable". Learning too many things at once perhaps. |
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| 20:16.58 | seanz | stew: I mean that I'm ignorant of Debian versions. :) |
| 20:17.08 | paulbe | hey ;-) |
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| 20:17.28 | seanz | stew: I'm expecting that this Debian server is at a particular version, but your questions are making me question that assumption. |
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| 20:18.12 | paulbe | can I install a debian on a IBM Xseries 225 for learn Debian ? |
| 20:18.28 | stew | seanz: you've only shown us the contents of one fall and so far it makes it sound like the package it comes from hasn't been upgraded in at least 8 months but probably more |
| 20:18.28 | rsch | seanz: pastebin the file /etc/apt/sources.list for us to see, please? |
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| 20:19.01 | seanz | rsch: Ok, hold a moment. |
| 20:19.29 | _Gotta | can i somehow start the debian installation from a freebsd setup (to enable ssh manually and then replace freebsd?) |
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| 20:20.05 | dimmATwerk | any rsnapshot users here? |
| 20:20.08 | dimmATwerk | wondering what happens when you start one instance of rsnapshot and another runs before this one completes |
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| 20:21.02 | stew | paulbe: sure, you can check the wheezy release notes for hardware requirements, but it should be quite modest, like 64 MB of ram and perhaps a gig of disk space |
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| 20:21.38 | seanz | rsch, stew: http://paste.debian.net/68944/ |
| 20:22.01 | paulbe | oki thank's stew |
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| 20:22.07 | stew | seanz: looks like ubuntu, not debian, you should probably be asking in #ubuntu |
| 20:22.17 | seanz | stew: Oh, duh. |
| 20:22.30 | seanz | Freaking Ubuntu. Why the heck are we using it? (rhetorical) |
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| 20:25.10 | seanz | Thanks again, stew and rsch. |
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| 20:25.41 | stew | the fact that you are seeing debian codenames makes me think it is probably a frankenbuntu at this point |
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| 20:25.53 | rsch | hes gone |
| 20:26.14 | rsch | Ubuntu keeps /etc/debian_version |
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| 20:26.37 | rsch | as to point what debian version it was based on |
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| 20:26.54 | jordanm | it's always based on sid |
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| 20:27.32 | rsch | but which sid? |
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| 20:28.08 | rsch | sid now, sid 8 months ago or 2 years ago? |
| 20:28.46 | jhutchins | rsch: Sid is always sid. |
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| 20:28.59 | jhutchins | rsch: Testing is <version>/sid. |
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| 20:29.01 | schultza | is this the debian support channel? If this is not the channel, please let me know. I'm having problems with a forcedeth (nvidia mcp55 ethernet w/2 ports on a 1U server from SuperMicro (warranty expired)). The ports just seem to be loosing connection. I have a lshw captured if you need it. |
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| 20:29.47 | jhutchins | schultza: Any spare ports on the switch? |
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| 20:30.10 | rsch | don't know then, I always see /etc/debian_version with a mixed debian version in ubuntu boxes, don't know what it means |
| 20:30.11 | jhutchins | schultza: dmesg would be more interesting than lshw. |
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| 20:35.07 | rosco_y | can anyone tell me why I'm getting this error running a2ensite: http://pastie.org/85237360 |
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| 20:36.19 | schultza | jhutchins: its not a switch, its a 1U computer. Besides, other computers work on that switch port just fine, with the same cable. |
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| 20:37.38 | zhr0 | long live the internet |
| 20:38.11 | schultza | and dmesg only says the eth1 port came up.. nothing about eth0. why would it only bring up one port and not the other when both are configured to come up on boot time? |
| 20:39.18 | jhutchins | schultza: I was asking if the switch that the 1U server was plugged in to had any spare ports that you could try switching to to see if the behavior continued. Switch port failure is not unknown. |
| 20:39.30 | schultza | http://paste.debian.net/68947/ |
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| 20:40.02 | drag0nius | how do i build multiple packages from the same source? |
| 20:40.05 | schultza | jhutchins: I've already tried that. Same ethernet cable, same switch port, different computer. No problems. |
| 20:40.19 | schultza | My paste is the dmesg from the machine. |
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| 20:42.38 | schultza | currently running Debian 7.2 64bit |
| 20:43.08 | jhutchins | schultza: 2.6.32 kernel? |
| 20:43.26 | schultza | no. |
| 20:43.28 | schultza | grr |
| 20:43.34 | schultza | no.. Linux vitex 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64 GNU/Linu |
| 20:43.56 | jhutchins | schultza: With the hardware errors in dmesg, I think I'd be tempted to clean the case and re-seat all the boards (and maybe the CPU). Including RAM. |
| 20:44.09 | stew | drag0nius: have multiple package stanzas in debian/control |
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| 20:44.29 | schultza | How can I reset a nvidia network ports which is part of the motherboard? |
| 20:44.50 | schultza | er reseat |
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| 20:44.56 | jhutchins | schultza: I didn't say to reset the network card, I said to reseat all of the cards and dimms. |
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| 20:45.04 | jhutchins | schultza: Also reseat all cables. |
| 20:45.15 | jhutchins | schultza: You seem to be getting some ata errors as well. |
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| 20:45.31 | schultza | ive been installing some drives today for backups |
| 20:45.34 | drag0nius | stew, looks like i have all packages i want to build in debian/control, but first one specified depends on those below |
| 20:45.42 | schultza | they're removable drives |
| 20:45.50 | jhutchins | schultza: Running a different computer on the same switch port is NOT the same as running the same computer on a different switch port. |
| 20:45.52 | drag0nius | and that first from top does not compile, because .so files from one below are missing |
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| 20:46.19 | jhutchins | schultza: There is no definitive formulaic answer to your problem, I'm trying to suggest things to try changing to change system behavior. |
| 20:46.34 | schultza | True. But eliminates the switch. |
| 20:46.35 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 20:46.36 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.12-trunk-686-pae (3.12-1~exp1); sid: 3.11-2-686-pae (3.11.8-1); jessie: 3.11-2-686-pae (3.11.8-1); wheezy-backports: 3.10-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.10.11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
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| 20:46.51 | schultza | ... and switch port. |
| 20:47.19 | jhutchins | schultza: No, it doesn't eliminate the switch. Some OSs are more tolerant of faulty switch behavior. |
| 20:47.32 | jhutchins | schultza: Same with some NIC Chipsets. |
| 20:47.39 | schultza | Other computers running same version, kernel as this computer. |
| 20:47.57 | jhutchins | schultza: Ok. You win. |
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| 21:14.45 | abrotman | is that all? |
| 21:15.20 | abrotman | bmahdi: google has docs, you just need to find an active project |
| 21:15.23 | teraflops | hehe |
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| 21:19.22 | tmallen | hi, on a fresh debian install earlier, i was getting 404 errors when trying to install a basic package (nginx), that's kind of weird ... the apt sources are fine though, ftp.debian.whatever |
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| 21:19.45 | tmallen | the sources match what i have on a production machine so i know they're ok |
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| 21:20.00 | tmallen | and aptitude update works, so network connectivity seems to be ok |
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| 21:21.10 | pengunix | Iridos: indeed, it is a system in lxc container. |
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| 21:21.53 | millican | exit |
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| 21:29.44 | Lorcatar | Could somone give me the name of the source for testing packages? I am using stable right now and would like to download libreoffice testing |
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| 21:35.19 | Penix | Lorcatar: you don't want to do that |
| 21:35.20 | Penix | ~tell Lorcatar about backports |
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| 21:36.25 | anoob | what if this doesnt work? http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Debian#Configuration_for_Reboot.2C_Shutdown.2C_and_Suspend |
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| 21:37.48 | jhutchins | bmahdi: You would need something with access to the sms network. |
| 21:38.06 | jhutchins | bmahdi: It's pretty unusual to be able to implement that yourself. |
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| 21:42.06 | rsplenum | After the release of debian 7 does debian 6 still receives security updates ? |
| 21:42.22 | Penix | anoob: that page mentions hal, which nobody uses anymore, or at least I'd hope lxde isn't. |
| 21:42.33 | dondelelcaro | rsplenum: for a limited time, yes |
| 21:42.35 | zykotick9 | rsplenum: for 1 year, as old-stable, YES |
| 21:42.54 | anoob | Penix, i see ... so, what should i do? |
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| 21:44.30 | rsplenum | i see its not like centos where the 2.6 kernel still recieves security updates ? |
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| 21:45.03 | Penix | anoob: google. perhaps 'lxde udev reboot' or something similar |
| 21:45.10 | hagbard_celine | Hi there. Does someone know why my webdav with apache2 is able to delete files from remote but not to upload files? |
| 21:46.07 | Penix | rsplenum: yes, it receives security updates, but not forever, just like most distros. eventually it is expected that people upgrade |
| 21:46.15 | gregor3005 | hi, does anybody know a way to manage acl with a webfrontend? normally i use the shell but i need it for a friend who want to manage the acl :-/ the webmin way is very unstable |
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| 21:47.21 | PryMar56 | hagbard_celine, check the ports used by webdav in firewall and `netstat -an` |
| 21:47.44 | hagbard_celine | mh.. there is no firewall between client and server |
| 21:47.47 | hagbard_celine | :-/ |
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| 21:48.49 | hagbard_celine | I will post my config maybe this could help |
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| 21:49.45 | Houhex | hello how can i open subtitles (srt) in VLC player? |
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| 21:50.14 | hagbard_celine | PryMar56: http://nopaste.info/13e8f6e797.html |
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| 21:50.37 | gregor3005 | hi, i use openldap the first time, it works with very nice with the "ldap account manager". the problem is, i have a folder with to group rights, one readonly and one with write permissions. when i change the group for a users from read to write the changes are made immediately to openldap but the system still use the old group. i tested this with "sudo -u username mkdir /home/folder/test". after i set the group to write for th |
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| 21:54.21 | Penix | Houhex: google seems to know a whole lot about doing that |
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| 22:01.56 | NHR9K | i have nearly converted all of my family to linux but the last link is my uncle he is in love with win8 metro ui, is there a dm/de that will break his attachment to windows? |
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| 22:02.58 | meshuggah | do you know compiz? |
| 22:03.10 | meshuggah | NHR9K, |
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| 22:03.29 | NHR9K | i know its a composit manager lol meshuggah |
| 22:03.40 | NHR9K | what about it? |
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| 22:04.00 | dondelelcaro | NHR9K: I think unity was planning on doing something like that, and there might be gnome3 tweaks which do that |
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| 22:04.14 | dondelelcaro | NHR9K: but I personally find that style of interface annoying, so have never looked into it |
| 22:04.18 | meshuggah | it make the "windows" burns, wobble and all |
| 22:04.32 | NHR9K | dondelelcaro: i personaly hate win8 ui |
| 22:04.47 | NHR9K | its made for tablets not pc |
| 22:05.10 | meshuggah | compiz? |
| 22:05.24 | Penix | compiz is just a window manager |
| 22:05.29 | ShapeShifter499 | jhutchins, if you are still around, emdebian cross compilers need two extra lines pointing to their squeeze repo and to the official debian squeeze repo probably because wheezy doesn't have required packages yet and/or emdebian hasn't caught up to new wheezy changes. |
| 22:05.56 | NHR9K | but its not me its my uncle who complains his laptop is bad and disconect from wifi all time and i know that debian would kick some but on it but he would miss his ui |
| 22:06.20 | ShapeShifter499 | jhutchins, anyways got my arm kernel compiled and ready to go! |
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| 22:06.52 | NHR9K | Penix: Compiz is an OpenGL compositing manager -Google |
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| 22:07.23 | Penix | NHR9K: a window manager that supports GL compositing -Penix |
| 22:08.02 | flami | compiz isn't used much anymore . i think these days only unity actually uses compiz for compositing. |
| 22:08.07 | NHR9K | Penix: why do i not believe that that would solve my problem lol |
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| 22:08.31 | Penix | NHR9K: exactly |
| 22:09.15 | NHR9K | i would rather him suffer with windows 8 than build a de |
| 22:09.20 | jhutchins | ShapeShifter499: Great, that is pretty much what I suspected. |
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| 22:10.51 | jhutchins | NHR9K: The point of Linux isn't really to copy everything Windows does and provide a free version of Windows, but to find it's own path to solutions. |
| 22:10.58 | flami | didn't someone build an example wayland DE that was a 3d game? I mean it can't be much worse than metro. |
| 22:11.12 | Penix | NHR9K: there's nothing really similar to the metro tiling stuff. there's window tiling available in loads of window managers, but that's not the same |
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| 22:12.00 | Penix | NHR9K: I've never used it for any significant amount of time, but unity would probably be the fanciest thing that a windows user might enjoy |
| 22:12.06 | Penix | NHR9K: of course, that'd mean ubuntu |
| 22:12.18 | NHR9K | jhutchins: true, verry true Penix , yeah i gatered that from my searches but wanted to check here real quick |
| 22:12.25 | NHR9K | unity is bad |
| 22:12.33 | NHR9K | imo |
| 22:12.33 | Penix | mmkay |
| 22:12.40 | Penix | he'll have to put up with windows then I guess |
| 22:12.50 | NHR9K | i guess so haha |
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| 22:16.51 | phy1729 | What is the system doing during boot between saying Loading, please wait and INIT: ... ? |
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| 22:17.43 | Penix | phy1729: spewing a bunch of kernel output that you're not seeing because the 'quiet' option has been set |
| 22:18.26 | Penix | aka booting |
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| 22:18.39 | phy1729 | ah |
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| 22:31.00 | echofox | how do i remove openbox from debian7.2 lxde? |
| 22:32.00 | Penix | echofox: the same way you'd remove any package |
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| 22:32.23 | echofox | yeah? just apt-get remove openbox? |
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| 22:33.40 | jhutchins | echofox: Possibly purge instead of remove. |
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| 22:37.00 | echofox | heh, logged out and my screen is black. haha |
| 22:37.15 | NHR9K | Penix: hey you were telling me something about compliz right? |
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| 22:37.57 | echofox | ive lost startx haha |
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| 22:38.29 | wolfspy^ | Hi I just installed and when I boot this error shows http://imgur.com/3uuJZD7 |
| 22:38.31 | NHR9K | echofox: if im not mistakeing startx is a part of xinit |
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| 22:39.29 | jhutchins | NHR9K: That's really not how things work these days. |
| 22:40.12 | jhutchins | echofox: Your desktop is usually launched by a Desktop Manager, which is the screen that handles the graphical login. Uninstalling openbox may have uninstalled that. |
| 22:40.23 | jhutchins | echofox: Do you still have a console? |
| 22:40.42 | echofox | yep, im installing ldxe, then if that doesnt work, ldxe-core |
| 22:40.49 | NHR9K | jhutchins: apt-get install gdm if you want gnome login |
| 22:41.19 | NHR9K | jhutchins: i like startx tho i use the cmd line quite a bit |
| 22:41.23 | jhutchins | echofox: You might need to install lightdm, which is the default I believe. |
| 22:42.35 | echofox | jhutchins, its already istalled |
| 22:42.57 | echofox | maybe x11 was removed... |
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| 22:43.27 | NHR9K | echofox: i would think if x was removed it would also remove any dm you had.. |
| 22:44.23 | echofox | well all i know is startx says command not found. |
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| 22:44.31 | echofox | i guess i could reinstall openbox? |
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| 22:47.04 | echofox | FIXED, needed to reinstall Xorg |
| 22:47.10 | jhutchins | echofox: service lightdm start? |
| 22:48.44 | echofox | jhutchins, that worked. im going to restart and see if i get brought to the gui log in. its hard to concentrate while adventure time is on the other laptop |
| 22:49.29 | echofox | hmm, openbox is still an option for xsession.. hmm |
| 22:49.53 | wolfspy^ | What repo do I enable to get the [Linux] packages? |
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| 22:53.20 | Penix | wolfspy^: what? |
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| 22:54.00 | wolfspy^ | Exactly |
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| 22:54.21 | wolfspy^ | I think I fixed it |
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| 22:57.48 | hans_henrik | can i explicitly remove multiarch support from a debian7 installation? |
| 22:58.14 | hans_henrik | (on this specific box, any 32bit binary running, is almost guaranteed to be an error on my part, and id like an error if it'd happen) |
| 22:58.31 | Penix | probably something like dpkg --remove-architecture <foo> |
| 22:58.32 | Penix | google knows |
| 22:59.01 | dondelelcaro | hans_henrik: if you haven't specifically added the 32bit architecture, then you won't get anything like that running |
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| 22:59.19 | dondelelcaro | hans_henrik: but if you install a 32bit executable which does not require external libraries, it will still work |
| 22:59.25 | hans_henrik | found relevant wiki page ^^ ( https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO) |
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| 23:01.25 | wolfspy^ | Does anyone know what repo to add http://imgur.com/xhFacBv ??? |
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| 23:03.18 | dondelelcaro | wolfspy^: uh... we don't have a package called linux in Debian. |
| 23:03.48 | dondelelcaro | wolfspy^: assuming you have the appropriate repository for the main Debian archive, you should have all of the kernel packages and everything else... |
| 23:04.33 | wolfspy^ | I do |
| 23:04.43 | wolfspy^ | I'll just make sure and try again |
| 23:04.56 | Penix | wolfspy^: what's going on in that image? |
| 23:05.03 | wolfspy^ | Err |
| 23:05.18 | wolfspy^ | It's asking me to do something |
| 23:05.18 | Penix | I mean, what is it that you're doing? |
| 23:05.34 | wolfspy^ | Boot repair disk |
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| 23:05.49 | Akuw | hi |
| 23:05.50 | hans_henrik | whats the difference between 7.0 / 7.1 / 7.2 btw? |
| 23:05.51 | wolfspy^ | Hi |
| 23:05.58 | Penix | hans_henrik: different releases |
| 23:06.15 | dondelelcaro | hans_henrik: they're just point releases; rollup of security fixes and more important bug fixes |
| 23:06.38 | hans_henrik | which apt-get upgrade should install for you anyway, on a 7.0 system? |
| 23:06.38 | Akuw | i want to sell a software with source code, but i don't want that client distribute source code, only that company can se and use source code, what licence i can use? |
| 23:06.43 | dondelelcaro | hans_henrik: right |
| 23:06.48 | wolfspy^ | Oh yay I fixed it somehow |
| 23:06.58 | dondelelcaro | hans_henrik: a 7.0 system which is keeping up is actually the same as a 7.2 or soon a 7.3 system, iirc. |
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| 23:07.28 | Penix | Akuw: your own? doesn't sound very much like you want an 'open source' license |
| 23:07.33 | hans_henrik | kk ^^ |
| 23:08.35 | dondelelcaro | (the IIRC was for the fact that 7.3 upcoming, in case that wasn't clear) |
| 23:08.39 | hans_henrik | Akuw, http://creativecommons.org/choose/ maybe |
| 23:08.40 | hans_henrik | :p |
| 23:08.53 | hans_henrik | (specifically "Allow adaptations of your work to be shared?" part) |
| 23:08.59 | Akuw | Penix: that software is created by me |
| 23:09.06 | Penix | Akuw: exactly |
| 23:09.21 | Penix | Akuw: so, you want to sell your code to a company, and not allow them to share it with anybody else, right? |
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| 23:10.04 | Penix | Akuw: so, make that part of the legal mumbo jumbo involved in selling them the software |
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| 23:10.31 | Akuw | yes |
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| 23:11.01 | Penix | so, maybe hire a lawyer or something and get them to put together a license agreement that'll hold up in court |
| 23:11.03 | Akuw | i have to tell in the contract he can see and use source code, but can't distribute, right? |
| 23:11.13 | Krugger | Akuw: what about a non disclosure clause, relating to the source code |
| 23:11.22 | Akuw | how? |
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| 23:12.12 | Krugger | http://www.monotypeimaging.com/Assets/PDFs/NDA_SourceCode.pdf |
| 23:12.44 | Akuw | "Source Code is property of Company Name. Client accept no disclosure of source code....." |
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| 23:13.00 | dondelelcaro | Akuw: you should really get in contact with a lawyer; this has nothing to do with Debian or #debian. |
| 23:13.05 | Krugger | you might want to change that a bit to suit you needs |
| 23:13.14 | Akuw | ok |
| 23:13.25 | Krugger | yeah, because it has to hold up in court |
| 23:13.47 | Krugger | and we are more on the copyleft side of things, not much on copyright :P |
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| 23:16.28 | JuanDaugherty | is there a way to use pm-utils or equiv at command line in Wheezy? |
| 23:16.58 | wolfspy^ | Do you install grub on SDA or sda1 sda1 says /boot next to it |
| 23:17.06 | abrotman | JuanDaugherty: to do what exactly? |
| 23:17.29 | JuanDaugherty | hibernate/sleep wolfspy whereever your MBR is normally |
| 23:17.42 | wolfspy^ | Oh |
| 23:17.48 | wolfspy^ | I don't know what that is |
| 23:17.53 | Akuw | is this supported in debian Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter (rev 01) ? |
| 23:18.15 | JuanDaugherty | it's usually sda but ude fdisk and look |
| 23:18.16 | abrotman | probably |
| 23:18.20 | abrotman | Akuw: probably |
| 23:18.22 | abrotman | wolfspy^: sda |
| 23:18.27 | JuanDaugherty | *use |
| 23:18.27 | wolfspy^ | Do you install grub on the boot partition? |
| 23:18.30 | wolfspy^ | Oh |
| 23:18.34 | wolfspy^ | Not sda1 |
| 23:18.36 | JuanDaugherty | yes |
| 23:18.40 | wolfspy^ | Ok |
| 23:18.53 | Penix | Akuw: there's a debian wiki page |
| 23:18.54 | JuanDaugherty | those are logical devices on the physical device |
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| 23:19.07 | JuanDaugherty | use the physical with fdisl |
| 23:19.13 | JuanDaugherty | *fdisk |
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| 23:19.49 | JuanDaugherty | and if hal isn't being used for acpi/pm-utils in wheezy what is? |
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| 23:22.32 | abrotman | dpkg: tell JuanDaugherty about hibernate |
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| 23:22.55 | JuanDaugherty | slow or not online? |
| 23:22.57 | ll_ | hello. |
| 23:23.02 | JuanDaugherty | yello |
| 23:23.31 | ll_ | is there any way to set the iteration count for bcrypt in the pam_unix2 module (the version in current wheezy)? a web search doesn't turn up anything useful. |
| 23:23.31 | abrotman | or you don't know how ot use IRC |
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| 23:24.35 | JuanDaugherty | abrotman, were you addressing me? |
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| 23:25.03 | JuanDaugherty | if you mean because I responded to you and wolfspy in same line, sorry |
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| 23:25.44 | JuanDaugherty | oh, didn't see the pm |
| 23:26.24 | JuanDaugherty | and yeah that stuff is marked 2 or 3 versions obsolete |
| 23:26.31 | JuanDaugherty | (relative to wheezy) |
| 23:26.45 | abrotman | you read teh whole wiki page laready? |
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| 23:32.52 | JuanDaugherty | hibernate does work, thx |
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| 23:34.02 | mrbean | Hello, why aptitude ncurses says I have packages to remove/update but in aptitude CLI there's no mention of that? I always use CLI. |
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| 23:38.31 | echofox | if i install tightvnc, do i have to be logged in for it to start? or does it start at boot? |
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| 23:39.32 | DeepBlue | hi,may i ask how 2 get firefox 25? |
| 23:39.51 | abrotman | DeepBlue: mozilla.debian.net |
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| 23:40.14 | wolfspy^ | Does anyone know how to fix this error on boot http://m.imgur.com/3uuJZD7 |
| 23:41.12 | abrotman | wolfspy^: were you asking last night too ? |
| 23:41.19 | wolfspy^ | Yes |
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| 23:43.12 | abrotman | and you reinstalled? |
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| 23:43.17 | wolfspy^ | Yes |
| 23:43.39 | wolfspy^ | I also reinstalled grub and I'm reinstalling the kernal right now |
| 23:44.26 | addaitech | abrotman, im going to do a install of jessie from the weekly builds dvds |
| 23:44.45 | addaitech | how would i go about installing it without getting gnome installed? |
| 23:45.14 | addaitech | never did an install without gnome from the base install |
| 23:45.55 | abrotman | just don't install a Desktop, isntall one later |
| 23:46.07 | addaitech | ok thats what i was thinking |
| 23:46.10 | addaitech | thanks |
| 23:46.17 | addaitech | just wanted to make sure |
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| 23:47.14 | wolfspy^ | I might try an older kernal too |
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| 23:49.50 | wolfspy^ | How do you view the option menu for different kernals in grub? |
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| 23:50.44 | abrotman | menu? |
| 23:51.07 | wolfspy^ | Like how do you change to an older kernal? |
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| 23:51.36 | abrotman | it would be listed there if available |
| 23:51.57 | wolfspy^ | Oh |
| 23:52.14 | wolfspy^ | How do I add it if it's not there |
| 23:53.06 | abrotman | you'd have to boot your system |
| 23:53.48 | wolfspy^ | What about with chroot |
| 23:54.14 | abrotman | what older kernel do you think will work ? |
| 23:54.20 | abrotman | what options di dyou use when you installed? |
| 23:54.32 | wolfspy^ | Just defaults |
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| 23:55.34 | DeepBlue | are hp 1050 printers supported? |
| 23:55.48 | abrotman | by what? |
| 23:55.59 | abrotman | wolfspy^: I'd actually say for you to try the jessie installer .. |
| 23:56.11 | abrotman | wolfspy^: or monkey with your BIOS a bit |
| 23:56.18 | wolfspy^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.41 | wolfspy^ | I did a bit of stuff in bios nothing work |
| 23:56.50 | wolfspy^ | In using a phone by the way |
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