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00:00.47zykotick9monsterco: i certainly hope you didn't take what i said as a recommendation to install n-m... best of luck.
00:01.48mousedraghaving trouble running gnome-control-center
00:02.32mousedragcould someone direct me to the gnome logs which would contain information regarding gnome-control-center crashing?
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00:04.51nabbletok, i'm backin. everything seems to be ok and i can access the ext hdd. thank you somiaj zykotick9 mumpitzel - one question though: is that limitation with the identical ids not bothering anyone?
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00:05.42nabbleti mean, how do you usually transfer data then (with a pendrive or similar)? copy them as root and then chown them?
00:05.49mousedragnvm gotta debug with gdk_synchronize
00:05.59zykotick9nabblet: i always create the same first user on my system.  so UIDs match for NFS (in my case).
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00:06.24nabbletzykotick9: and if you pass a pendrive to a friend?
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00:06.28nabbletvfat?
00:06.31mousedragdamn its because of my dumb video card
00:07.02zykotick9nabblet: hasn't been an issue for me.  no gnu/linux friends ;)
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00:07.44mumpitzelnabblet: your friend can chroot it himself if he needs to: he is root on his machine
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00:08.12nabbletok, i have to admit, it's the frist time this issue struck me. i think i had that problem before, but didn't understand it back then... i copied as root and then chown'ed
00:08.14zykotick9nabblet: you could technically apply all permissions to the files/directories and share using ext?
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00:11.06nabbletzykotick9: mumpitzel anyway, thank you two and somiaj for your great help! ... now where was I, ah yes! backups on my ext. hdd :P
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00:17.44peterShrrmph, seems $PPID in bash is not kept up to date.  is there a simple "am I an orphan" check that actually works?
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00:17.52peterSand yes I know about kill -0 $PPID but that's technically racey
00:18.02themillany check is going to be
00:18.25peterSno, not any check.  if your parent is pid 1, you're an orphan.  there just doesn't seem to be an easy way to tell that.
00:18.37peterSI mean besides running ps explicitly
00:18.52themillyou could become an orphan between checking and then acting on that information; any check can be racey
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00:19.06peterSthe race with kill -0 $PPID is that another unrelated process could pick up the same ID as $PPID sometime after your real PPID dies
00:19.17themillyes, that's yet another problem
00:19.44peterSbut if you check and your current PPID is 1, then you're an orphan and that fact won't change
00:19.56koollmanpeterS: here's a valid check : are you batman?
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00:20.12themillpeterS: but if you check it and it's not 1, then what?
00:20.13peterSkoollman: is there a simple test in bash to tell me that?
00:20.50peterSthemill: I want my subprocess to die when it finds out it has been abandoned.  Whether this happens immediately is of lesser concern than that it happens eventually
00:20.50zykotick9peterS: "whoami" ;)
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00:21.40peterSthemill: you'd think SIGINT or SIGHUP would be transmitted through to the subprocess, and maybe sometimes it is, but it seems like something I can't rely on
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00:22.28koollmanpeterS: what will your process do differently if the parent isn't there anymore ?
00:22.33peterSzykotick9: if becoming an orphan would also reliably make me Batman, then great, that solves my problem.  But....
00:22.35themillpeterS: what makes the parent die?
00:22.39peterSkoollman: it will die
00:22.50peterSthemill: ctrl-c, screen window close, etc.
00:23.05themillpeterS: so does the parent need to trap those signals and explicitly pass them to kids?
00:23.12koollmanpeterS: why doesn't it die currently ? :)
00:23.32peterSkoollman: valid question.  but it seems it doesn't, at least not reliably
00:23.39themillpeterS: something along the lines of trap 'kill -HUP 0' EXIT
00:23.49themilladding extra signals to your liking
00:23.59koollmanpeterS: it does. just not when doing something 'uninterruptible'. but it will die later anyway
00:24.20peterSyes, I know it is supposed to
00:24.26peterSthis puts me in a hard place between theory and practice
00:24.54koollmanwhat is it doing when it isn't dead ? what does strace -p yourprocessid report ?
00:25.11peterSit's doing what it always does.  sleeps in a loop, then runs some ssh stuff, then sleeps some more
00:25.22peterSit is a rather lazy subprocess, you could say
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00:26.37peterSanyway if the shell doesn't provide any actual way to get your ppid, I suppose I'll do something hacky with 'ps' or maybe /proc/self
00:27.01themillor fix the parent
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00:27.17peterS(I note bash doesn't bother to keep $$ up to date either.  maybe having $$ invariant is mandated by posix or something, I dunno.)
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00:27.28koollmanpeterS: Can you reproduce a situation where it doesn't die once the parent process died ?
00:28.10peterSprobably
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00:30.19koollmanpeterS: $PPID exists in bash. But I don't think it's a good idea or a useful check
00:30.40peterSkoollman: wtf man.  I guess you missed the half of the conversation where I explained that $PPID is not useful?
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00:32.48koollmanpeterS: maybe. But you cannot test wether it's useful or not since you will have a hard time making a child process that doesn't die when the parent process die (without explicitely making it a daemon)
00:33.07peterSkoollman: just for you: http://paste.debian.net/66916/
00:34.15peterS(I note the #!/bin/bash is not really necessary, /bin/sh will do just as well)
00:34.45BronzeJust apt-cache searched for libdvdcss.so.2, not found.  How do I install that library?
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00:35.28MaxHaymanHey I'm writing a shell script. I was wondering if anyone knew where to get some dummy maillog files to test my script it working!
00:35.29zykotick9Bronze: you might want to check deb-multimedia
00:35.30SakaraBronze: apt-file is a program that will index files in packages.
00:35.42SakaraBronze: Once setup you can search for a sepecific library name
00:35.55zykotick9MaxHayman: keep ubuntu issues in #ubuntu please
00:36.00Bronzezykotick9: where is deb-multimedia? is that a web site?
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00:36.40MaxHaymanits not a ubuntu isue :S
00:36.48zykotick9Bronze: yes...  fyi deb-multimedia repos might not be a good idea!  see if you can just download teh appropriate deb file(s).  sorry i don't use dvd anymore.
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00:37.31zykotick9MaxHayman: you just asked in #ubuntu at 19:29 but really it's debian?  where you asked at 19:35?
00:37.41Bronzezykotick9: i think I understand that. i did a network install so I'm not using DVD's either.
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00:38.01BronzeSakara: no apt-file on my system, installing now
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00:38.16peterSzykotick9: maybe in defiance of all precedent, he figures you can get better quality debian help in #ubuntu (:
00:38.32zykotick9peterS: ya... right ;)
00:38.35MaxHaymanI asked in both. It's not a ubuntu specific question.
00:38.59rjsaltsBronze: the instructions for libdvdcss are in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/README.css
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00:39.05peterSMaxHayman: what is a "maillog file" in your opinion?  I mean what are you really after?  I ask because various mail handling software can produce log files but there isn't just one common format for them
00:39.24andiolsihttp://debian-mirrors.sdinet.de/debian-multimedia/pool/main/libd/libdvdcss/
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00:39.31zykotick9Bronze: IGNORE my suggestion!  see rjsalts above!
00:39.44Bronzerjsalts: gracias
00:39.56Bronzezykotick9: and thank you, regardless. :)
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00:41.56MaxHaymana /var/log/maillog
00:42.26peterSthat doesn't tell me much as my system has no such file.  Maybe because I'm using Debian.  (:
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00:43.35MaxHaymana /var/log/mail.log
00:44.02MaxHaymanbut its cool
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00:44.17peterSthat doesn't tell me much either.  while I do have that file, the same file is used by multiple software packages and I don't know which one you're using in Ubuntu
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00:45.50zxq9Is Wheezy not using systemd? Or is systemctl a different command? I'm just trying to figure out how to list services.
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00:50.08zykotick9zxq9: no, wheezy is NOT using systemd.  personally, i use rcconf to list/config my services YMMV
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01:07.50DoverMoapt-get moo
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01:09.17zykotick9DoverMo: "aptitude moo" is SO much better :p
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01:10.18grimetonzykotick9: use -v more often
01:10.33zykotick9grimeton: that's the joke ;)
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01:11.30koollmanpeterS: http://paste.debian.net/66922/ (rather ugly, but it works)
01:12.44peterSkoollman: oh hey, there's a $BASHPID separate from $$ and it is actually kept up to date?  good to know
01:12.58mikegAfter last dist-upgrade on testing, I've got a new gdm graphical login that accepts login credentials but doesn't start a window manager. Is this a known issue?
01:13.15koollmanpeterS: I learned that while writing the example, yes. $$ is tricky :)
01:13.56peterSyeah $$ is as useless as $PPID in this regard: not updated for subshells.  too bad about lack of $BASHPPID  (:
01:14.31Bronzekoollman: I always used $$ for naming temp files and such. What is it dangerous to use for?
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01:14.40koollmanBronze: subshells
01:15.06Bronzeah, cause your parent proc wont know what the value was...
01:15.10peterSBronze: it's dangerous for naming temp files, for one.  if your temp file has a name that can easily be predicted by an attacker, the attacker will create a symlink to some other file that you have write access to but he doesn't
01:15.39koollmanBronze: temp files are made nicely with mktemp
01:15.59BronzepeterS: yes,easily globbed, but that would aqlso apply to BASHPID, yes?
01:16.29peterSBronze: correct.  I wouldn't use $BASHPID for temp files either.
01:17.10Bronzekoollman: yes, but I'm an old leopard. .. :-0 i do use mktemp once in a while, but I;m so used to whipping out a $$ I often don't think first.
01:17.12peterS...well I might, but not for any software I expected to release upon the wide world.  I'll do it in my own scripts on my own system where I can assume the reward/risk of the simpler solution is worth it.
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01:17.41koollmanpeterS: anyway, thanks to you I learned a few things in bash today. now I can sleep :)
01:17.44peterSthough as koollman notes, mktemp (or indeed tempfile on debian systems) is so easy to use there's not really much excuse to build your own temp file
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01:18.13BronzeJa, just a habit, which I admit, is not much ofan excuse. :-)
01:18.17uberdubwhat channel is for jessie?
01:18.37Bronzeuberdub: 867-5309
01:18.38zykotick9uberdub: #debian-next on OFTC network
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01:18.43uberdublast update screwed everything up
01:18.52uberduboftc?
01:18.59uberdubnothing on freenode?
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01:19.04zykotick9!tell uberdub about oftc
01:19.09peterSkoollman: awk '/PPid:/{print $2}' /proc/self/status    might be easier than the ps thing you have
01:19.40uberdub?
01:19.44DoverMozykotick9, i have no easter eggs ;-;
01:19.55uberdubwhy the hell did I get some pop up about dpkg?
01:20.06zykotick9DoverMo: add a -v then -vv then -vvv etc.
01:20.18Bronze!tell bronze about oftc
01:21.03ChibaPetBronze: You can /msg dpkg tell me about oftc
01:21.05zykotick9!tell Bronze about self tell
01:21.18Bronzeuberdub: dpkg is the name of the bot sending you the message. the message itself is telling you about the oftc IRC network
01:21.39DoverMozykotick9, an elephant being eaten by a snake ;A;
01:21.55uberdubthrowing pop ups on my screen is pretty intrusive
01:21.58BronzeI don't have any tells.... :-) (wait .. I lost $200 last time i played poker.... )
01:22.09uberdubreally cant just tell someone?
01:22.14uberdubis it really that hard?
01:22.16themilluberdub: you've got your answer
01:22.18uberdubffs
01:22.40uberdubno I dont
01:22.43Bronzeuberdub: That mechanism was devised (i assume) to keep repetitive info out of the channel.
01:22.56uberdubwell its lame, and intrusive
01:23.00zykotick9Bronze: bingo!
01:23.13uberdubI dont accept pop ups
01:23.15uberdubsorry
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01:23.42themillWelcome to irc.
01:23.47DoverMouberdub, wget doesn't have any popups
01:23.57uberdubif telling people basic info is so much skin off your back, then dont hang out in a support channel
01:24.00koollmanpeterS: /proc/self is tricky too ;)
01:24.01peterSpopups?  if your IRC app is trying to generate popups I'd say you have bigger problems
01:24.04Bronzeuberdub: my irc client puts them in another channel window, so they are not intrusive. (Xchat)
01:24.23Bronzeuberdub: but that is configurable on some IRC programs
01:24.23koollmanpeterS: this would be the ppid of the awk process. which is not what you want
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01:24.41themilluberdub: sure, we like typing the same repeatedly and it has never occurred to us to automate the process.
01:24.57themillPerhaps you should concentrate on actually getting your problem solved...
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01:25.06Bronzeuberdub: fyi irc.oftc.net  is the server address
01:25.08peterSkoollman: good point, this is where you want a shell redirect so awk isn't the one opening the file
01:25.20uberdubperhaps you should actually do something, or move on.
01:25.20LorcatarHello, which is more unstable testing or unstable?
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01:25.41DoverMoLorcatar, unstable
01:25.52LorcatarThanks DoverMo *bows*
01:25.56themillLorcatar: unstable doesn't even necessarily have a consistent set of packages that can be installed
01:25.58koollmanpeterS: which is ... hard to do (or I think it is), when you want the output in a shell variable or at least in an expression
01:26.01zykotick9Lorcatar: personally, i'd say they're both about the same (compared to "stable") but others would disagree.
01:26.14BronzeI was gonna guess testing.
01:26.20DoverMoLorcatar, more unstable yet, experimental
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01:26.42LorcatarHmm okay thanks ;)
01:26.49peterSkoollman: wow, yeah, awk '/PPid:/{print $2}' < /proc/self/status, with the < redirect, fails too.  I guess bash opens the input file after it forks.
01:27.11DoverModebian, official sponsor of grape-nuts
01:27.26koollmanpeterS: yes. subshell content isn't evaluated by the parent. it's forked first
01:27.42peterSkoollman: here we go.  exec 99</proc/self/status; awk '/PPid:/{print $2}' <&99
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01:27.58peterSthe exec happens in the main shell, so it actually gets the right answer
01:28.02koollmanpeterS: and now ... I think the ps solution is slightly more readable ;)
01:28.12koollmanbut yes, it can be done
01:28.12peterSquite (:
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01:29.56peterSkoollman: ...or if you want to count fields, there's the stat file instead of status: exec 99</proc/self/stat; ppid=$(cut -f4 -d\  <&99)
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01:31.10koollmanpeterS: as long as your put at the end of the line : # deep magic, guess what it means  ;)
01:31.16peterSha
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01:31.51peterS# don't "optimize" this as /proc/self will eat you for lunch
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01:31.59koollman:)
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01:39.22neverwearcondomswhy do nerds have such ugly girlfriends?
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01:41.05well_laid_lawnwhy do people think expressing their opinion is appropriate?
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01:44.46Bronzewell_laid_lawn:  well, i Think that its because....
01:44.59well_laid_lawnheh
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02:08.09nellhey
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02:08.30nellI mounted my FS using sshfs and I can't browse the directory without being root
02:08.37nelli tried to chmod -R the directory
02:08.41nellbut i get permission denied
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02:11.39nellhow do I modify the directory permissions to allow a user to browse the sshfs mounted drive
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02:14.14occupantchmod a+r
02:14.56nellchanging permissions of /mnt/dir permission denied
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02:15.23occupantas root?
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02:16.10nellYeah
02:16.14occupantshow us the permissions on it
02:16.45xxxwpnis there a way to test yuor debian knowledge
02:16.51nelldrwxr-xr-x
02:16.57xxxwpnis there a way to test how well you know how to use debian?
02:17.29nellyou can contribute code or obtain a linux+ certification
02:17.30occupantdo a "chown root" on your mountpoint
02:17.39zykotick9xxxwpn: sure, hang out in #debian for a while - and realize, you don't know shit ;)  that's what i do.
02:17.45nellpermission denied occupant
02:17.53xxxwpnok i will do that
02:18.01xxxwpneverytime someone talks abouts omething, ill approach it as a problem to solve.
02:18.10xxxwpnand if i dont get it, i will say i don't get it.
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02:30.10zykotick9xxxwpn: fyi, for an even more hardcore #debian try OFTC "/msg dpkg oftc" for details.
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02:31.46xxxwpnzykotick9: ill do that right away, is that really tough stuff to digest
02:32.55zykotick9xxxwpn: oftc is the "real" #debian channel - more devs hangout there
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02:33.21zykotick9xxxwpn: but typically, less people/users
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02:47.30rryoumaa`in what way is oftc different from this channel?
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02:51.15LtLrryoumaa`: OFTC has the distinction of being the official #debian channel, aside from that very little afaik.
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02:54.39dvsWe're just a ragtag bunch of merry people
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02:55.11LtLzykotick9: i didn't see your answer, sorry :)
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02:55.25LtLdvs: +1
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03:08.05zykotick9LtL: sorry, what answer?
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03:08.53zykotick9LtL: sorry, i see now.
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03:20.58nanicoarHello. In what channel should I ask for help regarding using Makefiles?
03:21.41themillnanicoar: #workingset is a good channel
03:22.03themillerr... ##workingset
03:22.09nanicoarThank you. =)
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03:24.48nanicoarI'ma idle over there now. cya
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03:25.15iateadonutif you've got a web/mysql server, and if the network is down you want it to switch to another network, i guess my first question is what room is it appropriate to ask this in?
03:25.16iateadonutthis one?
03:25.47hplcmaybe #networking
03:26.49hplcfallback and failover have existed for some time, if thats what you mean
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03:46.30Megaffolks, hows debian proposed updates differs from updates?
03:46.34MegafHi all
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03:55.03leahcimQuestion: If multiarch is supposed to allow (for example) i386 and amd64 binaries to coexist, why do the i386 and amd64 of the various build tools (gcc, binutils, cpp, etc) conflict with each other?
03:56.29leahcimis discovering that building package for i386 on amd64 with 'debuild -ai386' is difficult when a compiler is involved.
03:57.15Megafwill never ever buy and asus usb wifi dongle
03:57.31MegafI got a USB-N10 fro ASUS, absolutely rubbish
03:57.53MegafI'm getting 4 KB/s now
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04:02.21xxxwpnwhen i try to open a pdf file, it opens with a gnu image manipulation software
04:02.28xxxwpnis that normal
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04:12.55rudi_sleahcim: Multiarch is wronly named in its current form in Debian, it should be called multilib.
04:13.04rudi_sOnly libraries from different archs are supported, not binaries.
04:13.09rudi_s*wrongly
04:13.26rudi_sxxxwpn: Depends on your DE and how you've configured it.
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04:13.43rudi_sMost DE let you change file extension <-> program associations.
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04:38.13NetEchoIs it possible to have a script run at the end of boot-up right before the login prompt? specifically a beep script to signal that booting is done?
04:38.29NotJimCarreyi have a Gabotronics Xminilab that I'm trying to get to work in debian. It's shows up in lsusb as "16d0:06f9 MCS" but doesn't create a /dev device file as far as I can tell
04:39.02NotJimCarreyI have all the protocol specs, but have no idea where to start
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04:52.04NotJimCarreyok, it does create these 3 files in /dev
04:52.11NotJimCarrey`/dev/bus/usb/004/014|/dev/char/189:402|/dev/vboxusb/004/031
04:52.14bullgard6!sound
04:52.14dpkgAsk me about <alsa>, <alsa checklist>.  See also <default alsa>, <pulseaudio>.
04:52.57NotJimCarreyNetEcho: try the beep command
04:53.40orzo_is it possible to obtain mailing list archives in mbox format or some other format more suitable for bulk download than the MHonArc html spoo ?
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04:59.07rudi_sNetEcho: Sure. Adding the call to /etc/rc.local should work.
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05:50.22rryoumaawhat does this mean?  i am not running raid.  "Buffer I/O error on device dm-3, logical block 9"
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05:50.53rryoumaait does logical blocks 0 through 9
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05:57.04rryoumaahow do i find out what "device dm-3" means?
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06:11.35well_laid_lawnin what context ?
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06:17.02jrpalmerI installed a package from testing with dpkg without adding the testing repo. It overwrote the default package that came with stable and now I can't execute the program. How do I revert backwrds?
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06:21.04hurdorbsdmy fglrx driver shows only standard experience .. I want 3D what to do?
06:21.30peterrooneyjrpalmer: most likely start with dpkg -P ; ALSO: please, /msg dpkg frankendebian
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06:22.29[nazir]jrpalmer: maybe something like "apt-get --reinstall install PACKAGENAME"?
06:22.41mumpitze1hurdorbsd: you show us your Xorg log
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06:25.32jrpalmerpeterrooney: Sorry.
06:25.38jrpalmer[nazir]: I fixed it another way. Thank you though.
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06:31.48rryoumaaNOTE TO SELF: do NOT do this when you are trying to figure out what dm-3 means: "grep dm-3 /proc/*"
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06:34.29peterSrryoumaa: yeah, grepping /proc/kcore is usually not all that productive
06:34.42NotJimCarreyanyone know how to make a wacom tablet only bind to screen0? currently, only have the tablet works on the main screen
06:35.16rryoumaapeterS: it hung the system and put a blinking underscore in the corner (which imo is not very productive)
06:35.48mumpitze1rryoumaa: you use lvm. it's one of them
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06:35.51peterSrryoumaa: I guess you want 'dmsetup show dm-3' or similar
06:35.57rryoumaamumpitze1: i do not use lvm
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06:36.11rryoumaai do use cryptdisks, so i am guessing it is one of them
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06:36.57peterS'dmsetup info dm-3' I guess I meant
06:37.37hurdorbsdmumpitze1 how to do it ?? Xorg log
06:37.39rryoumaapeterS: thanks, says not exist, now that i have rebooted
06:38.15mumpitze1hurdorbsd: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log
06:38.25peterSrryoumaa: 'ls /dev/mapper' will show what dm objects, if any, exist.  'dmsetup ls' seems to be more or less equivalent.
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06:39.50hurdorbsdits says pastebin not found
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06:41.27NotJimCarreyhurdorbsd: pastebin.com
06:41.42mumpitze1!tell hurdorbsd about nopaste
06:41.45NotJimCarreycopy the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log to it
06:42.26mumpitze1!tell NotJimCarrey about pastebin.com
06:42.42hurdorbsdok wait
06:42.51NotJimCarreymumpitze1: i already know about pastebinm and pastebinit
06:42.53NotJimCarreylol
06:43.03NotJimCarreyjust always forget the bang commands
06:43.07mumpitze1you apparently don't know why pastebin.com is bad
06:43.17rryoumaais "ACPI Warning: Incorrect checksum in table [TCPA] - 0x00, should be 0x87 (20110623/tbutils-314)" anything to bother trying to fix?
06:43.52rryoumaapeterS: yeah i finally discovered that ls -l there will show the devices
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06:44.42mumpitze1rryoumaa: not something you can really fix. maybe look for an updated BIOS. it might fix it
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06:45.06peterSanyway, random ACPI errors reported by the kernel, I've always just ignored.  I have no idea if those things ever actually matter.
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06:45.32mumpitze1they can, especially in laptops
06:45.35Konomiis it possible to have a swap file too large?
06:45.56Konomiswapper/6: page allocation failure: order:2, mode:0x20 <- resultinbg in this perhaps
06:45.57mumpitze1no. it only wastes diskspace at most
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06:46.03rryoumaapeterS: mumpitze1 thanks, i will duly ignore, unless there is a reason to risk a bios upgrade
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06:46.28rryoumaathis is a desktop
06:46.42rryoumaamumpitze1: what problems does it cause?"
06:47.22mumpitze1things like using more power than it should, suspend problems. all that acpi controls
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06:47.35rryoumaaok, thanks
06:48.04mumpitze1acpi is a "standard" that was made explictly for windows and to run only there. and OEMs test only on windows and if it "works" there they ship. linux often has a hard time with it
06:48.22rryoumaasounds like i can maybe ignore it
06:48.36mumpitze1on a desktop always imho
06:48.48rryoumaagreat
06:48.55peterSyeah and as he said there's nothing much you could do about it in any case, other than try to flash a newer bios
06:49.39peterSand the risk/reward ratio on bios flashing almost never paints a very compelling picture
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06:50.11mumpitze1peterS: there are people thei acpi tables: e.g. https://01.org/linux-acpi/documentation/overriding-dsdt
06:50.15peterS"there's a small chance of bricking your whole motherboard, but if it succeeds!  Then ... you get a system pretty much indistinguishable from what you have now!"
06:50.18ShapeShifter499hi
06:50.32hurdorbsdI can't do it
06:50.39mumpitze1peterS: not as bleak as you paint it. you might get a properly working hardware for a change :)
06:50.50mumpitze1hurdorbsd: why not?
06:50.51hurdorbsdIs there any other way to make a copy of it ?
06:51.04mumpitze1hurdorbsd: dpkg messaged you a factoid. follow it
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06:51.27hurdos1Hi
06:51.30ShapeShifter499does anyone know how I get wifi working in initramfs?   I need it working at that point so I may decrypt my server remotely via ssh when I need to reboot the system and I'm not near it to enter my passphrase
06:51.34hurdorbsdit wants me to download 18 MB of data
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06:52.16mumpitze1hurdorbsd: then use a webbrowser and go to paste.debian.net to paste the file
06:53.00hurdorbsdok
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06:53.50jephbhi guys,i am new in debian,i  have been using ubuntu and when i installed debian in one computer it started with unity as default desktop,when i installed it in my laptop, it started with gnome classic,can anyone tell how to install unity in debian so that i can installe in my laptop?
06:54.00hurdorbsdI added SID as a repo so it is updating other stuff .. I need to remove it first
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06:54.31hurdosDoes nginx have downtime during upgrade on a new version via packages?
06:54.39mumpitze1jephb: what videocard is in your notebook? please pastebin your Xorg.0.log
06:55.01mumpitze1hurdorbsd: adding sid was a bad idea
06:55.07hurdorbsdya
06:55.10mumpitze1hurdorbsd: remove it and all the packages you installed from sid
06:55.20hurdorbsdIt messed up my system I guess
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06:55.41hurdorbsdactually I wanted other DEs for testing the best for me .. n had to install it for one of DE
06:57.21jephbmumpitze1:do you want me to paste the entire content of   Xorg.0.log?
06:57.28hurdorbsdmumpitze1 I think Gnome3 without 3d graphics (working) make your system slow or something .. I could do more things in Windows with same system ..
06:57.32mumpitze1!tell jephb about paste
06:58.32NetEchoimproper Xorg configs will do that
06:58.39hurdorbsdya
06:59.03NetEchowhat graphics card? sorry I missed part of this
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06:59.25hurdorbsdAMD C-60 APU
06:59.36NetEchoah
06:59.53ShapeShifter499hmm weird, typing certain characters (asd etc...)   are yielding weird outputs over ssh
07:00.18hurdorbsdomg SID is removing everything
07:00.40ShapeShifter499typing "exit" over my ssh connection becomes the following "lance@AcerOne-debian:~$ exᐃ
07:00.41ShapeShifter499"
07:00.55NetEchoprobably a good idea to start from scratch at this point hurdorbsd
07:00.59ShapeShifter499any ideas guys?
07:01.22ShapeShifter499hmm
07:01.36NetEchoShapeShifter499 probably the client character set
07:01.43ShapeShifter499closing the terminal window and starting over with a fresh ssh fixed it
07:01.53ShapeShifter499*ssh connection
07:01.55NetEchoyep the client changed charsets on you
07:02.04ShapeShifter499NetEcho, this is my own machine!
07:02.11ShapeShifter499has it been hacked?
07:02.13NetEchothe ssh client
07:02.15NetEchoit happens
07:02.21ShapeShifter499hmm
07:02.24ShapeShifter499NetEcho, but why?
07:02.25NetEchowindows ssh client?
07:02.32ShapeShifter499two debian systems
07:02.35NetEchoah
07:02.39NetEchorandom fluke probably
07:02.50hurdorbsdSID is removing everything
07:02.50NetEchoI get similar issues at work
07:02.54hurdorbsdeven the kernel
07:03.11ShapeShifter499=S
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07:03.16ManOfStllAnyone play Black ops?
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07:03.30NetEchoOff to bed now
07:03.33ShapeShifter499NetEcho, gave me a little panic
07:03.35ShapeShifter499xD
07:03.52mumpitze1hurdorbsd: you can only "downgrade" or removing sid packages via dpkg
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07:04.55hurdorbsdI jus did what dpkg said .. n I forgot that I still have SID repo in sources n now it is doing whatnot
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07:07.47hurdorbsdnopaste is still not working
07:07.49hurdorbsdwow
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07:09.41mumpitze1does a browser work? just use one
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07:10.01jephbi can view the content of Xorg.0.log but it is very big
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07:10.14grimeton$someoutput | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us
07:10.18jephbcan i paste the entire content
07:10.19jephb?
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07:11.30mumpitze1jephb: read the factoid dpkg messaged you
07:11.43jephbthankx i read it
07:12.08mumpitze1then this should have answered the question you just asked.
07:12.25mumpitze1and yes you can and must paste it all, just not in this channel
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07:14.17pupilhello, good afternoon
07:15.05jephbthis is the link where my Xorg.0.log is : http://wikisend.com/download/427632/Xorg.0.log
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07:15.38mumpitze1jephb: and you couldn't use a pastebin?
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07:19.48jephbpastebin link :http://pastebin.com/MbCXmvWJ
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07:20.40mumpitze1jephb: which videocard is it?
07:21.33monasmorning, themill, I managed to start notes in schroot, but when I want to open an attachment I can't do that automatically. Where is that discussion about :all satisfying dependences going on? I want to voice my +1 (or whatever I have :)
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07:23.56jephbvideocardinfos : http://pastebin.com/d7RzyDp2
07:25.20mumpitze1jephb: install the non-free firmware for your card
07:26.22jephbnon-free firmware means i need to buy it?
07:26.51mumpitze1no
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07:27.31mumpitze1!tell jephb about firmware
07:27.56mumpitze1you need to add non-free sources to your sources.list and then install it with apt-get. after a reboot your kernel should load it and X should work
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07:39.23jephbthnx for the help,i read about firmware but i still don't understand how install them?sorry to ask many question
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07:40.37mumpitze1!non-free
07:40.38dpkg[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>.  To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>.  To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>.  For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
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07:41.03mumpitze1!tell jephb about non-free sources
07:41.23mumpitze1and then you will need the package firmware-linux-nonfree
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07:46.58woshtyIs there an useful alternative to parted? Something able to handle gpt.
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07:48.09mumpitze1gparted?
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07:49.33woshtymumpitze1: Isn't that using the same backend libs?
07:49.46dast1986wosthy: ldd gparted
07:51.07mumpitze1woshty: are you saying gparted can't handle gtp?
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07:54.05woshtymumpitze1: It can, but it then will have the same strange restrictions parted has, like not being able to have gaps between primary partitions ..
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08:07.24dast1986I have a job interview this afternoon. Been a while since I wore a tie :-P Still getting used to it
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08:15.51luichihello how can i see web browsers ordered by size using aptitude command?
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08:21.55luichihow can i see web browsers sorted by size using aptitude command?
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08:28.00muscaluichi:  aptitude search '~Pwww-browser' -F '%I %p' --sort 'Installsize'
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08:31.02luichimusca: thanks
08:31.04muscaluichi:  i was surprised to see an Installsize of 180 MB for google-chrome
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08:31.53grimetonsurprise surprise
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08:33.11Randolph_CarterI can't figure out how to add serbian language support on Debian Squeeze. Is there anybody here who knows how to go about doing this? I just want to be able to change the keyboard layout.
08:33.28grimetonRandolph_Carter: dpkg-reconfigure locales
08:33.36grimetonthat should give you serbian error messages
08:34.14grimetonand the keyboard can be reconfigured by dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
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08:34.40grimetonRandolph_Carter: for stuff like firefox you have to install additional packages containing the locales for your language
08:34.57ChrisHmusca: me too... but did you check the dependencies and their size
08:35.17grimetonRandolph_Carter: apt-cache search iceweasel | grep l10n
08:35.31Randolph_Cartersearching...
08:36.20Randolph_Carter"debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable"
08:36.32grimetonRandolph_Carter: running dpkg in another terminal? not root?
08:36.44Randolph_Carterohh... sorry. I'm new to this
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08:37.34muscaChrisH: right, google's package contains all in one package.  One needs to sum up all dependencies to see clear.
08:37.37Randolph_Cartersame message still as root
08:37.51grimetonRandolph_Carter: then you're running dpkg in another window
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08:38.18grimetonor it has been locked and the system crashed
08:38.23Randolph_CarterIs there a way to terminate it? I've only got the one terminal opened..
08:38.35grimetonRandolph_Carter: check for it: ps auxw | grep -i dpkg
08:39.11Randolph_CarterShould I post the result?
08:39.20Randolph_CarterI don't know what I'm looking for
08:39.40grimetonRandolph_Carter: pastebin the result of this command: fuser -v /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
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08:40.59Randolph_Carterhttp://pastebin.com/nUM6q7q7
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08:41.23Randolph_Carterahh, sorry
08:41.25Randolph_Carterhold on
08:41.53Randolph_Carterhttp://pastebin.com/PwcRADEP
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08:42.14grimetonRandolph_Carter: you're running dpkg-reconfigure as i told you and you are also trying to install something -> won't work
08:42.47Randolph_CarterIs there a way to close dpkg-reconfigure though?
08:43.42grimetonkill the process
08:43.47grimetonthe pid is 3330
08:43.48grimetonkill 3330
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08:45.35Randolph_Carterfor the keyboard-config command, I am presented with a list of keyboard model, but none of them indicate that they are Serbian
08:45.51grimetonRandolph_Carter: select a model and then you get presented with the language
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08:46.05grimetonRandolph_Carter: when giving  you tips we're not trying to fool you
08:48.16Randolph_CarterBy default the combination Control+Alt+Backspace does nothing.  If you want it can be used  │
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08:48.22Randolph_CarterIs this something that I'd want?
08:48.27grimetonRandolph_Carter: no
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08:50.07Randolph_CarterAlright, I just checked the keyboard preferences window, under system pref., and there is still no option to add a language. Should I need to update the system or reboot or something?
08:50.23grimetonRandolph_Carter: did you run the command till the end?
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08:50.49Randolph_CarterI believe so. It was in the little GUI-type terminal window, right?
08:50.57grimetonyes
08:51.09grimetonthe command should issue a loadkeys command that loads the right language
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08:51.22grimetonit should be effective immediatly
08:51.29Randolph_CarterSelecting "no" was the last step to the command, I think. After selecting it, a was taken back to the terminal to enter whetever other command
08:51.47Randolph_Carterhmm. I saw no loadkey command
08:51.59grimetonno, that's what happens in the background
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08:52.06Randolph_Carterah
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08:53.12grimetonok, gotta work, l8r
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08:53.43Randolph_CarterAlright, thanks
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09:06.53JckfI just noticed this in one of my servers' dmesg output. Could someone tell me what's going on? http://pastie.org/pastes/8497639/text
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09:08.08paul_hi
09:08.18paul_how can i install icinga-web _without_ apache2?
09:08.37paul_i've tried apt-get install icinga-web --no-install-recommends
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09:08.49ChrisHJckf: there are some lines missing abot the cut here which might be important... this can be anything from harmless to failing HW
09:08.54paul_but it still wants to install   apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils apache2.2-bin apache2.2-commo
09:09.04JckfChrisH: I just found this https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/net/ipv4/tcp_input.c?id=031afe4990a7c9dbff41a3a742c44d3e740ea0a1
09:09.21JckfChrisH: There is nothing related above the cut lines in dmesg, as the timestamp are then several hours apart
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09:12.12paul_aww got it
09:12.19paul_need to install php5-fpm first
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09:27.58Nebukadnezain the full-upgrade from testing (~3 months old) to current testing i have a bad bad problem with samba not beeing installable due to ... well, i don't quite understand yet why ;(. would anyone happen to have a pointer for me on what i could try to do to resolve this: http://nopaste.ghostdub.de/?883 ...?
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09:34.55fishcookeri have 1GB memory ... this is my #free -m result here http://paste.debian.net/66951/ ... is my all memory are almost used ?
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09:35.45Nebukadnezawell, ~400mb is used in buffers
09:36.14Nebukadnezathat means that the linux kernel thinks that files you recently opened are likely to be used again, and it keeps it in its spare, free ram until something else really needs that ram
09:36.31Nebukadnezaso the free ram isn't wasted, but can contribute
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09:38.19abcd593Hi, how can I configure squid so that it: 1) will work only with FTP and block all other protocols 2) download only .gpg files that can be verified with certain key and block all the rest 3) if user chooses to upload a file - it will upload it signed version? Is it possible at all? Thank you in advance.
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09:40.38jellyabcd593: that sounds rather specific, try using "/msg alis list *squid* " to find a channel for squid itself
09:40.50Nebukadnezaoh
09:40.57Nebukadnezai simply have to install lsb-base manually oO
09:42.54jellyfishcooker: line 4 is what's relevant
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09:44.07h0nkmorning, when I try to display Changelogs in aptitude ('C') for security updates I most often get 404's. Is that expected?
09:44.22grimetonomg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8gmARGvPlI
09:45.13h0nkgrimeton: http://i.imgur.com/QRQMP73.jpg, OT as well
09:45.45grimetonh0nk: we had the first snow last night
09:47.01grimetondamn, winamp will be offline starting from december 20
09:47.04fishcookerthanks for sharing the info Nebukadneza
09:47.25Nebukadnezayou have the same problem, atm?
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10:00.33fishcookerthanks jelly for pointing it out for me
10:01.55jellyhttp://www.linuxatemyram.com/ an attempt at explanation
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10:05.02Chousukeif you're not trying to aggressively conserve power by turning off memory modules when not needed, having free RAM is actually not a good thing :P
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10:06.18bhuddahnot again that ram discussion... -.-
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10:09.24Chousukethere's not much left to discuss :P
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10:09.56Nebukadnezamhmm
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10:10.38Nebukadnezawhat do i do here: libpostproc52:amd64 6:0.git20120821-4 (Multi-Arch: no) is not co-installable with libpostproc52 which has multiple installed instances? ;/
10:10.45afsaladds in youtube.com not shown in iceweasel
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10:12.19afsalwhats the problem???
10:13.15zactsafsal: you can turn off add-block if you want
10:13.22zactsbut why would you want to do that?
10:13.39afsalwhere is that
10:16.19afsalhere the error instead of ads http://paste.debian.net/66963/
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10:18.04ChousukeNebukadneza: looks like you need to choose whether you want the 32-bit or 62-bit version :/
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10:22.49h0nkmorning, when I try to display Changelogs in aptitude ('C') for security updates I most often get 404's. Is that expected?
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10:26.14ChousukeI think it should conflict normally, but maybe there's some weirdness that prevents that from happening.
10:27.01Nebukadnezaah, i had both :amd64 and :i386 installed, and the new package now forbids that
10:27.06Nebukadnezait upgrades fine after purging :i386 manually
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10:29.35Sendoushihey guys. anyone knows how to install greybird and albatros themes on debian?
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10:33.33Sendoushimy debian redraw is really slow. i move a window and... slow. i scroll... slow. ideas on how to solve this?
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10:34.57Sh1G3rUhow much ram do you have?
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10:35.42Sh1G3rUbecause you either have 256 mb of ram total or have everything possible runung
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10:36.04Sh1G3rUinstall htop sudo apt-get install htop and see whats happening
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10:38.21SendoushiSh1G3rU,  have a lot :p
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10:38.30Sendoushii don't know how much but this computer is a beast
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10:39.13Sendoushii guess i have to configure something or reinstall something
10:39.23Sh1G3rUSendoushi,  them something is eating all you proccessor resources
10:39.27Sh1G3rUthen*
10:39.36Sendoushiso you can have an idea, i was running ubuntu with movies on the right and virtualbox fullscreen with windows and photoshop
10:39.47Sendoushiand both monitors are HD
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10:40.58Sh1G3rUdoes it always do that or is it just now??
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10:42.12SendoushiSh1G3rU, only after format and install of debian
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10:44.03brontosaurusrexSendoushi, graphics drivers?
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10:44.27Sendoushibrontosaurusrex, had to install them otherwise i wouldn't have two monitors working
10:46.00Sh1G3rUno clue
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10:46.23Sh1G3rUSendoushi, can you paste a ps x in the pastebin??
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10:46.40Sendoushiok
10:46.42Sendoushia sec
10:47.07Sendoushihttp://pastebin.com/TjxBCv0g
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10:50.34Sh1G3rUSendoushi,  does you prob happend on every window or just google chrome??
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10:51.44SendoushiSh1G3rU, every window
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11:18.44ZIPYhi, is it possible to install packages from testing / experimental etc in wheezy?
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11:19.58ZIPYwith apt-get install -t testing for example
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11:21.37babilenZIPY: It is possible, but will break your system
11:21.48tty-1When I build latest stable for LXC, do I get the same stability as using the latest Debian package (which version is too low, I need a higher one)?
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11:22.45ZIPYbabilen: the problem is, i think for my netbook stable is the better choice but what if i need some software of testing?
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11:24.47babilenZIPY: Check if it has been backported or backport it yourself. Read <backports> <wheezy-backports> and <ssb> (/msg dpkg ssb) -- Which package is this about?
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11:25.35tty-1How can I get LXC >= 1.0.1 ?
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11:26.28ZIPYi dont know yet if i really need it, just want to make sure before i go for wheezy, im running jessie right now on my eee but the new gnome messed things up and its always a pain after dist-upgrade on that netbook
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11:28.09icerooti want to use ssh foo@bar with pub-key. i dont have an interactive shell so i can not accept the "do you want to add the host fingerprint" what other ways do i have to add the fingerprint (or better how to get it?)
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11:31.13icerootgrimeton: thank you very much, worked like a charm
11:32.10noskloZIPY: well, some packages already have backports. Others are really easy to backport. And there are those packages that are a pain to port.
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11:32.33noskloZIPY: so it all depends on which software from testing you want on stable
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11:38.02babilenZIPY: http://mozilla.debian.net should also be pointed out if you use iceweasel -- but it really depends on each package as nosklo mentioned. Some are already available, others are impossible to port.
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11:40.11exarkunHow do I switch from gnome-shell to metacity?  I ran "gconftool -s /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager -t string metacity" as directed on the gnome shell wiki page for reverting to metacity (but this install has always used gnome-shell) but it had no apparent effect.
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11:40.39ZIPYoh there it starts
11:40.50ZIPYis iceowl available for wheezy? :D
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11:41.23babilenexarkun: Are you sure that you are not looking for a gnome channel? Are you *sure* that what you want to do is possible?
11:41.45babilendpkg: tell ZIPY -about iceowl
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11:42.01babilenjudd: bug #706938
11:42.02juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/706938 in iceowl (open): «Keep iceowl out of jessie»; severity: grave; opened: 2013-05-06; last modified: 2013-05-06.
11:42.10exarkunbabilen: I want to know how to configure my Debian desktop to use a different window manager.  If that's a gnome question, okay.
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11:43.20babilenexarkun: Well, it is very much a gnome specific question as you want to use Gnome 3.4 with metacity rather than gnome-shell. I am not sure if that is possible (at all) -- I mean: are you looking for the fallback mode?
11:43.32exarkunThe instructions I found were on this fage fwiw, https://wiki.debian.org/GnomeShell
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11:43.59babilenexarkun: Which is why I suggest to ask in a more Gnome specific channel -- it would also help if you could share the link to that wiki you referenced earlier
11:43.59exarkunbabilen: I don't know what "the fallback mode" is.
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11:44.34babilenexarkun: The "fallback mode" is a gnome session for Gnome 3 that looks a bit like Gnome 2. What do you want to achieve eventually?
11:44.42dracarys.....
11:44.54dracarysgnome's fallback mode defaults to gnome3, just a different shell
11:45.02dracarysit's been that way since at least gnome 3.1
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11:45.24dracarysthis isn't really a question that has to do with the low level debian specific parts of the distro
11:45.50dracarysit's been at least two years since metacity was used anywhere in gnome3
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11:46.09babilenexarkun: It's the first time I see that Debian wiki entry and it hasn't been updated in a while. I am not convinced that it is (still?) possible and I would recommend to confirm that with Gnome people.
11:46.13exarkunbabilen: I'm tired of how unpleasant I find gnome-shell to use and want to try something different.
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11:46.31exarkunbabilen: If I understand the "fallback mode" thing correctly, I've tried that before and didn't really enjoy it either.
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11:46.43exarkunbabilen: Okay.  Thank you.
11:46.48babilenexarkun: metacity has been obsoleted .. my impression is that the wiki has been written back in the day when gnome-shell was *very* new and that that information does no longer apply to recent versions
11:47.01dracarysif you want the gnome2 shell within gnome3 I suggest you try Linux Mint's shell
11:47.08dracaryscinemon or something
11:47.19dracarysI'm not sure if it's even in Debian's depository though
11:47.26babilendracarys: it is, just not in wheezy
11:47.30babilenjudd: v cinnamon
11:47.31juddPackage: cinnamon on i386 -- sid: 1.7.4-2.2+b1
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11:47.58dracarysbabilen: well, then he should switch to sid or get Mint, if he wants to go the *easy* route
11:48.08exarkunmetacity is packaged in stable though.  is that just a mistake?
11:48.13babilenexarkun: Well, there are various other desktop environments and window managers in Debian and you might want to take a look at XFCE4, KDE and LXDE or fluxbox, openbox, awesome, xmonad ...
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11:48.29rjsaltsfvwm2
11:48.31exarkunAnd it even runs.  I tried it last night, "metacity --replace" works fine.  I just don't know how to make it persistent.
11:48.31dracarysI'm pretty sure gnome2 is still in the repository
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11:48.56dracarysexarkun: as we've said, this isn't really a debian question
11:48.59babilendracarys: Not in wheezy
11:49.04exarkundracarys: Sure, sorry.
11:49.07dracarysgnome is it's own box of black magic
11:49.24dracaryswhich in turn plugs into debian's box of black magic
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11:50.07exarkunSo, put another way, Debian no longer makes a choice about the window manager that's being used.
11:50.18babilenWell, everything is black magic in that case. Either way, I still think that this is better suited for a gnome specific channel rather than #debian.
11:50.29exarkunDebian gets to make the choice to use ... "gnome 3" (whatever that is) and "gnome 3" (whatever that is) makes choices about things like window managers?
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11:50.55babilenexarkun: metacity was never really a full window manager in itself. It was the window manager used by Gnome and that's it.
11:51.21babilenexarkun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metacity
11:51.24dracaryshe's confusing the Gnome2 shell, now called Mate, with Metacity
11:51.41exarkunOkay.  But would it make any difference if I asked how to switch to fvwm2 or awesome?
11:51.42dracaryshe wants the gnome2 shell, which unfortunately is not available anymore unless you know exactly what you are doing
11:51.53trewasexarkun: gnome-shell is built around the window-manager (mutter) so it is impossible to change, the fallback mode uses gnome2-style metacity&gnome-panel combination (in current stable at least)
11:52.09rjsaltssugar depends on metacity
11:52.30babilendracarys: The Gnome2 shell is not called MATE. MATE is a fork of the Gnome 2 codebase (with a lot of the warts of Gnome 2) that has been renamed with s/Gnome/MATE/ ..
11:52.33exarkuntrewas: Thanks.
11:52.35dracarysexarkun: I would say RTFM on how to switch, because if you want to switch to another window environment you really should know what you are doing
11:52.39dracarysbabilen: yes, that
11:52.57exarkunThanks for the input everyone.  I appreciate it.
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11:53.09babilenexarkun: You would then choose a different window manager in the login menu (look at "Sessions")
11:53.34flufmnstrmy debian box just locked up. the ssh tunnle collapsed, and the monitor isnt coming up when i move the mouse or hit the keyboard. this is the last thing byobu and top sent to the tunnle before it dropped http://pastebin.com/qn0jKR9B
11:53.34dracarys*sigh*
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11:53.44dracarysthe guy had no clue as to what he was doing
11:54.32babilendracarys: And left a bit prematurely. Sadly exarkun never really answered the initial question what (s)he wants to achieve eventually.
11:54.41babilenEither way .. /me moves on
11:54.47flufmnstrim not hip on debugging, is there a log file i can check for clues?
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12:15.21nopcallI have a old IDE HDD. Should i format it to ext4 or ext3 to install Debian?
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12:17.22alteregoahow to determine what HDD is connected to controller?
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12:22.24ChrisHalteregoa: lshw -short
12:22.47nabblethi, anyone experienced trouble with eclipes in wheezy?  when i want to isntall pydev it does not show up after intstall
12:22.56nabbletpydev = python plugin for eclipse
12:23.22alteregoaand the controller means 0.05?
12:24.29colo-workwhat are my options when I intend to use a handful of Debian Wheezy machines with no shared storage to set up a HA cluster for (xen, qemu or lxc) virtual machines?
12:24.38ChrisHalteregoa: as root: lshw -short -C disk
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12:25.05ChrisHalteregoa: dunnow what 0.05 means at your output. If unsure paste all to paste.debian.net
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12:26.12alteregoathank you very much
12:26.30alteregoai determined the hdd controller above
12:26.40alteregoaso its addressed as 1c
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12:30.26marc_smithhi guys. Is there any place I can find archive versions of debian testings iso images? let's say - from before november, etc
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12:36.20mumpitze1marc_smith: what do you need them for?
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12:41.41marc_smithwell, I deleted content of my boot partition and the OS was installed around the other month. It's testing branch, so old packages are not accessible. Besides, they fail to reinstall
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12:44.20mumpitze1old isos don't exist, old packages you can egt via snapshots.debian.net  but tell us what the actual error is when booting
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12:50.42tomboy65KBme: kivutar said you had a fix for the cross-compilation issue with eglibc
12:50.49KBmeyeah
12:50.54KBmeit's up on github
12:50.57tomboy65may i have that?
12:50.59tomboy65oh
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13:23.20abrotmanicesword: please don't do that
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13:25.12iceswordhello goldendict suddenly doesn't work for me, i ve reinstall it many times, no luck, i mean when i click it, it starts, i see it in the tray, but when i click it, it wont start , whats up
13:25.19byte-smasherattempting to p2v a debian machine with virtualbox... converted an img backup to vdi with VboxManage... but virtualbox gives "Mounting local filesystems... mount: unkonwn filesystem type 'ext' failed" when attempting to boot... filesystem type of the original disk is ext3... any idea what's I need to do to get this to work?
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13:26.12byte-smasher*what
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13:27.53babilenbyte-smasher: I'd ask in #vbox
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13:28.20byte-smasherI did ... waiting for respinse.... figured I'd cover all my bases in the meantime :)
13:29.36iceswordhello any ideas about my question
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13:32.12RickWeaverhi guys
13:32.38RickWeavercan someone tell me if there is any configuration file where I can set the default applications on a debian based system?
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13:42.10madmac2501hi, what is the difference between a debian-installer cdroom and netboot?
13:42.14madmac2501cdrom*
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13:42.44zykotick9madmac2501: the number of packages included on the media - only difference
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13:43.03madmac2501I am trying to do a self contained installer with live-build, but that detects network from vmware studio
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13:44.06abrotmanmadmac2501: netboot or netinst?
13:44.41madmac2501abrotman, that was my next question :)
13:44.57madmac2501what is the difference between one and another?
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13:48.37iateadonuti just added a swap partition on /dev/sda3, but ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid|grep sda3 returns nothing
13:48.42madmac2501what is the difference between netboot and netinst?
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13:49.00zykotick9abrotman: oooohhh, my bad.  boot vs inst is important distinction ;)
13:49.03iateadonuti deleted the old one because i was increasing the size of my root partition and home partition; the old one was "extended"; this one is "primary"
13:49.32roziemadmac2501: you know difference between boot and installation?
13:49.33oskiewhat makes linux (Debian) try the second nameserver in resolv.conf? Because the first was down (no ping answer, no DNS replies, nothing), and DNS lookups kept failing.
13:49.43jellyiateadonut: a reboot is required for the linux kernel to become aware of any partition table changes on a disk that's currently in use
13:49.51madmac2501rozie, yes
13:50.24madmac2501rozie, but i don't know between cdrom, netboot and netinst...
13:50.34abrotmanmadmac2501: netboot boots over the network, netinst is an ISO
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13:50.56iateadonutjelly, thanks.  i had already rebooted
13:51.55jellyiateadonut: alright.  Does /dev/sda3 exist?
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13:53.26iateadonutyes
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13:56.54abrotmanmadmac2501: you likely either want the netinst or CD1
13:58.00jellyiateadonut: when did you mkswap /dev/sda3, before or after reboot?
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14:01.30eb0they guys how can i find out what version of pidgin i have installed on my debian
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14:02.09ikanoboriPidgin has an about button.
14:02.25eb0tthanks ikanobori
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14:05.47pengunixSo a package maintainer surely does more than simply check out the latest stable and build it (using checkinstall?), right?
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14:06.05pengunixDoes (s)he also apply patches by his own? Or are only patches applied by the source repository?
14:06.09zykotick9eb0t: an alternative method, would be "apt-cache policy pidgin" in a terminal
14:06.31jellydpkg, tell pengunix about nmg
14:06.39zykotick9pengunix: they certainly DON'T use checkinstall for one ;)
14:07.11pengunixzykotick9: but this would be the easiest way, wouldn't it? :)
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14:07.22pengunixzykotick9: when make is used
14:07.28zykotick9pengunix: checkinstall is only for LOCAL use, NOT distribution
14:08.27roziepengunix: you have source, all patches and build instruction distributed by Debian, you can roll a package on your own
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14:10.09pengunixrozie: ah, the dependencies have to be met
14:10.15pengunixrozie: checkinstall doesn't do this, right?
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14:12.38jellypengunix: really, go read the new maintainer's guide first, then come back asking questions
14:12.45madmac2501abrotman, is it possible to have a self contained netboot?
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14:13.07madmac2501or that is a netinst?
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14:13.39abrotmanmadmac2501: do you understand what a netboot is ?
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14:14.02s1ckHi! Is there any way i can "test" install the proprietary amd fglrx and make some kind of dual-boot where I can choose radeon or fglrx?
14:14.17madmac2501abrotman, well, better point me to the documentation
14:14.27abrotmandpkg: tell madmac2501 about ig
14:14.31abrotmandpkg: tell madmac2501 about netboot
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14:15.04madmac2501abrotman, thank you!
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14:15.52abrotmanI can't imagine netboot is what you really want
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14:18.33bezabanwhat is a good package to remove if I want to get rid of X?
14:19.06bezabanserver meta package perhaps
14:19.10bezabanxserver*
14:19.31abrotmanthe metpackage is xorg
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14:19.40bezabangreat. thanks
14:20.04abrotmanremoving x11-common would probably go a long way
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14:20.51jelly!remove x
14:20.51dpkgit has been said that remove x is "aptitude remove x11-common" will remove X.  Use "purge" instead of remove if you also want to remove X's configuration.
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14:21.18jellydpkg, factinfo remove x
14:21.18dpkgremove x -- last modified at Fri Mar 28 16:22:06 2008 by stew!i=1413@unaffiliated/stew; it has been requested 96 times, last by jelly, 27s ago.
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14:21.34bezabanthanks again x3
14:21.55bezabanservers installed with X. Hurrah.
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14:22.28bezabandon't think they're like that in prod, but meh
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14:33.16shinyPebbleis this the right channel for any questions about jessie?
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14:34.18shinyPebbleoh wait no, #debian-next is what i want
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14:35.32babilenshinyPebble: note that #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net not here on freenode
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14:47.09iateadonutjelly, i never mkswap /dev/sda3 - i used gparted
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14:50.10jellyiateadonut: okay then, what does "blkid /dev/sda3" say and does it see TYPE="swap"?
14:50.19jellyor file -s /dev/sda3
14:50.51iateadonut/dev/sda3: TYPE="swap"
14:51.00cinevarietyʇǝsʇ get disappeared.
14:51.09iateadonutscrew it - i'll just use /dev/sda3 instead of the UUID in my fstab
14:51.56zykotick9iateadonut: fyi, it's possible to apply LABELS to swap partitions...
14:51.58jellyiateadonut: that's the whole output?
14:52.10iateadonutthat's the whole output
14:52.24jellyiateadonut: I'd do a manual mkswap again.
14:53.03jellyyou can alos specify a LABEL with manual mkswap
14:53.15iateadonutsda3 now shows up
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14:54.10iateadonutok.
14:54.12iateadonutdid swapon
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14:54.17iateadonutshowing up in 'free' now
14:54.32iateadonutupdated the /etc/fstab to the new uuid - good to go on next reboot, i would think
14:55.43jellyfile a bug report on gparted, if you care
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14:59.11iateadonutjelly, it was an old version of puppy i used to move the partitions around - i imagine that bug has already been reported.
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15:04.08sloothHello. I'm using Jessie. I did upgrade yesterday and it broke my steam installation:  steam: ../../../../../src/mesa/main/context.c:1501: _mesa_make_current: Assertion `newCtx->Version > 0' failed. Ideas? I reinstalled couple of mesa packages, but that didn't work
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15:06.22skoefhi, i'm looking for the specific linux-image package for version 3.2.0-4 (the current version in debian-installer for wheezy)
15:06.40skoefi want to slipstream some modules in the initrd for pxe-booting
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15:07.10skoefi counldn't find it on packages.debian.org
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15:07.56lmatTo install debian, I need to download the 9 cds or 3 DVDs first, right ?
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15:08.29zykotick9lmat: NO.  i'd suggest just downloading the netinst image (assuming you have ethernet during install)
15:08.45zykotick9lmat: the cd/dvd sets are for computers without network connection
15:09.03lmatzykotick9: That's what I wanted to know :)
15:09.07zykotick9lmat: BUT cd1 or dvd1 will do!
15:09.45skoefhmm, googling 'linux-image 3.2.0-4' gives me the exact package in the first some hits
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15:10.07skoefsearching for 'linux-image' in packages.debian.org won't give those results though
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15:12.12lmatzykotick9: Also good to know :)
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15:13.12ctmjrhttp://packages.debian.org/wheezy/linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64
15:13.55ctmjrif you want the amd64 image
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15:21.58toni__Hi! I have a VM with underlying NFS storage (not my design, and remote, too), which has frequent problems. Moving it is currently impossible, and it must be up. What can I do to prevent FS corruption in these cases, please?
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15:40.18wald0how i can use the debian::tags for package search ?
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15:57.03localWhere and how can I search for a recent samba4 version as a Debian package? In Wheezy repository there is only samba4.0 available. Which version has testing or unstable?
15:57.37localStable(Wheezy) has 4.0.0~alpha17~
15:57.54zykotick9,v samba
15:57.55juddPackage: samba on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze9; squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze10; squeeze-backports: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 2:3.6.19-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:4.0.11+dfsg-1; sid: 2:4.0.11+dfsg-1
15:57.57localhow can I check on the shell prompt which version "testing" and "unstable" has? Is there any apt command or similar?
15:58.19localjudd: nice, but I would like to check for samba4
15:58.32localjudd: what is the command for that to do on Debian shell prompt?
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15:58.52zykotick9local: that is samba4 (mainly) look again.  "judd" is a (ro)Bot.
15:59.10local,v samba4
15:59.11juddPackage: samba4 on i386 -- wheezy: 4.0.0~beta2+dfsg1-3.2
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15:59.46localzykotick9: is there any command whcih I can use on a Debian machine, to check the Debian repos for a package?
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16:00.30zykotick9local: i'm not sure if apt-file can search in all the repos or not?  maybe?
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16:01.53zykotick9!tell local about apt-file
16:02.48zykotick9local: humm, i'm not sure that's helpful... sorry.  personally, i'd just check packages.debian.org
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16:06.54anonnumberanonIn my Debian install I set up network time or maybe it was hardware time, when I had to set the clock. Now my clock is always an hour ahead. I have tried to change it multiple times and it always comes back to the wrong time. How screwed am I?
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16:07.10jhutchins_wkzykotick9: I believe it gets repo configuration from the sources.list/sources.d
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16:07.52zykotick9jhutchins_wk: ya, that makes sense.  are you aware of anyway to search testing/sid from stable?  i'm not... obviously ;)
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16:09.01anonnumberanonokay I'll look into that
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16:10.19jhutchins_wkzykotick9: I think the website is the usual recommendation.  Or judd.
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16:10.53zykotick9jhutchins_wk: ya, i showed them the judd output, then suggested packages.debian.org ;)
16:11.28jhutchins_wkLoRez: I believe 2:4 indicates samba4, as the others are 2:3 and are samba3.
16:11.38jhutchins_wk,versions samba4
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16:11.39juddPackage: samba4 on i386 -- wheezy: 4.0.0~beta2+dfsg1-3.2
16:11.47jhutchins_wkOn the other hand...
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16:12.15jhutchins_wk,versions samba3
16:12.16juddNo package named 'samba3' was found in i386.
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16:12.35zykotick9jhutchins_wk: try ",v samba" ;)
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16:14.36zykotick9jhutchins_wk: ya.  it's "samba" vs "samba4" or "samba3" i'm trying to point out.
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16:32.05localanyone can explain to me which which command(/package) I can check the available packages+versionnumber on the various repositories of Debian? For example I want to display all the packages+versionnumber of BIND9 which are available on stable,testing,unstable,experimental. How can I do that on shell prompt??
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16:33.03mtnlocal: http://packages.debian.org using a terminal based web browser.
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16:34.05localmtn: some other way ?? I mean, when I have NO online connection at the host. Maybe I can download and cache the repo lists and use them for searching/browsing the packages? maybe with apt-file somehow?
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16:34.34mtnlocal: I don't believe there is any way to do what you want without an internet connection
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16:35.26mtnlocal: if you don't have a connection why does it matter what the repos have? you won't be able to download anything anyway.
16:35.36localmtn: that's not the point
16:35.48mtnlocal: is there a point?
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16:36.25localmtn: yes, my question was how I can !query! a kind of cached database locally
16:36.34zykotick9local: i'm not even sure why in information would be valuable?  mixing packages from different repos is a BAD idea.  so, who cares what's in testing/sid/experimental?
16:36.43zykotick9s/in/the
16:37.11localzykotick9: apt-pinning maybe?
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16:37.22localzykotick9: I care, else I wouldn't ask
16:37.43mtnlocal: ok, you care, but we don't see any reason you should care.
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16:37.51zykotick9local: binary mixing is a bad idea... see "/msg dpkg ssb" for proper backporting.
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16:39.21localmtn: why do you talk in plural? if you don't care, why did you reply on the initial question? If you don't know and cannot help, just ignore me. But stating that NOONE should care is a bad statement, because this is a public channel covering such questions about Debian.
16:39.41localzykotick9: You're right, but when a package is NOT available in the backports, you have to apt-pin
16:39.57mtnlocal: no, I asked you a simple question "is there a point?" and you haven't given us one. or me one, if you prefer.
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16:40.10zykotick9local: i take it, you didn't actually read <ssb>...  best of luck to you.
16:40.22mtnis done with this one
16:41.31localmtn: It's not part of the question WHY I would like to gather this information (querying a locally cached database) even when I would not be able to install from the net at the same time. The question was: IF and HOW I can do such a query and which package could/would help. THAT was the question
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16:42.59localzykotick9: well, you're wrong. I did! And I already was in that point, where the package was NOT available in the backports and I had to use apt-pinning. Luckily there were some guys in here, which greatly assisted me in that and helped me solve that problem. So I don't understand, why you are replying on such an offending way?
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16:48.26TwinkletoesI've given up trying to install trac - it just seems complicated, and apparently can only handle one project per instance.  Is there some other (more easily installable/configurable) isse tracking software anyone can recommend?
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16:50.27helois it safe to switch to systemd in wheezy?
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16:52.29Chousukeworked for me.
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16:52.51Chousukeit's easy to switch back though, so just try it out
16:53.01Chousukeit doesn't overwrite sysvinit
16:53.24Chousukeyou have to install systemd and configure grub with init=/bin/systemd
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16:56.06Chousukemy only problem with systemd is that it boots so fast that the boot process is not smooth and pretty :( goes against my perfectionist tendencies
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16:56.50mfp_hi all! my question is a bit of a long shot - i'm not sure where to ask. i have installed a lovely font called "Gillius ADF". now i picked it as the default font in iceweasel but it substitutes all the occurances of 'ss' with the german letter 'ß'. is this a font problem or maybe a setting in iceweasel? thanks in advance
16:56.53ChousukeI suppose if gdm integrated better with plymouth it could be made to look prettier
16:57.15Myrttilightdm is nice tho
16:57.28Chousukenever used it, really.
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16:57.48Chousukeand the most time booting is spent typing in the encryption password anyway
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16:58.58red-lichtieHi. When building gcc from source, is there a way to tell dpkg-buildpackage that I only want c & c++ to be built? My make died in libjava (after doing all sorts including fortran), none of which I require. And searching on Google for dpkg-buildpackage, source and gcc is a pointless execise, I've tried and list is huge and related to other programs using gcc, etc. :-)
16:59.41red-lichtieHere is what I entered: "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b -d"
16:59.46Chousukered-lichtie: I think you would have to look at the build scripts to see if there are environment variables you can set.
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17:00.35red-lichtieChousuke: I was looking all over the place, couldn't find anything. Not sure it is a rules thing that I should be looking for
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17:02.20KaneoHello guys, there is a HDMI port in my laptop, and I'd like to find out if it supports input or output, how can I find out?
17:02.39ChousukeI think it really depends on how the packaging has been implemented.
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17:03.19jordanmred-lichtie: debian/rules controls how the package is built
17:03.39jordanmbut if you are removing binary packages, you will also need to edit debian/control
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17:04.28red-lichtiejordanm: Do you where the rules are documented? It is a bit overwhelming the amount of stuff in there
17:05.07jordanmred-lichtie: it's a make file.. so the makefile documentation and the rest depends on the build system
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17:05.40jordanmred-lichtie: looks like gcc uses debhelper, so man dh and man dh_*
17:05.45jordanm!tell red-lichtie about nmg
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17:06.50jenJ33suppose that you are responsible of a server which has got more than 20000 users suddenly an organisation makes you a call and tell you that one of your users is now hacking our server and they give you a warning which if you won't stop him in 30 mins, we will attack your server (DDoS) and further more we will sue you as well. They  give you their server IP address in other to make it very quick. Now my question is how can you find thi
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17:09.18Chousukeyou got cut off?
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17:10.09peterrooneyjenJ33: their proposed response to your rogue user is most likely criminal.
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17:10.38Chousukealso, what kind of a scenario is that? you could just as well ignore people like that
17:10.52Chousukeor report them for threatening you
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17:12.02jenJ33thanks. any other idea?
17:12.29Chousukewell, of course you'd want to find the user doing the supposed "hacking"
17:12.37Chousukebut not because of the threat :P
17:12.41mumpitze1peterrooney: not just "Most likely". DDOS is criminal offense, period
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17:12.49mumpitze1jenJ33: man netstat
17:12.52peterrooneyjenJ33: (i) your full question was cut off, and (ii) your setup is not mentioned.
17:13.02ctmjrsounds like a home work assignment
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17:13.44zykotick9just want to point out jenJ33's question has been crossposted to multiple channels - i highly doubt this is debian-support related at all...
17:14.07jenJ33peterrooney: full version: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6454256/
17:14.30jenJ33mumpitze1: with netstat, what it's going to show me!?
17:15.15jenJ33I mean what's the whole scenario?
17:15.15peterrooney!cross post
17:15.16dpkgPosting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's.  Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved.  Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined.  See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
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17:16.16peterrooneyctmjr: I agree.  Notice the impersonal wording from someone who thinks a hammer is dropping on them in 29 minutes
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17:16.53pirulinuxexiste algun canal para debian en español
17:17.00peterrooneyjenJ33: give it up.  Learn how to ask questions politely and intelligently before bringing your homework here.
17:17.11mumpitze1!es
17:17.12dpkgEste canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian.  Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
17:17.24monstercoHi everyone - I have changed settings from DHCP to Static in /etc/network/interfaces but the system somehow changes it's IP every hour or so to get a DHCP address. What could I be doing wrong?
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17:17.56pirulinuxgracias dpkg
17:18.08monstercoalso, what is the "networking restart" alternative? I am seeing it's deprecated
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17:18.42jordanmmonsterco: ifup/ifdown
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17:19.35jordanmmonsterco: dhclient is probably still running. use dhclient -r or -x
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17:20.09monstercojordanm - can I permenently disable dhclient? so it doesn't turn on upon restart?
17:20.39jordanmmonsterco: if dhcp isn't configured in interfaces, it shouldn't on restart
17:20.59monstercois the /etc/network/interfaces <<< the only file I have to worry about if I have a very simply static IP scenario I want to set to the server?
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17:21.37monstercojordanm - the original settings had "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
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17:22.03monstercoI changed that to: "auto eth" and "iface eth0 inet static" and then the IP address...
17:22.11zykotick9monsterco: that "auto eth0" means, automatically bring eth0 on boot... just sayin'
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17:22.22monstercolike this: http://paste.debian.net/67037/
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17:22.46monstercozykotick9 - thanks, yeah thought so - that is not DHCP and it's just for interface
17:23.02mumpitze1either it's a dhclient/dhcpd still running or it's network-manager
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17:23.54monstercomumpitze1 - I did apt-get remove network-manager
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17:24.13monstercomumpitze1 - how can I verify that dhclient is never going to wake up again?
17:24.34mumpitze1normally it simply shouldn't
17:24.45mumpitze1if this is actual debian wheezy
17:25.07zykotick9monsterco: 1) is the 255.255.252.0 intended?  2) i have additionally lines for: network band broadcast in my interfaces.
17:25.25jelly-homemonsterco: if it's still running, you may safely kill that process
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17:26.52monstercoyes,that is the subnet
17:27.12monstercodo I must have the additional lines? I would like to keep it very simple
17:27.13zykotick9monsterco: ok, just checkin'
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17:27.56monstercozykotick9 - yeah I hate it when I near end of my /24 subnet so this allows for a lot of flexibility - it's virtual containers and I can have tons of them
17:28.10zykotick9monsterco: if i had to guess, i'd think broadcast is, and network isn't... but someone with more knowledge can confirm
17:28.12monstercoor use numbering system for different appliances - easier to look at
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17:28.43monstercoIsn't broadcast picked of the netmask?
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17:29.00monstercowhat is your exact line in broadcast?
17:29.14monstercowhat is equivalant of psaux in debian?
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17:29.24zykotick9monsterco: "ps aux"
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17:30.46monstercolol
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17:31.36monstercoI see this when I do ps aux for dh:  http://paste.debian.net/67040/
17:31.51monstercoI previously did dhclient -r and dhclient -x
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17:35.06zykotick9monsterco: just fyi, but on my system "ps aux | grep dh" just returns the grep, nothing else...
17:35.23monstercoI will kill these buggers
17:35.34monstercobut how can I ensure they don't return on reboot? chkconfig?
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17:37.19zykotick9monsterco: rcconf is a bit more "debian" then RH's chkconfig.
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17:41.11monstercozykotick9 - not found - but thanks I will look it up
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17:41.52zykotick9monsterco: sorry, ya it's not installed by default.  there are means to disable services built in... but off-hand i'm unfamiliar with there usage.
17:41.53jordanmzykotick9: what makes it more "debian"
17:42.10jordanmbecause it's more difficult to use and only handles sysvinit?
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17:42.49zykotick9jordanm: wasn't it created by debian? vs. RH who created chkconfig?  ya re: sysvinit - i have no idea...
17:42.49jordanmmonsterco: just install chkconifg
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17:53.37neo1691Hey guys I am trying to install the latest version of iceweasel from backports. but when I run the command apt-get install -t wheezy-backports iceweasel it says it is already installed to the latest version. Any help?
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17:54.52scotepiwith the new release style can I take a 7.1 netinstall cd and install 7.2 directly?
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17:55.44scotepior is it install 7.1 and then do a sys upgrade?
17:55.45dondelelcaroscotepi: if you have internet, that's actually what you'll end up with
17:56.07mumpitze1navugo: dpkg -l |grep iceweasel
17:56.19mumpitze1neo1691: ^
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17:57.15neo1691mumpitze1, ii  iceweasel                             10.0.12esr-1                       amd64        Web browser based on Firefox
17:57.35scotepiso it will directly install 7.2 with the 7.1 disk
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17:59.20jelly-homeyes
17:59.46Gregor2Can someone tell me how to compile Sorce code?
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18:01.10neo1691Gregor2, What are you trying to compile?
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18:01.20C00rec++ ?
18:02.03mumpitze1neo1691: which debian do you run?
18:02.17Gregor2http://www.mamedev.org/release.html
18:02.21Gregor2this
18:02.30Gregor2and im running debian wheezy!
18:02.42neo1691It should have a readme or install file?
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18:03.01Gregor2no
18:03.05Gregor2only for windows!1
18:03.06neo1691basic steps are ./configure -> make -> #make install
18:03.06mumpitze1neo1691: please answer
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18:03.24neo1691mumpitze1: already answered
18:03.29neo1691ii  iceweasel                             10.0.12esr-1                       amd64        Web browser based on Firefox
18:03.40neo1691This was the output ^^
18:03.43mumpitze1neo1691: no you did not. < mumpitze1> neo1691: which debian do you run?
18:03.57neo1691wheezy
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18:04.03mumpitze1you don't run wheezy.
18:04.12mumpitze1your iceweasel is from squeeze. uname -a
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18:04.27scotepiFor a P4 should I install 7 or 6 or 5?
18:04.46neo1691Linux Dynamic 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux
18:04.47mumpitze1scotepi: 7
18:04.56mumpitze1!tell neo1691 about bat
18:04.59mumpitze1show us your sources.list
18:05.06scotepiIts going to run LAMP (Apache/PHP) and Samba
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18:05.57jelly-home,v iceweasel
18:05.59juddPackage: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; jessie: 17.0.9esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy: 17.0.9esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 17.0.10esr-1~deb7u1; sid: 24.1.0esr-1; experimental: 25.0-1
18:06.09neo1691mumpitze1http://paste.debian.net/
18:06.19mumpitze1neo1691: that's not a valid pastebin entry.
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18:06.25mumpitze1it has some numbers at the end
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18:06.51neo1691mumpitze1, http://paste.debian.net/
18:06.55neo1691sorry
18:07.09mumpitze1it still has no numbers at the end. press "send"
18:07.22mumpitze1http://paste.debian.net/67047/ is a valid one
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18:08.14neo1691http://paste.debian.net/67048/
18:08.17neo1691there you go
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18:08.30neo1691I am sure I have installed wheezy
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18:09.09mumpitze1neo1691: but your sources.list is awful. and you have never instealled icewease in wheezy, which means your upgrade was not a proper one
18:09.16mumpitze1neo1691: apt-cache policy iceweasel
18:09.35mumpitze1!tell neo1691 about wheezy sources.list
18:09.49mumpitze1especially the updates one you should use. security updates are not optional
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18:10.21neo1691But I have never upgraded debian, I just installed a fresh new debian on my system
18:10.45Gregor2There is no configure folder
18:10.57Gregor2but there is a file called makefile!
18:11.04neo1691Gregor2, go to the folder and run ./configure
18:11.14mumpitze1not from the official wheezy installer. as you can see above, wheezy has iceweasel 17, and the only place you can get 10 is from squeeze-backports or when wheezy was testing
18:11.22Gregor2and extract it before?
18:11.27jelly-home,v xmame-x
18:11.28juddPackage: xmame-x on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.106-3.2; jessie/non-free: 0.146-5; sid/non-free: 0.146-5; wheezy/non-free: 0.146-5; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.151-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:0.151-dmo1
18:11.47jelly-homeGregor2: there's a build of an older version in the non-free repo.
18:11.48mumpitze1neo1691: there is a reason why local repos are a hassle, and when running testing, it's futile and defeats the point
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18:12.11Gregor2but i want the new one?
18:12.29Gregor2is it better to take the package?
18:12.38jelly-homeit's certainly easier
18:13.14ctmjrGregor2: why are you trying to compile a windows binary on linux think about it
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18:14.16Gregor2only wanna try!
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18:14.19neo1691mumpitze1, What exactly should I do now?
18:14.24jelly-homectmjr: presumably he's trying to compile the _source_
18:14.33Gregor2i want to know how to compile!
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18:14.59Gregor2Yes i want to compile the source!
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18:15.53phoxso if I have a package installed from Sid and want to forcibly reinstall the stable version, how do I make Apt do that?
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18:16.44jelly-homeGregor2: open source software often depends on other components.  You'll want to install the compiler and the headers needed to build mame, before doing the ./configure && make bit
18:16.49mumpitze1neo1691: fix your sources.list, dpkg showed you how.
18:17.10jelly-home!tell Gregor2 about deb-src
18:17.30jelly-home!tell Gregor2 about build-deps
18:17.36jelly-home!tell Gregor2 about build-dep
18:17.41Gregor2it could have errors right?
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18:18.27Gregor2configure was not found!
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18:21.17phoxanyone?  bueller?
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18:24.07Gregor2but there is no configure folder!!
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18:25.26jelly-homeGregor2: folder?  Show exactly what you've done so far, put it in a pastebin.
18:25.37Gregor2nothing
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18:26.09Gregor2I downloaded and unpacked that!
18:26.10Gregor2http://www.mamedev.org/downloader.php?file=releases/mame0151s.zip
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18:28.24jelly-homeGregor2: show the commands used, and the contents of the unpacked folder, in a pastebin, please
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18:30.02Gregor2i used fileroller to unpack it on graphical!
18:30.43red-lichtieI think I found it: CONFARGS
18:30.46manyglaciersHi. I think I might have messed up something with update-alternatives. I can't make Eclipse work, it seems to be unable to resolve anything from jdk.
18:32.09red-lichtiejordanm:  "CONFARGS=--enable-languages=c,c++ dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b -d" seems to have done the trick
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18:39.49DammitJimcan someone help me clarify something about linux authentication with a windows AD?
18:40.05DammitJimI was able to get authentication with winbind on linux, but now my boss is asking about LDAP
18:40.40DammitJimI was reading an older article about LDAP and it said that passwords are sent unencrypted and it recommended using Winbind. Any reason why I should not do winbind?
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18:43.16nonconvergent{m}Huh.
18:43.24nonconvergent{m}I think my ssh server at home crashed.
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18:44.35nonconvergent{m}I can ping the IP, I see that I'm still logged on in other channels, but I can't ssh to it.  Which either its down or the router had a hiccup/was changed an my port forward was borked.
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18:45.38jordanmDammitJim: you can't do plain LDAP auth to an AD controller
18:45.54DammitJimoh
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18:46.04jordanmDammitJim: windbind maps AD users to unix UIDs and groups to GIDs
18:46.33jordanmDammitJim: AD LDAP doesn't hold that information by default, which is required for *nix users
18:46.53jordanmDammitJim: winbind is still querying AD's LDAP, it's just not using it to authenticate
18:47.02jordanmkerberos is a more secure method anyways
18:47.04jelly-homenonconvergent{m}: instead of relying on port forwarding, consider setting up a vpn to a machine with fixed ip somewhere on the internets
18:47.40nonconvergent{m}jelly-home: what's the benefit?
18:47.48nonconvergent{m}I don't use 22 anyway.
18:48.03DammitJimjordanm, is this related to sssd?
18:48.17jelly-homenonconvergent{m}: not having to rely on the router and its ip so much
18:48.24nonconvergent{m}my ssh listens on an obscure port (just to cut down on knocks...she's locked up tight unless you get my keys).
18:48.38jordanmDammitJim: no, I haven't used it
18:49.15nonconvergent{m}jelly-home: I'm fairly sure it's still there and still up.  Just no idea why I can't ssh to it.
18:49.37nonconvergent{m}Unless GSU is suddenly blocking my obscure port.
18:50.07nonconvergent{m}jelly-home: Want to do me a favor? Try knocking on it yourself? I'll tell you the port.
18:50.18jelly-homesure...
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18:59.59zykotick9jhutchins_wk: "lsmod | grep nouveau" returns a bunch of nouveau?!?!
19:00.15zykotick9jhutchins_wk: sorry, wrong channel ;)
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19:04.10nonconvergent{m}This is annoying.  I can't access my vagrant sessions from here, or my web server.
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19:06.19lmatcardamon: Do you think you should be able to access your webserver ?
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19:15.31superjoeI'm creating a utility that I hope to eventually get into debian. I'm currently choosing between adding a dependency on freeimage and devil. Any recommendations?
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19:15.59superjoeit seems that both are in the repos, but I heard that freeimage statically bundles some dependencies and it is my understanding that debian frowns upon this
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19:19.17fruitFlyhow do i dualboot debian on a win8 machine? any ideas?
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19:20.32sseehhhttp://MassSpectrumBotanicals.com Live Seeds. Live Plants. Products for plants. Products from plants. Bound together by chemistry & light: Germplasm Factory / Micronursery / Plant Growth Regulators / Custom Seed Vaults / Lab Spec Horticulture Solutions. Worldwide Importing & Exporting. Unlimited combined shipping only $6 in the U.S.
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19:21.42jelly-home!ops sseehh seeds spam
19:21.42dpkgHydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: sseehh seeds spam
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19:22.26jelly-home... should have gone with "veggie spam"
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19:24.50TylertwofruitFly, https://wiki.debian.org/WindowsDualBoot
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19:25.48unholycrabhas anyone set up an apt repository before? i am getting connection failed when trying to install the package on another machine... though i am able to download the package using a web browser, and i can get the package list with apt-get update just fine
19:26.25unholycrabpermissions are 644, owner is the apache user
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19:27.55unholycrab"Failed to fetch http://aptitude.example.com/packages/testpackage_1.0_amd64.deb  Connection failed"
19:27.57dondelelcarounholycrab: can you view the archive from that machine?
19:28.10unholycrabbut when i wget that exact url from the same machine, it downloads the file
19:28.18dondelelcarounholycrab: what happens when you HEAD http://aptitude.example.com/packages/testpackage_1.0_amd64.deb?
19:28.50dondelelcarounholycrab: hrm; is there anything unusual about this setup? what's the web server running the archive? Do you have throttling or any connection limits set up?
19:29.09unholycrabcurl: (18) transfer closed with 806 bytes remaining to read
19:29.22dondelelcarouh... yeah, that's not good
19:30.02dondelelcarounholycrab: what webserver is the archive running?
19:30.03unholycrabdondelelcaro: its apache2, and no
19:30.28dondelelcarounholycrab: what do the apache logs say?
19:30.55jhutchins_wkunholycrab: Tell apt to use wget.
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19:31.12dondelelcaro(there's nothing really special about a Debian archive; it's just a bunch of files and directories served by a web server or ftp server)
19:31.24dondelelcaro(or I suppose, via NFS or something else crazy)
19:31.52peterSI hear rumors some people even install debian from archives stored on ISO-9660 filesystems!  on CDs!
19:32.03mumpitze1peterS: only experts
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19:32.51unholycrabdondelelcaro: i can see the HEAD request in the access logs, nothing in the error logs
19:32.55unholycraber, hold on
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19:34.30unholycrabhmm. it looks like its not hitting the apache server at all when i try to apt-get install
19:34.42scotepiis there a simple WINS server or do I need to go all out with Samba?
19:34.47unholycrabhow is it trying to fetch the package then
19:35.05dondelelcarounholycrab: what does apt-cache policy foopkg; say?
19:35.07peterSyou can run samba just as a wins server, there's no need to provide any file or print shares
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19:35.26dondelelcarounholycrab: alternatively, do you have a proxy or something else configured? say, http_proxy or similar set?
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19:36.14peterSscotepi: and in fact since wins is provided by nmbd, techncially you could run just that and not smbd.  though I don't think the samba packaging makes this convenient.
19:36.24unholycrabi dont think so dondelelcaro
19:36.29unholycrablike i said, i can wget that url just fine
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19:36.37unholycrabbut apt-get doesn't seem to be hitting the web server
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19:36.51scotepithanks, I'll play around. I'm just dealing with junk hardware and don't want to put to much of a load on it
19:37.13unholycrabdondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=S7vGZdTk
19:37.16peterSscotepi: yeah don't worry about load.  if smbd isn't doing anything it won't really take any noticeable resources.
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19:37.57scotepipeterS: its a old P4 with 1GB and i might run it on a Raspberry Pi
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19:38.25peterSscotepi: see now I feel old.  I used to run samba all the time on boxes with like 64 MB or less
19:38.47peterSthat was... a few releases ago, to be sure
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19:39.06jhutchins_wkscotepi: Just don't mess with winbind, and remember to keep your logging low for prod ops.
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19:39.15l_rfinally i am here
19:39.28peterSgood, the party can start now
19:39.29l_rno one outside could give me an answer to my case
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19:39.37l_rwhich is not absurd
19:39.43l_r(although i am sometimes)
19:39.48jelly-home!ask
19:39.48l_r<PROTECTED>
19:39.48dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
19:39.54jelly-home!enter
19:39.55dpkgThe enter key is not a substitute for punctuation.  Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying.  Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.  If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
19:40.21peterSjelly-home: ease up a little, you're making dpkg flood more than l_r is (:
19:40.23jelly-homeover with preemptive !factoids
19:40.41l_ri need to configure (without modiying scripts)  the system so that if dhcpd fails to get an ip,dns,etc.. for eth0, then a static ip,static dns are given to eth0
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19:41.15l_rthere must be a solution without touching scripts directly
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19:41.27l_rgoogle does not help
19:41.40l_ror i could not find any useful link
19:41.41peterSl_r: what you want is to configure a static lease for dhclient to fall back on
19:41.51l_rpeterS, wow,thx
19:41.57l_ryou seem to know what you are saying
19:42.02l_ri ll insert your answer in google
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19:43.51l_rpeterS, do you think the static lease would also allow me to set the dns?
19:43.54peterSl_r: 'man dhclient.conf', then search for the section LEASE DECLARATIONS.  this is a document describing what to put in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
19:44.06l_rgreat
19:44.08l_rthx
19:44.20unholycrabcan i specify in my apt repository, how apt-get is to fetch the packages?
19:44.27peterSl_r: I haven't tried it, but yes, you should be able to use normal options like 'option name-servers 10.1.1.5 10.1.1.6;' in there
19:44.44unholycrabjhutchins_wk: how do i configure what you are suggesting? is it on the side of the apt repo
19:44.45peterSl_r: pardon, 'domain-name-servers' not just 'name-servers'
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19:45.40peterSLRN: pardon again, name servers are , separated not space separated (:
19:46.02peterSl_r ^^
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19:46.15l_rmany thx
19:46.19l_ri ll try immediatly
19:46.22peterSno problem, good luck
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19:48.15jhutchins_wkunholycrab: I don't remember but it's in the man page.
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19:54.04phoxif I have a package installed from Sid and want to forcibly reinstall the stable version, how do I make Apt do that?
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19:54.26DammitJimI don't understand when I should use a symbolic link...
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19:54.50DammitJimright now I have a jar application that runs somewhere in opt
19:55.03norayrhey people of debian
19:55.11mumpitze1phox: not with apt but dpkg
19:55.15DammitJimI am using a java service wrapper for it and I was using a symbolic link from where the java service wrapper is to the opt/ where the jar is
19:55.19mumpitze1!tell phox about partial downgrade
19:55.24norayrI need an advice from the people who remember potato, woody, sarge
19:55.27DammitJimbut then someone just asked me why I was doing that and not just calling it directly from opt/
19:55.46DammitJimI thought symbolic links just help you organize your configurations, right?
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19:56.12norayrMy friend has very old laptop, and no money at all. The laptop is IBM Thinkpad 365, it has 500mb drive and 26mb RAM.
19:56.24norayrI need to choose a debian version to install him.
19:56.41norayrI believe potato will work on it.
19:56.59norayrHowever, it would be extremely cool, if sarge could work.
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19:57.24norayrBut I am afraid, sarge has 2.6 kernel, which will require more than 26 mb of memory to unpack itself
19:57.31norayrand it won't boot.
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19:57.42norayralso, I don't remember how much disk space it required.
19:57.44flyppnorayr, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/minimum_hardware_requirements.html
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19:58.15norayrI remember that I could install minimal woody on 80 mb space.
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19:58.23norayrflypp: thank you, let me see
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19:59.16mumpitze1norayr: you're better of with somthing like damnsmall linux, puppy linux, etc
19:59.35norayrmumpitze1: thank you, I did not think of it
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19:59.49sadboxmumpitze1: Even puppy reccomends 64MB of ram minimum =/
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20:05.39fruitFlyis anyone familiar with dual booting debian beside windows 8, do all I have to do is disable secure boot or what?
20:05.51fruitFlyi think my pc might be using UEFI
20:06.18jhutchins_wk!uefi
20:06.18dpkgUnified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface.  Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported.  See also <errata>.  http://www.uefi.org/
20:06.36BrazierCustomshello, I have a debian vserver, only used for mysql. I recently had to restore a backup (of the entire server) since then I cant start mysql and I cant find any log info or any idea why..
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20:07.45jhutchins_wkfruitFly: You should follow the appropriate portion of the install guide, and you need to disable fast boot or quick boot for Windows in the BIOS as well.
20:08.50dondelelcarounholycrab: if that's all apt-cache policy; says, then it should be hitting the server. If it's not, then you've got something else going on. Run apt-get download foopkg; under strace for more information
20:08.54jhutchins_wkBrazierCustoms: You can configure mysql for more verbose logging.
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20:11.34fruitFlyjhutchins_wk: install guide where? and in my bios all I saw pertaining to booting was Launch CSM (compatibility support module) [enabled], secure boot [enabled] and launch EFI filesystem from file system device.
20:11.50BrazierCustomsjhutchins_wk, I dont know how. I am so screwed, our email has been down for 3 days and I am currently out with pneumonia trying to fix it
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20:12.01fruitFlyjhutchins_wk: i didn't see anything about fast boot?
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20:14.13jelly-homeBrazierCustoms: is syslog running?  If it is, check /var/log/daemon.log for any mysql messages
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20:14.50jelly-home(y u no remote access)
20:15.40BrazierCustomsjelly-home, I am on remote access, rsyslog is running
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20:17.52jhutchins_wkBrazierCustoms: There is no standard "mysql doesn't  start after a restore" fix.
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20:18.07jhutchins_wkBrazierCustoms: You need to figure out why it's not starting.  How have you tried starting it?
20:18.50BrazierCustomsjhutchins_wk, I realize that, but I thought maybe it would get me an answer as to where to look :)
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20:19.31jhutchins_wklogs
20:19.33sadboxIt is probably unrelated, but I had a similar issue a few days ago: Apparently mysql won't start if your buffer pool is set to something larger than physical memory =P
20:19.40sadbox(it also didn't show anything in the logs)
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20:20.37BrazierCustomsjhutchins_wk,  Can't start server: Bind on TCP/IP port: Address already in use, but its supposed to be the same config..
20:20.46macondo_hi, i tried #debian-backports and nothing.  Is there another channel for backports?
20:20.59BrazierCustomsthis is a vserver on a server that has its own mysql
20:21.42unholycrabdondelelcaro: do you think this has something to do with it? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=6psxge3Q
20:21.47jhutchins_wkBrazierCustoms: /var/log/mysql/mysql.log to start, /var/log/daemon.log
20:21.53unholycrabi don't have the language directories
20:21.57jelly-homeBrazierCustoms: pastebin the whole line from the logs, and/or the whole command line and output you use
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20:22.02jhutchins_wkBrazierCustoms: YOu may need to turn the log on in /etc/mysql/my.cnf
20:22.04reberhi
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20:22.39jhutchins_wkBrazierCustoms: ps ax | grep sql?
20:22.42jhutchins_wknetstat?
20:22.43reberi'm trying to open a link in libreoffice but that doesnt work. How to associate an extension file to a software please ?
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20:23.02jhutchins_wkreber: Generally right-click, open with
20:23.16reberno inside libre office jhutchins_wk
20:23.17BrazierCustomshaha let me catch up..
20:23.24rudiXHello from Bulgaria
20:23.24sadboxBrazierCustoms: Check my.cnf to see what port it's trying to bind to, then check netstat to see what's already listening on that port =P
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20:24.29macondo_are backports discontinued? the main page talks about 'squeeze' and iceweasel's version is 10, in wheezy it's version 17 , any thoughts?
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20:25.33rudiXI was able to netboot my old vaio to live@user bash ... then startx also works ... but the icon "Install Debian" does not ... any suggestions to install debian via command ?
20:25.46jelly-homemacondo_: parts of the backports web page are out of date, but they're still alive and kicking
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20:26.37GentileBenrudiX do you know Dimitar Berbatov?
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20:27.07rudiXGentileBen: not personally :) ... how this could help :)
20:27.10macondo_jelly-home, thanks pal, it's confusing
20:27.13mumpitze1rudiX: what doesn't work exactly? need a error message
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20:27.56rudiXno errors it's live 686 os via netboot
20:28.16rudiXmaybe i need i386 due the fact this is old machine
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20:29.13mumpitze1if it booted 686 is fine. what happens when you click on it?
20:29.21echo083hello, there are touchsrcreen tablet compatible with debian ?
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20:29.32BrazierCustomsjhutchins_wk, http://pastebin.com/ZnhbR7RZ
20:29.46rudiXbasically it boots via some fancy space menu with rocket and the nice debian logo on it , then I see the dash prompt with live@debian
20:29.59rudiXthe goal is to install the os
20:30.26mumpitze1rudiX: how are you trying to start the installer then?
20:30.56rudiXmumpitze1:  typing "startx" then clicking the installer (no success)
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20:31.09Pitranyone know about availability of OSSEC-package? It is a rather popular host-based intrusion detection system.
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20:31.16mumpitze1so check what that icon calls and try to run this in a xterm
20:31.25mumpitze1or you can use debootstrap if you want to
20:31.30mumpitze1!tell rudiX about debootstrap
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20:32.13inthlhow to tell dig to use a different resolver ...?
20:32.40rudiXmuch appreciatiatons ... guess now i know what to do :)
20:32.46mumpitze1inthl: @
20:33.00mumpitze1!tell rudiX about debootstrap
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20:33.15bezokahi
20:33.20bezokawhere can I find "./qtbase/bin/"?
20:33.28rudiXmumpitze1: no sarcasm ... thank you
20:33.29rudiX:)
20:33.52jhutchins_wkbezoka: locate qtbase
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20:34.23bezokabut I dont know where can I search it :d
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20:34.51mumpitze1rudiX: just wanted to giev you some pointers/docs how to use debootstrap
20:34.55BrazierCustomsjhutchins_wk, did you see the paste? http://pastebin.com/ZnhbR7RZ
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20:35.02inthlmumpitze1, yes, this queries another dns-server, but I meant to query a dns server using a different one
20:35.05mumpitze1jhutchins_wk: locate isn't installed by default anymore
20:35.34well_laid_lawnfind is easier than locate imo
20:35.35inthlmeaning: tell dig to query another dns-server for a dns-query...whether possible. I think it is
20:35.53mumpitze1inthl: you can only choose to query a server. who this server then queries in turn you cannot decide, it's up to the server
20:36.32mumpitze1dig @8.8.8.8 debian.org queries the google DNS server instead of your local one
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20:36.49mumpitze1well_laid_lawn: locate has a database and is instant. find takes a very long time on a hdd
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20:37.15well_laid_lawnonly if the database is up to date
20:37.23bezokajhutchins_wk: I am noob, didnt know "locate" is a commend ^^
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20:38.26mumpitze1well_laid_lawn: yes, cronjob usually
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20:40.23heloChousuke: thanks for the comments re: systemd earlier... it's working great now :)
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20:40.37well_laid_lawnmumpitze1:  to find a recently created file the database has to be updated, find is easier imo
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20:41.00Tylertwowell_laid_lawn, even if the DB isn't up to date it usually just takes a couple seconds to update it
20:41.05Chousukehelo: you're welcome
20:41.19mumpitze1well_laid_lawn: about as long as the find run often :)
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20:42.41well_laid_lawnmumpitze1:  so via cron the database is updated, then to find recently created files the database is updated again. find is easier imo
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20:51.10sloothHello. I am compiling my own kernel package (using make-kpkg). However, I forgot to add one module that I need and I don't want to recompile the whole kernel, but I want to make new package WITH that module. How can I do that? (I already tried with --added_modules, it did nothing)
20:52.10mumpitze1slooth: don't. use make deb-pkg
20:52.18superjoeis there a nice UTF8 C library I can depend on?
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20:52.41superjoeor better yet, a relaxed json parser C library
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20:52.55LorcatarHola
20:52.59Lorcatar;)
20:53.19LorcatarWhen I look at process manager I have about 100 processes called package-extract ;)
20:53.24LorcatarShould I be worried?
20:53.32sloothmumpitze1, what? What's that?
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20:53.42BrazierCustomsjhutchins_wk, you still here?
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20:54.00mumpitze1!tell slooth about kernel handbook
20:54.13mumpitze1BrazierCustoms: he lives here. we can't get rid of him :P
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20:54.35sloothmumpitze1, it starts to recompile the whole kernel.
20:54.52Lorcatar;) respond bls
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20:56.22mumpitze1make-kpkg runs make clean afaik, yes
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20:56.55mumpitze1you could run just make modules then it will only compile the module and then add it to the debian kernel .deb manually at the right place
20:57.00mumpitze1a .deb is just an archive
20:57.11sloothmumpitze1, that doesn't work. I can't insert the created module
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20:57.41mumpitze1why not?
20:57.43jelly-homeBrazierCustoms: so, is there a mysqld process running at present?
20:57.57BrazierCustomsnot on the vserver
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20:58.11sloothmumpitze1, "module: disagrees about version of symbol module_layout"
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20:58.30jelly-homeBrazierCustoms: does "telnet localhost 3306" connect to something?
20:58.33nevynslooth: you can use make deb-pkg rather than make-kpkg these days
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20:59.06sloothnevyn, when I issue: make deb-pkg, it starts compiling the whole kernel. I just need one module compiled and added in
20:59.16BrazierCustomsjelly-home, vserver doesn't have telnet
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20:59.37nevynslooth: so... if you'd built the original kernel with make deb-pkg it wouldn't do that
20:59.42mumpitze1slooth: go into the directory with the module source and run "make"
20:59.45mumpitze1might owrk
20:59.49jhutchins_wkBrazierCustoms: Back.
20:59.54jelly-homeBrazierCustoms: install it?
20:59.59nevynslooth: the problem is make-kpkg destroys the kernel intermediate files (deliberatly)
21:00.04sloothmumpitze1, it doesn't work.. "No targets, stop"
21:00.25jelly-homeBrazierCustoms: does it have lsof or netstat?
21:00.25sloothnevyn, yeh I figured it do that, I thought there might be some way around this.
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21:00.41BrazierCustomsjhutchins_wk, did u see my pastebin?
21:00.49mumpitze1slooth: make modules? (grasping at straws here, would need to look at the Makefile)
21:00.52BrazierCustomsjelly-home, netstat
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21:01.21nevynmumpitze1: nope it relies on stuff generated during make zimage.
21:01.32mumpitze1:(
21:01.46BrazierCustomsjhutchins_wk, http://pastebin.com/ZnhbR7RZ I dont have anything running on 3306
21:01.57sloothmumpitze1, it doesn't work but it seems there isn't a way around this. I should have had used deb-pkg. Anyway, thanks a lot. You too, nevyn
21:02.13nevynslooth: you could configure the kernel as minimally as possible build it and copy the .ko out
21:02.25sloothnevyn, something liek oldmenuconfig?
21:02.54nevynI think there's a minimalconfig option
21:03.03sloothYeah, I tried it, I got stuck..
21:03.14nevynlike make minimalconfig
21:03.26nevynyou then run make menuconfig and turn on the module you want
21:03.27sloothnevyn, yeah, I remembered: I couldn't activate the module :) When I did make menuconfig, I couldn't access the module I am trying to add :)
21:03.35nevynah.
21:03.42nevynthen your kernel config was wrong.
21:03.44sloothIt was hilarious. I thought of manually updating .config, but too much work. Anyway, I'll just rebuild it
21:03.48jhutchins_wkSorry, my connectivity to the node running irssi has been intermittent.
21:04.25nevynslooth: so... this happens when you're trying to enable something that you havn't enabled a prerequisite for.
21:04.28nevynsimple example
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21:04.42nevynin the usb section there's parallell port USB support
21:04.55BrazierCustomsjhutchins_wk, its ok
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21:04.57sloothnevyn, yeah, I know. I saw the "DEPENDS ON" ... but it turned out to be dependency hell
21:05.03nevynit's not enabled if parallel support in the basic sytem devices is off
21:05.04sloothnevyn, so I gave up
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21:05.29nevynslooth: so editing .config wouldn't have made this better.
21:06.03sloothnevyn, if you knew what precisely is needed, it would, but it was too complicated and pointless to do manually.
21:06.14jhutchins_wkBrazierCustoms: how are you strarting mysql?
21:06.40nevynslooth: config2 exists to make sure .config is a possible configuration
21:06.49unholycrab<PROTECTED>
21:06.55unholycraband apt-get remove ttf-bitstream-vera installs ttf-dejavu-core
21:07.00unholycrabnooooo
21:07.02unholycrabmake it stop
21:07.11sloothnevyn, what's config2?
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21:07.15nevynI sortof wish there was a "enable this and everything it requires" rather than the current go find it.
21:07.17jelly-homeunholycrab: remove both in the same command line.
21:07.24sloothnevyn, yeah precisely
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21:08.00jhutchins_wkBrazierCustoms: Does mysqladmin debug dump anything useful?
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21:08.05nevynslooth: the system that generates and parses .config
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21:08.20nevynso it's part of the kernel
21:08.24unholycrabjelly-home: it installs whichever package is not installed at the time, when i do that
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21:08.40BrazierCustomsjhutchins_wk, with /etc/init.d/mysql start, and I dont know how to do the dump
21:08.43jelly-homeunholycrab: pastebin the complete command line and the whole output.
21:09.17jelly-homeunholycrab: I meant: apt-get remove ttf-dejavu-core ttf-bitstream-vera
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21:09.31nevynit seems to have been superceeded by Kcfg tho
21:09.37unholycrabjelly-home: yep
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21:10.33unholycrabjelly-home: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=0Z6VKYe6
21:10.58jelly-homeunholycrab: that's not the command I suggested
21:11.08unholycrabjelly-home: what is the command yous uggested
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21:11.26unholycraboh i see
21:11.28unholycrabdifferent packages
21:11.55jelly-homeunholycrab: don't sudo when you're already root.
21:11.57jhutchins_wkBrazierCustoms: mysqladmin debug
21:12.48nevynslooth: all that said... "DEPENDS_ON" means you can search back up the dependancies
21:12.57BrazierCustomsjhutchins_wk, did you see the pasebin? mysql never starts so mysqladmin debug fails with cant connect
21:12.59nevynbecause menuconfig will let you search by config option
21:13.16jhutchins_wkBrazierCustoms: Ah, of course.
21:13.18nevyngtg to work.
21:13.24unholycrabjelly-home: looks like when i add more packages to the remove command, it finds other fonts to install
21:13.32unholycraband the remove command just gets longer
21:13.39sloothnevyn, thanks man. See you around
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21:14.08jhutchins_wkBrazierCustoms: Make sure the log is enabled in my.cnf, and you might want to enable log-error = /var/log/mysqld.log
21:14.08BrazierCustomsjhutchins_wk, the problem is I cant figure out why it thinks the port is tied up
21:14.25jhutchins_wkBrazierCustoms: I presume you've rebooted?
21:14.29jelly-homeunholycrab: it will be out of options at some point, and you'll find the package which depends on (any one of) the fonts
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21:15.06BrazierCustomsjhutchins_wk, the second one already is enabled, not sure what line is the first, but the mysql log is included in my pastebin
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21:15.24BrazierCustomsjhutchins_wk, reboot - yes many times
21:15.26jelly-homeunholycrab: you may try running "aptitude why ttf-bitstream-vera" or whichever is installed at present
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21:15.43jhutchins_wkBrazierCustoms: log = /var/log/mysqld.log
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21:16.05jhutchins_wkBrazierCustoms: Try restarting mysql instead of just starting.  THat might clean up whatever is causing the problem.
21:16.25BrazierCustomsjhutchins_wk, yes, that one is included in the pastebin (mysql.log)
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21:17.07BrazierCustomsjhutchins_wk, restarting also fails
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21:17.10jhutchins_wkBrazierCustoms: So you have both log = and log-error =
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21:20.19unholycrabnice jelly-home
21:20.24BrazierCustomsjhutchins_wk, cant find "log-error" in config
21:20.38jhutchins_wkBrazierCustoms: You add it.
21:20.49jhutchins_wkBrazierCustoms: THere are a bunch of options that aren't in the comments.
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21:21.00jhutchins_wkBrazierCustoms: Trying to find the debug option...
21:21.43BrazierCustomsjhutchins_wk, ok, thanks for your help.. the mysql channel already gave up on me
21:23.16red-lichtieAssuming that I know the issues associated with testing (jessie) regarding security patches, etc., but I would really like to have the ownCloud integration that Gnome 3.8 offers. Is it stable enough for normal desktop usage ?
21:23.43jhutchins_wkBrazierCustoms: You might try log-level = info
21:24.20jhutchins_wkBrazierCustoms: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql-cluster-manager/1.2/en/mcm-using-mcmd.html#option_mcmd_log-level
21:24.20BrazierCustomsjhutchins_wk, in my.conf?
21:24.20jhutchins_wkBrazierCustoms: Yes.
21:24.50jhutchins_wkBrazierCustoms: You will want to turn this all back off when you get it fixed, it's a pretty harsh performance hit.
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21:27.54acuhow can I see only modules installed - for apache for example - aptitude search apache2 what ?
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21:30.20jhutchins_wkBrazierCustoms: I don't know if log_warnings = 1 would add any info.
21:30.43BrazierCustomsjhutchins_wk, so I need to add log-level=warning? or log-level=3
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21:31.33BrazierCustomsthis is so frustrating, I have been staring at this for 3 days now
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21:32.01jhutchins_wkBrazierCustoms: info is the highest level of logging, I'd go with that.
21:32.16jhutchins_wkBrazierCustoms: I don't know the difference between that and log_warning.
21:32.29foetus^^list installed packages: cat /var/lib/dpkg/status | grep -B2 'install ok installed' | grep 'Package:' | cut -d' ' -f2 | sort | less
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21:33.01BrazierCustomsjhutchins_wk, the link you sent me specifies log-level=warning
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21:34.44jhutchins_wkBrazierCustoms: Yeah, I see that.  Info is usually more verbose, but wth - try either/both.
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21:36.12BrazierCustomsjhutchins_wk, im not sure what the other option is
21:36.37BrazierCustomsjhutchins_wk, I just trew out the =3 as an axample/guess
21:37.41unholycrabdondelelcaro: there was an apt-cacher proxy set up
21:37.51unholycraband that was causing the failure
21:37.54sadboxBrazierCustoms: I may have missed it... did you check to see which port it's listening on + check netstat to see what process has already bound to that port?
21:38.19sadbox(assuming you still have that cannot-bind-to-port error)
21:38.25BrazierCustomssadbox, yes, its 3306, and I dont have any listening ports
21:39.19BrazierCustomssadbox, http://pastebin.com/ZnhbR7RZ
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21:40.53BrazierCustomsjhutchins_wk, adding that to the config gave me nothing more than I already have
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21:41.08dondelelcarounholycrab: yerp; not surprising.
21:41.31sadboxBrazierCustoms: You will need to use netstat -a, I think plain netstat just shows current active connections
21:41.47mumpitze1netstat -anp|grep 3306
21:41.52mumpitze1and you must run it as root
21:42.10sadboxor, probably, netstat -natp or something
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21:42.52BrazierCustomsmumpitze1, no result
21:43.10BrazierCustomssadbox, no result
21:43.15sadboxdid you run it as root?
21:43.19BrazierCustomsyes
21:43.22sadboxHrm
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21:43.51WoetI just got the e-mail "[SECURITY] [DSA 2802-1] nginx security update"
21:43.54sadboxIs your bind-address set correctly?
21:43.58Woetbut apt-get update / apt-get upgrade does not update it
21:44.05BrazierCustomsbind = 0.0.0.0
21:44.11Woetis this because mirrors.kernel.org is out of date?
21:45.39sadboxBrazierCustoms: bind or bind-address?
21:45.56sadbox(if it matters? my mysql-foo is running out =P)
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21:47.48BrazierCustomssadbox, jhutchins_wk, here is config http://pastebin.com/peH8dEWt
21:47.59sadboxOr, looking at those logs again, check permissions or something for the /var/run/mysqld/ directory
21:48.02BrazierCustomsmaybe you will see something
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21:48.39BrazierCustomssadbox, what permissions should I expect?
21:49.17sadboxdrwxr-xr-x 2 mysql root 80 Nov 21 13:44 /var/run/mysqld
21:49.20BrazierCustomsdrwxr-xr-x 2 mysql root  4096 Nov 21 18:49 mysqld
21:49.24sadboxis what I see locally
21:49.26sadboxyep
21:49.48BrazierCustomssadbox, rrrrrr im pulling my hair out
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21:50.45sadboxwhat's in the directory? Maybe it isn't deleting the lock file or something
21:50.55BrazierCustomssadbox, empty
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21:51.13BrazierCustomssadbox, what if I use another port just to see if it still fails
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21:51.42BrazierCustomssadbox, what is an unlikely port to be used
21:52.13red-lichtieBrazierCustoms: Just out of the blue, but is mysqld running?
21:52.18sadboxWell, if netstat isn't showing 3306, that shouldn't be an issue (I don't think)
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21:53.09BrazierCustomsred-lichtie, no
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21:53.23BrazierCustomsred-lichtie, fails to start, port/address in use
21:53.27red-lichtieThen you won't have a socket to connect to
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21:53.52red-lichtiemissed seomthing I think
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21:55.37red-lichtieBrazierCustoms: What does "netstat -at" show?
21:55.42BrazierCustomsnothing
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21:56.23red-lichtieAre you at the machine or connected remotely?
21:56.39red-lichtieIs networking even started / configured?
21:56.45BrazierCustomsred-lichtie, http://pastebin.com/ZnhbR7RZ
21:57.23BrazierCustomsred-lichtie, i am remote, but it is a vserver, I am actually ssh into the parent server
21:57.43BrazierCustomsit is a vserver kernal
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21:57.48BrazierCustomskernel
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21:58.13red-lichtiethe parent won't see the ports on the guests will it?
21:58.27red-lichtieThey have their own address / stack don't they?
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21:59.56BrazierCustomsred-lichtie, no and this was a working system that quit when I did a restore
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22:00.21BrazierCustomsred-lichtie, it does have its own addy, and its up, i mean I can ping google
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22:02.47socommBrazierCustoms: wats the problem?
22:02.57red-lichtieBrazierCustoms: firewall / iptables / selinux ?
22:03.15BrazierCustomsnot that I know
22:03.29BrazierCustomssocom, gimmi 1 sec
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22:04.02jhutchins_wkBrazierCustoms: You could always try my all-purpose hail mary:  shutdown -Fr now
22:04.28socommjhutchins_wk: the old windows aproach :^/
22:04.31BrazierCustomsjhutchins_wk, huh?
22:04.52socommBrazierCustoms: he said restart your guest VM
22:04.52BrazierCustomsbtw, I posted the wrong my.conf earlier its this one http://pastebin.com/KzMhg7Mq
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22:05.53Cyltahow to take a screenshot?
22:06.03socommCylta: be more specific
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22:06.43BrazierCustomsits been restarted many times, and its technically not a VM, it is a vserver in a debian machine with a vservers kernal ,its basically like a vm that runs on the same kernal but somewhat restricted..
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22:06.59red-lichtieBrazierCustoms: Do you have any other instances running mysql ? Telling them to bind to 0.0.0.0 takes 3306 on all addresses!
22:07.26BrazierCustomsonly on the main server
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22:08.17BrazierCustomsred-lichtie, if it was, wouldnt mysql -p connect to it?
22:08.23socommBrazierCustoms: netstat -tulpn | grep 3306
22:08.50BrazierCustomssocom, no result
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22:09.02red-lichtieBrazierCustoms: not if the sock is in another directory/configuration
22:09.23BrazierCustomssocom, to catch you up-- http://pastebin.com/ZnhbR7RZ
22:09.34BrazierCustomsred-lichtie, hmm
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22:10.19BrazierCustomsred-lichtie, the parent server has mysql on 3306, but it never conflicted before..
22:10.30socommBrazierCustoms: bind-address            = 0.0.0.0 -- your my.cnf
22:10.40jelly-homeBrazierCustoms: does netstat -tulpn work at all, inside a vserver container?
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22:11.15BrazierCustomsjelly-home, providenceindustrial:/# netstat -tulpn
22:11.15BrazierCustomsActive Internet connections (only servers)
22:11.15BrazierCustomsProto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address           Foreign Address         State       PID/Program name
22:11.25socommBrazierCustoms: you may want to change that bind-address
22:11.28BrazierCustomsjelly-home, BUT THATS IT
22:11.32jelly-homeBrazierCustoms: "no"
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22:11.45BrazierCustomsjelly-home, no?
22:11.53red-lichtieBrazierCustoms: mysql -h vserverhost -p
22:12.03jelly-homeit obviously does not work as intended
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22:12.12BarackObama_MSHi folks.
22:12.15BrazierCustomsjelly-home, why?
22:12.25socommBrazierCustoms: 'netstat -tulnp' should return a few entries
22:12.31jelly-homeBrazierCustoms: crippled vps environment is crippled
22:12.46BrazierCustomsi'm lost
22:13.16jelly-home(it's just how vserver works, apparently)
22:13.16socommBrazierCustoms: one question, can you run any other network daemons on your vps besides mysql? maybe sshd
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22:14.00socommBrazierCustoms: I'm thinking your vps network config might not be working fully
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22:14.06BrazierCustomssocomm, dont have ssh
22:14.27jhutchins_wkBrazierCustoms: Sorry, work irl.  -F causes it to check the disks.
22:14.39jelly-homeBrazierCustoms: can you install telnet and/or netcat-traditional, and try connecting to localhost:3306 manually?
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22:14.52BrazierCustomsjelly-home, let me see
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22:15.33BrazierCustomsrrr no, i cant install anything..  E: Archive directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing.
22:15.45jelly-homeBrazierCustoms: mkdir that
22:16.08socomm'mkdir -p /var/cache/apt/archives/partial'
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22:16.38BrazierCustomssocomm, omg you fixed that :)
22:16.40jelly-homeBrazierCustoms: which debian release is the container supposed to be, anyway
22:17.09socommBrazierCustoms: that was jelly-home's idea :^/
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22:18.47BrazierCustomsjelly-home, i'm not sure, it wont tell me, but mysql is 5.0.?? (lenny)
22:19.26BrazierCustomssocomm, your right, thanks jelly-home ,i got alot of fails on apt-get update tho
22:19.30jelly-homeBrazierCustoms: what does dpkg -l libc6 dpkg base-files mysql-server\* say
22:19.59jelly-homeBrazierCustoms: while you're pastebinning that, also add output of "apt-cache policy"
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22:22.59mads-I just installed the new Debian. When did the unrar(-nonfree) get removed? The unrar-free seems to be balls at unpacking files which are split across several rar files
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22:23.08BrazierCustomsjelly-home, http://pastebin.com/g45L9DJH
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22:23.40jelly-homethat's lenny alright
22:24.02red-lichtie"iF  mysql-server-5.0" F = bad install
22:24.09jelly-homeBrazierCustoms: you'll have to fix your /etc/apt/sources.list,
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22:24.19jelly-homedpkg, tell BrazierCustoms -about lenny sources.list
22:24.20themillmads-: unrar is in non-free and is still there
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22:24.27themilldpkg: tell mads- about non-free sources
22:24.47jelly-homerar is also there and capable of uncompressing its own stuff
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22:26.07BrazierCustomsjelly-home, ok hang on
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22:26.35BrazierCustomsjelly-home, how does one jus tknow all this crap :P
22:27.04jelly-homeyears of toil and trouble
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22:28.22mads-themill, thank god :) thanks. Why would they include the free one when it works like balls though?
22:28.51BrazierCustomsjelly-home, can I just #comment out the originals?
22:29.31themillmads-: it works for some archives just fine. I vaguely recall a discussion a couple of months ago about changing this
22:29.45jelly-homeBrazierCustoms: sure, but they will not ever work again, ever
22:30.03BrazierCustomsok
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22:30.13jhutchins_wkmads-: As long as there IS a free utility, it should be included for people who feel the need to stick to free software.
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22:30.50mumpitze1jhutchins_wk: less and less usefulness with winrar 5. last it could unpack was 3 or 2
22:30.59jelly-homejhutchins_wk: but no multi-volume warez work with it!!!1
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22:35.41BrazierCustomsjelly-home, I got a couple KEYEXPIRED errors says "You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems" but I got the error during apt-get update
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22:38.03jelly-homeBrazierCustoms: yeah, unfortunately I don't know if there's a way to fix those (apart from moving the clock back), so you'll have to work with apt as if the sources are untrusted
22:38.26BrazierCustomsjelly-home, so just ignore the error?
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22:38.50BrazierCustomsjelly-home, oh its just a warning?
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22:39.50BrazierCustomsjelly-home, crap tried to install ssh and got all kinds of probs
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22:40.24BrazierCustomsjelly-home, looks like they are for mysql..
22:41.43BrazierCustomsjelly-home, nope, cant set locale blah blah falling back...      mysql-server-5.0
22:41.43BrazierCustomsbash: mysql-server-5.0: command not found
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22:41.51BrazierCustomsoops
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22:43.26BrazierCustomsjelly-home, it did install ssh though, and it didnt error when it started..
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22:43.34jelly-homethat one fails because the script tries to start mysqld and fails much like the manual start does
22:43.51jelly-homebut please install telnet and try "telnet localhost 3306"
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22:44.14n0cdpkg -L xen-utils-4.1  | grep 'bin'
22:44.15dpkgNo packages found matching xen-utils-4.1  | grep 'bin'
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22:44.19n0cinstead of something like this, can i show a packages component TOOLS?
22:44.23n0cto discover the ways a packages tools can be used, without reading docs
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22:45.52petn-randalln0c: I don't understand your question.
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22:48.12BrazierCustomsjelly-home, looks like it connected
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22:48.30BrazierCustomsjelly-home, so the port is not the problem
22:48.38usrnix1How can I force a package to reinstall completely without undoing deps? I installed iceweasel experimental version, put my repo back to beta but a dist-upgrade didn't replace the experimental
22:48.49jelly-homeBrazierCustoms: that means some service is already running!
22:49.05jelly-homeBrazierCustoms: ps -fe |grep mysql ?
22:49.08BrazierCustomsjelly-home, I dont understand
22:49.14BrazierCustomsok
22:49.35zykotick9usrnix1: apt doesn't downgrade...
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22:50.06jordanmzykotick9: apt-get install iceweasel=<version>
22:50.07jelly-homeBrazierCustoms: it means there's a process already listening on tcp port 3306, localhost, so mysqld can't bind and listen there any more
22:50.11jordanmusrnix1: ^
22:50.17usrnix1removing iceweasel makes aptitude want to remove all of gnome too for some reason...
22:50.28n0cpetn-randall: given an arbitrary package, I want to know what all the installed tools are and a summary of their purpose
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22:50.41n0ckind of like what's in a description field, generally, for a single-tool package
22:50.43BarackObama911Hi folks.
22:50.51BrazierCustomsjelly-home, only result useless: root     21907 17252  0 22:49 pts/0    00:00:00 grep mysql
22:51.08n0cDescription: XEN administrative tools The userspace tools to manage a system virtualized through the XEN virtual machine monitor.
22:51.19n0cjust looking for more verbosity / detail on that &^
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22:52.20jelly-homeBrazierCustoms: alright.  What about lsof -ni4 |egrep '3306|mysql' ?
22:53.09BrazierCustomsjelly-home,bash: lsof: command not found
22:53.20jelly-homeBrazierCustoms: install it! :-)
22:53.26BrazierCustomslol
22:53.53jelly-homewe have a factoid for that.
22:55.06BrazierCustomsjelly-home, i'm installing it, but just so you know this is a bare min vserver
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22:55.47BrazierCustomsjelly-home, lsof -ni4 by itself returns nothing
22:55.51n0cis there a keyboard shortcut for 'cancel pending actions' in aptitude? I've discovered that `L` will mark a package for reinstallation, despite not being available / listed under the CTRL-T menu items for package
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22:55.57jelly-homeeven a bare minimum ought to be debuggable in case of problems
22:56.49BrazierCustomsi know
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22:57.20BrazierCustomswe have NEVER had a single problem out of it
22:57.38socommBrazierCustoms: never?
22:57.47BrazierCustomssocomm, until now
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22:58.07socommBrazierCustoms: you should watch more james bond films
22:58.16socomm(._. )
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23:01.20BrazierCustomssocomm, i hear ya
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23:05.11jelly-homeBrazierCustoms: anyway, I'll be off.  The idea is to figure out which running process is listening on tcp/3306, killing it and letting the installation of mysql-server-5.0 finish (with dpkg --configure -a)
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23:05.51jelly-homeperhaps lsof will be able to shed some light.  I don't know how broken a vserver container environment is.
23:05.52BrazierCustomsjelly-home, will that overwrite config?
23:06.00petn-randalln0c: If you want an high-level view, it's usuallyi easiest to check out /usr/share/doc/<package>/README, then look through the man pages.
23:06.00jelly-homeunlikely
23:06.22jelly-homeBrazierCustoms: have backups, or make them.
23:06.25petn-randalln0c: Though it won't get much shorter than 'dpkg -L <package> | grep bin' to retrieve a list of tools.
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23:06.54BrazierCustomsthis is a backup, it was a working backup, I cant understand why its not working
23:07.34BrazierCustomsjelly-home, and if you cant figure it out, mysql channel gave up, I know I'm doomed
23:07.48jelly-homeDOOMED
23:08.31jelly-homeI'll be back tomorrow, and there are other, smarter people in here, too
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23:10.50FunkyBobhmm... after some recent updates, my mousepad has changed to two-finger scrolling [never realised it was software controlled] ... and my laptop no longer suspends when I close the lid, nor has an option to suspend
23:10.55FunkyBob[gnome]
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23:12.07socommmousepad? thats the first thing I disable on a laptop
23:12.37FunkyBobhow nice for y ou.
23:12.52jelly-homenot everyone is a trackpoint lover
23:13.02FunkyBobthough I find GUIs hard to use without a way to control the pointer...
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23:13.29FunkyBobmy main concern is that my laptop no longer suspends
23:13.32socommjelly-home: external trackball mouse
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23:13.47FunkyBobsocomm: very impractical when trying to work on a busy train
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23:13.59socommFunkyBob: alot more practical than you think
23:14.08linunotte
23:14.12FunkyBobnot when I tried it.
23:14.19BrazierCustomsjelly-home, thanks for your help. I wish I could find some smarter people
23:14.22BrazierCustoms:P
23:14.44socommso does my boss :^(
23:15.01jelly-homeyou might have to wave some (more) $$$ around
23:15.24socommBrazierCustoms: get me ssh access, I'll help you fix this
23:15.50socommI generally charge around 50 USD an hour, but if you get me a bottle a vodka we can call it even
23:16.02BrazierCustomslol
23:16.05BrazierCustomssounds good
23:17.16BrazierCustomssocomm, how do I get over the feeling of risk in giving ssh access?
23:17.52BrazierCustomslol send me an image of your ID :P
23:18.35Gregor2hi
23:18.55jelly-homemake him sign an NDA!
23:18.59BrazierCustomsand I wil lbe honest, I have in the past offered donations to people who have helped me, nobody has ever accepted.
23:19.01jelly-homedisappears
23:19.24socommBrazierCustoms: we work for karma
23:19.54BrazierCustomssocomm, me too!
23:20.18socommunfortunately my landlord doesn't honor karma at face value
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23:22.00midnightmagicHello! I am trying to generate a non-standard bitsize openssh key blacklist because the openssh-blacklist(-extras) do not cover the keysizes of some of my old keys and I never realised this until recently. Can someone please tell me if there is a programmatic tool which doesn't require a vulnerable version of openssl installed in the host OS, to build the blacklist?
23:22.19BrazierCustomssocomm, he will regret that when it gets bad and comes around to bite em
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23:22.50fruitFlyhow do dual boot debian beside windows 8 GPT, i've disabled fast startup and secure boot, but what do I do next?
23:23.12fruitFlyhow does the install differ from a traditional MBR install? do I have to use UEFI?
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23:23.27socommfruitFly: Ask Jeeves
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23:24.15Luke-JrIs there a way to have Debian download every package installed and verify it for consistency?
23:24.28Gregor2what do i have to type if i want to unpack 6000 zip achives?
23:24.32Luke-Jreg, if I'm checking if a server has been compromised (with so far no evidence it has)
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23:24.44Luke-JrGregor2: for zip in *.zip; do unzip "$f"; done
23:24.47Luke-Jrerr
23:24.49Luke-JrGregor2: for zip in *.zip; do unzip "$zip"; done
23:25.53Gregor2i have to type unzip /path
23:25.56Gregor2?
23:26.12socommGregor2: read the documentation
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23:26.49midnightmagicHi Luke-Jr. I think debsums might sort-of be what you're looking for.
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23:26.58socommLuke-Jr: wouldn't that be kinda hard? you'd have to run cheksums against all the binaries installed on your machine
23:27.01themillLuke-Jr: debsums can do this for you, providing you trust the sums on disk. But would you trust the output of any tool that is on the disk?
23:27.09Luke-Jrsocomm: exactly?
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23:27.31Luke-Jrthemill: considering the lack of evidence of compromise right now, probably
23:27.53Luke-Jrdebsums just uses a list? any way to check that list against the actual data?
23:27.57socommLuke-Jr: reinstall os, recover from back-up
23:28.37Luke-Jrsocomm: if I find evidence of compromise, yes .. but I haven't yet
23:28.38socommIf you've reason to suspect/believe you've been compromised.
23:29.03socommLuke-Jr: why do you suspect you've been compromised?
23:29.08Luke-Jrsocomm: someone with root had his SSH key compromised. other systems that were accessed have had log traces, but not this server.
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23:30.20Luke-Jrlong-term we will probably rebuild this server just to be safe, but in the meantime, it'd be nice to know if it's urgent
23:30.38socommLuke-Jr: its never urgent, until it breaks :^)
23:30.47SpecLuke-Jr: i'd just rebuild it.
23:31.01SpecLuke-Jr: are the logs local or remote?
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23:31.11Luke-Jrmost of the servers had local logs
23:31.16Specwell, local logs are useless.
23:31.33Luke-Jrthis is one of hundreds
23:31.37Luke-Jrrebuilding them all will take time
23:31.41BrazierCustomssocomm, until it breaks... you said that right.
23:31.49Specis okay, you use puppet and virtual machines and can rebuild it all in just a few clicks of buttons, yes?
23:31.59Luke-JrI wish
23:32.00Spec:D
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23:32.36socommLuke-Jr: I'm not the smartest person here, but you should spend some time looking at configuration management platform -- chef, puppet, salt
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23:33.26themillLuke-Jr: "aptitude install debsums; aptitude reinstall ~i; debsums -a -s" but note that debsums is really a "is my filesystem stuffed" or a "did I accidentally overwrite /usr/bin/foo" tool. You're still trusting that debsums and associated md5 routines haven't been compromised.
23:33.46Luke-Jrthemill: better than nothing
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23:34.14themillif you know you can trust its output, you know you aren't compromised ;)
23:34.20Luke-Jrthemill: debsums -s is undocumented?
23:34.38themillno
23:34.51themill-s, --silent                 Only report errors.
23:34.58Luke-Jrconsidering that all the known-compromised machines were identified by `last` showing the Russian IP, I'm *pretty sure* this is safe, but want to make sure
23:35.13Luke-Jrhm, wonder how I missed that
23:35.54socommLuke-Jr: how many of your machines are accessible from public IP? :^/
23:35.55Luke-JrE: I wasn't able to locate a file for the base-files package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.
23:36.14themilldpkg: tell Luke-Jr about debsums
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23:36.22themillLuke-Jr: I take it that this is a squeeze machine?
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23:36.41Luke-Jr7.0
23:36.42socommGenerally you should' have to expose machines to the public internet.
23:37.02Luke-Jrthen how will I access them? ;)
23:37.09socommLuke-Jr: VPN
23:37.12themillLuke-Jr: hmm... dpkg should automatically generate any missing sums for you, but aptitude reinstall `debsums -l`
23:37.24socommLuke-Jr: or if you've http servers put them behind a load balancer
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23:37.48Luke-Jrdebsums -l is always empty list :/
23:38.20themillLuke-Jr: what generated that E: output?
23:38.30Luke-Jraptitude reinstall '~i'
23:38.35themilloh.
23:39.12themillsounds like /var/lib/dpkg/info/base-files.list is missing
23:39.29Luke-Jrnope
23:39.43themillperhaps you could pastebin the entire output
23:39.56themillwhat version of base-files is it trying to install?
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23:40.10Luke-Jrhttp://codepad.org/xrUb7hdn
23:40.37themill(apt-cache policy base-files)
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23:43.05acumy /etc/resolv.conf gets dns-nameserver as my LAN modem IP and blocks name resolution - I have changed the /etc/resolv.conf but it gets modified - is any way to prevent that ?
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23:44.43themillLuke-Jr: yeah so apt is trying to reinstall the package from an older version of wheezy. You... umm... might like to keep up to date with updates on these machines too ;) I guess an aptitude ugprade is going to want to do a lot more,
23:45.22themillacu: either fix the modem or tell your dhcp client to ignore the modem's dns data. For the latter, /msg dpkg override dns
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23:48.57thinkUlandHello, Is it possible in some way to run dpkg-reconfigure in batch mode? I want to set keyboard settings in a script.
23:49.54themillthinkUland: sure -- you give the data to debconf in advance and then tell dpkg-reconfigure not to ask any questions of the user by running it in noninteractive mode. /msg dpkg debconf-set-selections
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23:52.05thinkUlandThanks very much, it seems like it is exactly what I need.
23:52.39BrazierCustomssocomm, i would probably give access.
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23:57.01themillthinkUland: note that you can answer these questions in the same way by preseeding the answers to the installer -- no need to do it afterwards in a script
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