| 00:00.52 | abrotman | james41382: you sohuld pastebin your sources.list also |
| 00:01.09 | Nik05 | james41382 maybe handbrake can help, its in the debian repository |
| 00:01.32 | ChibaPet | Seth_Hikaru: Note that they don't explicitly talk about Debian; that said, most of what they say applies to varying degrees, and they do cover a popular Debian derivative that's not safe to name. |
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| 00:01.54 | james41382 | http://paste.debian.net/65359/ |
| 00:02.40 | Seth_Hikaru | Hope I didn't screw anything up. |
| 00:02.57 | Seth_Hikaru | ChibaPet: Not safe to name... |
| 00:03.00 | Nik05 | oh maybe handbrake is just in experimental, thats not going to help |
| 00:03.37 | james41382 | Nik05: I found handbrake in the multimedia repo I installed it... looking for it now. |
| 00:03.39 | ChibaPet | Seth_Hikaru: Humour. They cover Ubuntu. It's unfortunate that they don't cover Debian directly, but I've always enjoyed the series. Sadly, they're not covering any BSDs either nowadays. |
| 00:03.52 | Seth_Hikaru | D: |
| 00:03.56 | Seth_Hikaru | I run pfSense. |
| 00:04.03 | Seth_Hikaru | I love BSD. |
| 00:04.14 | Seth_Hikaru | I need to get a Gentoo box. |
| 00:04.39 | Seth_Hikaru | I attempted it once but lost interest halfway through the process. |
| 00:04.50 | Seth_Hikaru | Also yeah, don't name Ubuntu. |
| 00:04.54 | Seth_Hikaru | :p |
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| 00:05.43 | abrotman | odd, the libavformat54 is in the wheezy repo at DMM |
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| 00:06.24 | Seth_Hikaru | I would do things the complicated way. |
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| 00:06.59 | james41382 | abrotman: What do you think? |
| 00:07.13 | james41382 | Nik05: Have you used handbrake? |
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| 00:08.02 | arthurfiggis | james41382: handbrake isn't really for converting to dvd's, it works well at converting dvd's -to- other formats :) devede does what you want i think, create dvd's out of video clips |
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| 00:08.36 | Nik05 | arthur doesnt he want to rip from dvd? |
| 00:08.47 | james41382 | arthurfiggis: I'm talking about taking a dvd and converting it to a file I can chop out a clip and put into this other project I'm working on. |
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| 00:09.05 | arthurfiggis | Nik05: Oh sorry, i may have misunderstood :) |
| 00:09.21 | james41382 | arthurfiggis: I understand because of what I said earlier. I get it. |
| 00:09.27 | Seth_Hikaru | These drives always had filesystems on them. I formatted and set them for nothing. |
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| 00:09.34 | arthurfiggis | james41382: handbrake would certainly be capable of that then, it primarily converts files to h264/mpeg4 format |
| 00:09.37 | Seth_Hikaru | I'm always doing things the had way. |
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| 00:10.41 | james41382 | arthurfiggis: I installed handbrake, but I don't know how to access it. http://paste.debian.net/65361/ |
| 00:10.45 | Nik05 | james41382 yes used it, but not really sure how to rip from dvd |
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| 00:11.28 | arthurfiggis | james41382: hmm...well, i've never used that repo, but if it's installed you should just have to run "ghb" |
| 00:12.18 | arthurfiggis | Nik05: oh it's not hard at all, you just select the dvd as the source and it automatically picks out the longest title as the one to convert |
| 00:12.46 | james41382 | arthurfiggis: It doesn't look like anything was installed except some docs |
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| 00:13.01 | james41382 | arthurfiggis: I don't see a binary to execute from locate.. |
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| 00:13.48 | arthurfiggis | james41382: hmm...someone else here might be more familiar with the repository you're using, i'm not sure what could be going on there :( i just built it from source as per the instructions on their site |
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| 00:14.15 | james41382 | arthurfiggis: Thanks. Maybe I'll edit sources and see if I can get it from another repo. |
| 00:14.50 | arthurfiggis | james41382: there may be another one out there that has it...and you can always build it yourself :) i'm sure there's probably people here that use it though! |
| 00:15.09 | Nik05 | if the dvd isnt scrambled other wise you proably need libdvdcss (which i think isnt in debian) |
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| 00:15.57 | arthurfiggis | Nik05: well yes, libdvdcss isn't in there for legal reasons...when you build handbrake it automatically pulls in a bunch of libraries itself though, including libdvdcss afaik |
| 00:16.05 | james41382 | Ahh as I thought, when I comment out the multimedia repo apt-cache returns nothing for handbrake.. wierd. arthurfiggis which repo have you d/l it from? |
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| 00:16.33 | arthurfiggis | james41382: oh, as i mentioned i didn't actually get it from a repo :) on the handbrake site they tell you how to build it from source and install, i went that way |
| 00:16.36 | Nik05 | yes james41382 im sorry handbrake is only in experimental |
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| 00:17.13 | james41382 | Oh okay.. I could build it... geez I should be doing homework though. I thought this would take an hour and it's been nearly 4... lol |
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| 00:17.26 | dondelelcaro | james41382: it's in experimental |
| 00:17.35 | dondelelcaro | and it's also on dmm |
| 00:17.58 | james41382 | dondelelcaro: I installed it from dmm, but there weren't any binaries, just stuff in doc and dpkg |
| 00:18.13 | dondelelcaro | james41382: it's probably in handbrake-cli |
| 00:18.57 | lesocratic | How can I translate Debian in fon language ? |
| 00:19.23 | arthurfiggis | james41382: see if there's a handbrake-gtk as well |
| 00:19.27 | zykotick9 | lesocratic: got tired of asking in #ubuntu did you? |
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| 00:20.57 | lesocratic | zykotick9 : Yes I did. Thus I come to a root |
| 00:21.09 | Nik05 | lesocratic as "Debian"? |
| 00:21.33 | lesocratic | Nik05 : Yes |
| 00:22.11 | Nik05 | oh you want to translate stuff to Fon |
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| 00:22.33 | lesocratic | Nik05 : Yes |
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| 00:23.15 | Nik05 | lesocratic rhe debian manual has a chapter about translation |
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| 00:24.52 | lesocratic | Nik05 : I did it. But anything about how translate in fon ... |
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| 00:25.24 | lesocratic | Nik05 : I see only major language such as English french ... |
| 00:25.32 | tomman | Hello there |
| 00:25.42 | tomman | What's the best way to build updated Wine packages for Wheezy/Jessie? |
| 00:25.58 | tomman | I want something that resembles the Debian package structure, but I'm kinda new to .deb packaging |
| 00:26.07 | tomman | (recent RPM convert, etc...) |
| 00:26.25 | tomman | And can't really wait 'till the next freeze for an update. |
| 00:26.35 | ChibaPet | tomman: This is cheating, but I just build those from source and use GNU Stow to manage them. |
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| 00:27.00 | tomman | Yeah, I could do that then, but I want something that somehow "blends" better into Debian |
| 00:27.07 | ChibaPet | tomman: Note, also, that I have a dedicated i386 build box since I deploy on amd64. Building cross-platform is broken even with multiarch. |
| 00:27.13 | tomman | I used to do it all the time under Fedora. |
| 00:27.14 | tomman | Ouch. |
| 00:27.15 | mumpitzel | !tell tomman about ssb |
| 00:27.35 | ChibaPet | !tell ChibaPet about ssb |
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| 00:27.38 | tomman | My only i386 box is some ancient P4 craptop |
| 00:28.00 | tomman | ...where I don't need Wine anway, my targets are all amd64 boxes |
| 00:28.08 | jhutchins_wk | tomman: Doesn't winehq have .deb packages? |
| 00:28.23 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: yes, but they're not always up to date either |
| 00:28.27 | tomman | Nope, they just send me to Debian, or some guy which stopped updating theirs since 1.5 (which is already obsolete) |
| 00:28.31 | ChibaPet | heh |
| 00:29.27 | ChibaPet | jhutchins_wk: not as such |
| 00:29.42 | tomman | At least on Fedora I was able to get the newest tarball, do minimal edits to the .spec file, build, enjoy |
| 00:29.43 | ChibaPet | tomman: My build box is a Xen instance, fwiw. |
| 00:29.50 | tomman | not sure how the hell it does translate to dpkg and friends |
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| 00:30.03 | themill | dpkg: tell tomman about uupdate |
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| 00:30.16 | themill | tomman: a package like wine isn't necessarily trivial to work with |
| 00:30.26 | tomman | Yes, I already know that. |
| 00:30.42 | tomman | it's really picky to build, I'm used to it |
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| 00:31.22 | ChibaPet | themill: The straight source is trivially easy to use, though. It's just the Debian package that's frightening. :) |
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| 00:31.48 | tomman | Last time I tried to build something for multiarch it wasn't exactly a walk in the park, but managed to succeed anyway |
| 00:32.02 | tomman | (it was that patch for libopus/multiarch) |
| 00:32.30 | tomman | Guess that I'll need to free some space on that P4 craptop then, it only has 512MB RAM |
| 00:32.42 | ChibaPet | tomman: At least with Wheezy, there are conflicting builddeps, i386 vs amd64. I don't remember which packages conflicted now, however. |
| 00:33.09 | tomman | Ouch, I forgot that such laptop now runs Jessie... |
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| 00:33.16 | ChibaPet | tomman: If you have a box that can be a Xen dom0, that ends up being a great way to whip up build boxes for various things on short notice. |
| 00:33.29 | apofis | be back later |
| 00:33.33 | tomman | I have nothing like that, sadly :( |
| 00:33.52 | ChibaPet | tomman: You can also do what you want on a faster box using an i386 install inside a chroot, but that requires a modicum of management. Xen was cleaner. |
| 00:34.11 | tomman | My other option would be goimg with something like VirtualBox/VMWare. |
| 00:34.19 | ChibaPet | That'd work too, sure. |
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| 00:34.28 | themill | yeah, you only need a chroot for this no need for full virtualisation |
| 00:34.37 | tomman | Hmmm... |
| 00:34.53 | tomman | any suggestion for that? I'm a total dummy for chroots, never used one. |
| 00:34.55 | ChibaPet | I've actually done it that way personally, before deciding I wanted the whole VM. |
| 00:35.00 | ChibaPet | Let me find a reference for you... |
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| 00:35.13 | themill | dpkg: tell tomman about debootstrap |
| 00:35.37 | themill | tomman: if you want to get fancier then use cowbuilder or schroot on top of that chroot. |
| 00:35.59 | ChibaPet | Alright, that then. As for integration, once I had the build, I still used Stow to manage Wine itself, and I installed multi-arch for the requisite dependencies. Worked very well. |
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| 00:36.21 | ChibaPet | (I didn't actually run it from the chroot.) |
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| 00:37.14 | ChibaPet | I'm heading out, but good luck with it! |
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| 00:40.18 | tomman | VM vs. chroot... |
| 00:40.21 | tomman | Will try both then. |
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| 00:40.34 | tomman | the VM is actually kinda like "cheating", tho :P |
| 00:40.36 | xhc_[slovakia] | hi.. is there many users with debian stable on notebook? :-) |
| 00:40.38 | themill | tomman: pretty much all debian packages are built in chroots |
| 00:40.46 | tomman | Also another question |
| 00:40.55 | tomman | is it possible to build Wheezy packages on a Jessie host? |
| 00:41.03 | tomman | since we're talking about chroots... |
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| 00:41.17 | themill | tomman: in a wheezy chroot on a jessie host, yes |
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| 00:44.37 | arthurfiggis | hmm...i've just been building things and installing them to /usr/local, maybe i need to look into the chroot business :) |
| 00:45.08 | themill | arthurfiggis: chroots are just a way to build things for a different arch, a different release or in a way that permits trivial clean-up afterwards |
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| 00:45.45 | themill | (schroot also lets you install and run things inside the chroot environment really easily too which can let you use things from sid on a wheezy system really easily) |
| 00:45.54 | arthurfiggis | themill: ahh, okay...so if you were amd64 and you wanted to build something for i386 for whatnot, or just didn't want it to wipe anything out by accident :) that makes sense |
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| 00:46.35 | themill | yep. And you're not installing the build-deps on your host so you can just wipe out the chroot and it's all gone |
| 00:46.35 | kuramanga | You could also try using LXC if you want to build for specific stuff. |
| 00:46.49 | kuramanga | It's nicer than a normal chroot and you can spawn and run them in parallel |
| 00:47.09 | themill | sure, but all forms of virtualisation are a lot more work than "debootstrap; chroot /target" |
| 00:47.35 | arthurfiggis | themill: that's definitely handy...i find that a lot of audio software has to pull in jackd development headers, but it's for one version or the other and it always temporarily wipes out one version to install the other :P that would save a lot of hassle |
| 00:47.38 | kuramanga | That is true, but it's a simple case of lxc-create -n deb6 && lxc-start -n deb6 =P |
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| 00:48.04 | themill | arthurfiggis: yes. jack and opus are the usual PITAs |
| 00:48.27 | kuramanga | Although sure in the create you do have to specify an OS name and version name or give it an ISO URL or FS path |
| 00:49.08 | arthurfiggis | themill: that and vlc apparently, it builds and installs fine but then can't find it's own libraries in /usr/local/lib :( not sure what i'm doing wrong there, but that's for vlc i suppose...but thanks for the recommendation! jack is particularly bad for getting blown away so if nothing else it would save time :) |
| 00:49.17 | crash_ | tomman, You could try to use playonlinux, to get the latest wine easier instead of building from source. |
| 00:49.32 | StarFscker | Hey, my sources.list is pretty bare-bones, nothing strange about it at all, yet I am getting "Some index files have failed to download. They have been ignored... etc" errors. |
| 00:49.37 | StarFscker | Let me show you, one sec... |
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| 00:49.42 | arthurfiggis | crash_: actually yes, i forgot about playonlinux...that will automatically pull in the version that works best with a supported program as well |
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| 00:50.15 | tomman | crash_: Not what I'm looking for |
| 00:50.29 | tomman | I'm looking to update my system-wide Wine, not to pair apps with specific Wine builds. |
| 00:50.46 | tomman | my target here are not games anyway :P |
| 00:51.00 | kuramanga | tomman: have you tried using the Ubuntu wine ppa? |
| 00:51.04 | kuramanga | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa |
| 00:51.07 | themill | eww.. no |
| 00:51.18 | kuramanga | Easy way and will probably work. =P |
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| 00:51.39 | StarFscker | http://paste.debian.net/65363/ |
| 00:51.40 | crash_ | tomman, ok it was just a thought to make it easier for you, but a system-wide is better in the long run, instead of be depending on a program itself like playonlinux |
| 00:52.11 | themill | StarFscker: you shouldn't have used debgen. It's crap. |
| 00:52.22 | StarFscker | themill: oh. :c |
| 00:52.38 | tomman | kuramanga: Eh, could be an option. |
| 00:52.48 | themill | tomman: PPAs highly discouraged |
| 00:52.49 | tomman | But still I prefer to target Debian. |
| 00:52.55 | zykotick9 | StarFscker: google and PPAs are NOT "pretty bare-bones" - AT ALL |
| 00:53.01 | tomman | hence I prefer to build my own .debs anyway |
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| 00:53.08 | themill | StarFscker: and to be brutally honest, you shouldn't be trying to run sid if you need to use debgen to write a sources.list |
| 00:53.10 | kuramanga | themill: I agree but sometimes they can make it easy for annoying little things |
| 00:53.37 | StarFscker | zykotick9: I don't see any ppas. |
| 00:53.42 | themill | kuramanga: yeah, it's great when they require the wrong version of libc and you spend hours trying pick all the crap out of your system. |
| 00:53.45 | kuramanga | themill: and wine is one of those very annoying things, but since this is the official ubuntu wine team PPA |
| 00:54.06 | tomman | I already lived that libc hell with Steam (which forced me to update to Jessie anyway :P) |
| 00:54.14 | zykotick9 | StarFscker: check line 8 and 14 to start... |
| 00:54.20 | tomman | Anyway... |
| 00:54.36 | StarFscker | Wait, that's not in my sources.list |
| 00:54.41 | crash_ | did't debian have a up to date wine earlier on the winehq website? but it seems left in the dust now? |
| 00:54.42 | themill | StarFscker: sources.list.d |
| 00:54.43 | tomman | I'm reading the chroot/deboostrap thing, but it doesn't exactly tell me how to create a i386 chroot on amd64 |
| 00:54.49 | StarFscker | oh, I see, a .deb added that |
| 00:54.55 | kuramanga | For when I play games I simply use PlayOnLinux because it handles all the wine shit for me, for everything else I built my own debs and don't use wine. =P |
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| 00:55.02 | themill | tomman: --arch |
| 00:55.14 | StarFscker | where are the ppas located if not in the soures.list? |
| 00:55.22 | mumpitzel | debian has no PPAs |
| 00:55.29 | zykotick9 | StarFscker: see themill above |
| 00:55.33 | kuramanga | StarFscker: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 00:55.35 | StarFscker | mumpitzel: tell that to my computer |
| 00:55.39 | mumpitzel | !ppa |
| 00:55.39 | dpkg | [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>. |
| 00:55.40 | StarFscker | aaaaah, thanks. |
| 00:55.51 | StarFscker | I'll be getting rid of those, then |
| 00:55.58 | themill | bit late... |
| 00:56.10 | StarFscker | sources.list.d is empty |
| 00:56.12 | kuramanga | Although Debian does not support PPAs as such, Chrome for example installs a custom sources.list as do some other programs, like Firefox/Thunderbird |
| 00:56.18 | themill | StarFscker: you have a mixture of debian, ubuntu as well as lots of third party repos there. You also seem not to know enough about debian to solve the problems you will hit when trying to run sid. You'll find a lot of people will just walk away from your frankendebian |
| 00:56.22 | StarFscker | wait, my bad it's a folder |
| 00:56.25 | StarFscker | :wq |
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| 00:56.29 | StarFscker | disregard |
| 00:56.32 | kuramanga | =P |
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| 00:57.17 | tomman | OK, I'll do two chroots then, both for i386. |
| 00:57.23 | tomman | one for Wheezy, one for Jessie. |
| 00:58.06 | kuramanga | StarFscker: be sure to make a back up of the files by the way... |
| 00:58.23 | tomman | I'm also used to frankendistros(tm) |
| 00:58.36 | tomman | used to be on a Fedora Core.. 6 laptop 'till late 2012! |
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| 00:59.05 | tomman | a mixture of /usr/local hell, custom-built kernels, outdated crap, and custom-built RPMs. |
| 00:59.12 | zykotick9 | kuramanga: you seem to be giving poor debian advice... PPAs, Firefox, THunderbird... |
| 00:59.13 | tomman | More Frankendistro than that, unlikely :D |
| 00:59.32 | tomman | Meh, for Firefox I just download upstream tarball and install it somewhere in /opt |
| 00:59.37 | kuramanga | zykotick9: actually I was helping him with removing the PPAs in that instance |
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| 00:59.55 | kuramanga | zykotick9 and explaining how he may have some on Debian without creating them himself |
| 00:59.56 | tomman | getting that added to the alternatives system is another joy in itself |
| 01:00.01 | zykotick9 | kuramanga: you can't really remove a PPA, the damage is already done... IMO. apt doesn't downgrade... |
| 01:00.04 | StarFscker | http://paste.debian.net/65364/ Now I think there is no excuse; other than maybe needing to point my source.list elsewhere |
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| 01:00.23 | kuramanga | zykotick9: it was more a case of the PPAs giving a 404 |
| 01:00.25 | themill | tomman: I can't say I'd bother doing that just to change an icon |
| 01:00.55 | tomman | Not exactly for an icon |
| 01:01.03 | themill | StarFscker: sid is lowercase. sid has no updates branch. You really are demonstrating to me that your life is going to be a pain if you run sid. |
| 01:01.04 | tomman | on Wheezy you're stuck anyway with 10.x |
| 01:01.05 | StarFscker | kuramanga: I deleted those ppas. |
| 01:01.13 | abrotman | tomman: see mozilla.debian.net |
| 01:01.13 | StarFscker | themill: shush. |
| 01:01.19 | themill | tomman: you're not. v17 is in debian and v25 is at mozilla.debian.net |
| 01:01.21 | tomman | I've been doing it on every distro I've ever used anyway. |
| 01:01.31 | StarFscker | I've been running sid for about half a year now without many issues. I'm just doing cleanup, now. |
| 01:01.46 | themill | so this has been broken for months and you've not noticed? |
| 01:02.20 | StarFscker | never had a reason to care. I just assumed that one of the PPAs that Chrome or Skype or something installed were acting up and ignored it. |
| 01:02.27 | kuramanga | StarFscker: there is no Sid-updates directory on the server - http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
| 01:02.41 | kuramanga | StarFscker: hence the 404 |
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| 01:02.51 | tomman | themill: Oh, didn't noticed that Wheezy got v17. |
| 01:02.56 | StarFscker | kuramanga: I figured as much, I just gotta track down where they're located otherwise. |
| 01:02.57 | tomman | Still I'm happy with my current solution. |
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| 01:03.11 | themill | StarFscker: and sid updates doesn't make sense to have in any case. Hence my comments... |
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| 01:04.07 | StarFscker | so I can just nuke the sid-updates lines? |
| 01:04.21 | StarFscker | or just the updates part? |
| 01:04.32 | kuramanga | I dunno what to suggest there to be honest. |
| 01:04.36 | kuramanga | I haven't run unstable in a while. |
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| 01:05.00 | StarFscker | it's a lot more stable than any other unstable distro I've ever tried. |
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| 01:05.09 | kuramanga | Indeed it is. |
| 01:05.17 | kuramanga | I used to use testing personally. |
| 01:05.29 | themill | this isn't a matter of suggesting, this is a matter of running the development branch and not knowing how the development is done. |
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| 01:05.51 | StarFscker | I remember leaving Fedora a couple years ago because I did a yum upgrade and suddenly my window manager was replaced by something ugly as hell |
| 01:05.54 | kuramanga | themill: I agree but it's better to try to get it fixed than to not... |
| 01:06.01 | StarFscker | I had emerald and that package maintainer was sick of maintaining that. |
| 01:06.28 | tomman | The sole reason of why I moved from stable to testing? Games. Steam. And even some FOSS gaming-related stuff (like Dolphin). |
| 01:06.45 | tomman | can't really stand backporting the universe and a half just to play something. |
| 01:07.00 | tomman | On my non-gaming system, Wheezy is more than enough. |
| 01:07.45 | StarFscker | I went from testing to unstable just so I could get xfce 4.8 (with the tiling options! oooh!) without screwing up a bunch of dependencies. |
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| 01:08.10 | tomman | I'm not crazy enough to move to Sid permanently... yet. |
| 01:08.11 | kuramanga | StarFscker: check PM |
| 01:08.13 | StarFscker | I had backported it on my other laptop, but then I got a new one... actually had this one since February, no re-imaging. |
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| 01:12.53 | tomman | Do I have to become root/su every single time I want to enter my chroot? |
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| 01:13.41 | tomman | (i.e. can't build stuff using a regular user IN the chroot) |
| 01:13.43 | tomman | ? |
| 01:14.49 | themill | chrooting requires a capability only given to root, yes. You can, however, use a helper like schroot to enter the chroots (and set up bind mounts etc). Or create a user inside the chroot for the purposes of the build and then drop privs inside the chroot |
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| 01:25.26 | tomman | Also, what's the best way to give my chroot access to other filesystem places, like my homedir? |
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| 01:27.27 | nafg | Hi, can someone help me with preseeding the Ubuntu installer? I understand it's essentially the debian installer. |
| 01:27.30 | nafg | I guess the first question would be, how can I tell whether my preseed file is actually being loaded? |
| 01:27.52 | mumpitzel | nafg: we do not support ubuntu. please ask in #ubuntu |
| 01:28.02 | nafg | mumpitzel: I know, I' |
| 01:28.08 | mumpitzel | !tell nafg about ubuntu |
| 01:28.10 | nafg | I'm asking about the debian installer |
| 01:28.17 | nafg | let's pretend i'm using debian |
| 01:28.27 | nafg | I think it's the same answer anyway |
| 01:28.39 | mumpitzel | a lie makes baby jesus cry. you don't want to do that |
| 01:28.45 | mumpitzel | nafg: please stop. you won't get support here |
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| 01:29.13 | nafg | In the debian installer, how can I verify it's loading the preseed? |
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| 01:32.47 | themill | tomman: schroot. |
| 01:32.57 | themill | tomman: (specifically, a bind mount) |
| 01:33.47 | dvs | schroots themill |
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| 01:41.43 | tomman | Fun... Good that I was bored tonight :P |
| 01:42.13 | tomman | the VM sounds like a better idea, but hey, "experience with chroots" looks so sexy on my CV... |
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| 01:49.52 | tomman | Hmmm, schroot added mount points for my /home and /tmp. |
| 01:50.07 | tomman | (I just copied the example at the wiki page) |
| 01:50.10 | tomman | Neato. |
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| 01:54.00 | tomman | Is it safe to use my own user for schroot? |
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| 01:55.09 | themill | tomman: depends what you're doing |
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| 01:55.29 | tomman | I just need to build things for i386, that's all. |
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| 01:55.36 | tomman | It will be the sole use for my chroot. |
| 01:55.38 | themill | and whether you think there might be bugs that will accidently rm -rf something immportant |
| 01:55.45 | themill | -m |
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| 02:00.08 | indes | Hello - Having an impossible time finding exact source for the kernel image I'm running. The headers appear to not have dvb headers (if someone could point at a different package with them, that's fine also..) apt-get source seems to pull an svn version or something. |
| 02:00.11 | indes | Any ideas? |
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| 02:01.48 | themill | indes: the linux-headers-$(uname -r) package is probably what you want (and also the relevant linux-kbuild* package quite likely) |
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| 02:03.09 | indes | themill, I am attempting to compile a module which seemingly looks for a directory called v4l-dvb/linux which of course, I cannot find. |
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| 02:03.28 | indes | unless of course this driver is awefully outdated. :\ |
| 02:03.48 | tomman | themill: OK, changed my mind. I decided to create a user inside the sandbox instead |
| 02:03.57 | tomman | How I deal with that case with schroot? |
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| 02:07.43 | zz0 | need a help with cluster resources... im using pacemaker, need to add crm anything resource to run any process betwen node |
| 02:08.09 | indes | themill, I've figured the problem. cheers. :) |
| 02:08.55 | dvs | which is...? |
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| 02:17.45 | ChibaPet | kuramanga: Are you saying that LXC isn't hopelessly broken in Wheezy? |
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| 02:20.14 | kuramanga | ChibaPet: wasn't saying that, never really used it much on Wheezy |
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| 02:20.43 | ChibaPet | kuramanga: I love that level of virtualization, and really wanted it to work. It's dead as a doornail in Wheezy, unfortunately. |
| 02:20.50 | kuramanga | Was simply saying it's a nice way to test something out against a different distro/version or for building something |
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| 02:21.23 | kuramanga | ChibaPet: that's a shame, I think LXC is really nice also. I tend to build it from source though |
| 02:22.02 | ChibaPet | kuramanga: There are workarounds for the Wheezy version. Never tried it from source. I'd like to use that in place of Xen for several tasks. |
| 02:23.03 | ChibaPet | kuramanga: Do you run it on Jessie or something? |
| 02:23.12 | kuramanga | ChibaPet: yeah it has a lot of plus points for simplicity. Have you thought about KVM? |
| 02:23.33 | ChibaPet | Unless I'm badly confused, KVM is the same style of virtualization as Xen... |
| 02:24.09 | kuramanga | ChibaPet: I actually mostly use it on an Ubuntu 12.04 box since the OS I use is deliberately the same as my companies servers. And I find KVM is easier to get to grips with than Xen |
| 02:24.10 | ChibaPet | Is there some way to use KVM that's more akin to what LXC/jails/containers do? |
| 02:24.42 | ChibaPet | Ah. I'm pretty happy with Xen. I mostly want to move to LXC to reduce wasted cycles on a fairly fixed set of services. |
| 02:24.44 | kuramanga | ChibaPet: I do not believe so, no. |
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| 02:25.13 | ChibaPet | I don't need to worry about migration ever, so LXC is the sweet spot. I've just been hoping the package maintainer would fix it so it works out of the box. |
| 02:25.43 | kuramanga | ChibaPet: that's fair enough, real shame it's broken in Wheezy 'cos it is a very nice piece of software |
| 02:26.40 | ChibaPet | My only qualm with it is that I managed to completely corrupt my networking stack somehow when I tried it the first time. No clue how, but I actually had to reboot. Embarassing. |
| 02:27.11 | kuramanga | Probably messed up the iptables rules I guess |
| 02:27.55 | kuramanga | I find it's quite stable these days, a lot better than it used to be. Although the networking stuff can be annoying. |
| 02:27.58 | ChibaPet | No, it wasn't that - it was something deeper in the kernel. I didn't put a lot of time into exploring as it was too critical a system to leave broken. :P |
| 02:28.31 | ChibaPet | The networking seemed largely similar to Xen - setting up bridges for the guest "systems". |
| 02:28.36 | ChibaPet | I'll give it another go soon. |
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| 02:29.24 | kuramanga | Ah ok. I use it with libvirt. |
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| 02:29.38 | phil5 | Is there is debian imap packages that will work with sendmail please> |
| 02:29.42 | phil5 | Is there is debian imap packages that will work with sendmail please? Sorry |
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| 02:30.00 | ChibaPet | phil5: sendmail is an MTA, and IMAP servers are largely unrelated. |
| 02:30.26 | ChibaPet | phil5: That said, Dovecot is probably the most popular IMAP server available at the moment. Other choices are uw-imap, Courier IMAP. |
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| 02:30.47 | phil5 | If I install dove-imap it will install the dove mail server? |
| 02:30.51 | kuramanga | phil5: I agree with ChibaPet, Dovecot is what I would recommend |
| 02:30.52 | phil5 | If I install dove-imap it will not install the dove mail server? |
| 02:30.54 | tomman | OK, my chroot is mostly done |
| 02:31.09 | ChibaPet | dovecot, not dove, and it doesn't to my knowledge include an MTA |
| 02:31.10 | tomman | had some pain setting up the fstab for schroot, but finally I found a reasonable compromise |
| 02:31.11 | kuramanga | phil5: it will install the dovecot IMAP server, which will not affect sendmail's outgoing MTA |
| 02:31.22 | phil5 | Ty |
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| 02:31.55 | ChibaPet | tomman: I haven't played with schroot - just did mine in a plain-vanilla chroot. |
| 02:31.58 | themill | phil5: you might want to rethink your choice of sendmail too. Something a little easier to work with and a little more modern might be worth it |
| 02:32.03 | kuramanga | phil5: If you're interested I have an article on setting up Dovecot, although the article is aimed at Postfix + SASL users it should work fine for sednmail |
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| 02:32.06 | kuramanga | *sendmail |
| 02:32.18 | ChibaPet | themill: Bigot! Sendmail is lovely and modern. :P |
| 02:32.23 | tomman | ChibaPet: Actually it is better because I don't have to su every single time to enter my chroot |
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| 02:32.35 | tomman | plus it's much easier to do the mounts and stuff... |
| 02:32.40 | tomman | Now to build some packages! |
| 02:32.45 | tomman | ...hopefully |
| 02:33.02 | ChibaPet | That said... phil5: What he said. My personal recommendation is Postfix, although there are a lot of Exim fans out there. Both are arguably simpler to configure than Sendmail. |
| 02:33.29 | kuramanga | Both are much easier to configure than sendmail, lol. Although Exim is a beast... |
| 02:33.50 | phil5 | So it would be ok then to disable pop3 if I am using imap? |
| 02:34.07 | kuramanga | Yes, with Dovecot you simply install the IMAP version and ignore pop3 |
| 02:34.16 | kuramanga | And then you will not have a pop3 service at all. |
| 02:34.21 | phil5 | ty |
| 02:34.27 | ChibaPet | My only gripe about Sendmail is how painful it is to do masquerading for multiple domains. Then again, it makes UUCP integration really easy. =blows some dust off= |
| 02:34.52 | kuramanga | My gripe with sendmail is it's configuration system in general. |
| 02:35.12 | ChibaPet | sendmail.mc is far easier to grok than Postfix's main.conf :P |
| 02:35.20 | ChibaPet | main.cf* |
| 02:35.28 | ChibaPet | And by that I mean master.cf |
| 02:35.32 | kuramanga | I respectfully disagree! |
| 02:35.41 | tomman | Now I'll try replicating what I've done so far and create my Jessie chroot |
| 02:36.06 | ChibaPet | Alright, off to do some projects. Cheers! |
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| 02:37.04 | kuramanga | My stupid XChat keeps sending a growl for that message you sent me ages ago ChibaPet, it won't stop... |
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| 02:39.25 | azio_m | i should set the bootable flag of the swap partition to on or off? |
| 02:39.57 | kuramanga | Off |
| 02:41.03 | azio_m | kuramanga: thanks.. and / & /home should be primary not logical, correct? |
| 02:41.04 | dvs | azio_m: you can only set one partition with the boot flag |
| 02:42.05 | zykotick9 | azio_m: btw, grub doesn't even look at the boot flag. primary vs logical, depends on your partition setup, but shouldn't matter eitehr way. |
| 02:42.10 | ChibaPet | kuramanga: Was it a very important message? :P |
| 02:42.41 | azio_m | ok thanks guys |
| 02:43.04 | kuramanga | ChibaPet: it was your one about LXC, the first one. But my XChat went nuts. I had to kill -9 it 'cos it wouldn't die naturally. |
| 02:43.25 | ChibaPet | It's angry about the state of LXC as well, evidently. I can understand its frustration. |
| 02:43.37 | ChibaPet | (Sorry it's misbehaving!) |
| 02:43.45 | kuramanga | I couldn't deal with it beeping it's notifications at me any more. |
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| 02:44.23 | tomman | Another question: I'm going to build packages for both Wheezy and Jessie |
| 02:44.36 | tomman | do I need to create two separate chroots for each release? |
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| 02:44.52 | tomman | Or it's enough to build everything in the Wheezy jail? |
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| 02:45.23 | ChibaPet | tomman: packages, or tarballs? Either way, you want a Wheezy chroot to build Wheezy packages, and a Jessie chroot to build Jessie, unless you want to build some of them in the host environment, with the potential lack of boundaries that implies. |
| 02:45.41 | tomman | Packages as in .deb |
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| 02:46.22 | ChibaPet | You're going to have Wheezy libraries to link against in the Wheezy chroot, etc. I'm not sure how you'd want to go about setting up a Jessie build environment in the Wheezy chroot. |
| 02:47.37 | tomman | So I should not assume that a package built for Wheezy might not work properly on Jessie, right? |
| 02:48.29 | ChibaPet | If it depends on libraries or other packages that haven't shifted, then it could work, but I would not assume. |
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| 02:54.32 | azio_m | i forgot to choose Xfce when starting the installation. which desktop environment will i end with? |
| 02:55.00 | dvs | azio_m: gnome |
| 02:55.12 | mitc0185 | I'm installing a non-debian version of tomcat (straight from apache) into /opt. What's the best way to get an init script set up so I can get it to start with the system? |
| 02:55.25 | mumpitze1 | if you didn't chose any: none. if you chose the default, then it depends on which install medium you used |
| 02:55.25 | azio_m | dvs: 3? |
| 02:55.36 | dvs | for debian 7 yes |
| 02:55.42 | mumpitze1 | mitc0185: write it. look at the tomcat script for hints |
| 02:56.02 | mumpitze1 | azio_m: which installer did you use? |
| 02:56.22 | azio_m | mumpitze1: debian-7.2.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 02:56.39 | mumpitze1 | that installs gnome if you install a DE with tasksel |
| 02:57.16 | mitc0185 | mumpitze1: so that's the typical approach? I figured I could do that but also thought it might be something that's been done before, so maybe there's an established way to do it |
| 02:57.40 | mumpitze1 | no there is no automatic way to write a init script |
| 02:58.36 | mitc0185 | sure |
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| 02:58.46 | mitc0185 | I will probably snag the one from the tomcat7 package in sid though |
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| 03:03.28 | blocky | why the heck did nexus 4 not implement usb mass storage |
| 03:03.47 | dvs | ??? |
| 03:03.53 | mumpitze1 | cause since android 4 it's MTP _only_ |
| 03:04.10 | mumpitze1 | google decision. so why would google use mass storage again on any one of their phones? |
| 03:05.03 | blocky | because it allows multiple concurrent operations and the ability to modify a file without completely reuploading it |
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| 03:05.36 | mumpitze1 | it also doesn't allow the phone and the PC to use the card at the same time |
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| 03:06.27 | blocky | mumpitze1: too bad mtpfs has been broken for over a year in debian stable/testing |
| 03:06.36 | kandinski | In upgrading from squeeze to wheezy, postfix exits with an error "service mail-transport-agent already provided!". How can I find which package provides that service? |
| 03:07.52 | themill | kandinski: perhaps you could pastebin the error -- it sounds like an insserv error not postfix |
| 03:08.08 | kandinski | insserv: script postfix: service mail-transport-agent already provided! |
| 03:08.16 | kandinski | yes, it's an insserv error |
| 03:08.23 | mumpitze1 | blocky: "Unfortunately my only MTP device finally died on me, so a fix is |
| 03:08.23 | mumpitze1 | unlikely to be forthcoming (and should now put this package up for |
| 03:08.28 | mumpitze1 | adoption).. |
| 03:08.39 | kandinski | themill, sorry for mispasting |
| 03:08.49 | kandinski | do you need the whole of it? |
| 03:08.51 | blocky | mumpitze1: where does it say that? am i crazy for considering trying to fix it? |
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| 03:09.28 | themill | kandinski: there will be another script in /etc/init.d that has that in its header. «aptitude search ~Pmail-transport-agent» might be enlightening here |
| 03:09.37 | mumpitze1 | blocky: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=654939 and I would look at simple-mtpfs |
| 03:09.42 | veronica23 | hi guys in debian how am i supposed to install wine |
| 03:09.51 | mumpitze1 | not existent in debian however |
| 03:09.51 | veronica23 | i want to install office 2007 |
| 03:10.03 | mumpitze1 | veronica23: apt-get install wine ? |
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| 03:10.10 | veronica23 | yep i did that |
| 03:10.19 | mumpitze1 | congrats. now wine is installed |
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| 03:10.34 | veronica23 | but then i ran /media/cdrom/setup.exe |
| 03:10.41 | veronica23 | and it says permission denied |
| 03:10.47 | veronica23 | and im runnind it as root |
| 03:10.49 | kandinski | themill, thanks for that |
| 03:10.49 | veronica23 | ?? |
| 03:10.56 | veronica23 | mumixam: |
| 03:11.03 | veronica23 | mumpitze1: |
| 03:11.21 | blocky | veronica23: wine /media/cdrom/setup.exe |
| 03:12.01 | mumpitze1 | veronica23: and also read http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=4992 |
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| 03:13.58 | veronica23 | ho it says i need to install some other package dpkg --add-architecture i386;apt-get update; apt-get install wine-bin:i386 |
| 03:13.59 | veronica23 | enable multiarch (the last command installs 32-bit wine): |
| 03:14.05 | veronica23 | :) ty |
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| 03:15.11 | kandinski | themill, do you mind taking a look? |
| 03:15.12 | kandinski | http://paste.lisp.org/display/139880 |
| 03:16.52 | themill | kandinski: you have old config files lying around from a few packages. "aptitude search ~c" to see which packages; "aptitude purge ~c" to clean up. |
| 03:17.23 | kandinski | themill, I want to keep the config files |
| 03:17.44 | kandinski | this is a working system. I don't installed it, but I think mailman was working via postfix |
| 03:18.05 | themill | kandinski: these are config files for packages that you have removed |
| 03:18.30 | kandinski | themill: sure, but I'm not sure that I don't want the configuration anymore. |
| 03:18.39 | kandinski | the question I have is why won't postfix just install? |
| 03:18.42 | themill | then back up the config files elsewhere |
| 03:18.48 | kandinski | fair enough |
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| 03:19.04 | themill | and this has been a problem on your machine since lenny.... there's some spring cleaning to do there. |
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| 03:20.08 | kandinski | pwow, themill |
| 03:20.29 | kandinski | aptitude purge ~c wants to clean apache2-common and base-config |
| 03:20.40 | kandinski | those being the first two on the list |
| 03:20.48 | kandinski | I probably don't want to clean that up |
| 03:20.54 | veronica23 | is there a way to determine apache behavior via virtual ip and say ok this set o ips should go this route in the network and this other set of ips should go a different rout in the network?? |
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| 03:21.42 | themill | kandinski: except that you'll be using apache2.2-common instead. apache2-common went away quite a few releases ago |
| 03:21.48 | veronica23 | i mean ips from serveral clients |
| 03:21.49 | themill | same for base-config |
| 03:22.01 | kandinski | themill, fair enough |
| 03:22.18 | kandinski | I purged xmail and exim4, and postfix installed and is running |
| 03:22.22 | kandinski | so that much works |
| 03:22.32 | kandinski | I have a similar problem with mysql5.5 |
| 03:22.50 | kandinski | I mean, similar in the sense that the problem arose when upgrading from squeeze |
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| 03:24.02 | kandinski | themill: email and lists now working, thanks a lot |
| 03:24.21 | firespeaker | how do I specify the architecture (for multiarch) for a dummy package I'm making via equivs |
| 03:24.25 | firespeaker | doesn't seem to be in the docs |
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| 03:26.13 | firespeaker | ah, nevermind, seems straightforward |
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| 03:26.50 | wjtaylor | what's the best way to intall java in squeeze? |
| 03:27.23 | dvs | wjtaylor: it's probably already there. |
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| 03:27.42 | veronica23 | yeah but in the official packages java comes version 6 |
| 03:27.45 | veronica23 | old |
| 03:28.15 | veronica23 | there might be some other repositories for newer versions |
| 03:28.23 | dvs | veronica23: aptitude install openjdk-7-jre |
| 03:28.38 | themill | wjtaylor: upgrading to wheezy and using openjdk-7 would be your best bet |
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| 03:29.46 | gr33n7007h | wjtaylor, --> http://blog.retep.org/2013/04/13/installing-java-7-on-debian-squeeze/ |
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| 03:30.41 | wjtaylor | I installed firefox. Should I have it in my browser, if I am running the open jdk-7? |
| 03:30.47 | dvs | that dont look nice |
| 03:31.16 | wjtaylor | ? |
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| 03:34.38 | LtL | veronica23: this site will get you java 7 in squeeze. http://www.duinsoft.nl/packages.php?t=en |
| 03:35.20 | veronica23 | ty but it wasnt my question... my questio was is there a way to determine apache behavior via virtual ip and say ok this set o ips should go this route in the network and this other set of ips should go a different rout in the network?? |
| 03:37.23 | mumpitze1 | that's not apache, that is your routing table |
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| 03:39.25 | veronica23 | where is that routing table mumpitza1? |
| 03:39.46 | azio_m | i come from ubuntu and i just installed debian successfully. how do i install software? is there something like ubuntu software centre or i should use the command line? |
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| 03:40.51 | veronica23 | mumpitze1: i see, and on top of that routing table i apply apache virtual ip right? |
| 03:41.14 | mumpitze1 | apache has no virtual ip, only virtual hosts |
| 03:41.25 | wjtaylor | azio_m: synaptic |
| 03:41.40 | mumpitze1 | veronica23: the routing table is part of the kernel. run /sbin/route |
| 03:41.48 | veronica23 | ... ok on top of that virtual host? |
| 03:41.51 | zykotick9 | azio_m: personally i'd suggest learning command line apt-get or aptitude. but in GUI land there is synaptic and actually Software Center (if you must) |
| 03:41.54 | wjtaylor | azio_myou can also use apt-get, both are the same in ubuntu |
| 03:41.59 | blocky | why am i only getting 200kb/s from ftp.us.debian.org |
| 03:42.03 | veronica23 | mumpitze1: |
| 03:42.04 | mumpitze1 | veronica23: do you have a multihomed webserver? |
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| 03:43.09 | dvs | blocky: use http.debian.net instead. |
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| 03:44.13 | veronica23 | mumpitze1: in my job they are thinking in a network architect of 2 master servers and one apche virtualhost on top of that |
| 03:44.43 | mumpitze1 | veronica23: what has this to do with multihoming? |
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| 03:45.20 | blocky | dvs usd netselect-apt and it picked http://mirror.peer1.net/debian/ but i just realized it lied about writing sources.list |
| 03:45.33 | veronica23 | may nothing i just wanna learn how could that be |
| 03:45.40 | veronica23 | *maybe |
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| 03:46.12 | blocky | from 160kB/s to ~1MB/s |
| 03:46.27 | mumpitze1 | !tell blocky about wheezy sources.list |
| 03:46.39 | mumpitze1 | blocky: use http.debian.net as dvs suggested |
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| 03:50.07 | veronica23 | mumpitze1: is this a good idea to use an apche virtual host and rounting tables? |
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| 03:51.07 | mumpitze1 | veronica23: you always use routing tables. and most sites use virtualhosts too |
| 03:51.37 | firespeaker | hm, why would equivs-build not output a .deb ? |
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| 03:55.57 | Lorcatar | Hello |
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| 03:56.35 | civillian | Lorcatar: good afternoon |
| 03:56.41 | indes | Good Evening! |
| 03:56.59 | civillian | kiwi? |
| 03:57.06 | indes | Canadian? |
| 03:57.09 | civillian | oh |
| 03:57.12 | m00n | so the gcc package in wheezy is older than the oldest supported gcc version.. I can compile from source but then i have a gcc package that i need to either add to my path or directly reference if i want to compile anything. Granted i could use makefiles, but im wondering what the best way to just update the symlinks in /usr/bin is, if there is one |
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| 03:57.26 | indes | civillian, could be worse, I suppose. |
| 03:57.46 | civillian | yes it could |
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| 04:07.49 | themill | m00n: you don't need to update symlinks in /usr/bin (and shouldn't). The build system should be able to do this for you by setting CC=gcc-4.8 (or whatever) |
| 04:08.10 | themill | (also, what is this thing that can't be compiled with gcc 4.7?) |
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| 04:10.38 | m00n | using c++11, and because i like new stuff. Its also just a way for me to learn snippets of linux |
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| 04:12.08 | DoverMo | m00n, C++Tran |
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| 04:13.42 | m00n | what |
| 04:13.45 | m00n | ? |
| 04:13.52 | DoverMo | m00n, use c++tran |
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| 04:14.09 | m00n | to be honest, im not sure what that is |
| 04:14.28 | DoverMo | m00n, neiyther do i |
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| 04:16.40 | firespeaker | hm, known issue |
| 04:16.40 | firespeaker | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/12/msg01245.html |
| 04:16.47 | firespeaker | anyone know the answer to this question? |
| 04:16.53 | firespeaker | "But why can't you build i386 debs on an amd64 system? And why could I once? " |
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| 04:21.43 | zykotick9 | firespeaker: fyi, there was discussion earlier about using chroot for that very purpose |
| 04:23.41 | firespeaker | zykotick9: oh? |
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| 04:26.10 | blocky | why did upgrading to jessie remove rhythmbox? |
| 04:26.35 | DoverMo | blocky, it shuld be in da gnome Packz |
| 04:27.01 | blocky | hasn't been replaced as default media player, has it? |
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| 04:27.49 | DoverMo | blocky, it's default in 'gnome' |
| 04:28.08 | blocky | ah okay, strange that gnome was installed and it wasn't |
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| 04:29.28 | DoverMo | blocky, yep. maybe apt was just a little slow in the upgrade |
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| 04:32.23 | blocky | DoverMo: could it have to do with switching to xfce? |
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| 04:33.45 | DoverMo | blocky, perhaps. if xfce was the default, the gnome associations could have been removed |
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| 04:34.54 | firespeaker | bah, screw it, I'm trying to install an otherwise 64bit system but with 32bit video drivers |
| 04:35.00 | firespeaker | bad idea in the first place, probably won't work |
| 04:35.08 | firespeaker | starts over with 32bit |
| 04:35.24 | mumpitze1 | cannot work. you can however use a 32bit system with a 64bit kernel. including 32bit videdrivers (e.g. nvidia) |
| 04:35.25 | DoverMo | firespeaker, yeah but your clock will run out in 2038 |
| 04:36.00 | firespeaker | mumpitze1: does having a 64bit kernel do any good in such a case? |
| 04:36.01 | mumpitze1 | firespeaker: if your xorg is 64bit, its videodrivers must be too. and if you have a 64bit xorg you also have a 64bit kernel |
| 04:36.28 | firespeaker | DoverMo: I don't get it... |
| 04:36.37 | DoverMo | firespeaker, nothing xD |
| 04:36.44 | firespeaker | mumpitze1: yeah, but having 32bit xorg on top of 64bit everything else probably won't work, eh? |
| 04:37.11 | mumpitze1 | firespeaker: it probably will |
| 04:37.30 | firespeaker | really? |
| 04:37.40 | mumpitze1 | firespeaker: but if you go this route, use a 64bit kernel only and use a complete 32bit userland. e.g. debian i386 with a amd64 kernel |
| 04:37.57 | firespeaker | okay, that's not what I said |
| 04:38.08 | firespeaker | by "64bit everything else" I meant userland |
| 04:38.12 | firespeaker | except for xorg |
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| 04:38.56 | firespeaker | which seems unrealistic |
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| 04:39.41 | mumpitze1 | firespeaker: should still work |
| 04:40.03 | firespeaker | really? |
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| 04:40.20 | firespeaker | 64bit userland + 32bit xorg? |
| 04:40.42 | firespeaker | now I have to do some package magic to make that happen |
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| 04:42.28 | firespeaker | so dpkg doesn't want xserver-xorg-core:amd64 and :i386 to coexist |
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| 04:43.00 | zykotick9 | mumpitze1: you said "use a 64bit kernel only and use a complete 32bit userland" but i think now firespeaker believe he can have 64bit kernel + 64bit userland (with only Xorg 32bit). is that really possible/likely? |
| 04:43.42 | mumpitze1 | zykotick9: not in debian as he just found out. without package management: yes. you can have 32bit X clients on your 64bit server so the other way around should work too |
| 04:44.42 | zykotick9 | ummmm, interesting [not something i'd do, but interesting]. thanks mumpitze1 |
| 04:44.56 | firespeaker | so there's no real limitation, the limitation is in package management only |
| 04:45.00 | mumpitze1 | why one would want to do such a thing is beyond me however |
| 04:45.12 | firespeaker | tries some dpkg magic |
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| 04:45.32 | mumpitze1 | firespeaker: what hardware is this that you need a 32bit X server? |
| 04:45.38 | beardtree | Hi, how do I check which /etc files differ from the package maintainer's version? |
| 04:45.47 | mumpitze1 | and why is 64bit kernel not good enough? |
| 04:45.49 | firespeaker | 64bit kernel is fine |
| 04:45.52 | firespeaker | it's the xserver driver |
| 04:45.54 | firespeaker | intel something |
| 04:46.02 | mumpitze1 | what hardware is this? |
| 04:46.18 | zykotick9 | beardtree: you just askin in #ubuntu a few seconds ago 1) don't x-post and 2) keep ubuntu in #ubuntu |
| 04:46.22 | firespeaker | GMA 3150 |
| 04:46.42 | beardtree | This is a Debian issue actually |
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| 04:47.16 | mumpitze1 | firespeaker: this is supported by debian out of the box |
| 04:47.38 | firespeaker | mumpitze1: hmmmmm |
| 04:47.43 | firespeaker | oh crap |
| 04:47.52 | firespeaker | I'm doing all this package management using debian live cd |
| 04:47.58 | firespeaker | but the OS on the system is somehow ubuntu |
| 04:48.11 | DoverMo | beardtree, libraries have different versions based on arch |
| 04:48.41 | beardtree | Does anyone know the answer to my question? |
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| 04:48.50 | firespeaker | mumpitze1: what debian package has the 64bit driver for that? |
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| 04:50.06 | mumpitze1 | firespeaker: xserver-xorg-video-intel only the powevr derived ones aren't supported normally |
| 04:50.25 | firespeaker | hmmm |
| 04:50.29 | tomman | Wow, my chroot jails are growing fatter... |
| 04:50.36 | tomman | now let's try building some Wine there |
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| 04:51.10 | firespeaker | mumpitze1: it uses vesa though |
| 04:51.10 | DoverMo | tomman, wine is not good in excess |
| 04:51.13 | firespeaker | which is weird |
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| 04:52.21 | firespeaker | huh, the chroot of the OS (from a debian live boot) loads X just fine |
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| 04:53.27 | firespeaker | loads the intel driver too |
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| 04:54.03 | mumpitze1 | firespeaker: why are you playing around with livecds and stuff? |
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| 04:54.35 | firespeaker | because I can't get much past a bare recovery prompt with the main OS atm |
| 04:54.44 | firespeaker | mostly issues with networking |
| 04:54.57 | mumpitze1 | then fix your debian first. then fix your xorg |
| 04:54.57 | firespeaker | but X doesn't start right either |
| 04:55.18 | firespeaker | I think I'm just missing some crucial package |
| 04:55.27 | firespeaker | which is what I'm working on |
| 04:55.34 | firespeaker | I thought it was some 64bit incompatibility |
| 04:55.38 | firespeaker | but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore |
| 04:55.42 | mumpitze1 | very unlikely. both |
| 04:55.54 | mumpitze1 | what is your networking problem? with what networking chip? |
| 04:56.22 | firespeaker | it's not the chip; the live cd works fine (I'm calling wpa_supplicant manually) |
| 04:56.34 | mumpitze1 | please answer the questions |
| 04:56.37 | firespeaker | but stuff locks up on the main OS |
| 04:56.52 | firespeaker | ar8131 |
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| 04:57.05 | firespeaker | no |
| 04:57.07 | firespeaker | ar9285 |
| 04:57.25 | mumpitze1 | atheros chips are very well supported in linux. how does it lock up? |
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| 04:57.48 | firespeaker | 1min, I'll boot back that way and see |
| 04:57.58 | firespeaker | (I forget exactly) |
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| 04:59.06 | firespeaker | recovery prompt has no hostname |
| 04:59.38 | mumpitze1 | you boot normally. not recovery |
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| 05:00.25 | firespeaker | okay, networking works |
| 05:00.43 | firespeaker | seems fine |
| 05:00.53 | firespeaker | except for lack of hostname |
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| 05:01.27 | firespeaker | when I boot normally it "hangs" after loading Cups |
| 05:01.45 | firespeaker | it doesn't really hang, it just doesn't let me do anything other than change terminals and make newlines |
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| 05:03.10 | mumpitze1 | ls -l /etc/rc2.d/ |
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| 05:03.18 | mumpitze1 | to check what is loaded around cups |
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| 05:04.34 | firespeaker | yeah, this system uses upstart ..... |
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| 05:06.49 | lkthomas | guys, if I want to install 7.2 minimal one, I just need the first DVD right ? |
| 05:07.34 | mumpitze1 | you just need the first CD or maybe only a netinst.iso at 250MB |
| 05:07.39 | mumpitze1 | the DVD is definitely too much |
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| 05:08.02 | DoverMo | lkthomas, cd1 lxde O: |
| 05:08.41 | tomman | Weird: now I can't even start building Wine on my fancy new chroot |
| 05:08.43 | tomman | http://paste.debian.net/65377/ |
| 05:08.47 | lkthomas | I don't need desktop |
| 05:08.59 | tomman | I've installed all build-deps and stuff, yet dpkg-buildpackage fails too early |
| 05:09.16 | firespeaker | cupsd failed to create /var/run/cups/cups.sock |
| 05:09.25 | firespeaker | doesn't seem fatal |
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| 05:09.39 | mumpitze1 | tomman: ls -l /debian/ |
| 05:09.45 | themill | tomman: looks like you've unpacked your sources as one user (your own user? root?) and are now building as a different user (your dummy user?) |
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| 05:09.55 | lkthomas | let me download CD1 instead of DVD1 |
| 05:10.24 | DoverMo | lkthomas, uh |
| 05:10.37 | lkthomas | ? |
| 05:10.42 | tomman | mumpitze1: http://paste.debian.net/65379/ |
| 05:10.52 | tomman | themill: I'm doing both tasks as the same user |
| 05:11.08 | firespeaker | udev-fallback-graphics.log: Error inserting vesafb |
| 05:11.13 | themill | tomman: you're building as root? |
| 05:11.14 | mumpitze1 | tomman: are you root while running dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 05:11.17 | tomman | nope |
| 05:11.26 | themill | tomman: the source was unpacked by root |
| 05:11.29 | DoverMo | lkthomas, well try it by deselecting the desktop, as long as grub works you should be fine |
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| 05:11.32 | tomman | Hmmm.... everything there inside the package belongs to root. |
| 05:11.48 | tomman | (I had unpacked it with apt-get source) |
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| 05:12.02 | themill | tomman: you can run apt-get source as non-root |
| 05:12.06 | cmnky | new to debian, but not linux ... is the iptables-persistent package what i need to get iptables to setup firewall rules at startup ? |
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| 05:12.12 | tomman | I'm doing it as non-root already! |
| 05:12.17 | themill | ;) |
| 05:12.43 | tomman | Hmmm... if I try to change owner on all files, I get a "not allowed" error. |
| 05:12.44 | themill | Sometimes I suspect apt-get source should emit a "W: you're doing this as root. You probably didn't want that" |
| 05:13.29 | mumpitze1 | you need to be root to change ownership on them |
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| 05:13.39 | tomman | D'OH, forgot that! |
| 05:13.52 | tomman | Please disregard that I'm a dummy :P |
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| 05:14.58 | firespeaker | upstart uses /etc/rc* also |
| 05:15.08 | firespeaker | mention of cups anywhere in there though |
| 05:15.32 | tomman | Curious, the file ownerships were OK on the Jessie chroot, but not on the Wheezy one. |
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| 05:17.20 | blocky | anybody know why this isn't killing my ssh process after the vnc viewer exits? |
| 05:17.23 | blocky | http://pastebin.com/Z2qTCJFa |
| 05:17.34 | mumpitze1 | firespeaker: are you running ubuntu or debian? |
| 05:19.29 | themill | blocky: I'd guess that SSH_CMD ends up with the process id of the subshell that ran the echo statement. Neither echo nor subshell are required |
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| 05:20.12 | firespeaker | (23:47:36) firespeaker: mumpitze1: hmmmmm |
| 05:20.12 | firespeaker | (23:47:43) firespeaker: oh crap |
| 05:20.12 | firespeaker | (23:47:52) firespeaker: I'm doing all this package management using debian live cd |
| 05:20.12 | firespeaker | (23:47:58) firespeaker: but the OS on the system is somehow ubuntu |
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| 05:20.56 | firespeaker | (23:47:52) firespeaker: I'm doing all this package management using debian live cd (23:47:58) firespeaker: but the OS on the system is somehow ubuntu |
| 05:21.05 | tomman | How do I clean the source directory after using dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 05:21.07 | firespeaker | I'm fishing in #ubuntu now |
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| 05:21.34 | firespeaker | seems to be some sort of configuration issue |
| 05:21.41 | firespeaker | ubuntu-specific I guess |
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| 05:21.52 | themill | blocky: also, you don't tell bash you've backgrounded ssh so it thinks it has just exited. |
| 05:22.12 | DoverMo | firespeaker, ooboontoo sucks |
| 05:22.24 | themill | tomman: "debian/rules clean" should restore the package to its before-build state (modulo some file deletions, perhaps) |
| 05:22.43 | firespeaker | DoverMo: agreed; this system's for my wife though, and it seems to be what she's been using |
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| 05:23.13 | DoverMo | firespeaker, ohh |
| 05:23.36 | themill | DoverMo: hardly relevant or helpful. |
| 05:24.04 | blocky | themill: thanks |
| 05:24.12 | DoverMo | themill, the truth will set you free |
| 05:25.42 | squisher | hey folks, is there a faster alternative libmtp? it is so freaking slow it is almost unusable with my android phone |
| 05:26.19 | themill | just be happy it works at all |
| 05:26.25 | blocky | squisher: i just installed (from github) simple-mtpfs |
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| 05:26.37 | blocky | not sure if it's faster, but it's an alternative |
| 05:26.49 | squisher | blocky: will check what it uses, thanks |
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| 05:27.00 | squisher | blocky: and it gives you decent speed? |
| 05:27.21 | blocky | squisher: havn't tested it. what kinds of speed are you seeing? i only have usb2 |
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| 05:28.25 | squisher | blocky: ah it uses libmtp as well... but it's worth a shot, maybe it behaves better than mtpfs for whatever reason |
| 05:29.01 | squisher | blocky: right now deleting three files took >10s (didn't time it), when I tried to use it to write it basically failed |
| 05:29.03 | blocky | squisher: i couldn't even get nautilus to detect my phone with stock mtpfs |
| 05:29.47 | firespeaker | so why would xorg be loading the intel driver when I boot off a debian live cd (but chroot on the same OS) but tries to load the vesa driver when loaded from recovery mode? |
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| 05:31.09 | blocky | squisher: just copied ~110MB in ~30s |
| 05:31.29 | blocky | though when i try to copy from one folder on device to another it fails altogether |
| 05:31.44 | squisher | hmm... promising and not promising ;-) |
| 05:31.52 | Streusel | Could someone people enlighten me on gcc usage? I've tried: "gcc -S -Wall -std=c++11 main.cpp" but get this: gcc: "error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory" error |
| 05:32.02 | blocky | squisher: what a piece of junk :P I want usb mass storage back |
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| 05:32.18 | Streusel | Hope I'm in the right channel, considering this is on debian |
| 05:32.36 | themill | Streusel: do you have the g++ package installed? |
| 05:33.01 | Streusel | man gcc doesn't work but gcc alone gives me invalid input file, also gcc -version does work |
| 05:33.38 | Streusel | themill: but to answer it, apparently no. |
| 05:33.46 | themill | dpkg: tell Streusel about gcc-doc |
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| 05:34.34 | Streusel | ah it uses pm >< |
| 05:34.36 | Streusel | thanks |
| 05:35.14 | squisher | blocky: I second that |
| 05:35.37 | nosklo | I'm using wifi to transfer files to my phone now |
| 05:35.51 | nosklo | Fast and reliable |
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| 05:37.34 | squisher | blocky: it still seems to behave slightly better than mtpfs |
| 05:38.03 | Streusel | themill, if I wanted to use "gcc -S -Wall -Wextra -Wextra main.cpp > tmp.txt" shouldn't the output be sent to tmp.txt? |
| 05:38.33 | blocky | nosklo: got an android app you like? |
| 05:38.50 | themill | Streusel: when gcc wants to yell at you, it normally yells on stderr not stdout |
| 05:39.09 | themill | Streusel: also, I suspect you want to be running "g++" not "gcc" |
| 05:39.17 | Streusel | true |
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| 05:39.38 | Streusel | ugh, I just want to have all errors pushed into a file |
| 05:40.10 | themill | Streusel: g++ … &> ibrokeit.txt |
| 05:40.12 | blocky | > only redirects stdout, not stderr |
| 05:40.21 | Streusel | owh |
| 05:40.27 | Streusel | yay, I learned smth new |
| 05:40.29 | Streusel | thanks |
| 05:41.56 | nosklo | blocky: usually I just scp the file, lately I've been using airdroid |
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| 05:51.53 | tomman | OK, my chroots are working fine, and produced its first set of stable Wine packages. Cool. |
| 05:52.00 | tomman | Now, has anyone tried uupdate with upstream Wine? |
| 05:52.12 | tomman | I'm only interested in the stable series for now. |
| 05:52.14 | lkthomas | guys, I am trying to setup KVM using virt-manager |
| 05:52.17 | tomman | (which means 1.6) |
| 05:53.14 | lkthomas | when I add storage pool, it shows target path and source path |
| 05:53.17 | lkthomas | what's diff between them ? |
| 05:54.30 | lkthomas | nevermind |
| 05:54.32 | lkthomas | problem solved |
| 05:54.46 | james41382 | Why is apt-get upgrade saying some files have been kept back? |
| 05:55.26 | DoverMo | james41382, cuz you have to do 'dist-upgrade' |
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| 05:55.43 | james41382 | I was working on this video editing project all day as a gift and then there were some updates. Now suddenly kdenlive is not working anymore. I checked updates again to see if something was missing and it says some files have been kept back |
| 05:55.54 | james41382 | DoverMo: I am on wheezy.. I don't understand. |
| 05:56.19 | DoverMo | james41382, all you do is 'apt-get dist-upgrade' problem solved O: |
| 05:56.47 | james41382 | DoverMo: What is the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade? |
| 05:57.14 | james41382 | DoverMo: This was the graphical applet that informs me there are updates.. |
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| 05:58.41 | DoverMo | james41382, debian is a bit different than other distros. On other systems, one command will do the whole upgrade, debian has 2 commands |
| 05:58.48 | blocky | how many here run testing? |
| 05:58.58 | DoverMo | james41382, just how it works |
| 05:59.04 | DoverMo | blocky, me does |
| 05:59.32 | blocky | DoverMo: does it ever randomly become unbootable? |
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| 05:59.47 | james41382 | DoverMo: Okay I'm still green so don't mind my ignorance. Thanks for the information hopefully my project isn't shot now. I got this message saying something about the clips being invalid and then the whole project was blank. |
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| 06:00.54 | DoverMo | blocky, nope. it's not supposed to be that unstable. fstab will probably break before packages |
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| 06:06.13 | blocky | dovermo i just upgraded to jessie today, went pretty much seamlessly, although my xterm color selection disappeared |
| 06:06.26 | blocky | trivial to fix but strange |
| 06:07.38 | DoverMo | blocky, that's a horrible bug |
| 06:08.13 | blocky | :P |
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| 06:09.01 | blocky | what about unstable, do many people run that? |
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| 06:10.51 | DoverMo | blocky, are you going to try experimental? |
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| 06:12.40 | blocky | DoverMo: i don't think so |
| 06:12.59 | tomman | What's the best moment to move from stable to testing (or even unstable): right after the release of a new stable, or just previous to the next freeze? |
| 06:13.01 | blocky | it seems like testing is just as stable as anything ubuntu releases |
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| 06:13.34 | blocky | tomman: i'd say just prior since the servers will be less loaded |
| 06:13.35 | tomman | I moved two of my Wheezy laptops to Jessie shortly after Wheezy was promoted to stable, so it was pretty much painless. |
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| 06:20.18 | james41382 | DoverMo: Thanks again.. I was about to pull my hair out. After I installed the missing updates though the project started working as expected again. |
| 06:20.28 | DoverMo | james41382, o3ob |
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| 06:40.59 | jarkko | does anyone know what changes so rapidly on kernels that it destroyes the support of amd drivers that arent included in kernel? |
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| 06:43.23 | one_tkbx | why does apt keep "guessing" that I want packages removed" |
| 06:43.33 | one_tkbx | s/"/? |
| 06:43.49 | themill | what makes you say that it's guessing? |
| 06:43.55 | one_tkbx | the other day xchat got uninstalled, now I find out jack is gone |
| 06:44.07 | one_tkbx | after apt-get upgrade |
| 06:44.12 | themill | one_tkbx: apt only does things that you tell it to. |
| 06:44.45 | one_tkbx | themill, is there a log of which packages are installed or uninstalled and why (dependencies)? |
| 06:45.11 | themill | one_tkbx: /var/log/apt/history.log |
| 06:45.18 | one_tkbx | I find it extraordinarily odd that a package would depend on jack not being installed, and then not uninstall when I install jack |
| 06:45.21 | one_tkbx | thanks |
| 06:46.19 | themill | one_tkbx: which release of debian is this? |
| 06:46.21 | tomman | Is there a way to pass make options to dpkg-buildpackage, like -jX? I have 4 cores, not one... so I would like to use them to speedup my builds... |
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| 06:46.49 | themill | tomman: pass? |
| 06:46.53 | one_tkbx | themill: testing, but it's a little screwed up because I updated only libc6 to testing, then kernel, then finally the whole system |
| 06:47.27 | tomman | themill: Something for dpkg-buildpackage so it can tell "make" to use "-j4", for example. |
| 06:47.49 | themill | tomman: dpkg-buildpackage has a -j option |
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| 06:48.50 | themill | note that not all packages support parallel building |
| 06:48.53 | tomman | Ouch, didn't noticed that :P |
| 06:49.18 | one_tkbx | This is the only item in history with jack, other than installing it a few seconds ago http://pastebin.com/6yRbfqnw |
| 06:49.28 | one_tkbx | but it's listed as install |
| 06:49.38 | one_tkbx | it's always the weirdest things that get uninstalled |
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| 06:50.16 | themill | one_tkbx: maybe you need to look more carefully and what apt says it's going to do? When you find something odd, then come and ask. |
| 06:50.32 | one_tkbx | ok |
| 06:50.58 | phy1729 | I have an APC UPS and would like to shutdown a number of networked computers when it is low; is nut the right way to go? |
| 06:51.05 | one_tkbx | dammit |
| 06:51.06 | one_tkbx | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 06:51.06 | one_tkbx | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:51.06 | one_tkbx | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:51.06 | one_tkbx | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
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| 06:51.18 | one_tkbx | ;_; |
| 06:51.26 | one_tkbx | http://pastebin.com/JWuH1css |
| 06:51.47 | themill | that doesn't tell us much without the context; also, try aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 06:52.04 | one_tkbx | why aptitude? |
| 06:52.24 | themill | because it can be better at figuring its way out of tight corners |
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| 06:53.50 | one_tkbx | http://pastebin.com/L1AsrsvH |
| 06:54.10 | one_tkbx | but aptitude, like everything else I've seen, seems to say boinc is responsible |
| 06:54.36 | one_tkbx | uninstalled boinc and I'm doing aptitude's solution now |
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| 06:56.07 | one_tkbx | well, it appears everything about my system is broken now |
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| 07:25.33 | well_laid_lawn | Guest31633: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initramfs |
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| 07:31.07 | themill | Glavata: upgrading to wheezy |
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| 07:31.22 | damo22 | how do i go about getting a suite of audio plugins i wrote packaged for debian and included into the repos? i mean what is the procedure for including new packages? |
| 07:31.40 | themill | dpkg: tell damo22 about nmg |
| 07:31.55 | Glavata | themill yea thought so. Ok thanks. |
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| 07:32.45 | Glavata | I'm on a vps, hopefully things will upgrade fine |
| 07:33.26 | themill | you could always ask your hoster about this. You should read through the upgrading chapter of the release notes too |
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| 07:57.45 | forcer | Oh, apparently sysstat includes sar :-) |
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| 08:33.16 | NotJimCarrey | this is driving me nuts. i have xfce panel on autohide, but it won't autohide |
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| 08:36.57 | NotJimCarrey | nevermind, dbus-send to the rescue |
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| 08:57.09 | tomman | Finally, my homebrew Wine upgrade... mostly finished :) |
| 08:57.15 | tomman | at least on my Jessie hosts. |
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| 08:57.35 | tomman | One game broke, other got fixed, my critical workbench app seems to still work fine. |
| 08:58.01 | tomman | And best of all, I've learned how to deal with chroots today. |
| 08:58.14 | tomman | Thanks, guys! Gotta get some sleep now. |
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| 09:01.24 | excalibr | quick question, when you run dpkg-reconfigure <package> which script is called? |
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| 09:02.25 | excalibr | <pkg>.postins or <pkg>.conf? |
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| 09:07.47 | themill | excalibr: both |
| 09:09.38 | excalibr | alright |
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| 09:45.16 | maicsmarties | http://www.LittleStacy.com?id=99194 |
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| 09:49.01 | chovy | what's a good log rotator? |
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| 10:04.42 | halt | Hi all, I have small webserver, and it's send out e-mails with sendmail for now, how i could log the outgoing e-mails and also maiybe the delivery status will be good |
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| 10:06.43 | halt | is there any othere way the configure a wrapper ? can it be done any "clear" way |
| 10:06.49 | chovy | try #sendmail |
| 10:07.09 | ChrisH | halt: sendmail does log that by default... or at least it did do that in the past. |
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| 10:08.43 | halt | chovy: not sure I want to use sendmail, this tried to be more general question |
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| 10:09.18 | chovy | halt: all i know how to do is setup postfix to fowawrd emails on my domain tomy gmail account. |
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| 10:09.44 | halt | chovy: nice ;) |
| 10:09.46 | ChrisH | halt: check below /var/log and expect to find logfiles containing the delivery status... assuming sendmail in place |
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| 10:13.00 | halt | ChrisH: good idea just grep for @ and hope i have already, but if not then i have to set it up |
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| 10:15.06 | olivier_bk | whan i am connected to the server the background of my vim has changed for exemple in my computer text is green and background is black but on the server the text is green and the background is orange |
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| 10:15.24 | olivier_bk | do you know how can i keep my parametre |
| 10:15.32 | olivier_bk | ? |
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| 10:17.45 | ChrisH | Are colours set by VIM or is it more a matter of the terminal vim runs in? I never cared about colors there. |
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| 10:32.37 | babilen | ChrisH: Ask in #vim, but it is both. The actual colours are set by the terminal (as in the hex codes), but the choice of colour (in terms of "red", "yellow", ...) is up to vim. |
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| 10:35.59 | luichi | hello |
| 10:36.24 | luichi | how cani mount an specific directory of a hard drive? |
| 10:36.26 | luichi | the hard drive is in /dev/sda2 |
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| 10:37.39 | marcidy | luichi: to access a directory on a drive, it has to be mounted. The directory itself cannot be mounted. |
| 10:37.53 | luichi | marcidy: ok thanks |
| 10:38.18 | luichi | im mounting all windows partiton always but i only want documents directory |
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| 10:40.09 | marcidy | luichi: it won't cause any issues to mount the drive. You can then link to the Documents directory from somewhere else |
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| 10:43.35 | coelho | I have to ssd disks, one for windows one for linux, to make it simple i can put the grub in the linux disk and use boot select from the board right ? the board is uefi |
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| 10:43.50 | coelho | to = 2 |
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| 10:49.08 | enuguri | hi can I ask questions about benchmarking here? |
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| 10:50.14 | deni | anyone having issues running the latest linux-image-amd64 from testing on linode? i'm thinking it doesn't support xen |
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| 10:50.29 | deni | even though it says it does |
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| 10:51.06 | mumpitze1 | deni: it's testing. these are not supposed to be used for installing |
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| 10:51.19 | mumpitze1 | enuguri: just ask |
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| 10:51.47 | pbodymind | thinks testing r0x |
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| 10:52.39 | deni | mumpitze1: well it's not like it's experimental....testing is stable enough no? |
| 10:52.44 | deni | i find it to be at least |
| 10:52.59 | v4nelle | guys which is the best way to install testing?Via testing iso or via a stable installation and after that upgrade to testing? |
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| 10:54.02 | mumpitze1 | deni: no |
| 10:54.13 | mumpitze1 | the testing installer is to actually test the installer |
| 10:54.21 | mumpitze1 | v4nelle: the latter |
| 10:54.56 | coelho | I do a netinstall and then change the source.list to the testing |
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| 10:55.25 | v4nelle | and there wasnt a risk from dist-upgrade? |
| 10:55.48 | deni | mumpitze1: i'm not testing the installer...i'm testing the packages it provides |
| 10:55.58 | deni | mumpitze1: i installed stable and then just upgraded to testing |
| 10:56.40 | coelho | just be carefull if you do autoremove after |
| 10:56.42 | mumpitze1 | deni: when you use it, you are testing it. and except for very small amounts of time, the testing installer is usually broken in some way |
| 10:57.31 | mumpitze1 | deni: oh sorry, I was thinking about the iso. is linode providing an official debian kernel or their own? |
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| 10:58.24 | deni | mumpitze1: yes they are...but that's not good cause i wan't to use custom kernel params (cgroup_enable=memory)....so that means i need to roll my own and use pv_grub...all very well documented on their help pages |
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| 10:59.06 | deni | but then i get to a point where i get an error saying it can't decompress the kernel....and that's pointed out on their help page that it means that the kernel doesn't support being run under domU |
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| 11:00.27 | deni | mumpitze1: basically i get this at the end: ERROR Invalid kernel: xc_dom_find_loader: no loader found |
| 11:00.29 | mumpitze1 | deni: how can #debian help with a custom kernel? |
| 11:00.56 | deni | mumpitze1: bad wording sorry....stock kernel. apt-get install linux-image-amd64 |
| 11:01.23 | deni | mumpitze1: i meant 'custom' only in regards to linode, as i'm not using one of theirs |
| 11:01.54 | mumpitze1 | which kernel config does enable domU? |
| 11:01.55 | deni | mumpitze1: granted i haven't tried booting that kernel locally under xen...i don't have that set up anywhere so i can't test |
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| 11:02.05 | deni | mumpitze1: i have no idea |
| 11:03.00 | deni | mumpitze1: i've always used the ones provided by apt... |
| 11:03.01 | deni | and it just worked |
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| 11:03.15 | deni | don't really have the need to compile my own that often |
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| 11:03.34 | mumpitze1 | deni: http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Mainline_Linux_Kernel_Configs#Configuring_the_Kernel_for_domU_Support check in /boot/config* if they are all enabled |
| 11:03.51 | mumpitze1 | you can also use an older kernel image if you want to |
| 11:04.02 | mumpitze1 | snapshot.debian.net should have them all |
| 11:04.38 | ShapeShifter499 | hi guys |
| 11:04.49 | ShapeShifter499 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:05.08 | ShapeShifter499 | I want to backup files to another computer that has enough space |
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| 11:06.02 | deni | mumpitze1: hmm that's weird...all those configs seem to be correct in /boot/config-3.10-3-amd64 ... |
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| 11:07.15 | ShapeShifter499 | anyone? |
| 11:07.15 | deni | mumpitze1: okay, i'm thinking this might be the culprit: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=695056 |
| 11:07.25 | deni | mumpitze1: xz compression support for xen |
| 11:07.27 | archtimmy | ShapeShifter499: yes |
| 11:07.35 | archtimmy | you can also add -z for compression |
| 11:08.07 | ChrisH | ShapeShifter499: I normally do a dry-run using -n to see which files will/would be picked |
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| 11:08.42 | ShapeShifter499 | archtimmy: do you know if this keeps file metadata? I want to make sure I have the original file creation date (for any pictures I may have) |
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| 11:09.03 | ShapeShifter499 | ChrisH: I want all and any files within my /home directory |
| 11:09.42 | ChrisH | ShapeShifter499: man rsync check for -a and find what -a does. This is expected to keep the creation and access times |
| 11:09.48 | archtimmy | ShapeShifter499: it does. you can check the manpage to see exactly what options -a implies |
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| 11:12.11 | ShapeShifter499 | archtimmy: ChrisH thank you for the help guys |
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| 11:37.25 | luichi | if i dont have any hp device can i remove hplip package? |
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| 11:40.19 | madmac2501 | i have a custom debian distribution that modifies some configuration files included in the debian package, actually I overwrite the config with a script, what would be the cleanest way without recompiling debian packages? |
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| 11:53.07 | disposable2 | i'd like to put markers (2 lines) into /var/log/syslog around an event that happened today. is it safe to edit syslog in vim while it's being written to? it's a very busy system that appends around 10 lines every second. I don't care if i lose a few new log entries, but i do not want to crash rsyslogd. |
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| 11:54.11 | buu | disposable2: Can't you just copy it to a new file...? |
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| 11:54.27 | disposable2 | yes. but that's not what i'm trying to do. |
| 11:54.37 | buu | Well yes, but what you're trying to do sounds terrifying. |
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| 11:58.55 | luichi | if i dont have any hp device can i remove hplip package? |
| 11:58.56 | nwe | hmm can someon explain this for me.. I have two public ips one on eth0 and another on eth1, If I want to port forward port 2230 on the ip on eth1, I must set the ule to do it on interface eth0 too.. otherwise I got connection refused. |
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| 11:59.16 | nwe | How should I do so I only need to do it on eth1.. I hope you guys understand what I mean.. |
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| 12:04.06 | disposable2 | buu: when logs rotate, they are saved and archived on our SAN. i don't need a copy, i need an easy way to find that event in the archived logs later. nevermind, i'll do it on the archived file later. I've just tested live editing in a virtual machine and rsyslogd did not like it. |
| 12:04.26 | buu | Well, that answers that question I guess. |
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| 12:05.21 | disposable2 | buu: it lost the lock on that file and stopped writing completely. i had to restart rsyslog |
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| 12:07.26 | buu | disposable2: Huh. I wonder if there's a way to edit it without messing with its lock? |
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| 12:08.44 | disposable2 | buu: i think the whole point of an exclusive lock is that it's exclusive. |
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| 12:11.08 | buu | I'm pretty sure linux doesn't actually *have* exclusive locks though |
| 12:11.17 | buu | Just voluntary ones |
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| 12:11.30 | buu | Well, s/exclusive/enforced/ |
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| 12:18.37 | chain | Where can I get Debian 6.0.7 cd image? |
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| 12:20.37 | buu | http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/6.0.7-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ ? |
| 12:20.49 | michaelis | chain, http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ |
| 12:20.59 | themill | chain: why would you want 6.0.7 and not 6.0.8 (or even 7.2, really) |
| 12:21.02 | buu | Google is hard apparently. |
| 12:21.43 | chain | thanks buu |
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| 12:23.47 | chain | 6.0.8 will be fine. I need to build something from source and it requires berkeley db 4.8 |
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| 12:25.23 | buu | That sounds logical. |
| 12:25.54 | buu | Maybe, and this is just a wild suggestion, but instead of using random versions of debian you just get the specific version of bdb you need and compile against that? |
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| 12:35.36 | grahamx64 | how do i download Debian Sid iso's ? |
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| 12:39.03 | themill | dpkg: tell grahamx64 about install sid |
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| 12:47.05 | BadCodSmell | Is it possible to use the DVI port onboard a mother board that has an integrated intel hd gpu on the graphs while only using the discrete gpu for accelleration in debian 7? |
| 12:47.53 | Iridos | for a screencast, I see byzanz and gtk-recordmydesktop... any reasons I should prefer one? |
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| 12:50.11 | petern_ | BadCodSmell, why would you want that? |
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| 12:52.27 | maasha | I would like to avoid boot hanging if a disk fails as described here: http://www.tomatosoft.biz/blog/2012/01/21/avoid-boot-stopper-give-root-password-for-maintenance/ |
| 12:52.32 | maasha | How to do that in Debian? |
| 12:52.54 | maasha | I dont have a /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
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| 12:54.35 | Rovanion | Is it possible to tell apt-get to skip the mysql-server set password screen? I'm writing a script and it stops it. |
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| 12:56.53 | nkuttler | Rovanion: you can probably change the debconf priority, dpkg-reconfigure debconf, or preseed a valud, /msg dpkg pressed |
| 12:56.59 | nkuttler | s/valud/value |
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| 13:08.44 | KiraL | Hello there! have a problem with Okular. Is there anyone here who might have some explanations and clues how to deal with it? |
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| 13:16.26 | themill | KiraL: you need to ask your question before anyone can answer it |
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| 13:19.39 | Kenzumi | hello |
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| 13:22.12 | mel- | Hi |
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| 13:23.30 | mel- | where can I find a list of the available locales including a short description/full name of each locale? (I need to figure out what comes closest to Palestinian Arabic) |
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| 13:27.22 | KiraL | i have problem with Okular. I open one specific pdf file, and trying to print it out, but print preview and printout are blank. I m running Okular on Debian squeezy |
| 13:28.54 | ChrisH | KiraL: can you print into a PS File? I assume its not a PDF which can be shared. |
| 13:29.18 | jelly | KiraL: is that Debian 6 or 7? 6 is squeeze, 7 is wheezy |
| 13:29.32 | KiraL | deb 6 |
| 13:29.51 | jelly | okular from squeeze is rather old by now |
| 13:30.22 | abrotman | or try another PDF reader |
| 13:30.40 | KiraL | yes i know. But other pdfs are working, this one ain't |
| 13:31.14 | themill | it could easily be a busted pdf or a pdf that is sufficiently weird that okular doesn't handle it |
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| 13:32.34 | abrotman | KiraL: try xpdf, it uses a different rendering engine for the PDF |
| 13:32.58 | KiraL | but okular shows that file it opens it properly, only the printout is blank and print preview is blank |
| 13:33.00 | ChrisH | or pdf2ps and print the PS file |
| 13:33.34 | Rovanion | nkuttler: But that's for the installer I use when I install the server from the start? |
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| 13:33.43 | ChrisH | KiraL: are you looking for an explanation why this happens or for a solution to get the printout? |
| 13:33.46 | KiraL | command line shows: okular(9749)/okular (Spectre) GSRendererThread::run: Generated image does not match wanted size: [0x0] vs requested [1867x2642]QImage::scaled: Image is a null image |
| 13:34.03 | KiraL | i m looking for explanation |
| 13:34.07 | maasha | is there any reason why iptables -L should appear slow? |
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| 13:34.28 | ChrisH | maasha: IPs are not reverse resolvable |
| 13:34.49 | abrotman | maasha: add a -n |
| 13:34.58 | abrotman | KiraL: it's a busted PDF it sounds like .. t |
| 13:35.04 | maasha | ChrisH: and what does that mean? time iptables -L takes 20 secs to complete. |
| 13:35.21 | ChrisH | KiraL: google for GSRendererThread::run: Generated image does not match wanted size and find much hits on this message |
| 13:35.34 | maasha | abrotman: ah |
| 13:35.40 | KiraL | ok, on deb 7 also have that problem |
| 13:36.01 | abrotman | maasha: without -n, it tries to resolve addresses in your rules, no one wants that :) |
| 13:36.11 | maasha | abrotman: I see. |
| 13:36.18 | KiraL | if it's busted pdf, then why or how other programs are generating preview and making printouts |
| 13:36.34 | Rovanion | I have debian already installed, I'm running sudo apt-get install mysql-server and I want the window asking to enter a new mysql root password not to appear. |
| 13:37.02 | maasha | Right, it appears my new firewall is up and running and that, somewhat surprisingly, I can _still_ access the machine remotely :o) (fwbuilder is kind of cool) |
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| 13:38.16 | KiraL | on Debian 7 i have: lsb_release -a |
| 13:38.16 | KiraL | No LSB modules are available. |
| 13:38.16 | KiraL | Distributor ID:Debian |
| 13:38.16 | KiraL | Description:Debian GNU/Linux 7.0 (wheezy) |
| 13:38.16 | KiraL | Release:7.0 |
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| 13:39.18 | KiraL | i m sorry for that flood, i copy pasted from commandline |
| 13:39.36 | jelly | KiraL: evince works? |
| 13:40.11 | KiraL | evince on which Debian version? |
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| 13:40.54 | jelly | KiraL: debian 7, that's current |
| 13:41.08 | KiraL | yes, but i have that problem on deb 6 and 7 |
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| 13:41.40 | Rovanion | Is it possible to pass the root password I want to set on the mysql server when I run apt-get install mysql-server? |
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| 13:42.07 | jelly | KiraL: it's just that bugs in debian 6, the previous release, are not going to be addressed in debian 6 unless they're critical |
| 13:42.34 | themill | Rovanion: didn't nkuttler answer that for you earlier? |
| 13:43.21 | KiraL | ok... here this file: pastelink.me/dl/68ebdb#sthash.Q5rrK7yd.dpuf |
| 13:43.44 | KiraL | evince ain't running |
| 13:44.01 | Rovanion | themill: Nope, from what I could read about preseed it was about setting config for the debian system installer. |
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| 13:44.38 | maasha | Where would /boot/grub/menu.lst be located on a debian system? |
| 13:45.12 | KiraL | jelly: this bug can be reproduced on Debian 7 as well as i wrote |
| 13:45.12 | themill | Rovanion: you can feed in debconf answers to debconf. See debconf-get-selections |
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| 13:49.03 | Rovanion | themill: debconf-utils isn't installed by default? |
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| 13:49.20 | jelly | KiraL: oh yeah. That's a genuine bug, you can report it using the reportbug tool |
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| 13:49.37 | themill | Rovanion: no, it's not needed by 99+% of people |
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| 13:50.21 | Guest39380 | Si |
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| 13:51.27 | Guest39380 | Si Gracias |
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| 13:52.03 | jelly | KiraL: xpdf even segfaults at print time |
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| 13:52.31 | themill | I *think* it's the way the fonts are embedded in that file |
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| 13:53.25 | KiraL | themill: how can i fix this? Where to report this bug to KDE or Debian or? |
| 13:53.46 | abrotman | thought evince and okular used the same rendering engine ? |
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| 13:53.57 | Guest39380 | Alguien me puede decir como me con los demas |
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| 13:54.11 | themill | abrotman: all different versions of xpdf/poppler, yes |
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| 13:54.43 | themill | KiraL: reporting the bug to bugs.kde.org and attaching that file would probably be best. I won't get fixed in a hurry though. |
| 13:55.20 | c--__ | does anyone know when debian wheezy will update from mysql server 5.5 to 5.6? there are some significant changes regarding default values and i think it would be useful to have 5.6 in the wheezy repo |
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| 13:55.29 | themill | KiraL: In the meantime, you can just run "ps2pdf foo.pdf bar.pdf" to get a file that is ok. |
| 13:55.44 | themill | c--__: wheezy will never update mysql versions like that |
| 13:55.57 | shafox | installed debain 7, sound is coming from speakers while ear phone is plugged in. how to resolve ? |
| 13:56.34 | abrotman | turn speakers down ? |
| 13:56.53 | themill | c--__: and additionally, people are so sick of working with oracle's mysql, you may find there aren't many updates for a while |
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| 13:57.32 | abrotman | they should have just changed the license and gone closed source .. PostgreSQL FTW! |
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| 13:57.41 | shafox | abrotman, turn speakers down. No sound from anywhere . |
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| 13:57.56 | abrotman | dpkg: tell c--__ about meaning of stable |
| 13:57.57 | pfote | abrotman +1 |
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| 13:59.05 | abrotman | c--__: is there a feature in 5.6 that you require? |
| 13:59.15 | pfote | apropos mysql .. are there plans to package mariadb? |
| 13:59.45 | abrotman | dpkg: dbugs 565308 |
| 13:59.49 | dpkg | #565308:W[wnpp] ITP: mariadb-server-core-5.5 -- MariaDB dropin alt server (pending); Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:54:05 UTC [688505] |
| 14:00.07 | pfote | ah tnx |
| 14:00.23 | abrotman | pfote: been in preparation for 1400 days .. awesome |
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| 14:00.36 | pfote | ugh |
| 14:00.39 | themill | bits of it were in NEW the other day |
| 14:00.39 | jelly | percona ftw? |
| 14:00.41 | pfote | didnt see that |
| 14:00.57 | abrotman | PostgreSQL FTW! :) |
| 14:01.00 | pfote | ^ |
| 14:01.36 | jelly | api change ftl |
| 14:01.40 | shafox | i dont think my earphone plugin is a hardware issue cause it was working good with other distros. |
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| 14:03.39 | maasha | What is the preferred way to keep up with security updates? I was once advised not to run apt-get update in a cron job... |
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| 14:04.49 | archtimmy | maasha: you can use unattended-upgrades |
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| 14:06.17 | maasha | archtimmy: that sounds like what I was advised against - though that away 6-7 years ago |
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| 14:10.44 | abrotman | maasha: that's your call, there is apticron and cron-apt .. the danger is that the upgrade does something you don't know about, causes issues llater .. but you can setup cron-apt to send you an meail |
| 14:10.49 | abrotman | email |
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| 14:11.32 | maasha | abrotman: right. so for I will sign up for the security email list :o) |
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| 14:15.15 | caraconan | Hi there. Does anybody knows how to install spice-xpi plugin for iceweasel? Thanks |
| 14:16.20 | archtimmy | maasha: I think that unattended-upgrades is the most "official" solution, see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_automatic_download_and_upgrade_of_packages |
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| 14:16.37 | maasha | archtimmy: ok |
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| 14:19.19 | maasha | archtimmy: is debian stable per default running unattended-upgrades? |
| 14:19.36 | archtimmy | no, you have to install it |
| 14:20.20 | archtimmy | but there is support for it in apt's cron script |
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| 14:21.26 | maasha | archtimmy: I found that it was installed - and I used a minimalistic netinst iso |
| 14:21.34 | jpinx | what's the line in sources.list to go from wheezy to jessie (in a vm) for updates. |
| 14:21.46 | abrotman | maasha: and debian-announce or whichever announces the stable updates |
| 14:21.51 | abrotman | looks |
| 14:22.08 | maasha | archtimmy: and running sudo unattended-upgrade --debug --dry-run shows that it seems to be setup correctly - though I dont know if it is in cron (yet) |
| 14:22.18 | abrotman | debian-stable-accounce |
| 14:22.24 | archtimmy | maasha: hmm, I remember having to install it separately |
| 14:22.36 | maasha | I signed up to the mail list |
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| 14:23.18 | abrotman | maasha: debian-announce and debian-stable-announce |
| 14:23.31 | archtimmy | maasha: dpkg-reconfigure unattended-upgrades |
| 14:23.32 | BadCodSmell | Is it possible to use the DVI port onboard a mother board that has an integrated intel hd gpu on the graphs while only using the discrete gpu for accelleration in debian 7? |
| 14:23.35 | caraconan | maasha: it uses apt |
| 14:23.43 | caraconan | and introduces a random delay |
| 14:23.43 | BadCodSmell | With ATI discrete GPU |
| 14:23.56 | caraconan | check out /etc/apt dirs and subdirs to look the config |
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| 14:24.04 | petern_ | BadCodSmell, why would you want that? |
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| 14:24.26 | BadCodSmell | Because discrete only has one DVI |
| 14:25.06 | BadCodSmell | I could use a HDMI converter but the whole point of this exercise is to not have to buy hundreds of DVI/HDMI converters |
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| 14:26.21 | mumpitze1 | BadCodSmell: how many hundreds of PCs do you have? and how many monitors per PC? |
| 14:26.23 | maasha | excellent. thanks |
| 14:27.08 | BadCodSmell | enough that being able to use the onboard dvi port for the discrete card is a considerable saving in both manpower and price |
| 14:27.18 | abrotman | BadCodSmell: please go to ##hardware, thank you |
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| 14:27.50 | BadCodSmell | I think this is more of a linux problem. |
| 14:28.07 | BadCodSmell | I'm pretty sure this just works on Windows |
| 14:28.21 | petern_ | I've only heard of nVidia Optimus, I don't know if AMD has an equivalent. |
| 14:28.28 | abrotman | BadCodSmell: oh, misread, my mistake |
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| 14:28.46 | abrotman | BadCodSmell: though, you may want to ask #ati .. but it may depend which driver you're using |
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| 14:29.04 | abrotman | BadCodSmell: ISTR something ages ago about only one display would be accelerated |
| 14:29.09 | mumpitze1 | via lucid virtu mvp. but that isn't available under linux. and it doesn't work too well under windows either |
| 14:30.00 | mumpitze1 | and you have to be mindful of the amount of monitors, etc. which is why I asked about it. but feel free to ignore. good luck |
| 14:30.17 | mumpitze1 | abrotman: the software in question is intel software, not amd one |
| 14:30.36 | abrotman | even better ... |
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| 14:30.43 | abrotman | gives up .. goes back to bed |
| 14:30.43 | BadCodSmell | thanks :) |
| 14:31.19 | abrotman | Not sure if the one display thing still applies. |
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| 14:33.20 | StahlGrau | ls |
| 14:33.31 | StahlGrau | lol whoops sorry |
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| 14:46.59 | luichi | hello |
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| 14:47.35 | luichi | how can i list all files in / that are called "de"? (i used ls -R / | grep "de" but it lists directories as dev) |
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| 14:47.56 | wdouglass | ls /de |
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| 14:48.13 | wdouglass | oh you mean all files, recursively? |
| 14:48.24 | wdouglass | find / -name de -type f |
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| 14:49.47 | kexibq | hey guys, does anyone know why when I am doing a complete fresh reinstall somehow the installer knows/keeps the previous hostname? |
| 14:50.17 | ksk | as in "created new partitions" - not possible imho |
| 14:50.45 | ksk | the installer will set a hostname that has something to do with your first username iirc |
| 14:50.56 | ksk | but, what do you want to do anyways? |
| 14:51.09 | kexibq | ksk: first username? |
| 14:51.27 | ksk | the installer asks you for a rootpassword and for a nonroot username iirfc |
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| 14:51.29 | ksk | -f |
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| 14:51.54 | kexibq | ksk: it just seems strange, as I don't remember it being set to the same as previous when I have reinstalled before. It would just be 'localhost' or smth. |
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| 14:52.18 | kexibq | ksk: and this is before the usersetup I think |
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| 14:58.07 | ksk | dhcp? |
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| 15:00.05 | mumpitze1 | the default hostname is usually "debian", no? |
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| 15:00.15 | cheasee | hi |
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| 15:01.49 | jaami_ | need to restart vino , can you tell me command? |
| 15:02.04 | f-a | hello: I just finished a test debian intallation (base system). I need a wifi connection to download some packages. As there is no network-manager installed nor wicd, how to do that (i.e. I gave connection credentials during the installation, are those lost? Which program did Debian use to connect ot the internet?) |
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| 15:02.42 | cheasee | im running debian stable/wheezy and get following msg in syslog, where would be the best place to put that in? |
| 15:02.46 | cheasee | Nov 12 15:51:17 eleanor kernel: [ 6976.500868] traps: apache2[9228] general protection ip:7fcc4199b569 sp:7fcc46645df0 error:0 in libsasl2.so.2.0.25[7fcc41994000+1a000] |
| 15:02.54 | cheasee | Nov 12 15:57:17 eleanor kernel: [ 7335.834987] apache2[9552]: segfault at 7 ip 0000000000000007 sp 00007f5038e7b4e8 error 14 |
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| 15:03.39 | cheasee | oh, and im running kernel linux-image-3.10-3-amd64 |
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| 15:04.34 | cheasee | f-a: you need to use iwconfig to setup wireless, you may need to install pkg wireless-tools |
| 15:05.48 | f-a | I do have iwconfig intalled, cheasee , thanks |
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| 15:08.24 | cusco | hi |
| 15:08.50 | cusco | what does it mean the folloing line in dmesg:[Tue Nov 12 12:26:43 2013] hub 4-0:1.0: over-current condition on port 7 |
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| 15:08.56 | cusco | something wrong with PCI card? |
| 15:09.12 | wdouglass | cusco: looks to me like there's a usb device with a short |
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| 15:09.20 | inthl | I ran out of free inodes on a partition, du -i says 100% in use ...how do I increase the amount of inodes there..? |
| 15:09.39 | cusco | wdouglass: usb ? |
| 15:09.49 | cusco | there is nothing usb attached |
| 15:09.56 | donnib | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.02 | cusco | how can I know what is port 7? |
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| 15:10.57 | wdouglass | cusco: either there is internal usb (likely if it's a laptop) or there's a problem with your power supply |
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| 15:11.02 | OpenTokix | inthl: you cant change that number w/o recreating the filesystem. |
| 15:11.29 | Rovanion | When unistalling mysql, even when purging, the mysql password seems to stay. How can I remove it? |
| 15:11.35 | cusco | wdouglass: its a desktop |
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| 15:12.07 | inthl | OpenTokix, hm, that is a pity. Is there anything else except mkfs -i to modify this? and what could be a reasonable value for -i |
| 15:12.08 | wdouglass | try doing 'lsusb' at a terminal, it will list the devices on your usb bus |
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| 15:12.55 | one_tkbx | I just reinstalled Debian Testing, and Iceweasel is on 17.0.9esr-1~deb7u1 instead of the usual 21 or something |
| 15:12.59 | one_tkbx | how can I fix this? |
| 15:13.06 | OpenTokix | inthl: you cant modify it |
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| 15:13.59 | inthl | OpenTokix, what do you mean? isn't it possible to reserve more inodes by setting different -i for mkfs ..?? |
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| 15:14.23 | OpenTokix | inthl: yes, you can - but you cant modify it on an existing filesystem |
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| 15:14.33 | inthl | yes that is ok - I'll recreate it |
| 15:14.47 | inthl | the default inode_ratio = 16384 according to the mke2fs.conf |
| 15:15.04 | inthl | so what, making this 8192 would double the inode count? |
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| 15:18.29 | jhutchins_wk | Rovanion: There is a password within the mysql database itself. |
| 15:19.30 | Rovanion | jhutchins_wk: And purge doesn't remove the db files.. I guess you wouldn't want that in some cases. |
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| 15:46.45 | cousinie | i am currently reading "the linux kernel in a nutshell", in which is stated that i can use the distribution specific config to determine what drivers and so i will need. |
| 15:46.58 | cousinie | where is this kernel configuration to be found in debian? |
| 15:47.32 | cousinie | in the book they say its possible in /usr/src which doesnt seem the case here |
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| 15:48.23 | babilen | cousinie: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 15:48.35 | babilen | (for the running kernel) |
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| 15:50.05 | cousinie | thank you babilen! |
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| 15:51.10 | cousinie | just to understand. why is it in /boot ? i thought that /boot is only for things needed during booting |
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| 16:09.40 | Demovir | hi, I'd like to know how to cut selected lines using command "cut" in file wich contains numbers separated by enters (ex. from 8 to 25 line) |
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| 16:11.04 | archtimmy | Demovir: cut is used to select parts of lines |
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| 16:12.59 | archtimmy | if you want to get lines 8-25 from a file, you can do something like "tail -n +8 <file> | head -n +18" |
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| 16:36.51 | one_tkbx | Was Iceweasel recently downgraded to 17? I used to have debian stable and it was 20-something, then 20-something in testing, now it's 17 after reinstalling testing |
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| 16:37.28 | Kariel | hello, do you have any informations about when 3.11 or 3.12 reaches Testing? |
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| 16:44.16 | one_tkbx | A tutorial is saying I need to edit /etc/apt/apt.conf, but all I have is a directory /etc/apt/apt.conf.d |
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| 16:44.21 | hans_henrik | any idea where i can check the dns cache size on a debian? |
| 16:44.37 | boudiccas | Kariel; 3.11 or 3.12 of what? elephants? |
| 16:44.49 | Kobaz | hans_henrik: depends on what dns daemon you're running |
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| 16:45.15 | Kobaz | hans_henrik: if it's bind, ask in #bind |
| 16:45.39 | hans_henrik | i don't know, but pretty sure its the 1 that followed my vanilla debian7 iso |
| 16:45.45 | jhutchins_wk | cousinie: Given the abscence of a build environment, they store the config with the kernel. |
| 16:45.59 | jhutchins_wk | cousinie: It's good practice to archive your config anyway. |
| 16:46.23 | Kobaz | hans_henrik: i haven't done vanilla in a long time.... dpkg -l | grep bind; ps aux | grep bind |
| 16:46.26 | cousinie | alright, good to know jhutchins_wk |
| 16:46.34 | Armin | anyone a clue how i can check what the current version of eclipse in unstable is? |
| 16:46.45 | boudiccas | ,v eclipse |
| 16:46.47 | judd | Package: eclipse on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.2-6squeeze2; wheezy: 3.8.0~rc4-1; jessie: 3.8.1-4; sid: 3.8.1-4 |
| 16:46.50 | Armin | ty |
| 16:47.10 | boudiccas | Armin; you're welcome :) |
| 16:47.20 | Armin | :) |
| 16:47.21 | cousinie | jhutchins_wk: its the first time i try to build a custom kernel. if you dont do something like that, you dont need to archive this file do you? |
| 16:47.28 | hans_henrik | Kobaz, yup, bind's installed |
| 16:47.31 | hans_henrik | thanks |
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| 16:48.01 | jhutchins_wk | one_tkbx: You were probably using iceweasel from <mdn>. |
| 16:48.03 | cousinie | jhutchins_wk: i mean, there is little reason to otherwise, right? |
| 16:48.05 | Kobaz | hans_henrik: and is it running/AreYouUsingIt? |
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| 16:48.17 | one_tkbx | jhutchins_wk, <mdn>? |
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| 16:48.52 | one_tkbx | it came preinstalled on a testing iso from debian.org |
| 16:48.54 | jhutchins_wk | cousinie: There are various reasons it's a good idea to keep it as documentation. You can determine what settings your kernel was built with. |
| 16:49.00 | Kobaz | hans_henrik: there's a max-cache-size option for bind, but i don't know what the default is |
| 16:49.02 | boudiccas | one_tkbx; mozilla.debian.net |
| 16:49.02 | jhutchins_wk | !mdn |
| 16:49.02 | dpkg | The "Extended Support Release" version (10) of the Iceweasel web browser is in <squeeze-backports>. Newer Iceweasel (also Icedove and Iceape) are at http://mozilla.debian.net/ for squeeze and wheezy or in <experimental> for jessie and sid. |
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| 16:49.56 | cousinie | jhutchins_wk: okay, thanks |
| 16:50.36 | hans_henrik | ps -A | grep bind | wc -l : 0 , soo.. i guess not |
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| 16:51.30 | one_tkbx | boudiccas, jhutchins_wk, that's pretty convenient, thanks |
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| 16:52.18 | one_tkbx | but now that I've added "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian experimental main" and "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian unstable main", will packages install from those by default? |
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| 16:57.35 | jelly | one_tkbx: experimental: no, unstable: YES |
| 16:57.43 | boudiccas | one_tkbx; you have to be tracking experimental/unstable in *all* your sources.list to do that |
| 16:59.23 | boudiccas | one_tkbx; choose which you prefer and then stay with it so that you are consistent. I'm just tracking 'testing' with the odd programme from unstable or experimental |
| 16:59.29 | one_tkbx | jelly, boudiccas, it appears to be on unstable, apt-get upgrade shows like 300 updates after I upgraded 15 minutes ago |
| 16:59.58 | jelly | one_tkbx: no idea what your goal was, but congrats, you're running sid now |
| 17:00.10 | one_tkbx | I want testing with iceweasel from experimental, how can I do that? |
| 17:00.22 | boudiccas | one_tkbx; if you go with unstable expect more of a rocky ride than with testing :) good luck! :) |
| 17:00.23 | one_tkbx | jelly, I haven't updated anything but iceweasel yet, and I don't plan on it |
| 17:00.29 | jelly | not easily, I suspect |
| 17:00.57 | jelly | perhaps mozilla.debian.net has a build for testing |
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| 17:02.07 | one_tkbx | jelly, I followed mozilla.debian.net's instructions and now it's installing unstable packages by default |
| 17:02.10 | one_tkbx | how can I fix this? |
| 17:02.36 | jelly | well, you can't really |
| 17:02.44 | one_tkbx | how ironic is it that I've used debian for 3 months, arch for 8 months, and I've broken more debian systems |
| 17:02.52 | jelly | the only sane way is not to have source for unstable enabled at all |
| 17:03.01 | one_tkbx | ;_; |
| 17:03.41 | one_tkbx | jelly, you're telling me I can't install one package from unstable on testing? |
| 17:03.43 | jelly | if you haven't actually installed anything from unstable yet, you can stop, comment those out, do an update again |
| 17:03.56 | one_tkbx | I only have iceweasel |
| 17:03.59 | one_tkbx | not a whole system from testing |
| 17:04.04 | jelly | one_tkbx: I'm saying mixing and matching like that is hard to do right |
| 17:04.04 | one_tkbx | (or experimental) |
| 17:04.23 | jelly | there are features to help, but they're somewhat arcane |
| 17:04.29 | jelly | !pinning |
| 17:04.29 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 17:04.41 | one_tkbx | yeah, that's how I broke my last stable/testing system, but it was libc6 and kernel that I updated, so I couldn't really expect it to work |
| 17:05.11 | jelly | stable/testing is a bad idea; testing + some extra bits can actually work if you're careful |
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| 17:05.43 | jelly | but this channel caters more to normal usage |
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| 17:05.58 | jelly | (ie. stable; backports where necessary) |
| 17:06.03 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 17:06.03 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
| 17:06.48 | maxyz | !mozilla.debian.net |
| 17:06.50 | dpkg | The "Extended Support Release" version (10) of the Iceweasel web browser is in <squeeze-backports>. Newer Iceweasel (also Icedove and Iceape) are at http://mozilla.debian.net/ for squeeze and wheezy or in <experimental> for jessie and sid. |
| 17:06.52 | maxyz | one_tkbx: ^ |
| 17:07.23 | jelly | I suspect that's exactly what one_tkbx has followed |
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| 17:08.07 | one_tkbx | jelly, mozilla.debian.net told me to add experimental and unstable to my sources.list |
| 17:08.43 | one_tkbx | whoever thought it was a good idea to tell people to upgrade to experimental "to update iceweasel" should be hanged |
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| 17:09.06 | jelly | one_tkbx: yeah, those particular instructins are incomplete, or downright harmful |
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| 17:10.20 | jelly | more because of the unqualified "add unstable sources" than for experimental |
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| 17:11.37 | inlagian | exit |
| 17:11.51 | maxyz | inlagian: ? |
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| 17:13.53 | maxyz | one_tkbx: You could try with deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports iceweasel-esr or deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports iceweasel-aurora |
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| 17:22.26 | cusco | hey.. how do you make sed modify a file instead of writting to stdout? wasn't it sed -i ? |
| 17:22.37 | cusco | or is that ed, instead? |
| 17:23.51 | cusco | ok it is -i but its not on the man page |
| 17:23.59 | rozie | cusco: look for in place |
| 17:24.21 | cusco | err you're right it is in the man page |
| 17:24.24 | rozie | and it is in manual |
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| 17:24.26 | cusco | not sure how but I missed it |
| 17:24.31 | rozie | ;) |
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| 17:28.05 | zoggg | anyone want to buy a 4GB RAM stick? its brand new never been opened |
| 17:28.24 | pirret | more specs plz |
| 17:28.39 | zoggg | 1600 mhz 1.5v |
| 17:28.51 | zoggg | DDR3 |
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| 17:29.51 | dondelelcaro | zoggg: this isn't ebay or craiglist. Please use an appropriate venue. |
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| 17:30.17 | zoggg | come on you fucking faggot, if i don't sell this RAM stick in the next 3 hours im going to be homeless |
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| 17:30.56 | halt | hi guys, i try to setup a monitoring of avaible updateds but does not seams to work it's look like that |
| 17:31.09 | halt | apt-get update &> /dev/null; apt-get -s dist-upgrade --only-source Dir::Etc::SourceList=/ect/apt/sources.list.d/somerepo.list |grep "^Inst" |wc -l |
| 17:31.26 | halt | this should filter it by repo, but it does not :S |
| 17:31.52 | halt | any clue how should i filter them by src ? |
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| 17:32.07 | dondelelcaro | halt: only-source only has any meaning for apt-get source and build-dep |
| 17:32.12 | dondelelcaro | halt: which the manpage explains |
| 17:33.01 | halt | sorry wrong like i meant -o |
| 17:33.06 | halt | so --options |
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| 17:33.28 | halt | i corrected that bit already my bad for the wrong paste |
| 17:34.07 | dondelelcaro | halt: the other problem is that you're not resetting SourceParts. I'm also not sure if resetting that configuration file will do anything if you've already run update |
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| 17:34.47 | dondelelcaro | halt: I would instead consider using pinning or similar to see what would have been upgraded with a pinning configuration specific to that repository |
| 17:35.36 | dondelelcaro | halt: I'm also not sure why you want to segregate the updates by repository; that doesn't make much sense unless this is something which is not Debian. |
| 17:35.39 | halt | dondelelcaro: i whould like to create a monitoring item out of this, i already use pinning, but that's the realted to this |
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| 17:36.25 | halt | dondelelcaro: area you seruis when ask about the why ? |
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| 17:37.38 | dondelelcaro | halt: If I wasn't interested in the answer, I wouldn't be asking. We ask why questions here all the time, because the actual answer to your problem may not be down the path that you've already gone. /msg dpkg xy problem for details |
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| 17:40.23 | nullby7e | does debian haves XFCE |
| 17:40.27 | dondelelcaro | nullby7e: yes |
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| 17:40.35 | dondelelcaro | !tell nullby7e -about pdo |
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| 17:41.04 | halt | was not sure, but i could explain it then, so why i sparate it, is becasue an security update is more important then an regural update, i store, or even backports, so i store the diferent repost in different file, so if the monitoring came back that there is a backport update then i will say yeah sometime... when it come back with regural i still say ok will do, but when a sec update came out then i run it right now |
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| 17:41.50 | dondelelcaro | halt: ok, makes sense |
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| 17:42.26 | dondelelcaro | halt: so all you really care about is separating out the security updates from the non-security updates |
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| 17:43.00 | halt | basicly yes, but i also have 3rd party updates, which also a different one, like puppet |
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| 17:46.10 | dondelelcaro | halt: right, so set a Pin release l=Debian-security with a priority of 990, and use a Package: * Pin-Priority: 50 for everything else |
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| 17:46.29 | dondelelcaro | halt: and just use that preferences file when you run the simulated apt-get dist-upgrade run |
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| 17:49.04 | zorael | Is there any way to force dpkg to overwrite existing conf files (when installing a package)? Like dpkg -i --force-ignore-existing-conf-please |
| 17:49.15 | halt | dondelelcaro: so setup as many property file as i have and then refer back to that prefenerces ? |
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| 17:49.37 | dondelelcaro | halt: you really only need one file which gives everything a low priority except for security updates |
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| 17:50.10 | dondelelcaro | zorael: --force-confnew |
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| 17:50.37 | dondelelcaro | zorael: though as always, use the --force options with care |
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| 17:50.43 | zorael | dondelelcaro: Thanks. Related, can you get apt-get to do that? |
| 17:50.49 | halt | dondelelcaro: then you still don't get the idea, i whould like to know any momment how many updates avaible from x y and z repo, at the same time all should be viable |
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| 17:51.36 | dondelelcaro | halt: yes, so you have a script which uses a apt_preferences file which pins that repo, but is outside of the normal location for apt preferences files |
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| 17:52.05 | dondelelcaro | halt: your original only referenced security repositories and "other repositories", so you only need one additional preferences file. |
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| 17:52.38 | dondelelcaro | zorael: yes, apt-get -o Dpkg::options::=--force-confnew .... |
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| 17:53.01 | zorael | dondelelcaro: cheers |
| 17:53.16 | dondelelcaro | zorael: no problem; man apt.conf; for details |
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| 17:53.45 | halt | at the end that means i will ahve one which is the system is working with in default, and for the rest i need one for each, but ok this could be a way to go it the -o src does not seams to work |
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| 17:54.32 | dondelelcaro | -o Src would work, but I think you'd have to run apt-get update first, which would be a waste of processing time and mirror traffic. |
| 17:54.49 | dondelelcaro | (because you'd be throwing away all of the other source entries each time) |
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| 17:55.57 | dondelelcaro | and you'd still have to set Dir::ETC::SourceParts="" |
| 17:56.05 | dondelelcaro | s/ETC/Etc/ |
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| 17:59.56 | zod | Hi there. I'm trying to get my wine sound working on amd64 with pulseaudio. I'm trying to install libasound-plugins:i386 but the installation fails (http://paste.debian.net/65471/). There are some "similar" bugs (#663715, #691279) but as far as i can tell it should "just work". Any hints? |
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| 18:12.44 | nicexe | How can I add partitions to my USB flash drive using only the debian wheezy live cd? |
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| 18:13.51 | zykotick9 | nicexe: i don't use the livecd every, is gparted installed by default? it's a gui partition editor. from terminal - parted, gdisk, fdisk are some of the options |
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| 18:14.24 | nicexe | zykotick9: gparted is not installed by default. I cannot install it |
| 18:14.48 | zykotick9 | nicexe: see what terminal options are provided then |
| 18:15.18 | nvteighen | IMO, cfdisk is quite straightforward |
| 18:15.23 | zykotick9 | nicexe: fdisk is the old-standby, but one of the worst choices - according to "man fdisk" |
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| 18:17.16 | nicexe | I just tried cfdisk, it does not support GPT |
| 18:17.58 | zykotick9 | nicexe: for gpt i found gdisk easy enough, but parted would be the "go to" probably |
| 18:18.46 | nicexe | bith gdisk and parted do not exist on the livecd |
| 18:18.51 | nicexe | *both |
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| 18:21.30 | nicexe | fdisk does not support GPT |
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| 18:22.30 | zykotick9 | nicexe: sorry, i assumed you knew that... |
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| 18:23.59 | linux|newb | wheezy on laptop and desktop. both seem to hang when copying files to an NFS on ubuntu 12.10 server. is there a way to monitor transfer granularly to see where issue is...? |
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| 18:24.41 | nicexe | linux|newb: try -v |
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| 18:25.29 | linux|newb | nicexe: will this report whily copying or write verbose to log? |
| 18:25.40 | linux|newb | whily? lol while* |
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| 18:25.55 | nicexe | no unless you want it to |
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| 18:26.36 | linux|newb | nicexe: I'll try it out. cheers |
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| 18:30.14 | buu | This is a somewhat generic question but when I use scp across the internet I notice that it often takes a while to build up to full speed, especially when the link is many hops away. Is there any way to encourage it to get to 'full speed' faster? |
| 18:30.24 | buu | Or maybe the output is just lying to me.. |
| 18:31.03 | zz0 | hi there... is there a way to use pacemaker resource like mpirun? |
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| 18:33.41 | ixela | buu: is this an issue with other filetransfer protocols? |
| 18:33.59 | buu | ixela: Yes |
| 18:34.02 | ixela | buu: tcp takes a bit of time to train the correct speed it can get before retransmission, which can cause a delay before a maximum speed. |
| 18:34.07 | ixela | you might have a lossy connection |
| 18:34.08 | buu | Yeah |
| 18:34.11 | tremon | buu: wiki tcp slow start, I think it's a matter of high latency |
| 18:34.23 | buu | I assumed it was a tcp thing and thus not really susceptible to changing |
| 18:34.42 | buu | ixela: I don't think its particularly lossy but it is going across an ocean |
| 18:35.02 | ixela | yeah thats going to cause it to take a while due to lag |
| 18:35.16 | buu | shrugs |
| 18:35.42 | ixela | higher latency = slower lead up time for tcp |
| 18:35.49 | ixela | if its across protocols, then its definitely tcp |
| 18:35.55 | ixela | if you want to speed up things, use UDP. |
| 18:36.41 | buu | Haha |
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| 18:36.53 | ixela | or SCTP |
| 18:37.05 | tremon | google would say to use spdy |
| 18:37.21 | ixela | zz0: what are you trying to do? |
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| 18:37.58 | buu | Woah. |
| 18:38.03 | ixela | tremon: its more centered to web content |
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| 18:38.13 | zz0 | ixela: im trying to run every process on a bewolf cluster from pacemaker maker resource |
| 18:38.29 | ixela | zz0: what do you mean....every process |
| 18:38.42 | buu | I don't suppose there's an extremely simple way to test sctp via two debian hosts? |
| 18:38.51 | denisovna | would all the distros using a similar kernel version (say 3.x) share the same peculiarities in their networking? |
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| 18:39.15 | ixela | denisovna: depends on if one of the kernels has backported patches the others don't. |
| 18:39.16 | zz0 | ixela: java, findutils, locate... |
| 18:39.43 | ixela | zz0: why would you want to run locate across a cluster? |
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| 18:40.02 | ixela | are you mapping the beowulf nodes into a single shared memory environment? |
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| 18:40.40 | ixela | zz0: mpirun doesn't care if its a beowulf cluster either |
| 18:40.46 | zz0 | ixela: its just a sample... what we really gona do is run or own C process |
| 18:40.49 | tremon | 3.x is a very wide net. That includes all kernels from the past 3 years |
| 18:40.53 | ixela | zz0: it simply talks mpi across the nodes. |
| 18:41.20 | buu | On an unrelated note, what the heck is an 'rpc call' in the context of rpcbind? |
| 18:41.22 | ixela | zz0: you don't need beowulf involved unless you're trying to do something else underneat it. |
| 18:41.38 | NotJimCarrey | can someone help me out with openvpn? i'm trying to replace --tls-remote in all my ovpn file with --verify-x509-name, but can't seem to get it right |
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| 18:42.00 | ixela | zz0: If you trying to run a c program across multiple nodes that all have mpi and some shared storage, mpirun will work just fine. |
| 18:42.19 | ixela | zz0: perhaps a better definition of the problem scope and such would help |
| 18:42.59 | buu | Its a portmapper? |
| 18:43.04 | ixela | also heartbeat/pacemaker in beowulf terms are used for HA clusters, not compute clusters. |
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| 18:43.07 | NotJimCarrey | '--verify-x509-name Server- name-prefix' won't work for each one since there are several name-prefix |
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| 18:43.17 | buu | Do programs actually use portmappers these days? |
| 18:43.26 | zz0 | ixela: thats the point... mpirun solves my problem, but how to do the samething using crm on pacemaker? |
| 18:43.32 | buu | Like if I run sshd, do programs ask on port 111 what port ssh is running on? |
| 18:43.35 | tremon | buu: nfs does |
| 18:43.40 | ixela | zz0: pacemaker isn't the same thing. |
| 18:43.45 | buu | tremon: Anything else? |
| 18:44.08 | tremon | probably more sun services, but I don't think many run NIS anymore |
| 18:44.12 | buu | oh |
| 18:44.18 | buu | So I can uninstall rpcbind? |
| 18:44.32 | ixela | probably |
| 18:44.35 | ixela | i only have it around for nfs |
| 18:44.37 | buu | Why is it installed by default? |
| 18:44.43 | ixela | to map nfs mounts |
| 18:44.48 | ixela | no rpcbind = no nfs |
| 18:44.52 | buu | Why not make nfs dependent on it then? |
| 18:45.00 | ixela | nfs is built inside the kernel |
| 18:45.03 | tremon | it does |
| 18:45.11 | ixela | i think |
| 18:45.11 | buu | oh |
| 18:45.19 | zz0 | ixela: so, is bether i dropdown this pacemaker and come to a pure mpi!? on your opnion? |
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| 18:45.22 | mumpitze1 | ixela: kernel nfs and userland nfs exist both |
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| 18:45.34 | ixela | zz0: it depends on what you're trying to do. |
| 18:45.44 | ixela | mumpitze1: thats what I thought, but then I couldn't remember fully. |
| 18:46.03 | ixela | zz0: are you trying to get high availability of services using a beowulf cluster? |
| 18:46.22 | orbisvicis | i want to backport a ubuntu package by reverting a change, the vcs repo is listed as git://git.debian.org/git/... but I cannot connect |
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| 18:46.38 | zz0 | ixela: i need to distribute the process on the nodes |
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| 18:46.54 | ixela | zz0: then yes mpi is what you're going to use |
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| 18:47.14 | ixela | zz0: HA beowulf clustering is the opposite of what you want |
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| 18:48.04 | ixela | zz0: are you trying to create a single system image or are you fine with them being disparate machines? |
| 18:48.16 | zz0 | ixela: and i can merge the mpi and HA!? |
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| 18:48.57 | zz0 | ixela: im trying to take process on network and save data on the same time |
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| 18:49.10 | ixela | zz0: no |
| 18:49.19 | zz0 | ixela: like a HA drdb and mpi together |
| 18:49.21 | ixela | zz0: you need to go read about the conecpts I think. |
| 18:49.34 | ixela | zz0: HA and MPI are not useful together |
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| 18:49.46 | ixela | HA just allows a service to fail and continue working somewhere else |
| 18:49.53 | ixela | MPI is about distributing processing across a network of computers |
| 18:49.59 | ixela | they are entirely different, unrelated things. |
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| 18:50.41 | ixela | that they happen to use a network is incidental. |
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| 18:51.01 | ixela | zz0: use MPI. Forget about beowulf for now. |
| 18:52.13 | zz0 | ixela: that's some future to use multiple disk's using drdb and mpi together? |
| 18:52.56 | zz0 | ixela: what im whant is to build one solid computer... |
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| 18:53.57 | zz0 | ixela: whith a lot raid storage and faster... |
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| 18:54.16 | ixela | zz0: drbd has nothing to do with mpi |
| 18:54.35 | ixela | zz0: and if you're trying to make a single system image, than MPI isn't what you want. |
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| 18:54.46 | ixela | steps that I would take to resolve your question |
| 18:55.03 | ixela | 1. fully form question. Describe what you're trying to do in detail. Describe what you'd like to have as a finished product. |
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| 18:55.27 | florian | good evening |
| 18:55.28 | ixela | 2. Research and understand the terms surrounding the technologies you're trying to find. Google Single System Image |
| 18:55.35 | ixela | then we can talk about more stuff |
| 18:55.46 | ixela | as it is, you're too vague in your goals and they keep shifting every time. |
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| 18:56.05 | florian | a friends debian system doesn't have the af_key module (kernel 3.2.41-042stab078.27) |
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| 18:56.13 | florian | my old system with 2.6. has the af_key module |
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| 18:56.26 | florian | is there any way to get the af_key module at his system without compiling an own kernel? |
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| 18:57.20 | zz0 | ixela: ok... thankyou for your help... |
| 18:57.29 | dondelelcaro | florian: that doesn't look like a Debian kernel |
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| 18:58.10 | dondelelcaro | florian: af_key is in the Debian 3.2.0-4 kernel and the 3.7-trunk kernel |
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| 18:59.53 | dondelelcaro | florian: dpkg -l linux-image*; and dpkg -S af_key.ko; will tell you whether there is a kernel installed which has that module. |
| 19:00.16 | ixela | yup |
| 19:00.17 | ixela | its on mine |
| 19:00.32 | drwarner | This isn't strictly debian related, but I've been running fsck.ext3 against a 4.5TB software raid5 array... I'm at 12 hours and counting, but it hasn't left pass 1D in 9 hours. Presently it's using 750mb ram, 100% cpu and I was wondering if it is 'normal' behaviour |
| 19:00.54 | ixela | thats...a very large ext3 filesystem |
| 19:01.20 | ixela | have you checked for any disk errors? |
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| 19:03.28 | dondelelcaro | drwarner: that seems a little bit large, but it could happen... did you enable the progress bar? |
| 19:03.43 | dondelelcaro | drwarner: and I'm assuming that you're not seeing any errors from the disks? |
| 19:03.55 | ixela | its definitely on the large side of ext3 : \ |
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| 19:04.01 | ixela | and yeah I'm suspicious of disk errors |
| 19:04.02 | florian | hm |
| 19:04.08 | florian | he has a vserver kernel without it.. obviously |
| 19:04.09 | florian | but.. |
| 19:04.10 | ixela | maybe nothing that has popped a drive, but potentially |
| 19:04.11 | florian | Linux astatesting 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:04.11 | florian | root@astatesting:~# lsmod | grep af_key |
| 19:04.11 | florian | root@astatesting:~# |
| 19:04.22 | ixela | florian: that just means its not loaded |
| 19:04.26 | ixela | florian: not that it doesn't exist |
| 19:04.52 | ixela | ls /lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/kernel/*/* | grep af_key |
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| 19:05.57 | dondelelcaro | ixela: easier to just use dpkg -S af_key.ko; |
| 19:06.10 | dondelelcaro | but whatever works |
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| 19:07.01 | ixela | dondelelcaro: true, though I was testing it on some other boxes that aren't debian based |
| 19:07.08 | ixela | just to see if it was there too |
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| 19:09.46 | nullbyte_ | why in xfce in the bottom of screen icons in panel doesnt shows graphic |
| 19:09.49 | nullbyte_ | graphics |
| 19:09.54 | nullbyte_ | only blank icons |
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| 19:10.45 | Razkin | what is a bouncer? |
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| 19:11.29 | Brilliant | nullbyte_: maybe the height is not enough vor 16x16 things |
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| 19:11.58 | nullbyte_ | or bad video driver |
| 19:12.26 | Brilliant | i dont know |
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| 19:15.31 | nullbyte_ | how can i install all need packages and tools for xfce and also xfce4? |
| 19:16.01 | ixela | apt-get install xfce xfce4? |
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| 19:18.44 | nullbyte_ | no |
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| 19:20.23 | ixela | no what |
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| 19:23.54 | jelly-home | no sir |
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| 19:24.03 | jelly-home | !install xfce |
| 19:24.04 | dpkg | To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies» To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install". |
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| 19:30.30 | nullbyte_ | thx jelly |
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| 19:31.26 | drwarner | dondelelcaro, ixela, there were errors - and the status bar went away after it started doing subpasses. It stopped giving me status updates after talking about duplicating multiple-claimed-blocks, but that's where it's been for the last 9 hours. |
| 19:31.28 | ixela | jelly-home: lol |
| 19:31.44 | ixela | drwarner: sounds like you have a potentially failing disk in your array |
| 19:31.52 | ixela | its busying trying to allocate blocks to new areas |
| 19:32.01 | ixela | I'd ensure you have a backup of that data. |
| 19:32.56 | drwarner | I'm only trying to get it mountable to it can all be copied to a 3x2TB set of disks, then I can build a new array, possibly ZFS |
| 19:33.12 | drwarner | s/mountable to it/mountable so it/ |
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| 19:33.35 | drwarner | I'm thinking I may give up on the fsck and mount RO. thoughts? |
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| 19:35.59 | Lorcatar | Hello, I am looking for a download manager. I use iceweasel browser. Is there something in the repo that would allow me to click on things to download in iceweasel and open the ftp:: links using the download manager? I am in synaptic and there are so many things with the tag 'download' I don't know where to start. |
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| 19:36.36 | drwarner | Lorcatar: perhaps consider using the firefox extension "Downthemall!" |
| 19:37.12 | drwarner | It's not part of the debian repo, but should install cleanly from within iceweasel itself. |
| 19:37.27 | Lorcatar | drwarner: Thank you I will try it. |
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| 19:38.05 | Brigo | downthemall are in debian: xul-ext-downthemall |
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| 19:39.35 | drwarner | Brigo: I had no idea. Thanks! - Lorcatar, did you see Brigo's answer? |
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| 19:39.38 | MrJones | hi |
| 19:39.59 | Lorcatar | I saw his answer but I had already installed it from there website. |
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| 19:40.02 | Lorcatar | I like it so far. |
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| 19:40.16 | Lorcatar | Does it support download continuation if my connection drops? |
| 19:40.18 | MrJones | lock screen doesn't work for me with gdm3/gnome-shell on debian jessie (it just does nothing). no gnome extensions enabled yet. anyone has an idea what might be the culprit? |
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| 19:56.11 | MrBIOS | Hi folks, I'm doing an unattended PXE install of Debian and it loads the preseed, but then halts with "No common CD-ROM drive was detected." |
| 19:56.26 | MrBIOS | the machine in question does not have a CD drive, and I am not attempting to install via CD, so this is rather odd, to say the least |
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| 20:00.31 | mumpitze1 | MrBIOS: how did you create the install medium? |
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| 20:00.48 | MrBIOS | it's the debian netinst pxe kernel/initrd image |
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| 20:00.53 | MrBIOS | I didn't create diddly squat |
| 20:01.11 | mumpitze1 | and you load the installer how? |
| 20:01.17 | mumpitze1 | a kernel is not a installer |
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| 20:03.27 | florian_ | good evening again |
| 20:03.27 | MrBIOS | mumpitze1: initiail bootstrap happens via PXE/tftp and then http |
| 20:03.30 | florian_ | whats the best channel for ipsec related questions? |
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| 20:04.28 | florian_ | what's wrong with http://nopaste.info/2a79d26f67.html ? |
| 20:04.48 | florian_ | it's from 193.175.49.188 |
| 20:04.56 | florian_ | with the private network 192.168.2.0/24 |
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| 20:11.14 | neuromancer | Hey, anyone know what packages might contain relevant packages for the R programming language? "aptitude search R" returned...a lot of non-R related stuff. |
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| 20:12.11 | dondelelcaro | neuromancer: r-cran-*; et al |
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| 20:12.41 | dondelelcaro | neuromancer: and you can get most of what you want by installing r-base; |
| 20:12.54 | neuromancer | dondelelcaro: Got any suggestions while I'm at it/ |
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| 20:13.06 | dondelelcaro | neuromancer: depends on what you're doing |
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| 20:13.22 | tremon | install r-recommended, it will get you most of it |
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| 20:14.07 | stew | neuromancer: you might search by tag: aptitude search '~Gdevel::lang:r' |
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| 20:14.16 | neuromancer | dondelelcaro: Creating some Data Visualizations for a class. |
| 20:14.23 | neuromancer | Using R. |
| 20:14.26 | olf-folks | would it be ok to just ask a general question about a compile error here? or would there be a better place? |
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| 20:15.32 | dondelelcaro | neuromancer: ah, cool |
| 20:15.44 | dondelelcaro | neuromancer: I'd strongly suggest using ggplot2 if you aren't already |
| 20:15.52 | neuromancer | olf-folks: Go ahead and ask. If it's related, we'll help if we can. If it's not, we'll suggest where to go. |
| 20:16.03 | neuromancer | dondelelcaro: What's that do? |
| 20:16.12 | dondelelcaro | neuromancer: it's an R module |
| 20:16.20 | neuromancer | dondelelcaro: Is it R related? I'm kinda of tied to R on this one. |
| 20:16.24 | dondelelcaro | neuromancer: http://docs.ggplot2.org/current/index.html |
| 20:16.32 | neuromancer | Thanks. |
| 20:16.37 | olf-folks | ok when trying to compile xcompmgr-dana i do ./configure and all goes good till i get http://paste.debian.net/65502/ |
| 20:17.09 | olf-folks | i was following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1412644 |
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| 20:17.30 | olf-folks | but im not haveing a dependency issue like he did |
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| 20:18.16 | neuromancer | olf-folks: Are you running Ubuntu or Debian? |
| 20:18.29 | neuromancer | They are not the same. Similar, but not the same. |
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| 20:18.56 | olf-folks | yeah this particular computer is running ubuntu |
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| 20:20.03 | emss | neuromancer try search with aptitude using debtags |
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| 20:21.58 | dondelelcaro | neuromancer: finally, there's #R on this network |
| 20:22.09 | neuromancer | olf-folks: Then I'm going to send you to #ubuntu |
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| 20:23.23 | olf-folks | neuromancer: i asked in the ubuntu channel awhile back but there is quite alot of people there and no one responded i was hoping the error would be some simple general Linux error |
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| 20:24.58 | unborn | dondelelcaro, what is #r? :) |
| 20:25.03 | neuromancer | olf-folks: Be patient, and try again, but you will get nothing by coming here. Debian users/developers cannot support Ubuntu. There are just too many differences. Even trying to support the commonalities requires knowing the commonalities. |
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| 20:25.24 | drwarner | olf-folks: keep in mind it's 1524 eastern time, a lot of people are idling while they are at work. |
| 20:25.50 | neuromancer | unborn: Stastistic and math oriented programming language. |
| 20:25.56 | drwarner | you'll get peak 'staffing' around 2000 eastern, or 0100UTC |
| 20:26.10 | unborn | olf-folks, well this are debian channels you are so welcome here.. however I used ubuntu 6.04 or what ever it was back in the time, but since I switched I am unable to support ubuntu things heh |
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| 20:26.42 | neuromancer | unborn: http://www.r-project.org/ |
| 20:26.47 | unborn | neuromancer, hey thats cool.. I may join one time a day when I will get bored of my terminal ;) |
| 20:26.48 | olf-folks | drwarner: nah the channel is being flooded with people that want help installing it, and yeah i prefer debian over ubuntu for most things |
| 20:27.05 | emss | olf-folks there is more to that log which you did not paste, but looks like you are missing some headers/development packages |
| 20:27.07 | NotJimCarrey | what's wrong with this regex? 's/text1\n/text1\ text2\n/g' |
| 20:27.22 | unborn | neuromancer, +1 |
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| 20:28.01 | olf-folks | is pkg-config a actual package? |
| 20:28.03 | unborn | neuromancer, i can give it a bit face lift if you want.. without databases and all responsive - for mobiles or tablets :) |
| 20:28.13 | nonconvergent | unborn: changed my nick |
| 20:28.21 | sjamaan | NotJimCarrey: It's multiline, which requires another flag IIRC. Or you can just match against $, which is the end of the string. Like 's/text1$/text1 text2/' |
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| 20:28.29 | olf-folks | yeah i guess it is |
| 20:28.40 | unborn | nonconvergent, i dont read chan msgs sorry heh |
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| 20:28.50 | nonconvergent | It's cool. |
| 20:28.51 | NotJimCarrey | sjamaan: dangit, thanks |
| 20:28.52 | sjamaan | The /g modifier makes no sense, as it will cause multiple matches on the same line to be replaced (but there can be only one string at the end of the line, by definition) |
| 20:28.53 | olf-folks | sweet alright thanks guys |
| 20:28.58 | olf-folks | its working now |
| 20:29.02 | NotJimCarrey | runs to get more coffee so he stops missing the obvious |
| 20:29.06 | nonconvergent | I'm distracted anyway. Learning R while listening to an algorithms lecture. |
| 20:29.18 | unborn | :) |
| 20:29.20 | NotJimCarrey | sjamaan: the full command is find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 sed -i -e 's/text1\n/text1\ text2\n/g' |
| 20:30.20 | NotJimCarrey | or rather, now: find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 sed -i -e 's/text1$/text1\ text2\g' |
| 20:30.24 | unborn | boostrap3 + php is really fun |
| 20:30.26 | NotJimCarrey | i'm guessing |
| 20:30.34 | sjamaan | You don't need the /g at the end |
| 20:30.43 | sjamaan | It does no harm, but it is not needed |
| 20:31.04 | sjamaan | And you don't need to escape the space, you're already quoting the text |
| 20:31.09 | NotJimCarrey | it's to s/r in many files |
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| 20:31.23 | sjamaan | sed is line-oriented |
| 20:31.29 | NotJimCarrey | doh |
| 20:31.34 | sjamaan | The /g modifier changes the behaviour within one line |
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| 20:35.18 | f-a | hello folks. I have a pc I want to install debian on (on an ssd). This ssd seems faulty (makefs.ext3 /dev/sda leads to a "warning: had trouble writing out superblocks"). Is there any way to work around that. I don't want to save the data on it, just to fix the problem if possible. Much of the resources out there seem to be for SATA drives, I am not sure it applies to my case too. So the question is: where should I start from? Badblocks /dev/sda? |
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| 20:36.26 | NotJimCarrey | sjamaan: "find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 sed -i -e 's/text1$/text1\ text2/'" changes every end-of-line to ^M, but doesn't append 'text2' |
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| 20:37.07 | sjamaan | That's very odd |
| 20:37.41 | NotJimCarrey | oops, find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 sed -i -e 's/text1$/text1 text2/' |
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| 20:37.50 | NotJimCarrey | took out a \ |
| 20:37.56 | sjamaan | Or are there DOS line endings in here you want to get rid of? |
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| 20:38.24 | NotJimCarrey | nope, bash script, they weren't in there till i ran the command |
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| 20:40.30 | tremon | NotJimCarrey: sed -i on stdin isn't really useful. Also, test your command with sed -ne and s//p, that will filter out non-matching lines |
| 20:40.40 | emss | f-a try specifying a partiion not the actual device so /dev/sda1 etc. |
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| 20:41.04 | NotJimCarrey | geez i'm braindead today |
| 20:41.14 | NotJimCarrey | it was the previous line |
| 20:41.22 | NotJimCarrey | i was using \n |
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| 20:41.50 | tremon | oh wait... brainfart. Ignore the comment about -i, missed the xargs. |
| 20:42.03 | emss | f-a did you partition it already? |
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| 20:42.45 | f-a | nope, emss . should I? |
| 20:42.48 | tremon | f-a: I would start by looking for firmware upgrades, otherwise badblocks could work |
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| 20:43.24 | f-a | (parted: /dev/sda: unrecognised disk label, by the way) |
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| 20:45.10 | f-a | ... badblocks /dev/sda is outputting a gigantic list of numbers... I gues my sdd is fucked :c |
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| 20:46.37 | tremon | f-a: your sda is fucked ;) |
| 20:46.50 | f-a | xD |
| 20:47.05 | trem0r | bonzai |
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| 20:47.50 | tremon | if it's not in warranty anymore, I would still try to flash new firmware to it. It's possible the disc controller is in an error state, reflashing it sometimes helps |
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| 20:49.31 | NotJimCarrey | sjamaan: "find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 sed -i -e 's/text1$/text1 text2/'" doesn't append " text2" |
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| 20:50.05 | f-a | thanks for the tip tremon. Any man page I can look at to do it (flash firmware to ssd?) |
| 20:50.49 | NotJimCarrey | frakkin sed |
| 20:51.16 | tremon | f-a: you usually need a vendor-specific tool for that, ask google. |
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| 20:51.43 | f-a | I will ask duckduckgo. Thanks again! |
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| 20:52.16 | MrJones | where do I need to go for debian testing questions? |
| 20:52.18 | nullbyte_ | debian 7 cannot boot windows 8/8.1 |
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| 20:52.40 | f-a | MrJones: I think this channel will do |
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| 20:52.53 | f-a | woops |
| 20:52.59 | f-a | I meant #debian-next |
| 20:53.05 | sjamaan | NotJimCarrey: I don't understand why. (echo 'a text1'; echo 'b text1'; echo 'blabla') | sed 's/text1$/text1 text2/' does the trick just fine |
| 20:53.06 | f-a | (as in /topic ) |
| 20:53.07 | blubberdiblub | !tell MrJones -about debian-next |
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| 20:53.10 | ScottE_ | f-a: did you create a partition table? parted will give you that error if there is none |
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| 20:55.02 | ScottE_ | f-a: and, why aren't you just letting the installer take care of that? |
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| 20:55.38 | nullbyte_ | debian 7 cannot boot windows 8/8.1 ? |
| 20:55.43 | nullbyte_ | how can i boot Win 8 |
| 20:56.44 | f-a | ScottE_: because the installer worked but left me with SSD problems (i.e. whenever I tried to download write something the system would get unusable). |
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| 20:58.59 | NotJimCarrey | i don't get it either |
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| 21:00.59 | sjamaan | NotJimCarrey: text1 doesn't contain any regex meta-characters? |
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| 21:03.53 | NotJimCarrey | sjamaan: no |
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| 21:04.04 | NotJimCarrey | find . -path "./*.ovpn" -type f -print0 | xargs -0 sed -i -e 's/com$/com name/' |
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| 21:04.18 | ChibaPet | So, I just installed RhythmBox, and it has a little "broken link" type icon (page with red X) next to the currently playing track. Does anyone know what package I might be missing that contains whatever image file it wants? |
| 21:04.27 | sjamaan | shrugs |
| 21:04.30 | sjamaan | No idea then, sorry |
| 21:05.00 | NotJimCarrey | sjamaan: i did read that sed may have problems with eol since it's line based |
| 21:05.13 | NotJimCarrey | but can't figure out how to swap sed with tr |
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| 21:05.32 | NotJimCarrey | as in: find . -path "./*.ovpn" -type f -print0 | xargs -0 tr 'com\n' 'com name\n' |
| 21:05.43 | NotJimCarrey | never used tr |
| 21:05.44 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
| 21:05.49 | sjamaan | tr doesn't work that way |
| 21:05.55 | sjamaan | It can only replace a character at a time |
| 21:05.57 | NotJimCarrey | thought so |
| 21:06.06 | NotJimCarrey | damn |
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| 21:07.23 | sjamaan | NotJimCarrey: Have you tried something like this?: find . -path "./*.ovpn" -type f -exec sed -i -e 's/com$/com name/' {} \; |
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| 21:07.30 | sjamaan | No need to mess around with xargs here |
| 21:08.04 | sjamaan | It might be that xargs is the culprit |
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| 21:08.09 | sjamaan | Less components = less chance of bugs |
| 21:08.10 | NotJimCarrey | sjamaan: just did, and nope |
| 21:08.12 | NotJimCarrey | gah |
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| 21:08.36 | sjamaan | damn |
| 21:08.38 | tremon | NotJimCarrey: can you paste one of your source files? |
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| 21:09.28 | sjamaan | Yeah, that'd help :) |
| 21:09.36 | sjamaan | But don't paste it, upload it |
| 21:09.46 | sjamaan | There may be semi-invisible binary stuff in it |
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| 21:10.02 | blubberdiblub | NotJimCarrey, if they have windows line endings, you can either convert them to unix line endings first, or tell sed explicitly about the \r at the end of the line |
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| 21:11.44 | NotJimCarrey | http://pastebin.com/3Qamqefc |
| 21:12.05 | NotJimCarrey | i'm trying to append ' name' to line 10 of a lot of ovpns |
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| 21:13.20 | NotJimCarrey | checked, the lines end in CRLF |
| 21:13.34 | sjamaan | That's the problem then |
| 21:13.44 | sjamaan | You really need the \n |
| 21:13.59 | blubberdiblub | or tell sed about the \r at the end |
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| 21:14.39 | azio_m | Why I started getting: brcms_ops_bss_info_changed: qos enabled… black screen after rebooting? Everything was fine :( |
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| 21:17.01 | NotJimCarrey | sjamaan, tremon: that did it. just had to add a dos2unix line to the script. easy enough fix |
| 21:17.04 | NotJimCarrey | thank you |
| 21:17.17 | mtn | azio_m: google that error message and you will find some links that will help you fix it. and what did you do before the problem popped up? |
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| 21:19.59 | azio_m | mtn: i installed the system through the gui installer then installed nvidia and restarted and now i get the black screen with this error. but i don't think it's related to nvidia. when i login to shell alt+f2 and i ping google.com i see there's a connection |
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| 21:20.02 | Vanscot | Howdy! |
| 21:20.34 | mtn | azio_m: why don't you think it is related to nvidia? I would be a lot that it is ;) |
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| 21:20.57 | Vanscot | I'm in dire need of help... I want to install debian into an Integrity rx1620 server.. |
| 21:21.01 | Vanscot | That uses EFI. |
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| 21:21.39 | azio_m | mtn: because brcms_ops_bss_info_changed is for Broadcom |
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| 21:22.02 | Vanscot | For that, I have the debian-7.2.0-ia64-netinst image.. |
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| 21:22.33 | ScottE_ | azio_m: did you run nvidia-xconfig? You can also look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see why X is failing. Seems orthogonal to the broadcom message to me. |
| 21:22.36 | Vanscot | And, while a CD does get me to the installer boot menu, after loading the kernel image it just reboots. |
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| 21:23.28 | Vanscot | So, has anyone here had any experience at this topic? |
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| 21:24.55 | Vanscot | <.< |
| 21:25.14 | petemc | Vanscot: which arch are you attempting to use? |
| 21:25.28 | azio_m | ScottE_: thanks i see some errors in that file, i will google them now |
| 21:25.32 | sjamaan | Vanscot: I had some trouble with EFI as well. IIRC I had to put it in "legacy" mode during the installation process to make it work |
| 21:25.43 | Vanscot | I've used ia64, amd64, i386.. |
| 21:25.51 | ScottE_ | good luck azio_m |
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| 21:25.53 | sjamaan | "it" being the BIOS boot mode |
| 21:25.58 | Vanscot | And only ia64 has gotten into the boot menu. |
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| 21:26.21 | petemc | Vanscot: you almost certainly dont want ia64, does the same thing happen with all 3? |
| 21:26.38 | Vanscot | sjamaan: It's not a laptop and doesn't have a "legacy" mode... at least not into the accesible menus. |
| 21:26.45 | jmetro_ | I'm having a super-weird network error connecting to Debian 7 server with OpenSSH and apache2 installed |
| 21:26.59 | Vanscot | petemc: No, the other 2 images don't boot at all. |
| 21:27.12 | jmetro_ | opening SFTP connections fail randomly, the socket closes randomly and my transfer stops. |
| 21:27.14 | sjamaan | Vanscot: Maybe try the Jessie installer; it behaved differently here (still broken, but different). It might work on your box |
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| 21:27.37 | jmetro_ | Im not sure where to begin troubleshooting |
| 21:27.39 | tremon | petemc: the hp integrety series are itanic machines |
| 21:27.55 | Vanscot | sjamaan: can you provide any link? Or it's googleable by just that "debian Jessie installer"? |
| 21:28.19 | Vanscot | tremon: Yup, that's the machine I have here.. |
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| 21:29.55 | sjamaan | Vanscot: It's the installer for testing. I think you can find it by following the links from the main page |
| 21:29.57 | petemc | tremon: didnt read back, cheers |
| 21:30.00 | sjamaan | I don't have the link handy here |
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| 21:30.17 | tremon | Vanscot: yes, ia64 is the correct image for you but it gets very little testing. efi is a challenge on i386 and amd64 as well. You could try both the squeeze and jessie installers, but you may have to do much digging yourself |
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| 21:30.46 | Vanscot | tremon: would it be easier to use a tftp install? |
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| 21:30.53 | Vanscot | Or it's the same/worse? |
| 21:30.59 | tremon | petemc: I actually had to double-check, I was also immediately triggered by the mention of ia64 :) |
| 21:30.59 | sjamaan | Good call, that should help |
| 21:31.05 | jmetro_ | Anyone know where to begin troubleshooting? my SFTP sockets are randomly closing and its super-breaking this web devlopment im trying to do |
| 21:31.11 | sjamaan | I think it's really grub that causes trouble, no? |
| 21:31.31 | ChibaPet | So, I just installed RhythmBox, and it has a little "broken link" type icon (page with red X) next to the currently playing track. Does anyone know what package I might be missing that contains whatever image file it wants? |
| 21:31.45 | tremon | Vanscot: I don't think it will make a difference, since the boot menu works fine. It seems to be that the kernel itself is failing, but using tftp you will be booting the same kernel |
| 21:31.51 | sjamaan | jmetro_: You might need TCPKeepAlive in your sshd config |
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| 21:32.05 | Vanscot | I see.. |
| 21:32.07 | Vanscot | So, it's the kernel... |
| 21:32.26 | sjamaan | tremon: I had problems even with the boot menu |
| 21:32.30 | Vanscot | I had the idea it could be that, since no matter what param I passed, it wouldn't spit any debug info. |
| 21:32.40 | tremon | Vanscot: I'm guessing, but I'm only basing that on your description of where the boot is failing |
| 21:32.45 | jmetro_ | sjamaan: The weird thing is that this onyl just started happening, i've been keeping the sftp connection open for hours+ the past couple of days but now its like its timing out in 30 seconds, and it keeps hanging on reconnect at "Host key accepted" |
| 21:33.23 | Vanscot | Well, it just reboots itself after the extraction of the kernel and the loading of the image.. |
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| 21:33.54 | sjamaan | jmetro_: Now that's weird. Maybe they've installed Slowloris DoS protection? |
| 21:34.03 | sjamaan | But over the ssh port... |
| 21:34.19 | jmetro_ | sjamaan: I'd hope i didnt install anything without realizing it.. its a virtual machine @.@ |
| 21:34.22 | jmetro_ | that i run |
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| 21:34.48 | sjamaan | oh, I was assuming you were connecting to some data center :) |
| 21:34.58 | tremon | Vanscot: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ <-- find the squeeze installer here (6.0) |
| 21:35.14 | jmetro_ | sjamaan: not yet at least =) I have to stand up a full production environment for testing before the project will get approved |
| 21:35.27 | Vanscot | Oki.. |
| 21:35.28 | sjamaan | jmetro_: Maybe run a tcpdump on port 22, plus sftp -v -v -v -v and see what happens when it disconnects? |
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| 21:35.54 | tremon | Vanscot: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ <-- and the jessie installer here (it's testing, so it might be horribly broken. But that seems on par with wheezy for you) |
| 21:35.54 | azio_m | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#configure .. Do I keep: Identifier "My GPU"… or I should enter something specific to my machine? |
| 21:36.30 | jmetro_ | sjamaan: ill do the tcpdump - im not sure that Notepad++'s sftp plugin can track the error properly |
| 21:36.45 | jmetro_ | sjamaan: the most its told me is "error reading socket" |
| 21:36.55 | sjamaan | Maybe you can enable verbose logging at the sshd level |
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| 21:37.31 | jmetro_ | sjamaan: now this is super-screwy, it just was unable to connect out to ftp.us.debian.org to get the tcpdump package... |
| 21:37.43 | tremon | azio_m: doesn't matter, it's only an identifier for you to be used in log files and config files |
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| 21:38.07 | sjamaan | This is Windows? You might have some malware on the host system |
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| 21:38.58 | Vanscot | Thanks, I'll try those images. |
| 21:39.09 | jmetro_ | sjamaan: Ugh.. or untintentional blocking via virus software... [runs his killmcafee script] |
| 21:40.04 | tremon | Vanscot: otherwise, there's also #debian-boot on oftc. You're likely to find some maintainers of the debian installer there |
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| 21:40.52 | Vanscot | Ok, I'll bookmark the urls and save the chat for later use, snce I have to go and do some reading (it seems) |
| 21:40.56 | Vanscot | Thanks for the help. |
| 21:40.56 | Vanscot | :D |
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| 21:55.24 | donnib_ | Hi |
| 21:55.57 | donnib_ | can anybody help me with an apt-get upgrade problem i have ? I get an error when doing apt-get upgrade, http://pastebin.com/et6wgamc |
| 21:56.12 | donnib_ | i think some packages are corrupted |
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| 21:59.00 | tremon | donnib_: that segfault looks worrying. Could you also check whether /usr/share/locale/nl/LC_MESSAGES is a file or directory on that system? |
| 21:59.56 | arthurfiggis | donnib_: sorry, i'm taking a look at it as well but i'm not even sure where to begin...there are packages being held back, something segfaulted during the process as tremon pointed out :( if possible could you output uname -a so that everyone knows what you're running also? |
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| 22:00.17 | tremon | I would try to upgrade dpkg and apt first, maybe the problem has been fixed already |
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| 22:00.49 | donnib_ | tremon: thx but i think that is a problem because i am running on terminal ssh from mac, i tried earlier from a debian and it did not complain about the locale |
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| 22:01.19 | donnib_ | let me inform that the debian is on an SD card where i had an power failure and i did fsck to get the system booting |
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| 22:01.38 | tremon | also wonders how many armhf machines can make use of libdrm drivers |
| 22:01.52 | donnib_ | and now i have an issue with an app that i have installed so i wanted to reinstall a package and got into this issue |
| 22:02.16 | tremon | donnib_: I'm not asking because of the perl warning, but "trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/nl/LC_MESSAGES'" |
| 22:02.50 | tremon | that shouldn't happen if that path is a directory |
| 22:02.57 | donnib_ | arthurfiggis: Linux incrediblepbx 3.2.27+ #250 PREEMPT Thu Oct 18 19:03:02 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux |
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| 22:03.47 | donnib_ | tremon: LC_MESSAGES is a file |
| 22:04.41 | tremon | donnib_: it shouldn't be, that was probably an incorrect fix by fsck. Move it out of the way, and create a directory in its place |
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| 22:05.38 | tremon | probably all your dutch translations are now broken, you'd need to reinstall all packages or restore from backup if you care about that |
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| 22:05.54 | donnib_ | just to inform you where i started from. this is what tricked me to believe that i had to reinstall a package, this is an error thrown by the app : /usr/bin/php: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libqdbm.so.14: invalid ELF header |
| 22:06.10 | donnib_ | tremon: no dutch for me so that's ok |
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| 22:06.34 | ChibaPet | So, I just installed RhythmBox, and it has a little "broken link" type icon (page with red X) next to the currently playing track. Does anyone know what package I might be missing that contains whatever image file it wants? |
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| 22:07.01 | tremon | that last one reeks of filesystem corruption. You had a very bad shutdown if even libraries are now corrupted. Were you running an upgrade when the box crashed? |
| 22:07.19 | tty-1 | I got a mount: permission denied. But that error message doesn't indicate what device caused this. How can one find out? |
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| 22:08.25 | tremon | donnib_: most of those errors are recoverable by reinstalling the package, i.e. dpkg -S ${invalid file}, then apt-get --reinstall install $package. But if many files are corrupt, a reinstall might be faster |
| 22:08.30 | donnib_ | tremon: no i was not |
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| 22:09.08 | donnib_ | tremon: i want to get it up and running so i can concentrate on reinstalling everything again afterwards |
| 22:09.21 | donnib_ | tremon: so i would appreciate if i could get it up and running |
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| 22:09.55 | tremon | ok, I would reinstall apt and dpkg first. just run apt-get install dpkg apt. Hopefully that succeeds without crashing |
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| 22:10.29 | i5513 | hello people, I am having trouble to mount my usb drive on my debian sid box |
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| 22:11.25 | buu | i5513: does lsub see it? does dmesg show you something? Does it show up in /dev/? What errors do you see? |
| 22:11.28 | buu | *lsusb |
| 22:12.03 | i5513 | From awesome wm I get next message: http://pastebin.com/8Am4HGf0 |
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| 22:12.17 | donnib_ | tremon: ok let me try that |
| 22:12.26 | i5513 | I'm suspecting that systemd-logind is preventing me mount my usb |
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| 22:12.41 | nullbyte_ | kvirc and xfce it;s possible? |
| 22:12.55 | buu | i5513: What happens when you try to mount it? |
| 22:13.10 | i5513 | Usually I use gnome in this desktop (I was testing gnome shell) |
| 22:13.44 | donnib_ | tremon: no luck : http://pastebin.com/EiFTp2tB |
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| 22:14.23 | i5513 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:15.31 | tremon | donnib_: if /usr/lib/dpkg is now also a file instead of a directory, there's very little chance that your system is still salvageable. Again, move the file away, create a directory in its place and retry |
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| 22:16.12 | buu | i5513: What is the exact message |
| 22:16.38 | tremon | donnib: I would also suggest running apt-get --reinstall install dpkg as one of the first things you do |
| 22:17.36 | cafuego | tremon: apt-get uses dpkg, so that's unlikely to work. |
| 22:17.47 | i5513 | buu: I'm going to try from gnome (the last month I had no problem to mount this device) |
| 22:18.16 | i5513 | And then I will return and will report results |
| 22:18.36 | i5513 | I hope my device is not broken .. |
| 22:18.41 | tremon | cafuego: yeah, but so far dpkg seems to be working fine (?) -- for very minimal values of fine |
| 22:19.08 | i5513 | buu: not other message than the dmesg in pastebin linke |
| 22:19.17 | i5513 | thank you, see you later |
| 22:19.33 | cafuego | Oh sorry, /usr/lib was the busted one... not /usr/bin. Continue :-) |
| 22:22.14 | donnib_ | tremon: seems like deleting dpkg and creating a folder got the upgrade going but still get some Permission denied |
| 22:22.18 | donnib_ | on Xserver |
| 22:22.38 | donnib_ | and stuff like this ldconfig: /usr/lib/libaprutil-1.so.0.4.1 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start. |
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| 22:22.55 | buu | Uh |
| 22:23.01 | buu | I wonder if we fixed it. |
| 22:23.03 | donnib_ | but it keeps on going for the moment |
| 22:23.04 | tremon | donnib_: can you try removing that man1/Xserver file? |
| 22:23.24 | donnib_ | sure, when it finishes i'll try that |
| 22:23.33 | tremon | it's only a manual page, they're available all over the 'net |
| 22:23.46 | donnib_ | but it does not seem to care |
| 22:24.07 | donnib_ | i mean it doesn't hold it back for continuing upgrade |
| 22:24.41 | donnib_ | i also get a bunch of these : insserv: warning: script is corrupt or invalid: /etc/init.d/../rc1.d/K03mysql |
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| 22:26.14 | tremon | for files in /etc/ you may need to use --force-confdef to restore the correct file. |
| 22:26.23 | tremon | !tell donnib_ about confmiss |
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| 22:28.06 | donnib_ | tremon: aha, what does confiss do ? |
| 22:28.06 | alusion | My bashrc is wrong somehow |
| 22:28.17 | alusion | bash: /home/alu/.bashrc: line 166: syntax error: unexpected end of file |
| 22:28.30 | tremon | donnib_: see pm from dpkg, or /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 22:28.35 | alusion | I get this when I execute bash |
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| 22:30.46 | jordanm | alusion: paste your .bashrc |
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| 22:31.29 | jordanm | !tell alusion about cross-post |
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| 22:32.03 | alusion | http://sprunge.us/LjQN |
| 22:32.26 | jordanm | alusion: you are getting help in another channel which you asked at the exact same time |
| 22:32.36 | donnib_ | tremon: here is the results of apt-get upgrade http://pastebin.com/QKuWs1RV |
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| 22:33.29 | tomman | Hello again |
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| 22:33.56 | tomman | I'm having some problems with uupdate and Wine. |
| 22:33.57 | tremon | debian should be very proud to be so resilient |
| 22:34.08 | donnib_ | :) |
| 22:34.16 | tomman | Yesterday I managed to build Wine 1.4 (downloaded with apt-get source) |
| 22:34.31 | tomman | Tried uupdate with the 1.6 tarball, and failed. |
| 22:34.45 | tomman | I found a different .diff.gz on this bug report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=717971 |
| 22:34.48 | tomman | which worked like a champ |
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| 22:35.01 | tomman | Now I'm trying to uupdate THAT with the upstream 1.7.6 |
| 22:35.11 | tomman | yet it fails with a "uupdate: a native Debian package cannot take upstream updates" |
| 22:35.56 | tremon | tomman: building wine is a challenge in itself, I doubt many people here have tried. If you don't get the response here, do try the pkg-wine-party mailinglist |
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| 22:37.04 | tomman | I actually succeeded yesterday with a chroot, using the .dsc from the Testing repo and that updated .diff.gz from the bug report. |
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| 22:37.13 | tomman | the package builds, installs and runs just fine. |
| 22:37.16 | tomman | --packages |
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| 22:37.42 | tomman | So the problem here is not building, rather it's more packaging related as I'm still very new to the whole .deb packaging biz |
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| 22:37.58 | tremon | that's an accomplishment. Or maybe I'm just behind the curve and is current wine the epitome of beautiful packaging :) |
| 22:38.21 | tomman | I could cheat and build a standalone massive .deb using one of the many guides out there, but I don't want to cheat :P |
| 22:38.46 | tremon | the error message refers to the package format, which can be native or quilt iirc. It's in the debian packaging guidelines somewhere |
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| 22:39.10 | dondelelcaro | tomman: sure, I can help you out |
| 22:39.19 | tomman | Any starting point? I only have experience with RPM packages (which were much easier, just a .spec file...) |
| 22:39.23 | dondelelcaro | tomman: you ended up creating a native package because you didn't create an orig.tar.gaz |
| 22:39.30 | tomman | Hmmm... |
| 22:39.46 | tomman | What's exactly a "native package" in this context? |
| 22:39.53 | alusion | figured it out |
| 22:39.56 | dondelelcaro | tomman: a native package is a package which does not have a Debian diff. |
| 22:39.58 | alusion | It was the say function |
| 22:40.13 | alusion | which is a text to speech thing |
| 22:40.19 | i5513 | buu: in gnome doesn't work , so it is another issue, I will try with other kernel, and will try to study the problem more, before asking here again. from ms so it works |
| 22:40.35 | dondelelcaro | tomman: in short, the package contains the debian directory and everything necessary to package it |
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| 22:41.03 | dondelelcaro | tomman: normally, Debian source packages include the upstream tarball, a dsc (description of the source package), and a diff.gz or a debian.tar.gz. |
| 22:41.06 | tomman | So in other words, it's like a "standalone" dir? |
| 22:41.26 | dondelelcaro | tomman: native packages only include a tarball and a dsc. |
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| 22:41.58 | nullbyte_ | i don't have a sound in XFCE |
| 22:41.59 | nullbyte_ | ? |
| 22:41.59 | tomman | OK, I get it. |
| 22:42.02 | themill | tomman: the changelog in that patch is wrong -- the version should be 1.6.0-0 not 1.6 |
| 22:42.04 | dondelelcaro | tomman: but in this case, since you're packaging just for yourself, it's not really a big deal. You can probably get away with just copying the debian directory |
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| 22:42.07 | nullbyte_ | i need packages? |
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| 22:42.30 | tomman | dondelelcaro: So it's matter of copying the directory, fixing the number version, and praying for the best? |
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| 22:43.01 | tomman | (and fixing the build errors as they come up) |
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| 22:43.17 | tomman | I used to do it all the time on Fedora, now I need to learn the Debian Way. |
| 22:43.37 | dondelelcaro | tomman: in this case, that will work, yes. |
| 22:43.52 | dondelelcaro | if you were actually packaging this for Debian, you'd have to do more work, but that's the basic idea |
| 22:44.10 | buu | i5513: Er, why don't you try with the actual mount command? |
| 22:44.31 | tomman | dondelelcaro: And what changes are needed to achieve that "proper way"? |
| 22:44.32 | i5513 | i need mount /dev/sdb1 ... |
| 22:44.34 | tomman | Just curious |
| 22:44.42 | i5513 | and sdb1 is not recognize by the kernel |
| 22:45.01 | dondelelcaro | tomman: you'd have to have the orig.tar.gz, the correct version in debian/changelog, and use dpkg-source -b etc. to set up the package. |
| 22:45.09 | dondelelcaro | tomman: the NM guide covers this to some degree |
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| 22:45.18 | dondelelcaro | !tell tomman -about nm guide |
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| 22:46.03 | i5513 | mount: no medium found on /dev/sdb |
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| 22:47.19 | buu | i5513: It should be /dev/sdb1.. |
| 22:47.28 | buu | i5513: What does ls /dev/sd* show? |
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| 22:47.51 | buu | i5513: What does mkdir foo; sudo mount -t auto /dev/sdb1 foo; show? |
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| 22:48.39 | i5513 | from dmesg, /dev/sdb1 is not there |
| 22:48.46 | i5513 | # ls /dev/sd* === /dev/sda /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2/dev/sda5 /dev/sdb |
| 22:49.14 | buu | Well, ok. what does mount /dev/sdb foo; report? |
| 22:49.24 | buu | What is the drive formatted as? |
| 22:49.44 | i5513 | buu : it is a sdcard from a phone |
| 22:49.50 | buu | So fat32? |
| 22:49.51 | i5513 | surely in fat32 |
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| 22:50.05 | buu | i5513: Ok.. try the mount command please.. |
| 22:50.25 | i5513 | buu: mount: no medium found on /dev/sdb |
| 22:50.33 | buu | oh |
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| 22:50.41 | buu | Ohhhh |
| 22:50.48 | i5513 | at 23:46 I put the message :) |
| 22:51.04 | buu | Sorry, I didn't understand it. I thought you were talking about a usb harddrive or similar. |
| 22:51.17 | i5513 | yes it is pretty similar |
| 22:51.28 | buu | So is this an internal or external card reader? |
| 22:51.31 | i5513 | this phone always show sdb and sdb1 |
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| 22:52.04 | i5513 | the phone is connected, and the card is inside the phone |
| 22:52.28 | i5513 | the phone and MS Win read the phone and the card |
| 22:52.28 | buu | You're trying to mount the *phone* over usb? |
| 22:52.36 | abrotman | what's wrong with that? |
| 22:52.51 | prattmic | I am getting errors trying to upgrade ghc-doc on testing. http://paste.debian.net/65529/ |
| 22:52.58 | i5513 | and this laptop always read it right |
| 22:53.00 | i5513 | until today |
| 22:53.48 | i5513 | I'm not sure why it is failing, maybe I have to test it from a live cd to discard hardwares issues |
| 22:54.00 | mumpitze1 | i5513: is the phone using android 4? recently updated? |
| 22:55.12 | i5513 | no, this is a old android system (2.3.4) |
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| 22:55.43 | mumpitze1 | i5513: check your dmesg output when you plug it in. make sure usb mass storage is loaded |
| 22:56.49 | prattmic | It seems this newer version of ghc is broken? |
| 22:57.35 | abrotman | prattmic: and oyu've surely checked the BTS? |
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| 22:58.32 | shingouz | i5513: this might be a stupid comment, but check that your phone os actually set to mass storage... somewhere in the settings iirc. just too lazy to get my phone from the other side of the room |
| 22:58.47 | shingouz | s/os/is |
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| 22:59.30 | abrotman | win 23 |
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| 22:59.51 | higa | anyone want to buy a 4GB ram stick for $25? |
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| 23:00.52 | i5513 | mumpitze1: http://pastebin.com/Y067ZCgp is the output of dmesg |
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| 23:01.12 | shingouz | mumbles something about still having a few boxen with hd's smaller than 4GB |
| 23:01.32 | i5513 | mumpitze1: and lsmod | grep usb output |
| 23:01.43 | prattmic | abrotman: This bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=714458 seems somewhat relevant (one of the same errors), but I'm not sure |
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| 23:01.57 | i5513 | shingouz: yes the phone is in the right connection mode |
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| 23:02.34 | shingouz | just a thought, as i said i5513 |
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| 23:03.02 | i5513 | shingouz: thank you for the suggestion |
| 23:03.05 | mumpitze1 | i5513: you have a sdb then |
| 23:03.16 | i5513 | yes, but not sdb1 |
| 23:03.25 | i5513 | I will test with an older kernel |
| 23:03.36 | mumpitze1 | check via fdisk -l, look at the first sector of sdb with a hex editor |
| 23:03.40 | nonconvergent | Is there a package for Rstudio? |
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| 23:04.00 | up365 | what's this now,ebiayn? |
| 23:04.06 | mumpitze1 | look at sectors (sector 64 which should be the start of first partition with one too) |
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| 23:05.57 | abrotman | prattmic: what's in /usr/lib/ghc/settings ? |
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| 23:07.15 | i5513 | mumpitze1: thank you by the tip, now I have to go to sleep, but tomorrow I will see. (but if win read fine the partition, it should be ok, and the phone too read the card ..) |
| 23:07.34 | i5513 | thank you all ! |
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| 23:13.31 | prattmic | abrotman: It was missing the directive in the error, though it looks like simply re-running the upgrade worked |
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| 23:17.22 | abrotman | ok |
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| 23:26.32 | arthurfiggis | mumpitze1: just seeing you discuss that and out of curiousity, what would you recommend for a hex editor that doesn't have problems with disk access? i've been thinking of giving ht a try since it apparently disassembles as well |
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| 23:32.42 | lennycz | Hi guys, i have this Q: What is the chain of apps involved between these two moments, say it's Xfce and a simple plain text file set up to open in Mousepad: A) I hit double-click the file in Thunar or Nautilus etc., Z) Mousepad is launched with the file |
| 23:33.42 | lennycz | my BG is that I have a bug which seems to happen even when I use different app for A as well as Z |
| 23:34.20 | lennycz | e.g. Thunar > > Mousepad *or* Nautilus > > LO Calc |
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| 23:42.14 | nonconvergent | What's the package to configure qt applications to use gtk? |
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| 23:43.59 | zhr0 | when i shutdown debian poweroff what can i do to check the system? |
| 23:44.06 | zhr0 | wont |
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