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| 00:00.36 | funky | how do you change the init scripts order? update-rc.d doesn't work for me |
| 00:01.08 | Gargantua | ectospasm: according to this http://software.schmorp.de/pkg/rxvt-unicode.html it is not implemented yet. |
| 00:01.10 | funky | http://paste.debian.net/56839/ |
| 00:01.41 | ectospasm | funky: I dunno the proper way to do it, but you can renumber the init links in /etc/rc<runlevel>.d/ |
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| 00:02.13 | funky | yup, that doesn't work either, that's why I'm trying to do the debian way |
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| 00:02.44 | funky | I have manually renamed the symlinks but that bloody script keeps being launched as before |
| 00:04.11 | ectospasm | do you want that script to run at all? |
| 00:04.18 | funky | ok, I think I've found the culprit |
| 00:04.20 | funky | /etc/init.d/pulseaudio:# Should-Stop: udev network-manager |
| 00:04.39 | Gargantua | funky: out of curiousity, what are you trying to do? |
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| 00:05.40 | funky | Gargantua: reboot/halt doesn't work in my box, because my wifi card is configured through network-manager, but the funny thing is that network-manager is killed before umountnfs.sh script, so the reboot/halt process hangs when it tries to unmount shared drives |
| 00:06.42 | Gargantua | Eek |
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| 00:07.31 | Gargantua | My life has gotten so much simpler since I've dumped network-manager |
| 00:08.17 | alonzoh | what do you use instead? |
| 00:08.49 | funky | wicd I guess |
| 00:09.23 | Gargantua | alonzoh: /etc/network/interface and ifup/ifdown |
| 00:09.35 | alonzoh | Gargantua: with wireless? |
| 00:09.41 | funky | I don't want to leave my wifi key in that file |
| 00:09.42 | Gargantua | yeah |
| 00:09.45 | alonzoh | =/ |
| 00:09.52 | alonzoh | sounds tedious |
| 00:10.37 | Gargantua | it works for my needs, i can imagine it being tedious for someone that constantly switches wlans though |
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| 00:13.46 | quinso | If I have dual monitor setup and 2nd is disabled in nvidia settings, how can I run an additional x server on the 2nd monitor and run a program in it? |
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| 00:15.15 | alonzoh | quinso: by enabling it? |
| 00:16.11 | quinso | What I want to do is to only use it for some chosen apps and not have cursor travelling between them or them sharing the same picture. |
| 00:16.51 | funky | why not as extended monitor (only one x server) |
| 00:16.55 | alonzoh | quinso: not have cursor travelling between them? |
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| 00:17.09 | funky | ah ok |
| 00:17.16 | quinso | The thing is - the second monitor is my tv and I want only to run xbmc on it. |
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| 00:18.08 | ectospasm | inneresting |
| 00:18.14 | ectospasm | I wouldn't have thought to do that |
| 00:18.23 | alonzoh | so you just want to keep the mouse on one |
| 00:18.27 | alonzoh | that is interesting |
| 00:18.33 | quinso | yeah |
| 00:18.35 | ectospasm | but then again my monitors are usually far enough away from my teevee that it would be impractical. |
| 00:19.09 | alonzoh | well, nvidia's driver comes with gobs of awful documentation you could read |
| 00:19.16 | alonzoh | has all sorts of features people don't usually use |
| 00:19.31 | alonzoh | or you could drop $35 on an rpi |
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| 00:20.11 | quinso | And then some more for transferring files, some storage and other stuff |
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| 00:22.32 | ectospasm | alonzoh: +1 on rpi |
| 00:22.37 | ectospasm | That's what I did |
| 00:22.48 | ectospasm | I'm running OpenELEC because it just works |
| 00:23.03 | funky | I prefer raspbmc |
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| 00:23.30 | ectospasm | Rapbmc had issues for me (mainly getting Bluetooth to work was constantly a pain) |
| 00:23.33 | ectospasm | !ot |
| 00:23.33 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 00:23.56 | funky | :) |
| 00:24.12 | funky | raspbmc is based on raspbian which is based on debian :) |
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| 00:25.16 | dhanasekaran1 | Hi Guys ,How to get the commands issued in a ssh session |
| 00:25.28 | dhanasekaran1 | in my remote server |
| 00:26.25 | ectospasm | funky: yes, and Debian does not recommend using an RPi |
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| 00:27.31 | alonzoh | I'd just use whatever distro you already use |
| 00:27.37 | alonzoh | unless your distro was so awful as to not support arm |
| 00:27.52 | ectospasm | alonzoh: Debian does not support the ARM on RPi |
| 00:27.59 | alonzoh | ectospasm: no? |
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| 00:28.18 | ectospasm | https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi |
| 00:28.49 | alonzoh | ectospasm: is it just me, or does that say the opposite of what you just said? |
| 00:29.09 | ectospasm | Debian armel will work, but will not make best use of the floating point hardware. Debian armhf will not work (see below). |
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| 00:29.29 | ectospasm | if you're not going to use the hf bits, you're wasting something |
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| 00:29.54 | alonzoh | so what you're saying is Debian will work? =P |
| 00:30.39 | ectospasm | yes, I stand corrected. |
| 00:30.47 | ectospasm | but it won't run *well* |
| 00:31.20 | ectospasm | ...Raspbian is your best bet for a Debian-like OS on the Raspberry Pi |
| 00:31.44 | ectospasm | ...but it was kludgy for me, and unreliable. |
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| 00:32.05 | ectospasm | OpenELEC, decidedly not Debian, is a lower path of resistance. |
| 00:32.28 | ectospasm | I rarely need to SSH into it, and it's surprising how much I would enjoy that. |
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| 00:33.15 | alonzoh | does it end in 'bian' because it's Debian? |
| 00:33.44 | ectospasm | it has Debian devs working on it, but it is not really Debian proper. |
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| 00:36.51 | alonzoh | sounds like a super important distinction =) |
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| 00:37.26 | icesword | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:40.11 | icesword | dpkg hi |
| 00:40.11 | dpkg | what's up |
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| 00:43.42 | ectospasm | dpkg: tell icesword -about radeon |
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| 00:54.11 | funky | FWIW, I've switched to wicd and removed network-manager, now my system reboots perfectly |
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| 00:55.44 | JeroenDL2 | I've downloaded a debian iso (http://exploit-exercises.com/protostar) but I can't get it to have AZERTY (belgian) keyboard input. dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration runs, but I'm still in QWERTY after it |
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| 01:00.58 | lsd9890s87j | Good night everybody. What is the easiest way to share internet connection between two network adapters? |
| 01:01.10 | lsd9890s87j | i mean ICS |
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| 01:02.59 | TechLover | I'm very noob in the matter I will ask: fan notify can detect metadata changes ? |
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| 01:06.03 | icesword | hello again |
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| 01:06.43 | TechLover | hello icesword |
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| 01:07.31 | icesword | debian is in a vm, software is virtualbox, so how i get it to display in 1366X768, now it s 1024X768 |
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| 01:13.42 | icesword | any wiki page on how to set resolution |
| 01:14.15 | icesword | !tell me about resolution |
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| 01:20.43 | ectospasm | icesword: you mean /msg dpkg resolution |
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| 01:20.46 | ectospasm | for next time. |
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| 01:21.28 | themill | icesword: you need to install the "guest additions" inside the VM. virtualbox-guest-dkms is in Debian although it might not be a version that is compatible with your host virtualbox |
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| 01:28.24 | johnfg | If anyone wants to know, hp-setup worked for me; finally. But I needed to 'tell' it the ip address, not let it find it. |
| 01:28.37 | johnfg | This was *very* poorly documented. |
| 01:29.01 | johnfg | (not debian's fault, but in the hplip docs). |
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| 01:29.36 | ectospasm | I think I ran hp-setup once, but I don't remember why. |
| 01:29.55 | ectospasm | With my OfficeJet, though, it... just... worked... when I plugged it in. |
| 01:31.25 | johnfg | Pretty nice interface through the hplip-gui for what you want todo. |
| 01:31.46 | klys | has been doing some shopping |
| 01:32.05 | ectospasm | I think I just installed hplip, plugged it in, and everything just worked OOTB |
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| 01:32.23 | klys | I want something like this to work: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Toshiba-MK3001GRRB-300-GB-2-5-Internal-Hard-Drive-Hard-Drive-For-Notebook-/281175270019 |
| 01:32.31 | ectospasm | To set it up wirelessly I had to use the interface on the printer to log into the WLAN |
| 01:32.50 | klys | so I found this: http://www.aimtec.co.uk/addonics-online/express-card-cardbus/mini-sas-expresscard-34.html |
| 01:32.52 | ectospasm | ...then load it with CUPS (which found it when searching for it) |
| 01:33.19 | klys | and here is the connector: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-SAS-4x-SFF-8088-26pin-TO-4-SFF-8482-SAS-29pin-hard-disk-raid-cable-1m-/161078884188 |
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| 01:33.54 | klys | so it looks like I'll have to use this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-ExpressCard-Express-Card-34-to-PCMCIA-PC-Card-Adapter-/300608968778 |
| 01:34.20 | klys | ...which should use the module `pciehp.ko' |
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| 01:35.13 | klys | thing is I haven't bought this stuff yet (next month?) and I don't know for sure it would work. |
| 01:35.53 | klys | the addonics thing "works with linux." |
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| 01:37.18 | klys | ~seen peters |
| 01:37.20 | apt | peters <~peter@wire.p12n.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 29d 9h 28m 42s ago, saying: 'mislav: if you run aptitude interactively, you can see the download size vs. installed size for each package. maybe there's one specific package whose data just comparesses really really well'. |
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| 01:40.21 | klys | themill: can you think of a relevant factoid? |
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| 01:41.37 | Bronze | Is there any significant difference in the number of packages supported for 32-bit debian and 64 bit debian? |
| 01:41.49 | klys | not really, no. |
| 01:41.56 | Bronze | gracias |
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| 01:45.29 | klys | !sas |
| 01:45.29 | dpkg | sas is probably Serial Attached <SCSI>. See also <hpsa>, <isci>, <megaraid>. |
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| 01:46.42 | klys | strange thing about SAS, I haven't seen a dual SAS/SCSI card anywhere |
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| 01:50.11 | Memmaker1980 | Hi, anyone know how to list the channels in webchat? |
| 01:50.48 | klys | by webchat, you mean freenode or mibbit or what |
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| 01:51.00 | kitso | Memmaker1980: /list |
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| 01:53.01 | __[DIAPER]__ | Diaper |
| 01:53.04 | Memmaker1980 | kitso: The result appear in Status tab... now I see. lol |
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| 01:58.57 | klys | !pcie |
| 01:58.57 | dpkg | PCI Express (PCIe) is an expansion card interface format. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express . Not to be confused with <PCI-X>. |
| 01:59.43 | klys | !pciehp |
| 02:00.24 | klys | `pciehp |
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| 02:01.07 | klys | ,pciehp |
| 02:01.34 | LtL | klys: please use /msg dpkg keyword |
| 02:01.57 | klys | I saw dpkg's factoid |
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| 02:04.57 | Memmaker1980 | Hi. |
| 02:05.21 | klys | wb |
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| 02:06.54 | Memmaker1980 | I will like to chat with anyone. |
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| 02:07.34 | klys | memmaker1980: what kind of computer do you have |
| 02:08.07 | LtL | !chat |
| 02:08.07 | dpkg | This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or #defocus on irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:08.10 | Memmaker1980 | klys - 386 dx 66 (lol) |
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| 02:08.21 | Memmaker1980 | !chat |
| 02:08.21 | dpkg | This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or #defocus on irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:09.01 | Memmaker1980 | klys - is a i686 1.6ghz 2gb ram, what? |
| 02:09.19 | klys | k, what are you doing |
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| 02:09.54 | Memmaker1980 | because my "ms-dos nick"? |
| 02:09.57 | Memmaker1980 | lol |
| 02:10.12 | klys | well, not so much |
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| 02:12.18 | Memmaker1980 | klys where are you from? |
| 02:12.22 | klys | ut |
| 02:12.36 | LtL | Memmaker1980: you don't read too well do you |
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| 02:13.36 | Memmaker1980 | Ltl, sorry! |
| 02:13.37 | Memmaker1980 | I read now. |
| 02:13.41 | Memmaker1980 | I m shut up |
| 02:13.45 | klys | ltl what are you doing with your system? |
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| 02:14.59 | ksool | I have a mactel iMac currently without Mac OS X installed. I was able to install Wheezy through netboot, but not a bootloader. What's the current recommended way of getting debian to boot from this scenario? |
| 02:15.21 | klys | lilo |
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| 02:15.47 | ksool | klys: lilo handles all the mac weirdness in ways grub doesn't? |
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| 02:16.07 | klys | can you boot grub already? |
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| 02:16.44 | ksool | No, when I boot it just goes to the mac 'select a boot method' screen, and the local hard drive is not an option. |
| 02:17.05 | ksool | Booting forever from the network is an option, but sounds like the wrong way to do it. |
| 02:17.44 | klys | and if you install an mbr on the hdd, then? |
| 02:18.15 | ectospasm | it's probably GPT and (U)EFI |
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| 02:18.35 | klys | imac is older than uefi |
| 02:19.16 | ksool | Unclear if that's possible. It's is a core 2 iMac from 2007, if that's helpful. |
| 02:19.32 | klys | yeah, is older |
| 02:19.33 | ectospasm | What do I know |
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| 02:20.36 | klys | there is a kernel config option (you can grep for in /boot/config*) for macintosh partition maps. |
| 02:20.36 | ksool | So just booting in a shell and doing a grub-install or the equivalent for lilo should work? |
| 02:21.13 | klys | I think lilo is ported to ppc. not sure about mbr or grub-x86 |
| 02:21.49 | ksool | Oh, this is definitely an x86. |
| 02:22.14 | klys | can you burn the debian iso? |
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| 02:23.56 | ksool | I haven't tried that yet, but I can give it a shot. |
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| 02:40.34 | atari314 | Hello, does anyone know where can I find the 7.2 net_inst ISOs? |
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| 02:44.50 | BenNZ | atari314: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 02:45.24 | atari314 | Benz, ty, but they are still linking to 7.1 :/ |
| 02:45.47 | atari314 | *BenNz |
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| 02:46.34 | LtL | atari314: I don't think the 7.2 images have been uploaded yet, or even released. i'm not sure. the 7.1 will do and upgrade it when released. |
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| 02:47.07 | atari314 | LtL, oh, ok, tks :) |
| 02:47.26 | LtL | atari314: welcome :) |
| 02:47.48 | dvs | Nice, the link in the upper-right corner says 7.2 but it's linked to the 7.1 iso |
| 02:48.14 | LtL | dvs: maybe in a couple days it'll be there |
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| 02:48.33 | klys | I have a setup.exe for 7.2 it might help build an image. |
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| 02:51.08 | jetscreamer | a what? |
| 02:52.34 | D|nA | a setup.exe |
| 02:52.41 | jetscreamer | yeah |
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| 03:01.18 | klys | is the debian versioning incrementing more quickly to keep pace with kernel versions? |
| 03:02.15 | dvs | klys: nah, the middle number was pretty much useless until version 7 |
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| 03:09.31 | klys | are there older versions of marrillatt / debian-multimedia somewhere, such as debian-archive versions? |
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| 03:13.08 | Kobaz | is it possible to do a lazy dns lookup in sshd |
| 03:13.21 | Kobaz | (openssh)... rather than doing a full usedns no |
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| 03:21.16 | jetscreamer | !tell klys -about dmm |
| 03:21.57 | jetscreamer | oh older, idunno probably not. |
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| 03:40.51 | PatoFeo | hi someone online ? |
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| 03:42.22 | PatoFeo | hola alguien lo vio al salame de dererk por aca? |
| 03:43.38 | klys | ? |
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| 03:48.54 | buu | Is there some way to detect how many threads a process is using? |
| 03:48.56 | buu | Specifically ffmpeg |
| 03:49.24 | klys | top |
| 03:49.53 | Rusty1 | htop slabtop possibly ? |
| 03:50.06 | buu | klys: What am I looking for in top's output? |
| 03:50.14 | klys | processes? |
| 03:52.05 | buu | klys: I thought top only showed processes not threads |
| 03:53.24 | klys | !tid |
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| 04:01.37 | scooty_puff | if i want to install compiz onto jessie should i pull it from squeeze or sid |
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| 04:04.53 | bfortified | whats the apt-policy say? |
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| 04:15.11 | somiaj | scooty_puff: I'd pull it form sid, right now jessie and sid are farily close together. |
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| 04:32.42 | itsrachelfish | Is there any reason everything on my server would be fast except apt? |
| 04:33.06 | itsrachelfish | Downloading stuff with apt is normal, but once it starts unpacking/installing stuff it takes an unusually long time |
| 04:33.14 | klys | 5400rpm harddisk? |
| 04:33.17 | nosklo | itsrachelfish: Maybe disk? |
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| 04:35.56 | itsrachelfish | klys, nosklo: But I can download things to my server plenty fast, it's only the installing which takes longer than usual? |
| 04:36.31 | itsrachelfish | Even things like unzipping files, database imports, uploading gigabyte files all happen at normal speeds |
| 04:36.39 | itsrachelfish | But apt... takes forever |
| 04:37.05 | klys | top |
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| 04:40.05 | itsrachelfish | klys: dpkg is bouncing betwen 0.1 and 1.0% cpu and ram but that's it |
| 04:40.27 | klys | mem? |
| 04:40.30 | itsrachelfish | yeah |
| 04:41.00 | klys | you're not swapping |
| 04:42.17 | itsrachelfish | http://pastebin.ca/2466258 |
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| 04:42.22 | itsrachelfish | that would appear to be true |
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| 05:03.39 | klys | just got kernel oops. debian 3.3 kernel. did `exportfs -ra' and the client was blocked after `mount /nfs' |
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| 05:04.59 | reavengrey | I get panics on boot sometimes |
| 05:05.10 | reavengrey | Not sure if I care about to file a report |
| 05:05.13 | reavengrey | wat do ;_; |
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| 05:06.26 | klys | client returned to prompt: `mount.nfs: connection timed out' |
| 05:07.38 | klys | localhost has localnet route on both machines. |
| 05:09.31 | klys | restarting nfs-common: rpc.statd returns 1. |
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| 05:10.37 | jelly-home | klys: there hasn't been a 3.3 kernel in the repos in quite a while. |
| 05:10.46 | jelly-home | klys: uname -a ? |
| 05:10.49 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 05:10.50 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.11-trunk-686-pae (3.11-1~exp1); sid: 3.10-3-686-pae (3.10.11-1); jessie: 3.10-3-686-pae (3.10.11-1); wheezy-backports: 3.10-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.10.11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
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| 05:12.43 | klys | Linux (none) 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae #1 SMP Thu Mar 22 05:39:32 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 05:13.36 | klys | I have this kernel running, both machines. |
| 05:14.15 | somiaj | that is a strange kernel, what version of debian are you running? |
| 05:14.24 | klys | I have custom-compiled 3.10, but if I use it the client machine will not utilize its features |
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| 05:15.06 | klys | sources.list says squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 05:16.32 | somiaj | where did you get that 3.3 kernel for squeeze, 3.2 was the last one put into backports |
| 05:17.27 | klys | I had some stuff upgraded. libc-2.11.3.so |
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| 05:20.53 | themill | sounds like the sort of unsupportable mess that you'll struggle to get anyone to care about |
| 05:21.47 | klys | would appreciate if you guys could scroll back to what I was saying 4.5 hrs ago. |
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| 05:22.12 | ectospasm | klys: no, not the easiest thing to do with my client. |
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| 05:27.13 | mumpitze1 | klys: 4 hours ago you were writing about SAS expresscard drivers, not NFS problems. different things |
| 05:27.24 | klys | word |
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| 05:34.23 | klys | anyway I remember doing rmmod -f nfsd yesterday, that might be it. |
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| 05:39.03 | themill | "might" ... |
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| 05:40.31 | klys | Pid: 3986, comm: exportfs Tainted: G R |
| 05:44.23 | itsrachelfish | klys: is it bad to not swap? |
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| 05:45.39 | mumpitze1 | depends how much memory you have. unlike other OSes, swap is truly optional |
| 05:45.52 | itsrachelfish | wouldn't swap only be used if I was running out of memory? |
| 05:46.11 | itsrachelfish | why would that make apt slow? |
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| 05:47.02 | mumpitze1 | no. in a typical OS, there are many pages loaded in memory which are not used ever or only once, even when it was loaded. you can swap out those and reclaim your memory for more useful things when you have swap |
| 05:47.16 | klys | you should have swap on sd[a,b]5+ twice the amount of system RAM, mkswap <device>, swapon <device>, add swap line to /etc/fstab when comfortable. |
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| 05:48.51 | klys | also don't mkswap if the partition is not 0x83 |
| 05:49.11 | klys | also don't mkswap if the partition is not 0x82 |
| 05:49.31 | klys | n'stuff like that |
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| 05:50.29 | mumpitze1 | klys: why twice? |
| 05:50.46 | mumpitze1 | if you need 2x RAM as swap then you have around a third of your actually needed RAM |
| 05:51.04 | klys | if you're swapping on purpose it's likely you want that much for, say, browser applications |
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| 05:52.17 | forgotmynick | hello |
| 05:52.26 | klys | :] |
| 05:52.47 | forgotmynick | i have several ipv6 addresses assigned to me but they aren't showing up in ifconfig. how do i do this? |
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| 05:53.59 | mumpitze1 | forgotmynick: set up static IPs then |
| 05:54.07 | klys | if it's in /etc/network/interfaces, ifupdown is working, and you did `ifup eth0', you should have them when you do ifconfig -a |
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| 05:56.21 | klys | one thing that I noticed about config scripts is if it has `set -e' at the top earlier versions of bash will quit. |
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| 05:58.59 | klys | s/twice/to twice/ |
| 05:59.08 | forgotmynick | klys thanks |
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| 06:17.00 | phantomas-pht | hi all |
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| 06:18.37 | phantomas-pht | i need someone from poland to help me :) I'm trying to configure the DHCP server |
| 06:18.52 | klys | is it cisco |
| 06:19.29 | phantomas-pht | i nie wiem, czy wystarczy mi jeden port eth czy muszę mieć dwa |
| 06:19.43 | phantomas-pht | I do not know if just one port eth me if I have two |
| 06:19.43 | reavengrey | dat sh*t cray |
| 06:19.56 | ectospasm | !pl |
| 06:19.56 | dpkg | Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>. |
| 06:20.28 | reavengrey | excuse my polish but I'm in ...france... |
| 06:20.30 | reavengrey | ... |
| 06:20.32 | reavengrey | :| |
| 06:20.51 | klys | good point. |
| 06:20.51 | phantomas-pht | as a server, I want to use an old laptop dell latitude |
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| 06:22.09 | klys | you could try this thing I was talking about with 15000 rpm through a CardBus socket |
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| 06:24.08 | klys | let me know if that sounds good. |
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| 06:39.30 | CygniX | when using 'dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server' to regenerate ssh server keys, how do you specify the bits? the default is 2048, and would like 4096 |
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| 06:40.09 | klys | debian-non-US packages for openssh |
| 06:40.47 | CygniX | ?? |
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| 06:41.43 | klys | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list-non-US |
| 06:42.08 | mumpitze1 | CygniX: ignore him |
| 06:42.38 | mumpitze1 | CygniX: I don't think you can. you'd have to create your keys manually |
| 06:42.57 | themill | klys: umm no. |
| 06:43.28 | mumpitze1 | CygniX: you basically have to run ssh-keygen yourself |
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| 06:44.00 | mumpitze1 | CygniX: http://www.softec.lu/site/DevelopersCorner/HowToRegenerateNewSsh for example |
| 06:44.21 | CygniX | mumpitze1: I saw that, but there are 3 keys |
| 06:44.49 | CygniX | I guess it's just a name |
| 06:44.51 | CygniX | mumpitze1: thanks |
| 06:45.19 | CygniX | actually, am still not sure about the 3rd one |
| 06:45.33 | CygniX | the ecdsa |
| 06:46.21 | CygniX | mumpitze1: nevermind, google should do from here on |
| 06:46.27 | CygniX | thanks for the tip |
| 06:46.53 | mumpitze1 | what about it? ecdsa is just using elliptic curves |
| 06:47.16 | CygniX | I was just curious how to generate it, but think I got it |
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| 06:48.53 | mumpitze1 | -b 4096 -t ecdsa |
| 06:49.17 | CygniX | right, thank |
| 06:49.19 | CygniX | s |
| 06:49.55 | CygniX | 'ssh-keygen -f ssh_host_rsa_key -N '' -b 4096 -t ecdsa' is what I used |
| 06:50.35 | CygniX | oops should be 'ssh_host_ecdsa_key' |
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| 07:04.28 | klys | so, with the nfsd, how can you know which pid is using a module when lspci shows a count of 1 and lists no other modules on the line? |
| 07:04.39 | klys | s/lspci/lsmod/ |
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| 07:07.15 | elyograg | if the module has a presence in /dev, use lsof to figure out what process has that file open. |
| 07:08.43 | klys | I don't think nfsd uses /dev. netstat? |
| 07:09.23 | elyograg | that might work. |
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| 07:29.07 | enyc | Q: -- in debian wheezy, I can find gtk theme *switchers* but I would like to actaully customize a theme -- basically like the 'appearance' preferences in Gnome-2-systems e.g. ubuntu-lucid10.04 etc. -- any ideas? I can't seem to even figure out where you save custom themes nor find a tool in apt-cache? is it in some standard preferences program I can install on wheezy? w/ thanks! |
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| 07:29.52 | qqdisk | hi guysdfsdfsdfs\ |
| 07:29.58 | qqdisk | oh sorry. |
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| 07:30.37 | qqdisk | Question, are inodes loaded to kernel memory at mount time or later - or does it depend on filesystem? If depends, then does Debian have any that loads inodes later? |
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| 07:32.35 | enyc | qqdisk: some filesystems don't have inodes anyway =) |
| 07:33.03 | enyc | qqdisk: its up to the kernel if it does/ does not cache a copy of every single inode in memory... i would guess it does not store all of them |
| 07:33.15 | qqdisk | hm indeed, like reiser... what about the ones that have? what about ext3? |
| 07:33.53 | enyc | qqdisk: in any case it doesn't ""load"" them all then ""save"" them all -- the block cache may cache some of them in ram at any time but by no means all of them... updates to the on-disk structures are part of the journal/logging... |
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| 07:35.34 | qqdisk | oki |
| 07:36.15 | enyc | qqdisk: what was the basis for the question anyway? what did you realyl want to know? |
| 07:36.20 | qqdisk | is it possible to create speciall cases where you have 2 users with same name? e.g. for some login mechanisms |
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| 07:36.58 | enyc | qqdisk: 2 unix users in the /etc/passwd file? not sure! |
| 07:37.32 | enyc | qqdisk: you could try creating '2' users like that maybe with some manual poking the passwd file ... and use some setuid/setgid type program to switch to them by numbers... |
| 07:37.48 | enyc | qqdisk: for starters the /etc/shadow would not be able to separate the passwords as it looks up by name |
| 07:37.57 | enyc | qqdisk: i wolud think this would cause problems |
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| 07:39.20 | enyc | qqdisk: HOWEVER some databases/email sysstems/ftp servers/etc. may use their own separate authentication system, database driven etc. -- that may do whatever-it-does =). |
| 07:39.37 | klys | look at your pam configs. you could try libpam-ldap/libnss-ldap and just put the users in separate domains. |
| 07:40.12 | enyc | klys: do you then havwe separate daemons set to authenticate against different domains etc.? |
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| 07:43.29 | klys | libpam-ldap is very direct. it doesn't use the same mechanism as libnss-ldap. also the novell/suse libpam-nds is different, and might be capable of this. |
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| 08:07.32 | nate_ | Hello. Where can I learn about all the debian-specific scripts(?) like update-alternatives and the like? (This coming from someone who learned linux from fiddling with Arch) |
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| 08:08.30 | sobersabre | hi, terminology question: what kernel/system entity/model defines what user/group is, how membership works? (i.e. in FS semantics there's "POSIX ACL model"), but what about the system ? |
| 08:08.33 | nate_ | See, I like the philosophy of debian, where more seems to be automated, but I'm struggling to find information on how to get the most out of it |
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| 08:09.21 | klys | sysv-rc, initscripts, /etc/init.d/rcS, file /usr/sbin/* | grep script |
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| 08:10.20 | nate_ | thank you |
| 08:10.25 | sobersabre | the thing is somebody claims "I added group X to group Y", on a stock system, without any RBAC enhancements, and I want to explain why that is not possible. |
| 08:10.37 | sobersabre | (using the correct terminology) |
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| 08:11.08 | sobersabre | [what he actually did is add a user to group, user with user named group, but just a user] |
| 08:13.39 | klys | `pam using flat files'? /etc/pam.d |
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| 08:28.08 | sobersabre | hmmm.... |
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| 08:31.27 | klys | I think mgetty is also relevant. if you just put /bin/sh on a tty entry in inittab it wouldn't use login/pam in the first place iirc. |
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| 08:38.18 | X-Sleepy-X | I'm looking for a wireless networkcard which can use the 5 GHz N-standard and that has two antenna slots and also is fully compatible with Debian. Also, built in BT wouldn |
| 08:38.29 | X-Sleepy-X | ..wouldn't hurt..* |
| 08:38.43 | nn0101 | hi folks! |
| 08:38.54 | X-Sleepy-X | Any suggestions on such a device? |
| 08:39.10 | X-Sleepy-X | Oh, yeah, it's a mini pci-e |
| 08:39.37 | nn0101 | if i have only 1 nic in a host, how can i setup a firewall gateway on that host using iptables? |
| 08:40.05 | nn0101 | i want to allow www,ssh access but drop everything else |
| 08:40.26 | nn0101 | tried many tricks so far |
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| 08:40.53 | klys | X-Sleepy-X: do you know if expresscard-to-cardbus adapters work with the kernel ? |
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| 08:42.13 | X-Sleepy-X | klys: No, sorry, I don't even think I know what that is... |
| 08:43.02 | nn0101 | if i have -A OUTPUT -j REJECT, this essentially blocks everything |
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| 08:43.18 | nn0101 | even when i have: |
| 08:43.19 | nn0101 | -A OUTPUT -j ACCEPT -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -o eth0 -p tcp -m multiport --dports 80,23,53 |
| 08:43.19 | umarzuki | if you're lazy enough like me, try arno-iptables-firewall |
| 08:43.23 | nn0101 | above it |
| 08:43.27 | nn0101 | umarzuki: ok |
| 08:43.36 | umarzuki | its has TUI |
| 08:43.37 | nn0101 | umarzuki: thx lemme have a look |
| 08:43.40 | nn0101 | GUI? |
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| 08:44.04 | umarzuki | text interface where you put which udp and tcp ports to block |
| 08:44.28 | umarzuki | something like default debian installer's interface |
| 08:44.29 | nn0101 | umarzuki: ok downloading. one sec |
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| 08:46.53 | klys | ipportfw |
| 08:47.15 | chridi | hi. I need some hint. I want to remove all packages by a source in apt. How can I do that? |
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| 08:48.15 | klys | chridi: for starters, check the files in /var/lib/apt/lists |
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| 08:49.33 | klys | *CLI == TUI |
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| 08:50.42 | mumpitze1 | !bpo list |
| 08:50.42 | dpkg | To list all packages you have installed from <debian backports>: «aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Debian Backports))' -F'%100p'»; apt must know about the origin repository for this to work (i.e. you have a 'deb' line for it in sources.list and 'apt-get update' has been run). To list all backported packages available for your system: «aptitude search '?origin(Debian Backports)'». See also <which repo>. |
| 08:50.45 | chridi | klys: thanks :) |
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| 08:54.35 | woarno | hi guys, how to remove command-line history. i hv tried 'history -c' and 'rm ~/.bashrc' without success. running Jessie. |
| 08:55.01 | klys | it's ~/.bash_history |
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| 09:03.20 | nn0101 | umarzuki: yay! |
| 09:03.43 | nn0101 | umarzuki: modified arno's iptables script. does the magic! :) |
| 09:03.58 | nn0101 | excellent |
| 09:04.16 | umarzuki | no prob |
| 09:04.37 | nn0101 | umarzuki: think thank you comes before `no prob` ;) |
| 09:05.04 | nn0101 | the rules are pretty crazy |
| 09:05.27 | umarzuki | i got that answer from here too a few years ago |
| 09:05.37 | nn0101 | kewl |
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| 09:17.53 | dqw_ | hi |
| 09:17.59 | dqw_ | I have the following scenarion: I have a domain name, I have a raspberry behind a route, I have a no-ip.org free account. And have the intent to redirect the domain to a facebook page using raspberry's lighttpd. Does it make sense to install a dns server behind NAT, via no-ip.org to resolve my domain to rpi behind the NAT which redirects to facebook ? |
| 09:18.50 | dqw_ | I mean is this feasible ? |
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| 09:21.46 | buu | dqw_: Why would you need a dns server? |
| 09:22.13 | babilen | dqw_: And how is this related to Debian? You probably want either #raspbian or ##network |
| 09:22.22 | babilen | err, ##networking that is |
| 09:22.58 | buu | dqw_: Also no-ip doesn't seem to let you redirect domain names via the free account. |
| 09:23.26 | dqw_ | buu: I intend to do the redirection myself, on raspberry |
| 09:23.47 | buu | dqw_: No I mean you can't use an actual domain name you have to use a noip subdomain |
| 09:23.49 | dqw_ | I appologize, was not aware there is a networking channel |
| 09:24.24 | babilen | dqw_: And we also don't support raspbian in here as it is a distribution that is based on Debian and supported in #raspbian |
| 09:24.35 | dqw_ | buu: I need no-ip to get access to my dns behind the NAT |
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| 09:24.37 | babilen | dqw_: Good luck and see you in the appropriate channel(s) |
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| 09:37.43 | trurl | I'm looking for a small cli-tool to display real time bandwith usage stats, maybe even showing top 10 remote hosts or something like that. Any hints? |
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| 09:40.02 | babilen | trurl: something like ntop? |
| 09:40.22 | z302 | debian 7.2 is out. Will there be new isos soon, as it happened with 7.1? |
| 09:41.59 | babilen | yes |
| 09:42.24 | trurl | babilen: will ntop consider remote hosts? |
| 09:43.10 | babilen | trurl: ntop is not a small cli tool, but I thought you might be able to take a look at it and verify if it is, more or less, what you are looking for |
| 09:43.21 | trurl | oh, and, it should be able to run inside a xen-vm |
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| 09:43.35 | trurl | i will, thanks |
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| 09:48.24 | trurl | babilen: looks too complicated. what would be perfect: a small tool showing (like mtr, i like mtr) top 10 remote hosts (b/s, bytes total) and top 10 pids (b/s, bytes total). Thats all i need. |
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| 09:52.46 | babilen | trurl: iftop, iptraf-ng come to mind, like the person before you you might also want to ask in ##networking |
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| 09:53.54 | babilen | http://nethogs.sourceforge.net/ looks alright for per-process |
| 09:54.12 | babilen | haven't used that one though, so *shrug* |
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| 09:59.51 | no_gravity | When I did "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade" today, it acted like it downloaded the whole internet. What happened? |
| 10:00.12 | Shadow`` | cause your doing a distribution upgrade? |
| 10:00.13 | arisv | no_gravity, is that your first time trying a dist-upgrade? |
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| 10:00.44 | babilen | dpkg: tell no_gravity about 7.2 |
| 10:00.47 | no_gravity | arisv: maybe. i always use dist-upgrade to update becuase otherwise i get fucked up "packed ... was kept back" messages. |
| 10:01.45 | arisv | no_gravity, how much is "the whole internet" in mb? |
| 10:01.49 | no_gravity | "serious bugs" hmm... so i have to do this to my servers as well? |
| 10:01.54 | babilen | yes |
| 10:02.05 | no_gravity | babilen: yes what? |
| 10:02.41 | babilen | no_gravity: yes, "[you] have to do this to [your] servers as well" |
| 10:02.42 | no_gravity | arisv: 10^80 bit. |
| 10:02.53 | no_gravity | babilen: damn. sounds like work. |
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| 10:03.49 | no_gravity | and i hate rebooting my servers |
| 10:04.14 | mumpitze1 | ,kernels |
| 10:04.14 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.11-trunk-686-pae (3.11-1~exp1); sid: 3.10-3-686-pae (3.10.11-1); jessie: 3.10-3-686-pae (3.10.11-1); wheezy-backports: 3.10-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.10.11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 10:04.29 | mumpitze1 | no_gravity: who said anything about reboots? |
| 10:05.04 | no_gravity | mumpitze1: that huge load of stuff will install without making a reboot necessary? let me try on one of my less important servers... |
| 10:05.19 | mumpitze1 | !reboot |
| 10:05.20 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 10:05.24 | no_gravity | mumpitze1: in 20 minutes. have to do something else first... |
| 10:05.27 | mumpitze1 | no_gravity: debian is not windows |
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| 10:07.22 | babilen | no_gravity: The update was announced on debian-announce yesterday to which you might want to subscribe. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/ and http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2013/msg00004.html |
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| 10:24.40 | lorenzosu | Hi all. Testing here. I am experiencing weird connection problems when using wifi, really hard to debug. Nearest description of the problem is that connection is 'unstable'. When on eth0 (cable) everything works perfectly. |
| 10:25.58 | helpmewithmywifi | how long is the cord? |
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| 10:39.56 | iceroot | hi |
| 10:40.08 | iceroot | i am a little bit confused |
| 10:40.08 | arisv | hello |
| 10:40.13 | iceroot | ii linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 3.2.51-1 amd64 Linux 3.2 for 64-bit PCs |
| 10:40.16 | iceroot | ii linux-image-amd64 3.2+46 amd64 Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package) |
| 10:40.40 | iceroot | why is the metapacke pointing to 3.2+46? why is the package called 3.2.0-4 when the kernel is 3.2.51-1? |
| 10:40.58 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell iceroot about kernel abi |
| 10:41.42 | jelly-home | and the metapackage version is not really important |
| 10:41.46 | iceroot | jelly-home: ah thx, that is an interesting info, i was asking myself why these rebuild-things (vbox, nvidia) are not happening that often when i am updating the kernel |
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| 10:43.41 | iceroot | if i remeber correctly, even grub is showing me 3.2.0-4 so everything fine as it seems with my updates |
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| 11:05.05 | no_gravity | So if somebody only does "apt-get update" today, he will be left with a buggy/insecure system? |
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| 11:07.12 | mumpitze1 | yes |
| 11:08.38 | no_gravity | mumpitze1: interesting. isnt the point of update to close security holes and fix bugs? |
| 11:09.20 | jelly-home | no_gravity: no, the point of that command is to refresh the local knowledge of repository contents |
| 11:09.54 | mumpitze1 | no_gravity: check what apt-get update does please |
| 11:09.58 | no_gravity | jelly-home: ah, i mean "apt-get upgrade" |
| 11:10.25 | no_gravity | What i meant is: if somebody only does "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" today, he will be left with a buggy/insecure system? |
| 11:10.51 | mumpitze1 | as long as nothing is kept back, no |
| 11:11.04 | jelly-home | no_gravity: oh, that, like always, depends on whether any dependency relationships have changed |
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| 11:11.17 | no_gravity | oh |
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| 11:12.00 | no_gravity | already updated my 2 debian machines with dist-upgrade. so i cannot test that. |
| 11:12.06 | no_gravity | the others are ubuntu servers. |
| 11:12.31 | jelly-home | there's nothing special about a release point update wrt what the commands do |
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| 11:13.12 | no_gravity | jelly-home: what do you mean? |
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| 11:14.52 | allo_ | hi. |
| 11:15.31 | jelly-home | no_gravity: doing an "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" is not different from doing it a week back |
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| 11:15.45 | allo_ | I have a freshly installed debian with KDE. When logging in, KDE loads, the splashscreen disappears, but KDE hangs for about 15-20 Seconds. It looks like its there, but clicking the panel or desktop icons does not work |
| 11:15.52 | allo_ | Does anyone know this problem? |
| 11:16.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, what's all that about? |
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| 11:16.22 | allo_ | i think at least on a freshly installed system, this should not happen. |
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| 11:17.02 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: 7.2 |
| 11:18.12 | mjayk | allo_: I think I had the same problem as you with my old ubuntu kde desktop, for me it turned out to be some config files that were stored on a non mounted partition which it kinda hung whilst searching for them. Was ages back though |
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| 11:19.04 | no_gravity | Oh, I have another debian server. Lets see how it reacts to apt-get upgrade... |
| 11:19.20 | allo_ | mjayk: hmm, its a mostly default setup with an own /home partition. Happend after first login. |
| 11:19.40 | allo_ | Its not so nice, because its a machine for average users, who think its really broken, when it does not work right after login |
| 11:19.46 | no_gravity | jelly-home: The following packages have been kept back: apt apt-utils aptitude |
| 11:19.58 | no_gravity | jelly-home: i that a bad thing? |
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| 11:20.19 | allo_ | i'm not sure where to start debugging. |
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| 11:20.26 | allo_ | or if i should install backports of newer kde |
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| 11:20.46 | allo_ | but i would prefer a debian stable, because this minimizes the needed support for problems ;) |
| 11:21.08 | allo_ | and i do not even know, if newer kde would solve the problem. |
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| 11:21.58 | jelly-home | allo_: did you have any old data in /home or was it freshly formatted as well? |
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| 11:23.10 | allo_ | freshly formatted, one guest user with empty home, some other users copied from backup. |
| 11:23.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | allo_, well, run top from ssh while it happens, or best... I'd like to say "look at logs" but no idea if kde has some... perhaps best, start X with an xterm and no WM, then start the whole kde-mess from that terminal? |
| 11:23.30 | no_gravity | Since it seems "apt-get upgrade" does not update all installed files - Is ther any reason to do "apt-get upgrade" instead of "apt-get dist-upgrade"? |
| 11:23.33 | jelly-home | no_gravity: it just means you'll have to do an apt-get dist-upgrade (or aptitude full-upgrade) to get newer versions of those. How "bad" it is depends of which issues the newer versions fix. |
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| 11:24.20 | allo_ | mh, yeah more debugging. Just thought maybe there is a known bug, because kde 4.8.x on some ubuntu machines never had this problem, and i guess debian has mostly vanilla kde, which should be tested by upstream. |
| 11:24.21 | no_gravity | jelly-home: why is there an "upgrade" at all, when only "dist-upgrade" really updates everything? |
| 11:25.02 | jelly-home | no_gravity: in this case, apt-get dist-upgrade is going to install some _new_ packages, it might also remove some old automatically installed ones if necessary and that might be undesirable |
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| 11:25.34 | allo_ | my suspects would be (pulse)audio, maybe the systemwide default to have akonadi/nepomuk disabled, if not enabled by the user himself ... but this should improve, as i know kde ;) |
| 11:25.45 | jelly-home | no_gravity: the upgrade action focuses on not changing the set of installed packages _at all_ |
| 11:26.09 | no_gravity | jelly-home: it will remove stuff? shouldnt there be a way of simply keeping the system secure? without looking into it manually all the time? |
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| 11:27.00 | jelly-home | no_gravity: I didn't say it _will_ remove stuff, but it _might_ remove some automatically installed packages if necessary |
| 11:27.46 | no_gravity | jelly-home: yes. im still confused though. why not just fix bugs and thats it? why make the upgrade process a manual one where you have to make decisions? |
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| 11:28.23 | jelly-home | no_gravity: sometimes it's impossible to fix bugs and keep the old ABIs intact. |
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| 11:29.18 | jelly-home | so, when fixing a bug makes an incompatible change, this sometimes results in package builds and dependencies changing |
| 11:29.18 | no_gravity | jelly-home: so should i dist-upgrade that debian server now or not? |
| 11:29.55 | jelly-home | no_gravity: yes |
| 11:30.07 | no_gravity | jelly-home: ok. |
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| 11:30.46 | no_gravity | jelly-home: if the answer is always yes, then that means "dist-upgrade" should be the default way of upgrading? |
| 11:30.57 | jelly-home | it's not always "yes". |
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| 11:31.13 | no_gravity | jelly-home: you said yes without asking any further questions. |
| 11:31.42 | jelly-home | if you have custom apps that meddle with eg. libapt internals, it might break on such a dist-upgrade |
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| 11:32.35 | no_gravity | jelly-home: ok. to me that means "dist-upgrade" should be the default way to keep your system secure. |
| 11:32.40 | jelly-home | no_gravity: the conversation lead me to think you do not, in fact, have anything similar in place, so, this dist-upgrade ought to be pretty safe for you |
| 11:33.06 | no_gravity | jelly-home: yes. its a very plain linux, apache, mysql, php system. |
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| 11:34.06 | no_gravity | jelly-home: will one day "dist-upgrade" make some crazy updates like update apache2 to apache3 which might have incompabilities? |
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| 11:34.30 | jelly-home | no_gravity: not within a release, no |
| 11:34.31 | no_gravity | jelly-home: or update to a new php version or some such? |
| 11:34.51 | no_gravity | jelly-home: will dist-upgrade upgrade to debian 8 one day? |
| 11:34.56 | jelly-home | if you want an example to counter it, mysql-server is a nasty one that changes behaviour in tandem with "security" updates |
| 11:35.45 | no_gravity | jelly-home: well, thats mysqls fault then. |
| 11:35.50 | jelly-home | this is mostly the upstream vendor's fault yes |
| 11:36.23 | jelly-home | but debian pretty much has no choice but to incorporate these fixes as-is |
| 11:36.53 | seekr | A few years ago, I installed the then-current version of Debian on a new drive while the drive I had been using and booting from into an older version of Debian was running. I had a 500 GB partition on the original drive (which was most of the drive) devoted to an encrypted root f.s. which also contained /home. That setup had been done by the Debian installer. It created a reiserfs file system within a LUKS container within a LVM container. I don't know w |
| 11:36.53 | seekr | hether that f.s. or its containers were damaged by the new install, and I've been afraid to look too closely lo these several years. I've now been poking around a bit and find that there is a /boot partition on the older drive which is intact and contains a grub subdir with GRUB (not GRUB 2) stuff inside. I have a few questions... |
| 11:37.07 | babilen | dpkg: tell no_gravity -about stable |
| 11:37.12 | babilen | dpkg: tell no_gravity about point update |
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| 11:38.29 | no_gravity | babilen: hmm... i cannot decide from those texts, if dist-upgrade will update from 7 to 8 or not. |
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| 11:38.47 | seekr | One question is whether I'd be to boot into the old system using the Super GRUB 2 disk. |
| 11:38.53 | babilen | no_gravity: The changes made to a stable release are quite precisely defined and will *not* upgrade package versions (unless there is absolutely no other way); That's the definition of "stable" as it simply means "not changing". Sometimes a judgement call between "stable" and "secure" has to be made, but in the majority of cases bugfixes will simply be backported. |
| 11:39.36 | seekr | Another question is where to look to see how opening of the LVM container and LUKS subcontainer was being done during the boot sequence. |
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| 11:40.49 | babilen | no_gravity: A "dist-upgrade" is simply one of the many actions you perform with apt-get and it differs from "upgrade" in that it won't, for example, remove packages. If you upgrade between releases is not decided by the command you use but by the packages that are considered as condidated. This means that if you don't have jessie/testing (what will become 8 at one point) in your sources.list you will, naturally, upgrade to that. |
| 11:41.04 | babilen | *not* upgrade to that. |
| 11:41.05 | jelly-home | seekr: #lvm will help you do it manually (assuming getting at the data is your real goal, instead of reverse-engineering old boot process) |
| 11:41.07 | babilen | :) |
| 11:41.18 | seekr | I assume that it would be in a file living within /boot, since until those two levels of open are performed, there is nothing else accessible. |
| 11:42.08 | no_gravity | babilen: ok. i did not change the sources.list. so i think what you said means that dist-upgrade will *not* update 7 to 8. |
| 11:42.13 | babilen | no_gravity: You cannot install packages that you don't know anything about. If you have a suitable wheezy sources.list you will only get packages destined for wheezy. The upgrade you have to perform is the point release that simply fixes a number of grave bugs. |
| 11:42.21 | seekr | jelly-home: Thanks for your reply. OK, I can check there for that sort of answer, but part of my question is how the Debian boot sequence works. If I can see how the two-level open is being done, it should tell me how to open the thing manually. |
| 11:43.21 | babilen | no_gravity: Well, an "apt-get dist-upgrade" can upgrade wheezy to jessie (stable to testing, oldstable to stable, 7 to 8) *iff* you have configured your sources.list accordingly. This is, after all, the same mechanism that is used to upgrade from one major release to the next. |
| 11:43.45 | jelly-home | seekr: the initramfs image contains lvm and cryptsetup tools that bring up the VG and LV, ask for a passphrase and bring up the LUKS block device |
| 11:44.14 | no_gravity | babilen: as i said, i never touched sources.list. |
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| 11:44.35 | seekr | jelly-home: Do you know where the prompt I was getting to input the LUKS password comes from - where the LUKS thing that issued that password prompt comes from in the boot files (presumably under /boot)? |
| 11:44.37 | babilen | no_gravity: So, everything is clear now? |
| 11:44.38 | Jonuz | What happened, so much new updates?:D |
| 11:44.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell Jonuz -about 7.2 |
| 11:44.55 | jelly-home | seekr: that's all inside the initrd/initramfs image |
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| 11:45.11 | seekr | Where can I find initramfs, jelly-home? |
| 11:45.13 | no_gravity | babilen: yes. thank you! |
| 11:45.14 | Jonuz | Oh, thank you |
| 11:45.53 | jelly-home | seekr: typically /boot stores matching kernel and initrd, named something like vmlinuz-foo and initrd.img-foo |
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| 11:46.25 | seekr | jelly-home: Yes, I see both of those files under the old /boot. |
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| 11:49.36 | seekr | jelly-home: Those initrd files are compressed data. Are they created during system install and the names of things like LVM containers baked in when they're generated? |
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| 11:49.58 | jelly-home | seekr: again, there's no need to poke at initrd innards, just use lvm and cryptsetup |
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| 11:50.33 | jelly-home | !tell seekr about initrd |
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| 11:50.49 | jelly-home | !tell seekr about initramfs |
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| 11:51.36 | jelly-home | seekr: yes, that's the general idea |
| 11:52.01 | seekr | jelly-home: ok - I'll see what I can do. I found a 2007 tutorial on LVM at http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_lvm which comes with a pre-configured VM image that I was able to load under VirtualBox, so perhaps I should go back to it and learn what I need to so as to work confidently with LVM stuff. |
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| 11:52.48 | seekr | jelly-home: Thanks for your help and encouragement! |
| 11:53.47 | jelly-home | good luck |
| 11:53.58 | seekr | jelly-home: Thanks! |
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| 12:11.38 | omid8bimo | hello, i have Exim4 on my debian server as SMTP only service, since 2 days ago, my emails got all frozen and nothing is delivering now, i |
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| 12:11.56 | omid8bimo | im keep getting this error: xxx@gmail.com R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp defer (-53): retry time not reached for any host |
| 12:12.00 | omid8bimo | any ideas? |
| 12:12.17 | omid8bimo | i did reinstall exim, removed retry db in /var/spool/exim/db |
| 12:12.20 | omid8bimo | nothing solved it |
| 12:12.23 | omid8bimo | any ideas? |
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| 12:13.01 | klys | your fetchmail logs? |
| 12:13.16 | jelly-home | what has fetchmail have to do with anything |
| 12:13.27 | klys | oic |
| 12:13.42 | jelly-home | oic? |
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| 12:13.54 | klys | it was *to* gmail |
| 12:14.02 | jelly-home | omid8bimo: perhaps there's an exim channel, /msg alis list *exim* |
| 12:14.31 | omid8bimo | jelly-home: yup. found it |
| 12:14.45 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: nslookup q=mx gmail.com <<-- does that work? mconntect to these IPs OK? |
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| 12:17.18 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: times out on nslookup. but "dig -t MX gmail.com" works |
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| 12:17.47 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: then its not exim but your bind/DNS |
| 12:18.07 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: i set 4.2.2.4 and 8.8.8.8 in resolv.conf |
| 12:18.45 | klys | are those at least in the same state as you? |
| 12:19.14 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: there was a typo in my initial command which will turn direction nslookup -q=mx gmail.com |
| 12:19.25 | omid8bimo | klys: i dunno what you mean by being in the same state, but surely not, my DC is in EU and 8.8.8.8 for instance is in US |
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| 12:19.54 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: oops! ok i tried the new one and it works |
| 12:20.16 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: outputs five DNS records for different gmail.com servers |
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| 12:21.05 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: before going to exim channel try: date | mailx -v -s "test" some.valid.address@some.domain and pastebin the result to paste.debian.net |
| 12:22.01 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: all right |
| 12:22.43 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/56983/ |
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| 12:27.48 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: last idea: exim -qf -v |
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| 12:29.07 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: parts of output -> http://paste.debian.net/56987/ |
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| 12:30.31 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: your IPv6 connection seems to be broken. can you ping6 these google servers? |
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| 12:31.14 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: ping6 google.com says: connect: Network is unreachable --- if my command was correct |
| 12:31.33 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: Fix that and your mail will work again. |
| 12:32.00 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: where should i start to fix it? |
| 12:32.32 | klys | isn't GOOG ipv6 something like ipv6.google.com |
| 12:32.33 | Dagger2 | maybe, anyway. 216.239.32.20 is also not working... |
| 12:33.14 | bezaban | most services will prefer ipv6 if it is present |
| 12:33.23 | Dagger2 | klys: they're dual stacked on a lot of their hosts, including gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com (as well as google.com/www.google.com) |
| 12:33.40 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: I cannot help with IPv6...sorry |
| 12:33.51 | Dagger2 | omid8bimo: pastebin `ifconfig` and `ip -6 r`? |
| 12:34.37 | omid8bimo | Dagger2: http://paste.debian.net/56988/ |
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| 12:35.09 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: thanks anyway for your info. at least source of the problem is now discovered :) |
| 12:35.20 | Dagger2 | omid8bimo: hmmm. how about `wget gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com`? |
| 12:35.33 | Dagger2 | it'll timeout, but I want to see what it outputs before it does |
| 12:36.11 | omid8bimo | Dagger2: actually it worked http://paste.debian.net/56989/ |
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| 12:37.39 | klys | Dagger2: dpkg -S `which ip` |
| 12:37.43 | Dagger2 | ok, so not a v6 problem I think |
| 12:38.12 | Dagger2 | v4 is listed and tried first in wget, so exim hould be doing the same |
| 12:38.28 | Dagger2 | I can't connect to 216.239.32.20 on port 25, but I can on 80 |
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| 12:39.03 | Dagger2 | for me, gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com has address 173.194.70.26, which I can connect to on port 25 but not on port 80 |
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| 12:39.19 | Dagger2 | so I think you've probably got some borked DNS resolution |
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| 12:40.15 | Dagger2 | klys: "iproute: /bin/ip". it's installed by default, after all |
| 12:42.15 | omid8bimo | Dagger2: its weird! dns looks working and i think ipv6. i can do "ping6 localhost" but ping6 google-mail-servers doesnt work from anywhere |
| 12:42.44 | Dagger2 | omid8bimo: you have no v6, so that's understandable. the problem is that v4 isn't working either |
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| 12:44.45 | omid8bimo | Dagger2: dunno why. every other service on this server (apache for example) is working like they should |
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| 12:45.21 | omid8bimo | one thing i think i figured out is that it doesnt work with gmail.com servers, i tried emailing my AOL account and it worked |
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| 12:46.05 | Dagger2 | omid8bimo: right, something's up with gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com for you |
| 12:46.25 | Dagger2 | try setting "nameserver 74.82.42.42" in /etc/resolv.conf maybe |
| 12:46.28 | paxcoder | I'm trying to boot a netinstall mini.iso, and graphic once loads, once doesn't load, once loads partially. When proceeding with installation, it doesn't get far before complaining about erroneous sectors. What can be to blame for that? |
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| 12:47.34 | jelly-home | paxcoder: stupid idea: it might be the errorneous sectors on your media |
| 12:47.42 | forgotmynick | why can't i install this package? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6231101/ |
| 12:47.43 | omid8bimo | Dagger2: no difference. still same "Network is unreachable" |
| 12:48.07 | paxcoder | jelly-home, Could it be the drive itself? I just burned the disk, and it's weird that it loads differently each time. |
| 12:48.21 | freaky[t] | hi all i get the following error when trying to upgrade from sqeeze to wheezy: http://pastie.org/private/wombyjlecvct2xvntuew can anyone help me fix it? |
| 12:48.26 | jelly-home | paxcoder: it could be |
| 12:48.27 | paxcoder | jelly-home, i'm also testing the memory now, and i have a bad disk. hence the question |
| 12:48.34 | paxcoder | *bad hard disk |
| 12:48.41 | paxcoder | thoguh, HDD shouldn't have to do with it |
| 12:48.46 | paxcoder | *anything |
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| 12:50.34 | jiohdi | forgotmynick, what does it do? |
| 12:50.41 | Dagger2 | omid8bimo: pastebin `dig gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com` and `dig +trace gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com`? |
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| 12:50.54 | happydesign2 | good evewning |
| 12:50.55 | Dagger2 | (might need to install dig, it's in "dnsutils") |
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| 12:51.30 | forgotmynick | jiohdi: Web definitions oidentd is an RFC 1413 compliant ident daemon which runs on Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, Darwin, OpenBSD, and Solaris. |
| 12:52.04 | paxcoder | jelly-home, is there any way to test if it's the drive or the disk? |
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| 12:52.17 | happydesign2 | how can i deactivate definitely |
| 12:52.17 | jiohdi | forgotmynick, I tried and had no issue |
| 12:52.25 | happydesign2 | the screen blanking?? |
| 12:52.37 | forgotmynick | jiohdi: can you show me your sources file please? |
| 12:52.45 | jiohdi | k |
| 12:52.51 | omid8bimo | Dagger2: i already have it http://paste.debian.net/56993/ - http://paste.debian.net/56994/ |
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| 12:53.45 | jelly-home | paxcoder: use the disk someplace else? Or forget about all that and boot from a usb stick if at all possible |
| 12:54.24 | jiohdi | forgotmynick, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6231135/ |
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| 12:54.35 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell forgotmynick about bat |
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| 12:54.46 | forgotmynick | jiohdi thank you |
| 12:55.20 | jiohdi | forgotmynick, only one was used |
| 12:55.25 | jiohdi | Get: 1 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing/main |
| 12:55.36 | jelly-home | forgotmynick: which debian release do you have installed? |
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| 12:57.21 | Dagger2 | omid8bimo: hm. I'm not sure what to make of that. why is it returning that IP when it's not reachable on the SMTP port? |
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| 12:57.35 | Dagger2 | omid8bimo: and the timing out in the second one isn't supposed to happen, of course |
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| 12:59.12 | forgotmynick | jelly-home squeeze |
| 12:59.29 | jelly-home | forgotmynick: read and use /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list |
| 12:59.38 | forgotmynick | it was fine for a year and a few hours ago i reset the server |
| 12:59.45 | forgotmynick | ok |
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| 13:00.58 | jiohdi | forgotmynick, does apt-cache search oidentd bring up anything under your current setup? |
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| 13:01.26 | paxcoder | jelly-home, i read i can simply cp mini.iso /dev/sdb #don't they mean dd? |
| 13:01.59 | paxcoder | (i read it here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en) |
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| 13:02.40 | omid8bimo | Dagger2: tell me about it! im totally confused |
| 13:02.43 | forgotmynick | jeally-home http://paste.debian.net/57002/ |
| 13:03.00 | paxcoder | or would dd create a joliet fs, and this somehow reads the iso? |
| 13:03.02 | forgotmynick | jelly-home jiohdi ^ |
| 13:03.42 | dvs | paxcoder: copy, dd, and even cat will work. |
| 13:03.55 | petern_ | cp is just easier than dd. |
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| 13:04.09 | freaky[t] | hi all i get the following problem when trying to upgrade from debian sqeeze to wheezy: http://pastie.org/8398986 <-- please help :) |
| 13:04.14 | paxcoder | dvs, i never heard of a joliet fs on a stick |
| 13:04.18 | jiohdi | forgotmynick, looks like you already have the latest version squeeze offers |
| 13:04.25 | paxcoder | dvs, petern_ thanks |
| 13:05.13 | forgotmynick | it must be something to do with the /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 13:05.18 | dvs | freaky[t]: did you update firce? |
| 13:05.25 | dvs | first |
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| 13:06.04 | jiohdi | forgotmynick, mine has version Candidate: 2.0.8-5 |
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| 13:06.31 | lorenzosu | Hi all. |
| 13:06.56 | Dagger2 | omid8bimo: it's *possible* you're on a network that captures all DNS requests and forces them through a particular resolver, and that resolver is broken. that's about all I can think of |
| 13:06.56 | paxcoder | am i safe to format the remainder of the stick with the netinstall as FAT? |
| 13:07.31 | lorenzosu | Anyone willing to provide ideas / brainstorm on a very weird wifi problem? |
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| 13:07.47 | em | Is it correct that this will shutdown the computer: sudo shutdown now |
| 13:07.54 | em | (don't do that unless you want to shutdown your computer) |
| 13:07.55 | jelly-home | jiohdi: you are not running squeeze |
| 13:07.59 | forgotmynick | i'm just going to wait for provider to do it |
| 13:08.00 | jiohdi | em sudo halt |
| 13:08.11 | em | shutdown now doesn't work? |
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| 13:08.20 | jiohdi | jelly-home, nope, testing |
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| 13:08.38 | jiohdi | em, halt works, not sure about the other |
| 13:08.43 | em | ok |
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| 13:09.33 | lorenzosu | Testing, xcfe4, network-manager (but also tried wicd): internet works perectly when on cable, works very discontinuously on wifi. Any ideas? |
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| 13:10.32 | lorenzosu | (discontinuously: I can ping e.g. ping google.com but when navigating most pages time out. Google always seems to work.) |
| 13:11.55 | freaky[t] | dvs apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:12.00 | umarzuki | lorenzosu: which network interface you're using? |
| 13:12.11 | lorenzosu | umarzuki: wlan0 |
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| 13:13.03 | umarzuki | lspci | grep -i network |
| 13:13.19 | umarzuki | i also have same problem on intel wifi chip |
| 13:13.49 | lorenzosu | umarzuki: intel chip here as well |
| 13:14.03 | lorenzosu | umarzuki: a regression in the firmware?? :| |
| 13:14.10 | umarzuki | let me check on which option i used |
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| 13:15.15 | umarzuki | put below in /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi.conf |
| 13:15.22 | umarzuki | options iwlwifi 11n_disable=1 |
| 13:15.30 | umarzuki | read http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=86771 |
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| 13:16.10 | lorenzosu | umarzuki: http://paste.debian.net/plain/57005 |
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| 13:16.14 | umarzuki | it seems that wifi chip have something that it did not supported |
| 13:16.21 | umarzuki | or so i was told ;) |
| 13:18.22 | lorenzosu | umarzuki: ok thanks for the pointer... It must be something recent though, because this worked up to wheezy when it was still testing (I'm on jessie now) |
| 13:18.54 | lorenzosu | umarzuki: just to make sure.. were you also experiencing this weird discontinuous problem? |
| 13:19.06 | freaky[t] | can anyone help me with my problem with squeeze -> wheezy upgrade? http://pastie.org/8399010 |
| 13:19.11 | freaky[t] | please :) |
| 13:19.34 | Guest12541 | how to get epiphany use flash? |
| 13:19.41 | umarzuki | oh, this is on squeeze & wheezy |
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| 13:20.15 | umarzuki | lorenzosu: it got disconnected & reconnect after a while |
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| 13:20.22 | mumpitze1 | freaky[t]: apt-cache policy |
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| 13:21.05 | freaky[t] | mumpitze1: http://pastie.org/8399013 |
| 13:21.07 | umarzuki | Guest12541: did you managed to get flash working on other browsers at all? |
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| 13:21.44 | umarzuki | Guest12541: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 13:22.19 | umarzuki | Guest12541: only after enabling non-free |
| 13:22.32 | themill | contrib |
| 13:23.14 | MrMonkey31 | hoy! this might make you guys lol... what's the simplest way of renaming a file? yes I've looked at cli tutorials. :X |
| 13:23.27 | mumpitze1 | MrMonkey31: "man mv" |
| 13:23.29 | freaky[t] | MrMonkey31 mv <file> <newname> |
| 13:23.35 | freaky[t] | for move |
| 13:23.43 | freaky[t] | renaming is like move to new name ;D |
| 13:23.48 | freaky[t] | or new location |
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| 13:24.06 | MrMonkey31 | & that won't shake up my clusters? oookkk! tyvm ;) |
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| 13:24.08 | umarzuki | MrMonkey31: any particular situation in mind? |
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| 13:24.35 | MrMonkey31 | umarzuki no. I've been using linux for 9 months. getting there................. |
| 13:24.42 | umarzuki | complexity lies in simplicity :D |
| 13:24.51 | mumpitze1 | ,v libmyodbc |
| 13:24.52 | judd | Package: libmyodbc on i386 -- squeeze: 5.1.6-1; wheezy: 5.1.10-2+deb7u1; jessie: 5.1.10-3; sid: 5.1.10-3 |
| 13:25.07 | freaky[t] | mumpitze1 can you help me? |
| 13:25.18 | umarzuki | MrMonkey31: I see then mv is what you want as suggested |
| 13:25.42 | mumpitze1 | freaky[t]: apt-get install libltdl7 odbcinst1debian2 libmyodbc multiarch-support |
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| 13:25.55 | infrid64 | hi |
| 13:26.00 | mumpitze1 | freaky[t]: and apt-cache show libmyodb to make sure it's the -2 package in the repo |
| 13:26.09 | dvs | freaky[t]: you have ftp.de.debian.org AND http://ftp.uni-bayreuth.de AND http://mirror.hetzner.de? |
| 13:26.11 | mumpitze1 | apt-cache show libmyodbc |
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| 13:26.56 | freaky[t] | http://pastie.org/8399028 mumpitze1 |
| 13:27.05 | Guest12541 | umarzuki, yes it work well on iceweasel but not on epiphany |
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| 13:27.20 | freaky[t] | N: Unable to locate package libmyodb <-- with apt-cache show libmyodb |
| 13:27.36 | mumpitze1 | add unixodbc to the line. and my command missed a "c" there |
| 13:27.42 | freaky[t] | dvs yea i couldnt find a proper backports mirror |
| 13:27.57 | freaky[t] | or what the backports line for ftp.uni-bayreuth.de is |
| 13:28.15 | lorenzosu | back |
| 13:28.33 | mumpitze1 | there is none. and it's not hetzner either. and you certainly do not need a backports line at all. especially not when upgrading |
| 13:28.49 | freaky[t] | mumpitze1 yea but thats not my current problem |
| 13:28.52 | mumpitze1 | your hetzner line isn't dealing with backports |
| 13:28.53 | freaky[t] | i can comment it out if u want |
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| 13:29.04 | mumpitze1 | !tell freaky[t] about wheezy sources.list |
| 13:29.18 | lorenzosu | umarzuki: unfortunately that didn't seem to work |
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| 13:29.37 | lorenzosu | this is really weird as e.g. IRC does work |
| 13:29.49 | freaky[t] | mumpitze1 ok should i set that to my sources.list now? |
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| 13:30.58 | freaky[t] | i mean put just that in my sources.list? |
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| 13:31.16 | dvs | freaky[t]: yes |
| 13:31.29 | freaky[t] | ok one moment |
| 13:31.29 | umarzuki | lorenzosu: i thought you had reconnecting wireless network, my bad |
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| 13:32.17 | lorenzosu | umarzuki: I wonder what the thing is though... why would e.g. IRC work (am on wifi now) |
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| 13:32.54 | umarzuki | lorenzosu: you're using proxy to go to internet? |
| 13:33.10 | dvs | freaky[t]: actually, REPLACE your sources.list with that. |
| 13:33.11 | freaky[t] | ok mumpitze1 i still have the same problem after changing the sources.list |
| 13:33.13 | lorenzosu | umarzuki: no. this is a home network |
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| 13:35.38 | freaky[t] | please help me i need the server running |
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| 13:35.51 | freaky[t] | i hope its possible to fix it |
| 13:36.28 | drybjed | freaky[t]: what's the problem? |
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| 13:37.52 | themill | freaky[t]: what's the output of "apt-cache policy" there? |
| 13:37.56 | freaky[t] | drybjed: http://pastie.org/8399044 http://pastie.org/8399028 |
| 13:38.23 | freaky[t] | http://pastie.org/8399047 |
| 13:38.28 | freaky[t] | is apt-cache policy |
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| 13:39.02 | themill | freaky[t]: ok, that looks fine. What does "apt-get dist-upgrade" want to do? |
| 13:39.25 | dvs | update first? |
| 13:39.41 | freaky[t] | themill: http://pastie.org/8399053 |
| 13:39.42 | themill | has that not been done? |
| 13:39.44 | freaky[t] | yes i did apt-get update first |
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| 13:42.47 | cmdnoob | is there something to graphicly remotecontrol a headless debian box ? |
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| 13:43.16 | mumpitze1 | cmdnoob: sure, run a vnc Xserver and connect |
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| 13:43.34 | mumpitze1 | or you run a X server on your desktop and run the X clients on the debian box |
| 13:43.56 | cmdnoob | i have a little arm allwinner a10 box |
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| 13:44.19 | cmdnoob | the headless server doesn´t have much performance but i am sadly more a windows dau then a linux crack |
| 13:44.19 | umarzuki | cmdnoob: i heard sarangsoft can do that also |
| 13:44.37 | cmdnoob | will google for that, thx |
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| 13:45.14 | freaky[t] | ok is anyone going to help me? ;D |
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| 13:45.27 | freaky[t] | sorry im nervous i trashed the system |
| 13:45.27 | umarzuki | cmdnoob: with that u don't have to install any x server since x server is in your pc |
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| 13:45.53 | mumpitze1 | cmdnoob: look at xming |
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| 13:46.43 | dvs | freaky[t]: put "contrib non-free" after "main" wherever it shows up in sources.list |
| 13:46.50 | umarzuki | freaky[t]: apt-get -f install |
| 13:47.15 | Guest12541 | how to get epiphany use flash? |
| 13:47.27 | Guest12541 | how to get epiphany to use flash? |
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| 13:48.51 | freaky[t] | umarzuki: http://pastie.org/8399084 |
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| 13:49.15 | umarzuki | Guest12541: 64-bit debian? |
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| 13:49.49 | dvs | freaky[t]: and "apt-get install odbcinst1debian2" doesn't work? |
| 13:49.54 | freaky[t] | no |
| 13:50.02 | cmdnoob | thx xming is really worth a shot i think |
| 13:50.13 | Guest12541 | umarzuki, yes |
| 13:50.17 | freaky[t] | says this dvs: http://pastie.org/8399092 |
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| 13:51.04 | umarzuki | Guest12541: could be something with a known issue that needed ndiswrapper http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=77934 |
| 13:51.33 | umarzuki | Guest12541: nspluginwrapper I meant |
| 13:51.35 | mumpitze1 | there is no ndiswrapper which makes flash work |
| 13:52.48 | dvs | freaky[t]: It's like "apt-get update" wasn't run |
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| 13:53.44 | umarzuki | freaky[t]: try uninstalling what you had installed right before this problem |
| 13:54.00 | freaky[t] | umarzuki im upgrading from squeeze to wheezy |
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| 13:54.28 | metd | Hi. I use Jessie on amd64. I can't build the program, which uses boost threads. Makefile http://pastebin.com/83h8MeUP returns http://pastebin.com/qffPLnCi . ld can't find -lboost_thread-mt (But g++ can). How can I make ld to see this lib? |
| 13:54.30 | freaky[t] | dvs i ran apt-get update ... now again and its still the same |
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| 13:54.37 | Guest12541 | umarzuki, I think there is no such wrapper in wheezy |
| 13:55.05 | dvs | freaky[t]: What's the output of "apt-get update"? |
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| 13:55.52 | freaky[t] | http://pastie.org/8399101 |
| 13:55.54 | freaky[t] | dvs |
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| 13:58.03 | dvs | freaky[t]: Try "aptitude install odbcinst1debian2" |
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| 13:59.19 | freaky[t] | dvs i cant accept the solutions as it wants to deinstall plesk |
| 14:00.00 | dvs | well, that's what it's gonna take to proceed with the upgrade. |
| 14:00.24 | freaky[t] | is there a way i can scroll up with putty as i cant see what package it wants to remove |
| 14:00.33 | mumpitze1 | freaky[t]: apt-cache policy libmyodbc what version is to be installed? |
| 14:00.58 | mumpitze1 | yes, putty as a scrollbar on the right. with it you can scrool up |
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| 14:01.15 | freaky[t] | mumpitze1 that scrollbar scrolls up to other text not the current program displaying information |
| 14:01.16 | freaky[t] | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.20 | freaky[t] | is the candidate to be installed |
| 14:01.50 | mumpitze1 | freaky[t]: your problem is plesk imho. afaik there is no wheezy version for it yet |
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| 14:02.20 | freaky[t] | i think it is possible |
| 14:02.24 | mumpitze1 | http://forum.parallels.com/showthread.php?289819-Plesk-for-Wheezy-! |
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| 14:02.46 | freaky[t] | Wheezy is supported ni Plesk 11.5 just froma website |
| 14:02.47 | mumpitze1 | it's not: http://www.parallels.com/de/download/plesk/11.5/requirements/ no support |
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| 14:03.06 | mumpitze1 | these packages, they are part of plesk, right? |
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| 14:03.27 | mumpitze1 | remove plesk and reinstall it this magical 11.5 version. or wait until it is supported |
| 14:03.31 | freaky[t] | hetzner.de in the panel supports wheezy with plesik |
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| 14:04.11 | mumpitze1 | then ask hetzner. plesk.com certainly does not |
| 14:04.22 | mumpitze1 | rather: parallels does not |
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| 14:05.48 | jelly-home | freaky[t]: installing Plesk makes a mess of the distro, and from that point on you basically have to ask parallels support for things |
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| 14:09.02 | umarzuki | freaky[t]: install on a distro that supports that version then |
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| 14:17.46 | freaky[t] | ok i resolved the problem with the aptitude command |
| 14:18.07 | freaky[t] | plesk supports debian wheezy else hetzner wouldnt have it as the only option (not debian 6) |
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| 14:20.33 | karih | after upgrading to debian 7.2 LVMs are missing, is it a know problem |
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| 14:20.44 | dutchfish | freaky[t], i always run parallels updates first on a test system and after rigorous testing/fixing i decide to do a roll up in a production envirenment after having consistent backups, since then i have no major issues anymore running it on debian. |
| 14:21.17 | dutchfish | freaky[t], the same goes for wheezy updates |
| 14:21.29 | freaky[t] | dutchfish do i have to update plesk for wheezy in some way? cuz im upgrading from squeeze |
| 14:22.20 | dutchfish | freaky[t], i never ever do upgrade for a new release, i always prepare form scratch on a test system. For point upgrades i test first and then decide. Just my 2 cents. |
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| 14:22.44 | dutchfish | freaky[t], dist upgrading on plesk/parallels is messy |
| 14:22.51 | freaky[t] | yes i noticed |
| 14:22.57 | freaky[t] | in future i wont do it again |
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| 14:22.58 | dutchfish | dont do that! |
| 14:23.03 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 14:23.45 | dutchfish | freaky[t], they have pretty solutions to backup and restore between dist-pugrades, use them. |
| 14:23.47 | freaky[t] | but now i did |
| 14:24.02 | freaky[t] | dutchfish i dont know of any |
| 14:24.13 | karih | after upgrading to debian 7.2, first boot took into busybox |
| 14:24.21 | dutchfish | maybe roll back from a backup on your production enevirenment, and start testing first in a test envirenment. |
| 14:24.38 | dutchfish | thats th ebets thing to do for you and you nerves ;) |
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| 14:24.42 | jelly-home | karih: does "vgchange -ay" in busybox work? |
| 14:25.01 | karih | yes it does |
| 14:25.31 | karih | just wonder, what was broken during the upgrade |
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| 14:25.42 | jelly-home | karih: if you exit busybox at that point, does the boot process continue? |
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| 14:25.49 | obiwahn | where is the network hostname set that the system advertises |
| 14:25.51 | karih | yes |
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| 14:26.10 | obiwahn | i want to change the name shown on the network without changing the real host name |
| 14:26.26 | obiwahn | i know that there is some way but i forgot about it:) |
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| 14:26.30 | ChibaPet | DNS? |
| 14:26.34 | valgrind | sup |
| 14:26.38 | dvs | obiwahn: /etc/hostname |
| 14:26.44 | jelly-home | karih: hm. Sometimes the initramfs image doesn't get built properly |
| 14:26.47 | obiwahn | dvs: no |
| 14:26.58 | obiwahn | dvs: i do not want to cahnge the real hostname |
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| 14:27.09 | karih | jelly-home: ok, maybe i should try to rebuild it |
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| 14:27.33 | Greylocks | obiwahn: man hostname tells you |
| 14:27.40 | jelly-home | karih: I've seen such symptoms since lenny, but at least two relevant bugs have been fixed since |
| 14:28.09 | freaky[t] | ahh its dist-upgrading ;D |
| 14:28.28 | ChibaPet | obiwahn: What advertisement are you talking about? Sounds like it's service by service if DNS isn't what you want. |
| 14:28.55 | jelly-home | karih: in squeeze, using /dev/mapper/vgname-lvname as root= parameter used to trigger an alternative command path so that worked better than using root=UUID=... or root=LABEL=... |
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| 14:29.23 | jelly-home | or root=/dev/disk/by-uuid/... |
| 14:29.30 | obiwahn | like on the router my system shows up with the hostname |
| 14:29.40 | freaky[t] | plesk is still running - though it had a password change and i needed to reset the password |
| 14:29.42 | obiwahn | without configuring anything |
| 14:29.55 | obiwahn | i do not want that the name of my host is shared |
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| 14:30.27 | karih | jelly-home: I didn't change anything, just upgraded wheezy to 7.2 |
| 14:30.33 | ChibaPet | obiwahn: Your question is not grounded in reality. There's nothing that broadcasts your box's name willy-nilly. There is DNS and there are specific services. |
| 14:31.06 | buu | ChibaPet: That does raise the question though, how does the router get the box name? |
| 14:31.08 | jelly-home | ChibaPet: the dhcp client does that. |
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| 14:31.12 | buu | ah |
| 14:31.13 | antihero | !help pkg |
| 14:31.18 | karih | jelly-home: it seems that the LV containing root fs does not exist until I execute vgchange -ay on busybox |
| 14:31.25 | jelly-home | antihero: what are you triyng to do? |
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| 14:31.37 | antihero | I want a backport for nodejs |
| 14:31.59 | antihero | or if one does not exist, I need to refresh memory on how to make one |
| 14:32.12 | jelly-home | karih: correct, initramfs is supposed to bring up the relevant volume group |
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| 14:32.37 | jelly-home | antihero: /msg judd versions nodejs, /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 14:32.41 | obiwahn | buu: dhcp/dhclient.conf:#send host-name = gethostname(); |
| 14:32.43 | obiwahn | bingo |
| 14:32.57 | ChibaPet | jelly-home: The dhcp client is a particular service then, as noted. |
| 14:32.59 | antihero | woop, not even in wheezy :/ |
| 14:33.25 | obiwahn | mh |
| 14:33.26 | jelly-home | ChibaPet: potahto... |
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| 14:33.51 | ChibaPet | jelly-home: Well, he didn't say he was using that. But if he is, then the dhclient config has his answer. |
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| 14:34.04 | ChibaPet | jelly-home: Maybe he's advertising via Avahi. We don't know. |
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| 14:34.17 | jelly-home | ChibaPet: it's usually being used by default |
| 14:34.53 | freaky[t] | ok apache has a missing lib but ok ... will get that fixed i think |
| 14:34.58 | freaky[t] | first let it finish dist-upgrading ;D |
| 14:35.31 | ChibaPet | jelly-home: I don't dispute that. I'm just saying, his question is nebulous. There are only services, and he needs to say which one he cares about in this case. I won't pursue this violent agreement further. :P |
| 14:36.08 | antihero | Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/n/nodejs/nodejs_0.10.20~dfsg1-1.debian.tar.gz Could not open file nodejs_0.10.20~dfsg1-1.debian.tar.gz - open (13: Permission denied) [IP: 80.84.224.198 80] |
| 14:36.12 | antihero | wat |
| 14:36.18 | antihero | oh wait holdon |
| 14:36.30 | antihero | nevermind |
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| 14:41.13 | antihero | wtf is gyp and why do I have to download ~700MB of latex related crap just to compile node? |
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| 14:44.51 | TeddyH | Are backport packages supposed to be versioned as bpo70+1 or bpo7+1 ? |
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| 14:45.17 | ChibaPet | TeddyH: Sadly, I don't know here either. |
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| 14:45.28 | obiwahn | ChibaPet: i was not sure what it could be |
| 14:45.57 | ChibaPet | obiwahn: In that case... What is noticing your hostname that you don't want to? |
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| 14:46.14 | obiwahn | if i had known what service it was i would have been more precise |
| 14:46.28 | TeddyH | bpo7+1 seems the more logical choice, since minor versions are now 7.1, 7.2, etc. But bpo70+1 is more common what I can see. |
| 14:46.46 | obiwahn | it was the dhclient script that gave the name away |
| 14:46.56 | ChibaPet | obiwahn: What on the network is seeing your hostname? In what context is it being seen? |
| 14:47.05 | obiwahn | other computers |
| 14:47.18 | ChibaPet | obiwahn: No, what software running on other computers is noting your hostname? |
| 14:47.23 | antihero | does debian have an equivalent to PPA |
| 14:47.35 | antihero | just I'm compiling node and forgot how to use reprepro |
| 14:47.44 | obiwahn | it was some mac finder |
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| 14:47.56 | obiwahn | not sure waht that uses |
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| 14:48.27 | antihero | or shall I just make one on launchpad and only use debian |
| 14:48.47 | ChibaPet | obiwahn: That makes it seem like you've got some file-sharing service turned on, possibly Avahi advertising you. |
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| 14:49.28 | hermod | Hello, I am trying to use setuid to run an application as a different user. But somehow it does not work, what am I doing wrong? I did: "chown user:group binfile" and "chmod g+s binfile". It then sais "-rwxr-sr-x 1 user group binfile". But when I try "su someuser -c binfile" I get an error about permissions, where "su user -c binfile" works as expected. |
| 14:49.45 | obiwahn | i need to read a bit - or do you know if there is a way to execute some sehll code within the dhclient.conf |
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| 14:50.11 | ChibaPet | obiwahn: No, that's a file. It doesn't exist as an environment in which things can be executed. |
| 14:50.35 | ChibaPet | obiwahn: It's also not a language that can have grammar, if that's what you're asking. |
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| 14:51.22 | obiwahn | send host-name = gethostname(); |
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| 14:51.29 | ChibaPet | obiwahn: I think before you start you should find out precisely what software sees your hostname, and then decide if you want to change your hostname, change the advertised name, or change the services advertising your name. |
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| 14:51.37 | TeddyH | hermod: Make sure someuser has appropriate permissions on all parent directories to binfile. |
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| 14:52.23 | hermod | TeddyH: it does, i may have to be a little more specific, if you don't mind |
| 14:52.30 | ChibaPet | hermod: you don't seem to be setting the setuid bit there. |
| 14:52.43 | hermod | i don't? |
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| 14:52.57 | ChibaPet | hermod: You're setting setgid there. |
| 14:53.06 | TeddyH | hermod: To be precise, you are setting the *setgid* bit, not the setuid bit. |
| 14:53.29 | xlq | How can I find a list of versions of a package that are available? I want to downgrade a package. |
| 14:53.30 | hermod | ChibaPet: o yes, that's right and also intended... |
| 14:53.34 | hermod | sorry |
| 14:53.53 | hermod | ok let me explain a litte more specific |
| 14:54.17 | TeddyH | xlq: apt-cache show <package> should do it? |
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| 14:54.26 | Guest29135 | all, i'm facing an error while compiling snort. "segmentation fault" here's the error: http://pastebin.com/JjniSse5 any advice on how to troubleshoot ? |
| 14:55.04 | xlq | TeddyH: That only shows the latest version. Perhaps the older versions are removed from the repository. |
| 14:55.16 | ChibaPet | hermod: Something I've seen/done is that you want a specific group to be able to run something, and have them execute it as a specific user. If that's the goal, have the user and group ownership correct on the file, and maybe chmod 4010 it? |
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| 14:56.04 | amdintel | if I want a the source for a package, where can I go to obtain it? |
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| 14:56.10 | TeddyH | Guest29135: Probably faulty hardware or corrupted installation. Check your hardware with a memory checker and your installation with debsums. |
| 14:56.11 | amdintel | I can tell you the package name |
| 14:56.14 | amdintel | ldap-utils |
| 14:56.40 | TeddyH | xlq: Check on http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 14:56.40 | Guest29135 | TeddyH: thank you, i will |
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| 14:57.41 | TeddyH | amdintel: apt-get source <package> is the canonical answer, if your sources.list file has the appropriate deb-src lines configured. |
| 14:58.52 | amdintel | canonical? I don't want to ever have affiliation with ubuntu |
| 14:59.02 | amdintel | debian != ubuntu |
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| 14:59.18 | xlq | amdintel: "Canonical" is a word, not just the name of a company. |
| 14:59.24 | hermod | TeddyH ChibaPet: The user/group dspam:dspam has access to /usr/bin/dspam_stats like so: "-rwxr-sr-x". There are file that need to be accessed by this binary: /etc/dspam/dspam.conf (dspam:dspam rw,r,r) /etc/dspam/dspam.d/ (root:root rwx,rx,rx). Files in dspam.d are (dspam:dspam rw,r,---). Now I need to execute dspam_stats from the user www-data, but as user dspam. With setgid, I still get errors about not being able to read the files in dspam |
| 14:59.36 | TeddyH | amdintel: :-) I meant canonical as in the normal, standard answer. http://catb.org/jargon/html/C/canonical.html |
| 14:59.41 | hermod | ChibaPet: I doesn't seem to work with chmod 4010 and www-data |
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| 15:00.22 | amdintel | TeddyH: sorry |
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| 15:00.51 | hermod | TeddyH ChibaPet: Files in dspam.d are holding passwords, so I don't think it's good change their permissions |
| 15:01.09 | TeddyH | hermod: Sounds like you want setuid and not setgid then. |
| 15:01.26 | hermod | ok, so I'll try that, one sec |
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| 15:02.13 | amdintel | how do I take apart a deb package? |
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| 15:02.45 | hermod | TeddyH: yeah, well, then another weird error comes up: # su www-data -s /bin/bash -c "/usr/bin/dspam_stats" |
| 15:02.45 | hermod | Program mode requires special privileges, e.g., root or Trusted User |
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| 15:03.07 | TeddyH | amdintel: dpkg-deb ---extract |
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| 15:03.53 | TeddyH | hermod: What's the mode on dspam_stats now? |
| 15:03.57 | ChibaPet | hermod: 4010 wouldn't, sorry |
| 15:04.09 | hermod | TeddyH: -rwxr-sr-x |
| 15:04.19 | TeddyH | hermod: That's still setgid |
| 15:04.23 | hermod | dammit |
| 15:04.26 | hermod | wrong binary |
| 15:04.31 | hermod | -rwsr-xr-x |
| 15:04.33 | amdintel | TeddyH: that's a hell of a lot simpler than dealing with RPMs |
| 15:04.36 | hermod | thats the dspam_stats |
| 15:04.45 | amdintel | TeddyH: you ever had to take apart and build RPMs? pain in the ass |
| 15:04.49 | ChibaPet | hermod: 4010 says "for users in the group foo, let them run the binary as the stated user" - what you want is your setgid, but possibly also setuid if you need to write to the rw-r----- file. |
| 15:05.28 | amdintel | hah |
| 15:05.42 | amdintel | I got interviewed the other day for senior linux sysadmin |
| 15:05.58 | amdintel | the guy asks me, what would you say if I said a file has permissions of 755 |
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| 15:06.05 | amdintel | I said, I'd say you forgot the first octal value |
| 15:06.10 | hermod | ChibaPet: I don't think writing is necessary, but somehow it seems with setgid/setuid that permissions are not pushed through, so that these files still are not accessible for reading. |
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| 15:06.22 | hermod | TeddyH: -rwsr-xr-x it is |
| 15:06.45 | ChibaPet | hermod: 4010 doesn't allow people not already in the group to run it, so it's somewhat the opposite of what you want. Try 6711 maybe. |
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| 15:07.32 | ChibaPet | hermod: 6711 says, owner can read, write, execute, group can execute, world can execute - on execution, sets user to the file's owner and group to the file's group. |
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| 15:08.11 | hermod | ChibaPet: sounds right, but still: Program mode requires special privileges, e.g., root or Trusted User |
| 15:08.20 | hermod | the mode is -rws--s--x |
| 15:08.26 | hermod | from 6711 |
| 15:08.38 | ChibaPet | hermod: Right, which works as noted. |
| 15:09.15 | amdintel | I did apt-get source ldap-utils, and it downloaded openldap |
| 15:09.19 | jelly-home | hermod: #! scripts can't be setuid (or setgid) in Linux, those permission bits will only work for compiled binaries |
| 15:09.34 | hermod | It seems like somehow the binary does some checking on user/privileges, because this error doesn't sound like a general one... |
| 15:09.53 | ChibaPet | Ooh... hermod: he's right, if it's a script, then you need those permissions on a small wrapper binary instead. |
| 15:09.54 | TeddyH | hermod: Yes; I don't think the file mode is your problem anymore. |
| 15:09.59 | hermod | I'm not sure if that's a script. dspam seems to be partly perl, but dspam_stats clearly is binary |
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| 15:10.39 | ChibaPet | jelly-home: I thought they could but but then it was terrifically easy to subvert them. |
| 15:10.44 | hermod | what if the binary calls a script? |
| 15:10.50 | TeddyH | amdintel: Yes; many different packages can be built from one source package. |
| 15:10.51 | ChibaPet | hermod: That's okay. |
| 15:10.59 | freaky[t] | omg i think ... i did the upgrade ... ok i shouldnt be happy too early ... grub wasnt able to be installed on the device it was installed before and the mdadm config doesnt have arrays defined oO |
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| 15:11.12 | hermod | well, if I can't vim it, it's a binary, right? |
| 15:11.33 | ChibaPet | hermod: run 'file' on it and you should see just what it is. |
| 15:11.42 | TeddyH | hermod: Run /usr/bin/file on it |
| 15:11.56 | amdintel | TeddyH: I had no idea... |
| 15:12.10 | hermod | ChibaPet: TeddyH: /usr/bin/dspam_stats: setuid setgid ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.26, BuildID[sha1]=0xaf4e1c4db38a481a1b7e7d04f290cc75cb4c0a86, stripped |
| 15:12.10 | amdintel | TeddyH: thanks for the help man, I have some work to do... |
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| 15:12.49 | TeddyH | freaky[t]: You shouldn't install grub onto md0 anymore, you should mark all of its component devices and let grub install itself individually on all of them instead. |
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| 15:13.39 | TeddyH | freaky[t]: Run /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf to get a mdadm.conf file on stdout |
| 15:13.42 | freaky[t] | TeddyH ok how do i reconfigure the grub package that does write the grub to devices? |
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| 15:14.04 | TeddyH | freaky[t]: Humm, dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc I think |
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| 15:14.16 | mumpitze1 | freaky[t]: you run grub-install |
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| 15:14.47 | hermod | this is driving me nuts, i tried to use PSGI/Plack, but it doesn't seem to work as a daemon for just simple perl scripts (webapps stuff). and the only other way seems to run the fcgi daemon as dspam user, which renders it useless for other cgi scripts |
| 15:14.48 | ChibaPet | freaky[t]: As TeddyH noted, 'dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc' will let you pick targets after the initial 'Linux command line' screen. |
| 15:14.54 | freaky[t] | ok and about the mdadm.conf ... i have one in a backup from around 2 weeks ago and it doesnt show me any device definitions |
| 15:15.50 | freaky[t] | but the command mkconf gives me something ... should i really replace the |
| 15:16.00 | freaky[t] | DEVICES /dev/[hs]d* |
| 15:16.01 | freaky[t] | with that? |
| 15:16.04 | TeddyH | freaky[t]: Yes |
| 15:16.50 | TeddyH | After you do that, don't forget to regenerate the initramfs images |
| 15:17.04 | freaky[t] | how do i do that? |
| 15:17.19 | freaky[t] | regenerate initramfs images |
| 15:17.25 | TeddyH | update-initramfs -k all -c |
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| 15:18.01 | TeddyH | Or update-initramfs -k all -u |
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| 15:19.10 | TeddyH | freaky[t]: Yes, definitely update-initramfs -k all -u |
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| 15:19.36 | hermod | TeddyH: ok, enough already, I'm going to rewrite the web ui in php... except you have another idea? :) |
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| 15:20.34 | TeddyH | hermod: Django! :-D |
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| 15:26.01 | drake01 | hi guys, how to control (monitor and kill) processes on remote linux boxes from a box in lan? |
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| 15:27.14 | socomm | drake01: ssh |
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| 15:29.19 | jenia | hi everyone |
| 15:29.40 | jenia | where do yo set the system wide "default email" address? |
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| 15:31.27 | socomm | jenia: re-word question pls |
| 15:31.44 | socomm | jenia: I'm thinking you're referring to /etc/aliases, but not clear on your question |
| 15:32.10 | jenia | im using emacs as mail client. and the default email that it uses is jenia@debian.jenia or something like that |
| 15:32.16 | drake01 | socomm: Control is to be automated. so using a script, how do I ssh if the encryption keys are not setup on remote machines? |
| 15:32.22 | jenia | and i want to change it to my actual email |
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| 15:33.36 | freaky[t] | ok thank you very much for all the help ;D |
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| 15:33.43 | socomm | jenia: would think thats an emacs specific question -- /j #emacs |
| 15:33.58 | socomm | drake01: what are you trying to do |
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| 15:34.17 | jenia | its possible. i just wanted to know if there's a system wide variable |
| 15:34.20 | jenia | thanks socomm |
| 15:34.24 | socomm | drake01: if you've not setup sshkeys, do it, if you don't want to there are always other authentication mechanisms like password or Kerberos authentication |
| 15:34.32 | jhutchins | jenia: AFIK there isn't a standard way to set that that applies across applications. |
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| 15:35.06 | socomm | jenia: emacs is taking your user@host.domain, but I'd ask on #emacs for clarification |
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| 15:35.22 | jenia | thanks socomm and jhutchins |
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| 15:36.17 | drake01 | socomm: I need to monitor a process on remote linux machine for cpu it is using and after some limit, I need to kill it and restart it. But it need to be automated. I don't have keys setup on remote box. Password cant be written in script. |
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| 15:41.15 | ChrisH | drake01: typical case for Nagios or OMD |
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| 15:42.31 | geggam | drake01, monit |
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| 15:45.33 | jelly-home | +1 for monit, setting up nagios for a single process on a single machine would be overkill |
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| 15:46.51 | b0rsuk | Hi, when installing Debian from USB, will 'isohybrid' work like netinst except with more packages out of the box ? |
| 15:47.03 | b0rsuk | I'd be happy to save a little downloading. |
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| 15:47.27 | b0rsuk | Hmm, nevermind, I need to download it either way. |
| 15:47.45 | jhutchins | drake01: I would think a local monitoring script would work best. |
| 15:48.22 | socomm | drake01: like other people have mentioned Nagios or pretty much any half-decent monitoring system will help with what you outlined. |
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| 16:06.22 | obiwahn | ChibaPet: http://paste.debian.net/57050/ |
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| 16:07.41 | ChibaPet | obiwahn: If that makes you happy, I guess... :P |
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| 16:11.26 | cmdnoob | is there a way to tell a fake 32gb rate 10 sd card YOU ARE 4gig rate 4 ? |
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| 16:11.53 | cmdnoob | i just make backup of my debian image but the imager makes a backup of the 32 |
| 16:11.59 | cmdnoob | but the card is actually only 4 |
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| 16:12.33 | paxcoder | hey, anyone using cinnamon? I just installed a fresh unstable, and when I click on the menu in either normal or ("?)2D("?) cinnamon, it becomes unresponsive. Heck, I'd think X becomes unresponsive but I think I can move my mouse around. What I can't do is Alt+Backspace to restart X though. |
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| 16:16.36 | BrixSAt1 | Hello E: Package 'icecast2' has no installation candidate :( apt-get install icecast2 |
| 16:16.40 | BrixSAt1 | how do i installit? |
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| 16:19.11 | IRVin | bonjour |
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| 16:20.26 | IRVin | dans la commande find avec le paramètre -exec, j'aimerai savoir si de mettre {} entre quote a une incidence |
| 16:20.37 | IRVin | "find / -uid 1000 -exec chown 2000 {} \;" "find / -uid 1000 -exec chown 2000 '{}' \;" |
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| 16:22.04 | Sevet | IRVin: #debian-fr |
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| 16:24.24 | IRVin | sur debian*, dans la commande find avec le paramètre -exec, j'aimerai savoir si de mettre {} entre quote a une incidence :) |
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| 16:26.07 | jcbjoe | what im trying to figure out are laptops better off on windows or linux / windows seems like it maintains the battery bettery better .. linux its like your at the kernels mercy or something .. any thoughts ? |
| 16:26.19 | jcbjoe | i went from 100% to 79% is 30 mins |
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| 16:29.35 | mowgl3y | Hi #debian |
| 16:29.46 | acu | I am trying to get Debian 7.2 - and it seem that ther are no CDs option for it - even the link on the uppe corner at debian.org site points to a 7.1 version - and of course all other cds point to 7.1 - any hints ? http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 16:30.22 | D|nA | wait for an iso update |
| 16:31.25 | mowgl3y | i am on stable and i am trying to install pgadmin3 1.16 which is in testing. i cant find the backport for it. whats the way to install it? |
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| 16:34.02 | acu | D|nA, what do you mean ? THe link is labeled 7.2, the announcement was made two days ago, I guess there should be some iso with 7.2 |
| 16:34.04 | mowgl3y | i dont want to add testing to the sources.list and do defaul-release 'stable' cause then for apt-get update ti hits everylink. |
| 16:34.32 | mowgl3y | acu: you can install 7.1 and do a apt-get upgrade. |
| 16:35.03 | mowgl3y | acu: or wait for iso update as D|nA said |
| 16:35.04 | acu | mowgl3y, you can just download the .deb files (and make sure you have the prerequisites too) and then you can dpkg --install whateverpackage.deb |
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| 16:35.45 | acu | mowgl3y, so as today there is no iso file with 7.2 amd 64 ? |
| 16:36.06 | D|nA | mowgl3y, if you haven't installed debian yet, get a 7.1 it will download and install all the avail. updates and in the end you'll have 7.2 |
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| 16:36.15 | mowgl3y | acu: theres no deb file on pgadmin site. it tells me to check the backports. and the version i am looking for is not in backports. |
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| 16:36.28 | D|nA | or just update... |
| 16:36.34 | mowgl3y | D|nA : i have 7.2 |
| 16:36.43 | mowgl3y | D|nA : i did a apt-get upgrade today |
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| 16:37.00 | D|nA | then wait to update the isos to 7.2 no big deal:) |
| 16:37.29 | mowgl3y | D|nA: i am not looking for 7.2 iso. acu is :p |
| 16:37.46 | D|nA | oops sorry, still sleepy :/ |
| 16:38.07 | acu | mowgl3y, why exactly do you need pgadmin 3.1 ? I use postgresql very little pgadminIII but found nothing in it that demands the latest |
| 16:38.07 | mowgl3y | D|nA: i am looking to install a package from testing which is not in backports. i cant find the deb file on pgadmin3 site. |
| 16:38.31 | mowgl3y | acu: pgadmin3 1.14 doesnt support 9.2 |
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| 16:38.53 | Sary | jcbjoe: you might wanna check the hardware compatibility http://www.linlap.com/ |
| 16:38.54 | mowgl3y | acu: has to be >=1.16 |
| 16:38.59 | somiaj | mowgl3y: you do not install testing packages on stable, that is just bad bad juju |
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| 16:39.06 | somiaj | mowgl3y: you can make your own backports though. |
| 16:39.25 | mowgl3y | somiaj: juju :p |
| 16:39.27 | jcbjoe | Sary: powertop shows this 100.0%DeviceAudio codec hwC0D3: Intel and 100.0%DeviceAudio codec hwC0D0: Realtek |
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| 16:39.54 | mowgl3y | somiaj: how to make my own backport? can you link me to it. |
| 16:39.55 | somiaj | mowgl3y: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 16:40.13 | somiaj | you can use testing or sid deb-src repo, if the package it nice it is easy, if it is not easy to backport it can be a pain |
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| 16:40.42 | acu | mowgl3y, I did not look what is the supported version in wheezy - is it 9,1 ? so it seem that you are actually not using it either ? |
| 16:41.09 | mowgl3y | somiaj: ok ill look it up. |
| 16:41.16 | acu | but - yes bad juju :) |
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| 16:41.36 | mowgl3y | acu: wheezy has 9.1 but i am trying to connect to aws linux ami which has 9.2 |
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| 16:41.59 | Sary | jcbjoe: which of debian releases you're running! |
| 16:42.23 | mowgl3y | juju reminds me of howard moon :) |
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| 16:42.37 | jcbjoe | wheezy 7.1 |
| 16:44.12 | somiaj | what was the3 package name again mowgl3y ? |
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| 16:44.39 | Sary | jcbjoe: kernel version! # uname -a |
| 16:45.28 | acu | does anyone knows when any 7.2 iso is going to be available ? |
| 16:46.02 | somiaj | ,check backport pgadmin3 |
| 16:46.09 | acu | who takes care of it ? |
| 16:46.48 | somiaj | ,check-backport pgadmin3 |
| 16:46.49 | judd | Backporting package pgadmin3 in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 16:47.06 | jelly-home | acu: took a week or so last time |
| 16:47.07 | Sary | acu: perhaps you're looking for debian-update images! http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 16:47.14 | somiaj | mowgl3y: looks like it might not be to difficult to backport, just follow the instructions in /msg dpkg ssb -- also realize you won't get any security support for said package. |
| 16:47.27 | jelly-home | acu: are you installing to an offline machine? |
| 16:47.32 | mowgl3y | somiaj: name of the package is pgadmin3 |
| 16:48.18 | mowgl3y | somiaj: cheers. ill follow the dpkg route |
| 16:48.44 | somiaj | mowgl3y: and again never mix stable sources with testing sources (or other sources that are not made to be compadable with the version you are using) else you will run into trouble |
| 16:48.59 | somiaj | the route to get software not available or need a new version is usually compile |
| 16:49.35 | mowgl3y | somiaj: wont get the security updates if i compile from source right? |
| 16:49.43 | mumpitze1 | mowgl3y: right |
| 16:50.09 | mowgl3y | kk |
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| 16:51.37 | jumperswitch_ | hi |
| 16:51.40 | IRVin | waïkiki power |
| 16:51.46 | somiaj | mowgl3y: you will basically have to recompile a fixed/secure version again if a security hole is found. |
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| 16:51.52 | jumperswitch_ | hi |
| 16:52.07 | jumperswitch_ | hi |
| 16:52.16 | Sary | hey |
| 16:52.19 | IRVin | han |
| 16:52.41 | mowgl3y | somiaj: i see. ill have to do meself it then |
| 16:52.46 | jumperswitch | So I installed Debian inside a LXC container. Debian detected it runs in chroot and skipped the udev part. |
| 16:53.08 | jumperswitch | Are there any additional modifications necessary to adapt a Debian system to a pure chroot / LXC container environment? |
| 16:53.13 | jumperswitch | What can be disabled? |
| 16:53.13 | cybrNaut | are there any debian tools that do the job of SuperCite? (that's an emacs lib that does reply quoting) |
| 16:53.14 | Frank81 | nice work from debian that he regonized it |
| 16:53.14 | Frank81 | :D |
| 16:53.42 | acu | Anyhow, it is at least confusing - the headers are for 7.2 and the isos are 7.1 in here - http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 16:53.43 | Frank81 | Naut maybe simply google SuperCite Debian |
| 16:53.43 | Frank81 | :D |
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| 16:54.35 | cybrNaut | Frank81: i don't use google. But other searches result in everything about Supercite... not replacements |
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| 16:54.48 | cybrNaut | i'm looking for a non-emacs alternative to supercite |
| 16:55.07 | cybrNaut | (something to use in a Tcl script) |
| 16:55.08 | jumperswitch | anyone? |
| 16:55.27 | somiaj | jumperswitch: the base debian (debootstrap) install is fairly minimial and should work fine in a chroot |
| 16:55.32 | jumperswitch | so this should also expand until it can read mail :) ? (cited from somewhere) |
| 16:55.34 | somiaj | jumperswitch: just only install the software you need. |
| 16:55.42 | jumperswitch | somiaj: yes, I am also trying with multistrap |
| 16:55.47 | cybrNaut | heh.. ddg comes back with "Did you mean supercute?" |
| 16:56.06 | cybrNaut | no, i really meant supercite |
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| 16:56.22 | acu | jelly-home: I have few "offline" and few online - so I can do a netinstall, however, I do not want to install an old kernel and updated it - i want a clean 7.2, and it seem that there is no link for any .iso 7.2 of any kind (netboot or otherwise) |
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| 16:56.39 | somiaj | jumperswitch: I haven't used multistrap but it is basically the same thing. PUts a minimial system and works fine in a chroot. I think the issue is pay attention to what software you install. |
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| 16:57.08 | jelly-home | acu: so wait a week or so until d-i images appear |
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| 16:58.12 | acu | jelly-home, I guess I have no option, I think the "advertising" that 7.2 is released could have been postponed until at least one d-i image with this version is available :) |
| 16:58.28 | jumperswitch | somiaj: alright |
| 16:59.00 | jumperswitch | because for this usecase (always look at the usecase, there is no silverbullet (like kvm, xen or whatever)) lxc is exactly what I need. |
| 16:59.10 | jelly-home | acu: or you could, you know, use the 7.1 installer and let it dist-upgrade |
| 16:59.13 | umarzuki | Guest12541: it seems even on 32-bit wheezy flashplugin-nonfree does not work too |
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| 16:59.48 | jelly-home | acu: "do not want to" does not sound like a valid technical reason |
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| 17:01.22 | acu | jelly-home: did not get that part with do not want to - anytime when an upgrade is done, no matter how perfect, there are loose ends and inconsitencies, |
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| 17:01.44 | somiaj | acu: you could also use a local apt-mirror or just copy over the contents of /var/cache/apt/archive with the new 7.2 packages |
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| 17:02.15 | jelly-home | acu: you're going to keep doing it during the lifetime of the installation |
| 17:02.47 | acu | jelly-home, innevitable, but at least I try when I install a server anew, to start fresh and clean :) |
| 17:03.03 | acu | specially I noticed that kernel version is updated also |
| 17:03.24 | Sevet | you needlessly waste an awful lot of your time then |
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| 17:04.08 | jelly-home | acu: my point is this is SOP on Debian. Hunting for a perfect initial installation is silly. |
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| 17:05.34 | somiaj | acu: then pull the hd from the server, plug the hd into a debian box and install with debootstrap. It will install the newest packages without having to wait for the new d-i's to be made. |
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| 17:07.19 | acu | somiaj: it seem that I have to learn to do that, I also did not look close when you do net-install whether the kernel installed is the one from CD or if newer, the one from repositories ? |
| 17:07.51 | somiaj | netinstall installs the base system (including kernel) from the cd |
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| 17:08.05 | acu | I see, thanks |
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| 17:08.28 | somiaj | you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. The difference between the kernel and the updated kernel is small, yes there maybe some secuirty holes but they are quickly fixable with upgrading which is why debian packages are designed to do so. |
| 17:09.35 | somiaj | but maybe you just want to get use to debootstrap. After you do that, you have to then make the system bootable, and part of that is choosing which kernel to download/use |
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| 17:13.41 | acu | thanks somiaj and jelly-home :) |
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| 17:29.30 | TechPingu | Hello |
| 17:29.37 | cmdnoob | is this 2 or 20 gb ? |
| 17:29.43 | cmdnoob | 2017460224 Oct 13 2013 sdbackup.img |
| 17:29.58 | OpenTokix | cmdnoob: ls -lh |
| 17:30.03 | OpenTokix | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.22 | TechPingu | So debian is overheting my laptop, as far as I concluded it's not dust. |
| 17:30.31 | OpenTokix | cmdnoob: It is 2G |
| 17:31.08 | cmdnoob | thx again |
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| 17:33.04 | somiaj | TechPingu: check your resource ussage, is your cpu being used a lot, if so what programs are using it? |
| 17:33.19 | TechPingu | No, not at all, most likely a fancontrol problem |
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| 17:34.16 | mumpitze1 | TechPingu: what hardware is it? |
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| 17:34.38 | D|nA | TechPingu, is it hot or just fans working at max rpm? |
| 17:34.48 | TechPingu | hot |
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| 17:35.02 | TechPingu | max temp is curently at 67°C |
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| 17:35.46 | TechPingu | as soon as I run anything java it goes up to max:80 avg: 72 |
| 17:35.50 | TechPingu | all celsius |
| 17:36.33 | mumpitze1 | how high is it when the cpu is actually under full load? |
| 17:36.35 | jelly-home | TechPingu: and cpu frequency scaling is active? |
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| 17:36.54 | D|nA | fans are working correctly TechPingu ? |
| 17:38.15 | TechPingu | CPU freq, no not really as far as I can tell it wasn't even installed |
| 17:38.22 | TechPingu | I'd have to check the fans |
| 17:38.23 | TechPingu | sec |
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| 17:38.41 | D|nA | usually when the temp rising fans increase their speed |
| 17:38.43 | redder | the window for my bleachbit seems to have frozen, how do i check through the terminal to see if its still really running |
| 17:38.59 | D|nA | redder, top |
| 17:39.59 | redder | D|nA top? |
| 17:40.09 | TechPingu | it does speed up yes |
| 17:40.18 | TechPingu | yes open up the terminal |
| 17:40.21 | TechPingu | and run the top command |
| 17:40.29 | TechPingu | it will show you all running proccesses |
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| 17:40.46 | TechPingu | you can stop it with ctrl + z |
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| 17:41.26 | acu | OK, so it seem that tiny cds or usb stick images are the latest ? http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ --- however I forgot how to make this work - is there a link for a how to ? If I have a usb stick - I need to erase it and then make it bootable and copy oall this files to usb and boot ? I did this few years ago, and forgot - can anyone look at it ? |
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| 17:42.46 | redder | TechPingu any way to target bleachbit to see if its running? there are 4000+ entries in top |
| 17:42.48 | acu | I got lazy lately by just doing cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb (or whatever) and that took care of everything :) |
| 17:43.20 | acu | but now I now there are few steps I need to do in certain order etc |
| 17:43.27 | TechPingu | you could with ps -a and grep |
| 17:43.35 | TechPingu | read about them a bit and you'll get it |
| 17:44.38 | TechPingu | or easier yet |
| 17:44.47 | TechPingu | ps -C bleachbit |
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| 17:47.59 | TechPingu | so any ideas on the fan problem? |
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| 17:48.03 | TechPingu | I mean overheating* |
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| 17:48.58 | Sary | have you tried lm-sensors and fancontrol ! |
| 17:49.09 | TechPingu | yes |
| 17:49.18 | jelly-home | TechPingu: aight. What does grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo | uniq say? |
| 17:49.27 | redder | thx TechPingu, anyone well versed in bleachbit and what can be deleted and what should not be deleted? what about bleachbit as admin? |
| 17:49.41 | jelly-home | TechPingu: or better yet pastebin the whole file |
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| 17:49.51 | shafire | hi |
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| 17:49.54 | TechPingu | sure thing jelly-home just a sec |
| 17:50.01 | shafire | how do I configure ipv6 support in network/interfaces? |
| 17:50.48 | jelly-home | shafire: man interfaces tells you there are examples at /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz. |
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| 17:50.57 | shafire | thanks, sorry |
| 17:51.10 | TechPingu | jelly-home here you go http://pastebin.com/R4dV3L2k |
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| 17:52.19 | jelly-home | shafire: I'm sorry too, there seem to be no ipv6 examples in wheezy in that file |
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| 17:52.24 | TechPingu | I'm a programmer and not really that well knowledgable when it comes to hardware and hardware issues etc. |
| 17:53.07 | jelly-home | TechPingu: the 800MHz speeds suggest you already have cpufreq working\ |
| 17:53.29 | TechPingu | yes |
| 17:53.45 | TechPingu | and my lm-sensor figures are still not as good as I'd expect them |
| 17:54.42 | Sary | TechPingu: do you happen to have an ATI/Intel hybrid graphics, it could be due! |
| 17:54.56 | TechPingu | yes I have dual video cards |
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| 17:55.06 | TechPingu | I did install the ATI prop. drivers though |
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| 17:55.59 | TechPingu | it did cool down a bit since then, but only by a bit I'd say around 10% |
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| 17:56.12 | TechPingu | still too hot for my liking |
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| 17:56.27 | acu | TechPingu, it seem you get a lot of help - however you need to know whether is a hardware problem (Fan full of dust etc - which can be cleaned with some electronic cleaner spray - of course you may need to open your laptop) ---- or if there is a driver/software problem - you did not mention what Debian version do you run ( Or I could not see it) also is this flashplugin related ( I remember there were serious issues with older flash on |
| 17:56.27 | acu | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.14 | TechPingu | I mostly work with android development, which requires me to work with java with amps it up to 70 avg and over 80 max |
| 17:57.25 | TechPingu | it's not hardware related otherwise windows would have the same issue |
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| 17:57.31 | TechPingu | since I dual boot |
| 17:57.36 | acu | What debian you use ? |
| 17:57.39 | TechPingu | Wheezy |
| 17:57.41 | t0ke | Is it a bad idea to move from a Stable installation to Unstable or Testing? And how can I do it |
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| 17:57.52 | t0ke | I'm on Wheezy at the moment |
| 17:58.00 | TechPingu | yes it's not recommended |
| 17:58.02 | acu | which exactly ? amd or i386 |
| 17:58.18 | TechPingu | the 64 bit one |
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| 17:58.46 | acu | which exactly 64 bit ? |
| 17:58.57 | TechPingu | I'd have to check I forgotten |
| 17:59.10 | acu | uname -r |
| 17:59.38 | TechPingu | amd |
| 18:00.49 | acu | SO it is a single application which drives that overheat ? |
| 18:00.59 | TechPingu | hmm no |
| 18:01.07 | TechPingu | all java related applications |
| 18:01.16 | TechPingu | well not just java anything that needs a lot of resources |
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| 18:01.35 | TechPingu | java being the leader in that department makes it the most extrem |
| 18:01.38 | TechPingu | extreme* |
| 18:02.18 | acu | did you upgrade - update everything - sometimes when I have a mishmash of versions - things get weird - so you may need first to see if your system is updated and you run the proper java version for your application |
| 18:02.22 | acu | that is also important |
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| 18:02.59 | TechPingu | yup |
| 18:04.05 | TechPingu | sec I do need to do an aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 18:04.06 | esaym153 | I need a command line tool to extend a partition. Any recommendations? |
| 18:04.20 | TechPingu | gparted I think |
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| 18:04.53 | esaym153 | I guess fdisk does that? Can't remember. I have a 80gb dd image i copied onto a 160gb hard disk... |
| 18:04.53 | TechPingu | yeah gparted it's called, one of the best I've seen to be honest |
| 18:04.58 | acu | make sure the version for icedtea jre and jdks are right - if there is a mismatch between what you application is written - this is a problem (I cannot give you specifics - it faded from my memory) but I know that is not trivial |
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| 18:05.06 | TechPingu | I purged icedtea |
| 18:05.07 | esaym153 | TechPingu: gparted is gui though right? |
| 18:05.12 | TechPingu | no |
| 18:05.15 | TechPingu | gui is optional |
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| 18:05.27 | Sary | TechPingu: is there a powersave option for your your Intel the integrated graphic card! if so, try to enable it and see how the fan goes. |
| 18:05.46 | TechPingu | there is, I can not enable it though |
| 18:05.51 | esaym153 | TechPingu: yea ok, it is just 'parted' |
| 18:05.56 | acu | !partition |
| 18:05.56 | dpkg | You can partition your hard drive by breaking it up into one or more pieces, or "partitions". Partition manipulators include <fdisk>, <cfdisk>, sfdisk, <parted> and <gparted>. Also ask about <list partitions>. Linux Partition HOWTO: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/. Linux Partitioning mini-FAQ: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/FAQs/partition.html |
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| 18:21.03 | sevenfourk | Hey guys. Can I manage to configure "apt-file update" in cron-apt ? |
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| 18:26.17 | mumpitze1 | sevenfourk: use a normal cronjob for that |
| 18:27.02 | sevenfourk | mumpitze1: already using, just thought I can put that in cron-apt, as it was designed to handle this stuff. |
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| 18:27.50 | VVG356 | I'm trying to do a netinst of debian, which is failing |
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| 18:28.10 | VVG356 | I'm booting from USB, with manually installed syslinux, and the vmlinuz and initrd.gz from here: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 18:28.29 | mumpitze1 | no. cron-apt is made for upgrading via apt. downloading and installing. simply updating repos you can do via cronjob without any issue |
| 18:28.38 | VVG356 | I'm using debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 18:28.40 | mumpitze1 | VVG356: why? |
| 18:28.55 | mumpitze1 | the netinst iso is what you use and nothing else. no other file |
| 18:29.09 | mumpitze1 | VVG356: under what OS are you creating your usb install media? |
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| 18:29.26 | VVG356 | mumpitze1, Linux Mint |
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| 18:29.34 | b0rsuk | Hi, I get a "no space left on device" error while trying to prepare a bootable USB stick. I don't know what to do http://paste.debian.net/57097/ . |
| 18:29.36 | VVG356 | well, the installer starts |
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| 18:29.43 | mumpitze1 | VVG356: cp netinst.iso /dev/sdd (or whatever your usb stick is) and you are done |
| 18:29.47 | VVG356 | but fails at the "iso-scan" part |
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| 18:30.02 | b0rsuk | The stick is 8GB, technically. |
| 18:30.08 | mumpitze1 | cause you didn't do it correctly. note: all data on the usb stick will be gone then |
| 18:30.34 | VVG356 | mumpitze1, the reason I took this method was to avoid that |
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| 18:31.08 | mumpitze1 | VVG356: then use YUMI and put a debian live cd on it |
| 18:31.16 | mumpitze1 | you can install from that too |
| 18:31.24 | Sary | b0rsuk: reformat! |
| 18:31.25 | mumpitze1 | or you use debootstrap and install from mint |
| 18:31.41 | mumpitze1 | b0rsuk: what is the output from dmesg? |
| 18:31.41 | Sary | VVG356: have you Md5sum check the iso! |
| 18:31.43 | tremon | b0rsuk: why "technically"? Also, how certain are you that your usb device was hdc? Because fafaik, usb devices have always been named sdX |
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| 18:31.55 | VVG356 | Sary, yes, they match |
| 18:32.01 | b0rsuk | Hmm. Wait. |
| 18:32.04 | VVG356 | I checked /var/log/syslog |
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| 18:32.20 | Sary | VVG356: have you tried ddi'ng the iso. |
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| 18:32.41 | b0rsuk | Yes, I'm an old fart who remains drives like hdc. Of course, it was supposed to be /dev/sdc ! |
| 18:32.42 | VVG356 | it has "Debian ISO ./debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso usable" |
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| 18:32.55 | tremon | ouch |
| 18:33.02 | VVG356 | but after that "Configuring 'iso-scan' failed with error code 1 |
| 18:33.02 | b0rsuk | %s/remains/remembers/g |
| 18:33.28 | tremon | b0rsuk: I hope /dev/hdc didn't exist or had no important data on it? |
| 18:33.39 | b0rsuk | Thank you. And no, my dmesg is not pretty because my /dev/sda is failing. |
| 18:34.11 | acu | mumpitze1, how can I install straight from an image like this ? > http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ |
| 18:34.14 | b0rsuk | tremon: It only had a Debian Wheezy install, it's fine. |
| 18:34.15 | mumpitze1 | b0rsuk: but dmesg would have told you what the ubs device actually was. plus its size :) |
| 18:34.36 | VVG356 | I'm following these instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-flexible |
| 18:34.49 | Sary | acu: use wget or cUrl! |
| 18:34.50 | b0rsuk | mumpitze1: I looked at it without *seeing*. |
| 18:35.11 | mumpitze1 | acu: those aren't images. and no you can't |
| 18:36.23 | b0rsuk | By the way, I'm installing jessie at home. I need newer libc6 for games :-). |
| 18:36.50 | mumpitze1 | b0rsuk: install stable first then switch to jessie |
| 18:37.02 | b0rsuk | mumpitze1: Why should I / |
| 18:37.16 | mumpitze1 | cause jessie installer does not work usually |
| 18:37.50 | b0rsuk | mumpitze1: So, um, does upgrading work ? |
| 18:38.00 | b0rsuk | Because it doesn't follow that it does :-). |
| 18:38.03 | acu | VVG356, your problem is simple to resolve - just download an iso you want (e.g. amd-whatever.iso then place your usb stick - and see what name is is under mount -l or something like this - you will need to make sure you know e,g. /dev/sdb --- then you just type cat mydeb.iso > /dev/sdb and you will have a bootable usb you can install from - that is all (however be warned that all the data in dat usb will be erased) |
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| 18:39.05 | b0rsuk | What's the advantage of using 'dd' to copy the iso to install media ? People recommend using cat and even cp. |
| 18:39.28 | tremon | acu: what does "installing straight from image" mean? you want to turn on your new machine, point it to an installer image somewhere on the 'net and boot that? |
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| 18:40.13 | trebor_home | hello. i am missing .Xauthority in debian7 (in debian6 it existed) - is it replaced by .ICEauthority? |
| 18:40.16 | b0rsuk | tremon: I think the term is called 'debootstrap'. I've installed Debian that way once. |
| 18:40.17 | tremon | b0rsuk: technically, there is no difference. But dd is arcane enough that most people just do what it says. People tend to be creative with cat and cp, because they "know" these tools |
| 18:40.41 | b0rsuk | tremon: Is this for real ?! |
| 18:41.21 | acu | b0rsuk, for this purpose there is no difference -dd is a low level tool (disk destroyer ?) - I use it to clone machines - it is excelent -but slow - |
| 18:41.26 | tremon | think things like "sudo cat image.iso > /dev/sdc :: permission denied" or use thunar/nautilus to perform the copy |
| 18:41.43 | b0rsuk | Does 'netinst' offer any advantages over, say, hybrid iso apart from smaller size ? |
| 18:42.02 | SaveTheRobots | dd is more adept at block-level operations, i've always used "dd if=blah.iso of=/dev/<USB> bs=4k; sync" to write an iso to a usb key, never had an issue |
| 18:42.13 | mumpitze1 | b0rsuk: it's testing. why should it work? it usually does but there is no real reason why it should: it's not released software |
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| 18:42.54 | b0rsuk | mumpitze1: Well, Ubuntu "Long Time Support" is made from Debian... testing. |
| 18:43.04 | TechPingu | completely unrelated |
| 18:43.10 | tremon | and we all know how well that works :) |
| 18:43.13 | TechPingu | xD |
| 18:43.17 | TechPingu | also there's that |
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| 18:43.30 | b0rsuk | Well, yeah, that's one of main things that turned me off Ubuntu. Upgrades break too often. |
| 18:44.11 | TechPingu | and the fact that they closed down all their canonical code |
| 18:44.22 | TechPingu | and force you to use a shell that you don't want |
| 18:44.32 | b0rsuk | So how stable is jessie for desktop as of today ? I used testing releases in the past and it wasn't too bad. Occasionally something would break a bit, but it wasn't anything I couldn't google. |
| 18:44.46 | Sary | lets not go off-topic here guys. |
| 18:44.51 | TechPingu | well let me put it this way |
| 18:45.01 | TechPingu | what do you intend to do with your computer |
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| 18:45.03 | TechPingu | what do you use it for |
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| 18:45.33 | b0rsuk | TechPingu: Home computer, hobby development, games. |
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| 18:45.51 | b0rsuk | I need new libc6 for some games. |
| 18:45.53 | TechPingu | go for stable |
| 18:46.18 | b0rsuk | Last time I checked, it's virtually impossible to get new libc6 in stable. |
| 18:46.26 | SaveTheRobots | b0rsuk: "stable" is relative, testing isn't exactlybleeding edge, and they're all package that have been released by their upstream vendors, so they cant be *that* unstable |
| 18:47.03 | TechPingu | you have no real need for testing, expect for one library |
| 18:47.06 | SaveTheRobots | b0rsuk: i'm running libc6 from testing on wheeezy (crunchbang) |
| 18:47.15 | TechPingu | that you can easily wait for or run it on stable |
| 18:47.15 | SaveTheRobots | it's far from recommended, but it's possible |
| 18:47.18 | b0rsuk | SaveTheRobots: Backports ? |
| 18:47.20 | mumpitze1 | b0rsuk: I doubt that, but it shows you what a shitty distro ubuntu is. |
| 18:47.23 | Sary | jessie is preety much Very stable, at least in my experience. |
| 18:47.42 | mumpitze1 | then you lack a lot of experience |
| 18:47.45 | SaveTheRobots | b0rsuk: nope, testing package on wheezy via apt-pinning |
| 18:47.58 | Strogg | 'lo 'lo |
| 18:48.01 | b0rsuk | SaveTheRobots: So what's your libc6 ? |
| 18:48.04 | mumpitze1 | Sary: and you need to learn what stable means with debian |
| 18:48.14 | Sary | mumpitze1: like what! |
| 18:48.18 | SaveTheRobots | b0rsuk: 2.17-93 |
| 18:48.25 | mumpitze1 | !frankendebian |
| 18:48.25 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 18:48.52 | mumpitze1 | b0rsuk: no one here will support a wheezy/jessie mix |
| 18:48.59 | TechPingu | agreed |
| 18:49.05 | TechPingu | it's simply a bad idea |
| 18:49.21 | b0rsuk | Then I'll try to install Wheezy and upgrade to Jessie. |
| 18:49.32 | Strogg | I've got a system that used to have the nvidia drivers, but then I switched to the nouveau drivers. Everything is working great, except for GL. when I try to load the glx module in xorg.conf, it fails, because there's some hidden nvidia cruft somewhere on my system. |
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| 18:50.01 | mumpitze1 | Strogg: how did you install it? via .debs from debian or via nvidia installer from nvidia.com? |
| 18:50.03 | Strogg | dpkg -L xserver-xorg-core gives me this line... "/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so \n diverted by libglx-nvidia-alternatives to: /usr/lib/nvidia/diversions/libglx.so" |
| 18:50.04 | dpkg | ii xserver-xorg-core gives me this line... "/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so \n diverted by libglx-nvidia-alternatives to: /usr/lib/nvidia/diversions/libglx.so" 3.1-3 strogg's private porn collection |
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| 18:50.32 | mumpitze1 | Strogg: then uninstall all packages with the string "nvidia" in them |
| 18:50.36 | Sary | Strogg: purge them. |
| 18:50.39 | Strogg | mumpitze1: it was a while ago.. I want to say I used the debs, but probably downloaded afterwards |
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| 18:50.58 | mumpitze1 | Strogg: dpkg -l |grep nvidia pastebin the output |
| 18:50.59 | Strogg | mumpitze1: Sary: I've checked. dpkg -l has nothing nvidia left |
| 18:51.09 | b0rsuk | Boo, I can't join #debian-next . I must be invited. |
| 18:51.28 | mumpitze1 | Strogg: even when uninstalled, it has something left |
| 18:51.29 | Strogg | dpkg -l | grep nvid => nothing |
| 18:51.29 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep nvid => nothing |
| 18:51.38 | mumpitze1 | b0rsuk: irc.oftc.net, not on freenode |
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| 18:51.52 | Strogg | mumpitze1: how do I get rid of the diversion? |
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| 18:52.07 | DanielDiaz | hi there! Straight to the point... I want to install Hamachi but it requires libc6-dev, which is in the unstable branch. What should I do? Thank you! |
| 18:52.16 | DanielDiaz | I mean... 2.14 |
| 18:52.16 | Strogg | or force it back to the original. I've tried playing around with alternatives.. with no luck there |
| 18:52.17 | mumpitze1 | Strogg: reinstall the xorg packages? |
| 18:52.28 | mumpitze1 | ,v libc6-dev |
| 18:52.29 | judd | Package: libc6-dev on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38; jessie: 2.17-93; sid: 2.17-93 |
| 18:52.32 | Strogg | mumpitze1: dpkg-reconfigure -p low xserver-xorg-core ? |
| 18:52.39 | mumpitze1 | DanielDiaz: see how every debian branch has the package? |
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| 18:53.00 | DanielDiaz | mumpitze1: read my next line! I forgot to mention the version! |
| 18:53.03 | mumpitze1 | DanielDiaz: what debian are you running exactly? |
| 18:53.04 | DanielDiaz | :) |
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| 18:53.16 | DanielDiaz | wheezy |
| 18:53.21 | mumpitze1 | DanielDiaz: that is not true |
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| 18:54.31 | mumpitze1 | DanielDiaz: you can maybe get your libc6-dev from snapshot.debian.net, but you certainly don't run wheezy |
| 18:54.58 | DanielDiaz | mumpitze1: ok... teach me how to check it. |
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| 18:55.06 | mumpitze1 | check what? |
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| 18:55.21 | DanielDiaz | what's my exact Debian version? |
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| 18:55.24 | VVG356 | Oh well, I ended up copying 'linux' and 'initrd.gz' from 'mini.iso' onto my USB drive, and making syslinux boot using those, and it's working now |
| 18:55.27 | mumpitze1 | !frankendebian |
| 18:55.27 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 18:55.45 | MrMonkey311 | ZOMG |
| 18:56.00 | mumpitze1 | that is. I can't know what mess you made and I don't want to know. but it's not wheezy anymore: you replaced the most important shared lib on your system with something from sid probably |
| 18:56.08 | MrMonkey311 | uh sry I paniced |
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| 18:56.19 | DanielDiaz | mumpitze1: I didn't ... yet |
| 18:56.42 | mumpitze1 | DanielDiaz: either you run libc6 2.14 or you run wheezy. both things cannot be true |
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| 18:57.13 | DanielDiaz | mumpitze1: right. Either I can run my Hamachi network or I run whatever thing.... I still prefer the mess. |
| 18:57.23 | DanielDiaz | as long as it works |
| 18:57.37 | mumpitze1 | that's the point. it sooner or later will not anymore |
| 18:57.44 | b0rsuk | I seem to be connected to both freenode and irc.oftc.net . What's the irssi command to join #debian-next on oftc ? |
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| 18:57.55 | VVG356 | nice term, what triggers does the dpkg bot have? |
| 18:57.56 | mumpitze1 | and I also told you how you can continue to run your mess until it blows up. good luck |
| 18:57.59 | Strogg | grr... diverted by libglx-nvidia-alternatives to: /usr/lib/nvidia/diversions/libglx.so |
| 18:58.07 | mumpitze1 | b0rsuk: ctrl+x in window 0 |
| 18:58.08 | SaveTheRobots | b0rsuk: ctrl+x to switch your active netwoork in irssi |
| 18:58.15 | Lope | am I missing something? at what point do you specify a password??? http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-encrypt-directories-partitions-with-ecryptfs-on-debian-squeeze |
| 18:58.27 | mumpitze1 | Strogg: does the nvidia libglx.so exist? have you checked the pathname? |
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| 18:59.09 | Strogg | mumpitze1: it does, but it's not supposed to exist. I removed that package. Should I just rm the directory? |
| 18:59.27 | Strogg | hrmmm maybe it's leftover cruft from the bin install I may have done. |
| 18:59.45 | Strogg | how does dpkg even know that directory exists? |
| 18:59.49 | mumpitze1 | Strogg: dpkg -S /usr/lib/nvidia/diversions/libglx.so |
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| 19:00.00 | basic6_ | i'm trying to configure munin on debian wheezy but it dies with cant use undef as arrayref (http://paste.debian.net/57106), does anyone have experience with munin? |
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| 19:00.03 | d3xter_ | hey guys |
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| 19:01.01 | d3xter | i've got a problem. i've added a new addressbook to evolution and now evolution is prompting for the password all the time, but the buttons on the prompt doesnt do anything. i'm running latest gnome from testing. any hints? |
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| 19:03.12 | mumpitze1 | Strogg: as for how to stop the diversion: man dpkg-divert and /msg dpkg divert |
| 19:03.46 | tremon | Lope: there's so many things wrong there, I can't even begin. You're better off reading the man pages for pam_ecryptfs and ecryptfs-setup-private |
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| 19:04.28 | Strogg | mumpitze1: awesome, thanks |
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| 19:05.25 | b0rsuk | test |
| 19:05.38 | Strogg | restarts X to test. brb, maybe |
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| 19:08.22 | MrMonkey311 | ok I think I'm ready to ask this. if I'm a programmer, is it a common thing to be making my own .deb's? will doing that void my "warranty"? |
| 19:08.40 | mumpitze1 | some projects make their own .debs yes. and what warranty? |
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| 19:09.02 | tremon | your warranty was already voided the moment you clicked OK in the installer, don't worry about that |
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| 19:09.12 | MrMonkey311 | mumpitze1, I'm afraid !dpkg will yell at me next |
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| 19:09.19 | MrMonkey311 | ;-) |
| 19:09.21 | mumpitze1 | dpkg doesn't yell |
| 19:09.21 | dpkg | mumpitze1: bugger all, i dunno |
| 19:09.30 | mumpitze1 | see? very civilized our dpkg |
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| 19:09.34 | jelly-home | !warranty |
| 19:09.34 | dpkg | If you don't know for sure, it likely expires on or before 11:59PM, December 31, 1999, or if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces |
| 19:09.47 | mumpitze1 | there is a new maintainers guide which can help you with creating .debs. /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 19:10.28 | MrMonkey311 | mumpitze1, thankee! |
| 19:10.39 | Kobra | hey, does anyone have a link to a debian netinst image with propiatary drivers for wireless cards? |
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| 19:10.53 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Kobra about firmware images |
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| 19:11.58 | Kobra | jelly-home: thanks, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 19:12.08 | Kobra | google search with firmware got it |
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| 19:14.20 | Strogg | Ok.. things are looking more normal. |
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| 19:16.40 | Strogg | so.. one last weirdness to figure out. |
| 19:17.40 | Strogg | libglx.so is provided by xserver-xorg-core, which depends on libaudit1. libaudit1 provides libaudit.so.1, but libglx.so links to libaudit.so.0. What's the right way to fix this? |
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| 19:18.11 | Strogg | it should just work, since they all come from debian, but maybe it's because I've dist-upgraded a couple times. I'm running testing |
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| 19:23.41 | likemike | Why should i choose linux over any other NIX ? |
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| 19:23.50 | petern_ | Well that's up to you. |
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| 19:24.16 | rick79 | hi all |
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| 19:24.57 | rick79 | can anyone tell me why the wireless connection is being dropped on kali? i am using a compaq netbook |
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| 19:25.30 | owen1 | how to tell if i am on testing or stable? |
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| 19:25.40 | Sary | !kali |
| 19:25.41 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 19:25.48 | petern_ | Check your sources list |
| 19:25.51 | Sary | owen1: lsb_release -a |
| 19:26.08 | rick79 | ok.. thx |
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| 19:26.25 | beboj | Kali is next distro after backtrack? |
| 19:27.29 | mumpitze1 | !tell owen1 about debian suite |
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| 19:30.05 | owen1 | Sary: wheezy. so it's stable. how to upgade to 7.2? apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 19:30.32 | mumpitze1 | yes |
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| 19:33.17 | somiaj | owen1: apt-get upgrade would probabaly work too. |
| 19:33.28 | somiaj | (make sure you apt-get update first of course) (: |
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| 19:33.59 | Sary | owen1: you'd replace whezzy/stable with jessie in your sources.list , then run # sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade and apt-get autoclean |
| 19:34.02 | Sary | apt-get autoremove |
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| 19:34.28 | owen1 | Sary: replace wheezy with jessie? oh i didn't know that |
| 19:34.37 | Sary | then, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 19:34.58 | owen1 | also never heard of autoclean! |
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| 19:35.04 | mumpitze1 | owen1: if you put jessie in your don't run debian 7.2 but debian testing |
| 19:35.04 | zykotick9 | owen1: are you trying to get wheezy 7.2 or jessie? |
| 19:35.12 | mumpitze1 | Sary: what are you suggesting here? |
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| 19:35.52 | owen1 | wheezy 7.2 |
| 19:36.07 | mumpitze1 | owen1: then don't edit your sources.list in any way |
| 19:36.09 | zykotick9 | owen1: ignore Sary then. |
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| 19:36.46 | Sary | what is wheezy 7.2 ! just an update? |
| 19:37.06 | owen1 | ok. sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get autoclean ? |
| 19:37.13 | zykotick9 | Sary: yes, just dist-upgrade |
| 19:38.04 | somiaj | Sary: a collection of all the sercurity patches that have been applied to wheezy along with some bug fixes. |
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| 19:38.38 | th3pun15h3r | hey I was wondering if anyone else has setup playdeb with debian wheezy and if so what ubuntu repo did you use or is there another way? |
| 19:38.57 | owen1 | is dist-upgrade the same as sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get autoclean ? |
| 19:39.07 | rudi_s | owen1: No. man apt-get. |
| 19:39.10 | somiaj | th3pun15h3r: you don't want to use ubuntu repos. So don't think about that. (: |
| 19:39.19 | rudi_s | (It also removes packages when performing the upgrade.) |
| 19:39.31 | th3pun15h3r | ya I did that when I installed getdeb lol |
| 19:39.38 | somiaj | owen1: upgrade only upgrades packages that do not remove or install new packages. dist-upgrade upgrades all packages that could remove/install new packages |
| 19:39.38 | mumpitze1 | th3pun15h3r: if playdeb is the steam for linux thing, then you cannot. you must run jessie then |
| 19:39.41 | th3pun15h3r | is there a gaming repo though? |
| 19:39.48 | Sary | ah, alright! this is the 2nd time in a raw today that somenone seek after wheezy 7.2 and even asked for iso images!. |
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| 19:39.52 | mumpitze1 | th3pun15h3r: no |
| 19:40.17 | th3pun15h3r | no my intel graphics isnt support by the linux steam client sadly so thats out of the question. |
| 19:40.33 | owen1 | somiaj: got it |
| 19:40.34 | th3pun15h3r | I use desura for most but some games like urban terror dont work from desura |
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| 19:41.07 | th3pun15h3r | might see if i can find a djl client too. |
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| 19:41.50 | Sary | owen1: if you're after the last wheezy updates, then yes use the above apt-get commands without replacing wheezy with jessie in your sources.list . |
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| 19:42.28 | owen1 | Sary: i was thinking of apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get clean |
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| 19:46.22 | th3pun15h3r | thanks somiaj, and mumpitzel for the replied, ill just find the individual deb packages for the games i want to play that wont work on desura then i guess. |
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| 19:47.04 | valgrind | sup |
| 19:47.11 | Sary | owen1: in your case , i don't think you'll need dist-upgrade unless there are packages that will be kept back. |
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| 19:48.01 | Sary | owen1: #see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 |
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| 19:54.38 | owen1 | Sary: thanks |
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| 20:06.15 | Sary | owen1:you're welcome, excuse my confusion earlier!. |
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| 20:23.08 | Zeranoe | Is there a way to stop and start Debian's graphical display (Gnome I believe)? |
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| 20:30.42 | arisv | Zeranoe, ctrl+alt+f1? and them back with startx? is this what you want to do? |
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| 20:36.52 | unkmar | Zeranoe: alt+ctrl+f2 will give you a virtual terminal. From there you can run /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop; /etc/init.d/gdm3 start |
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| 20:39.32 | Zeranoe | unkmar: That will work, thanks |
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| 20:46.41 | zykotick9 | Zeranoe: (assuming you are using GDM) then "service gdm3 stop" would be the real answer... |
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| 20:48.16 | Zeranoe | zykotick9: Why not /etc/init.d/gdm3 method? |
| 20:48.30 | zykotick9 | Zeranoe: that would work too |
| 20:48.59 | biberao | hi |
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| 20:54.31 | unkmar | Zeranoe: service is the new way. /etc/init.d is the old way. And clearly listable/searchable to see what services exists and can be start/stop/restarted. |
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| 20:54.51 | unkmar | I'm sure service has an equivelant that I haven't learned yet. |
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| 20:57.20 | shinyPebble | hi, i just installed debian jessie, and have noticed that it's backported my icedove to icedove 10 |
| 20:57.53 | shinyPebble | i noticed here http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/icedove.html that "testing" is actually older than stable |
| 20:57.55 | shinyPebble | how can that be |
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| 20:58.19 | shinyPebble | it seems to be broken for me with enigmail n ow |
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| 20:59.54 | brontosaurusrex | maybe you were using backports with wheezy shinyPebble < at least thats the only thing that comes to mind ... |
| 21:00.04 | shinyPebble | yeah possibly. |
| 21:00.10 | shinyPebble | but that's not available for jessie is it? |
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| 21:02.44 | Sary | !icedove |
| 21:02.44 | dpkg | Icedove is a DFSG-free fork of Mozilla Thunderbird, a cross-platform email client, replacing Thunderbird in Debian as of 5.0 "Lenny". Debian is unable to distribute Mozilla Thunderbird as-is due to trademark restrictions, see <why icedove>. Since July 2013, Icedove in Debian <stable> is based on the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. For help with upstream issues, ask #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org. http://wiki.debian.org/Icedove |
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| 21:03.04 | Sary | ,version icedove |
| 21:03.05 | judd | Package: icedove on i386 -- squeeze: 3.0.11-1+squeeze15; squeeze-security: 3.0.11-1+squeeze15; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12-1~bpo60+1; jessie: 10.0.12-1; wheezy: 10.0.12-1; wheezy-security: 17.0.9-1~deb7u1; sid: 17.0.9-2; experimental: 24.0~b3-2 |
| 21:03.24 | shinyPebble | yeah but isn't jessie newer than wheezy |
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| 21:03.40 | shinyPebble | why does it have an older package than wheezy |
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| 21:15.00 | MellySquire | hi guys, do i have install open ldap first or samba? |
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| 21:21.12 | redder | does debian xfce have any power saving features for netbooks? like cutting processor speed in half when the battery is unplugged |
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| 21:25.13 | Strogg | 'lo 'lo |
| 21:25.44 | Strogg | Can anyone tell me where to find libaudit.so.0? it's not from libaudit1 (that has libaudit.so.1), and apt-file can't find it |
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| 21:26.00 | Strogg | the libglx.so from xserver-xorg-core links to it |
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| 21:27.32 | Sevet | Strogg: it's in libaudit0, which is a dependancy of xserver-xorg-core |
| 21:27.45 | Sevet | are you mixing packages from different releases? |
| 21:27.58 | Strogg | Sevet: not as far as I know.. I only have testing in my apt sources |
| 21:28.14 | Sevet | when did you install your system? |
| 21:28.32 | Strogg | I installed the nvidia bin from their site a long time, but I think I purged all of it |
| 21:28.51 | Strogg | Sevet: a long time ago.. I dist-upgrade between versions more often that I install new |
| 21:28.59 | Sevet | my guess is you installed your system when wheezy was testing, while it's now jessie... |
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| 21:29.36 | Strogg | Sevet: I've done a dist-upgrade.. what else is there that needs to be done? |
| 21:29.37 | Sevet | looks like you have xserver-xorg-core installed from wheezy although you'll be running jessie now |
| 21:30.08 | Sevet | do apt-get upgrade too |
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| 21:30.37 | Strogg | apt-get update? or apt-get upgrade? any params? |
| 21:31.37 | Sevet | both |
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| 21:32.14 | Sevet | 'update' updates your package index, 'upgrade' installs new versions of installed packages, 'dist-upgrade' installs new packages in the release |
| 21:32.15 | Strogg | apt-get update done.. apt-get upgrade warns about chrome and libboost-dev beind held back |
| 21:32.17 | Sevet | do all three |
| 21:32.38 | Strogg | apt-get dist-upgrade has the same warning, but everything else is up to date |
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| 21:33.03 | Sevet | just downloaded xserver-xorg-core and confirmed it links in jessie against libaudit.so.1... so it is indeed that you have an old package installed |
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| 21:33.17 | Strogg | hrmmmmm |
| 21:33.28 | Sevet | 'dpkg -l xserver-xorg-core' should show you have 1.14.3-4 installed |
| 21:34.00 | Strogg | ii xserver-xorg-core 2:1.14.3-4 i386 Xorg X server - core server |
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| 21:35.14 | Strogg | hrmmmmmm |
| 21:35.23 | Strogg | uninstalls xserver-xorg-core |
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| 21:37.16 | Strogg | ah! there we go |
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| 21:37.52 | Strogg | Sevet: I think my libglx wasn't owned by a deb, so it was getting left in the directory.. and then when I isntalled xorg, it didn't overwrite what was there before |
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| 21:38.00 | Strogg | the version now links to libaudit1 |
| 21:38.10 | Strogg | ok.. lemme restart X and see if this works now |
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| 21:40.30 | Strogg | Woot! it works! :) |
| 21:40.38 | Strogg | Sevet: Thanks for the nudge in the right direction. :) |
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| 21:51.42 | quinso | If I manually backport a package from sid for myself using apt-get source packagename, is there a way to know when there are updates in that package? |
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| 22:06.42 | owen1 | how to tell evince where my firefox is installed? i tried: 'sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/x-www-browser x-www-browser /usr/bin/firefox 100' but i still get this: 'Failed to execute child process "/opt/firefox19/firefox"' |
| 22:06.55 | MellySquire | hi guys i found this old guide http://www.unixmen.com/standalone-samba-in-debian-squeeze/\ |
| 22:07.06 | MellySquire | but i cant seem to find the new one |
| 22:07.09 | MellySquire | i'm using debian 7 |
| 22:07.36 | MellySquire | can anyone tell me which manual or guide to follow to install samba and popenldap? |
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| 22:09.55 | quinso | Some time ago I saw an article on debian wiki about how to backport a signel package from testing/sid to stable but now I can't find it. Can anyone give me a link? |
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| 22:10.12 | Sary | MellySquire: https://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/OpenLDAPSetup ! |
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| 22:11.36 | Sary | MellySquire: and http://siddou.hd.free.fr/2013/06/install-sambaopenldap-on-debian-7-wheezy/ |
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| 22:16.04 | sweb | sendmail not working during using php-fpm via nginx |
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| 22:17.52 | sea` | Hi all, the amd64 netinstall bittorertrernt link for dbeibandebian 7.1.0 is missingr fromh thehe website. |
| 22:18.22 | sea` | net-install*, bit-torrent*, *Debian, missing*, the*, website* |
| 22:18.25 | Sary | quinso: 1st, i'd look at http://backports.debian.org/ , https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable , and http://linuxaria.com/howto/how-to-install-a-single-package-from-debian-sid-or-debian-testing?lang=en |
| 22:18.55 | sea` | I mean, the link is there, but there's a "not found" error when one tries to get at the file that it should point to. |
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| 22:19.13 | Sary | sea`: true. |
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| 22:19.31 | sea` | Where can I find the file if not there? |
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| 22:20.08 | sea` | Oh, nevermind, I suppose that I can grab it directly. |
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| 22:27.38 | crass | not sure if this is the right chan, but is there a way to override the distro series in the debian/changelog when using dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 22:27.54 | crass | I could just manually edit the file, but I suspect there's another way |
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| 22:43.19 | deepy | I have 2GB of data on a USB stick with 12GB of unused space, can I dd this somehow onto my empty partition? it's 4GB in sixe :P |
| 22:43.22 | LordThumper | Is OpenVPN package retrieved through apt-get the community edition? |
| 22:43.22 | deepy | size* |
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| 22:50.51 | jhutchins | deepy: what do you want to copy onto the empty partition? Where is the target? |
| 22:51.10 | deepy | I have an install on my usb stick that I want to move to my partition |
| 22:51.23 | deepy | but I can't just use dd becuase there's 12GB of unused space that's also transferrred |
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| 22:52.08 | jhutchins | deepy: This is an installation of debian (or something)? Or is it the installer. |
| 22:52.21 | deepy | one stick is a debian install, one stick is a chromium install |
| 22:52.52 | jhutchins | deepy: dd isn't the right tool for this. You could use cp, but I would use rsync. |
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| 22:54.04 | jhutchins | deepy: Then again, if you want to have these installations bootable, you might put them each on their own partition. |
| 22:54.25 | jhutchins | deepy: I don't know what kind of filesystem chromium uses or if grub can boot to it. |
| 22:54.29 | deepy | That is the thing, I WANT to put them each on their own partiton, I have an empty partition on my harddrive for each of them |
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| 22:55.10 | jhutchins | deepy: use rsync for the debian, and if the chromium uses a filesystem that linux recognizes that'll work too. |
| 22:55.59 | jhutchins | deepy: I think partimage has an option to not copy empty blocks, but I'm not sure; I've only used it through clonezilla. |
| 22:56.43 | jhutchins | LordThumper: afik openvpn is openvpn. |
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| 23:07.09 | dokma | why does this NOT forward a port on Debian: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 42286 -j DNAT --to-destination 10.0.0.2:42286 |
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| 23:07.49 | dokma | 10.0.0.2 runs a web server on 42286 which does load on http://10.0.0.2 |
| 23:07.54 | dokma | but not on localhost:42286 |
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| 23:09.56 | dokma | 10.0.0.2 is android phone connected to localhost via ppp |
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| 23:26.28 | patriku | dokma: The last sentence saying about connecting your phone to localhost is said very weird and I think you dont understand what localhost is. I am sorry if otherwise. Where do you try to connect ? Do you try to connect to your webserver on your phone from other computer ? |
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| 23:47.20 | qwoox | hello guys, can you maybe tell me why my kernel compilation just aborts without error (just error 2) message at built-in.o when i try to compile with make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers ?? |
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| 23:50.34 | qwoox | it just ends up like this: http://i.imgur.com/krBHM9M.png |
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