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| 00:03.04 | ikari | brachiation: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 00:03.41 | jiohdi | everyone recommends a clean install over upgrading, but I have upgraded without incident |
| 00:04.25 | jiohdi | brachiation, for jessie, you get wheezy and then dist-upgrade to testing |
| 00:05.20 | brachiation | i prefer clean install myself. but does the testing image that ikari linked contain wheezy or jessie? |
| 00:05.32 | ikari | brachiation: jessie |
| 00:05.35 | brachiation | i would hate to install a pre-release version of Wheezy. |
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| 00:05.48 | brachiation | ikari: thank you |
| 00:05.49 | ikari | brachiation: From the page: "All images linked below are for the version of Debian Installer being developed for the next Debian release and will install Debian testing (jessie) by default. |
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| 00:06.26 | jiohdi | no matter which image, once you do update and upgrade it will make it current testing = jessie |
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| 00:09.00 | ikari | jiohdi: Well, after you change your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:09.22 | jiohdi | a testing image should already have sources.list with testing |
| 00:09.59 | ikari | jiohdi: sorry, it seemed that you were implying "no matter which image" not, "no matter which testing image". |
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| 00:10.31 | jiohdi | ikari, sorry, i was assuming we were talking about testing images |
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| 00:17.49 | tootpick | what multi-protocol client do you guys recommend? |
| 00:18.42 | ikari | tootpick: IM client? |
| 00:18.47 | tootpick | yes |
| 00:19.04 | tootpick | I'm presently using Xchat for irc. But I haven't found if there is gtalk protocol for it |
| 00:19.18 | ikari | pidgin if you need a GUI. irssi+bitlbee is my preference. |
| 00:19.32 | tootpick | yes i prefer gui |
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| 00:20.11 | ikari | tootpick: you could keep using xchat with bitlbee to support other protocols |
| 00:21.16 | tootpick | ikari, thank you can you help me setup bitlbee? |
| 00:21.21 | ikari | tootpick: keep in mind, as you look around, that gtalk is just xmpp |
| 00:21.26 | ikari | tootpick: No. |
| 00:21.35 | tootpick | ikari: oh |
| 00:21.41 | tootpick | ikari, why :) |
| 00:22.51 | ikari | tootpick: apt-get install bitlbee && w3m "http://www.bitlbee.org/main.php/extdoc.html" |
| 00:22.57 | ikari | tootpick: You can't afford my rates. |
| 00:23.38 | tootpick | you'd be surprised. :) |
| 00:23.49 | tootpick | so it's just apt-get install away |
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| 00:27.18 | ikari | tootpick: Sorry, I am a stickler for RTFM. Also, I am at work right now. |
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| 00:28.08 | tootpick | ikari, alright. what is rtfm? lol |
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| 00:28.47 | LtL | tootpick: read the f'ing manual. how you doimng bro |
| 00:28.49 | ikari | tootpick: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rtfm |
| 00:28.51 | ikari | tootpick: ;) |
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| 00:31.16 | tootpick | ikari, ah ok. you mean just read it up |
| 00:31.19 | tootpick | lol |
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| 00:50.18 | volume_8 | Hi. I plugged a VGA screen to my laptop. |
| 00:50.25 | volume_8 | Then I did 'xrandr --output VGA1 --auto' |
| 00:50.31 | volume_8 | the display is scaled nicely in my screen |
| 00:50.37 | volume_8 | but the fonts in my terminal look weird in the VGA |
| 00:50.44 | volume_8 | they look faint and non-antialized |
| 00:50.50 | volume_8 | but they look fine in the normal screen of the laptop |
| 00:50.59 | volume_8 | what is goign wrong? |
| 00:51.44 | tootpick | can anyone help me troubleshoot gnome3 shutdown problem |
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| 00:52.00 | tootpick | gdm3 fails to shutdown the sesssion upon restart/poweroff |
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| 00:55.31 | poorrick | Alright, this is getting frustrating. |
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| 00:56.04 | poorrick | Can anyone direct me to or tell me a solution to the "depends but not going to be installed" problem |
| 00:56.12 | poorrick | I'm not upgrading to testing |
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| 00:59.47 | LtL | poorrick: you could try `aptitude why-not <program-name>` |
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| 01:00.41 | tootpick | volume for each application does not show up in sound settings. anyone have ideas? |
| 01:01.18 | poorrick | LtL: unable to find a reason to remove ia32-libs-i386? |
| 01:02.14 | LtL | poorrick: what are you trying to do in particular? |
| 01:02.15 | tootpick | LtL: !LtL |
| 01:02.27 | LtL | tootpick: yo man :) |
| 01:02.52 | tootpick | LtL: Hey ! u been ignoring me lol ;) |
| 01:03.12 | LtL | tootpick: no i've not, i've been /away. sorry |
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| 01:03.42 | tootpick | LtL: ah no worries :). i have been able to make several boo boos to my debian while u were away. all in attempt to learn more |
| 01:04.01 | poorrick | LtL: I'm trying to install ia32-libs, it depends on ia32-libs-i386. I try to install ia32-libs-i386 and it spits out all sorts of stuff that won't be installed |
| 01:04.08 | LtL | tootpick: no pain .. no gain as they say ;) |
| 01:04.31 | tootpick | LtL: that made me feel good for some reason lol |
| 01:05.06 | tootpick | LtL: I just managed to somehow break gnome application sound manager. Where you can control volume for each application.. No apps shows up there now |
| 01:05.11 | LtL | poorrick: have you added the i386 architecture? I'm not familiar with multi-arch so i'm not much help. |
| 01:05.37 | poorrick | LtL: yyyep |
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| 01:08.58 | LtL | poorrick: if i were you i'd probably do a dist-upgrade, by in no way am i sure that will help you. i usually ignore those things, but again i'm not using wheezy. |
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| 01:10.51 | tootpick | i like wheezy so go for it poorrick |
| 01:11.12 | poorrick | I am using wheezy |
| 01:11.29 | tootpick | oh nevermind me then i just jumped in the conversation |
| 01:11.29 | poorrick | I'm not upgrading for sid |
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| 01:11.38 | poorrick | no way no how |
| 01:11.53 | tootpick | sid is unstable |
| 01:11.55 | tootpick | i don't recommend it |
| 01:12.06 | poorrick | neither do i |
| 01:12.16 | LtL | poorrick: are you sure your sources.list is in order, no squeeze repo's or anything in it |
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| 01:13.22 | poorrick | LtL: haven't changed it since i upgraded to wheezy |
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| 01:16.18 | LtL | poorrick: you probably need to do, `apt-get install libc6:i386` |
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| 01:21.21 | tootpick | Under gnome Sound Settings. Under Application tab, no applications are shown that are presently playing a sound. Any ideas why? |
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| 01:36.49 | dns42 | hey guys! |
| 01:36.52 | dns42 | hey guys, is there a way to define an alternative not permanently (using update-alternatives) but temporarily, just for a single session? |
| 01:37.40 | dns42 | that means, i want to have ruby 1.9.1 for a user session, but 1.8 for everyone else |
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| 01:50.54 | cafuego | nezZario: is that a pear or pecl lib? |
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| 01:51.44 | cafuego | nezZario: oh i see. it's in Sid - php 5.5 |
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| 01:53.26 | wwatters_ | I have just upgraded to Debian Wheezy and although the latest kernel is installed, grub doesn't see it. Advice? (i have installed grub2, and ran update-grub: no luck) |
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| 01:57.11 | sammy | I'd like to purge and reinstall a package that other packages depend on. I'm assuming I can tell apt to uninstall the package without the packages it depends on? I'm not sure how to use dpkg on installed packages but maybe I need to use it instead? |
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| 01:58.13 | cafuego | you can trash the config files by hand, then do a dpkg -i --force-confmiss foo.deb to reinstall the apckage and re-add the default config files. |
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| 02:03.47 | anton02 | centOS is to fedora as debian is to ubuntu. Would u rather centOS or ubuntu |
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| 02:07.00 | anton02 | i mean would you rather centOS or debian? |
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| 02:09.55 | wwatters_ | can someone please help me out? even after "apt-search linux-image", and finding that "linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64" is listed, if I type "apt-get install linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64" it confirms that it is already installed. But there is no initrd image for the kernel in /boot, and grub cannot see it. |
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| 02:10.38 | irinix | can anyone recommend a good interactive online C++ course. *preferably* free |
| 02:10.51 | wwatters_ | (see my earlier message: I have just upgraded to wheezy, but grub cannot see the new kernel; I seem to be running Wheezy with the old Squeeze kernel) |
| 02:11.16 | Th0masR0ss | irinix: try ##c++ |
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| 02:14.02 | sammy | cafuego: good idea, but lets say the bug report suggests I purge and reinstall the pacakge. I tried your method, but im having the same issue. I'm wondering if its not a dependency of the package I'm having an issue with that needs to be reinstalled :/ |
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| 02:26.00 | sammy | cafuego: if it wasn't ubuntu's update-manager having the issue, I'd poke around more in here, but the only packages dependant on it are other ubuntu packages, so I'm asking those folk :P when it's a .deb issue, I usually try here first. |
| 02:26.05 | sammy | thanks for the help though |
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| 02:28.27 | cafuego | shrugs. Using Ubuntu packages on Debian is asking for trouble. |
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| 02:30.20 | jiohdi | ubuntu is packages on debian |
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| 02:47.26 | m4k | I've a dell lap with i3, so which iso I choose 64 or 32 bit |
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| 02:49.31 | LtL | m4k: that is a 64bit processor, so i would go with amd64 |
| 02:49.58 | LtL | m4k: that is for intel also fyi |
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| 02:51.09 | m4k | Ant prbm using 32 bit |
| 02:51.23 | m4k | Any^ |
| 02:51.33 | LtL | m4k: no, you can use 32bit if you wish. |
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| 02:52.32 | m4k | What is the basis for choosing one |
| 02:53.58 | LtL | m4k: the only difference is you won't take advantage of the 64 bit bus word length using 32 bit. however wheezy has multiarch so you can run 32 bit apps on the 64bit kernel |
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| 02:55.08 | m4k | Ok. So use 32. It gives max performance?? |
| 02:55.48 | LtL | m4k: the 64 bit will utilize the processor to it fullest, the 32 bit will not. |
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| 02:56.56 | m4k | Which one is fast |
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| 02:57.39 | LtL | m4k: 64bit but you may not notice the difference |
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| 03:00.18 | m4k | Ok I got it |
| 03:00.24 | LtL | m4k: mathmatically 64 bit would be faster because it busses data in 64 word, so twice as much date as a 32 bit word length. |
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| 03:01.33 | LtL | m4k: on a i3 i5 i7 processor it would be best to run 64 bit because they are 64 bit cpu's |
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| 03:02.21 | m4k | Ok thank you LtL |
| 03:02.31 | LtL | m4k: you're welcome |
| 03:02.32 | llimeht | depending entirely on your workload |
| 03:02.54 | LtL | true |
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| 03:33.21 | mojom | hi, I have upgraded from wheezy and the new kernel doesn't work but the system seems to run fine on the old one. What kinds of problems can I expect running debian 7 with the old kernel, if any? |
| 03:34.26 | gnuvince | Quick question about ~/.xsession; can you use xset inside it? I have a line `xset b off` meant to disable X beeping, but it seems that line doesn't do anything, because when I open xterm and press backspace, my laptop beeps at me quite loudly. |
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| 04:43.07 | MrMonkey31 | I am wretched. I just want to know if I have to learn YUM or GIT today. my package eludes me. |
| 04:43.34 | MekkaGodzilla | learning git should be beneficial |
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| 04:45.00 | blahblarg | Vicissitude: thanks man, html5 works like a charm |
| 04:45.26 | james41382 | GregInChrist: go ahead. |
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| 04:45.40 | Vicissitude | blahblarg, any time :) |
| 04:45.58 | GregInChrist | I must not understand... What IP ? |
| 04:46.14 | james41382 | Vicissitude: I just installed dd-wrt firmware on my router a month ago or so and I noticed today people are trying to login to ssh so I'm thinking all the ports I see open from this side are also open from the other side (wan). |
| 04:46.16 | blahblarg | Vicissitude: its amazing what i can do with a 500mhz cpu and 256 mb of ram |
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| 04:46.44 | james41382 | GregInChrist: 71.197.239.106 |
| 04:47.05 | Vicissitude | james41382, you could nmaponline.com to see what ports are open from the outside and then take steps to resolve that |
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| 04:47.49 | Vicissitude | ah, scratch that. it seems gone now |
| 04:48.14 | james41382 | Vicissitude: I think if I use the ISP side IP of the router it's the same as connecting from outside? |
| 04:48.29 | Vicissitude | sounds about right to me |
| 04:48.38 | GregInChrist | james41382: Could not be opened server quit responding. |
| 04:48.47 | james41382 | Vicissitude: Okay so cool.. I can port scan myself? |
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| 04:49.07 | james41382 | GregInChrist: Can you try to connect via ssh? |
| 04:49.15 | Vicissitude | james41382, yeah, you can do that. |
| 04:49.47 | GregInChrist | Yea but not from my ipad give me a minute here |
| 04:49.52 | james41382 | Vicissitude: I'm still pretty green. =] |
| 04:50.00 | james41382 | GregInChrist: Thanks anyways I got it. |
| 04:50.25 | Vicissitude | james41382, http://nmap.online-domain-tools.com/ is the one I was thinking of before |
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| 04:52.07 | GregInChrist | ssh is open |
| 04:52.26 | GregInChrist | I don't have credentials but it is open. |
| 04:53.14 | james41382 | I asked some guy in #dd-wrt to port scan me and he got upset. |
| 04:53.22 | james41382 | heh. |
| 04:53.23 | MrMonkey31 | MekkaGodzilla, thanks. I'll plunk at that for a while |
| 04:53.32 | james41382 | Apparently it's bad IRC etiquette. |
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| 04:54.45 | GregInChrist | Why? |
| 04:54.50 | MekkaGodzilla | I'm not a developper, but I do use git to keep track of config files and some wordpress projects. It can be extremely convenient |
| 04:55.32 | james41382 | I'm a CS student and I've heard people say it's something you should be familiar with as it's used quite commonly for jobs related to programming. |
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| 05:11.37 | Carlitos__ | hi all |
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| 05:12.02 | Carlitos__ | any help about grub rescue ? I get this error http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDLpJqPGh8A |
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| 05:22.57 | blahblarg | so I want to install a package (minitube) that has versions in testing and unstable - to wheezy. Can i do this or must i build from source |
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| 05:27.56 | andkore | How do I control which brightness /sys/class/backlight/*/brightness file xbacklight modifies? Currently it's changing the wrong one... |
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| 05:29.39 | blahblarg | Vicissitude: i cant get minitube to install on debian there is no package for wheezy |
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| 05:31.19 | rozie | blahblarg: you can try to install version from testing, but probably dependencies won't allow that |
| 05:32.07 | blahblarg | rozie: yep. so i have no options? |
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| 05:32.23 | rozie | you can also can try to grab sources and build wheezy package. if you are lucky, it's just dpkg-buildpackage |
| 05:32.43 | rozie | but sometimes things get more difficult |
| 05:32.57 | blahblarg | rozie: but I cant install some of those deps. so that wouldnt fix things right? |
| 05:34.39 | rozie | rather not. sometimes software (most functions at least) works fine without dependencies met |
| 05:34.52 | rozie | but that's not recommended solution |
| 05:35.12 | rozie | BTW why do you use stable on desktop? |
| 05:36.25 | blahblarg | rozie: I thuoght that sece wheezy was just relaised that it would be up to date? what do you recommend for a desktop |
| 05:36.34 | rozie | http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/12/20/5-reasons-why-debian-unstable-does-not-deserve-its-name/ |
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| 05:37.08 | rozie | of course unstable sometimes breaks |
| 05:37.31 | rozie | there used to be backports, but see no backports for wheezy |
| 05:38.06 | blahblarg | so debian is mroe like unstable? |
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| 05:38.33 | rozie | and on pure stable on desktop you don't get all required security fixes (browsers) |
| 05:39.40 | blahblarg | rozie: so i thought stable was more secure?!?! |
| 05:39.41 | rozie | blahblarg: it depends. stable is... stable. but some software is missing and you probably will miss newer versions of apps in a year or so |
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| 05:40.38 | blahblarg | rozie: so things like icemeasle in stable isnt secure now in stable? |
| 05:40.50 | rozie | https://lwn.net/Articles/552920/ |
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| 05:41.40 | rozie | you have backports here http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 05:41.58 | rozie | it's official Debian devteam. but not official repository |
| 05:42.14 | rozie | s/official/basic/ |
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| 05:43.03 | blahblarg | rozie: i thuoght they did security updates and stuff at least |
| 05:44.49 | rozie | they did |
| 05:44.55 | rozie | it has changed |
| 05:44.57 | rozie | https://lwn.net/Articles/552722/ |
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| 06:01.10 | blahblarg | rozie: that is wack as hell |
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| 06:01.19 | blahblarg | rozie: they shuold do more to publizie that |
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| 06:06.01 | reavengrey | You are all going to die one day |
| 06:06.28 | reavengrey | You can resume whatever you were doing now |
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| 06:24.56 | OneBraveHog | can begin transfer now. |
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| 06:35.04 | suppy | i found it , noeject parameter :) |
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| 06:48.01 | Samul | hi all |
| 06:49.04 | Samul | I've to copy a lot of images and subdirectories from a web directory to a local directory. I tried with wget but it gets only index file, not images, subdirectories and images into subdirectories. How can I do that? |
| 06:49.20 | aypea[1] | wget --help |
| 06:49.25 | aypea[1] | should be a mirror option |
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| 06:50.18 | Samul | OK thanks |
| 06:50.21 | Samul | I'll try |
| 06:50.29 | aypea[1] | you might also want the no parent one lest you suck down the entire internet. ;) |
| 06:50.42 | Samul | LOL |
| 06:50.58 | blahblarg | Vicissitude: can you show me how to use youtubedl-py? how can I make it download the lowest quailty option |
| 06:51.26 | aypea[1] | blah: get a list of available formats then select one of those. |
| 06:51.41 | aypea[1] | can't remember the options but --help should be obviousish. |
| 06:51.45 | Samul | OMG there are approximately 80 options |
| 06:51.47 | blahblarg | aypea[1]: what command is that? i tried -f and it says no format is acabile.. |
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| 06:51.54 | Samul | (and I must read all) :( |
| 06:52.16 | aypea[1] | blah: -F then -f when you picked one :) |
| 06:52.56 | blahblarg | aypea[1]: thx |
| 06:53.50 | james41382 | This is what I like to call persistance... http://paste.debian.net/36348/ |
| 06:54.54 | Samul | aypea[1]: I didn't find the option I want to use |
| 06:54.59 | Samul | what should I do? |
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| 06:55.28 | Samul | images I must download are approximately 1500, I'd exclude downloading 'em one for one |
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| 06:56.10 | aypea[1] | samul: what's wrong with the mirror option? |
| 06:56.18 | Samul | ? |
| 06:56.44 | Samul | perhaps I didn't understand |
| 06:57.05 | Samul | what did I have to search in wget --help ? |
| 06:57.32 | aypea[1] | the word 'mirror' :) |
| 06:57.54 | Samul | Ohh |
| 06:58.05 | Samul | I definitely didn't understand |
| 06:58.14 | Samul | I'm going to search that work |
| 06:58.16 | Samul | *word |
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| 06:59.20 | Samul | samul@SamsungRC530:~/URL[...]$ wget --help | grep mirror |
| 06:59.20 | Samul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:59.55 | rryoumaa | my trackball seems to be unrecognized almost all of the time. how do i debug this? |
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| 07:00.06 | rryoumaa | i have a mouse and a trackball |
| 07:00.10 | rryoumaa | the mouse works fine |
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| 07:01.53 | Samul | aypea[1]: it didn't download images |
| 07:02.00 | Samul | only index and robots.txt |
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| 07:02.22 | aypea[1] | ahhh. :) |
| 07:02.54 | Samul | heh |
| 07:02.59 | Samul | how can I download images? |
| 07:03.04 | aypea[1] | robots.txt is stopping you most likely |
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| 07:03.34 | Samul | ooh, strange |
| 07:03.44 | Samul | let me understand |
| 07:03.52 | Samul | I must download 1500 images one for one?! |
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| 07:03.57 | aypea[1] | ok. man wget and search for robots :) |
| 07:04.11 | aypea[1] | it'll tell you about it and how to get wget to ignore it |
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| 07:04.35 | Samul | OK |
| 07:05.56 | Samul | Wget can be instructed to convert the links in |
| 07:05.57 | Samul | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.57 | Samul | I think the problem is that it download the index that points at the images, but I must have the "phisical" images |
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| 07:18.45 | bullgard4 | The bash script /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server includes at the beginning a comment section parenthesized by the lines ' ### BEGIN INIT INFO' and '### END INIT INFO'. Where is this format explained in greater detail? |
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| 07:24.35 | rryoumaa | wrt trackball, it is usb, and i have log files with some errors. including "mtp-probe: bus: 1, device: 51 was not an MTP device" |
| 07:25.00 | somiaj | rryoumaa: you could try lsusb, get the usbid or chipset to look it up on google. |
| 07:25.35 | rryoumaa | so i look up 047d:1015? ok, thanks. |
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| 07:38.24 | brachiation | i think there is a bug with the Jessie installer. |
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| 07:39.14 | brachiation | if you check the backports option when configuring APT, it seems to always fail at connecting to the repository, no matter what mirror i select. if i leave backports unchecked, it works fine. |
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| 07:41.09 | jelly-home | bullgard4: https://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts http://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/LSB_3.1.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/initscrcomconv.html |
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| 07:51.31 | Samul | Hi. I've just installed preload and I'd like to know if it will start automatically when the computer power-on |
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| 07:52.28 | vlt | Hello. Which xserver pkg might be missing when I get error messages about missing a "xv adaptor for this display"? |
| 07:52.37 | vlt | How to find out which driver is used currently? |
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| 08:04.20 | _p0g0_ | try lshw |
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| 08:05.12 | _p0g0_ | lshw -html will print out a nice hierarchical display of the devices detected and the modules controlling them ...and any missing ones |
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| 08:05.49 | _p0g0_ | ...into an html file |
| 08:07.26 | somiaj | vlt: what video card (lspci -vv ise useful) |
| 08:07.41 | somiaj | vlt: also check /var/log/Xorg.0.log, you could be using a driver for x with no xv support |
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| 08:09.13 | blahblarg | can anyone recommend some fun games that can run on a 500mhz processor |
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| 08:15.04 | somiaj | blahblarg: what do you consider fun, the old rogue like games can be time consuming. |
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| 08:25.34 | Joey1 | hi! |
| 08:25.46 | vlt | I pasted Xorg.0.log here: http://paste.debian.net/36372/ |
| 08:25.48 | vlt | somiaj: ^ |
| 08:26.07 | vlt | The video card on the machine I'm testing now is a "Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS780M/RS780MN [Mobility Radeon HD 3200 Graphics]" |
| 08:26.23 | Joey1 | hi, I have a problem with LMDE reposotories. Can anybody help? |
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| 08:26.40 | vlt | !details | Joey1 |
| 08:27.17 | Joey1 | cannot install pgms, e.g. orage etc. it says cannot find it. |
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| 08:28.48 | somiaj | vlt: I see errors about KMS missing and DRI disabled in there...not sure how to fix off the top of my head |
| 08:29.06 | somiaj | Joey1: LMDE repos? Those dont' sound like offical (thus supported) debian repos |
| 08:29.29 | somiaj | Joey1: oh sounds like youa re using mint |
| 08:29.31 | somiaj | !mint |
| 08:29.31 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 08:30.06 | Joey1 | I think many servers can not be updated. I have tried lmde-mirror-fr-1.wedrop.it, linux-mint-froonix.org and linuxmint.com. |
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| 08:30.35 | somiaj | Joey1: you did not listen, we do not support mint and do not know how the repos work. Go ask them |
| 08:30.37 | Joey1 | yes, guys, Mint is not debian based, but LMDE yes: it is Linux Min Debian Edition. |
| 08:30.54 | somiaj | it is still not debian, and debian does not control or set up their repos |
| 08:31.17 | Joey1 | Ok, I understand. Dou you know where to ask? |
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| 08:31.35 | somiaj | did you read the blob I pasted you from dpkg, it desribed all of that |
| 08:32.32 | Joey1 | excuse me, still searching what you have pasted (I am new here). oh yes, now i see: |
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| 08:32.41 | Joey1 | thank you somiay! |
| 08:33.01 | somiaj | Joey1: your welcome, (: |
| 08:33.05 | somiaj | you're |
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| 08:34.18 | Joey1 | bye |
| 08:36.03 | vlt | somiaj: Could there be a conf file somewhere in my system that I could try to delete and restart? |
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| 08:37.01 | somiaj | vlt: not sure, I know you need linux-firmware-nonfree to get full features of the radeon driver, but I doubt that is your issue |
| 08:37.19 | somiaj | vlt: I think you need to kms module for radeon, not sure why that didn't load at boot. Do you use a custom framebuffer? |
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| 08:38.21 | vlt | somiaj: Then maybe I nee the dkms pkg, right? |
| 08:38.24 | vlt | *need |
| 08:38.34 | somiaj | vlt: nope, that is for the nonfree driver |
| 08:38.42 | somiaj | vlt: unless that is the driver you want |
| 08:38.45 | vlt | hmmm |
| 08:38.52 | somiaj | vlt: lsmod | grep radeon -- do you see a module there? |
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| 08:39.04 | vlt | Yes |
| 08:39.24 | vlt | And drm_kms_helper for example |
| 08:39.30 | somiaj | vlt: grep modeset /etc/modprobe.d/* |
| 08:40.08 | vlt | "options radeon modeset=1" |
| 08:40.43 | somiaj | and you have the xserver-xorg-video-radeon package I'm assuming. So I don't see why Xorg isn't liking it |
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| 08:43.41 | somiaj | vlt: do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? |
| 08:44.01 | vlt | No |
| 08:44.11 | vlt | And the pkg is installed, yes. |
| 08:44.35 | somiaj | vlt: lsmod | grep drm (any module loaded)? |
| 08:45.04 | vlt | somiaj: Yes, drm, and drm_kms_helper |
| 08:45.20 | vlt | (used by radeon module) |
| 08:46.06 | vlt | somiaj: That was a debootstrap install with later added xserver and lxde |
| 08:46.20 | vlt | Maybe some pkg was not installed. |
| 08:46.52 | somiaj | vlt: I think I almost got it, 'groups' are you in the video group? |
| 08:47.11 | somiaj | vlt: look at ls -l /dev/dri/* -- take note of the ownership of those files |
| 08:47.12 | vlt | somiaj: I'm root |
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| 08:47.38 | somiaj | running X as root...bad bad juju, though again in the logs |
| 08:47.58 | somiaj | your error starts at line 414 you pasted, and it can't seem to open the /dev/dri/card? for your card |
| 08:48.06 | somiaj | I was wondering if it was a permission issue |
| 08:48.28 | vlt | somiaj: THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!! |
| 08:48.48 | vlt | For some weird reasons there's no /dev/dri |
| 08:49.08 | vlt | What happened? |
| 08:49.09 | somiaj | that is strange, udev should create them |
| 08:49.13 | vlt | How to restore that? |
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| 08:50.43 | somiaj | well there is a MAKEDEV script, you could try to run inside of dev |
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| 08:51.14 | somiaj | cd /dev then ./MAKEDEV dri, but this is just a random guess and probabaly isn't the right way to deal with udev :( |
| 08:51.44 | vlt | somiaj: I'll try |
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| 08:52.04 | vlt | somiaj: nope |
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| 08:53.10 | vlt | somiaj: I used "mount -o bind /dev /some/chroot/dev" a few days ago. Maybe it messed up something. possible? |
| 08:53.39 | somiaj | vlt: a suggestion I saw on the net was to unload reload the radeon and drm modules |
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| 08:54.04 | somiaj | vlt: have you rebooted since then? I had that suggestion but when /dev isn't populating correctly it could fix it |
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| 08:54.50 | somiaj | so modprobe -r radeon and modprobe -r drm (then modprobe radeon again and see if the device gets created correctly) |
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| 09:03.24 | serg | a question about building packages. we (mariadb) have debian files (control, rules, *.files, etc) directly in the source tree and build packages from that. Now, there are some optional components-plugins that might be built or not depending on the build host. Can I somehow fix debian-related files to be able to build debs automatically ignoring missing plugins somehow? Or I need to generate control file with the correct list of packages? |
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| 09:12.25 | jelly-home | serg: you might want to ask for help with packaging in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net. I'm not sure debian's own packages deal with variable build options except on a per-architecture basis |
| 09:13.56 | serg | thanks |
| 09:15.12 | vjarjadian | I'm having a problem with vi on a fresh install of debian... i'm getting A, B, D when i try to navigate in insert mode. google says there is a command to fix (:set term=builtin_ansi) but where do i enter it... gave error on the command line. |
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| 10:45.39 | jelly-home | well, who's going to install the OS? |
| 10:46.11 | vjarjadian | they are... which is why it's annoying it doesnt work out of the box |
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| 10:46.43 | Konomi | vjarjadian: if you happen to run that set I gave you and it works |
| 10:46.45 | jelly-home | gedit? |
| 10:46.47 | jelly-home | hides |
| 10:46.53 | Konomi | I'll paste the following explantion I found on a bug report |
| 10:47.06 | vjarjadian | E518 Unknown option noncompatible |
| 10:47.25 | Konomi | it's no |
| 10:47.27 | Konomi | not non |
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| 10:53.45 | Konomi | vjarjadian: explanation if nocompatible fixed it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vim/+bug/491615/comments/13 |
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| 11:13.28 | dstanek | i'm making simple changes in /etc/security/limits.conf and they don't appear to be taking effect |
| 11:13.58 | dstanek | is a reboot required? |
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| 11:18.36 | jelly-home | dstanek: limits.conf is a config file for pam_limits PAM module. The limits are applied at login time, and only when a user is logged in via a PAM-enabled service |
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| 11:20.32 | jelly-home | dstanek: so, log off and back on |
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| 11:31.11 | dstanek | jelly-home: just figured out my issue |
| 11:31.29 | dstanek | i had to make a change to /etc/pam.d/common-session |
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| 11:31.47 | dstanek | i don't remember having to do that in the past, but it did work |
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| 11:31.59 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 11:56.32 | eptalon | great ;) |
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| 18:54.59 | Quest | http://masoodahmad.com/02.Session-Hijacking-Pt.2.mov how the hell can the email / password be visible in this middleman attack when the user was using HTTPS gmail website ? |
| 18:55.22 | x-yuri | ompaul: well, the first thing that makes you think about it is that there's no way to list installed packages with apt-get alone (at least not that I know of). And then you start thinking what dpkg can do and if it has some other useful utilities, particularily when you're writing a script, like dpkg-query. But more importantly, what may go wrong except for installing/not installing recommends? This article says you can use apt-get/aptitude interc |
| 18:56.48 | nezZario | I will be back. |
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| 19:00.29 | zophy | hi |
| 19:00.31 | cantoma | musca, still there? |
| 19:01.03 | zophy | which release number is wheezy ? |
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| 19:01.13 | zophy | i am coinfused |
| 19:01.32 | zophy | !help |
| 19:01.37 | zophy | shoot |
| 19:01.38 | musca | cantoma: I don't compile kernels and surely won't read kernel.org's FAQ for you. |
| 19:02.10 | abrotman | zophy: /topic ? |
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| 19:02.37 | zophy | ah, dpkg sez 7.1 |
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| 19:03.56 | cantoma | musca, i didn't ask about kernel compilation neither if you are willing to read kernel the FAQ. My query was just about the kernel terminology, and your answer contradicts what the faq is saying. |
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| 19:06.03 | musca | cantoma: which version of the kernel do you want? |
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| 19:07.21 | cantoma | musca, I want to know if kernel 3.11-rc5 is created by: (a) downloading kernel 3.10 and adding the patch 3.11-rc5 or (b) downloading kernel 3.11 and adding the patch 3.11-rc5 |
| 19:07.55 | abrotman | cantoma: 3.11rc5 would precede 3.11 |
| 19:08.10 | Quest | rephrased: http://masoodahmad.com/02.Session-Hijacking-Pt.2.mov how the hell can the email / password be visible in this middleman attack when the user was using HTTPS gmail website ? no certificate tampering, there was no setup. just impied the target, dns, and gatway ips. |
| 19:08.12 | rryoumaa | goplay(1) has fonts that are unreadably small. how do i increase the font size for that application? |
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| 19:08.43 | cantoma | abrotman, so my confusion is concerning what is written in https://www.kernel.org/faq.html under the line "How do I create an -rc kernel? I get "Reversed patch detected!" |
| 19:09.02 | cantoma | abrotman, it states that "Yes, you want 2.6.13, not 2.6.14. Remember, that's an -rc kernel, as in, 2.6.14 doesn't exist yet. :)" |
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| 19:09.28 | abrotman | cantoma: what? |
| 19:10.12 | cantoma | abrotman, it is stating there: For example: to create the 2.6.14-rc5 kernel, you must: (1) download 2.6.13 (not 2.6.13.4) (2) and then apply the 2.6.14-rc5 patch. |
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| 19:10.38 | abrotman | cantoma: yes |
| 19:11.27 | cantoma | abrotman, so the same logic if I want to create 3.11-rc5 I need to: (1) download 3.10 and (2) apply 3.11-rc5 patch |
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| 19:11.41 | cantoma | abrotman, is this correct? |
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| 19:11.46 | abrotman | cantoma: that's now what you said above? |
| 19:11.53 | abrotman | cantoma: i don't see why all this fussing with kernels? |
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| 19:12.34 | cantoma | abrotman, 1. that is what I said above |
| 19:12.51 | cantoma | note >> musca, I want to know if kernel 3.11-rc5 is created by: (a) downloading kernel 3.10 and adding the patch 3.11-rc5 or (b) downloading kernel 3.11 and adding the patch 3.11-rc5 |
| 19:13.13 | abrotman | cantoma: b is wrong |
| 19:13.15 | cantoma | abrotman, 2. I just want to know how are the rc kernel created .. that is all |
| 19:13.20 | abrotman | which is what i was trying to explain |
| 19:13.52 | r3m | ,v synergy |
| 19:13.53 | judd | Package: synergy on i386 -- squeeze: 1.3.1-5; wheezy: 1.3.8-2; jessie: 1.4.12-3; sid: 1.4.12-3 |
| 19:14.32 | cantoma | abrotman, so you are saying that to create kernel 3.11-rc5 i need to: (1) download 3.11 and then (2) add patch 3.11-rc5 |
| 19:14.40 | abrotman | .... |
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| 19:20.53 | giulia12 | Hellooooooooooo!!! |
| 19:20.59 | jelly-home | cantoma: patching usually goes from older to newer version. 3.11 is newer than 3.11-rc5, so you have to start with 3.10 if you want to get to 3.11-rc5. |
| 19:21.02 | giulia12 | hello!!! |
| 19:21.10 | ompaul | x-yuri: you can pretty much do anything you want with apt-get and aptitude - note the comment about it being something I am aware of with some people |
| 19:21.34 | ompaul | giulia12: have you got a debian tech support question? |
| 19:21.36 | jelly-home | giulia12: hi there. |
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| 19:22.02 | brahdude | Can Ubuntu's unity be installed on Debian? |
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| 19:22.15 | jelly-home | brahdude: not really. |
| 19:22.43 | brahdude | I see. |
| 19:22.51 | cantoma | jelly-home, ok so that is what the kernel faq says |
| 19:23.10 | ompaul | brahdude: and unless you fix it now and fix it well it will never happen I guess ;-) |
| 19:23.20 | abrotman | cantoma: do you understand what the 'RC' stands for ? |
| 19:23.35 | cantoma | <abrotman> cantoma: 3.11rc5 would precede 3.11 |
| 19:23.41 | cantoma | <jelly-home> cantoma: patching usually goes from older to newer version. 3.11 is newer than 3.11-rc5 |
| 19:23.54 | abrotman | right, we said the same thing? |
| 19:24.02 | jelly-home | why did we |
| 19:24.08 | cantoma | yes |
| 19:24.11 | cantoma | so it is all fine |
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| 19:25.57 | cantoma | abrotman, sorry i just read your sentence the other way around .. that was causing confusion |
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| 19:30.51 | wolfmitchell | How would I keep live-build from getting a kernel if I have my own I want to use? |
| 19:31.12 | x-yuri | ompaul: you mean I might get into trouble, but you don't know particular reasons which can make it happen? |
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| 19:37.09 | ompaul | x-yuri: no, my point, if there is one, is this, choose one learn it well, spend some time learning one - apt-get or aptitude and then later learn something of the differences |
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| 19:38.40 | ompaul | x-yuri if you mix things and think they are always equal then you may get a surprise, trouble, if you break your bosses box :) |
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| 19:42.37 | x-yuri | I see, thanks |
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| 19:47.37 | JosephM | greetings people. |
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| 19:50.14 | JosephM | I have a WB My Book Live on my home network. If I have my windows desktop turned on and logged in, I can see the drive in network on my Debian Laptop under network. If I turn off the Desktop ( that runs windows wp btw ) the drive goes away on the linux laptop. any ideas how I can make this work without the desk top running? |
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| 19:51.35 | Sysaxed | does anybody know how can I scroll through fonts in xfontsel? |
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| 19:53.06 | n3rV3 | JosephM: how would that be possible? since "the drive" you mention is on your desktop, it will only be accessible as long as you desktop itself is accessible |
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| 19:53.25 | n3rV3 | so you'll have to keep that desktop running to access it |
| 19:53.39 | JosephM | n3rV3: it is an IP drive |
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| 19:54.30 | air_ick | I have a flash drive that only root has write permissions on. Using chmod 777 does not change anything. |
| 19:54.35 | JosephM | WB My Book Live |
| 19:54.36 | Sysaxed | omg, I feel stupid, but how to use xfontsel? It says "3174 names match" - great! But what are these names??? |
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| 19:56.37 | tgs3 | hehe nicer operation -bo. ban him and deop yourself |
| 19:59.10 | air_ick | Well I've figured it out by mounting it with "sudo mount -o umask=0 /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb". |
| 20:00.15 | n3rV3 | JosephM: havent used any such device, but if it can work on its own, then it must have a ethernet port, or some other way to connect to the network |
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| 20:01.05 | n3rV3 | JosephM: in that case you have to keep it plugged in and also connect to a network, a wifi modem perhaps, though i am just guessing |
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| 20:02.05 | JosephM | Yes n3rV3 I have it on the network. the drive is functioning just fine. I have a debian question about how to mount the network drive. |
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| 20:04.13 | n3rV3 | JosephM: should be accessible as a windows drive, or cifs, see if "showmount -e" gives you anything |
| 20:04.25 | n3rV3 | run it on the Debian system |
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| 20:05.43 | n3rV3 | JosephM: wait, got it mixed up, if you've assigned an ip address you could directly access it by mounting it |
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| 20:07.26 | n3rV3 | should be: mount -t cifs -o username=<user>,password=<pass> //192.168.0.100/folder/ /mnt |
| 20:08.00 | n3rV3 | its a long command but will do, you have to set the correct ip instead of 192.168.0.100 and the folder you want to mount |
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| 20:10.24 | JosephM | I am trying now I dont have the syntax quite down, but I think I am getting there |
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| 20:10.57 | rryoumaa | i need a screen magnifier that magnifies the WHOLE screen near point (i.e. zooming in on part of the screen). i don't want it to create a window the way kwin (and xzoom and xmag) do. i know compiz can do it, but that is not in wheezy and it is said to be dead. can anything else do it? |
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| 20:12.00 | JosephM | Thanks |
| 20:12.14 | rryoumaa | s/kwin/kmag/ |
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| 20:18.23 | Riztonnn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:19.29 | un214 | well I know *A* way but you probably don't want it |
| 20:19.48 | _p0g0_ | ...install it in a chroot? |
| 20:19.59 | un214 | actually that's a good way |
| 20:21.04 | _p0g0_ | yea...at least you'll avoid horrible breakages that way |
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| 20:22.07 | un214 | another way is to build with --prefix=/usr/local/gcc4.7 |
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| 20:27.16 | Riztonnn | ??? |
| 20:27.37 | Riztonnn | _p0g0_> horrible breakage for gcc 4.7 ? |
| 20:29.28 | Riztonnn | actually I want to get qt 5 libraries, and I need gcc 4.7 in order to compile it that's why I would like to install it |
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| 20:35.46 | blawiz | "NVIDIA Corporation GT218 [ION]" not supported in wheezy? |
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| 20:37.01 | wjtaylor | how can I connect to an iphone with ios 6? |
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| 20:47.05 | pirret | babilen: nothing proprietary is not supported in debian :) |
| 20:47.38 | pirret | i mean if you are looking for official drivers |
| 20:48.59 | ToApolytoXaos | it was blawiz that asked for nvidia support on wheezy, not babilen |
| 20:49.32 | blawiz | i found nvidia-detect, which told me to install nvidia-glx, so trying yo do that now :) |
| 20:50.48 | Nik05 | blawiz here or on OFTC? |
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| 20:50.57 | Roland- | hello, can i downgrade from grub2? |
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| 20:51.20 | Nik05 | Roland- to what? |
| 20:51.41 | Roland- | dunno some old ass version of grub |
| 20:51.45 | Roland- | I don't like this one |
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| 20:52.08 | ToApolytoXaos | Roland-, works fine with me |
| 20:52.28 | Roland- | I have to read tons of tutorials to make it boot without uuid devices |
| 20:52.36 | ToApolytoXaos | i have had a tiny issue though with upgrade, but that was long time ago |
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| 20:53.06 | ToApolytoXaos | why don't you test it on VirtualBox, the whole upgrade procedure and take notes? |
| 20:53.32 | bzed | Roland-: making it boot without using uuids should work as before - but what sth eproblem with uuids? |
| 20:53.34 | Roland- | ah lol it's easier with default/grub |
| 20:53.36 | Roland- | no uuid |
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| 21:28.02 | mesoderm | Hi, I've been workin on this problem for days, trying to get X working on my Toshiba Satellite C855D (ATI Radeon HD 6310 video card) ... Here's a thread I started at the debian forums: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=107095&p=511296#p511296 ... but everyone there seems to be running out of ideas. Can someone please help me figure this out? |
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| 21:31.19 | mesoderm | I was also wondering if I should file a bug report, and if so, what I should file it under (i.e. with which package, etc.)? |
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| 21:32.50 | dvs | mesoderm: You haven't tried the backported 3.10 kernel yet? |
| 21:33.56 | mesoderm | dvs, Yes, I have and it didn't fix the issue. (Check out the link to the thread I shared -- I talked about my experiences with that there) ... basically, I went back to a clean install with the 3.2 kernel after trying it out. |
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| 21:35.18 | dvs | Hmmm... weird. 3.2 works fine for me and my L855D |
| 21:35.50 | mesoderm | Yeah, apparently 3.2 supports the HD 6310 card (although the rtl8169 wireless card does seem to have a problem with 3.2) |
| 21:36.26 | mesoderm | dvs, Did you have to do anything unusual to get it to work, or did it just work right out of the box? |
| 21:37.36 | dvs | mesoderm: I had to compile my own kernel to get the wireless network working but kernel 3.6 was the first one to work. Now that the 3.10 has been backported, I no longer have to compile my own kernel anymore. |
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| 21:38.10 | wjtaylor | Has anyone gotten deb 6 to sync with an iphone running ios 6 |
| 21:38.12 | mesoderm | OK, so I should go back to using the 3.10 backported kernel? |
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| 21:38.36 | mesoderm | dvs, But that still didn't make it work for me before. There is something else that is going on ... |
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| 21:40.23 | jned | how can you run xvkbd or xdotool or other X-server stuff remotely. I think you can do xhosts + but what if you don't have direct access? |
| 21:43.18 | dvs | mesoderm: Maybe the contents of your /var/log/Xorg.0.log might give you a clue about what's going on. |
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| 21:49.15 | hashmaster | Ok so im trying to install debian on a p4, its telling me I need non free firmware for my wifi. I downloadedthe tarball and placed it on a usb, the debian installer insnt finding it tho what might I be doing wrong |
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| 21:49.50 | dvs | hashmaster: Use the unofficial firmware installer. It's much easier that way. |
| 21:50.09 | hashmaster | How might I go about that |
| 21:50.21 | jned | add contrib non-free to sources? |
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| 21:51.37 | dvs | hashmaster: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ |
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| 21:52.17 | hashmaster | dvs is that a netinst |
| 21:53.19 | dvs | yes |
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| 21:55.29 | hashmaster | Ah, I was trying to avoid tearing my tower out of my lab |
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| 21:57.47 | hashmaster | Oh well time to dl and rip out my tower |
| 21:58.00 | dvs | ??? |
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| 22:00.24 | wiak | my linux system *freeze* when i encode a video, do anyone know how i can limit it? |
| 22:00.46 | wiak | so it wont freeze but will use most of the resources for encoding? |
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| 22:09.12 | ompaul | wiak: do you mean it stops working completely or it just gets unusable for a time |
| 22:10.05 | cafuego | You could try 'nice [encoding command]' |
| 22:10.19 | cafuego | But if it actually just dies, I expect you have a hardware problem. |
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| 22:10.27 | ompaul | cafuego: :-) |
| 22:10.36 | cafuego | morning ompaul |
| 22:10.41 | ompaul | it is for you :) |
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| 22:10.58 | cafuego | It's always morning somewhere. |
| 22:11.10 | ompaul | it's always morning on the internet |
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| 22:12.17 | ompaul | makes cafuego breakfast |
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| 22:13.43 | magnulu | question; maybe wrong channel: I have ripped a dvd, now it is in three files (.I00, .I01 and .MDS).. any way I can join these into a single iso? |
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| 22:14.30 | magnulu | have been looking at genisoimage, but cannot see a way |
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| 22:18.06 | kensanata | Is there a command to remove all the extra packages accumulated? I have a PiMAME install on this SD card and wand to use my Raspberry Pi as a mail server. It would seem that tasksel can get me the mail server packages. But how to get rid of the rest? |
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| 22:18.44 | hiyo | Hello I am going to setup a server on Monday and I plan to use Debian but I have the previous stable version burned, should I use that one or wheezy? |
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| 22:19.21 | mesoderm | kensanata, You mean like 'aptitude clean'? |
| 22:20.32 | ompaul | kensanata: that's better dealt with by the raspberry channel please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. |
| 22:21.00 | cafuego | hiyo: Use wheezy |
| 22:21.11 | kensanata | mesoderm: No, I mean something like apt-get remove x11 && apt-get autoremove. |
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| 22:21.54 | kensanata | ompaul: It seems like the answer would involve apt-get, aptitude, tasksel and similar tools -- surely nothing Raspberry specific. |
| 22:22.21 | hiyo | cafuego: also what was the codename of the previous version? |
| 22:22.33 | cafuego | kensanata: squeeze (I think?) |
| 22:22.38 | cafuego | hiyo: ^ |
| 22:23.05 | cafuego | kensanata: There *is* a command that'll prompt you to keep or remove all packages, but I can't rememebr what it is. |
| 22:24.31 | kensanata | cafuego: HEhe |
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| 22:25.46 | ompaul | hiyo: cafuego that was squeeze |
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| 22:26.28 | rog1121 | anyone here have experience with mdadm |
| 22:26.33 | rog1121 | im in desperate need of help |
| 22:27.08 | cafuego | debfoster |
| 22:27.23 | kensanata | cafuego: maybe tasksel remove desktop && tasksel install mail-server or somethin like that. |
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| 22:27.38 | cafuego | kensanata: Start with debfoster after you remove the task package. |
| 22:27.59 | cafuego | kensanata: Don't install tasks. They just pull in a pile of crap. Pick a mail server and just install it. |
| 22:28.01 | ompaul | the task is a meta package afiks |
| 22:28.01 | deego | Ah, I was going to also say "set-selections" might help.. |
| 22:28.09 | cafuego | I recommend postfix+dovecot |
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| 22:29.20 | kensanata | cafuego: I was going to follow the instructions in a German magazine I found recently, and they also don't use tasksel. Good point. I'll go looking for debfoster. What I see on the web seems to indicate that it would help. |
| 22:30.35 | bzed | !tell rog1121 about anyone |
| 22:31.27 | rog1121 | I need help reattaching a filesystem off an mdadm raid |
| 22:32.17 | mesoderm | Hi, I've been workin on this problem for days, trying to get X working on my Toshiba Satellite C855D (ATI Radeon HD 6310 video card) ... Here's a thread I started at the debian forums: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=107095&p=511296#p511296 ... but everyone there seems to be running out of ideas. Can someone please help me figure this out? |
| 22:32.23 | ompaul | kensanata: if you asked people who were on hardware which was heavily restricted in useful space then they more than likely would have more experience in keeping the list of things the channel I mentioned may be useful |
| 22:32.25 | mesoderm | I was also wondering if I should file a bug report, and if so, what I should file it under (i.e. with which package, etc.)? |
| 22:32.57 | kensanata | ompaul: Sure. |
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| 22:37.49 | wiak | ompaul: i cannot ping the machine, after running ffmpeg for awhile |
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| 22:38.02 | wiak | ssh logs out |
| 22:38.12 | wiak | basicly everything gets disconnected |
| 22:38.23 | wiak | i did try nice -n 10 now |
| 22:38.24 | wiak | wops |
| 22:38.31 | wiak | nice -n 0 now* |
| 22:38.32 | wiak | :p |
| 22:38.37 | wiak | still not working :/ |
| 22:39.01 | wiak | <- runs ffmpeg under his user |
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| 22:41.21 | wiak | <- encodes 4k video on a farily new system a AMD A10-5800K box with 16GB ram too |
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| 22:43.09 | berarma | ,pciid 1002:9802 |
| 22:43.10 | judd | [1002:9802] is 'Wrestler [Radeon HD 6310]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9802 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx', 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 22:43.14 | berarma | mesoderm: ^^^ |
| 22:43.36 | berarma | which driver are you trying to make work? |
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| 22:45.12 | mesoderm | berarma, I'm trying to make the open source driver work. I tried fglrx and it didn't work either |
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| 22:47.12 | berarma | mesoderm: did you purge fglrx? |
| 22:47.36 | mesoderm | Yes, I did a clean reinstall. I haven't installed fglrx at all this time around |
| 22:48.07 | berarma | that's good since I saw you were changing a lot of things by hand |
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| 22:48.54 | berarma | mesoderm: I read you were having usb problems too? |
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| 22:49.35 | mesoderm | Not usb, as far as I know, but I am having wireless problems (rtl6189) ... I was gonna wait to fix that afterwards though. |
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| 22:49.56 | mesoderm | (rtl8169 rather) |
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| 22:52.24 | mesoderm | berarma, Do you think that I should install the 3.10 backports kernel? Will that help anything you think? |
| 22:52.27 | berarma | mesoderm: can you pastebin dmesg and xorg log? |
| 22:52.33 | mesoderm | yes, one moment |
| 22:52.41 | berarma | mesoderm: I wouldn't try it now |
| 22:52.45 | mesoderm | ok |
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| 22:53.19 | mesoderm | dmesg: paste.debian.net/36659 |
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| 22:53.36 | mesoderm | Xorg.0.log: paste.debian.net/36660 |
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| 22:56.23 | berarma | mesoderm: you need to install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 22:56.50 | mesoderm | berarma, Yes, but when I do it crashes -- I posted the error I get in the debian forums thread above ... |
| 22:57.34 | mesoderm | I get an error about: |
| 22:57.34 | mesoderm | fb: conflicting fb hw usage radeondrmfb vs. EFI VGA - removing generic driver |
| 22:58.00 | mesoderm | (Even if I try booting with efifb:off passed to kernel) |
| 22:58.50 | berarma | are you installing the package with apt? |
| 22:59.32 | mesoderm | yes |
| 22:59.57 | mesoderm | (apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree) |
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| 23:00.37 | berarma | does it freeze completely or can you use a VT? |
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| 23:00.59 | mesoderm | Completely freezes during the boot process (i.e. before login prompt) -- can't get to VT |
| 23:01.02 | TheUser | Hello |
| 23:01.20 | dvs | vga=off? |
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| 23:03.34 | TheUser | If i have a completely empty X session with no windowmanagers.... no nothing..... And i open a program on this X... Is there any command line tool to move that window around.... resize, and bring to foreground/background if there is more than one program running... |
| 23:03.55 | TheUser | ? |
| 23:04.12 | berarma | TheUser: no |
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| 23:04.37 | well_laid_lawn | that's what wm's were invented for |
| 23:04.41 | berarma | mesoderm: I've read the conflicting fb is not an error, that's how it's supposed to be |
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| 23:05.35 | mesoderm | I've seen that as well. That's just the last message I get before it freezes, and it only appears after installing firmware-linux-nonfree ... I wonder if it's the rtl8169 card that's causing it though |
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| 23:06.08 | mesoderm | (because the radeon DRM messages and rtl8169 errors are popping up at same time during boot, intermixed with eachother...) |
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| 23:06.36 | mesoderm | Is there an option to pass to kernel via grub to tell it not to load the rtl8169 driver? |
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| 23:07.06 | TheUser | Any suggestions to which wm may be the most stripped down and basic to start stripping to do what i need? |
| 23:07.07 | berarma | mesoderm: but it only crashes when the firmware package is installed? |
| 23:07.11 | mesoderm | yes |
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| 23:07.52 | mtn | TheUser: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_manager |
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| 23:09.09 | mesoderm | berarma, (it also crashes if I don't do acpi=off, as I mentioned in the thread ... but aside from that, yes -- it's only after I install firmware-linux-nonfree that it crashes every time even with acpi=off) |
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| 23:16.34 | berarma | mesoderm: it's like some conflict with the bios is happening |
| 23:16.41 | berarma | can you disable efi? |
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| 23:17.39 | mesoderm | You mean like disabling UEFI boot in BIOS or like passing efifb:off to kernel? |
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| 23:18.22 | berarma | disabling in bios |
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| 23:18.46 | mesoderm | I just get "No bootable device -- insert boot disk and press any key" |
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| 23:19.09 | mesoderm | (But Debian installer set up as EFI boot, so that makes sense) |
| 23:19.36 | berarma | then you can try a newer kernel from backports |
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| 23:19.57 | berarma | mesoderm: maybe if you installed with efi off it would work, I don't know for sure |
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| 23:21.16 | mesoderm | berarma -- I'm honestly open to just doing another clean reinstal right now, since nothing's working anyway. So you're suggesting turning off EFI boot in BIOS setup, enabling CSM boot, and then reinstalling ... would having EFI off break anything though? |
| 23:22.08 | berarma | mesoderm: sincerely I don't know since I haven't played with any EFI bios |
| 23:22.18 | berarma | you may want to try with a newer kernel from backports |
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| 23:22.54 | hashmaster | Ok so I got debian installed, got the firmware for my usb wifi, I have network connection but no internet |
| 23:23.40 | mesoderm | Berarma -- Thanks for your help anyway. Don't think the newer kernel is going to fix it (already tried that, and didn't work) ... I'll see what happens installing with EFI disabled ... :( |
| 23:23.42 | berarma | mesoderm: there are certainly other users here who may know more about efi, but at another time of day |
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| 23:24.49 | berarma | mesoderm: you may want to try a live cd instead |
| 23:25.47 | mesoderm | berarma -- You think that would make a difference vs. using the netinst CD? |
| 23:27.45 | berarma | you could try without installing, though I'm not sure it comes with radeon driver and firmware |
| 23:28.13 | berarma | maybe it's just easier doing a basic install to try |
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| 23:29.14 | hashmaster1 | Darn got booted. Any suggestions on why I have wifi but no internet |
| 23:29.34 | chattr | hashmaster: 'no internet' as you can't ping some ip or some domain name? something else? |
| 23:29.38 | berarma | hashmaster1: how did you configure your connection? |
| 23:29.49 | chattr | hashmaster1: 'no internet' as you can't ping some ip or some domain name? something else? |
| 23:30.02 | hashmaster1 | No pings seem to go through but im connected |
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| 23:30.22 | chattr | hashmaster1: 'seem to go through' means what? |
| 23:30.26 | hashmaster1 | I cant even ping my router. |
| 23:31.04 | chattr | hashmaster1: you have a valid route for destination 0.0.0.0 ? |
| 23:31.48 | hashmaster1 | From 192.168.1.12 icmp_seq=xx Destination Host Unreachable is what I get |
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| 23:32.51 | chattr | hashmaster1: and what does ' /sbin/route -n ' return? please put the output on paste.debian.net |
| 23:33.42 | hashmaster1 | Cant paste, im on irc via my tablet |
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| 23:34.39 | chattr | hashmaster1: can you ssh from your tablet to your problem system? |
| 23:35.10 | hashmaster1 | Chattr: good question, idk |
| 23:37.03 | hashmaster1 | Line1:0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 ug 0 0 0 wlan0 line2: 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 u 0 0 0 wlan0 |
| 23:38.55 | chattr | hashmaster1: that's output from route -n on the problem machine? 192.168.1.1 is your router? |
| 23:39.12 | hashmaster1 | Yes, |
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| 23:39.27 | chattr | hashmaster1: and wlan0 interface is up? |
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| 23:40.31 | hashmaster1 | From iwconfig its showing everything right |
| 23:43.19 | ozette | hi, i can't update my llvm related packages because the source can't be verified.. it's a nightly from here: http://llvm.org/apt/ |
| 23:43.23 | chattr | hashmaster1: when you get 'From 192.168.1.12 icmp_seq=xx Destination Host Unreachable is what I get' that's what you get when you do ' ping 192.168.1.1 '? |
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| 23:45.14 | ozette | now i can't update my system at all.. |
| 23:45.46 | hashmaster1 | When I ping anything |
| 23:47.51 | chattr | hashmaster1: is your router set up to ignore icmp? |
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| 23:48.17 | hashmaster1 | Good question that I dont have an answer for. |
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| 23:53.54 | berarma | hashmaster1: how are you managing the connection? is your wifi connected to the router? |
| 23:55.20 | hashmaster1 | Modem to wifi router, one wired connection to the router, |
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| 23:57.39 | mrdeb | hey yo. i get corrupt terminal window shadows that stick around after u close the terminal in deb 7 and xcompmgr. what is the fix |
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