| 00:00.17 | icedtea | does wheezy use systemd? |
| 00:00.23 | abc457 | and the driver is the official driver from nvidia homepage |
| 00:00.32 | qman__ | icedtea, not by default |
| 00:01.16 | gnarface | abc457: well you have to make sure the xorg.conf has the resolution listed in there you want, and you have to make sure it has the CORRECT (not auto-detected) horizontal and vertical refresh ranges manually dialed in, but on occasion (mostly due to driver limitations) you may need to specify a Modeline for the resolution you're using (especially if its something weird) |
| 00:01.37 | icedtea | qman__: sys v then? |
| 00:01.45 | qman__ | yes |
| 00:01.45 | gnarface | abc457: and yes, most any non 4:3 widescreen resolution is "something weird" |
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| 00:02.25 | abc457 | ok and how i can find out the refresh ranges? |
| 00:02.27 | gnarface | abc457: also note that the nvidia binary drivers will refuse to drive anything at lower resolution than 640x480 and that's a hard limit you can't fix with a modeline (another driver-specific limitation) |
| 00:02.40 | gnarface | abc457: for a third time, from your MONITOR MANUAL |
| 00:02.55 | abc457 | ok second |
| 00:03.14 | paco123 | hello, I'm using stable but need compiz and other packages from sid, I added sid repos and added APT::Default-Release "stable" to /etc/apt/apt.conf, but now sid packages are preferred over the ones from backports. How could I prevent this from happening? |
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| 00:03.39 | icedtea | qman__: does testing and unstable use sys v too? |
| 00:03.46 | lulzfish4 | paco123: Did backports not work? |
| 00:04.01 | qman__ | icedtea, I don't know but I would expect as much |
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| 00:04.06 | themill | paco123: mixing stable and sid is never a good idea. Default-Release is also never a good idea |
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| 00:04.43 | qman__ | icedtea, you can install systemd at your option |
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| 00:05.57 | paco123 | lulzfish4, backports works but doesn't include compiz, but sid does and dependencies are satisfied, so I added it, set the default-release, but since I added sid and I also have backports enabled, sid packages (which are higher versions) are being preferred over backports ones, how could I stop this? Is there a way? |
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| 00:06.22 | icedtea | qman: but I think all the apps are designed for sysv right? |
| 00:06.27 | paco123 | themill, probably is not a good idea, but I just want this packages, which are compatible and work |
| 00:07.20 | qman__ | paco123, you should never, ever, ever mix releases or distros in your sources.list |
| 00:07.35 | qman__ | if you absolutely have to have that package, you should manually install the debs |
| 00:07.44 | qman__ | backporting it yourself would be much preferred though |
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| 00:08.41 | paco123 | I tried backporting compiz but there is some problem with kde (which I don't even use) that is not letting me finish the compilation, so checked the dependencies and as are all satisfied, wanted to use the sid packages, which I also read are known to work fine qman__ |
| 00:09.12 | qman__ | they're known to work fine on sid |
| 00:09.32 | paco123 | on stable |
| 00:09.49 | qman__ | then install them manually, don't add sid sources |
| 00:10.00 | paco123 | but lets put that aside, how could I solve this problem if I wanted? is there a way? |
| 00:10.18 | qman__ | the way to solve it is to not add sid sources |
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| 00:10.51 | themill | For all of these issues, sticking the command and the full output in a pastebin is much more likely to lead to answers. |
| 00:11.09 | qman__ | icedtea, https://wiki.debian.org/systemd |
| 00:12.32 | abc457 | i cant find a manual to the monitor in google |
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| 00:13.44 | gnarface | abc457: you'd better look harder than. its your only hope |
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| 00:14.12 | paco123 | I couldn't compile it back then when I tried it, this is what I got http://pastebin.com/31jGS6ep and this is a related information http://askubuntu.com/questions/294970/changes-to-the-kde-library-prevent-compiz-0-9-7-12-from-compiling qman__ |
| 00:14.17 | gnarface | abc457: there are some sites out there that preserve only the relevant page from the manual (the one with the resolutions and refresh rates) |
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| 00:14.53 | abc457 | and yes, it is lcd |
| 00:14.56 | gnarface | abc457: the manufacturer often has them on the site; you should try going there directly |
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| 00:16.16 | themill | paco123: you've carefully truncated the output to ensure that it is not useful. |
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| 00:17.53 | abc457 | i got it, it has 50hz refresh rate |
| 00:18.25 | qman__ | you need the whole range |
| 00:18.44 | paco123 | sorry, is this better themill? http://pastebin.com/mrfnYhcV |
| 00:18.58 | abc457 | whole range? |
| 00:19.24 | abc457 | it only stands 50hz |
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| 00:21.41 | qman__ | that's just a refresh rate at a given resolution, you need different info, like this: Horizontal Sync Rate: 28.0-33.0, Vertical Refresh: 43-72 |
| 00:21.50 | qman__ | that's just a random example I found on the internet |
| 00:22.04 | qman__ | you need to find what your monitor's values are |
| 00:22.44 | abc457 | it has 80cm width and |
| 00:22.49 | abc457 | 55.2 cm height |
| 00:23.00 | qman__ | that has nothing to do with these values |
| 00:23.40 | abc457 | strange, there are no information about that |
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| 00:28.40 | abc457 | is that really that important? |
| 00:28.56 | abc457 | or is there another way to find it out? |
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| 00:31.43 | themill | paco123: remove "kde" from the first line of Makefile.am and remove the "compiz-kde" stanza from debian/control. Builds fine then. Might also work fine. |
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| 00:33.19 | abc457 | in the xorg.conf there stands HorizSync 65.0 - 68.0 and VertRefresh 57.0 - 63.0 |
| 00:33.31 | abc457 | unter the modelname |
| 00:33.42 | paco123 | that's right themill, it compiled fine with ./configure --disable-kde --disable-kde4, I'll guess I'll try what you suggested |
| 00:35.15 | thowe | off home. Thanks for all your help. |
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| 00:36.12 | gnarface | abc457: you know for sure that card has enough ram to get to the resolution you're trying, right? if it does, then chances are those refresh ranges are wrong |
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| 00:41.47 | abc457 | yes i do |
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| 01:00.11 | nutron | So, I just installed wheezy on an old atom workstation. After doing so, on boot I get the following error: Operating system load error. GRUB loading. |
| 01:00.34 | nutron | Anything I need to look at to report possible issues with the installer before I attempt re-install? |
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| 01:05.45 | maciuszek | grub loading is the next on the batch? hrm, try reinstalling grub i guess |
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| 01:07.11 | maciuszek | dd it to the first 512 bytes of the hardisk, if you had a gpt before make sure the end of the disk is clean, seems like something in respect to the previous boot record |
| 01:07.22 | maciuszek | s/of/to/ |
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| 01:10.26 | maciuszek | nutron: you of course made the partition you wrote /boot to bootable correct?, i assume you did but just case a.d.d kicked in |
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| 01:10.52 | maciuszek | nutron: i use lilo myself and not famliar with grub to parse the error so throwing suggestions since no one else is |
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| 01:12.23 | Pei | Got a fresh install of debian 6 64-bit on a Xen virtualized VPS, I got flooded with: "/dev/null: Permission denied" about 200-300 lines worth when I logged in to any added user accouts before it gave me a prompt... I checked /dev/null it's perms are 600, so I set them to 666 but then upon reboot it's back to 600, also screen won't run on a non-root account it says "No more PTY's!" then exits, |
| 01:12.23 | Pei | I'm assuming the permissions are messed up on those as well.... Could anyone give me some insight to this problem? |
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| 01:15.10 | gnarface | Pei: call your ISP, that is what you pay them for. |
| 01:15.27 | gnarface | Pei: if they turn out to be useless, you need a new ISP |
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| 01:18.28 | Pei | I switched from a OpenVZ to a Xen virtualization and they upgraded it to me at the cost of my OpenVZ account, due to the fact i was having so many problems with iptables not wanting to work with string or hashlimit matching, so they've been helping me all day, and then were nice enough to just give me this Xen VZ at no extra cost so I don't really wanna keep complaining about problems I wanted |
| 01:18.28 | Pei | to try and fix it with help from here if possible first |
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| 01:20.53 | gnarface | Pei: the only insight i can give you is that you might be able to fix it with udev hackery, but the fact its wrong in the first place suggests there is something wrong with the base image that should not be. |
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| 01:21.44 | gnarface | Pei: (none of our regular servers are doing this, so its the likely customizations they've made to the xen image itself or their host config somehow) |
| 01:21.55 | gnarface | Pei: incidentally, which ISP is this, so I know never to use them? |
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| 01:22.56 | Pei | I don't wanna badmouth anyone just yet |
| 01:23.01 | Pei | before i figure this out. |
| 01:23.54 | gnarface | Pei: well, i don't know enough about Xen *or* udevd to be able to give you any more specific advice than that, sorry |
| 01:24.03 | Pei | k |
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| 01:24.15 | Pei | maybe someone else will pop in here and help me |
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| 01:24.35 | Pei | i just dunno why the permissions are reverting across reboot |
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| 01:24.42 | gnarface | Pei: be patient, it could take a while. |
| 01:24.53 | gnarface | Pei: what version of debian is this thing running? |
| 01:25.01 | Pei | i mean if it was a case where I only had to set the permissions once per install i wouldn't have a problem |
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| 01:25.09 | Pei | how do i check that |
| 01:25.18 | Pei | versioin i mean |
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| 01:26.12 | Pei | pei@dementia:~$ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:26.13 | Pei | 6.0.7 |
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| 01:37.43 | gnarface | Pei: so, for starters you're on squeeze, which is now old. you probably want to be on wheezy i think, though your ISP (depending on their level of awareness/competence) may or may not be able to support wheezy |
| 01:38.46 | gnarface | Pei: additionally, a few years ago something changed about linux in general called "udev" and basically it auto-generates/updates the contents of /dev on every boot, so directly changing most pre-existing nodes in /dev will not be expected to propogate to the next boot |
| 01:39.33 | gnarface | Pei: also, beware that all changes anywhere in the filesystem may not be propagating to the next boot if the VM is configured wrong at the host level |
| 01:39.55 | gnarface | Pei: i assume you did ensure that like, if you put files in your home directory then reboot the thing, the files in your home directory don't dissappear right? |
| 01:41.36 | gnarface | Pei: cause, if not, you won't be able to expect changes to udev to work once you figure out how to do them (and again, sorry i can't give you specifics on that, i try not to touch it) |
| 01:42.22 | gnarface | Pei: but this all begs the question the question of why its wrong in the first place (as the default permissions should be 666 for /dev/null anyway) |
| 01:43.11 | gnarface | Pei: *that* suggests to me you're NOT running a *stock* debian squeeze install even, and they've done something... cruel to it |
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| 01:44.09 | Pei | hrm |
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| 01:45.39 | Pei | yeah, the files i've downloaded there stay across a reboot |
| 01:45.52 | gnarface | ok at least that will work |
| 01:46.12 | gnarface | the udev config is in /etc/udev |
| 01:46.18 | gnarface | don't wing it |
| 01:46.25 | gnarface | you can mess the system up bad if you don't knwo what you're doing |
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| 01:51.16 | Pei | i've opened a support ticket, and also put some snippets of this conversation in it, lets see how they respond |
| 01:51.34 | Pei | maybe they can install me a new image |
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| 01:52.11 | Pei | debian 6 64-bit was the only debian option to install too, period |
| 01:52.31 | Pei | no 32 bit, nothing |
| 01:52.41 | dvs | Pei: They'll be outta luck in 6 months. |
| 01:52.47 | Pei | with the openvz they had 32 and 64 |
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| 01:55.38 | Pei | otherwise i may be forced to use *cry* Ubuntu!!! |
| 01:55.46 | Pei | bawls |
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| 01:57.06 | gnarface | Pei: there's nothing happening here that couldn't also be wrong with their ubuntu image |
| 01:57.22 | Pei | i know....... *sigh* |
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| 01:58.36 | thowe | is there a code repository for the packages somewhere? I'm curious about the testing repo. The online info doesn't have dates or anything. |
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| 01:59.18 | mischief | yes. |
| 01:59.23 | mischief | !tell thowe about testing |
| 01:59.56 | KBentley57 | I'm trying to install wheezy on a very old pc using the netinst iso for the i386 arch. When I go to boot from the cd, the graphics are instantly corrupt and I cant see anything. It's a PIII, and more of a project for fun, but is there a way to set the graphics mode in the very initial boot process? |
| 02:00.15 | thowe | Well, e17 in testing is really old. The unstable one is about up to date. Maybe it's unstable I need to look at. |
| 02:00.36 | mischief | KBentley57: try not using graphics? |
| 02:01.25 | KBentley57 | mischief, I am attempting to do just that. However, I'm not sure why it would be corrupting itself. the netinst image does not have a graphical installer right? |
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| 02:02.35 | Pei | KBentley57: sure it does |
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| 02:07.44 | KBentley57 | pei, mischief is there a special image that I should be using? I feel like I've lost my mind |
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| 02:09.15 | dvs | KBentley57: I'd try a graphic install. |
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| 02:10.38 | namoamitabuddha | My typeface mathjax rendered is quite ugly. |
| 02:10.42 | namoamitabuddha | Can anybody help me? |
| 02:10.56 | KBentley57 | I would actually prefer the text installer. Maybe I meant to grab the netboot image instead of the netinst |
| 02:10.59 | alecstuyyos | whatsap bro? |
| 02:11.09 | Pei | no |
| 02:11.16 | Pei | you want netinst |
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| 02:11.51 | Pei | just, the first screen is a little bit of graphics asking if you want the graphic install or text install |
| 02:11.56 | dvs | KBentley57: well, the text install isn't working. |
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| 02:12.01 | Pei | maybe blindly scroll down to text install |
| 02:12.08 | Pei | if you can |
| 02:12.31 | Pei | try hitting enter when it boots, if that doesn't work, boot, then arrow down, and enter |
| 02:12.42 | KBentley57 | that's a good idea, can you remember off the top of your head how many options down it was? |
| 02:12.43 | Pei | then boot arrow down twice, enter |
| 02:12.44 | Pei | etc |
| 02:12.52 | namoamitabuddha | It seems that the origin of the bug is related to iceweasel. |
| 02:12.59 | Pei | i don't, but there's only like 3 or 4 options max |
| 02:13.12 | KBentley57 | that's true. Let me give that a try |
| 02:13.16 | Pei | k |
| 02:13.20 | Pei | let us know what happens |
| 02:13.42 | namoamitabuddha | http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/8466/is-it-just-me-mathjax-rendering-differences |
| 02:13.45 | namoamitabuddha | Just like that page. |
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| 02:15.57 | themill | namoamitabuddha: I'm not seeing that with iceweasel here |
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| 02:16.29 | namoamitabuddha | themill: Oh, sorry, I misunderstood the bug. |
| 02:16.41 | namoamitabuddha | themill: Is it really this one: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=697277 |
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| 02:17.18 | themill | namoamitabuddha: I don't have fonts-mathjax installed here |
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| 02:18.00 | namoamitabuddha | themill: Neither do I. |
| 02:18.20 | themill | namoamitabuddha: mathjax normally pulls the fonts from the originating server in any case |
| 02:18.52 | themill | namoamitabuddha: what version of iceweasel is this? |
| 02:19.24 | namoamitabuddha | themill: That's not a particular problem of iceweasel. I've tested midori and the problem is also there. |
| 02:19.26 | themill | I can make it go ugly with Ctrl+Scrollwheel to zoom the page, but that doesn't surprise me |
| 02:19.51 | namoamitabuddha | themill: Is fonts-stix installed? |
| 02:20.33 | namoamitabuddha | themill: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=697277 |
| 02:20.36 | namoamitabuddha | themill: sorry |
| 02:20.51 | namoamitabuddha | themill: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/MathML_Project/MathML_Torture_Test?redirectlocale=en-US&redirectslug=Mozilla_MathML_Project/MathML_Torture_Test |
| 02:21.02 | Pei | KBentley57: how goes it>? |
| 02:21.13 | themill | yes that package is installed but as I said, I'd be surprised if that were the problem |
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| 02:22.22 | KBentley57 | Pei, just tried; from what I can tell from the pictures, install is the first option. I hit enter, and the screen changes, but the next output is also garbled. It's sort of the green pixel, red pixel toss up. It's almost as if its the debian logo thats been horrificially crypted :) |
| 02:22.52 | themill | namoamitabuddha: all of those expressions in the torture test are rendered OK here. Not identical to TeX obviously, but I'd rate them as perfectly acceptable. |
| 02:23.12 | Pei | heh |
| 02:23.18 | Pei | so what about the next option |
| 02:23.22 | Pei | arrow down once and enter |
| 02:23.35 | namoamitabuddha | themill: iceweasel 22 (now I've upgraded to 23 but didn't restart) |
| 02:23.48 | Pei | one of them is Non-Graphical Install |
| 02:24.04 | Pei | i know you can get to it if you just keep trying blindly |
| 02:24.23 | namoamitabuddha | themill: I'm unsatisfied with the $\sum$ displayed. |
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| 02:25.34 | Pei | KBentley57: do you have an old pci/agp video card you can throw in it? |
| 02:25.42 | Pei | just for the install? |
| 02:25.51 | themill | namoamitabuddha: looks fine with both iceweasel 22 and 23 here. The ≤ does look a little dinky. |
| 02:25.57 | Pei | or just to see what option it is |
| 02:26.00 | KBentley57 | pei, i wish! I should have kept all of my junk! |
| 02:26.57 | Pei | KBentley57: heh yeh, i always kept spare server parts around, identical parts to what was in my linux server... identical old video card, identical motherboard,, an extra processor, an extra hdd, identical NIC card |
| 02:27.01 | namoamitabuddha | themill: I'm using STIX font now. Let me try another. |
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| 02:27.45 | Pei | if i ever had a problem with something i could swap out the parts fairly easily and not even have to do a kernel recompile |
| 02:28.12 | Pei | (i would static build my kernels, no modules) |
| 02:28.28 | Pei | drivers either in the image, or not at all |
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| 02:29.27 | Pei | hardcoded drivers i guess you would call it |
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| 02:30.18 | KBentley57 | pei, i used to do that much of the time as well. I had a fairly late kernel, i believe it was 3.2 down to nearly 3.5 mb |
| 02:30.25 | themill | namoamitabuddha: BTW the mathjax people are still working out what it means to be distributed as part of a linux distribution etc. I'm not surprised there are some rough edges here still. |
| 02:30.47 | Pei | re oh yes, i remember the days when i kept it under a meg |
| 02:31.09 | Pei | 922KB and shit |
| 02:31.13 | KBentley57 | its almost like i have a red line, green line, and blue line running through the 2nd quadrant of my screen |
| 02:31.24 | Pei | old monitor maybe?> |
| 02:31.29 | Pei | did you try diff monitor? |
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| 02:32.04 | KBentley57 | pei, i haven't yet, but that is the next step. Maybe my res is to high for the chipset to handle |
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| 02:32.24 | KBentley57 | but its still analog input, so i doubt it matters much |
| 02:32.27 | Pei | hrm, shouldn't be, not on a simple vga boot screen |
| 02:32.40 | Pei | 640x480 |
| 02:32.52 | KBentley57 | I also know it is working, it had about a 10 year old xp install that was booting prior to today |
| 02:33.02 | KBentley57 | it was horrendus |
| 02:33.02 | Pei | oh |
| 02:33.06 | Pei | lol |
| 02:33.10 | Pei | well hell |
| 02:33.24 | KBentley57 | icq and yahoo messenger were trying to take over |
| 02:33.47 | Pei | i know there is a way to get to text install blindly |
| 02:33.51 | Pei | rofl |
| 02:33.56 | Pei | oh man |
| 02:34.25 | Pei | least it wasn't that curellian studios app, what was it, icq, msn, yahoo,, and irc, all in one |
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| 02:37.21 | Pei | Trinity or something |
| 02:37.21 | Pei | no |
| 02:38.18 | Pei | Trillian!!!!!!!! |
| 02:38.24 | Pei | that's what i was thinking of |
| 02:38.39 | Pei | they still make it |
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| 02:38.52 | dvs | really???????? |
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| 02:40.59 | Pei | yeah, heh they do |
| 02:41.02 | Pei | trillian.im |
| 02:41.42 | Pei | does facebook, twitter, jabber servers niw |
| 02:41.44 | Pei | now8 |
| 02:41.47 | Pei | now* too |
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| 02:44.57 | Pei | wish my hosting provider would answer my ticket already, although i did bug them relentlessly today about iptables not working in openvz |
| 02:45.20 | Pei | hence the xen virtualization upgrade |
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| 02:48.31 | MAL_ | Is there an easy way to disable write caching in debian on all drives? I've taken a look at hdparm and fstab but I'm not too familiar with debian yet. My issue is that the progress bar goes all the way through when copying files to my usb key but caching is still writing to the key when I take it out (no LED indicator on my usb key).. Ideally I'd like to disable all disk write caching.. Thanks |
| 02:49.05 | dvs | MAL_: You umount the USB drive before you take it out. |
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| 02:55.40 | KBentley57 | Pei, been guessing wildly on the options, no luck. Digging out ye olde monitor |
| 02:55.52 | Pei | Hehe |
| 02:55.53 | Pei | cool |
| 02:56.07 | KBentley57 | Although I'm thinking it's more of a module problem at this point |
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| 02:56.34 | Pei | MAL_: yeah, umount the drive before taking it out, that's a gicen |
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| 02:56.42 | Pei | given* |
| 02:57.17 | Pei | that's just common sense when using linux drives |
| 02:57.33 | Pei | why do you think it umounts the drives when you reboot or shutdown |
| 02:57.41 | MAL_ | If you disable write caching then it shouldn't be an issue though? |
| 02:57.53 | Pei | cuz it makes sure it's finished writing all files from cache |
| 02:58.24 | Pei | MAL_: i suppose not, but i'm not sure exactly how do disable caching per drive or on all drives |
| 02:58.32 | Pei | never had to do it |
| 02:58.38 | Pei | i'm fine with umounting a drive |
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| 02:59.20 | Pei | you shouldn't just wanna turn off write caching, do it properly and umount, you want to get i the habit of umounting |
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| 02:59.50 | dvs | That's the way Windows works too. |
| 03:00.04 | Pei | if you really are comitted to the "linux way" you should always do it the right way |
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| 03:00.24 | Pei | yeh even windows has an "eject" option for removable drives |
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| 03:00.34 | Pei | which does the same thing |
| 03:00.53 | MAL_ | I've always simply disabled write caching on windows. Even for power outages it's just safer. |
| 03:01.01 | Pei | but windows does turn off write caching on removable drives by default, some you can't turn on caching at all |
| 03:01.29 | Pei | you're sacraficing performance then |
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| 03:01.59 | MAL_ | I'm trying sudo umount /dev/sdc1 (which I believe is my usb key), with the drive selected in my file manager the files disappear and then just reappear - Debian automatically mounts detected usb drives? |
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| 03:02.22 | Pei | on insertion in some windows manager |
| 03:02.23 | Pei | s |
| 03:02.52 | Pei | shouldn't do it when you umount the drive tho, it shouldn't auto-detect it again unless you remove it from the slot and re-insert it |
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| 03:03.09 | MAL_ | seems to be almost instant in Debian with XFCE and Thunar open |
| 03:03.17 | Pei | hrm |
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| 03:04.14 | Pei | well once you've umounted it, you can remove it even if it does auto-detect it again, as long as you don't write anything to the drive between umounting and removing it from usb slot |
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| 03:04.40 | MAL_ | I suppose that would work then |
| 03:05.03 | Pei | problem solved, NEXT!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:05.07 | Pei | lol |
| 03:05.10 | Pei | j/k |
| 03:05.13 | MAL_ | :) |
| 03:05.13 | dvs | !next |
| 03:05.14 | dpkg | A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed! |
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| 03:05.18 | Pei | hehe |
| 03:05.37 | Pei | so xtavc what can we help you with |
| 03:06.06 | Pei | if anything.. |
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| 03:13.31 | Pei | so........... |
| 03:13.36 | Pei | what up ppl |
| 03:13.48 | dvs | no more problems |
| 03:13.50 | dvs | sleeps |
| 03:13.57 | Pei | KBentley57: get that working yet?> |
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| 03:15.58 | Pei | dvs: no sleeping, you're still on duty!! |
| 03:16.06 | dvs | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 03:16.24 | KBentley57 | Pei, no luck. Graphics are still a no go |
| 03:16.35 | KBentley57 | Is there an automated installer? |
| 03:16.37 | Pei | shit... that sucks man |
| 03:16.41 | Pei | hrm i dunno |
| 03:16.44 | Pei | good question |
| 03:16.53 | Pei | an unattended install you mean> |
| 03:16.55 | Pei | ? |
| 03:17.41 | Pei | google unattended debian installer |
| 03:17.45 | Pei | i dunni |
| 03:17.54 | Pei | dunno* |
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| 03:19.12 | KBentley57 | Pei, two eyes are better than one. Have a read on this while im looking over some stuff, incase I have a blonde moment: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 03:19.43 | MAL_ | How much of a delay does write caching cause when writing to a USB key? Simply depends on the file size being written? I read 30 seconds for the cache to flush..? |
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| 03:21.23 | Pei | when the graphical installer appears |
| 03:21.27 | Pei | hit esc |
| 03:21.31 | Pei | see what happens then |
| 03:21.40 | Pei | or hit tab |
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| 03:22.16 | Pei | MAL_: depends on the size yes |
| 03:22.26 | Pei | and what the computer is doing at the time |
| 03:22.35 | Pei | most of the time it's 30 seconds to a minute |
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| 03:23.34 | Pei | KBentley57 |
| 03:23.44 | MAL_ | Thanks for your help, you've both been great. It's been quite a learning curve getting used to Debian and tweaking everything to my liking. |
| 03:23.50 | Igor^^^ | which websites are good for freelance? |
| 03:23.52 | KBentley57 | pei I believe that will fix my problems. |
| 03:24.03 | Pei | KBentley57: what will |
| 03:24.10 | KBentley57 | the debian preseed |
| 03:24.16 | Pei | yes |
| 03:24.27 | Pei | try hitting escape or tab tho when the graphics come up |
| 03:24.35 | Pei | it should exit to a promot |
| 03:24.37 | Pei | it should exit to a prompt |
| 03:25.10 | KBentley57 | escape or tab? |
| 03:25.15 | Pei | escape |
| 03:25.21 | KBentley57 | ok, let me try that. brb |
| 03:25.25 | Pei | if esc doesn't work try tab |
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| 03:33.21 | KBentley57 | pei, you are a saint |
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| 03:33.55 | Pei | KBentley57: i feel dumb for not suggesting that earlier |
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| 03:34.44 | Pei | now don't ask me what the manual commands are to boot and install |
| 03:34.49 | Pei | cuz i dunno :P |
| 03:35.06 | Pei | but at least now you're further than you were |
| 03:35.06 | KBentley57 | pei, install. haha |
| 03:35.12 | PrinceAMD_ | hey guys, i moved my ssd (pre-configured with wheezy) from desktop to laptop with lightdm, but on the laptop lightdm refuse to login, i can login from tty1 and run startx just fine, any ideas? |
| 03:35.31 | KBentley57 | PrinceAMD_, you need to delete the .XAuthority file |
| 03:35.50 | MAL_ | Pei: After doing some more searching it turns out Thunar/XFCE has an Eject option when you right click.. doing this immediately after copying some large files gave me a nice message that files are still being written.. :\.. I'll keep umount in mind though. Thanks again. |
| 03:35.51 | Pei | yeah |
| 03:36.09 | Pei | MAL_: yep |
| 03:36.15 | Pei | no problem |
| 03:36.16 | PrinceAMD_ | KBentley57, nope |
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| 03:36.33 | KBentley57 | PrinceAMD_, in your home directory? If you deleted it, try a restart |
| 03:36.55 | PrinceAMD_ | princeamd@Incognito ~ % rm .Xauthority |
| 03:36.56 | PrinceAMD_ | rm: remove regular file `.Xauthority'? y |
| 03:37.05 | Pei | nice |
| 03:37.13 | PrinceAMD_ | ok, let me reboot |
| 03:37.17 | Pei | no |
| 03:37.21 | Pei | you dun need to reboot |
| 03:37.28 | PrinceAMD_ | restart the service? |
| 03:37.49 | Pei | oh you wanna see if it'll do it on reboot now? |
| 03:37.56 | Pei | go ahead then |
| 03:38.10 | PrinceAMD_ | well i just restart the service it still wont login |
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| 03:38.21 | KBentley57 | try a reboot prince, just to be sure |
| 03:38.26 | Pei | yeh |
| 03:38.46 | Pei | hrm |
| 03:38.47 | Pei | weird |
| 03:38.58 | KBentley57 | pei, ill be in and out, I'm still using the main screen. installing in a 136x60 window isn't fun..haha |
| 03:39.20 | Pei | use the old monitor now |
| 03:39.20 | KBentley57 | well, that's the res. It looks like attack of the block dudes |
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| 03:39.30 | PrinceAMD_ | it fails to login still |
| 03:39.31 | KBentley57 | ah, it's fine. I'll get through it now |
| 03:39.34 | Pei | so you can keep this computer youare ircing on |
| 03:39.36 | Pei | running |
| 03:39.41 | KBentley57 | Pei, yep |
| 03:39.42 | Pei | i know |
| 03:39.44 | Pei | but i wanna chat |
| 03:39.55 | Pei | netinst takes awhile |
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| 03:40.00 | Pei | esp on an older pc |
| 03:40.03 | KBentley57 | PrinceAMD_, is there any errors in dmesg tail that stand out? |
| 03:40.18 | KBentley57 | pei, im just going to get it running, then ill switch back to this screen |
| 03:40.42 | Pei | you'd better :) |
| 03:40.45 | Pei | hehe |
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| 03:41.03 | KBentley57 | PrinceAMD_, also, check /var/log/auth.log to see if it has any details that might be related |
| 03:41.11 | PrinceAMD_ | nothing stands out in dmesg |
| 03:41.17 | allinone | welcome to http://allinone.nex.vn |
| 03:41.18 | KBentley57 | and besides, this pc isn't old, its mature |
| 03:41.52 | Pei | lol |
| 03:42.44 | KBentley57 | PrinceAMD_, you can always reconfigure lightdm, it may fix whatever is plaguing the pc. |
| 03:42.56 | KBentley57 | dpkg-reconfigure lightdm |
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| 03:43.27 | KBentley57 | brb |
| 03:43.34 | Pei | k |
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| 03:55.05 | Pei | so |
| 03:55.10 | Pei | hows the install going |
| 03:55.11 | Pei | hehe |
| 03:55.14 | Pei | takes forever huh |
| 03:55.27 | Pei | esp a net install if you don't have like the best broadband |
| 03:56.10 | j4jackj | Hello! # I'm bored |
| 03:56.59 | Pei | so are we |
| 03:57.03 | Pei | join the clib |
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| 03:57.05 | Pei | club* |
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| 04:01.43 | KBentley57 | it's plinking along, although the base part shouldn't take so long. It's hard to believe this quantum fireball is still kicking! |
| 04:03.37 | Pei | HEHE yep, old hard drives last forever |
| 04:05.09 | Pei | treat almost any hard drive decently and they'll last nearly forever |
| 04:05.20 | Pei | keep em cool that's the key |
| 04:05.26 | Pei | and stable |
| 04:06.10 | KBentley57 | brb again |
| 04:06.14 | Pei | oh |
| 04:06.16 | Pei | k :( |
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| 04:14.45 | beepie | hi debian people |
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| 04:17.45 | Pei | hi |
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| 04:20.58 | beepie | Pei, i got a dumb question about duplicity, would you happen to know anything about it ? lol |
| 04:21.20 | beepie | :( |
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| 04:21.59 | Pei | not really :( sorry |
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| 04:22.52 | beepie | lol |
| 04:22.52 | paco123 | hi, I backported compiz to debian stable, I'm running xfce and compiz, and windows' right, left, and bottom borders with compiz got as big as 5-7 px, so I'd like to know if it is possible to change this |
| 04:23.07 | beepie | paco123, cool! :D |
| 04:24.11 | Pei | i'm sure it's changable i just don't know how offhand |
| 04:24.21 | paco123 | yes beepie but windows' margins, borders are too thick |
| 04:24.50 | paco123 | I checked in ccsm but I couldn't find any related option |
| 04:24.57 | j4jackj | it's emerald's fault |
| 04:25.16 | paco123 | there isn't a separate package named emerald j4jackj |
| 04:25.38 | beepie | paco123, hmm, you're way ahead of me.. I remember something to do with xorg configurations to do with setting up compiz right, but it was long ago.. I don't supposed xrandr would be able to tweak this param.. |
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| 04:26.55 | paco123 | mmm I'm not using a xorg.conf beepie |
| 04:27.16 | paco123 | I guess it has to do with compiz and gtk window decorator |
| 04:28.21 | paco123 | but how could I tweak this ? otherwise it's really not comfortable |
| 04:29.14 | j4jackj | use metacity or somesuch |
| 04:29.46 | paco123 | but I want to use compiz j4jackj |
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| 04:30.46 | paco123 | aren't metacity and compiz both window managers? |
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| 05:16.17 | Sefid_par | Is this hardware's driver installed? Can you understand from this?: |
| 05:16.19 | Sefid_par | its the output of lspci |
| 05:16.23 | Sefid_par | 06:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61) |
| 05:17.13 | themill | Sefid_par: that doesn't tell us -- you'll need non-free firmware for that but the in-kernel driver you should already have installed will eb fine |
| 05:17.19 | themill | !4965 |
| 05:17.19 | dpkg | The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports several Intel 802.11n adapters (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N). Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi . See also <iwlegacy>. |
| 05:19.15 | Sefid_par | So, I have to install firmware-iwlwifi to get the driver |
| 05:19.21 | mischief | yes |
| 05:19.28 | themill | to get the firmware so that the driver works, yes. |
| 05:19.39 | Sefid_par | thank you :) |
| 05:19.48 | tylkas | .сдщыу |
| 05:19.51 | tylkas | sorry |
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| 05:26.46 | Sefid_par | One another question, Should I do anything after install firmware-iwlwifi? |
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| 05:28.03 | Sefid_par | Oh, I think I got, It supports the hardware itself |
| 05:29.24 | themill | Sefid_par: You'd need to reload the kernel module for it to find the firmware: "modprobe -r iwlwifi; modprobe iwlwifi" (or just reboot) |
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| 05:42.50 | Sefid_par | themill: Thanks |
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| 06:09.44 | kemak | Hi, I am trying to send mail with my php but I am stuck. When I do a mail it takes like 60 seconds before it gets sent. If I look in the logs it is trying to use the hostname "COMPUTER" as domain it seems. I am using sendmail and I have an external smtp server to use. |
| 06:09.51 | kemak | So what can I do? Am green on this |
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| 06:10.39 | themill | Please tell me you don't literally mean "sendmail" here. |
| 06:10.51 | kemak | well I installed it to be able to send mail? |
| 06:10.55 | kemak | this is not correct, please say so |
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| 06:11.26 | themill | You should already have had exim4 on your machine from the initial install -- it's a much more sensible mail transport agent to deal with |
| 06:11.34 | j4j | kemak: just use smtp and postfix. |
| 06:11.54 | j4j | themill: but what about postfix!??? |
| 06:12.10 | kemak | I already have an smtp server on an external position. I should still use smtp? |
| 06:12.24 | j4j | kemak: absopositiveyutely. |
| 06:12.35 | optraz | how to check if my mdadm is ok? |
| 06:12.41 | j4j | optraz: too vague |
| 06:12.48 | j4j | and grammar too |
| 06:13.13 | themill | j4j: wtf does "use smtp" mean? |
| 06:13.22 | kemak | lol, I agree |
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| 06:13.40 | j4j | It means to use the PHP script in combines with an SMTP plugin. |
| 06:13.58 | j4j | and themill, language |
| 06:14.05 | themill | j4j: so kemak should now rewrite his php for this rather than just fix his MTA? |
| 06:14.11 | themill | (which needs fixing anyway) |
| 06:14.37 | j4j | themill: no, he needs to use the right mta, which could me exim, sendmail, postfix... i prefer Postfix. |
| 06:14.38 | themill | kemak: use exim4 or postfix (not sendmail) and configure it to send mail to your "smarthost" (external smtp server). |
| 06:14.51 | themill | j4j: so what does "use smtp" mean then? |
| 06:14.58 | j4j | IDK |
| 06:15.08 | themill | so you're just "helping" again are you? |
| 06:15.21 | j4j | Trying to, in the non sarcastig way |
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| 06:15.34 | j4j | Whoa... |
| 06:15.46 | j4j | back to square uno |
| 06:15.54 | j4j | 23:08 < kemak> Hi, I am trying to send mail with my php but I am stuck. When I do a mail it takes like 60 seconds before it gets sent. If I look in the logs it is trying to use the hostname "COMPUTER" as domain it seems. I am using sendmail and I have an external smtp server to use. |
| 06:15.59 | j4j | 23:09 < kemak> So what can I do? Am green on this |
| 06:16.23 | j4j | kemak: use whatever hostname is correct for the situatios |
| 06:16.29 | j4j | *...tion |
| 06:17.07 | kemak | j4j: ok, during installation Internet with smarthost is the way to go? |
| 06:17.12 | kemak | In my case |
| 06:17.13 | j4j | Probably |
| 06:17.21 | j4j | with 70% confidence |
| 06:17.46 | themill | kemak: it sounds like it if you have an external smtp server to pass the mail off to. The exim4 config scripts will help you do that. |
| 06:18.08 | j4j | Oops... |
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| 06:22.53 | bolt | does apt-get -y answer "yes" to questions about replacing modified config files? |
| 06:23.09 | bolt | i.e. replaces them with maintainer's version? |
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| 06:23.37 | themill | no. -y is only answer apt-get's questions. If dpkg or debconf or ucf want to ask questions, they will still do so |
| 06:24.33 | bolt | is there a way to prepare an answer for config file questions as well? |
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| 06:24.55 | themill | !confold |
| 06:24.56 | dpkg | [confold] dpkg --force-confold will force dpkg to ignore any new versions of <conffiles> in packages, e.g. «apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confold" upgrade». Note that by ignoring changes to conffiles, you may miss out important changes and packages may be left in a non-working state afterwards. |
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| 06:25.53 | bolt | ah |
| 06:25.58 | bolt | so confnew, in my case then |
| 06:26.05 | bolt | themill: thanks! |
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| 06:26.41 | themill | bolt: yeah. Unless it's ucf or debconf that asks you questions instead ;) |
| 06:27.17 | bolt | themill: i'll try it now and find out. it's just for a particular package, so it should be consistent |
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| 06:35.14 | Han | my /etc/resolv.conf: search foo.local; nameserver 10.10.10.11 host bar works. host bar.foo.local works. ping bar works. but ping bar.foo.local does not work. |
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| 06:35.51 | Han | This is causing problems with authentication for example. Why does this not work? |
| 06:36.53 | themill | Han: do you also have mdns enabled? host(1) only does DNS whereas tools like ping use libc's gethostby* functions that also do /etc/hosts, mdns etc. |
| 06:36.53 | Han | themill, ? |
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| 06:37.56 | Han | hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
| 06:37.58 | Han | ah... |
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| 06:39.31 | themill | Han: yeah, so .local has two different resolution paths. If you want to make your own domain for home use, pick something other than "local" for it, or disable mdns everywhere. |
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| 06:40.11 | themill | (btw you can use "getent hosts $hostname" to see what libc makes of the name) |
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| 06:40.50 | jelly-home | it would be nice if mdns could be persuaded to only care about .local and not any subdomains thereof |
| 06:41.36 | Han | headache... this is set up by a previous sysadmin... |
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| 06:41.44 | jelly-home | (and by nice I mean "actually able to use my AD and mdns at the same time") |
| 06:43.01 | Han | themill, thanks for the enlightening insights. |
| 06:43.24 | Han | changing /etc/nsswitch.conf doesn't fix it though. |
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| 06:44.34 | Han | recalls a presentation by Bert Hubert. I never thought dns would be so complex. |
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| 06:47.09 | Han | avahi-discover is also fascinating |
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| 06:47.36 | themill | they're fascinating when they are working; less fascinating when they don't ;) |
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| 06:52.19 | Han | Well, it's working. |
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| 06:55.09 | kemak | I need help with this error. I am trying to use php mail with ssmtp. Sorry j4j http://pastebin.com/Sp4jcwJC |
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| 06:55.54 | kemak | I mean what the hell is this? |
| 06:56.54 | themill | So out of a choice of "exim4 or postfix" you chose ssmtp? |
| 06:57.27 | kemak | I tried postfix, went to hell real fast |
| 06:57.43 | themill | trying random things isn't going to magically solve problems. |
| 06:58.08 | kemak | I just need a way to send e-mail. Am on a limited schedule and aint got time for major reworkds |
| 06:58.10 | kemak | reworks* |
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| 07:27.32 | kemak | j4j: I rest my case. Am back on postfix.postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory |
| 07:27.33 | kemak | what is this? |
| 07:27.47 | kemak | themill* |
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| 07:32.20 | Kartagis | can I get help with ispconfig on debian here? |
| 07:33.57 | drunkez | ispconfig have unoffic support chan @quakenet |
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| 07:34.45 | chovy | how do i install bz2 for python? |
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| 07:35.48 | Kartagis | drunkez: thanks |
| 07:36.17 | drunkez | chovy: compile module i think |
| 07:36.33 | themill | chovy: can you be more specific? |
| 07:36.35 | drunkez | http://docs.python.org/2/library/bz2.html |
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| 07:36.45 | jelly | chovy: it's available by default in Debian 7. |
| 07:36.50 | chovy | i'm on squeeze |
| 07:36.56 | drunkez | upgrade then:) |
| 07:37.19 | chovy | is there a way to get it to wokr on squeeze? |
| 07:37.34 | themill | the "bz2" module is part of the standard python packages |
| 07:37.56 | chovy | how do i install those? |
| 07:38.27 | themill | chovy: have you installed python? |
| 07:38.27 | kemak | themill: I've done some configuration now however when I send mail it returns errors. Can you look at it? |
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| 07:38.43 | chovy | i have 2.7.4 |
| 07:38.44 | chovy | yes |
| 07:38.46 | jelly | kemak: oh well. Try to send a mail, and pastebin the lines that appear in /var/log/mail.log with that attempt. Also pastebin the output of "postconf -n" |
| 07:38.54 | kemak | yes |
| 07:38.57 | kemak | thats what I am doing |
| 07:39.11 | themill | chovy: python 2.7.4 is not available for squeeze |
| 07:39.26 | chovy | i must have built it separately then. |
| 07:39.33 | chovy | i don't know. was awhile ago. |
| 07:39.34 | themill | :( |
| 07:39.46 | jelly | kemak: sorry, can you repeat the links for those pastebins then? |
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| 07:40.05 | kemak | one sec |
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| 07:40.51 | kemak | jelly: http://pastebin.com/EJpnhNmi |
| 07:41.28 | kemak | where can I check the settings for smtp server and so on? |
| 07:41.31 | kemak | when using postfix |
| 07:42.21 | themill | chovy: locally installed pythons can be pretty problematic. They can't find their libraries properly and the debian packages accidentally pick up bits of the locally installed python. I'd recommend getting rid of the locally installed python. If you really want python 2.7 then upgrade to wheezy (which you need to do some time in the next few month anyway) |
| 07:42.31 | jelly | kemak: postconf -n SHOWS most of the settings. They get stored in /etc/postfix, main.cf and master.cf files and others. |
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| 07:43.16 | jelly | kemak: you seem to have modified the logs to the point of them being unusable for debugging. |
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| 07:43.47 | jelly | kemak: Aug 13 09:37:42 CONSERV25 postfix/local[4987]: 91DA3141035: to=<mymail@hidden.com>, relay=local, delay=0.04, delays=0.02/0/0/0.02, dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (unknown user: "my.name") |
| 07:44.02 | kemak | jelly: I do not wish to post my name and email here |
| 07:44.06 | kemak | I can send them to you in private sure |
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| 07:44.36 | jelly | my private help does not come free |
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| 07:44.57 | kemak | Well if you expect me to post my personal details in this channel then I'll find help elsewhere. Thank you anyway |
| 07:45.15 | chovy | themill: ok. |
| 07:45.21 | chovy | how do i upgrade to wheezy then? |
| 07:45.45 | themill | dpkg: tell chovy about squeeze->wheezy |
| 07:46.00 | themill | chovy: get rid of the local python (especially if it's in $PATH) prior to upgrading |
| 07:46.10 | jelly | kemak: just be consistent, replace the domain with example.com always, don't mix it up, don't change usernames in two different ways |
| 07:46.24 | kemak | well I can buy that. One sec |
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| 07:47.01 | jelly | there's no need to mess with usernames at all, and your mail's going to get public anyway |
| 07:47.39 | chovy | themill: not sure how to get rid of local python |
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| 07:47.56 | chovy | or if i even installed locally. |
| 07:47.57 | kemak | jelly: http://pastebin.com/xiY3r2R2 |
| 07:47.59 | themill | chovy: what does "type -a python" say? |
| 07:48.22 | chovy | python is /usr/local/bin/python |
| 07:48.23 | chovy | python is /usr/bin/python |
| 07:49.13 | jelly | kemak: you seem to have an incorrect alias or forward in place for username "martin". It might be in /etc/aliases or ~martin/.forward, as per local(8) manual |
| 07:49.15 | chovy | themill |
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| 07:49.54 | themill | chovy: so having /usr/local/bin/python is about the worst thing you can do to the debian python packages. If you have the source code unpacked somewhere a "make uninstall" might work, otherwise you'll need to delete the /usr/local/bin/python* and /usr/local/lib/python* yourself. |
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| 07:50.06 | optraz | how to check if my raid is ok? using mdadm |
| 07:50.16 | jelly | kemak: in addition, /etc/aliases seems to have been recently edited. "newaliases" command needs to be called after that. |
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| 07:51.48 | kemak | jelly: there is no martin in /etc/aliases/ |
| 07:52.50 | jelly | kemak: might have been there previously |
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| 07:53.15 | kemak | perhaps |
| 07:53.19 | kemak | I did a newaliases anyway |
| 07:53.34 | chovy | themill: you mean /usr/bin/python? |
| 07:53.53 | jelly | kemak: did newaliases make any change? |
| 07:54.08 | jelly | kemak: (try to send mail again) |
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| 07:54.29 | kemak | nom, I tried. same output in mail.log |
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| 07:55.19 | themill | chovy: no. /usr/bin/python should be from the debian package. /usr/local/bin/python is the thing you compiled. |
| 07:55.22 | jelly | kemak: local(8) is reading that martin.lordcrab from SOMEWHERE, you'll have to figure out where from |
| 07:55.46 | chovy | ok |
| 07:56.10 | kemak | and what then? What is your idea? |
| 07:56.20 | chovy | i'm afraid to remove /usr/local/bin/python |
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| 07:58.02 | jelly | kemak: and then remove that part of config, so mail to local user martin will get delivered successfully |
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| 08:01.21 | jelly | kemak: is this machine supposed to receive all mail for your domain? If not, you'll want to remove the domain from mydestination. If it is, fix delivery for "martin" as we just discussed. |
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| 08:01.28 | jelly | kemak: http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html#mydestination |
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| 08:20.56 | crane_work | how can i reset my ip rules i added? i mean all of them not just one by one |
| 08:21.10 | SirLagz | ip rules as in iptables rules ? |
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| 08:21.29 | crane_work | SirLagz, ip rules like ip rule add |
| 08:21.44 | SirLagz | oh right. |
| 08:21.48 | SirLagz | never mind me then. |
| 08:21.58 | abrotman | reset to do what? erase them? |
| 08:22.05 | abrotman | or go back to your oriringal config? |
| 08:22.12 | abrotman | that's almost a real word ... |
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| 08:22.50 | crane_work | i would say go back to the default ip rules |
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| 08:23.32 | crane_work | i runed a script which should add my a bunch of ip rules but i made a misstake in this script and... well i think you know the rest of this story. ^^ |
| 08:23.56 | bhuddah | crane_work: delete them one by one |
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| 08:24.06 | bhuddah | OR: restart the network stuff |
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| 08:25.53 | crane_work | bhuddah, hmm... i will reboot then. |
| 08:25.56 | crane_work | not nice but okay |
| 08:26.29 | bhuddah | ok |
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| 08:28.17 | crane_work | damn... fsck *sigh* |
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| 08:28.29 | bhuddah | lol |
| 08:28.44 | crane_work | i hope that will end up well... this server hasn't got any kvm card |
| 08:28.45 | jelly | crane_work: two options: iptables-restore from an empty file, or iptables -X all the custom chains, then iptables -F all the tables |
| 08:28.56 | bhuddah | NOT iptables... |
| 08:28.58 | bhuddah | IP |
| 08:29.07 | crane_work | jelly, it was not iptables. i was talking about ip rule |
| 08:29.24 | bhuddah | the utility from iproute2 |
| 08:29.29 | jelly | crane_work: oh! Ask in #netfilter |
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| 08:30.29 | crane_work | jelly, netfilter is iptables |
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| 08:31.51 | jelly | crane_work: iptables is just one (backward compatible to kernel 2.4) api netfilter exposes |
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| 08:32.36 | jporcel | hi there, can anyone tell me where are the files for Apache virtual hosts now (using Debian testing), they just changed that recently and its not using my vhosts |
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| 08:32.44 | abrotman | crane_work: why didn't you just restart the networking script ? |
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| 08:32.45 | jporcel | cannot find which files is using now |
| 08:33.36 | jelly | jporcel: does "apache2ctl -S" list your vhosts? |
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| 08:34.14 | jporcel | jelly: did not even check, I truly know he has default vhosts, just upgraded this morning but checking |
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| 08:34.50 | jporcel | jelly: http://pastebin.com/2yj48N5i |
| 08:35.24 | jelly | jporcel: is that all? |
| 08:35.33 | jporcel | jelly: yes |
| 08:35.54 | jporcel | so, I guess nothing listed as I said. I have my files in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled bla bla |
| 08:36.12 | jporcel | the installer was saying that is not default location anymore, or deprecated or whatever (are we crazy ?) |
| 08:36.17 | jelly | jporcel: then I can't help, read /usr/share/doc/apache2.4-common/README.Debian.gz and NEWS.Debian |
| 08:36.26 | jporcel | ok |
| 08:37.54 | SmokedCheese | i've installed kexec-tools, but reboot doesn't work and freezes on "Starting new kernel". manual kexec -l kernel --initrd initrd.img --reuse-cmdline works fine. what's wrong? |
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| 08:39.52 | jporcel | jelly: its me or my apache its broken for good ? just wondering why apache2 -v displays so few details now |
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| 08:40.54 | jporcel | aptitude reinstall apache2 |
| 08:40.57 | jporcel | :-/ |
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| 08:41.24 | jelly | jporcel: I have no idea how 2.4 is packaged and managed, swhy I pointed you to the docs |
| 08:41.51 | jelly | a reinstall seldom helps, esp. if you're reinstalling the wrong package |
| 08:42.14 | jporcel | true |
| 08:42.49 | jporcel | I think I should try to rollback and downgrade... but Gentoo no issues, here xD no idea how to do without wiping my kernel, kde and my irc client |
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| 08:46.50 | jelly | you can't downgrade debian. You can reinstall tho. |
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| 08:48.51 | jporcel | jelly: reinstall a previous package ? aptitude install apache2=2.2 or something like that will not work ? |
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| 08:50.06 | jelly | jporcel: again, apache consists of more than one binary package, and "apache2" is not the one bringing in the meat |
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| 08:51.06 | jporcel | jelly: I see that on the list, but I guess must be one that installs all the boilerplate, using mpm-prefork, apache works just do not know where the files are... I guess I can use strace but xDD |
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| 08:52.37 | jelly | jporcel: if the paths have change I suppose the new paths will be listed in README.Debian and the most important changes shown in NEWS.Debian. Have you read those? |
| 08:52.40 | jporcel | should be an easy way to go back to the 2.2 2.3 Apache version from 2.4, anyone ? (downgrade an specific package previously installed) otherwise I guess I will strace to find the config file just sucks hard |
| 08:52.52 | jporcel | jelly: not yet, but for great justice I will do right now |
| 08:52.57 | jporcel | guess you're right |
| 08:53.17 | jelly | sigh |
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| 08:53.48 | jporcel | jelly: my apologies ;) |
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| 08:57.21 | jporcel | jelly: according to README/NEWS my files are in the correct place, according to aptitude output my files are not supposed to be there anymore, love debian with this lovely inconsistencies |
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| 08:57.59 | jelly | jporcel: hey, you subscribed to TESTING it |
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| 08:58.28 | jelly | congrats, you may have found a migration bug! Go report it. |
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| 08:59.43 | jporcel | jelly: well, that is ok to me, but just let me know CLEARLY where I have to put my conf files, or put in my error.log why my vhosts are incorrect or like in this case simply ignored... guess I will have to find out |
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| 09:00.00 | jporcel | but thanks jelly anyway, my first mistake was not even realize I upgraded to 2.4 |
| 09:00.41 | jporcel | (its my dev machine so not a big deal anyway, and do not even need apache at the moment cause the project has a builtin http thing but I WANT IT WORKING s*t) |
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| 09:04.47 | jelly | jporcel: do you have apt-listchanges installed? Did the upgrade process not show you the NEWS.Debian files before accepting the upgrade? Why do you do development on debian testing? |
| 09:04.55 | jporcel | jelly: if this helps anyone, https://wiki.debian.org/Apache/PackagingFor24#Web_applications seems to be helpful althought still I am trying to figure out what happens with sites-enabled now, and why the changelog says that is the place to put the files |
| 09:05.24 | jporcel | jelly: because I need PHP with mcrypt support for BCrypt |
| 09:05.37 | jporcel | jelly: debian stable is ancient, simply cannot be used |
| 09:06.07 | jporcel | jeand no, I think I do not have that installed doing now just in case |
| 09:06.14 | jelly | you do realize testing has no security support worth a damn |
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| 09:07.17 | jporcel | jelly: true, but its my developer machine, and the rest of the guys in the company have to fear me more than me fear them. |
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| 09:08.06 | jporcel | (plus, its just me that access the computer) |
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| 09:14.22 | s7pn1 | hi! anybody got cairo-dock on kde4 not behaving weird when connected via xrdp session? |
| 09:14.56 | s7pn1 | its taking about 2/5 of my screen. even pushes the background image away... :( |
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| 09:42.59 | CountryfiedLinux | Is there any functional difference between Debuan Testing and Ubuntu LTS other than Ubuntu branded software? |
| 09:43.07 | CountryfiedLinux | *Debian |
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| 09:43.42 | tralala | CountryfiedLinux, testing and LTS have nothing in common |
| 09:44.53 | CountryfiedLinux | tralala: Sure they do. Ubuntu LTS is based on Debian Testing. Is there any changes to it that wouldn't be so in Debian Testing? |
| 09:47.50 | mav | anyone know if ext4 volumes >16T are possible/stable ? |
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| 09:49.26 | tralala | CountryfiedLinux, LTS is probably frozen after release and gets only security updates. Debian testing moves on so after a while LTS is very far behind. |
| 09:49.57 | tralala | unless my assumptions about LTS are wrong (they might be) |
| 09:50.26 | tralala | mav, wikipedia does |
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| 10:03.15 | gribouille | hi |
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| 10:04.50 | gribouille | when building a package with dpkg-buildpackage, is it possible to choose the directory where the .deb file will be put? |
| 10:04.55 | CountryfiedLinux | Does Debian Testing get package updates or just security? |
| 10:05.15 | well_laid_lawn | yes |
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| 10:06.24 | mumpitzel | CountryfiedLinux: debian testing might or might not get a security update. which basically means it doesn't get any |
| 10:06.28 | CountryfiedLinux | well_laid_lawn: So the main difference between Ubuntu LTS and Debian Testing is one gets kernel updates and has Ubuntu branded software? |
| 10:06.38 | mumpitzel | CountryfiedLinux: no |
| 10:06.48 | well_laid_lawn | ubuntu does other stuffs |
| 10:06.51 | CountryfiedLinux | mumpitzel: No security updates? That's insane |
| 10:07.15 | mumpitzel | debian testing is a testbed. it's not anything you are supposed to run |
| 10:07.22 | mumpitzel | it's the testing ground for the next debian release |
| 10:07.25 | CountryfiedLinux | So one gets kernel and security updates and the other doesn't? |
| 10:07.30 | CountryfiedLinux | oh ok |
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| 10:10.03 | CountryfiedLinux | Does Atheros AR9485 have an open source driver? |
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| 10:15.23 | mumpitzel | CountryfiedLinux: ath9k |
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| 10:16.10 | CountryfiedLinux | mumpitzel: Mine is AR9485 |
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| 10:18.24 | CountryfiedLinux | mumpitzel: Oh I see whacha mean now. Is it open? And enebled by default? |
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| 10:22.27 | jelly | !AR9485 |
| 10:22.28 | dpkg | Atheros AR9485-based wireless LAN devices (PCI ID 168c:0032) are supported by the Linux kernel since Linux 2.6.39, ask me about <ath9k>. |
| 10:22.43 | jelly | CountryfiedLinux: this implies debian 7, with 3.2 kernel, supports it |
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| 10:23.07 | CountryfiedLinux | jelly: Cool thanks. So on boot up it should work? |
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| 10:23.13 | jelly | yes |
| 10:23.21 | jelly | (NO WARRANTY) |
| 10:23.34 | CountryfiedLinux | jelly: Thanks bro. I may try Debian after work in a few hours. |
| 10:23.34 | xlq | (If it breaks, you get to keep both pieces.) |
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| 10:23.52 | CountryfiedLinux | jelly: Of course no warranty. It either does or doesn't and then back to Ubuntu :P |
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| 10:24.19 | jelly | \o/ |
| 10:24.22 | speechless | is there any channel operators here. a friend of mine is new to irc and was immediately banned by the bot when he joined. |
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| 10:25.34 | jelly | speechless: ask in #debian-ops, mention the time when it happened and the affected nickname and IP |
| 10:25.51 | RadoQ | . o O ( wow, long ban-list ) |
| 10:26.10 | CountryfiedLinux | Is Debian 7 faster than Ubuntu 13.04 with Gnome? |
| 10:26.23 | xlq | Depends on what petrol you put in. |
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| 10:26.54 | themill | both accelerate at 9.3 m/s² |
| 10:26.57 | jelly | CountryfiedLinux: you will have to do your own measurements with your particular workload |
| 10:27.13 | jelly | themill: where did .5ms-2 go?! |
| 10:27.27 | themill | lost! |
| 10:27.31 | jelly | in space |
| 10:27.32 | xlq | Quite lost! |
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| 10:49.55 | xlq | Oh my. |
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| 10:49.56 | Didji | I'm ssh'ing to a machine that is happily running X. Not sure what could be causing such a message. |
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| 10:49.56 | mumpitzel | a lack of DISPLAY environment variable |
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| 10:49.56 | n3rV3 | Didji, or maybe use 'ssh -X' to connect |
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| 10:50.02 | accessPoint | is this complete Unicode standard? http://www.unicode.org/Public/6.2.0/charts/ named charts.pdf? |
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| 10:50.19 | Didji | Putty - not sure what the flag would be. |
| 10:50.31 | Didji | I'll try at the machine. |
| 10:50.54 | n3rV3 | ohh |
| 10:51.04 | jelly | Didji: env DISPLAY=:0 glxinfo | grep -i render, then |
| 10:52.02 | jelly | n3rV3: that would just make the local X server socket be forwarded for remote apps to use, and not provide information about the remote X server already running |
| 10:52.47 | n3rV3 | jelly u are right |
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| 10:55.07 | colo-work | anyone in here using the Kolab Groupware system (its server-side) on Wheezy? |
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| 10:58.58 | Didji | Sorry was, disconnected: to whomever it was that was helping with the graphics driver thing: http://pastebin.com/JqdWaEuH |
| 10:59.01 | Iridos | hm, how about just having the .so for suns java in ~/.XXX/plugins for chromium of firefox... that should still be possible as well? |
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| 10:59.36 | kemak | jelly: it works now, kinda. The only issue I am having now is that it is sending from root@hostname and not conference@example.com |
| 10:59.40 | kemak | Where can I change this? |
| 10:59.49 | jelly | Iridos: sure, but what's wrong with packaging the thing using java-package and installing that |
| 10:59.50 | mumpitzel | Didji: you are using the opensource radeon driver which means lm-sensors should give you temps |
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| 11:01.07 | Iridos | jelly, I'm mostly ok with the icetea thingy, except for one work-related thing, where it *has* to be a certain (i think also outdated) version of suns java |
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| 11:01.50 | Didji | mumpitzel: the command for which should be 'lm-sensors'? |
| 11:02.18 | Iridos | jelly, as you use chrome... do you know in which subdirectory it puts its plugins and data? just been looking a bit .config/chromium/ create "Plugins"? |
| 11:02.52 | jelly | Iridos: dunno, I use Firefox for my java bits. |
| 11:03.08 | mumpitzel | !tell Didji about lm-sensors |
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| 11:03.18 | Iridos | hmm funny. I use FF for everything at work, so thought I use chromium for that special-task thingy |
| 11:03.24 | jelly | Iridos: chrome is for Flash and non-work-related crap |
| 11:03.29 | Didji | Okay, thanks. |
| 11:04.23 | Iridos | hm, not bad either... when I restart iceweasel, 8 out of 10 windows contain private stuff (that I just never have time to look at and close) |
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| 11:04.55 | jelly | kemak: set the envelope sender using additional_parameters for mail() http://php.net/manual/en/function.mail.php |
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| 11:07.21 | bhuddah | :q |
| 11:07.25 | bhuddah | arrrrr sorry. |
| 11:07.29 | kemak | jelly: like a header? From: address@addr.com? |
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| 11:09.49 | jelly | kemak: no, like the envelope sender address. |
| 11:10.04 | kemak | jelly: well From: martin@example.com worked |
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| 11:10.38 | jelly | kemak: that's nice, but it's not what I meant. If you want bounces to work properly, set the envelope sender as well. |
| 11:11.30 | jelly | kemak: else you won't see when a mail fails to be delivered |
| 11:12.17 | kemak | jelly: envelope address, that is the one in php.ini? |
| 11:12.54 | jelly | kemak: I don't remember what's in php.ini. |
| 11:13.42 | jelly | kemak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounce_address http://utcc.utoronto.ca/usg/technotes/smtp-intro.html |
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| 11:16.05 | jelly | kemak: almost no custom php software sets the envelope sender properly. Don't be that sloppy, and set it to the same address you put inside <...> in the From header. |
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| 11:28.12 | jelly | kemak: basically, in addition to the right header, you'd call mail() with the 5th param set to "-fmartin@example.com" |
| 11:29.09 | kemak | 5th param.,.. wait what? :D am not that used to either mails nor php |
| 11:29.46 | jelly | just read the manual. |
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| 11:58.43 | matu | Hi, please help me i have deleted my sources.list, i am using debian wheezy stable :( |
| 11:58.49 | matu | please would you give me yours ? |
| 12:00.00 | matu | it is ok i got it on the debian wiki |
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| 12:01.04 | ghostlines | cool was just going to post mines :) |
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| 12:21.01 | suborbital | hi folks may i promote myslef to TU? |
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| 12:31.46 | suborbital | systemd is the bane of linux |
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| 12:33.38 | jelly | suborbital: random opinons would be better placed in #debian-offtopic. USe this channel for technical support questions related to Debian, not other stuff. |
| 12:34.00 | leehambley | hi all, is there a `dpkg -S /some/file` alternative that searches for all packages - I'm trying to find what should provide /usr/bin/des |
| 12:34.19 | jelly | leehambley: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 12:34.28 | leehambley | thanks |
| 12:34.30 | suborbital | not an opinion |
| 12:34.32 | jelly | or perhaps |
| 12:34.40 | jelly | judd: file bin/des$ |
| 12:34.45 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
| 12:34.47 | jelly | judd: file bin/des |
| 12:34.51 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
| 12:34.57 | SirLagz | anyoen got any clue why grub won't boot the kernel i want it to boot ? =/ |
| 12:35.20 | suborbital | debian should seperate itself far from systemd as it can and take the slackware route |
| 12:35.22 | leehambley | works perfectly jelly, cheers |
| 12:35.33 | themill | suborbital: please move on. thanks |
| 12:35.41 | xlq | Protip: if it starts with "should", it's probably an opinion. |
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| 12:35.52 | suborbital | hehe |
| 12:36.32 | jelly | SirLagz: perhaps you forgot to run update-grub. Perhaps the default menu option is not the one you expect it to be. Perhaps there are two grub installations on a multi-OS machine and you're configuring the wrong one |
| 12:36.51 | SirLagz | only one grub installation |
| 12:36.58 | SirLagz | i run set-default-grub i think it was |
| 12:37.06 | SirLagz | and then I need to run update-grub afterwards ? |
| 12:37.14 | suborbital | does it boot ? |
| 12:37.19 | SirLagz | it boots, but the wrong kernel |
| 12:37.26 | leehambley | jelly: ohh, I spoke too soon: Ignoring source without Contents File: |
| 12:37.26 | leehambley | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:37.30 | jelly | SirLagz: eh... try it and see what happens? |
| 12:37.35 | suborbital | chroot in |
| 12:37.56 | suborbital | and just aptitude install |
| 12:37.58 | SirLagz | jelly: righto |
| 12:38.14 | suborbital | chroot in and aptitute install not apt-get |
| 12:38.15 | jelly | leehambley: that repo is not complete, then, you'll have to complain to the owner. |
| 12:38.22 | Iridos | jelly, hm. finally gave up, installed package. turned out that version doesn't work for me anyway, the one from squeeze does, though. package automatically works in chromium-browser, started a new iceweasel-instance to see how the two java plugins work together/against each other... at least right now iceweasel doesn't seem to see the squeeze java... it's not a bug, it's a feature (that's about what I wanted) |
| 12:38.45 | jelly | suborbital: please avoid spouting nonsense unrelated to the user's question, too. |
| 12:38.53 | suborbital | oh yea. |
| 12:39.00 | SirLagz | funny thing, is that after I ran set-grub-default to a different item, it changed what item was selected by default on the gurb boot menu |
| 12:39.05 | halt | Hi guys, I'm planing to setup a dead simple e-mail server on my debian box, but do not want to spend to much time with it, I found few project which cloud be good, but I try to thing in advance, and do not know them, so my question is simple, I anyone use them or not, I mean how big and responsive the comunity behind them and etc, so if anyone use here dbmail and hands up! |
| 12:39.14 | jelly | SirLagz: but it did not boot that one? |
| 12:39.16 | suborbital | sounds like everything your telling him is wrong |
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| 12:39.26 | SirLagz | yes, it booted the different one htat I selected (Which was memtest) |
| 12:39.32 | SirLagz | then i ran grub-set-default again to a different image |
| 12:39.36 | SirLagz | different boot option |
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| 12:39.55 | SirLagz | and it won't boot the kernel that I want, but the kernel happens to be in a submenu |
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| 12:40.00 | SirLagz | so maybe that's what's causing it |
| 12:40.33 | jelly | might be a bug (or lack of feature) for grub-set-default |
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| 12:40.39 | SirLagz | mm...dammit |
| 12:40.45 | SirLagz | that means I can't set the 3.9 kernel as default lol |
| 12:41.10 | jelly | put it in the main menu, then |
| 12:41.31 | SirLagz | do i need to customise the update-grub script to do that ? |
| 12:41.40 | SirLagz | i've just left the grub settings at default and it's put the 3.9 kernel in the submenu |
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| 12:41.49 | jelly | SirLagz: how did you end up with a submenu anyway? |
| 12:41.54 | SirLagz | no idea haha |
| 12:41.57 | jelly | eh |
| 12:42.04 | jelly | SirLagz: which debian release is this? |
| 12:42.11 | SirLagz | sid |
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| 12:42.25 | jelly | SirLagz: 3.10 is the default there innit |
| 12:42.44 | SirLagz | yes. but I installed the 3.9 kernel because nvidia drivers didn't work with 3.10 properly |
| 12:43.04 | jelly | I have no idea what they changed in update-grub to generate a submenu |
| 12:43.29 | SirLagz | hmmm...bugger. |
| 12:43.40 | SirLagz | also...were you the one that was helping me with my non-saving-nvidia-settings ? |
| 12:43.55 | jelly | I can't say I remember! |
| 12:44.01 | SirLagz | haha |
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| 12:44.10 | SirLagz | well. I had dual screen but they were cloning rather than spanning |
| 12:44.15 | SirLagz | and it wouldn't save the span settings |
| 12:44.16 | jelly | if your irc logs say so, then yes |
| 12:44.28 | SirLagz | I don't think I logged that...lol |
| 12:44.54 | SirLagz | but yeah, my X server settings seem to be saved sometimes and not other times |
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| 12:45.29 | SirLagz | so at the moment, I'm stuck with a single screen at startup |
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| 12:46.17 | jelly | then it wasn't me |
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| 12:46.34 | musca | nvidia supports randr 1.2, use xrandr |
| 12:46.47 | SirLagz | how do i save xrandr settings ? |
| 12:46.59 | armin | SirLagz: check out arandr. |
| 12:47.20 | SirLagz | yeah i tried messing with arandr, but it didn't seem to help...maybe I'll try again |
| 12:47.40 | musca | 1. generate conf-snippet for your monitor section under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 12:48.22 | musca | 2. or run xrandr from some X startup file |
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| 12:48.43 | SirLagz | well nvidia-settings must have saved something somewhere sometime, because it's saved my single screen setup that I was using to test it haha |
| 12:49.10 | musca | KDE and Gnome have a "save as default"-Button |
| 12:49.19 | SirLagz | using xfce here |
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| 12:50.23 | musca | SirLagz: please show us the output of xrandr on http://paste.debian.net |
| 12:50.44 | SirLagz | currently with it's dual screen setup ? |
| 12:50.52 | musca | yes. |
| 12:50.55 | SirLagz | kk |
| 12:51.36 | SirLagz | http://paste.debian.net/24631/ |
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| 12:52.37 | Pres-Gas | Hey. I am trying to install the citrix receiver (icaclient) in debian 7.1 and finding it has a dependency on nspluginwrapper. It does not seem to be in the repos but is in old stable. I was able to find it in the ubu repos, however. Does anyone know what is up with the package for deb? |
| 12:52.53 | sephii | hey there, I just tried to apt-get dist-upgrade but I get the following error: "update-alternatives: error: alternative name (/usr/bin/mplayer) must not contain '/' and spaces" (http://dpaste.com/1341724/) any idea what's going on? i'm using testing |
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| 12:54.33 | themill | sephii: where's this mplayer package from? |
| 12:54.40 | SirLagz | musca: http://paste.debian.net/24631/ |
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| 12:55.33 | musca | SirLagz: thx, i look at it for while :) |
| 12:55.41 | SirLagz | thanks ! |
| 12:56.48 | sephii | themill: not sure, apt-cache policy only tells me "/var/lib/dpkg/status", so I guess it was a previous version from testing |
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| 12:57.21 | themill | can you pastebin that output? |
| 12:57.48 | sephii | themill: wait, looks like it was a version from deb-multimedia, according to the version number: 1.0~rc4+svn20120216-0.0 |
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| 12:58.16 | Danne^ | Anyone seen this? |
| 12:58.27 | Danne^ | "insserv: warning: script 'ls.init' missing LSB tags and overrides" |
| 12:58.29 | Danne^ | "warning: script 'K89ls.init' missing LSB tags and overrides" |
| 12:58.36 | Danne^ | when trying to apt-get something |
| 12:58.57 | themill | dpkg: tell Danne^ about missing lsb tags |
| 12:59.06 | themill | Danne^: you need to fix that init script |
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| 12:59.59 | Danne^ | ok, well the K89ls.init is for the UPS software but that one is no longer beeing updated what i know |
| 13:00.42 | Danne^ | can't i just go back and not using insserv? |
| 13:00.50 | musca | SirLagz: save this e.g. as /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/30_dualhead.conf http://paste.debian.net/24633/ |
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| 13:01.13 | SirLagz | that's what I had before and it would clone lol |
| 13:01.13 | Danne^ | had no luck locating a fix |
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| 13:01.52 | themill | Danne^: you should be able to write your own LSB headers for it. |
| 13:01.58 | musca | SirLagz: ok, let me elaborate |
| 13:02.03 | Danne^ | i don't even know what that is :/ |
| 13:02.09 | Danne^ | and im not into scriptnign |
| 13:02.19 | themill | Danne^: did you read what dpkg told you? |
| 13:02.23 | Danne^ | yes |
| 13:02.25 | Danne^ | been there before |
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| 13:03.23 | SirLagz | musca: actually sorry, my mistake. The one that I had that would clone had the leftof in the Screen section, not monitor |
| 13:04.03 | SirLagz | musca: I'll add that in now |
| 13:04.06 | Danne^ | "dpkg-query: no packages found matching packagename" |
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| 13:04.28 | themill | Danne^: that doesn't mean much without context |
| 13:04.37 | Danne^ | and i can't remove insserv :( |
| 13:04.47 | Danne^ | "dpkg-query -W -f='${Conffiles}\n' packagename | grep obsolete" |
| 13:04.52 | Danne^ | it said that on the site |
| 13:05.06 | themill | except this isn't an obsolete file -- you said you need it still |
| 13:05.21 | Iridos | Danne^, did you look at /etc/init.d/skeleton the top bit until "END INIT INFO" are the lsb tags... doesn't look too complex to me |
| 13:05.50 | themill | the wiki also gives you an example you can copy and paste as a starting point |
| 13:06.02 | Iridos | (hope I didn't jump in at some negligible side-point) |
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| 13:06.32 | Danne^ | # Provides: skeleton |
| 13:06.32 | Danne^ | # Required-Start: $remote_fs $syslog |
| 13:06.32 | Danne^ | # Required-Stop: $remote_fs $syslog |
| 13:06.34 | Danne^ | ? |
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| 13:06.40 | Danne^ | ops |
| 13:07.34 | Danne^ | Iridos: didnt say to mutch |
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| 13:13.05 | Danne^ | ahh |
| 13:13.15 | Danne^ | Iridos: so i should just copy that part to the other script? |
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| 13:15.39 | Danne^ | themill: ? |
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| 13:17.01 | kemak | I have created an entry in crontab -e. I want to run a php script every minute: 1 * * * * php /usr/share/test.php |
| 13:17.05 | kemak | How do I activate it? |
| 13:17.36 | bhuddah | no need to |
| 13:17.42 | SirLagz | that is not running every minute btw |
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| 13:17.43 | Pres-Gas | It will just pick it up |
| 13:17.47 | SirLagz | that's running on the first minute of every hour |
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| 13:17.57 | SirLagz | if you want it to run every minute replace 1 with */1 |
| 13:17.57 | bhuddah | every minute would be */! |
| 13:18.02 | bhuddah | oops |
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| 13:18.35 | kemak | is it possible to have a schedule on seconds? |
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| 13:18.43 | bhuddah | no |
| 13:18.59 | kemak | ok so every minute */! * * * * php myfile.php |
| 13:19.04 | SirLagz | but you can have a shell script which runs every minute which then runs your php script every 30 seconds. |
| 13:19.07 | SirLagz | kemak: */1 |
| 13:19.12 | bhuddah | not "!" but "1" |
| 13:19.15 | bhuddah | as SirLagz said. |
| 13:19.21 | kemak | ok |
| 13:19.26 | kemak | lets see if it works! |
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| 13:20.06 | bhuddah | which is by the way a "once every n-th minute" notation. |
| 13:20.43 | kemak | hmm I see nothing in my nginx access logs so far |
| 13:21.02 | kemak | ah it is not run though nginx |
| 13:21.03 | themill | why would running a php script put things in your nginx logs? |
| 13:21.04 | kemak | sorry |
| 13:21.09 | UukGoblin | hi, debian sets "SendEnv LANG LC_*" in /etc/ssh/ssh_config, is there a way to remove that in ~/.ssh/config? |
| 13:21.17 | gnarface | why would you not just leave the php script running? |
| 13:21.26 | kemak | what do you mean? |
| 13:21.50 | gnarface | well, if its a simple script, 99% of the overhead is launching it |
| 13:21.54 | gnarface | its silly to launch it every 30 seconds |
| 13:22.02 | gnarface | when you could just leave it running and put a timer in the code |
| 13:22.13 | gnarface | sleep 30; |
| 13:22.16 | gnarface | something like that |
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| 13:22.51 | gnarface | well, sleep(30) |
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| 13:23.29 | gnarface | don't let me stop you from needlessly including cron though |
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| 13:24.17 | bhuddah | you could increase overhead with including a full scale batch scheduler like jenkins or even more elaborate solutions :D |
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| 13:28.05 | themill | UukGoblin: no. You need to either edit ssh_config or sshd_config or create your own ssh_config file that you pass to ssh on the command line or override these values in your remote .bashrc |
| 13:28.30 | UukGoblin | looks at g0bl1n |
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| 13:28.57 | UukGoblin | themill, gah. Annoying :-/ |
| 13:29.01 | UukGoblin | but thanks for the answer |
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| 13:46.34 | volante | hi. i'm trying to get this package: http://packages.debian.org/sid/libdb4.8-dev, but "apt-get install libdb4.8-dev" doesn't find it |
| 13:47.01 | darkskiez | guessing you arent running sid? |
| 13:47.13 | volante | probably not as i'm not sure what that is |
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| 13:48.12 | darkskiez | oh its on squeeze too |
| 13:48.28 | volante | is there a way i can install that package on a regular stable install? |
| 13:48.56 | darkskiez | i think its so old |
| 13:49.07 | darkskiez | they have newer ones instead |
| 13:49.15 | darkskiez | do you definately need the older library ? |
| 13:49.28 | darkskiez | woah, debian has _too_ new a package for you. I knew that would happen one day. |
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| 13:49.50 | bhuddah | *laughs* |
| 13:49.59 | bhuddah | FINALLY! |
| 13:50.28 | volante | a project i'm trying to build needs db_cxx.h, and the docs say it depends on libdb4.8 |
| 13:50.55 | darkskiez | just try libdb-dev |
| 13:51.12 | darkskiez | and see if it builds with the one in the distribution (5.1) |
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| 13:52.10 | volante | just tried that and it still can't find that header |
| 13:52.16 | halt | guys, can anyone suggest to me any alternative of the dbmail package ? |
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| 13:54.20 | volante | when I run dpkg -L libdb-dev, it lists only 2 files |
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| 13:54.45 | volante | just a changelog and copyright file. no actual dev files |
| 13:55.07 | themill | ,depends libdb-dev |
| 13:55.08 | judd | Package libdb-dev in wheezy/i386 -- depends: libdb5.1-dev. |
| 13:56.05 | volante | ah i see |
| 13:56.21 | volante | that package has header files, but not the one i need. hmmm, will keep googling. |
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| 14:01.10 | volante | how can i install that older package? libdb4.8-dev |
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| 14:02.56 | musca | ,v libdb4.8-de |
| 14:02.57 | judd | No package named 'libdb4.8-de' was found in i386. |
| 14:03.46 | musca | volante: are we talking about potato or sarge? |
| 14:04.03 | colo-work | is http://backports.debian.org/Packages/ not the authoritative source for quering backports packages in wheezy? |
| 14:04.20 | colo-work | or is it a bug that the dropdown won't show that choice? |
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| 14:05.21 | themill | colo-work: that page is only sending you to packages.debian.org |
| 14:05.53 | musca | ,v libdb4.8-dev |
| 14:05.54 | judd | Package: libdb4.8-dev on i386 -- squeeze: 4.8.30-2 |
| 14:05.59 | colo-work | yeah, so? wheezy-backports isn't in the dropdown anyway ;) |
| 14:06.01 | volante | musca: it says "wheezy", is that the version i'm running? |
| 14:07.07 | musca | volante: yes, stable = wheezy |
| 14:07.21 | colo-work | what I also find wierd is this: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=wheezy-backports&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=linux-image vs. http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=wheezy-backports§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=linux-image-amd64 |
| 14:07.24 | colo-work | weird* |
| 14:08.01 | themill | dpkg: tell colo-work about bpo kernel |
| 14:08.32 | volante | hm so any hints on how i can install that package? :o |
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| 14:09.43 | musca | volante: your package is in squeeze, so you could install squeeze in a virtual machine and do your build in there. |
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| 14:10.13 | pdkl | im trying to get gnome shell / 3d acceleration working in a vmware 9 workstation |
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| 14:10.31 | pdkl | im using 7.1.. i got the tools installed but it falls back to gnome fallback mode |
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| 14:11.19 | volante | ah, it's ok now. libdb5.1++-dev had what i needed. thanks for the help. |
| 14:12.01 | SirLagz | woooo kernel panicked...again. anyone ever tried setting up a wifi->ethernet bridge before ? |
| 14:14.33 | musca | !tell SirLagz about bridge setup |
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| 14:14.50 | SirLagz | musca: I've read through all that |
| 14:15.27 | SirLagz | bridge utils won't work unless i set the NIC to 4addr mode, but then i can't get any data through |
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| 14:41.41 | boycottg00gle | is there any software making use of the dhcp option 72 (www-server) / wouldn't this be the right way™ to present users of "open" wlans the usage policy or for those requiring some password the login screen? i really hate those wlans that just make up dns entries / forcibly redirect all trafic ... |
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| 14:54.22 | usrnix | Hi, what is the difference between wheezy/updates and wheezy-updates? |
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| 14:57.18 | babilen | dpkg: tell usrnix -about wheezy-updates |
| 14:57.55 | babilen | usrnix: wheezy/updates is the security repository |
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| 15:00.15 | jhutchins | boycottg00gle: That would require a consistent implementation across multiple web browsers, which doesn't happen. |
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| 15:01.18 | upp | why i should not use webmin in debian= |
| 15:01.21 | upp | ? |
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| 15:01.56 | SirLagz | upp: what gave you the idea that you shouldn't use webmin in debian ? |
| 15:02.44 | upp | SirLagz: can call the channel bot? |
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| 15:02.59 | SirLagz | eh ? |
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| 15:03.43 | usrnix | babilen: Ah so wheezy-updates is pointless when you're using stable wheezy? Would I get 'stable' updates to wheezy packages if I put it to Jessie-updates? |
| 15:03.45 | upp | i was early on here, and some ppl tell me that |
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| 15:04.10 | upp | ~webmin |
| 15:04.10 | apt | Web-based interface for system administration for Unix. URL: http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ |
| 15:04.19 | upp | !webmin |
| 15:04.20 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 15:04.54 | Marqin | hi |
| 15:05.03 | upp | SirLagz: have you see that? |
| 15:05.15 | Marqin | i'm trying to install debian from minimal.iso and i'm getting "error: Could not find any live images" |
| 15:05.33 | SirLagz | upp: lol, never saw that before |
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| 15:05.46 | SirLagz | As long as webmin isn't accessible from the internet though, I see no issue. |
| 15:05.59 | usrnix | SirLagz: Unless someone gets in your server |
| 15:06.06 | babilen | usrnix: No, quite the contrary. wheezy-updates has been introduced to allow us to upgrade packages in the stable release that wouldn't work properly with frequent upgrades (e.g. virus scanners) |
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| 15:06.20 | SirLagz | usrnix: well yes. but then either way you're buggered then. |
| 15:06.33 | SirLagz | if they have access to your server, you have bigger issues than webmin |
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| 15:06.47 | upp | SirLagz: you don't know what can be happend at your server from your lan |
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| 15:06.55 | usrnix | SirLagz: more so if you have insecure software on your server |
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| 15:07.27 | upp | !tell me free whcp |
| 15:07.31 | usrnix | Does jessie-updates exist yet? Will it provide some more up-to-date packages than wheezy if I use it on wheezy stable? |
| 15:07.41 | sashman | if i compiled n installed progs by myself it wont update them with apt-get update or? |
| 15:07.49 | SirLagz | upp: well I guess it depends on what sort of environment you're running webmin in then |
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| 15:08.34 | upp | it's better to don't use something wich is not secure and use something secure, |
| 15:08.46 | themill | the other big problem with things like webmin is that *when* they screw up, you have no knowledge of how to fix them |
| 15:08.49 | upp | if you have some Problem with it, you can find help |
| 15:08.59 | upp | yes |
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| 15:09.33 | upp | but i'm looking if some one know a good alternative that work with squid and dansguardians just a little like webmin |
| 15:10.11 | upp | http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels i have see here but i have never use any one of them |
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| 15:10.27 | R0SSI | Hello |
| 15:10.45 | sashman | if i compiled n installed progs by myself it wont update them with apt-get update or? |
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| 15:10.56 | Deeps | upp: unfortunately, ultimately, it doesn't matter which you use - themill's point remains valid for all of them. when they make something break, it'll take you much longer to try and work out why, if you're even able to at all |
| 15:11.06 | Marqin | co what's with may installation bug? |
| 15:11.29 | R0SSI | I want to download the video that its link is given here: http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics/8-01-physics-i-classical-mechanics-fall-1999/video-lectures/course-introduction/ --> Download tab |
| 15:11.52 | R0SSI | it downloads by web browsers as in Mozilla FF |
| 15:12.07 | upp | Deeps: i don't understand what do you mean? |
| 15:12.12 | R0SSI | but, none of CLI downloader can't download it!? |
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| 15:12.55 | Nach0z_ | R0SSI: download it in firefox, right-click, hit "copy download link", use wget on that link |
| 15:13.27 | SirLagz | upp: do you *need* the ability to configure it from a browser ? why not just ssh ? |
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| 15:15.23 | upp | SirLagz:i have install everything from ssh, and the Proxy work and everything is fine, but the one who want this proxy server can't use linux at all, so i want to make a whcp |
| 15:15.31 | upp | that make the work easier for him |
| 15:15.52 | linuxlite1969 | can somebody give me advice Firefox vs Iceweasel. Which is better to use? :) |
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| 15:16.18 | SirLagz | upp: ahh i see. |
| 15:16.22 | SirLagz | linuxlite1969: Firefox. |
| 15:16.27 | usrnix | linuxlite1969: Iceweasel |
| 15:16.37 | SirLagz | lol |
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| 15:16.44 | usrnix | SirLagz: Why firefox? Do you know the difference? |
| 15:16.56 | mechanicalduck | Also a good question for ##linux but I ask here now: I can change the number of processor cores (it is a VM) for an already installed Debian System, right? |
| 15:16.57 | upp | linuxlite1969: they are the same |
| 15:17.01 | SirLagz | usrnix: firefox is more up to date |
| 15:17.02 | jelly | linuxlite1969: use whichever works for you. Debian takes care of packaged iceweasel updated, Mozilla takes care of Firefox and they work automatically if you install it as the user running it. |
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| 15:17.14 | boycottg00gle | it is really strange that myth that criplled web guis are somehow easier for noobs |
| 15:17.16 | usrnix | SirLagz: Nope, I use mozilla.debian.net's repo and it's up to date |
| 15:17.16 | SirLagz | mechanicalduck: yes |
| 15:17.17 | boycottg00gle | mechanicalduck: yes |
| 15:17.17 | mechanicalduck | Any adverse effects? Are different drivers (multicore or something?) installed during initial setup? |
| 15:17.21 | mechanicalduck | Any adverse effects? Are different drivers (multicore or something?) installed during initial setup? |
| 15:17.21 | R0SSI | Nach0z_: why it turns to http://ia700300.us.archive.org... from http://www.archive.org...? |
| 15:17.36 | babilen | mechanicalduck: no |
| 15:17.38 | usrnix | SirLagz: Also what are you implying? I download the source and compile it each version? |
| 15:17.42 | Nach0z_ | R0SSI: because the download tab on that page likely runs off of javascript. |
| 15:17.51 | jelly | SirLagz: historically, it's been known to happen for debian to get fixes before mozilla, and the opposite has happened as well. |
| 15:18.06 | usrnix | mozilla.debian.net's mozilla repos, use them |
| 15:18.22 | SirLagz | usrnix: I wasn't aware that they even had repos haha. In that case. it doesn't matter :P |
| 15:18.32 | boycottg00gle | mechanicalduck: typically you can take a complete system image and run it on completely different hardware (ok same arch) just fine |
| 15:18.35 | SirLagz | jelly: really ? My version of iceweasel has always lagged behind firefox. |
| 15:18.50 | jelly | yarly |
| 15:18.52 | SirLagz | but then again I've always used debian sources |
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| 15:18.59 | SirLagz | and not mozilla sources |
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| 15:19.13 | usrnix | SirLagz: They don't exist? |
| 15:19.21 | jelly | "version" is different from "security fixes" which is what I was talking about |
| 15:19.24 | linuxlite1969 | mmm, so iceweasel is maintained by debian developers ? |
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| 15:19.34 | usrnix | Try not to give advice when you tried to install webmin xD |
| 15:19.41 | jelly | as for the major version, |
| 15:19.41 | jelly | !tell SirLagz about mdn |
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| 15:19.54 | Mephisto_ | Hello Guys. Does the Debian-Netinstall support a HDMI-Displaydriver? |
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| 15:20.07 | Mephisto_ | Especially the "Intel HD Graphics 2000" |
| 15:20.14 | usrnix | Mephisto_: I'll say yea |
| 15:20.16 | SirLagz | jelly: ahh righto. sorry got confused |
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| 15:20.20 | SirLagz | usrnix: what don't exist ? |
| 15:20.28 | usrnix | SirLagz: 'Mozilla sources' |
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| 15:20.41 | SirLagz | usrnix: mozilla.debian.net repos I meant |
| 15:20.44 | jelly | Mephisto_: yes, a sandybridge gpu like that ought to work |
| 15:20.53 | usrnix | SirLagz: That isn't an official mozilla source |
| 15:21.32 | SirLagz | usrnix: I'm aware of that, I just meant that I don't use that source, hence I don't even have firefox on my list of apt-gettable things |
| 15:21.51 | usrnix | SirLagz: it's iceweasel, not firefox, debian can't package it |
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| 15:22.12 | SirLagz | usrnix: now I'm just confused... |
| 15:22.23 | jelly | SirLagz: that's normal! |
| 15:22.29 | SirLagz | haha |
| 15:22.41 | usrnix | SirLagz: Learn then, look things up; mozilla.debian.net provides Iceweasel, icedove and iceape at upstream versions |
| 15:22.43 | SirLagz | i'll talk to you guys in a sec. I'm trying to do my taxes =/ |
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| 15:24.48 | barry128 | anybody knows how to get the latest esr iceweasel updates in testing without apt-pinning to unstable? |
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| 15:25.38 | jelly | barry128: is wheezy esr repo unusable on jessie? |
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| 15:25.55 | barry128 | i would have prefered it if they put it in a extra repo |
| 15:26.19 | barry128 | jelly: no idea, i never mix stable and testing |
| 15:26.52 | jelly | mixing in older stuff is slightly less dangerous than mixing newer stuff |
| 15:27.27 | barry128 | jelly: latest info i found was that you have to get it from unstable |
| 15:27.50 | jelly | ,v iceweasel |
| 15:27.52 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.12esr-1; jessie: 10.0.12esr-1+nmu1; wheezy-security: 17.0.8esr-1~deb7u1; sid: 17.0.8esr-2; experimental: 23.0-2 |
| 15:27.53 | barry128 | jelly: now i miss whats new in testing |
| 15:28.31 | barry128 | jelly: i know yes |
| 15:28.50 | jelly | I see 17.0.8esr in wheezy-security and sid. If I had a testing system, I'd rather mix in wheezy security updates than sid |
| 15:29.02 | jelly | ymmv |
| 15:29.23 | barry128 | hmmm, whats your reasoning behind that? |
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| 15:29.44 | barry128 | difference between testing and sid is often much saller than stable and testing |
| 15:29.48 | barry128 | saller=smaller |
| 15:29.51 | jelly | versions of almost everything in wheezy are already lower than versions in testing |
| 15:30.19 | barry128 | but those packages are compiled with lower versions of dependencies |
| 15:30.21 | jelly | there's not going to be a lot of accidental upgrades IF things work |
| 15:30.30 | barry128 | thats right |
| 15:30.51 | jelly | indeed, and as long as versioned dependencies are correct (good luck with that) things ought to work |
| 15:31.11 | barry128 | best option for me would be they put the latest esr in the security repo for testing |
| 15:31.24 | SnitraM | Mirabox evidently ships with Debian 6 (<http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/reviews/mirabox-review-super-raspberry-pi>) but with armel and not armhf. I'm trying to understand why not armhf. From what I read Marvell Armada 370 does support hardware float. |
| 15:31.30 | SirLagz | i was just about to talk to usrnix and he leaves. |
| 15:31.30 | jelly | my personal opinion is it's less scary than picking things from sid |
| 15:31.44 | barry128 | thinking of dumping iceweasel all the way |
| 15:31.57 | barry128 | hard to follow and still very slow in starting |
| 15:33.13 | barry128 | would be nice to see a review on security on iceweasel vs chromium in debian testing |
| 15:34.58 | barry128 | my gut feeling says iceweasel is safer but its hard to use it when there is chromium |
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| 15:36.35 | jelly | hard to use it? |
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| 15:36.59 | barry128 | its slow and heavy |
| 15:37.07 | R0SSI | http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics/8-01-physics-i-classical-mechanics-fall-1999/video-lectures/lecture-1/lec1.srt |
| 15:37.07 | R0SSI | http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics/8-01-physics-i-classical-mechanics-fall-1999/video-lectures/lecture-2/lec2.srt |
| 15:37.07 | R0SSI | lec3, lec4, .., lec35 |
| 15:37.07 | R0SSI | how to download this file with one command? |
| 15:37.07 | R0SSI | I tried the below command but it failed: |
| 15:37.07 | R0SSI | aria2c http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics/8-01-physics-i-classical-mechanics-fall-1999/video-lectures/lecture-{1-35}/lec{1-35}.srt |
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| 15:37.20 | barry128 | chromium feels much more elegant |
| 15:37.24 | jelly | iceweasel nas NoScript, chromium does not and will not have any close equivalent |
| 15:37.32 | barry128 | yes i know |
| 15:37.49 | barry128 | but no script on iceweasel is a also a browsing hell |
| 15:37.52 | jelly | that alone makes iceweasel+noscript a more secure option if you're careful with whitelisting |
| 15:37.53 | barry128 | tried for a while |
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| 15:38.00 | R0SSI | these files* |
| 15:38.23 | barry128 | and tried request policy for a while |
| 15:38.26 | jelly | R0SSI: how did it fail? |
| 15:38.28 | jelly | !paste |
| 15:38.28 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 15:38.48 | jelly | R0SSI: show the exact command used and the full output |
| 15:38.51 | barry128 | o what do base your whitelist? |
| 15:38.53 | boycottg00gle | dpkg really should paste that long message |
| 15:38.53 | dpkg | boycottg00gle: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 15:38.58 | barry128 | for example do you whitelist youtube? |
| 15:39.40 | boycottg00gle | for youtube there is clive |
| 15:39.57 | barry128 | thats only for downloads right |
| 15:40.12 | R0SSI | jelly: aria2c http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics/8-01-physics-i-classical-mechanics-fall-1999/video-lectures/lecture-{1-5}/lec{1-5}.srt |
| 15:40.13 | R0SSI | Output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5981633/ |
| 15:40.29 | barry128 | i use minitube at the moment because all flash plugins are broken for me in jessie |
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| 15:40.31 | boycottg00gle | depending on the version you could pipe the output to some player |
| 15:41.25 | jelly | R0SSI: which debian release is this and which version of aria2 package? |
| 15:42.24 | SirLagz | right. |
| 15:43.01 | SirLagz | jelly: so I can clarify what we were talking about before...mozilla.debian.net repo has iceweasel etc direct from mozilla ? |
| 15:43.05 | SirLagz | without the branding ? |
| 15:43.12 | R0SSI | debian7, I don't know aria version! |
| 15:43.26 | jelly | SirLagz: it's not direct, but yes, pretty much. |
| 15:43.31 | SirLagz | ah k I see |
| 15:43.35 | R0SSI | jelly: debian7, I don't know aria version! |
| 15:43.49 | jelly | R0SSI: dpkg -l libc6 aria2 | tail -n 2 |
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| 15:44.46 | jelly | note to self: multiarch makes that tail bit possibly wrong these days |
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| 15:46.21 | no_gravity | Hello! I saw a great demo by somebody who codes by using speach recognition (dragonfly). I would love to try something like that under Linux. Any idea what is a good "speak to type" software for debian? |
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| 15:48.33 | mumpitzel | no_gravity: you mean dragonfly BSD? |
| 15:48.59 | jelly | no_gravity: there is none good enough, unless dragon naturally speaking (if that's what you meant) works under wine |
| 15:49.06 | zinx | no_gravity: CMU sphinx is the only free one of any merit that i know of |
| 15:49.12 | mumpitzel | ViaVoice has a linux version afaik |
| 15:49.17 | zinx | no_gravity: but it's not very good for dictation |
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| 15:50.05 | no_gravity | mumpitzel: might be. he just calls it dragon: http://ergoemacs.org/emacs/using_voice_to_code.html |
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| 15:50.21 | zinx | no_gravity: yeah, almost certainly dragon naturally speaking from Nuance |
| 15:50.43 | no_gravity | zinx: yes |
| 15:50.43 | arctus | hello i have an openvz vps and i would like to use sixxs as an ipv6 tunnel with debian. I can resolve dns, but all other packets and ping are dropped. I have routes. Could this mean, that IPv6-forwarding is disabled on the hardware-host-node? |
| 15:51.13 | no_gravity | jelly: too bad |
| 15:51.27 | no_gravity | zinx: what is sphinx good for then? |
| 15:51.30 | zinx | arctus: could be a large number of things.. try a ipv6 traceroute, and try pinging a local machine that supports ipv6 as well |
| 15:51.51 | zinx | no_gravity: voice prompts on telephone services, for example |
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| 15:52.20 | no_gravity | zinx: what is that? |
| 15:52.27 | zinx | no_gravity: note that it /does/ try to support dictation, it's just bad at that :) |
| 15:52.47 | no_gravity | zinx: it misinterprets the words? |
| 15:52.50 | zinx | no_gravity: ? like when you call a number and it asks what you want, or asks what your phone number is |
| 15:53.16 | no_gravity | zinx: ah ok |
| 15:53.18 | zinx | no_gravity: yeah, with a full dictionary it's not so good at distinguishing words, it's made for large but limited dictionaries primarily |
| 15:53.52 | zinx | no_gravity: but they're trying to make it better, and tbqh it's been a while since i gave it a shot |
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| 15:54.24 | no_gravity | zinx: the guy who codes via dragon also mentioned sphinx in his talk and says it didnt work for him. |
| 15:54.33 | zinx | no_gravity: it performed much worse than ViaVoice at the time, though i should note that no speech recognition system is terribly good with my voice (normal humans can't tell a difference between my voice and anyone else's though, it's kinda strange) |
| 15:54.44 | zinx | no_gravity: yeah |
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| 15:57.27 | WilliamDotSI | Debian 7.1, what could be the reason that i can still cat files fine on console (via SSH), can echo stuff, can rm/mv |
| 15:57.37 | WilliamDotSI | but even ls or ps aux will just show no output |
| 15:57.40 | R0SSI | jelly: Solved: for i in $(seq 1 35); do wget http://Link$i/$i.srt; done |
| 15:57.40 | R0SSI | OR: for ((i=1;i<=35;i++)); do wget http://Link$i/$i.srt; done |
| 15:58.24 | jelly | \o/ |
| 15:58.26 | WilliamDotSI | actually, it seems only ps and w fail |
| 15:58.43 | no_gravity | zinx: this video looks like sphinx doesnt understand anything: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPCj6rm2cLg |
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| 16:00.06 | tomreyn | WilliamDotSI: the shell probably can't fork (a new process), but normally it should tell you so (on standard error) |
| 16:00.13 | WilliamDotSI | well |
| 16:00.18 | tomreyn | check dmesg|tail |
| 16:00.26 | WilliamDotSI | nothing in dmesg/syslog |
| 16:00.33 | boycottg00gle | maybe proc missing |
| 16:00.40 | WilliamDotSI | nope |
| 16:00.52 | WilliamDotSI | the server and all services work fine |
| 16:01.05 | boycottg00gle | type ps |
| 16:01.09 | WilliamDotSI | ps works |
| 16:01.19 | WilliamDotSI | ps a/au/aux not |
| 16:01.37 | tomreyn | alias? |
| 16:01.47 | WilliamDotSI | would show an error |
| 16:01.50 | jhutchins | rootkit? |
| 16:01.55 | tomreyn | might be that you got a rootkit, yeah |
| 16:01.56 | WilliamDotSI | it executes, it just reports no output |
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| 16:02.01 | WilliamDotSI | isolated syste, |
| 16:02.06 | WilliamDotSI | *isolated system |
| 16:02.19 | tomreyn | no network connection? |
| 16:02.26 | jhutchins | WilliamDotSI: Might be worth installing/running debsums on some of the binaries. |
| 16:02.28 | WilliamDotSI | NAT without entrance |
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| 16:02.52 | boycottg00gle | NAT is an entrance, too |
| 16:02.59 | tomreyn | that's not isolated. debsums sounds good. |
| 16:03.35 | WilliamDotSI | no |
| 16:03.35 | tomreyn | could also try rkhunter just in case it's something common, but beware of false positives. |
| 16:03.37 | WilliamDotSI | my NAT is not |
| 16:03.40 | WilliamDotSI | entirely not possible |
| 16:03.54 | WilliamDotSI | this is a government network, monitored 24/7 |
| 16:04.17 | WilliamDotSI | i try to install it however |
| 16:04.35 | WilliamDotSI | apt works fine also |
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| 16:04.45 | mischief | doesn't the binary have a buildsha? |
| 16:04.58 | tomreyn | oh right, there can not be malware in government networks. the malware would detect it and automatically disable itself should it be about to violate that policy. </sarcasm> |
| 16:05.00 | mischief | mischief@omicron:/srv/go/src$ file `which ps` |
| 16:05.01 | mischief | /bin/ps: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.26, BuildID[sha1]=0x2ad3e75075ae55c1a8037753c79b29df8e978823, stripped |
| 16:05.02 | WilliamDotSI | debsums shows all as ok |
| 16:05.14 | WilliamDotSI | tomreyn: there can be, however we would detect it at entrynce |
| 16:05.35 | mischief | (i'm on wheezy) |
| 16:05.39 | WilliamDotSI | we have extensive packet logging for multiple weeks, and this system worked until midday today |
| 16:06.00 | WilliamDotSI | i see no connections to anything on its IP in the logs, besides my SSH |
| 16:06.17 | WilliamDotSI | should note that i run NFS and Samba on it, on an internal network interface |
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| 16:07.12 | WilliamDotSI | rkhunter shows all as ok as well |
| 16:08.38 | tomreyn | your debsums check was too fast if you did it just now. |
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| 16:09.31 | WilliamDotSI | just takes a few seconds to run on this system |
| 16:09.34 | WilliamDotSI | should it take longer? |
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| 16:11.06 | tomreyn | should take a couple minutes, depending on how fast the system is and how many packages are installed it might be a bit less. |
| 16:11.41 | WilliamDotSI | not much, like 10 apted packages |
| 16:11.50 | WilliamDotSI | Dual Quadcore, 32G RAM; SSDs |
| 16:12.27 | WilliamDotSI | ps aux now shows me some output |
| 16:12.35 | WilliamDotSI | then just hangs |
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| 16:13.18 | tomreyn | which kernel version? |
| 16:13.24 | mischief | WilliamDotSI: can you strace it? |
| 16:13.31 | WilliamDotSI | Linux storage01 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 16:13.37 | mischief | is proc mounted? |
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| 16:13.46 | WilliamDotSI | yup |
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| 16:14.06 | WilliamDotSI | open("/proc/1723/cmdline", O_RDONLY) = 6 |
| 16:14.06 | WilliamDotSI | read(6, |
| 16:14.14 | WilliamDotSI | via strace |
| 16:14.26 | mischief | it hangs there? |
| 16:14.37 | WilliamDotSI | yep |
| 16:14.43 | WilliamDotSI | but i CAN ctrl+c out of the strace then |
| 16:14.43 | mischief | what is pid 1723? |
| 16:14.48 | WilliamDotSI | which does not work when i run ps aux directly |
| 16:14.52 | WilliamDotSI | if i knew... |
| 16:14.59 | tomreyn | you want: debsums -s -g=all |
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| 16:16.29 | mischief | WilliamDotSI: can you ls -l /proc/1723/exe ? |
| 16:16.38 | WilliamDotSI | shows me a bunch of no deb available tomreyn |
| 16:16.47 | WilliamDotSI | lets see |
| 16:16.52 | WilliamDotSI | nope |
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| 16:17.30 | WilliamDotSI | the only recent change on this system was thew installation of openvpn |
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| 16:18.20 | mischief | WilliamDotSI: as root? |
| 16:18.54 | tomreyn | i meant to say this (but looking into the process may be more useful) : apt-get --reinstall -d install `debsums -l` && debsums -s -g all |
| 16:19.23 | WilliamDotSI | mischief: yes as root |
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| 16:19.34 | mischief | so what is it :) |
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| 16:19.54 | WilliamDotSI | well i dont know what process it is, just dies when i ls it or try grep ps aux |
| 16:20.21 | WilliamDotSI | i could just kill -9 it, but that wont be a great idea i guess |
| 16:20.35 | mischief | sudo ls -l /proc/1723/exe should show you the path to the binary of the program |
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| 16:21.46 | Che-Anarc | Is there a more appropriate location to have /applications that I've built in my ~/ stored for system / global level use? |
| 16:21.48 | WilliamDotSI | it should, yes |
| 16:21.59 | WilliamDotSI | http://i.imgur.com/yJyPu9b.png |
| 16:22.01 | WilliamDotSI | thats what it does |
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| 16:22.22 | mischief | weird |
| 16:22.28 | WilliamDotSI | then i can just close the session |
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| 16:22.45 | mischief | oh |
| 16:22.49 | WilliamDotSI | my munin still works |
| 16:22.55 | mischief | WilliamDotSI: is this binary on a nfs share |
| 16:22.55 | WilliamDotSI | and shows an idle load oif 797 |
| 16:23.08 | mischief | or smb |
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| 16:23.24 | WilliamDotSI | no |
| 16:23.31 | WilliamDotSI | only shares a exported are local, none mounted |
| 16:23.47 | WilliamDotSI | already stopped smbd and nfs kernel server |
| 16:24.02 | WilliamDotSI | munin load graph says 33.48 |
| 16:24.22 | WilliamDotSI | i try to kill -9 it... lets see |
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| 16:24.43 | WilliamDotSI | does not react to kill |
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| 16:25.49 | WilliamDotSI | from dmesg |
| 16:25.50 | WilliamDotSI | [18368.797100] Pid: 1723, comm: python2.6 Tainted: P B O 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 Debian 3.2.46-1 To Be Filled By O.E.M. To Be Filled By O.E.M./B75 Pro3 |
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| 16:26.14 | mischief | :o |
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| 16:28.34 | WilliamDotSI | seems to be a pthon app loaded by init.d, what if i chmod -x the init script and then force reboot? |
| 16:28.39 | jmd | Is there a simple app to test my audio setup? |
| 16:29.10 | WilliamDotSI | but likely it will not get killed entirely, will reboot -f really force a reboot? |
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| 16:30.43 | mumpitzel | !tell jmd about alsa checklist |
| 16:31.32 | jmd | mumpitzel, That doesn't quite answer my question. |
| 16:32.27 | mtn | mumpitzel: don't make him read! |
| 16:32.47 | WilliamDotSI | can i still echo 1 into /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq and b into /proc/sysrq-trigger to force a reset like on 2.6? |
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| 16:33.27 | mischief | WilliamDotSI: could kexec maybe |
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| 16:35.52 | tomreyn | sysrq should wouk, but you might want to just sync + hardware reset |
| 16:36.01 | WilliamDotSI | no access to the HW, thats the issue |
| 16:36.15 | tomreyn | still there could be more that's wrong which gets executed on boot |
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| 16:36.57 | WilliamDotSI | ok sysrq worked |
| 16:37.35 | WilliamDotSI | still very interesting |
| 16:38.17 | WilliamDotSI | i think its related to sabnzbdplus package |
| 16:38.20 | WilliamDotSI | thats what the PID was |
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| 16:39.47 | tomreyn | find out why your kernel is tainted |
| 16:40.37 | WilliamDotSI | im afraid it might be the ZFS module |
| 16:40.43 | WilliamDotSI | but many use that without much issues |
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| 16:41.36 | tomreyn | and many others use it with a lot of issues ;) |
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| 16:42.41 | WilliamDotSI | yea |
| 16:42.57 | tomreyn | please be sure to point it out that you have non-official modules loaded next time you seek help, makes it easier. |
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| 16:49.44 | WilliamDotSI | makes sense yea |
| 16:49.53 | WilliamDotSI | more likely hardware issue though |
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| 16:55.15 | Fran_ | ¿Se puede instalar Wheezy en un monoprocesador 32 bits sin pae? |
| 16:55.39 | Th0masR0ss | !es |
| 16:55.39 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 16:56.00 | Th0masR0ss | Fran_: ^ |
| 16:56.00 | Fran_ | Gracias |
| 16:56.59 | ziyourenxiang | gotta try this: |
| 16:57.00 | ziyourenxiang | !cn |
| 16:57.01 | dpkg | 如果您想要得到中文的協助，請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道，加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號)，謝謝您的合作! |
| 16:57.08 | ziyourenxiang | xiexie |
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| 17:00.56 | WilliamDotSI | hm there actually was an nfs share mounted, remove dit now, elts see |
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| 17:23.09 | SmashingX | how can I monitor a change in the output of a command, for example whenever the output of the command who changes and I can be able to log it |
| 17:23.51 | SmashingX | zh? |
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| 17:25.47 | jelly-home | SmashingX: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes |
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| 17:26.45 | l2volume | people in #alsa are asleep, would any of you good men know how to get rid of the discrepency in volume levels between users? One user has alsamixer on max, but can't hear anything, because another doesn't. |
| 17:26.52 | SmashingX | thanks jelly-home |
| 17:27.19 | SmashingX | I know that I can use watch to see in the short term a change in any output |
| 17:27.25 | SmashingX | but how can I log it? |
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| 17:28.15 | snollux | Hey hey hey! So I'm just trying to make my first .deb package, and it works OK so far for moving the requisite .py files to the right directories, but I'm not sure what to do with this C file in there. Do I precompile it as a binary, or can I include a makefile to compile it on the user's system (latter sounds better) ? |
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| 17:28.55 | jordanm | snollux: the later is not better. does upstream not provide a build system? eg a setup.py file |
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| 17:29.28 | snollux | no, it's just few python scripts and a C wrapper for permissions I made |
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| 17:30.58 | jordanm | snollux: then start by creating a build system |
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| 17:31.17 | jordanm | snollux: http://docs.python.org/2/distutils/index.html#distutils-index |
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| 17:34.15 | l2volume | How to get rid of the discrepency in volume levels between users? One user has alsamixer on max, but can hardly hear anything, because another has it low. |
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| 17:37.22 | zangaroo | hi |
| 17:38.06 | zangaroo | is it possible to install chromium from debian repos to ubuntu ? |
| 17:38.10 | darsie|3 | How do I make iceweasel my default browser (instead of konqueror)? |
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| 17:38.18 | darsie|3 | in kde, if that matters. |
| 17:38.41 | RadoQ | zangaroo, debian != ubuntu. |
| 17:38.45 | mischief | sigh. |
| 17:38.46 | mischief | http://www.coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-computers/ |
| 17:38.49 | snollux | in that case, if I can have the binary already compiled and want to now include it in my package, I get a "dpkg-source: cannot represent change to {new binary file}: binary files changed" .. Do I need to clear something / reset something to add it in? |
| 17:38.50 | RadoQ | zangaroo, #ubuntu |
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| 17:38.58 | zangaroo | RadoQ i know that |
| 17:39.08 | zangaroo | im just tired of waiting for updates |
| 17:39.17 | RadoQ | grins. |
| 17:39.26 | RadoQ | Go back to debian. :) |
| 17:39.31 | zangaroo | LOL |
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| 17:40.14 | zangaroo | meh kinda of stuck. i just did a full install as it is |
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| 17:40.30 | l2volume | nobody has multiple users using alsa? |
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| 17:44.23 | SmashingX | how can I monitor a change in the output of a command, for example whenever the output of the command who changes and I can be able to log it |
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| 17:46.41 | mischief | write a program |
| 17:47.27 | WilliamDotSI | mischief: i found the problem most likely |
| 17:47.33 | WilliamDotSI | seems a RAM module is fading away |
| 17:47.51 | WilliamDotSI | more than the ECC can cover |
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| 17:55.30 | crumb | where's /etc/init.d/pptpd? |
| 17:55.36 | crumb | i only see pptpd-dns |
| 17:56.22 | verysoftoiletppr | is there anything wrong with this sources.list? http://ix.io/7fV |
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| 17:56.44 | mumpitzel | crumb: pptp is dead. it's broken |
| 17:56.50 | crumb | what |
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| 17:57.20 | d0m | hi |
| 17:57.56 | mumpitzel | crumb: for example http://www.h-online.com/security/features/A-death-blow-for-PPTP-1716768.html |
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| 17:59.01 | mumpitzel | crumb: and for the file you seek: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=pptpd&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
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| 18:01.30 | bullgard4 | verysoftoiletppr: I cannot see anything wrong. |
| 18:01.59 | mumpitzel | verysoftoiletppr: describe your actually encountered problems |
| 18:02.23 | mumpitzel | crumb: you you should never track "stable". replace the word by "wheezy" |
| 18:02.45 | mumpitzel | sorry, that should be for verysoftoiletppr |
| 18:03.07 | moxie | how do you write to NTFS |
| 18:04.19 | l2volume | moxie, you install ntfs-3g i think |
| 18:04.35 | mumpitzel | !tell moxie about ntfsrw |
| 18:05.05 | moxie | thanks |
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| 18:06.16 | moxie | why does the kernel support writing |
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| 18:06.43 | moxie | doesnt |
| 18:07.11 | verysoftoiletppr | bullgard4 mumpitzel no problems, just confirming |
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| 18:07.39 | mumpitzel | moxie: it does CONFIG_NTFS_RW=y |
| 18:07.55 | moxie | then why did i just install ntfs-3g |
| 18:07.57 | mumpitzel | verysoftoiletppr: replace "stable" in the first line then |
| 18:08.05 | moxie | why does ntfs-3g still exist |
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| 18:10.07 | verysoftoiletppr | mumpitzel with what? |
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| 18:11.11 | suy | verysoftoiletppr: wheezy, I presume |
| 18:11.12 | crumb | mumpitzel: i just need it for gaming |
| 18:11.18 | crumb | so i don't care about security |
| 18:11.45 | mechanicalduck | wine? crossover? |
| 18:11.49 | mumpitzel | verysoftoiletppr: wheezy |
| 18:11.56 | verysoftoiletppr | tks |
| 18:11.58 | mechanicalduck | crumb: you want to play windows games on linux? |
| 18:12.02 | crumb | no |
| 18:12.06 | mumpitzel | crumb: it's not security, but data corruption |
| 18:12.11 | crumb | i'm trying to setup a vpn for gaming |
| 18:12.28 | mumpitzel | ah. pptp |
| 18:12.37 | mumpitzel | gaming for what? |
| 18:12.52 | mechanicalduck | pptp = insecure, ms crap |
| 18:12.53 | mumpitzel | some old stuff that needs "LAN" and can't do internet? |
| 18:12.55 | mechanicalduck | read about it |
| 18:13.02 | crumb | trying to lower ping to u.s. server |
| 18:13.25 | mechanicalduck | there are services where one can stream the game over internet from a high performance game server farm |
| 18:13.29 | mechanicalduck | maybe a good thing for you? |
| 18:13.41 | mumpitzel | crumb: a VPN doesn't lower pings, it increases them |
| 18:13.59 | crumb | mumpitzel: that's why i decided to go with something with less overhead |
| 18:14.10 | crumb | i'm in australia you see |
| 18:14.16 | crumb | and i have a vps in california |
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| 18:15.04 | mumpitzel | use a SOCKS server then. even less overhead |
| 18:15.04 | mechanicalduck | OK, I got the following (Debian Wheezy amd64) during the first boot: [warning] Creating compatibility symlink from /etc/mtab to /proc/mounts [warning] |
| 18:15.09 | mechanicalduck | there must be a reason for this, right? |
| 18:15.16 | crumb | mechanicalduck: socks is tcp isn't it? |
| 18:15.33 | moxie | you arent going to lower your ping |
| 18:15.51 | crumb | so how do these services like lowerping.com do it |
| 18:16.10 | crumb | i usually get 400ms, with lowerping, i get about 150-200ms |
| 18:16.19 | mumpitzel | yes. socks is tcp only |
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| 18:16.48 | crumb | anyway, i'm just trying to run some tests to see if it works |
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| 18:17.06 | crumb | also, how do you force pptp to use udp only |
| 18:17.22 | mumpitzel | crumb: you can't cheat the speed of light. |
| 18:17.24 | x05h | sudo pptp --udp ;) |
| 18:17.39 | crumb | x05h: would that be on the client side? |
| 18:17.49 | mumpitzel | what you can do, is doing QoS (buying QoS rather) on seacables |
| 18:17.52 | x05h | crumb: hahaha that was a joke, sorry |
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| 18:18.01 | crumb | k |
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| 18:18.48 | moxie | crumb, well you can encapsulate a protocol in another and remove all the handshaking traffic and overhead |
| 18:18.53 | mechanicalduck | anyone? |
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| 18:19.11 | moxie | not directly encapsulation i forget what tis called...an accelerator |
| 18:19.15 | mumpitzel | mechanicalduck: update or new installation? |
| 18:19.31 | crumb | i can't seem to find ipip for windoze |
| 18:19.34 | mumpitzel | moxie: acceleration of UDP? |
| 18:19.42 | mechanicalduck | mumpitzel: bare metal installation (from scratch) |
| 18:19.46 | mumpitzel | crumb: ask a ##windows channel |
| 18:19.51 | moxie | i dont know about udp |
| 18:20.21 | moxie | lowerping.com is probably TCP only |
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| 18:21.44 | moxie | it also uses tcp nodelay |
| 18:22.01 | moxie | sounds like stunnel without encryption |
| 18:22.05 | moxie | not sure about compression |
| 18:22.28 | moxie | give it a shot on your own |
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| 18:23.21 | psichas | hi all, i recompiled kernel, but i don't understand what i did wrong but with my kernel i can't mount fat32 and ntfs partitions from my disk, so who know how to fix this ? |
| 18:23.28 | mechanicalduck | OK, I got the following (Debian Wheezy amd64) during the first boot: [warning] Creating compatibility symlink from /etc/mtab to /proc/mounts [warning] |
| 18:23.32 | mechanicalduck | what does this mean??? |
| 18:24.02 | moxie | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.11 | moxie | so now they make it a symlink to /proc/mounts |
| 18:24.17 | moxie | based...on reading what it says |
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| 18:27.12 | sharky | psichas, you have not compiled the needed modules for those file systems, normally best way is to enable those modules in your .config and compile again |
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| 18:27.51 | sharky | psichas, or if you have compiled them then load them with modprobe or insmod /path/to/module.ko |
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| 18:30.09 | sharky | 1337 |
| 18:30.10 | mumpitzel | psichas: why did you compile your own kernel? what reason? |
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| 18:30.29 | Th0masR0ss | debhelper: 1337? Really? |
| 18:30.48 | psichas | i have k8 processor but kernel with intel pro slower |
| 18:31.16 | mumpitzel | then use a debian .config file and run a make oldconfig |
| 18:31.22 | mumpitzel | then you won't miss vital filesystems |
| 18:31.31 | psichas | so i want just more speed but my own kernel just don;t working well |
| 18:32.11 | psichas | ok |
| 18:32.21 | psichas | mumpitzel just make oldconfig? |
| 18:32.53 | sharky | mumpitzel, do you know where one can get the debian .config of lets say latest compiled kernel for debian (from testing or so) |
| 18:32.53 | mumpitzel | and after that make menuconfig to change the things you want, like change to a different cpu |
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| 18:33.17 | mumpitzel | sharky: in your /boot/ there is a config* file for each kernel you have installed |
| 18:33.30 | mumpitzel | this file is in every debian kernel package you can install |
| 18:33.38 | psichas | mumpitzel i understood that step, but make oldconfig will restore debian settings? :) |
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| 18:34.13 | sharky | but if I don't have installed kernel, or want a later version for compatibility reasons? |
| 18:34.17 | mumpitzel | no. you copy an existing debian kernel config file to your kernel sources tree |
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| 18:34.37 | mumpitzel | psichas: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4178526/what-does-make-oldconfig-do-exactly-linux-kernel-makefile |
| 18:35.02 | mumpitzel | sharky: install a newer kernel from backports if you want a newer kernel |
| 18:35.21 | psichas | hmm, so if i want default settings i need load system with default debian kernel, and just make oldconfig, right? mumpitzel |
| 18:35.30 | mumpitzel | no |
| 18:35.32 | mumpitzel | read the link |
| 18:35.39 | psichas | ok i read |
| 18:35.46 | exorcist | Can anyone help me install debian image using complste linux installer on my asus nexus 7 tablet i get permission denied error |
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| 18:36.20 | sharky | I am experimenting on one machine here so some time ago I started compiling kernels myself, it was because a driver was not supported in current kernel I needed latest |
| 18:38.06 | psichas | mumpitzel very short answer, so ok, what i need do now? |
| 18:38.27 | sharky | then I realized that the newer kernel have newer options in .config |
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| 18:38.52 | mumpitzel | psichas: take an existing debian /boot/config* file and use it for your kernel compile |
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| 18:40.25 | psichas | i found mumpitzel ok, so where copy it in the kernel source ? |
| 18:40.28 | jmd | I can't get any application to record audio. I know my microphone works, because it makes lots of feedback when I turn the volume up. |
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| 18:40.54 | mumpitzel | psichas: as your .config file |
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| 18:41.58 | titiritero | hello guys |
| 18:42.02 | sharky | psichas, copy it in the root/main directory where your kernel source is |
| 18:42.23 | titiritero | I need help... for install xephyr on debian stable 7. |
| 18:42.42 | titiritero | how make xephyr on debian ? |
| 18:43.01 | titiritero | sorry, my english is bad... but I need help |
| 18:43.18 | sharky | jmd, you can check your audio settings with $ alsamixer |
| 18:43.51 | mumpitzel | ,v xephyr |
| 18:43.53 | judd | No package named 'xephyr' was found in i386. |
| 18:44.01 | mumpitzel | hmm.. it existed before :( |
| 18:44.14 | psichas | ok, mumpitzel rename this poied file o just make oldconfig will do everything? |
| 18:44.23 | mumpitzel | ,v xserver-xephyr |
| 18:44.24 | judd | Package: xserver-xephyr on i386 -- squeeze: 2:1.7.7-14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2:1.7.7-16; squeeze-security: 2:1.7.7-16; squeeze-backports: 2:1.10.4-1~bpo60+1; jessie: 2:1.12.4-6; wheezy: 2:1.12.4-6; sid: 2:1.12.4-6.1; experimental: 2:1.14.2.901-2 |
| 18:44.29 | titiritero | a package name "bicefalo" is a xephyr |
| 18:44.37 | moxie | mumpitzel, FAIL |
| 18:44.37 | mumpitzel | titiritero: no need to "make" xephyr, it already exists |
| 18:44.44 | mumpitzel | moxie: ? |
| 18:44.54 | titiritero | mumpitzel: ... I install xephyr... but I not know configure |
| 18:44.55 | moxie | :P |
| 18:44.57 | jmd | Sharky, Can I? What exactly do you mean "audio settings" ? How should they be set? |
| 18:44.59 | titiritero | gdm and xorg.. |
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| 18:45.15 | titiritero | mumpitzel: you use xephyr ?= |
| 18:45.21 | mumpitzel | no |
| 18:45.31 | titiritero | :( |
| 18:45.31 | titiritero | ok |
| 18:45.47 | mumpitzel | I suggest you describe the actual problem you want to solve |
| 18:46.11 | titiritero | hehehe my english is bad... :P |
| 18:46.23 | titiritero | I so speak spanish :P |
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| 18:46.49 | sharky | jmd, have you run the command, it is not complicated, you can move left right and increase/decrease volume, mic input ... |
| 18:46.53 | moondog | how bad of an idea would it be to install Debian with the standard Gnome desktop and then install xfce, lxde, and KDE right along-side it? |
| 18:47.09 | mumpitzel | moondog: dead easy |
| 18:47.09 | rozie | not bad at all |
| 18:47.14 | moondog | cool |
| 18:47.23 | moondog | thanks! |
| 18:47.52 | jmd | Sharky I worked that much out. Exactly which mic input is the one I need to set? and what other settings do I need to set, in order to enable recording? |
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| 18:48.18 | titiritero | I running debian stable 7 on old pc. Amd 1 ghz and 1 gb ram... I use nvidia 8400gs use VGA and DVI |
| 18:48.43 | titiritero | I install xserver-xephyr and donwload bicefalo package |
| 18:49.04 | mumpitzel | what for? |
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| 18:49.39 | titiritero | I follow the bicefalo install graphic |
| 18:50.00 | sharky | jmd, make everything high (if you don't know which one) to be sure, then test recording |
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| 18:50.10 | titiritero | :( |
| 18:50.10 | titiritero | and. install... but not running my desktop virtual |
| 18:50.12 | DarkPlayer | Hello, i am currently creating a package and wanted to ask what would be the correct way to determine if a recommended package is installed when executing preinst or if the user started apt-get with --no-install-recommends? |
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| 18:50.53 | sharky | jmd, check out here for a howto http://linuxconfig.org/how-to-test-microphone-with-audio-linux-sound-architecture-alsa |
| 18:50.55 | jmd | sharky: If I were to put Everything high, then I would off course get a horrible amount of feedback that I spoke of. |
| 18:51.09 | jmd | How exactly do I "test recording"? |
| 18:51.13 | titiritero | bicefalo make two user on my computer "seat1 and seat2" |
| 18:51.42 | titiritero | but, I star user seat1... not run the desktop |
| 18:51.44 | sharky | jmd, see the link, arecored and then aplay |
| 18:52.10 | mumpitzel | titiritero: what do you get instead? |
| 18:52.14 | sharky | jmd, once you have it working you can adjust your options to be optimal |
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| 18:53.16 | titiritero | mumpitzel: |
| 18:53.18 | titiritero | http://code.google.com/p/multiseat-wizard-bicefalo/wiki/Manual |
| 18:53.19 | titiritero | and |
| 18:53.31 | titiritero | http://code.google.com/p/multiseat-wizard-bicefalo/downloads/list |
| 18:53.47 | titiritero | I get bicefalo. and run sh install.sh |
| 18:53.52 | jmd | Well thats the thing. I don't seem to be able to get it working. So optimisation doesn't enter into it yet. |
| 18:54.10 | mumpitzel | titiritero: answer my question. what do you get when "not run the desktop" |
| 18:54.18 | titiritero | bicefalo run on my pc, but not funtion |
| 18:54.29 | titiritero | yes mumpitzel |
| 18:54.39 | titiritero | the bicefalo create 3 user |
| 18:54.44 | mumpitzel | !enter |
| 18:54.44 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 18:54.49 | titiritero | multiseat seat1 and seat2 |
| 18:55.06 | jmd | arecord records nothing but silence. Not even noise. |
| 18:55.18 | mumpitzel | titiritero: most likely it all goes sideways cause this is a ubuntu only software. but you need starting to answer my actual question if you want help |
| 18:56.22 | titiritero | mumpitzel: I test bicefalo on ubuntu 13.04 and debian 7 |
| 18:56.46 | sharky | jmd, then there is something strange |
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| 18:57.23 | sashman | does 'tab' surfing works in weasel at ure place??? |
| 18:57.31 | jmd | yes |
| 18:57.42 | sashman | mhh |
| 18:58.17 | GNU\colossus | hmm, how can I generate a list of packages that depends on or suggests/recommends a specific other package? (case in point: i965-va-driver) |
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| 18:59.36 | sharky | jmd, have you checked the other commands to be sure your system detects your audio card like $ cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 19:00.14 | jmd | Well it tells me there is A sound card. |
| 19:00.25 | zykotick9 | GNU\colossus: "apt-cache depends i965-va-driver" and "apt-cache rdepends i965-va-driver" should show you |
| 19:00.32 | sharky | jmd, also I suppose you tried that command to record? arecord -d 10 /tmp/test-mic.wav |
| 19:00.52 | jmd | Yes. Like I said, it records 10 seconds of silence. |
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| 19:01.09 | GNU\colossus | zykotick9, thanks. |
| 19:01.35 | sharky | if you have multiple audio inputs change your mic input |
| 19:02.14 | GNU\colossus | hmm, strange - there doesn't seem to be a single package in the repo that depends in that package? |
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| 19:03.42 | yunosound | have sound using nmplayer, but nowhere else (including gnome-mplayer). ideas? |
| 19:03.46 | snollux | question: If i'm trying to make a .deb control file for a package, and my uname says "Linux VirtualBox 3.5.0-17-generic #28-Ubuntu SMP i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux", what do I put in the control file to indicate the .deb is for this general kind of archicecture? |
| 19:03.50 | yunosound | *mplayer |
| 19:04.05 | mumpitzel | snollux: then you go to #ubuntu |
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| 19:04.26 | snollux | ah OK. I thought the DPKG/deb related stuff was a Debian thing but I can do that |
| 19:04.32 | snollux | :) |
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| 19:10.54 | thowe | How do I add the 32 bit version of libXext.so.6 to an amd64 system? With libc I just picked the i386 package, but I don't see something like that for libXext |
| 19:11.26 | jordanm | ,file libXext.so.6 |
| 19:11.30 | judd | Search for libXext.so.6 in wheezy/i386: libxext6: usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXext.so.6 |
| 19:11.45 | jordanm | !tell thowe about multiarch |
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| 19:14.20 | thowe | dpkg? That doesn't conflict with apt? |
| 19:14.45 | musca | apt uses dpkg |
| 19:14.55 | thowe | ah |
| 19:15.08 | musca | it's like left and right hand working together. |
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| 19:16.28 | thowe | OK, so I added the i386 architecture, but that didn't get me any more libs... |
| 19:16.34 | thowe | At least nit for libXext |
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| 19:17.03 | mumpitzel | it does if you call apt with the proper arguments. the factoid pointed you the to documentation. read it |
| 19:17.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | eww, reading |
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| 19:18.26 | thowe | OK, sorry, had to go through a couple more links... |
| 19:18.31 | thowe | Thanks for the tip. |
| 19:19.27 | thowe | Cool, that did the trick! Many thanks! |
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| 19:36.29 | verysoftoiletppr | I've installed trasmission on whezzy via debian repos but the configuration file contains a legacy option which is for a much older version and there are 2 other settings missing |
| 19:36.49 | verysoftoiletppr | should this be reported somehow? |
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| 19:38.54 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | so I installed iceweasel from mozilla.debian.net//experimental once |
| 19:39.03 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | and now the version in security is newer |
| 19:39.11 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | but the package won't auto-upgrade |
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| 19:39.45 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | how do I make apt(itude) forget the NotAutomatic without purge/install ? |
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| 19:51.34 | roger21 | is bootlogd useful? |
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| 19:53.39 | bullgard4 | verysoftoiletppr: Yes, this should be reported. I recommend using the program »Reportbug-NG« for this purpose. |
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| 19:54.35 | bullgard4 | roger21: I find it useful for new hardware. |
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| 19:55.36 | bmomjian | In squeeze, this returns a match: echo "ab" | grep '[A-Z]', while this does not: echo "ab" | grep A. This is with a UTF8 LANG; LANG=C makes neither match. I was not aware LANG controlled ranges, but not strings. Is that expected? |
| 19:56.02 | peterS | bmomjian: expected in the sense that the behavior is intentional, yes |
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| 19:56.16 | peterS | bmomjian: _un_expected in that it causes bugs because nobody thinks about it: also true |
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| 19:56.49 | poorrick | Ok, can someone clear something up for me |
| 19:56.51 | bmomjian | ok, exactly what I thought; I see the grep docs mentioning it, but was unaware of it until now |
| 19:56.51 | peterS | bmomjian: this is one reason I 'export LC_COLLATE=C' in my .bashrc |
| 19:56.58 | poorrick | Concerning Kernel mode setting |
| 19:57.00 | bmomjian | yes, I can imagine why now |
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| 19:57.16 | verysoftoiletppr | bullgard4 http://reportbug-ng.alioth.debian.org/index.html it's supposed to be user friendly, but how do I download it? |
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| 19:57.30 | peterS | bmomjian: (the other reason is so 'ls -l' sorts A-Z before a-z, as I want it to) |
| 19:57.49 | verysoftoiletppr | oh, I get it, |
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| 19:58.28 | bmomjian | oh, interesting, 'find' does not behave that way for ranges |
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| 20:00.40 | fenhir | how does this ssh-ControlMaster/ControlPath work? any quick help or an howto? |
| 20:00.40 | bmomjian | same with sed, it does not honor the locale for character classes |
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| 20:01.13 | peterS | bmomjian: interesting |
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| 20:01.59 | poorrick | dammit |
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| 20:03.33 | jelly-home | fenhir: it works reasonably well, except with autossh where it totally breaks the functionality |
| 20:04.24 | jelly-home | it's pretty straightforward to set up from what the manual says |
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| 20:04.47 | shunzik | will Debian adept Wayland? |
| 20:04.49 | fenhir | jelly-home: nice... but it seems i am too dumb for it. i tried ssh -M user@host... then another ssh user@host... but it seems it is a new connection |
| 20:05.39 | bmomjian | How do I find what Debian version fixed this bug? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=655293 |
| 20:05.55 | jelly-home | fenhir: the other ssh had to use the same ControlPath. The easiest thing to do is to put both in .ssh/config |
| 20:06.26 | fenhir | jelly-home: yes i am at man 5 ssh_config |
| 20:06.33 | bmomjian | basically, is the fix now coming to Squeeze? |
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| 20:06.39 | bmomjian | s/now/not/ |
| 20:06.45 | HellOMind | how I can disable a service/Daemon with insserv? |
| 20:06.48 | peterS | squeeze has grep 2.6 so I guess that's a no |
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| 20:06.59 | bmomjian | ok, thanks |
| 20:07.23 | fenhir | jelly-home: at "ControlPath"... but how should it look? it should be a socket/socket-file? |
| 20:08.34 | fenhir | oh wait... i dont have a ~/.ssh/config |
| 20:08.42 | peterS | fenhir: I have ControlPath ~/.ssh/sock_%r@%h:%p |
| 20:08.46 | peterS | in my .ssh/config |
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| 20:09.08 | jelly-home | fenhir: in addition, I want to make ssh use the same connection for both short name and fqdn, so: http://jebo.me/pas/7 |
| 20:09.10 | peterS | %r meaning remote username, %h remote hostname, %p remote port |
| 20:09.14 | fenhir | peterS: ahhh... if that works... it is what i search. thanks |
| 20:09.24 | HellOMind | guys in wheezy how should I disable a daemon startup at boot? |
| 20:09.25 | musca | HellOMind: i get results putting your exect question in the google searchbox. |
| 20:09.35 | peterS | fenhir: the reason to use those % are to make sure ssh doestn' try to use the same socket for connections to different places |
| 20:09.38 | jelly-home | fenhir: where ~/.ssh/sockets/ is a precreated directory |
| 20:09.45 | HellOMind | the coorect way musca there are many ways |
| 20:09.53 | HellOMind | which is the correct recommended |
| 20:10.16 | fenhir | ok. thanks you both... i am trying now |
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| 20:10.34 | jelly-home | didn't like filling ~/.ssh/ with crap |
| 20:10.41 | musca | !disable services |
| 20:10.41 | dpkg | From update-rc.d(8): «A common system administration error is to delete the links with the though that this will disable the service…. However, if all links have been deleted then the next time the package is upgraded, the package's postinst … will reinstall links at their factory default locations.» Use «update-rc.d $service disable» instead. |
| 20:10.43 | HellOMind | musca can you give me what you found? |
| 20:10.57 | HellOMind | but thats old |
| 20:11.14 | HellOMind | now we use insserv |
| 20:11.42 | HellOMind | doing insserv -r daemon maybe works but if you do insserver -d will restore all |
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| 20:12.02 | HellOMind | doing insserv -r is the recommended way to disable a services/daemon ? |
| 20:12.20 | musca | !insserv |
| 20:12.20 | dpkg | insserv is a dependency-based <init> system that is compatible with <sysvinit> and is the default from squeeze onwards. To use insserv, your init scripts need to have tags at the top of them that describe what they depend on, to permit the correct ordering of the init scripts; ask me about <missing lsb tags>. |
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| 20:12.54 | HellOMind | Cant we edit the daemon startup script and put something in there like #disable? |
| 20:13.03 | HellOMind | that survives the -d? |
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| 20:13.25 | nag | anyone have a wheezy xfce4-terminal which exhibits runaway memory usage? a cursory internet search turns up nothing |
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| 20:13.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell HellOMind -about disable service |
| 20:13.35 | ukwiz | how do I partition 2 disks during debian installation? |
| 20:14.13 | HellOMind | pkg: tell HellOMind -about disable service |
| 20:14.15 | HellOMind | dpkg: tell HellOMind -about disable service |
| 20:14.30 | HellOMind | -_- |
| 20:14.32 | HellOMind | i know that |
| 20:14.43 | HellOMind | bah useless |
| 20:14.43 | stree | bah |
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| 20:14.59 | musca | HellOMind: does it work for you? |
| 20:15.07 | HellOMind | no |
| 20:15.08 | stree | musca: uploading to work hard at a time |
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| 20:15.23 | HellOMind | doing it manually isnt should be the recommended way |
| 20:15.25 | babilen | HellOMind: You should have received a private message from our bot that explains how to disable services. Didn't you receive it? |
| 20:15.35 | babilen | dpkg: disable service |
| 20:15.35 | dpkg | From update-rc.d(8): «A common system administration error is to delete the links with the though that this will disable the service…. However, if all links have been deleted then the next time the package is upgraded, the package's postinst … will reinstall links at their factory default locations.» Use «update-rc.d $service disable» instead. |
| 20:15.46 | nag | from top after leaving xfce4-terminal open all night: 2236 8874m 6.8g 3480 S 17.5 87.1 222:56.18 xfce4-terminal |
| 20:15.49 | HellOMind | yeah, I can disable the service shooting at the server too ... |
| 20:15.50 | babilen | HellOMind: That one ^^^ Please check windows/tabs in your IRC client |
| 20:16.07 | HellOMind | but thats old i said |
| 20:16.20 | HellOMind | now you manage the services with insserv |
| 20:16.21 | babilen | HellOMind: I wouldn't recommend shooting at your servers |
| 20:16.38 | ukwiz | I have 2 drives. how can I partition both of them during install? |
| 20:16.39 | HellOMind | You should recommend neither using update.rc-d |
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| 20:17.16 | bariho | can I use a virtual machine (virtualbox) to install debian to an usb drive and then use that installation with a physical machine? |
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| 20:17.26 | jelly-home | bariho: yes |
| 20:17.37 | bariho | k, thanks |
| 20:17.54 | peterS | seems like it should work. so should debootstrap though, which doesn't need vb |
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| 20:18.30 | jelly-home | bariho: there might be issues concerning drivers not being properly set up (missing wireless firmware comes to mind), depending on actual physical hardware |
| 20:19.21 | babilen | HellOMind: The *correct* way to disable a service is to use "update-rc.d FOO disable" |
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| 20:19.43 | HellOMind | babilen what for exist insserv then :(? |
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| 20:20.39 | babilen | HellOMind: insserv takes care of ordering enabled services based on their dependencies. |
| 20:20.42 | moxie | update-rc.d is great |
| 20:21.12 | musca | HellOMind: from manpage: DESCRIPTION: insserv is a low level tool used by update-rc.d which enables an installed system init script |
| 20:21.23 | HellOMind | :( |
| 20:21.26 | babilen | HellOMind: The "insserv -r" command you referred to earlier simply removes the currently installed symlink. It does not prevent the service to reappear at a later date. |
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| 20:21.54 | HellOMind | Ok, thank you very much babilen |
| 20:22.09 | babilen | yw |
| 20:22.11 | moxie | whats cooler |
| 20:22.19 | moxie | 7.1 or saucy salamander |
| 20:22.32 | ukwiz | is there any documentation on setting up lvm with 2 disks during installation? |
| 20:22.35 | moxie | i think 7.1 is much more professional |
| 20:22.47 | moxie | saucy salamander sounds like its for children |
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| 20:22.53 | moxie | to eat |
| 20:23.01 | jelly-home | moxie: so call it 13.10 |
| 20:23.17 | babilen | moxie: People are free to use whatever they want and given that this is #debian we, naturally, think that Debian is a sensible and good choice. |
| 20:23.30 | moxie | :D |
| 20:23.38 | moxie | and for adults |
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| 20:24.15 | jelly-home | moxie: you don't have to call debian's releases by codenames either... but they get pushed to you because all the updates and repositories used them |
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| 20:25.01 | moxie | what are debians releases |
| 20:25.09 | jelly-home | so compare 7.1 to 13.10, or wheezy and jessie to raring ringtails and saucy salamanders |
| 20:25.24 | moxie | whats after wheezy |
| 20:25.29 | jelly-home | jessie |
| 20:25.31 | KnownSyntax | ^ |
| 20:25.38 | moxie | and whats after jessie |
| 20:25.47 | jelly-home | !release names |
| 20:25.47 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7.0; 2013-05-04). The next release will be Jessie. http://debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch |
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| 20:25.56 | n1md4 | hi. i have created an ssh tunnel, to allow access on port 80 on a private LAN across the internet. But, I get this error when trying to connect to localhost:9090 on my laptop "channel 3: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused" |
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| 20:26.26 | n1md4 | not a debian question, I know, but I'm hoping someone could help |
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| 20:26.53 | erore | I installed xfce4. How do I make it start on boot automatically? |
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| 20:27.17 | jelly-home | n1md4: can you show how you created the tunnel, which endpoint is the laptop, ssh client or ssh server, and at which endpoint are you trying to "connect to localhost:9090?" |
| 20:28.29 | moxie | im using testing |
| 20:28.34 | moxie | what release is that |
| 20:28.49 | jelly-home | moxie: jessie |
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| 20:28.58 | moxie | cool |
| 20:28.58 | ukwiz | well, that is 2 hours wasted trying to install debian |
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| 20:29.08 | moxie | jelly, how do i use unstable ? |
| 20:29.30 | jelly-home | moxie: the canonical answer to that question is: if you have to ask, don't |
| 20:29.42 | moxie | i just want the answer |
| 20:29.48 | moxie | i hate Canonical |
| 20:29.56 | moxie | i boycott that rubbish |
| 20:30.02 | jelly-home | it's also an English word. |
| 20:30.40 | moxie | !unstable |
| 20:30.41 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
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| 20:31.15 | jelly-home | see! Even the bot agrees. |
| 20:31.23 | ukwiz | at least canonical is installable |
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| 20:31.59 | moxie | ukwiz, why didnt it install |
| 20:32.08 | moxie | jelly-home, are you always condescending? |
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| 20:32.36 | jelly-home | moxie: sometimes I forget to be |
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| 20:33.31 | moxie | my ego pffts |
| 20:33.47 | ukwiz | moxie: the partitioning doesn't work properly |
| 20:34.55 | moxie | hmm |
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| 20:35.10 | moxie | are you doing something complicated? |
| 20:35.24 | jelly-home | moxie: seriously, I won't give you an explicit answer for that in this channel. Read /msg dpkg sid faq (and the other stuff bot mentions) if you really want to know |
| 20:35.47 | ukwiz | moxie: just trying to setup on 2 disks - ideally with lvm |
| 20:36.07 | moxie | jelly-home, i did...i think testing is fine |
| 20:36.31 | moxie | ukwiz, you want to raid? |
| 20:36.39 | moxie | or LVM on two disks |
| 20:37.10 | ukwiz | moxie: lvm on 2 disks system on one, home on the other |
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| 20:38.10 | ukwiz | moxie: lvm on 2 disks system on one, home on the other |
| 20:38.30 | moxie | oh |
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| 20:38.53 | n1md4 | jelly-home: thanks for the response. I'll try and get something up on pastebin |
| 20:39.41 | moxie | ukwiz, hmm, so you want two seperate LVMs |
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| 20:39.50 | moxie | then just install on one disk |
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| 20:40.01 | moxie | then create another LVM on the other, create home, and make it mount as home |
| 20:40.25 | moxie | you can tell it to put all files in one partition and use LVM iirc |
| 20:40.31 | moxie | that makes it real easy to do what you want to do |
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| 20:41.17 | moxie | i doubt the installer supports multiple VGs |
| 20:41.35 | bullgard4 | [Wheezy] What is the proper way to terminate X11VNC Server? Is it '~$ x11vnc -xrandr exit'? |
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| 20:42.11 | moxie | i doubt it |
| 20:42.15 | moxie | does it work? |
| 20:42.32 | jelly-home | ukwiz: the classic, conservative approach would be to format the OS disk with two partitions, one for /boot, one for a PV; the second disk could be used whole as a PV, but that has to be done manually since the installer doesn't really expect you to use the whole disk as PV. |
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| 20:42.46 | jelly-home | bullgard4: just ^C it |
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| 20:42.59 | bullgard4 | hm |
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| 20:43.15 | ukwiz | moxie: the installer doesn't even support 2 disks in normal installation |
| 20:43.28 | jelly-home | bullgard4: normally it exits on its own after a vnc client disconnects |
| 20:43.31 | moxie | raid only i guess |
| 20:43.54 | moxie | yes unless you have --forever |
| 20:44.00 | jhutchins | bullgard4: How are you starting it? Isn't it an internal xorg module? |
| 20:44.06 | bullgard4 | jelly-home: Good to know. |
| 20:44.27 | jelly-home | bullgard4: well... have you even tried using it, just once? |
| 20:44.37 | bullgard4 | jhutchins: I am using Xfce. There is a menu item to start it. |
| 20:45.01 | jhutchins | bullgard4: Very different from what I last used then. |
| 20:45.11 | bullgard4 | jelly-home: Yes sir. |
| 20:45.24 | jelly-home | bullgard4: did it exit on its own or not? |
| 20:45.27 | moxie | ukwiz, if everything just worked...you wouldnt have to learn anything or gain any new insights |
| 20:45.43 | bullgard4 | jelly-home: It did not exit on its own. |
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| 20:46.02 | jhutchins | bullgard4: You may have to resort to documentation on this one. |
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| 20:46.54 | ukwiz | very true. At least I know that it isn't worth changing from my Mint system to debian |
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| 20:46.59 | bullgard4 | jhutchins: I read it's manpage in parts. There I found a line. Thus I am asking. |
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| 20:48.13 | jelly-home | bullgard4: if you used the menu entry, did you try clicking on the systray icon? |
| 20:48.28 | bullgard4 | no |
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| 20:48.42 | jelly-home | try it! |
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| 20:49.12 | bullgard4 | jelly-home: Eureka! That's it! -- Thank you very much for your help. |
| 20:49.23 | jhutchins | ukwiz: We're absolutely crushed. |
| 20:49.33 | jelly-home | \o/ |
| 20:49.55 | jelly-home | bullgard4: I confess I only used it from the command line until now |
| 20:50.19 | bullgard4 | jelly-home: I am a friend of GUIs. |
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| 20:53.49 | iam | hello |
| 20:53.56 | CaBiDe | hello |
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| 20:54.03 | iam | how do i downlaid debian o a disk? |
| 20:54.07 | iam | to* |
| 20:54.12 | iam | or a partition |
| 20:54.22 | stree | the partition to give you is that a handle |
| 20:54.44 | iam | ? |
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| 20:54.54 | iam | download* |
| 20:55.17 | iam | is this the right thing to download http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop |
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| 20:55.29 | iam | i want to dual boot it with windows 8' |
| 20:56.17 | bullgard4 | iam: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 20:56.19 | Sevet | iam: http://www.debian.org/distrib/ - the netinst image is probably best |
| 20:56.42 | Sevet | you'll need to download the iso and burn it to a cd, then boot from the cd |
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| 20:57.02 | snollux | So what is determining how my .deb package is named when I create it? It's got "packagename-version_all.deb" where is the "all" coming from? |
| 20:57.15 | Sevet | !tell iam -about dual boot guide |
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| 20:57.16 | snollux | I don't want it to say "all", I want it to say i386 or something |
| 20:57.27 | iam | ok, thanks |
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| 20:57.28 | stree | i switched to say on irc didnt know about the other ones |
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| 20:58.05 | Sevet | snollux: the Architecture in the control file |
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| 20:58.24 | Sevet | all is correct if it's platform-independant, eg python/perl/etc scripts |
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| 20:59.21 | Sevet | if you want i386 use 'any' and then it'll use the arch you're targetting when you build the package |
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| 21:00.09 | Sevet | snollux: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Architecture |
| 21:00.33 | snollux | thanks. Are you sure it's "any" and not "all"? Or are they two different things |
| 21:00.49 | Sevet | they are different things, it's explained on that link |
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| 21:01.31 | Sevet | all is arch-independant, any is a wildcard for the one you target. those 2 are the most commonly used. |
| 21:03.47 | verysoftoiletppr | help configure: error: Package requirements (libpcre >= 7.4) were not met: |
| 21:03.49 | verysoftoiletppr | No package 'libpcre' found |
| 21:03.56 | verysoftoiletppr | i A libpcre3 - Perl 5 Compatible Regular Expression Library - runtime files |
| 21:04.06 | verysoftoiletppr | State: installed |
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| 21:05.17 | verysoftoiletppr | Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you |
| 21:05.17 | verysoftoiletppr | installed software in a non-standard prefix. |
| 21:05.23 | stree | other software on the orignal |
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| 21:05.36 | verysoftoiletppr | Alternatively, you may set the environment variables PCRE_CFLAGS |
| 21:05.37 | verysoftoiletppr | and PCRE_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config. |
| 21:05.40 | verysoftoiletppr | stree? |
| 21:06.47 | menace | hi, i have in a buildsystem a script which calls autoreconf, libtoolize aclocal, automake and autoconf. now i want to integrate that into a debian-package-file. but i cannot find any hints, which dh_helper function is for the autotools and libtoolize. Any hint what i have to look for? |
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| 21:10.21 | verysoftoiletppr | help |
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| 21:11.34 | jhutchins | verysoftoiletppr: 1) What were you trying to do? 2) How did you try to do it? 3) What did you expect to happen? |
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| 21:12.10 | verysoftoiletppr | jhutchins trying to compile this program http://kylek.is-a-geek.org:31337/Automatic/ |
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| 21:12.33 | verysoftoiletppr | I am in the .configure step |
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| 21:13.03 | verysoftoiletppr | these are the instructions: http://ix.io/7gi |
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| 21:14.05 | verysoftoiletppr | if you know another program which does the same thing (download files found in RSS feed) I'm all ears |
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| 21:14.10 | jhutchins | verysoftoiletppr: Software is not correctly configured to install on a debian system. Report to the developer. |
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| 21:15.03 | verysoftoiletppr | jhutchins I didn't try to install it yet |
| 21:15.08 | verysoftoiletppr | what should I report? |
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| 21:15.21 | jhutchins | verysoftoiletppr: You can hack around in the config scrpt and make it look in the correct path for that program, but that's what the .configure script is supposed to do, find the paths. It's probably set up for a different distribution like RHEL/SLES/Mandriva. |
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| 21:16.09 | verysoftoiletppr | jhutchins ffp perhaps? http://forum.dsmg600.info/viewtopic.php?id=2291 |
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| 21:20.03 | jhutchins | verysoftoiletppr: Basically the way things are these days you should be able to find any well established program already in the Debian repos. Stuff you have to compile yourself is likely to be either new enough that it still has some growing pains, or shabby enough that Debian didn't want it. You should expect to have serious configuration/compiling/debugging skills, or be prepared to learn them. |
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| 21:21.05 | verysoftoiletppr | jhutchins yah it looks shady, but, do you know of any other software to do the same? |
| 21:22.22 | Leviathan^ | o/ hi there, recently purchased a latitude ultrabook and am having issues with touchpad compatibility with wheezy. what can i do ? |
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| 21:24.43 | bernat | hi, please, anyone can help me make Java apps stop stealing focus in Gnome3? |
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| 21:25.03 | hatchetjack | bernat: ? |
| 21:25.41 | bernat | I want to stop Java apps from stealing focus in Gnome3 |
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| 21:26.05 | jhutchins | bernat: Beat the developers about the head with a frozen rabbit. |
| 21:26.18 | hatchetjack | jhutchins: I've got some frozen rabbit |
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| 21:26.53 | bernat | I know how wrong that is, but can I do something to fix it? |
| 21:27.00 | jhutchins | What I really hate is when something steals focus and input while you're typing something - and takes what you're typing as input then vanishes. |
| 21:27.18 | bernat | that's what I'm fighting with |
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| 21:27.24 | hatchetjack | don't know about the vanishing part |
| 21:27.31 | hatchetjack | but pidgin is bad for that |
| 21:27.47 | verysoftoiletppr | flexget it is... |
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| 21:28.37 | bernat | no app should be able to steal focus for any reason |
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| 21:33.18 | Nahiyan | uh.. |
| 21:33.30 | Nahiyan | the version of systemd in the repos is 44 |
| 21:33.38 | Nahiyan | the latest is something like.. 204.. |
| 21:34.16 | zinx | problem? |
| 21:34.43 | Nahiyan | .. |
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| 21:34.56 | Nahiyan | seems only slightly outdated.. |
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| 21:35.34 | musca | ,v systemd --release rc-buggy |
| 21:35.35 | judd | Package: systemd on i386 -- experimental: 204-2 |
| 21:36.00 | Nahiyan | ah |
| 21:36.11 | Nahiyan | it's buggy, or experimental? |
| 21:36.19 | musca | Nahiyan: wonderful toy story name :) |
| 21:36.33 | Nahiyan | me? |
| 21:36.42 | Nahiyan | oh |
| 21:36.44 | Nahiyan | rc-buggy |
| 21:36.49 | musca | no, rc-buggy = experimental |
| 21:36.51 | Nahiyan | yes, quite. :) |
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| 21:46.41 | jordilopezamat | hello debian community |
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| 21:47.24 | n1md4 | jelly-home: Hi. sorry for the delay, here's what I'm trying to do ... http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=y0tFXLww |
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| 21:47.32 | Nahiyan | Can I use systemd from experimental while using packages from wheeze? |
| 21:47.46 | Nahiyan | wheezy* |
| 21:48.31 | bernat | what would I need to tinker with to prevent focus stealing in Gnome3? Mutter? Xorg libs? |
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| 21:49.19 | snollux | Hrmm so if I've got my dpkg mostly working, but need to list python modules as dependencies.. how do I do that? |
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| 21:50.54 | jordilopezamat | hello, newbie here: after system (occasional, and cause detected and solved) crash ¿is there any measure that should be taken ? |
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| 21:51.13 | bernat | Nahiyan, it's worth not trying |
| 21:51.32 | Nahiyan | mm |
| 21:51.37 | jordilopezamat | ( mmh... like looking/fixing orphaned i-nodes, ?! ...) |
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| 21:52.02 | bernat | jordilopezamat, no, but you may want to check your partitions |
| 21:52.09 | jordilopezamat | (or the system is smart enough to kind of self-healing potential dammage ) |
| 21:52.14 | jordilopezamat | gràcies bernat |
| 21:52.24 | jordilopezamat | how to? |
| 21:52.30 | jordilopezamat | fdisk like command ? |
| 21:52.32 | stree | or fdisk |
| 21:52.39 | Nahiyan | Thanks for all the help! |
| 21:52.41 | bernat | journaling systems take care pretty well, you shouldn't need it |
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| 21:53.04 | jordilopezamat | ...thanks, mercés... |
| 21:54.21 | jhutchins | jordilopezamat: If the filesystem was damaged it will probably detect it on reboot and do an automatic check. You can also initiate one by doing shutdown -Fr now (the filesystem needs to be mounted read-only if at all). |
| 21:54.26 | stree | you get to initiate a pm |
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| 21:55.59 | fenhir | jelly-home: ok, i have testet this ssh-ControlMaster now.... works fine |
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| 21:57.29 | Sevet | snollux: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-binarydeps |
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| 21:58.55 | fenhir | but... one thing is a bit ugly... where i use certificates its ok... but another account on host is with password. when in do a ssh password-user@host in one konsole the first time i am asked for the password... when i do this on another konsole i am not asked for a password... which is ok, wehen its on konsoles... but i asume every process can do this without password, too? |
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| 21:59.26 | Sevet | you'll only be able to depend on python modules that are packaged, any others you'll need to package yourself (https://wiki.debian.org/Python/Packaging, see stdeb) |
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| 22:00.29 | fenhir | on the other hand... if a malware-process can do ssh on my hosts... i am in trouble nevertheless |
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| 22:03.05 | fenhir | but one thing is great with that shared ssh-connections: i use gestures to issue ssh-commands on another host to do things with xawtv... they are executed much quicker now |
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| 22:04.17 | rryoumaa | gestures? |
| 22:04.27 | fenhir | with easystroke |
| 22:05.25 | fenhir | is a lazy one ;-) |
| 22:06.23 | fenhir | oh. i mean mouse-gestures |
| 22:06.28 | games2100 | wiso you are using windows 8 to print stuff? |
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| 22:11.58 | tremon | how can I tell dpkg-buildpackage to build only a single binary package? |
| 22:12.44 | tremon | is there a better than simply removing lots of lines from debian/control? |
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| 22:40.43 | nbits | hi, anyone that uses hibryd cards intel/ati (no bios option to disable IGD) and can use catalyst driver ? since switcheroo doesnt work with proprietary driver im wondering how can i boot using DIS card, grub can do it ? |
| 22:42.36 | Ferdroid | hey guys |
| 22:42.38 | Ferdroid | how do i list all proccess running filtering by path |
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| 22:47.34 | GNU\colossus | Ferdroid, eh? that question doesn't make much sense |
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| 22:53.36 | rixius | GNU\colossus: I presume that Ferdroid is referring to where the binary running on the process is located, as an absolute path, /usr/bin/__ etc. |
| 22:54.51 | GNU\colossus | for i in /proc/[0-9]*/exe; do readlink $i; done | sort |
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| 22:56.49 | rixius | GNU\colossus: Nice... Had to work through that to figure out. I love it. |
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| 22:58.30 | rixius | I didn't realize that you could pipe the output of a for block... |
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| 22:59.09 | GNU\colossus | you sure can; it just slightly shitfs semantics around |
| 22:59.25 | GNU\colossus | if piped this way, the for-loop is executed in a subshell, which can make variable scoping tricky |
| 22:59.31 | GNU\colossus | but there's ways to work around that |
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| 23:11.09 | PlotCitizen | Does anybody know if the hfsprogs package is included in the Live CD/USB? And if not, whether it's possible to install it through the Live CD/USB environment? |
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| 23:15.03 | darknyan | CD installs will not save the package, it will simply put it aside for you to use. |
| 23:15.09 | darknyan | PlotCitizen, |
| 23:16.07 | darknyan | If you need it for one time use, it'll be fine for you to just get the package through a internet connection. |
| 23:16.38 | SM0TVI | A simple question: I'm trying to set LXDE to use a specific font , but it does not use it on the Desktop and on menus. How do I change that? |
| 23:16.38 | PlotCitizen | Awesome, thank you. |
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| 23:17.14 | darknyan | PlotCitizen, if you need it to be persistant since you need to use it on multiple computers, I believe you could potentially save it on the USB. |
| 23:17.28 | darknyan | I'm not sure of that, since I never used Debian outside of my servers. |
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| 23:19.38 | PlotCitizen | I don't need to use it on multiple computers, or do i? |
| 23:20.18 | darknyan | PlotCitizen, you tell me. |
| 23:20.22 | darknyan | Have a nice day. |
| 23:20.44 | PlotCitizen | Likewise |
| 23:20.48 | darknyan | SM0TVI, have you tried restarting perchance? |
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| 23:21.49 | SM0TVI | darknyan: I did - does not take on X processes or on the desktop for some strange reason - suspect I am changing the wrong config. |
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| 23:23.55 | darknyan | SM0TVI, Honestly, I really wouldn't know so hopefully somebody else comes along :) |
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| 23:41.11 | OldParr | i can not use kde because it runs too slow on my machine, gnome 3 gives me a lot of desktop problems, can anyone give me an advice which desktop is good for a home user ? |
| 23:42.16 | SM0TVI | OldParr: I'm using LXDE, you could give that a try? |
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| 23:43.18 | OldParr | SM0TVI: i want something hat feels like gnome |
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| 23:44.35 | codesoup | if your kde is slow, turn off file indexing and desktop effects |
| 23:45.09 | codesoup | you can also (still) use the gnome fallback mode |
| 23:46.05 | OldParr | codesoup: fallback mode does´nt work neither on my machine |
| 23:46.25 | OldParr | i have 2 GB of ram |
| 23:47.42 | OldParr | SM0TVI: i am looking lxde looks really nice, do you have another advice for 2 GB of ram? |
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| 23:48.08 | mtn | OldParr: any desktop will work fine with that much ram |
| 23:48.21 | SM0TVI | Sadly no, and LXDE actually will run on 512MB - it does so on one of my old lappies. |
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| 23:48.56 | tapout | if I see an sshd[9903] in auth.log, is there a way to know what commands where typed in bash? |
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| 23:50.03 | OldParr | mtn: i reall think like you but i do not understand why is kde so slow on my 2 GB of ram? |
| 23:50.46 | mtn | OldParr: special effects, desktop indexing, slow processor, etc |
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| 23:50.59 | Xochipilli | are you sick and tirred of them nhhhigers? |
| 23:51.00 | Xochipilli | i am |
| 23:51.04 | Xochipilli | stupid nhiggers |
| 23:51.09 | Xochipilli | evil darkie beasts |
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| 23:51.28 | mtn | OldParr: have you ever looked at xfce4? it is gnome-like |
| 23:51.45 | fenhir | tapout: without any other observing process: .bash_history |
| 23:52.06 | OldParr | mtn: xcfe4 let me see ... |
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| 23:53.55 | OldParr | mtn: the mouse in the desktop is funny |
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| 23:56.43 | OldParr | SM0TVI: can you run gnome applications i lxde ? |
| 23:57.02 | SM0TVI | Don't know :/ |
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| 23:57.28 | kanliot | yes but plugiins and some tray apps dont work |
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| 23:58.46 | OldParr | if mate were on a repo i would like to install it, but tarballs are not my friends |
