| 00:00.05 | dekiss | is it important which mirror I choose? |
| 00:00.56 | glycol | dekiss: i have it like this: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy main non-free contrib |
| 00:01.05 | WilliamDotSI | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/3771e41b/ petn-randall |
| 00:02.17 | ws2k3 | anyone any idea? |
| 00:02.30 | glycol | dekiss: different mirrors will have different download speeds, the closest mirror can be the slowest at the same time so i just use that |
| 00:02.42 | petn-randall | WilliamDotSI: Something isn't right. You have a commit limit of 626 GB of memory ... |
| 00:02.45 | dekiss | is it ok if I decide to not use root password? |
| 00:03.09 | WilliamDotSI | petn-randall: yes, this is indeed correct |
| 00:03.30 | WilliamDotSI | i have 6x100 + 1x32GB as SWAP |
| 00:03.36 | WilliamDotSI | i just configured whatever i had |
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| 00:03.38 | dekiss | but all mirrors have same content? |
| 00:03.39 | WilliamDotSI | to see if it has any effect |
| 00:03.50 | WilliamDotSI | (this system is all SSDs) |
| 00:04.03 | dekiss | glycol? |
| 00:04.04 | glycol | dekiss: all mirrors have the same content, they're just served from different places |
| 00:04.12 | dekiss | ok thanks alot |
| 00:04.23 | petn-randall | ws2k3: How did you install the system, how did you create the RAIDs, how did you copy the data, what did you do to make the system bootable again? |
| 00:04.26 | dekiss | one more thing |
| 00:04.29 | dekiss | is it ok if I decide to not use root password? |
| 00:04.35 | petn-randall | WilliamDotSI: 600 GB of RAM?! |
| 00:05.00 | glycol | dekiss: if you run servers and do similar stuff (you mentionted nginx) you should choose a strong password |
| 00:05.12 | dekiss | no I wont run server |
| 00:05.20 | dekiss | I mean only for dev not production |
| 00:05.40 | dekiss | my isp had blocked my incoming 80 port I guess |
| 00:05.47 | dekiss | noone can access my web server |
| 00:05.49 | WilliamDotSI | petn-randall: 632GB SWAP, 16GB RAM |
| 00:06.06 | WilliamDotSI | i will resize it to smaller, my main problem is still that it doesnt seem to get used or not in the way i want it to get used |
| 00:06.19 | glycol | dekiss: also debian 7 has nginx packaged, no need to additional mirrors |
| 00:06.31 | WilliamDotSI | glycol: a very old nginx as well. |
| 00:06.34 | WilliamDotSI | not recommended. |
| 00:06.35 | glycol | no need for* |
| 00:06.49 | dekiss | glycol but I wanted new version of nginx 1.4.1 which debian 7 dont have |
| 00:06.55 | glycol | oh ok |
| 00:06.55 | petn-randall | WilliamDotSI: You've barely used 5 GB yet, it shouldn't swap. |
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| 00:07.10 | ws2k3 | anyone wanne help me fixing up my grub? i just moved it to md0 and my system is not booting anymore |
| 00:07.11 | WilliamDotSI | then it also should not do oomkills... |
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| 00:07.46 | petn-randall | ws2k3: Nobody will help you if you don't answer any of our questions ... |
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| 00:08.13 | ws2k3 | i didnt saw any question to my directorion |
| 00:08.42 | ws2k3 | found it |
| 00:08.49 | ws2k3 | i installed without raid |
| 00:09.07 | ws2k3 | created raid with 1 missing disk copy the / to /dev/md1 and /boot to md0 |
| 00:09.18 | ws2k3 | updated grub to use /dev/md0 to boot from |
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| 00:09.59 | petn-randall | ws2k3: I your RAID degraded at the moment? |
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| 00:10.39 | ws2k3 | i dont know how can i see that |
| 00:10.47 | ws2k3 | i let the disk finish up the sync |
| 00:11.07 | petn-randall | ws2k3: If you're booted in a live CD, 'cat /proc/mdstat' will show you. |
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| 00:11.40 | ws2k3 | http://pastebin.com/mRb8LjKa |
| 00:11.44 | ws2k3 | that it showed me |
| 00:12.07 | WilliamDotSI | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/ea6ce0d2/ petn-randall, better? |
| 00:12.18 | WilliamDotSI | 4x10G SWAP |
| 00:12.22 | dekiss | apt-get upgrade downloads and installs new debian updates for os? |
| 00:12.24 | petn-randall | ws2k3: Ok, so that's fine. Can you chroot into the system? |
| 00:12.36 | WilliamDotSI | yes dekiss |
| 00:12.36 | ws2k3 | how you mean chroot |
| 00:12.41 | dekiss | thanks |
| 00:12.41 | WilliamDotSI | but dont forget to update before |
| 00:12.46 | dekiss | ok |
| 00:12.53 | ws2k3 | i already mounted the disks and i'm able to acces the disks |
| 00:12.54 | dekiss | what is update?> |
| 00:13.05 | WilliamDotSI | downloads new package lists, apt-get update |
| 00:13.12 | dekiss | ok |
| 00:13.56 | petn-randall | ws2k3: You want to mount /dev/md1 to something like /mnt/tmp/, and /dev/md0 to /mnt/tmp/boot, then bind mount /dev, /proc, /sys to /mnt/tmp, then you can 'chroot /mnt/tmp' and you're basically in the system. |
| 00:14.23 | ws2k3 | ah nice |
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| 00:14.35 | ws2k3 | i already mounted /dev/md0 to /mnt/md0 |
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| 00:14.40 | petn-randall | ws2k3: From there you can then run grub-install to install it into the boot sectors of the disks, and see for errors when running 'update-grub'. |
| 00:14.45 | ws2k3 | and i mountd /dev/md1 to /mnt/md1 |
| 00:15.01 | petn-randall | ws2k3: If everything runs fine, you should be able to reboot and boot into your system. |
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| 00:15.48 | ws2k3 | mount /dev /mnt/md1 |
| 00:15.48 | ws2k3 | mount: /dev is not a block device |
| 00:16.37 | petn-randall | WilliamDotSI: I'm not sure your system will even be remotely usable if you have 40, or 60 GB of memory swapped out. It will be standing still from a human point of view. |
| 00:16.59 | WilliamDotSI | hm, even if this swap space is fast? |
| 00:17.11 | WilliamDotSI | each SSD does around 1200MB/s |
| 00:17.55 | petn-randall | ws2k3: mount --bind /dev /mnt/md1/dev/ |
| 00:17.57 | ws2k3 | petn-randall like this ? http://pastebin.com/emQhRad0 |
| 00:18.08 | WilliamDotSI | im mainly looking for a short term, 1 week solution to stop this OOM kills even if the system will be sh** slow then as this starts to hurt my mysql |
| 00:19.54 | petn-randall | WilliamDotSI: 1200MB/s? How much did you spend on them? |
| 00:20.08 | petn-randall | WilliamDotSI: Or is it RAID0 or something? |
| 00:20.15 | WilliamDotSI | no, PCI express |
| 00:20.24 | petn-randall | WilliamDotSI: RAM is still orders of magnitude faster. |
| 00:20.25 | glycol | williamdotsi: is disabling the oom killer a solution? |
| 00:20.25 | WilliamDotSI | internal RAID0 of 2 240GB SLC SSDs on them |
| 00:20.37 | WilliamDotSI | and yes, they did cost a fortune |
| 00:20.52 | WilliamDotSI | IIRC around 3k USD each |
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| 00:21.12 | WilliamDotSI | uh glycol, i acrtually didnt think about that |
| 00:21.28 | glycol | that would be "echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory" |
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| 00:22.33 | WilliamDotSI | thx, that seems good for now :) |
| 00:22.44 | petn-randall | WilliamDotSI: You can try turning it off, but for me it smells like some application going haywire. |
| 00:22.45 | WilliamDotSI | next week i replace that system with a new E5 with 128Gb RAM :p |
| 00:23.14 | WilliamDotSI | well yes, there are certainly some memory leaks |
| 00:23.20 | WilliamDotSI | but i cant solve them on this system |
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| 00:23.48 | WilliamDotSI | so we throw some more RAM and CPU at it along with more SSDs and that will solve the problem until the next upgrade :) |
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| 00:26.28 | petn-randall | ws2k3: You're missing /dev/md0 ➡ /mnt/md1/boot |
| 00:26.43 | ykkie\splat | I have perl and the perldoc program installed, but perldoc constantly reports not being able to find documentation. anyone have an idea waht package I'm missing? |
| 00:26.57 | petn-randall | ykkie\splat: Example? |
| 00:27.07 | ykkie\splat | $ perldoc next |
| 00:27.08 | ykkie\splat | No documentation found for "next". |
| 00:27.23 | petn-randall | ykkie\splat: next isn't a module ... |
| 00:27.37 | ykkie\splat | petn-randall: oooh i've figured it out |
| 00:27.43 | ykkie\splat | it's with an -f flag |
| 00:27.48 | ykkie\splat | is how I should've been using it |
| 00:27.59 | petn-randall | ykkie\splat: right, great :) |
| 00:28.05 | ykkie\splat | and it does indeed work now. been so long since I used perl properly |
| 00:28.20 | ykkie\splat | spent all day writing some cool code |
| 00:28.32 | elkng | ykkie\splat: is it working ? |
| 00:28.35 | petn-randall | ykkie\splat: Nice, what is it? |
| 00:28.37 | ykkie\splat | elkng: yup |
| 00:29.22 | ykkie\splat | petn-randall: a really slick and well written program for the simple and mundane task of taking a few comma/line separated database dumps and spitting out something sqlite3 can read |
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| 00:29.55 | ykkie\splat | instead of just donig a really simple solution I went to town and made it really flexible and extensible and so on |
| 00:30.36 | nfm | petn-randall: I popped an ubuntu live cd in and it couldn't connect via ethernet either. It's always been automagic before. Wireless was fine. Now I'm thinking the ethernet adapter has gone wonky. |
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| 00:30.46 | ykkie\splat | took a while to relearn how list processing, context, map and references work |
| 00:30.48 | glycol | why can't apps find libncurses.so.5 on debian 7 when it's installed? |
| 00:30.50 | nfm | Thanks again for your help! |
| 00:30.51 | ws2k3 | petn the boot directory is located on /dev/md0 |
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| 00:35.48 | ws2k3 | petn-randall http://pastebin.com/m5TiJmpj like that ? |
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| 00:41.32 | dekiss | how to add me user for sudo |
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| 00:43.26 | dekiss | ok nvm |
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| 00:43.38 | dekiss | omg |
| 00:43.43 | dekiss | how to do this |
| 00:43.45 | dekiss | :S |
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| 00:44.28 | dekiss | I thin I need to rebot |
| 00:45.17 | LtL | dekiss: two ways, my preferred way, open terminal, decome root `su -` enter, type `visudo` find the line that says root ALL blah blah and duplicate it using your username. |
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| 00:45.44 | dekiss | its ok now |
| 00:45.49 | dekiss | LtL thanks |
| 00:45.55 | LtL | dekiss: cheers |
| 00:46.01 | dekiss | :) |
| 00:46.06 | dekiss | now hard comes :( |
| 00:46.34 | dekiss | updating souces list :S |
| 00:47.03 | ws2k3 | petn are you still around? |
| 00:47.39 | LtL | ws2k3: use full nick for best results, i.e. petn-randall |
| 00:47.59 | dekiss | pls what shoudl I add after mirrors |
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| 00:48.09 | dekiss | I know I should have added something but I am not sure why |
| 00:48.19 | dekiss | for non free firmware but why I needed that have no idea |
| 00:48.34 | ws2k3 | yeah was talking to petn-randall |
| 00:48.49 | LtL | dekiss: you mean like contrib and non-free? |
| 00:48.55 | dekiss | yes |
| 00:49.07 | dekiss | what to put after sources exactly? |
| 00:49.32 | LtL | dekiss: just append those to the end of source mirrors, apt-get update |
| 00:50.02 | dekiss | I have 6 paths |
| 00:50.09 | dekiss | should I write these to all 6 paths? |
| 00:50.38 | dekiss | I have wheezy main and wheezy-upades main and updates main |
| 00:50.44 | dekiss | 2 of these each |
| 00:50.58 | LtL | dekiss: i can't see your list, atleast those two, yes |
| 00:51.09 | dekiss | should I write these to deb-src only or to deb also? |
| 00:51.16 | dekiss | I will write all now here |
| 00:51.25 | LtL | dekiss: i do, so yeah |
| 00:51.42 | LtL | dekiss: don't paste to channel! |
| 00:51.46 | dekiss | deb http://debian.cabletel.com.mk/debian wheezy main |
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| 00:52.03 | dekiss | deb-src http://debian.cabletel.com.mk/debian wheezy main |
| 00:52.07 | LtL | dekiss: space after the slashes |
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| 00:52.32 | dekiss | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main <--- why it has space before wheezy? |
| 00:53.02 | dekiss | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 00:53.09 | LtL | dekiss: so it knows its wheezy, its correct |
| 00:53.24 | dekiss | deb http://debian.cabletel.com.mk/debian wheezy-updates main |
| 00:53.28 | dekiss | deb-src http://debian.cabletel.com.mk/debian wheezy-updates main |
| 00:53.32 | dekiss | where should I put those? |
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| 00:53.57 | dekiss | on all 6 I should put those? |
| 00:53.59 | dekiss | or ? |
| 00:54.04 | LtL | dekiss: underneath the other ones |
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| 00:54.06 | dekiss | or just on deb-src? |
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| 00:54.29 | dekiss | I am not sure what I Sohuld do :S |
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| 00:55.24 | LtL | dekiss: the wheezy lines i would add main contrib non-free, as for any others i do not know. you really don't need others , your mileage may vary |
| 00:56.19 | LtL | dekiss: i'm not on wheezy or i would paste mine. |
| 00:56.49 | dekiss | ok so I jsut put these two words at the end liek this? deb http:/debian.cabletel.com.mk/debian/ wheezy0pdates main contrib non-free |
| 00:56.50 | dekiss | ? |
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| 00:57.02 | glycol | dekiss: if you add the lines with deb-src you'll be able to do apt-get source for the packages that mirror provides |
| 00:57.16 | LtL | dekiss: yes, lose the 0 of course |
| 00:57.34 | dekiss | ye |
| 00:57.37 | dekiss | mistake |
| 00:57.39 | dekiss | ok |
| 00:57.44 | dekiss | and i need restart i guess |
| 00:57.53 | LtL | dekiss: yeah, good to go, save it, apt-get update |
| 00:58.02 | dekiss | ok im restarting |
| 00:58.04 | LtL | dekiss: no restart needed |
| 00:58.05 | dekiss | man this linux :S |
| 00:58.18 | dekiss | whats wrong with world not using linux |
| 00:58.24 | LtL | dekiss: you rarely need reboot linux |
| 00:58.27 | dekiss | peopel want viruses Iguess :) |
| 00:58.48 | dekiss | when I install windows and after first torrent my hard disk is like grgr grg rg rg r g |
| 00:58.52 | dekiss | in linux is quiet :) |
| 00:59.01 | dekiss | viruses working in background |
| 00:59.05 | dekiss | in windows |
| 00:59.20 | ws2k3 | i use a livecd to chroot into my installation |
| 00:59.41 | ws2k3 | it says /bin/sh file not found |
| 01:00.02 | zaltekk | so your install doesn't have /bin/sh? |
| 01:00.17 | ws2k3 | i think i have to mount ti seperatly |
| 01:00.21 | wwu | i wonder sometime if i should not be using openbsdd actually :) |
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| 01:03.12 | dekiss | # aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') fglrx-driver |
| 01:03.14 | LtL | dekiss: don't forget to exit that root shell |
| 01:03.27 | dekiss | please here where it writes uname I should put my linux username? |
| 01:03.30 | angs | where does the debian keep openssl binary? |
| 01:03.41 | jmcnaught | ws2k3: was /bin/sh file not found the response when you typed the chroot command? |
| 01:03.42 | dekiss | LtL just close terminal to exit root shell? |
| 01:04.05 | dondelelcaro | angs: in the openssl package in /usr/bin |
| 01:04.06 | LtL | dekiss: wait a second, what are you doing, getting headers |
| 01:04.11 | dondelelcaro | !tell angs -about pdo |
| 01:04.33 | dekiss | yeah for amd ati radeon hd 5* graphic driver |
| 01:04.34 | jmcnaught | dekiss: uname is actually a command that prints kernel version information. try uname -a |
| 01:04.45 | dekiss | http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Debian_7.0_.22Wheezy.22 |
| 01:04.52 | dekiss | ok thanks |
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| 01:05.01 | dekiss | how to exit root shell just close terminal? |
| 01:05.17 | ws2k3 | yes |
| 01:05.19 | LtL | dekiss: as for being root, never forget you are root, and type exit or logout when finished. this is why -some- prefer sudo, not i. |
| 01:05.27 | ws2k3 | jmcnaught Yes. |
| 01:05.49 | jmcnaught | dekiss: so in that aptitude command to install linux-headers, the uname command is used to fill in what version of the headers are needed |
| 01:05.49 | ws2k3 | i already tryed mount --bind /bin /mnt/bin but that didnt help |
| 01:06.06 | wwu | sudo better , well question of taste |
| 01:06.16 | petn-randall | ws2k3: Don't bind mount more things into your chroot. |
| 01:06.29 | ws2k3 | petn-randall okay |
| 01:06.33 | petn-randall | ws2k3: So you do 'chroot /mnt/md1', and it shows that error? |
| 01:06.39 | jmcnaught | ws2k3: from inside the live environment you need to mount the filesystem on the hard drive before using the chroot command |
| 01:06.43 | dekiss | now it says manual configuration of driver needed :S |
| 01:06.46 | dekiss | omg |
| 01:06.54 | petn-randall | ws2k3: Does /mnt/md1/bin/sh exist? |
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| 01:07.06 | dekiss | LtL I use sudo also |
| 01:07.14 | ws2k3 | yes |
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| 01:07.32 | glycol | dekiss: maybe it's reffering to this: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#configure |
| 01:07.39 | LtL | dekiss: as do i, i just prefer becoming root.. most of the time. |
| 01:07.41 | glycol | referring* |
| 01:07.56 | zaltekk | sudo -i # ?? |
| 01:08.08 | ws2k3 | at least sh@ exsist |
| 01:08.10 | funkygibbon | Hi folks, am I right in my assumption that SNI with multiple domain certificates (such as from startssl.com) is broken in libapache2-mod-gnutls ? |
| 01:08.32 | dekiss | I need to manually configure fglrx driver it says :S |
| 01:08.35 | dekiss | what is dthis driver? |
| 01:08.40 | petn-randall | ws2k3: And which error do you get exactly doing what? |
| 01:08.55 | ws2k3 | chroot: failed to run command â/bin/zshâ: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
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| 01:09.18 | ws2k3 | (i'm speak english not german server hireing company is german) |
| 01:09.20 | angs | thank you <dondelelcaro> |
| 01:09.32 | ws2k3 | i assume that means /bin/sh |
| 01:09.36 | dekiss | please help people it says this: "The fglrx driver is not yet configured. Please consider using /urs/bin/aticonfig to create a working xorg.conf configuration. |
| 01:09.39 | dekiss | what is this omg:S |
| 01:09.40 | LtL | dekiss: I can't help you there, everytime i've loaded fglrx over the years, i un-install it shortly thereatfer. hopefully it's better. |
| 01:09.54 | dekiss | why |
| 01:10.00 | dekiss | :( |
| 01:10.02 | glycol | dekiss: just do aticonfig as root |
| 01:10.03 | dekiss | who can help me? |
| 01:10.05 | petn-randall | ws2k3: ... doing what? |
| 01:10.09 | dekiss | glycol how? |
| 01:10.14 | dekiss | sudo aticonfig? |
| 01:10.17 | glycol | yes |
| 01:10.19 | ws2k3 | petn-randall sudo chroot /mnt |
| 01:10.23 | dekiss | --initial? what is tihs |
| 01:10.28 | LtL | dekiss: sudo or as root, aticonfig |
| 01:10.35 | dekiss | what is --initial? |
| 01:10.35 | ws2k3 | petn-randall chroot /mnt |
| 01:10.45 | petn-randall | ws2k3: chroot /mnt/md1, though you're still missing /proc and /sys in your chroot. |
| 01:10.55 | ws2k3 | i left ot the md1 |
| 01:11.01 | ws2k3 | everything is mounted on /mnt now |
| 01:11.02 | LtL | dekiss: you might want to read the wiki on this, i'm pretty sure one exists. |
| 01:11.11 | dekiss | ok but what is --initial? |
| 01:11.19 | dekiss | im sorry people and thanks for help |
| 01:11.20 | glycol | dekiss: did aticonfig say that? |
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| 01:11.24 | ws2k3 | http://pastebin.com/1SQ1xBhK |
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| 01:11.25 | angs | I compiled openssl from the source code, I did make && make install. But I still have the old version of the openssl. Do I need to replace the newly compiled binary file with the old one on /usr/bin? Is it the way how I should update the program? |
| 01:11.26 | LtL | dekiss: for the first time it's run |
| 01:11.26 | dekiss | I am in middle of very important projects :S |
| 01:11.30 | ws2k3 | thats how my mount looks like now |
| 01:11.35 | dekiss | glycol yeah it said |
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| 01:11.57 | ws2k3 | am i sissing something? |
| 01:12.05 | dekiss | ok i did sudo aticonfig --initial |
| 01:12.14 | dekiss | sry I know im annoying I want to know everything |
| 01:12.18 | petn-randall | angs: Installing self-compiled binaries/libraries over the system's ones is a sure-fire way to break it. |
| 01:12.42 | petn-randall | angs: What are you trying to achieve that you need to compile your own openssl for? |
| 01:12.59 | glycol | dekiss: if you want to know everything just do "man aticonfig" ;) |
| 01:13.10 | dekiss | after using sudo shoudl I type exit or logout? |
| 01:13.28 | LtL | dekiss: patience is a virtue. you probably now have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf which may need tweaking, i don;'t know, you'll need a reboot to activate it. fyi |
| 01:13.30 | dekiss | sudo just executes one command liek root and thats it right? |
| 01:13.35 | dekiss | no need to logout i think |
| 01:14.01 | dekiss | my gnome started in fallback mode at first lets see now, I think graphic driver wasn't installed |
| 01:14.01 | glycol | dekiss: yes, it gives temporary root privileges |
| 01:14.11 | dekiss | glycol just for executing one command? |
| 01:14.16 | LtL | dekiss: yes |
| 01:14.23 | dekiss | ok thanks |
| 01:15.00 | dekiss | btw I type strong password ^^ |
| 01:15.12 | LtL | dekiss: you can use sudo a few times afterwards without a password until it times out. sudo -k will kill that period iirc |
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| 01:15.49 | dekiss | so |
| 01:15.54 | dekiss | gnome is in full mode now |
| 01:16.05 | dekiss | this means I have graphic card drivers installed? |
| 01:16.07 | acu2 | is there any android app which allow to follow irc - so I can be logged here on my smartphone ? |
| 01:16.12 | angs | petn-randall, I have Debian lenny on an armv4 device. It does not support Wheezy or any newer version. I need openssl1.0.1e to compile some options on wpa_supplicant2 (dependency). I was following the instruction on http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/postlfs/openssl.html I did not get any error and it seemed that the program compiled without any problem. Now I am looking for a method to update the program. Do you suggest how I should do it? |
| 01:16.15 | dekiss | how can I check if graphic card driver is installed? |
| 01:16.47 | ws2k3 | petn-randall did you chekced my pastebin do i miss something |
| 01:17.00 | LtL | dekiss: sounds good to me. lsmod in a terminal should reveal your driver(s) also /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 01:17.42 | dekiss | now hard part configuring sources to get new evrsion of nginx :S |
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| 01:18.16 | LtL | dekiss: your entering the deeper end of the swimming pool g'luck ;) |
| 01:18.22 | petn-randall | ws2k3: If you don't highlight me I probably missed it. |
| 01:18.39 | WilliamDotSI | hm? |
| 01:18.44 | WilliamDotSI | why not just compile it yourself |
| 01:18.47 | WilliamDotSI | nginx is fairly easy |
| 01:18.49 | ws2k3 | petr-randall http://pastebin.com/1SQ1xBhK |
| 01:19.04 | dekiss | :D |
| 01:19.11 | dekiss | aw |
| 01:19.19 | dekiss | it needed little hack but I can do it |
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| 01:19.31 | PerfDave | I've just tried dist-upgrading my server from squeeze to wheezy. cyrus-common can't upgrade its indices because db3.2-utils isn't installed, but that package doesn't exist in wheezy. Any clues? |
| 01:19.37 | ws2k3 | petn-randall http://pastebin.com/1SQ1xBhK |
| 01:19.41 | petn-randall | ws2k3: Tab-completion is your friend. My highlighting trigger doesn't work with typos. |
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| 01:20.16 | petn-randall | angs: Lenny hasn't been supported for quite a while. I'd try to at least upgrade to squeeze, and backport the stuff you need from there. |
| 01:20.25 | jmcnaught | so i'm trying to learn some configuration management for debian and i'm trying to figure out where to start. currently i manage a couple of servers for personal use (basically postfix and apache) but I'm still editing config files manually over SSH. I'm looking at learning how to make configuration .deb packages using the dpkg-divert system. am i heading in the right direction? |
| 01:21.07 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: you should be able to upgrade with a later version of db utils |
| 01:21.25 | jmcnaught | also should i try to learn something like cfengine or bcfg2, or is that overkill for a handful of VPSs? |
| 01:21.33 | funkygibbon | would anyone be able to guide me on how to apply this patch to a debian package? http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/bug-677847-libapache2-mod-gnutls-virtual-hosting-fails-multi-name-certificates-help-207875621.html |
| 01:21.34 | funkygibbon | it seems that I can't use mod-gnutls from the debian distribution as it doesn't support multiple domians per certificate |
| 01:21.34 | funkygibbon | but having never patched a debian package... not sure how to apply the patch as listed in that url |
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| 01:22.14 | ws2k3 | petn-randall http://pastebin.com/1SQ1xBhK now the highlighting works right? |
| 01:22.33 | dekiss | now I have doubt, what means mainline version and stable version? |
| 01:22.42 | dekiss | mainline is newest and stable is stable? |
| 01:22.48 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: I'm trying to reverse-engineer the upgrade script now :) |
| 01:22.49 | dekiss | and which to use omg :S |
| 01:23.01 | dekiss | I guess time to join #nginx :) |
| 01:23.08 | dekiss | thank you people for helping me thanks nice help! |
| 01:23.18 | angs | petn-randall, the device does not support squeeze as well because of some instruction sets on the CPU. do you have any suggestion/idea how the manually compiled program needs to be updated? |
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| 01:25.05 | petn-randall | angs: no idea, you'd probably have to fix the include paths for when you compile wpa_supplicant. |
| 01:25.37 | petn-randall | ws2k3: Unmount /mnt/bin, and you should be ok. |
| 01:25.41 | boudiccas | acu2, yes, something like 'yacuii' |
| 01:26.20 | jmcnaught | funkygibbon: can you use mod_ssl instead? |
| 01:28.06 | ws2k3 | i cant he says device busy |
| 01:28.38 | ws2k3 | i unounted /bin still dont work |
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| 01:29.24 | funkygibbon | jmcnaught, yes, but I'm trying to move away from mod_ssl due as I would prefer TLS 1.1, 1.2 support |
| 01:29.43 | petn-randall | ws2k3: I never said to unmount /bin!! |
| 01:30.29 | moof2 | ws2k3, /bin is a mount? |
| 01:30.30 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Weirdly, the db3.2-util package doesn't exist in oldstable, and neither does the db3.2_recover binary this script is looking for :) |
| 01:30.39 | ws2k3 | so i need to mount /bin and unmount /mnt/bin? |
| 01:30.48 | ws2k3 | moof2 i dont think so no |
| 01:30.58 | dekiss | nginx-extras contains nginx-full and nginx-light? |
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| 01:31.11 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: I'd check snapshots; it might be there |
| 01:31.27 | jmcnaught | funkygibbon: i think you can use TLS 1.1, 1.2 with mod_ssl. doesn't it support everything that openssl does? |
| 01:31.32 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: though that kind of sounds like cyrus is a release or more out of date (or didn't upgrade its databases from a previous release' |
| 01:31.33 | glycol | dekiss: are you using synaptic? |
| 01:31.46 | moof2 | under "normal" circumstances, /bin, /sbin and /etc are in the storage for the / partition |
| 01:32.14 | ws2k3 | petn-randall bin isnt a mount in the first place so that command did nothing and i unmounted /mnt/bin same issue of chroot |
| 01:32.47 | dekiss | glycol yes |
| 01:33.10 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Possibly the latter, this was a flat upgrade from squeeze to wheezy |
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| 01:33.30 | funkygibbon | jmcnaught, I don't believe mod_ssl supports TLS 1.1 or 1.2 ? |
| 01:33.48 | jmcnaught | funkygibbon: from what I can tell you can use TLS 1.1 and 1.2, but gnutls also supports DTLS 1.1, 1.2 which openssl does not |
| 01:34.22 | glycol | dekiss: in synaptic if you mark a package it will tell what additional packages have to be installed, for example nginx-extras only requires nginx-common so, the nginx server itself doesn't get installed |
| 01:34.35 | dekiss | do Ineed restart after isntalling packages like nginx and such..? |
| 01:34.43 | glycol | no |
| 01:35.02 | jmcnaught | funkygibbon: and DTLS is for UDP which you don't need for Apache |
| 01:35.07 | dekiss | glycol so nginx-extras is additional things for nginx but doesn't installs the nginx web server itself? |
| 01:35.15 | glycol | yes |
| 01:35.24 | ImaLamer | that makes no sense |
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| 01:35.28 | ImaLamer | hello again foks |
| 01:35.31 | dekiss | do I need apt-get update & upgrade after installing packages liek nginx with synaptic? |
| 01:35.38 | jmcnaught | funkygibbon: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_ssl.html#sslprotocol |
| 01:35.46 | dekiss | nice help thanks |
| 01:35.47 | dekiss | man |
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| 01:35.56 | dekiss | just this one more :) i promise :S |
| 01:36.00 | ImaLamer | dekiss: not really |
| 01:36.01 | dekiss | im sry that I am boring :S |
| 01:36.02 | glycol | apt-get update is for redownloading that list you're navigating through in synaptic |
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| 01:36.13 | dekiss | ah |
| 01:36.19 | dekiss | I see so I do need that no? |
| 01:36.23 | ImaLamer | dekiss: reload in synaptic = apt-get update |
| 01:36.33 | dekiss | aha i see |
| 01:36.34 | NotJimCarrey | is there a way to swap stereo channels for one program only using pulseaudio? |
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| 01:36.36 | glycol | apt-get upgrade will upgrade any package that is outdated |
| 01:36.37 | dekiss | and upgrade is for updating os? |
| 01:36.42 | dekiss | aha |
| 01:36.46 | dekiss | nice help thanks people thank you |
| 01:36.51 | dekiss | and im sorry |
| 01:37.01 | jmcnaught | funkygibbon: if you can get mod_ssl to do what you need, it'll be a lot less trouble down the line than trying to custom patch gnutls (which will break next time it has a security update and you'll need to repatch every time) |
| 01:37.07 | dekiss | aw |
| 01:37.08 | glycol | synaptic does apt-get update when you click the reload button |
| 01:37.08 | dekiss | again :S |
| 01:37.23 | dekiss | when I hit that mark on nginx-extras I get with red that and nginx-full |
| 01:37.27 | ImaLamer | dekiss: upgrade will only upgrade the OS if you did work to make the changes to your sources (it's how i moved to wheezy) |
| 01:37.35 | ImaLamer | dekiss: that's for another time :D |
| 01:38.32 | NotJimCarrey | specifically xbmc |
| 01:38.37 | dekiss | ok |
| 01:38.59 | dekiss | when I mark nginx-extras nginx-full and nginx get red why? |
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| 01:39.49 | moof2 | dekiss, that's not in the docs? |
| 01:39.57 | ws2k3 | petn-randall any idea's? |
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| 01:40.12 | funkygibbon | yeah jmcnaught I understand that, but I have had no luck getting apache to handle tls 1.1 or 1.2, qualys SSL labs confirms that with mod_ssl they're not available, but with gnutls they are.... just the virtualhost SNI problem |
| 01:40.32 | dekiss | moof2 i havent read anything |
| 01:40.50 | dekiss | ok nevermind |
| 01:40.57 | dekiss | thanks again for everything nice help |
| 01:40.59 | moof2 | time to start :) |
| 01:41.52 | ws2k3 | petn-randall i runned chroot /mnt /bin/bash which didnt gived me an error is this good to ? |
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| 01:42.58 | dekiss | sorry for beign borring I have very important projects I really didnt had time for learning just now at this moment and you helped me a lot |
| 01:43.25 | LtL | dekiss: forget about it, no problem |
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| 01:44.09 | jmcnaught | funkygibbon: sorry i thought mod_ssl could do tls 1.2 using openssl 1.0.1, which is in wheezy. i'd still be wary of a custom version of such an important package though. i hope you figure it out :) |
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| 01:44.36 | LtL | dekiss: thats speaking for everybody, i did nothing. good luck. |
| 01:45.49 | funkygibbon | yeah seems to be a major dilemma... stay with outdated, susceptible ciphers with openssl, or purchase new IPs for every hosted site, regardless of their requirement to support windows xp |
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| 01:49.54 | dekiss | php5-fpm installs php5 too? |
| 01:50.22 | LtL | dekiss: synaptic should tell you ... read! |
| 01:51.17 | LtL | dekiss: personally i would be using apt-get or aptitude, but whatever you're comfortable with. |
| 01:51.32 | dekiss | ok |
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| 01:52.16 | LtL | dekiss: rule one of computing, `read the whole screen.` |
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| 01:52.54 | LtL | well, it's maybe not number one but you get my drift |
| 01:54.49 | dekiss | im not sure if php5-fpm should be run with /etc/init.d/php5-fpm :S |
| 01:55.04 | dekiss | LtL any idea how to check my ports? |
| 01:55.07 | jmcnaught | funkygibbon: are you using wheezy? with mod_ssl did you try a directive like "SSLCipherSuite aRSA:kRSA:AES128-CBC:SHA" ? |
| 01:55.13 | dekiss | 5-fpm is runningto see if php6 |
| 01:55.15 | dekiss | ups |
| 01:55.20 | dekiss | to see if php5-fpm is running |
| 01:55.26 | LtL | dekiss: in a terminal, `netstat -tunap` |
| 01:55.29 | dekiss | thanks |
| 01:55.51 | LtL | dekiss: i don't think php uses a port, httpd does |
| 01:56.00 | dekiss | hm |
| 01:56.04 | LtL | i could be wrong |
| 01:56.22 | dekiss | php5-fpm is daemon that runs on 9000 port i think on 127.0.0.1:9000 |
| 01:56.33 | LtL | dekiss: ah, yes then |
| 01:56.37 | dekiss | I think nginx redirects packet to that port |
| 01:56.58 | LtL | looks like a local connection |
| 01:57.04 | dekiss | yes |
| 01:57.06 | LtL | yeah, you're cool |
| 01:57.10 | dekiss | hhh |
| 01:57.16 | dekiss | nginx rocks man |
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| 01:58.32 | dekiss | what I dont udnerstand is why I didnt runed nginx with /etc/init.d/nginx? |
| 01:58.45 | dekiss | I did it with /usr/sbin/nginx |
| 01:58.49 | dekiss | is this same? |
| 01:59.02 | dekiss | I googled that |
| 01:59.09 | map7 | Has anyone got any experience with getting audio working on thin clients? Should I be starting the pulseaudio server on the client? |
| 01:59.22 | LtL | dekiss: i've only used apache, nginx is new to me but that looks correct, it's runnin g after all. |
| 01:59.24 | dekiss | yeah nginx.org says that |
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| 01:59.44 | funkygibbon | jmcnaught, that's a very insecure cipher string :) |
| 02:00.19 | funkygibbon | I'm not on wheezy btw, squeeze. So, apache 2.2 |
| 02:00.38 | funkygibbon | https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=the-dispensary.com.au |
| 02:00.43 | funkygibbon | is with your cipher string |
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| 02:01.45 | LtL | dekiss: i'm guessing nginx won't start on boot unless it's in /etc/rc* and /etc/init.d/ somewhere |
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| 02:04.15 | dekiss | ok |
| 02:04.16 | jmcnaught | funkygibbon: yeah i'm not claiming to be an expert :) i'm just trying to learn more about your problem because i'm googling it to try and help |
| 02:04.25 | funkygibbon | I really appreciate it |
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| 02:05.10 | jmcnaught | funkygibbon: also squeeze the version of openssl is too old for TLS 1.1,1.2. you might get it to work in wheezy though |
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| 02:08.39 | jmcnaught | funkygibbon: unfortunately wheezy is still on apache 2.2 not 2.4. i think mod_ssl in 2.2 can do TLS 1.1+, it's the version of openssl in squeeze that's holding you back. |
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| 02:09.17 | dekiss | should I run /etc/init.d/php5-fpm as sudo? |
| 02:09.33 | glycol | yes |
| 02:09.34 | funkygibbon | also, I've noticed that there have been many complaints about the performance of AES in openssl 1.0.1 |
| 02:09.52 | funkygibbon | SSL seems to be in a massive mess |
| 02:10.11 | funkygibbon | next server is definately based on nginx |
| 02:10.19 | jmcnaught | funkygibbon: well thanks because i've been learning from this :) |
| 02:10.21 | glycol | dekiss: you can also do "sudo service php5-fpm start" which is shorter |
| 02:10.24 | dekiss | I don't anything listening to 9000 port where should php5-fpm listen |
| 02:10.56 | dekiss | with sudo -netstat |
| 02:10.56 | LtL | dekiss: are you looking as root |
| 02:11.08 | dekiss | sudo netstat |
| 02:11.10 | dekiss | yes |
| 02:11.18 | dekiss | wait |
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| 02:12.55 | dekiss | yeah nothing listens on port 9000 shouldn't php5-fpm listen on port 9000? |
| 02:13.19 | ImaLamer | why does php need to listen? (not familiar with fpm) |
| 02:13.39 | jmcnaught | so should i be using dpkg-divert for config files in /etc instead of editing them directly? like /etc/postfix/main.cf for example, should I divert that file before I edit it? |
| 02:14.05 | dekiss | php5-fpm is fastcgi daemon that should listen on 120.0.0.1 I think |
| 02:14.20 | dekiss | nginx send requests to it and it redirects to php for proccessing |
| 02:15.13 | ImaLamer | is not the expert then |
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| 02:16.43 | ImaLamer | when you started the service, did it report as starting? |
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| 02:19.48 | ImaLamer | jmcnaught: i don't think you need to do that |
| 02:20.18 | tharkun_ | Why there is no morituri on wheezy? |
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| 02:20.55 | ImaLamer | jmcnaught: install the package and then edit the config files - subsequent upgrades won't overwrite the config |
| 02:21.04 | Mike3620_ | I have a block of 5 ip addresses with my colocated server how |
| 02:21.21 | Mike3620_ | Could I get a program to use a different IP address |
| 02:21.26 | ImaLamer | jmcnaught: major upgrades will prompt you to keep your existing config and will show them side by side to help make that choice |
| 02:21.33 | dekiss | ImaLamer no |
| 02:21.40 | ImaLamer | 0.0 |
| 02:21.53 | tharkun_ | Mike3620_: Be more specific what program where. Each one of your daemons has a different taming file :) |
| 02:22.18 | Mike3620_ | Znc an irc bouncer tharkun_ |
| 02:22.26 | glycol | dekiss: make sure to type "start" at the end: /etc/init.d/nginx start |
| 02:22.29 | ImaLamer | Mike3620_: is said IP attached to that machine |
| 02:22.36 | glycol | same thing for php5-fpm |
| 02:22.41 | dekiss | maybe it needs reloading |
| 02:22.55 | ImaLamer | replace start with restart |
| 02:23.07 | Mike3620_ | ImaLamer: Nope just one out of the 5 how do I set it |
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| 02:23.09 | dekiss | im not sure how /usr/sbin/nginx differst from /etc/init.d/nginx |
| 02:23.13 | LtL | dekiss: try /etc/init.d/nginx status |
| 02:23.14 | ImaLamer | best to get into the habit of restarting both (to be sure) |
| 02:23.17 | tharkun_ | Mike3620_: I'm sure znc has a binding addres on its config file. I'm sure it is written somewhere on its docs |
| 02:23.29 | dekiss | bot commands start nginx but on website of nginx says to use usr/bin/nginx why how they differ |
| 02:23.38 | ImaLamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.40 | ImaLamer | use init.d |
| 02:23.41 | Mike3620_ | Thank you will try resetting it |
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| 02:24.08 | ImaLamer | Mike3620_: if that IP goes to a different machine you will probably have a bad time |
| 02:24.17 | dekiss | ImaLamer, init.d is liek shorctu to the binry? |
| 02:24.26 | dekiss | binary* |
| 02:24.28 | Mike3620_ | ImaLamer: Nope it doesn't |
| 02:24.44 | tharkun_ | dekiss: /usr/sbin/nginx is a binary /etc/init.d/nginx is a shell script |
| 02:24.53 | dekiss | what is shell script |
| 02:24.56 | dekiss | like shortcut? |
| 02:25.04 | glycol | dekiss: you can open the file yourself with gedit |
| 02:25.09 | tharkun_ | dekiss: cat /etc/init.d/nginx |
| 02:25.15 | ImaLamer | dekiss: yes and no... you can inspect the init.d file with 'cat /etc/init.d/nginx' to see |
| 02:25.23 | dekiss | ok |
| 02:25.30 | tharkun_ | dekiss: cat /usr/sbin/nginx and you will get lots of noise |
| 02:25.33 | ImaLamer | (a complicated shortcut) |
| 02:26.05 | ImaLamer | in essence, you use the init.d file to fire up the binary :) |
| 02:26.12 | dekiss | i am not sure why nginx.org says to satart nginx with /usr/bin/nginx |
| 02:26.26 | jmcnaught | ImaLamer: thanks. i'm trying to get started with some sort of configuration management. i'm thinking about using .deb packages to handle custom configuration files that I can install on multiple VPS systems that i run |
| 02:26.44 | ImaLamer | oh in that case jmcnaught |
| 02:27.14 | dekiss | http://wiki.nginx.org/CommandLine |
| 02:27.16 | LtL | dekiss: maybe nginx.org isn't distro specific |
| 02:27.16 | dekiss | see |
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| 02:27.17 | tharkun_ | dekiss: Becaus scripts in /etc/init.d are usually made by distros and can differ a lot. If you start on a way stated by upstream it is easier for them to isolate isues |
| 02:27.28 | dekiss | ok I see thank you |
| 02:27.35 | jmcnaught | funkygibbon: for what it's worth, i just tried that ssllabs site use linked to on fresh install of apache+mod_ssl under wheezy and it listed TLS 1.2 and 1.1 as supported |
| 02:27.45 | glycol | dekiss: nginx is packaged in a way to integrate well with the distro, they tell on nginx.org to do it that way because they can't assume you're running debian |
| 02:28.18 | ImaLamer | or even a system that uses init.d scripts... |
| 02:28.25 | elkingrey | I'm trying to get a web browser gaming site to load. I've got flashplugin-nonfree installed, and yet the page still won't load. Is there some other nonfree software that is normally needed that doesn't come standard with Debian? |
| 02:28.59 | dekiss | nice |
| 02:29.08 | zykotick9 | elkingrey: java? ;) |
| 02:29.12 | ImaLamer | elkingrey: some flash games never load for me on non-windows systems (words with friends barely works even in some windows installs i use) |
| 02:29.14 | dekiss | I have both runing now nginx with php5-fpm jst to check for port 9000 |
| 02:29.49 | ImaLamer | does anyone know if nginx will have the infamous php info file for him to check out? |
| 02:30.04 | dekiss | It seems I need to configure php5-fpm |
| 02:30.14 | dekiss | thats what ##php peopel said :S |
| 02:30.29 | elkingrey | Maybe it's because my iceweasel version is 10. What is the backports line I need to add to my sources.list to get up to date iceweasel? |
| 02:30.30 | jmcnaught | dekiss: are you following a how-to? |
| 02:30.56 | ImaLamer | backports.mozilla.org i do believe |
| 02:31.03 | ImaLamer | elkingrey: are you using wheezy? |
| 02:31.04 | LtL | elkingrey: go to mozilla.debian.net |
| 02:31.06 | funkygibbon | jmcnaught, that's good to know, I suppose.... but a dist-upgrade is going to be a LOT more work that I was hoping the gnutls patch would be |
| 02:31.11 | moof2 | the debian packaging probably does the config you're (and they're) talking about |
| 02:31.19 | funkygibbon | I think sites on this server will just have to remain semi-vulnerable |
| 02:31.31 | elkingrey | Yes, wheezy |
| 02:31.32 | tharkun_ | !dpkg tell elkingrey about bpo |
| 02:31.32 | zykotick9 | elkingrey: do you have "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" in your sources? |
| 02:32.11 | dekiss | jmcnaught, I am yes but I wil ltry to learn wait |
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| 02:33.01 | ImaLamer | elkingrey: deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports iceweasel-release |
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| 02:33.19 | dekiss | I am so sorry people bothering you there it is in the how to :S |
| 02:33.24 | elkingrey | ImaLamer: Excellent! Thanks! |
| 02:33.38 | ImaLamer | dekiss: that's why we come here :D |
| 02:33.40 | zykotick9 | ,versions iceweasel |
| 02:33.41 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.12esr-1; jessie: 10.0.12esr-1+nmu1; wheezy-security: 17.0.6esr-1~deb7u1; sid: 17.0.6esr-1; experimental: 21.0-1 |
| 02:34.05 | LtL | elkingrey: you'll need the gpg key |
| 02:34.08 | elkingrey | Also, when I see youtube videos embedded in blogs, I'm unable to view them. Only if I go to Youtube directly can I watch the video. What do I need to install in order to watch directly from somebody's blog? |
| 02:34.10 | RMapZero | Hey y'all. I'm having some kind of crazy problems with installing mysql. |
| 02:34.30 | elkingrey | LtL: Following instructions on mozilla.debian.net right now. |
| 02:34.40 | LtL | elkingrey: that'll work |
| 02:34.42 | ImaLamer | elkingrey: do you have a plugin blocking them? |
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| 02:34.55 | jmcnaught | dekiss: usually what i do is read 3 or 4 different how-tos and compare them all, see how they're different. then i make a plan based on notes from that research. that really helps me get my head around the issue, understand the concepts involved, and spot potential pitfalls. |
| 02:34.56 | RMapZero | One thing is they ask me to set up a password, but it never works. |
| 02:34.58 | zykotick9 | LtL: ahhh, iceweasel 17 is in security for wheezy. no m.d.n required... |
| 02:35.07 | RMapZero | I've tried apt-get remove mysql-etc., etc. |
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| 02:35.49 | jmcnaught | dekiss: so maybe read a few more how-tos on nginx+php, and try and see what you're missing? |
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| 02:36.27 | ImaLamer | RMapZero: try 'apt-get purge mysql' to remove the config files too |
| 02:36.36 | ImaLamer | (if you want to simply start over) |
| 02:36.41 | RMapZero | Yeah, I tried that as well. |
| 02:36.49 | RMapZero | Is there a way to check that the config files are gone? |
| 02:37.21 | ImaLamer | 'ls /etc/mysql' |
| 02:37.23 | glycol | elkingrey: best method i know of is to download directly from mozilla, extract to /opt, get rid of iceweasel, make up a firefox.desktop manually and mark /opt/firefox as rw so the auto-updater will work |
| 02:37.34 | RMapZero | Thanks, I'll check that now. |
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| 02:38.07 | zykotick9 | glycol: lame... iceweasel is firefox... why use out of debian software, when you don't have to? |
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| 02:39.44 | glycol | zykotick9: iceweasel is at version 10, and the current stable is 21 |
| 02:40.04 | zykotick9 | glycol: wheezy is at version 17, what's the problem? |
| 02:40.16 | ImaLamer | wasn't there a recent update? |
| 02:40.25 | dekiss | where can I find nginx configuration files on wheezy? |
| 02:40.28 | zykotick9 | ImaLamer: security-update even... |
| 02:40.40 | LtL | glebihan: mdn has iceweasel 21 |
| 02:40.45 | ImaLamer | dekiss: likely under /etc/nginx |
| 02:40.46 | zykotick9 | ,versions iceweasel |
| 02:40.47 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.12esr-1; jessie: 10.0.12esr-1+nmu1; wheezy-security: 17.0.6esr-1~deb7u1; sid: 17.0.6esr-1; experimental: 21.0-1 |
| 02:40.54 | LtL | glebihan: sorry |
| 02:41.11 | LtL | glycol: mozilla.debian.net has iceweasel 21 |
| 02:41.47 | glycol | oh |
| 02:41.52 | moof2 | dekiss, take a look at... dpkg --help | less |
| 02:41.56 | jmcnaught | i really like the new iceweasel policy for wheezy of tracking the ESR series from mozilla |
| 02:42.33 | moof2 | (see if you can answer this question: how can dpkg tell me the list of files in the package) |
| 02:42.44 | ImaLamer | likes the debian policy on 99% of the packages |
| 02:43.10 | zykotick9 | jmcnaught: how "stable" is stable ;) ubuntu already went down this road... mozilla/chromium verion racing isn't helping anyone. |
| 02:43.51 | RMapZero | ImaLamer: That directory exists even after sudo apt-get remove mysql-server mysql-server-5.5 |
| 02:44.14 | ImaLamer | RMapZero: you need to replace 'remove' with 'purge' |
| 02:44.16 | zykotick9 | RMapZero: try purge is you want rid of everything |
| 02:44.23 | RMapZero | Sorry, I did remove then purge. |
| 02:44.40 | RMapZero | Oh wait, maybe I didn't. |
| 02:44.42 | RMapZero | Let me check. |
| 02:44.53 | RMapZero | Jeez, brainfart. |
| 02:44.58 | ImaLamer | it happens |
| 02:45.17 | ImaLamer | at least it's an easy problem to fix |
| 02:45.51 | RMapZero | OK, I ran purge and there's still conf.d, debian.cnf and my.cnf |
| 02:46.09 | tharkun_ | RMapZero: Do you know what rm can do? |
| 02:46.15 | RMapZero | Should I just delete the directoy? |
| 02:46.43 | RMapZero | Well I just mean I was wondering if that directory is the only location of the config. |
| 02:47.04 | jmcnaught | zykotick9: maybe instead of version numbers they should use version colours, and just cycle through a spectrum. "uh oh firefox bright orange is out and i'm still using pale yellow!" |
| 02:47.34 | RMapZero | jmcnaught: Chrome is kinda like that with the rolling version releases. |
| 02:47.37 | ImaLamer | jmcnaught: like chrome canary and the gold icon? |
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| 02:47.54 | RMapZero | Though it's just yellow if you're behind by a little bit and red if you're behind by a lot. |
| 02:48.02 | jmcnaught | heh maybe i guess. i don't really use chrome except on other people's computers |
| 02:48.17 | ImaLamer | i use either depending on my mood |
| 02:48.43 | ImaLamer | and iceweasel in debian mostly, i never fire up firefox in windows |
| 02:48.47 | dekiss | I can't open two files windows in gnome? |
| 02:48.58 | jmcnaught | sometimes i use epiphany, or lynx on some really bad days |
| 02:49.30 | ImaLamer | lynx ftw |
| 02:49.36 | AsumFace | elinks ftw |
| 02:49.48 | ImaLamer | dekiss: as in two file managers? yes |
| 02:49.58 | ImaLamer | i prefer pine for email |
| 02:50.04 | ImaLamer | shhh non-free |
| 02:50.15 | dekiss | how can I copy paste files accross my os from files windows in gnome |
| 02:50.19 | dekiss | I think i cant coz im not root :S |
| 02:50.32 | dekiss | ImaLamer, and how can i open two file managers |
| 02:50.42 | RMapZero | Bizarre. |
| 02:50.44 | dekiss | how to become root in file manager in gnome |
| 02:50.50 | RMapZero | Same shit again. "Unable to set password for the MySQL "root" user." |
| 02:51.12 | tharkun_ | dekiss: if gnome mounted the File System you can use a simple cp to do it. |
| 02:51.26 | jmcnaught | ImaLamer: i did like pine. i've never really found a mail client i really loved, they all have something wrong with them that evenrtually drives me nuts |
| 02:52.10 | tharkun_ | jmcnaught: mutt "All email clients suck. This one sucks less." Or something similar |
| 02:52.38 | moof2 | jmcnaught. write one you do like |
| 02:53.24 | jmcnaught | moof2: that is actually on my agenda. it's gonna really suck! |
| 02:53.45 | LtL | dekiss: CLI is your friend, use a terminal. |
| 02:53.47 | ImaLamer | dekiss: you can start nautilus as root under gnome, but the command under gnome3 isn't the same (i just read) |
| 02:54.22 | dekiss | I used cp but now i need to delete fiels gona read a bit feel liek im asking too much basic questions :) |
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| 02:54.36 | dekiss | thanks you for help people |
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| 02:54.50 | tharkun_ | dekiss: su and sudo are nice to use cp ain't graphical but gets the job done chown and chmod also do their stuff. But most of all man is the way to go |
| 02:54.51 | glycol | dekiss: you can create a file in ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts and paste this in: http://pastebin.com/BY6rBQg7 |
| 02:55.23 | ImaLamer | dekiss: it's actually easier for us to help you with CLI stuff |
| 02:55.41 | ImaLamer | dekiss: GUI stuff... you could be doing anything and we can't see it :D |
| 02:56.02 | glycol | and it will be available in the context menu > Scripts > (name of the file), make sure the file is executable |
| 02:56.05 | dekiss | file manager is called nautilus? |
| 02:56.07 | dekiss | ^^ |
| 02:56.16 | glycol | yes |
| 02:56.18 | ImaLamer | yes |
| 02:56.21 | dekiss | ok thanks :) |
| 02:56.32 | dekiss | linux has sould doesn't it :) |
| 02:56.48 | dekiss | nice |
| 02:58.34 | dekiss | hm |
| 02:58.42 | dekiss | -rm is not deleting files why? |
| 02:59.00 | tharkun_ | dekiss: what is the output of the command? |
| 02:59.17 | dekiss | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:59.29 | dekiss | nothing for output |
| 02:59.43 | dekiss | I must be in directory to delete files? |
| 02:59.46 | tharkun_ | dekiss: ls -lah /usr/share/nginx/www/index.htm |
| 02:59.52 | moof2 | no, |
| 03:00.03 | ImaLamer | dekiss: you did good, it's prob gone |
| 03:00.05 | tharkun_ | If there is no output the file is gone |
| 03:00.12 | dekiss | its not gone :S |
| 03:00.14 | ImaLamer | dekiss: but avoid using '-f' on regular files |
| 03:00.21 | dekiss | but I can see it with nautilus |
| 03:00.30 | tharkun_ | dekiss: ls -lah /usr/share/nginx/www/index.htm |
| 03:00.38 | tharkun_ | what output does it gives yuo? |
| 03:01.02 | elkng | ImaLamer: "avoid using '-f'", for command "rm" ? |
| 03:01.03 | moof2 | as you can see, you can specify the place where the file is, in an absolute way (aka relative to /) |
| 03:01.07 | intelikey | prefers the -lash |
| 03:01.07 | ImaLamer | F5 |
| 03:01.11 | dekiss | nautilus showing deleted files i did reload |
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| 03:01.16 | ImaLamer | when possible |
| 03:01.23 | dekiss | tharkun it says file is missing |
| 03:01.30 | tharkun_ | dekiss: your file is gone |
| 03:01.31 | moof2 | dekiss, understand that part? |
| 03:01.40 | dekiss | why nautilus stil lshowing files |
| 03:01.47 | ImaLamer | refresh |
| 03:01.50 | dekiss | moof2, ye |
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| 03:02.19 | dekiss | I did reload in nautilus ut still deleted files showing |
| 03:02.27 | dekiss | I am sorry |
| 03:02.27 | dekiss | all |
| 03:02.30 | dekiss | it is 5 am |
| 03:02.40 | dekiss | everything is fine |
| 03:02.48 | dekiss | I deleted wrong files -_- I think im gona sleep now :D |
| 03:02.58 | dekiss | before I make something stupid hehe sorry all and thanks |
| 03:03.00 | ImaLamer | see you tomorrow? |
| 03:03.04 | tharkun_ | dekiss: because nautilus works on a different way. The beauty of the CLI is that whatever you do is done, else you get an error message with the right info to fix the mistake |
| 03:03.05 | dekiss | :) |
| 03:03.07 | dekiss | sure |
| 03:03.07 | ImaLamer | don't apologize |
| 03:03.19 | dekiss | no man tharkun I deleted wrong files thats why everything is fins :S |
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| 03:03.40 | ImaLamer | see: avoid using -f when possible :) |
| 03:04.25 | tharkun_ | dekiss: There is a point in time where you are safer sleeping than trying to fix something. Time to turn your computer off. Grab some ZZZ. |
| 03:05.16 | dekiss | people actually nautilus is deleting files too in real time, so when I have nautilus opened and I delete files in terminal nautilus updates and files are gone there too ^^ |
| 03:05.21 | dekiss | I think windows dont have this |
| 03:05.23 | dekiss | nice |
| 03:05.40 | intelikey | export rm='/bin/rm -I' |
| 03:05.44 | dekiss | tharkun yep you areright |
| 03:06.35 | ImaLamer | you know, the gui does (sometimes) help with no sleep |
| 03:06.38 | tharkun_ | intelikey: Please that is insane one of the major flaws of rm that they refuse to correct P |
| 03:06.43 | tharkun_ | ;P |
| 03:06.45 | ImaLamer | something to be said about the metaphor for tired brains |
| 03:07.52 | intelikey | tharkun -i might be insane, -I on the other hand is quite sane. |
| 03:09.09 | intelikey | -I == --interactive=once |
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| 03:10.32 | tharkun_ | intelikey: I ended up removing both. Since I ended up using -rf almost allways on the systems that had them install |
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| 03:11.32 | tharkun_ | If i want to remove a file I want it gone. If I need to use a regexp to delete it then something is wrong on the first place |
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| 03:12.01 | tharkun_ | goes grab something to dine and then sleep |
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| 03:13.00 | moof2 | -rf when you want a single specific file is an unnecessary and bad habit |
| 03:13.18 | intelikey | very bad habit |
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| 03:13.58 | ImaLamer | * |
| 03:14.07 | elkng | why is there "rmdir" whereas "rm" is enough ? |
| 03:14.14 | ImaLamer | waste of calories at that |
| 03:14.39 | moof2 | rmdir is for specific dirs which are empty |
| 03:14.54 | moof2 | rm uses rmdir |
| 03:15.04 | elkng | moof2: rm can delete empty ones, why do you need rmdir ? |
| 03:15.11 | intelikey | elkng true rm will work the same on a dir |
| 03:15.21 | intelikey | inode == inode |
| 03:15.36 | moof2 | because at the C level, rmdir is the only thing that can remove dirs, and they must be empty |
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| 03:16.25 | intelikey | moof2 then rmdir should be a lib of rm |
| 03:16.53 | moof2 | and what it actually is, is something in libc |
| 03:17.34 | moof2 | I can see that they could be grouped together |
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| 03:19.43 | mumpitzel | moof2: "at the C level" there exists oonly unlink. repeat after me: "everything is a file" |
| 03:20.09 | mumpitzel | rmdir() does not exist |
| 03:20.16 | ImaLamer | be back later, i'm getting into this episode of quantum leap |
| 03:20.42 | ImaLamer | it's about a brothel! |
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| 03:20.57 | moof2 | I thought I saw it in libc |
| 03:21.01 | intelikey | hmm startup error: can't start hal, make sure that dbus is running... ? dbus-daemon has an active pid what gives here ? |
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| 03:24.12 | intelikey | simple test for hal ??? |
| 03:24.39 | intelikey | insert cdrom ? will that show if hal is working ? |
| 03:25.03 | moof2 | , file rmdir |
| 03:25.08 | judd | Search for rmdir in wheezy/i386: coreutils: bin/rmdir; gfarm-client: usr/bin/gfrmdir; hfsutils: usr/bin/hrmdir; librapi2-tools: usr/bin/synce-prmdir; kbuild: usr/bin/kmk_rmdir; ecaccess: usr/bin/ecaccess-file-rmdir; mc: usr/lib/mc/fish/rmdir; yash: usr/share/yash/completion/rmdir; scheme9: usr/lib/s9fes/help/sys_rmdir; gnulib: usr/share/gnulib/modules/rmdir; librapi2-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/bin |
| 03:25.10 | judd | /synce-prmdir; epic4-help: usr/share/epic4/help/6_Functions/rmdir |
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| 03:27.48 | x0077BE | Removing /etc/mysql did not help at all. |
| 03:28.15 | x0077BE | It actually made things worse, because for some reason after sudo apt-get install mysql-server-5.5 mysql-server the directory wasn't re-created. |
| 03:28.36 | x0077BE | So now I get WARNING: /etc/mysql.cnf cannot be read |
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| 03:31.44 | moof2 | x0077BE, I guess you need that config file |
| 03:32.05 | x0077BE | I dunno, seems unlikely. |
| 03:32.16 | x0077BE | I think the problem is that I'm missing an important package. |
| 03:32.25 | x0077BE | When I remove/purge. |
| 03:32.54 | x0077BE | I'm sorta considering just installing a new image. |
| 03:32.57 | x0077BE | I dunno. |
| 03:33.14 | moof2 | what's the main package? mysql-server? |
| 03:33.21 | moof2 | we can look at its deps |
| 03:33.31 | x0077BE | I think it's mysql-server and mysql-server-5.5 |
| 03:33.46 | moof2 | , depends mysql-server-5.5 |
| 03:33.48 | judd | Package mysql-server-5.5 in wheezy/i386 -- depends: mysql-client-5.5 (>= 5.5.30+dfsg-1.1), libdbi-perl, perl (>= 5.6), libc6 (>= 2.12), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, psmisc, passwd, lsb-base (>= 3.0-10), mysql-server-core-5.5 (>= 5.5.30+dfsg-1.1), initscripts (>= 2.88dsf-13.3),mysql-common (>= 5.5.30+dfsg-1.1), adduser (>= 3.40), debconf. |
| 03:34.01 | x0077BE | Hm... |
| 03:34.15 | x0077BE | Probably mysql-server-core-5.5 |
| 03:34.49 | x0077BE | , depends mysql-server |
| 03:34.50 | judd | Package mysql-server in wheezy/i386 -- depends: mysql-server-5.5. |
| 03:35.08 | x0077BE | Cool, I'll just remove them all and try from start. |
| 03:35.30 | x0077BE | Thanks moof2 |
| 03:36.43 | moof2 | use the package tools to do that, not rm :) |
| 03:37.00 | x0077BE | Yeah, for sure. |
| 03:37.08 | moof2 | I did find rmdir() |
| 03:37.19 | moof2 | take a look in source of coreutils |
| 03:38.05 | moof2 | now, I didn't yet find where it's defined |
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| 03:39.41 | moof2 | the first use of rmdir() I found is in remove_parents() |
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| 03:42.52 | x0077BE | Whoooo |
| 03:42.54 | x0077BE | Finally worked. |
| 03:42.57 | x0077BE | Thanks moof2 |
| 03:43.03 | moof2 | welcoem :) |
| 03:43.34 | x0077BE | Now I just need to figure out how to forward pings to my server. |
| 03:43.42 | x0077BE | Seems... really difficult. |
| 03:43.56 | x0077BE | I'm trying to have a little ping tunnel server set up. |
| 03:44.11 | moof2 | forward? hmm. I dunno how to forward icmp |
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| 03:44.26 | x0077BE | Yeah, I flashed DD-WRT onto my router. |
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| 03:44.46 | x0077BE | I think it's an iptable rule I need to figure out. |
| 03:45.23 | x0077BE | Weirdly, I occasionally see pings on that server. |
| 03:45.26 | x0077BE | Somehow. |
| 03:45.36 | moof2 | I don't remember if iptables knows about icmp (it might, you may wish to google for Rusty's Remarkably Unreliable Guides) |
| 03:46.00 | x0077BE | Yeah, it knows about icmp. |
| 03:46.06 | x0077BE | http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch14_:_Linux_Firewalls_Using_iptables#Table_14-1_Processing_For_Packets_Routed_By_The_Firewall |
| 03:46.55 | x0077BE | Reading the Rusty's Guide thing now though. Thanks again moof2. |
| 03:47.25 | moof2 | yeah, I dunno, it might be useful to you altho you might know about all that stuff already |
| 03:48.11 | moof2 | in any caase you're welcome |
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| 04:00.25 | moof2 | another use of rmdir() is in rmdir.c, in main() |
| 04:02.50 | mumpitzel | moof2: do you know what a wrapper function is? |
| 04:03.19 | mumpitzel | moof2: rmdir () is defined in unistd.h the POSIX API |
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| 04:03.48 | mumpitzel | moof2: http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Deleting-Files.html |
| 04:03.55 | moof2 | so that's the declaration... where is the definition? |
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| 04:05.02 | mumpitzel | I don't have libc source here so I dunno (and frankly I don't care) |
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| 04:05.51 | moof2 | ok, so then the summary is: I thought I saw that rmdir() is defines as a C function to be used by applications. and, this is confirmed. |
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| 04:19.47 | dekiss | why php is not working on nginx I have debia7 |
| 04:19.48 | dekiss | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:19.48 | dekiss | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.07 | ImaLamer | dekiss: i thought you were sleeping |
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| 04:22.55 | dekiss | :S |
| 04:22.58 | dekiss | I wish |
| 04:23.12 | ImaLamer | how far are you in your install? |
| 04:23.22 | dekiss | I can;t understand why php is not working |
| 04:23.32 | dekiss | I installed php5 and php5-fpm and nginx |
| 04:24.05 | ImaLamer | is the site/server working? |
| 04:25.21 | ImaLamer | if so, where are your files? '/usr/share/nginx/www/' |
| 04:26.23 | dekiss | yeeeeeeeee I got it working ^^ |
| 04:26.36 | dekiss | I didn't configured nginx default chists right |
| 04:26.40 | ImaLamer | did you try to make it listen on IP |
| 04:26.52 | dekiss | no I don't have IP |
| 04:27.05 | dekiss | I have dynamic IP and my ISP has against hosting Policy |
| 04:27.12 | dekiss | blocking me from hosting somehow |
| 04:27.22 | ImaLamer | i mean php |
| 04:27.23 | dekiss | can they block just incoming traffic on port 80? |
| 04:27.32 | ImaLamer | sometimes they do |
| 04:27.44 | dekiss | so they can block just incoing traffic on port 80? |
| 04:28.07 | ImaLamer | depends, you can likely use another port - but then you have to share that |
| 04:28.21 | dekiss | how you mean to share that |
| 04:28.44 | ImaLamer | i was going to say that the default install of that php package didn't need the settings changed to listen on port 9000 |
| 04:28.56 | moof2 | you can avoid fights with your ISP by just getting hosting |
| 04:29.22 | ImaLamer | like... http://7.32.18.35:49/ instead of just the ip address |
| 04:29.28 | dekiss | but |
| 04:29.33 | dekiss | moof2, :) |
| 04:30.02 | dekiss | ImaLamer, can I set that to the name server ^^ |
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| 04:30.09 | moof2 | if you do something for them to fight about, they may kick you out for violating policy |
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| 04:30.46 | dekiss | can I configure name server so redirects traffic to different port on my ip address? |
| 04:30.57 | LtL | dekiss: go to a site and have your ip scanned or have it nmap'ed for port 80 being blocked |
| 04:31.12 | dekiss | know any such? |
| 04:31.35 | LtL | dekiss: my isp doesn't allow servers but i've done it many times |
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| 04:32.00 | ImaLamer | you can sometimes find out how much they enforce this by reading online review |
| 04:32.01 | LtL | dekiss: grc.com iirc, google shields-up |
| 04:32.05 | ImaLamer | reviews even |
| 04:32.16 | dekiss | I don;'t have any port open to publc |
| 04:32.27 | dekiss | LtL, how ? |
| 04:32.32 | dekiss | how you have done it |
| 04:32.42 | LtL | dekiss: you ehind a router/firewall? |
| 04:32.49 | LtL | *behind |
| 04:33.00 | dekiss | yes |
| 04:33.06 | dekiss | I can forward ports there np |
| 04:33.07 | dekiss | hm |
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| 04:33.09 | dekiss | soo |
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| 04:33.23 | LtL | dekiss: i just fire up apache and use my numeric address, port forwarded if need be |
| 04:33.25 | dekiss | I can set nameserver to send packets to other port on my ip address than 80? |
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| 04:33.38 | dekiss | or some port then redirect the port to port 80 on my server I guess |
| 04:34.16 | ImaLamer | some dynamic IP hosting can forward a name to a port by redirection |
| 04:34.29 | ImaLamer | er dynamic DNS even |
| 04:34.39 | ImaLamer | i should be the one sleeping |
| 04:34.57 | LtL | dekiss: does your server, serve up pages locally |
| 04:34.59 | atot | dekiss: virtualhost 81 nameser your_domain |
| 04:35.14 | atot | http:yourdomain:81 |
| 04:35.21 | atot | http://yourdomain:81 |
| 04:35.23 | dekiss | yes my nginx is just fine serving on localhost^^ |
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| 04:35.45 | dekiss | atot where should I put that |
| 04:35.51 | ImaLamer | ideally, you'd find yourpick.dynamic dns something.com -> yourip:port |
| 04:36.03 | LtL | dekiss: have you tried port forwarding i guess i don't understand the problem |
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| 04:36.38 | ImaLamer | giving out and remembering port numbers sucks, normal people don't know what ports are |
| 04:36.42 | atot | dekise virtualhost |
| 04:36.56 | ImaLamer | 'normal' |
| 04:36.59 | ImaLamer | i am sleeping |
| 04:37.22 | dekiss | I think my ISP have block all ports for incoming traffic |
| 04:37.27 | dekiss | but how I download files then? |
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| 04:38.23 | atot | your speak spanish? |
| 04:38.39 | LtL | dekiss: you download use privileged ports to d/l |
| 04:39.03 | Dj_Dexter | dekiss: ,mmmmmm |
| 04:39.08 | Dj_Dexter | use a ssh tunnel :) |
| 04:39.09 | LtL | dekiss: sorry, you don't download using privileged ports |
| 04:39.10 | Dj_Dexter | is possible |
| 04:39.42 | dekiss | I can't establish connection |
| 04:39.46 | dekiss | hm |
| 04:39.54 | dekiss | I will try to redirect ports |
| 04:40.03 | dekiss | my router redirect ports by default? |
| 04:40.26 | ImaLamer | probably not |
| 04:40.35 | ImaLamer | it may block port 80 |
| 04:40.40 | LtL | dekiss: check, scan service ports, https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 |
| 04:40.42 | dekiss | I still don't understand how ISP blocks all prots for incoming traffic when I can downlaod files.. |
| 04:41.00 | ImaLamer | they don't really |
| 04:41.24 | ImaLamer | they battle against select ports with different methods to make things hard on you |
| 04:41.36 | ImaLamer | (and sometimes save their networks i guess) |
| 04:42.38 | dekiss | what is difference between port mapping and port trigering any idea? |
| 04:42.42 | dekiss | they look same to me |
| 04:42.52 | atot | Dj_Dexter: hello |
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| 04:43.11 | Dj_Dexter | atot: hi :) |
| 04:43.33 | ImaLamer | dekiss: does your router allow you to forward (on either) by hostname alone? |
| 04:43.49 | ImaLamer | dekiss: as in your debain install's hostname |
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| 04:45.18 | ImaLamer | (you want port mapping, sorry) |
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| 04:45.32 | LtL | dekiss: forward port 80 tcp to your box and check, you're never gonna know otherwise |
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| 04:46.31 | LtL | dekiss: then just http to your ip, it should answer hopefully |
| 04:46.46 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i'm trying to reinstall grub using the following command: sudo grub-install /dev/sda....but i get the following error: This GPT partition label has no BIOS Boot Partition; embedding won't be possible!., /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Embedding is not possible. GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists. However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged.. |
| 04:46.48 | ImaLamer | trying to skip the next trouble of when it changes IP's |
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| 04:47.12 | Clinteger | hi guys |
| 04:47.20 | Clinteger | and gals? |
| 04:47.48 | ImaLamer | it was installed there before? |
| 04:49.01 | dekiss | I have port mapping and port triggering on my router |
| 04:49.08 | ImaLamer | use port mapping |
| 04:49.22 | LtL | dekiss: you want port forwarding |
| 04:49.32 | ImaLamer | it's called mapping for him |
| 04:49.41 | LtL | mapping may be the same, not sure |
| 04:49.45 | LtL | yeah |
| 04:49.45 | ImaLamer | triggering is not going to work for the server |
| 04:50.08 | ImaLamer | just ruled one of two out |
| 04:50.15 | dekiss | I must write internal host ip address and I must there put my ip address |
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| 04:50.28 | ImaLamer | ip to your debain install |
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| 04:50.43 | LtL | dekiss: you allow traffic on port 80 to your subnet ip |
| 04:51.02 | dekiss | how to find subnet ip -_- |
| 04:51.09 | ImaLamer | you should be pointing 80 to your debain install's ip and port 80 |
| 04:51.14 | LtL | dekiss: ipconfig or ip a |
| 04:51.23 | dekiss | but thing is this |
| 04:51.41 | dekiss | when i write my ip address router login comes but just from my pc |
| 04:51.47 | LtL | ifconfig sorry |
| 04:51.54 | dekiss | from other pc on other ip my router login doesnt come |
| 04:51.58 | dekiss | why/ |
| 04:52.27 | ImaLamer | can you see your webserver from other machines in the home? |
| 04:52.31 | ImaLamer | room? |
| 04:52.35 | dekiss | and how to check ips and stuff in terminal? netstat? |
| 04:52.43 | dekiss | ImaLamer, I wil ltry now |
| 04:52.56 | ImaLamer | you'll need the ip first |
| 04:53.06 | LtL | ImaLamer: my bet is he can |
| 04:53.08 | dekiss | how to see? |
| 04:53.32 | dekiss | I cant connecet other pc to this pc as this has linux :S |
| 04:53.36 | dekiss | others have windows 7 |
| 04:53.42 | dekiss | or I can? |
| 04:53.51 | LtL | dekiss: yes you can |
| 04:54.01 | dekiss | I think domain on this pc is same as homegroup on windows machines |
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| 04:54.12 | mumpitzel | dekiss:no it's not |
| 04:54.36 | Clinteger | hi, can someone here help with booting to debian on a macbook air 5,2? |
| 04:54.37 | ImaLamer | you can either reach it in their browsers with the hostname or the ip address |
| 04:55.09 | dekiss | tcp 0 0 Web1.local:55175 cameron.freenode.n:6665 ESTABLISHED |
| 04:55.10 | dekiss | udp6 0 0 localhost:60752 |
| 04:55.12 | dekiss | what is this |
| 04:55.26 | ImaLamer | irc it seems |
| 04:55.42 | ImaLamer | ifconfig |
| 04:56.08 | ImaLamer | you should see the ethernet or wireless IP address, right? |
| 04:57.00 | ImaLamer | brb |
| 04:57.20 | dekiss | which one is free port for sure? |
| 04:57.24 | dekiss | so I can use it for test |
| 04:57.50 | LtL | dekiss: not following you |
| 04:59.19 | LtL | dekiss: your port 80 is open, the router is blocking it, simply forward traffic to port 80 to your ifconfig address, probably 192.168.x.x something |
| 04:59.58 | moof2 | usually, as a server admin you know your free ports, so pick one for that machine |
| 05:00.12 | dekiss | but how you explain not possibility to login on my router from other ip address other computer? |
| 05:00.19 | dekiss | writing my ip address |
| 05:00.56 | dekiss | LtL, how to find ifconfig address |
| 05:01.28 | LtL | dekiss: type ifconfig in a terminal, eth0 probably is the interface |
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| 05:02.10 | dekiss | OMG I AM IN |
| 05:02.15 | dekiss | ^^ |
| 05:02.18 | dekiss | wait |
| 05:02.20 | dekiss | is this real |
| 05:02.21 | dekiss | :D |
| 05:02.25 | LtL | dekiss: every box on your lan can reach your inside address, its getting to it from the WAN is the issue |
| 05:02.27 | dekiss | OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG |
| 05:02.31 | dekiss | :DDDDDDDDDDDDDD |
| 05:02.35 | dekiss | THANK YOU PEOPLE SOO MUCH |
| 05:02.40 | dekiss | IM IN IM IN |
| 05:02.44 | dekiss | ^^ |
| 05:03.31 | dekiss | omg |
| 05:03.33 | LtL | good work dekiss |
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| 05:03.44 | dekiss | so the blocking was on my router level |
| 05:03.51 | dekiss | I though the blocking was on ISP level.. |
| 05:03.58 | dekiss | so they are such amatuers omg t-mobile |
| 05:04.04 | dekiss | thank you all again |
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| 05:04.33 | dekiss | I have some privileges to login to router |
| 05:04.39 | dekiss | but they are not admin level |
| 05:04.44 | LtL | dekiss: some isp's do prevent access to clients service ports except the ones they need such as dhcp and dns |
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| 05:04.59 | LtL | my forbids server but phuck'em |
| 05:05.03 | LtL | mine |
| 05:05.22 | mumpitzel | all consumer ISPs forbid servers |
| 05:05.49 | LtL | mumpitzel: i reckon so |
| 05:06.13 | smw | mumpitzel, all of them? |
| 05:06.28 | dekiss | why |
| 05:06.32 | dekiss | ddos I think |
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| 05:06.38 | dekiss | they fear ddos |
| 05:06.47 | smw | dekiss, no, they fear people not paying for business :-) |
| 05:06.50 | LtL | dekiss: logging into your router is ambiguous, from the lan yes from the wan = bad idea |
| 05:06.56 | dekiss | I really want to know how big comapnies and countries fight ddos there is literally no defence against them |
| 05:06.59 | hanasaki | sources.lst contains squeeze... should apt-get upgrade upgrade to wheezy? |
| 05:07.00 | mumpitzel | smw: haven't seen one where it's not forbidden in the AUP. |
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| 05:07.24 | mumpitzel | smw: business contracts often allow it, but consumer residential pretty much never |
| 05:07.30 | smw | mumpitzel, ah, I was thinking of technical limitations |
| 05:07.58 | dekiss | so if they find I am running web server can they sue me? ^^ |
| 05:08.08 | dekiss | there isn't stated in agreement that I cant run server |
| 05:08.16 | mumpitzel | no, they can cut your connection. they won't however |
| 05:08.19 | LtL | dekiss: they can fine you or just cut you off |
| 05:08.30 | dekiss | but that isn't stated |
| 05:08.44 | LtL | dekiss: i'm sure it is somewhere |
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| 05:08.49 | Nanuq | It's covered under fair use. |
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| 05:08.58 | dekiss | no no |
| 05:09.02 | dekiss | :) |
| 05:09.04 | smw | mumpitzel, I don't think TWC has anything in the terms of use. Granted, I am not sure I read it ;-) |
| 05:09.07 | mumpitzel | I'm very sure they don't allow servers. My ISP is the Deutsche Telekom too (same company as T-Mobile) and they certainly forbid servers. they don't care tho |
| 05:09.07 | LtL | dekiss: it's TOS terms of service |
| 05:09.30 | hanasaki | how to upgrade a server with squeeze to wheezy? |
| 05:09.45 | LtL | dekiss: isp expect you to be a client, not a server, end of story. |
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| 05:10.42 | dekiss | hm |
| 05:10.53 | dekiss | they must fear ddos |
| 05:10.54 | mumpitzel | !tell hanasaki about squeeze->wheezy |
| 05:11.05 | dekiss | i still dont know how they fight ddos theres no defence against it |
| 05:11.34 | dekiss | please can anyone give me some good documentation on how to set up name server on my computer? |
| 05:11.36 | LtL | dekiss: sure there is |
| 05:11.42 | \\Mr_C\\ | anyone do anything with garmin jtag/serial ports? or know the baud rate parameters? |
| 05:11.44 | epitamizor | huge firewalls route traffic to unloaded servers |
| 05:11.44 | hanasaki | thanks mumpitzel |
| 05:12.00 | LtL | dekiss: install bind, you dont wanna go there |
| 05:12.04 | dekiss | for hosting dns name servers what I need ? |
| 05:12.08 | dekiss | ahaha |
| 05:12.10 | dekiss | why? |
| 05:12.32 | dekiss | it is like port forwarding man just setting zone file ^^ |
| 05:12.43 | dekiss | you ahve no idea where I have been ^^ |
| 05:12.45 | dekiss | hehe |
| 05:12.50 | LtL | dekiss: its against your isp TOS for one and its a bit complicated but doable |
| 05:13.02 | dekiss | so you know someone that host name servers for free? |
| 05:13.03 | dekiss | ^^ |
| 05:13.05 | dekiss | or paid |
| 05:13.26 | LtL | nothing is free in this world ;) |
| 05:13.26 | dekiss | man I am sure they haven't mentioned anything about wsuch things |
| 05:14.05 | epitamizor | the air isnt even free |
| 05:14.07 | mumpitzel | dekiss: use no-ip.com |
| 05:14.22 | dekiss | afraid.org? :) |
| 05:14.23 | LtL | dekiss: are you in the US, i'm not gonna bother looking up your ip |
| 05:14.29 | epitamizor | someone died saying" give those people air!" |
| 05:14.35 | dekiss | man iamgine hacking server and installing web server on it :DDDDDDD |
| 05:14.42 | dekiss | or rendering images in background bahahah |
| 05:14.56 | dekiss | somehow I sense al lthis pirated torrents render images in background :D |
| 05:15.10 | dekiss | LtL, no im not usa |
| 05:15.35 | Nanuq | \\Mr_C\\: What sort of unit are we talking about? |
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| 05:15.45 | LtL | dekiss: google will give you many webhosting choices regardless of your country |
| 05:15.46 | elisa87 | somebody please help me ! I faced initramfs busybox ubuntu error when booting! And don't know what to do ! I am using a liveCD right now |
| 05:15.51 | dekiss | im joking just I hope yo uunderstand :) |
| 05:16.11 | dekiss | ill not do that something that is against laws etc. im gona check ISP tos now |
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| 05:16.43 | \\Mr_C\\ | actually i am not really sure, but on the board it has yg-918c |
| 05:16.56 | \\Mr_C\\ | someone gave me it all busted up, but the board is intact |
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| 05:17.04 | \\Mr_C\\ | and i wanted to see if i could put linux on it |
| 05:17.17 | elisa87 | digitalirony: please help me somebody please help me ! I faced initramfs busybox ubuntu error when booting! And don't know what to do ! I am using a liveCD right now |
| 05:17.19 | \\Mr_C\\ | all i get is garbage characters via serial cable |
| 05:17.27 | elisa87 | moof2: somebody please help me ! I faced initramfs busybox ubuntu error when booting! And don't know what to do ! I am using a liveCD right now please help me :((( |
| 05:17.58 | mumpitzel | elisa87: we don't support ubuntu |
| 05:17.59 | Nanuq | \\Mr_C\\: Try 4800 8N1? |
| 05:18.27 | \\Mr_C\\ | yes ive tried every baud rate |
| 05:18.49 | dekiss | is tehre section pof packages for dns hosting in synaptic? |
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| 05:19.26 | mumpitzel | dekiss: you cannot host your own DNS unless you have a static IP and rent a domain name |
| 05:19.49 | elisa87 | fsck: error 2 while executing fsck.ntfs-3g for /dev/sda1 --> what should I do |
| 05:19.55 | LtL | dekiss: aptitude show bind9 |
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| 05:20.15 | mumpitzel | elisa87: you should ask in #ubuntu. we don't support it |
| 05:20.27 | LtL | dekiss: mumpitzel is correct. |
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| 05:21.13 | \\Mr_C\\ | i know its working, because of all the crap its pasting, but nothing readable |
| 05:21.21 | dekiss | so to host dns nameserver I need to install only bind? |
| 05:21.35 | dekiss | mumpitzel, im gona use afraid.org |
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| 05:22.34 | mumpitzel | dekiss: afraid.org is then your DNS provider, you will not run your own DNS server |
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| 05:26.08 | dekiss | dos on dns servers exist? |
| 05:26.10 | moof2 | dekiss, what would you be using the name server for? just making lookups faster? |
| 05:26.37 | moof2 | hacks try to do a lot of things to dns servers |
| 05:27.04 | dekiss | I think Im gona code applciation in C that will check for my IP address on 5 sec and if changed will change ip address on name server |
| 05:27.13 | dekiss | updating authority name servers take time? |
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| 05:27.55 | dekiss | hm |
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| 05:27.57 | dekiss | no |
| 05:28.02 | dekiss | hey just point to my nameserver |
| 05:28.05 | mumpitzel | dekiss: you will be booted from the service soon if you do such a stupid thing |
| 05:28.21 | moof2 | you're advised that running an auth name server is not trivial, mostly I recommend you to let pros deal with that |
| 05:28.22 | dekiss | so who will tell tld servers that I host name server? |
| 05:28.27 | mumpitzel | dekiss: and what domain name would you use? |
| 05:28.41 | dekiss | :D dont know .com.mk .mk or .com |
| 05:28.47 | dekiss | .mk is my country's domain name |
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| 05:28.54 | mumpitzel | you cannot use a 2nd level domain unless you rent it with a yearly fee |
| 05:29.00 | dekiss | I know |
| 05:29.08 | moof2 | dns servers MUST have static IPs. if they;re authoritative over a domain. |
| 05:29.25 | dekiss | people please exaplin to me, who will tell tld servers that I host name server if just lets say I host one |
| 05:29.35 | dekiss | not that I will but theoretically speaking im curious |
| 05:29.49 | mumpitzel | dekiss: you do |
| 05:29.54 | dekiss | how? |
| 05:30.06 | mumpitzel | a web form usually |
| 05:30.12 | dekiss | where to send it? |
| 05:30.24 | mumpitzel | at the same place where you rent your domainname |
| 05:30.26 | dekiss | I hear this for first time ^^ |
| 05:30.36 | moof2 | propigation of a different name server takes a minimum of 24 hours |
| 05:30.42 | dekiss | aham so domain registrar tells them |
| 05:30.47 | Some_Person | Could someone please explain to me what this line in a shell script actually does? exec expect -f "$0" ${1+"$@"} |
| 05:30.55 | dekiss | and how much time it takes for them to be updated? |
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| 05:31.15 | mumpitzel | dekiss: up to 2 days |
| 05:31.20 | dekiss | ok thank you |
| 05:32.01 | dekiss | but I just tell them that I host name server so they redirect traffic to me, then if I make changes to name server that changes will be active momentarily? |
| 05:32.10 | moof2 | it's not practical, and it's possible your domain registrar will find this suspicious and stop letting you do it |
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| 05:34.51 | dekiss | omg I just realised that windows 8 have same thing like gnome when you go with mouse in the top right corner :D |
| 05:34.56 | dekiss | in gnome is top left hahaha :D |
| 05:35.05 | dekiss | omg they are real lossers -_- |
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| 05:35.21 | dekiss | not that I am happy with them more like sorry for Microsoft people |
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| 05:41.20 | ImaLamer | dekiss: you need to find "dynamic dns" |
| 05:41.40 | ImaLamer | sometimes your router will even tell a server when the world IP changes |
| 05:41.57 | ImaLamer | let the dynamic dns server handle the name server job |
| 05:42.46 | moof2 | what you refer to is a service that runs on a dns server on a static IP |
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| 05:43.43 | moof2 | there is at least one point I agree with... let them handle it |
| 05:44.21 | ImaLamer | you can be the hacker type by writing your own scripts or programs to update the dynamic dns service |
| 05:44.42 | cusco | dekiss: apple had that before there was osx |
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| 05:44.46 | dekiss | if I make changes to the nameserver this changes are active immeadetly? |
| 05:44.49 | ImaLamer | i feel special for having a machine ask the nameserver who it is and then updating the entry for that machine |
| 05:44.56 | cusco | hot corners are nothing new |
| 05:45.06 | moof2 | no. |
| 05:45.19 | dekiss | ok |
| 05:45.25 | ImaLamer | dekiss: you don't really need the nameserver on your machine at this point |
| 05:45.28 | moof2 | there is the usual propigation delay. 1-2 days. |
| 05:45.30 | dekiss | but I have never had experience with dynamic dns |
| 05:45.32 | dekiss | is it free? |
| 05:45.38 | ImaLamer | sometimes |
| 05:45.59 | ImaLamer | have we established you do not have a static IP address at this location |
| 05:46.47 | ImaLamer | in your case you need to rely on someone to be the more solid friend on the internet letting people know *where* you are |
| 05:46.51 | LtL | dekiss: it much lass hassle to rent a webhost, they get the headaches, but you don't get root. you need a VPS for that and theyre not cheap |
| 05:46.57 | moof2 | you should bite the bullet and get a remote |
| 05:47.11 | dekiss | ok I understand |
| 05:47.24 | dekiss | if I change nameserver settings I msut wait 1-2 days before they take effect? :S |
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| 05:47.38 | moof2 | yep. |
| 05:47.41 | LtL | dekiss: they usually pay the registrar fee too, its cheap |
| 05:47.43 | moof2 | due to propigation |
| 05:47.51 | ImaLamer | dekiss: in a situation where your address changes, you are a moving target, you need someone out there watcing you |
| 05:48.01 | ImaLamer | like the nsa |
| 05:48.14 | dekiss | I understand |
| 05:48.24 | dekiss | liek afraid.org? |
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| 05:48.28 | ImaLamer | sleeps 10 && |
| 05:48.30 | dekiss | that is free service or? |
| 05:48.37 | cusco | until some extend |
| 05:48.40 | cusco | I've used it |
| 05:48.45 | moof2 | one thing you should do yourself, is buy the domain... make sure no one else buys it |
| 05:48.46 | cusco | in ddclient |
| 05:48.52 | ImaLamer | i don't know if they do dynamic dns |
| 05:49.06 | cusco | they do |
| 05:49.07 | ImaLamer | dekiss: moof2 is correct |
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| 05:49.53 | moof2 | don't let any hosting company buy it... if you do, they will own your name and likely, you don't want that |
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| 05:50.19 | ImaLamer | moof2: i had to repo a domain |
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| 05:52.27 | dekiss | I am not sure if I buy .com domain from company which laws are protecting me? |
| 05:52.38 | dekiss | my country is very small and is not in EU or anywhere else |
| 05:53.05 | moof2 | for that, ask a lawyer for an opinion on that |
| 05:54.36 | cusco | most web hostings are certified registrars, nothing wrong with buying from one of those |
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| 05:57.08 | ImaLamer | what is your TLD again dekiss ? |
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| 05:58.15 | mumpitzel | ImaLamer: .mk |
| 05:59.30 | dekiss | I installed this http://www.inatech.eu/inadyn/readme.html but I can't run it |
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| 05:59.41 | dekiss | it says unknown command |
| 05:59.54 | dekiss | ImaLamer, .mk |
| 06:00.07 | dekiss | why? |
| 06:01.24 | ImaLamer | can you register with marnet.mk? |
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| 06:02.04 | dekiss | ImaLamer, yes |
| 06:02.18 | dekiss | why when I write inadyn with terminal it say uinknown command |
| 06:02.23 | dekiss | I just installed inadyn ? |
| 06:03.19 | mumpitzel | dekiss: dpkg -L inadyn|grep bin |
| 06:04.29 | dekiss | thank you |
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| 06:15.22 | dekiss | if I use no-ip.com for free they will put ads on my domain name? |
| 06:15.59 | ImaLamer | maybe |
| 06:16.14 | ImaLamer | there is a list of options actually on the inadyn webpage |
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| 06:16.53 | ImaLamer | will a debain install of PostgreSQL want to listen on the same port(s), etc, as an existing MySQL install? |
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| 06:21.12 | ImaLamer | oh i see 5432 |
| 06:21.53 | dekiss | man dynamic dns costs 5$ monthly |
| 06:21.57 | dekiss | i wont pay that :D |
| 06:22.09 | dekiss | im gona host my nameserver |
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| 06:22.32 | dekiss | so you say when my ip changes I should make changes in name server and it will take 2 days for tld nameservers to get updated? |
| 06:22.34 | ImaLamer | keep looking, there are plenty of free ones |
| 06:22.48 | ImaLamer | they will not use your nameserver |
| 06:23.03 | ImaLamer | _because_ it'll keep changing |
| 06:24.31 | moof2 | dekiss, usually the domain registrar has name servers, and usually the service comes with the domain |
| 06:24.43 | ImaLamer | not always |
| 06:25.01 | moof2 | didn't say always :) |
| 06:25.33 | epitamizor | people will host subdomains for free |
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| 06:25.59 | epitamizor | tld will cost you for sure |
| 06:26.00 | ImaLamer | third level / subdomains, sure |
| 06:26.02 | dekiss | moof2, no they ask me to put dns nameservers |
| 06:26.08 | dekiss | so I can register the domain |
| 06:26.32 | dekiss | but just curious |
| 06:26.53 | dekiss | if I make changes to my name server tld servers get updated in 2 days? so my changes wil ltake effect in 2 days? |
| 06:27.09 | ImaLamer | there is a list of options actually on the inadyn webpage <----- |
| 06:27.17 | moof2 | on the average, yes |
| 06:27.31 | dekiss | no ip is 15 $ a year -_- |
| 06:27.35 | dekiss | that is price with no ads? |
| 06:27.44 | epitamizor | thats seems about right |
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| 06:27.55 | ImaLamer | but they are not the only game in town |
| 06:28.03 | ImaLamer | it's a common service available |
| 06:28.16 | dekiss | yeah |
| 06:28.35 | ImaLamer | keep looking for free without ads dekiss |
| 06:28.43 | dekiss | I cant find something free affraid.org is even 5$ month |
| 06:28.53 | dekiss | will this slow my traffic to my website? |
| 06:29.09 | epitamizor | what type of website? |
| 06:29.51 | epitamizor | if its php scripts then $5 seems about right |
| 06:29.54 | moof2 | traffic goes over the internet, not a name server (however, if the name server delays telling the ip, that would have the effect of delaying) |
| 06:29.55 | ImaLamer | last time i build something from source and changed the package version apt still got the repository version - without holding them back can i do this another way? |
| 06:30.14 | ImaLamer | epitamizor: he's self hosting |
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| 06:30.55 | epitamizor | oh then opendns may work |
| 06:30.56 | dekiss | http://dnsdynamic.blog.com/ |
| 06:31.03 | dekiss | is this absolutely free no ads ? :D |
| 06:31.16 | ImaLamer | you can only try it |
| 06:31.26 | moof2 | I think the bottom line is this: learning to run a dns is probably about 3-6 months worth of material, how much time are you willing to spend? |
| 06:31.27 | ImaLamer | i can't recommend any at this time |
| 06:31.35 | dekiss | so this dynamic dns servers can have delay? :S |
| 06:31.40 | ImaLamer | no |
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| 06:31.54 | ImaLamer | dekiss: you are using them because they are stable and typically pretty fast |
| 06:32.05 | DMJC | I'm trying to build wine on debian amd64 |
| 06:32.14 | ImaLamer | dekiss: they will shorten that 1 to 2 day waiting time to update too |
| 06:32.24 | DMJC | is there a way to force it to use the 32-bit multilib libraries? |
| 06:32.41 | dekiss | but I cant host nameserver with dynamic ip right? even if I change it manually |
| 06:32.48 | DMJC | configure process says it can't find libxcursor but the 32-bit version is installed |
| 06:32.50 | ImaLamer | dekiss: no |
| 06:32.51 | dekiss | my ip only changes when I reset router |
| 06:32.59 | dekiss | can I host nameserver? |
| 06:33.09 | moof2 | dekiss, you're looking at 2 days every time you do that |
| 06:33.14 | ImaLamer | dekiss: not in your case |
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| 06:33.45 | dekiss | ok I see |
| 06:33.47 | ImaLamer | moof2: it's not practical - he needs to give a hostname to a registrar and he needs another dns server essentially |
| 06:34.14 | pbase | I am having a problem with the sound in wheezy. The speakers work for a while (~5 minutes) and then strangely stop working. I have to then use the headphones to hear the sounds. Is this a known issue? |
| 06:34.21 | moof2 | I guess he might choose to do it, and learn what's up the hard way |
| 06:34.42 | dekiss | opendns will give me services for free with no ads? |
| 06:34.43 | dekiss | ^^ |
| 06:34.57 | ImaLamer | right, but maybe getting down the path with the webserver is the start |
| 06:35.08 | dekiss | hm |
| 06:35.12 | dekiss | are you sure man? |
| 06:35.17 | dekiss | i dont want ads showing :( |
| 06:35.41 | ImaLamer | i don't think opendns is dynamic dns service |
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| 06:36.33 | moof2 | I'm also not sure how one would speed up dns propagation |
| 06:37.04 | ImaLamer | shorter TTL's on the sub domains or another redirection scheme |
| 06:37.09 | epitamizor | you cant, its up to the dns servers how they are configured |
| 06:37.10 | dekiss | ok |
| 06:37.25 | DMJC | hmm looks like they just need to fix the .pc file locations in the deb packages |
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| 06:37.32 | DMJC | stupid multiarch |
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| 06:38.21 | ImaLamer | epitamizor: you don't on dynamic dns, they do, that's the service |
| 06:38.53 | ImaLamer | http://freedns.afraid.org/signup/ looks free w/o ads to me |
| 06:39.28 | moof2 | how do they do the ads when there are some? |
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| 06:40.02 | ImaLamer | moof2: ? |
| 06:40.10 | ImaLamer | or http://www.dnsdynamic.org/ looks free |
| 06:40.26 | moof2 | do they email you ads? |
| 06:40.31 | moof2 | or what? |
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| 06:40.56 | ImaLamer | if there are ads on their site, it doesnt' matter |
| 06:41.20 | ImaLamer | moof2: i don't think they do any advertising |
| 06:41.35 | Jeeves_Moss | I'm trying to DD my windows VM to a physical box. I've done a DD of the whole drive, and put it on the physical hardware, but it won't boot. what am I missing? |
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| 06:42.36 | ImaLamer | bootloader? is the VM disk even valid to directly write to a partition? |
| 06:42.40 | corewillem | hi guy's i cant mount a ntfs partition ''rror mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with: |
| 06:42.40 | corewillem | Mount is denied because setuid and setgid root ntfs-3g is insecure with the |
| 06:42.40 | corewillem | external FUSE library. Either remove the setuid/setgid bit from the binary |
| 06:42.40 | corewillem | or rebuild NTFS-3G with integrated FUSE support and make it setuid root. |
| 06:42.40 | corewillem | Please see more information at |
| 06:42.40 | corewillem | http://tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-faq/#unprivileged |
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| 06:43.14 | Jeeves_Moss | ImaLamer, I'm trying to just move it to physical, and it has to be bootable. I'm loading a liveCD to see |
| 06:43.19 | ImaLamer | dekiss: or even http://www.dnsexit.com/Direct.sv?cmd=dynDns |
| 06:43.36 | ImaLamer | dekiss: all of those *look* free to me |
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| 07:05.51 | johndoe_ | Jeeves_Moss: the DD copy is probably fine. google how to repair windows bootloader. |
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| 07:19.03 | jalalsfs | Can I connect with computer via Internet by ssh? |
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| 07:28.24 | elkingrey | Does anybody know how to test the speed of their internet connection without having to go to a website that requires flash? |
| 07:29.28 | epitamizor | speakeasy.net/speedtest |
| 07:29.44 | elkingrey | checking out now. Thanks! |
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| 07:35.24 | johndoe__ | "The Speakeasy Speed Test requires Flash v7 or higher. Please update your browser." |
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| 07:40.46 | epitamizor | http://www.bandwidthplace.com/ |
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| 07:58.43 | rodolfox | anyone please help with a problem? |
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| 07:59.44 | lgp171188 | Hi, I have a iSCSI storage from which I have presented luns to my debian wheezy box. How to find out the lun number of each block device that shows up? |
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| 08:00.06 | babilen | rodolfox: Just ask |
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| 08:01.08 | rodolfox | i got a distro from a live dvd...(Linux Format DVD) and the the distro is called Kali. After booting up the kali distro on a live dvd...i don't get option to install it on the hard disk. i just get live distro thats it...I would like to know if there is a way to install the kali distro on the harddisk with this live dvd fromt linux distro magazine? |
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| 08:03.14 | histo | rodolfox: /join #kali-linux |
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| 08:04.00 | babilen | dpkg: kali |
| 08:04.00 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
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| 08:04.37 | Walex | lgp171188: 'lsscsi' for example. |
| 08:06.03 | rodolfox | will do..I was desperate to intall kali...tha's why...such a kool distro... |
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| 08:07.24 | zyrox | rodolfox: The documentation says there should be a install option at the boot screen |
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| 08:11.42 | rodolfox | oh cool. i love irc #debian people |
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| 08:14.35 | RigidWig | Hello gents. Anyone know of a way to use iftops, or a similar tool which displays the files being served from a server? |
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| 08:15.13 | RNZ | hi all |
| 08:18.10 | RNZ | please, anybody say what now right method to restart network in debian 7? |
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| 08:19.55 | RNZ | I think ifup/ifdown under nohup is bad method when exist script for control start/stop |
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| 08:21.09 | Walex | RigidWig: what does that mean? Please explain it in some other way. |
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| 08:21.33 | Walex | RNZ: what are you trying to do? |
| 08:21.36 | RigidWig | Walex, to be able to see the names of the files being served (transmitted from) the server that is running iftop... |
| 08:21.59 | Walex | RigidWig: using which protocol and which daemon? Files can be served in a dozen different ways. |
| 08:22.37 | RigidWig | Walex I was thinking TCP/FTP/SMB/Samba |
| 08:22.43 | Walex | RigidWig: for example FTP, HTTP, NFS, Samba, Lustre, AFS, FISH, ... |
| 08:22.59 | RNZ | Walex: I try [/etc/init.d/networing | service networking] restart - result, inetfaces down, and don't up... |
| 08:23.16 | Walex | RigidWig: then check whether the FTP and Samba servers can print a log of files that have been opened. |
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| 08:23.51 | Walex | RNZ: that's a bit strange. Are those 'ethN@ interfaces? |
| 08:24.02 | Walex | RNZ: that's a bit strange. Are those 'ethN' interfaces? |
| 08:24.29 | Walex | RigidWig: alternatively you can run 'strace -etrace=open' on the FTP and Samba daemons. |
| 08:24.57 | RigidWig | Walex, luckily it's a pretty simple network, mostly windows boxes connected to a debian server, which acts mostly as file/media storage, so I think most transmissions will be going across SMB and/or FTP |
| 08:25.11 | RigidWig | can iftop or some other network monitoring tool do that natively? |
| 08:25.15 | RNZ | Walex: yes are those |
| 08:25.31 | babilen | RNZ: Could you paste your /etc/network/interfaces file to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 08:27.55 | Walex | RigidWig: you could use 'wireshark' but it is very verbose. |
| 08:28.10 | RigidWig | Walex, guess I'll look into that, thanks |
| 08:28.28 | RNZ | babilen: /etc/network/interfaces has simple configuration: http://paste.debian.net/9306/ |
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| 08:29.01 | Walex | RigidWig: more precisely 'tshark' probably with a bit of filtering. |
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| 08:29.40 | RNZ | more information at http://codeghar.wordpress.com/2011/07/18/debian-running-etcinit-dnetworking-restart-is-deprecated-because-it-may-not-enable-again-some-interfaces/ |
| 08:29.43 | kikokos | hi |
| 08:29.48 | RNZ | hi |
| 08:29.49 | funkygibbon | what's the name of a tail app that reconnects if the file is truncated / reset, like apache logs... |
| 08:30.04 | babilen | RNZ: You want "auto" and not "allow-hotplug" if you want those interfaces to be enabled automatically when the networking is started. |
| 08:30.10 | babilen | dpkg: tell RNZ about interfaces |
| 08:30.22 | kikokos | could someone tell me why whenever when I turn on lxterm, xterm whatever kind of terminal my keyboard layout goes from pl to eng ? |
| 08:31.44 | zyrox | kikokos: Have you run dpkg-reconfigure console-data? |
| 08:32.12 | kikokos | zyrox, console-data no, moment |
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| 08:33.10 | kikokos | zyrox, hmm I have to install it first, good clue |
| 08:34.10 | zyrox | kikokos: Yea I think its worth a try |
| 08:34.18 | kikokos | :) |
| 08:34.23 | anddam | do I need an MDA at all if I only want to use an IMAP server as repository? |
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| 08:34.27 | kikokos | let's see reboot |
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| 08:34.54 | babilen | dpkg: tell anddam about why a mta |
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| 08:35.31 | anddam | babilen: that I already now, I meant if dovecot has some specific requirements |
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| 08:35.54 | anddam | I'm thinking about setting up dovecot on a local server and archive old email there |
| 08:35.55 | Walex | RNZ: it does not help if you hide relevant information at first |
| 08:35.55 | babilen | Ah, MDA -- Sorry :) |
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| 08:36.30 | anddam | well the factoid seems to be actually speaking about MDA anyway |
| 08:37.14 | babilen | anddam: No, not necessarily. See http://wiki.dovecot.org/LDA for some choices ... I chain procmail with dovecot's "deliver" though as I use procmail for filtering/sorting. |
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| 08:38.51 | kikokos | zyrox, unfortunately |
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| 08:39.30 | kikokos | I guess if I knew what how to switch back to old layout when it happen it would be easier |
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| 08:40.09 | kikokos | ah and the thing is layout is changing, but in a way that when I click alt then led from scroll lock is blinking |
| 08:40.26 | Walex | RNZ: the best explanation of the issue is in the linked page at number 11: http://serverfault.com/questions/269921/what-is-the-preferred-method-to-restart-networking-in-ubuntu-and-debian |
| 08:40.40 | zyrox | kikokos: Thats strange. It always worked for me |
| 08:40.41 | RNZ | babilen: thx, I did think option "allow-hotplug" enough |
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| 08:40.45 | Walex | RNZ: and the explanation is that there is no issue unless one does something stupid |
| 08:40.57 | kikokos | zyrox, did you have the same with alt? |
| 08:41.08 | zyrox | kikokos: No |
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| 08:42.39 | babilen | RNZ, Walex: It is "deprecated" in the sense that "restart" does not active all interfaces that were active before but only those that are configured with "auto" -- It essentially runs "ifdown -a" and then "ifup -a" -- "restart" implies that the services being offered before that action are the same as afterwards. The wording is IMHO very suboptimal. |
| 08:42.40 | RNZ | Walex: ok, my mind lied too me. ))) |
| 08:42.50 | kikokos | zyrox, hmm maybe is not changing the layout then, the thing is that pl layout is different from eng. one only because when you click alt you have pl letters |
| 08:43.45 | kikokos | so maybe it's just changing mapping of alt key, is there any command to check what layout has the keyboard? |
| 08:44.19 | kikokos | I presumed it changed layout because I can't use pl characters but maybe not |
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| 08:45.25 | michael_work | well, hello |
| 08:45.30 | RNZ | babilen: ok, thx to explanation ) |
| 08:45.48 | Walex | babilen: that's because it is a bad idea to pretend that device state is a daemon that can be restarted :-) |
| 08:45.54 | michael_work | i have added some init script that i didn |
| 08:45.59 | michael_work | t check |
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| 08:46.06 | michael_work | and it was my mistake |
| 08:46.23 | Walex | babilen: but there is an even bigger issue with 'networking restart' and happens when it is run remotely. |
| 08:46.29 | michael_work | now when i conenct to the system i have loop of errors on starting it |
| 08:46.36 | michael_work | is there way to kill process on boot? |
| 08:47.01 | michael_work | i can't open extra tty as i'm connected to it thru serial port |
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| 08:47.28 | Walex | babilen: conceivably it can bring down the interface for the session on which it is run, and then this may kill the 'ifup' with SIGUP, and then it does not complete. That's why there are various suggestions to run stop/start under 'nohup' or 'screen'. |
| 08:49.34 | Walex | michael_work: have you considered single user mode or 'init=/bin/bash' for example? |
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| 08:49.57 | babilen | Walex: yeah, absolutely -- It could still be phrased better. "deprecated" implies that this was once the right way to do it, but that there is now a better way. If that were the case one should simply mention the "better" way ... as this is not the case the message is just misleading |
| 08:50.16 | histo | michael_work: remove the init script you added |
| 08:50.17 | michael_work | Walex, little more info (n00b here) |
| 08:50.27 | michael_work | histo, if i could boot i would remove |
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| 08:50.36 | michael_work | it's dreamplug - so no monitor |
| 08:50.45 | michael_work | no ssh yet as well |
| 08:50.48 | histo | michael_work: can you boot in single user? if not you will have to boot to a live usb etc.. |
| 08:50.56 | Walex | babilen: I think that the new event driven tech and this issue that stop+start do not reproduce the state of all devices as they were are somewhat different, but yes the wording is rahter confusing. |
| 08:51.39 | Walex | michael_work: is the DreamPlug physically accessible to you? |
| 08:51.41 | michael_work | histo i don't think i have ( not sure what is the boot loader even, probably uboot or something else popular for embedded |
| 08:51.47 | michael_work | Walex, yes |
| 08:51.53 | lgp171188 | Walex: I installed the lsscsi package but couldn't find out the lun number from the output. Any clues? |
| 08:52.07 | michael_work | Walex, i'm trying to connect thru jtag but all i see is the loop of the error of this init |
| 08:52.21 | Walex | lgp171188: even with 'lsscsi -v'? |
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| 08:52.54 | anddam | I'm trying to tunnell ssh access, from a host behind firewall I'm doing ssh -R 0.0.0.0:3000:localhost:22 mypublichost but on mypublichost I see the binding is 127.0.0.1:3001 rather than 0.0.0.0 . Is this a sshd setting on mypublichost or what? |
| 08:53.15 | Walex | michael_work: can't you boot from an external medium as someone was suggesting? |
| 08:53.42 | Walex | michael_work: also, 'init' scripts are not executed in 'init=/bin/bash' mode. |
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| 08:53.46 | michael_work | Walex, not sure if it's possible out of box or i need to make changes for wich i need access |
| 08:53.58 | Walex | michael_work: but do you get a kernel boot prompt line? |
| 08:54.02 | jelly-home | anddam: read about GatewayPorts in sshd_config manual |
| 08:54.29 | anddam | jelly-home: thanks |
| 08:54.33 | Walex | anddam: you seem to have a big misunderstanding about what '0.0.0.0' means |
| 08:55.20 | anddam | "clientspecified" it is |
| 08:55.34 | anddam | Walex: I don't think so but how comes you think that? |
| 08:55.44 | Walex | anddam: important information related to that: '0.0.0.0' is not an IP address |
| 08:56.07 | jelly-home | anddam: it might make more sense to specify a specific public ip rather than try to bind to all interfaces |
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| 08:57.09 | anddam | jelly-home: since I don't remember the public IP and mypublichost has only two interfaces, one on the internet and the other on local network, it make sense |
| 08:57.16 | anddam | makes sense to me* |
| 08:57.23 | anddam | s/IP/IP address/ |
| 08:57.37 | anddam | I used it as shorthand |
| 08:57.37 | Walex | jelly-home: note that '0.0.0.0' does not bind to all interfaces, that is "8" |
| 08:57.40 | Walex | jelly-home: note that '0.0.0.0' does not bind to all interfaces, that is "*" |
| 08:58.29 | jelly-home | Walex: oh, I never checked |
| 08:58.55 | anddam | me neither, but let's check |
| 08:59.15 | anddam | also AFAIR 0.0.0.0 is an IP address, isn't it? |
| 08:59.34 | Walex | anddam: no. |
| 09:00.00 | anddam | Walex: reference? |
| 09:00.35 | Walex | anddam: trivial beginner facts like 2+2=22 don't have to be explained in detail :-) |
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| 09:02.23 | kikokos | zyrox, , I run xmodmap and it's not showing alt_r at all it's like the key is dissapearing virtually form the map |
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| 09:02.36 | anddam | it's not trivial, every 32 bit number is an adequate IPv4 address |
| 09:02.58 | Walex | anddam: some IPv4 addresses are illegal. and can never be used. |
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| 09:04.15 | kikokos | zyrox, ah doesn't matter i have to go to work, at least afeter remapping scroll lock is not blinking :) |
| 09:04.21 | kikokos | thx |
| 09:04.29 | zyrox | np |
| 09:04.45 | zyrox | kikokos: Not sure what the problem can be |
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| 09:05.34 | Walex | anddam: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1122#section-3.2.1.3 |
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| 09:14.50 | anddam | Walex: "IP addresses are not permitted to have the value 0 or -1 for |
| 09:14.52 | anddam | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.58 | anddam | sorry for the line break |
| 09:15.32 | voxadam | Garh! Why do I have to install x11-common, libx11-xcb, and so many other "unnecessary" packages just to install espeak? |
| 09:15.33 | anddam | but I remember that the class concept is long gone, is that the case? Isn't there a newer RFC reference for IPv4? |
| 09:16.01 | anddam | and btw I couldn't even find that one using Google, what keyword did you use? |
| 09:16.53 | xingu | anddam: rfc1519, obsoleted by rfc4632 |
| 09:17.22 | anddam | on top of that, 0.0.0.0 is just working as wildcard |
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| 09:17.56 | anddam | what's the right way to keep an ssh tunnel alive, a spawner or so? |
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| 09:18.01 | anddam | xingu: thanks |
| 09:19.08 | mumpitzel | adam8157: a script with a while loop |
| 09:19.43 | anddam | I see that one is for me |
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| 09:20.40 | Gargantua | Hey, any tips on how to get an external usb audio interface to work? |
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| 09:21.49 | mumpitzel | Gargantua: check the USB ID |
| 09:21.58 | anddam | mumpitzel: also autossh, just found |
| 09:23.01 | anddam | also what's the proper way to start a command at debian's boot, crond/rclocal/proper init script? |
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| 09:24.35 | Gargantua | mumpitzel: ok. it's device id 07, bus 02 |
| 09:24.43 | Gargantua | now what? |
| 09:25.05 | mumpitzel | no. USB ID |
| 09:25.16 | Gargantua | What's that? |
| 09:25.33 | mumpitzel | the stuff lsusb tells you. it clearly lebels it "ID" |
| 09:25.48 | Gargantua | oh, 1130:f211 |
| 09:26.24 | mumpitzel | now you google that and you will most probably find otehrs with that hardware. either they solved the problem or they didn't |
| 09:26.35 | Gargantua | Oh. |
| 09:26.49 | Gargantua | Is it supposed to be working as soon as I plug it in? I mean |
| 09:27.06 | Gargantua | Maybe I didn't phrase my question well enough, err. |
| 09:27.42 | Gargantua | Aren't I supposed to tell pulseaudio to use it? or |
| 09:29.04 | Gargantua | alsamixer seems to list it fine and stuff. I just need to tell pulseaudio to use it for playback. |
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| 09:37.06 | histo | !de |
| 09:37.07 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 09:38.04 | EmleyMoor | hands Dart1976 a / |
| 09:38.11 | Dart1976 | thanks |
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| 09:38.37 | bluesm | Is there a way to stop charging on USB ? |
| 09:39.15 | EmleyMoor | Some of us wish there was a way to make it work |
| 09:39.22 | jiohdi | cut up the credit card? |
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| 09:41.50 | zulu | ciao |
| 09:41.56 | zulu | !list |
| 09:41.57 | bluesm | EmleyMoor: What do you mean ? |
| 09:41.57 | dpkg | zulu: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 09:47.22 | EmleyMoor | bluesm: I mean one of my phones can charge from USB but won't on my Debian box |
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| 09:48.32 | bluesm | EmleyMoor: So you have the same problem ? |
| 09:49.38 | bluesm | EmleyMoor: I mean in this moment i test out my android app, and I'm in Park, and I want to stop charge my android phone to be able be in park longer :P |
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| 09:51.54 | mumpitzel | anddam: init scripts always run as root. and the config for sshd is in /etc/ssh/ |
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| 09:52.43 | anddam | mumpitzel: the latter I knew, I was wondering what public rsa key should I use |
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| 09:53.36 | anddam | the point is establishing a tunnel at system's boot, so I copied skeleton to ssh-tunnel but for the script to work I need to have a rsa key access, not keyboard input |
| 09:53.47 | Walex | anddam: the one of the user you are loggin in to... |
| 09:55.13 | EmleyMoor | bluesm: No, I have the exact opposite problem |
| 09:55.28 | Walex | anddam: also consider looking at the "AUTHORIZED_KEYS FILE FORMAT" section of 'man 8 sshd' |
| 09:56.04 | anddam | Walex: no, actually it should be the public key of the user I'm logging from, not in to |
| 09:56.26 | bluesm | EmleyMoor: But isn't it more hardware problem ? In your case? |
| 09:56.46 | anddam | the debian system establishing the tunnel is the client and since the script is being run as root I'll have to copy on the server host the public key of root use of client |
| 09:56.49 | anddam | isn't that right? |
| 09:56.52 | Walex | anddam: ah yes, sorry got confused |
| 09:57.02 | anddam | ok |
| 09:57.12 | Walex | anddam: but still read the section of the man page. |
| 09:57.19 | EmleyMoor | bluesm: I can't tell where it is. It charges from my laptop dock at work but won't charge from any of my Debian machines at home. |
| 09:57.26 | anddam | I mean I have to be pedantic in explaining things since I'm actually figuring it myself |
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| 09:57.31 | anddam | I will |
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| 10:02.55 | alfatau | hello all. I installed latest wheezy, actually without any windowing system. I'd like to install an xmonad window manager. is there a tested installation task for such environment? thank you in advance |
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| 10:03.54 | Mothership | hello there |
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| 10:06.04 | anddam | wow the serivce started, I can see the binding on the public host, but the "service ssh-tunnel start" command got stuck at cli |
| 10:06.31 | anddam | should I add "&" to init script to forcefully put $DAEMON in background? |
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| 10:07.08 | anddam | I thougt start-stop-daemon did that on its own |
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| 10:15.03 | Iridos | judd, kernels |
| 10:15.04 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.10-rc4-686-pae (3.10~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 3.9-1-686-pae (3.9.4-1); jessie: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3) |
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| 10:28.13 | RNZ | omg ... debian wheezy... /opt/chef-server/embedded/bin/ruby: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by /opt/chef-server/embedded/lib/libruby.so.1.9) |
| 10:28.21 | RNZ | 8((( |
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| 10:30.06 | Iridos | /opt is not installed by debian, so no big wonder |
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| 10:31.53 | RNZ | facepalm... |
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| 10:32.11 | babilen | RNZ: That doesn't look like Debian software at all |
| 10:32.31 | babilen | RNZ: Did you install chef from Debian? |
| 10:32.37 | babilen | judd: i chef |
| 10:32.39 | judd | Package chef (ruby, extra) in wheezy/i386: A systems integration framework, built to bring the benefits of configuration management to your entire infrastructure.. Version: 10.12.0-3; Size: 386.1k; Installed: 1925k; Homepage: http://wiki.opscode.com/display/chef |
| 10:32.46 | jelly-home | it's obviously not from Debian, being in /opt |
| 10:33.00 | jelly-home | however Debian is still an OS |
| 10:33.08 | Iridos | I mean... all parts that belong to debian are upgraded when you go from squeeze to wheezy... all other bits are obviously your job to upgrade |
| 10:33.31 | RNZ | I want use chef 11.x |
| 10:33.41 | babilen | judd: v chef |
| 10:33.42 | judd | Package: chef on i386 -- jessie: 10.12.0-3; sid: 10.12.0-3; wheezy: 10.12.0-3 |
| 10:33.46 | jelly-home | RNZ: the bigger issue is the build you installed doesn't seem to target debian 7 at all |
| 10:34.21 | jelly-home | RNZ: which vendor did you download it from and did they explicitely say that build works on wheezy? |
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| 10:34.39 | Mothership | has anyone had experience with 3g usb donge on debian? |
| 10:35.14 | babilen | RNZ: chef 11 has not yet been packaged yet and you therefore cannot install it from our repositories. You need to get hold of a build (or build it yourself) that is meant to be used with Debian 7 as the one you are using is linked against a libc6 version that is not in wheezy. I guess that you used packages meant for Ubuntu. |
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| 10:36.39 | RNZ | jelly-home: no it's trouble not debian or chef - it's my trouble - i want use lastest software, but on all vps use debian or centos, or old ubuntu... |
| 10:36.57 | RNZ | *all vps providers use |
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| 10:37.47 | babilen | RNZ: Are you sure that you require chef 11? It might not be that hard to build it yourself in that case, but it would definitely be easier to use the 10 track as that is packaged in Debian (and Ubuntu and probably a few other distributions as well) |
| 10:38.48 | babilen | I mean 11 is really quite new and AFAICT a different beast than 10 altogether. |
| 10:38.53 | RNZ | babilen: yes, I'm sure - previous chef use couchdb (slow, overhead and no optimal use drive space) |
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| 10:39.42 | RNZ | currently chef use postgresql - and I'd like this. |
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| 10:41.35 | babilen | RNZ: Okay, you have to build it yourself, track down a build that is meant to be used on Debian or track testing/unstable. The last option is nothing I would recommend for a production system, but might be what you want if your main goal is "latest software possible" above everything else. |
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| 10:46.33 | RNZ | babilen: )) I know. I will build lastest version, but :facepalm: present... ))) |
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| 10:47.26 | babilen | RNZ: I don't understand your ":facepalm" nor your assumption that software compiled a libc6 version that is not in wheezy would work on wheezy. |
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| 10:50.35 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 10:57.44 | RNZ | babilen: chef 11.x released at february, it very useful software currently in the it-world. But in debian still not present lastest package. So I know more then one debian&chef adepts who build lastest chef-debian.deb's, praise and campaigning chef & debian, but they not return them work to community, and I have facepalm for them... |
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| 10:59.29 | RNZ | babilen: my prefered distro of last 8 years - gentoo. ) |
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| 11:10.07 | jelly-home | ,v wine-unstable |
| 11:10.08 | judd | Package: wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.5.12-1 |
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| 11:15.48 | jabberthehut | hi, i installed debian for my sister (chose german as language) but libre office is still in english - there are instructions how to change the interface language http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/linux/#Installing_a_Language_Pack btu i wonder if that can be done with debian board tool (apt-get?) too |
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| 11:16.12 | jabberthehut | i don't have access to the computer or my sister right now, that's why i ask here |
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| 11:17.07 | babilen | judd: i libreoffice-l10n-de |
| 11:17.08 | judd | Package libreoffice-l10n-de (localization, optional) in wheezy/i386: office productivity suite -- German language package. Version: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-4; Size: 1317.8k; Installed: 3863k; Homepage: http://www.libreoffice.org |
| 11:17.17 | babilen | jabberthehut: You are looking for ^^^^ |
| 11:17.55 | voxadam | I just installed tmux on jessie. When I start tmux my zsh prompt which is constructed using line characters (like: ├── ) get turrned into ââââ characters (this also happens with ncurses interfaces). I know this has something to do with my TERM settings but I'm not clear on how to fix it. If it matters I'm sshing into my box using PuTTY (I hate Windows but I'm stuck on it). |
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| 11:20.20 | babilen | voxadam: jessie and sid are supported in #debian-next on irc.debian.org / irc.oftc.net -- I would be surprised if this is *not* putty's fault though. Can you reproduce it using "standard" ssh from a *nix box? I'd investigate different encoding settings with putty too. |
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| 11:20.48 | babilen | voxadam: fwiw, I can see those characters without problems in my local tmux session |
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| 11:21.47 | voxadam | babilen: Thanks. I think I might have figured it out. |
| 11:21.53 | jabberthehut | babilen: thx :) - i was sure ther must be a simpler way than suggested at libreoffice homepag |
| 11:22.17 | voxadam | babilen: I changed PuTTY's "translation" to UTF-8 and it draws the ASCII correctly now. |
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| 11:22.43 | babilen | voxadam: yeah, it was bound to be something like that :) |
| 11:23.26 | voxadam | babilen: Oddly enough though when not runing tmux it displys the ascii incorrectly in exactly the same way as it did before. Dammed if I do, dammed if I don't. :) |
| 11:23.36 | Somelauw | I want to make sure I'm using openjdk7. First I did sudo apt-get --config java and select openjdk7. Then to check it it worked I did update-alternatives --display java and then I got to see https://pastee.org/r3dvg . From this output, I can't make out what version it is using. What do they mean by 'best' version? It should just use openjdk 7. |
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| 11:24.57 | mumpitzel | Somelauw: do you have more than one java installed? |
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| 11:29.23 | reran | hi how can i update sources.list ? i just installed debian from dvd |
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| 11:29.42 | mumpitzel | edit it with an editor, like nano |
| 11:29.48 | mumpitzel | !tell reran about sources.list |
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| 11:31.22 | babilen | Somelauw: Just run "java -version" to check what "java" is configured it. (it is openjdk-7) |
| 11:31.40 | babilen | s/it/as/ |
| 11:32.19 | Somelauw | mumpitzel: yes, 6 and 7 |
| 11:32.42 | Somelauw | babilen: 1.7.0_03 |
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| 11:34.40 | moof2 | does openjdk compile code that works well w android? |
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| 11:35.57 | mumpitzel | android uses the language not the bytecode afaik |
| 11:36.00 | Somelauw | mumpitzel, babilen: ok, and when running rmiregistry, does rmiregistry also use the same version as java -version? |
| 11:36.08 | mumpitzel | and the jdk lacks the android sdk stuff too |
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| 11:36.32 | moof2 | right, of course you would have to install that too |
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| 11:37.01 | Somelauw | because I'm getting a java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError when running and according to stackoverflow and the guys in #java, it has to do with a version conflict |
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| 11:37.22 | anddam | mumpitzel: confirmed, dalvik is very java-like but doesn't use the very same bytecode |
| 11:37.41 | anddam | mumpitzel: in fact there are utilities to convert in DX |
| 11:38.23 | anddam | mumpitzel: IIRC it's a space-optimized ISA derived from jvm with some less common features dropped |
| 11:38.34 | a7x | hi i'm having a really hard time installing debian, i downloaded the debian-live-7.0.0-amd64-gnome-desktop+nonfree.iso version, but i can't install GRUB on the device due to some error |
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| 11:40.20 | mumpitzel | all I remember is: dalvik is register based, javavm is stack based. why they do it, I dunno |
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| 11:41.59 | moof2 | can you tell javac to do reg code? |
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| 11:43.32 | a7x | jabberthehut, grub-pc failed to install into /target/ |
| 11:44.00 | mumpitzel | !reinstall grub |
| 11:44.00 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html . Boot a CD like <grml>, mount your disk read/write, (mount boot partition into your / partition if applicable,) mount -o bind /dev/ /your/root/dev; chroot /your/root; mount -t proc none /proc; grub-install /dev/foo (you may need to edit /etc/mtab and/or /boot/grub/device.map). Also ask me about <fixmbr> <rescue mode>. |
| 11:44.01 | a7x | and i'm pretty sure it's an old wheezy bug they didn't fix in the final release. |
| 11:44.06 | mumpitzel | follow this and show us the grub-install error |
| 11:44.34 | a7x | oh then i need to connect from a different laptop. |
| 11:44.43 | mumpitzel | why? |
| 11:44.50 | mumpitzel | you open a terminal and do it |
| 11:44.51 | a7x | this is the laptop i'm having issues with |
| 11:45.13 | mumpitzel | your debian is already mounted at /target |
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| 11:45.53 | a7x | mumpitzel, i'm not connected from the live, i rebooted. |
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| 11:46.11 | mumpitzel | so in what OS are you right now? |
| 11:46.14 | a7x | win8 |
| 11:46.19 | mumpitzel | ah |
| 11:46.22 | a7x | and the last problem is i can't connect from the live |
| 11:46.32 | mumpitzel | the problem is most likely (U)EFI |
| 11:46.34 | mumpitzel | !uefi |
| 11:46.34 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/ |
| 11:46.40 | a7x | (let's not talk about the fail while installing in a language different from English) |
| 11:46.48 | a7x | mumpitzel, no i'm running a BIOS |
| 11:46.57 | a7x | old and good bios :P |
| 11:47.17 | blast_hardcheese | "good" bios |
| 11:47.23 | laddu | o/ everyone! I want to upgrade my kernel to 3.2 to a better kernel., My wifi keeps dropping. I think it could be due to kernel. I have AR928X wifi. I have no idea what to do. |
| 11:47.46 | mumpitzel | ,kernels |
| 11:47.47 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.10-rc4-686-pae (3.10~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 3.9-1-686-pae (3.9.4-1); jessie: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3) |
| 11:47.50 | a7x | blast_hardcheese, yep, since a lot of distro have issues with EFI, also some SSD's etc. |
| 11:48.25 | laddu | mumpitzel: thanks, but if I want a newer kernel is that impossible? |
| 11:48.30 | mumpitzel | laddu: go to packages.debian.org and download the 3.9 kernel and initramfs-tools from sid there. install both with dpkg -i that will give you a new kernel if you currently run debian 7.0 with kernel 3.2.0 |
| 11:48.43 | blast_hardcheese | mumpitzel: Why is testing not listed there, is it the same as Jessie? |
| 11:48.43 | mumpitzel | you want a newer kernel than 3.9 from sid? |
| 11:48.51 | mumpitzel | blast_hardcheese: yes. |
| 11:48.53 | a7x | anyway mumpitzel i did try a quick fix, like the one showed in by dpkg, but there was no grub-install binary. |
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| 11:49.14 | blast_hardcheese | mumpitzel: gotcha, thanks |
| 11:49.15 | laddu | mumpitzel: no, I simply want my wifi to work. I'm assuming a new kernel will make things better. I am quite the novice here |
| 11:49.19 | mumpitzel | a7x: did you chroot? |
| 11:49.23 | a7x | sure |
| 11:49.27 | mumpitzel | laddu: I can't say |
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| 11:49.34 | a7x | it's not the first time i fix this kind of bug |
| 11:49.36 | mumpitzel | a7x: in the chroot: dpkg -l |grep grub |
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| 11:49.48 | mumpitzel | otherwise: install grub |
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| 11:50.12 | laddu | mumpitzel: fair enough. would using a new kernel make things unstable? |
| 11:50.13 | a7x | mumpitzel, to install bug i need a connection, to connect i need to find a way to fix the network etc.etc. i think i'll install jesse. |
| 11:50.20 | a7x | jessie* |
| 11:50.27 | mumpitzel | a7x: I wouldn't do that |
| 11:50.29 | a7x | grub* |
| 11:50.41 | a7x | mumpitzel, i'm used to run the testing one actually |
| 11:50.44 | mumpitzel | laddu: there are no guarantees, but usually not |
| 11:50.57 | mumpitzel | a7x: that is beside the point. right now installing jessie is a bad idea |
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| 11:51.16 | a7x | fine, then i guess i'll not install it |
| 11:51.16 | mumpitzel | laddu: you will keep your old kernel. you can uninstall the 3.9 easily if you don't like it |
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| 11:51.31 | laddu | mumpitzel: right thanks, so in sid, the linux kernel isn't unstable, it's the packages for it that are unstable right? |
| 11:51.32 | mumpitzel | a7x: grub2 won't change anyways when you go jessie. |
| 11:51.41 | mumpitzel | laddu: it is unstable. all of sid is :) |
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| 11:52.18 | mumpitzel | laddu: but you don't install a lot from sid, only two packages which don't interact too much with other packages, so it's limited |
| 11:52.24 | laddu | mumpitzel: right, so before I take the plunge, is there anything else you can recommened for my to solve my recently unstable wifi? |
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| 11:52.55 | blast_hardcheese | laddu: Have you been sitting on dmesg output, writing down what you see when wireless drops out? |
| 11:53.11 | blast_hardcheese | Have you checked forums to see if people with your same wifi chipset have been having issues? |
| 11:53.21 | mumpitzel | ,pciid 168c:002a |
| 11:53.22 | judd | [168c:002a] is 'AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with kernel module 'ath9k' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002a http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 11:54.00 | laddu | For the forums bit, yes. But the dmesg output no. It's form the forums that I see people saying a new kernel is better; but they seem to be from the Arch linux. I'm on debian |
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| 11:54.23 | mumpitzel | laddu: I would try it with the new kernel |
| 11:54.28 | moof2 | isn';t that supposed to be a good chipset? |
| 11:54.41 | mumpitzel | it is. but ath9k is fairly new |
| 11:55.04 | mumpitzel | atheros are right behind intel ones and the intels need firmware |
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| 11:55.27 | laddu | so maybe 3.9 could do the job. If I manage to install it, will it simply pop up in grub, and I can remove it by synaptic? |
| 11:55.38 | mumpitzel | yes for both questions |
| 11:56.05 | mumpitzel | download the .deb files from packages.debian.org and install them with dpkg -i. do not use apt-get or synaptic |
| 11:56.15 | mumpitzel | uninstalling will work with synaptic and apt |
| 11:56.32 | otend | laddu: 3.9 or any version above, say, 3.4 will do |
| 11:56.38 | otend | (I have the same problem) |
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| 11:57.02 | laddu | otend: right. so I instal linux-image via dpkg and is that it? |
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| 11:57.12 | mumpitzel | initramfs-tools too |
| 11:57.30 | moof2 | and the atheros ones do not, right? I mean, I dunno anything about when the 9k cards came out, but I've heard of 9k several years ago while I was looking into how I'd get a card that definitely had an atheros in it... at that time, I had heard of 5k and 9k |
| 11:57.35 | otend | I believe that is the case |
| 11:58.10 | mumpitzel | moof2: only a single usb atheros chipset needs firmware yes. all others work out of the box, ath5k and ath9k |
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| 11:58.32 | mumpitzel | ath9k-htc needs firmware |
| 11:58.43 | moof2 | also, isn't atheros very linux friendly? |
| 11:58.45 | laddu | mumpitzel: why do you not recommend installing via synaptic? I though it would be easy to do so for removal reason? |
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| 11:59.16 | mumpitzel | cause you'd need to edit your sources.list to do that. and then there is a much bigger chance you will switch over to sid completely which you shouldn't do |
| 11:59.39 | mumpitzel | laddu: and I told you you can remove it with synaptic. you just can't install it with synaptic. or shouldn't |
| 11:59.51 | mumpitzel | laddu: when installed, the package will show up in synaptic |
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| 12:00.54 | laddu | right. Thanks. Will I need sids initramfs-tools or wheezys initramfs-tools? |
| 12:02.06 | otend | moof2: they are now. I believe just about every version post-3.2 (I said 3.4 earlier as an arbitrary number due to lack of precise knowledge) should have working ath9k support out of the box. |
| 12:02.53 | moof2 | do they go so far as to write linux drivers maybe? |
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| 12:04.31 | laddu | is there a guide on upgrading the kernel using dpkg -i. I've downloaded the deb. |
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| 12:04.49 | moof2 | there's kernel-package |
| 12:05.21 | laddu | moof2: will I need to install header of the kernel? |
| 12:05.34 | mumpitzel | moof2: that's for compiling it, not installing |
| 12:05.38 | Iridos | lastlog handbrake |
| 12:05.40 | Iridos | ops |
| 12:05.44 | mumpitzel | laddu: you should, yes. e.g. for nvidia drivers and such |
| 12:05.44 | histo | laddu: you don't need the headers unless you plan on compiling against it |
| 12:06.00 | moof2 | oh, I didn't consider he might want an existing kernel |
| 12:06.39 | moof2 | if you end up building a kernel... you can have the image and the headers packaged |
| 12:07.18 | moof2 | then you would (as you asked about) install them with dpkg -i |
| 12:08.04 | laddu | I'm really confused! I've got the linux-image 3.9.1 deb x64 . I now need to you dpkg -i and that it right? |
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| 12:08.40 | moof2 | 3.9? |
| 12:09.31 | laddu | should I try 3.4 maybe? |
| 12:09.35 | mumpitzel | laddu: you also need the initramfs-tools deb |
| 12:09.39 | moof2 | and yes, you would install that .deb (or any .deb, becareful tho) with dpkg -i |
| 12:09.55 | mumpitzel | laddu: if you don't have initramfs-tools too, dpkg will throw an error |
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| 12:10.16 | laddu | mumpitzel: does it matter whether it's wheezy or sid that package? |
| 12:10.29 | moof2 | well... |
| 12:10.43 | mumpitzel | yes it does matter. must be sid |
| 12:10.54 | mumpitzel | otherwise it's the wrong version |
| 12:10.59 | moof2 | if you install a sid kernel, it could depend on other sid packaged meant to support that kernel in some way |
| 12:11.03 | mumpitzel | dpkg -i <kernel> <initramfs> |
| 12:11.04 | dpkg | installs <kernel> <initramfs> into mumpitzel's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 12:11.39 | laddu | right. and I use nvidia driver. Will I need headers too? |
| 12:11.43 | moof2 | wow... that image must be attractive... |
| 12:11.46 | mumpitzel | yes |
| 12:11.56 | laddu | right. |
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| 12:13.24 | laddu | and finally one last clairifcation. You recommend dpkg over synaptic. Please tell me why dpkg is the proper way. thaks |
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| 12:15.03 | Mike3620_ | How would I setup rDNS in debian? |
| 12:15.24 | Mike3620_ | I want a url to show up when I join freenode and not my IP address |
| 12:15.30 | laddu | is kernel 3.9 more stable than 3.4 |
| 12:15.46 | moof2 | no idea |
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| 12:16.52 | mumpitzel | I already told you two times why dpkg, I won't tell you a third time |
| 12:17.04 | laddu | fair enough. |
| 12:17.16 | MaddinXx | hi there. php5-dev is missing headers for mysqlnd (a bug already exists) - does anyone of you know how to compile mysqlnd_qc (PECL) anyway? e.g. manually map the headers or what ever needs to be done? |
| 12:17.27 | mumpitzel | *sigh* for synaptic you'd have to edit sources.list. much bigger chance of something going wrong |
| 12:17.52 | mumpitzel | MaddinXx: which headers are missing? |
| 12:18.16 | MaddinXx | mumpitzel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1056072 |
| 12:18.22 | yeenoghu | what alternatives do I have for digitally signing log entries and/or log files? Currently looking into signtool/NSS utils, any loggers that has this built in? |
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| 12:18.31 | laddu | thanks and sorry for making you repeat yourself. Should I consider just compling the kernel? Linux 3.9.5. says it's stable, I would think it'll be more stable that 3.91? |
| 12:18.39 | MaddinXx | mumpitzel: php5/ext/mysqlnd/php_mysqlnd.h |
| 12:18.53 | moof2 | I have a wheezy net install image stored on a LV. can I boot it from there? |
| 12:19.11 | mumpitzel | MaddinXx: check if the source package has the file, copy it over manually |
| 12:19.37 | mumpitzel | moof2: yes grub can boot ISOs and grub can deal with LVs too afaik |
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| 12:21.36 | moof2 | it would have to be grub 2 I suppose... I'm going to find another place on the drive to store it... lessee |
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| 12:21.45 | MaddinXx | mumpitzel: it's in there - nice :) how can I find the location it needs to be located in? |
| 12:22.26 | yeenoghu | syslog-sign doesn't look like it's made it to an implementation yet |
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| 12:25.07 | mumpitzel | MaddinXx: put it in the same place the other headers frm the -dev go. with a little thought like maybe a mysqlnd/ subdir if needed or whatever |
| 12:25.17 | yeenoghu | ideally I would want to sign entries and not just the files |
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| 12:25.40 | laddu | I've just seen this: http://linuxg.net/compile-kernel-3-9-on-debian-wheezy/ will this all suffice? |
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| 12:28.29 | mumpitzel | you can do it but why would you want to? |
| 12:29.18 | laddu | because kernel.org says 3.9.5 is stable |
| 12:29.31 | laddu | and 3.9 is in unstable |
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| 12:33.05 | mumpitzel | ,kernels |
| 12:33.07 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.10-rc4-686-pae (3.10~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 3.9-1-686-pae (3.9.4-1); jessie: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3) |
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| 12:33.49 | jelly-home | laddu: stable from kernel.org terminology means something different from "stable for general usage" or stable in debian terminology |
| 12:34.04 | laddu | right. |
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| 12:35.29 | jelly-home | you could try using it and it might fare better than your current kernel on your hardware |
| 12:35.33 | laddu | so would 3.4 be more stable than 3.9 in sid's repos? It just seems that bug patches are applied in higher kernels, but with the weirdness of them being less stable. |
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| 12:36.56 | jelly-home | well, kernel.org "longterm" branches are supposed to introduce no infrastructural changes, so in theory they're the more stable branch to use |
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| 12:37.12 | jelly-home | in practice it's hard to say (try it and see) |
| 12:37.33 | laddu | right. |
| 12:37.46 | laddu | so much hassle, just to get my wifi to work! |
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| 12:39.17 | jelly-home | you could try and linux-headers-3.9-1-amd64 linux-headers-3.9-1-common{a} linux-image-3.9-1-amd64 linux-kbuild-3.9 from unstable, install with dpkg and see if it works |
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| 12:43.45 | ali | laddu: maybe ndiswrapper to load wifi drivers? |
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| 12:45.33 | Somelauw | mumixam: Nope, it was still using openjdk6/openjre6 6 somehow. It wouldn't work until I removed every single openjdk6 packages including java headless. |
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| 12:47.49 | joj | /close |
| 12:48.08 | joj | Excuse me, please. |
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| 12:53.38 | MaddinXx | mumpitzel: thx for the help btw :) |
| 12:54.24 | mumpitzel | that's what we are here for |
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| 12:58.47 | funkygibbon | jmcnaught, https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=bts.birchalls.com.au |
| 12:58.49 | funkygibbon | ! |
| 12:59.08 | funkygibbon | on apache 2.2.22, squeeze |
| 12:59.16 | funkygibbon | not gnutls iether |
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| 13:00.19 | funkygibbon | I think the trick was to specify "SSLProtocol all -SSLv2" instead of "SSLProtocol -ALL +SSLv3 +TLSv1" |
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| 13:00.45 | funkygibbon | since 2.2.22 doesn't support +TLSv1.1 or +TLSv1.2 |
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| 13:04.40 | Iridos | *sigh* |
| 13:04.55 | Iridos | so how do I get input/output to the usb headphones with pulse in wheezy |
| 13:05.17 | Iridos | pavucontrol at least doesn'T show the headphones in the list of output devices |
| 13:05.20 | babilen | Iridos: Select the appropriate output sink in pavucontrol might be worth a try |
| 13:05.48 | babilen | ... ah .. another example of: answered too early as not all information was provided. |
| 13:05.56 | babilen | What about papref? |
| 13:05.57 | jelly-home | Iridos: output devices tab does not show the usb device at all? |
| 13:06.20 | Iridos | "configuration" tab shows it, but "output devices" does not |
| 13:06.34 | jelly-home | Iridos: are they enabled in the configuration tab? |
| 13:06.39 | Iridos | yeah |
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| 13:06.56 | jelly-home | Iridos: which profile is chosen? |
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| 13:07.11 | anddam | is line 72 in /etc/init.d/skeleton correctly using $NAME? Shouldn't it be $DAEMON there? |
| 13:07.41 | Iridos | jelly-home, trying different ones right now... but the one that was on and makes most sense is "Analog Stereo Output + Analog Mono Input" |
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| 13:08.22 | jelly-home | Iridos: if this is a headset with a mono microphone, yeah |
| 13:08.31 | Iridos | it is |
| 13:09.22 | jelly-home | Iridos: does the device appear if you switch the profile to "Off" and back to that one |
| 13:10.09 | Iridos | no |
| 13:10.58 | jelly-home | what if you choose just "Analog Stereo Output" |
| 13:11.09 | anddam | self answer: seems it is because it's using --name rather than --exec, still the actual executable and the init script could be different |
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| 13:13.23 | Iridos | wow... seems I managed to break it further |
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| 13:13.50 | Iridos | now I only got "dummy output"... after I had switched the built-in audio off to see if it'd switch to headphones |
| 13:14.01 | Iridos | now switching it on does nothing either |
| 13:14.07 | jelly-home | eh |
| 13:14.10 | Iridos | <3 pulse |
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| 13:14.42 | jelly-home | pactl exit; mv ~/.pulse ~/.pulse.old |
| 13:14.43 | Iridos | jelly-home, does that count as progress? |
| 13:15.30 | jelly-home | it counts as an attempt at resetting to defaults |
| 13:15.40 | Iridos | pactly exit --> Connection failure: Connection terminated |
| 13:15.45 | Iridos | I meant ... breaking the other sound too |
| 13:15.47 | jelly-home | Iridos: that's expected |
| 13:15.49 | Iridos | that's progress... of a sort |
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| 13:16.19 | jelly-home | it tells the daemon to kill itself, and it does and shuts down the socket |
| 13:16.34 | Iridos | jelly-home, \o/ it's there |
| 13:16.39 | anddam | managed to make the init script work with autossh, I'll should pastebin it someplace… |
| 13:16.42 | jelly-home | Iridos: what is |
| 13:16.49 | anddam | s/'ll should/'d/ |
| 13:17.03 | Iridos | jelly-home, everything! |
| 13:17.11 | jelly-home | EVERYTHING?! |
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| 13:17.26 | dejan_ | please |
| 13:17.28 | Iridos | right. every sound output device on this world :P |
| 13:17.37 | Iridos | well, at least everyone I apparently have on this machine |
| 13:17.49 | jelly-home | Iridos: nice, please don't play stuff on my usb card. |
| 13:17.56 | cardiel | is there someway i can install xserver-xorg-video-intel from stable when running testing? |
| 13:17.57 | dejan_ | can someone explain this to me, some guys here yesterday told me if I make changes to my name server it will take up to 2 days time for tld name servers to get updated |
| 13:18.22 | Iridos | jelly-home, thanks for the help... didn't even know there was .pulse :) |
| 13:18.24 | cardiel | dejan_: it usually goes much faster |
| 13:18.28 | dejan_ | but when I make changes on afraid.org which offers dynamic dns service changes take effect immeadetly |
| 13:18.43 | dejan_ | I know its not linux and debian question sry :S |
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| 13:18.50 | dejan_ | im just dieing to know this |
| 13:18.54 | jelly-home | Iridos: all the previous per-app configuration is lost now |
| 13:19.04 | PerfDave | Hmm, since upgrading cyrus-imapd to from 2.1.18 to 2.4.16 as part of a Debian upgrade, connections over IMAPS hang on connect; normal IMAP and STARTTLS seem to be OK. http://paste.debian.net/9328/ has imtest output. Any clue how I can diagnose? |
| 13:21.22 | Iridos | jelly-home, which is totally fine with me, as there was none |
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| 13:21.43 | Iridos | (no working one) |
| 13:22.14 | PerfDave | dejan_: All DNS records have a "Time To Live" (TTL) value which says how long they're valid for. |
| 13:23.12 | PerfDave | dejan_: So if your computer requests a DNS lookup, it'll cache the result for the TTL. If the record changes upstream, your computer (or some midstream DNS server) won't bother to query it until the TTL expires. |
| 13:23.14 | dejan_ | I just made change on afraid org of my subdomain and change is active immeadetly |
| 13:23.33 | PerfDave | dejan_: You can set the TTL - perhaps this afraid.org uses a lower TTL |
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| 13:24.39 | dejan_ | so I can set TTL on 1 min? |
| 13:25.16 | PerfDave | If you control the DNS records you can set the TTL to 1 second ;) |
| 13:25.29 | PerfDave | But it will generate extra load on your DNS server |
| 13:25.58 | jelly-home | 300 seconds is a typical low value that doesn't get ignored by caching recursors |
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| 13:26.24 | bitgeek | I'd like a hint please, my distro is jessie but I'd like 2 packages from sid, is that possible? |
| 13:26.47 | PerfDave | bitgeek: If you have to ask, I'd question why you're not running stable :) |
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| 13:27.25 | bitgeek | PerfDave :) - learn by fixing.... |
| 13:28.01 | bitgeek | I thought with Wheezy just released jessie would be roughly the same |
| 13:28.36 | bitgeek | and I could learn more about the workings of Debian as the two diverge |
| 13:28.45 | jelly-home | ,v libc6 |
| 13:28.46 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38; jessie: 2.17-3; sid: 2.17-5 |
| 13:28.53 | jelly-home | bitgeek: it's not the same any more. |
| 13:29.15 | PerfDave | bitgeek: Generally mixing binary packages between branches is a bad idea |
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| 13:30.47 | themill | bitgeek: jessie was about 30% different from wheezy within 24 hours of the release |
| 13:31.09 | bitgeek | ohh really, I am want libotr so I can build the OTR plugin for Pidgin |
| 13:31.29 | bitgeek | themill: wow.... so fast, you guys don't hang around |
| 13:31.29 | themill | http://ircbots.debian.net/stats/ |
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| 13:32.17 | jelly-home | bitgeek: does the one from the distro not work any more? |
| 13:32.21 | jelly-home | ,v pidgin-otr |
| 13:32.22 | judd | Package: pidgin-otr on i386 -- squeeze: 3.2.0-5+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 3.2.0-5+squeeze1; jessie: 3.2.1-3+deb7u1; wheezy: 3.2.1-3+deb7u1; sid: 4.0.0-1 |
| 13:32.59 | bitgeek | ohh I didnt see that mentioned OTR page, let me try |
| 13:34.10 | garotosopa | Hi. I noticed that lightdm-gtk-greeter gets all funky when desktop-base and gnome-icon-theme are not installed. Do you think this is the case for a bug report to change these packages to Depends instead of Recommends? Or this behavior is expected when we don't install recommended packages? |
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| 13:35.59 | babilen | garotosopa: What exactly does "funky" mean? Recommended packages are that, so if only a few icons are missing I don't see a problem at all. |
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| 13:36.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell garotosopa -about why recommends |
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| 13:37.22 | garotosopa | babilen: thanks, that description answers my question. |
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| 13:40.24 | bitgeek | judd: that worked, I searched packages.debian.org for pidgin, shows lots of good stuff, thank you |
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| 13:40.55 | jelly-home | judd: botsnack |
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| 13:42.21 | babilen | dpkg: tell bitgeek -about search |
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| 13:44.29 | judd | munches happily |
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| 13:58.07 | dekiss | tld nameservers have TTL? |
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| 13:58.36 | mumpitzel | all nameservers do. if the ones caching the entry honor the TTL is another matter |
| 13:58.57 | AsumFace | noooooo i accidentally installed a desktop environment |
| 13:59.12 | mumpitzel | AsumFace: which one? |
| 13:59.29 | AsumFace | gnome 3 i think |
| 13:59.35 | AsumFace | purge time |
| 13:59.39 | mumpitzel | !remove gnome |
| 13:59.39 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 13:59.50 | mumpitzel | hmmm.. no 3 update? |
| 13:59.52 | mumpitzel | !remove gnome3 |
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| 14:00.13 | AsumFace | i know how to remove it but thanks :P |
| 14:00.20 | pbase | I am having a problem with the sound in wheezy. The speakers work for a while (~5 minutes) and then strangely stop working. I have to then use the headphones to hear the sounds. Is this a known issue? |
| 14:00.35 | pbase | Hopefully this gets resolved today. |
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| 14:01.02 | Dart1976 | Flash Player? youtupe Midori plugin? |
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| 14:01.24 | mtn | pbase: sounds (pun slightly intended) like a connection problem or is it a laptop? |
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| 14:01.57 | dekiss | thank you mumpitzel |
| 14:01.58 | pbase | mtn: it is a laptop indeed. well there is no pun intended |
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| 14:02.27 | mtn | pbase: very odd then, mine works fine. Dart1976 had a couple of good questions |
| 14:02.56 | pbase | mtn: had it been connection problem, it would not always stop working after 5 minutes of system start |
| 14:03.25 | Dart1976 | Who can help me, How to install or where can I find it? |
| 14:03.39 | mtn | pbase: still could be an interneal connection issue. doesn't really look like a software problem |
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| 14:04.53 | mtn | Dart1976: open synaptic and search for flash. you will find the flashplugin |
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| 14:05.34 | dekiss | what you think about this? http://www.cloudns.net/premium/ |
| 14:05.47 | dekiss | its cheapest I have found so far |
| 14:05.59 | dekiss | if you know totally free one pls tell, on which I can set TTL |
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| 14:06.14 | mumpitzel | dekiss: this is debian related how? |
| 14:06.27 | zykotick9 | Dart1976: you need the contrib repo enabled to find flashplugin-non-free (or similar name) |
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| 14:09.15 | Dart1976 | I have the Midori browser, on my Raspbeery Pi and wanted to watch a video ... YouTupe missing a plug in |
| 14:10.00 | mtn | Dart1976: that is not debian and flash may not be available |
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| 14:10.51 | mumpitzel | flash certainly isn't available since it's x86 only at this time pretty much. but use a proper browser which does html5 with h.264 and you should have no problem |
| 14:10.53 | zykotick9 | Dart1976: if you are using raspbian, see "/msg dpkg raspbian" for the right support channel |
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| 14:11.33 | zykotick9 | mumpitzel: html5 only opens a small percentage of youtube videos... |
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| 14:16.05 | Kaurin | hmm... Is there a way to install dovecot1.2 on wheezy?... like a reverse backport or something |
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| 14:16.36 | dvs | ,v dovecot |
| 14:16.38 | judd | No package named 'dovecot' was found in i386. |
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| 14:17.23 | Kaurin | judd dovecot-common |
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| 14:17.44 | Kaurin | it's 1.2 in squeeze and 2.1 in wheezy |
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| 14:19.03 | staar2 | does the xsession.d is removed from current versions ? |
| 14:19.05 | dvs | Kaurin: probably not. They use different library versions. |
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| 14:23.40 | ClaudeQC | Hello. Just installed Debian V7 with Xfce as desktop manager on a computer. In /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf, I enabled XDMCP ([XDMCPServer] enabled=true). In /etc/hosts.allow, I added the following line: ALL: LOCAL. Unfortunately, I am unable to remotely connect on that computer :-( Any clue? |
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| 14:42.17 | AlphaXero | hello! |
| 14:42.29 | AlphaXero | SO I am tyring to install flash on my relativly new debian machine |
| 14:42.45 | AlphaXero | and it keeps saying that it is unable to locate package flashplayer-nofree |
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| 14:42.53 | AlphaXero | but I am using the non-free repo |
| 14:43.04 | AlphaXero | any ideas? |
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| 14:43.30 | PerfDave | AlphaXero: Is it really called "flashplayer-nofree" ? |
| 14:43.41 | AlphaXero | thats the only flashplayer package i can find |
| 14:43.47 | AlphaXero | I guess i could just install from source |
| 14:43.55 | AlphaXero | but I hate installing from source, it never works |
| 14:44.16 | PerfDave | I'm pretty sure that's not what it's called. |
| 14:45.08 | mtn | AlphaXero: try this: aptitude search flashplayer |
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| 14:47.23 | ompaul | ,v flashplayer-nonfree |
| 14:47.24 | judd | No package named 'flashplayer-nonfree' was found in i386. |
| 14:47.53 | dvs | AlphaXero: I think you need the contrib repo |
| 14:48.01 | ompaul | ,v flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:48.02 | judd | Package: flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2+squeeze1; jessie/contrib: 1:3.2; sid/contrib: 1:3.2; wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2; experimental/contrib: 1:3.2.1 |
| 14:48.10 | mtn | yes, flashplugin |
| 14:48.26 | mtn | my bad |
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| 15:19.05 | niargh | What's the best way to know which software version you're about to install before you issue the "apt-get install" command? |
| 15:19.25 | niargh | Is there something like an "apt-get inspect" command? |
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| 15:19.52 | zykotick9 | mtn: regarding your suggestion to use "aptitude search foo" - i'd recommend you instead suggest "apt-cache search foo". "aptitude search" can be used like a scalpel, and is very accurate (but unforgiving as well). while "apt-cache search" is a bit more horse-shoes / handgernade like ;) |
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| 15:21.25 | Thalheim | Hi, I was wondering if there are any offline-installation ISOs of the latest amd64 testing build? I can only find i386 images. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ versus http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 15:21.59 | mtn | zykotick9: I will play around with it, but in this case it finds the same things either way :P |
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| 15:22.35 | zykotick9 | mtn: the aptitude search doesn't look in descriptions by default (i believe is one difference) |
| 15:23.38 | funkygibbon | niargh, aptitude versions 'package' |
| 15:23.55 | niargh | funkygibbon: thanks! |
| 15:24.18 | funkygibbon | dunno if it's the BEST way, but it works :) |
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| 15:26.43 | zykotick9 | Thalheim: why do you want the testing-installer? just install stable and convert to testing, seems like the path of least resistance to me. |
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| 15:28.05 | ompaul | Thalheim: the function of the testing installer is to test the installer - to install testing you should do what zykotick9 said |
| 15:28.58 | Sevet_ | !tell Thalheim about wheezy->jessie |
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| 15:30.55 | AsumFace | my debian installation is stuck at preparing the kernel (83%), do i have to restart the installation or is there a way to fix that? |
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| 15:31.56 | ompaul | AsumFace: how much room did you give this installation? |
| 15:32.15 | AsumFace | RAM or hdd? |
| 15:32.21 | ompaul | hdd |
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| 15:32.25 | AsumFace | 6 gigs |
| 15:32.28 | AsumFace | 8* |
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| 15:32.46 | ompaul | how many of the tasks did you give it to do? |
| 15:32.54 | ompaul | i.e. webserver desktop and all that |
| 15:33.13 | AsumFace | i wasn't at this point yet |
| 15:33.16 | joncrunchbang | AsumFace: did you check the md5sum of the image? |
| 15:33.29 | joncrunchbang | the .iso file you downloaded. |
| 15:33.31 | AsumFace | no :P |
| 15:33.44 | ompaul | so you didn't do thing 1 |
| 15:33.52 | joncrunchbang | you should always check it, just so you can rule that out. |
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| 15:34.47 | ksuhku | the check is stupidly the last item in the installer, what a crazy design |
| 15:35.03 | ompaul | ksuhku: file a bug |
| 15:35.08 | AsumFace | well, vbox crashed now |
| 15:35.10 | ksuhku | yeah |
| 15:35.14 | messa4 | I have uclibc based x86 system (not debian). Is there any way to install "deb" system on it? |
| 15:35.29 | multi_io_ | does the current initscripts package (2.88dsf-41) contain a loop between stop-bootlogd and rmnologin? |
| 15:35.44 | ompaul | AsumFace: and there you go - unstable underneath hardware or third party package ;-) give it 10gigs and test the install media |
| 15:36.36 | multi_io_ | every apt-get install here fails with "insserv: Starting stop-bootlogd depends on rmnologin and therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true!" |
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| 15:38.23 | ompaul | multi_io_: some questions that may help you redefine your question - before I disappear (in a few seconds) version of debian what command were you running |
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| 15:39.27 | ws2k3 | when i unpack a .tgz file is there a option i can give to tar that it shows procentage of how far he is ? |
| 15:39.44 | multi_io_ | ompaul: aptitude install <anything> |
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| 15:40.17 | ompaul | multi_io_: and the other part of the question |
| 15:40.24 | PerfDave | ws2k3: No. -v will list files that are being extracted. |
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| 15:40.37 | multi_io_ | ompaul: testing |
| 15:41.16 | ompaul | multi_io_: (A) I've not seen others complain about that (B) I would do apt-get update and try an apt-get dist-upgrade and see how that works for you |
| 15:41.32 | wjtaylor | Anyone know where to find (or a resource to make) an init script to start/suspend vbox VMs on host boot/shutdown? |
| 15:41.34 | ompaul | with verbose error messages in paste.debian.net (not some advertising pastebin) |
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| 15:41.54 | multi_io_ | ompaul: the message kind of makes sense, when I look at how rmnologin depends on $all and stop-bootlogd depends on rmnologin (and therefore, indirectly, on itself) |
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| 15:43.00 | multi_io_ | hence my question whether that'ss a bug in the initscripts package (which stop-bootlogd and rmnologin are part of) |
| 15:44.19 | multi_io_ | (if I understand these LSB initscript comment lines correctly) |
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| 15:46.55 | Section58 | whats the flag for NOT match in grep ... |
| 15:46.58 | Section58 | o.. -v |
| 15:46.59 | Section58 | thanks |
| 15:47.00 | Section58 | :) |
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| 15:49.34 | tw | Can you set the privileged port limit higher? I want to require cap_net_bind_service for ports under 2048. |
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| 15:50.04 | tw | either that or mark specific ports as needing cap_net_bind_service |
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| 15:53.56 | mumpitzel | I'm sure you can when you maybe recompile your kernel, unless there is ia /sys variable somewhere |
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| 15:54.14 | PerfDave | Looks like dist-upgrading from squeeze pulled out sysklogd but didn't replace it with something that's in wheezy. Suggestions for a drop-in replacement? |
| 15:54.18 | Thalheim | zykotick9, Sevet_ -- I was only curious about why the amd64 builds lacked the images that the others had; it's not any sort of issue for me at all. But thanks for the feedback. |
| 15:54.31 | PerfDave | Single host, simple requirements for logging etc. |
| 15:54.52 | tw | Was hoping to avoid a recompile. I found the spot where I'd need to change it in the kernel source. |
| 15:55.03 | no_gravity | Hello! Strange, in debian 6 i was using mtpfs to mount my nexus 4. Under Debian 7 I cannot find mtpfs. Is it not in the repos anymore? How did I install it under Debian 6? |
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| 15:55.59 | PerfDave | no_gravity: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mtpfs.html may help? |
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| 15:56.15 | mumpitzel | ,v mtpfs |
| 15:56.16 | judd | Package: mtpfs on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9-3; sid: 1.1-4 |
| 15:56.48 | no_gravity | PerfDave: how? |
| 15:56.54 | no_gravity | mumpitzel: what does that mean? |
| 15:57.21 | PerfDave | no_gravity: It says that it was removed from wheezy due to unfixed "grave" severity bugs in the latest release. |
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| 15:57.57 | no_gravity | PerfDave: damn. now how do i mount my nexus 4? |
| 15:58.03 | mumpitzel | ,depends mtpfs sid |
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| 15:58.04 | judd | Package mtpfs in sid/i386 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libfuse2 (>= 2.8.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.31.8), libid3tag0 (>= 0.15.1b), libmad0 (>= 0.15.1b-3), libmtp9 (>= 1.1.0), libusb-1.0-0 (>= 2:1.0.8), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), fuse. |
| 15:58.26 | Iridos | jelly-home, argh... pulse seems totally erratic here |
| 15:58.45 | Iridos | now from gmail/chat it seems off, as I can suddenly see the single devices again |
| 15:58.52 | PerfDave | no_gravity: Fix the bugs, backport the package? |
| 15:59.03 | Iridos | on a news flash(?) video, there's no sound at all |
| 15:59.17 | mumpitzel | PerfDave: oh my, now you've done it |
| 15:59.17 | Iridos | and when I watched the news via mplayer, the stream wasn't in the list |
| 15:59.43 | no_gravity | PerfDave: fix the bugs? i guess its written in C? i have never used C. what means "backport"? |
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| 16:00.13 | PerfDave | no_gravity: You can compile the unstable version of the package against the stable libraries, but that'll give you the bugs that cause it not to work. |
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| 16:01.02 | no_gravity | PerfDave: hmm... so what do i do? 2 options i see: go back to debian 6 or use mint instead of debian. both dont make me too happy. |
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| 16:01.23 | PerfDave | no_gravity: Fix the bugs, wait for somebody else to fix them, pay somebody to fix them... |
| 16:02.19 | franciscoortega | Hello. I'm currently installing Debian 7 on a Mac Book Pro (2007) …. Is there any special package that I should get… for example to recognize the external apple keyboard and mouse (bluetooth) ... |
| 16:02.47 | no_gravity | PerfDave: if it would be easy to pay somebody, like "go to bug tracker, enter credit card number" i would do it. |
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| 16:03.44 | no_gravity | PerfDave: but i need to use my phone today. so i guess i have to boot some other os now. |
| 16:03.58 | dondelelcaro | !tell no_gravity -about ssb |
| 16:03.59 | PerfDave | no_gravity: You can put bounties on bugs |
| 16:04.17 | franciscoortega | no_gravity: What do you think a bug like the one you are having would cost ? |
| 16:04.27 | dondelelcaro | no_gravity: follow those instructions, and you can upgrade it. You should also be able to install it from oldstable and still use it. |
| 16:04.33 | no_gravity | franciscoortega: no idea. |
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| 16:04.47 | no_gravity | !tell no_gravity -about ssb |
| 16:04.58 | dondelelcaro | (considering that the package hasn't been updated recently, you can probably also just grab the .deb from unstable and do it too) |
| 16:05.16 | no_gravity | dondelelcaro: i dont even understand the first sentence "check for <backport>". |
| 16:05.28 | franciscoortega | no_gravity: because you mention you were ready to use your credit card to pay for it. I'm assuming you had an idea… |
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| 16:06.15 | no_gravity | franciscoortega: hmm.. maybe 50 dollars? i dont know. but i need it now, so booting another os might be the only way. or what dondelelcaro suggests. but so far i have no idea what it is. |
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| 16:07.20 | franciscoortega | ok |
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| 16:07.46 | nadersith | hi |
| 16:09.19 | dondelelcaro | no_gravity: which architecture are you using? |
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| 16:10.06 | no_gravity | dondelelcaro: you mean what kind of hardware? a thinkpad and a nexus 4. |
| 16:10.41 | mumpitzel | he means "amd64" or "i386" |
| 16:11.30 | dondelelcaro | no_gravity: anyway, you can get the version from unstable and just install that |
| 16:11.36 | no_gravity | mumpitzel: i guess intel. |
| 16:11.46 | no_gravity | dondelelcaro: sounds good! how do i do that? |
| 16:11.57 | dondelelcaro | no_gravity: what does dpkg --print-architecture; output? |
| 16:12.11 | no_gravity | dondelelcaro: i386 |
| 16:12.28 | dondelelcaro | no_gravity: so you're running i386. [Next time someone asks, that's what you run to find out.] |
| 16:12.29 | no_gravity | I wonder what this is for: http://packages.debian.org/de/wheezy/mtp-tools |
| 16:12.53 | no_gravity | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 16:13.21 | dondelelcaro | no_gravity: wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mtpfs/mtpfs_1.1-4_i386.deb; sudo dpkg -i mtpfs_1.1-4_i386.deb; will install it |
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| 16:13.45 | dondelelcaro | no_gravity: you will probably have to also run apt-get -f install; afterwards to download libmtp9 et al. |
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| 16:14.11 | dondelelcaro | no_gravity: and there's no guarantee that you won't run into #654939 immediately |
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| 16:15.17 | no_gravity | dondelelcaro: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mtpfs: |
| 16:15.27 | no_gravity | dondelelcaro: mtpfs depends on libid3tag0 (>= 0.15.1b); |
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| 16:16.00 | dondelelcaro | no_gravity: right; run apt-get -f install; and it should prompt you to download libid3tag0 et al. |
| 16:16.01 | no_gravity | ah, ok the apt-get -f install seems to fix it |
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| 16:16.36 | dondelelcaro | no_gravity: note that you should *not* in general do what I just suggested; you have to know what package you are installing that way and what it depends on. |
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| 16:17.00 | no_gravity | dondelelcaro: mtpfs hangs on "attempting to connect device"... |
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| 16:17.17 | _tyler | Hey guys, I'm trying to set up a private web dev server |
| 16:17.28 | _tyler | I've got apache up and running |
| 16:17.38 | _tyler | and I can SSH into my server remotely |
| 16:17.56 | dondelelcaro | no_gravity: you might have to backport a newer version of libmpt9, then |
| 16:18.18 | _tyler | But I keep getting permission errors when I try to create new files |
| 16:18.23 | no_gravity | dondelelcaro: sounds adventurous |
| 16:18.32 | mumpitzel | _tyler: try to create them how and where? |
| 16:18.58 | _tyler | I've tried to create them through PuTTY |
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| 16:19.17 | _tyler | just using cat |
| 16:19.30 | _tyler | I've also tried sudo cat |
| 16:19.47 | _tyler | but I keep getting told I don't have permission |
| 16:20.00 | _tyler | I'm logging into the server as root |
| 16:20.50 | mumpitzel | you didn't answer the question. and logging in as root is not a good idea at all |
| 16:20.59 | dondelelcaro | no_gravity: yes. You may also try adbfs or something similar; unfortunately, all of the android devices I have use usb mass storage, so I've not bothered with MPFS ever. |
| 16:21.30 | no_gravity | dondelelcaro: E: Unable to locate package adbfs |
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| 16:21.40 | _tyler | I'm logging in from a different machine |
| 16:21.41 | dondelelcaro | no_gravity: it's not packaged in Debian, AFAICT |
| 16:21.45 | _tyler | On the same network |
| 16:22.18 | yang | how to unhold the package (hi status) ? |
| 16:23.26 | no_gravity | dondelelcaro: so nobody who upgraded to debian 7 can use mtp devices anymore? amazing. |
| 16:24.07 | jhutchins_wk | _tyler: Exact command you are using? |
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| 16:25.45 | _tyler | cat > /var/www/foo.txt |
| 16:26.27 | Yitro | _tyler: /var/ mounted read only? |
| 16:27.57 | zinx | no_gravity: pardon? |
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| 16:28.13 | no_gravity | zinx: whats up? |
| 16:28.24 | DexterF | does debian tell me the model of my motherboard somwhere? |
| 16:28.27 | zinx | no_gravity: i have no problem using mtp, no idea what you're going on about. |
| 16:28.38 | no_gravity | zinx: how do you do it? |
| 16:28.46 | Zitter | what does it mean TV-0, DVI-I-2, DVI-I-3 in http://pastie.org/8026879 ? I have a video card with two connector where I have attached 2 monitor. Does it mean that I can attach two more monitor on DVI? And where if I haven't phisical plug? TIA |
| 16:29.20 | zinx | no_gravity: generally by using mtp-tools or some other program using libmtp, but mtpfs (FUSE) also works here, so idk. |
| 16:29.51 | tranquimajo | DexterF: try hwinfo |
| 16:30.26 | no_gravity | zinx: when i run something from mtp-tools like mtp-filetree it hangs forever. same with mtpfs (which is not part of debian 7. how did you install it?) |
| 16:30.45 | zinx | no_gravity: using aptitude. |
| 16:31.03 | no_gravity | zinx: aptitude can install stuff that is not part of the distro? |
| 16:31.12 | zinx | i'm running sid, perhaps it stayed there and not in 7? idk. |
| 16:31.30 | zinx | no_gravity: yes, it can, but afaik i've not done so with MTP-related stuff :P |
| 16:32.51 | PerfDave | zinx: Yes, the package was removed from testing & stable because it's... unstable. But it's still in unstable, because unstable don't mind having unstable packages ;) |
| 16:33.02 | zinx | no_gravity: interesting, it /is/ in sid but not wheezy |
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| 16:33.54 | no_gravity | was mtpfs also booted from ubuntu? i can somehow hardly imagine that no ubuntu user can use mtp devices anymore today. |
| 16:34.26 | PerfDave | no_gravity: Debian is not Ubuntu, Ubuntu is not Debian. |
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| 16:34.52 | no_gravity | PerfDave: but if ubuntu fixed the prob, wouldnt it make sense to import the fix into debian? |
| 16:34.55 | DexterF | tranquimajo: dmidecode told me |
| 16:35.16 | PerfDave | no_gravity: What makes you think Ubuntu has fixed the problem? |
| 16:35.19 | zinx | no_gravity: i doubt mtpfs is used much by ubuntu users, the libmtp GUI frontends are easier and don't require mounting |
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| 16:36.19 | no_gravity | PerfDave: as i said: i find it hard to believe ubuntu users are ok with not being able to use their android phones anymore. |
| 16:36.22 | IBLUES76 | no_gravity: ubuntu, the spyware OS |
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| 16:37.02 | no_gravity | zinx: what is an libmtp frontend? and since mtp-tools are not working here i would guess the gui frontends wouldnt work either. |
| 16:37.04 | PerfDave | no_gravity: If Ubuntu has fixed the bug then the fix can be transferred to Debian. But Ubuntu gets its packages from Debian unstable, so it seems unlikely. |
| 16:37.56 | no_gravity | PerfDave: the mtpfs_1.1-4_i386.deb i installed - was that from unstable? |
| 16:38.32 | PerfDave | no_gravity: 1.1-4 is the version of mtpfs currently in unstable. |
| 16:38.48 | no_gravity | PerfDave: hmm.. but it does not work. in debian 6 it worked. |
| 16:38.52 | PerfDave | no_gravity: You should read up on how packages migrate in Debian, and to other distros. |
| 16:39.16 | PerfDave | no_gravity: Yes, the new version of mtpfs has grave bugs. That's why it wasn't included in Debian 7. |
| 16:39.22 | no_gravity | ok, thanks for all your help guys. |
| 16:39.29 | no_gravity | have to try booting some other os now. |
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| 16:40.17 | PerfDave | Well that was all a big waste of time :) |
| 16:41.06 | amartin | Hi |
| 16:41.25 | Iridos | what else is new |
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| 16:41.46 | dekiss | if I host dns server and if I set TTL 2 seconds the changes I make to records will be active immeadetly? |
| 16:42.20 | PerfDave | dekiss: That depends. If something has cached a result from before the TTL changed, then it'll not see the changes until the old TTL expires. |
| 16:42.42 | dekiss | that something is TLD server right? |
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| 16:43.08 | PerfDave | dekiss: No, any client or interim server. |
| 16:43.10 | dekiss | OS like linux windows which are clients with web browsers cache DNS records? |
| 16:43.17 | PerfDave | Yes |
| 16:43.24 | dekiss | ok thank you PerfDave |
| 16:43.31 | dekiss | hm |
| 16:43.33 | PerfDave | TLD servers aren't actualyl very useful in DNS, they just redirect calls. |
| 16:43.43 | dekiss | so I guess there is default time on how much time they cache dns records |
| 16:43.54 | dekiss | I should check this, any idea? you may know this? |
| 16:43.57 | PerfDave | No, they cache it for as long as the TTL says to cache it. |
| 16:44.13 | dekiss | but if its 2 seconds |
| 16:44.27 | PerfDave | They cache it for as long as the TTL *when they made the request* says to cache it. |
| 16:44.40 | dekiss | so if I host name server and set TTL to 2 seconds, any change I make to lets say A record will be active imemadetly I guess |
| 16:44.44 | PerfDave | No |
| 16:44.53 | dekiss | because noone will cache my name server record |
| 16:44.55 | PerfDave | No |
| 16:44.58 | PerfDave | That's not how it works |
| 16:44.58 | dekiss | :( |
| 16:45.04 | PerfDave | Please go find a guide to DNS or something. |
| 16:45.16 | dekiss | can you please this thing for me PerfDave hanks in advance |
| 16:45.25 | dekiss | I am reading like 5 hours on it and still this is unclear to me |
| 16:45.40 | tranquimajo | dekiss: suppose you have a TTL of 3600 seconds |
| 16:45.45 | PerfDave | If I make a request before you change the TTL, and the old TTL is 1 day, then I won't check again for 1 day. So if you change the TTL after my request, I won't see the new TTL because I'm still using the old TTL value. |
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| 16:45.52 | mumpitzel | dekiss: DNS is handled by fulltime DNS admins...it wouldn't be if one could read up on it in 5 hours |
| 16:45.53 | tranquimajo | you make a request... |
| 16:46.11 | tranquimajo | and then you change the TTL to 2 seconds |
| 16:46.23 | PerfDave | You have to wait for up to the *old* TTL value to be sure that the new TTL value is being read. |
| 16:46.25 | tranquimajo | The reply will be cached for 3600 seconds |
| 16:46.43 | tranquimajo | (but the next answer will be cached for 2) |
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| 16:46.50 | dekiss | I know PerfDave |
| 16:47.32 | dekiss | but what I am saying is this: you come on my website I have TTL set to 2 minutes, you leave and after 1 minute of your leave I make change of my A record, you come in 4 minutes and you see my new A record |
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| 16:47.41 | dekiss | or you see cached dns like it was before? |
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| 16:48.30 | tranquimajo | dekiss: it should see the new one |
| 16:48.46 | dekiss | so |
| 16:48.54 | dekiss | my records won't be chaced |
| 16:49.03 | dekiss | they would be cached only for 2 seconds right? |
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| 16:49.20 | dekiss | so every change I make to my records will be active immeadetly after 2 seconds? |
| 16:49.31 | dekiss | if TTL is set to 2 seconds |
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| 16:50.06 | _tyler | how can I change permissions of /var? |
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| 16:51.59 | tranquimajo | dekiss: new replies will be cached for 2 s |
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| 16:52.22 | dekiss | so that means every change I make to the records will be active in 2 seconds? |
| 16:52.23 | epsilon | _tyler_ chmod, but use it on var only if you know what you are doing |
| 16:52.27 | tranquimajo | Old replies wil be forgot when the TTL they got expire |
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| 16:52.55 | dekiss | changes in the A and ns records |
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| 17:00.51 | cybrNaut | IBLUES76: why do you call Ubuntu the "spyware OS"? |
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| 17:01.28 | paulson | hi, my screen is blinking when i try to use vim or mc (midnight commander) in 256 colors? |
| 17:01.39 | babilen | is it? |
| 17:02.33 | DexterF | paulson: more details |
| 17:02.48 | paulson | DexterF: I use $TERM=256-colors |
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| 17:03.13 | paulson | and i start either vim or mc and the screen is flashing, i'm on a tty |
| 17:03.41 | DexterF | need 7 (os and raid) disks in a 6 sata ports system. move OS disk to usb3 or buy another sATA controller? |
| 17:03.58 | babilen | paulson: Haven't seen 256-colors before, are you sure that's correct? |
| 17:04.11 | babilen | ah, tty |
| 17:04.30 | paulson | babilen: you mean is it possible to have 256 colors? sure, it is |
| 17:04.43 | paulson | mc has built in skins for 256 colors |
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| 17:05.29 | babilen | paulson: No, I mean that I haven't seen a 256-colors terminfo (as opposed to, for example, "xterm-256color") |
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| 17:05.57 | paulson | babilen: my apologies, xterm-256color is indeed what i have in my bashrc |
| 17:06.25 | babilen | I wouldn't necessarily expect that to work in a tty (as you are clearly not using a xterm) |
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| 17:06.52 | paulson | actually i'm using screen-256color |
| 17:07.10 | paulson | so it has to be run on X to have 256 colors? |
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| 17:08.39 | paulson | you're right though, it does work in Konsole |
| 17:09.06 | dekiss | if client is trying to reach domain name for first time, where that client sends DNS packet as it's first destination? |
| 17:10.16 | tranquimajo | dekiss: what do you think? |
| 17:10.23 | dekiss | root servers right? |
| 17:10.35 | jelly-home | dekiss: correct |
| 17:10.35 | dekiss | some guys on #bind said that isn't true |
| 17:10.37 | dekiss | hah |
| 17:10.42 | dekiss | what guys this adapr |
| 17:10.46 | dekiss | who is this guy? |
| 17:10.59 | dekiss | having privileges everywhere he is banning me everywhere |
| 17:11.07 | jelly-home | it depends on local caching and other issues, and what you mean by "client" |
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| 17:11.22 | dekiss | and he said that is not correct he have not elemental understanding of anything rofl haha :D |
| 17:11.28 | dekiss | nevermind thaks jelly |
| 17:11.31 | dekiss | jelly-home, |
| 17:11.36 | dekiss | :) |
| 17:11.44 | tranquimajo | dekiss: a client will try its configured DNS servers |
| 17:11.51 | dekiss | client I mean man with browser on windows lets say with firefox |
| 17:11.56 | babilen | paulson: No, but I never tried to get 256 colours working on the console. All I am saying is that "xterm-256colors" is the wrong terminfo if you are, in fact, not using xterm. |
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| 17:12.31 | mumpitzel | jelly-home: wouldn't the client send it to its dns server which in turn asks the root servers? |
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| 17:14.11 | jelly-home | mumpitzel: define "its". Firefox has its own dns resolver library, and I do not know whether it consults /etc/resolv.conf which is basically a config file for the glibc resolver library. |
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| 17:14.29 | dekiss | when I open webpage for first time, I send packets do my dns server first then the pakcet is sent to root server? |
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| 17:14.41 | dekiss | I guess that is my ISP |
| 17:14.52 | epsilon | dekiss: kinda |
| 17:14.58 | dekiss | yep :) |
| 17:15.10 | dekiss | tell me pls if I set dns server to be google free dns server that will be bad? |
| 17:15.18 | dekiss | I mean will webpages open much slower? |
| 17:15.25 | mumpitzel | jelly-home: lets just assume we use a normal program which uses the debian provided APIs aka libc |
| 17:15.28 | jelly-home | dekiss: other apps use the local resolver, which asks only the namerservers mentioned in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:15.29 | epsilon | depends if google is evil for you |
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| 17:15.32 | tranquimajo | dekiss: Why don't you search for "dns query" in Google images? It's very illustrative |
| 17:15.33 | dekiss | I think pages that are hosted in USA will open even faster |
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| 17:15.58 | dekiss | tranquimajo, THAT IDEA SIR is best I have ever heard ! |
| 17:16.04 | epsilon | dekiss: use dns server near you (aka from your isp) |
| 17:16.25 | dekiss | thank you peopel especially tranquimajo nicce idea you gave me :) pictures was what I need |
| 17:16.32 | dekiss | as some things are uncelar to me still |
| 17:16.34 | tranquimajo | I was sure |
| 17:16.41 | dekiss | but Im not sure |
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| 17:16.48 | dekiss | dns packet travel very fast? |
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| 17:17.10 | dekiss | is there noable difference if packet is sent 20 000 km away or near me? |
| 17:17.31 | tranquimajo | dekiss: Are you serious? |
| 17:17.36 | dekiss | :D |
| 17:17.45 | dekiss | I mean how much is the difference? |
| 17:17.54 | zinx | dekiss: the speed of light, at the very least. |
| 17:17.57 | dekiss | if my dns server is 10000 km away or near me? |
| 17:18.00 | babilen | dekiss: twelve simpluxis |
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| 17:18.07 | tranquimajo | dekiss: What was the name of that guy? |
| 17:18.09 | dekiss | ok so optic speed of light i guess |
| 17:18.13 | zinx | dekiss: usually each router between you will also add a decent amount of latency |
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| 17:18.26 | dekiss | adaptr tranquimajo |
| 17:18.28 | dekiss | :) |
| 17:18.37 | tranquimajo | Call him, please. ;) |
| 17:18.51 | dekiss | sec |
| 17:19.38 | dekiss | I sent him msg :D |
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| 17:20.37 | dekiss | its very bad for Freenode he muted me for asking 3 questioin on #bind after he gave me wrong answers and telling me to find local teacher :DD |
| 17:20.45 | dekiss | thank yo uall again for valuable information |
| 17:20.53 | dekiss | nice people ^^ |
| 17:20.58 | dekiss | best community |
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| 17:22.22 | ompaul | !tell dekiss about enter |
| 17:22.23 | wolfje | Can someone help me? |
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| 17:22.43 | FilipeMaia | Is there a way to set the DNS search domain of hosts than connect to a pptp VPN? |
| 17:22.45 | ompaul | wolfje: ask your real question |
| 17:23.01 | FilipeMaia | Such that I can use hostnames without the domain |
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| 17:23.18 | wolfje | I want to connect to wifi from the terminal but i doesnt work :/ |
| 17:23.31 | tranquimajo | wolfje: elaborate, please |
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| 17:23.54 | ompaul | wolfje: ask your real question - kind of chipset version of debian and all sorts of data like that |
| 17:24.08 | wolfje | ? |
| 17:24.28 | wolfje | I just want to know how i need to connect to the wifi from the terminal? |
| 17:24.32 | mumpitzel | !doesn't work |
| 17:24.32 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 17:24.40 | mumpitzel | wolfje: all you need is to edit your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:24.40 | ompaul | wolfje: what is your chipset for your wifi what version of debian |
| 17:24.52 | ompaul | mumpitzel: that assumes driver in place |
| 17:25.01 | mumpitzel | ompaul: yes it does |
| 17:25.05 | tranquimajo | wolfje: it depends on what you are using to connect |
| 17:25.19 | wolfje | # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system |
| 17:25.20 | wolfje | # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5). |
| 17:25.20 | wolfje | # The loopback network interface |
| 17:25.20 | wolfje | auto lo |
| 17:25.20 | wolfje | iface lo inet loopback |
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| 17:25.36 | wolfje | ooops |
| 17:25.40 | ompaul | !tell wolfje about paste |
| 17:25.42 | mumpitzel | wolfje: has your wlan ever worked under debian? |
| 17:25.50 | wolfje | Yess |
| 17:25.50 | tranquimajo | wolfje: are you using network manager? |
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| 17:25.54 | wolfje | its stil works |
| 17:25.56 | foetus | :-[ |
| 17:26.02 | wolfje | but i want to connect from the terminal |
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| 17:26.29 | mumpitzel | wolfje: either use wicd-curses or edit the interfaces file. |
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| 17:26.52 | mumpitzel | wolfje: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 17:27.00 | wolfje | mumpitzel, What do i need to set into the interface line? |
| 17:27.10 | mumpitzel | read the url I just pasted |
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| 17:30.03 | tranquimajo | wolfje: try "nmcli con list" |
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| 17:31.19 | tranquimajo | wolfje: and then "nmcli up id <<whatever>>" |
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| 17:31.59 | tranquimajo | wolfje: or "nmcli up uuid <<whatever>>" |
| 17:32.57 | tranquimajo | wolfje: If you are using network manager, you don't need to edit /etc/network/interfaces at all |
| 17:33.20 | wolfje | http://pastebin.com/6HVfYRSk |
| 17:33.24 | wolfje | good like this? |
| 17:33.43 | zykotick9 | wolfje: infact, if your device is setup in interfaces, it won't be managed by N-M |
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| 17:34.18 | wolfje | zykotick9, Is that file good? |
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| 17:34.42 | zykotick9 | wolfje: i don't know. i don't visit pastebin.com see "/msg dpkg pastebin.com" for why. |
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| 17:39.00 | wolfje | http://pastebin.com/6HVfYRSk goog? |
| 17:39.02 | wolfje | good? |
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| 17:39.51 | IBLUES76 | Hi… I just installed Debian 7 in Mac Book Pro 2007… after installation, when booting up, it stays in: […] Waitin for /dev to be fully populated… |
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| 17:40.58 | wolfje | mumpitzel, Is this gooed? http://pastebin.com/6HVfYRSk |
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| 17:42.09 | IBLUES76 | it just stays there |
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| 17:43.05 | wolfje | IBLUES76, something went wrong? |
| 17:43.22 | IBLUES76 | not sure… |
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| 17:43.37 | IBLUES76 | maybe something wrong with the hardware |
| 17:43.47 | IBLUES76 | I had a few problems with this machine |
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| 17:45.10 | jeep | hi |
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| 17:49.14 | Dart1976 | hi |
| 17:49.59 | IBLUES76 | I'm going to put macosx for now, take it back to apple and see if they can run some test… is an older mac, but I have a feeling that is logic board… I have problems installing other odes, including newer mac os x… Even with the old mac os x, new install,m gets frozen… maybe I can get a free logic board… I had the luck to get that before for other older mac book pro… who knows… otherwise, I may just sell it for |
| 17:49.59 | IBLUES76 | parts, if I'm sure that is the hardware… |
| 17:50.00 | IBLUES76 | thanks |
| 17:52.47 | jacklk | I cannot connect to any PPTP VPN in Debian? |
| 17:52.58 | ToApolytoXaos | guys, is there a way to test if nvidia proprietary driver could affect mouse events? |
| 17:53.01 | jacklk | I have tried around 5 different VPN services. |
| 17:53.46 | jacklk | Is there any packages that really need to be installed in order for it to work? |
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| 18:05.12 | dekiss | any link o good bind documentation? I can't find on their website, on how to setup bind on debian 7 |
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| 18:08.36 | Section58 | dekiss, google that, its everywhere |
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| 18:09.08 | Section58 | it will be the same as debian 6, nothing much changed |
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| 18:10.36 | dekiss | I installed some docs with bind9 with synaptic any idea where those docs are installed? |
| 18:10.56 | Section58 | install locate |
| 18:11.01 | dekiss | Section58, I wanted some stable source of information Didn't wanted to random google on thjis one |
| 18:11.05 | Section58 | updatedb && locate bind <-- |
| 18:11.06 | dekiss | I installed linux few days ago :) |
| 18:11.07 | Section58 | will print it out |
| 18:11.16 | dekiss | I mean for first time linux from few days ago |
| 18:11.19 | Section58 | you will find, as its bind.. |
| 18:11.23 | Section58 | its so common its everywhere |
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| 18:11.40 | Section58 | its like the first thing people learn/do with a server |
| 18:11.48 | dekiss | yeh |
| 18:11.53 | dekiss | so locate whats this |
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| 18:12.01 | Section58 | you will find some good tuts on linux forum/tut sites |
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| 18:12.11 | Section58 | i will see if google pops any good ones out at me |
| 18:12.53 | dekiss | ok thanks Section58 it looks like it is in /usr/share/doc |
| 18:13.07 | dekiss | ill check how toforge |
| 18:13.19 | Pei | puts out a sign that says "Helpdesk open" |
| 18:13.55 | dekiss | this howtoforge website is so nice |
| 18:14.06 | dekiss | is it representative? good? |
| 18:14.15 | master_j | which one? |
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| 18:14.54 | master_j | oh i see it |
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| 18:16.16 | Section58 | howto forge is good |
| 18:16.29 | Section58 | but... they are pro ispconfig |
| 18:16.32 | Section58 | and you probably don't want that |
| 18:16.33 | Section58 | http://comtech247.net/2013/05/27/how-to-set-up-a-dns-server-on-debian-wheezy-7-0/ |
| 18:16.39 | Section58 | that one should take you thu the bits you want |
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| 18:16.46 | Section58 | its pure config |
| 18:17.31 | dekiss | hm |
| 18:17.51 | dekiss | im looking at this http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-run-your-own-dns-servers-primary-and-secondary-with-ispconfig-3-debian-squeeze |
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| 18:18.03 | Section58 | ispconfig is a panel |
| 18:18.12 | Section58 | its not going to show you how to run bind in the way i thought you wanted |
| 18:18.22 | Section58 | it tells you how to install bind, and ispconfig |
| 18:18.24 | dekiss | ah i dont want ispconfig |
| 18:18.27 | dekiss | is this good? :S |
| 18:18.28 | Section58 | then use ispconfig to configure it |
| 18:18.40 | dekiss | no I dont want ispconfig |
| 18:18.45 | Section58 | its free, and it does what it says on the tin |
| 18:18.45 | Section58 | but |
| 18:18.48 | Section58 | see my link i posted |
| 18:18.53 | Section58 | http://comtech247.net/2013/05/27/how-to-set-up-a-dns-server-on-debian-wheezy-7-0/ |
| 18:18.59 | Section58 | that does it old skool |
| 18:19.09 | Section58 | and explains a bit about why things go where they go |
| 18:19.22 | dekiss | thanks Section58 |
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| 18:19.55 | Section58 | i use ispconfig myself... but i already knew how to do it manually |
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| 18:20.02 | jacklk | How do I reinstall a package from the terminal? |
| 18:20.03 | Section58 | that way you can always override changes and hack it yourself |
| 18:20.09 | jacklk | ecj: Invalid operation reinstall |
| 18:20.41 | Section58 | apt-get install --reinstall packagename |
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| 18:20.55 | dekiss | thanks man the link is so nice |
| 18:20.58 | dekiss | is it representative? |
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| 18:21.18 | Section58 | i had a scan tho it dekiss, it should be what you are after yes |
| 18:21.48 | dekiss | thank you Section58 I am always feaering I might read something that is wrong when I read on something I dont understand |
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| 18:22.41 | Section58 | just remember that the world isn't going to end if you do mess it up |
| 18:22.43 | Section58 | you will be fine |
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| 18:22.59 | Section58 | bind isn't one of the harder configs to do |
| 18:23.05 | Section58 | its pretty logical |
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| 18:24.42 | paco | hello everybody. I'm using wheezy and there's a bug in the kernel 3.2 which prevents me to use my pci radio receiver. My question is: when is a newer kernel going to be available in backports? |
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| 18:25.15 | tamahome_ | http://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy/mame |
| 18:25.39 | tamahome_ | I can not find the source codes. someone help me? |
| 18:25.45 | tamahome_ | plis... |
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| 18:27.09 | transfinite | Section58: you can get 3.9 from unstable and 3.10 from experimental, no need to wait for backports |
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| 18:27.22 | jacklk | Anyone know why I cannot connect to a VPN in Debian?: http://pastebin.com/2xk8ybPx |
| 18:27.34 | jelly-home | transfinite: do they work without installing extra dependencies? |
| 18:27.43 | LtL | tamahome_: you need a deb-src line, e.g., deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 18:28.27 | paco | transfinite, isn't 3.4 a better option since it is long-term stable? I thought 3.4 was going to be included in backports soon |
| 18:28.38 | LtL | tamahome_: that goes in your sources.list |
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| 18:28.45 | jelly-home | paco: debian does not ship 3.4 any more |
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| 18:29.01 | transfinite | jelly-home: AFAIK. I was running the experimental 3.8 for a while with a wheezy userland, and didn't have any problems. No issues with dependencies. |
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| 18:29.32 | Ephyra | Oh. Yuck. I'm running NetKit which is apparently based on a Debian Unstable snapshot from 2010 with a patched kernel for UML, and I need to update some of the software in the snapshot. Using apt-get should work fine but it seems to be using libc2.7 right now and can't update to 2.17 because the kernel is too old. Is there anything I can do that doesn't involve re-building a newer kernel :/ ? |
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| 18:29.34 | ichthys | How can I install grub on a partition. ive tried this http://pastie.org/8027235 but it just boots into the grub command line. |
| 18:30.01 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i'm trying to image a windows 8 partition; is there a imaging software other than partimage for this job in wheezy? |
| 18:30.02 | xand | Ephyra: ask in the channel for that distro |
| 18:30.04 | jacklk | Can anyone help? |
| 18:30.09 | paco | so you recommend using 3.8 instead of compiling myself 3.4? |
| 18:30.14 | transfinite | paco: I don't see any 3.4 kernel packages in any suites, so I doubt that's the plan. |
| 18:31.07 | jacklk | Anyone know why I cannot connect to a VPN in Debian?: http://pastebin.com/2xk8ybPx |
| 18:31.43 | transfinite | also, 3.8 is no longer in experimental (it was when I wanted to try something newer than 3.2). I reverted to 3.2 because I didn't have any real need for any of its features. |
| 18:31.48 | tamahome_ | LtL, thanks! |
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| 18:32.19 | jelly-home | jacklk: are all of these pptp based? |
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| 18:32.31 | Section58 | doesn't seem like they are |
| 18:32.40 | jacklk | jelly-home: yes |
| 18:32.42 | Section58 | i saw an openvpn config flag in there |
| 18:32.43 | jelly-home | jacklk: have you tried openvpn? |
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| 18:32.54 | jacklk | jelly-home: no |
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| 18:33.09 | jacklk | I don't know any free OpenVPN servers, they don't seem to exist. |
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| 18:33.26 | jelly-home | free? |
| 18:33.28 | Section58 | free vpn's don't exsist |
| 18:33.35 | Section58 | bandwidth costs money |
| 18:33.38 | paco | transfinite, jelly-home tell me so, it's better to compile my own 3.4 or to use experimental's or unstable's? which one? I just need to try a newer kernel, because they broke something in 3.2, in 2.6 with squeezy it was working fine |
| 18:33.55 | jacklk | Section58: yes they do |
| 18:34.02 | jacklk | Google "free uk vpn" |
| 18:34.05 | jacklk | tons of them |
| 18:34.11 | Section58 | sorry, i ment free and stable |
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| 18:34.25 | Section58 | wow, someone told me to google something |
| 18:34.28 | Section58 | i like this guy |
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| 18:34.54 | jacklk | they are stable enough |
| 18:35.06 | jacklk | anyway, I need to use PPTP |
| 18:35.15 | jacklk | Anything I could do? |
| 18:35.24 | jacklk | no PPTP VPN is working :P |
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| 18:35.54 | jelly-home | jacklk: enable ppp and pptp debugging and inspect that instead of network-manager layer |
| 18:35.58 | Section58 | 'No illegal activities allowed with the service' |
| 18:36.05 | Section58 | i knew there was a downside lol |
| 18:36.08 | transfinite | paco: I recommend just trying the already-built version, probably 3.9 from unstable, since the Debian kernel team does an excellent job of configuring and patching it, and it will be far quicker to just download. |
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| 18:36.19 | jacklk | jelly-home: How? |
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| 18:36.59 | transfinite | jelly-home: "squeezy" ftw :-) |
| 18:37.37 | Section58 | jacklk, google for 'ppp debugging debian' |
| 18:37.39 | jelly-home | jacklk: I have no idea about network-manager and where it stores configuration, you'll have to figure it out yourself |
| 18:37.41 | Section58 | sorry i had too |
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| 18:37.53 | jacklk | Section58: Were you on Esper last night? I swear I heard that username... |
| 18:38.01 | jacklk | Section58: lol, I knew you'd do that xD |
| 18:38.12 | Section58 | top link will take you to the gold jack |
| 18:38.23 | Section58 | ppptd debugging options etc etc |
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| 18:38.46 | jelly-home | jacklk: the one time I set up a pptp client recently it was done with kvpnc and manual editing of configuration under /etc/ppp/peers |
| 18:39.01 | jacklk | Section58: top link it totally irrelevant |
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| 18:39.24 | Section58 | http://poptop.sourceforge.net/dox/debian-howto.phtml |
| 18:39.26 | Section58 | thats the top link i had |
| 18:39.29 | jelly-home | Section58: if you meant pptpd, that is for a server, not a client |
| 18:39.32 | Section58 | its quite relivant |
| 18:39.55 | jacklk | Section58: yeah, it has nothing about debugging |
| 18:40.01 | jacklk | just how to setup a VPN |
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| 18:40.22 | jelly-home | Section58: and docs about "sarge" are rather outdated and should be used carefully |
| 18:40.40 | Section58 | To diagnose faults, enable the options debug dump in .... |
| 18:40.46 | Section58 | ok fair enough maybe it was about the server |
| 18:40.59 | jacklk | okay, I give up, I'll just use a proxy |
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| 18:41.28 | jelly-home | what does one use a free vpn for, anyway |
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| 18:41.45 | Section58 | anon stuff maybe ... |
| 18:41.49 | Section58 | porn on the office network ... |
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| 18:42.08 | Section58 | i wouldn't trust it if i'm not running the other end |
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| 18:42.11 | Section58 | best of luck |
| 18:42.23 | jacklk | jelly-home: For what a VPN is normally used for? |
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| 18:42.44 | Section58 | i use a vpn to connect my servers together |
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| 18:42.59 | Section58 | and thats not what you want it for, so i don't know |
| 18:43.16 | paco | thank you transfinite, I'll try 3.9 from unstable then |
| 18:43.20 | Section58 | if i wanted to browse the internet anonmously, i would hack my neighbours internet |
| 18:44.08 | Section58 | but i don't think everyone thinks like me, a free vpn would give you another ip... but they still see all the stuff you are hiding, it will also be contended |
| 18:44.22 | Pei | HI!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:44.35 | jelly-home | jacklk: connecting different locations into a single network |
| 18:44.38 | jacklk | Why does it matter if it is free? |
| 18:44.44 | jacklk | it's still a VPN |
| 18:44.47 | Section58 | cause free normally means crap |
| 18:44.49 | jacklk | and is still usable |
| 18:44.56 | Section58 | if it works, then awesome! |
| 18:44.59 | jacklk | it does... but it doesn't have to mean that |
| 18:45.01 | jacklk | yes |
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| 18:46.07 | Section58 | and there probably isn't a free openvpn service cause people can't be bothered setting up the client configs and certs |
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| 18:46.20 | Section58 | probably quite a few paid out there |
| 18:47.17 | jacklk | anyway, all I need is a proxy |
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| 18:47.20 | jacklk | which I now have |
| 18:47.52 | jacklk | now noone can spy on me |
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| 18:48.12 | jelly-home | except the proxy provider |
| 18:48.32 | Section58 | jack, googles says its all int the syslog |
| 18:48.41 | Section58 | apart from the provider ... |
| 18:49.41 | jacklk | apart from 1 person |
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| 18:49.54 | jacklk | compared to... hundreds of sites I visit monthly |
| 18:49.59 | Section58 | apart from x peopel that have access to the logs they give out |
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| 18:50.22 | jacklk | but my internet provider is slow, so I have disable proxy when I'm watching a video for example |
| 18:50.55 | Section58 | the proxy will be slower |
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| 18:51.03 | jacklk | I know |
| 18:51.05 | Section58 | best of luck jacl, don't get arrested |
| 18:51.05 | jacklk | but it works |
| 18:51.13 | Taiiwo_ | Hello. |
| 18:51.14 | jacklk | Section58: Why would I get arrested? |
| 18:51.18 | Section58 | :D |
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| 18:51.35 | jacklk | Section58: also, were you in #lobby in Esper last night? |
| 18:51.46 | jacklk | I can't remember if it was you I was talking to |
| 18:51.56 | Section58 | i wasn't talking to people in the lobby |
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| 18:52.00 | Section58 | i don't reconise the network |
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| 18:52.15 | Section58 | but if it has opensource channels in there, i might have netsplitted and been kicked out |
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| 18:52.41 | Taiiwo_ | I heard online that the grub installer in the wheezy installer is broken, is this true? |
| 18:52.43 | jacklk | okay |
| 18:52.57 | Section58 | Taiiwo_, my server still boots, so no |
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| 18:53.19 | jacklk | Taiiwo_: well, my GRUB is messed up |
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| 18:53.36 | jenia | hello. how do i merge the title bar and the menu bar |
| 18:53.38 | jacklk | idk if it is normal, but when my desktop starts it flashes, goes black, then displays the GRUB menu properly |
| 18:53.39 | Taiiwo_ | I mean, upon running the installer from the live usb. |
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| 18:54.20 | Taiiwo_ | I get 'The grub-pc package failed to install...' |
| 18:54.35 | Taiiwo_ | '... into /target/...' |
| 18:54.56 | Taiiwo_ | Lilo doesn't work either. |
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| 18:56.06 | Taiiwo_ | Guides to install grub manually run into errors too. |
| 18:56.39 | Taiiwo_ | Could someone help? |
| 18:56.49 | Section58 | jacklk, if you change your mind about that proxy. http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-debian.phtml that will do it with the ppp provider |
| 18:57.01 | Section58 | it just did it with bestvpn, and it works |
| 18:57.32 | Taiiwo_ | Did what? |
| 18:57.35 | Section58 | i'm now vpn'in from the uk, to france then back to the uk. awesome!!! |
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| 18:58.33 | Section58 | Taiiwo_, something like dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc |
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| 18:58.50 | Section58 | don't install it in a partition |
| 18:59.15 | jenia | is want to add this repository to my repo list: http://packages.debian.org/sid/compiz-core |
| 18:59.20 | jenia | how do i proceed? |
| 18:59.37 | Taiiwo_ | So I'm booted into the live usb, and the installer is giving me errors. How do I check what's wrong? |
| 19:00.03 | Taiiwo_ | Sorry, my client didn't update^ |
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| 19:00.39 | Section58 | it would be more helpful if you tell the channel what errors you were getting Taiiwo_ |
| 19:00.49 | Taiiwo_ | You using apt I guess? |
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| 19:01.15 | elkng | is there program for linux, that can solve simple math ? preferrable console one, not like those fancy mathlab or somthing, and that is able to solve simple equations like: "108+y=4(24+y)" ? can "bc" do this ? |
| 19:01.29 | elkng | s/somthing/something |
| 19:01.36 | Taiiwo_ | I did. The only output I get from the installer is 'The grub-pc package failed to install into /target/ |
| 19:02.04 | judgen | shot q: Builing twin (the ncurses window manager) Is the prefered way still squeeze? I have made scripts for wheezy, but some might be dirty. Where do i post them= |
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| 19:02.06 | judgen | ? |
| 19:02.23 | Section58 | elkng, probably |
| 19:02.49 | Section58 | Taiiwo_, the '/target/' is probably wrong |
| 19:03.27 | Section58 | go to the menu option just before it and try again, this time don't put it in a partition |
| 19:03.31 | Taiiwo_ | dpkg-reconfigure gives 'command not found'. |
| 19:03.58 | Section58 | as you are on the live usb, its not going to work, cause its not installed.. and not on the working root anyway |
| 19:04.48 | Section58 | i have never used the live usb to install debian.. but if its like the normal way it lets you have enough go at it |
| 19:04.49 | Taiiwo_ | I've tried multiple times using different settings. I am selecting the MBR, but I have tried just the debian partition. |
| 19:05.05 | Section58 | the partition isn't the place for it |
| 19:05.09 | judgen | !help |
| 19:05.13 | judgen | damn |
| 19:05.16 | Section58 | you should be picking the 'root drive' area |
| 19:05.21 | Section58 | the harddrive part |
| 19:05.36 | Section58 | before the partitions (assuming its a tree menu) |
| 19:05.43 | Taiiwo_ | That sounds right. |
| 19:06.37 | Taiiwo_ | Can I run you through the installation process in PM? |
| 19:06.40 | thomaschaaf | okay I have an interesting problem. I have 2 computers. Both have a public ip. On one of the computers the openvpn server(a) is installed on the other the client(b). I have the same file on both computers in /opt/file. now these are the connection speeds I am getting: http://pastie.org/8027342 now the most interessting part is that wan speeds are slower sometimes than the one over the vpn.. why could that be? |
| 19:06.51 | Section58 | use here Taiiwo_ cause i am just guessing |
| 19:06.56 | Section58 | and probably wrong |
| 19:07.04 | Taiiwo_ | Okay. |
| 19:07.08 | Section58 | if you see a tree diagram ... you want to be putting it on the trunk |
| 19:07.11 | Section58 | and not the branches |
| 19:07.13 | Section58 | if that makes sence |
| 19:07.38 | Section58 | if i could see your screen i could point.. but i can't.. thats why irc sucks :) |
| 19:07.41 | Taiiwo_ | I had to exit the installer to try dpkg-reconfigure, so I'm just going through the installer again. |
| 19:07.56 | Section58 | yeah dpkg-reconfigure will not work for you in this case |
| 19:07.59 | PerfDave | thomaschaaf: Could be many things - filesystem caching or compression on the link would be the two obvious guesses |
| 19:08.05 | Section58 | cause your are running the usb base systemm |
| 19:08.19 | Section58 | that command only works if you are already inside your working installed debian |
| 19:08.38 | Section58 | not only is the command not installed.. but it wouldn't configure the right grub |
| 19:08.41 | Section58 | so ignore that plan |
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| 19:08.50 | Taiiwo_ | I'm scanning the disks. |
| 19:09.08 | Taiiwo_ | It's done, I guess I press manual. |
| 19:09.17 | Section58 | probably |
| 19:09.27 | Section58 | if it shows you a tree, then we just won |
| 19:09.33 | Taiiwo_ | I can see Guided - use entire disk |
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| 19:09.43 | Section58 | if you don't have anything else on there |
| 19:09.45 | Section58 | like windows |
| 19:09.49 | Taiiwo_ | Guided - use entire dist and set up LVM |
| 19:09.49 | Section58 | or stuff you want to keep |
| 19:09.53 | Section58 | guided is the way forward |
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| 19:10.06 | Section58 | it will erase everything and start a fresh for you |
| 19:10.27 | Section58 | just go for standard imo |
| 19:10.30 | Taiiwo_ | Guided - (essentially, the above, with encryption) |
| 19:10.36 | Taiiwo_ | Or manual. |
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| 19:10.44 | Section58 | Guided, first option |
| 19:10.46 | Taiiwo_ | I have windows, and want to dual boot. |
| 19:10.50 | Section58 | o... erm |
| 19:11.08 | Section58 | guided is still cool... |
| 19:11.09 | falconlinden | Hey folks. I'm sure this is the wrong channel to ask, but if anyone can help or redirect me that would be awesome. I'm trying to get information on reliably detecting keystrokes on linux in C in raw/uncooked mode. |
| 19:11.17 | Section58 | but be careful when you select the partition you want to use |
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| 19:11.30 | Section58 | you might also have to resize your current windows parition to allow this to happen |
| 19:11.41 | Taiiwo_ | The first option says use entire disk. |
| 19:11.47 | Section58 | don't do that |
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| 19:11.59 | Section58 | find the part that says resize partitino |
| 19:12.09 | Taiiwo_ | I have done this. I have 20GB unallocated |
| 19:12.13 | PerfDave | falconlinden: Writing a keylogger? :) |
| 19:12.23 | Section58 | select that 20gb, and install it there |
| 19:12.41 | falconlinden | PerfDave: just a realtime console app that's not supposed to have any unnecessary external dependencies :) |
| 19:12.49 | Taiiwo_ | Okay, for that, I think I have to press manual. |
| 19:12.50 | Section58 | (you probably want more than 20gb tho) |
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| 19:13.14 | Section58 | it should give you the option to install into an unallocated partition |
| 19:13.47 | Section58 | as it allowed you to change it in the first place |
| 19:13.57 | falconlinden | PerfDave: honestly, if I were writing a key logger, it would be easier. I could just dump the raw input from getchar. But I need to reliably distinguish between, for example, F1 and a sequence of keystrokes beginning with ^[ |
| 19:14.01 | Taiiwo_ | I'm using and ssd for install, then my data is going a a 1tb hdd |
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| 19:14.30 | Section58 | you want a manual setup then |
| 19:14.41 | Section58 | and this is out of the scope of this tutoiral |
| 19:15.31 | Taiiwo_ | So on my SSD, I have a 100gb windows partition, a 20gb ext4 partition, and 800mb swap partition |
| 19:16.04 | Section58 | you made it too hard to guide you thu cause you still want windows on it |
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| 19:16.13 | Section58 | and thats your choice ofc |
| 19:16.24 | Taiiwo_ | So I need to use the 20gb partition.. |
| 19:16.29 | Section58 | but as you want to then split it again with /home on another drive |
| 19:16.35 | Section58 | then it should be a manual |
| 19:16.53 | Section58 | you should delete the swap |
| 19:17.03 | Section58 | merge it to your 20gb area |
| 19:17.18 | Section58 | create a partation, and install debian in there |
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| 19:17.23 | Taiiwo_ | I think you are confused. I can install debian to the disk fine. In fact, debian is already installed on my SSD. Grub, however, is not. |
| 19:17.29 | Section58 | then later on set up your extra drive for /home |
| 19:17.43 | Section58 | if its not going to boot |
| 19:17.51 | Section58 | then you are not going to get anywhere |
| 19:18.10 | Section58 | you have 2 options |
| 19:18.16 | Section58 | you can redo it all |
| 19:18.43 | Section58 | or.. mount your drive, chroot |
| 19:18.49 | Section58 | then run grub fixing commands |
| 19:19.07 | Taiiwo_ | Option 2 is what I have been trying. |
| 19:19.18 | elkng | Section58: "probably", probably alients do exist, and probably we will be able to travel back and forth in time ? |
| 19:19.28 | elkng | s/alients/aliens |
| 19:19.38 | Taiiwo_ | And it seems like the best way to go. Basically, I have a broken grub install on my SSD, and that needs fixing. |
| 19:19.38 | elkng | pun intended |
| 19:20.03 | Section58 | Taiiwo_, google for chroot and grub |
| 19:20.13 | Section58 | you should find a forum, with exactly what you need |
| 19:20.24 | Section58 | its the normally requirment to fix it in the way you are doing |
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| 19:20.51 | Section58 | mounting your drive onto the running filesystem, changing the system root to the mounted drive, then running grub fixing commands |
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| 19:21.28 | Section58 | to fix grub on a drive, you have to be using that drive |
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| 19:21.33 | Section58 | to do this, you need to chroot |
| 19:21.36 | Taiiwo_ | I have followed a few 'grub fix' guides. their seems to be a problem with stage1 |
| 19:22.31 | Taiiwo_ | It usually says stage1: not read |
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| 19:24.29 | Section58 | Taiiwo_, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1581099 |
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| 19:24.32 | Section58 | read the chroot part |
| 19:24.58 | Section58 | its what you need to be doing |
| 19:25.01 | Taiiwo_ | Haha, I was just reading that same thread. |
| 19:25.06 | dekiss | when someone puts something online if there is no link to it can I still find it, for example if someone has domain.com and decide to put file file.txt in domain.com/test/file.txt if there is no link to that file from anywhere can I still find it and open or downlaod it? With lets say some sort of scanning of the domain name domain.com? |
| 19:25.34 | Section58 | not really |
| 19:25.50 | Section58 | unless it was in a common place where people would look |
| 19:25.54 | Section58 | like /files/ |
| 19:26.12 | Section58 | your webserver would need to not show directory stucture |
| 19:26.13 | dekiss | Section58, so if there is no link ot it I can't discover it with some sort of scanner scanning domain name domain.com ? |
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| 19:26.24 | Section58 | but you should use htaccess to password it if you are that scared |
| 19:26.25 | dekiss | just to calrify I am not hacker I am asking to protect myself :D |
| 19:26.27 | dekiss | hehe |
| 19:26.49 | Section58 | if the url is unknown then yeah its pretty safe |
| 19:26.59 | Ziarkaen | I have a modified *.deb file of an already-installed package. I want to test the *.deb without touching my current working install. How can I do this? |
| 19:27.02 | dekiss | I can't discover all urls that domain.com have? |
| 19:27.05 | dekiss | all folders |
| 19:27.10 | Section58 | but it doesn't mean some chinaman can't guess it |
| 19:27.15 | dekiss | ahahah |
| 19:27.27 | Section58 | if you want it to be secure but still availible to yourself, i would password it up with htaccess |
| 19:27.27 | dekiss | but that can't be discovered with some sort of scanner? |
| 19:27.35 | Ziarkaen | I have tried "dpkg --root test_root -i *.deb", but it requires superuser privileges, so I don't continue. |
| 19:27.49 | dekiss | I want to have idea on what is visible on the net |
| 19:28.11 | Section58 | if the directory doesn't show it |
| 19:28.17 | dekiss | hm |
| 19:28.18 | Section58 | then its hidden |
| 19:28.23 | Section58 | but if its already in google |
| 19:28.27 | Section58 | then its over |
| 19:28.29 | dekiss | you know google is finding some scary stuff ^ |
| 19:28.56 | dekiss | so gogole find .pdf document that are in domain.com/docs/aa.pdf if I try to acess domain.com/docs its forbiden |
| 19:28.57 | Section58 | google will scan all directoreys and paths it thinks are worth it |
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| 19:29.00 | dekiss | but file I can download |
| 19:29.06 | dekiss | I think its bad setup of the server |
| 19:29.15 | dekiss | but still im not sure how google accesses that file? |
| 19:29.18 | Section58 | it will follow js |
| 19:29.19 | dekiss | to store it |
| 19:29.22 | dekiss | its address |
| 19:29.40 | Section58 | if the pdf is private |
| 19:29.57 | dekiss | what is js "<Section58> it will follow js" |
| 19:29.58 | Section58 | i would use a authentcated site to allow access to a non document root location |
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| 19:30.11 | Section58 | its a file type google will read |
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| 19:30.23 | Section58 | and execute |
| 19:30.34 | Taiiwo_ | sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sdc |
| 19:30.52 | dekiss | i sitll am confused if tehre wasn't link to the file how google discovered it |
| 19:31.02 | Taiiwo_ | This gives The file /mnt/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
| 19:31.04 | dekiss | and if I can't see contents of domain.com/docs/ |
| 19:31.34 | Section58 | i guess you would have to ask googlebot personally |
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| 19:31.46 | Section58 | maybe .. it cause you use chrome |
| 19:31.52 | Section58 | and google tracked it that way |
| 19:31.55 | dekiss | :) |
| 19:31.56 | Section58 | who knows |
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| 19:32.13 | dekiss | thanks Section58 |
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| 19:32.25 | Section58 | i knnow i just updated to the latest chrome, and it was telling me my history from 6 months ago from another computer |
| 19:32.30 | Section58 | that was scarey |
| 19:32.53 | Taiiwo_ | Google's usin' dirbuster. |
| 19:33.00 | Section58 | haha |
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| 19:40.47 | Section58 | dekiss, btw, reemmber to use robots.txt to stop it from being indexed, google are normally cool with that |
| 19:41.30 | Section58 | i hacked the site of one of my competitiors, and changed thier robots.txt... their whole site dropped off google 4 days later |
| 19:41.43 | dekiss | Section58, yeah I know |
| 19:41.46 | Section58 | worth a try |
| 19:41.50 | dekiss | I am wondering how effective are meta tags |
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| 19:42.02 | Section58 | in what reppect ? |
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| 19:42.06 | dekiss | hahaha |
| 19:42.11 | dekiss | html |
| 19:42.18 | Section58 | yeah i know in html |
| 19:42.19 | dekiss | meta tags in html |
| 19:42.23 | Section58 | but they are used for lots of things |
| 19:42.25 | dekiss | robots atribute and googlebot |
| 19:42.33 | Section58 | google bot still reads it |
| 19:42.34 | dekiss | index follow archive noarchive |
| 19:42.35 | dekiss | etc |
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| 19:42.46 | Section58 | yes, follow, nofollow noindex etc |
| 19:42.51 | dekiss | nice |
| 19:42.54 | Section58 | it does repect these meta wishes |
| 19:43.02 | dekiss | man this confuses me |
| 19:43.03 | dekiss | :S |
| 19:43.16 | Section58 | i use noindex,follow on my page-34 index pages etc |
| 19:43.21 | dekiss | so you say there is no way for me to find file domain.com/docs/aa.txt if there is no link to it ? |
| 19:43.37 | Section58 | i would say... highly unlikely |
| 19:43.42 | dekiss | hm |
| 19:43.43 | Section58 | but not impossible |
| 19:43.47 | dekiss | how can I do this? |
| 19:43.55 | Section58 | if you want to keep it secret, password it up |
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| 19:43.59 | Section58 | or remove it from the internet |
| 19:44.12 | Section58 | the safest server is a server not connected to a network |
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| 19:44.30 | Section58 | using google drive to store it might be a better way |
| 19:44.36 | Section58 | shareing it to the people to wanted to share it with |
| 19:45.35 | Section58 | if its a website creating this document.. then there are ways to store it away from the webserver readable space using php (for example) to aquire it when password = yes |
| 19:45.40 | Section58 | there are lots of ways |
| 19:46.01 | Section58 | if you are really that worried, don't put it on the internet without putting a password infront of it |
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| 19:49.14 | dekiss | Section58, ye |
| 19:49.20 | dekiss | I am more curious than worried |
| 19:49.48 | Section58 | curiosity killed the cat |
| 19:50.15 | Section58 | basicly... yeah it is sort of safe ... but not really |
| 19:50.16 | dekiss | ^ |
| 19:50.31 | Section58 | its like burying your life savings into the ground in some random field |
| 19:50.32 | dekiss | I know but I want to know if someone can downlaod or no |
| 19:50.35 | dekiss | and if yes how |
| 19:50.41 | Section58 | there still is a chance someone could find it |
| 19:50.44 | PerfDave | Uhm, don't use a PHP script, use Apache's built-in access control :) |
| 19:50.45 | dekiss | but if they guess the url then they can download right? |
| 19:50.47 | Section58 | even tho its hihgly unlikely |
| 19:51.11 | Section58 | if they know the url, then yes |
| 19:51.16 | dekiss | hm |
| 19:51.23 | dekiss | so googlebot is hacker! |
| 19:51.25 | Section58 | like Dave says tho, htacess passwd thingy will stop that from happening |
| 19:51.27 | dekiss | omg ^^ |
| 19:51.31 | dekiss | hahah :D |
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| 19:51.46 | Section58 | well erm.. its intelitgent... |
| 19:51.50 | AndChat683156 | Hey guys, I'm a crunchbang user and am thinking of migrating over to Debian with a minimal install. I am unsure though whether to go with testing or sid. What is your recommendation #debian? |
| 19:51.55 | Section58 | like, it will reilise that you are using wordpress for example |
| 19:51.57 | jacks4899 | sid |
| 19:51.58 | Section58 | and it knows the stucture |
| 19:52.02 | dekiss | but really how he found files.. hmm there must be link to the files I guess but I personally have found secret files in the company where my father works |
| 19:52.06 | jacks4899 | i use it |
| 19:52.07 | dekiss | on google |
| 19:52.07 | Section58 | so it will just guess and sometimes gets it right |
| 19:52.15 | dekiss | there were not links to the files still google gived them |
| 19:52.35 | Section58 | something somewhere told google the location |
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| 19:52.45 | PerfDave | AndChat683156: If it's your first time on Debian, go for stable. I wouldn't mess with testing or unstable until you have a good idea how packaging works and how to fix breakages. |
| 19:53.08 | dekiss | Section58, yes I think googlebot is inteligent it realise someone is using some app for making websites etc and follow well known links |
| 19:53.18 | Section58 | indeed |
| 19:53.19 | PerfDave | dekiss: If somebody went to the URL with Google toolbar in their browser, if it got sent in a Google Talk message, if it got e-mailed through GMail... it might have been added to the Google index |
| 19:53.24 | dekiss | thank you people for help thanks Section58 :) |
| 19:53.34 | dekiss | so |
| 19:53.39 | Section58 | PerfDave, yeah, i don't like that if thats true |
| 19:53.46 | dekiss | this means someone can make url bruteforcer |
| 19:53.47 | Section58 | its too data hungry |
| 19:53.50 | PerfDave | Section58: Read your terms of service :) |
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| 19:53.57 | Section58 | also.. to search your emails, it needs to read them first |
| 19:54.03 | dekiss | hm and he can try all combinations of cahracters |
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| 19:54.08 | dekiss | this is possible |
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| 19:54.30 | Section58 | like i said dekiss, its not impossible to get it |
| 19:54.34 | Section58 | it would be hard |
| 19:54.36 | PerfDave | Section58: If you or the person you're emailing uses Gmail... |
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| 19:54.38 | Section58 | but not impossible |
| 19:54.45 | AndChat683156 | I do know a bit about Debian overall. I feel like with testing I might miss out on exciting developments over the next couple of years while I'm using it. |
| 19:54.47 | Section58 | Dave :P |
| 19:55.07 | PerfDave | AndChat683156: Why do you feel that? |
| 19:55.11 | Section58 | AndChat683156, you can always upgrade as you go |
| 19:56.00 | jacks4899 | AndChat683156: I've been using sid for multiple months now, and I haven't experienced any problems |
| 19:56.39 | dekiss | is it true google saving things from google talk and gmail? |
| 19:56.42 | dekiss | that would be super bad |
| 19:57.08 | jacks4899 | Isn't that what PRISM is doing? |
| 19:57.16 | PerfDave | still reckons we should have a few more libc breakages in sid ;) |
| 19:58.03 | AndChat683156 | For example iceweasel is really old in stable. I've heard about Debian getting systemd. |
| 19:58.06 | PerfDave | dekiss: Google looks for URLs in Gmail and Google Talk to improve the Google Search Index. That's pretty well known. If you use those services you've given them permission to do that. |
| 19:58.20 | PerfDave | AndChat683156: Why do you feel that you'd have that problem with testing? |
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| 19:58.33 | dekiss | thanks for valuable information people |
| 19:58.53 | TheGrey | o/ |
| 19:58.57 | jacks4899 | dekiss: I thought that is what PRISM did though, like log peoples crap |
| 19:58.59 | dekiss | haha I am sure most people don't know this |
| 19:59.10 | AndChat683156 | I'm not sure whether to go with testing Or sid. |
| 19:59.12 | dekiss | and this is how secret docuemnts get exposed :D |
| 19:59.41 | TheGrey | o/ My wifi keeps dropping. I have a Atheros chipset. But when it goes off I get r8168: eth0: link down. Should i blacklist this mod? |
| 19:59.45 | dekiss | I was woindering how some file can be exposed |
| 19:59.50 | dekiss | when theres no link oto it |
| 19:59.51 | AndChat683156 | It seems like stable isn't for me. |
| 20:00.00 | PerfDave | AndChat683156: Like I say, go for stable, get a better understanding of how Debian works, then upgrade to testing or unstable later if you like. |
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| 20:01.17 | PerfDave | dekiss: Remember, security through obscurity is no security :) |
| 20:01.29 | AndChat683156 | Ok, thanks for the help! |
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| 20:02.55 | moof2 | how wouild I boot a netinstall image from grub? |
| 20:03.25 | jacks4899 | Sometimes I wish the normal Firefox would come back to Debian |
| 20:03.26 | dekiss | omg I can't believe what I found with google haha ooomg |
| 20:04.12 | PerfDave | jacks4899: Mozilla's trademark policy makes that impossible. What's wrong with iceweasel? |
| 20:04.16 | AndChat683156 | It the only drawback I see with Debian is Firefox |
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| 20:04.53 | AndChat683156 | But I'm just a bystander |
| 20:05.01 | PerfDave | AndChat683156: What drawback is that? |
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| 20:06.47 | AndChat683156 | It seems to be less up to date. But I don't know per se exactly, it's just impressions |
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| 20:09.30 | benedikt | Html5 video (youtube) doesn't play sound on wheezy, using a dac. |
| 20:09.44 | dekiss | I have idea that in the root servers lie CIA chip to control the world ^^ :D |
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| 20:11.41 | dekiss | look this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_denial_of_service_attacks_on_root_nameservers |
| 20:12.12 | benedikt | dekiss: there are plenty of root dns servers that are not within us "juristiction" |
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| 20:12.53 | WilliamDotSI | uh |
| 20:12.56 | WilliamDotSI | the root NS are anycast |
| 20:13.04 | WilliamDotSI | and controleld by Verisign |
| 20:13.10 | WilliamDotSI | (which is a US company) |
| 20:13.12 | dekiss | 2 |
| 20:13.16 | dekiss | verisigin control 2 |
| 20:13.25 | dekiss | icann have jurisdiction on them |
| 20:13.31 | WilliamDotSI | yes, no one else has more IIRC |
| 20:13.35 | benedikt | WilliamDotSI: no, they may control the US ones but there are more, that are not owned or controlled by us parties |
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| 20:13.43 | WilliamDotSI | besides, verisign also gives anycast for the others |
| 20:13.45 | dekiss | and us department of commerce have jurisdiction over icann according root nameservers |
| 20:13.49 | WilliamDotSI | and so do RIPE, APNIC, ARIn and other companies |
| 20:14.23 | WilliamDotSI | ICANN should be controlled by the UN |
| 20:14.32 | benedikt | WilliamDotSI: +1 |
| 20:14.44 | dekiss | so USA control Internet |
| 20:14.56 | dekiss | Obama is our god |
| 20:15.01 | dekiss | prays be to him |
| 20:15.06 | ompaul | there is no god |
| 20:15.10 | jelly-home | -> #debian-offtopic please |
| 20:15.11 | Vicissitude | only zuul? |
| 20:15.15 | ompaul | woops |
| 20:15.19 | dekiss | Ooobama |
| 20:15.43 | ompaul | dekiss: shoot over to #debian-offtopic for not debian questions |
| 20:15.45 | moof2 | he invented the internet, you know... |
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| 20:16.48 | dekiss | Operation Global Blackout 2012 what happened back then? |
| 20:16.57 | dekiss | attack succeeded ? |
| 20:17.06 | dekiss | ok sorry |
| 20:17.11 | dekiss | ompaul, ok sry |
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| 20:19.17 | moof2 | how wouild I boot a netinstall image from grub? |
| 20:19.20 | elkng | what is "Operation Global Blackout" ? |
| 20:19.49 | BlackoutIsHere | lol |
| 20:19.53 | moof2 | googlable, Now, back to me! |
| 20:19.55 | BlackoutIsHere | why must you all ping me |
| 20:20.27 | PerfDave | AndChat683156: Iceweasel is built from the same sources as Firefox, often on the same day as a new FF release |
| 20:20.48 | elkng | BlackoutIsHere: ping |
| 20:21.06 | BlackoutIsHere | WHY |
| 20:21.08 | BlackoutIsHere | lol |
| 20:21.15 | BlackoutIsHere | PS: Blackout pings me |
| 20:21.17 | BlackoutIsHere | lol |
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| 20:22.51 | jelly-home | fix your highlight then, BlackoutIsHere |
| 20:23.03 | BlackoutIsHere | "fix" |
| 20:23.07 | BlackoutIsHere | it isn't broken :P |
| 20:23.24 | jelly-home | sure it is if a mere blackout does it |
| 20:23.39 | guest889 | PerfDave: oh, I did not know that. I'm the same person btw. |
| 20:23.41 | BlackoutIsHere | people just tend to not constantly repeat that word |
| 20:24.01 | BlackoutIsHere | usually they are talking to me so I have it as a ping :P |
| 20:24.07 | PerfDave | queues up Blackout Crew on his MP3 player |
| 20:24.16 | benedikt | Html5 video (youtube) doesn't play sound on wheezy, using a dac. I've tried everything I can think of and need some help troubleshooting. Using wheeze and latest firefox nightly (gotten in binary form from the firefox webiste). Flash not installed. I use a USB DAC to output sound. Everything else plays sounds. |
| 20:24.42 | BlackoutIsHere | why are you on nightlies? |
| 20:24.51 | BlackoutIsHere | Doesn't that mean a lot can be broken |
| 20:25.03 | PerfDave | It's not as good as Britney Spears' album Blackout |
| 20:25.23 | jelly-home | benedikt: do you use pulseaudio, and is the device visible in there? |
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| 20:25.31 | BlackoutIsHere | grabs RPG |
| 20:25.51 | jelly-home | benedikt: (in pavucontrol output devices and configuration tabs) |
| 20:26.14 | benedikt | jelly-home: I installed pulseaudio, didn't changed anything. I have since uninstalled it. Every other application shows up in pavucontrol and are controllable. Just nothing played with firefox. |
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| 20:26.40 | jelly-home | so it's firefox, then |
| 20:27.03 | jelly-home | "contact your vendor" |
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| 20:28.59 | benedikt | they weren't very helpful last time. but thanks |
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| 20:30.05 | jelly-home | you can try html5 with a different browser (chromium or even chrome) |
| 20:30.14 | moof2 | benedikt, what's your ow and version? did sound ever work with that os and the sound devices you have? which are? |
| 20:30.45 | jelly-home | moof2: "Every other application shows up in pavucontrol and are controllable." implies they work |
| 20:31.35 | moof2 | what's the pavucontrol? |
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| 20:32.00 | moof2 | and also... |
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| 20:33.16 | moof2 | I downloaded a wheezy amd64 netinstall image to its file on the filesystem of a primary partition... how wouild I boot that image from grub? |
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| 20:34.12 | jelly-home | moof2: pretty much the main tool to configure pulseaudio inputs and outputs |
| 20:34.40 | jelly-home | you probably should be very careful answering audio related questions if you don't know about it |
| 20:34.41 | moof2 | I tried chainloader /debian...netinstall...iso +1 |
| 20:34.49 | david-e_ | I've installed wheezy on my macbook and keyboard does not work. I disconnect/reconnect the usb mouse and it starts working again. Here's dmesg http://pastebin.com/kzHRJWwU |
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| 20:35.48 | tidux | what's the status of Debian on the ODROID-X2 platform? |
| 20:35.52 | moof2 | david-e_, when it starts working, how long does that last? until reboot? |
| 20:36.29 | david-e_ | moof2: yes, when it works it just does work |
| 20:36.31 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell tidux about arm |
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| 20:37.14 | moof2 | jelly-home, what's the status of pulse in wheezy? |
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| 20:37.16 | tidux | I meant specifically how armhf is doing on driver support for the ODROID platforms |
| 20:37.19 | jacklk | Any clones of this channel? |
| 20:37.32 | tidux | I know what Debian armel and armhf are |
| 20:37.35 | tidux | Hostname: plug - OS: Linux 3.2.0-4-kirkwood/armv5tel - CPU: Feroceon 88FR131 rev 1 (v5l) - Processes: 76 - Uptime: 35d 17h 24m - Load Average: 0.01 - Memory Usage: 87.90MB/503.05MB (17.47%) - Disk Usage: 7.52GB/14.58GB (51.54%) |
| 20:37.41 | jelly-home | moof2: gnome uses it by default |
| 20:37.59 | david-e_ | moof2: never happened with lenny or squeeze on the very same machine |
| 20:38.10 | moof2 | and not debian itself? |
| 20:38.19 | jelly-home | tidux: the arm specific channel might have more ideas. |
| 20:38.39 | jelly-home | moof2: debian uses gnome as a desktop environment by default. |
| 20:38.42 | tidux | alright |
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| 20:39.20 | benedikt | moof2: ow? |
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| 20:39.29 | jelly-home | moof2: do you have any issues with it? |
| 20:39.40 | moof2 | jelly-home, cool... that does say something about the status; thanks |
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| 20:40.15 | moof2 | no, I'm only at wheezy on the one machine, and haven't connected headphones to the sound since upgrading |
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| 20:41.38 | schultza | is there a ppa or repository for debian that has samba4 in it or will i have to manually download and compile it myself at this time!? |
| 20:41.56 | jelly-home | ,v samba4 |
| 20:41.58 | judd | Package: samba4 on i386 -- jessie: 4.0.0~beta2+dfsg1-3.2; sid: 4.0.0~beta2+dfsg1-3.2; wheezy: 4.0.0~beta2+dfsg1-3.2; experimental: 4.0.3+dfsg1-0.1 |
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| 20:42.21 | schultza | beta and experimental? ok. thanks |
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| 20:42.24 | PerfDave | schultza: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 20:42.31 | schultza | at work 7 |
| 20:42.58 | PerfDave | Then yeah, already packaged |
| 20:43.11 | jelly-home | but it's not the release!!!1one |
| 20:43.40 | schultza | thanks |
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| 20:46.32 | BlueShark | Hi, how can I install GNU Parallel from command line? apt-get install parallel didn't work. |
| 20:46.42 | moof2 | jelly-home, so I have no idea if I have issues or not; my intent is to run jack and ardour3 on it, and as far as I know those are running ok, but using a physical midi device |
| 20:46.51 | benedikt | BlueShark: hint: use "apt-cache search gnu parallel" |
| 20:47.34 | david-e_ | BlueShark: use sudo? |
| 20:47.46 | jelly-home | moof2: oh, then you're going to avoid pulse anyway |
| 20:48.03 | BlueShark | Reading state information... Done |
| 20:48.07 | BlueShark | ecj: Unable to locate package parallel |
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| 20:48.37 | moof2 | not sure the status of my de... I had kde but it seems to have disappeared |
| 20:48.55 | Section58 | BlueShark, you are still in squeeze |
| 20:49.00 | Section58 | you need to upgrade to stable |
| 20:49.20 | Section58 | or, you didn't update first |
| 20:49.27 | jelly-home | ,v parallel |
| 20:49.28 | judd | Package: parallel on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 20120322-1~bpo60+1; jessie: 20120422-1; sid: 20120422-1; wheezy: 20120422-1 |
| 20:49.28 | moof2 | "need" is a strong word... |
| 20:49.33 | david-e_ | BlueShark: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:49.58 | BlueShark | 6.0.5 |
| 20:50.00 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell BlueShark about backports |
| 20:50.02 | Section58 | see |
| 20:50.06 | Section58 | i know everything!! |
| 20:50.16 | elkng | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=2GB count=10 |
| 20:50.17 | jelly-home | Section58: no need to upgrade the whole release though |
| 20:50.27 | Section58 | yeah you know what i meant tho :P |
| 20:50.45 | jelly-home | no |
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| 20:51.14 | Section58 | :( |
| 20:51.21 | jelly-home | oh, wrong factoid |
| 20:51.27 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell BlueShark about debian-backports |
| 20:52.01 | jelly-home | BlueShark: following the instructions will let you install the version from "squeeze-backports" |
| 20:52.04 | moof2 | squeeze is still usable, still gets security updates, was recently upgraded to 6.0.7 |
| 20:52.30 | Section58 | i was using testing from like a year old |
| 20:52.39 | moof2 | BlueShark, do you want to upgrade? |
| 20:52.43 | Section58 | thats probably why i am so pro jessie |
| 20:52.46 | BlueShark | moof2: yes. |
| 20:53.23 | moof2 | you should first upgrade your squeeze to latest squeeze |
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| 20:53.52 | moof2 | if that's how far you want to upgrade, you're done,,, if you want to go to wheezy, there's the release notes that show how |
| 20:53.57 | jelly-home | doing a squeeze->wheezy release upgrade this will take 2-3 hours and can introduce breakage |
| 20:54.10 | Section58 | 2-3 hours ?? |
| 20:54.20 | jelly-home | cybrNaut: that's typical, yes |
| 20:54.24 | jelly-home | Section58: ^^ |
| 20:54.34 | moof2 | well certainly that includes the downloading |
| 20:54.47 | moof2 | you have gnome I guess? that's pretty big too |
| 20:54.52 | Section58 | i must have skipped loads of packages then... o i guess it was a basic system |
| 20:54.53 | jelly-home | Section58: assuming you're actually reading and merging the configuration |
| 20:55.11 | Section58 | ofc 2-3 hours if you have a gui on there i guess |
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| 20:55.39 | jelly-home | that's for servers really |
| 20:55.49 | Section58 | aye |
| 20:55.54 | jelly-home | no idea about workstation installs |
| 20:55.59 | Section58 | 6-7 hours ? :P |
| 20:56.11 | Section58 | but honeslty, it never took me that long |
| 20:56.19 | moof2 | if you take a lot of lunchbreakd |
| 20:56.42 | Section58 | i have lots of servers that splut the tasks |
| 20:56.51 | Section58 | so i probably don't have a lot of packages on the systems before i start |
| 20:56.54 | Section58 | less to upgrade init |
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| 20:57.47 | jelly-home | there's always something; php4->5, or openldap moving the config to the db, or dovecot splitting the config to a zillion files |
| 20:57.59 | Section58 | true |
| 20:58.14 | moof2 | friends don't let friends use php |
| 20:58.14 | PerfDave | Wheezy upgrade fuckup for me was cyrus. I have *just* finished dealing with that pain. |
| 20:58.16 | jelly-home | if you're lucky it's documented in the release notes |
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| 20:58.30 | PerfDave | Got mediawiki left to take care of, but ouch, cyrus. |
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| 20:59.07 | Section58 | moof2 +1; |
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| 21:00.20 | PerfDave | For all that most PHP apps are shit, not using it will make your life much harder. |
| 21:00.26 | PerfDave | For many many common tasks. |
| 21:00.37 | Section58 | Miley Cyrus? |
| 21:00.40 | Section58 | sorry poor joke |
| 21:00.54 | moof2 | but miley is rich |
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| 21:01.10 | Section58 | and smokes joints in clubs, she must be cool |
| 21:01.23 | Section58 | tbh, php is getting cleaner |
| 21:01.25 | Section58 | slowly |
| 21:01.29 | Section58 | 5.4 is much better than 5.3 |
| 21:01.42 | Section58 | i don't know about faster yet |
| 21:01.48 | moof2 | the point is there's a big difference |
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| 21:01.58 | Section58 | but it seem to still pull pages out the server in 200ms or less |
| 21:01.59 | PerfDave | Part of the reason I just upgraded to Wheezy is so I can use Apache's AppArmor integration to try and minimise insecurity caused by PHP apps. |
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| 21:02.17 | Section58 | if i start a new app, its going to be in rails |
| 21:02.29 | PerfDave | Section58: Because that's so great for performance and security ;) |
| 21:02.34 | Section58 | but i don't want to leave php out in the cold, its kept me fed and watered for 10 years |
| 21:02.58 | moof2 | rails is pretty good, it's impressive for what it does... |
| 21:03.15 | Section58 | I don't think there is a perfect lang everyone will love |
| 21:03.25 | Section58 | its all about coding in what lang you know best |
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| 21:03.26 | moof2 | it would be nice to have a common data model that's been well tested for years |
| 21:03.41 | Section58 | and not 25 thousands frameworks |
| 21:03.44 | Section58 | yeah i know what you mean |
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| 21:04.05 | moof2 | I use tcl and one framework |
| 21:04.42 | Section58 | tcl.. wow :P |
| 21:04.51 | moof2 | tcl devs are -intensely- careful to not break old code |
| 21:04.52 | Section58 | tcl-mysql for the win |
| 21:05.05 | moof2 | no, tcl and pg |
| 21:05.26 | Section58 | i played with it years and years ago on that well known bot that probably doesn't made anymore |
| 21:05.37 | moof2 | my impression is php devs don't care about that at all |
| 21:05.43 | Section58 | fair, i know its py and pg and java and pg |
| 21:05.56 | Section58 | hey!! some of us care |
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| 21:06.10 | moof2 | you're a php dev? |
| 21:06.10 | Section58 | i certainly don't want to be breaking code that works |
| 21:06.13 | Section58 | its more work for me |
| 21:06.22 | Section58 | not core.. if thats what you mean |
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| 21:06.45 | moof2 | I mean do you work on the language and/or modules/libs? |
| 21:06.55 | Section58 | i work with it, not on it |
| 21:07.04 | moof2 | oh ok |
| 21:07.17 | Section58 | the closest i have to building it is knowing the bloke the hosts one of the uk mirrors |
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| 21:07.24 | moof2 | so before, I meant mostly the people who work on the language |
| 21:07.27 | Section58 | thats about as close as i get (not very close) |
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| 21:07.53 | moof2 | do you have to be careful to choose the right version of php? |
| 21:08.07 | Section58 | i think php 6 will be rebuilt if that sounds more exticting |
| 21:08.09 | Section58 | er ... |
| 21:08.11 | Section58 | not really |
| 21:08.21 | Section58 | i have to be aware of the changes from version to version |
| 21:08.38 | Section58 | but i have been coding 5.3 for too long, the changes to 5.4 were tiny |
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| 21:08.44 | Section58 | and now its all 5.4 |
| 21:08.56 | moof2 | in case later versions have changes that are incompatiblie with earlier versions? |
| 21:09.15 | Section58 | 5.2 to 5.3 was a bit werid, but it worked it out somehow |
| 21:09.31 | Section58 | not yet (apart form php4) but probably soon |
| 21:09.43 | Section58 | you can't have everything backwards compaterble |
| 21:09.50 | Section58 | cause thats what causes most of the bloat |
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| 21:10.03 | moof2 | so maybe theyre getting more careful. |
| 21:10.09 | Section58 | then you have 25 ways of doing the same thing, and thats how you code poorly |
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| 21:10.38 | Section58 | yeah, 5.4 gives you static based errors... stuff like not naming methods properly... |
| 21:10.40 | Section58 | its just a warning |
| 21:10.44 | moof2 | that's caused by (say) 25 diferent frameworks? |
| 21:10.54 | Section58 | but it will change to a fatal in the next version probably |
| 21:11.20 | Section58 | er ... maybe not so much |
| 21:11.33 | Section58 | the framework part is that they all can produce the same thing, in a very similar way |
| 21:11.44 | Section58 | and everyone is shouting at eachother to say that 'mine is better' |
| 21:11.53 | Section58 | but its about coding properly in the one you know the the best |
| 21:11.56 | Section58 | not the one thats best for the task |
| 21:12.11 | moof2 | yep, that's contributory |
| 21:12.13 | Section58 | cause they are all the best if you use them properly and strip out the shit you don't want |
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| 21:13.08 | Section58 | but all these 'saves you time coding' frameworks have a fallback.. coding in less time means more loops and it gets really slow |
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| 21:13.41 | moof2 | here's part of the reason why I use what I do: http://openacs.org/doc/acs-templating/ |
| 21:13.53 | moof2 | the bottom link is the templating demo |
| 21:13.57 | Section58 | yeah its all about keeping to standards |
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| 21:14.38 | moof2 | my impression is there aren't any standards for php stuff, especially in the area of database shape |
| 21:14.39 | Section58 | MVC for tcl ... |
| 21:14.40 | Section58 | :D |
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| 21:15.07 | moof2 | kinda |
| 21:15.08 | Section58 | raw php... yeah... if you don't know what you are doing.. its already over |
| 21:15.10 | jacklk | Section58: you live in Yorkshire? |
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| 21:15.32 | Section58 | but the frameworks follow _some_ sort of code of conduct |
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| 21:15.40 | Section58 | jacklk, no, thats some other random.. |
| 21:15.44 | Section58 | and why are you googling me |
| 21:15.46 | Section58 | :P |
| 21:16.06 | moof2 | don't get google on his shoes |
| 21:16.17 | jacklk | Steve, you live here?: http://geoiptool.com/en/?IP=93.89.80.183 |
| 21:16.25 | jacklk | you said I need to use Google :D |
| 21:16.32 | Section58 | in Global Switch 2 ... |
| 21:16.37 | Section58 | yes, i live in a datacenter ... |
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| 21:16.43 | jacklk | In London? |
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| 21:16.59 | moof2 | the high-pitched whines are great for your ears too |
| 21:17.02 | Section58 | jack i'm taking the piss, thats the end point of my network |
| 21:17.06 | Section58 | i don't live in the datacenter |
| 21:17.12 | Section58 | it would be very hot and noisey |
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| 21:17.40 | jacklk | Are datacentres bad for your health? |
| 21:17.49 | jacklk | all the electricity |
| 21:17.50 | Section58 | if you are not a server. yes |
| 21:17.59 | moof2 | could be |
| 21:18.02 | Section58 | but crossing the road is bad for your health |
| 21:18.07 | Section58 | if you do it when a bus is coming |
| 21:18.12 | jacklk | apparently living near a power station is also bad |
| 21:18.19 | jacklk | as in, an electricity one |
| 21:18.25 | moof2 | unless you're two blocks down! |
| 21:18.30 | Section58 | using a mobile is bad ... eating macdonalds is bad .. |
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| 21:18.43 | Section58 | everything is that good.. is always bad for you jack |
| 21:18.44 | jacklk | but still |
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| 21:18.58 | jacklk | Datacentres do have an affect on your health |
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| 21:19.24 | esing | I want to install python-requests from sid on debian squeeze, but Iam stuck on an eglibc message: http://bpaste.net/show/uq4q7sTGazwtwFe2GtVb/ How can I skip or workaround it |
| 21:19.32 | Section58 | i would be more worried if i worked on mobile phone masts for a living |
| 21:19.38 | jacklk | Section58: same |
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| 21:20.55 | Section58 | wait i lyed... its in telehouse west |
| 21:21.12 | Section58 | but thats like 500 meters away from gs2 |
| 21:21.30 | esing | I had to press 'q' to skip it |
| 21:21.59 | Section58 | esing, this is normal with the note blerbs |
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| 21:22.06 | Section58 | works the same as | less |
| 21:22.31 | Section58 | I thought you ment what did the note mean, i read it and got confused |
| 21:22.39 | Section58 | if you just wanted to skip the note, i could have helped sorry |
| 21:22.50 | Section58 | but yey!!! you found the q key |
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| 21:24.01 | moof2 | esing, what version of debian you have? |
| 21:24.12 | esing | Ye, I tried multiple keys before except the 'q' key, until a thread post revealed the hint :) |
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| 21:25.52 | esing | moof2, debian 6.0.7 |
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| 21:26.04 | moof2 | and you want to install python? |
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| 21:26.47 | esing | Ye, I want to install the python module requests. I think python 2,7 was already installed |
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| 21:27.30 | moof2 | you said something about sid/unstable before... could you say more? |
| 21:28.31 | esing | I mean this package http://packages.debian.org/de/sid/python-requests |
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| 21:28.58 | moof2 | oh ok, and that is not available in 6.0.7? |
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| 21:29.48 | esing | I didn't find it, I looked in apt cache search |
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| 21:30.11 | esing | I'll also need http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=python-bs4 , I think debian stable comes only with beautifulsoup3 |
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| 21:30.29 | dvs | moof2: it is available in Deb 7 but it's only version 0.1.2 |
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| 21:30.56 | esing | Should I have prefered the Deb 7 version over the sid for squeeze? |
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| 21:31.19 | esing | (Neglecting that it is only version 0.1.2) |
| 21:31.50 | dvs | oh? Deb 6. Missed that part. |
| 21:32.00 | moof2 | ok... not completely sure about this, but (especially if the python-requests module is written in C and compiled), it's likely to not work on the 2.7 python... you may have to do drastic things to get it all working |
| 21:32.44 | BlueShark | The upgrade process got stuck in between :/ |
| 21:32.46 | BlueShark | What do I do? |
| 21:32.48 | moof2 | like backport all the python stuff |
| 21:32.49 | fahi_ | esing: you can always use pip to install python packages |
| 21:33.02 | BlueShark | 47% [Working] ... |
| 21:33.24 | moof2 | BlueShark, look like there's disk activity? |
| 21:33.30 | esing | Hm, on my home pc I have python 2,7 and requests working |
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| 21:33.34 | moof2 | what was the last thing you did? |
| 21:33.37 | dvs | squeeze is only going to be supported for another 11 months. |
| 21:33.55 | moof2 | esing, oh, what os is on that machine? |
| 21:33.56 | esing | (It's ubuntu 13.04 though) |
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| 21:34.49 | moof2 | so everything you needed (incl; the right python) was available in 13.04? |
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| 21:35.21 | moof2 | can you find out the version of python-requests on that machine? |
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| 21:35.40 | esing | fahi_, Iam not sure if my system gets mixed up if I install some stuff with pip and others with apt-get |
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| 21:36.07 | moof2 | what's pip? |
| 21:36.14 | esing | moof2, python-requests 1.1.0-1 |
| 21:36.36 | moof2 | so it's much later than 0.1.2 |
| 21:37.00 | esing | moof2, "Pip is a replacement for easy_install, and is intended to be an improved python package installer. it integrates with virtualenv, doesn't do partial installs, can save package state for replaying, can install from non-egg sources, and can install from version control repositories." |
| 21:37.46 | moof2 | one thing you could try is backport python-requests from sid |
| 21:38.03 | moof2 | no guarantees how that's going to go |
| 21:38.03 | esing | moof2, dvs said version 0.1.2 is for deb 7 , not for sid |
| 21:38.25 | jelly-home | ,v python-requests |
| 21:38.26 | judd | Package: python-requests on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 0.12.1-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.12.1-1; jessie: 1.2.0-2; sid: 1.2.0-2 |
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| 21:39.21 | moof2 | yes, I did hear that... and you also said at home, your python requests is working... (from that I inferred, that's probably the one that works for you, and 0.1.2 might not) |
| 21:40.38 | moof2 | the best thing you can do (I think) is try a simple sid backport of the one from sid |
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| 21:41.34 | esing | Ye, I used deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main in source.list and installed the sid package for it, imported requests and had no error yet |
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| 21:42.05 | moof2 | so it's working? |
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| 21:42.31 | esing | Yes, it is imported without errors |
| 21:42.55 | esing | I run "import requests" in a python testfile |
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| 21:43.24 | dekiss | any idea why my sound isn't working I just installed Debian 7 |
| 21:43.26 | moof2 | so there's a point I want to make about this one part |
| 21:43.29 | dekiss | and how to get it work |
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| 21:45.22 | dvs | dpkg, tell dekiss about alsa checklist |
| 21:45.30 | cardiel | i have a problem with gnome 3.4.2. sometimes when i unplug the ac adapter, gnome won't notice it and still believes that the power is plugged in and i have to reboot to fix this.. someone know if its possible to solve? |
| 21:45.57 | moof2 | debian can have problems if you install stuff from sid like that... the backporting process is different, in that you build a .deb package to install |
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| 21:47.18 | NoOova | Hello! Could i access NFS share with any UID? |
| 21:47.41 | esing | moof2, I see, so if the build fails you can prevent issues |
| 21:47.46 | NoOova | So if i access remote share from local root i will have remote root priveleges? |
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| 21:50.26 | moof2 | esing, each release of debian has its own tree of dependencies between packages... if you install directly from sid when you're not running sid, you could be looking at problems with that tree structure |
| 21:51.07 | paco | hey people, which programs could I use for my fm receiver besides gnomeradio, kradio, fm and radio ? |
| 21:51.09 | moof2 | btw if you haven't done so already, you should comment out the sid line in your sources.list and re-run apt-get update |
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| 21:55.04 | esing | Thanks for the hint, forget to do that. And with using backports I guess that I then can take care of possible tree structure differences when building the package right |
| 21:55.16 | dekiss | how t oadd myself to audio group |
| 21:56.54 | esing | dekiss, sudo usermod -aG audio username |
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| 21:58.01 | esing | ah wait |
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| 21:58.33 | esing | dekiss, "sudo usermod -G audio <username> (as I've seen suggested here on this forum) will REMOVE your user from ALL the groups you need to be a part of and just add you to the audio group. " |
| 21:58.50 | dekiss | omg I wrote the one most above :S |
| 21:58.55 | esing | dekiss, Try rather: sudo adduser <username> audio |
| 21:58.57 | dekiss | the first time you told me now what to do |
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| 22:00.12 | dekiss | dejan@Web1:~$ sudo usermod -aG audio dejan |
| 22:00.12 | dekiss | dejan@Web1:~$ sudo adduser dejan audio |
| 22:00.12 | dekiss | The user `dejan' is already a member of `audio'. |
| 22:00.12 | dekiss | dejan@Web1:~$ |
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| 22:01.36 | moof2 | the adduser tried to do the same thing as the usermod |
| 22:02.17 | paco | hey people, which programs could I use for my fm receiver besides gnomeradio, kradio, and command line fm and radio ? |
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| 22:04.53 | histo | paco: mocp |
| 22:05.06 | histo | paco: or should say moc Music On Console |
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| 22:05.21 | paco | thank you histo and what about a gui one? |
| 22:05.28 | paco | because radio works fine for me, but gnomeradio doesnt |
| 22:05.31 | paco | and kradio either |
| 22:05.38 | elkng | what an irony people in chatrooms with creepy names like: "Mephisto" "Darkchaos" are usually end up being lazy otakus with huge self esteem |
| 22:05.54 | histo | paco: do you need more than the moc curses gui? |
| 22:06.08 | Darkchaos | what? :D |
| 22:06.16 | paco | well, I'd like a gtk2 one, to integrate with the desktop |
| 22:06.24 | histo | paco: rhythmbox ? |
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| 22:06.42 | elkng | Darkchaos: it wasn't meant to offence someone, but those names were taken as an example |
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| 22:06.50 | paco | I don't like rhythmbox, I was thinking something lightweight and that only works with radio histo |
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| 22:07.16 | paco | something like gnomeradio, but it isn't working in wheezy, it was working fine in squeezy. Now says inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 22:07.27 | elkng | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:08.15 | histo | elkng: this coming from someone named elkng |
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| 22:10.06 | moof2 | b337-b0x0r? |
| 22:10.31 | paco | a simple v4l radio gui |
| 22:10.44 | paco | that's what I'm looking for, akin to gnomeradio |
| 22:10.48 | paco | any ideas? |
| 22:10.49 | histo | paco: apt-cache search radio |
| 22:10.56 | paco | oh yes, I tried that |
| 22:11.12 | paco | yet no luck |
| 22:11.31 | dancus | clementine or mpd with ncmpcpp ? |
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| 22:12.48 | paco | dancus gtk2 gui I mean, not ncurses |
| 22:13.06 | paco | a desktop app for the regular desktop user |
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| 22:15.49 | dancus | ok paco, sonata is in gtk |
| 22:18.24 | paco | thanks dancus, altough it depends on mpd it isn't directly communicating to the device |
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| 22:25.57 | paco | well, I'll go see what I can invent... |
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| 22:31.32 | fipu | Hi guys |
| 22:31.42 | fipu | Can somebody help me with an iSCSI Problem? |
| 22:31.47 | fipu | I have this issue: http://iscsi-enterprise-target.996254.n3.nabble.com/kernel-panic-on-1-4-20-2-td9880.html |
| 22:31.56 | fipu | how can I update to the written version? |
| 22:32.00 | fipu | in post 2 |
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| 22:33.20 | reimorster | hi, i have installed nvidia proprietary drivers, but for now, my tty1..6 are with horrible resolution. x server is ok (1920x1080) |
| 22:33.40 | reimorster | theres some fix to this issue? |
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| 22:33.50 | elisa87 | I followed http://askubuntu.com/questions/137655/boot-up-fails-drops-to-initramfs-prompt-12-04 and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair#A2nd_option_:_install_Boot-Repair_in_Ubuntu yet no success and I see busybox initramfs prompt when I reboot !!! I Linux is in /dev/sda5 and here's some more info http://paste.ubuntu.com/5749948/ |
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| 22:39.28 | vadimkolchev_ | hi all. I'm on archlinux now and want to change it for debian. Have a question. How can I determine the fastest mirror to choose during the installation? |
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| 22:40.24 | harrison | all mirrors reflect light at the same speed, known as "c" |
| 22:40.35 | abrotman | vadimkolchev_: you do it after, but it's really not that important |
| 22:41.05 | vadimkolchev_ | abrotman, i plan to use netinstall , that's why I'm asking. Want to get full download speed my network allows |
| 22:41.27 | abrotman | vadimkolchev_: how fast is your internet? |
| 22:42.02 | vadimkolchev_ | abrotman, not really, 1 Mbps I guess, but I want to use it to full potential |
| 22:42.25 | abrotman | vadimkolchev_: almost any mirror should be able to do that, they have speed requirements that far exceed that .. |
| 22:42.30 | moof2 | vadimkolchev_, do you want to back up your present system so that you can restore it if something doesn't work out? |
| 22:42.39 | abrotman | .. |
| 22:43.04 | vadimkolchev_ | moof2, no, I think I don't need it, thanks, it's a new hdd and I have nothing valuable here for now |
| 22:43.20 | abrotman | vadimkolchev_: if you're really that interested, use apt-spy or netselect-apt .. but in reality, you sohuld probably just use 'http.debian.net' so it chooses a geographically-close mirror |
| 22:43.28 | moof2 | oh, ok... so nothign in say /home you want to keep? |
| 22:44.04 | vadimkolchev_ | moof2, yes, absolutely, i didn't modify anything special, so I really have no real care for my /home presently |
| 22:44.22 | moof2 | ok, good enough. just checking |
| 22:44.47 | vadimkolchev_ | abrotman, so, how can I choose it during the installation? |
| 22:45.35 | vadimkolchev_ | moof2, thanks anyway) |
| 22:45.38 | abrotman | vadimkolchev_: you really don't .. i already said that .. just look at the list and choose one near you .. you can then complete the minimal install (leaves you with a CLI system), and make those changes after |
| 22:46.07 | fipu | can somebody help me with the iSCSI problem? |
| 22:46.15 | vadimkolchev_ | abrotman, ok, thank you. Btw, I thought about desktop install from net, that's why it bothered me |
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| 22:46.32 | abrotman | vadimkolchev_: you have that option .. |
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| 22:46.57 | Alina-malina | how to make debian nginx to serve large 5~6 MB webpages with images? |
| 22:47.18 | Alina-malina | i mean page is being server but withouht images on it |
| 22:47.25 | Alina-malina | *served |
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| 22:47.52 | vadimkolchev_ | abrotman, ok, thx, I'm putting image onto my usb now |
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| 22:49.01 | moof2 | vadimkolchev_, once your net is configured (whether that happens in the installer or afterward), anytime you ask for a package it comes to you from the net |
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| 22:50.13 | moof2 | if it happens in the installer, then (1) the installer will use the network to get packages (and pieces of the installer), and (2) it will remember the network settings so that every time you boot, your net will be up and you can install packages from it |
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| 22:50.35 | dekiss | please can you link me some doc about setting up dns zone ? |
| 22:51.15 | moof2 | dekiss, you probably need to read DNS and BIND |
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| 22:51.39 | abrotman | dpkg: tell vadimkolchev about firmware netinst |
| 22:52.55 | dekiss | I want to use dynamc dns services |
| 22:53.01 | dekiss | but for that I need to learn bind? :S |
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| 22:53.36 | vadimkolchev | How big should i make root partition if i have separate home, tmp , usr and var partitions? |
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| 22:54.04 | moof2 | I've been trying to boot a netinstall image written to a file on a partition, and it won't boot,,, what's the correct way to get it to boot? (tried root (hd1,3) / chainloader /debian...iso / boot) |
| 22:54.29 | vadimkolchev | abrotman, i knew about firmware, but thanks anyway:-) |
| 22:55.03 | moof2 | vadimkolchev, I'd say half a gig is plenty |
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| 22:55.30 | moof2 | much less than 200mb is probably going to be problematic |
| 22:55.57 | ImaLamer | vadimkolchev: especially when you start installing more/updating kernels and you run out of room for /boot |
| 22:56.00 | vadimkolchev | moof2, i have 350 megs now, is it ok? |
| 22:56.08 | moof2 | sure |
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| 22:56.54 | vadimkolchev | Ok, base is being installed:-) |
| 22:56.59 | moof2 | so since you have /var in a separate partition, log files won't end up in / partition; since /usr, package installs won't either. |
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| 22:57.35 | moof2 | and since /home is also, general usage won't leak there too |
| 22:57.46 | vadimkolchev | moof2, yes, i got 10 gigs for usr |
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| 22:58.04 | ImaLamer | vadimkolchev / moof2: the only thing to keep in mind is that you can't store a lot of stuff in /root now |
| 22:58.05 | moof2 | should be plenty for a good long time |
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| 22:58.21 | ImaLamer | i have a bad habit of backing up things sometimes as root to root :( |
| 22:58.24 | aristarchus | what is the best way to create iso filesystems these days? |
| 22:58.28 | aristarchus | i used to use mkisofs |
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| 22:58.52 | moof2 | I think I still do |
| 22:59.02 | aristarchus | it's not available in my package list |
| 22:59.03 | vadimkolchev | aristarchus, i think mkfs.smth |
| 22:59.04 | ImaLamer | think most things will actually use that in the end |
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| 22:59.33 | moof2 | , file bin/mkisofs |
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| 22:59.39 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
| 22:59.42 | aristarchus | vadimkolchev: i'll check it out |
| 22:59.49 | moof2 | maybe growisofs? |
| 23:00.04 | vadimkolchev | Ok, now to mirror choosing |
| 23:00.05 | ImaLamer | genisoimage |
| 23:01.05 | moof2 | vadimkolchev, so since you're at that point, the network should be configured and up now |
| 23:01.08 | ImaLamer | aristarchus: that is the replacement for mkisofs |
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| 23:01.37 | vadimkolchev | moof2, yep, I had to load firmware |
| 23:01.57 | moof2 | oh, do you have wireless? |
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| 23:02.37 | vadimkolchev | moof2, yes, but i had to do it both for wired and wireless |
| 23:03.05 | dekiss | please can you link me some doc about setting up dns zone ? I want to use dynamic dns services from one company I need to make zone records I have no idea what to put afaik I need one ns record and one a record but I am not sure what to put in ns record where it says points to and hosname |
| 23:03.09 | moof2 | which did you decide to use for the install? |
| 23:03.48 | ImaLamer | dekiss: if you use dynamic dns you don't need a nameserver |
| 23:03.57 | vadimkolchev | moof2, wireless, have problems with wired, not debian related |
| 23:04.17 | ImaLamer | dekiss: you need to step back from setting one up and look into how they work in general |
| 23:04.46 | moof2 | I'll be curious to see if it's working well. what authentication is your AP using? |
| 23:05.29 | vadimkolchev | moof2, ok, 25 minutes and I should end up in desktop. WPA2-PSK |
| 23:05.57 | moof2 | where are you at now in the install? |
| 23:06.45 | vadimkolchev | moof2, it is downloading needed packages |
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| 23:07.13 | vadimkolchev | moof2, no, it will be longer |
| 23:07.16 | moof2 | quite excellent! looks like you'll have a fully working installation in a little bit |
| 23:07.47 | vadimkolchev | moof2, I hope so :-) |
| 23:08.19 | moof2 | with any luck you can take a lunch break :) |
| 23:08.30 | dekiss | ImaLamer, thanks |
| 23:08.44 | vadimkolchev | moof2, I don't eat at night:-) |
| 23:09.02 | ImaLamer | dekiss: dynamic dns is providing the nameserver |
| 23:09.36 | ImaLamer | dekiss: no offense, but you need to just read some general internet/networking primers |
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| 23:10.07 | ImaLamer | dekiss: then configuring in debian would be 100 times easier |
| 23:10.08 | dekiss | ImaLamer, I must have one name server record and one a record? |
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| 23:10.13 | abrotman | doubts any dyndns group makes you create your own zone records |
| 23:10.25 | dekiss | I am just not sure where name server record should point to I think to the hostname (domain name) |
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| 23:10.41 | ImaLamer | dekiss: no, don't do that |
| 23:10.53 | dekiss | but I want to setup zone records on my own :S |
| 23:10.54 | appleguru | getting horrendous speeds via a USB wifi adapter in debian; any ideas? |
| 23:10.58 | dekiss | oh |
| 23:11.01 | ImaLamer | dekiss: you are introducing problems! and having bind/named running means you are opening yourself up to attacks |
| 23:11.20 | dekiss | no I dont have bind |
| 23:11.23 | abrotman | appleguru: what's 'uname -r' |
| 23:11.25 | abrotman | ? |
| 23:11.43 | dekiss | I buy dynamic dns services from company can I set up zone records? |
| 23:11.46 | ImaLamer | dekiss: i appreciate wanting to learn it - start possibly with a caching name server |
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| 23:11.54 | abrotman | dekiss: if you bought it, ask their support |
| 23:11.55 | aristarchus | genisoimage worked |
| 23:11.57 | ImaLamer | dekiss: you will set them up with the service |
| 23:12.02 | appleguru | abrotman: 3.6.11+ |
| 23:12.02 | dekiss | yeah |
| 23:12.05 | dekiss | you are right man |
| 23:12.14 | aristarchus | ImaLamer: thanks! |
| 23:12.19 | abrotman | appleguru: so you compiled it yourself? |
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| 23:12.25 | dekiss | ImaLamer, thank you |
| 23:12.30 | abrotman | appleguru: perhaps look for newer firmware, or try a newer kernel |
| 23:12.41 | ImaLamer | appleguru: is this a new problem? |
| 23:13.04 | appleguru | ImaLamer: new hardware (raspberry pi and wifi card) |
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| 23:13.30 | ImaLamer | appleguru: well could wifi itself just be slow? |
| 23:13.59 | appleguru | when I say slow.. I mean no mode than 1-2KB/s |
| 23:14.01 | appleguru | *more |
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| 23:14.07 | ImaLamer | appleguru: or not enough power going to the setup |
| 23:14.18 | appleguru | tried multiple power supplies, powered hub, etc |
| 23:14.21 | appleguru | made no difference |
| 23:14.35 | ImaLamer | appleguru: sounds like a poor signal maybe has reverted to a lower transmission rate |
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| 23:14.50 | ImaLamer | appleguru: what speed does ifconfig report? |
| 23:14.53 | appleguru | I moved it right next to the router; didn't help |
| 23:15.05 | ImaLamer | hrm |
| 23:15.22 | appleguru | iwconfig reports 130mbps |
| 23:15.37 | appleguru | make that 150 |
| 23:15.53 | dekiss | ImaLamer, jst for curiousity as I cant find anywhere, what should I put in ns record? |
| 23:16.00 | dekiss | in points to field |
| 23:16.15 | dekiss | I spent like whole die figuring it outjust that :S |
| 23:16.34 | appleguru | http://pastebin.com/VxrF047u |
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| 23:16.58 | ImaLamer | dekiss: http://www.codewalkers.com/c/a/Miscellaneous/DNS-Primer/ |
| 23:17.16 | appleguru | from ifconfig: RX packets:15611 errors:0 dropped:101699 overruns:0 frame:0 |
| 23:17.41 | ImaLamer | appleguru: yeah that looks like a connection better than ethernet... |
| 23:17.56 | appleguru | until you look at those dropped packets 8) |
| 23:18.03 | moof2 | a lot of dropped packets |
| 23:18.10 | ImaLamer | appleguru: i typed too slow, yeah |
| 23:18.33 | ImaLamer | appleguru: wireless can be FM sometimes, let me think |
| 23:18.58 | dekiss | thank you man ImaLamer |
| 23:19.03 | chz|bacon | appleguru: can you ping google? |
| 23:19.19 | moof2 | doesn't think it's the radio |
| 23:19.31 | chz|bacon | btw anyone here familiar with plymouth and ati/amd apu drivers? |
| 23:19.58 | chz|bacon | he's sending packets |
| 23:20.12 | chz|bacon | what's the router log look like? |
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| 23:20.20 | ImaLamer | seems it would be the module possibly |
| 23:20.22 | Duality | hi |
| 23:20.41 | Duality | how can i retrieve an ip my laptop gives out to a network device connected on the network card ? |
| 23:20.53 | vadimkolchev | moof2, always wanted to know how u guys do this in irc - the trick with 'thinks' |
| 23:21.09 | chz|bacon | Duality: sudo ifconfig |
| 23:21.14 | ImaLamer | 'moof2 doesn't think' i read |
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| 23:21.45 | appleguru | http://pastebin.com/g34VXDGs |
| 23:22.12 | appleguru | no dropped packets via ping… but very variable ping times |
| 23:22.16 | moof2 | vadimkolchev, he said he moved the machine closer to the router (practically on top of it) |
| 23:22.40 | SexyGirlG | mmm |
| 23:22.53 | appleguru | vadimkolchev: /me |
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| 23:23.02 | moof2 | so unless one of the radios are completely broken, it's not the radio :) |
| 23:23.03 | chz|bacon | hrrm no dropped packets |
| 23:23.03 | vadimkolchev | ImaLamer, I know, I meant just the idea, i type from phone now, tried to save in typing |
| 23:23.03 | appleguru | thinks it could be a driver issue |
| 23:23.15 | chz|bacon | what are you using for your dns server appleguru ? |
| 23:23.52 | moof2 | if it's dhcp, that would be the one the dhcp server gave him |
| 23:23.52 | appleguru | chz|bacon: good question (though to be fair, even connecting directly from my local machine here to that one via wifi results in slow speeds, so I don't think its DNS related) |
| 23:24.08 | chz|bacon | appleguru: what do you get from sudo lspci && sudo lsusb |
| 23:24.16 | vadimkolchev | moof2, wish I could see the download speed in installer:-) |
| 23:24.26 | ImaLamer | rebooted the router lately? |
| 23:24.38 | appleguru | pcilib: Cannot open /proc/bus/pci |
| 23:24.39 | appleguru | lspci: Cannot find any working access method. |
| 23:24.53 | moof2 | vadimkolchev, when you look at your AP, are the lights goin crazy? |
| 23:24.54 | appleguru | ImaLamer: yes, and speeds are excellent with *any* other device |
| 23:25.09 | chz|bacon | yeah a router reboot might be in order if you haven't in awhile |
| 23:25.19 | vadimkolchev | moof2, got the idea:-) |
| 23:25.54 | chz|bacon | do you have any strange clients connected to your ap appleguru ? |
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| 23:26.10 | chz|bacon | do you have wps enabled on your router? if so turn it off. |
| 23:26.30 | abrotman | he said it works fine iwth other adapters |
| 23:26.33 | ImaLamer | it's gotta be the module or the module is making the radio say things the router doesn't like |
| 23:26.36 | chz|bacon | hrrm |
| 23:26.58 | appleguru | haven't tried another wifi adapter on this machine yet… don't know if I have one |
| 23:26.59 | chz|bacon | which adapter is it? realtek? |
| 23:27.03 | moof2 | abrotman, do you think he means "other than wireless"? |
| 23:27.08 | ImaLamer | could test by setting up ad-hoc |
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| 23:27.27 | appleguru | Quick tutorial on setting up adhoc in debian? |
| 23:27.55 | ImaLamer | oh dear it's been years |
| 23:28.06 | chz|bacon | so after installing the non free amd fusion drivers, then installing plymouth, my machine goes directly to a black screen after the plymouth animation. |
| 23:28.17 | chz|bacon | i've tried with the free drivers and i get the same issue too :/ |
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| 23:28.41 | ImaLamer | chz|bacon: including TTY consoles |
| 23:28.58 | chz|bacon | ImaLamer: yeah |
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| 23:29.26 | chz|bacon | i have to boot into recovery and kill plymouth and firmware-nonfree |
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| 23:29.57 | ImaLamer | appleguru: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/AdHoc |
| 23:29.59 | chz|bacon | using gnome and gdm as my current wm/login manager |
| 23:30.34 | vadimkolchev | Debian has main contrib nonfree, or restricted as well? |
| 23:31.03 | moof2 | I've never heard of "restricted" |
| 23:31.09 | ImaLamer | chz|bacon: kill? |
| 23:31.20 | vadimkolchev | moof2, ok |
| 23:31.24 | chz|bacon | ImaLamer: followed this http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and http://wiki.debian.org/plymouth |
| 23:31.28 | Arrowmaster | restricted is ubuntu, not debian |
| 23:31.52 | vadimkolchev | Arrowmaster, ah, sure |
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| 23:32.05 | ImaLamer | chz|bacon: where i'm weak is plymouth |
| 23:32.23 | abrotman | moof2: restricted is an Ubuntu term |
| 23:32.31 | chz|bacon | instead of the fglrx-driver i used the proprietary driver |
| 23:32.37 | chz|bacon | though i've tried both |
| 23:32.39 | abrotman | fglrx is proprietary |
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| 23:32.51 | ImaLamer | debian doesn't 'restrict' you - it just let's you use non-free and harps on you about it |
| 23:33.00 | appleguru | going to connect via ethernet and try and update the OS / wifi drivers and see if that makes a difference |
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| 23:33.05 | chz|bacon | abrotman: well i say proprietary i mean the driver from amd |
| 23:33.23 | ImaLamer | appleguru: yeah seems like a bug in the driver (or you are a model away from the right driver/module0 |
| 23:33.43 | abrotman | chz|bacon: that's fglrx |
| 23:33.48 | vadimkolchev | ImaLamer, great, i don't like the way ubuntu is developed |
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| 23:34.01 | chz|bacon | appleguru: what happens is if you bring down the interface and bring it back up |
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| 23:34.34 | chz|bacon | abrotman: gotcha.. the more you know.... |
| 23:34.37 | ImaLamer | chz|bacon: have any of the modules worked? (i assume yes?) |
| 23:34.44 | chz|bacon | yeah |
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| 23:35.46 | chz|bacon | is there another bootsplash app i could try? |
| 23:35.46 | ImaLamer | with plymouth? |
| 23:36.13 | chz|bacon | just the first thing i came across |
| 23:36.15 | abrotman | chz|bacon: that's really the most current one |
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| 23:36.26 | abrotman | there's usplash too, but i don't htink it's really maintained |
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| 23:36.40 | chz|bacon | :/ |
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| 23:37.28 | chz|bacon | abrotman: well gnome looks like poo with the regular drivers |
| 23:37.56 | ImaLamer | chz|bacon: what about the drivers you want and no plymouth? |
| 23:38.05 | ImaLamer | chz|bacon: to isolate the prob |
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| 23:38.36 | codepython777 | Does anyone have a vagarat + debian 7 + python config file. |
| 23:38.46 | chz|bacon | ImaLamer: yeah that's totally doable i just want to make a flash custom boot animation. so i suppose the answer would be simply, vanity. :P |
| 23:39.04 | abrotman | chz|bacon: what's your video card? |
| 23:39.05 | chz|bacon | that's what i'm doing now in fact |
| 23:39.20 | ImaLamer | chz|bacon: at least you'd know where to look for bugs in forums, etc |
| 23:39.28 | chz|bacon | abrotman: fusion apu amd e350 |
| 23:39.39 | chz|bacon | abrotman: it's the lenovo x120e |
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| 23:40.18 | abrotman | chz|bacon: and you're trying to use wheezy? |
| 23:40.20 | dekiss | copany that selss dynamic dns service will automatically update a record that they have for my ip address? and based on TTL that I set? I only need to add their nameservers that they give me? |
| 23:40.21 | chz|bacon | well plymouth looks great, it's just the hand off to gdm that it takes a dump |
| 23:40.27 | chz|bacon | abrotman: yeah |
| 23:40.52 | abrotman | chz|bacon: did you check 'man radeon' to see if your device is in there (lspci -nn might help) |
| 23:41.00 | ImaLamer | dekiss: you typically need to let them know of your new IP (website, router or PC script) |
| 23:41.11 | abrotman | dekiss: maybe you should ask them how it works for hteir product? |
| 23:41.41 | beepie | is the kfreebsd of debian usable? |
| 23:42.27 | chz|bacon | abrotman: 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Wrestler [Radeon HD 6310] [1002:9802] |
| 23:42.29 | ImaLamer | ambigous question :D |
| 23:42.46 | abrotman | chz|bacon: so read the man page |
| 23:43.38 | chz|bacon | yeah looks supported |
| 23:43.58 | abrotman | chz|bacon: so it's possible the fglrx doesn't support it anymore |
| 23:44.26 | dekiss | ok |
| 23:44.29 | dekiss | sry and thanks ImaLamer |
| 23:44.37 | codepython777 | does this mean debian 7 or 6? —> Aegir-up Debian (Stable 64-bit)? |
| 23:44.57 | abrotman | codepython777: means nothing to us .. try 'lsb_release -a' |
| 23:45.09 | chz|bacon | abrotman: so i'd need to use a backport or something? |
| 23:45.40 | ImaLamer | dekiss: you need to find a networking channel to chat in (not trying to get rid of you) |
| 23:45.51 | abrotman | chz|bacon: no |
| 23:46.01 | abrotman | ImaLamer: he hsould ask the vendor, he paid for a product |
| 23:46.27 | ImaLamer | abrotman: i pleaded he find a free one :/ |
| 23:47.00 | ImaLamer | abrotman: either way, his questions aren't debian related anymore |
| 23:47.06 | abrotman | they never were |
| 23:47.23 | ImaLamer | abrotman: when he was setting up the webserver >24hours ago they were |
| 23:47.26 | raSter^ | is there a quick distro in debian for irssi+screen download install? |
| 23:47.27 | ImaLamer | nginx i think |
| 23:47.40 | raSter^ | or a package complete with it. |
| 23:47.48 | abrotman | raSter^: Debian |
| 23:48.10 | ImaLamer | technically a few packages, but can be installed in one line |
| 23:48.41 | raSter^ | ok |
| 23:49.04 | raSter^ | newbie here. dont know what line. should i download it manually via wget first? Or maybe there is a package thats way easier? |
| 23:49.22 | ImaLamer | raSter^: packages! |
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| 23:49.30 | raSter^ | okay |
| 23:49.40 | zykotick9 | raSter^: if you are new to screen, i'd suggest starting with tmux instead. more modern features. BUT not copyleft (if that's an issue for you). |
| 23:49.57 | madprops | is there much difference between a Debian server and an Ubuntu server? |
| 23:50.00 | ImaLamer | what's wrong with screen? |
| 23:50.00 | raSter^ | i dont know whats copyleft anyway |
| 23:50.05 | madprops | a* |
| 23:50.19 | beepie | abrotman, according to http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ, ' A. Debian GNU/kFreeBSD will be featured in the official Debian wheezy release. It was available in the official Debian squeeze release as a 'technology preview'. For details see the main wiki page. ' |
| 23:50.24 | raSter^ | so i dont think its an issue |
| 23:50.24 | ImaLamer | raSter^: more documentation for screen is likely out there (1 million blog posts out there) |
| 23:50.29 | zykotick9 | ImaLamer: nothing "wrong" with screen, but i'd say tmux has some technical advantages but YMMV ;) |
| 23:50.35 | beepie | abrotman, it says it's not a tech preview for 7+ |
| 23:50.39 | chz|bacon | i'd suggest tmux over screen |
| 23:50.45 | raSter^ | okay tmux |
| 23:50.55 | raSter^ | how do i install tmux and weechat (as some say weechat is better) |
| 23:50.57 | raSter^ | lol |
| 23:51.00 | chz|bacon | raSter^: just sudo apt-get install irssi tmux |
| 23:51.07 | raSter^ | there thanks |
| 23:51.22 | abrotman | beepie: ask their channel |
| 23:51.27 | ImaLamer | madprops: more than a few differences |
| 23:51.34 | chz|bacon | raSter^: http://blog.hawkhost.com/2010/06/28/tmux-the-terminal-multiplexer/ |
| 23:51.40 | zykotick9 | raSter^: other then realtime spellcheck, i didn't find any advantage to weechat, and eventually returned to irssi myself. YMMV. |
| 23:51.52 | chz|bacon | real that too. setup your keys to be similar to that of screen |
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| 23:52.23 | zykotick9 | chz|bacon: +1 i use good ol' ctrl+a as my tmux prefix |
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| 23:53.04 | ImaLamer | ...should i be avoiding screen? |
| 23:53.06 | madprops | ImaLamer, which one would you say is superior regarding security, stability etc |
| 23:53.20 | abrotman | ImaLamer: there's no reason .. tmux is the cool new toy |
| 23:53.23 | raSter^ | how do i use tmux? :D is it like screen irssi |
| 23:53.27 | raSter^ | then screen -r |
| 23:53.28 | abrotman | raSter^: read the docs |
| 23:53.33 | raSter^ | i just change screen to tmux? |
| 23:53.36 | abrotman | !tell raSter^ about grounding |
| 23:53.53 | ImaLamer | madprops: likely debian will be more stable actually (i run both so i'm not biased) |
| 23:54.18 | zykotick9 | ImaLamer: there is nothing wrong with screen. but it's not the most up-to-date option is all. |
| 23:54.39 | beepie | abrotman, you gave me dpkg's factoid which points to that link. The factoid is wrong.. |
| 23:54.46 | beepie | update the factoid! |
| 23:55.06 | chz|bacon | raSter^: read that link |
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| 23:55.16 | chz|bacon | tmux a |
| 23:55.38 | ImaLamer | raSter^: are you following screen + irssi tutorials? |
| 23:56.38 | ImaLamer | is it bad advice to have raSter^ start learning screen &/+ irssi and have him move over to tmux as he gets more comfortable? |
| 23:56.50 | chz|bacon | nah |
| 23:57.19 | chz|bacon | just a .conf change in tmux to make it work like screen |
| 23:57.44 | zykotick9 | ImaLamer: why learn, then unlearn, then relearn something? but if someone is totally new, i do think suggesting learning tmux over screen is a good idea... |
| 23:57.44 | chz|bacon | i just like tmux because screen splitting is a little more straight forward |
| 23:57.45 | ImaLamer | thinking he can follow his tutorials, get the concept/metaphor down and then make the change |
| 23:58.00 | ImaLamer | zykotick9: i was thinking the same thing |
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| 23:58.12 | abrotman | waits for vi vs emacs to start |
| 23:58.17 | zykotick9 | chz|bacon: in xorg being able to use mouse to resize panes is supper handy ;) |
| 23:58.22 | chz|bacon | lol abrotman |
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| 23:58.39 | chz|bacon | zykotick9: yeah that's pretty neat |
| 23:58.48 | chz|bacon | i just use the ol' resize-pane |
| 23:59.40 | zykotick9 | chz|bacon: i've mapped hjkl for resizing in linux-console ;) |
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| 23:59.52 | Nanuq | Heh, I'd been using screen for 17 years before switching to tmux. |