| 00:00.18 | _DomY-Dom | chiel: I have Debian 7.0 and setxkbmap seems to be there |
| 00:00.33 | _DomY-Dom | chiel: Ah I see what you mean |
| 00:00.34 | _DomY-Dom | loadkeys ? |
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| 00:00.38 | _DomY-Dom | loadkeys mac-fr ? |
| 00:00.41 | _DomY-Dom | or something like that |
| 00:00.48 | _DomY-Dom | sorry |
| 00:00.54 | _DomY-Dom | mac-fr for me because my keyboard is french :p |
| 00:00.57 | chiel | well i tried using dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
| 00:01.05 | _DomY-Dom | chiel does loadkeys not work? |
| 00:01.36 | chiel | "cannot open file mac-nl" :( |
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| 00:01.46 | chiel | mac-fr also does not work :p |
| 00:01.54 | _DomY-Dom | mac-fr is for french mac keyboard lol |
| 00:01.57 | _DomY-Dom | does loadkeys work? |
| 00:02.02 | _DomY-Dom | what apple keyboard do you have? |
| 00:02.05 | _DomY-Dom | and from what country? |
| 00:02.20 | _DomY-Dom | ah sorry I hadn't seen netherlands |
| 00:02.21 | _DomY-Dom | hmm |
| 00:02.29 | chiel | i know it is, but i figured i would give t a shit |
| 00:02.35 | chiel | shot* |
| 00:02.35 | chiel | lol |
| 00:02.36 | chiel | :D |
| 00:02.53 | chiel | loadkeys works, as a command |
| 00:03.07 | chiel | but it just says "Loading <stdin>" and then i can type stuff |
| 00:03.23 | _DomY-Dom | chiel: you don't have keymaps then |
| 00:03.31 | _DomY-Dom | aptitude install console-keymaps |
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| 00:05.18 | chiel | ah |
| 00:05.20 | chiel | interesting |
| 00:05.29 | chiel | no dutch keyboard layout there, sadly :p |
| 00:05.43 | chiel | i'll go for british, it's very close |
| 00:06.14 | chiel | hrm.. |
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| 00:06.26 | misc22 | hello |
| 00:06.28 | misc22 | are you going to obey/comply with CALEA II if it is passed? |
| 00:06.34 | paxcoder | there should be every layout imaginable |
| 00:06.54 | chiel | "loadkeys: /usr/share/keymaps/mac/mac-uk.kmap.gz:2: cannot include file mac-qwerty-layout.inc" |
| 00:06.55 | _DomY-Dom | chiel: hmm yeah it should be there |
| 00:07.28 | misc22 | are you going to obey/comply with CALEA II if it is passed? |
| 00:07.30 | misc22 | are you going to obey/comply with CALEA II if it is passed? |
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| 00:08.10 | chiel | misc22: repeating your question 3 times will not get it answered any faster. |
| 00:08.38 | chiel | _DomY-Dom: yea, sadly it does not work :( |
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| 00:10.57 | _DomY-Dom | chiel: Try loadkeys /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/nl.kmap.gz |
| 00:11.30 | _DomY-Dom | chiel: oh wait sorry one sec, loadkeys /usr/share/keymaps/i386/mac-usb-uk.kmap.gz |
| 00:11.41 | _DomY-Dom | chiel: mac nl seems not to be there indeed |
| 00:11.43 | _DomY-Dom | hmm |
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| 00:12.55 | chiel | _DomY-Dom: omg nice |
| 00:12.55 | _DomY-Dom | chiel: Try both though, the netherlands one might work, so? |
| 00:12.56 | chiel | that works |
| 00:13.00 | _DomY-Dom | chiel: ;) |
| 00:13.05 | chiel | well, the uk one is fine |
| 00:13.07 | _DomY-Dom | chiel: does the netherland one work? |
| 00:13.12 | el-linedash | fixed -- needed the --removable flag, the #grub guys have requested a bug report |
| 00:13.15 | chiel | the keyboard is identical with the exception of one key |
| 00:13.20 | el-linedash | cheers anyway folks |
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| 00:14.05 | _DomY-Dom | !next |
| 00:14.06 | dpkg | A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed! |
| 00:14.11 | chiel | haha |
| 00:15.47 | chiel | hrm |
| 00:15.52 | chiel | still can't do anything inside X |
| 00:16.05 | chiel | it just shows me a terminal window i can't interact with |
| 00:16.08 | chiel | can't type anything |
| 00:16.24 | _DomY-Dom | chiel: hmm? |
| 00:16.31 | _DomY-Dom | chiel: not sure what your problem is exactly |
| 00:16.42 | chiel | so i start debian in a terminal thing |
| 00:16.43 | _DomY-Dom | chiel: surely in x you should just use setxkbmap |
| 00:16.49 | chiel | then i typed startx |
| 00:16.58 | chiel | well, i can't type anything inside X |
| 00:17.18 | _DomY-Dom | chiel can you copy paste? |
| 00:17.25 | _DomY-Dom | you literally cannot do a thing? |
| 00:17.27 | _DomY-Dom | hmm that's annoying |
| 00:17.34 | _DomY-Dom | you literally cannot type a single letter? |
| 00:17.41 | _DomY-Dom | even if it is not the letter you want to type? |
| 00:17.48 | chiel | i cannot type, nope |
| 00:17.52 | chiel | and when i try to exit x |
| 00:17.59 | chiel | by doing ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 00:18.08 | chiel | video output just goes off |
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| 00:18.37 | chiel | lemme try reinstalling x |
| 00:18.48 | _DomY-Dom | chiel: hmmm |
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| 00:19.35 | _DomY-Dom | chiel: I'm afraid I can't help much, I have a debian server and I don't have an X server :p (though I did manage to run gnome over the internet at some point lol) |
| 00:20.00 | chiel | :D np |
| 00:20.07 | chiel | how can i see a list of installed packages again/ |
| 00:20.08 | chiel | ? |
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| 00:21.47 | somiaj | chiel: dpkg -l or aptitude search ~i |
| 00:22.38 | chiel | somiaj: thanks |
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| 00:22.44 | chiel | i kinda want to reinstall x |
| 00:22.59 | chiel | probably won't make a difference though |
| 00:23.00 | chiel | :x |
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| 00:24.16 | chiel | i guess removing xorg should do the trick |
| 00:25.39 | chiel | alrighty then |
| 00:25.46 | chiel | i am inside x... but i can't do anything |
| 00:25.48 | chiel | can't type, nothing |
| 00:26.01 | _DomY-Dom | chiel: "nothing", does the mouse work? |
| 00:26.12 | chiel | ah |
| 00:26.14 | chiel | yes it does |
| 00:26.23 | chiel | hadn't even occured to me to try |
| 00:26.34 | _DomY-Dom | chiel: so it's just the keyboard |
| 00:26.35 | chiel | and then i can click inside it and type |
| 00:26.36 | chiel | splendid |
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| 00:26.44 | _DomY-Dom | chiel: is it bluetooth? |
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| 00:27.00 | _DomY-Dom | chiel: yeah you can use the keyboard inside exactly |
| 00:27.15 | chiel | alright cool |
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| 00:28.14 | chiel | it's like a tiny window |
| 00:28.19 | chiel | so now i guess i need some window manager or so |
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| 00:30.03 | chiel | hrm |
| 00:30.15 | chiel | if i try typing like... ctrl+alt+f2 or so, my screen just goes black :s |
| 00:30.36 | chiel | no video signal, monitor goes into power save |
| 00:30.44 | chiel | any ideas? :p |
| 00:31.26 | paxcoder | chiel, it's probably a driver question |
| 00:31.33 | paxcoder | you could try and change the console resolution |
| 00:31.44 | paxcoder | not sure how though dpkg-reconfigure console smth |
| 00:32.17 | chiel | paxcoder: initially it works though, it's just when i try to close x for example |
| 00:32.34 | chiel | i mean, ctrl+alt+backspace should just take me back to debian terminal, no? |
| 00:32.44 | paxcoder | yes |
| 00:32.48 | paxcoder | well no |
| 00:32.52 | paxcoder | it should restart X |
| 00:32.56 | chiel | cause that just makes the video signal die as well |
| 00:32.59 | chiel | oh hmm |
| 00:33.17 | paxcoder | a driver issue |
| 00:33.29 | chiel | alright cool |
| 00:33.38 | chiel | so i guess it's time to install the driver for my chipset |
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| 00:34.13 | paxcoder | chiel, wait |
| 00:34.23 | chiel | sure? |
| 00:34.59 | paxcoder | it could be that the F2 thing is a driver issue, and that backspace shortcut is configured to turn off monitor |
| 00:35.24 | paxcoder | not sure why it'd be, but it's a possibility. but i'd think it'd turn on due to activity if that were the case |
| 00:35.33 | chiel | yea |
| 00:35.37 | chiel | that was my thought as well |
| 00:35.41 | chiel | there's this thing: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx |
| 00:36.07 | paxcoder | chiel, free drivers solved it for me |
| 00:36.22 | paxcoder | (though i had to install a binary firmware blob, as always) |
| 00:36.29 | paxcoder | *non-free |
| 00:36.35 | chiel | ah hmm |
| 00:36.45 | chiel | i am very new to using debian as a desktop, only used it on server |
| 00:36.50 | chiel | so never really had to deal with drivers |
| 00:37.53 | chiel | there's talk about "fglrx" or something, is that what you mean? |
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| 00:38.32 | moof2 | that's the proprietary 3d driver for some radeons |
| 00:38.39 | chiel | ah |
| 00:38.41 | chiel | hmm |
| 00:39.07 | chiel | in some review comparing amd and intel chipsets, they are using that driver. |
| 00:39.53 | paxcoder | chiel, sure, fglrx is probably superior performance-wise, but not freedom-wise |
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| 00:40.06 | moof2 | so then both machines must have a video card covered by that driver... ati, radeon, amd |
| 00:40.22 | chiel | it's going to be a htpc, i kinda care about performance in this case. |
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| 00:40.33 | paxcoder | chiel, oh... |
| 00:40.42 | chiel | since decoding 1080p is going to be the majority of what it does |
| 00:42.09 | chiel | hmm |
| 00:43.27 | chiel | paxcoder: how do i get the drivers that you are using? |
| 00:43.31 | chiel | may as well give those a shot first |
| 00:43.40 | chiel | if they don't cut it i could always change |
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| 00:44.50 | Mike98632 | For some reason the Internet on an old desktop of mine is no longer working over ethernet. Is there a way for me to diagnose the issue? |
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| 00:45.28 | paxcoder | chiel, you add non-free to /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree, and then you install xserver-xorg-video-radeon, and libgl1-mesa-dri or something |
| 00:45.53 | paxcoder | there used to be radeon one-liner factoid (that did all of this in one line), but i couldn't find it the last time i looked |
| 00:47.04 | chiel | hmm, so i don't just dl them from their website? |
| 00:48.58 | paxcoder | chiel, the main way you install things on GNU/Linux distributions is through a package manager |
| 00:49.15 | paxcoder | Less common way is building from source (compiling from source code) |
| 00:49.26 | chiel | i realise, just thought it might be different from non-free stuff :) |
| 00:49.33 | paxcoder | and the least common way is what is most common on Windows - executable installers |
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| 00:50.22 | paxcoder | chiel, main is a free repository, but there are also "contrib" (stuff that depends on non-free, but is free itself) and "non-free" repository |
| 00:50.35 | chiel | yea, i'm quite familiar with package managers, but only ever used debian in a server environment, never on desktop. so to an extent this is pretty new to me :D |
| 00:51.15 | paxcoder | i'm guessing firmware-linux-nonfree is the most used package from non-free |
| 00:51.43 | paxcoder | when i have to, i install it, and then remove non-free sources again |
| 00:52.13 | paxcoder | chiel, so all of this is done via package managers still. |
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| 00:53.09 | chiel | ahh :) |
| 00:53.17 | elkingrey | Is Thunderbird considered Free software, and if not, what to free software purists on debian use instead? |
| 00:53.29 | chiel | mutt |
| 00:53.29 | chiel | :p |
| 00:53.42 | elkingrey | yikes |
| 00:53.54 | cusco | icedove |
| 00:54.03 | cusco | its a fork from thunderbird |
| 00:54.07 | paxcoder | cusco, icedove is debranded thunderbird |
| 00:54.21 | paxcoder | (what iceweasel is to firefox) |
| 00:54.22 | cusco | yes the branding |
| 00:54.30 | cusco | so that is what he asked |
| 00:54.32 | cusco | right? |
| 00:54.57 | elkingrey | icedove and icecat, will they come with a fresh install of only free software on debian? |
| 00:55.07 | paxcoder | sure |
| 00:55.11 | fchmmr | i saw someone mention about video drivers |
| 00:55.17 | fchmmr | firstly: |
| 00:55.26 | fchmmr | im using Trisquel (based on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS) |
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| 00:55.42 | fchmmr | like Debian Wheezy (and Ubuntu 12.04), it comes with Mesa 8.0.1, |
| 00:55.43 | fchmmr | or similar, |
| 00:55.52 | r3m | ,v weechat-curses |
| 00:55.53 | judd | Package: weechat-curses on i386 -- squeeze: 0.3.2-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 0.3.2-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 0.3.8-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 0.3.8-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.3.8-1+deb7u1; jessie: 0.4.0-1; sid: 0.4.0-1 |
| 00:55.59 | fchmmr | i found a PPA for Ubuntu 12.04 for adding the latest mesa: |
| 00:56.03 | paxcoder | elkingrey, none of those software's code is non-free by DFSG standards. It's just that Firefox is a protected trademark, and its logo is licensed under a non-free license |
| 00:56.15 | fchmmr | https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/graphics-drivers/ |
| 00:56.18 | fchmmr | im wondering: |
| 00:56.22 | fchmmr | would a PPA work in debian? |
| 00:56.26 | paxcoder | (saying: "you're not to use this to make parodies" and some such) |
| 00:56.31 | fchmmr | they do give things to add to sources.list |
| 00:56.50 | elkingrey | paxcoder: Doesn't mozilla push non-free software plugins, too, though? |
| 00:56.54 | fchmmr | im going to attempt using that PPA to update my trisquel to give it support for my NVidia card (currently unsupportedh in Trisquel and Debian), |
| 00:57.00 | _DomY-Dom | Anyone ever installed owncloud on debian here? |
| 00:57.01 | fchmmr | if im successful, I'll make a guide from it |
| 00:57.04 | fchmmr | to help others |
| 00:57.07 | paxcoder | elkingrey, hmm i don't think so. |
| 00:57.07 | fchmmr | maybe it could apply to Debian |
| 00:57.14 | chiel | hmm, is it possible to just update the resolution and textsize of debian terminal? |
| 00:57.19 | chiel | everything is so damn huge atm |
| 00:57.24 | fchmmr | has anyone else here (for debian wheezy or squeeze) been successful with a similar attempt? |
| 00:57.24 | paxcoder | elkingrey, oh but they do ask you if you want to install them |
| 00:57.35 | paxcoder | i think iceweasel does too |
| 00:57.54 | elkingrey | Do a lot of people really use icecat and icedove? Are there enough eyeballs on the source code that we can be sure it's safe? |
| 00:58.14 | paxcoder | elkingrey, i've got icedove opened right now |
| 00:58.23 | paxcoder | and iceweasel on another virtual desktop |
| 00:58.35 | paxcoder | elkingrey, it's the same thing |
| 00:58.39 | paxcoder | just debranded |
| 00:58.41 | paxcoder | *almost |
| 00:58.43 | elkingrey | is it iceweasel or icecat? I thought it got renamed Icecat. |
| 00:58.52 | paxcoder | elkingrey, no, that's the GNU's thing |
| 00:59.02 | fchmmr | iceweaser and icecat are different browsers |
| 00:59.05 | fchmmr | iceweasel = debian |
| 00:59.10 | elkingrey | Oh |
| 00:59.11 | fchmmr | icecat = FSF |
| 00:59.14 | fchmmr | (GNU) |
| 00:59.22 | elkingrey | Why don't you use icecat? |
| 00:59.26 | fchmmr | i use abrowser |
| 00:59.26 | paxcoder | "FSF" being trisquell and gnewsense |
| 00:59.35 | fchmmr | im in trisquel (not debian) |
| 00:59.38 | chiel | anyone happen to know if it's possible to make the textsize smaller of the debian console? can't read the descriptions of a bunch of packages cause the text is so huge |
| 00:59.46 | elkingrey | I couldn't find where to install abrowser |
| 00:59.48 | paxcoder | elkingrey, it doesn't seem to be in the repos |
| 00:59.52 | fchmmr | icecat comes with things to block facebook like buttons and similar |
| 00:59.59 | fchmmr | also, |
| 01:00.13 | fchmmr | it blocks non-trivial javascript code that it detects as obscured or non-free |
| 01:00.23 | fchmmr | and tries to contact the admins of a site when it finds them |
| 01:00.28 | elkingrey | hmm |
| 01:00.29 | paxcoder | hah |
| 01:00.30 | fchmmr | and it comes with other things like noscript too |
| 01:00.38 | fchmmr | basically icecat tries to protect your privacy |
| 01:00.39 | paxcoder | i don't use noscript |
| 01:00.41 | fchmmr | and its FSF-endorsed |
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| 01:00.56 | fchmmr | they actually are against iceweasel i think because it still recommends non-free plugins at times |
| 01:01.03 | paxcoder | right |
| 01:01.03 | fchmmr | btw, |
| 01:01.10 | fchmmr | i used icecat - others opinions may differ, |
| 01:01.14 | fchmmr | but i fonud it to be unusable |
| 01:01.21 | fchmmr | because of said plugins for blocking said things |
| 01:01.28 | fchmmr | better to use Tor if you are that concerned about privacy |
| 01:01.50 | chiel | paxcoder: installing drivers sadly doesn't solve my screen going black when pressing ctrl + alt + f1 :( |
| 01:02.11 | paxcoder | chiel, are you sure they're working? are you 3D-accelerated now? |
| 01:02.55 | chiel | ah, needed to restart i think |
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| 01:03.06 | chiel | text in the console is a LOT smaller as well now |
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| 01:03.53 | chiel | cool, that works now |
| 01:03.58 | chiel | seems it's a keyboard issue |
| 01:04.27 | paxcoder | how so? |
| 01:04.38 | paxcoder | doesn't evidence suggest otherwise? |
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| 01:05.47 | chiel | "The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: Warning: Multiple definitions of the FOUR_LEVEL_KEYPAD key type. Earlier definition ignored. Error: No symbols named 'std' in the include file 'macintosh_vndr/nl'. Exiting. Abandoning symbols file 'default'. Errors from xkbcomp are not datal to the X server" |
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| 01:06.22 | chiel | well, it seems that caused X to die, and then I guess something went wonky with the resolution or so. |
| 01:06.35 | chiel | the resolution is fine insofar that i can at least see the error now :p |
| 01:07.08 | fchmmr | did someone say they haev a problem with their apple keyboard? |
| 01:07.17 | chiel | fchmmr: yea, me. |
| 01:07.20 | fchmmr | i got here halfway through the conversation: |
| 01:07.24 | chiel | it was in the debian console first, that is fixed now |
| 01:07.24 | fchmmr | this is not for debian, |
| 01:07.29 | fchmmr | its an arch linux wiki page, |
| 01:07.31 | chiel | now i have problems in X :p |
| 01:07.33 | fchmmr | but it might help you: |
| 01:07.33 | fchmmr | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Apple_Keyboard |
| 01:07.43 | fchmmr | maybe the info there can help you |
| 01:07.52 | chiel | cheers, i'll have a looksee :) |
| 01:08.01 | fchmmr | arch linux wiki isnt just for arch linux :) |
| 01:08.09 | fchmmr | its useful for other distros too a lot of the time |
| 01:08.33 | chiel | yea, i can imagine |
| 01:08.38 | NotJimCarrey | how do i set up a second monitor as workspace #2 in xfce? |
| 01:08.56 | NotJimCarrey | or know if e17 can do it? |
| 01:09.06 | fchmmr | assuming your 2nd monitor is lets say DVI-1 |
| 01:09.10 | fchmmr | main one is DVI-0 |
| 01:09.15 | jimcooncat | where can I find md5 of debian-live-7.0.0-i386-standard.iso ? |
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| 01:09.32 | fchmmr | xrandr --auto --output DVI-1 --mode 1080p --right-of DVI-0 |
| 01:09.34 | NotJimCarrey | laptop. second monitor is hdmi |
| 01:09.40 | fchmmr | xrandr can tell you the names of each output |
| 01:09.52 | NotJimCarrey | thought xrandr didn't like nvidia |
| 01:09.57 | NotJimCarrey | oh, using nvidia |
| 01:09.59 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
| 01:10.00 | fchmmr | show me your xrandr output |
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| 01:10.03 | fchmmr | in pastebin |
| 01:10.07 | NotJimCarrey | k |
| 01:10.20 | chiel | fchmmr: somebody suggested earlier i should use setxkbmap |
| 01:10.48 | chiel | man, i gotta learn X i guess... my terminal is tiny in the top left corner, haha |
| 01:10.55 | fchmmr | chiel: i don't know how to help you but i remembered catching the words "Apple Keyboard" a few days ago when reading arch wiki, and i noticed your error for your keyboard said macintosh |
| 01:10.58 | chiel | i guess that's really where a window manager comes in? |
| 01:11.00 | fchmmr | im surprised it was even relevant to you |
| 01:11.10 | chiel | fchmmr: haha, thanks regardless :) |
| 01:11.12 | fchmmr | i merely gave you the link in the hopes it would help you |
| 01:11.16 | chiel | any help is always appreciated |
| 01:11.16 | fchmmr | other than that, im clueless |
| 01:11.55 | NotJimCarrey | xrandr: cannot find mode 1080p |
| 01:12.04 | fchmmr | ok, |
| 01:12.05 | NotJimCarrey | even though it's running at 1080 |
| 01:12.12 | fchmmr | just type the command "xrandr" on its own |
| 01:12.15 | fchmmr | and show me the output |
| 01:12.18 | NotJimCarrey | k |
| 01:12.24 | fchmmr | don't paste it here |
| 01:12.27 | fchmmr | use pastebin.com |
| 01:12.29 | NotJimCarrey | lol, yeah |
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| 01:12.34 | NotJimCarrey | pastebin coming up |
| 01:12.53 | fchmmr | i was only assuming 1080p |
| 01:12.58 | fchmmr | i need to see the actual xrandr output |
| 01:13.13 | NotJimCarrey | 1920x1080 |
| 01:13.14 | jimcooncat | nm, found it |
| 01:13.21 | fchmmr | ah |
| 01:13.23 | fchmmr | sorry |
| 01:13.26 | NotJimCarrey | waiting on pastebin |
| 01:13.34 | fchmmr | xrandr --auto --output DVI-1 --mode 1920x1080 --right-of DVI-0 |
| 01:13.34 | NotJimCarrey | third world internet=slow |
| 01:13.43 | fchmmr | but show me xrandr first |
| 01:13.43 | chiel | is there a way from the console to see the resolution currently being used/ |
| 01:13.45 | chiel | ?\ |
| 01:14.11 | fchmmr | which country are you in NotKinCarrey? |
| 01:14.17 | fchmmr | *NotJimCarrey |
| 01:14.33 | NotJimCarrey | http://pastebin.com/2rb6QmRt |
| 01:14.38 | NotJimCarrey | afghanistan |
| 01:14.48 | fchmmr | ok wait, |
| 01:14.53 | fchmmr | writing a command: |
| 01:15.18 | fchmmr | xrandr --auto --output HDMI-0 --mode 1920x1080 --right-of LVDS-0 |
| 01:15.22 | fchmmr | try that command |
| 01:15.56 | NotJimCarrey | hmm |
| 01:15.58 | NotJimCarrey | nothing |
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| 01:16.13 | fchmmr | ah |
| 01:16.14 | fchmmr | strange, |
| 01:16.20 | fchmmr | is that HDMI device a TV? |
| 01:16.31 | NotJimCarrey | projector |
| 01:16.38 | NotJimCarrey | but it's running at 1080 |
| 01:16.40 | fchmmr | it looks like it wasnts 30Hz output for 1080 |
| 01:16.43 | fchmmr | try this instead: |
| 01:16.59 | fchmmr | xrandr --auto --output HDMI-0 --mode 1280x720 --right-of LVDS-0 |
| 01:17.12 | fchmmr | oh |
| 01:17.14 | fchmmr | it worked? |
| 01:17.17 | fchmmr | (for 1080) |
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| 01:17.25 | elkingrey | I'm thinking about downloading the small installation image pc netinstall iso. I don't have a DVD/CD drive, only a USB flash drive. I do have a wired internet connection. How difficult is it to install this way? Is this the preferred method for my setup? Will I be able to choose FDE over whole disk? |
| 01:17.36 | fchmmr | if its a laptop, |
| 01:17.40 | NotJimCarrey | screen flashed, but output the same |
| 01:17.58 | fchmmr | there is a switch on your keyboard for setting output to laptop-only, laptop + external output or external output only |
| 01:18.01 | NotJimCarrey | LVDS-0 & HDMI-0 both on workspace0 |
| 01:18.34 | fchmmr | try this: |
| 01:18.43 | NotJimCarrey | ah, think my initial question may have been misleading |
| 01:19.19 | fchmmr | xrandr --auto --output HDMI-0 --mode 1920x1080 && xrandr --auto --output LVDS-0 --disable |
| 01:19.25 | fchmmr | (to turn off your laptop display) |
| 01:19.27 | NotJimCarrey | HDMI works, at 1080. but, but screens are on workspace0 with LVDS-0 on left, and HDMI-0 on right |
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| 01:19.33 | fchmmr | (and set projector output) |
| 01:19.51 | NotJimCarrey | trying to get LVDS-0 as workspace0 & HDMI-0 as workspace1 |
| 01:20.05 | fchmmr | dual monitor |
| 01:20.16 | fchmmr | what distro is it? |
| 01:20.41 | NotJimCarrey | debian |
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| 01:20.49 | NotJimCarrey | there's other distros? |
| 01:20.51 | NotJimCarrey | haha |
| 01:21.06 | fchmmr | not sure if its in debian repos' |
| 01:21.08 | fchmmr | but try this: |
| 01:21.09 | fchmmr | su - |
| 01:21.14 | fchmmr | apt-get install grandr |
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| 01:21.19 | fchmmr | grandr makes such things easier... |
| 01:21.24 | fchmmr | xrandr GUI frontend |
| 01:21.29 | fchmmr | you may already have it installed |
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| 01:21.43 | NotJimCarrey | not found, but i'll get the sourse |
| 01:21.49 | NotJimCarrey | s/sourse/source |
| 01:22.06 | fchmmr | its in the "debports" repo I think |
| 01:22.11 | fchmmr | according to this page: |
| 01:22.12 | fchmmr | http://packages.debian.org/sid/grandr |
| 01:22.26 | fchmmr | Debian 7.0 (Wheezy) 32-bit? |
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| 01:22.47 | NotJimCarrey | sid 32 |
| 01:23.09 | [deXter] | Hi folks, having constant WiFi disconnection issues on one of our Debian machines. Tried with kernel 3.2, 3,8 and also the mainline 3.9 kernel. Issue is randomly, around 2-3 times a day it gets disconnected from the WiFi and cannot re-connect (authentication failure), unless the PC and/or router is rebooted. Tried multiple USB adapters as well. My other computer is running Arch and it works fine on 3.9, and all other Windows and Android devices also work |
| 01:23.09 | [deXter] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:23.26 | fchmmr | try this: |
| 01:23.34 | fchmmr | nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:23.42 | NotJimCarrey | it's long |
| 01:23.42 | fchmmr | and add "debports" repo |
| 01:23.43 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
| 01:23.49 | fchmmr | then: |
| 01:23.51 | fchmmr | apt-get update |
| 01:23.53 | fchmmr | and then try: |
| 01:23.57 | fchmmr | apt-get install grandr |
| 01:24.08 | fchmmr | i dont know why it isnt included by default... |
| 01:24.11 | fchmmr | such a useful tool |
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| 01:25.19 | chiel | ok, noob question incoming |
| 01:25.23 | chiel | how do i quit x? :D |
| 01:25.30 | fchmmr | chiel: |
| 01:25.34 | fchmmr | i may be able to help |
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| 01:25.53 | fchmmr | in xorg config you can set a custom layout i think |
| 01:25.57 | fchmmr | maybe that will support apple |
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| 01:26.01 | chiel | ah |
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| 01:26.09 | fchmmr | Option "XkbLayout" "dvorak" |
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| 01:26.23 | fchmmr | (in my case, since I use US Dvorak layout) |
| 01:26.25 | chiel | it's not too big a deal really if thaat stuff doesn't work really, i'm only using the apple keyboard while setting this thing up |
| 01:26.25 | elkingrey | Can somebody point me to the md5sum of this download? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 01:26.31 | chiel | cause i had no other keyboard around |
| 01:27.18 | fchmmr | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg#Setting_keyboard_layout_with_hot-plugging |
| 01:27.34 | chiel | anybody here use i3 wm? |
| 01:27.42 | fchmmr | gnome also has its own layout options |
| 01:27.47 | fchmmr | in the gnome settings |
| 01:27.58 | NotJimCarrey | fchmmr: running apt-get update now |
| 01:28.34 | chiel | fchmmr: i don't have gnome though |
| 01:28.40 | n3rV3 | elkingrey, its at the same url: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
| 01:28.48 | chiel | i installed the most barebones debian i could without a de or anything |
| 01:28.51 | n3rV3 | *near |
| 01:28.54 | chiel | so i can learn more |
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| 01:29.08 | elkingrey | n3rV3: Thank you! I couldn't find that. |
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| 01:29.26 | moof2 | chiel, cool :) how's the learning going so far? |
| 01:29.29 | fchmmr | NotJimCarrey: try "su -c 'apt-get install grandr'" |
| 01:29.33 | fchmmr | then run grandr |
| 01:29.38 | fchmmr | try to set the dual monitor output how you like |
| 01:29.44 | fchmmr | chiel: |
| 01:30.08 | NotJimCarrey | running a git clone too, so update's taking a while |
| 01:30.10 | elkingrey | It just dawned on me, I'm about to try going all free software, but I use desk.com for work. How do I know if a website is going to work or not? I can't go all free software if I can't run desk.com. |
| 01:30.19 | fchmmr | chiel: see if debian has this file: /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.lst |
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| 01:30.24 | fchmmr | cat /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.lst | less |
| 01:30.31 | fchmmr | see if it says something for apple kbd |
| 01:30.46 | fchmmr | then use that <code> you find, |
| 01:30.50 | fchmmr | setxkbmap <code> |
| 01:31.03 | fchmmr | i believe this is what the others were suggesting |
| 01:31.12 | fchmmr | but that is only temporary |
| 01:31.15 | fchmmr | it won't survive a reboot |
| 01:31.46 | fchmmr | edit (or create the file) /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-keyboard.conf |
| 01:31.57 | fchmmr | assuming your xorg supports this |
| 01:32.10 | fchmmr | example (from arch wiki): |
| 01:32.10 | fchmmr | Section "InputClass" |
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| 01:32.28 | chiel | moof2: it's a tough road i'll tell you that much, haha |
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| 01:32.46 | chiel | moof2: basically, debian is fighting me every step of the way |
| 01:32.51 | chiel | fchmmr: oops lol :) |
| 01:32.59 | fchmmr | i was kicked for flooding |
| 01:33.03 | fchmmr | occupational hazard |
| 01:33.04 | chiel | haha yea, saw :) |
| 01:33.05 | moof2 | are you learning much about the comand line? |
| 01:33.08 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
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| 01:33.12 | fchmmr | anyway: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg#Setting_keyboard_layout_with_hot-plugging |
| 01:33.20 | fchmmr | in that file of keyboard layouts, |
| 01:33.20 | chiel | moof2: nah not really, i know most of that stuff already from using debian as a server |
| 01:33.26 | fchmmr | you could search for a apple one |
| 01:33.27 | chiel | using it as a desktop is very new to me |
| 01:33.29 | fchmmr | see if that works for you |
| 01:33.34 | fchmmr | use the example on that arch page |
| 01:33.34 | chiel | fchmmr: thanks, wil have a look in a sec :) |
| 01:34.12 | moof2 | ahh, so basics like cat ls cd mkdir, mid stuff like grep, more advanced like find? |
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| 01:34.30 | chiel | yea, got those under my toolbelt already |
| 01:34.34 | fchmmr | ah |
| 01:34.35 | chiel | now it's time to learn desktop-y stuff :p |
| 01:34.43 | moof2 | great :) |
| 01:34.43 | fchmmr | chiel: i may have a solution for you |
| 01:34.48 | chiel | fchmmr: :o |
| 01:34.55 | fchmmr | this time i will use pastebin |
| 01:35.03 | fchmmr | using this page as an example: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Apple_Keyboard |
| 01:35.13 | chiel | fchmmr: don't spend too much time on me, haha... i am just using the apple keyboard while i set this thing up. it will just sit and be connected to my tv :) |
| 01:35.26 | fchmmr | http://pastebin.com/gxhfBteK |
| 01:35.29 | fchmmr | use that text |
| 01:35.34 | fchmmr | and place it in this file: |
| 01:35.48 | fchmmr | su - |
| 01:35.53 | fchmmr | nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-keymap.conf |
| 01:36.00 | fchmmr | and use the text from that pastebin |
| 01:36.03 | fchmmr | then restart X |
| 01:36.10 | fchmmr | that may solve your problem with your keyboard |
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| 01:36.40 | fchmmr | NotJimCarrey: did you sort out the projector thing? |
| 01:36.49 | chiel | cool, will give that a shot :D |
| 01:36.59 | chiel | hrm, i need a browser on this thing |
| 01:37.05 | fchmmr | restarting X on debian, |
| 01:37.19 | fchmmr | you can issue these commands from your TTY (ctrl-alt-ff1): |
| 01:37.23 | fchmmr | service gdm stop |
| 01:37.23 | NotJimCarrey | fchmmr: not yet, had to change mirrors |
| 01:37.26 | fchmmr | service gdm start |
| 01:37.30 | fchmmr | assuming you use gdm |
| 01:37.48 | fchmmr | or just reboot your machine... bazooka-to-swat-a-fly approach |
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| 01:38.13 | fchmmr | or in your case: |
| 01:38.21 | fchmmr | command+F1? |
| 01:38.31 | freax | o_0 |
| 01:38.33 | fchmmr | apple keyboards dont have ctrl/alt |
| 01:38.47 | chiel | they do |
| 01:38.53 | fchmmr | oh |
| 01:38.57 | fchmmr | i stand corrected |
| 01:39.00 | chiel | ^^ |
| 01:39.01 | [deXter] | They don't have a Win key |
| 01:39.05 | chiel | so i'm curious |
| 01:39.06 | fchmmr | winkey |
| 01:39.09 | freax | fuck win keys |
| 01:39.12 | freax | oops |
| 01:39.16 | freax | sorry for swearing |
| 01:39.21 | chiel | ctrl-alt-f1 etc |
| 01:39.24 | chiel | changes "tty" |
| 01:39.35 | NotJimCarrey | wonder if i can get a debian key for my laptop |
| 01:39.36 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
| 01:39.36 | chiel | so if i `start`, it takes me back to a terminal, essentially |
| 01:39.40 | freax | but they're so infuriating |
| 01:39.49 | chiel | what if want to get back to x? |
| 01:39.51 | chiel | how does that work |
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| 01:39.59 | fchmmr | in TTY (not X), |
| 01:40.03 | fchmmr | restart your login manager |
| 01:40.07 | fchmmr | that should force X to restart |
| 01:40.18 | elkingrey | If I install Debian with non-free software, does that mean there will be blobs in the kernel? Or are blobs now completely out of the kernel even if a person installs with non-free software? |
| 01:40.25 | chiel | i don't mean to restart or anything |
| 01:40.25 | fchmmr | then Ctrl+alt+f7 (or is it f5 in debian) to gem to your login manager (X11) again |
| 01:40.33 | chiel | hmm |
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| 01:41.18 | fchmmr | do you know what login manager you are using? |
| 01:41.21 | chiel | fchmmr: very cool, thanks |
| 01:41.23 | chiel | nope :p |
| 01:41.23 | Quix86 | elkingrey, it means that you won't be free as in freedom and RMS will come to take your beer |
| 01:41.26 | Quix86 | as in free |
| 01:41.27 | chiel | i have no clue about this stuff :D |
| 01:41.35 | fchmmr | did you select "gnome" install? (default debian install) |
| 01:41.40 | chiel | but, i can switch from tty1 (whatever that means) back to x, which is kinda cool |
| 01:41.40 | chiel | nope |
| 01:41.44 | chiel | i didn't take any de |
| 01:41.47 | NotJimCarrey | chiel: run "ps ax|grep dm" |
| 01:41.55 | chiel | i turned eeeeverything off |
| 01:42.00 | chiel | just so i could have some fun while doing this |
| 01:42.02 | fchmmr | what NotJimCarrey said |
| 01:42.05 | NotJimCarrey | look for gdm/kdm/lightdm/etc |
| 01:42.07 | fchmmr | if ur not using a login manager, |
| 01:42.13 | fchmmr | then just logout |
| 01:42.20 | fchmmr | and youll be able to quit X |
| 01:42.31 | fchmmr | you use xinit/startx to start your window manager? |
| 01:42.33 | chiel | yea, i can ctrl-c it |
| 01:42.42 | chiel | i just thought it was kinda a disgusting way to do it, haha |
| 01:42.45 | chiel | startx |
| 01:42.48 | fchmmr | ok, |
| 01:42.54 | chiel | and i just installed i3 |
| 01:42.57 | chiel | as a window manager |
| 01:43.03 | fchmmr | make that change to your X config (as instructed for that file and the pastebin content), |
| 01:43.06 | fchmmr | if youve done that, |
| 01:43.07 | fchmmr | just logout |
| 01:43.10 | fchmmr | then use startx again |
| 01:43.13 | NotJimCarrey | if you use startx, logout returns to tty |
| 01:43.19 | fchmmr | that should already change your keyboard layout once you are back in X |
| 01:43.20 | chiel | hmm, it's actually fine |
| 01:43.23 | chiel | cause you see what i did |
| 01:43.32 | chiel | when i pressed ctrl+alt+f1 |
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| 01:43.37 | chiel | i thought x crashed |
| 01:43.41 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
| 01:43.42 | chiel | but all i did was switch to tty1... |
| 01:43.48 | chiel | don't judge me pls :'( |
| 01:43.52 | fchmmr | we don't |
| 01:43.52 | NotJimCarrey | i'm not |
| 01:43.54 | chiel | i am a desktop debian noob :D |
| 01:43.57 | chiel | i know, it was a joke |
| 01:44.02 | fchmmr | well, |
| 01:44.12 | fchmmr | nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-keymap.conf |
| 01:44.16 | fchmmr | and that pastebin content |
| 01:44.21 | fchmmr | did you make the change to that file? |
| 01:44.34 | fchmmr | http://pastebin.com/gxhfBteK |
| 01:44.35 | fchmmr | if so, |
| 01:44.39 | fchmmr | then just logout, |
| 01:44.42 | fchmmr | and use startx again |
| 01:44.50 | chiel | nope, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d isn't even there :p |
| 01:44.53 | fchmmr | yes |
| 01:44.54 | fchmmr | create it |
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| 01:45.17 | fchmmr | mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 01:45.22 | chiel | yea |
| 01:45.29 | chiel | sec, i need a browser |
| 01:45.34 | chiel | what browser do you guys use on debian? |
| 01:45.45 | fchmmr | mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 01:45.46 | freax | lynx |
| 01:45.47 | fchmmr | nano nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-keymap.conf |
| 01:45.50 | NotJimCarrey | chromium & firefox |
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| 01:45.56 | Arrowmaster | iceweasel |
| 01:45.57 | freax | wget |
| 01:46.03 | gnarface | iceweasel is where its at |
| 01:46.04 | fchmmr | copy the text from http://pastebin.com/gxhfBteK into that file |
| 01:46.08 | chiel | lol freax :D |
| 01:46.08 | fchmmr | ctrl+O |
| 01:46.09 | fchmmr | enter |
| 01:46.10 | gnarface | opera has surprisingly good support for debian though |
| 01:46.12 | fchmmr | ctrl+x |
| 01:46.15 | NotJimCarrey | i removed iceweasel and use firefox from source |
| 01:46.20 | fchmmr | then restart X (logout and use startx again) |
| 01:46.22 | chiel | fchmmr: yea one sec, i don't even have a browser on the other thing :p |
| 01:46.25 | fchmmr | sorry, |
| 01:46.28 | fchmmr | ctrl+O |
| 01:46.30 | fchmmr | ah |
| 01:46.30 | NotJimCarrey | but then again, i'm a glutten for punishment |
| 01:46.32 | fchmmr | thought it was azero |
| 01:46.39 | fchmmr | i did type o (letter) |
| 01:46.39 | chiel | also, vim > nano :D |
| 01:46.48 | fchmmr | if you like vim, go for it |
| 01:46.52 | chiel | love vim ^^ |
| 01:46.59 | fchmmr | i say nano because noobs love it |
| 01:47.01 | fchmmr | you said you were a noob |
| 01:47.02 | fchmmr | so... |
| 01:47.06 | fchmmr | and im not a noob |
| 01:47.09 | fchmmr | but i love nano |
| 01:47.10 | fchmmr | :) |
| 01:47.11 | NotJimCarrey | agrees with chiel, but didn't want to hurt fchmmr's feelings |
| 01:47.15 | chiel | when it comes to this desktop stuff, yea :) |
| 01:47.22 | fchmmr | in X11 i use gedit |
| 01:47.24 | chiel | when it comes to cli, i am quite experienced |
| 01:47.25 | fchmmr | or geany |
| 01:47.39 | fchmmr | i never bothered learning emacs/vi |
| 01:47.54 | NotJimCarrey | vim>>>>>>>>>emacs |
| 01:47.56 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
| 01:47.58 | chiel | i did it a few years ago |
| 01:48.04 | fchmmr | hey |
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| 01:48.07 | fchmmr | cat | less |
| 01:48.09 | fchmmr | touch |
| 01:48.10 | chiel | when i worked at a company where every dev got their own VM to work on |
| 01:48.14 | phogg | !start an editor war |
| 01:48.15 | dpkg | nano blows! |
| 01:48.15 | fchmmr | echo "blablabl" > file |
| 01:48.20 | fchmmr | hardcore |
| 01:48.31 | chiel | didn't want to mount it cause it was slow as fuuuuuck :p |
| 01:48.37 | phogg | fchmmr: real men use the standard text editor |
| 01:48.44 | chiel | anyway - i need a browser. what do you guys recommend? |
| 01:48.45 | chiel | ed. |
| 01:48.45 | chiel | :D |
| 01:48.56 | gnarface | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_%28text_editor%29 |
| 01:48.57 | NotJimCarrey | chiel: E: Unable to locate package grandr |
| 01:49.02 | fchmmr | real programmers? |
| 01:49.07 | NotJimCarrey | only one in repo is for m68k |
| 01:49.09 | fchmmr | http://xkcd.com/378/ |
| 01:49.13 | phogg | fchmmr: Real Men(tm) |
| 01:49.18 | fchmmr | phogg: http://xkcd.com/378/ |
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| 01:49.39 | freax | real programmers use editor |
| 01:49.46 | phogg | fchmmr: I've seen it, and that's not what I meant |
| 01:49.48 | reavengrey | gedit |
| 01:49.49 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
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| 01:49.52 | fchmmr | good lord |
| 01:49.52 | reavengrey | is the one true editor |
| 01:49.56 | fchmmr | ive started a holy war |
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| 01:49.58 | NotJimCarrey | hahaha |
| 01:50.00 | fchmmr | unintentionally |
| 01:50.02 | aristarchus | is there a good skype recorder that works on amd64? |
| 01:50.07 | NotJimCarrey | i actually prefer notepad++ |
| 01:50.15 | phogg | fchmmr: this is what the start an editor war factoid is for |
| 01:50.17 | NotJimCarrey | aristarchus: sort of |
| 01:50.19 | fchmmr | i like pen + paper sometimes |
| 01:50.20 | dashdotdam0 | so wich iso do i need to install wheexy? |
| 01:50.36 | aristarchus | NotJimCarrey: what's it called? |
| 01:50.37 | NotJimCarrey | aristarchus: ffmpeg -f alsa -ac 2 -i pulse -f x11grab -r 30 -s 1920x1080 -i :0.0+0,0 -acodec pcm_s16le -vcodec libx264 -preset ultrafast -crf 0 -threads 0 output.mkv |
| 01:50.43 | aristarchus | oh hahaha |
| 01:50.47 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
| 01:50.51 | NotJimCarrey | hey, it works |
| 01:50.55 | NotJimCarrey | and very well |
| 01:50.57 | aristarchus | hey, i'm not afraid of the command line |
| 01:51.03 | fchmmr | pen+paper doesn't require electricity |
| 01:51.08 | jaggz|2 | how can I see what's in my .ssh/authorized_keys file? it's encoded/encrypted data |
| 01:51.11 | fchmmr | and its cross-platform |
| 01:51.11 | freax | good, cause the command line is afraid of you |
| 01:51.13 | NotJimCarrey | i made it a script in ~/bin |
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| 01:51.40 | aristarchus | NotJimCarrey: what about recording both the microphone and the output audio? |
| 01:51.59 | chiel | hah, need to install like a million packages for iceweasel :D |
| 01:52.07 | NotJimCarrey | think it only does output audio, but then again, i use a mixer board, so i get both |
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| 01:53.59 | aristarchus | a virtual mixer |
| 01:54.03 | aristarchus | or a real one? |
| 01:54.07 | NotJimCarrey | real one |
| 01:54.10 | chiel | Arrowmaster: how do you start arrowmaster without it occupying a terminal? :p |
| 01:54.11 | aristarchus | ahhh |
| 01:54.28 | NotJimCarrey | xenyx302usb |
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| 01:54.49 | NotJimCarrey | pulseaudio loves it |
| 01:54.53 | Arrowmaster | chiel: dont run it from a terminal |
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| 01:55.15 | aristarchus | i can record output audio or mic audio with pulse but not both at the same time |
| 01:55.17 | Arrowmaster | alt-f2 if you are in a desktop environment like gnome |
| 01:55.18 | aristarchus | i don't get that |
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| 01:55.31 | Arrowmaster | or launch it from a manu |
| 01:55.37 | chiel | Arrowmaster: i don't have a desktop environment installed, haha. :p is that the only way? |
| 01:55.44 | NotJimCarrey | aristarchus: i never got it either, it's why i went with an actual mixer |
| 01:55.50 | Arrowmaster | chiel: are you in X |
| 01:55.54 | chiel | i am |
| 01:56.03 | chiel | is that a de? |
| 01:56.09 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 01:56.10 | AndrewX192 | Are there any special locale warnings that apply to chroots I should be aware of (I'm having problems with defaulting to the "C" locale, despite generating the en_US.UTF-8 locale multiple times. |
| 01:56.18 | chiel | shows how much i know \o/ |
| 01:56.19 | Arrowmaster | im just wondering what exactly you have |
| 01:56.24 | chiel | ah right |
| 01:56.30 | chiel | i have X + i3 installed at the moment |
| 01:57.01 | Arrowmaster | give alt-f2 a try |
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| 01:57.37 | AndrewX192 | "locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory", despite creating /etc/locale.conf |
| 01:57.42 | chiel | hmm |
| 01:57.52 | Arrowmaster | other than that i have no clue of what i3 offers to know if it has a menu to launch programs from |
| 01:58.07 | Arrowmaster | right clicking on the desktop is another good thing to try |
| 01:58.10 | chiel | doesn't seem to do anything. i'll figure it out :) |
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| 01:58.33 | chiel | gotta learn i3 as well, so... plenty to do, hehe |
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| 02:01.51 | chiel | Arrowmaster: got it. it's alt-d and then type name of an application \o/ |
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| 02:04.32 | NotJimCarrey | fchmmr: ran grandr, changed the layout with HDMI to right instead of both in the same block, but no changes |
| 02:04.35 | NotJimCarrey | gah |
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| 02:05.53 | NotJimCarrey | beginning to wonder if it's even possible in xfce |
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| 02:07.56 | fchmmr | NotJimCarrey: try a different res for your projector |
| 02:07.59 | fchmmr | not 1920x1080 |
| 02:08.08 | fchmmr | maybe same res as your laptop |
| 02:08.10 | fchmmr | 1280x800? |
| 02:08.21 | NotJimCarrey | they're both 1080 |
| 02:08.35 | fchmmr | intel video chip? |
| 02:08.39 | fchmmr | GMA? |
| 02:08.40 | NotJimCarrey | nvidia |
| 02:08.42 | fchmmr | oh |
| 02:08.52 | fchmmr | 1 year ago, |
| 02:08.57 | fchmmr | i had a laptop (i don't have anymore), |
| 02:09.00 | fchmmr | it had nvidia |
| 02:09.07 | fchmmr | and i could not get a 2nd display working |
| 02:09.10 | fchmmr | it would always be blank |
| 02:09.13 | fchmmr | same problem as you have |
| 02:09.35 | fchmmr | Dell Vostro 1710 |
| 02:09.36 | NotJimCarrey | well, this one's working, but can't get them on seperate workspaces |
| 02:09.42 | fchmmr | yes, |
| 02:09.48 | NotJimCarrey | i really think it's an xfce problem |
| 02:09.49 | fchmmr | you mean you can have the projector as output only |
| 02:09.56 | fchmmr | but not in a dual setup with your laptop display |
| 02:10.02 | fchmmr | but on your laptop keyboard, |
| 02:10.02 | NotJimCarrey | no, i'm running both outputs |
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| 02:10.09 | fchmmr | there is a Fn key |
| 02:10.14 | fchmmr | and at the top there is a symbol somewhere, |
| 02:10.19 | fchmmr | to change the laptops output |
| 02:10.30 | NotJimCarrey | LVDS-0 is the left side of workspace0, and HDMI-0 is the right side |
| 02:10.48 | fchmmr | does your projector support VGA? |
| 02:10.51 | NotJimCarrey | so it's one long workspace |
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| 02:11.02 | fchmmr | i noticed your xrandr said your laptop had VGA out too |
| 02:11.05 | NotJimCarrey | yeah, but don't have the adapter in country |
| 02:11.11 | fchmmr | maybe its a bug |
| 02:11.18 | fchmmr | i mean your drivers with hdmi |
| 02:11.24 | fchmmr | i was going to suggest trying VGA instead |
| 02:12.08 | NotJimCarrey | gonna try e17 if i ever finish getting the source |
| 02:12.12 | Mike98632 | For some reason the Internet on an old desktop of mine is no longer working over ethernet. Is there a way for me to diagnose the issue? |
| 02:12.21 | freax | wriggle the cable |
| 02:12.26 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
| 02:12.28 | freax | replace the cable |
| 02:12.35 | NotJimCarrey | refuse to use gnome or kde |
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| 02:13.22 | chiel | cool, just installed openssh-server, now i can at least ssh into the box |
| 02:13.26 | chiel | more practical. |
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| 02:13.49 | freax | i dunno I still like the old serial cable |
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| 02:18.49 | NotJimCarrey | yay, finally past 10% of e17 source git |
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| 02:23.54 | chiel | man |
| 02:24.01 | chiel | my brain got such an information overload today |
| 02:24.03 | chiel | awesome |
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| 02:25.08 | freax | chiel: come into #debian-offtopic |
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| 02:31.03 | chiel | hmm, trying to mount my NAS over nfs now |
| 02:31.06 | chiel | it's not working :p |
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| 02:40.04 | chiel | hrm.. i get "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on 192.168.2.2:/volume1/blackhole" |
| 02:40.45 | internat | nfs probably isnt installed |
| 02:40.56 | internat | beat my head against that for an hr the other day |
| 02:41.50 | chiel | yea, just found that out, thanks :D |
| 02:41.58 | internat | no problems :) |
| 02:42.01 | chiel | so you need to run an nfs server locally? |
| 02:42.04 | chiel | to use nfs, or? |
| 02:42.10 | internat | no just the client components |
| 02:42.49 | chiel | right, so nfs-common and portmap |
| 02:42.55 | internat | yep |
| 02:43.26 | internat | i spent 4 hours trying to work out why my RHEL kickstart wouldnt install some things the other day, until i worked out that id forgotten the nfs tools |
| 02:43.39 | chiel | hah xD |
| 02:43.43 | chiel | that sucks |
| 02:43.58 | chiel | i was banging my head against the wall for hours today just getting a debian netinstall working |
| 02:44.08 | internat | yeah, it was in the busybox installer, so i couldnt see much. took me a while. first thing i check now |
| 02:44.48 | chiel | hm |
| 02:44.55 | chiel | how do you unmount an nfs rive? |
| 02:44.57 | chiel | drive* |
| 02:45.19 | internat | umount /mount/point |
| 02:46.00 | chiel | ah, i was trying unmount, lol :) |
| 02:46.17 | chiel | cool |
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| 02:47.23 | chiel | it's so weird that you need to mount it into an existing directory ^^ |
| 02:47.56 | chiel | sweet, this works well |
| 02:48.28 | chiel | now i just have to set up eeeeverything else i want on this thing |
| 02:48.29 | chiel | >_> |
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| 02:51.35 | chiel | hmm... guess i'll start with xbmc ^^ |
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| 02:54.18 | chiel | do any of you run xbmc on debian? |
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| 02:56.04 | freax | what terminal fonts do you guys use? |
| 02:57.16 | chiel | bitstream vera sans mono |
| 02:59.47 | freax | nice, thanks |
| 03:01.04 | chiel | ^^ |
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| 03:19.05 | chiel | rht, it's 5.20 here, i should probably go to sleep :p |
| 03:19.38 | chiel | right* even :p |
| 03:19.49 | chiel | thanks everyone for all the help today, toodles. |
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| 03:39.47 | owen1 | i use awesomeWM. how to kill x-server and go back to the login? |
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| 03:40.15 | owen1 | (i want to be able to 'startx' again) |
| 03:40.28 | NotJimCarrey | assuming you use gdm, as root, run: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 03:40.34 | Kirito | If I have a Kernel from backports and I'm upgrading to wheezy, should I downgrade/uninstall the kernel from backports before upgrading? |
| 03:40.42 | pfred1 | I think they want to shut their DM down |
| 03:41.03 | owen1 | NotJimCarrey: i don't have gdm in init.d |
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| 03:41.20 | NotJimCarrey | if you're not using a DM,just logout |
| 03:41.26 | pfred1 | Debian uses sub directories |
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| 03:41.53 | owen1 | NotJimCarrey: i only have terminals. how to logout? exit just close the terminal. |
| 03:42.13 | Bronze | control-D |
| 03:42.14 | seth | I get an error when trying to install revelation password manager from the latest stable source. |
| 03:42.23 | seth | configure: error: Package requirements (pygtk-2.0 >= 2.8.0) were not met: |
| 03:42.23 | seth | No package 'pygtk-2.0' found |
| 03:42.25 | NotJimCarrey | what Bronze said |
| 03:42.33 | pfred1 | owen1 are you saying you are at a console and want to get to an X session? |
| 03:42.51 | NotJimCarrey | i think he's saying his X session is only consoles |
| 03:42.54 | NotJimCarrey | no WM |
| 03:43.05 | seth | In the past I have installed a newer version from synaptic, and then installed from source over it and had no problem. But I don't want to do that if I don't have to. |
| 03:43.26 | seth | Excuse me, installed an OLDER version from synaptic |
| 03:43.30 | owen1 | pfred1: NotJimCarrey i ase a WM (i3 at the moment). i want to kill x and go back to the terminal login page. |
| 03:43.33 | seth | and then installed the newer over it. |
| 03:43.36 | pfred1 | seth /usr/local is on your path first |
| 03:43.47 | owen1 | where i can enter my user/password and later on run 'startx' |
| 03:43.54 | seth | pfredl: What do you mean? |
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| 03:44.16 | seth | pfred1 |
| 03:44.19 | pfred1 | seth if you install a source package to /usr/local it'll run before a debian binary installed package will |
| 03:44.41 | Kirito | I have Linux 3.2.0.0.bpo.4-amd64 installed from Debian backports. Should I remove this before upgrading to wheezy? |
| 03:44.47 | owen1 | i tried pxill xinit, but i saw black screen forever and had to shutdown |
| 03:45.03 | owen1 | i mean pkill xinit |
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| 03:45.04 | pfred1 | owen1 by black screen do you mean a console? |
| 03:45.05 | seth | pfred1: So, you're saying it's no problem to just go ahead and install the older version from the package manager? |
| 03:45.13 | owen1 | pfred1: no. just black screen. |
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| 03:45.25 | pfred1 | seth it is no problem to have two of a program |
| 03:45.28 | owen1 | i tried ctrl+alt f2 but it didn't show me anything |
| 03:45.38 | pfred1 | seth you can even run them bot hat the same time |
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| 03:45.51 | pfred1 | I do it with mplayer |
| 03:45.54 | superlinux-hp | hi. I have downloaded and built linux 3.9.2 latest stable. and it works just fine. |
| 03:46.09 | seth | pfred1: Okay, thanks! But do you have any idea why I get this error when trying to install from source if I haven't already got the older version installed from package manager? |
| 03:46.49 | pfred1 | seth hmmm package managers can make their own problems |
| 03:47.03 | pfred1 | problems i can't always figure out how to fix "right" |
| 03:47.17 | seth | Okay, no worries. |
| 03:47.19 | superlinux-hp | all i need to check now is whether the AMD-ATI VGA driver version 13.4 will be able to compile correctly. |
| 03:47.57 | pfred1 | seth I thought you meant out of repo source |
| 03:48.20 | owen1 | i also tried 'pkill x' and the same black screen shows up |
| 03:48.22 | pfred1 | the only times I play with source is when Debian's binaries are just too old |
| 03:48.47 | pfred1 | I had that problem with Blender |
| 03:49.09 | seth | pfred1: That's what I'm doing now. My passwords file is saved on version 0.4.14, but debian's binary is only 0.4.13, and it won't work. |
| 03:49.22 | seth | pfred1: I can't open it until I get 0.4.14 installed. |
| 03:49.45 | seth | pfred1: So, I have to install from source. Would like to not have to depend on debian binary to get 'er done, though. |
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| 03:50.29 | pfred1 | seth if you build the upstream source and choose the default /usr/local things should just work |
| 03:50.50 | pfred1 | as in don't use debian's source package |
| 03:51.00 | seth | pfred1: I don't know how to do that. |
| 03:51.31 | pfred1 | because debian's source packages come with configuration scripts so the ybuild the debian way |
| 03:51.32 | seth | I feel like all I need to do it get that last dependency and I'm good. |
| 03:51.52 | pfred1 | yeah you can run into dep problems going out of repo |
| 03:52.04 | pfred1 | that is the downside |
| 03:52.25 | pfred1 | like libs may be too old for newer source to compile against |
| 03:52.28 | seth | pfred1: Actually, it's funny. The Fedora repo is up to date, and that's where I created the file. |
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| 03:53.15 | megha | which pkg to install to check the ipaddr of my machine ? |
| 03:53.26 | pfred1 | then you can install alternate libs and use an LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable with a wrapper script |
| 03:53.38 | seth | pfred1: Then I switched to Ubuntu for like a week, figured the only way to do it was install the Ubuntu Binary underneath the newer source install. Would like to not have to do it again for Fedora, though. Looks Iike I have to |
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| 03:53.47 | pfred1 | I had to do that to get Eagle to run on Debian |
| 03:54.42 | seth | pfred1: Do you see any security concern with being lazy and installing the debian binary underneath the new source install? |
| 03:54.59 | pfred1 | sometimes I get a bit annoyed when some distros have to be so cutting edge about everything |
| 03:55.15 | seth | pfred1: Yeah, Fedora is like that. |
| 03:55.22 | pfred1 | well when you "fool" your package manager it can come back and haunt you later |
| 03:55.26 | seth | It's great it you never leave. =) |
| 03:55.44 | pfred1 | no can it will just a question of when |
| 03:56.10 | seth | pfred1: Wait, you're saying bad idea to install older binary underneath newer source install? |
| 03:57.04 | pfred1 | seth it is never good to circumvent package management although I understand sometimes it is the most expedient method to take |
| 03:58.01 | seth | pfred1: Would you be willing to teach me and walk me through this? |
| 03:58.09 | pfred1 | what you're supposed to do is build your own custom package |
| 03:58.32 | pfred1 | but that is beyond me at this point I just live with the inconsistencies |
| 03:58.42 | seth | hah, okay. I may have to as well. |
| 03:59.06 | seth | The newest stable is 1 year old, too. When is debian going to get on it? |
| 03:59.10 | pfred1 | yeah sometimes when you upgrade a system some things don't work and you have to go back and do whatever it is you did all over again |
| 03:59.13 | freax | back in ye olden days all you ever did was manually install programs and compile |
| 03:59.20 | freax | it was a nightmare if something went wrong |
| 03:59.26 | freax | I'm never going back there, ever |
| 03:59.32 | pfred1 | freax yeah I ran slackware for like 8 years |
| 03:59.41 | pfred1 | finally I said I don't have time for this! |
| 03:59.52 | freax | I remember when dselect was a new thing :P |
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| 04:00.07 | pfred1 | I can remember sweating bullets trying to get through dselect |
| 04:00.13 | freax | haha |
| 04:00.13 | freax | ' |
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| 04:00.36 | pfred1 | what do you mean I can't have those two things? |
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| 04:01.19 | pfred1 | this conflicts with that... |
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| 04:01.22 | seth | pfred1: What is the debian equivalent of yum provides? |
| 04:01.56 | pfred1 | I just use aptitude and it pulls in deps |
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| 04:02.07 | pfred1 | there is a command to figure out deps |
| 04:02.39 | pfred1 | seth I'll just say it isn't something I do very often |
| 04:02.46 | freax | rpm |
| 04:02.52 | freax | I still have nightmares about rpm |
| 04:02.53 | seth | ok fair enough |
| 04:02.54 | megha | which pkg to install to check the ipaddr of my machine ? |
| 04:03.04 | pfred1 | freax rpm is a lot like dpkg |
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| 04:03.20 | freax | indeed |
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| 04:03.24 | freax | dpkg i remember using |
| 04:03.24 | dpkg | wish i knew, freax |
| 04:03.25 | pfred1 | megha ifconfig? |
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| 04:03.34 | megha | pfred1: yes |
| 04:04.26 | pfred1 | megha net-tools: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 04:04.52 | pfred1 | dlocate -S {filename} says |
| 04:05.44 | megha | pfred1: :) |
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| 04:06.06 | pfred1 | seth apt-cache depends {packagename} might be what you were asking about |
| 04:06.35 | seth | no luck, thanks though. |
| 04:06.45 | pfred1 | seth apt-cache rdepends {packagename} |
| 04:06.57 | seth | still nothing |
| 04:07.00 | pfred1 | apt-cache showpkg {packagename} |
| 04:07.10 | pfred1 | apt-rdepends {packagename} |
| 04:07.21 | seth | nothing, it's really weird |
| 04:07.25 | pfred1 | you have to install some of these |
| 04:07.34 | pfred1 | they don't come with the default install |
| 04:07.46 | seth | It's not giving me command fails |
| 04:08.05 | pfred1 | apt-cache policy {packagename} |
| 04:08.31 | seth | nope |
| 04:08.54 | pfred1 | well that is the extent of my package-fu on Debian |
| 04:09.35 | seth | Here's a quick question. |
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| 04:10.18 | seth | I decided to run aptitude install revelation and look at the dependencies it wants me to install. Maybe I should install all of those and then see if I can install from source without needing the binary |
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| 04:11.02 | seth | However, the dependencies have {a} after each name. What's that? |
| 04:11.07 | pfred1 | well you'd need the dev packages of all of the deps |
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| 04:11.25 | s3a | is it normal for the erasing of a partion on the wheezy installer to stay at 0% despite 20 minutes passing? |
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| 04:11.38 | s3a | i chose lvm and encryption and the hdd is a 5400 rpm 750 gb hdd |
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| 04:11.53 | seth | s3a: I waited forever, and then just hit cancel, and everything seemed to process fine after that. Don't know if it was right or not. |
| 04:12.16 | s3a | seth, so, you're saying you believe it's a bug? |
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| 04:12.25 | pfred1 | seth to build source you need to install dev packages |
| 04:12.34 | seth | s3a: I don't have the skills to pass that sort of judgment, but yes. |
| 04:13.53 | seth | s3a: Also, in the manual they say that when you are presented with the first GRUB question, to say NO, and then choose something on the next page. But that's a lie, at least in my case. It needed to install to the first hard disk partition in order to finish. |
| 04:14.07 | seth | s3a: And it didn't install to my USB like it said it would. |
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| 04:15.13 | s3a | seth, alright, i'll file it tomorrow or the day after or something like that unless someone beats me to it. it seems like a bug to me too since the same thing happened to me. thanks for your input. |
| 04:15.45 | seth | s3a: Welcome, glad I could help. Probably first time ever for me on IRC. I'm always the one getting help. |
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| 04:16.03 | s3a | seth, lol. :) |
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| 04:23.14 | s3a | if i want to upgrade a i386 system to an amd64 system, do i just need to (1) tell dpkg to make amd64 default instead of i386, (2)get a 64 bit kernel and (3) get all the packages I want with the :amd64 prefix and that's it? |
| 04:23.53 | s3a | (thanks to wheezy's multiarch) |
| 04:24.25 | seth | Bad news, I am unable to get a successful ./configure even after installing debian's revelation binary |
| 04:24.36 | Arrowmaster | s3a: see http://wiki.debian.org/Migrate32To64Bit |
| 04:24.46 | pfred1 | seth I told you you have to install the dev packages |
| 04:25.01 | seth | pfred1: I don't know what you mean or what I need to do. |
| 04:25.02 | pfred1 | seth the deps don't install ehe headers |
| 04:25.22 | pfred1 | OK sec |
| 04:25.24 | seth | k |
| 04:27.43 | s3a | seth, i'm kind of sleepy now so i could be sayign stupidities but packages have a -dev suffixed |
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| 04:27.55 | s3a | there are packages that have* |
| 04:28.27 | seth | s3a: Yeah, but I don't know which -dev packages need to be installed. |
| 04:28.35 | seth | pfred1: is taking a look, though. |
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| 04:30.58 | s3a | Arrowmaster, so if i did only what i said and not all that then it wouldn't work? |
| 04:31.13 | Arrowmaster | probably not |
| 04:31.29 | s3a | o :( |
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| 04:31.42 | s3a | Arrowmaster, ok, thanks. i'll look into later when i'm more refreshed |
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| 04:32.11 | s3a | seth, do you have a readme that says what the deps are? |
| 04:33.02 | s3a | there's also apt-get build-dep package_you_want_deps_for |
| 04:33.09 | seth | s3a: Yeah, it says one of the deps is pygtk 2.8 which is what I'm struggling to find. I'm installing python-gtk2-dev right now, so we'll see. |
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| 04:33.49 | s3a | that sounds right to me |
| 04:34.28 | s3a | seth, i hope it works for you :) |
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| 04:36.14 | s3a | i'm feeling a little dissapointed me in myself because i accidentally made the wheezy installer continue and installing additional stuff than i wanted it to, lol. :( |
| 04:36.29 | s3a | in myself* |
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| 04:40.21 | s3a | Arrowmaster, if you care, i found this ( http://www.ewan.cc/?q=node/36 ) which seems better than the debian wiki link from a quick look |
| 04:41.31 | Arrowmaster | s3a: well first off part 2 of that is wrong because thats not how debian does multiarch, its written for ubuntus method |
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| 04:42.39 | s3a | o |
| 04:42.47 | s3a | what exactly is wrong about that part? |
| 04:43.08 | s3a | i just noticed it said it's for ubuntu 12.04 |
| 04:43.19 | Arrowmaster | all of it |
| 04:43.23 | s3a | i saw only the debian wheezy part above |
| 04:43.26 | s3a | o :( |
| 04:43.38 | s3a | the link looks so aesthetically pleasing lol |
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| 04:46.46 | s3a | ok thanks Arrowmaster for telling me the link's steps aren't good for debian. i'm going to prepare to go to bed now. goodnight if it's night for you people too! :) |
| 04:49.15 | NotJimCarrey | to put it into perspective, it's taken 2.5 hours to go from 10% to 20% of git clone for e17 |
| 04:49.18 | NotJimCarrey | geez |
| 04:49.41 | NotJimCarrey | i hate my internet |
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| 05:08.20 | superlinux-hp | ok. I have moved to kernel 3.9.2 . it works fine. I am currently on it. for ATI AMD proprietary driver i had to upgrade it to version 13.4. |
| 05:08.33 | superlinux-hp | i am debian wheezy btw |
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| 05:09.22 | mumpitzel | superlinux-hp: I hope you did a simple sid backport |
| 05:09.36 | superlinux-hp | mumpitzel, nope |
| 05:09.49 | superlinux-hp | i used the vanella kernel |
| 05:10.04 | superlinux-hp | but i have wheezy backports installed |
| 05:10.40 | mumpitzel | I didn't write anything at all about the kernel but your ati fglrx |
| 05:11.10 | superlinux-hp | mumpitzel, i know it's nothing, but it's 1 hour and 3 minutes uptime on kernel 3.9.2 |
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| 05:26.53 | owen1 | is there a file i can cat that gives me the battery level? acpi works, but my WM (i3) wants a path to a file. |
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| 05:29.43 | mumpitzel | find /proc -name |grep bat or so. there are files for battery under /proc |
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| 05:34.49 | owen1 | mumpitzel: find /proc -name "*bat*" => nothing |
| 05:35.05 | owen1 | (as sudo) |
| 05:35.54 | themill | owen1: /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/ |
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| 05:39.06 | owen1 | themill: thanks |
| 05:39.32 | NotJimCarrey | is there a way to resume git? cause every time my isp desides i need to re-login, i have to restart the clone again |
| 05:39.45 | ariqz | debian wanted special non-free drivers for my laptop's wifi chipset, which didn't surprise me. I've had to get drivers for it in other "free" linux distros, but it's also not taking my external wifi antenna that works just fine in other free distros, which is quite frustrating :P |
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| 05:40.13 | ariqz | I don't suppose there are drivers for more wifi hidden away on one of the 3 dvds? |
| 05:40.35 | themill | ariqz: what device is this? If it needs non-free firmware, it won't be on any of the DVDs |
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| 05:41.50 | ariqz | Ralink 3070 chipset |
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| 05:42.39 | themill | !rt3070 |
| 05:42.40 | dpkg | Ralink 802.11n/g USB chipsets (RT2070, RT2770, RT2870, RT3070, RT3071, RT3072, RT3370, RT3572, RT5370, RT5372) are supported by the rt2x00 project's rt2800usb driver, introduced in Linux 2.6.31. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb |
| 05:43.46 | themill | ariqz: so yes, you would need to get a firmware package from non-free; /msg dpkg ralink firmware |
| 05:43.53 | ariqz | thannnks |
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| 05:46.19 | ariqz | although I can't do it how dpkg says because I can't update without wifi. I'll have to download whatever is needed and transfer it with a flash drive or such |
| 05:46.36 | themill | ariqz: yeah, it's a single .deb that you can download from packages.debian.org |
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| 06:19.03 | apm1 | i did a netinstall of debiankfreebsd-i386 last night pulled xfce and a couple of other things too (build-essential etc) compared to the squeeze version this one is awesome |
| 06:19.23 | apm1 | whoever maintains it great job guys |
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| 06:20.38 | apm1 | however there are a few linux only upstream packages that exist in the repos but lack some dependencies |
| 06:21.22 | apm1 | ones that i tried installing but thing didn't work out for them "gufw nm chromium-browser" |
| 06:21.26 | ChibaPet | There's a channel - #debian-kbsd - on oftc. Might be worth your checking in there. |
| 06:22.37 | apm1 | ChibaPet, thanks man i know abt it , but i have a policy of not using any other irc than freenode |
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| 06:23.16 | ChibaPet | Disjoint populations, so your chance of getting issues addressed in here is smaller. As for me, I've not got a permanent installation of it running yet. |
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| 06:25.52 | apm1 | ChibaPet, the only thing that puzzles me is why did the devs strip most of the non-free stuff from the BSD kernel before implementing the damn thing , iirc there is a bug report that points to that stuff being incompatible with debian-freesoftware-guideline |
| 06:26.52 | apm1 | if thats the case is there some sorta firmware_kfreebsd like there is firmware linux on debian GNU/Linux |
| 06:27.16 | apm1 | you know a package that has those non-free stuff |
| 06:27.22 | apm1 | a meta package even |
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| 06:28.42 | ChibaPet | I don't know of one, but I've not encountered any hardware yet where I've needed it. I'd suggest maybe checking out a mailing list for the port, if you don't want to use the OFTC channel. I'd like to help, but I'm insufficiently clued-in to do so. |
| 06:29.24 | apm1 | thanks anyway man :) |
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| 06:35.47 | apm1 | ChibaPet, one more thing , last night i was reading an article about how the said author of that article feels kfreebsd port is keeping debian behind in dev by not letting the devs implement systemd , since systemd is currently not mature enough to suppost even a linux kernel base , this points to the author being pro systemd , but since the question involves debian gnu/linux and kfreebsd together it confuses me as to if debian switched to systemd beyond jes |
| 06:35.48 | apm1 | sie or something will that effectively diverge kfreebsd userland from the linux version's , currently they look the same to me , both use sysV init ? |
| 06:35.59 | apm1 | *jessie |
| 06:36.28 | apm1 | *support |
| 06:36.28 | ChibaPet | I've heard nothing suggesting that Debian's going to do that, and I imagine there'd be a fair amount of resistance. |
| 06:37.07 | apm1 | i think there are gonna be altercation this debcon XD |
| 06:40.02 | ariqz | why don't ifconfig and iwconfig work? :P |
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| 06:41.24 | apm1 | ariqz, wheezy ? |
| 06:41.27 | SatsueiGishi | is anybody here a sys admin and wouldnt mind talking to an aspiring one to answer a few questions |
| 06:41.31 | ariqz | yeah |
| 06:41.52 | apm1 | ariqz, works here on wheezy , not on sid though |
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| 06:42.14 | ariqz | the commands don't even exist for me |
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| 06:42.41 | smw | ariqz, got to run it as root |
| 06:42.49 | ChibaPet | ariqz: Are they simply not in your path? ls -l /sbin/ifconfig |
| 06:43.08 | smw | ariqz, if you are not root, you can't run applications in /sbin |
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| 06:43.57 | smw | SatsueiGishi, if you never ask a question, I guarantee no one will answer. |
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| 06:45.07 | SatsueiGishi | thats true but didnt know if anybody in here was a sys admin but ill go ahead and ask |
| 06:45.20 | apm1 | SatsueiGishi, if your queries are philosophical / advice related please take them in #debian-offtopic |
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| 06:45.31 | SatsueiGishi | ok will do |
| 06:45.57 | smw | SatsueiGishi, this is a linux irc channel. You are sure to find quite a few of them in here |
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| 06:55.43 | tgs3_ | how to make user foo automatic login without asking for password? I can use gdm or kdm login manager or whatever |
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| 06:58.46 | fluffybunnyuk__ | hii im trying to chroot and im getting no such file .anyone know what to do? |
| 06:59.16 | tgs3_ | fluffybunnyuk__: did you set up there environment in that directory, including chroot/bin/bash and it's dependencies, libraries? |
| 06:59.20 | mumpitzel | the program you want to start inside your chroot lacks one or more shared libs |
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| 07:00.08 | fluffybunnyuk__ | yes i have working bin/bash and bin/env that links to /lib and /lib64 |
| 07:00.20 | tgs3_ | fluffybunnyuk__: you can check the libs with few things, from strace program to afair... nm? or ld? ldd? |
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| 07:00.31 | stojic | tgs3_: this should work for GDM3: http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1462 |
| 07:00.32 | mumpitzel | tgs3_: ldd |
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| 07:00.52 | fluffybunnyuk__ | ldd show links to libs and i readelf the libs on that path |
| 07:01.03 | tgs3_ | fluffybunnyuk__: it must be copied, not symlinked imo, that's the reason of chroot afair. especially on hardened chroot (grsecurity) but also normall it seems |
| 07:01.04 | fluffybunnyuk__ | alls fine |
| 07:01.44 | fluffybunnyuk__ | i didnt mean symlinked i meant the binarries can find the libraries ok |
| 07:01.57 | tgs3_ | fluffybunnyuk__: try stracing executing it |
| 07:02.00 | themill | fluffybunnyuk__: perhaps you could pastebin the commands and full output from some of this |
| 07:02.05 | fluffybunnyuk__ | mostly cos im using them for my environment right now |
| 07:02.30 | tgs3_ | strace it |
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| 07:03.41 | fluffybunnyuk__ | chroot /mnt/build /tools/bin/env -i HOME=/root TERM="$TERM" PS1='\u:\w\$ ' PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/tools/bin /tools/bin/bash --login +h |
| 07:04.26 | tgs3_ | fluffybunnyuk__: strace it up in the butt |
| 07:04.45 | themill | fluffybunnyuk__: and (from outside the chroot) does /mnt/build/tools/bin/{env,bash} exist? that's an odd layout |
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| 07:05.32 | tgs3_ | themill: oh here you are. YOu surly know how to enable kdm3 or gdm3 auto login into user foo? enable it from CLI best, without need to enter root pass in X ( |
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| 07:05.54 | themill | tgs3_: no idea, never wanted to do something like that |
| 07:05.56 | fluffybunnyuk__ | yupn it exists |
| 07:06.06 | elkingrey | I've just switched over to Debian from Ubuntu and I'd like to use Icedove, but I don't know how to transfer all of my email and such over to icedove. |
| 07:06.45 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I've just upgraded to Wheezy and my MySQL does not start. The init.d script does nothing. Please help :( |
| 07:06.45 | tgs3_ | elkingrey: google firefox backup |
| 07:06.53 | tgs3_ | hid3: check /var/log/mysql things? |
| 07:07.09 | themill | hid3: check daemon.log |
| 07:07.10 | hid3 | tgs3_: I have logging turned off |
| 07:07.13 | fluffybunnyuk__ | so once called i will enter a build env with just /tools and everything in/tolls/bin |
| 07:08.01 | stojic | elkingrey: If you used Thunderbird in Ubuntu, you can try copying .thunderbird directory from your ubuntu $HOME to .icedove directory in your debian $HOME. |
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| 07:09.04 | elkingrey | stojic: Okay cool, let me try that. |
| 07:09.31 | hid3 | lol, a quick google on mysql does not start wheezy gives me this is a debian bug |
| 07:09.37 | stojic | elkingrey: This should mostly work (I'd expect some extensions to be broken as Thunderbird in Ubuntu is much newer). If it fails just delete your newly created .icedove directory and try some export/import thing. |
| 07:09.38 | hid3 | hate when they release software that buggy |
| 07:09.57 | hid3 | there's no way they haven't came across this while testing (or was it tested at all?) |
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| 07:10.02 | themill | hid3: it's not the software that is buggy, it is your configuration |
| 07:10.07 | hid3 | my prodution sytem is stopped |
| 07:10.19 | hid3 | I have default my.cnf, so this is not my configuration |
| 07:10.23 | hid3 | no other configuration made |
| 07:10.31 | themill | hid3: and daemon.log says what? |
| 07:10.46 | hid3 | at leaswt that thing could have said what's wrong and mot die silently |
| 07:10.55 | hid3 | themill: *nothing* |
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| 07:11.07 | themill | well that's not a default config then.... |
| 07:11.21 | themill | if mysql can't start it complains loudly and verbosely in daemon.log. |
| 07:11.35 | fluffybunnyuk__ | ok so how best to strace it then? |
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| 07:12.39 | hid3 | it worked okay before the upgrade |
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| 07:13.42 | tgs3_ | hid3: start /etc/init.d/mysql restart |
| 07:13.53 | tgs3_ | hid3: or even manually run mysqld something or safe mode (google it) |
| 07:14.22 | hid3 | http://pastebin.com/VAJ3qkBN |
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| 07:15.14 | linuxn3wb13 | hey guys. i have hip wireless mouse but i cant make it work on debian . What should i do ? |
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| 07:15.34 | hid3 | each time I dist-upgrade, I have reall issues with mysql server, as far as I remember, and this is not my bug. Last time (when upgraded to squeeze), I had to install a different package! |
| 07:15.35 | elkingrey | stojic: That worked great! Thanks! Except Enigmail isn't working. Says it can't enable, I even installed from synaptic package manager and it's still not loading |
| 07:15.36 | tgs3_ | linuxn3wb13: it just ends with USB dongle? it should just work imo. try clicking buttons on the mouse |
| 07:15.49 | linuxn3wb13 | tried but still nothing :S |
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| 07:16.04 | tgs3_ | elkingrey: you use openpgp? nice. /msg me if you would like later to try it, cryptobuddy :) |
| 07:16.12 | themill | hid3: what's the output of "apt-cache policy mysql-server mysql-server-5.5"? |
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| 07:16.37 | tgs3_ | hid3: also paste dpkg -i mysql-server |
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| 07:16.43 | evelyette_ | hi |
| 07:16.46 | elkingrey | Nevermind! It's working! |
| 07:16.54 | linuxn3wb13 | well guys any help ? |
| 07:16.57 | petitchou | I realize this is a pretty basic linux question, but how might I rm a set of files that match a regex? |
| 07:17.03 | tgs3_ | linuxn3wb13: yeah I just replied you above |
| 07:17.11 | linuxn3wb13 | it's not working that way |
| 07:17.12 | hid3 | http://pastebin.com/v3z39mLZ |
| 07:17.21 | evelyette_ | what do I have to add to sources.list in order to get courier-imap package ... currently I'm getting this: E: Unable to locate package courier-imap ... I'm using debian 6.0 |
| 07:17.30 | themill | hid3: that's pretty unambiguous output... |
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| 07:17.36 | tgs3_ | linuxn3wb13: lspci | grep -i mouse execute this, it shows anything? |
| 07:17.56 | linuxn3wb13 | nope |
| 07:17.57 | stojic | elkingrey: Extensions are stored in .icedove/[some gibberish]/extensions so you can try deleting the extension there and then reinstalling it |
| 07:18.02 | themill | hid3: (unrelated to your immediate problem, you should also use "wheezy" not "stable" in your sources.list) |
| 07:18.08 | tgs3_ | linuxn3wb13: hmm strange, ok it seems then to be incompatible. |
| 07:18.21 | linuxn3wb13 | but i 've tested it on other debian machine |
| 07:18.23 | stojic | elkingrey: Nice, do make sure everything is as it should be before nuking your old configs ;-). |
| 07:18.24 | linuxn3wb13 | \it worked there |
| 07:18.26 | hid3 | yeah, I know |
| 07:18.31 | tgs3_ | linuxn3wb13: write angry email to vendor of that device, and try maybe installing a newer kernel if available in debian, or get other mouse |
| 07:18.43 | elkingrey | stojic: That is sound advice! =) |
| 07:18.49 | linuxn3wb13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.04 | themill | petitchou: if it really must be a regex and not a glob, then find(1) is the easiest way of doing it. /msg dpkg using find |
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| 07:19.40 | petitchou | themill: I'd glob except for the fact that I need to remove all files except those that match a pattern |
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| 07:20.14 | linuxn3wb13 | tgs3_: could it be that it might not be compatible with amd64 linux distro ? |
| 07:20.22 | petitchou | also, thank you :) |
| 07:20.22 | themill | petitchou: look at "extglob" in bash for "negative" globbing. |
| 07:20.26 | elkingrey | Is truecrypt considerd free software by RMS standards? |
| 07:20.29 | petitchou | ooh, will do |
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| 07:21.23 | hid3 | lol, the upgrade manager simply uninstalled mysql server silently and installed nothing... |
| 07:21.38 | emss | linuxn3wb13 usb mouse? |
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| 07:21.53 | themill | hid3: more likely you didn't have mysql-server installed at all prior to the upgrade |
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| 07:22.27 | themill | hid3: but in any case, you need to carefully look at what apt is removing on a big upgrade like squeeze→wheezy. |
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| 07:24.56 | hid3 | Okay. Not I really made sure I manually installed mysql-server |
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| 07:25.03 | hid3 | that thing now simply does not want to start |
| 07:25.13 | emss | linuxn3wb13 |
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| 07:26.16 | linuxn3wb13 | emss: wireless usb dongle mouse |
| 07:26.30 | hid3 | nevermind |
| 07:26.34 | hid3 | I'll figure it out |
| 07:26.47 | emss | linuxn3wb13 try `lsusb' and check the batteries? |
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| 07:27.43 | fluffybunnyuk__ | ok any ideas about my chroot problem? chroot /mnt/build / works but calling /tools/bin/env fails |
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| 07:28.27 | fluffybunnyuk__ | yet im running /tools/bin/env and /tools/bin/bash as my current environemnt so they must work |
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| 07:29.17 | emss | linuxn3wb13 ... |
| 07:29.19 | themill | fluffybunnyuk__: so can you chroot /mnt/build and then check ldd /tools/bin/bash |
| 07:29.51 | fluffybunnyuk__ | no the strace shows that chroot /mnt/build / is viable error=0 |
| 07:30.08 | fluffybunnyuk__ | but executing /tools/bin/env comes back as -1 |
| 07:30.45 | mumpitzel | fluffybunnyuk__: they lack various libraries inside the chroot. does _any_ program work when run under the chroot? |
| 07:31.35 | fluffybunnyuk__ | i cant get any chroot access to them |
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| 07:31.43 | themill | fluffybunnyuk__: btw, why do you want /tools/bin/bash inside the chroot and not /bin/bash? |
| 07:31.59 | fluffybunnyuk__ | cos i havent build /bin/bash |
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| 07:32.49 | fluffybunnyuk__ | when i build /bin/bash then it will be there |
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| 07:33.34 | themill | fluffybunnyuk__: so when you just "chroot /mnt/build" what is chroot running? do you have some other /bin/sh inside the chroot? |
| 07:33.34 | linuxn3wb13 | emss: what sorry but from the web chat it's kinda confusing |
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| 07:33.58 | emss | linuxn3wb13 try `lsusb' and maybe check the batteries ? |
| 07:34.13 | fluffybunnyuk__ | im using env and bash inside chroot |
| 07:34.17 | linuxn3wb13 | batteries are ok |
| 07:34.19 | emss | linuxn3wb13 type lsusb in a terminal |
| 07:34.22 | linuxn3wb13 | i will try lsusb |
| 07:35.10 | fluffybunnyuk__ | bash and env are linked to libraries in /tools/lib and /tools/lib64 |
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| 07:35.54 | themill | fluffybunnyuk__: but are those paths on the library search path inside the chroot? |
| 07:36.09 | linuxn3wb13 | emss: what should happen with lsusb except print usb devices |
| 07:36.19 | emss | linuxn3wb13 you should see it listed there? |
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| 07:36.23 | fluffybunnyuk__ | yes |
| 07:36.41 | themill | fluffybunnyuk__: as I said, enter the chroot and then check the output of ldd -- please put things in a pastebin so we can understand what you've done |
| 07:36.58 | fluffybunnyuk__ | i cant enter chroot thats what im saying |
| 07:37.08 | themill | but you just said earlier you could |
| 07:37.18 | themill | [17:27] <fluffybunnyuk__> ok any ideas about my chroot problem? chroot /mnt/build / works but calling /tools/bin/env fails |
| 07:37.31 | fluffybunnyuk__ | no im saying the command to chroot /mnt/build will work |
| 07:37.42 | themill | right. So do that and then run ldd on your binaries. |
| 07:37.47 | fluffybunnyuk__ | what im saying is the variables im passing to it dont |
| 07:37.59 | linuxn3wb13 | emss: http://pastebin.com/Rg3sThgX |
| 07:38.15 | emss | linuxn3wb13 do you see your mouse there? |
| 07:38.32 | fluffybunnyuk__ | chroot /mnt/build /tools/bin/env -i HOME=/root TERM="$TERM" PS1='\u:\w\$ ' PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/tools/bin /tools/bin/bash --login +h |
| 07:38.45 | themill | fluffybunnyuk__: real output in pastebins makes it so much easier for us to follow what it is you have done and what you have not. Please do so. |
| 07:38.53 | fluffybunnyuk__ | im chrooting and call env and bash |
| 07:39.04 | linuxn3wb13 | it's a mouse for 5 bucks :) do you think i know it's name :) well i think it's that xenta |
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| 07:39.43 | fluffybunnyuk__ | and i get chroot: failed to run command '/tools/bin/env': No such file or directory |
| 07:39.59 | themill | fluffybunnyuk__: that's still not entering the chroot and running ldd on your binaries. |
| 07:40.09 | fluffybunnyuk__ | ive just told u i cant |
| 07:40.13 | fluffybunnyuk__ | sheesh |
| 07:40.19 | themill | fluffybunnyuk__: no, you told me you could. |
| 07:40.25 | fluffybunnyuk__ | i can run ldd from outside the chroot |
| 07:40.27 | linuxn3wb13 | emss: i guess it's a shitty mouse |
| 07:40.39 | themill | fluffybunnyuk__: I don't want ldd outside the chroot -- that's the point. |
| 07:40.39 | emss | linuxn3wb13 ok then it might just be an issue with xorg and the device it uses for a pointer |
| 07:41.12 | fluffybunnyuk__ | why? it makes no difference |
| 07:41.14 | emss | linuxn3wb13 so you do not see the mouse cursor or can't move it? |
| 07:41.22 | themill | fluffybunnyuk__: umm... it makes all the difference |
| 07:41.26 | fluffybunnyuk__ | ldd points to /tools/lib and /tools/lib64 |
| 07:41.46 | linuxn3wb13 | well it's a laptop so i see the cursos because of the touchpad ut when i plug the wifi mouse well it doesnt move .. |
| 07:41.57 | fluffybunnyuk__ | so when env is called it calls /tools/lib/libraries in turn |
| 07:42.12 | emss | linuxn3wb13 try disabling the touchpad then plugging in the usb mouse? |
| 07:42.20 | themill | fluffybunnyuk__: given that I can pretty much guarantee that the problem is that you are missing libraries inside the chroot or missing libraries in the library search path inside the chroot, I want to see ldd run inside the chroot. |
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| 07:42.40 | themill | (I'm assuming you're not cross compiling for a different architecture here) |
| 07:42.46 | linuxn3wb13 | emss: how to do that |
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| 07:43.36 | emss | linuxn3wb13 did you have the mouse plugged in when you turned the computer on? |
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| 07:43.43 | fluffybunnyuk__ | http://pastebin.com/xParph33 |
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| 07:44.06 | fluffybunnyuk__ | well if u can get me into the chroot then i'll do that |
| 07:44.12 | linuxn3wb13 | nope .. i will show you the print of dmesg | grep - usb |
| 07:44.23 | NotJimCarrey | anyone remember how to move a channel to a different window # in irssi? |
| 07:44.36 | linuxn3wb13 | emss: http://pastebin.com/wfv4JgAg |
| 07:44.53 | themill | fluffybunnyuk__: when you said "chroot /mnt/build works", what do you mean? |
| 07:44.58 | ompaul | NotJimCarrey: alt 2 and so forth |
| 07:45.04 | fluffybunnyuk__ | and if i ls -l those libraries they report back as being there |
| 07:45.22 | ledestin | I think I've got my system compromised |
| 07:45.23 | NotJimCarrey | ompaul: i mean, change window 6 to be window 3 |
| 07:45.24 | fluffybunnyuk__ | i mean that tracing it has no problem with the concept |
| 07:45.41 | themill | fluffybunnyuk__: hang on, how does /tools exist inside the chroot and outside the chroot? |
| 07:45.48 | fluffybunnyuk__ | its when it tries to execute env it fails with no such file |
| 07:46.09 | fluffybunnyuk__ | cos i use $BUILD =/mnt/build |
| 07:46.26 | fluffybunnyuk__ | so everything is iin $BUILD/tools |
| 07:46.32 | emss | linuxn3wb13 are you using gnome or kde? |
| 07:46.37 | themill | fluffybunnyuk__: so how is it /tools outside the chroot too? |
| 07:46.52 | linuxn3wb13 | gnome |
| 07:47.09 | fluffybunnyuk__ | symlinked /tools to $BUILD/tools |
| 07:47.11 | emss | can you log out and restart x? while leaving the mouse plugged in? |
| 07:47.16 | ompaul | NotJimCarrey: seems this guy has info you want http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssi/ |
| 07:47.45 | fluffybunnyuk__ | so in or out its all one and the same |
| 07:47.49 | linuxn3wb13 | emss: ok |
| 07:47.52 | NotJimCarrey | ompaul: thanks |
| 07:48.09 | NotJimCarrey | haven't seen an irssi article in quite a while |
| 07:48.16 | fluffybunnyuk__ | all im doing is shifting /mnt/build to / |
| 07:48.31 | fluffybunnyuk__ | but /tools exists inside and ooutside the chroot |
| 07:49.19 | fluffybunnyuk__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:51.29 | elkingrey | I just switched over to Debian and am trying to go all free software. Unfortunately, I have to use desk.com for work and I can see from logging in that it's not functioning for me. My only guess is that desk.com uses flash. I don't know. I really don't want to install adobe flash on an otherwise pristine machine. I have gnash installed. Do I need to do anything to have it function with my iceweasel browser? Or is it "w |
| 07:51.30 | elkingrey | orking" already and just isn't good enough for desk.com? Is desk.com even likely using flash? |
| 07:51.34 | themill | fluffybunnyuk__: hmm... I get the distinct feeling that there's an important detail you're not telling us but I can't work out what question to ask you to elucidate it. Given that debian comes with quite good ways of building working chroots really easily, I wonder if you'd be better off with #lfs-support at irc.linuxfromscratch.org. |
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| 07:51.59 | fluffybunnyuk__ | ok ill try them thx |
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| 07:54.55 | linuxn3wb13 | emss: still the smae |
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| 07:56.26 | emss | ok |
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| 07:59.26 | emss | linuxn3wb13 it's working on other computers with debian that do not have the touchpad? |
| 08:00.29 | linuxn3wb13 | emss: yup a workstation pc |
| 08:00.31 | emss | linuxn3wb13 your paste shows that linux detected it and knows its a mouse so ... |
| 08:01.22 | linuxn3wb13 | emss: so you guess it's because of the touchpad ? |
| 08:01.28 | emss | linuxn3wb13 i think it might be the touchpad and the way Xorg is configured which is causing it to not use the proper device for the pointer |
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| 08:03.00 | linuxn3wb13 | emss: thanks for your time anyways i appreciate it .. actually the whole installation is kinda buggy so .. |
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| 08:03.24 | emss | linuxn3wb13 you can try a live cd and see if it works |
| 08:04.00 | linuxn3wb13 | emss: dont worry i have a wire mouse anyways i will use it ... thanks again ;) |
| 08:04.21 | linuxn3wb13 | wired* |
| 08:04.26 | emss | ok |
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| 08:06.00 | adnc | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.00 | adnc | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.37 | tgs3_ | connected android with shared internet over USB, I see usb0 but it is not configured |
| 08:06.54 | tgs3_ | how to make use of usb0? it has no ip4 addr |
| 08:07.12 | tgs3_ | oh nevermind. just dhclient usb0 did it. |
| 08:08.23 | emss | adnc you are missing dict_pcre.so |
| 08:08.37 | adnc | emss, where do I get it? |
| 08:08.48 | mumpitzel | adnc: which program fails with this error? |
| 08:08.57 | adnc | mumpitzel, postfix |
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| 08:09.23 | mumpitzel | adnc: get postfix-pcre as shown here: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=dict_pcre.so&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
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| 08:10.46 | tgs3_ | ip a , ifconfig show usb0 with dhcp's IP and ip r shows route, but I can not ping anything |
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| 08:12.05 | nyuszika7h | hi, when bringing up my network interface, I get this error (although it's brought up fine) - any idea? nyuszika7h@cqeral ~ % sudo ifup eth1 |
| 08:12.06 | nyuszika7h | Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : |
| 08:12.07 | nyuszika7h | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:14.49 | lxsameer | how can i specify some package to do NOT upgrade ? |
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| 08:16.08 | themill | lxsameer: with aptitude, use forbid-version -- otherwise put the package on hold. |
| 08:16.25 | lxsameer | themill: thanks |
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| 08:17.20 | tgs3_ | using network from usb0 (android sharing network), I get IP from dhcp, but it does not set the gateway. why? ip r does not show default route |
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| 08:24.05 | ompaul | nyuszika7h google points at your device driver |
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| 08:41.59 | tgs3_ | anyone know how to get usb0 android usb router working exactly? I get ip from dhcp but it is not in route |
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| 08:43.05 | tgs3_ | lol it just started workig now. wut. |
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| 08:44.27 | freax | all done, that'll be $10 |
| 08:44.38 | tgs3_ | freax: bitcoin is ok? |
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| 08:45.05 | tgs3_ | freax: no problem. After tax applied by USA/FBI, CALEA-CISPA and MAFFIAA, your totall comes to: |
| 08:45.08 | tgs3_ | 0,00 c |
| 08:45.12 | freax | lol |
| 08:45.17 | freax | damn |
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| 08:46.24 | freax | why did we ever let bitcoin get ruined by the government |
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| 08:46.45 | mekeor | did we? |
| 08:46.59 | thunder1212 | does some one use debian on laptops? and how to get non free software installed, i have a broadcom card on my laptop |
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| 08:47.12 | chovy | how do i update-rc.d dnsmasq |
| 08:47.12 | N1x_ | hi guys , i have problem with my microphone , i compiled new alsa driver but its' not fixed , can someone help me ? |
| 08:47.27 | mekeor | chovy: what do you wanna do? |
| 08:47.42 | chovy | mekeor: just add it so it starts on boot |
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| 08:48.09 | mekeor | chovy: update-rc.d dnsmasq defaults # assuming you want it to add it to the level "defaults" or so |
| 08:48.20 | mekeor | chovy: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 |
| 08:48.40 | tgs3_ | freax: the lie of Democracy |
| 08:48.41 | freax | "we" are thinking about taxing bitcoin, which when money and the government and taxes is concerned is just as bad as doing it |
| 08:48.46 | tgs3_ | if majority of its agree on it, then its fine |
| 08:48.53 | mekeor | N1x_: personally, when i have issues with sound, i first launch alsamixer and tune up everything :D |
| 08:49.02 | tgs3_ | soon idiots will ban debian because we need to backdoor Terrorrissssts. You do not agree? you're pedo |
| 08:49.12 | freax | exactly |
| 08:49.33 | freax | in a few years I'm just gonna have a VT-200 terminal in my room and nothing else |
| 08:49.39 | freax | and have everything in datacenters |
| 08:49.46 | tgs3_ | VT-200? you terrorist |
| 08:49.52 | mekeor | chovy: works? |
| 08:49.54 | freax | what OS am I running now bitch, hah! |
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| 08:50.21 | tgs3_ | N1x_: 50% of the time mic is not working since mixer settings are wrong, check twice |
| 08:50.30 | N1x_ | mekeor: i do , but nothing.... , i have configured alsa-base.conf also with option but still nothing :-( |
| 08:50.44 | freax | tgs3_: http://www.lotekcity.com/img/Clipboard04.png |
| 08:51.17 | mekeor | N1x_: i don't know :( sorry :/ |
| 08:51.29 | nyuszika7h | is there a metapackage for KDE / XFCE? |
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| 08:53.31 | chovy | mete: i get an error |
| 08:53.39 | chovy | when i use defaults |
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| 08:55.03 | OpenTokix | nyuszika7h: yes, xfce4 - Meta-package for the Xfce Lightweight Desktop Environment |
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| 09:01.32 | Spockz | Could anyone help me with this error: "triggers ci file contains unknown directive `interest-noawait'" https://gist.github.com/spockz/50a6cb1e9c53fb5b2e0b? |
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| 09:03.01 | chovy | sudo update-rc.d dnsmasq defaults |
| 09:03.01 | chovy | update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing |
| 09:03.02 | chovy | update-rc.d: warning: dnsmasq stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (1) |
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| 09:11.30 | chovy | any ideas? |
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| 09:24.51 | freax | what are super cow powers? |
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| 09:25.38 | Woet | freax: lots of milk. |
| 09:25.39 | servtea | Hi #debian. :) |
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| 09:26.38 | servtea | I seem to have misplaced my head. Will someone please advice where I can download a version of Debian for amd64 which does not install a GUI, i.e, a bare minimum installation? |
| 09:26.52 | daemonkeeper | All do |
| 09:27.00 | servtea | Truth fact? |
| 09:27.12 | daemonkeeper | Yes. Just don't install a desktop when tasksel asks you. |
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| 09:27.47 | servtea | Ah ha! Thank you. Also, what about full disk encryption. Didn't there use to be an 'alternative' installer? I can't find one anywhere. |
| 09:27.49 | Spockz | servtea: and if you are in a hurry download the mini-image :) |
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| 09:28.04 | daemonkeeper | The standard installer supports encryption as is. |
| 09:28.14 | servtea | Ooo... the mini-image sounds like it might be for me. |
| 09:28.23 | daemonkeeper | You want netinst. |
| 09:28.49 | Spockz | servtea: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 09:28.54 | servtea | Thanks Spockz && Dark_light && daemonkeeper. :) |
| 09:28.59 | servtea | netinst it is then! |
| 09:29.11 | daemonkeeper | Note that, unlike the name, netinst does not need network. |
| 09:29.13 | Dark_light | I just got in but you're welcome! :P |
| 09:29.37 | servtea | hehe. still wiping the sleep from my eyes. ;P |
| 09:30.02 | servtea | I bid you, good day! |
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| 09:30.35 | Qantourisc | I donwloaded the torrent instead of the iso ... but it's verrry slow (netinstall i386) |
| 09:30.44 | Qantourisc | Is my client/firewall borked, or is it just slow ? |
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| 09:30.58 | daemonkeeper | Torrent is peer to peer. How would we know? :) |
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| 09:33.24 | Spockz | any ideas on my issue? "triggers ci file contains unknown directive `interest-noawait'" https://gist.github.com/spockz/50a6cb1e9c53fb5b2e0b? |
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| 09:36.42 | W1r3 | says hi |
| 09:37.05 | W1r3 | can anybody here help me out with rooting my phone |
| 09:37.25 | W1r3 | Its a intel based android phone |
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| 09:37.45 | W1r3 | was preaty much realesed just in my country |
| 09:37.54 | freax | wow |
| 09:37.57 | W1r3 | intel yolo its called |
| 09:38.03 | freax | LOL |
| 09:38.29 | xand | why are you asking here? |
| 09:38.37 | xand | go to #android or something? |
| 09:38.51 | Qantourisc | i'd just refrain from buying a phone that probits/tries to prevent rooting ? |
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| 09:39.18 | W1r3 | I have |
| 09:39.19 | W1r3 | no reply |
| 09:39.23 | xand | so... |
| 09:39.26 | W1r3 | just putting it out there |
| 09:39.35 | Qantourisc | W1r3: not all channels reply instantly |
| 09:39.39 | xand | rolls eyes |
| 09:39.45 | Qantourisc | W1r3: they may all be in church for all we know |
| 09:39.48 | mumpitzel | !they don't know |
| 09:39.48 | dpkg | We're sorry your distro's channel isn't being helpful, but that doesn't make it appropriate to use #debian for non-Debian questions. Please go back to your channel and wait patiently for better help, or install Debian and party with us. |
| 09:40.38 | W1r3 | sure |
| 09:41.04 | W1r3 | can taka a hint |
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| 09:41.24 | freax | how can my whites whiter? |
| 09:41.29 | freax | how can I get my whites whiter? |
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| 09:43.34 | boudiccas | how do i change from lightdm to gd3 please? |
| 09:44.33 | caf | are both installed, or just lightdm? |
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| 09:47.26 | caf | anyway, if gdm3 isn't installed yet then just apt-get install gdm3 and when it's configuring it will prompt you for which window manager you want to use |
| 09:47.43 | psiklops | Hi. I installed Wheezy yesterday with the tiny.iso available at this linux. I could install grub. Must i also copy the vmlinuz to the PC ? |
| 09:47.44 | psiklops | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
| 09:47.54 | caf | if they're both installed already, then dpkg-reconfigure gdm3 |
| 09:48.16 | psiklops | at this linux=at this link |
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| 09:48.30 | psiklops | could=couldnt |
| 09:48.32 | psiklops | :-/ |
| 09:49.05 | mumpitzel | psiklops: how did the grub installation fail? |
| 09:49.19 | psiklops | i'll have to reinstall mumpitzel |
| 09:49.34 | psiklops | it could copy to hdd |
| 09:49.42 | psiklops | thats what i recall |
| 09:50.13 | psiklops | i tried lilo and it would boot lilo version x something ... but the end in freeze kernel panic |
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| 09:51.08 | boudiccas | caf, yes, it is installed |
| 09:51.24 | psiklops | mumpitzel, i tried lilo after the grub fail |
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| 09:58.19 | nyuszika7h | hi, is there a way to start gnome-terminal maximized? |
| 09:59.46 | psiklops | nyuszika7h, maybe in gnome-terminal default preferences ? |
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| 10:00.15 | nyuszika7h | there is custom default terminal size, but no option for maximizing afaics |
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| 10:00.55 | psiklops | nyuszika7h, one sec. |
| 10:01.39 | psiklops | nyuszika7h, check out ~/.gconf/apps/gnome-terminal/ |
| 10:01.48 | psiklops | the config files in there |
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| 10:02.32 | nyuszika7h | thanks |
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| 10:04.51 | psiklops | your welcome. hope it works |
| 10:05.09 | psiklops | mumpitzel, i found out what it was |
| 10:05.41 | psiklops | i am installing with iso on USB and grub wanted to install in sda (USB) not sdb |
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| 10:14.34 | nyuszika7h | packages depending on dummy packages is a bug, no? |
| 10:14.39 | nyuszika7h | ttf-liberation specifically |
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| 10:27.45 | Zumochi | Good day, I just installed the package "powertop" on my laptop and it keeps shouting "timer_expire_entry event returned no fucntion value?" about every 20 seconds, filling the screen completely |
| 10:27.56 | Zumochi | Yes, it says "fucntion" |
| 10:28.41 | apm1 | Zumochi, sounds like a memory leak to me :p |
| 10:29.10 | Zumochi | eh, in the program itself? |
| 10:29.16 | apm1 | yes |
| 10:29.16 | Zumochi | or in my laptop |
| 10:29.24 | Zumochi | Should I file a bugreport? |
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| 10:29.27 | apm1 | in the program's code |
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| 10:30.00 | apm1 | Zumochi, first you should look at the respective logs for the program if any exist |
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| 10:30.10 | Zumochi | Good point |
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| 10:31.04 | ariqz | so why can't I login as root in gnome? Even since I installed gnome, I automatically boot into it, and it doesn't let met login as root to use the sbin stuffs |
| 10:31.13 | ariqz | even - ever |
| 10:31.30 | htor | ariqz: you can su to root in a shell, no? |
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| 10:32.47 | Dark_light | ariqz: why would you use gnome as root? |
| 10:32.54 | ariqz | I tried sudo and got some sort of error. |
| 10:33.02 | htor | some sort? |
| 10:33.07 | ariqz | Dark_light: I just want to use iwconfig and ifconfig |
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| 10:33.27 | ariqz | htor: I don't recall. It was of the "this isn't what I'm used to in ubuntu" sort :P |
| 10:33.31 | Dark_light | you can use sudo or you could add /usr/sbin to your user path |
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| 10:33.45 | htor | ariqz: that doesn't help very much |
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| 10:34.28 | ariqz | I tried making a special accout that's an administrator and that really confused things up. I need to delete it |
| 10:35.16 | htor | ariqz: that's what sudo is for, you use your regular user to do things with root permissions |
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| 10:36.19 | htor | ariqz: use visudo to give your regular user root permission. you might want to google about it first |
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| 10:38.16 | ariqz | htor: thanks, if sudo had been working right, I would have, but initially, I didn't even have sudo with wheezy and then it wasn't doing anything like I was used to. I think visudo will fix my woes |
| 10:38.25 | silv3r_m00n | how to change default desktop from gnome to lxde ? |
| 10:38.38 | silv3r_m00n | dpkg-reconfigure gdm3 does not ask for any option |
| 10:38.47 | silv3r_m00n | and cant find any file called .xinitrc |
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| 10:39.18 | apm1 | talk about deja-vu |
| 10:39.31 | ariqz | of, visudo: command not found |
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| 10:40.02 | apm1 | silv3r_m00n, do you wanna keep gnome ? |
| 10:40.51 | apm1 | if not then do " apt-get purge gnome*&&apt-get install lxde lightdm " |
| 10:41.32 | silv3r_m00n | apm1: if i dont remove gnome, then |
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| 10:42.19 | apm1 | then gdm will probably take offence and would ask you to choose between it and lightdm |
| 10:42.56 | silv3r_m00n | the gdm can stay, i want the desktop to be lxde |
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| 10:43.06 | silv3r_m00n | no issue with the manager |
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| 10:43.38 | apm1 | silv3r_m00n, look if thats the case then "apt-get install lxde" is enough |
| 10:44.14 | silv3r_m00n | installed that, now i have auto login configured for a user in gdm.conf, and want the user to get into the lxde desktop instead of gnome |
| 10:44.33 | apm1 | silv3r_m00n, no idea abt that |
| 10:44.44 | apm1 | and i doubt lxde even supports that |
| 10:44.56 | apm1 | but what do i know |
| 10:46.05 | ariqz | well that was easy |
| 10:46.09 | ariqz | su root |
| 10:46.09 | ariqz | adduser YOURUSERNAME sudo |
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| 10:47.53 | apm1 | you just reminded me of mac and cheese :) |
| 10:48.31 | ariqz | hmm, now ifconfig works with sudo, but iwconfig does not? |
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| 10:50.38 | ariqz | also, on an unrelated note, is there a way to make gnome stop popping up with that screen everytime I boot up or put in a dvd about ejecting the DVD or look at the contents? |
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| 10:52.29 | oo_miguel | suddenly (I think after squeeze->wheezy upgrade) my alt-n key bindings stopped working in xterm and produce just some interesting chars: ±²³´µ |
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| 10:55.34 | oo_miguel | hm, maybe I have to put xterm*eightBitInput: false in my .Xresources |
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| 10:55.57 | oo_miguel | this was in .Xdefaults so far, but I installed a lightDM recently.. |
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| 10:56.35 | oo_miguel | ok, it works now! |
| 10:56.41 | oo_miguel | :) |
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| 10:58.50 | oo_miguel | Im a bit confused , about .Xresources vs .Xdefaults and .xinitrc vs .xsession, It seems since I use a display manager, other files are used as before... |
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| 11:08.52 | d33tah | why does nmap's package depend on gnuplot? o.o |
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| 11:10.36 | wm4 | where did locale-gen go on unstable? |
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| 11:12.30 | wm4 | dpkg-reconfigure locales fails with "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed" |
| 11:12.46 | ompaul | wm4: eh, are you in the middle of an upgrade? |
| 11:12.56 | wm4 | ompaul: not anymore |
| 11:13.08 | ompaul | wm4: was it from squeeze to wheezy? |
| 11:13.08 | wm4 | I installed a single package, which pulled in a new libc |
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| 11:13.26 | wm4 | basically just installing libc on a month old unstable |
| 11:13.32 | ompaul | are you on testing or sid? |
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| 11:13.44 | ompaul | ah, you might want to do a dist-upgrade |
| 11:13.57 | ompaul | a lot has fallen though the trapdoor of new software since |
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| 11:14.32 | local | Hello folks. Anyone can tell me how I can do case-insensitive search within a manual? i.e. I execute 'man lsof' and want to search case-insensitive. In VIM Editor I could use :setic but inside the "man" command I cannot do that. Any help appreciated |
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| 11:14.48 | ompaul | d33tah: apt-cache rdepends nmap | grep gnu | wc says what? |
| 11:14.48 | wm4 | ok I just have had to install a recent "locales" package (as in, there should have been a dependency pulling in the new package) |
| 11:15.15 | emss | oo_miguel man xinit Xsession xrdb |
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| 11:16.46 | d33tah | ompaul: 0 0 0 |
| 11:17.29 | ompaul | rdepends shows a listing of each reverse dependency a package has. |
| 11:18.15 | d33tah | ah! there's the zenmap. that probably explains it. |
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| 11:24.07 | wm4 | btw. where is that debian bug report where users complain that libav is used instead of ffmpeg? |
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| 11:28.38 | boudiccas | hi, i'm currently on wheezy-live as i'm locked out of my machine. how do i reconfigre lightdm to get gdm3 please? i've doen sudo dpkg-reconfiure lightdm and change di tot gdm3 but when i try to login it just bouncesd me out again |
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| 11:33.30 | drhouse123 | boudiccas: i guess i have trouble with videodriver |
| 11:33.38 | drhouse123 | you* |
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| 11:34.57 | boudiccas | drhouse123, no, its the logins i have problems with. wantint to change to gdm3 to circumvent wm problems in fluxbox |
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| 11:41.05 | mumpitzel | boudiccas: you tried to log in via gdm3 and immediately the gdm3 screen came back? |
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| 11:41.29 | mumpitzel | boudiccas: and you should only use one DM. lightdm OR gdm3. not both |
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| 11:42.26 | boudiccas | mumpitzel, i tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm and changed it to gdm3, logged out , no change. rebooted and never got as far as gdm3, now locked out of machine totally |
| 11:43.24 | boudiccas | so now tryinmg to get back into machine , and get gdm3 working as well |
| 11:43.42 | mumpitzel | boudiccas: you were told you dpkg-reconfigure gdm3 not lightdm |
| 11:43.59 | boudiccas | yes, i changed coloured box tro gdm3 |
| 11:44.03 | mumpitzel | boudiccas: and you aren't locked out. ctrl+alt+f1 and you can log in |
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| 11:44.19 | boudiccas | i've since rebooted, so no longer applies |
| 11:44.38 | mumpitzel | it always applies. ctrl+alt+f1 and you can log in |
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| 11:44.52 | boudiccas | now, when i get to main machine and rstart i get text login only |
| 11:45.19 | mumpitzel | what happens when you run /etc/init.d/gdm3 start from your text login? |
| 11:45.33 | boudiccas | dunno, havenbt done it |
| 11:47.23 | boudiccas | k, just writing stuff down in my mobile, off to do it, thanks |
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| 11:57.38 | boudiccas | back, still on wheezy-live |
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| 11:58.16 | boudiccas | gdm3 as user fails to open, as root, opens but keybaord and mouse, both usb, totally lockup and become unresponmsive |
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| 11:59.51 | apm1 | boudiccas, when did you last ran a dist-upgrade ? |
| 12:00.14 | boudiccas | some time ago, i've been running wheezy for the past 6months or so |
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| 12:00.57 | apm1 | boudiccas, if i were you i'd do a apt-get update&&apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:01.11 | boudiccas | tried to change lightdm to gdm3 this morning, and have hit problems in using gdm3 |
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| 12:02.34 | boudiccas | apm1, k but i dont think it will solve the main problem |
| 12:02.53 | apm1 | it certainly will not worsen it |
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| 12:08.30 | ptman | hmm.. I have a problem with debconf |
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| 12:09.12 | ptman | the line . /usr/share/debconf/confmodule in postinst output 1189, crashes and leaves the package in an unconfigured state |
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| 12:09.27 | ptman | s/output/outputs/ |
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| 12:12.21 | abrotman | ptman: which package, which version of that pckage? |
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| 12:12.50 | ptman | abrotman, my own package, so my fault |
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| 12:13.02 | ptman | but I don't know enough about debconf to know where to look |
| 12:13.26 | ptman | this happens when upgrading the package |
| 12:13.36 | ptman | if I purge it and do a clean install there's no problem |
| 12:14.02 | boudiccas | back on wheezy-live, still unable to login as user usiong gdm3, and when try to as root, keybaord and mouse [both usb] lockup and become unresponsive |
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| 12:15.20 | ptman | ok, so more specifically: |
| 12:15.54 | ptman | + exec /usr/share/debconf/frontend /var/lib/dpkg/info/$package.postinst configure $version |
| 12:15.57 | ptman | 1189 |
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| 12:18.29 | abrotman | ptman: is there a bug in your postinst maybe? |
| 12:18.39 | ptman | yeah, most likely |
| 12:18.52 | ptman | but any pointers on debconf -related debugging? |
| 12:19.09 | ptman | ah, damn, found it |
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| 12:19.21 | ptman | pidof without redirecting stdout |
| 12:19.38 | abrotman | doh |
| 12:19.43 | ptman | which clearly would confuse debconf as the protocol is spoken on stdin/out |
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| 12:24.45 | boudiccas | on wheezy-live /media/6f41c38a-fa88-4f63-a6cc-dd5643c8598d/home is mounted, how do i on it do apt-get remove gdm3 and then install gdm3 please? |
| 12:24.54 | ptman | well, that didn't completely solve it either =/ |
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| 12:26.46 | boudiccas | k, i'll go and try it |
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| 12:32.45 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ptman about mentors |
| 12:33.59 | ptman | abrotman, thanks, I'll have a look at that |
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| 12:36.52 | chiel | morning folks |
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| 12:43.42 | oo_miguel | Any idea how I can disable the Session selecter in lightDM Display Manager, and force it to use the default Xsession? |
| 12:44.07 | Rix | Hi, how do I remove cron spam messages from syslog (I already removed it from auth.log by commenting out @include common-session-noninteractive in /etc/pam.d/cron), thanks |
| 12:45.26 | digdilem | add to the end of your cron line: &>/dev/null |
| 12:45.39 | digdilem | sends any message (including error ones) to /dev/null |
| 12:46.05 | digdilem | oh, hang on - i may have misread you |
| 12:46.25 | digdilem | yes, I did. ignore the above |
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| 12:49.55 | Rix | digdilem i fixed it in rsyslog.conf :) |
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| 12:50.03 | digdilem | cool :) |
| 12:50.09 | Rix | made it to go to cron.log instead of syslog |
| 12:50.09 | Rix | ;] |
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| 12:52.51 | wdonkey | morning ! im using my laptop as a bridge to share a wireless connection via eth0. what tool could be used to scan for my wired device ip adress on my laptop ? |
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| 12:53.18 | Rix | dhcp |
| 12:53.46 | wdonkey | mais-encore .. ? |
| 12:53.48 | boudiccas | right, back on main box with wheezy again. still unable to logon as user, having to lkogon as root [not ideal], how do i make sure /all/ window managers are closed before trying to logon as user again please? |
| 12:54.24 | apm1 | killall Xorg |
| 12:54.39 | boudiccas | tried using pstree and pkilling all that i see i recognose but still unable to logon ssayin ganother wm is in use |
| 12:54.52 | ompaul | boudiccas: ps auwx | grep dm |
| 12:55.02 | apm1 | that'll kill every instance of X running me thinks |
| 12:55.11 | ompaul | boudiccas: init 6 ;-) |
| 12:55.38 | apm1 | ^^ |
| 12:57.04 | boudiccas | k, thanks, i'll try it now |
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| 13:00.02 | GentileBen | Do any of you use Debian at your place of work? |
| 13:00.25 | GentileBen | I was wondering which services people hosted with Debian besides web servers. |
| 13:00.52 | abrotman | eh? everything? |
| 13:01.14 | chiel | f8l: i installed i3 btw, it's pretty nice |
| 13:01.18 | chiel | just have to get used to it :p |
| 13:01.22 | GentileBen | abrotman: such as? |
| 13:01.40 | abrotman | GentileBen: why is this confusing? is there a daemon for it? does it run on linux? then you can use Debian |
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| 13:05.21 | careta | hi gents |
| 13:05.42 | cusco | hi |
| 13:06.00 | careta | i've just built a kernel using make-kpkg, and i'd like to build a new package with a different name but without rebuilding the whole kernel |
| 13:06.02 | careta | is this possible? |
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| 13:07.17 | abrotman | careta: new package meaning different optins, or just a different name? |
| 13:07.59 | careta | abrotman, everything the same, just a different kernel version string (in both the package and the kernel name when installed) |
| 13:08.12 | careta | basically a different --append-to-version, that's all |
| 13:08.35 | abrotman | careta: eh, i think you'd have to recompile .. i'm not sure where it stores that version string .. you could try to take the package apart and rename everything, but not sure what the end result would be |
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| 13:09.04 | careta | abrotman, ok no worries it was worth a try! thanks anyway |
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| 13:10.16 | _DomY-Dom | How to disable dav_module and dav_fs_module in apache? |
| 13:10.36 | abrotman | _DomY-Dom: a2dismod |
| 13:11.08 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: can't be, apache2ctl -M lists dav_module and dav_fs_module but a2dismod dav_module or dav_fs_module doesn't work |
| 13:11.19 | abrotman | are they built in? |
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| 13:11.36 | abrotman | _DomY-Dom: look in /etc/apache2/mods-available/ for those modules |
| 13:12.08 | boudiccas | when i try to logonm to fluxbox as user it shows me this in the log 'BScreen::BScreen: an error occured while querying the X server.another window manager already running on display:0.0 Error: Couldn't find screens to manage. Make sure you don't have another window manager running.' but when i do 'ps auwx | grep dm' it only shows lightdm andnothign else. what is stopping me from logging on to fluxbox as user please? atm, this is almost t |
| 13:12.08 | boudiccas | otally unmanageable |
| 13:12.29 | abrotman | why would you grep for dm? |
| 13:12.43 | boudiccas | abrotman, because thats hwta ompaul sugggested |
| 13:12.52 | abrotman | that will find another DM, not a WM |
| 13:13.08 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: still not sure how to disable them |
| 13:13.16 | abrotman | _DomY-Dom: are they in that directory or not ? |
| 13:14.20 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: yes |
| 13:14.39 | abrotman | _DomY-Dom: AFAIK, a2dismod should work then |
| 13:14.41 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: dav_fs.load and dav.load |
| 13:15.01 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: ok yeah |
| 13:15.11 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: called differently in the list ^^ |
| 13:15.13 | boudiccas | abrotman, how then do i find out /all/ WM running please? i've used pstree and killed hwat i recgonsed, but still unable to logon |
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| 13:15.43 | abrotman | uh, okay, bye |
| 13:16.08 | abrotman | boudiccas: you'll have to look through it manually .. you can't grep because it could be named anything |
| 13:16.35 | boudiccas | abrotman, is pstree the best tool for it please? |
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| 13:16.59 | abrotman | i'd probably just use ps aux or ps -ef |
| 13:17.07 | boudiccas | ok, thanks |
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| 13:25.34 | wdonkey | Anyone have a nice tool to scan wired connection only ? im using my laptop as a bridge and dont feel like plugging a monitor to my box each time i want to ssh it |
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| 13:28.36 | boudiccas | i'm going to go for a complete reinstall, and avoid wm like fluxbox which is just leading to problems. this is the second day witht he problem and i'm no nearer finding a solution, menahwile things get worse. the machine no longer recognises the usb keyboard or mouse at login, i have to unplug and plug in again |
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| 13:29.25 | wdonkey | sounds like a bad horror movie script |
| 13:29.25 | boudiccas | i've had to create one new user, yesterday, to get round this problem, which thern reoccurs after 24houirs, not good |
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| 13:29.46 | wdonkey | it only gets worst |
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| 13:32.09 | themill | boudiccas: have you managed to make your .Xauthority owned by root again? |
| 13:32.30 | boudiccas | themill, it remains the same, its been like that for a fortnight now with no problems |
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| 13:33.02 | boudiccas | themill, i went to restore from backup and found it was completely the same, so didnt bother |
| 13:35.06 | boudiccas | themill, just checked now, .Xauthority is all root now, but still unable to logon as user |
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| 13:35.47 | themill | it shouldn't be owned by root |
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| 13:36.37 | themill | but we don't really have anyway of guessing what else you've changed or what the problem is here... |
| 13:37.35 | boudiccas | themill, okay, i've made it user2 so will try logging on as user once these copies have finished |
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| 13:46.39 | ch077179 | hello. I downloaded and copied a cd iso to my usb disk. But the install target just won't boot from it. I only get a blinking cursor. Boot order in the BIOS is fine. |
| 13:46.56 | abrotman | how did you copy it to the usb drive? |
| 13:47.09 | ch077179 | abrotman, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 13:47.18 | abrotman | so using 'cat'? |
| 13:47.19 | ch077179 | cp debian.iso /dev/sdf1 |
| 13:47.43 | ch077179 | oh.. |
| 13:47.51 | ch077179 | without the '1'? |
| 13:48.04 | abrotman | yes |
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| 13:48.18 | ch077179 | ok |
| 13:48.20 | ch077179 | why is that? |
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| 13:50.26 | aguitel | use dd command |
| 13:51.06 | redhead | ch077179: the iso contains a boot sector aswell, so the correct way would be to use the command: dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdf |
| 13:52.08 | abrotman | aguitel: the manual says to use cp, why should he use dd? |
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| 13:52.30 | abrotman | looks at redhead |
| 13:52.38 | aguitel | because dd works with me |
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| 13:54.17 | redhead | abrotman: cp will copy the file, trying to write it to the assumed filesystem, cat iso > /dev/sdf wuold also work, in theory, but the dd command is the correct command to use when your working a filesectors level |
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| 13:55.02 | abrotman | redhead: read the manual. |
| 13:55.03 | aguitel | abrotman, http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
| 13:55.23 | abrotman | waits for aguitel and redhead to go read the installation manual |
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| 13:55.49 | redhead | and the first line of the manual "cp - copy files and directories" not create filesystem from iso-files |
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| 13:56.21 | themill | aguitel: there was some recent discussion about how that should be changed to use the same instructions as the install guide. |
| 13:57.07 | ch077179 | cp ... /dev/sdf didn't work either |
| 13:57.13 | ch077179 | trying the dd way now |
| 13:57.21 | aguitel | hybrid image can be writen with dd comand in usb |
| 13:57.23 | themill | exactly what command did you give and how did it not work? |
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| 13:57.51 | ch077179 | themill, sudo cp path/to/my/debian.iso /dev/sdf |
| 13:57.56 | aguitel | sorry for my bad english |
| 13:58.03 | dvs | ch077179: no sync afterwards? |
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| 13:58.10 | ch077179 | yes, sync |
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| 13:58.17 | abrotman | ch077179: perhaps it's not a problem with the way you're writing, but a compatibilty issue with your system and Debian installer? |
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| 13:58.58 | themill | ch077179: did you verify that the downloaded iso image was ok? |
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| 13:59.40 | boudiccas | themill, you're a genius sir! having .Xauthority means that i can use mate.lxde,and xfce, but still not fluxbox, but we progress, thank you |
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| 13:59.56 | boudiccas | .Xauthoirty as user |
| 13:59.57 | themill | yay! |
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| 14:00.31 | boudiccas | i'll ask the fluxbox users re the fluxbox logging on problems though |
| 14:01.46 | ch077179 | I get the install menu now |
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| 14:02.26 | dvs | ch077179: so what changed? |
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| 14:03.29 | ch077179 | md5sums match |
| 14:03.33 | ch077179 | dvs |
| 14:03.45 | ch077179 | I don't know, it worked when I copied with the dd command |
| 14:03.52 | ch077179 | cp did not... |
| 14:04.01 | ch077179 | maybe that install guide needs a revision |
| 14:04.24 | dvs | still thinks it was a lack of sync |
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| 14:05.42 | ch077179 | dvs, http://pastebin.com/66rAH4h3 |
| 14:06.22 | dvs | ch077179: not "sudo sync"? |
| 14:06.43 | abrotman | ch077179: to be fair, that doesn't show when the device was removed, just that you issued a 'sync' :) |
| 14:06.52 | ch077179 | obviously not |
| 14:07.10 | ch077179 | abrotman, I guess you'll have to take my word for it :) |
| 14:07.20 | ch077179 | the device was removed after the sync |
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| 14:07.39 | ch077179 | and I tried booting on the install target |
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| 14:10.41 | ch077179 | I'm excited, first time debian install |
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| 14:11.22 | freax | wee |
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| 14:11.54 | dvs | ducks and covers |
| 14:12.06 | Dark_light | Is there a way to get mesa support for Mach64 and Rage 128 cards for powerpc ? the last mesa version that had it was 7.X |
| 14:12.38 | Dark_light | s/mesa/hardware acceleration |
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| 14:16.53 | chiel | so i created an init.d script, how do i get it to be called automatically upon system boot? |
| 14:17.21 | dvs | chiel: update-rc.d |
| 14:17.34 | chiel | alright, gonna look into that, thank you |
| 14:17.45 | dvs | np |
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| 14:18.41 | boudiccas | is it possible for 2 users to use one /home please? if so, how? |
| 14:19.00 | abrotman | why would you want that? |
| 14:19.26 | chiel | dvs: hmm, do i need to worry about the runlevels at all? |
| 14:19.32 | boudiccas | i have some settings which appear to be cached for mpd, referring to user1 although everything in the mppd.conf refers to user2 |
| 14:19.33 | abrotman | chiel: yes |
| 14:20.05 | chiel | hrm, crap :D |
| 14:20.28 | boudiccas | iabroti've done sudo service mpd restart and its refusing to beacuse user1 is now no longer writable to, as its owned by user2 |
| 14:20.34 | dvs | chiel: the defaults are usually OK but it would be good to double check. |
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| 14:21.18 | boudiccas | abrotman, i've done sudo service mpd restart and its refusing to beacuse user1 is now no longer writable to, as its owned by user2 |
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| 14:21.55 | chiel | "insserv: warning: script 'sabnzbd' missing LSB tags and overrides" guess i messed something up. :) |
| 14:22.17 | Dark_light | boudiccas: you could simply make the mpd files writable to that user too, of configure differently |
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| 14:22.26 | Dark_light | *or configure mpd differently |
| 14:22.41 | boudiccas | dArK_lhmm |
| 14:23.17 | Dark_light | did you use /etc/mpd.conf ? |
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| 14:24.13 | chiel | hmm, there's something in the skeleton file about LSB log functions |
| 14:24.23 | chiel | i guess i need to source that |
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| 14:27.07 | foubarre | Hello. I am struggling to install package iscsitarget from wheezy http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/iscsitarget for armhf. Is "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free" the correct depot to get the package? |
| 14:27.10 | Dark_light | boudiccas: did you use /etc/mpd.onf? |
| 14:28.06 | boudiccas | dark_l |
| 14:28.35 | boudiccas | Dark_light, no, /home/boudiccas/.mpd/mpd.conf |
| 14:28.45 | Dark_light | then reconfigure it for your other user |
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| 14:29.16 | boudiccas | i am doing 'chown boudiccas ~boudiccas /home/boudiccas/.mpd' and want .mpd to be writable by others [eg root,mpd] but its not, how do i get it writable by others please? |
| 14:29.24 | abrotman | foubarre: that should generally work, though we discourage using "ftp.debian.org" |
| 14:29.56 | foubarre | abrotman: ah. good to know. Can you please tell me why and what to use instead? |
| 14:30.36 | abrotman | foubarre: http.debian.net is a good alternative, or pick a mirror near you see debian.org/mirrors/list |
| 14:30.45 | dvs | !tell foubarre about ftp.debian.org |
| 14:30.59 | sphenxes | How to deactivate automount of external usb hard drives on wheezy, gnome? |
| 14:31.11 | foubarre | dvs: thanks a lot. |
| 14:31.47 | dvs | np |
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| 14:34.12 | Dark_light | boudiccas: you could create an mpd group and give permissions of writing and reading to that group |
| 14:34.13 | mtn | sphenxes: do a google search on: How to deactivate automount of external usb hard drives on gnome3 |
| 14:34.34 | mtn | sphenxes: always a good place to start your search for information |
| 14:34.43 | Dark_light | obviously you'd have to add users to the mpd group |
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| 14:36.46 | boudiccas | Dark_light, good thinking batman! :) |
| 14:37.38 | Dark_light | boudiccas: here's a quick guide to file permissions in case you need it http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Security/Quick_and_Dirty_Guide_to_Linux_File_Permissions |
| 14:38.37 | foubarre | how comes a package (iscsitarget-source) can be found in squeeze and not in wheezy? did i miss something? |
| 14:40.41 | abrotman | judd: versions iscsitarget-source |
| 14:40.42 | judd | Package: iscsitarget-source on i386 -- squeeze: 1.4.20.2-1 |
| 14:41.08 | abrotman | foubarre: likely because it's now iscsitarget-dkms |
| 14:41.56 | Dark_light | boudiccas: if the music library is shared too I'd suggest using /etc/mpd.conf to configure mpd and putting the music folder in /var/something where something is a folder where the users of the group mpd would have all privileges |
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| 14:42.14 | Dark_light | they could then access it using a symlink in their own /home folder |
| 14:43.35 | Dark_light | and the database log files and all of that would be in /var/something |
| 14:43.43 | foubarre | abrotman: aww.. you saved my life. At least it now tries to compile the module. It fails but that's still better than nothing.. million thanks. |
| 14:43.47 | Aww | ;o |
| 14:43.58 | foubarre | Aww: haha.. sorry |
| 14:44.02 | Aww | Its fine :P |
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| 14:48.40 | Apocalypse666 | hi guys...anybody has problems with debian installer and UEFI Boot mode? |
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| 14:48.56 | dvs | !ask |
| 14:48.56 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 14:49.07 | codepython777 | is there a simple debian VM that I can run on windows? |
| 14:49.29 | GentileBen | Yes. |
| 14:49.47 | apm1 | Apocalypse666, please state your problem clearly |
| 14:50.15 | GentileBen | Go to the VMware virtual appliance marketplace, and download a Debian virtual appliance. |
| 14:50.22 | apm1 | codepython777, are you looking for prebuilt VM disks for virtualbox or the likes ? |
| 14:50.23 | GentileBen | Then install VMware Player, and load that OVF. |
| 14:50.51 | GentileBen | Depends - is he serious about this? If so, he'll need either VMware Player (free) or VMware Workstation (not free). |
| 14:51.17 | apm1 | judging by the nick XD seems serious to me |
| 14:51.29 | abrotman | or use the vbox images |
| 14:51.48 | apm1 | abrotman, from oracle right ? |
| 14:51.55 | apm1 | the images i mean |
| 14:52.00 | abrotman | FIIK http://virtualboxes.org/images/ |
| 14:52.21 | abrotman | i'd probably just make my own anyway |
| 14:52.44 | apm1 | abrotman, so you haven't tried those yourself before ? |
| 14:53.05 | abrotman | apm1: see above |
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| 14:53.06 | GentileBen | codepython777: https://solutionexchange.vmware.com/store/search?search[q]=Debian |
| 14:53.23 | abrotman | but given the non-free nature of vmware, it may not be an option for codepython777 |
| 14:53.29 | GentileBen | ...oh right. |
| 14:53.48 | GentileBen | Well, like I said, if he's serious about this those are the options. |
| 14:53.56 | GentileBen | If he just wants to play around, there is Vbox. |
| 14:53.58 | qman__ | you could probably install debian faster than you could download one of those |
| 14:54.11 | GentileBen | I think he wants a preconfigured appliance. |
| 14:54.25 | GentileBen | It'll take longer to install, configure and template than to just download and import. |
| 14:54.25 | themill | maybe you should ask rather than randomly speculating? |
| 14:54.27 | abrotman | preconfigured to do .. what? |
| 14:54.35 | qman__ | exactly |
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| 14:55.00 | GentileBen | He already said he wants an appliance. |
| 14:55.18 | GentileBen | Maybe you should read what's said instead of randomly interrupting? |
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| 14:55.27 | abrotman | no, he said "simple Debian VM" |
| 14:55.28 | themill | GentileBen: he did not. |
| 14:55.36 | apm1 | i am concerned if this site actually supplies legit images http://virtualboxes.org/images/ |
| 14:55.37 | abrotman | and then said nothing else |
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| 14:55.40 | GentileBen | lol, what do you think he meant by that? |
| 14:55.44 | abrotman | apm1: so download them and try them |
| 14:55.47 | apm1 | or if they have malware in them |
| 14:55.49 | themill | GentileBen: why not ask. |
| 14:55.49 | abrotman | GentileBen: a simple VM image .. |
| 14:56.02 | abrotman | he didn't specify which VM technology either |
| 14:56.26 | GentileBen | What does that have to do with anything? I already told him what his options were. |
| 14:56.38 | abrotman | not really |
| 14:56.43 | GentileBen | Serious business? VMware. Home use? Vbox, because it's Free. |
| 14:57.00 | abrotman | why not KVM or Xen? |
| 14:57.03 | GentileBen | If he doesn't care about Free he should be using VMware Player, but I'll leave that to him. |
| 14:57.09 | apm1 | if i were him , i'd be pretty content by GentileBen and abrotman 's links |
| 14:57.15 | GentileBen | Um, because they're completely different technologies. |
| 14:57.29 | abrotman | GentileBen: and as stated, he didn't specify which technology or any other requirements |
| 14:57.30 | cusco | bye tor |
| 14:57.33 | GentileBen | KVM and Xen are bare metal (despite the arguments) while Player, WKS and Vbox are hosted. |
| 14:57.55 | themill | And 10 minutes later, we have lots of people pretending to "help" and only one line from the person actually asking questions... |
| 14:58.00 | abrotman | waits for codepython777 to chime in ;) |
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| 14:58.11 | GentileBen | codepython777 is too busy deploying ESXi to talk to us. |
| 14:58.16 | GentileBen | He knows what he has to do. |
| 14:58.21 | abrotman | ... |
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| 14:58.52 | cusco | sounds like trolling |
| 14:58.57 | cusco | well, almost |
| 14:59.25 | GentileBen | cusco: don't mistake professional experience with trolling. |
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| 14:59.44 | cusco | shuts up |
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| 14:59.54 | abrotman | is pretty sure that wasn't professional |
| 15:00.02 | themill | GentileBen: helping people doesn't require picking fights with everyone in the channel. |
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| 15:00.32 | abrotman | is fairly certain that professional generally gather requirements and such before shooting off their mouth |
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| 15:00.50 | apm1 | is on GentileBen 's side on this |
| 15:00.53 | qman__ | yes, that was quite the opposite of professional |
| 15:01.38 | mtn | gets his popcorn and settles down |
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| 15:02.01 | cusco | steals some poprcorn from mtn |
| 15:02.05 | cusco | :) |
| 15:02.16 | mtn | cusco: always glad to share :P |
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| 15:13.33 | drasko_ | hi all, my laptop has two headphones output, but only one works |
| 15:13.36 | drasko_ | where to look ? |
| 15:14.48 | jhutchins_wk | drasko_: As long as one works, why worry? |
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| 15:15.55 | abrotman | wonders why a laptop has two headphone outs |
| 15:15.58 | zykotick9 | drasko_: are you sure one isn't mic in? |
| 15:16.09 | drasko_ | no |
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| 15:16.30 | drasko_ | jhutchins_wk, there is a use - you can watch the film with someoune |
| 15:16.34 | drasko_ | *someone |
| 15:16.53 | abrotman | drasko_: which model laptop is this? |
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| 15:18.04 | drasko_ | dell inspiron 1525 |
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| 15:20.30 | drhouse123 | drasko_: try 'echo "options snd-hda-intel model=YOUR_MODEL" >> /etc/modules.d/alsa-base-conf' |
| 15:21.28 | zykotick9 | drasko_: according to this page http://www.pcworld.com/product/31104/dell-inspiron-1525.html it says headphone and mic... |
| 15:22.20 | drasko_ | zykotick9, mine has 3 jacks inputs |
| 15:22.23 | mtn | drasko_: or try alsamixer and see if you have two speakers listed or line in |
| 15:22.28 | drasko_ | two with the picture of headphones |
| 15:23.36 | drasko_ | mtn, only one maser playback |
| 15:23.47 | drasko_ | and one capture |
| 15:23.58 | mtn | drasko_: change the device: F6 |
| 15:23.58 | drasko_ | I'd like two playback outputs |
| 15:24.16 | drhouse123 | drasko_: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=49915 look to this thread it is similar |
| 15:24.50 | drhouse123 | drasko_: if your sound is low |
| 15:25.56 | drasko_ | mtn, yes, chaniging the device brought up alsamixer for 2 headphones |
| 15:26.04 | drasko_ | but still sond on only one |
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| 15:27.12 | drasko_ | On one that does not work it is written MM below |
| 15:27.15 | drasko_ | what is that ? |
| 15:27.43 | zykotick9 | drasko_: mute, use "m" to unmute i believe |
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| 15:28.03 | drasko_ | zykotick9, YES! |
| 15:28.06 | drasko_ | thanks guys |
| 15:28.53 | drhouse123 | drasko_: is working ? |
| 15:28.56 | drasko_ | yeap |
| 15:29.17 | drhouse123 | drasko_: i'm glad that is succes |
| 15:29.28 | drhouse123 | success* |
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| 15:34.53 | chiel | is there a way to boot into x on startup? |
| 15:34.56 | boudiccas | what is the terminal like 'urxvt' but with a black background please, its not-tabbable, but i cant remember what it is? |
| 15:36.21 | abrotman | chiel: yes, install a DM, like gdm3 or kdm |
| 15:36.40 | Bronze | boudiccas: most termianl emulators can have their backgroud set to any color you want. |
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| 15:37.57 | boudiccas | Bronze, you cant with urxvt, the right-click of the mouse is disabled |
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| 15:38.38 | nkuttler | boudiccas: man urxvt.. |
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| 15:40.45 | jelly-home | boudiccas: urxvt -bg yellow -fg green # OH $DEITY MAKE IT GO AWAY |
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| 15:41.01 | Bronze | smack that mouse around until it accepts a right click properly! |
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| 15:42.01 | chiel | abrotman: what's a dm? :) |
| 15:42.04 | chiel | desktop manager? |
| 15:42.04 | boudiccas | argh! i'm blind! |
| 15:42.11 | abrotman | !tell chiel about dm |
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| 15:42.16 | chiel | thank oyu :) |
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| 15:42.30 | boudiccas | jelly, thanks, i've now got a black background which is what i want |
| 15:42.36 | chiel | abrotman: any recommendation on a dm? |
| 15:42.43 | abrotman | chiel: i like gdm3 |
| 15:43.12 | chiel | at the moment i installed x and i3 wm, does this have any effect on dm? |
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| 15:43.25 | jelly-home | boudiccas: as long as you don't want it semi transparent with a dark purple hue... |
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| 15:46.51 | leth | Anyone know if there is an in depth guide on how the console keymapping works? I want to know how the numlock works and how it alters the keycodes. |
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| 15:53.38 | chiel | so what is the difference between gdm3 and gnome as a de, if there is one? |
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| 15:58.13 | jelly-home | chiel: different things. gdm3 is just the login screen app. |
| 15:59.10 | chiel | ah ok, cool |
| 15:59.26 | chiel | i just want to avoid having too much stuff around, i wanted the most minimal thing possible ^^ |
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| 16:02.35 | nejucomo | How can I understand the basics of fonts? I am using rxvt-unicode, but some high codepoint glyphs do not render (such as U+1d706). |
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| 16:02.58 | mumpitzel | leth: that's part of the keyboard hardware itself. no need for the OS to do anything |
| 16:04.20 | nejucomo | browses http://wiki.debian.org/Fonts |
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| 16:04.28 | jelly-home | nejucomo: do you have any point with that glyph installed? |
| 16:04.33 | jelly-home | any font* |
| 16:06.02 | jelly-home | gives nejucomo a λ instead |
| 16:06.23 | jelly-home | ... of 𝜆 |
| 16:07.19 | mumpitzel | interesting. I got the λ but not the next. must be some deficiency in my font too |
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| 16:08.56 | nejucomo | jelly-home: Not that I know of. How do I *find* a font with that glyph installed? |
| 16:09.11 | jelly-home | !symbola |
| 16:09.11 | dpkg | Symbola is a fallback font with lots of otherwise often missing glyphs. Download it from http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/ and unpack into ~/.fonts/ |
| 16:09.26 | nejucomo | Can I configure urxvt to use such a font for that glyph, but use a different font for the other codepoints (like ascii letters) ? |
| 16:09.27 | jelly-home | nejucomo: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1d706/index.htm |
| 16:09.34 | nejucomo | Thanks! |
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| 16:10.02 | XLV | has anyone tried zfs on debian? comments on stability/reliability? |
| 16:10.27 | jelly-home | nejucomo: urxvt can and does font substitutions, but I don't use vector (ttf/otf) fonts with it and I don't know how those work |
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| 16:10.36 | nejucomo | I'm not sure why you sent the fileformat link… does that have information on font packages? |
| 16:10.45 | nejucomo | Thanks! |
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| 16:12.27 | nejucomo | Interestingly emacs can display that codepoint just fine. I don't understand if emacs relies on some font data files that urxvt could also use... |
| 16:12.37 | jelly-home | nejucomo: click on "Fonts that support U+..." |
| 16:13.05 | jelly-home | emacs is probably smarter with substitutions |
| 16:13.43 | nejucomo | I can see visually in emacs it appears different than the greek letter, but maybe it's just the italicized greek letter. |
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| 16:14.22 | nejucomo | Ah! "Fonts that support U+…" I never noticed that. Thanks! |
| 16:15.15 | jelly-home | gives nejucomo a U+1F4A9 |
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| 16:16.47 | nejucomo | Eewww! U+1F63F |
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| 16:18.41 | codepython777 | is there a think debian vm that runs on windows? |
| 16:18.57 | abrotman | codepython777: we already answered this, at length |
| 16:19.21 | codepython777 | abrotman: sorry, i missed it, lemme see if i can dig it out and read it. Thanks. |
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| 16:25.01 | codepython777 | I guess I should have been present while the discussion was happening. :( Missed it. |
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| 16:25.17 | codepython777 | I am mainly interested in deploying a large python application, which has a lot of dependencies. |
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| 16:26.01 | codepython777 | I would want to just ship it inside a debian container on different platforms, if that was possible. |
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| 16:33.51 | codepython777 | GentileBen: Are you there? |
| 16:35.38 | XLV | has anyone tried zfs on debian? comments on stability/reliability? |
| 16:36.41 | mumpitzel | the only debian you can use it is kfreebsd/debian |
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| 16:37.03 | mumpitzel | !tell XLV about kfreebsd |
| 16:37.33 | XLV | yeah, from one onscurity to the other |
| 16:37.40 | XLV | *obscurity |
| 16:38.11 | XLV | wtf wouldnt i use fbsd directly then? userland isnt that much different |
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| 16:38.56 | abrotman | XLV: some people like the Debian packaging system and effort to stabilize the release |
| 16:39.21 | abrotman | codepython777: what are you looking for? |
| 16:39.57 | codepython777 | I'm looking to run a debian program on any OS |
| 16:40.10 | codepython777 | and my users are dumb - the only thing they can do is click ... |
| 16:40.11 | abrotman | codepython777: right, so use a VM |
| 16:40.21 | codepython777 | i've to ship software |
| 16:40.36 | abrotman | codepython777: you'll have to give us more parameters, "dumb users" doesn't tell us much |
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| 16:41.45 | jelly-home | mumpitzel: there's nothing stopping him from using the kernel port (zfsonlinux) with debian |
| 16:41.56 | jelly-home | with debian gnu/linux, that is |
| 16:42.01 | mumpitzel | jelly-home: correct. but this definitely outside the scope of this channel |
| 16:42.14 | mumpitzel | ie, it's not debian anymore |
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| 16:42.34 | jelly-home | mumpitzel: deiban is an OS. Asking whether some software works on it is in the scope of this channel/. |
| 16:42.50 | codepython777 | abrotman: My perfect scenario: I ship a ".exe" file for windows, an executable for linux/mac - and my users when they execute, a debian vm spins that runs my app |
| 16:43.13 | abrotman | codepython777: but you want this to be for 0$ ? |
| 16:43.27 | codepython777 | its free software that i need to ship |
| 16:43.40 | codepython777 | I can spend some money to build this software. But cant pay for each shipment |
| 16:43.48 | abrotman | right, but you wouldn't want to require that your users license vmware for example ? |
| 16:43.51 | tgs3_ | codepython777: what language/tools? |
| 16:44.11 | codepython777 | python + 100 million lines of C code on debian |
| 16:44.36 | jelly-home | codepython777: which software? It might be easier to use a native port thereof than to wrap a whole vm. |
| 16:44.43 | codepython777 | abrotman: absolutely not. and they do not see a "Vmware" or any other crap logo |
| 16:44.49 | abrotman | codepython777: or possibly use something like colinux if it still exists |
| 16:44.53 | tgs3_ | abrotman: why vmware.. and payable? why not kvm |
| 16:45.02 | jelly-home | tgs3_: kvm on a windows host? |
| 16:45.03 | abrotman | tgs3_: i'm not advocating vmware? |
| 16:45.13 | mumpitzel | abrotman: no 64bit support at all. which is needed nowadays |
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| 16:45.22 | tgs3_ | oh you want to put it on windlows? I thought another linuxes |
| 16:45.23 | jelly-home | mumpitzel: needed? |
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| 16:45.33 | codepython777 | I need it to be installable on OSes. And I want to run a thin debian OS on top to spin my app |
| 16:45.38 | tgs3_ | codepython777: well, provide the .exe file then |
| 16:45.50 | codepython777 | tgs3_: what exe? My code runs on debian |
| 16:45.54 | mumpitzel | jelly-home: yes needed. he needs to be able to send it to random users. a significant amount of them will have a 64bit system where colinux simply cannot work |
| 16:45.56 | jelly-home | mumpitzel: the only 64bit software I use on this machine is kernel |
| 16:46.03 | tgs3_ | you could release a windows version |
| 16:46.09 | abrotman | ... |
| 16:46.10 | tgs3_ | or, just run a debian virtual machine |
| 16:46.30 | codepython777 | tgs3_: I do that currently. And spend more time maintaining that version than writing code. Please forget about that option. |
| 16:46.32 | abrotman | tgs3_: thanks, you've just caught up to the conversation |
| 16:46.34 | mumpitzel | jelly-home: and it's exactly the kernel that is the problem and prevents colinux from working (btw, colinux is a windows only program) |
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| 16:46.58 | tgs3_ | codepython777: find a good, free VM machine for windows and provide image of your debian on it. |
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| 16:47.13 | tgs3_ | btw, what to change when cloning a debian image? |
| 16:47.28 | jelly-home | vbox is free for noncommercial use |
| 16:47.30 | tgs3_ | change sshd private key, other private keys in system services... anything more important? |
| 16:47.40 | mumpitzel | tgs3_: any VM needs admin priviledges on windows. with lots of scary prompts involved |
| 16:47.43 | codepython777 | jelly-home: VBox can not be used for what i want to do |
| 16:48.14 | jelly-home | codepython777: have you asked vbox people to help andmake it usable? |
| 16:48.17 | XLV | codepython777, you can use some portable system between architectures.. java eg |
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| 16:48.36 | abrotman | codepython777: why can't you use vbox? |
| 16:48.37 | XLV | or some ide which allows easy creation of multiple ports |
| 16:49.04 | codepython777 | abrotman: Its hard to wrap an installer on top of vbox vms that makes it seamless to spin it - unless i am mistaken |
| 16:49.31 | abrotman | codepython777: why not just ship your own image? |
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| 16:49.38 | mumpitzel | codepython777: what you want doesn't exist. no VM at all can run seamless without installation |
| 16:49.53 | tgs3_ | mumpitzel: why not |
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| 16:50.04 | codepython777 | abrotman: I can, but then i've to customize vbox installers and maintain them myself! |
| 16:50.13 | abrotman | codepython777: no, you don't? |
| 16:50.42 | codepython777 | abrotman: how is that done? Can I easily ship a debian vm (created in vbox) and people can run it using just clicks? |
| 16:50.52 | abrotman | codepython777: on top of which, you could setup your own apt repo for software updates |
| 16:50.59 | codepython777 | XLV: what ide are you talking about? |
| 16:51.06 | mumpitzel | tgs3_: all of them need drivers/admin priviledges. that means lots of scary prompts |
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| 16:51.14 | codepython777 | abrotman: Once I can spin debian, my life is easy |
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| 16:51.32 | codepython777 | abrotman: All I need to do is to package debian in an executable that spins as soon as the user clicks it |
| 16:51.50 | abrotman | codepython777: you can create a VM image for use with vbox, point it at your apt repo, keep the image up to date, deploy newer updates, etc ... |
| 16:52.04 | jelly-home | setting up debian is the least of your worries, that "executable" is the hard part |
| 16:52.05 | abrotman | would be more concerned about the networking part |
| 16:52.13 | codepython777 | abrotman: one would need vbox installed for that, isnt it? |
| 16:52.20 | XLV | codepython777, any rapid development system that allows you to compile an app in windows and linux and macosx quickly between those arches |
| 16:52.36 | codepython777 | XLV: name some please |
| 16:52.41 | abrotman | codepython777: so what's wrong with that? |
| 16:52.49 | codepython777 | XLV: according to some here, its impossible to do |
| 16:53.00 | codepython777 | abrotman: My users cant install virtualbox |
| 16:53.03 | abrotman | why not? |
| 16:53.39 | codepython777 | abrotman: Because they are dumb. All they can do is, click and click to allow root. Thats the most i can expect from them. We are clearly not talking about debian users here. |
| 16:54.06 | XLV | codepython777, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarus_%28IDE%29 |
| 16:54.11 | abrotman | codepython777: you can't restrict your solutions to what you believe your users are capable of .. they make instructions for that |
| 16:54.52 | codepython777 | abrotman: I need the software to be easy to use - installing vbox is not something i can convince my users to do. I've asked. |
| 16:54.55 | XLV | codepython777, http://max.berger.name/howto/cdt/cdt.jsp |
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| 16:56.15 | codepython777 | XLV: What does cross platform development have to do with my question? I'm currently doing that - and am stuck - maintaining installers - that is why i ask what i ask. Cross platform is pain beyond comprehension for me. |
| 16:56.52 | codepython777 | XLV: I spend more time currently maintaining a windows installer than writing code. Can you believe that? |
| 16:56.57 | XLV | codepython777, perhaps it is, but pushing down a whole VM on your clients will be an unbearable pain to them |
| 16:57.21 | codepython777 | XLV: absolutely not. A whole VM is paradise compared to what I currently do. |
| 16:57.43 | XLV | many wont have memory, others will mess up their loopback internet and host/vm access etc and so on and so forth, most will whine its slow |
| 16:57.44 | codepython777 | All I need is the VM network to be working and debian to be operating. That is all that I need. |
| 16:58.15 | abrotman | codepython777: maybe you sohuld ask #vbox if what you want is possible |
| 16:58.21 | jelly-home | codepython777: I'd work with vbox to arrive at an acceptable solution (which is, basically, yet another installer) |
| 16:58.22 | codepython777 | XLV: They wont while its slow. I will strip debian to barebones…and 512MB RAM is easy for my application. |
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| 17:00.13 | val_erie | I have apache2 installed, but apxs is missing. How can I install apxs? |
| 17:00.32 | jelly-home | judd: file bin/apxs2 |
| 17:00.37 | judd | Search for bin/apxs2 in wheezy/i386: apache2-threaded-dev: usr/bin/apxs2; apache2-prefork-dev: usr/bin/apxs2 |
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| 17:00.58 | jelly-home | val_erie: install the appropriate -dev package |
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| 17:02.04 | val_erie | jelly-home, so if I have apache2-mpm-prefork, I should install apache2-prefork-dev? |
| 17:02.14 | jelly-home | yes, that's correct |
| 17:02.53 | jelly-home | val_erie: you can take a look at each package description using apt-cache show packagename, before installing |
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| 17:09.16 | val_erie | jelly-home, thanks apache2-prefork-dev has apxs2 |
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| 17:10.45 | sh4rm4 | just installing debian 7 netinst - it seems odd that the installer asks a question, downloads stuff, asks another question, downloads stuff and so on |
| 17:10.54 | sh4rm4 | imo it should just ask all questions once |
| 17:10.59 | sh4rm4 | and then go and download |
| 17:11.10 | sh4rm4 | that way the install would long been finished |
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| 17:20.19 | ohcibi | hi, we just upgraded from squeeze to wheezy, now quassel-core is not using our old database anymore... how to migrate to quassel-core 0.8? |
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| 17:29.48 | mavvert | made the switch from osx back to debian today. can anyone recommend a gtk2/3 tool like this: http://img.informer.com/screenshots_mac/72/72294_1.jpg ? its a color blending tool thingy.. |
| 17:30.17 | MouseTheLuckyDog | How can I get a list of packages that I can install as an alternative to a specific package using apt? |
| 17:30.19 | nejucomo | I feel like I'm missing a fundamental overview of fonts. What are the font formats? How do programs consume those fonts? What are font servers? What is the relationship between defoma, fontconfig, and xfstt? Which ones do urxvt use? What about xfontsel? |
| 17:30.55 | nejucomo | This page seems to be missing that big picture: http://wiki.debian.org/Fonts |
| 17:31.04 | nejucomo | -so do the FAQs, which are about very specific configuration issues. |
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| 17:31.52 | nejucomo | Does the X11 protocol have font specific messaging? |
| 17:32.17 | jelly-home | nejucomo: there are: X11 server fonts (bitmap only) and client-side fontconfig/freetype TTF fonts. urxvt can use both, and by default it uses fontconfig, like most modern apps. |
| 17:32.36 | nejucomo | When I see a font specification such as '-*-fixed-*-*-*-*-20-*-*-*-*-*-*-*' is that specific to a certain font server / configuration system? |
| 17:32.47 | nejucomo | Thanks. |
| 17:32.50 | nejucomo | How did you know that? |
| 17:32.53 | jelly-home | nejucomo: ignore xfstt, ignore defoma, ignore font servers, and ignore xfontsel as it only shows X11 server fonts. |
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| 17:33.16 | jelly-home | that's a X11 font server spec. |
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| 17:33.34 | nejucomo | Wow. Okay. But then why do the links off of http://wiki.debian.org/Fonts recommend things like defoma and xfstt? |
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| 17:34.05 | nejucomo | I have unzipped Symbola as recommended above and placed it into ~/.fonts, but I can't tell how to instruct urxvt to use that font. |
| 17:34.06 | jelly-home | nejucomo: eh, horribly outdated, most likely |
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| 17:35.10 | jelly-home | nejucomo: rxvt-unicode manual description of -fn shows how to choose an xft font |
| 17:35.11 | nejucomo | From reading the manpage for urxvt, it seems like the way to instruct it which font to use is with the -fn option, but the examples I've seen seem to take X11 font server specs... |
| 17:35.23 | nejucomo | rereads. |
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| 17:36.11 | jelly-home | it also refers to urxvt(7), /How does rxvt-unicode choose fonts |
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| 17:36.42 | nejucomo | How do I know the Symbola thing I downloaded is an xft font? The zipfile had a .pdf, a .ttf, and a .ods. |
| 17:36.58 | nejucomo | Ah, maybe that will help. |
| 17:37.03 | jelly-home | nejucomo: the .ttf is managed by xft: |
| 17:37.23 | jelly-home | (not sure why there's an x in xft) |
| 17:37.28 | nejucomo | Ok, good to know. |
| 17:37.45 | nejucomo | Well "x" looks like "t" turned on its side. Maybe it was transcription error. ;-) |
| 17:37.48 | jelly-home | I don't remember there being an .ods in there |
| 17:37.54 | beboj | does anybody use anonie on newest 7.0 ? |
| 17:38.19 | jelly-home | ,v ttf-ancient-fonts: |
| 17:38.21 | jelly-home | ,v ttf-ancient-fonts |
| 17:38.21 | judd | No package named 'ttf-ancient-fonts:' was found in i386. |
| 17:38.22 | judd | Package: ttf-ancient-fonts on i386 -- squeeze: 2.52-1; jessie: 2.57-1; sid: 2.57-1; wheezy: 2.57-1 |
| 17:38.52 | jelly-home | (that package brings a slightly older version in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-ancient-scripts/Symbola605.ttf) |
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| 17:40.21 | nejucomo | Slight tangent: ~/.Xdefaults - I haven't found a man page for it; a web search suggests it can set X resources. Are those key value pairs passed over the X11 protocol? |
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| 17:42.02 | jelly-home | nejucomo: they're read in at session start using the xrdb command, I think. However, urxvt (and its parent rxvt) do an exception here and manually reread the file on _their_ start anyway |
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| 17:43.28 | jelly-home | nejucomo: also, don't ask why, but ~/.Xdefaults has been renamed to ~/.Xresources somewhere during the 2000s. Both places are still read tho. |
| 17:43.47 | nejucomo | Ok. Thanks for all the information. Sorry if I've sounded frustrated, but this was a case of needing to see a glyph and spending a couple of hours with terminal / x / font config rather than my original task. |
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| 17:45.32 | zykotick9 | nejucomo: jelly-home: ahh, the only way i've gotten .Xdefaults to work, is by naming it .Xdefault-$HOSTNAME |
| 17:46.18 | jelly-home | nejucomo: urxvt -fn 'xft:DejaVu Sans Mono,xft:Symbola' seems to do it in a pinch |
| 17:46.20 | zykotick9 | sorry, that's .Xdefaults-$HOSTNAME, typo on s above |
| 17:46.28 | nejucomo | Ok, I'm avoiding ~/.X* at all by passing explicit -fn options to urxvt. |
| 17:46.49 | nejucomo | However, now I have: -fn '-*-fixed-*-*-*-*-20-*-*-*-*-*-*-*,xft:Symbola' |
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| 17:47.39 | nejucomo | -and now when I try to enter U+1d706 (by using the ctrl-shift hex input method), it shows a box with a question mark inside. Before it showed a box with nothing inside... |
| 17:48.33 | jelly-home | nejucomo: hmm, pasting 𝜆 from http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1d706/browsertest.htm into "urxvt -fn '-*-fixed-*-*-*-*-20-*-*-*-*-*-*-*,xft:Symbola'" works here |
| 17:48.44 | nejucomo | jelly-home: With xft font specs, there's no size specification. Do you configure that separately? |
| 17:49.01 | nejucomo | tries cut'n'paste method. |
| 17:49.20 | macaroni | Running Sid and have realtek 8723 wireless card, read online that rtl8723ae was in kernel 3.8 so i updated. modprobing for the rtl8723ae module come up empty, i have the firmware rtl8723fw.bin in /lib but wireless is still dead. anyone know what im missing or even where to get a src for the driver that compatible with the 3.8 kernel so i can build myself? |
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| 17:49.33 | jelly-home | nejucomo: I don't remember how it's done |
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| 17:52.44 | nejucomo | jelly-home: Interesting that it works for you, but not me. Maybe I installed Symbola incorrectly. |
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| 17:53.27 | nejucomo | Does this look right? |
| 17:53.28 | nejucomo | $ ls ~/.fonts/ |
| 17:53.29 | nejucomo | Symbola.ods Symbola.pdf Symbola.ttf |
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| 17:56.23 | jelly-home | I only unpacked Symbola.ttf |
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| 17:56.45 | jelly-home | nejucomo: fc-list | grep -i symbola ? |
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| 17:57.36 | nejucomo | Thanks, I was just using "apt-cache search" to figure out how to list and display installed fonts... |
| 17:57.55 | halt | Hi all, I'm useing debian for a while, but reccentlty i saw one useful stuff in redhat, when i run the last sommand it should also the ftp logins, is there any way to do this with debian somehow ? |
| 17:57.57 | nejucomo | That gives one line: Symbola:style=Regular |
| 17:58.12 | jelly-home | and the file path in front, I guess |
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| 17:59.25 | jelly-home | hmm. I killed urxvt where it worked, how I'm getting <?> as well |
| 17:59.34 | jelly-home | now* |
| 17:59.48 | nejucomo | Misery loves company. |
| 17:59.57 | jelly-home | λλλλ𝜆𝜆𝜆𝜆 |
| 18:00.00 | nejucomo | So we're getting close then. |
| 18:00.27 | nejucomo | My IRC client here is adium on OSX, and the last four glyphs you just posted are empty boxes. |
| 18:00.44 | jelly-home | aight, it works after all but somewhere along the line the clipboard got scrambled |
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| 18:00.56 | nejucomo | I feel slight schadenfreude when osx apps also have rendering troubles. ;-) |
| 18:01.04 | jelly-home | nejucomo: install Symbola on that OSX machine as well, I guess |
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| 18:02.24 | jelly-home | urxvt -fn '-*-fixed-*-*-*-*-20-*-*-*-*-*-*-*,xft:Symbola' works after all. urxvt -fn '-*-fixed-*-*-*-*-20-*-*-*-*-*-iso10646-1,xft:Symbola' works as well |
| 18:02.28 | nejucomo | To avoid the clipboard and input issues in general, I'm also trying this: python -c 'print u"\U0001d706"' |
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| 18:03.21 | jelly-home | nejucomo: does the "locale" command show you using an UTF-8 locale? |
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| 18:04.39 | nejucomo | Yes: http://0bin.net/paste/f13a4603ea48d47cde94b66cabb5682d2250ab9d#uO/FQ4zwovc+dw0o73HH1xxIjwhoXXE1qygSw07JWSc= |
| 18:04.57 | nejucomo | I don't have LC_ALL or LANGUAGE set, but everything else is utf-8. |
| 18:05.31 | jelly-home | that's fine |
| 18:06.02 | nejucomo | $ dpkg -s rxvt-unicode | grep ^Version |
| 18:06.02 | nejucomo | Version: 9.07-2+b1 |
| 18:06.07 | jelly-home | (LC_CTYPE is enough actually) |
| 18:06.20 | jelly-home | ,v rxvt-unicode |
| 18:06.21 | judd | Package: rxvt-unicode on i386 -- squeeze: 9.07-2+b1; jessie: 9.15-2; sid: 9.15-2; wheezy: 9.15-2; experimental: 9.18-1 |
| 18:06.29 | `Z` | hello guys |
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| 18:06.37 | `Z` | please how to free a device after a losetup ? |
| 18:07.13 | jelly-home | nejucomo: I don't think squeeze (debian 6) behvaes much differently from wheezy (current release, debian 7) in this particular aspect |
| 18:07.29 | jelly-home | `Z`: losetup -d /dev/loopwotsit |
| 18:07.30 | nejucomo | I also just attempted a dubious dist-upgrade: I had squeeze, I edited /etc/apt/source.list, replaced all "squeeze" with "testing", commented out some backports and stuff, and then did apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 18:07.37 | `Z` | thanks |
| 18:07.53 | jelly-home | `Z`: it's literally on the first page of the manual |
| 18:07.58 | `Z` | yeah i know |
| 18:07.59 | `Z` | in fact |
| 18:08.06 | `Z` | I just found by myself how to do it |
| 18:08.10 | `Z` | but it wasnt working |
| 18:08.19 | `Z` | because I had a loop2 pointing on the loop1 |
| 18:08.28 | `Z` | and didn't freed the loop2 before trying to free the loop1 |
| 18:08.29 | jelly-home | loop-de-loop? |
| 18:08.53 | jelly-home | nejucomo: don't do that. |
| 18:08.54 | `Z` | yeah, the second loop is pointing at a specific byte |
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| 18:09.15 | nejucomo | jelly-home: Which part? |
| 18:09.19 | jelly-home | nejucomo: current testing is a mess |
| 18:09.39 | `Z` | Actually, im trying to install grub on .vdi (virtualbox virtual drive file) file |
| 18:09.41 | nejucomo | Since I've already done that, if I replace "testing" with "stable" can I do a dist-upgrade sanely? |
| 18:09.42 | jelly-home | nejucomo: if you want debian 7, /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 18:09.44 | `Z` | and it's a pain in the ass. |
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| 18:10.11 | jelly-home | nejucomo: if you stopped the command before it actually installed or removed anything, yes |
| 18:10.25 | NoDLL | Hello, does anybody knows if Debian is a LSB Certified distribution? |
| 18:10.32 | nejucomo | No, I did not. I reran apt-get dist-upgrade and apt-get -f install and removed some stuff. |
| 18:11.03 | nejucomo | Anyway, I don't *think* that could be my issue here, right? |
| 18:11.13 | nejucomo | I tried running simply: urxvt -fn 'xft:Symbola' |
| 18:11.28 | nejucomo | It indeed has an ugly font, and I still get a box with question mark for that codepoint. |
| 18:11.31 | nejucomo | hrmph. |
| 18:11.36 | nejucomo | I need to go. |
| 18:11.51 | nejucomo | Thanks a lot for the help! |
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| 18:12.15 | jelly-home | you're welcome, I guess, even tho we didn't actually solve anything |
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| 18:14.35 | Dark_light | Is there a reason why chromium has a bell? like the terminal one, I can hear it when I press backspace in the address bar when there are no characters |
| 18:14.47 | nejucomo | jelly-home: Which versino of urxvt do you use? |
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| 18:14.55 | nejucomo | Also, is it "rxvt-unicode" or a different package? |
| 18:15.55 | jelly-home | the one in wheezy i386, so 9.15-2; and yes it's the "rxvt-unicode" build |
| 18:16.12 | jelly-home | I've used -lite for a while but it was... too lite |
| 18:16.27 | Bronze | Dark_light: it has a bell to make sound. it makes a sound when you do something it thinks is wrong. You can probably replace thesound with a wav file. Like one that issues a raspberry sound, if you want. |
| 18:16.53 | Dark_light | Bronze: I'd just like to turn it off, do you know how ? |
| 18:17.09 | Bronze | nope, but I bet its in chrome:setting |
| 18:17.17 | Bronze | * chrome:settings |
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| 18:17.20 | chiel | is there a comparison between dm's i can read somewhere? |
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| 18:18.07 | Dark_light | Bronze: I looked around but could not find it |
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| 18:21.08 | lxsameer | hi, some of my applications which use gtk does not show any controls just a empty form, it happened after an upgrade, i'm in sid |
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| 18:27.38 | Devastator | what's the default WM when selecting Desktop Environment these days? KDE? |
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| 18:30.06 | Dark_light | Devastator: gnome 3 |
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| 18:31.06 | Dark_light | and nor kde neither gnome3 are WM but Desktop environments the respective WM are KWin and Mutter |
| 18:31.08 | Devastator | do you think a notebook with Core2Duo T5300 (1.6GHz, 2MB of cache iirc), 1GB of RAN and 120GB of HDD is enough for gnome3? |
| 18:31.19 | Devastator | sorry |
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| 18:32.06 | Dark_light | np common mistake, anyway it should run fine providing you have a video card capable of 3D rendering but don't expect a stellar performance |
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| 18:33.04 | jelly-home | Devastator: 1GB RAM is often not enough for a web browser these days |
| 18:33.23 | Dark_light | yeah that was what I was going to say the cpu should handle it but I'd worry about the ram |
| 18:33.42 | Dark_light | thankfully it's also dirt cheap these days |
| 18:33.55 | jelly-home | Devastator: if you can fill it up to 4GB, that'd be nice |
| 18:33.56 | Devastator | jelly-home I see, I'm limited to 2GB tops, but DDR2 is not easy to find these days |
| 18:34.01 | Devastator | specially for notebooks |
| 18:34.04 | jelly-home | oh, that old |
| 18:34.21 | Devastator | unfortunately, yeah |
| 18:34.49 | Dark_light | I run it on a single core cpu with 1 gb ddr2 of ram, as I said the performance is not on par with my other machine that's a dual core i7 but it's very usable |
| 18:35.14 | Dark_light | just don't open too many tabs in your browser :P |
| 18:35.33 | Devastator | I plan to use it for audio recording, like audacity or something |
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| 18:37.26 | Devastator | well, I guess I should download DVD1 with xfce, to save some ram, no? |
| 18:38.08 | Dark_light | it will be lighter yes but with the limited resources you have honestly I don't think it's going to have a huge impact |
| 18:38.27 | Dark_light | when it comes to audio recording |
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| 18:40.56 | boudiccas | in wheezy pavucontrol just shows 'dummy output' instead of the default ' 1 [Generic_1 ]: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic HD-Audio Generic at 0xfeb40000 irq 16' how do i change it please? |
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| 18:43.44 | jelly-home | boudiccas: where exactly does it show that? |
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| 18:44.46 | Devastator | Dark_light well, netinstall it is, as it is a clean install, I can reinstall it if I feel it's hogging too many resources with gnome3 |
| 18:44.50 | jelly-home | boudiccas: switch to Configuration tab. Is your real card listed there? |
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| 18:45.27 | boudiccas | no |
| 18:45.31 | _DomY-Dom | Anyone an expert with Owncoud on Debian ? => http://forum.owncloud.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=11333 |
| 18:45.37 | boudiccas | no cards are listted there |
| 18:45.59 | boudiccas | i sense a reboot to see if that sorts it |
| 18:46.01 | jelly-home | boudiccas: what about "aplay -l" output? |
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| 18:46.56 | boudiccas | jelly, yesm that shows card 1: Generic_1 [HD-Audio Generic], device 0: ALC662 rev1 Analog [ALC662 rev1 Analog] |
| 18:47.21 | jelly-home | boudiccas: restart PA, see if that helps. "pactl exit" in a terminal |
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| 18:48.01 | jelly-home | it will take a bit for pavucontrol to reconnect to the new instance |
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| 18:49.44 | Devastator | ugh, my connection is really bad, 35Mbit downloading at 200kb/s, using my country's mirror |
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| 18:51.59 | boudiccas | jelly, this is a new user, should it be part of the 'alsa group'? |
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| 18:52.28 | boudiccas | or 'audio' group? |
| 18:52.54 | Devastator | maybe audio, yes, but wait for jelly's confirmation |
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| 18:53.12 | boudiccas | [still waiting for PA to restart, thought I'd be clever and start it as a service, didnt work, still got dummy card] |
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| 18:53.43 | boudiccas | i have sound from mpd atm, but no sound when playing back videos |
| 18:53.43 | Devastator | I'm gonna reconnect, brb |
| 18:53.55 | jelly-home | boudiccas: technically this consolekit stuff ought to give that group dynamically, but it's reasonably safe to add the user to audio group if related functionality seems missing |
| 18:54.06 | boudiccas | jelly, thanks |
| 18:54.15 | jelly-home | boudiccas: which use is mpd running as? |
| 18:54.18 | jelly-home | user* |
| 18:54.43 | jelly-home | boudiccas: don't run pulseaudio as service, let the X session start it |
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| 18:55.41 | boudiccas | am doing so atm |
| 18:55.54 | boudiccas | mpd runs as boudiccas |
| 18:56.07 | jelly-home | boudiccas: which is the old user or the new one? |
| 18:56.16 | boudiccas | jelly, new one |
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| 18:56.26 | jelly-home | boudiccas: can you configure it to output via pulseaudio? |
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| 18:56.33 | boudiccas | new=boudiccas, old=boztu |
| 18:56.54 | boudiccas | jelly, probably, i've always gone with the defaults of alsa |
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| 18:57.43 | thechef | Hi |
| 18:57.54 | jelly-home | boudiccas: pulseaudio probably won't like something else be attached to the alsa device directly |
| 18:58.15 | jelly-home | so if you're using PA, best make _everything_ use PA |
| 18:59.12 | boudiccas | jelly, audio:x:29:pulse,boztu,timidity,mpd,boudiccas from /etc/group. already done must've been yesterday |
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| 18:59.34 | thechef | I'm trying to build wine myself. I help myself with "apt-get build-dep -a i386 wine", but it can't satisfy the default build dependencies because of oss-dev? I think I will exclude oss-support. Is there a way to install build-dependencies except oss-dev? |
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| 19:00.09 | thechef | The first question isn't a question. I can't install oss-dev, because it says: |
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| 19:00.29 | thechef | oss4-dev can't be found |
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| 19:01.52 | boudiccas | jelly, this is .asoundrc http://dpaste.com/1186749/ |
| 19:02.10 | jelly-home | boudiccas: I can't read .asoundrc. |
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| 19:03.02 | lorenzo | hi! I'm trying to install debian netinst, I downloaded this one "debian-7.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso" |
| 19:03.15 | lorenzo | but after selecting the keyboard layout, it tells me that it cannot find the cd-rom o_O |
| 19:03.37 | boudiccas | jelly |
| 19:03.44 | boudiccas | not even the dpast link? |
| 19:04.27 | mtn | lorenzo: how are you trying to install? from usb? from cdrom? |
| 19:04.31 | boudiccas | lets try that again, in english! |
| 19:04.37 | jelly-home | boudiccas: I mean, I don't know whether it makes sense or not for your setup, and I don't know what it does. |
| 19:04.44 | lorenzo | mtn, usb |
| 19:05.01 | boudiccas | jelly, ah right, its pointing to the default casrd, so it should work |
| 19:05.12 | mtn | lorenzo: how did you burn it to the usb? |
| 19:05.22 | lorenzo | mtn, I used "Universal-USB-Installer-1.9.3.4.exe" |
| 19:05.27 | jelly-home | boudiccas: apss ought to default to pulseaudio, not the physical card |
| 19:06.08 | mtn | lorenzo: that is probably the issue, but you need someone that knows windows to help. I have heard dd works better. |
| 19:06.27 | jelly-home | boudiccas: I'd probably move that file away |
| 19:07.06 | boudiccas | jelly, k, i'll just rename it then for the time being |
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| 19:08.26 | testopensuse | hello |
| 19:08.36 | jelly-home | boudiccas: have you reconfigured mpd to use pulse? |
| 19:08.37 | testopensuse | is here debian channel ??? |
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| 19:08.59 | jelly-home | testopensuse: yes, this channel is for Debian tech support. |
| 19:09.05 | testopensuse | cool |
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| 19:09.24 | testopensuse | I have a question for Debian fedora 17 |
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| 19:09.40 | jelly-home | testopensuse: Fedora is a different operating system. |
| 19:09.48 | antiwire | debian fedora 17!!1 AWESOME |
| 19:09.52 | testopensuse | OH OK |
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| 19:09.55 | antiwire | hehe |
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| 19:10.15 | lorenzo | mtn, ok thanks, I'll try with unetbooting |
| 19:10.15 | jelly-home | it's that time of the week, it seems |
| 19:10.34 | mtn | lorenzo: I have heard it causes problem, too :P |
| 19:10.43 | testopensuse | how can I change brightness ??? |
| 19:10.54 | jelly-home | testopensuse: what is your native language? |
| 19:10.56 | lorenzo | :( I don't have any linux machine for dd |
| 19:10.59 | testopensuse | jelly-home: frensh |
| 19:11.02 | jelly-home | !fr |
| 19:11.03 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 19:11.19 | mtn | lorenzo: there is dd for windows, I believee |
| 19:11.29 | testopensuse | who can help me now ? |
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| 19:11.40 | antiwire | I just installed Wheezy onto my Dell Poweredge 1900 with Dual quad cores and PERC RAID5 and it loves it. I have I KVM running on it with a Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise VM and a couple other linux distros rocking away |
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| 19:12.05 | _DomY-Dom | Seriously, no debian users have ever configured owncloud on this channel? => http://forum.owncloud.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=11333&p=29357#p29357 |
| 19:12.14 | abrotman | testopensuse: help you with what? |
| 19:12.20 | abrotman | _DomY-Dom: you perhaps? |
| 19:12.24 | bwat47 | When can I expect kernel 3.8 to reach wheezy backports? |
| 19:12.25 | jelly-home | abrotman: joining #debianfr |
| 19:12.31 | testopensuse | with display brightness abrotman |
| 19:12.36 | abrotman | testopensuse: in what? |
| 19:12.39 | testopensuse | in debian |
| 19:12.48 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: well yes and no if you read the post :p |
| 19:13.03 | abrotman | testopensuse: which version of linux? |
| 19:13.20 | testopensuse | i have debian 7 squeeze i think |
| 19:13.26 | abrotman | no |
| 19:13.26 | STMelon | 7 is wheezy |
| 19:13.37 | STMelon | 6 is squeeze |
| 19:13.45 | testopensuse | it tells me wheezy |
| 19:13.58 | testopensuse | oh no wait |
| 19:14.02 | abrotman | testopensuse: you might want to be more explicit with your issue ... |
| 19:14.08 | testopensuse | i have debian wheezy 3.2.0 |
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| 19:14.17 | ompaul | testopensuse: pastebin the following data /etc/apt/sources.list thank you |
| 19:14.21 | boudiccas | jelly, yes, just done so, restarted mpd but unable to use as still waiting for PA to start |
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| 19:14.35 | val_erie | I need to install mod_xsendfile. I downloaded ind compiled it with apxs2 -cia mod_xsendfile.c command. The instructions I am following telling me "add the appropriate LoadModule directive to your Apache configuration to load the xsendfile module" , but I already have xsendfile.load in mods-enabled. Do I still need to add LoadModule directive? |
| 19:14.36 | ompaul | testopensuse: we use paste.debian.net cos there are no adverts |
| 19:14.36 | jelly-home | boudiccas: did it not restart? |
| 19:14.47 | boudiccas | jelly, no, its still waiting |
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| 19:15.02 | jelly-home | boudiccas: that ought to happen pretty much immediately |
| 19:15.37 | jelly-home | boudiccas: start "alsamixer". Does it default to pulseaudio and show its only virtual Master volume setting? |
| 19:15.49 | boudiccas | jelly, it says 'establishing connection to pulseaudio. please wait' |
| 19:15.59 | jelly-home | hmm |
| 19:16.20 | jelly-home | boudiccas: oh well, start it manually, pulseaudio & |
| 19:16.25 | boudiccas | jelly |
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| 19:16.32 | chiel | so i installed gdm3, i guess then i need to install a window manager as well, right? |
| 19:16.36 | chiel | like i3? |
| 19:16.37 | boudiccas | jelly, no, still showing alsa by the look of it |
| 19:16.44 | abrotman | chiel: i3 is a window manager? |
| 19:16.46 | jelly-home | boudiccas: and PLEASE no highlighting without content |
| 19:16.53 | testopensuse | http://paste.debian.net/5229/ |
| 19:17.04 | chiel | abrotman: i know, so i need that, on top of having a dm, right? |
| 19:17.29 | ompaul | testopensuse: that is very wrong on many levels. |
| 19:17.32 | abrotman | chiel: a DM enables graphical login, that's it |
| 19:17.41 | testopensuse | ompaul: really? |
| 19:17.42 | jelly-home | ompaul: that's a troll if I ever saw one |
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| 19:17.54 | ompaul | jelly-home: I was going to have fun but yeah |
| 19:17.56 | ompaul | testopensuse: go away |
| 19:18.01 | abrotman | testopensuse: good luck, your system is broken |
| 19:18.03 | jelly-home | ompaul: watch it counter immediately |
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| 19:18.13 | boudiccas | jelly, still no sound cards showing in'configuration' of pavucontrol, and still shjowing 'dummy output' as the playback device |
| 19:18.15 | testopensuse | I paid a PC company who installed for me |
| 19:18.20 | ompaul | with "you angry bro?" |
| 19:18.28 | abrotman | testopensuse: get your money back, good luck |
| 19:18.32 | jelly-home | no, "I'm not a troll" |
| 19:18.32 | ompaul | testopensuse: I guess you need to visit them good bye |
| 19:18.40 | testopensuse | they told me they mixed some things that I am safer |
| 19:18.56 | abrotman | worst troll ever |
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| 19:18.59 | ompaul | testopensuse: what part of go and away didn't you understand |
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| 19:19.17 | jelly-home | boudiccas: weird. Is there anything else hogging the hw cards? /msg dpkg list alsa users |
| 19:19.36 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.46 | ompaul | fail :) |
| 19:19.48 | chiel | abrotman: ah ok, ta :) |
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| 19:22.27 | boudiccas | jelly, i can only get fuser command to run which gives '/dev/snd/controlC1: boudiccas 11534 F.... mixer_applet2' |
| 19:23.08 | jelly-home | boudiccas: run it as root |
| 19:23.36 | citizen_stig | hello, is it possible to set one of two optional fields required on model level? |
| 19:23.48 | val_erie | Do I need to use LoadModule xsendfile_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_xsendfile.so in debian to load the module |
| 19:23.49 | boudiccas | ah right |
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| 19:27.01 | boudiccas | jelly, '11534 ? Sl 0:01 /usr/lib/mate-media/mixer_applet2 ' which is feasible as i'm running mate atm |
| 19:27.15 | boudiccas | so give us a couple of minutes and i'll og onto lxde |
| 19:28.09 | jelly-home | boudiccas: the important thing to note is any apps hogging /dev/snd/pcm*, usage of control* isn't that problematic |
| 19:28.28 | abrotman | citizen_stig: wrong channel ? |
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| 19:29.00 | citizen_stig | abrotman: yes, sorry. =) |
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| 19:30.29 | lorenzo | mtn, you're right. used dd.exe, worked :) |
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| 19:32.55 | elkingrey | I can't seem to get my VPN to turn on in the network manager. I was able to configure my VPN and everything but when I click the network manager icon, and then click VPN connections, it won't turn on. If I click on network settings, then click on my VPN, I can click the on button, but it doesn't really turn on. |
| 19:33.54 | abrotman | elkingrey: checked logs for errors? |
| 19:34.11 | elkingrey | abrotman: No, which logs would I check? |
| 19:34.32 | mtn | lorenzo: nice! |
| 19:35.01 | boudiccas | jelly, result! 4758 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/timidity -Os -iAD so i'll kill that and try pulseaudio again |
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| 19:35.29 | jelly-home | oh good grief, some else still uses timidity? |
| 19:36.19 | serafeim | hallo to everyone! I have serious wireless connection problems. Sometimes I can connect but sometimes not at all |
| 19:36.33 | abrotman | elkingrey: messages and/or syslog |
| 19:37.07 | elkingrey | abrotman: Kind of a newb. Just installed Debian last night. |
| 19:37.15 | elkingrey | abrotman: Where do I fond those? |
| 19:37.30 | jelly-home | boudiccas: if you still need midi, fluidsynth has a bit nicer sound at the expense of LOTS more cpu usage |
| 19:38.12 | mtn | dpkg: tell serafeim about ask |
| 19:38.24 | lorenzo | mtn, after the partitioning tasksel should come up right? |
| 19:38.30 | abrotman | elkingrey: /var/log/ |
| 19:38.31 | boudiccas | jelly, i basically need mpd, as i listen to all my music with it and also streaming radio too |
| 19:38.47 | jelly-home | boudiccas: so you don't need timidity |
| 19:39.01 | boudiccas | jelly, nope |
| 19:39.03 | mtn | lorenzo: not sure of the exact order. what does come up for you? |
| 19:39.46 | lorenzo | mtn, nevermind, it started working again :P I tought it was stuck |
| 19:39.51 | jelly-home | boudiccas: disable the timidity service and/or uninstall it, and reconfigure mpd to use pulseaudio. The latter might prove problematic since PA only starts after you log in, and I suspect mpd starts as a service |
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| 19:40.42 | boudiccas | jelly, yes it does, but with $USER as the runner before you log in. once you're logged in it hands over control to you |
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| 19:41.21 | jelly-home | boudiccas: that doesn't make much sense |
| 19:41.54 | elkingrey | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/Vsm6vikF |
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| 19:42.31 | boudiccas | jelly, if i log off leaving mpd playing, or reboot, when i come back to logon at lightdm i can hear plainly then, soits running as a service, which is haned over to $USER boudiccas once logged in |
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| 19:42.45 | boudiccas | handed |
| 19:43.26 | abrotman | elkingrey: looking |
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| 19:43.50 | jelly-home | boudiccas: in any case, configure it to use pulse as well. |
| 19:43.59 | boudiccas | jelly, am doing |
| 19:44.04 | abrotman | elkingrey: ugh, that's not very descriptive .. what kind of VPN is this ? |
| 19:44.04 | serafeim | I' m running Debian wheezy. When I try to connect to wireless network, asks for a password, can't connect and after a while there are no available networks at network manager. I switch on and off the wireless but nothing happens. I am forced to reboot many times to manage to connect to a wireless network. |
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| 19:45.29 | wdonkey | hello |
| 19:45.31 | lorenzo | should I select "laptop" from tasksel even if my laptop is going to be used as a server? |
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| 19:45.46 | wdonkey | what does ls -R / && ls -R / && ls -R / do ? |
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| 19:45.48 | mtn | lorenzo: yes, I would think so |
| 19:45.52 | lorenzo | ok |
| 19:46.09 | elkingrey | abrotman: It's BTGuard, I got it working through the network manager on Ubuntu no problem. I can also get it working from the terminal just fine, too, but I'd rather it be just a button click in the network manager, like on Ubuntu if possible. |
| 19:46.19 | ksuhku | wdonkey, man ls |
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| 19:46.33 | chiel | hrm... so i installed gdm3 and i3. it boots nicely with the login screen etc, but when i login it doesn't boot i3, is there something i should do to get that working? |
| 19:46.41 | abrotman | elkingrey: i'd double check your settings |
| 19:46.54 | abrotman | chiel: what does it give you instead ? |
| 19:47.03 | ksuhku | wdonkey, && means AND as in if prev command succeeded, run next command |
| 19:47.06 | elkingrey | abrotman: I have, several times. =( |
| 19:47.10 | chiel | abrotman: i'm not sure. i just have a debian background |
| 19:47.14 | chiel | and a bar along the top |
| 19:47.25 | wdonkey | ksuhku, i just ran the command by mistake, did i f*cked my system ? |
| 19:47.33 | chiel | with applications and i can log out and such |
| 19:47.44 | elkingrey | abrotman: I dont' know if it's related, but my wired connection says unmanaged next to it. It never said anything like that in Ubuntu, What's that all about? |
| 19:47.45 | abrotman | chiel: use "ps aux" and see what it might be .. sort of sounds like gnome3 |
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| 19:47.51 | ksuhku | wdonkey, read the manual page |
| 19:48.04 | abrotman | elkingrey: is there any way to get it to use a debug mode from network-manager? |
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| 19:48.17 | ksuhku | wdonkey, man ls |
| 19:48.37 | wdonkey | yes yes |
| 19:48.39 | wdonkey | thanks |
| 19:48.42 | chiel | abrotman: hmm yea, seems to be gnome |
| 19:48.54 | chiel | i thought gdm3 wasn't full gnome? or is this something else? |
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| 19:49.10 | elkingrey | abrotman: I have no idea. That might be over my head. |
| 19:49.14 | wdonkey | ksuhku, what does "list subdirectories recursively" means !? |
| 19:49.15 | abrotman | chiel: it's not, but you may have installed gnome3 unknowningly |
| 19:49.20 | abrotman | elkingrey: let me google a minute |
| 19:49.27 | chiel | hrm, pretty sure i didn't |
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| 19:49.51 | mtn | chiel: log out and you can choose your window mangager. I think it is under "sessions" |
| 19:49.58 | ksuhku | wdonkey, it means that if a directory contains a directory, contents of both will be displayed |
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| 19:50.10 | wdonkey | ok |
| 19:50.18 | wdonkey | why would i have to run this on a system install ? |
| 19:50.26 | ksuhku | wdonkey, you wouldn't |
| 19:50.27 | chiel | in ps aux there's gdm-simple-slave, dunno what that is |
| 19:50.28 | mtn | wdonkey: don't run commands you don't understand :P |
| 19:50.33 | chiel | mtn: where do i see that? :o |
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| 19:51.05 | mtn | chiel: what, log out? look at the upper right corner for your login name, click there and look for logout |
| 19:51.05 | wdonkey | mtn, i'd still be running win3.1 in that case |
| 19:51.09 | serafeim | wdonkey: dodn't worry, i think you can't harm your system with the ls command. |
| 19:51.18 | wdonkey | ok |
| 19:51.19 | mtn | wdonkey: no comment |
| 19:51.35 | chiel | i meant the session stuff, lemme see. |
| 19:51.58 | chiel | i don't see anywhere where i can pick a wm :( |
| 19:51.59 | ksuhku | wdonkey, if somebody suggests you some weird command, the first thing is to read the man pages to figure out what the heck it will do |
| 19:52.16 | mtn | chiel: did you logout? get to the gdm3 screen? |
| 19:52.49 | chiel | aye, i logged out and i get the login screen |
| 19:53.08 | abrotman | elkingrey: the googs have a few items .. one is to remove the password so you have to enter it each time .. another mentions your default route |
| 19:53.11 | mtn | chiel: you don't see something called sessions? what do you see? |
| 19:53.19 | chiel | at the top it says the date/time, and then at the top right there's screen read and i can suspend/restart etc. |
| 19:53.37 | mtn | chiel: nothing else? |
| 19:53.45 | chiel | nope :/ |
| 19:53.56 | chiel | how can i double-check if i have i3 installed? |
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| 19:54.01 | mtn | chiel: doesn't sound like gdm3 then |
| 19:54.18 | mtn | chiel: use aptiude search i3 or whatever it is called |
| 19:54.37 | chiel | "root 2226 0.0 0.0 83936 3268 ? Sl 23:21 0:00 /usr/sbin/gdm3" |
| 19:54.45 | chiel | it's running :s |
| 19:55.03 | chiel | and i3 is definitely installed as well |
| 19:55.11 | mtn | chiel: well, I don't know why you don't see a way to change your session/windowmanager |
| 19:56.08 | chiel | so weird |
| 19:56.12 | chiel | lemme google around a bit |
| 19:56.48 | abrotman | chiel: there is a way |
| 19:56.56 | mtn | chiel: when at the login window, type your username or click it, then you can see the options right below |
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| 19:57.14 | abrotman | chiel: when you select your name, there should be a menu in the lower left of the login window that says "System Default" .. what are your other options ? |
| 19:57.43 | chiel | ah i see it |
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| 19:57.46 | chiel | there is indeed i3 |
| 19:57.50 | chiel | GNOME and FNOME Classic |
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| 19:57.56 | chiel | G* |
| 19:57.59 | chiel | thanks :) |
| 19:58.03 | abrotman | all working ? |
| 19:58.08 | mtn | chiel: good deal |
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| 19:58.33 | chiel | works a charm, thanks guys :) |
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| 19:58.52 | chiel | i love this channel :D |
| 19:59.01 | chiel | got so much help here the past two days. very cool |
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| 20:02.42 | elkingrey | abrotman: http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager#Documentation Got it all working once I switched the managed=false to managed=true. Thanks for the help! |
| 20:04.30 | abrotman | elkingrey: glad it worked out |
| 20:04.37 | abrotman | seems strange that would block it but oh well |
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| 20:11.06 | boudiccas | sod it, even after reboot, pavucontrol is still showing 'dummy output' and no sound cards detected in 'configuration' tab |
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| 20:19.10 | jvelezc | when i perform a make install does it go to /bin? |
| 20:19.17 | boudiccas | how do i get my soundcard to be recognised please. pavucontrol just shows no sound cards detected, and dummy output giving no sound at all |
| 20:19.35 | jvelezc | or /usr/local/bin? |
| 20:20.06 | petn-randall | jvelezc: It entirely depends on the Makefile where the files end up in. |
| 20:20.30 | jvelezc | darn |
| 20:20.52 | petn-randall | boudiccas: Sorry if it's already been answered in the backlog: What sound card and release? |
| 20:21.35 | boudiccas | petn-randall, card 1: Generic_1 [HD-Audio Generic], device 0: ALC662 rev1 Analog [ALC662 rev1 Analog] release/ runnign wheezy for 6+ months now |
| 20:21.46 | boudiccas | should be 'release?' |
| 20:21.46 | petn-randall | jvelezc: I wouldn't recommend installing programs like this unless absolutely necerssary. |
| 20:22.02 | petn-randall | boudiccas: squeeze/wheezy/jessie/sid? |
| 20:22.21 | boudiccas | petn-randall, just said, wheezy for 6+ months now |
| 20:22.37 | jvelezc | http://crust.cacr.caltech.edu/~leif/csn/deps/ what would be the equivalent to libusb in this site via apt-get |
| 20:22.49 | Alina-malina | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.54 | Alina-malina | *debian |
| 20:23.51 | abrotman | Alina-malina: ask #ubuntu please |
| 20:23.52 | petn-randall | boudiccas: And sound doesn't work at all? Or is it just not controllable by pavucontrol? |
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| 20:24.11 | Alina-malina | abrotman, i am sorry i misswrite it, i mean debian! |
| 20:24.18 | abrotman | yeah, sure |
| 20:24.24 | boudiccas | petn-randall, i have sound with alsa, for mpd but not watching videos, so i'm trying to move vereything iover to PA |
| 20:24.42 | petn-randall | boudiccas: I see. |
| 20:25.13 | Alina-malina | abrotman, ? |
| 20:25.17 | abrotman | ? |
| 20:25.30 | jvelezc | If you ever happen to want to link against installed libraries |
| 20:25.31 | jvelezc | in a given directory, LIBDIR, you must either use libtool, (does this mean symlinks) |
| 20:25.34 | boudiccas | petn-randall, i just need to know where to tap the mobo with a hammer to getthe soundcard working |
| 20:25.55 | Alina-malina | abrotman, Is there any solution? I would apreciate if you could advice me the best server? |
| 20:26.21 | abrotman | Alina-malina: i have no idea what packages are in ubuntu |
| 20:26.39 | Alina-malina | abrotman, no i mean in Debian not Ubuntu, i misspell that! |
| 20:26.44 | STMelon | waves 2 abrotman |
| 20:26.50 | ompaul | the only letter you got right was the n |
| 20:26.53 | STMelon | lol |
| 20:27.11 | Alina-malina | i am sorry i am very tired and misswrite the word |
| 20:27.22 | Alina-malina | anyway thanks and sory for confusion |
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| 20:31.23 | tcope | looken for the default way to create a mount point. The Disk Utility seems to let u manage every other aspect but cant seem to find a mount point option. |
| 20:31.57 | ompaul | tcope: there are many disk utilities also u is a word in Dutch not in English :) |
| 20:32.16 | tcope | :) |
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| 20:32.48 | ompaul | tcope: as root fdisk -l is useful for finding partitions |
| 20:32.59 | ompaul | later on mount will work with them |
| 20:33.14 | tcope | the default utility called "Disk Utility" that installs by default in Debian 7 amd64 |
| 20:33.30 | ompaul | ah you mean in gnome - not something I use |
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| 20:35.44 | tcope | I dont mind creating and managing all my raid sets by hand etc .. actually prefer it . but when it comes to creating a simple mount point hand editing the fstab was cool in 60's but simply iritating now adays .. what gui tool comes default ? |
| 20:36.10 | nutron | Running wheezy, for the past short while, some videos from youtube clip the sound, others don't. Seems to me that it must be codec related, or maybe I have some settings for alsamxier cranked. I've checked those and they seem fine. Is this a known problem? |
| 20:36.59 | Alina-malina | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.34 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i was trying to install wheezy but after trying to log in i got this error before the desktop even showed up: "a problem has occurred and the system cannot recover" which forced me to reboot my system; after playing around to find a solution, i gave up and tried sid to see if it resolved the issue and it did. i wanna stay with wheezy because of security updates. i'm thinking it is the kernel; is there any way to upgrade the kernel |
| 20:38.34 | paranoidphreak | to the latest version while i use wheezy and would it have any security conflicts beceuse i upgrade the kernel while the system is wheezy? |
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| 20:39.45 | tcope | is there not a default way to create a mount point via GUI ? |
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| 20:42.37 | jvelezc | ftdi.c:4052: error: âLIBUSB_ENDPOINT_OUTâ undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 20:42.52 | jvelezc | when i try make on a daemon i get ftdi.c:4052: error: âLIBUSB_ENDPOINT_OUTâ undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 20:43.10 | jvelezc | i think is because i am not adding usblib depency correctly |
| 20:43.17 | jvelezc | dependency |
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| 20:45.09 | petn-randall | jvelezc: What are you trying to compile? |
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| 20:45.33 | jvelezc | a custom program that has a dependcy to another program called usblib |
| 20:45.43 | petn-randall | boudiccas: Does the daemon.log maybe give you a hint what might be going wrong? |
| 20:46.19 | jvelezc | i am pretty sure i am not compiling the depency correctly (the custom program assumes that usblib will be installed in a particular directory) which i dont know how to do. |
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| 20:46.42 | jvelezc | i tried symlink it but that didnt work |
| 20:46.46 | petn-randall | jvelezc: I'd check the README coming with the program first. |
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| 20:47.47 | petn-randall | jvelezc: Usually the ./configure step will find the libaries it needs and writes a Makefile. If not, the program might be buggy and it would be best to ask in the program's community/forum/mailing list. |
| 20:48.47 | jvelezc | here what it says but i am confused |
| 20:48.48 | jvelezc | By default, `make install' installs the package's commands under |
| 20:48.48 | jvelezc | `/usr/local/bin', include files under `/usr/local/include', etc |
| 20:48.54 | jvelezc | can specify an installation prefix other than `/usr/local' by giving |
| 20:48.55 | jvelezc | `configure' the option `--prefix=PREFIX'. |
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| 20:49.13 | jvelezc | prefix?? does that mean ARCH |
| 20:49.19 | abrotman | no |
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| 20:49.53 | abrotman | jvelezc: in short, it will install things in $PREFIX/bin or $PREFIX/lib .. etc .. so you can chyange where it installs |
| 20:49.54 | jvelezc | what does PREFIX mean is it just a variable |
| 20:50.42 | jvelezc | so i could do ./configure --prefix=/root/temp/ |
| 20:50.44 | abrotman | it's a filesystem path |
| 20:50.49 | abrotman | sure, you could, if that path exists |
| 20:50.54 | jvelezc | k |
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| 20:52.09 | jvelezc | if my parent directory was deps and it had children lib, include, and bin |
| 20:52.44 | jvelezc | in order for make install to work should it be ./configure --prefix=/root/deps |
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| 20:53.13 | jvelezc | should i assume thing will be stored in the bin, include and lib |
| 20:53.18 | jvelezc | things |
| 20:53.25 | elkingrey | So, I've almost completely finished my transition from non-free software at Ubuntu to totaly free-software with Debian. I can do just about everything I want, inlcuding watching Youtube videos. But one thing I haven't gotten to work yet is streaming video online. Is there any way around that? I have gnash installed, but it's not working. |
| 20:53.54 | abrotman | elkingrey: try vlc maybe |
| 20:54.00 | paxcoder | could a key be set up so that releasing it has the same effect as if it were pressed another time? Eg. it'd effectively make capslock into a shift key. |
| 20:54.03 | xand | or mplayer |
| 20:54.16 | xand | though what do you mean - how is that different from youtube? |
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| 20:54.46 | abrotman | jvelezc: that doesn't make sense? |
| 20:55.17 | elkingrey | I don't know. I think youtube is transitioning to html5 or something. |
| 20:55.29 | xand | some videos are html5 yes |
| 20:55.33 | abrotman | some things yes .. not all |
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| 20:55.52 | jvelezc | basically http://hastebin.com/xiqofesife.vhdl |
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| 20:56.33 | jvelezc | if you go to http://hastebin.com/xiqofesife.vhdl i have to make the depencies be installed using that directory structure given there |
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| 20:58.08 | elkingrey | Can't get this to stream: http://weplaylive.tv/live-news-stream/ Is there any ways to find out if flash, and only flash will work for this? |
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| 20:59.06 | jvelezc | super confused sorry. i dont even know what items should be inside those folders. |
| 20:59.10 | f8l | chiel: With your persistence, you'll be an i3-ninja in no time. ;-) |
| 20:59.13 | paxcoder | elkingrey, apart from YouTube, gnash seldom manages to play flash video players |
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| 20:59.33 | abrotman | elkingrey: there's also lightspark |
| 20:59.37 | petn-randall | elkingrey: the non-free player plays that stream. I think the gnash player doesn't fully support the flash 11 "standard", only up to 7 or so. |
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| 21:00.21 | elkingrey | So, I guess it's adobe flash or I go without? |
| 21:00.25 | paxcoder | if they could support 11, they'd match Adobe's GNU/Linux support |
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| 21:01.04 | paxcoder | elkingrey, you could try and squeeze out the stream somehow |
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| 21:01.50 | paxcoder | However, I had no luck with rtmp if that's what's behind it. |
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| 21:02.42 | ReAzemm | Hello! I have a very long rsync task in con.daily. It seems to be blocking the rest from executing, is there a way I can configure anacron/cron to run it after the others or to run it at the same time? |
| 21:03.12 | petn-randall | ReAzemm: The rest of the script? |
| 21:03.22 | petn-randall | ReAzemm: Or the other cron jobs? |
| 21:03.28 | ReAzemm | The other jobs. |
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| 21:03.57 | petn-randall | ReAzemm: I'm pretty sure it doesn't :). How did you come to that conclusion? |
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| 21:05.24 | ReAzemm | petn-randall: They are not scheduled tasks in crontab or anacrontab, they are just files I put in the cron.daily folder. From what I can understand this is ran trough run-parts and run-parts executes them one by one. |
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| 21:07.26 | petn-randall | ReAzemm: Ah, cron.daily, sorry, didn't read that. You could either put the script somewhere else and source it seperately in /etc/cron.d/, or just renamed it to zzz_myscript, run-parts executes them in lexical order. |
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| 21:07.53 | petn-randall | s/renamed/rename/ |
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| 21:09.12 | mucha | hello, im trying to download something using winetricks, but i cant because |
| 21:09.18 | mucha | "wineserver not found" |
| 21:09.23 | mucha | i cant find it, what to do |
| 21:10.52 | petn-randall | mucha: use 'apt-file' to find out in which package it is. It's probably one of those wine* packages. |
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| 21:13.12 | bash_noob | I just installed wheezy from Lenny, are you fucking kidding me? What is gnome3 doing on debian? |
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| 21:13.23 | elkingrey | Struggling to get lightspark installed. Anybody have any recommendations? http://pastebin.com/9wf9c2YJ |
| 21:13.43 | abrotman | bash_noob: you're welcome to use another window manager |
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| 21:13.51 | abrotman | elkingrey: there's a package for it |
| 21:13.56 | abrotman | judd: versions lightspark |
| 21:13.57 | judd | Package: lightspark on i386 -- wheezy: 0.6.0.1-2; jessie: 0.7.2-2; sid: 0.7.2-2 |
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| 21:14.47 | elkingrey | abrotman: How do I get it? It's not in the debian repo/ |
| 21:14.54 | abrotman | yes, it is |
| 21:15.00 | abrotman | judd: info lightspark |
| 21:15.01 | judd | Package lightspark (utils, optional) in wheezy/i386: High-performance SWF player (experimental). Version: 0.6.0.1-2; Size: 109.6k; Installed: 788k; Homepage: http://lightspark.sf.net |
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| 21:15.08 | abrotman | it's even in main |
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| 21:15.50 | Unirgy | hi, in `ps -o ??` what is the identifier of current, NOT cumulative cpu utilization? thanks |
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| 21:16.40 | bash_noob | abortman: I know that, but gnome got me into linux via Red Hat 13 years ago. . .a few seaches and it seems XFCE is the next option. Is there no way to make gnome3 look retro? I need the right click |
| 21:16.59 | elkingrey | abrotman: Hah! Must have misspelled it the first time I tried. Thanks! |
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| 21:17.25 | Shirakawasuna | bash_noob: If you like gnome2, xfce is what you want |
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| 21:18.03 | bash_noob | I heat it will not be supported for much longer as they use obsolet gtk . . . |
| 21:18.11 | bash_noob | I hear it will not be supported for much longer as they use obsolet gtk . . . |
| 21:18.13 | abrotman | bash_noob: i have right click |
| 21:18.15 | Shirakawasuna | my understanding is that gnome3 forces a lot of changes in the ui and has a crippled legacy shell, if any at all anymore that's supported |
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| 21:18.29 | abrotman | bash_noob: and XFCE is moving to gtk3 at some point .. plans are in the works |
| 21:18.35 | emss | bash_noob i think gnome 3 has a classic look or theme ... |
| 21:18.36 | Shirakawasuna | bash_noob: xfce is moving to gtk3 in the near future |
| 21:18.51 | bash_noob | :) |
| 21:18.56 | ompaul | Shirakawasuna: understanding ... did you test the veracity of that claim? |
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| 21:19.11 | abrotman | bash_noob: altnerately, wait for Cinnamon to appear for wheezy (if that happens) |
| 21:19.14 | bash_noob | thanks guys,I almost fell off my chair after boot |
| 21:19.16 | Shirakawasuna | they've already ported a number of their apps to gtk3 and it's been a goal for release for the last 2 releases |
| 21:19.33 | aboman | gnome3 isn't *that* bad with a few extenstions (ok a lot) |
| 21:19.35 | abrotman | bash_noob: but gnome3 is nice, just takes some getting used to .. if you odn't like it, plenty of alternatives |
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| 21:19.52 | aboman | you dont have to relearn that much, and you'll find things you like too |
| 21:19.55 | elkingrey | The debian repo only has an old version of lightspark, and my streaming still isn't working. Would like to get the newest version of lightspark installed. |
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| 21:20.17 | aboman | elkingrey: read your error. you dont have nasm installed |
| 21:20.36 | blocky_ | hi, I was wondering if it's possible to install debian on my laptop over wifi.. does the 64 bit netinst image come with the iwlwifi driver? |
| 21:20.38 | Shirakawasuna | I guess I shouldn't say near future |
| 21:20.42 | Shirakawasuna | I should say the next couple of releases |
| 21:20.52 | mumpitzel | !tell blocky_ about firmware images |
| 21:21.00 | mumpitzel | blocky_: iwlwifi needs non-free firmware |
| 21:21.03 | abrotman | elkingrey: so compile it yourself |
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| 21:21.39 | blocky_ | mumpitzel: ty |
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| 21:22.16 | bash_noob | blocky_ : I just downloaded and installed via a non free firmware image (using LAN) but all my cards showed up. Sure you wanna risk wifi and speed issues? |
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| 21:23.14 | blocky_ | bash_noob: it's worth a shot |
| 21:23.32 | abrotman | blocky_: i've done installs over wifi, it's fine |
| 21:23.46 | blocky_ | it's an intel centrino 6300 wifi |
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| 21:23.54 | bash_noob | lemme sinf you that link then: http://caesar.acc.umu.se/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-7.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 21:24.04 | blocky_ | bash_noob: thanks, downloading now |
| 21:24.29 | SunSoul | Hey all,I have Debian 7.0 installed with the XFCE version, how do I make the desktop icons that currently have a grayish background, and black text to have no background color, and white text? |
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| 21:25.10 | elkingrey | Installed nasm, still not building: http://pastebin.com/eVV3wLSM |
| 21:25.19 | blocky_ | i'll let you know how it goes, cheers |
| 21:25.41 | aboman | elkingrey: read it again. what is the other thing it cannot find? |
| 21:25.52 | bash_noob | SunSoul: Did you install XFCE from scratch or did you swap from gnome3? I need to do that now .. . how easy is it? |
| 21:26.10 | jvelezc | sol thanks everyone prefix plus make then make install did it |
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| 21:26.20 | elkingrey | abrotman: llvm? |
| 21:26.26 | abrotman | elkingrey: ?? |
| 21:26.41 | SunSoul | bash_noob, I installed XFCE from the LIVE CD ISO of Debian 7 |
| 21:26.54 | elkingrey | abrotman: Could not find LLVM executable |
| 21:26.58 | SunSoul | So it only has XFCE |
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| 21:27.22 | aboman | elkingrey: right llvm. then what do you do? |
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| 21:27.34 | bash_noob | SunSoul: Understood, will aptitude install XFCE work? |
| 21:27.36 | elkingrey | abrotman: Installing now. |
| 21:27.38 | jvelezc | also i did makeclean and make dist-clean before running the commands above |
| 21:28.11 | SunSoul | bash_noob as in to do what? reinstall XFCE? Or to replace thumbing? |
| 21:28.35 | bash_noob | SunSoul: replace gnome |
| 21:28.48 | SunSoul | Not sure |
| 21:28.54 | SunSoul | I should try that. |
| 21:29.05 | SunSoul | Because I want no thumbing on my icons... |
| 21:29.16 | SunSoul | I just want white letters, plus my wallpaper of choice |
| 21:29.29 | SunSoul | Not this grayish background on the text naming my icons. |
| 21:30.23 | bash_noob | After years of grey = "unselectable" gnome3 has it as the opposite! |
| 21:31.27 | SunSoul | Yeah, I think Gnome 3 has… just white text, on clear background, so that wallpapers show |
| 21:31.38 | SunSoul | Mint does the same thing. |
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| 21:33.54 | chiel | anyone have experience using i3 alongside gdm3, by any chance? |
| 21:34.16 | chiel | i3 seems to load just fine, but i can't actually open any new terminal windows or anything.. :/ |
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| 21:36.45 | ompaul | chiel: http://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html |
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| 21:39.00 | jimcooncat | hi, installed wheezy standard, then xfce4. Why can't I mount one of my old partitions from xfce4's places menu? Do I have to add myself to a "wheel" group? |
| 21:39.08 | SunSoul | bash_noob when you say aptitude, do you mean aptitude install? |
| 21:39.23 | bash_noob | Ok got back desktop icons through dconf editor :-) |
| 21:39.26 | bash_noob | yes I meant that |
| 21:39.38 | abrotman | bash_noob: try gnome-tweak-ui |
| 21:39.38 | bash_noob | but please resaerch as I am a bash noob :) |
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| 21:39.58 | abrotman | bash_noob: erm, gnome-tweak-tool |
| 21:40.03 | SunSoul | bash_noob you lost your desktop icons? |
| 21:40.13 | aboman | bash_noob: you'll want to visit here too: https://extensions.gnome.org/ |
| 21:40.16 | chiel | ompaul: yea was looking through that, but if i hit alt+enter, all i get is a "busy" cursor, no new terminal window opens. :/ |
| 21:40.22 | Devastator | ,pciid 1106:3371 |
| 21:40.23 | judd | [1106:3371] is 'CN896/VN896/P4M900 [Chrome 9 HC]' from 'VIA Technologies, Inc.' with kernel module 'viafb' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1106:3371 |
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| 21:41.00 | bash_noob | abrotman: will do sorry that was for SunSoul . .doing the tweak tool now and visiting link. |
| 21:41.01 | ompaul | chiel: you are the one with the interest and the itch, please feel free to scratch it :) I guess not many people here use that |
| 21:41.19 | chiel | ompaul: hehe, was just asking if anyone had experience, nothing more. :) |
| 21:41.36 | chiel | perhaps some conflict between gdm and i3 or so. |
| 21:42.21 | bash_noob | SunSoul: there were no desktop icons on boot in gnome3! |
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| 21:42.33 | abrotman | bash_noob: right, use gnome-tweak-tool |
| 21:42.33 | ompaul | chiel: unlikely |
| 21:42.34 | SunSoul | Ah, ok bash_noob |
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| 21:43.01 | elkingrey | abrotman: It's having a really hard time finding libcurl package even though I've got it installed: http://pastebin.com/8xmk25Sc |
| 21:43.11 | abrotman | elkingrey: curl-dev ? |
| 21:43.51 | abrotman | elkingrey: apt-cache -- search curl -dev |
| 21:44.04 | Devastator | how to get out of X? I tried "modprobe viafb" which screwed the screen and ctrl+alt+backspace ins't working |
| 21:44.30 | cusco | hi folks |
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| 21:44.37 | mumpitzel | Devastator: ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 21:44.44 | cusco | I instelled the kernel source and the grsec patch from debian repo |
| 21:44.57 | cusco | untared stuff in /usr/src |
| 21:45.00 | cusco | and applied the patch |
| 21:45.05 | cusco | and makemenuconfig |
| 21:45.09 | Devastator | mumpitzel nops, nothing till F12 |
| 21:45.12 | cusco | shows no grsecurity enu |
| 21:45.12 | elkingrey | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/yRnAyKfm |
| 21:45.18 | cusco | what would I be missing? |
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| 21:46.01 | brandonj | anybody know why my wlan is stuck with "soft blocked: yes" in rfkill? |
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| 21:46.03 | Devastator | do I force a shutdown? |
| 21:46.05 | abrotman | elkingrey: okay, and ? |
| 21:46.16 | elkingrey | abrotman: What am I looking for? |
| 21:46.27 | abrotman | elkingrey: the libcurl dev package |
| 21:46.42 | elkingrey | abrotman: I don't see one. |
| 21:46.44 | cusco | aw nvm |
| 21:47.01 | brandonj | 'rfkill unblock all' is ineffectual |
| 21:47.02 | abrotman | jimcooncat: who owns the monut point ? |
| 21:48.30 | jimcooncat | thanks abrotman, unfortuately I don't know where thunar (I think that controls it) places the mount point. |
| 21:49.17 | abrotman | jimcooncat: does it show an error or anything useful ? |
| 21:49.50 | jimcooncat | abrotman, unfortunately no. I'll look up how to add them to fstab, I'd like them permanent anyway. thanks |
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| 21:53.09 | elkingrey | abrotman: Okay, I think I got all of the deps installed, but now I have this weird problem: http://pastebin.com/wb8iFgPv |
| 21:53.56 | abrotman | elkingrey: says it's still missing libraries? |
| 21:54.26 | elkingrey | abrotman: Where? It looks like some settings are screwed up or something. |
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| 21:56.06 | abrotman | elkingrey: near the top of your paste |
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| 22:01.21 | elkingrey | abrotman: Okay, got cmake all finished. Now I have this error when running make: http://pastebin.com/MGbV9R6D |
| 22:02.12 | abrotman | need a lot more info than that |
| 22:02.16 | abrotman | !tell elkingrey about ssb |
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| 22:03.22 | elkingrey | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/eaek09f3 |
| 22:03.41 | negge | is there any way to decrease the display brightness on a laptop (Thinkpad T60) below the minimum? |
| 22:04.39 | SunSoul | bash_noob did aptitude install xfce, still the same. Have desktop icons with icons, under icon, greybackgrounds with the icon associated name such as trash with black lettering. |
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| 22:04.57 | abrotman | elkingrey: i'd really see what the bot told you about "ssb" |
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| 22:05.09 | elkingrey | abrotman: I'm trying to understand it. |
| 22:06.18 | bash_noob | SunSoul: I am not your man sorry I just managed a few things in gnome, someone please help with this ? ? ? |
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| 22:07.03 | SunSoul | This is what I currently have |
| 22:07.08 | SunSoul | Look at the icons and what is under them |
| 22:07.09 | SunSoul | http://tinyurl.com/b3vam6c |
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| 22:08.15 | elkingrey | abrotman: Am I missing more dependencies? I thought that's what cmake was supposed to weed out. |
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| 22:09.20 | abrotman | elkingrey: that's what the ./configure is usually for .. |
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| 22:09.32 | abrotman | elkingrey: using a simple sid backport is probably an easier idea |
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| 22:10.38 | SunSoul | I want something like this for my debian XFCE icons |
| 22:10.39 | SunSoul | http://tinyurl.com/agqbsfl |
| 22:10.48 | SunSoul | white text, with no backgrounds for the text itself |
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| 22:13.55 | elkingrey | abrotman: What do you mean? There was no ./configure command in the install instructions. |
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| 22:14.24 | Devastator | no wheezy-backports yet? |
| 22:14.47 | abrotman | Devastator: yes |
| 22:14.58 | elkingrey | Devastator: I tried getting set up with backports last night and couldn't. I'm on Wheezy. |
| 22:15.01 | Devastator | bummer.. |
| 22:15.06 | abrotman | they're there |
| 22:15.14 | elkingrey | I'm a noob. |
| 22:15.19 | elkingrey | But I couldn't get them working. |
| 22:15.31 | bash_noob | SunSoul: there might be an XFCE channel? |
| 22:15.33 | abrotman | http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/ .. for example |
| 22:15.49 | SunSoul | bash_noob, I am in there currently |
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| 22:16.55 | abrotman | !tell Devastator about wheezy-backports |
| 22:17.04 | elkingrey | abrotman: Do you see a specific dependency I'm still missing for lightspark? Would rather just install that than worry about backports all over again. I don't think I'm ready for that yet, or something. |
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| 22:17.19 | j_v | I'm trying to change from using kernel-package to following debian kernel-handbook for building custom kernel packages. I'm having issues trying to rebuild the debian/control after adjusting the debian/config/defines. I'm working with linux-3.8-2 on sid. |
| 22:17.35 | bash_noob | SunSoul: this? http://helpdeskgeek.com/how-to/enable-transparent-label-text-background-on-the-xfce-desktop/ |
| 22:17.44 | Devastator | abrotman thanks! but I don't think there is a package I want yet |
| 22:17.49 | Devastator | *there yet |
| 22:17.50 | abrotman | elkingrey: you're making your own .. you'd have to paste your whole build log |
| 22:18.02 | abrotman | elkingrey: using the 'ssb' method is generally preferred |
| 22:18.12 | SunSoul | reading bash_noob reading bash_noob |
| 22:18.13 | SunSoul | Thanks |
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| 22:19.23 | elkingrey | abrotman: I don't understand anything about the ssb method. I've never heard of it before. |
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| 22:19.35 | abrotman | elkingrey: moment |
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| 22:22.18 | Devastator | damn it, fixing DRI on VIA hardware is a pain |
| 22:22.25 | abrotman | elkingrey: making the backport is pretty simple .. it's much easier than what you're trying to do |
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| 22:23.00 | elkingrey | abrotman: Want to help walk me through it again? |
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| 22:23.14 | abrotman | elkingrey: which part is confusing so far? |
| 22:23.31 | elkingrey | abrotman: Well, we never could get it to work |
| 22:23.37 | abrotman | we who ? |
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| 22:24.01 | elkingrey | I couldn't |
| 22:24.10 | abrotman | elkingrey: which part is confusing? |
| 22:24.33 | elkingrey | Well, I put that line in to my sources and it never produced the results you were looking for. |
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| 22:27.56 | abrotman | elkingrey: that's not descriptive |
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| 22:28.42 | Devastator | abrotman the link in dpkg's factoid is 404 |
| 22:28.55 | abrotman | which link ? |
| 22:29.17 | abrotman | Devastator: that's a source for apt |
| 22:29.20 | abrotman | not for your browser |
| 22:29.25 | Devastator | ah, sorry |
| 22:29.39 | Devastator | is there a link I can browser to check the packages? |
| 22:29.49 | abrotman | Devastator: see the link i gave you above |
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| 22:30.02 | jimcooncat | Doing a standard install and adding the xfce4 package doesn't seem to give me everything the old squeezy xfce .iso did. Do I need to use tasksel? |
| 22:31.53 | Devastator | can I be more dumb? no .deb on that link, I don't mean to piss you off :) |
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| 22:33.17 | abrotman | Devastator: huh? |
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| 22:34.02 | abrotman | Devastator: http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 |
| 22:34.26 | abrotman | Devastator: so wget that, unzip it, look at the file |
| 22:34.33 | Devastator | great! |
| 22:36.20 | Devastator | yep.. package is not available yet.. is it still possible to backport manually? |
| 22:36.30 | Devastator | ssb factoid to be specific |
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| 22:36.59 | abrotman | Devastator: well, you haven't told us which package |
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| 22:37.25 | Devastator | sorry.. openchrome, I'm trying to enable 3D accel |
| 22:38.12 | Devastator | while using audacity it stutters, which can be both my computer being weak or video driver, at least it's the 2 possibilities I thought |
| 22:38.55 | Devastator | this is a Core2Duo T5300 (1.73GHz, 2MB of cache), 1GB of RAM, 120GB of HDD |
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| 22:39.42 | elkingrey | When something says install version 4.6.0 or newer is 4.5 considered newer or later? |
| 22:40.19 | bwat48 | elkingrey, no... |
| 22:40.41 | elkingrey | ? |
| 22:40.59 | abrotman | 4.5 is not newer than 4.6 |
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| 22:41.45 | elkingrey | abrotman: Last night you told me that later meant the newest version, didn't you? |
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| 22:42.57 | abrotman | elkingrey: doubtful, i wasn't online last night |
| 22:43.18 | elkingrey | Hah, okay, earlier this morning. |
| 22:43.37 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 22:43.48 | abrotman | i can check logs if you like |
| 22:44.01 | elkingrey | don't bother. |
| 22:44.06 | bwat48 | if something asks for 4.6 or newer than you need 4.6 or newer, its pretty self-explanatory |
| 22:45.18 | abrotman | elkingrey: doesn't seem like it |
| 22:45.33 | Dark_light | Devastator: glxinfo | grep rend |
| 22:45.33 | Devastator | aaanyway.. is there a factoid for methods to enable DRI? |
| 22:46.48 | Devastator | Dark_light direct rendering: yes |
| 22:47.00 | Devastator | so it means I have 3D, correct? |
| 22:47.09 | Dark_light | yep 3d acceleretion is there |
| 22:47.12 | dioz | so, i have a bunch of usb ethernet adapters (10 of them) |
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| 22:47.17 | dioz | they have the same mac and the same everything |
| 22:47.25 | Dark_light | so it's your cpu most likely |
| 22:47.29 | Dark_light | or the ram |
| 22:48.30 | Devastator | Dark_light I'm only going after video issues because of Xorg.0.log saying DRI failed to initialize |
| 22:48.37 | dioz | udevd[4698]: renamed network interface eth3 to rename1501 |
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| 22:48.53 | Devastator | and gnome3 also complained about something at first login |
| 22:49.30 | Devastator | actually, in some log it says "no hardware 3d support" |
| 22:49.37 | Dark_light | mmmm |
| 22:49.45 | Dark_light | what video card? |
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| 22:50.41 | Devastator | Dark_light VIA CN896/VN896/P4M900 [Chrome 9 HC] [1106:3371] |
| 22:51.13 | Devastator | judd tells driver is viafb, it somehow breaks my X when I try "modprobe viafb" |
| 22:51.18 | Devastator | it's also blacklisted |
| 22:51.47 | Dark_light | I have no idea what video card is that |
| 22:52.02 | Devastator | some via igp |
| 22:52.33 | Devastator | I'm trying to check with openchrome guys if there is something to do |
| 22:52.47 | Devastator | but, as usual, their channel is pratically empty |
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| 22:53.16 | Dark_light | sorry I know nothing about it |
| 22:53.44 | elkingrey | Lightspark says it required gcc 4.6 or newer, but I believe my version is only 4.4.XX Is installing a newer verion from source a real drag? |
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| 22:54.49 | Devastator | Dark_light is there some troubleshooting software I can use to test video capabilities? |
| 22:55.12 | Dark_light | try running glxgears let's see what the frame rate is |
| 22:55.14 | BronzeEagle | Alright, so I bought a new laptop (Toshiba Satellite P875-S7102) and it came preinstalled with windows 8, so I insalled debian wheezy. I've gotten everything setup correctly but now I want to be able to boot back into win8 if needed. So I added http://pastebin.com/1byMGkn9 this to /etc/grub.d/40_custom but when I try to load it from grub it says "error: invalid signature" |
| 22:56.45 | dioz | is there a way to specify persistent-net-rules for interface by usb port? |
| 22:56.58 | dioz | i got a bunch of NIC's with the same MAC and everything |
| 22:58.47 | Devastator | Dark_light does it finish or do i have to close manually? 1044 frames in 5 seconds gives about 208FPS |
| 22:59.14 | Dark_light | seems to me like 3D acceleration is there |
| 22:59.22 | Dark_light | close it manually |
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| 22:59.28 | Devastator | ok |
| 22:59.32 | Dark_light | but I'm no expert with that videocard |
| 22:59.45 | Dark_light | so I don't know if it has other issues |
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| 23:02.53 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 23:03.23 | johnfg | I've got to run gnome classic, as the hardware won't allow full implementation of gnome 3 (running wheezy). |
| 23:03.46 | johnfg | Where do I get to be able to put a program icon on the desktop? |
| 23:04.11 | abrotman | the gnome-tweak-tool has an option, not sure if that affects classic mode als |
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| 23:05.30 | johnfg | abrotman: No, it doesn't do much for classic. I also don't have the icon to close all and show the desktop. |
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| 23:15.05 | chiel | what's the smallest possible package one can install to get a functional x? |
| 23:15.42 | jvelezc | anyone has any idea where to get crypt |
| 23:15.43 | jvelezc | http://hastebin.com/sovegecana.js |
| 23:15.47 | jvelezc | there my error |
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| 23:25.58 | chiel | when my pc starts up, i get the GNU GRUB loader screen, allowing me to choose between normal and recovery mode |
| 23:26.02 | chiel | is there any way to bypass this? |
| 23:26.11 | chiel | i just want it to always boot straight into the normal mode. |
| 23:26.29 | mmnicolas | chiel: you want to reduce the timeout delay ? |
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| 23:26.42 | chiel | err, i guess that would have the same effect, right? |
| 23:27.06 | mmnicolas | see /etc/default/grub |
| 23:28.03 | chiel | thanks, i'll have a look :) |
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| 23:29.37 | elkingrey | Well, I got lightspark installed. I was recommended to install from the git clone, and that did the trick. I still can't stream video though, so that sucks. |
| 23:29.37 | mr_talk | Well, I got lightspark installed. I was recommended to install from the git clone, and that did the trick. I still can't stream video though, so that sucks. |
| 23:29.49 | civillian | wtf |
| 23:29.50 | mr_talk | inb4 ban |
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| 23:30.43 | naptastic | Would someone running Wheezy mind pastebinning their /etc/apt/sources.list for me please? |
| 23:30.43 | mr_talk | #yoloswag4jesus |
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| 23:30.53 | chiel | mns: works a charm! thanks a lot :) |
| 23:30.53 | mr_talk | it's like bad sperm |
| 23:30.54 | naptastic | I broke mine and need a sane one. |
| 23:30.54 | mr_talk | inb4 ban |
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| 23:31.27 | abrotman | !tell naptastic about wheezy sources.list |
| 23:31.29 | naptastic | applauds |
| 23:31.46 | naptastic | :-D Thanks! |
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| 23:35.40 | elkingrey | Can somebody link me to a good pro free software article that explains what's so bad about proprietary flash? |
| 23:36.11 | abrotman | elkingrey: the number of security issues alone should be enough to scare off most .. |
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| 23:38.41 | dioz | anyone know what gns3 is here? |
| 23:38.57 | dioz | i got a bunch of cheap usb ethernet adapters for play with dynamips/gns3 |
| 23:39.05 | dioz | all the adapters are the same (including mac) |
| 23:39.25 | dioz | so if i label them then restart they could be flip flop from each reboot |
| 23:39.51 | civillian | I could suggest macchanger |
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| 23:40.20 | civillian | never used it with gns3 though |
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| 23:41.13 | elkingrey | abrotman: Unfortunately, even after installing lightspark I can neither get streaming online video or get desk.com to function, necessary for my work. |
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| 23:41.44 | elkingrey | I would definitely like to get a detailed list of grievances about adobe flash though, so I know what kind of beating I'm taking. |
| 23:41.59 | elkingrey | It is open source, at least, right? |
| 23:42.17 | bazhang | from Adobe? |
| 23:42.22 | bazhang | hahaha |
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| 23:43.09 | dvs | !pal elkingrey |
| 23:43.10 | dpkg | points at elkingrey and laughs |
| 23:43.32 | elkingrey | =( |
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| 23:44.31 | elkingrey | What's the easiest way to install adobe flash on debian? |
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| 23:45.46 | aboman | elkingrey: add nonfree sources and apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 23:47.01 | elkingrey | abowan: How do I add nonfree sources? |
| 23:48.02 | aboman | add "non-free" to the deb-src line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:48.09 | aboman | dont forget to apt-get update |
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| 23:52.12 | blocky2 | Hi, does anyone know how to change the speed/sensitivity of a thinkpad trackpoint in wheezy / gnome3? |
| 23:52.16 | chiel | i'm looking into this guide http://vincent.bernat.im/en/blog/2012-xbmc-debian-wheezy.html , but i don't seem to have a `systemctl` command. does this come in some package i may be missing? |
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| 23:52.45 | chiel | oh nvm i'm an idiot. |
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| 23:55.01 | chiel | it says "add init=/bin/systemd to the kernel command line", where can i find the kernel command line? |
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| 23:56.05 | elkingrey | If I were to uninstall adobe flash later, would my system return to a pristine state? Or is it permanently F'ed? |
| 23:56.24 | aboman | elkingrey: it would be fine |
| 23:56.39 | aboman | chiel: /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 23:57.47 | chiel | aboman: ah, thank you |
| 23:57.59 | aboman | np |
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| 23:59.43 | elkingrey | Hmmm, okay well I've got flash installed and I can stream online now. So, that's cool. But desk.com is still not functioning correctly for me. Is there something else I could be missing that is required to get my browsing functioning for some third party site? |
