| 00:03.36 | tharkun | Good $(date) I have two cups servers running on the office with redundant clases and all the high availability stuff you can imagine. I have a bunch of clients connecting and printing with them yet I get "lpstat: No destinations added." let alone trying to print |
| 00:04.10 | tharkun | Any idea why I'm not able to connect to the servers? |
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| 00:07.57 | tharkun | Add insult to injury I was able to print last Saturday fine. Really some clue would be fine to start with |
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| 00:09.33 | shredd | so if i have a /var/www/folder and a user "user" and i make chown user /var/www/folder so that the permissions look: drwxr-xr-x 5 user root 4096 may 6 23:49 folder . Should I have any permission problems at the time to upload a file into this folder? |
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| 00:10.58 | jelly-home | tharkun: do you see their printers configured at http://localhost:631 interface? |
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| 00:12.31 | Jonuz | I installed wheezy and when I look video with movie players, its really laggy |
| 00:12.36 | tharkun | jelly-home: nope nothing displays |
| 00:12.37 | Jonuz | Should I install some codec pack? |
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| 00:12.54 | ChibaPet | tw: FWIW, just whipped up a simple script to automate dumping something into passfifo for the remote decrypt, and it works well enough. Similar too but simpler than the example in the README. |
| 00:13.05 | jelly-home | tharkun: and on some other linux client which works? |
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| 00:13.17 | ChibaPet | Similar to*. Evidently I don't speak (or type) gramatically correct English any more. |
| 00:14.18 | jelly-home | tharkun: er, what do you mean by nothing displays, the page doesn't load at all, or there are no printers configured and visible in the Printers section? |
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| 00:15.33 | tharkun | jelly-home: Sorry for the missinformation, no printer is displayed and lpstat -a should give me that list |
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| 00:15.46 | tharkun | and it only displays lpstat: No destinations added. |
| 00:16.23 | jelly-home | tharkun: indeed. In Administration -> Server -> Server settings, is the option "Show printers shared by other systems" enabled? |
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| 00:18.16 | xmx | anyone capable of helping me mount android galaxy s2 on wheezy? I keep returning an unable to mount location error |
| 00:18.41 | tharkun | jelly-home: ys |
| 00:18.45 | tharkun | yes :) |
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| 00:19.48 | tharkun | jelly-home: lpstat -a on any other machine shows the apropiate entries. Printing is posible there |
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| 00:23.20 | tharkun | on /var/log/cups/error_log E [06/May/2013:13:19:45 -0500] Unable to bind broadcast socket - Address already in use. |
| 00:23.34 | tharkun | What on earth can be causing that? |
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| 00:24.57 | Towzzer | check netstat for something listening on the broadcast address for your subnet |
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| 00:26.18 | tharkun | udp6 0 0 :::631 :::* 1728/rpcbind |
| 00:26.29 | tharkun | not exactly broadcast but doesn't sound right |
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| 00:29.32 | jelly-home | tharkun: inspect the output of rpcinfo -p localhost on that machine, see which rpc-based service took it |
| 00:30.29 | tharkun | jelly-home: hmm /etc/init.d/rpcbind stop ; /etc/init.d/cups restart a second before you pasted your comment |
| 00:31.02 | jelly-home | tharkun: you rick the same thing happening at next reboot, then |
| 00:31.11 | jelly-home | risk |
| 00:31.24 | tharkun | jelly-home: wait a sec I'm trying to break stuff now ;P |
| 00:32.03 | tw | ChibaPet: I ended up dumping out set -x ; /scripts/local-top/cryptroot and it told me it couldn't find my source device. |
| 00:32.26 | tharkun | jelly-home: It seem portmapper is the only one beeing used according to rpcinfo -p localhost |
| 00:32.34 | tw | Apparently it doesn't like my UUID syntax or something, because as soon as I switched it to absolute device path, it worked properly. |
| 00:33.11 | jelly-home | tharkun: you might never know, then |
| 00:33.20 | ChibaPet | tw: Ah, that didn't occur to me. I tend not to be big on UUIDs when /dev/mapper addresses are available that are more natural sounding to me. |
| 00:33.26 | tharkun | jelly-home: is there a way to tell rpcbind not to use that port under any circumstances? |
| 00:34.18 | jelly-home | no idea, haven't dealt with rpcbind since it got reintroduced (reimplemented?) |
| 00:34.38 | tw | ChibaPet: /dev/mapper on output, /dev/mdx on input. Sometimes the mdx order gets monkeyed around, which is why I prefer uuid. |
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| 00:35.17 | ChibaPet | tw: Ah, that one hasn't bitten me before, so I don't have that bit of caution built in. |
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| 00:35.35 | tharkun | jelly-home: Thanks, anyway I have 2 options, google later what was wrong or procastinate it until next fubar of cups or some other service |
| 00:36.14 | ChibaPet | tw: In this case, I think the only thing actually specifying a UUID anywhere is hidden for me in /etc/cryptab. |
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| 00:37.28 | tw | I'll have to figure out how /etc/crypttab wants UUIDs formatted. With any luck it won't take much. |
| 00:37.33 | tw | But I'm leaving that for another day. |
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| 00:38.17 | tharkun | jelly-home: Thanks for the info, nice to see you around. Time to get some sleep :) |
| 00:38.37 | jelly-home | nods... off |
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| 00:41.01 | fekmist | I seem to still be having the same problem trying to install any GNU + Linux distro, if anyone could give me advice I'd really appreciate it. Here's a thread I started: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=103807 |
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| 00:41.45 | ChibaPet | fekmist: Mucking with your BIOS presentation of the drives didn't help? |
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| 00:43.35 | ELETRONICO_HW | Hi guys |
| 00:44.12 | ELETRONICO_HW | I have installed Debian Wheezy testing.... i would like using debian wheezy stable.... |
| 00:44.32 | dvs | What's the factoid for the wheezy keys? |
| 00:44.39 | themill | ELETRONICO_HW: as long as you have "wheezy" in your sources.list as recommended (not "testing" or "stable") then there's nothing to do |
| 00:45.05 | fekmist | ChibaPet: No I tried switching from UEFI to Legacy BIOS too and it doesn't seem to work. |
| 00:45.35 | somiaj | fekmist: are you sure you don't have some hardware issue with your ata controler? (I belive that is your harddrives) |
| 00:45.53 | ChibaPet | fekmist: That's not quite what I meant. There was an option in my wife's BIOS for using some legacy shim layer of some sort, or presenting the disks as modern SATA. I don't remember the detail, but it was a huge impact on reliability. |
| 00:46.08 | ChibaPet | somiaj: From yesterday, he was only having the issue with Lignux. |
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| 00:46.28 | fekmist | ChibaPet: After looking up what others are doing with the same mobo as me I notice that I'm missing a few options under boot such as the secure boot options. |
| 00:47.05 | themill | dvs: what factoid for wheezy keys? What is it you're wanting to know? |
| 00:47.07 | fekmist | ChibaPet: I think my drive is set to AHCI or something...? I'm sorry im not too familiar with this. |
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| 00:47.57 | dvs | themill: W: GPG error: http://mozilla.debian.net wheezy-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 85A3D26506C4AE2A |
| 00:48.23 | ChibaPet | fekmist: That was it. There was some option other than AHCI that was selected, and it was sinking me until I changed it. |
| 00:48.40 | ChibaPet | fekmist: So, my only thought is to poke around those options. |
| 00:48.52 | dvs | slaps self |
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| 00:49.26 | somiaj | fekmist: is that the last output you see from a kernel, doing some reasearch I don't think those are terminal errors and should not stop the booting process |
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| 00:50.34 | somiaj | fekmist: https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Libata_error_messages -- explains what the codes mean, but the Status { DRDY } at the end means device is ready and not at fault. Wonder if something else is failing causing you not to boot |
| 00:50.36 | themill | dvs: you perhaps need to look at the mozilla.debian.net web page |
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| 00:50.39 | fekmist | somiaj: actually I might have forgot to mention the other day that after i select intall my computer reboots, hangs on a black screen for 20 seconds and THEN comes up with this error. |
| 00:51.15 | fekmist | somiaj: thank you for that link |
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| 00:51.19 | somiaj | fekmist: I still sense hardware error (or hardware incompadability with the linux kernel) |
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| 00:53.50 | dvs | themill: Yup, already smacked myself over that one. |
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| 00:54.14 | nell | OH MY LINUS |
| 00:54.24 | nell | Enigmail is incompatible with latest version of enigmail |
| 00:54.50 | ChibaPet | nell: That *is* problematic. |
| 00:55.13 | nell | Yeah who do I contact? |
| 00:55.40 | Towzzer | linux torvald |
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| 00:57.22 | fekmist | I'll give this a shot and I'll be back later to share my results. Thanks ChibaPet and somiaj. |
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| 00:59.29 | abrotman | sometimes, i boggle at what people still use for email, and then I remember I use alpine/pine for one of my accounts :) |
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| 01:08.14 | roboman2444 | for some reason a system i am working on does not have killall |
| 01:08.19 | roboman2444 | which package would it be in |
| 01:08.49 | abrotman | dpkg: tell roboman2444 about apt-file |
| 01:09.11 | roboman2444 | dont have that either on there |
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| 01:09.46 | benedikt | is there a handy way to copy file permissions? |
| 01:09.59 | benedikt | say that i have one dir with the correct permissions and another one where the permissions are not correct |
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| 01:10.14 | benedikt | can i somehow mirror the permissions from the first dir over to the second one (and thereby fix it)? |
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| 01:10.48 | cusco | I think rsync does that |
| 01:10.56 | cusco | rsync -avz src dst |
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| 01:11.17 | ChibaPet | that will copy the contents as well as the permissions |
| 01:11.20 | benedikt | nice use of rsync |
| 01:11.26 | benedikt | but ah |
| 01:11.27 | benedikt | right |
| 01:11.34 | benedikt | the dirs arent the exact same |
| 01:11.46 | abrotman | judd: file bin/killall |
| 01:11.53 | judd | Search for bin/killall in wheezy/i386: psmisc: usr/bin/killall |
| 01:11.55 | abrotman | roboman2444: you're doing it wrong |
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| 01:18.56 | roboman2444 | abrotman, well i need it to killall dhclient in a script i have for wifi autoconnects |
| 01:19.09 | roboman2444 | if i dont, after time the processes pile up and run it out of ram... yea sad i know |
| 01:19.30 | roboman2444 | is there a better way to get an IP than killing dhclient and redoing it? |
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| 01:20.38 | abrotman | it shouldn't be running like that to begin with |
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| 01:21.36 | roboman2444 | well i was on spotty wifi, so it had to reconnect a lot |
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| 01:22.27 | Guest39553 | Hi, can someone please help me with cronjobs? |
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| 01:27.30 | roboman2444 | would just doing /etc/init.d/networking restart get an ip if i have wlan0 set up as auto? |
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| 01:28.31 | Supaplex | roboman2444: perhaps you'd rather, nohup sh -c "ifdown wlan0 ; ifup wlan0" |
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| 01:28.46 | Supaplex | !tell Guest39553 about ask |
| 01:28.58 | dvs | roboman2444: ifdown wlan0; ifup wlan0 |
| 01:29.21 | roboman2444 | Supaplex, a little dufferent than that |
| 01:29.46 | Supaplex | dvs: if he relies on ssh, nohup will still keep running that if he disconnects (poor mans' screen) |
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| 01:29.58 | dvs | ah |
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| 01:31.57 | roboman2444 | Supaplex and dvs, this is for a robot actually |
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| 01:32.09 | roboman2444 | i need it to connect automatically to stuff |
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| 01:33.10 | Supaplex | roboman2444: it should work |
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| 01:35.51 | roboman2444 | Supaplex, i need it to scan the in range wifi AP's |
| 01:36.03 | roboman2444 | check each AP it finds against a list of known ones |
| 01:36.13 | roboman2444 | connect to the highest signal one of those |
| 01:36.25 | roboman2444 | and if none are on there, then connect to the highest signal open network |
| 01:36.29 | Supaplex | roboman2444: assuming your network config is setup right, and it would work after a reboot, restarting network services does the same thing. |
| 01:36.42 | roboman2444 | Really, you can do that? |
| 01:37.14 | Supaplex | but, I don't know how to verify anything wireless - one of these days I'll fix my own (it's more complicated than the network widget should manage) |
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| 01:37.31 | roboman2444 | iwconfig shows if its associated or not |
| 01:37.38 | Supaplex | roboman2444: right. my understanding is you've reconfigured this networking but don't want to reboot. |
| 01:37.53 | roboman2444 | yea |
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| 01:38.10 | roboman2444 | tomorrow i will send you my script so far |
| 01:38.17 | roboman2444 | my robot is off for the night |
| 01:38.20 | jcolon | Hello All! |
| 01:38.38 | Supaplex | roboman2444: I'll be idle. ask here again and stick the info in a pastebin |
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| 01:38.54 | jcolon | I need some help. I am trying to install kernel 3.4 or greater. |
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| 01:39.14 | abrotman | jcolon: in which version of linux? |
| 01:39.19 | roboman2444 | ok |
| 01:39.19 | jcolon | I have managed to get it from 2.6 to Linux 3.2.0-4-kirkwood armv5tel |
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| 01:39.29 | jcolon | so my version is Linux 3.2.0-4-kirkwood armv5tel |
| 01:39.47 | jcolon | Now i put my source list in sid so i could get 3,7 |
| 01:39.48 | jcolon | 3.8 |
| 01:40.11 | jcolon | I then try apt-get install linux-image-kirkwood |
| 01:40.18 | abrotman | poor idea |
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| 01:40.41 | Guest39553 | i want to copy files from folder A to folder B. it works when i type: find /home/user/foldera -type f -name "filestartname*" -exec cp -a '{}' /home/user/bilder \; now i want a cronjob. i open terminal crnetab -e and tried: */1 * * * * /home/user/foldera -type f -name "filestartname*" -exec cp -a '{}' /home/user/bilder \; then i typed: sudo /etc/init.d/cron start. it do not work. |
| 01:40.41 | jcolon | then i get linux-image-kirkwood : Depends: linux-image-3.8-1-kirkwood but it is not installable |
| 01:40.51 | TheCoffeMaker | Hi there o/ ... did you tried to compile the fingerprint-gui code on Debian? ... or tried to make a Upek biometric sensor work on a thinkpad |
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| 01:41.25 | Guest39553 | in terminal it works |
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| 01:41.39 | jcolon | any hints? |
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| 01:42.29 | Guest39553 | i also tried crontab -e: +/1 * * * * /do.sh |
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| 01:43.28 | Guest39553 | do.sh: #!/bin/sh |
| 01:43.28 | Guest39553 | find /home/user/foldera -type f -name "CIM*" -exec cp -a '{}' /home/user/bfolderb \; |
| 01:43.46 | Guest39553 | can someone help me? |
| 01:45.03 | Guest39553 | I found this command on a website and it works |
| 01:45.12 | jcolon | k alternatively do you guys know of a good wireless adapter that requires linux kernerl 3.2 or less |
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| 01:45.29 | roboman2444 | jcolon, usb? |
| 01:45.30 | jcolon | which include adhoc functionality |
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| 01:45.35 | Guest39553 | maybe the cron job does not start properly? |
| 01:45.46 | jcolon | yes basically i need the usb to be able to do adhoc connections |
| 01:45.57 | jcolon | and be compatible with kernel 3.2 or less. |
| 01:46.02 | dvs | Guest39553: you do realize that there is no PATH in cron? More specifically, it doesn't know where "cp" is. |
| 01:46.05 | roboman2444 | those are hard to find |
| 01:46.09 | abrotman | jcolon: no need to msg me |
| 01:46.09 | jcolon | The thinkpenguin usb requires 3.4 |
| 01:46.32 | roboman2444 | does ndiswrapper support ad-hoc? |
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| 01:46.36 | abrotman | jcolon: is this an immediate need? |
| 01:46.42 | abrotman | roboman2444: not likely |
| 01:47.07 | jcolon | i would go to the store right now |
| 01:47.12 | jcolon | https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-g-usb-adapter |
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| 01:47.33 | jcolon | this is what i bought and was dissapointed to discover it needs kernel 3.4 to support mode ad-hoc |
| 01:47.36 | grumper | o/ |
| 01:48.08 | grumper | I need to download something from squeeze-backports (don't ask, disaster recovery) - but it is gone from the main mirrors |
| 01:48.19 | grumper | where can I still find it? |
| 01:48.41 | jcolon | this sucks .. |
| 01:48.57 | jcolon | i just go an buy a couiple of usb and hopefully they will work with adhoc |
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| 01:49.23 | roboman2444 | nope |
| 01:49.35 | roboman2444 | jcolon, you can compile in the module if you need to |
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| 01:52.00 | Guest39553 | dvs: how can I run it every minute? |
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| 01:52.41 | roboman2444 | Guest39553, i would suggest an rsync job instead of copying it over every time |
| 01:52.54 | dvs | Guest39553: Have all stars? But i wouldnt do it. |
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| 02:15.55 | Guest39553 | if found this: 0-59 * * * * root echo "cron" >> /tmp/done.txt |
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| 02:17.05 | Guest39553 | only this line is in my crontab -e |
| 02:17.47 | Guest39553 | and it works |
| 02:17.55 | abrotman | sounds like a problem in your script |
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| 02:18.42 | Guest39553 | abrotman: yes I think now |
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| 02:21.16 | abrotman | so pastebin the script |
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| 02:38.35 | Henesy | I installed Debian 7 on an old computer of mine and I'm not sure how to acquire make. |
| 02:38.47 | Henesy | It doesn't seem to be found by aptitude or the add/remove software |
| 02:38.59 | Henesy | and build-essentials does not seem to exist |
| 02:39.04 | dvs | Henesy: apt-get install build-essential |
| 02:39.07 | abrotman | Henesy: sounds like your sources aren't right |
| 02:39.12 | abrotman | !tell Henesy about wheezy sources.list |
| 02:39.50 | Henesy | dvs: unable to locate package |
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| 02:51.53 | pkg_dwerp | I need serious help here... my computer freeze (gui, keyboard mouse) every now and then... been having this problem for months now, it drives me insane... all details here : http://pastebin.com/5ZXeZi44 ... please help, any input welcome |
| 02:52.10 | pkg_dwerp | of course, absolutely nothing in the logs |
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| 02:53.00 | abrotman | tried a different kernel? |
| 02:53.05 | abrotman | you know that wheezy is stable now? |
| 02:53.13 | abrotman | tried not using X? |
| 02:53.17 | abrotman | or not using fglrx? |
| 02:53.29 | pkg_dwerp | I was on 2.6... I tried 3.0 in hope it would fix |
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| 02:54.01 | pkg_dwerp | could try not using fglrx |
| 02:54.12 | pkg_dwerp | of course, my 3 screens would be useless... |
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| 02:55.12 | abrotman | it's just something to try |
| 02:55.26 | pkg_dwerp | oh |
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| 02:55.37 | pkg_dwerp | did not know wheeze was released |
| 02:55.41 | pkg_dwerp | -stable |
| 02:56.31 | pkg_dwerp | will try to run without fglrx |
| 02:56.38 | pkg_dwerp | any other ideas? |
| 02:56.58 | pkg_dwerp | how do I use no X? |
| 02:57.00 | abrotman | upgrading to wheezy .. |
| 02:57.16 | pkg_dwerp | noted too, I'll keep this one as last resort |
| 02:57.26 | pkg_dwerp | I have a bit of a custom setup.. |
| 02:57.42 | abrotman | because it uses fglrx? |
| 02:58.28 | pkg_dwerp | yeah... but sometimes, the machine is fine for 15 days... I don't see myself with no X for 15 days |
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| 02:58.49 | pkg_dwerp | I could remove the driver and use vesa I guess.. |
| 02:59.10 | abrotman | or try the radeon driver |
| 02:59.16 | pkg_dwerp | ah? |
| 02:59.19 | pkg_dwerp | where to? |
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| 02:59.47 | pkg_dwerp | editing xorg.conf |
| 02:59.48 | abrotman | not sure if it would support your card .. you'll have to look at the driver man page |
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| 03:00.01 | pkg_dwerp | what is the name you put in Xorg? |
| 03:00.06 | vacho_ | how the hell do I mount a friggin flash drive?? miss windows 95 |
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| 03:00.13 | abrotman | 'radeon' .. but you hsould really read the man page first |
| 03:00.18 | pkg_dwerp | I will |
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| 03:02.13 | vacho_ | dafuq. |
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| 03:42.21 | pabloGNU | hi to all |
| 03:42.39 | pabloGNU | i have a little problem, i'm trying to configure the eth0 with static ip |
| 03:42.55 | pabloGNU | i change the interfaces file in /etc/network |
| 03:43.13 | tharkun | pabloGNU: Are you using networkmanager? |
| 03:43.21 | pabloGNU | no |
| 03:43.27 | pabloGNU | i have no desktop |
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| 03:44.06 | pabloGNU | tharkun why¿ |
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| 03:44.24 | vacho_ | guys.. |
| 03:44.25 | tharkun | pabloGNU: networkmanager does not require a gui. |
| 03:44.28 | vacho_ | what linux kernel supports ad-hoc? |
| 03:45.31 | tharkun | pabloGNU: paste our interfaces file |
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| 03:47.13 | pabloGNU | http://pastebin.com/9TsV5jCc |
| 03:49.07 | tharkun | pabloGNU: insert before line 4 allow-hotplug eth0 then do /etc/inet.d/network restart |
| 03:49.13 | tharkun | you should be fine then |
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| 03:50.22 | pabloGNU | between iface lo inet loopback and auto eth0? |
| 03:50.46 | tharkun | after auto eth0 |
| 03:51.55 | pabloGNU | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 03:51.58 | tharkun | How can I find out what font an ssh terminal is using? |
| 03:51.58 | pabloGNU | auto eth0 |
| 03:52.52 | tharkun | pabloGNU: Wherever you want, just restart networking and you changes should be peristent |
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| 03:56.26 | pabloGNU | harken doesn't work |
| 03:56.35 | pabloGNU | only works if i restart the machine |
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| 04:11.45 | pkg_dwerp | me again... now running without fglrx... machine crashed still : http://pastebin.com/5ZXeZi44 |
| 04:12.01 | pkg_dwerp | of course memory have been tested... |
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| 04:41.23 | debdeb | what is the official channel for debian on arm? #debian-arm seems not to be the right |
| 04:41.36 | Ricardo__ | until debian squeeze supported? |
| 04:41.41 | themill | debdeb: it's over on oftc |
| 04:41.46 | themill | Ricardo__: another year |
| 04:41.57 | debdeb | themill: oftc? |
| 04:42.02 | themill | dpkg: tell debdeb about oftc |
| 04:42.09 | debdeb | *g* thanks |
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| 04:42.54 | Ricardo__ | heard there would be 1 extra year + 1 year oldstable ie two more years? proceeds? |
| 04:42.54 | Ricardo__ | Novo!Clique na estrela para salvar esta tradução no dicionário de expressões. |
| 04:42.54 | Ricardo__ | Dispensar |
| 04:42.54 | Ricardo__ | Google Tradutor para empresas:Google Translator Toolkit |
| 04:42.54 | Ricardo__ | Tradutor de sites |
| 04:42.54 | Ricardo__ | Global Market Finder |
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| 04:43.54 | Ricardo__ | heard there would be 1 extra year + 1 year oldstable ie two more years? proceeds? |
| 04:44.17 | themill | no. One more year. |
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| 04:44.26 | rjsalts | Ricardo__: oldstable gets 1 year from the release of stable for security support |
| 04:44.51 | rjsalts | Ricardo__: then it goes to archive.debian.org as a museum piece |
| 04:45.50 | Ricardo__ | a feather will be difficult to leave the gnome 2 ... |
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| 04:53.01 | somiaj | Ricardo__: time to swtich to fvwm it sounds like, (: |
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| 05:24.52 | AlexLikeRock | hi guys, i need help to "make work" my vibrator on my joystic |
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| 05:26.10 | mumpitze1 | I suggest you start a google search with the keyword "linux" and the make and model of your joystick |
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| 05:28.45 | AlexLikeRock | i did |
| 05:28.57 | AlexLikeRock | and not fout noting good |
| 05:29.02 | AlexLikeRock | only this ... |
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| 05:29.57 | AlexLikeRock | http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x194.html ---> USB Joystick and Gamepad support ---> "If you are installing as modules, you need to load the hid.o, input.o and joydev.o modules" |
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| 05:30.32 | AlexLikeRock | what thing abou't ? |
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| 05:34.17 | mumpitze1 | what model of joystick do you want to get to work? and get to work for which program? |
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| 05:34.27 | Raphael | Hey! |
| 05:35.08 | AlexLikeRock | perfect choice joystick pc-120391 |
| 05:35.21 | AlexLikeRock | mupen64plus |
| 05:35.36 | smw | When I login to gnome 3, why is my hard drive pegged and it take forever to login? Is there a way to speed up the process? |
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| 05:37.25 | mumpitze1 | AlexLikeRock: install the package "joystick" and fftest should be able to test your force feedback http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/natty/man1/fftest.1.html |
| 05:38.31 | AlexLikeRock | they are all ready instaled, my joystick work all botons and AXIS , but only probleam are the vibrator |
| 05:39.17 | AlexLikeRock | searching "fftest" |
| 05:39.19 | AlexLikeRock | .... |
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| 05:46.53 | AlexLikeRock | mumpitze1, i found fftest iside if joystick , take a look , http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/joystick |
| 05:47.15 | AlexLikeRock | that mean all ready installed |
| 05:47.41 | AlexLikeRock | iobo@debian:~/Documentos$ fftest - tests force-feedback /dev/input/js0 |
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| 05:47.42 | AlexLikeRock | Force feedback test program. |
| 05:47.42 | AlexLikeRock | HOLD FIRMLY YOUR WHEEL OR JOYSTICK TO PREVENT DAMAGES |
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| 05:48.04 | squisher | hey folks, my wheezy installer doesn't seem to know about aes-cbc crypto... does anyone know of a workaround? |
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| 05:54.39 | themill | squisher: are you looking at §6.3.3.6 of the install guide? |
| 05:55.46 | squisher | themill, no, I'm looking at a recipe linked to in bug, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
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| 05:57.05 | themill | squisher: I'd suggest that instructions that haven't been updated for 5½ years might not be current |
| 05:57.07 | squisher | themill, I'm trying to reuse an existing crypto container |
| 05:57.12 | themill | Ahh |
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| 05:57.32 | squisher | but the parameters it seems to use are exactly the same as the defaults in the current guide... |
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| 06:01.35 | themill | squisher: btw this addendum might be useful http://blog.hartwork.org/?p=1757 |
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| 06:04.59 | themill | squisher: the cipher you are looking for is the default compiled into cryptsetup so it would be surprising if it weren't already known |
| 06:05.27 | squisher | themill, yeah, that's what I'm wondering too |
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| 06:05.43 | squisher | is booting back into the installer |
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| 06:08.38 | squisher | themill, what surprises me is that I actually have to run 'anna-install cryptsetup-udeb' like the wiki says |
| 06:09.01 | squisher | the page you linked doesn't mention that step and i would have expected that the installer already loaded it |
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| 06:12.33 | themill | squisher: if you're following that guide, the installer has not yet got to the partitioning steps so it hasn't yet loaded anything to do with partitions or filesystems |
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| 06:14.23 | squisher | true... one more try! ;-) |
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| 06:14.47 | smw | is there any daemon that is easy to install in debian for preloading? Something like ureadahead or e4rat |
| 06:15.56 | mumpitze1 | preloading what exactly? we simply use the kernel cache |
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| 06:16.09 | karlpinc | smw: Sounds like a good way to screw up the kernel's disk buffering. Is there some specific task that benefits from that sort of foolery? |
| 06:16.21 | smw | mumpitze1, karlpinc, preloading on boot |
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| 06:16.37 | smw | there is no kernel cache at boot ;-) |
| 06:17.07 | smw | well... in actuality this is for filling the kernel cache, but you get what I mean :-) |
| 06:17.08 | AlexLikeRock | hi im back |
| 06:17.15 | karlpinc | smw: Throwing SSDs at the problem is my preferred choice. |
| 06:17.17 | mumpitze1 | as soon as the kernel is loaded, there is a cache |
| 06:17.26 | AlexLikeRock | sorry : "* You have been kicked from #debian by debhelper (flood)" |
| 06:17.30 | mumpitze1 | and before the kernel is loaded, there certainly won't be any daemon... |
| 06:17.47 | smw | mumpitze1, read what I said |
| 06:18.01 | smw | mumpitze1, it prereads what will be read during the boot process |
| 06:18.02 | squisher | themill, unfortunately that doesn't change anything... cryptsetup isn't available as a command |
| 06:18.03 | karlpinc | smw: How does it know what to pre-load? |
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| 06:18.07 | mumpitze1 | what's the point of preloading? what exactly do you want to preload? |
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| 06:18.26 | smw | karlpinc, it watches a normal boot |
| 06:18.33 | smw | mumpitze1, make boots happen faster |
| 06:18.38 | somiaj | AlexLikeRock: use paste.debian.net to past info |
| 06:18.49 | smw | mumpitze1, also perhaps make login to gnome 3 quicker after boot |
| 06:19.03 | themill | squisher: hmm. I'm not going to be much further help here -- but they guys over in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net would be in a better position to help |
| 06:19.17 | karlpinc | smw: Anyhow, debtags is your friend, as well as, say, aptitude search. |
| 06:19.25 | squisher | themill, thanks for the help and the pointer, I'll check in there |
| 06:19.30 | smw | mumpitze1, ureadahead is standard in ubuntu. These types of preloaders really speed up the boot process |
| 06:19.30 | AlexLikeRock | somiaj, tank i will |
| 06:19.44 | mumpitze1 | how is it faster when it has to read it anyways? it doesn't matter if your daemon is there or not: it always has to read the same stuff. actually your daemon needs to be loaded too, so it is probably slower. If you want to speed it up, do what windows 8 does: use hibernation and call it fast boot |
| 06:19.51 | AlexLikeRock | so... wath mora can i do for my joystick |
| 06:19.54 | themill | squisher: (they will probably be more active in the 1-5 hour time span than right now) |
| 06:20.03 | karlpinc | smw: If the boot is parallel, then you're waiting on disk at boot, not cpu, so pre-loading is moot. |
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| 06:20.12 | squisher | themill, 1-5h from now? |
| 06:20.12 | mumpitze1 | e.g. it's faster if you read everything from a big contigouus file instead of many small files all over |
| 06:20.54 | smw | mumpitze1, karlpinc, that is actually what e4rat does. It puts everything in a big contiguous section of disk |
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| 06:21.26 | smw | I think ureadahead does that too |
| 06:21.32 | karlpinc | smw: SSDs are cheap, and much faster. |
| 06:21.41 | smw | mumpitze1, karlpinc, the point is these things work. |
| 06:21.46 | debdeb | the new "multiarch" in wheezy... sounds nice... normally it is used for running x86-32bit-binarys on x86-64bit-system, right? how about arm-binarys? and arm-binarys with GUI-features? and installing android-.apks as the next step? |
| 06:21.48 | AlexLikeRock | but the SSD sock's |
| 06:21.56 | smw | karlpinc, but I can't afford an SSD |
| 06:22.03 | truexfan81 | they also make hybrid drives now too |
| 06:22.15 | mumpitze1 | debdeb: that'S what bochs and other ISA emulators are for |
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| 06:22.19 | themill | squisher: the main d-i people are in Europe or Nth America. The Europeans are heading off to work atm. |
| 06:22.31 | CybDev | he is talking about cache warming |
| 06:22.34 | mumpitze1 | debdeb: your x64 or x86 cpu simply doesn't understand any ARM code, so you can't do it |
| 06:22.35 | CybDev | its not uncommon |
| 06:22.44 | nevyn | is sad that d-i still doesn't boot on my system. |
| 06:22.51 | debdeb | mumpitze1: native would be nice... there is a x86-windows-program, which do it |
| 06:22.51 | CybDev | we warm our xapian indexes in much the same way he is describing |
| 06:23.06 | squisher | themill, that helps, I'm familiar with the tzs (european living in the US) |
| 06:23.08 | mumpitze1 | debdeb: those are called emulators. e.g. bochs |
| 06:23.23 | mumpitze1 | nothing to do at all with multiarch |
| 06:23.23 | debdeb | i mean: native displayed |
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| 06:23.36 | smw | mumpitze1, I have some idea of how it works, but I certainly know it works. It stops the seeking that takes up a great deal of the boot process and also loads the tons of stuff gnome3 uses during login |
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| 06:24.17 | themill | debdeb: multiarch makes foreign arch chroots or even foreign arch binaries really easy to deal with too (qemu-system-* ftw) |
| 06:24.19 | debdeb | like for example: android-firefox running in GUI without running it in a bochs/qemu-window |
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| 06:25.08 | squisher | themill, ha, figured it out... when I actually go as far as _creating_ a crypto container in the installer (which is definitely _not_ what I want to do) it loads the necessary files and I can actually run cryptsetup luksOpen |
| 06:25.37 | mumpitze1 | debdeb: you simply need a x86 compiled dalvik unless you use the NDK |
| 06:25.43 | themill | squisher: ah. fun. There's probably an extra installer component that gets loaded then. Did you catch its name? You could add that info to the wiki. |
| 06:26.00 | debdeb | mumpitze1: really? sounds easy |
| 06:26.53 | mumpitze1 | debdeb: all android APKs are java bytecode. Linux can run bytecode for a decade now. only if the android program uses NDK, then it gets hairy since that would be ARM machine code |
| 06:27.04 | squisher | themill, no there's no chance it scrolls by way too quickly... unless you know of a way to list loaded installer components |
| 06:27.41 | themill | squisher: the installer normally keeps reasonable logs on other VTs or in /var/log |
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| 06:28.21 | debdeb | mumpitze1: on a first approach i dont find a howto to do that. but i think other people have the same wish... i mean running android-apks on linux |
| 06:28.57 | debdeb | but maybe better in a chroot |
| 06:29.20 | karlpinc | debdeb: Maybe better in a vm. |
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| 06:29.38 | debdeb | vm is... not quick ,-) |
| 06:29.55 | debdeb | but right... for some apps |
| 06:30.00 | karlpinc | debdeb: Depends on the vm. E.g. lxc |
| 06:30.23 | debdeb | ;-) i have read about lxc a few hours ago |
| 06:30.36 | debdeb | thats not, what i would call vm |
| 06:30.40 | debdeb | more chroot |
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| 06:31.18 | themill | debdeb: if you're trying to run things for an incompatible processor (so arm on i386, rather than i386 on amd64) then you're always going to have an emulation overhead |
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| 06:31.47 | debdeb | btw... is it possible to "vm" such goodies like a gps-sensor? |
| 06:32.05 | squisher | themill, yeah I thought I remembered that too, but I can't find any VT with logs. There is /var/log/partman but without less that's pretty hard to inspect... |
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| 06:32.21 | mumpitze1 | no. various VMs can access usb ports directly. |
| 06:32.27 | karlpinc | squisher: more is there |
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| 06:33.02 | squisher | karlpinc, more on a 500k files? sorry, won't do |
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| 06:33.19 | hellyeah | hey |
| 06:33.21 | mumpitze1 | squisher: then grep? |
| 06:33.22 | hellyeah | anyone here |
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| 06:33.37 | debdeb | but back to dalvik on x86... has anyone here tried it? |
| 06:33.42 | karlpinc | squisher: Oh. Well then, better use tail | head ;-) |
| 06:34.18 | mumpitze1 | debdeb: that's not a debian related problem is it? I suggest you start at http://www.android-x86.org/ instead |
| 06:34.33 | debdeb | ok |
| 06:34.52 | squisher | ok, grep udeb syslog helps... |
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| 06:35.09 | squisher | themill, unfortunately that wiki page is immutable... |
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| 06:35.22 | hellyeah | anyone use ralink wireless usb adapter? |
| 06:35.29 | themill | squisher: create a login on the wiki |
| 06:35.37 | debdeb | i have allready tried that android-x86... but it was on android 1.6-time... it was ugly ;-) |
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| 06:36.10 | mumpitze1 | !tell hellyeah about ralink |
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| 06:38.08 | hellyeah | mumpitze1: i must tell you i installed firmware-ralink there was no result |
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| 06:39.47 | mumpitze1 | hellyeah: I must tell you you need to state your problems better or no one can help you |
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| 06:40.35 | hellyeah | okey i |
| 06:40.38 | hellyeah | i have ral |
| 06:40.40 | hellyeah | ops |
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| 06:42.56 | newbie | i have ralink 11n wireless adapter when i plug into usb port this strength the wireless power. But in linux i couldnt use ralink 11n wireless adapter. When i pluginto usb port it is not working |
| 06:43.54 | mumpitze1 | Guest33087:start with information like which ralink chip it is, and e.g. if iwlist works |
| 06:44.42 | tuv | is apt-get safer for release upgrades than aptitude? |
| 06:45.24 | jcolon | any tutorials to install linux-image-kirkwood metapackage (SID) |
| 06:45.25 | mumpitze1 | tuv: there have been either |
| 06:45.27 | themill | tuv: yes |
| 06:45.29 | smw | tuv, nah, should be the same |
| 06:45.31 | jelly-home | tuv: if that's what the release notes say, then yes |
| 06:45.41 | smw | themill, really? |
| 06:45.44 | jelly-home | tuv: you HAVE read them right! |
| 06:45.45 | themill | makes smw read the release notes |
| 06:46.42 | mumpitze1 | jcolon: you need a tutorial for apt-get install ? |
| 06:46.45 | jelly-home | smw: try not to feed people unconfirmed information, best to keep dealing with what you have extensive experience with |
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| 06:47.05 | smw | jelly-home, sorry |
| 06:47.10 | jcolon | apt-get install doesnt work for sheevaplug |
| 06:47.33 | themill | jcolon: http://www.cyrius.com/journal/debian/wheezy-upgrade.tbm |
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| 06:47.58 | tuv | hehe.. google completes "wheezy release" with "date" |
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| 06:48.12 | somiaj | jcolon: there is no package in debian by that name, /msg dpkg search (sometimes you have to search for the right package you need) |
| 06:48.19 | jcolon | Linux 3.2.0-4-kirkwood armv5tel |
| 06:48.23 | jcolon | this is what i have right now |
| 06:48.27 | mumpitze1 | somiaj: there is, there is none such in i386, but in armel |
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| 06:48.39 | Guest33087 | xanyway i am not in the linux part right now |
| 06:48.41 | mumpitze1 | somiaj: judd just doesn't look in armel by default |
| 06:48.55 | somiaj | mumpitze1: ahh duh, I was just beeing sily and looking on my amd64 machine, (: |
| 06:48.57 | mumpitze1 | Guest33087: that doesn't prevent you from finding out what chip it is |
| 06:49.10 | laite | hi, how can I find out what files package provides by using aptitude? |
| 06:49.20 | mumpitze1 | somiaj: there is a reason I like pdo above any other package search :P |
| 06:49.40 | anddam | I'm having an error with a cgi but I can successfully run it as a user, so I switched to www-data with "sudo su www-data" |
| 06:49.43 | somiaj | mumpitze1: yea just tried there, still get 0 matches |
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| 06:49.47 | mumpitze1 | laite: dpkg -L <.deb> not aptitude. tho it might be able to do it too |
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| 06:50.02 | mumpitze1 | somiaj: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kirkwood&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
| 06:50.09 | anddam | I had the prompt for a brief instant then the su process went background, now if I fg it I get |
| 06:50.11 | anddam | Send job 1, “sudo su www-data” to foreground |
| 06:50.14 | anddam | Job 1, “sudo su www-data” has stopped |
| 06:50.19 | somiaj | laite: look at apt-file |
| 06:50.29 | anddam | and it's in background again, what could it be? |
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| 06:50.33 | somiaj | laite: (for looking for files and lists in packages availaibe to you via apt but not on your system) |
| 06:50.44 | laite | mumpitze1: thanks, I'm trying to learn to use aptitude and this seemed like something it should be able to do, even though I couldn't find it in manual (didn't read it all, so asked here) |
| 06:50.49 | themill | ,i linux-image-kirkwood --arch armel |
| 06:50.50 | judd | Package linux-image-kirkwood (kernel, optional) in wheezy/armel: Linux for Marvell Kirkwood (meta-package). Version: 3.2+46; Size: 5.5k; Installed: 37k |
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| 06:51.12 | laite | somiaj: ok, thanks |
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| 06:51.44 | somiaj | mumpitze1: again I was looking for sheevaplug, he said apt-get doesn't install it and my response was there was no such package. (: |
| 06:52.14 | somiaj | laite: the dpkg -L packagename is useful for things already installed though |
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| 06:52.36 | anddam | I mean what can keep pushing background a process whenever it gets in foreground? |
| 06:52.55 | anddam | exit |
| 06:53.16 | jcolon | yeah but i already installed debian 7.0 wheezy but the stupid thing came with kernel 3.2 |
| 06:53.30 | themill | jcolon: and? |
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| 06:53.46 | jcolon | i need kernel 3.4 or better to support wireless ad hoc |
| 06:53.50 | debdeb | jcolon: its stable |
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| 06:54.23 | somiaj | jcolon: the sid kernel should work, but I wouldn't put sid sources on you system to install it. I'd assume newer kernels will be provided via wheezy-backports soon though. |
| 06:54.35 | tuv | "The recommended way to upgrade from previous Debian releases is to use the package management tool apt-get. In previous releases, aptitude was recommended for this purpose, but recent versions of apt-get provide equivalent functionality and also have shown to more consistently give the desired upgrade results." <-- this all i found about apt-get vs aptitude in the release note. did i miss other differences? |
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| 06:54.37 | themill | jcolon: there's a 3.8 kernel currently in unstable that *should* work fine for you but waiting for it to hit backports would bebetter |
| 06:54.44 | themill | what somiaj said. |
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| 06:54.57 | debdeb | right. backports |
| 06:55.15 | apm1 | themill, any estimates as to when wheezy backports will have 3.8 ? |
| 06:55.30 | jcolon | i put my /etc/apt/source-list to sid and did apt-get install apt-get dist-upgrade and it dint get me to kernel 3.8 as advertised here http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kernel/linux-image-kirkwood |
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| 06:55.58 | somiaj | jcolon: that is a bad choice, you do not want to upgrade to sid to just get a newer kernel. |
| 06:55.59 | jcolon | instead it says this |
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| 06:56.58 | jcolon | i just desparatly need the kernel |
| 06:57.37 | themill | apm1: the kernel maintainers are normally pretty good at pushing things to backports as soon as they are ready |
| 06:57.38 | debdeb | then just download the sid-kernel as .deb and install it |
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| 06:57.50 | themill | The sid kernel is not available yet for armel |
| 06:57.53 | jelly-home | apm1: there's no real reason to pick 3.8; it's not a longterm one and 3.9 is out already |
| 06:58.02 | jcolon | i am literally willing to make every aspect of the sheevaplug not to work as loing as adhoc wireless works |
| 06:58.02 | apm1 | i know |
| 06:58.03 | jcolon | lol |
| 06:58.16 | debdeb | oh... armel |
| 06:58.25 | jcolon | can u tell this is a school project! |
| 06:58.44 | somiaj | jcolon: well since you added sid sources and did a dist-upgrade, you are now running sid, welcome to an unstable system. (: |
| 06:58.56 | jelly-home | squeeze-backports took like months to start working, afair |
| 06:58.58 | jcolon | i am fine with unstable |
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| 06:59.44 | debdeb | and if there is no ready package... you can still build your own kernel |
| 06:59.46 | apm1 | jelly-home, there is always liqurix if one were to itch for a new kernel |
| 06:59.47 | jcolon | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 06:59.48 | jcolon | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:59.50 | themill | the kernel is still compiling on armel... it's been going for 23 h so far and normally takes about 2h to build. |
| 06:59.58 | jcolon | apt-get install linux-image-kirkwood |
| 07:00.00 | themill | err... 2d to build |
| 07:00.03 | debdeb | apm1: for arm? |
| 07:00.05 | jcolon | gets me the message above |
| 07:00.10 | themill | jcolon: as I've said, the package doesn't exist. |
| 07:00.11 | apm1 | debdeb, no x64 |
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| 07:00.28 | debdeb | apm1: he wants arm |
| 07:00.35 | apm1 | but i want x64 |
| 07:00.37 | jcolon | ahh jeesh |
| 07:00.46 | apm1 | and i was refering to my query |
| 07:00.52 | jcolon | so what do i do compile it myself? |
| 07:01.00 | jelly-home | themill: twisty makefile of builds, all different? |
| 07:01.07 | themill | jelly-home: yeah |
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| 07:01.11 | themill | jelly-home: also armel. |
| 07:01.14 | CruX| | hello I am on debian 7.0. I would like to cross compile app for raspberry pi -> armhf architecture is added. When I'm going to install gcc-armhf, aptitude forces me to remove gcc for x86-64. How can be this fixed ? |
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| 07:01.33 | themill | apm1: given the kernel currently fails to build from source on 3 architectures, I imagine it won't be going into backports for a while. |
| 07:01.36 | apm1 | damn you kida with your 25$ arm boards |
| 07:01.52 | Feigrim | Where would be the best way to request a package for Debian? As in there is something I wish was available as a package for Debian |
| 07:01.56 | jcolon | i hate arm |
| 07:02.09 | jcolon | thanks now i am going to get a B on this class. |
| 07:02.09 | Feigrim | request might be a strong word to use |
| 07:02.12 | apm1 | themill, well i heard so too |
| 07:02.14 | debdeb | doesnt suse have such an build-service online? crossbuilding for arm? |
| 07:02.28 | themill | jcolon: don't leave things to the last minute then. |
| 07:02.38 | jcolon | i been working on this for 4 months |
| 07:02.39 | apm1 | suse tudio or something |
| 07:02.51 | mumpitze1 | jcolon: you can get a http://snapshot.debian.org/package/linux-latest/47/#linux-image-kirkwood_3.8:2b:47 |
| 07:02.57 | jcolon | this was only1 of the task |
| 07:03.04 | themill | jcolon: and yet you didn't work out you needed a newer kernel until today? |
| 07:03.19 | apm1 | jcolon, have you heard of linux libre |
| 07:03.29 | jcolon | i dint know that my wireless usb would need kernel 3.4 or more to be on adhoc mode |
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| 07:03.40 | apm1 | there is a guy i know who maintains builds for linux libre latests |
| 07:03.47 | themill | apm1: good luck in it even booting a sheevaplug. |
| 07:03.53 | debdeb | does ccdist work with crossbuilding? |
| 07:04.06 | jcolon | i already have debian 7 installed with kernel 3.2 |
| 07:04.13 | jcolon | sthemill got that working |
| 07:04.18 | themill | jcolon: not any more you don't. |
| 07:04.30 | jelly-home | apm1: driver situation on arm wrt freedom is way worse than x86 |
| 07:04.33 | jcolon | i got a uimage a initrd |
| 07:04.52 | apm1 | jelly-home, i can't help him then |
| 07:04.54 | jcolon | so i can flash back to before sid |
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| 07:05.55 | jcolon | should i do fakeroot on this deb file mumpitzel? |
| 07:06.52 | jcolon | linux libre it sounds like something i did an apt-get for |
| 07:07.36 | themill | jcolon: no; ignore the linux libre suggestion. It won't help you here. |
| 07:07.39 | mumpitze1 | for this .deb file you will nee new initramfs-tools too probably. unless you run sid |
| 07:07.54 | mumpitze1 | otherwise, just install it like any other kernel you install |
| 07:08.07 | jcolon | cool will give it a try |
| 07:08.15 | themill | jcolon: try out your kernel package from snapshots by all means, but "/msg dpkg experimental" to understand where that package came from |
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| 07:17.00 | jcolon | can i follow this one to install the kernel mumpitzel mentioned above : |
| 07:17.01 | jcolon | http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_p2 |
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| 07:17.20 | jcolon | this kernel: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/linux-latest/47/#linux-image-kirkwood_3.8:2b:47 |
| 07:17.28 | laite | is there some way to get "debian reference" as printable medium (pdf?) instead of multipage-html (http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/) |
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| 07:18.44 | themill | laite: there's a plain text version |
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| 07:19.07 | laite | themill: I just noticed, it's not as pretty though ;P |
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| 07:19.40 | themill | laite: I'd probably recommend the debian-handbook over that though. |
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| 07:19.56 | jcolon | is that bad? |
| 07:20.04 | jcolon | those instructions? |
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| 07:21.38 | laite | themill: Debian Administrator's Handbook? It seems to concentrate on 6.0, would that still be usable with wheezy? |
| 07:21.54 | themill | laite: not that much has changed |
| 07:22.13 | laite | ok, I think I start with that one - thanks |
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| 07:22.28 | jcolon | i guess what i am asking should i do dpkg -i linux-image-kirkwood_3.8+47_armel.deb |
| 07:22.43 | laite | (I'm not a complete newbie, but would be nice to dig in a bit deeper) |
| 07:22.58 | jcolon | as the tutorial suggested for armel.deb |
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| 07:23.57 | jcolon | Unpacking replacement linux-image-kirkwood ... |
| 07:23.58 | jcolon | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of linux-image-kirkwood: |
| 07:23.58 | jcolon | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:23.58 | jcolon | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:23.58 | jcolon | dpkg: error processing linux-image-kirkwood (--install): |
| 07:23.58 | dpkg | jcolon: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>. |
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| 07:24.49 | jcolon | inux-image-kirkwood depends on linux-image-3.8-1-kirkwood; however: |
| 07:24.50 | jcolon | <jcolon> Package linux-image-3.8-1-kirkwood is not installed. |
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| 07:25.03 | jcolon | when i ran dpkg |
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| 07:25.27 | TedLePoireau | Hello all |
| 07:25.32 | jcolon | Hi |
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| 07:25.56 | jcolon | How would I fix depency problem inux-image-kirkwood depends on linux-image-3.8-1-kirkwood; however: Package linux-image-3.8-1-kirkwood is not installed. |
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| 07:26.14 | mumpitze1 | by downloading linux-image-3.8-1-kirkwood and installing it |
| 07:26.40 | jcolon | so i cant upgrade from linux-image 3.2 to 3.8 then |
| 07:26.54 | jelly-home | jcolon, your answer was given 25 minutes ago: <themill> the kernel is still compiling on armel... it's been going for 23 h so far and normally takes about 2h to build. |
| 07:27.26 | themill | jcolon: you could get the kernel package from snapshots.debian.org if you wanted |
| 07:27.39 | TedLePoireau | I'm trying to jail many transmission-daemon with chroot. as I need many non-root user to have their own daemon. To do so I plan making a chmod +s /sbin/chroot => does it meannon-root user will be able to jail-espace if they want to? |
| 07:27.45 | jcolon | so how do i know when the compilation is done? |
| 07:27.57 | jcolon | someone uploads the packages? |
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| 07:28.04 | TedLePoireau | jail-escape* |
| 07:28.05 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
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| 07:28.11 | anddam | does mailsync handle duplicates when copying the same account multiple times? |
| 07:28.18 | cousin_luigi | What's the simplest serial terminal emulator to use from console? |
| 07:28.21 | cosimo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:28.46 | themill | jcolon: yes. or you could go to snapshots.debian.org |
| 07:28.48 | jcolon | jelly-home lets suppose that the kernel finished compiling and that the 2 hours to build passed. what would i need to do |
| 07:28.48 | themill | !homework |
| 07:28.49 | dpkg | somebody said homework was something you should do yourself. |
| 07:29.12 | TedLePoireau | who ? me ? |
| 07:29.21 | truexfan81 | dpkg: do my homework! |
| 07:29.22 | dpkg | eagerly does my homework! |
| 07:29.23 | themill | TedLePoireau: no |
| 07:29.23 | truexfan81 | :P |
| 07:29.32 | jcolon | not asking for someone to do the hw rather to give me info about things that are unknown to me/ |
| 07:29.42 | mumpitze1 | cosimo_: not sure about simple, but why's minicom not an option? |
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| 07:29.51 | themill | TedLePoireau: schroot might be easier for that |
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| 07:30.05 | mumpitze1 | cousin_luigi: ^^ |
| 07:30.26 | jelly-home | cousin_luigi: screen? cu (I've never tried cu)? minicom is somewhat complex |
| 07:31.02 | Terminus | cu seems simple enough. having used minicom extensively, i don't really think it's complex though. |
| 07:31.16 | themill | jcolon: well you've been given the information about getting the kernel from snapshot.debian.org several times now... |
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| 07:33.00 | jcolon | what i dont get is how to utilize snapshot.debian.org to get rid of the depency error. |
| 07:33.24 | CruX| | in debian kernel is compiled with gcc-6 ? |
| 07:33.24 | themill | jcolon: how do you imagine you could use it? |
| 07:33.34 | CruX| | other packages with gcc-7 ? |
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| 07:33.52 | rjsalts | I regret making my /boot partition so small |
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| 07:34.35 | cousin_luigi | jelly-home: trying cu, thanks |
| 07:34.46 | truexfan81 | oh yeah the gcc-6 comment reminded me of something |
| 07:35.04 | themill | gives CruX| some extra "4."s |
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| 07:35.12 | jcolon | Well first installing anything in the sheevaplug from usb or sd card is very hard. So i am trying to figure out how to do the install via the operating system. When I see a snapshot, i can only think i have to install it from usb or sd card |
| 07:35.16 | truexfan81 | when i installed the nvidia beta driver on wheezy the installer complained about the system not having gcc7 |
| 07:35.33 | themill | jcolon: did you look at what is on snapshot.debian.org? |
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| 07:36.10 | zck | hi there |
| 07:37.20 | jcolon | I did but i am uncertain of how to utilize these snapshots to solve my problem. |
| 07:37.27 | cousin_luigi | Also I have getty running on the same host. If I kill the process it keeps respawning: can I disable it without rebooting? |
| 07:37.44 | themill | jcolon: what is it that you need to resolve your dependency problem? |
| 07:37.52 | zck | please, I need to launch a script everytime someone uses apt/dpkg to install a package on the system, any ideas? |
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| 07:38.18 | jcolon | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:38.27 | themill | zck: apt has a nice hook system. Look at apt-listchanges, apt-listbugs or etckeeper for examples |
| 07:38.29 | jcolon | are u saying there is snapshot for linux-image-3.8-1-kirkwood |
| 07:38.42 | debdeb | zck: i remember one can put something like hooks in /etc/apt/ |
| 07:39.10 | themill | jcolon: 3.8-trunk not 3.8-1. You'll need to get both packages from snapshot.d.o rather than one from sid and the other from snapshot. |
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| 07:39.31 | somiaj | zck: what is this script for (just figured I'd double check there aren't tools for what you want to do with said script) |
| 07:39.54 | jcolon | so how to I "get" them from snapshot.d.o |
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| 07:40.04 | jcolon | wget ? |
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| 07:40.17 | themill | whatever http client you want |
| 07:41.24 | zck | somiaj: I have several systems which I want to know if has the same packages; I want to check for every install if the package is already in the other systems, and if not, warn the user about it |
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| 07:41.42 | jcolon | so can i add this url to sourcepackages? |
| 07:42.49 | debdeb | zck: this one seems, like it does things _after_ an successfull invoke: /etc/apt/apt/conf.d/20dbus |
| 07:43.29 | themill | jcolon: no, you browse to the package you need and download it |
| 07:43.35 | debdeb | APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success { "[ ! -f /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket ] || /usr/bin/dbus-send --system --dest=org.debian.apt --type=signal /org/debian/apt org.debian.apt.CacheChanged || true"; }; |
| 07:43.45 | jcolon | is hard to find anything in this website |
| 07:43.56 | themill | not really. |
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| 07:44.56 | zck | debdeb: I think that's just what I'm looking for |
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| 07:45.04 | debdeb | err. not after... post |
| 07:45.39 | debdeb | zck: that may be a way... but you have to figure it out |
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| 07:46.39 | jeetpei | Hi all |
| 07:47.37 | jeetpei | can anyone please tell me how can i check system.journal file under /var/log/journal |
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| 07:50.24 | zck | themill: etckeeper is not what I'm looking for for this, but is very useful, thanks for the info |
| 07:52.07 | themill | zck: etckeeper is gold. I wish I could install it prior to the rest of the packages on the system. |
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| 07:52.58 | megalomix | hello guys |
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| 07:53.12 | megalomix | how can i remove all the packages of the system? (without touching the default packages) |
| 07:53.17 | megalomix | is this possible?= |
| 07:53.44 | themill | dpkg: tell megalomix about uninstall everything |
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| 07:54.28 | loaden | hi, guys! I'm a `Wheezy + GNOME3 + Lightdm + ATI-fglrx-driver` user, and using lightdm login in GNOME3 with tty7. When I want login in other tty, e.g. tty1, tty2..., I can't see anything after press `Ctrl+Alt+F1` or `Ctrl+Alt+F2`, the screen will go black (darkness), but every thing seems just works. e.g. I can still login in tty1 and `startx` into X again with darkness screen. I can press `Ctrl+Alt+F7` return GNOME3 too. It seems only the screen can't see anyt |
| 07:54.47 | megalomix | themill: thank you sooooo much |
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| 07:55.57 | debdeb | is there something like /etc/init.d/-skripts for pm-suspend/resume? |
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| 07:56.21 | debdeb | not just shutdown/boot |
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| 07:56.44 | Terminus | loaden: the times that's happened to me, it's because of the video driver. something to do with kernel mode setting IIRC. |
| 07:57.24 | themill | debdeb: /etc/pm/sleep.d, /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d (see pm-suspend(8)) |
| 07:57.37 | debdeb | ok, more simple: where can i trigger skripts before the system goes into suspend and after resume? |
| 07:57.54 | debdeb | themill: thx. i will look |
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| 07:58.04 | loaden | Terminus: Do you know how to solved the problem? |
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| 07:58.26 | Terminus | dpkg: give loaden kms |
| 07:58.26 | dpkg | gives loaden kms |
| 07:58.31 | Terminus | oh derp. |
| 07:58.32 | loaden | Terminus: It's only happen with my work PC. in home, my laptop works fine. |
| 07:58.34 | megalomix | themill: Resolve these dependencies by hand? [N/+/-/_/:/?] |
| 07:58.35 | megalomix | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.49 | Terminus | dpkg: tell loaden about kms |
| 07:58.50 | megalomix | if i put N it abort |
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| 07:59.19 | debdeb | themill: great... seems the right place |
| 07:59.27 | loaden | Terminus: thx, I will see how to fix. |
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| 08:00.11 | themill | megalomix: you're asking apt to do quite a lot there... you're probably going to have to help it along. |
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| 08:01.01 | megalomix | themill: i can do it manually there are a lot of packages |
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| 08:03.07 | themill | megalomix: you may have more success by defining what you want to get rid of rather than what you want to keep: aptitude purge ~poptional ~pextra |
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| 08:04.43 | megalomix | ok |
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| 08:05.56 | themill | megalomix: just remember that your kernel and bootloader are priority:optional so you won't have them after running that command.... |
| 08:06.16 | megalomix | ok perfect |
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| 08:12.35 | zck | debdeb: DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs works like a charm for me, thank you |
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| 08:13.37 | h00ked | morning |
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| 08:14.55 | debdeb | zck: nice2know |
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| 08:19.30 | dasFelix | hi all |
| 08:20.37 | megalomix | guys i would like to load a file content into memory |
| 08:20.42 | megalomix | to write it with ctrl-v |
| 08:20.44 | megalomix | is it possible |
| 08:20.57 | megalomix | without opening......ctrl-c..... adn then ctrl-v |
| 08:20.58 | megalomix | ? |
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| 08:21.58 | lolbat | megalomix: double click, then right click and then select copy |
| 08:22.12 | megalomix | lolbat: i do not want to select |
| 08:22.22 | megalomix | i would like to load it into memory specifing the file name |
| 08:22.23 | lolbat | megalomix: ctrl + a |
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| 08:22.29 | megalomix | is there a command for it? |
| 08:22.37 | megalomix | i'm on shell.... the file is very long |
| 08:22.39 | lolbat | megalomix: cp whatever /dev/shm and it will be on your ramdisk |
| 08:23.01 | megalomix | relly? i try |
| 08:23.02 | antihero | Hello, I'm entertaining the idea of using Debian as my server OS, because I've always enjoyed it. However, there are a couple of questions: I really like Arch Linux's ABS system which allows you to quickly get the sources of packages and rebuild them (e.g. if you want to upgrade the version of something to one not available in the repos, or add a patchset, for instance nginx 1.4 with spdy/passenger support) - I think it has been compared t |
| 08:23.14 | antihero | *? |
| 08:23.43 | megalomix | lolbat: i would like to use it doing ctrl-v |
| 08:23.45 | megalomix | how can i do it? |
| 08:23.46 | mniip | antihero, you can get source of packages with `apt-get source` |
| 08:23.53 | megalomix | i mean...load it....and then ctrl-v |
| 08:23.55 | jelly-home | antihero: I think it has been compared t[cut off] |
| 08:23.56 | lolbat | megalomix: you can't and why would you? |
| 08:24.02 | antihero | mniip: Is it simple to then rebuild? |
| 08:24.20 | mniip | well, depends on the package and its developers :P |
| 08:24.34 | antihero | ahah! http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingAPackage |
| 08:24.54 | mniip | antihero, but most often it's as simple as make and make install |
| 08:25.07 | antihero | yeah basically I'm likely happy with the base packages for stability, but there are certain few things that I need to be more up to date. |
| 08:25.12 | antihero | is that a common situation? |
| 08:25.22 | mniip | oh |
| 08:25.33 | antihero | mniip: make install pops a .deb out at the end? |
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| 08:25.47 | mniip | no, it installs the files already |
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| 08:26.39 | jelly-home | antihero: mniip might be out if his depth here, I'm afraid. There are binary backports for some software; for others, if you merely need to add a patch, it's not hard to do "/msg dpkg package rebuild" |
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| 08:27.09 | Terminus | mniip: doing ./configure && make && make install lots of times gets a system messy real fast. |
| 08:27.15 | antihero | jelly-home: rebuilding over IIRC? |
| 08:27.23 | mniip | Terminus, well yes |
| 08:27.24 | antihero | It seems via this tutorial that you do a make install in a fakeroot |
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| 08:27.29 | jelly-home | antihero: if the version in testing or unstable is good enough for you, you can try to /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 08:27.30 | antihero | which would make more sense |
| 08:27.44 | antihero | jelly-home: Aye, I don't think nginx 1.4 is in anywhere :( |
| 08:27.59 | antihero | but nginx is ridiculously easy to build :D |
| 08:28.17 | Terminus | antihero: if you can't find it anywhere, i would go with the roll your own package route. =) |
| 08:28.33 | jelly-home | antihero: that really depends on the feature set you want out of it, and wther you expect to have the goodies debian packages provides or not |
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| 08:29.22 | buscon | hi, i'm running a debian squeeze stable and I'd like to upgrade to the new stable wheezy: are there any issues about doing a dist-upgrade that I should know? |
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| 08:29.42 | antihero | jelly-home: Goodies? |
| 08:29.52 | antihero | I like the sound of goodies... |
| 08:29.56 | Terminus | buscon: see topic and release notes |
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| 08:30.19 | antihero | but srs I probably need to work out how to get good at building packages in order to deploy software, too. |
| 08:30.22 | buscon | Terminus, uh, thx |
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| 08:30.44 | apm1 | wow sid has a bunch of stuff in updates today |
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| 08:31.08 | EmleyMoor | apm1: Yes, it's no longer "slushy". |
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| 08:31.27 | jelly-home | antihero: apt-cache search nginx; apt-cache show nginx-light nginx-full nginx-extras nginx-naxsi |
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| 08:37.10 | dasFelix | I have a filenames (migrated from 2002) which contain umlauts. Instead of jubiläum.txt it shows jubil?um.txt ... Can I convert them automatically or do I have to rename them manually? Locale says de_DE.UTF-8 [wheezy] |
| 08:37.55 | antihero | the concept of "releases" is so weird, but kinda makes sense |
| 08:38.13 | antihero | I've "started out" on rolling release distros, where packages are tested individually |
| 08:38.48 | jelly-home | unfortunately noone ever uses the packages individually |
| 08:38.56 | ChrisH | dasFelix: I would rename them manually or in other words, I did not yet find a way to do it automatigcally and reliable. |
| 08:38.57 | antihero | jelly-home: That's the logic I was thinking |
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| 08:39.10 | antihero | just never considered it before |
| 08:39.29 | antihero | can debian do security updates automatically like ubuntu? |
| 08:39.35 | dasFelix | ChrisH ... okay thank you :D I did not encounter this error until I tried to 'rsync' the files... |
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| 08:42.03 | antihero | apparently yes |
| 08:42.17 | jelly-home | antihero: yes, "unattended-upgrades" are available; it might or might not be the greatest idea for production systems |
| 08:42.25 | dasFelix | ▒ |
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| 08:42.41 | dasFelix | wiered... how to enter this char? :D |
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| 08:43.26 | antihero | jelly-home: I guess if one only does security, and values that more than uptime |
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| 08:44.17 | et | dasFelix: if you know that the filenames before were of a certain character set, you can use a script that tries to decode as utf-8, if that fails, decode as <your-charset>, encode as utf-8, and rename |
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| 08:44.28 | et | that's what i did in one such instance |
| 08:45.08 | apm1 | is the recovery mode the same as single user mode ? |
| 08:45.37 | Chestal | I'm running sid here and changelogs (apt-get changelog or via aptitude) stopped working a few weeks ago. http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/ is now empty, I found http://ftp-master.metadata.debian.org/changelogs/, has it moved? I have a hard time finding info about it |
| 08:45.37 | apm1 | recovery mode entry in grub menu i mean |
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| 08:57.02 | loaden | hi, guys! I'm a `Wheezy + GNOME3 + Lightdm + ATI-fglrx-driver` user, and using lightdm login in GNOME3 with tty7. When I want login in other tty, e.g. tty1, tty2..., I can't see anything after press `Ctrl+Alt+F1` or `Ctrl+Alt+F2`, the screen will go black (darkness), but every thing seems just works. e.g. I can still login in tty1 and `startx` into X again with darkness screen. I can press `Ctrl+Alt+F7` return GNOME3 too. It seems only the screen can't see anyt |
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| 08:58.43 | Terminus | loaden: disabling kms didn't work? |
| 08:58.50 | babilen | loaden: How did you install the fglrx driver? |
| 08:59.19 | loaden | Terminus: yes |
| 08:59.30 | loaden | babilen: install fglrx-driver from repo. |
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| 08:59.43 | babilen | ack, and you rebooted as well? |
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| 09:00.00 | babilen | (I assume you did as you apparently tried to disable KMS) |
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| 09:00.07 | loaden | babilen: sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver |
| 09:00.19 | smithi | hello everyone, i wish to use wheezy 64bit with iceweasel and sun java plugin. But it dont work with iceweasel. "update-alternatives --config java" is set to the correct Version, also "java -version" show the correct Version, but "update-java-alternatives" show the old version. What output is relevant for now? |
| 09:00.26 | VampiricPadraig | Hey guys. Is there a proper package name for E17 in Wheezy. I am only seeing packages for jessie and sid :/ |
| 09:00.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell loaden -about fglrx dkms |
| 09:00.48 | VampiricPadraig | Or am I being blind again X-X |
| 09:00.52 | babilen | loaden: But yeah, that should be okay -- The module was built and you rebooted after the installation didn't you? |
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| 09:01.27 | babilen | VampiricPadraig: No e17 in wheezy -- You can probably backport it from sid by following "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 09:01.34 | ChrisH | smithi: try mozilla-javaplugin instead |
| 09:01.36 | babilen | judd: checkbackport e17 |
| 09:01.37 | judd | Backporting package e17 in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 09:01.58 | babilen | oh, sry ... brb |
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| 09:02.58 | h00ked | wow, next nexus tablet will have PLS display o.O |
| 09:03.34 | smithi | ChrisH: No package or command "mozilla-javaplugin" |
| 09:03.45 | h00ked | and 11 inches, good way for wheezy finally :) |
| 09:04.00 | grn | when I do sudo then PATH doesn't contain /sbin and /usr/sbin. How can I fix that? |
| 09:04.48 | loaden | babilen: I have this issue for some days. |
| 09:05.11 | loaden | babilen: I have tried many way hope to fix it. but no luck. |
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| 09:05.48 | loaden | babilen: I have rebooted after install the driver or disable the KMS. |
| 09:07.09 | smithi | ChrisH: $JAVA_HOME is set to the correct directory, if iceweasel uses these variable |
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| 09:07.53 | Terminus | loaden: dkms is not kms. babilen's suggestion is worth a try. it's another probable cause of your problem. |
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| 09:10.48 | loaden | babilen: still no luck. |
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| 09:11.22 | loaden | babilen: i have do this, and reboot, no luck. |
| 09:11.22 | loaden | aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf |
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| 09:14.22 | babilen | loaden: I take it that it works fine with the radeon driver? |
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| 09:14.37 | hellyeah | hey |
| 09:14.48 | hellyeah | Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0bda:8172 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8191SU 802.11n WLAN Adapter |
| 09:14.59 | loaden | babilen: it's still darkness, but can enter gnome-shell. |
| 09:15.02 | hellyeah | this is the model i have and i got nothnig from iwconfig about that |
| 09:15.22 | loaden | babilen: I am not sure what you meaning. sorry, my poor english. |
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| 09:15.51 | loaden | babilen: I need try other way? |
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| 09:16.24 | ChrisH | smithi: no. it simply uses the plugins found in a specific directory |
| 09:16.51 | jeetpei | Hi all |
| 09:16.52 | antihero | TIL debian packages are far more complicated than arch ones :( |
| 09:17.08 | antihero | I can't even get nginx to build *before* modification |
| 09:18.09 | jeetpei | can anyone please tell me how can i check system.journal file under /var/log/journal ? |
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| 09:19.03 | loaden | babilen: my /etc/X11/xorg.conf, see: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2381570 |
| 09:19.21 | babilen | loaden: AMD graphic cards are support by the fglrx driver (proprietary) as well as the radeon driver. The latter is an open source driver that does, however, require non-free firmware. My question is if it works if you do not use the fglrx driver, but the radeon driver |
| 09:19.53 | babilen | loaden: If you have the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf you do not need an /etc/X11/xorg.conf as the former is all you need to tell Xorg to use the fglrx driver. |
| 09:19.57 | babilen | dpkg: tell loaden -about radeon |
| 09:20.06 | ChrisH | smithi: checked mynotes, the specific directory was/is /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins |
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| 09:20.28 | babilen | loaden: I don't know what is causing your problem with fglrx, but I was simply interested if the system works as expected with the open source driver. |
| 09:21.19 | loaden | babilen: I just rename /etc/X11/xorg.conf then reboot? |
| 09:22.28 | smithi | ChrisH: i only have /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins. Because i use iceweasel and not mozillas-firefox? |
| 09:22.44 | babilen | loaden: okay -- First and foremost: remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf -- You don't need that either way. Assuming you have the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf in place you would end up with a configuration that should work just fine for fglrx. |
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| 09:23.25 | loaden | babilen: I'll do it. |
| 09:24.05 | babilen | loaden: That does not, however, do anything about your actual problem .. for that I would be interested to know how the free driver behaves. For that you would purge the fglrx driver again, install firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri -- You would then move /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf somewhere else adn reboot. |
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| 09:24.34 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 09:27.40 | antihero | uuurgh .debs have so many files :( |
| 09:27.54 | antihero | is there an easy way to make packages? |
| 09:28.02 | antihero | arch has one! |
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| 09:29.39 | joltcan | antihero: depends on if it should just add files or build stuff, see http://wiki.debian.org/Packaging/Files |
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| 09:30.13 | joltcan | antihero: and http://wiki.debian.org/Packaging/Files |
| 09:30.46 | Terminus | antihero: nginx right? what i do is i take the recent source deb for it, update it a bit for new sources if any, and away we go. |
| 09:31.16 | Terminus | antihero: it will take a few hours of reading to understand everything but it's a skill worth picking up. i learned how to roll debs and rpms because i had to. |
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| 09:32.43 | pithagorians | probably offtop, but don't know where to address the question :) how can i create a soft raid massive with an exact needed size? |
| 09:33.12 | Terminus | massive with an exact needed size? |
| 09:33.22 | ChrisH | smithi: I noted that a while ago, after checking it the N+1st time using strace. |
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| 09:35.05 | Terminus | pithagorians: there's the -z parameter with mdadm if you want to specify the amount of space to use from each drive. |
| 09:35.24 | jelly-home | pithagorians: why do you need the result array device to have a specific size? |
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| 09:36.09 | apm1 | will there be xfce 4.10 in sid soon or it has migrated to sid from experimental already ? |
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| 09:36.33 | pithagorians | its gonna be a part of DRBD storage, that requires exact size of the used device |
| 09:36.44 | loaden | babilen: I'm tried to purge fglrx-driver, then I can't enter X. |
| 09:37.24 | Terminus | pithagorians: do both drbd nodes have identical drives? if so, why not just allocate everything? |
| 09:37.27 | jelly-home | apm1: at this point, the answer to any "will new FOO be in sid" is "probably, wait a couple weeks for things to settle down" |
| 09:38.04 | pithagorians | no, one node is on hardware raid controller and second one on software raid |
| 09:38.08 | Terminus | pithagorians: otherwise, get the size of your smallest partition and use the -z parameter on all nodes. |
| 09:38.10 | jelly-home | !wheezy pool 1 |
| 09:38.11 | dpkg | ! blubberdiblub=2013-04-07 lisandro=2013-04-26 enrico=2013-03-25 madamezou=2013-04-01 Synrg=2013-04-26 shirish=2013-05-15 LtL=2013-05-21 rizlah=2013-01-02 bolt=2013-04-01 TCW=2013-02-17 babilen=2013-05-04 cousin_luigi=2013-01-14 tremon=2013-01-26 jelly=2013-05-07 comps=2013-02-20 ml|=2013-06-13 chealer=2012-12-20 jordanm=2013-08-21 peterrooney=2013-02-08 Arrowmaster=2012-12-12 simonrvn=2013-03-23 themill=2013-03-15 abrotman=2013-06-01 |
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| 09:38.47 | jelly-home | gives babilen a grudgy congratulation |
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| 09:39.49 | Terminus | haha. bets on wheezy release. nice. |
| 09:40.18 | apm1 | Terminus, almost every debian community has them |
| 09:40.27 | apm1 | around the interwebz |
| 09:40.40 | jelly-home | Terminus: nice? That was SO CLOSE yet not close enough! |
| 09:40.57 | babilen | \o/ |
| 09:41.14 | Terminus | apm1: yeah, i haven't really interacted with the debian community in a long time. i'm only here coz wheezy. been using debian since potato though. |
| 09:41.30 | flobian | Hi! where can i get a debian 5.0 amd64 cd? I can't find a valid mirror to use my 5.0 netinstall CD. |
| 09:41.31 | Terminus | jelly-home: you're just mad that babilen got the right date. =P |
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| 09:42.14 | Terminus | flobian: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
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| 09:42.32 | babilen | When I saw the "Wheezy is coming -- 05/05/2013" picture on planet.d.o I was all: "Oh, come on guys!" -- /me wanders over to #debian-offtopic |
| 09:42.34 | apm1 | Terminus, "are you one of those who've never reinstalled their system since potato and have been dist-upgrading to the next realease ever since ?" |
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| 09:42.57 | apm1 | if yes then i bow to you sire XD |
| 09:43.04 | flobian | Terminus: ok, thanks! |
| 09:43.18 | Terminus | flobian: wait, might be wrong page. doesn't look like what i've seen before. |
| 09:43.23 | loaden | babilen: the raedon opensource driver does not work for me. |
| 09:43.26 | loaden | hi, guys! I'm a `Wheezy + GNOME3 + Lightdm + ATI-fglrx-driver` user, and using lightdm login in GNOME3 with tty7. When I want login in other tty, e.g. tty1, tty2..., I can't see anything after press `Ctrl+Alt+F1` or `Ctrl+Alt+F2`, the screen will go black (darkness), but every thing seems just works. e.g. I can still login in tty1 and `startx` into X again with darkness screen. I can press `Ctrl+Alt+F7` return GNOME3 too. It seems only the screen can't see anyt |
| 09:44.01 | babilen | loaden: Well, you left the channel before I gave additional instructions ... Why doesn't it work? |
| 09:44.15 | Terminus | apm1: i've never actually done a dist-upgrade. i always go for the backup /etc /home /var and reformat route. XD |
| 09:44.18 | loaden | babilen: I have tried to purge fglrx-driver, and reinstall xserver-xorg-vedio-radeon, but no luck. |
| 09:44.30 | loaden | babilen: I can't start my GNOME-shell. |
| 09:44.40 | flobian | here i found the CDs: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/cdimage/archive/5.0.10/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 09:45.03 | loaden | babilen: sorry, because I am rebooted. |
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| 09:45.22 | Terminus | flobian: nevermind. i derped. archive.debian.org looks good. |
| 09:45.28 | babilen | loaden: Yes, I am not surprised as you failed to receive my message: "#debian.05-07.log:10:24 babilen > loaden: That does not, however, do anything about your actual problem .. for that I would be interested to know how the free driver behaves. For that you would purge the fglrx driver again, install firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri -- You would then move /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf somewhere else adn reboot." |
| 09:46.07 | babilen | flobian: Are you a computer archeologist? |
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| 09:46.38 | babilen | dpkg: tell flobian -about lenny |
| 09:47.21 | Terminus | flobian: that's exactly the page i was looking for. |
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| 09:49.16 | loaden | babilen: do these? loaden: Yes, I am not surprised as you failed to receive my message: "#debian.05-07.log:10:24 babilen > loaden: That does not, however, do anything about your actual problem .. for that I would be interested to know how the free driver behaves. For that you would purge the fglrx driver again, install firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri -- You would then move /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf somewhere else adn reboot." |
| 09:49.26 | loaden | babilen: sorry. |
| 09:49.44 | loaden | babilen: sudo apt-get purge fglrx-driverge && sudo apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri && sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ -r |
| 09:49.52 | babilen | loaden: It's okay ... You came back and I could repeat the message. Also: Did you alter any files manually to disable KMS? |
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| 09:50.33 | babilen | loaden: That looks alright, but I would recommend to remove specific files explicitly from /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and not just nuke everything. |
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| 09:50.39 | loaden | babilen: loaden@qpsoft:~$ cat /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf options radeon modeset=1 |
| 09:50.40 | babilen | (no idea what else you have in there) |
| 09:50.47 | loaden | babilen: loaden@qpsoft:~$ cat /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf options radeon modeset=0 |
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| 09:51.09 | loaden | babilen: I've did this by change the modeset=1 to modeset=0 |
| 09:52.03 | babilen | loaden: Okay, please change that. But note that this does *not* affect the fglrx driver - So, do what I suggested above, make sure that the firmware and libgl1-mesa-dri packages are installed, remove the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf file (and any other /etc/X11/xorg.conf), revert your change for KMS and then reboot. |
| 09:52.06 | loaden | babilen: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/, there only one file. so, it's should clear to remove the dir. |
| 09:52.29 | babilen | loaden: Just remove the file, the directory can stay as you might need it later and it won't hurt at all |
| 09:52.46 | babilen | But then, do what you want :D |
| 09:52.49 | loaden | babilen: ok. |
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| 09:53.16 | smithi | ChrisH: nevertheless thanks for your help. |
| 09:53.26 | loaden | babilen: I need disable KMS or not before doing these? |
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| 09:53.56 | flobian | Terminus: I have to compile a new tool for an old web server :-( |
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| 09:55.49 | Terminus | flobian: well, that ought to be fun. no chance of just upgrading the web server? |
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| 09:56.45 | Terminus | at least lenny doesn't seem that old. i shudder at the thought of having to maintain a woody box. |
| 09:56.48 | ChrisH | smithi: does it work now? I need sun-javaplugin for my office system, too. Many applications do not work with openjdk7 only sun-java 6 |
| 09:56.49 | babilen | loaden: Please enable it (revert your change to that file -- I want to see the normal behaviour first (in particular after installing firmware)) |
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| 09:57.10 | loaden | babilen: i see |
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| 10:01.30 | smithi | ChrisH: no, still not working. Maybe because i use the jre package instead the complete jdk? |
| 10:01.53 | ChrisH | smithi: is there a lib-something in? |
| 10:02.27 | smithi | ChrisH: where can i show it. |
| 10:02.44 | ChrisH | smithi: paste.debian.net |
| 10:03.58 | Konomi | lsb_release -a shows wheezy even though I've added jessie and pinned it to be higher than wheezy and pulled new packages, any ideas |
| 10:04.23 | smithi | ChrisH: sorry, for my bad english. i mean where can i see, if there are libraries in? |
| 10:04.31 | Stameni | if i install lxde as my de, and want to get some gnome application ( evolution for example ), how large the required packages set wuold be ? |
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| 10:05.58 | smithi | ChrisH: it is a fresh installation and the only i post-install is the flashplugin-nonfree. But this work correctly. |
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| 10:09.35 | ChrisH | smithi: dpkg -L PACKAGENAME |
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| 10:13.58 | Andy80 | hi |
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| 10:14.40 | Andy80 | what is the cleanest way to change debian mirrors on a machine, other than manually editing /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 10:14.56 | ChrisH | Andy80: sed ? SCNR |
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| 10:15.14 | babilen | Andy80: Copying a suitable file in place |
| 10:15.15 | zck | zck: sed ? SCNR |
| 10:15.30 | babilen | zck: yes? |
| 10:15.34 | Andy80 | what is SCNR? |
| 10:15.41 | themill | !scnr |
| 10:15.41 | dpkg | [scnr] Sorry, could not resist |
| 10:15.41 | smithi | ChrisH: Many output in /usr/lib/iceweasel and /usr/share/iceweasel, but no *.so files |
| 10:15.42 | zck | babilen: true |
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| 10:15.58 | themill | or push everything through apt-cacher-ng and have it rewrite the URL to the preferred mirror |
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| 10:17.35 | smithi | ChrisH: what do you use to paste outputs? With Slackware and Gentoo i use wgetpaste, but i cant find it in the debian repos |
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| 10:18.03 | babilen | smithi: nopaste is nice |
| 10:18.08 | babilen | dpkg: tell smithi -about nopaste |
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| 10:18.18 | ChrisH | smithi: aptitude search paste shows eg pastebinit |
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| 10:19.11 | babilen | no, don't use pastebinit! |
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| 10:19.25 | babilen | I still have nightmares and should have never read its code |
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| 10:19.53 | ChrisH | babilen: what else? |
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| 10:20.02 | babilen | nopaste is good as mentioned earlier |
| 10:20.12 | apm1 | ChrisH, paste.debian.net |
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| 10:20.22 | smithi | i saw it, but did not know if it's the right |
| 10:21.03 | babilen | Unfortunately it requires you to set an environment variable if you want it to use http://paste.debian.net in lieu of pastie.org -- ISTR that this changed in a recent version, but *shrug* |
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| 10:22.31 | smithi | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/2634/ |
| 10:22.39 | jdoles | babilen: is there any program that functions to interact with paste.debian.net ? |
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| 10:23.00 | themill | (you can even use netcat to pastebin) |
| 10:23.01 | babilen | yes, nopaste |
| 10:23.13 | ChrisH | smithi: is that a dpkg -L output? |
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| 10:23.38 | smithi | ChrisH: yes, dpkg -L iceweasel |
| 10:23.43 | babilen | jdoles: "NOPASTE_SERVICES=Debian nopaste /path/to/file/that/will/be/pasted/to/paste/debian/net" |
| 10:23.57 | petn-randall | Konomi: Probably the updated LSB packages aren't in jessie yet. Jessie is like 2 days old, and migrating from unstable to testing alone takes usually 10 days. |
| 10:24.02 | proxy_ | Hello, I installed wheezy on a machine then `dpkg --get-selections > file` and copied file to another machine where I `dpkg --set-selections < file`. I get the following warning and nothing is selected in aptitude: dpkg: warning: package not in database at line X: PACKAGE_NAME (100s of those lines). |
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| 10:24.12 | Stameni | is there still a way to install gnome2 as de ? |
| 10:24.28 | babilen | Stameni: On wheezy? |
| 10:24.47 | Stameni | yes |
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| 10:25.28 | apm1 | i wish |
| 10:25.37 | babilen | Stameni: No, there isn't. I would recommend to take a look at XFCE if you don't like Gnome3 -- cinnamon is an alternative, but unfortunately not in wheezy. Not sure how easy it is to backport that from sid. |
| 10:26.02 | babilen | judd: checkbackport cinnamon |
| 10:26.04 | judd | Backporting package cinnamon in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libmuffin-dev (>= 1.7.1). |
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| 10:26.24 | Sevet | petn-randall: correct, i checked yesterday and base-files in jessie still lists wheezy in debian_version+issue |
| 10:26.49 | Stameni | babilen: i like gnome apps and if i install lxde for example, how much of gnome "stuff" would anyway be installed when i try to get evolution for example ? |
| 10:26.57 | babilen | Stameni: You could give it a try -- Follow "/msg dpkg ssb" and backport libmuffin-dev first (and install it) before backporting cinnamon itself. My personalt recommendation would be to either get used to Gnome 3 or use an alternative such as XFCE4. |
| 10:27.02 | Sevet | Konomi: patience ;) update in a few days and i'm sure it'll show the correct value |
| 10:27.24 | Konomi | kk |
| 10:27.32 | smithi | ChrisH: did not think that it is so problematic, to install java on debian |
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| 10:27.35 | apm1 | babilen, how soon we gonna see xfce 4.10 in sid ? couple 'a days you think ? |
| 10:27.40 | Konomi | I want it shiney I am impatient ;p |
| 10:27.59 | ChrisH | smithi: try icedtea-6-plugin which is working very well for me. and a dpkg -L shows its using /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins for libjavaplugin.so |
| 10:28.18 | babilen | apm1: No idea what the XFCE maintainers plan is, but yeah -- it probably won't take too long. |
| 10:29.00 | Konomi | I'm looking foward to the new kde 4.9/10 making it into testing |
| 10:29.06 | Alina-malina | Hello all! Is there any tutorial how to make wifi network, so users of my wifi network could browse local websites? Is that possible? I have dlink access-point and a debian machine, is there any tutoirials i can do this? |
| 10:29.22 | ChrisH | smithi: installing java on debian is a bit tricky, due to license issues. Buit what do you need? commandline java or java-plugin in your browser? |
| 10:29.38 | babilen | smithi: What are your problems? You typically just have to install default-{jre,jdk} or openjdk-{6,7}-{jdk,jre} and icedtea-{6,7}-plugin and you are done |
| 10:29.39 | mumpitze1 | Alina-malina: will the debian machine act as AP? |
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| 10:30.31 | Alina-malina | mumpitze1, i have a webserver on debian machine, so users could connect to that wifi network and browse that website, but locally no internet connection necessary |
| 10:30.50 | smithi | ChrisH: java-plugin for the web-browser and for work with tvbrowser http://www.tvbrowser.org/ |
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| 10:32.14 | mumpitze1 | Alina-malina: so all you want is making them not being able to access the wider internet? |
| 10:33.43 | Alina-malina | mumpitze1, no there is no internet at all:) |
| 10:34.32 | smithi | babilen: default-jre, openjdk-6-jre were already installed, but dont work say http://www.java.com/de/download/installed.jsp |
| 10:34.52 | babilen | smithi: Yes, that is a bug specific to OpenJDK (or that website) |
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| 10:35.11 | babilen | smithi: I assume that you have icedtea-6-plugin installed |
| 10:35.28 | mumpitze1 | Alina-malina: then what is the actual problem? |
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| 10:36.04 | proxy_ | Could someone help? |
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| 10:36.18 | proxy_ | I installed wheezy on a machine then `dpkg --get-selections > file` and copied file to another machine where I `dpkg --set-selections < file`. I get the following warning and nothing is selected in aptitude: dpkg: warning: package not in database at line X: PACKAGE_NAME (100s of those lines). |
| 10:36.50 | Alina-malina | mumpitze1, ok here what i want to do. There are from 6-8 machines that have wifi on them, i want them to be able to connect to wifi network(my access point) and access the website that on webserver. for example they connect to wifi put the login and password, hit www.mywebsite.loca |
| 10:36.59 | proxy_ | I did edit the souces.list and ran apt-get update |
| 10:36.59 | babilen | smithi: http://icedtea.classpath.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=588 is the bug report in question -- What is your *actual* problem? |
| 10:37.10 | proxy_ | this method was warning fine before... |
| 10:37.11 | Alina-malina | mumpitze1, hit www.mywebsite.local and come to my website |
| 10:37.21 | flobian | Terminus: upgrading is in planning. The new tool has to run next week :-( |
| 10:37.30 | babilen | smithi: err, no that was the wrong report. sorry -- :-/ |
| 10:37.55 | Alina-malina | mumpitze1, the problem is i dont know how to do that:) Any tutorials or tips would be apreciated:) |
| 10:38.21 | proxy_ | working* |
| 10:38.24 | babilen | smithi: It is a well known problem though that that website doesn't work with OpenJDK -- I am sure that you are able to find the bug report in question. |
| 10:39.07 | mumpitze1 | Alina-malina: how is the network set up. what devices apart from wlan clients and your debian servers, are there on this network? |
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| 10:39.43 | Alina-malina | there is only an dlink access point device which connect through LAN card on the machine |
| 10:39.47 | Alina-malina | mumpitze1, ^ |
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| 10:40.23 | mumpitze1 | good. then install dnsmasq which acts as a dhcp and dns server. in your /etc/hosts you enter www.mywebsite.local and its static IP |
| 10:41.10 | mumpitze1 | all wlan clients will get their IPs from your debian server and their DNS resolvers point to your debian machine as well |
| 10:41.21 | Chestal | proxy_: I think you have to use apt-get -u dselect-upgrade |
| 10:41.42 | Alina-malina | mumpitze1, so it will give automaticaly ip addresses to anyone who have the pogin passwordk to wifi right? ok super!!! i`lll try it |
| 10:41.52 | Alina-malina | *login password |
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| 10:41.56 | proxy_ | ok...checking. but before I always used dpkg --set-selections |
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| 10:42.12 | Lehti | Hi! Is the KVM compiled into Debian kernel directly or is it loaded as a module? Do KVM related updates require a boot? |
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| 10:43.04 | andyjpb | hi peeps! i had a wheezy/testing install and a few weeks ago I installed a new wheezy on a different machine from scratch. I set the package selection the same but I'm missing /usr/lib32/libXv.so.1 even tho I have the libXv1 pacakge |
| 10:43.06 | andyjpb | any tips? |
| 10:43.37 | mumpitze1 | Alina-malina: any dhcp server will usually. the beauty of dnsmasq is, it acts as dns and dhcp server at the same time for your clients |
| 10:43.37 | proxy_ | 0 upgraded, 0 newly iinstalled, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 10:44.17 | proxy_ | this would have worked if dpkg --set-selections < file worked. |
| 10:44.17 | mumpitze1 | ,file /usr/lib32/libXv.so.1 |
| 10:44.25 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
| 10:45.02 | mumpitze1 | ,versions libxv1 |
| 10:45.03 | judd | Package: libxv1 on i386 -- squeeze: 2:1.0.5-1; jessie: 2:1.0.7-1; sid: 2:1.0.7-1; wheezy: 2:1.0.7-1 |
| 10:45.14 | andyjpb | I'm on amd64 |
| 10:45.27 | mumpitze1 | you might need the i386 package of it then |
| 10:45.57 | andyjpb | mumpitze1: do I have to make special arrangements for that? |
| 10:46.49 | Chestal | proxy_: ah, I misread your problem, I thought that --set-selections ran fine |
| 10:46.55 | mumpitze1 | !tell andyjpb about multiarch |
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| 10:47.50 | proxy_ | never mind...i too found that because of a typo i was getting wrong google result...i almost solved it. |
| 10:48.01 | Alina-malina | mumpitze1, yes i think it is exacatly what i want, as i am not well with dns and dhcp stuff, if i have questions with configuring i will come and ask you thank you so much! |
| 10:48.03 | proxy_ | thanks for helping. :) |
| 10:48.37 | mumpitze1 | Alina-malina: you will want to give your debian server a static IP |
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| 10:49.34 | andyjpb | mumpitze1: thanks |
| 10:49.42 | Alina-malina | mumpitze1, you mean in here /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 10:51.12 | Alina-malina | mumpitze1, something like this? http://pastebin.com/3uSWyQXL |
| 10:51.41 | mumpitze1 | yes like this |
| 10:52.00 | mumpitze1 | however you don't need/want a gateway line when you say there is no internet access |
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| 10:52.43 | Alina-malina | mumpitze1, oh yes sure, i will remove thank, ok thank you very much for your help! |
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| 10:53.10 | proxy_ | this person had the same problem as me but his fix is not working for me. :( |
| 10:53.10 | proxy_ | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=79006 |
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| 10:53.31 | proxy_ | his fix is the last post. |
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| 10:57.01 | ksuhku | !tell Alina-malina about pastebin.com |
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| 10:59.21 | ksk | hey guys |
| 10:59.38 | ksk | is there anything that should prevent me from running wheezy with an 2.6.32* kernel? |
| 11:00.12 | babilen | .oO( OpenVZ is such a pain ) |
| 11:00.32 | babilen | udev might require a newer kernel |
| 11:00.43 | jdoles | In XFCE4 in wheezy there is a bug which makes it impossible to single click icons on the desktop. This has been corrected upstream already. Do such bugfixes ever flow back to wheezy? |
| 11:01.02 | ksk | mhhm. guess ill just have to test it. and no, openvz is nice ;) |
| 11:01.29 | babilen | ksk: is openvz the reason behind your question? |
| 11:01.34 | ksk | yessir. |
| 11:02.39 | babilen | ksk: hehe .... /me strokes his crystal ball |
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| 11:06.03 | ksuhku | jdoles, no |
| 11:06.46 | ksuhku | (but somebody could make a backport) |
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| 11:08.24 | petn-randall | babilen: Sourcery! |
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| 11:18.23 | danialbehzadi | Hi. I tried to compile a package and it said "error: *** Can't find recent OpenSSL libcrypto" but "libssl-dev" and "openssl" are installed. This is mentioned in the package's archlinux aur packagebuild file: "depends=('krb5' 'openssl' 'libedit')". Which package should I install to compile it? |
| 11:19.22 | nkuttler | danialbehzadi: libcrypto++-dev ? |
| 11:19.35 | nkuttler | danialbehzadi: usually the README or INSTALL file has info |
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| 11:19.53 | mumpitze1 | danialbehzadi: check the configure logfile if any |
| 11:19.59 | babilen | danialbehzadi: Are, mayhaps, looking for #archlinux or are you trying to compile this on Debian and simply mentioned the arch information for further background? |
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| 11:20.31 | danialbehzadi | nkuttler: I also installed libcrypto++-dev but has no positive effect. same error as before |
| 11:20.35 | babilen | And which "package" is this exactly? Where is that package from? |
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| 11:21.07 | nkuttler | danialbehzadi: did you re-rerun configure? and yes, which package |
| 11:21.14 | danialbehzadi | babilen: I want to compile this package (http://nihilex.com/obfuscated-openssh) on debian wheezy |
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| 11:21.18 | babilen | danialbehzadi: Mind sharing the build log on http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 11:21.29 | _Possum | hi, i'm trying to compile a driver for my 3ware raid controller |
| 11:21.30 | babilen | danialbehzadi: That site is offline |
| 11:21.38 | _Possum | but i'm getting this error: |
| 11:21.47 | _Possum | make V=1 -I/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/source/drivers/scsi -C /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/source SUBDIRS=/home/kafka/Downloads/Linux driver source/2.6/kernels/driver modules |
| 11:21.48 | nkuttler | nice error message though.... |
| 11:21.50 | _Possum | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/source: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 11:21.53 | _Possum | make: *** [default] Error 2 |
| 11:22.02 | _Possum | i installed the newest linux-headers but don't know exactly what to symlink and where to |
| 11:22.34 | nkuttler | _Possum: install the linux-source package as well |
| 11:22.36 | babilen | _Possum: Are you sure that you have to compile that manually? What is the PCIID of the device in question? (alphanumerical identifier in "lspci -nn" at the end) |
| 11:22.42 | danialbehzadi | babilen: oh, it was alive moments ago :( |
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| 11:23.03 | ChrisH | danialbehzadi: check http://blog.slpo.net/?p=1234 |
| 11:23.44 | _Possum | i don't have to compile that manually, but if i want the latest driver isntalled i have to |
| 11:23.54 | _Possum | thing is i'm ahving issues at the moment that's why i'm doing it |
| 11:24.34 | _Possum | i get an IRQ error on high traffic of moving files from 1 raid5 array to another raid5 array |
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| 11:24.38 | _Possum | both on the same controller |
| 11:24.38 | jelly-home | _Possum: one other thing to try first would be to use the 3.2 kernel from squeeze-backports if the 2.6.32 default is problematic |
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| 11:26.47 | _Possum | nkutller , i installed the linux-source, what now? |
| 11:26.48 | babilen | _Possum: Would a newer kernel be an option? |
| 11:26.49 | _Possum | still same error |
| 11:27.13 | danialbehzadi | nkuttler: babilen: It went OK by reinstall libssl-dev, thank you |
| 11:27.24 | babilen | great |
| 11:27.31 | _Possum | i've no idea, i'm pretty much a newb in linux, i just use it for some basic stuff, some upgrading kernels and such is pretty much too advanced for my knowledge |
| 11:27.51 | danialbehzadi | ChrisH: thanks for the debain specific solution ;) |
| 11:27.51 | _Possum | *so upgrading |
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| 11:28.00 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
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| 11:28.36 | cousin_luigi | How can I search packages contents for oldstable (squeeze)? packages.debian.org doesn't seem to offer the option. |
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| 11:29.08 | babilen | _Possum: Okay, when did you install that box? It is quite uncommon that users have to compile drivers themselves as the "normal" way to deal with this is simply by installing a newer kernel. Doing that is not too hard on squeeze (the version of Debian you use). I'd like to note that we released the next version of Debian over the weekend so you might want to consider upgrading to that too. |
| 11:29.17 | babilen | dpkg: tell _Possum about bdo kernel |
| 11:29.23 | babilen | dpkg: tell _Possum about squeeze->wheezy |
| 11:29.54 | babilen | _Possum: Our bot just sent you information on how to install a newer kernel from backports and on the upgrading procedure to wheezy respectively |
| 11:30.23 | jelly-home | upgrading the userspace won't help with irq problems tho |
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| 11:31.33 | _Possum | heh |
| 11:31.41 | _Possum | that's why i'm trying to install that driver |
| 11:31.46 | _Possum | supplied by 3ware |
| 11:31.55 | _Possum | to try to resolve this irq issue |
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| 11:32.48 | jelly-home | yeah, but testing a newer kernel (which also has a bit newer version of the 3ware driver) is a valid option and not hard to do |
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| 11:33.43 | _Possum | is there a way to check which driver version for 3ware that new kernel holds? |
| 11:34.36 | iDrac | look at kernel git repo |
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| 11:34.45 | mumpitze1 | kernel modules sometimes print their version in the kernel log. if not, you have to look at the sources |
| 11:35.16 | _Possum | too advanced for me |
| 11:35.17 | _Possum | heh |
| 11:35.36 | iDrac | modinfo -a module |
| 11:35.39 | iDrac | as root |
| 11:35.50 | _Possum | btw |
| 11:35.57 | _Possum | how do i remove a symlink that i've made? |
| 11:36.01 | jelly-home | _Possum: modinfo 3w-9xxx (if that's the one for your controller; there's a couple of 3w-* modules) will show the version |
| 11:36.04 | iDrac | rm |
| 11:36.28 | Sevet | _Possum: tw_cli command, 'show ver' will show CLI+API versions... not sure whether the API would be the driver version |
| 11:36.39 | iDrac | mumpitze1: i recommend reading a debian book |
| 11:36.47 | iDrac | or a linux book |
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| 11:37.05 | babilen | _Possum: I'd recommend to try the kernel from backports and plan the upgrade to wheezy |
| 11:37.09 | ChrisH | _Possum: man rm :) |
| 11:37.11 | iDrac | you'll learn 1000x faster than through irc |
| 11:38.02 | jelly-home | _Possum: lsmod|grep 3w should tell which one is loaded at present |
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| 11:42.30 | _Possum | yea old driver included there |
| 11:42.40 | mumpitze1 | iDrac: why? |
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| 11:44.51 | _Possum | so all i ahve to do is |
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| 11:44.54 | _Possum | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:45.11 | _Possum | and it'l upgrade the kernel? |
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| 11:49.02 | babilen | _Possum: No |
| 11:49.10 | babilen | dpkg: tell _Possum -about bdo kernel |
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| 11:49.29 | boba123 | Hi |
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| 11:50.56 | _Possum | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.04 | _Possum | aso what? |
| 11:52.11 | babilen | _Possum: Ask dpkg (our bot) about "bdo" by typing "bdo" in the right chat window and hitting enter. It will direct you to http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ which explains how to configure your system to use backports. |
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| 11:52.35 | boba123 | I want do build a debian package for my programm and want to add my mime-type to the global defaults.list. For the user wide defaults.list I can use 'xdg-mime default' but the manual advises not to use this command as root. How can I add (and remove) my entry to the global defaults.list? |
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| 11:55.14 | _Possum | babilen, aside of upgrading kernel, wouldn't it be smart to check what sits on the same IRQ with my 3ware raid controller ? so perhaps i could disable it? |
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| 11:58.19 | jelly-home | _Possum: change one thing at a time. |
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| 11:58.36 | jelly-home | (yes, that's a good idea as well) |
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| 12:00.43 | _Possum | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.50 | _Possum | what's i915 in this case? |
| 12:00.54 | _Possum | on IRQ #16 |
| 12:02.46 | jelly-home | the embedded graphic card |
| 12:02.58 | _Possum | shit :\ |
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| 12:03.19 | _Possum | you mean the one on-board? |
| 12:03.27 | jelly-home | _Possum: so have you decided to attack the kernel version or the possible urq conflict first? |
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| 12:03.42 | _Possum | the possible irq conflict |
| 12:03.43 | jelly-home | yes, the intel gpu on board. |
| 12:03.44 | _Possum | first |
| 12:04.18 | jelly-home | ok. Simple, stupid workaround is to move the raid controller to the next slot. |
| 12:04.28 | _Possum | if i had another one |
| 12:04.29 | _Possum | :) |
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| 12:04.33 | _Possum | it's a stupid old mobo |
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| 12:04.37 | _Possum | with 1 pci-e |
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| 12:05.09 | jelly-home | then disable graphics on that server machine, if you use it as server |
| 12:05.12 | nevyn | what's the bios irq assignment strategy ? |
| 12:05.35 | _Possum | jelly-home , do you it might solve the issue? |
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| 12:05.45 | _Possum | *do you tihnk |
| 12:06.06 | jelly-home | _Possum: not really, but it doesn't hurt to try |
| 12:06.13 | _Possum | lol |
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| 12:06.27 | _Possum | is there a possibility that it has a conflict with other IRQ's ? |
| 12:06.59 | jelly-home | not in a way I'd know about |
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| 12:08.07 | jelly-home | _Possum: first, try the new kernel. See how that works. Next, if that does not help, try forcing the use_msi=1 module option for 3w-9xxx module. |
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| 12:08.41 | jelly-home | _Possum: this makes use of a more modern pciexpress features but doesn't always work (esp. on older chipsets) |
| 12:09.19 | _Possum | is there a godo possibility that my raid controller might be broken? |
| 12:09.27 | _Possum | *good |
| 12:09.38 | jeltsch | I want to use German locale settings, but Estonian timezone. How can I set this up with Debian Installer? The installer tells me that the system locale setting affects both the ordinary locale settings and the timezone. |
| 12:09.43 | jelly-home | _Possum: it's way too early to say that |
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| 12:10.16 | jelly-home | _Possum: just for fun, does the current "modinfo 3w-9xxx" output show a use_msi option? |
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| 12:11.10 | _Possum | parm: use_msi:Use Message Signaled Interrupts. Default: 0 (int) |
| 12:11.37 | jelly-home | that's a positive |
| 12:11.50 | _Possum | meaning that? |
| 12:11.59 | jelly-home | _Possum: it's present. is this your boot controller? |
| 12:12.09 | _Possum | no |
| 12:12.13 | _Possum | i disabled boot from controller |
| 12:12.21 | _Possum | i boot from IDE hdd from motherboard |
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| 12:12.53 | jelly-home | _Possum: ok. can you umount everything from there, sync for good measure, and "rmmod 3w-9xxx"? |
| 12:13.12 | _Possum | what does sync for good measure means? |
| 12:13.18 | jelly-home | run "sync" |
| 12:13.29 | _Possum | wait i'll umount |
| 12:13.44 | _Possum | you mean umount the mounted drives right? |
| 12:14.01 | jelly-home | everything from the 3ware, yes |
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| 12:15.13 | _Possum | ERROR: Module 3w_9xxx is in use |
| 12:15.15 | _Possum | uhmm |
| 12:15.18 | _Possum | i wonder whats using it |
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| 12:16.39 | jelly-home | _Possum: oh well. Let's add that module option the proper way then, instead |
| 12:17.10 | _Possum | oki... |
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| 12:18.44 | mallxs | Hi, i need a stupide keep alive mode that will move my mouse every 5 minutes ... any idea of a source or program that has that in it ? |
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| 12:21.15 | jelly-home | _Possum: add a single line with "options 3w-9xxx use_msi=1" into /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf, creating that file if necessary. Run something like "update-initramfs -k $(uname -r) -u" to update the initramfs image as well, just in case the module gets loaded early anyway. Then reboot |
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| 12:22.48 | _Possum | 1 moment |
| 12:23.05 | jelly-home | _Possum: that ought to make the driver use a different kind of irq |
| 12:23.37 | jeltsch | How can I choose a timezone independently from a locale in Debian installer? Does priority=medium help? |
| 12:24.02 | jeltsch | By default, there is only a combined “ |
| 12:24.23 | jeltsch | By default, there is only a combined “country” setting for locale and timezone (which I think is weird). |
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| 12:26.09 | Trewas | combining locale with language is also pretty weird, but tha same problem exists almost every distro |
| 12:27.17 | mallxs | jeltsch: you can change your timezone later on |
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| 12:27.20 | nkuttler | !tell jeltsch about tzconfig |
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| 12:27.53 | jeltsch | Trewas: No, with Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Fedora, I could choose a German locale, and then I could choose any timezone I wanted (just Berlin was the default). |
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| 12:28.28 | jeltsch | I’m actually quite surprised that Debian and not Ubuntu oversimplifies the configuration process. :-( |
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| 12:28.46 | nkuttler | jeltsch: you can pick any location, keymap, and locales you want during install |
| 12:28.52 | _Possum | oki |
| 12:28.54 | _Possum | added |
| 12:28.56 | _Possum | rebootign now |
| 12:29.04 | jeltsch | nkuttler: It doesn’t seem so. |
| 12:29.10 | jeltsch | nkuttler: I chose German as my langua |
| 12:29.36 | nkuttler | jeltsch: and? |
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| 12:30.02 | jeltsch | nkuttler: I can only choose countries, and then Debian uses this settings for locale *and* timezone. |
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| 12:30.06 | _Possum | oki helly-home it's done |
| 12:30.11 | _Possum | *jelly-home |
| 12:30.22 | jeltsch | I cannot, for example, choose a German locale and an Estonian timezone at the same time. |
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| 12:30.45 | _Possum | heh... it assigned a new IRQ for the 3ware card |
| 12:30.53 | _Possum | IRQ #26 |
| 12:31.00 | _Possum | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:31.23 | jeltsch | nkuttler: By the way, you said that I can choose any keymap. However, I didn’t find the Neo keymap in Debian Installer. Is it hidden by default? |
| 12:31.47 | jeltsch | I could only choose “German”, but not any variants like “deadkeys”, “nodeadkeys”, or “neo”? |
| 12:32.03 | nkuttler | jeltsch: no idea what that is |
| 12:32.09 | jeltsch | What what is? |
| 12:32.10 | jelly-home | _Possum: the number is less important; notice the change in PCI-MSI-edge vs. IO-APIC-fasteoi |
| 12:32.13 | jeltsch | Neo? |
| 12:32.16 | nkuttler | jeltsch: the country you chose is for your location, which will be used for timezone |
| 12:32.20 | Trewas | jeltsch: I meant separating language from date format, default papersize, etc |
| 12:32.46 | nkuttler | jeltsch: and i think the installer picks a default locale from that, which you can change in the locale setup.. that could be in expert mode only though, i always use tat |
| 12:32.50 | nkuttler | that |
| 12:33.03 | _Possum | jelly, do you tihnk it made a significant change? |
| 12:33.40 | jelly-home | _Possum: you'll have to test it now, and try reproduce the failure condition again |
| 12:34.04 | _Possum | oki doing it now |
| 12:34.05 | jeltsch | nkuttler: I’ll try with priority=medium then. Still, I think that locale and timezone should be seperated also with priority=high, as it is relatively common today to live in another country. |
| 12:34.31 | nkuttler | jeltsch: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#localechooser |
| 12:34.36 | jeltsch | And I don’t see the point of an install-time configuration when I have to “change things later”. |
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| 12:36.09 | _Possum | jelly, that function that we just activated with that line i added to the modprobe.d, is it a unique function? |
| 12:36.16 | jeltsch | nkuttler: Hmm, so I should first select “German” as the language and “Estonia” as the country, and then the installer will detect that Estonia is not German-speaking and |
| 12:36.17 | _Possum | or what is it exactly? |
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| 12:36.30 | jeltsch | then it will allow me to select a locale. |
| 12:36.36 | jeltsch | Weird … |
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| 12:36.45 | nkuttler | jeltsch: you always select your actual location as location |
| 12:36.47 | jeltsch | So basically I have to trick the installer. |
| 12:36.53 | nkuttler | the rest follows from there.. |
| 12:37.05 | jeltsch | nkuttler: But then I won’t get the formatting of dates, etc. that I wantj |
| 12:37.22 | nkuttler | jeltsch: that's all part of locales |
| 12:37.28 | nkuttler | which have nothing to do with your location |
| 12:37.35 | jeltsch | nkuttler: Yes, and the “location” setting determines the locale. |
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| 12:37.55 | jelly-home | _Possum: it's pciexpress optional functionality; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Message_Signaled_Interrupts |
| 12:38.10 | jeltsch | To repeat: The eis only a *single* setting in Debian Installer that combines timezone and locale. |
| 12:39.01 | _Possum | also, do you think this error is unique for linux? |
| 12:39.08 | nkuttler | jeltsch: so use the expert mode, certainly is different there |
| 12:39.11 | _Possum | like, if i used that controller on windows system, do you think itm ight have been different? |
| 12:39.29 | _Possum | *it might |
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| 12:40.15 | jeltsch | nkuttler: And then I have to answer *lots* of questions I don’t want … |
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| 12:40.48 | nkuttler | jeltsch: don't really see your problem here.. are you just ranting? |
| 12:40.54 | jelly-home | _Possum: it might be unique for this particular combination of mainboard and controller; choice of IRQ routing is definitely dependent a bit on the BIOS, the OS, and as you can see, even the driver |
| 12:41.11 | jelly-home | _Possum: I have absolutely no clue about Windows |
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| 12:41.42 | themill | jeltsch: no installer is going to keep everyone happy and this is one of the most simple things to work around. |
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| 12:42.28 | _Possum | i hope that it might have fixed it, otherwise i'll have to try on a different mobo... |
| 12:42.38 | jeltsch | nkuttler: Also expert mode combines locale and timezone setting. |
| 12:42.44 | _Possum | and then if it will continue on doing so.. i think it'l be safe to say that the card has issues |
| 12:42.49 | jelly-home | _Possum: you haven't tried all of the options yet. |
| 12:43.15 | nkuttler | jeltsch: whatever.. |
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| 12:43.41 | jeltsch | nkuttler: So I first have to install the wrong timezone or locale and change it afterwards? |
| 12:43.47 | jelly-home | _Possum: if this didn't work, you'd still have a newer kernel to try; then, the driver from the vendor; failing all that, the IRQ assignments in BIOS. |
| 12:44.06 | _Possum | i dont have an IRQ assingments in my bios |
| 12:44.09 | nkuttler | jeltsch: no |
| 12:44.18 | _Possum | well i do, but i can't set the 3ware to be on another one |
| 12:44.37 | _Possum | i disabled the function "Assign unique IRQ for VGA" |
| 12:44.57 | _Possum | it is still on that IRQ #16 though |
| 12:45.00 | jelly-home | _Possum: no, but you can set PCI/PCIe port<->irq line assignments around I bet. |
| 12:45.28 | _Possum | the only thing i have was to set priority for graphic boot or something like that |
| 12:45.34 | _Possum | PCI/PCIe |
| 12:45.40 | _Possum | PCIe/Int-VGA |
| 12:45.46 | _Possum | and had few more options |
| 12:45.54 | jelly-home | what kind of crappy board is this |
| 12:45.58 | _Possum | Asus |
| 12:45.59 | _Possum | old one |
| 12:46.02 | _Possum | cheap one |
| 12:46.21 | jelly-home | why would you put a raid controller on it |
| 12:46.31 | _Possum | i dunno |
| 12:46.34 | _Possum | lol |
| 12:46.38 | tjiggi_fo | heh |
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| 12:46.41 | jelly-home | more expensive than the whole machine |
| 12:46.53 | _Possum | for sure... |
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| 12:46.57 | _Possum | well i bought it second hand |
| 12:46.59 | _Possum | on ebay |
| 12:47.09 | _Possum | so it was half the price i guess |
| 12:47.10 | _Possum | heh |
| 12:47.29 | sc_ | isn't it Opossum? |
| 12:47.45 | _Possum | could you recommend a nice setup to get? a combonation of mobo + cpu , that could fit to such a setup |
| 12:47.48 | _Possum | as a home file server |
| 12:48.00 | sc_ | budget? form factor? |
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| 12:48.27 | _Possum | well... don't have a specific budget |
| 12:48.34 | _Possum | just a nice setup that would work |
| 12:48.44 | _Possum | with this 3ware raid controller |
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| 12:51.33 | Terminus | _Possum: you need hardware that you can install a 3ware controller in? is it pcie or pci-x? for pci-x, you could get a second hand server. |
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| 12:52.55 | jelly-home | 1st gen pciexpess servers might get decommissioned by now |
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| 12:53.20 | jelly-home | Terminus: pcie, he said above |
| 12:53.43 | Terminus | jelly-home: ah... only catched the tail end. maybe i missed something on scrollback. |
| 12:54.05 | jelly-home | MSI is pcie only and we just configured that |
| 12:54.29 | PhorceP | My upgrade from squeeze to wheezy ended prematurely with this error: https://pastee.org/2gj2r which appears to be bug #685243 Is there a work-around? |
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| 12:54.46 | jelly-home | might be wrong about that |
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| 12:55.50 | effra | longshot, but maybe someone knows better than me. I have tried installing wheezy on a armhf machine, with no luck (attempt is describer here http://www.powerdeveloper.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2710&p=17378 ). Does something look terribly off? Does anyone have experience with installing debian on such machine/s? |
| 12:57.01 | babilen | judd: bug #685243 |
| 12:57.02 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/685243 in vlc-nox (closed, pending): «breaks squeeze-wheezy upgrade into very bad state»; severity: serious; opened: 2012-08-18; last modified: 2013-05-05. |
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| 12:58.20 | themill | PhorceP: I suspect you need to disable the postinst for the old vlc-nox package before you can continue |
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| 12:59.29 | PhorceP | themill: how do I do that? |
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| 13:00.38 | themill | PhorceP: do you have a /var/lib/dpkg/info/vlc-nox.postinst? |
| 13:01.01 | PhorceP | themill: yes |
| 13:01.16 | themill | PhorceP: can you pastebin it for me? |
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| 13:02.15 | PhorceP | themill: http://sprunge.us/PRdf |
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| 13:02.50 | wrksx | I try to implement multiprocessing, which seems to work great and improved my script performance. It seems that spawning 32 child process at one time gives good perfs, but I really don't know if I should try to get less process running for longer time, or more process for less time, or another strategy... Any advice would be really appreciated |
| 13:02.59 | themill | PhorceP: lovely. Just delete that file (or move it elsewhere) and then try your upgrade again |
| 13:03.16 | PhorceP | themill: thanks! |
| 13:03.21 | mumpitze1 | wrksx: how many threads do you have? |
| 13:03.34 | mumpitze1 | sorry, how many cores/threads do you have |
| 13:03.59 | wrksx | mumpitze1: I got 4 cores for 8 threads |
| 13:04.36 | wrksx | 0.5 core per thread |
| 13:04.53 | mumpitze1 | then, if the work is cpu bound, you shouldn't see any improvement above 10 processes |
| 13:05.28 | wrksx | okay, i may test it then |
| 13:05.50 | PhorceP | themill: Running it again I get this: https://pastee.org/h5uca |
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| 13:06.31 | themill | PhorceP: yep, so do what it says |
| 13:07.00 | wrksx | is the often mentioned "overhead" due to process forking is acounted as system cpu time ? |
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| 13:10.54 | wrksx | maybe my english makes no sense ? |
| 13:11.01 | Trewas | wrksx: partly, but with too many processes the cpu may just work slower due to cache thrashing etc |
| 13:11.06 | unr3al011 | hey, is somebody using a SSD powered server? maybe even with mysql andcan give me some advice? |
| 13:12.03 | wrksx | Trewas: ok then. I'll try to reduce process number |
| 13:12.52 | wrksx | atop shows this to me: DSK | sda | busy 98% | read 9 | write 1685 | avio 5 ms | |
| 13:13.36 | wrksx | I don't know how it is processed, but is the 98 % reliable ? If so, I suppose things are pretty much disk bound on my system... |
| 13:13.51 | wrksx | am I correct ? |
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| 13:14.23 | ksk | if its not 98% in just one second an lets say <10% all the other time - yes |
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| 13:14.42 | ksk | unr3al011: whats your questions? |
| 13:14.51 | ksk | s/questions/question/ |
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| 13:23.49 | ChrisH | wrksx: sda is getting a lot of IO load or this disk is failing and has not yet noticed it... this is not unusal with SMART |
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| 13:26.57 | wrksx | ChrisH: ok thanks. It is expected to get IO load since i am running a data import process.My main concern is am i really limited to 100% ? because atop says I am at 98%, and iotop reports only 2 or 3M/s of IO write, which seems pretty low |
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| 13:31.05 | ChrisH | wrksx: it simly says this disk is too busy to work in an acceptibale service time. This can be caused by a) head seak time b) not enough spindles c) failing disk d) slow controller e) ... First step would be: add more disks with a resonable Raid setup stripped over different controller. |
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| 13:32.07 | thewanderer1 | hi. if OpenVZ kernels are not available in Wheezy, what is the recommended upgrade path? I have some 20 VE's and it's unlikely that I'll be able to migrate them to another container technology (say, LXC) too quickly... |
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| 13:35.21 | Terminus | thewanderer1: stick with squeeze while you take your time migrating to lxc? |
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| 13:37.00 | _Possum | jelly home, |
| 13:37.06 | _Possum | jelly-home , |
| 13:37.12 | _Possum | well so far no errors yet... |
| 13:37.13 | thewanderer1 | Terminus, I was afraid that would be the suggestion... seems like no hope for further OpenVZ compatibility, is there? |
| 13:37.57 | ksk | thewanderer1: did you try running wheezy with the lastest openvz kernel(from openvz.org) |
| 13:38.02 | ksk | guess im going to do that |
| 13:38.09 | wrksx | ChrisH: what do you mean by "a reasonable Raid setup stripped over different controller" ? I thought Raid was just used to stay up in case of disk failure. Can you just allaborate a little bit ? ftm I've got a hardware raid 1 on 2x2To Disks. |
| 13:38.15 | ksk | and no, lxc is not compareable to openvz, there are just no tools for it |
| 13:39.21 | thewanderer1 | ksk, well, I've given lxc a test run, and perhaps it can fill my needs... one thing that I miss most is "vzctl enter" |
| 13:39.44 | ksk | if its just that i guess you can do well with lxc ;) |
| 13:40.03 | ChrisH | wrksx: use more smaller disks and put a raid0/1 combination over them to get the needed disk space. More disks (spindles) will increase overall performance. Make sure to sperate eg. redo log from data disks and similar |
| 13:40.20 | thewanderer1 | just the downtime is going to be hard... can't use 2.6.32 with LXC, can't use 3.2 with OpenVZ :P |
| 13:40.33 | mumpitze1 | thewanderer1: is the openvz stuff in the mainline kernel? |
| 13:40.48 | thewanderer1 | mumpitze1, no, but there used to be packages in Squeeze |
| 13:41.46 | somiaj | thewanderer1: http://wiki.debian.org/OpenVz, debian wheezy kernels do not come premade for OpenVZ |
| 13:41.51 | somiaj | thewanderer1: read the top about where to get a kernel |
| 13:42.16 | ksk | thewanderer1: na dont do that |
| 13:42.40 | ksk | go to openvz.org and get the latest kernel rpms. use alien to convet them. there is an article about that. and there is #openvz for specific support |
| 13:43.14 | ChrisH | wrksx: in other words, if you have the logs (physically) at the beginning of the disk and the data at the end, the disk's head will "hop" between these two locations. With 2 disks, the head can stay at this correct position. |
| 13:43.45 | thewanderer1 | hmm, what's wrong with the Wheezy-specific kernels from openvz.org? |
| 13:43.55 | ksk | there are oooooold. |
| 13:43.57 | ksk | they |
| 13:44.13 | ksk | thewanderer1: http://openvz.org/Install_kernel_from_RPM_on_Debian_6.0 |
| 13:44.54 | wrksx | ChrisH: that makes perfect sense... is raid 0/1 something particular, or did you mean raid 0 or raid 1 ? |
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| 13:45.14 | ChrisH | wrksx: raid 1 AND raid 0 |
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| 13:45.45 | wrksx | ChrisH: If I understand correctly raid can be use to "simulate" a lonely disk using multiple disks ? |
| 13:46.01 | Stameni | i have installed lxde and its all fine but my touch pad is not working, i can move a pointer over the screen but not click or double click |
| 13:46.09 | Stameni | where can i set up that ? |
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| 13:46.40 | thewanderer1 | ksk, somiaj, Terminus, thanks, much appreciated. I'll look into using the RPM releases and fallback to the packages if needed, while migrating to LXC gradually (still need to boot OpenVZ and LXC in parallel, I think) |
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| 13:47.04 | ChrisH | wrksx: yes. Raid + LVM is the toolset you want to use here. I will leave now. but I will be back in 5-6h |
| 13:47.47 | wrksx | ChrisH: just tell me what is LVM ? thanks for your help |
| 13:47.48 | ChrisH | wrksx: read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID#RAID_10 about read/write performace |
| 13:47.58 | somiaj | thewanderer1: yea seems like the kernel patches they have are all for 2.6.32 in those openvz sources. You may want to consider not using openVZ as it looks like support is dwindling |
| 13:47.59 | ChrisH | !lvm |
| 13:47.59 | dpkg | [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:48.25 | wrksx | ChrisH: thanks a lot ! |
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| 13:51.06 | ksk | somiaj: thewanderer1 openvz is based on the current rhel kernel. parallels will support it as long as they exist imho. |
| 13:51.20 | thewanderer1 | somiaj, that is already considered and approved, but one still needs a migration path, i.e. being able to boot LXC and OpenVZ on one kernel, in order to do a one-by-one migration |
| 13:51.30 | ksk | (as all their business sulotions are based on it) |
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| 13:52.16 | Thaalos | hello, isn't there any lockd for nfs under wheezy ? |
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| 13:55.45 | QuizMasterAish | hi, I updated my Debian 6 laptop using aptitude update and software manager, now my keyboard touch pad are not working at all |
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| 13:57.15 | somiaj | thewanderer1: well hopefully the rpm's work. Another suggestion is not upgrade your squeeze boxes to wheezy until you do the openVZ switch. |
| 13:57.45 | thewanderer1 | I guess some downtime is inevitable, then |
| 13:57.45 | somiaj | QuizMasterAish: what you mean updated? Did you try to upgrade to wheezy, or just doing a regular upgrade? |
| 13:58.10 | somiaj | thewanderer1: well I would try the rehl kernels first, if they do the trick more power to ya. (: |
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| 13:58.32 | thewanderer1 | somiaj, any idea if they support LXC too? i.e. if I can run the two in parallel? |
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| 13:58.40 | QuizMasterAish | somiaj: upgraded to wheezy, I saw the upgrade notification and just let it update, went out for a coffee, update wanted me to reboot and now can't use keyboard touch pad, I can attach an external mouse though |
| 13:58.59 | somiaj | QuizMasterAish: did the upgrade complete. You also failed to read teh release notes which say use apt-get over aptitude |
| 13:59.22 | QuizMasterAish | it seems keyboard works in recovery mode but network doesn't work |
| 13:59.28 | somiaj | QuizMasterAish: you may at this point (since you have no keyboard in X) ssh into your box, or boot up off a liveCD or into single user resuce mode and complete the install |
| 13:59.43 | QuizMasterAish | somiaj: I used software manager and I wasn't away it will be this big change |
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| 14:00.02 | somiaj | QuizMasterAish: it could be something with xorg, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log once you reboot into recovery (single user) and see if it gives any clue why it doesn't detect yoru keyboard |
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| 14:00.20 | somiaj | QuizMasterAish: there have been some known configurations where xorg upgrades can't autodetcte the keyboard/mouse |
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| 14:00.52 | QuizMasterAish | somiaj: give me a moment, I have rebooted that laptop into recovery mode |
| 14:00.59 | somiaj | QuizMasterAish: also do you use a custom xorg.conf file, or is it mostly empty and autodetects stuff |
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| 14:01.31 | apm1 | i day of running sid and 2 major bugs encountered :) |
| 14:01.33 | QuizMasterAish | somiaj: not sure, its almost 2+ year old installation |
| 14:01.35 | dokma | my display is getting corrupted all the time since I switched to fglrx |
| 14:01.44 | dokma | expecially when I change tabs in eclipse |
| 14:01.50 | apm1 | *i/1 |
| 14:01.52 | dokma | could it be fglrx related? |
| 14:01.59 | somiaj | apm1: sid will be extra bugy these few weeks (than normal) but yes welcome to sid |
| 14:02.44 | somiaj | apm1: I personally am avoiding upgrade my sid box for a while while the flood after a release finishes |
| 14:02.53 | Thaalos | does anybody know why I can't find any lockd under wheezy for nfs ? |
| 14:03.07 | apm1 | somiaj, how much do you intend to wait ? |
| 14:03.07 | dokma | ohhh wheezy gone stable :D |
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| 14:03.43 | somiaj | apm1: most likely until I need to upgrade, but I figure 2weeks to a month should be enough to fix the major transition/flood integration bugs. There will always be other bugs though |
| 14:03.50 | QuizMasterAish | somiaj: it says acpi virtual keyboard device |
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| 14:04.06 | QuizMasterAish | i mean in error logs |
| 14:04.19 | QuizMasterAish | xorg log |
| 14:04.53 | apm1 | somiaj, what do you exactly mean by "until i need to upgrade" what kinda issues will force you to upgrade the packages? |
| 14:05.02 | dokma | anyone got idea why this would be happening? http://david.evorion.hr/corruption.png |
| 14:05.38 | somiaj | apm1: I usually upgrade when I need to install new software, test something out |
| 14:06.04 | xzcvczx | dokma: what sort of gfx card? |
| 14:06.05 | somiaj | apm1: since I have been running my desktop as sid for 10+ years, I have everything configured and functioning as I need it now. |
| 14:06.14 | apm1 | somiaj, ok , thats much clearer :) |
| 14:06.16 | dokma | RADEON HD3450 |
| 14:06.24 | dokma | with fglrx |
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| 14:06.34 | dokma | it started when I switched to fglrx |
| 14:06.49 | apm1 | amd dropped support for your card dokma |
| 14:06.54 | somiaj | apm1: note upgrading sid rarely has it's own set of bugs that come with it that don't always get found because upgrade bugs can be different than the normal ones people who stay up to date see. |
| 14:07.17 | somiaj | dokma: yea you'll have to use a fglrx legacy package, or just use the open source radeon package |
| 14:07.18 | dokma | apm1: where did you look that up? |
| 14:07.27 | apm1 | dokma, amd's site |
| 14:08.01 | somiaj | dokma: debconf should have given you a warning, That warning telling me about droping support for my hd4250 on my laptop happened slightly before the freeze in wheezy |
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| 14:08.20 | dokma | didn't notice that |
| 14:08.24 | dokma | but non the less |
| 14:08.31 | dokma | it was a supported card |
| 14:08.42 | somiaj | dokma: you are running wheezy? |
| 14:08.45 | dokma | I don't see a reason why it would do this kind of stuff |
| 14:08.48 | dokma | no |
| 14:08.51 | dokma | still on squeeze |
| 14:08.59 | dokma | I just learned wheezy gone stable |
| 14:09.57 | QuizMasterAish | dokma: even I learned it today |
| 14:10.16 | QuizMasterAish | my keyboard touchpad are not working after update, do read the release notes before update |
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| 14:10.55 | dokma | ok |
| 14:11.09 | somiaj | dokma: are you running the version from squeeze-backports |
| 14:11.21 | somiaj | seems that the description of the package fails to mention what cards it supports, what a shame. |
| 14:11.30 | dokma | somiaj: of what? |
| 14:11.52 | somiaj | dokma: the fglrx drivers, even on squeeze you could be using backports for your kernel/xorg/fglrx |
| 14:12.26 | dokma | I downloaded fglrx directly from amd |
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| 14:12.34 | somiaj | also appears the legacy packages did not make it into wheezy, so my suggestion would be switch to radeon (make sure you isntal linux-firmware-nonfree) |
| 14:12.35 | dokma | I'll try the packaged version |
| 14:13.02 | somiaj | dokma: the package version should work in squeeze because it is before amd stoped teh support, but if you plan to upgrade to wheezy, switching to the free radeon driver would be advisable |
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| 14:13.23 | dokma | I'll do the wheezy upgrade first |
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| 14:15.59 | s0rrywhat | hi |
| 14:16.04 | QuizMasterAish | somiaj: not even network works on my laptop :( |
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| 14:22.38 | mumpitze1 | QuizMasterAish: does switching between VTs work? |
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| 14:46.37 | pan__ | is it bad to mix apt with aptitude? |
| 14:46.40 | QuizMasterAish | mumpitze1: no, keyboard doesn't work at all |
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| 14:47.20 | QuizMasterAish | I do not have spare keyboard so I can't check if external keyboard works, external mouse works well |
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| 14:48.55 | babilen | pan__: No, you should be able to switch between both without problems in recent Debian versions. |
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| 14:50.21 | lancelot_of | hi there |
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| 14:51.25 | lancelot_of | after upgrading wheezy 2 hours ago when i type man "com.." and tab for completion i'm not able anymore to get completion on command instead of an horrible: bash: man: command not found. What's going wrong?Please help |
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| 14:52.15 | lancelot_of | after upgrading wheezy 2 hours ago when i type man "com.." and tab for completion i'm not able anymore to get completion on command instead of an horrible: bash: man: command not found. What's going wrong?Please help |
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| 14:54.01 | somiaj | lancelot_of: did you fully upgraded, sounds like the man package is not installed |
| 14:54.06 | lancelot_of | ok solved, man was uninstalled |
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| 14:54.15 | lancelot_of | somiaj, yes |
| 14:54.34 | somiaj | lancelot_of: are you using 'wheezy' or 'testing' in your sources.list |
| 14:54.35 | lancelot_of | why man was uninstalled by apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 14:54.42 | QuizMasterAish | hi somiaj this helped http://superuser.com/questions/405625/debian-squeeze-keyboard-and-touchpad-not-working-detected-on-laptop |
| 14:55.06 | somiaj | lancelot_of: my guess is you are using 'testing' in your sources.list and are actually now running jessi which will be extra buggy right now |
| 14:55.08 | lancelot_of | and also less is to be removed every time? |
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| 14:55.23 | QuizMasterAish | I had a oorg.conf.bak file in /etc/x11 I renamed it and now keyboard works, touchpad is still flaky though :) |
| 14:55.25 | somiaj | lancelot_of: yea you aren't running wheezy, you are running jessi. That is a bug I've seen others have |
| 14:55.28 | lancelot_of | somiaj, wheezy becomed stable? |
| 14:55.47 | somiaj | lancelot_of: read the topic, and never use stable/testing in your sources.list, always use the offical codename |
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| 14:56.01 | somiaj | (really wish they would make apt detect the shift and warn the user before proceeding) |
| 14:56.21 | lancelot_of | oh damn....how to come back to wheezy now?? |
| 14:56.25 | QuizMasterAish | NO!!!! |
| 14:56.30 | QuizMasterAish | this is gnome 3 |
| 14:56.31 | QuizMasterAish | :( |
| 14:56.36 | QuizMasterAish | I dont want it |
| 14:56.37 | QuizMasterAish | :'( |
| 14:57.00 | mtn | QuizMasterAish: OMG!! |
| 14:57.06 | somiaj | lancelot_of: not easily |
| 14:57.14 | somiaj | lancelot_of: basically you shot yourself in the foot |
| 14:57.21 | Stameni | I have installed LXDE and then removed it with apt-get purge and some 3 MB were removed; When i type apt-get autoremove nothing is there for removal now and there should be some ~300 MB |
| 14:57.24 | somiaj | lancelot_of: you can downgrade, but it is manual and slow |
| 14:57.26 | Stameni | why ? |
| 14:57.27 | lancelot_of | but did wheezy become stable? |
| 14:57.38 | somiaj | lancelot_of: /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 14:57.39 | QuizMasterAish | mtn: I dont want a mac clone |
| 14:57.43 | somiaj | lancelot_of: read the topic as I told you to...yes |
| 14:57.49 | QuizMasterAish | I can get a mbp IF I WANT MAC |
| 14:57.58 | QuizMasterAish | OOPS CAPS KEYS ON, SORRY MY BAD |
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| 14:59.37 | lancelot_of | damn there were a lot of packages upgraded... :( |
| 14:59.38 | Stameni | lancelot_of: yes |
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| 15:00.18 | somiaj | lancelot_of: yea, you should have noticed that was an issue...again never use stable/testing in your sources.list, (: |
| 15:00.19 | QuizMasterAish | I lost FF I hope I didnt lose chrome |
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| 15:00.51 | lancelot_of | somiaj, i've changed to the official codename in sources.list |
| 15:01.05 | mumpitze1 | Stameni: uninstall sudo apt-get remove abiword abiword-common abiword-plugin-grammar abiword-plugin-mathview ace-of-penguins audacious audacious-plugins audacious-plugins-data blueman catfish chromium-browser chromium-browser-l10n chromium-codecs-ffmpeg elementary-icon-theme fonts-lyx galculator gdebi gdebi-core gecko-mediaplayer giblib1 gnome-desktop-data gnome-icon-theme-full gnome-mplayer gnome-system-tools gnome-time-admin gnumeric g |
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| 15:01.13 | mumpitze1 | sorry. very very wrong paste |
| 15:01.29 | asarch | How do you avoid some kernel modules to be loaded at boot time? |
| 15:01.46 | babilen | asarch: You can blacklist them, why do you think you have to? |
| 15:01.51 | babilen | dpkg: tell asarch about blacklist |
| 15:02.10 | apm1 | how do i tell if my box shutdown because of overheating when i was gone ? |
| 15:02.29 | mumpitze1 | Stameni: those are the ones to remove. it's not all of lxde but many I guess lxappearance lxde lxde-common lxde-core lxappearance lxde lxde-common lxde-core lxappearance lxde lxde-common lxde-core |
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| 15:02.44 | mumpitze1 | others, like xarchiver, pcmanfm are not strictyl lxde |
| 15:02.47 | apm1 | the user log and syslog files didn't have any mentions of a halt or shutdown or anything |
| 15:03.55 | mumpitze1 | they wouldn't. the mobo would cause a hard shutdown without any logs showing anything, similar to a power cut |
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| 15:04.16 | asarch | babile, I need to blacklist the Nouveau kernel module in order to install the binary blob from nVidia |
| 15:04.34 | asarch | i mean, babilen |
| 15:04.58 | nascentmind | Hi. I installed debian on an embedded board and I get a unable to determine your tty name during login and does not login. What seems to be the problem? |
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| 15:05.03 | Stameni | mumpitze1: tnx |
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| 15:05.35 | asarch | See you in a while |
| 15:05.39 | asarch | Thank you babilen |
| 15:05.46 | asarch | Thank you very much :-) |
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| 15:07.21 | cheetahw26 | I have to patch an existing old system real quick and need to install build-essential but it's been so long, can't remember if I'm using aptitude correctly... system is currently running Lenny, I added the archive sources: deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 15:07.30 | babilen | no ... asarch .. NOOO! |
| 15:07.50 | cheetahw26 | but can't seem to find build-essential at all, I just need to install some wifi drivers, which require make, gcc, etc. |
| 15:08.02 | jeltsch | Hi, I have installed wheezy on a Dell Latitude. The touchpad is not recognized as a touchpad, but as a PS/2 mouse, it seems. Any ideas on how to fix this/how to track down this problem |
| 15:08.05 | jeltsch | ? |
| 15:08.09 | cheetahw26 | I forget... do you have to run something to update sources, er... just add the text and save the file? |
| 15:08.18 | PhorceP | My upgrade from squeeze to wheezy ended prematurely with this error: https://pastee.org/4xsux which appears to be bug #659866 Is there a work-around? |
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| 15:09.32 | lancelot_of | also another question |
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| 15:09.51 | mtn | cheetahw26: apt-get update or aptitude update before installing files |
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| 15:10.43 | PigDude | where is the upgrade guide again? |
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| 15:10.52 | mumpitze1 | PhorceP: why is this a problem? those are simply warnings |
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| 15:11.57 | lancelot_of | i'm running 3.5 kernel customly compiled by me and i'd like to compile also 3.2 and 3.8 from sources. To do so i copied /boot/*config* into source tree, make oldconfig and succesfully compiled both kernels with make-kpkg with their headers. After innstalling those .deb images and headers and rebooting, both new kernels go into kernel panic at startup and cannot be loaded. Any suggestions on what's going wrong? |
| 15:11.59 | leku | hey having a weird issue... when I run "nslookup" as a normal user, it seg faults, but as root it runs fine |
| 15:12.29 | mumpitze1 | lancelot_of: did you create a initrd? |
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| 15:12.44 | PigDude | for upgrading to wheezy ... i seem to have lost the URL |
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| 15:12.54 | lancelot_of | mumpitze1, not in the make-kpkg command line.... |
| 15:12.55 | mumpitze1 | !tell PigDude about squeeze->wheezy |
| 15:13.03 | mumpitze1 | lancelot_of: now you know what you did wrong |
| 15:13.04 | cheetahw26 | thanks... knew I was missing something :)\ |
| 15:13.12 | kristijonas | hello, how prevent pulse-audio from installing? |
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| 15:13.20 | lancelot_of | mumpitze1, oh....thank you very much |
| 15:13.33 | PigDude | thanks mumpitze1 ! |
| 15:13.34 | lancelot_of | mumpitze1, so do i have to recompile and add initrd in the commad line? |
| 15:13.44 | mumpitze1 | !tell lancelot_of about kp mantra |
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| 15:13.56 | PhorceP | mumpitze1: Thanks, I am running the update again. |
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| 15:14.13 | apm1 | why doesn't my debian system got a /var/log acpid ? |
| 15:14.38 | jargon | apm1: neither does mine |
| 15:14.46 | lancelot_of | ok have a nice day to all |
| 15:15.04 | apm1 | jargon, hey i know you from #! :) |
| 15:15.14 | kristijonas | every time i install some program, pulse-audio installs, and i have a bunch of issues then |
| 15:15.19 | jargon | apm1: yep. :-) |
| 15:16.02 | apm1 | jargon, i am purty sure i left this laptop running but when i came back it had halted and powered itself off |
| 15:16.28 | Sevet | apm1: it probably logs via syslog |
| 15:16.29 | jargon | apm1: is the battery empty, maybe? |
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| 15:16.40 | apm1 | jargon, overheating |
| 15:16.46 | apm1 | it was plugged in AC |
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| 15:17.02 | jargon | apm1: aah i see |
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| 15:17.09 | apm1 | Sevet, nothing in kernel.log user.log , or syslog |
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| 15:17.14 | Sevet | apm1: ah, this is why there's no log http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=447200 |
| 15:17.25 | PigDude | if I do `aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade`, nothing needs to be done. but aptitude + g, and I see packages to be installed that i don't need .. xorg stuff, linux kernel, etc. |
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| 15:17.31 | PigDude | should I ignore this? |
| 15:17.39 | PigDude | more importantly, how did this get there? |
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| 15:18.14 | PigDude | it's telling me that gcc-4.3 is to be installed, but i already have gcc 4.4 installed, for instance |
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| 15:19.28 | apm1 | without the acpid logs i can't tell for crap what happened |
| 15:19.35 | Sevet | pigdude: what do you have in sources.list? |
| 15:20.03 | apm1 | 1 day of running non slushy sid and all hell broke loose XD |
| 15:20.06 | Sevet | apm1: the alternative appears to be running out of disk space. changelog suggests it should still log above notice level though. |
| 15:20.19 | PigDude | Sevet, right now, squeeze things: main and non-free for squeeze-updates, security, and main ftp |
| 15:20.24 | apm1 | Sevet, what alternative ? |
| 15:20.51 | PigDude | also, i've always used aptitude on my system ... am i supposed to not use aptitude anymore? will I encounter issues now that apt-get is recommended? |
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| 15:21.17 | jargon | apm1: do u have any acpi-related logging in /var/log/messages ? |
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| 15:21.54 | apm1 | jargon, nothing that says halt or shutdown or anything related |
| 15:22.23 | apm1 | however there is a nagging abt rising temps in syslog |
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| 15:22.59 | apm1 | so either this laptop didn't even give the disc enough time to write logs and went straight down |
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| 15:23.11 | apm1 | or something weird is happening |
| 15:23.13 | jargon | apm1: also try this: ls -lahtr. this shows the most recent logs last, then u can go through the ones for the time period relating to your spontatneous shutdown and grep for acpid stuff. |
| 15:23.55 | jargon | i actually aliased `ls -lathr` to `dirr` because i use that a lot. |
| 15:24.16 | mumpitze1 | PigDude: you can still use aptitude. just for upgrading it's not advised |
| 15:24.22 | PigDude | mumpitze1, thanks, good to knwo |
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| 15:24.41 | apm1 | jargon, nothing relevant there |
| 15:25.04 | mumpitze1 | apm1: when you ran sid it's all your own fault anyways :P and rising temps _shouldn't be a problem. just throttles then |
| 15:25.43 | jargon | apm1: well, the only thing left to do now is call in an exorcist, i guess. |
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| 15:26.17 | apm1 | jargon, el_k from the forums or wgreenhouse from irc ? |
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| 15:26.33 | PigDude | go go server! upgrade! :^) |
| 15:26.48 | jargon | apm1: irc |
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| 15:27.13 | apm1 | jargon, lets head there then :) |
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| 15:27.40 | jargon | apm1: already there :-) |
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| 15:29.13 | asarch | Where is the kernel source installed? Is it in /usr/src? |
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| 15:29.29 | asarch | There is only a Bzip2 tarball in that dir |
| 15:29.40 | mumpitze1 | yes |
| 15:29.55 | asarch | Do you have to manually decompressed it? |
| 15:30.00 | mumpitze1 | you notice it's a failry big tarball. around the size of a kernel source tree |
| 15:30.15 | Gerben | Hello. Maybe someone could help me here with an X problem. I have made a minimal image for thin-client usage. Until now, it only has been used to convert old PC's to thin-clients, with success. At one site it is now installed on a real HP thin-client ( "toaster" ). X falls back to VESA instead of 'chrome' which seems to be the correct driver for VIA |
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| 15:30.49 | mumpitze1 | Gerben: check your Xorg.0.log |
| 15:30.51 | Gerben | In the Xorg logs I read it has loaded the chrome driver, I can't see where and why it desides to use the vesa driver in the end |
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| 15:31.50 | Gerben | I get 1 warning: "Falling back to old probe method for fbdev" and an error "open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory" |
| 15:32.23 | Gerben | after that I only see VESA logs |
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| 15:32.39 | asarch | Do you have to manually decompress the kernel tarball? |
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| 15:33.40 | asarch | Ok, let's do it |
| 15:33.45 | mumpitze1 | asarch: if you can't decide, you should think again about compiling your own kernel |
| 15:33.54 | me-1 | hi...just install wheezy how can I view videos on websites like youtube etc..? |
| 15:34.21 | mumpitze1 | asarch: why do you want to compile your own kernel? |
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| 15:34.57 | mtn | me-1: if you want flash you need to activate non-free and install the flash plugin |
| 15:35.02 | Gerben | mumpitze1, compiling your own kernel is great for learning linux. You just have to be clear about your goal though, eg rather 'learning' than really to improve anything. |
| 15:35.14 | mumpitze1 | !tell me-1 about adobe flash |
| 15:35.26 | mumpitze1 | Gerben: that's wrong |
| 15:36.32 | Gerben | mumpitze1, was my comment about compiling kernels wrong, or my Xorg messages? |
| 15:36.47 | PigDude | I notice that /etc/default/rcS has changed .. why are defaults like TMPTIME=0 removed in the new version? are the redundant in the file? |
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| 15:45.42 | ashfaq | hi, i have upgraded to wheezy, my xorg keeps crashing or hangs regularly |
| 15:45.44 | ashfaq | any idea? |
| 15:46.04 | me-1 | hi...how can I watch videos on youtube (just installed wheezy) |
| 15:46.57 | babilen | me-1: Install flashplugin-nonfree from <contrib>, which will download the flash plugin and install it. Alternatively use HTML5 and a suitable browser. |
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| 15:47.15 | babilen | ashfaq: Anything interesting in /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old ? Which GPU do you use and which driver? |
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| 15:48.37 | ashfaq | Im using the intel HD grafics, inbuilt gpu |
| 15:49.04 | ashfaq | will check the logs next time it hangs |
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| 15:50.53 | babilen | ashfaq: You should have the old logs in /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old -- Could you paste them to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 15:51.31 | karatekid | anyone know where i can find squeeze download? it's not on the distrib/archive page yet |
| 15:51.48 | ashfaq | babilen : okay, will do that |
| 15:52.22 | mumpitze1 | Gerben: about the kernel. no clue about your logs since you didn't give enough meaningful info anyways |
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| 15:53.55 | ashfaq | babilen: pasted. |
| 15:53.58 | Gerben | mumpitze1, ok, I disagree but that's not that important. What info do you need? |
| 15:54.10 | ashfaq | http://paste.debian.net/2687/ |
| 15:54.12 | PigDude | awesome, except for having to reinstall some python libraries for 2.7 that debian wasn't managing, perfect upgrade |
| 15:54.17 | PigDude | great work! |
| 15:55.02 | mumpitze1 | Gerben: we need logs |
| 15:55.12 | Gerben | ok, I'll pastebin the xorg log |
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| 15:56.22 | karatekid | nevermind, found it: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/debian-installer |
| 15:56.32 | babilen | ashfaq: That looks fine (unfortunately?) |
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| 15:57.26 | me-1 | babilen, thank you I installed flash plugin its working fine . now please tell me why my PC is running gnome 3 in fallback mode..? |
| 15:57.29 | Gerben | mumpitze1, http://paste.debian.net/2690/ |
| 15:57.31 | karatekid | nevermind x 2: all the links on that page are broken :) |
| 15:57.52 | Gerben | I think the driver is outdated. This: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=679287 looks like my problem |
| 15:58.01 | ashfaq | babilen: let me know where i can get the logs, when it has frozen, that would help i guess |
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| 15:59.37 | babilen | me-1: Most likely because you do not have hardware acceleration for your GPU -- Which graphic card do you have? |
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| 16:00.21 | babilen | ashfaq: It might help if you could get the output of "dmesg" but it is not always possible to get hold of that if the system *really* froze |
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| 16:01.31 | me-1 | babilen, this is my hardware http://paste.debian.net/2694/ |
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| 16:03.22 | babilen | me-1: Could you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
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| 16:04.39 | ashfaq | babilen: the graphics freeze, i am still able to get into tty consoles. |
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| 16:05.28 | babilen | ashfaq: Okay, that is good -- Can you reproduce that? If so the procedure in http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/XserverDebugging would be helpful along with yoru Xorg.0.log(old) |
| 16:05.43 | babilen | I'd also recommend to check the output of "dmesg" when it happens. |
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| 16:08.12 | mumpitze1 | Gerben: try both, via and opencrhome via xorg.conf maybe? |
| 16:08.27 | mumpitze1 | e.g. force X to use them |
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| 16:10.13 | apm1 | the sid updates today broke ifupdown |
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| 16:10.32 | apm1 | it refused to even install with the upgrade |
| 16:10.37 | apm1 | so i ahd to purge it |
| 16:10.40 | apm1 | *had |
| 16:10.59 | apm1 | not complaining just make folks aware |
| 16:11.02 | babilen | apm1: Those issues have already been solved -- And this is rather a topic for #debian-next on irc.oftc.net than #debian |
| 16:11.07 | apm1 | *making |
| 16:11.10 | ashfaq | babilen: will keep it in mind, thanks :) |
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| 16:11.22 | Gerben | mumpitze1, I have compiled the latest openchrome drivers on another Debian box and copied that, now it at least goes somewhat further. It complains about "No outputs definitely connected" and then "Initial configuration failed" and then it segfaults in the openchrome driver |
| 16:11.32 | apm1 | babilen, oh thanks :) |
| 16:11.55 | babilen | openchrome? I still have nightmares from the last time I tried to support a user with that :( |
| 16:12.15 | Gerben | the driver or the browser ? :) |
| 16:12.22 | mumpitze1 | babilen: amen :) |
| 16:12.22 | wrksx | Should I use "sudo restart apache2" to be able to restart apache or is their any pre-existing group that could allow me to remove the sudo before the command ? |
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| 16:12.48 | Gerben | The output mentions the model of the thinclient I'm working on, at least I know that now |
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| 16:12.57 | wrksx | something like a daemon manager group |
| 16:12.58 | babilen | Gerben: the driver |
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| 16:13.11 | mumpitze1 | wrksx: you must use sudo cause only root can attach to a low port like port 80 |
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| 16:14.00 | chrisirc | Is there a Gnome 2 for Wheezy? |
| 16:14.02 | wrksx | mumpitze1: ok thanks ! |
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| 16:14.47 | chrisirc | I'm trying to migrate to Xfce, but there are so many issues to solve with it... |
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| 16:15.18 | wrksx | mumpitze1: btw, I know some other distrib has a command call "service" to use like "service apache start", does that exist on debian, or can I stick with init.d/ ? |
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| 16:15.44 | reavengrey | I'm french... |
| 16:15.58 | jc2154 | hello, has anyone got ejabberd working s2s with gmail.com over tls? It works for me with other servers but seems like gmail.com doesn't support tls ? |
| 16:16.17 | chrisirc | Probably I just need the panel and metacity. Maybe those would need to be adapted to run Gnome 3 applets, dunno. |
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| 16:24.05 | mumpitze1 | wrksx: man 8 service |
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| 16:24.58 | afsal | i installed debian wheezy, which is wheezy's backport and how to improve source.list |
| 16:25.43 | wrksx | mumpitze1: so to your opinion, which one is better ? |
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| 16:26.44 | mumpitze1 | doesn't matter imho |
| 16:26.48 | afsal | pls giv some extra repos for wheezy |
| 16:27.08 | mumpitze1 | !tell afsal about sources.list |
| 16:27.21 | ksuhku | afsal, dodgy.stuff.haxorz.biz |
| 16:28.06 | ksuhku | also honeypot.fbi.gov |
| 16:28.09 | wrksx | mumpitze1: ok thanks for your answers =) |
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| 16:43.58 | jessie | Okay, upgraded to Wheezy and my SASL auth'd postfix stuff quit working. |
| 16:44.03 | FrantiK | hi; just had a quick question : had this dev server in wheezy, can i theorically change its sources.list entries from testing to stable and expect it to run the upgrade without issues ? (last update 1-2 weeks ago) |
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| 16:44.39 | jessie | FrantiK: Going from Wheezy -> stable shouldn't need any updates at all. Stable is (right now) an alias for Wheezy. |
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| 16:46.11 | FrantiK | jessie, no shit sherlock.. |
| 16:46.35 | FrantiK | (why do you think i asked the question..) |
| 16:46.54 | jelly-home | FrantiK: don't change to stable, change to "wheezy" |
| 16:47.03 | jessie | FrantiK: If it's just changing the name, then it will be fine. It won't have any packages to update and will continue to run just as it is right now. |
| 16:47.05 | apm1 | FrantiK, it should be smooth sailing imho |
| 16:47.09 | FrantiK | i was running wheezy prior to its switch to stable |
| 16:47.13 | apm1 | speaking from experience |
| 16:47.15 | rantic | I must say I tried literally 30+ distributions trying to find a fit over the last year or so .. wiping my hard drive, creating bootable usb sticks etc. Debian 7 has easily been the nicest, hassle free experience I've ever had with a distribution. |
| 16:47.17 | FrantiK | that's why i ask |
| 16:47.23 | rantic | Absolute breath of fresh air |
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| 16:47.56 | FrantiK | (in case anything did broke at the core and need a last minute patch) |
| 16:48.14 | jelly-home | rantic: eh, installers you use once -- it's the result that's important |
| 16:48.26 | FrantiK | to be more accurate : i was in a "testing" env |
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| 16:48.43 | rantic | jelly-home: I don't just mean the installer ... I mean the entire experience. Even the default set of packages I thoroughly enjoy. |
| 16:48.49 | jelly-home | FrantiK: it is safe to switch to wheezy from that |
| 16:48.56 | FrantiK | k |
| 16:49.04 | jessie | Anybody got any thoughts on my SASL problems? |
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| 16:49.07 | jelly-home | gives rantic *thumbs up* |
| 16:49.20 | codekK | Hi all i have a question of debian. I have installed wheezy (stable now) on my laptop and i have a question. What is the best way to get the newest software? Use wheezy+backports, use unstable or other way??? |
| 16:49.32 | FrantiK | jessie, since i wasnt there, any log ? |
| 16:49.39 | chiel | hello all. just wondering if anyone knows a good way to mount a webdav on debian? i'm on squeeze |
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| 16:50.06 | _Possum | jelly-home , could you recommend a nice stable setup of mboard + cpu for my 3ware controller |
| 16:50.10 | _Possum | as file home server? |
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| 16:50.29 | Igloo | Hi all |
| 16:50.42 | jelly-home | jessie: you'll have to say what exactly fails to work, how it fails to work, mail logs for one case when it fails to work, and your configuration (postconf -n for a start) |
| 16:50.49 | jessie | FrantiK: May 7 10:50:34 nova postfix/smtpd[17579]: warning: unknown[198.217.127.137]: SASL PLAIN authentication failed: generic failure |
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| 16:51.11 | jelly-home | _Possum: I couldn't, wrong person to ask about hardware. Try the ##hardware channel |
| 16:51.19 | jessie | However, I think my problems occurs way before that. Running testsaslauth as root just gets a permission denied error. |
| 16:51.22 | FrantiK | jessie, anything in the syslog ? |
| 16:51.25 | Igloo | Hi all I don't make an EFI boot partition, but I don't see it mentioned in the installation manual. What goes in it? How do Iknow how big I should make it? |
| 16:51.42 | FrantiK | (or other /var/log/ logs) |
| 16:51.43 | Igloo | Gah, sorry, I mangled that |
| 16:52.04 | jessie | FrantiK: Same error, nothing else mentioned in any other logs I can see. |
| 16:52.10 | Igloo | The Debian installer warns me if I don't make an EFI boot partition, but I don't see it mentioned in the installation manual. What goes in it? How do Iknow how big I should make it? |
| 16:52.30 | FrantiK | nothing else provided along the error ? |
| 16:52.48 | FrantiK | (such as for example warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such file or directory |
| 16:52.48 | FrantiK | ) |
| 16:53.15 | jessie | FrantiK: nope, just that. |
| 16:53.42 | jessie | ps aux | grep saslauthd shows they're running. |
| 16:53.57 | jelly-home | jessie: it seems you're trying to use SMTP AUTH over port 25 instead of port 587, is that right? |
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| 16:54.05 | FrantiK | yeah sure, but i mean you should have more info in the logs |
| 16:54.16 | FrantiK | a one-liner like that is weird |
| 16:54.20 | jessie | FrantiK: http://pastebin.com/XTW3GEdm That's the whole connection log. |
| 16:54.29 | jessie | Or, for that connection, that's the log. |
| 16:54.49 | jessie | jelly-home: I'm trying to do a PLAIN style auth on any port. |
| 16:54.59 | FrantiK | jessie, thats from mail.log ? |
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| 16:55.10 | jessie | FrantiK: Yes, that's correct. |
| 16:55.17 | jelly-home | jessie: should use port 587, the submission port, only, in any case |
| 16:55.41 | FrantiK | i'm thinking a 3rd party lib isnt properly setup |
| 16:55.51 | FrantiK | or up to date |
| 16:56.10 | chiel | so i found two solutions to mount webdav as a filesystem (i just want to be able to access it with vim) and i found two: fusedav and davfs2... does anybody have any experience with either of these, and would maybe want to share their experiences? |
| 16:56.19 | jessie | FrantiK: I found this guy: http://etbe.coker.com.au/2012/06/20/sasl-authentication-wheezy/ |
| 16:56.37 | jessie | I've tried those things, and have had a change in behavior. Still doesn't work, but I get different behavior than I did before. |
| 16:56.43 | FrantiK | jessie, what happens when you try to emulate an auth pass trough telnet ? |
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| 16:57.15 | FrantiK | (and hmm, no mysql log either ?) |
| 16:57.55 | codekK | Hi all i have a question of debian. I have installed wheezy (stable now) on my laptop and i have a question. What is the best way to get the newest software? Use wheezy+backports, use unstable or other way??? |
| 16:58.14 | FrantiK | hmmm |
| 16:58.22 | FrantiK | jessie, http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61720 |
| 16:58.29 | mumpitze1 | codekK: wheezy+backports. if you really must, you can create your own backports from unstable but don't do it too often |
| 16:58.35 | mumpitze1 | !tell codekK about sbb |
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| 16:58.40 | mumpitze1 | !tell codekK about ssb |
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| 16:59.20 | Carlitos__ | hi all |
| 16:59.35 | Towzzer | carlitos way |
| 16:59.39 | Carlitos__ | my cdrom can access, and the icon of the cdrom is gone |
| 16:59.41 | jessie | FrantiK: I've taken care of that. And the testsaslauthd part doesn't work. |
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| 16:59.47 | Carlitos__ | can not access* |
| 16:59.56 | Carlitos__ | hi Towzzer |
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| 17:02.11 | FrantiK | jessie, doesnt work as "command not found" ? |
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| 17:02.36 | Towzzer | carlitos, try mount /dev/cdrom /cdrom |
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| 17:03.12 | jessie | FrantiK: http://pastebin.com/9NmDKaR4 |
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| 17:04.14 | FrantiK | so even now that your sasl is running it doesnt work, right ? |
| 17:04.38 | thomaschaaf | That moment when you upgrade von squeeze to wheezy (XEN) and it doesn't boot anymore :'( |
| 17:04.39 | jessie | Yes. |
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| 17:04.43 | Carlitos__ | jessie, there is not /dev/cdrom |
| 17:05.07 | FrantiK | i guess you checked mysql ? |
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| 17:05.22 | Carlitos__ | /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
| 17:05.27 | FrantiK | (that it's running and sasl can access it) |
| 17:05.28 | Carlitos__ | my fstab is wrong ? |
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| 17:05.59 | jessie | Yeah, mysql is running and the username & password still seems to be valid. |
| 17:06.18 | FrantiK | so it basically cant connect trough the socket ... |
| 17:06.54 | jessie | That's what it seems like. And I have looked at permissions on the socket. They seem right, but I can't access it even as root. |
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| 17:07.34 | FrantiK | if you got data backups i'd force a purge of the faulty install and try a default one.. |
| 17:07.48 | FrantiK | apt-get remove --purge <package> |
| 17:08.00 | FrantiK | i must urge you to not do this if you dont have backups |
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| 17:08.20 | jessie | Oh, I have backups. Migrated this host from a failed system no less than 2 weeks ago. :-/ |
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| 17:08.59 | FrantiK | the only other way to help would be to login to your shell right now as i am out of options :/ |
| 17:09.14 | jelly-home | jessie: does fuser or lsof confirm the relevant socket is really opened by the right daemon? |
| 17:09.21 | n-iCe | hi |
| 17:09.55 | FrantiK | hmmm and also in addition to jelly-home ... try purging /tmp |
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| 17:10.04 | jelly-home | FrantiK: that sounds so random |
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| 17:10.12 | jessie | jelly-home: Yes, lsof tells me it is saslauthd using it. |
| 17:10.20 | jelly-home | FrantiK: much like the purge suggestion |
| 17:10.30 | jelly-home | if anything, restart the service first |
| 17:10.39 | FrantiK | sockets are often stored in /tmp |
| 17:10.46 | FrantiK | could be a duplicate unix socket |
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| 17:11.11 | FrantiK | the --purge can remove erroneous permissions that a --reinstall cant fix |
| 17:11.19 | FrantiK | (rare cases tho, i'll agree) |
| 17:11.22 | jelly-home | FrantiK: no service in Debian stores the socket in /tmp (well, apart from X server) |
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| 17:11.26 | jessie | All right, trying the --purge now. |
| 17:11.42 | FrantiK | jessie, --purge will clean the package out of the system |
| 17:12.11 | jelly-home | doubts purging sasl2-bin will solve much |
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| 17:13.20 | jessie | FrantiK: Yes, I am aware of the sketchiness of --purge. Probably I have a configuration problem somewhere I've missed. |
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| 17:14.25 | jessie | And now it's installing exim to replace postfix. Bah |
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| 17:15.22 | chrisirc | Hm, both gnome-screensaver and xscreensaver are broken for me in that they don't let me login from the lock screen. |
| 17:15.51 | chrisirc | This has been during Squeeze already, now it's still the case in Wheezy. |
| 17:16.00 | chrisirc | And this is across several computers. |
| 17:16.12 | chrisirc | How is this possible and nobody else reporting this? |
| 17:16.19 | rantic | chrisirc: I haven't had that issue? |
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| 17:16.32 | chrisirc | Yeah, that's what I suspect, but I just don't understand why. |
| 17:16.39 | jelly-home | chrisirc: they use some other way to log in that doesn't leave certain session properties broken |
| 17:16.59 | rantic | chrisirc: I installed my system with the netinstaller + the desktop environment suite of packages, maybe you've forgotten something? |
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| 17:17.11 | chrisirc | The latest case is a fresh install of Squeeze, it was broken. dist-upgrade to wheezy, still broken. I'm not aware I did anything special that could break logins. |
| 17:17.31 | jelly-home | tries to lock his screen |
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| 17:17.56 | chrisirc | Hm, I did remove some packages from the desktop environment that I didn't need. |
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| 17:18.15 | chrisirc | What could it be. And why wouldn't the screen savers depend on it. |
| 17:18.20 | jelly-home | any consolekit stuff? |
| 17:18.34 | chrisirc | consolekit is installed. |
| 17:18.39 | vaillor | https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/255694_508773045838245_1422723756_n.jpg |
| 17:19.03 | jelly-home | chrisirc: do you have a log what got removed? |
| 17:19.09 | FrantiK | jessie, its either a config or a 3rd party or a permission issue |
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| 17:19.27 | chrisirc | Doesn't apt or dpkg log stuff nowadays? |
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| 17:19.45 | Sevet_ | chrisirc: switch to a terminal, login and check /var/log/auth.log |
| 17:19.47 | jelly-home | chrisirc: they do. Do you have the logs? |
| 17:19.49 | chrisirc | looking at /var/log/apt/history.log |
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| 17:20.07 | chrisirc | hm that's only recent, I guess that file is a wheezy feature. |
| 17:20.32 | apm1 | i recall apt logs in squeeze as well |
| 17:20.33 | Sevet_ | could also be a permission problem http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=663227, there might be a clue in that file |
| 17:21.05 | chrisirc | pam_unix(xscreensaver:auth): conversation failed |
| 17:21.11 | chrisirc | pam_unix(xscreensaver:auth): auth could not identify password for [chris] |
| 17:21.26 | chrisirc | That's what's in auth.log |
| 17:21.44 | Sevet_ | also define 'they don't let me login from the lock screen' - don't get a prompt? says password is wrong? accepts password but nothing happens? something else? |
| 17:21.48 | chrisirc | When I was using gnome-screensaver in Squeeze, I hit the button to switch users, that would let me log in. |
| 17:21.54 | abrotman | chrisirc: /var/log/aptitude or /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 17:22.23 | chrisirc | xscreensaver is worse because even though it does have the same button, it will still ask for the credentials when coming back from the switching. |
| 17:24.11 | Sevet_ | chrisirc: what does 'ls -l /etc/shadow' show? |
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| 17:25.01 | jessie | FrantiK: Progress has been made: May 7 11:24:42 nova postfix/smtpd[10292]: warning: unknown[198.217.127.137]: SASL PLAIN authentication failed: no mechanism available |
| 17:25.11 | chrisirc | Here's what grep ' remove ' gave me before the upgrade to Wheezy: http://paste.debian.net/2720/ |
| 17:25.44 | FrantiK | jessie, indeed better |
| 17:26.12 | chrisirc | Sevet_, -rw-r----- 1 root root 1654 2013-05-06 14:29 /etc/shadow |
| 17:26.24 | chrisirc | hmm, broken group! |
| 17:26.36 | FrantiK | what the |
| 17:26.39 | chrisirc | gosh how comes. |
| 17:26.40 | FrantiK | o_0 |
| 17:26.47 | Sevet_ | looks the same as that bug ticket, try 'chgrp shadow /etc/shadow' |
| 17:26.54 | chrisirc | yep trying |
| 17:27.18 | chrisirc | Yep, login works now. Man! |
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| 17:27.52 | chrisirc | Another case of "please, report *what* fails to me, please!". |
| 17:28.05 | chrisirc | But thanks all! |
| 17:28.09 | FrantiK | jessie, get the sasl modules :) |
| 17:28.28 | FrantiK | chrisirc, in doubt : ls -altr |
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| 17:29.37 | jc2154 | hello, anyone got TLS-enabled S2S connections to gmail.com working? Works for me for other servers but not gmail. I got a proper SSL certificate (geotrust). |
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| 17:30.11 | jelly-home | jessie: from what I remember, that means something's unconfigured |
| 17:30.21 | Gerben | mumpitze1, I got it working.. I now use a somewhat older driver which has the same bug as the latest driver, but has a better workaround, source: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/openchrome-users/2012-October/007010.html |
| 17:31.18 | anddam | has anyone experience with mailsync? while using diff on a channel and a gmail store I get a log of "Authorizing against {wi-in-x10.1e100.net/imap}" |
| 17:31.25 | Gerben | Not physically near the machine ( 150KM away.. ), but xrandr returns Screen 0: minimum 640 x 400, current 1600 x 900, maximum 1600 x 900. So I expect it to be OK. |
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| 17:31.54 | anddam | this happens with a non-gmail IMAP server too. I'm not sure if it's a bug or diff between remote store and channel isn't supported by mailsync |
| 17:32.00 | anddam | this is mailsync package from 7.0 |
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| 17:32.13 | suhaib | !help |
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| 17:33.01 | jessie | Okay, after following http://etbe.coker.com.au/2012/06/20/sasl-authentication-wheezy/ I get: |
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| 17:33.07 | jessie | May 7 11:32:42 nova postfix/smtpd[16957]: warning: unknown[198.217.127.137]: SASL PLAIN authentication failed: authentication failure |
| 17:33.29 | suhaib | Why do we have 3 different dvds ? debian-7.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso & debian-7.0.0-amd64-DVD-2.iso ? |
| 17:33.47 | jessie | Oh, it worked! |
| 17:33.52 | Terminus | suhaib: because all the packages won't fit on one dvd. |
| 17:33.54 | jessie | Had to add the %r too. |
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| 17:34.09 | suhaib | Terminus: lol, I hope you are not joking :-s |
| 17:34.30 | Terminus | suhaib: typically, you'll only need CD 1. i don't even bother with CD 1. i just use the net install cd. |
| 17:34.32 | mumpitze1 | Gerben: so as always: the chrome driver is shit and awfully buggy? |
| 17:34.49 | Terminus | suhaib: no, i'm not joking. debian has a LOT of packages. |
| 17:35.24 | mumpitze1 | Terminus: I think DDs are paid by the amount of packages debian has. only explanation that makes sense |
| 17:35.39 | suhaib | Terminus: oh I see, I look at it from Ubuntu prespictive. I am a Ubuntu user and having many cds is somehow confusing :-p |
| 17:36.23 | FrantiK | suhaib, unless you got hd-dvd at disposal.... hard to do it the otherway |
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| 17:36.31 | FrantiK | (also it's not cd's damnit !) |
| 17:36.55 | Sevet_ | suhaib: the first disk has the most important files on. CD-1 isn't quite enough for a desktop install but is for headless. DVD-1 should be. the other disks use less used packages so are more optional |
| 17:37.07 | Sevet_ | suhaib: any of them can pull in any packages they don't have from the internet |
| 17:37.33 | Terminus | apparently, all of debian fits on a dual layer bluray --> http://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/Linux/debian-cd/7.0.0/amd64/jigdo-dlbd/ |
| 17:37.34 | Gerben | mumpitze1, yep |
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| 17:37.42 | Sevet_ | suhaib: unless you're installing multiple computers, netinst will be the quickest way to get up and running. small download, and then only downloads the packages you're actually installing |
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| 17:37.58 | Terminus | mumpitze1: or just a lot of contributors. =) |
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| 17:38.33 | Terminus | for a single layer bluray, all of debian requires two discs... |
| 17:38.34 | jessie | FrantiK: Wahoo! We're back up and running. :-) |
| 17:38.38 | FrantiK | and if you're going to install somewhere without internet or blu ray (let's say africa classroom) then you choose the practical choices |
| 17:38.43 | FrantiK | jessie, :) |
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| 17:38.52 | suhaib | Sevet_: Ya that seems the fastest solution. I think the purpose of having 3 Dvds is for PCs with no internet |
| 17:38.59 | Sevet_ | yep |
| 17:39.35 | FrantiK | suhaib, also applies to places with strict network restrictions. |
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| 17:40.05 | Terminus | Sevet_: things have changed over the years if CD-1 isn't quite enough for a desktop install anymore. |
| 17:40.07 | suhaib | FrantiK: aha, good idea supplying the pcakages in Dvds |
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| 17:40.33 | jessie | FrantiK: Thank you very much for the help. I appreciate it guys. |
| 17:40.41 | peterrooney | Terminus: it's enough, but pretty moch nobody WANTS dmii |
| 17:40.44 | FrantiK | np jessie |
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| 17:41.08 | peterrooney | s/moch/much/ |
| 17:42.10 | FrantiK | Terminus, generations of debian sysops are haunted with desktop installs |
| 17:42.26 | FrantiK | (ok, at least one) |
| 17:42.32 | Terminus | peterrooney: i remember gnome being on CD-1 a long time ago. |
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| 17:42.51 | FrantiK | Terminus, not so far ago, 2006-2008 |
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| 17:43.08 | _BJFreeman | have bebian 7 on a allwinners chip, having trouble installing Tomcat6, is did not create all the folders, apt-get remove and install did not work |
| 17:43.09 | Terminus | FrantiK: which is at least 5 years ago. time flies. |
| 17:43.19 | jelly-home | FrantiK: and the practical choice is NOT dvds, but well isolated USB sticks. |
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| 17:43.58 | FrantiK | jelly-home, untill the day will come you get across a laptop that has loosy usb boot standards and you'll be screwed |
| 17:44.00 | FrantiK | :D |
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| 17:44.33 | Terminus | in any case, the last version i remember installing from CD-1 was woody. then i moved to network installs off floppy disks. |
| 17:44.35 | jelly-home | FrantiK: yeah, I'll go back to 2001. |
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| 17:45.00 | FrantiK | jelly-home, happened last week there with a brand new hp laptop.. |
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| 17:45.27 | anddam | _BJFreeman: kudos for the allwinner |
| 17:46.34 | FrantiK | cya guys, got code on fire and i need to stop slacking. |
| 17:46.34 | _BJFreeman | has anybody had trouble with TomCat6 install? |
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| 17:48.17 | Sevet_ | Terminus: perhaps it does, i remember reading a comment recently that it didn't quite any longer in Wheezy but that may not be the case now |
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| 17:51.23 | Sevet_ | Terminus: found it, the reason given for switching from gnome to xfce by default (before switching back before release) was that gnome3 was too large to fit on CD-1 |
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| 18:01.53 | msn | i am trying to change some default debian boot options cant figure out how though. |
| 18:02.15 | msn | 1. make ALT+F4 act as logout instead of window clos |
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| 18:02.36 | msn | 2. disable Ctrl+Alt combination so tty1-6 is not accessible |
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| 18:02.45 | msn | 3. Move X from tty7 to tty1 |
| 18:03.12 | Stameni | funny, debian with gnome3 runs faster at my 1.6 GHz celeron machine then on other AMD 6 core phenom2 machine |
| 18:03.25 | nkuttler | msn: do you want something like a kiosk mode? |
| 18:03.34 | msn | yes nkuttler i have everything else done |
| 18:03.47 | msn | minimum install browser is starting with right page |
| 18:03.52 | nkuttler | !kiosk |
| 18:03.53 | dpkg | i guess kiosk is /bin/su -c "/usr/bin/X11/startx" - kiosk (/usr/sbin/kiosk); kk:2345:respawn:/usr/sbin/kiosk (/etc/inittab); telinit q, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/webkiosk/ |
| 18:04.40 | nkuttler | msn: see also /etc/inittab |
| 18:04.52 | nkuttler | alt+f4 sounds is wm territory |
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| 18:04.56 | msn | right now i am looking at it actually. |
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| 18:05.16 | nkuttler | msn: see the getty lines |
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| 18:05.26 | lono | hello |
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| 18:05.56 | lono | anyone here who knows sth bout Virtualbox Headless? |
| 18:06.00 | Carlinhos | i'm getting the following error when i try to install clementine: http://paste.debian.net/2724/ apparently the portuguese mirrors are not working? should i use something else? |
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| 18:06.08 | nkuttler | !tell lono about ask |
| 18:06.14 | msn | nkuttler: i have them all disabled. so there is no shell popping, but i am trying to be a little more crafty and elimitnate the option or chance of pressing Ctrl+alt and having something happen |
| 18:07.38 | lono | what do I have to know bout asking? |
| 18:07.57 | msn | lono: nothing just ask dont ask about asking |
| 18:08.03 | nkuttler | msn: xorg conf DontVTSwitch |
| 18:08.14 | msn | thanks |
| 18:08.17 | funnybunny | lono: don't ask to ask? |
| 18:08.38 | nkuttler | lono: the bot sent you a msg. just ask your real question |
| 18:08.52 | lono | i see |
| 18:08.53 | lono | ;0 |
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| 18:10.04 | Terminus | Sevet_: ah well. that's understandable. |
| 18:10.23 | lono | does anyone has experiance with VirtualBox in HeadlessMode? |
| 18:10.34 | lono | experience |
| 18:11.11 | msn | lono : wrong question again |
| 18:11.19 | Getty | nkuttler: yeah i know my quotes are famous ;) |
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| 18:12.29 | nkuttler | lono: yes/no. next question? |
| 18:13.06 | lono | how can I fix "<inaccessible>" {2e80ba20-e0de-499c-9ca4-039878024a2d} |
| 18:13.16 | lono | shwon with VBoxMange list vms |
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| 18:14.51 | msn | lono: running that command as root or as user? |
| 18:15.03 | lono | root |
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| 18:15.51 | msn | is the VM present in directory? the VM files might be deleted from CLI without removing it from Virtualbox interface |
| 18:16.00 | superlinux-hp | hi. i have bizarre problem. nslookup is not resolving the domains, while dig is resolving. resolv.conf exists and it has the correct values. what's happening here? |
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| 18:16.03 | msn | so it has a record of the VM but no files to verify |
| 18:16.20 | lono | files are present, yes |
| 18:16.43 | nkuttler | msn: there's some xml file in the virtualbox config dir iirc with paths to those files, verify them |
| 18:16.48 | nkuttler | lono: ^^ |
| 18:16.49 | lono | I have no Interface |
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| 18:18.11 | lono | VBoxManage: error: Could not find a registered machine named |
| 18:18.14 | superlinux-hp | hi. i have bizarre problem. /nslookup/ is not resolving the domains, while /dig/ is resolving. resolv.conf exists and it has the correct values. what's happening here? |
| 18:18.27 | nkuttler | lono: please use a pastebin |
| 18:18.35 | msn | we read it the first time Supaplex |
| 18:18.46 | msn | superlinux-hp i meant |
| 18:19.00 | superlinux-hp | msn, a typo sorry. |
| 18:19.21 | superlinux-hp | i wanted to paste it to ##networking |
| 18:19.38 | msn | superlinux-hp: if you do just nslookup and on nslookup prompt did server what does it say? |
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| 18:20.32 | superlinux-hp | msn, this is what i did : nslookup www.yahoo.com . got no answer |
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| 18:21.12 | superlinux-hp | when i do : nslookup www.yahoo.com $DNS_server_IP => i get results |
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| 18:21.25 | msn | superlinux-hp: just run nslookup at prompt without any arguments it will give you a prompt and do >server on it |
| 18:21.43 | superlinux-hp | msn ok |
| 18:22.37 | superlinux-hp | msn they are the ones in resolv.conf |
| 18:23.00 | superlinux-hp | but i have two default servers |
| 18:23.04 | jhutchins_wk | superlinux-hp: Does host work? |
| 18:23.15 | superlinux-hp | there should be one! |
| 18:23.26 | superlinux-hp | and the other is a secondary |
| 18:23.47 | jhutchins_wk | superlinux-hp: Does ping work? |
| 18:24.08 | pan__ | does anyone know where dropbox puts its source? I can not find it in sources.list or sources.list.d |
| 18:24.38 | superlinux-hp | jhutchins_wk, just a min. testing ping now |
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| 18:25.13 | superlinux-hp | jhutchins_wk, ping is working but is taking ages |
| 18:25.28 | vt0r | pan_: mine is in /etc/sources.list.d/dropbox.list |
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| 18:26.35 | jhutchins_wk | superlinux-hp: This could be an ipv6 issue, but please see http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jonathan.deboynepollard/FGA/nslookup-flaws.html |
| 18:26.45 | superlinux-hp | ok |
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| 18:26.56 | jhutchins_wk | superlinux-hp: Is ipv6 enabled? |
| 18:27.12 | jhutchins_wk | !noipv6 |
| 18:27.12 | dpkg | From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 18:27.20 | superlinux-hp | jhutchins_wk, last time i remeber i set it off in sysctrl |
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| 18:27.56 | jhutchins_wk | It could be that your primary is timing out. You can investigate that further with dig. |
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| 18:28.04 | Kernel_Core | any iptables guy here ? |
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| 18:28.27 | superlinux-hp | jhutchins_wk, i set my primary as google's 8.8.8.8 |
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| 18:29.02 | ompaul | Kernel_Core: ask your real question and people will answer if they know what the answer is - one person's beginner is another's expert |
| 18:29.24 | superlinux-hp | i don't my isp's because it does not resolve well |
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| 18:29.46 | pupil | ompaul: "one person's beginner is another's expert" i like this :) |
| 18:30.02 | superlinux-hp | now it's working! |
| 18:30.15 | superlinux-hp | jhutchins_wk, yes! it's a timeout |
| 18:31.19 | HelenaKitty | I can't seem to get sftp to work. |
| 18:31.24 | ompaul | pupil: :) |
| 18:31.24 | HelenaKitty | There are no errors. |
| 18:31.34 | HelenaKitty | lemme show you my sshd_config file. |
| 18:31.43 | ompaul | HelenaKitty: can you ssh to the box? |
| 18:31.49 | HelenaKitty | ompaul, yep |
| 18:32.08 | ompaul | then sftp user@box same as ssh user@box will work |
| 18:32.16 | HelenaKitty | I know, right? |
| 18:32.19 | HelenaKitty | but it's not working! |
| 18:32.33 | Sevet_ | !t Kernel_Core ask |
| 18:32.54 | Sevet_ | !tell Kernel_Core ask |
| 18:33.03 | ompaul | Sevet_: were you in the day they thought telepathy? I wasn't ;-) |
| 18:33.03 | HelenaKitty | ompaul, http://pastebin.com/KmDrmz2E |
| 18:33.23 | Kernel_Core | how to I change src port of a UDP Packet to a random SRC port before leave the box with iptables ? |
| 18:33.29 | HelenaKitty | ... |
| 18:33.31 | HelenaKitty | no wonder |
| 18:33.37 | HelenaKitty | I forgot I use non-standard port |
| 18:33.38 | HelenaKitty | nvm |
| 18:33.39 | HelenaKitty | :/ |
| 18:34.01 | HelenaKitty | well even using the non-standard port doesn't work :( |
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| 18:34.25 | pupil | maybe the port closed in the box?? |
| 18:34.30 | HelenaKitty | it's not |
| 18:34.32 | Kernel_Core | Sevet_, : imagine I have an openvpn running, and I want to change the src port of every packet before exit the box to a random src number. |
| 18:34.33 | HelenaKitty | cause I'm SSHed in |
| 18:34.46 | HelenaKitty | you can check it for yourself |
| 18:34.48 | pupil | ssh and sftp using the same port?? |
| 18:34.48 | HelenaKitty | whois me |
| 18:34.57 | HelenaKitty | it's like common sense to check these things |
| 18:35.02 | HelenaKitty | pupil, yes |
| 18:35.04 | HelenaKitty | btw... |
| 18:35.08 | HelenaKitty | sftp is ssh |
| 18:35.15 | ompaul | you are messing with your ports |
| 18:35.24 | HelenaKitty | I use port 443 |
| 18:35.32 | ompaul | security though obsecurity |
| 18:35.33 | HelenaKitty | it's my setup and how I want it |
| 18:35.39 | HelenaKitty | ... |
| 18:35.41 | HelenaKitty | WTF? |
| 18:35.50 | HelenaKitty | I'm a penetration tester |
| 18:35.54 | HelenaKitty | I know what security is! |
| 18:36.21 | pupil | lower the tone people :) |
| 18:36.32 | HelenaKitty | I know fully well this is a configuration issue. |
| 18:36.40 | HelenaKitty | rather than a network issue |
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| 18:37.15 | Wolowitz_ | So if you're a penetration tester, are you the test subject? |
| 18:37.41 | Sevet_ | Kernel_Core: do you mean within the same connection you want each packet to have a different src port? you can't, they won't be the same connection then |
| 18:37.46 | HelenaKitty | Wolowitz_, lol |
| 18:37.58 | HelenaKitty | Wolowitz_, u can penetrate me if u want hun |
| 18:38.00 | HelenaKitty | :3 |
| 18:38.01 | HelenaKitty | my ass |
| 18:38.07 | HelenaKitty | or my mouth |
| 18:38.10 | HelenaKitty | which is it to be? |
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| 18:39.40 | Wolowitz_ | HelenaKitty: I'll take your face, not much different from your ass anyway ;-) |
| 18:39.57 | Wolowitz_ | So that's like 2-in-1 |
| 18:40.11 | HelenaKitty | Wolowitz_, :3 |
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| 18:41.17 | Kernel_Core | Sevet_, : yes, I want and in the destination I will revese them back to the original src port . |
| 18:41.52 | msn | is there some probelm with squeeze updates right now, I tried 3 servers and apt-get update is getting hung |
| 18:42.03 | HelenaKitty | gives msn a whistle |
| 18:42.29 | Sevet_ | perhaps using mangle, but chances are you're going to break things rather than achieve what you want |
| 18:42.30 | msn | well actually its hung at Packages bzip2 0 B |
| 18:42.49 | msn | waves at HelenaKitty |
| 18:43.29 | Sevet_ | Kernel_Core: i doubt it's going to play well if you're going through an NAT device for example. you'll not be creating a valid mapping for return packets, and you will create enough mappings you might fill up the mapping table and crash the router |
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| 18:44.30 | Kernel_Core | Sevet_, : I have a Phenom Quad Core with enough memory |
| 18:44.53 | Sevet_ | i mean on your cable/DSL router |
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| 18:46.04 | Sevet_ | besides i doubt mangle gives you a way to actually set a random port number. there are randomised options for NAT, but they're all connection level not packet level |
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| 18:47.11 | Kernel_Core | Sevet_, : I have a Debian with CT enabled . |
| 18:47.25 | elmiko | hi, I seem to be missing the manpage for sleep, what package is it in? |
| 18:47.35 | elmiko | running wheezy btw |
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| 18:48.07 | Kernel_Core | Sevet_, : I know it is the reason : |
| 18:48.09 | Kernel_Core | iptables -t raw -A OUTPUT -p udp --sport 1586 -j CT --expevents new |
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| 18:48.18 | Kernel_Core | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -p udp --sport 1586 -j SNAT --to-source :25000-30000 --random |
| 18:48.32 | Kernel_Core | only changes the src port once ! |
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| 18:48.45 | Sevet_ | yes, as i said there are ones but they're connection level |
| 18:48.49 | pupil | elmiko: we can search man pages online |
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| 18:49.48 | elmiko | pupil: yeah i did that, i'm more just curious if i've missed a coreutil package or something. i should mention that this is for the sleep function from unistd.h |
| 18:49.51 | prince_jammys | elmiko: sleep comes with coreutils. |
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| 18:50.37 | prince_jammys | elmiko: oh, you mean the man page for the C function? |
| 18:50.39 | elmiko | prince_jammys: thanks, i do have coreutils installed. i think that is for the sleep command, i want the man page for the C function. |
| 18:50.45 | elmiko | prince_jammys: yea |
| 18:50.46 | prince_jammys | elmiko: manpages-dev |
| 18:50.53 | Sevet_ | Kernel_Core: what exactly are you trying to achieve anyway? hiding the fact you're using a vpn i'd guess, but the dst port would still be unchanged and the ip-ip flow would still exist |
| 18:51.06 | elmiko | prince_jammys: huh... i have that installed |
| 18:51.27 | prince_jammys | elmiko: ''man 3 sleep'' gives error? |
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| 18:52.30 | elmiko | prince_jammys: yea, i get 'No manual entry for sleep in section 3' |
| 18:52.37 | Kernel_Core | Sevet_, : I have a openvpn connection in Iran , I observed they block the src port after they recognize flow, the only way is to change the src port and restart the tunnel... I wanted to handle it with iptables |
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| 18:53.39 | majuscule | Is there an open source exchange service that debian can run and android supports? I've been looking at Zimbra, but from what I can tell, you need to buy a license to use it with android? |
| 18:53.46 | elmiko | prince_jammys: ok, i'm a moron. i had $MANPATH redefined... |
| 18:53.54 | prince_jammys | elmiko: ah. |
| 18:54.04 | majuscule | I don't need a full mail service, I'm looking for a contact management service |
| 18:54.13 | elmiko | prince_jammys: thanks for the help, sorry bout that |
| 18:54.18 | prince_jammys | no sweat |
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| 18:55.08 | mikunos | hi guys is there a way to know what are the last software updated in the server? |
| 18:55.25 | majuscule | mikunos: pretty sure that's logged somehwere under /var/log |
| 18:55.33 | prince_jammys | possibly by seeing dpkg's logs. |
| 18:55.42 | mikunos | thanks guys |
| 18:55.55 | mikunos | but which one? |
| 18:56.01 | mikunos | there are many log files |
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| 18:56.04 | prince_jammys | dpkg.log |
| 18:56.12 | Chestal | I'm running sid here and changelogs (apt-get changelog or via aptitude) stopped working a few weeks ago. http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/ is now empty, I found http://ftp-master.metadata.debian.org/changelogs/, has it moved? I have a hard time finding info about it |
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| 18:56.13 | mikunos | ok |
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| 18:56.17 | mikunos | thanks |
| 18:56.21 | prince_jammys | mikunos: the numbered ones are older. |
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| 18:57.33 | jdoles | How do I set a default session in slim? |
| 18:58.50 | msn | !security |
| 18:58.50 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in <stable>. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
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| 18:59.08 | cra1g321 | etc/slim.conf i think |
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| 18:59.28 | n-iCe | jdoles: don't use slim |
| 18:59.33 | n-iCe | jdoles: install lightdm |
| 18:59.36 | starbuck_ | hi, one question about gnome3: where do programs go after minimize to tray? |
| 18:59.47 | n-iCe | slim does not start all the daemons with wheezt |
| 18:59.48 | n-iCe | wheezy |
| 19:00.15 | n-iCe | starbuck_: move your mouse to your left up corner |
| 19:00.16 | jdoles | n-iCe, same question for lightdm. |
| 19:01.10 | starbuck_ | n-iCe: ty! i saw it in the bottom right corner :) |
| 19:01.23 | jdoles | n-iCe, I got it working. |
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| 19:05.07 | n-iCe | great |
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| 19:08.20 | Kernel_Core | Sevet_, : any solution ? |
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| 19:13.38 | tensorpudding | why does python-pip install python packages for a different version of python than my system is using... |
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| 19:15.35 | streulma | hello I use Debian on my server :) |
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| 19:15.54 | streulma | is it possible to upgrade? |
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| 19:16.23 | kaste | from what to what else? |
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| 19:16.59 | streulma | squeeze |
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| 19:17.13 | cra1g321 | lol |
| 19:17.20 | streulma | I try it on a vps, it works on kvm |
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| 19:17.56 | streulma | but, how to do it on Xen ? |
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| 19:18.29 | jhutchins_wk | streulma: From squeeze to wheezy, or from something to squeeze? |
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| 19:18.37 | Quest | which has more softwares in its repositories? debian or ubuntu? |
| 19:19.07 | msn | hmmm trying to run apt-get update and it just stops at 99% PAckages bzip2 0 B |
| 19:19.38 | jhutchins_wk | Quest: We don't know about ubuntu, especially since they use third party repos, but Debian has 30K+ packages. Some of those are alternat architectures and internationalization. |
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| 19:20.04 | jhutchins_wk | msn: Disk space? |
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| 19:20.24 | msn | jhutchins_wk: 1% used |
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| 19:21.34 | kaste | Quest: you are asking the wrong question, what benefit do you gain from some random package you'll never use other than having the bigger distropenis |
| 19:21.48 | kaste | what packages do you need? |
| 19:22.28 | SmashingX | kaste: his question is very clear, probably he just wants to know who has a bigger packagepenis |
| 19:22.37 | jhutchins_wk | msn: I guess I'd do aptitude clean all && aptitude update. |
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| 19:23.22 | SmashingX | maybe suto apt-get autoremove can help msn, no? |
| 19:23.46 | kaste | I did not say it's unclear, I was merely pointing out that it's not helpful. |
| 19:23.53 | msn | jhulst: clean all is stuck |
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| 19:24.22 | SmashingX | well for a clear question, clear answer: Debian has xxx packages and Ubuntu xxx packages |
| 19:24.26 | SmashingX | I think is better |
| 19:24.40 | Quest | hm |
| 19:24.47 | jhutchins_wk | SmashingX: We're supposed to know how many packages Ubuntu has? |
| 19:24.57 | SmashingX | no |
| 19:25.16 | ompaul | Quest: if you look at the home page of debian it gives a rough idea |
| 19:25.24 | Quest | k |
| 19:25.30 | msn | jhutchins_wk: clean all worked and apt-get is stuck again |
| 19:25.32 | SmashingX | but I don't think he's asking which distro has better packages, or shich distro I can use better |
| 19:25.49 | ompaul | Quest: but then it has the same packages for arm and mainframes and what ever - and then ubuntu is not debian it takes some stuff from debian |
| 19:25.57 | ompaul | so you can work it out slowly I guess |
| 19:26.06 | rryoumaa | it is a reasonable question. you can't say what the person needs, asking which one is larger rules out distros with few packages; he might not have known. |
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| 19:26.44 | ompaul | rryoumaa: hes still there |
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| 19:27.22 | rryoumaa | i've heard that the two largest are debian-based and gentoo, with a steep dropoff after that? |
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| 19:28.40 | Sevet | rryoumaa: the largest is debian-based? which one? :) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Debian_family_tree_11-06.png |
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| 19:29.01 | rryoumaa | ("please give me the posterior probability that i will find a good package that i need in X distro over the next 10 years, given that i am [insert use case] type of user" would be an interesting question, but subjective) |
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| 19:30.04 | rryoumaa | Sevet: dunno, i am no expert on forks. awesome diagram though, saw the one that contains other distros also before. :) |
| 19:31.33 | socomm | distropenis, i think i learned a new word today |
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| 19:33.21 | debdeb | hi |
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| 19:34.20 | debdeb | i have the following problem: i want to boot a test-system from a usb-stick. unfortunately the machine is a bit older and cant boot from usb. what is my line? |
| 19:34.55 | socomm | debdeb: CD-ROM/DVD-ROM? |
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| 19:35.27 | debdeb | i have found a few options: there is a cd, which can boot from usb, which boots a special bootloader... which boots from usb |
| 19:35.30 | socomm | PXE maybe? |
| 19:35.59 | socomm | debdeb: if you've a CD-ROM just install from CD ...... |
| 19:36.04 | mikunos | Hi guys I have downgrade the last php version installed 5.4 to 5.3 |
| 19:36.08 | debdeb | unfortunately this cd-boot-loader just boots from usb-sticks, which are directly connected to the usb-port... no hub is allowed between |
| 19:36.13 | mikunos | how have I to do it? |
| 19:36.24 | debdeb | socomm: this is not an option |
| 19:36.39 | socomm | debdeb: what options do you have? |
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| 19:37.48 | debdeb | options are: 1.) boot from cd... to boot from usb... 2.) boot from hdd-bootloader... to boot from usb... 3.) PXE... but i wouldns like... a lot of work |
| 19:37.54 | musca | !plop |
| 19:37.54 | dpkg | Plop Boot Manager is a boot loader with built-in IDE CD-ROM and USB drivers. This allows booting from CD/DVD or USB on legacy PC systems without BIOS support. Plop Boot Manager is proprietary but free for personal and non-commercial use. http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/ |
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| 19:38.08 | debdeb | 4.) boot from floppy ^^ |
| 19:38.22 | rantic | dpkg: +1 for Plop, that's what I use with the incredibly limited VMPlayer since it doesn't support USB booting |
| 19:38.22 | dpkg | rantic: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
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| 19:38.35 | socomm | mikunos: http://bit.ly/12egggn |
| 19:38.44 | debdeb | musca: exactly... this is what i meant... but it doesnt boot from: usb-hub->usb-stick |
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| 19:39.04 | debdeb | i mean plop-boot-manager... no hubs are allowed |
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| 19:39.32 | debdeb | and i allready tried plop... it works... but just without a hub |
| 19:39.34 | musca | debdeb: so sad :( |
| 19:39.38 | debdeb | and hub is necessary |
| 19:39.41 | mumpitze1 | why do you need an usb stick while installing? |
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| 19:39.54 | debdeb | not while installing |
| 19:39.56 | socomm | debdeb: ok so you have a CD-ROM but you cannot install from this CD-ROM? I don't undestand. |
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| 19:40.05 | debdeb | a real system on usb-stick should be booted |
| 19:40.28 | mumpitze1 | debdeb: so you install, without a hub. after installation you can boot from hdd and don't need plog or usb stick anymore. what is the problem? |
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| 19:40.48 | debdeb | mumpitze1: please read: no installation... a real boot |
| 19:40.48 | socomm | hopes debdeb is a troll |
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| 19:41.30 | debdeb | hopes socom has a solution |
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| 19:42.00 | socomm | debdeb: install from CD-ROM, you've already got a CD-ROM on your machine, from what you've told me, I don't see why you need to jump to USB |
| 19:42.14 | debdeb | common. i tried to explain, what the problem is... and no... NO installation... YES, a hub is needed between |
| 19:42.17 | twinkie_addict | hi |
| 19:42.18 | caravel | debdeb: ... ^^ note, you also said you can boot from hdd. If you can stick grub2 (?) then you might just boot an ISO place on hdd, from it directly ? |
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| 19:42.41 | caravel | placed* |
| 19:42.49 | socomm | what does 'NO installation mean' maybe I'm dense |
| 19:43.09 | musca | debdeb: i doubt that all USB-ports are occupied while booting the system. Down on your knees! |
| 19:43.10 | debdeb | the installation is allready on a usb-stick and should be booted |
| 19:43.24 | debdeb | musca: only one usb-port is available |
| 19:43.33 | debdeb | thats the problem |
| 19:43.38 | socomm | debdeb: you mean the USB is your primary hard drive? |
| 19:43.42 | debdeb | thats why a usb-hub is needed |
| 19:43.57 | socomm | s/hard\ drive/storage\ device/ |
| 19:44.05 | debdeb | socomm: for the installed system, which should be bootet: yes |
| 19:44.17 | musca | yes, i remember i had such a machine in 1998 |
| 19:44.17 | debdeb | booted |
| 19:44.27 | socomm | musca: hehe |
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| 19:44.43 | debdeb | musca: a bit later i think. but yes... around the year 2000 |
| 19:44.50 | debdeb | and its only usb1.1 |
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| 19:45.12 | socomm | debdeb: http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanagers.html |
| 19:45.18 | musca | cheap pci-usb-controller then. |
| 19:45.34 | socomm | - USB boot without BIOS support (UHCI, OHCI and EHCI) |
| 19:45.43 | debdeb | socomm: again: i allready tried plop... i have a allready burned plop-boot-cd here |
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| 19:45.55 | socomm | debdeb: and what happened? |
| 19:45.56 | debdeb | musca: laptop |
| 19:46.08 | debdeb | no pci-usb-controller |
| 19:46.30 | musca | pcmcia then! |
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| 19:46.39 | debdeb | theroretically a cardbus-usb-controller would be possible.. but hey.. its a machine so old.. i dont want to spend money for it |
| 19:46.42 | mumpitze1 | put your /boot on CD and only your / on the usb hdd |
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| 19:47.27 | debdeb | mumpitze1: that would be an idea |
| 19:47.39 | mumpitze1 | debdeb: what other devices must be connected via usb? |
| 19:47.46 | socomm | debdeb: you cannot install into the laptops hard drive? |
| 19:47.53 | debdeb | usb-wlan-stick |
| 19:47.58 | debdeb | mumpitze1: |
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| 19:48.39 | debdeb | socomm: i could... but this should be the last option... there is a windows on it... which should be backed up before |
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| 19:49.22 | debdeb | oh... wait.. i was not at the end with my options before |
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| 19:50.17 | debdeb | as said... plop: tried... dont work as i like it... but the second would be to have an minimalistic boot-manager on cd... which can "kexec" to the kernels on usb |
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| 19:50.49 | debdeb | for example: http://kboot.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 19:51.44 | socomm | I'm beginning to think that laptop is more trouble than its worth. |
| 19:52.19 | mumpitze1 | socomm: it's a typical rube goldberg install. nothing special |
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| 19:52.37 | debdeb | but i have no experience with kboot or kexecboot... and now we are at the point, i need help |
| 19:52.55 | debdeb | +where |
| 19:53.08 | mumpitze1 | !rube goldberg install |
| 19:53.08 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
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| 19:53.50 | debdeb | lol |
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| 19:54.18 | debdeb | and how did goldberg solve that? |
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| 19:54.30 | socomm | debdeb: bought a mac |
| 19:54.32 | ompaul | debdeb: bought newer hardware |
| 19:54.38 | debdeb | hahaha |
| 19:54.53 | debdeb | rotfl... but not an option |
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| 19:55.09 | Aktau | Hey guys |
| 19:55.18 | Aktau | My mongodb won't start up anymore |
| 19:55.25 | Aktau | with sudo service mongodb start |
| 19:55.35 | debdeb | hey... he could have a paralel-scanner, in which he wirst had to scan and ocr the code to install debian ;-) |
| 19:55.35 | Aktau | However, it doesn't tell me the error |
| 19:55.39 | Aktau | Where does it save that? |
| 19:55.55 | caravel | last try: debdeb, why not putting grub and the iso on your hdd, and boot that? |
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| 19:56.10 | debdeb | caravel: first i want to backup it |
| 19:56.16 | caravel | good |
| 19:56.20 | caravel | do it then, no? |
| 19:56.32 | debdeb | caravel: but thats a kind of henn-egg-problem |
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| 19:57.17 | debdeb | caravel: and again... no iso... it is not an installation |
| 19:57.39 | socomm | debdeb: is english your primary language? |
| 19:57.42 | debdeb | no |
| 19:57.51 | socomm | I see. |
| 19:58.06 | debdeb | ah, sorry, i feel i understand, where you dont understand me |
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| 19:58.32 | mumpitze1 | debdeb: how big is the harddisk, and the notebook has a LAN port, right? |
| 19:58.33 | debdeb | with "installation" i mean: to install a system from for example the debian-installer-cds |
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| 19:59.14 | debdeb | with "its not an installation" i mean: the system is allredy installed on that usb-stick |
| 19:59.47 | debdeb | ok now? :-) |
| 19:59.51 | caravel | so, you can backup your hdd mbr, put grub instead and chainload |
| 20:00.01 | caravel | or am I missing something? |
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| 20:00.20 | socomm | debdeb: here is a question, why do you need to boot into debian/linux? |
| 20:00.30 | debdeb | caravel: would be an option, yes... but not my prefered |
| 20:00.35 | socomm | you said you already ahve windows on the HDD, whats the point of booting into linux? |
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| 20:00.44 | caravel | debdeb: it's a ONE MINUTE solution... |
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| 20:01.16 | caravel | good luck with your prefs :) |
| 20:02.11 | fredb | Hi All, I'm using Debian 7.0 on new custom Arm hardware we've designed. We have a problem whereby the ethernet needs to be restarted after bootup for it to work. I see a link not ready message followed by the link becoming ready about 4 seconds later. This slow bringup may be causing the problem. Any ideas on how to fix it? |
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| 20:02.44 | debdeb | socomm: because its possible? ;-) no... right now to make a backup of the hdd bit-for-bit... before i play with the boot-loader on hdd |
| 20:03.24 | socomm | debdeb: it is possible but sounds like waste of time |
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| 20:03.32 | mircplus | debian gnome 3? |
| 20:03.35 | socomm | not that learning something new is ever a waste of time |
| 20:03.36 | mircplus | does it have.. |
| 20:03.54 | musca | wheezy has gnome 3.4 |
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| 20:04.19 | socomm | GNOME 3 = poop, in my eyes |
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| 20:04.28 | nkuttler | fredb: do you only have to restart networking or also services? |
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| 20:04.42 | mircplus | The girls says that iam prince, how to you think , do i look like a prince? |
| 20:04.46 | debdeb | but to bring it to my point: i more-or-less allready know what i want: to use http://kboot.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:04.52 | mircplus | :))) |
| 20:04.52 | Alberaan | hello everyone |
| 20:04.53 | mircplus | hyahhaahaha |
| 20:04.58 | fredb | If I do an "ifconfig eth0 down" followed by an "ifconfig eth0 up" then it works |
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| 20:05.16 | nkuttler | fredb: which error do you get the first time? |
| 20:05.23 | Alberaan | Im having some issues when trying to install firmware-7.0.0-amd64-netinst |
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| 20:05.38 | socomm | fredb: could it possibly be a layer 1 problem? |
| 20:05.44 | twinkie_addict | i like gnome 3 it eficiant with the keyboard and touchpad very nice |
| 20:05.46 | Alberaan | the installation stops when configuring the package manager |
| 20:05.46 | debdeb | and my next step would be to build a boot-cd, which boots kboot |
| 20:05.47 | fredb | I don't get any error, but eth0 is not up initially. |
| 20:06.06 | fredb | It takes about 4 seconds for the "link becomes ready" msg to appear |
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| 20:06.25 | Alberaan | on syslog I see info: menu item "apt-setup-udeb" succeeded but requested to be left unconfigured |
| 20:06.50 | nkuttler | fredb: where do you see that message and why is the delay a problem? |
| 20:06.51 | debdeb | socomm: yes... its a bit waste of time... but such a boot-cd for kboot... may help me too in the future |
| 20:06.52 | Alberaan | "lilo-installer: lilo not usabe on EFI PCs without BIOS compatibility; use grub-efi" |
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| 20:07.41 | fredb | I see the link up/down messages when I do an if down/up from the console. Not sure the 4 second delay is a problem, but perhaps it's too slow for the way the network is initially initialized? |
| 20:08.16 | anddam | I gave up on "address boundary error" on mailsync as it seems outdated, but out of curiosity has anyone succeded using it lately? |
| 20:08.37 | debdeb | or does anyone here has an allready build boot-cd, which boots into a initrd, which executes kexec to boot something other? |
| 20:09.08 | socomm | fredb: could it be a problem with the cable/switch? |
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| 20:10.05 | fredb | Possible, I will try another cable and switch port. But this is a custom design so could well be a lower level problem. |
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| 20:11.56 | debdeb | or does a boot-cd exist, which can chainlod to a grub on usb-stick? |
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| 20:12.19 | debdeb | that would be an solution, too |
| 20:13.09 | fredb | Also if I do an "/etc/init.d/network restart" after bootup the network then works |
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| 20:14.41 | debdeb | as grub can do a lot of things... can it chainboot from usb? like the way plop-bootmanager does it? just with usb-hups between? |
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| 20:14.54 | socomm | fredb: maybe there is a module that needs to be loaded before you start your network service? |
| 20:14.59 | mircplus | fuu |
| 20:15.05 | mircplus | i hate that white control central of ubuntu |
| 20:15.14 | mircplus | control* |
| 20:15.42 | mircplus | or that gtk is uglY |
| 20:15.54 | mircplus | :) |
| 20:16.03 | fredb | OK thanks for the help guys |
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| 20:17.16 | mircplus | I think, kDE is defenetly more atractrive then Gnome |
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| 20:18.06 | socomm | I used to love KDE back when I was using SuSE in 2004, but eventually the bloat got to me |
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| 20:19.19 | mircplus | IN KDE |
| 20:19.22 | porton | What releases faster: Debian "testing" or Ubuntu? |
| 20:19.42 | socomm | porton: I'm sure you can find benchmarks on google. |
| 20:19.46 | mircplus | they just need to make pictograms MORE BIG |
| 20:19.48 | nkuttler | porton: why does it matter? |
| 20:19.52 | mircplus | everything is so small in all programs in kdE> |
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| 20:20.03 | porton | nkuttler: Should I switch to Ubuntu from Debian? |
| 20:20.15 | mircplus | so pitty everything, You cant watch without glasses |
| 20:20.17 | socomm | porton: yeah, go do that |
| 20:20.17 | nkuttler | porton: i'd say no... but you can give it a try |
| 20:20.23 | mircplus | in windows 8 evertying is Big |
| 20:20.27 | mircplus | :) |
| 20:21.00 | mircplus | that just need to make on size bigger, everything in KDe |
| 20:21.05 | socomm | mircplus: cinnamon works fine for me, GNOME 3 makes my eyes bleed |
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| 20:21.42 | Terminus | porton: do you have a reason to do so? personally, i don't care what distro i use as long as it does what i need it to do. |
| 20:21.54 | porton | What releases faster: Debian "testing" or Ubuntu? |
| 20:22.14 | socomm | thinks porton is a bot or a troll or a botroll |
| 20:22.22 | mircplus | thanks for cinnamon |
| 20:22.26 | mircplus | i didnt know about it |
| 20:22.27 | mircplus | :D |
| 20:22.37 | ompaul | socomm: botrollbot |
| 20:22.38 | socomm | mircplus: you're welcome, enjoy |
| 20:22.52 | mircplus | maybe there is something similar for kd |
| 20:22.53 | mircplus | kde |
| 20:23.16 | socomm | mircplus: don't think so, but let me know if you find something |
| 20:23.44 | mumpitze1 | !gentoosmite porton |
| 20:23.46 | dpkg | spends 7 weeks recompiling porton, and when it's all done, porton runs 0.3% faster than previously |
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| 20:27.29 | deego | Hi. Heh, the topic suggests #debian-next for testing support, but I got insta-*banned* upon joining that. :) |
| 20:27.47 | mircplus | me too ;) |
| 20:27.52 | deego | ah, oftc. |
| 20:27.53 | ompaul | deego: it's on irc.oftc.cnet |
| 20:27.58 | ompaul | yeah |
| 20:27.59 | deego | ompaul: ah, yeah |
| 20:28.14 | ompaul | and note that testing breaks in new and interesting ways and that may not be a bug |
| 20:28.32 | deego | yeah |
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| 20:29.43 | ompaul | Nik05: and also here :) |
| 20:29.44 | ompaul | hides |
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| 20:30.51 | deego | ompaul: Yeah, I have mostly stayed with stable (squeeze atm) for some 13 years for most of my work. But, looks like I will switch to jessie once it's a bit mature. |
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| 20:32.39 | ompaul | deego: if you need the box to work day after day ... be ready to fix it if gets upset :) |
| 20:32.47 | Cyclohexane | Is it normal for "Erasing data on the hard drive" part of the expert install to take 2+ hrs and only be on 20%? |
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| 20:33.16 | deego | ompaul: ok :) |
| 20:33.19 | mumpitze1 | yes. it will overwrite all sectors on the hdd |
| 20:33.20 | ompaul | Cyclohexane: did you choose to encrypt it also |
| 20:33.30 | Cyclohexane | ompaul: yes.. I picked encrypted KVM |
| 20:33.31 | Cyclohexane | LVM* |
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| 20:33.44 | mumpitze1 | then it will take that long since there is not enough entropy for the RNG |
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| 20:39.04 | Cyclohexane | what gui is debian shipped with? |
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| 20:40.32 | dondelelcaro | Cyclohexane: lots of them |
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| 20:40.37 | nutron|w | after using the new wheezy installer, I setup software raid, installed grub to the mbr and upon boot it says "error: unknown filesystem" grub rescue> |
| 20:40.54 | nutron|w | I used ext4 as the filesystem, is this a known issue? |
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| 20:41.47 | peterrooney | Cyclohexane: many DEs are available. choose your poison! |
| 20:41.50 | Terminus | nutron|w: is your /boot on a raid partition? is it not a raid 1 partition? |
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| 20:42.17 | mumpitze1 | nutron|w: you cannot boot from a software raid |
| 20:42.28 | Terminus | nutron|w: IIRC, /boot is only supported on a raid 1 partition. anything else won't work. |
| 20:42.36 | nutron|w | Yes, boot is on a raid partition, it's a raid 1. I've always done it this way for development workstations and it's never gone sideways. |
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| 20:43.02 | nutron|w | mumpitze1: I have more than one machine that will prove your statement wrong. |
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| 20:43.43 | nutron|w | Terminus: yeah, raid1, or 0 as long as grub is installed to the mbr and /boot is within the first 1023 cylinders. |
| 20:43.46 | Terminus | nutron|w: in that case, i'm out of ideas. i haven't tried using wheezy on raid yet. |
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| 20:44.03 | nutron|w | I've restarted the install to see if it works or something just broke. |
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| 20:44.06 | Terminus | nutron|w: yeah, was a bit iffy about raid0. i was pretty sure raid1 would work though. |
| 20:44.42 | debdeb | mumpitze1> nutron|w: you cannot boot from a software raid <- that is only half of truth ;-9 |
| 20:44.47 | musca | !tell Cyclohexane about various cd1 |
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| 20:45.15 | debdeb | mumpitze1: for booting from software-raid... something with kexec would help, too |
| 20:45.18 | nutron|w | I dunno, i've been able to boot from raid for probably a decade now. |
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| 20:45.30 | laptop000 | does anyone have a link for instructions on changing my debian KDE environment to LXDE? |
| 20:45.50 | debdeb | and from raid1 its possible without it... grub allone should be enough |
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| 20:47.44 | truko22 | yei o/ |
| 20:47.55 | nutron|w | ok the second install worked..... I hate not being able to nail down the problem... |
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| 20:49.08 | debdeb | but a good argument: imagine i would like to boot from a raid5... and for that i need a cd now, which boots: http://kboot.sourceforge.net/ any help to build such a cd? |
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| 20:49.15 | laptop000 | alternative question: does the standard installation of debian with kde have a built-in option to automatically change the desktop to LXDE? |
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| 20:50.37 | ctmjr | laptop000: no you need to install it |
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| 20:52.39 | laptop000 | ctmjr: thanks. then, back to my first question, i need to find some instructions. |
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| 20:53.27 | musca | !install lxde |
| 20:53.27 | dpkg | To install <LXDE> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: aptitude install lxde . To install using Debian-Installer (if not using LXDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > LXDE > Install". |
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| 20:54.21 | laptop000 | thank you |
| 20:54.34 | musca | laptop000: on your established system it boils down to: aptitude install lxde |
| 20:55.20 | musca | your loginscreen shoul then provide an option to switch the session to lxde |
| 20:55.49 | musca | should™ |
| 20:55.59 | laptop000 | musca: i have never changed the desktop before. do you think this will pretty much uninstall KDE and put LXDE in its place, magically? |
| 20:56.36 | debdeb | laptop000: backup is a good idea |
| 20:56.47 | nkuttler | laptop000: you can have both installed at the same time, no problem |
| 20:56.52 | laptop000 | debdeb: of course, no problem there. |
| 20:57.21 | nkuttler | laptop000: and you can also launch different sessions as you like if you r dm allows that |
| 20:57.24 | musca | no, removing kde would cause your applications to be also removed |
| 20:57.37 | nkuttler | well don't remove kde then |
| 20:57.43 | debdeb | laptop000: then i dont see a proble to try&error, if there is any "magic" ;-) |
| 20:57.49 | debdeb | problem |
| 20:58.03 | mircplus | p |
| 20:58.48 | laptop000 | i'll do it in a VM first so see how it goes. :) |
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| 20:58.56 | debdeb | but i would bet, kde would not magically be uninstalled |
| 20:58.57 | Zardus | install lxde in its place, magically? |
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| 21:00.08 | harrison | accepting praise and censure without attachment, the enlightened coder may enter IRC without danger |
| 21:00.21 | Zardus | already mounted, and when i try to mount the cd it gives that |
| 21:00.24 | debdeb | if one has configured an automatic-login... then ther may be a problem first... but then one can logout and has the login-screen again |
| 21:00.33 | Zardus | itd be cool to play music through it |
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| 21:06.33 | debdeb | ok... another approach: i want a boot-cd to boot my system if i have done something wrong with the boot-loader on hdd... how schould i do that? any howto? |
| 21:08.35 | antihero | I've just done a debian install, but the top two entries in Grub appear to be my old Arch kernels |
| 21:08.40 | Zardus | ive read in a long time |
| 21:08.42 | antihero | how the hell did that happen + how do I destroy them? |
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| 21:08.51 | antihero | (I overwrote my old arch install) |
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| 21:10.01 | debdeb | antihero: at the install-process it is looked if there are other linux-installs. if found, they are included in the new grub-menu... iths not a bug... its a feature |
| 21:10.04 | Zardus | problem there |
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| 21:10.26 | antihero | debdeb: Ok, that seems great, but those installs do not exist now |
| 21:10.33 | antihero | so I need to get rid of those lines, as they are the defaults |
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| 21:10.47 | debdeb | antihero: and grub doesnt know NOW... that you have deleted the arch.installs |
| 21:10.57 | debdeb | antihero: you have to tell this to grub |
| 21:11.01 | antihero | debdeb: Cool |
| 21:11.06 | antihero | how on earth |
| 21:11.08 | antihero | :) |
| 21:11.21 | debdeb | antihero: grub has a menu... delete the arch-entrys |
| 21:11.28 | Zardus | debdeb: and grub doesnt know now |
| 21:11.42 | antihero | debdeb: From grub, or from within debian? |
| 21:12.01 | debdeb | i would do it from within debian |
| 21:12.26 | antihero | there's a fair few grub-* commands |
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| 21:12.35 | antihero | menulst2cfg? |
| 21:12.39 | antihero | no that's for porting grub1 |
| 21:12.44 | antihero | editenv? |
| 21:12.53 | debdeb | it is possible to do it from grub itself WHEN your system is on plain ext3... for example... but it is not very comfortable |
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| 21:13.14 | antihero | debdeb: I'm cool with doing it in debian, I've got a ssh up and waiting to type something in |
| 21:13.15 | debdeb | s/WHEN/IF |
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| 21:13.25 | Zardus | tv, thought itd be cool to play music through it |
| 21:13.41 | antihero | or is it graphical |
| 21:13.51 | jhutchins_wk | debdeb: Can you boot to the debian install? |
| 21:13.52 | debdeb | antihero: search for: "grub +menu +delete entry" |
| 21:14.08 | jhutchins_wk | I don't think he needs to mess with editing anything. |
| 21:14.14 | Zardus | i dont think he is still here |
| 21:14.19 | antihero | ta |
| 21:15.07 | jhutchins_wk | Y'know, if /boot/grub/menu.cfg doesn't have the Arch installs in it from doing an osprober in update-grub, why is it showing them in the menu? |
| 21:15.11 | debdeb | jhutchins_wk: hm? do you mean my old problem now? |
| 21:15.45 | antihero | debdeb: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/17787/clean-up-the-new-ubuntu-grub2-boot-menu/ this doesn't really help, because I have no idea which thing in /etc/grub.d corresponds to my old kernels |
| 21:16.01 | debdeb | right... a normal grub-update should do it then... but first: backup |
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| 21:16.46 | debdeb | antihero: jhutchins_wk may be right... osprober may do it for you |
| 21:17.24 | antihero | jhutchins_wk: I can boot to dthe debian install, but the arch kernels are at the top (I can actually boot them, and get to a shell, weirdly) |
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| 21:18.06 | debdeb | ähm... antihero if you get a shell... you didnt delete all |
| 21:18.20 | antihero | I think I see what has happened here |
| 21:18.23 | antihero | yeah |
| 21:18.31 | antihero | I have just mounted my old /boot as new /boot |
| 21:18.36 | antihero | ha! even has syslinux there |
| 21:18.36 | jhutchins_wk | antihero: This strongly suggests that the system is not as you think it is. Those paths still exist. uname -a and a little file system exploration should show you what's going on in one of those shells. |
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| 21:18.51 | antihero | so I just delete my arch kernels and /boot/syslinux, and update-grub |
| 21:19.07 | jhutchins_wk | Ah, yes, that makes sense. Still using the old menu.lst |
| 21:19.08 | debdeb | antihero: backup ;-) |
| 21:19.16 | antihero | debdeb: ofc |
| 21:19.29 | jhutchins_wk | Need to boot to new Debian/new /boot, run update-grub, run grub-install. |
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| 21:20.51 | antihero | lets reboot it and see |
| 21:21.03 | antihero | I didn't know grub automatically found the images |
| 21:21.09 | antihero | that's kinda neat I guess |
| 21:21.21 | chrisirc | Ehr, am I crazy or did modprobe loose the -l (list modules) option in Wheezy? |
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| 21:22.07 | debdeb | antihero: hey... if something goes wrong... a boot-cd which is able to kexec... would be fine ;-) |
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| 21:23.32 | antihero | debdeb: It works :) |
| 21:23.54 | zykotick9 | chrisirc: lsmod perhaps? |
| 21:23.58 | chrisirc | Seems I'm *not* crazy. (And feeling rather pissed right now.) |
| 21:24.14 | chrisirc | Nope, modprobe -l listed all *available* modules. |
| 21:24.51 | chrisirc | Man this Debian release must go down as the release causing me the most work in my history of using Debian since Potato. |
| 21:25.06 | chrisirc | I've spent a whole day for the upgrade now and I'm not done yet. |
| 21:25.31 | Terminus | chrisirc: have you been dist-upgrading since potato? |
| 21:25.44 | antihero | how do I make stuff run as a user in init scripts? I've used systemd for so long now `-` |
| 21:26.10 | debdeb | chrisirc: one day... how many days you lived with squeeze without problems? |
| 21:26.12 | chrisirc | Terminus, this was a fresh Squeeze install. But I *did* use dist-upgrade for pretty much every release upgrade I think. |
| 21:26.13 | Terminus | antihero: writing your own init script? su? |
| 21:26.19 | antihero | Terminus: Ok |
| 21:26.54 | Terminus | chrisirc: i mentioned starting on potato and somebody asked me the same question. i just gave a different answer. i've never used dist-upgrade in my life. |
| 21:26.59 | chrisirc | debdeb, what do you even mean. |
| 21:27.09 | debdeb | btw: thats, why i dont like to dist-upgrade to the first version ^^ |
| 21:27.36 | debdeb | waits for debian 7.0.1 or .2 |
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| 21:35.37 | chrisirc | (Just to make my point a little more clear: I started the dist-upgrade 34 3/4 hours ago, and have worked on it pretty much exclusively except for a period of sleep. |
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| 21:36.29 | debdeb | is it a production-system, which is really important? |
| 21:36.38 | chrisirc | Also, much or even most of that doesn't have anything to do with dist-upgradeing, fresh install would have needed the work too.) |
| 21:37.04 | debdeb | right |
| 21:37.05 | chrisirc | Yes it's pretty important, this is my primary working machine. |
| 21:37.30 | debdeb | then i would have made a backup before the upgrade |
| 21:38.07 | debdeb | and if i would have been pissed of the upgrade-process... i would have restored it... after hmmm... 10 hours or so |
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| 21:38.39 | debdeb | and a few days later i would have tried it again on a test-system |
| 21:38.53 | chrisirc | You're smart. That doesn't change my point of course, which is noticing that this is the Debian upgrade causing me the most work since I started using Debian. |
| 21:39.10 | debdeb | chrisirc: i understand |
| 21:39.28 | debdeb | chrisirc: but... does it help you to be upset now? |
| 21:40.13 | debdeb | and really... i dont like it, too... if something goes wrong |
| 21:42.46 | debdeb | chrisirc: or does it help you if we all here say: "yes, you are right... the upgrade is really bad"... then: "yes, you are right" ;-) |
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| 21:44.50 | debdeb | but hey... there are good sides, too... how log is it since the last dist-upgrade? about 2 years that squeeze was stable? |
| 21:45.06 | debdeb | with ubuntu one has such problems every half year ;-) |
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| 21:46.39 | debdeb | and with rolling-releases sometimes every few weeks... so this is not the perfect solution, too |
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| 21:48.38 | jvelezc | Hello |
| 21:48.55 | starbuck | is there a version of debian which ships with xfce by default? or can i choose desktop at installation? |
| 21:49.15 | debdeb | and sorry... i dont understand it fully... i would not upgrade an important production-system 2 days after an upgrade is out without a fallback... especially as the oldstable still gets security-updates |
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| 21:50.24 | stojic | starbuck: There is an XFCE install CD. You can also use network install and select XFCE during installation. |
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| 21:51.22 | jvelezc | Normally i follow this tutorial http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/install/. I have succesfully installaded debian on sheevaplug. Now i created my own uimage http://computingplugs.com/index.php/Building_a_custom_kernel |
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| 21:51.54 | jvelezc | My question is : if i wanted to boot from sd card and for it to include modules |
| 21:51.58 | jvelezc | kernel modules |
| 21:52.45 | jvelezc | should i put lib/modules in the sd card and |
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| 21:53.09 | geekwani | hi.. i was testing out debian kfreebsd wheezy in virtualbox.. the password I set for the root user, does not seem to work at login prompt.. is there a way to reset the root password (I used a single letter password)? |
| 21:53.11 | jvelezc | uimage uinitRd then folder lib/modules in the sd card? |
| 21:53.11 | debdeb | jvelezc: a kernel/initrd, which can kexec would be an solution for you, too |
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| 21:53.48 | jvelezc | i guess what i am struggling with is the concept of how to load the kernel modules if i create my own uimage |
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| 21:54.29 | debdeb | jvelezc: if you need a module to read the sd-card... it is not a that good idea to put tha module on the sd-card itself |
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| 21:55.05 | jvelezc | i mean will debian scan my sd card for the directory structure lib/module? |
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| 21:55.40 | geekwani | How to reset root password in debian kfreebsd wheezy ? |
| 21:55.44 | debdeb | jvelezc: first the kernel has to be enabled to read from sdcard |
| 21:56.09 | doc_b | can i get some help with bridging? I have a device (1) connected to router via wlan0 i want to connect another device (2) to eth0 of device 1 and bridge from 1 to 2 |
| 21:57.09 | debdeb | jvelezc: after that is made... the boot-process can scan on the sdcard for other modules, yes |
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| 21:57.25 | antihero | is this a good guide for writing *minimal* init scripts for debian? |
| 21:57.25 | antihero | http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2012/03/lsbinit-script/ |
| 21:57.26 | mtn | geekwani: a little searching should fine you what you want. you need a live disk and chroot' |
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| 21:58.09 | mtn | geekwani: maybe not a chroot, but you should find an answer |
| 21:58.33 | doc_b | can i get some help with bridging? I have a device (1) connected to router via wlan0 i want to connect another device (2) to eth0 of device 1 and bridge from 1 to 2 |
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| 21:58.41 | jvelezc | is the fact that is booting from uimage in sd card mean that kernel can scan for modules? |
| 21:58.46 | debdeb | jvelezc: but as said... when you play with own kernels... it is a good idea (especially on something like a sheeva-plug) to have a boot-manager, which can kexec to your own build kernel on sdcard |
| 21:58.47 | jvelezc | in the sd card |
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| 21:59.11 | geekwani | @jessie i did the searching.. came across, use init=/bin/sh at grub.. but that did not help.. so i tried live sliTaz to access the partition.. was unable to access it |
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| 21:59.19 | debdeb | jvelezc: so you dont have to flash your plug with something which may be break the whole thing |
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| 21:59.50 | jvelezc | k gotta take a risk but let see if it read it or not. |
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| 22:00.28 | debdeb | jvelezc: if your system is able to load the kernel from sdcard.... i would bet, it can load other modules from sdcard, too... so yes |
| 22:00.37 | doc_b | i keep getting this error 'can't add wlan0 to bridge br0 operation not supported' |
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| 22:00.59 | geekwani | @mtn searching only gave methods for normal debian 6 |
| 22:01.34 | jvelezc | k then lets go with that bet and flashing away |
| 22:01.51 | debdeb | jvelezc: if i where you... i would like to use something like this as the boot-loader for the sheevaplug: http://kboot.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 22:02.12 | mtn | geekwani: you need to search for fixes for freebsd, I would think |
| 22:02.27 | debdeb | jvelezc: and then kboot can kexec to your own, risky kernel on sdcard |
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| 22:02.39 | jvelezc | i see |
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| 22:03.09 | jvelezc | this kernel stuff makes my head spin |
| 22:03.24 | geekwani | @mtn ok.. thanks for pointing in that direction |
| 22:03.36 | debdeb | jvelezc: and if you are a very nice guy... ;-) ... you could help me to build a boot-cd with kboot ^^ |
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| 22:04.15 | jvelezc | nice guy..? an angel u mean |
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| 22:04.51 | jvelezc | first time i heard of kboot and u already want me to creeate custom cd to boot kernel from lol |
| 22:04.59 | debdeb | jvelezc: oh wait... sheevaplug is an arm... so maybe kexecboot is better for you than kboot |
| 22:05.34 | jvelezc | kexecboot got it will research t |
| 22:05.36 | jvelezc | it |
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| 22:06.17 | debdeb | the good about it is: just flash it once... and you are safe for playing around with own kernels since then |
| 22:06.27 | debdeb | without the need to flash them |
| 22:06.44 | jvelezc | i like to live in the fastlane |
| 22:06.50 | debdeb | ^^ |
| 22:07.09 | debdeb | ok... it isnt that expensive to brick a sheevaplug ;-) |
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| 22:07.33 | jvelezc | well igotta learn how to unbrick it some day |
| 22:07.57 | debdeb | sometimes a jtag-device helps |
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| 22:08.25 | jvelezc | my first try i tried SID on sheevaplug dint go to well |
| 22:08.39 | debdeb | on those plugcomputers... i dont know if this is right for the sheeva |
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| 22:09.56 | debdeb | hey another plus for kboot on a plugcomputer is: it can boot another kernel... lying around somwhere on the net |
| 22:10.48 | debdeb | like PXE... but better |
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| 22:12.34 | debdeb | still needs a boot-cd with kboot |
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| 22:19.23 | jvelezc | question |
| 22:19.37 | jvelezc | http://computingplugs.com/index.php/Building_a_custom_kernel |
| 22:19.44 | jvelezc | they say |
| 22:19.46 | jvelezc | Copy uImage to the Sheeva Plug and burn it into the flash. If you're like me, and use a external HDD to boot the uImage, replace the old uImage with the new one. As for the modules, copy all the files under /sheeva/lib to the Sheeva Plug's /lib |
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| 22:20.01 | jvelezc | I notice that there is a sim link so kernel3.9 |
| 22:20.18 | jvelezc | is the simlink in the modules neccesary |
| 22:20.20 | jvelezc | ? |
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| 22:23.02 | debdeb | jvelezc: right, this channel is for debian. but it may be better for you to ask in a spezialized channel. it dosnt fit perfectly... but try #raspbian or #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:23.43 | jvelezc | will do |
| 22:23.59 | debdeb | jvelezc: they may have more experience with such problems |
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| 22:33.18 | antihero | hurrah, sickbeard, sabnzbd, and mpd all set up |
| 22:33.20 | sharky | hi guys, should I change testing to stable in /etc/apt/sources.list in that "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 22:33.20 | sharky | " |
| 22:34.50 | musca | !sources |
| 22:34.51 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" has 3 lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list" |
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| 22:36.07 | diabel | Hello all |
| 22:37.42 | sharky | musca, so I need to replace testing with wheezy? |
| 22:38.21 | LtL | sharky: yes |
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| 22:38.33 | sharky | LtL, ok thanks |
| 22:38.49 | diabel | I've got problem with adobe reader: http://paste.debian.net/2772/ (my sources.list) Error: http://paste.debian.net/2773/ |
| 22:38.49 | LtL | sharky: you're welcome |
| 22:40.28 | sharky | LtL, just tried it, it works, musca 10x too |
| 22:40.29 | mtn | diabel: stable, testing, unstable and experimental? really?? |
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| 22:41.48 | musca | and some backports ... |
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| 22:42.13 | sharky | now that sources.list seems hardcore |
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| 22:43.02 | diabel | sharky: it's some kind of artistic thrash ;] |
| 22:43.26 | sharky | diabel, haha :D |
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| 22:44.35 | Stameni | is there a way to turn off all those animated "window oppenings", fadings and alike in wheezy ? |
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| 22:45.02 | diabel | sad side of this thrash is that I haven't got acroread :( |
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| 22:45.13 | diabel | and I need it :( |
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| 22:45.41 | mtn | diabel: well, it isn't in debian :P |
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| 22:45.49 | pupil | diabel: deb-multimedia.com provide it don't they? |
| 22:46.10 | mtn | Stameni: what desktop are you using? |
| 22:46.17 | diabel | pupil: yes but check that my error http://paste.debian.net/2773/ |
| 22:46.21 | Stameni | mtn: gnome3 |
| 22:46.43 | mtn | Stameni: my gnome doesn't have those animations. |
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| 22:48.08 | Stameni | mtn: maby those are not animations, is there a way to control visual effect in gnome3? |
| 22:48.41 | mtn | Stameni: gnome3 doesn't come with hardly any of those by default. |
| 22:49.01 | Stameni | mtn: is there a way to control visual effects ? |
| 22:49.41 | sharky | diabel, you can remove the package (# apt-get remove package) or (# apt-get purge package), then maybe comment out your experimental and unstable repos from sources.list and try to install your package again |
| 22:49.42 | imageall | can anyone tell me, concerning liability insurance, why it lists it as "$20,000 / $40,000"? |
| 22:49.51 | imageall | instead of just 1 number |
| 22:49.55 | mtn | Stameni: I don't know. haven't seen settings for that. |
| 22:50.14 | Stameni | mtn: i can't find them enywhere |
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| 22:50.37 | mtn | Stameni: like I said, it doesn't have effects |
| 22:50.42 | sharky | diabel, sometimes to get out of this situation "# apt-get -f install" is useful too |
| 22:51.18 | sharky | diabel, and when you change your sources.list always "# apt-get update" |
| 22:51.23 | mtn | Stameni: maybe there are some extensions to add visual evvects |
| 22:51.30 | Stameni | mtn: when you click on your user name in up right corner, u don't have any visual "slow motion" oppening of options ? |
| 22:51.32 | mtn | effects, that is |
| 22:51.38 | Stameni | mtn: i dont want to add them |
| 22:51.53 | diabel | sharky: I've tried |
| 22:51.55 | mtn | Stameni: nope, it just snaps open |
| 22:52.05 | Stameni | mtn: when u click at mentioned place, it does not pop up instantly, its animated |
| 22:52.14 | Stameni | mtn: then i dont know what is the problem |
| 22:52.21 | mtn | Stameni: sounds like you have graphics card or driver issues |
| 22:52.38 | sharky | diabel, try again :D, that is the way forward |
| 22:52.45 | Stameni | mtn: i want gnome 2 back :( |
| 22:52.47 | mtn | Stameni: or slow processor, tec. |
| 22:52.52 | mtn | etc. |
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| 22:53.37 | Stameni | mtn: when you click "win" button opening apps and desktops, this is not animated too ? |
| 22:54.11 | mtn | Stameni: very snappy |
| 22:54.25 | Stameni | mtn: but animated ? |
| 22:54.31 | sharky | diabel, okular is also great alternative as pdf reader, supprts forms too |
| 22:54.35 | mtn | Stameni: no, no animation anywhere |
| 22:55.12 | Stameni | mtn: i cant belive in that, i was running that same wheezy 4 weeks ago on 6 core x6 processor and there was animated oppenings |
| 22:55.25 | Stameni | there were |
| 22:55.26 | Stameni | * |
| 22:55.30 | diabel | sharky: yes, but I need to copy some text from my pdf |
| 22:55.37 | mtn | Stameni: never seen such and I have been using gnome3 since it came out on several distros |
| 22:55.45 | diabel | I think I should install adobe from adobe.com :( |
| 22:55.55 | mtn | Stameni: maybe different definiton of animations :) |
| 22:56.03 | Stameni | mtn: must be |
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| 22:56.24 | Stameni | mtn: there are visual effects, not just snaps oppen instantly |
| 22:56.27 | mtn | Stameni: I see a smooth transition, but no fading, etc. |
| 22:56.57 | Stameni | mtn: ok, i understand what do u meen, can i somehow disable that "smooth" transitions ? |
| 22:56.57 | sharky | diabel, copy works too, but its just as alternative, if you want adobe try to install first it |
| 22:57.09 | mtn | Stameni: yep, don't use gnome :P |
| 22:57.10 | Stameni | those* |
| 22:57.47 | Stameni | mtn: u want to tell me that there is no visual effects customization ? |
| 22:58.22 | mtn | Stameni: I already answered that, so go do some searching if you think there are options. I may have missed them. |
| 22:58.40 | Stameni | mtn: if there are no options, that plain suks |
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| 22:58.48 | mtn | shrugs |
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| 23:00.04 | cell_x | hi, i just installed wheezy and noticed that when i do a df;i now have two / (rootfs and UUID path); this didn't happen in squeeze. anyone know about this? |
| 23:00.59 | Stameni | cell_x: do you have other media inserted ? |
| 23:02.40 | Stameni | cell_x: i can see now that its the same on my machine |
| 23:03.56 | cell_x | yes, sir =) |
| 23:04.06 | cell_x | yes or maam |
| 23:06.28 | abrotman | i think there's a bug about it .. it's not really an issue |
| 23:06.30 | musca | diabel: you really dont need acroread to copy text from pdf - what about okular? |
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| 23:07.01 | cell_x | has it been submitted? <the bug> |
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| 23:07.50 | abrotman | i just said that |
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| 23:13.20 | cell_x | okay.. thanks; i'll look on the mailing list or bug reports; if can't find one; i'll submit it |
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| 23:13.43 | joecool | er anyone update to squeeze on a server with plesk 11 on it? |
| 23:13.48 | joecool | *wheezy |
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| 23:15.08 | abrotman | i don't think plesk supports wheezy, ask #plesk |
| 23:15.29 | joecool | did already, our hosting company said it would be fine |
| 23:15.33 | joecool | obv they were wrong |
| 23:16.07 | abrotman | uhm, did already what? |
| 23:16.11 | abrotman | i said to ask #plesk |
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| 23:18.40 | pupil | ehm, why debian only have one version, not like Ubuntu with server and desktop version [and maybe phone version :)]? |
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| 23:19.48 | debdeb | because enough projects make other versions out of it |
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| 23:20.19 | n-iCe | pupil: you can do it |
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| 23:20.45 | n-iCe | pupil: just when debian asks you to install the desktop environment, unselect it, and you will have debian server |
| 23:20.49 | pupil | n-iCe: iwish i could someday, but i just use debian for about 3 weeks |
| 23:21.04 | n-iCe | just install ssh printer www services, etc |
| 23:21.12 | n-iCe | will be the same as ubuntu server, well not the same, better |
| 23:21.33 | abrotman | pupil: why does it matter? |
| 23:21.35 | n-iCe | and for your phone, Since Ubuntu is a derivative of Debian, there's no point in porting Debian, is it? |
| 23:21.39 | pupil | n-iCe: you mean in the instalation proccess? |
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| 23:21.44 | n-iCe | pupil: yes |
| 23:21.48 | abrotman | ... |
| 23:21.52 | debdeb | hey and... ubuntu-phone... is blood out of debians-blood... for example ;-) |
| 23:22.00 | pupil | abrotman: just asking :) |
| 23:22.11 | abrotman | pupil: we have Debian and emdebian |
| 23:22.39 | pupil | emdebian is embed debian isn't it? |
| 23:22.55 | debdeb | aye. a stripped-down version |
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| 23:23.33 | wald0 | compat-wireless can give a bigger wide range of supported wifi drivers than the ones in the default wheezy kernel? |
| 23:23.44 | pupil | i kind of like what n-iCe said, just don't install the desktop env, and we'll get server :) |
| 23:23.52 | n-iCe | wald0: yes |
| 23:23.55 | debdeb | maybe with wheezy it works better. last tiem i used it... it was not that perfect |
| 23:24.04 | n-iCe | wald0: that's old though, use compat-drivers |
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| 23:46.00 | joecool | would it be possible to restore a server from tarball while live using rsync? |
| 23:46.27 | divbell | ... |
| 23:46.28 | divbell | yes |
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| 23:47.23 | debdeb | it depends |
| 23:48.10 | joecool | well i'd prefer if it deletes all newer files |
| 23:48.12 | joecool | in the dir's |
| 23:48.31 | joecool | instead of just throwing restore over and having the things i'm trying to replace still be there |
| 23:49.12 | abrotman | joecool: why not just make a backup of important data, and reinstall? |
| 23:49.21 | abrotman | or, just learn how to admin the system without plesk |
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| 23:50.15 | joecool | abrotman: i would not be having this problem if plesk were not on this server, i took it over from someone else |
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| 23:50.48 | p3rror | I run lspci |
| 23:51.01 | p3rror | and I get 0d:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82573E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Copper) (rev 03) |
| 23:51.11 | p3rror | 0f:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82573L Gigabit Ethernet Controller |
| 23:51.32 | p3rror | how do I verify which card is used by system |
| 23:52.00 | p3rror | using pci id ? |
| 23:52.04 | p3rror | how that |
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| 23:56.28 | abrotman | p3rror: by MAC probably |
| 23:56.32 | abrotman | or use ethtool or mii-tool |
| 23:57.18 | p3rror | abrotman, all I have is lspci |
| 23:57.23 | abrotman | why is that? |
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| 23:57.36 | abrotman | the rest of the system is broken ? |
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| 23:58.06 | p3rror | no |
| 23:58.14 | abrotman | okay, not seeing a problem |
| 23:58.16 | p3rror | but if I run lspci -nn |
| 23:58.26 | p3rror | the command will return pci id |
| 23:58.37 | abrotman | i already gave you the answer |
| 23:58.40 | abrotman | or ytou can look in 'dmesg' |
| 23:58.47 | p3rror | dmesg |
| 23:59.20 | p3rror | ah yeah |
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