| 00:00.19 | sam101 | jelly-home: i don't have a clue how to do that unfortunatelly |
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| 00:00.25 | themill | Owner: the package in sid might work right now but mixing stable and sid is not a sustainable path. A better option might be a sid chroot with that tool installed in it -- schroot makes making and going into/out of those chroots very easy |
| 00:00.33 | jelly-home | penguin42: upgrades always go one release at a time |
| 00:00.35 | dvs | penguin42: only the previous version is guaranteed |
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| 00:01.29 | penguin42 | ok, fair enough |
| 00:01.30 | Owner | themill, can i try to build it from the dsc and .debian.tar.gz files ? |
| 00:01.35 | jelly-home | sam101: and you don't show enough ability to listen, or avoid doing destructive things in fragile environments |
| 00:02.02 | sam101 | i understand, but i tried to follow you |
| 00:02.04 | sam101 | and the rest |
| 00:02.20 | jebb | I am trying to replace a hard drive, remove /dev/sdb and install /dev/sda, copied sdb1 to sda1 and did >grub --root-directory=/mnt/sda1 /dev/sda, it doesn't work when I reboot, how should I be doing it? |
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| 00:02.49 | jelly-home | sam101: oh... well, I don't think anyone mentioned using aptitude, esp. not aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 00:02.50 | themill | Owner: yes that would work fine too. I don't know how hard that thing is to build though. |
| 00:03.01 | Owner | themill, ok |
| 00:03.12 | sam101 | true |
| 00:03.30 | themill | Owner: if you've not built a backport before, «/msg dpkg ssb» for a quick overview of how to do it |
| 00:03.31 | asterismo | hi, i need help with something |
| 00:03.43 | asterismo | now that wheezy has been released |
| 00:03.53 | asterismo | i was running wheezy testing |
| 00:04.14 | jelly-home | sam101: next time someone comes in with a sarge system, I'll make sure to tell them they have a really fragile OS and not to tocuh anything |
| 00:04.37 | asterismo | if i change repos to stable rather than testing, will i be sticking with wheezy? |
| 00:04.51 | jelly-home | asterismo: don't change to stable. Change to wheezy. |
| 00:04.52 | sam101 | jelly-home: ok |
| 00:04.57 | dvs | asterismo: you should change the repos to wheezy |
| 00:04.58 | mtn | asterismo: leave it at wheezy and things will work fine |
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| 00:05.37 | asterismo | ok |
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| 00:06.49 | asterismo | thanks guys |
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| 00:08.29 | sam101 | jelly-home: thanks for your help |
| 00:08.38 | sam101 | and the rest thanks for helping |
| 00:09.38 | smev9 | did any of you have problems setting up printing. When i click on the model (canon mp500) i am returned to the former window and nothing else happens. Am i missing packages? |
| 00:10.01 | jelly-home | sam101: yeah, sorry for not solving anything |
| 00:10.09 | sam101 | no worries, thanks |
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| 00:11.12 | Owner | themill, wow thanks! |
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| 00:11.40 | Owner | building now |
| 00:11.56 | usrnix | Hi, how do I get these deps for Steam for Linux that aren't in the official repo? |
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| 00:13.01 | mtn | smev9: you might try the cups web interface: http://localhost:631 |
| 00:13.34 | mtn | smev9: if that doesn't work, search on your model and debian |
| 00:13.51 | smev9 | @mtn you might be right. |
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| 00:16.27 | smev9 | @mtn That did it, okay. I really wanted the new user face to do the job... But well as long as it works. |
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| 00:21.11 | Schijnn | Whenever I log in, I get a message saying I have mail. I have read the mail, but I still keep getting the message. How can I inform the system I've read the mail? |
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| 00:22.05 | huglester | Schijnn: type mail |
| 00:25.40 | ctmjr | Schijnn: "man mail" might help you |
| 00:27.54 | rotifer | i know this isnt really a debian specific question but i gotta ask how do you get tar to read an lto-1 tape that was written on an lto-2 drive? |
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| 00:28.36 | penguin42 | rotifer: I'd expect you not to have to do anything special |
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| 00:29.08 | penguin42 | rotifer: what type of drive is it in |
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| 00:50.13 | rantic | How could I get the newer 310, 313 or 319 nvidia drivers on debian? :O Even wheezy only comes with 304.88 |
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| 00:51.18 | Arrowmaster | ,versions nvidia-dkms |
| 00:51.19 | judd | No package named 'nvidia-dkms' was found in i386. |
| 00:51.20 | epsilon | get binary from nvidia |
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| 00:51.44 | Arrowmaster | ,versions nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 00:51.45 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze1; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; jessie/non-free: 304.88-1; wheezy/non-free: 304.88-1; sid/non-free: 304.88-2; experimental/non-free: 313.30-1 |
| 00:51.58 | Arrowmaster | experimental has 313 |
| 00:52.18 | Arrowmaster | and getting the binary from nvidia is never really an option since the installer is so terrible |
| 00:52.44 | epsilon | it works *shrugs* |
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| 00:53.31 | epsilon | only tricky thing is you need to manually install gcc 4.3 and link to it |
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| 00:54.01 | Arrowmaster | yeah walking a newbie through using experimental is probably easier than that |
| 00:55.17 | rantic | Arrowmaster: Hm ... I'm assuming experimental would be under software sources or something? |
| 00:55.18 | epsilon | more important quastion is what is rantic missing in 304.88 what is available in 319 |
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| 00:55.52 | xmx | I have installed wheezy (with lvm encryption).. and when I reboot, after typing in the encryption passphrase, it says successful, then it just goes to a black screen |
| 00:55.54 | rantic | epsilon: It's the performance boost from 304 to 310, which was staggeringly higher on my gtx 460 |
| 00:56.06 | rantic | so I technically don't need 319, 310 would be perfectly fine |
| 00:56.10 | xmx | I have to go through this 4-5 times, then it'll finally work |
| 00:56.12 | xmx | any ideas? |
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| 00:57.11 | n-iCe | what's the tool to configurate the mouse? |
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| 00:57.18 | epsilon | xmx: black screen, so nothing displayed at all? |
| 00:57.34 | mmnicolas | n-iCe: what do you want to configurate |
| 00:57.43 | n-iCe | moude pad tap |
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| 00:58.01 | xmx | well it says sda5-crypt successful, starts to load something else, but then goes to a black screen real fast |
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| 00:58.27 | epsilon | xmx: sounds grafic issue for me. ca you ping/ssh to the host? |
| 00:58.29 | xmx | and stays at a black screen, then i have to hold the power button, and go through the same process a couple of times, before i get past it |
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| 00:59.25 | xmx | epsilon: yeah I am currently on it right now |
| 00:59.33 | epsilon | if luks/lvm is unhappy with something, it will tell you on screen instead going black |
| 00:59.50 | n-iCe | GConf Error: No D-BUS daemon running |
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| 01:00.10 | n-iCe | how do I solve that |
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| 01:01.25 | mmnicolas | n-iCe: how did it came to this ? this is a freshly installed wheezy with gnome 3 ? |
| 01:01.37 | n-iCe | mmnicolas: I removed gnome3 |
| 01:01.40 | n-iCe | installed openbox |
| 01:02.27 | Arrowmaster | did you just install openbox or did you install LXDE which comes with openbox? |
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| 01:02.35 | n-iCe | openbox |
| 01:02.42 | Arrowmaster | you might have removed too much if you didnt install a DE |
| 01:02.53 | n-iCe | maybe |
| 01:03.01 | n-iCe | No D-BUS daemon running how do I run that daemon or install it? |
| 01:03.16 | Arrowmaster | you could try installing LXDE with aptitude install task-lxde-desktop |
| 01:03.24 | n-iCe | I don't want a DE |
| 01:03.31 | rantic | Arrowmaster: I found this page ... I've added experimental to my sources.list and run apt-get update, now could I just do apt-get -t experimental install <nvidia-stuff> ? :o |
| 01:03.37 | Arrowmaster | ok then youll need to find the package for d-bus and install it |
| 01:03.43 | Arrowmaster | rantic: yes |
| 01:03.48 | rantic | Arrowmaster: This page (http://wiki.debian.org/DebianExperimental#To_install_an_experimental_package) |
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| 01:04.26 | n-iCe | Arrowmaster: can't find it, that's why I ask, you have any idea? |
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| 01:05.02 | Arrowmaster | n-iCe: aptitude install dbus |
| 01:05.17 | n-iCe | of course it is installed |
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| 01:05.24 | n-iCe | dbus is already the newest version. |
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| 01:06.18 | Arrowmaster | oh, then i think you need to do something to run it when openbox starts |
| 01:06.34 | Arrowmaster | but i thought the xorg scripts did that automatically |
| 01:06.34 | n-iCe | that could be |
| 01:06.36 | n-iCe | how do I run it? |
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| 01:07.00 | Arrowmaster | dbus-launch |
| 01:07.09 | rantic | Arrowmaster: erg I really hate to pester you .. but I'm not entirely sure what nvidia packages I actually need .. I found this (http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/nvidia-graphics-drivers) but there are loads of them :( |
| 01:07.20 | n-iCe | Arrowmaster: same error |
| 01:07.27 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: tell rantic about nvidia dkms |
| 01:08.45 | rotifer | rantic, i know this isnt really the best advice probably but to get all the packages that nvidias driver complained about i ended up installing virtualbox-ose |
| 01:08.48 | themill | n-iCe: how are you starting openbox? |
| 01:09.31 | Arrowmaster | rotifer: sounds like you had an issue with the dkms package and kernel header package |
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| 01:09.55 | n-iCe | themill: slim |
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| 01:10.33 | themill | use a decent display manager |
| 01:10.51 | n-iCe | you think that is? |
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| 01:11.34 | rantic | Arrowmaster: I barely understand that command but I'm confused how it uses the 313 drivers from experimental .. or at the very least where I can substitute some of it to point to them :o |
| 01:11.55 | n-iCe | root@debian:/home# service dbus start |
| 01:11.55 | n-iCe | [ ok ] system message bus already started; not starting.. |
| 01:12.53 | Arrowmaster | rantic: youve got the kernel headers already right, then just doing apt-get -t experimental install nvidia-kernel-dkms should work |
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| 01:13.12 | Trel | Does Debian use UFW or is that something specific to ubuntu? |
| 01:13.35 | Arrowmaster | not by default but i believe you can install it |
| 01:14.02 | themill | Trel: ufw is in the debian archive as are a number of other firewall builders. (Also, U is for "Uncomplicated" not "Ubuntu") |
| 01:14.22 | n-iCe | themill: installed dwm, same |
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| 01:14.53 | themill | n-iCe: dwm is not a display manager. |
| 01:15.03 | themill | n-iCe: did you read the release notes btw? |
| 01:15.13 | n-iCe | no, what |
| 01:15.17 | n-iCe | gwm |
| 01:15.22 | n-iCe | gdm ! |
| 01:15.22 | n-iCe | sorry |
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| 01:15.43 | themill | gdm isn't in wheezy. gdm3 perhaps? |
| 01:15.57 | n-iCe | yes |
| 01:16.07 | themill | and you logged out and then logged back in? |
| 01:16.09 | Arrowmaster | or lightdm but that has its own issues too |
| 01:16.21 | n-iCe | themill: yes |
| 01:16.31 | themill | Arrowmaster: some of which are the same as this issue -- not starting dbus and ck on login |
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| 01:17.12 | n-iCe | cd |
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| 01:19.44 | ChibaPet | rantic: You might want to use the dkms package. Things in Experimental won't necessarily be built for what's currently the Wheezy kernel. |
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| 01:20.30 | n-iCe | themill: out of ideas? |
| 01:20.45 | ChibaPet | ranix: However, it's worth questioning what you want from that driver from Experimental. If it's, for example, threaded OpenGL, you might want to verify that someone's gotten it to work with your particular application. |
| 01:20.48 | themill | n-iCe: rebooting would be sensible to make sure all the services you need to be running are actually running |
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| 01:21.08 | n-iCe | themill: do you recommend gdm3 for openbox? |
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| 01:21.29 | themill | I would recommend gdm3 over slim. |
| 01:21.41 | jelly-home | n-iCe: lightdm seems to work well for ubuntu peoples |
| 01:21.56 | themill | lightdm doesn't do consolekit or dbus properly in wheezy |
| 01:21.58 | mmnicolas | if you don't want a a desktop environment chances are the reasons you have also applies to a display manager |
| 01:22.13 | themill | mmnicolas: sure, that doesn't make slim functional. |
| 01:22.19 | jelly-home | themill: who broke it! |
| 01:22.52 | themill | jelly-home: nfc. it's been like that for ages. It's to l33t to properly implement various necessary features. |
| 01:23.01 | ChibaPet | n-iCe: I use LightDM with OpenBox here. Wheezy packages it. |
| 01:23.02 | mmnicolas | I meant, just don't use it, launch your session with startx and .Xsession |
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| 01:23.16 | jelly-home | themill: and yet it works over there, apparently |
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| 01:23.32 | themill | jelly-home: perhaps they're patching it heavily. Or using a different version. |
| 01:23.51 | ChibaPet | n-iCe: Oh, try this, incidentally, from your .xsession: exec ck-launch-session /usr/bin/openbox |
| 01:24.00 | themill | ChibaPet: does that actually work in wheezy? |
| 01:24.09 | n-iCe | that's for my message error? |
| 01:24.14 | themill | allegedly, unprivileged users can't start ck sessions any more? |
| 01:24.36 | ChibaPet | themill: I think I needed it to to get, for instance, Network Manager to run on my netbook. |
| 01:24.47 | ChibaPet | And I definitely use it now, so at the least it's not erroring out. |
| 01:24.48 | jelly-home | uses kdm mostly because he thinks frivolous changing of $XAUTHORITY is uncouth |
| 01:24.49 | themill | ChibaPet: with wheezy? or with squeeze. |
| 01:25.01 | ChibaPet | Wheezy. Haven't used Squeeze for a while. |
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| 01:25.27 | rantic | Arrowmaster: I entered the command from dpkg, restarted and tried to install the nvidia-kernel-dkms package from experimental, however it has already been installed (by the previous command I assume) and is the older version 304.88 |
| 01:25.40 | ChibaPet | I can test this against my netbook to see if nm-applet chokes without it. Half a second and I will. |
| 01:25.44 | rantic | Arrowmaster: I'm not sure how to force an upgrade, i ran apt-get update before hand too |
| 01:25.59 | Arrowmaster | that command should install it from experimental |
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| 01:26.23 | themill | there was quite a long discussion on debian-doc and in a bug against the release notes about how to deal with ck and dbus, which ended up with http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#consolekit |
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| 01:26.34 | n-iCe | ChibaPet: so, exec ck-launch-session /usr/bin/openbox in that .xsession? |
| 01:27.10 | ChibaPet | n-iCe: That's what I do. Testing to see if that's cargo-cult behaviour on my aprt. |
| 01:27.13 | ChibaPet | part* |
| 01:27.19 | mmnicolas | im launching with .xsession on wheezy, dbus and ck are starting without me doing anything |
| 01:27.32 | n-iCe | how do I launch |
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| 01:27.35 | n-iCe | I don't get it |
| 01:27.38 | n-iCe | just startx ? |
| 01:27.53 | mmnicolas | yes |
| 01:28.20 | ChibaPet | n-iCe: I use LightDM. |
| 01:28.26 | ChibaPet | n-iCe: You can also use XDM. |
| 01:28.38 | themill | (xdm has the same problems) |
| 01:28.40 | MrFrood | or lightdm |
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| 01:28.55 | themill | perhaps we should stop suggesting *dm that are known to have this problem? |
| 01:29.05 | Arrowmaster | why do they all have this problem? |
| 01:29.22 | themill | Arrowmaster: because they're being to l33t to bother implementing things like dbus and ck support |
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| 01:29.39 | jelly-home | ... or they don't care about debian |
| 01:29.48 | Arrowmaster | release notes seem to indicate that lightdm supports ck |
| 01:29.48 | ChibaPet | Well, I don't think it's 1337 so much as "dead". |
| 01:29.50 | themill | (or more precisely, Xsession.d) |
| 01:29.51 | n-iCe | so let me delete gdm3 then |
| 01:29.52 | n-iCe | right? |
| 01:30.09 | n-iCe | log out and just use startx |
| 01:30.09 | truko22 | salai pagui o/ |
| 01:30.13 | rantic | Arrowmaster: It just tells me it's already installed ... I also ran aptitude search ~S~i~Aexperimental and nothing is listed |
| 01:30.17 | rantic | hm .. |
| 01:30.23 | n-iCe | wjere is that .xsessions file |
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| 01:30.31 | themill | Arrowmaster: true -- maybe that was fixed in the end. |
| 01:30.34 | rantic | Arrowmaster: I notice I don't see the 313 packages in synaptic either |
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| 01:31.11 | MrFrood | n-iCe: from my xinitrc "exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch openbox-session" |
| 01:31.56 | n-iCe | where is that xinitrc |
| 01:31.58 | n-iCe | can't find it |
| 01:32.20 | ChibaPet | n-iCe: ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession |
| 01:32.20 | MrFrood | same as xsession |
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| 01:32.36 | MrFrood | gn all |
| 01:32.51 | ChibaPet | Night, MrFrood . |
| 01:32.53 | n-iCe | ChibaPet: MrFrood I don't have any of those |
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| 01:32.54 | n-iCe | : o |
| 01:33.06 | ChibaPet | n-iCe: You create them. |
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| 01:33.21 | n-iCe | ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession |
| 01:33.26 | ChibaPet | n-iCe: Most folks are using desktop environments and don't use them. You want to use OpenBox directly, so you want to create one. |
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| 01:33.43 | n-iCe | but which one |
| 01:33.54 | ChibaPet | n-iCe: Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but as I remember, .xinitrc is what startx uses, and .xsession is what a *DM will use. |
| 01:33.58 | MrFrood | xinitrc is for startx, xsession for dm's /me gone |
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| 01:34.07 | n-iCe | ok |
| 01:34.19 | n-iCe | I created it and added: exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch openbox-session |
| 01:34.30 | rantic | If I have added the experimental repositories to my sources.list, run apt-get update and seen it in the list getting updated, however I can't seem to get packages, where would I begin to troubleshoot this? |
| 01:34.32 | n-iCe | should I mark it as executable? |
| 01:34.49 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 01:34.54 | n-iCe | ok dine |
| 01:34.55 | n-iCe | done |
| 01:34.57 | n-iCe | I'm goign to reboot |
| 01:34.59 | ChibaPet | ALSO... Evidently including ck-launch-session is no longer needed in my environment. Either that or LightDM is doing the right thing for me and I needed it when I was still running XDM. |
| 01:34.59 | n-iCe | brb thanks |
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| 01:35.30 | ChibaPet | rantic: You use -t repo to specify that repo for a particular operation. |
| 01:35.46 | ChibaPet | rantic: -t experimental in this case, but I'd still recommend that you question why you want it. :) |
| 01:35.56 | rantic | ChibaPet: I've tried but it's not reflected |
| 01:36.42 | ChibaPet | rantic: Perhaps you can pastebin a sample attempt to install. But, first please say what you want out of 313.30 :) |
| 01:36.44 | rantic | ChibaPet: I'm trying to get the 310 nvidia drivers (or in this case 313 as it stored in the repositories, my card performance is/was disgusting with the 304 drivers). However I'm simply told I'm up to date at 304.88 |
| 01:37.00 | rantic | ChibaPet: I only needed a release after 310.44, anything after ward |
| 01:37.48 | ChibaPet | rantic: What application? |
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| 01:39.00 | rantic | ChibaPet: This was after the official steam release and Linus' comments about Nvidia that they finally made the massive updates to general performance. |
| 01:39.07 | ChibaPet | rantic: So, something I've noted here, running World of Warcraft under Wine, is that for some reason having my CPU governor set to "ondemand" absolutely fails to note the increased demand. |
| 01:39.12 | rantic | ChibaPet: Uhm it's mostly just for video play back ... some selfish gaming |
| 01:39.32 | ChibaPet | rantic: So what I do is wrap games in a script that sets each core to "performance" for the duration of the game. |
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| 01:40.13 | ChibaPet | rantic: For single-threaded apps under Wine, this will be a HUGE boost for you even under 304. All Experimental should give you is the possibility of threaded OpenGL, which is also supposed to be a big win, but which I've failed to get running so far. |
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| 01:40.45 | rantic | ChibaPet: I wasn't planning on running anything under wine : o |
| 01:40.48 | ChibaPet | rantic: Moving away from the default "ondemand" doubles my framerate, by way of example, either either driver. |
| 01:40.57 | ChibaPet | rantic: Isn't that was Steam does? |
| 01:41.20 | Arrowmaster | steam is native |
| 01:41.25 | rantic | ChibaPet: Steam released an official linux client a few months ago |
| 01:41.27 | rantic | with native linux games |
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| 01:41.45 | ChibaPet | Oh, I thought they were just supporting Lignux, but running the games under Wine. Interesting. |
| 01:42.03 | CESSMASTER | hi i saw a car parked today with a new hampshire vanity plate that said DEBIAN |
| 01:42.09 | Arrowmaster | nope, wines not supported at all |
| 01:42.13 | CESSMASTER | is the owner in here |
| 01:42.17 | CESSMASTER | do any of you know him |
| 01:42.29 | ChibaPet | rantic: It *still* might hold true, though - worth checking your CPU governor, for kicks. Way easier than building a Frankdebian if it helps. |
| 01:42.31 | rantic | ChibaPet: Unfortunately a bunch of the games I want to play won't launch unless you're at version 310 or later, I'm just annoying I'm so close |
| 01:42.45 | rantic | ChibaPet: I didn't think it was so franken lol |
| 01:43.03 | ChibaPet | rantic: Alright, well, please paste your result when you try to install, into, say, paste.debian.net |
| 01:43.09 | ChibaPet | And please post your sources.list |
| 01:43.13 | CESSMASTER | i figure anybody with a debian license plate spends a lot of time on irc |
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| 01:45.37 | rantic | ChibaPet: My sources.list, http://pastebin.com/mddXVkyr |
| 01:45.39 | penguin42 | CESSMASTER: Hopefully not while driving |
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| 01:45.57 | n-iCe | done, is working fine with lightdm |
| 01:45.59 | n-iCe | :)) |
| 01:46.09 | ChibaPet | n-iCe: Good, good. Congrats. |
| 01:46.40 | ChibaPet | rantic: One thing I note is that you're only pulling main from experimental, and that's not where the nVidia stuff lives. |
| 01:46.50 | rantic | ChibaPet: http://pastebin.com/XELX6nPu |
| 01:46.52 | rantic | ChibaPet: oh :( |
| 01:47.38 | ChibaPet | rantic: It happens. |
| 01:48.14 | rantic | ChibaPet: I literally installed Debian as my first Linux distribution a few hours ago ... threw the installation stuff on my tablet and went through. I saw that line on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianExperimental#To_install_an_experimental_package and rolled with it |
| 01:48.48 | rantic | ChibaPet: I'm assuming it's from the non-free section since it's nvidias own driver though |
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| 01:49.03 | ChibaPet | rantic: You're awfully close to what you want. And I think it's... Is it contrib? It's either contrib or non-free or both. |
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| 01:50.15 | ChibaPet | rantic: If you get this working and you manage to get threaded OpenGL going, I'd love to know how, incidentally. |
| 01:50.22 | n-iCe | System: Host debian Kernel 3.2.0-4-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop Openbox 3.5.0 Distro Debian GNU/Linux 7.0 |
| 01:50.27 | n-iCe | :D |
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| 01:51.25 | ChibaPet | n-iCe: Now, it's not horrible to add a panel to that. xfce4-panel and lxpanel both have their merits. And I think they committed a patch I sent so the latest xmobar will work with OpenBox now. |
| 01:51.53 | ChibaPet | (They meaning the xmobar people - the xmobar in Wheezy won't quite work with OpenBox.) |
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| 01:52.06 | n-iCe | ChibaPet: tint2 is installed :) |
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| 01:52.43 | ChibaPet | Haven't tried that one. I'll look. |
| 01:52.47 | n-iCe | I love it |
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| 01:54.36 | n-iCe | All I need now is to enable the moude pad tap |
| 01:54.38 | n-iCe | any idea ChibaPet ? |
| 01:54.59 | rantic | ChibaPet: If I can help in any way I'd be glad to, time to test on the reboot |
| 01:55.08 | ChibaPet | rantic: Tell us how it goes. |
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| 01:55.45 | ChibaPet | n-iCe: That might not be possible with bare OpenBox. Looking. Not sure where that functionality lives. |
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| 01:59.11 | ChibaPet | n-iCe: Maybe look here? http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad |
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| 02:00.19 | n-iCe | ChibaPet: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/screenshotfrom201305052.png/ |
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| 02:04.31 | n-iCe | libfm-pref-apps |
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| 02:06.26 | ChibaPet | n-iCe: Looks good. |
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| 02:08.20 | n-iCe | ChibaPet: :) |
| 02:08.28 | n-iCe | How do I install a .deb package with all the dependencies? |
| 02:08.32 | n-iCe | I can't install skype |
| 02:08.44 | gry | isnt it in the unfree repos ? |
| 02:09.09 | ChibaPet | n-iCe: Skype is a mess. If your box is amd64, welcome to multi-arch, for example. |
| 02:09.25 | n-iCe | Im am amd64 |
| 02:09.26 | n-iCe | yes |
| 02:09.28 | themill | gry: "non-free" and no. |
| 02:09.40 | gry | joy |
| 02:09.54 | ChibaPet | n-iCe: check here: http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
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| 02:10.10 | themill | gry: you can't even stick it in non-free when you're not permitted to redistribute the download. |
| 02:10.32 | ChibaPet | n-iCe: Check the "On Debian 7.0" section for instructions. |
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| 02:10.50 | n-iCe | apt-get install ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk, brings me a lot of errors |
| 02:11.00 | n-iCe | ia32-libs : Depends: ia32-libs-i386 but it is not installable ia32-libs-gtk : Depends: ia32-libs-i386 but it is not installable |
| 02:11.28 | ChibaPet | n-iCe: Yeah, you want the multi-arch approach. |
| 02:11.45 | ChibaPet | n-iCe: ia32-libs went away, if I remember correctly. |
| 02:11.52 | themill | ish |
| 02:11.53 | n-iCe | then I don't get it |
| 02:11.58 | n-iCe | that's what it says for amd64 |
| 02:12.06 | themill | n-iCe: did you "dpkg --add-architecture i386" ? |
| 02:12.09 | ChibaPet | n-iCe: Oh, wait, it's still there. Hm. |
| 02:12.30 | n-iCe | yes themill and a lot of errors |
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| 02:12.35 | n-iCe | liek skype depends on libasound2 (>= 1.0.16). |
| 02:12.37 | n-iCe | like |
| 02:12.42 | themill | n-iCe: perhaps you should pastebin the entire thing? |
| 02:12.59 | themill | and "dpkg --add-architecture i386" should not produce errors. |
| 02:13.14 | n-iCe | http://pastebin.com/LWt9RS0z |
| 02:13.34 | ChibaPet | n-iCe: Note that the ia32-libs instruction is from the Debian 6.0 section - that's not the part you want to follow. |
| 02:13.44 | themill | n-iCe: umm... where does it say to do that? |
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| 02:14.10 | n-iCe | oh, did not see the wheezy 7 sections |
| 02:14.14 | n-iCe | let me try |
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| 02:14.49 | ChibaPet | n-iCe: Note that the first section in "Debian 7.0" is for folks running i386 - you want the next bit, and the first part of that where it talks about multi-arch. |
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| 02:15.25 | n-iCe | yup, doing it, thanks! |
| 02:15.58 | ChibaPet | n-iCe: Let me take this opportunity to stress the importance of making back-ups of your system. |
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| 02:19.21 | fekmist | I have been trying to install debian 7.0, but i keep getting this after i select install: http://i.imgur.com/2EGCFig.jpg |
| 02:19.29 | fekmist | anyone have any idea what's going on? |
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| 02:20.58 | ChibaPet | fekmist: Someone might have a better answer, but what I've noted is that you can get odd failures sometimes when your BIOS presents your disks as Legacy when they want to be SATA... or something similar... I forget the naming options. But perhaps check that and see how your disks are being listed. |
| 02:22.07 | ChibaPet | fekmist: If it were my box, I'd think about setting BIOS options to defaults after noting how it's got your disks listed, and then iterating through disk interface options. |
| 02:22.36 | ChibaPet | fekmist: Building my wife's machine not horribly long ago I had to do that or the disks would randomly become unresponsive. |
| 02:23.29 | ChibaPet | fekmist: If by some chance that's actually referring to your install media, you might check that as well, and possibly try USB if you're installing via CD, or vice versa. |
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| 02:25.07 | jgiorgi | how (where?) does chromium/google-chrome store saved passwords and form data? using deb-stable and xfce if it matters |
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| 02:25.25 | n-iCe | works, thanks themill ChibaPet :) |
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| 02:25.53 | fekmist | I have yet to set my board's settings to default so I'll give that a shot. Important for me to mention too that I've tried USB which gives me the same result and also this happens with any GNU + Linux distro I try to install. |
| 02:26.04 | ChibaPet | n-iCe: Good, good. Enjoy. |
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| 02:26.38 | ChibaPet | fekmist: Could be BIOS settings for your drives. This is just a guess. |
| 02:27.04 | fekmist | ChibaPet: Thanks for the advice. |
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| 02:32.01 | seeker61 | i have loaded samba, i can see my network printer, i have a domain but do not see any shares -- other computers on the network what am i missing |
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| 02:34.20 | jgiorgi | is it possible to force an unmount? ie to ignore that the volume is in use and just dump it (understanding possible filesystem damage) |
| 02:34.29 | seeker61 | other computers on network are windows |
| 02:34.36 | ChibaPet | jgiorgi: If you must, you can say umount -f |
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| 02:35.10 | ChibaPet | seeker61: If no one chimes in tonight, might be worth asking again tomorrow during busier hours. |
| 02:35.35 | seeker61 | chibaPet: ok thanks |
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| 02:36.24 | jgiorgi | ChibaPet, device or resource busy, note this is a truecrypt volume |
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| 02:36.57 | ChibaPet | jgiorgi: Ah, sorry, unfamiliar with truecrypt and what that might add to the situation. |
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| 02:40.02 | jgiorgi | ChibaPet, well, i think the -l flag did it with umount, truecrypt is unhappy but the volume is no longer accessible which was the goal |
| 02:40.14 | jgiorgi | in a roundabout way you got me on the right path, ty |
| 02:41.05 | ChibaPet | jgornick: Interesting - I'd never seen -l before. |
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| 02:41.52 | ChibaPet | jgornick: If this is a security concern, note that it's quite possible data can still be accessed by examining active inodes and so forth. |
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| 02:45.38 | w0rm-_x | Hi, I am using this command < /dev/urandom tr -dc _A-Z | head -c1 to generate a random uppercase letter, I understand what is going on, only I don't get it why "<" is at the beginning rather than after /dev/urandom (i.e. /dev/urandom >) |
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| 02:47.12 | ChibaPet | w0rm-_x: Positioning is flexible. tr is the command, and the redirection applies to it whether it's in front or back of the command. |
| 02:47.57 | maher | mysql doesn't seem to want to start itself after my wheezy upgrade - how do I get it do show some useful debug info about why it won't start? |
| 02:48.25 | ChibaPet | w0rm-_x: Positioning matters more if you have things that impact each other - like, > /dev/null 2>&1, which does two different things depending on the order. |
| 02:48.38 | themill | maher: what does /var/log/daemon.log show? |
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| 02:49.23 | ChibaPet | And with that, g'night, all. |
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| 02:50.10 | maher | themill: oops - syslog went missing somehow... |
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| 02:52.29 | w0rm-_x | ChibaPet, thanks :) |
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| 02:54.56 | ChibaPet | w0rm-_x: Also, just noticed another thing you wrote... "/dev/urandom >" wouldn't work because that's saying /dev/urandom is a command that should send its STDOUT somewhere unspecified, but it's not a command. |
| 02:55.49 | ChibaPet | "cat /dev/urandom | something" is closer to that, but the for of "command < /dev/urandom" or your slightly less using "< /dev/urandom command" is better. |
| 02:56.09 | ChibaPet | Alright, really gone now. =disappears in a puff of greasy black smoke= |
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| 03:00.25 | Towzzer | chi chi chi chia |
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| 03:02.13 | maher | themill: ok - now is says [ERROR] Unknown/unsupported storage engine: InnoDB |
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| 03:06.57 | themill | maher: you don't have innodb disabled in /etc/mysql/my.cnf or /etc/mysql/conf.d/ do you? |
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| 03:07.09 | n-iCe | how do I launch nautilus? |
| 03:07.20 | n-iCe | can't find it |
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| 03:09.09 | Towzzer | maher, in mysql "SHOW ENGINES;" |
| 03:09.13 | maher | themill: yes i do |
| 03:09.22 | n-iCe | solved |
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| 03:14.50 | themill | maher: mysql conveniently changed the default storage engine from myisam to innodb for version 5.5. Fun ensues. |
| 03:15.11 | sacredchao | I am trying to run Gimp 2.8 on Debian sid amd64, but it won't show up in the GUI |
| 03:15.15 | maher | themill: can i still you myisam? |
| 03:15.16 | Towzzer | but wasn't that a long time coming? |
| 03:15.25 | sacredchao | So I try to run it on the CLI but as soon as I type gimp + enter it returns me to a new prompt |
| 03:15.26 | Towzzer | why use myisam, it's slower |
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| 03:15.29 | maher | themill: s/you/use/ |
| 03:15.34 | sacredchao | no error... 2.4.8-1 is installed |
| 03:15.38 | themill | maher: yes |
| 03:15.43 | maher | Towzzer: i don't care i want mysql to start |
| 03:15.49 | maher | themill: how do i do that? |
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| 03:16.09 | themill | maher: just get rid of the skip-innodb from your config |
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| 03:18.30 | maher | themill: i can a bunch of errors like: InnoDB: Error: trying to access tablespace |
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| 03:28.46 | GinTonicool | where can i paste my questions to? |
| 03:29.08 | GinTonicool | what is the paste link ? |
| 03:29.18 | apm1 | paste.debian.net |
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| 03:29.34 | themill | You ask questions in this channel. If you need to show commands and output, you put them in paste.debian.net. |
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| 03:33.27 | cryosphere | installed deb7 with xfce - acpi can't figure if I'm plugged in or not - any ideas? |
| 03:34.30 | GinTonicool | http://paste.debian.net/2333/ help me please ,thank a lot |
| 03:34.37 | apm1 | cryosphere, lack of acpi support in 3.2for your laptop i think |
| 03:35.05 | cryosphere | i upgraded to precompiled 3.7 |
| 03:35.19 | apm1 | cryosphere, what laptop is it ? |
| 03:35.23 | themill | GinTonicool: what are you actually trying to do here? |
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| 03:35.25 | cryosphere | tried to compile 3.9, failed, too many options to figur eout |
| 03:35.29 | cryosphere | samsung series 9 |
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| 03:36.03 | cryosphere | 900X3D |
| 03:36.09 | apm1 | cryosphere, no idea pal sorry :( |
| 03:36.34 | GinTonicool | themill ,i 'm installing a software ,but it shows errors ,can you help me ? |
| 03:36.52 | cryosphere | where is the president of debian? I want to mail this laptop to him to fix |
| 03:37.10 | apm1 | cryosphere, we don't have a president |
| 03:37.18 | themill | GinTonicool: it might help to know what it is you're compiling. |
| 03:37.19 | cryosphere | sorry, old trolling habits |
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| 03:37.54 | cryosphere | seems like this is know bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi/+bug/971061 |
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| 03:38.51 | GinTonicool | themill , i'm compiling and installing a DNS client |
| 03:39.45 | themill | GinTonicool: if you don't want to provide any more information than what is in that pastebin, then all I can tell you is that it looks like there is an error in their C code and you should talk to the people who wrote it. |
| 03:39.46 | GinTonicool | i use this client ,so that i can get a net address so others can find my sites,,it's free |
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| 03:41.35 | apm1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.45 | apm1 | oh shit leak |
| 03:41.56 | GinTonicool | themill ,look at this http://paste.debian.net/2334/ |
| 03:42.03 | maher | apm1: old school |
| 03:42.09 | apm1 | maher, yeah |
| 03:42.29 | themill | GinTonicool: yes, that just tells me that there's a problem in that C code that you need to fix. |
| 03:42.32 | cryosphere | is there chartroom or some other resourse that can help me figure out the various kernel compilation settings or provide machine,kernel version specific .config files? |
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| 03:42.50 | apm1 | cryosphere, #kernel |
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| 03:44.26 | GinTonicool | themill ,do you know how to fix it ? |
| 03:45.22 | themill | GinTonicool: not without seeing the C code... Perhaps you should ask ##C what's wrong with the code, but you'll need to actually show it to them |
| 03:45.30 | themill | GinTonicool: mind reading over IRC is pretty hard |
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| 03:50.04 | themill | GinTonicool: Perhaps you could also decide if this is a Debian question or an Ubuntu one and ask only in the correct channel. |
| 03:50.43 | themill | GinTonicool: (and seriously, until you actually provide useful information, you're not going to get a better answer than "your C code is wrong") |
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| 03:51.23 | hesco | I've never seen this message before: https://gist.github.com/hesco/5523260 |
| 03:51.46 | hesco | apt-get install says it wants to remove apt. what's up with that? |
| 03:52.08 | themill | apt-get install what? and what's in your sources.list? /msg dpkg bat |
| 03:52.23 | hesco | install perl-doc |
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| 03:53.23 | themill | hesco: and the output of "apt-cache policy perl-doc apt perl; apt-cache policy" is … |
| 03:53.54 | themill | The fact that you have "631 not upgraded" should raise a flag for you |
| 03:55.11 | hesco | themill: https://gist.github.com/hesco/5523260 has been updated to respond to your questions |
| 03:55.32 | themill | ahh... you should never use "stable" in your sources.list |
| 03:55.49 | themill | though that was likely to be the answer today |
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| 03:56.52 | sacredchao | themill: What's wrong with 'stable' if you only want to run stable releases? |
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| 03:57.13 | hesco | themill: you mean 'stable' instead of 'squeeze-updates' ??? |
| 03:57.24 | themill | sacredchao: on Saturday, stable was squeeze; today, stable is wheezy. See the results in hesco's paste. |
| 03:57.35 | themill | hesco: no, you should use "squeeze" not "stable". |
| 03:57.49 | hesco | ah, ok, updating that now |
| 03:58.07 | hesco | so wheezy got rolled out recently? is that what I am seeing here? |
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| 03:58.09 | themill | hesco: when you are ready to upgrade to wheezy, you should read the release notes and follow the instructions on how to upgrade to wheezy safely. |
| 03:58.21 | themill | hesco: /topic |
| 03:58.32 | hesco | thanks, got it. that won't be tonight though |
| 03:58.52 | mniip | nm-applet shows 'device not managed', i've tried googling this, all results say to edit /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf but i don't have such a file |
| 03:58.53 | themill | hesco: indeed. And that's why you never use "stable" in your sources.list |
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| 03:59.38 | sacredchao | themill: I see, well, it shouldn't work if it's not recommended |
| 03:59.53 | sacredchao | testing and unstable make sense to define using those words as they are rolling releases |
| 04:00.12 | sacredchao | but I can see 'stable' in sources.list causing unsuspecting shock to systems at release time |
| 04:00.23 | themill | sacredchao: there are lots of things you can do with your debian box that aren't recommended but they are still possible to do |
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| 04:00.37 | hesco | thanks, themill. a one package install is far closer to what I expected here |
| 04:00.56 | themill | indeed :) |
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| 04:04.28 | hesco | do I read that correctly? Will Wheezy upgrade my perl to 5.14? |
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| 04:04.40 | themill | hesco: yes |
| 04:04.53 | hesco | sweet, that's been a long time coming |
| 04:05.19 | hesco | wonder if it will fix the perl debugger as well |
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| 04:05.59 | hesco | at the office where we are still using perl 5.6 the perl-d works fine. at home on 5.10, its completely unusable |
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| 04:08.00 | mniip | anyone?.. |
| 04:08.01 | cryosphere | any thought/warnings on using a precompiled ubuntu kernel on debian |
| 04:08.24 | cryosphere | I've done it before, but I wanted to know if that was something idiotic |
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| 04:08.56 | hesco | cryosphere: I have not done it before, but would want to start on a VM, not any machine I depended on |
| 04:09.10 | themill | mniip: squeeze? wheezy? What's in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 04:09.15 | apm1 | cryosphere, nothing wrong wrong with it |
| 04:09.16 | mniip | wheezy |
| 04:09.30 | somiaj | cryosphere: provided the kernel has all the features required by debian it should be fine, but it isn't recomended. Why do you want to use a ubuntu kernel on debian? |
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| 04:09.44 | cryosphere | hesco: acpi issues |
| 04:09.52 | cryosphere | that are machine specific |
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| 04:10.21 | mniip | themill, http://codepad.org/sHzyNyLm |
| 04:10.22 | cryosphere | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi/+bug/971061 |
| 04:10.46 | cryosphere | can't detect if the powerline is plugged in |
| 04:11.11 | cryosphere | and certain sequence of pm-suspend pluging/unplugin the power supply |
| 04:11.17 | cryosphere | will actually cause it to crash |
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| 04:11.39 | themill | mniip: you should be able to comment out every line from line 8 onwards in that file and then restart. Then n-m will manage your devices quite happily. |
| 04:11.42 | somiaj | cryosphere: and why does the ubuntu kernel work? Is it a version thing, or do you need to change some compile time config options? |
| 04:11.57 | cryosphere | somaij - no idea that it will |
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| 04:12.11 | somiaj | cyberspace-: what version of debian and kernel are you running on? |
| 04:12.12 | cryosphere | and I don't wnat to compile one |
| 04:12.28 | cryosphere | wheezy, 3.2 |
| 04:12.35 | mniip | themill, ok, restarting |
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| 04:13.38 | cryosphere | also, no lid closure detection, again this seems to be a common bug, and from from past exprience I drawn to upgrading the kernel as the first step in dealing with laptop hw recogniztion issues |
| 04:14.03 | cryosphere | well I tried to compile 3.9 and failed |
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| 04:14.49 | somiaj | cryosphere: I'm trying to see what version of the upstream kernel it says that was fixed, I see someone said 3.5 fixed it |
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| 04:15.14 | cryosphere | debian kernel? |
| 04:15.16 | somiaj | cryosphere: you can most likely (I haven't tested this but I belive it will work) grab the 3.8 kernel from experimeintial while you wait for an offically backported kernel for wheezy |
| 04:15.18 | cryosphere | in sid? |
| 04:15.26 | themill | 3.8 from experimental works with wheezy if you want |
| 04:15.36 | cryosphere | ok that makes sense, thanks |
| 04:15.40 | somiaj | cryosphere: no I was reading that bugreport you linked, trying to see in the upstream linux kernel if it was fixed (Because that is where it needs to be fixed) |
| 04:16.47 | cryosphere | ok, I'll the 3.8 from experimental |
| 04:17.23 | somiaj | cryosphere: the bug reports seem to be inconculsive to me if they have a fix in the newer kernel version |
| 04:17.34 | somiaj | cryosphere: I did read that you should make sure your bios is upto date |
| 04:17.54 | mniip | themill, now it says 'wireless is disabled by hardware switch' |
| 04:18.02 | mniip | also dns is not owrking for whatever reason |
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| 04:18.12 | somiaj | mniip: do you have a hardware swtich, many laptops do |
| 04:18.29 | mniip | i don't think so |
| 04:18.38 | themill | mniip: do you have a little hardware switch on the laptop of a key combination like Fn+F5 to toggle the wireless on/off? |
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| 04:19.19 | mniip | no |
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| 04:20.40 | themill | mniip: is this a laptop or a netbook or something? |
| 04:20.46 | mniip | netbook |
| 04:21.03 | themill | then it will have a wireless switch *somewhere* |
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| 04:21.56 | wushu | hey guys, does anyone have time to help me with some iptables rules. I am kinda stuck |
| 04:22.02 | cryosphere | somiaj: it comes back with a bios update |
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| 04:22.56 | mniip | damn |
| 04:23.24 | mniip | @-@ |
| 04:23.40 | mniip | i can't connect to anything outside my lan |
| 04:23.45 | Rusty1 | mniip: has : rfkill unblock all, as root , been tried? |
| 04:24.01 | mniip | bash: rfkill: command not found |
| 04:24.07 | cryosphere | how do I keep xfdesktop from startin up |
| 04:24.48 | truexfan81 | crap |
| 04:24.55 | mniip | well damnit |
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| 04:25.06 | mniip | The following NEW packages will be installed: rfkill |
| 04:25.08 | mniip | Could not resolve 'ftp.us.debian.org' |
| 04:25.31 | truexfan81 | channel change shortcut for irssi is the same as changing to the next tty, so i can't use the shortcut when not in x |
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| 04:25.52 | truexfan81 | alt+left or alt+right |
| 04:26.06 | truexfan81 | any way to change this shortcut in debian? |
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| 04:26.46 | somiaj | truexfan81: ctrl-n and ctrl-p (next and privious) work for you? |
| 04:26.59 | truexfan81 | that works |
| 04:27.01 | truexfan81 | ty |
| 04:27.04 | xmx | Hi, I installed wheezy, and sometimes when it boots up, it goes to a black screen, and doesn't do anything til I power it off. It'll do this anywhere from 2-5 times before it will finally boot up normal. Any ideas? it seems to happen at different times during the boot up |
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| 04:27.57 | somiaj | xmx: so xorg isn't loading correctly? check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see what is happening, or disable your display manager until you debug this. |
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| 04:29.51 | mniip | ok, i've installed rfkill via .deb |
| 04:29.53 | truexfan81 | somiaj on my netbook alt+p is working, alt+n is not |
| 04:30.01 | themill | mniip: are you ircing from that machine? |
| 04:30.01 | mniip | rfkill unblock all prints nothing |
| 04:30.13 | mniip | themill, i have a bouncer in my local network |
| 04:30.16 | themill | ah |
| 04:30.36 | xmx | somiaj: can I pastebin the results for you? I am not to sure if there are errors or not. |
| 04:30.55 | somiaj | xmx: well I need to see one from a time it didn't work |
| 04:30.58 | mniip | and yes |
| 04:31.02 | mniip | atm i'm on this machine |
| 04:32.20 | truexfan81 | somiaj: actually alt+n doesn't work on my pc either, so i think that is not a valid shortcut |
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| 04:33.50 | mniip | themill, also |
| 04:33.59 | mniip | http://mniip.com/qp/f000000DC |
| 04:34.42 | xmx | somiaj: there is only two logs there, i could paste them both |
| 04:34.48 | xmx | its a fresh install |
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| 04:35.16 | mniip | brb |
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| 04:35.47 | mniip | bcak |
| 04:35.52 | themill | mniip: so there's a hardware switch on that thing somewhere you need to flip |
| 04:36.04 | mniip | but how could it turn on |
| 04:36.13 | mniip | it worked fine before |
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| 04:37.40 | xmx | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/YufAnjGc this one is Xorg.0.log.old .. http://pastebin.com/0rnhGs9w and this one is just Xorg.0.log |
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| 04:44.50 | cryosphere | ok just booted into ubuntu's 3.9 kernel |
| 04:44.59 | cryosphere | everything is the same |
| 04:45.20 | cryosphere | at least nothing else broke |
| 04:45.27 | surfn_ | lightweight, commandline based webcam program - any suggestions? |
| 04:45.30 | cryosphere | should have bought a lenovo |
| 04:45.35 | surfn_ | fswebcam isn't working really well for me |
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| 04:47.41 | mniip | ok some googling and another attempt |
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| 04:49.19 | cryosphere | so I have wheezy now, I added the sid repo line in my sources.list to get compiz |
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| 04:49.54 | cryosphere | should comment it out or leave it now, I concerned that it might confuse apt-get in the long run |
| 04:51.11 | mniip | duh |
| 04:51.35 | mniip | resetting bios to default, then removing the battery worked |
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| 04:51.53 | mniip | thanks for trying to help anyway |
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| 04:58.35 | debian_IT | how can i check my network interfaces?\ |
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| 05:00.03 | dioz | check them for what? |
| 05:00.06 | dioz | ip ad sh |
| 05:00.08 | dioz | ifconfig -a |
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| 05:01.05 | debian_IT | ok thanks |
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| 05:05.11 | surfn_ | sorry to ask again: what webcam viewer should I use? LXDE - thinking lightweight |
| 05:06.33 | debian_IT | thans |
| 05:06.35 | debian_IT | thanks |
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| 05:23.54 | jgiorgi | attempting to change ownership of some files in /opt (due to a mistake made when moving them to a new partition) as root i still get operation not permitted |
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| 05:26.01 | boudiccas | jgiorgi: chown:chown $USER /filed/in/poohbar |
| 05:26.45 | jgiorgi | boudiccas, chown:chown? command not found |
| 05:27.28 | jgiorgi | does the file system matter? type is fat32 |
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| 05:30.01 | boudiccas | jgiorgi: run it as root, who said anything about the file system? |
| 05:32.01 | themill | fat32 doesn't support ownership -- ownership is faked in through a mount-time option |
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| 05:33.08 | jgiorgi | themill, that makes sense, i didnt unmount, just assigned another point |
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| 06:21.38 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i installed wheezy on a flash drive and tried it on two different computers. on computer A gnome works fine but on computer B, i get the following error: "a problem has occurred and the system cannot recover".....i'm in Ubuntu and i ran lspci and i got this: "VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Device 9903" how do i fix it? |
| 06:22.36 | themill | paranoidphreak: jm_ asked you for further details earler -- perhaps you could answer him |
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| 06:28.26 | nohitall | oh man I dreamed about wheezy tonight |
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| 06:29.20 | themill | nohitall: did the nasty little penguin chase after you? |
| 06:29.48 | nohitall | no it was about my problem yesterday lol |
| 06:29.54 | nohitall | but cant rly remember |
| 06:29.59 | nohitall | as always, very mixed dreams |
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| 06:34.30 | paranoidphreak | themill: thanks |
| 06:34.54 | paranoidphreak | for referring me to the right person |
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| 06:45.31 | mikunos | Hi guys after the upgrade of the system I get this error: E: Conf Broken libgcc1:i386 |
| 06:45.38 | mikunos | what have I to do? |
| 06:47.33 | nkuttler | mikunos: after which command do you get that error? |
| 06:47.53 | mikunos | nkuttler apt-get upgrade |
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| 06:50.41 | oneand0 | mikunos, if memory serves me right, dpkg -i --force depends, or --force-configure-any libgcc1:i386 might be useful to get things moving along |
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| 06:51.55 | oneand0 | mikunos, suggest you first try and determine what dependency is triggering this, before using --force though |
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| 06:52.53 | mikunos | how can I discover them? |
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| 06:54.30 | oneand0 | mikunos, apt-get install libgcc1:i386 should give some error messages to lead things off |
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| 06:55.34 | mikunos | apt-get install libgcc1:i386 shows me 15 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 267 not upgraded. |
| 06:56.24 | oneand0 | mikunos, and apt-get upgrade gives the error you mentioned ? |
| 06:56.32 | mikunos | yes |
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| 06:57.30 | mikunos | now the apt-get upgrade shows me http://pastie.org/pastes/7807321/text |
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| 06:58.33 | oneand0 | mikunos, do you have held packages? I suspect something is broken as a dependency somewhere |
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| 06:59.26 | mikunos | I suspect that the last upgrade doesn't upgrade the system |
| 06:59.28 | oneand0 | mikunos, maybe try aptitude and see it it prompts any solution for the broken packages? |
| 06:59.45 | mikunos | I am using a shell window |
| 06:59.49 | oneand0 | mikunos, also, maybe consider apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 07:00.06 | oneand0 | aptitude is curses bases, will work on a shell |
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| 07:01.54 | mikunos | the apt-get dist-upgrade shows me all packages that I thought already installed as to be installed |
| 07:02.06 | mikunos | sorry for my bad english |
| 07:02.47 | oneand0 | mikunos, does apt-get check say anything interesting ? |
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| 07:03.24 | mikunos | yes it says that there are new packages to be install and upgrade |
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| 07:03.28 | nohitall | so I try a dist-upgrade in VM now, wonder what will happen |
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| 07:03.46 | mikunos | but yesterday I have already done it |
| 07:03.50 | mikunos | really odd |
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| 07:04.33 | oneand0 | mikunos, possibly a bad download of a file, caused it to be in a broken state, it should reset once you complete it |
| 07:04.52 | themill | mikunos: are you currently trying to do squeeze->wheezy there? How far into the upgrade have you got? |
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| 07:06.04 | nohitall | I am confused, shouldnt I just do dist-upgrade? |
| 07:06.18 | nohitall | or aint it ready yet? |
| 07:06.26 | themill | nohitall: from what to what? |
| 07:06.32 | nohitall | squeeze to wheezy |
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| 07:07.04 | nohitall | ah nvm |
| 07:07.07 | nohitall | my fault |
| 07:07.17 | mikunos | themill I don't know the name of the release |
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| 07:08.37 | themill | mikunos: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy apt dpkg perl libc6; apt-cache policy" in a pastebin, please? |
| 07:08.48 | apm1 | where did the buiness card iso for wheezy go ? |
| 07:08.56 | themill | apm1: they are no longer. |
| 07:09.13 | apm1 | :( |
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| 07:09.25 | themill | dpkg: tell apm1 about bc dropped |
| 07:09.37 | mikunos | by the way http://pastie.org/7807366 |
| 07:09.59 | mikunos | themill ^^^ |
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| 07:10.04 | themill | ugh. |
| 07:10.51 | themill | mikunos: for future reference, *never* use "stable" in your sources.list. If you want to run 6.0 (squeeze), use "squeeze". If you want 7.0 (wheezy) use "wheezy" and read the release notes about how to upgrade between the two releases. |
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| 07:11.22 | mikunos | themill thanks |
| 07:11.44 | mikunos | themill I thought that stable means stable relase |
| 07:11.48 | mikunos | release |
| 07:11.59 | themill | sure, but which release is the stable release changes |
| 07:12.09 | mikunos | the latest |
| 07:12.38 | themill | yeah, but just leaving "stable" there is not going to magically land you in the new stable. It's going to magically land you in a mess. |
| 07:12.40 | themill | like this. |
| 07:12.51 | themill | mikunos: at this stage, you need to complete the upgrade to wheezy. Start by changing all mentions of "stable" and "squeeze" to "wheezy" in /etc/apt/sources.list. Then run "apt-get update". |
| 07:13.35 | mikunos | themill ok |
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| 07:14.32 | themill | mikunos: one that completes without error, run "apt-get dist-upgrade" and then we hope that apt manages to calculate a suitable upgrade path from here |
| 07:15.36 | mikunos | look my source list http://pastie.org/7807376 |
| 07:16.21 | mikunos | is it correct ? |
| 07:16.47 | themill | mikunos: get rid of line 18. You might want to add "contrib non-free" to all the other lines if you're using packages from those repositories. |
| 07:17.36 | mikunos | does the 18 line override the other? |
| 07:18.03 | mikunos | overrides |
| 07:18.15 | themill | no, it's just redundant at the moment and could lead to you having exactly the same problem again in 2 years time |
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| 07:18.57 | mikunos | apt-get update statrs |
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| 07:19.00 | mikunos | starts |
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| 07:19.24 | mikunos | ok done |
| 07:19.27 | mikunos | no errors |
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| 07:20.12 | mikunos | http://pastie.org/7807389 |
| 07:20.22 | mikunos | ^^^ themill |
| 07:20.57 | m0rph3us | is best to put in /etc/apt/sources.list the 'stable' repository or 'squeezy' or is the same (now in debian 7.0 wheezy) |
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| 07:21.47 | TriJetScud | I'm looking for the git repo for the kernel used in Debian |
| 07:22.02 | TriJetScud | can someone please give me a hint where I can find it? ;) |
| 07:22.09 | mikunos | #Git updated resource TriJetScud |
| 07:22.10 | mikunos | #deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian sid main |
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| 07:22.48 | TriJetScud | actually I'm looking for the git tree itself |
| 07:22.51 | TriJetScud | not a mirror |
| 07:23.36 | themill | TriJetScud: the debian kernel packages are in svn not git. apt-cache showsrc linux |
| 07:23.50 | TriJetScud | oh great |
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| 07:24.11 | themill | mikunos: can you pastebin the entire output of "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade" for me? |
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| 07:26.10 | mikunos | themill yes http://pastie.org/7807403 |
| 07:26.48 | mikunos | http://pastie.org/7807406 |
| 07:26.58 | themill | I don't understand -- that output is completely inconsistent with your first paste you showed me |
| 07:27.21 | themill | mikunos: what does "apt-cache policy apt dpkg perl libc6; apt-cache policy" say now? |
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| 07:28.09 | mikunos | themill http://pastie.org/7807409 |
| 07:28.14 | TriJetScud | meh I'm probably better off introducing my existing custom kernel anyways for wheezy on hyper-v |
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| 07:28.48 | themill | mikunos: hmm... so you did a dist-upgrade somewhere in the middle of all that, I guess. All good. That looks fine now. |
| 07:29.06 | mikunos | yes I have told you before |
| 07:29.16 | mikunos | I have executed in the meanwhile the upgrade |
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| 07:29.31 | themill | oh ok. |
| 07:29.35 | mikunos | after the suggestion of the source file |
| 07:29.46 | mikunos | thanks themill |
| 07:30.16 | themill | no worries. Enjoy |
| 07:30.38 | mikunos | last question: have I to reboot the pc? |
| 07:31.04 | mikunos | It has upgraded many packages |
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| 07:32.56 | themill | mikunos: what does "aptitude versions ~nlinux-image~i" say? |
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| 07:34.22 | mikunos | themill http://codepad.org/nHOZcSBU |
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| 07:35.00 | themill | mikunos: so you've got a new kernel installed there -- you would want to reboot into it, yes. |
| 07:35.19 | mikunos | ok |
| 07:35.22 | mikunos | thanks themill |
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| 07:52.14 | kleind | Hi there. I am in the middle of migrating a machine from squeeze to wheezy. There are some squeeze packages that are marked as automatically installed but nothing depends on it, so aptitude tries to remove them. If I decline this, the package still changes state into "automatically installed: no" and aptitude does not try to remove it afterwards. I'm unsure whether to consider this a bug. |
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| 07:52.46 | kleind | This happens while still on squeeze. |
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| 07:54.44 | themill | kleind: you're better of using apt-get for squeeze->wheezy rather than aptitude btw. You can always go back over them with deborphan afterwards to clean it up |
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| 07:55.48 | kleind | themill: I'll look into that. Thanks. |
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| 07:57.13 | jelly-home | TriJetScud: did you find anything wrong with the default 3.2 one? |
| 07:57.14 | ompaul | kleind: did you apt-get dist-upgrade or did you upgrade? |
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| 07:57.30 | ompaul | kleind: what themill said |
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| 08:03.46 | h00ked | its weird... chmod -R 7777 /var/www/ will not change anything... using it under root... |
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| 08:07.21 | anddam | when going from squeeze to wheezy the squeeze-backports entries just become wheezy-backports, right? |
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| 08:07.53 | themill | dpkg: tell anddam about wheezy-backports |
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| 08:08.51 | anddam | thanks |
| 08:08.58 | Tsuki_ | Hi All: I have deb6 running with ISPconfig3 on it. Anyone experience with upgrading that to deb7? |
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| 08:13.26 | anddam | themill: I also had squeeze-updates and squeeze/updates (and found those names very confusing) the <security> factoid hasn't changed yes, what should I do with them? |
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| 08:14.58 | themill | anddam: s/squeeze/wheezy/ is enough for them (will update that factoid now, thanks) |
| 08:15.01 | anddam | also isn't aptitude the preferred interface nowadays? why does the factoid suggests apt-get |
| 08:15.03 | anddam | ? |
| 08:15.18 | anddam | s/suggests/suggest/ |
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| 08:18.59 | themill | anddam: no, aptitude is not the best way to update between releases (and it wasn't for lenny->squeeze either) |
| 08:20.37 | Sevet | themill: wheezy->jessie also mentions squeeze |
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| 08:22.13 | Ephexeve_laptop | Hey guys, since debian 7 there is no Compiz in the repo, is there a way I can install it? |
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| 08:24.05 | themill | Sevet: thanks, fixed. |
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| 08:24.40 | Tsuki_ | Ephexeve_laptop: http://askubuntu.com/questions/166524/how-to-build-compiz-from-source |
| 08:25.09 | colo-work | we're using apt-cacher-ng, and it happens to segfault/crash once every few weeks. the hardware/host it runs on is considered stable - is there a viable alternative for it available? |
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| 08:25.43 | Ephexeve_laptop | Tsuki_: Hmm so I guess that's the only way |
| 08:26.25 | Tsuki_ | Ephexeve_laptop: it's a way ;0) |
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| 08:26.55 | themill | Sevet: we updated close to 100 factoids for the release -- I'm sure we missed more. |
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| 08:27.05 | Ephexeve_laptop | Tsuki_: Yea, just sometimes I dislike the source, due when uninstalling and etc :( |
| 08:27.08 | Ephexeve_laptop | oh welll |
| 08:27.30 | themill | colo-work: acng is the best one I've found :( If you just restart it weekly from cron does it behave better? |
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| 08:27.48 | themill | colo-work: also, disabling pdiffs on the apt clients is rumoured to help it |
| 08:28.01 | Tsuki_ | Ephexeve_laptop: I don't mind working with the source, it gives you an opportunity to config it the way you want it |
| 08:28.04 | colo-work | themill, haven't tried yet, but I was planning to resort to this (restarting via cron) |
| 08:28.28 | themill | colo-work: ugly but perhaps effective. |
| 08:28.30 | Ephexeve_laptop | Tsuki_: Well, perhaps I just just too pissed due Gentoo :p |
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| 08:28.49 | Tsuki_ | Ephexeve_laptop: Huh? |
| 08:28.50 | Mmike | I have a box where I pull some stuff from squeeze-backports. The other day (maybe a week ago) I added 'wheezy' to sources.list, but I put in apt.conf this: 'APT::Default-Release "squeeze";' But now apt-get upgrade wants to upgrade packages from squeeze-backports to the wheezy version. What did I do wrong? |
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| 08:29.06 | Tsuki_ | Ephexeve_laptop: Gentoo rocks! |
| 08:29.14 | Ephexeve_laptop | Tsuki_: Perhaps I dislike source because I am a gentoo users, yes I know, it kicks ass |
| 08:29.36 | Ephexeve_laptop | but at somepoint, when it takes ~2 days to compile stuff, and then FAIL, you are just too pissed about it :p |
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| 08:30.10 | Tsuki_ | Ephexeve_laptop: lol, but when you get it done it runs as smooth as a baby's skin |
| 08:30.18 | Ephexeve_laptop | Exactly |
| 08:30.26 | Ephexeve_laptop | I am not sure weather I should move from Gentoo t oDebian |
| 08:30.39 | Ephexeve_laptop | Since I dislike that debian just takes stuff from the repo :( |
| 08:30.44 | Ephexeve_laptop | like compiz |
| 08:30.58 | Ephexeve_laptop | I mean, I understand it's "stable", but a bit too "stable" |
| 08:31.03 | jelly-home | Ephexeve_laptop: debian puts stuff in the repo, debian takes it away |
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| 08:32.36 | jelly-home | Ephexeve_laptop: as for compiz, it seems noone really cared about the package, and uncared packages often get removed for being too buggy or too old |
| 08:32.53 | Tsuki_ | Ephexeve_laptop: I loved Gentoo (and still do) i went with debian for the quick installs |
| 08:33.39 | Ephexeve_laptop | Exactly, yes, but other than compiz, what would be a nice alternative? |
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| 08:34.24 | Tsuki_ | Ephexeve_laptop: to what? |
| 08:34.36 | truexfan81 | Ephexeve_laptop: if you install kwin it has about 90% of the features compiz has and is more stable |
| 08:34.51 | truexfan81 | Ephexeve_laptop: its in the repos as kde-window-manager |
| 08:35.01 | Ephexeve_laptop | kwin? Uh! never heard about it, I would like to use it with XFCE, would that work |
| 08:35.01 | Ephexeve_laptop | ? |
| 08:35.05 | Ephexeve_laptop | Since its a KDE thing |
| 08:35.11 | truexfan81 | Ephexeve_laptop: i use it with kde |
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| 08:35.39 | truexfan81 | Ephexeve_laptop: after you install it, open the run prompt and type kwin --replace |
| 08:35.55 | Ephexeve_laptop | K, let me try (virtualbox...) |
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| 08:36.27 | Tsuki_ | doesn't like to run a desktop on debian, the prompt rulez |
| 08:36.58 | truexfan81 | Ephexeve_laptop: i also suggest installing the package systemsettings this will let you adjust your kwin settings |
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| 08:37.09 | Ephexeve_laptop | Sweet, thanks |
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| 08:37.37 | Ephexeve_laptop | Tsuki_: One think I like about gentoo is the power of emerging many packages with different processes at the same time |
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| 08:39.12 | \\Mr_C\\ | quick question, if i did a dvd#1 install, how do i make it so if i want to install a package it goes to the internet instead of asking to put the dvd in? |
| 08:39.31 | leku | hey if i'm running 'aptosid', how do I add non-free and contrib sources to my /etc/apt/sources.list stuff? |
| 08:39.44 | Sevet | !tell \\Mr_C\\ about sources.list |
| 08:39.54 | h00ked | heh... funky error. phpmyadmin works well, version 4.0.0-beta2, but, now i need to export one db and it says phpmyadmin/export.php not found. Yesterday it works well, I exported db with no problem. Nothing has changed on server. Any idea? |
| 08:40.05 | themill | leku: you'd ask the aptosid people. /msg dpkg aptosid |
| 08:40.12 | Sevet | \\Mr_C\\: remove the cdrom line so you only have the http ones in the factoid dpkg sent you |
| 08:40.16 | Sevet | then apt-get update |
| 08:40.16 | leku | #aptosid is empty |
| 08:40.20 | h00ked | or maybe its beta2 version? probably upgrade to stable 4.0.0 version will help? |
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| 08:40.26 | leku | ah |
| 08:40.31 | themill | leku: it's not on this network |
| 08:40.36 | leku | rgr that |
| 08:40.38 | ompaul | leku: that is because it is on irc.oftc.net |
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| 08:41.21 | leku | thanks |
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| 08:41.51 | Tsuki_ | Ephexeve_laptop: Yeah emerge is a strong and versatile tool |
| 08:42.34 | Ephexeve_laptop | truexfan81: Well -> http://bpaste.net/show/96668 |
| 08:42.47 | Tsuki_ | Ephexeve_laptop: but this topic is sacrilege in here ;) |
| 08:42.50 | \\Mr_C\\ | hehe, sorry, i must be really blind and tired, i looked in sources before i came and asked the question, and i totally didnt see that line, thank you, it works!!! |
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| 08:43.47 | truexfan81 | ick |
| 08:43.56 | truexfan81 | Ephexeve_laptop: which version of debian? |
| 08:44.10 | Ephexeve_laptop | truexfan81: debian 7, 32 bit |
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| 08:44.37 | truexfan81 | Ephexeve_laptop: to get your xfce titlebars and stuff back do xfwm4 --replace & |
| 08:45.04 | Ephexeve_laptop | ah wait |
| 08:45.11 | Ephexeve_laptop | fixed it, I did a export dbus |
| 08:45.12 | Ephexeve_laptop | ;-) |
| 08:45.20 | truexfan81 | oh good job |
| 08:45.39 | truexfan81 | odd you had that problem, i didn't get any of that when i ran it on mine |
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| 08:46.04 | Ephexeve_laptop | yeah, perhaps because I am testing it first on a VM |
| 08:46.13 | truexfan81 | possibly |
| 08:46.46 | Ephexeve_laptop | Well, I now have the bars of KDE and etc, I assume I can change this, correct? |
| 08:46.59 | Ephexeve_laptop | since with compiz, I change it with emerald |
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| 08:47.32 | truexfan81 | i never experimented to see if emerald would work with it |
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| 08:48.02 | Ephexeve_laptop | Hmmm I see |
| 08:48.15 | truexfan81 | but if you installed that systemsettings package you should be able to find the kde settings manager in your menu, you can adjust it from there |
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| 08:52.38 | somethinginteres | how do I move from testing to stable. apt-get update && apt-get dist-update? |
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| 08:53.04 | et | somethinginteres: that won't really work |
| 08:53.10 | truexfan81 | somethinginteres: you are wanting to move backwards? |
| 08:53.21 | et | (as packages in testing are newer than packages in stable) |
| 08:53.28 | truexfan81 | ^ |
| 08:53.44 | h00ked | anyone can say one reason why upgrade server to wheezy? |
| 08:54.07 | somethinginteres | et, truexfan81: right. I was advised yesterday to move back to stable due to testing users being in for a "rough ride" for a month or so |
| 08:54.08 | jelly-home | h00ked: in 12 months, squeeze loses security updates |
| 08:54.12 | Terminus | h00ked: when you need newer stuff from wheezy. normally, i don't do major upgrades on servers. |
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| 08:54.14 | et | h00ked: one year from now, squeeze won't get security updates anymore |
| 08:54.18 | truexfan81 | h00ked: not really a reason i guess but my server is running happy with wheezy |
| 08:54.28 | somethinginteres | so just trying to work out how to go ahead and do that |
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| 08:55.03 | et | somethinginteres: use distribtution names, not "stable" or "testing" in your sources.list to prevent stuff like that |
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| 08:55.14 | jelly-home | h00ked: of course, it's highly advised to do the upgrade on a test copy of the machine first |
| 08:55.15 | truexfan81 | somethinginteres: just edit your /etc/apt/sources.list change testing to wheezy, save and then apt-get update |
| 08:55.19 | Guest33975 | somethinginteres: Which "testing" are you using right now and when did you last upgrade your packages? Would you mind pasting your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 08:55.31 | h00ked | jelly-i im planning to buy new server in 3 month, so, it will be better wait, and install wheezy on, right? :) |
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| 08:56.03 | et | somethinginteres: if you did not to any package upgrades since wheezy was released, just change "testing" to "wheezy" in sources.list as truexfan81 said |
| 08:56.04 | jelly-home | h00ked: for a fresh installation? Go with wheezy. |
| 08:56.21 | _jordan_ | hello everyone, i just add a snapshot archive and i try to update but aptitude indicate that there is a GPG error. How can i avoid that and be certified ? |
| 08:56.36 | h00ked | jelly-home: fresh will be wheezy, of course. But now, old server have squeeze, but for a few month. |
| 08:56.43 | jelly-home | h00ked: nothing bad will hapen to squeeze in the next three months, you can safely keep using it |
| 08:57.01 | Guest33975 | h00ked: There are also a couple of bugs that are fixed in wheezy while not being fixed in squeeze -- See also https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/ for CVE status information |
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| 08:57.50 | h00ked | jelly-home: i think so, but my friend today started upgrade all of his server to wheezy, so i ask for the reasons :) |
| 08:57.58 | Guest33975 | h00ked: I would plan the update, but there really isn't a need to do it right away. You might even want to wait for 7.0.1 and until more people upgraded and reported their experience with it. |
| 08:57.59 | jelly-home | Guest33975: huh, that page has no direct links for oldstable https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/status/release/oldstable |
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| 08:58.16 | jelly-home | h00ked: he's nuts |
| 08:58.33 | h00ked | Guest33975: i will wait for new server, and put on him fresh wheezy :) |
| 08:58.51 | jelly-home | or possibly has nothing better to do, or has been waiting for some specific piece of software |
| 08:59.02 | jelly-home | h00ked: ask _him_ for his reason |
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| 08:59.27 | h00ked | jelly-home: he said, there is newer version. This is his reason :D |
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| 08:59.39 | Guest33975 | h00ked: Fair enough - Don't rush it if you don't have a reason, but plan for the upgrade and do it as soon as you feel comfortable doing it. Your plan sounds good and I would just do it (in particular if this is sensible infrastructure) |
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| 09:01.12 | _jordan_ | hello everyone, i just add a snapshot archive and i try to update but aptitude indicate that there is a GPG error. How can i avoid that and be certified ? |
| 09:01.38 | h00ked | Guest33975: sure sure. im not planning upgrade, but migrate. same hw, only newer revision |
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| 09:04.21 | h00ked | hm... but problemm with export db is still here. weird :/ |
| 09:06.17 | somethinginteres | et: I haven't no. So I'll just do that. I'd paste my sources.list but it's all changed now so it doesn't match what I had before. |
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| 09:07.15 | h00ked | maybe, phpmyadmin need chown to www-data right? :D |
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| 09:10.46 | LeLutin | hi there |
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| 09:11.23 | LeLutin | I'm trying to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy and I get "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'mysql-client-5.5'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)" |
| 09:11.49 | babilen | LeLutin: Have you tried the fix in the release notes already? Could you paste the output of that? |
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| 09:12.30 | LeLutin | now according to this, I should run apt-get dist-upgrade -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0, but it doesn't get through with the upgrade (I get the same error) http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#trouble |
| 09:12.43 | colo-work | running Xen on Squeeze/amd64 for the dom0 and domUs, what is the resulting maximum memory limits for domUs? 32GB? |
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| 09:13.46 | LeLutin | babilen: here's the output: http://paste.lelutin.net/?21bcc661d30ea927#vo8cFWX7rIekUeQxYgolUOOos+u6fnM5409T/hvkLJg= |
| 09:14.07 | stojic | Hi, is it normal for a reply to bug not to show up immediately on the bug report page? (I sent the mail to address <bug#>@bugs.debian.org ). I don't want to spam the devs by resending it ;-). |
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| 09:16.04 | bikeshedder | How can I get a list of packages which have a newer version than currently available via the apt sources? |
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| 09:16.55 | bikeshedder | Too bad, aptitude does not list them under "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" |
| 09:17.48 | truexfan81 | what would i have to do to make wheezy not put my screen to sleep while in tty? |
| 09:17.48 | babilen | LeLutin: You could remove that package with dpkg and continue with "apt-get -f install" -- Install it again after the upgrade. |
| 09:18.05 | babilen | dpkg: tell bikeshedder -about not available |
| 09:18.28 | LeLutin | babilen: ok will try |
| 09:18.31 | babilen | bikeshedder: Not necessarily newer though |
| 09:20.12 | bikeshedder | truexfan81, I guess you are looking for a feature called "screen blanking". For ttys this can be done using the command "setterm" |
| 09:20.26 | babilen | LeLutin: You could also try to install mysql 5.5 explicitly beforehand (and remove the 5.1 ones) ... (all related/installed packages) |
| 09:20.29 | bikeshedder | truexfan81, setterm -blank 0 -powersave off -powerdown 0 |
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| 09:21.46 | LeLutin | babilen: hmm I could have done the 2nd option (sounds better -- e.g. less downtime). however this server I'm working on is not critical. |
| 09:21.57 | Ephexeve_laptop | truexfan81: Man, I am in love with Kwin |
| 09:22.06 | Ephexeve_laptop | truexfan81: kwin + xfce = awesome <3 |
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| 09:22.18 | LeLutin | babilen: I did apt-get remove mysql-client-5.1 and now the dist upgrade seems to be going on |
| 09:22.42 | h00ked | arrrrrrrrrgh stupid phpmyadmin |
| 09:22.57 | edeca | The "stupid" in that sentence is redundant |
| 09:22.59 | babilen | LeLutin: Good, thanks -- Should have mentioned the second option earlier I guess, but then I am not entirely sure if that would have worked. |
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| 09:28.02 | h00ked | ouch 375,5 MiB DB o.O |
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| 09:30.51 | Ephexeve_laptop | Hey guys http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary does this also count for debian 7? |
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| 09:31.42 | babilen | dpkg: tell Ephexeve_laptop -about fglrx dkms |
| 09:32.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell Ephexeve_laptop -about radeon |
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| 09:32.37 | babilen | Ephexeve_laptop: Not entirely sure what exactly you refer to on the wiki, but the bot sent you instructions on how to get both the radeon and the fglrx driver working on Debian. |
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| 09:33.34 | Ephexeve_laptop | babilen: Cheers man! fglrx is the one I am looking for (this is the proprietary driver, correct?) |
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| 09:34.25 | fenris_kcf | yes, but it is not for all cards |
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| 09:34.49 | babilen | Ephexeve_laptop: Yes, fglrx is indeed the proprietary driver. |
| 09:35.04 | Ephexeve_laptop | babilen: Cool, thanks buddy. |
| 09:35.07 | oskude | hi, how do i debug apt-get? its downloading the same file over and over http://sprunge.us/VAWe |
| 09:35.25 | babilen | Ephexeve_laptop: There is also a fglrx-legacy-driver package in case you need that |
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| 09:35.46 | Ephexeve_laptop | Cool, thanks! |
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| 09:39.22 | oskude | i wonder if thats just me, or... changing mirror doesnt seem to help neither |
| 09:39.40 | LeLutin | babilen: upgrade went through mostly ok.. although for an odd reason I seem to not have a syslog package anymore :\ I've installed rsyslog manually to regain this |
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| 09:40.07 | babilen | That's weird as rsyslog should not have been removed |
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| 09:41.09 | babilen | oskude: I'd recommend to use "wheezy" and not stable in your sources.list -- Mind changing that and then please paste your sources.list along with the output of "apt-get update ; apt-get install mysql-server" and "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy mysql-server-5.5 mysql-server" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 09:41.39 | oskude | babilen: will do |
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| 09:43.35 | oskude | is there a tool for paste.debian.net? |
| 09:43.46 | oskude | +to paste from cli |
| 09:44.10 | fenris_kcf | just copy? |
| 09:44.17 | oskude | meh... |
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| 09:46.22 | phogg | oskude: will pastebinit not work? |
| 09:46.40 | oskude | phogg: dunno, does it paste to paste.debian.net? |
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| 09:47.02 | phogg | oskude: why don't you look at its man page and answer that question? |
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| 09:47.26 | oskude | cause im busy copy and pasting |
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| 09:47.45 | Ephexeve_laptop | hey guys, I am using xfce, and I install kde-style-qtcurve and kde-window-manager, it works fine, but it also installed the nepomuk? if I try to apt-get remove kde-nepomuk or nepomuk doesn't seem to find it |
| 09:48.45 | fenris_kcf | Ephexeve_laptop: do you mean the package "libnepomuk4"? |
| 09:48.56 | truexfan81 | ^ |
| 09:48.57 | oskude | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/2372/ |
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| 09:49.30 | truexfan81 | Ephexeve_laptop: i found aptitude search to be quite handy for situations like that |
| 09:49.47 | Ephexeve_laptop | fenris_kcf: yes, but apparently it will then delete the kde-window manager and style.. |
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| 09:50.18 | truexfan81 | so that means it is a dependency, and would be a bad idea to remove it :) |
| 09:50.22 | fenris_kcf | ah, so your issue is that you don't understand why kwm needs nepomuk? |
| 09:50.39 | Ephexeve_laptop | Exactly |
| 09:50.53 | fenris_kcf | well, you should ask that to the KDE-team :) |
| 09:51.01 | truexfan81 | #kde? |
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| 09:51.13 | truexfan81 | fenris_kcf: ^ |
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| 09:53.03 | babilen | oskude: What does "apt-get -d install mysql-server-5.5" give you? |
| 09:53.43 | oskude | babilen: also keeps downloading mysql-server-core-5.5 over and over |
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| 09:54.54 | oskude | `apt-get -d install mysql-server-core-5.5` too |
| 09:56.08 | babilen | oskude: Sorry, unfortunately I don't have the time to walk you through this right now, but I would recommend the following: 1. Try a different mirror 2. Take a look at "man 5 apt.conf" and in particular at the DEBUG OPTIONS in there -- You can then run "apt-get install mysql-server -o APT::Debug::Acquire::http" to debug the http acquire method. |
| 09:56.30 | oskude | babilen: roger. thanks for the pointers! |
| 09:57.41 | babilen | oskude: I would consider this behaviour a bug, but I haven't seen it before and it might just be some idiosyncrasy of your setup. You might want to give different acquisition methods (e.g. https) a try -- For the latter you have to install the apt-transport-https package (if you can). Alternatively try ftp (with and without debug) |
| 09:58.03 | oskude | babilen: will do, thanks |
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| 09:59.11 | babilen | oskude: Lastly you could try to download that package manually and place it in /var/cache/apt/archives/ and try the installation again. In either case: Unless you figure out that something is fishy with, e.g., your network setup/proxy (if used)/apt cacher/whatever I would encourage you to file a bug |
| 09:59.44 | oskude | yeah, wanted to find some debug output on what its actually doing, before filing a bug |
| 09:59.47 | babilen | oskude: Good luck -- I will idle here now, so feel free to ping me with new information |
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| 09:59.56 | babilen | oskude: yeah sure, the debug options should work |
| 09:59.56 | oskude | roger |
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| 10:05.46 | aplavin | hi! after my upgrading to the next testing (jessie) less package was surprizingly removed, and I can't install it back: ' man-db : Breaks: less (< 456) but 444-4 is to be installed. |
| 10:05.50 | aplavin | ' |
| 10:05.52 | aplavin | how to solve this? |
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| 10:09.27 | et | aplavin: pull less from sid? |
| 10:09.51 | ksk | hey. is there some instructions how to move from wheezy to jessie? just replace wheezy with jessie in sources.list and perform an safe-upgrade && full-upgrade? |
| 10:10.09 | Sevet | !tell ksk about wheezy->jessie |
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| 10:10.25 | ksk | thanks |
| 10:10.32 | fenris_kcf | !tell fenris_kcf about wheezy->jessie |
| 10:10.34 | Nik05 | not much changed from wheezy to jessie :P |
| 10:10.58 | aplavin | et: I have only testing repos enabled, and several ppas for specific packages - so nothing from sid |
| 10:11.06 | Sevet | Nik05: no, not yet... but the freeze is over so stuff'll start to migrate from unstable soon |
| 10:11.10 | babilen | aplavin: First and foremost: testing is supported in #debian-next over at irc.oftc.net -- Secondly: Welcome to jessie and the rough ride after the release. Try pulling it from unstable (in a "/msg dpkg tum" system), but it might not necessarily be installable at this point. |
| 10:11.12 | et | aplavin: that was a suggestion |
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| 10:11.25 | babilen | aplavin: I also would strongly recommend to not use PPAs with Debian. |
| 10:11.36 | Nik05 | sevet yes sid is getting busy :) new kernel soon |
| 10:12.12 | aplavin | babilen: why so with ppas? |
| 10:12.40 | aplavin | babilen: they seem to be a convenient way to install e.g. nodejs (i have it enabled) |
| 10:13.05 | Sevet | !tell aplavin about why not use a ppa |
| 10:13.09 | babilen | aplavin: They target Ubuntu, packages in there are not supported by us and can essentially contain random code that you'll run as root. I simply wouldn't use them on Debian nor trust the majority .. |
| 10:13.24 | Sevet | !tell aplavin about ppa |
| 10:13.29 | Sevet | not the root maintainer comment |
| 10:13.30 | Sevet | *note |
| 10:14.03 | aplavin | ok, got it :) and is the whole list of 'tell ...' stories somewhere? |
| 10:14.20 | babilen | dpkg: tell aplavin -about dpkgbot |
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| 10:14.40 | Sevet | aplavin: http://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/ |
| 10:14.53 | babilen | aplavin: Feel free to search it -- and keep in mind that testing/unstable is supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and that the #debian channel(s) are for stable/wheezy |
| 10:14.55 | et | aplavin: sorry |
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| 10:15.07 | et | aplavin: meant to tell the bot :( |
| 10:15.54 | h00ked | fuuu hate big DB |
| 10:16.08 | aplavin | babilen: thanks |
| 10:16.25 | truexfan81 | dpkg: tell dpkg -about dpkgbot |
| 10:16.30 | truexfan81 | hehe |
| 10:16.45 | oskude | babilen: heh, worked with ftp:// but fwiw, heres http debug log http://paste.debian.net/2375/ was just odd that it was only this one package. did even dist-upgrade over http today. ill dig further if i encounter it again. thanks for the support! |
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| 10:18.28 | babilen | oskude: Looks as if the download was incomplete :-/ (hence the Range: bytes=3637759-) |
| 10:18.41 | babilen | oskude: But glad that you could fix it |
| 10:19.24 | oskude | ah, didnt even notice that >.< |
| 10:19.43 | fenris_kcf | in my sources.list i don't use a specific release-codename, but just "testing". i ran dist-upgrade and it updated lots of packages. anything else to do in order to "switch" to jessie? |
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| 10:20.07 | fenris_kcf | (don't got an /etc/apt/apt.conf) |
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| 10:20.20 | Sevet | fenris_kcf: nope, that should be it :) |
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| 10:21.05 | fenris_kcf | ok, thx. then maybe they forgot to update /etc/issue |
| 10:21.49 | fenris_kcf | (i think it was updated at the last shift) |
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| 10:22.59 | oskude | ok, can reproduce with wget too, i wonder if someone else can wget http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mysql-5.5/mysql-server-core-5.5_5.5.30+dfsg-1.1_amd64.deb |
| 10:23.05 | Sevet | fenris_kcf: what does /etc/debian_version say? |
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| 10:23.24 | fenris_kcf | Sevet: 7.0 |
| 10:24.07 | bikeshedder | oskude, works for me using GNU Wget 1.12 |
| 10:24.10 | Sevet | jessie is only just branching from wheezy, maybe it's not updated yet |
| 10:24.22 | oskude | bikeshedder: ok, so must be in our network. thanks |
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| 10:29.35 | p3rror | I run fdisk and I get "value out of range" |
| 10:29.40 | p3rror | why I get this |
| 10:31.22 | bikeshedder | p3rror, there is probably something wrong with your partition table and fdisk has a bug so it crashes instead of reporting the wrong value. |
| 10:32.09 | p3rror | bikeshedder, I create three partitions on a disk of 500G |
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| 10:32.47 | p3rror | bikeshedder, the first partition is a boot -> 800M |
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| 10:32.58 | p3rror | bikeshedder, the second is a swap 8G |
| 10:33.23 | bikeshedder | p3rror, are you doing this on the console? Please post the complete console log leading to the error somewhere like http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 10:35.04 | p3rror | bikeshedder, http://paste.debian.net/2381/ |
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| 10:36.42 | bikeshedder | p3rror, you are simply trying to create a partition bigger than the available space. If you want to use all the remaining space simply use the default (just press enter instead of entering a size) |
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| 10:39.24 | bikeshedder | p3rror, disk manufacturers use GB instead of GiB: a 500 GB disk has "500 Gigabytes" = 500 * 10^9 bytes. Not to be confused with "500 Gibibytes" = 500 * 2**30. That's why 500 GB != 500 GiB. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix |
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| 10:39.37 | anddam | any help with https://gist.github.com/anddam/5524393 ? |
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| 10:40.47 | anddam | it's an openvz vm, I cannot upgrade kernel |
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| 10:41.08 | bikeshedder | p3rror, and also you always get some rounding when specifying partition sizes because partitions are always sized to the nearest cylinder. Most the time it is a good idea to use a fixed size for boot and swap and simply use the rest for root. |
| 10:41.47 | p3rror | bikeshedder, srv591 ~ # partprobe |
| 10:41.47 | p3rror | Error: Error informing the kernel about modifications to partition /dev/sda3 -- Device or resource busy. This means Linux won't know about any changes you made to /dev/sda3 until you reboot -- so you shouldn't mount it or use it in any way before rebooting. |
| 10:41.47 | p3rror | Error: Failed to add partition 3 (Device or resource busy) |
| 10:42.25 | p3rror | bikeshedder, http://paste.debian.net/2383/ |
| 10:42.37 | bikeshedder | p3rror, if you are doing this to a partition table with mounted partitions you need to reboot for changes to take effect. |
| 10:43.11 | bikeshedder | p3rror, nothing critical - simply reboot - next time the system boots it will read the correct partition table. |
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| 10:46.11 | oskude | babilen: turns out it was something in our network that scans for i-dunno-what and thought that file is malicous >.< |
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| 10:47.00 | babilen | oskude: Then aborted the download (presumably at 3637759 bytes) which then triggered the redownload … |
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| 10:47.07 | oskude | yeah |
| 10:47.22 | oskude | now our IT at least knows that fpt is not in their watch list ;P |
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| 10:47.26 | oskude | *ftp |
| 10:47.36 | babilen | oskude: Okay, at least we/you understand the problem now :) |
| 10:47.43 | oskude | \o/ |
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| 10:47.53 | bikeshedder | oskude, use https if possible and forget about all those stupid content filters. :) |
| 10:48.12 | oskude | yeah, i probably should |
| 10:48.48 | bikeshedder | mmmh, are there even some https mirrors available? I just checked the list of mirrors and it seams there are none. :-/ |
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| 10:49.23 | oskude | hmm, E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found |
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| 10:49.45 | porton | How long Debian 7 squeeze will be yet supported? |
| 10:49.52 | babilen | oskude: As I mentioned earlier: you have to install tghe https transport for that to work |
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| 10:49.56 | Sevet | oskude: you'd need to install apt-transport-https first |
| 10:49.59 | babilen | oskude: It's in the ^^^ |
| 10:50.06 | porton | My server is on Debian 6 and I doubt whether to upgrade to 7 |
| 10:50.08 | Sevet | but i don't know if the debian mirrors support https |
| 10:50.15 | oskude | ah. thanks for the spoon! :P |
| 10:50.28 | petn-randall | porton: Usually one year from the release of the newer version. |
| 10:50.39 | babilen | porton: squeeze will be support for one more year -- I would plan the upgrade and perform it as soon as you feel comfortable doing so. |
| 10:50.47 | petn-randall | porton: So you'll have roughly a year to upgrade. Check the release notes for the exact date. |
| 10:51.02 | babilen | porton: Or less than a year if we release jessie before (which will not happen, I can assure you of that) |
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| 10:56.08 | andreas_ | hi everyone, im trying to backup a windows client with backuppc ... so as it seems it cant handle very long directory names as for example /Application Data/ ... how can i exclude those directories ? i already looked up the web but the solutions i found dont really work for me |
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| 10:56.17 | Ephexeve | Hey guys, how stable is unstable? |
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| 10:56.57 | Iridos | Ephexeve, is that a trick question? |
| 10:57.28 | Iridos | how hot is ice, how cool is fire? |
| 10:57.30 | petn-randall | babilen: The day Debian releases a new release less than a year after the last one is when Christmas, Easter and my birthday happen all on the same day. |
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| 10:58.14 | Iridos | petn-randall, in 10 years from now, you'll say the same, but with s/the last one/testing was frozen/ |
| 10:58.37 | ksk | andreas_: boot debian, mount it using the supernice ntfs support in it. use rsync to do the backup. reckognize: debians ntfs implementation is cooler then the one from M$ |
| 10:58.40 | babilen | Ephexeve: "stable" in the context of Debian simply means "unchanging" -- unstable is therefore, by definition, not stable. You might even call it, well, unstable |
| 10:58.44 | Ephexeve | Iridos: Well, could be, though I personally would like to know, I am about to install Debian, though Stable seems to stable for me, very old packages and others, but unstable seems very breakble, by the fact that tomorrow might break, and testing, well, it's testing. |
| 10:58.56 | Ephexeve | So I was wondering, is there anyone using unstable? If so, how stable is it? |
| 10:59.05 | ksk | Ephexeve: its unstable |
| 10:59.14 | Iridos | ksk, \o/ |
| 10:59.27 | Ephexeve | \m/ |
| 10:59.35 | ksk | i use it as a shell server, no real dowtimes so far. but you have to expect that things brake. and you should now how to fix that |
| 10:59.37 | \m | lol |
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| 10:59.50 | babilen | Ephexeve: We've just released wheezy -- Feel free to run unstable if you want to, but you are in for a little bit of a bumpy ride. testing/unstable is also not support in here, but in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. If you consider this you might want to consider reading http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable |
| 11:00.05 | \m | Ephexeve, that highlighted me... |
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| 11:00.35 | Ephexeve | \m: crap, didn't know there was such a nick possibility, my bad. |
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| 11:00.46 | Ephexeve | babilen: Hmmm |
| 11:00.53 | \m | well, it's my away nick though |
| 11:01.06 | babilen | Ephexeve: My recommendation would be to use wheezy sprinkled with wheezy-backports, but then I am using unstable myself. Expect breakage and make sure you are subscribed to relevant mailing lists (debian-devel{,-announce}, …) |
| 11:01.35 | et | Ephexeve: you can just use stable and backport stuff you want to be current yourself. usually that's not much |
| 11:01.54 | et | for me it's a compiler and a few libs |
| 11:02.07 | Ephexeve | backport? |
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| 11:02.53 | andreas_ | ksk: sry for bothering u but u mean installing debian with ntfs is the way to go for that job ? |
| 11:02.59 | et | dpkg: tell Ephexeve -about ssb |
| 11:04.18 | babilen | dpkg: tell Ephexeve about backports |
| 11:04.23 | et | some stuff i just compile myself with a prefix of $HOME, that doesn't scale to multiple users though obviously |
| 11:04.40 | ksk | andreas_: imho there is now way to copy that files using windows (maybe you can if you just cd into that dir and just copy that file - its the paths name that is too long, not the filesn name ) and yes, booting debian, mounting the windows-partition, using rsync should get the job done |
| 11:04.44 | Terminus | i'm a fan of --prefix $HOME/local |
| 11:04.45 | ksk | s/now/no/ |
| 11:05.11 | ksk | andreas_: you could use a livecd, no need to install |
| 11:05.12 | babilen | et: You can always install it to /usr/local and manage those installations with stow (/msg dpkg stow usage) -- The latter is also nice if you install stuff to $HOME |
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| 11:06.16 | babilen | et: That way you can have, for example, a $HOME/stow/$SOFTWARE-$VERSION/ scheme and then use stow to set appropriate symlinks. (just like in /usr/local) |
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| 11:08.03 | Ephexeve | Sweet, thanks babilen and et |
| 11:08.05 | et | a misbehaved install script at some time put (some of its, not all) stuff in /usr/ when i wanted /usr/local/, that's why i'm cautios of running install scripts as root now ;) |
| 11:08.33 | andreas_ | ksk: oh sry i did not explain myself probably ... i want one pc to be the permanent backup server and for that job i need a good solution ... well i could handle that via rsnapshot but id need a ssh listening on windows and rsync on win too . |
| 11:08.49 | babilen | et: Nothing can beat https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee-Old-and-abbandoned/issues/123 </offtopic> |
| 11:08.52 | andreas_ | backuppc is doing just fine if there would be any exclude function ... |
| 11:09.26 | Iridos | andreas_, for the backuppc question you had, I would try #backuppc ... there's probably not so many people here using it |
| 11:09.39 | Iridos | have* |
| 11:10.11 | andreas_ | thx Iridos , i already did but that channel is like dead :D ... and as far as i know most of the pros are around that channel ;) |
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| 11:10.29 | andreas_ | if no one knows about it or a solution that works equal thats no problem |
| 11:10.31 | andreas_ | im just asking :) |
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| 11:14.46 | ksk | andreas_: okay. but i guess you are just fucked because M$ its ntfs-implementation has a limit of the path+filename of x - where x is so small that is breaks from time to time |
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| 11:18.09 | andreas_ | ok thank u ksk :) |
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| 11:26.07 | Viliny | what do you mean ksk? ntfs has a limit for paths thats too short? |
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| 11:27.23 | RagBal | Why is apt still showing me package upgrades from jessie/sid while I have them pinned with a priority of -10? |
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| 11:29.32 | ksk | Viliny: the ntfs implementation by microsoft is not able to "select" (like in cp $foo $bar) files which pathnames are too long. using debians ntfs drivers (using debian) this does work. |
| 11:30.13 | jelly-home | RagBal: well, either your pinning setup does not do what you want it to (I find it arcane, personally), or you're misinterpreting the output |
| 11:30.17 | Viliny | so microsofts own ntfs drivers are inferior to debians? |
| 11:30.45 | RagBal | I just changed the pinning in preferences from jessie/sid to testing/unstable and then it works as planned... |
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| 11:33.16 | jelly-home | RagBal: next time, you can look at "apt-cache policy packagename" see what the possible versions are and what the Candidate: version priority is |
| 11:33.16 | pacop | Hello, I have upgraded to debian wheezy and now postfix only listens to 127.0.0.1. I have inet_interfaces = all in main.cf. Any idea? |
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| 11:35.58 | ksk | pacop: are there any interfaces? ;) |
| 11:36.02 | Viliny | no idea, but what if you define an interface instead of all? |
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| 11:36.18 | Viliny | afaik all would include the loopback |
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| 11:38.00 | chrisirc | Hello. dist-upgrade wants to install tons of additional stuff (almost 1G of additional disk space used); including e.g. pulseaudio. Can I trim this down somehow, discourage it from installing so much? |
| 11:38.16 | chrisirc | I don't even *have* enough space left for that. |
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| 11:38.48 | chrisirc | And I've been a happy non-pulseaudio user so far. |
| 11:39.12 | RagBal | jelly-home, can you please havea look at this: http://pastebin.com/B0a36zjj |
| 11:40.17 | pacop | ksk, eth0 is the internet, I can't telnet to port 25 to hostname, but I can telnet port 25 to localhost :S |
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| 11:40.45 | RagBal | When I change jessie/sid to testing/unstable in the preferences it works perfectly. Otherwise it chooses the jessie/sid package to be installed |
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| 11:41.09 | jelly-home | RagBal: then keep the preferences the way they actually work |
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| 11:42.24 | RagBal | Bleh, not the solution I wanted, but ok |
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| 11:48.38 | petn-randall | chrisirc: Use aptitude to hand-pick what you want to install. |
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| 11:51.35 | andreas_ | ok guys im back ... so backing up windows clients with linux backuppc server works like a charm as long as there are no strange folder trees like Application Data\Application Data\...\...\...\ and so on because there is as mentioned before a limit to that |
| 11:52.03 | sparse | Hello, I have a strange problem with grub on my Debian installation. I had to install it by moving its harddrive to another machine and run debootstrap since kernel on my install server refused to boot (probably due to new hardware). I succeeded with deboostrap and configurtion by hand. I installed the linux-kernel and grub too but I am unable to get behind grub-rescue shell. I read few pages about this situation and how to get out o |
| 11:52.04 | andreas_ | its kinda fucked that the exclude option does not work for me (gues im to stupid) |
| 11:52.15 | sparse | Could anyone help here? I am totally out of ideas. |
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| 11:52.43 | c4709 | I had installed mysql 5.5.30-1~dotdeb.0 on debian squeezy through dotdeb repo but today when I upgraded debian squeezy to wheezy it shows conflicting error :- " mysql-server-5.5 : Depends: mysql-client-5.5 (>= 5.5.30+dfsg-1.1) but 5.5.30-1~dotdeb.0 is installed" |
| 11:52.51 | c4709 | how can I solve this conflict without reinstalling mysql |
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| 11:55.33 | et | c4709: what's your issue with reinstalling mysql? |
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| 11:55.52 | et | it'll be less pain than anything else you'll come up with |
| 11:56.04 | c4709 | hrm , okay |
| 11:56.44 | et | (just remove the dotdeb packages and install again ... config files and data will not be touched unless you purge instead of remove) |
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| 12:00.19 | pacop | finally I got it working, the problem was that exim4 was installed and running and postfix not. Now my server works with wheezy and it has stopped using the swap, great work!! Debian rocks :) |
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| 12:09.54 | UukGoblin | Hello everyone, I'm having trouble connecting my Bluetooth speaker via a USB bluetooth dongle |
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| 12:10.20 | UukGoblin | tried 2 different USB dongles and about 3 different debian installations and all have pretty much the same result: I can pair with the speaker, but it never connects |
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| 12:10.49 | UukGoblin | the bluetooth-wizard is stuck at step 3 "Finishing new device setup" / "Please wait while finishing setup on device 'Bose SoundLink Mobile speaker II' |
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| 12:11.26 | UukGoblin | bluetooth settings show 'paired' (and the speaker did emit a paired sound once), but whenever I click 'connect' it just sits there doing nothing and never connects |
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| 12:11.59 | UukGoblin | I tried putting a 'type bluetooth' audio device in my ~/.asoundrc but trying to play to it always results in connection refused |
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| 12:12.10 | UukGoblin | finally syslog shows things like |
| 12:12.17 | UukGoblin | bluetoothd[17875]: Unable to select SEP |
| 12:12.20 | UukGoblin | or |
| 12:12.25 | UukGoblin | kernel: [2314322.478868] Bluetooth: Wrong link type (-14) |
| 12:12.39 | Zitter | hi, is it possible to protect a directory with a password? |
| 12:12.40 | tuxcrafter | http://paste.debian.net/2401/ < how can i fix this xinetd upgrade problem? |
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| 12:13.09 | UukGoblin | Zitter, you'd need some kind of disk encryption, or encrypt the files manually with something like mcrypt |
| 12:13.51 | Zitter | ok, so no easy solution just like right button on the dir -> protect this dir... ? |
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| 12:14.37 | UukGoblin | Zitter, well, depends whether you want encryption or just taking away permissions from other users I guess |
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| 12:14.59 | Zitter | I intend: same user but it need a password to open that dir. |
| 12:15.01 | UukGoblin | with some filesystems, it could be possible... not 100% sure, there might be a ready solution for you |
| 12:15.21 | UukGoblin | yeah that sounds like a case for encryption |
| 12:15.43 | Zitter | ok, I will look mcrypt then |
| 12:15.46 | debianN00b | my problem gone!!! |
| 12:16.00 | UukGoblin | Zitter, something like http://wiki.debian.org/TransparentEncryptionForHomeFolder perhaps |
| 12:16.11 | UukGoblin | that's for home directories, but should be adaptable |
| 12:16.26 | Zitter | thanks a lot :) |
| 12:17.15 | debianN00b | I want to change my ./home folder... Is there any guide to do this please? |
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| 12:19.10 | ChrisH | debianN00b: depends on your definition of "change" |
| 12:19.26 | debianN00b | I want to use different partition for ./home |
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| 12:20.10 | ChrisH | debianN00b: you want to move the existing data from current home to another partion without dataloss. correct? |
| 12:21.18 | UukGoblin | did anyone succeed at getting any audio over bluetooth to work? :-/ |
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| 12:23.31 | debianN00b | ChrisH, It was fresh installation of debian 7. I forgot to make partition for home directory. So debian just created the required folder for the installation. |
| 12:23.59 | debianN00b | For example now i want the ./dev/sda11 as my ./home folder |
| 12:24.17 | mumpitzel | debianN00b: log in as root only. move stuff over from /home/ to the new partition. edit your fstab. reboot |
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| 12:25.36 | survietamine | hello, I want to know how Debian changed the named.conf directory to /etc/bind/ please. I cannot find how this was done |
| 12:25.37 | zykotick9 | debianN00b: using a period at the beginning of a path, means "from this location" (which isn't what you mean). so it's /dev/sda11 and /home. |
| 12:25.40 | fish2197 | someone help me here the nvidia drivers i need won't install!!!!! |
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| 12:26.19 | tknt | !help |
| 12:26.21 | mumpitzel | survietamine: after an upgrade to wheezy? |
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| 12:26.32 | debianN00b | mumpitzel, i currently have this http://paste.debian.net/2404/ , Perhaps i need to put another partition address for the home folder? |
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| 12:26.58 | MrFrood | fish2197: from upstreram or thenon-free repos? |
| 12:26.58 | mumpitzel | debianN00b: obviously yes |
| 12:26.58 | fish2197 | first its complaining bout gcc fixed that issue with apt-get now its just erroring out |
| 12:27.01 | survietamine | mumpitzel: I just read that from /usr/share/doc/bind9/README.Debian.gz but I would like to know how they changed that |
| 12:27.04 | debianN00b | ah |
| 12:27.22 | mumpitzel | survietamine: a config script which is run when you install a .deb |
| 12:27.37 | ChrisH | debianN00b: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=1753 is a good explanation on what to do. I would do the final step as rmdir /mnt/newhome |
| 12:28.14 | survietamine | mumpitzel: ok, but I thought that this must be given to the bind binary as an option, am I wrong ? |
| 12:28.14 | ChrisH | debianN00b: run blkid and paste it |
| 12:29.05 | mumpitzel | survietamine: could be compiled in into the debian bind binary. otherwise: check /etc/init.d/ |
| 12:29.07 | survietamine | mumpitzel: so I searched at /etc/default/bind9 and files in /etc/init.d etc... and even with pgrep -fl bind.... but cannot see where this is set |
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| 12:29.33 | survietamine | mumpitzel: hmmm, ok, directly at compile time then, thank you |
| 12:29.42 | debianN00b | ChrisH, http://paste.debian.net/2405/ |
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| 12:30.29 | captainfreeky | HI can any one help me i am stuck since a weak on my debain with some gtk error |
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| 12:31.07 | movl | captainfreeky: what error is that? |
| 12:31.42 | ChrisH | debianN00b: is there any space left you can use for home? looks filled to me. |
| 12:31.59 | captainfreeky | gtk-warning cannot open display 0.0 |
| 12:32.04 | debianN00b | yes , the ./dev/sda11 |
| 12:32.24 | Stereo | hi everyone |
| 12:32.27 | captainfreeky | this one i searched in google since weak but i dint came up with anything |
| 12:32.35 | ulmer | hi Stereo |
| 12:32.42 | debianN00b | ChrisH, yes ./dev/sda11 |
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| 12:33.17 | Stereo | I'm going through the release notes and seeing something about OpenStack and the Xen Cloud Platform being included. I'm not sure I understand what those are - a system for managing VMs and the infrastructure around them? |
| 12:33.31 | ChrisH | debianN00b: then you should be able to follow the ideas in the Link I gave you. its a bit older when Disks were named hda :) |
| 12:33.43 | captainfreeky | @movl can you plz guide me on my error |
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| 12:34.04 | movl | captainfreeky: did you migrate your /home from a previous installation? |
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| 12:34.51 | debianN00b | ChrisH, Let me paste the custom configuration or fstab |
| 12:34.54 | captainfreeky | @movl nope |
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| 12:35.48 | ulmer | What i have to do by the error: "N: Ignoring file 'google-chrome.list.save' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension" ? |
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| 12:36.14 | mumpitzel | remove the .save |
| 12:36.33 | ulmer | ok |
| 12:36.35 | ulmer | thx |
| 12:36.51 | movl | captainfreeky: what DE are you using? when do you see the error? |
| 12:37.01 | debianN00b | ChrisH, http://paste.debian.net/2407/ , Line 11 and 12 |
| 12:37.21 | debianN00b | Is that okay? |
| 12:37.29 | ulmer | (me) xfce |
| 12:37.44 | captainfreeky | @movl when i try to run any gui application using debain 6 |
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| 12:39.01 | babilen | debianN00b: You shouldn't have those entries for the USB stick in there. How did you create the stick? (line 17 and 18) -- These entries will complicate things if you want to automount your usb stick from a filemanager … |
| 12:39.05 | mumpitzel | debianN00b: it's not. <type> <options> <dump> <pass> are not there for show only |
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| 12:40.19 | debianN00b | oh yep, |
| 12:41.06 | debianN00b | babilen, Sorry did not get your question , Anyway i used "win32 usb imager" |
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| 12:41.46 | babilen | debianN00b: Hmm, okay. Good to know -- I would comment/remove line 17 and 18 in addition to fixing your line 11/12 as hinted at by mumpitzel |
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| 12:42.05 | Feigrim | How come the package youtube-dl is not available in Wheezy? It's available in squeeze-backports, jessie and sid, but not Wheezy? |
| 12:42.26 | ChrisH | debianN00b: no ok. use http://paste.debian.net/2409/ |
| 12:42.35 | captainfreeky | @movl anything where you can guide me |
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| 12:43.16 | movl | captainfreeky: what desktop environment? e.g. gnome, kde, ... |
| 12:43.32 | debianN00b | done! Let's reboot |
| 12:43.43 | et | Feigrim: i don't know about the why, but since it's just a python script you should be safe to just fetch it from sid |
| 12:43.45 | captainfreeky | @movl gnome env |
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| 12:45.16 | Feigrim | et: yeah I pulled it down from testing, it's the same version as sid |
| 12:45.20 | movl | captainfreeky: so gnome 3 runs well, but any app you try to run gets you that error? |
| 12:45.53 | captainfreeky | its not gnome 3 the default system what comes with debain i think it is gnome but not gnome 3 |
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| 12:46.14 | captainfreeky | @movl any app which i try gives me error |
| 12:46.18 | babilen | Feigrim: http://packages.qa.debian.org/y/youtube-dl/news/20130217T163915Z.html + http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=688997 |
| 12:46.28 | babilen | Feigrim: Are you using wheezy? |
| 12:47.00 | Feigrim | yes |
| 12:47.05 | babilen | dpkg: tell Feigrim -about ssb |
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| 12:48.06 | babilen | Feigrim: I'd backport it from sid and install it manually on wheezy. I also wouldn't recommend to mix wheezy with jessie or sid, but only with wheezy-backports |
| 12:48.15 | hyppias | I would like people to be able to dump files in a direcectory on my server, for other people to retrieve. People would have to be granted access by me to use this facility. Is there some package to set up such a thing? |
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| 12:48.57 | Feigrim | babilen: I just did sudo apt-get install -t testing youtube-dl, then recommented the testing line in sources.list and did apt-get update |
| 12:49.00 | mafios | when can we expert live images of 7.0 please? |
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| 12:49.33 | solstis | http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/stable/ |
| 12:49.52 | mafios | these won't work for me, waiting for debian.org' |
| 12:49.55 | mafios | s |
| 12:50.00 | babilen | Feigrim: I wouldn't do that, but backport packages from testing explicitly. Mixing wheezy with jessie might be okay right now (we just released, so they are reasonably close), but this setup will cause problems rather sooner than later. |
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| 12:50.10 | themill | mafios: can you explain "won't work"? |
| 12:50.18 | mafios | yes , I get blank screen |
| 12:50.23 | Feigrim | babilen: ok I see |
| 12:50.26 | mafios | when selecting to boot |
| 12:50.34 | mafios | first, default option |
| 12:50.38 | mafios | I tried: |
| 12:50.46 | themill | takes away mafios' enter ke |
| 12:50.52 | mafios | gnome 64bit, lxde32bit and lxde64bit |
| 12:51.04 | themill | mafios: you might like to ask in #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
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| 12:51.38 | babilen | Feigrim: Hence the general recommendation not to mix stable with anything but backports. If there is no official backport you can typically create one yourself by following "/msg dpkg ssb" -- You could check if you have to backport any build dependencies first by asking our nice judd bot in here with, for example, "/msg judd checkbackport youtube-dl" |
| 12:52.08 | captainfreeky | @movl I have this error as well with any application No protocol specified |
| 12:52.20 | babilen | themill, mafios: The website works fine here (chromium) - I don't think that #debian-live can do anything special about this problem. |
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| 12:53.28 | themill | babilen: ? |
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| 12:54.11 | themill | Feigrim: youtube-dl is considered "unsupportable" -- try a quvi based downloader (see http://bugs.debian.org/688997) |
| 12:54.30 | babilen | captainfreeky: It looks as if you are new to IRC -- IRC is different from twitter and using the "@" character in front of nicknames is neither necessary nor prevalent. Just type the nickname (or use tab-completion) and seperate it from your message with a ':' or ',' |
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| 12:55.25 | captainfreeky | ohh yea I am new to this irc got stuck since a weak and not able to find and some devloper suggested me to hang in irc |
| 12:55.59 | chrisirc | I've got an SSD, and the dist-upgrade is still totally IO bound (cpu usage at around 15-25%). Then I wonder, why is it so slow still, and notice that it seems that dpkg or whoever runs sync calls. |
| 12:55.59 | captainfreeky | movl: can you plz guide or help me on this |
| 12:56.08 | chrisirc | Now how does that make sense. |
| 12:56.12 | babilen | captainfreeky: Yeah, I had that impression. Hence my (short) explanation. You might want to read the IRC FAQ linked in our /topic |
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| 12:56.41 | captainfreeky | alright |
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| 12:57.14 | captainfreeky | babilen: it says insuffiecnt arguments for the command |
| 12:57.22 | UukGoblin | I've got blueman now, it says "Connection Failed: Stream setup failed" when I try to connect to my bluetooth speaker. /var/log/syslog only lists bluetoothd[25380]: Host is down (112) |
| 12:58.13 | babilen | captainfreeky: What says that? I am referring to "FAQ: http://deb.li/IRCFAQ" -- your IRC client might be different in that it does not show you the topic again if you run /topic though |
| 12:58.21 | themill | chrisirc: data safety in the filesystem makes that a sad fact. dpkg is hitting against limits in the ext filesystems. |
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| 12:59.16 | babilen | captainfreeky: Okay, so to clarify: you installed Debian squeeze about a week ago and you encounter that error when you do what? |
| 12:59.29 | captainfreeky | babilen: its giving me 404 error on the link |
| 12:59.39 | captainfreeky | no it was like 2 weaks back |
| 12:59.45 | captainfreeky | and since 1 weak i am having this problem |
| 13:00.30 | babilen | dpkg: tell captainfreeky about irc tutorial |
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| 13:00.49 | babilen | captainfreeky: Ok, so which version of Debian did you install and what did you do in the interim? Did you install any software? |
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| 13:01.18 | captainfreeky | Well i installed KDE |
| 13:01.25 | pratz | Hello guys |
| 13:01.36 | pratz | Just installed debian 7 on virtualbox |
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| 13:02.09 | pratz | first it automatically fall backed to gnome classic |
| 13:02.31 | pratz | and now I can not install any package on the system |
| 13:02.36 | pratz | please help on this |
| 13:03.02 | starbuck | please excuse my ignorance, but is it possible now to watch youtube videos and flash, shockwave etc... within the browser of choice (ff and/or chrome) in debian squeeze? |
| 13:03.07 | petn-randall | pratz: The first problem is likely because your system doesn't have hardware 3D acceleration yet. |
| 13:03.18 | pratz | petn-randall: ok, that is fine |
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| 13:03.29 | petn-randall | starbuck: Yes, install flashplugin-nonfree. |
| 13:03.29 | pratz | but why I can not install any thing |
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| 13:03.43 | petn-randall | pratz: What are you exactly doing? What's the output? |
| 13:03.46 | chrisirc | themill, I see |
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| 13:04.17 | ulmer | can you login by ctrl+Alt+F2 ? |
| 13:04.17 | starbuck | petn-randall: i remember i had no luck to make it work in previous version of debian |
| 13:04.24 | pratz | as root 'apt-get install tmux' , output package not found |
| 13:04.33 | themill | chrisirc: I mean, dpkg could not bother syncing, but then you could end up with an utterly hosed system if it were interrupted at an inopportune moment. |
| 13:04.42 | pratz | petn-randall: above |
| 13:04.55 | petn-randall | pratz: What does 'apt-get update' give you? |
| 13:05.12 | themill | chrisirc: there's a long discussion about this on the debian-devel mailing list about 30 months ago, I think. |
| 13:05.14 | petn-randall | pratz: Also, paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 13:05.27 | pratz | petn-randall: ok |
| 13:05.37 | chrisirc | Yes I get that; I was just in a state of belief that using rename(2) and correct ordering in the app would avoid this. Maybe it's not. |
| 13:05.55 | chrisirc | themill, thanks, interesting. |
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| 13:06.04 | petn-randall | chrisirc: If you've got backups and don't care about potentially hosing your system, try the package 'eatmydata' to upgrade. |
| 13:06.25 | chrisirc | ah heh. Thanks. |
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| 13:06.33 | captainfreeky | babilen: any suggestion |
| 13:06.42 | themill | chrisirc: it's not if you want to avoid zero length files on ext4 in particular. And yes, eatmydata or the dpkg unsafeio options are useful especially for disposable VMs and chroots |
| 13:06.58 | petn-randall | chrisirc: It replaces every call to fsync by a no op. |
| 13:07.13 | pratz | petn-randall: here http://dpaste.org/hYhkj/ |
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| 13:07.28 | chrisirc | good; might also use this with emacs (my safety is git not emacs sync). |
| 13:07.53 | themill | chrisirc: you might be interested to find that heavy compilation tasks are also faster under eatmydata |
| 13:07.55 | babilen | captainfreeky: I am waiting for your answer to the question: "Which version of Debian did you install? (squeeze, wheezy)" and "What did you do in the interim?" (in the week before the system broke) |
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| 13:08.04 | petn-randall | pratz: Also paste your sources.list |
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| 13:08.33 | chrisirc | Ah gosh, builds calling sync. |
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| 13:09.07 | petn-randall | chrisirc: Chances are you're not using the SSD with trim, which'll hurt it's performance. |
| 13:09.08 | themill | chrisirc: well, if the output is important, then it should call fsync (not sync) |
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| 13:09.41 | chrisirc | themill, yes I've verified with strace that apt calls fsync. |
| 13:09.45 | captainfreeky | babilen: I have debain 6 nothing just installed lamp server and 2 of my dc++ server |
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| 13:10.03 | pratz | petn-randall: here http://dpaste.org/kUcxd/ |
| 13:10.08 | themill | chrisirc: dpkg, not apt |
| 13:10.12 | chrisirc | (That will still slow it down as much as sync if nothing else is running on the system.) |
| 13:10.18 | pratz | petn-randall: yes, I had not selected an network mirror |
| 13:10.20 | chrisirc | Yes, strace -fF -p $pidofapt |
| 13:10.27 | pratz | petn-randall: how do I add one now ? |
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| 13:10.47 | chrisirc | BTW fun fact, ctl-c on strace hung apt. Had to kill it. |
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| 13:11.08 | petn-randall | pratz: That's an incomplete sources.list. Did you change it after installation? You're missing the main repository. |
| 13:11.19 | babilen | captainfreeky: Okay, well .. we could spend some time debugging your problem, but given that you run an outdated version anyway, I would be tempted to suggest that you simply install wheezy from scratch. See "/msg dpkg install debian" for information. Download images from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.0.0/ if you have a working internet connection and take it from there. |
| 13:11.33 | themill | chrisirc: fortunately with dpkg's careful use of fsync and atomic operations, you won't have broken your system ;) |
| 13:11.40 | pratz | petn-randall: as i said, I did not select a network mirror during installation |
| 13:11.40 | chrisirc | I've got an SSD that supports trim; I was expecting that the kernel takes advantage of that automatically, that's not the case? |
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| 13:11.53 | chrisirc | themill, heh :-D |
| 13:11.54 | pratz | petn-randall: my mistake, how do i add one now ? |
| 13:12.00 | babilen | captainfreeky: It would still be interesting to figure out how you broke your system, but i'd recommend to simply install wheezy and take it from there. That will save you some work . |
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| 13:13.06 | captainfreeky | well i could have done that but i dont want to run again installing and configuring things what i made changes |
| 13:14.02 | pratz | petn-randall: can not find wheezy stable here http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 13:14.36 | themill | pratz: that's a good thing. Don't use that hideous site |
| 13:14.44 | petn-randall | pratz: I can find it there. |
| 13:14.44 | captainfreeky | babilen i dont mind if you take longer as if i have wated since 4 days figuring out searching it |
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| 13:15.18 | petn-randall | pratz: Generate a sources.list from that site, then replace the one instance of 'testing' with 'wheezy'. |
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| 13:16.10 | themill | petn-randall: please don't recommend that site |
| 13:16.28 | babilen | captainfreeky: Well, but I do :) |
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| 13:17.09 | captainfreeky | babilen so what all information you need to get me sought out just let me know |
| 13:17.16 | petn-randall | themill: Sorry. Do you have an alternative? |
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| 13:17.39 | Sevet | pratz: one very good reason to avoid that site, it mixes 'stable' and 'squeeze'... especially right now that's a very good way to break your system |
| 13:17.45 | themill | !wheezy sources.list |
| 13:17.46 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" has 3 lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list" |
| 13:18.10 | pratz | Sevet: so, from where should i get one ? |
| 13:18.17 | petn-randall | notes the alternative. |
| 13:18.19 | Sevet | from dpkg above |
| 13:18.21 | themill | petn-randall: ^^ sure. copy and paste isn't hard and doesn't leave the user with a broken and unsupportable system later |
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| 13:18.57 | pratz | ok |
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| 13:19.36 | Sevet | pratz: just make sure all your lines are either oldstable/stable/testing/squeeze/wheezy/jessie consistently and understand what each one means |
| 13:19.56 | ulmer | !squeeze sources.list |
| 13:19.56 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has 3 lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze/updates> <squeeze-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list" |
| 13:20.08 | ulmer | cool it works :D |
| 13:20.23 | petn-randall | !jessie sources.list |
| 13:20.24 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for you to help with preparing the Jessie release is: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main", but you knew that already, didn't you? Ask me about <testing> <moving target> <testing security> and make sure you understand the implications of running Jessie. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free><mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list" |
| 13:20.25 | pratz | Sevet: In my case it should be wheezy I guess, as I have just installed debian 7 |
| 13:20.39 | babilen | ulmer: "/msg dpkg squeeze sources.list" would work too -- that sends a private message to the bot and does not spam the channel. |
| 13:21.11 | petn-randall | Good to see that bot is up-to-date on the release info :) |
| 13:21.15 | petn-randall | *the |
| 13:21.18 | ulmer | oh sorry and thx! |
| 13:21.29 | babilen | ulmer: no problem :D |
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| 13:21.33 | Sevet | pratz: correct. you could also use stable, but when jessie is released that'd upgrade you to that possibly earlier than wanted. using 'wheezy' you'll stay on wheezy until you intend to upgrade |
| 13:21.40 | themill | petn-randall: we updated about 100 factoids over the weekend for that... |
| 13:21.48 | petn-randall | themill++ |
| 13:21.51 | captainfreeky | babilen : anything where you can suggest rather upgrading it |
| 13:22.13 | themill | pratz, Sevet: don't use "stable" in your sources.list. We've had a steady stream of people with half-broken boxes today because they did that. |
| 13:22.33 | Sevet | themill: i don't. :) |
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| 13:22.48 | themill | good plan |
| 13:22.52 | babilen | Does anybody know if the hybrid images create a second partition that is large enough to unpack the firmware.{zip,tar.gz} there and if the firmware is detected by the installer? Background is: Is it possible to create an installer with firmware from our various CD1/DVD1/BD1 images as well? |
| 13:23.21 | babilen | I guess I could also just test it, but i am reluctant to recommend that method unless I tested it or know that it works. |
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| 13:24.23 | chrisirc | themill, actually it would have just fine without fsync, as my system didn't crash; I just had to re-run apt (more precisely, dpkg --configure -a then apt-get -f install then dist-upgrade). |
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| 13:24.43 | pratz | Sevet: I am added these three line to sources.list |
| 13:24.44 | pratz | http://dpaste.org/gACBD/ |
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| 13:25.06 | Ephexeve_laptop | Hey guys, question, I put debian with unetbooting, but I don't see the option to boot using xfce, since I want to install xfce |
| 13:25.16 | Ephexeve_laptop | any idea? booting Debian 7, 64 bits |
| 13:25.18 | themill | chrisirc: in that particular case. Imagine it was between unpacking the files and marking the package as being installed |
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| 13:25.27 | Sevet | pratz: looks good :) |
| 13:25.29 | ksk | u need an alternate install cd to install xfce from the installer itself |
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| 13:25.37 | debianN00b | I want to login in text mode . The command "update-rc.d -f kdm remove" will do the job, Do i need to edit grub too? |
| 13:25.38 | captainfreeky | any one here who can help me out with my error plz |
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| 13:25.50 | ksk | !tell Ephexeve_laptop about xfce |
| 13:26.00 | chrisirc | themill, as long as there's no system crash between chaning files and reading them, (f)sync is irrelevant. |
| 13:26.01 | Sevet | themill: i wonder if there's any way we could have apt show a warning/confirmation message when the dist stable points to changes? sure it wouldn't be possible from anything pre-wheezy, but perhaps from anything installed after whenever such a feature was added. might cut down on the upgrade problems in future? |
| 13:26.07 | chrisirc | *changing |
| 13:26.26 | Ephexeve_laptop | ksk: Yes, but when I tested 32 bits on a VM, there was the other options in the boot |
| 13:26.34 | Ephexeve_laptop | so I was able to choose kde, gnome or xfce |
| 13:26.37 | ksk | see what dpkg told you. |
| 13:26.54 | ksk | (the install xfce one) |
| 13:26.56 | Sevet | themill: store a canonical name in the repo, fetch in apt-get update, compare it to the last known value? |
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| 13:27.10 | Ephexeve_laptop | ksk: Yes, as I said, there is not advanced option |
| 13:27.21 | Ephexeve_laptop | so I wonder if this is unetbootin problem |
| 13:27.34 | themill | Sevet: that information is already in the Release file and might well be a good idea. Perhaps file it as a wishlist bug against apt. |
| 13:27.35 | ksk | should not. but unetbootin is known to suck. |
| 13:27.38 | chrisirc | themill, sync is for synching the OS cache to disk; if the OS doesn't crash it will re-read the values from the cache even if the cache isn't flushed to disk. |
| 13:27.48 | Ephexeve_laptop | ksk: Any other options I can write on usb? |
| 13:27.49 | themill | chrisirc: "if the os doesn't crash" |
| 13:27.52 | ulmer | dd is super |
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| 13:28.05 | ksk | cat is the tool debian tells you to use |
| 13:28.06 | themill | kicks out the power cord on chrisirc's machine |
| 13:28.10 | captainfreeky | I am having this issue gtk-warning cannot open display 0.0 if any one would liek to give me suggestion on this using debain 6 gnome |
| 13:28.11 | ksk | !tell Ephexeve_laptop about usb-install |
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| 13:28.58 | chrisirc | themill, I'm just noting that I actually wouldn't have been hurt in this case (unlike we thought at first). |
| 13:29.33 | chrisirc | Of course I still agree with you about kicking the power cord being a nice way to void that fact. |
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| 13:31.02 | markvandenborre | I want to create a script that asks me for how long I want to use the computer on boot |
| 13:31.12 | captainfreeky | I dont think i would be getting any more help on my topic where i am stuck |
| 13:31.24 | markvandenborre | then powers the computer down after this time is up |
| 13:31.43 | ksk | markvandenborre: there are easier way to do that |
| 13:32.36 | ksk | put a scipt that ask that (either via X or VT, depending on your needs) at startup. can be your DEs autostart-mechanism if you use one |
| 13:32.39 | ksk | asks |
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| 13:34.08 | captainfreeky | Any one woulr like to give me help on debain 6 with error gtk-warning cannot open display 0.0? |
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| 13:35.04 | markvandenborre | ksk: I would like to put it as early as possible into the boot process |
| 13:35.13 | EmleyMoor | captainfreeky: Under what circumstances is it happening? |
| 13:35.18 | markvandenborre | which probably means an early init script I guess |
| 13:35.24 | Sevet | captainfreeky: in what environment? is xorg server running, are you connected via ssh? as root? |
| 13:35.48 | markvandenborre | the triggering atd |
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| 13:36.15 | captainfreeky | Sevet: i am on xorg server via teamviewer not using ssh |
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| 13:36.22 | markvandenborre | I wonder if that isn't a bit abusive of the initscripts system, since that is more appropriate for starting/stopping daemons |
| 13:36.24 | haziqwebs | hyeepp~ |
| 13:36.27 | pratz | guys can not I add to the panel now ? |
| 13:36.27 | haziqwebs | anyone? |
| 13:36.36 | pratz | when I right click now thing happens |
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| 13:36.47 | EmleyMoor | !tell haziqwebs about ask |
| 13:37.04 | haziqwebs | about ask? |
| 13:37.11 | EmleyMoor | !ask |
| 13:37.11 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:37.12 | pratz | debian 7 - where is the drop down to add to panel ? |
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| 13:37.20 | captainfreeky | EmleyMoor: Whenever i exucute any of gui application |
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| 13:38.24 | haziqwebs | !ask is there any others apps others than ptppd in debian to create a vpn? |
| 13:38.26 | dpkg | ...but ask is already something else... |
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| 13:38.50 | EmleyMoor | captainfreeky: That's not the whole story is it? Exactly what are you running, desktop-wise? Is it on the same machine? Answering questions like that will likely speed up yoer chances of getting an answer. |
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| 13:39.14 | markvandenborre | ksk: where would you put this interactive question in the boot procedure? |
| 13:39.25 | themill | haziqwebs: there are quite a few ways of creating a vpn -- openvpn would be one of the more popular ways |
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| 13:39.35 | tuxcrafter | why arent there any backports for weezy yet>? |
| 13:39.39 | Sevet | haziqwebs: yes. openvpn, (open/strong)swan, tinc, +others |
| 13:39.44 | tuxcrafter | http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/ |
| 13:39.48 | themill | tuxcrafter: there are |
| 13:39.49 | markvandenborre | I could also dump it into /etc/inittab somewhere I suppose... |
| 13:39.57 | captainfreeky | EmleyMoor: I am using gnome no this is not the same machine whcih i am answering from |
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| 13:40.05 | EmleyMoor | tuxcrafter: Because they are drawn from jessie which is as yet identical |
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| 13:40.31 | themill | EmleyMoor: actually, jessie is already about 15% different |
| 13:40.33 | EmleyMoor | captainfreeky: So, you are trying to run GUI apps on a remote machine and display them locally, yes? |
| 13:40.34 | tuxcrafter | themill: EmleyMoor how di i configure them? |
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| 13:40.46 | tuxcrafter | deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports wheezy-backports main contrib non-free < doesnt work |
| 13:40.47 | themill | tuxcrafter: did you read the backports instructions? Or the release notes for wheezy? |
| 13:41.08 | themill | EmleyMoor: http://ircbots.debian.net/stats/ |
| 13:41.35 | Sevet | tuxcrafter: wheezy-backports was moved away from backports.debian.org to the main repositories, hence why you don't see them at that url |
| 13:41.46 | captainfreeky | EmleyMoor:Nope i want to run the gui application on the machine it self i am using teamviewer on the server and trying to up some of teh application and edit with gedit |
| 13:41.48 | tuxcrafter | ah yes that is correct |
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| 13:43.43 | tuxcrafter | fixed |
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| 13:45.56 | captainfreeky | EmleyMoor:sorry i am little new i know i can use other liek nano vim etc but i am not able to run any application it says protocol unknown if i run any app |
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| 13:48.34 | markvandenborre | captainfreeky: do you have any prompt on that machine? |
| 13:48.37 | markvandenborre | ssh? |
| 13:48.39 | pacop | please, can you help me? I can't continue upgrading my server, I get E: The value 'squeeze' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources . /etc/apt/sources.list: http://pastebin.com/i3rZSBDs |
| 13:48.54 | markvandenborre | then what does pgrep Xorg say? |
| 13:49.03 | markvandenborre | or ps aux|grep Xorg ? |
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| 13:49.38 | captainfreeky | markvandenborre: well i dont use ssh now but later i would be using once my machine is stable with issues what i have right now |
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| 13:50.29 | markvandenborre | captainfreeky: then use another way of finding out if you have an actual xorg server running on that machine first |
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| 13:50.59 | markvandenborre | and if you ask "how do I do that", I just gave you a possible answer |
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| 13:51.22 | themill | pacop: you're wanting to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy? |
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| 13:52.06 | markvandenborre | where would I put a script that asks the user for how long he wants to use the computer right after boot? |
| 13:52.37 | pacop | themill, sure, I already made the dist-upgrade like in another server, but now I edited the sources.list and changed squeeze to wheezy |
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| 13:52.46 | pacop | I rebooted, all is fine except mail |
| 13:52.54 | pacop | I know how to solve it but I can't use apt :S |
| 13:53.05 | themill | pacop: replace "stable" with "wheezy" in your sources.list and remove the Default-Release line from your /etc/apt/preferences or preferences.d/* |
| 13:53.34 | markvandenborre | custom initscript looks like the cleanest way, since sometimes the text-only vt's will be used, and sometimes vt7/xorg... |
| 13:53.46 | pacop | I made that but I get: E: The value 'squeeze' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 13:53.47 | markvandenborre | does that sound like a good idea? |
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| 13:54.00 | pacop | I don't have any reference to squeeze in sources.list |
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| 13:54.10 | themill | pacop: your sources.list is currently wrong as is your apt preferences |
| 13:55.14 | pacop | *thanks! themill, I removed a line from apt.conf :) |
| 13:55.27 | ompaul | pacop: is this line in your sources.list deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian stable main |
| 13:55.30 | markvandenborre | captainfreeky: good luck! |
| 13:55.53 | pacop | ompaul, I have that line but with stable instead of wheezy, it seems to work |
| 13:56.01 | themill | pacop: did you also fix your sources.list, changing "stable" to "wheezy"? Please go back and fix your other machines too |
| 13:56.05 | themill | dpkg: tell pacop about stable sources.list |
| 13:56.07 | ompaul | pacop: clue, change that |
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| 13:57.23 | thunder1212 | Hi |
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| 14:01.10 | pacop | themill, ompaul , thank you |
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| 14:04.38 | errabyte | congrats on new release |
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| 14:06.07 | Towzzer | why does debian hide what kernel version it uses on wheezy |
| 14:06.21 | Towzzer | there is a news page about the release that lists packages and such but not what kernel version |
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| 14:06.37 | Towzzer | and it seems in general always annoying to find out what kernel version is being used |
| 14:06.44 | thunder1212 | Towzzer, it uses 3.2 |
| 14:07.12 | pratz | debian 7 - how can I add to panel ? |
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| 14:08.49 | crazydip | upgrading squeeze (fresh install 3 weeks ago) -> wheezy, getting "grub was previously installed to a disk that is no longer present" and then an option to install grub on a /dev/ device... options are /dev/vda /dev/dm-0 (root) and /dev/vda1 weirdly... I'm using lvm... where should I "install" grub? |
| 14:09.02 | naveko | hello everybody! Is it possible to host a website on a Debian with Apache that is accessible from external IPs? |
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| 14:09.43 | p3rror | hello |
| 14:09.58 | xand | naveko: of course it is |
| 14:09.59 | p3rror | How to verify if my card is supported by Linux kernel |
| 14:10.00 | crazydip | naveko: yes it is... a huge percentage of the internet is doing just that :) |
| 14:10.01 | thunder1212 | hello |
| 14:10.52 | naveko | crazydip: xand I am using apache on my mac as a localhost, but I would like to host development sites on my debian machine |
| 14:11.10 | naveko | Is there a good tutorial for that? |
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| 14:11.51 | naveko | the idea is that customers can view the development site hosted on my debian |
| 14:11.59 | crazydip | naveko: i'm sure there a plenty... it's pretty much the same thing as on your mac except instead of localhost you will use a public ip |
| 14:12.05 | mumpitzel | p3rror: "linux <your card>" in google or better: "linux <pci id of your card>" |
| 14:13.06 | mumpitzel | crazydip: is this a VM? |
| 14:13.18 | crazydip | mumpitzel: yes it's a VM using KVM |
| 14:13.33 | Terminus | naveko: it's more of a networking question since a simple apache configuration will accept connections from everywhere. it depends on factors like are you behind a NAT. |
| 14:13.36 | mumpitzel | crazydip: /dev/vda I'd say |
| 14:14.07 | naveko | Terminus: I don't know what a NAT is, I am sorry |
| 14:14.24 | mumpitzel | naveko: you will also want virtual hosts for your different clients and probably basic auth so not just everyone can look at your client's sites |
| 14:14.35 | mumpitzel | naveko: but you are a web developer, right? |
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| 14:14.43 | naveko | right now the machine is accessible from an external IP for GitLab |
| 14:14.44 | Terminus | naveko: if you're behind a NAT, you will have to refer to your router manufacturer's documentation on how to forward the relevant ports. |
| 14:14.47 | p3rror | mumpitzel, pci id of card what is it ? |
| 14:15.02 | pratz | debian 7 - how can I add to panel ? |
| 14:15.04 | mumpitzel | p3rror: how would I know what kind of hardware you have? man lspci |
| 14:15.11 | naveko | mumpitzel: yes I am, but I don't know much about Debian.. I am very exited about it though |
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| 14:15.14 | mumpitzel | pratz: add what to panel? |
| 14:15.25 | Terminus | naveko: if the machine has a public ip address, it can most likely just be accessed using that assuming it's not firewalled. |
| 14:15.52 | pratz | mumpitzel: need to add some applets to panel, but can not find the drop down to add them |
| 14:16.28 | Terminus | naveko: if you're doing virtual hosts as mumpitzel mentioned, then you will have to use externally resolvable hostnames to direct connections to the proper site. this can complicate things. |
| 14:16.33 | mumpitzel | pratz: so you have a gnome3 question. state stuff like this directly. always remember we can't see your PC and what you mean by magic |
| 14:16.37 | naveko | Terminus: so if I add a virtual server by editing the hosts and http config files, the site should be accessible? |
| 14:17.09 | p3rror | mumpitzel, http://pastebin.com/Jm9218Cp |
| 14:17.16 | Terminus | naveko: what virtual server? |
| 14:17.29 | naveko | mumpitzel: I was planning to use htpasswords |
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| 14:17.50 | Terminus | naveko: i recommend starting simple. install apache, confirm that you can see the default page via localhost, then test if you can access the same page externally using the public ip address. |
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| 14:18.03 | naveko | Terminus: well locally I just add virtual servers to my httpd-vhosts file |
| 14:18.08 | mumpitzel | p3rror: lspci -nn to get the pci id, but intel ethernet is supported |
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| 14:18.23 | naveko | Terminus: I have already got GitLab running on that IP |
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| 14:18.35 | Terminus | naveko: you probably mean virtual hosts, not virtual servers in the context of apache. |
| 14:18.49 | Terminus | naveko: what is gitlab running on? apache? |
| 14:18.52 | naveko | Terminus: sorry, you're right |
| 14:18.56 | Terminus | naveko: how do you access it externally? as an example. |
| 14:19.06 | crazydip | what's the difference between grub2 and grub-pc? is grub-pc grub1? |
| 14:19.31 | naveko | Terminus: I didn't install it myself, but I guess it's very likely Apache |
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| 14:19.55 | p3rror | mumpitzel, http://pastebin.com/XYgt6Mgt |
| 14:19.55 | naveko | Terminus: It's accessible like this: http://your-source-server.nl/users/sign_in |
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| 14:21.27 | naveko | Terminus: so I figured we should be able to add a virtual host like 'developing-site.your-source-server.nl' |
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| 14:22.06 | Terminus | naveko: in that case, port 80 is already in use. if it's running on apache and assuming you want http://foo.example.net to be accessible, you will need to add foo.example.net to your virtual hosts then add an A record for foo.example.net on your authoritative dns server. |
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| 14:22.27 | aguitel | how improve boot process in wheezy ? |
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| 14:22.56 | waynr | aguitel: what do you want to improve? |
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| 14:23.15 | aguitel | waynr, time |
| 14:23.17 | naveko | Terminus: I think I can manage finding the virtual host file, but I am not sure about the dns server part |
| 14:23.25 | aguitel | faster boot process |
| 14:23.34 | themill | uninstall crap. Don't reboot. |
| 14:23.39 | waynr | aguitel: how long does it currently take? |
| 14:23.59 | aguitel | waynr, 60 sec |
| 14:24.02 | ws2k3 | how can i find out which debian version i am running? |
| 14:24.14 | ws2k3 | uname -a/r only shows me kernel and stuff |
| 14:24.17 | Terminus | naveko: you will have to talk to whoever configured your domain regarding where dns is hosted and how to modify it. |
| 14:24.22 | themill | ws2k3: hopefully you already know, given you look after the box. |
| 14:24.24 | waynr | ws2k3: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 14:24.38 | ws2k3 | yes i do know |
| 14:24.40 | naveko | Terminus: okay |
| 14:24.44 | ws2k3 | but i wanne know for sure |
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| 14:25.11 | ws2k3 | okay thx |
| 14:25.18 | waynr | aguitel: one thing you could do is remove unnecessary services from the boot process |
| 14:25.20 | ws2k3 | if i wanne upgrade 6 to 7 is that easly be done? |
| 14:25.38 | ws2k3 | can i just run dist-upgrade or os there more i should look at |
| 14:25.44 | waynr | aguitel: another thing you could do is to get a solid state drive and install your main system (rootfs) on that |
| 14:25.54 | crn | any big issues with upgrading from debian 6 to debian 7 via apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 14:25.56 | Terminus | naveko: if it's configured to direct *.example.net to the same ip address, you won't have to make any modifications with your dns entries. |
| 14:26.00 | themill | ws2k3: as usual, you should read through the release notes |
| 14:26.11 | themill | crn: read the release notes |
| 14:26.14 | waynr | aguitel: this is what i do on my laptop, i have a 128GB SSD for main OSes and a standard HDD for data storage |
| 14:26.19 | mtn | ws2k3: or read the topic: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 14:26.23 | naveko | Terminus: I think that would good enough for me |
| 14:26.28 | crn | themill, thanks. |
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| 14:26.55 | aguitel | waynr, how the system show me all process ? |
| 14:27.08 | ws2k3 | thx |
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| 14:28.20 | waynr | aguitel: here is a wiki page that might help http://wiki.debian.org/BootProcessSpeedup |
| 14:28.44 | aguitel | waynr, ok |
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| 14:33.47 | naveko | Terminus: I found this: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/412 |
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| 14:34.25 | naveko | Terminus: looks quite straightforward |
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| 14:35.31 | Terminus | naveko: it's not really complex once you've don it. |
| 14:35.52 | naveko | Terminus: sounds good :) |
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| 14:36.22 | anddam | I need to reinstall my system, I saved contents of /etc /home /var/www /usr/local, anyting obvious I should be saving? |
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| 14:37.29 | Terminus | anddam: that's about it although i tend to be safe and backup all of /var |
| 14:37.49 | anddam | Terminus: I only have a couple static sites |
| 14:37.58 | anddam | that is only lighttpd |
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| 14:38.23 | Terminus | well, if you're sure that /var/www is the only thing you need, go ahead. |
| 14:38.45 | Terminus | i tend to grab all of it just in case i forget there's a DB there, or git repos, etc. |
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| 14:40.55 | anddam | about installed packages, is dpkg -l | grep \^i a good shot at it? |
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| 14:41.02 | anddam | is there a debian tool to handle this? |
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| 14:43.00 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 14:43.42 | johnfg | I've read the /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy. Any special caveats concerning this? |
| 14:44.27 | johnfg | In the past, with new debian versions, I've had trouble, and ended up doing a fresh install of the new version, then restoring what programs and files I wanted. |
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| 14:44.51 | pacop | I have problems upgrading from dovecot 1.x to dovecot 2.1 (squeeze -> wheezy). I already ugpraded one server successfully, I'm using same config and I get this problem: Initialization failed: Initializing mail storage from mail_location setting failed: Home directory not set for user. Can't expand ~/ for mail root dir in: ~/Maildir my postfix conf: http://pastebin.com/LvT92xf4 any idea? thank you in advance |
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| 14:45.19 | pacop | I mean: my dovecot conf |
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| 14:47.47 | crazydip | mumpitzel: I used "grub-probe -t device /boot/grub" to see where grub was installed and it told me grub was previously installed on vga1 which sounded fishy/stupid but I selected vga1 anyway in grub install menu - grub said "hell no!" - then I chose vga (which made sense to me) and all is well... rebooted in vnc to see bootup: no errors yay :D |
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| 14:48.48 | crazydip | weird that during dist-upgrade from a pretty minimal/fresh squeeze I got this "grub no longer installed" crazyness :( |
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| 14:51.23 | naveko | Terminus: thank you for your help |
| 14:51.50 | Terminus | naveko: good luck. =) |
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| 14:52.17 | naveko | Terminus: thanks :) |
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| 15:01.25 | SudoAptitude | Hi. I need to get a MySQL-Server 4.1.22 running. However after downloading the rpm, "alien"ing it to deb and installing, it wont start successfully via /etc/init.d/mysql start . Is there a better approach? can I apt-get it somehow? |
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| 15:02.00 | ompaul | !alien |
| 15:02.00 | dpkg | alien is, like, a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to Debian, Debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc. http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
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| 15:02.17 | ompaul | and rather nasty when it doesn't work |
| 15:02.35 | ompaul | ,version mysql |
| 15:02.36 | judd | No package named 'mysql' was found in i386. |
| 15:02.39 | SudoAptitude | yes i did it. i downloaded the rpm, used alien to create the deb. installed it via dpkg -i file.deb . but then /etc/init.d/mysql start throws errors, like the following: |
| 15:02.40 | ompaul | ,version mysql5 |
| 15:02.41 | judd | No package named 'mysql5' was found in i386. |
| 15:02.50 | SudoAptitude | /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 15:02.51 | SudoAptitude | /etc/init.d/mysql: 63: /etc/init.d/mysql: source: not found |
| 15:02.51 | SudoAptitude | Starting MySQL |
| 15:02.51 | SudoAptitude | .................................../etc/init.d/mysql: 119: /etc/init.d/mysql: log_failure_msg: not found |
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| 15:02.53 | ompaul | ,version mysql-5 |
| 15:02.53 | judd | No package named 'mysql-5' was found in i386. |
| 15:03.01 | ompaul | ,version mysql-server |
| 15:03.03 | judd | Package: mysql-server on i386 -- squeeze: 5.1.49-3; squeeze-security: 5.1.63-0+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 5.1.66-0+squeeze1; jessie: 5.5.30+dfsg-1.1; sid: 5.5.30+dfsg-1.1; wheezy: 5.5.30+dfsg-1.1 |
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| 15:03.53 | ompaul | ,version mysql-server |
| 15:03.54 | judd | Package: mysql-server on i386 -- squeeze: 5.1.49-3; squeeze-security: 5.1.63-0+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 5.1.66-0+squeeze1; jessie: 5.5.30+dfsg-1.1; sid: 5.5.30+dfsg-1.1; wheezy: 5.5.30+dfsg-1.1 |
| 15:04.03 | TheWarden | Hi |
| 15:04.07 | SudoAptitude | re. sr5y i was thrown out of here because of flooding Oo (4 lines...) |
| 15:04.22 | ompaul | SudoAptitude: ^^ there has been no support for version 4 for several years |
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| 15:04.43 | ompaul | SudoAptitude: security or otherwise, what version of debian are you trying to run this on |
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| 15:04.51 | SudoAptitude | The legacy application that I need to install runs with mysql 4.1.22 only, I'm afrain :/ |
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| 15:05.05 | ompaul | be very afraid and answer the question |
| 15:05.13 | ompaul | what version of debian are you trying to run this on? |
| 15:05.14 | SudoAptitude | the latest stable debian, but I can install any OS I want. |
| 15:05.19 | TheWarden | I recently created a preseed file to automate system installs for Debian Squeeze. Has the Wheezy installer changed that I need to alter my preseed file? Is so what do I need to alter and where can I find out about this for Wheezy? |
| 15:05.41 | ompaul | SudoAptitude: is this application facing the internet? |
| 15:05.59 | petn-randall | SudoAptitude: So you've got wheezy? That's been released a day ago. |
| 15:06.03 | Asenar | Hi, I m actually on debian 6, how can I upgrade to 7 ? if I change /etc/apt/sources.list, is that enough ? |
| 15:06.22 | petn-randall | Asenar: You have to change the sources.list, and actually upgrade the packages. |
| 15:06.30 | SudoAptitude | no. it will be running on PCs in the local network. it will connect to mysql via this local network. |
| 15:06.35 | Asenar | thanks you petn |
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| 15:07.00 | Asenar | if that's works so easily that rocks ! |
| 15:07.11 | caravel | Asenar: wait just a sec |
| 15:07.14 | petn-randall | Asenar: Check out the release notes on how to do it, and possible problems you might run into: http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/releasenotes |
| 15:07.30 | runixo | heyas. is it possible to make dnsmasq resolve Avahi/Zeroconf name queries? |
| 15:07.37 | caravel | Asenar: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 15:07.54 | ompaul | SudoAptitude: so then go look at the old editions of debian, check out archives and install one of those with your old mysql in a virtual machine if you want it to work - alien is nothing to be using if you want to remain anywhere close to sane |
| 15:08.02 | caravel | Asenar: even better, start with petn-randall link indeed :) |
| 15:08.03 | ompaul | !archive |
| 15:08.03 | dpkg | it has been said that archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 15:08.08 | Asenar | thanks you for the 2nd link carandraug yeah :) |
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| 15:08.23 | Asenar | oh, really ? the first link ? |
| 15:08.35 | SudoAptitude | ompaul: if it is an rpm, do you reckon using Suse would be easier? I mean suse uses rpm by default |
| 15:08.36 | caravel | Asenar: 1st link will lead you to 2nd |
| 15:08.46 | Asenar | yes, I saw |
| 15:08.48 | caravel | Asenar: but you'd better read 1st first :) |
| 15:08.53 | ompaul | SudoAptitude: if you have to use an RPM you are in the wrong place ;-) |
| 15:09.00 | petn-randall | Asenar: Depending on which architecture you're on, caravel's link might be the right one or not. |
| 15:09.02 | Asenar | the first seems really long |
| 15:09.04 | ompaul | SudoAptitude: whatever it came with back then is what you want |
| 15:09.07 | caravel | also |
| 15:09.15 | Asenar | 32 bits |
| 15:09.24 | caravel | was too fast, too bad |
| 15:09.24 | SudoAptitude | Didnt find any deb of this old mysql version ^^ |
| 15:09.25 | Asenar | (I m almost sure !) |
| 15:09.37 | Terminus | SudoAptitude: the route i'd probably try to take is to roll my own deb using the newest 4.x sources. |
| 15:09.50 | caravel | Asenar: I was lucky then, I should start playing loto :) |
| 15:09.56 | Asenar | ;) |
| 15:10.15 | SudoAptitude | Teminus: That sounds painfully complicated :D |
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| 15:10.31 | Asenar | anyway, if that was the wrong link I can change 32 to 64, but direct to chapter 4 is good :) |
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| 15:10.59 | Terminus | or build 4.x for squeeze or wheezy in an isolated place like /opt/mysql-4.x/ then tar the thing for deployment. |
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| 15:11.28 | Terminus | SudoAptitude: you need 4.x. that makes things more complicated than aptitude install mysql. =P |
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| 15:12.23 | SudoAptitude | I am wating for the day that allows apritude install --force mysql-4-1-22 |
| 15:13.31 | ompaul | SudoAptitude: it is some time in the past |
| 15:14.00 | themill | wonders if mysql 4 even compiles still |
| 15:14.08 | ompaul | themill: I doubt it |
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| 15:14.16 | ompaul | too many libcs |
| 15:14.27 | themill | pickier gcc |
| 15:14.40 | timmmaaaayyy | does debian still have "universe" repos? i'm trying to install webmin but it keeps complaining about missing dependencies, but i can't install those either. the webmin docs say i might need to enable the universe repo |
| 15:14.56 | ompaul | SudoAptitude: I solved this problem for you, go research the archive, find the one that has the version you want, install that in a virtual machine and get on with your life anything else is a waste of time |
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| 15:15.21 | ompaul | timmmaaaayyy: that's ubuntu docs debian never had universe |
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| 15:15.23 | id10t | timmmaaaayyy: "universe" is a ubuntu thing |
| 15:15.25 | themill | timmmaaaayyy: Debian never had "universe" and webmin is not in debian |
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| 15:15.49 | timmmaaaayyy | ahhh ok. webmin has it's own .deb installer |
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| 15:16.03 | timmmaaaayyy | i know it's not in the repos...but the dependencies should be |
| 15:16.15 | ompaul | timmmaaaayyy: for what you read you are in the wrong channel, if you really ran debian we'd quickly tell you webmin is a bad idea implemented in a way that is insane if you are on public facing machine |
| 15:16.23 | SudoAptitude | *afk* trying to get this old thing working :D thx everyone |
| 15:16.38 | id10t | timmmaaaayyy: not necissarily... if it is an ubuntu package, there may be different library versions, etc. that aren't in the deb repos |
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| 15:16.46 | ompaul | SudoAptitude: read the archives link, do the VM, and you are done |
| 15:16.53 | themill | timmmaaaayyy: also, webmin is pretty speshul. I wouldn't let it near any machine I was looking after |
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| 15:18.04 | timmmaaaayyy | ok i definitely understand that you all hate it....however there are little thing i like to be able to use it for becuase i'm not a linux genius |
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| 15:18.33 | themill | you'll need to be to clean up after the mess it makes |
| 15:19.12 | timmmaaaayyy | however, i've used it on every debian machine i've ever created (home LAN only) and it normally installs the dependencies just fine. the depenencies it wants are here: www.webmin.com/deb.html -- did those change in debian 7 or something like that? |
| 15:19.36 | ompaul | themill: not a genius - just read a few more docs than some and a lot less than others |
| 15:19.44 | ompaul | woops |
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| 15:20.15 | ompaul | timmmaaaayyy: not a genius - just read a few more docs than some and a lot less than others - see themill's comment on cleaning up after it - it is not good for your sanity or upgrades later |
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| 15:21.51 | timmmaaaayyy | can we ignore the fact that i ever said 'webmin' and just focus on the missing dependencies problem? :) http://pastebin.com/wbzB5KP3 any ideas how i'd fix that? |
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| 15:22.19 | timmmaaaayyy | i run into this more often than i'd like and i've never really successfully found out how to fix it |
| 15:22.26 | Terminus | just for fun, i did aptitude search webmin. no results. XD |
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| 15:23.09 | Ephexeve_laptop | Hey guys, I getting this when installing catalyst.. -> http://bpaste.net/show/eS4ughnWU0X8RlKUvv2V/ |
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| 15:24.05 | Terminus | Ephexeve_laptop: sed 's, not sed's |
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| 15:24.28 | Terminus | assuming that regex is correct. |
| 15:24.59 | pacop | solved my dovecot problem! all I needed to do was to add an user to users.conf file before the last part of each line :) |
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| 15:25.13 | timmmaaaayyy | ahhh i got it. i just kept repeating the command adding more and more dependencies until it was happy. :) thanks |
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| 15:26.27 | Ephexeve_laptop | Terminus: Ok, fixed it, but apparently it does nto install anything O_o http://bpaste.net/show/cSgyFSrZZa4WM7RjDNKC/ |
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| 15:27.10 | yang | After running aptitude safe-upgrade, the aptitide dist-upgrade only leaves 2 dependancies left, so is it required at all to be run after upgrading between releases ? |
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| 15:27.45 | Terminus | Ephexeve_laptop: you just want headers for your arch right? |
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| 15:28.00 | Ephexeve_laptop | Terminus: Well, I just wanna install catalyst |
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| 15:28.05 | Ephexeve_laptop | driver for my card, that's all |
| 15:28.42 | jdoles | When I upgrade to Wheezy from Squeeze, it doesn't boot because it is waiting for a tap device to come up (which never happens). This also happens when starting in recovery mode. |
| 15:28.42 | Terminus | Ephexeve_laptop: aptitude install "linux-headers$(uname -r | sed 's,.*\(-.*\)$,\1,')" |
| 15:29.05 | Ephexeve_laptop | Terminus: Same |
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| 15:29.13 | KidBeta | i keep getting a error i cannot fix whenever i try and do apt-get upgrade |
| 15:29.22 | Terminus | Ephexeve_laptop: beats me then. i don't have nonfree enabled so i have no idea if fgrlx exists. |
| 15:29.28 | KidBeta | dkpg has quit unexpectly or something along those lines |
| 15:29.37 | Ephexeve_laptop | Terminus: http://bpaste.net/show/5v8oL3QjMWbUjWnpnYT2/ |
| 15:29.48 | Ephexeve_laptop | Anyone knows how to install catalyst on debian 7?! |
| 15:30.08 | Terminus | Ephexeve_laptop: if the package does exist, i expect it to just pull in the relevant dependencies so there should be no reason to specify linux headers to install. |
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| 15:30.44 | Ephexeve_laptop | well, following what the debian wiki says |
| 15:30.47 | mtn | KidBeta: please paste the exact command and errors to paste.debian.net |
| 15:30.55 | jdoles | My Debian system is thus completely dead. Can anyone please help me? |
| 15:32.05 | Sevet_ | jdoles: try using the rescue mode from the debian installer cd to get to a terminal on your install and correct the issue from there |
| 15:32.06 | Terminus | Ephexeve_laptop: i suspect you don't have non-free repos enabled because http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=fglrx&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
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| 15:32.31 | KidBeta | sure one second |
| 15:32.33 | markvandenborre | jdoles: some basic info might make it easier for people to help |
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| 15:32.53 | Ephexeve_laptop | Terminus: Well, I enabled what the wiki said: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 15:33.18 | Sevet_ | jdoles: if the tap device is configured in /etc/network/interfaces perhaps commenting that out would be sufficient to get the system to boot |
| 15:33.18 | Terminus | Ephexeve_laptop: are you on squeeze or wheezy? |
| 15:33.20 | markvandenborre | how do I make sure the rest of the (dependency based, wheezy) initscripts wait for my initscript to finish? |
| 15:33.28 | Ephexeve_laptop | Terminus: wheezy |
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| 15:33.44 | Sevet_ | Ephexeve_laptop: you want to replace squeeze with wheezy in that line then |
| 15:33.50 | markvandenborre | jdoles: do you want to try and do data recovery on a dead disk? |
| 15:33.52 | Ephexeve_laptop | Aham |
| 15:33.56 | markvandenborre | do you want to diagnose your problem? |
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| 15:34.43 | Terminus | Ephexeve_laptop: from a quick inspection of the packages, i expect that adding the non-free repo and installing fglrx-control will give you what you want. |
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| 15:34.50 | KidBeta | huh seems to work now |
| 15:34.54 | KidBeta | ill copy it if it breaks again |
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| 15:35.34 | Aiwass | Hi, anyone here had problems reading packages changelog with aptitude |
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| 15:35.52 | Aiwass | I get a 404 error |
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| 15:36.23 | ctmjr | jdoles: what happens when you press ctrl+c when it hangs |
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| 15:36.43 | Terminus | whoa... i had no idea aptitude can display changelogs. neat. |
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| 15:37.29 | Terminus | Aiwass: works here. at least for packages already installed. maybe it's a problem with your repo? |
| 15:37.30 | Aiwass | Yes, it can, with "C" key |
| 15:37.50 | Terminus | i don't actually use the aptitude gui. =) |
| 15:38.01 | Terminus | errr, tui in this case. |
| 15:38.45 | Towzzer | whereis returns 0 even if the program does not exist? |
| 15:38.53 | Aiwass | I'll change repo to US ftp |
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| 15:39.23 | id10t | anyone run their own local mirror of debian? i've been halfway doign it with apt-mirror for a while, but i've noticed i'm getting 404 errors on translations package indexes, and the release vs release-updates vs release-proposed-updates vs release-backports is causign me some errors too that i have to keep fixing in my mirrors.list file |
| 15:39.45 | Towzzer | id10t, the apt cacher is sometimes better |
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| 15:40.05 | Terminus | id10t: i use debmirror. i haven't touched the config in two years though. |
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| 15:40.08 | id10t | Towzzer: i actually want a full mirror for i386 and amd64 |
| 15:40.15 | Towzzer | ah |
| 15:40.46 | id10t | Towzzer: started this a few years ago, apt-mirror seemed the easiest choice then, but now i'm wondering... but then, i don't want to scrub it all and re-download gigs and gigs of stuff i already have |
| 15:40.48 | Terminus | id10t: i recommend debmirror for what you want then. =) |
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| 15:48.05 | phacele55 | is there another redirect to a complete aircrack-ng package? |
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| 15:57.59 | pacop | Debian Wheezy rooocksss!! it's making a much better use of my servers memory and they work faster! |
| 15:58.05 | pacop | :D thank you! |
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| 15:58.12 | pacop | I'm going to donate |
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| 15:59.27 | jdoles | Are tap devices not supported anymore/is this a known issue? |
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| 16:00.00 | ksk | what is a known issue? |
| 16:00.03 | ksk | jdoles: |
| 16:00.16 | ksk | probably you have to create a tap device by yourself |
| 16:00.19 | ksk | (google) |
| 16:00.22 | jdoles | ksk: tap devices holding back boot. |
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| 16:00.41 | jdoles | Especially in single user mode. |
| 16:01.07 | jdoles | Single user mode is supposed to be rock solid. |
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| 16:06.09 | ksk | guess its not if you fucked it up :) |
| 16:06.27 | ksk | how about describing what you did, what the error is, and what you want to archive? ( paste.debian.org ) |
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| 16:06.51 | jdoles | I removed the tap device now. It now hangs at starting NFS utilities. |
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| 16:08.38 | ksk | which tap device? which nfs utilities? |
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| 16:15.47 | jdoles | ksk: the start of the bug is the same as http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=673936 |
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| 16:17.42 | yogg | hi |
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| 16:18.29 | leowt | i got a mdadm raid 10 with 4 500gb disks. One of them have failed, and the system booted up with ~500gb partition instead of 1TB and mdadm is recovering. Do this means that ive lost data on half of the partition? |
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| 16:19.11 | yogg | i have just installed debian7 and use the gnome fallback mode. Is there any way I can scroll trough my 4 desktops? I think compiz made this possible in the last version |
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| 16:20.19 | fosstux | Hi! I've installed a SATA RAID Controller in my server. How do I need to configure the raid? |
| 16:20.23 | fosstux | With mdadm? |
| 16:21.00 | cerettala_laptop | So I used efibootmgr to remove the entries for two previously installed operating systems, and it looks like it went and nixed everything. When I boot from a livecd, what do I need to do to get the EFI entry in the BIOS back back? |
| 16:21.13 | EmleyMoor | fosstux: That would be my recommendation - though if it's proper RAID, it may be worth setting it up "hardware-side" |
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| 16:22.08 | fosstux | EmleyMoor: I did set up the LD on the promise controller. |
| 16:22.23 | fosstux | Should the raid then be a normal hdd? |
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| 16:22.45 | EmleyMoor | fosstux: I would have thought so... but I wouldn't know for sure |
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| 16:23.30 | KidBeta | for anyone interested im having a issue trying to install the metasploit package |
| 16:23.41 | KidBeta | paste.debian.net/2471/ |
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| 16:25.25 | Sevet_ | fosstux: have you already created the raid arrays in the promise controller's bios? |
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| 16:25.53 | fosstux | yes - I've added the 2 hdds to LD 1 using raid 1 |
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| 16:26.14 | Sevet_ | fosstux: if you have an you only see the virtual drive then just install on it as normal. if you see the physical individual drives you have a fakeraid card which implements the raid in software drivers. that's the same as using mdadm. |
| 16:26.56 | yogg | ok it woks if I move the mouse over the desktop-plugin on the lower rigt side. But would be nicer if i can mode the mouse to an free place on the desktop and scroll then :/ |
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| 16:27.05 | fosstux | Sevet_: What should te virtual device be called? |
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| 16:27.48 | Sevet_ | fosstux: do you see 1 HDD or 2 HDDs in the debian installer? |
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| 16:28.17 | fosstux | I did not reinstall debian as the 2 hdds are only /data |
| 16:28.18 | EmleyMoor | KidBeta: That's not a package in Debian... |
| 16:29.20 | Sevet_ | ah ok. they'll only have generic names (/dev/sd* probably), not any description you set in the raid bios |
| 16:29.52 | KidBeta | EmleyMoor its based on debian so i figured this was the best channel |
| 16:29.54 | somiaj | KidBeta: #debian does not support packages built by other people. Ask the builders of their package why their install scripts are broken. Are you sure you are installing it for the right version of debian (and it isn't really a ubuntu or other package) |
| 16:30.27 | KidBeta | im pretty sure what happened was that i was doing a apt-get update and upgrade and the internet crapped it pants a couple times |
| 16:30.36 | KidBeta | going in and out |
| 16:30.40 | KidBeta | corrupting the package |
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| 16:31.53 | EmleyMoor | What operating system are you actually running? |
| 16:31.56 | KidBeta | kali |
| 16:32.00 | apm1 | lol |
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| 16:32.33 | EmleyMoor | Not one I've even heard of before |
| 16:32.47 | KidBeta | i get a dpkg was interrupted you must manually run `dpkg --configure -a` to correct the problem |
| 16:32.51 | KidBeta | i do, it doesnt fix it :| |
| 16:32.58 | apm1 | its a security penetration testing focused debian derivative EmleyMoor |
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| 16:33.11 | EmleyMoor | KidBeta: /join #kali-linux |
| 16:33.19 | Sevet_ | !tell KidBeta about kali |
| 16:33.29 | fosstux | Sevet_: I'm using a Promise FastTrak TX2300 |
| 16:33.38 | KidBeta | i tried kali but it didnt seem rlevant thanks guys |
| 16:33.52 | KidBeta | didnt find that channel |
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| 16:34.00 | EmleyMoor | "that channel"? |
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| 16:34.30 | Sevet_ | fosstux: afaik that's a fakeraid controller... so use mdadm |
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| 16:34.38 | EmleyMoor | #kali-linux certainly exists and looks full of people. |
| 16:34.39 | raccoon_ | fosstux: hey! i'm still using my trusty Ultra133TX :-) |
| 16:34.47 | raccoon_ | good ol pata |
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| 16:35.24 | fosstux | Are there real haedware raid sata controllers around? |
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| 16:36.19 | Sevet_ | yes, but they're much rarer. it's cheaper to put the raid logic in a driver than to build a more complex chip to do it independantly of the os |
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| 16:36.33 | fosstux | ok thanks |
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| 16:38.43 | Feigr | I am trying to get ProFont to be recognized by Debian. I have put the .pcf files in /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/ and done mkfontdir and xset fp rehash. But putting -*-profont-*-*-*-*-11-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1 in .Xresources does not work |
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| 16:38.50 | Feigr | I am using rxvt-unicode |
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| 16:40.33 | Feigr | the error I get is: urxvt: unable to load base fontset, please specify a valid one using fn, aborting. |
| 16:40.45 | faceless_ | cc -pipe -Wall -DOPENSSL -O3 -c -o cowpatty.o cowpatty.c |
| 16:40.46 | faceless_ | cowpatty.c:38:18: fatal error: pcap.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:40.46 | faceless_ | compilation terminated. |
| 16:40.46 | faceless_ | make: *** [cowpatty.o] Error 1 |
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| 16:41.13 | Feigr | xlsfonts -fn *prof* does list profont |
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| 16:42.01 | raccoon_ | Feigr: then you should be able to use it with an XLS preix in the font string |
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| 16:42.14 | raccoon_ | that is, xls:<font family>, if im not mistaken |
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| 16:42.41 | raccoon_ | there are at least two currently existing font subsystems that is in use on linux |
| 16:42.56 | raccoon_ | font-cache is one of them, might need an "fc-cache" to re-read the lists |
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| 16:43.21 | Feigr | I have done fc-cache -fv |
| 16:43.22 | jpeach | I was using AC_CHECK_LIB([pthread_exit], [pthread]) but this was getting tripped up by symbol stubs in libc ; switching to pthread_create gives the expected result … can anyone advise on how reliable this should be? |
| 16:43.37 | jpeach | pointers to docs or things I should read would be welcome too :) |
| 16:43.52 | Feigr | do you mean that I should use Urxvt.font: xls:profont:pixelsize=11? |
| 16:43.58 | Feigr | in .Xresources |
| 16:44.15 | raccoon_ | Feigr: yeah. you could try "fc-list" and see if fc have found it a tal |
| 16:44.16 | raccoon_ | *at all |
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| 16:44.28 | raccoon_ | some times the fonts have weird font family names that you have to provide |
| 16:44.33 | Feigr | on Arch I have URxvt.font: xft:profont:size=11, that's what I was used to, but it does not work at present on Debian |
| 16:45.28 | raccoon_ | i guess that could depend on how your particular environment is set up. |
| 16:45.45 | Feigr | fc-list does not have profont at all, interesting |
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| 16:46.30 | raccoon_ | Feigr: hmmmm, if im not entirely mistaken fc only looks in your ~/.fonts dir for new fonts, when you run fc-cache |
| 16:46.58 | raccoon_ | drop em in there and see if fc likes it better |
| 16:47.29 | d_arcy | hi |
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| 16:47.48 | d_arcy | is it possible to change the order the services are stopped during shutdown ? |
| 16:48.15 | raccoon_ | d_arcy: yeah, patch the initscripts |
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| 16:48.26 | raccoon_ | they have dependency chains in there so you could manipulate the order |
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| 16:49.56 | Feigr | raccoon_: it does not seem to have done any difference, still no profont in fc-list |
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| 16:52.44 | yogg | is there any way how I can change the border thikness to 2 pixel (gnome classic)? Its sometimes hard to hit the corner for resizing windows |
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| 16:56.28 | d_arcy | raccoon_: i modified the Required-stop and it seems OK now. Thanks |
| 16:57.30 | Feigr | raccoon_: ok I got it to work with the .ttf version of the font in ~/.fonts/ |
| 16:57.34 | Feigr | but not the .pcf |
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| 16:57.59 | raccoon_ | .pcf is a bitmap font, apart from the truetype vector one |
| 16:58.18 | raccoon_ | so that might explain why behavior differs |
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| 16:58.43 | raccoon_ | check ~/.fontconfig or any of the other related files, should be a default config to check |
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| 16:58.59 | beboj | does anynone know what could be the reason of black screen after stright after grub loading? |
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| 17:00.44 | debianN00b | Hello i am trying to install teamviewr after adding foreign architecture i386 (Command: dpkg --add-architecture i386) and Teamviewer getting removed if i run "apt-get -f install" |
| 17:01.03 | ksk | !tell debianN00b about teamviewer |
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| 17:01.11 | ksk | hum, nevermind :D |
| 17:01.41 | debianN00b | ksk, ? |
| 17:01.46 | ksk | debianN00b: there is a 64bit version of it, use it? |
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| 17:02.08 | me-1 | hi...could somebody please pastebin his/her wheezy source list so that I could copy and paste into mine |
| 17:02.22 | ksk | if that does not work either contact the teamviewer support, its not supported in #debian |
| 17:02.23 | jdoles | Can one not use Gnome3 with Intel graphics hardware? |
| 17:02.35 | apm1 | jdoles, yes they can |
| 17:02.37 | debianN00b | ksk, yes i have downloaded the 64bit version but it still require 32bit dependency ... not? |
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| 17:02.57 | jdoles | I cannot read the message it displays saying that it doesn't work for some reason while apparently it does appear to work. |
| 17:02.58 | apm1 | Jdbye, rather depends on exactly which intel GPU it is |
| 17:03.12 | mumpitzel | jdoles: unless it's an atom cpu. what intel videochip is it you use? |
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| 17:03.41 | apm1 | if you can't read the error , how od you expect us to know abt it ? |
| 17:03.45 | jdoles | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.45 | jdoles | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.02 | mumpitzel | jdoles: use lspci -nn instead. but it should work fine |
| 17:04.26 | jdoles | mumpitzel: how do I eliminate the error message then? |
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| 17:04.48 | jdoles | Or make the error completely readable, since it is too far displayed to the right. |
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| 17:04.59 | apm1 | jdoles, first tell us what it is |
| 17:05.08 | raccoon_ | jdoles: i would begin by looking in ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/X11.log |
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| 17:05.14 | me-1 | could somebody please pastebin his/her wheezy source list so that I could copy and paste into mine |
| 17:05.15 | truko22 | selamat pagi 0/ |
| 17:05.15 | raccoon_ | to see if theres anything reported from the driver |
| 17:05.16 | mumpitzel | jdoles: check your Xorg.0.log |
| 17:05.37 | mumpitzel | !tell me-1 about sources.list |
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| 17:05.53 | mumpitzel | raccoon_: 2nd one is Xorg.0.log |
| 17:06.02 | raccoon_ | mumpitzel: correct! my bad |
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| 17:06.14 | babilen | dpkg: tell me-1 about wheeze sources.list |
| 17:06.22 | babilen | dpkg: tell me-1 about wheezy sources.list |
| 17:06.32 | babilen | ah, too late :) |
| 17:06.36 | me-1 | mumpitzel, what if I want french mirrors |
| 17:06.49 | mumpitzel | babilen: was already fixed in the normal sources.list factoid even |
| 17:06.57 | mumpitzel | me-1: ftp.fr.debian.org |
| 17:07.05 | babilen | me-1: Then you use french mirrors in lieu of http.debian.net -- http.debian.net does, however, select the "best" mirror automagically for you. |
| 17:07.07 | mumpitzel | tho the mirrors should give you a near one to you |
| 17:07.56 | raccoon_ | mumpitzel: theres debpartial-mirror and netselect for that :) |
| 17:08.28 | babilen | me-1: I would't be too surprised if ftp.fr.debian.org and http.debian.net gets you the same mirror -- but check "host ftp.fr.debian.org" and the method in "/msg dpkg which http.debian.net" to debug. http.debian.net typically selects a good mirror and I'd recommend to use this service. |
| 17:08.52 | raccoon_ | yeah i think there are some round robin hosts |
| 17:09.07 | raccoon_ | the main ones that are not location specific |
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| 17:09.11 | jdoles | Another message: Failed to execute program /usr/lib/dbus-1.0/dbus-daemon-launch-helper: Success |
| 17:09.37 | raccoon_ | jdoles: you might be missing some packages that belong to gnome3 / gnome-shell |
| 17:09.38 | jdoles | Google suggests it is a permission problem: root:messagebus is the owner on my system. |
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| 17:10.18 | jdoles | raccoon_: this happens when running xfce4. |
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| 17:10.29 | raccoon_ | ah |
| 17:10.31 | babilen | jdoles: How do you start xfce4? |
| 17:10.40 | raccoon_ | jdoles: try wiping the XFCE session cache dir |
| 17:10.42 | jdoles | babilen: via kdm |
| 17:11.25 | raccoon_ | jdoles: try moving or removing ~/.config/xfce4 |
| 17:11.30 | raccoon_ | and restart kdm |
| 17:11.33 | babilen | jdoles: kdm should work -- this is wheezy, isn't it? |
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| 17:12.28 | jdoles | Please execute this command and put output here: ls -lah /usr/lib/dbus-1.0/dbus-daemon-launch-helper |
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| 17:12.47 | jdoles | The permissions are the interesting bit. |
| 17:12.52 | levi501d | ssh question: i want to do a socks proxy tunnel through two servers, serverA and serverB, serverB can access the 10.5.10.0/24 network but serverA cannot, i can ssh -D 8080 serverA but cant access the network. Is it possible to socks tunnel through Both servers so I am socks tunneled onto serverB |
| 17:13.03 | levi501d | i've been looking this up |
| 17:13.07 | levi501d | but i can only find 1 hop explanations |
| 17:13.13 | levi501d | and all my attempts so far have failed |
| 17:13.25 | icarious | anyone knows if this guide is still valid for wheezy? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 17:13.28 | raccoon_ | levi501d: ive been looking for a solution for that aswell |
| 17:13.34 | icarious | i want to install debian from scratch using chroot that is |
| 17:13.41 | raccoon_ | levi501d: but there doesnt seem to be any more than hacky scirpts |
| 17:13.41 | levi501d | raccoon_: what if anything have you come up with? |
| 17:13.44 | raccoon_ | *scripts |
| 17:13.55 | levi501d | well any place to start from would be great |
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| 17:13.57 | raccoon_ | im in the middle of recovering my old file server so i have to get back on that... |
| 17:14.02 | jdoles | Can I download default permissions for every file in Debian somewhere? |
| 17:14.04 | levi501d | i've tried tunneling and then proxying but that didnt work |
| 17:14.09 | raccoon_ | but i did find a small shellscript that worked fine |
| 17:14.12 | raccoon_ | arbitrary number of hosts |
| 17:14.14 | levi501d | oh link? |
| 17:14.25 | raccoon_ | on the offline NAS... :D |
| 17:14.27 | levi501d | does it do web proxy? |
| 17:14.41 | raccoon_ | well it did ssh tunneling through simple configuration |
| 17:14.43 | levi501d | ohh so its just a tunnel to a tunneel but not a socks proxy |
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| 17:14.46 | raccoon_ | one line per host and port |
| 17:14.48 | raccoon_ | yeah |
| 17:14.55 | raccoon_ | well the endpoint is your proxy |
| 17:14.57 | somiaj | jdoles: what is it you are really trying to do? |
| 17:15.02 | raccoon_ | the last node of your hops :) |
| 17:15.12 | levi501d | hmm |
| 17:15.15 | debianN00b | Anyone can help me please? I can't install teamviewer on current debian... This is how i am installing : http://paste.debian.net/2486/ |
| 17:15.16 | levi501d | link to script? |
| 17:15.20 | benji_ | is there a way to create a primary partition with a one line command? (fdisk non interactive?) |
| 17:15.23 | somiaj | jdoles: note the default permisions will be stored in the .deb that created the package. Though I think some rare post/pre isntall scripts may change them too |
| 17:15.37 | pacop | I had some problems with OSS4 and pulseaudio in gnome that broke my sound. I solved it with a minimal install of squeeze from 0 and upgrading to wheezy, then install OSS4 |
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| 17:15.50 | pacop | OSS4 sounds much better than ALSA and it allow to play 24bit96khz |
| 17:15.51 | jdoles | somiaj: eliminate the error message regarding /usr/lib/dbus-1.0/dbus-daemon-launch-helper |
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| 17:16.19 | babilen | jdoles: Would *you* mind showing those permissions? What does "getent {passwd,group} messagebus" give you? Is this wheezy? |
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| 17:16.32 | levi501d | raccoon_: if you dont mind sharing that is |
| 17:16.43 | jdoles | babilen: -rwsr-xr-- |
| 17:17.05 | jdoles | babilen: I have seen websites suggesting that it needs chmod o+x |
| 17:17.06 | raccoon_ | levi501d: ill keep that in mind when i get the machine up and running again, the NAS is broken and of course complex partitioning that i have to look through... |
| 17:17.24 | babilen | jdoles: Err, make that "getent passwd messagebus" and "getent group messagebus" and please show me the *entire* output of "ls -l /usr/lib/dbus-1.0/dbus-daemon-launch-helper" |
| 17:18.01 | raccoon_ | levi501d: this seems simple and straightforward enough though: http://stackoverflow.com/a/10592622 |
| 17:18.05 | jdoles | babilen: I already know everything which is relevant to this problem. Why can't *you* simply answer me? |
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| 17:18.44 | babilen | jdoles: No, those permissions are fine. You might have found outdated documentation regarding … Ok, well. Those are the same permissions. Good luck with fixing it. |
| 17:18.59 | babilen | finds something else to do then |
| 17:19.32 | levi501d | ahh yeah raccoon_ Yeah i can do that no problem, I do ssh tunnels all day, but i've never done a socks proxy forward through an existing tunnel which is what i'd have to do |
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| 17:19.50 | levi501d | if i find it i'll paste a gist for you raccoon_ |
| 17:20.05 | jdoles | The same problem, but then in Ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/992366 |
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| 17:22.05 | jdoles | babilen: messagebus:x:101:103::/var/run/dbus:/bin/false |
| 17:22.40 | raccoon_ | levi501d: this seems to work aswell. by the look of it :) http://forums.vandyke.com/showpost.php?s=a4b4759d44f0d9641cc156936c599c48&p=11357&postcount=4 |
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| 17:22.50 | raccoon_ | (sorry for the spam, people. last one) |
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| 17:23.27 | jdoles | babilen: messagebus:x:105: |
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| 17:24.34 | babilen | jdoles: There you go, you want the latter to match the group of the former. what is group 103 on your system? |
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| 17:25.06 | babilen | jdoles: You essentially have the same problem as http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=591618 |
| 17:25.13 | jdoles | babilen: lpadmin |
| 17:25.44 | babilen | jdoles: So, messabus has a primary group of lpadmin not messagebus -- Please fix that. Any idea how that might have happened? |
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| 17:27.02 | jdoles | babilen: a bug in Debian. I don't know where. |
| 17:27.16 | jdoles | babilen: I never fiddle around in those files manually. |
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| 17:27.41 | raccoon_ | babilen: it's not unusual to let (system/daemon) users that work in simlar context share account and ACL |
| 17:27.59 | n-iCe | hi |
| 17:28.20 | jelly-home | raccoon_: yeah, but these aren't remotely similar, and managing that kind of setup in debian installation scripts is rather tricky |
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| 17:28.35 | jdoles | babilen: but non-manually, yes. Perhaps copying it off a different system at some point. |
| 17:28.56 | desg | hey guys after i install debian i get a "grub loading" what could cause this? |
| 17:29.01 | desg | and it just hangs |
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| 17:29.23 | jdoles | babilen: even so, the system shouldn't be making assumptions that are not universally true. |
| 17:29.25 | babilen | jdoles: perhaps? If you've done that it would explain this problem, if not there is a bug lurking somewhere. |
| 17:29.31 | jelly-home | jdoles: cloning a system with rsync and forgetting --numeric-ids can do that |
| 17:29.53 | n-iCe | desg: I would just reinstall and check the .iso mD5 |
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| 17:30.10 | jdoles | jelly-home: wouldn't that only apply to the installed file below /usr? |
| 17:30.11 | babilen | jdoles: either way, make sure that the messagebus user has a primary group of "messagebus" (or 105 on your system) |
| 17:30.26 | raccoon_ | desg: try loading optimal/default settings in BIOS. sometimes there are legacy causing this, stemming from AHCI/ACPI/IRQ emulation et al |
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| 17:30.50 | desg | i see thanks raccoon_ will try that |
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| 17:30.56 | raccoon_ | i would also try to install without usb keyboard. have had that crashing the install for me a couple of times |
| 17:31.00 | raccoon_ | seems to be an old bug |
| 17:31.15 | raccoon_ | shouldnt be any problem after the install is done . |
| 17:31.22 | babilen | jdoles: And some maintainer scripts create users and groups ... If you alter the files afterwards and /do not/ take care to alter them consistently you will end up with broken user/group configurations. |
| 17:31.37 | levi501d | raccoon_: Dude! I figured it out whoot! |
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| 17:31.44 | levi501d | raccoon_: dont even need a gist |
| 17:32.03 | raccoon_ | spill the beans! |
| 17:32.16 | jelly-home | jdoles: no, if you're cloning the whole filesystem, you're cloning the whole filesystem; if the destination passwd and group files do not match, rsync will try to keep symbolic names correct by default |
| 17:32.19 | levi501d | raccoon_: ssh -L 2222:localhost:8501 username@firsthopserver.com |
| 17:32.45 | levi501d | raccoon_: now from that server do: ssh -D 8501 user@secondhopserver.com |
| 17:33.00 | levi501d | raccoon_: now in firefox or whatever browser set your socks proxy to 2222 |
| 17:33.03 | levi501d | bam! |
| 17:33.10 | raccoon_ | ah, sweet. reverse forwarding to allow connectback |
| 17:33.16 | levi501d | arrr |
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| 17:34.57 | desg | raccoon_: the default tip did it |
| 17:35.01 | desg | Thanks |
| 17:35.58 | geggam | network guys hate it when you start ssh tunneling inside ssh tunnels levi501d |
| 17:36.01 | geggam | :) |
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| 17:36.31 | levi501d | :) i bet they do, but hey I gotta verify system status and their firewall locks out vpn |
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| 17:36.57 | levi501d | netsec always hatin' on the vpn workers |
| 17:37.04 | n-iCe | is there any openbox channel? |
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| 17:37.12 | geggam | tsocks is also handy combinned with ssh tunnels levi501d |
| 17:37.20 | levi501d | ohh i'll check that out |
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| 17:39.13 | unr3al011 | hey i am looking for a caching system like memcache but with "backupping" to disk, so that when a machine reboots it automatically can rebuild the cache. |
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| 17:39.26 | master_j | CONGRATS!!! |
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| 17:39.54 | raccoon_ | proxychains is also an interesting project to look up |
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| 17:40.06 | raccoon_ | easy chaining of any type of proxy |
| 17:40.26 | raccoon_ | desg: awesome, enjoy the installation :) |
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| 17:40.55 | raccoon_ | unr3al011: heard bout redis? |
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| 17:41.14 | raccoon_ | they have some kind of intermittent disk storage |
| 17:41.20 | unr3al011 | yes :P just got it through googling :P |
| 17:41.34 | unr3al011 | but what is it? is it just a disk based key valu storage or does it act with ram? |
| 17:42.12 | raccoon_ | well its "just" a dict storage system (key-val) but with high concurrency and -availability in mind |
| 17:42.22 | raccoon_ | i love memcached but its a bit dated. |
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| 17:42.53 | unr3al011 | yeah its really nice, but i have to store alot of data (history) and have to do alot of checks against this history, and loosing my data after a reboot is not nice |
| 17:43.09 | raccoon_ | (that being said, there's absolutely possible to store anything in those databases= |
| 17:43.12 | raccoon_ | ) |
| 17:43.22 | raccoon_ | just be clever enough with the packaging and storing :D |
| 17:43.23 | unr3al011 | yes |
| 17:43.33 | unr3al011 | i was using mysql for my "history cache" but i think its not fast enough |
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| 17:44.11 | raccoon_ | at work we actually use a memcached instance for caching base64:d images. |
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| 17:44.38 | unr3al011 | mhkay :P |
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| 17:44.46 | unr3al011 | just compiling redis now and will give it a try |
| 17:44.57 | unr3al011 | by the way: do you know any simple and good java api? |
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| 17:45.17 | raccoon_ | java api? please elaborate |
| 17:45.50 | raccoon_ | you want a good framework for coding java_ |
| 17:46.06 | unr3al011 | no i meant a redis java client |
| 17:46.11 | unr3al011 | for persistent storage |
| 17:46.24 | unr3al011 | or is it stored automagically in a persistent way? |
| 17:46.28 | raccoon_ | ah |
| 17:46.43 | raccoon_ | should be plenty, redis gotta be one of the more popular storage backends today |
| 17:46.51 | raccoon_ | java aint my cup o... tea though |
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| 17:47.06 | unr3al011 | okay :P |
| 17:47.13 | unr3al011 | thanks anyway will do some testing now |
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| 17:49.48 | babilen | jdoles: so, did that fix it? |
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| 17:57.34 | vespakoen | Hey guys, I was installing debian, formatted my partitions, it installed, and then when GRUB didn't work for the moment, I tried to install Lilo, then I found the partitionname so I thought I'd give GRUB a second chance, when going back in the installer it installed LILO for the second time and hang in the middle of it (BUG!) I had to shut my computer down, is there a way I can "complete my installation" from another partition on which I am |
| 17:57.35 | vespakoen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:58.14 | vespakoen | like, mount the partition and install grub on it? Is this the right way to go? |
| 17:58.28 | raccoon_ | vespakoen: yeah |
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| 17:58.42 | raccoon_ | shouldnt be any worries |
| 17:58.44 | vespakoen | cool, do you know if there is some guide on this? |
| 17:58.55 | vespakoen | or can you assist me along the way? =P haha |
| 17:59.04 | raccoon_ | vespakoen: well, booting the installer again but choose rescue mode |
| 17:59.10 | raccoon_ | and then pick your boot manager again :) |
| 17:59.23 | vespakoen | ah, interesting approach |
| 17:59.32 | vespakoen | I'll try that and report back in a bit |
| 17:59.42 | vespakoen | btw, is resque mode in the menu? |
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| 18:00.02 | raccoon_ | yeah, but i think under a submenu in the first boot menu |
| 18:00.06 | raccoon_ | alternative modes or something |
| 18:00.10 | jhutchins_wk | !fixgrub |
| 18:00.10 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 18:00.15 | vespakoen | nice |
| 18:00.49 | vespakoen | !rescuemode |
| 18:00.54 | vespakoen | !rescue mode |
| 18:00.55 | dpkg | Debian-Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details; ask me about <install guide>. |
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| 18:02.32 | vespakoen | does anyone recommend anything different than grub? what's this supergrub about? |
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| 18:02.40 | debianN00b | I understand teamviewer is not supported here but Frankly i want to know what is the problem installing 32bit apps on 64bit debian |
| 18:03.10 | funnybunny | the fact that by default there are no 64bit libraries on a 32bit system |
| 18:03.11 | raccoon_ | debianN00b: is the package available as amd64? have you added i386 but not amd64? |
| 18:05.03 | debianN00b | raccoon_, i added i386 as foreign and amd64 is default. And yes they say it is 64bit(Multi arth) which depend on 32bit dependency |
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| 18:05.51 | BJfreeman | doing a apt-get update got this error |
| 18:05.52 | BJfreeman | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/wheesy/main/binary-armhf/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 128.30.2.36 80] |
| 18:06.23 | funnybunny | BJfreeman: you misspelled wheezy |
| 18:06.38 | raccoon_ | debianN00b: weird... i have had very few problems with the multiarch thingie actually |
| 18:06.49 | BJfreeman | LOL I copied and pasted |
| 18:07.02 | pan__ | so is it generally accepted that you dont update after a release? I am running sid, updated without thinking, and broke everything. Is there any way I can try and fix it with chroot or something? |
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| 18:07.41 | dondelelcaro | pan__: if you're running sid, you should be able to see what is broken, and fix it. |
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| 18:07.51 | raccoon_ | +1 |
| 18:08.02 | raccoon_ | that's kinda the point in using bleeding edge code :) |
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| 18:08.20 | dondelelcaro | pan__: but that said, you can always downgrade a package to a specific earlier version which doesn't have whatever breakage you are seeing |
| 18:08.49 | pan__ | dondelelcaro: thanks, ill look up how to downgrade packages. |
| 18:09.19 | raccoon_ | pan__: if you want to mix releases like that i would recommend to look in to "apt pinning" |
| 18:09.32 | truexfan81 | still getting 404 errors from the testing repos |
| 18:09.33 | debianN00b | raccoon_, fixed... now i am feeling myself an stupid! |
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| 18:10.06 | raccoon_ | as well all do when the light arrives :-P |
| 18:10.07 | geggam | if you feel stupid you are learning ;) |
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| 18:10.34 | debianN00b | :) |
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| 18:13.18 | paxcoder | I'm using netboot, and I'd like to make an ntfs home partition, but ntfs isn't offered (just exts, FATs etc). Is it possible to somehow load up ntfs drivers or something to be able to format ntfs from the "manual" partition manager there? |
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| 18:15.08 | mumpitzel | paxcoder: not really possible. ntfs doesn't support Unix permissions |
| 18:15.13 | mumpitzel | not advisable either |
| 18:15.17 | paxcoder | mumpitzel, and FATs do? |
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| 18:15.28 | mumpitzel | no they don't |
| 18:15.36 | paxcoder | well, they're listed there |
| 18:15.39 | abrotman | paxcoder: do it after the fact .. easy enough |
| 18:15.55 | mumpitzel | paxcoder: and keep good backups when it breaks |
| 18:15.58 | paxcoder | abrotman, elaborate please |
| 18:16.10 | paxcoder | mumpitzel, why would it break? |
| 18:16.13 | abrotman | paxcoder: leave an empty partition, create teh tnfs later |
| 18:16.16 | abrotman | the ntfs |
| 18:16.27 | mumpitzel | cause ntfs is not a stable filesystem for linux |
| 18:16.30 | abrotman | paxcoder: ntfs-rw requires FUSE, not sure that's in the installler |
| 18:16.46 | abrotman | such as no ZFS either, right ? |
| 18:17.10 | paxcoder | abrotman, could i preformat using eg gparted, then reuse the partition for /home? |
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| 18:17.18 | raccoon_ | ZFS did not make it for quality control in time for wheezy freeze |
| 18:17.20 | paxcoder | abrotman, there's btrfs |
| 18:17.22 | jelly-home | mumpitzel: ntfs-3g is pretty stable, it's just there's no fsck |
| 18:17.24 | abrotman | not FUSE |
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| 18:17.43 | abrotman | paxcoder: i told you how i'd do it .. up to you now |
| 18:18.02 | paxcoder | abrotman, yeah, but i don't know how i'd migrate /home to it? |
| 18:18.13 | raccoon_ | heh, i installed zfs and spl-dkms this morning and probably have had less problem with it than using windows |
| 18:18.25 | paxcoder | it'll probably be created at / if i do that. |
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| 18:18.32 | abrotman | paxcoder: migrate what? you'll only have one user ... |
| 18:18.34 | paxcoder | and symlinks seem messy |
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| 18:18.35 | raccoon_ | have to see what it handles some load though |
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| 18:19.01 | paxcoder | abrotman, migrate home folder from the primary (ext) partition to the ntfs partition |
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| 18:19.04 | abrotman | paxcoder: mount /mnt /dev/newhome ; cp /home /newhome ; umount newhome ; edit fstab ; mount home |
| 18:19.12 | abrotman | obviously, edit to your needs |
| 18:19.30 | raccoon_ | pan__: just copy it to an usb drive. windows will fuck your extensions and permissions anyway |
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| 18:19.49 | jelly-home | abrotman: forgot mv /home /home.old && mkdir /home after umount |
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| 18:20.09 | abrotman | jelly-home: it's mostly empty i would think ... |
| 18:20.29 | abrotman | sort of why i'm confused about "migrating" anything |
| 18:20.29 | jelly-home | abrotman: if there's anything to cp... |
| 18:20.38 | abrotman | right, that's my point .. |
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| 18:20.58 | biax | im doing a pxe install, does debian actually install things we may not need? i saw it downloading iptables, and a couple of things that i dont think ill be needing |
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| 18:21.25 | raccoon_ | biax: iptables does nothing if you dont configure it. but there are some varying sizes on netinstallers |
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| 18:21.54 | biax | there no minimal installation where we can after that choose what we need? |
| 18:22.11 | biax | i saw isc dhcpd, wont be needing that either |
| 18:22.15 | mtn | biax: the installer can't know exactly what you want or don't want instaled. |
| 18:22.30 | biax | ok its fixed |
| 18:22.35 | mtn | installed, that is |
| 18:22.39 | abrotman | biax: that's pretty minimal .. remove it when you're done |
| 18:22.43 | raccoon_ | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall |
| 18:22.56 | biax | yes im using net inst |
| 18:23.02 | biax | pxe install like mentioned |
| 18:23.17 | raccoon_ | biax: just skip the "select packages to install" part |
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| 18:23.37 | biax | there isnt such a part |
| 18:23.43 | biax | it went on to install immediately |
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| 18:24.05 | biax | could i have missed it? |
| 18:24.13 | raccoon_ | biax: maybe booting the disk/cd but never actually installing from that source |
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| 18:24.45 | raccoon_ | just bootstrap from their loader and get an internet connection so you can let debootstrap do the rest :-) |
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| 18:24.55 | raccoon_ | or just debootstrap in an empty chroot on your current box. |
| 18:25.34 | biax | installed "popularity contest" ... faints* |
| 18:25.55 | paxcoder | biax, surely you've selected popcon |
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| 18:26.17 | paxcoder | abrotman, wait, you suggested copying home. But you said something about permissions, what about htem? |
| 18:26.53 | abrotman | paxcoder: NTFS and Unix don't use the same permissions mechanisms by default |
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| 18:27.13 | paxcoder | abrotman, i understand, but you still suggested i cp |
| 18:27.16 | abrotman | NTFS uses more like the equivalent of Linux ACLs |
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| 18:27.23 | paxcoder | wouldn't know about ACL |
| 18:27.37 | abrotman | paxcoder: you can still cp a file that doesn't have the same permission style ... like FAT? |
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| 18:28.04 | paxcoder | abrotman, so you've assumed i'd be fine with 777? |
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| 18:28.19 | abrotman | blinks ... |
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| 18:28.48 | abrotman | paxcoder: good luck, it's not something i recommend or that i'd try .. i'm sure you'll figure it out |
| 18:29.00 | paxcoder | abrotman, you told me about lack of permissions, and still suggested i copy /home to ntfs. Why? |
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| 18:29.14 | abrotman | you wanted to migrate data ... |
| 18:29.17 | abrotman | you asked how .. |
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| 18:29.29 | paxcoder | abrotman, so blinks means yes? |
| 18:29.57 | abrotman | have you considered the implications of what you're trying to do ? |
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| 18:30.17 | paxcoder | abrotman, i'm trying to. |
| 18:30.27 | raccoon_ | hmmm |
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| 18:30.38 | abrotman | paxcoder: maybe you should try this with something other than /home/ first .. |
| 18:30.46 | raccoon_ | havent samba/libcifs some code for translating permission during transfers? |
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| 18:30.55 | raccoon_ | maybe it's just the readonly flag etc but |
| 18:31.01 | abrotman | or in a VM |
| 18:31.02 | raccoon_ | might be worth a shot :) |
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| 18:32.24 | peterrooney | Isn't this why tarballs were invented? |
| 18:33.09 | pan__ | where else can I find sources besides sources.list? when I try to upgrade it is telling me some sources can not connect, but I can not find them in my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:33.27 | awc737 | is it bad with linux to leave a SSD on suspend for many days? |
| 18:33.29 | abrotman | pan__: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 18:33.42 | pan__ | abrotman: ty |
| 18:33.53 | biax | im tempted to switch to archlinux. somebody convince me why i shouldnt |
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| 18:35.21 | jelly-home | raccoon_: there are unix extensions, but both sides have to support them and have them enabled |
| 18:35.57 | n-iCe | what's the name of the file manager? |
| 18:36.13 | n-iCe | When you open a tar.gz etc, and it allows you to uncompress it, how is it called? the manager |
| 18:36.47 | mtn | n-iCe: there are file managers and there are archive managers |
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| 18:37.02 | n-iCe | the one I want is? |
| 18:37.06 | n-iCe | archive manager I think, right? |
| 18:37.14 | mtn | n-iCe: depends. what desktop? |
| 18:37.20 | n-iCe | openbox |
| 18:37.24 | n-iCe | no desktop at all |
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| 18:37.46 | mtn | n-iCe: archive manager if you don't use nautilus |
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| 18:38.04 | raccoon_ | n-iCe: file-roller, nautilus, .. |
| 18:38.06 | paxcoder | abrotman, thanks |
| 18:38.12 | raccoon_ | there's quite lots of them. |
| 18:38.15 | paxcoder | not quite sure what i'll do |
| 18:38.34 | raccoon_ | jelly-home: ah, i see |
| 18:38.38 | n-iCe | thanks |
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| 18:41.24 | tw | How do I continue booting after unlocking luks over preboot ssh? |
| 18:41.59 | raccoon_ | tw: it should be done already if the one you unlocked was the real root device |
| 18:42.25 | tw | Well, apparently I didn't do it correctly. |
| 18:42.38 | paxcoder | abrotman, wait, why is ACL not sufficient? |
| 18:43.05 | tw | I just did cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/md1 root, typed in my password... |
| 18:43.29 | raccoon_ | tw: yeah, so you made a key. but you didnt tell debian what to do with it :) |
| 18:43.34 | tw | Advice on how to fix? |
| 18:43.41 | raccoon_ | theres actually a really good article on this from the arch wiki |
| 18:43.43 | raccoon_ | speaking of the devil |
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| 18:44.22 | raccoon_ | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt_with_LUKS |
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| 18:44.54 | DexterF | hi |
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| 18:44.59 | debdeb | hi |
| 18:45.05 | raccoon_ | i'd prefer debian any given day, but man do they have some cool wikis on the other side! |
| 18:45.09 | DexterF | how is a daemon different from other programs? what makes it a daemon? |
| 18:45.39 | abrotman | paxcoder: do a bit of reading please |
| 18:45.50 | debdeb | what is the best place to check for hardware-compatibility of a new laptop with debian or plain linux-kernel? |
| 18:46.01 | raccoon_ | DexterF: usually what you mean with a daemon is an application made for running in the background. |
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| 18:46.12 | mtn | DexterF: wikipedia and google should have lots of info for you on that topic |
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| 18:47.00 | paxcoder | abrotman, nah. windows... |
| 18:47.10 | paxcoder | abrotman, i think i'll do ext, then install a windows driver |
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| 18:47.39 | sacredchao | I upgraded a couple of xserver packages, and now I cannot use my HDMI port after rebooting |
| 18:47.53 | debdeb | for example: Atheros AR8151, Atheros AR5BWB222, NVIDIA-GeForce GT 650M |
| 18:47.59 | mtn | debdeb: intel is usually very safe, otherwise do a search on the specific chip and debian |
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| 18:49.53 | awc737 | is it bad with linux to leave a SSD on suspend for many days? |
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| 18:50.38 | debdeb | they all say one should first check for compatibility... but those linux-hardware-check-sites i found are... suboptimal |
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| 18:54.08 | mtn | debdeb: that is why you should do your own search |
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| 18:56.22 | segan | Hello, guys: how can I install Debian 7.0.0 with support no-multilib¿? |
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| 18:58.38 | abrotman | segan: huh? just don't enable another architecture |
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| 18:59.05 | Jonuz | I installed debian wheezy, should I install some codec pack? Youtube videos feels laggys in firefox |
| 18:59.05 | sacredchao | segan: multi-arch is opt-in |
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| 18:59.35 | sacredchao | Jonuz: Sign it to a YouTube account and configure the account to use HTML5 video |
| 18:59.41 | segan | I need to know how to install pure 64-bit Debian. |
| 18:59.46 | sacredchao | Flash is always terrible performance on any OS |
| 18:59.56 | Sevet | segan: if you install amd64 then by default only amd64 is enabled, and you have to explicitly run a command to allow i386 packages to also be installed |
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| 19:00.04 | sacredchao | segan: Just install Debian compiled for amd64 and do not enable multi-arch |
| 19:00.07 | Jonuz | Okay :p |
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| 19:00.17 | segan | sacredchao, sevet: aaaaa ok |
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| 19:00.36 | segan | by default is a pure amd64? |
| 19:00.46 | Sevet | yes |
| 19:00.49 | segan | okay |
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| 19:00.51 | segan | thx :) |
| 19:00.53 | Sevet | (if installing amd64) |
| 19:00.58 | segan | yes |
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| 19:04.39 | Ownix | I have a tough one for you guys... I am running Debain 7.0 and trying to install Windows Server 2012 in a KVM. Windows says "A media driver for your computer needs is missing. This could be a DBD, USB or Hard Disk driver. if you have a CD, DVD, or USB flash drive with a driver on it, please insert it now." |
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| 19:04.45 | Ownix | How do I know what driver this thing wants? |
| 19:05.17 | sacredchao | lol |
| 19:05.57 | sacredchao | Ownix: I'm not going to speak for everyone here, but I sure as shit am not going to spend time helping you set up Windows. |
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| 19:06.23 | Ownix | sacredchao: shit this is a windows issue isnt it.. lol |
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| 19:06.35 | Ownix | I just thought maybe someone else using Debain+KVM had this issue |
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| 19:13.42 | tw | that article was wholely unhelpful. I have a luks volume, my initrd has sufficient utilities to get md/dm-crypt rolling, but once dm-crypt is unlocked it doesn't do anything. Somehow I have to mount it and pivot_root then continue init... or maybe just have init continue somehow. |
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| 19:14.08 | Posterdati | please help: I cannot install less on wheezy (amd64) or it deinstall man |
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| 19:14.34 | MrFrood | Posterdati: wheezy or testing? |
| 19:14.51 | Posterdati | wheezy |
| 19:15.13 | MrFrood | just this isue has been reported with testing? |
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| 19:15.55 | Posterdati | don't know |
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| 19:16.25 | MrFrood | what does it say in your source.list |
| 19:17.20 | Posterdati | there testing repos there!!!!! |
| 19:17.29 | Posterdati | but why? |
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| 19:19.23 | kristijonas | hello, is there an easy way to run Windows on Debian? |
| 19:19.43 | mtn | kristijonas: virtual box or similar |
| 19:19.47 | tw | k, the answer was unlock luks, then log tf out. |
| 19:19.48 | MrFrood | I'm not sure what would happen if you changed them to wheezy perhaps someone who knows more can advise, in the meantime iirc they were talking about this issue with less etc over #debian-next on the oftc server |
| 19:19.54 | tw | seems to have booted into something or other. |
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| 19:21.01 | kristijonas | mtn, yea, something I like. There is some program which doesn't run successfully through Wine. |
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| 19:22.59 | MrFrood | Posterdati: did you just post in #debian-next with another name? |
| 19:23.06 | Posterdati | no |
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| 19:23.23 | Posterdati | ah debian 7 is out |
| 19:23.27 | MrFrood | Posterdati: just someone just asked about there again |
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| 19:25.27 | MrFrood | Posterdati: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=695361 |
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| 19:26.40 | rryoumaa | i subscribed to all the major debian mailing lists, but i have not gotten a single announcement yet |
| 19:26.48 | Posterdati | MrFrood: I changed source.list to point to correct wheezy repo |
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| 19:26.56 | jhutchins_wk | kristijonas: You can try looking at Crossover Office, which can run some things that Wine cant, or various virtualization solutions to run an actual copy of Windows, but the best long-term solution is to learn how to do the task with native Linux tools. |
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| 19:27.34 | MrFrood | Posterdati: at this point I don't know what that will do, can somebody advise |
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| 19:27.59 | Posterdati | MrFrood: you didn't read my first phrase then |
| 19:28.01 | silidan1 | help, i cant install flashplugin-nonfre on debian wheezy error: link to flash contains invalid characters |
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| 19:28.07 | Posterdati | please help: I cannot install less on wheezy (amd64) or it deinstall man |
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| 19:28.33 | rryoumaa | was wheezy announced on debian announce etc? |
| 19:28.39 | Posterdati | I'm on wheezy! But my sources.list was pointing to the new testing |
| 19:28.50 | jhutchins_wk | If you were using "testing" in your sources.list and you did an apt upgrade, you are now running jessie. |
| 19:29.06 | kristijonas | jhutchins_wk, yea, this is just a small program Azuon - a cheap fights search tool, i installed "winetricks dotnet20 && winetricks gdiplus && winetricks vcrun2008" as they said, but the program seems to crash every ten seconds. |
| 19:29.07 | Posterdati | jhutchins_wk: no |
| 19:29.13 | jhutchins_wk | Posterdati: Yes. |
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| 19:29.17 | Posterdati | jhutchins_wk: I do not know whi changed |
| 19:29.18 | MrFrood | Posterdati: what jhutchins_wk said hence my caution |
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| 19:29.41 | Posterdati | no I have got wheezy in sources.list |
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| 19:29.51 | jhutchins_wk | Posterdati: Because you had "testing" instead of "wheezy" in your sources list. |
| 19:30.07 | Posterdati | jhutchins_wk: again, no |
| 19:30.10 | jhutchins_wk | Posterdati: In that case, it did not change, and less is installable. |
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| 19:30.35 | Posterdati | jhutchins_wk: in fact new lines where added just over the wheezy repositories |
| 19:30.39 | Posterdati | in sources.list |
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| 19:30.46 | jhutchins_wk | Posterdati: How about you pastebin your sources list? We might be able to spot the problem. Also, you might pastebin the command you ran to install less and the full output. |
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| 19:31.19 | Posterdati | jhutchins_wk: I fixed the problem, removed the wrong lines in sources.list |
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| 19:32.32 | jhutchins_wk | Posterdati: You might want to /msg dpkg partial downgrade if you think anything else might have beein installed. |
| 19:32.43 | jhutchins_wk | Posterdati: How do you suppose the "testing" lines got there? |
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| 19:33.08 | Posterdati | emdebian |
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| 19:33.31 | pestilence | in gnome shell in wheezy, how do you connect to a hidden wireless network? |
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| 19:33.55 | pestilence | there is no option to manually enter in the SSID |
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| 19:34.35 | jhutchins_wk | kristijonas: That sounds like the kind of thing that would be easier to do with OS software than Windows. |
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| 19:36.25 | jhutchins_wk | kristijonas: http://freecode.com/ sourceforge.net and http://linuxappfinder.com/ can be very useful. |
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| 19:37.26 | kristijonas | jhutchins_wk, I already bought a subscription for that program, but I can't install Windows directly on my pc.:) |
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| 19:38.27 | jhutchins_wk | kristijonas: Ah. |
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| 19:38.59 | jhutchins_wk | VM it is then. |
| 19:39.45 | jhutchins_wk | THat's a thing I really appreciate about OS software. I don't end up buying or subscribing to something and then finding out it doesn't work or there's something better for half the price. |
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| 19:41.44 | paxcoder | !who |
| 19:41.45 | dpkg | It was the one armed man, I tell you ! |
| 19:41.58 | paxcoder | !debian unstable |
| 19:42.05 | paxcoder | !unstable |
| 19:42.05 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 19:42.30 | paxcoder | where's the channel for unstable? i thought it was #debian-new but it isn't |
| 19:42.48 | jhutchins_wk | paxcoder: No? |
| 19:43.07 | jhutchins_wk | paxcoder: Did they tell you they didn't support it? |
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| 19:43.17 | paxcoder | there's no such channel here. |
| 19:43.23 | jhutchins_wk | paxcoder: Correct. |
| 19:43.37 | jhutchins_wk | paxcoder: It's on oftc.net or debian.net |
| 19:43.49 | paxcoder | jhelsing, oh you mean #debian ? yeah, I think jelly or abrotman are very fond of pointing out how they won't support sid here |
| 19:44.11 | jhutchins_wk | paxcoder: Really, though, if you need IRC support you shouldn't be running sid. |
| 19:44.22 | jhutchins_wk | paxcoder: Me too. |
| 19:44.27 | abrotman | paxcoder: do you need help? |
| 19:44.32 | paxcoder | i'm running sid for years |
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| 19:44.56 | jhutchins_wk | paxcoder: Then you shouldn't need IRC support. |
| 19:45.00 | abrotman | has no problems with testing/unstable support in #debian, and rather dislikes the notion of -next altogether |
| 19:45.15 | paxcoder | abrotman, netboot installer is failing to install a kernel. Provided it's not an arch thing, what else can it be? I've tried i686-pe (or something) and i484, but both failed |
| 19:45.21 | abrotman | paxcoder: also .. /topic .. seriously |
| 19:45.31 | abrotman | paxcoder: use the wheezy installer? |
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| 19:45.55 | paxcoder | umm chanserv just auto-banned me from #debian-next here O.O |
| 19:46.08 | jhutchins_wk | wonders if some clients don't display the topic on join... |
| 19:46.15 | paxcoder | abrotman, i've used the unstable installer i think, lemme check |
| 19:46.24 | jhutchins_wk | paxcoder: No, #debian-next does not exist here. |
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| 19:46.59 | paxcoder | abrotman, yes, unstable |
| 19:47.14 | abrotman | paxcoder: okay, good luck |
| 19:47.29 | paxcoder | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalrighty then |
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| 19:51.17 | zykotick9 | there is an sid installer? |
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| 19:51.37 | zykotick9 | s/an/a/ |
| 19:51.47 | ctx144k | hi all |
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| 19:54.36 | mase76 | hi all! thank you very much for the wheezy release! great job! |
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| 19:56.21 | n-iCe | now remove gnome3 |
| 19:56.22 | n-iCe | haha |
| 19:56.36 | jhutchins_wk | n-iCe: Nothing says you have to install Gnome at all. |
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| 19:57.08 | n-iCe | I bet he did |
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| 19:58.40 | lord_rob | mase76: you're welcome (/me runs away and hide :)) |
| 19:59.29 | ctx144k | thx for great debian7 release !! |
| 19:59.51 | ctx144k | i have one special question - how to use viadlia/torbrowser |
| 19:59.59 | paxcoder | zykotick9, yes, netboot installer: <mirror>/debian/dists/unstable/main/instaler_<arch>/current/images/netboot/mini.iso |
| 20:00.24 | paxcoder | *installer |
| 20:00.35 | ctx144k | i used package from webside before, and it worked fine... (https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en) |
| 20:00.51 | ctx144k | but i want use debian7 build in packages |
| 20:01.13 | ctx144k | i instalöled vidalia, and its starting and its running ... |
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| 20:01.31 | ctx144k | but i dont know how to connect over my browser to the service |
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| 20:03.12 | id10t | ctx144k: do you know what port it listens on? netstat -l4 or netstat -l4n will show what ports are listening for connections |
| 20:03.31 | id10t | ctx144k: then use a browser http://localhost:port |
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| 20:04.43 | ctmjr | ctx144k: this off topic but you should use the tor browser it is already setup to use tor |
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| 20:08.02 | Stameni | I have a problem mounting a usb drive: no caching mode present. What should i do ? |
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| 20:10.24 | ctx144k | id10t, thx... not working yet, but have one information more :) |
| 20:10.42 | ghostlines | hey peeps, anyone upgrade to Wheezy stable? when you run uname -r which kernel do you have? |
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| 20:10.51 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 20:10.52 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze1); jessie: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2) |
| 20:11.04 | ctx144k | ctmjr - why i should use torbrwoser from webside, instead of from distribution? |
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| 20:13.08 | ghostlines | judd, thanks I guess I have nothing to worry about I have 3.2.0-4. However my login banner states Linux dove 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.35-2 x86_64 |
| 20:13.19 | ghostlines | making me think I had to have a 3.2.35
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| 20:15.59 | jdoles | babilen: yes, that fixed it. |
| 20:16.02 | mase76 | i have a samba problem on one of my wheezy machines. samba starts after nm-manager and fails to run. i have to restart it manually. i purged the packages and reinstalled with no success. i see samba as S01 and nm-manager as S03. on the machines where it is working correctly, i see samba as S06. the network connections are set as system connections. i want to avoid a fresh wheezy installation, as this is the only issue i have on this machine. |
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| 20:16.30 | mase76 | i tried to set samba manually to S06, but this did not help. |
| 20:18.15 | pan__ | so after updating my sid install, i am getting an error saying it can't connect to anything in my sources.list |
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| 20:20.55 | segan | I need help with Gparted.... I need align the two partitions of my SSD. :( |
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| 20:23.33 | spheric | Sup y'all, is it possible to see a diff of all conffiles installed on my system against how they would by default be if I installed all packages anew? |
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| 20:24.45 | jhutchins_wk | mase76: You need to set up the init script - /etc/init.d/samba - so that it requires network to be up. I'm not sure what the details are, but since squeeze debian doesn't use a strictly sequential startup. |
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| 20:25.46 | tw | So I think my luks setup is actually working, but for some reason, once I'm logged into dropbear, it doesn't askpass me, it just drops me to shell. Which I guess is ok, but I'd prefer a password prompt, or for cryptsetup to read the password from a FIFO. |
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| 20:26.35 | jhutchins_wk | mase76: You can add a manual "wait" to samba, or do your own "while" test for networking. |
| 20:26.53 | petn-randall | spheric: Simply reinstall the package. If there's a difference, it'll (depending on your debconf level) either ask you which to install, or put the conffile next to the original one with an extra suffix to the name. |
| 20:27.12 | jhutchins_wk | mase76: You also might want to put your connections in an interfaces file rather than run network manager. |
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| 20:27.59 | ChibaPet | tw: Context? I don't tend to think of LUKS and dropbear as bearing much relation. |
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| 20:28.16 | tw | preboot remote luks unlock |
| 20:28.32 | tw | I'm trying to do /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/README.remote.gz |
| 20:28.38 | tw | But it doesn't work for me for some reason. |
| 20:29.01 | ChibaPet | Ah, alright. Note that if you're doing this remotely, the bit that needs to exist to unlock LUKS for you is vulnerable to abuse. |
| 20:29.06 | mase76 | jhutchins_wk: but why do some installations add samba to S03 and others to S06, even after purging? |
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| 20:29.33 | tw | ChibaPet: I'm aware of the security concerns, but it's a matter of making things more difficult. |
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| 20:29.38 | tw | Nothing is perfect. |
| 20:29.46 | ChibaPet | tw: Reading that. I didn't realize we shipped a doc like that in-tree. |
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| 20:30.56 | pan__ | so after updating my sid install, i am getting an error saying it can't connect to anything in my sources.list. Does this mean apt is broken? |
| 20:31.25 | Nik05 | whats in your sources.list? |
| 20:31.41 | Nik05 | or it means your internet connection is just down... |
| 20:31.44 | Sevet | depends, could be your network or dns, or bad sources.list entries |
| 20:32.05 | zykotick9 | don't forget bad proxy in apt.conf either ;) |
| 20:32.36 | moof2 | I'm running squeeze and gnome... how do I find the pdf reader I have installed, and/or what pdf reader am I likely to have? |
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| 20:33.11 | zykotick9 | moof2: i believe gnome2 comes with evince |
| 20:33.12 | mase76 | moof2: okular is fine. |
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| 20:33.26 | mase76 | evince, too. |
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| 20:33.38 | moof2 | ok, thanks, appreciate. |
| 20:34.07 | Sadtaco | Instead of "chmod -R 777 /path/to/" how can I just give www-data user write access to that folder? |
| 20:34.28 | moof2 | I do have evince, I don't think I have okular... maybe I shoudl install it so I can remember the name |
| 20:34.30 | pan__ | Nik05: Sevet: im going to take some screen shots to show you. |
| 20:34.48 | tw | Sadtaco: if you have facl turned on, you can give access to www-data user/group |
| 20:35.03 | moof2 | Sadtaco, glad you;re asking... chmod -R is a command that could change a lot of files |
| 20:35.05 | Nik05 | pan__ we have invented something new, its called text.... |
| 20:35.22 | Sadtaco | YEah -R will change it deep down into that folder. I know that much. |
| 20:35.56 | mase76 | if you use gnome or any other gtk based desktop, i suggest evince. okular depends on some kde stuff. |
| 20:36.03 | moof2 | Sadtaco, for any such command, check it completely then count to 10 |
| 20:36.20 | Sadtaco | Well, tw, should I set www-data user to have the same group as the user that owns this web folder? |
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| 20:36.40 | moof2 | Sadtaco, no; hold on... |
| 20:36.45 | cusco | Sadtaco: chown folder to www-data |
| 20:36.46 | Sadtaco | And give group write access to that folder? Then then it'll have good write access to all those folders. |
| 20:36.52 | moof2 | there is a group I think it's also called www-data |
| 20:36.53 | Sadtaco | Ahhh. |
| 20:37.01 | tw | Sadtaco: or the other way around and add www-data to the group that owns the folder |
| 20:37.12 | ChibaPet | tw: Alright, having read that, I'm looking some more, as I'm not familiar with /lib/cryptsetup/passfifo. |
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| 20:37.48 | Sadtaco | Well the group owns many other folders. |
| 20:37.53 | Sadtaco | So I think what cusco sounds best. |
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| 20:37.59 | Sadtaco | said sounds best* |
| 20:38.21 | cusco | Sadtaco: actual owner is root? |
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| 20:38.27 | Sadtaco | No |
| 20:38.30 | cusco | Sadtaco: chown root.www-data folder |
| 20:38.33 | moof2 | the main thing is, you can set the user it runs as, and the group it runs as... if your web server is running now, some form of ps can show you what it's running as and probably therefore the default |
| 20:38.35 | tw | chgrp -R www-data folder? |
| 20:38.35 | cusco | then replace root for current user |
| 20:38.36 | tw | that'd work. |
| 20:38.41 | cusco | or what tw said |
| 20:38.43 | Sadtaco | yeah. Then set it to 775? |
| 20:38.55 | tw | Sadtaco: would be reasonable. |
| 20:39.00 | cusco | then chmod g+wrx folder |
| 20:39.00 | moof2 | anyway, done my good deed for the decade... |
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| 20:40.30 | mase76 | anybody knows a graphical rss reader, which supports ttrss? liferea has an "update forever" bug. |
| 20:41.00 | Vicissitude | mase76, not sure what ttrss is but RSSOwl is pretty okay |
| 20:41.09 | mase76 | tiny tiny rss. |
| 20:41.11 | pan__ | Nik05: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 20:41.19 | pan__ | Nik05: deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org sid main non-free |
| 20:41.53 | Nik05 | http.us.debian.org ? |
| 20:41.59 | Nik05 | its probably ftp.us.debian.org |
| 20:42.28 | pan__ | Nik05: ill try that. I got it off of https://sites.google.com/site/mydebiansourceslist/ |
| 20:42.33 | tw | ChibaPet: What I expect to happen is when the $(initrd)/scripts/local-top/cryptroot script fires, it does a KF=/lib/cryptsetup/passfifo ; mkpipe $(KF); cryptsetup --key-file $(KF) <other args> but it doesn't look like the scripts are set up to be capable of that, regardless of what I pass as cryptopts unless I write a custom script. |
| 20:42.41 | tw | Which is why I find the whole thing a little odd. |
| 20:42.52 | pan__ | Nik05: those sources were also working before I updated today. |
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| 20:43.36 | Nik05 | pan__ can you give us a paste of all the things you have in your sources.list...? |
| 20:43.36 | Nik05 | and not the onces that are commented out |
| 20:43.47 | tw | mkfifo, rather, not mkpipe. |
| 20:43.49 | Nik05 | cause if you have all those, its not supported here |
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| 20:44.00 | ksuhku | random sources ftw... |
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| 20:44.44 | mase76 | rssowl looks nice (like liferea), but seems not to support ttrss yet. only google reader. |
| 20:44.55 | Nik05 | and pan__ dont do stupid things like that link you just gave... |
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| 20:45.09 | ChibaPet | tw: You're ahead of me so far, but what you're saying looks reasonable. Might be necessary to write such a script or lift it from somewhere where it already exists. |
| 20:45.17 | ChibaPet | tw: Looking. |
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| 20:45.45 | Nik05 | oh and pan__ http://paste.debian.net/ ;) |
| 20:46.32 | tw | What gets me is that the doco says "this is possible" and yet the scripts the cryptsetup deb offers seems to say "well... we're half way to where our docs say" |
| 20:47.27 | ChibaPet | tw: I see Ubuntu docs suggesting that this exists. Might be worth a bug against cryptsetup and/or initramfs-tools. I'm just looking to see what I/we/it/they are missing. |
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| 20:49.36 | tw | Aight, that file needs some clarifications too, like "you can optionally pass these arguments! Here's how!" I'll see if I can make a patch or something once I'm satisfied with it working effectively. Once I figure out who owns what, that is. |
| 20:49.49 | ChibaPet | tw: So, this is from an Ubuntu page talking about it, but from a fresh boot, do you see that passfifo actually exists? |
| 20:49.57 | tw | It does not exist. |
| 20:50.32 | ChibaPet | tw: Ah, that matches a bug I see filed against Ubuntu. It should exist. But what I'm interested in is finding out what mechanism actually uses that. It'd have to be more or less what you speculated, but I'd assume it exists... somewhere. |
| 20:50.51 | ChibaPet | So, the method described ends up with you creating a regular file. |
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| 20:51.20 | CFO600 | Just upgraded my squeeze to wheezy today (by accident) , it was a bit of a bumpy ride , could anyone point me to a "stock" /etc/apt/sources.list , the one i still have has several references to squeeze in it |
| 20:51.36 | tw | yes. Which would be fine, if cryptsetup would pull that in. |
| 20:51.36 | dizzylizzy | Great, so not only does the debian installer recommend non-free firmware unneeded for full functionality, but so does a kernel upgrade |
| 20:52.05 | id10t | CFO600: one line - deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian <release name> main contrib non-free |
| 20:52.27 | id10t | CFO600: replace <release name> with wheezy, jessie, stable, testing etc |
| 20:52.36 | ksuhku | and contrib and nonfree "are not debian" |
| 20:52.54 | zykotick9 | id10t: contrib and non-free is for .... ksuhku +1 |
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| 20:53.33 | pan__ | is there a log for apt-get update errors? |
| 20:53.50 | ChibaPet | tw: Have you looked at /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/cryptroot yet? |
| 20:53.53 | Nik05 | pan__ show us your sources.list first :) |
| 20:53.54 | tw | ChibaPet: what I'm thinking should happen is cryptsetup's scripts/local-top/cryptroot should mkfifo IF the keyfile script is set to askpass (or nothing, so it defaults to askpass). |
| 20:53.57 | ChibaPet | tw: Looking now, in case it sheds some clues. |
| 20:54.10 | ChibaPet | Ah, you found it. |
| 20:54.24 | debdeb | for what is a cpu with "Intel VT-d" needed, if i want to use KVM or XEN? |
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| 20:55.01 | tw | ChibaPet: it doesn't do that though. any time --key-file is called it's with - (read from stdin) which doesn't appear to do what I want. |
| 20:55.09 | CFO600 | so is stable in sources.list referring to wheezy now ? |
| 20:55.17 | ksuhku | CFO600, correct |
| 20:55.38 | tw | Maybe I'm missing some timing window and it's getting killed off (but I hsouldn't be, since my ssh is in a 1 second loop following a ping) |
| 20:55.43 | pan__ | Nik05: http://paste.debian.net/2524/ |
| 20:55.55 | ksuhku | debdeb, yes AMD has a similar solution |
| 20:56.04 | Nik05 | pan__ you changed it... |
| 20:56.16 | id10t | CFO600: yes. not an issue now, but last week if you wanted to be sure you didn't upgrade from squeeze to wheezy then you needed to have squeeze in there instead of stable... of course, now, you won't have that issue for about 2 years |
| 20:56.18 | ChibaPet | tw: /lib/cryptsetup/askpass exists in your initramfs? |
| 20:56.19 | debdeb | ksuhku: yes iommu... but... for what? |
| 20:56.23 | vaillor | anyone of you can make me an ip scan please? |
| 20:56.41 | ksuhku | debdeb, those are for hardware accelerated virtual machines |
| 20:56.53 | debdeb | ksuhku: which? |
| 20:57.05 | dondelelcaro | vaillor: you can do so yourself. And that's not really on topic here. |
| 20:57.05 | ksuhku | debdeb, intel vt-d and amd whatever |
| 20:57.07 | zykotick9 | CFO600: i'd recommend only using codenames in sources and not stable/testing/unstable, easier to manage |
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| 20:57.18 | CFO600 | Oki - so i just remove all lines with squeeze in souces.list , and i'm good to go ? |
| 20:57.23 | debdeb | ksuhku: for which functions? |
| 20:57.30 | pythonirc101 | Where is the x configuration file on debian? There is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf on my debian guest (VBox). |
| 20:57.37 | tw | ChibaPet: it does. And I think when called it might mkfifo (just strings'd it) |
| 20:57.42 | ksuhku | debdeb, don't know so granularly |
| 20:57.43 | Nik05 | pan__ did you just remove a lot of stuff from it? |
| 20:57.44 | dondelelcaro | pythonirc101: you don't need an X configuration file by default. |
| 20:57.45 | vaillor | dondelelcaro, i need it from wan interface, not from a lan. i know it's off topic |
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| 20:57.57 | zykotick9 | pythonirc101: xorg.conf can be created, but isn't "generally" needed |
| 20:58.00 | debdeb | ksuhku: thanks. but this i want to know |
| 20:58.03 | dondelelcaro | vaillor: so get yourself a vhost; they're cheap. |
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| 20:58.22 | pan__ | Nik05: no I just changed the http to ftp, im getting the link to what it used to be right now. |
| 20:58.27 | pythonirc101 | the problem is, I installed vbox guest additions for the latest vbox, but my resolution is stuck to 1024x768 |
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| 20:58.30 | id10t | vaillor: http://www.t1shopper.com/tools/port-scan/ |
| 20:58.47 | debdeb | ksuhku: for example: is vt-d needed to use a graphiccard in KVM? |
| 20:58.51 | ctmjr | another sid victim |
| 20:58.52 | pan__ | Nik05: http://paste.debian.net/2526/ |
| 20:59.10 | debdeb | ksuhku: i mean: directly... without any emulation-layer |
| 20:59.13 | tw | debdeb: vt-d is needed for hardware passthrough of pci[-e] devices. |
| 20:59.16 | Nik05 | well and does it work with ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 20:59.20 | tw | so yes. |
| 20:59.22 | pan__ | no |
| 20:59.24 | pan__ | same error |
| 20:59.27 | Trae32566-NE | ugh >.> |
| 20:59.38 | vaillor | id10t, thank you |
| 20:59.39 | Nik05 | can you give us a paste of what you get with apt-get update |
| 20:59.43 | pan__ | i can ping google fine also, so i am assuming its not my internet |
| 20:59.52 | pan__ | is that kept in a log somewhere? |
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| 21:00.01 | debdeb | tw: so without vt-d... no 3d-accelleration for example? |
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| 21:00.17 | ksuhku | debdeb, I just know KVM requires the hw support to run at all |
| 21:00.30 | debdeb | ksuhku: thats vt-x |
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| 21:00.43 | ChibaPet | tw: I'm going to build a quick install on a local test box to try this, but while I do that, there might be something to glean from this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1648319&page=2 |
| 21:00.43 | ksuhku | ah right |
| 21:00.50 | Nik05 | pan__ not the update i think |
| 21:00.50 | tw | debdeb: No 3d. iirc, there's been some toying around with a gallium driver for kvm, but I don't think anyone has done that yet. |
| 21:00.51 | debdeb | ksuhku: not vt-d |
| 21:00.53 | zykotick9 | debdeb: the vt does NOT affect 3d acceleration, but CPU support only. |
| 21:00.55 | tw | ChibaPet: thanks for your help so far. |
| 21:00.58 | tw | I'll read that. |
| 21:01.01 | Nik05 | only when you change packages |
| 21:01.04 | pythonirc101 | can I change screen resolution from system settings or gui somewhere? |
| 21:01.08 | Trae32566-NE | er... |
| 21:01.11 | ksuhku | debdeb, sorry, I managed to confuse the two... |
| 21:01.45 | debdeb | zykotick9: ok. thx. but what is affected then without vt-d? |
| 21:01.50 | debdeb | ok, i try an example |
| 21:01.57 | zykotick9 | pythonirc101: consider installing "arandr - Simple visual front end for XRandR" for a gui method |
| 21:02.09 | id10t | pan__: apt-get update 2> apt-error-log |
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| 21:02.15 | Trae32566-NE | IIRC you can pass through a video card if you have VT-D, and [obviously] if you pass it through to the VM, you can get 3D support (with the appropriate drivers) |
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| 21:02.16 | zykotick9 | debdeb: without vt-d you'll get slower performance... |
| 21:02.17 | pythonirc101 | zykotick9: max I can get to is 1600x1200 using system display settings. |
| 21:02.18 | id10t | pan__: the 2> redirects stderr |
| 21:02.33 | zykotick9 | debdeb: you also can't emulate 64bit on 32bit systems |
| 21:02.54 | debdeb | i want to build a fully virtualized laptop. the main (used) system should work under KVM or xen... |
| 21:03.14 | pan__ | id10t: thanks |
| 21:03.20 | zykotick9 | debdeb: KVM requires cpu virt support! |
| 21:03.23 | tw | zykotick9: You might be hard pressed to find a vt-d capable system that isn't amd64 isa or some extension thereof. ;) |
| 21:03.32 | Trae32566-NE | o.O |
| 21:03.33 | tw | Sorry, vt-x |
| 21:03.39 | debdeb | zykotick9: which is vt-x, right? |
| 21:03.42 | Trae32566-NE | no |
| 21:03.49 | Trae32566-NE | VT-X != VT-D |
| 21:04.14 | debdeb | zykotick9: vt-x is present. i just wonder, if i really _need_ a cpu with vt-d |
| 21:04.18 | tw | vt-x is hypervisor instruction support, vt-d is IOMMU/directed io. |
| 21:04.27 | Trae32566-NE | ^^^ |
| 21:04.29 | Trae32566-NE | that |
| 21:04.34 | Trae32566-NE | I was typing it, damn you! |
| 21:04.52 | tw | debdeb: If you don't need 3d accel or device passthrough, you do not need vt-d. |
| 21:04.59 | tw | If you do, you REALLY want vt-d. |
| 21:05.09 | zykotick9 | debdeb: does this return anything: cat /proc/cpuinfo | egrep '(vmx|svm)' |
| 21:05.10 | tw | also, some usb passthrough does not work properly without vt-d. |
| 21:05.20 | gnat_x | hi folks. is there an easy way to get the MAC address of a device that i connect to with my wired interface. |
| 21:05.23 | tuvwx | hmm.. follow testing, or stick with wheezy?! |
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| 21:05.29 | Trae32566-NE | VT-D is not easy to find |
| 21:05.32 | debdeb | zykotick9: emulating 64bit systems on 32bit system is not needed. the whole system is 64bit then |
| 21:05.34 | Walex | debdeb: there various online discussions I recently read about IOMMU support, it is not indeed a clear advantage in many situations |
| 21:06.11 | Walex | gnat_x: if you connect to i, the MAC address must be known to your system. In some table or another. |
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| 21:07.06 | gnat_x | Walex: yes. but will ip route or some such actually tell me what? |
| 21:07.08 | Nik05 | pan__ you should probably use wheezy |
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| 21:07.33 | CFO600 | Ohh btw it seems like gnome 3 is crashing , and starting a recovery desktop or so ... My icons on the desktop are gone |
| 21:07.34 | Trae32566-NE | stick with Testing. keep life exciting! Lol |
| 21:07.34 | debdeb | zykotick9> debdeb: does this return anything: cat /proc/cpuinfo | egrep '(vmx|svm)' <- i dont have it... i am buying in the future. and want to know, which i have to buy |
| 21:07.40 | tw | gnat_x: as root, arp |
| 21:07.48 | Walex | gnat_x: if the device is accessed over Ethernet the ARP table will have its MAC address |
| 21:08.06 | tw | if your linux has seen the device mac, it will show up in the arp table. |
| 21:08.18 | zykotick9 | debdeb: i see. well, without that - no KVM... |
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| 21:08.37 | debdeb | Walex: thx. |
| 21:08.39 | gnat_x | cool. that's the info i was looking for! its late in the day, and the brain is moving slowly. |
| 21:08.57 | pan__ | Nik05: http://paste.debian.net/2527/ |
| 21:09.10 | beebee890 | Hi everyone, I am a newbie to Linux but I downloaded the latest debian ISO from the website and created a bootable USB stick. I am part way through the install and understand what a hostname is .. but this next screen about the domain name is confusing me. I don't have a domain for home use .. would it be harmful to just leave that field blank? |
| 21:09.13 | debdeb | zykotick9: sorry... again... vt-x is present in every cpu i would buy... so KVM works |
| 21:09.27 | debdeb | zykotick9: i just want to know if i really need vt-d |
| 21:09.33 | tw | Walex: could you link one of those articles in PM to me? imo, vt-d/IOMMU is pretty much always advantageous in terms of performance. |
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| 21:09.42 | Nik05 | right you said that was evrything in your sources.list -_- |
| 21:09.43 | debdeb | zykotick9: and KVM works without vt-d, too |
| 21:09.47 | zykotick9 | debdeb: isn't vt-x and vt-d just intel/amd difference? |
| 21:09.53 | Trae32566-NE | no. |
| 21:09.54 | tw | zykotick9: no. |
| 21:09.55 | debdeb | zykotick9: no. |
| 21:09.57 | pythonirc101 | zykotick9: arandr doesn't help. It seems that the vbox guest additions don't work well on the current VBox + Debian 7 |
| 21:10.02 | Trae32566-NE | ... |
| 21:10.09 | Trae32566-NE | VT-X is virtualization support |
| 21:10.19 | Nik05 | pan__ if you dont tell use what you have in your sources.list we arent going to help you |
| 21:10.22 | id10t | pan__: all 3 of those domains work for me, you have DNS issues on your end |
| 21:10.25 | mtn | beebee890: blank is fine |
| 21:10.34 | id10t | pan__: what are you using for your nameserver? look in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:10.34 | Trae32566-NE | VT-D is IOMMU |
| 21:11.00 | zykotick9 | pythonirc101: sorry, i consider vbox to be = oracle fail. best of luck. (it is probably best virt solution for 3d type GUIs though). i just use kvm myself. |
| 21:11.18 | Walex | tw: sorry, I can't remember, I just did a web search and read a few pages. IOMMU is not always advnatageous, and in many cases give not much, but in a few cases it helps significantly. |
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| 21:11.44 | tw | Walex: do you happen to remember an example of a negative indicator? |
| 21:11.45 | pan__ | Nik05: I gave you the output of my sources.list for some reason dropbox didnt put its source in there. |
| 21:11.47 | zykotick9 | Trae32566-NE: thanks. debdeb sorry, my bad - listen to Trae32566-NE, ignore me. |
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| 21:12.00 | Walex | tw: however there is an ubuntu page about it: |
| 21:12.00 | Walex | [22:10] Trae32566-NE | VT-X is virtualization support |
| 21:12.00 | Walex | [22:10] Nik05 | pan__ if you dont tell use what you have in your |
| 21:12.00 | Walex | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.00 | Walex | [22:10] id10t | pan__: all 3 of those domains work for me, you have DNS |
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| 21:12.09 | tw | heh |
| 21:12.10 | tw | Oops |
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| 21:12.27 | tw | wb |
| 21:12.32 | Walex | ooops sorry paste mishape |
| 21:12.33 | tw | I suspect that is not what you wanted to paste. |
| 21:12.35 | debdeb | *g* |
| 21:12.37 | id10t | pan__: sometimes there will be entries in /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 21:12.44 | Nik05 | oh right there too |
| 21:12.47 | beebee890 | mtn: Ok thanks |
| 21:13.08 | Nik05 | pan__ whats in your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? |
| 21:13.13 | Walex | tw: there is an Ubuntu page on IOMMU performance comes right up top with the obvious keywords |
| 21:13.14 | debdeb | i ask, bacause those vt-d-cpus are very seldom for laptops |
| 21:13.26 | pan__ | id10t: my name server is 10.1.10.1 I already checked sources.list.d and it is empty |
| 21:13.47 | Nik05 | right pan__ -_- |
| 21:13.59 | tw | debdeb: pretty much all non-K i7s since sandy bridge support it. |
| 21:14.01 | Nik05 | the paste you gave us didnt contain linux.dropbox.com |
| 21:14.04 | id10t | pan__: try changing nameserver to 8.8.8.8 and re-running hte update |
| 21:14.08 | ctmjr | pan__: any special reason you need to run experimental |
| 21:14.09 | Nik05 | so no idea what you are not telling us |
| 21:14.28 | id10t | pan__: and, if you run said 10.1.10.1 nameserver, make sure it is working (cache only i assume?) |
| 21:14.40 | debdeb | tw: hmm no.. not that one: i7-3630QM |
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| 21:14.59 | pan__ | ctmjr: not really, i just decided to try it and I didnt have any errors until now. Is it bad mannered to come in here asking people for help solving issues like this? |
| 21:15.01 | debdeb | tw: said here: http://www.notebookcheck.com/Intel-Core-i7-3630QM-Notebook-Prozessor.79661.0.html |
| 21:15.12 | id10t | Nik05: he posted his errors, and it shows a "Could not resolve 'linux.dropbox.com'" |
| 21:15.31 | Nik05 | id10t yeah and he posted his sources.list without linux.dropbox.com ;) |
| 21:15.32 | debdeb | and this one i am really interested at the moment |
| 21:15.34 | tw | Lots do. |
| 21:15.47 | tw | Wouldn't worry about it, you probably don't need it if you don't need 3d support. |
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| 21:16.31 | debdeb | tw: some lines above one said, 3d-acceleration isnt usefull with vt-d, too |
| 21:16.33 | pan__ | is there no other place dropbox could of put the source? its not in sources.list or sources.list.d |
| 21:16.51 | tw | Uh? They would be wrong. |
| 21:17.09 | Walex | tw: http://askubuntu.com/questions/85776/what-is-iommu-and-will-it-improve-my-vm-performance |
| 21:17.12 | tw | pci-e passthrough with drivers native to guest OS is plenty fast. |
| 21:17.23 | debdeb | tw: it isnt so, that i dont want 3d-accelleration... its just not _very_ needed |
| 21:17.41 | pan__ | id10t: changing my nameserver to 8.8.8.8 worked. thank you. |
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| 21:18.01 | tw | Walex: thanks. That makes sense. I've never tried to live-migrate a kvm but that sounds pretty bada** |
| 21:18.03 | ChibaPet | tw: Can I message you privately? |
| 21:18.06 | tw | Sure. |
| 21:18.13 | id10t | pan__: no problem. now you just need to get your internal nameserver fixed :) |
| 21:18.22 | debdeb | meeeeh. that would break my whole plan of a fully virtualized system |
| 21:18.51 | pythonirc101 | zykotick9: was my mistake. dkms missing. |
| 21:18.54 | Walex | tw: some of the "cloud" providers do VM migrations behind the scenes, so it matters to them |
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| 21:20.11 | debdeb | because nearly every WM wants 3d-acceleration newadays... gnome, kde... argh |
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| 21:21.25 | debdeb | ok... new aproach maybe... how is it with some kind of a chroot |
| 21:21.47 | debdeb | i remember something like linux-containers, right? |
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| 21:21.56 | debdeb | its not fully virtualized |
| 21:22.30 | debdeb | but i cant remember the name |
| 21:22.43 | debdeb | 4 letters |
| 21:22.51 | debdeb | or 3 |
| 21:23.05 | debdeb | lx---something? |
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| 21:24.09 | debdeb | the process runs natively on the cpu... but cant see the prozesses of the hist |
| 21:24.12 | debdeb | host |
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| 21:24.47 | debdeb | ahhh LXC... linux containers |
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| 21:25.46 | debdeb | sorry, arch: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Linux_Containers |
| 21:26.13 | debdeb | ok. for that i dont need KVM, vt-x or even vt-d |
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| 21:27.09 | pythonirc101 | how do I find the equivalent package for libxslt1-dev and libjpeg8-dev? |
| 21:27.13 | debdeb | is it then be possibel to use 3d-acceleration inside a LXC? |
| 21:27.28 | zykotick9 | debdeb: just a heads up, but trying to get 3d in KVM is something i've never managed. hope you have better success. |
| 21:27.31 | debdeb | is it possible to use a GUI at all? |
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| 21:27.49 | funnybunny | pythonirc101: apt-file maybe? |
| 21:28.00 | debdeb | zykotick9: thx |
| 21:28.26 | pythonirc101 | funnybunny: I'm new. apt-file libxslt? apt-file not found |
| 21:28.36 | debdeb | what would be the plus in using KVM against LXC? |
| 21:28.40 | id10t | debdeb: XDMCP or X forwarded via ssh tunnel ? |
| 21:28.55 | debdeb | id10t: 3d-accelerated? |
| 21:29.12 | zykotick9 | debdeb: gnome3-fallback works for sure. |
| 21:29.12 | id10t | debdeb: 3d acceleration will depend on your local X server, not what is installed on the "remote" box |
| 21:29.13 | Walex | pythonirc101: those are package names, not file names... |
| 21:29.28 | Walex | pythonirc101: 'apt-cache search ....' |
| 21:29.34 | debdeb | i would think... first: it doesnt work... 2nd: if it works... gigabit-network would not be enough |
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| 21:30.06 | pythonirc101 | Walex: Thanks |
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| 21:30.25 | id10t | debdeb: i know compiz worked via XDMCP a few years ago. super slow, but i was on a 10mb hub network... |
| 21:30.28 | debdeb | id10t: hm.... ok... that would break a fully-virtualized plan, too... but ok |
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| 21:30.58 | id10t | debdeb: no matter how virtual you get, you will eventually need some sort of local display |
| 21:31.40 | id10t | debdeb: unless you do it via browser like quake4 |
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| 21:31.50 | debdeb | id10t: you mean on the same system the kvm-host is running... running a simple X-server... 3d-accelerated... from this system ssh -X to a machin inside KVM... and starting a 3d-accelerated game there... would work? |
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| 21:32.22 | id10t | debdeb: well, it worked for 3d effects in a desktop environment |
| 21:32.38 | debdeb | ok... sounds nice |
| 21:32.41 | Walex | debdeb: GLX acceleration works only same-host. GLX can work over network connections, but without acceleration |
| 21:32.51 | debdeb | and for that... i dont need vt-d ;-) |
| 21:33.01 | id10t | debdeb: don't think xdmcp cares about whether it is via a internal-only net or across a switch/hub/carrier pigeon as long as it has enough communication handwidth |
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| 21:33.41 | id10t | right beer light is on |
| 21:33.45 | id10t | have fun y'all! |
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| 21:35.14 | debdeb | ok. that may be two workarounds to get 3d-acceleration from a virtualiced system... without vt-d... enough arguments to not to buy it |
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| 21:35.52 | debdeb | or search any longer for a laptop with vt-d... for a prize-break on about 800 eur |
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| 21:37.08 | debdeb | oh.. btw... xdmcp... i remember an old problem i had with it |
| 21:37.17 | debdeb | the session is gone after logging out |
| 21:37.47 | debdeb | is it possible to use it lilke vnc? |
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| 21:38.08 | Trae32566-NE | debdeb, what exactly do you need 3D support in a virtual for? |
| 21:38.21 | debdeb | Trae32566-NE: for example gnome4 |
| 21:38.42 | Trae32566-NE | er... |
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| 21:39.07 | debdeb | ok.. for gnome3 there is fallback wothout 3d-support... but how will it be in gnome 4? ;-) |
| 21:39.30 | debdeb | and a few other things, too |
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| 21:39.39 | debdeb | for example viewing a movie |
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| 21:40.04 | mentor | Is there a version of imp in wheezy? |
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| 21:40.24 | jhutchins_wk | debdeb: Why would you do something like that from a VM? Doesn't make sense. |
| 21:40.46 | jhutchins_wk | Or via a remote. |
| 21:40.52 | debdeb | Trae32566-NE: jhutchins_wk virtualize everything local |
| 21:41.45 | debdeb | for example... two running local machines with 3d-support |
| 21:41.54 | debdeb | at the same time |
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| 21:42.44 | debdeb | jhutchins_wk: does that make sense? |
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| 21:43.38 | jhutchins_wk | debdeb: No. |
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| 21:43.50 | debdeb | in my opinion: yes |
| 21:44.24 | jhutchins_wk | I think you misunderstand how the systems are intended to be used. |
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| 21:44.45 | jhutchins_wk | Video is still a high load operation, and gaming more so. |
| 21:45.04 | debdeb | but as said... maybe it isnt needed to use KVM/XEN for that LXC maybe enough |
| 21:45.49 | jhutchins_wk | debdeb: Those aren't intended for that kind of load either. |
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| 21:46.06 | jhutchins_wk | debdeb: They recommend that you simplify your video settings as much as possible. |
| 21:47.23 | jhutchins_wk | debdeb: I'm not trying to discourage you from experimenting, I just don't think you should expect satisfactory or even functional performance. |
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| 21:47.24 | debdeb | jhutchins_wk: imagine... i want the host to do nothing else than running KVM/XEN/LXC +firewall... everything else should be virtualized |
| 21:47.56 | jhutchins_wk | debdeb: I can imagine, and I think it's a bad idea. |
| 21:48.03 | debdeb | why? |
| 21:48.23 | jhutchins_wk | so many reasons... |
| 21:48.28 | debdeb | just because of the performance |
| 21:48.31 | debdeb | ? |
| 21:48.37 | jhutchins_wk | Like I said, those systems are not designed to handle that kind of use. |
| 21:48.58 | debdeb | and that was, why i asked if i really need vt-d for that |
| 21:49.31 | jhutchins_wk | That's not a solution. |
| 21:49.34 | debdeb | jhutchins_wk: and how should i do it then? |
| 21:49.45 | Trae32566-NE | oh |
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| 21:50.17 | Trae32566-NE | so basically you want a server that virtualizes everything you use. |
| 21:50.19 | jhutchins_wk | debdeb: Rather, that's a solution to a different set of problems. |
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| 21:50.25 | Trae32566-NE | ^^ |
| 21:50.32 | jhutchins_wk | debdeb: Reconsider your overall concept and what end result you actually want. |
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| 21:51.29 | debdeb | ok... i want more than one system run on the same host at the same time |
| 21:51.36 | jhutchins_wk | debdeb: What those tools are intended for is things like virtualizing terrabyte databases with thousands of concurrent users. |
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| 21:52.08 | debdeb | jhutchins_wk: yes, i know... but i want it to virtualize a desktop-system |
| 21:52.17 | jhutchins_wk | debdeb: Virtualizing data and data processing is different from virtualizing video and display. |
| 21:52.32 | jhutchins_wk | debdeb: It's like trying to run multiple music players through one set of speakers. |
| 21:52.51 | debdeb | *g* right... _sounds_ ugly... but i want it |
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| 21:53.37 | jhutchins_wk | debdeb: I suppose if you wanted to use multiple video cards you might get something to work, but not well - you're still trying to drive it through a single bus, and it sounds like you have some silly notion of displaying it remotely. |
| 21:53.58 | debdeb | a compromise... as said... would be to start a 3d-accelerated x-server on the host for the display |
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| 21:54.38 | jhutchins_wk | Go ahead and experiment - it's your time and money. Just don't expect to find people who've made it work, because they're not out there. |
| 21:54.58 | debdeb | hmmm... bad |
| 21:55.33 | shredd | hi, how outdated is http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/412 ? It's the first result in google but it is from 2006... |
| 21:55.35 | debdeb | isnt it a use-concept, which seems logical? |
| 21:55.55 | jhutchins_wk | debdeb: You're asking "how do I fine tune my tube amplifier with this hammer?" |
| 21:56.28 | debdeb | ok... maybe i am on the wrong way |
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| 21:56.57 | debdeb | jhutchins_wk: but how would you do it? |
| 21:57.07 | abrotman | shredd: shuld still be reasonable |
| 21:57.27 | abrotman | shredd: note the 1000 comments appended at the bottom :) |
| 21:57.35 | jelly-home | shredd: it's alright, far as I can see; nothing changed much except for the default place that NameVirtualHost gets put |
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| 21:58.00 | shredd | ok, thanks :P |
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| 21:58.14 | jhutchins_wk | debdeb: I would acknowledge that 3D, gaming, and video are meant to be done on dedicated hardware and run a normal single-layer, single-user system. |
| 21:58.41 | debdeb | ok... another approach would be, to put all in a chroot |
| 21:59.02 | ardtus | hey guys. installing wheezy on a macbook pro - needs a broadcom driver during the install for wlan. if I copy the .bin file to a usb, it's not working. any suggestions? |
| 21:59.04 | jhutchins_wk | debdeb: BTW one of my systems is a LTSP box remoted off of a server which handles all the CPU and I/O chores. Video is it's worst limitation. |
| 21:59.05 | jelly-home | shredd: look at /etc/apache2/ports.conf for that now, I think |
| 21:59.15 | divbell | debdeb, it's not debian, but vmware does virtualized desktops.. i think wyse even sells a thin client for it |
| 21:59.19 | jhutchins_wk | debdeb: It uses local hardware. |
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| 22:00.29 | shredd | jelly-home: you mean at the time to create the virtual.conf or? |
| 22:00.33 | debdeb | jhutchins_wk: yea, i know... some things work... xawtv for example work through a ssh -X |
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| 22:01.07 | debdeb | jhutchins_wk: but ugly and only in a little window... not fullscreen |
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| 22:01.39 | debdeb | divbell: thx... i will look |
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| 22:02.47 | debdeb | oh... and the host dont _need_ to be a linux system... just minimal one running guest is linux... and there it would be nice with 3d-accelleration |
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| 22:04.09 | debdeb | but back to chroot... in a chroot it isnt to start a prozess with 3d-acceleration, right? |
| 22:04.17 | debdeb | + a problem |
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| 22:05.21 | debdeb | or back one step... in a chroot it is possible to start a X-server, right? |
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| 22:06.28 | Carlinhos | chrome opens image files with gimp instead of viewnior --- how to change this? |
| 22:07.04 | awktion | open file manager, right click and do properties on file, go to open-with tab (or so) and select |
| 22:07.23 | awktion | may need to 'add' |
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| 22:07.29 | awktion | @carlinhos |
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| 22:08.02 | debdeb | or another question ehich comes with it: if i go to another console with CTRL-ALT-2... for example... there i could start a nother X-server on :1... is that second x-server 3d-accelerated, too? |
| 22:08.40 | awktion | yeah |
| 22:08.45 | awktion | you can start more than one x server |
| 22:08.50 | awktion | :7 :8 are common |
| 22:08.56 | debdeb | 3d-accelerated? |
| 22:08.59 | awktion | multiple logins tend to spawn em |
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| 22:09.00 | awktion | yeah |
| 22:09.00 | Carlinhos | awktion: viewnor is already selected in thunar |
| 22:09.20 | awktion | Carlinhos, yet a double click doesnt open it with viewnor? |
| 22:09.28 | awktion | oh chrome |
| 22:09.32 | awktion | right |
| 22:09.33 | debdeb | so that one video-file plays on the first x-server and another video on the second x-server? |
| 22:09.41 | Carlinhos | just chrome apparently |
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| 22:09.58 | awktion | Carlinhos, you need this: |
| 22:10.06 | awktion | chrome://chrome-urls/ |
| 22:10.09 | Carlinhos | iceweasek does open images with viewnor |
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| 22:12.00 | Carlinhos | awktion: which option? |
| 22:12.17 | awktion | not sure |
| 22:12.19 | awktion | looking |
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| 22:12.25 | awktion | might need to edit a file in ur profile |
| 22:12.43 | debdeb | ok, ant the next questin is: when i chroot in another "system"... can i start for example vlc there 3d-accelerated and send it to xserver on :0? unfortunately... in a chroot... there is no :0? |
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| 22:13.06 | awktion | my serarches are ineffective Carlinhos |
| 22:13.13 | awktion | i'd recommend going to the chrome channel on freenode |
| 22:13.28 | awktion | debdeb, remote or local system |
| 22:13.35 | debdeb | local |
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| 22:13.57 | awktion | not 100% |
| 22:15.12 | debdeb | my next t-thirt: "i see dead prozesses" |
| 22:15.13 | Stameni | i cant get debian console to display my language special characters |
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| 22:16.20 | awktion | !locale |
| 22:16.21 | dpkg | A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale |
| 22:16.29 | awktion | that second one |
| 22:16.37 | awktion | !locales | Stameni |
| 22:16.44 | abrotman | ahem .. |
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| 22:16.59 | abrotman | wonders which bot uses a | to redirect things |
| 22:17.07 | awktion | lol |
| 22:17.12 | awktion | probably somewhere i'm _not_ |
| 22:17.25 | awktion | mind correcting my syntax? :/ |
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| 22:17.48 | Stameni | awktion: i have tried to reconfigure locales, keyboard-configuration and console-data and console-setup and nothing helps .. |
| 22:17.50 | jelly-home | shredd: there's no need to create it at all, the relevant line is already present in ports.conf |
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| 22:18.32 | awktion | you ran locale-gen Stameni ? |
| 22:18.34 | shredd | jelly-home: ok thanks I'm still struggling hehe |
| 22:18.51 | Stameni | awktion: no. ? |
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| 22:19.00 | awktion | Stameni, http://wiki.debian.org/Locale#Manually |
| 22:19.16 | jelly-home | Stameni: which language? |
| 22:19.24 | Stameni | jelly-home: serbian-latin |
| 22:19.35 | jelly-home | hm, that ought to be simple |
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| 22:20.02 | Stameni | jelly-home: i don't need to type special latin charachters, just want to be able to reed them |
| 22:20.15 | jelly-home | any font containing latin2 subset and more should work |
| 22:20.52 | Stameni | jelly-home: i have to mention that i have no x |
| 22:21.15 | Stameni | i need console itself and software running from console to display those characters |
| 22:21.22 | jelly-home | you said you wanted console, yes |
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| 22:21.38 | Stameni | jelly-home: so how to add fonts ? |
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| 22:22.19 | jelly-home | Stameni: what answers did you give to console-setup? |
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| 22:22.29 | Stameni | jelly-home: just a sec |
| 22:22.41 | jelly-home | Stameni: please pastebin the contents of /etc/default/console-setup |
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| 22:23.59 | jelly-home | checks for "completely different" Croatian specific glyphs on his console... they work |
| 22:25.31 | Stameni | jelly-home: i now have messed up my font size, what is default for debian, please ? |
| 22:25.42 | jelly-home | I'd assume 8x16 |
| 22:26.03 | awktion | console? |
| 22:26.13 | awktion | ive not changed anything, if you can tell me where to look i'll do that |
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| 22:26.40 | Stameni | jelly-home: tnx, yes |
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| 22:27.31 | zykotick9 | awktion: as root, "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" might help? |
| 22:28.05 | awktion | 16 |
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| 22:29.29 | jelly-home | Stameni: alternatively, "debconf-show console-setup" |
| 22:30.01 | Stameni | jelly-home: i have managed to set it up, thank you |
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| 22:30.10 | jelly-home | \o/ |
| 22:30.25 | Stameni | jelly-home: can i somehow "on the fly" change the keyboard layout in cli ? |
| 22:30.46 | jelly-home | last time I tried that, the command was loadkeys |
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| 22:31.38 | mniip | jelly-home, can you type that with a, say, russian layout |
| 22:31.51 | mniip | i doubt |
| 22:31.54 | jelly-home | ныет |
| 22:31.57 | Stameni | jelly-home: and can i set somehow that i can see cyrilic alphabet ? |
| 22:32.14 | Stameni | jelly-home: i don't see those characters nw |
| 22:32.19 | Stameni | now* |
| 22:32.22 | mniip | hm |
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| 22:32.37 | mniip | well, i've had some problems with russian in tty as well |
| 22:32.39 | jelly-home | Stameni: that's a good question, I'm not sure whether there's a font that supports latin2 and cyrillic at the same time |
| 22:32.51 | mniip | only like lower half of the lowercase characters showed up correctly |
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| 22:33.17 | Stameni | jelly-home: serbian have to alphabets, latin and cyrillic |
| 22:33.28 | jelly-home | thinks console is a lost cause -- a sole maximized xterm in X will work faster and is easier to configure |
| 22:33.38 | jelly-home | Stameni: I know |
| 22:33.45 | mniip | >x |
| 22:33.47 | mniip | >faster |
| 22:33.51 | mniip | >easier to configure |
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| 22:34.41 | jelly-home | mniip: you don't have to repeat everything in lots of lines to express surprise, it fills up the log and is kind of rude |
| 22:34.51 | mniip | ... |
| 22:35.11 | Stameni | mniip, if u want to say that i should install x |
| 22:35.12 | mniip | don't see in which way is it rude though |
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| 22:35.48 | Stameni | mniip, on this machine i want cli only so i could learn shell properly |
| 22:36.11 | Stameni | or at least try to |
| 22:36.12 | mniip | it was sarcasm |
| 22:36.51 | jelly-home | Stameni: I'm saying it's less trouble. Just get X working, use any old window manager or light desktop enviroment, open a terminal emulator and start CLIing |
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| 22:37.51 | jelly-home | you'll be in actual console when things go seriously wrong, and at that point you're trying to recover a system, not write about ćevapčići |
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| 22:38.34 | Stameni | :) jelly-home: i have another computer just next to this one, that one has gui |
| 22:38.53 | mniip | just ssh in this one from that one, then? |
| 22:38.56 | jelly-home | Stameni: Real Admins use X ;-) |
| 22:39.06 | mniip | PFFT |
| 22:39.09 | Stameni | jelly-home: i`m not real admin :P |
| 22:39.16 | jelly-home | on their console. they use ssh for remote access |
| 22:39.47 | mniip | well yes |
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| 22:40.10 | mniip | but i've never seen an admin using vnc to do stuff |
| 22:40.40 | ChibaPet | mniip: You've never worked in a VMware shop? :P |
| 22:40.56 | mniip | no |
| 22:40.59 | EmleyMoor | mniip: I've used it - and not just to work on Windows boxes |
| 22:41.14 | mniip | ew winblows servers |
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| 22:42.06 | jelly-home | mniip: you should have seen one using magical propriteary java applets to get access to the console, at least |
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| 22:44.22 | jelly-home | would use an animated dead crow to get console access if that meant not having to go to the datacenter... vnc is sweet, comparatively speaking |
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| 22:47.54 | ChibaPet | Animated dead crows can be rough as interfaces. Too often you resort to hunt and peck. |
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| 22:54.22 | shredd | hi i have installed vsftpd and changed this in the conf: anonymous_enable=NO , local_enable=YES , write_enable=YES and uncommented the local_umask=022 and restarted vsftpd but i cant upload files, any ideas? |
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| 23:02.56 | pythonirc101 | is there a ppa for sublime text 2 for debian? |
| 23:03.00 | pythonirc101 | or perhaps a package name? |
| 23:03.10 | abrotman | pythonirc101: PPAs aren't for Debian |
| 23:03.24 | pythonirc101 | abrotman: any easy way to install sublimetext? |
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| 23:03.45 | cra1g321 | pythonirc101 - http://www.sublimetext.com/2 |
| 23:04.17 | abrotman | pythonirc101: you realize it's not free to use, right ? |
| 23:04.29 | cra1g321 | i think it is abrotman |
| 23:04.33 | abrotman | no, it's not |
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| 23:04.42 | cra1g321 | here is currently no enforced time limit for the evaluation. |
| 23:04.46 | cra1g321 | there* |
| 23:04.48 | pythonirc101 | abrotman: indeed. Which sucks of course :) |
| 23:04.49 | abrotman | it's not free to use |
| 23:04.56 | abrotman | you're violating the terms if you do not buy a license |
| 23:05.08 | pythonirc101 | abrotman: by installing? Really? |
| 23:05.18 | abrotman | read the license |
| 23:05.36 | cra1g321 | pythonirc101 if you're looking for a python IDE check out ninja-ide |
| 23:05.44 | pythonirc101 | abrotman: not sure what constitutes "continued"-use. |
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| 23:05.51 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 23:05.54 | abrotman | pythonirc101: ask the author, see how they feel about it |
| 23:05.56 | lenswipe | i can't start hostapd |
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| 23:06.08 | lenswipe | it says it failed to start but i can't find a logfile anywhere |
| 23:07.56 | shredd | hi i have installed vsftpd and changed this in the conf: anonymous_enable=NO , local_enable=YES , write_enable=YES and uncommented the local_umask=022 and restarted vsftpd but i cant upload files, any ideas? |
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| 23:16.12 | socomm | shredd: there is a vsftpd channel |
| 23:16.19 | socomm | shredd: /j #vsftpd |
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| 23:19.26 | shredd | socomm: yeah but it is very dead |
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| 23:20.29 | funnybunny | time to start reading code |
| 23:20.33 | truexfan81 | its sad how many freenode channels are like that |
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| 23:20.48 | funnybunny | if you can't find someone with a clue, get one by reading the actual code |
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| 23:21.53 | funnybunny | ever noticed that real code is written in C? :P |
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| 23:28.24 | jelly-home | the other code is unreal? |
| 23:28.43 | abrotman | that's an engine! |
| 23:29.13 | jelly-home | funnybunny: which browser do you use? |
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| 23:30.47 | shredd | noone uses vsftpd here? :/ |
| 23:31.17 | jelly-home | s/vsftpd/ftp/ hopefully |
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| 23:33.04 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:33.16 | funnybunny | jelly-home: mostly firefox, why? |
| 23:33.17 | funnybunny | jelly-home: if you feel better do s/real/often used/ |
| 23:33.17 | funnybunny | and keep your java/microsoft java (.net/#c and the like) rumblings to yuorself if you're about to go off on those |
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| 23:33.25 | funnybunny | are you using sshfs? |
| 23:33.36 | jelly-home | funnybunny: that one's C++, not real code |
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| 23:34.02 | funnybunny | jelly-home: i only know you for 4 lines and you are already boring |
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| 23:34.27 | abrotman | wonders how this is related |
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| 23:35.26 | funnybunny | c++ is mostly useless imo |
| 23:35.36 | abrotman | funnybunny: do you need help with Debian? |
| 23:35.41 | funnybunny | always |
| 23:35.49 | abrotman | waits |
| 23:35.50 | jelly-home | funnybunny: I'm not here to be amusing, but to help with tech issues and get help with tech issues |
| 23:36.13 | funnybunny | what are you implying? |
| 23:36.25 | abrotman | funnybunny: do you need help with Debian? perhaps you want #debian-offtopic |
| 23:36.39 | funnybunny | i told shred to start reading the code of his ftpd.. then went on a tangent.. |
| 23:36.56 | funnybunny | it was your choice to choose what to reply to |
| 23:37.03 | abrotman | funnybunny: do you need help with Debian? perhaps you want #debian-offtopic |
| 23:37.31 | funnybunny | *shrug* |
| 23:37.44 | funnybunny | does "get a life" answer your question? :) |
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| 23:38.00 | STMelon | lol |
| 23:38.02 | STMelon | sighs |
| 23:38.03 | abrotman | boiled bunny .. |
| 23:38.17 | STMelon | waves 2 abrotman |
| 23:38.22 | abrotman | tried to have it be helpful ... |
| 23:38.25 | abrotman | or useful |
| 23:38.48 | shredd | just realized he was actually flaming me |
| 23:38.57 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:39.01 | STMelon | yip |
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| 23:40.09 | jelly-home | shredd: just be patient, vsftpd is likely the most used ftpd in debian, sooner or later someone clueful might appear in their channel or here |
| 23:41.05 | shredd | yep, i am just doing something very basic that i had done in other servers before :| |
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| 23:48.11 | mmnicolas | shredd: there is a wiki page, only in french, I'm sure it'll be useful even through a translator |
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| 23:48.38 | mmnicolas | wiki.debian.or/fr/vsftpd |
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| 23:49.14 | Towzzer | vsftpd is good |
| 23:49.17 | Towzzer | nice ssl support |
| 23:49.38 | shredd | i appreciate the comment but i dont really think i should lose so much time to do something as simple as being able to upload files :P |
| 23:50.01 | shredd | not trying to do anything advanced here! |
| 23:50.02 | ChibaPet | shredd: Without having followed the saga - would scp work for you? |
| 23:50.04 | Towzzer | it's not that simple |
| 23:50.21 | Towzzer | the server is always more complex than the client |
| 23:50.21 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.22 | mmnicolas | well, it's the "very secure ftpd", sure you have to take some measures |
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| 23:51.00 | lenswipe | funnybunny, C - Not even once. |
| 23:51.11 | shredd | ChibaPet: might be but i need a windows client such as filezilla to work with the server |
| 23:51.12 | mmnicolas | we're talking about uploading files, major potential breach |
| 23:51.13 | themill | shredd: why not use the sftp server that you already have installed and working instead of faffing about with a different daemon? |
| 23:51.24 | themill | shredd: filezilla does sftp. |
| 23:51.27 | ChibaPet | shredd: You can get Windows SSH. |
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| 23:51.37 | ChibaPet | shredd: What themill said. |
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| 23:52.38 | shredd | themill: hmm |
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| 23:53.21 | shredd | well im quite lost, i just installed vsftpd so that i could acess via filezilla, otherwise it wouldnt work |
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| 23:53.45 | shredd | i am not expliciting in filezilla what sftp server to use nor anything besides the credential |
| 23:53.45 | shredd | s |
| 23:54.45 | themill | shredd: just tell filezilla to go to sftp://you.example.org and stick your username and password in the relevant boxes. Job done. |
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| 23:56.59 | shredd | themill: where were you when i first needed this? |
| 23:57.02 | shredd | :P |
| 23:57.20 | shredd | so it seems that the problem is that the user i want to use doesnt have permissions |
| 23:57.32 | shredd | to write in that folder |
| 23:57.44 | themill | shredd: was the question you asked "how do I configure vsftp" or was it "how do I copy files onto my server"? |
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| 23:58.54 | shredd | themill: i was joking with the question :P been using vsftpd for years and now i find out i didnt need it :P |
