| 00:00.07 | engla | peterrooney: hi |
| 00:00.21 | rgr | "Dyndns decided to change their business model and they stopped offering free account. It made me decide to make dyndns less important for ddclient." |
| 00:00.34 | rgr | hmm |
| 00:00.36 | tgs3 | during netinstall 6.0.5 where should be the cdrom mounted? into /cdrom/ ? because cdrom-retriver doesnt see files there.... |
| 00:00.46 | tgs3 | please help me with trouble on netinstall ^ |
| 00:01.15 | peterrooney | engla: where is ~r documented? |
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| 00:02.34 | engla | peterrooney: aptitude manual in wheezy.. where multiarch is |
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| 00:12.41 | haylo | tgs3: perhaps a custom boot parameter would help. press tab at boot screen of netinstall to see those that are already used |
| 00:12.43 | useless-eater | how to install debian from a usb key? I put it iso on a usb using unetbootin, but now install fails horribly on "Detect and mount CD-ROM", after choosing keyboard layout. |
| 00:12.58 | useless-eater | is there a finished debian netinstall ready to be dd'd into usb-key? :) |
| 00:13.09 | haylo | useless-eater: yes |
| 00:13.33 | useless-eater | great :) thanks |
| 00:14.02 | haylo | all of the can bee dd'd to usb. the standard image is what you call a "binary-hybrid.iso" |
| 00:14.14 | haylo | them can be* |
| 00:14.17 | tgs3 | haylo: the proble is that |
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| 00:14.36 | tgs3 | haylo: cdrom-retriever says it can not find given file, why it IS in /cdrom/ |
| 00:14.42 | tgs3 | why cdrom-retrv lies |
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| 00:15.58 | haylo | tgs3: yes perhaps try booting the system to ram with the "toram" boot parameter, and removing the CD. basically what you have is a "bug" there |
| 00:16.22 | zophy | how can i have dpkg reinstall all packages but not overwrite any existing files? |
| 00:16.57 | tgs3 | haylo: dont want to repeat the installation now |
| 00:17.03 | useless-eater | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ Ahh that saved me some problems I think |
| 00:17.11 | tgs3 | when its almost dne |
| 00:17.13 | tgs3 | * done |
| 00:17.21 | tgs3 | and partitioner is uncomfortable pain |
| 00:17.57 | cardamon | zophy: dpkg will always prompt if replacing an existing config file with a new one. |
| 00:19.14 | haylo | linux cheatcodes, lulz |
| 00:19.16 | zophy | cardamon, well... i lost my entire /usr partition so i was thinking that i might see if i could just reinstall those files, that is a lot of files |
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| 00:21.21 | haylo | yeah looks like the boot parameter would be "nocd" tgs3 , if you want to try it in the future |
| 00:21.27 | zophy | but backing up /home and reinstalling all of deb isn't that much more work |
| 00:22.45 | tgs3 | haylo: try what? |
| 00:22.52 | zophy | hmmm.. can I mount a device with multiple mount points ? |
| 00:22.59 | tgs3 | haylo: ok lo |
| 00:22.59 | cardamon | zophy: Lost it? |
| 00:23.02 | tgs3 | it looks like a strange bug |
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| 00:23.26 | tgs3 | if [ -e /cdro/pool/main/l/linux/..... ] ; then echo YES ; fi |
| 00:23.27 | zophy | cardamon, i was using ext2 on a thumbdrive |
| 00:23.44 | tgs3 | says YES the package file is there in file system in /cdrom/ (*typo above. /cdrom/) |
| 00:24.01 | tgs3 | but when cdro-retriever does the exact same test |
| 00:24.04 | tgs3 | it returns false |
| 00:24.04 | tgs3 | wtf? |
| 00:24.28 | haylo | tgs3: yeah this is a commonly reported bug. especailly with debian derivitives, like ubuntu and crunchbang |
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| 00:24.31 | zophy | can i mount /, /usr/bin, and /usr/sbin on the same device ? |
| 00:24.59 | zophy | and then /usr on different device ? |
| 00:25.55 | tgs3 | haylo: well this is ubuntu net install... I dont get this bug, how can one script say the file is there and other it is not there? have link to the bug? |
| 00:25.58 | zophy | when it comes to matters out of bed, i am not a mount expert |
| 00:26.01 | tgs3 | *DEBIAN net install |
| 00:26.30 | tgs3 | zophy: generally I dont see why not |
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| 00:27.51 | tgs3 | ok so I narrowed it down a bit |
| 00:28.27 | Cira | Anyone knows how to get the mouse working in a shell-only virtualbox-hosted Debian? Or if it's even possible? |
| 00:28.28 | tgs3 | ls -la /cdrom/ executed from inside anna debian installer says the dir is empty, and from any shell like alt-ctrl-f2 says files are there. WTF??! is anna using some special namespace with separate mounts? what? |
| 00:28.29 | haylo | tgs3: you know its possible to build an installable debian, and use the more up to date installer packages |
| 00:28.38 | haylo | its actually the fix the faq presents |
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| 00:28.50 | haylo | http://wiki.debian.org/InstallFAQ#Q._The_installer_does_not_run_on.2Fdetect_my_hardware._What_do_I_do.3F |
| 00:29.27 | haylo | you can make it with debian-live-build or debootstrap. but its going to take some study :P |
| 00:29.28 | tgs3 | haylo: but it detects my cdrom. most packages installed. and I do see files in /cdrom/ ! but I see them in the vt-2 bash, while process anna does not see the |
| 00:29.45 | haylo | haha, i know. i have heard all of this before |
| 00:29.51 | tgs3 | I just want to tell the anna program to the fuck see this stupid files |
| 00:29.54 | haylo | thats why im telling you, the things im saying |
| 00:30.04 | tgs3 | hits anna with a windows8 laptop |
| 00:30.33 | tgs3 | how can one process see /cdrom/ files and other not see them |
| 00:30.33 | engla | anna is a bot |
| 00:31.35 | tgs3 | haylo: ok, I want to have a work around right now without restarting install. since bash shell does see files in /cdrom/ it is doable. How this is happening that one process sees /cdrom/empty is it really a KERNEL BUG? or is anna running in some.... separate namespace? how to make it reset/reread files |
| 00:33.14 | tgs3 | is anna running in some chroot? |
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| 00:34.41 | tgs3 | ok, the anna installer sees other output of "mount" command then rest of the system. how is that poissible and how to force anna to see the same (correct) mounts? |
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| 00:39.02 | neon__ | where is the fonts dir? |
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| 00:41.38 | haylo | neon__: /usr/local/share/fonts/ . here is the docs on installing fonts http://wiki.debian.org/Fonts |
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| 00:43.00 | haylo | search for installable font packages like: " apt-cache search fonts- " |
| 00:43.02 | neon__ | thanks :) |
| 00:43.46 | haylo | np. i wish i could find that run time fix for tgs3 problem. I know there is one |
| 00:44.22 | haylo | but it is complicated, requires alot of knowledge of the debian-installer. which you can only really get from irc.oftc.net #debian-installer people |
| 00:49.29 | tgs3 | haylo: I fixed it |
| 00:49.43 | tgs3 | added mount /dev/cdrom /cdrom to the cdrom-retriver script. |
| 00:49.46 | zophy | is btrfs working well ? |
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| 01:01.58 | haylo | tgs3: bravo! :) |
| 01:02.04 | tgs3 | dances |
| 01:02.18 | haylo | haha |
| 01:02.31 | tgs3 | haylo: still I dont know how on earth is that possible. are you anna developer? is it running in some weird chroot thing or something? |
| 01:02.47 | tgs3 | how can 2 processes have other output of mount command |
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| 01:03.25 | tgs3 | normally it can happen in 1) chroot 2) FUSE but even ther it is at least listed in mount 3) kernel bugs 4) ? |
| 01:04.16 | haylo | tgs3: no im just some noob who spend to much time playing with thier debian. but... i can tell you it is making a chroot, and debootstrapping it with the contents of the installer image |
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| 01:05.21 | tgs3 | haylo: why you keep repeating that, its 100% offtopic to waht I do :) |
| 01:05.46 | tgs3 | haylo: I just fixed the installer from within the installer, e.g. patched the installer from inside installer while installing debian |
| 01:05.57 | tgs3 | and now its done installing :) woo |
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| 01:06.08 | haylo | you asked if it was making a chroot, and i answered, yes it is |
| 01:09.53 | haylo | the debian installer uses "debootstrap" to make its final image. so there is a period of time, that it is 2 systems. (1) normal, and (1) chroot |
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| 01:12.03 | tgs3 | haylo: oh. ok |
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| 01:34.55 | yann2 | hello! I am looking to build an APT repository using reprepro to host a few binary-only packages (backports built by other persons, some closed source daemons) - I was wondering if there was any way to use an incoming dir/dput with .deb packages only ? |
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| 01:43.36 | coreyb | anyone use debian? |
| 01:43.40 | coreyb | with mediatomb |
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| 01:53.06 | haylo | coreyb: im running debian on a baked potato, not sure if that helps |
| 01:53.46 | coreyb | nah. |
| 01:53.51 | coreyb | doesn't help much @haylo |
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| 01:57.56 | useless-eater | uptime: 02:53:57 up 13 days, 8:53, 1 user, load average: 0.85, 0.69, 0.77 Nothing for a server.. but its a very busy desktop running "testing", always upgrading, installing and removing programs. Would never ever be possible with a windows computer with similar usage :) linux <3 |
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| 02:02.28 | ectospasm | useless-eater: try upgrading from squeeze->sid, or wheezy->sid, I just did both over the past week... and nothing major was broken afaict |
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| 02:15.14 | zerick2 | zerick: hi |
| 02:15.29 | zerick2 | :) |
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| 02:23.50 | smw | Hi all, is it possible to install debian with just the first dvd? |
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| 02:28.24 | haylo | smw: where did you download it from? |
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| 02:28.59 | haylo | and yes, one DVD should be fine |
| 02:29.24 | haylo | in fact you can usually use soemthing much smaller, like a CD or a small usb drive |
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| 03:04.02 | KittyPaws | heyy |
| 03:04.13 | pce | hey |
| 03:04.17 | KittyPaws | I can't seem to get sound with mplayer and alsa. :/ |
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| 03:04.29 | KittyPaws | I'm drunk so sorry if I get awkward. |
| 03:05.03 | sney | !alsa checklist |
| 03:05.03 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 03:06.20 | KittyPaws | sney: I am in the audio group, all channels are fine, I don't use pulseaudio, whyy should I use it?, Speakers are fine, aplay? I am listen to music right now, I don't use squeeze but I use wheezy |
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| 03:07.49 | sney | KittyPaws, are you trying to use mplayer simultaneously with your music player? |
| 03:08.02 | KittyPaws | sney: I am trying to use mplayer to play a movie. |
| 03:08.17 | KittyPaws | I am not trying to play the movie while music player is playing music. |
| 03:08.23 | sney | ok |
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| 03:09.16 | KittyPaws | I am very drunk sorry. |
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| 03:09.51 | KittyPaws | Google didn't help me out. |
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| 03:10.23 | KittyPaws | All I found was people having problems with mplayer + pulseaudio but I don't even have pulseaudio installed. |
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| 03:10.50 | KittyPaws | sney: ^ |
| 03:11.13 | sney | yeah I'm around. |
| 03:11.18 | KittyPaws | okay. |
| 03:11.53 | sney | do you have the same problem with other media players, such as vlc or xine? |
| 03:12.03 | KittyPaws | I don't use those sney. |
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| 03:12.21 | sney | for the sake of the argument, can you try one? |
| 03:12.32 | KittyPaws | Installing VLC... |
| 03:12.41 | KittyPaws | BLOODY HELL! |
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| 03:12.47 | KittyPaws | This guy has FAST internet! |
| 03:12.58 | KittyPaws | Christ just got hit by a bus! :o |
| 03:13.41 | sney | rip |
| 03:14.06 | KittyPaws | sney: I get sound but I want to use mplayer. |
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| 03:14.48 | sney | ok, this just rules out a library problem |
| 03:15.41 | sney | I haven't used mplayer in some time. is there an option to specify sound output device? also, does your video card have hdmi out? mplayer may be getting "smart" and deciding to run both streams through the video card |
| 03:16.02 | KittyPaws | sney: mplayer -ao alsa filename.ext |
| 03:16.12 | KittyPaws | no HDMI |
| 03:16.18 | KittyPaws | LVDS |
| 03:17.22 | sney | you may want to try asking in #mplayer. if you have sound output from vlc and other applications it isn't a problem with alsa |
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| 03:18.56 | KittyPaws | sney: I am fully aware my alsa setup works fine! |
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| 03:46.40 | cardamon | Huh. I think my new old tablet keeps mounting with MTP and a camera. |
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| 03:50.35 | nvz | cardamon: what OS is on the tablet? |
| 03:52.03 | cardamon | Android ICS. |
| 03:52.37 | nvz | well in android you have to go in an choose how its usb is setup.. it usually has at least 3 different ways it can be used |
| 03:52.51 | nvz | mass storage, as a media device, or raw |
| 03:53.48 | cardamon | Thing is, they switched from Mass Storage to MTP with ICS. |
| 03:54.08 | nvz | if they seriously did,thats retarded |
| 03:54.26 | ectospasm | um, my phone with CM9 (ICS) uses Mass Storage mode afaict |
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| 03:54.50 | cardamon | ectospasm: Some do. Because some aren't retarded. |
| 03:55.01 | cardamon | My HOX for instance. |
| 03:55.48 | KittyPaws | cooks up cardamon a heroin shot |
| 03:55.53 | KittyPaws | injects cardamon |
| 03:56.00 | KittyPaws | Ooooooooh yeaaaaaaaah sex baby |
| 03:56.14 | nvz | o.O |
| 03:56.24 | KittyPaws | heyy nvz |
| 03:56.40 | nvz | <butthead>I see a hand in your future</butthead> |
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| 03:57.44 | ectospasm | I am trying to connect to my Debian sid workstation at work, bouncing through a shell server in between (to avoid having to connect to our VPN). I am trying "ssh userA@sysA -p $PORT ssh userB@sysB"... (sysA being the shell server and sysB being my workstation at work) |
| 03:58.09 | ectospasm | I can get the motd of sysB, but it never shows the prompt. |
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| 03:59.40 | nvz | I sympathize.. but I too run into awesome problems with ssh and never solve em :-P |
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| 04:09.20 | KittyPaws | My right leg aches |
| 04:09.21 | KittyPaws | :( |
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| 04:17.03 | ectospasm | nvz: I think I've discovered the solution: use options '-t -t' on the localhost... |
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| 04:19.00 | ectospasm | yep, that works, even from an alias! |
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| 04:19.43 | ectospasm | Now I don't have to connect to the VPN just to connect to my workstation on my desk at work. |
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| 04:30.17 | dmckell | Looking for a little help please... |
| 04:30.56 | dmckell | I'm pretty new still. But I'm running Wheezy on the raspberry pi. I want to run xchat on startup. I can't find out how. |
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| 04:50.15 | KittyPaws | Grrrr! |
| 04:50.16 | KittyPaws | :/ |
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| 04:52.49 | KittyPaws | Geez I can't play a fuckin movie |
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| 05:03.38 | nvz | dpkg, mint |
| 05:03.38 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 05:13.28 | cardamon | Anyone familiar with mtp? |
| 05:14.14 | cardamon | Having issue with a motorola xoom I picked up. |
| 05:14.37 | cardamon | Came up with http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2055563 |
| 05:14.50 | nvz | you could always put it down... then walk away.. |
| 05:15.16 | cardamon | But I'm hesitant to mess with udev when I don't understand. |
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| 05:20.23 | KittyPaws | nvz: ya no how ta auto start x after login |
| 05:20.28 | KittyPaws | sowrry i drunk |
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| 05:41.21 | apm1 | why does debian start the xsession by default on tty7 ? |
| 05:41.41 | apm1 | i do understand how but not why this design default was chosen ? |
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| 05:59.02 | nvz | apm1: generally unless told to do otherwise X always starts on the first available terminal |
| 05:59.32 | nvz | apm1: /etc/inittab is where terminals 1-6 are configured to be text so that makes 7 the next available one |
| 06:00.20 | nvz | apm1: gdm3 however has its own config file where a specific terminal can be specified I'm sure.. |
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| 06:00.56 | slixz85 | sup everybody |
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| 06:04.05 | slixz85 | i got a quick question as i have always been a single user on my pc but things have changed. now i let my nieces use it for games 4 and 8 years old the 8 year old does fine and believe it or not so does the 4 year old knows how to look up youtube videos herself! but them being kids can still mess things up and i believe i have noticed some lag in the system now. I of course can setup their own partitions to make sure everything goes perfect but I l |
| 06:04.05 | slixz85 | ike to use them myself for testing purposes/games and whatever and don't want a huge list..... |
| 06:04.53 | slixz85 | if make a new partition to start out fresh and just create multiple users, will the user accounts seperate everything themselves fine.... so no problems on other accounts, for instance i will have an account for myself,sister and nieces |
| 06:05.24 | slixz85 | in case they get to slammin on the keyboard and hittin some wierd random keys... basically so will the other accounts be fine with no changes possible to them |
| 06:05.27 | slixz85 | ? |
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| 06:05.40 | slixz85 | that was a lot to type sorry but thanks for reading |
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| 06:06.40 | nvz | slixz85: a normal user only has access to their files.. most you need to do as a sysadmin is set the homedirs 700 or rwx------ so that only the owner can access them |
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| 06:07.07 | nvz | slixz85: creating the individual users and making sure people logout and use their own user is the main concern |
| 06:07.57 | slixz85 | nvz, understood on that but my niece already can select a partition from grub out of a decent list so that should be alright |
| 06:08.27 | nvz | sounds to me like you're making totally different installs |
| 06:08.43 | slixz85 | so nvz as long as i do the 700 or rwx trick (will google) then all should be good. cause i have about 100gig of files to transfer as i never made a /home partition |
| 06:08.50 | nvz | which isn't necessary.. there is nothing a user can do to mess up the other users.. |
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| 06:08.56 | slixz85 | yes nvz i have already done diff installs |
| 06:09.05 | slixz85 | ok nvz just making sure |
| 06:09.15 | nvz | all their settings they may screw up are in their homedir, which is the only place other than /tmp a user can write to |
| 06:09.53 | slixz85 | nvz, this single user account though has something wrong with it and it is the one i use ALOT. so just wanted to make sure. so i am gonna make multiple accounts now then since it will be safe on the other accounts away from each other |
| 06:10.11 | nvz | slixz85: sounds to me like you missed a linux fundamentals lesson |
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| 06:10.34 | slixz85 | nvz, ok i see. the 4 year old at times taps a bunch of keys on the computer and whatever keybinds can screw up this is what happens i guess or something else |
| 06:10.53 | slixz85 | nvz, yes probably although like i said i have mostly always been a single user for years |
| 06:10.58 | slixz85 | so didnt need this help untilnow |
| 06:11.22 | nvz | slixz85: in your homedir which is typically /home/user are whats called dotfiles where your settngs are.. like if I open audacity and change the audio output device and it makes a loud squeal.. all I have to do is delete .audacity in my homedir and it'll be like the first time I ran the program |
| 06:11.42 | slixz85 | thank you for info nvz |
| 06:11.59 | nvz | slixz85: anything that gets screwed up is in the user's homedir and can just be deleted to reset to defaults |
| 06:12.19 | slixz85 | ok nvz i may check that out then |
| 06:12.23 | slixz85 | thanks for all the info |
| 06:12.27 | nvz | slixz85: meaning the problem is you let them use the wrong user... gotta actually remember to logout and enforce USE of different users |
| 06:12.47 | nvz | things that may help are having a screensaver that locks if you forget to logout |
| 06:12.57 | slixz85 | ok thanks man |
| 06:13.04 | nvz | often the screensaver will allow them to switch user or leave you a message if they don't know your passwrd |
| 06:13.10 | nvz | but it won't let them screw your user up |
| 06:13.20 | slixz85 | ok good tips |
| 06:13.21 | slixz85 | thank you |
| 06:13.24 | nvz | switch user will just leave all your programs running and let them login as their user |
| 06:13.26 | mvt007geek | can someone ell me if i did checksum right or wrong? http://paste.debian.net/226654/ ihave an image in Downloads/i checksumed it/ then checked the size of the image that i copied in my sd card// and chexksumed that too// |
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| 06:13.36 | mvt007geek | *tell |
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| 06:41.15 | apm1 | nvz, you told me how it is setup/implemented , which i already knew , i asked "why is it setup this way ?" there has to be a reason why debian has it , some philosophy goes behind it |
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| 06:52.09 | peterrooney | apm1: call it a historical accident. I've not seen any linux distribution that uses inittab NOT have six virtual consoles on ttys 1-6 |
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| 06:54.41 | peterrooney | ,file /etc/inittab |
| 06:54.45 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 06:55.08 | mcurran | Anyone here use Cinnamon? I want to replace cinnamon with the latest Gnome3 shell/desktop, but wasn't sure if it was worth the trouble. I'm running LMDE... |
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| 06:56.30 | mcurran | And no, I don't want to try out a distro that I'll just have to reinstall in a month, because I love customizing everything, so that it's basically my own OS... Don't mean to sound rude, it's just what I'm trying to do. |
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| 06:57.16 | ottermaton_ | CUT then mcurran |
| 06:58.41 | wols_ | mcurran: we don't suppor min, we don't support your own distro, we only support debian. and LMDE is not debian |
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| 07:09.25 | debiantoruser | Where i can found any developers who work with dpkg/apt-get/aptitude? I have great Idea for managers, adding such feature: Reinstall Fresh config files, without purge package and install it again! |
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| 07:11.49 | mcurran | Cinnamon vs. Gnome3 Shell n' Desktop. Any opinions? |
| 07:11.59 | ottermaton_ | yea debiantoruser ... I had a great idea like that myself. Somehow I failed to realize that thousands of people literally spent thousands of hours working on this system |
| 07:12.11 | ottermaton_ | but I thought I could do it better |
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| 07:13.00 | apm1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:13.12 | ottermaton_ | my name would be Jeff Hoogland, the most pompous ass to ever spin a deriv of Ubuntu |
| 07:13.37 | apm1 | ottermaton, oh the bodhi guy :) |
| 07:13.39 | mcurran | apm1, was that directed to me? |
| 07:13.53 | ottermaton_ | yea apm1 |
| 07:13.58 | ottermaton_ | I was being sarcastic |
| 07:14.00 | apm1 | mcurran, no it was meant for ottermaton |
| 07:14.09 | mcurran | U mean install fresh Debian and then install gnome3 shell for window manager? |
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| 07:14.25 | mcurran | well has anyone tried gnome 3 on debian? |
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| 07:14.38 | apm1 | on wheezy yes |
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| 07:15.22 | mcurran | it requires enabling the unstable repos and then installing it to get it to work, but wasn't sure if it was worth the effort, especially if its not much different then gnome2 |
| 07:16.49 | mcurran | yeah, how was it on wheezy? |
| 07:17.01 | apm1 | good enough |
| 07:17.18 | apm1 | its a vanila gnome 3 without any tweaks |
| 07:17.38 | apm1 | well except the joy theme |
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| 07:18.33 | apm1 | backporting a DE may be fatal |
| 07:18.35 | ottermaton_ | so ... I guess "the bodhi guy" is known around here, yes? |
| 07:19.03 | apm1 | ottermaton, i know him doesn't mean everyone does :p |
| 07:19.38 | ottermaton_ | well, you do |
| 07:19.42 | ottermaton_ | 'nuff said |
| 07:20.14 | apm1 | ottermaton, why did you mention jeff in the first place ? |
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| 07:22.14 | ottermaton_ | i was just illustrating the pompousness of some folks I guess |
| 07:22.32 | apm1 | ok |
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| 07:23.24 | ottermaton_ | apm1, I can't even begin to tell you how many times he and I went around about .deb packaging |
| 07:23.35 | apm1 | ottermaton, i don't think the debian devs have time enough to listen to us mere volunteers as they have their hands already full |
| 07:23.38 | ottermaton_ | and how he thought it was "stupid" (his words) |
| 07:23.54 | apm1 | what .deb is stupid ? |
| 07:24.16 | apm1 | that is something i heard for the first time |
| 07:24.31 | ottermaton_ | all of them, according to him |
| 07:24.44 | ottermaton_ | he thought the whole system was effed up |
| 07:24.50 | ottermaton_ | and he could do it better |
| 07:25.04 | apm1 | then why respin it |
| 07:25.08 | apm1 | just create a distro from scratch |
| 07:25.12 | ottermaton_ | he was gonna rewrite the whole thing |
| 07:25.23 | ottermaton_ | yea, that's his hubris there |
| 07:25.26 | apm1 | what stopped him then ? |
| 07:25.31 | ottermaton_ | reality? |
| 07:25.33 | ottermaton_ | haha |
| 07:26.08 | ottermaton_ | after blowing a bunch of smoke about "writing his own os" he realized it was kinda hard |
| 07:26.25 | ottermaton_ | he just went back to having an ubuntu spin |
| 07:26.52 | ottermaton_ | "kinda hard" meaning really, really, really fucking hard |
| 07:27.13 | apm1 | bodhi is a lot more abt Enlightenment than its ubuntu core |
| 07:28.12 | apm1 | he should have offered stable enlightenment setups for diff distros |
| 07:28.36 | ottermaton_ | go ahead, suggest that to him |
| 07:28.55 | ottermaton_ | I GUARANTEE you'll be met with derision |
| 07:29.01 | apm1 | why bother |
| 07:30.03 | ottermaton_ | you know, the really funny thing about the whole "I can write a better packager manager than .deb" |
| 07:30.16 | mcurran | apm1 have you ever tried Linux Mint's Debian distro? I'm running that now, and I love my compiz, so that's why I use it. I'm building my own pentesting/information security OS, and heard cinnamon was it's own implementation of gnome 3, where you can pick MATE (gnome 2 modified) or Cinnamon. I just was debating on completely removing their cinnamon stuff and installing gnome3 shell, then choose at startup which I'd like to use. What do you think |
| 07:30.17 | mcurran | . DId you get very far with the vanilla gnome 3 shell, as far as desktop and eye-candy? |
| 07:30.31 | ottermaton_ | was his whole argument was that python is slow |
| 07:30.47 | ottermaton_ | he just recently starting to learn to program |
| 07:31.12 | ottermaton_ | and he keeps saying, "My favorite language is Python." |
| 07:31.28 | ottermaton_ | well, duh, shithead, it's the ONLY language you know |
| 07:31.42 | ottermaton_ | but, you know, he's a pompous ass |
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| 07:32.04 | apm1 | i think he is making ends meet with bodhi |
| 07:32.17 | apm1 | he is a school teacher by profession iirc |
| 07:32.42 | apm1 | he thought a propoganda like bodhi will earn him some money |
| 07:33.03 | ottermaton_ | seems to be working |
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| 07:33.12 | ottermaton_ | he's got a bunch of sycophants |
| 07:33.41 | apm1 | well can't stop a man from providing for himself |
| 07:33.48 | apm1 | let him continue |
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| 08:08.26 | mcurran | right click, edit, then edit the name, I don't got time for this bologna. |
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| 09:32.05 | Kunsi | hey guys |
| 09:32.35 | Kunsi | i have a little problem with a debian server i've set up a time ago |
| 09:33.14 | Kunsi | it ran all fine, but it was shut off for the last summer (and now, half the winter), and now grub is not working anymore |
| 09:33.15 | cantido | It helps if you just ask instead of giving a story and then asking |
| 09:33.51 | Kunsi | it tells me "Alloc magic is broken at 0x1e05a3c0: 31b08fa4" |
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| 09:34.24 | Kunsi | i already tried booting with super grub2 disk (which works fine), then updating all packages and reinstalling grub - no fix |
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| 09:35.50 | Kunsi | after reinstall, it gives me "error: symbol 'grub_partition_map??i??' not found. Entering rescue mode..." |
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| 09:36.08 | cantido | Did you google any of these error messages? |
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| 09:36.59 | Kunsi | yes |
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| 09:37.35 | Kunsi | google says, i'd have to use uuid, but shouldn't grub-install do that by himself? |
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| 09:38.06 | cantido | I think update-grub checks that for you |
| 09:38.21 | cantido | But if you know you need to use uuids why didn't you do that? |
| 09:39.25 | Kunsi | i thought grub-install would be sort of intelligent and do that for me :> |
| 09:40.10 | cantido | grub install just installs grub to disk IIRC, update-grub is debian's tool that manages the configuration of grub |
| 09:40.50 | cantido | I don't understand why you didn't say "I have this problem, I googled it and I found that I need to use UUIDs.. how do I do that?" |
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| 09:42.09 | Kunsi | hm, good question |
| 09:42.19 | Kunsi | but … where is menu.lst located? |
| 09:43.01 | cantido | Do you know what version of debian this is? |
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| 09:43.35 | Kunsi | debian squeeze, kernel 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 09:45.31 | cantido | I don't think grub has menu.lst to be honest.. I stopped trying to work out how grub works when everything switched to grub2 |
| 09:45.41 | cantido | does update-grub do anything? |
| 09:45.49 | wols_ | cantido: it has a grub.cfg since grub 1.99x |
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| 09:46.14 | wols_ | and menu.lst and grub.cfg are both in /boot/grub/ |
| 09:46.25 | Kunsi | http://pastebin.com/k7HZhDQu |
| 09:46.31 | cantido | wols_: those are the generated files arent they? |
| 09:46.46 | wols_ | yes |
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| 09:46.59 | wols_ | created by update-grub, configured via /etc/default/grub |
| 09:47.15 | Kunsi | also, i don't have /boot/grub/menu.lst, only /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 09:47.23 | wols_ | yes, that's normal |
| 09:47.25 | cantido | with grub1 there was 1 main file like lilo, then it changed to loads around grub2 and I gave up messing with it |
| 09:47.35 | wols_ | and your grub has found a kernel and added it as it should |
| 09:47.47 | wols_ | there still is only a single file |
| 09:48.25 | cantido | wols_: update-grub used to just process one configuration file didn't it? now there is a bunch of snippets in /etc/grub.d/ |
| 09:48.29 | Kunsi | http://pastebin.com/txmeXXh5 <- that's /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 09:49.39 | Kunsi | haven't changed anything in these files, whatever |
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| 09:50.17 | Kunsi | but … there's a bunch of (hd0,msdos1) in this file, but there is no FAT partition on this system |
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| 09:52.28 | Kunsi | uh, may switching computers be an issue? i had two computers, but one stopped working, but i don't remember if i changed disks or not |
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| 09:52.49 | Kunsi | but computers were the same |
| 09:53.17 | cantido | Kunsi: my grub.cfg has the msdos thing too.. I don't think that has anything to do with FAT filesystems |
| 09:53.25 | Kunsi | ok |
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| 09:54.27 | cantido | Kunsi: did it work at all when you turned this machine back on for the first time? |
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| 09:54.38 | Kunsi | no |
| 09:55.18 | cantido | so it was left in a broken state? or disk fairies corrupted grub? |
| 09:55.37 | Kunsi | i remember it worked when i stopped it |
| 09:55.52 | cantido | Anyhow, I would boot up with a squeeze install disk and use it's rescue mode to re-install grub again |
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| 09:59.35 | Kunsi | grub-install (GRUB) 1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1 <- so it's GRUB2, yeah? |
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| 10:00.52 | cantido | I think only grub2 was in squeeze |
| 10:01.03 | jelly-home | ,v grub-legacy |
| 10:01.04 | judd | Package: grub-legacy on i386 -- squeeze: 0.97-64; sid: 0.97-66.1; wheezy: 0.97-66.1 |
| 10:01.07 | cantido | or grub1 is called grub-legacy |
| 10:01.10 | cantido | beat me |
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| 10:02.06 | cantido | If you get into your system using the rescue mode you can check which you have anyhow |
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| 10:02.37 | Kunsi | grub-common and grub-pc are installed |
| 10:05.29 | wols_ | Kunsi: what is the actual problem when you try to boot? |
| 10:05.46 | Kunsi | error: symbol 'grub_partition_map??i??' not found. Entering rescue mode..." |
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| 10:06.49 | wols_ | !grub reinstall |
| 10:07.32 | wols_ | dpkg: lazy git |
| 10:07.45 | wols_ | Kunsi: you booted via live cd? |
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| 10:08.38 | Kunsi | i used "super grub2 disk", then selected my installed debian squeeze |
| 10:08.45 | Kunsi | this worked. |
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| 10:09.26 | wols_ | it won't work for long |
| 10:09.48 | wols_ | your super grub won't know anything about debian kernels |
| 10:10.24 | dpkg | wols_: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 10:13.18 | Ghormoon | hi guys, any idea how to speed up proftpd? it's painfully slow ... logging in and starting transfer on local virtual debian takes about 10 times more than on remote FTP (cheap hosting) ... I must have something set up wrong :( |
| 10:14.16 | Kunsi | Ghormoon: try disabling hostname lookups |
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| 10:15.20 | Ghormoon | good idea, that may speed up login, but starting each filetransfer takes long too (diffing 10 files only by timestamp took more tah na minute) |
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| 10:16.14 | Ghormoon | well, IdentLookups is already off |
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| 10:16.27 | Kunsi | maybe yout ftp client uses multiple connections, so you have many logins before it is relly working |
| 10:17.15 | Ghormoon | I don't think so, is any way to check number of logins at current time? |
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| 10:18.34 | wols_ | Ghormoon: w |
| 10:18.47 | Kunsi | wols_: http://picpaste.de/IMG_0510-8eexK29v.jpg http://picpaste.de/IMG_0511-VtnHTrTp.jpg <- so i think it knows about my kernels |
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| 10:19.14 | Kunsi | anyways, i'll have to help my parents for a short while, i'll be back in about one hour |
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| 10:46.54 | no_gravity | Hello! I have a Debian 6 install here on a Thinkpad and I would like to switch the audio ouput from the internal speakers to an usb soundcard. Any ideas how to go about it? |
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| 10:51.12 | nkuttler | no_gravity: is the usb card recognized? |
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| 10:52.08 | no_gravity | nkuttler: looks like it is. in alsamixer i can choose it. |
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| 10:53.17 | nkuttler | no_gravity: try setting the default device through asoundrc/asound.conf |
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| 10:53.31 | nkuttler | no_gravity: or just temporary? |
| 10:54.22 | no_gravity | nkuttler: temporary |
| 10:54.41 | no_gravity | nkuttler: where is asoundrc? |
| 10:55.18 | nkuttler | no_gravity: see http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc, but that's for a permanent solution |
| 10:55.40 | no_gravity | nkuttler: any ideas for temporary? |
| 10:55.42 | nkuttler | no_gravity: try #alsa |
| 10:56.17 | no_gravity | nkuttler: ok. lets see if somebody is awake there... |
| 10:56.18 | nkuttler | alsactl might also help |
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| 10:58.59 | zecrazytux | heya |
| 10:59.45 | zecrazytux | is it possible to disable PCI power management at runtime ? best if that's a single PCI device |
| 10:59.49 | no_gravity | nkuttler: i think im giving up. |
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| 11:11.31 | floogy | Hi, did someone webdav litmus testing on nginx and lighttpd? I'm getting 53,8% success on both webservers, but nginx gets also two warnings and I'm not able to mkcol with cadaver. |
| 11:12.31 | ksuhku | zecrazytux: you mean the ones you can switch in powertop? |
| 11:13.27 | zecrazytux | ksuhku: I mean I have one PCI card that does not work properly and I was thinking about testing without |
| 11:13.32 | zecrazytux | with PM disabled* |
| 11:13.56 | zecrazytux | I'm not using powertop, the machine is a server |
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| 11:15.13 | ksuhku | zecrazytux: besides powertop you can echo on to a control file buried in /sys/bus/pci/... |
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| 11:17.19 | Kunsi | back |
| 11:17.22 | zecrazytux | ksuhku: I had found this but was not sure it disabled pm totally. Thanks for confirming ksuhku |
| 11:17.35 | Slydder | hey all. I need a way to stop brute force attacks against a pure-ftpd server. something like denyhosts would be cool. any ideas? |
| 11:18.30 | Kunsi | fail2ban, Slydder |
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| 11:19.01 | Slydder | was thinking on that. will take a look. have not used it before but have heard of it. |
| 11:20.23 | PerfDave | Slydder: You can rate-limit new connections to the ftpd using iptables; I think that's a more elegant solution than fail2ban |
| 11:20.30 | Kunsi | so, noone had any more ideas of fixing my grub problem … |
| 11:20.59 | Slydder | no iptables on this box. it's an openvz container |
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| 11:44.08 | companion | not all of my users have access to my mounted EXT4 drive under /mnt/data its mounted with the only option 'defaults' |
| 11:45.45 | wols_ | companion: ls -ld /mnt/data |
| 11:46.20 | companion | wols_, drwxrwxr-x 11 daan daan 4096 Jan 19 22:05 /mnt/data |
| 11:47.00 | wols_ | daan will be able to access it, no one else can write to it |
| 11:47.08 | companion | wols_, figured that :P |
| 11:47.14 | companion | how can I let all users rw on it? :o |
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| 11:47.27 | wols_ | depends. you could chmod 0777 the mountpoint |
| 11:47.28 | companion | chown -R root:users doesnt work tho then no one has access :( |
| 11:47.48 | k4tfish | hi, im not longer able to install hybrid-ircd via apt and have no idea why. pls see: http://pastebin.com/5zB3rMUf |
| 11:47.52 | companion | wolfffffi, isnt that in secure? |
| 11:48.00 | ChrisH | companion: are your shpuld yout users have rw or ro access? |
| 11:48.02 | companion | wols_, * isnt that insecure |
| 11:48.49 | companion | ChrisH, this is the mountpoint in FSTAB: /dev/sda1 /mnt/data ext4 defaults 0 0 |
| 11:48.55 | wols_ | do you want every user to write to it or not? if you do, you have to make it accessible |
| 11:49.15 | companion | wols_, so chmod 777 is secure enough? |
| 11:50.26 | companion | wols_, chmod was 775 tho |
| 11:51.42 | k4tfish | companion, is much more relevant how u set u/g permissons on the fs behind the mount point |
| 11:52.05 | companion | I did chmod +x on /mnt/data |
| 11:52.34 | companion | k4tfish, and I did chown -R $user:$user /mnt/data |
| 11:52.45 | ChrisH | companion: I did not ask for the fstav entry. But: Should your users read-only from the filesystem or do you want them to write onto it? |
| 11:53.16 | companion | ChrisH, k4tfish, wols_: they must all be able to read AND write on it |
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| 11:54.03 | k4tfish | then make it 777 |
| 11:54.09 | companion | k4tfish, it is now |
| 11:54.28 | ChrisH | companion: do you have your users in one sinle group? Should tha be allowed to delete someone others file? |
| 11:54.31 | companion | k4tfish, ChrisH: Should I make it chown -R root:users ? |
| 11:54.42 | k4tfish | no |
| 11:55.15 | companion | ChrisH, I am the only one using the machine, but deamons are running under different user accounts (Deluge/SABNZBD/XBMC) |
| 11:55.26 | k4tfish | I'd umount it, 777 /mnt/data and remount it |
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| 11:56.10 | ChrisH | companion: than it sounds more like 1777 is what you want. |
| 11:56.24 | ChrisH | k4tfish: why chmod while unmounted? |
| 11:56.28 | k4tfish | If the user still cannot access files under that mnt point, u have ro recheck the permissons behind the mount point |
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| 11:57.28 | k4tfish | I do it always that way when creating new mount points - but ur are right, thats actually not necessary |
| 11:57.47 | k4tfish | just take care of the -R |
| 11:58.02 | johngalt2600 | do you also have selinux installed? |
| 11:58.43 | k4tfish | hi, im not longer able to install hybrid-ircd via apt and have no idea why. pls see: http://pastebin.com/5zB3rMUf |
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| 11:59.50 | companion | hrm |
| 11:59.51 | companion | Permission denied: /mnt/data/Downloads/Torrents/Life.of.Pi.2012.DVDSCR/Life of Pi 2012 DVDSCR.m4v |
| 11:59.52 | companion | : / |
| 12:00.06 | companion | my xbmc account CAN write to it tho |
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| 12:00.10 | companion | but not my deluge account |
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| 12:00.38 | k4tfish | companion, ls -la /mnt/data/Downloads |
| 12:01.03 | johngalt2600 | companion, did you do the chmod -R 777 or without the -R |
| 12:01.16 | companion | Without the -R |
| 12:01.36 | companion | chmod 1777 /mnt/data is what I did |
| 12:01.46 | companion | drwxrwxr-x 16 daan daan 4096 Jan 19 21:12 Torrents |
| 12:01.53 | companion | should I do a -R? |
| 12:02.01 | k4tfish | no, be carefull |
| 12:02.17 | companion | alright |
| 12:02.23 | companion | dint done it yet tho D: |
| 12:02.26 | k4tfish | it will change all files to 1777 under /mnt/data |
| 12:02.37 | companion | -R = Recursive I knokw |
| 12:02.44 | k4tfish | ;) |
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| 12:03.09 | johngalt2600 | would chmod -R a+rw be more of what you're looking for then? |
| 12:03.10 | companion | I gues its a chown that I should do? |
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| 12:03.41 | companion | johngalt2600, isnt that a bit dangerous? |
| 12:04.04 | k4tfish | it depends what u want |
| 12:04.10 | wols_ | companion: you need to learn a LOT more before you can constantly say "isn't that dangerous" |
| 12:04.14 | johngalt2600 | you're the only user, this will give you and any program the ability to read/write |
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| 12:06.11 | johngalt2600 | but yeah, could also do chown -R companion:companion /mnt/data .. replace with whatever user you actually have |
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| 12:11.48 | johngalt2600 | but then if there are any programs that use any files under /mnt/data that require a certain user to be the owner of that file then it might break that program... heh |
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| 12:30.08 | dardizer | I'm on debian sid and tried to install libsdl, it failed because libjpeg-turbo8-dev couldn't install, because libjpeg-turbo8 couldn't insteall, because libjpeg8 is already installed, I can't uninstall libjpeg8 because lots of packages depend on it, here's the error: |
| 12:30.12 | dardizer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:32.16 | dardizer | I guess this is a packaging issue, it seemed to work on squeeze |
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| 12:32.24 | dardizer | since I had libsdl installed back then |
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| 12:33.23 | icedwater | Hi! Is there any way I can use putty as the SSH client for git? |
| 12:33.48 | icedwater | My openSSH 5.5 doesn't seem to be working quite right given my router settings, but putty is all right. |
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| 12:34.57 | ompaul | dardizer: I managed to install libsdl-console on sid |
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| 12:35.22 | dardizer | ompaul: well I can't try that now because I need to fix the conflict first :P |
| 12:35.36 | ompaul | dardizer: so the question is, what put that there |
| 12:36.18 | dardizer | ompaul: maybe libsdl-mixer1.2? |
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| 12:37.34 | jelly-home | dardizer: are you trying to install SDL binaries for some other distro? |
| 12:37.52 | dardizer | jelly-home: I only have the sid repos in my sources.list, so I guess no |
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| 12:38.15 | dardizer | ah wait |
| 12:38.27 | dardizer | it's related to libdirectfb-dev |
| 12:38.34 | jelly-home | !tell dardizer about bat |
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| 12:39.45 | dardizer | jelly-home: http://pastie.org/5734766 |
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| 12:40.13 | dardizer | oh wait |
| 12:40.18 | dardizer | jelly-home: I got the problem, I think |
| 12:40.20 | jelly-home | waits for the other stuff. |
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| 12:40.23 | dardizer | it's the bumblebee repos |
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| 12:40.30 | dardizer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:41.37 | dardizer | jelly-home: http://pastie.org/5734817 |
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| 12:42.02 | jelly-home | waits for the rest |
| 12:42.08 | dardizer | jelly-home: what else do you want? |
| 12:42.16 | jelly-home | "apt-cache policy" |
| 12:42.48 | dardizer | jelly-home: http://pastie.org/5734823 |
| 12:43.21 | dardizer | I'm almost 100%ly sure it's bumblebee :P |
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| 12:43.56 | jelly-home | that repo is broken |
| 12:44.17 | dardizer | jelly-home: so, what do I do? |
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| 12:44.25 | dardizer | I can remove it, but how do I do it correctly? |
| 12:45.38 | jelly-home | dardizer: remove the package that depended on libjpeg-turbo8, remove the repo, update, then /msg dpkg obsolete |
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| 12:46.04 | dardizer | jelly-home: but I mean, bumblebee also installed kernel packages and stuff |
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| 12:46.10 | dardizer | I'd have to remove all that first, right? |
| 12:46.20 | dardizer | jelly-home: also, I can't remove any packages because of the conflict |
| 12:47.02 | jelly-home | what was the exact command that triggered this error? |
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| 12:47.14 | dardizer | jelly-home: apt-get install -f |
| 12:47.23 | jelly-home | dardizer: and before that? |
| 12:48.01 | dardizer | apt-get install libsdl1.2-dev libsdl1.2debian |
| 12:48.09 | jelly-home | so remove those two. |
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| 12:48.31 | jelly-home | use dpkg. |
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| 12:48.51 | dardizer | jelly-home: well, dpkg depends on libsdl1.2 and it was already installed |
| 12:49.04 | dardizer | err |
| 12:49.06 | dardizer | *mplayer depends on |
| 12:49.15 | grafdiffuzor | pavucontrol of pulseaudio doesn't see plugged-in usb headset. how can I fix it? (headset is present on last tab 'Configuration', but I can't choose it neither for playback nor for capture on other tabs) |
| 12:49.28 | dardizer | ah I got it |
| 12:49.34 | dardizer | jelly-home: I removed the dev libraries |
| 12:49.53 | dardizer | okay, conflict resolved |
| 12:50.44 | dardizer | removing bumblebee now |
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| 12:51.14 | jelly-home | grafdiffuzor: which profile is chosen for the device on the configuration tab? It should not be "Off" |
| 12:51.24 | boudiccas | how do i convert a directory of 73 files, all text, labelled 'foo.m3u', and i want to retain the file title and its contents together. how do i do it please? |
| 12:52.12 | jelly-home | convert to what? What does "labeled" mean? |
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| 12:52.46 | boudiccas | jelly-home: convert into one big text file, and each title has spaces in it, and the suffix of m3u |
| 12:53.10 | companion | johngalt2600, k4tfish, its only used for storage btw... sorry of the late reply there was a visitor here |
| 12:53.21 | jelly-home | boudiccas: you want to concatenate the contents of all the playlists into one big playlist? |
| 12:53.49 | boudiccas | jelly-home: yes, but also including the titles of each individual file too |
| 12:54.35 | jelly-home | boudiccas: where would those filenames go, in the result? |
| 12:55.07 | boudiccas | jelly-home: title, body of file, space, title, body of file, space, etc |
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| 12:55.57 | jelly-home | boudiccas: so you want the filename to be added to the concatenated contents in a specific format. |
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| 12:56.33 | boudiccas | jelly-home: just title =foo.m3u, contents, space, etc |
| 12:56.36 | dardizer | jelly-home: works now, thank you :) |
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| 12:57.06 | dardizer | now I just need to find a new way to disable my external gpu, lol |
| 12:57.11 | jelly-home | boudiccas: make a for loop shell script over all the *.m3u, echo the filename, cat the file, echo the space, and redirect the whole loop stdout to a file |
| 12:57.30 | boudiccas | jelly-home: k, thanks |
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| 12:58.32 | jelly-home | dardizer: a bios option? |
| 12:59.02 | dardizer | jelly-home: seems like it defaults to my internal one now anyway |
| 12:59.07 | dardizer | let's just hope it stays like that |
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| 12:59.23 | dardizer | jelly-home: bios option wouldn't be so good since I have windows for gaming :P |
| 12:59.29 | dardizer | and rendering stuff |
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| 13:00.42 | jelly-home | ask the bumblebee building people fix their packaging, then |
| 13:01.55 | dardizer | lol |
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| 13:03.19 | cantido | what's funny about asking people to fix stuff? :/ |
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| 13:15.17 | jelly-home | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/libjpeg-turbo-jpeg8-ABI seems to be a requirement but as redhat has dropped it, it's anyone's guess whether libjpeg-turbo builds will ever be ABI compatible with libjpeg8 used in debian |
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| 13:29.27 | Ph03b3 | Hello, I have just installed firefox, and I'm trying to get the flash plugin to work. It works fine on my Iceweasel. How do I get firefox to use the same plugin? |
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| 13:32.49 | dolus- | Have you searched at all Ph03b3 ? |
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| 13:33.27 | fnmueller | Ph03b3: and why would you install the same software twice? anyways: good searching ! :-) |
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| 13:36.59 | Ph03b3 | Of course I searched. The mozilla support site guide does not work. I followed the instructions but firefox still asks me to install the missing plugins. |
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| 13:39.25 | Ph03b3 | I have placed the libflashplayer.so into /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins like guide suggested. |
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| 13:40.01 | dolus- | So you installed flashplugin_nonfree? |
| 13:40.14 | Ph03b3 | Yes. |
| 13:40.22 | T_oink | Ph03b3, open firefox in address bar type: about:plugins [Enter] check if flash is found. |
| 13:40.26 | Ph03b3 | It works fine with Iceweasel. |
| 13:41.06 | Ph03b3 | Flash is not found. |
| 13:41.14 | dolus- | http://deviceguru.com/adding-real-firefox-to-debian-linux/ |
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| 13:52.31 | Ph03b3 | I've followed the instructions on that page, but still no flashplayer |
| 13:52.43 | Ph03b3 | about:plugins shows no plugins found. |
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| 13:54.51 | Ph03b3 | The instructions are for firefox 3.0.5. I'm trying to install firefox 18.0.1. Could that be the cause? |
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| 14:02.01 | useless-eater | Ph03b3, To add flash, did you try aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree? |
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| 14:02.28 | useless-eater | no need to manually add files |
| 14:02.41 | Ph03b3 | useless-eater, I have already installed this package. |
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| 14:02.50 | useless-eater | Ph03b3: restart iceweasel |
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| 14:03.03 | Ph03b3 | Like I said. Iceweasel and Epiphany both are able to play flash elements |
| 14:03.16 | Ph03b3 | Just my firefox can't find the plugin. |
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| 14:12.55 | hid3 | Hello everyone. How do I make logrotate to use .bz2 or .lzma compression instead of standart .gz? |
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| 14:14.14 | sig-wall | hid3: man logrotate describes needed configuration file options |
| 14:14.29 | sig-wall | compresscmd and compressext |
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| 14:16.39 | sig-wall | but gzip is compresses much faster than bzip2 or xz/lzma |
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| 14:19.53 | engla | bzip is obsolete, since it's slow and doesn't compress better than xz |
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| 14:20.15 | Towzzer | 7zip :D |
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| 14:25.34 | sig-wall | Towzzer: xz is liblzma(7zip) code rewritten in C, and a bit faster in single-threaded mode. |
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| 14:27.57 | Towzzer | :) |
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| 14:34.30 | yeehi | I want to verify my SSD is using TRIM automatically. I don't know why I get this message: sudo hdparm --fibmap tempfile |
| 14:34.30 | yeehi | 0,18: device not found in /dev |
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| 14:41.41 | tapout | echo "test" | egrep "[A-Z]" <-- why does 'test' make it thru when looking for capitals? |
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| 14:42.31 | Akuw | hi |
| 14:42.43 | PhoenixSTF | hey guys, i've been looking on ECC, does linux has some native way of doing it's own "ECC" or is the only option hardware? |
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| 14:43.26 | Akuw | i am using Iceweasel on debian and when i enter in gmail it tell me that browser is no compatible, so i see gmail in html basic |
| 14:43.45 | Akuw | what browser is there that support gmail |
| 14:44.45 | dvs | Akuw: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 14:44.54 | Akuw | thanks |
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| 14:47.03 | isoman2kx | ! |
| 14:47.43 | darsie | PhoenixSTF: ECC in RAM, file system, data transmission, backup? |
| 14:48.10 | dvs | !!! |
| 14:48.11 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 14:48.42 | jelly-home | tapout: because your locale thinks t and T are the same as far as its collation sequence is consulted |
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| 14:49.04 | tapout | why would en_US.UTF-8 do that? seems crazy |
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| 14:49.08 | tapout | i fixed it with ... LANG=C |
| 14:49.11 | tapout | thank you |
| 14:50.06 | jelly-home | tapout: if you want to grep for uppercase, do that with egrep '[[:upper:]]' |
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| 14:50.38 | jvic | Hi, which is the parameter used in postfix to increase o decrease the time retencionn mail if an MTA is out service for more than 72 hours ? th |
| 14:50.39 | engla | hah, it's quite broken since [a-z] will grab everything in sort order in that range, you'll either be missing A or Z from the range |
| 14:50.43 | jelly-home | tapout: (it's in grep man page) |
| 14:50.53 | tapout | and that ignores the LANG? Sweet |
| 14:50.58 | tapout | not ignore it, but like, corrects it |
| 14:51.05 | jelly-home | no, it obeys it. |
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| 14:52.18 | himuraken | Howdy all! I am looking for a recommendation for a RAID controller that supports Squeeze and Wheezy. Needs to be a 4port/8087 and be fast and reliable HW controller. I am currently running a 3ware 9650SE and I cannot resolve the dreaded high IO wait issues. |
| 14:52.24 | himuraken | Thanks in advance. |
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| 14:53.23 | tapout | jelly-home, thanks man |
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| 14:54.36 | Towzzer | himuraken- 3ware patched that in a new firmware |
| 14:54.46 | Towzzer | i had the same issue |
| 14:55.11 | himuraken | How long ago? |
| 14:55.18 | himuraken | I just updated it maybe 6 weeks ago |
| 14:55.22 | himuraken | Its killing me ;-) |
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| 14:55.36 | himuraken | And I have two of them in RAID10 |
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| 14:56.12 | Towzzer | hm |
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| 14:56.53 | himuraken | Im running RAID10 with BBU and everything set to performance. Perhaps its a nfs-kernel-server issue, but my VM's will begin to crawl and the IOWAIT is through the roof. |
| 14:57.05 | jelly-home | sas or sata disks? |
| 14:57.16 | himuraken | I don't have the issue when I migrate VM's to a 2950 with 4xSATA disks on perc6 |
| 14:57.17 | himuraken | SATA |
| 14:57.23 | himuraken | jelly-home, sata |
| 14:57.24 | Towzzer | v4.10.00.027 |
| 14:57.33 | himuraken | Towzzer, thanks let me see where mine is right now. |
| 14:58.02 | Towzzer | no no. that is the latest |
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| 14:58.19 | Towzzer | it was fixed in like .26 i think |
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| 14:59.51 | himuraken | Well now things make sense..... |
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| 15:00.36 | denebeim | I have an nfs4 idmap question, any experts here? |
| 15:00.50 | himuraken | What a PITA ;-) Last time I did a check on the unit, it was clean, no issues, and that was during the last performance issue. Now, I am showing disk 0 degraded and disk1 ecc-error. |
| 15:01.00 | himuraken | Maybe it doesnt like this new Seagate 3TB drives. |
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| 17:53.15 | jhutchins | Generally we install the package with dpkg -i, leaving dependencies temporarily unresolved, then use aptitude -f install to finish the job. |
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| 17:54.32 | olivier | Hi there, I run a brand new install of wheezy on a lenovo t430u with core i5. from time to time I experienced a complete freeze that can only be solved by hard reset (pw button) |
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| 17:54.53 | solarbunny | ChrisH: I have finally found a fix (or at least a workaraound): adding 2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 console; to inittab, thanks for getting me right on track! |
| 17:55.08 | olivier | this looks like a common issue. do you know a fix for this ? |
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| 17:59.27 | noobvv | I getting DRDY and UNC errors, when i trying to boot system and when i try to mount system partiton . I need to take out important info from system. Please help |
| 17:59.44 | ChrisH | solarbunny: YW |
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| 18:00.34 | ChrisH | noobvv: mount -o ro (rea-only the partiton) or move the disk into another box. And take the important data from your backup. |
| 18:01.23 | solarbunny | noobvv: if the data is on separate partition you could boot some rescue CD with linux and copy it. If however it is not an option, you could make an image with "dd" and try to recover/mount that image. |
| 18:02.29 | noobvv | ok i try to mount it on read only mode |
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| 18:03.02 | olivier | maybe upgrading to a 3.5 kernel ? |
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| 18:04.06 | Trewas | olivier: a newer kernel than 3.2 should help with ivy bridge crashes, 3.5 works for me while 3.2 didn't |
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| 18:04.43 | olivier | Trewas, is there a 3.5 in repos ? |
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| 18:05.44 | itry | Hello! I have a problem: I have debian 6 in an encrypted partition with a LVM. So I set up a boot partition that sets up the encrypted lvm and boots it. Now I updated Ubuntu on another partition and it looks like it fucked up the system somehow. When I boot my boot partition, I end up in a shell, not in Debian. Any ideas how to go about it? |
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| 18:07.18 | boudiccas | i'm trying to get 'wheezy-multimedia' working with sources.list but its complaining because of this line 'deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-multimedia'. what should it be then please? |
| 18:08.08 | Trewas | olivier: there should be in experimental |
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| 18:09.48 | olivier | Trewas: can't find it... |
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| 18:11.29 | k4tzu | is there a command line version of www.asciitohex.com ? |
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| 18:13.12 | Trewas | olivier: 3.7 at least, maybe they have already removed 3.5 |
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| 18:14.16 | maxxe | k4tzu: 'apt-get install ascii'. the ascii utilily can convert stuff to hex |
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| 18:16.10 | k4tzu | That's it? hmm. |
| 18:16.17 | itry | What would be the standard way to repair a grub that ubuntu destroyed? |
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| 18:16.52 | ksk | itry: grub-install /dev/sdX |
| 18:16.56 | ksk | see man grub-install |
| 18:17.02 | ksk | !tell itry about grub-install |
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| 18:17.26 | ksk | hum, whatver the botmaster says^^ |
| 18:17.39 | Innocentus | I found in several provisioning scripts that ntp is disabled - why? |
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| 18:17.53 | itry | ksk: and which partition would be sdX? |
| 18:17.54 | Innocentus | Is ntp the ntp server? I mean, a ntp client can be helpful for having allways the right time on server |
| 18:17.57 | ksk | Innocentus: whats a provisioning scipt? |
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| 18:18.45 | Innocentus | doesn't really matter, take puppet for example |
| 18:19.14 | ksk | itry: not partition, just disk. if you installed grub on eg /dev/sda1 you will want to target /dev/sda |
| 18:19.15 | sirToast | Innocentus: install ntpdate if you want the clock synchronized |
| 18:19.38 | ksk | Innocentus: on a server syystem you want to have some kind of ntp deamon. |
| 18:19.52 | Innocentus | sirToast / ksk: and why is ntp disabled then? it is something different? |
| 18:19.53 | itry | ksk: ah, ok. i will give it a try from the debian boot partition. |
| 18:20.01 | ksk | ntpdate as a cli tool is useful. |
| 18:20.15 | ksk | i dont know, maybe they use som other kind of tool in that scripts? like chrony |
| 18:20.24 | maxxe | openntpd is nice. bsd version. |
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| 18:21.01 | ksk | maxxe: do you know if it binds a socket for every ip address thats up on the server? |
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| 18:21.56 | maxxe | ksk: not sure about that... |
| 18:22.19 | sirToast | Innocentus: you probably don't want an ntp server. so it's disabled |
| 18:22.44 | ksk | sirToast: why dont you want an ntp server? |
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| 18:23.25 | sirToast | Innocentus: ntpdate will synchronize the clock everytime the network goes up. does it for most I guess |
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| 18:23.40 | ksk | ah okay. |
| 18:24.18 | Guest53312 | I get on liveCD and try to mount that parition in readonly mode. But it says :mount: can't find /dev/sda5 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 18:24.28 | maxxe | it's also possible to schedule a run of ntpdate via cron |
| 18:24.34 | Guest53312 | im on liveCD now |
| 18:25.07 | sirToast | yeah if you keep the system running 24/7 that'll be necessary. |
| 18:25.21 | solarbunny | Guest53312: try: fdisk -l do you see your partitions? |
| 18:25.56 | Guest53312 | yes i see |
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| 18:26.34 | dondelelcaro | frankly, there's really no reason not to run ntpd |
| 18:26.43 | dondelelcaro | unless this is an embedded server or something |
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| 18:26.48 | solarbunny | Guest53312: you can mount it by name: example: mount -o ro /dev/sda1 /mnt |
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| 18:26.52 | ChrisH | Guest53312: You did mount -o ro /dev/sda5 /mnt ? |
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| 18:27.09 | ChrisH | I assume you only did mount /dev/sda5 |
| 18:27.13 | Guest53312 | no... ok i try |
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| 18:28.56 | bool | I would like to have a partition mounted as /var_hdd on a HDD. I then want to mount /var/log, /var/tmp and /var/cache in that partition. How would I do that? Can I do the following in fstab? /var_hdd/log /var/log ext4 defaults 0 0 ? |
| 18:30.06 | ChrisH | bool: What do you? and why? |
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| 18:31.26 | bool | ChrisH, I want to mount /var/tmp, /var/cache and /var/log on a mechanical HDD and the rest of /var to reside on my SSD. How? |
| 18:32.01 | nkuttler | bool: creat three partitions? mount bind? |
| 18:32.01 | bool | I want to place all those dirs on one partition so I dont have to figure out how much space to reserve for each |
| 18:32.13 | nkuttler | bool: mount bind |
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| 18:32.51 | Guest53312 | I mount that partinion. but i not see my system files :/ |
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| 18:33.17 | Guest53312 | i see boot folder, and system value information folder |
| 18:33.26 | Guest53312 | but not root directory... |
| 18:33.28 | ChrisH | bool: create one partion for each filesystem you need. Or use LVM to create a Volume Group and logical Volumes per filesystem. create Filesystems on tham and mount them into /var |
| 18:33.52 | ChrisH | Guest53312: well, thaen sda5 is /boot ... try another partition |
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| 18:38.17 | bool | nkuttler, so I make a partition /var_hdd and then use mount --bind to mount /var/tmp to it? |
| 18:38.56 | yeehi | where would be a friendly debian forum be? I am struggling with installation and feel my questions might be considered noob. |
| 18:39.06 | bool | ChrisH, I would prefer to have one partition so I dont need to make three oversized partitions. And I would prefer not to use lvm |
| 18:39.25 | Guest53312 | it ask me to specify filesystem name so i type : sudo mount -t ext4 -o ro /dev/sda3 /mnt2 and i get error : wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda3, |
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| 18:39.35 | nkuttler | bool: that sounds like a normal mount. did you man mount yet? |
| 18:39.59 | nkuttler | yeehi: try us |
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| 18:40.45 | PerfDave | Oh joy, now Windows isn't seeing the USB caddy with my Debian install. Was working a few hours ago... |
| 18:41.01 | itry | I have a problem: I have debian 6 in an encrypted partition with a LVM. So I set up a boot partition that sets up the encrypted lvm and boots it. Now I updated Ubuntu on another partition and it looks like it messed up the system somehow. When I boot my boot partition, I end up in a shell, not in Debian. Any ideas how to go about it? |
| 18:41.11 | bool | nkuttler, I want all three /var/tmp, /var/cache and /var/log to reside in one single partition /var_hdd (which has subdirs tmp, cache and log). that is not a normal mount I believe. |
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| 18:43.16 | Jaleks | is there a possibility to force my system using my PCI graphics card on booting? atm the PCI card is used for grub, than it switches to onboard card during startup, and then again to PCI for X. i only want to use PCI. any ideas anyone? |
| 18:43.18 | PerfDave | bool: But you don't want other subdirectories of /var to be in that other partition? |
| 18:43.28 | ChrisH | bool: you have meen toold to read man mount and search for bind |
| 18:43.37 | bool | PerfDave, no, I want them to reside on the SSD |
| 18:43.51 | nkuttler | bool: ... that's why i said mount bind |
| 18:43.54 | PerfDave | bool: So you want everythign in /var to be on a seperate device to / ? |
| 18:44.00 | bool | yes |
| 18:44.12 | PerfDave | bool: That's basically a standard mount point then. |
| 18:44.26 | nkuttler | PerfDave: no, he wants /var on two devices |
| 18:44.35 | bool | yes |
| 18:44.54 | bool | some of var on one device and the rest of var on another device |
| 18:44.56 | nkuttler | bool: mount bind mount bind mount bind |
| 18:44.57 | PerfDave | Oh, that's not what he said. |
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| 18:45.12 | bool | nkuttler, ok thanks :) i am looking into it :) |
| 18:45.16 | PerfDave | Symlink /var/whatever to /mount/otherdisk/whatever |
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| 18:45.33 | Guest53312 | how to fix bad superblock on /dev/sda3 ? |
| 18:46.09 | Guest53312 | i just want to mount that partition to read only... i need to take that info from sda.. |
| 18:47.01 | boudiccas | is this a valid repo for wheezy please? deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org wheezy main non-free |
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| 18:47.46 | PerfDave | boudiccas: It's not an official repository. I don't think that repository lives at that domain any more either. |
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| 18:48.09 | cra1g321 | boudiccas it's www.deb-multimedia.org |
| 18:48.33 | cra1g321 | deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org wheezy main non-free |
| 18:48.41 | bool | nkuttler, what actually happens when I use mount bind? will all the contents of /var/tmp be copied to the new directiory? |
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| 18:48.51 | boudiccas | PerfDave: according to the debian tracking system/database of programmes, vlc wheezy-multimedia and thats what i'm trying to get too |
| 18:49.30 | itry | So it looks like I lost my good old debian partition because ubuntu somehow destroyed it :( |
| 18:49.46 | PerfDave | boudiccas: Like I say, it's not an official Debian repository. It may contain packages designed to work on Debian, but that's not the same thing. |
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| 18:50.19 | boudiccas | PerfDave: but surely if its in the factoid here then its an official repo? |
| 18:50.26 | boudiccas | ,v vlc |
| 18:50.28 | judd | Package: vlc on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-backports: 2.0.3-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.0.3-4; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.0.3-4; sid: 2.0.5-1; sid-multimedia: 1:2.0.5-dmo1; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.5-dmo1 |
| 18:50.36 | ChrisH | Guest53312: wrong superblock is most times, an incorrect assumption on the Fileystem. Please pasetbin blkid /dev/sda? ; fdisk -l to paste.debian.net |
| 18:50.39 | PerfDave | boudiccas: Why? This isn't an official Debian channel :) |
| 18:50.55 | PerfDave | And that's not an official Debian bot :) |
| 18:51.22 | boudiccas | PerfDave: see, right at the end , wheezy-multimedia! oh, i thought 'judd' was official! you live and learn! |
| 18:51.49 | PerfDave | The software in the multimedia repo can't be distributed by the Debian project due to software patent restrictions. |
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| 18:52.48 | yeehi | nkuttler - thanks - this is what I have difficulty doing during installation of wheezy: have whole disk encryption, LVM, btrfs file system and separate / and /home partitions all at the same time. |
| 18:53.42 | Guest53312 | http://paste.debian.net/226826/ i was wrong i dont see my partition :/ |
| 18:54.32 | ChrisH | Guest53312: blkid /dev/sda? is missing |
| 18:55.29 | Mr_Queue | is http://mega.co.nz/ down already? lol |
| 18:55.48 | Mr_Queue | Or they just blocking requests from the US? |
| 18:55.56 | Guest53312 | http://paste.debian.net/226827/ ah now i see its hda5 .... |
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| 18:59.31 | Guest53312 | and i cand mount sda5 :/ |
| 18:59.31 | ChrisH | Guest53312: did you boot from an Ubunutu CD? Do you have 2 Hard Disks in your System? |
| 18:59.46 | ChrisH | yeehi: And what is your Question? |
| 19:00.11 | ChrisH | Guest53312: I cannot see anything from hda in any of your pastes |
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| 19:00.27 | Guest53312 | Yes, i boot from xubuntu cd now. I have one hard disk. |
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| 19:02.46 | ChrisH | Guest53312: You are the one with the defective Disk? |
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| 19:03.07 | yeehi | ChrisH - thanks for looking: 1) Debian says BtrFS not possible on /boot partition 2) If i select encrypt and also lvm, I don't then get an option to then set up a separate /home partition (that is clear to me) 3) If I try and do it all manually, the installer says that it cannot put grub into /target/ (something like that) and the installation won't boot. |
| 19:03.35 | Mr_Queue | Don't do btrfs on /boot, use ext2. |
| 19:03.58 | Guest53312 | I dont know. My computer laptop works just fine, but when battery charged out, i turn on my laptop again and its not loading gnome. I get dropped in busy box... |
| 19:04.08 | ChrisH | yeehi: Did you choose manual fisk setup? And put ext2-4 on /boot |
| 19:04.12 | Guest53312 | I get DRDY and UNC errors |
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| 19:05.11 | yeehi | yes, did manual, ext2 for /boot - later installer couldn't put grub-* (forgotten file name) into /target/ ChrisH |
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| 19:05.20 | sfan5 | i am trying to use an external hdd with debian whezzy, it doesn't show up in nautilus. dmesg outputs this: http://pastie.org/5737910 |
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| 19:07.06 | Mr_Queue | Is there a filesystem on it? |
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| 19:07.14 | Mr_Queue | sfan5: ^ |
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| 19:07.55 | ChrisH | Guest53312: OK. UNC https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Libata_error_messages#ATA_error_expansion are mostly defect sectors, this is equivalent to a defective disk today. Do you have another disk to copy the Data onto and continue there? Otherwise I only see the fsck option to work, |
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| 19:08.25 | sfan5 | Mr_Queue: yes, 2 one with ntfs and one with ext3 |
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| 19:09.00 | Guest53312 | no, i dont have another disk :/ |
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| 19:09.46 | Guest53312 | what todo with fsck ? |
| 19:09.59 | ChrisH | Guest53312: puh... than try once more: mount /dev/sda5 /mnt (extra no options) |
| 19:11.08 | ChrisH | Guest53312: lets postpone the fsck for a few other options. |
| 19:12.35 | Guest53312 | got the same error http://paste.debian.net/226839/ |
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| 19:13.38 | ChrisH | Guest53312: please add dmesg to paste |
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| 19:14.16 | Jaleks | is there a possibility to force my system using my PCI graphics card on booting? atm the PCI card is used for grub, than it switches to onboard card during startup, and then again to PCI for X. i only want to use PCI. any ideas anyone? |
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| 19:14.44 | ChrisH | last mount: mount -t ext4 -o ro /dev/sda5 /mnt |
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| 19:17.18 | Guest53312 | http://paste.debian.net/226840/ |
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| 19:18.30 | ChrisH | Guest53312: I need more from dmesg... But You have no extra Disk and where do you want to backup your data to? |
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| 19:22.24 | Guest53312 | http://paste.debian.net/226841/ |
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| 19:22.47 | Guest53312 | oh, sorry i have usb flash drive |
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| 19:24.44 | ChrisH | Guest53312: Line 807 shows an error loading the journal. Be prepared not to get the data from the disk. We can not try the fsck |
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| 19:26.12 | hurd | hi my pc dualboot win xp in c an 7 in d ilike install g/l in c drive and keep win 7 |
| 19:26.28 | Guest53312 | omg, so no solution for this :/ ? |
| 19:26.53 | ChrisH | fsck -t ext4 /dev/sda5 IF you are a carefull person, add a -n for the first run. This will test it once before writing to the Disk, just to get an idea what is screwed up. |
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| 19:28.41 | ChrisH | Guest53312: I checked the dmesg again and found "media error" this is normally an allmost 100% indicator for a broken disk. |
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| 19:28.55 | hurd | i install very distro in vbx anvmware |
| 19:30.13 | solarbunny | Guest53312: you may try putting your disk to plastic bag and immersing to an ice bath. This either makes it or breaks it completely... So don't take my word for it. But I once rescued my data this way. |
| 19:30.48 | Guest53312 | but my disk is working i can boot windows from it.... |
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| 19:31.26 | topolandia | ciao |
| 19:31.29 | solarbunny | Guest53312: ok, but it seems it has bad sectors in it already. |
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| 19:33.03 | Guest53312 | damn, so important data lost :/ |
| 19:33.19 | ChrisH | Guest53312: did you run the fsck -n ? |
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| 19:35.15 | Guest53312 | its all what i get http://paste.debian.net/226844/ |
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| 19:36.26 | ChrisH | Guest53312: that looks fine. re-run without -n |
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| 19:37.43 | dawud | Jaleks: have you already checked your BIOS settings? |
| 19:37.51 | Guest53312 | do i need to ignore errors ? |
| 19:38.36 | ChrisH | Guest53312: what kind of errors? are you prompted to say YES ? |
| 19:38.46 | Guest53312 | yes |
| 19:39.09 | Guest53312 | Error reading block 4758087 (Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read). Ignore error<y>? |
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| 19:39.40 | ChrisH | answer: yes if there are too many of these qeustion, CTRL-C and run fsck -y to auto-answer yes |
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| 19:41.24 | Guest53312 | its done http://paste.debian.net/226849/ |
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| 19:41.54 | ChrisH | Guest53312: try the ro mount |
| 19:42.09 | ChrisH | if it works, get the data onto your USB drive |
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| 19:44.40 | Guest53312 | wow very nice, i been mounted :) but when i trying to go to my home folder it says permision denied... |
| 19:45.09 | ChrisH | so a sudo -i and retry |
| 19:45.14 | ChrisH | do a sudo -i and retry |
| 19:45.50 | grafdiffuzor | I getting visual glitches in wheezy using xfce/fglrx. Is it some known bug? |
| 19:46.51 | Guest53312 | still the same,... |
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| 19:47.08 | Guest53312 | damn i think i thick the box to "encrypt my home folder" when instaling... but i not setup a encryption key... |
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| 19:48.44 | ChrisH | Guest53312: show me an ls -ld /mnt /mnt/* /mnt/home/* There is no encyption on the partition. Otherwise fsck would have failed. |
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| 19:50.35 | Guest53312 | http://paste.debian.net/226851/ |
| 19:51.13 | ChrisH | Guest53312: [ 3983.036956] sd 3:0:0:0: [sda] Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed <<-- that means, the disk has no spare sectors to map the broken sector onto. So last time, this disk is defective and needs to be replaced. |
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| 19:52.34 | ChrisH | Guest53312: cd /mnt2/home/qmba must work, permissions are OK. and chmod will not work. Does ls -ld /mnt2/home/qmba/* work? |
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| 19:56.01 | Guest53312 | i get this http://paste.debian.net/226853/ |
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| 19:56.49 | Guest53312 | i need to do " ecryptfs-mount-private" ? |
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| 19:58.21 | ChrisH | Guest53312: I do not know what you did setup. First I would tar /home/qmba onto my USB Disk and then second add these 2 linked files. |
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| 20:03.43 | Guest53312 | i not setup anything more ... maybe its by default on xubuntu. folder seems to be encrypted. ok i first try to tar my home folder |
| 20:04.14 | jagginess | Guest53312, wrong channel. This is #debian |
| 20:04.22 | jagginess | Guest53312, try #xubuntu. |
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| 20:05.26 | ChrisH | jagginess: I hope the system is booted from a xubuntu live CD only. Goal is to recover from HW failed disk. |
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| 20:14.25 | jagginess | I don't get it with you people. You always have to wait for a hd to fail and then you take action.. |
| 20:14.56 | jagginess | Why not use raid and that's it.. When a drive fails from a redudancy array, toss it out and replace it.. simple |
| 20:15.41 | ChrisH | RAIDs are rare in Laptops |
| 20:16.00 | ChrisH | Having a backup would help more in that case. |
| 20:16.14 | yafnick | raid is useful with laptops |
| 20:16.51 | yafnick | degraded raid + internal bitmap + incremental sync |
| 20:17.10 | yafnick | always sync before you take the laptop anywhere |
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| 20:17.57 | max999 | laptops with multiple hdd slots? never seen that :D |
| 20:18.07 | ChrisH | The only Laptop I remember with 2 Disks was an old HP Omnibook 600C with 2 times 240MB Disks! |
| 20:18.20 | yafnick | _degraded raid_ most of the time |
| 20:18.25 | yafnick | second disk is an external one |
| 20:18.36 | Innocentus | Should I generate the ssh key on server side and download to client or on client and upload to server? |
| 20:18.40 | yafnick | you can also use drbd |
| 20:19.19 | yafnick | (though booting from drbd device will not work out of the box) |
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| 20:20.48 | ChrisH | yafnick: I overlooked the degraded raid. Yep thats an option. I do sync the data only and in case of a HW Failure I will reinstall. I expect that not to take much longer. |
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| 20:21.35 | yafnick | ChrisH: how do you sync? |
| 20:21.55 | ChrisH | yafnick: data using git repos |
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| 20:22.21 | yafnick | ChrisH: ok - well using md raid bitmap you really can have a duplicate of the disk |
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| 20:24.25 | ChrisH | yafnick: additionally I run backups using BackInTime onto an external disk. And most important, I keep no important data on the Laptop only. Its on my home server and/or the office server. Both have redundant disks and backup. |
| 20:24.43 | atrapado | Innocentus, I think you should do the way you copy the public key |
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| 20:29.27 | doublehp | i am in trouble with WPA; tutos all say opposite things; some one can guide me ? |
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| 20:32.05 | tech_ | what's the issue you're having with WPA? |
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| 20:33.37 | doublehp | tech_: i don't understand where to start; soime people say i shall have a daemon, other not; and so on |
| 20:34.14 | doublehp | tech_: wpa_supplicant.conf does not exists by default; some tutos say I should stick to eth1, other say i shall ifup foobar |
| 20:36.00 | doublehp | tech_: i don't understand at all how to allow roaming, and how to handle non WPA APs ... |
| 20:36.08 | tech_ | can't help but think maybe you've got a couple of things crossed up. I've done it before. |
| 20:36.09 | ChrisH | doublehp: This sounds like you want to use Network Manager |
| 20:36.31 | doublehp | wpa_gui says it can not connect to daemon |
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| 20:36.39 | tech_ | personally, I just use wicd-curses. simplifies things so much |
| 20:37.23 | floogy | Hi, what testsuite is good foe webaplication vulnerability testing? like e.g. metasploit or w3af. I want to test a site of mine. |
| 20:37.59 | doublehp | and I want to keep manual hand over AP MAC, cause Linux classic roaming just sux |
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| 20:39.43 | doublehp | Starting Network connection manager: wicd failed! |
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| 20:43.03 | sirToast | don't you need to be member of some group to use wicd |
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| 20:43.38 | sirToast | doublehp: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 20:44.02 | Innocentus | atrapado: so generate on server and copy to client |
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| 20:45.17 | atrapado | the opposite, I think, if you plan to put the public key in the server's accepted_keys |
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| 20:47.29 | doublehp | in short, all tutos you offer me all ask to make a sticky ESSID in interfaces; they rarely allow roaming, and rarely support multiple SSID; and, they NEVER offer WEP compatibility: once WPA is enabled, it will not detect WEP networks any more. |
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| 20:49.39 | sirToast | doublehp: this tutorial tells you to remove the entry from /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:50.52 | sirToast | doublehp: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Wicd |
| 20:51.03 | doublehp | sirToast: ot does not explain how to connect to WEP |
| 20:51.32 | doublehp | wicd-curses just ... does not work. Did not detect my wifi card, and once forced manually, it crashed |
| 20:52.34 | sirToast | I stopped using WEP. and if someone uses it I'll call them names |
| 20:52.40 | sirToast | :/ |
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| 20:55.28 | hjf | I'm trying to install a program (MPLAB X) under debian wheezy 64-bit |
| 20:55.30 | doublehp | sirToast: some APs don't have WPA |
| 20:55.37 | doublehp | sirToast: some clients don't have WPA |
| 20:55.38 | hjf | the download page says it needs 32-bit compatibility libraries |
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| 20:56.08 | hjf | how do you install that on wheezy? there's no lib32-something package anymore |
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| 20:56.37 | hjf | ia32-libs that is |
| 20:57.07 | jagginess | ia32-libs is no more.. it's now multiarch.. |
| 20:57.22 | jagginess | (so it's inclusively included with wheezy) |
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| 20:57.33 | jagginess | ^ but not through ia32-libs |
| 20:57.34 | hjf | jagginess: the program i got is just a binary. i run it but it does nothing (just takes me back to the shell) |
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| 20:58.23 | jagginess | hjf, yeah.. ya gotta troubleshoot it, perhaps the makers of that app didn't update their paths for multiarch, so you might have to use LD_<> something |
| 20:58.42 | jagginess | (export <LD_LIBRARY_PATH> |
| 20:58.43 | jagginess | ) |
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| 20:59.02 | hjf | ldd MPLABX-v1.60-linux-installer.run not a dynamic executable |
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| 21:01.48 | hjf | jagginess: how can i troubleshoot it? lol, no --help, no nothing :P |
| 21:02.06 | jagginess | hjf, dunno.. but it aint my prob! :) |
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| 21:03.02 | maxxe | not mine either :) |
| 21:03.20 | jagginess | hjf, use their "commercial" support throught their forums.. http://www.microchip.com/forums/m620698.aspx |
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| 21:08.23 | jagginess | hjf, http://microchip.wikidot.com/mplab:linux64 << a quick google gave me this.. you still would have other avenues to find out about it.. (only that, from here on for "commercial" stuff you shouldn't be asking on open source channels) |
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| 21:18.20 | bennypr0fane | hello, who knows about Gnome themes? I have Gnome 3.4.2 in Wheezy. I downloaded some eycandy for my desktop from gnome-look.org and played around. I have a beautiful result now, but checkboxes, the selection dots in settings dialogues and fonts of highlighted elements are white or a very light colour on very light background, so I can barely make them out. Are these elements part of shell theme, GTk-theme, or window theme? How can I change |
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| 21:42.10 | iio7 | I have a strange problem om wheezy. When mounting an external drive via USB and copying files, suddenly in the middle of the transfer the drive gets assigned a new device number in /dev and the transfer is broken. What is causing udev to suddenly change the drive from fx. sdc to sde in the middle of a mount? And it is mounted using fstab UUID. |
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| 21:42.19 | iio7 | om = on |
| 21:43.36 | iio7 | It only happens during a transfer, not if the drive is idle. |
| 21:43.48 | Devastator | iio7 I think the driver is disconnecting and reconnecting itself |
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| 21:44.22 | iio7 | hmm, the USB driver you mean? |
| 21:44.33 | Devastator | iio7 yes |
| 21:44.45 | Devastator | check dmesg or /var/log/messages to be sure |
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| 21:45.58 | dioz | is there a way to check if my system will boot back up after a restart? |
| 21:46.12 | dioz | without actually doing it |
| 21:46.15 | dioz | incase it doesn't |
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| 21:48.23 | iio7 | Apparently I'm getting some "read errors" in messages, but this happens after the drive gets disconnected by udev http://paste.debian.net/226886/ |
| 21:48.36 | iio7 | If the drive is mounted using sata then there are no problems. |
| 21:49.32 | iio7 | Devastator, I think you're right about the driver. |
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| 21:51.54 | Devastator | iio7 is it plugged in the front usb or back? |
| 21:52.01 | iio7 | Also this also only seems to happen if files are transfered over lan (drive connected with USB on one box and another box is getting the files), not if files are transfered locally using USB. |
| 21:52.07 | iio7 | Devastator, front |
| 21:52.26 | iio7 | Devastator, does that matter? |
| 21:52.56 | Devastator | iio7 if my theory is right, it might not be receiving enough juice, so you might try plug in the back.. |
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| 21:53.48 | Devastator | iio7 some cheap cases doesn't provide good wiring for from usb ports.. |
| 21:53.56 | Devastator | s/from/front |
| 21:54.25 | tuvwx | here, iceweasel is _much_ slower than chromium. is this a common observation? (wheezy. iceweasel/experimental) |
| 21:54.32 | iio7 | Devastator, I'll try that, but I don't think thats the case because local transfer works fine. It's only if I copy files using lan (gigabit). |
| 21:56.00 | Devastator | iio7 are you transfering big files locally as well?? |
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| 21:58.47 | iio7 | Devastator, not at the same time. |
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| 22:01.46 | liefer | Im looking for a stopwatch application, where i can make the numbers take up most (or all) of the screen. I found the 'stopwatch' package in the repos, but the size of the numbers is fixed. |
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| 22:02.33 | Take | Good evening |
| 22:02.43 | liefer | Alternatively im looking for a good presentation application, that i can use with pdf slides |
| 22:03.10 | Take | I'm building an low-fat setup for zoneminder -installation and I'm a bit stuck on how I should proceed |
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| 22:03.48 | Take | Basically the host is an old workstation, stripped down to minimum and it's running an OS from CF-card trough ide-cf -adapter |
| 22:04.35 | Take | And now I'm wondering how I should build the OS |
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| 22:05.19 | Take | ext* and other normal filesystems will break, either they wear out the card or the fs corrupts due to power outage whatsoever |
| 22:05.54 | Take | I've been trying to find an tutorial where I could just drop an single .iso to the card and read the whole OS and services into RAM and just leave the cf alone after that |
| 22:06.14 | Take | But I haven't found any tutorials about that kind of installation |
| 22:06.38 | Take | There's loads of examples on PXE boot and diskless systems, which are basically what I'm after, but without the PXE -part |
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| 22:06.48 | Take | So, any ideas? |
| 22:07.36 | hjf | i'm trying to install the latest iceweasel. mozilla.debian.net says to add the repo and install -t experimental iceweasel |
| 22:07.49 | hjf | however, i get the error: |
| 22:07.50 | Take | Or any other solutions, like remounting everything read-only after boot and logs etc to ramfs? |
| 22:07.54 | hjf | iceweasel : Depends: xulrunner-18.0 (>= 18.0.1-1) but it is not going to be installed |
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| 22:44.58 | kirk1h | is there a recent vim source out there or do you guys build it? |
| 22:45.24 | kirk1h | apt-get source |
| 22:46.08 | Miesco | I have the package 'eeepc-acpi-scripts' that use acpi notifications to active the hotkeys such as play/brightness-down/toggle-touchpad. fn+f3 should toggle the touchpad but it does not, there is the correct event file in /etc/acpi/events with the correct hotkey number(00000037) but its not activating the script. Any suggestions? |
| 22:47.04 | Miesco | I have the eeepc_laptop kernel module running also |
| 22:47.37 | Miesco | Also I tried the 'action=file.sh' manually and file.sh does toggle the touchpad |
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| 22:54.59 | Trek | hi :) |
| 22:55.21 | kupo | evenin |
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| 22:56.15 | Trek | reporting not-critical bugs now that testing is in freeze it is useful or may be I should wait after the release? |
| 22:56.26 | Miesco | Okay I fixed it |
| 22:56.45 | Miesco | I just need to know how to enable an init script at startup |
| 22:56.48 | Miesco | forget |
| 22:57.11 | dvs | Trek: I'd report the bug now and let them decide if it's critical or not |
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| 22:57.42 | Trek | dvs: done, but I want to be shure to not bother developers |
| 22:58.07 | Trek | Miesco: update-rc.d do the stuff (add remove) |
| 22:58.11 | Miesco | thanks |
| 22:58.16 | JonJ | I'm trying to install Debian on a Macbook Pro using native efi and no refit. I downloaded the KDE CD today, and just tried to do an install. It fails on installing grub on the drive. Any pointers on how to fix this? |
| 22:58.17 | dvs | Trek: The worse thing that would happen is that they would ignore the bug until they had time to look at it. |
| 22:58.30 | Trek | dvs: good, thank you :) |
| 23:00.30 | Trek | another question: anyone involved in libgcrypt? why it is updated to 1.5 version (that is bugged) when no packages uses it? :) |
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| 23:04.32 | Trek | JonJ: I saw some discussion about efi boot on debian-boot list. |
| 23:05.08 | Trek | JonJ: may be that this can help you? http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2013/01/msg00008.html |
| 23:05.42 | Take | JonJ: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=81120 |
| 23:05.46 | JonJ | I'll have a look on the thread, and hoping to find some new info, thanks Trek |
| 23:06.18 | JonJ | It boots and installs just fine though, it just fails on the very last step on installing grub |
| 23:06.52 | Take | JonJ: Check the forum URL, I succeeded with those instructions on an uefi-enabled server |
| 23:07.26 | Trek | JonJ: update-grub or grub-install should make the work |
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| 23:09.19 | UukGoblin | hmm, would it be possible to reboot after hibernation, instead of shutting down? |
| 23:09.30 | JonJ | grub-installer gives me the error "cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?)" and a segfault. Hmmm, and mount doesn't show /dev as mounted, only the individial drives /dev/sda and so forth |
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| 23:10.50 | Trek | JonJ: the error given was on the installer shell? |
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| 23:10.59 | JonJ | Trek: Aye |
| 23:11.11 | JonJ | I |
| 23:11.33 | JonJ | *I was thinking maybe I could chroot into /target and do the grub install manually |
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| 23:12.54 | Trek | JonJ: yes you can, binding /dev on /target/dev; see the forum thread posted by Take |
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| 23:13.44 | tidux | how do I stop the kernel from writing to /dev/ttyX when I'm using that as an interactive console? |
| 23:15.22 | sirToast | tidux: try alt-print screen-0 |
| 23:15.28 | Trek | tidux: see the firsts lines of /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 23:16.12 | tidux | k thanks |
| 23:16.27 | sirToast | sysctl.conf will do it permanently |
| 23:16.59 | Trek | tidux: the alt-printscreen suggested by sirToast is better |
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| 23:17.56 | sirToast | tidux: alt-printscreen+num sets log level. different number, different filtering |
| 23:18.06 | tidux | fixed in sysctl.conf |
| 23:18.11 | tidux | this isn't going to be a one time situation |
| 23:18.14 | tidux | thank you kindly |
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| 23:20.35 | JonJ | Trek: Thanks a lot for the pointer, the system is booting now. I HAVE LIBERATED MY MACBOOK PRO |
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| 23:21.28 | Sicp | I get malformed expression at line 16, http://i.ole.im/exp05j |
| 23:21.33 | Sicp | this is sources.list |
| 23:21.37 | Trek | JonJ: you should thanks Take, that pointed the forum thread :) |
| 23:21.49 | Sicp | line 16 is a comment line.. |
| 23:21.56 | Take | JonJ: You're welcome ;) |
| 23:22.28 | dvs | reports the incident to Apple |
| 23:22.37 | komugi | ? |
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| 23:22.47 | sirToast | lol |
| 23:23.01 | DrakkenWarr | da fanboys are going to come and take your MBP :D |
| 23:23.06 | JonJ | Aw, dammit. Now they'll come over for re-steveification |
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| 23:24.25 | Trek | liberated hardware is always a good thing. Thanks to the nouveau drivers and debian I have a fully free system :) |
| 23:25.25 | Trek | Sicp: it seems correct to me. to find the error you should comment out all the lines and uncomment one by one |
| 23:25.38 | Take | Trek: Would vrms be proud?-) |
| 23:25.38 | Sicp | ok |
| 23:26.22 | rmbell | ive got a dedicated server with a static public ip. im running a NAT'd kernel virtual machine with a webserver that i'd like to access from my public ip. how would i go about this? |
| 23:26.25 | Trek | Take: not completly, as I haven't installed a free bios ;) |
| 23:27.00 | Sicp | Yeelong! |
| 23:27.02 | Sicp | haha |
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| 23:27.05 | Take | rmbell: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d <your public ip> -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination <your lan ip> |
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| 23:27.16 | Trek | Take: I hope to receive the grace from St.iGNUcius ;) |
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| 23:28.00 | rmbell | take: will give it a shot, thanks! |
| 23:28.21 | Take | rmbell: Should work |
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| 23:36.30 | Name141 | is 6.0.5 supported? |
| 23:36.54 | jhutchins | Name141: Why? |
| 23:37.12 | Name141 | jhutchins: because 6.0.6 never works for me. |
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| 23:37.47 | Trek | Name141: it sounds strange, so it is interesting to have more info |
| 23:37.50 | Name141 | even after fighting unetbootin, and getting it to install.. it can't find a mirror, supposedly. |
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| 23:38.41 | jhutchins | Name141: You don't need unetbootin, just aptitude. |
| 23:38.59 | Name141 | jhutchins: I don't have any CDs. |
| 23:39.07 | Name141 | (CD-R's or RW) |
| 23:39.09 | jhutchins | Name141: Souldn't need any. |
| 23:39.27 | jhutchins | Name141: What are you actually trying to do? |
| 23:39.30 | Name141 | jhutchins: it's not just going to magically jump to the other machines hard drive :/ |
| 23:39.43 | Name141 | install a linux that's stable.. |
| 23:39.51 | Trek | Name141: I always install from and harddisk partition, but anyway you can manually select mirrors editing the /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 23:39.56 | themill | Name141: why don't you create the installer using the instructions provided with the installer? |
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| 23:40.24 | Name141 | themill: which is? |
| 23:40.32 | themill | !ig |
| 23:40.33 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
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| 23:40.39 | jhutchins | Name141: How were you planning to install .5? |
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| 23:41.07 | qwebirc58755 | Hello. I want to install the absolute minimal/minimum set of packages required to run Ubuntu OR Debian. In other words, every pacakge that gets installed is absolutely necessary for the minimal Ubuntu/Debian system, and NO other packages get installed. |
| 23:41.14 | qwebirc58755 | To explain what I mean by minimal: I want an absolutely minimal installation with minimal amount of packages installed and processes running and no X11/window_manager/desktop_environment. I want to be able to install my own minimal window manager manually, for example JWM or IceWM... Given these requirements, is the Debian minimal install more minimal than Ubuntu minimal or vice versa? |
| 23:41.38 | Name141 | jhutchins: download the ISO, 'burn it to the USB flash drive' , f12 for BIOS boot menu, load it up and install... |
| 23:42.20 | themill | Name141: unetbootin is known to be flakey and not work a lot of the time. |
| 23:42.22 | jhutchins | Name141: Why would that work any differently with .5 or .6? |
| 23:43.00 | Trek | qwebirc58755: debian minimal is a minimal CD image. If you want install only needed packages you should avoid tasksel and run aptitude -R |
| 23:43.41 | jhutchins | qwebirc58755: How are we expected to know what the Ubuntu minimal installs? |
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| 23:44.05 | qwebirc58755 | Trek: by Debian minimal, which ISO image do you mean? |
| 23:44.07 | Name141 | jhutchins: So you are saying the other one is bjorked too |
| 23:44.12 | Name141 | and to give up on debian.. |
| 23:44.14 | Trek | qwebirc58755: you should also avoid packages with many dependecies. Try openbox+fbpanel+pcmanfm+gpestuff |
| 23:44.26 | jhutchins | Name141: Niether one is bjorked. Unetbootins is. |
| 23:44.36 | qwebirc58755 | jhutchins: I figured there would be some people in this channel that has experience with both Debian and Ubuntu. |
| 23:44.53 | jhutchins | (... although it did work fine for me.) |
| 23:44.58 | Take | So, no one answered my question earlier, any ideas on how to create an low-fat installation which would load itself from ide-cf -adapter and run from RAM |
| 23:45.04 | mtn | qwebirc58755: you want debian netinstall |
| 23:45.15 | Name141 | jhutchins: unetbootin has worked for everything BUT debian. |
| 23:45.19 | Trek | qwebirc58755: I sad debian minibal to say netinst :) |
| 23:45.29 | Take | So that after the system is up and running it wouldn't touch CF card until the next reboot |
| 23:45.57 | Name141 | even Knoppix which is based off of debian worked |
| 23:45.57 | Name141 | I'm guessing I could just use knoppix, and upgrade it? |
| 23:45.57 | Name141 | and it'd be 'kinda debian' ? |
| 23:46.09 | jhutchins | Name141: Nope. |
| 23:46.17 | Name141 | jhutchins *shrug* |
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| 23:46.26 | Take | Name141: Depends on your definition of 'kinda' |
| 23:46.29 | jhutchins | Name141: Seriously, try the method in the ig. |
| 23:46.33 | qwebirc58755 | mtn: By netinst, do you mean: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-i386-netinst.iso ? |
| 23:46.46 | mtn | qwebirc58755: yep |
| 23:47.16 | themill | Name141: unetbootin is known to be flakey and not work a lot of the time. |
| 23:47.36 | Name141 | jhutchins: I don't see anything that says "Hey , this is how to put the ISO on to the flash drive then make it bootable from windows" |
| 23:48.17 | qwebirc58755 | But is this Debian "netinst" installer going to install a system that will be even more minimal than the Ubuntu minimal install? |
| 23:48.23 | jhutchins | themill: Personally I suspect operator error, but the mirror thing could definitely be their fault. The one time I used it it didn't use my iso, and it didn't look like the one it downloaded was from the Debian mirror. |
| 23:48.24 | Trek | Take: probably there are some methods to do this, but have you tried to mount all read-only and mount tmpfs on /home? |
| 23:48.31 | useless-eater | Name141: you dont need unetbootin for debian i think. you could just download the usb ready image and cat or dd it in? :) |
| 23:48.39 | mtn | qwebirc58755: try it and see or do some reading |
| 23:48.47 | Take | Trek: I'm trying to decide which option I should take |
| 23:49.07 | Trek | Take: /home and /var should be on tmpfs, so you should copy all the real /var on the tmpfs |
| 23:49.09 | Take | Trek: And it's the logfiles I'm worried about, not /home, but that's irrelevant for the issue |
| 23:49.35 | qwebirc58755 | Ok, I have tried it... but I still don't know which is more minimal (I guess I have to try both to and then try to figure it out). But using the netinst, what is the difference between the regular "install" and the "expert install" mode? |
| 23:49.37 | dvs | useless-eater: the problem is that cat or dd doesn't exist in Windos |
| 23:49.37 | jhutchins | Name141: You don't see 4.3.1? |
| 23:49.54 | Trek | Take: Knoppix and others livecd used this to have a running dpkg (/var on tmpfs and copied from a real /var) |
| 23:49.58 | mtn | qwebirc58755: you need to do some reading and experimenting |
| 23:50.27 | Take | Trek: That's an one-shot system install-wise |
| 23:50.37 | Trek | qwebirc58755: I think that debian should be minimal more than ubuntu as ubuntu is derived from debian packages. |
| 23:50.55 | Take | Trek: I'm building an host for streaming camera feeds to zoneminder |
| 23:50.59 | Name141 | jhutchins: all linux commands |
| 23:51.01 | Trek | Take: you may mount /var readonly and stop syslog |
| 23:51.03 | jhutchins | Ok, 4,3,1 doesn't say how to do it from Windows. I know that's in our docs somewhere though. |
| 23:51.26 | Name141 | jhutchins: would "type iso > F:\" Sub ? |
| 23:51.26 | Trek | Take: /run must be enabled of course |
| 23:51.28 | Take | Trek: So all that host needs to do is to pull up network, start services and stay that way until power goes out |
| 23:51.30 | themill | dpkg: tell Name141 about setup.exe |
| 23:51.59 | Take | Trek: And stay that way for n+1 power outages |
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| 23:52.46 | qwebirc58755 | Ok. Using the Debian netinst, what is the difference between the regular "install" and the "expert install" mode? |
| 23:52.55 | Take | Trek: So, that's why I'm wondering if it should be an iso which is loaded to ram or an ramfs/tmpfs with r/o partitions |
| 23:53.02 | Name141 | themill: Setup would make a bootable flash drive so I can install it on the other machine? or mess with the current machine ? |
| 23:53.07 | jhutchins | Name141: My windows certification is for NT4. |
| 23:53.10 | Trek | Take: so install the system and then remount all read only |
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| 23:53.31 | dvs | qwebirc58755: more install options, manual configuration |
| 23:53.41 | themill | Name141: it's installing to the current machine |
| 23:53.43 | Trek | Take: you can stop the services that write /var or remount some directory as tmpfs (like /var/log) |
| 23:53.50 | Take | Trek: And /var/log, /var/run on tmpfs |
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| 23:54.37 | Trek | qwebirc58755: I also suggest you to change the configuration priority, letting the installer to ask you every type of question |
| 23:54.48 | Take | Well, I suppose that'll have to do, since it seems to be quite a PITA to build ie. an squashfs and try to make it work |
| 23:54.55 | Name141 | themill: yeah I don't want that |
| 23:55.08 | jhutchins | Name141: THis claims to be another image writer for Windows: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/01/mega-launch-a-fake-fbi-raid-dancing-girls-oh-and-human-rights/ |
| 23:55.15 | jhutchins | Erp, no, that's not it. |
| 23:55.23 | themill | Name141: what OS is on the machine you're planning to install on? |
| 23:55.27 | jhutchins | Name141: https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download |
| 23:55.44 | Name141 | themill: nothing now |
| 23:55.50 | qwebirc58755 | Ok. Using either the text-based (boot option "expert") or GUI (boot option "expertgui") Debian netinst, is it possible to screen-capture _every_ aspect of installation, including for example, the entire screen text of every installer screen when using the text-based installer, or a screenshot of every instaler GUI page/screen when using the GUI installer? |
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| 23:56.35 | Trek | Take: it is simpler to test a read-only installation before to make a swashfs |
| 23:56.49 | Take | Trek: And update (if that's ever needed) |
| 23:57.00 | Name141 | jhutchins: sounds like another "sandy hook" ;p |
| 23:57.05 | jhutchins | Name141: dd for WIndows: http://www.chrysocome.net/dd |
| 23:58.08 | Trek | qwebirc58755: if you make the installation via ssh you can cut and paste from the terminal, anyway the installation packages are /var/lib/dpkg/status and configurations are /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
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| 23:58.39 | jhutchins | themill: Imprefect as unetbootin is, it's the best documented method from WIndows. |
| 23:58.40 | Trek | Take: with debian wheezy it is very simple to remount / and /usr read-only |
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| 23:58.58 | themill | jhutchins: documentation isn't very useful when it doesn't work |
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| 23:59.21 | Name141 | it doesn't have an OS currenyly |
| 23:59.23 | Name141 | currently |
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| 23:59.47 | jhutchins | Name141: I don't have a windows box to test this, but supposedly there's a setup.exe on the iso. |
