| 00:00.46 | butterball | LtL: ty |
| 00:01.08 | LtL | butterball: np |
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| 00:07.23 | Devastator | I'm reading a paper about setting up dual wan links, it uses ip-up.d and ip-down.d scripts to change the route according to which link is being used, is there something similar for links that uses DHCP instead of PPPoA/PPPoE? |
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| 00:10.32 | nkuttler | Devastator: simply use post-up rules? |
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| 00:11.55 | jagginess | Devastator, dhcp doesn't maintain network links |
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| 00:12.07 | jagginess | Devastator, dhcp is a tcp/udp layer |
| 00:12.18 | jagginess | Devastator, or more technically, works in that layer |
| 00:13.01 | jagginess | Devastator, you want a lower layer below this.. probably "multilinks" stuff is what you're after.. (not multihoming, which is something else) |
| 00:13.32 | jagginess | but still i'm off what you're after.. just ditch the cheaper isp |
| 00:14.14 | gnarface | what he's trying to accomplish i believe is called "equal cost multipath routing" but i think there's probably something more fun you can do called trunking (bonding?) |
| 00:14.15 | Devastator | nkuttler it's an option |
| 00:14.57 | Devastator | jagginess I want to setup dual wan with failover, this is the paper I'm following: http://www.cyber.com.au/~twb/doc/dual-uplink.txt |
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| 00:15.21 | n-iCe | Is there an openoffice channel? Wondering how can I select all and just the text in a opt presentation, openoffice impress document, thanks. |
| 00:15.53 | Devastator | I'm not setting up it right now, just gathering needed information |
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| 00:17.33 | gnarface | also i read somewhere iproute2 has features that may make this easier |
| 00:17.43 | gnarface | dual routing tables or something? |
| 00:18.51 | jagginess | Devastator, there's must be packages to already do this ,(sort of like what "roaming" for wifi is, if one is down, another connection is picked up) |
| 00:19.28 | jagginess | Devastator, it may be helper package for ifdownup or a replacement for it |
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| 00:26.25 | Devastator | jagginess I can always ask how it's picked up |
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| 00:27.11 | bitonic | is there an easy way to try out newer kernels if I'm using testing? |
| 00:30.33 | bitonic | I seem to be affected by something similar to these: <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/993187>, <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/999910>, <http://partiallysanedeveloper.blogspot.de/2012/05/ivy-bridge-hd4000-linux-freeze.html> |
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| 00:32.04 | bitonic | for example is it fine to install the kernel from experimental? |
| 00:32.33 | nkuttler | bitonic: just try it. worst case you boot another one. |
| 00:32.53 | nkuttler | btw, system completely freezing sounds like a hardware problem to me |
| 00:33.37 | bitonic | nkuttler: I have a friend who had very similar problems with similar hardware, and as you can see from those links others had the same |
| 00:34.38 | nkuttler | bitonic: so? |
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| 00:35.40 | bitonic | nkuttler: ? so I'd tend to think that the kernel is a likely candidate |
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| 00:38.13 | bitonic | for example, is it possible to compile a kernel with the config that the packaged kernel would have? |
| 00:40.13 | nkuttler | !tell bitonic about kp |
| 00:40.31 | nkuttler | bitonic: see /boot/ for configs, and remember to build an initrd |
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| 00:41.04 | bitonic | nkuttler: thanks |
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| 00:42.22 | nkuttler | bitonic: btw, if a kernel upgrade started this, don't you still have the old kernel around? |
| 00:44.00 | bitonic | nkuttler: I have just installed debian on a new laptop. |
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| 00:50.30 | bitonic | nkuttler: so doing this is not enough: <http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en>? I haven't done this since I used gentoo. and that was a while ago :P |
| 00:51.29 | n-iCe | Is there an openoffice channel? Wondering how can I select all and just the text in a opt presentation, openoffice impress document, thanks. |
| 00:51.55 | jagginess | n-iCe, maybe libreoffice |
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| 00:58.59 | LU324 | http://pastebin.com/huTabHw5 |
| 00:59.11 | LU324 | what is that error and how do I fix it? |
| 00:59.37 | LU324 | it shows other simillar errors when I try to manually install the listed packages |
| 01:00.03 | LU324 | and running update, clean, etc. like some sites said didn't help |
| 01:01.32 | jagginess | apt-get install libavcodec-extra-53:i386 |
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| 01:01.41 | ruediger | hi |
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| 01:01.59 | jagginess | LU324, apt-get install that libavextra, then apt-get -f install |
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| 01:02.22 | jagginess | LU324, wheezy? |
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| 01:02.36 | LU324 | jagginess: yes |
| 01:03.04 | LU324 | <jagginess> apt-get install libavcodec-extra-53:i386 <- that's the command I ran and it failed |
| 01:03.09 | jagginess | LU324, can you do apt-cache policy libavcodec-extra-53 ? , i think i was getting this too sometime ago |
| 01:03.11 | bitonic | one more thing: I seem to be unable to use misc-fixed with xfce4-terminal. the font shows up (as "Fixed") but when I select it it's actually Liberation Mono |
| 01:04.02 | jagginess | LU324, you can try a dpkg remove , forceignore depends libavcodec, then try apt-get install libavcodecextra |
| 01:04.05 | LU324 | jagginess: http://pastebin.com/dxkvk9Fr |
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| 01:06.08 | LU324 | jagginess: what should I dpkg remove? also I can't find forceignore in the man page |
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| 01:07.32 | LU324 | <jagginess> LU324, apt-get install that libavextra, then apt-get -f install |
| 01:07.43 | LU324 | cold you explain, I really don't understand |
| 01:07.45 | firefux | Where should one specify modules to be loaded after boot? |
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| 01:08.35 | abrotman | firefux: /etc/modules |
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| 01:08.50 | LU324 | there's no package called libavextra, and if you mean libavcodec-extra-53:i386, that' what I can't install |
| 01:09.05 | jagginess | i was just typing similar names cuse i was lazy |
| 01:09.14 | jagginess | (see my pm) |
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| 01:10.22 | firefux | abrotman: yeah, I used that, was maybe thinking of something in /etc/modprobe.d/ because it didn't had to load at boot time but ok |
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| 01:18.26 | Enmity | I am using gnome, the only user on my laptop and my user account does not have permission to shut down. I am following this to try and fix it http://wiki.debian.org/UserShutdown but am still not sure what to do |
| 01:18.40 | abrotman | firefux: that's for options |
| 01:18.52 | abrotman | Enmity: which version of Debian? |
| 01:18.54 | jagginess | nice synonym.. firefux lol |
| 01:19.05 | Enmity | abrotman, Wheezy |
| 01:19.33 | abrotman | Enmity: wheezy? it's not you don't have permission, it's that it's diabled by default .. use epiphany, go to extensions.gnome.org .. look for the one to turn that on |
| 01:20.13 | Enmity | abrotman, k, thanks |
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| 01:26.10 | belak | Is there a channel for debian mirroring? |
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| 01:30.39 | somiaj | there is #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net -- not sure its purprose though |
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| 01:32.25 | crypticmofo | wow so many people in debian |
| 01:32.52 | crypticmofo | i want to give debian a shot right trying to figure out what you guys think or view pacman vs apt-get vs dpkg |
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| 01:33.36 | somiaj | dpkg is the low level install/remove package tool. apt (apt-get or aptitude) is a dependency resolver / internet tool to get packages to install via dpkg |
| 01:33.36 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, somiaj |
| 01:34.18 | somiaj | crypticmofo: try it. Grab the stable netinstall iso and play around. See how you like dpkg and apt as a package manager |
| 01:34.32 | crypticmofo | somiaj: i tried debian a long time ago but i was confused from apt-get update or apt-get upgrade or aptitude updade its so confusing |
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| 01:35.06 | somiaj | crypticmofo: well that is what a man page is for. Read it when you are confused. After you skim though it a few times you'll see the difference |
| 01:35.14 | crypticmofo | its like when do you use dpkg when do you use aptitude and i know apt-get installs |
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| 01:35.21 | somiaj | update means update the database of installable packages from your souces.list |
| 01:35.39 | somiaj | upgrade means upgrade to the newer packages in your database (that you update first) |
| 01:36.11 | somiaj | as I said, dpkg is a package management tool you use it on packages (.deb files) directly |
| 01:36.41 | somiaj | apt-get or aptitude (you can use either or, so say stick with aptitude for learning) is the tool that has the intelligence to get multiple packages at once and insall all the dependencies |
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| 01:37.45 | crypticmofo | aw |
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| 01:38.47 | crypticmofo | got it |
| 01:38.57 | crypticmofo | i will install debian to a virtual drive and play with apt-get and dpkg |
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| 01:40.15 | crypticmofo | somiaj: off the wall but not really curretnly my distro is archlinux .. but like i said im going to give debian a shot .. as far as configureing X wifi .. and what not are most computers compatable or does it take some time ? |
| 01:40.29 | crypticmofo | also im a guy that likes to dive in Virtualbox is a waste of time |
| 01:40.41 | crypticmofo | getting your hands dirty helps me out / im a visual person |
| 01:40.43 | cretsiah | nvz, you awake? |
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| 01:42.03 | somiaj | crypticmofo: depends on your needs. first debian doesn't include the non-free firmware in the main repo so you may have to get some non-free firmware packages (and possibaly a backported kernel) to get wifi working |
| 01:42.20 | somiaj | crypticmofo: as for xorg, depends on your graphics card and if you want to use the free or non-free drivers |
| 01:43.08 | somiaj | if your needs are simple and you have hardware with good linux support (meaning a few years or more) the defaults work fairly well |
| 01:43.11 | crypticmofo | just don't want any nightmares |
| 01:43.13 | crypticmofo | lol |
| 01:43.41 | crypticmofo | somiaj: i do ..the only thing that really out of the box can and probably won't work is my wifi card |
| 01:43.42 | somiaj | but it is easy to run into issues along the way (mostly noting 2.6.32 is a bit old of a kernel for newer laptops, so backports and non-free packages are another layer new users need to learn about |
| 01:44.21 | crypticmofo | broadcom drivers 14e4:4315 normally i need the wl module or b43-fwcutter or just the b43-legacy driver |
| 01:44.25 | somiaj | but once you know how sources.list work and about backports and non-free you can get thigsn running (if there is linux support for the most part) |
| 01:44.35 | somiaj | ,pciid 14e4:4315 |
| 01:44.36 | judd | [14e4:4315] is 'BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'ssb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4315 http://wiki.debian.org/wl and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
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| 01:45.06 | somiaj | looks like you have support in squeeze, may need non-free firmware though |
| 01:45.35 | somiaj | !tell crypticmofo -about BCM4312 |
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| 01:45.56 | somiaj | also if you look at the wiki you will see many things are well documented |
| 01:45.57 | nachos | hey |
| 01:46.23 | crypticmofo | ok cool |
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| 01:47.11 | jagginess | !wiki |
| 01:47.53 | crypticmofo | i know dpkg is a bot are there command i should learn in here so i don't have to ask all the time |
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| 01:48.28 | somiaj | crypticmofo: dpkg is more an info bot. You give it a keyword, it returns you info on that keyword. you can /msg dpkg help, and /msg dpkg search, for ways to find keywords |
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| 01:49.10 | somiaj | lots of times you can type in a package name, chipset for a piece of hardware or some other common keyword and it will give you info and point you at other <keywords> |
| 01:50.55 | crypticmofo | dpkg is sarcastic also |
| 01:50.55 | dpkg | crypticmofo: wish i knew |
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| 01:51.09 | crypticmofo | │17:50:20 dpkg | I wish you would RTFM., crypticmofo |
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| 01:51.48 | somiaj | crypticmofo: yea he has a varity of semi insulting errors meaning you don't have a valid keyword. |
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| 01:56.34 | crypticmofo | go so for a install disc i found a website http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/ |
| 01:56.41 | crypticmofo | is that a good start ? |
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| 01:56.52 | crypticmofo | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.5-amd64-standard.iso.torrent |
| 01:59.39 | abrotman | do you want a livecd or an install cd? |
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| 02:01.57 | rypervenche | In which package would the initramfs me stored? |
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| 02:03.26 | Dewi | rypervenche: it's generated. by initramfs-tools I think |
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| 02:03.52 | rypervenche | Ah, ok. Thank you.^^ |
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| 02:38.36 | lf94 | Hey guys, I'm trying to compile glibc-2.15 on my machine, but apparently the compiler is missing libunwind-support. What should I do from this point? Compile the compiler? <_> |
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| 02:38.51 | justin_ | lf94: why on earth are you trying to compile glibc? |
| 02:39.05 | abrotman | justin_: are you sure you really want to know ? |
| 02:39.16 | abrotman | lf94: are you the guy trying to run gnome3 on Squeeze? |
| 02:39.17 | justin_ | i'm afraid |
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| 02:41.42 | lf94 | abrotman: what? no, that isn't me lol. |
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| 02:42.04 | lf94 | justin_: because I need glibc-2.15 for a piece of software that came out today : ) |
| 02:42.10 | abrotman | which is? |
| 02:42.17 | lf94 | steam |
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| 02:43.16 | mmnicolas | you're one of the chosen! |
| 02:43.18 | mmnicolas | congrats |
| 02:43.29 | lf94 | er, I'm not, heh |
| 02:43.46 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:43.48 | lf94 | there are work arounds for using the client still |
| 02:43.57 | mmnicolas | ah, just preparing |
| 02:44.04 | lf94 | that too : P |
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| 02:44.32 | mmnicolas | abrotman: they sent the first wave of invitation mail for beta testing |
| 02:45.28 | lf94 | okay so i'm guessing i can't compile glibc, right? |
| 02:45.59 | lf94 | I've found a deb, but I'm not sure how to make the glibc point to it's libpthread |
| 02:46.12 | abrotman | mmnicolas: i'm aware .. thanks |
| 02:46.43 | lf94 | apparently the path names are hardcoded? |
| 02:47.47 | mmnicolas | lf94: updating this kind of software is generally a bad idea, unless your distro goes along |
| 02:47.57 | yigal | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.00 | yigal | boareceipt.png HomeToHCRCNorth.gpx meatmeinfo quotes.txt |
| 02:48.03 | yigal | yigal@ZeTov ~/Documents $ find -iname '*GonnaWaitSomeMo*' |
| 02:48.06 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:48.32 | abrotman | yigal: try again? |
| 02:48.34 | lf94 | mmnicolas: I'm not updating anything, I'm extracting the .debs to a pseudo-root directory : ) |
| 02:48.40 | lf94 | and so far that as worked |
| 02:48.53 | abrotman | !tell lf94 about chroot |
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| 02:49.07 | lf94 | but the glibc in /home/username/steam/lib/ won't point to its proper deps |
| 02:49.10 | lf94 | ah lol |
| 02:49.12 | lf94 | never thought about that |
| 02:49.41 | lf94 | not sure if that would work though abrotman since the steam binary depends on other things |
| 02:49.55 | lf94 | guess i better get copying :v |
| 02:49.58 | mmnicolas | lf94: I'm pretty sure it won't |
| 02:50.06 | abrotman | lf94: that's why it's a chroot ? |
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| 02:50.54 | lf94 | abrotman: eh, i just thought there would be a more...effortless approach. thanks though! i will go with that because i think that's the only way to go about it |
| 02:51.13 | abrotman | lf94: at least you won't mess up your main install ? |
| 02:51.16 | lf94 | because that glibc will always point to /lib/blahblah |
| 02:51.19 | abrotman | judd: versions glibc6 |
| 02:51.20 | lf94 | yea, that too |
| 02:51.20 | abrotman | judd: versions glibc |
| 02:51.21 | judd | No package named 'glibc6' was found in i386. |
| 02:51.22 | judd | No package named 'glibc' was found in i386. |
| 02:51.27 | lf94 | libc6 |
| 02:51.31 | abrotman | judd: versions libc6 |
| 02:51.32 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-35; sid: 2.13-36 |
| 02:51.38 | abrotman | oh, not even in experiemntal |
| 02:51.52 | derric | I chmodded /usr/src root:src, and made it group writable, then made <user> a member of src, athough <user> still is prevented from writing to source. |
| 02:52.02 | lf94 | how do i get out of the chroot, exit? |
| 02:52.18 | derric | BTW this is with Wheezy. |
| 02:53.16 | mmnicolas | derric: logged out and back in ? |
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| 02:56.39 | lf94 | odd, chroot command not found.... |
| 02:57.42 | mmnicolas | chrootception |
| 02:57.49 | lf94 | im a fool, nevermind lol |
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| 02:59.35 | lf94 | mmnicolas: any tips on chrooting? i don't have ls or anything. do i need to copy over the binaries and dependencies/ |
| 03:00.33 | justin_ | lf94: debootstrap wheezy, then it should run |
| 03:01.14 | lf94 | justin_, there are glibc files those that I dont want to conflict with others |
| 03:01.18 | lf94 | those/though |
| 03:01.53 | lf94 | but thanks for the tip justin_ : ) |
| 03:01.58 | lf94 | looks handy |
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| 03:03.51 | derric | mmnicolas: Doh! |
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| 03:50.01 | simonlnu | window behaviour? |
| 03:50.23 | simonlnu | yeh, last tab |
| 03:50.53 | simonlnu | window behavior [sic] >> window behavior [sic] >> advanced |
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| 03:53.36 | holycow | . |
| 03:53.38 | holycow | hi all |
| 03:53.56 | holycow | i just rebooted my testing system and now there does not seem to be any sound |
| 03:54.04 | holycow | has anyone else experienced this with latest testing? |
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| 03:55.34 | ectospasm | holycow: check the obvious first: speakers plugged in/turned on, mixers not muted... |
| 03:55.54 | holycow | yeah they were on this morning before i turned the system off and powered it on today |
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| 03:56.12 | holycow | checked alsa mixer. pavucontrol seems to think there is no sound card to control |
| 03:56.15 | holycow | but it was there this morning |
| 03:56.26 | simonlnu | check the driver's loaded properly |
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| 03:56.32 | holycow | the odd thing is the same thing happened to my testing workstation at the other location |
| 03:56.39 | holycow | after a reboot |
| 03:56.40 | abrotman | everything up to datE? |
| 03:56.41 | holycow | hmmm |
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| 03:57.10 | holycow | well, i dist upgraded a week or so ago, but did not reboot |
| 03:57.26 | simonlnu | same driver? you loaded it how, via udev or /etc/modules? |
| 03:57.27 | holycow | my thinking is that the update after the reboot changed something. no one else has this same issue i guess |
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| 03:57.55 | holycow | simonlnu: must be udev, i've never had to touch that |
| 03:57.58 | simonlnu | i only get that when the kernel doesn't play nice with my old hardware |
| 03:58.03 | holycow | let me check maybe something uninstalled that module |
| 03:58.20 | simonlnu | hasn't happened lately though |
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| 04:02.25 | holycow | okay thanks for the feedback. aplay -l cannot find the device, must be a missing module somewhere then. |
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| 04:02.28 | holycow | checking |
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| 04:16.36 | g0dfrey | how to queue tcp/udp traffic with itables? |
| 04:16.40 | g0dfrey | how to queue tcp/udp traffic with iptables? |
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| 04:17.14 | g0dfrey | if i use "iptables -A OUTPUT -j QUEUE" then only icmp packets is queued |
| 04:17.26 | Devastator | g0dfrey this question might be suitable to #netfilter |
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| 04:17.43 | g0dfrey | Devastator: thankyou |
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| 04:18.58 | g0dfrey | Devastator: I get a 404 msg with #netfilter |
| 04:19.18 | holycow | welp, somehow user was not in th eright audio groups. how strange that happened, sound was working in the morning just fine. |
| 04:19.23 | holycow | thanks for the brainstorm guys. |
| 04:20.13 | Devastator | g0dfrey it's not a website, it's a IRC channel |
| 04:21.28 | g0dfrey | Devastator: "[404] g0dfrey #Netfilter Cannot send to channel" |
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| 04:21.58 | Devastator | g0dfrey oh, you must have a registered and identified nickname to be able to talk |
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| 04:23.47 | nsadmin | holycow could you have had some terminals open this morning when it did work? or, could you have had terminals that you used later in the evening? |
| 04:24.18 | holycow | nsadmin: that is an excellent question. i most likely have, i am mostly terminal based these days. |
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| 04:25.36 | nsadmin | so it wouldn't be unusual for you to (1) reuse a term from (say) yesterday or (2) start a new term for some specific task? |
| 04:26.16 | nsadmin | all I can say, is it could have been some simple or convoluted combination of those |
| 04:26.29 | holycow | that makes the most sense indeed |
| 04:26.49 | holycow | i appreciate the insight. somethign to keep in mind i guess. |
| 04:26.49 | Devastator | g0dfrey /msg nickserv help register, if you want to change your nickname before registering, leave #netfilter, change it, register, identify it and rejoin |
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| 04:28.09 | nsadmin | perhaps that's unfortunate... what if you were to have your .bash_profile do echo "my curr groups: $(groups)" |
| 04:28.33 | nsadmin | if it makes sense to know what groups you're in |
| 04:28.56 | nsadmin | after all it may be irrelevent to what you'd be doing at that time |
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| 04:33.29 | zykotick9 | thinks "groups" is a lot simpler then "echo "my curr groups: $(groups)"" |
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| 04:35.59 | Devastator | I have backported bind9, but it generated other debs like libs etc, do I have to install them manually one by one or is there a better way? |
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| 04:48.58 | somiaj | Devastator: you can install them as dpkg -i deb1.deb deb2.deb ... |
| 04:49.12 | somiaj | Devastator: note sometimes a source package creates multiple packages, not all of which you need to install |
| 04:49.19 | wiz_ | whats default deian gui firewall or best one to manage firewall |
| 04:49.24 | wiz_ | iptables it self? |
| 04:49.34 | wiz_ | *debian |
| 04:49.47 | somiaj | wiz_: debian does not have a default firewall. By default debian has no services running and only assumes if you install a service (such as ssh or apache) you want the world to see it |
| 04:49.50 | Devastator | somiaj makes sense |
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| 04:50.21 | keyzs | somiaj what do you advice me to do? |
| 04:50.39 | somiaj | keyzs: I personally say just use iptables (it is worth learning) |
| 04:50.54 | somiaj | keyzs: but why do you want a firewall? Are you planning on running a serveice you don't want the outside world getting to? |
| 04:50.58 | keyzs | iptables -A all? |
| 04:51.07 | keyzs | my boss is bossy |
| 04:51.13 | keyzs | he said put this and that |
| 04:51.21 | somiaj | I don't have any suggestions on to a nice gui firewall |
| 04:51.35 | keyzs | i want to put firewall configured |
| 04:51.37 | somiaj | there are plenty of docs on how to use iptables |
| 04:51.43 | keyzs | but debian is not my world |
| 04:51.50 | keyzs | ok i get it |
| 04:51.54 | keyzs | this runs iptables |
| 04:51.57 | somiaj | http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
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| 04:52.03 | keyzs | i just need comand line |
| 04:52.12 | somiaj | yea iptables in some things is the lowlevel way, you can get gui front ends if you like (I know of none) |
| 04:52.43 | keyzs | i there something quicker? |
| 04:52.44 | ectospasm | for a GUI firewall configuration program, I like fwbuilder |
| 04:52.50 | keyzs | ok |
| 04:53.02 | ectospasm | it can work with iptables, pf, Cisco, etc. |
| 04:53.05 | somiaj | that link is quick and even gives you a sample firewall you can set up quickly |
| 04:53.28 | keyzs | this fwbuilder is the default one? |
| 04:54.12 | somiaj | keyzs: I have told you a few times, there is no default. The idea is if you need one pick one (debian gives you choice) |
| 04:54.39 | nsadmin | keyzs, let me see if I understand... you want some kind of router/filter, you know iptables, you're not too familiar with debian, yes so far? |
| 04:54.51 | keyzs | y |
| 04:55.04 | keyzs | i want to manage firewall, iptables |
| 04:55.20 | keyzs | best way you advice i use that one |
| 04:55.26 | keyzs | im just not familiar on debian |
| 04:55.37 | keyzs | on ubuntu i do iptables |
| 04:55.40 | nsadmin | would it make sense to use what you were using before? |
| 04:55.55 | nsadmin | that does exist already |
| 04:56.08 | ectospasm | keyzs: iptables is used on Debian, so if you're comfortable with iptables on Ubuntu, it should be similar, if not identical |
| 04:56.16 | nsadmin | you can write iptables rules and run them |
| 04:56.22 | holycow | keyzs: debian and ubuntu are essential idential minus the ugly parts |
| 04:56.28 | holycow | ugly parts in ubuntu |
| 04:56.34 | holycow | just use iptables if you like |
| 04:56.37 | somiaj | keyzs: did you look at the linke I gave you? |
| 04:56.43 | keyzs | im reading |
| 04:56.44 | somiaj | keyzs: http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 04:57.03 | nsadmin | holycow... maybe, and, this would be the exact same part if I understand what he wants correctly |
| 04:57.43 | holycow | hehe :) sorry don't mean to repeate what others have suggested already |
| 04:57.48 | cali | Is it possible to setup an ubuntu with debootsrap on debian? |
| 04:57.56 | cali | debootstrap |
| 04:58.20 | nsadmin | cali, try building their debootstrap |
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| 04:59.02 | peterrooney | cali, I bet the people in #ubuntu would know! |
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| 04:59.17 | cali | thanks guys |
| 04:59.24 | keyzs | sorry im multitasking |
| 04:59.34 | kingsley | Which package or command line utility reports the SSL fingerprint of a remote host? |
| 04:59.36 | somiaj | cali: most likely, since you can specifiy the release and mirror (but #ubuntu will know how they name things) |
| 04:59.47 | Devastator | somiaj can I dpkg -i *.deb? |
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| 05:00.11 | somiaj | Devastator: I would ls *.deb first, again make sure there is no extra debs you don't want, for example a -dev libary may not be needed |
| 05:00.25 | nsadmin | Devastator, assuming there is at least one .deb in . |
| 05:00.50 | holycow | also sometimes you can get into a dependency circle with *.deb. some packages need others installed first. |
| 05:01.21 | Devastator | somiaj there is one -dev, and I moved all .deb to one separate dir |
| 05:01.43 | somiaj | Devastator: yes you can do that, just saying if you do ls *.deb first you get the list of files the wild card matches |
| 05:01.51 | somiaj | (just good pratice to look before acthing) |
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| 05:02.24 | holycow | heed somiaj's wise words Devastator |
| 05:02.33 | Devastator | somiaj thanks for the hint |
| 05:02.39 | nsadmin | yes, that's exactly right... it could be troublesome if the .debs installed by *.deb have dependencies involved with each other |
| 05:03.26 | nsadmin | in particular sometimes one package would need another unpacked and configured before it can even be unpacked |
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| 05:06.00 | mooglenorph | Hi, is there a command line utility that tells me the length of a video in minutes? |
| 05:06.41 | nsadmin | mooglenorph, such a program would have to know the number of frames and the frame rate... then, |
| 05:06.44 | nsadmin | multiply |
| 05:07.59 | nsadmin | maybe it could keep the time in an integer number of seconds, and use date (or something like it) to make the seconds integer human readable |
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| 05:08.50 | mooglenorph | Huh. Maybe I'll try and dig around in the ffmpeg docs |
| 05:08.55 | mooglenorph | nsadmin: thanks |
| 05:09.19 | nsadmin | sure :) broad overviewwise, that could show you how to write it |
| 05:09.29 | holycow | just a random thought, mplay is a weirdass enough that it might actually return this kind of info? |
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| 05:09.36 | holycow | mplayer even |
| 05:10.06 | nsadmin | holycow, and/or one of its pieces |
| 05:10.36 | holycow | indeed! :) |
| 05:10.43 | nsadmin | both frame rate and num frames could be in the header of certain videos |
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| 05:11.15 | nsadmin | I forget if he wants to do this to a specific kind of video file format or to any format |
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| 05:11.40 | mooglenorph | Preferebly any format mplayer can play (that's the only video I watch) |
| 05:11.50 | mooglenorph | I'll try and script mplayer |
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| 05:12.02 | I_Died_Once | drive by question... when I enable a squeeze backports repo, should I *disable* the regular, default repo? or should I use both? |
| 05:12.17 | holycow | use both |
| 05:12.45 | nsadmin | duck behind a steel wall answer: no |
| 05:14.13 | nsadmin | so, no don't disable, and do use both... |
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| 05:17.51 | I_Died_Once | thanks you gentlmen |
| 05:18.04 | I_Died_Once | **Thank you, gentlemen |
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| 05:23.05 | safridzal | is that true that this 2 days there's no testing upgrade?? or it just my mirror get outdated?? |
| 05:23.44 | somiaj | it could be there are no upgrades, the freeze is on its way so you should only be getting fixes and as they smash the bugs the fixes slow down |
| 05:25.04 | safridzal | owh, ok, thanks.. |
| 05:27.05 | somiaj | note you could try another mirror (not that hard to change your sources.list and rerun apt-get update (did you run that before you tried to upgrade?) |
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| 05:27.37 | rasusto | can the program 'mail' be used for reading remote mail (gmail, yahoo, etc)? |
| 05:27.49 | somiaj | rasusto: I would suggest mutt |
| 05:28.28 | somiaj | mail is more for sending mail. |
| 05:29.03 | derric | Why did Oracle as linux distros to delete Sun Java from their repositories? |
| 05:29.16 | derric | a/as/ask/ |
| 05:29.29 | holycow | what do you mean 'their' repositories? |
| 05:29.30 | zinx | derric: because they want Oracle Java in them. |
| 05:29.32 | holycow | you mean debians repositories |
| 05:29.34 | safridzal | somiaj: well, my internet speed is really slow (~5Kbps), so i prefer asking here before do that :D but I'll try it when I got a better connection.. Thanks |
| 05:29.43 | somiaj | they don't want it distributed by third parties. Note openJDK is basically from sun/oracle now, it just sin't their branded java. |
| 05:29.59 | derric | zinx: What did Orcale buy Sun's Java or something? |
| 05:30.04 | somiaj | safridzal: yea updating the cache shouldnt' be to intrusive (so you can check if there are ugrades) |
| 05:30.12 | somiaj | Devastator: Oracle bought all of sun |
| 05:30.15 | zinx | derric: Oracle bought Sun, mostly for the patents, but they bought the whole thing |
| 05:30.19 | slidesinger | Reading sysfs docs and seeing the term kobject thrown around. Am I correct that this refers to loadable modules? |
| 05:30.26 | holycow | somiaj: is it? what do you mean by 'basically'? is it 100% compatible? |
| 05:30.53 | somiaj | holycow: there are still some compadablity issues, but yountil you test your java needs hard to say |
| 05:31.10 | holycow | huh, intersting |
| 05:31.16 | holycow | cool, thx. will do some testing. |
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| 05:31.18 | somiaj | for the most part they have been worked out |
| 05:31.24 | somiaj | but I woudln't say 100% |
| 05:31.41 | derric | zinx: I see, so plain java is ok now, and Sun Java, now know as Oracle java is a proprietary thing now? |
| 05:32.57 | somiaj | sun java was always non-free, it is just now owned by oracle which is even more strickt on distribution |
| 05:33.07 | somiaj | so we can't even distribute it via non-free anymore |
| 05:33.37 | derric | zinx: So, how do I get java on Wheezy? |
| 05:34.34 | derric | somiaj: java-common and java-package seem to be missing from apt-get for wheezy. |
| 05:34.47 | holycow | there are repos online for oracle java. |
| 05:34.57 | holycow | typically by ubuntu peopel but they seem to work. |
| 05:34.59 | crypticmofo | i've always liked the #debian channel so much support |
| 05:35.01 | crypticmofo | :D |
| 05:35.08 | crypticmofo | i will install debian thursday at work |
| 05:35.12 | crypticmofo | :D |
| 05:35.30 | slidesinger | notes that kobject docs refer to kobjects as: A kobject is an object of type struct kobject. |
| 05:35.40 | holycow | it got awesome after ubuntu started up. #ubuntu sucked away all the whiners. and then these guys kicked out the mean users, so its a really fantastic channel. |
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| 05:35.42 | somiaj | derric: look at the openjdk packages |
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| 05:36.57 | somiaj | derric: I'm unsure on the idea of how to deal with oracle java, but first try openJDK, it may work for you |
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| 05:37.37 | somiaj | also looks like java-package is in wheezy, you just need the 'contrib' repo |
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| 05:54.43 | awc737 | why does linux always make duplicate.file~ |
| 05:55.18 | derric | I'm surprised Oracle is big enough to buy Sun. Maybe Sun just declined over the years. |
| 05:55.28 | zinx | both declined |
| 05:55.43 | derric | So, the question then is OpenJava vs OracleJava. |
| 05:55.51 | zinx | Oracle got money from lawsuiting for various companies |
| 05:55.57 | holycow | oracle is entrenched in most of the big corporations |
| 05:56.17 | holycow | they effectively have perpetual cashflow for at least one more generation of system admins |
| 05:56.22 | holycow | so another 30 years or so |
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| 05:56.31 | holycow | they are big and not going anywhere, like cobol |
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| 05:57.26 | derric | Well, I'm of the mind to go with OpenJava unless there's a compelling reason to do otherwise. |
| 05:57.56 | holycow | derric: i have always been perplexed by questions about what to try. its free, play!!! |
| 05:57.59 | holycow | :) |
| 05:58.17 | holycow | unless you have a big support contract, you ain't got nuthin to loose :) |
| 05:59.21 | derric | Well, what usually happens with a take over like that is, the project leaders get replaced, changes get implemented, then there's a mess of problems until things resettle. |
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| 06:36.41 | somiaj | derric: in recent years openJDK has worked just fine for me and all the java apps I have used (I even use it for minecraft) |
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| 06:39.09 | Chief | Hello where i can find download debian and install in windows? |
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| 06:47.44 | Chief | ? |
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| 06:57.12 | gnarface | Chief: you could try goodbye-windows.com but its not supported here. most people use one of these: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
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| 07:07.01 | gnarface | alright serious time |
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| 07:08.13 | gnarface | steam linux beta is hitting the pavement and i'm trying to decide how to properly sandbox it without causing performance issues (particularly with my nvidia drivers) so i suspect that means stuff like xen/vserver guests are right out. should i just chroot and call it good or should i get full on paranoid and go for harddrive bay swapping? |
| 07:08.35 | gnarface | am i wrong about xen's gaming performance? |
| 07:09.20 | gnarface | i considered giving it its own user but thats weak cause everything will probably run suid root anyway and the nvidia drivers are basically a rootkit |
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| 07:10.05 | Siphonblast | I shudder to remember that su access Nvidia exploit... |
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| 07:11.10 | gnarface | so... anyone got any advice for quarantining 3d gaming engine on linux safely and with minimal performance impact or should i just buy a second harddrive and keep a separate install for shady beta shit from valve? |
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| 07:12.22 | gnarface | Siphonblast: upgrade to at least 295.xx if you haven't. there's another huge one that involves the ability to use basic vga features to read your password dialogues from in-game |
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| 07:14.09 | gnarface | Siphonblast: (the actual password from the memory block not the ***** stuff you see on screen, but it can see all that too. got your online baking window open on the second desktop? the guy you downloaded that sweet new l4d2 map you are playing can see it too) |
| 07:14.23 | gnarface | s/banking/baking |
| 07:14.31 | gnarface | er, i meant the other way around |
| 07:14.34 | gnarface | anyway |
| 07:14.48 | gnarface | i suspect this is a pipe dream due to the way nvidia's DMA works |
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| 07:19.21 | somiaj | why do you want to quarantine your 3d gaming? are you planning on using wine? |
| 07:19.25 | somiaj | or just linux native games |
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| 07:20.09 | odin_ | does the wheezy netinst installer work ? WARNING **: no packages matching running kernel 3.2.0-3-486 in archive |
| 07:21.11 | somiaj | it should, but it still a testing installer so you can get a bad day/image |
| 07:22.52 | odin_ | how might the issue be debugged? |
| 07:23.24 | odin_ | main-menu[266]: (process:1055): wget: server returned error: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found ... no idea what URL |
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| 07:26.25 | odin_ | ok Packages.gz has efi-modules-3.2.0-4-486-di and such |
| 07:27.03 | odin_ | uname -a => 3.2.0-3-486 |
| 07:27.20 | Takis_GR | how can check what vga driver using my debian?? |
| 07:27.24 | somiaj | are you wanting to test the installer or install wheezy? |
| 07:27.44 | odin_ | both? install wheezy mainly |
| 07:27.47 | somiaj | Takis_GR: if you mean by X, I would suggest looking though /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 07:28.03 | somiaj | Takis_GR: xvinfo, glxinfo, are sometimes useful |
| 07:28.16 | odin_ | checking my netboot/** download is not simply out of date |
| 07:28.45 | somiaj | odin_: grab the stable netinstaller. Install a stable base system (don't install any packages with tasksel). Upgrade to wheezy, install the rest of the packages is my usggested way to install wheezy |
| 07:31.14 | odin_ | everything is 3.2.0-3 on mirror and I need 3.2.0-4, so it is not that I am out of date, it is the download out of sync |
| 07:31.24 | odin_ | is the stable debian 6.x ? |
| 07:31.59 | iDrac | yes |
| 07:32.02 | iDrac | 6.0.6 |
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| 07:33.12 | gnarface | somiaj: because (dunno if you heard this but i mentioned it right at the start of my question) the steam client is out in beta for *LINUX* |
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| 07:33.49 | gnarface | somiaj: so, no, not wine, but the same games. somehow i think it will actually be far less secure. |
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| 07:35.47 | gnarface | also, a bad day with the steam client can mean a fully hosed filesystem |
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| 07:36.14 | gnarface | and this would be their FIRST attempt to port to linux |
| 07:36.17 | ectospasm | does Steam require root priv? |
| 07:36.57 | gnarface | ectospasm: no, but X and the nvidia drivers effectively do |
| 07:37.37 | ectospasm | yeah, but then if it locks up, that's a problem in the X server or the nvidia drivers, not Steam |
| 07:38.00 | gnarface | ectospasm: the problem is it has a long history of trivially exploitable permission escalation vulnerablities |
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| 07:38.50 | gnarface | ectospasm: its not like we're talking running a fully patched version of ioquake3 here. this is *VALVE* |
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| 07:41.37 | ectospasm | gnarface: I don't know. I have only seen Half Life once or twice (-; |
| 07:41.53 | ectospasm | played Left4Dead a handful of times |
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| 08:00.25 | Armand | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.26 | Armand | Mem: 774188 757168 17020 0 18512 383864 |
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| 08:00.58 | Armand | I've only just booted, and this is a recurring issue.. 'free' tells me my RAM is next to full, but other tools say otherwise. -_- |
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| 08:01.20 | AimHere | Linux tries to use up all it's memory with caching |
| 08:02.01 | Armand | System Monitor on KDE tells me I'm only using ~350MB. |
| 08:02.14 | AimHere | There's no point in having memory completely free, so it tries to fill it up with something that might be useful in the future |
| 08:02.32 | Armand | My point is.. it looks like 'free' is lying. :( |
| 08:02.37 | ectospasm | Armand: subtract cached from used |
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| 08:02.41 | AimHere | If it's actually necessary for the programs you're trying to run right now, the memory gets requisitioned |
| 08:02.55 | Armand | Even after countless reboots? |
| 08:03.06 | STMelon_ | you can also check your memory in terminal by typing free -m |
| 08:03.08 | ectospasm | rebooting should have no effect |
| 08:03.21 | AimHere | It's not a problem that you want to go away, it's a useful feature |
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| 08:03.36 | Armand | STMelon_, that's what I am doing. |
| 08:03.46 | ectospasm | makes running your system faster, because oft-used items are cached in memory |
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| 08:04.10 | STMelon_ | http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
| 08:04.11 | Armand | Ok.. considering I'm having a problem with swap.. I should ignore it? |
| 08:04.38 | ectospasm | Armand: problem... how? |
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| 08:05.22 | Armand | I'm using a CF card for the OS, so I put a swap partition on an external drive... it won't auto, I have to "swapon -a" to activate it. |
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| 08:07.43 | Armand | Thanks, STMelon_.. that makes a bit more sense now. :) |
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| 08:08.12 | Isfirs_92 | hey. ive a my script in /etc/init.d as name tomcat (no .sh at the end, hope it doesnt matter) and by running that script by sh /etc/init.d/tomcat start it does nothing. the path to the startup script is correct, do i need the fileextension? |
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| 08:08.38 | STMelon_ | shrugs np |
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| 08:10.42 | gnarface | Isfirs_92: how sure are you that it did nothing? just because you didn't see anything returned to you on the command line via stdout/sterr doesn't mean it did nothing. |
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| 08:14.37 | Isfirs_92 | gnarface i know bcs the process still isnt lilsted after using the command |
| 08:14.45 | Isfirs_92 | so the server hadnt start |
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| 08:15.26 | gnarface | Isfirs_92: well you should probably check the logs to find out why then |
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| 08:16.24 | gnarface | Isfirs_92: for the sake of conversation i'm simply going to ignore the possibility that the problem is with the script itself and not even ask where you got it |
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| 08:17.31 | Isfirs_92 | im sorry, but *nix systems r still abit mysterious for me :/ my job is to make a debian VM with tomcat, not more.. i just found out debian is not like ubuntu :/ |
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| 08:18.20 | gnarface | Isfirs_92: its a common misperception popularized by ubuntu maintainers/supporters who probably themselves are under the same illusion |
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| 08:18.52 | Isfirs_92 | kk |
| 08:19.24 | Armand | Pardon the pun, but it seems Ubuntu is a very twisted fork to Debian's very usable spoon. :P |
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| 08:19.50 | gnarface | debian is a spork |
| 08:20.14 | taruti | I'm considering whether to move some clients from Ubuntu to Debian or Fedora. |
| 08:20.16 | Armand | :) |
| 08:20.56 | ectospasm | Debian and Ubuntu are only alike in their use of apt/dpkg as their main package management suite |
| 08:21.05 | Armand | For the most part, Debian will be more stable over Fedora.. |
| 08:21.09 | gnarface | yea but even ubuntu's apt implementation is forked |
| 08:21.29 | ectospasm | ...when I switched from Ubuntu, I was already used to using aptitude |
| 08:21.38 | ectospasm | ...certain nuances took getting used to |
| 08:21.56 | ectospasm | ...like the differences between stable, testing, and unstable |
| 08:22.32 | jagginess | quite an attitude with aptitude, relax |
| 08:22.52 | taruti | Armand: but for things like usb3 support etc probably testing would be needed thus about the same amount of stability. |
| 08:23.16 | Armand | I find I frequently want to stab Synaptic.. I don't often prefer a CLI over a GUI program. |
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| 08:24.21 | taruti | apt-get+apt-cache just works :) |
| 08:24.26 | Armand | yeah |
| 08:24.41 | gnarface | eh, yea synaptic and network-manager are such important critical functional components for new users coming from a windows environment (where its considered uncivilized to read or edit text) that you'd think they wouldn't suck so god damned much |
| 08:24.58 | gnarface | but alas they do suck |
| 08:25.05 | gnarface | they suck badly and loudly and in public |
| 08:25.31 | gnarface | clearly created by people whose itch to scratch was that they thought the command-line was too hard for new users but never actually figured it out |
| 08:25.52 | _geo | .. |
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| 08:27.16 | ectospasm | I haven't had much problem with nm, but then again it just works for me |
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| 08:27.18 | Pendrix | hello |
| 08:27.26 | ectospasm | o/ |
| 08:27.37 | Pendrix | which managment panel for server administration u want to advise me? |
| 08:27.47 | ectospasm | none |
| 08:27.50 | Pendrix | :( |
| 08:27.52 | Pendrix | :D |
| 08:27.57 | Pendrix | i want eyecandy :< |
| 08:28.01 | ectospasm | CLI should be good enough |
| 08:28.05 | Pendrix | i do whole stuff via ssh |
| 08:28.15 | Pendrix | but i want to test some "GUIed" one |
| 08:28.32 | Armand | <3 ssh |
| 08:28.37 | ectospasm | why? Why be constrained by a GUI when you have all the power and flexibility of your favorite shell? |
| 08:28.39 | Pendrix | how about webmin? |
| 08:28.48 | gnarface | hmm. |
| 08:28.49 | gnarface | !webmin |
| 08:28.49 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 08:28.54 | Pendrix | :D |
| 08:28.59 | ectospasm | I have no experience with any GUI admin tool |
| 08:29.15 | ectospasm | 'cept for maybe the Switchvox GUI (at work) |
| 08:29.30 | gnarface | Pendrix: i recommend you ask the bot about free whcp |
| 08:29.58 | gnarface | Pendrix: cpanel and plesk both also blow, btw. |
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| 08:30.51 | ectospasm | all of them are designed for folks who cannot (will not) learn the CLI methods... |
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| 08:31.07 | ectospasm | ...most complain they haven't the time or inclination |
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| 08:31.21 | gnarface | well the par t about them being designed/built FOR those type of people wouldn't be such a bad thing if they weren't also designed/built BY those type of people |
| 08:31.38 | gnarface | once i was a software developer |
| 08:31.47 | gnarface | once, i was human. |
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| 08:32.30 | gnarface | then that garbage devalued the entire market |
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| 08:32.42 | gnarface | some people blame the economic collapse on war but i blame it on motherfucking cpanel |
| 08:33.25 | Pendrix | ok i see |
| 08:33.31 | Pendrix | so i just screw gui |
| 08:33.40 | Pendrix | gotta learn more via shell ;) |
| 08:33.56 | ectospasm | there ya go |
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| 08:34.10 | Pendrix | but will install webim jsut to check what is it ;) |
| 08:34.29 | ectospasm | beware of configuring a production system with that swill |
| 08:34.50 | gnarface | Pendrix: the common misperception is that it will take longer, but once you account for lost time breaking shit its reasonably easy to actually save a lot of time just by sticking to the command-line. the trick though is that you can also waste just as much time if you don't find the right documentation and read it |
| 08:35.05 | Pendrix | i got dedicated serv |
| 08:35.10 | Pendrix | so im totally free :D |
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| 08:35.39 | gnarface | Pendrix: what he's saying is be aware that if it breaks you'll likely have to do a complete reinstall of the whole system |
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| 08:36.19 | gnarface | Pendrix: that's a standard solution in the windows world but in Linux software that can't be safely uninstalled or that corrupts the installation during basic usage is considered very low quality |
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| 09:00.15 | Stummi | hi. Is there any "ETA" for the release yet? |
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| 09:00.31 | gnarface | !wwwr |
| 09:00.31 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. Wheezy was frozen on June 30th, 2012 -- ask me about <freeze>. If you'd like wheezy to release sooner rather than later, perhaps you could help squash some <rc bugs>! |
| 09:01.28 | Stummi | can i find anywhere how long the last freezes were? Just for personal interrest and comparison :) |
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| 09:01.45 | Stummi | thinks, the freezes gets longer and longer with every release |
| 09:01.51 | gnarface | uh |
| 09:02.07 | gnarface | i'm sure there is a list of dates somewhere... |
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| 09:02.13 | gnarface | i just don't know where off the top of my head |
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| 09:02.36 | gnarface | i think the last release was actually out in record time |
| 09:02.43 | gnarface | i could have dreamed that though |
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| 09:03.19 | gnarface | multiarch is a fucking fiasco mostly due to uncooperative 3rd party driver vendors like Nvidia, so i expect wheezy to take a bit longer than usual |
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| 09:04.07 | Stummi | so, lets say ... mid to end 2013 ... could be realistic? |
| 09:04.37 | gnarface | yea i'd say anywhere between 6 and 18 months from the freeze is realistic |
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| 09:05.22 | gnarface | but if its important for you to know its probably a good idea to take a look at the rc bugs that are currently holding it up and check the progress that's been made on that list |
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| 09:09.19 | ultrav1olet | How can I compile an application against libssl1.0.0 in Debian? |
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| 09:09.41 | ultrav1olet | about my problem - I have to make curl use libssl1.0.0 |
| 09:09.59 | ultrav1olet | by default it's compiled against libssl0.9.8 |
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| 09:10.19 | ultrav1olet | I cannot upgrade curl to unstable/testing since many other packages depend on it |
| 09:10.41 | gnarface | ultrav1olet: you could try backporting libssl1 |
| 09:11.00 | ultrav1olet | libssl1.0.0 is already installed |
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| 09:11.22 | gnarface | oh |
| 09:11.25 | gnarface | well lucky you |
| 09:11.25 | nsadmin | ultrav1olet, do you have that lib installed now? |
| 09:11.37 | ultrav1olet | albeit under /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu |
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| 09:11.54 | ultrav1olet | I also don't understand why |
| 09:11.56 | gnarface | looks normal... |
| 09:12.11 | ultrav1olet | as openssl0.8.8 is installed under /usr/lib |
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| 09:12.46 | ultrav1olet | anyways, back to my question - How can I compile an application against libssl1.0.0 in Debian? |
| 09:13.25 | gnarface | with an option passed to the ./configure script of whatever you're trying to compile? keep in mind that if the software you're trying to compile doesn't provide specific instructions on how to do this it probably won't actually work... |
| 09:14.19 | ultrav1olet | there's no libssl1.0.0-dev package in debian either :(((((( |
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| 09:14.49 | gnarface | libssl-dev, libsslcommon2-dev |
| 09:14.58 | ultrav1olet | and I'm not so sure ssl0.9.8 headers can be used with ssl1.0.0 |
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| 09:15.30 | gnarface | ultrav1olet: i'm not so sure that someone not so sure of that should even be trying to do whatever it is you're trying to do... |
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| 09:15.53 | ultrav1olet | gnarface: `apt-cache search libssl` doesn't show anything relevant |
| 09:16.02 | gnarface | ultrav1olet: try apt-cache search ^libssl |
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| 09:17.06 | ultrav1olet | found them, I wasn't attentive enough |
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| 09:17.16 | gnarface | oh good |
| 09:17.22 | ultrav1olet | anyways, where can I fetch libssl1.0.0-dev? |
| 09:17.43 | ultrav1olet | what's the point of having libssl1.0.0 if you cannot compile anything against it? |
| 09:17.58 | ultrav1olet | debian makes me feel insane :( |
| 09:18.02 | gnarface | i'm pretty sure you're making some basic error in judgement |
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| 09:18.31 | gnarface | the common error in judgement is "ubuntu is just like debian right? why can't i find this [ubuntu package name and version] in debian?" |
| 09:18.36 | ultrav1olet | I'm sure I want to do something debian has no means to do normally |
| 09:18.51 | ultrav1olet | like compile an app against libssl1.0.0 |
| 09:19.03 | ultrav1olet | I don't use Ubuntu |
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| 09:29.48 | simonlnu | um, gnarface told you it isn't "libssl1.0.0-dev" but libssl-dev |
| 09:30.09 | simonlnu | there's a good reason for that, too. |
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| 09:30.44 | simonlnu | package names and versions have specific policy requirements |
| 09:30.50 | Agiofws | hey guys anyone here using xchat ? |
| 09:31.00 | simonlnu | !anyone use |
| 09:31.01 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 09:31.20 | Agiofws | ok |
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| 09:31.30 | simonlnu | just ask |
| 09:31.38 | ectospasm | haven't used Xchat since I discovered it didn't have keyboard navigation between tabs/channels |
| 09:31.59 | bitonic | I've installed debian on a new laptop, when I resume from suspend I just get a black screen, I can switch to a TTY but I have to restart the login manager to get X back |
| 09:32.01 | thegve | I'm using it by the way :) |
| 09:32.53 | idk92 | How do I make the terminal to support 256 colors? |
| 09:33.22 | simonlnu | idk92: there's lots of "tutorials" on the web to do that. pick one. |
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| 09:35.48 | Dr_ST | hey folks |
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| 09:37.36 | Pendrix | ok got another quest |
| 09:37.44 | Pendrix | if i deattach window in screen |
| 09:37.53 | Pendrix | how do i put this window back to screen mode? :d |
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| 09:39.01 | ultrav1olet | it's good to know that debian guys don't quite understand debian )) |
| 09:39.17 | Pendrix | say what? |
| 09:39.27 | Pendrix | where its written that all connected are pr0? |
| 09:39.38 | Pendrix | its debian chan - duscuss getting more infos |
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| 09:42.46 | gnarface | Pendrix: do you mean screen -r? |
| 09:42.55 | simonlnu | Pendrix: screen -r; see man screen |
| 09:43.14 | ectospasm | or screen -x |
| 09:43.31 | gnarface | also, screen is kinda getto and getting a bit long in the tooth. i've heard tmux is faster/less annoyingly non-standard in behavior |
| 09:43.34 | ectospasm | ...or, if you have multiple screen sessions, screen -x <session name> |
| 09:44.18 | gnarface | stopped needing screen once he figured out how to bash script |
| 09:44.40 | Scall | Hello, I don't want that the matcher extension of urxvt make links underlined (but I wish to retain the behaviour that links are coloured from the extension), how I have to modify the matcher script (this → http://paste.debian.net/207144/ )?? Many thanks in advance, and sorry for my English. |
| 09:44.41 | ectospasm | I use screen almost daily at work... easy to share a terminal with a customer |
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| 09:44.50 | gnarface | ah |
| 09:44.54 | gnarface | interesting |
| 09:44.55 | simonlnu | i use both |
| 09:45.01 | gnarface | has never shared a terminal with anyone |
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| 09:46.01 | gnarface | #! perl |
| 09:46.08 | gnarface | does that even work?\ |
| 09:46.20 | Pendrix | nah |
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| 09:46.32 | Pendrix | when i do $screen -r name_process |
| 09:46.40 | Pendrix | it goes to the window of this process |
| 09:46.47 | Pendrix | i want to get this process back to screen |
| 09:46.52 | Pendrix | ^z ? |
| 09:47.02 | simonlnu | it's not name of process, it's the *session* name |
| 09:47.05 | Tinned_Tuna | Heya, I was just wondering if anyone else can download http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/amd64/bt-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-CD-1.iso.torrent. My bt client (Transmission) claims that bttracker.debian is returning an error, or terminating. |
| 09:47.19 | Tinned_Tuna | I'm unable to verify if the tracker is dead, or if it's my connection. |
| 09:47.19 | gnarface | Pendrix: i think -l will list them, |
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| 09:47.31 | gnarface | somethign does anyway |
| 09:47.48 | bool | will installing new applications wit aptitude make /var grow? |
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| 09:48.08 | simonlnu | Pendrix: if you didn't give it a name, you go by the dynamically generated session name. if there's only one, -r will work. like i said man screen. |
| 09:48.08 | inTheRain | has anyone here tried debian on an asus zenbook? |
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| 09:48.16 | simonlnu | screen -ls |
| 09:48.20 | Pendrix | i know how to list sessions |
| 09:48.21 | Pendrix | --' |
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| 09:48.29 | Pendrix | look |
| 09:48.34 | Pendrix | i start irssi in screen |
| 09:48.43 | gnarface | bool: yes, but its just cached packages |
| 09:48.46 | Pendrix | then i $screen -r irssi |
| 09:48.52 | Pendrix | im in irssi |
| 09:49.01 | Pendrix | now i want to get irssi back to the screen |
| 09:49.15 | gnarface | maybe we're having an english issue |
| 09:49.18 | simonlnu | you're doing it wrong |
| 09:49.32 | c0n | hello, i can't install debian wheezy from debian-testing-amd64-xfce-CD-1: "no kernel modules found". is there a working image? |
| 09:49.45 | gnarface | Pendrix: is english not your first language? do you actually mean you are trying to get irssi back FROM the screen? |
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| 09:50.09 | Pendrix | i want to GET irssi BACK to the screen mode |
| 09:50.15 | Pendrix | not visible in default tty |
| 09:50.33 | gnarface | so... you typed ctrl-a, ctrl-d and then? |
| 09:50.37 | bool | gnarface: my current use of /var is about 1gb. it is a computer used for desktop usage. how much size should i assign to my /var partition ? i believe 5gb may be overkill? |
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| 09:51.54 | simonlnu | bool: yes it will. you might want something a bit bigger. 2 GB is probably ok. |
| 09:52.02 | Pendrix | and then nth happend |
| 09:52.07 | Pendrix | it says "no such a window" |
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| 09:52.34 | gnarface | Pendrix: what says that, irssi or screen? |
| 09:52.45 | simonlnu | ... |
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| 09:53.38 | Pendrix | FFS |
| 09:53.45 | Tinned_Tuna | MMy VPS can grab it at >12mb/s |
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| 09:53.52 | gnarface | bool: eh, i've got about 10GB of 1TB assigned to /var, using 5.8GB of it, but you don't necessarily need all that space |
| 09:53.55 | Tinned_Tuna | so, it is my work blocking bittorrent |
| 09:54.00 | Pendrix | 1. i open irssi $screen -m -d -S irssi irssi |
| 09:54.08 | Pendrix | 2. $screen -r irssi |
| 09:54.20 | Pendrix | 3. ctrl+a outputs "no other window" |
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| 09:54.26 | Pendrix | its tty notification |
| 09:54.41 | bool | gnarface: what is mainly using that much space? |
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| 09:55.07 | gnarface | bool: just the package cache of packages i've recently installed/updated |
| 09:55.31 | bool | gnarface: wont clearing the cache solve that? |
| 09:55.41 | gnarface | bool: yea you can "apt-get clean" to flush it i just rarely bother |
| 09:57.29 | gnarface | Pendrix: maybe something else is intercepting the commands? like your terminal, window manager, or irssi itself? |
| 09:57.33 | bool | what will i lose when clearing my cache? i mean, what is actually stored in the apt cache? |
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| 09:57.53 | gnarface | Pendrix: i don't have any of that software installed so i cannot recreate. check the screen manpage and make sure i was right that ctrl-a ctrl-d disconnects |
| 09:58.47 | Pendrix | i'm started wondering who has lack of knowledge about english |
| 09:58.49 | Pendrix | rly |
| 09:58.50 | Pendrix | but thx for trials |
| 09:59.38 | gnarface | bool: know how windows stores a backup of every exe installer you ever used in C:\temp or some shit like that? same idea... its just caches of deb files so that if you uninstall then later decide to reinstall it you don't have to wait for them all to download again |
| 09:59.44 | Desproges | Hi, I want to add a script in my /usr/local/sbin , I wonder why all program in /usr/sbin/ are 755 (x for all) |
| 10:00.32 | bool | gnarface: ahh. ok :) nice explanation :) i had a look at aptitude autoclean. seems like that will solve the problem by removing outdated packages |
| 10:00.50 | simonlnu | Pendrix: duh. you *have no other window*. of course it's saying that |
| 10:01.08 | gnarface | bool: if space really becomes an issue you can adjust the amount of space it will try to use with some apt preference but usually if you have swap at at least 200MB in /var you won't have issues |
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| 10:01.24 | bool | gnarface: i guess most of your usage of var is actually outdated packages, am i correct? if you issue a aptitude autoclean you will probably end up by using about 1gb |
| 10:02.23 | gnarface | bool: eh, not necessarily outdated but possibly many of them yes. 5.8 of that 5.2GB used in my /var is cached packages |
| 10:02.40 | ectospasm | Desproges: normal users can run what's in /usr/local/sbin, it's just not in most users' PATH |
| 10:02.50 | gnarface | bool: sorry, got that backwards obviously; i meant 5.2GB of the 5.8GB used |
| 10:03.18 | gnarface | bool: oh i've also got an apt-file cache in there too. that could weigh you down if you've been using it (almost nobody does) |
| 10:03.35 | Agiofws | Your message here |
| 10:03.36 | simonlnu | does |
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| 10:03.45 | Agiofws | hey did you just see that ? |
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| 10:04.36 | Pendrix | simonlnu its not that sure |
| 10:04.38 | bool | hehe :p i just ran aptitude autoclean and freed about 70MB. i have been running this system for about 2 weeks, so i guess running it for a year or so without using autoclean will result in a much larger freed space |
| 10:04.47 | Pendrix | since i got 4 diff programs in screen mode |
| 10:04.54 | gnarface | Pendrix: i won't claim to have a perfect grasp of the english language but you should know i scored in the 99th percentile for reading comprehension on my SAT scores, so i suspect between that and the fact nobody else in here can figure out what your issue is either you should consider trying to explain your problem differently and perhaps include screenshots/pastebins? |
| 10:05.06 | simonlnu | um, so you think screen would be telling you this for kicks? |
| 10:05.16 | simonlnu | is done with this |
| 10:05.19 | gnarface | Pendrix: the versions of debian, screen and irssi you're using might be relevant too |
| 10:07.06 | bool | gnarface: could you explain what you ment by swap of 200mb on /var ? |
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| 10:07.22 | gnarface | bool: oh look in /var/cache/apt for apt cache stuff (you can use du -sh in there to see how much space its taking) but also know that most webservers and database servers also store all their data in /var so while i know you said desktop, keep in mind server programs do typically chew up /var a lot more |
| 10:07.40 | gnarface | bool: typo, i meant swap *and* 200MB free in /var |
| 10:07.55 | bool | ahh. ok :p |
| 10:08.40 | gnarface | never had a problem with apt runnign out of space on a system that had more than 2GB of ram or any swap at all |
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| 10:10.26 | bool | gnarface: i see. thanks for helping :) |
| 10:10.34 | gnarface | bool: no problem |
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| 10:11.58 | gnarface | bool: but, you know... obviously if you're doing a lot of uninstalling/reinstalling of different conflicting suites of software a large apt cache will save you a large amount of time, especially if your network connection sucks... but if you have a few machines and you want to share that cache amongst them i recommend apt-cacher-ng (super easy and slick caching proxy) |
| 10:12.30 | bool | gnarface: thanks for the tip :) |
| 10:13.03 | gnarface | np |
| 10:15.18 | Dr_ST | babilen: not able to perform your command, I've removed aptitude :-) |
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| 10:17.27 | ed8 | hi, I would like to install and run both tomcat6 and tomcat7 but they seems to be mutually exclusive |
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| 10:19.34 | ed8 | how should I do that ? |
| 10:19.52 | ed8 | I would prefer using the package from the repo |
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| 10:21.39 | gnarface | ed8: there's probably a good reason they're in conflict with each other. i'd recommend chrooting or virtual machines |
| 10:22.02 | gnarface | ed8: actually i'd recommend those as a last resort; first you should make sure you can't just get by with only tomcat7 |
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| 10:24.13 | ed8 | gnarface: that's what I'm going for (testing with tomcat7) |
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| 10:31.13 | zetheroo | and I can't seem to add this new user |
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| 10:41.57 | linux-fox | hi,guy |
| 10:42.24 | linux-fox | i am working in debian cli, please tell me a irc cilent |
| 10:42.39 | linux-fox | i want to use irc on cli |
| 10:43.14 | Stummi | irssi |
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| 10:44.13 | judezhan | linux-fox: irssi is great |
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| 10:45.12 | linux-fox | http://irssi.org/download |
| 10:45.33 | linux-fox | judezhan:thank you |
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| 10:47.31 | judezhan | linux-fox: :) enjoy it |
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| 10:49.26 | linux-fox | judezhan: other irc client on cli mode except irssi |
| 10:49.29 | linux-fox | ? |
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| 10:50.37 | anomalies | bitchx obsolete, same goes to epic |
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| 10:51.29 | Stummi | linux-fox, whats the problem with irssi? |
| 10:51.49 | Stummi | irssi is the best client if you have stuck to the cli |
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| 10:53.08 | mcfrisk_ | Q: is it possible to disable erasing of data in Debian installer? I'd like to install a bit faster with full disk encryption but on VirtualBox with dynamic disk image |
| 10:53.09 | Lasse- | irssi might take some time to get used to though. |
| 10:53.51 | linux-fox | stummi:no problem |
| 10:53.52 | Stummi | Lasse-, yes. As with allmost all cli-tools |
| 10:54.02 | Lasse- | Yea, |
| 10:54.07 | Lasse- | I am an irssi-user though. |
| 10:54.29 | anomalies | irssi are the best thing when all you have got only monochrome screen :) |
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| 10:54.29 | Armand | I keep irssi as a backup, just in case. |
| 10:54.32 | Stummi | if sb want to use something "userfriendly" in meaning of "i want to use it without knowing what i am doing", he can use OSX |
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| 10:55.34 | anomalies | Stummi, dude.. i use osx right now.. but that doesn't mean i want comfort :) |
| 10:55.59 | anomalies | 40% of my time are on "terminal" |
| 10:56.08 | Stummi | this wasn't meant against osx. I also used it for some years and i still like it |
| 10:56.23 | anomalies | but you are right in general |
| 10:56.28 | anomalies | :D |
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| 10:56.45 | Stummi | its fact, that osx is closer to this, what a "normal user" calls "userfriendly" than any linux distri |
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| 10:57.17 | Stummi | (and the others have their iTerm, though ;) ) |
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| 10:58.00 | anomalies | sometimes i found using osx are harder than any normal linux |
| 10:58.24 | anomalies | when i want some apps and build it from source :) |
| 10:58.24 | Stummi | what i doesn't like is that it use some old and busted bsd-tools (as route for example) |
| 10:58.41 | anomalies | i agree :D |
| 10:59.23 | judezhan | :q |
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| 11:00.22 | peterrooney | I find most every bsd tool full of fail, but ps takes the cake. |
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| 11:01.47 | anomalies | peterrooney, i would call it "obsolete" |
| 11:02.02 | anomalies | working but.. you know |
| 11:02.04 | anomalies | :D |
| 11:03.20 | gnarface | peterrooney: i'm not sure "full of fail" is appropriate. i'd designate that title to the Solaris versions. i do find that the GNU stuff often has incredibly useful extensions though (like --forest) |
| 11:03.49 | Desproges | Hi, since a couple of days, the sudo command always tell me "command not found" when I want to use something in /usr/sbin/ . Do you have any clue to fix it ? |
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| 11:04.44 | gnarface | Desproges: modify $PATH or just you know ... include it in the command |
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| 11:05.05 | anomalies | calling full path is such a pain in the a** :D |
| 11:05.08 | Desproges | but where ? in my bashrc ? |
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| 11:09.17 | Desproges | :/ |
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| 11:10.06 | Dr_ST | Desproges: echo $PATH? |
| 11:10.15 | gnarface | Desproges: ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (whichever you have) is a good place to put it... |
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| 11:12.00 | Desproges | you mean in /root/.bashrc right ? |
| 11:12.11 | Desproges | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:17.51 | gnarface | Desproges: uh... no i meant ~/ (which will also work as root but /usr/sbin should already be in root's path... wtf did you do to it?) but there is a global one in /etc if you want to change it for everyone. (not recommended) |
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| 11:18.03 | Dr_ST | Desproges: no, I think sudo brings your environment, so it should be in your $HOME/.bash_profile |
| 11:18.21 | Dr_ST | or you can set it up system-wide in /etc/bash_profile |
| 11:18.35 | gnarface | there is a flag you can pass to sudo to have it inherit the target user's environment but i believe its off by default |
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| 11:19.01 | Dr_ST | ha, bad assumption :-( |
| 11:19.27 | Desproges | yes ok I understand. I really don't know how that happens. I just saw /usr/sbin is in PATH by default, but why I not anymore, I don't know :s |
| 11:19.35 | Dr_ST | sudo -E <command> :-) |
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| 11:20.00 | Dr_ST | Desproges: you played with $PATH, don't you? |
| 11:20.11 | Desproges | no, I didn't |
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| 11:20.23 | demonio094 | hi all, can an expert user help me? |
| 11:20.34 | boudiccas | !ask |
| 11:20.34 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 11:20.55 | demonio094 | ok thanks :) |
| 11:21.05 | demonio094 | then i installed bt 5r2 |
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| 11:21.11 | demonio094 | in my laptop |
| 11:21.16 | gnarface | bluetooth? |
| 11:21.19 | demonio094 | and my brightness is very low |
| 11:21.24 | gnarface | oh, not bluetooth |
| 11:21.41 | demonio094 | i've an ati radeon hd 3200 |
| 11:21.47 | boudiccas | wtf is 'bt 5r2'? |
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| 11:22.05 | demonio094 | back track 5 r2 |
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| 11:22.05 | anomalies | boudiccas, backtrack 5 release 2 |
| 11:22.05 | demonio094 | sorry r3 |
| 11:22.23 | anomalies | demonio094, just download the driver from ati |
| 11:22.27 | anomalies | and runs it |
| 11:22.37 | anomalies | it supposed to be easy enough |
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| 11:23.47 | demonio094 | i'm a (very ) user :) , can you tell me what command i must launch for install driver? |
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| 11:24.06 | demonio094 | i already downloaded it |
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| 11:24.19 | Desproges | ops, sorry |
| 11:24.30 | zeroXten | http://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=%28 gives interesting times: " Time to first regexp result: -2263236h39m48.092856152s" |
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| 11:24.44 | zeroXten | was actually searching for malloc( ;) |
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| 11:25.51 | Desproges | where is PATH defined first ? |
| 11:25.56 | anomalies | demonio094, then just decompress and run install |
| 11:26.19 | anomalies | mine hd7770 and runs fine |
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| 11:28.23 | ChrisH | Is it true, btrsfs on wheezy does not contain encryption? |
| 11:28.26 | inTheRain | I'm a little bitter over the fact that I can never get linux to run seamlessly on new hardware. Can anyone help me change my viewpoint to a positive one? |
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| 11:29.17 | inTheRain | as a background note I just spent $1600 on an asus zenbook prime and the only linux dist that supports the hardware is Ubuntu, with an extra package from X-org-edgers |
| 11:29.59 | anomalies | inTheRain, how cutting-edge is your hardware? |
| 11:30.01 | anomalies | :) |
| 11:30.01 | ChrisH | inTheRain: With Debian unstable I was able to get my Notebook to work... last year. |
| 11:30.21 | inTheRain | anomalies: pretty cutting edge, I'd say :) |
| 11:30.45 | inTheRain | the latest asus zenbook |
| 11:30.48 | ChrisH | inTheRain: cutting edge means, debian unstable needed |
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| 11:30.54 | anomalies | ;) |
| 11:31.14 | anomalies | someone get my point :P |
| 11:31.16 | inTheRain | ChrisH: I think I'd have to go debian experimental, to be honest |
| 11:31.36 | demonio094 | driver i've download is: amd-driver-installer-12.6-legacy-x86_64.zip (is right for my card graphics?) |
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| 11:32.08 | inTheRain | anomalies: well, hence the bitterness. If my choice is to run old hardware with linux or new hardware with windows... then I don't like my choices ;) |
| 11:33.04 | anomalies | inTheRain, well.. the basic will be supported |
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| 11:33.30 | anomalies | on newer h/w, usually only ports not supported out of the box |
| 11:33.56 | anomalies | well.. that happen on my case |
| 11:34.07 | anomalies | but mostly supposed to be supported out of the box |
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| 11:34.33 | inTheRain | anomalies: yeah, the basic is. Wifi even works, which almost surprised me. X has issues though. Even on the newest Ubuntu I have to get that extra fix from edgers to fix things like all hot keys and stop the screen from randomly changing brightness |
| 11:35.10 | anomalies | well.. to be honest |
| 11:35.26 | anomalies | my ati gnu not fully supported |
| 11:35.33 | anomalies | sometimes flickering |
| 11:35.37 | anomalies | and sudden blank :D |
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| 11:35.39 | inTheRain | no, to be fair my bitterness is directed to Asus. I think they should get all drivers merged into the linux kernel before releasing the hardware. But that's just me being ideological and naive :) |
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| 11:35.51 | anomalies | it works but kind of unstable |
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| 11:37.05 | nsadmin | inTheRain, what do you think is the cause of the hot keys issue? |
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| 11:37.37 | anomalies | s/gnu/gpu |
| 11:37.45 | inTheRain | nsadmin: I have no idea. Not enough linux savvy to have a clue :P |
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| 11:38.22 | nsadmin | well, for example, are the hotkeys customized in some way? |
| 11:39.01 | anomalies | most notebook, especially designed to run windows.. will have high probability with error/problems when dealings with linux |
| 11:39.24 | nevyn | hrm |
| 11:39.59 | nevyn | there have been issues in the past with thermal management on laptops but most things just work. |
| 11:40.00 | ChrisH | inTheRain: You (we as consumers) can create some pressure by not buying Windows or MacOS only crap... like some mobile phones are |
| 11:40.17 | nevyn | speaking of which... does anyone know what's supposed to manage fans these days? |
| 11:40.29 | nevyn | is it all in kernel or does it need userspace assistance? |
| 11:41.07 | inTheRain | ChrisH: in theory, yes. But I'd be without a computer :) |
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| 11:42.20 | ChrisH | inTheRain: I know that problem. With my ProBook I was keeping the fingeres crossed while booting Ubuntu/Debian for testing after it arrived |
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| 11:43.08 | inTheRain | ChrisH: I'm glad I'm away from windows now, but not very excited about being stuck with ubuntu for the moment |
| 11:43.40 | inTheRain | I think/hope that most issues will be fixed with the 3.7.x kernel |
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| 11:48.07 | demonio094 | anomalies: i launched unzip filename.zip |
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| 11:48.42 | demonio094 | anomalies: and run with sh namefile.run |
| 11:49.07 | Nurbs | Are there any packages that allow installing multiple PHP versions simultaneously or do I need to build my own (or use a chroot or whatever)? |
| 11:49.42 | demonio094 | but now a window by "AMD Catalyst....." is open |
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| 11:51.08 | demonio094 | and tell me "install Driver 8.97.100.3 on X.Org 6.9 or later" or "Generate Distribution Specific Driver Package" |
| 11:51.34 | demonio094 | what i must choose? |
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| 11:52.18 | ssapphiree | hi all |
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| 11:54.02 | nsadmin | if you "generate", it will give you a .deb which you would then install |
| 11:54.07 | Nurbs | decides to run PHP 5.3 with FPM in a debootstrapped chroot. Should be the fastest way to get 5.4+5.3 on unstable/experimental |
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| 11:54.15 | moty66 | I am trying to install debian in x86 base motherboard VIA C3 CPU and CLE266 Chip Set (http://www.powerview.nl/product/product-DVRsys-SV823A+T.htm), I can book the installation CD/USBKEY but the system hangs on the first screen, I *can't* choose between install/graphical install/...ecc, any idea? |
| 11:54.29 | _geo | slaps PHP |
| 11:54.34 | moty66 | boot* instead of book |
| 11:55.39 | ssapphiree | I've a vnc4server running, skype under it, and a couple of python scripts, all running 24/7. And I need an automated tool to manage all that as one unit, start/stop automatically (on startup and shutdown), and important: restart them when they crash. Can you guys advise me some solution? I've got Debian 6.0.6 |
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| 11:59.36 | moty66 | ssapphiree: I am not an expert, but try to read something about *monit* and *watchdog* |
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| 12:02.43 | ssapphiree | thanks for a clue moty66 |
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| 12:12.29 | demonio094 | if i make "install driver ....." an error message go out |
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| 12:15.16 | Stummi | demonio094, we are very sorry for that |
| 12:15.56 | demonio094 | what can i make? |
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| 12:16.22 | Stummi | reading the error message could be a good beginning |
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| 12:24.14 | whowantstolivefo | hi, i know it is not about here... but i need a sysbase sql editor in windows... ase editor ? which one i can use ? please help me. |
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| 12:28.00 | garysteers | Hi All, have a question relating to changing from Etch to Squeeze, we use openwrt here and use an older build for legacy reasons (Kamikaze) our build system is currently an older Debia 4 box that we need to replace with a newer one, however i can;t seem to get OpenWRT kamikaze to build on it |
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| 12:29.05 | tux_drummer | Hi ppl.. Im just wondering if there is any way to retrieve additional whois info, such as distro used on the server where the website is hosted etc? is that feasible? |
| 12:30.12 | n1md4 | Hi. I've just installed Squeeze, updated to Wheezy, installed the 'gnome' metapackage, visited extensions.gnome.org and tried installing an extension. Unfortunately, it silently fails to do so. Would any one know how I might go about debugging this? |
| 12:30.28 | Ergo^ | n1md4, which browser ? |
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| 12:30.41 | n1md4 | iceweasel |
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| 12:34.13 | earlybirdd | how would I set my debian server to connect with the same IP everytime it is rebooted instead of having a 10.1.1.x address? |
| 12:34.29 | n1md4 | vi /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 12:35.21 | earlybirdd | It creates a new file? |
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| 12:36.36 | n1md4 | Actually, I'm going to guess you've network-manager too. |
| 12:37.09 | earlybirdd | I only have access to the console |
| 12:37.29 | n1md4 | If I were you, I'd uninstall that, and then edit network/interfaces (http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Configuring_the_interface_manually) |
| 12:37.56 | n1md4 | where there's a shell, there's a way ;) |
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| 12:42.28 | wizardslovak | any idea why debian installer doesnt work? |
| 12:43.03 | petemc | works for me |
| 12:43.09 | n1md4 | you're hardware is broken? |
| 12:43.15 | wizardslovak | nope |
| 12:43.18 | n1md4 | what way does it not work? |
| 12:43.43 | wizardslovak | i mean i am trying to install debian on pc with "debian installer" icon in gui |
| 12:44.05 | n1md4 | hmm - but still, how does it fail? |
| 12:44.12 | wizardslovak | doesnt start at all |
| 12:44.50 | n1md4 | hmmm. no option to run the installer from boot? |
| 12:45.02 | wizardslovak | using live usb |
| 12:45.22 | n1md4 | either that, or find the terminal command, and launch form that. |
| 12:45.44 | n1md4 | ...or download netinst boot media, and install on boot |
| 12:45.52 | wizardslovak | uhh |
| 12:46.05 | wizardslovak | "no suitable d-i initrd image found , aborting" |
| 12:46.29 | n1md4 | hmmm |
| 12:47.33 | n1md4 | i still say install from netinst if possible |
| 12:47.54 | wizardslovak | yea want to get xfce with it |
| 12:48.58 | n1md4 | get base install, then istall xfce ? |
| 12:49.31 | wizardslovak | will have to |
| 12:49.53 | wizardslovak | or any way to install it from here in command? |
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| 12:50.20 | nsadmin | wizardslovak, (n1md4, exactly what I was going to say as well... let's see if he can) I don't know about live images of any kind... but, how large is your usb? |
| 12:50.50 | n1md4 | well, it'd be with the live installer, as you're doing, but i.... go on, nsadmin :) |
| 12:51.07 | wizardslovak | nsadmin, 4gb |
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| 12:51.25 | demonio094 | in my system miss /lib/modules/3.2.6/build/include/linux/version.h |
| 12:51.31 | demonio094 | what can i make? |
| 12:51.50 | wizardslovak | nsadmin, http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 12:52.19 | nsadmin | ok, so you're getting "can't find installer image"? |
| 12:52.27 | wizardslovak | yup |
| 12:52.48 | nsadmin | and so far, nothing has booted? |
| 12:53.02 | wizardslovak | i got booted to live gui |
| 12:53.17 | wizardslovak | installed xhat to ask why installer doesnt work |
| 12:53.18 | nsadmin | oh, so it does boot? |
| 12:53.35 | wizardslovak | yes |
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| 12:54.18 | nsadmin | coupla more: is the data on the usb expendable? |
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| 12:54.54 | wizardslovak | specify expendable? |
| 12:54.59 | wizardslovak | if there is free space then yes |
| 12:55.47 | nsadmin | (if the usb got dropped, erased, rmed, or dropped in the toilet, the loss of the data would not be a problem? everytning backed up? |
| 12:55.57 | wizardslovak | yes |
| 12:56.04 | wizardslovak | usb was never dropped |
| 12:56.13 | wizardslovak | plus there is nothing i need backup off |
| 12:56.28 | wizardslovak | i just use it to get live isos there to install |
| 12:56.34 | nsadmin | ok, so the data is completely expendable |
| 12:56.47 | wizardslovak | yes |
| 12:56.53 | nsadmin | ok, and at this point you wish to install? |
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| 12:57.21 | wizardslovak | yes |
| 12:57.25 | earlybirdd | Hey i have apache installed...I want to be able to access a webserver account from dreamweaver in windows what would I need to do? |
| 12:57.42 | wizardslovak | i am checking /usr/sbin/debian-installer/launcher |
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| 12:59.17 | nsadmin | ok, so first off I never tried the live cds... I've tried the netinstall cd many times, and later ones allow you to write them to a usb using dd or cat directly to the usb, and once you do that, they're supposed to boot |
| 12:59.17 | demonio094 | build file is broken what can i make? |
| 12:59.35 | wizardslovak | yes |
| 12:59.51 | wizardslovak | wrote it with yumi installer on windows |
| 12:59.56 | nsadmin | demonio094, you probably need kernel headers for your running kernel (uname -r) |
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| 13:00.10 | wizardslovak | but i can try dd install |
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| 13:00.23 | wizardslovak | just gotta restart and boot other distro |
| 13:00.25 | nsadmin | do you have a netinstall image now? |
| 13:00.34 | wizardslovak | no, but can get i |
| 13:00.36 | wizardslovak | t |
| 13:00.44 | nsadmin | if no, what's your arch, and what version of debian do you want? |
| 13:00.58 | demonio094 | my kernel is 3.2.6 |
| 13:01.30 | wizardslovak | well the latest 6.0 with xfce |
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| 13:01.58 | nsadmin | ok, so a sueeze netinstall... what's your arch? |
| 13:01.58 | wizardslovak | since launcher is missing initrd.img , wont be easier to download it and point laucncher to it? |
| 13:02.07 | wizardslovak | arch? |
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| 13:02.34 | nsadmin | what's your cpu |
| 13:02.42 | wizardslovak | got tired of ubuntu versions .. want to get debian flavor |
| 13:02.47 | wizardslovak | intel |
| 13:03.02 | nsadmin | core2duo? |
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| 13:03.47 | wizardslovak | yea |
| 13:04.03 | wizardslovak | t4200 core2duo 2ghz |
| 13:04.17 | nsadmin | ok, so you want an amd64 squeeze netinstall |
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| 13:04.23 | wizardslovak | yup |
| 13:04.27 | nsadmin | what net controller? |
| 13:04.38 | nsadmin | wired? wireless? |
| 13:04.42 | wizardslovak | wired |
| 13:04.45 | wizardslovak | h8 wireless |
| 13:04.58 | jelly | gr8 choice |
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| 13:05.20 | moty66 | I am trying to install debian in x86 base motherboard VIA C3 CPU and CLE266 Chip Set (http://www.powerview.nl/product/product-DVRsys-SV823A+T.htm), I can boot the installation CD/USBKEY but the system hangs on the first screen, I *can't* choose between install/graphical install/...ecc, any idea? |
| 13:05.53 | demonio094 | build file is broken any idea? |
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| 13:06.40 | nsadmin | an idea to consider: maybe you do not have installed the kernel headers for your runnign kernel |
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| 13:07.24 | demonio094 | i make: apt-get install linux-headers-3.2.6 |
| 13:07.33 | wizardslovak | ill try net-install |
| 13:08.11 | demonio094 | but tell me that linux-headers-3.2.6 is already the newest version |
| 13:08.22 | nsadmin | ok... go for it :) if you have troible someone will be around |
| 13:09.08 | nsadmin | demonio094, what is the exact text of your uname -r? |
| 13:09.27 | demonio094 | 3.2.6 |
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| 13:10.03 | nsadmin | hmm. that's not a debian kernel... you built it? |
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| 13:10.31 | anomalies | demonio094, you should join #backtrack-linux |
| 13:10.34 | anomalies | :) |
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| 13:13.13 | demonio094 | lol xD can recommend me a channel where user are active? xD |
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| 13:13.33 | anomalies | try ubuntu then |
| 13:13.37 | anomalies | :) |
| 13:13.46 | anomalies | R3 are ubuntu 10.10 |
| 13:14.04 | menace | is there any document (besides sourcecode) which describe the debian release/package files within a repository? |
| 13:14.06 | demonio094 | thanks so much :) |
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| 13:16.34 | grohne | hi. what options can you suggest to minimize (security support, etc.) effort to get a kernel with CONFIG_RPS on squeeze? 2.6.32 does not support that feature. |
| 13:16.36 | menace | specifically i talk about Origin, Codename, suite, FakeCodename, Update and stuff like that? |
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| 13:17.22 | grohne | is the wheezy kernel known to break userspace? |
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| 13:17.34 | grohne | err "to break squeeze userspace" of course |
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| 13:18.48 | Stummi | grohne, use backports |
| 13:18.59 | Stummi | don't mix squeeze and wheezy in any way |
| 13:19.02 | grohne | Stummi: oh nice. I forgot about them. :-) |
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| 13:19.45 | anomalies | demonio094, http://www.backtrack-linux.org/forums/showthread.php?t=50301 |
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| 13:29.20 | n1md4 | moty66: you have another keyboard to try? Perhaps try another distro too? just to test. |
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| 13:29.57 | moty66 | n1md4: no, i tried several versions of debian, but didn't change the keyboard or the distro |
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| 13:30.08 | moty66 | n1md4: I'll try |
| 13:31.11 | n1md4 | ... long shot I know, but I wouldn't know how to debug the installer. |
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| 13:32.27 | Sheen | Hi, I'd like to add Opsi repository in my source.list, but it does not work. Syntax is strange, here it is : "deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/uibmz:/opsi:/opsi40/Debian_6.0 ./" , I got 502 error bad gateway when apt-get update, repository link is the one found into official PDF and website. I don't know what I can do to get it working, any idea please ? |
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| 13:39.06 | demonio094 | how can i unistall ati drivers? |
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| 13:44.42 | nkuttler | demonio094: which ones? |
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| 13:45.33 | nkuttler | demonio094: and, why would you? what's the real problem? |
| 13:45.58 | demonio094 | brightness is very low |
| 13:46.27 | demonio094 | so i'm thinking that i had install a wrong amd-driver |
| 13:46.44 | demonio094 | so i want unistall and reinstall another version |
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| 13:47.38 | nkuttler | demonio094: have you checked your brightness settings? i don't think Debian ships different driver versions anyway |
| 13:48.03 | demonio094 | i've backtrack |
| 13:48.14 | nkuttler | demonio094: pastebin grep Driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 13:48.25 | nkuttler | what's backtrack? |
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| 13:48.50 | demonio094 | an O.S. |
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| 13:49.05 | demonio094 | wrong version about driver |
| 13:49.09 | boudiccas | Sheen, dont mix distros! its a bad idea to install suse programs on debain, dont do it |
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| 13:49.20 | nkuttler | demonio094: so why on earth are you in #debian? |
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| 13:49.49 | demonio094 | because i need just command for unistall |
| 13:49.54 | demonio094 | amd |
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| 13:50.13 | boudiccas | !backtrack |
| 13:50.14 | dpkg | BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid (as of BackTrack 5), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. |
| 13:50.15 | nkuttler | demonio094: ask backtrack support. we don't support random distros |
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| 13:52.17 | demonio094 | ok thanks :) ... i'm searching to connect to backtrack channel but a message say me "Disconnected from irc.fu-berlin.de" |
| 13:52.28 | demonio094 | how can i connect there? |
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| 13:53.08 | nkuttler | demonio094: #freenode can help you with network questions |
| 13:53.51 | boudiccas | demonio094, read what dpkg said and join #backtrack-linux |
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| 13:58.58 | zamba | what package do i need to install to always get the kernel headers installed with the new kernel? |
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| 14:01.48 | nkuttler | zamba: linux-image-<arch> and linux-headers-<arch> ? |
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| 14:03.23 | oo_miguel | Is it possible to install a deb file in my home direcory as a regular user? |
| 14:03.53 | oo_miguel | assuming or prequisites are met |
| 14:04.01 | oo_miguel | s/or/all |
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| 14:10.59 | nkuttler | oo_miguel: no |
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| 14:14.38 | earlybirdd | I have my site in dreamweaver located via FTP....how do i combine this with my webserver so i can access it via HTTP and have it parse my PHP? |
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| 14:17.10 | ectospasm | earlybirdd: um, ask in #httpd or #apache |
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| 14:19.27 | moty66 | n1md4: It was a keyboard issue, thanks for the hint, i replaced the USB keyboard with a PS/2, it works fine now |
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| 14:30.11 | arthurmaciel | hello |
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| 14:31.20 | arthurmaciel | I have an ext4 usb harddrive and would like to automount it with user rights to write on it as it will serve as my backup hd. I have /etc/fstab with /dev/sdb/home/arthur/hdext4 defaults,users,exec,noauto,noatime,commit=3000 but no success |
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| 14:31.43 | rgevaert | hi |
| 14:31.51 | arthurmaciel | does anyone ahas any clue on how to make it work? |
| 14:31.58 | arthurmaciel | have* |
| 14:32.06 | rgevaert | I'm looking for one of the cyrus-sasl2 maintainers |
| 14:32.37 | rgevaert | I can't find the git repo for the release in sid |
| 14:32.39 | Zumochi | Hello! I have no idea how I did it, but I get i386 packages in aptitude/apt ... Now I would like to remove this... But I have no clue how -> http://paste.debian.net/207215/ |
| 14:32.45 | rgevaert | git.debian hasn't got any tags |
| 14:32.48 | boudiccas | arthurmaciel, just plug it in, its not needed in fstab, and it will automount |
| 14:33.00 | somiaj | arthurmaciel: the filesystem is ext4, for permisions just use chmod/chown |
| 14:33.32 | somiaj | arthurmaciel: for automount, this is a matter of what tools you use to automount, my suggestion is an UUID entry in fstab and must mount it as mount /path/to/mountpoint |
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| 14:34.01 | somiaj | arthurmaciel: but use UUDI=... instead of /etc/sdb1 in your /etc/fstab because as a usb drive that could change |
| 14:34.31 | somiaj | Zumochi: look up the debian multiarch howto for users |
| 14:34.38 | arthurmaciel | somiaj: how do I generate an UUID? |
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| 14:34.59 | somiaj | arthurmaciel: it is already generated, ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid -- that should show you what the uuid of your different partitions are |
| 14:35.00 | arthurmaciel | boudiccas: even if I restart? |
| 14:35.10 | arthurmaciel | somiaj: thanks! |
| 14:35.12 | somiaj | arthurmaciel: or you can use tune2fs -l <filesystem> and it will be there to |
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| 14:35.43 | somiaj | arthurmaciel: boudiccas is correct provided you use a desktop like gnome and have the automounting tools installed. |
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| 14:35.52 | boudiccas | arthurmaciel, i rightclcik my backup usb h/d [ext3] in nautilus when i reboot and its mounted automagically |
| 14:36.52 | arthurmaciel | boudiccas: thanks! |
| 14:37.01 | somiaj | Zumochi: look at dpkg --print-foreign-architectures (that shows you what sort of forign arches you have installed) |
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| 14:37.14 | Zumochi | Thanks somiaj |
| 14:37.17 | somiaj | Zumochi: use dpkg --add-architecture arch or dpkg --remove-architecture arch to add/remove them |
| 14:37.23 | somiaj | Zumochi: apt-get update after you change that |
| 14:37.41 | Zumochi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.43 | somiaj | (not you may also want to check that /etc/apt/sources.list has no mention of i386 in it either) |
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| 14:37.57 | somiaj | Zumochi: look at dpkg --print-foreign-architectures -- do you have any set? |
| 14:38.07 | Zumochi | somiaj: yes, i386 |
| 14:38.07 | somiaj | Zumochi: also look at dpkg --print-architecture (what is the arch of that install)? |
| 14:38.08 | boudiccas | arthurmaciel, you're welcome |
| 14:38.40 | Zumochi | sudo dpkg --print-architecture amd64 |
| 14:38.43 | arthurmaciel | bye! |
| 14:38.55 | somiaj | Zumochi: I guess you need to remove all i386 packages and what not before you can remove the arch |
| 14:39.03 | somiaj | Zumochi: dpkg -l | grep :i386 |
| 14:39.04 | EinSchiff | Hi at you all, can I ask for when in time you estimate Wheezy is ready for release? |
| 14:39.10 | earlybirdd | Where would my /var/www directory be say for user peter? |
| 14:39.22 | boudiccas | !wheezy |
| 14:39.23 | dpkg | The release following squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie) and will be Debian 7.0. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Ask me about <testing>, <freeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 14:39.25 | somiaj | EinSchiff: you can ask, and teh answer will be 'when it is ready' |
| 14:39.31 | earlybirdd | would it be peter/var/www/ ? |
| 14:39.36 | somiaj | EinSchiff: this means when all the rc bugs are squashed (/msg dpkg rc-bugs) |
| 14:39.45 | Zumochi | That's a painful lot of packages |
| 14:40.17 | Zumochi | somiaj: it wouldn't be a problem to just purge them all? Or would that include the removal of amd64 config files |
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| 14:41.11 | somiaj | Zumochi: it shouldn't. realize you are running testing (or unstable) and multiarch is still in in infancy |
| 14:41.20 | somiaj | Zumochi: so back things up |
| 14:41.25 | Zumochi | of course |
| 14:41.30 | EinSchiff | 1682? oO |
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| 14:41.44 | somiaj | EinSchiff: I forget the factoid for the poll (best as to when) |
| 14:42.06 | Zumochi | I don't see any familiar package names, though |
| 14:42.10 | somiaj | EinSchiff: they range from jan 2013 to jan 2014 -- my guess is sometime near march to may next year |
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| 14:42.23 | somiaj | Zumochi: you can paste the output at paste.debian.net if you have questions about it |
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| 14:42.55 | somiaj | actually I think some people even betted it will be out this year. I doubt that...but debian has no release date it is all about quality and when it is ready |
| 14:43.22 | Zumochi | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/207218/ |
| 14:44.03 | EinSchiff | thats what i like about it even though the stuff in squeeze is partially really old it works perfectly |
| 14:44.09 | somiaj | the only non lib is gcc-4.7 which doesn't really have config files |
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| 14:44.15 | somiaj | if those are all your i386 packages, yea just purge them all |
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| 14:44.42 | somiaj | EinSchiff: backports (and the fact the linux desktop has caught up (for the most part) make the 'is old' not much of a factor |
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| 14:45.10 | somiaj | EinSchiff: though when it comes down to long term release debian is actually fairly quick to get a new release comapred to say centos (or even ubuntu ltr) |
| 14:45.13 | Zumochi | somiaj: is it possible to grep out just the package names? |
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| 14:45.49 | somiaj | Zumochi: | awk '{print $2;}' -- add that to see if you get the packagenames |
| 14:46.03 | somiaj | Zumochi: | xargs sudo dpkg --purge -- add that to pruge eveything in that list |
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| 14:46.27 | Zumochi | somiaj: works like a charm |
| 14:46.29 | somiaj | also note you do not need sudo dpkg -l, a normal user can run that |
| 14:46.48 | Zumochi | Right. |
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| 14:48.26 | EinSchiff | somiaj: did gnome 3 arrive in the backports already? and did cinnamon or similar also? because last time I had debian running it was still on gnome 2 which I actually liked more |
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| 14:48.49 | Kartagis | hi |
| 14:49.11 | Kartagis | how can I get dovecot 2.x with squeeze? |
| 14:49.45 | somiaj | EinSchiff: big thigns like gnome3 are no easy task to be backported (in essence you have to backport about 60% of the packages installed on a gnome system) |
| 14:49.49 | somiaj | ,v dovecot |
| 14:49.50 | judd | No package named 'dovecot' was found in i386. |
| 14:50.04 | somiaj | ,v dovecot-core |
| 14:50.05 | judd | Package: dovecot-core on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:2.1.7-2~bpo60+1; sid: 1:2.1.7-2; wheezy: 1:2.1.7-2 |
| 14:50.22 | somiaj | Kartagis: looks like 2.1.7 is in backports, /msg dpkg backports |
| 14:50.28 | somiaj | or backports.debian.org |
| 14:50.41 | Zumochi | somiaj: all fixed, thanks a bunch! |
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| 14:51.32 | somiaj | EinSchiff: so no gnome3 will never be backported. But my comment was more gnome2 works for most things people want, it just isn't as shiny. So you can choose stability of shiny. You could test wheezy (gnome3 is there) or you can just be patient and wait until debian testes wheezy enough that thigns work better. |
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| 14:53.02 | EinSchiff | somiaj: nono its awesome that squeeze still has gnome 2 but one last question still: do devices that work with 3.x kernels get also backported to the 2.6 kernels? |
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| 14:55.05 | somiaj | EinSchiff: you can get a 3.2 kernel in squeeze backports (and even a newer xorg, and drivers for say nvidia) |
| 14:55.27 | nvz | s/testes/tests/ |
| 14:55.29 | nvz | heh |
| 14:55.34 | ewet | hi, is there a way to find out _why_ a package is installed? meaning: what reverse dependency it resolved? I see I can check the reverse dependencies but that's not very specific. The only way I know how to do that is to tray and uninstall that package - it will then list all the packages depending on it. but that's not what I want ... |
| 14:55.40 | somiaj | EinSchiff: some devices get ported back to 2.6.32 (partly because deiban isn't the only major distro that uses it as its stable kernel). |
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| 14:55.49 | somiaj | ewet: have you tried aptitude why <package name> |
| 14:56.03 | EinSchiff | somiaj: oh perfect than thanks for your answers and have nice day! |
| 14:56.12 | somiaj | ewet: aptitude search can also search dependences both forwards and reverse. |
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| 14:57.01 | ewet | somiaj, apt can't do that on its own? |
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| 14:57.34 | somiaj | ewet: apt-cache search just isn't as cool as aptitudes |
| 14:57.53 | somiaj | ewet: personally I see apt-get and aptitude both as 'apt', they just have different brains (sometimes one tool is better than the other) |
| 14:58.03 | somiaj | I use apt-get for most things (faster), but aptitude is smarter in many cases |
| 14:58.06 | nvz | ewet: apt-get, apt-policy, apt-cache offer the same functionality for the most part |
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| 14:58.32 | Kartagis | I added the necessary line to /etc/apt/sources.list, and yet it tries to install the other one |
| 14:58.35 | somiaj | ewet: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html -- look at that |
| 14:58.49 | Kartagis | how can I install the one from backports? |
| 14:58.52 | somiaj | nvz: yea but apt-cache search feature fails to be as cool as aptitude (kinda disapointed there, but whatever there is another tool) |
| 14:59.09 | somiaj | Kartagis: backports by default is pinned lower, you have to manually tell apt to install the backport version |
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| 14:59.20 | Kartagis | somiaj: how? |
| 14:59.22 | somiaj | Kartagis: apt-get -t squeeze-backports install foo (or aptitude -t squeeze-backports) |
| 14:59.45 | nvz | somiaj: I've only used aptitude a couple times, that why feature is cool. I also note its slower as it checks the db twice, before and after where as apt only does it once |
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| 15:00.26 | somiaj | oh yea aptitude is way slower, I'm just saying in the case of those search flags (check that link if you haven't seen it) the ability to search for packages based on various terms is why I like it for searching |
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| 15:00.39 | somiaj | kinda wish they would put a lot of those features in apt-cache (since I don't like the speed of aptitude either) |
| 15:00.42 | Kartagis | somiaj: thanks |
| 15:00.45 | Kartagis | bbl |
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| 15:04.03 | ewet | somiaj, okay aptitude it is then ... it's been years since the last time I used it. nice to see however how well aptitude why works. so I have mysql installed because of keepassx ... weird world ;-) |
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| 15:05.23 | somiaj | ewet: that is weird, what mysql package? |
| 15:05.57 | somiaj | something seems off. keepassx has no mysql depends and I haev it on my system with no mysql packages |
| 15:07.22 | ewet | somiaj, to be honest I'm working on a xubuntu box right now -- just asking about apt I wasn't sure I'd find anyone competent in the ubuntu community -- but on this xubuntu box it's going like this: http://pastebin.com/A5ChRtZz |
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| 15:07.49 | ewet | basically a QT dependency ... |
| 15:09.53 | somiaj | ewet: we should have some turning test when people come in here to make sure they are actually sing debian |
| 15:10.04 | somiaj | part of the distro is its support. We do not support derivatives |
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| 15:11.04 | ewet | it was a question about apt and your guys are the makers of it ... |
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| 15:12.39 | Scall | Hello, I'd want that the "matcher" perl extension of urxvt don't underline links (but I wish that it still colour links), how I have to modify the matcher perl script (this → http://paste.debian.net/207144/ ) for doing that? Many thanks in advance, and sorry for my English! |
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| 15:13.51 | damacus | !bod |
| 15:13.52 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 15:14.18 | mactimes | Hi. Is there a way I can fully remove and reinstall apt-get and have default sources restored on my system? |
| 15:14.40 | erann | ewet: note that we don't control Ubuntu packages, or the dependencies declared on them (for what is worth, keepassx does not depend on anything-mysql on Debian Wheezy). |
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| 15:16.36 | ewet | erann, I know and I'm not too surprised that there are (weird) differences -- also I wouldn't be surprised if the Debian dependencies would make much more sense ... my remark was more a feedback on my success in using aptitude than anything else ;-) |
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| 15:17.33 | damacus | mactimes: how about you just replace / correct the sources.list file? |
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| 15:17.55 | damacus | i don't imagine trying to rip out the package manager will end well ;) |
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| 15:18.01 | damacus | http://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 15:18.20 | damacus | that shows an example of a standard squeeze sources.list |
| 15:18.37 | damacus | i imagine you could also dpkg-reconfigure some package to set it up too |
| 15:18.44 | damacus | (eg mirror selection and whatnot) |
| 15:19.06 | mactimes | damacus Thanks. Someone had been tempering with this system, playing with packages and sources and ended up screwing up with the package manager. Even the keys show as not trusted. |
| 15:19.09 | mastro | is there something better then the default network-manager for handling connection? it sucks, specially at handling VPN connections |
| 15:19.27 | mactimes | damacus But I'll follow your advice. Thanks. ;_0 |
| 15:19.37 | mactimes | ;-)* |
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| 15:21.51 | damacus | mactimes: cool beans :) btw, also noticed there's a copy at /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 15:23.04 | mactimes | damacus Nice! Much better, and easier to just make a copy. ;-) Btw, is there an automatic way to fix the keys trusting problem? |
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| 15:25.02 | damacus | try dpkg-reconfigure apt |
| 15:25.09 | damacus | that does some stuff with the gpg keys |
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| 15:25.55 | mactimes | damacus Perfect! Thank you very, very much! |
| 15:26.09 | damacus | no prob =) |
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| 15:28.46 | mactimes | damacus That solved the problem. In fact, I was trying to fix the package manager because of another issue. |
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| 15:29.14 | mactimes | damacus I'm trying to install libgtkmm-2.4-dev, but it seems there are broken packages on the repository. |
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| 15:29.24 | mactimes | damacus Any clues about it? |
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| 15:30.12 | damacus | could you provide more details of how it's failing? |
| 15:30.17 | damacus | eg a paste of installing that package |
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| 15:33.31 | jokar | hello all,I need a Debian expert for ask some personal question,anybody here for help ? |
| 15:34.08 | kaste | Hey guys is it supported to host more than one mediawiki on a debian server? |
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| 15:35.16 | Shadow`` | kaste yes but probably needs manual installations |
| 15:36.01 | mtn | jokar: best to ask your question in channel and see if anyone can help |
| 15:36.24 | jokar | I know but my question is about an idea |
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| 15:36.32 | jokar | not a problem |
| 15:36.54 | mactimes | damacus http://pastebin.com/43e0Hq1V |
| 15:37.43 | mactimes | damacus after running sudo apt-get install libgtkmm-2.4-dev |
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| 15:37.56 | damacus | did you apt-get update first? |
| 15:38.05 | damacus | esp after updating/fixing sources.list |
| 15:38.29 | kaste | Shadow``: I've already got taht setup, i was hoping that it was possible to do it within apt |
| 15:38.56 | damacus | mactimes: also pastebin apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-dev |
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| 15:39.54 | damacus | kaste: your best bet if you want to use vanilla deb is to check the installed docs from the package |
| 15:39.57 | damacus | and see if they reference it |
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| 15:40.12 | damacus | some things nativelty support multiple sites/instances, eg drupal |
| 15:40.18 | damacus | i don't know about mediawiki in particular |
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| 15:40.23 | damacus | depends on how it was packaged |
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| 15:40.33 | mactimes | damacus http://pastebin.com/uUV4QFDf |
| 15:40.41 | jokar | Excuse me,i want write an article about Debian and i need your opinion for select TOC |
| 15:41.19 | mactimes | damacus Yup, ran the update prior to trying to install. Also entered aptitude, asked to clean caches, pending actions, etc. |
| 15:41.19 | mns | jokar: TOC ? |
| 15:41.35 | jokar | mns: Topic of Content |
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| 15:42.12 | mactimes | damacus Here is the paste you asked for http://pastebin.com/uUV4QFDf |
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| 15:46.47 | damacus | mactimes: hm, well that looks OK. can you try an apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev and pastebin log? |
| 15:46.51 | moty66 | is there any easy program which can help me to make partitions from command line, something like the installer |
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| 15:47.36 | kaste | moty66: what's easy? |
| 15:47.42 | kaste | fdisk, cfdisk, parted |
| 15:47.59 | ssapphiree | guys, why would Monit show 0 memory and cpu usage while top and free in command line show normal values? don't know where else to ask, there's no monit channel.. |
| 15:48.01 | moty66 | kaste: thanks |
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| 15:48.50 | mactimes | damacus Sure! |
| 15:48.52 | moty66 | kaste: easy as the installer partition section |
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| 15:50.23 | mactimes | damacus http://pastebin.com/j9fcjUWe |
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| 15:51.22 | moty66 | kaste: which package the installer uses for doing the partitions? |
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| 15:53.54 | moty66 | got it, it is libparted (partman) |
| 15:54.21 | damacus | mactimes: hrm. keep working up the stack (the depend it wont install) |
| 15:54.29 | damacus | until you get to a base case or it installs something |
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| 15:54.50 | damacus | eg try libpango1.0-dev next |
| 15:55.09 | damacus | tho watch to see you don't get in a loop, due to cross depends |
| 15:55.11 | zeev | Hi, I need 64-bit wine, I use testing. which package should I install? for now I seem to have only wine64-bin helper package which says that I should install 32-bit wine, but I need 64 bit? what's wrong? |
| 15:55.20 | damacus | you could also try using aptitude install if it is some weird dep issue |
| 15:55.56 | mactimes | damacus I tried installing dependencies manually. I got in a loop somewhere, but I can't recall which packages. I'll do that and let you know. Thank you. ;-) |
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| 15:56.55 | moty66 | can I run the installer only to do the hd partitions? |
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| 15:59.31 | damacus | mactimes: this may help you also: http://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/02/21/debian-cleanup-tip-4-find-broken-packages-and-reinstall-them/ |
| 15:59.51 | mactimes | damacus Thank you. ;-) |
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| 16:03.04 | drachensun | I think this might of interest, its a pre-order for a Linux tablet that dual boots Android, supports XBMC, Plasma-Active and more, http://www.indiegogo.com/pengpod, there are debian images for it as well |
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| 16:04.47 | Narada | hi guys; simple question; just started using debian after years; i installed debian with gnome but now want to try bunch of other WMs like blackbox, fluxbox, xfce etc. I've installed these other WMs but they don't appear in the gdm login screen. How do I start them? |
| 16:05.21 | sney | Narada, they should appear, have you restarted gdm? |
| 16:05.34 | sney | you can change defaults with update-alternatives though |
| 16:06.05 | Narada | sney: yeah i did invoke-rc.d gdm3 restart |
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| 16:06.48 | gnarface | hah Narada. i liked that record label back in the 80's |
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| 16:07.23 | Narada | gnarface: lol; sorry never heard of them; this nick means something completely different :) |
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| 16:08.09 | Narada | sney: what's the command for update-alternatives --config? |
| 16:08.32 | sney | you mostly just want to use --list and --set with update-alternatives |
| 16:08.40 | sney | you can look in /etc/alternatives to see valid names |
| 16:10.42 | Narada | sney: thx; used sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager; let's see what happens |
| 16:10.52 | Narada | argh; should've started irssi in screen |
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| 16:12.51 | Narada | sney: no luck; still gdm and still gnome |
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| 16:13.24 | Narada | sney: do i have to reboot or something? |
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| 16:13.38 | sney | Narada, worth a shot, sometimes gnomish things are stubborn |
| 16:13.47 | sney | Narada, also what debian version is that |
| 16:13.47 | Narada | hmm k |
| 16:13.55 | Narada | argh should've started irssi on a linux server :) |
| 16:14.19 | Narada | sney: 6.0.5 on install but probably updated to 6.0.6 |
| 16:14.40 | sney | ok, squeeze, you may have better results if you replace gdm with gdm3. they're both available on squeeze |
| 16:15.02 | Narada | already using gdm3 i think |
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| 16:15.05 | Narada | it's already installed |
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| 16:17.30 | damacus | some random doc i saw mentioned /usr/share/xsessions |
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| 16:36.03 | AlexLikeRock | hola buenos dias |
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| 16:37.25 | ckt1g3r | hola , aqui solo podemos ablar ingles , AlexLikeRock |
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| 16:37.38 | neglesaks | anyone have a suggestion for invoking memtest86+ in grub menu when booting off a dvd on a newer lenovo lappy? it seems that ive lost the option somehow |
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| 16:38.38 | AlexLikeRock | yes, i write on wron chanel , tanks cktlg3r |
| 16:39.15 | ckt1g3r | try #debian-es |
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| 16:40.28 | tictacbum | hello, when I shutdown my wheezy, it takes so long on "deconfiguring network interfaces", how can I check what is going on? |
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| 16:40.50 | tictacbum | I guess it's something related to some nfs folders i have mounted |
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| 16:41.24 | d[^_^]b | howdy everyone! :) |
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| 16:41.55 | d[^_^]b | i'm using master-master replication with MySQL, right now just two servers and they entirely copy each other including mysql db itself |
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| 16:42.41 | d[^_^]b | they're on LAN and i don't have to worry about bandwidth or latency, though it would be nice to have some way to continuously check for integrity. i have nagios configured to look at the log position of each master and notify me when they drift too far |
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| 16:42.57 | ChrisH | neglesaks: if memtest is installed it should automagically show up in grub's menu.... purging memtest and installing should be one option to fix it. recreating grub config might work, too. |
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| 16:43.47 | d[^_^]b | right now the two mysql servers each have a webserver pointed at it and the router decides which webserver to use, only one or the other, and only switches when one fails |
| 16:44.35 | d[^_^]b | so only one is written to at any time, but i don't want to have to change whether it's in readonly mode or not when failover occurs, i want it to continue writing as usual hence the master-master situation |
| 16:44.42 | ChrisH | neglesaks: I missed the "booting from DVD" part, sorry. |
| 16:45.38 | d[^_^]b | now, i want to add another master but have it be the "primary", and it already has databases. all databases should be copied *from* the new master, *to* the current master-master without disturbing the present data or copying anything that already exists, back to the new master. |
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| 16:45.58 | neglesaks | ChrisH, thanks for your suggestions, i found that exiting grub allowed me to access the usual boot menu, oddly. |
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| 16:46.52 | neglesaks | ive no idea why this lappy presents a different boot menu from what im used to though. oh well. |
| 16:47.04 | jhutchins_wk | neglesaks: There is some graphical trickery to hide all that nasty technical information during boot. |
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| 16:47.21 | oo_miguel | do I need to use the proprietary nvidia driver in order to get 3d accelerated graphics on my nvidia geforce 8800 gts |
| 16:47.25 | oo_miguel | > |
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| 16:47.27 | oo_miguel | ? |
| 16:47.33 | neglesaks | yes, thats the quick boot thingy, but ive tried both options, and that didnt change it. |
| 16:47.43 | neglesaks | thanks for the suggestions. |
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| 16:48.58 | jhutchins_wk | !tell oo_miguel about nvidia |
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| 16:50.04 | ChrisH | d[^_^]b: I would recommend to ask in #mysql |
| 16:50.12 | d[^_^]b | i just did |
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| 16:52.08 | jhutchins_wk | d[^_^]b: New server should be a slave. |
| 16:53.02 | d[^_^]b | but then wouldn't be able to write updates to the new master, which happens all the time |
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| 17:09.24 | Night_Elf | Hi all. I am trying to increase the mouse polling rate, I want to reduce the lag of mouse movement in some games. It is a ps/2 mouse. The command "cat /sys/module/psmouse/parameters/rate" gives a number of 100 (Hz I suppose) which to what I have come to know is quite low. How can I change that ? |
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| 17:20.44 | mr_daniel | With "dpkg -L packagename" I can see which files a package places on the system. But how can I see which "operations" are executed to install package, e.g. create a new user with adduser or chmod some files? |
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| 17:21.52 | Goauld | i need some tok'ra |
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| 17:33.58 | mr_daniel | I want the binary "dpkg-source", but I don't know which package do I need to install. How can find that out? |
| 17:36.07 | Stummi | mr_daniel, apt-file can be a way |
| 17:36.36 | Stummi | $ apt-file search bin/dpkg-source |
| 17:36.36 | Stummi | dpkg-dev: /usr/bin/dpkg-source |
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| 17:36.58 | unrar | ohai |
| 17:37.07 | mr_daniel | cool, thanks Stummi |
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| 17:45.57 | stack | hello, in debian wheezy I noticed / mounted as a rootfs http://pastebin.com/Tp4cVbGx , is that related to thiss changes http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RunDirectory and allowing the root partition to be mounted as readonly? |
| 17:46.01 | Night_Elf | Hi all. How can I change the polling rate of a ps/2 mouse? I can see it is around 100Hz, and I want to increase it to be 250. |
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| 17:46.33 | keith4_ | stack: it might mean that you don't have an entry for / in your fstab |
| 17:47.13 | stack | keith4_: I have, /dev/mapper/b-root / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
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| 17:53.12 | ribe | are having printer issues with Wheezy? |
| 17:53.43 | ksk | ribe: what? |
| 17:54.45 | ribe | all three of my wheezy machines are having printer issues, theu simply will NOT recognize or use the printer? Stable is working fine |
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| 17:55.26 | ribe | I am using the same printer now with another machine running squeeze |
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| 17:55.41 | microtux | hi all |
| 17:55.42 | microtux | when I install a package with yum, to which folder is the rpm file downloaded ? |
| 17:56.00 | ribe | excuse me is one of the same machines, just a different hard drive with squeeze |
| 17:56.41 | ribe | microtux, YUM? you are NOT using Debian |
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| 17:58.43 | rozie | ribe: I wouldn't be so sure |
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| 17:59.14 | rozie | http://packages.debian.org/sid/yum |
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| 17:59.44 | ribe | look I am NOT a genious, just that I don't know how to use YUM on Debian |
| 18:00.05 | Night_Elf | Is ps/2 mouse poll rate a "can be changed from 100" parameter ? Ot it just is 100 and that's it ? |
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| 18:00.10 | Night_Elf | or* |
| 18:00.40 | ChrisH | ribe: you need to be more detailed on your printing issue. |
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| 18:03.36 | ribe | forgive me, I am using three machines, all using whezzy, all of a sudden, they will NOT recognize my HP Inkjet, so I can't even re-install it! then I swapped out the hard drive on one of them and running it with squeese, it sees the printer and its working great! that is why I asked? |
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| 18:06.42 | intore | hi, i've got many errors lines during shutdown of my debian squeeze: killall5: can't get program name for /proc/32***/stat. I said "many" because are 40-50 and are showed very quickly just before last message "System will now halt". Have you got any idea? |
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| 18:11.53 | ChrisH | ribe: still missing how you want to print. cups or ? |
| 18:12.15 | ribe | cups |
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| 18:13.02 | ChrisH | intore: did it happen once or allways? If only once I would treat it as a race condition between killall catching the IPs and starting to kill them and they are already gone. |
| 18:14.06 | ChrisH | ribe: you must tell us the whole story.. how are they connected are the same packages installed? I know that HP printers like hplip* packages |
| 18:14.20 | rozie | intore: ps aux > somefile then shutdown, but remember exact numbers (recording screen with camera may be helful). compare them with somefile. you probably will get the idea what program has a problem |
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| 18:17.02 | Night_Elf | So there's no way to change the polling rate of a ps/2 mouse and have it be something else than 100 Hz? Is this such a complicated task to do ? |
| 18:17.06 | ribe | the HP inkjet 1200 is connected to a wireless router, a desktop and two separate laptops have been using it for about 2 years now, (very light use) now not only will it NOT print but the machines running wheezy cant even set it up or install it. when I swap out a hard drive and run squeeze it works great! |
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| 18:18.40 | intore | ChrisH, it happens always |
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| 18:19.30 | ChrisH | ribe: can you ping the router? I assume you tried to add the printer in the cups-config page, what happens what you try to add the printer? Does it show up in lpstat -t and "only" does not print? |
| 18:19.40 | intore | rozie, i'll restart and i'll do a photo |
| 18:19.45 | ChrisH | intore: then follow rozie's suggestion |
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| 18:20.02 | intore | ChrisH, yes, i'll come back |
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| 18:21.23 | ribe | ChrisH, yes I tried re-installing it with the printing install option it sees it but nothing else! it tries to go online and get drivers, but it fails |
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| 18:22.22 | ChrisH | ribe: "go online and get drivers, but it fails"? Can you explain that more? I have not yet seen that cups goes online to get drivers. |
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| 18:34.04 | ChrisH | ribe: diff the /etc/cups/printers.conf might help you to find the difference. |
| 18:34.38 | ribe | ChrisH, sorry I had to swap drives to return to the wheezy environment... using a 64 bit Panasonic toughbook, running testing, and Gnome 3, I select the install printer option on System Tools printing, it sees my network printer, when I choose to install it, it goes looking for drivers when you choose apply it freezes and nothing happens |
| 18:34.51 | ribe | thanks I'll look in there |
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| 18:47.27 | wizardslovak | hello people |
| 18:47.48 | simonlnu | many of us are, yes. hi |
| 18:47.48 | wizardslovak | any widget type app i can add to my desktop to monitor pc stats? |
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| 18:48.02 | wizardslovak | like arch linux has |
| 18:48.15 | bazhang | conky? |
| 18:48.37 | wizardslovak | dunno |
| 18:48.42 | wizardslovak | never used one |
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| 18:56.20 | justme22 | I just did an apt-get update and rebooted with shutdown -r now. Now I cannot connect to my server any more via ssh. Any idea? |
| 18:56.51 | simonlnu | fsck in progress? |
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| 18:57.34 | justme22 | I don't think so |
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| 18:58.21 | simonlnu | was there a kernel update (hence the reboot)? |
| 18:58.27 | justme22 | I am connected via the remoteconsole now. but not sure what I should be looking for? also for some reason I do not see my /var/www directory |
| 18:58.47 | justme22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.55 | simonlnu | start up the syslogd and check the system logs |
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| 19:00.28 | rooster_rus | my keyboard layout setups change by themselves which is the big nuisance for me, especially when X beep turns on. Any ideas how to fix? |
| 19:00.29 | rooster_rus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:01.02 | justme22 | says command not found |
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| 19:01.35 | rooster_rus | I believe it's udev who drops my settings. Mostly it happens when I plug in a external keyboard. |
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| 19:02.00 | ChrisH | justme22: check uptime, did the system already boot or not? |
| 19:03.05 | sliddjur | Can I get help with ACL here or is there some special channel for those matters |
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| 19:04.46 | leo-unglaub | hey, i have font problem on my debian testing system every time if i open firefox/iceweasel. The font in the starts to get unreadable until i scroll the window |
| 19:04.47 | leo-unglaub | http://i.imagebanana.com/img/ufm7in36/Auswahl_001.png |
| 19:05.01 | leo-unglaub | this only happens on my debian system with the nvidia grafic card |
| 19:05.12 | leo-unglaub | on the same system with an ati card it works fine |
| 19:06.10 | luzido | leo-unglaub: workaround: install proprietary drivers |
| 19:06.28 | leo-unglaub | luzido: nope, never have, never will |
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| 19:08.21 | justme22 | when booting it says fsck died with exit status 8 |
| 19:08.40 | justme22 | fsck.ext4: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/md0 |
| 19:08.52 | justme22 | The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 fielsystem. |
| 19:09.21 | burek | did you use mdmadm for sw raid controller |
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| 19:10.28 | justme22 | not sure as it came preconfigured |
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| 19:11.14 | justme22 | the system has RAID 1 (SAS) |
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| 19:14.12 | ChrisH | justme22: find out how the filesystem is organized. check /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf use blkid on the existing and found devicesfiles like /dev/sda? If possible pastebin that information, maybe someone can assist you. I need to leave now. |
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| 19:16.41 | woleium | Hola! :-) |
| 19:16.53 | ckt1g3r | hola |
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| 19:17.14 | woleium | does anyone know of a way to work out what port aprocess is listening on if you can't use ps -p or lsof? |
| 19:17.24 | woleium | a process* |
| 19:17.53 | woleium | it's a bit OT i know :-$, I'm on an embedded bysybox system... |
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| 19:18.05 | woleium | busybox* |
| 19:18.06 | ckt1g3r | lsof -i |
| 19:18.15 | woleium | no lsof command :-( |
| 19:18.22 | ckt1g3r | hmmm |
| 19:18.25 | kaste | probably some find/grep in /proc ? |
| 19:18.41 | woleium | ooh, aht's a good idea |
| 19:19.00 | kaste | pretty far out though and probably might not work because your busybox find/grep are so crippled |
| 19:19.15 | kaste | how about stracing the process |
| 19:19.34 | kaste | that has a better shot of working but only if you are able to start it and don't have to analyze a running one |
| 19:19.54 | woleium | there is somethign listening on tcp/4022 of this tomato access point |
| 19:20.06 | woleium | can't identify it.. |
| 19:20.30 | woleium | I tried http and ssh |
| 19:21.19 | woleium | a grep of /proc for 4022 didn't get me anywhere :-( |
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| 19:21.55 | woleium | kaste: I cant strace it if I don;t know what it is.. al i have is the port number |
| 19:22.22 | kaste | did you telnet to it? |
| 19:22.25 | untrusted | take a look at /proc/net/tcp |
| 19:22.35 | kaste | most services give you some kind of clue of what they are |
| 19:22.51 | erann | woleium: http://trouble.org/?p=599 |
| 19:22.54 | kaste | also 4022 is dnox according to /etc/services |
| 19:23.21 | untrusted | 4022 is 0FB6 hex |
| 19:23.34 | untrusted | grep this in /proc/net/tcp |
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| 19:25.11 | woleium | that looks good eran, I'll have a go |
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| 19:25.45 | woleium | untrusted: that gives me: |
| 19:25.46 | woleium | 6: 00000000:0FB6 00000000:0000 0A 00000000:00000000 00:00000000 00000000 0 0 1568 1 87908060 300 0 0 2 -1 |
| 19:25.54 | woleium | I guess 1568 is the PID? |
| 19:26.27 | untrusted | no i think you only get the socket there |
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| 19:28.00 | untrusted | inode = 1568 |
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| 19:28.34 | untrusted | now you have to search in /proc/*/fd/* for symlink target like that: |
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| 19:28.50 | untrusted | ls -l /proc/*/fd/*|grep "socket.*1568" |
| 19:29.07 | untrusted | (hoping ls -l displays the symlink target in busybox) |
| 19:29.18 | untrusted | then you should have the pid |
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| 19:32.24 | untrusted | woleium: did that work? |
| 19:32.44 | woleium | the script works if I try it on the http pid |
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| 19:33.27 | sliddjur | Is it possible to set a default group for all files within a dir using ACL and not chgrp? |
| 19:33.28 | woleium | but when I run it on all the PID's i dont get anything. I'll try your suggestion now :-) |
| 19:33.44 | sliddjur | all new files |
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| 19:34.09 | woleium | untrusted: that gives lrwx------ 1 root root 64 Dec 31 18:05 /proc/694/fd/6 -> socket:[1568] |
| 19:34.36 | untrusted | => 694 was the pid you were looking for |
| 19:34.45 | woleium | yep, resolves to 694 root 808 S udpxy -p 4022 -c 3 -m vlan2 |
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| 19:35.06 | woleium | it's a udp multicast proxy i think |
| 19:35.38 | untrusted | makes me wonder why looking in /proc/net/tcp helped ;-) |
| 19:35.44 | woleium | is embarassed that the full command line inc 4022 was in the ps listing all along |
| 19:36.08 | woleium | still, I certainly learned someting today. Thanks untrusted :-) |
| 19:36.30 | woleium | good point |
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| 19:37.50 | woleium | it's description is: small-footprint UNIX/Linux daemon to relay multicast UDP traffic to client's TCP (HTTP) connection. |
| 19:37.55 | frankko | Can i put the needed firmware on a netboot usb stick somehow? iwlwifi and/or realtek firmwares are needed to install squeeze or wheezy but not included in the default netinstall iso. |
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| 19:38.34 | frankko | Can i just put it on the USB stick i am installing from somehow? |
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| 19:41.09 | justme_ | I did an apt-get upgrade. Now when I boot I get thrown into the maintenance console. It says "fsck.ext4: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/md0: The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 fileystem." when I leave the maintenance console everything seems to work fine.. Any ideas? |
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| 19:41.44 | dondelelcaro | frankko: yes, or you could use the netinst images which have firmware. either will work |
| 19:42.06 | dondelelcaro | frankko: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04.html.en |
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| 19:46.23 | frankko | i find no images but tars.. should i just copy those to the install medium? |
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| 19:46.36 | frankko | or unpack them in /firmware? |
| 19:46.53 | frankko | on target medium |
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| 19:47.46 | nmschulte | with Debian Sid (GNOME 3), how can I control my CPU frequency scaling? |
| 19:48.39 | nmschulte | ls /sys/devices/system/cpu/ |
| 19:48.45 | nmschulte | BAH! |
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| 20:03.32 | justme_ | I did an apt-get upgrade. Now when I boot I get thrown into the maintenance console. It says "fsck.ext4: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/md0: The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 fileystem." when I leave the maintenance console everything seems to work fine.. Any ideas? |
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| 20:06.30 | oo_miguel | can I somehow list all the packages I explicitely installed ? |
| 20:06.39 | oo_miguel | and not aptitude installed them automatically |
| 20:08.31 | untrusted | oo_miguel: see /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README |
| 20:10.02 | untrusted | oo_miguel: maybe »aptitude search '?and(?installed,?not(?automatic))'« |
| 20:11.00 | oo_miguel | untrusted: wow this really seems to work this way |
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| 20:11.32 | oo_miguel | thank you |
| 20:11.52 | untrusted | oo_miguel: always have to look into that readme myself |
| 20:12.03 | oo_miguel | I really like your syntax a lot |
| 20:12.13 | untrusted | oo_miguel: and think it is well hidden |
| 20:12.29 | oo_miguel | thought it will be some !~x~!yz thing |
| 20:12.45 | untrusted | ah, prefer the verbose version |
| 20:13.00 | oo_miguel | me too, thanks a lot |
| 20:13.11 | oo_miguel | next time Ill show it up myself, promise ;) |
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| 20:13.46 | coll2 | hi anyone know how to extend limit in resolv.conf ? |
| 20:14.44 | untrusted | coll2: why limit? retry attempts? |
| 20:14.54 | untrusted | coll2: ~s/why/which |
| 20:15.00 | coll2 | limit for 6 domains |
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| 20:17.04 | untrusted | coll2: you mean the search option? |
| 20:17.31 | coll2 | untrusted: yes |
| 20:18.56 | untrusted | coll2: don't get me wrong but sounds like mis-use? |
| 20:19.19 | coll2 | untrusted: what misuse ? |
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| 20:19.52 | untrusted | coll2: i just wonder why one would do that |
| 20:22.08 | coll2 | untrusted: i have 7 domains ? |
| 20:22.31 | untrusted | coll2: quoting the man page: "Note that this process may be slow and will generate a lot of network traffic if the servers for the ..." |
| 20:22.53 | coll2 | untrusted: i know and ? |
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| 20:23.50 | untrusted | coll2: i don't think it is a good idea - but feel free to ignore me |
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| 20:28.03 | m_ | I have switched from nVidia to Radeon graphics card. Now X wont start. How to remove/deactivate nVidia driver? |
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| 20:30.31 | untrusted | oh coll2 already gone - hmm |
| 20:30.41 | untrusted | resolv.h:# define MAXDNSRCH 6 |
| 20:32.34 | m_ | I have switched from nVidia to Radeon graphics card. Now X wont start. How to remove/deactivate nVidia driver? |
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| 20:32.59 | zinx | apt-get purge nvidia-glx |
| 20:33.07 | zinx | or maybe remove --purge, idk |
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| 20:34.46 | simonlnu | probably has a kernel driver installed still |
| 20:34.56 | simonlnu | that should work though, IIRC |
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| 20:35.33 | simonlnu | . o O ( put down the kbd, and back away slowly ) |
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| 20:36.47 | wizardslovak | which codec am i missing ,, facebook doesnt open in chromium |
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| 20:38.46 | m_ | zinx it says its not installed. I have official drivers |
| 20:39.04 | zinx | m_: ? the official drivers are packaged in debian |
| 20:39.23 | zinx | m_: if you installed them from nVidia.com instead of the debian packages, i'm afraid i can't help, sorry :( |
| 20:39.45 | m_ | zinx, Ive downloaded something from nvidia.com - a .run file |
| 20:40.07 | oo_miguel | I installed alsa but and unmuted the sound with alsamixer, still I can not hear anything.. |
| 20:40.15 | oo_miguel | any suggestions what I might forgot? |
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| 20:40.29 | zinx | m_: yeah, don't know, please use debian's packaged drivers in the future |
| 20:40.45 | m_ | isint there a way to disavle nvidia from X? |
| 20:41.13 | zinx | m_: it replaces several system libraries |
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| 20:41.23 | m_ | omg |
| 20:41.25 | zinx | the Debian packaged version handles that in the standard Debian way |
| 20:41.44 | m_ | yeah ;/ what about X conf files, isint it stated in there? |
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| 20:46.07 | JyZyXEL | if i want to store /var/log on a NFS share, what kind of options should i give the share? |
| 20:46.47 | JyZyXEL | i was thinking something like: /srv/gateway_logs gateway(rw,sync,no_subtree_check,no_root_squash) |
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| 20:49.18 | JyZyXEL | is it possible to even have /var/log on a NFS? |
| 20:49.32 | JyZyXEL | it needed on such a early phase |
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| 20:51.32 | solidus-river | hey, so where can i find info on using debuild to ignor that there is no upstream tarbal |
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| 20:52.23 | m_ | zinx just for the future, I have followed http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo with success |
| 20:52.38 | m_ | cheers |
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| 21:01.58 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 21:04.33 | initself | if you are transfering a file using scp and it reports 10.0MB/s but you are on a GB network, what is that telling you aout your network? |
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| 21:07.59 | blackness | wow, IRCing from root! |
| 21:08.10 | guardian | hello, I'm facing the current ssh bug http://lists.debian.org/debian-ssh/2010/09/msg00003.html does someone know how to workaround? it's happening when combining ProxyCommand and ControlMaster auto |
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| 21:08.46 | ompaul | VLanx: don't irc as root - it is a patented bad idea -apple will sue you for it |
| 21:09.55 | VLanx | ompaul: wait wh0t? |
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| 21:10.21 | ompaul | VLanx: go search for irc as root |
| 21:10.31 | hashashin | initself, maybe the router or switch connecting the computers is only capable of 100MBit-10.0MB/s transfer speeds.? |
| 21:10.48 | VLanx | ompaul: i'm running irc as root? |
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| 21:11.02 | ompaul | VLanx: yes |
| 21:11.07 | initself | hashashin: is 10.0MB/s equivalent to 100MBit? |
| 21:11.07 | VLanx | ompaul: i don't know, i'm just using konversation |
| 21:11.27 | hashashin | initself, yup |
| 21:11.32 | VLanx | ompaul: i didn't tweak anything |
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| 21:13.26 | ompaul | VLanx: eh it said so here - you must be logged on as root - it is a very bad idea http://paste.debian.net/207309/ friendly advise don't do it - go search like I suggested follow the nick changes |
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| 21:15.20 | VLanx | ompaul: it might be that i accidentally typed "konversation" on a sudo shell... can i be that stupid? altought it's not very clear to me how could you figure that out for me.... |
| 21:16.04 | VLanx | ompaul: brb |
| 21:16.15 | hashashin | initself, also i think you need cat 5e cable as minimal or cat 6, but i can be wrong |
| 21:16.54 | ompaul | VLanx: quit don't use sudo and get on with your life - I have no further interest in this conversation - and you shouldn't either |
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| 21:17.42 | VLanX | ompaul: now better? |
| 21:18.15 | ompaul | VLanX: yah .. and I may have made a mistake but hey it;s good :) |
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| 21:18.37 | VLanX | ompaul: wait, maybe you saw me with the nick "sysadmin" ? |
| 21:18.46 | wizardslovak | any idea why facebook doesnt show on chromium? looking on goole no fix yet? |
| 21:18.54 | ompaul | Guest87: that should have been advice for you - don't irc as root |
| 21:19.42 | ompaul | VLanX: see pm :-/ |
| 21:20.40 | wizardslovak | i did download chromium from google and still nothing |
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| 21:26.38 | dsirijus | heya, i need to build openssl0.9.8 and link it temporarily for compilation of some other lib. i've downloaded sources, ran ./configure, then make. shouldn't i have .so somewhere? |
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| 21:26.49 | dsirijus | i have just openssl.pc and .a |
| 21:28.03 | nvz | wizardslovak: upgrade your browser.. |
| 21:28.13 | wizardslovak | yea got chrome package works now |
| 21:28.28 | nvz | find that hard to believe |
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| 21:30.20 | wizardslovak | nvz, ?? |
| 21:30.57 | dsirijus | or, can i at least apt-get remove openssl1.0.0 without removing half of my system with it? |
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| 21:31.11 | i0x71 | hey, can someone suggest why this happens: http://pastebin.com/UHZN3Te9 |
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| 21:33.43 | neglesaks | what hard disk and file system are you using i0x71 ? |
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| 21:36.20 | i0x71 | neglesaks: scsi drives with ext4 |
| 21:36.31 | neglesaks | you have a block device that is distressed somehow |
| 21:36.38 | i0x71 | neglesaks: what does the message itself mean ? |
| 21:36.43 | neglesaks | what kernel are you running? |
| 21:36.50 | i0x71 | 3.6.6 |
| 21:37.04 | i0x71 | neglesaks: distressed as it there is too much io ? |
| 21:37.12 | neglesaks | "sync_inodes_sb+0x99/0xd0" inodes are filesystem data structures |
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| 21:37.26 | neglesaks | im thinking hardware failure, but im grasping for straws |
| 21:37.43 | neglesaks | 3.6.6 is a devlopment kernel is it not? |
| 21:38.24 | i0x71 | hmm, its stable |
| 21:38.31 | neglesaks | are you running RAID or LVM of some sort on your drives? |
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| 21:39.10 | i0x71 | neglesaks: yup, its a hardware raid with 2 drives |
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| 21:40.09 | i0x71 | neglesaks: with lvm on top |
| 21:40.53 | i0x71 | neglesaks: so what does the error itself mean ? unable to write to some inodes ? |
| 21:41.00 | neglesaks | what symptoms are your setup experiencing? |
| 21:41.28 | infernix | how much GB is a local repository mirror for just squeeze? |
| 21:41.32 | neglesaks | yes, seems so though im not a filesystem expert |
| 21:41.50 | infernix | can't find any pointers in the mirror repository docs |
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| 21:42.46 | nvz | !dstats squeeze |
| 21:42.56 | i0x71 | neglesaks: it appears that this happens when the io is not fast enough |
| 21:43.07 | i0x71 | neglesaks: according to this https://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=2389678 |
| 21:43.08 | nvz | !dstats stable |
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| 21:43.47 | nvz | infernix: about 30GB |
| 21:45.02 | infernix | that's doable. gracias |
| 21:45.06 | nvz | infernix: if you have internet but are just looking to solve the problem of not repeatedly downloading the same package for different machines, then you don't need a full mirror, you need a proxy |
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| 21:45.30 | nvz | infernix: the proxy also allows updates to still get through easily |
| 21:46.01 | nvz | not to mention you'll never have or download anything you dont need |
| 21:46.19 | infernix | nvz: cobbler deployments |
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| 21:46.29 | jaggz | how can I start a loopback from one port to another (so I can connect to remote server port X and it will forward to its local port Y) .. WITHOUT using the SSH login on the remote server where I have to enter the password... I have been using ssh -g -L 1111:localhost:25 localhost '(echo -e "smtp loopback is running here"; cat)' |
| 21:46.33 | infernix | so need a mirror :> |
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| 21:46.50 | blackness | make sure you secure that proxy. thousands of people scan for em daily :P |
| 21:47.20 | jaggz | also, I'm not keen on setting up a root->root key in ssh .. I'm figuring, at startup-script time I have root access, isn't there something which can forward these ports? |
| 21:47.20 | nvz | infernix: I'd say for cobbler deployment you'd need a fork and some milk.. but then again I thought cobbler was a dessert |
| 21:47.23 | infernix | need to have local repository mirrors of main non-free and contrib, as well as security |
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| 21:48.11 | infernix | nvz: it's a management tool for managing pxe installs, from the RPM camp. it works quite well actually, ubuntu has a package for it that backports reasonably well to even squeeze |
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| 21:48.46 | infernix | takes the hassle out of installing a full rack. can do dozens of servers in under an hour |
| 21:48.59 | nvz | read "managing pie installs" |
| 21:49.19 | infernix | pie is what you eat while you watch it do your work |
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| 21:53.57 | infernix | !dstats stable |
| 21:54.19 | infernix | nvz: any way to drill down on those stats? I actually just need squeeze amd64 |
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| 22:00.38 | Posterdati | please I need help with kde automount for usb floppy disk drives, there's no way to make kde see that drive... thanks for help |
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| 22:01.27 | nvz | infernix: its gonna be around 30gb.. simple enough to just count the number of ISOs on the mirror |
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| 22:02.14 | nvz | there are 50 or so which ammounts to about 30GB |
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| 22:08.51 | infernix | nvz: good point :) |
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| 22:15.02 | Leoneof | Posterdati: just curious question, can you mount internal partitions in Dolphin? |
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| 22:19.38 | Posterdati | Leoneof: no |
| 22:19.51 | Leoneof | Posterdati: why? any idea? |
| 22:20.01 | Posterdati | no |
| 22:20.08 | Leoneof | :[ |
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| 22:20.31 | Posterdati | I see the system hd, the external usb hd and and an usb key |
| 22:20.44 | Posterdati | but no internal floppy or the usb floppy |
| 22:20.53 | Leoneof | :[ |
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| 22:28.53 | jhutchins_wk | Posterdati: Is there anything in the drive? |
| 22:29.40 | Posterdati | yes a floppy |
| 22:30.29 | nvz | what's a-- "floppy"? heh |
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| 22:32.59 | Leoneof | jhutchins_wk, nvz, there are really bug in either: kdebase, hal, or policykit |
| 22:33.06 | Leoneof | KDE 4.4.5 |
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| 22:36.17 | Leoneof | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=219996 |
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| 22:37.10 | jhutchins_wk | Leoneof: I've given up on kde. |
| 22:37.14 | Nghtshv | anyone here??? |
| 22:37.28 | Nghtshv | i been talking in many channels and no ones said 1 word wth |
| 22:37.44 | jhutchins_wk | Leoneof: It seems like they look for anything that worked well in 3.5 and deliberately break it. |
| 22:38.26 | Leoneof | i have to wait long time to use wheezy with KDE :( |
| 22:38.46 | jhutchins_wk | Leoneof: dmesg or syslog say anything about the floppy? |
| 22:38.58 | Nghtshv | im in squeeze :D |
| 22:39.13 | Nghtshv | Linux IRIS-P3 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Sun May 6 04:01:19 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:39.13 | Leoneof | jhutchins_wk: it is not my problem, it was Posterdati |
| 22:39.27 | Leoneof | Nghtshv: using KDE ? |
| 22:39.28 | Nghtshv | ^^ |
| 22:39.29 | Nghtshv | no |
| 22:39.32 | Nghtshv | xfce |
| 22:39.36 | Nghtshv | and awesome |
| 22:39.50 | Leoneof | :) |
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| 22:41.09 | Nghtshv | 500mhz intel p3 with 80gb hdd and 512mb ram |
| 22:41.12 | jhutchins_wk | Leoneof: Long day. |
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| 22:45.50 | Nghtshv | hey anyone here |
| 22:46.06 | nvz | nope |
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| 22:46.11 | Nghtshv | busted hi |
| 22:46.22 | nvz | not yet, but I'm working on it |
| 22:46.43 | Nghtshv | Linux IRIS-P3 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Sun May 6 04:01:19 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:46.45 | Nghtshv | see |
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| 22:47.09 | nvz | yeah, seen that twice now.. and no more inclined to care or know what it means than the last time |
| 22:47.27 | Nghtshv | its my debian |
| 22:47.31 | Nghtshv | :*( |
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| 22:47.38 | nvz | and your point is? |
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| 22:47.51 | Nghtshv | this is debian user channel only |
| 22:47.54 | res22 | I have 2 servers, one with a net install and one with a standard install. The /etc/apt/sources.list are the same, yet after doing apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, the net-install seems to be outdated (according to /proc/version), any ideas what I'm missing? |
| 22:48.09 | nvz | Linux a1 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 09:49:36 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:48.35 | Nghtshv | Linux a1 ? |
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| 22:48.50 | nvz | uh, yeah.. |
| 22:49.12 | Nghtshv | a1 = android ? |
| 22:49.34 | nvz | a1 = the hostname of my machine.. why idk because its suppose to be diablo.. but something got confused |
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| 22:50.02 | Nghtshv | he plays diablo yay |
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| 22:50.21 | nvz | not a chance.,. my case was made by diablotek |
| 22:50.33 | jhutchins_wk | res22: Sounds like you have different kernels installed, or a different kernel metapackage. |
| 22:50.37 | nvz | and I was too unoriginal to come up with a name for the bo |
| 22:50.43 | nvz | box other than what was on the front |
| 22:50.46 | Nghtshv | if(($nvz)) { then 1 = TRUE } |
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| 22:51.25 | nvz | a1 was the hostname of my aspireone netbook.. |
| 22:51.32 | Nghtshv | aww |
| 22:51.34 | Nghtshv | cute |
| 22:51.42 | nvz | still don't see what this has to do with the price of tea in china |
| 22:51.46 | res22 | jhutchins_wk: so how could I synchronise the kernels? |
| 22:52.06 | jhutchins_wk | well, which kernel is on what? What kernel packages are installed? |
| 22:52.46 | jhutchins_wk | res22: Which part of version is off, and what does each say? |
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| 22:53.22 | jhutchins_wk | res22: Do you have 26 on one and 32 on the other? (IIRC squeeze has always been 32) |
| 22:54.06 | res22 | http://pastebin.com/a8sSUWcx |
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| 22:54.13 | res22 | jhutchins_wk: ^ |
| 22:54.53 | Nghtshv | res22: try res22ing it :) |
| 22:54.56 | n2diy | Squeeze comes with Open Office, I thought that was now Libre Office? |
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| 22:56.01 | chemistrydioxide | Good evening/morning/afternoon, can someone help me? I'm having trouble with printing. My jobs just don't print and I don't know why. Cups shows the job status as "verarbeitet seit Mi 07 Nov 2012 23:46:34 CET "Sending data to printer."" but the printer just doesn't print |
| 22:56.12 | somiaj | n2diy: squeeze is frozen, so it comes with the software it had at the time of the freeze |
| 22:56.20 | nvz | n2diy: they're two totally different things with two totally diff lisc |
| 22:57.18 | somiaj | n2diy: So after the fork if you want libreoffice (for license reasons or ffeatures) you can get a version from squeeze-backports. |
| 22:57.28 | res22 | rebooted and gcc and the kernel are still outdated |
| 22:58.04 | somiaj | chemistrydioxide: dose the printer pass it's own self test. |
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| 22:58.13 | n2diy | somiaj, ok, thanks, nvz, yes I was aware of the license issue from when Ubuntu made the change. |
| 22:58.20 | nvz | n2diy: openoffice.org is now openoffice.org.. nothing changed but the lisc... libreoffice is a fork |
| 22:58.43 | chemistrydioxide | somiaj: YOu mean, I should print a test page? |
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| 22:59.01 | nvz | they all stem from Sun's star office.. can track the lineage on the wikipedia article |
| 22:59.23 | somiaj | chemistrydioxide: many printers have some self diagonsitc test pages -- I would start there. (but you could also try to print a testpage from cups) |
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| 22:59.55 | nvz | well correction openoffice.org is now apache openoffice |
| 22:59.56 | somiaj | openoffice is not part of debian wheezy onward (the package points to libreoffice to help in the migration) |
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| 23:00.52 | nvz | which still seems to have a DFSG compatible lisc.. |
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| 23:04.01 | chemistrydioxide | somiaj: No, that doesn't work. |
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| 23:04.29 | somiaj | chemistrydioxide: from cups? Have you tried to do the self diagnostic test page from the printer? |
| 23:05.43 | chemistrydioxide | I tried both, and neither works |
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| 23:07.32 | chemistrydioxide | btw, cups gave up on my first job saying: unerledigt seit Mi 07 Nov 2012 23:46:34 CET "Unable to send data to printer." |
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| 23:09.13 | chemistrydioxide | This is interesting |
| 23:09.38 | chemistrydioxide | the self-test page shows up as "beendet am Do 08 Nov 2012 00:08:39 CET" although it didn't work either |
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| 23:10.41 | somiaj | if the printer self test doesn't work, that is that first thing you need to fix. |
| 23:10.50 | chemistrydioxide | how? |
| 23:10.55 | somiaj | i.e. something is wrong in the hardware of the printer iteslf |
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| 23:11.02 | somiaj | I don't know, read the manual to your printer |
| 23:11.15 | chemistrydioxide | umm |
| 23:11.21 | chemistrydioxide | I don't have a manual |
| 23:11.38 | somiaj | yea unforntally hardware support is kinda off topic here, sometimes you can look it up online (should tell you some basic trouble shooting techniques to getting the self test to work) |
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| 23:11.57 | chemistrydioxide | well, I thought it was a software issue |
| 23:12.32 | somiaj | I'm not saying there isn't a software issue as well. I am just saying in terms of printers the first thing is to have the printer test itself. Make sure that is not the issue. In your case it is. |
| 23:13.07 | chemistrydioxide | As a matter of fact, my yellow ink is empty. Could that prevent a greyscale document from printing? |
| 23:13.11 | somiaj | as in that self test should work no matter what software. |
| 23:13.40 | chemistrydioxide | I was able to print fine without yellow before |
| 23:13.41 | somiaj | it shouldn't, but sometimes printers don't like to work if their hardware detects missing ink. Again this is support questions for your printer or its manual |
| 23:13.51 | chemistrydioxide | And now it stopped working... |
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| 23:14.04 | chemistrydioxide | yeah, which I don't have |
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| 23:14.34 | somiaj | as I said, use google. can usually find .pdf from the manufacture online |
| 23:14.53 | chemistrydioxide | yeah, Iĺl try that now. |
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| 23:15.15 | chemistrydioxide | And someone has to fix the memory leak in KDE4. This is annoying. |
| 23:15.50 | ssapphiree | guys, I'm trying to start vnc4server from Monit, and it fails like this: 'Xvnc4' start: /usr/bin/vnc4server \ 'Xvnc4' failed to start. But launching it myself from ssh console will succeed. Why can that happen? |
| 23:15.50 | chemistrydioxide | s/KDE4/kded4/ |
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| 23:16.19 | ssapphiree | sadly monit doesn't give any more logs |
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| 23:23.46 | Uuni | I'm in love with Emma Watson |
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| 23:24.09 | chemistrydioxide | That Epson manual is crap |
| 23:24.22 | chemistrydioxide | "2. Make sure letter-size plain paper is loaded in the printer." |
| 23:24.27 | LtL | Uuni: offtopic bro, who's that anyway |
| 23:24.47 | chemistrydioxide | unfortunately, I don't have any A3-size paper to cut to letter-size |
| 23:24.51 | LtL | chemistrydioxide: does dmesg see the printer? |
| 23:24.53 | streuner | Uuni: someone out of Vampire Diaries said, you only in love when somebody give that back... |
| 23:25.07 | Uuni | Heh, I was using /amsg |
| 23:25.19 | Uuni | I don't really talk in her much anymore |
| 23:25.23 | Uuni | I just idleeeee |
| 23:25.26 | Uuni | Heh heh heh heh |
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| 23:26.57 | chemistrydioxide | LtL: dmesg doesn't, but lsusb does |
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| 23:28.00 | chemistrydioxide | And Epson seems to be unaware of ISO standards ... They can't expect anyone in the world to use letter paper |
| 23:28.03 | LtL | chemistrydioxide: well thats a good start. experiment with drivers provided the printer works. |
| 23:28.27 | streuner | chemistrydioxide: epson doesnt give a damn about Linux... |
| 23:28.46 | chemistrydioxide | I think that the printer is a bit upset about my ink |
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| 23:29.05 | streuner | sell it, and buy something which is supported |
| 23:29.17 | LtL | chemistrydioxide: if you have black, i doubt that's the problem. |
| 23:29.31 | chemistrydioxide | The printer used to work before and now it stopped working |
| 23:29.58 | chemistrydioxide | If I follow the instructions from the manual for printing a self-test page, I still get nothing |
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| 23:30.24 | chemistrydioxide | Well, I omitted the part "insert letter-size paper" |
| 23:31.29 | chemistrydioxide | So... it is a hardware issue that is in no way related to Linux or Cups ... probably the printer doesn't like my black ink which is in fact blue |
| 23:31.46 | streuner | chemistrydioxide: i have a webcam, rather OSX or Linux or Windows 7 supports its now... |
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| 23:32.22 | streuner | chemistrydioxide: just change it in the cups config |
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| 23:32.46 | streuner | chemistrydioxide: localhost:631 |
| 23:32.49 | chemistrydioxide | You mean, I can print if I only use blue? |
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| 23:33.39 | streuner | chemistrydioxide: no, 2 options, a) you want black/white or colour |
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| 23:34.22 | chemistrydioxide | The point is, that at the moment, I only got red and blue |
| 23:34.23 | LtL | chemistrydioxide: long shot but does the line printer work? like, cat shortfile |lpr |
| 23:34.52 | chemistrydioxide | And I put the blue ink cartridge into the black slot |
| 23:34.52 | streuner | chemistrydioxide: well, you choosed colour then |
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| 23:35.13 | streuner | chemistrydioxide: oh |
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| 23:36.04 | streuner | chemistrydioxide: why, just get some black ink, but wait, its an epson.... |
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| 23:36.21 | chemistrydioxide | Yeah, it's what I'm going to do |
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| 23:36.45 | chemistrydioxide | I just need to print something by tomorrow that can't wait |
| 23:36.57 | chemistrydioxide | Well, seems I have to use another printer for that |
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| 23:37.19 | streuner | chemistrydioxide: sure |
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| 23:38.42 | streuner | chemistrydioxide: epson and canon use another system to spend ink... |
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| 23:39.17 | chemistrydioxide | streuner: ? |
| 23:39.32 | chemistrydioxide | "another system to spend ink"? |
| 23:39.47 | streuner | chemistrydioxide: it isnt easy to fulfill ink into the cartrighe |
| 23:39.47 | chemistrydioxide | I don't get what you mean? |
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| 23:39.58 | chemistrydioxide | ah |
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| 23:41.22 | streuner | chemistrydioxide: anyway, if the driver works at all on these hardware, its pretty expensive |
| 23:41.23 | m4sker | ... |
| 23:42.12 | chemistrydioxide | What do you mean is expensive? The driver or the hardware? |
| 23:42.18 | streuner | chemistrydioxide: and canon and/or epson doesnt support usually Linux very well... |
| 23:42.26 | chemistrydioxide | As a matter of fact, the driver does work |
| 23:42.37 | streuner | chemistrydioxide: ink |
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| 23:42.59 | chemistrydioxide | You want to say, the driver wastes my ink? |
| 23:43.05 | streuner | no |
| 23:43.26 | chemistrydioxide | Then I don't get what you mean |
| 23:43.35 | chemistrydioxide | Nothing about this printer is expensive |
| 23:43.55 | chemistrydioxide | I can get new ink for around €1 |
| 23:45.23 | streuner | chemistrydioxide: it isnt easy to refill the ink into a canon or epson, because the ink and the Nozzle are a complete part of the system |
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| 23:45.56 | streuner | chemistrydioxide: vice versa, sorry |
| 23:46.36 | chemistrydioxide | WEll, I haven't tried that because new ink cartridges for this printer are quite cheap any way |
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| 23:47.21 | n2diy | I'm switching from Xubuntu, and I have a bare bones install with XFCE4 running, but my terminal isn't displaying its menus. Which I could live with out if the font size was larger. |
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| 23:47.59 | n2diy | bare bones squeeze. |
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| 23:48.11 | streuner | chemistrydioxide: i meant, if you use an HP, the Nozzle is just there, if the Nozzle is broken, it isnt expensive |
| 23:48.20 | chemistrydioxide | n2diy: Which terminal? |
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| 23:49.52 | n2diy | chemistrydioxide, I think it is X terminal emulator, at least that is its description under properties. |
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| 23:50.22 | chemistrydioxide | n2diy: Which X terminal emulator? xterm? konsole? gterm? |
| 23:51.00 | streuner | chemistrydioxide: there is an Xfce Terminal-Emulator |
| 23:51.14 | chemistrydioxide | ah, ok |
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| 23:51.57 | streuner | chemistrydioxide: should be usually the same as the gnome-terminal |
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| 23:53.00 | n2diy | chemistrydioxide, I right click on its panel icon, select properties, and it lists the description i wrote above, the entry in the command box is "exo-open --launch TerminalEmulator" |
| 23:53.16 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 23:54.19 | chemistrydioxide | Agiofws: hi! |
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| 23:56.30 | n2diy | chemistydioxide, I just tried installing xterm with apt-get, and was told it is already installed. |
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| 23:57.28 | streuner | n2diy: default in XFCE is Xfce Terminal-Emulator |
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| 23:58.38 | streuner | n2diy: well, i never had any problems with Xfce Terminal-Emulator |
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