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| 00:00.20 | mentor | eh? |
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| 00:00.34 | jelly-home | thanks |
| 00:00.35 | nerdistmonk | so how does one get wine 32bit to build in debian 64bit? it keeps griping about freetype but i cant install the 32bit version without killing the whole system...(the -dev packages are not co-installable) |
| 00:01.04 | themill | cemil: Please play elsewhere. |
| 00:01.51 | mentor | went into a nasty parser loop there |
| 00:02.15 | tubaman | nerdistmonk, you could debootstrap a 32-bit version of debian |
| 00:02.20 | gnarface | nerdistmonk: depending on your debian version maybe you can install ia32-libs ia32-libs-dev ia32-libs-gtk still and whatever lib32* packages you need |
| 00:02.33 | nerdistmonk | dude its multiarch all of that is gone |
| 00:02.38 | mentor | nerdistmonk: Don't co-install them? |
| 00:03.04 | gnarface | nerdistmonk: not in squeeze its not |
| 00:03.04 | mentor | Has freetype been multiarched yet? |
| 00:03.10 | nerdistmonk | Im on sid..... |
| 00:03.27 | jelly-home | I'd be inclined to side with the chroot method for now |
| 00:03.51 | peterS | everything that used to be in ia32-libs has been multiarch'd, I think, in sid. |
| 00:03.58 | nerdistmonk | except for freetype |
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| 00:03.59 | nerdistmonk | ... |
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| 00:04.03 | peterS | maybe not everything in ia32-libs-gtk and the like |
| 00:04.12 | gnarface | i'm still missing stuff |
| 00:04.17 | gnarface | i think |
| 00:04.17 | mentor | ia32-libs is multiarch |
| 00:04.22 | mentor | ia32-libs-gtk isn't |
| 00:04.27 | K`zan | Hi folks, need to remove iceweasel, how does one do that? TMIA! |
| 00:04.32 | nerdistmonk | yes but not freetype.......so point is cant build cause of one file |
| 00:04.49 | K`zan | apt-get remove iceweasel does nothing... |
| 00:05.03 | peterS | what? libfreetype6 has certainly been multiarch'd |
| 00:05.12 | mentor | K`zan: What does dpkg -l iceweasel say? |
| 00:05.15 | nerdistmonk | not the -dev package |
| 00:05.20 | peterS | I didn't say the -dev package |
| 00:05.20 | nerdistmonk | its not multiarch |
| 00:05.27 | nerdistmonk | yes and thats my whole point..... |
| 00:05.29 | peterS | lots of -dev packages aren't multiarch. most -dev packages, even. |
| 00:05.33 | K`zan | mentor, thanks, checking... |
| 00:05.34 | nerdistmonk | you need the -dev package to build |
| 00:05.35 | peterS | so don't install the 64-bit -dev package, then |
| 00:05.43 | nerdistmonk | so in otherwords multiarch is worthless |
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| 00:05.48 | peterS | yep |
| 00:05.56 | mentor | It's not done yet |
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| 00:06.09 | peterS | apparently if you need both the 64-bit and the 32-bit libfreetype-dev packages at the same time, the "multiarch is worthless". |
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| 00:06.13 | peterS | I guess we have been trolled |
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| 00:06.20 | nerdistmonk | ok.... |
| 00:06.34 | K`zan | mentor: much, couple lines to follow: |
| 00:06.36 | K`zan | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 00:06.36 | K`zan | | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |
| 00:06.36 | K`zan | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 00:06.42 | mentor | Don't do that |
| 00:06.46 | peterS | so you did or didn't try uninstalling the 64-bit libfreetype-dev package yet? |
| 00:06.47 | K`zan | Then lists the ideweasel package. |
| 00:06.48 | pparadis | !pastebin |
| 00:06.48 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 00:06.54 | K`zan | Ah, thanks! |
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| 00:07.01 | nerdistmonk | i cant take that out because i need for programs that need the amd64 version |
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| 00:07.11 | mentor | K`zan: More importantly, you can look at the output yourself |
| 00:07.18 | peterS | nerdistmonk: what programs? Usually a -dev package is only useful while you're actually building something |
| 00:07.29 | nerdistmonk | exactly.... |
| 00:07.32 | nerdistmonk | i build things... |
| 00:07.38 | mentor | All at the same time? |
| 00:07.40 | peterS | so, uninstall it |
| 00:07.44 | peterS | then install the 32-bit stuff you need |
| 00:07.47 | peterS | then later you can go back |
| 00:08.00 | K`zan | mentor: Apologies, pastebin: http://paste.debian.net/182663/ |
| 00:08.05 | mentor | nerdistmonk: Multiarch isn't done yet |
| 00:08.14 | nerdistmonk | cant take it out |
| 00:08.19 | nerdistmonk | it wants to remove other parts of the system |
| 00:08.26 | themill | peterS: interesting blocker for multiarch, given the maintainer of said package |
| 00:08.27 | peterS | then for someone of your abilities, multiarch is worthless |
| 00:08.33 | nerdistmonk | and trying to install 32bit version results in removal of half the system |
| 00:08.44 | peterS | themill: it isn't a blocker. -dev packages are explicitly not targeted for multiarch for now |
| 00:08.44 | nerdistmonk | my abilities....lol never brought them up but thats fine |
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| 00:09.03 | gnarface | nerdistmonk: uh... if you're on sid why not just use the pre-built wine? |
| 00:09.06 | themill | peterS: well... there are quite a lot that have been converted |
| 00:09.18 | nerdistmonk | too old (1.5.6), i need at least 1.5.8 |
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| 00:09.56 | gnarface | nerdistmonk: there's a trick you can use to update a source package to a newer minor revision upstream source tarball |
| 00:10.18 | K`zan | mentor: Not at all clear what I get from dpkg there. doing apt-get remove gets me this: http://paste.debian.net/182664/ |
| 00:10.22 | gnarface | nerdistmonk: i forget exactly the commands but it involves uupdate |
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| 00:10.34 | nerdistmonk | i tried the whole pulling the 1.5.6 debian source and coping the /debian directory, hit a snag when it built 1.5.6 anyways and ignore the new source |
| 00:10.54 | jelly-home | gnarface: uupdate does not automagically make it build from the wrong side of an multiarch env |
| 00:11.02 | gnarface | ah |
| 00:11.05 | nerdistmonk | yeah it makes a mess when i tried it |
| 00:11.10 | nerdistmonk | it made the 64bit pure version |
| 00:11.20 | nerdistmonk | no 32bit unfortunately |
| 00:11.24 | mentor | K`zan: Apt is in the middle of doing something else which it needs to finish first |
| 00:11.25 | gnarface | tragic |
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| 00:11.35 | zifnab | i can't wait until 32bit support gets dropped :| |
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| 00:11.38 | zifnab | SOME DAY |
| 00:11.39 | K`zan | mentor: thanks checking. |
| 00:11.48 | nerdistmonk | lol that wont happen for about 10 years |
| 00:11.50 | jelly-home | man, who cares about wine, I wasn't able to build a _kernel_ package properly |
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| 00:12.06 | nerdistmonk | im on kernel 3.4.7 |
| 00:12.14 | zifnab | nerdistmonk: 2038, time rolls over to 0 |
| 00:12.15 | K`zan | mentor: no instances of apt running... |
| 00:12.16 | nerdistmonk | was going to go to 3.6 but the nvidia drivers wont work with it yet |
| 00:12.18 | zifnab | i'm assumign that is when it will happen |
| 00:12.31 | mentor | K`zan: That doens't mean it's not in the middle of doing something |
| 00:12.40 | peterS | zifnab: not true. it rolls over to 1902. |
| 00:12.47 | pparadis | nerdistmonk: is there a functional reason for what you're running, or is it simply an advanced case of SNS? |
| 00:12.49 | mentor | K`zan: apt tells you what it's doing in the output it gives |
| 00:12.52 | jelly-home | it's not too much to ask for make-kpkg or make deb-pkg to create a *-amd64_*_i386.deb, is it <g> |
| 00:12.54 | zifnab | peterS: the counter, which is currently around 1,344,384,740, rolls over to 0 |
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| 00:13.22 | zifnab | 4294967296 rolls to 0, and time goes back to 1902 |
| 00:13.23 | peterS | zifnab: not true. it rolls over to a negative number that, if you read it as number of seconds since 1970, puts you in late 1901 or early 1902 |
| 00:13.30 | nerdistmonk | i needed 3.4.7 or better because of bug in nouveau causing me grief, as for wine, i need 1.5.8 or better for certain programs to work correctly |
| 00:13.56 | jelly-home | nerdistmonk: debootstrap is fun! |
| 00:13.58 | peterS | zifnab: what you're missing is that it is a signed number. 2147483647 seconds plus 1 equals -2147483648 seconds |
| 00:14.15 | peterS | if it were unsigned, we'd have 68 years longer than we have |
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| 00:14.36 | zifnab | hrm. i thought it was unsigned |
| 00:14.45 | jelly-home | peterS: don't give him ideas for quick fixes |
| 00:15.14 | peterS | nope. multiply it out. it's signed. 2 billion seconds, divided by 365 days, divided by 24 hours, divided by 60 minutes, divided by 60 seconds, is 68 years |
| 00:15.21 | peterS | add 1970 and you get 2038 |
| 00:15.38 | zifnab | i guess you are correct |
| 00:15.43 | zifnab | damn :| |
| 00:15.54 | beardy | In peterS we trust. |
| 00:15.58 | gnarface | but obviously that IS only a limitation due to it being a *32-bit* integer |
| 00:16.04 | gnarface | which isn't a strict requirement on 64-bit systems |
| 00:16.21 | zifnab | either way, 32bit dies in 2038 |
| 00:16.27 | mentor | It isn't entirely a requirement on 32-bit systems either |
| 00:16.34 | mentor | It's just a bit more tedious |
| 00:16.35 | zifnab | meaning, we have an additional 16 years of this multiarch crap to deal with |
| 00:16.35 | peterS | gnarface: it also isn't a requirement on win32, which is what I thought we were talking about. Windows NT uses a 64-bit time value based on 100-nanosecond quantities, if I remember correctly |
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| 00:17.18 | peterS | in other words, 10,000,000 per second. Divide that into a 64-bit number and it will last for quite a long time |
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| 00:17.39 | K`zan | mentor: solution was to remove google-chrome first and then I was able to remove iceweasel. Thanks for your help! |
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| 00:17.59 | peterS | looks like Win32 time values will be good for another 58000 years or so |
| 00:18.07 | themill | shame |
| 00:18.12 | peterS | so we will still need to build wine for i386 for ... quite awhile, I guess |
| 00:18.13 | jelly-home | good forward-thinking from MS |
| 00:18.27 | mentor | tries to dance with K`zan, but notices he has left |
| 00:18.28 | zifnab | however, metro is not good forward thinking |
| 00:18.40 | mentor | Left hanging again |
| 00:18.43 | nerdistmonk | yes heaven forbid you support an emulator thats bringing your main source of new users, total shame |
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| 00:18.54 | jelly-home | dpkg: dance with mentor |
| 00:18.54 | dpkg | jelly-home: I give up, what is it? |
| 00:19.01 | mentor | :'( |
| 00:19.11 | beardy | Wine is not an emulator. |
| 00:19.25 | zifnab | wine is not an emulator is not an emulator |
| 00:19.29 | peterS | nerdistmonk: you're saying Debian should emulate Ubuntu? |
| 00:19.31 | nkuttler | wine is bringing new users? |
| 00:19.38 | nerdistmonk | it has been for years now |
| 00:19.48 | zifnab | i gave up on it, i'm on windows 7 still |
| 00:19.50 | zifnab | servers run debian though |
| 00:19.51 | abrotman | people still use wine?! |
| 00:19.54 | jelly-home | <dpkg> Factoid search of 'mentor' by key (7): #debian mentorgender # wha |
| 00:20.03 | beardy | peterS: You're saying Ubuntu would have any users without Debian? |
| 00:20.03 | abrotman | w/in 13 |
| 00:20.20 | zifnab | ubuntu still pulls all patches from ubuntu |
| 00:20.28 | peterS | beardy: I'm saying someone mentioned "your main source of new users", and that statement obviously means Ubuntu, not Wine |
| 00:20.34 | zifnab | mainversion-debversion_ubuntuversion |
| 00:20.39 | nerdistmonk | Wine....... |
| 00:21.06 | jelly-home | Wine is not an emulator is not what Wine stands for any more |
| 00:21.09 | nerdistmonk | though ubuntu + wine might as well be together since debian cant compile wine (other than pure 64bit) without using chroot or debootstrap |
| 00:21.12 | zifnab | GNU is not unix |
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| 00:21.31 | pparadis | mumbles something about most of this conversation maybe being better suited for #debian-offtopic |
| 00:21.36 | beardy | It must just be that you're doing it wrong. |
| 00:21.46 | nerdistmonk | multiarch is a case of doing it wrong |
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| 00:21.57 | abrotman | nerdistmonk: do it better |
| 00:22.04 | nerdistmonk | fedora already has? |
| 00:22.04 | urv | finger urv |
| 00:22.05 | peterS | nerdistmonk: you act like building packages in a chroot is an uncommon thing. I do it all the time. It keeps me from having to install dozens of -dev packages on my main system all the time. And yes, I maintain separate chroots for 64-bit and 32-bit environments. |
| 00:22.05 | nerdistmonk | lol |
| 00:22.06 | jelly-home | it's a case of doing it right, WAY too late |
| 00:22.25 | zifnab | peterS: real men install systems using debootstrap |
| 00:22.35 | zifnab | from a gentoo boot disk |
| 00:22.41 | abrotman | what does one have to do with the other? |
| 00:22.46 | ManoftheSea | from gentu? |
| 00:22.47 | ManoftheSea | nah. |
| 00:22.53 | ManoftheSea | From a previous Debian System. |
| 00:22.54 | peterS | zifnab: well, I do that too. errrr, not the gentoo part. I use debootstrap on the virt host |
| 00:23.01 | zifnab | all our VMs are |
| 00:23.14 | peterS | I mean, we're not all still installing on _physical hardware_ these days, are we? |
| 00:23.29 | zifnab | i actually just upgraded to xen-4.0 finally at work |
| 00:23.30 | ManoftheSea | has a laptop that runs Xen |
| 00:23.40 | jelly-home | peterS: it's all physical somewhere down there |
| 00:23.46 | abrotman | creep |
| 00:23.54 | beardy | What he said. And, that's what she said. |
| 00:24.11 | beardy | x2 |
| 00:24.14 | aidalgol | OOC, what do people usually use Xen for aside from hosting servers? |
| 00:24.22 | abrotman | testing ? |
| 00:24.31 | ManoftheSea | uses it to play Alpha Centauri |
| 00:24.32 | aidalgol | oh, right. duh... |
| 00:24.34 | zifnab | oh god, i should update our users page |
| 00:24.34 | peterS | jelly-home: yeah but in the grand debian tradition, the thing to do is to move your old hard disk to your new hardware, boot the Debian install that you did 10 years ago, then continue to upgrade it (: |
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| 00:25.21 | peterS | jelly-home: ...thus, no new installs to physical hardware |
| 00:25.22 | jelly-home | peterS: I've found timestamps that suggest it's more like 14 years |
| 00:25.27 | zifnab | peterS: we have a server that originally had 2.0 on it |
| 00:25.28 | nkuttler | hopes his ssd will live 10 years |
| 00:25.48 | zifnab | when i took over, it was on potato (2008) |
| 00:25.52 | aidalgol | peterS: Is that part of the Official Debian Team initiation? Installing Debian 1 and upgrading, release by release, to sid? |
| 00:26.24 | ManoftheSea | wait, I thought you could go direct to sid. |
| 00:26.34 | peterS | aidalgol: I'm not sure what is required, for someone coming into the game who doesn't already have a really old install that has been upgraded over the years (: |
| 00:27.06 | beardy | ManoftheSea: No, you have to write your own compiler. |
| 00:27.08 | jelly-home | aidalgol: you may wish to start with whatever's current, like 6. |
| 00:27.08 | peterrooney | has performed upgrades on every release from woody onward. |
| 00:27.11 | peterS | ManoftheSea: in general Debian packages don't support upgrade scenarios beyond a single stable release. Sometimes packages maintain compatibility for longer, but not always |
| 00:27.35 | zifnab | is dselect still around? |
| 00:27.38 | peterS | yes |
| 00:27.43 | peterS | there are still about 14 users |
| 00:27.49 | aidalgol | haha |
| 00:28.00 | beardy | Atleast it's still mentioned in the installer. I haven't run it for 10 years. :) |
| 00:28.23 | peterS | I was a very late adopter of apt-get / aptitude, but even I stopped using dselect at least 7 years ago |
| 00:28.42 | nerdistmonk | all i know is, i like debian, or i wouldnt use it, but at the same time all i want is these 2 -dev packages to install so i can build wine and be done with it...debian is supposed to a universal os, not a universal pita (thats fedora's market...), i guess i can just use ubuntu for a while till multiarch gets better, i cant build in xubuntu (since its also debian based) but they have a repo with the latest wine. |
| 00:29.24 | jelly-home | !be a debootstrap barbie |
| 00:29.24 | dpkg | Aww, debootstrap is HARD! Let's go shopping, jelly-home |
| 00:29.35 | peterS | nerdistmonk: the problem with multiarch for -dev: in some cases, the header files in /usr/include can be architecture-specific. I.e., a generated 'config.h' header is written to /usr/include/foo/foo-config.h or whatever |
| 00:29.50 | aidalgol | "debian is supposed to a universal os, not a universal pita (thats fedora's market...)" <-- that should be the new tagline xD |
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| 00:30.01 | peterS | nerdistmonk: multiarch of course cannot support two copies of /usr/include/foo/foo-config.h that have different contents, being installed at the same time |
| 00:30.13 | zifnab | ^^ |
| 00:30.28 | zifnab | you could probably enable support for that, by creating your own kernel and filesystems |
| 00:30.55 | beardy | nerdistmonk: chroots or vm:s, as suggested, is probably the best way. |
| 00:31.25 | nerdistmonk | so how does one go about compile a package via chroot (man i hope this isnt going to be a pita) |
| 00:31.42 | peterS | usually with pbuilder (or its cowbuilder frontend) or sbuild. |
| 00:31.56 | zifnab | !chroot |
| 00:31.56 | dpkg | a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch09#_chroot_system |
| 00:32.04 | nerdistmonk | what if i just want to make install? (wine doesnt need to be a package) |
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| 00:32.18 | jelly-home | zifnab: not really useful is it |
| 00:32.42 | zifnab | jelly-home: not as useful as i would have hoped :( |
| 00:32.55 | zifnab | it does show you kind of how to, i guess i'm used to just doing it for xen |
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| 00:33.23 | peterS | for package building, use pbuilder or sbuild. if all you want is 'make install', then just install the necessary -dev packages and go. If it means you have to uninstall one -dev package (libfreetype6-dev:amd64, for example) in order to install another one (libfreetype6-dev:i386), then oh well, that's what you do |
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| 00:33.34 | nerdistmonk | I cant do that...... |
| 00:33.40 | beardy | nerdistmonk: If it's the only thing you have in /usr/local, just copy it from the chroot. But if you can package it, do it.. |
| 00:33.41 | nerdistmonk | it tries to remove the whole system |
| 00:33.41 | jelly-home | nerdistmonk: you want to do stuff manually? Once you have a debootstrapped tree with, say, i386 sid in it, you can chroot into it, install and run whatever commands you'd want |
| 00:34.24 | nerdistmonk | freetype's 32bit -dev wants to remove DKMS and all my kernel modules + 10 other important items |
| 00:34.53 | beardy | nerdistmonk: But as jelly-home said. You'd just chroot to it and run it in there, if you want to -install stuff. |
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| 00:36.05 | peterS | beardy: the problem is that 'make install' will not escape the chroot, which you really want it to, because otherwise you ahve to keep the chroot around in order to run wine. which is ridiculous, though it can be done. |
| 00:36.39 | zifnab | why do you need to build wine from scratch? |
| 00:36.43 | nerdistmonk | yeah so the whole problem boils down to a bugski with the 32bit -dev of freetype since it shouldnt be removing dkms and my modules |
| 00:36.47 | nerdistmonk | and why ask why? |
| 00:36.49 | zifnab | just curious, wondering why you can't just apt-get install wine |
| 00:36.58 | nerdistmonk | because its too far back in my case |
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| 00:37.11 | nerdistmonk | even unstable is only 1.5.6, i need at least 1.5.8 or better |
| 00:37.13 | zifnab | install it from sid then |
| 00:37.14 | Flynn | how do i make it so korean is readable in debian |
| 00:37.16 | zifnab | ah |
| 00:37.17 | nerdistmonk | Im on sid..... |
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| 00:37.19 | peterS | zifnab: the wine he can install from debian is missing about 0.0002% of its cutting edge version number freshness and therefore will not do |
| 00:37.41 | zifnab | peterS: such as, why my vmware has arch |
| 00:37.50 | nerdistmonk | dude your ignorant seriously, i have 3 brand new games that wont run without 1.5.8.... |
| 00:37.51 | peterS | nerdistmonk: from the freetype maintainer: "I will accept patches that cleanly solve /usr/bin/freetype-config being present and arch-dependent". There you go. He will accept patches to fix that issue. |
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| 00:39.13 | ManoftheSea | nerdistmonk: that's not ignorance. |
| 00:39.21 | ManoftheSea | also, "you're" |
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| 00:39.39 | ManoftheSea | hostility doesn't solve your problem. |
| 00:40.37 | Flynn | bros |
| 00:40.40 | Flynn | can we not flame in here |
| 00:40.47 | Flynn | we are debian, we r supposed to be bros |
| 00:40.53 | Sanjuro | there a way to add more resolutions in debian/xfce4 than the ones listed? |
| 00:40.56 | ManoftheSea | brofist Flynn |
| 00:40.56 | Flynn | anyways, how i install korean in debian |
| 00:41.02 | Flynn | anyone know? |
| 00:41.11 | beardy | !locales |
| 00:41.11 | dpkg | Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 00:41.16 | peterS | nerdistmonk: so yeah. the freetype maintainer knows about the multiarch issue in his -dev package, and it is an issue he doesn't know how to solve. Fix his /usr/bin/freetype-config to magically work and do the right thing for both 32-bit and 64-bit at the same time, and he'll be happy |
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| 00:41.40 | mrud | brofist?! |
| 00:41.47 | peterS | nerdistmonk: keep in mind, that script is not given enough information to know whether you are running it for a 32-bit build or for a 64-bit build. There will probably, therefore, be some mind-reading involved |
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| 00:42.04 | zifnab | or, you could wait 2 weeks until sid is updated |
| 00:42.11 | zifnab | OR, play the games on windows (gasp) |
| 00:42.26 | mentor | Heresy |
| 00:42.34 | akls | So I connected to my debian machine using ssh, but when I type "ifconfig" I get this output: -bash: ifconfig: command not found . but it works under root, what's wrong? |
| 00:42.53 | nerdistmonk | lol well ive waited 3 months |
| 00:43.22 | sney | akls: /sbin is not in a regular user's path by default |
| 00:43.24 | zifnab | akls: /sbin isn't in your $PATH |
| 00:43.37 | akls | how to fix? |
| 00:43.43 | beardy | akls: Nothing is wrong. /sbin is not in your user's path, but it is in root's. Run '/sbin/ifconfig' as a user. |
| 00:43.57 | zifnab | if you want to add it, "export PATH=/sbin:$PATH" to ~/.bashrc |
| 00:44.31 | jelly-home | had to use a chroot to create non-native oracle-j2sdk1.6_1.6.0+update31_amd64.deb as well, make-jpkg being a bit buggy |
| 00:44.44 | ManoftheSea | akls: are you familiar with the PATH environment variable? |
| 00:44.52 | zifnab | !path |
| 00:44.53 | dpkg | PATH is the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs. It is defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells. http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/sect_07_02.html |
| 00:44.55 | akls | ManoftheSea, not really |
| 00:45.08 | ManoftheSea | like magic, you are served. |
| 00:45.13 | sney | Flynn: aptitude search unfonts, if you have a utf-8 locale then that's all you need |
| 00:45.15 | zifnab | jelly-home: he is useful sometimes! |
| 00:45.23 | Flynn | thanks sney |
| 00:45.25 | jelly-home | & |
| 00:45.27 | mentor | Adding sbin to a user's path isn't a good plan |
| 00:46.13 | zifnab | mentor: any dangerous commands won't run without root |
| 00:46.14 | ManoftheSea | akls: coming from ubuntu or another distro? I don't use sudo, in the belief that a user account is simply not supposed to have root power. |
| 00:46.20 | beardy | Hence the default. |
| 00:46.24 | akls | ManoftheSea, ye, from ubuntu |
| 00:46.29 | jelly-home | sadly, debian still hasn't moved ifconfig to bin/ |
| 00:46.42 | ManoftheSea | akls, the ip command is available to user though |
| 00:46.51 | ManoftheSea | "ip addr" is usually what you want |
| 00:46.56 | ManoftheSea | "ip addr show dev eth0" |
| 00:47.03 | Flynn | sney: works like a charm |
| 00:47.04 | ManoftheSea | yes, it's a little more verbose. |
| 00:47.05 | Flynn | <3 |
| 00:47.39 | jelly-home | "ip a" |
| 00:48.41 | Flynn | Important Debian related question |
| 00:48.48 | Flynn | Who was Lenny in Toy Story? I have no idea |
| 00:49.46 | zifnab | the binoculars |
| 00:49.47 | ManoftheSea | http://pixar.wikia.com/Lenny |
| 00:49.57 | zifnab | !lenny |
| 00:49.57 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
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| 00:50.19 | zifnab | he is far less useful than youd think |
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| 00:50.58 | Flynn | OH |
| 00:50.59 | Flynn | okay |
| 00:51.01 | Flynn | thanks |
| 00:51.08 | nerdistmonk | and i would install the ubuntu wine .deb but i need libc6 2.1.4 (how did they get a newer version than debian? even experimental is at 2.1.3, odd) |
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| 00:51.52 | ManoftheSea | dpkg: !sammich |
| 00:51.53 | dpkg | ManoftheSea: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 00:52.25 | ManoftheSea | nerdistmonk: ubuntu takes from debian, but is capable of building their own packages too |
| 00:52.49 | nerdistmonk | yeah i see that, debating going to xubuntu (xfce ftw) |
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| 00:53.42 | ManoftheSea | well, good luck to you. |
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| 00:53.55 | zifnab | good luck with #ubuntu |
| 00:53.56 | zifnab | you'll need it |
| 00:54.45 | nerdistmonk | no i wont, used it before, but i like debian better, i still wont be able to build wine normally, but they have a ppa with the newest builds, maybe debian will get sorted by october and i come back to it |
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| 00:55.34 | rue_shop4 | gnome3 'crashed' on first login of a new install on testing |
| 00:55.57 | abrotman | how did you intsall gnome3 and xorg ? |
| 00:56.18 | rue_shop4 | disk1/online repository |
| 00:56.37 | abrotman | doesn't really answer my question |
| 00:56.45 | rue_shop4 | default installed |
| 00:57.00 | zifnab | nerdistmonk: maybe download the .deb from the ppa, extract it, change control.tar.gz/control to have Depends: not include the newer libc6 |
| 00:57.02 | nerdistmonk | debian installs gnome3 + xorg by default |
| 00:57.03 | rue_shop4 | tasksel during install says "desktop environment' |
| 00:57.04 | zifnab | and see what happens |
| 00:57.10 | nerdistmonk | i may try that zif |
| 00:57.21 | nerdistmonk | maybe ill get lucky |
| 00:57.23 | ManoftheSea | um... |
| 00:57.31 | ManoftheSea | Ubuntu isn't binary-compatible |
| 00:57.40 | nerdistmonk | its worked before manofthesea |
| 00:57.52 | ManoftheSea | maybe you'll get lucky |
| 00:58.08 | nerdistmonk | i hope so, i really dont want to use the *buntus |
| 01:00.19 | rue_shop4 | biab |
| 01:01.02 | nerdistmonk | does xfce's "squeeze" archiver support .deb extraction ? |
| 01:01.38 | nerdistmonk | bad coincedence having an archiver with same name as an OS |
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| 01:03.53 | damacus | Buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo. |
| 01:04.07 | nerdistmonk | was it a stampeed? |
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| 01:04.38 | damacus | .. perhaps! |
| 01:05.36 | ManoftheSea | the second one is a city. |
| 01:06.02 | nerdistmonk | ok so i changed the file, now i just got to put the .deb back together again |
| 01:06.22 | damacus | ManoftheSea: as is the 6th |
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| 01:06.34 | damacus | (if I got it right.) |
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| 01:07.05 | damacus | anyway, wholly off-topic. squeeze squeeze made me think of it :) |
| 01:08.31 | peterrooney | ...and it's still not the most overloaded word in English. |
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| 01:09.57 | IsoLinCHiP | Hi, anyone know of a tool to queue up commands to be executed sequentially? In my current case Id like to queue up multiple copy processes (dont want them in paralell because all the seeking would slow it down), but Ive come across the problem a few times allready. Dont want to use "at" since I dont know how long it will take |
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| 01:10.57 | IsoLinCHiP | (Im aware I could write a shell script but Id rather just dynamically add to the list as I go, rather than plan ahead what all needs to be done) |
| 01:11.55 | nerdistmonk | would "cp /your/files && cp /more/files" work? |
| 01:12.04 | nerdistmonk | that should be sequentially shouldnt it? |
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| 01:12.19 | damacus | it would be sequential, but it would qualify as planning ahead |
| 01:12.20 | IsoLinCHiP | same problem as with the script, Id need to decide ahead of time what needs to be done |
| 01:12.27 | nerdistmonk | oh |
| 01:12.50 | damacus | i dont know of any solution offhand that doesnt involve writing your own queue tool |
| 01:12.51 | IsoLinCHiP | But yes, it does satisfy the sequential part ;) |
| 01:13.03 | mentor | You can wait on jobs |
| 01:13.04 | nerdistmonk | lol i tried...i give up on wine anyways |
| 01:13.35 | damacus | wine? what? |
| 01:13.50 | IsoLinCHiP | Yeah just seems to me somebody must have allready done just that, however with my current querys to google I get loads of hits on printer queues and what not |
| 01:13.53 | nerdistmonk | wine...as in the acronomic emulator that isnt |
| 01:14.00 | nerdistmonk | lol |
| 01:14.22 | damacus | i know what it is, i just dont know why its relevant |
| 01:14.46 | nerdistmonk | if you were around earlier, you woulda saw why, i was having issues, but fooey on it |
| 01:14.54 | nerdistmonk | my head hurts |
| 01:14.59 | damacus | ah |
| 01:15.00 | mentor | damacus: The comment wasn't directed at you |
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| 01:15.37 | IsoLinCHiP | mentor: did you mean me with the job waiting? |
| 01:15.48 | mentor | IsoLinCHiP: Yes |
| 01:16.07 | IsoLinCHiP | Would you care to go into a tad more detail :) |
| 01:16.16 | IsoLinCHiP | not sure what you mean |
| 01:16.48 | mentor | IsoLinCHiP: There's a shell "wait" builtin |
| 01:16.56 | mentor | IsoLinCHiP: It waits for shell jobs |
| 01:17.35 | mentor | IsoLinCHiP: So you could do: wait <job> && <command> & |
| 01:17.54 | mentor | Or whatever the syntax actually is, I'm not sure |
| 01:18.49 | IsoLinCHiP | Hmm, sounds interesting. guess I might be able to make an alias or something for that. Looks like Id need to background the "jobs" I want to execute? |
| 01:18.59 | damacus | mentor: useful to know |
| 01:19.09 | ManoftheSea | mentor: thank you, I didn't know about that either. |
| 01:19.14 | simonlnu | sub-shell it perhaps, like ( wait job && command &; ) |
| 01:19.34 | mentor | Otherwise they would wait in the foreground, yes |
| 01:19.34 | damacus | IsoLinCHiP: basically do the first command and background, note the job number, then for the next, wait %x && next command & |
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| 01:19.41 | mentor | jobs |
| 01:19.46 | damacus | just doing wait %n+1 as you go |
| 01:19.50 | mentor | displays current jobs |
| 01:19.52 | damacus | indeed. |
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| 01:20.49 | IsoLinCHiP | If I wanted to make an alias, how would I determine the jobnumber to wait on? |
| 01:21.34 | IsoLinCHiP | taking into account I might also be backrounding things not pertaining to the "queue" |
| 01:21.44 | akls | is there a way to change default cpufreq governor? |
| 01:21.51 | mentor | Yes, but don't. |
| 01:21.57 | akls | I have to |
| 01:22.19 | mentor | Race to idle gives the best power savings |
| 01:22.23 | akls | my old laptop is overheating, setting default governor to powersave is the only way to go |
| 01:22.27 | mentor | akls: What are you trying to achieve? |
| 01:22.36 | mentor | Try blowing the dust out of it? |
| 01:22.47 | akls | I've tried |
| 01:23.02 | akls | it's way too old and I guess that the cpu was changed |
| 01:23.10 | akls | anyway.. how can I change default cpu governor? |
| 01:23.18 | mentor | This is patching the system, but I think the governor is specified in sysfs |
| 01:23.42 | mentor | IsoLinCHiP: You could keep an environment variable with the latest queue job id |
| 01:24.14 | zykotick9 | i know this isn't support (out of repo package), but i thought i'd ask anyways. I tried to install CDE into a KVM squeeze VM last night, but compile failed. My steps used at http://paste.debian.net/182682/ and the error (sorry it's a KVM VM, thus copy/paste difficult) at http://imagebin.org/223711 |
| 01:24.31 | peterS | IsoLinCHiP: you wouldn't use an alias, you'd use a shell function, probably. anyway, you can get the most recently backgrounded PID with $! |
| 01:24.47 | peterS | you can wait for the pid instead of for a job |
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| 01:25.36 | mentor | You can only wait for child processes though, right? |
| 01:25.40 | nerdistmonk | i shot an email to the wine maintainer, maybe that will shed some light (maybe hes having the same pains i have, since unstable is still on 1.5.6) |
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| 01:25.53 | rue_shop4 | sound isn't working either |
| 01:26.10 | damacus | i think you can wait for any process |
| 01:26.14 | Keratin | I installed debian and now I am getting a blank screen on startup |
| 01:26.19 | damacus | job spec or pid |
| 01:26.25 | nerdistmonk | do you have an nvidia card? |
| 01:26.32 | Keratin | no |
| 01:26.54 | IsoLinCHiP | peterS: yes, thanks just realized that a shell function would be better since I can handle parameters, and $! seem like a good idea, since wait obviously can wait on a pid too not just job ids, Im currently studying man bash (for the who knows how manyth time ;) ) to get the syntax right :) |
| 01:27.38 | rue_shop4 | have no idea why sound isn't working |
| 01:27.48 | mentor | The wait*() system calls claim to only work on child processes |
| 01:27.52 | rue_shop4 | fresh install of testing needs work :) |
| 01:27.54 | nerdistmonk | did you try the nomodeset=0 during bootup keratin? (for some reason kernels 3.2.0, 3.3.0 have some video related quirks) |
| 01:28.08 | Keratin | I tried nomodeset |
| 01:28.18 | Keratin | does the =0 affect anything |
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| 01:28.36 | nerdistmonk | its what i had to do when i installed debian sid |
| 01:28.43 | nerdistmonk | or i would get a blank monitor |
| 01:28.45 | Keratin | I'll check again |
| 01:28.52 | Keratin | brb |
| 01:29.21 | damacus | mentor: you're correct. |
| 01:29.25 | damacus | -bash: wait: pid 13147 is not a child of this shell |
| 01:29.30 | damacus | alas. |
| 01:29.38 | mentor | Indeed |
| 01:30.15 | Keratin | nope! |
| 01:30.42 | peterS | I seem to remember there's a recent Linux kernel feature in which a user process can tell the kernel that it wishes to receive zombies from its descendent processes, instead of them being reparented to init |
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| 01:31.03 | peterS | thus "be init" in context of processes that you spawn |
| 01:31.05 | Keratin | any other ideas? |
| 01:31.45 | mentor | Yep, part of cgroups |
| 01:32.06 | nerdistmonk | debian squeeze i take it? |
| 01:32.15 | Keratin | yes |
| 01:32.31 | IsoLinCHiP | Does this sound plausible? function queuethis () { [ -z $QLASTPID ] || wait $QLASTPID; ( eval "$@" ) ; QLASTPID=$! ; } |
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| 01:33.01 | stuckey | Can anyone make a backport and submit it to backports? |
| 01:33.34 | mentor | IsoLinCHiP: You'll probably want to check the process still exists |
| 01:33.39 | IsoLinCHiP | Havent thought it through for more than 2 jobs though ;) |
| 01:33.40 | mentor | Hmmm |
| 01:33.47 | mentor | Or, check the wait return code |
| 01:33.53 | mentor | It'll race otherwise |
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| 01:35.31 | abrotman | wait, no one ever told me about xorg.conf.d/ !!! |
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| 01:36.33 | IsoLinCHiP | mentor: Umn, is there a better way than greping ps for the pid to see if the process still exists? |
| 01:37.18 | mentor | IsoLinCHiP: I'd handle an error from wait instead |
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| 01:37.32 | mentor | Or just ignore it or whatever |
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| 01:38.45 | stuckey | Can a package in sid be backported to stable? |
| 01:38.53 | abrotman | which? |
| 01:39.07 | stuckey | keepass2 |
| 01:39.15 | abrotman | keypass ? |
| 01:39.24 | stuckey | not keepassx |
| 01:39.34 | stuckey | keepass2, as in http://packages.debian.org/sid/keepass2 |
| 01:40.01 | IsoLinCHiP | dang it, seems you can actually only wait for children of the shell afterall |
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| 01:40.50 | abrotman | stuckey: i'd be skeptical, it's a mono app |
| 01:41.28 | sney | stuckey: here's how you can find out - /msg judd checkbackport packagename |
| 01:43.52 | stuckey | abrotman: mono app? What is this? |
| 01:44.24 | stuckey | sney: awesome; he said all dependencies satisfied using squeeze |
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| 01:47.49 | Qubits | When I login using Gnome, most of the time nothing shows up and I can't even run a command. |
| 01:48.03 | abrotman | Qubits: gnome3? for your user, or all users? |
| 01:48.14 | Qubits | 3, for mine only |
| 01:48.19 | Qubits | i have compiz |
| 01:48.20 | stuckey | abrotman: are you going to tell me what a mono app? |
| 01:48.30 | abrotman | stuckey: the internets can help you |
| 01:48.43 | Qubits | what happened to the old /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf |
| 01:48.58 | Qubits | or the Xorg.conf, i can't find them and I'm in wheezy |
| 01:49.11 | Qubits | How would I even enable control alt backspace for instance.. |
| 01:49.27 | Qubits | or enable a program to draw the background for gdm |
| 01:49.52 | stuckey | abrotman: what about backporting it given what judd said? How is it done? |
| 01:50.53 | stuckey | somethign like: add sid lines, make-dep, then something else, I'm forgetting |
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| 01:54.23 | abrotman | guess he didn't want to know |
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| 02:00.50 | stuckey | Would anyone kindly tell me how I can backport keepass2 to squeeze? |
| 02:01.17 | klys | are you running libc6 same version as squeeze? |
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| 02:01.29 | stuckey | klys: I'm on squeeze. |
| 02:01.42 | abrotman | gets the popcorn |
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| 02:01.55 | klys | ok, if your apt hasn't upgraded anything to wheezy or sid, just compile it. |
| 02:02.31 | stuckey | klys: You'll have to be more specific |
| 02:02.37 | klys | use the program `dpkg-buildpackage' in dpkg-dev package |
| 02:02.46 | rue_shop4 | the enlightnement mixer vu level is backwards and it didn't detect the output was muted... |
| 02:03.06 | gnarface | e17? |
| 02:03.18 | gnarface | recommends alsamixer |
| 02:05.31 | IsoLinCHiP | Any idea why with function queuethis () { [ -z $QLASTPID ] || { wait $QLASTPID; eval "$@"; } & export QLASTPID=$! ; } I get the error PID not a child of this shell? as far as I can tell it all should be running in the same shell? |
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| 02:06.13 | stuckey | klys: how does this work? |
| 02:06.27 | abrotman | IsoLinCHiP: without being a jerk, did oyu want & or && ? |
| 02:07.12 | klys | stuckey: apt-get source <package>; cd <directory>; dpkg-buildpackage; cd ..; dpkg -iGREB <package>.deb |
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| 02:07.49 | IsoLinCHiP | abrotman: hehe, no offence taken ;) Honestly, I am not sure, I want to background the wait and dont want the eval to be skipped if the wait fails, thats why I was trying to in that strange way, but I wouldnt be surprised if I got it totally wrong |
| 02:08.36 | IsoLinCHiP | Im not sure if & (backgrounding) works with {} blocks |
| 02:09.23 | abrotman | you may prefer to ask #bash, they'd probably be of more assistance |
| 02:09.45 | IsoLinCHiP | hmm, indeed, good idea |
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| 02:09.53 | IsoLinCHiP | sorry if I got to offtopic |
| 02:10.19 | abrotman | no, just more specialized |
| 02:11.10 | microcolonel | this may not be the best place to ask(but I'm not sure where's better) but... |
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| 02:11.30 | microcolonel | postfix seems to be rejecting mail all of a sudden |
| 02:11.37 | abrotman | it has logs? |
| 02:11.40 | microcolonel | yes |
| 02:11.45 | abrotman | and they say? |
| 02:12.12 | stuckey | libmono is huge |
| 02:12.35 | abrotman | duh |
| 02:12.50 | microcolonel | │Aug 7 22:07:34 shinobu postfix/smtpd[17797]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from outmail012.ash2.facebook.com[66.220.155.146]: 554 5.7.1 <aaron@correspondwith. |
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| 02:13.01 | microcolonel | │me>: Relay access denied; from=<notification+oy9zfos6@facebookmail.com> to=<aaron@correspondwith.me> proto=ESMTP helo=<mx-out.facebook.com> |
| 02:13.13 | microcolonel | :S that took suspiciously long to paste |
| 02:13.18 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:13.32 | stuckey | klys: can you explain what dpkg -iGREB <package>.deb does? |
| 02:13.39 | abrotman | stuckey: man dpkg |
| 02:13.40 | stuckey | I don't understand the GREB<package> part. |
| 02:13.41 | microcolonel | (that's one line by the way) |
| 02:14.14 | microcolonel | stuckey: start by understanding what the -i does |
| 02:14.20 | stuckey | installs, knew that |
| 02:14.22 | microcolonel | look at the manual for dpkg |
| 02:14.28 | microcolonel | man dpkg |
| 02:14.28 | abrotman | microcolonel: postconf -n .. might help you spot the problem |
| 02:14.48 | stuckey | After I dpkg-buildpackage, I get two .debs, which one do I want to install? |
| 02:14.49 | klys | stuckey: use that to install packages which are going to be upgraded. use dpkg -iGROB to install packages you may want to downgrade. those are some defaults from how apt uses dpkg. |
| 02:15.09 | IsoLinCHiP | microcolonel: Im no expert, but im guessing you are using facebook as a smarthost? And its refusing to deliver the mail you are trying to send? |
| 02:15.19 | microcolonel | no |
| 02:15.26 | microcolonel | facebook is trying to deliver mail directly to my smtp server |
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| 02:15.29 | stuckey | klys: thank you |
| 02:15.30 | microcolonel | which is storing it |
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| 02:15.37 | klys | yw |
| 02:15.41 | abrotman | it is, or refusing ? |
| 02:15.53 | microcolonel | well |
| 02:15.59 | microcolonel | my machine is refusing |
| 02:16.01 | microcolonel | but I'm not sure why |
| 02:16.09 | abrotman | microcolonel: is it in your mydomains ? |
| 02:16.16 | abrotman | hasn't had to configure postfix in awhile |
| 02:16.23 | microcolonel | yeah |
| 02:16.48 | microcolonel | the mydomain postconf is set to read from a file (the default on debian these days, despite what the wiki says) |
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| 02:17.24 | stuckey | klys: can this deb I made now go to backports, so others can use it? |
| 02:17.42 | abrotman | wiki is community docs .. |
| 02:17.57 | klys | stuckey: I think there is another channel you can handle this question in. I am not a package maintainer. |
| 02:18.37 | microcolonel | yes, I'll update that later |
| 02:18.43 | microcolonel | but right now I want it working :P |
| 02:18.59 | stuckey | Does anyone know whereI can ask? |
| 02:19.50 | microcolonel | hmm |
| 02:20.21 | microcolonel | would somebody perhaps send me a test email to see if it's just facebook specifically being finnicky? |
| 02:20.26 | abrotman | stuckey: not likely |
| 02:20.36 | stuckey | next question: I'm getting this error from mplayer when I try to use it with mplayer -vo vdpau: http://paste.debian.net/182688/ |
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| 02:21.11 | abrotman | stuckey: i thought you'd moved to using Ubuntu ? |
| 02:21.19 | stuckey | abrotman: What made you think this? |
| 02:21.33 | abrotman | hadn't seen you in awhile |
| 02:21.57 | stuckey | that wasn't because I switched to ubuntu. |
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| 02:22.31 | abrotman | drat |
| 02:22.32 | abrotman | :) |
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| 02:24.07 | klys | iirc, it's #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 02:24.41 | abrotman | how would that help ? |
| 02:25.16 | klys | to be a package maintainer. it was suggested to me here at #debian |
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| 02:27.21 | microcolonel | hmm |
| 02:28.14 | stuckey | abrotman: do you know anything about why this would be http://paste.debian.net/182688/ |
| 02:28.44 | microcolonel | seems to be working for general email |
| 02:28.55 | microcolonel | I wonder if notification email is working again as well... |
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| 02:37.29 | stuckey | how do I get a gpg key? |
| 02:37.36 | stuckey | can't upload without one |
| 02:38.44 | microcolonel | stuckey: read the wiki |
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| 02:40.10 | stuckey | microcolonel: there's nothing on gpg on the debian wiki |
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| 02:41.49 | grothendieck | stuckey: gpg --gen-key |
| 02:41.54 | grothendieck | man gpg |
| 02:42.11 | stuckey | got it, thanks :) |
| 02:42.20 | grothendieck | You need to understand GPG before you use start seriously making use of it |
| 02:42.51 | grothendieck | otherwise you will defeat the purpose by making mistakes that weaken security and web of trust |
| 02:43.16 | grothendieck | http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual.html |
| 02:43.26 | grothendieck | read it and re-read it |
| 02:43.39 | dschuett | anyone using iptables on debian squeeze? |
| 02:43.45 | stuckey | Thanks! |
| 02:43.51 | grothendieck | stuckey: no problem |
| 02:43.59 | dschuett | i just noticed that i am getting this warning in /var/log/messages: "CONFIG_NF_CT_ACCT is deprecated and will be removed soon. Please use nf_conntrack.acct=1 kernel parameter, acct=1 nf_conntrack module option or sysctl net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_acct=1 to enable it." |
| 02:44.28 | grothendieck | stuckey: Mutt is a good e-mail client that integrates very well with GPG |
| 02:44.31 | grothendieck | http://codesorcery.net/old/mutt/mutt-gnupg-howto is also relevant |
| 02:45.03 | grothendieck | enigmail is also good if you are used to thunderbird/iceweasel and configuring mutt isn't something you want to do just yet |
| 02:45.12 | grothendieck | http://www.enigmail.net/home/index.php |
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| 02:48.53 | stuckey | not getting how I export a tell to upload to mentors... keeps saying invalid key |
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| 02:49.33 | abrotman | stuckey: you cannot |
| 02:49.49 | stuckey | abrotman: what do you mean? it says I have to. |
| 02:50.02 | abrotman | ... |
| 02:50.24 | abrotman | upload to what? |
| 02:50.42 | stuckey | mentors.debian.ne |
| 02:50.43 | stuckey | t |
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| 03:10.35 | zifnab | rm -rf / fixes all your issues tonight |
| 03:10.38 | zifnab | that will be all |
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| 03:12.05 | LtL | zifnab: don't tell people that man. do NOT issue that command!~ |
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| 03:12.18 | zifnab | LtL: it won't work |
| 03:12.21 | zifnab | need a --something |
| 03:12.37 | zifnab | --no-preserve-root |
| 03:13.11 | zifnab | however, it is quite amusing to watch every portion of a system fail if you actually run that command |
| 03:13.16 | LtL | zifnab: i think it would work, but if it doesn't, good for debian. |
| 03:13.44 | microcolonel | the joke is that it doesn't actually work |
| 03:13.48 | microcolonel | but lots of people think it does |
| 03:14.04 | microcolonel | deleting root recursively triggers a check, obviously |
| 03:14.11 | microcolonel | just like telling apt to remove itself |
| 03:14.16 | zifnab | rm -rf --no-preserve-root |
| 03:14.17 | zifnab | will work |
| 03:14.40 | zifnab | however, if you do that, you deserve to be shot |
| 03:14.49 | microcolonel | yeah |
| 03:14.51 | LtL | ok, 'nuff said. sorry |
| 03:14.56 | microcolonel | it's not even a secure delete |
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| 03:15.13 | microcolonel | so there's no real utility in removing all 'em files |
| 03:15.30 | microcolonel | well |
| 03:15.35 | microcolonel | unless you're on OpenBSD :P |
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| 03:53.37 | SiDz | hey is there a way to tell grep to grep what i want + 3 line top/down |
| 03:53.55 | SiDz | like |grep ipc_lock +3 |
| 03:56.36 | civillian | SiDz: | grep -A3 -B3 [string] |
| 04:00.54 | SiDz | thanks |
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| 04:53.59 | grothendieck | SiDz: grep -C3 $STRING [$FILE] |
| 04:54.07 | grothendieck | if you want both above and below for context |
| 04:54.21 | grothendieck | -A3 for only 3 lines after, -B3 for only 3 lines above |
| 04:54.23 | grothendieck | also RTFM |
| 04:54.27 | Aaron | lol |
| 04:54.29 | Aaron | great help ass |
| 04:54.43 | grothendieck | it's *right there* |
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| 06:40.13 | TooZ | Hi, i got a problem with ProFTPD on Debian 6.0.1 64bit. Flashing/FXP isn't working for me. I read a bit into it and so far I tried: Adding "AllowForeignAddress on" in the proftpd.conf, used several passive ports above 1024 and opened those ports. But still, when I connect to the server via FlashFXP and try to flash: "Permission denied". Uploading/Downloading/Editing works fine. I'm pretty new to linux and google didn't do me any favors so far. Any suggestions? Than |
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| 06:42.25 | peterrooney | is there an alternative to cat that doesn't break words at terminal margins? |
| 06:42.34 | arvind_khadri | Hi, how do I know to which version of the kernel, this patch here has been applied. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=655387 |
| 06:44.24 | klys | peterrooney: man nroff (part of groff) |
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| 06:45.05 | MobileWill | I have a bash script that runs IRSEND and outputs text, if i run it as www-data it works but if I run it from php it only outputs the text and never runs irsend, i am on debian wheezy and it worked fine on squeeze, php 5.4 |
| 06:45.15 | klys | arvind_khadri: uname -r |
| 06:45.39 | arvind_khadri | klys, that will tell me the version of my kernel :) |
| 06:45.39 | threadlock | running kernel is /proc/version |
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| 06:46.24 | klys | I think he wants the patch version |
| 06:46.48 | arvind_khadri | I want to know in which version/release of the kernel, the patch has been applied |
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| 06:47.10 | arvind_khadri | I am right now running 2.6.32-5 |
| 06:47.56 | arvind_khadri | klys, ^ |
| 06:53.47 | klys | -rw-rw-r-- 1 536 536 98674722 May 11 22:46 linux-3.2.17.tar.gz |
| 06:54.54 | peterrooney | klys: thank you. that's an excellent start, except for ignoring terminal width. |
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| 06:59.10 | klys | peterrooney: { struct ttysize ts; ioctl(0, TIOCGSIZE, &ts); printf ("columns %d\n", ts.ts_cols); } |
| 06:59.28 | qubits | i force installed an app that required sun-java6-jre and then installed openjdk instead, now when i want to install other apps it wants to remove the app that depends on sun-java6-jre. how can i get it to leave that app alone and forget about it |
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| 06:59.48 | klys | peterrooney: uses <sys/ioctl.h> and <stdio.h> |
| 07:00.30 | qubits | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 07:00.31 | qubits | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.53 | gnarface | so, i'm trying to install debian squeeze on an old p2 system (256MB of ram) and it appears to complete properly but then when it reboots grub dumps to rescue mode complaining about the filesystem being unrecognized or invalid or something like that |
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| 07:01.12 | gnarface | i have tried ext3 and ext4 though |
| 07:01.14 | klys | qubits: very carefully take a text editor to /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 07:01.20 | arvind_khadri | klys, so the patch has been applied in 3.2. But why has it not been applied to 2.6 :) |
| 07:01.23 | companion | ♥ !I LOVE YOU! ♥ |
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| 07:01.55 | klys | arvind_khadri: download the latest v2.6 and check it out |
| 07:02.43 | qubits | klys, and do what |
| 07:02.45 | klys | gnarface: my suggestion has always been to use grub 1 rather than grub 2 |
| 07:03.09 | arvind_khadri | klys, I have the latest 2.6 from debian repo. |
| 07:03.10 | klys | qubits: change it, remove the Depends: line |
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| 07:03.55 | qubits | klys, change 'it' ? |
| 07:03.59 | qubits | this is a large directory |
| 07:04.16 | qubits | i grepped all the files relating to the installed app with the jdk dependency and found nothing |
| 07:04.39 | klys | qubits: do a search for "Package: maltego-ce" |
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| 07:05.30 | qubits | in this directory klys ? |
| 07:05.41 | klys | the info file |
| 07:05.50 | qubits | because all i have is maltego-ce.changelog maltego-ce.copyright maltego-ce.list maltego-ce.md5sums maltego-ce.postrm maltego-ce.prerm |
| 07:06.03 | klys | the status file |
| 07:06.03 | qubits | info is a directory |
| 07:06.21 | qubits | ok thanks |
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| 07:06.56 | qubits | was there a better way to have force installed maltego klys ? |
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| 07:07.39 | klys | as long as it works for you, I don't see a problem with using Oracle instead. no, there probably wasn't |
| 07:08.06 | qubits | getting 404s |
| 07:08.06 | qubits | sec |
| 07:08.18 | ooxi | hi, i have a naming problem :D i want to name my development server but dev... is already taken. how do you name your development servers? development... is to long, should be short and easy to pronounce |
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| 07:09.15 | klys | ooxi: try "forge" |
| 07:09.42 | qubits | fixed |
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| 07:21.35 | SLFCore | greetings |
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| 07:24.40 | SLFCore | is there any terminal based pdf viewer? |
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| 07:26.21 | streuner_ | SLFCore: try apt-cache search pdf viewer |
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| 07:28.24 | SLFCore | streuner_: thanks |
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| 07:49.43 | \n | wheezy+1? :o |
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| 07:50.01 | \n | Does that mean that will be the new testing when wheezy becomes stable? |
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| 07:52.25 | \rs | which package provides /usr/lib64/libgmp.so.3 |
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| 07:53.56 | syssi | \rs: http://tinyurl.com/bmpakaf |
| 07:54.00 | xgl | hi all |
| 07:54.28 | syssi | \rs: yes. jessie will be the new testing if wheezy becomes stable. |
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| 08:00.58 | Rix | hi |
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| 08:01.26 | Rix | can I paste 4 lines :D |
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| 08:01.39 | HooWat | !pastebin |
| 08:01.39 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 08:01.58 | Rix | so more than 3 lines = pastebin :] |
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| 08:02.21 | basic6 | Debian/kFreeBSD users online? |
| 08:02.26 | UltraMC | How to determine my hardware architecture: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/ ? |
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| 08:02.47 | Sm0ke0ut | what processor do you've? |
| 08:03.00 | UltraMC | AMD Phenom x3 |
| 08:03.08 | Rix | http://paste.debian.net/182720 why is this when im using i386? |
| 08:03.16 | Sm0ke0ut | amd64 will do for you @ UltraMC |
| 08:03.18 | HooWat | basic6: #debian-kbsd @ irc.debian.org |
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| 08:04.03 | UltraMC | Sm0ke0ut, in the future, how to determine it by myself? Coz I have few box'es |
| 08:04.30 | Sm0ke0ut | armel = ARM-based processors (usually in phones) |
| 08:04.31 | HooWat | Rix: uname -r |
| 08:04.39 | Sm0ke0ut | amd64 = 64 bit processors |
| 08:04.45 | HooWat | UltraMC: uname -r |
| 08:04.54 | basic6 | HooWat: thanks |
| 08:05.05 | Sm0ke0ut | i386 = x86 (will always work, except on armel) |
| 08:05.14 | Sm0ke0ut | ia64 is titanium or something? not sure =) |
| 08:05.27 | UltraMC | 2.6.32-5-486 - so its ummm.. yeah |
| 08:05.35 | Sm0ke0ut | that's 386 |
| 08:05.44 | UltraMC | cool |
| 08:05.50 | Sm0ke0ut | but that's the current installed architecture |
| 08:05.56 | Sm0ke0ut | not what the processor supports |
| 08:06.00 | jelly-home | !lm |
| 08:06.00 | dpkg | hmm... lm is "long mode" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_mode): grep -w lm /proc/cpuinfo |
| 08:06.05 | UltraMC | Sm0ke0ut, btw 2.6.32-5-486 |
| 08:06.06 | UltraMC | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:06.19 | Rix | 2.6.32-5-amd64 well that's strange.. my installation disc is 386 i guarantee that |
| 08:06.32 | Rix | when i was installing it indeed said amd64 |
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| 08:06.44 | syssi | Rix: dpkg -l | grep linux-image |
| 08:06.48 | Rix | but when i try 64bit installation packages it says my system is x86 (i386) |
| 08:06.50 | jelly-home | Rix: what does dpkg --print-architecture say? |
| 08:06.51 | syssi | Rix: do you have more than one kernel installed? |
| 08:06.56 | Rix | no |
| 08:06.58 | Rix | sec |
| 08:07.14 | jelly-home | you can have an amd64 kernel on a 32bit installation |
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| 08:07.20 | syssi | Rix: dkms tries to build your module for every installed kernel. |
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| 08:07.43 | syssi | Rix: just install the missing headers or remove the (unwanted) kernel. |
| 08:07.48 | Rix | ii linux-image-2.6-amd64 2.6.32+29 Linux 2.6 for 64-bit PCs (meta-package) |
| 08:07.48 | Rix | ii linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 2.6.32-45 Linux 2.6.32 for 64-bit PCs |
| 08:07.51 | Rix | then: |
| 08:08.03 | Rix | root@rix:~# dpkg --print-architecture |
| 08:08.03 | Rix | i386 |
| 08:08.07 | Rix | :D |
| 08:08.12 | syssi | Rix: okay ;-) |
| 08:08.32 | Rix | so amd64 kernel and i386 installation? |
| 08:08.39 | HooWat | wtf ? |
| 08:08.43 | syssi | Rix: there is some discrepancy between your dpkg output and uname -r |
| 08:08.47 | HooWat | wtf do you mean by 'installation' |
| 08:08.48 | jelly-home | Rix: this is what the 32bit installer does these says when the hardware is capable. You have a 32bit installation with a 64bit kernel yes. |
| 08:08.55 | HooWat | the kernel *is* the 'installation' |
| 08:08.59 | syssi | Rix: you can use an amd64 kernel & 32bit user-land. |
| 08:09.04 | jelly-home | HooWat: incorrect |
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| 08:09.29 | Rix | so do I actually have 32 and 64bit kernels (two kernels?) |
| 08:09.44 | Rix | if so why cant i install 64bit software |
| 08:09.51 | syssi | Rix: your two line psate was incomplete? :-P |
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| 08:10.11 | jelly-home | Rix: no, you just have a 64bit kernel that provides 64bit and 32bti compatibility. The rest of your system is 32bit. |
| 08:10.18 | Rix | it was complete - 2.6-amd64 and 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 08:10.20 | notze | how can i exclude exactly one file from aptitude when i update a package? |
| 08:10.32 | notze | its a config file that i dont want to be updated |
| 08:10.39 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell notze about hold |
| 08:10.39 | Rix | thanks all, so now i just install the headers i guess |
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| 08:11.04 | syssi | Rix: jep. |
| 08:11.12 | Rix | thanks syssi :) |
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| 08:11.30 | syssi | Rix: have fun with your thinkpad ;-) i'm using smapi, too. |
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| 08:11.44 | notze | jelly-home, not a package only 1 file of a pakage |
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| 08:12.15 | jelly-home | notze: you can't do it on a file basis |
| 08:12.15 | HooWat | notze: just back up the file and restore after upgrade ... ? Also, apt usually ask before replacing config files |
| 08:12.24 | Rix | mine is Ideapad but I didnt find special smapi for it so im installing this :P (i have the same feature for the battery and I hope the thinkpad version will be compitable) thanks syssi :] |
| 08:12.41 | jelly-home | notze: which file in particular are you talking about |
| 08:12.47 | notze | thats what i wanted to know ;) |
| 08:12.48 | basic6 | Can I ask a Debian-related mount question here (actually Debian/kFreeBSD, but #debian-kbsd is still asleep, I think)? |
| 08:12.48 | notze | thx |
| 08:12.54 | notze | its a .xml config fikle |
| 08:13.05 | jelly-home | notze: full path please? |
| 08:13.14 | HooWat | !tell basic6 about ask |
| 08:13.57 | basic6 | I want to mount an NFS share - simple as that... |
| 08:14.14 | basic6 | I can mount it manually with mount -t nfs, that works |
| 08:14.19 | jelly-home | basic6: the same kbsd-knowledgeable people might be asleep here as well |
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| 08:14.55 | basic6 | But if I try to mount it with fstab, it says "Unknown filesystem" |
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| 08:15.27 | cvr | basic6: paste your fstab line? |
| 08:15.35 | basic6 | I don't know if this is BSD-related (different mount syntax?) or if I just have a typo somewhere... |
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| 08:17.03 | HooWat | basic6: what cvr said^ |
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| 08:17.50 | HooWat | also, general note to everybody: man 7 undocumented |
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| 08:18.24 | basic6 | http://paste.debian.net/182725/ |
| 08:19.37 | HooWat | basic6: dpkg --get-selections nfs-common |
| 08:20.01 | UltraMC | trying to download iso-cd - http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-cd/ which one is the ONE? |
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| 08:20.22 | HooWat | UltraMC: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 08:20.23 | Calinou | UltraMC, the first one is enough normally |
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| 08:20.35 | Calinou | note you can use netinst too if you have internet access on the computer you want to install debian on! |
| 08:21.12 | UltraMC | why is there so many? They are noteven described |
| 08:21.37 | UltraMC | Calinou naa Im doing rescue pendrive |
| 08:21.43 | HooWat | UltraMC: http://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 08:22.01 | basic6 | http://paste.debian.net/182727/ |
| 08:22.36 | HooWat | UltraMC: the CDs contain the entire repository archive of packages (~30,000) |
| 08:23.20 | basic6 | http://paste.debian.net/182728/ |
| 08:24.16 | HooWat | basic6: i think you typo'd ... replace "intr.rw" with "intr,rw" |
| 08:24.52 | UltraMC | Why Debian grews so fast? I mean space that it takes |
| 08:25.04 | HooWat | UltraMC: In what regard ? |
| 08:25.33 | basic6 | HooWat: Oh I didn't see that |
| 08:26.00 | HooWat | UltraMC: That could be dependent on a number of factors (including the context) |
| 08:26.07 | basic6 | But it still doesn't work... it complains about the filesystem (the column before that) |
| 08:26.21 | HooWat | you changed the period to a comma ? |
| 08:26.28 | basic6 | yes i did |
| 08:26.39 | HooWat | and re-ran `mount` ? |
| 08:27.14 | HooWat | ie, mount /mnt/Share |
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| 08:27.42 | HooWat | also, i think you're missing one column ... |
| 08:27.52 | nimbos | debian is a computer program |
| 08:27.54 | basic6 | gnarg I found it ... I was in /mnt and did "mount Share" (being a Linux user), but "mount /mnt/Share" works |
| 08:28.24 | UltraMC | HooWat, I mean what is so important that it takes 4,4G |
| 08:28.36 | HooWat | Depends on what you select to install. |
| 08:28.57 | basic6 | Well thanks anyway |
| 08:29.19 | HooWat | basic6: i don't think "mount Share" would have worked on linux either? ... `mount` is a userland program and so i'm pretty sure it's essentially identical on either linux or kfreebsd ;) |
| 08:31.00 | HooWat | UltraMC: Maybe, try running: `baobab` |
| 08:31.47 | basic6 | HooWat: Oh it works (only if you're in the parent directory, obviously), I use it all the time |
| 08:32.33 | HooWat | basic6: and it doesn't work on kfreebsd? |
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| 08:32.52 | basic6 | Apparently it doesn't |
| 08:33.02 | HooWat | ... |
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| 08:33.10 | UltraMC | I was in love with Damn Small Linux but soon it turned out its like 2004 |
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| 08:33.17 | HooWat | basic6: And it works [on linux] with an NFS ... or another? |
| 08:34.20 | alkisg | basic6: if "Share" is defined in /etc/fstab, then it works without any more parameters, because it reads the mount point from /etc/fstab |
| 08:35.09 | jelly-home | basic6: tbh I don't remember ever using mount (via fstab) with a relative path |
| 08:35.15 | basic6 | alkisg: Right, but that's not what I meant |
| 08:35.34 | jelly-home | I'm kind of surprised cd /mnt; mount Share works on linux |
| 08:35.37 | HooWat | alkisg: nono he's saying "Share" works when cwd is "/mnt" and "/mnt/Share" is defined |
| 08:35.38 | basic6 | I used a path relative to the pwd, which is just the name of the mount point |
| 08:36.09 | alkisg | HooWat: I believe that mount first converts relative paths to absolute, and then looks at /etc/fstab to see if they're defined |
| 08:36.09 | HooWat | basic6: Like I said, it might likely be related to it being nfs rather than linux |
| 08:36.26 | basic6 | HooWat: I've just tried it with CIFS, because that's not in use, but if you give me a second I can quickly do a test with nfs |
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| 08:36.35 | alkisg | NFS also checks /etc/exports, of course |
| 08:37.30 | HooWat | Does anyone know if Wheezy supports having a dual linux/kfreebsd installation ? |
| 08:38.04 | basic6 | HooWat: Yep, same with nfs on Linux, works with relative paths |
| 08:38.20 | HooWat | (I know there is 'multiarch' support developing ... but not sure if it's mature enough or even has that as a goal) |
| 08:38.46 | basic6 | Maybe I'm missing something, because on kFreeBSD, umount does indeed work with relative pathes too (want to see it?) |
| 08:38.57 | HooWat | basic6: strange. seems like it should/would work regardless of the fact it's kfreebsd so i would suggest considering reporting that :) |
| 08:39.22 | alkisg | seems to be missing the point, but unmount works for him on linux with relatives paths as well |
| 08:39.47 | HooWat | he's saying relative paths for nfs DON'T work on kfreebsd^ |
| 08:40.00 | HooWat | (not umount/linux) |
| 08:40.13 | alkisg | Ah, ok, sorry |
| 08:40.29 | HooWat | !read |
| 08:40.29 | dpkg | methinks read is what no one does these days, especially ex-redhat users who expect EVERYTHING to appear infront of them without fuss. or what you must do in order to learn. 'man <something>', 'apropos <something>', or check out the files in /usr/share/doc/<PACKAGE> |
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| 08:43.14 | basic6 | If anyone cares: http://paste.debian.net/182730/ |
| 08:43.17 | ChrisH | I am not sure if I got all, but mount,umount and fstab needed absolue path on all UNIX[TM] System I ever used. relative path might work for cornercases |
| 08:45.10 | ChrisH | basic6: I never even expected umount Share/ to work :) |
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| 08:45.36 | basic6 | Oh maybe I should mention that when I say "I tried it on Linux", this Linux is a Fedora system, not a Debian, just for the record... But that shouldn't matter anyway (I hope nobody hates a Fedora user in a Debian channel :-) ) |
| 08:45.41 | HooWat | FreeBSD and Linux are UNIX-like ... not "UNIX[TM]" ;) |
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| 08:46.18 | jelly-home | HooWat: because noone wants to pay for a useless certification process |
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| 08:49.08 | \n | 09:54:28 syssi | \rs: yes. jessie will be the new testing if wheezy becomes stable. |
| 08:49.20 | \n | I guess you meant to address that to me? |
| 08:49.21 | basic6 | ChrisH: That's how I roll on Linux: http://paste.debian.net/182731/ |
| 08:49.26 | ChrisH | basic6: get used to absolute path in fstab, mount, and umount and you will have less trouble on any unix'ish system. |
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| 08:53.05 | ChrisH | basic6: just for the record... on some of the UNIX[TM] mainly HPUX a mount /mnt/Share/ would not even suceed, only a mount /mnt/Share |
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| 09:14.23 | Rix | http://paste.debian.net/182732 :D |
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| 09:22.03 | Iridos | this is a 32bit system with a 64bit kernel? |
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| 09:28.28 | Iridos | Rix? |
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| 09:28.44 | Iridos | anyway... I guess that's what you have... checking the bts is often useful |
| 09:28.48 | Iridos | and you get http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=651775 |
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| 09:31.27 | Iridos | so look at README.source but probably that just says you can't use it with 64bit-kernel+32bit userland |
| 09:31.51 | Rix | sorry i was rebooting Iridos - yes 64bit kernel 32bit system |
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| 09:33.23 | Rix | my question is why did debian installed 64bit kernel - installation dvd was i386 and in expert mode installation options there was only amd64 to choose |
| 09:33.45 | Rix | now i have to reinstall just because of this drivers issue of mix amd64 and i386 system... |
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| 09:35.47 | Rix | anyway thanks Iridos |
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| 09:42.52 | Iridos | Rix, huh, reinstall? You're kidding. Just install an 32bit kernel |
| 09:43.27 | Iridos | judd, kernels |
| 09:43.28 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.5-trunk-686-pae (3.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.23-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.21-3); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.20-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 09:43.41 | themill | you can also use an amd64 kernel quite happily on i386, that's why there's that option |
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| 09:44.17 | Iridos | themill, but he can't compile the fglrx module and from the bug report that'll not be possible in any close future |
| 09:44.46 | themill | that's quite possible. |
| 09:44.48 | Rix | i've managed to compiled it |
| 09:45.00 | Rix | just rebooted |
| 09:45.18 | Rix | and fixed my issue with the open-source ati driver |
| 09:45.36 | Rix | it didnt turn off the monitor on standby, just went blank |
| 09:45.42 | Rix | proprietary drivers turn it off now :) |
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| 09:46.36 | Rix | (for example xset dpms force off should turn the monitor off, but it just went blank and was still on with the open-source ati driver) now it turns off fine :] |
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| 09:47.22 | Rix | i dont know how and where to report it.. it maybe useful for the developers of the open-source drivers |
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| 09:52.15 | Iridos | so how did you get the fglrx module compiled, then? |
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| 10:06.56 | Pe3k | hello, my webcam sometimes fails and the only way (which I know) is physically remove and again attach USB cable ...do you think that using some commands is possible to achieve the same effect? |
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| 10:12.06 | LoonaTick | Hi. Does anyone here have a bright idea of how to make 81 million files (avatar images) accessible trough the web in a scalable way? I found both mongodb and couchbase to be unable to handle this amount of items. I found ext4 to become impossible to backup. Also, storing it on 1 server doesn't quite work for the scalability and availability demands. |
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| 10:13.29 | feisar | I have some tar.gz archives I would like to write to a tape, this is not something I have done before. Do I want to be using dump? or cpio? or something else? |
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| 10:18.59 | frostschutz | mt, tapeutils, ... or just let tar talk to the tape directly? |
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| 10:21.03 | drowouw | ./clear |
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| 10:25.51 | drowouw | hello, anyone here who can assist on setting up qmail/ vpopmail to bcc all ingoing/ outgoing mail of some local addresses to another local address, yet providing normal usage of the bcc'd address? |
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| 10:35.00 | Rix | Lock Screen, Sleep (suspend to ram) and Hibernate (suspend to disk) do all the same - locks the screen |
| 10:35.35 | Rix | also acpi -b returns charging when acpi -a returns adapter offline |
| 10:35.53 | Rix | (and the laptop is on battery) |
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| 10:39.54 | tictacbum | Hello |
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| 10:40.46 | tictacbum | can I add an installation prefix when building a package with debuild? |
| 10:41.19 | babilen | no |
| 10:41.38 | tictacbum | and on debian/rules file? |
| 10:41.58 | babilen | no |
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| 10:42.30 | tictacbum | where can I do this? |
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| 10:47.40 | babilen | tictacbum: You can't IIRC -- But ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net if you want definite answers. It would also help to know what you are trying to do. |
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| 10:49.31 | tictacbum | what I'm trying to do is to recompile a debian package with a patch, and create a new .deb that installs all it's stuff on /usr/local |
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| 10:54.35 | bootc | morning everyone - if I'm rebuilding a package with some patches for internal use only, is there a recommended way to adjust the version number? |
| 10:55.05 | bootc | for example I'm changing some config options and adding some patches to lvm2 2.02.66-5 |
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| 10:59.53 | engla | is there a `cpuid` updated for newer cpu features? It seems the cpuid in Debian was updated 10 years ago.. 10 years. |
| 11:00.52 | engla | or something equivalent |
| 11:02.29 | drowouw | anyone got a hint for me on setting up qmail/ vpopmail email monitoring/ bcc'ing to another address for some addresses or an idea where i can get some info about it? |
| 11:02.57 | Losowski | engla: All the info you need is located in /proc |
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| 11:04.07 | engla | it's a bit harder to digest |
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| 11:07.19 | Losowski | engla: For example, what info do you require of your system? |
| 11:07.55 | engla | I don't require it, but cpuid says all my TLB/cache entries are unknown and I'd like to know |
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| 11:15.16 | Losowski | engla: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 11:24.40 | Flashtek | mini-itx box is now up and running as samba/cups/saned server |
| 11:24.51 | Flashtek | virtually silent running |
| 11:25.17 | Flashtek | going to put dnsmasq in place for DHCP service |
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| 11:28.48 | archie | Is www.debian.org down right now? |
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| 11:31.13 | thewanderer1 | archie, http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com |
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| 11:34.02 | Flashtek | archie: WFM |
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| 11:34.42 | jeredepp | hello everyone, when i want to to move a file and replace it with another file i would do something like this (#mv file file_old [return] #mv file_new file) |
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| 11:35.21 | ectospasm | jeredepp: that looks correct |
| 11:35.41 | jeredepp | now i just want to do that operation if the first action is successfull and afaik this won't do that, it will do what i say regardless of what the first command returns mv file file_old; mv file_new file |
| 11:36.13 | Flashtek | mv file file_old && mv file_new file |
| 11:36.14 | ectospasm | jeredepp: try "mv file file_old && mv file_new file" |
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| 11:36.29 | jeredepp | and mv file file_old && mv file_new file won't work too because "file" still exists |
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| 11:36.54 | ectospasm | jeredepp: you're doing it wrong then |
| 11:37.03 | jeredepp | i'll report back |
| 11:37.12 | ectospasm | mv file file_old means ONLY file_old exists after the operation completes. |
| 11:37.32 | ectospasm | ...unless you've used cp and not mv |
| 11:37.34 | Flashtek | check permissions and attributs on 'file' |
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| 11:38.02 | ectospasm | that too, I was assuming that the user has write permissions to "file" |
| 11:38.12 | ectospasm | ...and read, obviously |
| 11:38.32 | ptrk | What does the following "Inst libc6 [2.11.3-2] (2.11.3-3 Debian:6.0.5/stable, Debian:stable-updates [amd64])" mean? Is libc6 upgraded through squeeze or squeeze-updates repository? |
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| 11:40.05 | nandersson | Hi, I am doing unattended installations (tftpboot) and I wonder how I can modify the root-filsystem in the debian-installer? I thought I would find the filesystem in the initrd.gz but it isn't there. Now I am trying to extract the rootfs-parameter directly from the vmlinuz-binary but I cant remember the command. |
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| 11:46.43 | jeredepp | allright, after a quick smokebreak i have to admit that i typed mv file file_old && file_new file |
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| 11:47.02 | jeredepp | genius |
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| 11:48.48 | Flashtek | jeredepp: lol.. |
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| 12:07.36 | tgs3 | on debian can I have a setuid bash script? |
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| 12:09.17 | pozic | Is there any way to run a session completely over the network (including audio)? |
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| 12:11.00 | karmab | tgs3, why not? |
| 12:11.05 | Rix | kwrite: couldn't open display :0.0 |
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| 12:11.13 | Rix | under root terminal (works fine under user) |
| 12:11.21 | tgs3 | karmab: it seems to not work |
| 12:11.34 | FilipeMaia | Hi. I'm trying to do a dd from a disk to another but I notice that there is no iseek option. Does skip behave as iseek? |
| 12:11.47 | karmab | tgs3, the FS might have been mounted with options to prevent suid executables.. |
| 12:11.51 | Rix | changed ssh_config and it still doesnt work |
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| 12:12.26 | tgs3 | karmab: mount is ok |
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| 12:14.42 | tgs3 | Except it doesn't. Well, the truth is actually that the setuid bit is disabled on a lot of *nix implementations due the massive security holes it incurs. If the method originally mentioned doesn't work for you, chances are that your Linux distribution has disabled setuid for shell scripts. |
| 12:14.47 | tgs3 | :< |
| 12:15.36 | tgs3 | yeap as I thought we need to make a wrapper as ELF program and suid it.. http://www.tuxation.com/setuid-on-shell-scripts.html |
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| 12:19.18 | jelly | tgs3: it's not the distrbution. Linux KERNEL offers no support for setuid #! scripts. |
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| 12:19.49 | jelly | it has been explicitely disabled, a long long time ago |
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| 12:21.08 | abrotman | for scripts, but you can make a setuid binary |
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| 12:23.54 | UltraMC | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:24.49 | cemil | hello |
| 12:25.00 | UltraMC | hi cemil |
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| 12:26.07 | basic6 | here's a question you probably didn't see coming: What user id should I assign to the Git user on my own git repo server? Is there like a convention, maybe a list of default uids for known service types? |
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| 12:27.21 | ETechDD | UltraMC: You can simply plug it into an USB socket and then have a look at dmesg output. |
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| 12:28.45 | UltraMC | ETechDD, I know what Im looking for - is there any way of altering dmesg output? |
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| 12:29.22 | basic6 | UltraMC: ls -lrt /dev |
| 12:30.26 | UltraMC | basic6, very funny |
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| 12:32.05 | aguitel | i installed nvidia drivers ,but glxgears is very slow ,why ? |
| 12:32.13 | ETechDD | UltraMC: I usually look for the last few lines of dmesg output, immediately after plugging the memory stick in the socket. |
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| 12:32.36 | cemil | مرحبا |
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| 12:34.19 | p0g0 | UltraMC: dmesg | grep sd is often a short list of disk devices, your most recently discovered stuff will be the last in the list. |
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| 12:39.49 | Rix | cant turn off monitor, i think it is driver issue (using ati open-source driver for laptop ati card), catalyst driver is turning it off but i want to use the open-source radeon (catalyst proprietary is buggy) |
| 12:40.17 | Rix | please help xset dpms force off just blanks the screen it doesnt turn it off |
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| 12:41.25 | ksuhku | Rix, perhaps try vbetool |
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| 12:43.55 | Rix | ksuhku it doesnt work |
| 12:44.03 | Rix | even xrandr output LVDS off just blanks the screen and doesnt turn it off |
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| 12:48.20 | Rix | found sth - http://bugs.xfree86.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26 |
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| 12:49.18 | Rix | is this fixable in squeeze? how do i do it |
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| 12:51.33 | Rix | it's way too important and have to migrate again to win7 if this issue remains, just cant use laptop when the monitor cant be turned off |
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| 12:55.57 | ignasr | Hello everyone. I'm installing Debian Wheezy on a brand new box with ATI video card connected to a monitor via DisplayPort cable. The setup goes fine, however, when it completes and the PC reboots, I can't see anything, the monitor says 'no video signal'. I can still see GRUB window and some lines later when it boots. The the screen goes blank and that's all. Any ideas on how to get the video going through the DisplayPort? |
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| 12:59.47 | abrotman | which video card specifically? |
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| 13:00.49 | linuxuser00101 | anyone know where the debain md5sums are? |
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| 13:01.25 | Calinou | google was my friend: http://wiki.debian.org/MD5 |
| 13:01.44 | Calinou | this too: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/ |
| 13:02.08 | babilen | linuxuser00101: md5sums of what? Images? Packages? Something else? |
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| 13:02.54 | linuxuser00101 | for the debian i386 ISO |
| 13:02.57 | linuxuser00101 | desktop |
| 13:03.07 | nsadmin | !debain |
| 13:03.08 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 13:03.49 | ignasr | abrotman: it's ATI RV630 (radeon hd3600 series) |
| 13:03.53 | babilen | linuxuser00101: You can find them on the mirrors -- http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS -- See also "/msg dpkg check cd" |
| 13:04.03 | linuxuser00101 | ahh cheer |
| 13:04.04 | linuxuser00101 | s |
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| 13:04.34 | babilen | linuxuser00101: You are welcome -- I am curious as to why you picked i386 and not amd64 though. (not saying that it is bad, just curious) |
| 13:04.57 | Calinou | pretty much every single computer today supports amd64 |
| 13:05.00 | Calinou | and it's faster ;) |
| 13:05.03 | linuxuser00101 | Welll... I have an i5 processor |
| 13:05.15 | Calinou | ^ supports amd64, it's just a name. "amd64" applies to intel 64 bit CPUs too |
| 13:05.16 | linuxuser00101 | 64bit I...i dont know why, more stable? |
| 13:05.28 | Calinou | faster, supports more than 3GB of RAM, runs 64 bit AND 32 bit apps |
| 13:05.37 | Calinou | (a few apps are 64 bit only) |
| 13:05.41 | linuxuser00101 | I have 6GB ram |
| 13:05.54 | linuxuser00101 | shall I get amd64? |
| 13:05.55 | UltraMC | basic6, and the command I needed was sudo df, you retard |
| 13:06.13 | Calinou | linuxuser00101, yes, definitely |
| 13:06.20 | linuxuser00101 | alright, done :D |
| 13:06.21 | basic6 | UltraMC: You're welcome |
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| 13:06.27 | Calinou | nsadmin, haha, lol |
| 13:06.41 | linuxuser00101 | so this one, right? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 13:07.09 | karmab | linuxuser00101, yes |
| 13:08.04 | linuxuser00101 | are most the ISO on the debian offical site hosted by swedish universities? |
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| 13:08.54 | babilen | !tell grubnoob -about fixmbr |
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| 13:09.44 | babilen | grubnoob: You can probably also get access to a console by booting to the "Rescue system" from the installer CD or by using another Live CD -- The chrooting procedure is the same. What exactly is your problem though? |
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| 13:11.08 | grubnoob | cant install new os or get accept to mz old os. i delete my grub section. |
| 13:11.17 | abrotman | i386 supports more than 3.3GB of RAM |
| 13:11.26 | abrotman | grubnoob: that seems a bit silly ? |
| 13:11.38 | abrotman | linuxuser00101: you can use i386 or amd64, either is acceptable |
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| 13:11.42 | grubnoob | yes really silly |
| 13:12.41 | nevyn | linuxuser00101: it's amd64 |
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| 13:13.17 | nevyn | abrotman: i386 nwith pae supports up to 64gig but pae is ugly as. |
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| 13:13.36 | babilen | linuxuser00101: I would actually recommend to use the image with firmware (/msg dpkg firmware image) or provide the firmware during the installation (/msg dpkg installer firmware) -- You also want to upgrade your kernel to a newer one in backports. The procedure is detailed in "/msg dpkg bdo" and "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" -- What kind of graphic card do you have? |
| 13:13.50 | babilen | linuxuser00101: And yeah, definitely use amd64 for that box. |
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| 13:14.10 | linuxuser00101 | Intel HD |
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| 13:15.20 | babilen | linuxuser00101: In that case you also want to install a newer Xorg version as explained in "/msg dpkg bdo xorg" which has much better support for that GPU than the version in squeeze (stable) |
| 13:16.12 | babilen | grubnoob: Well, follow "/msg dpkg fixmbr" to reinstall grub and configure it. How exactly did you delete "my grub section" (and what is that exactly?) |
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| 13:16.48 | linuxuser00101 | oh cheers! |
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| 13:17.47 | DammitJim | does one normally write scripts to set the version number of applications one develops? like after you check it in to source control and stuff like that? |
| 13:19.19 | babilen | DammitJim: I typically just hardcode the version number somewhere, but this isn't really a Debian specific issue. I would ask in the channel of whatever programming language you use. |
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| 13:19.31 | grubnoob | I have deleted empty partitions on my hard drive. this must the grub drive.. |
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| 13:19.53 | linuxuser00101 | I had to reinstall an older version of debian because I messed up the innit.d folder |
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| 13:20.02 | linuxuser00101 | it would take 13 mins to shutdown |
| 13:20.04 | UltraMC | From where to get vmlinuz or linux (kernel binary) and initrd.gz (initial ramdisk image)? |
| 13:20.20 | DammitJim | babilen, thank you... I'm getting crap at that channel and I know you guys are usually more useful so that's why I asked... my apologies for the off topic question |
| 13:20.35 | dvs | !lart DammitJim |
| 13:20.36 | dpkg | beats DammitJim senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
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| 13:21.49 | babilen | DammitJim: Just ask in #debian-offtopic next time -- As I said: I typically just hardcode the version number but the best solution might depend on the environment you develop in/for and the way you deploy the software. |
| 13:23.22 | knicn | Debian Sid with XFCE on a Powerbook G4 with a Samsung ML-2160 printer. I've plugged in the printer and it seems it isn't found as I can't print stuff, when I try in Iceweasel it only gives the option to save the page as a file. Any ideas? |
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| 13:23.37 | babilen | grubnoob: Did you manage to fix it? |
| 13:24.22 | knicn | I don't know anything at all about printers but cups is installed. Maybe that's not enough? |
| 13:24.35 | grubnoob | i did the 3 command. now i have to translate chroot xD |
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| 13:28.47 | babilen | knicn: Check http://localhost:631 and add your printer. "Cups for Administrators" (give your root password) → "Adding Printers and Classes" → "Printers" → "Add" |
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| 13:30.11 | babilen | knicn: I couldn't find specific information for ML-2160 but http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Samsung/Samsung-ML-2150 might be applicable and recommends to use the pxlmono driver. |
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| 13:30.14 | grubnoob | i am sad or frustrated now. think the langugebarrier is to big to solve it |
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| 13:31.21 | babilen | grubnoob: There are a lot of German speaking people in #debian.de here on Freenode and on irc.oftc.net (OFTC has been busy) -- I am there as well and it'll be easier than us speaking in English here. |
| 13:32.02 | UltraMC | How to set USB stick bootable " set the bootable bootable flag." ? |
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| 13:32.30 | UltraMC | Its from here [7] http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en#id586675 |
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| 13:33.07 | babilen | !tell grubnoob about de |
| 13:33.42 | aguitel | babilen, i installed nvidia drivers but glxgears run too slowly ,what is wrong ? |
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| 13:35.24 | babilen | aguitel: How did you install them? Could you show me the output of 'glxinfo|grep -iE "render(ing|er)"' please ( http://paste.debian.net ) -- Why do you ask me specifically and not the channel? |
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| 13:36.09 | aguitel | babilen, i ask you because you yesterday help about install it |
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| 13:36.47 | babilen | aguitel: Makes sense :) |
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| 13:37.20 | knicn | Powerbook G4 with Debian Sid XFCE can't detect Samsung ML-2160 printer. Cups is installed. Don't know anything at all about printers. Any help? (laptop died so didn't see if I got a reply earlier) |
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| 13:38.09 | aguitel | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/182767/ |
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| 13:39.51 | engla | knicn: babilen mentioned http://localhost:631 |
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| 13:40.05 | babilen | knicn: Did you read what I told you earlier? |
| 13:40.20 | knicn | babilen: nope |
| 13:40.40 | babilen | aguitel: That looks fine -- What makes you think that glxgears is "slow" (you are aware that glxgears is *not* a benchmark, aren't you?) |
| 13:40.53 | fishsponge | hey people - i just upgraded from lenny to squeeze and now need to run "upgrade-from-grub-legacy"... it is giving me the options to install to /dev/sda, /dev/sdb or /dev/sda2 (which is root)... which should I go for? |
| 13:40.59 | fishsponge | presumably /dev/sda, right? |
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| 13:41.32 | dvs | fishsponge: yes, chances are that's what you want. |
| 13:41.34 | knicn | I tried "find new printers" on the cups page but it didn't find anything |
| 13:41.35 | babilen | knicn: Well, please do or are the messages not in your scrollback? (I sent them at 14:28:46 and 14:30:10 BST) |
| 13:41.50 | fishsponge | dvs, "chances are" ?? |
| 13:41.50 | knicn | they're not there, the laptop died |
| 13:41.56 | fishsponge | dvs, how can i tell for definite? |
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| 13:42.10 | babilen | fishsponge: /dev/sda sounds about right |
| 13:42.10 | dvs | fishsponge: is /dev/sda your boot drive? |
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| 13:42.44 | fishsponge | dvs, sda is the boot drive, sda2 is the root partition and sdb just has one partition which is mounted elsewhere in the filesystem. |
| 13:42.50 | fishsponge | can i tell from the existing grub config? |
| 13:42.59 | aguitel | babilen, i compare glxgears running in same machine ,same nvidia driver installed but in different os |
| 13:43.18 | fishsponge | i.e. can i work out where it's currently installed? |
| 13:43.39 | dvs | fishsponge: you want /dev/sda then. |
| 13:44.29 | fishsponge | dvs, so i definitely want sda, not sda2, right? |
| 13:44.46 | dvs | fishsponge: oh yes, definitely NOT sda2 |
| 13:44.50 | fishsponge | cool |
| 13:44.53 | fishsponge | will give it go now... |
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| 13:45.43 | fishsponge | so i've just run "upgrade-from-grub-legacy"... time to run to the server and type "reboot"? |
| 13:46.20 | nsadmin | does your /boot/grub/grub.conf look ok? |
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| 13:47.08 | fishsponge | nsadmin, dunno... gonna have a look now... |
| 13:47.23 | fishsponge | i only have "/boot/grub/grub.cfg" |
| 13:47.42 | fishsponge | and i have no idea if that looks OK or not - never looked at it before and it has so many lines!!! |
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| 13:47.44 | nsadmin | oh, yes that's the file |
| 13:47.52 | fishsponge | 169 lines |
| 13:48.29 | nsadmin | you should see a section where it has at least two stanzas, the first for normal boot, the other for single-user |
| 13:48.35 | nsadmin | is this a remote? |
| 13:48.38 | fishsponge | i was running lenny, I fixed "sources.list" to point at squeeze, then followed this guide: http://www.howtoforge.com/upgrade-debian-lenny-to-squeeze-in-a-few-simple-steps |
| 13:48.53 | fishsponge | nsadmin, it is remote, but the server is downstairs - currently i'm SSH'd in. |
| 13:48.57 | nsadmin | did you complete that? |
| 13:49.06 | knicn | Could someone resend what babilen wrote to me as I missed it? |
| 13:49.15 | nsadmin | so "remote" means one floor below? |
| 13:49.28 | fishsponge | i have done everything in the guide above and have just finished dealing with "upgrade-from-grub-legacy". according to this guide, i'm now ready to reboot |
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| 13:49.34 | fishsponge | nsadmin, well in this case, yes! |
| 13:49.44 | fishsponge | basically, i'm not at the console, but can be (but without IRC) |
| 13:51.06 | babilen | knicn: I'll do it -- One second please. |
| 13:51.18 | knicn | printer-driver-splix seems to be the correct driver for the printer (ML-2160) and it's installed , so what else could be missing? |
| 13:51.28 | fishsponge | nsadmin, i did complete the guide, and even tested the "chainlinked" grub2, or whatever it's called. the guide is now completed, i just need to reboot.... just double-checking things first. |
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| 13:51.44 | babilen | knicn: http://paste.debian.net/182772/ |
| 13:52.01 | nsadmin | fishsponge, what does this server serve? |
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| 13:52.02 | fishsponge | nsadmin, i do see various bits in this grub.cfg file, but i don't obviously see bits for single-user and normal, etc... |
| 13:52.13 | fishsponge | nsadmin, it's a mail server which also has webmail |
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| 13:52.25 | knicn | babilen: thanks!' |
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| 13:53.37 | nsadmin | fishsponge, you may be ready to reboot... have you dumped your databases and mail data? |
| 13:53.39 | babilen | knicn: Not sure -- You mentioned that it doesn't detect your printer though. Not sure how you can add it or what you tried exactly. |
| 13:53.48 | fishsponge | nsadmin, here's grub.cfg: http://pastebin.ca/2178480 |
| 13:53.54 | woshty | what exactly are the rt kernels supposed to be used for? |
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| 13:54.05 | fishsponge | nsadmin, everything is backed up daily anyway, so we're all good. |
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| 13:54.44 | knicn | babilen: i've only tried printing something in iceweasel and searching in the cups page that you linked. but now i can't connect to that page for some reason |
| 13:55.11 | fishsponge | nsadmin, doesn't grub.cfg look OK to you? |
| 13:55.25 | nsadmin | maybe you'll have some work getting the newer web server going with your webmail... other than that, you might be good to go (pending your own decision and the person who was helping you before) |
| 13:55.26 | babilen | knicn: What happens if you try? |
| 13:55.38 | nsadmin | still looking |
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| 13:56.23 | fishsponge | nsadmin, webmail won't have an issue at all - it logs onto localhost with IMAP :-) |
| 13:57.01 | fishsponge | as for my own decision and the person that was helping me before, there was no other person... i've followed this guide and i'm upgrading our live production mail server on my own! gracefully though, of course... |
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| 13:57.58 | fishsponge | nsadmin, let me know when you have finished looking and whether your general opinion is that grub.cfg looks OK :-) |
| 13:58.30 | nsadmin | I'm looking at that, and I have a few questions (but the file does look good) |
| 13:58.52 | fishsponge | nsadmin, happy to answer questions :-) |
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| 13:59.07 | nsadmin | what I've noticed is you have a lot of different i386 kernels (well 686), some bigmem, some not |
| 13:59.15 | knicn | babilen: "Iceweasel can't establish a connection to the server at localhost:631." |
| 13:59.31 | nsadmin | firstly, how much ram does the server have? |
| 13:59.39 | fishsponge | nsadmin, indeed... we have 4GB RAM and it's a 32-bit server, so we ended up with bigmem kernels back when it was built... |
| 13:59.40 | babilen | knicn: Hmm, try restarting cups as root ("service cups restart") |
| 13:59.49 | fishsponge | bigmem perhaps not needed, but there in case we put in more RAM one day |
| 14:00.08 | knicn | babilen: tried after i sent that and didn't work, then again and now it works :) |
| 14:00.35 | knicn | ...and now it doesn't. |
| 14:00.35 | nsadmin | what's your uname -r now? |
| 14:00.46 | fishsponge | nsadmin, default bootable kernel is the bigmem one (I think), so there is surplus stuff but should be fine. |
| 14:00.51 | fishsponge | nsadmin, uname -r is "2.6.32-5-686-bigmem" |
| 14:01.06 | nsadmin | oh, you're already running the squeeze kernel |
| 14:01.08 | babilen | knicn: /me rages and shakes fists randomly |
| 14:01.18 | fishsponge | nsadmin, yep - already rebooted, but only just put the new grub in place. |
| 14:01.33 | nsadmin | so a reboot would test grub? |
| 14:02.07 | fishsponge | well i already rebooted with the old grub in the MBR, but chainlinked to the new grub and it worked. so now i've put the new grub into the MBR and would like to reboot to check that it now works from the MBR |
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| 14:02.39 | fishsponge | nsadmin, oh, and since going from lenny to squeeze, mysql won't start, so i'll need to look into that... can't remember what it's on there for, but probably the webmail system. |
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| 14:03.26 | nsadmin | I'd say go ahead and restart to see if the grub works |
| 14:03.43 | nsadmin | how would you be able to tell if it's working? |
| 14:04.00 | nsadmin | do you see two grub boots one after the other when chainloading? |
| 14:04.05 | fishsponge | i would be able to tell if it's working because if it boots, I know it's working. if it doesn't boot, i know it's broken. |
| 14:04.21 | fishsponge | when chainloading, yes you do. one grub boots, you choose your boot option, and then another grub loads! |
| 14:04.32 | fishsponge | then you choose another boot option and the OS boots! |
| 14:04.44 | nsadmin | yes, I have a weather rock that works the same way... if it's wet, it's raining... if it's gone, you've been ripped off! |
| 14:04.56 | fishsponge | right... time to reboot... will be back shortly (hopefully). gonna go watch the console. |
| 14:05.04 | nsadmin | ok |
| 14:05.11 | nsadmin | good luck |
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| 14:06.39 | knicn | babilen: i think i added it in the cups web interface now and i got this., not sure how to interpret it http://paste.debian.net/182773/ |
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| 14:08.15 | babilen | knicn: o_O -- Neither do I. Has the printer been added? Can you print a test page in the Maintenance section of the printer's page? |
| 14:09.05 | fishsponge | nsadmin, it has booted successfully! just need to figure out why mysql won't start now... |
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| 14:10.14 | babilen | !tell fishsponge about squeeze mysql |
| 14:11.06 | linuxuser0100 | so I have an acer aspire and I am lookiing for a documentation to install the wireless driver |
| 14:11.38 | nsadmin | fishsponge, well you can look at the mysql logs, you can try to start it with /etc/init.d/mysql start to see if that reveals anything, the mysql version may have upgraded which could mean you need to make a dump of the old db and feed it to mysql |
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| 14:12.45 | knicn | babilen: ok so i managed to print a page and it says INTERNAL ERROR - Please use the proper driver. |
| 14:13.08 | fishsponge | nsadmin, babilen has told dpkg to tell me something, so looking into that now... |
| 14:13.34 | nsadmin | yeah, I saw that |
| 14:13.40 | fishsponge | what does "rc" mean at the start of a "dpkg -l" line? |
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| 14:14.13 | nsadmin | config files present, otherwise has been removed |
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| 14:14.45 | fishsponge | hmm... i don't mind sticking with mysql 5.0, but it won't start, so would it be easier to fix it or to migrate to 5.1 ? |
| 14:15.04 | babilen | fishsponge: What about skip-bdb ? |
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| 14:15.24 | nsadmin | fishsponge, when you back up, do you specifically have mysql prepare a dump? |
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| 14:15.32 | babilen | Do you get any specific errors when you try to start it? |
| 14:15.52 | fishsponge | nsadmin, yes, I do a mysqldump in cron which is then backed up, so all is good. |
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| 14:16.20 | nsadmin | ok, so you could potentially restore the dump to the 5.1 |
| 14:16.37 | nsadmin | good to know |
| 14:16.43 | fishsponge | nsadmin, i'm running "apt-get install mysql-server-5.1"... |
| 14:17.26 | nsadmin | fishsponge, also make sure you dealwith/answer babilen's q about skip-bdb |
| 14:17.50 | fishsponge | i have a lovely setup of mysqldumps on my webhost too, with a nightly rsync to my box at home which runs through my ISP router and then through an Untangle firewall VM running in ESXi, with another VM as my webhost in a virtual DMZ, and another VM as my main server.... which then makes daily snapshots of everything on my NAS with a script I wrote myself... quite nice in my opinion :-) |
| 14:17.51 | themill | (be very careful with using mysqldump for backup/restore -- it doesn't deal with character encoding very sanely) |
| 14:18.09 | fishsponge | yeah, what is skip-bdb? just "apt-cache search"'d it, and tried to type it - nothing... |
| 14:18.13 | fishsponge | might have to google it |
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| 14:18.37 | linuxuser0100 | how do you find out what wireless driver you need |
| 14:18.40 | linuxuser0100 | what's the command again? |
| 14:18.55 | mdh | I thought I had fixed this problem yesterday, but I guess not. I have a sid machine that does not start x if there is no monitor attached. It used to work without one. (I use VNC over SSH to control the machine when I need the desktop, and this does not work if the desktop environment does not load). This problem seems similar to this one: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=66643 but their solutions aren't working for me. |
| 14:18.57 | nsadmin | themill, wow... what would you use? |
| 14:19.00 | babilen | fishsponge: Grep your my.cnf for it -- http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/server-options.html#option_mysqld_skip-bdb |
| 14:19.11 | jargon- | is there no libreoffice in the squeeze repo? |
| 14:19.11 | themill | nsadmin: you can use mysqldump, you just have to be very careful |
| 14:19.19 | jargon- | or am i doing it wrong? |
| 14:19.20 | themill | jargon-: backports.debian.org |
| 14:19.28 | jargon- | themill: aah, i see. thanks |
| 14:20.05 | themill | nsadmin: mysql in general doesn't handle encodings very sanely and the things built on top of it are often even worse. |
| 14:20.09 | fishsponge | babilen, i don't have skip-bdb in my.cnf |
| 14:20.19 | dvs | linuxuser0100: lspci -n | grep -i net |
| 14:20.23 | nsadmin | themill, does that only apply if the database is encoded other than ascii? |
| 14:20.49 | fishsponge | babilen, skip-bdb seems to speed things up... i don't need it any faster though :-) |
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| 14:21.15 | linuxuser0100 | nothing shows up when I do that command :/ |
| 14:21.31 | themill | nsadmin: if all you're dealing with is ascii then you're fine. You'd probably also be fine if you were dealing with a Swedish legacy locale. |
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| 14:22.27 | nsadmin | themill, ok... is swedish legacy an 8-bit encoding? |
| 14:22.43 | fishsponge | nsadmin, found out why i needed mysql - it was for the webmail settings. and now i've installed 5.1 it's working fine! :-) |
| 14:22.56 | nsadmin | oh awesome ;) |
| 14:23.24 | nsadmin | now, about upgrading production... or ever touching it before testing on your dev server... |
| 14:24.08 | themill | nsadmin: yeah, which is one of the problems. And you can happily stick other encodings into the db and mysql will swallow them... you'll just end up with jibberish afterwards if you don't handle things carefully later on |
| 14:24.12 | fishsponge | so basically, within 1.5 hours i have gone from a not-even updated lenny to the very latest squeeze on a live production mail server running exim4, dovecot (for SIMAP and SPOP3), Horde webmail, mysql, phpmyadmin and a DNS server with basically no issues! :-) |
| 14:24.29 | fishsponge | i must now get on to my next task at hand... thanks for the help nsadmin & babilen :-) |
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| 14:25.13 | fishsponge | oh, and in my case, if the mysql backup turns out to be a failure over time, it's not important - webmail settings are rarely touched and are easily re-creatable by staff. |
| 14:25.44 | nsadmin | fishsponge, I'm glad it worked out and all... so now copy your production to a staging |
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| 14:25.47 | babilen | fishsponge: You are most welcome. Have a nice day and do not forget to recommend Debian ;) |
| 14:26.12 | nsadmin | and (repeat after me) -always- test upgrades by testing on the staging server |
| 14:26.32 | knicn | ok so i think i know what the problem is. when i set up the printer in cups web interface i get to choose model, but the model ml2160 isn't in that list, the closest i got was ml2150 and when i chose that it didn't print anything at all not even an error |
| 14:26.47 | knicn | so it seems i need to find a ppd whatever that is for ml2160 |
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| 14:27.30 | nsadmin | knicn, a first-cut on that is to google for "cups ppd for ml2160" |
| 14:27.31 | babilen | knicn: Samsung might provide that. Did you try it with the recommended pxlmono driver? |
| 14:28.49 | sambagirl | 我也會出現水泡在我的手指! |
| 14:28.51 | babilen | knicn: http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/model/ML-2160/XEU-downloads (no idea what they provide but the "print driver" thingie is *HUGE* and certainly isn't the PPD alone. |
| 14:29.29 | sambagirl | I see a bunch of updates for Debian 6.0.5. Will i need to restart the system after the updates? Or can i choose to do that later? |
| 14:29.30 | babilen | sambagirl: Please speak English and we are not interested in your blisters. |
| 14:29.40 | sambagirl | wow babilen :D |
| 14:29.45 | microcolonel | :P |
| 14:29.47 | babilen | sambagirl: Hmm? |
| 14:29.50 | microcolonel | :freenode: |
| 14:29.55 | nsadmin | sambagirl, hi, welcome to debian support. this channel operates in english; please let us know what language you prefer. |
| 14:30.00 | sambagirl | you understood it! |
| 14:30.40 | sambagirl | Actually I prefer Spanglish |
| 14:30.44 | ksk | sambagirl: apt/aptitude does not restart the server, but suggest restarting some deamons sometime |
| 14:30.45 | sambagirl | is there Spanglish channel? |
| 14:30.56 | microcolonel | this would be it |
| 14:30.59 | microcolonel | if there were one |
| 14:30.59 | babilen | sambagirl: you only have to restart for kernel upgrades and you might want to check the output of the "checkrestart" program which is packages in the debian-goodies program. (Yeah, I studied Chinese for quite a while and lived over there. Still off-topic) |
| 14:31.07 | nsadmin | sambagirl, if the updates carry a new kernel, you'd probably reboot in order to run that |
| 14:31.08 | sambagirl | ksk i just wanted to do the updae but not reboot that machine at the moment. |
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| 14:31.34 | sambagirl | ok babilen you got me |
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| 14:32.04 | mdh | Anyone know anything about why Xserver won't start without a monitor on debian sid? |
| 14:32.13 | Achab_ | {bye |
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| 14:32.32 | nsadmin | mdh, you probably don't want to run an x server |
| 14:33.14 | nsadmin | not without monitor/video card |
| 14:33.29 | Rix | if a device in lspci doesnt list kernel driver in use - does that mean that the device is not loaded? |
| 14:33.32 | \n | Hi, I have a prob--never mind |
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| 14:33.55 | mdh | nsadmin I want to be able to access the gui over VNC. Can I do that without Xserver? |
| 14:33.57 | Rix | lspci -k i mean |
| 14:34.00 | babilen | \n: Beg your pardon? |
| 14:34.08 | knicn | babilen: i found the ppd for this printer in that file and i added it but still won't print anything :( |
| 14:34.10 | babilen | Rix: Could you paste the output to http://paste.debian.net please? |
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| 14:34.25 | \n | aptitude was unresponsive, but making sure no instances are running and removing /run/lock/aptitude solved it |
| 14:34.52 | nsadmin | mdh, you can do that without running an x server on that machine as long as you have the x client libs and whatever other libs are in support of the x clients you wish to run |
| 14:35.07 | smv | I'm trying to findout what's the difference between a bios boot partition and a uefi system partition. any ideea? I want to use gpt and grub2 on a system with uefi, but I'm not sure what path should I go... |
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| 14:35.33 | tgs3 | smv: isnt uefi evil |
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| 14:35.55 | smv | tgs3: only secure boot is. |
| 14:35.57 | nsadmin | no vnc, no x server, just ssh in to the no-monitor machine |
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| 14:36.11 | nsadmin | and run the clients from the ssh session |
| 14:36.43 | babilen | knicn: That is most unedifying |
| 14:36.52 | Rix | http://paste.debian.net/182779/ so in line 41 -> if kernel driver is not listed, does that mean that the graphic card is not loaded (and only the intel graphics is?)? |
| 14:36.53 | mdh | nsadmin I use this machine for virtualbox and I'd like to manage the vms through the gui. |
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| 14:37.40 | _DomY-Dom | Hi, i'm trying to run a .sh or direct commands through PHP but I can't tell what user "PHP" seems signed in. As in, for example when I view the list of users in the browser by putting "getent passwd" in the .sh, I get only the "webmaster:x:1009:1011:,,,:/home/webmaster:/bin/bash" in the list, or when I list / I get only "var" that shows up. which user is this that has these restrictions and how do I su root ? |
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| 14:37.56 | Rix | intel graphics is 6,7 and 8th lines |
| 14:38.43 | mdh | nsadmin The part that I don't understand is that it used to work right up until about a week ago, but now it won't start X without plugging a monitor in |
| 14:38.49 | nsadmin | _DomY-Dom, could that mean the user is "webmaster", a plain user you added? |
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| 14:39.21 | nsadmin | mdh, look in your system journal and see what you did "about a week ago" |
| 14:39.31 | _DomY-Dom | nsadmin: yes that seems correct. But what user is "signed in" ? |
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| 14:40.26 | nsadmin | when you look under the hood, there's no such thing... what there -is-, is a process which is owned by the user |
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| 14:40.58 | |thunder | DISOWN! |
| 14:41.01 | mdh | nsadmin I tried to completely remove gnome, which I later determined was a bad decision. Then I noticed the problem with X not starting, then I decided that it would just be best to reinstall the system. I reinstalled with testing and upgraded to sid, and the problem is still occuring for some reason. |
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| 14:41.20 | nsadmin | and as linux is a multiprocess/multiuser system, there can be more than one user |
| 14:41.52 | nsadmin | mdh, do you want to run gnome clients on that machine to display on a different machine? |
| 14:41.53 | _DomY-Dom | nsadmin: ok but I mean like I have a .sh on the server that installs let's say anything let's say, it contains "aptitude install htop"; on the PHP page, I have something that runs the .sh but then it needs to be root so that htop actually installs on the server; how do I do that ? |
| 14:42.01 | knicn | babilen: maybe its related to this laptop having a ppc cpu but i'm giving up for now, thanks for all the help. i'll try another day. |
| 14:42.07 | |thunder | Can anyone point me in the right direction to solve this: (sry to spam) |
| 14:42.08 | |thunder | /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart |
| 14:42.08 | |thunder | Shutting down ALSA...done. |
| 14:42.08 | |thunder | Setting up ALSA...warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'Unknown hardware: "VIA8237" "Realtek ALC658D" "AC97a:414c4781" "0x1043" "0x810a" |
| 14:42.08 | |thunder | Hardware is initialized using a guess method'...done. |
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| 14:42.18 | |thunder | oops |
| 14:42.21 | |thunder | sorry |
| 14:42.34 | mdh | nsadmin I just want to run 1 desktop on the machine and access it though vnc with no monitor. |
| 14:42.43 | fishsponge | anybody here use horde3 as webmail?? if so, the main horde login page just gives this and nothing else... http://pastebin.ca/2178492 |
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| 14:43.06 | mdh | nsadmin Gnome or anything else is fine as long as I can get x to boot with the system. |
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| 14:43.32 | _DomY-Dom | fishsponge why don't you go for roundcube or squirrelmail... |
| 14:43.45 | _DomY-Dom | nsadmin ? |
| 14:43.55 | nsadmin | mdh, have you heard the phrase "X is a client/server system"? |
| 14:44.05 | fishsponge | because we already have horde installed and configured and all the staff members are used to it. it'll be easier to fix it this afternoon than to replace is and teach all the staff a new system... |
| 14:44.11 | fishsponge | _DomY-Dom, ^^ |
| 14:44.40 | _DomY-Dom | fishsponge k good luck with that |
| 14:44.46 | mdh | nsadmin Is there something else that I could use for a graphical environment then other than x? |
| 14:45.08 | _DomY-Dom | nsadmin: how do I get to install a programme as root on the server by running a .sh script through php please ? |
| 14:45.23 | nsadmin | mdh, do you have the man page for X? |
| 14:45.38 | mdh | nsadmin, yes, I do |
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| 14:46.21 | _DomY-Dom | Does anyone else know how do I get to install a programme as root on the server by running a .sh script through php please ? |
| 14:46.30 | fishsponge | _DomY-Dom, is that a genuine "good luck", or do you know that horde simply won't work? |
| 14:46.42 | sponji | fishsponge: lets see the code for index.php line 92 and Notification.php line 64 |
| 14:46.43 | Rix | how do i disable device in line 41 (ati graphics) http://paste.debian.net/182779 |
| 14:47.13 | _DomY-Dom | fishsponge: no genuine, never tried but the error looks horrid, hate configuring webmail services :/ |
| 14:47.34 | fishsponge | line 64 of Notification.php is: $notification[$stack] = &new Notification($stack); |
| 14:48.01 | sponji | what log file is this from? |
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| 14:48.10 | fishsponge | line 92 of index.php is: header('Location: ' . $main_page); |
| 14:48.25 | fishsponge | and this is the horde package installed from the debian repository too! |
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| 14:48.28 | ksuhku | Rix, that could be possible via BIOS setup |
| 14:48.57 | sponji | is this php errors? |
| 14:49.13 | nsadmin | ok, I'll assume that man page to be included by reference in this conversation... an "x server" being the thing that makes available key strokes, mouse movements and clicks, and graphical space (as on a video card and monitor). an x -client- is a program that connects to an X server (anywhere in the world) and causes the (possibly remote) display to have stuff drawn, and listens for mouse/kbd on the remote. |
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| 14:49.35 | Rix | it cant be done, ksuhku. there are two options - discrete graphics (ati) and switchable graphics (both). No option for intel only (to save power on the laptop) |
| 14:49.43 | nsadmin | the point being, you don't need anything except X, as it's -already- client/server |
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| 14:50.05 | ksuhku | Rix, then it's time to use screwdriver? |
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| 14:50.14 | Rix | :D |
| 14:50.23 | fishsponge | _DomY-Dom, ^^ |
| 14:50.23 | UltraMC | I have mounted Flash drive @ /mnt but cant edit it. It contains "ldlinux.sys" as I've executed "mkdosfs" and "syslinux /dev/sdc1". How to copy files in there? |
| 14:50.35 | nsadmin | inducts ksuhku, into the Order of the Golden Screwdriver |
| 14:50.46 | ksuhku | :D |
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| 14:51.37 | Rix | removing and putting hardware graphics card from a laptop everyday? There must be device disabling in linux. But i cant find how |
| 14:51.44 | nsadmin | copy them to /mnt? |
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| 14:52.13 | ksuhku | I had no idea you wanted to do it daily |
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| 14:52.54 | |thunder | UltraMC; is it mounted ? |
| 14:53.12 | |thunder | UltraMC; can you navigate to it ? |
| 14:53.18 | |thunder | UltraMC; is it writeable ? |
| 14:53.27 | UltraMC | It is mounted, can navigate |
| 14:53.32 | UltraMC | how to check if its writable? |
| 14:53.35 | |thunder | UltraMC; just unwritable ? |
| 14:53.41 | |thunder | UltraMC; try to write to it |
| 14:53.46 | UltraMC | well yeah cant create or copy |
| 14:53.50 | UltraMC | (as user) |
| 14:53.59 | |thunder | echo "test 123" > file.txt |
| 14:54.06 | |thunder | then you need to remount it |
| 14:54.24 | |thunder | umount /dev/mnt/something |
| 14:54.30 | UltraMC | why to echo something to a text file? |
| 14:54.33 | |thunder | then mount it with permission |
| 14:54.37 | fishsponge | right - who knows of the most simple to setup webmail client? |
| 14:54.41 | fishsponge | _DomY-Dom, ^^ |
| 14:54.41 | |thunder | to test for writability |
| 14:54.49 | |thunder | webferret is easy |
| 14:54.51 | UltraMC | fishsponge, LAMP |
| 14:54.56 | _DomY-Dom | fishsponge: what ^^ ? |
| 14:55.08 | fishsponge | _DomY-Dom, that means see the line above I forgot to mention you in :-) |
| 14:55.30 | fishsponge | UltraMC, isn't LAMP an acronym for Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP/etc... rather than a webmail client? |
| 14:55.40 | _DomY-Dom | fishsponge: what are you using postfix or exim4 ? |
| 14:55.41 | |thunder | fishsponge; affirmative |
| 14:55.47 | nsadmin | fishsponge, a webmail client is a computer that has a web browser |
| 14:55.55 | |thunder | lol |
| 14:56.01 | |thunder | cant argue with that |
| 14:56.05 | fishsponge | _DomY-Dom, we are using dovecot as the IMAP/POP3 server and exim4 as the SMTP |
| 14:56.16 | nsadmin | I think he wants to set up the server :) |
| 14:56.39 | tharkun | If I run top i keep getting this flush-254:7 appearing at the very beginning of the list |
| 14:56.46 | sponji | openwebmail is simple |
| 14:56.58 | nsadmin | fishsponge, or linux/perl/postgres/apache |
| 14:57.03 | fishsponge | nsadmin, ok, i have always thought of a webmail client being horde or squirrelmail, because the mail server is the mail server, and squirrelmail is the client by which you access the mail server, hence why it's a client... |
| 14:57.11 | fishsponge | but i guess the web browser is the client to the client |
| 14:57.17 | mdh | nsadmin, idk why but it seems like it might be working now for some reason, i can tunnel gui progs from my putty client |
| 14:57.28 | _DomY-Dom | fishsponge: not sure why you need both, i'm pretty sure I only have exim4 for both of those and it works fine |
| 14:57.50 | _DomY-Dom | fishsponge: anyways, ummh SquirrelMail seems to work pretty easily with exim4, but roundcube would work too |
| 14:57.52 | UltraMC | fishsponge, and isint that a ready mailserver? |
| 14:58.32 | _DomY-Dom | fishsponge: this page http://wiki.edseek.com/howto:exim4_courier mentions SquirrelMail |
| 14:58.41 | _DomY-Dom | fishsponge: but roundcube is better and would work too ;) |
| 14:59.27 | fishsponge | _DomY-Dom, exim4 does not act as an IMAP/POP3 server... it is simply an SMTP server... unless i'm wrong. |
| 14:59.48 | nsadmin | bbiaw... mdh, if you're interested in the client/server nature of X, have a look at that man page... if that's all what you want to do, you could consider that depending on some factors (that is, just using x)... you may have other reasons to use vnc; I never have myself |
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| 15:00.23 | nsadmin | fishsponge, imap/pop is largely a MUA |
| 15:00.36 | nsadmin | and possibly also a MDA |
| 15:00.42 | _DomY-Dom | fishsponge: sorry my mistake yeah i have courrier-imap and exim4 |
| 15:00.54 | _DomY-Dom | fishsponge: thought dovecot was something else |
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| 15:01.00 | nsadmin | bb |
| 15:01.18 | fishsponge | not heard of the acronym MUA or MDA... all I know in my head is that exim4 is an SMTP server, and things like uw-imapd, dovecot, etc... are IMAP/POP3 servers... exim4 does not do IMAP and POP3, right? |
| 15:01.32 | aguitel | i need to install this nvidia drver :http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/47133 but with debian way it install the serie 302 how to do that ? |
| 15:01.34 | _DomY-Dom | fishsponge: yes sorry my mistake |
| 15:01.42 | fishsponge | _DomY-Dom, dovecot is an IMAP/POP3 server, so is the equivalent to your courier-imap |
| 15:01.48 | _DomY-Dom | fishsponge: yes |
| 15:01.49 | fishsponge | anyway... back to webmail... |
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| 15:01.57 | _DomY-Dom | roundcube :D |
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| 15:02.01 | fishsponge | what can I have installed and working within 30 minutes? |
| 15:02.15 | fishsponge | will roundcube speak via IMAP protocol? |
| 15:02.18 | _DomY-Dom | Yep |
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| 15:04.01 | linuxuser001 | so I've install my wireless driver but each time I go to install something this error appears |
| 15:04.21 | linuxuser001 | Use b43 firmware. This is just for the b43legacy driver. Aborting. dpkg: error processing firmware-b43legacy-installer (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 configured to not write apport reports Setting up irssi (0.8.15-2) ... Processing triggers for menu ... Errors were encountered while processing: firmware-b43legacy-installer E: Sub-p |
| 15:05.08 | linuxuser001 | how do I stop that? |
| 15:06.07 | fishsponge | ok, i've installed roundcube... which URL do i find it by?? |
| 15:06.14 | fishsponge | can't find it in the apache config |
| 15:07.04 | ansgar | fishsponge: Have you looked in /usr/share/doc/roundcube? |
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| 15:07.53 | fishsponge | ansgar, just looked in there - still doesn't give the URL |
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| 15:09.04 | ansgar | There's also /usr/share/doc/roundcube-core. |
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| 15:09.31 | _DomY-Dom | hi, how do I configure apache/php and sudoers so that I can execute a command as sudo through php ? |
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| 15:10.53 | linuxuser001 | I solved the problem by removing the b43legacy driver, what THIS wise? |
| 15:10.56 | fishsponge | thanks ansgar... i'm still a bit lost though... i'm 10 minutes into my 30, and I still cannot find the URL that is setup in apache for me to access roundcube! |
| 15:11.00 | linuxuser001 | everything seems to be in working order at the moment |
| 15:11.20 | fishsponge | it's almost as if there's part of the config missing and I need to write some apache config to make it accessible or something... |
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| 15:17.39 | b0rsuk | Hello, I'm using openjdk-6-jdk and junit packages. I try to compile a simple unit test, but I get an error "package org.junit does not exist". |
| 15:17.44 | b0rsuk | Any hints ? |
| 15:18.51 | b0rsuk | My unittest file: http://bpaste.net/show/9QiygeMABJKKNSXdjtHx/ |
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| 15:19.58 | nsadmin | b0rsuk, don't you need to import |
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| 15:21.16 | UltraMC | USB install stick - "bootable" flag needs to be on entire stick or only on partition containing installator? |
| 15:21.31 | jelly | UltraMC: the latter |
| 15:22.00 | nsadmin | fishsponge, don't you have to put something into apache's DocumentRoot |
| 15:22.08 | jelly | UltraMC: (the "bootable" flag can only be attached to a DOS MBR partition, so there's no way to do the former) |
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| 15:23.48 | UltraMC | jelly, is that correct: http://paste.debian.net/182788/ ? (I had not to turn bootable flag on, its just by default afer creation) |
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| 15:24.55 | UltraMC | after putting installation ISO on USB stick - do I have to "sync"? |
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| 15:28.23 | b0rsuk | nsadmin: is that a question ? |
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| 15:35.47 | fishsponge | nsadmin, ok, it turns out i needed to uncomment two lines at the top of "/etc/roundcube/apache.conf"! |
| 15:36.18 | nsadmin | great! are you completely up? |
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| 15:37.11 | mdh | nsadmin, i think i fixed my problem by disabling the noveau driver |
| 15:37.32 | |thunder | mdh; i had the same issue. killed nvidia |
| 15:37.42 | |thunder | mdh; had to blacklist it |
| 15:39.01 | nsadmin | mdh, that's great, so no monitor and you can do vnc? |
| 15:39.26 | mdh | nsadmin, yep, everything seems to be working |
| 15:39.45 | mdh | nsadmin except "advanced" gnome 3, but i'd rather live without that lol |
| 15:40.11 | nsadmin | you would put that stuff on the server I guess |
| 15:40.16 | UltraMC | Is using cp is ok when coping ISO to USB stick for installation? Or shall I dd it |
| 15:41.11 | nsadmin | (note for the record tho, having any X on the server (including clients and client libs) is considered not a great idea (for security reasons), and unusual |
| 15:41.24 | nsadmin | ) |
| 15:41.39 | UltraMC | nsadmin, tell him about port changing, restricting X for usage of specyfic user and it will be fine |
| 15:42.09 | UltraMC | AND about port scanning prevention |
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| 15:43.08 | nsadmin | UltraMC, would you like to do those honors? I'm not completely versed in those areas of vnc |
| 15:43.11 | MarkyP | this the right place for help ith raspbian? |
| 15:43.34 | mdh | it's on a private network without internet forwarding, is there much risk? |
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| 15:43.56 | nsadmin | maybe... or, /msg alis help to find other channels |
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| 15:44.10 | nsadmin | mdh, if you trust all insiders :)\ |
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| 15:53.50 | abrotman | MarkyP: http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianIRC |
| 15:54.16 | MarkyP | thank you |
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| 15:56.39 | mandje | hi all. after boot the debian shell is wating with login prompt. looks ok. but then after a short while there are error messages on 'ata6.00' appearing on the screen. |
| 15:56.41 | b0rsuk | TestSubscription.java:1: package org.junit does not exist |
| 15:56.53 | b0rsuk | I'm trying to compile my file with... |
| 15:57.02 | b0rsuk | b0rsuk@Machaka:~/warsztat/testy$ javac TestSubscription.java -cp ".:/usr/share/java/junit.jar" |
| 15:57.10 | b0rsuk | Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong ? |
| 15:57.35 | mandje | could it be my system disk is busted and is there a way to diagnose this? |
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| 15:58.15 | babilen | b0rsuk: You might want ##java rather than #debian (and paste your source code and the *complete* output to a pastebin) |
| 15:58.46 | ChrisH | mandje: smartctl -H /dev/DISK or atop in mirrored envs |
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| 16:00.57 | UltraMC | nsadmin if you are talking about "insecurance" tell why it is insecure. All said the same as you, probably not knowing about it like you. mdh - dont worry about security, becaouse you can defend yourself: VNC has max 8 char password (mine has) does not require and username so its somehow easier to crack. Just change your default ports and restrict vnc connection with encryption |
| 16:01.12 | mandje | tnx ChrisH. DISK shoud be in the sd* format i suppose. |
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| 16:02.04 | ChrisH | mandje: ACK... eg /dev/sda |
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| 16:03.15 | UltraMC | mdh, also what I was told to investigate was SSL but I dont understand it yet so I dont know how it applyies to VNC. The whole VNC thing is its somehowe unpractical (slow) if you know commands. Its also eats some CPU and RAM. Its also insecure if you not specify what connected user can do via VNC - restrict it or you can end up with no system on drive ;-) And I hope you VNCing not on root |
| 16:04.34 | UltraMC | OMFG Ive just made my first bootable USB with debian installation |
| 16:04.44 | UltraMC | it took me a DAY to make it. |
| 16:04.57 | kwork | how come |
| 16:05.13 | UltraMC | < pro |
| 16:05.17 | babilen | heh |
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| 16:06.15 | UltraMC | btw dd'ing iso image is all I have to do? What about vmlinuz, initrd.gz - does they HAVE to be there? |
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| 16:06.44 | peterrooney | UltraMC: you could always start from scratch again and find out. |
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| 16:07.23 | UltraMC | petemc, I KNEW that will be the answer. It takes time mate, acnt you tell? ;-) |
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| 16:07.26 | peterrooney | feels a slight twinge of guilt for suggesting wasting another day |
| 16:07.49 | UltraMC | peterrooney, now it will take me like 15 minutes. |
| 16:07.59 | UltraMC | And I will make a noobs view guide on that |
| 16:08.13 | b0rsuk | I don't want to *develop* in Java, I'm applying for a test engineer position and I know the company uses Java among other languages. |
| 16:08.21 | peterrooney | UltraMC: make some notes. If you have to do it again six months from now, your memory won't be as sharp as it is now |
| 16:08.59 | mdh | UltraMC, the vnc goes to the default user who has normal privildges, not root |
| 16:09.27 | UltraMC | mdh and gues WHO did a root VNC once ;-) |
| 16:09.31 | UltraMC | < pro |
| 16:09.46 | babilen | !tell UltraMC -about hybrid images |
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| 16:09.50 | UltraMC | mdh your argument is invalid than, tested on myself it can be done |
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| 16:10.09 | UltraMC | babilen, what about x64? |
| 16:10.29 | babilen | UltraMC: And dd is not the best choice. You cat just "cat the-image.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync" or even use cp. (both should use a more appropriate blocksize than vanilla dd) |
| 16:10.57 | babilen | UltraMC: Works for amd64 images as well |
| 16:11.03 | UltraMC | mdh also VNC != VNC. On my dedic its automated (I can do what I can straight away) on my box it asks me "Hey! Do you want to let user to control desktop". It shall be investigated |
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| 16:11.28 | UltraMC | babilen, cp failed, dd not. cat - is there a way of cat'ing it to a partition? |
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| 16:12.35 | UltraMC | aye, gtg |
| 16:12.50 | babilen | UltraMC: You don't cat the image to a partition, but to the stick itself. The procedure is described in "/msg dpkg usb install" |
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| 16:24.36 | dokma|2 | is tar faster with cf or cfz ?? |
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| 16:25.32 | jelly | dokma: it depends. |
| 16:25.43 | dokma | on what |
| 16:26.00 | jelly | on what your bottleneck for tar actually is |
| 16:26.12 | dokma | what is it usually? |
| 16:26.22 | jelly | it depends! :-) |
| 16:26.41 | dokma | do I have to keep asking questions or can you give some actual info? |
| 16:27.00 | jelly | could be bandwidth of source device, bandwidth of destination device, cpu... |
| 16:27.01 | babilen | why not use xz? |
| 16:27.03 | babilen | runs |
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| 16:27.35 | dokma | jelly: do you know what it's usually in a typicall web hosting env |
| 16:27.40 | jelly | dokma: z basically adds gzip into the pipe before writing out the result |
| 16:28.25 | dokma | jelly: I know that, that's why I'm asking because it seems that compression actually reduces the amount of data written which could speed things up as the disk is usually the bottlneck |
| 16:28.34 | jelly | if your disks are fast, skip compression. if you value your disk space, use compression. if you pipe the result over the network someplace and you have metered traffic, use compression |
| 16:28.39 | abrotman | sounds like something to test, let us know how it goes |
| 16:28.40 | babilen | dokma: What are you really doing? Do you copy the tarball around? If so: Copy it from where to where? What kind of files are in the tarball? ... |
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| 16:29.03 | babilen | abrotman++ |
| 16:29.13 | dokma | I'm creating large amount of tarballs on a live server so I wan't to do it as quickly as possible and then transfer them later |
| 16:29.32 | dokma | so no networking is involved just disk, cpu and competing processees |
| 16:29.49 | babilen | dokma: Is size an issue? |
| 16:29.50 | jelly | dokma: create them on separate physical disk than source and skip compression |
| 16:29.59 | dokma | size is not an issue |
| 16:30.01 | dokma | just load |
| 16:30.07 | babilen | Don't compress then |
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| 16:31.20 | jelly | alternatively consider a compression scheme that's either less CPU bound like lzop, or can efficiently use all your CPUs, like pigz |
| 16:31.26 | themill | would have thought disk io was more likely to be an issue than load |
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| 16:32.12 | jelly | test both, identify the bottleneck, _then_ choose |
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| 16:37.32 | aguitel | anyway to install in wheezy the serie 295.XX driver nvidia ? the debian way install 303.xx with low perfomance in my pc |
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| 16:40.10 | reavengrey | Hi, does linux support ExFAT? |
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| 16:40.45 | reavengrey | What I normally do is create a huge FAT32 partition for my files and I store all my files there, and I install OSes on separate paritions |
| 16:41.08 | reavengrey | So I'd have an NTFS paritition with windows on it, and any number of EXT3/4 partitions with linux distros on them |
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| 16:41.30 | reavengrey | and I'd place my actual useful files on the FAT partition so I can access them universally |
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| 16:41.54 | reavengrey | But on this new laptop, I can't use FAT32 for the huge shared partition |
| 16:42.01 | reavengrey | Have to use EXFAT |
| 16:42.15 | reavengrey | So, is debian exFAT support good? |
| 16:43.39 | ksuhku | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exfat#Support_on_other_platforms |
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| 16:44.32 | jelly | reavengrey: ntfs has better support than exfat, I don't think Debian supports it |
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| 16:44.42 | reavengrey | Kk, thanks a lot :) |
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| 16:44.51 | dokma | how do I find out which executable is modifying a file? |
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| 16:45.06 | jhutchins_wk | reavengrey: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAzOTE |
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| 16:45.39 | reavengrey | jhutchins_wk: for some reason, that link doesn't work here :O |
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| 16:46.17 | ksuhku | works for me but phoronix is seldomly worth reading |
| 16:46.19 | jhutchins_wk | Works as pasted here. You can google linux exfat |
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| 16:47.26 | jhutchins_wk | So what requires exfat? |
| 16:47.34 | Pe3k | hello, is it possible to detach usb device using some command and also attach it back while connector is plugged in all the time ? |
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| 16:48.02 | reavengrey | don't feel like typing all that again >.< |
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| 16:48.25 | reavengrey | It's in backlog, I gave a relatively detailed explanation of why I needed it :O |
| 16:49.05 | jelly | reavengrey: if you only have windows and linux, you can use ntfs for the shared partition |
| 16:49.16 | wilee-nilee | reavengrey, linux reads ntfs as well as exfat |
| 16:49.28 | reavengrey | I have, personally, more than once, experienced problems with ntfs-3g write |
| 16:49.33 | ksuhku | or fat16, fat12 or fat32 |
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| 16:50.05 | jelly | reavengrey: yep, but those bugs are regularly fixed, and if you have windows you have a way to fsck the filesystem after such a bug |
| 16:50.06 | wilee-nilee | hmm, neve had a problem here, not sure why you are. |
| 16:50.12 | wilee-nilee | never* |
| 16:50.29 | reavengrey | It's happened 3 times, generally very spaced out |
| 16:50.48 | reavengrey | but this last time, it happened on my external HDD |
| 16:50.48 | jelly | basically you want to use the very latest ntfs-3g version |
| 16:50.52 | reavengrey | I'll look into it cautiously |
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| 16:51.00 | reavengrey | I'm surprised MS hasn't just released the EXFAT spec |
| 16:51.05 | jelly | (which is often not available in debian) |
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| 16:51.12 | reavengrey | I would have just worked on support for it to add it to Linux |
| 16:51.25 | ksuhku | ms being ms |
| 16:51.26 | Trewas | reavengrey: what exfat support there is in linux probably has even more bugs, it is after all a newer filesystem which nobody uses |
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| 16:51.27 | jelly | reavengrey: there are other reasons why exfat support isn't in linux. |
| 16:51.35 | reavengrey | nods, and MS hasn't released the spec |
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| 16:51.51 | jelly | reavengrey: there are commercial drivers if you really need it |
| 16:51.58 | reavengrey | which is surprising, given that they want to make it a new industry de facto like FAT |
| 16:52.06 | reavengrey | As in, linux drivers, commercial? |
| 16:52.09 | reavengrey | I'd use them, frankly |
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| 16:52.25 | pythonsnake | Hi |
| 16:52.29 | jelly | those drivers are written with spec under NDA, see tuxera.com site (incidentally also the authors of ntfs-3g) |
| 16:52.33 | pythonsnake | Is Lenny still 'usable'? |
| 16:52.37 | reavengrey | right |
| 16:53.02 | jhutchins_wk | pythonsnake: Nothing has happened to make it unusuable. |
| 16:53.12 | reavengrey | god, I need to freaking shave ffs |
| 16:53.14 | pythonsnake | maybe repos got deleted? |
| 16:53.14 | ksuhku | pythonsnake, as long as you don't connect it to network |
| 16:53.19 | jhutchins_wk | pythonsnake: There are things that you can't install now, dmm has dropped lenny. |
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| 16:53.37 | reavengrey | I hate that feeling that you get when you lean your chin in your palms and you're feeling your facial hair roughly pressing into your face |
| 16:53.39 | jhutchins_wk | !lenny sources.list |
| 16:53.39 | dpkg | Lenny is no longer on the mirror network but can be found on archive.debian.org; you can use sources.list lines "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ lenny main" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security lenny/updates main". Realise that Lenny has not had security support since February 2012 and that you should upgrade to a newer, supported release. Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. |
| 16:53.41 | pythonsnake | jhutchins_wk: like wut |
| 16:53.44 | pythonsnake | ksuhku: thats what i wanna install it for, lol |
| 16:53.49 | jelly | pythonsnake: do you consider software with known security holes and no support usable? |
| 16:54.04 | jhutchins_wk | ksuhku: Do you know of any actual problems or is this just more speculation? |
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| 16:54.18 | pythonsnake | yes |
| 16:54.21 | pythonsnake | ok |
| 16:54.22 | pythonsnake | thanks |
| 16:54.24 | ksuhku | just the fact it's EOL'd |
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| 16:54.48 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: Were are the errata for the known security holes please? |
| 16:55.04 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: I had to backport bind9 and some other bits to lenny to keep it running. Do you want DSA or CVE tags? |
| 16:55.39 | reavengrey | http://www.howtoforge.com/access-linux-partitions-from-windows |
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| 16:55.50 | reavengrey | Seems like there's an EXT2/3 driver for windows |
| 16:55.58 | reavengrey | Problem most likely solved then |
| 16:56.07 | jelly | reavengrey: nod. Note: not ext4. |
| 16:56.12 | reavengrey | accessible from both NT and Linux |
| 16:56.27 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: Whichever you think best for someone who isn't sure what those mean, thanks. |
| 16:56.29 | reavengrey | Yea, not a biggie, as long as I have one partition which can be access from both environments |
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| 16:57.27 | jhutchins_wk | reavengrey: I'd use ntfs. I've never had any problems with it, even with the old pre-3g drivers writing to volumes actually created by NT. |
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| 16:58.03 | reavengrey | I feel you there, but I swear, I have /personally/ experienced problems with it, or else meh, I'd have done it myself -_- |
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| 16:58.13 | reavengrey | Thanks and all though :) |
| 16:58.58 | tharkun | Good $(date) I've been trying to use fail2ban on a busy server, but adding it degrades performance substantially. Is there a way to configure where fail2ban inserts the iptables rules needed? |
| 16:59.06 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: debian security announcements: http://www.debian.org/security/2012/ Most of the bugs fixed in squeeze after Feb 2012 remain unfixed in lenny. |
| 16:59.10 | jhutchins_wk | reavengrey: What OS created the NTFS filesystems that had problems? |
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| 16:59.19 | reavengrey | Win7 |
| 16:59.23 | reavengrey | On my old laptop |
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| 16:59.31 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: thx again. |
| 16:59.33 | jelly | dpkg, tell jhutchins_wk about cve |
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| 16:59.41 | jelly | dpkg, tell jhutchins_wk about tracker of doom |
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| 17:00.24 | ptrkmj | is chromium not popular with debian users? there is no backport for it and stable version has dated. |
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| 17:04.26 | mdh | Say I installed a package like LXDE. If I want to completely remove it and all the things it brought with it, what command should I run? |
| 17:04.59 | dvs | !remove lxde |
| 17:05.28 | dvs | dpkg: remove lxde |
| 17:05.28 | dpkg | dvs: i haven't a clue |
| 17:05.46 | dvs | I guess you can't! :-P |
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| 17:05.55 | dvs | ,info lxde |
| 17:05.57 | judd | Package lxde (x11, optional) in squeeze/i386: Meta-package for the Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment. Version: 0.5.0-4; Size: 5.4k; Installed: 36k; Homepage: http://lxde.org; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/lxde |
| 17:05.59 | Demar | ПРоверка |
| 17:06.08 | Colin2 | apt-get --purge remove lxde; apt-get --purge autoremove |
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| 17:06.45 | themill | (or just use aptitude) |
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| 17:08.37 | Demar | Проверка кодировки, видно что пишу? |
| 17:08.50 | dvs | !ru |
| 17:08.51 | dpkg | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 17:09.33 | themill | Demar: looks like UTF-8 to me |
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| 17:10.39 | rainfyre | Hey everyone. I am wondering how to correctly set the time on my laptop because it's 6 minutes slower than my Verizon phone. Seems like they should be more or less within a minute of one another |
| 17:10.54 | rainfyre | reconfigure tzdata ? |
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| 17:11.25 | themill | dpkg: tell rainfyre about ntp |
| 17:11.26 | mdh | I ran aptitude purge lxde, and then aptitude autoclean, and then aptitude clean and packages that came with lxde are still here |
| 17:11.36 | rainfyre | themill: thank you |
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| 17:12.05 | wilee-nilee | mdh, you have to remove it witha list of the pkgs installed in general. |
| 17:12.31 | rainfyre | themill: yup, didn't have that installed |
| 17:13.03 | rainfyre | themill: and it's fixed. thank you |
| 17:13.08 | themill | \o/ |
| 17:13.19 | ksuhku | !next |
| 17:13.22 | rainfyre | Debian ftw |
| 17:13.25 | rainfyre | heh |
| 17:13.58 | sedoll | i am new to git. and currently our team is using git as scm. is there any recommended workflow? |
| 17:13.58 | mdh | So there is no easy way to remove all the parts of a metapackage? |
| 17:14.12 | sedoll | i search on the internet where comes out with http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/ |
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| 17:14.37 | sedoll | but i would like to know if any debian package's workflow? |
| 17:15.28 | wilee-nilee | mdh, I save the pkgs installed in case I want to remove it, if you did the install from a cli it tells you what it is installing, there are probably better ways though. |
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| 17:15.49 | johndo | which is the default ruby version in wheezy, 1.8 or 1.9.1? |
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| 17:16.45 | themill | sedoll: there are lots of different packaging workflows for debian with git and they don't necessarily suit what you're trying to do |
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| 17:18.02 | sedoll | themill: or any model would be recommended? |
| 17:18.28 | themill | sedoll: #git are a good bunch to talk to |
| 17:18.35 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions ruby |
| 17:18.37 | judd | Package: ruby on i386 -- lenny: 4.2; squeeze: 4.5; sid: 4.9; wheezy: 4.9 |
| 17:18.41 | sedoll | most of our team members love to commit code directly to master, which breaks the repos too often. |
| 17:18.52 | sedoll | themill: ok. thanks. |
| 17:19.07 | themill | sedoll: branching and merging is so cheap and easy in git that it's just not worth doing that |
| 17:19.25 | wilee-nilee | mdh, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1136540/ |
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| 17:19.43 | themill | sedoll: unless you have a really small project or the sorts of changes you are doing are always changing files all over the place so you'd have lots of conflicts, just use feature branches all the time |
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| 17:19.49 | mdh | wilee-nilee, thanks! |
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| 17:20.02 | johndo | jhutchins_wk: i guess that's the package version, not the ruby version |
| 17:20.05 | Harzilein | johndo: i think 1.9.1 will most likely become default, the only discussion was wether to drop 1.8 |
| 17:20.05 | wilee-nilee | mdh, that might help but be careful. |
| 17:20.22 | Harzilein | johndo: maybe ask on oftc #debian-ruby |
| 17:20.26 | digitalirony | I am going to ask in here, cause the guys in #ubuntu seem to be useless, and I am not exactly sure its an ubuntu issue.(I use debian for servers, but work wants me to deploy ubuntu, so I am) |
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| 17:20.30 | digitalirony | Anyone have any ideas? Logging into gnome from lightdm/gdm just hangs. Logging into awesome is nearly instant. This started today after doing apt-get upgrade to update system. I am not sure what is the cause, I just see the load spike very high, and it sits there. Does not appear to be CPU load. I do see some IO, but I can't seem to find what is the cause of the IO |
| 17:20.49 | johndo | Harzilein: ok, so i can choose that wherever i have package dependencies on both ruby versions |
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| 17:21.10 | johndo | though apt-listbugs dies with 1.9.1 |
| 17:21.12 | sedoll | themill: i usually do branch. but it's a bit not easy to convince other team members to do the same. |
| 17:21.36 | MikeMike_ | hi, I wanted to install kolab on my wheezy installation, but apparently there are only packages for stable and unstable. What should I do? |
| 17:21.44 | themill | sedoll: not branching isn't so bad if they're also not pushing until it's working |
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| 17:23.01 | otkrick | Hello, world !!! |
| 17:23.10 | sedoll | that's the problem. because our flows works something like contineous integration. so it would push to production if features added. but repos usually in a broken state, which somehow is a bit annoying. |
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| 17:23.33 | sedoll | or the release is frequently delay. |
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| 17:26.17 | otkrick | guys, ssh user@host 'command' answers password, what's the easiest to solve the problem? I'm using it in bash-script |
| 17:27.37 | simonlnu | !ssh key |
| 17:27.45 | simonlnu | bah |
| 17:28.55 | otkrick | you mean, that I should use certificate authetication? |
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| 17:29.22 | simonlnu | ssh key auth. nothing to do with SSL certs |
| 17:29.59 | simonlnu | !sshkeys |
| 17:30.09 | johndo | is ruby essential for any package management tasks, i.e. if ruby breaks does installing and upgrading packages still work? |
| 17:30.16 | simonlnu | excuse me while i try to remember the factoid.. |
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| 17:30.48 | themill | !ssh-keygen |
| 17:30.48 | dpkg | Create a RSA key (for SSH protocol 2 connections) with ssh-keygen ; then copy it to a remote host with ssh-copy-id user@remotehost ; also look at ssh-agent/ssh-add |
| 17:30.58 | themill | (close enough?) |
| 17:31.16 | simonlnu | also found 'ssh without password' |
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| 17:32.05 | simonlnu | !ssh without password |
| 17:32.06 | dpkg | (1) on the client: ssh-keygen -t rsa (2) ssh-copy-id server.example.com. Ask me about <keychain> and <ssh-askpass> for ways of storing your ssh key's passphrase between uses. If you are wanting to use ssh to allow root logins for rsync backups (or something similar to that) then you might want to limit what this key can do and from where you can use it, see http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/rootrsync for one approach. |
| 17:32.13 | otkrick | no-no.. my script connected to host2 and execute ssh-copy-id for 'ssh without password'. But in script.. it's the first query to host2 |
| 17:32.48 | simonlnu | we don't know what your scripts does. |
| 17:32.52 | simonlnu | script* |
| 17:33.00 | otkrick | I have to manually add rsa keys to every server first time.. what if i have more then 100 servers? |
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| 17:33.18 | simonlnu | for loop? |
| 17:33.20 | damacus | otkrick: use -o args to bypass |
| 17:33.31 | damacus | either keep the host key in scm or bypass |
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| 17:33.54 | otkrick | a-ah.. -o |
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| 17:34.10 | simonlnu | for host in whatever hostname youhave; do ssh .... ; done |
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| 17:34.26 | damacus | otkrick: ssh -o "UserKnownHostsFile=/path/to/file" -i "key" user@host |
| 17:34.33 | aguitel | how disable desktop effects in debian kde ? |
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| 17:34.42 | damacus | or -o "StrictHostKeyChecking=no" |
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| 17:35.21 | simonlnu | aguitel: open systemsettings, you'll see it on the left near the top... |
| 17:35.55 | aguitel | simonlnu, sorry i am looking to do with command line |
| 17:35.56 | simonlnu | what's with the quits? |
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| 17:36.22 | simonlnu | (must be the netsplits from earlier) |
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| 17:37.06 | simonlnu | aguitel: no idea sorry. google it ;). probably through dbus or something. |
| 17:37.08 | themill | aguitel: Alt+Shift+F12 (iirc) or there's also a dbus call for it but I can't recall what it is off the top of my head |
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| 17:37.35 | simonlnu | yeh alt-sh |
| 17:37.36 | aguitel | ok |
| 17:37.37 | otkrick | damacus: thx, but i don't understand how it will help. How can I connect to server first time with known password? ssh -o "StrictHostKeyChecking=no" user@host * how to send password? |
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| 17:37.43 | themill | ahah... "qdbus org.kde.kwin /KWin org.kde.KWin.toggleCompositing" bash-eternal-history ftw |
| 17:37.55 | aguitel | themill, thanks |
| 17:37.58 | simonlnu | oh yeh |
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| 17:38.00 | joar | how do I get the realtek ethernet drivers to work in wheezy? |
| 17:38.07 | joar | can I test them to see if they work in any way? |
| 17:38.25 | damacus | otkrick: the first time you build the system you need to put in a key file |
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| 17:38.39 | joar | it seems the network connectivity works, but network manager doesn't display that I'm connected. |
| 17:38.52 | damacus | the hostkeychecking hostkeyfile stuff just makes a conencting ssytem not need to have the hosts identity stored |
| 17:39.04 | joar | Network Manager says Wired - Unmanaged |
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| 17:39.23 | simonlnu | means you have it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:39.25 | damacus | connect to the server the first time manually, or when you install teh server have the key installation as part of your process. |
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| 17:39.33 | simonlnu | joar: ^^ |
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| 17:39.44 | joar | simonlnu: what can I do to solve it? |
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| 17:40.04 | simonlnu | ignore nm or have nm manage it. |
| 17:40.06 | joar | it seems that empathy can't login if Network Manager doesn't manage the card |
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| 17:40.31 | simonlnu | that's superficial. you can always remove nm ;). |
| 17:40.37 | joar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.37 | joar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:41.04 | tgs3 | joar: rtl cards just work for me so far |
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| 17:42.27 | joar | ok |
| 17:42.30 | joar | I think I did |
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| 17:43.06 | johndo | sigh, this squeeze to wheezy transition is not really smooth so far, apt-get refuses to continue because of held packages where no packages are on hold and aptitude dies with a bus error ;) |
| 17:43.07 | joar | > it. I removed the eth0 lines from /etc/network/interfaces and restarted networking & network-manager services. |
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| 17:43.35 | joar | and empathy actually logs in to my accounts. |
| 17:43.44 | simonlnu | that's pretty much what i said ;). |
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| 17:43.53 | joar | thank you simonlnu :) |
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| 17:44.26 | simonlnu | joar: s'ok. apparently you just needed a pointer in the right direction. you did the work. |
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| 17:45.12 | joar | yes, that's usually why I come here :) |
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| 17:45.20 | simonlnu | themill: still present? sixx is having netowrk issues |
| 17:45.27 | simonlnu | wor* |
| 17:45.46 | Ekushey | Debian 7 to be shipped with XFCE as the default DE? |
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| 17:46.09 | simonlnu | Ekushey: link? |
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| 17:46.16 | nkuttler | Ekushey: no |
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| 17:48.02 | somiaj | Ekushey: I would think live.debian.net will provide a XFCE live image you can install XFCE as the default. But I think gnome will still be considered default for the standard wheezy installer. |
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| 17:48.21 | Ekushey | simonlnu: http://io9.in/i9 |
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| 17:48.47 | Ekushey | somiaj: ah, i see |
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| 17:49.08 | simonlnu | http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=tasksel/tasksel.git;a=commit;h=2a962cc65cdba010177f27e8824ba10d9a799a08 |
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| 17:49.54 | Ekushey | yes that's the link |
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| 17:50.09 | simonlnu | well that's an interesting choice |
| 17:50.15 | nkuttler | indeed.. |
| 17:50.24 | simonlnu | that should be a lot more fun ;) |
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| 17:50.38 | nkuttler | changing the default configuration for a single cd sounds bizarre |
| 17:51.15 | simonlnu | that's tasksel. you know what cd 1 is, right? |
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| 17:51.21 | damacus | i figure these days most people just netinst |
| 17:51.33 | nkuttler | i read the commit msg |
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| 17:51.49 | simonlnu | cd 1 is a decent rescue system |
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| 17:52.45 | simonlnu | not as full featured as say grml or similar, but useful nonetheless |
| 17:53.06 | Ekushey | so XFCE will be the default one? or is it still in a discussion phase? |
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| 17:53.49 | superlinux-hp | hi. my xession-errors gets flooded with is this message when I run skype: " snd_pcm_avail_update() returned a value that is exceptionally large" . and I cannot communicate using voice chat. what should I do? |
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| 17:56.30 | simonlnu | Ekushey: for that you would need to check the debian-devel list for any public discussions (and possibly other mailing lists) |
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| 17:58.12 | simonlnu | !irc faq |
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| 17:58.47 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 17:59.13 | simonlnu | !irc |
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| 17:59.13 | dpkg | IRC is Internet Relay Chat, the means to provide #debian to its patrons. Official Debian IRC channels: http://wiki.debian.org/IRC . Please read http://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc . Ask me about <irc tutorial> and <faq>. See also <debstats> and <irclog>. |
| 17:59.20 | Actress22 | hi |
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| 17:59.37 | simonlnu | mdh: ^^^ |
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| 17:59.42 | SpaceAviator | I just installed debian on my desktop and for some reason lm-sensors wont detect all sensors. I tried sensors-detect without any luck |
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| 17:59.45 | SpaceAviator | any suggestions? |
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| 18:01.02 | Actress22 | who works on here for bskyb? |
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| 18:02.23 | cemilmeral29 | debian no |
| 18:02.35 | cemilmeral29 | debian no |
| 18:02.37 | cemilmeral29 | debian no |
| 18:02.37 | Actress22 | huh |
| 18:02.38 | cemilmeral29 | debian no |
| 18:02.54 | jelly-home | !ops cemilmeral29 |
| 18:02.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: cemilmeral29 |
| 18:03.01 | peterS | KP/l4 |
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| 18:03.03 | peterS | errr |
| 18:03.25 | Actress22 | i cant join bbc channel |
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| 18:03.33 | Actress22 | i tried? |
| 18:03.42 | jelly-home | I assume that means "I'll change my passwords soon", peterS |
| 18:03.44 | simonlnu | Actress22: ask #freenode |
| 18:04.03 | peterS | jelly-home: yeah because I usually use 5-character passwords |
| 18:04.16 | cemilmeral29 | fle |
| 18:04.18 | simonlnu | this is #debian. a support channel for a linux distro. |
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| 18:04.51 | superlinux-hp | hi. my xession-errors gets flooded with is this message when I run skype: " snd_pcm_avail_update() returned a value that is exceptionally large" . and I cannot communicate using voice chat. what should I do? |
| 18:04.55 | simonlnu | i'd be surprised - very - if peterS used 5 char passwords |
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| 18:05.38 | nkuttler | superlinux-hp: did you google your error? you should talk to skype support anyway |
| 18:06.12 | superlinux-hp | nkuttler, i really did. mostly it's a bug |
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| 18:06.37 | superlinux-hp | most of them are bugs, an no solution |
| 18:06.46 | superlinux-hp | it was working normally |
| 18:06.47 | jelly-home | simonlnu: I'd be more surprised if showing just a part of a password were not deemed a reason to change the whole thing |
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| 18:07.51 | simonlnu | i would, certainly |
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| 18:07.57 | simonlnu | change it i mean |
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| 18:08.17 | jesk | hiho |
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| 18:10.41 | abrotman | seriously ... |
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| 18:10.50 | n-iCe | abrotman! |
| 18:11.04 | abrotman | ? |
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| 18:12.08 | simonlnu | abrotman: quick! change your nick! |
| 18:12.31 | peterS | abrot! abrot! |
| 18:12.35 | jelly-home | superlinux-hp: which debian release, which debian architecture, and which version of skype are you using? |
| 18:12.43 | simonlnu | groans loudly |
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| 18:12.51 | jelly-home | awhat? |
| 18:13.51 | superlinux-hp | i am on squeeze with backports. 64bit. skype 4.0.8-1 |
| 18:14.09 | superlinux-hp | jelly-home, |
| 18:14.18 | simonlnu | superlinux-hp: just an fyi, some people have stuck with the previous 2.x version |
| 18:14.40 | superlinux-hp | yes i used to use it |
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| 18:15.42 | jelly-home | superlinux-hp: I don't know about 64bit or that latest skype, but the version of pulseaudio in squeeze is really buggy. Kill all other audio using apps, get rid of pulseaudio, restart skype and see how the echo service works for you then |
| 18:16.00 | superlinux-hp | jelly, i removed pulse |
| 18:16.12 | superlinux-hp | i am using alsa directly |
| 18:16.18 | jelly-home | superlinux-hp: /msg dpkg list alsa users |
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| 18:16.32 | JordiGH | How can I make gnome use s2disk to hibernate instead of whatever it does? |
| 18:16.34 | superlinux-hp | ok |
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| 18:18.01 | superlinux-hp | jelly-home, i think I had to manually update to current alsa version to support my intel-hda card |
| 18:19.11 | somiaj | JordiGH: what is s2disk? I use pm-utils, it can suspend, hibernate and do both as a hybrid option. |
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| 18:20.00 | JordiGH | somiaj: It's the hibernation that works on my computer. Whatever gnome does when I hit the "hibernate" button takes ages. It looks like every program swaps for a really long time when thawing, and I get a bunch of gobbledygoook in dmesg. |
| 18:20.30 | simonlnu | suspend to disk. in uswsusp |
| 18:20.44 | somiaj | JordiGH: yea that is hibernate, I think you want suspend if you want to be quick and only suspend it to ram. |
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| 18:21.09 | JordiGH | somiaj: No, I want s2disk, not whatever Gnome is doing. s2disk is fast and to disk. Gnome does something crappy and slo. |
| 18:21.10 | JordiGH | slow. |
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| 18:21.47 | JordiGH | Whatever hibernate method Gnome is doing also seems to make some kernel modules unhappy. |
| 18:21.48 | superlinux-hp | jelly, i did use the command you provided. the pid given I just cannot kill it |
| 18:21.55 | superlinux-hp | jelly-home, i did use the command you provided. the pid given I just cannot kill it |
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| 18:22.36 | jelly-home | not even as root with -KILL, superlinux-hp? |
| 18:23.23 | superlinux-hp | i used this: killall -9 mixer_applet2 |
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| 18:23.42 | superlinux-hp | cos that's mixer_applet2 is the one listed |
| 18:23.54 | superlinux-hp | and i killed it using its name |
| 18:24.08 | superlinux-hp | and it got killed when I am as root |
| 18:24.12 | jelly-home | superlinux-hp: does it not die, or does the old one die and a new one reappear? |
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| 18:24.41 | superlinux-hp | it dies and asks me whether i want to reload |
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| 18:24.51 | jelly-home | a mixer will probably not be a problem, but you could remove it from your panel, or not reload it? |
| 18:25.39 | superlinux-hp | i tried removing it and it gets removed and i have no IP |
| 18:25.51 | superlinux-hp | i tried removing it and it gets removed and i have no ID |
| 18:25.57 | superlinux-hp | PID i mean |
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| 18:26.10 | superlinux-hp | so now i am going to re-add it |
| 18:26.26 | jelly-home | why? |
| 18:26.40 | superlinux-hp | you know! i need to have my mixer |
| 18:26.45 | jelly-home | no you don't |
| 18:26.51 | superlinux-hp | what? |
| 18:26.57 | jelly-home | your goal is to fix skype first |
| 18:27.03 | superlinux-hp | ok |
| 18:27.06 | superlinux-hp | let me see |
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| 18:27.40 | superlinux-hp | it's the only thing given by fuser command |
| 18:28.02 | jelly-home | and it's a freshly started skype process? |
| 18:28.03 | superlinux-hp | that's why i put it back |
| 18:28.30 | superlinux-hp | i'll remove mixer now and run skype |
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| 18:28.45 | jelly-home | well, if you don't want to be systematic in figuring out possible causes, I'm not sure I can assist |
| 18:29.10 | superlinux-hp | jelly-home, sorry. I apologize |
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| 18:31.34 | superlinux-hp | jelly, i tried to call skype test user. and the problem is still there |
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| 18:32.17 | jelly-home | and now you know it probably isn't the mixer's fault |
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| 18:35.20 | jelly-home | can you get the recording to work in any other app? |
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| 18:39.05 | jhutchins_wk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:45.17 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: you could note that. In ##English where people might not just get more confused with it and appreciate the pedantry |
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| 18:45.56 | edan | hello i want to install hiphop php on debian squeeze but i have an error on compilation |
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| 18:46.17 | edan | concurrent_priority_queue.h doesn't exists but tbb is correctly installed |
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| 18:46.25 | edan | ? |
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| 18:47.01 | syssi | edan: do you use testing? |
| 18:47.43 | jelly-home | edan: could you paste the whole build output, or the whole error message from the point of the first error? |
| 18:47.54 | jelly-home | ,file concurrent_priority_queue.h |
| 18:47.55 | edan | okey i paste this |
| 18:47.58 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 18:48.13 | jelly-home | edan: there seems to be no such file in Debian 6 |
| 18:48.16 | syssi | libtbb-dev is available sine testing. |
| 18:48.32 | syssi | and the file is located in /usr/include/tbb/concurrent_priority_queue.h |
| 18:48.41 | syssi | maybe an -I/usr/include/tbb is missing. |
| 18:48.53 | edan | http://pastebin.com/hSPTgTzA |
| 18:48.54 | jelly-home | maybe it uses pkg-config? |
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| 18:49.14 | edan | file /usr/include/tbb/concurrent_priority_queue.h doesn't exist :( |
| 18:49.38 | syssi | edan: than you tbb installation is broken or the -dev package is missing. |
| 18:49.40 | jelly-home | edan: which debian release and arch are you building this on? |
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| 18:50.03 | johndo | syssi: there seem to be a libtbb-dev already in squeeze |
| 18:50.10 | jelly-home | !suite |
| 18:50.10 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
| 18:51.07 | syssi | okay, edan uses stable and his libtbb version is just too old (v3 instead of needed v4) |
| 18:51.28 | syssi | guess, guessing around ;-) |
| 18:52.01 | nsadmin | what's it too old for? |
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| 18:52.08 | edan | arf |
| 18:52.18 | jelly-home | pets edan |
| 18:52.51 | edan | debian version 6.0.2 |
| 18:53.01 | edan | my sources.lst |
| 18:53.02 | edan | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 18:53.16 | n-iCe | System: Host debian Kernel 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop Gnome 2.30.2 Distro Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 |
| 18:53.25 | nsadmin | it's still 6, and you can bring your 6 up to 6.0.5 |
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| 18:53.32 | n-iCe | Siento que ese GNOME3 fue hecho para pantallas táctiles |
| 18:53.33 | abrotman | .... |
| 18:53.41 | abrotman | n-iCe: english |
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| 18:53.45 | n-iCe | yeah, wrong chan. |
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| 18:54.25 | akls | What is the easiest way to share wireless connection? I have this setup: wireless internet <-> my debian machine <-> router <-> machine without internet(ubuntu) |
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| 18:55.10 | nsadmin | akls, "my debian machine" would have to perform a routing function |
| 18:55.14 | jelly-home | edan: apparently the version of tbb in squeeze is too old |
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| 18:56.49 | nsadmin | akls, does the ubuntu box have wireless? or must it be wired? |
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| 18:57.02 | akls | nsadmin, I understand, but how? I was following this guide and it worked for a while, but then it stopped working and I can't get it back: http://chrisjrob.com/2011/03/14/sharing-a-wireless-connection-via-ethernet-port/ |
| 18:57.11 | akls | nsadmin, no, it must be wired |
| 18:57.51 | nsadmin | ok, then connectionwise it need not change. |
| 18:58.02 | nsadmin | can it ping the router? |
| 18:58.20 | nsadmin | oh, and what's the purpose of the router? |
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| 18:59.39 | akls | nsadmin, yes, I can ping the router and I can even ping the debian machine |
| 18:59.57 | Cesur | help me |
| 19:00.00 | akls | nsadmin, well, I have another computer, maybe I'll want to connect it too |
| 19:00.23 | nsadmin | got a switch? |
| 19:00.28 | akls | nope |
| 19:00.56 | nsadmin | hub? |
| 19:01.16 | akls | just a router |
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| 19:01.21 | jhutchins_wk | akls: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ (also http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/ ) |
| 19:02.38 | nsadmin | Cesur, with? |
| 19:03.04 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 19:03.05 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 19:03.29 | mum0l | hello, I am trying to get windows certificates from AD, cuz Iam trying to implement ssl auth for nslcd.. I think that I sucessfull create the rootca and cert, cuz I can connect from windows by ldp app, but in linux I got error.. |
| 19:03.33 | mum0l | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.36 | mum0l | CONNECTED(00000003) |
| 19:03.38 | mum0l | write:errno=104 |
| 19:04.27 | mum0l | I think that is sth wrong with certs on windows machine.. could anyone try to send a link with how to create cert to made ldaps on windows propertly? |
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| 19:04.36 | Cesur | nsadmin I want to channel chanserv channel turkey, but what can I do? |
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| 19:06.03 | nsadmin | Cesur, the people who control and can help you with that are on #freenode |
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| 19:09.25 | Ramapitecus | hi, I am trying to install debian on my laptop, form hd-media. |
| 19:09.53 | Ramapitecus | but, after it detect the iso. it says that the kernel modules can't be run |
| 19:10.23 | Ramapitecus | because the installe kernel image, its mot the same one as the one in the archive |
| 19:11.11 | nvz | sounds to me like there is a mismatch between the media you booted from and the one on the hd you're trying to install from |
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| 19:14.46 | babilen | !tell Ramapitecus -about usb install |
| 19:15.19 | babilen | Ramapitecus: (Assuming you actually want that - if not please provide more details such as the exact files you downloaded and what you did with them + exact error message) |
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| 19:16.20 | Ramapitecus | well, in the iso, i have dvd 1 of version 6.0.5 |
| 19:16.20 | johndo | is there any replacement for the tksmb package in wheezy? |
| 19:16.23 | johndo | Description: SMB (Samba and Windows) network browser |
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| 19:17.09 | Ramapitecus | nvz: I tried putting the image in the iso, and re-made it. no change |
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| 19:17.23 | nvz | heh |
| 19:17.28 | babilen | Ramapitecus: What do you mean by "putting the image in the iso" ? |
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| 19:17.48 | nvz | means he doesn't have a clue :-P |
| 19:17.55 | Ramapitecus | nvz: and the hd-media, downloaded form debians pages |
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| 19:18.10 | babilen | Ramapitecus: What are you trying to do? What kind of media do you want to use for the installation? (e.g. USB stick, CD, network boot via PXE, squirrels, ...) |
| 19:18.22 | nvz | shrugs I'm not familiar with that install method |
| 19:18.28 | babilen | squirrels? |
| 19:18.43 | nvz | na, I get the squirrels.. its the hdmedia I've never used |
| 19:18.45 | Ramapitecus | babilen: i'm trying to intall form my hd |
| 19:19.08 | Ramapitecus | babilen: directly form the iso image |
| 19:19.20 | babilen | Ramapitecus: Which operating system are you currently using? I have to confess that I haven't used that installation method as well. |
| 19:19.28 | jhutchins_wk | Ramapitecus: What section of the Install Guide are you following? |
| 19:19.35 | nvz | Ramapitecus: are you aware you keep typing "form" rather than "from"? |
| 19:19.36 | Ramapitecus | babilen: ubuntu 10 |
| 19:20.03 | babilen | ack -- jhutchins_wk just asked my next question :) |
| 19:20.11 | Ramapitecus | nvz: no, I wasn't sorry about that |
| 19:20.33 | nvz | Ramapitecus: its ok, I just considered it a typo then you did it many more times.. |
| 19:21.09 | jhutchins_wk | !tell Ramapitecus about ig |
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| 19:21.47 | Ramapitecus | nvz: well, it many typos. :-p |
| 19:22.50 | Ramapitecus | nvz: i'm on my cell phone, it's new, and I suck writing on it |
| 19:23.19 | nvz | Ramapitecus: ah, that splains it.. I was just wondering if you were likely having the same issues at the computer |
| 19:23.44 | Ramapitecus | no |
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| 19:24.38 | Ramapitecus | nvz: I'm on the phone, because i'm constantly rebooting, with this install mess |
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| 19:25.23 | nvz | Ramapitecus: is it not feasible for you to just install with a netinstall or put cd1 or dvd1 onto a thumbdrive with unetbootin or something? |
| 19:25.40 | nvz | or burn the ISO to a disc |
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| 19:26.00 | Ramapitecus | nvz: it's an old laptop, no usb booting |
| 19:26.11 | johndo | has there anything changed in the behaviour of aptitude regarding automatically installed packages in wheezy? |
| 19:26.19 | nvz | Ramapitecus: it'd have to be REALLY old to not support usb booting. heh |
| 19:26.21 | johndo | i started it to purge a package |
| 19:26.21 | Ramapitecus | nvz: dvd drive died a long time ago |
| 19:26.42 | johndo | it showed me a list of additionally packages to remove (probably unused) |
| 19:27.03 | nvz | Ramapitecus: problem is, we're not terribly familiar with the hd-media installs and you don't have anything specific for us to go on |
| 19:27.24 | johndo | i killed it to start it in my logged window with the same package to purge and it doesn't show me the other packaged to remove anymore |
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| 19:27.43 | jelly-home | hu |
| 19:27.47 | jelly-home | <ashp> "In a commit made for Debian's forthcoming 7.0 Wheezy release, Xfce is now the default desktop choice..." |
| 19:27.51 | Ramapitecus | nvz: I don't know what else I can give you |
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| 19:29.05 | nvz | Ramapitecus: yeah well I feel the same way, I'd tell you same thing jhutchins_wk said, read the install guide, avoid hd-media install at all costs.. I'd pxe boot netinst if I had to |
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| 19:30.56 | Ramapitecus | nvz: well, i'll ask someone around here, to burn the iso for me |
| 19:31.13 | Ramapitecus | nvz: thanks for everything. |
| 19:31.38 | nvz | Ramapitecus: good luck. |
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| 19:32.26 | Ramapitecus | nvz: I installed slackware, from my hd, no problem |
| 19:32.39 | Ramapitecus | nvz: but on my desktop |
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| 19:33.52 | bartwe | .... |
| 19:33.54 | bartwe | hi |
| 19:34.20 | bartwe | i bought a new laptop after not getting the previous one to work correctly with linux due to drivers |
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| 19:34.37 | bartwe | apparently it uses uefi and can't boot my fresh debian install ? |
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| 19:34.54 | bartwe | i might return this laptop |
| 19:35.04 | bartwe | is there a solid list of hardware that is actually supported ? |
| 19:35.12 | jhutchins_wk | bartwe: grub and grub legacy (and lilo) can handle uefi just fine. |
| 19:35.39 | bartwe | and yet the bios keeps booting into windows through EFI |
| 19:35.42 | jhutchins_wk | bartwe: Not really, there are sporadic reports from people who have had various degrees of success. There are a couple of sites that collect these. |
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| 19:36.03 | zifnab | bartwe: there's a grub-uefi package |
| 19:36.11 | zifnab | iirc |
| 19:36.33 | bartwe | how do i get the installer to use that ? |
| 19:36.44 | zifnab | haha |
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| 19:36.54 | zifnab | i think at this point, its one of those things you have to do manually |
| 19:37.06 | zifnab | it looks like you need a kernel thats 3.0-rc1 or newer also |
| 19:37.15 | bartwe | but how, it doesn't boot into a state i can run aptitude |
| 19:37.24 | nsadmin | bartwe, can you boot the original install media you used to install, and try the rescue mode? |
| 19:37.40 | zifnab | or, use a livecd and chroot |
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| 19:38.12 | bartwe | this sounds like somethign that goes beyond my pain threshold |
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| 19:38.15 | nsadmin | well if you can rescue, then you'd be closer |
| 19:39.09 | zifnab | bartwe: i'm bored, give me a few ill see what i can find |
| 19:39.10 | jhutchins_wk | bartwe: The most common problem is failure to write grub to the default MBR. |
| 19:39.29 | bartwe | jhutchins: uefi doesn't use the mbr |
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| 19:40.03 | jhutchins_wk | That would explain why a default install would fail. |
| 19:40.12 | jhutchins_wk | bartwe: to teh googles! |
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| 19:40.32 | zifnab | http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article51/ |
| 19:40.35 | jhutchins_wk | bartwe: It's dooable though, I had legacy grub booting on apple uefi several years ago. |
| 19:40.37 | lapsusbrutus | what would be a great way of copying a dvd? cant find handbrake in repos, and since its 10g dd'ing it wouldnt make much sense, since I will not be able to copy it to a new dvd |
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| 19:41.00 | zifnab | jhutchins_wk: apple uefi switches to bios mode for alternate OS's |
| 19:41.19 | jhutchins_wk | lapsusbrutus: I have had success ripping an iso image with dd and then burning that with k3b. |
| 19:41.35 | zifnab | lapsusbrutus: there's a good chance you can get handbrake from ubuntu's ppa |
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| 19:41.42 | zifnab | https://launchpad.net/~stebbins/+archive/handbrake-releases |
| 19:41.46 | zifnab | (i make no promises) |
| 19:41.59 | lapsusbrutus | is it in the multimedia repos maybe? |
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| 19:42.52 | akls | nsadmin, about my internet sharing problem.. On my ubuntu machine I specified the gateway to the ip of my debian machine and now everything works. Any way I can do it automatically? It can be done with dhcp, right? Or should I add some rule to the static routing on my router? |
| 19:43.06 | bartwe | jhutchins: there is no bios compat mode for primary hd booting on this asus POS |
| 19:43.30 | johndo | do i need a realtime kernel in wheezy to use the nvidia binary modules? |
| 19:43.44 | lapsusbrutus | thanks zifnab jhutchins_wk :) |
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| 19:44.19 | webad_13 | I have vnc setup on resolution of 1280x720 - client is on the tablet and server has debian on it. I would liket to make everything bigger in order to make it usable - which sort of X settings could I try, would changing dpi from 96 to 120 do the trick? |
| 19:44.28 | Colin2 | akls: you can install a dhcp server on the debian machine instead of using the router's dhcp server |
| 19:44.30 | zifnab | lapsusbrutus: http://www.xaero.org/index.php/archive/installing-handbrake-on-debian-gnulinux/ |
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| 19:44.41 | zifnab | lapsusbrutus: that repository isn't ran by debian, so the software might not be good |
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| 19:45.41 | lapsusbrutus | thanks zifnab, taking a look at this :) |
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| 19:49.33 | jhutchins_wk | akls: You can specify the gatway in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:49.57 | lapsusbrutus | zifnab: you know how to fix the pubkey warning? |
| 19:50.11 | jhutchins_wk | akls: man interfaces if you're not sure how. |
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| 19:50.56 | jhutchins_wk | akls: dhcp would not make sense on a single machine. |
| 19:51.02 | akls | jhutchins_wk, that's what I did.. the question was how not to use that |
| 19:51.18 | jhutchins_wk | akls: That's the right way to do it. |
| 19:51.22 | nsadmin | no, the question was how to do it automatically |
| 19:51.30 | akls | ^ yes |
| 19:51.44 | asarch | Is there any way to restore configuration files from a package to their original state when they were installed for the very first time in the system? |
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| 19:52.06 | zifnab | lapsusbrutus: apt-get install deb-multimedia-keyring |
| 19:52.07 | nsadmin | do you want this setup to be permanent? |
| 19:52.08 | asarch | I screw Apache configuration files trying to enable CGI scripts |
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| 19:52.26 | zifnab | lapsusbrutus: that should install their key from their repository |
| 19:52.26 | polyurethane | is there a touchpad indicator for debian? |
| 19:52.57 | ksuhku | polyurethane, you mean pad on/off? |
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| 19:53.14 | lapsusbrutus | hmm guys, going to encode to VP8, or webm or whatever its called, whats that package called? :) ohh, Im really noob at this :\ |
| 19:53.36 | asarch | And, how do you *effectively* enable CGI scripts in Debian? |
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| 19:53.53 | asarch | I've found hundreds of dysfunctional howtos |
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| 19:54.26 | lapsusbrutus | I kinda boycott H.264. no plans to encode anything to that at least :) |
| 19:55.00 | streuner_ | H.264 is standard in OSX |
| 19:55.20 | ksuhku | so are patents |
| 19:55.34 | streuner_ | handbrake is in Debian |
| 19:56.01 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions handbrake |
| 19:56.02 | judd | No package named 'handbrake' was found in i386. |
| 19:56.29 | lapsusbrutus | no way to encode to vp8 in handbrake? |
| 19:56.32 | streuner_ | judd, versions handbrake-gtk |
| 19:56.33 | judd | Package: handbrake-gtk on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 0.9.3-0.1; squeeze-multimedia: 0.9.5-0.1; wheezy-multimedia: 0.9.6-0.1; sid-multimedia: 0.9.6-dmo1 |
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| 19:56.42 | streuner_ | oh, in dmm |
| 19:56.51 | polyurethane | yes ksuhku |
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| 19:58.24 | ksuhku | polyurethane, at least you can synclient -l|grep TouchpadOff |
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| 20:00.36 | polyurethane | it says touchpad off = 0 but the touchpad still works ksuhku |
| 20:01.00 | ksuhku | polyurethane, that's right then, eh? |
| 20:01.08 | polyurethane | but.. I want it off :p |
| 20:01.25 | ksuhku | polyurethane, synclient TouchpadOff=1 |
| 20:01.50 | polyurethane | thanks mate |
| 20:01.57 | ksuhku | polyurethane, yw |
| 20:02.18 | ksuhku | polyurethane, you can make the pad do wonderful things, see the manual page of synaptics |
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| 20:03.50 | PhoenixSTF | What is the best practice for a PXE installer? use NFS, or apt-mirror? |
| 20:04.57 | nvz | I always just use the internet mirror when I PXE install personally |
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| 20:05.44 | johndo | is the realtime kernel good for anything on a normal desktop system? |
| 20:06.01 | johndo | looks like some strange dependency has installed me a ~n rt kernel .. |
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| 20:14.02 | jhutchins_wk | JohnDoh: A normal desktop system really can't tell what kind of kernel it has. |
| 20:14.56 | sambagirl | I received a notification that i had updates which i mentioned earlier this morning. well i selected everything to install etc...there were 2 items that were 3rd party. Eldy and Chrome. Neither would install. Any reason why they would not? |
| 20:16.02 | jhutchins_wk | sambagirl: aptitude is pretty good about explicitly saying why it won't install things. |
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| 20:16.29 | johndo | jhutchins_wk: i mean are there any applications on a desktop system which can benefit from a kernel with realtime capabilities? |
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| 20:20.44 | PhoenixSTF | nvz, how do you do that? |
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| 20:21.19 | Nebukadneza | heho |
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| 20:21.36 | dvs | herro |
| 20:22.02 | jhutchins_wk | johndo: There are some music and video applications that can. |
| 20:22.24 | PhoenixSTF | nvz, the pxe to internet mirror? |
| 20:23.15 | DammitJim | I am using arandr to set the monitors/resolution stuff |
| 20:23.20 | roe | wow, wheezy is going xfce? |
| 20:23.37 | DammitJim | how do I make the laptop recognize that I have an external monitor and use a particular configuration? |
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| 20:24.16 | DammitJim | with nvida-settings I used to be able to just save the config while disconnected and connected and then it would know what to display by itself |
| 20:24.19 | zecrazytux | roe: yup, by default. there are still other DE isos |
| 20:24.36 | johndo | jhutchins_wk: ok, but i guess for my normal music and video replay i can live with some stuttering and rather avoid a realtime kernel |
| 20:24.45 | Nebukadneza | say, i have a 3.4 kernel with a 1.4.3 cryptsetup and a ssd, i've added the discard options to both /etc/fstab and crypttab, as well as /etc/initramfs/conf.d/cryptroot ... then i've regenerated initrds using update-initramfs -k all -u and rebooted. i see that my uncrypted /boot partition has trim support, but root doesn't. dmsetup table also doesn't report discard capabilities |
| 20:24.49 | Nebukadneza | what could that be? Oo |
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| 20:28.34 | jhutchins_wk | johndo: You should not notice anything, that's what I meant that you can't tell in a desktop environment. |
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| 20:28.54 | jhutchins_wk | johndo: For high-end professional work it might be useful, but not for average use. |
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| 20:34.56 | ksuhku | DammitJim, man xrandr |
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| 20:36.21 | enkidu | hello. Why every time I update my system (amd64), I have to remove wine-bin:i386, and then install it again? |
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| 20:37.16 | JordiGH | Dell is full of idiots: http://jordi.platinum.linux.pl/piccies/dell-fan/ |
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| 20:39.28 | pozic | Is there any Bittorrent client which doesn't segfault on anything? |
| 20:39.29 | DammitJim | ksuhku, arandr uses xrandr |
| 20:39.40 | DammitJim | JordiGH, +1 on the Dell thing |
| 20:39.49 | JordiGH | They sent me the wrong fan. |
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| 20:40.04 | DammitJim | I had a tech show up today and fix the new laptop I got last week |
| 20:40.06 | ksuhku | DammitJim, dunno if arandr provides that option for you but xrandr sure does |
| 20:40.12 | JordiGH | I specifically told them, "are you sure? This model has two varieties, one with an nvidia card, and one with built-in intel card. I don't want the fan for the nvidia card." |
| 20:40.18 | JordiGH | They sent me a fan for the nvidia card. |
| 20:40.20 | DammitJim | then another tech showed up to do the same job but for a completely different system |
| 20:40.22 | pozic | I find it rather silly that such software is even distributed in the first place. A rule like 'one segfault and you are dropped out of the Debian distribution for a year' would be most welcome. |
| 20:40.29 | DammitJim | he had the same parts, but for a different system |
| 20:40.39 | DammitJim | what is xrandr's option? |
| 20:40.52 | ksuhku | DammitJim, just rtfm |
| 20:40.57 | enkidu | JordiGH: fan is the same, you need to replace it :) heatsink differs |
| 20:41.16 | JordiGH | enkidu: The heatsink is kinda attached, and uses smaller precision screws. |
| 20:41.40 | JordiGH | I can't take it apart as easily as the rest. |
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| 20:41.50 | enkidu | I see it, but don't call this screws "precision" |
| 20:41.53 | DammitJim | man, that's nice of you, ksuhku |
| 20:42.12 | ksuhku | DammitJim, anytime bro |
| 20:42.14 | enkidu | you haven't seen mechanic watches |
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| 20:42.48 | JordiGH | enkidu: I just looked again. The replacement fan is welded onto the heatsink. It takes more than screws to take it apart. |
| 20:42.58 | hexdump_ | Hello quick question which is probably easy, but I have two network cards installed and it seems they are both using the same kernel driver. Is there a way to disable one and leave the other? I have an old pc that has a 100mbit card and a 10mbit card. I want to disable the 10mbit. |
| 20:43.25 | hexdump_ | Can I use rmmod err? |
| 20:44.15 | kesroesweyth | Is there a way I can write a script, preferably bash, that will execute a command within an existing screen session? Like maybe attach it, run a command, then detach? I'm trying to find a good way to do this. |
| 20:45.07 | enkidu | JordiGH: so someone was very mad mounting it |
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| 20:47.17 | enkidu | my lappy lost its screen today |
| 20:47.32 | ksuhku | kesroesweyth, screen -X? |
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| 20:47.57 | kesroesweyth | ksuhku I think you're right. I'm currently reading a bit about it here: http://www.jerri.de/blog/archives/2006/05/02/scripting_screen_for_fun_and_profit/ |
| 20:48.31 | frostschutz | kesroesweyth: screen -d -r yourscreensession -X screen yourcommand. runs your command in a new window in this screen. that what you want? |
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| 20:49.17 | kesroesweyth | frostschutz It might be. I want to basically send keystrokes, followed by Enter. |
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| 20:49.55 | frostschutz | kesroesweyth: ok, that's different |
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| 20:50.41 | kesroesweyth | Also the screen is owned by another user and my user is given access via enabling multiuser and acl |
| 20:50.45 | kesroesweyth | (if that makes sense) |
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| 20:51.53 | ingenieroariel | Hello channel, I have a question about packaging (debuild in particular), is this the right channel to post it? |
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| 20:52.41 | ingenieroariel | Assuming the answer is yes, I would like to know how to override the latest entry in the change log to get the version, or alternatively get it from the git commit messages before a given tag. |
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| 20:53.06 | rootard_ | security.debian.org (specifically 2607:ea00:101:3c0b:207:e9ff:fe00:e595) is refusing connections. |
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| 20:53.51 | frostschutz | that sounds very secure then |
| 20:54.05 | ksuhku | applauds |
| 20:54.12 | rootard | indeed, a little too secure. Where should I report this? |
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| 20:54.58 | leo-unglaub | hi, witch packages do i need to apt-pin if i want the linux kernel from experimental? |
| 20:55.15 | dvs | ,kernels |
| 20:55.16 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.5-trunk-686-pae (3.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.23-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.21-3); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.20-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
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| 20:56.06 | leo-unglaub | dvs: yes, but do i need the kernel package only or do i have to pin dependency's to? |
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| 20:56.33 | dvs | leo-unglaub: You only have to install the package. But why? |
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| 20:57.14 | leo-unglaub | i have read that the 3.5 kernel brings a lot of the new drivers for multiple monitors |
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| 20:57.16 | ingenieroariel | found 'man dch' |
| 20:57.37 | leo-unglaub | and i need them because i have hug graphical troubles with my 3 screens in 3.2 |
| 20:57.37 | ingenieroariel | leaving the channel now, take care. |
| 20:57.47 | dvs | whoa |
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| 20:58.41 | leo-unglaub | what? are i am wrong? |
| 20:59.20 | dvs | leo-unglaub: no but that kernel won't even be in wheezy when it's released |
| 21:00.06 | leo-unglaub | hmm, i am currently on debian testing |
| 21:00.27 | leo-unglaub | i know it's experimental, but i really have huge problems with my monitors here |
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| 21:00.37 | leo-unglaub | if there is a better solution i am more than happy about that |
| 21:00.49 | leo-unglaub | but i am afraid thats a kernel thing i have to deal with |
| 21:01.02 | rootard | I sent a report to debian-admin. |
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| 21:01.33 | dvs | leo-unglaub: well, if you can live without the support, that's up to you. |
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| 21:02.23 | leo-unglaub | it's really hard..because if i drag windows on my 3 screen they start lagging and so on. it's impossible to work with that for another half year or so |
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| 21:03.07 | leo-unglaub | well, i will give i a try...whats the worst thing that can happen? i have to downgrade with a live debian from a stick? |
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| 21:04.04 | leo-unglaub | dvs: thanks for your help ! |
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| 21:04.38 | dvs | no prob |
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| 21:06.59 | SiDz | command newaliases freeze |
| 21:07.00 | SiDz | forever |
| 21:07.02 | SiDz | any clue? |
| 21:07.14 | dkr | weird. alien is telling me it generated a .deb but I can't find it anywhere |
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| 21:08.48 | SiDz | tryed to reinstall postfix |
| 21:08.52 | SiDz | it froze when running newaliases |
| 21:09.21 | SiDz | postalias hash /etc/aliases |
| 21:09.23 | SiDz | frozed |
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| 21:11.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | oh no, what did you guys do?!?! |
| 21:11.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | you took changed the default of xfce? |
| 21:11.17 | johndo | shouldn't the first display on a multi-screen server be :0.0 and not :0? |
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| 21:11.35 | kesroesweyth | Anyone know how to send keystrokes including a trailing <Enter> into an existing screen session? I can't seem to figure it out. All I can do is send screen commands like :quit to screen itself. |
| 21:11.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | the world is going to shake over this. i can tell the end is near.. |
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| 21:14.30 | lazka | Does anyone know how to cache passwords for pgp? |
| 21:15.08 | lazka | I remember that I enabled it some time ago with seahorse, but that dialog seems to be gone now.. |
| 21:16.09 | dvs | Eryn_1983_FL: Yes, that's when Windows 8 will be released. :-P |
| 21:16.46 | riot | uh, what happened here, apt tells me theres a dependency problem even when it seems there isn't: http://pastebin.com/SXc8fNUY (or am i understanding something wrong here?) |
| 21:17.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 21:18.04 | peterS | lazka: I have the 'gnupg-agent' package installed and I've rigged gpg-agent a bit to run in my X session |
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| 21:19.02 | peterS | riot: what's the problem? It says nodejs breaks any version of 'node-semver' up to 1.0.13-1, which is what you have. And it breaks any version of 'npm' up to version 1.1.4~dfsg-1, which is what you have |
| 21:19.43 | peterS | riot: to resolve this, you have to either _not_ install node-semver and npm, or you have to install newer versions that don't conflict with nodejs |
| 21:19.58 | riot | i wouldn't know how with only unstable as repo ;) |
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| 21:20.37 | peterS | riot: yeah, well, I don't see newer versions of either of those anywhere in the archive either. So I guess you can wait until they are uploaded |
| 21:20.51 | lazka | peterS, pgp-agent was the right keyword, thanks! "use-agent" in gpg.conf did it |
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| 21:21.40 | riot | peterS: i suppose so, i'm actually not really motivated to install the stuff from source :/ thanks for your hint, though *g* |
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| 21:22.54 | peterS | riot: I suspect this is related to renaming /usr/bin/node to /usr/bin/nodejs recently. The dependent packages need to be altered to use the /usr/bin/nodejs binary, and presumably that hasn't happened yet for those two |
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| 21:29.06 | riot | peterS: i was wondering about their logo, something changed.. so the js fell off.. hmhm, i wonder if it makes the packages any better. I still think javascript as server language is scary. |
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| 21:29.50 | Titanus | hi all |
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| 21:30.10 | peterS | riot: well, /usr/bin/node is a terribly generic name for this sort of thing. But the real problem is that Debian already _has_ a "node" package, written 10 or 15 years ago, that is entirely unrelated to javascript. Although its binary is /usr/sbin/node rather than /usr/bin/node, this was deemed too confusing to have two 'node' programs |
| 21:30.26 | riot | eek :) |
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| 21:30.59 | peterS | riot: In the end they are both being renamed, as 'node' is as I said not a very suitable name anyway. I also note that this renaming may end up being Debian-specific, which is unfortunate, but upstream node.js people have been aware of the problem for years, so oh well. |
| 21:31.25 | gnarface | some people just want to feel important by crowding the namespace |
| 21:31.38 | gnarface | fucking hadoop installs /usr/sbin/start-all.sh |
| 21:31.39 | gnarface | *sigh* |
| 21:31.46 | peterS | gnarface: ha. nice. |
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| 21:32.09 | peterS | gnarface: recently it came to light that there is not one but two packages in Debian that ship a "guess" binary |
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| 21:34.47 | peterS | riot: anyway you probably picked this up by now, but when nodejs says "Breaks: node-semver (<= 1.0.13-1)", it really means "node-semver needs to be updated to say /usr/bin/nodejs, this hasn't happened yet, but we assume it will happen in the next upload." |
| 21:35.05 | peterS | or I'm guessing that's what they maintainers meant, anyway |
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| 21:35.32 | riot | yup. Thanks again. I'm actually too curious about "tilemill" that i've just begun downloading the source repos ;) |
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| 21:57.01 | Rix | hi, I have the no-sound with hdmi issue on my laptop, instead sound goes to the soundcard and through the laptop's speakers |
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| 21:57.14 | Rix | I guess I have to disable the sound card or sth? |
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| 22:02.40 | aguitel | is possible to upgrade kde to 4.9 ? |
| 22:02.48 | jordanm | ,versions kde-full |
| 22:02.49 | judd | Package: kde-full on i386 -- squeeze: 5:66; sid: 5:77; wheezy: 5:77 |
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| 22:14.40 | themill | aguitel: no-one has even started packaging it for debian. No. |
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| 22:15.01 | abrotman | doesn't mean he can't upgrade to it .. just means he can't use packages :) |
| 22:16.06 | nvz | packages abrotman's keyboard |
| 22:16.48 | willmore | Whomever decides that the default desktop for Wheezy should be Xfce deserves a big old hug. Thank you! |
| 22:16.55 | willmore | err, 'decided'. |
| 22:17.02 | nvz | willmore: apparently you did |
| 22:17.21 | willmore | I'm actually using it under Fedora ATM. |
| 22:17.24 | willmore | :) |
| 22:18.06 | nvz | if you get cd1 and install desktop system you wind up with gnome 3, only way you'd get xfce is if you download the xfce+lxde flavor of cd1 |
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| 22:20.00 | willmore | nvz, according to Phoronix, that has been changed as gnome won't fit on one CD, so it's out and Xfce is in. |
| 22:20.15 | willmore | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE1NTk |
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| 22:20.17 | abrotman | nvz: read the news |
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| 22:20.24 | nvz | willmore: gnome has never fit on 1 CD and we always made due anyhow |
| 22:20.56 | nvz | if you get squeeze cd1 and install gnome, then change to an internet mirror and install gnome again, you'll see it installs a bunch of additional stuff |
| 22:21.06 | willmore | If you 'made due' you meant did net installs from a very stripped down CD, then I agree. All of my installs have been done that way. |
| 22:21.44 | nvz | either way I don't really care either way.. as far as I'm concerned all the DEs suck bigtime now |
| 22:21.54 | willmore | nvz, you lost me at 'and install gnome'. Why would I ever do that? ;) |
| 22:21.59 | willmore | can't argue that. |
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| 22:26.22 | abrotman | they should have just gone with lxde and been more concerned with accessory tools |
| 22:26.23 | somiaj | If people really care about a default desktop install, they should use the images from live.debian.net |
| 22:26.42 | abrotman | ...? |
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| 22:29.35 | somiaj | debian provides the choice of desktops, and if you want a paticular one preconfigured to install off of a dvd (guess they don't fit on cds anymore) image, there is a live image for each of the major de's to do just that already. |
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| 22:30.27 | TadekMocarz | hi i have problem |
| 22:30.40 | sambagirl | is anyone running opencart at the moment? |
| 22:30.46 | abrotman | you? |
| 22:31.03 | abrotman | somiaj: or just use the netinst and install it from http sources? :) |
| 22:31.18 | abrotman | TadekMocarz: we're not mind readers |
| 22:31.43 | TadekMocarz | I READ this documentation http://linux.die.net/man/1/ffmpeg |
| 22:31.43 | TadekMocarz | and try to use -dct_algo 10 |
| 22:31.43 | TadekMocarz | but i get error UNRECOGNIZED COMMAND |
| 22:31.46 | TadekMocarz | why |
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| 22:31.52 | TadekMocarz | its included in manual, help me |
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| 22:32.14 | themill | TadekMocarz: is that manual written for the version of ffmpeg you actually have installed? |
| 22:32.24 | somiaj | abrotman: well that is more for the people who want all the install media available in one image. Though I really hope wheezy cleans up the non-free firmware issues to make it a bit smoother to use a netinstall on many wifi cards. |
| 22:32.26 | TadekMocarz | i dunno but i installed newest version |
| 22:32.30 | TadekMocarz | of ffmpeg |
| 22:32.38 | nvz | thats strange, I've been using debian about 12 years and I never read my manpages on linux.die.net |
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| 22:34.11 | TadekMocarz | ok you was right, im nigger, this is old documentiation |
| 22:34.16 | TadekMocarz | there is newer on official site |
| 22:34.18 | abrotman | somiaj: they added WPA!? :) |
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| 22:34.33 | TadekMocarz | btw. im using windows |
| 22:34.35 | abrotman | you're what? |
| 22:34.47 | somiaj | abrotman: that would be good to. No my hope is they fix a lot of the wireless issues the netinstall had in squeeze. |
| 22:34.47 | TadekMocarz | im .. whatever |
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| 22:34.56 | somiaj | I haven't tried the testing installer at all. |
| 22:35.03 | abrotman | TadekMocarz: no idea what you're getting at, but you seem to be rude and offtopic, good day! |
| 22:35.21 | abrotman | somiaj: yeah .. but i don't see it happening |
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| 22:42.13 | unkmar | so um, |
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| 22:43.28 | unkmar | Intel HD3000 graphics and Sid. I guess the first question is about backporting and if it can be done such that only somethings are backported? I'd like to keep my Sid as stable as possible. |
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| 22:44.40 | jalalsfs | Which version of Gnome will be in Debian 7? |
| 22:45.07 | unkmar | Another question might be. When might we expect Wheezy to be marked stable? |
| 22:45.16 | themill | unkmar: umm... do you really mean sid? or squeeze? |
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| 22:45.37 | themill | jalalsfs: 3.4 |
| 22:45.50 | unkmar | themill: debian 6. |
| 22:46.09 | themill | unkmar: so the complete opposite of sid then. squeeze. |
| 22:46.13 | jalalsfs | themill, Is there a link for all packages which will be in Debian 7? |
| 22:46.26 | abrotman | unkmar: backporting why? |
| 22:46.28 | themill | jalalsfs: packages.debian.org. There's about 30000 packages.... |
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| 22:47.10 | jalalsfs | themill, I mean what packages will be in Debian 7? Which version of them? |
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| 22:47.34 | unkmar | abrotman: I'm running squeeze on a laptop with Graphics: Intel Sandy Bridge HD 3000 Generation 2. I've been reading it needs a slightly newer kernel than I am running now. |
| 22:47.46 | abrotman | unkmar: what does that have to do wiht running Sid? |
| 22:47.49 | themill | jalalsfs: packages.debian.org tells you htat |
| 22:47.55 | unkmar | abrotman: 2.6.39 |
| 22:48.03 | themill | abrotman: he's not... he's running squeeze and confused |
| 22:48.08 | unkmar | abrotman: not a thing. Forget I said sid. |
| 22:48.10 | themill | dpkg: tell unkmar about bpo xorg |
| 22:48.19 | ManoftheSea | Slashdot tells me XFCE is default desktop? |
| 22:48.24 | abrotman | unkmar: that kernel doesn't exist in any version of Debian ... not sure where you got that |
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| 22:48.31 | abrotman | unkmar: what is 'uname -r ? |
| 22:48.36 | unkmar | I ran sid a few years back. Its stuck in my brain. :) |
| 22:48.51 | ManoftheSea | neat. |
| 22:48.56 | themill | unkmar: you 'll want both xorg and kernel from backports for that things to have any hope of working |
| 22:49.00 | unkmar | abrotman: 2.6.39-5-amd64 |
| 22:49.24 | themill | ManoftheSea: such defaults are irrelevant. People will install what they want |
| 22:49.26 | abrotman | unkmar: aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64 .. for starters |
| 22:49.40 | abrotman | srsly .. who still uses tasksel |
| 22:49.48 | ManoftheSea | themill: defaults are for people who don't yet know what they want. |
| 22:49.56 | ManoftheSea | I use Gnome mostly because it was a default. |
| 22:50.05 | abrotman | doesn't really think xfce is a good default .. lxde probably would have been better |
| 22:50.08 | ManoftheSea | Though, I had a bad experience with KDE once. |
| 22:50.33 | ManoftheSea | Which one looks like Gnome 2? Isn't that xfce? |
| 22:50.53 | abrotman | xfce doesn't look like gnome2 |
| 22:51.06 | ManoftheSea | Lxde looks like a windows desktop, with the menu in the bottom-left and the systray in the bottom right? |
| 22:51.07 | gusnan | abrotman, care to go into detail on that? Why lxde would have been better? |
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| 22:51.37 | abrotman | gusnan: smaller, jsut as funcitonal, allows more space on the CD/DVD for other tools |
| 22:51.54 | abrotman | ManoftheSea: that's the default, yes |
| 22:53.13 | gusnan | abrotman, alright - I was just curious on why you thought that... |
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| 22:58.37 | unkmar | dpkg: tell abrotman about ssb |
| 22:58.53 | unkmar | dpkg: needs an update. Starts talking about ssb. |
| 22:58.53 | dpkg | unkmar: i don't know |
| 22:59.00 | unkmar | Oops. |
| 22:59.11 | abrotman | unkmar: wtf? |
| 22:59.20 | abrotman | unkmar: what does ssb have to do with anything? |
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| 23:00.08 | unkmar | It was just a logical process I had when looking through and... I made a very bad assumption that you might know who might update the dpkg bot. |
| 23:00.13 | unkmar | sorry. :/ |
| 23:00.24 | abrotman | i do .. |
| 23:00.33 | abrotman | what does tha thave to do with the command i gave you ? |
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| 23:01.51 | unkmar | abrotman: I went through, bdo, bdo kernel, bdo xorg, backport caveat, version chasing, sns syndrome, and finally ssb. |
| 23:02.13 | abrotman | i gave you the *exact* command |
| 23:02.14 | themill | right... so? |
| 23:02.23 | abrotman | if you're going to ignore the answers, why ask the question? |
| 23:02.24 | unkmar | abrotman: I ran your command and still don't have 2.6.39 |
| 23:02.38 | abrotman | ... |
| 23:02.48 | abrotman | unkmar: are you on squeeze? |
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| 23:03.19 | unkmar | abrotman: yes! |
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| 23:03.42 | abrotman | unkmar: have you read the instructdions at backports.debian.org ? |
| 23:05.35 | heoa | How can I create a bootable USB stick? I am just wanting to install debian to USB stick in Ubuntu because I am fed up to Ubuntu's bugs, now even with USB -creator https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/722019 |
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| 23:06.10 | abrotman | heoa: read the install guide, ti's clearly described |
| 23:06.20 | Gargantua | Is there any chance I'd find the package maintainer for "trayer" here? |
| 23:06.35 | abrotman | Gargantua: and who would that be? |
| 23:06.43 | tharkun | heoa: unetbootin should be available also in ubuntu although what abrotman said is the properly documented way ;P |
| 23:06.53 | abrotman | unetbootin DOES NOT WORK |
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| 23:07.11 | abrotman | it fails roughly 50% of the time .. people should stop recommending it |
| 23:07.23 | Gargantua | abrotman: "Jens Peter Secher". |
| 23:07.31 | abrotman | Gargantua: we'd need the IRC name :) |
| 23:07.42 | abrotman | finds it |
| 23:07.45 | tharkun | abrotman: Well i've been stationed on the 50% of the time window that works fine |
| 23:07.45 | heoa | abrotman: where is the documentaion? |
| 23:07.48 | Gargantua | I don't explicitly need him. I'm reading the INSTALL file on that package, it mentions a configure script but there's none. |
| 23:07.54 | abrotman | heoa: /msg dpkg ig |
| 23:07.55 | Gargantua | abrotman: any ideas how I could compile it? |
| 23:08.05 | abrotman | Gargantua: if it's a package, you don't need to ? |
| 23:08.30 | Gargantua | abrotman: some people still like to hack the source code. |
| 23:08.34 | Gargantua | ;) |
| 23:08.41 | jordanm | the INSTALL file shouldn't be part of the package, but it's not a big deal that it's there |
| 23:08.43 | abrotman | Gargantua: /msg dpkg source .. use the Debian source package .. |
| 23:08.49 | tharkun | !tell Gargantua ssb |
| 23:08.52 | jordanm | the binary package I mean |
| 23:09.03 | heoa | abrotman: sorry, cannot understand a word. |
| 23:09.06 | abrotman | wonders if tharkun has been drunking ... :) |
| 23:09.11 | abrotman | dpkg: tell heoa about ig |
| 23:09.12 | unkmar | abrotman: I didn't find the number to 50%. Was higher than that when I last attempted. I almostly completely abandoned the bootable USB idea. |
| 23:09.15 | abrotman | dpkg: tell heoa about usb install |
| 23:09.17 | Gargantua | abrotman: thank you |
| 23:09.39 | tharkun | abrotman: Only water, SEE WHAT HAPPENS ;P |
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| 23:09.50 | ipatrol | new VM setup |
| 23:09.55 | heoa | abrotman: dpkg install ig |
| 23:09.56 | heoa | dpkg: error: need an action option |
| 23:09.56 | dpkg | heoa: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 23:10.04 | unkmar | USB booting works best by hand and each round based on which distro you want working. I've yet to see a functional debian USB. :( |
| 23:10.11 | abrotman | heoa: /msg dpkg ig |
| 23:10.25 | heoa | ...aa it is a bot :D |
| 23:10.27 | abrotman | unkmar: it's to install, not to run, and hte install guide is clear, and it works |
| 23:10.42 | abrotman | heoa: yes .. it's an IRC command, you'll see another window open where 'dpkg' is talking to you |
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| 23:10.56 | abrotman | heoa: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ |
| 23:11.10 | qw12 | how to redirect output of nc to file or pipe to grep ? |
| 23:11.32 | abrotman | doesn't netcat have an output option ? |
| 23:12.05 | grothendieck | qw12: the usual ">" and "|" operators don't work? |
| 23:12.11 | jordanm | qw12: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html#Redirections |
| 23:12.25 | ipatrol | maybe it needs more netcat food? ;-P |
| 23:12.28 | tharkun | qw12: why not use tcpdump? |
| 23:12.30 | grothendieck | lol |
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| 23:12.43 | jordanm | assuming your shell is bash, but the simple redirections are POSIX |
| 23:12.47 | abrotman | tharkun: you don't know what he's doing with it |
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| 23:13.06 | tharkun | abrotman: That is why I ask else I command :) |
| 23:13.09 | heoa | abrotman: but I cannot yet understand, I want just bootable USB stick for debian to install debian to my comp -- no one-tool for this? |
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| 23:13.22 | qw12 | grothendieck: actually &> works, but i want to pipe to grep |
| 23:13.25 | tharkun | abrotman: I've seen the weirdest attempts of solutions to trivial problems |
| 23:13.26 | ipatrol | there is |
| 23:13.27 | abrotman | heoa: cat foo.iso ; sync |
| 23:13.27 | jordanm | a set of tools... GNU coreutils |
| 23:13.27 | heoa | (Ubuntu's GUI wrapper is broken) |
| 23:13.30 | abrotman | uh |
| 23:13.35 | abrotman | heoa: sort of |
| 23:13.38 | abrotman | heoa: did you read the install guide? |
| 23:13.39 | qw12 | tharkun: need to use nc, tcpdump does other things and don't want to install |
| 23:13.51 | ipatrol | debian's website has USB images |
| 23:13.55 | abrotman | heoa: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-isohybrid |
| 23:14.00 | qw12 | jordanm: can you tell how to piepe to grep ? |
| 23:14.01 | jordanm | abrotman: sync will occur on umount |
| 23:14.08 | abrotman | jordanm: if you mount it ? |
| 23:14.10 | jordanm | qw12: command | grep |
| 23:14.12 | heoa | abrotman: ofc not, just skim-read: a lot of stuff, there should be some fast way |
| 23:14.18 | jordanm | abrotman: ah... right |
| 23:14.18 | tharkun | qw12: good enough. research File descriptors for whatever shell you are using |
| 23:14.36 | abrotman | heoa: i just linked you to the fast way ... |
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| 23:15.10 | qw12 | jordanm: doesn't work with nc |
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| 23:15.14 | heoa | abrotman: # means root three? |
| 23:15.25 | abrotman | generally, yes |
| 23:15.27 | ipatrol | usually |
| 23:15.31 | abrotman | in Ubuntu, you can use sudo IIRC |
| 23:15.33 | jordanm | qw12: yes it does, the command doesn't matter, teh shell does the redirection |
| 23:15.38 | heoa | (yes I love that, much better than ubuntu's wrapper XD |
| 23:15.39 | qw12 | jordanm: since its the stderr that i want, not the standard output |
| 23:15.48 | jordanm | qw12: if the output isn't going to grep, then the output isn't stdout |
| 23:15.54 | grothendieck | qw12: ls 2>&1 > dirlist |
| 23:16.00 | jordanm | qw12: command 2>&1 | grep |
| 23:16.01 | qw12 | jordanm: can you tell how to pipe stderr to grep |
| 23:16.02 | grothendieck | qw12: nc 2>&1 > dirlist |
| 23:16.11 | qw12 | grothendieck: figured how to do to file, i want direct pipe to grep |
| 23:16.43 | jordanm | qw12: there are many examples in the reference documentation that I linked you to |
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| 23:17.52 | grothendieck | qw12: it also sounds to me like you need to be writing a script to do this |
| 23:18.17 | qw12 | jordanm: guys, thanks loking |
| 23:18.21 | grothendieck | maybe use perl |
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| 23:19.44 | randomuserhaha | what other debian channels are there? |
| 23:20.02 | abrotman | many, why? |
| 23:20.09 | flower | there are several more on oftc |
| 23:20.14 | randomuserhaha | any for developers? |
| 23:20.14 | grothendieck | http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/?net=freenode&chat=debian |
| 23:20.16 | randomuserhaha | on freenode? |
| 23:20.21 | abrotman | randomuserhaha: why? |
| 23:20.22 | randomuserhaha | oh |
| 23:20.36 | randomuserhaha | I would like to get into open source |
| 23:20.42 | abrotman | wonders about grothendieck's lack of common sense ... |
| 23:20.49 | abrotman | randomuserhaha: there's a BTS full of bugs, fix them |
| 23:20.57 | flower | hrhr |
| 23:21.15 | randomuserhaha | I'd so anything.... |
| 23:21.25 | abrotman | randomuserhaha: you'd what? |
| 23:21.35 | randomuserhaha | s/do/so |
| 23:21.42 | abrotman | randomuserhaha: bugs.debian.org .. start submitting patches |
| 23:21.47 | randomuserhaha | right |
| 23:22.05 | abrotman | there's a page on the debian.org website about how to help |
| 23:22.07 | tharkun | qw12: Take a look at socat (Sorry got the name fubared) and see the STDOUT option or the SYSTEM one. Life is simple |
| 23:22.16 | unkmar | themill: abrotman: Awesome, I have my video now. |
| 23:22.18 | Gargantua | abrotman: what does this mean? |
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| 23:22.25 | Gargantua | E: Ignore unavailable target release 'testing' of package 'stalonetray' |
| 23:22.53 | abrotman | Gargantua: do oyu have testing in your sources? what is stalonetray? |
| 23:22.55 | Gargantua | I added a deb-src line and updated. |
| 23:23.01 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/intro/help.en.html |
| 23:23.05 | Gargantua | deb-src http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/debian/debian/ stable main contrib |
| 23:23.06 | Gargantua | I have that. |
| 23:23.21 | abrotman | that's stable .. not testing |
| 23:23.44 | Gargantua | Right, but stalonetray is in stable? |
| 23:23.54 | abrotman | judd: versions stalonetray |
| 23:23.55 | Gargantua | The binary package. |
| 23:23.56 | judd | Package: stalonetray on i386 -- lenny: 0.7.6-1; squeeze: 0.8.0-1; sid: 0.8.1-1; wheezy: 0.8.1-1 |
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| 23:24.13 | abrotman | so it is .. but pinning to testing, won't help you if you're not using a testing source |
| 23:24.26 | rawburt | why doesn't the Debian website just send people here? why to a channel on OFTC? |
| 23:24.28 | Gargantua | I'm not pinning to testing. |
| 23:24.41 | abrotman | rawburt: that's their choice .. we don't control that |
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| 23:24.50 | jalalsfs | After beta1 will be beta2 or will release the stable version? |
| 23:25.08 | abrotman | jalalsfs: that has nothing to do wiht it, those are betas of the installer, not of wheezy |
| 23:25.16 | abrotman | Gargantua: look in your preferences file |
| 23:26.15 | heoa | abrotman: what is the command to finger the SD1, SD2 i.e. to see whta they are, there was some commands but cannot remember -- perhaps just rading dmesg? |
| 23:26.23 | Gargantua | /etc/apt/preferences.d/ is empy. |
| 23:26.25 | Gargantua | empty* |
| 23:26.31 | abrotman | heoa: dmesg | grep sd |
| 23:26.40 | Gargantua | Or do you mean apt.conf? |
| 23:26.49 | abrotman | Gargantua: somewhere you've pinned it looks like |
| 23:26.59 | Gargantua | Oh, that says APT::Default-Release "testing"; |
| 23:27.01 | Gargantua | iN APT.CONF. |
| 23:27.07 | abrotman | inverted capslock! |
| 23:27.12 | Gargantua | o: |
| 23:27.16 | jalalsfs | abrotman, Oh, thanks. What's your guessing about Wheezy will be release? |
| 23:27.37 | abrotman | jalalsfs: when the RC bugs reach 0 .. 5-6 months is my guess |
| 23:27.50 | aguitel | themill, thanks |
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| 23:28.04 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ .. when the green line hits 0 |
| 23:28.32 | abrotman | only 572-ish more bugs to go! |
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| 23:30.07 | rawburt | abrotman: duh, just comrading with fellow folks who agree |
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| 23:30.22 | grothendieck | I am compiling some math software that has a ton of dependencies (mpfr, pari, readline, ...) some of them are built from source and linked in at compile time with the main program |
| 23:30.47 | rawburt | so I'm looking to zero out, secure erase, whatever, an entire LVM2 partition... any suggestions? |
| 23:30.56 | grothendieck | mpfr in particular seems to be very sensitive to the version of GCC and likes to segfault if I get it wrong |
| 23:31.25 | grothendieck | is it a better practice to use an older version of GCC to build the software? (gcc-4.4 seems to work) |
| 23:31.29 | aidalgol | abrotman: Sounds like a small number for such a large distro. |
| 23:31.58 | grothendieck | aidalgol: they've been at it for what 3 years? |
| 23:32.48 | grothendieck | where is a better place to ask about general software development questions? |
| 23:33.05 | CissWit | rawburt: dd if=/dev/random of=yourpartition bs=1M |
| 23:33.24 | grothendieck | I am building .deb packages I would like to eventually submit for inclusion for debian and ubuntu repos |
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| 23:33.46 | CissWit | depending on whether you are paranoid or not, you can replace /dev/random by /dev/zero |
| 23:34.08 | grothendieck | rawburt: you can also 'shred -u' to securely remove a file |
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| 23:34.36 | grothendieck | to wipe the partition, use 'dd' like CissWit suggests |
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| 23:37.04 | heoa | abrotman: cat: write error: No space left on device ? |
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| 23:37.18 | heoa | (I thought it will overwrite it...) |
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| 23:37.35 | heoa | (I have 15GB stick for 200MB, should have enough space, perhaps perms' prob) |
| 23:38.10 | nvz | whats with the parenthetical? |
| 23:39.51 | heoa | nvz: because I think I am stupid moron and the prob is a simple permission prob but I don't know yet, just audit report... |
| 23:40.45 | heoa | (I messed up with Ubuntu's creator and sudo so not doubting at all if something badly wrong, the buggy software I mean...) |
| 23:41.22 | akls | Hello! I have a problem with my wireless adapter. It was working fine, but now it stopped working! If I try "iwlist scan" - it work ok, but I cannot change essid/key using iwconfig. No errors, nothing, it simply cannot change the essid. This adapter uses rtl2870sta driver, I've tried another adapter which is zd1211rw - it works. I've tried connecting this "broken" adapter to another pc - it works. What could be wrong? |
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| 23:42.11 | heoa | nvz: (I killed the automatic mounting with the stick and getting the errs which I cannot yet understand) |
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| 23:43.45 | abrotman | heoa: what device did you pick ? |
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| 23:44.20 | heoa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:44.38 | abrotman | heoa: do you have something on that usb device you want ? |
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| 23:45.01 | heoa | abrotman: yes I had the old installation files there created by the buggy USB -creator |
| 23:45.14 | heoa | (but otherwise I cann kill it) |
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| 23:45.32 | abrotman | heoa: so you want /dev/sdb |
| 23:45.32 | heoa | I want to replace it with the newest iso -image |
| 23:45.49 | jmosco | any experience with iscsi and volume groups? On reboot, I have to run vgchange -ay, and thats not desired |
| 23:45.49 | heoa | (I assumed the catting the iso will replace them) |
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| 23:45.57 | rawburt | CissWit: that's what I was looking for, thanks. |
| 23:46.15 | heoa | abrotman: I want to create a bootable USB -stick with /dev/sdb, yes, my usb stick) |
| 23:46.16 | jmosco | the volume groups are for VM guest volumes, so they dont have mount mounts |
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| 23:47.28 | abrotman | heoa: right, you want the drive, not the partition |
| 23:47.34 | pparadis | jmosco: have you considered just having an init script (or even a single entry in /etc/rc.local) just issue that for you on reboot? |
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| 23:48.17 | pparadis | jmosco: my virt hosts use local storage, so i don't deal with iscsi personally. |
| 23:48.35 | jmosco | I have, but I was thinking there is an *actual* way to do so with open-iscsi |
| 23:48.55 | heoa | abrotman: err cannot understand, wrong entry? I want to install debian, I have the iso -image and I want to create a bootable USB stick because Ubuntu's native tool is broken... |
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| 23:49.47 | abrotman | heoa: cat foo.iso > /dev/sdb .. NOT sdb1 |
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| 23:50.51 | Gargantua | Who maintains dpkg? (The bot) |
| 23:51.07 | Tenchworks | on a fresh install of debian, am I allowed to choose my desktop enviroment (gnome,kde,etc) or does it a preffered defualt? |
| 23:51.10 | nvz | dpkg, who owns you? |
| 23:51.11 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 23:51.25 | Gargantua | dondelelcaro: this normal? [02:48:43] <dpkg> KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 23:51.26 | abrotman | Tenchworks: depends what you do when you install |
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| 23:51.32 | abrotman | Gargantua: yes, that's normal .. |
| 23:51.37 | Gargantua | Okay. |
| 23:51.37 | nvz | Gargantua: haha, yes.. thats normal |
| 23:51.37 | abrotman | Gargantua: that means *you* messed up |
| 23:51.48 | abrotman | Tenchworks: but you can always change it later |
| 23:51.50 | Gargantua | just noticed the keyboard-chair |
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| 23:52.51 | Tenchworks | abrotman, alrighty, thanks |
| 23:56.14 | heoa | abrotman: do I need to install bootloader ro can I now try installation? |
| 23:56.28 | heoa | (not sure whether the iso -file contain it |
| 23:57.41 | abrotman | the installer will offer to install a bootloader |
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