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| 00:25.39 | sneex | when is "testing" iso made ? |
| 00:26.33 | youlysses | What do you mean "made"? |
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| 00:27.30 | sneex | before they are sent to be downloaded; I want them to test some that has been broke last two spins |
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| 00:29.45 | sneex | oh well, check back sunday cuz monday they will be broken again lol |
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| 00:45.18 | Aldebaran | hello |
| 00:46.39 | dvs | zzzzzzzzz |
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| 01:01.32 | mercutio22 | I had compiled a package by hand and removed its binaries once I found out the package was now available in the debian repo |
| 01:01.50 | mercutio22 | Now it wont come back even after I install from apt |
| 01:02.25 | gnarface | mercutio22: --reinstall |
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| 01:04.09 | mercutio22 | gnarface: /usr/sbin/airodump-ng: no such file or directory. *after aptitude --reinstall |
| 01:07.02 | gnarface | mercutio22: i meant with apt-get, like this: apt-get --reinstall install [package name] |
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| 01:07.48 | gnarface | mercutio22: either that or remove the old one the right way first |
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| 01:07.55 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 01:08.33 | Aldebaran | rtorrent says : Hashing: Storage error: [Hash checker was unable to map chunk: but i have plenty of ram and hd space. filesystem corruption? |
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| 01:10.12 | johnfg | is this a known problem at present: http://dpaste.org/hNCza/ |
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| 01:11.08 | Kagee | johnfg: Read the news on http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ |
| 01:11.52 | johnfg | Kagee, Thanks, I will. |
| 01:12.49 | johnfg | Kagee, Yup, that's it. Will go edit sources.list now. Thanks again! |
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| 01:19.08 | johnfg | Kagee, I already did update and no problem. Ya think I still need to add deb-multimedia-keyring? i.e., since editing sources.list? |
| 01:19.27 | johnfg | Or is the old one okay (maybe it's current). |
| 01:20.44 | dvs | johnfg: I'd try and install that package anyways. |
| 01:21.17 | johnfg | dvs, Ya, just did, and it returned that deb-multimedia-keyring is already the newest. So that's good. |
| 01:21.26 | dvs | cool |
| 01:21.27 | johnfg | dvs, Thanks for the suggestion. |
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| 01:34.47 | martin868686 | According to growisofs manual "appending of data to ISO9660 volumes residing on random-access media such as DVD+RW, DVD-RAM, plain files". How is DVD+RW random-access media? |
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| 01:36.59 | nsadmin2 | ohysically it's obviously sequential, not random |
| 01:37.28 | nsadmin2 | but it has an infrastructure which lends itself to random access, being it's a block device |
| 01:38.19 | martin868686 | nsadmin2, ok, but same is true for data CD's as well? |
| 01:38.25 | nsadmin2 | physically, random access is a performance hit |
| 01:38.28 | nsadmin2 | yes |
| 01:39.42 | nsadmin2 | hds are examples of a compromise between the two, concentric tracks and stepper motors |
| 01:42.19 | dutchfish | hi, i would like to know if perl supports overloading i.e. instead of using SHA1 from main, i would like to use the module Digest::SHA1, is that possible? |
| 01:42.31 | nsadmin2 | different raid levels vary in how well they can do random access... an example of something that needs random access is an sql database system |
| 01:44.36 | nsadmin2 | dutchfish, you mean function overloading? I'd say no... functions of the same name in a particular namespace will replace |
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| 01:46.32 | dutchfish | nsadmin2, replace as in the ones from my loaded module will superimposed instead? |
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| 01:47.10 | nsadmin2 | dutchfish, first let me just make sure... we're talking about function overloading? |
| 01:47.18 | dutchfish | nsadmin2, yes |
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| 01:47.39 | dutchfish | nsadmin2, from a module to replace something that already in perl |
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| 01:48.23 | dutchfish | nsadmin2, in my case SHA1, wich is in the new perl but was not in the old one |
| 01:48.38 | nsadmin2 | ok, looking at function overloading in c++, how does it tell which... it builds a list of the candidates and then looks at the call to determine which function to call |
| 01:48.55 | dutchfish | right |
| 01:49.18 | dutchfish | from pascal the latest one wins |
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| 01:49.26 | dutchfish | no idee about perl |
| 01:49.29 | Na_Klar | what does the "(!)" behind the uptime in htop want to say to me? Is it a recommendation to restart the machine (up 126 days) |
| 01:49.40 | nsadmin2 | in perl, it's wayy too easy to have a function whose args are too ambigous |
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| 01:50.04 | dutchfish | Na_Klar, no just informative, as in "nice to be up so long" |
| 01:50.20 | bobdobalina | dear friends, i am about to pull my hair out because of squeeze |
| 01:50.22 | Na_Klar | ah I see .. :P |
| 01:50.29 | Na_Klar | *proud* |
| 01:50.52 | dutchfish | nsadmin2, explain? |
| 01:51.35 | bobdobalina | why don't the checkbox on the "Software Sources" "Debian Software" tab work? |
| 01:51.41 | bobdobalina | checkboxes* |
| 01:51.58 | nsadmin2 | in fact, you can define a function that doesn't declare args at all... what happens instead, is inside the function you take the items from the (defaultly-named) @_ |
| 01:52.06 | bobdobalina | i'm running amd64 squeeze |
| 01:52.35 | Rygrass | ok i just restarted my server currently on a local network but i can't log into web admin ? |
| 01:52.36 | nsadmin2 | one way is: my (@hellostring, @worldstring) = @_ |
| 01:52.48 | dutchfish | nsadmin2, ah ok. not what i ment. If i want to overload a function with the exact same arguments. Can that be done? |
| 01:52.51 | Rygrass | trying using https://192.168.2.102:10000/ page doesn't even load |
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| 01:53.20 | Rygrass | tried /etc/webmin/stop |
| 01:53.23 | nsadmin2 | dutchfish, I don't think you can replace core perl functions |
| 01:53.25 | Rygrass | and /etc/webmin/start still nothing |
| 01:53.39 | dutchfish | nsadmin2, ok, that is an answer. Thanks. |
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| 01:54.21 | nsadmin2 | however, you may be able to replace functions defined in a namespace |
| 01:54.36 | dutchfish | nsadmin2, my problem is lsightly more complex, because the overloading module is needed as a dependcy for a module that is not in debian. hence my question. |
| 01:55.10 | dutchfish | nsadmin2, i just try then |
| 01:55.44 | nsadmin2 | dutchfish, there's some combination of talking to cpan and debhelper where a cpan perl module can be pulled from cpan and built into a debian package |
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| 01:55.54 | nsadmin2 | you may wish to look into that |
| 01:56.10 | dutchfish | nsadmin2, yes, doing exactly that atm. thanks. |
| 01:56.40 | nsadmin2 | the unfortunate part is I don't know how deps among cpan modules are handled |
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| 01:56.58 | SiDz | Rygrass /etc/init.d/? not /etc/?/ |
| 01:57.08 | Rygrass | wow i got it working now.. sorry |
| 01:57.12 | Rygrass | i tried another browsers |
| 01:57.23 | Rygrass | google chrome didn't want to work today.. |
| 01:57.33 | Rygrass | how odd been using that for year or two with it |
| 01:57.54 | dutchfish | nsadmin2, me neither ;) the module i am packeging atm is Template::Plugin::Digest::SHA1 wich needed Digest::SHA1, which in itself is already inside perl in its newer version. |
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| 01:58.34 | nsadmin2 | Rygrass, be careful with webmin... conventional wisdom suggests you should learn to control a site using command line only, including editing text config files |
| 01:58.38 | dutchfish | nsadmin2, i figure it out. Thanks for the hints. |
| 01:58.48 | nsadmin2 | dutchfish, np |
| 01:58.52 | Rygrass | yeah thanks nsadmin2 |
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| 02:00.02 | nsadmin2 | Rygrass, the other thing is (webmin has many modules and) some modules don't work properly, and that can cause serious problems |
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| 02:03.23 | Rygrass | yeah i only use it as a guide to my server as make sure process are working |
| 02:03.31 | Rygrass | only a small game server i am running anyway :P |
| 02:03.33 | Rygrass | nothing mager |
| 02:04.12 | bobdobalina | guys i need help installing non-free ethernet drivers on squeeze |
| 02:04.19 | bobdobalina | and i cannot find a good guide on it |
| 02:05.00 | bobdobalina | i did the whole dpkg --install firmware-realtek_028+squeeze1_all.deb |
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| 02:05.19 | bobdobalina | and it looks like it installs, but my ethernet connection still doesn't work |
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| 02:05.39 | bobdobalina | and i have been fighting with this for 3 days now |
| 02:05.46 | shred805 | http://paste.debian.net/182020/ |
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| 02:05.59 | shred805 | can someone point out what im doint wrong |
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| 02:07.39 | MikeekiM | hi |
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| 02:09.29 | nsadmin2 | bobdobalina, does it boot? |
| 02:10.25 | nsadmin2 | shred805, looks like a lot of libs it needs are missing or not findable |
| 02:11.09 | shred805 | nsadmin: i found some of them |
| 02:11.14 | shred805 | they are in /usr/lib |
| 02:11.23 | shred805 | and i added that to my path in /etc/profile |
| 02:11.29 | LtL | bobdobalina: try this link, it may apply, http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-realtek |
| 02:11.34 | nsadmin2 | is it still not findable? |
| 02:11.46 | shred805 | yeah i still cannot find them |
| 02:12.20 | shred805 | it still * |
| 02:12.22 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: yes,I just did a fresh install of squeeze |
| 02:12.42 | nsadmin2 | shred805, it may be that the dynamic linker cannot link the existing libs, perhaps because your app is not compatible with them |
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| 02:12.54 | bobdobalina | LtL: that's the package i'm trying to install |
| 02:12.58 | Na_Klar | gives "du -s" kb or b? |
| 02:13.42 | nsadmin2 | bobdobalina, ok, cool... when you ran the installer (is that what you did?), did it pull pieces of the installer and packages to install from the net? |
| 02:13.59 | shred805 | nsadmin: i had this app installed successfully the same way on different squeeze machine. i was trying to replicate it |
| 02:14.11 | shred805 | so it does work on squeeze |
| 02:14.25 | sickgut | How do i remove all the -dev packages installed, using dpkg? dpkg --P *dev doesnt seem to work, there are lots on this system i dont need and i wanna free up some space |
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| 02:14.33 | nsadmin2 | shred805, if you have access to both machines, type "arch" on each |
| 02:14.36 | nsadmin2 | same? |
| 02:14.41 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: It wont allow me to pull anything from the net because I don't have a net connection. |
| 02:14.50 | shred805 | yeah they are both amd 64 bit |
| 02:14.57 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: I had to download this package from another machine and copy it over to this machine. |
| 02:15.09 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: When I do |
| 02:15.38 | nsadmin2 | bobdobalina, you said earlier you used the debian installer to install debian, just making sure here, is that what you did? |
| 02:16.13 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: sorry, When I do "dpkg --install *the package name*" it says "Preparing to replace... Unpacking... Setting up... then it just stops and leaves me with the terminal windows blinking |
| 02:16.29 | nsadmin2 | bobdobalina, (when you do the following you will see paragraphs and labels... show all the labels pls) ifconfig -a |
| 02:17.29 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: Give me a second I will need to type this up, or copy it to a thumb drive |
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| 02:17.48 | nsadmin2 | shred805, hmm. type file /path/to/yourapp |
| 02:18.36 | nsadmin2 | bobdobalina, there might only be two labels |
| 02:18.37 | shred805 | nsadmin, thank you |
| 02:19.02 | peterrooney | sickgut: why use dpkg? apt-get --purge remove $( deborphan -a | awk ' /-dev$/ {print $2;}' ) # the deborphan package was designed for this kind of thing |
| 02:19.25 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: Oh you just want the labels, there are three |
| 02:19.32 | nsadmin2 | ok |
| 02:19.37 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: eth0 lo and pan0 |
| 02:20.02 | nsadmin2 | hmm, so you have an eth0, that might be your net, and it could need the firmware |
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| 02:20.51 | nsadmin2 | bobdobalina, could you do lspci -nn | grep -i net |
| 02:20.59 | nsadmin2 | in fact do this first |
| 02:21.08 | nsadmin2 | bobdobalina, could you do lspci -nn | grep -i net | wc -l |
| 02:21.18 | sickgut | i dont have deborphan im running a raspberry pi with debian armv6 installed and im trying to get all their educational stuff off of it, i thought there was an easy wild card i could use wth dpkg |
| 02:21.45 | sickgut | but if i have to ill install deborphan so i can remove all the other stuff |
| 02:21.48 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: all I got back was "1" |
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| 02:22.06 | simonlnu | as expected |
| 02:22.59 | simonlnu | wc == word count, -l count lines |
| 02:23.05 | nsadmin2 | bobdobalina, take the | wc -l off, run it again, you should see something like [1232:abce] |
| 02:23.11 | nsadmin2 | show us just that thing |
| 02:23.18 | peterrooney | sickgut: I came across it when I was dealing with 500 MB hard drives. it's awesome. |
| 02:23.43 | nsadmin2 | simonlnu, he might have had a wired and wireless :) |
| 02:23.47 | bobdobalina | [10ec:8168] |
| 02:23.59 | nsadmin2 | , pciid [10ec:8168] |
| 02:24.00 | judd | [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
| 02:24.17 | peterrooney | wonders if raspbian is or should be considered "based on debian" by #debian |
| 02:24.25 | nsadmin2 | does that thing need firmware? he's got an eth0 now |
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| 02:25.27 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: and I know the hardware isn't broken because the ethernet works fine with my windows hard drive |
| 02:25.45 | nsadmin2 | bobdobalina, lsmod | grep r8169 |
| 02:26.24 | nsadmin2 | does that show one line or zero lines? |
| 02:26.54 | nsadmin2 | also try route -n | grep eth0 |
| 02:27.06 | nsadmin2 | zero lines? some lines? |
| 02:27.10 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: "r8169 36840 0" and the next line has "mii 3210 1 r8169" |
| 02:27.50 | nsadmin2 | ok, so seems the driver mentioned by judd is operational |
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| 02:28.51 | nsadmin2 | to make it easier to type, I'm trying to arrange these into yes/no |
| 02:29.14 | bobdobalina | I appreciate the help nsadmin2 |
| 02:29.27 | bobdobalina | because this is honestly driving me bananas |
| 02:30.04 | nsadmin2 | I think we could try the interface... if it doesn't work, then we should try to find the firmware and get it installed |
| 02:30.25 | nsadmin2 | we might be able to pick apart the firmware .deb you downloaded |
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| 02:30.49 | nsadmin2 | which direction do you want to go? |
| 02:31.01 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: whichever is easier for you |
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| 02:31.32 | nsadmin2 | ok, we'll try the interface... what's on the other end of the ethernet cable? |
| 02:31.32 | bobdobalina | i see a bunch of .fw files in the .deb package |
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| 02:32.04 | nsadmin2 | bobdobalina, what dir do they go in? |
| 02:32.20 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: a Linksys E3000 router |
| 02:32.41 | nsadmin2 | ok, is that linksys doing dhcp? |
| 02:33.01 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: they are in a /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/ directory |
| 02:33.08 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: yes it is doing DHCP |
| 02:33.19 | nsadmin2 | how many iface lines in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 02:33.59 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: two |
| 02:34.15 | nsadmin2 | one of them iface eth0? |
| 02:34.41 | nsadmin2 | oh, and on the ifconfig -a, the paragraph for eth0 have an address? |
| 02:35.48 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: all i see that isn't hashtagged in /etc/network/interfaces is "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback" |
| 02:36.19 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: and ifconfig -a shows no IP address with eth0 |
| 02:37.37 | nsadmin2 | bobdobalina, add a line to that file, iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 02:37.52 | nsadmin2 | save file, exit editor, try: ifup eth0 |
| 02:39.43 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: it keeps doing "DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval *random intervals*" |
| 02:40.05 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: 255.255.255.255 is definitely not my subnet mask though if that's what it's looking for |
| 02:40.06 | nsadmin2 | ok, so it's not getting anything back... |
| 02:40.20 | nsadmin2 | mkdir firmware-work |
| 02:40.39 | nsadmin2 | what's the filename of that deb with the firmware? |
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| 02:41.17 | bobdobalina | firmware-realtek_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb |
| 02:42.08 | nsadmin2 | ok, if you did that mkdir, what dir were you in/did the dir appear in? |
| 02:42.36 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: the desktop where the .deb file is located also |
| 02:43.04 | nsadmin2 | ok, so it's in ~you/Desktop/ |
| 02:43.22 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: yes |
| 02:43.40 | nsadmin2 | ok, cd ~/Desktop |
| 02:44.09 | nsadmin2 | cp firmware-realtek_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb firmware-work |
| 02:44.15 | nsadmin2 | cd firmware-work |
| 02:44.28 | nsadmin2 | ar x (hit tab) <enter> |
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| 02:45.00 | nsadmin2 | what other stuff is in there besides the .deb? |
| 02:45.50 | nsadmin2 | brb, getting stuff |
| 02:46.02 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: wait what is "ar x"? |
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| 02:50.27 | karlpinc | bobdobalina: A command. You need to add, at least, a filename to the end. |
| 02:50.36 | karlpinc | bobdobalina: man ar |
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| 02:51.37 | bobdobalina | karlpinc: you sure that comes default with squeeze? |
| 02:52.01 | bobdobalina | karlpinc: because i dont have it |
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| 02:53.47 | nsadmin2 | bobdobalina, ar is kinda like tar except different format... x is extract |
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| 02:53.53 | bintut | waves |
| 02:54.04 | bintut | i just installed pdns-recursor on my debian squeeze box. i'm wondering if this really works properly as my home name caching server. is there any best practice to follow in setting up pdns-recursor? |
| 02:54.10 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: I don't think it comes by default with squeeze though because I don't have the command |
| 02:54.23 | bintut | some info of my current setup was pasted at http://pastie.org/4387335 |
| 02:54.33 | nsadmin2 | doesn't dpkg call ar? |
| 02:54.47 | nsadmin2 | , deps ar |
| 02:55.02 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: i'm not sure |
| 02:55.05 | nsadmin2 | , file bin/ar |
| 02:55.10 | judd | Search for bin/ar in squeeze/i386: binutils: usr/bin/ar; binutils-multiarch: usr/bin/ar; binutils-h8300-hms: usr/h8300-hitachi-coff/bin/ar; mingw32-binutils: usr/amd64-mingw32msvc/bin/ar, usr/i586-mingw32msvc/bin/ar; binutils-m68hc1x: usr/m68hc11/bin/ar; binutils-avr: usr/lib/avr/bin/ar |
| 02:55.36 | nsadmin2 | hmm. it's in binutils |
| 02:56.37 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: i'm looking through /bin/ and I don't see it |
| 02:56.39 | bintut | from the server itself, whenever i use its own resolver from making it as the default nameserver in the /etc/resolv.conf, i cannot resolve names. |
| 02:56.46 | karlpinc | nsadmin2: a .deb is an ar file, so dpkg does _something_ ar-ish. |
| 02:58.03 | karlpinc | bintut: debug nameserver problems with dig. |
| 02:58.06 | bintut | same thing if i also try to resolve from my laptop or pc as a client device. but if i use my ISP's name server, i can resolve properly though it's slow. please advice. thank you. |
| 02:58.18 | bintut | karlpinc: no response. |
| 02:58.21 | nsadmin2 | karlpinc, yaknow, maybe you can help here... so, when he tries to install the firmware package, it gets stuck... so I thought, let's bruteforce it by not using dpkg and copy the firmwares to the right dir |
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| 02:58.34 | nsadmin2 | he doesn't have net yet |
| 02:58.44 | nsadmin2 | so maybe he just has base installed |
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| 02:59.18 | nsadmin2 | bobdobalina, do you have just a / partition? on how large a drive? |
| 02:59.23 | karlpinc | nsadmin2: Lordy. Just base would be fine.... But I've fuzzyhead. If he has base he should be able to install with dpkg. |
| 02:59.53 | bobdobalina | yeah just a / on a 80 gig drive |
| 03:00.13 | nsadmin2 | ok then we should try to find out why it's getting stuck (and disk full is not the reason) |
| 03:00.17 | karlpinc | bintut: Is your isp firewalling out dns traffic to anywhere but their dns servers? You could configure your nameserver as a forwarding server to your isp's nameserver. Then at least you'd have a local cache. |
| 03:01.20 | karlpinc | bintut: Again. Use dig. Try to get it to talk to 8.8.8.8 and see if you can get through or if your isp is blocking the traffic. |
| 03:02.01 | karlpinc | bintut: dig www.debian.org @8.8.8.8 |
| 03:02.12 | karlpinc | bintut: (Of course it could be _your_ firewall as well.) |
| 03:03.23 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: and I just kept everything as default during the install |
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| 03:03.55 | nsadmin2 | ok |
| 03:03.58 | karlpinc | bobdobalina: Just what happens when you try to do dpkg -i on the firmware? Is there something in the backstory? |
| 03:04.18 | nsadmin2 | bobdobalina, do you still have the .deb on athoer machine when you copied it? |
| 03:06.57 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: it says "Reading database... Preparing to replace firmware... Unpacking... Setting up firmware..." then it just goes back to the bash prompt |
| 03:07.18 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: and no but i can re-download it |
| 03:07.59 | nsadmin2 | wait, it worked |
| 03:08.06 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: oh and I notice at the top right the little icon comes up that says "a package manager is working" |
| 03:08.15 | nsadmin2 | that's exactly what's supposed to happen |
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| 03:08.30 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: my ethenet still doesn't work though |
| 03:08.58 | nsadmin2 | when was the first time that ended in seting up firmware then bash prompt? |
| 03:09.13 | karlpinc | bobdobalina: After installing firmware a reboot would not hurt.... |
| 03:09.15 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: it did that since the first time I tried |
| 03:09.43 | bobdobalina | karlpinc: I rebooting last time i tried to install the firmware i still had no ethernet conection though |
| 03:09.53 | nsadmin2 | bobdobalina, ok, was that first time before or after you tried to ifup eth0? |
| 03:10.29 | bobdobalina | before |
| 03:11.47 | nsadmin2 | could you do dmesg | tail and see if you can see where it tried to load firmware |
| 03:12.14 | nsadmin2 | if not try dmesg | tail -20 |head |
| 03:13.45 | nsadmin2 | if you can see it, what file does it say it tried to load |
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| 03:14.30 | Diopter | Firmware is annoying. |
| 03:14.31 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: i see a part where it says "firmware: requesting rtl_nic/rtl8168d.fw" |
| 03:14.55 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: then it says "eth0: link down", "eth0: link is not ready" |
| 03:15.30 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: i'm sorry it's "rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw" |
| 03:16.22 | nsadmin2 | [ -d /lib/firmware/rtl_nic ] && echo yes || echo no |
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| 03:17.33 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: it said "yes" |
| 03:18.21 | nsadmin2 | ok, good... now, |
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| 03:18.33 | nsadmin2 | you can edit that line so it looks like: |
| 03:19.07 | nsadmin2 | [ -e /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d.fw ] && echo yes || echo no |
| 03:19.19 | nsadmin2 | (note -d -> -e) |
| 03:20.40 | bobdobalina | you mean rtl8168d-2 right? |
| 03:21.19 | nsadmin2 | (for more info after this, [ -q stuff ] is same as test -q stuff ... and there's lots of stuff in man test) yes, the -2 thing |
| 03:21.39 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: the answer was yes |
| 03:21.49 | nsadmin2 | ok, so the file is present |
| 03:21.56 | nsadmin2 | next, |
| 03:22.08 | nsadmin2 | edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:22.25 | nsadmin2 | add line "auto eth0" above iface eth0 .... |
| 03:22.38 | nsadmin2 | save file, exit editor, reboot |
| 03:23.06 | nsadmin2 | then watch carefully as it comes back up, you'll see dhcp discovers |
| 03:23.16 | nsadmin2 | watch what happens |
| 03:25.32 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: it's still doing the DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 stuff |
| 03:25.44 | bobdobalina | during this bootup |
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| 03:26.02 | nsadmin2 | you mean it's continuing to do that before you rebooted? |
| 03:26.15 | bobdobalina | no i just rebooted and it's doing it |
| 03:26.23 | nsadmin2 | ok, and no responses? |
| 03:26.25 | bobdobalina | during bootup |
| 03:26.27 | bobdobalina | nope |
| 03:26.36 | bobdobalina | and now that i've logged in i still don't have a connection |
| 03:26.58 | nsadmin2 | and there is another os on this computer now? |
| 03:27.25 | bobdobalina | i have two hard drives i flip flop with this computer |
| 03:27.29 | bobdobalina | the other has windows 7 on it |
| 03:27.36 | nsadmin2 | I'm pretty sure you said "and it works using XYZ os" |
| 03:28.01 | bobdobalina | yes it does work with windows 7 |
| 03:28.28 | bobdobalina | and it did work with debian before squeeze, but i haven't had it installed for a long time |
| 03:28.39 | nsadmin2 | from the last time it worked and now, ever mess with eth cables? |
| 03:28.58 | bobdobalina | nope, i was running the windows hard drive just a few hours ago |
| 03:29.04 | bobdobalina | and it was working fine |
| 03:29.08 | nsadmin2 | ok, hmm. |
| 03:29.29 | bobdobalina | i can swap them again to verify |
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| 03:30.31 | shred805 | does anyone know why my sound would work in rythmbox but not in youtube in firefox or chrome |
| 03:31.05 | nsadmin2 | bobdobalina, yeah, it's at least worth it to see if the cables work |
| 03:31.22 | nsadmin2 | which is 99.9% certainty |
| 03:31.36 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: ok one second |
| 03:33.12 | shred805 | nsadmin2: do you have any idea on why sound would work in vlc or rythmbox but not any web browser? |
| 03:33.46 | nsadmin2 | shred805, youtube (well flash) tries to be very picky about the audio |
| 03:33.50 | shred805 | is it flash maybe |
| 03:33.57 | shred805 | oh |
| 03:34.04 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: i am logged into windows 7 now and am pinging debian.org with no lost packets |
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| 03:34.18 | shred805 | is there a better flash to install for squeeze |
| 03:34.52 | nsadmin2 | bobdobalina, yep... the hardware works... |
| 03:36.02 | nsadmin2 | can you boot back, edit /etc/network/interfaces, #-comment out the auto eth0 and boot again? |
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| 03:37.07 | nsadmin2 | shred805, not sure... I actually have most stuff originating from alsa going to jack |
| 03:37.37 | shred805 | thanks i will try to update flash |
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| 03:40.00 | Squeige | greetings so I am trying to install gcc, Iam doing aptitude -R gcc but I am getting 0 packages found |
| 03:40.31 | nsadmin2 | Squeige, try aptitude install build-essentia. |
| 03:40.40 | nsadmin2 | err missed it by THAT much... |
| 03:40.42 | LtL | Squeige: build-essential |
| 03:40.43 | nsadmin2 | Squeige, try aptitude install build-essential |
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| 03:40.57 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: ok edited, now rebooting |
| 03:41.00 | Squeige | ok trying that thanks |
| 03:41.02 | nsadmin2 | cool |
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| 03:41.48 | nsadmin2 | Squeige, that should give you just enough to compile and link against libc |
| 03:42.13 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: same problem |
| 03:42.20 | Squeige | ok |
| 03:42.29 | nsadmin2 | if you want other libs you'll have to make sure they're installed, both halves, including -dev part |
| 03:43.02 | nsadmin2 | bobdobalina, did you see DHCP_DISCOVER while booting? |
| 03:43.10 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: not this time |
| 03:43.34 | nsadmin2 | ok, that's because "auto eth0" commented. try: ifup eth0 |
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| 03:44.16 | dizzylizzy | i love 'lpr' |
| 03:44.44 | nsadmin2 | dizzylizzy, why? theres no vowels like dizzy or lizzy |
| 03:45.08 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: it's doing the same thing "No DHCPOFFERS received." |
| 03:45.51 | nsadmin2 | bobdobalina, hmm. is this a gigabit eth in the machine? |
| 03:46.02 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: yes |
| 03:46.36 | bintut | karlpinc: sorry, i went out for sometime. i am able to dig to google dns. but i want to host my own name caching server because there are times that even when using my ISP's or Google's dns servers, the resolution is pretty slow. now, i don't know the best practice in setting up home name caching server and i hope you can share your advice in setting up one.. |
| 03:46.41 | nsadmin2 | and it's connecting directly into the hub part of the linksys? |
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| 03:46.50 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: the motherboard is an ASUS M4A785T-M |
| 03:46.52 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: yes |
| 03:47.13 | nsadmin2 | is the linksys gigabit? |
| 03:47.33 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: yes i believe so, I can double check, it's a newer linksys router |
| 03:47.56 | nsadmin2 | so, "could very well be" |
| 03:48.11 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: just double checked it is |
| 03:49.08 | nsadmin2 | ok, so they should negotiate a gb link |
| 03:49.14 | nsadmin2 | what kind of cable? |
| 03:49.15 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: on the website for the motherboard it says it uses a Realtek® 8112L Gigabit LAN |
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| 03:50.30 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: the cable i'm not too sure on the brand, it was here since i moved in and actually goes through a hole drilled in the wall to another room |
| 03:50.46 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: where the router is located |
| 03:52.55 | nsadmin2 | bobdobalina, I don even know why I'm still thinking hardware |
| 03:53.49 | nsadmin2 | let me check omsething |
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| 03:54.44 | nsadmin2 | looky that I have an r8169 |
| 03:56.02 | Diopter | nsadmin2, bobdobalina: You can just check with ethtool |
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| 03:56.41 | bobdobalina | Diopter: what's ethtool |
| 03:57.11 | nsadmin2 | , v ethtool |
| 03:57.12 | judd | Package: ethtool on i386 -- lenny: 6+20080913-1; squeeze: 1:2.6.34-3; sid: 1:3.4.2-1; wheezy: 1:3.4.2-1 |
| 03:57.41 | bobdobalina | i tried running the command, i didn't have it |
| 03:57.52 | Diopter | Ethtool is a fantastic tool. |
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| 03:59.02 | nsadmin2 | Diopter, can you tell if the eth and the linksys have an established link/carrier? |
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| 03:59.14 | Diopter | Yes. |
| 03:59.28 | Diopter | Ethtool will give you that information, but so will just looking at the interface flags |
| 03:59.33 | Diopter | ip l |
| 03:59.39 | Diopter | Or ip a shows them too |
| 03:59.56 | bobdobalina | Diopter: even if there's no firmware installed for the ethernet port? |
| 04:00.05 | bobdobalina | Diopter: and it wont even pick up an IP? |
| 04:00.43 | nsadmin2 | bobdobalina, how new is this mobo? |
| 04:01.03 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: not very new, i'd say at least 3 years old |
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| 04:01.34 | Diopter | bobdobalina: Do you know what the module is that you're loading? |
| 04:01.56 | nsadmin2 | I think he has r8169 |
| 04:03.00 | bobdobalina | the motherboard website shows Realtek® 8112L Gigabit LAN, but debian is showing it's trying to install r8169 |
| 04:03.32 | Diopter | Ok. |
| 04:03.32 | bobdobalina | is there a recommended motherboard for squeeze? |
| 04:03.35 | Diopter | So... |
| 04:03.41 | bobdobalina | at this point i'm willing to buy a whole new motherboard |
| 04:03.48 | nsadmin2 | bobdobalina, the one you have should work |
| 04:03.54 | Diopter | lspci -k | grep -A2 -i "network\|ethernet" <- start there |
| 04:04.00 | Diopter | To find out what module is loaded. |
| 04:04.04 | nsadmin2 | do you hav a spare nic laying around? |
| 04:04.30 | Diopter | Then, modinfo <module> | grep -i firmware |
| 04:04.40 | Diopter | To see what firmware files that module dictates |
| 04:05.14 | bobdobalina | Diopter: "Kernel driver in use: r8169" |
| 04:05.25 | bobdobalina | nsadmin2: unfortunately no |
| 04:05.37 | nsadmin2 | Diopter, is it the driver that decides what firmware to load? |
| 04:05.42 | Diopter | nsadmin2: Yes. |
| 04:05.47 | Diopter | It's listed right in the module info |
| 04:05.49 | Diopter | So |
| 04:06.02 | Diopter | On sid... the firmware package that contains the files in question here is firmware-realtek |
| 04:06.16 | Diopter | rtl8168d-1.fw, for instance |
| 04:06.32 | nsadmin2 | he says it's trying -2 |
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| 04:06.53 | Diopter | Quite probably. But there's 7 indicated |
| 04:07.26 | bobdobalina | what are you meaning by module |
| 04:07.34 | nsadmin2 | you mean 7 different firmwares? |
| 04:07.35 | bobdobalina | or what should i be looking for |
| 04:07.38 | Diopter | nsadmin2: Yes. |
| 04:07.48 | Diopter | modinfo r8169 | grep -i firmware |
| 04:08.10 | bobdobalina | oh i got back... give me a second to type this |
| 04:08.15 | Diopter | Er, more like 8. Looks like rtl8105e must be in another package |
| 04:08.38 | Diopter | bobdobalina: Just install "firmware-realtek" |
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| 04:08.58 | nsadmin2 | hmm. maybe he should try the backport kernel |
| 04:09.00 | Diopter | Then: rmmod r8168; modprobe r8168 |
| 04:09.17 | Skeeter- | resize2fs: New size too large to be expressed in 32 bits |
| 04:09.45 | bobdobalina | Diopter: and by install you mean dpkg -i |
| 04:09.55 | Diopter | bobdobalina: No, I mean "apt-get install firmware-realtek" |
| 04:10.14 | nsadmin2 | he can't without a connection :) |
| 04:10.31 | Diopter | Ah, well |
| 04:10.32 | nsadmin2 | he does have the .deb |
| 04:10.39 | Diopter | Then yar, dpkg -i |
| 04:10.47 | nsadmin2 | what if the backport kernel has the right thing |
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| 04:11.04 | Diopter | It's not in the kernel, the firmware package is the same for squeeze-backports |
| 04:11.19 | Skeeter- | how can i resize a 15tb ext4 to 18tb -? i get this error -> resize2fs: New size too large to be expressed in 32 bits |
| 04:11.37 | nsadmin2 | but the kernel itself might have a different r8169 |
| 04:11.39 | bobdobalina | Diopter: ok did the dpkg -i now you want me to run "rmmod r8168; modprobe r8168" as one line? |
| 04:11.47 | Diopter | Skeeter-: How did you make a 15TB ext4 in the first place? |
| 04:12.03 | Diopter | bobdobalina: Or run two lines, if it makes you more comfortable. rmmod r8168. modprobe r8168. |
| 04:12.06 | Skeeter- | Diopter: that will not help resolve the probmen |
| 04:13.35 | Diopter | Skeeter-: I'm just curious. Was this originally in a 64 bit system and is now 32 bit or something? |
| 04:13.41 | bobdobalina | Diopter: "Module does not exist" and "module not found" |
| 04:13.45 | Skeeter- | 64bits |
| 04:13.58 | Skeeter- | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 04:15.42 | Diopter | Odd. |
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| 04:18.08 | SiDz | so my policy arent loaded |
| 04:18.14 | SiDz | so it can ifup tun* |
| 04:18.32 | SiDz | how can i make selinux start before network |
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| 04:51.56 | gamliel_debian | hi, while using lxde i have tried to change the default filemanager from pcmanfm to dolphin but when i reboot the system, at the start session, the keyboard left to work only the touchpad is working. I rebooted and joined in Recovery mode, when I was in type "init 5" the start session was up and running again in this time the keyboard is fine but the touchpad didnt work. Could you give an advice where to look for info about t |
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| 04:52.17 | melik_ | hey guys, is there anyway i can set ping6 to automatically use my eth0 interface |
| 04:52.38 | Diopter | melik_: It will already if your routing table dictates that. |
| 04:52.54 | Diopter | melik_: Do you mean "As the source interface" or "As the outgoing interface"? |
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| 06:16.17 | DotHack | Morning! |
| 06:16.23 | avernos | i have problem loading X remotely, it is trying to load nv module. |
| 06:16.23 | avernos | http://pastebin.com/wCKv7ix8 |
| 06:16.33 | avernos | does that mean that i am not using noveau? but vesa |
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| 06:18.09 | DotHack | avernos, need some more log for telling that |
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| 06:19.05 | avernos | http://pastebin.com/Pft2Ajeh |
| 06:19.10 | Diopter | avernos: Looks to me like it's loading up nouveau. And vesa. And nv. And fbdev. |
| 06:19.18 | Diopter | avernos: They're all "autoconfigured driver"s |
| 06:19.20 | avernos | that is the full log |
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| 06:21.10 | DotHack | avernos, yes its trying all drivers but in the end it sticks with nouveau and unloads the otehrs |
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| 06:21.32 | avernos | why do i get (EE) Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0) when i #startx |
| 06:21.43 | Diopter | Because the module doesn't exist. |
| 06:22.17 | avernos | because it is too old, i guess it is not used anymore, but why is it there? or how can i get rid of that call |
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| 06:24.18 | Diopter | avernos: Pretty sure it's a default these days, builtin. |
| 06:24.25 | Diopter | avernos: You could just explicitly specify a driver. |
| 06:24.39 | superlinux-hp | hi . I donno what't going on!!! every time I run skype my disk free space on my /home partition goes from 20GB to ZERO!! without any reason it just turns zero. can someone tell me what should I do? I reboot just to get the free space back. |
| 06:24.43 | avernos | Diopter, how can i do that? |
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| 06:25.21 | Diopter | Drop a file named 20-nouveau.conf into /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d, and put this in it: Section "Device"\nIdentifier "Nouveau"\nDriver "nouveau"\nEndSection |
| 06:25.26 | DotHack | superlinux-hp, use lsof while running skype to tell if its using files |
| 06:25.32 | Diopter | avernos: Where \n means newline, of course. |
| 06:25.44 | superlinux-hp | DotHack, ok |
| 06:25.58 | Diopter | superlinux-hp: You can use the "du" (disk use) tool to help identify where your disk space is being utilized |
| 06:26.16 | Diopter | du -hd1 | sort -h, is a good starting point |
| 06:26.25 | superlinux-hp | ok |
| 06:26.40 | Diopter | To help identify which of the top-level directories in your home directory are using space. |
| 06:26.45 | superlinux-hp | Diopter, it's like a virus on windows 95 |
| 06:26.48 | superlinux-hp | :) |
| 06:27.20 | Diopter | However, the fact that rebooting solves it makes me confused. |
| 06:27.31 | Diopter | Unless perhaps the issue is an .xsession-errors file |
| 06:27.34 | DotHack | superlinux-hp, i have seen situation where files get deleted by an application but somehow the filesystem doesnt clean up because the file is still in use... |
| 06:27.52 | avernos | thanks Diopter, will try :) |
| 06:27.56 | Diopter | Anyhow, bedtimes. |
| 06:27.58 | Diopter | avernos: np |
| 06:28.03 | DotHack | night night |
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| 06:29.04 | superlinux-hp | Ah ok |
| 06:29.23 | superlinux-hp | Diopter, it's using the xsession-errors |
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| 06:51.02 | LittleCreature | why is there no linux-image-xen on debian testing? (3.2 kernel) |
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| 06:54.13 | lasers | !debian-next | LittleCreature |
| 06:54.13 | dpkg | | LittleCreature: #debian-next is a channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
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| 07:14.15 | Maiz_en_Heces | Why does Freenode tolerate Child Pornography? |
| 07:14.16 | Maiz_en_Heces | http://pastebin.com/aacTUjjb |
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| 07:18.33 | cardamon | Query regarding apt-pinning: do I need a default entry in my /etc/apt/preferences? I'm running wheezy, and wanted something from sid, but I want to manually approve each such pinning, so I was going to only put on entry and make its Pin-Priority: -10. But do I need another entry with a postive pin priority for Wheezy, or will that be done by default? |
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| 07:21.32 | streuner | cardamon: /msg dpkg bobbitt ; /msg dpkg ssb |
| 07:23.33 | cardamon | streuner: Irrelevant and there are no backports, respectively. Neither answers my question. |
| 07:23.42 | cardamon | But I thank you for your time. |
| 07:23.56 | cardamon | Not for what I want. |
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| 07:31.05 | krababbel | Is there a way to put my PC automatically to sleep with xscreensaver or something? I don't want gnome power manager. |
| 07:31.43 | cardamon | krababbel: yes. |
| 07:31.55 | cardamon | xset |
| 07:32.12 | krababbel | xset it was, thanks cardamon :) |
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| 07:34.37 | Calinou | whoever uses screensavers |
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| 07:35.40 | krababbel | Calinou: I don't need a screensaver, I just want my PC to sleep when idle for some time. |
| 07:35.59 | Calinou | whoever uses powersaving on linux, shutdown is literally the same thing |
| 07:36.06 | Calinou | it's borked as hell :P |
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| 07:36.54 | krababbel | Calinou: works for me, and I don't have to do anything to continue where I left. Whoever uses shutdown these days ... :P |
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| 07:38.55 | krababbel | so xset seems to be only for the display? |
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| 07:41.05 | krababbel | laptop-mode-tools seems more like it |
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| 07:43.51 | cardamon | Same question about apt-pinning. |
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| 07:56.32 | Hanmac | hay can someone help me i have a licence question about librsvg ... the package i have installed says about lgpl but the http://git.gnome.org/browse/librsvg/tree/COPYING site says about gpl ... or i am wrong?¿ |
| 07:57.39 | Kagee | Hanmac: See COPYING.LIB ? |
| 07:59.55 | Hanmac | oO i think that solv everything |
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| 08:07.17 | abec0 | Regarding «sleeping», I use sudo acpitool -s to «suspend to ram» and sudo acpitool -S to «suspendtodisk». Don't know how generic this is, but it works for me. Bound to a nice fluxbox keyboard shortcut too. |
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| 08:08.51 | Hanmac | Kagee thanks for pointing me to the currect file |
| 08:09.09 | cardamon | Do I need to set APT::Default-Release to use apt-pinning or not...I'm getting conflicting information here. |
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| 08:11.17 | nsadmin2 | abec0, how would you bind suspend-to-ram to laptop lid close? |
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| 08:12.32 | abec0 | Ah, afraid I don't. Laptop open, connected to an external screen. But I remember reading about the subject a while ago. |
| 08:12.34 | nsadmin2 | cardamon, probably people have differing opinions on what the best practice is |
| 08:13.07 | nsadmin2 | abec0, no problem; thanks for responding |
| 08:14.03 | cardamon | nsadmin2: What would you recommend for pinning only as exceptions to the rule of not mixing two releases? |
| 08:15.10 | abec0 | nsadmin2: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_acpid#Event_Script |
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| 08:15.51 | abec0 | I used [ linux lid event acpi ] as keywords in $SEARCHENGINE. |
| 08:16.38 | nsadmin2 | cardamon, I don't understand pinning well enough to say... but I will say that I think you're on the right track when you say "exceptional only" |
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| 08:16.47 | cardamon | I don't have APT::Default-Release set...or really know where to set it. Currently searching the various apt man pages for it. I know it gets set in /etc/apt.conf which I don't have. I do have entries in /etc/apt.conf.d/ but nothing scresp "Release set here" |
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| 08:17.55 | cardamon | How about this then...I've set up my pinning the way I think they should go and added a sid to my sources.list |
| 08:18.05 | krababbel | nsadmin2: seems laptop-mode-tools would be the way to go |
| 08:18.24 | nsadmin2 | ok, thanks, I'll look into that |
| 08:18.25 | krababbel | I use pm-utils |
| 08:18.46 | cardamon | Can I look at what this would/update and if I discover everything's gone pear shaped switch it back afterwards before any packages get changed? |
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| 08:20.10 | krababbel | cardamon: why not look at what aptitude says, apt has a -simulate switch too, I believe |
| 08:20.24 | r15 | hi, whenever NetworkManager activates eth0 it changes my default route, however no default route is defined in /etc/network/interfaces file. |
| 08:20.40 | krababbel | both show you what they want to do before doing it card |
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| 08:21.22 | r15 | change in gateway causes internet unreachable. |
| 08:21.44 | krababbel | r15: so? NM does stuff, define a route if you don't want it to change. Not sure if it helps with NM though. |
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| 08:22.10 | krababbel | put gateway in interfaces file |
| 08:22.28 | krababbel | but maybe NM overrides it anyway |
| 08:22.39 | nsadmin2 | or put gateway in dhcp server response |
| 08:24.45 | nsadmin2 | !ops tlaloc could you please get that idiot off |
| 08:24.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nsadmin2 complains about: tlaloc could you please get that idiot off |
| 08:25.01 | simonlnu | ffs |
| 08:25.03 | krababbel | thanks nsadmin2 |
| 08:25.57 | cardamon | krababbel: because I have no idea how to use that to confirm my /etc/apt/preferences is set correctly. |
| 08:26.38 | krababbel | cardamon: well you get a preview always before downloading the packages, so maybe that helps |
| 08:27.02 | nsadmin2 | krababbel, here's what I thought NM does... at first when NM wasn't aware of interfaces file, they fought and probably did conflicting things... I thought the current behavior is nm will ignore an interface that has an uncommented iface line in interfaces |
| 08:27.17 | r15 | http://www.fpaste.org/NMk8/ |
| 08:27.29 | r15 | ^routing table. |
| 08:27.42 | krababbel | nsadmin2: I see, thanks |
| 08:28.55 | nsadmin2 | r15, what's different from first route -n and second? |
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| 08:30.58 | nsadmin2 | krababbel, I would think you'd have to restart nm to have it re-read its config and interfaces |
| 08:31.07 | r15 | nsadmin2:first route -n had eth0 disabled. |
| 08:31.32 | cardamon | krababbel: Yes, but that requires I update first. |
| 08:31.43 | cardamon | I'm worried that I may break something in process. |
| 08:32.29 | r15 | /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/01ifupdown change required? |
| 08:32.31 | nsadmin2 | r15, I see, then the two routes added were a host route to the gw, and a default route thru that gw |
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| 08:32.59 | krababbel | cardamon: no, it will show you what it will do before doing anything |
| 08:33.17 | nsadmin2 | then you removed the default route and added a different one |
| 08:33.19 | cardamon | Update? no. It just goes. |
| 08:34.14 | krababbel | cardamon: I see, I hoped just updating the package info wouldn't break anything. When you remove the sid source, it shouldn't use it anymore. |
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| 08:35.24 | cardamon | But thats...ugh..no, I'm trying to verify my pinning. which means sometimes it should use sid, other times wheezy...but I can't figure out how to get it to tell me which it's getting packages from. |
| 08:36.06 | r15 | /etc/resolv.conf is also becoming blank. |
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| 08:36.58 | cardamon | Hell, my pin for sid is set to -10. Nothing sid should ever come up unless I specify -t sid |
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| 08:37.17 | krababbel | cardamon: in aptitude you could look through the packages, when a package comes in two versions, you can see it there. But I haven't done this recently. If you revert your changes to the config, it should work like before, unless it is buggy. |
| 08:37.18 | cardamon | Pin-priority |
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| 08:38.45 | nsadmin2 | r15, one thing that writes resolv.conf is a dhcp client |
| 08:38.50 | krababbel | cardamon: also aptitude just does the package info without preview, nothing will be changed before you see what will be happening, no? |
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| 08:39.22 | r15 | http://www.fpaste.org/bgLe/ (modified /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/01ifupdown) which works fine. |
| 08:39.38 | krababbel | r15: you don't use resolvconf package maybe? |
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| 08:40.01 | r15 | nsadmin2:yes I saw some logs stating dhcpclient releasing ip on eth0 when i was rebooting. |
| 08:40.37 | cardamon | krababbel: I have no idea what you mean by does, info, preview, ecetera. These are all very vague terms, doubly compounded by the fact that aptitude has two modes of operation: command line and menu driven. |
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| 08:41.19 | r15 | kranannel:yes dpkg -l| grep -i resolv giving me no resolvconf package installed. |
| 08:41.32 | cardamon | My patiences for the issue has worn thin, and while I appreciate your time, I'm going to log off before I use any more of either of ours. |
| 08:42.06 | krababbel | cardamon: I mainly mean the menu, not CLI. By info, I mean when you press 'u', to download package info. |
| 08:42.55 | r15 | nsadmin2: om resolv.conf I see one message, updated by NetworkManager. |
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| 08:43.50 | r15 | # Generated by NetworkManager |
| 08:44.02 | krababbel | r15: resolvconf lists nm as being enhanced, maybe it would help |
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| 08:45.21 | _droid | hi people, i have a question about dd, is there some way in order to show the progress of dd? some kind of verbose mode? |
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| 08:45.41 | ansgar | _droid: kill -USR1? |
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| 08:46.31 | _droid | ansgar: the kill command? |
| 08:46.34 | Hanmac | hm can i ask there when i have problems with the gnome-panel? |
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| 08:48.19 | _droid | Hanmac: i would prefer to ask in the gnome channel |
| 08:48.27 | r15 | http://www.fpaste.org/O8PO/ < Networkmanager logs. |
| 08:49.35 | Hanmac | i asked there but i get no respond (yesterday) |
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| 08:50.50 | _droid | Hanmac: not getting an answer straight away is normal and even happens to me in various channels. But try your luck here |
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| 08:51.25 | r15 | appears to be some bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=617691 |
| 08:51.33 | cardamon | krababbel: u doesn't provide package info in aptitude. it updates you lists. If that's what you think info is, you haven't even grasped what my question in is regarding. |
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| 09:02.27 | r15 | customized /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/01ifupdown http://www.fpaste.org/8Uii/ |
| 09:03.35 | r15 | working for my requirement, however if I change network, i will need to manually change OR disable NetworkManager. |
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| 09:08.46 | deadalnix | is chromium still unable to run NaCl ? Does a solution exists for that ? |
| 09:14.45 | nsadmin2 | chromium and table salt? |
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| 09:15.45 | simonlnu | deadalnix: ask the maintainers |
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| 09:17.27 | engla | deadalnix, where is NaCl even used? |
| 09:18.57 | deadalnix | engla, it isn't mainstream no |
| 09:19.13 | deadalnix | simonlnu, I have no clue how to join them |
| 09:19.35 | deadalnix | engla, you may want to try naclbox (a port of dowbox in nacl) |
| 09:20.07 | simonlnu | join? just have to email them |
| 09:21.06 | OutOfLine | somehow i managed to get strange keyboard configuration (text modus) in wheezy. to get chars like ' or ~ i have to press ' <SPACE>. especially annoying in emacs, btw. how do i get rid of that? |
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| 09:41.59 | engla | OutOfLine: reconfigure keyboard(5) I guess, like nodeadkeys |
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| 09:49.18 | OutOfLine | after doing man keyboard(5) i still cant't see what's the problem: /etc/default/keyboard already had XKBVARIANT="nodeadkeys" in it, but i *do* have these dead keys |
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| 10:01.51 | plueschopath | Hi, how can I install http://mentors.debian.net/package/asterisk? |
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| 10:02.02 | plueschopath | without ? in the link ^^ |
| 10:03.09 | nsadmin2 | plueschopath, what debian release do you run? which one is that asterix for |
| 10:03.21 | plueschopath | nsadmin2: squeeze |
| 10:03.32 | plueschopath | and there is a squeeze-backport at this page |
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| 10:04.13 | nsadmin2 | that should work |
| 10:04.31 | plueschopath | nsadmin2: but how can I install this squeeze-backport? |
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| 10:08.00 | nsadmin2 | it looks like the deb url is http://mentors.debian.net/debian/ |
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| 10:10.10 | nsadmin2 | extracted so far: deb http://mentors.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main |
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| 10:10.19 | nsadmin2 | put that in your sources.list... |
| 10:10.23 | war10ck | :D |
| 10:10.29 | nsadmin2 | ...and smoke it! |
| 10:11.14 | plueschopath | nsadmin2: I'll try ... one moment pls ^^ |
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| 10:12.03 | nsadmin2 | plueschopath, btw you can learn to extract sources.list lines from looking at the mirror |
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| 10:12.20 | plueschopath | nsadmin2: W: Failed to fetch http://mentors.debian.net/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 10:12.20 | nsadmin2 | just read man 5 sources.list |
| 10:13.21 | plueschopath | ah ... there are only source packages |
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| 10:13.49 | nsadmin2 | there is source, and there's binary-i386 |
| 10:14.18 | plueschopath | yeah |
| 10:14.18 | plueschopath | http://mentors.debian.net/debian/dists/squeeze/main/ |
| 10:14.31 | plueschopath | and they are empthy... ^^ |
| 10:14.42 | nsadmin2 | empathetic? |
| 10:14.53 | plueschopath | empty* |
| 10:15.00 | plueschopath | ^^ |
| 10:15.08 | nsadmin2 | hmm. true |
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| 10:15.54 | nsadmin2 | and true again... source and binary-i386 is empty |
| 10:16.53 | plueschopath | nsadmin2: anyways ... what if i get the source from the wheezy-repository, execute "./debian/backports/squeeze" and run debuild -d? |
| 10:16.56 | nsadmin2 | , versions asterisk |
| 10:16.58 | judd | Package: asterisk on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.4.21.2~dfsg-3+lenny6; lenny-security: 1:1.4.21.2~dfsg-3+lenny6; lenny-backports: 1:1.6.2.9-1~bpo50+3; squeeze: 1:1.6.2.9-2+squeeze5; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1:1.6.2.9-2+squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1:1.6.2.9-2+squeeze6; sid: 1:1.8.13.0~dfsg-1+b1; wheezy: 1:1.8.13.0~dfsg-1+b1 |
| 10:17.52 | nsadmin2 | , versions asterisk --arch=amd64 |
| 10:17.53 | judd | Package: asterisk on amd64 -- lenny: 1:1.4.21.2~dfsg-3+lenny6; lenny-security: 1:1.4.21.2~dfsg-3+lenny6; lenny-backports: 1:1.6.2.9-1~bpo50+3; squeeze: 1:1.6.2.9-2+squeeze5; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1:1.6.2.9-2+squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1:1.6.2.9-2+squeeze6; sid: 1:1.8.13.0~dfsg-1+b1; wheezy: 1:1.8.13.0~dfsg-1+b1 |
| 10:18.14 | nsadmin2 | so, you could get it from the normal repo |
| 10:18.38 | plueschopath | from wheezy you mean? |
| 10:18.55 | plueschopath | because i need 1.8.13 or higher |
| 10:19.51 | nsadmin2 | isn't there a lot of asterisk packages, like the core and the modules? |
| 10:20.14 | plueschopath | uhm ... idk? :D |
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| 10:20.57 | nsadmin2 | so you have two choices... you sure you gotta have that version? |
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| 10:21.17 | plueschopath | nsadmin2: yeah |
| 10:21.36 | themill | plueschopath: mentors.d.n is not designed to be used as a repository |
| 10:22.27 | plueschopath | I think I should try to use the source-package from wheezy |
| 10:22.36 | plueschopath | themill: okay ... |
| 10:22.48 | nsadmin2 | ok, got a spare machine? the easier approach is to install wheezy and then install the asterisk that's there, which shouold be the version you want |
| 10:23.33 | nsadmin2 | themill, any idea how hard backporting would be? |
| 10:24.04 | OutOfLine | engla: you *where* right. stupid me was forgetting that i was ssh'ing into my raspberry pi, who should do the logging without burning to much energy... so i was looking at the wrong /etc/default/keyboard file ;) thanks a lot for your help |
| 10:24.09 | plueschopath | nsadmin2: there is a backport-script in the source-package @ wheezy |
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| 10:24.25 | superlinux-hp | hi. my xsession-errors is flooded with this message whenever i run skype : "snd_pcm_avail_update() returned a value that is exceptionally large" . so what should I do? |
| 10:24.27 | plueschopath | but I think something is wrong with it ^^ |
| 10:26.13 | plueschopath | nsadmin2: if I get the source from the wheezy-repository, execute "./debian/backports/squeeze" and run debuild -d i've got http://paste.phcn.ws/?i=1344075940 at the end ... i think about give up this and switch to wheezy ^^ |
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| 10:30.00 | nsadmin2 | plueschopath, it's up to you; either is worth a try... if you would go to wheezy, I'd strongly recommend a separate machine |
| 10:30.20 | nsadmin2 | main reason for my recommendation, you can keep your squeeze |
| 10:30.39 | plueschopath | yeah ... should be no problem :D |
| 10:30.57 | plueschopath | when will wheezy be stable? |
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| 10:31.18 | nsadmin2 | I dunno, maybe 9-12 monthw |
| 10:31.49 | plueschopath | nsadmin2: anyways ... thank you for your help :) |
| 10:32.07 | nsadmin2 | welcome. good luck playin around with that stuf |
| 10:32.08 | nsadmin2 | f |
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| 10:34.04 | superlinux-hp | please guys my problem is serious |
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| 10:34.50 | nkuttler | superlinux-hp: well skype isn't in debian, so not supported here. try googling your error |
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| 11:12.13 | nachos | uh, this is strange, after a fresh install, my /usr partiton is empty ( in rescue shell, cant boot debian ) |
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| 11:14.54 | dutchfish | nachos, is /usr a separate partition and mounted? or is it inside / ? |
| 11:15.04 | k-man | when i run alsamixer, i get ALSA lib pulse.c:243:(pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Connection refused |
| 11:15.14 | k-man | but i'm not using pulseaudio |
| 11:15.27 | k-man | how do i tell alsamixer to just use the default audio device? |
| 11:15.53 | krababbel | what do you mean, not using? do you have pa installed? |
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| 11:19.16 | k-man | krababbel, i do have it installed, but had issues some time ago with it (and mythtv) so now mythtv uses /dev/audio (iirc) directly |
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| 11:21.59 | nachos | if i have sda1 as efi, sda2 as boot and sda3 as lvm, what partition do i execute update grub on? |
| 11:23.47 | nachos | man, this thing wont even boot |
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| 11:33.03 | dutchfish | nachos, a paste of your setup would be helpfull. `fdisk -l` `vgdisplay` |
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| 11:37.30 | dutchfish | nachos, for a grub2 recovery, you might want to read http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html#mozTocId842078 |
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| 11:39.10 | dutchfish | nachos, you can use the debian installer cd and boot into rescure mode for that. |
| 11:39.21 | dutchfish | rescue* |
| 11:40.42 | dutchfish | nachos, if this is a multiboot install, be carefull not to mix up partitions |
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| 11:42.22 | dutchfish | nachos, by default grub2 would be installed in /boot |
| 11:42.42 | dutchfish | nachos, boot partition |
| 11:43.16 | nachos | thanks |
| 11:43.20 | dutchfish | yw |
| 11:43.23 | nachos | its funny, it boots to a black screen |
| 11:43.25 | nachos | then says NO OS |
| 11:44.10 | dutchfish | nachos, either you have mountpoints in lvm that does not resolve, or some quircky setup. again paste what i have asked for further help. |
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| 11:44.33 | nachos | dutchfish: root in lvm? |
| 11:44.47 | dutchfish | nachos, you should know ;) |
| 11:45.11 | nachos | sda1 = efi, sda2 = /boot, sda3 = lvm { /usr/, /var/, /tmp/, /opt/, / } |
| 11:45.25 | nachos | im writing zeros to my drives and trying again |
| 11:45.55 | dutchfish | nachos, then prolly lvm does not mount the PV's. |
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| 11:46.23 | nachos | the bootloader doesnt even appear |
| 11:46.40 | dutchfish | nachos, then reinstall grub2 in /boot |
| 11:47.00 | dutchfish | nachos, and make sure that partition is marked bootable |
| 11:48.23 | dutchfish | nachos, you are running Debian squeeze (aka stable)? |
| 11:49.46 | nachos | yeah installed squeeze |
| 11:49.49 | dutchfish | ok |
| 11:49.52 | nachos | so what's the exact procedure? |
| 11:49.59 | nachos | do i pick to install grub from the menu |
| 11:50.06 | nachos | or skip that, drop to shell |
| 11:50.09 | nachos | apt get grub |
| 11:50.09 | apt | ACTION fetches grub |
| 11:50.14 | nachos | lol |
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| 11:50.15 | dutchfish | nachos, read th elink i gave, boot from the installer cd into rescure mode. |
| 11:50.19 | nachos | thanks |
| 11:50.33 | nachos | run dpkg-reconfigure grub? |
| 11:50.40 | nachos | is that debian or ubuntu |
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| 11:51.00 | dutchfish | nachos, again read carefully the links i gave. |
| 11:51.19 | dutchfish | nachos, same drill, except use the debian installer cd for booting into rescue mode. |
| 11:51.20 | nachos | yup, but is dpkg-reconfigure a ubuntu specific command or is it in debian |
| 11:51.47 | xand | it is from debian. |
| 11:51.49 | dutchfish | nachos, both |
| 11:52.00 | nachos | thanks |
| 11:52.10 | nachos | also, the grub in debian will install to the EFI directory right? |
| 11:52.19 | dutchfish | *no* |
| 11:52.31 | dutchfish | nachos, in /boot |
| 11:53.17 | Calinou | good luck, I heard UEFI |
| 11:53.24 | nachos | what about the BOOTX64.efi |
| 11:53.27 | nachos | the efi image |
| 11:54.15 | dutchfish | nachos, https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/01/msg00168.html |
| 11:54.31 | KsM | what's the command that usually runs on install that asks you if you want the machine to be an http/ssh/ftp/etc server, desktop, laptop? |
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| 11:55.09 | xand | KsM: tasksel |
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| 11:55.26 | dutchfish | KsM, that is a routine inside a .udeb, if you want to install ssh for remote access, aptitude install openssh-server |
| 11:55.57 | dutchfish | KsM, if you mean ssh during install time |
| 11:56.13 | KsM | yeah, I was thinking tasksel |
| 11:56.15 | KsM | thanks |
| 11:57.20 | nachos | one final question for the night |
| 11:57.31 | nachos | does grub2 drop a EFI boot image into the EFI partition? |
| 11:57.33 | nachos | the debian grub2 |
| 11:58.10 | dutchfish | nachos, no, the machine boots like this: uedi -> marked boot partition -> grub2 |
| 11:58.17 | dutchfish | s/uedi/uefi |
| 11:59.08 | nachos | you sure, there is no BOOTX64.efi created? |
| 11:59.20 | dutchfish | nachos, the same as a third party boot manager would do |
| 11:59.22 | nachos | that's a problem, im on a crackbook |
| 11:59.33 | nachos | MacBook =\ |
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| 11:59.55 | dutchfish | nachos, no idee, about that, maybe others can help with that. |
| 12:01.08 | dutchfish | nachos, also read this http://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro/ |
| 12:01.25 | nachos | the instructions are terrible |
| 12:01.28 | nachos | i tried reading that |
| 12:01.37 | nachos | i dont know what 'system' partition is |
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| 12:02.59 | nachos | hm im thinking ill go back to gentoo |
| 12:03.39 | dutchfish | nachos, within http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook system partition means, the partition which is bootable for /boot or / (if /boot is within /), ie the bootable partition a primary one. |
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| 12:04.17 | nachos | thanks |
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| 12:04.34 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 12:04.36 | dpkg | [debianlove] the more I gain knowledge about Linux, the more I like Debian. Ask me about <why debian> too. For more information, see http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 12:04.47 | nachos | !why debian |
| 12:04.48 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 12:05.07 | nachos | i still like debian |
| 12:05.09 | nachos | don't get me wrong |
| 12:05.14 | nachos | but i think it doesnt suit my mac |
| 12:05.22 | nachos | i think i need 3.x series kernels to make it work properly |
| 12:05.56 | dutchfish | nachos, well, alot of others have done is all i can say, since i do not own a macbook myself, i can not judge. |
| 12:06.44 | nachos | thanks dutchfish |
| 12:06.45 | dutchfish | nachos, if, only if you have the expertise to pull it off, wheezy ight be a candidate for that .... |
| 12:06.47 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 12:07.05 | nachos | i used to run debian ages ago, it was rad |
| 12:07.12 | nachos | back in the 2.2.x kernel days |
| 12:07.51 | dutchfish | nachos, well then, things got a bit easier, but reading the manuals carefully is not a bad thing. |
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| 12:08.21 | namoamitabuddha | Why is libc6 so old in Debian? |
| 12:08.32 | namoamitabuddha | In sid, it's 2.6.13, very obsolete. |
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| 12:10.56 | namoamitabuddha | Is there any serious problem? |
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| 12:17.22 | dutchfish | namoamitabuddha, it was released sept 2011, i don't think that newer versions are a good idee when we look at debian's release cycle. But please do report any problems you find. |
| 12:18.07 | dutchfish | namoamitabuddha, also take a look at the BTS |
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| 12:18.33 | namoamitabuddha | dutchfish: I don't think it helps. |
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| 12:18.46 | namoamitabuddha | dutchfish: Wait a moment, and I'll show you a URI. |
| 12:19.51 | themill | namoamitabuddha: libc6 in sid is 2.13 not 2.6 |
| 12:20.27 | namoamitabuddha | themill: 13 is too old. |
| 12:20.35 | themill | it's much better than 14... |
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| 12:21.16 | dutchfish | namoamitabuddha, here is a link of th ebug fixes, note: some of them have be ported to 2.13.34..35 see the changelog on the BTS |
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| 12:21.27 | dutchfish | namoamitabuddha, http://www.eglibc.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/branches/eglibc-2_13/libc/NEWS?view=markup |
| 12:21.28 | namoamitabuddha | dutchfish: For example |
| 12:21.31 | namoamitabuddha | dutchfish: http://repo.or.cz/w/glibc.git/commit/16985fd0c79ccffc105d77c9076ab0a4bb0e5714 |
| 12:21.34 | namoamitabuddha | dutchfish: this patch |
| 12:21.50 | namoamitabuddha | dutchfish: And the latest one |
| 12:21.52 | namoamitabuddha | dutchfish: http://repo.or.cz/w/glibc.git/commit/652ffab11358f8961770792cbbecbaec42c69479 |
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| 12:22.53 | themill | namoamitabuddha: these aren't important things to have in debian. The important thing is to have a stable libc6 on which a release can be built. There is no way that libc6 is going to change in debian in the next 6 or so months |
| 12:23.19 | namoamitabuddha | themill: I know, because it's FROZEN. |
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| 12:24.10 | themill | and there's no problem with this... if you have specific patches from newer libc6 that you think are really really important to have in wheezy, then send them to the bts. Otherwise, go fix some release critical bugs |
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| 12:43.37 | nachos | i got the feeling this isnt true EFI |
| 12:43.48 | nachos | debian installer wont auto create me a efi partition |
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| 12:52.44 | PachecoJ1 | what is the *right* way to install a package newer than one in the repo? In particular I want to install unison2.32 but squeeze has unison2.27 in the repo |
| 12:52.56 | PachecoJ1 | I could just find a .deb and install it, but I'm not sure that's the ideal thing to do |
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| 12:53.06 | zelrik | hi |
| 12:53.22 | zelrik | why is the deb package installer asking for the root password |
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| 12:53.56 | PachecoJ1 | zelrik: generally you need to have root privelages to install packages |
| 12:53.58 | metaphysician | zelrik: probably to install package? |
| 12:54.04 | zelrik | no |
| 12:54.05 | zelrik | why root |
| 12:54.12 | themill | PachecoJ1: take a look at the unison package in squeeze |
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| 12:54.19 | zelrik | why not sudo |
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| 12:54.33 | themill | zelrik: did you install and configure sudo and gksudo? |
| 12:55.27 | PachecoJ1 | themill: as I stated in my question, the version in squeeze is 2.27 |
| 12:55.28 | zelrik | I have sudo |
| 12:55.31 | PachecoJ1 | I need to install 2.32 |
| 12:55.33 | zelrik | not sure about gksudo |
| 12:55.46 | themill | PachecoJ1: it is not... that's why I said you should look at the unison package |
| 12:55.54 | themill | ,v unison --release squeeze |
| 12:55.55 | judd | Package: unison on i386 -- squeeze: 2.32.52-1 |
| 12:56.00 | themill | PachecoJ1: ^^ |
| 12:56.05 | PachecoJ1 | ah |
| 12:56.10 | zelrik | is there a package called gksudo |
| 12:56.11 | PachecoJ1 | my mistake |
| 12:56.16 | PachecoJ1 | sweet, that solves my problem |
| 12:56.28 | PachecoJ1 | hypothetically, though, if I needed a diff. version, how would I do it? |
| 12:56.39 | zelrik | ,v gksudo --release wheezy |
| 12:56.40 | judd | No package named 'gksudo' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 12:56.46 | themill | PachecoJ1: you'd try to make a backport if one doesn't already exist. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 12:57.07 | themill | zelrik: gksu |
| 12:57.26 | zelrik | ok I already have that one |
| 12:57.31 | zelrik | are they misconfigured |
| 12:57.37 | PachecoJ1 | ah |
| 12:57.41 | PachecoJ1 | thanks |
| 12:58.01 | themill | zelrik: you've not configured gksu to use gksudo yet, I guess |
| 12:58.05 | themill | dpkg: tell zelrik about gksu |
| 12:59.35 | zelrik | ok configuring it works |
| 12:59.37 | zelrik | thanks |
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| 13:05.21 | sneex | 64 bits is good for sumtin |
| 13:05.41 | Skeeter- | are you talking bo me? |
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| 13:05.56 | jelly-home | Skeeter-: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.ext4/19565 |
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| 13:06.26 | jelly-home | does that mean you'll have to recreate the filesystem? Maybe, dunno\ |
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| 13:07.46 | Skeeter- | jelly-home: i tried that |
| 13:07.52 | Skeeter- | do i need reboot? |
| 13:08.13 | jelly-home | tried what, exactly? |
| 13:08.39 | Skeeter- | add the line, then run resize2fs |
| 13:08.41 | jelly-home | Just adding the config line? Using mke2fs -O 64bit ...? |
| 13:08.46 | Skeeter- | no no no |
| 13:08.55 | Skeeter- | resize, i dont want ot lose 16tb |
| 13:09.13 | jelly-home | well, how is resize2fs going to change already present structures on the fs? |
| 13:09.27 | Skeeter- | i dont know |
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| 13:09.40 | jelly-home | me neither. |
| 13:09.41 | Skeeter- | i remember it was not even suppose to support 16tb and i made it work |
| 13:10.01 | sneex | good fix it more |
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| 13:11.38 | Skeeter- | sad the e3progs on squeeze is so old |
| 13:12.23 | jelly-home | squeeze had been frozen at the time the changes you want happened |
| 13:12.49 | Skeeter- | I guess i need to upgrade to weezy |
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| 13:13.01 | jelly-home | e2fsprogs are not too hard to build and backport, even with their library splitup |
| 13:13.03 | TomyLobo | does squeeze have syn cookies? (by default?) |
| 13:13.10 | jelly-home | TomyLobo: yes. no. |
| 13:13.25 | TomyLobo | thanks |
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| 13:13.44 | jelly-home | that kernel feature is very, very old, maybe a decade, maybe more |
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| 13:16.19 | Skeeter- | so basicly, im fked? |
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| 13:18.06 | jelly-home | Skeeter-: best ask on the ext3-users mailing list |
| 13:18.26 | Skeeter- | its ext4 |
| 13:18.28 | jelly-home | my gut feeling is you're going to need to recreate the filesystem |
| 13:18.41 | jelly-home | Skeeter-: and yet the list is called ext3-users. |
| 13:18.50 | Skeeter- | kk |
| 13:20.14 | nachos | grub is not making a EFI image |
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| 13:21.34 | namoamitabuddha | What's critical difference in code between firefox and iceweasel? |
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| 13:22.30 | sneex | older ff release |
| 13:22.36 | namoamitabuddha | No |
| 13:22.44 | namoamitabuddha | http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 13:22.58 | sneex | ff at 14 |
| 13:23.21 | sneex | iw says 3.6 so |
| 13:23.28 | namoamitabuddha | No |
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| 13:23.46 | namoamitabuddha | You can fetch newer from backports |
| 13:23.49 | sneex | iw sooprt html5? |
| 13:23.58 | sneex | support* |
| 13:24.46 | namoamitabuddha | in debian-backports, it's 10 |
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| 13:25.24 | namoamitabuddha | in mozilla.debian.net, it's 14 |
| 13:25.26 | namoamitabuddha | http://mozilla.debian.net/pool/iceweasel-release/i/iceweasel/ |
| 13:25.47 | namoamitabuddha | 15 beta 3 is available |
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| 13:25.53 | yeats | namoamitabuddha: what's your actual question? |
| 13:26.18 | namoamitabuddha | yeats: I know that the iceweasel use a different logo. |
| 13:26.48 | namoamitabuddha | yeats: I heard that Iceweasel differed the code from Firefox, but I don't know where. |
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| 13:29.12 | yeats | namoamitabuddha: see here: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/iceweasel - the files with "orig" in the file name are original, the file(s) with "debian" in the file name should show the changes |
| 13:30.19 | jelly-home | namoamitabuddha: there are no "critical" differences really |
| 13:30.50 | nachos | woot i can get it to boot |
| 13:31.00 | nandersson | Hi, I am developing a software and I would like the user to set some variables during install time that I put in my .conf-file. (I.e during the dpkg -i phase) Where can I find more information on doing that? Later I am going to automate this in preseed, but I guess I have to start somewhere. What can I google for? |
| 13:31.08 | namoamitabuddha | jelly-home: wait a moment. somebody said that they used different libs, therefore I'll verify. |
| 13:31.09 | nachos | problem, i have a error saying 'unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0)" |
| 13:31.16 | nachos | kernel panics |
| 13:31.50 | namoamitabuddha | nachos: wrong root fs configuration. |
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| 13:32.10 | namoamitabuddha | nachos: Are you compling the custom kernel? |
| 13:32.21 | yeats | nandersson: search for "debconf" (if I'm understanding your question correctly) |
| 13:32.25 | themill | nandersson: debian packages use debconf for this interaction (and preseeding is just feeding answers to debconf beforehand). debconf(7) and debconf-devel(7) cover this |
| 13:32.35 | nachos | no no custom kernel |
| 13:33.20 | namoamitabuddha | Please show your /boot/grub/grub.cfg and /etc/fstab |
| 13:33.33 | nandersson | yeats, themill Thanks a lot! You got it right. I'll start with debconf and then feed with preseed. Thanks again! |
| 13:34.41 | namoamitabuddha | yeats: seems a lot of files in debian/patches/ |
| 13:34.55 | jelly-home | namoamitabuddha: it's the same software, just split up a bit |
| 13:35.22 | yeats | namoamitabuddha: I have no idea what differences there are - if there's an issue you're having related to the differences in code, someone might be able to help |
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| 13:35.45 | jelly-home | namoamitabuddha: that way eg. the same "xulrunner" packages can be used for multiple apps, like iceweasel and icedove and icewhatever |
| 13:36.00 | namoamitabuddha | jelly-home: what about gecko? |
| 13:36.08 | nachos | i have my root on a LVM |
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| 13:36.47 | namoamitabuddha | nachos: Sorry, I have no idea on LVM. Ask for others. |
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| 13:38.39 | nachos | could i be using the wrong initramfs |
| 13:39.15 | namoamitabuddha | It could lead to a kernel panic, but I do not know whether yours is wrong. |
| 13:39.26 | namoamitabuddha | jelly-home: But different libjpeg |
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| 13:39.31 | namoamitabuddha | jelly-home: Now I got it. |
| 13:39.50 | namoamitabuddha | Ignore-system-libjpeg-libpng-and-zlib-version-checki.patch |
| 13:39.50 | jelly-home | namoamitabuddha: yeah, debian tries hard to ship a single version of each lbirary |
| 13:40.20 | namoamitabuddha | jelly-home: But somebody told me that libjpeg or libpng in Debian is ubly. |
| 13:40.23 | nachos | what's the name of the kernel package |
| 13:40.25 | namoamitabuddha | *ugly |
| 13:40.31 | namoamitabuddha | nachos: linux-image-* |
| 13:40.33 | nachos | im going to try generate another initramfs |
| 13:40.38 | jelly-home | namoamitabuddha: define ugly? |
| 13:41.07 | namoamitabuddha | jelly-home: the code |
| 13:41.21 | namoamitabuddha | jelly-home: I don't know the real disadvantage because I'm not developer. |
| 13:41.25 | jelly-home | namoamitabuddha: apparently xulrunner embeds gecko? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3769880/xulrunner-and-gecko-relationship |
| 13:41.49 | namoamitabuddha | jelly-home: Not gecko |
| 13:41.52 | namoamitabuddha | jelly-home: libjpeg |
| 13:42.35 | namoamitabuddha | jelly-home: I heard that it is with low performance. |
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| 13:42.49 | jelly-home | that certainly might be possible |
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| 13:43.10 | jelly-home | namoamitabuddha: best you benchmark it, then |
| 13:43.14 | nachos | how can i make sure my initramfs has LVM |
| 13:44.10 | bill_ | how to link needed -- ati graphics on whezzy |
| 13:44.21 | namoamitabuddha | jelly-home: You mentioned xulrunner. |
| 13:44.27 | namoamitabuddha | jelly-home: Yeah, it's one more difference. |
| 13:44.29 | jelly-home | nachos: which debian release? |
| 13:44.35 | nachos | squeeze |
| 13:44.36 | namoamitabuddha | jelly-home: Firefox embeds xulrunner |
| 13:44.53 | namoamitabuddha | jelly-home: but debian obtains it in the system |
| 13:45.03 | namoamitabuddha | jelly-home: s/obtain/provides |
| 13:45.06 | namoamitabuddha | jelly-home: s/obtain/provide |
| 13:45.10 | jelly-home | namoamitabuddha: it's just split out. The package versions match exactly. |
| 13:45.44 | namoamitabuddha | jelly-home: Well, I'll check not only the version but also the patches |
| 13:45.55 | jelly-home | ii iceweasel 14.0.1-2 Web browser based on Firefox |
| 13:45.57 | jelly-home | ii xulrunner-14.0 14.0.1-2 XUL + XPCOM application runner |
| 13:46.06 | jelly-home | namoamitabuddha: I bet they're built from the same source. |
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| 13:46.41 | nachos | all i want is for initramfs to have lvm so this thing will boot |
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| 13:46.59 | namoamitabuddha | jelly-home: You can download the debian.tar.gz to check. I have downloaded and now intend to check. |
| 13:47.10 | jelly-home | namoamitabuddha: I don't care really. |
| 13:47.48 | namoamitabuddha | jelly-home: Now I find that debian has done a lot of hacks in that package. |
| 13:48.01 | jelly-home | nachos: an easy workaround can be to use this syntax for root device: root=/dev/mapper/vgname-lvname |
| 13:48.39 | nachos | ty |
| 13:48.47 | nachos | but i dont know if LVM is loaded in initramfs |
| 13:48.49 | jelly-home | nachos: the lvm code in initramfs forces bringing up volume groups if it detects root=/dev/mapper/*-* |
| 13:48.54 | nachos | oh |
| 13:48.58 | nachos | well, this is strange |
| 13:49.10 | jelly-home | nachos: it ought to be, if you updated your initramfs after installing lvm2 package |
| 13:49.11 | nachos | but my volume groups ended up with the name giggles--deb-PARTITION |
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| 13:49.24 | jelly-home | nachos: that's all right |
| 13:49.52 | nachos | ty |
| 13:49.53 | nachos | brb |
| 13:50.37 | nachos | nup, kernel panic |
| 13:51.08 | namoamitabuddha | nachos: LVM is better? |
| 13:51.12 | jelly-home | namoamitabuddha: debian often does some really ugly stuff when upstream source has lots of embedded copies of libraries |
| 13:51.15 | nachos | no |
| 13:51.27 | nachos | all these scripts are confusing |
| 13:51.35 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell nachos about debug initramfs |
| 13:51.53 | namoamitabuddha | Whole, the AI of dpkg seems good. |
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| 13:52.04 | nachos | i have no idea, it says 'kernel panic - not synching VFS unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0) |
| 13:52.30 | nachos | i cant debug initramfs because the console terminal is ass |
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| 13:52.37 | nachos | sorry |
| 13:52.42 | namoamitabuddha | jelly-home: maybe |
| 13:52.56 | nachos | its as if this kernel doesnt find my partitions |
| 13:53.17 | nachos | this is whack |
| 13:54.40 | nachos | i got no idea |
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| 13:55.01 | nachos | it doesnt find any partitions |
| 13:55.10 | nachos | 'list of known partitions: ... ' ( nothing there ) |
| 13:55.32 | y_nk | hello, i'm in trouble with some kind of networking and i think it may be related to the debian my device is running |
| 13:55.49 | jelly-home | nachos: did you read what dpkg told you about debugging initramfs issues? |
| 13:55.53 | y_nk | does anyone have skills in network to figure this out ? |
| 13:55.56 | jelly-home | oh. |
| 13:56.03 | jelly-home | nachos: get a better console |
| 13:56.10 | namoamitabuddha | nachos: By the way, is there any benefits to use lvm? |
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| 13:56.31 | jelly-home | namoamitabuddha: yes. |
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| 13:57.07 | namoamitabuddha | jelly-home: I do not know. |
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| 13:57.30 | _DomY-Dom | Hi, I have a Debian server that I run with a friend. A series of users without homes have been created lately. I would like to see the list of users; what is the command ? |
| 13:58.14 | nachos | namoamitabuddha: seperate partitions, and i can choose later on to add space remove space |
| 13:58.33 | themill | _DomY-Dom: getent passwd |
| 13:59.36 | _DomY-Dom | themill: thanks :) |
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| 14:02.41 | LordShiva | Hi I see you are speaking of firefox and iceweasel ... I have a problem with iceweasel 15 and firefox 15 beta |
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| 14:02.55 | LordShiva | Problem is that it doesnt recognise session manager plugin |
| 14:03.39 | LordShiva | and doesnt recognize its own internal recover session when I turn off the session manager plugin |
| 14:04.03 | nachos | sorry guys i think ill go gentoo for the time being |
| 14:04.05 | nachos | thanks for the help |
| 14:04.09 | LordShiva | Every ff version higher than 14 I mean 15 and higher fails on my machine |
| 14:04.12 | nachos | ill setup another debian box sometime :) |
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| 14:04.22 | LordShiva | I run amd 64 versions |
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| 14:04.33 | _DomY-Dom | themill: what about to list groups ? |
| 14:05.41 | themill | _DomY-Dom: I'll let you take a wild guess first ;) |
| 14:06.35 | _DomY-Dom | themill: getent group... right ok. So getent is the thing to list stuff. |
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| 14:07.22 | themill | _DomY-Dom: "getent" command line is a wrapper over the C functions of the same name that are the canonical ways of getting information about users, groups, hostnames (IP addresses) etc |
| 14:07.39 | _DomY-Dom | themill: Great, thanks a lot for that. Cheers. |
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| 14:20.17 | krababbel | When copying to an external usb card reader, and I unmount, does it continue to write until it is finished and then unmount? |
| 14:20.46 | krababbel | or do I need to sync? |
| 14:21.25 | krababbel | looks like it does, took a long time :) |
| 14:22.44 | format_c | right |
| 14:23.04 | format_c | mounting with the sync option directly copies |
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| 14:33.14 | Skeeter- | fml, i cant backup 16tb |
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| 14:35.24 | jordanm | you only need 11 LTO5 tapes |
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| 14:38.32 | krababbel | format_c: that's good too, thanks |
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| 14:44.11 | krababbel | How come it didn't copy what I wanted (without sync option)? I unmounted, waited for it to finish, and on remount the files seem to have ended up in LOST.DIR |
| 14:45.48 | carandraug | hi! I was trying to create a debian startup disk but used my external HD instead. Only the first 208 MB of the HD were removed, the rest shows up as free space. But the data is still there, rhythmbox could still play the songs I had there. How can I recover from this? I have pretty much all of my PhD there |
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| 14:46.44 | nvz | carandraug: gpart might do the trick |
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| 14:47.17 | carandraug | nvz, I have used it before. WHat should I do with it? |
| 14:47.37 | nvz | carandraug: you realize gpart != gparted right? |
| 14:47.39 | carandraug | nvz, oh! gpart? I thought you were saying gparted |
| 14:47.54 | carandraug | nvz, I see now that I was searching on the repositories |
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| 14:48.07 | carandraug | nvz, will read the docs. Thanks |
| 14:48.11 | nvz | carandraug: gpart will scan the disk looking for what seem to be partition boundaries then it will if told to do so, write the partition table it guessed |
| 14:48.25 | nvz | carandraug: gpart -W /dev/sda1 /dev/sda1 for example |
| 14:48.55 | carandraug | nvz, ok. It a simple 320GB hard drive formatted with ext4 from one side to the other |
| 14:49.42 | nvz | carandraug: well obviously if you dont see your data anymore the partition table is not agreeing with you |
| 14:50.17 | nvz | carandraug: it'll ask you to confirm before it writes, and show you what it found |
| 14:50.59 | ksuhku | could be worth making a bit by bit image before editing |
| 14:51.25 | nvz | gpart will only touch the partition table |
| 14:51.30 | ksuhku | right |
| 14:52.03 | ksuhku | so worst case is back to square 1 |
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| 14:53.31 | nvz | I'm more worried about the fact that he likely wrote a filesystem over his filesystem |
| 14:53.52 | nvz | but if gpart makes the whole partition visible again, an fsck might mostly fix that |
| 14:54.06 | carandraug | nvz, ksuhku thanks guys. I'm reading the man page very carefully to make sure I don't mess up at all using it |
| 14:54.42 | carandraug | my last 3.5 years are there :( |
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| 14:55.17 | carandraug | nvz, yes, I did. But seems it only took the first 260MB of the hard drive. The rest shows up as free space |
| 14:55.24 | nvz | carandraug: it never hurts to read the manpage, but gpart is a fairly unobtrusive utility, only with the -W param does it write anything, and only after its guessed a partition table and shows you what it's found. I've had good luck with it many times in the past with similar goof ups |
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| 14:56.13 | nvz | carandraug: well I'm thinking gpart would be able to see that there is what looks to be a partition with data on it under that, and could restore the old partition table allowing you to attempt fsck or recovery on the old fs |
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| 14:57.00 | valerie_ | I just installed Linux and wanted to play some DVDs on VLC or movie player, but get a message 'Could not read DVD. This may be because the DVD is encrypted and a DVD decryption library is not installed.' I tried to install livdvdcss or css2 through text interface, but got 0 packages available. |
| 14:57.06 | nvz | carandraug: wouldn't hurt to know what method you used to do this injustice to your drive though |
| 14:57.12 | nvz | heh |
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| 14:57.36 | carandraug | nvz, dd :( |
| 14:57.45 | nvz | valerie_: you will need to enable non-free in your source |
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| 14:57.58 | carandraug | I was distracted, wanted to dd to dev/sdd but entered /dev/sdc instead |
| 14:58.00 | nvz | carandraug: ah well then you certainly didn't make a new partition table meaning gpart will only see the old one |
| 14:58.16 | nvz | carandraug: thats actually likely to help you in this case that you didnt partition |
| 14:58.19 | valerie_ | nvz, I did enable contrib and non-free |
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| 14:58.33 | nvz | valerie_: did you apt-get update afterwards? |
| 14:59.01 | valerie_ | nvz, yes |
| 15:00.05 | nvz | valerie_: libdvdread4 is in squeeze, for libdvdcss2 you'd need a d-m source.. but libdvdread4 should do the trick |
| 15:00.26 | nvz | valerie_: if not, /msg dpkg d-m |
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| 15:04.24 | wkhan113 | Hi. How do I unload kernel modules which are not being used? |
| 15:05.10 | valerie_ | nvz, I don't quite understand the command /msg dpkg d-m , do I just type it in terminal? |
| 15:05.19 | nkuttler | wkhan113: man modprobe |
| 15:05.28 | nvz | valerie_: its an irc command to message the info bot dpkg in this channel |
| 15:05.40 | nvz | valerie_: libdvdread4 should do what you need though |
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| 15:05.57 | drigollier | hi all |
| 15:06.16 | nvz | valerie_: its recommended that you try that as its an official package, use the libdvdcss2 as a last resort from debian-multimedia |
| 15:06.18 | wkhan113 | But how do I know which modules are being used? |
| 15:06.20 | valerie_ | nvz, I do have livdvdread4 installed |
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| 15:06.47 | nkuttler | wkhan113: lsmod.. why do you even worry about this? |
| 15:07.04 | nvz | valerie_: is your vlc the official squeeze package? |
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| 15:07.56 | valerie_ | nvz, I installed wheezy, and then VLC through Synaptic package manager |
| 15:08.01 | nkuttler | is dvdcss even in debian? i thought dmm? |
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| 15:08.11 | nvz | yes its on dmm |
| 15:08.19 | wkhan113 | My Ethernet card is not working. The correct module is atl1c but there are several modules loaded with similar names. Like atll1e. Surely two modules with the same purpose cannot run together |
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| 15:08.41 | nvz | I never owned or used a DVD so I'm no expert on the matter of playing dvds |
| 15:09.19 | nkuttler | i bought one encrypted dvd and it forced me to watch subtitles while watching the original language... was my last |
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| 15:10.02 | nkuttler | wkhan113: you want to look at /var/log/messages |
| 15:10.12 | nvz | wkhan113: sometimes that does in fact happen, and one is typically to be blacklisted, but there is also the case where more than one module is needed.. there are things like generic media interface drivers, and such mii, mac80211..etc which are used in addition to the main hardware driver |
| 15:10.39 | nkuttler | wkhan113: btw, which kernel? atl1c only works nicely on recent ones |
| 15:11.25 | wkhan113 | Its the 2.6 kernel. How do I know which modules are actually in use and which ones are just loaded. |
| 15:11.43 | nkuttler | wkhan113: what kind of computer are you using? |
| 15:11.53 | nkuttler | wkhan113: the log file |
| 15:13.03 | carandraug | nvz, how long does it gpart usually takes? It hasn't moved from "Begin scan..." |
| 15:13.29 | wkhan113 | It's a gigabyte motherboard with atheros 1083 Ethernet card. The messages file makes no sence to me. Shall I paste it in pastebin |
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| 15:13.46 | nkuttler | wkhan113: yes |
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| 15:13.57 | wkhan113 | 2 minutes |
| 15:14.29 | nvz | carandraug: depends on how big the drive is.. its literally going to scan the entire thing looking for partition boundaries.. and since you used dd the beginning of the partition is likely hosed.. so I'm hoping it'll be smart enough to see there is an end of a partition and assume it begins at the beginning of the disk |
| 15:14.47 | nkuttler | wkhan113: also /msg dpkg atheros, afaik you'll need additional firmware |
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| 15:15.26 | carandraug | nvz, it's a 320GB HD and I'm running on an old netbook, not the fastest thing on earth at all |
| 15:15.51 | carandraug | nvz, better go for a run, staying here looking at the terminal waiting will just freak me out |
| 15:16.01 | carandraug | nvz, thank you very much for you help |
| 15:16.06 | nvz | carandraug: I'm just thinking that since ext filesystems store inodes across the filesystem that if your partition table is corrected that fsck might be able to fix this and at least get the data back that was not overwritten |
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| 15:17.05 | nvz | carandraug: I'd say you need to learn to do backups or have your dd privlages revoked.. heh |
| 15:17.24 | carandraug | nvz, I don't understand what you mean by using fsck |
| 15:17.26 | wkhan113 | Pastebin.com/m5G5P2dM |
| 15:17.45 | nvz | carandraug: after the parition table is corrected you'd want to run fsck on the filesystem |
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| 15:17.56 | nvz | carandraug: as you've done considerable damage to it |
| 15:18.08 | carandraug | nvz, I know how to use it. I was just in a hurry to go for lunch, and forgot to double check it. Done it many times before, guess I just got too confident |
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| 15:18.29 | mrksprvn | Hi, I'm installing Debian from a USB drivem but it asks me for a CD driver during install. What do? |
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| 15:18.54 | nvz | carandraug: hey, you don't have to splain it to me, I'm not the one who dd'd over the first 200mb of my disk :-P |
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| 15:20.10 | carandraug | nvz, yeah. I finally got a desktop, with 2 HD. Was creating the usb to install Debian on it, and the second HD was going for the backup. How ironic |
| 15:20.28 | nvz | idk why he told you /var/log/messages when /var/log/dmesg is easier to read on these pastebins cause it doesnt contain real-world-timestamps |
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| 15:22.21 | nvz | aside from that i'm seeing nothing about network drivers in this log |
| 15:22.23 | wkhan113 | nkuttler: http://Pastebin.com/m5G5P2dM |
| 15:22.43 | nvz | closest thing I can see is TCP subsystem and cfg80211 initializing |
| 15:23.07 | wkhan113 | When I do ifconfig. Eth0 does not even appear. |
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| 15:23.28 | nvz | wkhan113: what gave you the idea modules were loaded at all? |
| 15:23.31 | wkhan113 | There must be a way to see which modules are just loaded and not being used |
| 15:23.40 | wkhan113 | lsmod |
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| 15:24.02 | nvz | wkhan113: as far as the kernel is concerned use means another driver is using it.. doesnt mean it is or is not using hardware |
| 15:24.16 | nvz | wkhan113: i.e. my network driver is not in use, yet my ethernet works |
| 15:24.27 | nvz | if a driver doesnt claim hardware it doesnt load |
| 15:25.01 | wkhan113 | So how to I make the module use my Ethernet card? |
| 15:25.19 | nvz | you can't it either has an alias for that hardwares ids or it doesnt |
| 15:25.21 | pparadis | wkhan113: please pastebin the output of "lspci -nn" |
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| 15:25.53 | pparadis | wkhan113: if a piece of hardware works, some driver is in use for it. |
| 15:26.33 | pparadis | wkhan113: also, what problem are you trying to solve here? |
| 15:26.37 | nvz | this is what I meant to say (don't think I did) earlier.. why come in assuming you know the answer for your question than just tell us what the hardware is so we can tell you how to do it |
| 15:26.48 | pparadis | nvz: indeed |
| 15:27.41 | nvz | the whole "in use" thing is just improper use of terminology |
| 15:27.56 | wkhan113 | 1 minute |
| 15:27.58 | nvz | in use means the module is in use by another module, what you're asking is about the driver CLAIMING the hardware |
| 15:28.08 | nvz | all of which is rather irrelevant to the issue at hand |
| 15:29.25 | pparadis | looking through scrollback, it appears that wkhan113 (1) has an operational network connection, but (2) doesn't see eth0 in ifconfig output. is that an accurate statement? |
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| 15:29.50 | cardamon | wkhan113: Do the lspci -nn thing pparadis told you. In fact, lspci -nn | grep [Nn]etwork and paste the line. Specifically we're looking for the stuff in the brackets. |
| 15:29.58 | nvz | pparadis: also mentioned he sees two different atheros ethernet modules in lsmod |
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| 15:30.18 | nvz | pparadis: though I missed where he may have indicated its actually working |
| 15:30.31 | cardamon | He probably did that himself, and some modules have child modules. |
| 15:30.43 | cardamon | er...that's a horrible way to put that... |
| 15:30.49 | pparadis | nvz: although he really still hasn't told us what problem he's trying solve (at least i can't discern it), the "issue" may be that he needs to blacklist one or more modules, as there are sometimes conflicts. |
| 15:30.50 | wkhan113 | ill paste the output of lspci -nn. I don't have internet connection on that so I have to use USB |
| 15:30.51 | nvz | carandraug: grep -i btw |
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| 15:31.01 | nvz | cardamon: grep -i rather ;) |
| 15:31.04 | nkuttler | wkhan113: you said the atl1c module is loaded? as in appears in lsmod? |
| 15:31.10 | nkuttler | doesn't see it in the log |
| 15:31.12 | cardamon | nvz: egrep even. |
| 15:31.27 | nvz | cardamon: no need to specify case when it could be any manner of capitalized and -i will ignore case |
| 15:31.32 | pparadis | this is what confused me earlier: 11:24 < nvz> wkhan113: i.e. my network driver is not in use, yet my ethernet works |
| 15:32.01 | nkuttler | hrm |
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| 15:32.08 | nvz | pparadis: yes my ethernet driver is not in use by any other modules.. in use doesn't mean what people are using it as |
| 15:32.16 | nvz | claimed and in use are two totally different things |
| 15:32.21 | pparadis | nvz: nod, i get the mixup now :) |
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| 15:32.30 | cardamon | wkhan113: If you'd go ahead and do it the way I told you to, you won't have to muck with a USB. You can just type it. It's one line and at most 11 characters of that line that we care about. |
| 15:32.33 | nvz | in use is a kernel term..can't just freely use it to mean other things |
| 15:32.42 | cardamon | And yes, grep -i. |
| 15:33.08 | pparadis | cardamon: well, it may be more than one line, depending on what hardware he actually has, but sure it's likely to be one line ;) |
| 15:33.13 | pparadis | at the most a couple. |
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| 15:34.00 | cardamon | He'd have to have more than one nic. Some might have two, in the case of wireless PCI card and a onboard ethernet nic. I'm actually one of those people. |
| 15:34.11 | wkhan113 | Pastebin.com/KPPzy4yH |
| 15:34.31 | pparadis | wkhan113: in the future, please use http://paste.debian.net (no ads, etc) |
| 15:34.49 | wkhan113 | ok. |
| 15:35.19 | wkhan113 | I have one Ethernet card. It does not work. That's the issue. I think modules are conflicting |
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| 15:35.32 | cardamon | ,,pciid [1969:1083] |
| 15:35.45 | cardamon | ...I never remember the syntax on that. |
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| 15:36.01 | nvz | ,pciid 1969:1083 |
| 15:36.02 | cardamon | And I have to run to the post office. Someone else mind? |
| 15:36.02 | judd | [1969:1083] is 'AR8151 v2.0 Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'atl1c' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:1083 |
| 15:36.11 | cardamon | Thankyou, nvx. |
| 15:36.14 | cardamon | er nvz. |
| 15:36.19 | wkhan113 | Lspci also does not show module in use for the Ethernet card |
| 15:36.20 | nkuttler | oh right, not in stable.. |
| 15:36.22 | nvz | wkhan113: you'll need a backported kernel |
| 15:36.47 | nvz | !bpo kernel |
| 15:36.48 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to add backports to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` |
| 15:37.04 | pparadis | yeah buddy, get some backportage goin' on |
| 15:37.24 | wkhan113 | Damn I was hoping its not installing a new kernel. |
| 15:37.32 | pparadis | wkhan113: http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 15:37.36 | pparadis | it's really not a big deal. |
| 15:38.03 | nkuttler | go for >= 3.1 |
| 15:38.08 | wkhan113 | I obviously cannot use apt so I have to manually download the packages and install using dpkg -I? |
| 15:38.22 | pparadis | wkhan113: does that thing have a USB port on it? |
| 15:38.24 | nvz | wkhan113: lowercase -i |
| 15:38.36 | wkhan113 | Yes it does |
| 15:38.48 | xshad | hello everyone; is it possible to disable network hardware detection right at the installer? I'm trying to install wheezy but it gets frozen detecting my network cards |
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| 15:38.54 | wkhan113 | Which packages will I need? |
| 15:38.57 | nvz | wkhan113: uppercase -I just shows package info, -i installs |
| 15:38.57 | pparadis | haha, of course it does, you talked about a thumbdrive earlier and that's where the lspci paste came from. |
| 15:38.59 | graham1 | hi |
| 15:39.02 | cardamon | For the record, a lot of recent network devices have issues with squeeze's kernel. Of that "Using Wheezy's or Sid's just makes all your problem go away" variety. In particular, I have a wifi nic in a netbook 2 years older than Squeeze that while it worked would not respond to WEAP networks. |
| 15:39.09 | graham1 | http://whattheserver.me/billing/knowledgebase.php?action=displayarticle&id=38 im trying to follow this guide. but "sudo sh autodl-setup" isn't working? |
| 15:39.16 | nvz | wkhan113: technically you may need more than one package |
| 15:39.17 | brontosaurusrex | when compiling and the app is expecting older libs of things, what is the way to solve that? |
| 15:39.19 | nkuttler | xshad: i think you can skip it in expert mode |
| 15:39.22 | graham1 | it says it should work with all ubuntu and ubuntu clones (debian?) |
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| 15:39.41 | nvz | wkhan113: what does uname -r say? |
| 15:39.43 | brontosaurusrex | graham1, debian is not ubuntu clone |
| 15:39.48 | xshad | nkuttler, ty :) gotta give it a try |
| 15:39.52 | webad_13 | ok, once again I cannot remembeer what sort of configurations I make -- looking at http://pastebin.com/5VJbVRRQ, my ssh_config should allow password auth. But it doesn't, where else can I set this ssh -v shows pubkey as the only method allowed |
| 15:39.56 | nkuttler | wkhan113: if you have access to another debian box apt-offline could help |
| 15:40.00 | pparadis | wkhan113: you have a couple of choices. you can either download the packages you need on another system, or you could use a cheap USB NIC that is supported to get the machine online and then revert to the atheros device. |
| 15:40.04 | cardamon | And my own wireless nic requires use of the old staging driver for my wireless pci device. |
| 15:40.06 | Nach0z | LOL graham1 .... ubuntu is a DEBIAN derivative, not the other way around |
| 15:40.15 | wkhan113 | Uname -r says 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 15:40.19 | cardamon | Nach0z: It's not that funny. |
| 15:40.27 | Nach0z | it's fairly funny to me |
| 15:40.35 | cardamon | wkhan113: Quit capitalizing things. You'll get yourself in trouble. |
| 15:40.41 | pparadis | nkuttler: indeed, i think the easiest route would be to use another debian box and apt-offline |
| 15:41.03 | pparadis | wkhan113: you can just install debian in a VM on another computer and get the packages that way. |
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| 15:41.10 | cardamon | We're very sensentive about our case around here. |
| 15:41.13 | wkhan113 | My phone does it automatically. I don't mean to do it. I know its uname |
| 15:41.21 | nvz | wkhan113: linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae |
| 15:41.34 | pparadis | !tell graham1 about based on debian |
| 15:41.43 | cardamon | Woo! pae! |
| 15:41.51 | nvz | anyone know for certain if installing a bpo kernel will need additional packages in squeeze? |
| 15:42.01 | nvz | I'm thinking it'll need a new init tools as well |
| 15:42.18 | pparadis | nvz: i can find out. |
| 15:42.25 | wkhan113 | I think ill need Linux base as well? |
| 15:42.32 | pparadis | sec |
| 15:42.51 | nvz | pparadis: just ref'd p.d.o it will in fact need backport of that as well |
| 15:43.01 | pparadis | wkhan113: you know, i could just grab the necessary debs for you. |
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| 15:43.11 | themill | nvz: it needs a linux-base and initramfs stuff yes |
| 15:43.18 | wkhan113 | Ppardis. That would be a great help |
| 15:43.27 | nvz | wkhan113: you'll need the initramfs-tools_0.99~bpo60+1_all.deb as well |
| 15:43.28 | pparadis | why the caps again? |
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| 15:43.42 | nkuttler | wkhan113: if this is a new system it might be faster to just reinstall with a kmuto image or something |
| 15:43.45 | nkuttler | pparadis: it's his phone |
| 15:43.48 | wkhan113 | Auto correct. I'm on my phone man |
| 15:43.57 | nvz | wkhan113: and linux-base_3.4~bpo60+1_all.deb |
| 15:44.03 | nkuttler | 'smart'phones.. |
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| 15:44.38 | nvz | wkhan113: and that should do the trick.. would need to install the other two packages before the kernel in any order |
| 15:44.41 | pparadis | wkhan113: do you have an iphone? |
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| 15:44.57 | wkhan113 | It's HTC android. |
| 15:45.09 | pparadis | never mind then, i have no idea how to turn off auto-caps. |
| 15:45.23 | wkhan113 | Same I tried to turn it off. Sorry |
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| 15:45.34 | wkhan113 | Nvs thanks |
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| 15:46.13 | pparadis | wkhan113: well, i just realized the debian VMs i have here are all 64-bit |
| 15:46.35 | nvz | would be cool if someone setup a server that does something similar to apt-get from the web and makes you a zipfile.. I know they have utilities for that if you have another debian system to do it from.. but thats rarely the case in here |
| 15:46.57 | pparadis | nvz: that's exactly what i was just thinking. |
| 15:47.10 | pparadis | nvz: i may in fact do that next week. it would be a neat little service. |
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| 15:48.38 | pparadis | nvz: i'll just use the "download only" flag and distribute the requests to a handful of VMs, where each VM's requests get serialized and returned back to the front end. |
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| 15:49.08 | pparadis | and of course it'll use caching. |
| 15:49.28 | nkkarthik | i am on squeeze and want to install smlnj which is only on wheezy, how do I do that? |
| 15:49.41 | nvz | pparadis: yeah def would want to use a caching proxy like apt-cacher |
| 15:49.47 | cardamon | nkkarthik: check if there's a backport. |
| 15:49.49 | wkhan113 | Good idea. I've downloaded the packages. Which shall I install.first |
| 15:49.54 | pparadis | nkuttler: check backports for it, and possibly backport it yourself if it doesn't already exist in backports. |
| 15:50.07 | pparadis | argh |
| 15:50.11 | nkkarthik | cardamon: no... smlnj is not in backports |
| 15:50.14 | pparadis | nkkarthik: see above ^^^ |
| 15:50.22 | pparadis | nkkarthik: you can backport it yourself. |
| 15:50.51 | pparadis | nkkarthik: or you can compile it from source, but i'd recommend creating a backported deb instead. |
| 15:50.53 | nkkarthik | pparadis: ok... some pointer on how to backport it? |
| 15:51.18 | pparadis | nkkarthik: http://wiki.debian.org/Backports |
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| 15:51.36 | wkhan113 | Pparadis: which package shall I install first |
| 15:51.39 | nkkarthik | pparadis: so I can't use wheezy deb?... I either have to backport or install from source, right? |
| 15:51.43 | pparadis | nkkarthik: specifically, you may want this from that last link --> http://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
| 15:51.53 | cardamon | Yup. They're just the same package compiled from source using older libs and crammed in a deb for the pupose of being used on Squeeze. |
| 15:52.04 | pparadis | wkhan113: once you have the packages you need, you install them at the same time. |
| 15:52.30 | cardamon | nkkarthik: Because the Wheezy deb will be looking for wheezy libs and other dependencies...which your squeeze box won't have. |
| 15:52.33 | pparadis | nkkarthik: correct. |
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| 15:53.24 | cardamon | Mama's got a squeeze box she wears on her chest and when daddy comes home he never gets no rest. |
| 15:54.02 | nvz | wkhan113: as I said earlier you can install the initramfs-tools and linux-base in any order as long as its before linux-image.. |
| 15:54.05 | pparadis | cardamon: it's true, daddy never sleeps at night. |
| 15:54.15 | sney | in and out and in and out all night long... somehow I never bought that song being about an accordion. /offtopc |
| 15:54.24 | nkkarthik | ok, I will check the simple backport creation... thank you cardamon, pparadis |
| 15:54.40 | pparadis | nvz: hence the "put the debs you need in a directory and do "dpkg -i *deb" :) |
| 15:54.51 | pparadis | and if it blows up, it will tell ya what ya need. |
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| 15:59.30 | protist | anyone know why chromium browser might not run facebook on my computer? |
| 16:00.08 | jelly-home | how does it fail |
| 16:00.40 | wkhan113 | Ok. I have installed the 3 packages. What's next? |
| 16:01.42 | wkhan113 | How do I remove the old kernel? |
| 16:02.05 | protist | jelly-home: it shows the blue bar part of facebook after i sign in but nothing functions and no newsfeed or sidebars are displayed |
| 16:02.12 | SiDz | aptitude purge ?obsolete |
| 16:02.13 | SiDz | wkhan113 |
| 16:02.21 | SiDz | if the kernel is not needed anymore it will remove it |
| 16:03.07 | jelly-home | protist: huh, which extensions do you have installed? (Tools -> Extensions) |
| 16:03.09 | SiDz | selinux maintainer need to tweak it |
| 16:03.15 | SiDz | lots of thing to fix |
| 16:03.23 | nvz | pparadis: well if you have it ignore depends it'll resolve itself leaving linux-image unconfigured then configure it when the others are installed |
| 16:03.57 | protist | jelly-home: apparently i have none |
| 16:04.10 | nvz | pparadis: but doing dpkg -i *.deb on those won't work it'll fail because it'll install linux-image before initramfs-tools |
| 16:04.48 | jelly-home | protist: good. Version of chromium-browser / chromium package? |
| 16:04.49 | wkhan113 | It said install initram first. Thanks nvs |
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| 16:05.22 | nvz | em no wait, that would probably work |
| 16:05.25 | protist | jelly-home: not sure...just apt-get installed it so latest i assume |
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| 16:05.42 | nvz | cause linux-base is before linux-image alphabetically too |
| 16:06.41 | wkhan113 | Nvs. Shall I remove the old kernel |
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| 16:07.19 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell protist about version |
| 16:07.21 | nvz | wkhan113: highly advise against that especially before you boot the new one and assure it works |
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| 16:07.47 | graham1 | can somebody help me with setting up rtorrent please. i followed the guide at : http://whattheserver.me/billing/knowledgebase.php?action=displayarticle&id=38 ... i can connect to the rutorrent webUI fine. but it says Torrent list not yet available, connection to rTorrent not established |
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| 16:08.12 | graham1 | in the webUI logger it says: No connection to rTorrent. Check if it is really running. Check $scgi_port and $scgi_host settings in config.php and scgi_port in rTorrent configuration file. |
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| 16:08.32 | graham1 | i have no idea where config.php or scgi_port in rtorrent config file is, or even how to get to it |
| 16:08.35 | wkhan113 | nvs: I have booted into the new kernel. The Ethernet card is working. Is there a way to configure the grub menu as it has too many enteries. |
| 16:08.51 | wonderworld | check if rtorrent is running first |
| 16:09.28 | graham1 | how do i do that? |
| 16:09.45 | nvz | wkhan113: best option is to remove old kernels as the new grub is all automagic.. or install grub-legacy which will let you manually do it. grub2 is a roya pita in that regard, you can add to it, but not subtract from it very easily |
| 16:09.51 | wonderworld | ps aux | grep rtorrent |
| 16:10.00 | wonderworld | if it shows up, it's running |
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| 16:10.11 | graham1 | yes, it shows up |
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| 16:10.26 | wonderworld | type rtorrent on the console. see if you can reach the console interface |
| 16:10.36 | graham1 | im there |
| 16:10.52 | wonderworld | ok, so the problem must be in the configuration of the web-ui |
| 16:11.00 | graham1 | (18:10:32) Could not read resource file: ~/.rtorrent.rc .. says that though. not sure what that means :/ |
| 16:11.05 | wonderworld | search the config file and see, what you can configure there |
| 16:11.16 | SiDz | it mean that u need a ~/.rtorrent.rc |
| 16:11.22 | wkhan113 | nvs: how do I remove the old kernel. Aptitude purge obsolete does not work. It tries to remove the new kernel |
| 16:11.26 | SiDz | read rtorrent faq |
| 16:11.45 | graham1 | where can i fidn the config file? ive never used debian command line before.. |
| 16:12.03 | SiDz | google rtorrent.rc |
| 16:12.14 | nvz | wkhan113: just set it to remove |
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| 16:12.18 | wonderworld | graham1 --> updatedb; locate config.php |
| 16:12.39 | nvz | wkhan113: also stop fat fingering nvs who is idle.. heh |
| 16:12.47 | SiDz | config of rutorrent of config of rtorrent |
| 16:12.49 | SiDz | lol |
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| 16:13.02 | SiDz | or* |
| 16:13.07 | wkhan113 | nvz. Sorry |
| 16:13.13 | graham1 | i dunno. whatever i need. i dont care if i dont ned rtorrent.rc. if i need to fix that i will |
| 16:13.18 | graham1 | i just wanna be able to use this in a simple way |
| 16:13.24 | SiDz | you sure need rtorrent.rc |
| 16:13.32 | SiDz | rtorrent need it to run/start |
| 16:13.49 | nvz | wkhan113: happens all the time, I'm just glad it happens to nvs and not me.. hah.. |
| 16:14.05 | SiDz | google for rtorrent.rc graham1, made your own |
| 16:14.20 | wkhan113 | nvz: same thing. It says remove following packages: linux image 3... |
| 16:14.23 | SiDz | next step will be rutorrent/apache2 conf |
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| 16:14.43 | nvz | wkhan113: because you already told it to do something that has that package marked for removal |
| 16:15.00 | wonderworld | is the rtorrent web-ui any good? i never saw it but am using rtorrent for 5 years now ;)# |
| 16:15.08 | nvz | wkhan113: this is why I hate aptitude, it tries to do shit automatically. I can't stand automagic stuff |
| 16:15.25 | SiDz | not bad wonderworld |
| 16:15.34 | SiDz | deluge-web is better |
| 16:15.36 | youlysses | wonderworld: Why use a web-ui when you could always ssh into that box? :-P |
| 16:15.38 | SiDz | more option |
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| 16:16.00 | nvz | wkhan113: at this point you'll need to quit using aptitude and/or start it interactively and set the new image to install |
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| 16:16.19 | wonderworld | new torrents are copied to my server with rtorrent by a little script. i can klick the torrent in browser and it's added to rtorrent |
| 16:16.30 | graham1 | i cant really judge the UI so far coz there is no option to download torrents etc |
| 16:16.39 | SiDz | ive switched from deluge to rtorrent/ruttorent, and i can tell that deluge-web have some interesting options that rutorrent dont have |
| 16:16.41 | wonderworld | i ownly need the console interface to check downloads |
| 16:16.49 | SiDz | like setting max upload/download speed by torrent |
| 16:16.52 | nvz | wkhan113: and if need be ask the channel, not me. .cause I'm just gonna ignore you and tell you not to use aptitude cause I hate it |
| 16:16.56 | SiDz | rutorrent can't do that |
| 16:17.09 | wkhan113 | nvz. Haha. Same with grub there was a manual config file before. What does non-free mean? Do I have to pay for those software. |
| 16:17.48 | nvz | wkhan113: contrib means the package requires non-free components but itself is free, non-free means not compliant with the dfsg (debian free software guidelines) |
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| 16:18.11 | ksuhku | free as in freedom, not price |
| 16:18.18 | wonderworld | are you guys using UPnP for media playback as well? i used to use mediatomb but it sucked. now switched to minidlna. |
| 16:18.22 | graham1 | looks like i need to get http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/export/1303/trunk/rtorrent/doc/rtorrent.rc into ~/.rtorrent.rc |
| 16:18.36 | nvz | wkhan113: debian doesn't have software that costs money, just means it doesnt comply with the DFSG which requires total freedom, source code, rights to modify..etc |
| 16:18.38 | SiDz | you also need to set it graham1 |
| 16:18.39 | graham1 | what does ~/ mean? root directory of the drive? |
| 16:18.42 | wonderworld | graham1: yes and you should look into the file and configure it |
| 16:18.45 | SiDz | ~ = home |
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| 16:18.57 | SiDz | cd ~ ; bring you to your $home directory |
| 16:19.11 | graham1 | how do i download that file to that location? |
| 16:19.13 | wkhan113 | nvs: kewl. Thanks |
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| 16:19.36 | SiDz | cd ~ ; wget http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/export/1303/trunk/rtorrent/doc/rtorrent.rc |
| 16:19.37 | wonderworld | graham1 --> cd; wget URL |
| 16:19.39 | nvz | wkhan113: you need a better irc client, try irssi and tmux or screen |
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| 16:19.51 | SiDz | mv rtorrent.rc .rtorrent.rc |
| 16:20.02 | nvz | wkhan113: in irssi it doesnt just foolishly tab complete alphabetically.. it'll tab complete nvz before nvs if you've been talking to nvz |
| 16:20.07 | SiDz | pico .rtorrent.rc , read, config, have fun! |
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| 16:20.53 | nvz | wkhan113: not to mention its a strickly console irc client and when used with tmux or screen its pure bliss |
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| 16:21.17 | protist | i use irssi |
| 16:21.25 | ksuhku | SiDz, nano > pico |
| 16:21.41 | graham1 | cd ~ ; wget http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/export/1303/trunk/rtorrent/doc/rtorrent.rc <--- i did that, and then typed rtorrent in console. it still says it cant read the rtorrent.rc file?? |
| 16:21.46 | SiDz | debian now ln -s nano pico |
| 16:21.49 | SiDz | so pico is nano:P |
| 16:22.18 | SiDz | but i tough that was the same, whats better in nano? |
| 16:22.46 | wonderworld | joe! joe! joe! |
| 16:22.53 | wkhan113 | nvz: now that I got internet connectivity on debian. I'll download a client. Irssi is good. |
| 16:22.58 | ksuhku | SiDz, was non-free |
| 16:23.17 | ksuhku | part of pine |
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| 16:23.55 | SiDz | lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 22 Jul 17 23:34 /usr/bin/pico -> /etc/alternatives/picolrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 22 Jul 17 23:34 /usr/bin/pico -> /etc/alternatives/pico |
| 16:23.57 | SiDz | lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 9 Jul 17 23:34 pico -> /bin/nano |
| 16:24.00 | SiDz | pico is nano! |
| 16:24.01 | SiDz | heh |
| 16:24.05 | lasers | SiDz: You can do 'cd' without the '~' part. |
| 16:24.07 | nvz | wkhan113: irssi is the best IMHO, leaves nothing to be desired.. even has an apt like plugin called scriptassist for fetching new scripts |
| 16:24.13 | SiDz | lasers ok:) |
| 16:24.14 | ksuhku | try to explain that to a physicist! |
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| 16:25.57 | graham1 | ok i think i found out. rtorrent.c isn't .rtorrent.c |
| 16:26.00 | graham1 | now how do i rename it/ |
| 16:26.01 | graham1 | ? |
| 16:26.25 | ksuhku | graham1, was told to you before... |
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| 16:26.57 | wonderworld | graham1: try if "mc" works |
| 16:26.57 | graham1 | ooops |
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| 16:26.57 | graham1 | thx |
| 16:27.03 | wonderworld | will make things more simple for you |
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| 16:27.59 | wkhan113 | nvz: irssi is great! |
| 16:28.05 | LordShiva | graham1, what do you need ? |
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| 16:28.35 | LordShiva | rtorrent.rc is configuration file and rtorrent.c is source code file |
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| 16:29.01 | LordShiva | source code of programms written in c ends up with .c |
| 16:29.22 | LordShiva | And configuration files are often .rc or .conf |
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| 16:29.59 | ksuhku | good point LordShiva! |
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| 16:30.29 | LordShiva | graham1, try using other torrent client like Flush Transmission or my favorite qbittorrent |
| 16:30.47 | graham1 | ok well now i can load rtorrent from command line without an error message. |
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| 16:31.38 | graham1 | but when i go to the rutorrent from my browser, it still says [04.08.2012 17:29:54] No connection to rTorrent. Check if it is really running. Check $scgi_port and $scgi_host settings in config.php and scgi_port in rTorrent configuration file. |
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| 16:31.58 | graham1 | will try checking if scgi_port is right first |
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| 16:32.30 | wkhan113 | LordShiva: or .ini |
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| 16:33.08 | graham1 | everything in my .rtorrent.rc file has a # infront of it. that could be screwing things up right? |
| 16:33.19 | graham1 | that means commented? |
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| 16:33.29 | LordShiva | graham1, why you dont try dissent torrent client like flush or qbittorrent |
| 16:33.52 | graham1 | coz what im trying to do seems nearly finished |
| 16:33.55 | graham1 | and i heard rutorrent was good |
| 16:33.57 | LordShiva | Rtorrent is console based |
| 16:34.58 | graham1 | i got rutorrent |
| 16:35.04 | ksuhku | graham1, yeah # means commented out |
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| 16:37.09 | LordShiva | rutorrent and rtorrent are not the same |
| 16:37.11 | LordShiva | :) |
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| 16:37.49 | LordShiva | You as beginner in debian I mean you say you didnt used command line in debian should use gui torrent client ... |
| 16:38.16 | LordShiva | I recommend flush transmission and qbittorrent |
| 16:38.32 | SiDz | hey, with bootlogd im able to log all boot msg in /var/log/boot |
| 16:38.39 | SiDz | can it also be done with shutdown msg? |
| 16:38.50 | SiDz | shutdownlogd |
| 16:38.52 | SiDz | lol |
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| 16:41.30 | graham1 | im in pico .rtorrent.rc |
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| 16:41.35 | graham1 | how do i highlight all text and delete? lol |
| 16:41.56 | Mohsen_Hassani | I have flash file (.swf) I don't know how to open it in Linux! |
| 16:41.56 | LordShiva | SiDz, I cant find shutdownlogd package there is bootlogd package |
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| 16:46.54 | ksuhku | Mohsen_Hassani, the usual video players might work depending on the codec |
| 16:47.26 | Mohsen_Hassani | ksuhku, Neither VLC nor Smplayer opened it! |
| 16:47.37 | graham1 | how do i highlight all text in pico and delete? |
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| 16:48.47 | youlysses | Mohsen_Hassani: Is the file corrupt? |
| 16:49.02 | youlysses | has always opened .flv and .swf in mplayer. |
| 16:49.10 | Mohsen_Hassani | youlysses, No; My friend emailed it to me. |
| 16:49.20 | jelly-home | <jelly-home> Mohsen_Hassani: it's not a video, it's a Flash container, so you need a browser with a flash plugin, or a standalone flash player |
| 16:49.25 | Mohsen_Hassani | youlysses, mplayer or Smplayer? |
| 16:49.34 | SmashingX | hey guys how can I set up my debian that gets the swapon at booting, because right now I have to set it up every time I boot |
| 16:49.53 | ksuhku | SmashingX, put it into /etc/fstab |
| 16:49.57 | Mohsen_Hassani | jelly-home, I tried Firefox and Chormium; both would download the file instead of playing it. |
| 16:50.00 | youlysses | jelly-home: Or something that can deal with. :-P |
| 16:50.04 | jelly-home | SmashingX: /dev/swapdevicenoneswapsw 00 |
| 16:50.23 | youlysses | Mohsen_Hassani: Mplayer, but isn't SMplayer just a front-end to it? |
| 16:50.33 | jelly-home | Mohsen_Hassani: is the adobe flash plugin installed? Debian does not have it preinstalled. |
| 16:51.03 | jelly-home | youlysses: yes, that something is called "adobe flash" |
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| 16:51.06 | SmashingX | ksuhku: I see the swap space in that file |
| 16:51.06 | youlysses | jelly-home: *cough* GNASH *cough* :-) |
| 16:51.13 | Mohsen_Hassani | jelly-home, I have installed flashplugin-nonfree |
| 16:51.16 | SmashingX | jelly-home: what's that? |
| 16:51.20 | jelly-home | youlysses: try gnash sometime. |
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| 16:51.31 | ksuhku | SmashingX, how does your line read? |
| 16:51.39 | jelly-home | SmashingX: a fstab line |
| 16:51.47 | SmashingX | UUID=4dfa5d09-e559-4cab-b7ad-03a2a6dba9bf swap swap sw 0 0 |
| 16:51.50 | youlysses | I have. :-U |
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| 16:52.19 | jelly-home | SmashingX: does your created swap, in fact, have that UUID? |
| 16:52.32 | SmashingX | I created the swap yes |
| 16:52.40 | SmashingX | how can I see the UUID? |
| 16:52.41 | ksuhku | SmashingX, isn't there one too many "swap"s there? |
| 16:52.44 | tomreyn | SmashingX: you shouldn't post your license key here!!11 |
| 16:52.47 | ksuhku | lol |
| 16:52.50 | tomreyn | just kidding |
| 16:52.56 | ksuhku | good one! |
| 16:53.00 | SmashingX | what? |
| 16:53.03 | SmashingX | licence key? |
| 16:53.11 | SmashingX | debian license key? |
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| 16:53.14 | SmashingX | lol |
| 16:53.16 | Kagee | Is there a .. generic tool for listing window info and moring / rearranging them? Generic so that i works in more than pne desktop envirionment |
| 16:53.22 | jelly-home | SmashingX: blkid /dev/yourswapdevice is one way |
| 16:53.43 | ksuhku | SmashingX, isn't there one too many "swap"s there? |
| 16:54.19 | ksuhku | Kagee, there's xwininfo FWIW |
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| 16:54.49 | SmashingX | 1 |
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| 16:56.27 | SmashingX | oh I see that I have a different UUID in the fstab |
| 16:56.32 | SmashingX | than the actual swap |
| 16:56.40 | SmashingX | would that solve the problem then? |
| 16:56.52 | tomreyn | yes it would |
| 16:57.00 | tomreyn | unless you put a wrong one again ;) |
| 16:57.13 | SmashingX | yeah I want to have mor eproblems |
| 16:57.16 | SmashingX | more problems |
| 16:57.21 | SmashingX | so I will put a wrong one |
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| 16:57.56 | SmashingX | if I change the size of my swap it will change the UUID? |
| 16:58.12 | SmashingX | because I think that's what I did before I got this problem |
| 16:58.14 | tomreyn | how do you change its size? |
| 16:58.32 | SmashingX | with Gparted |
| 16:58.43 | xshad | ath9k driver is so sweet ;) |
| 16:58.48 | SmashingX | I had a not allocated partition |
| 16:58.59 | dvs | sure is |
| 16:59.01 | SmashingX | so I increased the size of swap |
| 16:59.09 | protist | jelly-home: wow the bot did as told |
| 16:59.12 | protist | jelly-home: i got ur msg haha |
| 16:59.17 | ksuhku | SmashingX, you can have a regular file these days instead of a partition |
| 16:59.27 | protist | jelly-home: but i have iceweasel running flash perfect for me now |
| 16:59.40 | tomreyn | SmashingX: if it deletes the swap and creates a new one then the blkid will change |
| 16:59.41 | SmashingX | ksuhku: didn't get what you meant |
| 16:59.44 | jelly-home | protist: so open the swf in that |
| 16:59.55 | jelly-home | oh sorry |
| 16:59.57 | SmashingX | tomreyn: but if I change the size? |
| 17:00.04 | jelly-home | confused |
| 17:00.20 | tomreyn | SmashingX: i'm not even sure that's supported, after all it's jut swap |
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| 17:00.46 | protist | jelly-home: hehe |
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| 17:00.53 | SmashingX | I wonder why the heck the system doesn't warn you that the swap with th UUID on it couldn't be loaded |
| 17:01.03 | SmashingX | because I didn't know that I didn't had swap |
| 17:01.10 | SmashingX | sorry |
| 17:01.12 | SmashingX | have |
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| 17:01.27 | ksuhku | SmashingX, it probably said so... in dmesg :) |
| 17:01.36 | jelly-home | SmashingX: mkswap either generates a random UUID, or uses the one you provide on the command line |
| 17:02.11 | jelly-home | be careful not to mkswap the wrong partition |
| 17:02.12 | protist | im off to bed guys cya |
| 17:03.36 | ksuhku | protist, watch out for bed bugs! |
| 17:04.26 | protist | ksuhku: will do :p |
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| 17:05.51 | tomreyn | and if you find any, make sure to file them |
| 17:06.02 | ksuhku | :D |
| 17:06.48 | SmashingX | jelly-home: what do you mean? like swap a partition that is not swap? |
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| 17:07.42 | SmashingX | How can I see the users connected to my lan netwod? |
| 17:07.48 | SmashingX | network |
| 17:08.24 | graham1 | ive added scgi_port = 127.0.0.1:5050 to my .rtorrent.rc file where is the config.php file for rutorrent? i need to check if it matches i think |
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| 17:19.31 | nkuttler | SmashingX: how do they connect? |
| 17:19.45 | SmashingX | wireless |
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| 17:20.09 | nkuttler | SmashingX: dhcp? |
| 17:20.15 | SmashingX | yep |
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| 17:21.05 | nkuttler | SmashingX: check your logs i guess, or see if the dhcpd comes with some status commands |
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| 17:23.05 | graham1 | ok well i found the config.php file and made the cgiport = 5000 there, and stuck a scgi_port = 5000 in the .rctorrent.rc file |
| 17:23.07 | graham1 | still says same error message |
| 17:23.07 | graham1 | am i supposed to restart the rutorrent server maybe? im just reloading the webpage.. |
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| 17:26.37 | graham1 | ok how do i restart rtor and rutor please |
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| 17:27.53 | nkuttler | graham1: do they come with init scripts? /etc/init.d/foo restart |
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| 17:32.31 | graham1 | how do i check if rtorrent and rutorrent are running or not? |
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| 17:33.39 | dclarke | QUESTION : please, which is the bleeding edge distribution ? wheezy or sid ? |
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| 17:35.13 | dclarke | looks at topic in this chan .. sees irc.oftc.net with #debian-next |
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| 17:36.28 | thewanderer1 | hi. I think mount is having problems with resolving AAAA records... I mount by name, but it only seems to be asking for A. what am I doing wrong? (Squeeze) |
| 17:36.58 | thewanderer1 | my command is: mount -t nfs4 -o sec=krb5p,hard,intr sun.rkaw.pl:/home/users /mnt/sun |
| 17:37.19 | thewanderer1 | getent hosts sun.rkaw.pl returns the IPv6 address - mount says: no address associated with hostname |
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| 17:38.14 | dclarke | thewanderer1, just a guess here .. what is in your resolve.conf and if you do a dig +qr sun.rkaw.pl do you get AAAA address results ? |
| 17:38.32 | dclarke | oh .. nm |
| 17:38.41 | dclarke | I see in your next line that getent acts correctly |
| 17:39.01 | dclarke | wonders if mount is IPv6 smart |
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| 17:39.22 | dclarke | thewanderer1, sorry .. I'm not very helpful |
| 17:39.32 | dclarke | enters lurk mode & |
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| 17:40.29 | thewanderer1 | oh well, guess I should read the mount source... |
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| 17:41.33 | Dagger2 | thewanderer1: entirely possible Squeeze's NFS doesn't do IPv6. it may work on Wheezy though |
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| 17:42.07 | Dagger2 | (by which I mean my test mount to a non-existant server hangs rather than complaining about a resolve failure, so it at least gets further) |
| 17:42.20 | thewanderer1 | hm, I'll try by raw IPv6 address |
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| 17:42.30 | thewanderer1 | I think it worked for me last time over IPv6 |
| 17:42.40 | thewanderer1 | (could be Wheezy, though) |
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| 17:43.14 | Dagger2 | I see exactly the same behaviour with a v6 literal as I do with a hostname |
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| 17:45.34 | thewanderer1 | installing Wheezy krb5 on Squeeze... we all know how it's going to end |
| 17:45.47 | simonlnu | eek |
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| 17:52.28 | thewanderer1 | yeah, Wheezy's mount.nfs4 supports AAAA |
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| 17:59.46 | thewanderer1 | now I'm getting: ERROR: No credentials found for connection to server sun.rkaw.pl (in daemon.log, comes from rpc.gssd) |
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| 18:00.48 | thewanderer1 | surely enough, allow_weak_crypto=true |
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| 18:03.10 | FearOfMusic | is there an inittab in initramfs? i have vps... im trying to change /etc/inittab so mingetty uses the correct terminal device (hvc0) so that a remote console can be used... everytime i reboot it reverts to tty1... and /etc/inittab is modified to show this... even though i am changing the value to hvc0 and saving the file |
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| 18:05.35 | FearOfMusic | http://codepad.org/u3YrLeSB <- this is my /etc/initramfs (after reboot)... i have replaced tty1 with hvc0 on line 26 but everytime i reboot it goes back to tty1 |
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| 18:17.51 | karlpinc | FearOfMusic: Is there really an inittab in an intramfs? That sounds odd. What is it's purpose? |
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| 18:18.02 | thewanderer1 | re NFS4 problems: my bad, I had krb5 listening only on INET, not INET6 |
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| 18:18.32 | thewanderer1 | FearOfMusic: define "vps". what technology? KVM? Xen? OpenVZ? |
| 18:18.40 | FearOfMusic | xen |
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| 18:19.22 | thewanderer1 | could be an init script that resets inittab, VPS providers will often drop in custom snippets (why, who knows?) |
| 18:19.34 | FearOfMusic | hmm... well |
| 18:19.43 | FearOfMusic | i changed mingetty to getty |
| 18:19.47 | FearOfMusic | that part worked |
| 18:19.56 | FearOfMusic | but hvc0 still gets changed to tty1 in the file |
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| 18:20.22 | FearOfMusic | im botting with pv-grub if that makes a difference |
| 18:20.25 | FearOfMusic | *booting |
| 18:20.27 | thewanderer1 | I'd grep /etc recursively for tty1 string, or inittab string |
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| 18:20.53 | thewanderer1 | unlikely that an initramfs would interfere with your target root fs, although it's technically possible |
| 18:21.09 | FearOfMusic | hmm... good iddea |
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| 18:22.51 | FearOfMusic | /etc/init/tty1.conf is the only thing that really sticks out |
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| 18:23.33 | thewanderer1 | err... is that Debian? |
| 18:23.48 | thewanderer1 | it doesn't look like one |
| 18:24.12 | albech | is it not possible to use quotas on xen virtualized guests?? |
| 18:24.30 | mykhal | hi, i'm installing from 6.0.4 netinst - it cant' find install media (it was boot from grub4dos, iso mapped ffrom disk) .. how do i mount the iso for the installer? mounting it in another console, to e.g. newly created /media/cdrom, with -o loop, the mount command does not finish |
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| 18:25.03 | thewanderer1 | albech: AFAIK, Xen guests are just normal VMs, so everything that works on a physical system should work in there, except for raw device access |
| 18:25.19 | karlpinc | FearOfMusic: If you want a real console you do that with a kernel parameter. See the <kernel parameters> factoid. I don't know how that would work with a vps though.... |
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| 18:25.42 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: he still needs a getty, tho... |
| 18:25.44 | FearOfMusic | karlpinc: yes i have console=hvc0 in /boot/grub/menu.1st |
| 18:26.03 | FearOfMusic | so i see kernel boot messages and such |
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| 18:26.13 | mykhal | .. well, it finally finishes: can't setup loop device: No space left on device (??) |
| 18:26.22 | FearOfMusic | but it is just getty isnt working |
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| 18:26.33 | thewanderer1 | FearOfMusic: are you running Debian, or some Ubuntu? cause /etc/init/ is not part of Debian by default |
| 18:27.14 | karlpinc | mykhal: Why are you not just booting from cd, or usb stick, or whatever? |
| 18:28.16 | mykhal | karlpinc: it's an unusual device. and i can't find a stick ) |
| 18:28.24 | karlpinc | mykhal: Or, if you're already running linux and want to install debian see the "hard disk install" method in the <install buide>. |
| 18:28.28 | karlpinc | !ig |
| 18:28.30 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
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| 18:28.57 | tharkun | What is the factoid that states how to clone a debian machine? |
| 18:29.03 | SiDz | selinux on debian = pain in the ass |
| 18:29.06 | karlpinc | !aptitude clone |
| 18:29.08 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
| 18:29.09 | FearOfMusic | thewanderer1: it is debian wheezy |
| 18:29.11 | Calinou | selinux = pain in the ass |
| 18:29.12 | Calinou | SiDz, FTFY |
| 18:29.21 | mykhal | how can mounting lopp iso image run out of space? can it be busybox bug? |
| 18:29.38 | tharkun | karlpinc: thanks the order of the factor does change the product :) |
| 18:29.41 | thewanderer1 | FearOfMusic: using what init system? and what does that tty1 file say? |
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| 18:30.07 | thewanderer1 | FearOfMusic: because it does sound like your inittab is automatically generated somehow, which doesn't fit the traditional sysvinit O.o |
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| 18:31.08 | thewanderer1 | mykhal: not sure, have you loaded all the necessary modules in the installer? try the expert mode, review the list of installed modules, and find the loop option (if it's there) |
| 18:31.32 | tharkun | karlpinc: there is also debian clone which is a bit different using apt :-) |
| 18:33.05 | FearOfMusic | sysvinit is installed |
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| 18:33.58 | walkerneo | hello, anyone here? |
| 18:33.59 | FearOfMusic | thewanderer1: it appears that only the value of the terminal is changing... i can uses inittab to change mingetty to getty...i just can seem to get hvc0 to stick |
| 18:34.48 | thewanderer1 | FearOfMusic: well, it's a solution which doesn't explain the problem, but try chattr +i /etc/inittab ... |
| 18:35.39 | nvz | walkerneo: out to lunch, back in 20min |
| 18:36.10 | FearOfMusic | hmm... i might do that as last resort |
| 18:36.22 | FearOfMusic | i dont like not knowing why this is occuring |
| 18:36.48 | nvz | thats a silly question to ask a channel with like 1100 people in it. |
| 18:37.06 | thewanderer1 | FearOfMusic: you could employ syscall tracing or audit from something like grsecurity (although it's a major overkill) |
| 18:37.39 | thewanderer1 | inspect that /etc/init/* file... I don't know what degree of control you have over the kernel / initramfs, so can't really advise on that |
| 18:38.09 | FearOfMusic | well... what i am trying now |
| 18:38.35 | FearOfMusic | changed tty1.conf to hvc0.conf and s/tty1/hvc0/g in vim |
| 18:38.40 | FearOfMusic | rebooting to see what happens |
| 18:39.09 | FearOfMusic | to me it looks lit /etc/init/tty1.conf would have been generated from inittab |
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| 18:40.38 | FearOfMusic | no... that just deleted /etc/init/hvc0.conf and made a new /etc/init/tty1.conf |
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| 18:42.19 | thewanderer1 | huh! something weird is going on there |
| 18:42.42 | thewanderer1 | how did /etc/init even end up on the system? I don't think I've seen it on Wheezy... could verify, sec, I'll boot a laptop with it |
| 18:43.26 | FearOfMusic | i was using a different kernel (the one that the vps provider boots to by default) |
| 18:43.33 | FearOfMusic | this is all very odd to me |
| 18:43.46 | peterrooney | thewanderer1: it's part of upstart |
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| 18:45.13 | FearOfMusic | my desktop is wheezy and it does not have /etc/init/ |
| 18:45.35 | FearOfMusic | this vps has definatley never had upstart installed on it... upstart requires dbus and i have never installed dbus on this server |
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| 18:46.01 | FearOfMusic | if i apt-get isntall upstart on the vps it wants to remove sysvinit |
| 18:46.11 | Freejack | Anyone having a problem getting updates? |
| 18:46.22 | thewanderer1 | peterrooney: thanks, I've just looked and I thought I'd seen the format somewhere |
| 18:47.03 | thewanderer1 | FearOfMusic: ok, so 2 basic observations: 1: something assumes you're using upstart 2: something replaces inittab |
| 18:47.33 | thewanderer1 | if you chattr +i /etc/inittab, you should at least see error messages from the process that's trying to replace it on boot |
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| 18:51.37 | cardamon | Isn't upstart Ubuntu's thing? |
| 18:52.14 | FearOfMusic | thewanderer1: alright... i will try that at least |
| 18:52.24 | cardamon | And the rest of the sane world uses System V? |
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| 18:52.49 | thewanderer1 | cardamon: it is, but, surprisingly enough, things like anacron in Wheezy also *do* install upstart scripts (and create the dir) |
| 18:53.46 | cardamon | thewanderer1: Weird. Why would they do that? Something swim upstream from Ubuntu like a salmon? |
| 18:54.09 | peterrooney | cardamon: sns syndrome |
| 18:54.40 | thewanderer1 | cardamon: seeing how it's only 1 package, probably upstream leftovers |
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| 18:55.12 | Dan39 | anyone need help with something easy? :D |
| 18:55.48 | FearOfMusic | >.< |
| 18:55.56 | FearOfMusic | chattr +i does fix the problem |
| 18:56.01 | FearOfMusic | but it doesnt answer the question really |
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| 19:00.50 | thewanderer1 | FearOfMusic: observing your system would surely help... read about auditctl (especially RedHat's documentation is clear and up-to-date) |
| 19:00.50 | FearOfMusic | there is no indication of an error with chattr +i /etc/inittab |
| 19:02.52 | FearOfMusic | hmm |
| 19:03.02 | thewanderer1 | guys, nfs-common in wheezy (and sid, same version) writes to /var/lib/nfs at runtime... is this a bug? it's causing problems with my netboot system. why isn't it using /run, or /var/tmp? |
| 19:03.07 | FearOfMusic | instead of writing to /etc/inittab |
| 19:03.09 | thewanderer1 | (/var/run, for that matter) |
| 19:03.13 | FearOfMusic | it made a new file /etc/inittab.new |
| 19:03.17 | FearOfMusic | with tty1 |
| 19:03.48 | thewanderer1 | FearOfMusic: so it's simple now: fgrep -d recurse "/etc/inittab.new" /etc |
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| 19:05.34 | FearOfMusic | comes up empty >.> |
| 19:05.51 | FearOfMusic | ill just do it for the whole drive... not much on here |
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| 19:09.04 | FearOfMusic | nothing... exception entries in /root/.viminfo from opening the file |
| 19:09.19 | FearOfMusic | it almost has to be in initrd then? |
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| 19:14.03 | thewanderer1 | FearOfMusic: it could... verify your /etc/initramfs* and /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/* files |
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| 19:14.40 | thewanderer1 | could be a tedious process, but I've never seen a problem like yours, so I can't really come up with an automated solution... perhaps check `apt-cache policy` and look for foreign repos |
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| 19:15.26 | FearOfMusic | thewanderer1: could this prehaps be a udev thing? |
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| 19:16.33 | thewanderer1 | FearOfMusic: I've never seen udev interfere with tty's... however, try a grep for inittab.new only, as paths could be skipped (after a cd or so) |
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| 19:19.10 | FearOfMusic | if i recursively search the initrd (cpio unpacked) for 'inittab' only busybox comes up |
| 19:19.17 | FearOfMusic | but that is a binary |
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| 19:25.24 | melik_ | hey guys how can i set up a default ipv6 route in linux? |
| 19:25.59 | melik_ | when i try to ping6 it forces me to specify an interface |
| 19:27.52 | amee2k | i have an SSH p/key on a USB stick with LUKS and vfat. when i connect the flash drive and mount it (double click in nautilus, enter password), then it ends up mounted with everything world-readable, and SSH will reject the key file. where can i change the default permissions for vfat mounted this way?? |
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| 19:38.36 | thewanderer1 | any idea why NFSv4 over IPv6 is much slower than over IPv4? |
| 19:39.20 | bzed | obviously due to the longer ip adress *g* /me hides |
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| 19:40.06 | sweb | http://serverfault.com/questions/414314/debian-squeez-bind-wizard-application |
| 19:40.09 | woshty | i am with bzed on this one ;) |
| 19:41.41 | woshty | amee2k: via udev maybe? |
| 19:41.43 | thewanderer1 | I have no idea what it's doing, but it peaks at 3Kb/s O.o |
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| 19:43.42 | thewanderer1 | I/O gets stuck in really long D+ states |
| 19:43.49 | thewanderer1 | it really looks bad... |
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| 19:46.26 | thewanderer1 | could be FreeBSD's server implementation, not sure |
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| 19:47.15 | Benkinooby | hi, can someone give me a hint what to check, if my system clock goes wrong all the time (my various margins) but my hardware clock is alright? I confess that i have this problem on a ubuntu system but i have asked in ubunut now three days in a row, read man pages, forum threads and mail list logs but nothing helped so far. i'd appreciate any keyword you could drop me - i'm not asking for support |
| 19:47.37 | Benkinooby | my various... -> by various... |
| 19:48.49 | woshty | Benkinooby: how various? |
| 19:49.18 | Benkinooby | woshty, seconds, minutes, hours but the date is correct |
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| 19:49.49 | asarch | What is the name of the java plugin for Iceweasel in Testing? |
| 19:49.52 | Benkinooby | woshty, the margins are not exacts hours in case you suspect my time zone to be misconfigured |
| 19:50.43 | Benkinooby | woshty, the problem appears even without rebooting |
| 19:50.48 | cardamon | asarch: icedtea |
| 19:51.09 | woshty | Benkinooby: do you have ntp stuff installed? |
| 19:51.22 | asarch | Danke! |
| 19:51.24 | asarch | Thank you! |
| 19:51.26 | asarch | :-) |
| 19:51.34 | Benkinooby | woshty, i had it installed, i removed it again since it didn't seem to help |
| 19:52.00 | cardamon | asarch: icedtea-6-plugin or icedtea-7-plugin specifically. |
| 19:52.07 | amee2k | woshty: well, how ;) |
| 19:52.10 | Benkinooby | woshty, if you take interest in this topic may i suggest we have this discussion in a differenct channel since this is not really about debian? |
| 19:52.25 | cardamon | Depends on whether you want Java 6 or Java 7 support. |
| 19:52.38 | amee2k | i have no idea how the auto mounting thing on gnome works. otherwise i wouldn't be asking ;) |
| 19:52.51 | asarch | Thank you cardamon |
| 19:52.55 | asarch | Thank you very much :-) |
| 19:53.07 | cardamon | Go with 6 if you have jdk6, otherwise go with 7. |
| 19:53.34 | asarch | 6 is the default version for Testing, isn't it? |
| 19:53.53 | cardamon | For the most part. |
| 19:54.16 | cardamon | Seven's got more features, but in terms of running things, you won't notice much if any difference. |
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| 19:54.26 | woshty | amee2k: i dont have any clue either .. udev might work if nautilus uses system defaults, but do not know if udev will work with luks /dev/mapper stuff |
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| 19:55.09 | cardamon | Icedtea is the binaries of the stuff that Oracle won't release the source for from Java, then OpenJDK is built from everything they will release the source on. |
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| 19:56.55 | UukGoblin | hi... I logged in via gdm as a user, it started an xfce session, then I ssh'd into a box from a different machine, hoping to be able to control it... Set DISPLAY=:0, but I can't start any X clients cause it tells me: unable to open display ":0" |
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| 19:57.09 | woshty | amee2k: easiest workaround might be to use a small skript to do the decrypt and mount with options you provide using fstab |
| 19:57.14 | UukGoblin | any idea how to... er... do it? |
| 19:57.24 | UukGoblin | I mean, run some apps locally but via ssh? |
| 19:57.29 | UukGoblin | or perhaps remotely, too? |
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| 19:57.39 | UukGoblin | I guess this -nolisten tcp has to go either way... |
| 19:57.51 | amee2k | :/ |
| 19:57.53 | amee2k | :- |
| 19:57.58 | amee2k | :\ |
| 19:58.00 | amee2k | :| |
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| 20:01.17 | UukGoblin | this whole new xauth system is beyond me |
| 20:01.23 | UukGoblin | xhost was nice and simple |
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| 20:19.13 | tharkun | If some dpkg bot editor is around take a look at #debian logs factoid, it is at best outdated |
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| 20:21.07 | jhutchins | graham1: Probably winscp |
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| 20:23.50 | thewanderer1 | guys, is there a way to push an update to Squeeze which, only thing it does, is place a BUGS file in a package, to inform users of a Squeeze-only bug? or is that better put on bugs.debian.org? it doesn't affect Wheezy... |
| 20:24.16 | thewanderer1 | I just think informing users of a bug in mount.nfs4 would be beneficial, but I see no clear way to do it, and it's not a security bug |
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| 20:26.05 | peterrooney | tharkun: where are they now? |
| 20:26.11 | woshty | UukGoblin: what exactly are you trying to do? log in using gdm on box a to start a session, then ssh from box b into a and control the session on box a? |
| 20:26.44 | graham1 | what lets me serve files, and lets the user delete files that he has finished downloading? something that is easy to setup? |
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| 20:27.22 | tharkun | peterrooney: I don't know how to edit them or erase them. Once I tried several times and the bot ignored me for about a week IIRC |
| 20:27.29 | woshty | graham1: scp |
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| 20:27.46 | nkuttler | graham1: that's really non-trivial. not very hard but you'll need some admin/coding knowledge |
| 20:27.54 | nkuttler | graham1: have you given up on torrent + httpd? |
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| 20:29.11 | nkuttler | graham1: samba could also interest you. again, not very hard but not trivial |
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| 20:31.14 | peterrooney | can't see smv (as compared to scp) being widely used |
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| 20:32.23 | xshad | someone familiar with atheros ath9k + ath3k drivers? After read a lot on the internet I could not get bluetooth working :-/ |
| 20:32.43 | ircnode0 | I failed to install nvidia driver, how I can roll back to nouveau? |
| 20:32.57 | ircnode0 | tried on debian squeeze |
| 20:32.59 | tharkun | graham1: If it is for personal use you can set up sftp with filezilla and you are done |
| 20:33.29 | aguitel | how install skype ? |
| 20:33.48 | tomreyn | ircnode0: apt-get purge <packagename> |
| 20:34.01 | tomreyn | that's assuming you were wise and used the packaged one |
| 20:34.16 | abec0 | graham1: If you user is OK to use winscp, and you are root on the server, you could just ssh and cp the file in her home directory, and let her do with it what she sees fit. |
| 20:34.48 | tomreyn | ircnode0: also make sure that related entries are fully removed off xorg.conf |
| 20:35.00 | nkuttler | it something for his students iirc.. |
| 20:36.10 | ircnode0 | tomreyn: yes, I installed packages only: module-assistant, nvidia-kernel-common. Basically I followed this guide "http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#non-free_drivers" |
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| 20:38.00 | abec0 | nkuttler: Is it graham1 you are talking about ? Because as I see it, if more than one person is to DL something, it might not be wise to let them remove the file... (maybe someone hasn't done the DL yet). |
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| 20:38.35 | ircnode0 | tomreyn: I used aptitude, so I think I have to execute this : aptitude purge module-assistant nvivida-kernel-common |
| 20:38.54 | nkuttler | abec0: indeed |
| 20:38.57 | ircnode0 | tomreyn: and then remove xorg.conf file |
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| 20:39.30 | nkuttler | graham1: if i remember right and this is for a university setup with students etc... can't you spare a small budget on an intern? some starving CS student maybe :p |
| 20:39.49 | tomreyn | ircnode0: start by: m-a purge nvidia |
| 20:40.18 | tomreyn | ircnode0: if this doesn't work, use: m-a purge nvidia-kernel-common |
| 20:40.27 | tomreyn | then do what you said |
| 20:41.38 | tomreyn | actually it's m-a purge nvidia-kernel |
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| 20:43.07 | tomreyn | ircnode0: and finally: apt-get purge nvidia-glx\* |
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| 20:46.55 | ircnode0 | tomreyn: the last command result in "No will be installed, upgraded, or removed. I think it is okay to reboot now |
| 20:47.24 | ircnode0 | *No packages will be installed... |
| 20:47.44 | tomreyn | ircnode0: does this list anything? dpkg -l nvidia-\* | grep ^ii |
| 20:48.03 | tomreyn | if it does, then apt-get purge those packages, too |
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| 20:55.58 | ircnode0 | tomreyn: thanks. Done and works fine. I will try to install nvidia again someday. |
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| 20:56.32 | tomreyn | i hope i didn't make you do that ;-) |
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| 21:01.52 | ircnode0 | what "ii" means in package information? |
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| 21:04.57 | graham1 | what port is sftp? |
| 21:05.01 | nkuttler | ircnode0: installed ? |
| 21:05.11 | nkuttler | graham1: grep -i sftp /etc/services |
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| 21:05.40 | Colin2 | graham1: 22 |
| 21:06.31 | aidalgol | ircnode0: It means it's installed. I don't know why there are two 'i's. |
| 21:06.36 | graham1 | 22 worked. why does the output of what nkuttler said display 115?! |
| 21:07.36 | nkuttler | graham1: 22 is normal ftp, not sftp |
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| 21:07.51 | nkuttler | but then, the protocol doesn't care which port is used |
| 21:07.52 | tomreyn | the meaning of the two characters is somewhat explain in the entire "dpkg -i <packagename>" output |
| 21:08.02 | tomreyn | ircnode0: ^ |
| 21:08.35 | tomreyn | i.e. if you run, e.g. "dpkg -l dpkg" you will get an explanation on top of the table |
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| 21:10.15 | tomreyn | the first 'i' indicates what is going supposed to happen next with this package (it will remain _i_nstalled), the second indicates its current status (it is currently _i_nstalled). |
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| 21:10.51 | thewanderer1 | excuse me, what host did I just appear to be connected from when /join'ing? |
| 21:11.16 | Colin2 | thewanderer1: 2001:470:71:193:5054:ff:feb4:aa4d |
| 21:11.17 | tomreyn | the same as now |
| 21:11.25 | thewanderer1 | Colin2: thanks |
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| 21:13.21 | ircnode0 | tomreyn: understood. \o/ |
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| 21:19.59 | nickoe | Hello. can it be that libchamplain python bindings it not on testing? |
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| 21:21.24 | tomreyn | nickoe: libchamplain | 0.12.2-1 | wheezy | source |
| 21:21.35 | tomreyn | it's there. and it's a source (only) package |
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| 21:21.58 | nickoe | hmm, okay |
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| 21:30.42 | TakamachiFeito | is there a metapackage that includes all the X libraries headers? (like libxv-dev, libxfixes-dev, etc) ? |
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| 21:47.21 | tidux | why is it so hard to install the mit-scheme package on amd64? |
| 21:47.39 | tidux | I thought multiarch was supposed to stop these package conflicts |
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| 21:53.41 | zophjy | i sort of like gnome3 desktop |
| 21:56.20 | KsM | zophjy: you are what is wrong in this world |
| 21:56.23 | KsM | /joke |
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| 21:58.02 | tidux | how do I install mit-scheme:i386 on amd64? |
| 21:58.17 | tidux | using apt-get and aptitude give me a bunch of package conflict errors |
| 21:58.29 | tidux | I thought multiarch fixed that |
| 21:58.30 | tidux | :/ |
| 21:58.35 | SiDz | you remove the :i386 |
| 21:59.03 | tidux | SiDz: what the hell is multiarch for, then |
| 21:59.11 | tidux | I swear I added it as an architecture |
| 21:59.30 | SiDz | i dont have that package in amd64 |
| 21:59.31 | SiDz | heh |
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| 22:00.22 | nkuttler | tidux: check the bts |
| 22:00.23 | tidux | mit-scheme isn't even available for amd64 in squeeze |
| 22:00.24 | tidux | wtf |
| 22:01.06 | SiDz | I've been able to install mit-scheme on amd64 by dowloading the i386 package |
| 22:01.06 | SiDz | and installing with dpkg --force-architecture -i, though this is not ideal. |
| 22:01.08 | SiDz | try that |
| 22:01.31 | themill | tidux: multiarch doesn't let you do just anything; it's also still a work in progress |
| 22:01.34 | SiDz | http://www.gmclean.org/mit-scheme_9.0.1-1_amd64.deb |
| 22:01.35 | SiDz | :D |
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| 22:01.40 | tidux | I saw that |
| 22:01.44 | SiDz | link down |
| 22:01.55 | tidux | it's disheartening though - no visible progress in six years |
| 22:02.19 | tidux | I got a copy of SICP and figured it'd be easy to use a Debian system to follow along :/ |
| 22:02.31 | tidux | wgets |
| 22:02.41 | tidux | yeah that's not working |
| 22:02.46 | tidux | www.gmclean.org is a 404 |
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| 22:03.56 | themill | tidux: umm.... "no visible progress" is another way of saying "I haven't looked" in this case. |
| 22:04.31 | tidux | no I've looked at the BTS, tried building it from source |
| 22:04.35 | tidux | and it exploded on me |
| 22:09.02 | tidux | let's try the "portable C" version |
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| 22:34.30 | agike | Hi, I found that my /boot is renamed 'lost+found', and denis me perms to cd in as root/sudo. Is this recoverable, or should I reinstall .. as I am ready to do .. ? |
| 22:35.37 | tidux | agike: that |
| 22:35.41 | tidux | that's not your /boot |
| 22:35.52 | tidux | that's just the place unclaimed inodes go |
| 22:36.07 | tidux | if it's populated that means you had a filesystem failure and it tried to repair itself |
| 22:37.06 | agike | tidux: Thanks, that clarifies it. It seems I have to renstall .. |
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| 22:37.31 | engla | If it' sjust /boot you should be able to recover |
| 22:38.44 | agike | engla: Unfortunately, there is no /boot .. its a long story. |
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| 22:39.52 | tidux | ok, so it looks like the "portable C" version of MIT Scheme is compiling from source |
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| 22:45.51 | vampi-the-frog | guise I'm getting a compromised page when accessing http://www.debianadmin.com/mount-a-remote-file-system-through-ssh-using-sshfs.html |
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| 22:46.21 | nsadmin2 | tidux are you building edwin too? |
| 22:47.12 | tidux | what's edwin? |
| 22:47.51 | tidux | I'm just following these instructions |
| 22:47.52 | tidux | http://www.gnu.org/software/mit-scheme/liarc-build.html |
| 22:48.13 | nsadmin2 | it's like emacs (which uses lisp as scription language) only it uses scheme |
| 22:48.31 | tidux | oh |
| 22:48.31 | tidux | no |
| 22:48.58 | tidux | I figure I'll just use emacs for my scheme editing |
| 22:50.12 | vampi-the-frog | god what a bunch of nerds |
| 22:50.21 | tidux | oh and I'm attempting to build the portable C version on my Sheevaplug running squeeze armel |
| 22:50.36 | tidux | that will probably take a few hours, but it'll be worth it if it works |
| 22:50.40 | tidux | and yes, vampi-the-frog |
| 22:50.44 | tidux | we are nerds |
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| 22:51.04 | vampi-the-frog | I'll contact debianadmin.net cause their site is compromised |
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| 22:51.10 | tidux | ? |
| 22:51.21 | tidux | that's a 404 |
| 22:51.39 | tidux | nmap and ping can't resolve it |
| 22:51.45 | vampi-the-frog | http://www.debianadmin.com/mount-a-remote-file-system-through-ssh-using-sshfs.html |
| 22:51.47 | vampi-the-frog | this? |
| 22:51.53 | vampi-the-frog | oh and their top search terms are viagra and cialis |
| 22:51.54 | tidux | oh |
| 22:52.00 | tidux | you said .net |
| 22:52.00 | nsadmin2 | vampi-the-frog, what do you expect out of a channel like this... does it bother you that much that there exist nerds? |
| 22:52.01 | tidux | not .com |
| 22:52.29 | vampi-the-frog | oh sorry, i meant .com |
| 22:52.49 | tidux | alright, so it failed to build on squeeze armel |
| 22:52.55 | tidux | but squeeze armel is a wonky release |
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| 22:53.07 | tidux | first ARM EABI version of Debian, and its gcc still has weird bugs |
| 22:53.15 | tidux | I'm totally dist-upgrading that thing to wheezy when it releases |
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| 22:54.39 | nsadmin2 | tidux, can you back the whole thing up? |
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| 22:55.55 | dwarder | Couldn't parse the keyboard mapping file (null). Exiting" |
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| 22:56.02 | dwarder | while using directvnc |
| 22:56.05 | dwarder | anyone? |
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| 22:59.26 | dwarder | webad_13: you were asking the same question |
| 22:59.37 | dwarder | webad_13: did you get the answer? |
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| 23:13.07 | cipherz | hello, anyone have any experience with dell disk encryption and debian? |
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| 23:25.14 | tidux | woot woot scheme built on wheezy amd64! |
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| 23:45.46 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 23:46.08 | ZenWalker | how can I list my packages installed from "debian multimedia"? |
| 23:46.33 | mmnicolas | aha! I've run onto that, hold on |
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| 23:47.04 | mmnicolas | aptitude search '~i ?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages)' |
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| 23:49.47 | W4sp | Hi. This refers to the current debian release. I would like to run 6.0.5 with the xdm DM and fvwm without any other DM nor any GNOME2 or GNOME3 or KDE. Please can you let me know if I can just install xdm and fvwm packages, then getting rid entirely of other DM and DE, yet the system will be fine and no GNOME/KDE helper processes will be required? |
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| 23:52.08 | mmnicolas | W4sp: you should be fine |
| 23:52.52 | W4sp | mmnicolas: Great, many thanks. |
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| 23:58.17 | Ephexeve | Hey, I am using Debian squeeze, but I want to install Caffeine (because my screen shuts everytime I am watching a video or whatever) |
| 23:58.25 | Ephexeve | so it's not in the sources, any clue how can I make this? |