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| 00:15.33 | Supaplex | My first lxc guest is running fine now, but my second one will not start. related debug info here: http://goo.gl/sxe74 If anyone has ideas, comment in the doc or let me know. Thanks! |
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| 00:17.55 | reuf | what to read to get better understanding of all this process in regards to dpkg, aptitdue, apt-get, sinaptic etc? |
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| 00:19.15 | bfig | hello, i'm trying to set up skype and i'm having trouble configuring sound hardware |
| 00:19.32 | bfig | i can't use the mic for some reason |
| 00:19.32 | reuf | the thing i get confused is how do all these managers organize their installations etc - in sense do all of them follow same logic where to put what file? |
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| 00:19.59 | dvs | reuf: dpkg does all the putting the file stuff |
| 00:20.27 | reuf | also the directory structure of different linux - it seems that each distro has their own way of organizing files, why so much mess? |
| 00:21.00 | reuf | dvs, thanks |
| 00:21.18 | dvs | reuf: The Linux Standard Base takes care of the part which is (should) be common to all Linux distros. |
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| 00:22.37 | nsadmin | bfig, last time I tried, it seemed to want pulseaudio |
| 00:23.12 | bfig | nsadmin, what do you mean by that? do i need to use pulseaudio? |
| 00:23.15 | bfig | i'm currently using alsa |
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| 00:23.52 | kevlarman | nsadmin: it works with alsa |
| 00:24.21 | kevlarman | nsadmin: it's 32 bit though, need the 32 bit libraries for alsa |
| 00:24.42 | nsadmin | oh is that what it is |
| 00:25.06 | nsadmin | so I would have to add i386 arch and then get those libs |
| 00:25.26 | kevlarman | nsadmin: also i wouldn't be surprised if it's built with -lpulse |
| 00:25.36 | kevlarman | nsadmin: you can also use the static binary |
| 00:25.45 | nsadmin | would that be just a plugin? |
| 00:26.00 | nsadmin | might there be a jack plugin? |
| 00:26.05 | kevlarman | nsadmin: nope |
| 00:26.16 | kevlarman | you can run pulse on top of jack |
| 00:26.17 | kevlarman | but meh |
| 00:26.27 | kevlarman | i run pulse on top of oss and it sucks |
| 00:26.41 | mparodi | are you having problems with audio? what distor? |
| 00:26.42 | kevlarman | (more than pulse normally sucks that is) |
| 00:26.44 | mparodi | distro* |
| 00:26.45 | nsadmin | in what way? |
| 00:27.07 | kevlarman | nsadmin: 1) everything starts to default to pulse |
| 00:27.19 | kevlarman | 2) pulse can't do low latency on oss |
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| 00:28.29 | nsadmin | once you're running jack, you want lowlat and rt, yes? |
| 00:28.35 | Diopter | bfig: Are you using a 64-bit distro? |
| 00:28.46 | bfig | Diopter, yes |
| 00:28.50 | kevlarman | (i consider sub-30ms to be good enough) |
| 00:29.00 | Diopter | bfig: Then like kevlarman said, you need to install 32-bit libs. |
| 00:29.04 | nsadmin | since at that point the whole machine is synced to the sample rate |
| 00:29.09 | Diopter | bfig: Whether you want Skype to use ALSA or PulseAudio |
| 00:29.17 | bfig | gonna go with the 32 bit libs |
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| 00:31.14 | bfig | great! :) |
| 00:31.19 | bfig | now it works :)) |
| 00:31.23 | bfig | thanks all |
| 00:31.26 | Diopter | Grats |
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| 00:33.06 | nsadmin | bfig, which skype did you dl? |
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| 00:33.20 | bfig | 32 bit debian version |
| 00:33.30 | mparodi | I have problems with my mic too :| |
| 00:33.33 | nsadmin | could you state the filename |
| 00:33.41 | mparodi | it was working until I upgrade (testing) |
| 00:33.57 | nsadmin | haven't run testing yet |
| 00:34.11 | bfig | one sec |
| 00:34.20 | bfig | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.42 | nsadmin | hmm, and you installed 32b libs and it worked? |
| 00:34.46 | bfig | yes |
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| 00:34.54 | barmos | hi all, i have one problem, could you please help me with this? : http://pastebin.com/K9LwGyd5 |
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| 00:35.00 | nsadmin | ok, thanks... I think I installed the same thing |
| 00:35.28 | mparodi | so.. what should I check? everything is working but I can't use my microphone |
| 00:36.18 | karlpinc | !tell mparodi about alsa checklist |
| 00:36.23 | reuf | for vim experts: - vim - i've used it on and off - i can do some basic stuff with it - i know where to lookup shortcuts when i need to get stuff done - however how do i get it into my blood - how do i actually learn it so it becomes natural to use it? - how did you do it? - i know practice - but how did you practice? |
| 00:36.39 | bfig | reuf, why don't you go ask #vim? |
| 00:36.53 | bfig | i like gvim, and use both vim and gvim |
| 00:37.13 | bfig | i am not an expert, i just like to move my wrists very little |
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| 00:37.57 | Diopter | reuf: Have you seen the 7 Habits of Highly Effective Text Editing by Bram Molenaar? |
| 00:38.07 | Diopter | reuf: (primary author/maintainer of vim) |
| 00:38.25 | reuf | no |
| 00:38.31 | reuf | let me look it up |
| 00:38.51 | reuf | thanks all - you guys are wealth of info |
| 00:39.12 | karlpinc | reuf: Or (obligatory emacs plug) you could take the emacs tuitorial and abandon vi. :) See the <emacs docs> factoid. |
| 00:39.23 | kevlarman | reuf: just use it |
| 00:39.51 | Diopter | karlpinc: I switched to emacs from vim after... 9ish years |
| 00:39.52 | karlpinc | kevlarman: Best advice, yes. And lookup what you need to know when its time to do something new. |
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| 00:40.06 | Diopter | kevlarman: Agreed. All day every day is the way. |
| 00:40.17 | kevlarman | karlpinc: as a happy emacs user, i consider it cruel and unusual to suggest vim users switch to emacs :P |
| 00:40.27 | Diopter | lol |
| 00:40.28 | mparodi | do you have these lines (---------) in capture (alsamixer)? http://wstaw.org/m/2012/07/12/plasma-desktopVG3603.png |
| 00:40.30 | karlpinc | Diopter: Wow, that sounds rare. (And offtopic, #debian-offtopic?) |
| 00:40.59 | kevlarman | i'd have probably chosen emacs if i knew about the esc-caps swap earlier |
| 00:41.08 | kevlarman | err vim |
| 00:41.22 | barmos | hi all, i have one problem, could you please help me with this? : http://pastebin.com/K9LwGyd5 |
| 00:41.22 | reuf | had the chance to have dinner with Stallman - no positive feedback - so talk of emacs brings back bad feelings :( |
| 00:41.24 | kevlarman | but by the time i found out about it the emacs muscle memory was already there |
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| 00:46.06 | barmos | Hi all i dont want spam but i need to know how to set GREP output, could you please help me with this? : http://pastebin.com/K9LwGyd5 |
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| 00:56.25 | barmos | Guys, how could i use SED to find all lines containing "connected" ? |
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| 00:58.28 | Diopter | barmos: sed -n '/connected/p' filename? |
| 00:58.40 | Diopter | barmos: Could just grep, too |
| 00:58.44 | barmos | lemme try, thank you |
| 00:58.55 | barmos | Diopter: i tryied this but noone can help me |
| 00:59.05 | barmos | Diopter: >>this Hi all i dont want spam but i need to know how to set GREP output, could you please help me with this? : http://pastebin.com/K9LwGyd5 |
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| 01:01.35 | Diopter | barmos: So... you're wanting to filter a connection log, and put the output into another file, but you want to only have "IP, name, country" in the output? |
| 01:02.00 | Diopter | barmos: Can you paste a little of your server log so the *exact* format of the input can be seen? |
| 01:02.03 | barmos | Diopter: actually i dont need country but output of grep makes unreadable output |
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| 01:02.36 | barmos | i just need every matched result to new line ..but ill post wait |
| 01:03.57 | barmos | Diopter: serverlog looks like this: http://pastebin.com/UtKJQD46 |
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| 01:05.54 | Diopter | barmos: Ah. Well that's fairly easy. So for a line like: [Wed 11 Jul 19:02:18] Fjols(4)(77.213.213.92)(Denmark) connected, you want: Fjols 77.213.213.92 Denmark, or similar? |
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| 01:06.44 | barmos | Diopter: yes |
| 01:06.54 | barmos | Diopter: but every result to new line |
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| 01:07.48 | Diopter | barmos: Yep. Just a moment |
| 01:07.55 | barmos | thank you |
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| 01:10.51 | Diopter | barmos: Can be done another way, but this was relatively painless using sed |
| 01:10.53 | Diopter | barmos: sed -nr '/connected/ s/^.*] (.+)\(.+\)\((.+)\)\((.+)\).*$/\2 \1 \3/p' test.txt |
| 01:11.10 | barmos | lemme try Diopter |
| 01:11.12 | Diopter | barmos: I put your example text into test.txt. Give it a try on your logs |
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| 01:11.20 | Diopter | Gotta go afk, bblish. Good luck! |
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| 01:12.52 | barmos | Diopter: seems it do what i want, but still not every result to new line .. i do after your command this > output.php |
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| 01:13.26 | Diopter | barmos: Do you mean you want to Append the lines to output.php? |
| 01:13.38 | Diopter | barmos: If so, you need to use >> instead of > |
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| 01:15.11 | barmos | Diopter: not reall append. ah my english :-( well, after this your command, is result like this > IP NAME COUNTRY IP NAME COUNRY ..i would like to have it like this | IP NAME COUNTRY (new line) IP NNAME COUNTRY (new line) in output of html or php file |
| 01:15.15 | barmos | IP NAME COUNTRY |
| 01:15.19 | barmos | like this |
| 01:15.37 | barmos | ah > not side by side |
| 01:15.48 | Diopter | barmos: No it's not. It prints one entry per line. |
| 01:15.58 | Diopter | barmos: Run it without the > output.php. |
| 01:15.59 | barmos | Diopter: http://server.aboutbob.eu/ |
| 01:16.37 | Diopter | barmos: Run it in your shell. Should be one entry per line. |
| 01:16.48 | barmos | yes it is |
| 01:16.50 | barmos | thats true |
| 01:16.59 | Diopter | barmos: If you're doing something with the data Afterward to show it on your page, then it's probably your PHP that's the issue :P |
| 01:17.09 | barmos | aah :-/ |
| 01:18.29 | Diopter | barmos: Maybe your PHP isn't inserting <br/> tags after each line? |
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| 01:18.49 | barmos | sure id doesnt. i just do youircommand > output.php |
| 01:23.39 | Diopter | barmos: Oh, wow, so you're not even actually Writing any real php. I figured maybe you had some other script reading that output.php file :P |
| 01:23.39 | boudiccas | barmos: output it to a text.txt file |
| 01:23.39 | Diopter | ^ |
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| 01:23.39 | Diopter | With the .txt ending, your webserver (Apache presumably) will likely Do The Right Thing(tm) and try to Content-Type: text/plain |
| 01:23.39 | Diopter | Which should preserve the line-endings appropriately |
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| 01:24.19 | Diopter | barmos: Sure thing |
| 01:24.26 | barmos | ah yes, Diopter one more :D with your sed command, is the way to remove duplicated? |
| 01:24.31 | barmos | duplicates |
| 01:24.41 | barmos | but i dont need it hurry |
| 01:24.50 | barmos | its just a question |
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| 01:25.23 | Diopter | barmos: No, but you can pipe the result through | sort | uniq before your > |
| 01:25.43 | Diopter | And that'll remove dupes. It'll also sort them as a byproduct, but the other ways to remove dupes are more complicated... |
| 01:26.33 | barmos | Diopter: | sort | uniq works exactly as i want...thanks |
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| 01:33.16 | mietek | Is it normal for man not to work on a fresh squeeze install? |
| 01:33.20 | mietek | man: can't execute pager: No such file or directory |
| 01:35.04 | aidalgol | mietek: What's this command say? echo $PAGER |
| 01:35.16 | mietek | Empty |
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| 01:35.24 | aidalgol | weird... |
| 01:35.36 | aidalgol | Sounds like less isn't installed, but I have no idea why. |
| 01:36.07 | mietek | Indeed, it wasn't |
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| 01:40.53 | Optik_ | Hey guys. I am trying to get into a box in single user mode, and its asking for the maint password. I've tred init=/bin/bash but it isnt working either. The box is an embedded box, runing on Compact Flash or something like it |
| 01:41.03 | Optik_ | Any ideas? |
| 01:41.14 | Optik_ | that don't require me taking a screw driver to it ;-) |
| 01:41.31 | dvs | sledgehammer! |
| 01:42.31 | agike | I'm trying to get into a debian partition to fix broken gdm3 using debian live CD but mount does not recognise 'debian-live-6.0.4-i386-rescue.iso', or 'Debian squeeze 20120129-10:41' .. can anyome advise what the Deb LiveCD recognises ? |
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| 01:43.34 | echo083 | which package to see asian fonts in iceweasel ? |
| 01:43.56 | echo083 | in fact i want to be able to see any language character in iceweasel |
| 01:44.31 | agike | echo083: good question .. |
| 01:44.33 | jpinx | echo083: locales I think is what you need |
| 01:45.11 | jpinx | echo083: I have thai in my browser |
| 01:45.15 | engla | echo083: Wikipedia has some good info on this.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Multilingual_support_%28East_Asian%29#Debian-based_GNU.2FLinux |
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| 01:45.51 | echo083 | jpinx, i already have locales but let me check |
| 01:46.12 | echo083 | jpinx, i confirm already installed |
| 01:46.30 | mietek | Can you tell me what's in your /boot/grub/default ? |
| 01:46.34 | echo083 | engla, let me check your link |
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| 01:46.50 | jpinx | echo083: what do you see if you open a thai website? |
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| 01:47.10 | agike | mietek: was that for me ? |
| 01:47.12 | mietek | update-grub gives me "expr: syntax error" |
| 01:47.26 | mietek | agike: for anyone who could help me :) |
| 01:47.54 | echo083 | jpinx, f*** i can't find any ! always when you look for it you don't find |
| 01:48.10 | jpinx | echo083: find what? |
| 01:48.20 | echo083 | jpinx, a site with thai characters |
| 01:48.24 | engla | echo083: again, go to wikipedia to find anything in the world.. including pages in thai |
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| 01:49.12 | jpinx | echo083: www.dtac.co.th |
| 01:49.13 | agike | mietek: czesc ! Sorry .. I did not see your peoblem description - just don't do anythng you may regret. A zen-like indifference to fate is called for in these circumstances. |
| 01:49.28 | Optik_ | thoughts to bypass maint password on single user mode? |
| 01:49.28 | jpinx | that'll make your browser's eyes water ;) |
| 01:49.44 | mietek | agike: I'm trying to install linux-image-686-bigmem on a fresh squeeze |
| 01:49.56 | mietek | The installation fails, because /boot/grub/default doesn't exist |
| 01:50.16 | echo083 | jpinx, yes i have thai characters ! hindi too arabic etc etc ... the only missing are japenese and chinese that's quite strange indeed |
| 01:50.17 | jpinx | mietek: re-install grub ? |
| 01:50.36 | echo083 | jpinx, seems the default install doesn't provide these fonts a communist conspiracy :p |
| 01:50.39 | jagginess | mietek, you mean /etc/default/grub |
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| 01:50.57 | mietek | jagginess: no, I don't |
| 01:50.59 | jpinx | echo083: heh ;) |
| 01:51.08 | agike | mietek: I will check my (working) ubuntu system |
| 01:51.57 | mietek | http://pastebin.com/ANLzBXrf |
| 01:52.08 | mietek | This is what happens when trying to install |
| 01:52.26 | mietek | Searching for default file ... Generating /boot/grub/default file and setting the default boot entry to 0 |
| 01:52.30 | mietek | entry not specified. |
| 01:52.35 | mietek | run-parts: /etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub exited with return code 1 |
| 01:52.42 | craigevil | why big-mem and not pae? /boot/grub/default was grub1 , grub2 uses /etc/default/grub |
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| 01:53.30 | agike | mietek: I have no dir or file named 'default in /boot/grub .. |
| 01:53.32 | mietek | I don't see any pae kernels |
| 01:54.04 | agike | grub2 |
| 01:55.11 | agike | mietek: you need /etc/default/grub .. for grub2 |
| 01:55.27 | Optik_ | frowns |
| 01:55.41 | mietek | agike: thanks, I have that file |
| 01:55.44 | agike | Optik: que pasa ? |
| 01:55.56 | Optik_ | agike... could be here a looong time |
| 01:56.36 | jpinx | Optik_: you want to eliminate the single user passwrd completely? |
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| 01:56.54 | jagginess | mietek, odd, did you make sure it's not from a testing repo |
| 01:57.06 | jagginess | (apt-cache policy linux-image-686-bigmem) |
| 01:57.36 | mietek | 500 http://mirror.bytemark.co.uk/debian/ squeeze/main i386 Packages |
| 01:57.39 | agike | mietek: thanks - I have no answer to what file name Deb LiveCD recognises .. will have to surf around, I guess. |
| 01:57.47 | nsadmin | the single user passwd is the root passwd |
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| 01:58.13 | mietek | jagginess: I literally haven't done anything after the installation apart from creating some users |
| 01:58.23 | jpinx | nsadmin: yes - but he is hinting at bigger issues ;) |
| 01:58.28 | jpinx | !xy |
| 01:58.28 | dpkg | [xyproblem] People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem or http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/put-down-the-chocolate-covered-banana.html |
| 01:58.47 | Justasic | hi, I have an issue with xorg and apt, I am running debian sqeeze and after a recent update apt refuses to install xorg and fails with a ton of dependency errors. dpkg says it doesn't want to install xorg because it will break stuff |
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| 01:58.56 | jagginess | mietek, try apt-get -f isntall |
| 01:59.05 | Justasic | still fails |
| 01:59.14 | Justasic | oh |
| 01:59.18 | Justasic | talking to someone else lol |
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| 01:59.53 | nsadmin | prubably yoyu got the right spelling, but if not, apt-get -f install |
| 02:00.03 | Supaplex | fail fail filthy fail foul fail fail foul (Bill Cosby as a sysadmin) |
| 02:00.06 | mietek | jagginess: the installation fails again in the exact same fashion, as in the pastebin above |
| 02:00.20 | jagginess | mietek, uname -a says what? |
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| 02:00.26 | craigevil | pae is in backports |
| 02:00.36 | mietek | Linux box.example.com 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Sun May 6 04:01:19 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:01.42 | jagginess | mietek, does "cat /etc/debian_version" show correct? |
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| 02:01.55 | mietek | jagginess: 6.0.5 |
| 02:02.29 | jagginess | apt-get --reinstall install grub-pc (which should be grub2) |
| 02:02.53 | mietek | apt informs me it'll remove grub-legacy |
| 02:03.41 | mietek | This is a virtualized box from bytemark; do you suppose this won't break booting? |
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| 02:06.32 | mietek | Well, here goes. |
| 02:06.47 | Supaplex | plugs his nose, looks at mietek nervously |
| 02:06.55 | jagginess | lol |
| 02:07.06 | jagginess | smells like a non-debian |
| 02:07.11 | mietek | Indeed |
| 02:07.30 | mietek | Not very Linux either |
| 02:07.32 | mietek | Thanks, though |
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| 02:08.05 | craigevil | should upgrade to grub-pc just fine |
| 02:08.29 | mietek | What else do I need to do to switch to the bigmem kernel? |
| 02:08.44 | mietek | I thought installing and rebooting would be enough. |
| 02:09.07 | mietek | uname -a still the same |
| 02:09.15 | dvs | mietek: it depends if the bigmem kernel is the first item in the GRUB menu |
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| 02:10.34 | jpinx | mietek: you *might* have to remove the old kernel and re-config grub |
| 02:10.58 | jagginess | jpinx, no he doesnt |
| 02:11.19 | jpinx | ok |
| 02:11.38 | mietek | In /boot/grub/grub.cfg the 0th menuentry is for the bigmem kernel |
| 02:12.07 | karlpinc | mietek: But what's the default? (It's usually 0, but this can be changed in /etc/default/grub |
| 02:12.09 | mietek | And default="0" |
| 02:12.26 | mietek | In /etc/default/grub GRUB_DEFAULT=0 |
| 02:12.33 | mietek | Hrm |
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| 02:14.27 | jagginess | mietek, how much GB ram do you have? |
| 02:14.51 | mietek | But when I reboot the box and watch the boot sequence attached to the serial console, GRUB 0.97 comes up, with only a single entry! |
| 02:15.07 | mietek | jagginess: 32GB |
| 02:15.16 | dvs | 0.97? |
| 02:15.22 | mietek | And I need it to be a 32-bit box, yes |
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| 02:16.19 | mietek | dvs: grub-legacy was installed by default; it's been removed now, but perhaps not entirely? |
| 02:16.30 | jagginess | mietek, ? |
| 02:16.44 | dvs | mietek: That's what it sounds like |
| 02:16.50 | gnarface | man i wish it was possible to get xorg to re-read the config file without a restart |
| 02:16.51 | jagginess | mietek, grub-legacy=grub1, grub-pc=grub2 |
| 02:17.01 | mietek | jagginess: yes, and? |
| 02:17.09 | jagginess | mietek, if you talk about grub.cfg, this is grub2 |
| 02:17.37 | mietek | jagginess: when you told me to reinstall grub-pc, I told you apt will remove grub-legacy and install grub-pc |
| 02:17.56 | jagginess | mietek, ok.. but the linux-image did you try to reinstall that? |
| 02:18.01 | mietek | Yes, and it's installed |
| 02:18.02 | dvs | mietek: I'd purge grub-legacy |
| 02:18.43 | jagginess | mietek, so if the linux-image installed properly, a new entry should be in grub.cfg (after the update-grub2 script got fired) |
| 02:19.17 | mietek | jagginess: yes, that's right. 2 new entries, corresponding to the new image. |
| 02:19.31 | mietek | dvs: purged; trying a reboot... |
| 02:19.55 | jagginess | mietek, i'm guessing grub2 installed its stage1 to the mbr |
| 02:19.56 | dvs | mietek: OOps! do a grub-install first! |
| 02:20.32 | mietek | Right. Doesn't boot. |
| 02:20.41 | jagginess | mietek, gpt drive? |
| 02:20.58 | jagginess | (or dosmbr ?) |
| 02:21.49 | dvs | mietek: Rescue mode from install CD has an option to install GRUB |
| 02:21.57 | mietek | This is a ByteMark VM |
| 02:22.03 | dvs | oh |
| 02:22.04 | mietek | Booted from netboot now |
| 02:22.18 | mietek | jagginess: not sure how to check that |
| 02:22.23 | jagginess | ok, but the partition table, is it GPT style or Dosmbr style? |
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| 02:23.11 | jagginess | the command parted would say, eg: parted /dev/sda p (p=print table) |
| 02:23.44 | jagginess | (If it says "Partition Table: msdos" then it's not gpt duh :) |
| 02:24.29 | jagginess | (if parted isnt there, and fdisk -l fails, then it's likely gpt) |
| 02:25.00 | mietek | I have parted, but no /dev/sd* |
| 02:25.18 | jagginess | type parted<enter> |
| 02:25.28 | jagginess | then hit, p <enter> |
| 02:25.28 | mietek | parted /dev/vda p -> msdos |
| 02:25.31 | jagginess | (q quits) |
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| 02:26.43 | jagginess | i thought the grub2 install package ought to do grub-install or at least request to.. but, simply chroot after you do the mount --bind for sys,proc and dev, then grub-install |
| 02:26.58 | jagginess | (grub-install within chroot, is a lazy fix) |
| 02:27.38 | mietek | I'm sorry, can you explain how to do the mount? |
| 02:27.38 | jagginess | grub2 stage1 needs to be injected in mbr... that's the target |
| 02:28.06 | jagginess | mount --bind /dev /mnt/vda1/dev , for eg |
| 02:28.19 | jagginess | (assuming /dev/vda1 is your linux's /) |
| 02:28.31 | jagginess | then do sys and proc |
| 02:28.46 | jagginess | (then chroot, and grub-install) |
| 02:28.57 | jagginess | chroot /mnt/vda1 |
| 02:29.25 | mietek | Just a stupid question... If I shadow /dev with my newly mounted directory, will it still allow me to refer to the right device? |
| 02:30.40 | jagginess | the manpage says what --bind is for |
| 02:31.34 | jagginess | mietek, you sure you have 34 Gigs of ram? |
| 02:31.42 | mietek | 32 |
| 02:32.02 | jagginess | if you don't know how to do these mounts, you should hire someone.. |
| 02:32.28 | jagginess | I wonder what you're going to do if you can't facilitate tinkering a good use out of those 32 gigs of ram |
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| 02:33.46 | mietek | I appreciate your concern |
| 02:33.49 | jagginess | thinks mietek, has 32gigs of a virtual harddrive dedicated for his vm |
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| 02:34.51 | Chris___ | I think I accidentally my entire server (I'm not sudo'ed or su'ed or anything): http://captain-kickass.net/p/16 |
| 02:36.05 | ManoftheSea | Chris___: boot to single user, change password. |
| 02:36.16 | ManoftheSea | Alternately, boot to liveCD, chroot, change password. |
| 02:36.34 | ManoftheSea | Alternately, get a magnet and a needle, open the HDD in a clean room, and change password. |
| 02:36.43 | ManoftheSea | In emacs, you can use ctrl-cmd-butterfly |
| 02:36.44 | Chris___ | ManoftheSea: do you know what's broken? >.> |
| 02:36.52 | pparadis | or just figure out why the UID for josh and goose are apparently mixed up. |
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| 02:37.15 | mietek | jagginess: /dev/vda1 is the /boot partition; /dev/vda2 is / |
| 02:37.16 | ManoftheSea | Chris___: I didn't look |
| 02:37.17 | Chris___ | pparadis: is that what it is? |
| 02:37.45 | mietek | jagginess: should I bind the mounted /dev/vda1 to /boot before chroot? |
| 02:37.47 | pparadis | Chris___: you might have a look at /etc/passwd and see about that. |
| 02:38.10 | pparadis | Chris___: user UIDs are the third column in that file. |
| 02:38.18 | ManoftheSea | you shouldn't ahve them the same. |
| 02:38.26 | pparadis | shouldn't and doesn't are two different things :) |
| 02:38.57 | pparadis | there are ways that can happen. mostly by adding users on the command line with args that would specify that. |
| 02:38.58 | mietek | Ah, no, I get it. |
| 02:39.26 | Chris___ | pparadis: different UID's |
| 02:39.33 | Chris___ | and GID's, though I don't think it's related |
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| 02:39.49 | pparadis | Chris___: what did you do recently, as in right up until you noticed this? |
| 02:40.36 | pparadis | it is frequently helpful to know what the "before and after" picture looks like. |
| 02:41.20 | Chris___ | pparadis: it's a VPS running an IRCd, a few irssi screens, nginx, a few cron bash scripts.. I just ssh'ed in and happened to notice, haven't "done anything" per say |
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| 02:42.00 | pparadis | Chris___: you might want to compare checksums of various binaries against what they should be on another system running the same debian version, then. |
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| 02:42.22 | pparadis | in other words, when you see weird stuff like this and have no way of explaining it, you may wish to consider the possibility of compromise. |
| 02:43.00 | Chris___ | yeah |
| 02:43.02 | pparadis | i presume when you've logged in via ssh in the past, whoami didn't report another username. |
| 02:43.05 | zambolio | oh dear |
| 02:43.09 | Chris___ | ok, thanks pparadis |
| 02:43.13 | Chris___ | anad no, it didn't |
| 02:43.17 | pparadis | nod |
| 02:43.23 | Chris___ | I just wanted to see how long josh had been idle, and noticed it |
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| 02:44.12 | mietek | jagginess: MemTotal: 33281112 kB |
| 02:44.15 | Chris___ | ..wat |
| 02:44.15 | mietek | jagginess: thanks for your help |
| 02:44.20 | Chris___ | now I show up in 'w', pparadis |
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| 02:44.38 | mietek | dvs: and yours |
| 02:44.48 | dvs | ???? |
| 02:45.00 | dvs | oh no prob |
| 02:45.03 | mietek | :) |
| 02:45.21 | pparadis | Chris___: i'd advise you boot that VPS into a recovery environment, run something like rkhunter on the filesystem, and start comparing checksums for standard system utilities, especially things like whoami, ps, sudo, etc. |
| 02:45.47 | pparadis | Chris___: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 02:46.45 | Chris___ | squeeze |
| 02:47.00 | Chris___ | but it's been in need of a kernel update anyways |
| 02:47.05 | Chris___ | thanks again pparadis, I'll get on that |
| 02:47.17 | edju | OK - useless question of the month time! External USB drive, two partitions - sdb1 & sdb2. Deleted sdb1 and resized sdb2. Now I have sdb2 and no sdb1. Not a problem, I guess, but it's just - uhhh - well, it's just not kosher. Yes, there's a lot of data on it. Any way to change the device name to sdb1? |
| 02:47.21 | pparadis | Chris___: i'd like to also note that if you have reason to suspect you might be compromised, you cannot trust any part of the operating system not to lie to you, so booting into a trusted environment and mounting the filesystem is important :) |
| 02:47.25 | pparadis | good luck |
| 02:47.51 | Chris___ | thanks for the advice |
| 02:47.56 | pparadis | sure thing |
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| 02:53.24 | mefistofeles | hey, I'm trying to recompile a debian package which I've applied a non-official patch... I tried using debuild -us -uc but it complains about modified files, not sure how to achieve this, any ideas? |
| 02:54.40 | sney | mefistofeles: hmm, you might be able to use uupdate |
| 02:55.15 | mefistofeles | sney: what do you mean? Sorry my ignorance, never done this before |
| 02:55.59 | sney | !uupdate |
| 02:55.59 | dpkg | uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile>. |
| 02:56.43 | sney | you might need to adjust some directory names and files but it should be able to work for your needs. I think I did the same thing once |
| 02:58.09 | mefistofeles | sney: oh ok, thanks, that helps I think |
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| 02:59.44 | karlpinc | edju: The usual approach is to use UUIDs or fs disklabels and ignore the partition name anyway. |
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| 03:01.46 | edju | karlpinc, yes, I know - I have UUID in fsatab. But, I thought if there's some way . . . . |
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| 03:19.28 | Diopter | edju: Depends. Is it an MSDOS disklabel or GPT? |
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| 03:22.39 | Diopter | edju: Actually, you can do it with either. There's a fairly simple way |
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| 03:25.03 | Diopter | edju: Do: sfdisk -d /dev/sdb > table.txt, then make a copy, and edit the copy by swapping the info from /dev/sdb2 with /dev/sdb1 |
| 03:25.50 | Diopter | edju: Then "cat yourcopy.txt | sfdisk /dev/sdb" to rewrite the table, and verify it looks right with fdisk/parted/sfdisk -d/etc, before you try to mount it |
| 03:26.11 | Diopter | edju: If you screw it up, rewrite with the original table, do a better job, etc :P |
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| 04:11.09 | pingshotgun | [23:10] Users on #debian: slidesinger SeySayux Tiffy comradekingu Maarten ajedwards heinrich5991 neoice em xand _n_ot_here cybrhuman HarryS aindilis Sakura Coweater desti_T2 ageis cian1500ww Nepherius jahman_ phorce1 SerajewelKS ScottG489 jetole isaqual AlcariTheMad gunkaaa Tabmow Corey thomas brolin_empey sig_wal1 umami rzs19 mavhc Flechmen_disconn adi__ repa stew pbn _br_ pincy InvalidHandle chattr keyvan SpeedyG Arieh_ micols blommer d |
| 04:11.10 | pingshotgun | [23:10] Users on #debian: cwillu_at_work lollo64it smacnay catsup companion joar calzifer Mp5shooter codepal disposable CrazyEddy HardDisk_WP hoarycripple nhandler steinex Gottaname TheCoffeMaker trysten sportlik_mees mquin Droolio ivan`` jayne GNU\colossus phenom tomcheng76 Diopter sawjig ksool jhutchins AntiSpamMeta firztspawn sveva65 hando s581en33 kingsley initself extor victrola` Orbixx LtL dijenerate gamer1990 M`vy slipper PAVKATA^ |
| 04:11.10 | pingshotgun | [23:10] Users on #debian: karlpinc crashmag milosn efaistos stephan48 eon01 m_athias PrickelPit robotdevil thewanderer1 saz Ritche LittleFool exocaesar oal magn3ts L0rdShrek piklu mrrothhcloud__ gezgin NimeshNeema MoMo Tenchworks Cyclohexane githogori Ool GabrieleV Zitter Gringoire KaiSforza ponyofdeath rachelbox Ring0` Duker Rix ix pseubodo1 JeffJohnson Harpoon bitfury tomo\inai duga Goodfeather frankie rvalles MoDaX oneand0 prince_jammy |
| 04:11.10 | pingshotgun | [23:10] Users on #debian: useall Guest33539 cafuego faw eliasp pingveno micke sattva Dybber ycat weaseal Spec alta keith4 Radex adam8157 ekontsevoy cramo mz|` Martz Cerise bassliner Kasreyn javierHund Qrc wataken44_ Schoentoon smcavoy AAA ghoti Binnzi cyberspace- hnsz2002 cbobo mrhanky zorrolero D4rKr0W kesroesweyth JyZyXEL Sander^home MafProd k4tfish Strogg jahman LameIdler michaelni Dossy ekix el_seano Rockj Driver Orbitrix s3phir0th115 |
| 04:11.10 | pingshotgun | [23:10] Users on #debian: tolkor zumbi AlfE_ siyb path rmayorga Er0x__ EvOox- JStoker osamu rysiek|pl dancek icecdocorp schrodinger Malf bolt Jarvis rafaelstanley kwork CybDev me__ jhoepken mwargh lkthomas crashev Dibbler maxorator Emmanuel_Chanel bambee relurk PaulePanter LjL epsilon jelly-home _marix ondrejk_ `ph8 mmaton|offline Trewas rawtaz somiaj kakolak puffisocks majuscule blueyed xen Sc0rian jannic genius` Someguy123 raz affix dri |
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| 04:11.23 | sney | :I |
| 04:11.47 | Tiffy | Retard. |
| 04:12.00 | Sakura | That's a lot of highlight spam. |
| 04:12.18 | stew | do you guys have debian related questions? |
| 04:12.47 | Sakura | goes back to lurking. |
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| 05:06.41 | craigevil | 22!ops sjork spam |
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| 05:06.49 | sjork | That's not spam. That's a question |
| 05:06.59 | jparkton | hep tep rog |
| 05:06.59 | sjork | $nick told me to go away. |
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| 05:07.06 | jparkton | someones damn bot |
| 05:07.06 | rasusto | you can type that on one line, you know |
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| 05:07.11 | sjork | Fuckin faggots |
| 05:07.12 | jparkton | happened in #Ruby too |
| 05:07.15 | sjork | stop messing with my script |
| 05:07.17 | jparkton | hep tep rog |
| 05:07.17 | sjork | $nick told me to go away. |
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| 05:07.40 | jparkton | !ops please ban this douche |
| 05:07.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jparkton complains about: please ban this douche |
| 05:07.42 | cads | evening folks |
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| 05:09.38 | roboman2444 | may i make a suggestion for debian? |
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| 05:10.18 | jparkton | roboman2444, sure |
| 05:10.44 | roboman2444 | dont make synaptics-touchpad directly compiled into the kernel |
| 05:10.51 | roboman2444 | or have some easy way to disable it |
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| 05:11.18 | roboman2444 | because it SUUUUUCKS |
| 05:11.30 | roboman2444 | and i dislike having to use the 3.1 kernel |
| 05:11.52 | engla | you can uninstall the driver |
| 05:12.06 | roboman2444 | i tried untinstalling EVERYTHING |
| 05:12.16 | roboman2444 | somehow its still there |
| 05:12.28 | craigevil | gnome and kde have a setting that can be used to disable it |
| 05:12.29 | jparkton | why not switch to flux? |
| 05:12.34 | roboman2444 | flux? |
| 05:12.35 | jparkton | might be better? |
| 05:12.57 | craigevil | or you can disable it in your xorg.conf |
| 05:13.06 | roboman2444 | craigevil, i would rather use 3.1 than kde |
| 05:13.08 | roboman2444 | i tried |
| 05:13.10 | jparkton | thar ya go |
| 05:13.12 | jparkton | better answer lol |
| 05:13.26 | roboman2444 | i kinda have a weird xorg configuration... also |
| 05:13.47 | craigevil | did you remove xserver-xorg-input-synaptics |
| 05:14.00 | roboman2444 | yes |
| 05:14.01 | cads | Hey guys, I'd like to deploy debian experimental's version of the XFCE4 metapackage |
| 05:14.02 | roboman2444 | did that |
| 05:14.18 | cads | is there a guide for doing just that, while keeping the rest of my packages in Testing? |
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| 05:14.44 | cads | or would it be more advisable to simply install XFCE from the developer's source? |
| 05:14.49 | roboman2444 | Reading state information... Done |
| 05:14.50 | roboman2444 | Package 'xserver-xorg-input-synaptics' is not installed, so not removed |
| 05:14.59 | craigevil | roboman2444: you can try using tpconfig or gpointing-device-settings |
| 05:16.02 | craigevil | cads: you can try doing apt-get -t experimental install xfce4 -s and see what it wants to do |
| 05:16.18 | roboman2444 | craigevil, ok, installed tpconfig... how do i make it use evdev? |
| 05:16.30 | craigevil | no clue :) |
| 05:17.10 | craigevil | never had any issues with the touchpad on this ancient thinkpad |
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| 05:18.06 | roboman2444 | ok... if there is no way to remove synaptics touchpad |
| 05:18.19 | roboman2444 | can i configure it to behave exactly like my evdev setup? |
| 05:18.30 | g4mbit | pull the plug ^^ |
| 05:18.36 | roboman2444 | its a touchpad |
| 05:18.44 | roboman2444 | and evdev works for my touchpad |
| 05:18.48 | cads | craigevil, I don't have experimental sources yet. But if I add unstable sources to my sources, won't apt-get try to updrage everything to experimental? |
| 05:18.49 | g4mbit | yea and it's plugged to the MB ;) |
| 05:18.52 | roboman2444 | it was the one it used up untill 3.2 |
| 05:18.55 | cads | !faq experimental |
| 05:18.56 | dpkg | experimental: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC |
| 05:19.38 | craigevil | exp and sid are two different things |
| 05:19.56 | craigevil | exp works like backports on stable nothing installs from it unless you tell it to |
| 05:20.26 | cads | sounds great |
| 05:20.26 | cads | thanks |
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| 05:21.38 | roboman2444 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:21.42 | roboman2444 | i have that in my xorg.conf |
| 05:21.49 | roboman2444 | which should work... but it doesnt |
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| 05:42.50 | cads | hmm. I ran apt-add-repository is run as apt-add-repository 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ experimental main |
| 05:43.01 | cads | however it added a deb-src line to my sources.list: 'deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ experimental main |
| 05:43.32 | cads | is this usual? |
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| 05:44.49 | Martyn | Hey all. |
| 05:44.59 | Martyn | Anyone here particularly good at Ganglia configuration on Debian? |
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| 05:47.39 | cads | ah, my mistake |
| 05:47.47 | cads | it added both a deb and a deb-src line |
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| 05:51.22 | nicks | how do i set the time, timezone |
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| 05:52.21 | nicks | the debian manual has a deprecated command |
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| 06:00.00 | Apeiron` | Hm. Why is it that 9/10 times I'm highlighted anywhere, it's because of either a misstab or highlight spam? |
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| 06:00.53 | AlcariTheMad | Apeiron`: do you highlight on something common, like '3.5'? |
| 06:02.43 | nicks | what are some general security tips |
| 06:02.57 | nicks | like disable remote root login |
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| 06:03.32 | nicks | or some general settings to increase secuirty |
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| 06:04.24 | gnarface | nicks: disable remote root login and disable text-based passwords; only allow authentication via public/private key auth |
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| 06:04.34 | gnarface | nicks: close unecessary ports |
| 06:04.37 | vaq | How do I download a package through apt-get and all it's dependencies ? |
| 06:04.40 | gnarface | nicks: run a firewall |
| 06:04.57 | gnarface | vaq: that's what apt-get does by default |
| 06:05.06 | vaq | gnarface: yes but it installs it |
| 06:05.07 | craigevil | nicks: read harden-doc |
| 06:05.13 | vaq | gnarface: I only want to download |
| 06:05.18 | craigevil | -d |
| 06:05.27 | pparadis | nicks: some basics (1) use ssh keys with passphrases assigned to them and disable password-based logins, (2) only use packages from the repos unless you're willing to religiously monitor security mailing lists for the code you're running, (3) monitor debian security mailing lists religiously, (4) run as little as root as possible, (5) chroot or vm-based sandbox everything possible |
| 06:06.30 | pparadis | nicks: (6) for code you're writing, have two outside firms independently pen test your app(s), (7) separate dev/test/prod environments for everything you're writing, if you're writing anything, |
| 06:07.34 | nicks | good suggestions, maybe i should qualify, this is just a vps, im not serving many people other than myself |
| 06:07.56 | pparadis | nicks: (8) deploy defense in depth by not relying on any one security mechanism to guard against intrusion or loss, meaning iptables/ebtables/router edge firewalling, (9) pay the right people to do the right things for you or your org if you are hosting customer data, (10) use crypto wherever possible, do not store keys on disk, and do not ever write your own crypto |
| 06:07.57 | peterrooney | nicks: don't install any service that isn't actually needed. |
| 06:08.07 | pparadis | nicks: i could go endlessly, but i think you get the picture. |
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| 06:08.28 | nicks | should i look into something like fail2ban |
| 06:08.38 | pparadis | nicks: i'll just quote bruce schneier here. "security is a process, not a product." |
| 06:08.55 | Apeiron` | AlcariTheMad: No, I only highlight on "Apeiron`" |
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| 06:10.25 | pparadis | nicks: the absolute best place you should start, if you're seriously interested in this topic, is digging into things like various open source intrusion detection systems coupled with frameworks like metasploit. while you're doing that, read up on iptables/ebtables extensively, and look for various guides on system hardening. |
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| 06:10.45 | pparadis | take everything you read with a grain of salt, as in read it with a critical eye and compare it to similar projects or resources. |
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| 06:11.39 | pparadis | nicks: i'll plead guilty myself to the charge that this entire topic is essentially offtopic for this channel, btw. :) there are other channels and resources dedicated to system security, and there is no small set of recipes that will suit you. |
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| 06:12.26 | nicks | ok |
| 06:12.42 | nicks | im just looking for common things people do with an out of the box systme |
| 06:13.09 | pparadis | don't do that. investigate all the system i've listed, and once you have specific questions to ask on various components you're experiementing with, ask them :) |
| 06:13.42 | pparadis | start with two or three and take it at your own pace, asking for feedback or help on individual security talking points as you go. |
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| 06:14.38 | pparadis | a lot of your questions will be answered before you even ask them if you spend a week or two seriously reading up on these things and playing with them. |
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| 06:17.04 | nicks | looking through harden-doc it appears there are some automatic hardening tools, let me guess.. you dont think they are a good idea pparadis |
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| 06:27.59 | peterrooney | nicks: harden and harden-doc can help you start the process Schneier rambles on about. |
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| 06:56.55 | raboof | i usually use wicd-client to discover and enable wifi connections |
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| 06:57.36 | raboof | wicd only supports one connection at a time, and I'd like to have both wifi and wired enabled at the same time, so I'm thinking of switching to something else |
| 06:58.03 | raboof | as soon as i install network-manager, though, enabling wifi (even through wicd-client) starts failing ('Bad password') |
| 06:58.43 | raboof | any clue what's going on there? |
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| 07:04.58 | drigolli2r | hi all |
| 07:05.34 | Steve-the-ripper | sup |
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| 07:17.38 | Nsweees | hi guys |
| 07:17.48 | jparkton | o/ hello |
| 07:17.49 | Nsweees | anyone knows how i can make simple A record in debian? |
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| 07:18.05 | jparkton | Nsweees: apt-get install bind9 |
| 07:18.08 | pparadis | Nsweees: by installing an authoritative name server daemon and creating a zone file. |
| 07:18.24 | Nsweees | without bind server? |
| 07:18.27 | pparadis | jparkton: ugh. i'd recommend nsd3 any day of the week over installing bind. |
| 07:18.41 | jparkton | never used it |
| 07:18.56 | jparkton | is it the same amount of hassle? |
| 07:18.57 | jparkton | lol |
| 07:19.01 | pparadis | Nsweees: you can't serve DNS records without installing and configuring an authoritative name server daemon such as nsd, bind, etc. |
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| 07:19.48 | pparadis | jparkton: it reads bind zone files, is super easy to deal with, is quite featureful, is higher performance than bind for most applications, doesn't suffer the horrible (even after rewrite) track record of bind with security, etc. |
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| 07:20.18 | jparkton | heh |
| 07:20.19 | pparadis | jparkton: http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/projects/nsd/ |
| 07:20.26 | jparkton | pparadis: I may have to install it |
| 07:20.34 | pparadis | play with it. it's what i use. |
| 07:20.35 | jparkton | bind was a beast |
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| 07:20.51 | jparkton | I had to read no less than 4 DNS manuals to even grasp it |
| 07:21.28 | pparadis | well, DNS requires understanding, but the daemon itself ideally shouldn't make seemingly simple things harder than they need to be. so i use nsd. |
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| 07:22.57 | Nsweees | pparadis: where is nsd zonefile |
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| 07:24.01 | pparadis | Nsweees: please google for "nsd debian 6 guide" |
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| 07:32.37 | peterrooney | Nsweees: apt-file search zonefile |
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| 07:33.38 | johndescs | hi, i just did a stable 6 testing upgrade as the freeze is now here, so that I may test a little |
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| 07:34.28 | johndescs | at reboot grub was in rescue mode and I had to boot a PXE recovery to grub-install manually |
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| 07:35.07 | johndescs | it was complainig about an unknown symbol |
| 07:35.47 | johndescs | what should I do to help tackle this? not sure what to put in a bug report |
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| 07:37.17 | knadajkd | Does anyone happen to know how to search the debian backports for packages? I'm trying to install a newer GCC, preferably 4.7 |
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| 07:38.33 | johndescs | knadajkd: http://backports-master.debian.org/Packages/ ? |
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| 07:39.12 | qubits | I ran aptitude to install screen and it removed a bunch of stuff like cryptutils and more leaving my RAID array in a non operational state |
| 07:39.15 | qubits | how do i check what was removed so i can work on getting all my data back |
| 07:39.35 | nsadmin | , v gcc |
| 07:39.37 | judd | Package: gcc on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; sid: 4:4.7.1-1; wheezy: 4:4.7.1-1 |
| 07:39.46 | johndescs | qubits: /var/log/aptitude ? |
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| 07:40.20 | nsadmin | knadajkd, no 4.7 for squeeze, looks like no gcc in any backport |
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| 07:41.11 | knadajkd | So only way is to compile my own? |
| 07:42.14 | nsadmin | yes, that's what it seems like... also, you shouldn't compile it in --prefix=/usr |
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| 07:42.30 | nsadmin | maybe your home dir, or /usr/local |
| 07:42.59 | knadajkd | Of course |
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| 07:44.09 | nsadmin | anyway the gcc source has a file INSTALL which you should read, and you should check the existing gcc for the triplet the existing gcc was compiled with (host and target) |
| 07:44.17 | qubits | ok guys this is what aptitude decided to remove for some reason right before my raid volume disappeared: http://fpaste.org/xIOf/ |
| 07:44.44 | qubits | any ideas how i can resolve this? should i begin with reinstalling the apps? |
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| 07:45.11 | knadajkd | nsadmin: Thank you for your help |
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| 07:46.40 | johndescs | qubits: "NOT USED" probably the packages were marked as automatically installed, but as nothing depends upon them they were considered useless |
| 07:47.18 | nsadmin | knadajkd, sure; so if you use the existing libs and especially binutils, that new compiler should produce binaries that play well with others |
| 07:47.22 | rasusto | aptitude has a nasty hadit of automatically removing important things |
| 07:47.50 | ompaul | qubits: where will you reinstall them if the raid does not exist |
| 07:47.59 | nsadmin | it normally asks before doing so... did you read before saying yes? |
| 07:48.15 | qubits | nsadmin: could i ask you to advise in this situation |
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| 07:49.01 | qubits | oh |
| 07:49.05 | qubits | i had scrollback |
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| 07:49.11 | peterrooney | qubits: /var/log/dpkg |
| 07:49.25 | peterrooney | qubits: but scrollback trumps all. |
| 07:49.53 | qubits | ompaul: |
| 07:49.54 | nsadmin | with the ace of cpus! |
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| 07:50.03 | qubits | it was merely a data volume |
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| 07:50.31 | nsadmin | qubits, you're already in good hands, and I have to sleep :) |
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| 07:51.19 | johndescs | qubits: yeah, just reinstall, the packages were not purged so the config may stay be good |
| 07:51.19 | qubits | im thinking dmraid is what was removed |
| 07:51.36 | qubits | i cant remember if it was encrypted |
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| 07:51.50 | qubits | is there a way to see if it was encrypted |
| 07:52.16 | ompaul | qubits: reinstall all the packages but use apt-get did it ask you for a password to open the partition? |
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| 07:52.49 | ompaul | qubits: are you using wheezy (which is a guess cos I don't see you saying it in the scroll back |
| 07:53.40 | qubits | whats that command that gives your distro name |
| 07:53.51 | qubits | lsbinfo? |
| 07:54.10 | qubits | lucid |
| 07:54.19 | johndescs | lsb_release -c |
| 07:54.25 | qubits | it's lucid |
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| 07:54.52 | ompaul | qubits: so not debian then |
| 07:55.04 | qubits | sorry i thought backtrack was debian |
| 07:55.11 | ompaul | lucid is ubuntu |
| 07:55.17 | qubits | oh ok |
| 07:55.21 | ompaul | !basedoffdebian |
| 07:55.23 | qubits | i forget |
| 07:55.29 | ompaul | !ubuntu |
| 07:55.29 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 07:55.39 | qubits | i love debian |
| 07:55.41 | ompaul | and so forth |
| 07:55.47 | ompaul | you should use it then |
| 07:55.53 | qubits | aye |
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| 07:57.08 | thewanderer1 | is there any PDF editor in the repo which works? I've tried pdfedit, but it has more bugs than features... |
| 07:57.42 | qubits | suppose you could still tell me how to reconnect my raid volume? |
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| 07:57.49 | qubits | i think i had it all in a script |
| 07:57.53 | ompaul | backtrack might |
| 07:58.20 | qubits | what about ls sort by date |
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| 07:58.26 | drigolli3r | re |
| 07:59.34 | ompaul | !bt |
| 07:59.34 | dpkg | bt is, like, Bhutan, or <bluetooth>, or British Telecom, or <bittorrent>, or <BackTrack>, or <bttv>. |
| 07:59.40 | ompaul | !backtrack |
| 07:59.40 | dpkg | BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid (as of BackTrack 5), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. |
| 07:59.51 | ompaul | that's your support channel |
| 07:59.53 | qubits | psh |
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| 08:00.11 | ompaul | and your welcome |
| 08:00.18 | ompaul | you're even |
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| 08:05.35 | eziman | hellllllp! |
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| 08:06.41 | johndescs | nobody an advice for the grub upgrade problem? |
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| 08:07.38 | b_terry | b.terry@gmx.com |
| 08:08.04 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Is there any way to do `mcrypt` for a file from a script, providing a password without user interaction? |
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| 08:09.18 | thewanderer1 | to answer my own question: Inkscape edits PDF just fine... |
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| 08:12.17 | ectospasm | thewanderer1: I use Xournal for marking PDF (e.g., filling out PDF forms, etc.) |
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| 08:12.46 | thewanderer1 | ectospasm: yeah, couldn't do that cause I needed to correct a machine-font mistake :P |
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| 08:13.56 | ectospasm | thewanderer1: of course, I did not see your question, so... |
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| 08:14.36 | thewanderer1 | well, I needed to edit a PDF. pdfeditor almost worked, but not quite... |
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| 08:15.07 | ectospasm | thewanderer1: I'm impressed that Inkscape seems to have worked for you |
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| 08:21.43 | zW | Hi. |
| 08:21.46 | zW | Hi. I'm using nscd as I'm doing pam mysql. |
| 08:21.49 | zW | It crashed all the time. |
| 08:21.51 | zW | Would unscd be a good replacement ? |
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| 08:22.30 | thewanderer1 | pam? nscd? aren't the two unrelated? |
| 08:22.40 | thewanderer1 | unless you're doing nss-mysql, too |
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| 08:31.17 | zW | thewanderer1: yes I am. |
| 08:31.52 | zW | nevertheless, nscd is very buggy. |
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| 08:36.54 | thewanderer1 | yes - try unscd and replace libnss-mysql with libnss-mysql-bg |
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| 08:41.12 | zW | thewanderer1: why libnss-mysql-bg ? :) |
| 08:42.14 | thewanderer1 | zW: works better than libnss-mysql for me :P |
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| 08:50.31 | subb1 | Hi. I'm havng perfork apache 2.2.16 on debian server. I need to use apxs command, but it shows - not found. How to install this functionality? |
| 08:50.50 | subb1 | Please help |
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| 09:00.16 | gnarface | !apxs |
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| 09:02.57 | joltcan | subb1: you need to install the correct dev-package: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=apxs&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
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| 09:03.40 | joltcan | subb1: so apache2-prefork-dev, apache2-threaded-dev seems to be the one, you'll probably use the first one then |
| 09:04.11 | subb1 | joltcan, thanks a lot! You had just what I needed.. Yes, I will need the first one!! |
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| 10:06.49 | atomms | hi! is there a way, a bash command, to restore one single database from a full (--all-databases) mysqldump? |
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| 10:07.26 | fraff | hi all, I'm building a package, I'd like to import a file into gpg keyring in the preinst script without including this file in package list (dpkg -L), how can I do that ? |
| 10:07.48 | fraff | atomms: I think I'll have to use sed |
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| 10:09.02 | atomms | fraff: mysql command cannot do the job without previous filtering? |
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| 10:09.42 | fraff | atomms: I don't think so, ask on #mysql |
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| 10:11.14 | atomms | ok, but i'm afraid that is a sort of a private channel how can i log into #mysql? |
| 10:11.41 | Woet | atomms: /join #mysql |
| 10:12.15 | fraff | atomms: you have to be identified to join #mysql |
| 10:12.30 | fraff | atomms: wait, I found an old script that do the job |
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| 10:13.08 | atomms | fraff: ok! |
| 10:14.03 | fraff | atomms: that's sucks a bit and you'll have to rewrite some parts, but ... http://kfard.free.fr/mysql-grep.sh |
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| 10:17.13 | atomms | fraff: thanks so much, i'll give it a try |
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| 10:17.36 | atomms | by the way, how do i register in #mysql ? |
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| 10:17.54 | fraff | atomms: register in freenode |
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| 10:19.27 | atomms | well, i'm already registered in freenode but when i try to post to #mysql is says"#mysql Cannot send to channel" |
| 10:19.51 | ompaul | then is it a matter of getting a voice? |
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| 10:20.32 | fraff | #mysql has always been weird to me ... |
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| 10:23.29 | ompaul | there is no block on that channel |
| 10:23.39 | ompaul | unless you got yourself banned |
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| 10:26.59 | atomms | i can read but not write, i'm mean i can see my text but afterwards there is "#mysql Cannot send to channel" |
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| 10:27.37 | atomms | do i have to use something different to /join mysql |
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| 10:28.26 | nkuttler | atomms: you probably have to register your nick |
| 10:28.42 | nkuttler | atomms: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration |
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| 10:31.03 | ompaul | atomms: you have done /msg nickserv identify your-freenode-password-goes here ? |
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| 10:31.50 | atomms | ompaul: i did not (only i registered) go for it |
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| 10:32.29 | ompaul | atomms: if you don't do that you are not identified to the network |
| 10:32.56 | ompaul | and you need to do that too so you can talk in channels that require registration |
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| 10:33.14 | ompaul | atomms: register - then identify yourself |
| 10:33.35 | ompaul | atomms: and I see you tere |
| 10:33.38 | ompaul | there even |
| 10:33.46 | atomms | ompaul: done it! thank you |
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| 10:34.10 | ompaul | atomms: look at your irc client there is most likely a way to do that when join the network |
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| 10:41.21 | MaxFrames | hello |
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| 10:42.06 | MaxFrames | any idea on what can cause nfs-common to _sometimes_ (approx 2 times out of 3) fail to start at boot time? |
| 10:42.13 | MaxFrames | the second attempt usually succeeds |
| 10:42.30 | MaxFrames | (debian squeeze) |
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| 11:11.59 | {g} | Hello! Whats the way to install debian testing these days? |
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| 11:12.23 | vizzy | hi, i upgarde to wheezy from squeeze because squeeze has tooo old kde. now its fine. but i need ia32-libs for lotus notes, .. when install them, apt-get tells me it wants to autoremove hundreds of packages, including very essential packages |
| 11:12.31 | {g} | Should I download this? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-i386-netinst.iso |
| 11:12.35 | vizzy | how can i fix this? is this an issue of current testing? |
| 11:12.52 | {g} | Will it boot from an usb stick? Will I be able to use my wlan router? |
| 11:12.54 | vizzy | g, yes |
| 11:13.11 | Calinou | <{g}> Should I download this? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-i386-netinst.iso |
| 11:13.14 | {g} | vizzy: ok, i will put it on an usb stick and try it. Will it work with wlan? |
| 11:13.15 | Calinou | that's stable not testing |
| 11:13.28 | vizzy | download netinstall, if you own exotiic or newer hardware you may need firmware no -free, so download a image with included firmware |
| 11:13.29 | Calinou | very, very old computers might not be able to boot from USB. |
| 11:13.37 | Calinou | pretty much any computer today can do this, so you do not have to worry |
| 11:13.41 | {g} | vizzy: When I installed debian 6 it was such a horror, including finding a cable to connect to my router. |
| 11:14.05 | vizzy | g then you can install from cd a minimalistic system (will explode anyway up to 800mb or so) |
| 11:14.18 | vizzy | g ack, full ack, derbian 6 is a pain |
| 11:14.31 | Calinou | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 11:14.37 | vizzy | g then you can change apt sources list and change from squeeze to testing, or wheezy |
| 11:14.37 | Calinou | daily build of netinst amd64 testing |
| 11:14.47 | Calinou | worked fine for me. |
| 11:14.53 | {g} | vizzy: hey, the link i pointed to seems to be debian 6. where is the testing? |
| 11:15.07 | Calinou | {g}, told you |
| 11:15.15 | vizzy | ah oh uh, that would have saved me days of trouble installing squeeze and upgrade to wheezy :P |
| 11:15.19 | Calinou | it's a netinst, you probably have to use ethernet :P |
| 11:15.27 | Calinou | vizzy, of course :} |
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| 11:15.41 | vizzy | g i had explained you how to get from stable to testing, whats wrong with that? |
| 11:15.54 | {g} | Calinou: now i see. irssi didnt highlight my name with the <> around it. |
| 11:15.57 | vizzy | i didnt knew about the testing cd , hmpf :) |
| 11:16.08 | Calinou | irssi... smells. |
| 11:16.09 | {g} | vizzy: why not install testing directly? |
| 11:16.28 | Calinou | {g}, you can put that .iso on an USB using unetbootin |
| 11:16.29 | vizzy | g i dont know it better until now |
| 11:17.10 | tremon | !usb install |
| 11:17.11 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 11:17.27 | vizzy | ok, any idea about ia32-libs in testing? |
| 11:17.40 | vizzy | is it broken? |
| 11:17.43 | tremon | vizzy: dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 11:17.54 | tremon | then try again |
| 11:18.12 | {g} | Calinou: your link seems to be for amd |
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| 11:18.26 | vizzy | tremon: cool, that works |
| 11:18.44 | Calinou | {g}, amd64 works on intel CPUs, as long as they are for 64 bit |
| 11:18.53 | Calinou | amd64 = 64 bit "generic" CPUs, intel/amd |
| 11:19.00 | Calinou | i386 = 32 bit "generic" CPUs, intel/amd |
| 11:19.03 | vizzy | for some funny reason derbian still calls 64bit an amd... :P |
| 11:19.08 | {g} | Calinou: its an old notebook, i guess it does not have 64 bit. |
| 11:19.09 | Calinou | if your computer is recent, use amd64, your CPU probably is 64 bit |
| 11:19.16 | Calinou | then choose i386 |
| 11:19.22 | tremon | vizzy: multiarch is still young and rough around the edges, you may run into uninstallable packages from time to time |
| 11:19.27 | {g} | Calinou: i dont see a netinstall in the i386 folder. |
| 11:19.49 | engla | vizzy: because AMD invented the amd64 arch |
| 11:19.50 | vizzy | g get a full iso image then |
| 11:20.17 | Calinou | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 11:20.19 | vizzy | engla: oh, before sparc? :) |
| 11:20.21 | {g} | vizzy: the CD1 iso in the i386 folder? |
| 11:20.23 | Calinou | more accurately: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 11:20.36 | Calinou | full ISO? just no, lol |
| 11:20.58 | tremon | vizzy: sun didn't invent amd64 |
| 11:21.11 | vizzy | and amd didnt invent 64 bit :) |
| 11:21.26 | engla | vizzy: amd invented amd64, I said |
| 11:21.27 | tremon | no one said they did |
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| 11:21.51 | vizzy | however, its confusing anyway |
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| 11:22.28 | {g} | Calinou: ok. what means "arch"? |
| 11:22.40 | Calinou | architecture. not archlinux :P |
| 11:22.52 | {g} | Calinou: "architecture latest"? |
| 11:23.03 | ascii_ | Hello |
| 11:23.04 | engla | If you are unsure about i386/amd64, why not get the hybrid iso: debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 11:23.12 | Calinou | {g}, the iso is for a specific architecture |
| 11:23.20 | Calinou | engla, pretty sure he's on i386 |
| 11:23.23 | Calinou | also, that's stable |
| 11:23.25 | Calinou | he wants _testing_ |
| 11:23.28 | Calinou | and upgrading sucks |
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| 11:23.42 | engla | upgrading sucks? Never heard that about debian before |
| 11:23.46 | {g} | Calinou: aha. ok. |
| 11:23.58 | ascii_ | my log is filling up with: php5: /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.2: no version information available (required by php5) after server upgrade |
| 11:24.01 | Calinou | engla, already tried upgrading on ubuntu |
| 11:24.02 | Calinou | > broken |
| 11:24.12 | nkuttler | and the testing installer is constantly broken because it's not built to install testing.. |
| 11:24.14 | engla | Calinou: is ubuntu debian? |
| 11:24.14 | Calinou | > "reinstall FTW" comitted to my brain |
| 11:24.18 | Calinou | no, it isn't. |
| 11:24.29 | javierHund | i tried to upgrade to test version a month ago |
| 11:24.37 | javierHund | fucked up my installation brutally |
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| 11:24.47 | javierHund | so much failed and was broken that i gave up |
| 11:24.59 | nkuttler | javierHund: you shouldn't run testing if you can't fix breakage |
| 11:25.07 | javierHund | i noticed that :) |
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| 11:25.33 | javierHund | iam not complaining |
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| 11:25.51 | javierHund | or wait. it wasnt even test it was "just" unstable-ish |
| 11:26.01 | Calinou | you should run testing if you yell about outdated packages. ©: |
| 11:26.27 | nkuttler | Calinou: that's bad advice |
| 11:26.44 | Calinou | backports suck |
| 11:26.59 | javierHund | hehe |
| 11:27.04 | nkuttler | Calinou: are you just here to spread misinformation? |
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| 11:27.21 | Calinou | no, I actually helped {g} |
| 11:27.30 | Calinou | op spotted! flee! retreat! |
| 11:27.58 | nkuttler | {g}: i hope you didn't get the testing installer? |
| 11:28.27 | Calinou | it worked for me |
| 11:28.40 | Calinou | you could try the older "alpha1" testing installer. it might work better |
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| 11:30.11 | mietek | Is it possible to install packages from wheezy on squeeze? |
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| 11:30.20 | Calinou | you can use backports. or you could upgrade to wheezy |
| 11:30.33 | stew | mietek: /msg dpkg backports |
| 11:30.42 | {g} | nkuttler: i downloaded this: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 11:30.47 | mietek | Unfortunately, haskell-platform isn't in backports |
| 11:30.55 | nkuttler | {g}: well, good luck then |
| 11:31.05 | {g} | nkuttler: now i put it on an usb stick with dd if=debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 11:31.08 | {g} | nkuttler: why? |
| 11:31.25 | nkuttler | {g}: why don't you want to run stable? |
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| 11:32.01 | stew | {g}: well you are going to be testing the installer which is still under active development, and breaks often |
| 11:32.03 | Calinou | because updated packages and newer kernel and stuff |
| 11:32.23 | {g} | nkuttler: i already have stable. lots of stuff is not working anymore. youtube-dl and my new logitech headset for example. |
| 11:32.26 | stew | {g}: its not the recommended way of installing testing (which itself is not recommended) |
| 11:32.42 | Calinou | upgrading SUCKS, period. it breaks your system more than the installer |
| 11:32.43 | nkuttler | {g}: indeed. you want to install stable and upgrade to testing |
| 11:32.47 | tremon | !tell {g} about squeeze->wheezy |
| 11:32.48 | stew | Calinou: stop |
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| 11:33.09 | stew | Calinou: you can't predict something like that. especially with a daily installer. |
| 11:33.14 | nkuttler | Calinou: at least you *have* a system. with the installer you can have a system that doesn't boot |
| 11:33.25 | nkuttler | with the testing installer |
| 11:33.28 | {g} | nkuttler: sounds strange to me. why not install from scratch? installing debian 6 was such a pain. i had to find a cable to connect to my router. |
| 11:33.29 | engla | Calinou: if you don't like upgrading, you shouldn't use testing to begin with |
| 11:33.35 | Calinou | yeah, people with 15 year old sparc computers |
| 11:33.41 | nkuttler | {g}: stew just told you |
| 11:33.45 | tralala | Calinou, it doesn't if you follow the instructions or know what you're doing. |
| 11:34.13 | stew | {g}: if you want to try your luck with one of the development installers, make sure to read the errata |
| 11:34.21 | nkuttler | {g}: if you need an installer with wireless support because you don't want to get a cable there are other alternatives |
| 11:35.03 | {g} | rebooting the notebook... (the one i want to run testing on. not this one) |
| 11:35.14 | Calinou | or, you can try the alpha1 installer; it can be less buggy sometimes |
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| 11:36.09 | {g} | it booted from the stick... choosing "install"... |
| 11:36.20 | Calinou | lol, text install |
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| 11:37.03 | {g} | Calinou: something wrong with text? |
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| 11:38.26 | Calinou | yes, GUIs FTW |
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| 11:39.09 | stew | {g}: no, the gui installer is the same installer with nicer fonts and less chance of working. they ask exactly the same questions and do exactly the same things otherwise |
| 11:39.30 | stew | Calinou: what exactly do you think is wrong with the text installer? |
| 11:39.41 | Calinou | it's harder to use and confusing |
| 11:39.52 | {g} | looks like the installer failed. it asked for language and stuff and now only shows a blue screen. |
| 11:40.04 | stew | Calinou: how is it harder? |
| 11:40.06 | Calinou | *get real hardware music playing* |
| 11:40.08 | nkuttler | {g}: hence the suggestion to get the stable installer.. |
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| 11:40.35 | Calinou | stew, because, at certain places (haven't tried), I'm certain you have to up-down-up-down as suggested by someone (partitioning) |
| 11:41.02 | stew | Calinou: what do you mean by "up-down-up-down"? |
| 11:41.07 | {g} | nkuttler: wouldnt it be easier to dd my stable partition to a new partition, boot that copy and update it to testing? |
| 11:41.16 | Calinou | aka, hard, confusing stuff. I'll NEVER do partitioning in textm ode |
| 11:41.38 | nkuttler | {g}: hm? you already have stable installed on the box? |
| 11:41.49 | {g} | nkuttler: yes. i mentioned it before. |
| 11:42.04 | {g} | nkuttler: i just find it very strange to not install a new os from scratch. |
| 11:42.09 | nkuttler | {g}: sounds like a possibility, but i'd just run the installer |
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| 11:42.28 | {g} | nkuttler: the stable installer? and then update to testing? that sounds so strange to me. |
| 11:42.45 | nkuttler | {g}: install stable, install all the tools you want to use, then upgrade |
| 11:43.09 | {g} | nkuttler: isnt that the same as cloning my working 6.0 version and upgrade it? |
| 11:43.18 | {g} | nkuttler: i dont want to go find a cat5 cable. |
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| 11:43.29 | nkuttler | {g}: sounds like a possibility, but i'd just run the installer |
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| 11:43.57 | Calinou | or, you could download a single 600MB CD |
| 11:44.00 | {g} | nkuttler: why? |
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| 11:44.06 | Calinou | (does it have the entire "base" operating system, with the DE & stuff?) |
| 11:44.06 | {g} | Calinou: where is it? |
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| 11:44.25 | {g} | tries "expert graphical install" |
| 11:44.30 | Pennis | hiya! |
| 11:44.34 | Calinou | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 11:44.45 | {g} | Calinou: thats a folder. |
| 11:44.48 | stew | Pennis: if you have anything actually on topic, feel free to pm me |
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| 11:44.49 | Calinou | got very scared |
| 11:44.49 | nkuttler | {g}: because i've done this many times and simply doing the damn install is usually the fastest |
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| 11:44.59 | daniel-s | !--prefix |
| 11:45.05 | daniel-s | !dpkg --prefix |
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| 11:45.11 | nkuttler | Calinou: you're too subtle |
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| 11:45.27 | daniel-s | :( |
| 11:45.27 | Calinou | nkuttler, I'm not sure, but about this page, does the first CD contain the base stuff, such as the DE? |
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| 11:45.41 | daniel-s | how do I get dpkg to tell me about using --prefix when I make install things |
| 11:45.50 | daniel-s | also, what? |
| 11:45.55 | nkuttler | Calinou: afaik popcon determines what's on the first cd, /msg dpkg popcon |
| 11:45.57 | daniel-s | where did everyone go all of a sudden? |
| 11:45.57 | Calinou | just don't use make install :P |
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| 11:46.15 | daniel-s | Calinou: I don't like your non-solutin :( |
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| 11:46.19 | stew | Calinou: it contains the base stuff, you'll have to say what you mean by "the DE" |
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| 11:47.53 | nkuttler | daniel-s: ./configure --help |
| 11:48.12 | daniel-s | where should I be putting software that I have compiled from source? /opt/software_name ? |
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| 11:48.21 | {g} | Im really without any distro to recommend to friends these days. Ubuntu completely fucked it up with unity and debian is still only for nerds. After 12 years, for the first time I will check out windows again. |
| 11:48.23 | daniel-s | ie. ./configure --prefix=/opt/package ? |
| 11:48.24 | nkuttler | daniel-s: what are you building from source and why? |
| 11:48.40 | daniel-s | the vtk toolkit |
| 11:48.45 | Calinou | stew, erm, X, and gnome/kde/whatever? |
| 11:48.51 | daniel-s | I know there's a package in debian already |
| 11:49.00 | daniel-s | I wanted to try to build it myself |
| 11:49.07 | nkuttler | !tell daniel-s about fhs |
| 11:49.33 | stew | Calinou: it has X. depending on which cd it has gnome or kde or xfce. /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 11:49.41 | stew | Calinou: note that all this stuff is not part of the base system |
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| 11:51.00 | {g} | Looks like "detect network hardware" is where the installer hangs. |
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| 11:52.30 | stew | {g}: the daily installer? did you check the errata? |
| 11:52.47 | Calinou | use the "alpha1" installer then. |
| 11:52.55 | {g} | Calinou: where is that one? |
| 11:54.13 | stew | if you use that one, also check the errata, the alpha installer is also known to be buggy |
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| 11:54.38 | Calinou | maybe less buggy depending on your hardware |
| 11:55.08 | Calinou | netinst: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_alpha1/i386/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-a1-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 11:55.23 | Calinou | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_alpha1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 11:55.24 | Calinou | CD |
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| 12:06.29 | balboah | how do you figure out how much free space an lvm snapshot has? as in how much more data it can keep track of changes for |
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| 12:06.52 | bluesm | Hey. |
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| 12:07.26 | bluesm | Do you know how I can limit the bandwidth for particular program (such as Iceweasel or Chrome ) for testing my site ? |
| 12:07.48 | abrotman | bluesm: trickle or wondershaper |
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| 12:07.55 | bluesm | You know I want to know what is minimal speed to proper working my website. |
| 12:08.04 | tremon | balboah: lvs |
| 12:08.39 | abrotman | that's never a good test :) |
| 12:08.50 | bluesm | ? |
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| 12:08.55 | bluesm | Why not ? |
| 12:09.02 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:09.05 | abrotman | if you have to test, sounds too big! :) |
| 12:09.28 | abrotman | "Best viewed at 33.6kbps or higher" :) |
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| 12:09.57 | balboah | tremon: great stuff, thanks |
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| 12:10.43 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.18 | bluesm | Sentence after sentence (with html5). |
| 12:11.49 | Calinou | audio sites? please don't make those |
| 12:11.57 | Calinou | I want to punch the authors of those |
| 12:12.10 | bluesm | But it is not background sounds... |
| 12:12.14 | bluesm | It's a content. |
| 12:12.17 | bluesm | Never mind. |
| 12:12.20 | Calinou | still |
| 12:12.24 | Calinou | don't make them automatically play |
| 12:12.29 | bluesm | ok. |
| 12:12.30 | bluesm | Sure |
| 12:12.40 | Dmitrijus | bluesm: i'm sure there is a browser extension just for that |
| 12:12.44 | abrotman | bluesm: could you design the internet for Calinou ? |
| 12:12.51 | abrotman | bluesm: just start from scratch .. |
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| 12:13.12 | abrotman | Dmitrijus: there are some, but what if your viewer isn't using that browser? |
| 12:13.15 | grifx | Hello all |
| 12:13.19 | Calinou | hi |
| 12:13.20 | grifx | I've got a problem |
| 12:13.39 | dvs | yay!\ |
| 12:13.49 | grifx | I had 2 netbeans, : 7.0.1 and 7.1 |
| 12:13.52 | bluesm | Calinou??? |
| 12:14.07 | Calinou | what? |
| 12:14.08 | grifx | And I don't remember if it's me but i've just 1 icon on my gnome3 |
| 12:14.16 | Dmitrijus | abrotman: should be enough for him |
| 12:14.22 | grifx | and it's for netbeans 7.0.1 not the 7.1 |
| 12:14.34 | abrotman | Dmitrijus: him perhaps .. perhaps not his readers .. |
| 12:14.46 | grifx | I think i delete the icon shortcut |
| 12:14.51 | abrotman | grifx: do both binaries still exist on your box ? |
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| 12:15.39 | grifx | abrotman: when i'm in the terminal when i type netb tabtab |
| 12:15.48 | abrotman | and? |
| 12:15.48 | grifx | that write netbeans |
| 12:15.55 | abrotman | so there's only one ? |
| 12:15.59 | grifx | yes |
| 12:16.08 | grifx | I don't know where is the other one |
| 12:16.08 | abrotman | where did you install them to ? |
| 12:16.19 | abrotman | do you have install logs? |
| 12:16.22 | grifx | i run the .sh |
| 12:16.36 | grifx | ran * |
| 12:16.48 | grifx | humm where are install logs |
| 12:17.02 | abrotman | i don't use netbeans, i'm asking you |
| 12:17.03 | grifx | i'm a beginner in debian |
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| 12:17.41 | grifx | is there a commandline to search a folder called netbeans |
| 12:17.45 | grifx | ? |
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| 12:19.04 | abrotman | man find |
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| 12:21.03 | grifx | find * -type d -name netbe* ... i wait |
| 12:22.34 | abrotman | grifx: probably "find . -type d -name netba*" |
| 12:23.12 | grifx | ./.netbeans/7.1.2/config/Preferences/org/netbeans |
| 12:23.18 | nkuttler | you should probably use quotes if you use * |
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| 12:23.50 | grifx | i found but ... how can i run this one now |
| 12:24.01 | abrotman | grifx: that's just a config directory .. |
| 12:24.15 | nkuttler | grifx: netbeans comes with a binary if you install the package |
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| 12:24.31 | bluesm | What -hvVs mean ? |
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| 12:24.52 | nkuttler | bluesm: nothing. could be some options for a command |
| 12:24.52 | abrotman | bluesm: might want some contenxt there |
| 12:24.57 | bluesm | in trickle |
| 12:25.16 | abrotman | -h means display help |
| 12:25.20 | abrotman | did you man trickle ? |
| 12:25.20 | dawud | man trickle |
| 12:25.20 | grifx | nkuttler: Where is neatbeans by default |
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| 12:25.29 | bluesm | yeap. |
| 12:25.36 | bluesm | http://text.krona.tm/post/9130181020/throttling-spotify-bandwidth |
| 12:25.44 | nkuttler | grifx: i'd assume /usr/bin/, but dpkg -L netbeans | grep bin or something |
| 12:26.01 | grifx | ./usr/local/netbeans-7.1.2 |
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| 12:26.08 | grifx | i found that |
| 12:26.16 | abrotman | any others? |
| 12:26.16 | nkuttler | grifx: so you're not using the debian netbeans package |
| 12:26.47 | grifx | i run the .sh file that i downloaded on the netbeans website |
| 12:27.00 | grifx | because 7.1 don't exist on debian |
| 12:27.17 | nkuttler | grifx: you'll have to talk to netbeans support then, it's their package |
| 12:27.32 | grifx | ok |
| 12:27.42 | grifx | but how can i create a shortcut icon |
| 12:27.45 | grifx | on my desk |
| 12:28.02 | grifx | to run my 7.1.2 debian |
| 12:28.18 | grifx | netbeans |
| 12:28.35 | nkuttler | grifx: no idea, i don't use icons |
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| 12:29.20 | engla | grifx: which desktop environment ndo you use? |
| 12:29.37 | grifx | gnome3 |
| 12:30.03 | grifx | ./usr/local/netbeans-7.1.2/bin/netbeans and this is the line to run my application |
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| 12:30.49 | engla | doesn't know g3 |
| 12:30.50 | vizzy | will openoffice in wheezy install libreoffice instead? |
| 12:31.15 | engla | yes |
| 12:31.19 | vizzy | ouch |
| 12:31.29 | grifx | gnome3 rocks... |
| 12:31.35 | grifx | but not to create an icon |
| 12:31.41 | vizzy | lol |
| 12:31.53 | Calinou | vizzy, yes |
| 12:32.12 | vizzy | is there a native openoffice available in derbian? |
| 12:32.39 | dvs | vizzy: only for squeeze |
| 12:33.07 | nkuttler | vizzy: hasn't for years, if you really want it get it from oracle i guess |
| 12:33.13 | vizzy | the gui of libreoffice in wheezy looks like chewing gum |
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| 12:33.36 | nkuttler | doesn't squeeze have ooo fork? |
| 12:34.12 | vizzy | i selected openoffice, but got lbre office instead, more a fake than a fork |
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| 12:34.50 | nkuttler | vizzy: libreoffice is where the development is happening, and installing libreoffice instead of openoffice is a feature |
| 12:35.33 | vizzy | i dont find libreoffice very useable |
| 12:35.38 | engla | vizzy: debian used libreoffice's pre-fork (go-ooo) before libreoffice existed |
| 12:35.41 | vizzy | but ok, i dont want to complain |
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| 12:36.21 | engla | debian used http://go-oo.org/ |
| 12:36.39 | vizzy | k, ill get an oo then from eeevil oracle |
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| 12:37.56 | Calinou | vizzy, lol. |
| 12:39.06 | vizzy | hmmm, oracle? its called apache now, i mentioned that before.... does oracle give the project to apache? or did oracle buy apache foundation? :O |
| 12:39.23 | vizzy | linux and foss poilitics are confusing me |
| 12:39.59 | Calinou | no, oracle is the sister of oracle and the brother of the father of the mother of the son of apache |
| 12:40.32 | vizzy | oh, bill gates uncle? or steve jobs reincarantion maybe.... |
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| 12:43.46 | Guest70168 | Is there a debian analogue of the RedHat system-config-network-tui? A text based networking configuration tool? |
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| 12:44.32 | NoobIam | has anyone used ncat before?? |
| 12:44.32 | stew | Guest70168: no. there are curses based frontends to tools like network-manager or wicd, or there is a text editor editing /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:44.45 | tralala | netcat? |
| 12:44.55 | fbh | Nope, no one has ever used netcat. |
| 12:45.00 | NoobIam | :P |
| 12:45.15 | Guest70168 | stew: thanks |
| 12:45.43 | NoobIam | got a question about it if anyone can help |
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| 12:46.01 | dvs | !ask |
| 12:46.01 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 12:46.02 | stew | unfortunately we can't help without the question |
| 12:46.20 | dvs | stew: You don't have a crystal ball? ;-P |
| 12:46.27 | stew | i do |
| 12:46.30 | stew | but those things are over-hyped |
| 12:46.35 | dvs | heh |
| 12:46.36 | tralala | I have one, but it's at home. |
| 12:47.00 | dvs | cheaped out and got a magic 8-ball instead |
| 12:47.31 | tralala | dvs, it will do for a netcat question. |
| 12:48.03 | dvs | "all things point to no" |
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| 12:48.22 | ManoftheSea | I have a problem with bluetooth in Wheezy. It started recently, my bluetooth headset connects, but does not show up as an audio output option. When I disconnect and reconnect, the bluetooth menu gets wedged at "connecting". I expect it not to wedge, and to allow me to play audio via a2dp to my headset. |
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| 12:48.45 | NoobIam | ok then, simple command ncat -l -p 1717 --keep-open --sh-exec "echo test" & works when I run in terminal but cant get it to start on boot |
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| 12:51.02 | tremon | NoobIam: is the network up "on boot" ? |
| 12:51.11 | nmschulte | Hi all. I'm receiving lines as follows from dmesg: [ 15.960551] EDAC MC0: CE row 0, channel 1, label "": (Branch=0 DRAM-Bank=1 RDWR=Read RAS=12581 CAS=1008, CE Err=0x2000 (Correctable Non-Mirrored Demand Data ECC)) |
| 12:51.50 | nmschulte | I know this means that there was a correctable issue with my memory, but how do I go about determining which DIMM is acting up? |
| 12:51.54 | tralala | NoobIam, how do you execute it on boot? |
| 12:51.58 | NoobIam | I believe so, I am running in rc3.d S99ncat_test |
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| 12:52.06 | vizzy | dram bank 1? |
| 12:52.39 | vizzy | nmschulte: have a look at your mobo and locate ram bank 1 |
| 12:52.51 | nmschulte | vizzy: Can do. Is it really that simple? |
| 12:53.23 | NoobIam | created a script that runs ok when I run /etc/init.d/ncat_test start in terminal |
| 12:53.25 | vizzy | nmschulte: i think so |
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| 12:53.50 | nmschulte | vizzy: Alright, I'll give it a shot. Thank you. |
| 12:53.52 | vizzy | nmschulte: it may be that 2 banks are labeled with bank1, taht means its paired. sry for my english |
| 12:53.56 | tralala | NoobIam, default runlevel on debian is 2 |
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| 12:54.06 | nmschulte | vizzy: I understand. |
| 12:54.07 | tralala | is it enabled in L2? |
| 12:54.10 | NoobIam | yes sorry I ment rc2.d |
| 12:54.32 | NoobIam | used update-rc.s ncat_test defaults |
| 12:54.53 | vizzy | nmschulte: what i mean is that bank 1 can hold 2 dimms/rams |
| 12:55.16 | nmschulte | vizzy: You're thinking along the lines of dual channel, yes? |
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| 12:55.59 | NoobIam | typo with update-rc.d |
| 12:56.27 | tralala | NoobIam, 1) add some logging to the script to make sure it runs at boot, 2) try using full paths for the executables |
| 12:56.27 | vizzy | nmschulte: yepp |
| 12:56.29 | {g} | I could swear the screen is darker in kde then in gnome. even though the notebooks screen-luminance is set to full. Whats that? |
| 12:57.32 | nmschulte | vizzy: Understood. I just looked at another (same) motherboard; the eight slots are labeled DIMM-1 through DIMM-8; so it looks like I'll try replacing the DIMM 1 module. |
| 12:57.43 | vizzy | :) |
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| 12:58.00 | NoobIam | thanks tralala will do some reading on logging then :P |
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| 12:58.18 | nmschulte | vizzy: Thanks! Rebooting. |
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| 12:59.02 | tralala | NoobIam, just put some echo's in the script. E.g. echo "ncat scripts starts" > /tmp/ncat.log |
| 12:59.47 | NoobIam | ok thanks will try that now |
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| 13:03.26 | NoobIam | tralala I assume that that would create the ncat.log file if it was starting at boot correct? |
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| 13:06.30 | tralala | of course |
| 13:06.43 | NoobIam | guessing that it didnt run then |
| 13:06.43 | nmschulte | vizzy: Looks like that worked. Thanks again. |
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| 13:07.48 | tralala | is it executable? |
| 13:08.29 | NoobIam | I did chmod 755, I can execute it when I run /etc/init.d/ncat_test start |
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| 13:39.13 | JordiGH | Sigh, freeze time... |
| 13:39.20 | JordiGH | experimental is the new unstable... |
| 13:39.38 | JordiGH | Because unstable is now "wheezy-backports" |
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| 13:40.05 | dvs | heh |
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| 13:41.15 | jelly-home | slushy |
| 13:41.32 | jelly-home | !slushy |
| 13:41.33 | dpkg | When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>. |
| 13:43.11 | JordiGH | Yeah, why can't they do this in a different branch? |
| 13:43.27 | stew | JordiGH: manpower |
| 13:43.59 | abrotman | JordiGH: are you going to step up and help do it? |
| 13:44.00 | JordiGH | Is it that much manpower to create wheezy-backports at freeze time and to move from wheezy-backports into testing during freeze time? |
| 13:44.33 | abrotman | JordiGH: There are also other distros you can use if Debian isn't to your liking .. |
| 13:44.53 | JordiGH | Sigh, my liking is fine. Is my proposal too much work? |
| 13:45.38 | stew | its work, its not huge |
| 13:45.49 | stew | but we're probably going to attack it from a different angle |
| 13:46.04 | tralala | debian rolling? |
| 13:46.11 | stew | and make things around experimental more interesting |
| 13:46.18 | tralala | oh |
| 13:46.20 | untrusted | semi-off-topic: need some advice on linux vm tuning: i have a app basically mmapping a ssd read-only and i want those pages to be unmapped first - how? |
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| 13:48.03 | stew | which I'd be helping with more if these babies didn't start escaping from my wife |
| 13:48.20 | JordiGH | Oh, are you about to breed? |
| 13:49.34 | stew | i've got a 3 year old and a negative 2 week old |
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| 13:50.26 | JordiGH | stew: I see. |
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| 14:08.13 | nickprzemo | can this be configured: deny logging into user X using password from either ssh or su (only allow publickey ssh)? |
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| 14:09.09 | nickprzemo | also, allow su into user Y only from user X, not from other users nor from ssh password |
| 14:09.35 | abrotman | you can use the wheel group for the su |
| 14:09.40 | ksk | hello. |
| 14:09.41 | zinx | nickprzemo: not sure, but i would guess ssh won't allow a user with a disabled password to log in |
| 14:09.43 | abrotman | and you can turn off passwords for all logins |
| 14:09.53 | JordiGH | nickprzemo: Yeah, ssh_configd(5) |
| 14:10.09 | JordiGH | I mean, sshd_config(5) |
| 14:10.16 | nickprzemo | any of this methods will disallow user X to do "su Y" and enter Y's password? |
| 14:10.19 | zinx | nickprzemo: it sounds like you want sudo, not su |
| 14:10.20 | ksk | where does the source (or better the "TELL $IP"-part) in an ARP-request under debian come from? is there a way to change it? |
| 14:10.24 | nickprzemo | zinx: no, I want su |
| 14:10.49 | zinx | nickprzemo: well, su doesn't have that sort of configuration :x |
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| 14:11.03 | zinx | nickprzemo: sudo does, and can run a shell (and even be restricted to only running a shell) |
| 14:11.18 | abrotman | !tell nickprzemo about whelelk |
| 14:11.25 | abrotman | !tell nickprzemo about wheel |
| 14:11.28 | nickprzemo | so in debian there is no way to disallow logging to user X once you know X password? |
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| 14:11.43 | nickprzemo | abrotman: I do not want to restrict sudo. |
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| 14:13.17 | nickprzemo | turning off passwords for all ssh logins is some help, but not all that is needed to disallow logging into user X... |
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| 14:13.32 | metaphysician | Thou shall stand up for your freedom to install free software. |
| 14:14.54 | JordiGH | nickprzemo: Why don't you just give everyone an invalid password? |
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| 14:15.22 | JordiGH | nickprzemo: Perhaps what you want is in login.defs(5) |
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| 14:23.25 | nickprzemo | JordiGH: I want to set following way to log into user Z: ssh (using pubkey) into user X --> sudo (no password) into user Y --> sudo (password) into user Z |
| 14:23.52 | nkuttler | nickprzemo: why? |
| 14:23.53 | JordiGH | nickprzemo: So give Z and X invalid passwords. |
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| 14:24.11 | JordiGH | nickprzemo: Put a ! in front of their hash in /etc/passwd |
| 14:24.17 | nickprzemo | JordiGH, nkuttler : so person has to have pubkey(&passphrase) as well as extra password to log into Z, and also it is 3 step operation givin opportunities to do additional logging or whatever |
| 14:24.44 | JordiGH | nickprzemo: That's security theatre, btw, more than one key to the same door. |
| 14:24.44 | nkuttler | yeah, and more opportunities for people to post-it their passwords to their monitor |
| 14:24.52 | nickprzemo | JordiGH: but it will allow still user Q to log into user Y using password and then sudo into Z |
| 14:25.09 | nkuttler | and how will you configure sudo btw? |
| 14:25.22 | nickprzemo | JordiGH: so any local user knowing the extra-password can log in, not only user X (who requires pubkey) |
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| 14:25.52 | nkuttler | a local user can take out the hard disk and do whatever he likes |
| 14:26.07 | nickprzemo | nkuttler: that is why first you have to log into X, using public key (and maybe VPN or IP restriction if we need) |
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| 14:26.21 | nickprzemo | nkuttler: by local user I mean someone using unrelated shell on user Q |
| 14:26.25 | nkuttler | well, like JordiGH said, security theatre |
| 14:26.30 | nickprzemo | or exploited server running as user Q |
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| 14:27.18 | nickprzemo | JordiGH: in example Debian allowed anyone to log into user X |
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| 14:27.25 | nickprzemo | by generating predictable ssh keys |
| 14:27.28 | nickprzemo | for 2 years |
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| 14:28.19 | nickprzemo | heaving an extra step would stop such debian exploit allowing anyone in the world to obtain user Z, so it seems usable, not just security theatre |
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| 14:30.17 | nickprzemo | JordiGH: do you know of any other method that would stop anyone from gaining user Z rights in case if similar exploit/bug in ssh would arise, as it happened previously? |
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| 14:31.00 | nkuttler | nickprzemo: that bug still required brute forcing, a valid username etc |
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| 14:32.10 | nickprzemo | nkuttler: and you say this would stop anyone willing to really break in? |
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| 14:33.12 | nkuttler | nickprzemo: no, but security has many layers and there are ways to prevent such attacks |
| 14:33.34 | nickprzemo | nkuttler: what way better then to require additional password? |
| 14:33.44 | nkuttler | nickprzemo: that's probably the worst way |
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| 14:34.02 | nickprzemo | nkuttler: and your better way would be...? |
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| 14:34.31 | travisgriggs | i'm trying to apt-get install ntp on an arm single board computer running lenny, and getting the error i just pasted to #flood |
| 14:34.35 | nkuttler | nickprzemo: fail2ban, proper sshd configuration, also read the securing debian manual |
| 14:34.47 | travisgriggs | any ideas or help on how to diagnose the problem would be a huge help to me... |
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| 14:35.10 | nkuttler | nickprzemo: and really, don't allow access from totally random IPs |
| 14:35.25 | nickprzemo | nkuttler: fail2ban will slow down the attack not block it. is there anything more in the manuals or are you just saying you do not know what else to do? |
| 14:35.50 | nickprzemo | nkuttler: users that access Z really do log in from totally random IPs. |
| 14:35.53 | jelly-home | travisgriggs: I'm not sure how #flood is supposed to work. Care to pastebin to a decent pastebin site eg. paste.debian.net or paste.ubuntu.com or (anything but pastebin.com)? |
| 14:36.08 | nkuttler | nickprzemo: it doesn't seem like you'd trust my input anyway |
| 14:36.31 | abrotman | #flood is easy, everyone joins and pastes :) |
| 14:36.33 | travisgriggs | http://paste.debian.net/178772/ |
| 14:36.49 | nickprzemo | nkuttler: sure I would but you just said my idea is bad and you do not provide any other idea for secuirng (from any IP) access to user Z considering that ssh-pubkey alone is not enough (in light of debian ssh generation bug in example) |
| 14:36.50 | travisgriggs | not many people in #flood tho |
| 14:36.59 | abrotman | HDD full? |
| 14:37.00 | mikeX | hi, fresh install with 3.2.0-3-amd64 and I cannot bring my wireless up because of RF-kill. rfkill list shows two interfaces, phy0 and hp-wifi, toggling the hardware switch toggles hard blocking on hp-wifi but not phy0, any ideas? |
| 14:37.02 | nickprzemo | *and fail2ban is slowing, not blocking |
| 14:37.11 | esto | is mysql ndb available in apt? |
| 14:37.18 | mikeX | (intel wireless, iwl4965) |
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| 14:38.17 | nkuttler | nickprzemo: slowing is more than enough for me. i'd get a report |
| 14:38.36 | ksk | hope you dont mind me asking again: where does the source (or better the "TELL $IP"-part) in an ARP-request under debian come from? is there a way to change it? |
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| 14:38.59 | nickprzemo | nkuttler: slowing bruteforce is not enough for me, is there are just 2000 tries and attacker can have multiply IPs. Do you know any way more secure then "lets hope 1/2000 is good enough"? |
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| 14:39.10 | fraff | anyone familiar with conffiles when creating a package ? mine is simply ignored (compat == 7) |
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| 14:40.03 | stew | fraff: can you be more specific? |
| 14:41.35 | fraff | when creating my package, I do a find etc -type f > debian/conffiles, then, I modify a configuration file and install the new version, no prompt, nothing, the modified file is kept silently |
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| 14:41.50 | ksk | nickprzemo: disable password login? |
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| 14:42.21 | nickprzemo | ksk: I want to have authentication into user Z, from remote, that reuires more credentials then just 1 public key |
| 14:42.42 | nickprzemo | because ssh is not 100% realible, well really no 1 layer is |
| 14:42.53 | ksk | also use hosts.allow/deny and/or firewalling |
| 14:42.55 | ksk | what is user Z? |
| 14:43.07 | nickprzemo | just an unix user on my system |
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| 14:43.30 | ksk | so you can use key-based authentication. |
| 14:43.38 | joltcan | nickprzemo: add a VPN? |
| 14:43.41 | nickprzemo | you mean ssh public key? |
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| 14:44.04 | nickprzemo | joltcan: hmm ok that too.. I guess |
| 14:44.05 | ksk | in combination with a privatekey, yes :> |
| 14:44.29 | joltcan | nickprzemo: OpenVPN is easy enough to setup |
| 14:44.42 | nickprzemo | ---VPN pass----VPN-----> ssh ----pubkey---> user Z so 2 credentials |
| 14:44.44 | fraff | stew: /var/lib/dpkg/info/dpk.conffiles exists and contains everything but is ignored when installed |
| 14:45.02 | stew | fraff: what makes you think it is ignored? |
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| 14:45.26 | nickprzemo | joltcan: I was thinking about something also after ssh public key login |
| 14:45.41 | gp5st | hello. i installed the dict package, where is the english dictionary? i grabed some of the other aux dictionaries, but can't find the generic english one |
| 14:45.52 | nickprzemo | joltcan: so idea was ---pubkey---> user X ---(sudo nopass)---> user Y ---(password)---> user Z |
| 14:45.58 | fraff | stew: sorry, I forgot to preced last sentence with your nick, did you read my answer at 16:41:37 ? |
| 14:46.12 | joltcan | nickprzemo: Ok, all other systems in the world handle authentication via SSH, either keys or user auth to another system (RADIUS, LDAP etc), so I'm not sure I can add anything to that |
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| 14:46.16 | nickprzemo | joltcan: problem is that in this method, also any other user P,Q,.... on the same server can directly su into Y. how to stop this |
| 14:46.20 | stew | oh |
| 14:46.35 | fraff | stew: my bad |
| 14:46.41 | joltcan | gp5st: apt-cache search ^dict ? |
| 14:46.50 | stew | fraff: you install a new version which contains an update to the conffile? |
| 14:46.52 | nickprzemo | joltcan: well I added :) but it creates the abovementioned problem |
| 14:47.01 | stew | fraff: or the same version of the conffile as the one you are upgrading from? |
| 14:47.02 | gp5st | is it the gcide one? it seems a bit old |
| 14:47.03 | jelly-home | fraff: since you're building your own package, make sure to increment the version |
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| 14:47.09 | joltcan | nickprzemo: You want root not to be able to su? |
| 14:47.19 | joltcan | nickprzemo: Or any other user to su if they know the password? |
| 14:47.20 | gp5st | joltcan: i was doing a tab completion search on dict- but i'll give that a shot as well |
| 14:47.34 | fraff | stew: same version ... (I think I begin to understand) |
| 14:47.35 | nickprzemo | joltcan: root is another case, but I was thinking about other ordinary shell users (other then X) being able to su into Y |
| 14:47.37 | jelly-home | fraff: if it's the exact same version dpkg makes some unexpected assumptions |
| 14:47.38 | fraff | jelly-home: I did |
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| 14:47.52 | nickprzemo | joltcan: yes the later cass |
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| 14:47.59 | joltcan | nickprzemo: In that case I would add a 2-factor authentication to that via pam. Like using a google account or a physical token |
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| 14:48.27 | joltcan | nickprzemo: We use that for password based SSH, they people need to verify their ID with their gmail account |
| 14:48.32 | joltcan | nickprzemo: pam imap |
| 14:48.37 | nickprzemo | joltcan: gmail and security :) |
| 14:48.44 | nickprzemo | I guess pam is some idea |
| 14:48.56 | stew | fraff: yeah, if the new version contains a new version of the conffile you'll see it do what you expect |
| 14:49.17 | stew | fraff: imagine if every update of every package asked you about every conffile, even when nothing has changed wrt that conffile |
| 14:49.31 | gp5st | i still don't seen an obvious canidate:-\ |
| 14:49.41 | nickprzemo | ok I guess user Y can have no password, and instead of doing sudo Z (and typing Y password), it would run some go_to_Z program, that would take his password and would grant him Z rights (gid program?) |
| 14:49.41 | joltcan | nickprzemo: nevermind gmail, google has the possiblity of using 2-factor auth, and you will then need your phone to verify a login. |
| 14:50.14 | fraff | stew: jelly-home: got it, thank you both |
| 14:50.30 | nickprzemo | but all this ideas are quite more complex so I wondered, is there no way to simply disallow "su Y" with Y's password, WHILE still allowing user Y to have sudo using Y's password |
| 14:50.41 | joltcan | nickprzemo: but then you need to code a secure program etc, so I'm not sure you add anything except obscurity. With pam.d you can at least customize the authorization process |
| 14:51.09 | joltcan | nickprzemo: I would think that would be doable with pam as well, but I don't have a specific example |
| 14:51.12 | nickprzemo | so user Y would have a password, just would not allow to su nor login nor ssh into him using this password (but would allow sudo su y with no Y password - e.g. sudo with NOPASSWD) |
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| 14:52.32 | nickprzemo | joltcan: ok then.. if there is no such option, then I guess the idea of writting speciall script (+gid) that would promote user Y into Z with requiring some custom password (or something more advanced like pgp message) is best way |
| 14:52.41 | nickprzemo | there is nothing like that ready? |
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| 14:53.50 | joltcan | nickprzemo: old answer, but still: http://superuser.com/questions/375737/how-can-i-block-su-access-to-some-users-only-in-linux |
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| 14:55.14 | mietek | Doing a dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy fails with: |
| 14:55.14 | mietek | update-initramfs: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686 has been altered. |
| 14:55.15 | mietek | update-initramfs: Cannot update. Override with -t option. |
| 14:55.29 | mietek | Is this the final step of a dist-upgrade? |
| 14:55.48 | joltcan | nickprzemo: sorry, there is an easy answer. Edit /etc/pam.d/su and comment out the group thingie |
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| 14:56.30 | joltcan | nickprzemo: just don't forget to add root to whatever group you use... |
| 14:56.35 | nickprzemo | thanks joltcan |
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| 14:56.57 | joltcan | nickprzemo: thanks for having me looking at pam stuff again :) |
| 14:57.39 | nickprzemo | nkuttler JordiGH - above is solution for the task I presented :) (better then smartassing about is that solution needed or should we hope 1 layer is enough ;) |
| 14:58.17 | nkuttler | nickprzemo: i still think this is bad, but you're fixated on doing it your way. have fun |
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| 14:59.25 | nickprzemo | nkuttler: but you failed to provide any other way, better then "lets hope exploiting ssh bugs like it already DID happened in the past will be slow enough" |
| 15:00.04 | nickprzemo | nkuttler: if you have more advanced solution then fell free to present it, just it must be blocking, not slowing down and preying and other fail2ban nonsense (think many IPs, botnets etc) |
| 15:00.05 | nkuttler | nickprzemo: nah, i stopped talking to you because of the attitude you're showing right now again |
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| 15:00.12 | JordiGH | nickprzemo: I thought it was easier to disable passwords. |
| 15:00.14 | nkuttler | anyway, i'm done |
| 15:00.47 | nickprzemo | attitude of not accepting half-solutions, and taking your "your ideas is stupid <but I have non better>" idea? yes. :) |
| 15:01.16 | nickprzemo | JordiGH: can I disable password loging into user Y, whil still allowing user Y to use own password to do sudo something ? |
| 15:01.33 | simonlnu | *blink* |
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| 15:02.29 | simonlnu | please think about what you just said |
| 15:02.51 | stew | nickprzemo: yes |
| 15:03.31 | nickprzemo | simonlnu: what do you mean? |
| 15:03.35 | simonlnu | is this for ssh? |
| 15:03.43 | nickprzemo | stew: who? |
| 15:04.22 | nickprzemo | erm. how. |
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| 15:04.43 | simonlnu | just ignore me then on this *reads scrollback buffer* |
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| 15:05.49 | stew | nickprzemo: PasswordAuthentication=no in sshd_config |
| 15:06.03 | nickprzemo | stew: this will stop user X from "su Y" ? |
| 15:06.08 | stew | no |
| 15:06.15 | stew | this has nothing to do with su |
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| 15:06.37 | nickprzemo | stew: well, this was my question. logging into user Y. never said its ssh |
| 15:06.39 | stew | (your question didn't involve su) |
| 15:06.53 | stew | nickprzemo: did you mean su or sudo? |
| 15:06.59 | stew | your question said sudo |
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| 15:07.14 | nickprzemo | I want to stop any way of being user Y, other then by user X doing sudo su Y. |
| 15:07.37 | nickprzemo | ...while allowing user Y to have some password set, for the reason, that user Y can use "sudo something" while requiring Y to type in own password |
| 15:07.59 | nickprzemo | (and disregarding the case of user root doing something, that is another concern of course) |
| 15:08.29 | stew | nickprzemo: you can disallow login to Y with DenyUsers |
| 15:08.34 | stew | (in sshd_config) |
| 15:08.41 | dutchfish | wouldn't that defeat the purpose of sudo? |
| 15:08.50 | nickprzemo | stew: yes but again, this will allow user Q to do "su Y" |
| 15:09.02 | stew | again, that has nothing to do with su |
| 15:09.13 | karlpinc | nickprzemo: Or you can screw around with pam, if there's other ways to get in (telnet?!!) besides ssh. |
| 15:09.21 | nickprzemo | stew: but I want to stop all ways of being user Y. ssh, su, sudo, etc |
| 15:09.34 | stew | nickprzemo: yes, I understand |
| 15:09.36 | simonlnu | sudo and su aren't the same thing. you'd have to do some funky stuff with PAM. |
| 15:10.12 | nickprzemo | simonlnu karlpinc : yes, it seems so far that PAM (or custom script with gid) is the easiest idea. Now I just wanted to find out, is there no way to do it simplier |
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| 15:10.35 | simonlnu | also, if you don't trust some shell users, why are you allowing them to login via shell? |
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| 15:10.49 | karlpinc | nickprzemo: There might be a simpler way if you told us what you were really doing, why you need such a strange setup. |
| 15:10.52 | nickprzemo | stew: right, so using your idea bloks ssh way to be Y. ok. but can I also block "su Y" while allowing Y to do "sudo something" with own password |
| 15:11.00 | stew | nickprzemo: i'm not sure I understand why you want to require user X to know user Y's password |
| 15:11.29 | stew | nickprzemo: is Y an actual person? |
| 15:11.58 | nickprzemo | stew: no Y is just step in authentiocation to Z |
| 15:12.00 | JordiGH | I think nickprzemo is skittish about allowing compromised users do stuff. |
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| 15:12.17 | nickprzemo | maybe I should do a diagram of this :) |
| 15:12.32 | simonlnu | why allow them access in the first place then? ;) |
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| 15:12.35 | nkuttler | once a malicious user is on the box it's over anyway |
| 15:12.41 | simonlnu | indeed |
| 15:12.42 | stew | +1 |
| 15:12.50 | nickprzemo | nkuttler, simonlnu, stew - you are wrong hee |
| 15:12.55 | karlpinc | So setup a VM with <lxc> and be done with it. |
| 15:13.04 | nickprzemo | well you are correct on default debian, that is not as secure as it could be |
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| 15:13.11 | nkuttler | uploads some 0day |
| 15:13.23 | nickprzemo | but on debian with grsecurity, having a compromised local shell user is not a big problem at all |
| 15:13.37 | nickprzemo | nkuttler: grsecurity for example, stops kenel 0day exploits |
| 15:13.50 | simonlnu | sighs |
| 15:13.53 | nkuttler | this is getting funny |
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| 15:14.11 | stew | nickprzemo: it stops all of them? |
| 15:14.21 | simonlnu | nothing is perfect. assuming grsec2 is not going to have bugs is just silly. |
| 15:14.24 | nickprzemo | he said something I didn't know about yet or what I do not agree with. OH BOY, lets ridicul him "this is getting funny duur" |
| 15:14.24 | nkuttler | does grsecurity also stop grsecurity exploits? |
| 15:14.30 | nickprzemo | stew: afair all that happened so far |
| 15:15.23 | nickprzemo | nkuttler: maybe you should start by opening www.grsecurity.net before asking ridiculous questions |
| 15:15.30 | nickprzemo | it's patchset for kernel |
| 15:15.30 | simonlnu | security is layered. you're forgetting - or don't know - that. |
| 15:15.39 | nkuttler | nickprzemo: i'm fully aware of that |
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| 15:15.53 | nickprzemo | simonlnu: yes, this is exactyly why I said it is not enought to guard user Z by ssh publickey only |
| 15:15.58 | simonlnu | have a nice day. i'm done. |
| 15:16.12 | stew | nickprzemo: perhaps you should look to adding a second factor to authentication, instead of just trying to make things more obscure and adding more steps for your users |
| 15:16.34 | karlpinc | likes yubikey |
| 15:16.41 | nickprzemo | stew: in this simple setup that I already got working, the 2nd factor is a password entered on Y> sudo su -i |
| 15:16.46 | nickprzemo | erm, on Y> sudo su Z |
| 15:16.58 | stew | nickprzemo: no, thats' not a second factor |
| 15:17.05 | JordiGH | nickprzemo: Have you considered OpenBSD? |
| 15:17.06 | stew | thats the same factor |
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| 15:17.18 | JordiGH | "Secure by default" just means "disable everything". |
| 15:17.24 | nkuttler | karlpinc: do you use that? always wanted to get me something hardware based |
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| 15:17.28 | nickprzemo | JordiGH: yes I use it here and there. grsecurity aims to provide same (or higher) level of security for linuxes too |
| 15:17.42 | JordiGH | I guess Debian is insecure. |
| 15:17.48 | JordiGH | Best to not use it. |
| 15:17.55 | karlpinc | nkuttler: No. I just lust after it. I've done everything but buy one. :) |
| 15:18.04 | nkuttler | karlpinc: ok :) |
| 15:18.13 | stew | nickprzemo: its reasonable to expect that if someone has captured account X, they can get the password to Y the next time X uses it |
| 15:18.23 | nickprzemo | JordiGH: debian is quite insecure by my standards. easiest example: shell user A can see everything what other users are doing - programs with arguments. and quite few programs pass important stuff in arguments even passwords |
| 15:18.33 | javierHund | stew: agreed. |
| 15:18.35 | stew | nickprzemo: a second factor would be something like something user X has, not just something user X knows (like a password) |
| 15:18.44 | karlpinc | nkuttler: I like the python server code. And like that yubikey is already integrated into OpenBSD. |
| 15:19.00 | JordiGH | nickprzemo: Start rooting Debian boxes, then. You can make it a profitable business. |
| 15:19.07 | stew | nickprzemo: dpkg-reconfigure adduser |
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| 15:19.11 | nickprzemo | stew: yes, exactyl this is why it is X->Y->Z. and you enter password as Y. and X's and Y's bashrc, profile, and so on, are readonly (immutable) files |
| 15:19.18 | geggam | so dont use it nickprzemo ... problem solved... or do u just want attention ? |
| 15:19.32 | nickprzemo | JordiGH: too much competition |
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| 15:19.58 | stew | nickprzemo: but I don't understand the usefulnes of account Y. if I compromize account X, and can get to Y and Z |
| 15:20.43 | nickprzemo | geggam: while default debian, and all linuxes afair, share this problems, there are efforts to secure them. There where hardened-debian and hardened-gentoo projects. While they are not very active (dead?) now, the tools they used (like grsecurity) are very alive and anyone can use them |
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| 15:21.24 | nickprzemo | stew: how can you really compromise account X? its fully read only you can not "damage" it. You mean, if someon can get the public key to X? |
| 15:21.45 | simonlnu | k, can you at least stop with the preaching? that's getting annoying. |
| 15:21.48 | th1 | why is it that apt-get dist-upgrade and aptitude dist-upgrade to wheezy always fails with lots of horrible dependency breaks because one action goes wrong? |
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| 15:22.13 | nickprzemo | simonlnu: with preaching security and knowledge? no. |
| 15:22.15 | th1 | I always end up with dependency nightmares and have to kick dpkg around for an hour or more to get to a state where I can move on |
| 15:22.32 | simonlnu | th1: it's testing. report bugs. |
| 15:22.41 | karlpinc | th1: I hear aptitude does a better job.... Dunno. |
| 15:22.41 | JordiGH | th1: Because wheezy isn't stable. |
| 15:22.49 | nkuttler | nickprzemo: if i have X's pubkey it's reasonable to assume that i have a keylogger on his box |
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| 15:22.52 | nickprzemo | th1: personally I like aptitude |
| 15:22.54 | th1 | still there should be a "resume" thing in dpkg/apt-get upgrade |
| 15:22.55 | JordiGH | th1: And use aptitude, not apt-get. The upgrade path is tested for aptitude. |
| 15:22.59 | th1 | well yes |
| 15:23.01 | stew | th1: did you do a successful upgrade before starting dist-upgrade? |
| 15:23.09 | th1 | stew, yes I did |
| 15:23.10 | sweb | i cant configure apache 2 via php5-fpm ... |
| 15:23.13 | sweb | using this article |
| 15:23.16 | sweb | http://www.howtoforge.com/using-php5-fpm-with-apache2-on-ubuntu-11.10 |
| 15:23.24 | sweb | 5 Configuring Apache |
| 15:23.32 | stew | sweb: are you using ubuntu 11.10? |
| 15:23.40 | th1 | and yes I've used aptitude but commonly the system ends up in a very broken state, after faffing around with dpkg for a while I get it to a state where apt-get upgrade will work but aptitude upgrade won't |
| 15:24.02 | th1 | after that then usually aptitude will work again |
| 15:24.16 | JordiGH | th1: Don't mix aptitude and apt-get. In fact, best to not use apt-get. |
| 15:24.18 | th1 | sometimes aptitude seems to see problems that apt-get doesn't and that aren't really problems |
| 15:24.20 | simonlnu | nickprzemo: no, about grsec. all the people you've talked with are familiar with it. |
| 15:24.27 | stew | JordiGH: realize that the last two releases recommended apt-get and not aptitude |
| 15:24.35 | simonlnu | you're not talking to a bunch of newbies here. |
| 15:24.41 | stew | there should be no problem mixing aptitude and apt-get |
| 15:24.50 | th1 | JordiGH, but if the system is in a messed up state then it helps to write apt-get upgrade sometimes, when aptitude just gives up searching for solutions |
| 15:24.51 | karlpinc | is ignorant of grsec *bliss* |
| 15:24.51 | stew | except for things like hold and forbid |
| 15:24.54 | JordiGH | stew: Ah, I guess I'm stuck in the etch days. |
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| 15:25.21 | stew | JordiGH: last two release notes specifically said not to use aptitude for the upgrade. aptitude would think too hard and get stuck |
| 15:25.41 | nkuttler | there should be something like aptitude --dumb |
| 15:25.41 | nickprzemo | simonlnu: besides karlpinc not knowing about it, that statement along "if you have 1 user exploited it is all over" is not correct, in case of hardened kernel. |
| 15:25.42 | th1 | yes that's exactly my experience stew |
| 15:25.47 | th1 | aptitude is just too clever |
| 15:25.57 | stew | the older problems of mixing aptitude and apt-get had to do with them now sharing the manual/auto install package list, which was fixed in apt 7.0 |
| 15:25.58 | th1 | apt-get just starts on the job |
| 15:26.07 | sweb | Stew: no |
| 15:26.20 | th1 | stew, /s/now/not/ ? |
| 15:26.22 | sweb | stew: i'm using debian 6.0.5 x64 |
| 15:26.35 | stew | th1: yes |
| 15:26.57 | stew | sweb: yes, there is no -fpm package for stable. -fpm it was in its infancy when stable was frozen |
| 15:27.05 | th1 | tbh I never liked aptitude |
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| 15:27.13 | simonlnu | here we go again... |
| 15:27.24 | sweb | stew: i'm using dotdeb |
| 15:27.33 | sweb | php 5.4.x |
| 15:27.35 | th1 | main reason I don't like aptitude -> type it without arguments and it brings up a curses gui |
| 15:27.36 | stew | sweb: you should ask them for help then |
| 15:27.36 | nickprzemo | actually what is the status of hardened debian? dead? http://www.debian-hardened.org/ talks about 2.6.8 |
| 15:27.44 | JordiGH | !dotdeb |
| 15:27.45 | dpkg | Dotdeb (http://dotdeb.org/) is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack. Dotdeb packages are unsupported in #debian. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior, ask me about <bdo>. To remove Dotdeb packages: "aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'". |
| 15:27.53 | karlpinc | sweb: See footnote 1 of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware |
| 15:28.20 | sweb | i know ... i think some one here can help ... |
| 15:28.23 | JordiGH | nickprzemo: My Debian is harder than yours. |
| 15:28.32 | JordiGH | sweb: Apparently you didn't know they're unsupported here. |
| 15:28.45 | karlpinc | th1: The curses interface sucks, but otherwise aptitude is allright. (Well, having the docs in html sucks too.) |
| 15:29.07 | nickprzemo | pets JordiGH |
| 15:29.08 | th1 | karlpinc, plus the fact that it even uses curses for things like progress bars |
| 15:29.12 | th1 | while downloading |
| 15:29.19 | JordiGH | nickprzemo: Pet my Debian too. |
| 15:29.33 | simonlnu | but it's pretty :P, hehe |
| 15:29.35 | karlpinc | th1: It is way to chatty. |
| 15:29.46 | th1 | karlpinc, yes but even apt-get is to some extent |
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| 15:30.11 | sweb | JordiGH: i know but they work with debian and apache ... may be SID ... SID have latest version of php ... php5-fpm also new version of apache ... i dont think so those are have many different |
| 15:30.17 | karlpinc | th1: I would file a bug report but that would detract from my bitching. |
| 15:30.31 | simonlnu | off-topic, but for me, it's usefulness far outweighs ui issues |
| 15:30.36 | stew | sweb: sometimes they work, sometimes the break horribly |
| 15:30.38 | simonlnu | its* |
| 15:30.43 | JordiGH | sweb: Apparently you didn't know b.d.o has better packages. |
| 15:30.45 | th1 | I just use aptitude when apt-get breaks and vice versa.. together they supplement each other quite well ;) |
| 15:31.01 | stew | last time I encountered a server with dotdeb pacakges installed, it was break horribly, random segfaults |
| 15:31.20 | th1 | stew, then why do you use it? |
| 15:31.26 | stew | th1: i absolutely do not |
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| 15:32.01 | stew | th1: i was asked to help with a server where php was crashing all the time. i logged in, found dotdeb, replaced it with packages from stable, problem solved |
| 15:32.10 | stew | JordiGH: backports doesn't currently have php pacakges |
| 15:32.28 | JordiGH | stew: Arguably a nice feature. |
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| 15:33.53 | daniel-s_ | the package in debian libmgl-qt5 I believe may be mislabelled? |
| 15:34.03 | daniel-s_ | it says in its description, "This package contains the Qt4 frontend." |
| 15:34.12 | daniel-s_ | why does it have qt5 in its name? |
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| 15:34.48 | JordiGH | daniel-s_: Looks like it's abandoned too. |
| 15:34.51 | JordiGH | Orphaned. |
| 15:34.53 | nickprzemo | what do you think about shells that could log operations done by user? as security/monitoring |
| 15:35.35 | simonlnu | daniel-s_: abi versioning maybe |
| 15:35.57 | JordiGH | nickprzemo: And they give electric shocks to users who execute forbidden commands. |
| 15:36.55 | geggam | dont allow users on the system that you do not trust... its really easy to secure a system... turn it off... unplug the cables ... put it in the safe |
| 15:37.12 | geggam | or use it and trust humans to screw up ... plan for it |
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| 15:37.39 | JordiGH | daniel-s_: I think the 5 is about the version of libgml, not of qt. |
| 15:37.55 | JordiGH | daniel-s_: There's also libgml5 and libgml-fltk5 |
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| 15:38.04 | nickprzemo | JordiGH: it looks like you're talking from own experience? |
| 15:38.05 | nsadmin | geggam, yes, that's one extreme end of things |
| 15:38.16 | JordiGH | daniel-s_: Arguably, those should be libgml5-fltk and libgml5-glut instead. |
| 15:38.22 | simonlnu | geggam: yup |
| 15:39.11 | daniel-s_ | ok, I thought there was a mistake somewhere |
| 15:39.14 | nsadmin | Say I had a 3 tb drive as the only one in my system... I want all three so I would make sure gpt is on it... how would I boot from it? |
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| 15:47.06 | sidro | hi |
| 15:47.15 | sidro | how to remove PACKAGE SELECTION STATE |
| 15:47.17 | sidro | ?? |
| 15:47.25 | sney | remove? |
| 15:47.45 | stew | sidro: where are you seeing this? |
| 15:48.17 | sidro | dpkg --get-selections | grep i386 |
| 15:48.19 | dpkg | sidro: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 15:48.44 | sidro | output: http://lists.debian.org/debian-dpkg/2002/04/msg00062.html |
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| 15:48.49 | sidro | sorry |
| 15:49.00 | sidro | http://paste.debian.net/178778/ |
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| 15:49.33 | nickprzemo | nsadmin: duckduckgoing for grub+gpt brings up few results... would it not work? |
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| 15:49.50 | stew | sidro: what are you actually trying to do? do you want some of those pacakges installed? |
| 15:50.12 | sidro | removed |
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| 15:50.34 | nkuttler | sidro: | grep -v deinstall |
| 15:50.37 | sidro | all are removed, but dpkg say ar deinstall |
| 15:50.39 | sidro | why ? |
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| 15:51.10 | nkuttler | because both words are synonyms? |
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| 15:51.48 | sidro | why are listed by dpkg --get-selections ? |
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| 15:51.53 | stew | sidro: yes, deinstall is the same thing |
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| 15:51.59 | multiHYP | hi |
| 15:52.10 | stew | sidro: deinstall is the name of the desired package state for dpkg to remove a package |
| 15:52.12 | multiHYP | I didn't know where to ask this, so here we go: |
| 15:52.26 | multiHYP | an email recipient sees the time the email was sent to him/her or the time he/she has received it? |
| 15:52.30 | stew | sidro: why does it matter if these are listed in dpkg --get-selections? |
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| 15:52.57 | stew | multiHYP: huh? |
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| 15:53.08 | stew | multiHYP: "sees the time"? do you mean the Date: header? |
| 15:53.18 | multiHYP | there is a time during which the email is on its way, right? |
| 15:53.25 | stew | sure |
| 15:53.46 | travisgriggs | when dpkg -L <aParticularPackage> is failing with a read error, what is that telling me? |
| 15:53.55 | multiHYP | so when the recipient receives it, what is the time that is shown as the Date of that mail? |
| 15:54.13 | stew | multiHYP: the Date: header is whatever the sender sticks in there |
| 15:54.30 | multiHYP | A. the time it was originally sent. B. the time it reached this mail-server (its destination). |
| 15:54.46 | multiHYP | stew: so one could fake it? |
| 15:54.47 | nkuttler | travisgriggs: you disk is dying? |
| 15:54.49 | th1 | travisgriggs, that some files in /var/lib/dpkg/info are corrupted |
| 15:54.54 | stew | multiHYP: often the tool they are using to compose the email will add this header automaticall, perhaps at the time they start authoring the email or perhaps at the time they hit send |
| 15:55.01 | th1 | or that your disk is bad |
| 15:55.05 | multiHYP | i.e. me sending you an email now, but its date would show up for you to be 1999? |
| 15:55.08 | stew | multiHYP: absolutely, my email client lets me put whatever I want in there |
| 15:55.08 | th1 | check dmesg if it's harddisk eeeeeeeeeeeeeerrors or not |
| 15:55.31 | th1 | travisgriggs, either way your system is fsckd |
| 15:55.36 | multiHYP | stew: wow, never thought it was that easily modifiable. |
| 15:56.05 | multiHYP | but obviously the recipient will notice. via comparison with other received mails date/time. |
| 15:56.25 | th1 | multiHYP, there is no authentication in SMTP |
| 15:56.41 | multiHYP | how is that related th1? |
| 15:56.52 | th1 | multiHYP, you can type what you want in the email message headers |
| 15:57.00 | th1 | and the mail server will deliver it as you typed it |
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| 15:57.12 | stew | multiHYP: yes, every header in an email is easily faked, except for headers added by your own server (like the Received: that the receiving server adds, for instance) |
| 15:57.26 | multiHYP | oh I think i mixed authentication with security measures. |
| 15:57.42 | th1 | multiHYP, SMTP has neither of those |
| 15:58.12 | multiHYP | either of what? |
| 15:58.19 | th1 | authentication and security measures |
| 15:58.23 | th1 | not inherently at least |
| 15:58.24 | multiHYP | sorry i am running on coals today :s |
| 15:58.48 | travisgriggs | how do i get it to reinstall/update/repair the files in /var/lib/dpkg/info? |
| 15:58.50 | multiHYP | yes its okay, so the verdict is: it is possible, but who would. |
| 15:58.55 | th1 | travisgriggs, you can't |
| 15:59.14 | th1 | if they are corrupted chances are your entire system is fsck'ed beyond repair |
| 15:59.26 | th1 | travisgriggs, instead reinstall a new system and copy the old stuff across as needed |
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| 16:05.35 | travisgriggs | thx th1. it's an sdcard boot sbc running lenny, easy enough to dup the gold sdcard and try again |
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| 16:14.09 | JordiGH | Fuck. |
| 16:14.10 | JordiGH | http://www.s-hull.org/index_files/s_hull_tcs.html |
| 16:14.13 | JordiGH | Is that a free license? |
| 16:14.27 | JordiGH | It seems pretty standard, except it says you should buy them a beer if you think they deserve one. |
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| 16:14.58 | JordiGH | Isn't that GPL-incompatible? |
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| 16:20.03 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: yes. |
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| 16:20.23 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: "the reason for such modification." <-- this is the bit that probably makes it so, though |
| 16:20.23 | madtux | hi to everyone |
| 16:20.33 | madtux | sorry guys just a quick on |
| 16:20.36 | madtux | quick one |
| 16:20.49 | madtux | which file I have to change |
| 16:21.05 | madtux | for having the mail.log permission set as 644 |
| 16:21.08 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Hm, doesn't gnuplot have a similar clause? |
| 16:21.08 | madtux | automatically? |
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| 16:21.26 | kajo | hi @ * |
| 16:21.51 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: nope |
| 16:21.59 | kajo | i use an hp pavillon (memtest says Athlon 64 x2 2205Mhz) with debian . I dont understand what ram slots do i have to use. i've got 2x512MB memory sticks and the mobo has 4 slots, the first 2 (position 0 and 1) are blue slots and the last 2 (position 2 and 3) are black. Should i use pos0 AND pos1 , or should i use pos0 and pos3 ? The chipset is AMD K8 (64bit). In memtest86+ the line "Settings" ends with " /DDR2 (64bits)" when i use pos0 and pos2. W |
| 16:22.25 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: gnuplot has you require patch files, which is GPL incompatible, but that's ok |
| 16:22.27 | kajo | either ways (pos0 + pos1, and pos0 + pos2) give good results with memtest86+ , but the first combination seems to be the faster one. o.O any advice? |
| 16:24.48 | thewanderer1 | how can I have apt e-mail me when there are upgrades available? |
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| 16:25.28 | zinx | kajo: if you only have two sticks, put them both in the same color slot |
| 16:25.52 | zinx | kajo: the motherboard manual probably says the same thing somewhere |
| 16:26.17 | thewanderer1 | huh, I thought different colors = different channels |
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| 16:26.29 | zinx | thewanderer1: exactly |
| 16:26.45 | thewanderer1 | so you'd get better performance on 2 channels... |
| 16:26.48 | zinx | o_O |
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| 16:27.02 | thewanderer1 | dual-channel memory - isn't that what it stands for? |
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| 16:27.32 | zinx | thewanderer1: yes |
| 16:27.33 | zinx | but |
| 16:27.37 | zinx | put them in the same color slot :/ |
| 16:28.27 | thewanderer1 | anyway, how does one make apt send a mail whenever there's updates available? |
| 16:28.43 | mah454_ | http://pastebin.com/sm7Li61c |
| 16:28.58 | sacredchao | What is the best way to prevent Network-Manager from starting at boot, across *all* desktop environments? |
| 16:29.11 | sacredchao | I am using Wicd, and both are starting up, which makes Wicd unable to authenticate with Wifi networks |
| 16:29.22 | thewanderer1 | sacredchao, update-rc.d |
| 16:29.41 | thewanderer1 | and I've found a solution to my update notification problem - apticron (hope it's not evil) |
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| 16:30.41 | sacredchao | thewanderer1: runlevel command returns "N 2" |
| 16:30.50 | sacredchao | so that means I should disable network-manager script for runlevel 2? |
| 16:31.16 | sacredchao | update-rc.d network-manager disable 2 |
| 16:31.18 | sacredchao | Like this? |
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| 16:36.38 | nsadmin | sacredchao, any reason you want both installed? |
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| 16:38.23 | thewanderer1 | sacredchao, probably, yes - or you could remove it for all runlevels if you don't want it running by default |
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| 16:40.04 | kajo | thewanderer1: i think that too. but now i 've run tests on different combinetions (using memtest86+) and the pos0 + pos1 seems indeed the good one (it completes the test faster than the others). thanks zinx |
| 16:40.58 | thewanderer1 | funky mobo markings, then :P |
| 16:41.27 | kajo | strange thing: is i put them on pos0 + pos2 (aka "on different colors") the bios screen at boot says "single channel" . If instead i use pos0 + pos1 it says "dual channel" ... o.O wtf? |
| 16:41.52 | kajo | *combinations |
| 16:42.01 | thewanderer1 | yeah. someone had a funny idea of how to mark the slots. but hey, your BIOS knows what's true, trust it |
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| 16:42.28 | kajo | s/is i put/if i put |
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| 16:53.46 | sacredchao | nsadmin: Sometimes one doesn't work on certain networks, and I kill it and load the other and it connects. |
| 16:53.58 | sacredchao | thewanderer1: Is there a wildcard to kill it for all runlevels? |
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| 16:54.33 | thewanderer1 | sacredchao, you could use the "remove" option - but in general, it's best to specify all levels manually |
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| 16:56.07 | nsadmin | sacredchao, interesting... you should find out what's up with that |
| 16:58.31 | mauregato | 4 |
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| 16:58.49 | Joshun | hi |
| 16:59.07 | Joshun | is it possible to use the split command to 'chop off' unused space in a virtual hard disk? |
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| 16:59.17 | Joshun | or would it corrupt the filesystem layout |
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| 16:59.24 | digital_ownage | hey guys |
| 17:00.47 | digital_ownage | I am currently installing debian (squeeze) in virtualbox to try it out because it is very stable, but I can't figure out what I need to enter when I am configuring the network |
| 17:01.36 | digital_ownage | The previous time I installed debian in virtualbox I entered nothing and the internet connection didn't worked :/ |
| 17:01.55 | digital_ownage | So what do I need to pull into the name server addresses:? |
| 17:02.20 | Joshun | it should detect it as an ethernet interface |
| 17:02.27 | digital_ownage | yes |
| 17:02.31 | Joshun | virtualbox does that automatically |
| 17:02.34 | digital_ownage | Well |
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| 17:02.45 | Joshun | i think it bridges the interface so usually there is no need for extra setup |
| 17:02.55 | Joshun | you could try changing the interface's driver |
| 17:03.01 | Joshun | in virtualbox's settings |
| 17:03.03 | digital_ownage | the previous time I did it, (30 minutes ago) the internet connection wasn't working |
| 17:03.05 | digital_ownage | okay |
| 17:03.16 | digital_ownage | and there wasn't an internet connection applet to |
| 17:03.16 | Joshun | i think it can simulate different adapters |
| 17:03.19 | digital_ownage | too * |
| 17:03.36 | Joshun | you could launch the applet manually |
| 17:03.40 | Joshun | nm-applet i think |
| 17:03.42 | digital_ownage | But around 4 months ago I installed debian 6 at my computer, and it worked fine |
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| 17:04.50 | digital_ownage | But then I almost knew nothing about linux xD |
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| 17:04.59 | digital_ownage | knew almost nothing * |
| 17:05.15 | Joshun | i've got debian 6 on one machine and its been brilliant |
| 17:05.17 | Joshun | very reliable |
| 17:05.21 | digital_ownage | I know |
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| 17:05.38 | digital_ownage | It is very stable and oldskool xD |
| 17:05.53 | digital_ownage | But for me a bit hard |
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| 17:06.04 | digital_ownage | So thats why I want to try it within virtual box |
| 17:06.27 | blackswan | i have a laptop running squeeze that i want to upgrade to wheezy but i'm scared |
| 17:06.36 | digital_ownage | then don't do it |
| 17:06.44 | blackswan | but i need eclipse 3.6 |
| 17:06.55 | Joshun | blackswan - why not just test a livecd first |
| 17:06.58 | digital_ownage | Then you add the right ppa or something like that |
| 17:07.06 | blackswan | because that doesn't test the upgrade process, which is what scares me |
| 17:07.17 | Joshun | then just do a fresh install |
| 17:07.29 | digital_ownage | or try it first on a testing computer |
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| 17:07.40 | digital_ownage | Brq |
| 17:07.42 | digital_ownage | btw * |
| 17:07.44 | blackswan | oh. duh. |
| 17:08.07 | simonlnu | i would remove (comment out) any 3rd party repos in sources.list, update, then try, if you decided to proceed with the squeeze->wheezy migration |
| 17:08.07 | blackswan | i could just install the same packages i have installed now on a vm and see what breaks there, couldn't i |
| 17:08.10 | karlpinc | digital_ownage: You might evaluate other options than testing. See the <overview> factoid, and the referenced wiki page. |
| 17:08.24 | digital_ownage | ? |
| 17:08.26 | blackswan | the <overview> factoid? |
| 17:08.51 | digital_ownage | karpinc, where are you talking about xD, I don't get it, maby because I am Dutch xD |
| 17:08.53 | karlpinc | blackswan: Oops. That was for blackswan. |
| 17:08.54 | simonlnu | ubuntu ppas + debian, not a good idea usually |
| 17:08.58 | karlpinc | !overview |
| 17:08.58 | dpkg | Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware . Ask me about <security>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <squeeze-updates>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian live>. See also <grounding>, <social contract>, <introduction>. |
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| 17:09.29 | blackswan | i ditched ubuntu and went back to debian when it hosed my system upgrading to oneiric. the eye candy just wasn't worth it. |
| 17:09.45 | digital_ownage | Joshun |
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| 17:09.59 | karlpinc | digital_ownage: The factoids are what <dpkgbot> knows. |
| 17:10.01 | Joshun | what? |
| 17:10.17 | digital_ownage | sec, karlpinc, what are factoids? |
| 17:10.29 | digital_ownage | now I have a bad archive mirror |
| 17:10.33 | Joshun | digital_ownage - ? |
| 17:10.39 | digital_ownage | error |
| 17:10.47 | digital_ownage | when I am configuring the package manager |
| 17:11.02 | digital_ownage | because the internet connection doesn't work or something like that when I am now using it |
| 17:11.24 | Joshun | is this still on vbox? |
| 17:11.28 | digital_ownage | yup |
| 17:11.32 | karlpinc | !tell digital_ownage about factoid |
| 17:12.25 | digital_ownage | that way |
| 17:12.54 | Joshun | are you still installing debian? |
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| 17:13.23 | digital_ownage | yes |
| 17:13.39 | Joshun | are you using the netinstall image then |
| 17:13.39 | TheCrowe | hi, I'm trying to figure out how to get a script to run at startup, but it doesn't seem to work, I followed this guide: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 |
| 17:13.45 | TheCrowe | does it apply to debian 6? |
| 17:14.45 | digital_ownage | no just the 70omb or less debian-6.0.5-amd65-cd-1.iso |
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| 17:15.28 | Cyclohexane | for pptpd how do i know what ip to use for local and remote on a vps? |
| 17:15.54 | thewanderer1 | TheCrowe, you need LSB headers in Debian 6... if it's something trivial, just put it in /etc/rc.local . |
| 17:16.17 | karlpinc | Cyclohexane: You ask the remote network administrator. (Ideally you avoid the sucky pptp protocol and use something else.) |
| 17:16.53 | Cyclohexane | karlpinc what do you recommend? |
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| 17:17.00 | karlpinc | TheCrowe: Didn't look, but you can either use rc.local or @boot in a crontab. "man 5 cronttab" |
| 17:17.06 | digital_ownage | Ok I will just download the 4GB dvd file and try it again because now I need to eat IRL |
| 17:17.27 | Joshun | digital_ownage - does pinging etc work |
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| 17:17.37 | digital_ownage | I am still installing |
| 17:17.40 | Joshun | try pinging your routers ip for instance |
| 17:17.44 | Joshun | yeah use busybox |
| 17:17.50 | Joshun | ctrl-alt-f2 |
| 17:17.54 | digital_ownage | oh Okay |
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| 17:17.59 | digital_ownage | but now I need to go |
| 17:18.01 | digital_ownage | see ya |
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| 17:18.10 | karlpinc | Cyclohexane: It depends. Often openvpn is the right choice, when not using ipsec. They're all a pain to setup the first time so you may as well choose a secure one. |
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| 17:20.19 | TheCrowe | thanks thewanderer1 and karlpinc |
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| 17:20.30 | TheCrowe | I'll try those |
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| 17:21.23 | TheCrowe | also, how do I shorten the grub menu timer? I changed it in /etc/defaults/grub but it doesn't use the settings I specify |
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| 17:22.58 | break19 | TheCrowe: did you update grub after doing that? |
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| 17:23.16 | TheCrowe | break19, no... |
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| 17:23.45 | break19 | then the setting hasnt been put into the actual config file yet.. but it will when you update grub (either manually, or by applying a kernel update) |
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| 17:23.53 | agike | Hi, I would like to fix a broken gdm3 using apt-get from a live cd, but "mount debian-live-6.0.4-i386-rescue.iso /cdrom -o loop" is rejected as an unknown CD name. Checking deb live-cd names, it seems OK. What am I missing here ? |
| 17:24.34 | break19 | agike: does the file you're referencing actually exist in the currect directory? |
| 17:24.44 | break19 | current* |
| 17:24.47 | stevieman | cron should be running all the time correct? When I do a /etc/init.d/cron status I usually get "Checking periodic command scheduler...failed (failed to start)." |
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| 17:25.26 | agike | Hmm .. it is an .iso name, not a file name .. as exemplified at debian.org |
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| 17:27.13 | agike | break19: I've checked, & rechecked the name, but what else could it be ? |
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| 17:28.06 | break19 | agike: the command you issued is trying to mount the file specified.. |
| 17:28.07 | agike | break19: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/bt-hybrid/ |
| 17:28.20 | break19 | if the file doesnt exist, it wont work. |
| 17:28.56 | me__ | the console will not search the internet for that iso |
| 17:29.00 | agike | .. with respect, I was trying to mount a rescue CD, an .iso .. |
| 17:29.10 | break19 | as an aside, why do people INSIST on just typing random stuff into their computer, without knowing what the hell they're typing? |
| 17:29.17 | geggam | today... i feel like this http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz189/omer4/SmashingHeadOnKeyboard.gif |
| 17:29.21 | me__ | if you haven't already downloaded the iso then do it now |
| 17:29.39 | agike | break19: synchronicity .. |
| 17:30.14 | agike | break19: evolution is essentially random in many respects .. |
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| 17:32.44 | agike | Hmm .. I had to mount the .iso to on the broken deb distro so it semms not make sense to mount it again via software .. |
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| 17:33.44 | TheCrowe | I get this when I place something into rc.local: /etc/init.d/rc.local: 41: /etc/rc.local: Permission denied |
| 17:34.13 | nkuttler | TheCrowe: when you try to write the file? |
| 17:34.26 | TheCrowe | nkuttler, no on bootup/manual run |
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| 17:34.36 | nkuttler | TheCrowe: it's probably -x |
| 17:34.52 | nkuttler | !tell TheCrowe about rc.local |
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| 17:36.37 | simonlnu | yeh, it needs to be executable |
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| 17:48.09 | docbop | have a cron issue. Run date and the time is fine, but the cron jobs all run 8 hours off |
| 17:49.50 | blackswan | adjust your time cube http://www.timecube.com |
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| 18:01.51 | agike | break19: see "Installing additional software from a running LiveCD" at wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Live_CD_distributions |
| 18:01.55 | jhutchins_wk | docbop: What's your timezone? |
| 18:02.01 | agike | nz |
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| 18:03.32 | docbop | jhutchins_wk: -8 |
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| 18:05.34 | docbop | jhutchins_wk: I checked /etc/timezone and it is set correctly |
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| 18:07.06 | jhutchins_wk | docbop: Which crontab are the jobs in? |
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| 18:08.00 | docbop | jhutchins_wk: roots crontab |
| 18:08.02 | break19 | agike: there are certain assumptions made in that documentation.. like the assumption that you realize an .iso image is a cdrom drive IMAGE stored as FILE on your local hard drive.. |
| 18:08.15 | jhutchins_wk | docbop: Has the system been restarted since you set the timezone? |
| 18:08.29 | jhutchins_wk | docbop: so /var/spool/cron/root or /etc/crontab? |
| 18:08.38 | jhutchins_wk | docbop: What about jobs in /etc/cron.*? |
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| 18:09.17 | break19 | just like the car salesman makes an assumption that you know a key is needed to start the car.. |
| 18:09.21 | agike | break19: yeah, you are right. I think I have been reading too much into it .. |
| 18:09.26 | break19 | :) |
| 18:09.52 | break19 | sometimes the assumptions are valid.. but not always |
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| 18:10.38 | break19 | but they must be made, or all documentation would begin like "This is a keyboard. The letters on it can be pressed down, pressing the right keys in the right order ." etc |
| 18:10.40 | agike | .. but the questions remains if or how to use apt-get from a live CD to fix a broken GDM. The alternative is to do it manually and cope with 'dependency hell' .. |
| 18:10.59 | docbop | jhutchins_wk: no reboots, but have restart ntp. Have to check the various crontab's. |
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| 18:11.34 | break19 | dont ask for help on using someone elses instructions for fixing your problem, start by identifying the problem, and ask for various solutions.. |
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| 18:12.18 | break19 | I'm not overly familiar with gdm, nor am I even aware of what your exact issue is. Will gdm launch? is it just not letting you login? what? |
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| 18:15.31 | stew | agike: why would you use a live cd instead of just fixing it? |
| 18:15.38 | stew | agike: does it not boot? |
| 18:16.38 | docbop | jhutchins_wk: Our jobs are in /var/spool/cron/crontab/root |
| 18:17.05 | jhutchins_wk | docbop: You may need to restart the system for cron to get the timezone. |
| 18:17.16 | jhutchins_wk | docbop: possibly just restart cron though. |
| 18:17.34 | jhutchins_wk | docbop: restarting ntp doesn't really affect anything. |
| 18:17.39 | agike | break19: yep. it is not letting me login and needs an upgrade. I have been downloading debs in ubuntu, mounting Deb mv'ing them there, then dpkg -install, but apt-get does all that nicely. |
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| 18:18.24 | agike | A LiveCD solution looked interesting, but I may just have to continue the process .. |
| 18:18.48 | stew | agike: what isn't letting you login? |
| 18:18.53 | stew | agike: do you get an error? |
| 18:19.01 | agike | nope. |
| 18:19.14 | stew | agike: gdm3 is running but you can't login to it? |
| 18:19.18 | stew | agike: can you login to a VT? |
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| 18:19.27 | agike | Just a hanging gdm screen with no response. |
| 18:20.06 | agike | .. although from the stuff above I'm sure its just a matter of current dependencies. |
| 18:20.30 | nickprzemo | agike: can you log into rescue mode from boot/grub? |
| 18:21.00 | stew | agike: why can't you login to a vt? |
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| 18:21.25 | agike | I have been using resuce mode on reboot .. |
| 18:22.02 | nickprzemo | agike: and? |
| 18:22.38 | agike | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:23.09 | nickprzemo | ok so you can log into your computer, but you have other problem? I didnt see in backlog |
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| 18:24.29 | stew | agike: i don't know what grub recovery mode is. but it seemed like you think you can fix your problem by installing new packages from a live-cd. why don't you just login to your system and install packages and skip the live cd? |
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| 18:27.49 | stew | what does grub have to do with package dependencies? |
| 18:27.49 | karlpinc | !tell agike about vt |
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| 18:28.19 | agike | stew: apt-get from debian live-cd sounded like a good solution. It still does .. |
| 18:28.28 | stew | why not apt-get from YOUR INSTALL? |
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| 18:28.42 | dantix | hi all, anybody have any comment about xtreemfs (http://www.xtreemfs.org) ? |
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| 18:29.44 | agike | stew: It has occurred to me that I can mount deb on natty and use ubuntu apt-get .. but am not sure if they are compatible |
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| 18:30.26 | stew | agike: why wouldn't you just use apt-get on your debian system? |
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| 18:31.18 | stew | agike: unless you think your problem is the actual apt-get binary, which seems quite unlikely |
| 18:31.20 | Woet | I want to make a tar of the entire disk, so I use 'tar -cf /root/dump.tar /' - it becomes infinitely big, most likely because it's tarring itself. how would I do it properly? |
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| 18:31.43 | agike | stew: how does one get past a hanging gdm ? Booting in text mode - the way I installed my first debian - would be great, but it is a while since I have done that. |
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| 18:31.57 | stew | 14:21 < stew> agike: why can't you login to a vt? |
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| 18:32.25 | jordanm | Woet: tar has --exclude, and you also don't want to tar psuedo-filesystems such as /proc |
| 18:32.32 | agike | stew: what do you mean by a vt ? |
| 18:32.43 | stew | agike: the bot named dpkg sent you information about it privately |
| 18:32.49 | digdilem | ALT+F2 to open another text console? |
| 18:32.50 | stew | agike: i mean tty1 tty2 tty3, etc |
| 18:32.51 | nickprzemo | stew: I ment that he should boot with the "(recovery mode)" option that will boot with "single" option resulting in a root text terminal |
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| 18:33.40 | nickprzemo | agike: press alt+ctrl+F1 to go into a text mode console login where you can log into root or any other user. alt+ctrl+f2,f3 also works, f7 (or sometimes f5,f8,f9) is back to default graphical mode |
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| 18:34.09 | nickprzemo | this text mode is called vt - virtual terminal |
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| 18:36.35 | agike | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:38.18 | agike | I'll have another look at it .. after I get some sleep in this timezone .. |
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| 18:41.06 | docbop | jhutchins_wk: Okay appears cron is running our scripts at right time per syslog. Our script use call date to timestamp files. Appear date running in the script is off. |
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| 18:48.30 | skaman_ | anyone know what is the meta package for the debian base system? |
| 18:48.54 | Guest27236 | I'm looking for the most simple email server solution that debian has to offer in apt. Just need to be able to receive emails on that server. Just postfix? |
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| 18:50.00 | skaman_ | Guest27236: i'm not an expert about mail servers? but there is also exim |
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| 18:53.08 | D-Spair | Hello all... Need some help with xtables... I have downloaded the source for xtables_addons in an effort to re-enable "xt_TEE", but even after installing my modified package I get "iptables: No chain/target/match by that name.". The xt_TEE module is showing as loaded... Any suggestions? |
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| 18:53.48 | peterrooney | skaman_: I would expect that there is none - both debootstrap and installer ISOs just do the right thing |
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| 18:55.48 | skaman_ | peterrooney: i suppose debootstrap and the installer iso doesn't contain the complete list for the base packages? but just a meta package and apt solve the dependencies for that |
| 18:55.51 | skaman_ | or am i wrong? |
| 18:55.58 | SumYunGai | how do i add scp comand to my user |
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| 18:57.01 | LtL | SumYunGai: all users have access to scp, it's part of the openssh suite. |
| 18:57.13 | digital_ownageAF | back |
| 18:57.14 | digital_ownageAF | Guys |
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| 18:57.59 | digital_ownage | I have installed debian squeeze at virtual box, but the itnernet of it doesn't work |
| 18:57.59 | SumYunGai | its telling me permission denie |
| 18:58.00 | SumYunGai | d |
| 18:58.09 | digital_ownage | Anyone has an idea? |
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| 18:58.49 | LtL | SumYunGai: permission denied when doing what exactly |
| 18:58.51 | rozie | digital_ownage: virtualbox broke your internet access |
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| 18:59.05 | SumYunGai | scp to another server |
| 18:59.08 | digital_ownage | but normally everything is working perfect... |
| 18:59.51 | rozie | digital_ownage: and talking serious, probably you have chosen wrong type of network. how did you configure vbox network? |
| 19:00.00 | digital_ownage | not |
| 19:00.21 | LtL | SumYunGai: then it may be the server, or your syntax is incorrect. |
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| 19:01.38 | digital_ownage | rozie, I just have installed the debian dvd within virtual box. |
| 19:01.43 | SumYunGai | ah yes |
| 19:01.48 | digital_ownage | I didn't did something with it |
| 19:01.49 | SumYunGai | i copid to my home |
| 19:01.55 | SumYunGai | on remote box |
| 19:02.11 | D-Spair | SumYunGai, You are not being specific enough with your question... I think you are saying that you are getting "permission denied" when trying to scp from another blox to your local host? |
| 19:02.25 | digital_ownage | Always with ubuntu based distro's, the auto configurations always works fine... |
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| 19:02.32 | rozie | digital_ownage: in virtualbox setup. there's option to enable network and choose type. enable and choose NAT |
| 19:02.35 | SumYunGai | its done |
| 19:02.38 | digital_ownage | okay |
| 19:02.51 | digital_ownage | I will try |
| 19:02.51 | geggam | ubuntu based ? |
| 19:02.51 | SumYunGai | the remote was saing perms denied |
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| 19:03.03 | SumYunGai | but looked like it was local |
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| 19:03.15 | digital_ownage | ubuntu based: mint, zorin etc |
| 19:03.30 | geggam | dont u mean debian based ? |
| 19:03.30 | digital_ownage | rozie: nat is enabled |
| 19:03.35 | digital_ownage | eh |
| 19:04.08 | digital_ownage | Zorin and Mint are build upon Ubuntu. Ubuntu is build upon debian so in this way it is the same :p |
| 19:05.11 | D-Spair | digital_ownage, Just be aware that a lot of people in this channel would find that statement offensive... |
| 19:05.24 | digital_ownage | why |
| 19:05.39 | digital_ownage | I don't get it D-Spair |
| 19:05.47 | D-Spair | digital_ownage, By not understanding that particular nuance, you are going to make life hard on yourself. |
| 19:06.01 | digital_ownage | Maby I don't know some critical details xD |
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| 19:06.34 | LtL | SumYunGai: so you have solved the scp problem |
| 19:06.34 | D-Spair | Debian and it's maintainers are quite proud of their work, and many see Ubuntu and it's progeny as a bastardization and degradation of their hard work. |
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| 19:06.46 | ompaul | !based on debian |
| 19:06.46 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 19:07.26 | ompaul | not very owned methinks |
| 19:07.28 | digital_ownage | D-Spair, I've never knew of that, but I think you need to see it diffrent |
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| 19:07.52 | D-Spair | digital_ownage, You do not go into someone elses house and tell them that they are wrong for wanting to live there... |
| 19:08.02 | digital_ownage | Well, I go |
| 19:08.04 | rozie | oh. tell us how different should we see it! |
| 19:08.11 | digital_ownage | no just kidding |
| 19:08.24 | digital_ownage | Well, debian isn't easy isn't it? |
| 19:08.29 | digital_ownage | or am I wrong |
| 19:08.37 | ompaul | of course you are wrong |
| 19:08.39 | rozie | yes, you're wrong |
| 19:08.42 | digital_ownage | Ok |
| 19:08.47 | D-Spair | digital_ownage, Please, have respect for these people... They work very hard for no money. Your attempts at humor do not work well here. |
| 19:08.58 | digital_ownage | well, I respect all those people |
| 19:09.12 | digital_ownage | very much |
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| 19:09.29 | peterrooney | digital_ownage: saying zorin is based on debian is about as accurate as saying perl is based on ALGOL-60 |
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| 19:09.37 | digital_ownage | -.- |
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| 19:09.47 | dkr | digital_ownage: this is likely a virtualbox configuration issue rather than a debian issue. |
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| 19:09.51 | digital_ownage | well |
| 19:09.59 | digital_ownage | lets go back to the vbox conf |
| 19:10.16 | dkr | if you have dhcp enabled in debian install it should work fine by default i fyou have dhcp server featuer enabled in virtualbox host |
| 19:10.18 | digital_ownage | I want to know debian, because ubuntu and stuff are now one big bloat of patheticness |
| 19:10.23 | peterrooney | digital_ownage: it never hurts to add a -v or two to a misbehaving scp |
| 19:10.55 | D-Spair | digital_ownage, Virtual Box questions would be best resolved in the #vbox channel... |
| 19:11.05 | digital_ownage | okay |
| 19:11.13 | D-Spair | People in the Debian channel know Debian, not VBox... |
| 19:11.21 | digital_ownage | hmm |
| 19:11.24 | digital_ownage | You are right |
| 19:11.32 | digital_ownage | but first I will try the dhcp thing |
| 19:11.39 | D-Spair | digital_ownage, Thank you for your consideration, and I hope that you find the answer you seek! |
| 19:11.46 | digital_ownage | okay |
| 19:12.00 | digital_ownage | Is there any way to enable dhcp in an installed debian? |
| 19:12.05 | D-Spair | is a leaf on the wind. |
| 19:12.40 | D-Spair | digital_ownage, Sure. |
| 19:12.47 | digital_ownage | Teach me |
| 19:13.40 | peterrooney | digital_ownage: usually, it's aptitude install isc-dhcp-client -- and possibly editing /etc/network/interfaces to say which interfaces should use dhcp |
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| 19:14.30 | digital_ownage | isc-dhcp-client is already installed |
| 19:14.33 | D-Spair | digital_ownage, Try this article: http://failserver.nl/blog/2009/03/how-to-install-a-dhcp-server-in-linux-debian-lenny/ |
| 19:14.38 | digital_ownage | thanks |
| 19:14.49 | D-Spair | digital_ownage, You wanted a DHCP server, neh? |
| 19:15.03 | digital_ownage | eh, what is a dhcp server -.-? |
| 19:15.18 | D-Spair | A server which assigns IP addresses to a DHCP client. |
| 19:15.25 | digital_ownage | and a dhcp client..? |
| 19:15.45 | D-Spair | A program which asks on the network for a DHCP server to assign it an IP address on the network. |
| 19:15.50 | digital_ownage | thanks |
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| 19:17.57 | D-Spair | digital_ownage, DHCP, Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol, works like this... 1. A server listens for *broadcast* packets on a local area network. 2. A client sends a broadcast message on the network. 3. The server checks it's database of assigned IPs.. 4. If that client's hardware address is already in the database and still within it's lease time, the server will assign that same IP again. Otherwise will see if there are any unused addre |
| 19:17.57 | D-Spair | sses and assign one of those. |
| 19:18.23 | digital_ownage | wow |
| 19:18.25 | digital_ownage | very nice |
| 19:18.35 | digital_ownage | support here |
| 19:19.18 | D-Spair | So, for DHCP to work, you need to have both a DHCP server and a DHCP capable client... Most people these days do not need to worry about DHCP servers because their Internet routers typically perform that function. |
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| 19:20.09 | D-Spair | If you run VirtualBox in a standard way, all NAT'd interfaces have a virtual DHCP server presented by VirtualBox automatically. |
| 19:20.38 | D-Spair | If you run your VM such that is uses a "bridged" interface, it will try to get a DHCP from your local area network. |
| 19:21.30 | D-Spair | digital_ownage, Please be aware that I have somewhat oversimplified all of this and the actual interactions are a little more involved. |
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| 19:21.38 | digital_ownage | I see |
| 19:22.03 | digital_ownage | btw when I needed to configure the nameserver I entered nothing |
| 19:22.12 | digital_ownage | is that wrong? |
| 19:22.42 | D-Spair | digital_ownage, Then your machine will not be able to connect to web sites and servers by name... You would only be able to access servers by IP address directly. |
| 19:22.53 | digital_ownage | okay |
| 19:22.58 | digital_ownage | THAT is the thing which was wrong |
| 19:23.11 | D-Spair | digital_ownage, So, if you wanted to go to "www.google.com", it would not work. |
| 19:23.15 | digital_ownage | what do I need to enter there, I don't get what you need to fill in there |
| 19:23.23 | digital_ownage | yup, that was the problem ^ |
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| 19:24.16 | D-Spair | digital_ownage, That depends on your ISP... It's different for everyone... You could enter 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 and it will "probably" work, but no guarantees. |
| 19:25.14 | D-Spair | digital_ownage, There are many ISP and personal network specific configuration items that we cannot know about your configuration and thus we cannot help you. |
| 19:25.23 | digital_ownage | okay |
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| 19:26.29 | jhutchins_wk | digital_ownage: Most people use their ISP's DNS, or your router might run a caching DNS. |
| 19:26.38 | digital_ownage | okay |
| 19:26.57 | jhutchins_wk | digital_ownage: I run a full-blown caching DNS server that serves my network and pulls directly from the root servers. |
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| 19:27.15 | digital_ownage | and why are you running that? |
| 19:27.15 | ompaul | so install it read the docs and then tell us what you have issues with within your config |
| 19:27.26 | digital_ownage | okay |
| 19:27.31 | jhutchins_wk | digital_ownage: Because I can, because I wanted to be comfortable managing it. |
| 19:27.43 | digital_ownage | sounds epic |
| 19:27.46 | jhutchins_wk | digital_ownage: I ran it on NT4 before I went all Linux. |
| 19:27.57 | kemuffkamelen | is there something wrong with SVN i remember people switching to it in droves from git and cvs.. now they are all going back. What happened? |
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| 19:30.39 | D-Spair | jhutchins, You should try my setup... I have a VPN to my corporate overlords, so I have a caching server with split-horizon based on the TLD... Works great. |
| 19:32.26 | D-Spair | Of course, it does help that I work with DNS for a living... You tend to learn these things when you eat/sleep/breath/drink DNS for 2 years straight... |
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| 19:32.45 | t_corr | hey you fucking losers, debian is an outdated piece of shit distro |
| 19:33.01 | D-Spair | t_corr, Sounds like you've used it before!!! :P |
| 19:33.07 | t_corr | try yggdrasil for a better experience! |
| 19:33.14 | t_corr | oh yah |
| 19:33.26 | t_corr | i am the founder, ian murcock |
| 19:33.29 | D-Spair | t_corr, I can't even pronounce that, why would I want to try to use it... |
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| 19:33.49 | t_corr | D-Spair: yggdrasil was the original distro, which early releases of slackware were based on |
| 19:34.02 | D-Spair | t_corr, And? |
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| 19:34.15 | t_corr | and your mom likes to suck my large penis |
| 19:34.26 | ompaul | !ops t_corr for the away feature - trolling |
| 19:34.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ompaul complains about: t_corr for the away feature - trolling |
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| 19:34.31 | D-Spair | Just because the Model T was the first production line automobile, does not mean I want to drive one. |
| 19:34.35 | t_corr | ompaul: fuck you |
| 19:34.41 | t_corr | you draconian motherfucker |
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| 19:35.22 | D-Spair | These people need to learn the joys of Zen.... |
| 19:35.47 | peterS | hey, I used yggdrasil when I was 12, too! |
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| 19:36.17 | D-Spair | Ehhh... My first Linux distro was RH5.2, but later I learned better... |
| 19:36.19 | tremon | peterS: yeah, but you grew out of it ;) |
| 19:36.38 | Androiddawg | any idea why webpages give "dont have permission to view" error when I change permission of www directory from root to www-data? |
| 19:36.46 | D-Spair | Package management on Debian allows me to be lazy (most of the time), so I like that... |
| 19:37.09 | digital_ownage | t-corr, sounds like you are 12 years old |
| 19:37.19 | digital_ownage | or no, maby 14 |
| 19:37.29 | D-Spair | Androiddawg, Because the user which Apache is running as does not have permissions to those files... |
| 19:37.53 | D-Spair | Androiddawg, Or, you accidentally changed the mode so that read is not allowed... |
| 19:38.05 | D-Spair | Androiddawg, Could be any number of things... |
| 19:38.19 | Androiddawg | hmmm. ok, I will look into it some more |
| 19:38.35 | D-Spair | Androiddawg, run "ps aux | grep apache" and see which user your web server is running as... |
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| 19:39.05 | D-Spair | Androiddawg, Then, do an "ls -l" on the "www" directory to see if that user/group has permissions. |
| 19:39.15 | digital_ownage | btw d-spair, the solution by filling 8.8.8.8 etc worked |
| 19:39.16 | digital_ownage | thanks |
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| 19:39.28 | digital_ownage | +9 million for this great community |
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| 19:39.59 | digital_ownage | with very nice people who can tell everything perfect |
| 19:40.01 | D-Spair | digital_ownage, That address points to Google's public recursive DNS service, so you might get fed some extra advertisements because of it... |
| 19:40.05 | Androiddawg | the first to instances of apache are owned by root, the rest are woned by www-data |
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| 19:40.18 | digital_ownage | oh, I don't care, this is just for testing things out :p |
| 19:40.46 | digital_ownage | And Then I just use addblock or something |
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| 19:40.50 | Androiddawg | everything in www dir is owned by www-data |
| 19:41.00 | stew | that's generally a bad idea |
| 19:41.02 | Androiddawg | for troubleshoot purp, everything is 777 |
| 19:41.10 | stew | an even worse idea |
| 19:41.23 | digital_ownage | what is a worse idea, using addblock or..? |
| 19:41.26 | D-Spair | Androiddawg, And the mode? _rw_rw_rw_ or __w__w__w or __________ or what??? |
| 19:41.27 | Androiddawg | of coarse it will not stay that way, I'm just trying to troubleshoot |
| 19:41.32 | Androiddawg | all |
| 19:41.38 | stew | D-Spair: having www-data own everything is bad. 777 is worse |
| 19:41.42 | Androiddawg | drwxrwxrwx |
| 19:41.49 | Androiddawg | and -rwxrwxrwx |
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| 19:42.02 | D-Spair | stew, I know that... BTW, missed you at the KYOSS meeting last night... |
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| 19:42.19 | Androiddawg | I thought www-data ownership was the recommended security parctice |
| 19:42.23 | stew | oh hey there! |
| 19:42.29 | D-Spair | Androiddawg, Are there any ".htaccess" files in that directory? |
| 19:42.51 | stew | D-Spair: things are very hectic now with work, preparing for baby number 2 to arrive in 12 days |
| 19:42.54 | Androiddawg | hes |
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| 19:42.58 | Androiddawg | yes |
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| 19:43.07 | D-Spair | Androiddawg, No, oned by www-data is bad... Having read/execute perms for www-data is recommended... |
| 19:43.30 | Androiddawg | ok, so I should leave root as owner? |
| 19:43.31 | D-Spair | stew: Congrats!!! My wife is 8 weeks out from child number 1... |
| 19:43.50 | stew | cool! |
| 19:43.53 | D-Spair | Androiddawg, root is OK, non-pirv user would be better. |
| 19:44.01 | D-Spair | s/pirv/priv/ |
| 19:44.18 | jhutchins_wk | Androiddawg: Usually you want the files to be group www-data, with group read permissions (and group execute for directories). |
| 19:44.37 | D-Spair | Androiddawg, ^^^ Exactly! |
| 19:44.44 | jhutchins_wk | Androiddawg: www-data should almost never have write access. |
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| 19:44.59 | Androiddawg | oh, ok |
| 19:45.09 | Androiddawg | I thought I was securing my server :-( |
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| 19:45.20 | xgl__ | re |
| 19:45.21 | Androiddawg | by changing from root permission |
| 19:45.47 | D-Spair | Androiddawg, And the Debian config probably recognized the bad perms and blocked access... |
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| 19:45.57 | Androiddawg | oh..ok |
| 19:46.40 | Androiddawg | so, group own:www-data, user own:root, priv:644, or something like that? |
| 19:46.54 | Androiddawg | and then it will be secure? |
| 19:47.05 | D-Spair | Androiddawg, Yes, that would be perfect for files.. But the dirs need to be 755 |
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| 19:47.53 | Androiddawg | ok, so what happens if my www directory is populated by endless files. Is there a way to recursivly change this just for the directories? |
| 19:48.04 | Androiddawg | I tried to fin a way, to no avail earlier |
| 19:48.22 | Androiddawg | *sorry, I mean endless directories |
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| 19:49.17 | LtL | Androiddawg: yes there is |
| 19:49.24 | stew | Androiddawg: perhaps: find -type d -exec chmod 755 {} + |
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| 19:49.30 | Androiddawg | like chmod 644 -R /var/www/ will change for everything, but then is there a seperate way I can recursivly change to 755 just for the directories? |
| 19:49.44 | LtL | Androiddawg: find /var/www -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 755 # recursively sets all directories 755 |
| 19:49.52 | Androiddawg | GREAT! |
| 19:49.59 | Androiddawg | You guys are awesome |
| 19:50.09 | LtL | Androiddawg: find /var/www -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 644 # recursively sets all files 644 |
| 19:50.30 | stew | or find /var/www/ -type f -exec chmod 644 {} + |
| 19:50.44 | D-Spair | Androiddawg, Just remember that as you learn you should pay it forward... |
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| 19:51.51 | Androiddawg | D-Spair, what do you have a tip jar laying around here? |
| 19:52.28 | Androiddawg | (my attempt at humor) |
| 19:52.32 | Androiddawg | thanks so much |
| 19:52.33 | D-Spair | Androiddawg, No, I mean that you should help other people who come along... |
| 19:52.44 | Androiddawg | gotcha' |
| 19:53.10 | geggam | longs for the rtfm days where much hair was pulled |
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| 19:54.04 | D-Spair | geggam, That's why old *NIX guys have long bears and no hair.... :P |
| 19:55.39 | Lns | is frightened by the visual of a long bear |
| 19:55.55 | Lns | especially if they have no hair ;) |
| 19:56.20 | jhutchins_wk | maybe he meant no hare? |
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| 19:56.51 | tremon | not sure about that... a bear without hare is more likely to be hungry ;) |
| 19:57.51 | geggam | yeah... i shave my beard and what is left of my hair D-Spair |
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| 19:58.38 | Lns | a bear with no hare is a bear with a butt rash |
| 19:59.11 | geggam | bare hare ? |
| 19:59.18 | geggam | hair bear ? |
| 19:59.32 | geggam | bare hare |
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| 20:07.33 | KatyB | Hello, technicians. |
| 20:07.42 | D-Spair | Anyhow, back to my original question... I rebuilt the xtables-addons package to have support for the "TEE" target for iptables, but even though the xt_TEE module is loaded it still says that "TEE" is not a valid target... Any ideas? |
| 20:07.44 | KatyB | Anyone know any good general chat rooms? (social) |
| 20:08.12 | D-Spair | KatyB, Not on the freenode servers... |
| 20:08.16 | KatyB | OK |
| 20:08.21 | KatyB | a/s/l d-spair? |
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| 20:08.34 | D-Spair | Not in here. |
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| 20:08.48 | ompaul | !debian |
| 20:08.48 | dpkg | from memory, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 20:09.31 | jhutchins_wk | KatyB: #defocus, #debian-offtopic |
| 20:09.59 | KatyB | thanks jhuthchins |
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| 20:13.27 | tremon | D-Spair: TEE sounds like something that would only work in the prerouting chain |
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| 20:13.59 | D-Spair | tremon, I am using it in the PREROUTING chain... |
| 20:14.10 | tremon | ok, that's not it then :) |
| 20:14.14 | D-Spair | iptables -t mangle -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -d 192.168.150.3 -j TEE --gateway 192.168.150.5 |
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| 20:14.52 | D-Spair | tremon, That's pretty much straight from the xtables-addons man page. |
| 20:14.58 | tremon | only thing I can find is that it's supported in 2.6.35 and later |
| 20:15.05 | tremon | maybe ask in #netfilter? |
| 20:15.08 | D-Spair | I am |
| 20:15.14 | D-Spair | Thanks for the attempt though... |
| 20:16.29 | D-Spair | Wow.... I think that someone stole the #netfilter people's keyboards... It's a ghosttown there... |
| 20:18.28 | gnarface | they bear the shame of decades |
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| 20:19.17 | geggam | bzinga ? |
| 20:19.38 | tremon | D-Spair: one last wild guess... modprobe xt_TEE? |
| 20:20.04 | D-Spair | tremon, Yeah, it's definitely loaded... I even unloaded and reloaded it and even rebooted ... |
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| 20:30.13 | JasonWoof | I just got a nice internet connection (cable). I'd like to share this connection via my wifi card with my friends (who mostly have macs, but it would be nice if it also worked on the occasional windows laptop that visits.) |
| 20:30.46 | mentor | iptables NAT |
| 20:30.50 | JasonWoof | can I do something cool with mesh networking? or do I have to set my computer up like a standard wifi router (so I'm in AP mode) |
| 20:31.14 | JasonWoof | I've done the AP mode + NAT thing before |
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| 20:32.39 | JasonWoof | I've read that with this sort of setup, all communication between clients is bounced off the AP, which seems a waste, especially if the AP is ever down |
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| 20:35.50 | JasonWoof | A mesh seems especially cool in that other nodes can provide a bridge to the internet |
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| 20:36.33 | eptalon | heyas |
| 20:37.13 | eptalon | is it possible ot migrate a (lvm+raid) volume to non-lvm /non-raid? |
| 20:37.25 | eptalon | using debian tools? |
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| 20:39.33 | break19 | i dont know about *debian tools* but tar+ gzip works fine, as does rsync, and those hardly debian tools :) |
| 20:39.39 | tremon | eptalon: depends on what you mean with "migrate". You can't do live-migration, but once the machine is down you can use your favourite fs-level copy tool to move the data |
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| 20:40.26 | break19 | then, just reinstall your bootloader and whammo. back in business. |
| 20:40.52 | colonolGron | is there a general file to set my font? with general i mean the font for: tty, and X11 apps |
| 20:41.52 | eptalon | tremon: I currently have 300G (system, /,...), and 1.5T (/home); both are on RAID1, using one disk only (degraded). I want to move the whole to RAID5 (3x2T), plus boot disk. |
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| 20:42.14 | eptalon | tremon: but I can at any time only mount 4 drives (per mobo) |
| 20:42.25 | gnarface | colonolGron: no, there is not just one single location |
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| 20:43.13 | eptalon | tremon: all are mdadm+lvm+logical volume |
| 20:43.31 | colonolGron | gnarface: to set the font for X11 apps i have to set it in gtk conf? |
| 20:43.33 | tremon | eptalon: can you do sata hotswap and do you have backups? Why do you want to go to a non-lvm setup? |
| 20:44.12 | break19 | eptalon: back up the data.. create your raid and fs how you want, restore the backup. |
| 20:44.20 | eptalon | tremon: I have a 2x1.5T setup, 1 1.5T disk died (and was replaced, by a 2T model). |
| 20:44.30 | gnarface | colonolGron: for the ones that are gtk, yes |
| 20:44.56 | eptalon | tremon: and since RAID1 isn't easily extended, I decided raid5 would be neat. |
| 20:45.05 | colonolGron | gnarface: so there is also no generl for all X11 apps? |
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| 20:45.36 | gnarface | colonolGron: well there is stuff like ~/.Xdefaults but not everything obeys it |
| 20:45.49 | gnarface | colonolGron: and most stuff also has a native config file |
| 20:45.50 | eptalon | break19: I tohught LVM allowed to migrate logical volumes? |
| 20:45.51 | tremon | eptalon: that still doesn't explain why you want to go non-lvm, unless with "non-lvm" you mean that there is currently no lvm on the new disks |
| 20:46.09 | colonolGron | gnarface: good to know. thanks |
| 20:46.43 | tremon | eptalon: yes lvm can migrate volumes, but you said you wanted to go to a non-lvm setup. You can't migrate data off of an lvm volume |
| 20:46.56 | break19 | eptalon: I think you're wanting the functionality of zfs send/receive, but afaik, there is nothing for lvm/raid/etc on linux |
| 20:47.06 | eptalon | tremon: easiest to explain: What I want in the end is a "boot" disk, a 3x2T setup (RAID5), and that as "hassle-free" as possible. |
| 20:47.23 | tremon | eptalon: but if that is not what you meant, and you really do intend to keep lvm, here's a recipe: |
| 20:47.33 | eptalon | break19: xfs has a copy command. |
| 20:48.01 | break19 | eptalon: ah, was not aware. I dont use such esoteric filesystems :) |
| 20:48.05 | eptalon | break19: and zfs on linux was a big hassle, last time I tried, about a year ago. |
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| 20:48.41 | eptalon | break19: I have only had good experiences with xfs. |
| 20:49.29 | tremon | 1) add two of the new 2T disks as a new raid1 mirror, let them sync up 2) remove the 1T5 disk from the array 3) add the third 2T disk, and use mdadm --grow to move from raid1 to raid5 |
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| 20:50.21 | eptalon | tremon: how does a 3-disk raid1 work? |
| 20:51.23 | stew | anything you write to the array goes to all three disks |
| 20:51.31 | stew | belt and suspenders |
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| 20:51.33 | Jef91 | can anyone give me an example of how apt-key del works? |
| 20:52.07 | tremon | 4) resize the last partition on the disks to the end (or create a new partition) 5) reboot to let the kernel detect the modified partition table 6) use mdadm grow and/or vgextend to incorporate the new space into your lvm volume |
| 20:52.29 | tremon | Jef91: # apt-key del [id] |
| 20:52.30 | stew | Jef91: "apt-key del 7FAC5992" deletes the key with that id |
| 20:53.03 | Jef91 | So in this line -> pub 4096R/46D7E7CF 2009-05-15 |
| 20:53.07 | Jef91 | the 4096R |
| 20:53.08 | Jef91 | is the id? |
| 20:53.09 | tremon | eptalon: raid1 is mirroring, meaning all disks of the array contain the same data. It doesn't matter whether there are 2 disks in the array or 20 |
| 20:53.30 | tremon | 4096R is the strength, 46D7E7CF is the id |
| 20:53.34 | stew | Jef91: no, that says that it is a 4096 bit rsa key, 46D7E7CF is the id |
| 20:53.44 | eptalon | tremon: don't I need to partition the 2T drives before use? |
| 20:53.54 | Jef91 | thanks stew |
| 20:53.57 | Jef91 | that was the piece I was missing |
| 20:54.14 | eptalon | tremon: otherwise looks like a pretty data-conserving. |
| 20:54.41 | eptalon | ok, I'll try |
| 20:55.01 | tremon | eptalon: depends on what's now on the 1T5 disks. If you didn't partition them, you don't need to partition the 2T disks either. But you're right, it's best to partition beforehand |
| 20:55.16 | tremon | that way you won't need to reboot to make the kernel see the new partition table |
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| 20:55.34 | break19 | eptalon: the main FS's I use are: zfs, ufs2, ext4, hfs+ and ntfs (the latter two are on my wife's macbook pro, and another ntfs on the netbook I'm currently on) |
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| 20:57.19 | eptalon | break19: ext4 on /boot, all the rest are xfs. |
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| 20:58.34 | eptalon | had an hfs+ extenal disak; at some point, lost all data due to some repartitioning; since then avoid hfs+, as they don't seem to be recovery tools |
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| 20:59.08 | eptalon | tremon: suppose the 2T drives have 2T partitions, will that matter? |
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| 20:59.56 | eptalon | tremon: as long as I have the 1.5T partition, only 1.5T will be used on all of them. |
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| 21:00.44 | tremon | eptalon: it doesn't matter for mdadm, it works fine with uneven partitions |
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| 21:01.28 | eptalon | ok. |
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| 21:01.58 | tremon | but if you're going to create 1 giant partition on the entire disk (and you don't use windows), you may just as well use the raw disk in mdadm (e.g. /dev/sdc instead of /dev/sdc1) |
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| 21:03.27 | tremon | I usually don't do that because I want to keep my swap out of mdadm (so I have at least 2 partitions on each disk) |
| 21:03.49 | Phantomas | Any ideas why the glibc gshadow library doesn't work? |
| 21:03.58 | eptalon | tremon: I have swap on my 300G drive. |
| 21:04.16 | Phantomas | I think it has something to do with NSS, but not sure |
| 21:04.25 | eptalon | ok, will try them. Any time estimates for syncing 1.5T/reshaping? |
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| 21:05.07 | tremon | eptalon: no estimates, but I'd let it run overnight. I think the syncing will take longer than the 1->5 reshaping |
| 21:05.39 | eptalon | Ok. |
| 21:05.46 | eptalon | thanks, alot |
| 21:05.49 | eptalon | will try |
| 21:05.58 | tremon | also, make sure you enable the write-intent bitmap on raid5 |
| 21:06.05 | tremon | hrm... never mind ;) |
| 21:06.30 | tremon | !doesn't work |
| 21:06.30 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 21:07.45 | tremon | eyes around, notices it's eerily quiet for a room filled with 1200 people |
| 21:07.47 | javierHund` | care to elaborate on why doesn't work is not a vague statement? |
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| 21:09.30 | Phantomas | tremon: No it doesn't sit on the couch... it just doesn't give output :) |
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| 21:10.52 | Phantomas | tremon: To be more specific: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Td2sWGQc |
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| 21:10.56 | ompaul | smoking somebody else's while drinking all your coffee and telling you exactly how they would run the world if only they could get interested enough to join some as in any political party but think they are all corrupt so what's the point kind of doesn't work? |
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| 21:11.50 | ompaul | I'd started typing and had committed so much energy for four seconds I was never not going to hit enter ;-) |
| 21:12.16 | tremon | Phantomas: such a question would be best asked on a programming channel |
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| 21:12.28 | tremon | #c or #gcc, maybe glibc has its own channel |
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| 21:16.18 | Phantomas | tremon: I guess I could convert my question so it's not related to programming: Why sudo getent gshadow doesn't give any output? |
| 21:16.42 | tremon | Phantomas: do you have any password-protected groups? |
| 21:18.51 | tremon | group passwords are not used in Debian (or any linux that I know of), so there may not be anything to list |
| 21:19.54 | Phantomas | tremon: Yes I have one, but I don't think it should matter |
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| 21:20.41 | cramo | Are there any other Linux cloud storage options besides Ubuntu One? |
| 21:20.44 | tremon | also, shadow and gshadow are only readable by root |
| 21:20.53 | Phantomas | tremon: getent shadow prints all the users even if they don't have a password set |
| 21:21.12 | Phantomas | tremon: yes, I execute it as root |
| 21:21.44 | tremon | Phantomas: is shadow even enabled for group passwords? Or are the group passwords stored in /etc/group with crypt? |
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| 21:22.13 | Phantomas | tremon: they are in /etc/gshadow |
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| 21:22.53 | kevlarman | what's a group password? O_o |
| 21:23.10 | tremon | ok... sadly, I'm out of suggestions now :) |
| 21:23.34 | Phantomas | kevlarman: The password is used when an user who is not a member of the group wants to gain the permissions of this group |
| 21:24.01 | kevlarman | Phantomas: i've never seen that before |
| 21:24.17 | Phantomas | kevlarman: you can also set administrators for a group: "Administrators can change the password or the members of the group." |
| 21:24.21 | Phantomas | man gshadow |
| 21:24.24 | tremon | kevlarman: group passwords allow users to temporarily change their egid to the group's gid (man sg) |
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| 21:24.47 | tremon | yeah gshadow probably has more information |
| 21:24.52 | bbqgates | does anyone in here have experience installing the squeeze-backports fglrx driver? |
| 21:25.41 | tremon | Phantomas: does /etc/gshadow exist on your system? It's missing on mine (not surprising, as I've never used it) |
| 21:25.55 | bbqgates | i've installed fglrx-driver and fglrx-controls from backports and i've installed the 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 linux-image |
| 21:26.02 | Phantomas | tremon: yes it exists |
| 21:26.31 | bbqgates | and I've run 'update-initramfs -u' to update my initramfs file |
| 21:26.48 | bbqgates | but when I go to run 'glxinfo' or 'glxgears' I get an error |
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| 21:28.01 | bbqgates | when I was installing fglrx it informed me that I might need "radeon" firmware and I would need to add contrib and non-free to my sources.... but I already had those added and I have firmware-linux-free and firmware-linux-nonfree installed |
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| 21:28.55 | bbqgates | I searched aptitude for a firmware-radeon package, but I couldn't find one... where is the firmware for radeon? |
| 21:29.17 | bbqgates | im using a hd5450 card |
| 21:29.18 | tremon | bbqgates: you only need that firmware if you're using the open source driver |
| 21:29.18 | superstraw | I gave up on fglrx for my ati, bbqgates I think you have to download it from ati |
| 21:29.28 | superstraw | ah |
| 21:29.35 | superstraw | nm |
| 21:29.37 | tremon | bbqgates: for completeness, the firmware is in firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 21:30.00 | bbqgates | tremon, right I had that installed before i attempted to install fglrx from backports |
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| 21:30.26 | tremon | can't help you with fglrx though, I use only the radeon driver |
| 21:30.48 | bbqgates | I had the old fglrx backports (Catalyst ver. 11.4) working under squeeze just yesterday... but the newer fglrx backports messed me up :P |
| 21:32.00 | bbqgates | ok well thanks for the help tremon and superstraw |
| 21:32.20 | tremon | bbqgates: are you sure the newer fglrx supports your card? I know that new catalyst versions have dropped a lot of cards into legacy support |
| 21:32.43 | kevlarman | tremon: that's not in backports or squeeze |
| 21:32.48 | bbqgates | hmmm... could be.. but an hd5450 (evergreen series) isn't that old |
| 21:32.49 | tremon | ok |
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| 21:34.24 | bbqgates | no Catalyst ver 12.6 supports it, so the fglrx version of catalyst 12.3 should too |
| 21:36.40 | bbqgates | anybody here using testing fglrx with a stable squeeze with good results? |
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| 21:40.52 | bbqgates | I just don't see why the backports fglrx driver will not work with the backports kernel 3.2.0-bpo.2 |
| 21:41.32 | bbqgates | when I run 'glxinfo' this is the output -> X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation) |
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| 21:41.58 | bbqgates | oh plus I ran 'aticonfig --initial -f' |
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| 21:43.07 | bbqgates | maybe this is a dkms issue???? not building the driver correctly? |
| 21:43.37 | bbqgates | how can I get dkms to rebuild the driver? |
| 21:43.58 | tremon | that should be visible in dmesg or lsmod |
| 21:44.15 | tremon | you can simply modprobe fglrx and see if anything is logged |
| 21:44.53 | bbqgates | good call on the lsmod command tremon... let me look |
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| 21:45.44 | bbqgates | yeah... nothing... I assume it would be listed under fglrx right? |
| 21:46.08 | tremon | hopefully, yes |
| 21:46.09 | bbqgates | I looked at all my modules and none of them looked like a ati driver |
| 21:46.21 | bbqgates | hmm ok... well step one's done... id the problem |
| 21:46.24 | tremon | find /lib/modules -name fglrx.ko |
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| 21:47.09 | bbqgates | that command gives me nothing |
| 21:47.28 | tremon | nothing? not even for your previous kernel? |
| 21:47.48 | bbqgates | no... it's because I did a total install |
| 21:47.58 | bbqgates | so the old fglrx module wouldn't be listed |
| 21:48.08 | bbqgates | I wiped to old installation |
| 21:48.16 | bbqgates | edit: to -> the |
| 21:48.32 | bbqgates | so, to make this easy... I could just purge fglrx-driver and fglrx-control .... and reinstall them right? |
| 21:48.36 | tremon | ok... see the dkms manpage, I think you need dkms status |
| 21:48.44 | tremon | I guess... |
| 21:49.26 | bbqgates | oh jeez 'man dkms' looks complicated |
| 21:50.05 | bbqgates | ok I'm just gonna purge fglrx and try to reinstall them... lets see what happens |
| 21:51.08 | tremon | http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 21:51.17 | tremon | in case you haven't seen it |
| 21:51.21 | bbqgates | thks tremon for the link and the help |
| 21:51.41 | bbqgates | yeah... unfortunately I'm familiar with that page :) |
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| 21:53.26 | bbqgates | ok purge is done |
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| 21:54.43 | bbqgates | ok I forget... when aptitude lists a P and an I like "pi" next to a package what does it mean? |
| 21:55.06 | bbqgates | if anyone know off the top of their head... i can look it up in the man pages |
| 21:55.18 | bbqgates | edit know -> knows |
| 21:55.20 | tremon | current status -> intent |
| 21:55.42 | tremon | so pi is currently purged, will install |
| 21:55.49 | bbqgates | hmm.... ok |
| 21:55.52 | bbqgates | thanks again tremon |
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| 21:56.51 | bbqgates | ok now reinstalling... lets see what happens |
| 21:57.20 | bbqgates | ok now it's building it for 3.2.0-0.bpo.2 kernel... |
| 21:57.27 | bbqgates | ok that was a success |
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| 21:57.37 | bbqgates | DKMS: install Completed |
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| 21:57.54 | bbqgates | ok back after reboot... to report success or failure |
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| 22:00.53 | bbqgates | ok all... SUCCESS on the fglrx install |
| 22:00.56 | bbqgates | :D |
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| 22:01.13 | bbqgates | glxinfo and glxgears working fine with direct rendering |
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| 22:01.45 | bbqgates | thanks again tremon and superstraw |
| 22:01.52 | tremon | yw |
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| 22:05.47 | superstraw | :D |
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| 22:09.35 | bbqgates | does squeeze-backports have an ATI Stream SDK package? |
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| 22:14.56 | bbqgates | what the heck has amd done... the ati stream sdk now only supports pre-HD5xxx cards.... |
| 22:15.43 | bbqgates | oh wait it's called amd app sdk now... :P |
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| 22:18.46 | geggam | cusses bin/build.sh: line 74: /bin/sed: Argument list too long |
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| 22:20.21 | tremon | 32k arguments should be enough for everybody |
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| 22:22.17 | gez | Hi |
| 22:23.12 | gez | I just updated Testing and after the installation of the non-free nvidia drivers I lost color management. Does anybody had that problem? |
| 22:23.42 | gez | It doesn't load the profiles, I created a new display profile but it didn't work. |
| 22:25.32 | gez | I'm trying to figure out if the problem is the new drivers or there's something else (honestly I don't know where to start) |
| 22:29.03 | bbqgates | sounds like a driver issue to me gez... but I don't have non-free nvidia driver experience |
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| 22:29.47 | gez | yes bbqgates |
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| 22:30.30 | gez | I think the same, but I wanted to check first before breaking my production machine :) |
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| 22:31.33 | gez | how do I go back to the previous driver in Testing? |
| 22:31.54 | gez | (I'm kind of new here, I see only the current version in repositories) |
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| 22:32.53 | yugger | hi |
| 22:33.00 | yugger | this channel is like lesbian |
| 22:33.09 | yugger | hi |
| 22:33.12 | yugger | staffers |
| 22:33.23 | ansgar | !ops yugger |
| 22:33.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ansgar complains about: yugger |
| 22:33.36 | yugger | fuck off |
| 22:33.38 | yugger | niggers |
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| 22:34.00 | jelly-home | that was quick, thanks |
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| 22:36.47 | mentor | no worries |
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| 22:38.24 | travisgriggs | i'm having a hard time installing ntp on an lenny based arm single board computer. where does apt/dpkg put the "expanded" control files of the package before it executes them? i'd like to look into that to see if i can see why the postinst (i think) is failing... |
| 22:39.13 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell travisgriggs about bat |
| 22:39.47 | jelly-home | travisgriggs: /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.* if the package got to the unpack point |
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| 23:12.24 | jesselang | Anyone having problems with the 3.2.0-3-amd64 kernel on testing? Everything seems very slow. |
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| 23:30.54 | ascii_ | hello |
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| 23:33.56 | jesselang | Reverting to 3.2.0-2-amd64 appears to help quite a bit. |
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| 23:42.23 | gnarface | alright then i won't update |
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