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| 00:18.25 | trysten | i just noticed something that made me raise my eyebrow. this is the output of df -h http://paste.debian.net/178387/ |
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| 00:18.53 | trysten | what is the difference between rootfs and the other (obviously same) one? |
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| 00:21.46 | gnarface | trysten: i used to know the answer to that but i forgot |
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| 00:23.39 | trysten | gnarface: it's probably something related to df |
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| 00:44.55 | Diopter | trysten: http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/ramfs-rootfs-initramfs.txt |
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| 00:55.33 | trysten | thanks Diopter |
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| 00:57.12 | onur | hi, when I booting kernel it's switching to my monitors resolution and it sometimes stops at this point. How can I prevent this? |
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| 00:58.10 | Diopter | trysten: Sure thing. |
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| 01:10.24 | phasma | is anybody around willing to help me fix my resolution, please? |
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| 01:10.38 | abrotman | phasma: we need more details |
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| 01:10.54 | phasma | of course. Incoming |
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| 01:11.34 | CareBear\ | I'm looking for Aurelien Jarno - I've sent him a few emails over the last month but got no response. he used to respond but not this time. maybe he's on irc? |
| 01:12.03 | phasma | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/P0pzdGyT - I've tried adding a mode with xrandr, but it fails |
| 01:12.58 | phasma | maximum resolution for me is 1440x900 |
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| 01:13.26 | Diopter | phasma: How have you tried adding a mode? |
| 01:13.28 | euro | Diopter: re |
| 01:13.35 | Diopter | euro: Mm? |
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| 01:14.12 | abrotman | phasma: is this a server? |
| 01:14.14 | phasma | Diopter: xrandr --addmode default 1440x900 |
| 01:14.17 | phasma | nope |
| 01:14.25 | nsadmin | CareBear\, there's a database somewhere that relates dev (*@debian.org) email to irc nick |
| 01:14.26 | phasma | just a random box running sid |
| 01:14.28 | abrotman | phasma: what is 'uname -r' ? |
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| 01:14.42 | CareBear\ | nsadmin : how to look up? :) |
| 01:14.46 | euro | Diopter: I did change the cables and the swith, checked the NIC drivers... I still have this strange asymmety: http://pastebin.com/Vfdk7Dju |
| 01:14.48 | phasma | abrotman: 3.2.0-3-686-pae |
| 01:14.54 | abrotman | CareBear\: he may be on vacation .. be patient |
| 01:15.03 | nsadmin | not quite sure, I forgot it... maybe db.debian.org? |
| 01:15.06 | abrotman | phasma: how diod you intsall X ? |
| 01:15.17 | Diopter | euro: What do the IDs map to? |
| 01:15.24 | abrotman | CareBear\: what are the emails about ? |
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| 01:15.33 | phasma | abrotman: I did a sid upgrade. X was already installed |
| 01:15.33 | CareBear\ | abrotman : there were various commits here and there since I emailed him the first time |
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| 01:15.50 | abrotman | phasma: aptitude install xorg .. does it want to intsall anything ? |
| 01:15.54 | nsadmin | yep that's the one |
| 01:16.03 | phasma | abrotman: It's all in. Definitely |
| 01:16.07 | euro | Diopter: local IPs on my home LAN |
| 01:16.08 | abrotman | phasma: just make sure |
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| 01:16.15 | abrotman | phasma: and make sure your system is up to date |
| 01:16.58 | phasma | abrotman: Yep. Installs nothing. I literally just finished a fresh install right now |
| 01:17.30 | phasma | abrotman: This chipset is notoriously crap, but it definitely is possible to -somehow- get 1440x900. I am just not sure how to go about getting it |
| 01:17.42 | CareBear\ | abrotman : the libusb-1.0 package which he is maintainer of. I'm upstream, and I think the way he simply switched from libusb to the hostile fork libusbx without actually differentiating between the two sources in the package may warrant some coordination for the next libusb release, so that it can actually be made available to users if he wants to package it. |
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| 01:18.27 | abrotman | phasma: i'm sure it is crap .. i wasn't even aware SIS was still around :) |
| 01:18.36 | phasma | abrotman: :p |
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| 01:18.47 | phasma | abrotman: the box is only 2 years old |
| 01:19.06 | abrotman | CareBear\: he packages libusb and libusbx |
| 01:19.17 | CareBear\ | abrotman : no, libusbx is not a separate package |
| 01:19.29 | abrotman | same source package? |
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| 01:19.41 | CareBear\ | different source package, same binary package names |
| 01:19.49 | CareBear\ | different versions |
| 01:20.06 | abrotman | that's awesome |
| 01:20.15 | CareBear\ | not so much |
| 01:20.46 | CareBear\ | I mean, at least I don't think so, but I'm admittedly a noob at debian packaging |
| 01:20.48 | abrotman | that was sarcasm |
| 01:20.52 | CareBear\ | that's why I want to get in touch with him :) |
| 01:20.54 | CareBear\ | yes, I got it |
| 01:21.05 | abrotman | CareBear\: you could also file a bug on the package .. not sure how far that'd get you |
| 01:21.35 | abrotman | and/or email the debian-devel mailing list .. state the situation, explain you'd like to work more closely with Debian |
| 01:22.37 | CareBear\ | yes, I've been trying to work more closely with Aurelien for some time already, I first got in touch with him to find out about any unfixed bugs and patches, and fixed it all upstream |
| 01:22.46 | euro | Diopter: I have never used a giga eth network, so I'm new to this, I do not know what to expect really. I found this one guy that wrote "I expected the result for Up and Download bandwidth is each 1Mbps, 0.5Mbps" |
| 01:22.48 | euro | Diopter: regarding iperf |
| 01:22.49 | Diopter | euro: iperf can do way more than that, and you shouldn't expect crazy asymmetry like that anyway, unless you're iperf'ing over a cable modem or something |
| 01:22.49 | euro | Diopter: maybe that is what I should expect (asymmetry) |
| 01:22.49 | Diopter | euro: No. |
| 01:22.49 | euro | Diopter: Hmmm |
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| 01:22.50 | euro | Diopter: Thanks for clearing that. Then I know that I should keep on searching for something that is wrong |
| 01:22.50 | Diopter | euro: What kind of switch are you going through? And what kind of NICs on either end? |
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| 01:22.52 | euro | Diopter: when I run iperf -c 192.168.x.x -d i get lower bandwith BUT it is symmetric (at 230 Mbits/sec) |
| 01:23.12 | CareBear\ | abrotman : need I subscribe to debian-devel? |
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| 01:23.23 | abrotman | no, just ensure you note you're not subscribed |
| 01:23.29 | CareBear\ | ok, thanks |
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| 01:23.43 | CareBear\ | group reply, like linux lists? |
| 01:23.46 | abrotman | CareBear\: also, you may want to volunteer to package it for Debian yourself .. if yu have time |
| 01:23.50 | abrotman | CareBear\: pretty much |
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| 01:24.05 | CareBear\ | oh, well, how do I package? |
| 01:24.10 | CareBear\ | like I said, I'm a noob at this |
| 01:24.17 | CareBear\ | also, can I do that without being a debian developer? |
| 01:24.21 | abrotman | CareBear\: /msg dpkg nmb |
| 01:24.24 | abrotman | ih |
| 01:24.25 | abrotman | uh |
| 01:24.27 | abrotman | CareBear\: /msg dpkg nmg |
| 01:24.32 | abrotman | CareBear\: /msg dpkg mentors |
| 01:24.42 | abrotman | yay, five lines in a row .. i'm talking to myself now |
| 01:24.56 | pparadis | tosses abrotman the medication |
| 01:24.59 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:25.17 | Diopter | munches popcorn |
| 01:25.21 | pparadis | wait, this is a bottle of jameson! |
| 01:25.25 | peterrooney | looks for the trank gun |
| 01:25.53 | abrotman | tranq ? |
| 01:25.56 | peterrooney | I've never gotten out of hand. Ever. |
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| 01:26.24 | CareBear\ | abrotman : I guess I could do that.. I mean, I am interested in making it work well both on debian and everywhere else |
| 01:26.42 | abrotman | CareBear\: right, if you get it in Debian, it has a good chance of going to children distros |
| 01:27.56 | euro | Diopter: Zyxtel switch, NICs are TP-link with the realtek r8169 chip |
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| 01:28.11 | CareBear\ | abrotman : sure. for many years it was the only source package. the fork is very new and provides no much benefit. any good commits in the fork go also into normal libusb. |
| 01:28.32 | abrotman | why not ask them to merge it again ? |
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| 01:28.46 | CareBear\ | oh they are not interested in that |
| 01:29.07 | abrotman | oh ... those WeDontCareBears eh ? |
| 01:29.12 | pparadis | groan |
| 01:29.15 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:29.16 | Diopter | euro: To be honest you might be running into an issue with low-grade NICs/switch. |
| 01:29.22 | CareBear\ | abrotman : they find me damaging for the project |
| 01:29.24 | Diopter | euro: Not all GigE are created equal. |
| 01:29.29 | abrotman | CareBear\: okay .. |
| 01:29.47 | pparadis | euro: have you tried just putting another switch in place for testing? |
| 01:29.50 | pparadis | (another brand) |
| 01:29.53 | CareBear\ | abrotman : long story |
| 01:30.04 | abrotman | i would imagine |
| 01:30.46 | euro | Diopter: I do not have another giga swith, just tried a 100 switch (for what it is worth) |
| 01:31.01 | pparadis | euro: they're cheap as heck, but i've found these work very well --> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833156251 |
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| 01:31.07 | Diopter | euro: Could try hooking a cable directly between them. They might have Auto-MDIX, or you could use a crossover if you have one |
| 01:31.23 | pparadis | indeed, any those NICs iirc should automdix it. |
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| 01:31.34 | pparadis | (i think they were RTL8139s) |
| 01:31.43 | CareBear\ | abrotman : the fedora package maintainer is rather active in the fork, and when he blogged about the fork and that he switched fedora over to use it, most distributions switched too. when I talked to them they basically said "fedora switched, and everyone else seems to be switching, so we will switch too" |
| 01:32.08 | abrotman | weird .. |
| 01:33.02 | euro | pparadis: maybe both my swith and my NICs are crap |
| 01:33.32 | pparadis | euro: those NICs should work fine. i've seen exactly that chipset work just dandy before. |
| 01:33.47 | CareBear\ | abrotman : one forker filed a debian bug to switch, Aurelien replied to that with a really sound attitude I thought, so I didn't get in touch with him. he wanted to see how the code developed in both projects. then suddenly he had replaced the source package provider for the binary package.. |
| 01:34.04 | euro | pparadis: maybe the switch then |
| 01:34.28 | pparadis | euro: not saying one of the NICs isn't flaky, mind you, just that i'm not aware of any rampant issues with them. i'd bet on the switch or cabling. you really might test directly connecting the boxes first. |
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| 01:34.43 | Diopter | ^ |
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| 01:34.48 | euro | Dipoter: Tomorrow I will test putting a cable direct between my NICs |
| 01:34.53 | abrotman | CareBear\: that kind of stinks |
| 01:35.21 | euro | pparadis: I have tested the cables, no change there |
| 01:35.45 | CareBear\ | abrotman : I have no problem with distributions trying out new options, but the current way the package is versioned I'm not sure what I should do upstream to make something as useful as possible for debian |
| 01:35.54 | pparadis | alrighty. do you have yet another server to use as a third wheel for iperf testing? |
| 01:36.01 | abrotman | CareBear\: that's what the new maintainer guide may help you with |
| 01:36.07 | pparadis | i'm just trying to give you more ways to troubleshoot before you buy another switch. |
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| 01:36.15 | euro | pparadis: when I use a 100 switch the asymmetry goes away, but I do not know what that is worth |
| 01:36.24 | CareBear\ | abrotman : oh! it might actually cover this somewhat unusual case? |
| 01:36.38 | abrotman | CareBear\: yours could be libusb_forreal :) |
| 01:36.51 | pparadis | euro: well, you're nearly maxing out the 100 Mbit switch, right>? |
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| 01:37.05 | euro | pparadis: not a server, but I have a laptop running debian |
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| 01:37.27 | CareBear\ | abrotman : well I guess it would perhaps look nicer to use the respective names for the packages.. |
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| 01:37.46 | pparadis | euro: the 100 Mbit switch isn't going to be terribly useful for testing, because you already know you were pushing at least 300 Mbits/sec before. |
| 01:37.54 | CareBear\ | abrotman : is there a way to choose between multiple providers of the same functionality? the forkers are using the same soname. |
| 01:38.12 | pparadis | euro: does the laptop have a GigE interface on it? |
| 01:38.15 | euro | pparadis: 92 Mbits/sec symatric (on the slow switch) |
| 01:38.28 | pparadis | euro: yep, that's basically maxing it out when you account for overhead. |
| 01:38.45 | abrotman | CareBear\: symlinks is one way |
| 01:38.50 | abrotman | CareBear\: diverts ... |
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| 01:39.22 | CareBear\ | divert - this sounds like something I want to study :) |
| 01:39.33 | CareBear\ | euro pparadis : see also keyword bufferbloat |
| 01:39.38 | euro | paradis: should I wire up my laptop to the giga swith and test iperf on that? |
| 01:39.48 | pparadis | i think you have a bad switch or a flaky NIC. if your laptop has a GigE interface on it, you could try doing the two-way tests between it and each of the servers. if you get much better results between it and one of the servers, both ways, then you can posit that the NIC in the other server is flaky. |
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| 01:40.04 | drewery | hello |
| 01:40.30 | nsadmin | cello |
| 01:41.01 | euro | paradis: I am not sure if it has gigE, maybe |
| 01:41.13 | pparadis | euro: if you have the switch in the middle, you'll need to try different switch ports to rule any one port out as a cause. you could just directly connect the laptop to each of the servers in turn and test back/forth that way first. but that only helps if the laptop has a GigE interface on it. |
| 01:41.35 | euro | CareBear: what is keyword bufferbloat? |
| 01:41.57 | peterrooney | dpkg: bufferbloat |
| 01:41.57 | dpkg | peterrooney: wish i knew |
| 01:42.01 | CareBear\ | euro : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bufferbloat "Bufferbloat is a phenomenon in a packet-switched computer network whereby excess buffering of packets inside the network causes high latency and jitter, as well as reducing the overall network throughput." |
| 01:42.14 | euro | pparadis: I did as you said, tested different ports, no change |
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| 01:42.41 | euro | CareBear: hmm |
| 01:42.42 | pparadis | CareBear\: nod, but he's getting *really* bad results, and asymetrically bad at that, even just using iperf. |
| 01:42.59 | CareBear\ | ok |
| 01:43.02 | pparadis | euro: i'd almost put money on that switch at this point. what is it? |
| 01:43.44 | Diopter | pparadis: Said it was a zyxtel I think. |
| 01:43.45 | pparadis | euro: please tell me it's not a linksys :) |
| 01:43.51 | pparadis | alrighty |
| 01:43.58 | euro | pparadis: if I test connecting the NICs with a direct cable (no swith) then I will know right? |
| 01:44.04 | pparadis | you should. |
| 01:44.07 | CareBear\ | abrotman : I now only skimmed the nmg but there doesn't seem to be a clear answer to this situation |
| 01:44.18 | abrotman | CareBear\: oh, it's probably in the Policy |
| 01:44.19 | drewery | anybody on mac channel could shoot me an invite? |
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| 01:44.31 | abrotman | drewery: #macosx ? |
| 01:44.50 | euro | pparadis: no, maybe worse... it is a Zyxel |
| 01:44.57 | euro | pparadis: :-) |
| 01:44.59 | abrotman | CareBear\: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ap-pkg-diversions.html |
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| 01:45.09 | abrotman | CareBear\: not really sure if that's something that would be used in that case |
| 01:45.20 | drewery | I didn't try that, thanks abrotman |
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| 01:45.55 | CareBear\ | abrotman : hm, divert also doesn't seem to apply, since the fork uses identical filenames |
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| 01:46.40 | CareBear\ | abrotman : it seems that a better way might be with "alternatives" ? |
| 01:46.46 | abrotman | that's another method |
| 01:47.04 | euro | pparadis: is it complicated to configure for the direct cable test? I will search about it tomorrow |
| 01:47.08 | abrotman | CareBear\: the #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net might be a better place to ask for something that is this kind of situation |
| 01:47.16 | pparadis | euro: not at all complicated. |
| 01:47.23 | CareBear\ | abrotman : cool! thanks! |
| 01:47.32 | euro | pparadis: great |
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| 01:47.42 | euro | pparadis: and I do not need a twisted cable? |
| 01:47.47 | pparadis | you shouldn't. |
| 01:47.51 | drewery | let me ask you this, what channel would be the most popular security related channel? |
| 01:48.17 | abrotman | drewery: ask #defocus |
| 01:48.24 | euro | pparadis: good, thank you for helping me out. |
| 01:48.40 | pparadis | euro: thank the other guys, they contributed just as much or more :) |
| 01:48.43 | nsadmin | drewery. and/or /msg alis help |
| 01:48.53 | abrotman | drewery: there is a ##security |
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| 01:49.02 | euro | CareBaer, Diopter: thanx |
| 01:49.05 | CareBear\ | abrotman : it's tricky, I appreciate the help! |
| 01:49.21 | euro | pparadis: I type slow :) |
| 01:49.30 | pparadis | s'okay, i think slow! |
| 01:49.45 | drewery | #security is invite only. thanks guys |
| 01:49.50 | abrotman | drewery: ## |
| 01:49.55 | drewery | oh |
| 01:50.02 | pparadis | for when you just gotta pound it twice. |
| 01:50.03 | pparadis | runs |
| 01:50.08 | euro | pparadis: please, do not insult your brain, that is the only one you have :) |
| 01:50.19 | pparadis | hehe |
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| 01:52.23 | drewery | yah! worked thanks again! |
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| 01:56.37 | phasma | ok, getting somewhere with this, but if I may request help in actually resolving this issue, I'd be grateful: http://paste.debian.net/178398/ |
| 01:57.16 | euro | Zzz |
| 01:57.48 | abrotman | phasma: for what part? |
| 01:58.55 | phasma | abramart: Well. It's clearly now trying to load the sis driver, although it's falling back to vesa if I am understanding this correctly |
| 01:59.08 | abrotman | that's what it seems to say |
| 01:59.22 | phasma | which will obviously explain why I can't go above 1024x768 |
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| 02:00.25 | phasma | I hand crafted this: http://paste.debian.net/178399/ - No luck |
| 02:00.55 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:01.40 | stew | phasma: is the sisfb kernel module loaded? |
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| 02:03.20 | phasma | stew: Just loaded it, although it did not return whether it was already loaded. Be right back. Testing |
| 02:03.51 | stew | phasma: after loading it does /dev/fb0 exist? |
| 02:04.23 | stew | phasma: you sould be trying this without a xorg.conf |
| 02:05.28 | phasma | http://paste.debian.net/178401 |
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| 02:05.58 | phasma | yep, no /dev/fb0 exists |
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| 02:06.36 | phasma | and I tried my xorg.conf just once. Have been leaving it to auto-detect since that one attempt |
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| 02:09.41 | carandraug | Hi! I'm trying to fill a report on my university help system (having a problem with VPN) and was wondering if someone could just point me out something. I want to make it simple for them. Basically, I can connect to systems given their IP address, and when I can do a reverse lookup with host. However, using the hostname given I simply get an unknown host error |
| 02:10.19 | carandraug | does anyone has any idea what's could be wrong? |
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| 02:10.43 | nsadmin | carandraug, misconfigured web server? |
| 02:11.22 | nsadmin | what is the hostname? |
| 02:11.41 | carandraug | nsadmin, af-lab.nuigalway.ie. Should be only visible inside the VPN |
| 02:12.28 | carandraug | nsadmin, I had its IP address so I can use it. However, there's other systems on the network whose hostname I do not know. |
| 02:12.51 | nsadmin | let me just check out the domain... |
| 02:13.49 | carandraug | nsadmin, if I do "host 10.202.0.156" I get "156.0.202.10.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer af-lab.nuigalway.ie.". But if I try ping af-lab.nuigalway.ie I get an unknown host error |
| 02:13.54 | nsadmin | the domain has an SOA record, but not an A record |
| 02:14.14 | abrotman | carandraug: this is against the internal DNS? |
| 02:14.19 | pparadis | i was gonna say, what do you get if you do "host af-lab.nuigalway.ie"? |
| 02:14.45 | carandraug | pparadis, I get a "Host af-lab.nuigalway.ie not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)" |
| 02:14.50 | pparadis | having a PTR record on the IP isn't going to help you resolve anything :) |
| 02:15.00 | pparadis | yep, no A record in DNS. what's in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 02:15.06 | carandraug | abrotman, should be. These names should not be visible outside |
| 02:15.14 | abrotman | carandraug: does the VPN give you a different nameserver? |
| 02:15.25 | nsadmin | oh wait, it's nuigalway.ie which has the SOA |
| 02:15.27 | pparadis | since you're connected over a VPN, are you using the correct resolver? |
| 02:15.40 | abrotman | carandraug: right .. so they need to configure the VPN's DNS to resolve that name, right ? |
| 02:15.51 | carandraug | pparadis, on resolv.conf I get one generated automatically. It's from my ISP |
| 02:16.09 | pparadis | carandraug: you can't use your ISP's DNS resolvers to resolve things inside that VPN. |
| 02:16.13 | abrotman | carandraug: you're going to have to add some internal DNS .. They didn't give you one? |
| 02:16.31 | pparadis | it probably exists, there's likely an option in your VPN client to allow the VPN server to push DNS settings to you. |
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| 02:17.03 | carandraug | abrotman, pparadis no, they didn't gave me any internal DNS IP. Actually they only support one VPN client, from cisco which is not free. I'm using the gnome vpnc client |
| 02:17.16 | pparadis | is there an option to push DNS with that? |
| 02:17.26 | nsadmin | so the surrounding domain has 5 name servers |
| 02:17.31 | carandraug | actually they didn't even gave me the secret for the VPN it was all encoded on their client |
| 02:17.35 | pparadis | alternately, when you're connected to the VPN, what internal IP over there gives you your VPN IP? |
| 02:17.40 | abrotman | carandraug: do you know anyone that uses the official client and it does resolve? |
| 02:17.58 | carandraug | pparadis, yes there is. I just don't know it. But I'll try to ask for it. Thank you |
| 02:18.02 | pparadis | carandraug: try this: |
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| 02:18.22 | pparadis | dig @10.202.0.1 af-lab.nuigalway.ie |
| 02:18.51 | haole | hello there... i'm using debian squeeze and i have sound only with the root user, and my normal user account is a member of the audio group... what could be wrong? |
| 02:18.53 | carandraug | abrotman, not really. I'm the only one on the lab that needs it |
| 02:19.03 | pparadis | carandraug: did you try the dig command above? |
| 02:19.45 | carandraug | pparadis, ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 02:20.07 | pparadis | okay, here's another one. do you have a host inside the VPN you can log into over SSH? |
| 02:20.19 | nsadmin | is exdns0.nuigalway.ie. hidden? |
| 02:20.29 | abrotman | sounds like .. externaldns ... |
| 02:20.43 | carandraug | pparadis, yes. I have two systems where I have root permissions |
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| 02:20.54 | pparadis | carandraug: great. log into one of them and see what's in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 02:21.15 | carandraug | nsadmin, I do not know. But it is not one of my systems. I'm just one student in the whole university |
| 02:21.17 | nsadmin | abrotman, what's that? |
| 02:21.18 | pparadis | carandraug: the idea here is if at least one of them is using an internal resolver, you should be able to use that as well. |
| 02:21.26 | abrotman | wow ... |
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| 02:22.03 | pparadis | carandraug: if that doesn't get you anywhere, just ask the helpdesk one simple question "what is the IP address of the internal DNS resolver i need to be using when i'm connected to the VPN?" |
| 02:22.12 | nsadmin | it doesn't seem to have an address, and it's listed as the primary dns for the domain |
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| 02:22.20 | carandraug | pparadis, I have "ameserver 172.16.7.141 \ nameserver 172.16.7.142 \ search nuigalway.ie" |
| 02:22.41 | pparadis | hey hey |
| 02:22.44 | nsadmin | carandraug, can you ping 172.16.7.141 from where you are? |
| 02:22.44 | pparadis | that looks promising |
| 02:22.54 | carandraug | pparadis, I'll use these on my VPN client. That should work I guess |
| 02:23.13 | pparadis | carandraug: what happens when you do this? dig @172.16.7.141 af-lab.nuigalway.ie |
| 02:23.34 | carandraug | nsadmin, I can |
| 02:24.03 | nsadmin | cool, and howbout pparadis's dig cmd? |
| 02:24.27 | carandraug | pparadis, a lot of stuff. Should I pastebin it? |
| 02:24.41 | abrotman | carandraug: did it return an IP ? |
| 02:24.45 | pparadis | no need unless you don't understand the output? do you see an A record listed? |
| 02:24.58 | nsadmin | howbout the line that starts ;; flags: |
| 02:25.12 | carandraug | abramart, I see some |
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| 02:25.25 | pparadis | carandraug: pastebin it :) |
| 02:25.35 | carandraug | pparadis, yes. I see 4 columns with an A |
| 02:25.41 | pparadis | oh you're good then. |
| 02:26.01 | pparadis | you should be able to use those resolvers in your /etc/resolv.conf while you're connected to the VPN. |
| 02:26.13 | nsadmin | see the line near the top where it says ANSWER: |
| 02:26.18 | pparadis | there's probably an option in your VPN client to specify resolvers as well. |
| 02:26.22 | nsadmin | what number is after that? |
| 02:26.37 | carandraug | http://pastebin.com/hRdyK335 |
| 02:26.46 | pparadis | that looks great. |
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| 02:27.10 | pparadis | is 10.202.0.156 the IP you can go directly to for that system, but couldn't use the hostname for before? |
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| 02:27.24 | pparadis | i think it was. |
| 02:27.29 | carandraug | nsadmin, that was the IP address of the name I gave |
| 02:27.40 | pparadis | it works then |
| 02:27.43 | carandraug | pparadis, yes it is |
| 02:27.57 | carandraug | pparadis, ok. Cool. Thank you |
| 02:28.01 | pparadis | \o/ |
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| 02:28.20 | carandraug | nsadmin, abrotman, pparadis thanks a million guys. You were great help |
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| 02:28.54 | nsadmin | carandraug, small tip on reading dig output... there is a line that starts ;; flags: |
| 02:29.06 | nsadmin | that same line also has ANSWERS: and a number |
| 02:29.15 | carandraug | I see on my client (a client free as is freedom ) where to set the DNS server too |
| 02:29.25 | nsadmin | that number is the number of direct answers to the question you posed to dig |
| 02:29.26 | abrotman | carandraug: good luck |
| 02:29.28 | pparadis | good deal. |
| 02:30.18 | carandraug | nsadmin, what does it mean direct answer? And there's others numbers there |
| 02:30.39 | pparadis | carandraug: http://www.madboa.com/geek/dig/ |
| 02:30.45 | nsadmin | the whole line is a summary, and you can check that line for something like "relative validity", so if for example you get a 0 for answers, the output still might have info, but no answers to the question you posed to dig |
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| 02:31.20 | nsadmin | carandraug, there will be only one number immediately to the right of ANSWERS: |
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| 02:32.02 | nsadmin | carandraug, for example look at this one: |
| 02:32.08 | nsadmin | ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 5, ADDITIONAL: 5 |
| 02:32.17 | carandraug | nsadmin, yes. I meant the AUTHORITY and ADDITIONAL |
| 02:32.48 | pparadis | that last link is really good for general understanding ;). |
| 02:32.56 | pparadis | it breaks down each section and explains it. |
| 02:33.02 | abrotman | carandraug: you sohuld probably just read the docs |
| 02:33.13 | abrotman | they're not hard to understand |
| 02:33.24 | nsadmin | right, for example, that line shows there is one answer in the output, as well as five "AUTHORITY" lines |
| 02:33.31 | carandraug | pparadis, I'm reading it now too |
| 02:33.57 | abrotman | that way nsadmin doesn't have to repeat the whole thing in the channel |
| 02:34.08 | abrotman | creating a whole heck of a lot of noise, etc |
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| 02:34.17 | nsadmin | the AUTHORITY responses show the five name servers that have authority over the name |
| 02:34.18 | carandraug | abrotman, I have some knowledge for been playing with linux for a few years now. But still, I'm just a biologist :p |
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| 02:34.57 | batzy | Hey everyone, I just did a CD install and I've been trying to connect to the internet either wirelessly or wired, but nothing seems to work |
| 02:35.10 | abrotman | batzy: lspci -nn, what are the devices? |
| 02:35.15 | batzy | I think it may have something to do with the wpa2 encryption |
| 02:35.21 | batzy | abrotman: you want the wired or wireless? |
| 02:35.26 | batzy | I have an atheros chipset |
| 02:35.27 | nsadmin | carandraug, this stuff is easier, it will always give identical response for identical input... biological things might not |
| 02:35.44 | abrotman | batzy: both .. |
| 02:35.53 | abrotman | batzy: and which installer are you using ? |
| 02:35.53 | batzy | mk |
| 02:36.02 | batzy | I installed already. |
| 02:36.16 | abrotman | batzy: then what is 'uname -r' ? |
| 02:36.16 | batzy | I skipped the network config in the install because it just was having too many problems |
| 02:36.17 | stonerfish | did it find wired network on install? |
| 02:36.22 | batzy | Nope. |
| 02:36.26 | stonerfish | oh |
| 02:36.42 | carandraug | nsadmin, yes. That's why I'm trying to move into more informatics during my PhD. I have learn how to write some code and I think I may change the area when I'm done. My PI is pretty unhappy |
| 02:36.54 | batzy | 2.6.32-5amd64 @ abrotman |
| 02:37.05 | abrotman | batzy: fairly new system ? |
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| 02:37.37 | carandraug | nsadmin, and the additional section lists their IPs. It's quite easy to understand, thank you guys |
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| 02:37.50 | batzy | abrotman: the install? |
| 02:37.55 | batzy | The install is very new yes. |
| 02:38.04 | batzy | the computer itself is fairly new as well |
| 02:38.26 | nsadmin | carandraug, yes |
| 02:38.35 | abrotman | batzy: lspci -nn .. what sort of device is the wired NIC ? |
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| 02:38.59 | nsadmin | looks like I have to add something to a report I filed last week |
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| 02:40.05 | batzy | abrotman: ahteros communication device (rev c0) |
| 02:40.15 | abrotman | that's your wired device ? |
| 02:40.28 | batzy | Yes |
| 02:40.35 | batzy | It says ethernet controller next to it? |
| 02:40.39 | batzy | So I assume it is |
| 02:40.41 | abrotman | what's the other one ? |
| 02:41.21 | haole | hello there... i'm using debian squeeze and i have sound only with the root user, and my normal user account is a member of the audio group... what could be wrong? |
| 02:41.53 | stonerfish | does "modprobe -l" show ath9k in it's output |
| 02:42.12 | stonerfish | batzy@ |
| 02:42.51 | batzy | uh |
| 02:42.56 | batzy | one second, for both of you |
| 02:42.58 | dvs | haole: If you just added the normal user to the audio group, you need to log out and back in again. |
| 02:43.08 | stonerfish | from my lspci -v -v |
| 02:43.24 | haole | dvs: nope... if i type "groups" in any terminal, it shows the audio group and i've just restarted :( |
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| 02:43.36 | stonerfish | 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9287 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) |
| 02:43.40 | batzy | stonerfish: there's A LOT of output |
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| 02:44.04 | abrotman | -nn is more usfeul |
| 02:44.16 | batzy | abrotman: |
| 02:44.36 | batzy | it's atheros network controller ar9285 wireless c |
| 02:44.37 | stonerfish | modprobe -l | grep ath9k |
| 02:44.51 | abrotman | batzy: that's your wifi .. what's the wired one ? |
| 02:45.08 | batzy | abrotman: I told you the wired one before, and stonerfish ath9k is there |
| 02:45.09 | abrotman | batzy: do you have another CD or USB stick to install ? |
| 02:45.19 | abrotman | the squeeze installer doesn't support wpa2 |
| 02:45.25 | batzy | I see. |
| 02:45.28 | batzy | Yes I do. |
| 02:45.39 | stonerfish | Well you kernel finds your wireless device |
| 02:45.58 | abrotman | batzy: did you use the netinst or CD1 ? |
| 02:46.04 | batzy | CD1 |
| 02:46.18 | abrotman | batzy: did you `apt-cache search wpa` to see if there are any tools on there? |
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| 02:46.43 | batzy | No, let me do that now |
| 02:47.23 | batzy | abrotman: nope. |
| 02:47.30 | batzy | it has wpa_supplicant installed though |
| 02:48.09 | abrotman | !tell batzy about wpa |
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| 02:49.16 | batzy | abrotman: was that suppose to do something? |
| 02:49.28 | abrotman | batzy: the bot should have told you something |
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| 02:49.34 | abrotman | batzy: check your other windows |
| 02:49.47 | stonerfish | tell us all bot |
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| 02:50.35 | batzy | ah yes |
| 02:50.37 | batzy | it pmed me |
| 02:50.42 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:50.42 | pparadis | yep |
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| 02:51.12 | batzy | abrotman: wpa_supplicant hasn't worked for me either. |
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| 02:53.26 | batzy | does it matter between wpa2 and wpa? |
| 02:53.26 | abrotman | batzy: you can try to get the 3.2 kernel from backports.debian.org and see if that makes your wired NIC cooperate |
| 02:53.35 | batzy | I believe i have wpa |
| 02:53.37 | abrotman | batzy: or reinstall with the kmuto installer, or even try the wheezy installer |
| 02:54.05 | batzy | kmuto installer? |
| 02:54.08 | batzy | That will work? |
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| 02:54.12 | batzy | And where is it located |
| 02:54.18 | abrotman | !tell batzy about kmuto |
| 02:54.32 | abrotman | the kmuto installer will use a 3.x kernel |
| 02:55.18 | batzy | Okay. |
| 02:56.01 | batzy | so |
| 02:56.03 | batzy | i dl one of these |
| 02:56.06 | batzy | tar.gz files..? |
| 02:56.10 | batzy | Extract it to a disk? |
| 02:56.35 | nsadmin | what;s the complete name of the thing you downloaded? |
| 02:57.12 | batzy | oh nvm |
| 02:57.14 | batzy | got it |
| 02:57.41 | batzy | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/backports/squeeze/squeeze-custom-amd64-0315.iso is what i got |
| 02:57.55 | nsadmin | thanks |
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| 02:58.53 | nsadmin | now you can do one of several things, one of which is write the iso directly to a cd blank and boot |
| 02:59.00 | batzy | yup |
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| 03:07.00 | no-name- | when you choose the architecture of the debian to download, what is the "el" at the end of "mipsel", "armel", etc? |
| 03:07.27 | pparadis | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIPSel |
| 03:07.31 | batzy | abrotman: kmuto should work though |
| 03:07.33 | batzy | ? |
| 03:07.59 | no-name- | pparadis: ahh, ty |
| 03:08.03 | pparadis | np |
| 03:08.18 | no-name- | I see there is an armel but not an arm, will it work for all arm processors? |
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| 03:10.09 | pparadis | no-name-: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bi-endian#Bi-endian_hardware |
| 03:11.32 | pparadis | no-name-: more info --> http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ |
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| 03:11.47 | no-name- | thanks |
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| 03:44.43 | cretsiah | im having trouble with my browsers iceweasel,chromium, epiphany, they are all locking up where any video content seems to be such as news sites, i have 2gig of ram, 2ghz cpu single core, am running gnome 2.3 and have mainly security updates just wondering if the system is now to old to run any latest linux systems |
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| 03:48.00 | peterrooney | cretsiah: I had similar issues until I switched my browsers to backported versions. |
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| 03:48.35 | reuf | i want to search bash history for a command containing certain string - how do i go about this? |
| 03:48.41 | peterrooney | mutters, "interoperability standards, my ass" |
| 03:48.51 | peterrooney | reuf: ^R |
| 03:49.26 | pparadis | reuf: grep? |
| 03:49.27 | Diopter | readline emacs bindings ftfw |
| 03:49.32 | peterrooney | followed by the string to search your history for |
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| 03:51.58 | cretsiah | :( not sure how to do that, the "about gnome" says build date 12/11/10 if that means anything (i presume that the kernel stuff will be from time period as well) |
| 03:54.18 | dax | !debian-backports |
| 03:54.18 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>. |
| 03:55.19 | dax | which has Iceweasel 10 in it, which should work a lot better than 3. |
| 03:55.38 | dax | You might also check that you don't have gnash installed, which tends to go a bit nuts on my system |
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| 03:58.23 | cretsiah | maybe my systemi snt updated enough lol ... iceweasel is version3.5.16 lol |
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| 04:00.22 | ner0x | Phttp://paste.scsys.co.uk/202420 Anyone have any idea why this doesn't actually start my app at all? |
| 04:00.34 | ner0x | Mind the extra P at the beginning of that URL. Didn't mean that. |
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| 04:02.22 | zykotick9 | dax: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 04:02.30 | dax | zykotick9: I'm aware. |
| 04:02.38 | zykotick9 | dax: sorry |
| 04:03.05 | dax | (if you plug the ESR release into that site, it tells you to use debian-backports, which I think is a rather sane suggestion, personally) |
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| 04:04.20 | zykotick9 | dax what does esr stand for? |
| 04:04.54 | prime | equivalent series resistance |
| 04:04.54 | dax | zykotick9: Extended Support Release |
| 04:05.03 | dax | Eric S. Raymond :3 |
| 04:05.04 | zykotick9 | dax: thanks |
| 04:05.12 | zykotick9 | ;) |
| 04:07.41 | gnarface | why can't we have the real ffmpeg instead of this ghetto knockoff? |
| 04:08.13 | zykotick9 | gnarface: i'd "guess" due to AAC which is non-free upstream |
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| 04:12.18 | stew | gnarface: what makes you think that ffmpeg isn't the "real" ffmpeg? |
| 04:12.39 | zykotick9 | stew: it doesn't support mp4 |
| 04:12.51 | jagginess | says there's avconv, which is close to ffmpeg |
| 04:13.14 | gnarface | stew: well the people in #ffmpeg said it wasn't the real ffmpeg |
| 04:13.25 | zykotick9 | jagginess: does avconv do mp4? that's not in default squeeze though :( |
| 04:13.28 | gnarface | stew: and they refused to support it |
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| 04:13.42 | stew | gnarface: is there some problem you are having with ffmpeg? |
| 04:14.12 | gnarface | stew: yes |
| 04:14.22 | stew | gnarface: and what is that... |
| 04:14.51 | gnarface | stew: when i try to rip a VOB it fucks it up |
| 04:14.52 | zykotick9 | also dreams of webm being supported outside (whatever debian-multimedia got renamed to) |
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| 04:15.34 | gnarface | stew: apparent playback framerate appears uneven, as though its transcoded with a fluxuating framerate. i assume its actually a problem in how its reading it though. |
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| 04:19.12 | gnarface | stew: this did not used to happen when it was really ffmpeg |
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| 04:21.00 | stew | gnarface: sorry |
| 04:21.06 | zykotick9 | gnarface: if you want a dump of a VOB file, i'd check out mplayer vo and ao options |
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| 04:23.34 | cretsiah | bbl thanx, peterrooney and dax |
| 04:24.29 | jagginess | thinks http://www.videolan.org/vlmc/#features looks interesting |
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| 04:25.34 | zykotick9 | jagginess: i've personally never found vlc to be nearly as powerful as command line mplayer on a unix-like system |
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| 04:26.22 | jagginess | zykotick9, i'm not talking about the vlc player http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avconv .. vlc seems to be connected to avconv |
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| 04:27.21 | zykotick9 | jagginess: i see libav-tools in squeeze, it this what your talking about? |
| 04:27.47 | jagginess | you dont know why avconv started? |
| 04:28.05 | jagginess | you should read why avconv exists.. (theyre in contact with vlc project developers) |
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| 04:30.56 | zykotick9 | squeeze->wheezy question - seeing as aptitude doesn't currently support multiarch - is apt-get going to becomes debian's single "recommended" terminal package manager with wheezy? |
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| 04:32.05 | stew | zykotick9: aptitude seems to support multiarch just fine |
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| 04:33.33 | stew | I have done very little with multi-arch, but at least when I try to ask aptitude to do something it wants to do something sane |
| 04:33.43 | stew | zykotick9: what problems are you having with aptitude and multiarch? |
| 04:33.46 | zykotick9 | stew: i thought aptitude was only recently resurrected from the "no support" category |
| 04:33.57 | zykotick9 | stew: i ONLY really run stable |
| 04:34.53 | stew | zykotick9: i've never heard of aptitude being in a "no support category" |
| 04:35.06 | zykotick9 | i'm asking in future versions (wheezy) is aptitude is supported. it's certainly not on ubuntu, my wheezy/sid KVM VM break regularily and often and are not what i'd personally use) |
| 04:35.07 | stew | its the tool we recommend most around here |
| 04:35.24 | stew | aptitude is not on ubuntu? |
| 04:35.35 | stew | crazy |
| 04:35.36 | Diopter | zykotick9: By "supported" I think you're really meaning "included in some variety of default install" |
| 04:35.54 | Diopter | stew: A basic Precise install doesn't include aptitude currently |
| 04:36.08 | stew | what? |
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| 04:36.33 | blackshirt | hello, |
| 04:36.36 | stew | its Priority: important, so it should get installed |
| 04:36.39 | stew | err |
| 04:36.45 | stew | what do you mean by "Precise install"? |
| 04:36.52 | zykotick9 | stew: certaily not by default ;) - i use aptitute since i converted from ubuntu, i thought it a right-of-passage to debian-hood. but now i'm worried i'm going to be returning to apt-get with wheezy. |
| 04:36.58 | blackshirt | I have something strange on my filesystem |
| 04:36.59 | Diopter | stew: Precise. 12.04. |
| 04:37.13 | stew | oh, its a ubuntu codename |
| 04:37.26 | zykotick9 | Diopter: not really - are you sure aptitude in debian supports multiarch? stew |
| 04:37.26 | Diopter | zykotick9: aptitude isn't discluded from Wheezy in any way, shape or form |
| 04:37.45 | Diopter | blackshirt: Something strange? In your neighborhood? |
| 04:37.50 | nezZario | how do I go from squeeze->wheezy? |
| 04:38.37 | Diopter | !tell nezZario about squeeze->wheezy |
| 04:39.05 | zykotick9 | nezZario: why downgrade ;) only joking - i'm just a "stable" person |
| 04:39.05 | stew | nezZario: do something similar to the lenny->squeeze procedure as documented in chapter 4 of the squeeze release notes |
| 04:39.37 | blackshirt | diopter, i have filesystem with xfs formatted.. In /var/lock .. There are aptitude file .. But boot script can't clean it.. |
| 04:39.46 | nezZario | i've been using wheezy on my own servers for months with zero issue |
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| 04:40.05 | nezZario | or, my "home base" servers.. this dang ec2 one i just setup came with squeeze .. trying to get s3ql setup |
| 04:40.16 | blackshirt | i try remove it manually, but i can't remove it with rm |
| 04:40.18 | nezZario | wanna give this bugger a shot. looks like best chance for actual data deduplication on ec2 |
| 04:40.26 | StretchedALot | Can Debian help me with my diarrhea problem? |
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| 04:40.39 | simonlnu | !ops StretchedALot troll |
| 04:40.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: simonlnu complains about: StretchedALot troll |
| 04:40.45 | Diopter | StretchedALot: apt-get install immodium |
| 04:40.58 | nezZario | lmao |
| 04:41.12 | StretchedALot | nice I will try that |
| 04:41.20 | StretchedALot | hey it didn't work |
| 04:41.21 | StretchedALot | :o |
| 04:41.39 | StretchedALot | is there a debian compatible program that will use a sensor to analyze the liquid |
| 04:41.48 | StretchedALot | and determine the bacteria that is causing the diarrhea? |
| 04:41.59 | zykotick9 | Diopter: i notice you didn't use aptitude ;) |
| 04:42.08 | nezZario | ehh.. so wheezy is frozen |
| 04:42.14 | nezZario | which means it'll be marked stable soon? |
| 04:42.42 | Diopter | nezZario: Wheezy is frozen? Says who? |
| 04:42.52 | Diopter | Oh... guess the topic does. Interesting |
| 04:42.55 | stew | Diopter: says the release team |
| 04:44.03 | StretchedALot | OMFG SO CAN DEBIAN HELP ME WITH MY DIARRHEA? |
| 04:44.07 | StretchedALot | OR WILL I HAVE TO STICK TO WINDOWS? |
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| 04:44.14 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@93.89.92.12] by stew |
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| 04:44.22 | nezZario | uhhhhh |
| 04:44.34 | nezZario | so... theoretically would would happen if I ran out of space during the dist-upgrade? |
| 04:44.47 | Diopter | nezZario: ... don't do that? :P |
| 04:45.00 | Diopter | nezZario: What's taking up extra space? New packages being downloaded? |
| 04:45.01 | jagginess | nezZario, black hole would be created |
| 04:45.30 | nezZario | well theres about to be one somewhere in new orleans.. damn man |
| 04:45.54 | nezZario | yeah i don't know, .. it's a vps that only had a 1GB / .. and sure as anything it just ran out of space |
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| 04:47.05 | Diopter | nezZario: So... clean out the downloaded packages, and try restarting it |
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| 04:47.18 | jagginess | stew, that troll is spamming me in pm with really disgusting messages.. i reported it to #freenode |
| 04:47.44 | nezZario | meh, i'll just launch a new instance .. the awesomeness of virtualization |
| 04:47.50 | Diopter | nezZario: Or that. |
| 04:47.53 | nezZario | break your system? get a new one in moments! |
| 04:48.09 | Diopter | "What part of cloud do you not understand?" |
| 04:48.12 | Diopter | :P |
| 04:48.25 | nezZario | i run in-house xen/netbsd dom0's + ec2 instances |
| 04:48.32 | nezZario | so i'm all about some xen over here |
| 04:48.57 | Diopter | Netbsd no less? Wow. I'm impressed. |
| 04:49.17 | Diopter | On your toaster cluster, I imagine |
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| 04:49.56 | nezZario | i've been up half the night looking @ openindiana.. i'm an OS junkie i guess.. been using netbsd for about 3 yrs now though.. debian is my choice when it comes to linux.. I love all opensource os's equally :) |
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| 04:50.40 | nezZario | they are only tools, not flags or affiliations like some people portray (imho) |
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| 04:51.23 | prime | any of you debian user use pidgin to connect to the aim network? |
| 04:51.28 | gnarface | zykotick9: i've *got* the dump (using dvdbackup) |
| 04:51.57 | nezZario | ah, btw.. was suprised that the debian guy had a major part in solaris/openindiana (and in fact, according to everythingapedia .. the ian guy was from fort wayne, IN .. which is which they named the oracle Project Indiana after - which became the oss fork openindiana..) |
| 04:52.26 | nezZario | well i guess he did not have his hands directly in openIN but the predesessor |
| 04:52.31 | nezZario | if i could ever spell |
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| 04:53.19 | nezZario | did you know that the guy works for an e-mail marketing company? was not impressed there. but at least his software rocks. or once again, derivitives and successors of |
| 04:53.53 | cobra-the-joker | jagginess: who knows ... maybe its not stew |
| 04:54.45 | nezZario | prime: do you have flash and a web browser? |
| 04:54.55 | nezZario | it's not ideal but trillian's web client is OK for day to day stuff .. |
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| 04:54.59 | nezZario | it's free but is flash |
| 04:55.18 | prime | are you confirming that pidgin isnt working? |
| 04:55.30 | nezZario | no absolutely not.. haven't used it in years |
| 04:55.37 | nezZario | but just offering an alternative. |
| 04:55.47 | nezZario | i use about 6 computers/day so a static client is hard to use for me (thus, trillian) |
| 04:56.56 | Diopter | That's why I use a BNC on a server, using bitlbee for messenger networks |
| 04:57.07 | jpinx | nezZario: we're offtopic, but I use bitlbee ;) |
| 04:57.25 | stew | bitlbee uses the same libraries as pidgin fwiw |
| 04:57.42 | Diopter | stew: Only if you use the libpurple variant |
| 04:57.52 | Diopter | But we're digressing :P |
| 04:57.55 | jpinx | true, but much lighter on the system (mine's small netbook) |
| 04:58.05 | stew | oh I didn't realize that there were variants |
| 04:58.39 | jpinx | stew: bitlbee as per debian stable uses very little, but is badly our of date,,, |
| 04:58.46 | jpinx | :::out |
| 04:59.03 | Diopter | jpinx: The testing version is quite acceptable though |
| 04:59.14 | nezZario | any idea what bitlbee is written in? |
| 04:59.32 | Diopter | Um... probably C? |
| 04:59.32 | jpinx | nezZario: you can /join #bitlbee here |
| 04:59.51 | craigevil | you can also connect to a bitlbee server without installing it |
| 05:00.13 | jpinx | mibbit have a bitlbee server now apparently |
| 05:00.51 | Diopter | nezZario: http://code.bitlbee.org/lh/bitlbee/files |
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| 05:01.59 | nezZario | nice, .. much appreciated.. I have interest in IM+IRC bridges but it's a bit offtopic |
| 05:02.34 | jpinx | nezZario: really -- /join #bitlbee |
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| 05:03.06 | nezZario | yeah idk it takes me to ##unavailable |
| 05:03.09 | prime | its unavailable |
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| 05:03.53 | jpinx | nezZario: sorry - in OFTC |
| 05:05.17 | prime | would anyone have interest if i forked debian to OpenDebian, which will use only completly open source components |
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| 05:05.54 | prime | i'm going to need package maintainers for OpenDebian |
| 05:05.56 | stew | prime: uh, debian is already all open source |
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| 05:06.09 | prime | but OpenDebian will TRULY be open and free |
| 05:06.11 | nezZario | it's GPL anyway :) |
| 05:06.18 | stew | nezZario: what is GPL? |
| 05:06.21 | prime | its debian...but open |
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| 05:06.33 | stew | prime: what in debian is not truly open and free? |
| 05:06.34 | jpinx | !open |
| 05:06.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, open is not closed. |
| 05:07.00 | jpinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:07.01 | nezZario | well, MIT/BSD licenses tend to be less restrictive |
| 05:07.09 | prime | OpenDebian will be compatable with IBM PCs |
| 05:07.11 | nezZario | so, it depends on your definition. but good enough for me |
| 05:07.20 | break19 | open and free.. free to include any software.. unless it has a license you dont like... not sure what is open about that.. but meh |
| 05:07.28 | gnarface | troll alert |
| 05:07.44 | craigevil | !dfsg |
| 05:07.45 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
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| 05:09.45 | prime | OpenDebian will be better it everyway, and it'll take twice as long to install |
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| 05:10.18 | Diopter | prime: You're kind of a boring troll, just fyi :/ |
| 05:10.30 | nezZario | win! |
| 05:11.08 | prime | first there was office, then there was openoffice |
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| 05:12.13 | jpinx | !win stew |
| 05:12.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, stew! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 05:12.23 | jagginess | debian wins! |
| 05:13.00 | nezZario | what on earth is the lvm package name |
| 05:13.04 | Diopter | lvm2, iirc |
| 05:13.11 | Diopter | Yarp |
| 05:13.14 | nezZario | ahh, .. numbers |
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| 05:13.48 | Diopter | aptitude/apt-cache search is handy |
| 05:14.02 | Diopter | aliasing a bunch of common commands is even handier :P |
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| 05:15.06 | jpinx | Diopter: just " aptitude search " wfm ;) |
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| 05:18.17 | peterrooney | tab completion is even easier than remembering three zillion aliases |
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| 05:18.44 | g4mbit | idood morning every1 |
| 05:18.59 | g4mbit | idood? wtf :D "good morning" |
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| 05:19.24 | Diopter | peterrooney: -shrug- I'm really good at remembering such things. Most *n?x commands are a few arbitraryish characters ;P |
| 05:19.24 | stew | pardon the noise :( |
| 05:19.33 | Diopter | stew: S'all good, appreciated |
| 05:20.35 | peterrooney | stew, thank you. |
| 05:21.10 | jpinx | Thanks Stew |
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| 05:23.09 | dym | Working with monit im experiencing a problem: I configure a service to be restarted on unavailable connection to a local tcp port. the setup triggers, but doesnt seem to run my restart script correctly (missing parameters) even though they are configured: http://pastebin.com/NRRw1Zk4 - Does anyone have an idea? |
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| 05:25.44 | Diopter | dym: Think you might want exec instead of start/stop |
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| 05:32.41 | jagginess | dym, why not only start the service and have it shutdown with inetd/tcpwrapper |
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| 05:32.58 | dym | Diopter: Howso? |
| 05:33.22 | Diopter | dym: exec "/etc/init.d/blah start|stop" |
| 05:33.23 | dym | jagginess: well - it should work this way. now i need to figure out why it doesnt |
| 05:33.35 | dym | in monit? |
| 05:33.49 | jagginess | never heard of monit |
| 05:33.55 | Diopter | dym: Haven't used monit in a while, just checked out the manpage. |
| 05:34.08 | jagginess | ah "monit is a free, open source process supervision tool for Unix and Linux. With monit, system status can be viewed directly from the command line, or via the native HTTP(S) web server." |
| 05:34.16 | jagginess | ^ Https:// server.. |
| 05:34.20 | jagginess | :) |
| 05:34.41 | jagginess | does the clicky thing again in firefox |
| 05:35.33 | Lis | Hello everyone. Is the nvidia beta driver already released in the non-free testing repository? |
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| 05:36.43 | dym | mhhh |
| 05:36.47 | dym | Diopter: one sec |
| 05:37.34 | dym | Diopter: http://mmonit.com/monit/documentation/monit.html#configuration_examples |
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| 05:38.16 | jagginess | dym, i see there's an init support "http://mmonit.com/monit/documentation/monit.html#daemon_mode" |
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| 05:38.51 | Diopter | dym: Ah, I see examples of what you're using. |
| 05:38.52 | jagginess | "Using init to start Monit is probably the best way to run Monit if you want to be certain that you always have a running Monit daemon on your system" << quoted from site |
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| 05:39.35 | DiegoMax|MBP | hi people |
| 05:39.58 | dym | jagginess: you're on the wrong track |
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| 05:40.04 | dym | i dont want to start monit |
| 05:40.12 | dym | i want to restart the service monit is monitoring ;) |
| 05:40.16 | DiegoMax|MBP | i need some help |
| 05:40.27 | DiegoMax|MBP | somehow php5 stopped deleting the session files |
| 05:40.33 | DiegoMax|MBP | and now i have a directory with SO MANY files |
| 05:40.41 | DiegoMax|MBP | (/var/lib/php5) |
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| 05:40.46 | DiegoMax|MBP | that even rm is failing |
| 05:40.51 | DiegoMax|MBP | i cant even to an ls of it.... |
| 05:40.55 | DiegoMax|MBP | **even do |
| 05:41.06 | DiegoMax|MBP | is there any way to deal with this ??? |
| 05:41.17 | Diopter | DiegoMax|MBP: You have a couple of options. There's a really good way to delete the files, but it'll probably take a while |
| 05:41.25 | DiegoMax|MBP | well right now |
| 05:41.33 | jpinx | try ls by part-filename* |
| 05:41.47 | DiegoMax|MBP | well i know all files start with sess_ |
| 05:41.53 | DiegoMax|MBP | but there are probably billions of files |
| 05:41.59 | DiegoMax|MBP | i know every file is around 4kb |
| 05:42.04 | Diopter | DiegoMax|MBP: The first issue that makes ls slow is that it sorts. |
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| 05:42.10 | DiegoMax|MBP | and i know i ran out of disk space on that partition which is 60gb |
| 05:42.10 | jpinx | DiegoMax|MBP: you want to delete lla of them? |
| 05:42.16 | DiegoMax|MBP | and yes |
| 05:42.19 | DiegoMax|MBP | i want to delete them all |
| 05:42.46 | jagginess | jpinx, you placed an a at the end lol |
| 05:42.54 | jpinx | DiegoMax|MBP: rm /path/to/files/sess_a* |
| 05:42.58 | jagginess | lla!=all |
| 05:43.06 | Diopter | jpinx: That's a terrible idea with a huge amount of files. |
| 05:43.08 | jpinx | and then work your way through the alphabet |
| 05:43.09 | dym | wont work |
| 05:43.12 | dym | too many arguments :D |
| 05:43.14 | Diopter | Won't even remotely work |
| 05:43.15 | dym | safe bets |
| 05:43.18 | DiegoMax|MBP | jpinx |
| 05:43.20 | Diopter | Not to mention the globbing itself will fail |
| 05:43.20 | dym | remove the folder |
| 05:43.21 | DiegoMax|MBP | of course i have tried that already |
| 05:43.22 | dym | and re-create it |
| 05:43.26 | DiegoMax|MBP | and rm fails |
| 05:43.26 | Diopter | dym: There's another way |
| 05:43.28 | DiegoMax|MBP | with too many arguments |
| 05:43.40 | DiegoMax|MBP | i also tried some suggestions on google |
| 05:43.41 | Diopter | DiegoMax|MBP: I'm trying to tell you the solution. It's fairly simple, just works in a few parts |
| 05:43.44 | DiegoMax|MBP | and they timeout |
| 05:44.35 | Diopter | DiegoMax|MBP: Do we care about any of the files in the directory? |
| 05:44.37 | jpinx | why not rm -R the directory? |
| 05:44.49 | DiegoMax|MBP | Diopter |
| 05:44.51 | DiegoMax|MBP | i dont think so |
| 05:44.51 | Diopter | jpinx: Because recursive rm is Also slow. |
| 05:44.54 | jpinx | or is it rm -r |
| 05:44.57 | Diopter | rm -r |
| 05:44.57 | DiegoMax|MBP | let me see on another server |
| 05:44.59 | Diopter | Fails for the same reason :P |
| 05:45.00 | DiegoMax|MBP | wtf is inside that dir |
| 05:45.02 | DiegoMax|MBP | just inc ase |
| 05:45.05 | Diopter | DiegoMax|MBP: Sure. |
| 05:45.15 | jpinx | a dir with a black hole in it? |
| 05:45.19 | DiegoMax|MBP | indeed! |
| 05:45.29 | Diopter | It's not that hard, you just need to avoid sorting |
| 05:45.33 | DiegoMax|MBP | this is fucking incredible |
| 05:45.37 | DiegoMax|MBP | i never saw something like this |
| 05:45.38 | Diopter | And pipe to xargs rm, with a limit on args per invocation |
| 05:45.46 | Diopter | You can even have xargs invoke rm's in parallel to speed it up |
| 05:45.58 | DiegoMax|MBP | well |
| 05:45.58 | DiegoMax|MBP | seems to be only sessions |
| 05:46.02 | dym | remove the bleeding dir already :) |
| 05:46.11 | DiegoMax|MBP | buw how do i avoid sorting ? |
| 05:46.17 | dym | YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO! |
| 05:46.17 | pparadis | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xargs |
| 05:46.18 | Diopter | DiegoMax|MBP: ls -U |
| 05:46.29 | DiegoMax|MBP | k |
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| 05:46.49 | Diopter | DiegoMax|MBP: So, something like: ls -U | xargs -n 100 -P 8 rm |
| 05:47.08 | Diopter | ls without sorting, pipe to xargs, invoke rm on 100 files at a time, and run 8 in parallel |
| 05:47.16 | Diopter | Just make sure you cd into this directory first :P |
| 05:47.19 | pparadis | that should do it. |
| 05:47.25 | jpinx | DiegoMax|MBP: there is an --ignore-fail-on-non-empty option for rmdir ;) |
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| 05:47.59 | DiegoMax|MBP | well |
| 05:48.04 | DiegoMax|MBP | ls -U php5/ fails |
| 05:48.08 | pparadis | or you could do: find /directory -type f -print0 | xargs -0 rm |
| 05:48.10 | DiegoMax|MBP | as in, still waiting to see some output |
| 05:48.16 | pparadis | DiegoMax|MBP: see my last. |
| 05:48.23 | DiegoMax|MBP | ok |
| 05:48.32 | Diopter | And if find fails, you can try lsattr |
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| 05:48.48 | Diopter | Can awk it up a little to just get filenames |
| 05:49.04 | Diopter | Doesn't even matter if the filesystem has extended attributes, lsattr will still crawl the directory in unsorted order :P |
| 05:49.12 | jpinx | DiegoMax|MBP: you could mount the dir as a loopback and dd it with zeros ;) |
| 05:49.27 | Diopter | jpinx: That's actually a pretty difficult prospect with most filesystems. |
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| 05:49.45 | Diopter | The dirent structure will be a linked list. Very unlikely to be contiguous |
| 05:49.53 | jpinx | Diopter: sounds like he is in trouble already , so no harder than other options |
| 05:49.58 | DiegoMax|MBP | lol |
| 05:49.59 | DiegoMax|MBP | 96411648 |
| 05:50.03 | DiegoMax|MBP | thats the size of the DIRECTORY |
| 05:50.07 | DiegoMax|MBP | imagine the contents.. |
| 05:50.07 | pparadis | it's really a very simple problem. find + xargs will do the job. |
| 05:50.09 | jagginess | jpinx, i said "black hole" first. you copy catted me.. |
| 05:50.33 | jpinx | /nick copycat :p |
| 05:51.24 | DiegoMax|MBP | btw jpinx |
| 05:51.27 | DiegoMax|MBP | --ignore-fail-on-non-empty does nothing |
| 05:51.32 | DiegoMax|MBP | the dir is still there and alive |
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| 05:51.54 | jpinx | DiegoMax|MBP: I confess to never having tried it on a black hole ;) |
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| 05:52.04 | DiegoMax|MBP | this is fucking annoying |
| 05:52.09 | DiegoMax|MBP | how could this possibly happen |
| 05:52.15 | DiegoMax|MBP | lol |
| 05:52.17 | jagginess | DiegoMax|MBP, maybe you toggled using selinux :p |
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| 05:52.29 | pparadis | DiegoMax|MBP: did you try the last example given? |
| 05:52.36 | jagginess | (which would me to run the fixlabels command) |
| 05:52.37 | Diopter | DiegoMax|MBP: You filled up the directory. It's pretty straightforward :P |
| 05:52.40 | DiegoMax|MBP | which one of them all pparadis ? |
| 05:52.47 | jagginess | ,/mean to ,/me/ |
| 05:52.49 | pparadis | find /directory -type f -print0 | xargs -0 rm |
| 05:53.03 | DiegoMax|MBP | k wait |
| 05:53.03 | pparadis | where /directory is the directory you want to empty. |
| 05:53.18 | jpinx | DiegoMax|MBP: rsync to /dev/null with the --remove-source-files and go for lunch :) |
| 05:53.29 | DiegoMax|MBP | k running now pparadis |
| 05:53.30 | Diopter | I'd personally recommend adding the -n and -P to xargs... but either will work |
| 05:53.30 | DiegoMax|MBP | lets see |
| 05:53.38 | DiegoMax|MBP | waits |
| 05:53.47 | pparadis | "this is going to take a while" |
| 05:53.50 | Diopter | DiegoMax|MBP: Also, if it's working, it's not going to provide output until it's done. |
| 05:53.52 | Diopter | ^ |
| 05:53.57 | DiegoMax|MBP | yah |
| 05:53.59 | DiegoMax|MBP | i figure |
| 05:54.03 | DiegoMax|MBP | its 40GB on a linode |
| 05:54.09 | DiegoMax|MBP | so the IO speed sucks |
| 05:54.12 | pparadis | jesus man |
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| 05:54.14 | Diopter | lol |
| 05:54.22 | DiegoMax|MBP | i will come back tomorrow |
| 05:54.24 | DiegoMax|MBP | lol |
| 05:54.26 | Diopter | Gotta love them pee aytch pees |
| 05:54.35 | pparadis | haha |
| 05:54.44 | DiegoMax|MBP | launches top for the lols |
| 05:54.53 | pparadis | heh, launch iotop instead |
| 05:54.56 | Diopter | We used to run into 3 million+ files in Maildirs on ext3 |
| 05:55.22 | Diopter | Had to ls/find/lsattr them into rm more often than anyone has a right to ever need to :( |
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| 05:55.58 | Diopter | (people using clients that duplicated messages over IMAP, and re-deleting the messages repeatedly, automatedly) |
| 05:56.24 | DiegoMax|MBP | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:56.34 | Diopter | Sadly ext3 is extremely poorly equipped to handle huge directories |
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| 05:56.44 | DiegoMax|MBP | ext4 is better at that ? |
| 05:57.03 | Diopter | Yes. In several ways |
| 05:57.08 | pparadis | actually murderfs is better |
| 05:57.17 | pparadis | but nobody uses that anymore ;) |
| 05:57.27 | DiegoMax|MBP | good |
| 05:57.32 | DiegoMax|MBP | i formatted the new server with ext4 |
| 05:57.37 | DiegoMax|MBP | without really knowing why |
| 05:57.41 | DiegoMax|MBP | but, higher number is better! |
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| 05:57.47 | Diopter | Probably because newer is better, amirite? |
| 05:57.51 | DiegoMax|MBP | ^^^ |
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| 05:58.03 | Diopter | !sns |
| 05:58.04 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 05:58.11 | Diopter | chuckles |
| 05:58.22 | DiegoMax|MBP | lol |
| 05:58.32 | nezZario | bahahahaha |
| 05:58.35 | nezZario | murderfs |
| 05:58.55 | jagginess | DiegoMax|MBP, oh so you're using ext3 afterall |
| 05:59.00 | DiegoMax|MBP | on this box, yes |
| 05:59.06 | nezZario | pparadis.. i've been reading about brtfs, zfs, openindiana, and reiser4 all night.. happened to read all about that dude's trial |
| 05:59.15 | Diopter | pparadis: You know there's still a community trying to continue Reiser dev and lobby for it in enterprise settings? |
| 05:59.21 | pparadis | yepper |
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| 05:59.49 | Diopter | Was a damn good FS. Used to use it all the time. Had more than one mail server still running it when I was in hosted e-mail a few years ago :P |
| 05:59.59 | nezZario | hey, you know I would be going for it more if they just renamed it reiserfs |
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| 06:00.05 | nezZario | i mean, murderfs.. crap i need to get to sleep |
| 06:00.20 | nezZario | at least that sounds cool. instead of some creepy looking wife killer's name attached to it.. |
| 06:00.25 | Diopter | snorts |
| 06:00.34 | Diopter | I've been getting cozy with btrfs these days |
| 06:00.47 | jpinx | pases Diopter a tissue |
| 06:00.56 | nezZario | Diopter.. I'm currently testing s3ql |
| 06:00.56 | jagginess | btrfs.. wondering when will that be stable.. i'd like to give that a shot.. |
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| 06:01.10 | Diopter | Got a pair of SSDs in this laptop now. Need to figure out how to add the second drive into the first drive's "pool" or whatnot |
| 06:01.22 | Diopter | janky JBoD go! |
| 06:01.23 | nezZario | i refuse to use linux's implementation of zfs and this seems the only way to get both compression+dataduping on ec2 |
| 06:01.40 | Diopter | nezZario: S3? |
| 06:01.45 | nezZario | i've been through about every OS imaginable.. NO operating system has both stable xen + zfs implementations out there. it does not exist |
| 06:01.53 | nezZario | yeah s3/ec2 .. just amazon crap |
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| 06:02.04 | DropsOfSerenity | n #gnome |
| 06:02.07 | Diopter | nezZario: Have you looked into XFS much...? |
| 06:02.08 | DropsOfSerenity | woops |
| 06:02.37 | nezZario | xfs has neither block level dedup (or any dedup) nor compression |
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| 06:02.51 | nezZario | i'm paying amazon about $300/mo for 2.6TB or so of backups |
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| 06:03.18 | nezZario | it's about a 1.8-2.0x total file duplication rate, which will be more like 3x if it was block level. so looking to save $200/mo or so.. |
| 06:03.29 | ||arifaX | Is there some kind of list of the packages that were installed on my system when I started using it. (have to fix some uninstallation stuff) |
| 06:03.31 | Diopter | mmm |
| 06:03.44 | pparadis | nezZario: not sure if you're absolutely stuck on xen, but if you're not, you might be interested in http://openindiana.org/ (yes, this is way off topic, i know) |
| 06:04.02 | pparadis | speaking of offtopic, we should probably move a bunch of this in general into #debian-offtopic ;) |
| 06:04.20 | Diopter | mmhmm |
| 06:04.34 | DiegoMax|MBP | so i see now on iotop |
| 06:04.35 | DiegoMax|MBP | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.40 | DiegoMax|MBP | so it seems to be working |
| 06:04.48 | ompaul | nezZario: so it seems to me that if you bought a cheap server stuck 2x1.5 tb on it and rsynced your original data and then stuck it in a house on cable and rscynced the delta you'd be happy enough over time |
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| 06:04.58 | nezZario | well, i'm getting to bed so I hope I don't upset by saying.. I looked into openindiana all night (actually in their chan right now) but their xen support is not very good |
| 06:05.23 | Diopter | DiegoMax|MBP: Yep. You can probably speed it up quite a bit by adding "-n 100 -P 8" to the xargs params, just a suggestion. |
| 06:05.28 | pparadis | nezZario: yeah, that's true, but then again i don't care about that :) |
| 06:05.33 | DiegoMax|MBP | ok |
| 06:05.40 | nezZario | ompaul: i actually considered that and have a small box with netbsd and a 1TB drive by my feet (no joke) to test it.. the issue with that is if a failure occurs I only have about 200K/sec upload (vs 20mbit down) |
| 06:06.07 | nezZario | so it's all fine and dandy until something fails or I need to restore a large amount of info.. and then i'm SOL with relatively crawling speeds |
| 06:06.30 | ompaul | nezZario: unless you have sneaker net and drive to a data centre |
| 06:07.15 | nezZario | i guess, but I don't have local access to any local data centers here.. they're quite expensive.. and wildly offtopic but I live in new orleans, which is flooded frequently .. no way in hell i'd actually move production servers anywhere near this geographic area (and only 2 large DCs here are 1/2 rack minimum) |
| 06:07.44 | Diopter | Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway. —Tanenbaum, Andrew S. (1996) |
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| 06:07.57 | ompaul | nezZario: the savings in backup fees could buy you faster uploads however that's logistics so we'll leave it alone |
| 06:08.12 | jpinx | Diopter: priceless :) |
| 06:08.15 | ompaul | nezZario: good night |
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| 06:08.56 | robert45 | hi guys, how can I automatically exclude a package isnide apt config file ? |
| 06:09.03 | nezZario | ompaul, I understand, but it's a complex issue nonetheless.. I'm actively exploring solutions is all there is to be said.. I might give cox business another try (they won't give my residental line more than 5MB up).. but night |
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| 06:16.33 | simonlnu | !xy problem |
| 06:16.33 | dpkg | [xyproblem] People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem or http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/put-down-the-chocolate-covered-banana.html |
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| 06:23.51 | boudiccas | ,versions backupmanager |
| 06:23.53 | judd | No package named 'backupmanager' was found in i386. |
| 06:24.12 | boudiccas | ,versions backup-manager |
| 06:24.13 | judd | Package: backup-manager on i386 -- lenny: 0.7.7-2; squeeze: 0.7.9-3; sid: 0.7.10.1-2; wheezy: 0.7.10.1-2 |
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| 06:27.12 | Blue1 | judd: I believe it is called backup-manager |
| 06:27.13 | judd | No package named 'believe' was found in squeeze/i386. |
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| 06:28.24 | Blue1 | okay so you are a bot |
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| 06:32.09 | jpinx | ,bot |
| 06:32.10 | judd | No, I'm not a bot, I'm a frontend to a database. |
| 06:32.18 | matthewd | Is a package in testing supposed to use versioned deps for anything else that must also come from testing? |
| 06:32.29 | matthewd | I have conflicting memories of what I may have read at some point |
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| 06:49.26 | KsM | Can anyone help me with modifying grub a bit |
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| 06:59.13 | Onixs | damn mirrors! |
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| 06:59.52 | KsM | I've only heard vampired say that |
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| 07:40.19 | hyper_ch | is there a simple way to find out with bash what debian version is being used? |
| 07:40.31 | KsM | install lsb-release |
| 07:40.41 | digdilem_ | hyper_ch, cat /etc/debian-version |
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| 07:40.48 | KsM | or that |
| 07:40.55 | jpinx | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:40.55 | digdilem_ | debian_version, my mistake |
| 07:41.00 | hyper_ch | thx :) |
| 07:41.11 | jpinx | or is it ..-version ? |
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| 07:41.31 | KsM | underscore |
| 07:42.22 | jpinx | it is usually cat /etc/deb<tab> ;) |
| 07:42.26 | hyper_ch | if grep -Fxq "STRING" /path/to/file then #found else # not found fi |
| 07:42.27 | hyper_ch | :) |
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| 07:57.23 | pjc_ | morning |
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| 08:03.58 | krion | hello |
| 08:03.59 | fasta | Should ntpdate return the current time or do you have to give it an argument specifying a server to use? |
| 08:04.18 | krion | ntpdate should contact the ntp server |
| 08:04.26 | krion | so yes you have to specifiy a ntp server |
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| 08:04.41 | krion | except if you have a correct configuration file i suppose |
| 08:04.51 | fasta | How can I test whether the ntpd works then? |
| 08:05.13 | krion | ntpd != ntpdate |
| 08:05.20 | krion | you could ntpdate time.windows.com |
| 08:05.42 | fasta | krion: ok, but still same question. |
| 08:05.51 | Iridos | fasta, don't use ntpdate, it's obsolete |
| 08:05.54 | Iridos | dpkg, ntpdate |
| 08:05.54 | dpkg | ntpdate is an obsolete and unmaintained program to set a system clock via <NTP>. Just install the ntp package instead. Since Lenny, ntp's default configuration files (NTPD_OPTS='-g' in /etc/default/ntp, 'iburst' option for default servers in /etc/ntp.conf) make ntpdate unnecessary. See also <why not ntpdate>. |
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| 08:06.22 | krion | Iridos: it is ? |
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| 08:08.36 | fasta | Iridos: and how can I test whether ntpd is working? |
| 08:08.54 | fasta | Iridos: I imagine something like an infinite loop showing the current time. |
| 08:09.10 | fasta | C.f. yes(1) |
| 08:09.21 | pparadis | fasta: ntp lets you know when time is adjusted, and by how much. |
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| 08:09.33 | Iridos | krion, see factoid... |
| 08:09.42 | pparadis | if your time is correct, it's working. you can review logs for the rest. |
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| 08:09.59 | Iridos | fasta, if the time's correct to the second after boot, it works? |
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| 08:10.12 | fasta | pparadis: which time? |
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| 08:10.31 | Iridos | how many times do you have? |
| 08:10.40 | krion | =) |
| 08:10.41 | pparadis | fasta: please read this before you continue --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ntpd |
| 08:10.46 | fasta | Iridos: I didn't design the system. |
| 08:10.54 | pparadis | fasta: really, please do some reading. |
| 08:11.00 | fasta | Iridos: and there are also 100s of window managers. |
| 08:11.15 | fasta | So, who knows there isn't more than one way to keep time? |
| 08:11.32 | pparadis | fasta: you'd know if you read what i just gave you and other resources on the same topic. |
| 08:11.39 | fasta | pparadis: you mean the way to verify it is the date command? |
| 08:12.05 | pparadis | fasta: i'm trying to figure out a few more ways to tell you to read the resources you've been provided so you at least have some basic clue of what you're talking about. |
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| 08:12.06 | fasta | pparadis: some reading? I already read 15,000+ pages on computing. |
| 08:12.15 | pparadis | fasta: apparently you missed these pages. |
| 08:12.17 | fasta | pparadis: I have some basic clue. |
| 08:12.21 | pparadis | no, you don't. |
| 08:12.25 | fasta | pparadis: I am just checking things. |
| 08:12.32 | pparadis | or you wouldn't be asking what you're asking. |
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| 08:12.54 | pparadis | you have absolutely no understanding of how ntp works, and you're attempting to act as if understanding other things will fix that. |
| 08:13.26 | Iridos | anyway, no bashing needed |
| 08:13.30 | Iridos | just use ntp and you're good |
| 08:13.40 | pparadis | i'm a programmer. that doesn't mean i know how to rebuild an engine. both involve accruing knowledge and demonstrating proficiency in practical terms, but both are different things. |
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| 08:14.42 | pparadis | it's not bashing, i'm being as gentle as i possibly can when faced with someone who asks for verification of something, is given the resources he needs to obtain that knowledge, but apparently is only interested in being handed an answer he wouldn't be able to trust anyhow because he doesn't understand the source material to begin with. |
| 08:15.00 | fasta | pparadis: you have absolutely no idea who you are talking to. |
| 08:15.13 | Iridos | time to move on, anyway |
| 08:15.34 | fasta | pparadis: you could just have said 'yes' to whether you meant the date command. |
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| 08:15.53 | pparadis | fasta: well, i know this much. i'm talking to somebody asking how ntp works, but refuses to accept the help given to obtain that knowledge. i suppose you don't know who i am either, but that doesn't have any bearing on this matter. |
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| 08:15.59 | Iridos | or you can draw your knifes and fight it out in #debian-offtopic |
| 08:16.06 | pparadis | Iridos: fair enough ;) |
| 08:16.48 | fasta | pparadis: I did read your wikipedia page. |
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| 08:16.59 | pparadis | wow, i have a wikipedia page? |
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| 08:17.09 | pparadis | ducks |
| 08:17.19 | fasta | pparadis: and based on that and the man page I derived that it was already correct what I was doing. |
| 08:17.28 | fasta | pparadis: so, you are just an ass for not saying 'yes'. |
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| 08:18.00 | fasta | pparadis: I will remember that next time you ask something I will also not just type 3 letters, but do everything in my power to delay you as much as possible. |
| 08:18.03 | nkuttler | wtf guys, take it to private or -offtopic |
| 08:18.28 | pparadis | nkuttler: nod nod :) |
| 08:19.01 | ed8 | hi, I got an unexpected behavior with mount FS. When I run 'mount' all my mount point are shown as mounted. However when I try to 'ls' some on the directory I mounted It's empty |
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| 08:19.22 | ed8 | I need to 'unmount' them and 'mount -a' again |
| 08:19.30 | nkuttler | ed8: is the filesystem empty? did you cd there before mounting? |
| 08:19.35 | ed8 | A simple 'mount -a' won't change anything |
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| 08:20.02 | ed8 | nkuttler: nop I just ls the target to see its content |
| 08:20.17 | Psychonaut | Hi, I am gettings a error when doing menuconfig: Install ncurses (ncurses-devel) and try again only as user |
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| 08:20.23 | Psychonaut | so it is installed |
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| 08:20.57 | nkuttler | Psychonaut: and? |
| 08:20.58 | netcrash_ | Hello, has anyone had conectivity problems like the network breaking from time to time |
| 08:20.59 | Psychonaut | So under root I can use "make menuconfig" |
| 08:21.01 | netcrash_ | ? |
| 08:21.14 | nkuttler | Psychonaut: no need to be root for that |
| 08:21.19 | Psychonaut | i know !!!!! |
| 08:21.25 | Psychonaut | please read again |
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| 08:21.36 | Psychonaut | I am gettings this error as normal user |
| 08:21.37 | Blue1 | netcrash_: that depends on like 100 different things. weather, isp, connection, interference... |
| 08:21.39 | Psychonaut | not as root |
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| 08:23.06 | Psychonaut | sorry but I don´t understand why you guys always telling stuff that I already know. As I said my problem is that I gettings this error as normal user, as I normal using menuconfig. So I tested it and as root it runs without this error |
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| 08:23.20 | Psychonaut | But I want to do this as user |
| 08:23.46 | Blue1 | Psychonaut: off hand (and no I do not mean to be flip) sounds like a permissions error |
| 08:24.10 | Psychonaut | I wondering because I could do that before |
| 08:24.18 | Psychonaut | but I will check that |
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| 08:24.40 | Blue1 | Psychonaut: i have never heard of menuconfig fwiw |
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| 08:25.33 | Psychonaut | make menuconfig is a possiblty to have a menu for config the kernel before compile |
| 08:25.38 | Psychonaut | like xconfig |
| 08:25.44 | Psychonaut | but in console |
| 08:25.59 | Blue1 | what is it used for? |
| 08:26.20 | Psychonaut | to configure the kernel modules you want |
| 08:26.24 | Blue1 | oh cusom kernel |
| 08:26.31 | Psychonaut | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menuconfig |
| 08:26.40 | Blue1 | i just take the stock and go with that. |
| 08:27.02 | Blue1 | except for the nvidia dkms |
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| 08:28.19 | Blue1 | but, imho, if you are dealing with kernel mods, it would make sense that it would work as root, and not a regular user - but...I have no experience with it. |
| 08:28.46 | nkuttler | Blue1: no, that wouldn't make much sense |
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| 08:30.01 | Blue1 | my brain is in jello mode - so I will wish you all a pleasent day/evening |
| 08:30.39 | Psychonaut | K I got it, it seems that I didn´t setted the linux-source* directory as the owner of admin instead of root |
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| 08:31.19 | Psychonaut | So it the problems was that I had a root ownership on the linux-source directory in /usr/src |
| 08:31.34 | Psychonaut | sometimes its just that easy |
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| 08:33.29 | Blue1 | hpe that works |
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| 08:36.29 | riex | Hello People's. Can someone here tell me how much memory can the standard kernel for debian 64 bit show? |
| 08:37.13 | nsadmin | maybe 2 ^ 64 |
| 08:37.25 | riex | ? |
| 08:37.40 | tralala | a few TB |
| 08:37.50 | nsadmin | dpkg, 2 ^ 64 |
| 08:37.51 | dpkg | 66 |
| 08:37.52 | tralala | wikipedia can tell you for sure |
| 08:38.05 | riex | Link? :D |
| 08:38.09 | riex | 66 GB |
| 08:38.17 | riex | Or? |
| 08:38.25 | nsadmin | dpkg got it wrong |
| 08:38.25 | dpkg | nsadmin: I give up, what is it? |
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| 08:38.42 | riex | 128GB? |
| 08:38.45 | tralala | seems like some bitwise op |
| 08:38.49 | riex | Like ubuntu ? |
| 08:41.44 | tralala | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amd64#Physical_address_space_details |
| 08:43.08 | riex | Hello. Someone here that know how much memory debian 64 bit can show with the normal kernel? |
| 08:43.30 | tralala | riex, more than you have |
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| 08:43.56 | riex | And thats is? |
| 08:44.13 | tralala | if some of it isn't shown it's because it's shadowed by the graphic card's buffer. |
| 08:45.02 | tralala | see the link above |
| 08:45.05 | riex | I know but i got debian 32 bit |
| 08:45.23 | riex | And i have to compile new kernel |
| 08:45.23 | tralala | so? |
| 08:45.49 | riex | Before the last of my ram Will show up |
| 08:46.22 | tralala | how much ram do you have? |
| 08:46.24 | riex | But the standard kernel in 64 bit Can handle more than the 32 bit ? |
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| 08:46.42 | tralala | yes, it can handle much more |
| 08:47.12 | riex | 32 gb |
| 08:47.16 | riex | And 56 gb |
| 08:47.24 | riex | In two servers |
| 08:47.35 | tralala | install a 64 bit kernel and you'll be fine |
| 08:47.48 | tralala | a stock one |
| 08:47.58 | riex | So i Will have to install a new kernel ? |
| 08:48.20 | riex | The normal kernel in like ubuntu Can handle up to 128 gb i mean |
| 08:48.30 | tralala | yes, a 32bit kernel can't address more than 3.5GB |
| 08:48.51 | tralala | I suppose they ship a 64bit kernel. |
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| 08:49.17 | ed8 | hi, I got an unexpected behavior with mount FS. When I run 'mount' all my mount point are shown as mounted. However when I try to 'ls' some on the directory I mounted It's empty |
| 08:49.26 | ed8 | I need to 'unmount' them and 'mount -a' again. A simple 'mount -a' won't change anything |
| 08:49.55 | ed8 | Do I misuse 'mount' ? |
| 08:50.03 | Andy1978 | OT: it there an IRC for graphicsmagick in debian? |
| 08:50.35 | matthewd | ed8: Sounds like /etc/mtab is out of date |
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| 08:51.16 | riex | tralala: yep i know. But if i install a whole new system on it. With debian 64 bit. Then the system Will automatic Pick a 64 bit kernel right? That Will show all memory |
| 08:51.23 | riex | Sorry i am on my phone |
| 08:51.29 | nsadmin | Andy1978, there could be a channel here, /msg alis help |
| 08:52.21 | ed8 | matthewd: hwo can I check that, what am I looking for ? |
| 08:52.26 | tralala | riex, you don't need a whole 64bit system. Debian x86 has a 64bit kernel available. You only need to install and boot it. |
| 08:52.49 | nsadmin | riex, yes, since 64 bit debian cannot operate with 32bit kernel |
| 08:52.50 | riex | Yes ok cool :D |
| 08:53.00 | matthewd | ed8: Compare what it's claiming, against /proc/mounts |
| 08:53.26 | riex | Thx guys |
| 08:53.33 | riex | Night night :) |
| 08:53.37 | nsadmin | well, that's also true, you can run 32b debian with 64b kernel |
| 08:53.44 | riex | Yep |
| 08:53.50 | riex | :D |
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| 08:53.56 | matthewd | ed8: Apart from a readonly /etc, I don't really have any suggestions of *why* it would be wrong |
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| 08:55.28 | ed8 | please see my pastebin with /etc/mtab and /proc/mount : http://pastebin.com/4WViFwQQ |
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| 08:55.47 | ed8 | /proc/mounts give : /dev/sda2 /home/backupAgent/shell-scripts\040(deleted) ext4 rw,relatime,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0 |
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| 08:56.43 | ed8 | /home/backupAgent/shell-scripts is the target mount point. I deleted the source of the mount point at some time, but created it back just after |
| 08:56.46 | phasma | hi, guys. Anybody have any idea how to resolve this, please? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=81647 |
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| 09:00.33 | matthewd | ed8: In that case, I'll venture that yes, you do misuse mount :) |
| 09:01.11 | matthewd | That seems like a fairly predictable level of minor confusion resulting from that sequence of operations |
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| 09:01.36 | matthewd | mtab, and thus mount, thinks it's currently mounted, so `mount -a` won't touch it |
| 09:01.53 | matthewd | But if you umount then re-mount it, you'll actually be mounting a different source |
| 09:01.55 | Onixs | damn mirrors are all down! |
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| 09:02.26 | Calinou | Onixs, no u |
| 09:02.46 | Milk_berlin | hi everybody |
| 09:02.49 | Onixs | yes.. who said u |
| 09:03.00 | ompaul | Onixs: this is up ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/debian/ |
| 09:03.15 | ompaul | seems to work (for me) |
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| 09:04.01 | boudiccas | if i have a user 'boztu', what group is he in please? |
| 09:04.01 | nsadmin | Onixs, perhaps a bit of detail would help |
| 09:04.06 | Onixs | yay… that works :) |
| 09:04.27 | nsadmin | boudiccas, $ groups |
| 09:04.50 | nsadmin | or # groups boztu |
| 09:04.54 | piglit | i have not used Debian before, do you need to make your own partitions? |
| 09:04.58 | boudiccas | nsadmin: sorry, i dont understand |
| 09:05.11 | nsadmin | type in a shell: groups |
| 09:05.14 | nsadmin | as this user |
| 09:05.23 | boudiccas | right, thanks |
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| 09:05.45 | nsadmin | there's also the inverse operation, members (installable) |
| 09:05.46 | nkuttler | piglit: you need a partition to install the os. the installer can do that for you automatically |
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| 09:08.22 | piglit | nkuttler: does debian make different partitions for swap /boot / etc? |
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| 09:09.07 | ed8 | matthewd: is there a way to refresh the mount poin then ? Or force the remount ? |
| 09:09.15 | Calinou | piglit, depends, it does partitions for you, yes |
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| 09:09.25 | Calinou | you can use: one partition for all data + swap |
| 09:09.33 | Calinou | one partition for data + one /home partition + swap |
| 09:09.40 | Calinou | or some custom partition style; see the installer |
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| 09:09.59 | nkuttler | piglit: if you're new to this i would just put everything on one huge partition, and add another for swap |
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| 09:10.28 | piglit | nkuttler: made partitions in fedora and ubuntu |
| 09:10.35 | matthewd | ed8: Haven't you established that you just need to umount it then re-mount it? |
| 09:10.58 | nkuttler | ed8: mount -o remount /mnt/foo |
| 09:11.15 | piglit | but ubuntu is changing too fast and i need to work on this pc and Fedora is a trial for redhat dont want that either |
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| 09:11.49 | piglit | i want to have a conservative OS it may even be dull as long as it is stable |
| 09:11.54 | nkuttler | piglit: i don't think partitions are necessary for a desktop with a single hd in it |
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| 09:12.21 | nkuttler | piglit: unless you're worried about long a long forced fsck.. |
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| 09:12.55 | piglit | nkuttler: it can be handy to format everything except for your home then partitions are handy |
| 09:13.08 | nkuttler | piglit: well just do whatever you like |
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| 09:13.24 | nkuttler | yeah, if you'tre trying distros i see how that could help |
| 09:13.27 | ed8 | matthewd: yep but got several mount point in this situation and several server with the issue |
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| 09:13.44 | nkuttler | ed8: are you talking about network mounts? |
| 09:15.13 | ed8 | nkuttler: nop |
| 09:16.23 | ed8 | nkuttler: seems I'm using a dirty process. I shouldn't remove the source directory |
| 09:18.42 | matthewd | ed8: Sounds like this conversation's started at the wrong end... what are you doing, and what are you trying to achieve? |
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| 09:26.13 | Psychonaut | How do I apply a kernel patch correctly after installed via aptitute ? |
| 09:26.23 | Psychonaut | patch -p0 or patch -p1 ? |
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| 09:26.37 | streuner_ | !patch |
| 09:26.37 | dpkg | from memory, patch is just a tool to handle text file mutations according to a common format known as 'diff'. For kernel patching use (depending on type of patch): 'patch -p1 < patch.diff' or 'zcat patch.gz | patch -p1' or 'bzcat patch.bz2 | patch -p1' |
| 09:27.56 | Psychonaut | so do I have to pach manually or just mentioned it when make-kpkg |
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| 09:29.10 | nkuttler | Psychonaut: which patch? |
| 09:29.15 | Psychonaut | grsecurity |
| 09:29.51 | nkuttler | PrickelPit: you should install the debian package and read it's docs |
| 09:29.53 | nkuttler | Psychonaut: ^^ |
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| 09:38.22 | jayvee | attempting to boot the latest netboot.tar.gz (kernel 3.2.0-2-amd64), but complains that "No kernel modules were found" before downloading installer components |
| 09:38.28 | jayvee | as a result, it doesn't find my disk drive |
| 09:38.48 | jayvee | an updated netboot.tar.gz available that's newer than on the mirror? |
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| 09:40.21 | boudiccas | jayvee: what version of debian? |
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| 09:40.43 | jayvee | boudiccas: /pub/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz, so wheezy |
| 09:40.53 | jayvee | modified 08-May-2012 19:56 |
| 09:41.10 | boudiccas | jayvee: so no backports then |
| 09:41.44 | jayvee | this is netbooting the installer, not sure where backports would come into this |
| 09:43.16 | jayvee | got the same on a squeeze netboot (2.6.32) and sid netboot (same as wheezy -- 3.2.0-2-amd64) |
| 09:43.37 | jayvee | almost as if the kernel modules aren't being mirrored |
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| 09:44.01 | jayvee | tried mirror.internode.on.net and ftp.iinet.net.au |
| 09:44.23 | jayvee | and now ftp.au.debian.org |
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| 09:45.06 | jayvee | odd because the squeeze netboot tarball I have used dozens of times previously |
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| 09:45.17 | PhoenixSTF | hello, I have a projecto for a small production VPS for a invetigation center, the issue is I will be given only one public IP, is there any solution that lets me have multipls VPS using same ports under the same public ip? |
| 09:45.23 | jayvee | so it's to do with the installer components downloaded on-the-fly rather than the netboot tarball itself |
| 09:45.52 | jayvee | PhoenixSTF: the internet protocol says no |
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| 09:46.10 | jayvee | PhoenixSTF: different ports, yes, same ports, no |
| 09:46.40 | PhoenixSTF | jayvee, what about iptables or squid by hostname? |
| 09:46.57 | PhoenixSTF | jayvee, I know Ip says no, but I dont have too much choice |
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| 09:47.18 | jayvee | PhoenixSTF: throwing around buzzwords won't help you defeat the laws of physics |
| 09:47.45 | jayvee | if it's HTTP you're talking about, you could potentially mod_proxy with name-based VirtualHosts |
| 09:47.51 | jayvee | but I'm not going to tell you how to do that |
| 09:47.56 | simonlnu | ip protocol is not a law of physics |
| 09:47.58 | jayvee | (that's a big enough clue in itself) |
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| 10:07.52 | jayvee | well I used ubuntu 12.04 netboot.tar.gz instead |
| 10:07.55 | jayvee | worked perfectly |
| 10:07.58 | jayvee | and that's that |
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| 10:08.30 | jayvee | no idea what's going on, but all debian's mirrors are horribly broken for netbooting right now |
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| 10:15.43 | pkug | where can i download installer USB stick image for testing ? |
| 10:16.41 | stephan48 | i need a case insensitive filesystem, what options i have that are optimally already available for lenny/squeeze? |
| 10:17.20 | Fahm | pkug: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 10:18.46 | pkug | ty |
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| 10:29.28 | tralala | stephan48, vfat |
| 10:30.45 | Calinou | doesn't ext4 have an option to have case intensitive FS? |
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| 10:38.36 | hanibana | Hi, suppose I have many users (several millions) which I should store on an OpenLDAP directory gradually (there's some sign-up procedure which finally leads to storing on LDAP). There's not any criterion (atleast a initutive one) to divide users based on it. I mean actually I do not know how to organize users within LDAP namespace. Any suggestion? How about something like the first three letters of their uids?! |
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| 10:40.11 | nkuttler | hanibana: sounds more like an #openldap question |
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| 10:49.08 | zax | Hi is this on one line |
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| 10:49.49 | zax | nice -n 19 actsync -o x -v 2 -p 0 -m |
| 10:49.50 | zax | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.11 | zax | in the command prompt on screen |
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| 10:56.25 | ed8 | hi can I mount a file to another place ? line /home/ajlsm/.bashrc on /home/backupAgent/.bashrc type none (rw,bind) |
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| 10:56.55 | matlads | ed8: symlink? |
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| 11:01.15 | ksk | ed8: bindmounts ( this "bind" tells you), but i didnt know that you can bindmount files |
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| 11:04.44 | drigollier | hi all |
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| 11:06.17 | ed8 | ksk: doesn't seems so, my files aren't kept in sync when I update the source file, so I'll go for symlink |
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| 11:07.15 | kexibq | debian |
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| 11:09.24 | debclair | hi everyone, I did an upgrade from squeeze to wheezy a month ago and since then I'm unable to mount flash drives, any thoughts? |
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| 11:10.37 | ksk | debclair: whats the issue? |
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| 11:11.14 | debclair | ksk, I can't mount flash drives, want to see the error in a gist? |
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| 11:11.29 | nkuttler | debclair: beats guessing |
| 11:11.45 | ksk | :> |
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| 11:12.53 | debclair | heres the error and the dmesg | tail output as well https://gist.github.com/3082713 |
| 11:13.27 | ksk | did you do safe-upgrades since your update? there might have been a bug. i had this issue too btw some time ago |
| 11:13.47 | ksk | did you reboot until then? take a look at loaded kernemodules regarding the fs you want to mount (probably ntfs?) |
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| 11:15.06 | debclair | ksk, I haven't done any safe upgrade yet for like three weeks. |
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| 11:17.47 | debclair | ksk, what's the name of the module in charge of mounting fat and ntfs partitions? |
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| 11:18.12 | Gentoo64 | debclair, youd want ntfs-3g for ntfs |
| 11:18.29 | Gentoo64 | which isnt in the kernel |
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| 11:20.06 | debclair | Gentoo64, but I'm able to mount my windows partition with no problems |
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| 11:22.20 | JeffJohnson | why debian does nothing if i execute /etc/init.d/networking start (or restart)? dhclient is available, interface is there and has link, executing manually dhclient works (http://dpaste.com/768970/plain) |
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| 11:23.28 | thewanderer1 | JeffJohnson: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0; |
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| 11:24.35 | JeffJohnson | thewanderer1: i dont have ifupdown installed, than this will be the reason:) |
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| 11:25.57 | debclair | hi everyone, I can't get debian to automatically mount any flash drive, but it does let me mount it manually from /dev/sdb1. Any thoughts? |
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| 11:26.55 | ompaul | debclair: apt-cache search pmount and see if that meats your needs |
| 11:27.01 | smiledays | I want change mirror site on debian squeeze. but command not found deb, deb-src, add-apt-repository. etc... How do I? |
| 11:27.57 | cvr | smiledays: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 11:28.27 | debclair | ompaul, do you know if it's better than usbmount? |
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| 11:29.16 | Quibus | hi, /tmp used to be as large as my whole disk, but now it's suddenly limited to some small amount like 800M... how can I get back the old behavour or increase it? |
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| 11:30.35 | cvr | Quibus: its mounted as tmpfs now, remove that and you'll have the old behaviour back |
| 11:30.50 | Quibus | cvr: OK, but what's the reason of this? What's the advantage of tmpfs? |
| 11:32.53 | cvr | Quibus: adv and disadvantages have been discussed to death on the maillinglist, reduces writes to disk, amoungst others but I dont think its that effective |
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| 11:33.40 | Quibus | cvr: well, I wonder what to do. remove the tmpfs stuff (in /etc/default/rcS) or make a separate fstab entry. |
| 11:34.41 | thewanderer1 | seeing how the most common problem related to USB mounting is a corrupt /etc/fstab entry, maybe a factoid would be justified here... |
| 11:35.02 | cvr | Quibus: id say edit RAMTMP and you wont need todo anymore i dont think |
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| 11:36.07 | Quibus | cvr: OK, edited it. I forgot how I can let this have effect though, I guess I don't *need* a reboot |
| 11:36.09 | bytemaster | hi..does anyone manage to get debian work well with vmware player? |
| 11:38.01 | cvr | Quibus: you could try manually unmount it, might depend if there are open files in there |
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| 11:40.09 | Quibus | cvr: this says it all :) http://www.mentby.com/Group/debian-user/how-to-increase-space-for-tmpfs-tmp.html |
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| 11:41.11 | splic | Hello, I'm trying to install squeeze into a virtualbox but I don't exactly understand how dynamic allocation works for space. At what point does the virtual disk file increase in size? When I format, make the filesystem or write files to it? How big of a volume is presented to the guest OS? |
| 11:41.19 | smiledays | the remote server, root permission logged-on by 'sudo', how to use rich editor of local client? |
| 11:41.48 | cvr | Quibus: yeh thats the one |
| 11:42.25 | Quibus | well, I think it's a bad idea to limit the size of /tmp/ that much |
| 11:42.31 | Quibus | I use it often for large temporary stuff |
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| 11:42.40 | Quibus | so far my 2 cents |
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| 11:43.05 | Quibus | I'll reboot to be sure |
| 11:43.06 | Quibus | see you |
| 11:43.09 | Quibus | and thanks, cvr |
| 11:43.14 | cvr | Quibus: nps |
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| 11:53.25 | Darkasakerionz | Hello, there is any way to put tightvnc over ssh and not over internet? Thanks |
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| 11:54.55 | colo-work | Darkasakerionz, just use SSH2's TCP forwarding |
| 11:55.12 | colo-work | (will still be over the internet, but transparently encrypted) |
| 11:55.22 | engla | or ssvnc? |
| 11:55.35 | Darkasakerionz | colo-work, I don't want to go "over the internet" |
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| 11:57.19 | abrotman | Darkasakerionz: how exactly would you like to use vnc but not over the internet? |
| 11:57.36 | abrotman | do you understand what you're asking for? |
| 11:58.01 | Darkasakerionz | abrotman, yes, block the port and do it only to localhost |
| 11:58.14 | abrotman | then why would you need ssh ? |
| 11:58.26 | Darkasakerionz | for connecting |
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| 11:58.36 | abrotman | ... |
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| 11:58.40 | tetreb | hey |
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| 12:05.14 | Led_Zeppelin | just curious, I am planning to compile my own version of gcc and I want to replace centOS default version, would there be a problem? |
| 12:05.18 | Led_Zeppelin | basically, symlink /usr/local/bin/gcc with /usr/bin/gcc |
| 12:05.59 | jelly-home | Led_Zeppelin: are you sure you're in the right channel for that question? |
| 12:06.08 | Led_Zeppelin | heh. |
| 12:06.18 | Led_Zeppelin | well, I was just curious. I suppose I can goto #gcc |
| 12:06.28 | Led_Zeppelin | it should not break my OS, correct? |
| 12:06.43 | jelly-home | centos people might know |
| 12:06.59 | jelly-home | it would break some expectations in Debian |
| 12:07.32 | jelly-home | ie. you don't want to do that on Debian |
| 12:07.41 | Led_Zeppelin | heh |
| 12:08.35 | ManoftheSea | jelly-home: what kind of expectation? |
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| 12:08.42 | ManoftheSea | a version thing? |
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| 12:09.23 | Led_Zeppelin | so, would tools and programs still work if only gcc was replaced? |
| 12:09.40 | stew | Led_Zeppelin: in centos? |
| 12:09.48 | Led_Zeppelin | stew, in general. |
| 12:09.56 | stew | Led_Zeppelin: try askin ##linux |
| 12:09.59 | jelly-home | ManoftheSea: one thing that comes to my mind is kernel modules building |
| 12:10.00 | Led_Zeppelin | it could be debian/ubuntu, centos, etc.. |
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| 12:10.39 | jelly-home | Led_Zeppelin: and the answers might be different depending on the distro. Ask in the right place to get an appropriate response. |
| 12:10.53 | ManoftheSea | jelly-home: because they don't see the gcc package? Or because it's a different version than the kernel was built with? |
| 12:11.05 | ManoftheSea | I'm interested in debian. |
| 12:11.11 | jelly-home | ManoftheSea: the latter |
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| 12:11.45 | ManoftheSea | You would expect it to work fine if I make-kpkg'ed my new kernel with my new version of gcc? |
| 12:12.02 | jelly-home | sure |
| 12:12.05 | ManoftheSea | thanks. |
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| 12:12.47 | ManoftheSea | Led_Zeppelin: in general, things that are already built aren't going to be affected if you change gcc. Things that will be built (dkms) may break. |
| 12:13.30 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: why are you asking #debian about centos ? |
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| 12:16.51 | abrotman | i stepped on a bird! |
| 12:16.56 | abrotman | leave me alone! |
| 12:16.58 | Calinou | that's normal |
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| 12:27.07 | vizzy_work | hi, the longer i try to use squeeze, the more problems occur. i tried to change default wm, now i cant start gdm3, kdm or similar without a hangup. how can i reenable ctrl-alt-backspace to shut down x? at least it is needed to kill X after starting gdm and gdm tries to start up in wrong resolution etc. and it doesnt stop starting again and crashm start and crashm start and crash... even after 10 min. its still starting and crashing |
| 12:27.45 | vizzy_work | ... to enable that cvery useful hotkey again |
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| 12:28.58 | vizzy_work | is there a simple nice to read howto configure debian? with all that secret commands like dpkg-reconfigure something? where is all that essential info hidden? |
| 12:29.29 | boudiccas | vizzy_work: gnome-control-center |
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| 12:30.12 | vizzy_work | boudiccas: as i mentioned before, i dont get an x, so a fancy gnome tool wont really help |
| 12:30.35 | vizzy_work | boudiccas: and the gnome comntrol center doesnt tell which configs are updated and modified. |
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| 12:31.07 | tetreb | no vizzy_work , you need to stop gdm from the terminal |
| 12:31.34 | vizzy_work | tetreb: if it wont let me on the console because it restarts and fails all the time, a console is not available :P |
| 12:31.36 | cvr | vizzy_work: you add the option in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. i think its ZAP something |
| 12:31.57 | tetreb | zap would just restart it, I think |
| 12:31.59 | vizzy_work | thx. but how can i reanable the very useful hotkey ctrl-alt-backspace which is for hard killing x |
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| 12:32.19 | cvr | vizzy_work: that will reenable the shortcut |
| 12:32.40 | vizzy_work | its a linux, not windows, so io dont want any automagiosm here and indeed a reboot is inacceptable if not really necesary ;-) |
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| 12:33.12 | tetreb | then ssh into the machine and kill gdm |
| 12:33.23 | tetreb | I guess |
| 12:33.40 | vizzy_work | cvr: the problem with xorg.conf is that x starts up in 1024x768 on a 13xx pixel wide diaply and when i ruin x -configure and use that xorg.conf, it wont start at all |
| 12:33.52 | abrotman | !nozap |
| 12:33.58 | abrotman | !dontzap |
| 12:33.59 | dpkg | As of Squeeze, terminating an X server via Ctrl+Alt+Backspace ("zapping") is disabled by default. To enable, run "dpkg-reconfigure -pmedium keyboard-configuration" and answer Yes when asked if Ctrl+Alt+Backspace can terminate the X server (or "setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"). |
| 12:34.23 | vizzy_work | great, and where are all these mysterious dpkg-reconfigure sommand and options explained? |
| 12:34.33 | vizzy_work | so i dont need to ask here and can read myself |
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| 12:34.44 | Golf | ciao |
| 12:34.46 | cvr | vizzy_work: man xorg.conf |
| 12:34.49 | Golf | !list |
| 12:34.50 | dpkg | golf: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 12:35.34 | vizzy_work | cvr, man xorg.conf doesnt explain options to dkpg-reconfigure |
| 12:35.47 | vizzy_work | but it seems that only a handfull of people know about these options ;-)) |
| 12:35.52 | cvr | vizzy_work: it explains DontZap |
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| 12:36.23 | Golf | !help |
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| 12:36.44 | abrotman | vizzy_work: lots of docs in /usr/share/doc/ |
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| 12:36.50 | abrotman | Golf: try debian.org |
| 12:36.52 | abrotman | boo |
| 12:37.07 | vizzy_work | cvr, for now i cant use an xorg.conf because it fuxxx up my x windows |
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| 12:45.04 | vizzy_work | !dpkg-reconfigure |
| 12:45.04 | dpkg | from memory, dpkg-reconfigure is a tool used to reconfigure packages |
| 12:45.18 | vizzy_work | oh, indeed? grml |
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| 12:50.08 | boudiccas | is there a GUI for backup-manager in squeeze please? |
| 12:51.14 | ratatata | nu |
| 12:51.37 | boudiccas | ratatata: nu? what do you mean please? |
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| 12:52.18 | Tumulte | Hi ! |
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| 12:52.51 | Tumulte | In this chan do you have premade answer like in #debian-next (!dpkg !stuff ...) ? |
| 12:53.21 | boudiccas | Tumulte: we have factoids, so yes |
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| 12:54.11 | Tumulte | Oh! It's called factoids ! It should be enough to find how to made them ! |
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| 13:06.03 | riot_le | hello anyone here with experience in preseed-config for customizing the standard Debian Installer? |
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| 13:06.30 | rizlah | Does bug count need to be 0 before wheezy is officially released? |
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| 13:06.38 | eevar | any reason why certain web sites, e.g. xxl.no , won't load with either chromium or iceweasel? or even where to start looking? -- works fine on my windows pc, but not on wheezy |
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| 13:09.02 | engla | eevar: in what way does it fail? |
| 13:09.26 | eevar | seems like the connection is closing/timing out |
| 13:09.28 | abrotman | eevar: DNS issues? |
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| 13:10.07 | eevar | dunno. afaik I use the same dns server here |
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| 13:13.23 | thewanderer1 | eevar: maybe the MTU doesn't match what your network uses? |
| 13:14.11 | vizzy_work | is there a kernel 2.6.38 for squeeze? i enabled backports but only kernel 3.00 is there and if selecting it wants to remove my 2.6 default kernel |
| 13:15.34 | vizzy_work | at least if i try to install it, it breaks a lot dependencies and fails |
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| 13:16.26 | vizzy_work | k, ill get an ubuntu now and dont care about the fact that a mnodern linux user has no more rights to decide what the machine should run/do :P |
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| 13:16.48 | engla | 3.0? you should find 3.2 in backports |
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| 13:19.09 | engla | hm, so vizzy_work gave it 2 minutes in #debian and is then going to waste hours to reinstall and configure |
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| 13:20.01 | boudiccas | engla: he screwed up his desktop settings in gnome, kde, and some other wm |
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| 13:21.02 | engla | hm, ok, vizzy was here before |
| 13:21.22 | boudiccas | yes, several times over teh last couple of days |
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| 13:23.57 | nezZario | could someone please paste me their /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:24.09 | nezZario | i just overwrote mine with 0 length file |
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| 13:25.43 | boudiccas | nezZario: for what version of debian? |
| 13:26.06 | dkr | !tell nezZario about sources.list |
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| 13:27.59 | nezZario | thanks.. i guess i was pretty sleepy last night when I wrote this shell script to autosetup ec2 instances :) |
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| 13:33.19 | eevar | seems it was a dns issue. makes perfect sense when you think about it, thanks |
| 13:34.22 | kajo | hi, what is the *correct* way to change grub boot configuration? i had some custom parameters in /boot/grub/grub.conf but now i installed memtest86+ and grup config has changed and the parameters are gone.. where do i have to put such parameters to make it rewrite them if i update the kernel or install memtest86 etc ? |
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| 13:34.58 | dkr | nezZario: tried cloud formation? :) |
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| 13:36.28 | dkr | kajo: the comments in menu.list say where to put custom stuff |
| 13:37.21 | kajo | dkr: there are no comment in /var/lib/dpkg/info/menu.list |
| 13:37.55 | dkr | oh, grub.conf. there is a custom.cfg sourced by it |
| 13:38.22 | babilen | kajo: Which grub version? |
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| 13:41.32 | kajo | babilen: i have only these installed: grub-common grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub2-common so i think it is grub2 |
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| 13:42.35 | kajo | i think i've found it: /etc/default/grub , the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT variable. thanks dkr ;) |
| 13:43.06 | babilen | kajo: That is grub2 -- The only file you want to edit is: /etc/default/grub (read "info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'") and (maybe) /etc/grub.d/4*_custom -- Re-run "update-grub" after you make changes. Do *not* edit any other files. |
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| 13:46.43 | kajo | thanks babilen. it works perfectly ! :) |
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| 13:47.19 | boudiccas | kajo: have you rebooted to test it? |
| 13:47.36 | tetreb | Are there still patent issues regarding font hinting? |
| 13:48.21 | babilen | kajo: Wonderful -- Just keep in mind to never edit other files. There are are a lot of wrong "tutorials" floating around on the internet that ask you to do something else. |
| 13:49.10 | babilen | tetreb: http://www.debian.org/legal/patent -- That is Debian's official position. Which patent are you referring to and how does this relate to Debian? |
| 13:49.17 | kajo | boudiccas: i 've wrote some garbage in /boot/grub/grub.cfg as cmdline arguments. then i edited /etc/default/grub with the right custom parameters i need. then i 've used update-grub and than i've checked /boot/grub/grub.cfg and the file was changed , it has the right parameters. so i think it works |
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| 13:49.38 | tetreb | babilen: I have a Microsoft font here which looks odd in Iceweasel. |
| 13:49.48 | kajo | *then |
| 13:50.07 | tetreb | I already did reconfigure fontconfig to use autohinter, and I tried native too. |
| 13:50.50 | tetreb | babilen: I think in latest Ubuntu it looked normal, so I thought it might be an issue of installing extra packages. |
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| 13:51.57 | babilen | tetreb: I think I know what this is about, but it has nothing to do with patents or autohinting. Which version of Debian and Iceweasel are you using? |
| 13:52.16 | babilen | And why don't you just leave? |
| 13:52.35 | boudiccas | babilen: hes gone |
| 13:52.39 | babilen | I know |
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| 13:55.07 | tetreb | I accidentally restarted X. I have a problem with Calibri.ttf, Arial seems OK. |
| 13:55.26 | babilen | tetreb: Well, don't do that. Which version of Debian/Iceweasel is that? |
| 13:55.30 | babilen | ;) |
| 13:56.11 | tetreb | babilen: :) it is testing, wheezy |
| 13:56.51 | tetreb | libreoffice seems to render differently |
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| 13:58.11 | tetreb | I want the same font rendering I get in Windows, basically |
| 13:58.13 | babilen | Ok, in that case I am not sure what might cause that. Is Calibri.ttf in Debian? Can you upload a picture of this "oddness" to, say, picpaste/imgur? |
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| 13:58.38 | tetreb | babilen: I will try, I copied the font from my windows7 installation. |
| 13:58.45 | babilen | (There is a bug/problem in cairo in stable that affects font rendering) |
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| 13:59.40 | babilen | Hmm, how did you install the font? Can you reproduce that with *any* font that comes with Debian? |
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| 14:01.37 | pithagorians | hi all |
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| 14:02.10 | tetreb | babilen: I copied it to ~/.fonts. I can only get similar issues with a mscorefont: Lucida Console |
| 14:02.15 | pithagorians | any idea how to block IPs that are accessing the site by containing word |
| 14:02.18 | pithagorians | i have in log |
| 14:02.19 | pithagorians | 92.100.144.18 - - [10/Jul/2012:15:59:17 +0200] "GET /catalog/product/view/id/3184/s/sony-prs-t1bc-schwarz/category/144/ HTTP/1.1" 200 21494 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; 008/0.83; http://www.80legs.com/webcrawler.html) Gecko/2008032620" |
| 14:02.24 | pithagorians | from many IPs |
| 14:02.46 | boudiccas | pithagorians: 'by containing word'? what do you mean please? |
| 14:03.26 | pithagorians | i have many requests like the one above |
| 14:03.30 | pithagorians | containing http://www.80legs.com/webcrawler.html |
| 14:03.42 | pithagorians | and i want to block all of them by this string |
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| 14:04.38 | Calinou | <tetreb> I want the same font rendering I get in Windows, basically < why would you want a painful-to-read font? |
| 14:04.50 | babilen | tetreb: Could you run "fc-cache -fv" (as root) please? I am not entirely sure how well that font is supposed to behave in Debian, but I don't see a reason why it shouldn't. |
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| 14:05.38 | babilen | tetreb: You might also want to play with "dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config" and "dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig", but I would personally suggest to just use a different font ;) |
| 14:06.22 | tetreb | babilen: OK, fc-cache didn't help. :) I just hoped to get it working here, since in Ubuntu it did work. |
| 14:07.51 | babilen | tetreb: You might want to ask on the mailing list as well. I am by no means a font-guru and others might know more. :-/ |
| 14:09.12 | tetreb | babilen: http://s12.postimage.org/3o9w2vr6l/Untitled.png this is the issue btw. |
| 14:09.25 | tetreb | babilen: I will try that too, thanks |
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| 14:12.11 | babilen | tetreb: Ah, ok. So the problem is that ligatures are printed bold ... :-/ |
| 14:12.55 | babilen | tetreb: That is a weird problem, but it might be that the font you installed doesn't come in all weights and that the bold one is used to render ligatures. |
| 14:13.19 | tetreb | babilen: ah, never heard of ligatures :) |
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| 14:14.17 | babilen | tetreb: What does "fc-list | grep -i calibri" give you? (paste that to http://paste.debian.net please) -- A ligature is .. well .. just read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typographic_ligature |
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| 14:14.56 | tetreb | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/178452/ |
| 14:15.04 | babilen | tetreb: fwiw, I would recommend Linux Libertine and Linux Biolinum. Both are very advanced fonts that provide a lot of features that are hip these days. |
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| 14:15.19 | Joshun | hi |
| 14:15.28 | Joshun | is it more stable to run tasksel after debian has installed |
| 14:15.38 | Joshun | as apposed to running it at install time |
| 14:15.46 | babilen | Joshun: What do you mean by "stable" ? |
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| 14:15.54 | Joshun | less likely to get stuck |
| 14:16.38 | babilen | tetreb: It might also be that iceweasel uses a different font to render ligatures. I have, however, no idea to to influence that. But it is *definitely* that issue if it happens for combinations such as tt ft fi fu ffi ff ... |
| 14:17.04 | babilen | Joshun: Both should work fine |
| 14:17.15 | Joshun | i've had the installer get stuck a few times before |
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| 14:17.26 | Joshun | netinstall that is |
| 14:17.35 | babilen | Joshun: But you can just directly install the task packages after the installation and start with a minimal installation. At least that is what I am doing most of the time. |
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| 14:17.53 | babilen | Joshun: Which netinstall and how/where did it get stuck? |
| 14:19.22 | Joshun | its for a custom arm port |
| 14:19.30 | Joshun | so it may be just the fault of that |
| 14:19.48 | kajo | pithagorians: contact them. they have instruction on their site. |
| 14:19.48 | Joshun | it just seems like there could be more to go wrong - more packages etc |
| 14:19.56 | babilen | Joshun: So you are not installing Debian? |
| 14:20.02 | Joshun | yeah |
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| 14:20.07 | Joshun | its a custom version of debian |
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| 14:20.16 | Joshun | but has the same installer |
| 14:20.26 | Joshun | apart from some slightly different parameters |
| 14:21.17 | babilen | Joshun: You might want to ask the distribution you are installing in that case. I would personally recommend to just start with a minimal system, but both installation procedures should work. I guess that whatever debian-installer you are using is broken, but we cannot support that. |
| 14:21.17 | Joshun | i think 'll just run taskel after |
| 14:21.30 | Joshun | yeah |
| 14:21.35 | Joshun | i was just asking generally |
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| 14:21.46 | Joshun | i do have debian on a normal machine which installed fine |
| 14:21.55 | Joshun | though that wasn't netinstall |
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| 14:22.13 | dpy | hi guys |
| 14:22.18 | Rovanion | I can't write å,ä and ö in bash on a computer that I've ssh'd into. It has LANG=sv_SE.UTF-8 but LC_ALL=C when I run locale even though /etc/default/locale has LC_ALL="sv_SE.UTF-8" |
| 14:22.38 | dpy | does anyone know if you can prevent DKMS from trying to build a module for a particular kernel? |
| 14:22.43 | Rovanion | I'm just assuming this has something to do with locale |
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| 14:22.58 | tetreb | babilen: Thanks for the hint. I just installed Biolinum and it seems to show the same issue, or am I too picky? Look how the 'w', 'v' and 'y' are a bit thicker. Similar to what happens to Lucida mscorefont. Though calibri has not the same issue then, only with the ligatures it seems. http://postimage.org/image/qctrdtj0b/ |
| 14:23.04 | babilen | Joshun: It shouldn't make a difference. I just never install any tasks apart from, say, standard and laptop ... I know which packages I want and just install those directly. |
| 14:23.22 | Joshun | dpy - you could just blacklist the module |
| 14:23.23 | dpy | virtualbox dkms won't compile against one of my kernels, I just want it to skip that kernel and continue, instead it aborts |
| 14:23.28 | kajo | pithagorians: or you can use robots.txt to lock that user agent |
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| 14:23.38 | babilen | tetreb: I see what you mean .. Which website is that? |
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| 14:23.57 | plop28 | hi there |
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| 14:24.13 | Joshun | babilen - i usually do that. i like to choose my desktop environment for instance and not have the default one |
| 14:24.23 | dpy | I'm fine with not being able to run virtualbox when running that particular kernel, except the system won't let me make this decision |
| 14:24.43 | kajo | pithagorians: maybe (on 2 lines) "User-agent: 008" and "Disallow: *" in the robots.txt could fix it. |
| 14:25.03 | tetreb | babilen: freedesktop, pulseaudio homepage |
| 14:25.05 | Joshun | dpy - you could write a bash script to unload it |
| 14:25.11 | Joshun | on a certain kernel |
| 14:25.14 | dpy | unload what? |
| 14:25.19 | Joshun | the kernel module |
| 14:25.20 | dpy | it's the compilation that fails |
| 14:25.28 | dpy | not the loading |
| 14:25.34 | tetreb | babilen: could the nvidia binary be an issue too? |
| 14:25.34 | dpy | it won't even install the kernel module |
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| 14:25.46 | dpy | but it won't install them for the other kernels either |
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| 14:26.01 | Joshun | maybe you should purge it completely |
| 14:26.04 | Joshun | and reinstall it |
| 14:26.18 | dpy | which is the whole problem, now for none of my kernels I can run vbox, so long as I have the one kernel installed that makes dkms fail |
| 14:26.41 | Joshun | is it an old kernel |
| 14:26.45 | Joshun | you could just remove it |
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| 14:27.21 | babilen | tetreb: Same issue with, say, chromium? |
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| 14:29.06 | babilen | tetreb: But yeah, I can reproduce it here. I'll dig a little, but don't have enough time right now. I am not entirely sure what causes it, but something in the rendering process must be broken. You could file a bug against biolinum .. That will probably get the attention of the right people. I guess that it is a Cairo problem with specific fonts though .. but who knows? |
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| 14:30.38 | zax | if i open a few screen commands ie screen -S somenamesession how can I see /track what is going on in each screen? |
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| 14:31.54 | zax | if i connect via ssh then diconnect via ssh will the screen session continue ? |
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| 14:33.10 | tetreb | babilen: Thanks anyway, Chromium displays Calibri well. The others seem the same. |
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| 14:34.05 | LtL | zax: ctrl^a-^d and detach, yes |
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| 14:35.09 | th1 | hi, I had a server with lenny, that I wanted to upgrade to wheezy, so I upgraded to squeeze first and that went ok, but then I started upgrading to wheezy and then it crashed like this: http://paste.debian.net/178454/ and now it can't resolve it and gives "E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages." |
| 14:35.13 | tetreb | I look into submitting a bug against Biolinum. |
| 14:35.26 | th1 | I have tried apt-get install -f and checked dpkg --get-selection there are no "held" packages |
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| 14:36.15 | stew | th1: what version of perl-base is installed? |
| 14:36.34 | zax | LtL: thanks yes was the wprd I was hoping for |
| 14:36.50 | Sevet | Does anyone know why javac might be unable to find org.junit even though javac.jar is in the classpath? http://pastie.org/4231970 |
| 14:37.01 | th1 | stew, 5.10.1-17squeeze3 |
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| 14:39.00 | th1 | stew, perl --version works, and perl -e 'print "test"' works |
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| 14:39.25 | stew | th1: and what does perl --version report as a version? |
| 14:39.33 | th1 | v5.10.1 |
| 14:39.41 | stew | th1: where is the "pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks" error? |
| 14:39.45 | stew | oh |
| 14:39.53 | th1 | stew, when I try apt-get install -f |
| 14:40.04 | th1 | after a ton of broken dependencies are listed, too big for paste.debian.org |
| 14:40.15 | stew | th1: what command generated the error we are seeing? |
| 14:40.20 | stew | th1: and do you have packages on hold? |
| 14:40.20 | th1 | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:40.23 | th1 | no |
| 14:40.42 | boudiccas | th1: try apt-get clean, and then try apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
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| 14:40.57 | stew | apt-get clean can't possibly help |
| 14:41.06 | th1 | boudiccas, same |
| 14:41.56 | stew | th1: what version of dpkg and apt are installed? |
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| 14:42.43 | Hyppias | can I run webmatrix 2 on a win XP machine? I want to run an IIS website on it... |
| 14:43.11 | boudiccas | Hyppias: how would we know, we only support debian, not ms windows |
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| 14:43.25 | Hyppias | oops. wrong window. sorry |
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| 14:46.26 | BitPuffin | Hello |
| 14:46.38 | BitPuffin | How can I install 32bit libGL-mesa-dev? |
| 14:46.48 | BitPuffin | Because I don't find a 32bit package |
| 14:47.46 | th1 | stew, apt is 0.8.10.3+squeeze1 and dpkg is 1.15.8.12 |
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| 14:48.57 | BitPuffin | I've even got 32bit repo enabled, here's my sources.list |
| 14:49.04 | th1 | also here is the error output from apt-get upgrade: http://paste.debian.net/178456/ |
| 14:49.13 | rizlah | Does bug count need to be 0 before wheezy is officially released? |
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| 14:50.45 | th1 | stew, and here is output from apt-get install -f: http://paste.debian.net/178458/ |
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| 14:52.11 | BitPuffin | http://pastebin.com/5mFUa5rd So I should have 32bit available? |
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| 14:54.13 | boudiccas | rizlah: doubtful |
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| 14:54.43 | rizlah | I see |
| 14:56.49 | babilen | th1: Try aptitude please |
| 14:57.37 | Psychonaut | If I am compiling a new kernel with the grsecurity patch, why should I use the debian sources instead of the vanilla ones ? |
| 14:57.52 | th1 | babilen, aptitude what? |
| 14:58.16 | babilen | th1: Well, "aptitude dist-upgrade" or "aptitude install -f" come to mind |
| 14:58.38 | th1 | babilen, it comes up with a solution where it will remove a whole lotof important packages |
| 14:58.40 | babilen | th1: You seem to have quite a mess there, but I don't have the time (right now) to investigate that in detail. |
| 14:58.57 | th1 | babilen, I think the worst mess is that doc-base is half-configured |
| 14:59.04 | th1 | anyway I can trick it into thinking it's ok? |
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| 15:01.10 | th1 | babilen, it wants to remove 358 packages including all of gnome and x and emacs and hundreds more |
| 15:01.20 | th1 | :( |
| 15:01.41 | boudiccas | that would gut the installation! :( |
| 15:01.49 | th1 | yes |
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| 15:02.46 | th1 | can I trick dpkg to think that doc-base is configured just fine? |
| 15:02.48 | surfdue | Ok I am feeling stupid here.. on the debian download site I can't seem to find x86_64 |
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| 15:03.48 | LtL | surfdue: it's known as amd64 if i'm reading you right |
| 15:04.02 | surfdue | LtL: I thought that, but then I thought perhaps im going crazy.. |
| 15:04.04 | surfdue | Thank you |
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| 15:04.15 | LtL | sure |
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| 15:05.33 | tetreb | I didn't succeed sending a mail through reportbug. Can I just send the content of the saved template to submit@bugs.debian.org ? |
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| 15:11.10 | kostja_osipov | hello. how do I quickly find out whether i'm running stable, testing or unstsable? |
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| 15:11.35 | tetreb | i'd look in sources.list first |
| 15:12.03 | tetreb | and compare package versions you have to what you should have |
| 15:12.08 | LtL | kostja_osipov: try lsb_release -a |
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| 15:13.02 | kostja_osipov | LtL: this gives me Codename:precise |
| 15:13.20 | kostja_osipov | does it give stable/unstable/testing on debian? |
| 15:13.29 | kostja_osipov | i'd think it would give sid/wheezy/squeeze, no? |
| 15:13.43 | kostja_osipov | tries |
| 15:13.56 | LtL | kostja_osipov: thats something i've never seen, don't know |
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| 15:16.37 | LtL | kostja_osipov: yes it should say codename squeeze or i would assume wheezy or testin |
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| 15:20.45 | Calinou | kostja_osipov, you're on ubuntu then, not debian |
| 15:21.03 | th1 | it's awefully messed up now :( |
| 15:21.13 | th1 | aptitude install -f can't find a solution |
| 15:21.48 | kostja_osipov | Calinou: yes. I am building open source softwae for debian and ubuntu |
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| 15:22.12 | kostja_osipov | and need to provide my users with a simple instruction for their system, how they can add our software repository to their sources list |
| 15:22.17 | kostja_osipov | it seems to be not a trivial task |
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| 15:22.53 | kostja_osipov | on ubuntu one can simply say apt-add-repository http://tarantool.org/dist/ubuntu, and apt-add-repository chooses the correct version (precise, etc) automatically |
| 15:23.01 | kostja_osipov | how should I instruct debian users? |
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| 15:23.19 | kostja_osipov | there is no apt-add-repository, so what package source should they add? |
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| 15:24.28 | jordanm | kostja_osipov: I would go the route google takes and have your .deb install a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
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| 15:24.45 | jordanm | kostja_osipov: or preferably if your software is open source, get the package directly into debian |
| 15:24.58 | kostja_osipov | jordanm: it's already in debian |
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| 15:25.07 | kostja_osipov | but we provide daily updates in our own repo |
| 15:25.57 | kostja_osipov | jordanm: i didn't quite understand this route, with /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
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| 15:30.02 | surfdue | I downloaded the mini.iso which is approx. 16mb but the iso appears to just be empty with 2 folders one is .trashes |
| 15:30.22 | surfdue | the other folder is .fseventsd |
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| 15:30.59 | boudiccas | surfdue: what mini.iso? and from where? |
| 15:31.07 | surfdue | boudiccas: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ |
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| 15:33.43 | surfdue | boudiccas: is that not correct? |
| 15:34.07 | boudiccas | surfdue: no idea, i've never used the netinstall |
| 15:35.03 | stew | surfdue: you are going to do a PXE install? |
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| 15:35.16 | stew | surfdue: the iso does not appear to be empty to me |
| 15:35.41 | surfdue | just going to stick it on a usb and stick that in the computer. :) |
| 15:35.56 | stew | surfdue: then no, that is the wrong iso, you want a netinst iso |
| 15:36.12 | Rockj | anyone who is "pro" with grub2 and uefi? I finally got my system booting with uefi but I have no idea how to get update-grub to actually update the EFI partition with latest kernel etc |
| 15:36.58 | Rockj | also quite tiring having to insmod quite a lot of modules in the right order to be able to boot at all |
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| 15:42.53 | EyesIsMine | how can a loop partition get corrupted |
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| 15:44.54 | th1 | EyesIsMine, in thousands of ways |
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| 15:46.28 | EyesIsMine | well that's bad, according to fsck.jfs the superblock is corrupted and cannot be repaired |
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| 15:52.05 | th1 | EyesIsMine, you didn't ask a very specific question it's impossible to help you |
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| 15:55.07 | ahwan | hi |
| 15:55.24 | ahwan | any 1 will help me? pv with me |
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| 15:56.07 | jhutchins_lt | ask |
| 15:56.18 | jhutchins_lt | !ask |
| 15:56.18 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 15:56.21 | ahwan | no its not a question |
| 15:57.27 | boudiccas | Mogget: http://paste.debian.net/178472/ .basically i want it to keep 15 previous days and delete the old ones when they create a new one at midnight |
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| 15:57.44 | ahwan | its not about debian.....any 1 interested 2 help a student? pv with me.. |
| 15:58.24 | boudiccas | sorrry, wrong window |
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| 15:59.22 | Mogget | boudiccas: i can ignore the reference? |
| 16:00.26 | boudiccas | Mogget: yes, sorry |
| 16:01.05 | ahwan | boudiccas pv with me |
| 16:01.23 | Mogget | boudiccas: np ^^ |
| 16:01.55 | boudiccas | ahwan: no |
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| 16:02.07 | tetreb | have libcairo and libxft already been patched in Testing like in Ubuntu, or won't the patches be included? |
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| 16:02.13 | mentalskin | wena |
| 16:02.15 | mentalskin | estaba acostao |
| 16:02.17 | mentalskin | cagao de friio |
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| 16:05.19 | surfdue | debian 6.0.5 vs 6.0.5-live |
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| 16:05.53 | surfdue | can i install from the live image |
| 16:06.40 | boudiccas | surfdue: i dont think so |
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| 16:07.34 | surfdue | boudiccas: problem I am having is that the server is behind a windows server gateway that takes its sweet time to respond to DHCP so the installer just kept failing to connect. |
| 16:07.36 | surfdue | :/ |
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| 16:08.23 | boudiccas | surfdue: then download and burn dvd1/cd1 and install from that and then update and install other stuff after its finished |
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| 16:08.49 | surfdue | boudiccas: im pretty much finished with the 6.0.5 amd64 netinst is that going to be a problem :/ |
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| 16:09.14 | boudiccas | if you're able to netinstall then carry on :) |
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| 16:09.47 | surfdue | boudiccas: will the netinst image (169mb) detect my network connection better then the mini.iso (12mb) |
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| 16:10.24 | boudiccas | surfdue: i reckon so, although i've never used the netinstall |
| 16:10.45 | surfdue | wow 53 CD's for a full install |
| 16:10.48 | surfdue | thats huge |
| 16:11.07 | flower | never had problems with the netinst, lan was working or wlan, mostly not both so had to gamble with, surfdue |
| 16:11.36 | Fahm | surfdue: you only need the first one |
| 16:12.00 | th1 | surfdude you never need all the CD's |
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| 16:12.19 | th1 | only if you are in some country where there is no internets like North Korea |
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| 16:12.46 | ciem | hello |
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| 16:16.30 | th1 | stew, I think I got out of my mess |
| 16:16.55 | boudiccas | th1 how? |
| 16:16.58 | th1 | by fiddling back and forth with apt-get and aptitude and letting it remove a bunch of packages |
| 16:16.58 | jhutchins_lt | surfdue: 30,000+ packages |
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| 16:22.42 | th1 | stew, in addition I think I found out why it was borked |
| 16:23.05 | th1 | because some packages from debian-multimedia.org were strange and could not get upgraded by squeeze |
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| 16:23.12 | th1 | after I manuallyr emoved them its better |
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| 16:33.25 | th1 | it's all joy |
| 16:33.29 | th1 | all packages up to date as squeeze |
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| 16:35.44 | citric_acid | ciao. On openbox, if i right-click in the background i get the openbox menu. Is it possible to optain it by using the keyboard? for example by using the 'properties' key (the one between AltGr and Ctrl ? I've looked in the ~/.config/openbox/ directory but there are no config files about that |
| 16:35.59 | citric_acid | *obtain |
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| 16:36.32 | citric_acid | *) |
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| 16:39.44 | thm | hi, does someone know a repo with uwsgi for squeeze? |
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| 16:42.32 | project2501a | is there a way to tell apt that it should keep all the non-required packages instead of deleting them? |
| 16:43.21 | Diopter | project2501a: That's a strange question. "instead of deleting them" when you do... what? |
| 16:43.52 | project2501a | apt-get autoremove. right? remove unused packages. |
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| 16:44.53 | project2501a | well, i would like to keep what is not used. not remove it |
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| 16:45.44 | Diopter | project2501a: Then why are you running autoremove? |
| 16:45.58 | Diopter | project2501a: Do you mean... mark all of the unused packages as 'used' so they're not autoremovable? |
| 16:46.14 | cuit | Hi, in debian 6.0.5, is ext4 stable? I assume it is because it's a kernel thing but just want to know because ext4 is better than ext3 which is default and am wondering if there might be anything unexpected about ext4 in debian gnu/linux |
| 16:46.32 | project2501a | yes. sorry, that's what i mean: mark all the unused packages as uses so they are not autoremovable |
| 16:46.39 | project2501a | engrish not wokring |
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| 16:47.03 | project2501a | cuit: why is ext4 better than ext3? |
| 16:47.18 | Diopter | ext4 is better in a variety of ways. Wikipedia has a nice overview |
| 16:47.19 | th1 | project2501a, because it has much better performance |
| 16:47.23 | cuit | project2501a: journeying primarilly |
| 16:47.24 | Diopter | cuit: ext4 is considered fairly stable now, yes. |
| 16:47.41 | th1 | but ext3 is more robust in case performance is a non-issue |
| 16:47.47 | Diopter | cuit: Also, ext3 has journaling. And you can manually enable directory indexes, which increases performance a lot. |
| 16:47.49 | Diopter | However |
| 16:48.03 | Diopter | ext4 has plenty of other improvements, and is where all the active ext FS dev is being donbbe |
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| 16:48.12 | Diopter | ... wtf, s/donbbe/done/ |
| 16:48.18 | project2501a | is waiting for btrfs to mature |
| 16:48.34 | th1 | ext3 is fine for most use cases |
| 16:48.36 | Diopter | project2501a: I'm not, using it already! |
| 16:48.42 | th1 | and ext4 is too |
| 16:48.49 | Diopter | th1: Except for when you need a shitload of files in a directory. Otherwise I agree :P |
| 16:49.02 | Diopter | ext3 handles large dirents horrrribly |
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| 16:49.09 | Diopter | But that's the primary flawed area |
| 16:49.14 | th1 | Diopter, I did say most use cases |
| 16:49.16 | project2501a | Diopter: i will use it when they got all the command line tools for it |
| 16:49.33 | th1 | mostly you are being silly if you want to have huge numbers of files in a single directory anyway |
| 16:49.36 | Diopter | project2501a: They have them now. |
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| 16:50.14 | Diopter | th1: I've seen it repeatedly in production. On mail servers, mostly, with people using broken IMAP clients and filling up the 'tmp' directory with copies of copies of copies of deleted messages |
| 16:50.31 | Diopter | th1: 3mil+ files in there because of some particular bug in a version of Mail.app on OS X |
| 16:50.38 | Diopter | ext3 made it super painful to deal with :P |
| 16:50.44 | hyper_ch | hmm, I just installed wheezy and there are unmet dependencies issues for gcc-4.4-arm-linux-gnueabi |
| 16:50.59 | th1 | Diopter, yeah I've had similar issues |
| 16:51.12 | th1 | there should be some quota setting for max directory entries |
| 16:51.28 | th1 | where it returns -ENOSPC if you try to create more files than a set limit |
| 16:51.31 | Diopter | Agreed. |
| 16:51.35 | Diopter | That'd be vastly preferred |
| 16:52.01 | th1 | I've never seen that kind of directory except as a result of a bug |
| 16:52.07 | th1 | (or a very stupid user) |
| 16:52.14 | Diopter | nods |
| 16:52.17 | Diopter | It's never something you want |
| 16:52.23 | Diopter | Especially with ext3 :P |
| 16:52.26 | th1 | yeah |
| 16:52.43 | th1 | mine was from some php shop application gone wrong |
| 16:52.55 | th1 | every pageload it would create some throwaway session file |
| 16:53.00 | th1 | and never delete it |
| 16:53.18 | th1 | in the end I couldn't save that fs so I just made a new on a different disk and copied everything except that directory across |
| 16:53.21 | Diopter | I think the actual bug was that if you made an IMAP folder with a particular name, and nested it under INBOX, it would improperly consider it to refer to its parent when parsing the IMAP path prefix |
| 16:53.32 | Diopter | Because the end result was a copy of the folder, nested inside the folder |
| 16:53.35 | Diopter | And so on |
| 16:53.47 | th1 | heh |
| 16:53.49 | Diopter | th1: There was someone in here last night with that exact issue |
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| 16:53.52 | Diopter | On ext3 no less |
| 16:54.01 | Diopter | Had to do the find | xargs thing |
| 16:54.15 | th1 | in my case it was a guy from ukraine who had written the php script.. they only discovered it after it had been running that shop thing for a year ;) |
| 16:54.24 | Diopter | Which, btw, if you ever have to do, there's a way to vastly speed it up since xargs is badass. |
| 16:54.29 | th1 | there were several million of the files |
| 16:54.30 | skaman | hyper_ch: do you mean from emdebian repository? |
| 16:54.32 | Diopter | Just -n 100 -P 8, or similar |
| 16:54.41 | hyper_ch | skaman: yes |
| 16:54.46 | Diopter | So xargs will batch 100 files at a time and run 8 rm's in parallel |
| 16:54.48 | th1 | Diopter, I think I used rsync |
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| 16:55.06 | Diopter | th1: That works too! Basically anything that doesn't sort the directory contents before working on them |
| 16:55.09 | Diopter | ls -U, find, lsattr |
| 16:55.19 | Diopter | The sorting is what kills everything |
| 16:55.25 | skaman | hyper_ch: yes.. there is a broken dependency.. i don't remember the name of the package |
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| 16:55.33 | skaman | but you have two choose |
| 16:55.49 | hyper_ch | the hf one isn't there either :( |
| 16:55.49 | skaman | 1. search that package on squeeze or sid repo.. and manually install it |
| 16:56.13 | skaman | 2. (suggested) compile the gcc yourself. Because wheezy use 4.7.1 and not 4.4 anymore |
| 16:56.35 | hyper_ch | skaman: well, for 4.5, 4.6, 4.7 I didn't seen any arm packages |
| 16:56.35 | skaman | there is a guide on debian wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers but it's slightly outdated |
| 16:57.07 | skaman | if you want i can send you mine packages |
| 16:57.12 | skaman | i build them yesterday |
| 16:57.16 | skaman | for wheezy |
| 16:57.26 | hyper_ch | skaman: http://pastebin.com/A5brTHLB |
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| 16:57.52 | hyper_ch | skaman: nah, I'm trying to build a script that would create a debian for a mele a2000 on a sd card |
| 16:57.59 | glosoli | what is version of newest postgresql in Debian 6.0.5 ? |
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| 16:58.15 | hyper_ch | skaman: I have it working on squeeze but trying to get it working on wheezy |
| 16:58.16 | skaman | i know.. 4.7 doesn't exist on emdebian repository |
| 16:58.23 | skaman | you should compile it yourself |
| 16:58.30 | hyper_ch | skaman: well, then it's in wheezy repos |
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| 16:59.05 | neo^ | skaman: what's emdebian? |
| 16:59.27 | skaman | emdebian repo for wheezy |
| 16:59.37 | skaman | the newer compiler is 4.4 |
| 16:59.38 | hyper_ch | neo^: "embedded debian" |
| 16:59.52 | skaman | ah sorry.. yes.. emdebbed debian :D |
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| 17:01.19 | skaman | hyper_ch: i think your only solution is follow the wiki and compile it yourself? about the section "Convert library packages" remember the existence of xapt in wheezy |
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| 17:01.35 | skaman | for example xapt -a armel -m libc6-dev |
| 17:01.39 | hyper_ch | skaman: or wait until embedian is fixed ;) |
| 17:01.52 | hyper_ch | gcc-4.4 is fine for compiling |
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| 17:02.18 | skaman | they don't update that repo from too many time? i think they doesn't go to fix so fast :D |
| 17:02.29 | skaman | if you want 4.4 from emdebian |
| 17:02.36 | skaman | just manually get and install the missing .deb |
| 17:02.37 | skaman | it work |
| 17:02.40 | hyper_ch | I just need to cross compile |
| 17:02.41 | skaman | i did it |
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| 17:02.58 | hyper_ch | scriptable cross-compiling :) |
| 17:03.41 | skaman | sorry.. but i can't see other solutions :( |
| 17:04.17 | hyper_ch | it's ok :) |
| 17:04.40 | skaman | if you want it "scriptable" for the final user |
| 17:04.51 | skaman | you should setup your repo with your debs |
| 17:04.58 | skaman | with reprepo is easy |
| 17:05.02 | hyper_ch | no, I just want to provide a bash script |
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| 17:05.18 | hyper_ch | that will make a chrooted file system and compile kernel for the Mele A2000 |
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| 17:06.27 | skaman | it's exactly what i did for raspberry? a work really similar to your for cross compile kernel and other stuff |
| 17:06.46 | skaman | this is why i compiled 4.7 from myself.. and i made a repo with repropo |
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| 17:07.04 | hyper_ch | skaman: regarding raspberry, every kernel I compile is unbootable |
| 17:07.14 | hyper_ch | skaman: wanna see my script for squeeze? Maybe you know why |
| 17:07.23 | boudiccas | skaman: if you join #debian-offtopic you can talk rapberry pi to dutchfish, when he's there as he's done quite a bit with his |
| 17:07.34 | skaman | never tested yet.. i'm sill waiting from mine.. and sent my first kernel few minutes ago to a friend |
| 17:07.39 | skaman | i'm waiting for the test :D |
| 17:07.51 | hyper_ch | skaman: my RasPi is ready |
| 17:08.03 | hyper_ch | I just need a working self-compiled kernel |
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| 17:08.25 | skaman | ok boudiccas .. we're just talking about generic cross compiling on debian.. thanks anyway :D |
| 17:09.01 | skaman | this is the kernel i just used https://github.com/bootc/linux/tree/rpi-3.2.21 |
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| 17:10.02 | skaman | anyway for arm cross compiling on wheezy i've a ready repo.. but i don't know yet when i'll go to publish it |
| 17:10.12 | skaman | for now it's only visible from my lan |
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| 17:20.36 | dokma | I've spent hours trying to get xine to use codecs and now it's time to bother people here... |
| 17:20.48 | dokma | there's about 220 files in /usr/lib/codecs |
| 17:20.56 | dokma | the path is set in xine config |
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| 17:21.03 | dokma | but still xine does not open anything |
| 17:21.22 | boudiccas | dokma: try using vlc, its better |
| 17:21.33 | dokma | ok |
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| 17:27.12 | dokma | boudiccas: vlc can't see the codecs either |
| 17:28.01 | boudiccas | dokma: you may have to get vlc and /or the codecs from multimdeia repo |
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| 17:32.53 | dokma | boudiccas: I have w32codecs installed |
| 17:33.07 | dokma | there is over 220 files in /usr/lib/codecs |
| 17:33.17 | dokma | but for some reason none of the players see them... |
| 17:33.28 | boudiccas | dokma: are you on squeeze? i know that works with the multimedia vlc/codecs |
| 17:33.38 | dokma | yes |
| 17:33.45 | dokma | and I already use multimedia repos |
| 17:34.05 | dokma | seems like something tricky became broken |
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| 17:35.09 | sney | !why not dmm |
| 17:35.10 | dpkg | The deb-multimedia.org repository was once the only way of getting good multimedia support. By the release of squeeze this was mostly not true and for wheezy this situation is even better. Libraries from dmm are known to cause incompatibilities with packages from Debian; other packages on dmm are of sufficiently poor quality and do not meet the <DFSG> so are not allowed in Debian. Use dmm as a last resort; ask me about <dmm pinning>. |
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| 17:36.06 | kajo | hi @ *. |
| 17:36.12 | sney | hi |
| 17:36.51 | project2501a | kajo: ketchup on spaggetti. |
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| 17:37.30 | kajo | project2501a: i prefer onions and chili + spaghetti :D |
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| 17:37.57 | dokma | sney: can I have codecs without dmm ? |
| 17:38.13 | project2501a | kajo: i was expecting you curse me out, but ok :D |
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| 17:38.26 | kajo | are segfaults and "general protection fault" a possible signal of faulty ram? if i have a faulty ram could these errors be related ? |
| 17:38.48 | sney | since the introduction of ffmpeg some yearsa go I have not had to fight with codecs at all, dokma |
| 17:39.24 | project2501a | kajo: yes. very. |
| 17:39.25 | dokma | sney: I just removed dmm from sources.list and now aptitude is reinstalling key video libs and utils |
| 17:39.31 | dokma | I had no clue this happened |
| 17:39.42 | kajo | project2501a: i've already tested: spaghetti + marmelade and then also : spaghetti + nutella :) not bad |
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| 17:40.17 | dokma | but still none of the players can open any video files |
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| 17:42.04 | kajo | project2501a: i've now switched from 8gb ram to the previous ram (4gb) to see if something changes. After ~ a day i have no crashes, no segfault, no general protection errors. Is it possible that i need to change some configuration on debian, to allow 8Gb ram? |
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| 17:42.59 | kajo | dokma: debian multimedia? it's broken :( it only create havok |
| 17:42.59 | kevlarman | kajo: you need to memtest both sticks |
| 17:43.21 | dokma | kajo: I just removed it but don't know if perhaps something from it is left behind |
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| 17:47.48 | kajo | dokma: before you remove dmm repo , you'll need to uninstall every single packed that you installed from debian multimedia repo. |
| 17:48.08 | kajo | dokma: or you'll mess very much all the packets. |
| 17:48.25 | dokma | kajo: any simple way to tell what came from dmm? |
| 17:49.36 | kajo | i used /var/log/apt/ files. look through the logs and find out what you installed via dmm. then remove those packages and then remove the dmm line from sources.list. then run "apt-get clean; apt-get update;apt-get upgrade" |
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| 17:50.54 | kajo | dokma: usually the stuff from dmm is : vlc, mplayer, mencoder, avidemux and all the codecs and library related to audio/video playing/editing |
| 17:51.10 | dokma | thanks... will do it right away |
| 17:51.15 | kajo | maybe it contains also something about dvd ripping .. |
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| 17:53.41 | th1 | kajo, dmm nearly destroyed my installation when I was upgrading from lenny via etch to squeeze :( |
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| 17:53.47 | th1 | best to steer clear of that |
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| 17:57.31 | kajo | dokma: since when are you using it? recently? or is it like 1 year? |
| 17:57.57 | dokma | kajo: using dmm ?? |
| 17:58.00 | dokma | like 2-3 years |
| 17:58.04 | kajo | dokma: if it's recently i think you could easily fix it |
| 17:58.07 | kajo | oh |
| 17:58.14 | dokma | this install is very old |
| 17:58.18 | dokma | since 2004 |
| 17:59.33 | kajo | dokma: anyway there has to be a way (via aptitude or apt-get or dpkg) to get a list of packages installed via dmm. you've to get that list and then you have to uninstall them (via apt-get remove) and then remove the repo , then apt-get update |
| 18:00.01 | kajo | dokma: can you post the dmm repo line of sources.list ? |
| 18:00.09 | dokma | I just removed ffmpeg and everything that depended on it |
| 18:00.13 | dokma | with aptitude purge |
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| 18:00.29 | babilen | !dmm list |
| 18:00.29 | dpkg | To list all packages you have installed from deb-multimedia.org: aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' -F'%100p'. Note: apt must know about the origin repository for this to work (i.e. you have a 'deb' line for it in sources.list and 'apt-get update' has been run). See also <which repo>. |
| 18:00.32 | babilen | kajo: ^^^^ |
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| 18:00.38 | dokma | now I'll use deborphan to clean the leftovers |
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| 18:00.56 | babilen | dokma: Well, that is probably rather of interest to you than kajo :) |
| 18:01.38 | dokma | babilen: darn, I already removed the line and did an update afterwards |
| 18:01.50 | babilen | dokma: Nothing prevents you from adding it again ;) |
| 18:01.57 | dokma | yup |
| 18:02.05 | dokma | I just don't know it by heart |
| 18:02.10 | dokma | and gotta go find it somewhere |
| 18:02.27 | dokma | ahhh... lucky me I just commented it out |
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| 18:03.14 | dokma | hmmm... it displays nothing |
| 18:03.20 | dokma | seems that my method already removed them all |
| 18:04.16 | kajo | babilen: how could i use that to find unofficial repos packages ? |
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| 18:05.08 | babilen | kajo: That will only list packages from dmm |
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| 18:05.32 | kbar | why am i getting en_US.UTF-8...Killed |
| 18:05.36 | kbar | when i run locale-gen ? |
| 18:06.20 | babilen | kbar: You probably want to run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" -- Otherwise: Explain in detail what you are (trying) to do, why you do it, what you've done exactly and paste your commands and errors to http://paste.debian.net |
| 18:06.23 | th1 | maybe you're out of memory |
| 18:06.35 | kbar | th1: that's most likely the reason |
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| 18:06.43 | kbar | i'm derping around with 32mb lol :/ |
| 18:06.52 | Diopter | lulz |
| 18:06.55 | kbar | is there another way to grab UTF-8 without "generating" locales? |
| 18:07.03 | kevlarman | kbar: generate it elsewhere |
| 18:07.12 | th1 | kbar, when the kernel runs out of memory it kills whatever process it thinks is hogging the most memory and is least critical |
| 18:07.27 | th1 | sounds like it picked the right choice |
| 18:07.28 | kbar | figures |
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| 18:07.46 | stew | kbar: install locales-all |
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| 18:08.05 | stew | "it can be useful on a low-memory machine because some locale files take a lot of memory to be compiled" |
| 18:08.06 | kbar | stew: i just need en_US.UTF-8 |
| 18:08.13 | kbar | is that a good idea? |
| 18:08.24 | kbar | i also only have 1.5G of disk |
| 18:08.29 | kajo | babilen: i know. i'd like to test it with my configuration. I have some unofficial repos in sources.list but i dont know the string. how can i change "origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages)" to match *all* unofficial repos ? |
| 18:08.29 | kbar | (available |
| 18:08.30 | kbar | ) |
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| 18:09.17 | kbar | man locales-all used up 200mB of disk? :( |
| 18:09.26 | babilen | kbar: No, you can't. There is AFAIK no search term that would match all of those. You can, naturally, just uncomment them and run the command given in "/msg dpkg not available" |
| 18:09.52 | kbar | you mean kajo :) |
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| 18:10.24 | babilen | kbar: You might come up with a search pattern that matches only official ones and negate that, but forgive me for not knowing that by heart. All that being said: using third-party repositories isn't a very intelligent thing to do ... |
| 18:10.28 | babilen | argh |
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| 18:10.31 | kbar | hahaha |
| 18:10.32 | babilen | s/kbar/kajo |
| 18:10.40 | kbar | %s/ |
| 18:10.46 | kbar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.49 | babilen | indeed |
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| 18:12.53 | kajo | dokma: http://mirror.optus.net/debian-multimedia/pool/ <---- here you can see the list of packages |
| 18:13.21 | dokma | kajo: great now I can grep that into dpkg -l |
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| 18:15.40 | FilipeMaia | I have a mdadm array using /dev/sd[a-n] but when I do mdadm --detail /dev/md0 the first line which should say /dev/sda in the end shows an empty space there. Also when I try to do fdisk /dev/sda I get read error. Does anyone know what could be the problem? |
| 18:16.14 | th1 | FilipeMaia, cat /proc/mdstat |
| 18:16.15 | FilipeMaia | Mdadm outout -> http://codepad.org/s9B17LjP |
| 18:16.43 | FilipeMaia | th1: http://codepad.org/h5Pz1Ih4 |
| 18:16.54 | FilipeMaia | th1: I'm trying to clear a mess with a failed RAID5 array |
| 18:17.43 | th1 | FilipeMaia, it's a bit weird to use the entire disk you should have created a partition on each disk and used that |
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| 18:17.48 | th1 | e.g. sda1, sdb1 sdc1 etc. |
| 18:17.57 | FilipeMaia | th1: yes a bit weird but should make no difference |
| 18:18.40 | nsadmin | th1, plus whole-disk doesn't work on some vers of grub |
| 18:18.42 | th1 | well I can't see what's wrong tbh |
| 18:18.53 | FilipeMaia | th1: /dev/sda exists but when I read from it I get nothing |
| 18:19.00 | th1 | cat /proc/partitions? |
| 18:19.24 | FilipeMaia | http://codepad.org/r6gSdH1X |
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| 18:19.48 | cedr | Has anyone tried 'cobbler' here? http://github.com/cobbler/cobbler |
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| 18:20.13 | FilipeMaia | What does /proc/partitions show? |
| 18:20.36 | FilipeMaia | Which partitions the kernel is aware of? |
| 18:20.51 | nsadmin | try cat /proc/partitions and see for yourself |
| 18:21.06 | FilipeMaia | Yes I see the output but I don't know for sure what it represents |
| 18:21.18 | FilipeMaia | I see that sda is there |
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| 18:21.32 | FilipeMaia | But I still don't get why I can't seem to read from it using cat /dev/sda |
| 18:21.42 | nsadmin | najor, minor, size, name |
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| 18:22.16 | FilipeMaia | is that taken only at boot time or is it continuously updated? |
| 18:22.36 | nsadmin | FilipeMaia, why do you want to read the block device as if it were a char device? |
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| 18:22.53 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: because fdisk /dev/sda is giving me read error and i want to understand why |
| 18:23.25 | nsadmin | who are you logged in as? |
| 18:23.30 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: and more worryingly mdadm --examine /dev/sda says No md superblock detected on /dev/sda. |
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| 18:24.18 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: root |
| 18:24.25 | nsadmin | well it is worrying, the drive could have failed |
| 18:24.36 | th1 | or something could have overwritten the superblock |
| 18:24.37 | th1 | like fdisk |
| 18:24.38 | nsadmin | try gparted |
| 18:24.49 | th1 | try this: |
| 18:24.59 | th1 | 1) dd if=/dev/sda of=test bs=512 2) file test |
| 18:25.01 | FilipeMaia | th1: i don't think it's overwritten otherwise i would still be able to read it with cat |
| 18:25.11 | FilipeMaia | th1: ok that should be the same a cat |
| 18:25.28 | nsadmin | of the first sector, yes |
| 18:25.41 | FilipeMaia | th1: 0 bytes (0 B) copied |
| 18:25.58 | FilipeMaia | th1: it completes but says 0 bytes copied |
| 18:26.10 | nsadmin | you need count=1 |
| 18:26.17 | FilipeMaia | th1: it's like /dev/sda was a 0 byte file |
| 18:26.24 | th1 | FilipeMaia, ls -l /dev/sda |
| 18:26.32 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: same thing with count=1 |
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| 18:26.46 | FilipeMaia | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 9, 127 2012-07-10 12:16 /dev/sda |
| 18:26.47 | nsadmin | no error messages? |
| 18:26.51 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: no |
| 18:26.59 | th1 | FilipeMaia, dmesg | tail |
| 18:27.13 | FilipeMaia | th1: oh lots of things there. Anything in particular you want me to look at? |
| 18:27.22 | th1 | anything with disks :) |
| 18:27.26 | th1 | or errors |
| 18:27.33 | nsadmin | or dmesg | nopaste |
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| 18:28.04 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: what's nopaste? |
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| 18:28.32 | nsadmin | it's like pastebinit except it doesnt paste to pastebin.com |
| 18:29.10 | peterrooney | !pastebin.com |
| 18:29.10 | dpkg | pastebin.com takes forever to load, makes us enter a captcha to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 18:29.37 | Calinou | +1 peterrooney :P |
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| 18:29.57 | FilipeMaia | ok |
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| 18:30.02 | sney | pastebinit in wheezy+ defaults to paste.debian.net instead of pastebin.com |
| 18:30.38 | FilipeMaia | I foudn something from some time ago |
| 18:30.38 | FilipeMaia | http://paste.debian.net/178502/ |
| 18:30.53 | FilipeMaia | which seems to say all is good |
| 18:31.38 | Volkswagner | Greetings, I have a farily minimal install of Deb6 with LXDE, I installed gnome-power-manager most to get a working battery indicator, but the usage does not update |
| 18:31.59 | Volkswagner | I have to reboot to get the battery meter to change % |
| 18:32.19 | Volkswagner | any Idea where I should start to diagnose? |
| 18:32.27 | FilipeMaia | And then the error on the raid array http://paste.debian.net//178504/ |
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| 18:32.47 | FilipeMaia | But notice that sda is always there |
| 18:33.21 | FilipeMaia | There's nothing strange about sda in the logs and /proc/mdstats still lists it |
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| 18:35.27 | FilipeMaia | Do you think there's a hope I can be able to read again from sda by recreating the /dev/sda file? |
| 18:36.01 | FilipeMaia | Another strange symptom is that running mount shows that /dev/sda1 is mounted on / when I'm pretty sure it's /dev/sdo1 that is mounted there |
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| 18:38.10 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: is gparted only graphical? |
| 18:38.27 | sney | gparted is only graphical. parted is not, and it's the same thing |
| 18:38.35 | nsadmin | yes but parted is not |
| 18:38.41 | FilipeMaia | ok |
| 18:38.54 | nsadmin | type help if you use it |
| 18:39.02 | FilipeMaia | I might have some problems to install it. Seems i'm still running 5.0.6 |
| 18:39.06 | Calinou | read: "don't use it" |
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| 18:39.33 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: but I think parted is unlikely to work |
| 18:39.38 | nsadmin | so far tho, we've found that a raw read of the first sector doesn't read the data |
| 18:39.42 | nsadmin | agreed |
| 18:39.48 | FilipeMaia | I think i'll try to recreate /dev/sda |
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| 18:40.08 | FilipeMaia | with MAKEDEV |
| 18:40.12 | nsadmin | when was the last time the drive worked? |
| 18:40.27 | FilipeMaia | it was working this morning as part of the RAID array that failed |
| 18:40.36 | sacredchao | Hi, I am trying to import pictures from my Canon 60D but gtkam is seggfaulting a lot and Digikam won't even work at all |
| 18:40.40 | sacredchao | [ 1605.514188] gtkam[5109]: segfault at 18 ip 00007ff0f7ad2628 sp 00007fff4233dd28 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.3301.0[7ff0f7a70000+f6000] |
| 18:40.47 | nsadmin | so maybe the disk does not have a partition table |
| 18:41.03 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: I'm sure it doesn't |
| 18:41.12 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: but that should be no problem |
| 18:41.19 | nsadmin | then using any partitioner is dangerous |
| 18:41.31 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: yes writing any partition table would be very bad |
| 18:41.45 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: but i just want to see it i can get to it |
| 18:42.21 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: while it was working this morning as part of the RAID, i don't know if doing something like cat /dev/sda was working this morning |
| 18:42.35 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: it might be that the disk is working fine but somehow the interface to it is screwed up somewhere |
| 18:42.59 | nsadmin | that's possible... |
| 18:43.26 | nsadmin | what are you booted into now? |
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| 18:43.54 | FilipeMaia | I tried MAKEDEV and got .udevdb or .udev presence implies active udev. Aborting MAKEDEV invocation. |
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| 18:44.12 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: what kernel? |
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| 18:44.32 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: or what's the root partition? |
| 18:44.40 | nsadmin | what did you boot to get where you are now |
| 18:44.53 | nsadmin | yes, I am curious about your root partition |
| 18:45.15 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: according to mount it's /dev/sda1 but I don't believe it and i'm almost 100% certain it's /dev/sdo1 |
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| 18:45.33 | nsadmin | sdo?? |
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| 18:45.57 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: yes there are 14 disks part of a data raid and the 15th disk carries the OS |
| 18:46.36 | nsadmin | maybe the 15th disk is the first one it saw |
| 18:47.05 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: I mean if I do fdisk /dev/sdo I see the Linux partition with the OS |
| 18:47.08 | nsadmin | and kept this situation in the udev db |
| 18:47.26 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: you might be in the right track |
| 18:47.48 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: /dev/sdo is not connected through a raid controller so it might very well be seen before |
| 18:48.06 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: it's directly attached to the motherboard through SATA |
| 18:48.46 | nsadmin | so you're booted into the os on sdo |
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| 18:48.53 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: yes |
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| 18:49.12 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: although df mount and so on seem to think it's sda |
| 18:49.16 | nsadmin | does /proc/partitions mention the stuff and correctly say sdo? |
| 18:49.25 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: yes /proc/partitions is correct |
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| 18:49.54 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: it also lists sda correctly |
| 18:49.58 | nsadmin | so then sdo is seen last as would be expected |
| 18:50.14 | nsadmin | if that's the case, how do you boot |
| 18:50.17 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: according to /proc/partitions yes sdo1 is there with the correct size |
| 18:50.24 | nsadmin | brb starting coffee |
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| 18:51.10 | FilipeMaia | I just pass root (hd0,0) in menu.lst to grub |
| 18:51.41 | nsadmin | oh, ok, take a look at /boot/grub/device.map |
| 18:52.05 | FilipeMaia | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.32 | FilipeMaia | device.map shows (hd0) as /dev/sda |
| 18:52.36 | nsadmin | let me summarize at least for myself... so you have an os you can boot, but your raid array is, what, not starting? |
| 18:52.38 | FilipeMaia | but only shows 8 HD total |
| 18:53.00 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: yes my RAID array (which is completely independent from the OS) is down |
| 18:53.14 | nsadmin | and it boots with that setup? |
| 18:53.26 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: yes, at least last time it did |
| 18:53.52 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: (last time was about 9 months ago, and I don't want to try it out as i'm literally on the other side of the world) |
| 18:54.00 | nsadmin | if so... then your situation is... part of your system thinks sdo is sda, other part thinks sdo is sdo |
| 18:54.07 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: yes |
| 18:54.16 | nsadmin | the former part is grub and/or bios |
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| 18:54.24 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: yes could well be |
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| 18:54.38 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: is there a way to get udev to recreate /dev/sda for me? |
| 18:54.48 | SumYunGai | hi how come i get this error after puting video card |
| 18:54.58 | SumYunGai | waiting for /dev to be populated |
| 18:55.10 | SumYunGai | in 3.2 kernil |
| 18:55.14 | nsadmin | this may be dangerous waters... but you can edit the udev rules |
| 18:55.19 | SumYunGai | but i can boot int o 2.6 kerni; |
| 18:55.57 | nsadmin | SumYunGai, so the 2.6 one does everything you want (at least so far)? |
| 18:56.04 | SumYunGai | yes |
| 18:56.40 | nsadmin | well I guess you're using the 2.6 now... you should continue to use it for awhile... won'tkill ya |
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| 18:58.08 | FilipeMaia | So how do I recreate a particular device with udev without rebooting? |
| 18:58.21 | Volkswagner | additional info to gnome-power-manager not updating batt status .. I don't have anything related to batt in /proc/acpi |
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| 18:59.08 | SumYunGai | nsadmin, but whyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 18:59.24 | X-Raimo | hello, is it still possibleto install Lenny somehow? |
| 18:59.36 | X-Raimo | *possible to |
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| 19:01.22 | X-Raimo | I found http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.10/amd64/iso-dvd/ there 5 DVD's. I wonder if all of them are needed? |
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| 19:01.39 | nsadmin | SumYunGai, that part I don't know... still won't kill ya :) |
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| 19:02.04 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: I run mknod by hand and sda is back |
| 19:02.07 | SumYunGai | ur not as good as they said u wud be |
| 19:02.11 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: and now I can read from it! |
| 19:02.13 | rizlah | Why do you want Lenny? |
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| 19:02.26 | nsadmin | SumYunGai, cmon now, you said it's working just fine :) |
| 19:02.27 | X-Raimo | rizlah: only reason is KDE3 |
| 19:02.35 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: mdadm --examine /dev/sda reports good things |
| 19:02.38 | nsadmin | that means you have the choice to use it for awhile |
| 19:02.55 | SumYunGai | i dun want to be noob |
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| 19:03.01 | nsadmin | FilipeMaia, wow... |
| 19:03.17 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: so something must be been screwed somewhere down there but i don't know what |
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| 19:03.22 | nsadmin | SumYunGai, noob isn't biggest kernel |
| 19:03.47 | X-Raimo | rizlah: I wish to install Lenny and freeze KDE3 packets during update to Squeeze |
| 19:03.49 | nsadmin | FilipeMaia, oh, right, maybe udev has the name wrong |
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| 19:04.01 | X-Raimo | rizlah: Is it possible& |
| 19:04.03 | X-Raimo | rizlah: Is it possible? |
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| 19:04.19 | nsadmin | so you will have to at least look at the rules |
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| 19:04.24 | rizlah | But why? |
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| 19:04.57 | X-Raimo | rizlah: Because they drop out KDE3 from Squezee |
| 19:05.02 | SumYunGai | i want new kernal |
| 19:05.28 | rizlah | But _why_ do you need KDE3, when squeeze includes 4? |
| 19:05.42 | rizlah | s there some compatibility issue or what? |
| 19:05.55 | nsadmin | SumYunGai, just relax, everything's working... and I can tell you a thousand different ways to become less noob (or, really, new) |
| 19:06.06 | X-Raimo | There's Trinity DE, but I had sad experience running it on Kubuntu |
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| 19:06.30 | X-Raimo | rizlah: I'm old fan of KDE3 |
| 19:06.52 | nsadmin | SumYunGai, the 3.2 needs stuff that apparantly aren't getting installed, and I'm not sure yet why that is |
| 19:08.13 | nsadmin | SumYunGai, your next step in getting that kernel is to find out what it needs and why those things aren't getting installed |
| 19:08.20 | Volkswagner | additional info to gnome-power-manager not updating batt status .. /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_now is not updated |
| 19:08.43 | Volkswagner | I see old bugs but no remedy https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=636176 |
| 19:09.12 | roboman2444 | anyone know when amd will finally support xorg 1.12? |
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| 19:10.51 | nsadmin | roboman2444, maybe it has to be the reverse |
| 19:11.37 | roboman2444 | well nvidia supports it |
| 19:11.47 | nsadmin | I suppose so |
| 19:12.13 | nsadmin | wonder why amd backed off the support |
| 19:12.14 | roboman2444 | in the mean time, what is a good way to downgrade xorg to 1.11? |
| 19:13.13 | roboman2444 | or some patch to get xorg 1.12 working |
| 19:13.19 | nsadmin | debian doesn't do downgrades decently |
| 19:13.36 | roboman2444 | yea |
| 19:13.49 | nsadmin | so you may have to be careful |
| 19:13.57 | nsadmin | you may also have to "foreport" it |
| 19:14.03 | roboman2444 | and with testing... "hurr durr lets put xorg 1.12 in there to break about 1/3 of the machines running it" |
| 19:14.23 | roboman2444 | i know its "testing"... but seriously |
| 19:14.28 | nsadmin | can't do much about that now |
| 19:14.34 | nsadmin | testing is frozen |
| 19:14.50 | roboman2444 | yea, now its frozen |
| 19:15.10 | dvs | nsadmin: there is an outside chance but not likely |
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| 19:15.42 | nsadmin | one thing you have to understand is there are thousands of dds... try to get a thousand people of any kind to do the same thing for one second... |
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| 19:16.30 | nsadmin | roboman2444, if you have enough unpartitioned space you could install stable |
| 19:16.36 | roboman2444 | im not fond of using snapshots, and compiling my own xorg is a bit eugh |
| 19:16.41 | roboman2444 | yea i might just do that |
| 19:16.42 | nsadmin | without touching your testing |
| 19:16.52 | roboman2444 | i mainly use that machine for gaming only |
| 19:17.02 | roboman2444 | so pretty much all is on there are games |
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| 19:17.23 | roboman2444 | but perhaps compiling an older xorg would be easier |
| 19:17.27 | nsadmin | so you mostly run what, linux or win? |
| 19:17.31 | roboman2444 | lin |
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| 19:17.47 | nsadmin | and yourun most games in wine? |
| 19:17.48 | roboman2444 | contrary to popular flame wars, wine actually works pretty well |
| 19:18.04 | roboman2444 | and ofcourse all the native linux games out there |
| 19:18.18 | nsadmin | ok, make sure the wine in stable does everything you want, if not, check backports |
| 19:18.24 | roboman2444 | it doesnt |
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| 19:18.30 | roboman2444 | i just use dev.carbonproject.org |
| 19:18.51 | nsadmin | does that have a set of wine bins? |
| 19:18.57 | roboman2444 | because compiling wine takes like half an hour |
| 19:19.05 | roboman2444 | it has pretty much everything for wine 1.55 |
| 19:19.13 | nsadmin | believe me that's nothing for some projects |
| 19:19.19 | roboman2444 | yea, lol |
| 19:19.33 | roboman2444 | much easier to just grab the debs from the site and dpkg -i them |
| 19:19.43 | roboman2444 | http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ |
| 19:19.49 | nsadmin | imagine a java web site with lots of servlets and everything's connected together etc |
| 19:19.59 | nsadmin | compile takes like a day |
| 19:20.01 | roboman2444 | ugh |
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| 19:20.27 | stew | some of the debian build servers take 2 full days to compile the libreoffice package |
| 19:20.27 | roboman2444 | seriously though... debian has to get some of its stuff together |
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| 19:20.38 | roboman2444 | they slap a known nono version of xorg in testing |
| 19:20.43 | nsadmin | "Oh SHIT, I forgot to fix the constructor in that one class..." |
| 19:20.46 | roboman2444 | but they are still running the stable wine in there |
| 19:20.47 | nsadmin | another day goes by |
| 19:20.55 | stew | roboman2444: is there a bug filed about xorg? |
| 19:21.00 | roboman2444 | there are a lot |
| 19:21.04 | roboman2444 | xorg 1.12 and amd |
| 19:21.05 | stew | roboman2444: which one are you talking about? |
| 19:21.20 | stew | roboman2444: what do you mean by "and amd"? |
| 19:21.31 | roboman2444 | catalyst dont work with 1.12 |
| 19:21.40 | stew | roboman2444: what is catalyst? |
| 19:21.46 | kevlarman | roboman2444: 12.6 does |
| 19:21.50 | Volkswagner | could my permissions be wrong for dir /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/??? not writeable?? here is output of ls command >>> http://pastebin.com/HiFe4fLg |
| 19:21.53 | nsadmin | I guess he's talking about the fglrx driver |
| 19:21.57 | roboman2444 | last time i ran it, it didnt |
| 19:22.17 | kevlarman | roboman2444: there's a bug in the 64 bit version where it crashes regardless of xorg |
| 19:22.23 | stew | roboman2444: catalyst is some driver not in debian? |
| 19:22.25 | roboman2444 | oh |
| 19:22.27 | roboman2444 | hm |
| 19:22.33 | kevlarman | roboman2444: fixed iirc but not 100% sure |
| 19:22.33 | roboman2444 | then i guess thats my problem now :P |
| 19:22.45 | kevlarman | roboman2444: also it only supports 5xxx and up |
| 19:22.51 | kevlarman | no r700 support |
| 19:22.58 | nsadmin | oh good :) you might get your problem solved :) stew, kevlarman, there's also SumYunGai who is having problems with 3.2 kernel |
| 19:23.00 | roboman2444 | stew, catalyst is amd's graphics card drivers |
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| 19:23.07 | roboman2444 | because nobody likes radeon |
| 19:23.16 | redcheckers | thought catalyst was a cisco thing. |
| 19:23.28 | stew | roboman2444: so because some third party non-free driver is buggy, debian needs to get its shit together? |
| 19:23.48 | roboman2444 | no, because they put a newer version of xorg that broke a lot of stuff |
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| 19:23.57 | roboman2444 | yet they dont put a newer version of wine |
| 19:24.50 | FilipeMaia | Is there a way to prevent mdadm from kicking out a drive with a read error? |
| 19:25.15 | FilipeMaia | and instead give directly a read error to the user |
| 19:25.52 | FilipeMaia | I'm in damage control mode here |
| 19:26.03 | jhutchins_lt | FilipeMaia: raid is supposed to be invisible to the user, but it would be useful to be able to flag a raid error to the admin. |
| 19:26.25 | jhutchins_lt | Doesn't it notify the admin when it drops a drive/ |
| 19:26.26 | jhutchins_lt | ? |
| 19:26.46 | FilipeMaia | I have a failed RAID5 that I put back by clearing the faulty flag on a failed disk. I know for sure the drive will drop again as soon as I try to copy all data out of the array. |
| 19:26.49 | jhutchins_lt | If not, is there a monitor process that would tell you "degraded array"? |
| 19:27.12 | FilipeMaia | I just want to copy as much data as I can and ignore those read errors |
| 19:27.35 | jhutchins_lt | FilipeMaia: I have the same problem with a physical drive, need to read past the error. |
| 19:27.37 | FilipeMaia | Otherwise I have to keep on clearing the faulty flag and reassemble the array |
| 19:28.08 | jhutchins_lt | FilipeMaia: Why does the array need to be intact anyway? That's the whole point of raid, it still works. |
| 19:28.26 | FilipeMaia | jhutchins_lt: i lost 2 drives |
| 19:28.27 | Volkswagner | also plugging in power adapter does not have any impact. The only system activity I can tell happening when pluging/unplugging A/C adapter is power-save state changes according to pm-powersave.log |
| 19:28.52 | FilipeMaia | jhutchins_lt: dd_rescue |
| 19:29.15 | jhutchins_lt | Problem is I don't know where the error is because the screen's all full of error messages. |
| 19:29.55 | FilipeMaia | jhutchins_lt: just copy the whole file with ddrescue |
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| 19:31.43 | Volkswagner | Anyone here running on a laptop that can check /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0 permissions against mine >> http://pastebin.com/HiFe4fLg ?? |
| 19:32.04 | jhutchins_lt | FilipeMaia: We're talking ~300G of data. I don't know what the file is, the error only happens when I try to copy the whole / partition (not live). |
| 19:32.15 | torpid | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.20 | nsadmin | Volkswagner, it's a link |
| 19:32.21 | FilipeMaia | jhutchins_lt: just use ddrescue. 300GB is not so much |
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| 19:32.39 | nsadmin | the perms on that link are 777 |
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| 19:32.53 | jhutchins_lt | FilipeMaia: I'll look at it. |
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| 19:35.37 | Volkswagner | nsadmin, yes it is of a directory so I did not want to spam the channel most all files are "-r--r--r--" |
| 19:35.42 | surfdue | I installed a fresh copy of debian, formatted and re-partitioned but aparently the old Grub 1 from centos is still there. Well its causing grub rescue stating no device, its trying to boot into centos which isnt there anymore. Any ideas how to fix this? I am curerntly downloading the live cd so I can install grub2. |
| 19:35.54 | surfdue | Any ideas to do this faster? Perhaps a install disk that just has grub2? |
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| 19:36.18 | Volkswagner | surfdue you can reinstall grub using CD in rescue mode |
| 19:36.30 | surfdue | the install cd? |
| 19:36.35 | dvs | yep |
| 19:36.40 | nsadmin | hmm, is the grub1 on the mbr? or the partition? |
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| 19:36.59 | surfdue | the mbr and its configured using an old menu.lst file |
| 19:37.25 | nsadmin | surfdue, maybe you put the new grub on the partition? |
| 19:37.50 | nsadmin | or rather on a partition rather than the mbr? |
| 19:38.16 | nsadmin | (which can explain why grub2 install didn't overwrite the old grub1) |
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| 19:38.42 | surfdue | im not sure how to do it, im not very good at boot stuff |
| 19:39.06 | Volkswagner | surdue how many disks are installed? |
| 19:39.18 | surfdue | i believe one |
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| 19:40.53 | Volkswagner | surfdue, boot the install cd and follow the prompts for rescue/fix broken system. Install grub is one of the choices |
| 19:41.05 | jhutchins_lt | I think the problem is with long disk operations on this disk. I don't think it's bad sectors, but when an operation is long enough or the string of ops is long enough something on the control board is failing. |
| 19:41.06 | surfdue | Volkswagner: ok thank you |
| 19:41.08 | Cyclohexane | What mail server do people recommend? I need to setup a number of email accounts for say 3 or so domains... Needs to deal with sending and receiving and I'll import them into a client |
| 19:41.30 | Volkswagner | Then choose (hd0) as the target making sure you only have one disk installed!!! |
| 19:41.32 | surfdue | Cyclohexane: i use postmark but i dont think its what your looking for. |
| 19:41.57 | jhutchins_lt | Cyclohexane: exim is the default, some people prefer postfix or sendmail. |
| 19:42.06 | surfdue | Volkswagner: grub rescue ls shows (hd0), (hd0,ms-dos) |
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| 19:42.43 | jhutchins_lt | Cyclohexane: I started with sendmail, which is pretty good, but I went to postfix because postgrey was a plug-in graylisting module. |
| 19:42.53 | GeorgeJetson | hello, I asked this question 6 hours ago and still have not received any feedback - http://superuser.com/questions/447065/how-do-i-fix-the-error-socket-gaierror-errno-2-name-or-service-not-known-on ... any help is appreciated |
| 19:43.03 | Volkswagner | (hd0) will write to MBR so This is the choice you want |
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| 19:43.50 | txomon | hi, I have a problem with debian netboot installer. |
| 19:44.03 | surfdue | Volkswagner: ok ill try it in a bit when its done |
| 19:44.05 | txomon | I am in priority=low installer |
| 19:44.33 | txomon | and when it says download installer's files, it tell me something is wrong |
| 19:44.39 | txomon | and I don't understand the meaning |
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| 19:45.09 | jhutchins_lt | GeorgeJetson: Sorry, don't see a question there, just a confirmation of a bugreport. |
| 19:45.09 | txomon | Something like "no core modules where found" |
| 19:45.14 | dvs | txomon: neither do we when you describe it as "something" |
| 19:45.35 | txomon | it is in spanish |
| 19:45.43 | txomon | that is why I am telling you sth like |
| 19:45.50 | jhutchins_lt | !localized errors |
| 19:45.51 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install |
| 19:45.56 | Volkswagner | nsadmin, are you on a laptop? Did my permissions make sense? -r--r--r-- |
| 19:46.03 | txomon | oki |
| 19:46.08 | GeorgeJetson | jhutchins: the bug report stated that it had been fixed in the version of eglibc that I have |
| 19:46.36 | txomon | no kernel modules where found |
| 19:46.53 | jhutchins_lt | GeorgeJetson: So contact the person who reported that, and/or update the bugreport. That's what testing is for. |
| 19:47.06 | GeorgeJetson | oh |
| 19:47.15 | txomon | This is due to a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version available in the archive |
| 19:47.28 | stew | GeorgeJetson: what version of eglibc do you have? |
| 19:47.40 | stew | GeorgeJetson: and how did you determine the eglibc version? |
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| 19:48.06 | GeorgeJetson | stew: 2.13-33 via apt-cache show eglibc-source |
| 19:48.33 | stew | GeorgeJetson: that the version of eglibc-source, not eglibc |
| 19:48.39 | GeorgeJetson | hmm |
| 19:48.41 | stew | GeorgeJetson: what version of libc6 is installed? |
| 19:48.50 | txomon | I have available irssi, lynx and the installer... |
| 19:48.59 | GeorgeJetson | but I dont think I get a response for apt-cache show eglib |
| 19:49.08 | stew | GeorgeJetson: its libc6 |
| 19:49.26 | nsadmin | Volkswagner, I am, I have the link of the name you mean |
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| 19:49.46 | txomon | so any idea? |
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| 19:50.33 | Volkswagner | nsadmin, try ls -alt /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/ |
| 19:50.43 | stew | GeorgeJetson: eglibc is the name of the source pacakge, eglibc-source is the name of the binary package you'd use to build another version of the runtime. libc6 is the binary pacakge which you have installed which actually contains the shared libraries from the eglibc source pacakge |
| 19:50.43 | nsadmin | Volkswagner, it's a dir |
| 19:50.54 | nsadmin | you want the perms on the dir? |
| 19:51.14 | stew | GeorgeJetson: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 19:51.36 | nsadmin | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 0 Jul 10 10:41 /sys/class/power_supply/../../devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0C0A:00/power_supply/BAT0 |
| 19:51.46 | Volkswagner | I'm interested in the individual files such as charge_now and current_now |
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| 19:52.28 | Volkswagner | nsadmin mine are all -r--r--r-- 1 root root |
| 19:52.46 | nsadmin | they're all 444 except uevent which is 644 |
| 19:52.47 | GeorgeJetson | stew Debian wheezy/sid |
| 19:52.59 | nsadmin | and all root:root |
| 19:53.04 | stew | GeorgeJetson: what version of libc6 is installed? |
| 19:53.15 | GeorgeJetson | ok stew I'm checking |
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| 19:53.36 | dvs | txomon: Are you using a testing or sid installer? |
| 19:53.41 | nsadmin | Volkswagner, so... yeah, it see3ms reasonable |
| 19:54.22 | Volkswagner | nsadmin, thanks for checking that what I have... I just don't know why bat status does not get updated :( |
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| 19:54.41 | txomon | dvs: I am using the one in /devel/ |
| 19:54.47 | Volkswagner | does not seem to be a permission issue though |
| 19:54.57 | txomon | dvs: but is the one linked when I search for wheezy |
| 19:55.04 | txomon | netboot installers |
| 19:55.04 | nsadmin | Volkswagner, well in my case I stay on power supply all the time |
| 19:55.11 | GeorgeJetson | stew: glibc-2.13-1 |
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| 19:55.25 | GeorgeJetson | stew - debian wheezy/sid |
| 19:55.30 | dvs | txomon: Yup, that's why. Those images change all the time. The recommended way so it install 6.0 then upgrade from there. |
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| 19:55.39 | nsadmin | , v glibc |
| 19:55.40 | judd | No package named 'glibc' was found in i386. |
| 19:55.52 | nsadmin | , v libc6 |
| 19:55.53 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.3-3; squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-33; sid: 2.13-34 |
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| 19:56.15 | GeorgeJetson | I just did apt-get update; apt-get upgrade so I think I have the latest |
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| 19:56.31 | txomon | dvs: but, the image... how is people supposed to install wheezy from netboot? |
| 19:56.32 | nsadmin | ok, which libc now? |
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| 19:56.51 | GeorgeJetson | nsadmin: you talking to me? |
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| 19:56.51 | dvs | txomon: Install squeeze from netboot then upgrade? |
| 19:56.57 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 19:57.01 | GeorgeJetson | nsadmin: you mean libc not glibc? |
| 19:57.10 | GeorgeJetson | and do you mean libc6 or really libc? |
| 19:57.16 | nsadmin | well libc6 should be what you have |
| 19:57.22 | nsadmin | packagename wise |
| 19:57.27 | txomon | ah... hope that goes the right way. Thank you |
| 19:57.34 | dvs | no prob |
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| 19:58.44 | nsadmin | GeorgeJetson, debian decided to part company with glibc, going with a fork of it instead |
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| 19:59.13 | txomon | so bb! I am rebooting, and hope this way goes all ok |
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| 20:00.36 | GeorgeJetson | nsadmin: here is the output of apt-cache show libc6 - glibc-2.13-1 |
| 20:01.00 | stew | GeorgeJetson: are you sure? |
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| 20:02.10 | GeorgeJetson | i mean here it is - http://paste.kde.org//515576 |
| 20:02.10 | th1 | hi, I'm upgrading a machine from squeeze to wheezy (not the same as earlier :) and apt-get dist-upgrade died with lotsof these errors: dpkg-divert: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 46669 package 'task-c-dev': |
| 20:02.18 | nsadmin | well apt-cache show will give you shitload of stuff |
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| 20:03.27 | stew | GeorgeJetson: how did you determine what version of libc6 was installed? |
| 20:03.49 | th1 | heh the main part of the error message above is in the next line: "missing architecture" |
| 20:04.37 | nsadmin | GeorgeJetson, thanks... you're in good hands w/ stew |
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| 20:06.19 | nsadmin | stew, GeorgeJetson also, corrected a mistype in the url... s.//./. |
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| 20:06.46 | stew | I assume that its not containing helpful information anyway |
| 20:06.52 | GeorgeJetson | stew - the paste transcript shows that I typed apt-cache show libc6 |
| 20:07.20 | GeorgeJetson | nsadmin: tanks for the url correction... my vmware is not pasting from x11 to windows 7 |
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| 20:07.51 | nsadmin | stew, actually it does, Package: libc6; Source: eglibc; Version: 2.13-33 |
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| 20:08.09 | nsadmin | so that's clearly wheezy |
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| 20:09.03 | nsadmin | GeorgeJetson, kept saying "connection refused" |
| 20:09.25 | GeorgeJetson | nsadmin: what did? paste.kde.org? |
| 20:09.32 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 20:09.44 | GeorgeJetson | hmm |
| 20:09.45 | nsadmin | when the // was there |
| 20:09.47 | GeorgeJetson | it worked here |
| 20:09.53 | GeorgeJetson | oh makes sense |
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| 20:11.42 | nsadmin | and I see where you got the glibc-2.13-1, in the provides: field |
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| 20:12.35 | nsadmin | are you doing a scheme course? |
| 20:12.49 | GeorgeJetson | nsadmin: no... I just used to be into Scheme |
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| 20:13.12 | nsadmin | GeorgeJetson, have you seen the MIT videos? |
| 20:13.22 | GeorgeJetson | nsadmin: never saw the videos. loved the book :) |
| 20:14.01 | nsadmin | the book authors star in the videos, they were done in 1985 |
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| 20:15.28 | nsadmin | there's a function differentiator in there, and a scheme interp... I typed em in and made them work |
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| 20:18.58 | SmashingX | hey guys do you know when the debian 7 is going to be released? |
| 20:19.10 | dvs | !wwwr |
| 20:19.10 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. Wheezy was frozen on June 30th, 2012 -- ask me about <freeze>. |
| 20:19.39 | SmashingX | freeze? |
| 20:19.59 | dvs | !freeze |
| 20:19.59 | roboman2444 | ugh |
| 20:19.59 | dpkg | The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to make the new 'stable'. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Also ask me about <slushy>. |
| 20:19.59 | SmashingX | what do you want me to help? |
| 20:20.00 | stew | SmashingX: we can't know because we can't predict when people will discover and upload fixes for the hundreds of known release critical bugs |
| 20:20.09 | roboman2444 | still get xorg crash with catalyst |
| 20:20.40 | roboman2444 | anyone want my backtrace? |
| 20:20.46 | SmashingX | !slushy |
| 20:20.46 | dpkg | When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>. |
| 20:20.59 | SmashingX | !help debian |
| 20:21.13 | SmashingX | !help apt |
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| 20:21.32 | SmashingX | how do you want me to help! |
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| 20:21.57 | sney | SmashingX: use wheezy, find bugs, report them |
| 20:22.09 | roboman2444 | http://pastebin.com/8uvPbx5v |
| 20:22.41 | SmashingX | Im using linux mint debian edition using wheezy does that count as well? |
| 20:23.07 | sney | no |
| 20:23.10 | sney | mint is not debian |
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| 20:23.36 | SmashingX | in the websit it says it's compatible with debian |
| 20:23.55 | sney | that's great, but it's still a derivative, it's not the same thing |
| 20:24.06 | dvs | Someone should really get on them for their website |
| 20:24.14 | GeorgeJetson | so, gentlemen, I have the bug in the version of eglibc6 that they say it should not be in, correct - http://superuser.com/questions/447065/how-do-i-fix-the-error-socket-gaierror-errno-2-name-or-service-not-known-on |
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| 20:24.18 | sney | if you want to help with the wheezy release, you have to use debian wheezy from debian.org. Full stop. |
| 20:24.49 | stew | nah, you can still discover and post possible patches to bugs from some derivative |
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| 20:25.11 | stew | one should just be clear about the fact the one is using a derivative though |
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| 20:25.18 | stew | GeorgeJetson: what is the bug# you are talking about? |
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| 20:25.39 | SmashingX | looks like somebody is not in the mood today :P |
| 20:25.45 | GeorgeJetson | stew: Bug#632917 |
| 20:25.54 | GeorgeJetson | according to the email msg - http://lists.debian.org/debian-glibc/2011/07/msg00228.html |
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| 20:28.43 | stew | GeorgeJetson: yeah, looks like you should reopen it |
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| 20:30.00 | stew | GeorgeJetson: but 535504 is the one you want |
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| 20:33.17 | GeorgeJetson | ok thanks stew |
| 20:33.29 | cedr | Is anyone else seeing issues with apt and security.debian.org? |
| 20:34.18 | stew | cedr: ask a better question |
| 20:34.18 | jhutchins_lt | cedr: What issues, for which release? |
| 20:34.34 | cedr | yeah my bad |
| 20:34.38 | cedr | I'm seeing a DNS error on my end |
| 20:34.49 | peterrooney | cedr: it's just you. |
| 20:34.57 | cedr | hm |
| 20:35.00 | gnarface | i get 149.20.20.6 |
| 20:35.04 | cedr | thanks |
| 20:35.14 | cedr | someone is def. off today |
| 20:35.21 | cedr | blames the power issues |
| 20:35.56 | gnarface | has also been having power issues |
| 20:37.47 | tharkun | cedr: dns round robin |
| 20:37.48 | roboman2444 | ok... how do i go from stable to testing, but i want to keep stable's xorg? |
| 20:38.04 | tharkun | roboman2444: you don't, |
| 20:39.17 | twobitsprite | um, what do you do with kill -9 doesn't work? |
| 20:39.54 | tharkun | pull the plug |
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| 20:40.16 | jhutchins_lt | I had xfsrestore hang so hard I couldn't reboot, had to power off. |
| 20:40.40 | phuzion | Anyone know how I can figure out what file perl is accessing when all I know is what I've seen in htop and that it's being run by www-data? |
| 20:40.41 | twobitsprite | ugh |
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| 20:40.53 | stew | roboman2444: you'd have to pin a bunch of packages to stable so that nothing X related gets upgraded |
| 20:41.06 | tharkun | !tell phuzion about fuse |
| 20:41.23 | twobitsprite | ahh, whew... the process finally just died... |
| 20:41.26 | twobitsprite | stupid wget |
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| 20:41.38 | stew | roboman2444: you might find that it has undesired consequences like perhaps somehting like gnome could not be used. no idea, you would be pioneering off onto your own to places where there is no support |
| 20:41.48 | roboman2444 | heh, i hate gnome anyway |
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| 20:42.05 | stew | roboman2444: i was just using gnome as a random example, nobody knows what might break |
| 20:42.07 | roboman2444 | so, just use apt-pinning for xserver* and xorg* and x11* ? |
| 20:42.12 | tharkun | phuzion: disregard that totaly mixed stuff |
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| 20:42.24 | stew | phuzion: try "lsof -p $pid" |
| 20:42.31 | roboman2444 | or howabout just keep xorg right up to the snapshot before 1.12? |
| 20:42.34 | phuzion | stew: alright, sce. |
| 20:42.35 | phuzion | sec* |
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| 20:43.35 | Jerub | what's the name of the tool I use to maintain alternatives correctly? |
| 20:43.42 | stew | Jerub: update-alternatives |
| 20:43.44 | tharkun | update-alternatives |
| 20:43.50 | Jerub | thanks |
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| 20:44.10 | phuzion | stew: any idea what this is: http://pastie.org/4233676 |
| 20:44.59 | stew | phuzion: run lsof as root or as www-data |
| 20:45.17 | stew | phuzion: this is lsof telling you that you can't spy on this other user's process |
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| 20:45.27 | phuzion | stew: ah, gotcha. thanks. |
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| 20:45.47 | Thomasie22 | i've got a problem installing XBMC on my machine |
| 20:45.52 | Thomasie22 | can someone help me maybe? |
| 20:46.05 | tharkun | Thomasie22: state your facts, someone will pop up |
| 20:46.21 | Thomasie22 | ok i will do that |
| 20:46.22 | Thomasie22 | thx |
| 20:49.26 | phuzion | stew: how about this: http://pastie.org/4233697 there were a LOT more sockets there though, I had to cut them down to fit the 64KB limit on pastie. |
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| 20:50.13 | dvs | 64K limit? that's low |
| 20:50.30 | phuzion | Yeah, I know |
| 20:51.46 | tharkun | phuzion: What are we chasing? Why are you running behind a process runned by www-data? Any problems with an http server? |
| 20:51.47 | GeorgeJetson | stew: how do I reopen this bug - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=535504 |
| 20:52.05 | phuzion | tharkun: Excessive load that popped up recently. |
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| 20:52.50 | Thomasie22 | I'm running openmediavault (a debian based nas solution) on my NAS. But now I also want to use as a media player with XBMC, but whenn I try to install it says this http://pastie.org/4233708. Maybe someone knows how to solve it. |
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| 20:52.55 | absconditus | I am having some kind of bizarre path issue: http://pastie.org/4233715 |
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| 20:56.41 | tharkun | phuzion: check whatever you cgi or web app is doing and analyze logs. Trying to "fix" the behaviour of the app externally is not precisely a good strategy |
| 20:57.05 | tharkun | !tell Thomasie22 debian based |
| 20:57.07 | phuzion | tharkun: that's the thing, it's a webserver with LOTS of users on it. We don't know whose account is causing the load. |
| 20:57.09 | tharkun | !tell Thomasie22 about debian based |
| 20:57.28 | phuzion | Because chances are, we'll just close that person's account because of the load. |
| 20:57.31 | tharkun | phuzion: Your webapp should log that |
| 20:57.32 | Thomasie22 | it's just debian |
| 20:57.42 | Thomasie22 | with some packages |
| 20:58.23 | phuzion | tharkun: Should log what? |
| 20:58.42 | tharkun | Thomasie22: < Thomasie22> I'm running openmediavault (a debian based nas solution) "The devil is in the details" I do not know the tweaks they made to make it fit there, Also XBMC is not on the oficial mirrors IIRC |
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| 20:59.01 | tharkun | phuzion: who is loging in and what they are doing |
| 20:59.01 | PaulePanter | tharkun: Yes it is since some months. |
| 20:59.25 | PaulePanter | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=xbmc |
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| 21:00.21 | phuzion | tharkun: Lots of people. Lots of things. Isn't there a way to trace a process to a file? |
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| 21:01.10 | tharkun | PaulePanter: not on stable, only on testing and sid, /msg dpkg pieces |
| 21:01.49 | tharkun | phuzion: you are running one app that has a multitude of threads. ps -ely should tell you what is the parent process of perl script you are having problems. |
| 21:02.17 | tharkun | phuzion: the bofh solution would be to kill the precise thread giving you the problems and see if it is persistent. |
| 21:02.35 | PaulePanter | Thomasie22: Your paste does not look familiar to me. The XBMC packages you want to install are from deb-multimedia.org and not supported by Debian. |
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| 21:02.58 | tharkun | Take a look at who is loging back everytime you kill the thread and bingo, you've caught your prick |
| 21:03.01 | PaulePanter | Thomasie22: If you can, disable deb-multimedia.org. |
| 21:03.23 | Thomasie22 | PaulePanter the xbmc website says a had to add these reps |
| 21:03.44 | PaulePanter | Thomasie22: What flavor does openmediavault use? If it uses testing then use the XBMC packages from there. |
| 21:03.59 | PaulePanter | Thomasie22: What web page? Always post an URL. |
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| 21:04.18 | PaulePanter | Thomasie22: Anyway, find out if you can use testing. |
| 21:04.23 | Thomasie22 | PaulePanter: how to see what flavor it uses? wat do you mean with URL? |
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| 21:04.40 | PaulePanter | Thomasie22: URL to instructions you followed. |
| 21:05.04 | tharkun | !URL |
| 21:05.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, url is the Uniform Resource Locator, also mistakenly called Universal Resource Locator. This is used to give Web addresses for HTML, VRML, WAV and other files. It simply contains the Internet name of the machine containing the data and the path to the file. Much like the UNC, except specifically for the Internet. The address also includes the protocol to be used. or the name of the original infobot on EFnet, or ... |
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| 21:05.11 | PaulePanter | Thomasie22: /etc/debian_version |
| 21:05.47 | PaulePanter | Thomasie22: /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:06.12 | Thomasie22 | PaulePanter: this is the URL: http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=HOW-TO:Install_XBMC_for_Linux#Debian, and it just says 6.0.5 at /etc/debian_version |
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| 21:07.36 | PaulePanter | Thomasie22: That is Debian Squeeze which is currently stable. |
| 21:08.14 | PaulePanter | Thomasie22: What package manager do you use by the way? |
| 21:08.31 | Thomasie22 | PaulePanter: this is my error when i just install the .deb http://pastie.org/4233787 |
| 21:08.47 | stew | Thomasie22: so you are having problems with a third-party, non-debian repository which you added which was for a different release than the one your non-debian distro was based on |
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| 21:09.48 | Thomasie22 | PaulePanter: What do you mean with package manager? I don't really know the terms but do you mean things like synaptics? because i just use the command line |
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| 21:10.28 | PaulePanter | Thomasie22: What command did you enter? |
| 21:11.41 | Thomasie22 | PaulePanter: dpkg -i xbmc-bin_11.0~git20120510.82388d5-1+b1_amd64.deb |
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| 21:12.00 | PaulePanter | Thomasie22: So where is that documented? |
| 21:12.29 | PaulePanter | Thomasie22: Anyway that is wrong. Follow the instructions on deb-multimedia.org if you want to use Christian’s packages! |
| 21:12.38 | PaulePanter | Thomasie22: Sorry, you are on your own now. |
| 21:12.47 | Thomasie22 | PaulePanter: is what documented? |
| 21:13.05 | PaulePanter | Thomasie22: The dpkg command you entered. |
| 21:13.17 | HeartClap | BAAAAAAAAAARRRRR NONE!!!!! |
| 21:13.32 | PaulePanter | HeartClap: ? |
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| 21:21.06 | nsadmin | Thomasie22, it's pretty easy, yes you can download the .deb files and install them with dpkg -i, and you don't have to do that... once you set it up, one command downloads and installs one or more package |
| 21:21.10 | nsadmin | s |
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| 21:22.49 | mooglenorph | Hi, I just got a small computer to be a media and backup server, and I put squeeze on it. My only other computer (a laptop) also has squeeze. What is the best way to mount directories from the server on my laptop? I'm not sure if I should use samba or nfs. |
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| 21:24.28 | nsadmin | mooglenorph, do you really need to mount? |
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| 21:25.33 | nsadmin | nfs is a bit primitive, but does the job... the server and the client need to be very careful about staying connected while shares are mounted |
| 21:26.32 | mooglenorph | Hm. |
| 21:26.33 | netcrash | alternatives to nfs? CIFS ? |
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| 21:26.57 | nsadmin | samba is more for windows and has certain behaviors that help the windows side which you may or may not need |
| 21:27.02 | mooglenorph | I don't need to mount, I suppose, I just want the directory to be available for filesystem operations from my laptop. |
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| 21:27.17 | mooglenorph | That might be identical to mounting. |
| 21:27.49 | Some_Person | I hate how the debian install discs lack a live environment (other than the highly limited installer environment thing) |
| 21:27.53 | txomon|home | how may I upgrade from squeeze to wheezy? |
| 21:28.08 | mooglenorph | I suppose I could stick a hook in my hibernate script that unmounts the shared drive? |
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| 21:28.27 | stew | txomon|home: do something similar to lenny->squeeze (see chapter 4 of the release notes) |
| 21:28.51 | stew | Some_Person: don't they have a rescue option now? |
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| 21:29.00 | gnarface | mooglenorph: i think something userspace would be more robust if you can handle less throughput |
| 21:29.06 | gnarface | mooglenorph: sshfs comes to mind |
| 21:29.34 | Some_Person | stew: That rescue option uses the shell on your existing install, or a highly limited busybox on the disc |
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| 21:29.55 | stew | Some_Person: you know, of course, that there is debian-live as well |
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| 21:29.58 | ascii_ | hello |
| 21:30.32 | mooglenorph | gnarface: hm, that is a good idea. I'll give that a shot, I didn't think of using sshfs. |
| 21:30.34 | Some_Person | stew: I'm trying to figure out how I might be able to use clonezilla on my KVM VPS. I can only boot to the few ISOs they have |
| 21:30.46 | ascii_ | I have a production server running debian 6, can I or should I attempt to install openvz ? |
| 21:31.05 | gnarface | mooglenorph: it will be slow and it will chew up batteries so its a bad choice if you're using this for large file transfers |
| 21:31.29 | mooglenorph | Hmm, I would be. I'll be using the connection for backups and for playing media, mostly. |
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| 21:31.50 | nsadmin | ascii_, conventional wisdom says: "NO, NEVER change production until you've tested on development and staging" |
| 21:32.00 | gnarface | mooglenorph: well nfs is pretty much the fastest but nfs is ... fragile and somewhat dangerous, so there's the ends of the spectrum |
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| 21:32.28 | ascii_ | nsadmin: I am trying to figure out if someone has done it and can reassure me it's somewhat smooth |
| 21:32.42 | ascii_ | nsadmin: I am aware of the possible complications |
| 21:32.51 | nsadmin | ascii_, make a copy of your production server, test it there first |
| 21:33.00 | nsadmin | ok, good enuf |
| 21:33.07 | gnarface | mooglenorph: *I* do backups over ssh but none of those backups are more than a couple gigabytes in size and the machines in question are servers so power usage is relatively a non-issue |
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| 21:34.14 | aidalgol | How can I find out which port local processes are listening on? |
| 21:34.14 | nsadmin | obviously, it's your machine... (or is it? work server?) |
| 21:34.24 | ascii_ | nsadmin, this is kind of a noob question but since I only have remote access to the server how to you suggest I back it up as an ISO image for example |
| 21:34.40 | peterrooney | Some_Person: you'd be better off asking the clonezilla people about clonezilla. |
| 21:34.51 | mooglenorph | gnarface: Hmm, probably my backups are fine running over ssh. I think I'll mount nfs when I want to play a movie off the server. It should be safe for, basically, read-only access? |
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| 21:35.12 | aidalgol | I'm trying to find out which port anon-proxy is listening on (as I can't find any config file.) |
| 21:35.23 | Some_Person | peterrooney: Well, I doubt it can run off the drive it's trying to replace, so it would seem I need some way to run it off one of the few ISOs I can boot |
| 21:35.37 | gnarface | mooglenorph: well where nfs becomes problematic is if you forget to unmount before you shut down the other end of the connection.. |
| 21:35.43 | nsadmin | ascii_, I think it's a great question |
| 21:35.57 | aidalgol | It appears to be 4001 in /etc/init.d/anon-proxy, but when I try to use that (from Iceweasel), it doesn't work. |
| 21:36.12 | gnarface | mooglenorph: the machine more or less behaves as though you ripped out an IDE cable... |
| 21:36.23 | mooglenorph | gnarface: Hah! Wow. That's pretty excellent. |
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| 21:37.21 | nsadmin | ascii_, I know you have dozens of choices, I don't know the best ones for your situation. I will say it's essential to decide and design how you will back up |
| 21:37.23 | mooglenorph | gnarface: Well, I'll performance test the options... and be careful with nfs if I end up having to use it. |
| 21:37.26 | mooglenorph | gnarface: thanks |
| 21:37.30 | gnarface | mooglenorph: no problem |
| 21:37.33 | proby | hello , i had messed up a little with bashrc and changed the prompt and it looks good , but when pasting to gnome terminal the prompt text is getting wiped by the pasted one , how to fix that please? |
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| 21:38.19 | nsadmin | ascii_, start thinking about backup now (the question shows you're doing that); move to getting it working as quickly as you can |
| 21:38.41 | ascii_ | nsadmin: I would rather have minimal downtime. I think my main question is: will the openvz kernel work well on Debian squeeze |
| 21:39.14 | nsadmin | minimal downtime rather than what (specifically)? |
| 21:39.55 | nsadmin | I don't know the answer about openvz kernel; others here are likely to |
| 21:39.56 | ascii_ | I can create an image using a rescue boot CD for example but then incoming e-mails would bounce back, this is a server that get around 300,000 visits per week |
| 21:40.31 | whysoserious | Aidalgol: lsof command |
| 21:40.32 | ascii_ | it may not seem like that much but many customers rely on it |
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| 21:40.58 | nsadmin | ok, are you using a database? |
| 21:41.05 | aidalgol | whysoserious: Thanks! |
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| 21:41.10 | ascii_ | I am using Direct Admin unlimited license |
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| 21:41.38 | nsadmin | hmm, never heard of that |
| 21:41.41 | whysoserious | Aidalgol: might have to do apt-get lsof |
| 21:41.53 | whysoserious | Install* |
| 21:42.01 | aidalgol | whysoserious: Nah, I have it already. :) |
| 21:42.03 | nsadmin | is it postgres? mysql? something else? |
| 21:42.28 | ascii_ | nsadmin: first person that never heard of it |
| 21:42.46 | nsadmin | ascii_, ok :) |
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| 21:43.05 | ascii_ | nsadmin: great alternative do cpanel, for me it has much better security since there is no "automatic app installer" and you control everything. |
| 21:43.13 | ascii_ | do=to |
| 21:43.14 | whysoserious | Aidalgol: I think fuser can also be used. |
| 21:43.23 | nsadmin | oh, is that your database? |
| 21:43.35 | ascii_ | oh |
| 21:43.40 | ascii_ | sorry, mysql 5 |
| 21:44.05 | nsadmin | ok, find out if you can make a dump of the database on mysql while it's running |
| 21:44.14 | ascii_ | I already have a backup of the Control Panel |
| 21:44.26 | ascii_ | but what I would need would be an image |
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| 21:44.39 | ascii_ | since I'm messing with kernel |
| 21:45.51 | ascii_ | I found something on google, I think it's legit |
| 21:47.33 | nsadmin | you should try it... can the server make the image, store it on the server and pmvr oy |
| 21:47.58 | ascii_ | http://bigmyx.blogspot.pt/2011/06/how-to-install-openvz-with-ovz-web.html ..... analysing |
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| 21:48.20 | nsadmin | ...and then download it after it's done being generated? |
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| 21:50.13 | nsadmin | ascii_, I never learned mysql beyond simple table create and simple query, and this was years and years ago... I use postgres |
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| 21:51.14 | pparadis | ascii_: are you trying to make a backup of a mysql database? |
| 21:51.51 | nsadmin | he wants an image of his whole server |
| 21:52.00 | pparadis | oh. dd to the rescue. |
| 21:52.39 | nsadmin | it's also a remote |
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| 21:53.01 | colonolGron | hi |
| 21:53.02 | nsadmin | err actually he didn't confirm remote, altho he did say cpanel |
| 21:53.21 | nsadmin | he also said "production" |
| 21:53.25 | pparadis | nsadmin: yeah, probably remote. that said, he's got a couple of options. |
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| 21:54.38 | pparadis | if he can boot into a recovery environment (like a live cd) that's accessible via ssh or console, he can do the dd from there. alternately, he could stop every possible service on the box (httpd, mysql, etc) and do the dd from there over an ssh connection to another box to create the (possibly compressed) backup image. |
| 21:54.45 | pparadis | that second approach will actually work fine. |
| 21:55.09 | nsadmin | if you could detail those for him as well as a coupla setup and operation tips based on your experience, I think he'll really appreciate that |
| 21:55.25 | pparadis | the idea is to make sure as little as possible can change on sda while the dd goes, but with no services running it should be perfectly usable. |
| 21:55.30 | pparadis | nsadmin: sure thing :) |
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| 22:07.27 | ascii_ | pparadis: I am remote |
| 22:07.33 | ascii_ | woud "dd" work? |
| 22:07.38 | ascii_ | without downtime? |
| 22:08.11 | ascii_ | seems he left |
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| 22:09.26 | pparadis | ascii_: no, not without some downtime. you can make a complete system image (if that's what you want) without some downtime. |
| 22:09.39 | pparadis | ascii_: as per the above, you would need to stop all services on the box and then do the dd. |
| 22:10.01 | aaa801 | Anyone help me out with a error installing packages =/,update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header |
| 22:10.12 | aaa801 | get it when installing bluez |
| 22:10.15 | pparadis | ascii_: perhaps you just need to use rsync to make a copy of the filesystem, but it won't even necessarily be consistent either, because when things are running files will be changing. |
| 22:10.45 | stew | aaa801: which script does it complain about? |
| 22:10.53 | aaa801 | stew: it doesnt =/ |
| 22:11.10 | ascii_ | pparadis: thank you, I am tempted to just install openvz kernel and reboot but that's not safe |
| 22:11.20 | aaa801 | stew: http://pastebin.ca/2169479 |
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| 22:12.34 | pparadis | ascii_: if you want a coherent image of the server's disk, you will want to use dd as described. you may wish to do this during your lowest traffic time (0300 in the morning, whatever). are you backing this up to re-provision it somewhere else, or are you trying to come up with a routine backup strategy? |
| 22:12.35 | stew | aaa801: does /etc/init.d/dbus exist? |
| 22:12.41 | aaa801 | yes dbus is running |
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| 22:12.58 | aaa801 | root@raspbmc:/var/log# /etc/init.d/dbus status |
| 22:12.58 | aaa801 | dbus is running. |
| 22:13.12 | pparadis | everybody get on dbus! |
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| 22:13.34 | pparadis | aaa801: you should try dtrain sometime. i hear it's much faster than dbus. |
| 22:13.35 | ascii_ | pparadis: whatever I do it had to be tonight, I have a 4 hour window. My goal is to install openVZ webpanel and use this server to safelly run a small VPS |
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| 22:14.15 | jordanm | ascii_: running openvz should be the *only* thing a host node should do |
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| 22:14.20 | pparadis | ascii_: are you trying to keep cpanel and other junk on there as well? |
| 22:14.22 | ascii_ | in 4 hours backups will fire up and then I can't reboot |
| 22:14.25 | aaa801 | stew: any idea? |
| 22:14.33 | pparadis | jordanm: heh, i'd argue nobody should ever use openvz, but that's different ;) |
| 22:14.47 | ascii_ | pparadis: yes..... I know it's now best practise but I need to keep DirectAdmin in there |
| 22:14.49 | jordanm | pparadis: well, yeah |
| 22:15.01 | stew | aaa801: can you show us the output of "head /etc/init.d/{dbus,bluetooth}" |
| 22:15.14 | jordanm | ascii_: that will need to be moved to inside of individual container nodes |
| 22:15.22 | pparadis | ascii_: what you're planning on doing is highly inadvisable. if you're going to do virtualization, the host needs to do nothing but virtualization. |
| 22:15.30 | pparadis | ascii_: that said, it's your box :) |
| 22:15.38 | aaa801 | stew: http://pastebin.ca/2169482 |
| 22:15.40 | ascii_ | jordanm; you're right but this server has plenty of unused resources that I can make use of |
| 22:16.10 | pparadis | ascii_: you're probably going to find out why this isn't a good idea the hard way. just make sure you don't provision too much stuff on there that you care a lot about. |
| 22:16.32 | stew | aaa801: do you get a more specific error if you run "insserv --verbose" ? |
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| 22:16.34 | ascii_ | pparadis: I have 4 servers in 3 continents, all of them are used only for virtualizing but this is the old first one I started with...... you are right though |
| 22:16.49 | pparadis | ascii_: good luck :) |
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| 22:16.54 | ascii_ | I should move this clients inside a VM |
| 22:16.57 | aaa801 | stew: do i put that in and then try to install again yes? |
| 22:17.30 | stew | aaa801: you run that and see if it gives you an error with more clues |
| 22:17.37 | pparadis | ascii_: for reference, i do all my stuff inside KVM VMs on hosts i own. |
| 22:17.40 | aaa801 | no it created a couple of files |
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| 22:17.52 | aaa801 | root@raspbmc:~# insserv --verbose |
| 22:17.52 | aaa801 | insserv: creating .depend.boot |
| 22:17.52 | aaa801 | insserv: creating .depend.start |
| 22:17.52 | aaa801 | insserv: creating .depend.stop |
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| 22:18.01 | aaa801 | grr |
| 22:18.07 | pparadis | aaa801: http://paste.debian.net |
| 22:18.17 | aaa801 | yes yes, i thought itd let me get away with 4 lines :) |
| 22:18.24 | aaa801 | stew: What now? |
| 22:18.26 | nsadmin | that's how to do that without triggering the bot |
| 22:18.58 | nsadmin | the better way is to fail to create an issue in the first place |
| 22:18.59 | ascii_ | pparadis: if I do this right I can then move each client to a VM, one my one until I don't need a control panel on the host.... am I being really optimistic here or is this a real possibility? |
| 22:19.38 | pparadis | ascii_: my firm recommendation is to start out with a clean host, use either KVM or Xen to start with, and migrate clients one by one to VMs as you create them on the new host. |
| 22:19.55 | pparadis | ascii_: that will leave you with the old host empty to either have wiped and use for another virt host or just removed. |
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| 22:20.02 | ascii_ | I don't have standby dedicated servers :) |
| 22:20.06 | proby | hello , i had messed up a little with bashrc and changed the prompt and it looks good , but when pasting to gnome terminal the prompt text is getting wiped by the pasted one , how to fix that please? |
| 22:20.08 | pparadis | ascii_: time to get one :) |
| 22:20.23 | ascii_ | I hear you |
| 22:20.31 | proby | !debhelper |
| 22:20.32 | dpkg | debhelper is, like, a collection of programs that can be used in debian/rules files to automate common tasks related to building Debian binary packages. For further documentation, see the man pages for dh_* commands. For an overview of debhelper, see the debhelper man page. #debian's eggdrop bot |
| 22:20.36 | nsadmin | you do need dev and/or staging |
| 22:20.42 | pparadis | ascii_: in theory you could try to do what you're describing. it's probably going to wind up being a mess and quite possibly resulting in prolonged downtime for your clients. |
| 22:20.56 | proby | !PS1 |
| 22:20.56 | dpkg | well, ps1 is the standard prompt, or an old IBM prdecessor to the PS/2 computer, ahead of its time |
| 22:21.03 | nsadmin | because you should test new stuff you put on your (production) site before putting |
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| 22:21.32 | geggam | bah ... dev in production... outages are fun ! |
| 22:21.43 | ascii_ | am I wrong? |
| 22:21.46 | ascii_ | on a small budget, we all run tests on production servers |
| 22:21.55 | pparadis | there's just absolutely no way i'd try to go the route you're going, ascii_. it is absolutely worth the effort to stand up a new dedicated box to use for this migration. |
| 22:22.04 | pparadis | ascii_: no, you're wrong. |
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| 22:22.42 | pparadis | ascii_: i set up dev/test/prod VMs for darn near everything i do. when you can run a large number of VMs per single dedicated host, it's not difficult to have proper separation of environments. |
| 22:22.56 | ascii_ | this could be a VM inside the host, but even the host itself. you need to make sure backup policies work. so it's ok to put some stress on it as long as you don't break it |
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| 22:23.18 | pparadis | if what you're doing can't generate enough revenue to support what we've been describing, i'd reconsider what you're doing. |
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| 22:23.34 | flo` | hi |
| 22:23.44 | nsadmin | ascii_, if it's worked well for you, there you go, you have your answer... but more generally that can be a recipe for disaster... is this thing monitized? |
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| 22:23.54 | pparadis | nsadmin: he's got clients on it. |
| 22:23.58 | nsadmin | high flo! |
| 22:24.12 | nsadmin | pparadis, that's a big thing that worries me |
| 22:24.19 | pparadis | nsadmin: yep |
| 22:24.39 | nsadmin | if it's monitized, there's no reason to not get what he needs |
| 22:24.42 | ascii_ | pparadis: I have customers that relly on my servers yes, I do guarantee quality, otherwise I wouldn't be here talking to you fine people |
| 22:24.43 | flo` | i'm using debian squeeze with grub2, and i want to install another linux distro along. can i set up debian so it only automatically updates "its" grub-entries? |
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| 22:25.32 | pparadis | ascii_: you owe it to your customers to do this right. if you're not generating enough revenue to do it right, even enough to stand up another server to serve as a cleanly provisioned VM host, you aren't charging nearly enough for your stuff, or your customers are "about to get what they paid for." |
| 22:25.36 | flo` | with grub-legacy, everything outside BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST got ignored. i'd like either this behaviour, or e.g. that debian writes into grub-debian.cfg, which is then included |
| 22:25.49 | nsadmin | flo`, you could use the one grub2 on your squeeze, and with the appropriate stuff installed, it will find the other oses |
| 22:25.52 | pparadis | ascii_: either way, it's your deal man, so i hope it works out right :) |
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| 22:26.02 | ascii_ | I'm not a horrible person, its just that what customers pay barelly covers server cost because they don't want to pay for support or maintenance. |
| 22:26.04 | aaa801 | insserv: Service dbus has to be enabled to start service bluetooth |
| 22:26.07 | aaa801 | BUT IT IS STARTED :@ |
| 22:26.14 | flo` | nsadmin: what does "it will find other oses" mean? |
| 22:26.16 | pparadis | ascii_: that's the industry. |
| 22:26.19 | geggam | then you need to charge more or realize you cant afford to be in business |
| 22:26.34 | nsadmin | flo`, you have this debian squeeze... right? |
| 22:26.36 | pparadis | there is such a thing as having the wrong customers, or customers you can't afford to keep. |
| 22:26.38 | flo` | nsadmin: debian can tell in no way how $distro wants its menu entries to liik like. |
| 22:26.45 | flo` | nsadmin: yea, i have squeeze. |
| 22:26.48 | geggam | or come to the bay and get some VC people who are stupid |
| 22:26.49 | nsadmin | you're going to have this other os, mint of something? |
| 22:27.04 | flo` | "this other os" is archlinux |
| 22:27.04 | Spami | hello my /dev/md1 is almost full. How can i increase the size ? |
| 22:27.05 | tscopp | Okay, I have a stupid problem that really shouldn't be a problem but's driving me crazy. I created a new ssh keypair. Cool, life is good. Can log in just fine. However when I dump the private key to a file and attempt to login using ssh-agent and ssh-add it prompts me for a 'passphrase.' But this passphrase is empty, meaning I just have to press enter. But this having to press enter is breaking everything ever in my scripts. What am I doing wrong an |
| 22:27.11 | ascii_ | good talk guys |
| 22:27.13 | ascii_ | thanks |
| 22:27.29 | ascii_ | looking for cheap dedicated in europe..... :p |
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| 22:27.35 | nsadmin | I'm just saying you only need the one boot loader, and booting that and running update-grub will find the other os and automagically add it |
| 22:27.53 | stew | tscopp: you don't need ssh-agent if the key has an empty passphrase |
| 22:27.56 | pparadis | ascii_: make sure you ask potential providers the right questions before you buy, i know you will anyhow, just saying :). don't get stuck with a box that won't do what you want. |
| 22:28.06 | stew | tscopp: you should just be able to ssh -i /path/to/private user@remotehost |
| 22:28.07 | flo` | nsadmin: i doubt that this will work properly. because debian can't know of the settings i need for archlinux |
| 22:28.09 | geggam | think about temp nodes in ec2 to cover during the change ascii_ ... what |
| 22:28.26 | tscopp | stew: unfortunately I can't change it, I'm attempting to install phabricator (git based code review, task trackign awesomeness) |
| 22:28.26 | geggam | what i do is spin up extra...run things there...do my changes |
| 22:28.27 | ascii_ | pparadis: yup... thanks ;) |
| 22:28.40 | geggam | then turn off ec2 |
| 22:28.46 | nsadmin | flo`, you need custom settings? there could be a place for nonautomatic stuff |
| 22:28.47 | tscopp | stew: it's doing what it does with ssh-agent, despite it being a rquirement that the key has no passphrase. Grr. |
| 22:28.56 | flo` | (for example: archlinux uses a newer kernel where i want to specify a certain option. archlinux lies on an encrypted lvm volume, which needs to be set up properly. (i have to give a certain root= param)) |
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| 22:29.29 | nsadmin | How would I get the "last kernel booted" thing that used to be in grub1? |
| 22:29.44 | flo` | nsadmin: yea, but then arch linux cannot update its grub.cfg-part alone |
| 22:30.09 | flo` | i'd need to boot or at least chroot into debian, change my /etc/grub config there, then run update-grub... |
| 22:30.10 | stew | tscopp: if phabricator is broken why don't you fix that? |
| 22:30.23 | aaa801 | stew: update-rc.d dbus default fixed it |
| 22:30.33 | tscopp | stew: I could, but it's not. There has to be something I'm missing. There'd be more squalking if it wasn't just me being dumb :) |
| 22:31.01 | tscopp | squawking, rather. |
| 22:31.03 | proby | guys when the bash line is filled it does not return to a new ligne |
| 22:31.15 | ompaul | proby: ctrl R |
| 22:31.19 | ompaul | crtl L |
| 22:31.33 | ompaul | proby: and now ? |
| 22:31.42 | flo` | i think i really want my grub config like this: one global grub.cfg, containing timeouts, password hashes etc, one grub-debian.cfg and one grub-arch.cfg. is such a thing possible (at least from the debian side)? |
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| 22:32.08 | nsadmin | flo`, if worst comes to worst, you could install another grub on a partition that is taken care of only by the other os |
| 22:32.09 | flo` | *possible in an admin-friendly way without changes that would break on an update. |
| 22:32.13 | proby | ompaul no , the line wipe my prompt |
| 22:32.24 | ompaul | type clear |
| 22:32.30 | proby | gggggggggggggggggggg502|0> gggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg * |
| 22:32.33 | proby | loooooooooooool |
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| 22:32.43 | flo` | nsadmin: this solution is dirty. and i don't even have such a partition. |
| 22:32.52 | Kuun-Lann | hello |
| 22:32.54 | nsadmin | you could set up the last-kernel-booted feature to set up which thing to boot |
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| 22:33.03 | flo` | i have /boot, and then a huge encrypted partition with an LVM inside |
| 22:33.18 | tscopp | stew: Hm, so specifying the id_rsa file from the phabricator interface works whereas pasting in the private key didn't. Maybe something is broken afterall. |
| 22:33.26 | nsadmin | for arch? or debian? |
| 22:33.35 | nsadmin | or are you going to try to share? |
| 22:33.45 | flo` | nsadmin: i'd like to share /boot, yes |
| 22:33.50 | proby | how to solve that it is annoying |
| 22:33.50 | proby | aminos:~:[23:33:20]|506|0> |
| 22:33.51 | proby | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa21]|506|0> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 22:33.56 | flo` | (and in fact, this worked/works pretty fine, except this grub config issue) |
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| 22:34.28 | ompaul | proby: close the terminal and start again |
| 22:34.36 | flo` | and both are sharing the same encryption container, which contains a (shared) lvm physical volume, which contains two dedicated (non-shared) volumes, one for arch, one for debian. |
| 22:34.37 | Kuun-Lann | i got a specific question. I have a blind friend who want to boot on USB to test gnu/linux. But he can't change his boot sequence on the bios because his vocal navigation software is working only after the boot..Any idea ? |
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| 22:34.53 | proby | no , i want to prevent this from happening |
| 22:35.04 | proby | it has a relation with ps var |
| 22:35.09 | boudiccas | Kuun-Lann: you do it for him |
| 22:35.15 | flo` | nsadmin: does this sound reasonable? |
| 22:35.19 | proby | the original prompt doesn not do that |
| 22:35.25 | dondelelcaro | Kuun-Lann: often by default the bios will boot from USB, but yeah; having a friend do it is the easiest |
| 22:35.36 | ompaul | what is your ps line? |
| 22:35.43 | proby | wait |
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| 22:35.56 | nsadmin | I thought about this before... and I've wanted to share /boot and share the lvm vg (which isn't an issue)... I can't think of anything that would be harmed, but I say you have to be careful about what you do to /boot |
| 22:35.56 | Some_Person | Is it possible to regenerate /etc/fstab as all the UUIDs are different on my new VPS? |
| 22:35.56 | proby | PS1="${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;32m\]\u\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\e[0;31m\w\e[0m\[\033[00m\]:[\$(date +%k:%M:%S)]|\!|\$?> " |
| 22:36.01 | Kuun-Lann | boudiccas, ok .. he's very far from me (france -> canada) . That's why i would like to find an other way :) |
| 22:36.07 | proby | sorry for not pasting |
| 22:36.14 | Kuun-Lann | but thx anyway boudiccas / dondelelcaro |
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| 22:36.26 | nsadmin | careful in general... I don't see or remember anything specific that would prevent it |
| 22:36.32 | flo` | nsadmin: i _know_ that all files except grub.cfg do not overlap. |
| 22:36.44 | boudiccas | Kuun-Lann: you didnt give us all the info in th eoriginal question |
| 22:37.08 | proby | ompaul is there a fix? |
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| 22:37.21 | flo` | nsadmin: and actually, grub.cfg wouldn't be an issue if debian (and arch) were able to write their stuff into grub-$distro.cfg instead of grub.cfg |
| 22:37.26 | ascii_ | quick question: why does Debian squeeze have a smaller footprint than centos 5.8 on minimal install? is it missing something? |
| 22:37.27 | SumYunGai | how do i reinstall or remove the 3.2 kernal |
| 22:37.28 | nsadmin | can you split /boot into two /boots just in case? |
| 22:37.33 | flo` | so can debian do that somehow? |
| 22:37.57 | flo` | nsadmin: i probably could. |
| 22:38.08 | ompaul | proby: less complex and build slowy is my advise and start here: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-unix-bash-shell-setup-prompt.html |
| 22:38.11 | pparadis | ascii_: it's not missing anything. a minimal netinstall is exactly that, a minimal netinstall. the only way you get more minimal is doing debootstrap yourself. |
| 22:38.18 | Kuun-Lann | boudiccas, indeed :) sorry ^^ |
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| 22:38.25 | nsadmin | flo`, just saying... that would preclude you having to think about it |
| 22:38.35 | proby | ompaul it is so simple |
| 22:38.39 | pparadis | ascii_: a minimal netinstall with debian gives you a basic system that you can add other things to. i typically start with that plus the openssh server task and go from there. |
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| 22:39.05 | ompaul | proby: you have put something in there that broke it - I'm not going to debug it, start add one feature if it breaks work out why move on |
| 22:39.07 | nsadmin | additional /boot could also mean you could install a separate grub for the other os |
| 22:39.10 | pparadis | ascii_: for example --> http://www.palegray.net/tutorials/debian-6-kvm-howto/ |
| 22:39.20 | proby | ok |
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| 22:39.35 | ascii_ | I have used both CentOS 5.8 minimal and debian 6 minimal. My question is why is disk space and memory consumption heavier on CentOS |
| 22:39.37 | nsadmin | flo`, whatcha doin? |
| 22:39.46 | flo` | nsadmin: but i actually don't want a second grub. (but yea, i'm considering this solution as the best _right now_. still hoping to find a better one) |
| 22:40.01 | thecox | because centos sucks |
| 22:40.02 | flo` | i mean, it's called grand |
| 22:40.09 | Some_Person | Is it possible to regenerate /etc/fstab? Everything in it is wrong |
| 22:40.09 | boudiccas | ascii_: you'd have to ask #centos that |
| 22:40.10 | flo` | *unified* bootloader for a reason |
| 22:40.23 | flo` | Some_Person: yes. vim. |
| 22:40.32 | Some_Person | flo`: I meant automatically |
| 22:40.53 | nsadmin | Some_Person, how did it get wrong? |
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| 22:41.05 | nsadmin | what's wrong about it? |
| 22:41.16 | Some_Person | nsadmin: I just managed to move my entire VPS from one provider to another |
| 22:41.17 | flo` | nsadmin: are there any files referencing to grub.cfg except update-grub? |
| 22:41.36 | Some_Person | fstab still has the old UUIDs and filesystems |
| 22:41.46 | nsadmin | flo`, you mean other than the boot loader itself... dunno |
| 22:42.00 | flo` | Some_Person: well, in case of a server you want almost certainly re-write your fstab by hand |
| 22:42.12 | flo` | you will be really screwed if some automagic tool does it wrong |
| 22:42.27 | nsadmin | Some_Person, go in and adjust it, it shouldnn't take long |
| 22:42.45 | flo` | Some_Person: and experience says: if your fstab has <30 entries, you'd be faster if you did it by hand |
| 22:42.50 | Some_Person | Ok |
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| 22:43.04 | nsadmin | Some_Person, do you have the same mounts as on the old one? |
| 22:43.05 | Some_Person | How do I find the new UUIDs? And how is it running with all the wrong data in there anyway? |
| 22:43.11 | dizzylizzy | It's my fault for not backing up my data, but my evolution calendar is now blank after running a full safe-upgrade |
| 22:43.24 | flo` | Some_Person: which wrong data? |
| 22:43.29 | Some_Person | nsadmin: Nope. /boot was on a separate partition before and isn't anymore, and the root filesystem is now ext3 instead of xfs |
| 22:43.43 | Some_Person | flo`: in fstab |
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| 22:44.04 | flo` | Some_Person: it's running because your bootloader got the correct path to your root filesystem (differing from the fstab entry!) |
| 22:44.07 | Some_Person | I get a warning from fsck.ext3 on boot, but if I bypass it with Ctrl-D, it boots fine |
| 22:44.07 | nsadmin | ok, what are the other mounts? |
| 22:44.16 | flo` | Some_Person: and because you have no other mounts which are vital for your system. |
| 22:44.23 | dizzylizzy | nevermind, I Just had to click the check-box enabling my calendar |
| 22:44.57 | nsadmin | Some_Person, what warning? why would you have to ctrl-d? |
| 22:45.02 | SumYunGai | am i genius or am i genius |
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| 22:45.06 | geggam | not |
| 22:45.10 | boudiccas | dizzylizzy: take it as a warning and start a backup regime |
| 22:45.19 | dizzylizzy | boudiccas, yes yes indeed. |
| 22:45.21 | dizzylizzy | thank you |
| 22:45.22 | geggam | regimen ? |
| 22:45.22 | Some_Person | nsadmin: It wants to drop to a maintenance shell because fsck fails to find the partition (because of the wrong UUID) |
| 22:45.48 | nsadmin | oh, ok... there's definitely a way to find the uuid |
| 22:46.17 | nsadmin | plus you can packpaddle by provideing the device for now instead of the uuid (while you find it) |
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| 22:48.35 | nsadmin | you say the partitions are ext3? |
| 22:49.31 | SumYunGai | gah debian is no joke gaize |
| 22:49.32 | nsadmin | Some_Person, blkid |
| 22:49.43 | SumYunGai | debioan is pwning me |
| 22:49.52 | proby | ompaul, it breaks here \e[1;31m[\w]\e[m |
| 22:49.54 | babilen | Some_Person: Ah, I see you are being helped here already. |
| 22:50.06 | ompaul | proby: and why is that? |
| 22:50.11 | babilen | SumYunGai: Please take it elsewhere, thank you. |
| 22:50.19 | ompaul | proby: or more to the point what do you want there |
| 22:50.31 | nsadmin | babilen, feel absolutely free to step in with any cool thing you can think of |
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| 22:50.46 | proby | the \e is causing the problem |
| 22:50.58 | proby | which gives a red color in my case |
| 22:51.16 | ompaul | proby: is that because you didn't close [1;31m |
| 22:51.18 | babilen | nsadmin: I am still not sure what the problem is right now. I merely suggested to look at "blkid" and the output of "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/" as a start. |
| 22:51.30 | proby | how??? |
| 22:51.35 | ompaul | ] |
| 22:51.39 | nsadmin | yeah, I just googled to find "blkid" |
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| 22:52.26 | nsadmin | SumYunGai, just keep learning |
| 22:52.45 | nsadmin | that;s all you have to do |
| 22:53.32 | proby | ompaul no |
| 22:53.39 | proby | ] doesn't close |
| 22:53.58 | nsadmin | babilen, he moved his remote to another provider, so he has to adjust his fstab... otherwise it offers maintainance mode... ctrl-d on that, boots fine |
| 22:54.28 | nsadmin | he may also need to regenerate his initrd |
| 22:54.36 | babilen | nsadmin: Well, just fix the fstab. There is not much more to do and the format is well detailed in "man fstab" -- I really can't think of anything else. |
| 22:55.10 | arietis | how can i stop hdd for a while? |
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| 22:55.50 | ompaul | !ops |
| 22:55.51 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 22:55.59 | cedr | Hi, I'm having trouble resolving security.debian.org - I'm using 'unbound' as my caching DNS server, and I am able to resolve some other hosts such as google. Here's a log with the verbosity set to 2: http://paste.debian.net/178545 . Any ideas what I can do? |
| 22:56.07 | ompaul | just as well |
| 22:56.09 | proby | dpkg : ops $problem |
| 22:56.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: proby complains about: $problem |
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| 22:56.21 | proby | dpkg : ops $flooooooooooooood |
| 22:56.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: proby complains about: $flooooooooooooood |
| 22:56.32 | abrotman | and they're gone ... |
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| 22:56.39 | ompaul | proby: you didn't want to do that |
| 22:57.00 | ManoftheSea | proby... the $problem should be replaced with "$user is flooding #debian" |
| 22:57.01 | kevlarman | i still miss when idoru would kline on pasting 3 lines :( |
| 22:57.05 | arietis | how can i stop hdd for a while? or send it to sleep mode? |
| 22:57.21 | ompaul | proby: anyway your prompt works for me |
| 22:57.25 | ompaul | what shell are you using? |
| 22:57.35 | txomon|home | is it normal that gnome-shell has sharp corners |
| 22:57.38 | txomon|home | ? |
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| 22:57.49 | ompaul | proby: I get a red tilde in ompaul:~:[23:55:32]|820|0> |
| 22:57.50 | kevlarman | txomon|home: probably depends on your theme |
| 22:58.06 | txomon|home | kevlarman, how may I change it? |
| 22:58.15 | kevlarman | dunno, i don't use gnome |
| 22:58.27 | babilen | arietis: Look at hdparm and in particular the -B and -S/-s options -- Note that spinning down a drive is not good for the drive. |
| 22:58.44 | boudiccas | txomon|home: gnome-control-center |
| 22:58.45 | ManoftheSea | there's a theme option under gnome-tweak-tool somewhere |
| 22:59.28 | txomon|home | but where exactly? |
| 22:59.58 | ManoftheSea | txomon|home: it's on the first menu under gnome-tweak-tool |
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| 23:00.38 | proby | ompaul solved thx for not helping me :p |
| 23:01.00 | proby | i used \[\033[01;31m\][\w]\[\033[00m\] instead of \e |
| 23:01.08 | txomon|home | but in the gnome-control-center? |
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| 23:02.33 | SumYunGai | finaly got 3.2 kernil and the native nvidias baby |
| 23:02.39 | SumYunGai | ya bbooooiiii |
| 23:02.57 | SumYunGai | my second time doing this and its still a nitemare to do |
| 23:03.00 | SumYunGai | jjjjeeeeez |
| 23:03.09 | ManoftheSea | txomon|home: it's not there in mine, so... |
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| 23:04.40 | dvs | !ops Sanfour is pm spamming |
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| 23:05.35 | kloeri | dvs: thanks, fixed |
| 23:05.39 | dvs | no prob |
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| 23:07.34 | txomon|home | how may I install gnome-shell themes? |
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| 23:07.44 | txomon|home | s/may/can/ |
| 23:08.06 | dvs | txomon|home: I take it the wheezy upgrade worked. |
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| 23:08.27 | txomon|home | dvs? |
| 23:08.27 | txomon|home | ah yes |
| 23:08.27 | txomon|home | :D |
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| 23:09.35 | colonolGron | i installed minimal debian. afterwards i installed alsa and cmus. now i wanted to play an mp3 file and cmus sais: "error: opening audio device: internal error" |
| 23:09.41 | colonolGron | did i forget something? |
| 23:09.57 | ompaul | you installed some codecs? |
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| 23:11.05 | abrotman | ah .. klined already |
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| 23:11.16 | dvs | no, i'm still here!!! ;-) |
| 23:11.30 | abrotman | heh |
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| 23:12.03 | colonolGron | ompaul: that could be the problem... do you know the package name? |
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| 23:15.03 | ompaul | colonolGron: start here and look in that general direction gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg |
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| 23:18.22 | colonolGron | ompaul: i think cmus doesnt use gstreamer |
| 23:19.02 | arall | colonolGron, it uses libmad0 for mp3, and there is a package cmus-plugin-ffmpeg |
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| 23:19.54 | colonolGron | arall: thank you |
| 23:20.07 | arall | colonolGron, you might want to check this out as well: http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=87412.0 |
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| 23:20.30 | ompaul | colonolGron: for things like that I suppose this would have been better: apt-cache search cmus |
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