| 00:00.00 | kallisti_ | nsadmin: I removed it |
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| 00:00.04 | kallisti_ | thinking there would be no problems. :P |
| 00:00.20 | kallisti_ | no I was teaching Haskell over IRC. |
| 00:00.27 | kallisti_ | a very time consuming thing. |
| 00:00.59 | nsadmin | irc probably isn't the correct medium to do that, at least not by itself |
| 00:01.29 | nsadmin | very time consuming, and I bet very frustrating? |
| 00:01.35 | kallisti_ | it can be. |
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| 00:01.56 | kallisti_ | right so I should be doing something |
| 00:02.11 | kallisti_ | okay yes I have the old kernel modules still |
| 00:02.26 | nsadmin | hm, ok, look in /boot |
| 00:02.34 | asciiker | hey |
| 00:02.40 | kallisti_ | it's all the new kernel |
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| 00:02.43 | nsadmin | see if you have config, vmlinuz and initrd for that version |
| 00:02.48 | kallisti_ | I do not. |
| 00:02.54 | kallisti_ | I may still have the package cached though |
| 00:02.55 | asciiker | this squeeze has given me nothin but trouble |
| 00:02.57 | kallisti_ | so I might be able to reinstall |
| 00:03.09 | Some_Person | Is anyone here familiar with photorec? Is it possible to resume it after it got interrupted (I didn't see it happen, but it appears my computer rebooted for some reason) |
| 00:03.33 | dvs | asciiker: You had etch+lenny+squeeze+wheezy |
| 00:03.37 | nsadmin | asciiker, -nothin-?! |
| 00:03.38 | kallisti_ | no it's not cached |
| 00:03.38 | Some_Person | Note that I ran it off a live cd |
| 00:03.55 | asciiker | dvs: yes I am the one |
| 00:03.59 | nsadmin | oh, this is that one? nm, say I.... |
| 00:04.05 | kallisti_ | nsadmin: I had broadcom-sta-common installed so I'm guessing I wasn't using b43 at all |
| 00:04.16 | kallisti_ | but broadcom-sta isn't working. I can't scan for networks at all with it |
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| 00:04.37 | asciiker | dvs: backup is done with, I am just trying to start vmware server so I can backup a few files from the VM's |
| 00:04.56 | nsadmin | kallisti_, small test: |
| 00:05.11 | nsadmin | which interface is the wireless? (ifconfig -a) |
| 00:05.51 | Some_Person | This thing has been running for *DAYS* and I do not want to have to start over |
| 00:06.04 | Some_Person | It was about 12 hours away from finishing |
| 00:06.07 | kallisti_ | nsadmin: wlan0 |
| 00:06.11 | kallisti_ | or do you mean something else by interface? |
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| 00:06.45 | nsadmin | ok, and you got the "wlan0" from immediately previous invocation of ifconfig -a? |
| 00:07.07 | nsadmin | kallisti_, the wlan0 is what I meant |
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| 00:07.20 | kallisti_ | yes |
| 00:07.30 | kallisti_ | b43 is currently installed |
| 00:07.34 | nsadmin | ok, the test now: |
| 00:07.43 | d1zzYLuLz | this is probably a dumb question but does rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw refer to a wireless nic? |
| 00:07.45 | nsadmin | ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 00:07.49 | nsadmin | iwlist scan |
| 00:07.58 | d1zzYLuLz | i've been having issues w/ my wireless nic (the only distro to work so far is backtrack 5 r2) |
| 00:08.14 | d1zzYLuLz | and when im tryin to install debian testing, it says i need to have it and to put it on a usb stick |
| 00:08.23 | nsadmin | results? |
| 00:08.33 | d1zzYLuLz | when i research it, i find a firmware-realtek.deb and it says it's for ethernet |
| 00:08.47 | d1zzYLuLz | my wireless is a broadcom thouhg =( |
| 00:09.08 | kallisti_ | nsadmin: no scan results |
| 00:09.13 | Some_Person | Am I seriously going to have to wait several days again? |
| 00:09.29 | kallisti_ | nsadmin: but wicd-client does show networks available |
| 00:09.31 | kallisti_ | which is odd |
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| 00:09.37 | nsadmin | ok, is that box connected using a different interface? |
| 00:09.50 | kallisti_ | eth0 at the moment |
| 00:09.51 | themill | d1zzYLuLz: 8168 is a wired ethernet card, yes |
| 00:09.54 | kallisti_ | that's how I'm talking to you. :P |
| 00:10.06 | prefixed | hey yalls! Anyone have any ideaa on why client http requests keep timing out when passed through my openVPN server? Here's my iptables-save: http://pastebin.com/xqzhTbkd |
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| 00:10.27 | nsadmin | ok, can you install firmware-linux-free and firmware-linux-nonfree? |
| 00:10.43 | nsadmin | and watch dmesg after |
| 00:11.04 | kallisti_ | nsadmin: install both before checking dmesg? |
| 00:11.07 | d1zzYLuLz | so is it possible it's not seeing my nic and needs the drivers for my eth0? |
| 00:11.16 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 00:11.24 | d1zzYLuLz | which isn't connected? |
| 00:12.08 | kallisti_ | nsadmin: already installed |
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| 00:15.17 | kallisti_ | nsadmin: is that the sound of confusion? :P |
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| 00:16.14 | nsadmin | what driver are you presently trying? |
| 00:16.39 | kallisti_ | b43 |
| 00:16.40 | kallisti_ | I think |
| 00:16.57 | prefixed | helllloooooo? |
| 00:17.08 | nsadmin | could you remove that driver and try ssb? |
| 00:17.27 | nsadmin | after modprobing that, look at end of dmesg |
| 00:17.33 | kallisti_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware-nonfree/+bug/859569 |
| 00:17.35 | kallisti_ | I'm wondering if this related |
| 00:17.49 | kallisti_ | I removed linux-firmware-nonfree and reinstalled using command: |
| 00:17.50 | kallisti_ | sudo apt-get install --reinstall firmware-b43-lpphy-installer |
| 00:17.50 | kallisti_ | after a reboot wireless works again. |
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| 00:17.57 | kallisti_ | oopse more lines than I expected |
| 00:18.28 | dvs | kallisti_: probably installed it for the new kernel |
| 00:18.32 | nsadmin | kallisti_, works? oh, glad you found the problem |
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| 00:18.37 | kallisti_ | nsadmin: oh no |
| 00:18.41 | kallisti_ | that was a paste from that link |
| 00:19.00 | kallisti_ | I could try it though |
| 00:19.07 | kallisti_ | also with ssb it's not recognizing a wlan0 interface at all |
| 00:19.36 | krisfremen | hey guys, what can I use for synchronizing mysql databases in near-realtime? |
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| 00:19.44 | nsadmin | for the moment, try modprobe -r b43, look at end of dmesg, modprobe ssb, check dmesg again |
| 00:20.10 | kallisti_ | [ 4309.537844] b43-pci-bridge 0000:03:00.0: PCI INT A disabled |
| 00:20.34 | nsadmin | after removing b43? |
| 00:20.37 | kallisti_ | yes |
| 00:20.46 | nsadmin | ok continue :) |
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| 00:20.51 | kallisti_ | http://pastebin.com/btiV3hEE |
| 00:20.56 | kallisti_ | from adding ssb |
| 00:21.27 | kallisti_ | but no wlan0 |
| 00:21.32 | kallisti_ | or anything else new that would replace it |
| 00:21.50 | nsadmin | so wlan0 now does not exist in ifconfig -a? |
| 00:21.55 | kallisti_ | correct. |
| 00:22.12 | nsadmin | ok, had you tried that installler thing? |
| 00:22.21 | kallisti_ | not yet. requires a restart. I'll do that now. |
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| 00:22.54 | nsadmin | actually it may not... I'd check dmesg after, just to see |
| 00:23.07 | nsadmin | if no joy-like stuff, then reboot |
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| 00:24.23 | kallisti_ | huh interesting |
| 00:24.33 | nsadmin | how so? |
| 00:24.35 | kallisti_ | so wlan0 is in ifconfig -a, but ifup wlan0 doesn't recognize that interface. |
| 00:25.04 | nsadmin | just try... ifconfig wlan0 up |
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| 00:25.13 | nsadmin | then iwlist scan |
| 00:25.16 | kallisti_ | ah okay. not sure what the difference is |
| 00:25.39 | nsadmin | I'll explain later... going for food soon |
| 00:26.12 | nsadmin | results? |
| 00:26.20 | kallisti_ | http://pastebin.com/F6Lw28XW |
| 00:26.21 | kallisti_ | here's dmesg |
| 00:26.34 | kallisti_ | no iwlist scan results though |
| 00:26.44 | kallisti_ | wicd-client is still showing networks though |
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| 00:26.58 | kallisti_ | oh wait do I need iw for any of this to be functioning properly? :P |
| 00:27.08 | kallisti_ | nah. it didn't seem to make a difference |
| 00:27.25 | kallisti_ | I was reading that broadcom-sta doesn't cooperate with "the iw stack" |
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| 00:27.32 | kallisti_ | so I took that to mean I should remove iw and see if that helps. :P |
| 00:27.45 | nsadmin | ran out of time. going for food... bb a bit later |
| 00:28.01 | kallisti_ | alright. thanks for the help. |
| 00:28.04 | stew | kallisti_: run "ip link set dev wlan0 up" and try scanning again |
| 00:28.20 | kallisti_ | nope.. |
| 00:28.24 | kallisti_ | no luck. |
| 00:28.39 | kallisti_ | why would wicd-client show networks but not iwlist? |
| 00:28.45 | phogg | caching? |
| 00:29.02 | stew | oh, i missed the fact that wicd-client sees links |
| 00:29.11 | kallisti_ | if it caches then it caches through clicks of "refresh" |
| 00:29.15 | nsadmin | kallisti_, try connecting to one using wicd |
| 00:29.18 | kallisti_ | which is probably a bug. :P |
| 00:29.41 | kallisti_ | that'll knock me offline, but yeah I'll go ahead and try now that I've made some cha^W^W^Wbroken some things |
| 00:29.42 | phogg | kallisti_: does iwlist wlan0 scan return no results or tell you that the interface doesn't support it? |
| 00:29.52 | kallisti_ | wlan0 No scan results |
| 00:30.10 | kallisti_ | okay I'm disconnecting mometarily to test wireless. |
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| 00:33.52 | kallisti | Jun 13 20:32:21 maria kernel: [ 5055.512763] wlan0: deauthenticating from 34:ef:44:99:a2:31 by local choice (reason=3) |
| 00:34.03 | kallisti | this seems to be the issue. |
| 00:34.20 | kallisti | I'll be connected briefly, with a very slow connection |
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| 00:34.23 | kallisti | and then it stops working |
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| 00:35.28 | phogg | okay... so reason=3. Nice and helpful. |
| 00:36.13 | kallisti | perhaps google knows the secrets of this reason 3 |
| 00:36.40 | kallisti | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wpasupplicant/+bug/872578 |
| 00:36.43 | kallisti | an issue with wpasupplicant? |
| 00:36.57 | phogg | but you are not using wpa_supplicant |
| 00:37.04 | kallisti | ...yeah |
| 00:37.07 | phogg | you are using iwlist directly |
| 00:37.25 | kallisti | well no I'm using wicd-client but I have no wpasupplicant daemon running |
| 00:38.20 | phogg | so reason 3 is basically "local machine requested a de-auth" |
| 00:38.47 | phogg | well whichever. You certainly should be using wpa_supplicant, because it's awesome, but whatever floats your boat |
| 00:39.06 | kallisti | in the past wicd-client has "just worked" |
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| 00:40.56 | dvs | kallisti: is wlan0 in your /etc/network/interfaces file? |
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| 00:43.32 | kallisti | dvs: no |
| 00:43.39 | dvs | good |
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| 00:48.31 | sanitypassing | hi, I need some sort of solution to running memtest off a flash drive so I can test my laptops RAM. Can anyone tell me what I should do? |
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| 00:49.19 | kallisti | curiously, when I install broadcom-sta-common there's no module named wl in lsmod |
| 00:50.16 | dvs | kallisti: You're suppose to install broadcom-sta |
| 00:51.04 | kallisti | E: Unable to locate package broadcom-sta |
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| 00:51.29 | dvs | http://wiki.debian.org/wl#Squeeze |
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| 00:51.41 | kallisti | oh right |
| 00:51.47 | kallisti | I forgot about module-assistant |
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| 00:52.04 | kallisti | I actually think that's what I did on my previous kernel to get everything working |
| 00:52.12 | kallisti | so, uh, let's try that. :P |
| 00:52.28 | PiruBalita | hello,i couldnt get help on ubuntu, so sorry for bothering with a syslinux question,but i think u use it too |
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| 00:52.35 | PiruBalita | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:53.37 | stew | PiruBalita: wrong channel, you want #ubuntu |
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| 00:53.57 | kallisti | $ sudo modprobe -r ssb |
| 00:53.58 | kallisti | FATAL: Module ssb is in use. |
| 00:53.59 | kallisti | hm |
| 00:54.00 | PiruBalita | stew, nobody answered me there, dont debian users use syslinux too? |
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| 00:55.55 | stew | PiruBalita: yes, anyway, sorry you are having trouble. perhaps try a ubuntu mailing list or askubuntu.com or ##linux |
| 00:56.11 | patient | does anyone know if the urxvt package from squeeze come with 256color support? |
| 00:56.15 | PiruBalita | ok,.thnx anyway |
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| 01:33.14 | dvs | felah: aptitude install lm-sensors ? |
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| 01:43.16 | aill | i have a directory listing script and i want to sort the results by "/" (so its all in good order) help? |
| 01:44.11 | nsadmin | there is sort |
| 01:44.46 | nsadmin | however... sort may not be able to sort by "good" |
| 01:44.47 | aill | yeah |
| 01:44.52 | aill | got an example? |
| 01:45.08 | nsadmin | no, since I have no example of the data |
| 01:45.10 | aill | basically i want to sort from asc to desc, the lines with least number of "/" |
| 01:45.17 | aill | i just said its a directory listing |
| 01:45.29 | aill | ls -l more or less, without the prefix stuff |
| 01:45.37 | nsadmin | you could try find |
| 01:46.09 | nsadmin | a listing of only directories? |
| 01:46.29 | aill | includes files |
| 01:46.37 | nsadmin | a listing of only what is contained in one dir? |
| 01:46.53 | aill | no, a directory tree |
| 01:47.03 | karsten | aill: aptitude show tree |
| 01:47.12 | nsadmin | see what happens if you just feed the listing to sort |
| 01:47.14 | aill | i have very limited commands available |
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| 01:47.31 | nsadmin | any commands you do not have can be installed |
| 01:47.39 | aill | not in this case |
| 01:47.44 | aill | it has to run on a lot of servers |
| 01:48.09 | karsten | aill: Then install the command(s) on those servers. |
| 01:48.19 | aill | ...no too much grief |
| 01:48.28 | aill | has to rely on very basic linux commands |
| 01:49.19 | karsten | aill: well, "ls", "find", and "sort" are some basic standbyes. |
| 01:49.44 | nsadmin | hmm, I have to run a short errand... if you could assemble a list of available commands, that would be good. also, would like to see cat /etc/debian_version, apt-cache policy, and apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 01:49.57 | karsten | aill: If you want to, say, count the number of '/' characters, you could incorporate awk and create a sort key. All of these are standard commands available on default installs. |
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| 01:52.05 | karsten | aill: I think the bigger problem is that you haven't stated your use case / requirements very clearly. |
| 01:56.56 | aill | karsten i have another script |
| 01:57.14 | aill | that does some fancy stuff, and it would make my life a whole lot easier if the directory listing came back in perfect order |
| 01:59.32 | karsten | aill: What's the order? |
| 01:59.39 | karsten | aill: read your 'sort' manpage. |
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| 02:00.46 | aill | ... whats the order? |
| 02:00.54 | aill | the most natural order you could think of |
| 02:01.11 | aill | file, file, file, sub dir, file, file, file, more sub dirs, file file file |
| 02:01.23 | aill | so all files, then sub dirs, then all their files, repeat |
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| 02:12.21 | aill | how to run multiple commands in one line? |
| 02:12.36 | aill | (with pipes) |
| 02:13.26 | ksk | what do you want t odo? |
| 02:13.40 | ksk | command1 | command2 |
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| 02:14.01 | ksk | but thats only useful if command2 shall use command1s output as its input.. |
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| 02:17.09 | gnarface | aill: did you mean to run multiple commands on one line without pipes? just do it like: command1; command2; command3; |
| 02:17.27 | gnarface | aill: also there is a #bash channel on freenode, fyi |
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| 02:27.29 | sary | Salutation. |
| 02:27.48 | dvs | Response |
| 02:27.56 | sary | am unable to upload to online services .. like imgur.com in Debian .. but am able to in Windows/Mac OS X with the same ISP on the same Machine ! it gets stuck at 3% or 12 .. thats it . i should also mention that i have the same issue under Ubuntu ! |
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| 02:29.04 | gnarface | sary: sounds like you have a really old kernel and/or misbehaving firewall and you forgot to disable tcp_window_scaling |
| 02:29.10 | gnarface | sary: what debian version ? |
| 02:29.38 | sary | gnarface: thanks , running wheezy at the moment . |
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| 02:30.39 | abrotman | gnarface: or misbehaving ISP .. |
| 02:31.11 | gnarface | sary: check the value of /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_window_scaling and if its 1, set it to 0 and see if that fixes it. whether or not it does, there's a good chance abrotman is right anyway. |
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| 02:32.20 | sary | Thanks guys , i'll check and get back . |
| 02:32.38 | gnarface | sary: how long has it been since you updated wheezy by the way? |
| 02:32.59 | gnarface | hasn't seen that tcp_window_scaling bug since 2006... |
| 02:33.01 | gnarface | is worried |
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| 02:33.21 | sary | gnarface: a month or so , as i recall . |
| 02:33.39 | sary | then i did a fresh install , |
| 02:34.52 | gnarface | hmm. seems ... a bit late for such things |
| 02:35.01 | gnarface | but i suppose there could have been a regression |
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| 02:39.34 | sary | its set to 1 , but somehow after i chnage it to 0 am unable to save the file .. not even as root. |
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| 02:39.53 | gnarface | well that is disturbing |
| 02:40.14 | gnarface | if you're testing with firefox/iceweasel you should close it and reopen it first |
| 02:40.20 | gnarface | but i'd test with wget |
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| 02:41.29 | sary | i meant am unable to save the change to 0 in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_window_scaling |
| 02:41.39 | gnarface | oh |
| 02:41.46 | abrotman | sary: with an error that says? |
| 02:42.11 | sary | Yea , |
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| 02:42.32 | gnarface | do it like this as root (god only knows what will happen if you try to edit it with your janky gnome text editor): echo '0' > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_window_scaling |
| 02:42.38 | sary | abrotman: Could not creat a backup file while saving /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_window_scaling |
| 02:42.48 | gnarface | *sigh* |
| 02:43.07 | ksk | hehe |
| 02:43.10 | gnarface | sary: that doesn't mean it failed to save, it just means it failed to save the backup of the original unchanged version |
| 02:43.29 | gnarface | sary: check the contents of the file itself to make sure its now 0, then fucking test wget http://google.com or something relevant |
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| 02:48.13 | stew | backup file? in /proc? what the? |
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| 02:48.44 | abrotman | carefully crafted! |
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| 02:52.34 | unomystEz | I'm running wheezy and installed gimp 2.8.0 from an upstream source, in doing so it also upgraded a whole bunch of gtk libs. I want to revert back, how can I query dpkg to see what ports were installed? |
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| 02:52.52 | unomystEz | pkgs rather |
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| 02:53.04 | abrotman | !which repo |
| 02:53.04 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list> |
| 02:53.06 | abrotman | good lucki |
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| 02:53.23 | unomystEz | thanks, that should suffice |
| 02:53.59 | abrotman | hopefullly |
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| 03:02.32 | unomystEz | think that fixed it |
| 03:02.37 | unomystEz | abrotman: thanks |
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| 03:03.04 | unomystEz | gonna reboot so will take effect |
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| 03:14.34 | unomystEz | well that didn't work exactly as planned. it seems the default font in my gedit in xfce is white whereas the background is also white. I think I should force reinstall all gedit's deps and hopefully it will revert back to normal |
| 03:14.35 | unomystEz | thoughts? |
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| 03:32.07 | vvcoder | hi all, is there any free vps for tech fourm? |
| 03:32.09 | sary | excuse me , i haad a phone call . |
| 03:32.43 | vvcoder | i'm in china, so i want to crack GFW |
| 03:33.08 | sary | gnarface: i never had an issue grabing files with wget . |
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| 03:34.10 | sary | right , i checked the file the value is set to 0 . |
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| 03:35.54 | sary | could it be the flash plugin , as i test the upload in 4shared.com , gets stuck as well. |
| 03:36.18 | gnarface | sary: well if my hypothesis is correct, you should once again be able to download no problem. otherwise, i got nothing (and you should probably put it back to 1) |
| 03:37.07 | sary | in chromium web browser. |
| 03:37.55 | sary | gnarface: the issue is whith upload , not downloading . |
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| 03:39.12 | gnarface | sary: oh? well i was confused about that sorry. you can download clean but not upload? sounds like a remote problem, unless its only with chromium or flash |
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| 03:42.28 | borillion | anyone know if imaged raid partitions can be looped before I try and mess them up? |
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| 03:43.34 | sary | gnarface: thats alright , i much appreciate your attention /assistance .. i already got gnash & browser-plugin-gnash installed . |
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| 03:44.47 | michyd | hi, i just install debian squeeze kde 6.0.5, and i can't find /usr/share/keymap/ directory? how can i modify the keymap? please help, thanks. |
| 03:45.15 | sary | would you please enlighten me on the remote problem ! |
| 03:45.51 | sary | I assume thats on my ISP part . |
| 03:46.07 | michyd | i want to 'emacs /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/us.map.gz', but in debian no that directory...(: |
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| 03:46.23 | ekaj | Does squeeze come with a live CD or is it only for installs? |
| 03:46.41 | michyd | Only for install |
| 03:46.47 | ekaj | meh okay, thanks |
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| 03:48.13 | michyd | as i know, there three type cds, net-install, minimal cd, and large dvd, all for install no live. |
| 03:49.27 | gnarface | sary: if it works for your mac os X machine but not your linux box would assume it is the website in question, not your ISP |
| 03:51.54 | michyd | anyone can help? can't find /usr/share/keymaps? where is keymap directory in debian? how can i modify it? |
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| 03:53.16 | nsadmin | , file usr/share/keymaps |
| 03:53.20 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 03:54.39 | ekaj | When it's asking for disk drives, does that mean HDD? |
| 03:54.41 | nsadmin | looks like that location doesn't exist, let me do a smal test |
| 03:55.01 | nsadmin | ekaj, it what? and probably yes |
| 03:55.08 | michyd | thanks, but how can i modify the keymap, i want to swap caps-lock and ctrl-l both for X11 and console. |
| 03:55.11 | nsadmin | , file usr/share/ |
| 03:55.15 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 03:55.24 | sary | gnarface: okay , the thing is when i reported the issue to my ISP , and when they found that am running a linx machine .. they stepped back as they don't know much about linux networking /firewall .. and now that i've tried to upload within two different web browsers and flash-plugin is in use .. am lost. |
| 03:55.33 | ekaj | "No disk drive was detected. If you know the name of the driver needed by your disk drive, you can select it from the list." I have an SCSI drive in there, is that going to be a problem? |
| 03:55.44 | michyd | when i use gentoo, i just modify the /usr/share/keymap/qwer...., then ok. |
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| 03:55.53 | nsadmin | ekaj, what program is telling you this? |
| 03:55.59 | ekaj | the installer for debian |
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| 03:56.06 | nsadmin | aha, ok... sec |
| 03:56.35 | nsadmin | michyd, it's possible debian stores that elsewhere, but my tests are inconclusive |
| 03:57.15 | nsadmin | ekaj, can you ctrl-alt-F2 |
| 03:57.20 | nsadmin | on the installer |
| 03:57.31 | nsadmin | and does it say "to activate a shell..." |
| 03:57.33 | ekaj | yes, it takes me to a screen prompting to enter |
| 03:57.36 | ekaj | ye |
| 03:57.52 | nsadmin | ok, hit enter |
| 03:58.01 | nsadmin | you should see $ or # |
| 03:58.02 | ekaj | okay |
| 03:58.08 | ekaj | ~# |
| 03:58.08 | apt | i heard # is pound, or hash, or sometimes the number sign. a tic-tac-toe board, or octothorpe |
| 03:58.31 | krisfremen | tic tac toe board.... |
| 03:58.31 | ekaj | pound |
| 03:58.57 | nsadmin | ok, try lspci -nn |
| 03:59.04 | nsadmin | does that do anything? |
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| 03:59.39 | ekaj | yea, a lot of stuff lol |
| 03:59.58 | nsadmin | ok, good... try lspci -nn | grep -i sata |
| 04:00.25 | nsadmin | might be no output |
| 04:00.49 | ekaj | none, I have an SCSI drive |
| 04:01.05 | Rusty1 | michyd: man xmodmap, in a terminal any help ? |
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| 04:01.25 | nsadmin | ok (seems the installer has grep too), try: lspci -nn | grep -i scsi |
| 04:01.39 | nsadmin | the scsi drive is what you want to install onto? |
| 04:01.48 | ekaj | yes |
| 04:02.04 | ekaj | It shows 2 results |
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| 04:02.23 | nsadmin | ok, see the thing that looks like [1234:abcd] |
| 04:02.41 | nsadmin | I guess you should see 2 of those |
| 04:03.28 | nsadmin | I just need those |
| 04:04.23 | ekaj | sorry, was afk |
| 04:04.35 | sary | gnarface: just tried with different upload websites service , http://limelinx.com/ , http://www.4shared.com/ , http://imgur.com/ , of course with different type of files as well . |
| 04:04.42 | ekaj | [9004:7896] for both |
| 04:04.55 | nsadmin | , pciic [9004:7896] |
| 04:04.58 | michyd | ls |
| 04:04.59 | nsadmin | , pciid [9004:7896] |
| 04:05.00 | judd | [9004:7896] is 'AIC-789x' from 'Adaptec' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=9004:7896 |
| 04:05.05 | ekaj | Why's it show the same thing twice for one drive? |
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| 04:05.38 | nsadmin | you probably have two such controllers |
| 04:06.20 | nsadmin | just so you know... I recognize that card as something I've seen about 15-20 years ago |
| 04:06.42 | nsadmin | thay're adaptec scsi cards |
| 04:06.51 | ekaj | It's a Netfinity 3500 |
| 04:07.03 | ekaj | I'm just trying to set up a network with a bunch of different OSes |
| 04:07.34 | ekaj | How do I exit the shell, or is there something else I need to do? |
| 04:07.53 | nsadmin | you can either leave the shell going or hit ctrl d |
| 04:08.26 | nsadmin | you are presently in the second console; the installer is on the first, to get to it try ctrl-alt-F1 |
| 04:08.42 | ekaj | Ahh, I left it running... I tried cntrl-shift-f2 again |
| 04:09.14 | nsadmin | shift won't work, if what you did worked, you used alt instead of shift :) |
| 04:09.33 | ekaj | There isn't an AIC-789x, but there's a 79xx. 7xxx, and 7xxx_old.. I assume 7xxx, but is it the old one? =p |
| 04:09.36 | ekaj | ah okay =p |
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| 04:09.51 | ekaj | Ah! I meant to say alt |
| 04:09.54 | nsadmin | I remember those drivers, they may have been dropped from the kernel |
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| 04:10.08 | nsadmin | or, debian decided to not include them |
| 04:10.09 | ekaj | Should they be removed from the list then? |
| 04:10.20 | nsadmin | from what list? |
| 04:10.33 | ekaj | it's asking for the drivers for my disk drive, those are on the list |
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| 04:10.38 | ekaj | the 7xxx ones |
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| 04:12.00 | nsadmin | you would somehow need to produce drivers for thst card. that card is old. Dince it's old, it may ether have been dropped from the kernel -entirely- or just from debian's compile of the kernel |
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| 04:12.19 | nsadmin | there may be hope for that machine |
| 04:12.24 | ekaj | Meh, I'll just try 7xxx |
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| 04:12.33 | nsadmin | it will take some effort |
| 04:12.37 | nsadmin | that could work |
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| 04:14.12 | ekaj | meh, neither one does.. just to clarify, is it the computer that is the limiting factor, or the scsi disk? |
| 04:14.31 | nsadmin | neither, I think it's the scsi controller |
| 04:14.39 | ekaj | can that be updated? |
| 04:14.52 | nsadmin | maybe they could be replaced |
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| 04:15.03 | nsadmin | if they are cards that fit in a slot |
| 04:15.28 | nacimmep | make it fit ;) |
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| 04:15.50 | nsadmin | another possibilitty, maybe the machine also has an ata/ide/eide controller |
| 04:16.03 | ekaj | I don't think I see a card, there is one, but I think it's a terminator card.. and no, only SCSI |
| 04:16.06 | nsadmin | which require completely different disks |
| 04:16.21 | ekaj | I take that back, it has IDE slots for the CD |
| 04:16.29 | ekaj | But I have 3 SCSI drives laying around that I'd like to use |
| 04:16.36 | nsadmin | what year is the machine from? |
| 04:16.59 | nsadmin | did you say you have other machines that are running debian now? |
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| 04:17.11 | ekaj | 98 I think =p |
| 04:17.12 | tq|Memphis | hi guys |
| 04:17.20 | ekaj | No, I have no other machines running debian |
| 04:17.23 | tq|Memphis | have a problem with my monitor/resolition |
| 04:17.28 | ekaj | I have 1 Windows Server 2k3 running with SCSIs though |
| 04:17.42 | tq|Memphis | i use 1900x1200 on win7 |
| 04:17.50 | tq|Memphis | but at debian it allows me only 1280x1024 |
| 04:17.59 | tq|Memphis | how can i make it 1900x1200? |
| 04:18.05 | nsadmin | ekaj, if you are stuck with that machine, you will need to build (or have built) a kernel |
| 04:18.35 | nsadmin | ekaj, so my guess was pretty close |
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| 04:19.26 | nsadmin | seems the machine is 14 years old according to your guess of 1998 |
| 04:19.39 | ekaj | Google's guess =p |
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| 04:20.13 | ekaj | Thank you very much for your help, though, I was expecting nowhere near that much |
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| 04:20.36 | Gargantua | Hey guys |
| 04:20.38 | meoblast001 | hi |
| 04:20.40 | Gargantua | Anyone here use Evolution? |
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| 04:21.14 | meoblast001 | i was looking for the binary postgres, which i'm told i need for a particular program, and this is what i got from apt-file: "apt-file find -l /usr/bin/postgres" "postgresql-autodoc" |
| 04:21.21 | nsadmin | welcome... you could still pursue the query of whether the driver is present in latest kernel source |
| 04:21.27 | meoblast001 | i'm not sure that makes much sense |
| 04:22.02 | ekaj | I tried the 7xxx and 7xxx_old but neither seemed to work |
| 04:22.08 | ekaj | Just took me back to the same screen |
| 04:22.14 | meoblast001 | oh, interesting |
| 04:22.24 | meoblast001 | there is no package with /usr/bin/postgres |
| 04:22.38 | meoblast001 | i'm confused now |
| 04:22.41 | meoblast001 | i'm trying to follow this: http://wiki.davical.org/w/Debian |
| 04:22.44 | nerdistmonk | why isnt tremulous in the testing repo? |
| 04:22.47 | meoblast001 | it says i need a binary postgres |
| 04:23.01 | nsadmin | meoblast001, postgresql packages are available... what version of pg? |
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| 04:23.16 | meoblast001 | 8.4 |
| 04:23.26 | nsadmin | let's see... |
| 04:23.33 | meoblast001 | i'm assuming this is the postgresql client... right? |
| 04:23.47 | nsadmin | , v postgresql-8.4 |
| 04:23.48 | judd | Package: postgresql-8.4 on i386 -- lenny-backports: 8.4.10-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 8.4.11-0squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 8.4.12-0squeeze1; squeeze-security: 8.4.12-0squeeze1; sid: 8.4.12-1; wheezy: 8.4.12-1 |
| 04:24.08 | nsadmin | client, server, client libs, what do you want? |
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| 04:24.26 | meoblast001 | i'm actually not entirely sure, all i know is that i'm supposed to run su postgres -c /usr/share/davical/dba/create-database.sh |
| 04:24.30 | meoblast001 | i'm pretty sure that's the client |
| 04:24.39 | nsadmin | and yes, you can get 8.4 in squeeze |
| 04:25.29 | nsadmin | could you look thru that script to see if it has a specific remote server in mind? (just a yes or no would be ok) |
| 04:26.10 | meoblast001 | ok, one moment |
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| 04:27.25 | nsadmin | if no, that could mean you should get a server |
| 04:27.35 | nsadmin | and all the client stuff |
| 04:27.35 | meoblast001 | nsadmin: well, i have the server installed |
| 04:27.43 | nsadmin | oh? ok |
| 04:27.56 | meoblast001 | yeah. i just need to know what application 'postgres' is |
| 04:28.03 | meoblast001 | in that line "su postgres -c ..." |
| 04:28.07 | meoblast001 | is that the client program? |
| 04:28.18 | nsadmin | so (as user postgres) you should be able to run psql |
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| 04:28.46 | nsadmin | no, postgres is not an app or program, it is the postgresql superuser |
| 04:29.21 | nsadmin | can you become root and run su - postgres |
| 04:29.31 | nsadmin | then run psql |
| 04:30.10 | meoblast001 | nsadmin: oh.. sorry. thanks |
| 04:30.14 | nsadmin | if you can do all that, then yes, you do have a server and it's running |
| 04:31.00 | nsadmin | and you have the basic clients and client libs |
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| 04:31.35 | meoblast001 | hm, if i have not set up a user account yet in postgres, how do i log in in order to do that? |
| 04:32.00 | nsadmin | notice it's asking you to switch to the super user |
| 04:32.15 | nsadmin | if you wish to make more users, you can do it from there |
| 04:32.40 | nsadmin | there are a few things you would need to understand about how pg authenticates |
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| 04:37.50 | nsadmin | meoblast001, one thing, if you are to run the script exactly as presented, you will either need to have a password on the user postgres (on debian, that's not by default), or alter the toplevel command line and create another postgres user |
| 04:38.54 | nsadmin | (btw, postgresql will refuse to (1) run the server as root, and (2) allow you to create a user called "root" |
| 04:38.57 | meoblast001 | ah, ok. i went into the postgres user and then created a user for myself |
| 04:38.59 | nsadmin | ) |
| 04:39.11 | resc_user_3260 | i successfully installed debian with kde, but on first load its nod loaded anything. |
| 04:39.20 | nsadmin | you can then say "make me a superuser" |
| 04:39.27 | resc_user_3260 | dpkg -l and dpkg --get-selections tells, that all installed |
| 04:39.28 | dpkg | ii and dpkg --get-selections tells, that all installed 1.1-11.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 04:39.42 | resc_user_3260 | but console tells, that sudo, kde, vim not installed! |
| 04:39.55 | resc_user_3260 | also df -hT lookl ike weird. |
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| 04:40.13 | nsadmin | meoblast001, as a very last offering in service, postgresql is -very- well documented, and also well supported on mailing lists and on #postgresql here |
| 04:40.44 | resc_user_3260 | /dev/disc/by-uuid/..... is root folder |
| 04:40.47 | meoblast001 | ah, ok. well, my main problem with it was getting it set up. i've worked with it before for other things, but someone set it up for me |
| 04:40.58 | meoblast001 | now i think i understand it at least well enough to have a basic setup |
| 04:41.13 | meoblast001 | but #postgresql could come in handy down the road |
| 04:41.50 | sary | so , i've tried switching from gnash to adobe flash -plugin .. still unable to upload ! |
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| 04:42.11 | nsadmin | lotsa experts there... |
| 04:42.20 | nsadmin | treat them well |
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| 04:45.20 | karlpinc` | meoblast001: Don't know if anyone mentioned the postgres readme.debian. |
| 04:45.28 | karlpinc` | !tell meoblast001 about readme.debian |
| 04:45.44 | meoblast001 | oh cool, he PMs me now :D |
| 04:46.38 | karlpinc` | meoblast001: Also, you'll probably want to give pg more shared ram in the config file, this may involve using /etc/sysctl.conf to tell linux to share more ram. YMMV. |
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| 04:47.20 | resc_user_3260 | Help anybody! I successfully installed debian, but it loaded only naked console. But dpkg --get-selections tells, that all installed, including sudo and kde |
| 04:47.34 | resc_user_3260 | df -hT thinks, that /dev/disk/by-uuid/79041f9b-33ac-45a0-8ca0-437230f6ac9e is root directory, thats weird |
| 04:47.39 | resc_user_3260 | also all working is very very slow |
| 04:47.43 | karlpinc` | resc_user_3260: Is xserver-xorg installed? |
| 04:47.46 | resc_user_3260 | yes |
| 04:47.54 | resc_user_3260 | karlpinc`, yes, also sudo and vim. |
| 04:48.03 | resc_user_3260 | karlpinc`, and all etc |
| 04:48.10 | sary | Alright , so making a speedtest wirh adobe flash , the Download test passed , but the upload one is still trying to connect ! |
| 04:48.45 | maggots | resc_user_3260, try /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 04:48.54 | karlpinc` | resc_user_3260: To see what it's doing use vmstat, perhaps iostat, uptime, etc. In other words, how do you know it's slow? |
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| 04:49.46 | resc_user_3260 | karlpinc`, even nano doesnt working correctly |
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| 04:50.23 | resc_user_3260 | karlpinc`, do you know, what my root folder on df -hT looks so werid? /dev/disk/by-uuid/79041f9b-33ac-45a0-8ca0-437230f6ac9e |
| 04:50.30 | resc_user_3260 | karlpinc`, *why |
| 04:50.46 | karlpinc` | !tell resc_user_3260 about doesn't work |
| 04:51.15 | karlpinc` | resc_user_3260: It's using the uuid of the partition to ensure that no matter how the disks are detected it will use the right partition for /. |
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| 04:51.48 | resc_user_3260 | karlpinc`, so that df -hT its normal? |
| 04:52.18 | karlpinc` | resc_user_3260: Yes, although some prefer to use filesystem labels the default is uuid. |
| 04:52.36 | resc_user_3260 | karlpinc`, so I must try to start /etc/init.d/kdm? from console? |
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| 04:53.23 | resc_user_3260 | karlpinc`, but its not about kde.. for example, sudo is installed, but console thinks that sudo isnt installed |
| 04:53.29 | karlpinc` | resc_user_3260: Perhaps, if you want to try to see why X isn't working. Although I would take a look at the log before you muck about and see what that says. |
| 04:53.51 | karlpinc` | resc_user_3260: How do you know sudo isn't working? Are you in the sudoers group? |
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| 04:54.36 | resc_user_3260 | karlpinc`, "sudo command not doung". also, for example, vim installed. but its also "command not found" |
| 04:54.53 | resc_user_3260 | karlpinc`, im perfectly clear sure, that i know about /etc/sudoers :) |
| 04:55.18 | karlpinc` | resc_user_3260: doung? |
| 04:55.31 | resc_user_3260 | karlpinc`, oops. "sudo command not found" |
| 04:56.30 | karlpinc` | resc_user_3260: Perhaps /usr/ isn't mounted? Are you in the initramfs rescue shell? |
| 04:56.34 | resc_user_3260 | karlpinc`, the situation totally looks like, that i installed only basic system. but i installed all the system, including desktop environment and programms like vim |
| 04:57.21 | resc_user_3260 | karlpinc`, perhaps, its not mounted. How to check? and how to check that "initramfs rescue shell"? |
| 04:57.26 | karlpinc` | resc_user_3260: Did you get a login prompt? What was it? |
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| 04:58.06 | resc_user_3260 | karlpinc`, login promt?? yes, of course. Its look like as a normal naked linux debian console |
| 04:58.32 | karlpinc` | resc_user_3260: What does "mount" say? |
| 04:58.35 | resc_user_3260 | karlpinc`, i logined as a user, later as a root |
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| 04:58.51 | resc_user_3260 | karlpinc`, mount with which arguments exactly? |
| 04:59.03 | karlpinc` | resc_user_3260: Just like I typed it, with no arguments. |
| 04:59.25 | resc_user_3260 | karlpinc`, ok now Im gonna reboot and try it. |
| 04:59.36 | karlpinc` | resc_user_3260: Hang on. |
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| 05:00.04 | karlpinc` | resc_user_3260: You can't do irc and have the box (w. debian) in front of you? |
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| 05:00.52 | resc_user_3260 | karlpinc`, wel.. i have irc on Resatux from usb. mb i can run "mount" just from this |
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| 05:01.51 | resc_user_3260 | karlpinc`, http://pastebin.com/ifnRP2z9 thats ok? |
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| 05:04.46 | asciiker | hello |
| 05:05.09 | asciiker | can openvz be installed on Debian squeeze ? does it run well? |
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| 05:08.11 | karlpinc` | resc_user_3260: Interesting. I don't see a /usr/ partition, just / and /home/. What's all that /live stuff? |
| 05:08.34 | karlpinc` | asciiker: It's there, but depreciated for <lxc>. |
| 05:08.39 | karlpinc` | !tell asciikerabout lxc |
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| 05:09.17 | resc_user_3260 | karlpinc`, in a minute i load irc on another laptop. and will give you actual information from real system, not from livecd. |
| 05:10.14 | karlpinc | !tell asciiker about lxc |
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| 05:12.22 | asciiker | karlpinc: I didn't know about lxc, does it have a nice web gui like open vz web manager? |
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| 05:13.54 | karlpinc | asciiker: No idea. Lemme look for a factoid and you can look through the various web guis. |
| 05:14.11 | asciiker | ummm |
| 05:14.16 | asciiker | chroot on steroids |
| 05:14.18 | karlpinc | !free whcp |
| 05:14.19 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 05:14.26 | karlpinc | asciiker: Exactly. |
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| 05:16.49 | meoblast001 | nsadmin: thanks for the help btw, all works now :D |
| 05:17.04 | meoblast001 | now i have davical so i can sync my calendars |
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| 05:32.46 | mivulf | karlpinc: ok im from another laptop. could you please repeat, what i must to check? |
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| 05:59.19 | forestbird | how do I revert changes I have made with .Xdefaults? |
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| 05:59.50 | forestbird | is there some way to set the defaults? |
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| 06:14.27 | stew | forestbird: i doubt it. if there was "man xrdb" would tell you |
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| 06:15.10 | jubei | guys my newly installed box says /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated. service networking restart says the same. What's the new way to do that? |
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| 06:16.28 | joltcan | jubei: ifdown ethX, ifup ethX? |
| 06:16.37 | jubei | joltcan, really? |
| 06:16.46 | jubei | joltcan, so what if I have 20 interfaces? |
| 06:16.58 | joltcan | but honestly I don't know the real answer |
| 06:17.18 | nsadmin | write a script or a loop that iterates over interfaces in the file |
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| 06:18.06 | civillian | ifdown -a |
| 06:18.07 | civillian | ifup -a |
| 06:18.51 | nsadmin | remember to not do that while you're sshed in :) |
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| 06:19.04 | civillian | that goes without saying :) |
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| 06:24.06 | nsadmin | it goes with being disconnectedc if you're not careful :) |
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| 06:29.19 | aill | how can i strip unicode / new lines out of a string? |
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| 06:31.29 | joltcan | aill: awk might be a way to start google for it |
| 06:31.31 | cwillu_at_work | aill, define what you mean by unicode |
| 06:32.14 | nsadmin | unicode does include the nonenglish chars, and ascii, and newline |
| 06:32.15 | cwillu_at_work | (because by the normal definition, that means stripping everything) |
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| 06:32.40 | nsadmin | so you'd be stripping newline twice :) |
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| 06:47.30 | aill | cant use awk cwillu_at_work sorry didnt notice |
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| 06:50.44 | nsadmin | aill, you have a list of commands you can use? |
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| 06:54.37 | tq|Memphis | guys help asap pls |
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| 06:54.53 | tq|Memphis | what is the latest kernel version |
| 06:54.56 | tq|Memphis | i wanna update my kernel |
| 06:55.11 | iluminator105 | hi, I am looking amd 64 viostor for kvm in vfd format? |
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| 06:55.55 | nsadmin | asap is 150/hour |
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| 06:56.14 | iluminator105 | nsadmin, lol |
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| 06:56.58 | nsadmin | tq|Memphis, /msg judd kernels |
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| 06:57.18 | tq|Memphis | linux-image-xen-686 - Linux for modern PCs (meta-package), Xen dom0 support |
| 06:57.26 | tq|Memphis | what does 686 mean ? |
| 06:57.34 | nsadmin | cpu |
| 06:57.44 | tq|Memphis | i have 32bit, amd processor(phenom II i guess) |
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| 06:58.07 | nsadmin | there is a file /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 06:58.16 | tq|Memphis | thanks |
| 06:58.36 | iluminator105 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:00.08 | SLFCore | greetigs |
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| 07:02.39 | nsadmin | SLFCore, hi, welcome to debian support |
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| 07:04.23 | SLFCore | thanks nsadmin |
| 07:05.02 | SLFCore | i was wondering if there is anyone who has tried out raspbian for the raspberry pi |
| 07:05.22 | Jacta_ | moeh moeh |
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| 07:07.17 | nsadmin | oh, rasbian is a debian alike for rasberrys? |
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| 07:19.13 | testet | hooooi |
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| 07:22.09 | nsadmin | SLFCore, one thing to notice about different debian-based dists, is they have some similarities, like they might have cat, dpkg and apt-get, and (I don't know -for sure- but) my guess is there are far more differences than there are similarities... |
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| 07:23.03 | Blue1 | SLFCore: I have noted some diff between ubuntu and debian if you are interested. |
| 07:24.11 | Blue1 | SLFCore: this may/may not help -- http://pkill-9.com/mini-guide-converting-ubuntu-debian/ off to bed. |
| 07:24.40 | nsadmin | very hard for an individual to support them all. I looked (using a bot here called alis) for channels or topics that textually match rasp, raspberry, raspbian and haven't found any of that here |
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| 07:28.04 | nsadmin | you may have to search google, find mailing lists and other support channels and/or documentation... |
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| 07:28.09 | nsadmin | having said all that, |
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| 07:28.57 | nsadmin | you should consider getting a second raspberry and make sure it's what you want |
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| 07:33.09 | SPF | rasbian? |
| 07:33.19 | SPF | :) |
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| 07:33.57 | Viking667 | 'llo all. |
| 07:34.02 | nsadmin | yeah, he wanted to ask about it |
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| 07:41.05 | aill | Is there a way to have if elif etc on ONE line? it cries when then <do command> is on the smae line |
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| 07:42.50 | nsadmin | aill, what language? |
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| 08:00.44 | Sevet | aill: in bash? use semicolons, eg "if [ x ]; then echo "1"; elif [ y ]; then echo "2"; else echo "3"; fi" |
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| 08:04.21 | Viking667 | sigh. I guess I need to ask why on earth update-xapian-index takes so long on a 512Mb 1.7GHz machine. |
| 08:04.32 | Viking667 | Anything I should check out? |
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| 08:05.05 | Viking667 | On my other Ubuntu machine (dual core P4, 2 or 4Gb memory), it's far faster. |
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| 08:08.17 | Iridos | ask #ubuntu? |
| 08:08.34 | craigevil | depends on the amount and speed of the repos in your sources.list |
| 08:08.37 | nsadmin | what's xapian? |
| 08:08.51 | craigevil | !axi-cache |
| 08:08.52 | dpkg | i heard axi-cache is a very fast and very sophisticated package search program. It can search through package descriptions for sets of words as well as making use of <debtags>. Its tab-completion makes search suggestions for other words and tags found in association with the ones you have already entered. It is found in the apt-xapian-index package. Also ask me about <aptitude search>. |
| 08:08.59 | Viking667 | ffrankly, I don't know.. This machine's debian. The other one is Ubuntu. |
| 08:09.31 | Viking667 | craigevil: could you expand on your explanation? |
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| 08:09.58 | Iridos | huh, it's a package... sounded like a command to me |
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| 08:10.04 | craigevil | the more repos in your sources.list the longer it can take, also some may be slow |
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| 08:10.20 | craigevil | the google repo for instance has been screwed up lately |
| 08:10.29 | Viking667 | uhm, update-xapian-index doesn't look up sites. There's no network connection |
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| 08:11.31 | Iridos | /usr/sbin/update-apt-xapian-index |
| 08:11.37 | Iridos | that's why I didn't find it :) |
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| 08:11.53 | jagginess | craigevil, ? |
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| 08:12.08 | jagginess | craigevil, if you have far repos yes.. |
| 08:12.12 | Iridos | you left out the -apt there |
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| 08:12.32 | Viking667 | Ahh, is that what I missed too? |
| 08:12.34 | craigevil | update-apt-xapian-index uses the index that apt-get/aptitude update uses |
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| 08:13.13 | craigevil | i recently ran apt-get update, the update-apt-xapian-index took less than a second |
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| 08:13.20 | Viking667 | apt-get update does the fetching. update-apt-xapian-index seems to work with those files. What I want to know is: how the heck can I make this update thing FAR fffaster? |
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| 08:13.31 | Viking667 | ... at least on wheezy? |
| 08:14.08 | craigevil | jagginess, doesnt matter how far a repo is, ive used a university across the street that was slower than using one in netherlands |
| 08:14.09 | Iridos | here it's taking a good while even on a much faster machine... but I have squeeze + backports + wheezy + sid + DMM in my sources.list |
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| 08:14.59 | Viking667 | All I have is wheezy. |
| 08:15.42 | Viking667 | That's weird. main turns up twice. |
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| 08:16.19 | craigevil | dmm should change its name to>the super dupper multimedia extravaganza repo |
| 08:16.24 | Viking667 | I'll go edit, see what happens. |
| 08:16.30 | Iridos | dunno... run it with -u ? |
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| 08:16.56 | Iridos | craigevil, THAT'll attract more people :) |
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| 08:17.28 | craigevil | if nothing else it will stop the problems with the name |
| 08:17.29 | nsadmin | supper dupper? |
| 08:17.31 | Viking667 | that.... strange. should I have testing as well as wheezy in my sources.list? |
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| 08:18.49 | Iridos | no... it's the same right now, you should decide on one name and use it throughout |
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| 08:19.01 | nsadmin | Viking667, the thing is if you do that you'll be surprised when testing becomes a new testing after old testing is released |
| 08:19.10 | Viking667 | testing's sid, isn't it? or is sid unstable? |
| 08:19.12 | nsadmin | well, you could be surprised |
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| 08:19.26 | Viking667 | um, so what do I remove, what do I leave in? |
| 08:19.28 | Iridos | it will differ when wheezy releases and becomes stable... if you write "wheezy" you will switch to stable at that time, if you write "testing" you will start tracking whatever codename comes after wheezy in testing |
| 08:19.33 | nsadmin | sid is unstable, testing and stable floats |
| 08:19.49 | craigevil | Viking667, its taking forever to update here as well, just ran it with -f |
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| 08:20.09 | Viking667 | sigh. so, wheezy, or testing? one or the other, folks. My laptop can't take this beating every time. |
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| 08:20.48 | Iridos | Viking667, I just told you everything you need to know to decide what you want up there -----^ |
| 08:20.59 | craigevil | why are you using update-apt-xapian-index anyway? its only used for axi-cache search or the quick search in Synaptic afaik |
| 08:21.11 | Viking667 | I've got synaptic installed. |
| 08:21.46 | Viking667 | it's better than a couple of other setups I've tried using over the years. I guess I've got used to its quirks, what few it has. |
| 08:21.50 | Iridos | it's run once a week automatically... and future runs should be faster |
| 08:21.51 | craigevil | so do i but ive never used the quicksearch |
| 08:22.22 | Viking667 | I always end up using the quicksearch. Given 1774 packages installed, I like to trim down the results somewhat. |
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| 08:22.29 | Viking667 | actually, I could have more than that. |
| 08:23.12 | Iridos | craigevil, I also have it installed and didn't know about it, so something pulled it in (actually was ept-cache) |
| 08:23.17 | Viking667 | yeah, I was wrong. 36,600 packages listed. 1813 installed. |
| 08:23.48 | Viking667 | ah well. Testing it is, then. |
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| 08:24.21 | craigevil | 38,963 packages listed, 1940 installed |
| 08:24.52 | Iridos | heh |
| 08:24.58 | Iridos | what gives you those numbers? |
| 08:25.03 | craigevil | Iridos, axi-cache search is awesome |
| 08:25.14 | craigevil | Synaptic when you open it on the bottom left |
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| 08:25.43 | Viking667 | mmmm. |
| 08:25.44 | Iridos | ah, eye sea |
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| 08:25.54 | Iridos | 43312 packages listed, 3633 installed |
| 08:25.57 | Iridos | so I win? |
| 08:26.00 | Iridos | !win me |
| 08:26.00 | dpkg | Congratulations, iridos! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 08:26.00 | Viking667 | I'll just re-run apt-get update now, see how long a xapian update takes. |
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| 08:26.18 | user | hi people, i wanted to know what comandlinetools are there that i could use in oder to detect a harddrive on a computer |
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| 08:26.41 | Iridos | "detect"? |
| 08:26.43 | Viking667 | hm. lshw, possibly |
| 08:26.53 | Viking667 | check out what's in dmesg too. |
| 08:27.07 | Viking667 | why? |
| 08:27.30 | Viking667 | strange. I do an apt-get update, it pulls in all these translations. |
| 08:27.34 | nsadmin | user, yes explain whatcha doin |
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| 08:28.02 | user | Iridos: well i wanted to boot xubuntu on a machine and it didnt detect it. but when i want to install xubuntu it detects the harddrive when it comes to partitioning it |
| 08:28.04 | craigevil | Viking667, dpkg-reconfigure locales and only set it for what lang you use |
| 08:28.59 | Iridos | looks at the channel name to check if there's a "buntu" anywhere in it and fails to see one |
| 08:29.57 | craigevil | Iridos, sure grab any *buntu cd and click on xchat, seems to bring them here has for years |
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| 08:30.57 | Iridos | craigevil, what a splendid idea someone has had |
| 08:30.59 | user | nsadmin: well when i check dmesg grepping for sda* or sdb* i wont be successful but when i want to install xubuntu it finds the HD when it comes to partitioning |
| 08:31.06 | Viking667 | hm. I'll try that. |
| 08:31.21 | Viking667 | but I don't know if it'll work. I should only be using two locales anyhow. |
| 08:31.45 | Iridos | craigevil, specially, as xchat on debian as far as I remember isn't preconfigured to join anything anywhere |
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| 08:31.53 | craigevil | !tell user about ubuntu |
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| 08:32.21 | user | craigevil:? |
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| 08:33.17 | nsadmin | user, let me just understand one thing... when you say you want to boot it, is it because you took a HD and moved it to a different machine? |
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| 08:34.17 | user | nsadmin: no the HD is doesnt have any os on it, and i want to install xubuntu on it |
| 08:35.00 | nsadmin | so you install and then you can't boot what you just installed? |
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| 08:35.49 | nsadmin | btw, how large is the hd? |
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| 08:36.25 | finnomenon | I am looking for a website that let you paste the output of pciconf or something similar and then returned a list of kernel modules/drivers you were likely to need |
| 08:36.32 | finnomenon | does anybody know what I'm talking about? |
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| 08:36.57 | LordShiva | craigevil, You have great sources.list :) |
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| 08:37.22 | nsadmin | finnomenon, try aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl |
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| 08:37.52 | LordShiva | I use it extensively and have few repos in addition most noticeably codelite repo :) |
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| 08:38.12 | finnomenon | I don't currently have a debian running. I was trying to get that list beforehand |
| 08:38.19 | Iridos | finnomenon, if you run lcpci -vv you get the pciid, which you can ask judd about |
| 08:38.30 | finnomenon | ah, thank you |
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| 08:39.04 | finnomenon | I found it: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 08:39.06 | LordShiva | it is lspci -vv not lcpci -vv :D |
| 08:39.14 | Iridos | err, lspci |
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| 08:39.51 | nsadmin | the next time an irc op does anything that should be handled as a channel issue, I will file a formal, written complaint |
| 08:40.01 | nsadmin | actually it's the next time now |
| 08:41.06 | LordShiva | what you run Iridos ? |
| 08:41.46 | Iridos | ??? |
| 08:42.01 | LordShiva | What os ? |
| 08:42.27 | Viking667 | Ahh, I suspect what's happening is that apt is fetching all the translations, and xapian is using all of those for building its index. |
| 08:42.28 | LordShiva | if you run other linux you can also use lspci -vv double verbose command |
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| 08:42.40 | Iridos | err... debian squeeze? |
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| 08:42.53 | Viking667 | I ran updatelocales, I only have en_NZ.ISO8859-1 and en_NZ.UTF-8 showing here. |
| 08:42.56 | Iridos | why? |
| 08:43.03 | sweb | any package for install ffmpeg on debian with all codecs ? |
| 08:43.29 | Viking667 | sweb: package? hmm.... gstreamer-codecs might help out. |
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| 08:43.43 | Viking667 | i.e. apt-cache search gstreamer | grep codecs, see what turns up |
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| 08:43.54 | Viking667 | but there could be a better command. |
| 08:44.01 | LordShiva | I wasnt looking on irc what was your problem ? Iridos are you search for possible modules or ? |
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| 08:44.15 | sweb | Viking667: during convert some format give me an erro ... Unknown encoder 'vorbis' .... Unknown encoder 'libmp3lame' ... |
| 08:44.20 | Iridos | LordShiva, I have no problem... I was answering him |
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| 08:44.38 | LordShiva | I mean you can always get list of modules once you have system up and running you can even do that while you installing |
| 08:44.41 | Viking667 | sweb: for the first one, you want ogg, for the second one, you need lame installed, I suspect. |
| 08:44.44 | craigevil | sweb, use the dmo repo, install ffmpeg and the other packages from there |
| 08:44.51 | LordShiva | hmm ok |
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| 08:44.59 | Viking667 | sweb: uhm, oggvorbis. But what craig says is probably more relevant |
| 08:44.59 | sweb | http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ ? |
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| 08:45.13 | sweb | Viking667: i install libmp3lame0 |
| 08:45.21 | sweb | but give me an error |
| 08:45.26 | Viking667 | what was the error? |
| 08:45.26 | craigevil | sweb, yes, although lame is in the debian repos |
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| 08:45.57 | sweb | Viking667: Unknown encoder 'libmp3lame' |
| 08:45.58 | Viking667 | Cor. 16 minutes to update |
| 08:46.03 | tq|Memphis | hi guys, i am looking for "skype" and "ammy" or "teamviewer" kind of programs |
| 08:46.04 | tq|Memphis | for linux |
| 08:46.11 | Viking667 | sweb: that's something else giving that error. |
| 08:46.17 | tq|Memphis | sometimes i have to connect my friends pc(win) |
| 08:46.20 | Viking667 | anyhow, I need to depart. |
| 08:46.23 | tq|Memphis | is there any? |
| 08:46.46 | craigevil | tq|Memphis, download both skype and teamviewer7 from their websites both work just fine in Debian |
| 08:46.47 | Viking667 | ... but I need to find out how to get apt NOT to fetch all the translations... I just want English. |
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| 08:46.57 | tq|Memphis | oh ty |
| 08:47.18 | sweb | Viking667: http://pastie.org/private/wxx1ahodvg0r413udbntsg |
| 08:47.30 | Viking667 | can't grab the link from this window, sorry. |
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| 08:47.36 | Viking667 | hang on, I'll switch machines. |
| 08:48.30 | Viking667 | hm. Try -acodec mp3lame |
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| 08:49.08 | Viking667 | uh, actually, I'll go check that myself. |
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| 08:50.48 | Viking667 | hm. Weird. I can't find that here. |
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| 08:51.32 | Viking667 | nope, looks like I was wrong. What are you wanting to record? |
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| 08:52.56 | Viking667 | weird. Mine works... |
| 08:53.09 | Viking667 | I just tried your commandline, and got a converted file with no errors. |
| 08:53.25 | Viking667 | sweb: yoo hoo?? |
| 08:53.42 | sweb | Viking667: ... :( |
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| 08:53.58 | Viking667 | scratches his head. |
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| 08:54.11 | sweb | Viking667: sorry... i dont wth happened to my packages ... |
| 08:54.58 | Viking667 | so. You've installed libmp3lame0. What does dpkg -L libmp3lame0 show? |
| 08:55.08 | Viking667 | (don't past that here, just tell me if it's got files) |
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| 08:56.13 | Viking667 | I've got /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libmp3lame.so.0.0.0 and libmp3lame.so.0, as well as other supporting files |
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| 08:58.34 | Viking667 | sweb: where did you fetch your ffmpeg from? |
| 08:58.52 | Viking667 | sweb: wheezy's ffmpeg and libmp3lame0 seem to work fine. |
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| 08:58.56 | sweb | Viking667: official ubuntu pacakges |
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| 08:59.31 | Viking667 | sweb: eeee. Well, you should have asked THAT question in Ubuntu then. I ran the same command under both Ubuntu (11.10) and Debian (wheezy) |
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| 09:00.22 | sweb | Viking667: updated http://pastie.org/private/wxx1ahodvg0r413udbntsg |
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| 09:01.15 | poldinho92 | salve |
| 09:01.18 | poldinho92 | !list |
| 09:01.18 | dpkg | poldinho92: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 09:01.43 | konverguoju | hello, guys, dunno if I should ask this in gnome3 channel or elsewhere, but where are the screenshots now stored? |
| 09:01.56 | konverguoju | *stored now |
| 09:02.45 | Viking667 | I thought they were stored in the home directory. |
| 09:02.59 | Viking667 | Try that, or in $HOME/Pictures |
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| 09:03.44 | konverguoju | right, its the Pictures :D, thanks :) |
| 09:04.15 | Viking667 | 's okay. |
| 09:04.41 | Viking667 | sweb: you haven't upgraded to 11.10 yet? (or 12.04) |
| 09:04.59 | Viking667 | sweb: and yes, this is #debian, not #ubuntu |
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| 09:05.11 | trysten | where am i |
| 09:05.16 | trysten | i thought this was ##defocus |
| 09:05.30 | sweb | Viking667: i'm so busy i want to migradat to debian as desktop also |
| 09:05.34 | Viking667 | trysten: sigh. |
| 09:06.10 | Viking667 | sweb: hm. Well, I have no troubles running ffmpeg here. I'm surprised, I didn't expect to have it installed on my laptop but I do. |
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| 09:07.05 | Viking667 | anyhow, how do I make apt-get only fetch the primary language, instead of all the Translation indexes as well? |
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| 09:10.26 | themill | !apt translation |
| 09:10.27 | dpkg | From wheezy onwards, the long description of the packages is moved out of the Packages files on the mirrors and placed instead in a Translation-en file in the same way as translated package descriptions are stored. To configure which languages to download, see Acquire::Languages in apt.conf(5). |
| 09:10.51 | Viking667 | ahhh, right. Thank you. I wasn't even aware that existed. |
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| 09:12.46 | Viking667 | Right. So should I manually remove those language files I don't want, then add that directive to my apt.conf? |
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| 09:12.55 | Viking667 | ... then re-run apt-get update? |
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| 09:14.40 | themill | I wouldn't expect you'd need to manually remove files |
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| 09:16.47 | Viking667 | hm. |
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| 09:18.46 | Viking667 | sigh. |
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| 09:20.06 | Viking667 | yup, I needed to remove files ... or at least move them out of the way. |
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| 09:21.39 | nsadmin | Viking667, so would it be fair to say these files were placed there by (some form of) aptitude or apt-get? |
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| 09:23.09 | Viking667 | yeah. apt-get |
| 09:23.46 | nsadmin | hmm. it wouold be good to fix that before the freeze if possible |
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| 09:24.35 | BCMM | Is there a way to request backports? I have a system that runs Squeeze, and it has LibreOffice from from backports (due to a bug in line-wrapping in OpenOffice). LibreOffice triggers a bug in squeeze's version of lxpanel, which is well-known and fixed in the latest version. Is there a way to request that the latest lxpanel is added to backports? |
| 09:24.41 | Viking667 | I added the directive to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ as a separate file, and removed the irrelevant files. Now an update-apt-xapian-index takes 2m37 seconds, much more manageable. |
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| 09:25.07 | themill | Viking667: what sort of hardware are you running this on? That's crazy. |
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| 09:25.43 | Viking667 | laptop, 512MB memory, with Pentium M 1.7GHz cpu |
| 09:26.06 | Viking667 | sorry, 1.5 GHz |
| 09:26.25 | themill | you might want to remove the apt-xapian-package on something that old... it's useful but not 2m37 useful. |
| 09:26.28 | Viking667 | It was taking 37 minutes |
| 09:26.47 | themill | presumably thrashing |
| 09:26.52 | Viking667 | so 2m27 is a considerable improvement. |
| 09:26.57 | Viking667 | probably. |
| 09:26.57 | nsadmin | BCMM, for trivial packages (the more I look, there are less of them...) you could try the backport yourself |
| 09:27.27 | BCMM | i'm kind of new to all of this, but i suppose i could try |
| 09:27.50 | BCMM | nsadmin: the thing is, this can't be the only system effected by this |
| 09:28.15 | Viking667 | anyhow, I'm going to reboot this. |
| 09:28.19 | BCMM | lxde and libreoffice must be a fairly common configuration for word-processing on slow hardware? |
| 09:28.41 | nsadmin | could be |
| 09:28.50 | Viking667 | BCMM: what facilities do you want in your "word processor"? |
| 09:28.53 | BCMM | (it's my mother's computer btw, so it's fairly hard for me to find time to tinker/build packages on it) |
| 09:29.08 | BCMM | Viking667: MS office compatibility i'm afraid |
| 09:29.14 | Viking667 | ah, right. |
| 09:29.52 | BCMM | it's either an openoffice derivative or MS Office in cxoffice |
| 09:29.56 | nsadmin | BCMM, which packages would you be interested in backporting or having backported? |
| 09:30.00 | BCMM | nsadmin: lxpanel |
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| 09:30.16 | nsadmin | that belongs to lxde? |
| 09:30.24 | Viking667 | I believe it does, yes. |
| 09:30.26 | BCMM | nsadmin: yeah; it's LXDE's panel |
| 09:30.46 | BCMM | nsadmin: there is a well-known bug in which certain versions of lxpanel hang up when closing LO windows |
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| 09:31.44 | BCMM | Viking667: (and the latest version of openoffice in squeeze has a bug where a closing bracket can get line-wrapped on to the line after the word before it, so i thought why not move to LO and get the branding change over with)# |
| 09:31.53 | Viking667 | Right. |
| 09:32.07 | BCMM | avoiding change is an important part of this system, as i said, it's for my mother |
| 09:32.22 | Viking667 | I haven't seen any of this. But then I haven't touched debian since potato, until I put wheezy on here. |
| 09:32.40 | BCMM | who has simple computing requirements and really doesn't like it her computer changes needlessly |
| 09:32.51 | nsadmin | hmm... so if you're new to a lot of this, you might hold off on trying to backport yourself, and I'm saying that because as lxpanel is part of a larger group of packages, and as far as we know right now the dep tree relating them is arbitrary, it might get hairy and involved |
| 09:32.53 | Viking667 | Understandably. My wife has the same issues. |
| 09:33.18 | BCMM | nsadmin: LXDE is intentionally pretty dependancy-light |
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| 09:33.26 | Viking667 | Anyhow, you lot have suitably addressed my problemI 've been having for ... well, since I installed wheezy. |
| 09:33.35 | Viking667 | BCMM: hahahahahahahahahaha.... yeah, right. |
| 09:34.06 | Viking667 | unless I'm confusing it with some other dm featuring a rat as its' logo... |
| 09:34.26 | Viking667 | i.e. xfce |
| 09:34.32 | BCMM | perhaps i am incorrect. sorry. |
| 09:34.43 | Viking667 | you may actually be correct. |
| 09:34.56 | BCMM | but in any case its components are not tightly integrated - i don't see why it would be a problem to run a newer lxpanel with older other stuff |
| 09:34.58 | Viking667 | if I'm confusing xfce for lxde, then I have to apologise |
| 09:35.33 | Viking667 | anyhow, I'm outta here. |
| 09:35.55 | nsadmin | xfce is somewhat small; I |
| 09:35.57 | BCMM | nsadmin: lxpanel doesn't have any tight, specific WM integration - lxde uses openbox as the default wm |
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| 09:36.05 | ownStars | hi, i have a wireless connection working on a netbook and a pc with a wireless card which is not yet working at installation time. i have the router too far to get a lan cable. i'd like to know if it's possibile to bridge the two networks so that i can use the wireless connection to the pc though the lan, any hints? |
| 09:36.12 | nsadmin | am given to understand lxde is smaller |
| 09:36.27 | BCMM | lxde is lighter on resources than xfce, and as for resources i think both of them just need GTK and some pretty normal libs |
| 09:37.00 | trysten | ownStars: probably possible |
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| 09:37.20 | BCMM | nsadmin: without having a standard debian box to hand right now, is there a way i can check the dependancies of lxpanel? |
| 09:37.22 | ownStars | trysten: do you know how? the pc should see the netbook as a router |
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| 09:37.43 | nsadmin | let's see, |
| 09:38.10 | nsadmin | , depends lxpanel --release=wheezy |
| 09:38.12 | judd | Package lxpanel in wheezy/i386 -- depends: libasound2 (>= 1.0.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>= 2.7), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.9.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.31.8), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0), libiw30 (>= 30~pre1), libmenu-cache1, libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libwnck22 (>= 2.30.0-3), libx11-6, lxmenu-data. |
| 09:38.34 | BCMM | judd: thanks! |
| 09:38.44 | nsadmin | that's what it depends on |
| 09:38.52 | BCMM | i'm talking to a bot aren't i? nsadmin: thanks |
| 09:39.08 | nsadmin | dpkg, bot? |
| 09:39.08 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 09:39.20 | themill | judd: bot |
| 09:39.21 | judd | No, I'm not a bot, I'm a frontend to a database. |
| 09:39.24 | BCMM | , depends lxpanel --release=squeeze |
| 09:39.25 | judd | Package lxpanel in squeeze/i386 -- depends: libasound2 (>> 1.0.18), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.29.3), libc6 (>= 2.7), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.8.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libmenu-cache1, libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libx11-6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), lxmenu-data. |
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| 09:40.15 | trysten | ownStars: i've tried to do this before, using iptables. it's a little complicated. i'm researching it now. |
| 09:40.23 | nsadmin | BCMM, you can also explore by /msg... like, /msg judd depends lxpanel --rel... |
| 09:40.43 | Iridos | ownStars, it's probably more effort to do this than to carry your desktop to the router, though |
| 09:40.45 | BCMM | nsadmin: any idea why the squeeze package seems to have generally more recent deps than the wheezy one? |
| 09:40.47 | ownStars | trysten: yes i guess it's iptables stuff |
| 09:41.03 | ownStars | ownStars: oh i prefer not..there's a lot of stuff connected |
| 09:41.06 | McDebian | i'm creating some shortcuts to apps in xfce, and went into usr/bin to create a shortcut to thunar, but there's two thunar entries in that folder, one with lowercase t and one with upeercase t, what is the difference between these two? |
| 09:41.36 | ownStars | trysten: but the idea should be like, 192.168.1.0 (wireless network) 10.0.0.0 (wired network) |
| 09:41.51 | ownStars | on the pc, set the netbook ip as router |
| 09:41.54 | Iridos | ownStars, you can do a basic install from CD1 then figure out what's wrong with the wireless... also, might just be firmware or the need for a newer kernel on install and there's unofficial images for both of these |
| 09:42.07 | nsadmin | BCMM, no, not sure |
| 09:42.24 | ownStars | than it's all on the netbook to route packages directed to 10.0.0.0 to 192.168.1.0 |
| 09:43.30 | Iridos | ownStars, there's also a lot of stuff connected with setting up bridging, IIRC :) (and bridging would be transparent, your desktop would still use the regular router and not see the laptop) |
| 09:44.02 | nsadmin | BCMM, themill has an amazing amount of very specific experience... maybe he can tell us whether a backport of lxpanel would be easy |
| 09:44.11 | trysten | ownStars: yeah, it would be easier to figure out what's wrong with the wireless. but i'm still going to research it as an exercise. |
| 09:44.14 | Iridos | anyway, if you don't do it for the additional learning experience I advise against it :) |
| 09:44.23 | trysten | chuckles |
| 09:44.33 | BCMM | nsadmin: it seems that the latest debian packages require a later version of GTK and glib than squeeze has |
| 09:44.43 | BCMM | which is a big deal if they don't build against older versions |
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| 09:45.08 | BCMM | nsadmin: he's marked away, but thanks |
| 09:45.30 | nsadmin | BCMM, yes; that part is pretty definitive and would make the backport a lot of work |
| 09:45.54 | BCMM | could that be because that package is built against a later version though? |
| 09:46.03 | themill | BCMM: the package looks easy enough to compile as a backport. I can't tell you whether newer lxpanel would work with the rest of the de. |
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| 09:47.14 | BCMM | themill: lxde isn't really integrated. it don't think it even expects to be kept in sync with the WM version, since it just uses OpenBox as a WM |
| 09:47.24 | BCMM | (and a WM is the only bit a panel really integrates with) |
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| 09:48.51 | themill | If it uses things like dbus for talking to other components, then the version requirements of that tend to be expressed quite poorly in the versioned (build-)dependencies. If it doesn't do that it would probably work fine. You'll have to try it. |
| 09:49.01 | BCMM | themill: in fact the website says "Every component can be used independently from other components of LXDE offering the flexibility to use LXDE parts with different Unix like systems." |
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| 09:49.22 | BCMM | themill: what i mean is, lxpanel doesn't actually require other parts of lxde |
| 09:49.44 | themill | being able to be used independently and behaving correctly when they are both installed are different things |
| 09:50.04 | BCMM | themill: yes, i suppose they are. but in general there is not really integration |
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| 09:51.08 | BCMM | to my knowledge, the only LXDE-specific component that lxpanel interacts with is lxsession, when it provides shutdown options, and even that is done in a freedesktop sort of way |
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| 09:51.46 | BCMM | themill: anyway, is there any way to request or propose packages for backports? as it stands, there is a serious bug with using backported libreoffice |
| 09:52.13 | BCMM | or is it mainly a matter of people making backported packages work before filing a bug? |
| 09:52.51 | themill | BCMM: the libreoffice maintainer has previously said he won't be backporting newer versions of it. If you want to request an lxpanel backport, then write to the mailing list as you said earlier. |
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| 09:53.32 | themill | If you can say "I tried it out and it worked great" in your email, then even better. (Cc:ing the maintainer of the package when you write to the mailing list is smart, as they are the people most likely to make the backport) |
| 09:53.52 | BCMM | themill: the libreoffice in backports works fine, it just triggers a bug in lxpanel, and i don't think i mentioned a mailing list - which one do you mean |
| 09:54.22 | themill | !bpo users |
| 09:54.22 | dpkg | Questions and problems with <debian-backports> packages can also be addressed to the debian-backports mailing list. Subscription and archives: http://lists.debian.org/debian-backports/ . Please report discovered bugs to the mailing list, not the Debian <BTS>. You can also ask in #debian-backports on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org). |
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| 09:55.49 | BCMM | themill: ah, thanks. would this issue between a backported package and the latest stable version of another package be considered a backports issue? |
| 09:56.46 | themill | I suspect the only way this is going to get fixed is by asking for a backport of lxpanel where this isn't a problem, or by running wheezy. |
| 09:57.47 | BCMM | themill: yes, that's what i thought. i suppose i'm asking whether it's polite/appropriate for me to mention it on the mailing list (i'm kind of unfamiliar with the debian community) |
| 09:58.09 | themill | stating that this is why you want the backport is quite sensible |
| 09:58.22 | BCMM | thanks |
| 09:58.28 | nsadmin | themill, and, not going to fix the stable lxpanel because it's not important enough? |
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| 09:59.21 | sweb | craigevil: i add deb multimedia in debian sources ... i must just install ffmpeg ? |
| 09:59.22 | BCMM | nsadmin: as far as i have seen on lxde forums and so on, the problem is specifically only triggered by LO (god knows why), and LO is not available in stable without backports |
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| 10:00.24 | nsadmin | ok, that unconfuses me on that part |
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| 10:02.16 | craigevil | sweb, apt-get install ffmpeg lame , what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 10:02.29 | themill | sweb: which release of debian are you using? |
| 10:02.32 | trysten | how can i tell if a cd is blank |
| 10:02.47 | sweb | craigevil: i need fully functionality for converting all audio and videos |
| 10:03.16 | sweb | themill: Distributor ID:Debian Description:Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.5 (squeeze) Release:6.0.5 Codename:squeeze |
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| 10:03.45 | craigevil | sweb, from CLI or are you wanting to use a GUI like winff or soundconverter |
| 10:03.53 | themill | there's no need to go to deb-multimedia.org then, and your life will be simpler if you do not. |
| 10:04.00 | sweb | craigevil: cli based ... |
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| 10:04.02 | themill | ,v ffmpeg --release squeeze-backports |
| 10:04.04 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 4:0.8-2~bpo60+1 |
| 10:04.20 | sweb | i use deb multimedia .org |
| 10:04.24 | themill | notes that ffmpeg is newer than the one on deb-multimedia.org anyway |
| 10:04.27 | sweb | use testing version .. |
| 10:04.48 | themill | sweb: (a) don't mix releases and (b) don't use deb-multimedia.org |
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| 10:05.13 | sweb | themill: no ... testing version from deb multimedia |
| 10:05.20 | sweb | just it |
| 10:05.24 | themill | sweb: right. don't mix releases. |
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| 10:06.33 | nyuszika7h | Hi, I have some questions. |
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| 10:06.43 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 10:06.51 | nyuszika7h | (1) How can I specify that X should start on tty7 or any available tty, but only AFTER tty7? |
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| 10:07.05 | nuffigel | hey guys, how can I list all packages from a specific apt source (one of the sources in sources.list)? |
| 10:07.06 | nyuszika7h | (2) Why does xinit say I'm not authorized to start the X server when it runs from cron (@reboot /usr/bin/xinit)? |
| 10:07.12 | sweb | which one will be installed ? http://pastie.org/private/gcaepixn8jbf7kpinanq |
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| 10:07.50 | nsadmin | as far as (1) that's what it does already, because 6 ttys are created first |
| 10:07.52 | nyuszika7h | (1) p.s.: Preferably some permanent setting (e.g. xorg.conf) |
| 10:08.03 | ChrisH | sweb: try apt-cache policy ffmpeg |
| 10:08.08 | nyuszika7h | nsadmin: Apparently it replaces getty for me on tty2, tty4 or something like that |
| 10:08.29 | nsadmin | then x takes the first unused vc |
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| 10:08.48 | nsadmin | nyuszika7h, what release are you running? |
| 10:08.58 | nyuszika7h | Sid, and yes I know it's unstable... |
| 10:09.01 | themill | nuffigel: this information isn't recorded; you can only try to work out where that same package would be installed from were you to try to install it right now. /msg dpkg which repo |
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| 10:09.41 | sweb | i think i have a trouble ... http://pastie.org/private/gcaepixn8jbf7kpinanq ... squeeze-backports is newer than deb multimedia org |
| 10:09.46 | nsadmin | nyuszika7h, hmm. that's news to me... does sid still use /etc/inittab? |
| 10:10.07 | nyuszika7h | I use systemd, which doesn't use /etc/inittab. |
| 10:10.16 | themill | sweb: what's your actual question? |
| 10:10.40 | nyuszika7h | getty is started on ttys 1-6 though, but I see a short screen flash when first activating the ttys. |
| 10:10.51 | nyuszika7h | s/ though// |
| 10:10.54 | nsadmin | nyuszika7h, so I don't know for sure how systemd works... but it's possible it's influential |
| 10:11.05 | p00d73 | nyuszika7h, I just dropped in but I read you have problems with init in sid, is that correct? |
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| 10:11.35 | nyuszika7h | p00d73: I use systemd |
| 10:11.48 | nsadmin | p00d73, he wants to make sure X starts on vc7 |
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| 10:12.14 | p00d73 | Ah okay, sorry for interrupting, but I just fixed my problems with sysvinit on sid, I thought it might have been similar |
| 10:12.15 | nuffigel | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:12.19 | nuffigel | hu? |
| 10:12.20 | nsadmin | instead, it somehow replaces the getty on tty2 |
| 10:12.24 | sweb | themill: newwer version must be candidate ... isnt true ? |
| 10:12.35 | themill | dpkg: tell nuffigel about which repo |
| 10:12.52 | nuffigel | themill: neat bot ^^ |
| 10:13.06 | themill | sweb: it is there. (as I said, get rid of deb-multimedia) |
| 10:13.08 | Llywelyn | Hi everybody, quick question is it possible to "clean" my debian system to the original install ? I kind of screwed my system up installing GNOME and doing a full other install takes a while... |
| 10:14.02 | nsadmin | Llywelyn, the easiest way would be to keep a backup image that is where you want |
| 10:14.32 | nyuszika7h | Llywelyn: What do you mean by "screwed your system up"? |
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| 10:14.36 | Llywelyn | nsadmin: you mean a ghost image ? how would i do that ? (so i'd have to install everything back and be careful to do a backup asap ?) |
| 10:14.45 | p00d73 | Llywelyn: nsadmin's solution is best, but if you don't have a backup, you can still purge all components except the core packages and "restart" |
| 10:14.56 | nsadmin | or just a backup copy of some form |
| 10:15.09 | Llywelyn | nyuszika7h: well the graphic card (very old 8Mb one) doesn't function on my DE |
| 10:15.10 | nsadmin | I like tarballs per storage vol |
| 10:15.28 | themill | Llywelyn: gnome settings are in your user's home directory so reinstalling packages won't change those (broken) settings |
| 10:15.36 | nyuszika7h | Llywelyn: sudo aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-all # tried that? |
| 10:15.40 | craigevil | or use clonezilla |
| 10:15.52 | p00d73 | Llywelyn: in that case you don't need to do a full system resore, just delete the DE |
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| 10:16.09 | Llywelyn | p00d73: so how would I purge everything ? will i keep the essential packages that are not present in the minimal install iso ? |
| 10:16.19 | nuffigel | themill: is this only for installed packages? If so, is there also a way to know what packages an apt-source holds? |
| 10:16.29 | Llywelyn | themill: yes but as I have a 233mhz cpu i'd like to switch to fluxbox |
| 10:16.40 | p00d73 | Llywelyn: that's only necessary if you have breakages you can't find. Here you know it's the DE |
| 10:16.49 | Llywelyn | nyuszika7h: plugging my pc on, wait a min |
| 10:16.50 | p00d73 | is it GNOME3? |
| 10:17.09 | Llywelyn | i think so, i've installed it a while ago, have to boot it to check again |
| 10:17.14 | themill | Llywelyn: /msg dpkg uninstall everything |
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| 10:17.26 | Llywelyn | might be XFCE as well |
| 10:17.53 | Llywelyn | themill: exact command is "sudo dpkg uninstall everything" ? |
| 10:18.04 | themill | nuffigel: source packages don't get installed |
| 10:18.16 | themill | heh no |
| 10:18.25 | nyuszika7h | Llywelyn: Ok, I'll go to eat lunch now, but I'll get back to you soon. |
| 10:18.25 | nsadmin | Llywelyn, no, you ask the bot that phrase |
| 10:18.30 | themill | dpkg: tell Llywelyn about uninstall everything |
| 10:18.34 | themill | Llywelyn: what dpkg just told you |
| 10:20.02 | p00d73 | Llywelyn: I'd try to purge gnome first, "apt-get purge gnome*" |
| 10:20.29 | p00d73 | and after that "apt-get --purge autoremove" |
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| 10:20.47 | p00d73 | (from a console ofcourse) |
| 10:21.02 | nuffigel | themill: sorry, I don't understand your last line; I'm not trying to compile anything if that's what you think; I just want a list of packages available from a specific apt-source even if they are not installed |
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| 10:21.39 | themill | nuffigel: oh, I see. I thought you were talking about source packages not sources of packages. |
| 10:21.58 | nuffigel | themill: yeah, I found it hard to distinguish the two when googling also |
| 10:22.08 | themill | nuffigel: this depends on how the repo is set up. Which repositories are you looking at? |
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| 10:22.38 | Llywelyn | p00d73: thanks for the info, i'm checking which DE i have (hard to tell with a black screen...) |
| 10:22.52 | Llywelyn | themill: ok wait a sec please :) |
| 10:23.14 | nuffigel | themill: well the story is, I want to install ecomorph and ecomp to my wheezy so I tried a wild guess and added "deb http://packages.enlightenment.org/debian wheezy main extras" to my sources.list |
| 10:23.43 | p00d73 | Llywelyn use "dpkg --get-selections | grep xfce4" and "dpkg --get-selections | grep gnome" |
| 10:23.55 | p00d73 | (and please don't post the output here :) ) |
| 10:24.10 | nuffigel | themill: on the e17 web page they only have sources up until squeeze so I wanted to see whether just the webpage is outdated and just tried |
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| 10:25.17 | nuffigel | back in a minute |
| 10:25.53 | nyuszika7h | dpkg: tell nyuszika7h about uninstall everything |
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| 10:26.59 | themill | nuffigel: there is no wheezy repo there, but there is a sid one. |
| 10:27.48 | nyuszika7h | I just ran aptitude update and got this: |
| 10:27.50 | nyuszika7h | W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.hu.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_main_i18n_Translation-en: Hash Sum mismatch |
| 10:27.52 | nyuszika7h | W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.hu.debian.org_debian_dists_experimental_main_i18n_Translation-en: Hash Sum mismatch |
| 10:27.54 | nyuszika7h | E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 10:27.56 | nyuszika7h | E: Couldn't rebuild package cache |
| 10:28.04 | themill | nyuszika7h: don't paste here, thanks. |
| 10:28.09 | nyuszika7h | Sorry |
| 10:28.31 | craigevil | use a diff repo or wait and try to update later |
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| 11:10.27 | luk- | Hi, i want install fglrx driver, what package i must pin? Only xserver-xorg-core? |
| 11:11.37 | trysten | pin? |
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| 11:24.05 | trysten | how can i tell what groups exist? |
| 11:24.31 | p00d73 | trysten: you mean channels on this IRC? |
| 11:24.41 | p00d73 | Or groups on your system? |
| 11:24.43 | trysten | no, groups on a debian system |
| 11:24.44 | trysten | yes |
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| 11:25.16 | nuffigel | themill: so sid is compatible with wheezy? |
| 11:25.26 | boudiccas | no |
| 11:25.37 | p00d73 | trysten look in /etc/group |
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| 11:25.58 | trysten | thank you |
| 11:26.02 | boudiccas | sid is testing, wheezy is mainly unstable |
| 11:26.12 | ChrisH | trysten: if no externel sources involved: more /etc/group if external sources are in place like NIS, LDAP, ... try getent group |
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| 11:26.35 | p00d73 | boudiccas: other way around, wheezy is the upcoming release that's now in testing, sid is permanently unstable |
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| 11:26.55 | boudiccas | close but no cigar for me :) |
| 11:27.33 | nuffigel | so, do you guys know where I could get an ecomp & ecomorph for wheezy then? |
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| 11:28.05 | trysten | ok what about users? how can i tell what users exist on the system? |
| 11:28.45 | ChrisH | trysten: similar: more /etc/passed or getent passwd |
| 11:28.59 | nuffigel | someone told me to try the ubuntu repos, however, I haven't got the slightest what ubuntu version is compatible with wheezy and whatnot... |
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| 11:29.25 | boudiccas | no ubuntu is compatible with wheezy, period! |
| 11:29.30 | p00d73 | nuffigel: ***DON'T*** |
| 11:29.39 | trysten | Thanks ChrisH |
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| 11:30.28 | p00d73 | nuffigel: what's the name of the package you need? Ubuntu doesn't have an ecomp or ecomorph |
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| 11:31.28 | p00d73 | and neither does Debian |
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| 11:32.16 | nuffigel | p00d73: there are packages for debian lenny, squeeze, and sid here: http://packages.enlightenment.org/ |
| 11:33.06 | nuffigel | okay, it's nothing official, but still, there are packages for both ecomp and ecomorph for these 3 distros |
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| 11:33.22 | p00d73 | well, then what's the problem? you got the package already? |
| 11:33.43 | nuffigel | nope, I'm running wheezy, not either of these 3 |
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| 11:34.16 | p00d73 | the page is outdated, Lenny is old-stable and Squeeze is stable |
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| 11:34.34 | p00d73 | have you tried adding those repos and replacing "squeeze" by "wheey"? |
| 11:34.41 | p00d73 | *wheezy |
| 11:34.45 | Daedeloth | so. I need to setup port forwarding on my router (of which I don't know the brand) and I only have access to one of the computers in the network. I've already tried lynx-ing to the admin panel but I guess they use some crazy javascritp shizzle |
| 11:34.52 | Daedeloth | any ideas on how I could set up port forwarding? ^^ |
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| 11:35.02 | nuffigel | p00d73: yes, thats what I did, but how do I know whether it worked? |
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| 11:35.32 | nuffigel | themill said: (12:26:59 PM) themill: nuffigel: there is no wheezy repo there, but there is a sid one. |
| 11:35.32 | trysten | Daedeloth: use X11 forwarding to open up a graphical browser on your desktop from the computer you have access to. |
| 11:35.35 | p00d73 | nuffigel: if you get errors during "apt-get update" telling you that repo doesn't exist, it didn't work |
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| 11:36.12 | Daedeloth | X11 over ssh? |
| 11:36.22 | trysten | Daedeloth: that's the idea, yeah. |
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| 11:36.28 | Daedeloth | hm, need to google that :) |
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| 11:38.03 | nuffigel | p00d73: yeah, its 404 :( |
| 11:38.32 | deeLer | I have a linux script that outputs an integer/value every minute ; is there a webservice that allows me to post that value and returns me a nice graph ? |
| 11:38.43 | deeLer | with a timestamp on the X axis |
| 11:39.05 | p00d73 | nuffigel: okay, I'd try the Squeeze repos if I were you, *BUT* check what apt says it's going to install |
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| 11:40.01 | p00d73 | these repos seem to be outdated. If the Squeeze packages have broken dependencies, *then* I'd try the sid repo |
| 11:42.59 | nuffigel | p00d73: I was also thinking of maybe using the eLive repos, is that also a no-go? |
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| 11:45.31 | p00d73 | nuffigel: the elive repos are snapshots of debian ones, so that shouldn't be too much of a problem. Just make sure it doesn't downgrade anything else. (also I have no experience with how up-to-date they are) |
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| 11:46.04 | nuffigel | okay, p00d73 thanks for the help, I think I have some angles to work with now :] |
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| 11:46.59 | p00d73 | nuffigel: you're welcome. Be careful! |
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| 12:20.42 | t7 | where do i get iconv from |
| 12:20.48 | t7 | (developer files) |
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| 12:23.09 | themill | t7: what is it you're looking for? Is there a specific error message you can show us in a pastebin? |
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| 12:25.01 | t7 | i read it wrong |
| 12:25.04 | t7 | ignore me |
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| 12:34.49 | carnivale | ssss |
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| 12:42.18 | homes | quick question: i've always assumed the debian installer presumed the network was insecure, is that the case? |
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| 12:42.45 | themill | homes: it cryptographically checks everything it downloads, if that's what you mean |
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| 12:43.15 | homes | and doesn't accept any new keys without them being signed by existing, presumably |
| 12:43.54 | homes | about to do a netinst install over a public wireless network is all |
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| 12:46.08 | themill | the keys to check the repository are on the CD image which I assume you already have and have verified yourself. The debian-archive-keyring package also contains those keys and will be installed as part of the installation process. |
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| 12:47.18 | themill | that package is on the CD and also on the repo; the keys you have there can verify that the repo is the one you want to talk. For more details, /msg dpkg secure apt |
| 12:48.06 | homes | thanks :) |
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| 12:50.49 | uwjweq | Hello. What is the default root password for postgres. |
| 12:51.25 | deeLer | found librato , unfortunatly it's a paid service ... oh well |
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| 12:53.20 | DelphiWorld | hi people |
| 12:53.21 | DelphiWorld | debootstrap --arch i386 squeeze /mnt/cf http://ftp.de.debian.org |
| 12:53.21 | DelphiWorld | d |
| 12:53.25 | DelphiWorld | am i correct? |
| 12:53.32 | DelphiWorld | unable to retriev release file |
| 12:53.35 | Entroacceptor | uwjweq: su postgres |
| 12:53.52 | Entroacceptor | default root is the system user |
| 12:54.29 | uwjweq | Entroacceptor: Nice. Thank you very much. |
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| 12:55.56 | themill | DelphiWorld: you probably need a "/debian" at the end of that mirror specification |
| 12:56.17 | DelphiWorld | themill: true, that was i'l doing now, thank you DUDE |
| 12:56.31 | themill | DelphiWorld: have fun :) |
| 12:56.42 | DelphiWorld | themill: :-P |
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| 12:58.18 | DelphiWorld | themill: when i go to do Grub while ping you;) |
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| 13:00.05 | homes | hmm, so given md5 is pretty broken, i notice the Release file still uses md5, which is as mentioned on the secure apt page quite broken, is there some piece of the security puzzle i'm missing? are packages also signed and consequently a malicious Release file isn't the end of te world? |
| 13:00.40 | jargon- | how do i get autofs to mount home for only eve, and not for jane or bob or anyone else, even though they all have logins? |
| 13:00.51 | themill | homes: Release is also using sha1sum and sha256sum. |
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| 13:00.55 | ansgar | homes: Look closer. There is not only md5. |
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| 13:01.20 | homes | ahh, thanks, i didn't scroll down :) |
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| 13:01.21 | kupo | why does debian installer install popularity contest even though I tell it not to |
| 13:01.23 | themill | ansgar: does apt check all three? (I've never checked) |
| 13:01.24 | kupo | ? |
| 13:01.39 | themill | kupo: you told it not to send data, not to refrain from installing |
| 13:01.55 | kupo | themill: ahh |
| 13:02.09 | kupo | that's strange |
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| 13:02.32 | ansgar | themill: I don't know about apt. dak does for uploads. |
| 13:02.37 | DelphiWorld | themill, are you a official debian contributor? |
| 13:02.58 | ansgar | themill: But checksums-sha256 is not so useful given that the signature for the Release file only uses sha1 ;) |
| 13:03.04 | themill | ansgar: heh |
| 13:03.32 | themill | DelphiWorld: one of about 2000 maintainers, yes. |
| 13:03.38 | DelphiWorld | themill: :P |
| 13:03.50 | DelphiWorld | themill: just wondred why there's not ftp.dz.debian.org ! |
| 13:03.56 | Cyclohexane | how do i fix: E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'exim4-daemon-light'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
| 13:04.25 | pandaubuntu | hi, i use debian wheezy 64bit whit kde, it all ok but i doesn't find the workspace widget, i installed plasma-widgets-workspace but i doesn't see it |
| 13:04.30 | themill | Cyclohexane: can you tell us how you've ended up there? |
| 13:04.40 | Cyclohexane | aptitude install exim4 |
| 13:04.52 | Cyclohexane | from root |
| 13:04.53 | themill | Cyclohexane: and you currently had some other mta like ssmtp installed? |
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| 13:04.58 | Cyclohexane | yes |
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| 13:05.15 | Cyclohexane | it said it was removing them.. |
| 13:05.28 | themill | yes, you can only have one installed at a time |
| 13:05.53 | myier | hi, I'm trying to get back the /etc/Muttrc from the package, I tried dpkg-reconfigure and apt-get --reinstall and the file is still not copied, what's the correct way to do this? |
| 13:05.54 | themill | Cyclohexane: can you pastebin the entire apt command and its output? |
| 13:06.00 | themill | dpkg: tell myier about confmiss |
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| 13:06.32 | SomeoneWeird | how do I flush cache? |
| 13:06.50 | pandaubuntu | rvchangue: try ri apt-get purge and then apt-get install |
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| 13:07.06 | myier | thanks themill, is there something similar for apt-get? |
| 13:07.06 | dokma | I need to mount /var/www from the server locally via sshfs but since many users own files in /var/www the only way I see to get write perms in the mounted system is to mount as root which I don't like because then I have to permit root ssh login |
| 13:07.13 | dokma | Is there any way around this? |
| 13:07.46 | themill | myier: sure. There's also no reason to avoid aptitude. |
| 13:07.47 | dokma | abrotman, stew: ??? ^^^ |
| 13:08.00 | DelphiWorld | LOL themill |
| 13:08.05 | DelphiWorld | funy answer |
| 13:08.11 | myier | themill: it's just that I never used it, so I don't know what it will do. |
| 13:08.14 | themill | DelphiWorld: the general feeling is that we actually don't need more mirrors as there are already hundreds. That said, there aren't that many in North Africa at all. |
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| 13:08.34 | DelphiWorld | themill: yes. but there's in algeria, why is not active ? |
| 13:08.57 | themill | DelphiWorld: it's not in the official list at all -- perhaps the mirror admin needs to register it |
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| 13:09.00 | DelphiWorld | themill: also north afrrica is not connected at all, waiting for mr themill to build a sea cables;) |
| 13:09.02 | pandaubuntu | but can anyon answer to my question? |
| 13:09.06 | dokma | themill: you got any idea? |
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| 13:10.21 | themill | dokma: I've never touched sshfs on multiuser systems |
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| 13:10.53 | dokma | themill: I'm also thinking acl but that sounds like it might slow my filesystem down |
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| 13:11.00 | dokma | themill: any thoughts on that? |
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| 13:21.19 | pandaubuntu_ | hi, i have installed debian wheezy 64bit on my pc, but i don't find the workspace switching widget, i've tried to install it whit "apt-get install plasma-widgets-workspace" |
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| 13:23.57 | themill | pandaubuntu_: you might do better asking in #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net as they will know more about kde in wheezy. |
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| 13:24.19 | panadubuntu | hi, i have installed debian wheezy 64bit on my pc, but i don't find the workspace switching widget, i've tried to install it whit "apt-get install plasma-widgets-workspace" |
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| 13:26.42 | ronny | hi |
| 13:26.54 | panadubuntu | hi, i have installed debian wheezy 64bit on my pc, but i don't find the workspace switching widget, i've tried to install it whit "apt-get install plasma-widgets-workspace" |
| 13:27.17 | ronny | suddenly /tmp is a 1mb big thing of the type overflow and stuff breaks |
| 13:27.30 | dvs | <themill> pandaubuntu_: you might do better asking in #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net as they will know more about kde in wheezy. |
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| 13:28.06 | panadubuntu | ok i'll try, thanks |
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| 13:31.07 | Cskiboy | Debian Wheezy 64-bit. XFCE4. My computer doesn't power off, it just hangs at "will now halt" |
| 13:31.39 | Cskiboy | When I shut down from the LightDM login screeen, no problem |
| 13:32.07 | Cskiboy | But when I do it from XFCE, is hangs at "will now halt" |
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| 13:36.30 | cwillu | Cskiboy, this isn't an answer, but it may be useful: that's the difference between shutdown -H and shutdown -P ultimately being called |
| 13:36.48 | Cskiboy | hmm |
| 13:37.10 | Cskiboy | I'll try that |
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| 13:43.24 | Vasistha | I have paired a bluetooth headset with my squeeze lappy, how do I get audio (input and output) to go through it? I'm using alsa |
| 13:44.24 | Cskiboy | hmm. halt -p is giving me the same issue. |
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| 13:49.31 | mikunos | hi guys I have 2 partitions: (5GB + 55GB) and I would like to merge both partition in one without losing data. Is it possible? |
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| 13:50.00 | Vasistha | mikunos: not easy. better find another drive you can throw everything on, and then move it back |
| 13:50.18 | mikunos | Vasistha can you help me to do it? |
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| 13:50.45 | Vasistha | mikunos: unfortunately, no, I've got to go right now |
| 13:50.52 | mikunos | sigh ok |
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| 13:51.10 | mikunos | is there anybody there who can help me to do it? |
| 13:51.59 | blackshirt | mikunos: do you have a backup for data on both partitions ? |
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| 13:52.14 | Jareth3d | ext3 partision Vasistha |
| 13:52.15 | mikunos | blackshirt: not yet |
| 13:52.27 | mikunos | the second partition is empty |
| 13:52.31 | Jareth3d | err |
| 13:52.32 | mikunos | and not formatted yet |
| 13:52.37 | Jareth3d | mikunos* |
| 13:52.46 | mikunos | hi Jareth3d |
| 13:52.49 | mikunos | tell me |
| 13:53.13 | Jareth3d | mikunos, http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_resizing_ext3_partitions |
| 13:53.22 | blackshirt | mikunos: i think, you should make a backup before, this is important for your data safe |
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| 13:53.31 | mikunos | ok |
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| 13:55.36 | mikunos | this is the situation: http://codepad.org/il3AP6YW |
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| 14:00.18 | Cskiboy | acpi problem maybe? |
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| 14:04.28 | ronny | anyone got an idea how i can move the btrfs device scan after cryptosetup? |
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| 14:07.28 | darsie | Is there a flag in /proc/cpuinfo or so that tells me whether my CPU can run 64 bit linux? |
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| 14:10.24 | Pegasus_RPG | hello. Where the heck is the slapd.conf file on Squeeze? |
| 14:10.25 | darsie | seems to be 'flags: lm' |
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| 14:11.19 | darsie | Pentium 4 doesn't seem to support 64-bit Linux. |
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| 14:13.28 | engla | darsie: some p4 don't |
| 14:13.32 | Pegasus_RPG | Some docs refer to /etc/ldap/ldap.conf but that's not present |
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| 14:18.35 | mikunos | I have a strange situation. I have one HD with 5GB for the sda1 and 55GB free. I need to create the new partition but I get the message No free sectors available. Why? |
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| 14:19.18 | Pegasus_RPG | mikunos: are you trying to create a new primary partition on a disk that currently has a logical one? |
| 14:19.39 | ronny | actually i just had to use a crypto partition for the mount |
| 14:19.48 | bzrk | hi all, i am interested in documents describing server outage analysis, e.g. good tools, what logs to enable that help you find out what caused outages etc etc. all links via pm welcome. thanks in advance! |
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| 14:20.13 | mikunos | a logic partition Pegasus_RPG |
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| 14:23.49 | ronny | anyone got an idea what to do for a cryptosetup that spanns multiple block devices per filesystem (i want a 2 disk encrypted btrfs) |
| 14:24.12 | reft43 | i am using testing, and i attached a hdmi external screen and configure to use it, after i turned off, i cant go back to my previous resolution, gdm3 starts and after loging it just resets and gets back to gdm3 |
| 14:24.22 | reft43 | im wondering if is because of the resolution, and how can i change it |
| 14:24.28 | dvs | mikunos: I'd get a live CD like Debian live and use partimage to rearrange the partitions how you want it (of course backing up any data that is important just in case) |
| 14:25.26 | justin | ronny: setup the 2 encrypted partitions like normal and run btrfs on top of that? |
| 14:25.54 | ronny | justin: cryptosetup will happen on boot in parallel with mount, the mount will fail |
| 14:26.12 | ronny | cryptosetup is not aware of filesystems that spann multiple mapped devices |
| 14:26.29 | justin | oh, you're trying to boot off of this? |
| 14:26.36 | ronny | justin: its my home |
| 14:27.00 | ronny | but before it failed somply cause i used the non/encrypted mountpoint of my current raid 1 of raw and encrypted |
| 14:27.19 | justin | ronny: should be easy enough to fix with a custom init script that runs the commands you need in the right order |
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| 14:27.34 | ronny | now i'll bascially disconnect the raw one, make it a lluks device, and set up another mirror |
| 14:27.37 | justin | I think all you really need is a script that sets up both encrypted partitions without trying to mount them |
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| 14:28.11 | ronny | im using systemd, is there a good way to have before mount scripts? |
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| 14:28.37 | justin | probably just by using dependencies in systemd |
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| 14:29.29 | abrotman | dokma: !!!! |
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| 14:31.08 | reft43 | does anyone have any pointers? |
| 14:31.34 | reft43 | where is the default resolution of the screen on wheezy? |
| 14:31.54 | justin | reft43: where? |
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| 14:33.01 | tremon | reft43: the default is provided by the monitor (edid preferred resolution) |
| 14:33.02 | reft43 | as far as i know, there is no default configuration on xorg, i am not sure where it reads for current configuration of the screen |
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| 14:34.12 | reft43 | tremon: xrandr returned no screen results, but im logged in fine with cli. it was working fine until i used hdmi |
| 14:35.03 | tremon | ah, there's your problem :p |
| 14:35.09 | justin | reft43: what does 'logged in file with cli' mean ? |
| 14:35.25 | justin | xrandr is an X program. are you not running X? |
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| 14:36.12 | reft43 | uhm, i see. i should have tried to run xrandr from an xterm or something.. i was running it out of tty1 |
| 14:36.28 | tremon | most monitors do not issue reliable resolution information over hdmi, but you should be able to override the monitor's edid through modeline settings |
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| 14:36.53 | reft43 | logged in fine with comand line interface. means i was logged at tty1 using the screen that i want my gnome to be working with |
| 14:37.17 | tremon | I don't know the exact stanzas, but searching for xorg edid is bound to give you some pointers |
| 14:37.36 | dokma | abrotman: here I am |
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| 14:37.53 | reft43 | tremon: xorg edid? looking like #locate xorg |grep edid ? |
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| 14:38.20 | dokma | abrotman: what's up |
| 14:38.27 | tremon | I was thinking of http://www.google.com/search?q=xorg+edid actually |
| 14:38.46 | reft43 | tremon: :) tx |
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| 14:40.02 | tremon | reft43: depending on the driver, your first option will probably be "IgnoreEDID" "yes" or "UseEDID" "no" |
| 14:40.24 | DelphiWorld | themill: Ping |
| 14:40.58 | DelphiWorld | themill: http://kristof.vanhertum.be/?p=3 |
| 14:41.06 | DelphiWorld | themill: i'm failing coppying the directory to the cf |
| 14:41.21 | Trieste | Hi, I just installed squeeze on an oldish Dell Latitude laptop (I can supply the exact model name if necessary), and I have an issue related to graphics: First, the TTY only shows up in a small portion of the screen in the middle, and second (I believe this is related), when X should start, I only get a black screen |
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| 14:45.08 | dokma | anyone knows if it's possible to use acl to make anything created in a given folder have rw for a particular user? |
| 14:46.01 | psiklops | Trieste, GFX-Card? |
| 14:46.34 | ChrisH | dokma: ACL should be the final approach. did you check man chmod for set GID and set UID on directories? |
| 14:46.58 | dokma | ChrisH: that's not gonna help here because uid and gid are already taken |
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| 14:47.50 | dokma | ChrisH: the situation is that on a shared host I have a ton of sites in /var/www with their respective owners like web32:client16 |
| 14:48.02 | dokma | but I need to add another user to have rw on everything in /var/www |
| 14:48.11 | dokma | and I don't want to use root over sshfs |
| 14:48.19 | dokma | for security reasons |
| 14:48.25 | dokma | so I'm considering acl |
| 14:48.33 | dvs | dokma: So make them a part of the www-data group? |
| 14:48.54 | dokma | dvs: that woul significantly lower security |
| 14:49.01 | dvs | ah |
| 14:49.16 | dokma | this way a particular user can read only it's own stuff |
| 14:49.48 | dokma | and when php is running it is also ran as the given user |
| 14:49.54 | dokma | so it's much safer |
| 14:50.00 | Cskiboy | finally got it working |
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| 14:51.25 | Trieste | psiklops: ATI Rage Mobility 128 |
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| 14:52.32 | psiklops | Trieste, do you use a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file ?# |
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| 14:57.48 | abrotman | dokma: i have no idea .. you highlighted me |
| 14:58.13 | dokma | abrotman: oh, come on, if it bothers you just say so |
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| 14:58.20 | jelly | abrotman: abrotman abrotman |
| 14:58.23 | jelly | hides |
| 14:58.30 | DelphiWorld | abrotman abrotman abrotman |
| 14:58.32 | DelphiWorld | :-P |
| 14:58.40 | jordanm | abrotman? |
| 14:58.43 | abrotman | dokma: i don't know what the question was .. doing this "^^^^" doesn't help me |
| 14:58.43 | DelphiWorld | hides with jelly |
| 14:58.47 | dvs | takes out a highlighter and marks abrotman |
| 14:59.04 | DelphiWorld | add +++++++1 to dvs |
| 14:59.21 | dokma | abrotman: forget it, you didn't seem to me like a sensitive sissy |
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| 15:00.57 | WinstonSmith | sighs |
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| 15:01.43 | abrotman | dokma: i'm not sensitive .. but i don't feel like wading through all the bacscroll to find the question .. Repeast it if you want me to address it |
| 15:02.01 | dokma | abrotman: roger that |
| 15:02.23 | abrotman | dokma: or highlight me for the original question :) |
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| 15:04.03 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: you're Debian Freedom |
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| 15:05.47 | trysten | nagios is too hard |
| 15:05.51 | trysten | what should i use instead? |
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| 15:07.25 | DelphiWorld | trysten, 1. nothing is hard. just take time. 2. try Zabbix. |
| 15:08.23 | deeLer | trysten, I just stumbled on Librato , online service, it's quite simple and looks good |
| 15:09.04 | DelphiWorld | deeLer: LOL. i'm not gonna give an online service access to my LAAAAAAAAN! |
| 15:10.30 | deeLer | you don't need to DelphiWorld , they don't poll or connect in anyway, it's up to you to send data and they make a nice graph and notifications |
| 15:10.55 | DelphiWorld | deeLer: what about if internet down? ;-) |
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| 15:11.41 | deeLer | I know, that might be a drawback |
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| 15:23.39 | Amina | Hi, I have /proc/sys/net/ipv6/all/forwarding set to 1, but IPv6 routing still doesn't work. Any idea about reason (IPv4 routing works fine) |
| 15:25.28 | xand | /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/forwarding |
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| 15:25.36 | xand | that one? |
| 15:26.16 | GreenDance | Hello Everyone |
| 15:26.29 | Amina | xand, yes |
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| 15:26.42 | Diopter | Amina: Can you pastebin the output of "sysctl -a | grep forward"? |
| 15:26.59 | xand | how are you testing it? do both subnets have that machine as the gateway/route to the right place? |
| 15:27.24 | Amina | net.ipv4.conf.all.forwarding = 1 |
| 15:27.25 | Amina | net.ipv4.conf.all.mc_forwarding = 0 |
| 15:27.25 | Amina | net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding = 1 |
| 15:27.25 | Amina | net.ipv4.conf.default.mc_forwarding = 0 |
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| 15:27.29 | trysten | woupsie |
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| 15:27.33 | Amina | net.ipv4.conf.eth0.forwarding = 1 |
| 15:27.35 | Amina | net.ipv4.conf.eth0.mc_forwarding = 0 |
| 15:27.37 | Amina | net.ipv4.conf.wlan0.forwarding = 1 |
| 15:27.39 | Diopter | Amina: Totally said "pastebin" :P |
| 15:27.39 | Amina | net.ipv4.conf.wlan0.mc_forwarding = 0 |
| 15:27.40 | trysten | stop.. |
| 15:27.41 | Amina | net.ipv4.conf.vboxnet0.forwarding = 1 |
| 15:27.43 | Amina | net.ipv4.conf.vboxnet0.mc_forwarding = 0 |
| 15:27.45 | trysten | stop it |
| 15:27.46 | Amina | net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 |
| 15:27.47 | Amina | net.ipv6.conf.all.forwarding = 1 |
| 15:27.49 | Amina | net.ipv6.conf.default.forwarding = 1 |
| 15:27.51 | Amina | net.ipv6.conf.lo.forwarding = 1 |
| 15:27.52 | Diopter | trysten: They can't. It's in their paste buffer. |
| 15:27.53 | Amina | net.ipv6.conf.eth0.forwarding = 1 |
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| 15:27.56 | themill | Amina: let me know when you've stopped that |
| 15:28.03 | psiklops | lol |
| 15:28.07 | trysten | o.O |
| 15:28.20 | trysten | facepalms for horizontal smileys on #debian |
| 15:28.31 | WinstonSmith | ^_^ |
| 15:28.38 | psiklops | ·-) |
| 15:28.41 | tremon | Amina: while you're at it, also paste ip -6 show route and ip -6 show link |
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| 15:29.09 | trysten | is it just me, or is gtkpod really bad |
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| 15:30.02 | Amina | I want to route from 2001::2 to 2002::2 |
| 15:30.03 | Diopter | tremon: A good call. |
| 15:30.33 | tremon | Amina: do you own those address ranges? |
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| 15:31.00 | Amina | tremon: using them in a test lab (Virtual machines) |
| 15:31.07 | tremon | :) ok, just checkin' |
| 15:31.26 | Amina | I want to route through host OS, which has two interfaces (2001::1 and 2002::1) |
| 15:31.37 | saintwolf | Hey guys, is there a reason that cron would just stop running jobs? |
| 15:31.51 | Amina | both machines are able to ping the host |
| 15:32.02 | Amina | but are not able to ping each other |
| 15:32.07 | saintwolf | I've been trying to run a php script every 5 min, but it only executes once :/ |
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| 15:32.39 | tremon | Amina: then also ip -6 show route on the two hosts that are trying to reach eachother |
| 15:32.55 | Trieste | psiklops: wow, sorry, there was no notification |
| 15:33.05 | Amina | termon: Object "show" is unknown, try "ip help". |
| 15:33.15 | tremon | argh |
| 15:33.19 | tremon | ip route show? |
| 15:33.20 | Trieste | psiklops: well, it's a perfectly vanilla install, so I didn't make one myself |
| 15:33.24 | Diopter | Amina: ip -6 route |
| 15:33.27 | Diopter | Or just ip -6 r |
| 15:33.34 | Diopter | Nouns first, then verbs. |
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| 15:34.48 | tremon | saintwolf: it doesn't start a new one if the previous one hasn't finished |
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| 15:35.04 | Amina | Diopter, tremon: http://pastebin.com/4NxdLp01 |
| 15:35.26 | psiklops | Trieste, any luck with your Laptop ? |
| 15:36.20 | psiklops | Trieste, as root: X -configure will set up a xorg.conf.xxx file in /root |
| 15:36.36 | p3rror | what is the best webserver for an appliance |
| 15:36.40 | saintwolf | tremon: Thing is, last time it ran my 5 min job twice (and my 1min test job a few times) : http://pastie.org/4086838 |
| 15:36.46 | psiklops | you can edit it by hand and copy to /etc/X11 as xorg.conf |
| 15:37.06 | Diopter | Amina: Ok, and can you pastebin "ip -6 a" on the host and VMs? |
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| 15:38.08 | psiklops | Trieste, what kind of Dell Laptop do you have ? |
| 15:38.16 | saintwolf | So surely there must be something wrong |
| 15:38.23 | qw | hello |
| 15:38.26 | qw | help my |
| 15:38.30 | qw | why i not see list programs in KPackageKit ? |
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| 15:38.59 | tremon | Amina: I've had issues with routing when the gateway wasn't set to a link-local address. Can you try adding the routing entries with the host's link-local address instead? |
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| 15:39.17 | Amina | Diopter, tremon: http://pastebin.com/ynYgWmSk |
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| 15:40.21 | tremon | I'd also try adding network routes instead of host routes on the vm's |
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| 15:41.00 | GreenDance | a distro respins a good thing for the community? |
| 15:41.02 | Diopter | Shouldn't matter in this specific case, but |
| 15:42.03 | Diopter | Amina: Oh. I think I see your issue. |
| 15:42.31 | Diopter | Amina: Your VMs are both on your host-only adapter, vboxnet0, right? |
| 15:42.53 | tremon | ooh, good catch |
| 15:43.19 | Diopter | You've got 2001::/64, on the host, routing out wlan0 |
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| 15:43.26 | Amina | Diopter: No, VM1 is bridged. VM2 is host-only. |
| 15:43.40 | Diopter | Amina: Bridged to your wlan0? |
| 15:43.50 | Amina | Diopter: Yes |
| 15:43.59 | Diopter | Wireless interfaces aren't happy being bridged to. |
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| 15:44.31 | Amina | Diopter: I think that is an issue with Virtualbox and IPv6, no ? |
| 15:44.38 | tremon | quite, but if ipv4 works then ipv6 should too |
| 15:44.39 | Amina | Because with IPv4, it works perfectly |
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| 15:45.00 | tremon | Amina: can both vm's ping the host? |
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| 15:45.10 | Amina | tremon: yes |
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| 15:45.24 | format_c | Just for info: I don't have any issues with IPv6 on a Virutal Box in Bridge mode. |
| 15:45.28 | Diopter | Amina: Maybe. Or maybe it's an issue with the wireless AP seeing frames from a different MAC than wlan0 |
| 15:45.33 | tremon | can you traceroute6 between both hosts (both directions) |
| 15:45.39 | jargon- | anybody know how to access an apple time capsule through debian squeeze over ethernet? |
| 15:45.45 | Dagger2 | wait, what? 2001::/64? 2002::/64? pretty sure you don't have those blocks allocated to you |
| 15:45.54 | Diopter | Dagger2: It's in a test lab |
| 15:46.03 | Dagger2 | then use ULA |
| 15:46.12 | Dagger2 | http://www.simpledns.com/private-ipv6.aspx etc |
| 15:46.48 | Dagger2 | or use /64s from your normal public allocation, since you don't *have* to route them to the internet |
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| 15:47.05 | tremon | thought that ula had already been deprecated |
| 15:47.18 | Amina | tremon: Yes, traceroute6 works fine (both VMs, in both directions) |
| 15:47.26 | Dagger2 | tremon: you're thinking of site-local addresses |
| 15:47.37 | tremon | Dagger2: I see (last line of the page) |
| 15:48.09 | tremon | Amina: traceroute works, but you still can't ping between them? that sounds... weird |
| 15:48.36 | Amina | tremon: Ah, no! |
| 15:48.46 | Amina | not between VMs, but host-vm |
| 15:49.00 | Amina | from VM to VM it says: connect: Network is unreachable |
| 15:49.13 | Diopter | Unreachable, eh? Neat. |
| 15:49.15 | DelphiWorld | salam amina :) |
| 15:49.48 | DelphiWorld | amina, doing ipv6 on debian or what ? |
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| 15:50.08 | Dagger2 | also, it'd make more sense to use radvd and SLAAC rather than statically configuring VM 1 and 2 |
| 15:50.24 | Dagger2 | because SLAAC is incredibly trivial to get working and statically configuring stuff's a pain |
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| 15:50.31 | tremon | in production, yes, if you're learning ipv6, then no |
| 15:50.34 | GreenDance | are distro respins a good thing for the community? |
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| 15:51.01 | Diopter | Amina: Can you try adding the network routes on the VMs instead of host routes? |
| 15:51.35 | Dagger2 | tremon: even if you're learning. SLAAC tends to set up working networks, and you can go from there. seems more sensible then fiddling around with static configs when you don't know what you're doing |
| 15:52.03 | Diopter | Amina: VM1 -> 2002::/64 via 2001::1; VM2 -> 2001::/64 via 2002::1, in other words |
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| 15:54.12 | Trieste | psiklops: I swear I'm not doing this on purpose, and no, no luck yet. It's a Dell Latitude C600 |
| 15:54.34 | Amina | still the same, Diopter |
| 15:54.47 | Amina | actually the problem is with the host, given that with tcpdump / wireshark |
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| 15:55.04 | Amina | I see the host getting the packets, but not forwarding them |
| 15:55.24 | Dagger2 | Amina: do you have any firewall rules in place? (or can you pastebin `iptables -vnL` on the host?) |
| 15:55.28 | Diopter | Amina: Your traceroute spat out an ICMP Unreachable, almost certainly from the host. |
| 15:55.34 | Diopter | Dagger2: Needs to be ip6tables |
| 15:55.44 | Dagger2 | uh... duh. `ip6tables -vnL` |
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| 15:56.57 | Amina | ok, that is NOT funny ? I forgot a -A FORWARD -j DROP in ip6tables... :( |
| 15:57.18 | Diopter | lol. That's a little funny! :P |
| 15:57.37 | tremon | tries very hard not to chuckle too loudly |
| 15:57.52 | tremon | Amina: well, stuff happens |
| 15:58.07 | Diopter | It gets less funny when shit's on fire and customers are down and you forget a firewall rule |
| 15:58.15 | Diopter | But labbing it up = lulz |
| 15:58.30 | tremon | ah yes, but then we wouldn't be talking "it's in a lab" |
| 15:58.49 | Diopter | Quite |
| 15:59.06 | tremon | although a -j DROP between 2001::/64 and 2002::/64 would certainly be a fire-class hazard :) |
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| 16:00.30 | Dagger2 | traffic to 2002::/64 should probably be dropped normally, since it's inside the 6to4 range allocated to 0.0.0.0 |
| 16:01.01 | tremon | ah, I knew I had seen that range before |
| 16:01.05 | saintwolf | It's happened again. It wan the cron job twice, and now cron is no longer running |
| 16:01.06 | Diopter | Blegh, 6to4 |
| 16:01.09 | saintwolf | ran* |
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| 16:01.43 | Diopter | saintwolf: Maybe your cronjob includes a "pkill -f cron" somewhere in it ;P |
| 16:01.50 | boudiccas | saintwolf: how do you know that cron is no longer running? |
| 16:01.57 | saintwolf | Diopter: Nope, it's a php script |
| 16:02.05 | Diopter | D: |
| 16:02.20 | tremon | saintwolf: that's not a definite no then |
| 16:02.39 | saintwolf | All it does it generate thumbnails |
| 16:02.50 | saintwolf | The only thing that mentions cron is the filename :P |
| 16:03.10 | Diopter | saintwolf: So, pgrep -fl php; pgrep -fl cron |
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| 16:03.32 | Diopter | saintwolf: Find out if A) PHP processes are hanging around, B) if cron is actually dead, etc |
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| 16:04.09 | saintwolf | Well after it runs twice, I usually do a ps aux | grep cron |
| 16:04.15 | saintwolf | and it would not be running at that time |
| 16:04.25 | saintwolf | and your commant returned nothing |
| 16:04.30 | saintwolf | command* |
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| 16:04.58 | saintwolf | It shouldn't be hanging, there aren't even thumbnails to process so it should basically return straight away |
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| 16:05.08 | Diopter | saintwolf: Exciting. |
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| 16:05.27 | Diopter | Sounds like maybe you should run the script yourself a few times. Check the return codes, make sure it's behaving as expected, etc |
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| 16:06.41 | saintwolf | I've run it many times manually :) |
| 16:07.05 | Diopter | saintwolf: Is this cron job in your user's crontab? |
| 16:07.11 | Jasio | Heya, I am using Debian Squeeze and foolishly installed PHP 5.4.5-dev which broke mysql. I removed PHP and re-installed PHP 5.3.3 -7+squeeze. PHP -v outputs 5.3.3 expected, but phpinfo still shows 5.4.5-dev is running and I am unable to figure out how/where/why as it should have been removed. |
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| 16:07.58 | saintwolf | Yup |
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| 16:08.09 | saintwolf | I'm running it under root at the moment |
| 16:08.09 | Diopter | Jasio: pgrep -fl php, see what PHP processes are running. Maybe restart mysql if you haven't. |
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| 16:08.44 | matlads | Jasio: apt-cache policy libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 16:08.47 | project2501a | hi. what should i use to restart networking if not /etc/init.d/networking? |
| 16:09.03 | Jasio | matlads, sorry - forgot to add I am using nginx and php-fastcgi. |
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| 16:10.02 | Diopter | Jasio: So you probably have some php processes hanging around from nginx/fcgi |
| 16:10.05 | Jasio | Diopter, http://pastebin.com/LjsvbfSG - I did restart mysql and nginx afterwards. |
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| 16:11.47 | Diopter | Jasio: I'd personally stop nginx, pgrep again, see if those php5-cgi processes are still there |
| 16:11.58 | Diopter | If so, pkill -f php5-cgi, start nginx again, etc |
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| 16:12.23 | psiklops | Trieste, how much RAM ? |
| 16:12.42 | matlads | Jasio: apt-cache policy php5-cli |
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| 16:13.11 | psiklops | Trieste, have you tested with another Dist. like DammSmallLinux before? |
| 16:14.03 | Jasio | matlads, the installed version matches the candidate (5.3.3-7+squeeze13). |
| 16:14.39 | jargon- | anybody else know how to access an apple time capsule from debian |
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| 16:15.18 | Jasio | Diopter, excellent- killing off the processes and restarting everything now shows the proper PHP5 build and the mysql module is playing nice again :) |
| 16:15.31 | Diopter | Jasio: Woot |
| 16:15.33 | Jasio | Thank-you Diopter + matlads for the help. |
| 16:15.36 | matlads | nice |
| 16:16.03 | Jasio | Out of curiosity, did the old "new" version linger in cache then, despite being removed? |
| 16:16.36 | Trieste | psiklops: whopping 128MB, and I haven't |
| 16:17.25 | Diopter | Jasio: Most likely whatever caused that package to fux with mysql/nginx also resulted in a "kill all the processes" post-removal script not running. |
| 16:17.43 | psiklops | Trieste, could also try out Puppy Linux for Testing |
| 16:18.04 | Diopter | Jasio: Or, actually, it's probably because php5 didn't know about php5-cgi, and merrily ignored the existing processes. |
| 16:18.06 | psiklops | Trieste, and see what happends and how Xorg configures your card |
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| 16:18.47 | Jasio | Okay, good to know for future reference. Thanks. |
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| 16:19.47 | psiklops | Trieste, i run Squeeze on an old SonyVaio 256MB RAM Laptop... for me thats the limit on minimum :-) |
| 16:20.40 | Trieste | hm, I think I might have solved it, I installed firmware-linux-nonfree and it seems to work now |
| 16:20.51 | psiklops | Trieste, ok |
| 16:21.08 | psiklops | Trieste, i bet pretty slow ha? |
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| 16:21.51 | Trieste | psiklops: true :\ |
| 16:22.11 | Trieste | wonders what could he salvage out of an ancient laptop |
| 16:22.52 | psiklops | Trieste, i'd put a DammSmallLinux on something like that |
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| 16:23.13 | Trieste | and it apparently has 256 MB ram too, despite the specs I found online |
| 16:23.24 | psiklops | lol |
| 16:23.39 | psiklops | Trieste, free -m |
| 16:23.46 | Trieste | yup, just did that |
| 16:23.51 | Trieste | total: 248 |
| 16:24.17 | Diopter | I need to get another pair of 8GB sticks to put in this laptop. |
| 16:24.21 | psiklops | that works for me :-) |
| 16:24.24 | Diopter | 20GB isn't enough! |
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| 16:24.37 | Trieste | Diopter: >:( |
| 16:24.43 | Diopter | >.> |
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| 16:25.19 | Diopter | To be fair, I run a lot of VMs on my machine as part of my job, so RAM is like gold |
| 16:27.09 | tharkun | I'm looking for a bug tracking system that can handle several projects and it is not as huge as bugzilla. Any ideas? |
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| 16:32.12 | digdilem | coppermine? |
| 16:32.55 | digdilem | maybe not |
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| 16:42.47 | tubaman | tharkun, you don't like bugzilla? |
| 16:43.22 | tharkun | tubaman: too big and complex for my current requirements. |
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| 16:44.51 | tharkun | The workflow is pretty straight forward. One person submits the bugs there are several others that get them closed. Resources are allocated depending on the isue. One submits, two assing resources. Two others closee the bugs when the problems are solved |
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| 16:46.56 | Diopter | tharkun: Sounds like you could use some Redmine |
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| 16:56.59 | SLFCore | Trieste: I agree with, even I have been looking for DSL for Pi! |
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| 17:01.24 | saveme | Anyone experienced with ddrescue? I started this on my 1TB external USB disk 2 hours ago. It has been stuck on "splitting bad blocks" ever since, and no succesful reads |
| 17:01.55 | saveme | the image file is 0KB, and log is 25KB :( |
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| 17:03.05 | Zharf | I used it on a 160G disk once |
| 17:03.09 | Zharf | took all night |
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| 17:03.47 | saveme | Yeah, thats what Google has told me. But those people seemed to get stuff such as average speeds abd stuff. Ive got 0KB/s |
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| 17:04.00 | justin | saveme: does your disk work at all? |
| 17:04.18 | gotmynick | I used it on a very old system once (needed to compile a static version, and mount a network share), but yes, it worked too |
| 17:04.41 | saveme | justin: kind o doesnt. In windows explorer freezes. It is however discovered there, and in debian |
| 17:04.50 | saveme | I cant access it |
| 17:05.04 | gotmynick | some activity or errors on dmesg or syslog when ddrescue is running ? |
| 17:05.13 | justin | ddrescue can get data off a failing drive, it can't bring one back from the dead |
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| 17:05.30 | saveme | yeah, tail on the log from ddrescue shows activity, however only "-" and "/" |
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| 17:06.31 | saveme | It shouldnt be dead when it is discovered in both windows and debian? |
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| 17:11.31 | tziOm | I am not able to install debian-ports mirror... |
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| 17:14.55 | mmnicolas | what's cool to do with avahi, something in the lines of service-discovery-applet would be nice |
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| 17:16.05 | mmnicolas | ? |
| 17:16.30 | gotmynick | mmnicolas, are you looking for ideas or things already implemented ? |
| 17:17.05 | gotmynick | gobby editor used to use it as far as I know, for collaborative sessions on lan environment |
| 17:17.20 | mmnicolas | something already implemented or experimental |
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| 17:19.34 | aber | Does someone know how I can see, how much memory is reserved for a intel HD video card? I miss some RAM... |
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| 17:20.04 | aber | actually a lot. like 600MB |
| 17:20.25 | gotmynick | maybe using lspci -vv |
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| 17:20.51 | jelly-home | aber: out of what, 4GiB perchance? |
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| 17:22.40 | gnarface | aber: its usually in the motherboard bios... i usually get at it by rebooting, you might be able to read it in the output of dmidecode though... |
| 17:23.13 | aber | I can see it in lspci, it is 256MB. |
| 17:23.17 | gnarface | aber: its usually only like 2-8MB ... you don't have AGP do you? |
| 17:23.24 | dabreaka` | hey.. i've got a debian lenny machine and have edited /etc/apt/sources.list to point it to the archive.. seems like the key has expired though |
| 17:23.34 | dabreaka` | as seen here - http://forum.proxmox.com/threads/5830-Debian-Key-Expired-and-FIX |
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| 17:23.45 | gnarface | aber: definitely check your bios |
| 17:23.50 | dabreaka` | but the fix doesn't seem to be doing anything.. tried "apt-get clean" and "apt-get update", same thing |
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| 17:25.24 | jelly-home | dabreaka`: I bet that link does not show the exact message you're seeing (and thus, it's not the same issue |
| 17:25.43 | ccvvcc | i upgraded mysql Upgrade: mysql-server:amd64 (5.5.23+dfsg-2, 5.5.24+dfsg-3) |
| 17:25.47 | ccvvcc | then service mysql restart |
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| 17:25.50 | ccvvcc | but still |
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| 17:26.00 | ccvvcc | Server version5.5.23-2-log |
| 17:26.09 | ccvvcc | why? |
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| 17:26.12 | dabreaka` | jelly-home, here's my message: |
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| 17:26.14 | dabreaka` | W: GPG error: http://archive.debian.org lenny Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1337087218 The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 17:26.14 | dabreaka` | W: GPG error: http://archive.debian.org lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 17:26.14 | dabreaka` | E: Release file expired, ignoring http://archive.debian.org/debian-security/dists/lenny/updates/Release (invalid since 73d 11h 34min 19s) |
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| 17:26.46 | jelly-home | dabreaka`: that's more like it |
| 17:26.53 | themill | dabreaka`: sounds perfectly sensible that a release that's no longer being maintained has an out-of-date signature. |
| 17:27.33 | dabreaka` | sure.. and everywhere i read on this people said that installing debian-archive-keyring would fix it |
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| 17:27.41 | themill | dabreaka`: no |
| 17:28.11 | themill | ccvvcc: it's the mysql-server-5.5 package that needs upgrading. (why aren't you just running "aptitude safe-upgrade" or "aptitude full-upgrade"?) |
| 17:28.28 | dabreaka` | themill, how do you fix this then? |
| 17:28.36 | themill | dabreaka`: an expired signature is expired. Unless you find a time machine, it will stay expired. |
| 17:28.43 | dabreaka` | haha |
| 17:28.49 | themill | dabreaka`: upgrade to a supported release. /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 17:28.52 | liariat | startx is complaining: failed to load module "nv" what package is that_ |
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| 17:29.09 | dabreaka` | themill, i thought the upgrade was not recommended.. a reinstall is? |
| 17:29.19 | Diopter | liariat: Not one that you want at all. |
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| 17:29.50 | themill | dabreaka`: not at all -- debian works very hard to be upgradable. The details are in the release notes for squeeze/. |
| 17:30.07 | gotmynick | liariat, sounds like xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 17:30.13 | tharkun | Diopter: Redmine seems promissing |
| 17:30.18 | tharkun | Thanks |
| 17:30.21 | Diopter | tharkun: Np |
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| 17:31.08 | liariat | Diopter: do you know how can i fix that?ç |
| 17:31.16 | ccvvcc | themill thanks |
| 17:31.22 | ccvvcc | i upgraded mysql-server |
| 17:31.27 | Diopter | liariat: What kind of video card do you have? |
| 17:32.16 | liariat | gotmynick: tried dkpg--reconfigure but no package with that name |
| 17:32.35 | liariat | Diopter: nvidia |
| 17:32.47 | liariat | nvidia cuda |
| 17:33.18 | gotmynick | maybe the package I say is just in squeeze |
| 17:33.20 | archetech3 | anybody here using hiawatha webserver nedd config help |
| 17:33.48 | gotmynick | liariat, when I configured my nvidia machine I just followed some instructions in the wiki |
| 17:34.05 | liariat | it was working fine until i played with resolution and screens |
| 17:34.08 | Diopter | liariat: Your choices are nouveau or nvidia. |
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| 17:35.34 | aber | Sorry guys, no AGP and also no 32bit an no 4GB |
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| 17:35.47 | liariat | ok, the latest resolution or screen saved should be on nouveau? |
| 17:37.07 | gnarface | aber: still probably a bios setting but i guess could be anything |
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| 17:38.40 | JordiGH | Once you're in a chroot, how do you become a normal user inside the chroot? |
| 17:39.02 | calrogman | Add a user and su to it. |
| 17:39.21 | engla | 7 |
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| 17:51.27 | JordiGH | calrogman: Oh, duh. |
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| 18:04.48 | pandaubuntu | hei guy |
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| 18:08.32 | pandaubuntu | anyone has no idea how to do to change the name of the distribution |
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| 18:09.28 | streuner__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.49 | pandaubuntu | beacause i've a distribution based on debian package |
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| 18:09.57 | pandaubuntu | but, for example |
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| 18:11.01 | tremon | is pretty sure that package is emacs |
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| 18:11.20 | streuner | hm, a mindreader then |
| 18:11.32 | pandaubuntu | durante il boot il grub mi dice ad esempio che c'é debian e un'altro debian, ma voglio che il mio "esperimento" abbia un'altro nome che venga riconosciuto sempre da grub o lilo che sia |
| 18:11.45 | pandaubuntu | during the boot grub tells me that there is such another debian and debian, but I want my "experiment" has another name that is increasingly recognized by grub or lilo to be |
| 18:11.49 | pandaubuntu | *sorry :) |
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| 18:12.58 | pandaubuntu | but i've no idea whic file i have to edit |
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| 18:13.28 | simonlnu | google translate FAIL. maybe try in #debian-it |
| 18:13.37 | streuner | dpkg, it |
| 18:13.38 | simonlnu | on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:13.38 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:13.39 | Sw33NY_ | pandaubuntu, you talk about the kernel ? |
| 18:13.47 | calrogman | What, you want to change the label for an installation? With lilo, that'd be editing a line that reads "label=blahblah" in /etc/lilo.conf |
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| 18:14.10 | calrogman | Don't know how Grub2 decides on names for boot entries. Haven't used it. |
| 18:14.21 | Sw33NY_ | pandaubuntu, by example, the debian 2.6 - debian 2.8 - debian 3.0 - ... ? |
| 18:14.53 | themill | Derivatives support should go to that derivative's own irc channel. Oh, wait… |
| 18:16.26 | tremon | pandaubuntu: the easiest way is to copy the current entries from /boot/grub/grub.conf into /etc/grub.d/40_custom, and rename them there |
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| 18:17.34 | tremon | but that's not really a good solution, because those entries will be static and you will need to edit them manually if the other distribution's kernel changes |
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| 18:26.44 | pandaubuntu | so what i edit? |
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| 18:27.03 | harold | What's the stuff in /sys/block/ dir? |
| 18:27.05 | harold | I ask, because I saw someone cat'ing some stuff in the things /sys/block, and he was getting the names of the HDD and whatnot |
| 18:27.59 | harold | I ask, because I saw someone cat'ing some stuff in the things in /sys/block/, and he was getting the names of the HDD and whatnot |
| 18:28.31 | stew | harold: all the known block devices |
| 18:29.05 | stew | harold: you'll see symlinks in that directory which probably line up with "ls -l /dev | grep ^b" |
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| 18:30.19 | stew | harold: is your question more general, is it "what is the /sys filesystem"? |
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| 18:30.49 | calzifer | can is just upgrade from stable to testing, or is this getting dirty? |
| 18:30.50 | pandaubuntu | i go to #debian-it |
| 18:31.32 | stew | calzifer: i'm not sure what the context of that question is. but perhaps: |
| 18:31.36 | stew | dpkg: stable->testing |
| 18:31.36 | dpkg | First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, and change squeeze to wheezy. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while. |
| 18:31.52 | tremon | harold: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/sysfs-rules.txt;h=c1a1fd636bf9e0c5ce6152d8cbe26f7c251bf770;hb=HEAD |
| 18:32.08 | stew | calzifer: I don't konw what your motivations are, but also perhaps see /msg dpkg backports |
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| 18:33.09 | karlpinc | calzifer: See also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware |
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| 18:34.01 | calzifer | ok, thanks |
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| 18:39.54 | fwiss | Hey guys. I have an xpad problem. When I make xpad, here's the error log |
| 18:39.55 | fwiss | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1041197/ |
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| 18:41.48 | dokma | anyone knows if acl slows anything down significantly? |
| 18:42.12 | dokma | Croatia 1 : Italia 1 :D |
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| 18:42.34 | pandaubuntu_ | s***, there isn't anyone in #debian-it :( |
| 18:42.55 | streuner | #debian-it 32 Il progetto Debian, il suo sviluppo e la sua comunità (Italiana) || http://identi.ca/group/debianit || Prima di scrivere leggete le FAQ ☛ http://ur1.ca/2y399 | contribuire alle nuove FAQ http://ur1.ca/2y39q | Rimozione spam dalle mailing list -italian http://ur1.ca/2qexs |
| 18:43.06 | streuner | pandaubuntu_: irc.debian.org NOT here... |
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| 19:18.40 | sce | does where the definition for Windows Network is at that points to Network:/ |
| 19:18.44 | sce | anyone |
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| 19:20.31 | abrotman | in what OS? |
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| 19:25.35 | Silent | Guys, how do I re-configure my touchpad to use 3-finger clicks as a right mouse button and two-finger clicks as a middle button? |
| 19:26.42 | Diopter | Silent: synclient |
| 19:28.00 | Silent | What? |
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| 19:28.13 | Silent | Is that a package? |
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| 19:28.51 | Silent | Oh nevermind I get it |
| 19:28.57 | Silent | Thanks :) |
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| 19:30.27 | dethkrieg | is the .bashrc file auto run or .bash_profile? |
| 19:30.49 | stew | dethkrieg: .bash_profile at login, .bashrc when you start a shell |
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| 19:31.31 | dethkrieg | cool, thanks |
| 19:31.42 | dethkrieg | anyway to output the current path variable? |
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| 19:33.43 | acx0 | dethkrieg: echo $PATH |
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| 19:42.18 | JordiGH | #677532 is why you shouldn't run unstable, kids. |
| 19:42.29 | JordiGH | Now what am I gonna do without aptitude... |
| 19:42.31 | JordiGH | apt-get?!?! |
| 19:42.58 | streuner | dpkg, dbugs 677532 |
| 19:43.03 | dpkg | DONE:#677532:N[libept1.4.12] libept1.4.12: aptitude dies because it cannot load libept.so.1.0.5.4.12 (); Thu, 14 Jun 2012 16:27:02 UTC [] |
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| 19:43.24 | streuner | JordiGH: dont ask me, i use apt-get |
| 19:43.28 | dvs | JordiGH: Could be worse, libc could stop working... oh wait... ;-) |
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| 19:43.46 | ompaul | inept problem there streuner ;-) |
| 19:43.53 | JordiGH | Hm, now let's wait for the fix to hit my mirror... |
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| 19:44.26 | JordiGH | Haha, closes 3 bugs filed this same day. |
| 19:44.36 | JordiGH | Break aptitude, everyone notices. |
| 19:45.07 | stew | I like this changelog entry: |
| 19:45.09 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.16 | ompaul | JordiGH: who'd a thunk it |
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| 19:46.26 | shred805 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1041310/ |
| 19:46.31 | shred805 | can anyone help me with this |
| 19:46.34 | JordiGH | Ubuntu, eh? |
| 19:46.41 | shred805 | i was just burning cds a second ago |
| 19:46.45 | shred805 | its debian squeeze |
| 19:46.52 | shred805 | 6.0.4 |
| 19:46.58 | calrogman | looks like a bad burn |
| 19:47.01 | Diopter | shred805: Did you try "dmesg | tail" as instructed? |
| 19:47.07 | streuner | shred805: what FS? |
| 19:47.07 | calrogman | try again, use a lower speed |
| 19:47.26 | shred805 | yeah but i dont know what to make of it |
| 19:47.27 | shred805 | ill past it |
| 19:47.33 | ompaul | iso 9660 at a guess |
| 19:47.50 | calrogman | if you're using wodim, pass it -v and make sure the drive buffer doesn't empty |
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| 19:48.05 | ompaul | dao is the way with k3b |
| 19:48.20 | shred805 | yeah is k3b still using wodim? |
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| 19:48.27 | shred805 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1041312/ |
| 19:49.19 | calrogman | no shred805, k3b uses cdrdao |
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| 19:49.49 | calrogman | oh, apologies, it uses cdrdao or wodim depending on what is asked of it... |
| 19:50.04 | shred805 | oh |
| 19:50.15 | shred805 | so is there a way to fix this, it seems to be a bug |
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| 19:50.25 | shred805 | because i didnt change anything |
| 19:50.41 | ompaul | shred805: what did you use to burn? |
| 19:50.46 | stew | shred805: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:50.49 | calrogman | are you sure it's a bug and not just buffer underrun? |
| 19:51.08 | shred805 | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 19:51.20 | shred805 | k3b |
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| 19:51.46 | shred805 | shoudl i compile a new kernel or something? |
| 19:51.51 | stew | no |
| 19:51.55 | shred805 | it was working perfect like 30 mins ago |
| 19:51.56 | calrogman | almost definitely not, no |
| 19:52.06 | ompaul | shred805: burn it at the lowest speed you can |
| 19:52.21 | shred805 | it doesnt even mount the blank disk |
| 19:52.22 | ompaul | shred805: and make sure you have the right md5sum for your disk |
| 19:52.24 | Diopter | Or at least one speed bump lower than whatever you burned at previously |
| 19:52.24 | shred805 | i cant mount anuything |
| 19:52.33 | Diopter | shred805: ... why are you trying to "mount" a blank disk? |
| 19:52.43 | ompaul | shred805: you can't mount blank disks |
| 19:52.46 | Diopter | By definition, you're doing it wrong. |
| 19:52.52 | calrogman | badly wrong |
| 19:53.09 | shred805 | i mean it doesnt read the blank disc |
| 19:53.10 | shred805 | my bad |
| 19:53.16 | shred805 | in k3b |
| 19:53.16 | calrogman | well there's nothing to read... |
| 19:53.23 | shred805 | the disc |
| 19:53.35 | calrogman | use your words, man! |
| 19:53.36 | shred805 | if your computer doesnt know theres a blank disc |
| 19:53.36 | Diopter | Are you desperately trying to find some way of saying "k3b doesn't recognize there's a disc in the drive it can use" |
| 19:53.42 | shred805 | how do you burn then |
| 19:54.11 | shred805 | diopter:yes |
| 19:54.19 | calrogman | when that happens it means the firmware of your drive is awful and you should try ejecting and reinserting the disc... |
| 19:54.33 | ompaul | shred805: type eject on the command line |
| 19:54.36 | shred805 | i did like 20 times, and i rebooted |
| 19:54.46 | ompaul | does it eject? |
| 19:54.46 | shred805 | ompaul: Ok |
| 19:54.49 | shred805 | yes |
| 19:54.51 | shred805 | it did |
| 19:54.55 | calrogman | uh, did you try using a different disc...? |
| 19:54.59 | shred805 | yeah |
| 19:54.59 | ompaul | good now, put in a different disk |
| 19:55.03 | shred805 | i tried that too |
| 19:55.04 | Diopter | Maybe you're using discs that your drive isn't compatible with, and just got lucky a time or two |
| 19:55.11 | shred805 | well i just burned 5 |
| 19:55.12 | ompaul | shred805: do another one |
| 19:55.13 | shred805 | off the same stack |
| 19:55.24 | shred805 | ok |
| 19:55.39 | ompaul | shred805: seriously cds and dvds can have a huge failure rate even off the same stack |
| 19:55.44 | shred805 | usually it revs up |
| 19:55.50 | shred805 | when it reads a blank disc |
| 19:55.58 | shred805 | nothing happens when i close the tray |
| 19:56.00 | shred805 | olmost silent |
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| 19:56.09 | ompaul | it can't read read it there is nothing on it |
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| 19:56.34 | shred805 | how does it know if its blank then |
| 19:56.37 | shred805 | if it doesnt read it |
| 19:56.44 | calrogman | run a dd if=/dev/sd0 of=/dev/null count=1 bs=2048k to get it to rev up |
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| 19:57.24 | calrogman | i swear the syntax of dd is some sort of massive practical joke |
| 19:57.35 | shred805 | yeah |
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| 19:57.46 | Diopter | calrogman: Don't you malign my beautiful tool D: |
| 19:58.23 | calrogman | your beautiful tool's interface is a prank: http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/D/dd.html |
| 19:58.24 | justin | shred805: try wodim -atip |
| 19:58.27 | justin | that "reads" the blank disk |
| 19:58.29 | shred805 | my device is /dev/cdrom0 |
| 19:58.59 | Diopter | calrogman: lulz |
| 19:59.15 | shred805 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1041333/ |
| 19:59.38 | calrogman | yeah, /dev/cdrom0 is usually a symlink to /dev/sr0, s*d*0 was a typo |
| 19:59.57 | shred805 | ok, thx |
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| 20:00.43 | shred805 | /dev/sr0': Input/output error |
| 20:00.44 | ompaul | shred805: you do know there is http://paste.debian.net a lot less orange on the page :) |
| 20:01.02 | shred805 | haha thx, didnt know |
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| 20:02.29 | shred805 | anything else i can try besides installing a new drive |
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| 20:04.19 | chatumao | hello there, someone give me a hand with my debian wheezy install? |
| 20:04.47 | boudiccas | !anyone |
| 20:04.47 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 20:06.29 | shred805 | does anyone use the 3.0 kernel? |
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| 20:06.35 | chatumao | well the installer asks me what kernel to install, i wonder which would be the best choice (linux-image-3.2.0-2-486 or linux-image-486) |
| 20:06.35 | JordiGH | shred805: Yes. |
| 20:06.45 | Diopter | 486? D: |
| 20:06.56 | shred805 | is it more stable |
| 20:07.04 | chatumao | what's so funny about that? |
| 20:07.37 | shred805 | about what? |
| 20:07.46 | chatumao | 486 |
| 20:08.00 | TheWarden | Hi, how do I list perl modules installed on a Debian system? perldoc? |
| 20:08.01 | JordiGH | D: is a face of dismay |
| 20:08.05 | JordiGH | Not of funny. |
| 20:08.21 | Diopter | chatumao: Because it tends to indicate that you're actually using wheezy on a 486. |
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| 20:08.38 | stew | (it doesn't matter because you are going to hit the busybox bug anyway) |
| 20:08.39 | chatumao | well then what's so horrible about that (excuse my lack of face recogintion) |
| 20:08.47 | JordiGH | TheWarden: You man non-core ones? |
| 20:08.54 | JordiGH | stew: What busybox bug? |
| 20:08.56 | chatumao | diopter, this not good? |
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| 20:09.15 | ompaul | TheWarden: the best I can think of is the overkill of dpkg -l | grep perl |
| 20:10.03 | stew | JordiGH: i'm guessing that someone using one of the wheezy installers is about to verify one of the known bugs |
| 20:10.08 | TheWarden | JordiGH: well both actually... its been awhile. I thought one did that with perldoc |
| 20:10.15 | stew | err one of the broken wheezy installers |
| 20:10.35 | GuySoft | hey all, i have a debian filesystem that got damaged, i managed to recover etc, var, home directory and boot. basically evreything apart from bin and usr/share usr lib and so on. |
| 20:10.49 | GuySoft | is there a way I can bootstrap and install all the packages that were on the system? |
| 20:10.55 | JordiGH | TheWarden: I don't think perldoc does that... |
| 20:11.02 | ompaul | TheWarden: the best I can think of is the overkill of dpkg -l | grep perl |
| 20:11.06 | GuySoft | i can't seem to chroot in to apt-get, it wont work, only dpkg seems to work |
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| 20:11.35 | justin | GuySoft: debootstrap a new install and copy /home over is your best bet |
| 20:11.48 | justin | GuySoft: then you can merge in what you need from /etc/ and /var |
| 20:12.52 | GuySoft | justin: i am talking to you now from a livecd of ubuntu. is there a way to det deboostrap to use the repositores in the systems sources? |
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| 20:13.33 | stew | GuySoft: you can pass debootstrap a mirror to use on the commandline |
| 20:13.35 | justin | GuySoft: the example from the debootstrap man page should work, debootstrap squeeze ./squeeze-chroot http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 20:14.14 | shred805 | anyone here have the LPIC2 cert |
| 20:14.44 | chatumao | can someone explain the difference between linux-image-3.2.0-2-486 and linux-image-486? |
| 20:15.06 | shred805 | i dono what 486 is |
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| 20:15.15 | justin | kids these days.. lol |
| 20:15.16 | shred805 | but -3.2.0-2 is the kernel revision |
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| 20:15.59 | GuySoft | stew: justin thanks :) will try that now |
| 20:16.22 | chatumao | i am installing wheezy from the debian-testing-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1 and it asks me which kernel |
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| 20:16.46 | shred805 | just pick the 3.2.0 one |
| 20:16.54 | GuySoft | justin: stew ah, also - can I make sure the system is a 32bit envireometn? |
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| 20:16.57 | shred805 | or install squeeze |
| 20:17.00 | shred805 | why do you want weezy |
| 20:17.05 | GuySoft | enviroment * |
| 20:17.10 | Nik05 | hey is aptitude broken in sid? :p |
| 20:17.15 | GuySoft | i am on a i3 intel cpu, and it should be able to work with both |
| 20:17.40 | chatumao | no one knows the differnce between these two entries? |
| 20:17.52 | Diopter | chatumao: The one without a version is virtual. |
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| 20:18.04 | Diopter | chatumao: It's going to pull in whatever the current version available in the repo. |
| 20:18.33 | chatumao | so if i wanted 3.3 i'd go with the virtual one? |
| 20:18.34 | dvs | Nik05: yes |
| 20:19.00 | Diopter | chatumao: No. If you're installing wheezy/testing, the newest available is 3.2.0-2 |
| 20:19.17 | Nik05 | ah ok thanks dvs :) |
| 20:19.25 | dvs | np |
| 20:19.25 | Diopter | chatumao: Exactly the version it offered you, in addition to the virtual package. |
| 20:19.45 | Nik05 | can i get it working when downgrading libept dvs? |
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| 20:20.02 | chatumao | any reason for me to chose the virtual over 3.2? |
| 20:20.05 | stew | Nik05: chech the bts for libept |
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| 20:20.31 | Nik05 | ok :) |
| 20:21.35 | Nik05 | oh its fixed an hour ago |
| 20:21.53 | dvs | that was fast |
| 20:22.46 | stew | chatumao: chosing the virtual means "i want to stay with whatever is current when new kernels are released" |
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| 20:22.54 | stew | chatumao: 3.3 will never be in wheezy, btw |
| 20:23.15 | Webhostbudd | is there any way to make a debian install in my own user directory on an hpux system? |
| 20:23.17 | Diopter | But if you track 'testing' instead of 'wheezy', you'll get there eventually. |
| 20:23.36 | stew | well, not to 3.3, but to 3.4+ perhaps |
| 20:23.36 | Diopter | Webhostbudd: If you can get debootstrap to run... |
| 20:23.44 | Webhostbudd | Diopter: alright |
| 20:24.04 | Nik05 | how long does it take to get a package on the ftp servers? |
| 20:24.30 | shred805 | how many licks does it take to get to the center of a lollypop? |
| 20:24.37 | shred805 | jk |
| 20:24.59 | stew | Nik05: depends on the mirror |
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| 20:25.06 | Nik05 | ftp.debian.org? :P |
| 20:25.31 | chatumao | how to get 3.3, then? |
| 20:25.46 | Diopter | chatumao: You don't want 3.3 |
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| 20:26.32 | Diopter | chatumao: Check kernel.org so you can understand better what kernel versions exist and what you can look forward to. 3.3.x is EOL'd as of June 1st, apparently. |
| 20:26.54 | stew | chatumao: what do you need from 3.3 that 3.2 doesn' thave? |
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| 20:28.09 | chatumao | well i'm a total newbie, as you may already have figured, what would be your suggestion in regard of which kernel to go with? |
| 20:28.37 | stew | the one that comes with your system |
| 20:28.42 | Diopter | ^ |
| 20:29.04 | chatumao | yeah, that's agood one |
| 20:29.25 | chatumao | if i wanted to learn a lttle about debian |
| 20:29.30 | stew | chatumao: if you are a total newbie, you should probably not be bothering to help test the wheezy installer |
| 20:29.44 | shred805 | yeah if your a newbie install a stable release |
| 20:29.46 | shred805 | and kernel |
| 20:30.00 | shred805 | otherwise your asking for problems |
| 20:30.18 | chatumao | so go with the 486 of squeeze, then |
| 20:30.21 | stew | chatumao: you are using the wheezy installer? is that correct? |
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| 20:30.27 | boudiccas | chatumao: install squeeze which is stable, and you'll get a better learning environment |
| 20:30.33 | stew | chatumao: if so which? the alpha1 installer or a daily? |
| 20:30.39 | chatumao | stew, yes |
| 20:30.55 | stew | chatumao: which one? |
| 20:30.59 | ompaul | chatumao: beginners should use stable, learn their debian, so it is not frustrating, get all the fun stuff like codecs (which is not too hard these days) and things like your hardware running in a well understood environment - then move on when they feel they want more |
| 20:31.09 | kian | hi, i have entries for my hostname/domain in /etc/hosts, an unqualified hostname in /etc/hostname - however i cannot ping by short hostname within the local domain (e.g., ping somehost). any idea why? |
| 20:31.14 | chatumao | loaded it under weekly builds |
| 20:31.25 | stew | chatumao: did you read the errata? |
| 20:31.45 | chatumao | don't think so |
| 20:31.48 | stew | this is probably going to be an exercise in verifying that the busybox bug still exists in the installer |
| 20:31.56 | Diopter | kian: Do you actually have a DNS server which understands whatever your local domain is? |
| 20:32.20 | kian | Diopter: no, but according to resolv.conf manual, 'domain' should default to the local domain |
| 20:32.34 | kian | thus "ping shortname" should work |
| 20:32.39 | chatumao | i will get a stable release for now as suggested, thx for your help! |
| 20:32.57 | shred805 | paste your /ets/hosts file |
| 20:33.12 | shred805 | etc* |
| 20:33.13 | kian | 192.168.1.1 me.domain.com me |
| 20:33.42 | shred805 | ping me doesnt work? |
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| 20:34.06 | Nik05 | hey guys was that bug with libcairo2 already fixed? |
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| 20:34.18 | Nik05 | cant find the bug report :( |
| 20:34.37 | Diopter | kian: I presume you're trying to ping blah.domain.com, another box in the local network, by just "ping blah" |
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| 20:34.43 | kian | Diopter: yes |
| 20:34.52 | Diopter | kian: So step one is seeing if you can ping it using the FQDN. "ping blah.domain.com" |
| 20:34.58 | kian | i can |
| 20:35.03 | tharkun | Diopter: a machine on the local domain, not necesarily local network |
| 20:35.19 | Diopter | tharkun: Granted. Could span any number of networks. |
| 20:35.34 | kian | if i specify "domain domain.com" in /etc/resolv.conf, it works, however - the manpage seems to indicate that i shouldnt have to do that |
| 20:35.39 | tharkun | kian: grep domain /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:35.54 | Diopter | kian: Only if you have your hostname specified correctly per what gethostname(2) returns. |
| 20:36.11 | tharkun | kian: if you don't tell it the domain how is the command supposed to know it? |
| 20:36.14 | kian | gethostname(2) returns the unqualified local hostname |
| 20:36.38 | kian | from resolv.conf(5): If no domain entry is present, the domain is determined from the local hostname returned by gethostname(2); the domain part is taken to be everything after the first '.'. |
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| 20:37.20 | kian | isnt that incorrect, because gethostname(2) only returns unqualified name? |
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| 20:38.31 | Diopter | kian: Looks like gethostname() calls uname() and grabs the nodename field. |
| 20:38.39 | Diopter | kian: So uname -n to check |
| 20:39.06 | Diopter | kian: I bet you'll get the short name back. Which means you probably want to modify /etc/hostname |
| 20:39.26 | kian | Diopter: but /etc/hostname is supposed to only contain unqualified hostname |
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| 20:40.15 | Diopter | kian: Historically, yes. Though the manpage also indicates that a FQDN is probably fine there. |
| 20:40.22 | stew | its unfortunately not definitive whether or not /etc/hostname should be fully qualified or not. there are apps that require it to be fully qualified, but those are rare |
| 20:40.41 | stew | which is a silly requirement, since hostname --fqdn works |
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| 20:40.48 | Diopter | stew: Quite. |
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| 20:41.00 | stew | ganeti being the one glaring outlier that I know of |
| 20:41.28 | stew | software that does very sophisticated things with clusters of vms, but not sophisticated enough to look up the fqdn |
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| 20:42.14 | Diopter | kian: Or you can avoid the issue in the first place by not relying on resolve.conf to assume the local/search domains |
| 20:42.27 | Diopter | Just specify it manually, and you can retain the shortname in /etc/hostname |
| 20:42.50 | kian | yeah i guesss |
| 20:42.56 | kian | just seems like the manpage needs to be updated then |
| 20:43.15 | stew | Diopter: btw, I did see your comment about partition resizing the other night after I had gone to bed, and smiled :) |
| 20:43.24 | Diopter | stew: heheh |
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| 20:46.37 | sh_sh | is it normal the i can't install from certain lenny sources? |
| 20:46.43 | sh_sh | this is my error |
| 20:46.45 | sh_sh | http://paste.debian.net/174557/ |
| 20:47.12 | sh_sh | the sources 404 as well in the apt-get update |
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| 20:47.53 | stew | sh_sh: lenny is old enough that it is no longer supported and has been moved off the mirrors |
| 20:48.00 | stew | sh_sh: its now on archive.debian.org |
| 20:48.23 | stew | sh_sh: consider upgrading to squeeze at your earliest convenience (see chapter 4 of the squeeze release notes) |
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| 20:48.41 | sh_sh | stew: make sense, thx |
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| 20:48.52 | sh_sh | makes* |
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| 20:51.04 | drathir | hi... anyone have issue with interfaces that if configured with auto eth0 and auto eth0:1 all static when unplugged the eth wire interface eth0 loose static vaules? |
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| 21:10.06 | karlpinc | !tell drathir about 70 |
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| 21:10.15 | karlpinc | drathir: Idon't know if that's relevant or not. |
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| 21:18.41 | drathir | karlpinc: thanks i will checks thats way looking interesting... |
| 21:19.31 | madi | hi! here gnome 3, gnome-classic version, debian sid. How can I change default application (browser) ? |
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| 21:20.27 | madi | i am googling without results |
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| 21:21.57 | stew | madi: with gnome-control-center? |
| 21:21.59 | Diopter | madi: Um... update-alternatives --list x-www-browser, to see the options, then update-alternatives --set x-www-browser <choice> |
| 21:22.20 | stew | that too |
| 21:22.44 | madi | thanks, trying |
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| 21:25.10 | madi | Diopter, it worked, thanks a lot |
| 21:25.18 | Diopter | Cool |
| 21:25.54 | alex_under | Hello |
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| 21:26.05 | alex_under | Has someone experienced slow USB transfers ? |
| 21:26.23 | Diopter | alex_under: Yes. And fast ones. |
| 21:26.48 | frostschutz | wow, someone with usb3 :) |
| 21:26.55 | JordiGH | alex_under: Yes, someone has. |
| 21:27.07 | kevlarman | Diopter: you win the award for best answer in the history of irc |
| 21:27.30 | alex_under | Diopter: I mean I have an USB stick that in Windows works around 9-10 mB / sec on writes and in Debian I barley get 1 mB/s (in a good case) writes. |
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| 21:27.52 | kevlarman | alex_under: what fs? |
| 21:27.57 | alex_under | Well |
| 21:28.05 | alex_under | NTFS and FAT32 |
| 21:28.22 | kevlarman | ntfs-3g isn't exactly known for being fast |
| 21:28.33 | alex_under | in windows I used NTFS... formatted the drive in Linux to FAT32 and same speed |
| 21:28.34 | kevlarman | no clue about the fat driver |
| 21:28.38 | Iridos | not?! The scandal! |
| 21:28.46 | Diopter | kevlarman: woo! :D |
| 21:28.53 | kevlarman | alex_under: i'd try ext2 out of curiosity |
| 21:29.06 | alex_under | kevlarman: ok, wait a sec |
| 21:29.23 | Iridos | but actually I didn't see any latency on a regular harddisk... I doubt ntfs-3g is suddenly much slower on a usb stick than on a hard disk |
| 21:29.35 | GuySoft | hey all - if i run dpkg -l i should get all the packages listed in my system correct? or is it ommiting anything? |
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| 21:30.34 | stew | GuySoft: it should get all the packages installed on your system and likely some that aren't installed on your system |
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| 21:30.42 | ompaul | GuySoft: man dpkg says -l, --list package-name-pattern... |
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| 21:31.24 | nvz | a lot of people fail to understand that USB while a Universal Serial Bus, its shared bandwidth.. and many users also fail to realize what all is on that bus |
| 21:31.47 | GuySoft | stew: is there a way to get rid of the ones not installed? are those ones with residual configuration? |
| 21:32.30 | stew | GuySoft: dpkg -l | grep ^.i |
| 21:32.48 | stew | GuySoft: but there are probably better ways of getting package lists. what exactly are your motivations? |
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| 21:36.18 | alex_under1 | Hmm |
| 21:36.23 | Iridos | mmH |
| 21:36.30 | alex_under1 | Well I formatted to ext2 |
| 21:36.31 | dvs | mmmh |
| 21:36.48 | alex_under1 | And I still have a few seconds of burst speed and slow write afterwards |
| 21:36.59 | k1ng_ | !up k1ngdom |
| 21:37.01 | k1ng_ | !up k1ngdom.net |
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| 21:39.49 | alex_under1 | nvz: so what do you suggest that a webcamera (that doesn't work) and a USB mouse eats all 480 mbits/s USB 2.0 speed ? |
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| 21:43.06 | Iridos | alex_under1, you might look what dmesg says when you plug in the stick, perhaps there's some warnings about things going wrong |
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| 21:47.09 | GuySoft | hey all, does anyone here have a recipe to install all packages from one Debian system on another? |
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| 21:47.52 | alex_under1 | Iridos: here's the info |
| 21:48.07 | alex_under1 | when i plug the USB, I don't see anything suspicious |
| 21:48.45 | Iridos | dpkg, tell GuySoft about debian clone |
| 21:49.02 | Iridos | dpkg, tell GuySoft about aptitude clone |
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| 21:50.36 | GuySoft | Iridos: i can googel it once I have the name - the question is would aptitude clone work when the system I am cloning has no aptitiude? |
| 21:50.54 | GuySoft | Iridos: i am recovering a damaged FS. I have etc var and the home dirs |
| 21:51.07 | GuySoft | but usr/bin and /bin are damaged |
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| 21:52.17 | Iridos | GuySoft, dpkg told you details in a private message.... and obviously you first need the program doing the installation stuff installed |
| 21:52.52 | Iridos | but anyway, this won't help you with damaged files in packages |
| 21:53.06 | Iridos | for that you have to reinstall all packages, not clone the package list of another machine |
| 21:53.07 | ompaul | GuySoft: this was suggested to you about an hour and a half ago I guess if you had started it then you'd be finished more or less by now " debootstrap man page should work, debootstrap squeeze ./squeeze-chroot http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian " |
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| 21:54.17 | Iridos | didn't know it was double-jeopardy night again |
| 21:54.50 | ompaul | Iridos: we lost - that's not jeopardy :) |
| 21:54.55 | GuySoft | ompaul: yes i have a bootstrap ready |
| 21:55.11 | GuySoft | Iridos: ah ok, didnt see it in this web client :-/ |
| 21:55.24 | alex_under1 | Well, none has an idea about solving the slow usb issue ? |
| 21:56.43 | GuySoft | Iridos: well the problem is dpkg aptitude and apt-get dont work on the system that needs to be clone, I managed to run busybox which has dpkg, but only the -l flag |
| 21:57.19 | GuySoft | ompaul: the problem is now how to merge the running bootstrap with the flacked system |
| 21:57.30 | GuySoft | flaked* |
| 21:57.35 | ompaul | GuySoft: install clean and bring back your configs later |
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| 21:57.56 | ompaul | GuySoft: that was the suggestion from about and hour and 3/4 ago |
| 21:58.04 | GuySoft | ompaul: the problem is I dont know what to install, it was a pretty big system, a lot of packages were installed |
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| 21:58.31 | ompaul | GuySoft: y9ou have var you can look at the /var/logs/apt and see what you see |
| 21:58.34 | GuySoft | ompaul: thats why i am asking - how to see what packages are installed |
| 21:58.38 | ompaul | GuySoft: this is not going to be 100% |
| 21:58.45 | ompaul | GuySoft: you will fix slowly over time |
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| 21:58.51 | tremon | GuySoft: so, what do you have left on that system? anything in /bin? |
| 21:59.22 | GuySoft | tremon: yes, there are a few binaries, but it seems most of the coreutils programs, (and bash) seemed to have messed up |
| 21:59.42 | drathir | GuySoft: try synaptics |
| 22:00.00 | GuySoft | i tried chroot with various things like apt-get or dpkg, but it claimed it can't find them |
| 22:00.27 | GuySoft | i copied the busybox from the ubuntu livecd i am on, that has a basic form of dpkg, so i can get some kind of list |
| 22:00.29 | tremon | GuySoft: did you try ls ? |
| 22:01.00 | GuySoft | tremon: ls was one of the programs that was moved to /lost+found . i copied it but no luck on it |
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| 22:01.35 | Diopter | GuySoft: dpkg --get-selections | awk '/install/ { print $1 }', might help |
| 22:01.42 | GuySoft | tremon: the binares are are there, but when i chroot it says "X not found" |
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| 22:02.01 | tremon | GuySoft: so you did try to ls the dir? |
| 22:02.12 | GuySoft | Diopter: dpkg on busybox, (which is the only dpkg i can get to run on the messed up system) does not have the --get-selections flag, only -l |
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| 22:03.09 | GuySoft | tremon: yes, the dir is missing important stuff from coreutils, like cp, ls, stuff like that |
| 22:03.35 | themill | GuySoft: you can just do the base install and then get the installed dpkg to look at the status file to extract data out of it. (--admindir) |
| 22:03.38 | GuySoft | tremon: apt-get and aptitude are there, but i cant run them inside a chroot |
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| 22:04.00 | GuySoft | themill: ah that should work :) |
| 22:04.01 | GuySoft | lets see |
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| 22:09.27 | GuySoft | themill: thanks for the flag, that worked :) |
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| 22:15.30 | GuySoft | hmm, dpkg --set-selections seems not to work :( |
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| 22:16.41 | jordanm | !doesn't work |
| 22:16.42 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 22:19.39 | stew | GuySoft: how are you checking if it worked or not? |
| 22:19.57 | stew | GuySoft: note that "/msg dpkg aptitude clone" is probably a better way to do whatever you are doing |
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| 22:23.01 | Iridos | stew, it's already the wrong question... and a longer story which I only noticed too late as well |
| 22:23.05 | blast_hardcheese | Alright, this is really getting to me, looking for suggestions on solutions: |
| 22:23.07 | chatumao | can someone tell me how to install firmware for intel 2100? i already have the fw on usb stick running debian 6.05 |
| 22:23.19 | blast_hardcheese | I'm using the i3 window manager, gtk3 menus are unusable about 50% of the time I try. |
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| 22:23.54 | blast_hardcheese | Clicking on a menu occasionally brings up that menu, (whether it's a window-widget-based menu or a menubar menu), sometimes it appears somewhere else on the screen, sometimes it just disappears. Even if the menu does appear for a brief period of time, when I mouseover elements in the menu, sometimes it resizes itself to unusably small dimensions and hides in the upper left corner of the screen. |
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| 22:24.39 | Iridos | chatumao, during install or on an already installed system |
| 22:24.54 | chatumao | already installed |
| 22:25.33 | chatumao | cannot establish a wifi connection with my atheros by console unfortunately no wifi manager installed |
| 22:25.54 | blast_hardcheese | chatumao: What wireless security do you use? |
| 22:26.04 | chatumao | wpa2 |
| 22:26.05 | blast_hardcheese | if it's no auth or wep you can just use iwconfig |
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| 22:26.11 | blast_hardcheese | and you don't have wpa-supplicant? |
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| 22:26.17 | blast_hardcheese | usually that comes standard |
| 22:26.19 | chatumao | tried with that |
| 22:26.35 | blast_hardcheese | and? |
| 22:26.57 | chatumao | syntax error |
| 22:27.02 | chatumao | unexspected token |
| 22:27.34 | blast_hardcheese | paste/gist your /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 22:28.10 | chatumao | come again? |
| 22:28.17 | chatumao | paste/gist? |
| 22:28.22 | psiklops | !paste |
| 22:28.22 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 22:29.40 | chatumao | blast_hardcheese, how to paste/gist? |
| 22:29.54 | blast_hardcheese | chatumao: Read what dpkg said |
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| 22:30.06 | blast_hardcheese | psiklops was answering your question |
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| 22:31.09 | chatumao | so i basically just upload my wpa_supplicant.conf to http://paste.debian.net, for example? |
| 22:31.18 | blast_hardcheese | Yes |
| 22:31.26 | blast_hardcheese | replacing your sensitive info |
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| 22:33.38 | chatumao | i do not have this file here |
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| 22:33.51 | blast_hardcheese | Where are you getting the syntax error from then...? |
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| 22:34.55 | psiklops | chatumao, you can paste that too |
| 22:35.28 | chatumao | i run the terminal as root with the comman :"iwconfig wlan0 essid [ID] key [Key], tried key w/ and w/out s:-parameter |
| 22:35.43 | blast_hardcheese | Ah. iwconfig can't do wpa/2 |
| 22:35.49 | jordanm | only WEP |
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| 22:35.51 | blast_hardcheese | so there's that. |
| 22:35.53 | chatumao | w/out" at the beginning of course |
| 22:35.57 | blast_hardcheese | and plain auth. |
| 22:36.05 | blast_hardcheese | err, no auth |
| 22:36.17 | blast_hardcheese | gets his head out of Apache |
| 22:36.17 | chatumao | well, anyway to connect? |
| 22:36.28 | chatumao | other distros can do that out of the box |
| 22:36.30 | blast_hardcheese | iwconfig only does no encryption and WEP |
| 22:36.45 | blast_hardcheese | chatumao: wpa supplicant (or equivalent) is required |
| 22:36.48 | Diopter | It's not that difficult to do. |
| 22:36.51 | jordanm | chatumao: there is wpa_cli, but I would recommend network-manager |
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| 22:36.57 | Diopter | Assuming you have wpa_supplicant installed. |
| 22:37.01 | blast_hardcheese | jordanm: Not wicd? |
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| 22:37.17 | Diopter | wpa_passphrase <ssid> <passphrase> > ssid.conf |
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| 22:37.20 | jordanm | blast_hardcheese: no, I have encountered way more bugs with wicd than I ever have with n-m |
| 22:37.24 | Diopter | Quote your passphrase if it has odd symbols or spaces |
| 22:37.28 | blast_hardcheese | jordanm: interesting |
| 22:37.29 | blast_hardcheese | k |
| 22:37.40 | Diopter | Then wpa_supplicant -i wlan0 -c ssid.conf |
| 22:38.01 | Diopter | dhclient wlan0 once the supplicant authenticates |
| 22:38.17 | jordanm | blast_hardcheese: the first time I used it, it spit a couple GBs into my .xsession_errors file in a few hours. last time I used it (yesterday) it failed to detect wireless networks where n-m did just fine |
| 22:38.59 | blast_hardcheese | jordanm: rofl, that's fantastic |
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| 22:39.44 | blast_hardcheese | I've got a bad taste in my mouth from n-m deciding it's a good idea to occasionally disconnect interfaces I've manually configured |
| 22:39.50 | kevlarman | jordanm: i think my .xsession_errors is still linked to /dev/null :P |
| 22:39.59 | blast_hardcheese | wicd only messes with the interface it's currently using. |
| 22:40.37 | jordanm | RHEL6 uses n-m for everything now, even headless servers |
| 22:40.55 | blast_hardcheese | well aware of that, and it's perfect for machines that don't move or change much. |
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| 22:41.24 | kevlarman | the thing that pisses me off about n-m is if it takes 30 minutes to upgrade packages, that's 30 minutes without networking |
| 22:41.59 | jordanm | I hadn't experienced that, and running sid at home, I had to have upgraded n-m quite a few times |
| 22:42.09 | kevlarman | this was ages ago |
| 22:42.35 | kevlarman | but n-m would bring down all interfaces when it was uninstalled (dpkg would uninstall the old versions, then install the new ones) |
| 22:42.43 | GuySoft | hey, i am getting this error message, how can i fix it?: root@ubuntu:/# dpkg --admindir=/rootsystem/var/lib/dpkg --get-selections dpkg: file triggers record mentions illegal package name `libgtk2.0-0:i386' (for interest in file `/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodules'): character `:' not allowed (only letters, digits and characters `-+._') |
| 22:42.48 | chatumao | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.13 | kevlarman | GuySoft: your dpkg doesn't know about multiarch |
| 22:43.13 | Diopter | chatumao: What tells you? wpa_supplicant -i wlan0 -c ssid.conf? |
| 22:44.11 | GuySoft | kevlarman: is there a way to get it do know? its a bootstrap i just created |
| 22:44.28 | chatumao | yes, this command. it tell me resource temporarily unavailable/device or resource busy/failed to initiate ap scan |
| 22:44.54 | Diopter | chatumao: Sounds like you've got something else talking to your wireless adapter. |
| 22:45.20 | chatumao | i did the iwconfig wlan0 up before, maybe that's that |
| 22:45.35 | jordanm | !tell GuySoft about ubuntu |
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| 22:48.54 | GuySoft | how do i get dpkg to know about multiarch?? |
| 22:49.29 | themill | GuySoft: install the right version of the distribution |
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| 22:50.10 | GuySoft | its squeeze i386 :-/ |
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| 22:50.11 | stew | GuySoft: use at least 1.16.3 |
| 22:50.18 | stew | GuySoft: then you cannot |
| 22:50.40 | GuySoft | themill: is debian not ubuntu. the ubuntu in that command line is the host name, not the distro |
| 22:50.41 | stew | GuySoft: you are using ubuntu? |
| 22:50.44 | blast_hardcheese | So, regarding my earlier question, anyone else having problems with gtk3 menus jumping, resizing, and generally being unusable? |
| 22:50.46 | chatumao | i physically removed usb wifi and plugged it in again, did the first and second command, but after the second it doesnt show anything anymore |
| 22:50.54 | GuySoft | stew: i am using ubuntu, but i am chrooted in to debian |
| 22:51.02 | chatumao | how long is this supposed to be? |
| 22:51.17 | stew | GuySoft: you are chrooted? are you sure? |
| 22:51.37 | stew | GuySoft: what is /rootsystem ? |
| 22:51.39 | GuySoft | stew: yes, but i think we got the problem, dpkg is version 1.15.8.12 |
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| 22:51.52 | stew | GuySoft: yes, that is stable |
| 22:51.56 | stew | aka squeeze |
| 22:51.59 | themill | GuySoft: you can't take a status file from wheezy and hope it works in squeeze |
| 22:52.18 | stew | GuySoft: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 22:54.04 | GuySoft | stew: my hardrive filesystem got corrupted, i managed to restore basically everything but /usr/bin and /bin |
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| 22:54.45 | stew | ok |
| 22:54.49 | GuySoft | stew: so i am trying to get a new envirement working, i am now on a livecd of ubuntu. |
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| 22:55.12 | stew | ok |
| 22:55.26 | stew | GuySoft: how do you know that everything other than /usr/bin and /bin are correct? |
| 22:55.58 | stew | so some of /bin is corrputed and some is not? |
| 22:56.05 | GuySoft | stew: so far i got a squeeze debootstrap , and I am trying to get the package list installed on it |
| 22:56.24 | stew | GuySoft: what version was there before? not squeeze? |
| 22:56.26 | GuySoft | stew: yes, mostly coreutils seemed to have gone in to lost+found |
| 22:56.34 | GuySoft | stew: no it was sid |
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| 22:56.44 | GuySoft | i guess i can make a new one with sid |
| 22:56.51 | stew | a new what? |
| 22:57.04 | GuySoft | stew: a new bootstrap |
| 22:57.09 | stew | it sounds like it would be far easier to just reinstall |
| 22:57.23 | stew | so right now, some of /lib is sid, and some is squeeze? |
| 22:57.42 | stew | (and the same for /usr/lib) |
| 22:57.46 | GuySoft | stew: right now I have my old os, and the bootstrap seprate |
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| 22:58.34 | GuySoft | stew: the damaged os I think was mostly sid. perhaps here and there some squeeze libs, but I did upgrade around two weeks, so it pretty up to date on sid |
| 22:58.45 | shm | I just called my ISP to confirm that i don't have a problem with uploading , but am unable to upload to online services .. like imgur.com with flash-plugin enabled .. tried both ( Gnash , Adobe-Flash ) instead it gets stuck at some random % Under Debian/ Ubuntu .. am able to under Windows 7 . |
| 22:59.06 | jordanm | !sid |
| 22:59.07 | dpkg | The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 22:59.42 | shm | i have tried to upload within ( Iceweasel / Epiphany ) with Adobe-flash plugin installed and purged gnash.am still unable to upload to online services. |
| 23:00.01 | GuySoft | jordanm: thats kinda not fun to hear, I spent all day assemble a 288 file-system puzzle |
| 23:00.16 | GuySoft | and the /bin parts are apparently missing :-/ |
| 23:00.49 | shm | Whats wrong! where should i look to troubleshoot this issue ? |
| 23:01.29 | GuySoft | shm: if its an adobe problem its hard to troubbleshoot. are you sure you are running the adobe flash plugin? |
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| 23:02.21 | shm | GuySoft: i installed ( flashplugin-nonfree ) .. is it the right package. |
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| 23:03.06 | GuySoft | shm: yes, did you make sure it actually installed? its a download script if i remember correctly (also thats an ubuntu package isnt it?) |
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| 23:03.21 | kaizoku | is there anywhere to get more information on the format of an apt repo? |
| 23:03.33 | kaizoku | I am trying to build a repo from other repos, but I am exporting everything into main |
| 23:03.35 | GuySoft | checksout a sid bootstrap |
| 23:03.56 | kaizoku | explicit package installs work, but depends do not if they are in a different component |
| 23:04.12 | jagginess | shm, you might to allow it more cache--> http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager03.html (flash settings) |
| 23:04.17 | rypervenche | ,versions scummvm |
| 23:04.18 | judd | Package: scummvm on i386 -- lenny: 0.11.1-1; squeeze: 1.1.1-1; sid: 1.4.1-1; wheezy: 1.4.1-1 |
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| 23:05.31 | jagginess | kaizoku, google: "dpkg-scanpackages repository how debian wiki" |
| 23:06.00 | jagginess | kaizoku, for local, you'll be able to use "file:////" in sources.list |
| 23:06.36 | kaizoku | well, I am building a tool to manage an http repo |
| 23:06.50 | kaizoku | which manages the .debs and creates Release and Packages by hand |
| 23:06.54 | jagginess | kaizoku, you're not managing a repo |
| 23:07.00 | jagginess | kaizoku, ???? |
| 23:07.04 | kaizoku | not an official debian repo |
| 23:07.09 | shm | GuySoft: its a debian package , am running wheezy .. and you are right it was installed under /tmp |
| 23:07.16 | jagginess | kaizoku, rtfm |
| 23:07.18 | jagginess | ! |
| 23:07.23 | kaizoku | jagginess: there is no manual |
| 23:07.23 | shm | `/tmp/flashplugin-nonfree.OcoyYyKcih/install_flash_player_11_linux.i386.tar.gz' saved [6916648/6916648] |
| 23:07.25 | kaizoku | that's the problem |
| 23:07.33 | kaizoku | the apt repo format is not documented at all as far as I can tell |
| 23:07.40 | kaizoku | I have read the page on dpkg-scanpackages |
| 23:07.40 | jagginess | lol |
| 23:07.44 | themill | kaizoku: the world doesn't need another repo management tool; and the formats are most definitely documented |
| 23:07.45 | GuySoft | shm: installed under /tmp ?? |
| 23:07.51 | kaizoku | themill: where? |
| 23:07.58 | GuySoft | shm: tmp is temporary |
| 23:07.59 | kaizoku | all I can find are email threads arguing about the lack of documentation |
| 23:08.18 | themill | kaizoku: http://wiki.debian.org/RepositoryFormat |
| 23:08.26 | themill | dpkg: tell kaizoku about own repo |
| 23:08.36 | themill | kaizoku: just use something that already exists... like reprepro |
| 23:08.40 | stew | kaizoku: the "repository howto" documents the the format. use dpkg-scanpackage for something simple (a few packages, one version each, one arch, one release), for anything more complicated use reprepro |
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| 23:08.55 | kaizoku | oh, I missed that wiki page apparently :p |
| 23:08.55 | kaizoku | thanks |
| 23:09.06 | kaizoku | I can't use reprepo for what I am trying to do |
| 23:09.11 | themill | why not? |
| 23:09.35 | kaizoku | ok, well maybe you could, but most of this codebase has already been written |
| 23:09.47 | kaizoku | and deployed, and it's not up to me to rewrite it |
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| 23:10.10 | nsadmin | , v reviewboard |
| 23:10.12 | judd | No package named 'reviewboard' was found in i386. |
| 23:10.45 | kaizoku | the problem is that in dists/ there is only "main", but the Packages file in main refers to files in pools other than main |
| 23:11.05 | kaizoku | I'm not even sure if that breaks spec, or if that is ok? |
| 23:11.50 | Spec | no, it's never okay to break spec. |
| 23:12.05 | kaizoku | well I don't know whether that breaks specifications or not..... |
| 23:12.14 | kaizoku | I'm not saying it's ok to break spec |
| 23:12.45 | GuySoft | stew: thanks for the tip , works with sid :) |
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| 23:12.57 | jagginess | Spec says not to break spec.. I think he's serious :) |
| 23:13.08 | kaizoku | haha, I didn't even catch that |
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| 23:15.11 | shm | jagginess: from whitch tab i can give it more cache? |
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| 23:15.54 | jagginess | shm, i cant troubleshoot this for ya.. just show you were there are settings for flash |
| 23:16.27 | jagginess | shm, "about:plugins" (in url box) should say adobe flash however, and not gnash |
| 23:16.57 | shm | jagginess: sure. |
| 23:17.11 | shm | Yes , its says ' Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202 ' |
| 23:17.13 | jagginess | shm, one last guess is, perhaps that site is picky on the user-agent string.. |
| 23:17.36 | jagginess | shm, there's addon for firefox to easily change the useragent to mimick your OS as being on winbloze or a mac.. |
| 23:18.00 | jagginess | shm, (sorry.. to "mimick" the reported string "as if" your OS is a windows or mac) |
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| 23:20.59 | shm | jagginess: which site you're referring to .. |
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| 23:21.38 | jagginess | shm, mozilla add-ons site of course |
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| 23:22.38 | jagginess | shm, you may need to get a separate community useragent list to "inject" into the plugin, if the plugin doesnt come with a default one.. |
| 23:23.04 | GuySoft | stupid, but the python script here does the trick (after a minor tweak): http://penguinpackets.com/~kelly/kblog/blog/01255459014 |
| 23:23.05 | shm | jagginess: right i'll look for th add-ons there , but i meant which site you think it might be picky on user-agent string .. |
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| 23:23.11 | jagginess | shm, I cant troubleshoot this for you.. |
| 23:23.30 | jagginess | shm, because there's x factors involved here.. |
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| 23:27.20 | as15446 | Anyone have any idea how to get lastb / btmp working on debian? |
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| 23:27.49 | as15446 | I created the file. Chmod 600, root:utmp |
| 23:28.27 | as15446 | But it just doesn't feel the need to log to that file. Even though the line in login.defs is not commented |
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| 23:35.40 | LtL | as15446: lastb and last commands have always worked 'out of the box' under Squeeze. just an fyi |
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| 23:35.53 | as15446 | Really? |
| 23:36.12 | LtL | as15446: really, lastb requires root btw |
| 23:36.19 | as15446 | btmp file didn't even exist for me, I had to create it myself. |
| 23:36.31 | as15446 | Yeah, I sudo it. |
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| 23:37.05 | as15446 | It's just not logging to the file. Even if I ssh and botch my password until it reaches max. Tries |
| 23:37.22 | as15446 | It doesn't put anything in btmp |
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| 23:38.36 | shm | jagginess: I much appreciate it . |
| 23:39.00 | jagginess | shm, np |
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| 23:40.12 | jagginess | shm, i noticed there's a bunch of linux related tools/addon stuff for firefox http://imgur.com/apps .. |
| 23:40.22 | jagginess | shm, good luck.. |
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| 23:44.06 | shm | jagginess: http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel .. the add-one is not available under Wheezy . |
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| 23:45.56 | as15446 | Does anyone actually have btmp working on their machine? |
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| 23:49.09 | LtL | as15446: file '/var/log/btmp' should be chmod 0660 chowned root.utmp |
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| 23:50.31 | as15446 | Ah yea? I read somewhere else that writable group wasn't necessary, tried it out of desparation. I'll try changing that. |
| 23:50.59 | LtL | as15446: that's what mine shows and i've never touched it. |
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| 23:51.07 | as15446 | Works fine? |
| 23:51.36 | LtL | as15446: works perfectly always has, lenny on back too |
| 23:52.07 | as15446 | Maybe I don't understand what it's supposed to be doing? I assumed it would log ssh login failures. |
| 23:52.48 | shm | as15446: http://www.debian-administration.org/users/Kellen/weblog/1 |
| 23:52.59 | LtL | as15446: auth.log generally does that, last and lastb show local attempts iirc |
| 23:53.21 | as15446 | Ah really? |
| 23:53.54 | LtL | as15446: last has never shown me ssh attempts |
| 23:54.04 | as15446 | Well that certainly makes sense if that's the case. |
| 23:54.06 | as15446 | Lol |
| 23:54.10 | LtL | as15446: /var/log/auth.log does |
| 23:54.10 | as15446 | Let's find out |
| 23:54.11 | chatumao | i need to install firmware for intel 2100, somebody know how w/out internet connection? |
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| 23:56.03 | shm | chatumao: see http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 |
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| 23:57.01 | as15446 | LtL: Well, it sure does a nice job of local login failure logging haha |
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| 23:57.51 | chatumao | i'm not sure if i get this right, but don't i need a connection for this procedure? |
| 23:57.57 | LtL | as15446: that's a good thing. last should show system crashes, reboots etc, lastb shows bad login local attempts |
| 23:58.12 | shm | chatumao: you need a wired connection. |
| 23:58.51 | chatumao | iwconfig tells me that there are no extensions |
| 23:58.51 | as15446 | True |
| 23:59.20 | as15446 | LtL: I was just hoping for a less ugly format for ssh login fails. I like to constantly block random ip ranges that are trying to brute force root. |
| 23:59.45 | LtL | as15446: that would be a long list. |