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| 00:00.09 | lusers | hash: As of DebianSqueeze, if you ask for the Desktop task during the installation, that pulls in sudo with a default configuration that automatically grants sudo-ing rights to any member of the 'sudo' group. Depending on what user accounts you set up during the install, it's still possible that you may not have been added to that group - you can check by running 'groups'. |
| 00:00.30 | lusers | hash: The whole point of not telling you (or rather forcing you) so you can learn how to do it yourself next time. :) |
| 00:00.47 | craigevil | hash, copy the root line root ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL and change root to your username |
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| 00:01.16 | cardamon | Grr. |
| 00:01.18 | craigevil | or add your user to to sudo group, and add %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL |
| 00:01.38 | cardamon | Can't paste into urxvt. |
| 00:02.16 | craigevil | ctrl+shift+alt |
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| 00:02.33 | lusers | cardamon: autocutsel? ;o |
| 00:02.37 | cardamon | ⎈ |
| 00:02.49 | cardamon | ...that is not what I attempted to paste. |
| 00:04.19 | lusers | hash: You need to add your user to 'sudo' group. "man adduser" (and log in/out) |
| 00:05.01 | hash2 | lusers i get that you dont wanna spoon feed me the answers which is good |
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| 00:05.33 | Tordek | hi |
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| 00:05.40 | lusers | hash2: The answer/command is rather easy, to be honest. |
| 00:06.02 | Tordek | what's the deal with scim+qt4 on wheezy? I see scim-bridge is gone |
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| 00:07.10 | hash2 | lusers: yeah i am finding a lot of linux commands are pretty easy its just remembering it all |
| 00:08.02 | hash2 | lusers: and im used to windows ive had ubuntu about 2 weeks and debian for about 6 hrs |
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| 00:10.24 | cardamon | hash2: Learn the ones you use. Google the ones you don't. |
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| 00:11.29 | cardamon | hash2: How do I <that thing you want to do> < in linux | in debian | while handcuffed and gagged inside of a trunk > |
| 00:12.26 | hash2 | cardamon: i use google alot but its sometimes a bit easier and quicker to get an answer from a person |
| 00:12.41 | cardamon | And that is why people hate this channel. |
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| 00:14.52 | bitfox | Hi guys, I need to update my debian lenny to squeeze... I updated the /etc/apt/sources.list by replacing the "lenny" with "stable" word for each row. Then, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade It's correct, right? |
| 00:15.22 | cardamon | I'm Not that I'm not guilty of it myself, but fact is, you have a brain. At least, I assume you do. When you ask someone else to use their brain in place of your brain, they get a strong urge to do exactly the opposite. |
| 00:15.34 | lusers | !lenny sources.list | bitfox |
| 00:16.04 | cardamon | bitfox: Moving it to stable is not the same as moving to squeeze...only mostly the same. |
| 00:16.14 | llliii | bitfox: did you try installing latest freeswitch on lenny ? |
| 00:16.38 | llliii | bitfox: i tried to do and it gave a compilation error. I am trying to avoid that problem too by upgrading to squeeze or making it working in lenny itself |
| 00:17.22 | lusers | bitfox: See !lenny->squeeze too. :) |
| 00:20.36 | bitfox | llliii: I did it, and it works well... but I'm worried. |
| 00:21.26 | bitfox | cardamon: what is the correct procedure? |
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| 00:22.12 | cardamon | There is not right or wrong. |
| 00:22.15 | llliii | worried about what ? |
| 00:22.32 | craigevil | hash, install the debian-handbook, debian-reference, reference-card, apt-dpkg-ref, aptitude-doc, and bookmark them all in your browser |
| 00:22.54 | llliii | bitfox: did you try http://www.howtoforge.com/upgrade-debian-lenny-to-squeeze-in-a-few-simple-steps |
| 00:23.06 | craigevil | hash, then 90% the things you dont know will be in the docs on your system |
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| 00:23.21 | cardamon | setting it to stable or squeeze both have the same immediate effect. |
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| 00:23.47 | cardamon | It's what happens when squeeze transitions to oldstable that changes it up. |
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| 00:25.13 | cardamon | That's annoying. flashplugin keeps crashing every time hulu hits a commercial break. Damn you non-free! |
| 00:25.40 | craigevil | updated to the newest flash? |
| 00:26.17 | cardamon | craigevil: Whatever's in wheezy. |
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| 00:26.33 | craigevil | that just installs the script, # update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
| 00:27.19 | craigevil | newest is 11.2.202.235 |
| 00:28.40 | bitfox | llliii: It works for me. After apt-get upgrade I reboot my system and I was happy to read, in the prompt the new version "6.0" :-) |
| 00:30.42 | llliii | bitfox: what steps did you follow ? |
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| 00:31.41 | llliii | bitfox: can you please list ? I am assuming you upgraded in the past 2-3 days ? |
| 00:31.48 | llliii | bitfox: i am trying to use http://www.howtoforge.com/upgrade-debian-lenny-to-squeeze-in-a-few-simple-steps |
| 00:32.02 | llliii | bitfox: but it stays hung at [Connecting to security.debian.org] |
| 00:32.56 | bitfox | llliii: I updated a week ago. |
| 00:33.10 | llliii | what was your sources.lst? |
| 00:33.17 | bitfox | llliii: what type of error did you collect? |
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| 00:33.54 | llliii | bitfox: http://pastebin.com/vDFgmTZy |
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| 00:34.53 | bitfox | I updated my sources.list. Then, I do an apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, reboot and at prompt I read the new version. |
| 00:35.35 | llliii | bitfox: can you paste the sources.list ??!! |
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| 00:37.24 | bitfox | llliii: one moment... |
| 00:37.34 | llliii | bitfox: ok, .. |
| 00:37.45 | bitfox | llliii: Could not resolve 'ftp.se.debian.org' did you check your nameservers? |
| 00:38.02 | llliii | i can ping google |
| 00:38.11 | bitfox | try: ping 'ftp.se.debian.org' |
| 00:38.14 | llliii | wiat neverming |
| 00:38.15 | llliii | ok |
| 00:38.37 | llliii | i can't ping |
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| 00:39.02 | llliii | but problem was with the network on the vmware |
| 00:39.07 | llliii | i will try again once i fix the netwrok |
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| 00:39.58 | llliii | bitfox: please see my pm |
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| 00:43.50 | llliii | bitfox: ? |
| 00:45.02 | Big_Brother | how do I change a user's sudo password to be different than his login password? |
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| 00:51.13 | cardamon | ...why would you want to? |
| 00:51.20 | cardamon | craigevil: Woo! No crash! |
| 00:51.55 | adrakoa | he |
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| 00:53.36 | Big_Brother | cardamon: because it's a security issue. |
| 00:53.45 | cardamon | Not really. |
| 00:54.26 | Big_Brother | cardamon: how is it not? |
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| 00:54.35 | cardamon | If a user shouldn't have sudoer permission...don't give it to them. |
| 00:54.50 | bitfox | llliii: this is my sources.list http://pastie.org/3907689 |
| 00:55.29 | Big_Brother | cardamon: I'm making a test box in which my partner and I give to our professor so he can test the basic security of it. |
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| 00:55.54 | cardamon | Or rather: multiple layers of the same class of security are equally vulnerable. It's like have two locks on a door instead of one. Both locks are still vulnerable to the same things. |
| 00:55.54 | SaNFouR | hi |
| 00:56.24 | Big_Brother | if he cracks the login to the sudo user, then it's a C. |
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| 00:56.29 | cardamon | Or even better...A locked entrance, and then another locked door past the foyer to the rest of the house. |
| 00:57.02 | Big_Brother | cardamon: you're only emphasizing why I need to change the sudo password from the user's login. |
| 00:57.30 | cardamon | Big_Brother: Yes. But I didn't realize you were asking me to do your homework. I'll shutup entirely. |
| 00:57.47 | Big_Brother | you're not doing my homework. |
| 00:57.57 | cardamon | You're darn right I'm not. |
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| 00:58.51 | Big_Brother | cardamon: the idea is to make a linux box in which the professor has a bit of trouble getting into. I just need help adding that second door behind the entrance. |
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| 00:59.03 | lcc | hi. http://wiki.debian.org/ar9170usb. http://wiki.debian.org/carl9170. |
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| 00:59.28 | lcc | how can I help the debian project include the free firmware by next stable release? |
| 00:59.49 | craigevil | so dont use sudo, and use ACL |
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| 01:00.12 | Johnsonite | Hi. |
| 01:01.10 | Big_Brother | craigevil: this looks a lot like NTFS permissions... for directories. |
| 01:01.20 | Johnsonite | I'm new to Debian, but I have used Ubuntu as a main OS, various other distros for some time.... Now the question... |
| 01:01.27 | craigevil | Big_Brother, install Bastille |
| 01:01.39 | rking1 | Weird symptoms, here - very troublesome wifi connection on this laptop (I've been away from home, and my family said it was giving troubles, so now I'm seeing them 1st-hand) - the ping times on the net will slowly increase to >5s, then eventually dmesg will say, "No probe response from AP" and it'll disconnect. |
| 01:01.41 | cardamon | And my point is that multiple layers of passphrase based security are equally vulnerable to the same attacks. It's like algorithm complexity reduced to Big O notation. It doesn't matter how many terms you put in, what I'm talking about is the overall degree of the problem. |
| 01:01.56 | Johnsonite | apt-get install is doing nothing for me, aptitude install, I thought was doing something but then just removed a whole bunch of things, & installed nothing.... Can anyone help me with this? |
| 01:02.21 | craigevil | Johnsonite, pastebin your source.list |
| 01:02.36 | cardamon | Cracking one password, two passwords, or two hundred passwords...it's all the same. You're talking about a problem in multiples of the same complexity. |
| 01:02.53 | lcc | hm... how can I help with the creation of a new package? |
| 01:03.13 | Johnsonite | craigevil, it's on a seperate machine, but it is the stock one. |
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| 01:03.22 | craigevil | !tell lcc about nm |
| 01:03.26 | Johnsonite | craigevil, & now gedit is not a recognized command... |
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| 01:03.55 | Big_Brother | cardamon: it's not like he'll be cranking out his server rack to boil through security. |
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| 01:05.03 | cardamon | No, but I can crack two passwords nearly as easily as I can crack one. Particularly if your "user" is prone to either dictionary words or common substitutions. |
| 01:05.36 | lcc | sweet |
| 01:05.46 | lusers | Do we need password? I mean, if he's not using cryptsetup -- then meh, just mount it? |
| 01:06.07 | Big_Brother | cardamon: nah, it's a 12 character password with mixed numbers, letters and characters (;-, etc) |
| 01:06.23 | craigevil | uses made up elvish words based on Tolkien's elvish, plus caps, numbers, encrypted passphrase of 32 characters good luck |
| 01:06.26 | cardamon | lusers: Good point as well. It's hard to trump physical access. |
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| 01:07.30 | cardamon | craigevil: I use something rather easy to crack. Frankly, if someone gets physical access, it's game over for me. But I use an ssh key with a rather long passphrase for remote access. |
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| 01:08.36 | cardamon | But then...I don't put anything I'm not willing to lose on a network exposed box anyway. |
| 01:08.46 | craigevil | laptop drive is encrypted, grub password protected, no remote access :) , root can't login, user has to login then use su |
| 01:09.25 | lcc | if someone has physical access to your computer, you are out of luck. it doesn't matter if grub is password protected. |
| 01:09.58 | lusers | All for mediocre contents? ;) |
| 01:10.00 | craigevil | no but having the entire drive encrypted does |
| 01:10.31 | craigevil | has a bad habit of leaving laptop when i go places |
| 01:10.51 | craigevil | nothing really important on it, other than forum and email passwords in firefox |
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| 01:11.23 | cardamon | lusers: Pretty much. Very few people have data worth protecting. And the most common data worth protecting is frankly the worst kind of data to keep, from a logical standpoint. Evidence of a crime. |
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| 01:12.46 | cardamon | Unless your industry is crime, it's poor methodology to keep a record of it. And if it is...well...then you need some indirection on top of any other security. |
| 01:13.32 | lusers | I feel like BP's commercial just now is lying to my face. "Everything is all well and swell. Come down and visit us. We broke a tourism record too last year!" |
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| 01:14.08 | craigevil | just dont eat the eyeless shrimp or two headed fish :) |
| 01:14.18 | lusers | You broke a tourism record because everybody came to watch the BP oil spill last year (or was it two years?) |
| 01:14.30 | lusers | Wait. They came to clean up BP's mess. |
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| 01:14.43 | lusers | craigevil: |
| 01:15.28 | lusers | craigevil: Right. I read an article about a grandma pleading for her life to her grandson not to swim in gulf one month after they fixed the oil spree. He's in hosptial. Full of mercury or something. |
| 01:15.44 | craigevil | yummy |
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| 01:16.26 | Diopter | lusers: That's ok, some ancient cultures drank mercury on purpose, hoping it would increase their longevity. |
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| 01:17.06 | cardamon | Diopter: It was a proposed cure for syphilis at in the 15th century. |
| 01:17.10 | Big_Brother | Diopter: was mercury available then? |
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| 01:17.20 | craigevil | Big_Brother, install john and download the johnny gui and try to crack your password before the professor, if its too easy change them |
| 01:17.37 | Big_Brother | craigevil: it's console only. |
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| 01:17.48 | craigevil | then all you need is john |
| 01:17.52 | cardamon | Then use john |
| 01:18.31 | craigevil | john - active password cracking tool |
| 01:18.43 | cardamon | John the Ripper. |
| 01:18.59 | craigevil | or download backtrack and use the tools on it to crack your system |
| 01:19.04 | cardamon | ... |
| 01:19.16 | Diopter | Big_Brother: Of course. It's been known of a long time. "Mercury", the name, comes from the Romans, who believed he was a god. |
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| 01:19.38 | craigevil | or anyone of the other pen testing livecds, there are about a dozen that are actively maintained |
| 01:19.59 | rking1 | Weird. It seems that scp'ing a file from one computer on the Wifi network to another causes the receiver to disconnect. |
| 01:20.06 | rking1 | Nothing in the router logs mentions it. |
| 01:20.12 | Johnsonite | I can't get anything to install with apt-get, I'm new to debian, but not linux. Is it that I have to use aptitude for everything? |
| 01:20.15 | hash | craigevil: i downloaded it earlier i just put it on my phone for pocket reading |
| 01:20.29 | rking1 | dmesg simply says "No probe response from the AP" |
| 01:20.34 | craigevil | rking1, i had a problem a couple yrs ago, where using ktorrent would kill my connection |
| 01:20.47 | cybrhuman | Johnsonite: what is the problem? what command are you using? |
| 01:21.16 | craigevil | !tell Johnsonite about pastebinit |
| 01:21.17 | rking1 | craigevil: Hrm. Did you pinpoint what was the source of the disconnect? Should I look to the OS of the downloader or the router? |
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| 01:21.46 | craigevil | never did figure it out switched to deluge and it was fine |
| 01:21.56 | rking1 | craigevil: OK, thanks for the info. |
| 01:21.59 | craigevil | it was something with the router |
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| 01:22.21 | amoxibos | where do i check which services are running on my comp, such as ftp, http, smtp, pop3 and status of these servies, up, down, etc? |
| 01:23.15 | Johnsonite | cybrhuman, apt-get install is all so far. It's on a fresh Debian install, & i'm going in circles trying to figure out why I can't just install. Initially, it was looking for discs, which I changed, but now i just info in terminal saying that nothing is availible. |
| 01:23.33 | lusers | You forget to update? |
| 01:23.49 | somiaj | amoxibos: use something like 'ps' or 'top' to look for running processes. |
| 01:24.06 | cybrhuman | apt-get update && apt-get install <...> |
| 01:24.08 | craigevil | Johnsonite, did you have a internet connection during the install? if not you need to edit your sources.list |
| 01:24.10 | somiaj | amoxibos: you could also say check what run level you are in (most likely 2) and do a ls /etc/rc2.d -- that should show you the services scheduled to run at boot |
| 01:24.26 | somiaj | amoxibos: but I would use ps/top to check for processes more than look at scripts |
| 01:24.30 | craigevil | amoxibos, install sysv-rc-conf |
| 01:24.38 | amoxibos | somiaj, thanks |
| 01:24.52 | Johnsonite | craigevil, I have already i believe. |
| 01:25.02 | Johnsonite | craigevil, you mean software sources? |
| 01:25.07 | lusers | amoxibos: "lsof -i" ? |
| 01:25.08 | Johnsonite | craigevil, unticking cdrom |
| 01:25.11 | amoxibos | i was in the python channel - i want to make a script to check status of certain services on my comp and if they are down to log it somehwere |
| 01:25.31 | amoxibos | no-one answered me |
| 01:25.40 | amoxibos | so im looking for something like that now across the net |
| 01:25.49 | cybrhuman | Johnsonite: /etc/apt/sources.list I assume we are talking about. |
| 01:26.03 | Johnsonite | Yes. |
| 01:26.16 | Johnsonite | cybrhuman, Yes. |
| 01:26.21 | craigevil | pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:26.25 | somiaj | amoxibos: some of it may be catered to paticular services. some of the init scripts you can just do '/etc/init.d/service status' and the status will be given |
| 01:26.38 | somiaj | amoxibos: if you know the service lock/run file you could check for that. |
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| 01:27.14 | lusers | We need 'lsservices' ;) |
| 01:27.28 | cybrhuman | lusers: service --status-all |
| 01:27.46 | Johnsonite | craigevil, I'm not familiar enough with pastebin, as i'm lead to believe I could use it on this machine correct? |
| 01:28.06 | somiaj | yea there it is, though not sure if all init scripts are required to accept 'status' |
| 01:28.07 | lusers | cybrhuman: Ah. Cool. Thx. :) |
| 01:28.21 | cybrhuman | lusers: :) |
| 01:28.31 | cybrhuman | Johnsonite: it is a website. |
| 01:28.44 | somiaj | yea lots of my services of status, '?' from that command |
| 01:28.46 | craigevil | paste.debian.net |
| 01:29.04 | craigevil | means they arent configured |
| 01:29.29 | Johnsonite | cybrhuman, Right, but the machine with the issue, is not the one I am using, so I would be going back & fourth between the two... |
| 01:29.57 | cybrhuman | Johnsonite: you got internet on the machine in question? |
| 01:30.29 | Johnsonite | cybrhuman, Yeah, but no gedit to even look at the file in a gui now. |
| 01:31.04 | craigevil | nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:31.24 | Johnsonite | cybrhuman, Upon a fresh install, I install sudo, but then nothing else. |
| 01:31.35 | craigevil | Johnsonite, use the Stable sources.list from here> https://sites.google.com/site/mydebiansourceslist/Home |
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| 01:31.38 | cybrhuman | you got a terminal? |
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| 01:46.23 | brrrrrrrr | hi |
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| 01:47.50 | brrrrrrrr | I'm a Linux novice, I want to install ntop, which was not included in Debian. Someone on a forum said to install it manually and linked to http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/ntop.html . How exactly would I get it from this page? I assume the working version is "oldstable", but how do I get it from the command-line? |
| 01:48.00 | brrrrrrrr | sorry, "not included in Debian Squeeze" |
| 01:48.18 | craigevil | ,versions ntop |
| 01:48.19 | judd | Package: ntop on i386 -- lenny: 3:3.3-11+b2; squeeze-backports: 3:4.0.3+dfsg1-3~bpo60+1; sid: 3:4.99.0-rc+ndpi5237+dfsg1-1; wheezy: 3:4.99.0-rc+ndpi5237+dfsg1-1 |
| 01:48.35 | dizzylizzy | aha squeeze backports |
| 01:48.38 | somiaj | brrrrrrrr: looks like it is in squeeze-backports. (: |
| 01:48.54 | brrrrrrrr | somiaj: so what does that mean? available or not? (can't tell if smiley or frown) |
| 01:49.15 | craigevil | yes add the backports repo to your sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get install ntop |
| 01:49.16 | brrrrrrrr | oh do you mean I should apt-get squeeze-backports to enable it? |
| 01:49.34 | somiaj | brrrrrrrr: go follow instructions at backports.debian.org to add squeeze-backport repo |
| 01:49.37 | brrrrrrrr | ok thanks :) |
| 01:49.43 | brrrrrrrr | will do |
| 01:49.44 | somiaj | brrrrrrrr: then apt-get -t squeeze-backports install ntop |
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| 01:59.04 | brrrrrrrr | maybe it wasn't ntop I wanted after all...this is some heavyweight, MySQL-using, web frontend-having monstrosity. I remember a few years ago a terminal app that would just show you a quick summary of current network traffic, similar to top. Were the older ntop versions like this? Or did I use a different program? |
| 01:59.41 | nevyn | stabs change management |
| 01:59.54 | nevyn | oops that was for -ot |
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| 02:02.43 | brrrrrrrr | nm, found it, it was iftop |
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| 02:05.22 | brrrrrrrr | thanks again for your help |
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| 02:14.30 | hash | ok so i have programs closing for no reason well i know theres a reason |
| 02:14.43 | hash | is it not enough memory |
| 02:15.07 | craigevil | hash, what does free -m show |
| 02:15.20 | hash | hold on let me go see |
| 02:15.46 | rainfyre | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:23.49 | hash2 | whats the apt for the paste thing |
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| 02:30.37 | craigevil | pastebinit? |
| 02:30.43 | hash | ah |
| 02:30.51 | hash | i forgot the it |
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| 02:50.04 | hash2 | craigevil: http://pastebin.com/Hy8HyCrd this is with one web browser open and one terminal window |
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| 02:51.17 | craigevil | what de/wm are you using? |
| 02:51.54 | craigevil | damn thats not very much ram, is this a server without a GUI? |
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| 02:54.01 | hash2 | lxde |
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| 02:54.34 | hash2 | yeah i know its like 10+years old |
| 02:54.46 | hash2 | need to buy some more chips |
| 02:54.47 | craigevil | so is this thinkpad :) |
| 02:55.07 | hash2 | dell insperion 8250 |
| 02:55.11 | craigevil | you should try antix, or just use a window manager like openbox or fluxbox |
| 02:57.08 | Dr_GIM | wow, you actually have less ram than me... I'm impressed |
| 02:57.54 | craigevil | hash2, antix will run on 64mb, its a lightweight debian stable based distro |
| 02:58.25 | hash2 | if i remember right its expandable up 756mb |
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| 02:58.52 | hash2 | craigevil: awesome |
| 02:59.19 | craigevil | that would be better :) , use a light browser like iceape, uzbl , netrik |
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| 03:03.45 | hash | awesome and antix would be usable as a server |
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| 03:07.53 | trysten | hi debian! |
| 03:08.03 | somiaj | hi |
| 03:08.14 | aum | anyone having any trouble reaching www.debian.org? |
| 03:08.51 | Diopter | aum: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.debian.org |
| 03:08.56 | Ninja-1 | it's good for me |
| 03:08.57 | Diopter | No problems here. |
| 03:09.28 | somiaj | aum: what problems are you having with it? |
| 03:09.47 | aum | somiaj, "Oops! Google Chrome could not find www.debian.org" |
| 03:09.58 | craigevil | so try a diff browser |
| 03:10.01 | Ninja-1 | aum: can you ping it? |
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| 03:10.25 | aum | Ninja-1, yes |
| 03:10.40 | trysten | got a weird dpkg thing |
| 03:10.44 | Ninja-1 | aum: sounds like a browser problem |
| 03:10.49 | trysten | couldn't delete /var/lib/defoma/fontconfig.d |
| 03:10.55 | aum | 2 browsers having problem |
| 03:10.56 | trysten | anyone heard of that? |
| 03:11.10 | trysten | aum: nice name. try wget |
| 03:11.18 | craigevil | its a bug manually delete the dir |
| 03:11.19 | trysten | aum's a little |
| 03:11.29 | trysten | craigevil: cool. should i try to fix it? |
| 03:11.37 | aum | tries with links browser |
| 03:12.12 | Diopter | aum: It's probably your DNS configuration |
| 03:12.28 | aum | Diopter, browser reaches everything else just fine |
| 03:12.34 | Ninja-1 | that's what i was thinking, but he can ping it |
| 03:12.47 | Diopter | aum: Got anything conspicuous in /etc/hosts relating to debian.org? |
| 03:12.52 | craigevil | trysten, mv /var/lib/defoma/fontconfig.d /var/lib/defoma/fontconfig.d.bak |
| 03:13.05 | trysten | i mean fix the bug |
| 03:13.07 | aum | Diopter, no |
| 03:13.21 | aum | through an ssh proxy to my US server, i can reach debian.org fine |
| 03:13.22 | craigevil | just to be on the safe side, then rerun apt, its a known bug |
| 03:13.33 | aum | i'm wondering if my isp might be doing some sleazy proxying |
| 03:13.44 | Ninja-1 | aum: could be the isp |
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| 03:14.05 | craigevil | could be Google :) |
| 03:14.07 | aum | typing "host debian.org" gives me 3 different IPv4 addresses |
| 03:14.18 | Ninja-1 | what are they? |
| 03:14.42 | aum | 128.31.0.51, 82.195.75.97, 86.59.118.148 |
| 03:14.54 | aum | i'll use the latest/greatest browser - 'nc' |
| 03:15.03 | Ninja-1 | i get the same ips |
| 03:15.03 | Diopter | aum: So connect directly. nc www.debian.org 80, GET / HTTP/1.1,Host: www.debian.org |
| 03:15.21 | Diopter | Your DNS appears to be working correctly |
| 03:15.42 | aum | weird shit - comes in fine via nc |
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| 03:16.02 | trysten | cheers on nc |
| 03:16.06 | aum | so it's not my isp |
| 03:16.16 | Ninja-1 | aum: check browser extensions? |
| 03:16.42 | aum | it's affecting links, firefox, chrome and epiphany |
| 03:17.10 | Diopter | Interesting. |
| 03:17.15 | Ninja-1 | weird |
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| 03:17.41 | aum | but when i proxy firefox through ssh, it's fine |
| 03:18.18 | aum | i wonder if my isp is sensing something else in the GET request and blocking based on that |
| 03:18.32 | Diopter | aum: Install firebug or use chrome's inspector and watch the request |
| 03:18.40 | Diopter | Check the headers/responses |
| 03:18.42 | aum | got firebug, will try |
| 03:21.03 | aum | in firebug, the 'GET www.debian.org' is just hanging |
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| 03:21.22 | Ninja-1 | aum: no chance of a LAN attack, right? |
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| 03:21.36 | aum | Ninja-1, very much doubt it |
| 03:22.39 | aum | lynx is hanging at "Looking up www.debian.org" |
| 03:23.23 | Diopter | aum: Neat. |
| 03:23.46 | Diopter | So next step is a continuous traceroute |
| 03:23.58 | Diopter | since ostensibly it's some hop inbetween you and the destination |
| 03:24.09 | aum | ahh, host can resolve 'debian.org' but not 'www.debian.org' |
| 03:24.57 | aum | so my box can look up debian.org but not www.debian.org ?!? |
| 03:25.01 | Diopter | www. is a specific IP from what I can see. 128.31.0.51 |
| 03:25.06 | Diopter | One of the three that debian.org resolves to |
| 03:25.15 | aum | Diopter, thanks for that |
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| 03:27.49 | Diopter | aum: It might be really enlightening to run mtr |
| 03:27.57 | aum | mtr? |
| 03:28.23 | Diopter | Yes. I'd install mtr-tiny, I prefer the terminal version |
| 03:28.28 | Diopter | Then "mtr www.debian.org" |
| 03:28.42 | Diopter | It's a continuous traceroute, can help highlight points of packet loss. |
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| 03:28.51 | aum | Diopter, ok, that's a good step before i chew out some ISP helldesk sucker |
| 03:29.05 | Diopter | However, you'll usually see one or two internet backbone routers dropping a lot of your packets when you traceroute them |
| 03:29.10 | Diopter | (which uses ICMP or UDP by default) |
| 03:29.26 | Diopter | Because they'll give packets matching this pattern a very low priority, and they tend to get dropped or delayed |
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| 03:29.49 | Diopter | So you can generally ignore it when you see something like "ae-0-11.bar1.Boston1.Level3.net" at 88% packet loss |
| 03:30.59 | aum | mtr failed with "failed to resolve host" |
| 03:31.21 | aum | i can reach the ip address no hassles, my problem is with the dns |
| 03:31.33 | Diopter | Neat. So, next, try using a different DNS server pair |
| 03:31.38 | aum | ok |
| 03:32.01 | Diopter | Comment yours in /etc/resolv.conf, add in "nameserver 8.8.8.8" and "nameserver 8.8.4.4" if you want the backup |
| 03:32.42 | Diopter | 8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4 are Google's public anycasted global DNS servers |
| 03:32.49 | aum | Diopter, ok |
| 03:32.53 | Diopter | Level3 also runs 4.2.2.1, if you want to try it |
| 03:33.01 | Diopter | Easy to remember, so I've memorized them :P |
| 03:33.41 | aum | makes me nervous, google logging more and more of my online activity |
| 03:33.44 | Diopter | hah |
| 03:35.06 | aum | how long before google pops up a window saying "we have analysed you and your wife's last lovemaking session. we'd like to recommend this new stimulating cream"... |
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| 03:36.18 | hell_razer | i am trying to make suctom /etc/ini.d/file, which require mysql and sshd http://paste.enzotools.org/show/2373/ - whats wrong? |
| 03:36.24 | hell_razer | *custom |
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| 03:39.05 | aum | well, well, it seems my ISP changed its DNS server IP addresses without telling me, but the only site so far that's been affected is www.debian.org (not debian.org).... ***DERP*** !! |
| 03:39.14 | nevyn | !ot |
| 03:39.14 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 03:39.20 | nevyn | aum: ^^ |
| 03:39.22 | aum | ISP's new DNS addresses work fine |
| 03:39.30 | aum | thanks for the help guys |
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| 03:40.05 | Diopter | nevyn: It was an on-topic question regarding networking under Debian. |
| 03:40.09 | Diopter | aum: Sure thing. Glad it worked out |
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| 04:16.09 | mdik | hi. any ideas why marillat moved domains from debian-multimedia.org to deb-multimedia.org? |
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| 04:17.57 | nevyn | he did? well that's inconvienient. |
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| 04:20.59 | mdik | nevyn: are you serious? i am asking because i would have to accept a new keyring and i don't see the reason why the domain should be changed. |
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| 04:23.01 | Sheldon420 | Can you guys see my IP address and hostname? |
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| 04:24.25 | epsilon | Sheldon420: yes, I'm staying behind you right now |
| 04:25.00 | Sheldon420 | epsilon: haha :) I just configured it to use a proxy .. just wanna check if it works |
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| 04:28.35 | nevyn | mdik: I have the same problem. |
| 04:29.10 | craigevil | mdik, say the new key didnt realize the repos had changed |
| 04:29.14 | nevyn | mdik: I see an announcment here: http://www.deb-multimedia.org/lurker/message/20120510.082033.f48a991f.en.html but no rationale |
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| 04:30.49 | craigevil | you would think some kind of reason would be offered for the change |
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| 04:31.29 | craigevil | updated my Giant sources.list good thing i did, didnt know he had a backport repo as well |
| 04:32.04 | mdik | why the hassle with the domain change? the most benign reasons would be: money problems and selling the well visited old domain to some scam; or; some trademark issues with the rest of the debian project. but my mind is too fukcing paranoid to not think of other szenarios |
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| 04:33.01 | craigevil | hm is the ifupdown package obsolete? d-u in sid wants to remove it |
| 04:33.20 | mdik | is there a good dpkg one-liner to show me which packages are installed from the multimedia-repo? |
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| 04:41.07 | rypervenche | mdik: I know you can see it using synaptic, but I'm curious to know if it's possible with dpkg or a similar tool. I would imagine it has to be. |
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| 04:43.47 | craigevil | aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, !?origin(Debian))!?obsolete' will show any packages not in official debian repos |
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| 04:44.15 | mah454 | Hello ... |
| 04:44.38 | mah454 | please view this post : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=4677664#post4677664 |
| 04:44.42 | mah454 | can you help me ? |
| 04:46.18 | dizzylizzy | what a strange problem |
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| 04:46.56 | mah454 | I need split mailbox to multiple file . |
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| 04:47.24 | trysten | oof mah454 |
| 04:48.04 | mah454 | trysten, what ? |
| 04:48.10 | trysten | mah454: you are hard to understand |
| 04:48.20 | mah454 | trysten, I know :D |
| 04:48.23 | trysten | mah454: to my tiny american brain |
| 04:48.42 | mah454 | trysten, =)) |
| 04:48.52 | trysten | mah454: so i take it you can accomplish what you are trying to do manually, through mutt? |
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| 04:50.07 | trysten | mah454: (i don't use mutt) |
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| 04:51.01 | mah454 | trysten, no ,all message store in /var/spool/mail/$USER , I need split it ! |
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| 04:56.35 | trysten | mah454: can you describe the desired result? |
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| 04:58.08 | trysten | anyone know how to control the brightness through sysfs? |
| 05:00.01 | mah454 | trysten, view , (sorry my english language not very good !) all mail stored in one file in /var/spool/mail/$USER , I need split it and send to fax server with simple bash script , My problem only is spliting this file . I find this command : formail -ds sh -c 'cat > msg.$FILENO' < $MAIL but this command only split last mail from mailbox file ! |
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| 05:01.25 | rwp_ | mah454, See 'formail -s' for one way to do this. |
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| 05:17.03 | trysten | mah454: got it? |
| 05:17.47 | mah454 | trysten, yes |
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| 05:19.16 | trysten | #debian, i need to crash my kernel. the idea is that i stop the kernel from running and then try to use my brightness keys to see if it will work without any software running. ideas? |
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| 05:22.17 | scientes | trysten, there is actually a proc or sys somewhere for instant kernel oops |
| 05:22.40 | scientes | trysten, you can also just muck around in /dev/kmem which would achieve the same results |
| 05:22.44 | scientes | *should |
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| 05:40.20 | l000 | good afternoon. how to set permission to my user account so that my users cannot open my folder? thank you in advance |
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| 05:40.50 | l000 | i mean, so that they cannot open my account for example /home/l000 |
| 05:40.58 | l000 | thanks again |
| 05:41.25 | craigevil | other users can only open files in their /home |
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| 05:42.28 | l000 | craigevil: i tried this command: find $HOME -type d -exec chmod 700 '{}' \; and also find $HOME -type f -exec chmod 600 '{}' \; .. but its not working.i tried to create a user then try to access my /home/l000 i can still access it |
| 05:42.52 | l000 | i can open /home/l000 directories of l000 |
| 05:43.13 | rwp | l000, Please say exactly what command you are talking about when you say "accessing". |
| 05:43.23 | rwp | Because what you are saying doesn't sound right. |
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| 05:43.28 | confrey | hi everybody |
| 05:43.30 | l000 | sorry for my english |
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| 05:43.49 | l000 | rwp: i dont want my users to access my user account "l000" |
| 05:44.16 | rwp | chown l000: ~ ; chmod o-w ~ |
| 05:44.26 | l000 | thank you |
| 05:44.30 | confrey | how can I discover which module is used by a device? I'm confused about my wifi's setup |
| 05:44.38 | rwp | The o-w is other minus write. |
| 05:44.41 | l000 | thank you rwp craigevil |
| 05:45.34 | rwp | But that shouldn't be any different from that find command you ran. |
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| 05:46.31 | l000 | rwp: testing now.logging to my test user and see if i can access l000 |
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| 05:48.11 | l000 | rwp: i can still access the directories of l000 :( .i use a test account |
| 05:48.25 | l000 | rwp: maybe reboot the box will work? |
| 05:48.27 | rwp | Please say exactly what you mean by accessing. Give the command and the output. |
| 05:48.55 | rwp | If you don't tell us then we can't help. Because we can't see your screen. So we rely upon you telling us. |
| 05:49.02 | l000 | rwp: ok let me explain and see if i can explain it well coz im not an english expert |
| 05:49.35 | rwp | Try this: touch ~l000/foo |
| 05:49.38 | rwp | What does that say? |
| 05:49.45 | l000 | rwp: i dont want my users to access or open my account /home/l000 |
| 05:49.59 | rwp | They can't. |
| 05:50.15 | karlpinc | l000: You need: chmod o-x ~ |
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| 05:50.31 | l000 | rwp: this is the reply |
| 05:50.33 | l000 | root@l0000:/home/l0000# touch ~l0000/foo |
| 05:50.34 | l000 | root@l0000:/home/l0000# |
| 05:50.53 | rwp | Your prompt has a '#' in it saying that you are the root superuser. There is no blocking the root user. |
| 05:51.03 | rwp | The root user is the superuser and has infinte power. |
| 05:51.04 | l000 | i did the chown l0000: ~ ; chmod o-w ~ |
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| 05:51.37 | l000 | rwp: but my "test" account can access or open the directories of user: l0000 |
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| 05:51.44 | dub | kernel https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81433.0 |
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| 05:51.47 | dub | shit |
| 05:51.49 | dub | sorry |
| 05:51.55 | rwp | Your test user, what is the output of "id"? |
| 05:52.00 | l000 | i dont want users can access my user account : l0000 |
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| 05:52.11 | karlpinc | l000: Did you see what I wrote above? |
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| 05:52.19 | dub | kernel 3.2.0 in sid, supports p3 800mhz? |
| 05:52.32 | trysten | hi confusid |
| 05:52.47 | l000 | karlpinc: yes same as "chown l0000: ~ ; chmod o-w ~" ? |
| 05:53.00 | l000 | i did that karlpinc "chown l0000: ~ ; chmod o-w ~" |
| 05:53.06 | rwp | karlpinc, it looks like l000 is using 'root' as the test user and trying to block root. |
| 05:53.22 | karlpinc | l000: "chmod o-x ~" is not the same as "chmod o-w ~". |
| 05:53.30 | l000 | ohhh |
| 05:53.43 | l000 | sorry |
| 05:54.20 | l000 | ok let me login to my test account |
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| 05:54.50 | karlpinc | l000: You might want to read "man chmod", and the debian wiki pages on permissions (and user private groups). |
| 05:55.20 | karlpinc | l000: (The info pages on permissions are also helpful.) |
| 05:55.53 | l000 | i tried this "chown l0000: ~ ; chmod o-x ~" |
| 05:55.53 | karlpinc | (For that matter it's probably covered in the debian reference too.) |
| 05:56.25 | l000 | and switch user to "test" and login there.then try open the account of "l0000" i can still open it |
| 05:56.35 | l000 | need to reboot the box? |
| 05:56.42 | karlpinc | l000: No. |
| 05:57.41 | karlpinc | l000: What user were you when you ran the commands? |
| 05:57.51 | rwp | l000, I keep asking but you never say what you mean when you say open the account. Do you mean 'ls' or do you mean writing to the directory with "vi" or what? |
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| 05:59.09 | karlpinc | rwp: I suspect he was root when he ran those commands and has now broken his root account. |
| 05:59.46 | karlpinc | rwp: (And there's no need to chown his home dir to himself.) |
| 05:59.52 | rwp | karlpinc, I also suspect he was root. But it would not have broken his root account. It would still work. |
| 06:00.19 | rwp | I suggested with the colon on the end so that it would change the group to his default group account, whatever group that happened to be. |
| 06:00.20 | karlpinc | rwp: Depends on how he got root. ~ could be /root. This is bad. |
| 06:00.43 | karlpinc | rwp: Why frob the ownership when it doesn't need changing? |
| 06:00.45 | rwp | No. ~ would either be /root or /home/l000 and either way the result would be okay. |
| 06:01.07 | l000 | im lost really |
| 06:01.12 | rwp | He kept saying that other users could "access" his account. That implied that the group was probably the same group as the other users. |
| 06:01.14 | karlpinc | rwp: If ~ is /root, then he changed ownership and permissions on /root. Not good. |
| 06:01.20 | rwp | That was before I suspected he was using root as a test account. |
| 06:01.28 | karlpinc | l000: We're still waiting for you to respond to our questions above. |
| 06:01.47 | rwp | If you are root then you can write to /root regardless of who owns it. |
| 06:01.49 | l000 | i tried "chmod 0777 /home/l0000" and login to "test" account, but i can still open the directories of l0000 |
| 06:02.16 | karlpinc | rwp: If you are root then you don't want the l000 user accessing root's files. |
| 06:02.38 | karlpinc | rwp: (directory/whatever) |
| 06:02.46 | l000 | karlpinc: i use root when setting it |
| 06:03.00 | l000 | to set the account of l0000 |
| 06:03.00 | rwp | I think we are both aware of the issues but have no idea what l000 has actually done or is actually doing. |
| 06:03.26 | karlpinc | l000: Then you didn't change your own home directory, you changed root's (most likely. What is the output of "ls -ld /root"? |
| 06:03.46 | l000 | rwp: not ls nor vi.i just want user: l0000 to be hidden his files not accessable by his other users |
| 06:04.02 | rwp | l000, Please show us the output from: ls -ld / /root /home /home/l000 |
| 06:04.13 | l000 | root@l0000:/home/l0000# ls -ld /root |
| 06:04.13 | l000 | drwx------ 5 l0000 l0000 4096 May 14 16:46 /root |
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| 06:04.39 | rwp | karlpinc, You are right about the /root. But it won't "break" root. But let's fix it anyway. |
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| 06:04.53 | rwp | l000, Please set /root back. Run this: chown root:root /root |
| 06:04.57 | karlpinc | l000: To fix that, as root, you want: chown root:root /root |
| 06:05.29 | l000 | rwp: http://pastebin.ca/2148224 17:13 < rwp> l000, Please show us the output from: ls -ld / /root /home /home/l000 |
| 06:05.37 | karlpinc | l000: To fix your own account you need to be logged in as you. (Well, you don't _need_ to, but there's no reason to be root.) |
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| 06:06.04 | l000 | < rwp> l000, Please set /root back. Run this: chown root:root /root: done |
| 06:06.30 | l000 | karlpinc: noted.ill login as l0000 |
| 06:06.31 | trysten | scientes: i don't have a /dev/kmem |
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| 06:07.24 | rwp | l000, You still need to run: chown root:root /root |
| 06:07.44 | l000 | yeah i did that now |
| 06:07.55 | l000 | root@l0000:/home/l0000# chown root:root /root |
| 06:07.56 | l000 | root@l0000:/home/l0000# |
| 06:08.03 | rwp | Good. |
| 06:08.06 | l000 | thanks |
| 06:08.10 | l000 | sorry for this mess |
| 06:08.22 | rwp | Do you have a non-root user? |
| 06:08.32 | l000 | yeah l0000 is none root |
| 06:08.37 | rwp | Can you log in as l000? |
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| 06:08.41 | l000 | ok ok |
| 06:08.58 | l000 | l0000@l0000:~$ |
| 06:09.09 | rwp | Safer to be non-root. Then you can't change things that you don't want to change. |
| 06:09.34 | l000 | rwp: so this is correct? chmod 0777 /home/l0000 |
| 06:09.51 | l000 | sudo chmod 0777 /home/l0000 i mean |
| 06:10.02 | rwp | No. Run: chmod 0700 /home/l0000 |
| 06:10.15 | scientes | l000, also chown l0000:l0000 /home/l0000 |
| 06:10.20 | scientes | l000, also chown l0000:l0000 /home/l0000 -R |
| 06:10.34 | scientes | ugggh, what a user name |
| 06:10.40 | rwp | Agreed! |
| 06:10.53 | rwp | And different from the IRC name here too. |
| 06:10.54 | l000 | hehe i cant think of any |
| 06:11.11 | scientes | how about "me" |
| 06:11.21 | l000 | because im lorega |
| 06:11.29 | l000 | so ill use l0000 |
| 06:11.37 | l000 | because thats what they call me LO |
| 06:11.43 | rwp | l000, You do not need root nor sudo. By using root or sudo you can accidentally break things. |
| 06:11.46 | scientes | "me" is a great user name for the privacy conscious single-user comps |
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| 06:13.15 | l000 | scientes: well we are different.this friends have no 24/7 internet so i give them accounts (only close friends) so that they can check their IMs and facebook chats in my bitlbee server |
| 06:14.27 | Mogget | When I put scripts in /etc/cron.weekly. Will that script run as root? |
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| 06:14.38 | rwp | l000, Have you fixed up your account yet? Show us: ls -ld / /root /home /home/l0000 |
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| 06:14.47 | l000 | rwp: http://pastebin.ca/2148225 |
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| 06:15.05 | rwp | Mogget, Yes. |
| 06:15.46 | scientes | Mogget, man tag to run as your user |
| 06:15.49 | scientes | *tab |
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| 06:16.24 | rwp | l000, Show us: ls -ld / /root /home /home/l0000 |
| 06:16.50 | Mogget | I want to run it as the root account, but I am having troubles getting my sql settings to be loaded before that script is being run. |
| 06:17.01 | l000 | rwp: http://pastebin.ca/2148226 |
| 06:17.19 | l000 | rwp: http://pastebin.ca/2148226 for the ls -ld / /root /home /home/l0000 |
| 06:17.20 | Mogget | Does cron load data in ~ for the user it uses to run the script? |
| 06:17.40 | rwp | l000, Good! That looks good. Test with your other test *non-root* user. |
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| 06:18.04 | l000 | rwp: but the l0000@l0000:~$ chown l0000:l0000 /home/l0000 -R has problems..chown: changing ownership of `/home/l0000/~l0000foo': Operation not permitted...chown: changing ownership of `/home/l0000/foo': Operation not permitted |
| 06:18.13 | l000 | rwp: i need to sudo right? |
| 06:18.16 | rwp | Mogget, Are you using the 'mysql' command line interface? That doesn't matter if it is running as root or not. |
| 06:18.31 | rwp | l000> rwp: i need to sudo right?/home/l0000/foo |
| 06:18.31 | rwp | 00:18 < rwp> Mogget, Are you using the 'mysql' command line interface? That |
| 06:18.34 | l000 | but l0000 is not on sudo |
| 06:18.41 | rwp | Oops. Sorry for that last. Ignore. Paste error. |
| 06:18.53 | rwp | l000, Run: rm -f /home/l0000/foo |
| 06:19.07 | l000 | rwp: done |
| 06:19.07 | rwp | That was lint from my "touch" case way back ten minutes ago. |
| 06:19.29 | Mogget | rwp: No, I have a simple script does a backup of my sql database. To do this autonomously I have added settings in ~/.my.cnf. When starting the script as root all is well, when cron is doing it, i get error messages on my mail. |
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| 06:21.01 | l000 | rwp: this one helps root@l0000:/home/l0000# chown l0000:l0000 /home/l0000 -R ..by using su |
| 06:21.02 | rwp | Mogget, When I backup mysql I use "mysqldump --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf" which then uses the Debian maintanence user.l |
| 06:21.20 | rwp | l000, Good! |
| 06:21.34 | l000 | rwp: thanks. trying to login to "test" |
| 06:21.38 | rwp | Mogget, Other ways are also possible. |
| 06:21.52 | rwp | l000, Good. Just make sure your test user is *not* root. |
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| 06:22.49 | rwp | Mogget, I also back up mysql daily. More often than weekly. |
| 06:23.41 | rwp | Mogget, Another tidbit about cron. It resets PATH. If you require a special PATH you have to set that up in the crontab. I don't know if that is an issue for you or not. But I will mention it. |
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| 06:24.17 | rwp | Mogget, I actually do this in /etc/cron.d/local-mysql: 30 3 * * * root umask 077 ; mysqldump --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf --all-databases | gzip > /var/backups/mysql.dump ; savelog -q -d -l -C /var/backups/mysql.dump |
| 06:24.21 | hamid | guys I want to now i what starts the debian-installerl-launcher package in debian-installer ? any idea ? |
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| 06:24.59 | l000 | rwp: works good :) thank you so much :) |
| 06:25.11 | rwp | l000, Glad to help. |
| 06:25.23 | l000 | scientes karlpinc : thank you :) |
| 06:25.41 | rwp | hamid, I am pretty familiar with the debian-installer but I have no idea what you are asking about with "debian-installerl-launcher". |
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| 06:26.27 | hamid | rwp: actually wanna now how it starts? what is the app showing blue background ? |
| 06:27.12 | rwp | hamid, Web searching tells me that debian-installer-launcher is something only in the debian-live cd image. |
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| 06:27.30 | rwp | It launches the installer from the live image. |
| 06:28.10 | rwp | hamid, It is also a Debian package: http://packages.debian.org/sid/debian-installer-launcher |
| 06:28.22 | rwp | So I would start there. |
| 06:29.03 | l000 | my box is not 24/7 7 days aweek.just monday to friday.need to rest my box sat and sunday since i dont have aircon |
| 06:29.11 | hamid | rwp: hmm, nevermind about that. just tell me do you have any idea that what's this blue background ? |
| 06:29.29 | l000 | rwp are you 24/7 7 days a week 365 days?i mean your box |
| 06:29.48 | rwp | hamid, Where are you and what is running when you are talking about a blue background? |
| 06:29.52 | l000 | root@l0000:/home/l0000# uptime 17:38:55 up 57 min, 3 users, load average: 0.02, 0.23, 0.21 |
| 06:30.09 | hamid | rwp: I'm In the installer :P |
| 06:30.23 | rwp | l000, No. I just sometimes wander by #debian and see what is happening. I am usually always reading and responding to debian-user mailing list though. |
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| 06:31.00 | hamid | rwp: while inttalling debian there is blue background. i want to know about that. |
| 06:31.04 | rwp | hamid, Inside the installer it would probably be either 'dialog' or 'whiptail' which are both script based dialog interfaces. |
| 06:31.31 | hamid | rwp: it's dialog? hmm. thanks great help ;) |
| 06:31.37 | boudiccas | if kdissert is for mindmaps, what is for flow charts please? |
| 06:31.47 | l000 | rwp: ah you are developer also of debian?just curious |
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| 06:32.11 | rwp | hamid, I can't remember if it is dialog or whiptail. There is some confusion and controversy betweey which one is better than the other. Both are similar. |
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| 06:32.43 | rwp | l000, I am a long time Debian user. I maintain some packages in Debian. I am an engineer and programmer by profession. |
| 06:32.50 | rwp | I am not a DD. |
| 06:33.02 | l000 | salute |
| 06:33.09 | l000 | wow... |
| 06:33.10 | hamid | rwp: first i thought it's an app written with ncurse. names help me with that |
| 06:33.24 | l000 | you make $$$$$$$$$$ then |
| 06:33.35 | l000 | wow... |
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| 06:34.26 | TvL2386 | hey guys, I'm having an issue with trunking and the be2net driver 4.2.116u from kernel 3.4-rc6. The overrun field in the ifconfig output keeps increasing. This is only happening when vlan interfaces are configured. I'm unsure on how to proceed. Would it be appropriate to mail this to netdev@vger.kernel.org? |
| 06:34.27 | boudiccas | if kdissert is used for developing mindmaps, what is used for developing flow charts please? |
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| 06:34.56 | rwp | hamid, Look at both 'dialog' and 'whiptail' and play with the examples. I think that is what you are seeing. |
| 06:35.02 | l000 | TvL2386: are you using this on how to use ipv6 |
| 06:35.17 | l000 | TvL2386: are you using this on how to use ipv6 http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-linux-ipv6-networking-configuration/ |
| 06:35.20 | hamid | rwp: ok :) |
| 06:35.42 | TvL2386 | l000, no I'm not |
| 06:36.01 | l000 | TvL2386: how you configure your ipv6? |
| 06:36.21 | l000 | TvL2386: i have a dhcp6 enabled |
| 06:36.24 | TvL2386 | l000, I haven't spoken about ipv6 |
| 06:36.53 | l000 | TvL2386: but how come when you enter the chan you are using ipv6 |
| 06:37.03 | rwp | TvL2386, Don't know. But debian-user@lists.debian.org may be useful. |
| 06:37.05 | l000 | 17:43 -!- TvL2386 [~tom@2a00:1388:0:3:224:beff:feaf:8eb2] has joined #debian |
| 06:37.09 | Mogget | rwp: Sorry, a colleague came in and asked for help. Thank you for the tips. I will try to change the script so that it becomes more universal. |
| 06:37.42 | TvL2386 | l000, I'm having troubles with a production server that has 10G nics. The 10G nics are HP NC550SFP cards and have issues when enabling 8021q on the cards |
| 06:37.55 | TvL2386 | l000, That is entirely unrelated to my laptop having ipv6 access :) |
| 06:38.15 | rwp | Mogget, No worries about delay. I can't remember when ~/.my.cnf is used. But if ~ is not root and you are using root via /etc/cron.weekly then then that ~ would be /root/.my.cnf. |
| 06:38.19 | TvL2386 | rwp, thank you! |
| 06:38.23 | l000 | TvL2386: laptop win7? anf your isp is running ipv6? |
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| 06:39.00 | l000 | TvL2386: mine is native ipv4 isp router ---->ipv6 native server ---->switch---->debian |
| 06:39.04 | Dagger2 | I'm going to abuse my psychic powers and guess that his laptop is Debian |
| 06:39.42 | l000 | i want to connect here in irc as ipv6 but this tutorial wont work http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-linux-ipv6-networking-configuration/ to me |
| 06:39.51 | Dagger2 | at the very least it's not Windows, unless he's turned off privacy addresses and randomized identifiers |
| 06:39.57 | TvL2386 | wrong lol. I'm running linux mint 12 on my laptop. |
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| 06:40.03 | l000 | and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 The server at wiki.debian.org is taking too long to respond. |
| 06:40.18 | Mogget | rwp: about the chosen weekly backup is because i don't provide high availability for this setup and it is a low use system. So little is happening on that server. |
| 06:40.34 | TvL2386 | I was thinking l000 was responding to my question, but it seems he's trying to ask me how to get ipv6 to work on his box :D |
| 06:40.38 | Dagger2 | well, I got the non-Windows part right :-) |
| 06:40.57 | TvL2386 | Dagger2, at least it is debian based down here somewhere |
| 06:41.10 | l000 | TvL2386: ok ill switch to debian.but not now.rwp might now happy with me coz few minutes ago rwp helped me out with directory permission |
| 06:41.38 | l000 | i mean ill switch to linux mint ^^ |
| 06:41.41 | l000 | but not now |
| 06:41.43 | l000 | hehehe |
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| 06:41.59 | l000 | linux mint is also debian linux right |
| 06:42.13 | l000 | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 id down? |
| 06:42.16 | rwp | l000, Well, Mint is not Debian. |
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| 06:42.26 | l000 | The connection has timed out The server at wiki.debian.org is taking too long to respond. |
| 06:42.38 | Dagger2 | wiki.debian.org is up, but it has a v6 address and I'm guessing your v6 setup is currently broken |
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| 06:42.51 | boudiccas | 1000no http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 is not down, i've just accessed it |
| 06:42.53 | l000 | rwp: do you have ipv6 debian |
| 06:43.00 | l000 | ahh because im not ipv6 |
| 06:43.05 | l000 | :( |
| 06:43.15 | rwp | l000, No. My ISP doesn't support IPv6 yet. And so I haven't set it up here. |
| 06:43.16 | Dagger2 | not "because you're not IPv6", but because you have a broken v6 setup |
| 06:43.30 | Dagger2 | if you didn't have a broken v6 setup configured, it'd be fine |
| 06:43.35 | peterrooney | l000: mint is NOT debian |
| 06:43.37 | l000 | rwp: you can setup native ipv6.i can teach you |
| 06:43.49 | l000 | rwp: i mean help you not teach you because i know you are guru |
| 06:43.58 | boudiccas | the blind leading the blind! |
| 06:44.03 | TvL2386 | The Mint I'm running is based on ubuntu and ubuntu is based on debian |
| 06:44.03 | rwp | lol |
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| 06:44.15 | l000 | just kidding Engr rwp |
| 06:44.26 | somiaj | !based on debian |
| 06:44.26 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution. #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 06:44.27 | l000 | but yeah i can help in return |
| 06:44.30 | TvL2386 | and having Mint or debian or whatever won't magically solve ipv6 issues |
| 06:44.38 | rwp | It's all good. I could set up an IPv6 tunnel over IPv4. But not enough time to do everything. So will wait. |
| 06:44.43 | rwp | Thanks anyway though. |
| 06:45.05 | boudiccas | if kdissert is used for developing mindmaps, what is used for developing flow charts please? |
| 06:45.33 | TvL2386 | boudiccas, I use freemind for mindmaps and use dia for flow charts |
| 06:45.37 | Dagger2 | `apt-get install miredo` is all you really need for a v6 tunnel, if you don't mind having to install it on every machine |
| 06:45.54 | boudiccas | TvL2386: ah, thanks |
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| 06:46.26 | TvL2386 | boudiccas, you're welcome, I don't know if both are the most suitable programs though :-) |
| 06:46.34 | TvL2386 | boudiccas, but it works for me |
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| 06:48.45 | craigevil | l000, install the debian-handbook and take a look at /usr/share/doc/debian-handbook/html/sect.ipv6.html |
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| 06:52.08 | l000 | craigevil : thank you |
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| 06:55.03 | KSHawkEye | Can brasero be safely removed? I get: The following packages will be REMOVED: brasero* gnome-core* task-gnome-desktop* I see "gnome-core" in there |
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| 06:58.04 | rwp | KSHawkEye, it should be safe to remove but keep in mind that it will remove the gnome meta packages too. That is okay. |
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| 07:17.28 | Mogget | rwp: fyi; When using cron. It does not load the users ~/.bash* settings and therefor it will not load the mysql user configurations so they have to be explisitly entered into the script. Thanks for giving the help. |
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| 07:34.27 | dub | clues on no network after sid upgrade |
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| 07:35.06 | dub | doesnt bring it up after reboot but works find configured manually |
| 07:36.10 | dub | have added auto eth0 back to /etc/network/interfaces but still no go |
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| 07:37.10 | Devastator | dub that's sid, things can work, but sometimes not |
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| 07:41.11 | dub | it works fine, something obviously changed because auto eth0 was removed, guessing there is a 'new way' that im struggling to google for |
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| 07:41.42 | rwp | dub, What is your question? |
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| 07:42.17 | dub | rwp: after squeeze->sid the network does nto come up on boot, manually configuring it works fine |
| 07:42.47 | Devastator | dub have you tried man interfaces? |
| 07:42.50 | dub | rwp: I added 'auto eth0' back, no change |
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| 07:43.59 | dub | Devastator: I guess I could try, sometimes when major changes take place people are used to answering questions about them |
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| 07:44.25 | rwp | dub, The default these days is allow-hotplug but auto works too. |
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| 07:45.52 | Devastator | dub sure, was just a suggestion |
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| 07:46.24 | rwp | If you have 'auto' then 'service networking restart' works. If you don't have auto but have allow-hotplug then it should work when the device is detected by the kernel. The new way is event driven. |
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| 07:53.28 | civillian | Hey guys |
| 07:53.42 | civillian | I'm trying to get a diskless squeeze to boot from PXE |
| 07:53.52 | civillian | using iSCSI for the root |
| 07:54.44 | civillian | error message is |
| 07:55.02 | civillian | ...wait for it... |
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| 07:57.00 | civillian | iscsid: Kernel reported iSCSI connection 1:0 error (1011) state (3) |
| 07:57.43 | civillian | that's after it's loaded up to starting avahi |
| 07:58.20 | civillian | I'm wondering if iscsid is trying to start after avahi and the error is due to iscsid being run already via initrd |
| 07:58.44 | civillian | how would i confirm if this is true |
| 07:58.45 | civillian | ? |
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| 08:03.25 | codekK | Hi all, for a small XMPP project u recommend me OpenFire or ejabberd?? |
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| 08:03.58 | rwp | civillian, No ideas. Sorry. |
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| 08:04.22 | civillian | I'm going to disable iscsid in /etc/init.d and see what that does |
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| 08:06.06 | rwp | civillian, It seems crazy to me that iSCSI even plays into a PXE diskless boot system. Seems unrelated. |
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| 08:07.12 | dub | well for some reason the upgrade removed ifupdown |
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| 08:07.31 | civillian | rwp, It's my first go at this so I'd have no idea what crazy looked like :) |
| 08:07.37 | dub | adding it back resolved it |
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| 08:07.54 | dub | I cannot fathom why when I install ifupdown, telnet is removed and vice versa |
| 08:08.07 | civillian | rwp, I've added iscsid binaries to the initrd plus some lines activating the run-time commands iscsid and iscsiadm |
| 08:08.45 | civillian | it finds the target, loads the root filesystem and continues the normal boot process |
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| 08:11.45 | optraz | http://www.asus.com/Server_Workstation/Server_Motherboards/Z8NAD6/#specifications <== does debian support this motherboard or its cpu? |
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| 08:13.32 | rwp | dub, On what release? Squeeze? Wheezy/Sid? |
| 08:13.34 | Woet | optraz: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ |
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| 08:13.47 | dub | rwp: sid |
| 08:13.50 | jelly-home | optraz: debian doesn't have an official hardware compatibility list. That said, other boards with Intel 5500 server chipset work. |
| 08:13.54 | Woet | dub: read the topic |
| 08:14.05 | rwp | dub, I have both telnet and ifupdown installed with no problem. |
| 08:14.38 | dub | rwp: thats great, doesnt work here |
| 08:14.45 | optraz | jelly-home: okay, just wanna make sure linux does support it as that hardware cost a bomb here. |
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| 08:14.50 | optraz | jelly-home: Woet thanks |
| 08:15.09 | Sevet | dub: what happens if you try installing both at the same time? |
| 08:15.30 | rwp | dub, The problem will be in the Depends: lines from the two packages. Something is "Breaks" or "Conflicts" or something with the other one. |
| 08:15.31 | Sevet | aptitude should either install both, flag up why it won't |
| 08:16.21 | jelly-home | optraz: googling for board model and lspci often yields interesting results |
| 08:16.27 | rwp | I would use 'apt-cache show' to list the data from each package and 'apt-cache policy' to ensure that the packages I have are from the right repository. |
| 08:16.39 | dub | Sevet: http://pastebin.com/69TzZjkT |
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| 08:17.33 | rwp | Sevet, Good idea on installing both at the same command. Would give good debug data. For dub. |
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| 08:17.35 | jelly-home | optraz: in this case, http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/VTd_HowTo says "ASUS Z8NA-D6 (dual processor nehalem board) works" [wrt VT-d functionality under linux, which implies linux works] |
| 08:17.40 | optraz | jelly-home: no, i have no buy that bought yet. im doing study if the board or the cpu is supported in linux before any purchase is made. |
| 08:18.12 | optraz | jelly-home: thanks! |
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| 08:18.48 | jelly-home | optraz: I'm suggesting to look up https://www.google.com/search?q=Z8NA-D6+lspci literally, not the output of lspci. |
| 08:19.15 | Sevet | telnet depends on netbase which recommends ifupdown... shouldn't be any conflict there |
| 08:19.33 | optraz | jelly-home: interesting on the vtd link, actually im looking that board as it is in atx form factor with support vt-d , i want to install kvm and runing like 8 vm |
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| 08:19.46 | optraz | jelly-home: that link said it works..vt_d but not sure if kvm is working |
| 08:19.52 | Sevet | what happens if you install netbase, ifupdown & telnet all on 1 line? (or through aptitude which'll spot dependancies for you) |
| 08:20.02 | codekK | hello |
| 08:20.17 | codekK | openjdk-6-jre is equal than java-6-jre ?? |
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| 08:21.32 | dub | Sevet: http://pastebin.com/x7ETratZ (I forget to use aptitude, don;t do much with systems these days) |
| 08:21.50 | Woet | dub: read the topic |
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| 08:22.06 | dub | Woet: yeah thanks, someone seemed curious however |
| 08:22.30 | Woet | dub: I'm not sure whether that is just to prevent you chatting in this channel or whether the channel has actual people who know more about wheezy/sid, but it's worth a try |
| 08:23.01 | nevyn | Woet: it's more about the former. |
| 08:23.21 | nevyn | most of the people on -next are here too. (btw -next is on oftc not freenode) |
| 08:23.39 | Woet | yea, I still don't know why there are 2 channels |
| 08:24.19 | optraz | jelly-home: thank you for your kind assitance. you have been very helpful. |
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| 08:25.29 | dub | Woet: last time I was here there wasnt |
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| 08:26.22 | codekK | hello how i can install sun-java6-jre package? I dont find it at official repository |
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| 08:27.17 | nevyn | !java-package |
| 08:27.17 | dpkg | The java-package <contrib> package (formerly mpkg-j2se, j2se-package) provides the make-jpkg utility, for creating Debian packages from manually downloaded <Java> distributions. It was removed from Debian post-Lenny (Debian bug #577423) and reintroduced in February 2012. java-package currently supports Oracle Java 6 (update >= 10) and Oracle Java 7. Where possible, use <OpenJDK> instead, ask me about <install java>. |
| 08:27.20 | Sevet | dub: looks like you've possibly got a mix of package versions, sharing a dependancy but restricting which version they depend on so uninstall the version the other needs to install the one they need. check you're not mixing sid & non-sid repositories, apt's cache is up-to-date and you've updated all your packages. as woet points out, #debian-next would be the best place to ask though |
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| 08:27.57 | dub | if it wasnt invite only |
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| 08:28.29 | Sevet | #debian-next isn't on freenode, as mentioned in the topic |
| 08:28.42 | Sevet | it's on irc.oftc.net |
| 08:28.50 | codekK | but im not at wheezy/sid |
| 08:28.53 | dub | thats less than useful |
| 08:28.54 | codekK | im at squeeze |
| 08:29.00 | dub | since I am not on oftc |
| 08:29.10 | Woet | codekK: we are not talking to you. |
| 08:29.18 | codekK | ah |
| 08:29.19 | codekK | okey |
| 08:29.19 | codekK | sorry |
| 08:29.23 | Sevet | dub: so switch networks or join in another window :) |
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| 08:31.05 | dub | Sevet: or I'll just use netcat and feel a bit less enthusiastic about debian :) |
| 08:31.20 | Sevet | dub: technically the 'official' debian channels are all on oftc.net (http://www.debian.org/support#irc) freenode just happens to also have a very popular #debian |
| 08:31.37 | rwp | codekK, Are you aware of this: http://sylvestre.ledru.info/blog/sylvestre/2011/08/26/sun_java6_packages_removed_from_debian_u |
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| 08:32.27 | dub | Sevet: lame, when did that happen? |
| 08:33.43 | Sevet | pass, but the channel logs go back to at least 2003 so probably some time ago |
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| 08:35.00 | codekK | rwp, thx but i need sun-java6-jre for install OpenFire (XMPP server) |
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| 08:35.27 | codekK | i see its avaible at deb http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main non-free |
| 08:35.29 | codekK | no? |
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| 08:36.06 | rwp | codekK, sun-java6-jre is still available. Install it. |
| 08:36.20 | codekK | ok |
| 08:36.22 | codekK | thank you |
| 08:36.56 | dub | at least I have FTDI support now |
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| 08:43.32 | b52 | anyone running a software raid5 with 3 partitions? got a question concerning /proc/mdstat's output |
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| 08:45.31 | b52 | cause my md0 doesnt list the third partiton sdc1, its jsut [UU_] but if I mdadm --examine /dev/sdc1 it says its active and everything is fine |
| 08:46.00 | b52 | if i do mdadm --examine on the remaining two they state their Array State is AA. (the third one missing) |
| 08:46.17 | b52 | do i misinterpred something? |
| 08:46.23 | Tuxist | hi |
| 08:46.45 | Tuxist | ich have problem with a custom kernel and u-boot |
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| 08:49.18 | nkuttler | !de |
| 08:49.19 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 08:49.40 | Tuxist | type misstake srry |
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| 08:50.01 | hamid | !ir |
| 08:50.02 | dpkg | IrDA is an infrared wireless communication standard. To use on Debian systems: enable infrared in BIOS (if built-in), "aptitude install irda-utils" (its init script starts irattach by default), enable infrared on the other device, "cat /proc/net/irda/discovery" / irdadump to test. To provide /dev/ircomm* devices, "modprobe ircomm-tty". See also irda-utils' README.Debian. http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Infrared-HOWTO/ Not for CIR, see <lirc>. |
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| 09:00.39 | s3phir0th115 | This may have been brought up already, but has it been suggested to add this to the motd? > http://debian-handbook.info/blog/ |
| 09:00.48 | s3phir0th115 | If not, may I be the first. |
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| 09:07.45 | GabrieleV | Hello, when I reboot a machine, sometimes ntpd takes a lot of minutes to start. This occurs always when there is no connectivity. Someone has a suggestion to avoid this delay ? I googled for similar problem, but didn't find a solution that works. Running Squeeze. Thank you :) |
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| 09:08.03 | Woet | GabrieleV: what does syslog say? |
| 09:08.13 | Woet | most likely you have a network problem which prevents ntpd from starting properly |
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| 09:09.23 | GabrieleV | Woet, let me see syslog ... I would like that ntpd will not stop my booting sequences. There a lot of reason why I need to start a machine without external connectivity. |
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| 09:20.20 | GabrieleV | Woet, here is the syslog excerpt: http://pastebin.com/sEg6swCp |
| 09:20.32 | GabrieleV | Woet, maybe ntp - ntpdate conflict ? |
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| 09:38.47 | lusers | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 09:38.48 | judd | Package: nvidia-glx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-backports/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 295.40-1; sid/non-free: 295.49-1; experimental/non-free: 302.07-1 |
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| 09:41.34 | ChrisH | GabrieleV: Did I get your Q right. with no internet connection ntp/ntpdate does not start quick enough? From the syslog I see that ntpdate jumps in before ntp itself starts. If ntpdate hangs, due to non existing internet connection, ntp cannot bind to the corresponding port. stopping ntpdate from starting on each boot might improve the situation. |
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| 09:47.31 | GabrieleV | ChrisH, Yes, you got it. |
| 09:48.48 | GabrieleV | ChrisH, may be deleting /etc/network/if-up.d/ntpdate solve this without the need to remove and purge the package ? |
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| 09:51.28 | ChrisH | GabrieleV: then 2 suggestions, 1. ensure Internet connection during reboot. or 2. remove ntpdate auto-start. In case ntp does not start, due to more then 1000sec differnece between server and client you need to run ntpdate manually. I personally do not like the use of ntpdate in any automagically way as there is still SW out reacting strange on time changes. (less on Linux but on UNIX[TM] systems) |
| 09:55.08 | GabrieleV | ChrisH, 1. is not applicable for me, because I have a situation where the default gw is a virtual machine on the same machine that is starting (I know it's a really bad thing, but I can't change that). |
| 09:55.24 | GabrieleV | ChrisH, 2.I didn't know about this 1000sec problem. Is there a way to force starting of ntpd anyway ? |
| 09:56.27 | ChrisH | GabrieleV: regarding the 1000sec -> no way. The algorithm does not work (Konvergiert nicht, dunno the the english term) if the delta is greater 1000 sec |
| 09:56.45 | codekK | what is the software to setup DNS in debian |
| 09:56.47 | codekK | ?? |
| 09:58.08 | GabrieleV | ChrisH, Thank you. Maybe I'll configure a nagios check for time on that machines, and remove ntpdate autostart. Your suggestions were very useful. Thank you again. |
| 09:58.18 | GabrieleV | codekK, Do you want a DNS server ? |
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| 09:58.40 | codekK | Yes |
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| 09:58.55 | GabrieleV | codekK, Personally I use bind9 |
| 09:59.03 | codekK | Ok |
| 09:59.04 | codekK | thx |
| 09:59.12 | GabrieleV | codekK, yaw |
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| 10:13.47 | neo^ | how can i check if my debian 6 system is really not infected with malware??? |
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| 10:17.02 | vtts | what kind of malware? |
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| 10:18.31 | Akedion | maybe rootkit? |
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| 10:20.40 | neo^ | found Securing Debian HowTo |
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| 10:21.25 | nevyn | !package aide |
| 10:21.46 | technologov | hi ! Does Debian has SSD cache software ? I wanna achieve something like Z68 chipset effect, but in software |
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| 10:26.31 | Sevet | technologov: there's flashcache, but it's not packaged for debian quite yet (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=635504) |
| 10:28.41 | technologov | thx |
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| 10:31.34 | _aeris_ | hello everybody ! |
| 10:32.22 | Akedion | hi _areis_ |
| 10:32.28 | _aeris_ | is there anybody here who can tell me about Debian/Linux compatibility for a Nvidia GeForce GT 520 ? |
| 10:32.48 | _aeris_ | my current GPU is dead, so begin for me a long long path to the redemption :þ |
| 10:33.45 | nevyn | what nv core is that? |
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| 10:33.50 | SpComb | it seems debian's "initscripts" package's postinst overwrites /etc/motd with a symlink to /var/run/motd on upgrades? |
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| 10:34.03 | SpComb | my custom /etc/motd dissapeared on the 6.0.5 update |
| 10:34.13 | _aeris_ | nevyn > NVD9 (GF119) |
| 10:34.53 | _aeris_ | freedesktop say NVC0 family |
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| 10:35.53 | nevyn | ah.. nouveau has a status page here: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix |
| 10:36.00 | nevyn | NVC0 is 2nd from the right. |
| 10:36.06 | _aeris_ | i currently have a quadro NVS 290, which is NV50 family |
| 10:36.18 | _aeris_ | nvc0 seeems have less feature |
| 10:36.42 | thewanderer1 | guys, anyone with a recent Xeon processor here? I need some help debugging a KVM problem |
| 10:36.56 | _aeris_ | but any other information are available for compatibility |
| 10:37.04 | _aeris_ | what is working or not |
| 10:37.14 | thewanderer1 | I have a one-liner to identify if there's x2apic support and print the model number, I'd be grateful if you could run it and post the results |
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| 10:38.21 | thewanderer1 | http://paste.debian.net/168714/ |
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| 10:39.44 | thewanderer1 | my Xeon X3440 doesn't report that feature, and I kind of need it for IRQ remapping to provide VT-d security (CVE-2011-1898) |
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| 10:41.00 | nevyn | define newish... |
| 10:41.08 | nevyn | umm I've got 5500's? |
| 10:41.34 | nevyn | x5550's |
| 10:41.49 | thewanderer1 | will do |
| 10:42.03 | thewanderer1 | for testing, at least |
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| 10:42.20 | thewanderer1 | I'm trying to find out if this affects the whole Nehalem line-up or just some specific models |
| 10:42.25 | nevyn | Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5550 @ 2.67GHz : NO |
| 10:42.40 | Trewas | thewanderer1: newest I have access to is Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5645 @ 2.40GHz : NO |
| 10:42.54 | thewanderer1 | oh well. that's crap :P |
| 10:43.28 | thewanderer1 | anyone with Sandy Bridge, too? |
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| 10:44.11 | klys | .yt molten - faction |
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| 10:44.52 | klys | nm |
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| 10:45.04 | thewanderer1 | thanks for testing, guys |
| 10:45.44 | Trewas | thewanderer1: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40GHz : YES |
| 10:46.17 | thewanderer1 | as I thought... a feature fundamental to VT-d operation is only available in Sandy Bridge and later :P |
| 10:47.14 | jelly | huh? |
| 10:47.24 | jelly | thewanderer1: which feature would that be |
| 10:47.26 | nevyn | oh woo.. hypervisor escape |
| 10:47.39 | thewanderer1 | jelly: x2apic - somehow seems required for IRQ remapping |
| 10:48.01 | thewanderer1 | notice I meant VT-d not VT-x |
| 10:48.19 | nevyn | thewanderer1: disable pci passthrough? |
| 10:48.24 | nevyn | is that an option? |
| 10:48.40 | thewanderer1 | nevyn: that's the whole point of this setup! ;_; |
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| 10:49.19 | thewanderer1 | but yeah, for now I just trust the FreeBSD VM... |
| 10:49.50 | nevyn | are you sure that x2apic is required for irq remapping? |
| 10:50.16 | thewanderer1 | I am not *sure*, but all evidence I have found seems to suggest that... |
| 10:50.48 | ChrisH | thewanderer1: Sandy Bridge here... what to check? |
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| 10:51.37 | thewanderer1 | ChrisH: grep x2apic /proc/cpuinfo; |
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| 10:51.55 | nevyn | thewanderer1: you know just pasting the oneliner in here would have required less effort of everyone ;) rather than working around the spam prevention on p.d.o |
| 10:52.01 | jelly | "Intel VT-d chipsets without interrupt remapping do not prevent a guest which owns a PCI device from using DMA to generate MSI interrupts by writing to the interrupt injection registers. This can be exploited to inject traps and gain control of the host." |
| 10:52.07 | thewanderer1 | also, RedHat says this is the IOMMU interrupt remap check: http://paste.debian.net/168716/ |
| 10:52.30 | thewanderer1 | jelly: yeah, and all interrupt remapping code I have found seems to check for x2apic somehow O.o |
| 10:53.30 | ChrisH | thewanderer1: 4 hits on i5-2520 @2.5GHz |
| 10:54.17 | thewanderer1 | ChrisH: if you have a recent kernel, could you try this? http://paste.debian.net/168716/ |
| 10:54.19 | jelly | thewanderer1: tbh, it was already known VT-d would have security issues |
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| 10:54.46 | ChrisH | is 3.1.0-1 recent enough? |
| 10:54.47 | alkisg | If I believe that a bug was not fixed, I reply to the bug report with the following in my subject first line? |
| 10:54.47 | alkisg | notfixed 666981 numlockx 1.2-3 |
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| 10:55.00 | alkisg | *message body first line |
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| 10:55.12 | thewanderer1 | ChrisH: I think it might require booting with intel_iommu=on for these messages to show up |
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| 10:55.59 | thewanderer1 | I may not find causation, but correlation in case of hardware feature support will be enough |
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| 10:57.04 | boston8372 | anyone know why env command (from mac ssh) shows different environment variables than on the debian same login |
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| 10:57.53 | boston8372 | missing java_home etc to make it functional |
| 10:58.18 | ChrisH | boston8372: man ssh search for environment |
| 10:58.37 | ChrisH | boston8372: create profiles for that user |
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| 10:58.59 | ChrisH | thewanderer1: without booting -> no support found |
| 10:59.33 | thewanderer1 | ChrisH: yeah, it doesn't activate the IOMMU by default... |
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| 11:00.32 | ChrisH | thewanderer1: could you give me a hint where inside the millions of file in grub2 I can add the option? (I want grub or lilo back) |
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| 11:01.00 | thewanderer1 | ChrisH: editor /etc/default/grub; update-grub; |
| 11:02.31 | ChrisH | thewanderer1: found, done. rebooting |
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| 11:03.54 | Night_Elf | I really wonder, why a big vendor like HP, has linux utilities for some various linux distros, (RHEL, SUSE) and nothing for debian? I mean, how freaking difficult is it to assemble the same things for debian? What I am talking about is the hpasm and hpsmh packages! |
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| 11:05.31 | GabrieleV | Night_Elf, Have you tried http://downloads.linux.hp.com/SDR/ |
| 11:05.38 | ChrisH | thewanderer1: Interrupt remapping support available |
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| 11:06.08 | thewanderer1 | ChrisH: thanks. one more reason to upgrade for me :P |
| 11:06.20 | Night_Elf | GabrieleV: I will check that. Thanks for the hint. |
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| 11:06.29 | ChrisH | thewanderer1: Now, please explain what I switched on :) |
| 11:06.32 | GabrieleV | Night_Elf, yaw |
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| 11:06.55 | thewanderer1 | ChrisH: you can now assign host's PCI devices to guests in KVM :P |
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| 11:07.59 | ChrisH | thewanderer1: OK, as I only use Virtualbox on that box I assume it does not have any impact/improvment. |
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| 11:11.53 | Devastator | Night_Elf seems like hp only supports rpm-like distros |
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| 11:19.01 | boston8372 | ChrisH: thx, ~/.ssh/environment and PermitUserEnvironment |
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| 11:28.07 | mafiaboy | hi guys........does debian releases betas or rc before it's final release |
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| 11:28.43 | thewanderer1 | mafiaboy: no, but there is a freeze in testing, which is as close to a beta as it gets |
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| 11:30.01 | thewanderer1 | mafiaboy: i.e. if you install Debian testing during the freeze, you get pretty much what the stable will contain |
| 11:31.08 | mafiaboy | so .......when is the release expected this year"i know the philosophy that it will be when it's done" |
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| 11:39.47 | bardzusny | mafiaboy: I recall someone here saying "end of this year", that's all I know though |
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| 11:40.17 | thewanderer1 | mafiaboy: it probably depends on when a usable desktop will be available, among others - release goals are mostly met I think |
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| 11:41.59 | thewanderer1 | mafiaboy: in reality, nobody knows until the freeze is announced. then, it can be an additional ~6 months till release, as far as I remember from the last freeze... |
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| 11:42.21 | rocketmagnet | hi all |
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| 11:43.04 | boston8372 | what release u guys talking about (version) |
| 11:43.17 | thewanderer1 | finds "Software attacks against Intel VT-d and interrupt remapping" from Invisible Things Lab... how sweet... |
| 11:43.49 | rocketmagnet | i've troubles=( - can someone help me out ? i've no clue what the problem might be ... http://pastebin.com/sYV7HQRr |
| 11:44.11 | Night_Elf | Devastator: Yea it appears so. And this is so lame. |
| 11:44.48 | bardzusny | boston8372: wheezy |
| 11:45.04 | rocketmagnet | btw. i'm using squeeze |
| 11:45.24 | boston8372 | what version number ? |
| 11:45.24 | rocketmagnet | and i've installed the official samsung ml 1660 driver and the nvidia binary drivers |
| 11:45.51 | rocketmagnet | me? |
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| 11:49.44 | boston8372 | large file format, remove obsolete libraries, boot performance, archive format, seems not to much to get excited about |
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| 11:50.51 | thewanderer1 | boston8372: what release goals were you reading? O.o |
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| 11:51.09 | boston8372 | http://release.debian.org/wheezy/goals.txt |
| 11:51.19 | rocketmagnet | the full error log is here: http://www.pasteall.org/31804/text |
| 11:51.23 | rocketmagnet | ^ |
| 11:51.46 | thewanderer1 | boston8372: well, multiarch is a big deal :P |
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| 11:52.45 | mafiaboy | if it comes out this december(suppose)then squeeze will be supported till one more year? |
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| 11:56.53 | boston8372 | thewanderer1 sounds ambitious. but like a patch, doing 32 bit and 64 bit all at once |
| 11:57.18 | thewanderer1 | mafiaboy: something like that, yes |
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| 11:57.59 | boston8372 | like microsoft thunking |
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| 12:02.36 | boston8372 | 64 bit cpu's have been out in masses since 2005 ? why dont the software vendors grow a set of balls and get their crap together. force everything 64 |
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| 12:02.58 | mafiaboy | i think ....gnome 3 is not good enough to be stable for debian wheezy |
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| 12:03.16 | bardzusny | boston8372: it's not so simple, for example Atoms didn't have 64-bit until recently (or they still don't have it? I must double check this...) |
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| 12:03.36 | boston8372 | so those users stay with squeeze |
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| 12:04.38 | thewanderer1 | bardzusny: almost all desktop and laptop Atoms now have EM64T |
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| 12:05.01 | thewanderer1 | since late 2010 |
| 12:05.26 | boston8372 | the problem is the amount of focus spent on such a waste of time instead of adding new features that people need |
| 12:07.15 | thewanderer1 | mafiaboy: I've mentioned this and some other points in an article, http://rkaw.pl/?action=view&url=debian-life -- could save you some ranting, I hope :P |
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| 12:09.03 | fasta | If I type foo in my address bar, can I have a brower independent solution which then server up URL XYZ? |
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| 12:09.24 | fasta | Or do I basically have to run a webserver for that? |
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| 12:09.39 | fasta | browser* |
| 12:09.51 | boston8372 | you can cram something into your hosts file |
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| 12:10.29 | thewanderer1 | fasta: there is opendns.com, who offer "DNS aliases" - they basically serve a redirector page under a name of your choosing. requires you to use their DNS service, though. |
| 12:10.47 | bardzusny | boston8372: that would prevent a /lot/ of hardware from using debian |
| 12:11.04 | bardzusny | I still use 32-bit, for example - and I'm not alone in this |
| 12:11.08 | thewanderer1 | using hosts may be hard due to the way HTTP virtual hosting works (mind the Host: header) |
| 12:11.31 | boston8372 | they would use debian squeeze |
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| 12:11.58 | boston8372 | and it will work till 2020 |
| 12:12.15 | imexil | Hi, the recent update of debian stable somehow left my python installation in a non'configurable state. I'm getting: http://paste.debian.net/168727/ Is there anything I can do to find out what part of the post-installation fails? |
| 12:12.22 | boston8372 | just like so many folks are still on msft server 2000 and 2003 |
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| 12:12.52 | bardzusny | boston8372: but I don't want to stay at squeeze :) (and again, I'm far from alone in this) |
| 12:13.44 | boston8372 | how is squeeze not performing for u |
| 12:13.47 | thewanderer1 | x86 (32-bit registers, that is) support is not going away because *lots* of embedded hardware still uses it. |
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| 12:14.37 | boston8372 | so use squeeze but dont dummy down the rest of us |
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| 12:14.55 | Harzilein | hi |
| 12:14.57 | bardzusny | boston8372: using this reasoning, armel arch would be dropped |
| 12:15.05 | bardzusny | and many others |
| 12:15.24 | Harzilein | should the upstream branch preferably contain the history from upstream's git? |
| 12:15.32 | thewanderer1 | imexil: I'm afraid you'll have to track down the postinst script part manually |
| 12:15.40 | bardzusny | boston8372: right now I don't even use it, I have sid |
| 12:15.44 | Harzilein | what if it does not line up with the tarball? |
| 12:15.56 | imexil | thewanderer1: how would one start that |
| 12:16.34 | thewanderer1 | imexil: there should be /var/lib/dpkg/info/$packagename.postinst - see what it does and follow |
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| 12:16.49 | imexil | ok thanks will try that |
| 12:16.50 | Trewas | boston8372: debian has many architectures which are a lot less used (and much less useful) than 32bit x86 |
| 12:17.20 | bardzusny | Trewas: exactly |
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| 12:18.01 | boston8372 | u mean 64 bit |
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| 12:18.50 | boston8372 | or Motorola circa 1990 |
| 12:18.58 | bardzusny | boston8372: as thewanderer1 said, atom netbooks before 2010 had 32-bit cpu |
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| 12:19.22 | bardzusny | assuming wheezy release in next year, you can't run newest version of debian on hardware that's < 5 years old |
| 12:19.45 | bardzusny | that would be quite ridiculous |
| 12:20.17 | boston8372 | why would that be ridiculous |
| 12:20.30 | boston8372 | you buy a Casio watch some day u cant upgrade anymore |
| 12:20.53 | boston8372 | u guys like 15 years old or something |
| 12:21.21 | boston8372 | worked in this industry more than 3 years ? |
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| 12:22.51 | boston8372 | omg a $150 atom cant be upgraded let's fret about that, $30/year amortized |
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| 12:23.11 | boston8372 | let's dummy down the next release over that issue |
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| 12:24.17 | bardzusny | boston8372: basically it boils down to this: a /lot/ of x86 hardware is still in use |
| 12:24.37 | Night_Elf | This is insane. I tried to install hp-health package that I got from HP support page. It didn't install, telling me that "this server is not supported" (right, I installed it on my desktop HP pavilion). Now, I want to uninstall it, and I get this: invoke-rc.d: initscript hp-health, action "start" failed. dpkg: error processing hp-health (--purge):subprocess installed pre-removal script returned 1 |
| 12:24.37 | bardzusny | and it's not going away for several years more at least |
| 12:25.00 | boston8372 | and some hardware could not run on Vista or Windows 7. It forces evolution |
| 12:25.14 | Night_Elf | How can I get rid of the wretched HP package ? |
| 12:25.27 | boston8372 | and people trash their trash or stay with squeeze or Windows 98 |
| 12:26.01 | Harzilein | -.- |
| 12:26.40 | ChrisH | About 1year ago I had issue getting a working 64bit version of Adobe's acrobat working on one of my amd64 systems. As long as this does happen I praise Debian for keeping 32bit alive! |
| 12:27.04 | bardzusny | ChrisH: yes, some software still flakes on 64-bit, that's one more issue |
| 12:27.19 | boston8372 | so Adobe fixes it |
| 12:27.32 | boston8372 | that is called pressure |
| 12:27.37 | bardzusny | boston8372: Debian doesn't subscribe to the philosophy of forcing hardware upgrades on users, and many like it |
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| 12:28.00 | boston8372 | they also dont force u to upgrade their os |
| 12:28.21 | boston8372 | which like i said will run forever |
| 12:28.49 | bardzusny | security updates will end at oldstable |
| 12:29.02 | ChrisH | I still want to use my older Dell D800 Laptop which is 32bit but has a brilliant display. But I still want the current stable version with security updates. |
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| 12:29.32 | bardzusny | ChrisH: glad not to be alone here :) I have 32-bit notebook too |
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| 12:30.02 | Trewas | boston8372: releasing for i386 does not take much effort, because every upstream and distribution still uses and supports it, unlike something like sparc or powerpc where debian has to do extra work because no-one else cares |
| 12:30.16 | ChrisH | I was punished enough when Debian dropped the PA-Risc support a while ago. |
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| 12:30.38 | boston8372 | well I am a server hound not an Ubuntu sorta user who uses $100 hardware |
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| 12:31.26 | boston8372 | doesnt take much effort eh, 2 years ? |
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| 12:31.51 | Harzilein | has notebook candidates that nowadays should get emdebian for x86 instead :) |
| 12:32.13 | boston8372 | i like more than 1 G memory |
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| 12:32.24 | Harzilein | they are enough to get wifi, irc and ssh at conferences :) |
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| 12:33.27 | boston8372 | actually 4 years behind MSFT for 64 bit |
| 12:33.42 | Harzilein | ChrisH: 68k being dropped was sad too |
| 12:33.52 | boston8372 | no wait 9 years |
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| 12:34.06 | ChrisH | What is MSFT? |
| 12:34.26 | Harzilein | ChrisH: buddy of GOOG and AAPL |
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| 12:35.35 | pjc_ | ChrisH: looks like a stock symbol |
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| 12:38.14 | phorce1 | I'm using LibreOffice at home (fresh squeeze install) and OOo at my office (upgrade from Lenny). I've poked around but want to be sure, none of my OOo documents (mostly .ods) will be 'broken' by switching to LibreOffice on the other machine, right? |
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| 12:39.06 | klawd | yeah, right. |
| 12:39.09 | ChrisH | phorce1: From my personal expierence it simply works... Not as the M$ stuff. |
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| 12:40.17 | boston8372 | ChrisH u went a way for a while thx for the environment var help |
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| 12:41.06 | ChrisH | boston8372: Your welcome |
| 12:42.11 | phorce1 | ChrisH: thx, I'll hit 'Y' now |
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| 12:50.47 | phorce1 | bleh! I still need to clean up/fix the nxserver init scripts so dep-based booting can configure correctly |
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| 12:51.42 | karlpinc | !insserv |
| 12:51.42 | dpkg | insserv is a dependency-based <init> system that is compatible with <sysvinit> and is the default from squeeze onwards. To use insserv, your init scripts need to have tags at the top of them that describe what they depend on, to permit the correct ordering of the init scripts; ask me about <missing lsb tags>. |
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| 12:53.17 | phorce1 | karlpinc: I know, I need to fix broken scripts from a 3rd party installer (nxserver/nxclient <--- I like it better than forwarding X ... feels faster) |
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| 12:54.05 | bardzusny | nxserver/nxclient? I have to check that out |
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| 12:54.50 | phorce1 | karlpinc: I need to pick at them and decide what they depend on based on the current ordering (or google to see if someone else has fixed it) |
| 12:55.12 | bardzusny | phorce1: is it something like vnc but way faster? |
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| 13:12.10 | phorce1 | bardzusny: gimme a few --- have to go AFK |
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| 13:12.57 | bardzusny | sure |
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| 13:14.06 | mzeki | hi guys me again. i have a problem with my sound card. i am using a creative x-fi and having problems with a 5.1 sound system. as you can guess, i cant get all the channels working. should i work on aoundrc file for this? |
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| 13:15.11 | tralala | !surround |
| 13:15.26 | tralala | hmmm |
| 13:15.33 | mzeki | didn't work? : ) |
| 13:15.42 | _Christophe_ | Does anybody could suggest me a good firewall with IP filtering for accessing the web, opening hours for accessing the web, VPN configuration...? |
| 13:15.47 | tralala | mzeki, does alsamixer have a switch for 2ch/6ch mode? |
| 13:16.08 | Akedion | ipcop? |
| 13:16.17 | bardzusny | _Christophe_: cron + iptables |
| 13:16.18 | _Christophe_ | hardware |
| 13:16.35 | _Christophe_ | I would like a hardware version |
| 13:16.41 | nevyn | mzeki: are you trying to get analog 5.1 working or ac3 or something else? |
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| 13:16.59 | tralala | _Christophe_, and therefore you ask #debian? |
| 13:17.09 | mzeki | tralala, how can i understand that? there i see all channels on sound settings and are all unmuted. but there is no setting for 2ch or 6ch |
| 13:17.16 | bardzusny | _Christophe_: you mean network router? |
| 13:17.26 | _Christophe_ | Maybe some geeks work with this king of hardware ;) |
| 13:17.36 | tralala | mzeki, why don't you pastebin the alsamixer's screen? |
| 13:17.37 | nevyn | _Christophe_: what hardware? |
| 13:17.41 | _Christophe_ | No a hardware with all thoses aspects |
| 13:17.53 | bardzusny | _Christophe_: you can definitely do that on OpenWRT |
| 13:18.01 | bardzusny | (it supports many routers) |
| 13:18.12 | _Christophe_ | Ah, I'll take a look bardzusny, thanks :) |
| 13:18.16 | bardzusny | using iptables + cron :p |
| 13:18.22 | _Christophe_ | lol |
| 13:18.23 | Harzilein | bardzusny: :D |
| 13:18.27 | mzeki | tralala, i know this is not the answer that you expect but, how can i do that? what exactly would you mean by alsamixer's screen? |
| 13:18.36 | _Christophe_ | Yes but I know there's also a web interface |
| 13:18.37 | nevyn | _Christophe_: openwrt ddwrt the new wrt firmware with AQM |
| 13:19.08 | bardzusny | _Christophe_: there is, I must say though that I have never used it |
| 13:19.09 | thewanderer1 | nevyn: they have AQM now? did that even end up in mainstream Linux? |
| 13:19.23 | nevyn | thewanderer1: very very experimental |
| 13:19.28 | thewanderer1 | oh, okay |
| 13:19.31 | nevyn | it's based on stuff out of the bufferbloat stuff. |
| 13:19.58 | nevyn | thewanderer1: it's heading for mainline they seem to have worked out a way to make AQM notsuck |
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| 13:20.25 | tralala | mzeki, it's what you see when you run alsamixer |
| 13:20.36 | thewanderer1 | nevyn: thanks, good to know |
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| 13:22.24 | mzeki | tralala, mhm. is this? http://pastebin.com/9ikm3DJd |
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| 13:23.58 | ChrisH | _Christophe_: depends on the needed throughput... Juniper are OK |
| 13:24.22 | nevyn | thewanderer1: I just flicked you a lwn subscriberlink to the relevant article |
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| 13:26.19 | tralala | mzeki, yes, but there are more controls to the right |
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| 13:29.06 | slbmeh | i just changed subnets on my box and now it can't ping any machine on the same switch, other machines can get a ping reply from it |
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| 13:31.04 | mzeki | tralala, the rest of it i think http://pastebin.com/T6izpPPq ? |
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| 13:31.50 | tralala | mzeki, ok and how do you test the surround? |
| 13:32.14 | mzeki | mhm, good question |
| 13:32.26 | mzeki | i am just trying a video from web browser |
| 13:32.45 | mzeki | or playing a music file via movie player |
| 13:33.19 | tralala | right. Why don't you try 'speaker-test -c6 -twav' |
| 13:33.46 | afuentes | man fsck.ext says for -C fd. "If the file descriptor specified is 0, e2fsck will print a completion bar as it goes ". fd number 0 is not stdin? :S im confused (it does not show progress with -C 0 or -C 1 (stdout) |
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| 13:43.43 | zwerg | Hello there. |
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| 13:44.17 | zwerg | dist-upgrade on unstable wants to delete console-tools. Is this safe to do? |
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| 13:46.28 | krisfremen | umm, never actually thought about this, but there's fg, bg, but where's stop? |
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| 13:48.53 | bardzusny | zwerg: it's surely not essential (my system doesn't have this package installed) |
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| 13:50.30 | Mohsen_Hassani | I installed debian on a new PC but it's not booting up |
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| 13:50.42 | Mohsen_Hassani | it stuck in (initramfs) |
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| 13:51.10 | bardzusny | Mohsen_Hassani: debian squeeze? |
| 13:51.33 | Mohsen_Hassani | bardzusny, yes |
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| 13:51.50 | bardzusny | what's the exact error message |
| 13:52.05 | zwerg | bardzusny: Thank you! Removal in progress... |
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| 13:52.56 | Mohsen_Hassani | bardzusny, No Caching mode page present |
| 13:53.11 | Mohsen_Hassani | bardzusny, Assuming drive cache: write through |
| 13:53.21 | Mohsen_Hassani | /bin/sh/ can't access tty job control turned off |
| 13:53.27 | bardzusny | Mohsen_Hassani: those are all right, I get them too |
| 13:53.33 | bardzusny | hmm |
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| 13:53.49 | Mohsen_Hassani | bardzusny, BusyBox v.1.19.3 |
| 13:54.16 | Mohsen_Hassani | bardzusny, I'm installing it using a net install version |
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| 13:54.50 | Mohsen_Hassani | bardzusny, It first boots up in the black linux screen, but when I dist-upgrade it, it won't boot up in restart |
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| 13:54.54 | mzeki | i've just tested speakes with "speaker-test -Dplug:surround51 -c6 -twav" command and all working fine. but they are not working with applications. any idea how can i achieve this? |
| 13:55.07 | shevy | does one of you guys knows "error:debconf: Perl may be unconfigured (Can't locate Debconf/Log.pm in @INC" where I could get the Debconf/Log.pm thing? |
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| 13:56.33 | bardzusny | Mohsen_Hassani: so it works all right until you dist-upgrade it? |
| 13:56.34 | Cryp71c | Why is /var/ the place of choice for the www folder? |
| 13:56.49 | Mohsen_Hassani | bardzusny, yes |
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| 13:57.18 | Mohsen_Hassani | bardzusny, What's this (initramfs) black screen, what can I do in here? |
| 13:57.26 | asarch | What's the difference between "debian-wheezy-DI-a1-i386-DVD-1.iso" and "debian-testing-i386-DVD-1.iso"? |
| 13:57.51 | CruX| | diff debian-wheezy-DI-a1-i386-DVD-1.iso debian-testing-i386-DVD-1.iso |
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| 13:59.34 | bardzusny | Mohsen_Hassani: it's command prompt that gets invoked when initrd fails to mount hard drive partition and/or run /sbin/init from it |
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| 13:59.47 | nevyn | that's notgood. |
| 13:59.51 | nevyn | hrm |
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| 14:00.49 | saintwolf | Hey guys, I'm trying to do an apt-get upgrade, but everytime I try it exits with the error "find: invalid predicate '-delete'" (when it trys to install python-minimal). Any idea how I can fix this? |
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| 14:03.45 | phorce1 | bardzusny: the joys of being a small business owner. When the ballasts in 3 lights fail and you dial the maintenance department you relize it's your own phone ringing. |
| 14:03.56 | phorce1 | bardzusny: NX is an X server, not an "X controller" like VNC. When you log in with NX it's like you're sitting at your desk (including screwed up panel icons if you log in from a system that has a lower resolution than your primary system --- I'm cleaning unused launchers off of my top panel today because of that issue, they don't all fit when I log in from home). |
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| 14:05.10 | bardzusny | so it spawns new X server, but apart from that it's like vnc, only faster? |
| 14:05.40 | bardzusny | I may hate Windows, but rdp > vnc nevertheless |
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| 14:06.44 | phorce1 | bardzusny: I never liked VNC so I can't compare the speed to VNC specifically. It is faster than forwarding native X through ssh. NX also tunnels through ssh though. |
| 14:06.53 | Cryp71c | bardzusny, if you're using unix and you're electing to use vnc, you're not utilizing the available toools. |
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| 14:07.13 | bardzusny | Cryp71c: that's what I'm finding out now |
| 14:07.17 | phorce1 | bardzusny: it's like using RDP on windows vs using VNC |
| 14:07.35 | Cryp71c | bardzusny, typically, vnc < X through SSH < NX |
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| 14:08.10 | Cryp71c | based on my experience, there are other options, but if you're talking about a UI that's more or less the gist of things. |
| 14:09.17 | bardzusny | X forwarding works very badly with some apps, vnc is damn slow - I thought there weren't other solutions, glad to know it isn't the case |
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| 14:09.52 | phorce1 | bardzusny: http://www.nomachine.com/download-package.php?Prod_Id=3591 |
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| 14:11.27 | phorce1 | bardzusny: install with dpkg in the order they are listed on that page --- client, node, server |
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| 14:12.22 | bardzusny | I've found something called freenx (freenx.berlios.de) |
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| 14:14.27 | Sidney | I want to create a persistent usb flask drive but the iso I used to install cant be made persistent |
| 14:15.34 | bardzusny | Sidney: Do you want to install .iso livecd to usb with persistence, or do you want to install regular debian system to usb? |
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| 14:17.07 | bardzusny | phorcel: thanks again, I don't have opportunity to test this now |
| 14:17.11 | bardzusny | but it sounds very very good |
| 14:18.37 | Sidney | bardzusny, good question can I install regular debian with persistance? If not I need to install the .iso with persistence |
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| 14:19.13 | saintwolf | Anyone? |
| 14:19.21 | bardzusny | Sidney: then just install to usb drive as if you're installing to regular hard drive |
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| 14:20.34 | Sidney | bardzusny, great you could have saved me a lot of reading |
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| 14:21.13 | bardzusny | no problem |
| 14:21.20 | bardzusny | you'll lose fat partition though |
| 14:21.36 | bardzusny | :) |
| 14:22.17 | DustyDingo | hm |
| 14:22.23 | saintwolf | Guys, I'm trying to upgrade my debian system (with apt-get upgrade). It keeps failing on python-minimal. The error is "find: invalid predicate '-delete'" |
| 14:22.34 | saintwolf | Surely someone must have had this problem? |
| 14:22.56 | themill | saintwolf: please answer the questions you've already been asked. |
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| 14:23.40 | saintwolf | I see no questions addressed to me |
| 14:23.55 | themill | saintwolf: or better... please don't run away 30s after asking.... please pastebin the entire output along with the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy python python-minimal dpkg apt" |
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| 14:32.15 | Cryp71c | hrm, I accidentally removed a .load and .conf (or, more accuraetly, replaced them with empty, broken symlinks) |
| 14:32.26 | Cryp71c | from an apache2 isntallation, anyway to get those back easily? |
| 14:32.33 | Cryp71c | or recreate them? |
| 14:32.46 | dvs | for one file? I don't know. |
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| 14:33.23 | magnificence | Cryp71c: consult your backup system please. help will be with you shortly. |
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| 14:34.41 | themill | Cryp71c: /msg dpkg confmiss, work out which packages need to be installed, delete the broken symlinks and then do as dpkg says for those packages. |
| 14:35.14 | saintwolf | themill: http://pastebin.com/cexVeJan |
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| 14:40.27 | themill | saintwolf: and what does "dpkg -S $(which find); apt-cache policy findutils" say? |
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| 14:42.07 | saintwolf | themill: http://pastebin.com/VRNhpcsV |
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| 14:44.02 | themill | saintwolf: and what did "dpkg -S $(which find)" say? |
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| 14:44.37 | saintwolf | findutils: /usr/bin/find |
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| 14:45.13 | themill | hmm... find has supported -delete quite happily since etch |
| 14:45.34 | saintwolf | strange |
| 14:46.27 | saintwolf | Would it be worth manually replacing the executable? |
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| 14:46.50 | saintwolf | With a fresh one of the same version? |
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| 14:47.21 | themill | you could "aptitude reinstall findutils" but I somehow doubt that will help |
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| 14:50.13 | saintwolf | find --version reports it is 4.1 |
| 14:50.40 | saintwolf | I'd reinstall it your way, but that would screw up on my VPS (Can't install the jdk for some reason) |
| 14:50.46 | saintwolf | So going to try replacing the binary |
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| 14:51.44 | themill | hang on... what? |
| 14:52.15 | michaelh | i'm trying to install sid to a p4 using the business card testing netinst and it says it has an error installing the base system, error log says dependency problems prevent configuration of ifupdown |
| 14:52.22 | me-1 | hi...check my source list please . is it OK..?? (I am a new user btw) http://paste.debian.net/168762/ |
| 14:52.29 | themill | michaelh: welcome to sid |
| 14:52.48 | somiaj | michaelh: I would grab the netinstall cd and install a stable base system. Then dist-upgrade from there. |
| 14:52.55 | saintwolf | If I try and reinstall using aptitude reinstall findutils, it would try and reconfigure the jdk for some reason, which won't install due to lack of swap space |
| 14:53.02 | somiaj | or use debootstrap from a live system |
| 14:53.03 | themill | (going via testing first) |
| 14:53.22 | michaelh | could I just install the stable base then switch my repos later to move to sid? |
| 14:53.43 | bardzusny | michaelh: in theory, yes |
| 14:54.14 | somiaj | michaelh: if you plan to goto sid you won't want to install more than the base system before you dist-upgrade. The more you install, the more things could have bugs/errors when upgrading. |
| 14:54.29 | bardzusny | michaelh: I installed sid recently, had dependency problems too (with different package though) |
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| 14:54.44 | bardzusny | just install testing and then upgrade to sid |
| 14:54.51 | somiaj | michaelh: any reason why squeeze + backports won't work for you? |
| 14:54.53 | bardzusny | they're much closer than stable and unstable |
| 14:54.57 | michaelh | the funny thing is i just installed sid about 4 times in a row on a vm yesterday with the same netinst method and everything was fine |
| 14:55.06 | codekK | Anyone can help me with ejabberd? |
| 14:55.09 | bardzusny | michaelh: in sid, packages get broken |
| 14:55.17 | michaelh | the reason i want sid is because it is versionless |
| 14:55.19 | somiaj | michaelh: again welcome to sid, packages are constnatlly changing |
| 14:55.24 | themill | michaelh: sid's packages change several times per day... are you sure you want to be running sid? |
| 14:55.37 | somiaj | michaelh: is this a server? I woudln't be running sid on a production machine either. |
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| 14:56.07 | michaelh | well, if i use testing instead, will i have a huge hassle upgrading to another version later down the line? |
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| 14:56.32 | Harzilein | michaelh: if you upgrade to the new testing early on, maybe |
| 14:56.43 | michaelh | the machine im using this on was using ubuntu previously, and I wanted to switch because their upgrade cycle always caused problems |
| 14:56.53 | themill | michaelh: (a) upgrading is not a huge hassle and (b) testing is unstable without the broken dependencies. |
| 14:56.56 | somiaj | michaelh: if this is a server/production machien you should be using stable + backports. testing itself can have its own issues. |
| 14:57.07 | Harzilein | michaelh: i have run testing at home for ages and could usually fix it when a rare glitch occured |
| 14:57.36 | michaelh | its a noncritical production machine |
| 14:57.48 | bardzusny | on sid once in a while you'll run into major problems, if you can deal with that - go for it |
| 14:57.59 | bardzusny | I'm using sid and I can recall broken xorg, broken udev, broken mysql |
| 14:58.03 | themill | michaelh: "sid" and "production" are a bad combination. |
| 14:58.19 | somiaj | michaelh: why won't squeeze + backports work for you? |
| 14:58.20 | michaelh | i'm realising this lol |
| 14:58.39 | bardzusny | /definitely/ not for servers |
| 14:58.51 | michaelh | i'm looking for something that won't cause problems like ubuntu for major version updates |
| 14:59.05 | themill | michaelh: so you want debian stable then... |
| 14:59.32 | michaelh | i've heard that testing was pretty stable, does that break often? |
| 14:59.49 | thewanderer1 | michaelh: yes |
| 14:59.58 | Harzilein | michaelh: if you have a certain topic that requires bleeding edge packages (say for a development server) debian includes all kinds of solutions for rolling your own on a stable base |
| 15:00.01 | karlpinc | !tell michaelh about overview |
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| 15:00.28 | bardzusny | ever since backports got official, there's little reason to use testing over stable |
| 15:00.37 | michaelh | the machine is only going to run lampp and firefox |
| 15:00.54 | themill | itym iceweasel |
| 15:00.58 | bardzusny | unless you're adventureous :) |
| 15:01.10 | Harzilein | bardzusny: well, except an interest in helping testing become a good next release |
| 15:01.11 | me-1 | my source list please . is it OK..?? http://paste.debian.net/168762/ |
| 15:01.18 | somiaj | michaelh: debian spends a lot of time testing the upgrade process and for the most part upgrading from one stable version to the next is fairly painless. (lenny->squeeze was probabaly the trickiest I've seen and if you followed the instructions it went with out to much trouble, it was just a multiple step processes) |
| 15:01.27 | somiaj | michaelh: but you only have to upgrade once every 2-3 years |
| 15:01.39 | themill | me-1: looks fine if you're running squeeze -- what makes you say there's a problem? |
| 15:01.40 | Harzilein | bardzusny: i find testing "interesting" enough for my pastime, but would not like the added stress at work |
| 15:01.41 | karlpinc | michaelh: Especially because you'll be wanting security support. |
| 15:01.54 | michaelh | the reason i'm asking is that previously I was running non lts ubuntu, isnt that based on sid? |
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| 15:02.20 | michaelh | i never had any breakage in ubuntu that wasn't caused by major version upgrade |
| 15:02.28 | somiaj | michaelh: they do their own stablization/testing phase, but I don't think they spend nearly the time debian dose to ensure it works in most situations. |
| 15:02.46 | me-1 | themill, i just installed it on new computer wanted to make sure if my repos are fine |
| 15:03.17 | michaelh | did sid break for everyone with this dependency issue, or is it just my hardware? |
| 15:03.45 | bardzusny | michaelh: today when I was upgrading packages ifupdown was broken |
| 15:03.48 | themill | michaelh: upgrading is always going to be an amount of trauma. If you upgrade from (old)stable release to stable release then you are following a tested path with a set of release notes to follow. If you are doing this with testing, then YOU are the person who is doing the testing (hence the name) to find the bugs to write the upgrade notes for everyone else. It sounds like you don't want to be doing that. |
| 15:03.56 | somiaj | michaelh: the only thing you have to realize about upgrading one debian version to the next stable is make sure you read the release guide first. It will explain the steps/issues you need to be careful of. yes just blindy dist-upgrading could cause issues, following the instructions won't. |
| 15:04.56 | michaelh | where are these upgrade notes? |
| 15:05.01 | Harzilein | themill: thanks, i have waited for someone to put it that clearly |
| 15:05.05 | michaelh | err instructions? |
| 15:05.22 | karlpinc | michaelh: They're always linked from the debian home page. |
| 15:05.26 | themill | dpkg: tell michaelh about lenny->squeeze |
| 15:05.45 | somiaj | michaelh: the release notes come once stable is released, and you have a year of oldstable support. So if you wait around for a few months you can get better results. |
| 15:05.54 | Harzilein | michaelh: i recommend you familiarize yourself with testing on a home system and use stable + backports on your production system. |
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| 15:06.17 | themill | michaelh: the release notes are part of the process of making a new release; what dpkg said is a pointer to the information for lenny->squeeze |
| 15:06.25 | karlpinc | is not thrilled they're called "release notes" when "upgrade instructions" are the more significant part of them. Oh well. |
| 15:06.26 | somiaj | michaelh: i.e. you have a large time frame to upgrade your system so you can fully read/research the processes before doing it (you could even make an image of your VPS and try it before you do it on the production machine) |
| 15:07.02 | Harzilein | karlpinc: if they would name them upgrade instructions people would ask for the missing release notes ;) |
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| 15:07.41 | michaelh | thank you for explaining to me why I should use stable |
| 15:07.44 | Harzilein | karlpinc: i think it's part of the whole software release management ritual ;) |
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| 15:08.03 | bardzusny | michaelh: sid is more interesting |
| 15:08.18 | michaelh | i can see that lol :) |
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| 15:08.40 | michaelh | I have a computer at home that I want to run sid on |
| 15:09.00 | michaelh | What do I have to do to install it with the dependency issue? |
| 15:09.00 | nkuttler | michaelh: don't. really. not worth the trouble unless you develop |
| 15:09.07 | somiaj | I actually find sid to have a different set of problems then testing. Though I run sid on my desktop because I'm a massocist |
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| 15:09.23 | themill | michaelh: you were given that information earlier, btw |
| 15:09.30 | nkuttler | i used to run sid, but nowadadys i run testing and just pull sid packages when really necessary |
| 15:09.34 | karlpinc | Harzilein: It's probably historical, from the mindset that "all that's needed to upgrade is a dist-upgrade" so "upgrade instructions" are not needed. Let's just make up a new term and standardize on that! ;-) |
| 15:09.54 | somiaj | michaelh: yea install stable base system (do not use the testing/unstable installer). Then dist-upgrade, or use debootstrap from a live system and manually configure the install (I use the second myself) |
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| 15:10.20 | nkuttler | michaelh: i strongly suggest to install all packages you want/need before upgrading |
| 15:10.26 | somiaj | nkuttler: besdies for the occasionaly bad package, I like sid gets upgrades/fixes faster than testing. |
| 15:10.33 | bardzusny | somiaj: why not use testing installer? |
| 15:10.50 | nkuttler | somiaj: well, yeah, but i'm kinda doing serious work on those boxes :) |
| 15:10.52 | karlpinc | bardzusny: Because it's under development and being tested. |
| 15:10.53 | somiaj | bardzusny: because that installer is to test the new features of the debian-installer and the installer itself could be buggy. |
| 15:11.29 | bardzusny | karlping, somiaj: guess that's the right answer |
| 15:11.36 | bardzusny | karlpinc* |
| 15:11.51 | bardzusny | "I just never had problems with it" :p |
| 15:12.02 | Aaron_- | I just cloned my IDE HDD to a scsi one. Now Debian won't boot. From what I have read around this is because scsi and ide drives are refered to as different things in the /dev directory, and is thus likely why grub won't boot it. How do I fix this? |
| 15:12.54 | bardzusny | run livecd, chroot, update-grub |
| 15:13.15 | somiaj | Aaron_-: you may have to update your /etc/fstab to point things at the rigt partitions. |
| 15:13.40 | somiaj | (unsure if you need to upgrade your initramfs so your kenrel has the modules to read teh root file system as well) |
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| 15:13.58 | bardzusny | somiaj: good points |
| 15:14.20 | Aaron_- | somiaj: I don't know how to upgrade your initramfs so your kenrel |
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| 15:14.48 | bardzusny | update-initramfs -u |
| 15:14.50 | somiaj | Aaron_-: from the chroot bardzusny suggested you can just reinstall your kernel and let dpkg do it for you. |
| 15:14.53 | ChrisH | :1 |
| 15:14.53 | thewanderer1 | Aaron_-: at which stage *exactly* does the boot fail? |
| 15:15.33 | Aaron_- | I get a Grub Rescue prompt tellign me device not found. |
| 15:15.44 | michaelh | thank you guys for all your help :) |
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| 15:16.21 | michaelh | one quick question, did all the ftp mirrors go down or something? |
| 15:16.33 | bardzusny | michaelh: 100% they didn't |
| 15:16.37 | Aaron_- | So I think all I need to do it tell it somewhere that its not looking for an IDE drive anymore. |
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| 15:17.06 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: and change UUID's etc. |
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| 15:17.19 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: I have NO idea how to do any of that. |
| 15:17.42 | Aaron_- | I have however cloned from one IDE to another and everythign has worked fine. |
| 15:18.47 | Aaron_- | In any event, I have booted a live cd if someone would be kind enough to assist me. |
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| 15:19.51 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: one after one, first mount main ("/") partition from your scsi somewhere |
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| 15:21.03 | dioz | does debian work with intel gma 3600? |
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| 15:21.23 | somiaj | dioz: I'd check the wiki |
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| 15:21.46 | dioz | i already know it doesn't |
| 15:21.59 | dioz | i was just trying to spark a conversation about the intel media accelerator |
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| 15:22.33 | jelly | dioz: try #debian-offtopic for a conversation |
| 15:22.48 | dioz | no |
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| 15:23.26 | immotus_ | are there any debian squeeze packages for net-snmp that are at at least v5.5? |
| 15:23.33 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Mounted. |
| 15:24.05 | immotus_ | apparently Squeeze ships with v5.4 by default, and lm-sensors requires v5.5 or higher to play nicely with it |
| 15:24.06 | jelly | immotus_: /msg judd versions snmpd |
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| 15:24.23 | bardzusny | ok. if /boot/ is on separate partition, mount it too (in appropriate place) |
| 15:24.46 | immotus_ | jelly: that's a neat trick :^) |
| 15:24.57 | jelly | it is, isn't it |
| 15:24.58 | bardzusny | after that: "mount --bind /dev/ /mnt/dev/" (assuming you mounted "/" to /mnt/) |
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| 15:25.01 | khaktoos | Justin Bieber sucks and whoever likes it is either a slut or a faggot. |
| 15:25.07 | bardzusny | the same for /sys/ and /proc/, just to be sure |
| 15:25.15 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: No, boot is not on a seperate partition |
| 15:25.17 | bardzusny | khaktoos: we know, we know |
| 15:25.34 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: everythign is on the one partition. |
| 15:25.44 | phorce1 | bardzusny: please don't feed the trolls |
| 15:26.03 | bardzusny | phorcel: that's just a little snack... :) |
| 15:26.12 | khaktoos | lol |
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| 15:26.38 | jelly | phorce1: trolls are just attention sluts |
| 15:26.48 | gh0stn0te | hi! |
| 15:26.48 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: after that, "chroot /mnt/" |
| 15:26.53 | bardzusny | update-initramfs -u |
| 15:26.56 | bardzusny | update-grub |
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| 15:27.28 | bardzusny | you can also replace UUID's in /etc/fstab to those reported by "blkid" command |
| 15:27.32 | somiaj | may want to update your /etc/fstab first before doing that Aaron_- just to ensure everything is pointing at the right partition/UUID's |
| 15:27.42 | bardzusny | and that /should/ be it :) |
| 15:28.07 | bardzusny | somiaj: hmm, do these commands read fstab in any way? |
| 15:28.25 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Going to try all this. |
| 15:28.31 | somiaj | bardzusny: probabaly not, but he'll need to udate it anyways to boot so why not be safe. |
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| 15:29.27 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Failed to run command chroot, No such file or directory |
| 15:29.29 | somiaj | he may also need to grub-install /dev/foo to make sure the grub was correctly insatlled on his new disk |
| 15:30.12 | bardzusny | somiaj: if it's one partition (only root), it shouldn't be needed |
| 15:30.24 | bardzusny | but better to do it, yeah |
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| 15:30.49 | somiaj | well he just mirrored it over from the last install, might as well reinstall it to be safe |
| 15:31.00 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: So, what now, I can't even run the first command you gave me. |
| 15:31.21 | bardzusny | what livecd do you use? |
| 15:31.44 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Debian |
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| 15:32.11 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Its a debian install, so I used a debian live cd. |
| 15:32.20 | phorce1 | LABEL for the win. Much easier to read than UUID's |
| 15:32.24 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: are you running as root? |
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| 15:32.43 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Yes. I loaded a root prompt |
| 15:32.45 | N00bKulas27 | hello |
| 15:33.05 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: Debian should have chroot installed by default... |
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| 15:33.29 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Well, I can try it again.. But... that seems rather pointless.. |
| 15:34.15 | somiaj | Aaron_-: you are using the debian-installer cd (not a live cd) right? Did you answer the first few questions about langauge and such from the installer? |
| 15:34.25 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Attempted 5 more times, same responce each time. |
| 15:34.27 | bardzusny | if /usr/sbin/chroot doesn't work then yes, it's kinda pointless... |
| 15:34.30 | Aaron_- | Some_Person: No I am using a liove cd. |
| 15:34.49 | somiaj | Aaron_-: which live cd? Debian makes multiple |
| 15:34.57 | Aaron_- | Sorry, that was to somiaj |
| 15:34.58 | somiaj | and I cannot think of one that didn't include chroot |
| 15:35.14 | somiaj | well get your internet up, and apt-get install chroot |
| 15:35.16 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Will try /usr/bin/chroot |
| 15:36.18 | somiaj | coreutils: /usr/sbin/chroot -- its part of the coreutils package. It should be there. Again what debian live cd are you using? |
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| 15:37.19 | Aaron_- | ok, you all ready for this. apt-get install chroot Unable to locate package chroot |
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| 15:37.39 | somiaj | yea its in the coreutils package |
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| 15:37.40 | somiaj | install that |
| 15:37.42 | bardzusny | apt-get install coreutils? |
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| 15:38.04 | khaktoos | hey ya guys ! clap for me! I haven't pay shit for my copy of Linux and applications ! |
| 15:38.04 | bardzusny | you can also try "/mnt/usr/sbin/chroot /mnt", assuming you mounted rootfs to /mnt/ |
| 15:38.08 | bardzusny | :p |
| 15:38.47 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Coreutils is already the newest version. This has been my endless battle with linux for the last several days. |
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| 15:39.11 | somiaj | Aaron_-: ls -l /usr/sbin/chroot |
| 15:39.22 | econdudeawesome | Howdy all. Anyone know of a repo that keeps the most updated scipy for squeexe? |
| 15:39.35 | khaktoos | Aaron_-, there's nothing you can do with that, format your HDD and install a clean copy of Debian. |
| 15:39.53 | bardzusny | don't listen to khaktoos |
| 15:39.58 | khaktoos | econdudeawesome, there's no such shit as that. |
| 15:40.13 | bardzusny | I wish I had legs so I could kick |
| 15:40.15 | khaktoos | bardzusny, how you dare?! |
| 15:40.20 | khaktoos | by the way |
| 15:40.32 | khaktoos | is there a stable Gnome 3 package for Debian yet? |
| 15:40.48 | econdudeawesome | khaktoos: what do you mean |
| 15:40.50 | somiaj | khaktoos: no, gnome3 won't be made for squeeze |
| 15:41.12 | somiaj | you are welcoem to try to backport/install it yourself, but that is not supported |
| 15:41.34 | Aaron_- | OKay, I am a lil lost, several prople trying to help me. Someone asked me to ls a dir, and chroot is there. |
| 15:41.42 | bardzusny | econdudeawesome: there is newest version in debian repos |
| 15:41.46 | khaktoos | well, thanks |
| 15:42.23 | econdudeawesome | bardzusny: yes, but for wheezey. How would I upgrade that package on squeeze then> |
| 15:42.29 | khaktoos | chroot: /usr/sbin/chroot /usr/share/man/man8/chroot.8.gz /usr/share/man/man2/chroot.2.gz |
| 15:42.32 | Guest26965 | econdudeawesome: Backporting it is a bit of work as you have to backport python[3]-numpy and python[3]-nose as well (cf. "/msg judd checkbackport python-scipy"). I would therefore recommend to work in a virtualenv and install scipy with pip. |
| 15:42.32 | somiaj | Aaron_-: /usr/sbin/chroot /mnt (that work -- replace /mnt with wherever you mounted things) |
| 15:42.39 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: So exactly what do you need me to do now? |
| 15:42.44 | Harzilein | econdudeawesome: if you regularly want to have bleeding edge stuff for developing in a scripting language, you should consider something like virtualenv for python |
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| 15:43.09 | khaktoos | Aaron_-, try "whereis chroot" that's all the shit you can do about it |
| 15:43.20 | econdudeawesome | Harzilein: Guest26965: this is the first I've heard of virtualenv. What is that? |
| 15:43.23 | Harzilein | econdudeawesome: it becomes harder to maintain a production system with that though |
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| 15:43.42 | khaktoos | econdudeawesome, are you a Justin Bieber fan?! |
| 15:44.06 | econdudeawesome | Ah, it's just a package. khaktoos no. Sorry to disappoint. |
| 15:44.06 | Aaron_- | I think the problem is I mounted the root FS to /mnt/1 Entering the command /use/sbin/chroot /mnt/1 worked |
| 15:44.07 | khaktoos | econdudeawesome, so good ! fuck that faggot |
| 15:44.32 | Harzilein | econdudeawesome: it's a bunch of shell wrappers for calling the python interpreter and associated utilities that allows you to have per project versions of python and your dependencies |
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| 15:44.50 | khaktoos | Aaron_-, you did wrong... but nothing to worry. shit happens. |
| 15:44.59 | somiaj | Aaron_-: ok now page up and follow the instructions we gave you for modifying /etc/fstab and grub (inside the chroot) |
| 15:44.59 | Harzilein | econdudeawesome: you can then get those python and scipy versions from the upstream |
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| 15:45.13 | babilen | econdudeawesome: It is a virtual environment for python development. See http://www.virtualenv.org/en/latest/index.html for an overview. I typically use it with http://www.doughellmann.com/projects/virtualenvwrapper/ and install packages from PyPi with pip (http://www.pip-installer.org/en/latest/index.html) |
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| 15:45.18 | econdudeawesome | Harzilein: thanks. I think pip should work right? |
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| 15:45.37 | Aaron_- | somiaj: I have been given 100 different directions, so I am going to ask you to repost them, so I know what directions we are talking about. |
| 15:45.37 | hke | hi folks. package a installed packages c,d,e. i want to purge a but keep the others. how do i do that? |
| 15:45.41 | econdudeawesome | babilen: thanks. I appreciate it. I'm still a bit of a Debian newb (switched over from *buntu) |
| 15:46.04 | Harzilein | econdudeawesome: virtualenv et al should not be used if you just want to use a certain application, if you don't want to develop in python i would recommend against using it |
| 15:46.05 | somiaj | Aaron_-: the ones bardzusny gave you |
| 15:46.13 | Aaron_- | somiaj: And what do you mean, in the chroot? |
| 15:46.22 | khaktoos | somiaj, (and others), I'm tired of the way my Debian looks. if I can't use a stable Gnome 3, is there any alternate shit to make it look better? like compiz or something? |
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| 15:46.29 | babilen | econdudeawesome: It does, yes. You can install virtualenv and virtualenvwrapper from Debian packages, but using them is rather supported in #python -- Note that this is by no means Debian specific, but rather common Python development practice. |
| 15:46.46 | econdudeawesome | babilen: fair enough |
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| 15:47.08 | somiaj | Aaron_-: modify /etc/fstab first, update-initramfs -u, update-grub, grub-install /dev/foo -- where /dev/foo is the device of your new drive |
| 15:47.21 | khaktoos | bardzusny, where did you go fella? |
| 15:47.33 | somiaj | khaktoos: debian provides you lots of choices, you have not only all four major DE's you have at least 10 WM's you can choose from |
| 15:47.39 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: when you typed /usr/sbin/chroot /mnt/1, you got a chroot prompt |
| 15:47.40 | econdudeawesome | Harzilein: I'm a scientific programmer, wanting the most recent (within reason) scipy/numpy. I've used it a lot on *buntu, but noticed in the switch over that older packages are used in Debian. Would using pip to reinstall give me the most recent ones? |
| 15:47.44 | bardzusny | do everything here |
| 15:47.52 | somiaj | khaktoos: I use fvwm myself, but openbox, xfce, lxde, kde, fluxbox, etc |
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| 15:48.04 | babilen | econdudeawesome: I personally also like to keep my virtualenvs in ~/.virtualenvs/ but that (WORKON_HOME), but that is merely my personal taste. |
| 15:48.10 | phorce1 | Aaron_-: here in IRC you should be able to do /lastlog bardzusny to see everything s/he has posted without all the rest mixed in |
| 15:48.24 | khaktoos | somiaj, if WM stands for Window Manager, what DE does?! |
| 15:48.32 | somiaj | khaktoos: desktop enviorment |
| 15:48.37 | Aaron_- | Update by fstab how? |
| 15:48.55 | somiaj | khaktoos: gnome is a DE (since it contains a WM metacity + a lot of other applications along with it, such as pannels, filemanagers, applets, etc) |
| 15:49.12 | Harzilein | econdudeawesome: you should not use pip without virtualenv. i think lot of people pick up using sudo $someinstaller from their ubuntu peers. |
| 15:49.14 | khaktoos | somiaj, thanks fella |
| 15:49.34 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: you need to replace UUID's in /etc/fstab with those reported by blkid (for your scsi drive) |
| 15:49.40 | babilen | econdudeawesome: pip pulls packages directly from PyPi (i.e. http://pypi.python.org/pypi) which gives you the newest versions and is an installation mechanism that is completely orthogonal to Debian's package management. (Hence the need to seperate it into "virtual environments" in order to prevent inconsistencies/version clashes/...) |
| 15:49.43 | Harzilein | econdudeawesome: you can use pip with your home directory but you could still benefit from virtualenv |
| 15:49.54 | econdudeawesome | babilen: ok |
| 15:49.56 | econdudeawesome | Harzilein: ok |
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| 15:50.00 | econdudeawesome | I'll work on it |
| 15:50.01 | econdudeawesome | thanks! |
| 15:50.15 | babilen | econdudeawesome: And yes, you shouldn't use pip outside of a virtual environment. |
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| 15:50.28 | khaktoos | econdudeawesome, are you making fun of the channel?! |
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| 15:50.47 | econdudeawesome | khaktoos: no, I'll leave that job to you |
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| 15:51.08 | khaktoos | econdudeawesome, thanks, you'd find the right guy |
| 15:51.46 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: The issue is now that I am in chroot, I cant access the drives.... So I can't get the uuids. |
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| 15:52.15 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: have you mounted /dev/, /sys/, /proc/ like I told you? |
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| 15:52.25 | bardzusny | "mount --bind /dev/ /mnt/1/dev/" etc. |
| 15:52.28 | Na_Klar | slightly debian related: what does one use for command-line audio re-encoding/resampling for audio material with more than 2 (even more than 8) channels? Since ffmpeg is not designed for that .. |
| 15:52.29 | babilen | khaktoos: It would be appreciated if you could refrain from insulting statements or off-topic channel in this channel. Thank you. |
| 15:52.50 | Na_Klar | * 8) = 8 ) |
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| 15:52.59 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: I am a lil lost. I honestly don't know that much about linux. |
| 15:53.26 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: wait, I will just open a new console,, DUH!\ |
| 15:53.35 | bardzusny | :p |
| 15:53.48 | bardzusny | yeah, you can't run those from inside chroot |
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| 15:53.53 | khaktoos | I installed a package named "lsb" which downloaded 16mbs and used that space on my hard drive, but when I want to remove that, only 16kbs will be removed. what's the point?! |
| 15:54.25 | melik | hello guys can anyone help me with inodes |
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| 15:54.49 | melik | healthy idicators for inode sizes usually consist of binaries or powers of 2 correct? |
| 15:55.00 | khaktoos | I installed a package named "lsb" which downloaded 16mbs and used that space on my hard drive, but when I want to remove that, only 16kbs will be removed. what's the point?! |
| 15:55.13 | melik | one of my servers is experiencing higher iowaits, and i noticed the inode size was 1023; can this be a contributing factor? |
| 15:55.30 | khaktoos | melik, your servers suck |
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| 15:55.48 | melik | khaktoos, why? |
| 15:56.08 | khaktoos | cause the've got problems with inodes |
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| 15:56.23 | melik | khaktoos, :[ |
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| 15:57.55 | babilen | khaktoos: I asked you to refrain from insulting comments/statements - You have been quieted and I would appreciate it if you could make sure to accept common rules of courtesy in the future. |
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| 15:59.12 | Aaron_- | OKay. got the update-initram... command working, however update-grub @ /usr/sbin/grub-probe: errer: cannot find device for / (is /dev mounted?).\ |
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| 16:01.25 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Ant ideas? Please.. This has been my 3 day nightmare. It looks like it is so close to being finished... |
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| 16:04.22 | project2501a | hey guys. is there a guide on how to setup SGE on Debian, the debian way? google does not come up with much. i tried looking for an entry in the wiki as well, but no dice. clue, please? |
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| 16:04.34 | Aaron_- | somiaj: Can you assist me? got the update-initram... command working, however update-grub @ /usr/sbin/grub-probe: errer: cannot find device for / (is /dev mounted?). |
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| 16:05.28 | tremon | Aaron_-: so, is /dev mounted? Inside the chroot? |
| 16:05.51 | Aaron_- | tremon: I have No idea. how do I find that out? |
| 16:06.16 | Jim1 | Anybody here heard of the Zeitgeist spyware ? Check your filesystem for "zeitgeist" - it's bad news ! |
| 16:06.25 | tremon | Aaron_-: cat /proc/mounts |
| 16:06.39 | tremon | Jim1: try #gnome instead |
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| 16:07.29 | Harzilein | .oO( is this "troll a foss project monday" or something? ) |
| 16:07.32 | Aaron_- | cat: /proc/mounts: no such file or directory. I may note I am in a chroot.. Don't know if that matters |
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| 16:07.41 | tremon | Harzilein: looks like it :) |
| 16:07.53 | tremon | but even trolls get lost, apparently |
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| 16:08.22 | tremon | Aaron_-: you need to mount /proc first |
| 16:08.50 | Aaron_- | tremon: How do I do that? |
| 16:09.01 | bardzusny | in your non-chroot shell |
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| 16:09.10 | bardzusny | "mount --bind /proc /mnt/1/proc" |
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| 16:09.26 | bardzusny | sorry, dinner |
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| 16:10.09 | Aaron_- | OKay, now what am I looking for here, after the ch command? I don't wanna type it al out. |
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| 16:11.36 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: open new terminal, login as root, type these three commands: |
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| 16:11.39 | fir31ight | this is really starting to bug me. Why is my mouse double clicking! I have tried other mice, other usb ports, WTF. Anyone with ideas? Running squeeze |
| 16:11.44 | bardzusny | "mount --bind /dev/ /mnt/1/dev/" |
| 16:11.49 | bardzusny | "mount --bind /proc/ /mnt/1/proc/" |
| 16:11.56 | bardzusny | "mount --bind /sys/ /mnt/1/sys/" |
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| 16:12.10 | bardzusny | then, back in the terminal that you typed "chroot" in originally |
| 16:12.20 | bardzusny | run update-grub |
| 16:12.31 | fir31ight | perhaps someone can help with debugging the issue? |
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| 16:13.15 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Thats it, it should work now? Just reboot? |
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| 16:13.28 | bardzusny | if you did update-initramfs -u as well |
| 16:13.38 | bardzusny | and changes UUID in /etc/fstab |
| 16:13.42 | bardzusny | changed* |
| 16:13.47 | bardzusny | well...it /should/ :) |
| 16:13.58 | Aaron_- | The UUID already matched :/ I will boot and see what hapens. |
| 16:14.44 | bardzusny | ok, please report how it goes |
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| 16:15.00 | Aaron_- | I will.. |
| 16:15.05 | Aaron_- | Still at grub rescue |
| 16:15.11 | Aaron_- | error: no such dick |
| 16:15.15 | Aaron_- | disk, sorry |
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| 16:16.05 | bardzusny | does it at least load grub menu? |
| 16:16.12 | Aaron_- | Want to walk me through checking the uuid's make sure I did it right? |
| 16:16.22 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: no. It doesn't load anything. |
| 16:16.46 | tremon | fir31ight: iirc, you can use xev to see the raw device events. I can't tell you how to use it though, never used it myself |
| 16:16.47 | Aaron_- | Just Says Welcome to grub! |Error no such disk |
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| 16:17.01 | bardzusny | it isn't fstab |
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| 16:17.50 | fir31ight | tremon: i'll take a look. thanks. |
| 16:18.14 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: is the system installed on first partition of this disk? |
| 16:18.14 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Then what is wrong? I will say the same as I said saturday when I was trying to get this to work. I don't need a bootloader. This box runs Linux, only linux, and will always only run linux. ANYTHING.. ANYTHING to boot this box |
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| 16:18.27 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Yes. |
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| 16:19.35 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Back to a live cd. |
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| 16:20.09 | Aaron_- | Any chance I can convince anyone (If its possible) to ssh into the box and just fucxking fix it? I am so sick and tired of this linux shit\ |
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| 16:20.45 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: what does "ls" in grub rescue prompt say |
| 16:21.01 | Aaron_- | let me get back there. |
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| 16:21.30 | tremon | Aaron_-: if it's failing at grub rescue, that implies that grub can't find /boot. Is /boot a separate partition on this machine? |
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| 16:21.59 | zizban | what file do I modify to get rpcbind to start in insecure mode? |
| 16:22.00 | Aaron_- | tremon: no everything but swap is on the one parttion |
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| 16:22.13 | zizban | I've tried /etc/init.d/rpcbind |
| 16:22.22 | zizban | /etc/default/rpcbind |
| 16:22.31 | zizban | and /etc/rpcbind.conf |
| 16:22.34 | zizban | nothing works |
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| 16:23.44 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: (hd0) (hd0,msdos6) (hd0,msdos5) (hd0,msdos1) |
| 16:24.15 | tremon | zizban: /etc/default/rpcbind |
| 16:24.23 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: so there are three partitions... |
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| 16:24.51 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Yes. the first is the root. The second is a "backup" partition, I can delete it, and the 3rd is swap.\ |
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| 16:25.32 | zizban | OK, thanks |
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| 16:26.48 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: try these commands in grub rescue prompt |
| 16:26.58 | bardzusny | set prefix=(hd0,msdos1)/boot/grub |
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| 16:27.19 | bardzusny | set root=(hd0,msdos1) |
| 16:27.31 | g3orge | is there anything like gnome-tweak-tool available for debian? |
| 16:27.42 | bardzusny | (does this work at all?) |
| 16:28.01 | bardzusny | g3orge: apt-get install gnome-tweak-tool |
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| 16:28.14 | craigevil | ,versions gnome-tweak-tool |
| 16:28.15 | judd | Package: gnome-tweak-tool on i386 -- sid: 3.2.2-3; wheezy: 3.2.2-3 |
| 16:28.16 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Well, I don't get any feedback. No errors, but no "OKay, it worked" either |
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| 16:28.32 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: I think that means "ok" |
| 16:28.36 | bardzusny | sec |
| 16:28.52 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: k |
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| 16:29.12 | g3orge | bardzusny: nothing gets returned. I tried. |
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| 16:29.55 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: now try these two (I'm not which one is needed, so do both) |
| 16:29.57 | bardzusny | insmod /boot/grub/linux.mod |
| 16:30.05 | bardzusny | insmod /boot/grub/ext2.mod |
| 16:30.21 | bardzusny | (assuming you have ext2/ext3/ext4 on your scsi disk) |
| 16:30.33 | bardzusny | errors? |
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| 16:30.40 | tremon | you might need to do "insmod normal" first |
| 16:30.49 | Aaron_- | the FS is ext3. do I replace ext2 with ext3? |
| 16:31.21 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: use ext2 |
| 16:31.29 | bardzusny | and listen to tremon, I never did such operation |
| 16:32.00 | Aaron_- | The first one went fine, the second one "ext2.mod is already loaded" |
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| 16:32.22 | bardzusny | that's ok |
| 16:32.24 | bardzusny | now the kicker |
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| 16:32.56 | Aaron_- | OKay, I kicked it. The box is on the floor. Now what? lol Sorry, needed a bit of hunour. |
| 16:32.59 | bardzusny | do you remember your kernel version? |
| 16:33.03 | bardzusny | :) |
| 16:33.07 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: no. |
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| 16:33.44 | bardzusny | you can boot livecd again and check that, anyway it should go similar to this: |
| 16:33.47 | tremon | grub should have tab-completion in normal mode (maybe also in rescue), otherwise ls may help |
| 16:34.07 | bardzusny | oh yes, if grub can ls directories then you're all set |
| 16:34.08 | Aaron_- | tremon: Somewhere I did read it does have tab completion.. |
| 16:34.23 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: So, enough suspence. What do I do? |
| 16:34.25 | bardzusny | I'm not sure of the exact command though "ls /"? |
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| 16:34.44 | tremon | since it's on one partition, "ls /boot" |
| 16:34.49 | Aaron_- | shows me all the directories |
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| 16:35.08 | bardzusny | linux /vmlinuz-3.2.0-2-686-pae root=/dev/sda1 |
| 16:35.35 | bardzusny | initrd /initrd.img-3.2.0-2-686-pae |
| 16:35.39 | bardzusny | boot |
| 16:35.43 | bardzusny | (yes, type boot) |
| 16:35.49 | bardzusny | and that /should/ boot your system |
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| 16:36.08 | ubsafder | the lastest kernel on wheezy lost my network connection it is runing a virtualbox guest |
| 16:36.16 | bardzusny | (I think you may need /boot before these) |
| 16:36.22 | bardzusny | /boot/vmlinuz...and so |
| 16:36.22 | Aaron_- | Do I not need to know the version of my kernel? |
| 16:36.25 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Hello. Can someone either explain or recommend some articles that describe the flow/"workflow"/high level technical details of apt? How it maintains it's datebases, how itsearches repositories, how it resolves conflicts "etc"? |
| 16:36.26 | ubsafder | ifconfig sends nothing back |
| 16:36.35 | Aaron_- | yes, okay, let me try that |
| 16:36.50 | cdown | Hi -- I'm trying to install sid, and at installing base packages I get "netbase breaks ifupdown and is installed, leaving unconfigured" and the installer refuses to continue. What should I do? |
| 16:36.58 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: you can try just "vmlinuz", but I'm not sure these exist in Debian (I don't have them) |
| 16:37.15 | bardzusny | cdown: install testing, dist-upgrade |
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| 16:37.26 | cdown | bardzusny: Surely it shouldn't be broken like this? |
| 16:37.46 | bardzusny | cdown: it's unstable, so it shouldn't, but it has every right to :) |
| 16:37.54 | cdown | ;-) |
| 16:38.00 | bardzusny | I had similar problem with my fresh installation just a couple of days ago |
| 16:38.03 | bardzusny | (different package) |
| 16:38.06 | cdown | libept? |
| 16:38.11 | bardzusny | yes :) |
| 16:38.12 | cdown | I had that too |
| 16:38.17 | cdown | Just a stream of problems :-D |
| 16:38.22 | bardzusny | so wait a few hours before the problem is fixed |
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| 16:38.27 | bardzusny | or wheezy->dist-upgrade |
| 16:38.33 | cdown | well the libept problem was for over 1 month |
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| 16:38.43 | bardzusny | oops |
| 16:39.01 | bardzusny | s/hours/weeks |
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| 16:39.04 | cdown | :-D |
| 16:39.05 | bardzusny | :-P |
| 16:39.15 | cdown | I guess I will do that then. Thanks. |
| 16:39.18 | bardzusny | libept was part of ongoing transition |
| 16:39.25 | bardzusny | this seems like regular broken dependency |
| 16:39.34 | bardzusny | should be fixed way faster |
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| 16:39.36 | cdown | Strange they wouldn't check it before 6.0.5 though |
| 16:39.41 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: All kinda stuff on the screen But it froze. |
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| 16:39.56 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: error message? |
| 16:40.29 | ubsafder | i am running 3.2.0-2 . dmesg shows my network card eth0 but nothing under /sbin/ifconfig |
| 16:40.51 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: The last was /bin/sh: can't access tty; job controll turned off @ then a few more lines, after pressing enter I have a (initramfs) prompt |
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| 16:41.03 | ubsafder | any advice on troubleshooting network issues ? |
| 16:41.18 | cdown | ubsafder: Is it actually up? |
| 16:41.25 | cdown | What does `ip a' show? |
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| 16:41.46 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: can you mount your disk in initramfs prompt? |
| 16:41.55 | ubsafder | i upgraded to lastest kernel and i have no more netwok |
| 16:42.07 | Aaron_- | Few other errors Allot of mounting, so such file or directory. |
| 16:42.23 | bardzusny | /dev/sda1 - no such file or directory? |
| 16:43.35 | ubsafder | cdown: the network card is registered but ifconfig does n't show anything |
| 16:44.13 | bardzusny | ubsafder: what card is it? |
| 16:44.37 | ubsafder | Carte 1 : |
| 16:44.38 | ubsafder | PCnet-FAST III (Pont avec l'interface eth0 ) |
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| 16:45.11 | ubsafder | the machine is a guest under virtualbox |
| 16:45.24 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Sorry, customer. Things like mounting /dev on /root/dev failed |
| 16:45.40 | Aaron_- | mounting sys on /root/sys failed |
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| 16:46.44 | bardzusny | ubsafder: in VM settings you can change emulated network card to different model, it's a workaround |
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| 16:48.01 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: what kernel did you use? /boot/vmlinuz or /boot/vmlinuz-3.999-something? |
| 16:48.09 | ubsafder | bardzusny:I tried all virtual box cards without success |
| 16:48.25 | Aaron_- | it was /boot/vmlinuz-3.999-something? |
| 16:49.05 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: that's just an example, did you type full filename here? or just /boot/vmlinuz? |
| 16:49.06 | Aaron_- | Am I gonna need to be back at the grub rescue prompt? |
| 16:49.37 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: while in initramfs, try to mount hard drive somewhere |
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| 16:51.43 | bardzusny | the kernel is my first idea, second is that you used wrong "root=" argument (/dev/sda1 was just an example, are you sure it was right?) |
| 16:51.51 | Aaron_- | I can't seem to find them. IN the dev directory, it does by too fast, and I don't know the command to pause it. And it doesn't appear to be s* anything or hd* anything |
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| 16:52.14 | bardzusny | ls | grep sd |
| 16:52.16 | bardzusny | ls | grep hd |
| 16:52.27 | ubsafder | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:52.50 | bardzusny | ubsafder: is it sid? |
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| 16:53.38 | bardzusny | ubsafder: try these |
| 16:53.43 | bardzusny | "ifconfig eth0 up" |
| 16:53.46 | bardzusny | "dhclient eth0" |
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| 16:54.09 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: I have ls /dev/a* and every letter of the alphabet, and I can't find the drives. I have 2 hours left to solve this, or I don't have a job anymore. |
| 16:54.10 | bardzusny | especially if it's sid, because ifupdown package is broken here right now, you may have accidentally deleted it |
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| 16:55.06 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: what command did you use on livecd to mount this drive? |
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| 16:55.25 | bardzusny | (that's actually my third idea - lacking scsi driver in initrd.gz) |
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| 16:55.36 | ubsafder | bardzusny "dhclient eth0" worked !!! |
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| 16:55.37 | Aaron_- | mount /dev/<partition> /mnt/1 |
| 16:55.51 | Aaron_- | Howevefr <partition> doesn't exist here |
| 16:56.08 | ubsafder | where will i find what went wrong while booting |
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| 16:57.06 | bardzusny | ubsafder: let me guess, you have no "ifup" and "ifdown" commands |
| 16:57.06 | bardzusny | ? |
| 16:57.11 | bardzusny | and you have debian sid? |
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| 16:58.01 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Hello. Can someone either explain or recommend some articles that describe the flow/"workflow"/high level technical details of apt? How it maintains it's datebases, how itsearches repositories, how it resolves conflicts "etc"? |
| 16:59.14 | ubsafder | bardzusny: right runing wheezy no ifup ifdown |
| 16:59.40 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: SO whats the next step? Si there not a disk that fixes this for you, automatically?\ |
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| 17:00.50 | craigevil | MouseTheLuckyDog, look at the wiki |
| 17:01.01 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: if there are no disks that were there on livecd, it's probably missing module for scsi |
| 17:01.38 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: I mounted it fine on live. I am not on live now. |
| 17:01.54 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Did you need me to boot into a love cd again? |
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| 17:02.28 | bardzusny | it will probably be needed, yep |
| 17:02.31 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Is it possible that the OS itself, that was cloned from an IDE has no SCSI modules installed? And can we fix this? |
| 17:02.47 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Sorry I am getting frantic, my boss just oput my job on the line. |
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| 17:03.10 | bardzusny | all I can think of is 1) boot into livecd again 2) mount scsi drive 3) check which modules are loaded 4) copy scsi modules into initrd |
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| 17:03.28 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: okay, booting live. |
| 17:03.42 | bardzusny | modyfing initrd by hand sucks, there should be nicer ways to add modules to it |
| 17:03.48 | bardzusny | (any ideas anyone?) |
| 17:04.12 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: SO I can do this fast, when I boot into live, I am mounting the root parttion on the hard drive? Anything else? |
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| 17:04.46 | bardzusny | lsmod -> you need to check for scsi modules |
| 17:05.13 | Aaron_- | Mount root partition. then lsmod Got you. |
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| 17:05.55 | bardzusny | I can't guarantee any of this will work, just trying to help |
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| 17:06.06 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: and I am very thankful. |
| 17:06.30 | ubsafder | bardzusny: no "ifup" and "ifdown" commands can that be fixed ? |
| 17:06.41 | bardzusny | ubsafder: wait until there is a fixed package |
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| 17:06.45 | bardzusny | then "apt-get install ifupdown" |
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| 17:07.32 | craigevil | ,versions netbase |
| 17:07.33 | judd | Package: netbase on i386 -- lenny: 4.34; squeeze: 4.45; wheezy: 4.47; sid: 5.0 |
| 17:07.56 | ubsafder | bardzusny: thanks a lot i guess in the meantime I will do it manually |
| 17:07.58 | craigevil | or you can downgrade to netbase in testing and reinstall ifupdown |
| 17:08.06 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: I see scsi_mod and scsi_transport_spi in the lsmod list |
| 17:08.08 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: please give me output of "cat /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf | grep MODULES" |
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| 17:09.02 | bardzusny | on your scsi of course |
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| 17:09.46 | oznt | hi guys, this might be trivial, but how do i use curl or wget to download the deb in this page: https://www.google.com/chat/video/thankyou.html?platform=linux_ubuntu_x86_64 ? |
| 17:09.51 | Aaron_- | ./etc/initrams-tools.... no such file or directory |
| 17:10.03 | bardzusny | initramfs* |
| 17:10.18 | oznt | what's wrong with just giving a direct link ? |
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| 17:10.57 | Aaron_- | # MODULES: [ most | netboot | dep | list ] |
| 17:11.02 | _Sam-- | maybe your wget or curl dont support https |
| 17:11.04 | Aaron_- | MODULES=most |
| 17:11.22 | bardzusny | MODULES=most should be all right... |
| 17:11.34 | bardzusny | back then, in chroot, you surely ran update-initramfs -u? |
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| 17:11.50 | Aaron_- | Dunno if it matters, we are just working in a live terminal. I didn't chmod.. |
| 17:12.05 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Yes. |
| 17:12.22 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: ok |
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| 17:12.35 | bardzusny | add all scsi modules to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules file |
| 17:12.58 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Is that a command, or are you telling me to do it, cause I dont' know how |
| 17:13.14 | bardzusny | edit file manually |
| 17:13.23 | bardzusny | with nano/vim/similar |
| 17:13.27 | Aaron_- | I know how to edit a file. What to change i DON'T KNOW |
| 17:13.39 | bardzusny | add modules from lsmod |
| 17:13.48 | Aaron_- | Ack sorry |
| 17:14.09 | Aaron_- | Didn't mean for caps. And on what modules file. On the root of the HDD I assume? |
| 17:14.23 | bardzusny | of your scsi hdd, yes |
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| 17:14.59 | bardzusny | mounting of /dev/, /proc/, /sys/ won't hurt either |
| 17:15.33 | Aaron_- | There is no /etc/initramfs-tool dir |
| 17:15.42 | Aaron_- | tools rather |
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| 17:16.09 | Aaron_- | sorry, my mistake.. Its not letting me tab it.. ARGH! |
| 17:16.11 | n-iCe | question, is wi-fi supported in netinstall? |
| 17:16.12 | bardzusny | there has to be, you showed me output of initramfs.conf already |
| 17:16.23 | bardzusny | n-iCe: yes, not sure about wpa though |
| 17:16.37 | n-iCe | is ok, I don't use wpa |
| 17:16.43 | bardzusny | n-iCe: and you'll need firmware files for many cards (can be loaded from usb drive) |
| 17:16.53 | n-iCe | how can I know if it will recognize my wireless card? I have two, one builtin in my laptop and a usb one |
| 17:16.54 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Ok, what do I add to the files? |
| 17:16.59 | Aaron_- | file |
| 17:17.06 | n-iCe | bardzusny: I have tried that, but does not load them, don't know why |
| 17:17.12 | MouseTheLuckyDog | craigevil, What wiki? |
| 17:17.31 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: can you paste output of lsmod somewhere like pastebin.org? |
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| 17:17.47 | Aaron_- | I may, will be a pain.. |
| 17:17.55 | bardzusny | n-iCe: Atheros should work, not sure about the others. What adapters are these exactly? |
| 17:18.06 | VeggieMeat | is away: fooood |
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| 17:18.54 | n-iCe | firmware-iwifi and rtl8187 |
| 17:19.00 | craigevil | !wiki |
| 17:19.19 | Aaron_- | pastebin.com/XFE6Afdk |
| 17:19.27 | craigevil | MouseTheLuckyDog, wiki.debian.org |
| 17:19.27 | Aaron_- | let me know if that doesn't work in case I typed it wrong |
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| 17:20.52 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: add these line-by-line (probably too many, but this shouldn't hurt) |
| 17:21.06 | Cryp71c | Do I need alll the dvd images for a debian squeeze server installation? Just the first? |
| 17:21.13 | bardzusny | scsi_mod |
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| 17:21.48 | daemonkeeper | Cryp71c: The latter. Actually, you only need the 175M netinst image if you have network access at installation time. |
| 17:21.54 | bardzusny | scsi_transport_spi |
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| 17:23.46 | sfsf32 | hello |
| 17:24.01 | bardzusny | sorry Aaron_-: |
| 17:24.06 | bardzusny | mtpbase BEFORE mptscsih |
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| 17:24.31 | bardzusny | after these two: |
| 17:24.38 | bardzusny | mtpspi |
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| 17:24.57 | Aaron_- | Where does that one go? |
| 17:25.11 | Aaron_- | At the end. |
| 17:25.20 | Aaron_- | ? |
| 17:25.20 | bardzusny | mtpspi at the end |
| 17:25.35 | bardzusny | mtpbase, mptscsih, mptspi (in this order) |
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| 17:25.45 | bardzusny | after that: |
| 17:25.47 | bardzusny | libata |
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| 17:26.08 | bardzusny | and that should be it...run update-initramfs -u from CHROOT |
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| 17:26.13 | jhutchins_lt | bardzusny: Perhaps a pastebin would be useful? |
| 17:26.26 | bardzusny | jhutchins_lt: sorry |
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| 17:27.35 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: if there are no errors (let's hope it is so), you should get something like: "update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-2-686-pae" |
| 17:27.44 | sfsf32 | when i open a video HD (1080p) with gnome-mplayer the video is jerky. If i open it with mplayer directly from command line the video is ok but there is a displacement between video and audio. This may depend on what? Is there any mplayer option to solve this problem? |
| 17:27.49 | bardzusny | write that filename down somewhere |
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| 17:28.39 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: How do I mount all thos epartitions again? |
| 17:28.50 | jeward | Hi, I've got some dependecy problems and need some help updating this squeeze box. |
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| 17:29.14 | bardzusny | mount --bind /dev/ /mnt/1/dev/ |
| 17:29.19 | bardzusny | and the same for /sys/ and /proc/ |
| 17:29.23 | jeward | The problem packages are: samba-common-bin cifs-utils smbfs |
| 17:29.51 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: chmod: missing operand after /mnt/1/ |
| 17:30.26 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Just error after error after error after error |
| 17:31.12 | Cryp71c | daemonkeeper, in all honesty, I've done a netinstall on this server and the configuration has come out reallly odd (not that its the netinst's fault, just my own insufficient knowledge on what to install and what not to install during the netinstall process). I figured a full installation might be - while a bit bloated - better given my experience level) |
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| 17:31.50 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Any idea why I am getting this now? |
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| 17:32.00 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: but you did this before already...have you mounted rootfs to the same directory? |
| 17:32.04 | daemonkeeper | Cryp71c: It's exactly the same, actually. The only difference is the set of packages available through a local media. |
| 17:32.04 | bardzusny | and you're running mount as root? |
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| 17:32.32 | Cryp71c | daemonkeeper, so should I go back through netinstall and just elect into every package that's available during the install time? |
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| 17:32.33 | Aaron_- | Sorry, I am typing chmod instead of chroot.. |
| 17:32.34 | meamo | I recently lost my USB mouse, and upon plugging my PS/2 mouse in my computer does nothing. |
| 17:32.37 | Aaron_- | WAY to stressed. |
| 17:32.41 | jeward | http://pastebin.com/VR5Csx8n |
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| 17:32.50 | Cryp71c | meamo, restarted your computer after you plugged in PS2? |
| 17:32.50 | jeward | Can anyone heklp me sort that out? |
| 17:32.52 | meamo | I believe it to be an X config problem. |
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| 17:33.01 | rotzbouw | hi |
| 17:33.02 | meamo | Cryp71c: Yes. |
| 17:33.07 | Cryp71c | k, just checking :) |
| 17:33.11 | meamo | Cryp71c: Tried a few mice. |
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| 17:33.32 | Cryp71c | yeah I think I ran into that sort of a problem ages ago, but I don't know what I did to fix it at the time, if anything. |
| 17:33.36 | daemonkeeper | Cryp71c: I personally wouldn't bother to much with packages at installation time. If yiu're on a server, just do a minimal install + ssh and reboot. That's by far more convenient to install the remaining cruft later on. |
| 17:33.52 | rotzbouw | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade on debian unstable removed ifupdown and essentially broke networking.. how do I fix? re-installing ifupdown wants to remove sysvinit, which might not be a good idea. |
| 17:34.08 | bardzusny | meamo: I know it's obvious, but of course you rebooted? PS/2 isn't plug'n'play |
| 17:34.29 | Cryp71c | daemonkeeper, that's precisely what I did the first time around, then when I went to build necessary libraries and whatnot, I was running into issues that other administrators (who say they use Debian squeeze) aren't running into. |
| 17:34.29 | meamo | bardzusny: Yes, Cryp71c asked that also. |
| 17:34.37 | bardzusny | sorry |
| 17:34.40 | littlebit | hi people, i wanted to know how to modify my csh, that the terminal replaces the dum "#" with the current working directory |
| 17:34.43 | bardzusny | missed it |
| 17:34.43 | meamo | I attempted a few mice, all restarting after plugging them in. |
| 17:34.47 | Cryp71c | Where I'm having issues, their stuff worked out of the box (configuring db drivers, etc.) |
| 17:35.06 | Cryp71c | daemonkeeper, so..not sure what I'm doing wrong, tbh. |
| 17:35.13 | meamo | I believe that it might be an X windows problem? I am using a PS/@ keyboard no issue. |
| 17:35.30 | bardzusny | rotzbouw: be careful with upgrading packages on unstable! |
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| 17:35.57 | bardzusny | I recommend aptitude, when there are dependency problems just keep affected packages at their current version |
| 17:36.03 | rotzbouw | bardzusny: i usually am.. dunno how I missed that. :/ |
| 17:36.05 | daemonkeeper | Cryp71c: ehrm, Debian installs exactly what you want at installation time regardless of the media used. You can select several tasks and package groups. The availability does not depend by the media or network mirror used at all. |
| 17:36.16 | bardzusny | rotzbouw: right now workaround is "ifconfig eth0 up && dhclient eth0" |
| 17:36.21 | bardzusny | assuming eth0, dhcp |
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| 17:36.55 | bardzusny | basically, you have to configure it manually, not inside /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:36.56 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Okay I ran update-initramfs and it generated /boot/initrd.img........ Now what? |
| 17:37.05 | rotzbouw | bardzusny: dhclient not found either :( |
| 17:37.10 | bardzusny | just /boot/initrd.img? |
| 17:37.20 | rotzbouw | bardzusny: no, sorry. it's there (with sudo) |
| 17:37.31 | littlebit | hi people, i wanted to know how to modify my csh, that the terminal replaces the dum "#" with the current working directory |
| 17:37.31 | Cryp71c | rotzbouw, go ahead and just su |
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| 17:37.40 | Cryp71c | then do everything they're telling you to do. |
| 17:37.40 | rotzbouw | bardzusny: thanks a lot, that worked :) |
| 17:37.53 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: no, it had numbers after it. Initrd.ing-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 17:37.54 | rotzbouw | i'll look into as to why ifupdown was removed though. maybe it's a glitch |
| 17:37.54 | bardzusny | rotzbouw: np |
| 17:38.02 | bardzusny | it's dependency problem |
| 17:38.22 | bardzusny | should be fixed soon...and some other packages will get broken in the meantime :) |
| 17:38.49 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: keep the numbers, then you'll have to boot into grub rescue |
| 17:39.02 | llutz | littlebit: set prompt="`whoami`@`hostname -s` $cwd ->" |
| 17:39.04 | bardzusny | and repeat the commands we typed earlier |
| 17:39.24 | rotzbouw | bardzusny: hehe, right, i'll be more careful with updates in the future again |
| 17:39.24 | Aaron_- | God, now I need to find them... |
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| 17:39.31 | littlebit | llutz: is there some config file |
| 17:39.41 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: wait a sec, I'll get them for ya |
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| 17:39.47 | littlebit | that i could set that |
| 17:39.48 | littlebit | ? |
| 17:39.50 | llutz | littlebit: ~/.cshrc |
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| 17:40.05 | meamo | Is their a specific process involved with ps/2 mouses specifically? |
| 17:40.10 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Thank you. |
| 17:40.37 | meamo | I am using a ps/2 keyboard with no issues, however I have modified init and rc |
| 17:41.16 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: http://pastie.org/3910991 |
| 17:41.34 | bardzusny | oops, typo or two |
| 17:41.38 | bardzusny | shouldn't matter :) |
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| 17:43.46 | n-iCe | is there any schedule of the releases? |
| 17:44.20 | bardzusny | n-iCe: "when it's ready" :) |
| 17:44.20 | meamo | Mkay, I'm gonna go fudg around see if I can find any documentation on X... I can't see than anyone has helped yet :/ |
| 17:44.32 | meamo | Also mess with dbus, and hal |
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| 17:45.15 | bardzusny | oops, meamo gone |
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| 17:46.10 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: how did it go? |
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| 17:47.34 | thewanderer1 | guys, if the Power button on my PC's case does not do anything, what package am I missing? |
| 17:47.42 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: With a few modifications to the commands you gave me, it booted! |
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| 17:48.17 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: hope I was of some help :) |
| 17:48.26 | bardzusny | grub is still broken, I have honestly no idea why |
| 17:48.52 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Well. Will installing grum from a working OS perhaps do it? |
| 17:49.02 | r3m | should i need to upgrade to 6.05 or only when 7.0 will be out? |
| 17:49.12 | bardzusny | grub-install /dev/sda (edit for your disk) should work |
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| 17:49.52 | bardzusny | what was the error again? disk not found? |
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| 17:50.44 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: yes. |
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| 17:51.52 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: try running update-grub and grub-install from inside the machine, just to be sure |
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| 17:52.28 | Aaron_- | grub-install gives me a help file. |
| 17:53.17 | Aaron_- | I guess I need to tell it what drive huh? |
| 17:53.24 | bardzusny | yes :) |
| 17:53.34 | bardzusny | but /dev/sda, not /dev/sda1, and so |
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| 17:54.33 | Aaron_- | OKay.. booting. |
| 17:55.16 | Aaron_- | I ended up with a kernel failure somewhere between grub-update and grub-install Any chance it was a fluke? |
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| 17:56.05 | Aaron_- | grabs bardzusny and dances with him/her |
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| 17:56.27 | bardzusny | it works? |
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| 17:56.38 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Yes. |
| 17:57.03 | bardzusny | get me a beer 8) |
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| 17:57.13 | Aaron_- | offers bardzusny a beer |
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| 17:59.36 | littlebit | llutz: I went to /root/.cshrc and made that change, rebooted and nothing changed |
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| 18:01.38 | bardzusny | littlebit: set prompt="${cwd}% " |
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| 18:02.20 | bardzusny | http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/faq/part2/section-4.html |
| 18:02.26 | karlpinc | r3m: You only _need_ to get security updates, through the usual channels. If you upgrade to 6.05 you'll get security updates along with the other updates. You'll need to upgrade to the latest 6 before upgrading to 7 anyway. Really, there's few changes and I see no reason not to upgrade, although you may want to read the release announcement details if you're really concerned. |
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| 18:03.02 | r3m | karlpinc: i update to 6.05 using a simple aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 18:03.03 | r3m | ? |
| 18:03.19 | bardzusny | aptitude dist-upgrade (or was it full-upgrade?) |
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| 18:03.35 | bardzusny | I'm not sure if it's the same as just "upgrade" |
| 18:03.54 | Aaron_- | Where do I make a suggestion for a kernel addon? Or a new bash command. I suggest the command "fix" be added, and it would accept the arguments "Damn thing" |
| 18:04.22 | r3m | karlpinc: anyway i do cat /etc/debian_version and it show 6.05 so aptitude update && aptitude upgrade works |
| 18:04.44 | karlpinc | r3m: Right. That's the way to do it. |
| 18:04.46 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: you said it works :) |
| 18:05.05 | r3m | karlpinc: why not dist-upgrade? dist-upgrade will be useful when debian 7 will be out? |
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| 18:05.47 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: It does. But for next time, I would just like to issue a "fix damn thing" command rather then spending days on it. |
| 18:05.53 | karlpinc | r3m: The difference between safe-upgrade and dist-upgrade is that dist-upgrade can, potentially, break things. So you want to be careful. As far as upgrading to 7 goes, you'll want to follow the instructions in the release notes. |
| 18:06.26 | r3m | ok thanks |
| 18:06.30 | karlpinc | r3m: (Rarely, there's an upgrade to debian-stable that requires dist-upgrade. Mostly it's for major release upgrades.) |
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| 18:06.47 | bardzusny | also, dist-upgrade is obsolete (as in: it's still accepted but it's full-upgrade now) |
| 18:06.58 | bardzusny | (just found that out from man page) |
| 18:07.03 | karlpinc | Aaron_-: Next time just buy a box with Debian pre-installed. :-) |
| 18:07.08 | n-iCe | hi guys, I'm installed Debian stable without an internet connection, but it did not installed a thing |
| 18:07.17 | n-iCe | I mean, not even network.manager was installed, why is this? |
| 18:07.40 | karlpinc | n-iCe: Did you use the netinstall method? |
| 18:08.21 | flynd | Hi, I want to install Debian on an ARM system (LaCie miniED v2, flash has u-boot, kernel and rootfs will be on sata disk) and after giving up on how to boot the installer I'm trying to figure out how to prepare the disk from my workstation instead. I've looked at debootstrap and multistrap but I can't figure out how to make them include a kernel so the system can actually boot when I move the disk back. Could someone point me to a guide t |
| 18:08.21 | flynd | hat doesn't assume I've cross compiled my own kernel (I'm still assuming I can use the binary debian-built kernel), my google skills apparently aren't very good today. |
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| 18:08.41 | n-iCe | karlpinc: no |
| 18:08.56 | n-iCe | karlpinc: I downloaded the large http stable cd |
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| 18:09.31 | karlpinc | n-iCe: If you didn't check any of the <tasksel> choies (desktop, webserver, etc) then it installs a minimal system. No GUI, just enough to boot and install more software. |
| 18:09.54 | bardzusny | flynd: it may not be supported by 'stock' Debian kernel |
| 18:10.10 | rorx | so where would I set a umask for apache on Debian 6 using the apache2 package -- at the bottom of /etc/apache2/envvars ? |
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| 18:10.20 | n-iCe | karlpinc: I did check 3 of them , the default them, and laptop comes on it, but does not even install network-manager |
| 18:10.34 | karlpinc | flynd: I don't know much, but I'm under the impression the hard part is the bootloader. |
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| 18:10.58 | flynd | bardzusny: From what I can find, it's supported by a Linux so I thought I'd at least try the debian build before doing it myself |
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| 18:10.59 | karlpinc | n-iCe: network-manager may not be on the first cd. The default method is to use the <interfaces> file. |
| 18:11.13 | e-anima | does anyone know if you can call a program back to the front after you started it in the background with & |
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| 18:11.33 | craigevil | nm should be on cd1, since it is default when gnome is installed |
| 18:11.34 | n-iCe | karlpinc: that's sad |
| 18:11.36 | flynd | karlpinc: It's u-boot and I have access to the serial console so I can tell it what to boot and which parameters to give the kernel |
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| 18:11.42 | n-iCe | karlpinc: what's the best cd to download? |
| 18:11.52 | karlpinc | n-iCe: Are you not on the Internet? |
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| 18:12.46 | bardzusny | flynd: and you have working kernel already? |
| 18:12.52 | karlpinc | n-iCe: What makes it onto the first cd is based on what's most popular. Why not just install more stuff straight from the net? |
| 18:12.53 | n-iCe | karlpinc: no, since in the installation it asks me for the firmware, which is in the usb but does not detect it or something |
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| 18:13.49 | flynd | bardzusny: No, I was hoping debootstrap would install it together with the base packages but it didn't and since it's another architecture I'm assuming I can't just chroot into it and run apt-get |
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| 18:14.01 | bardzusny | flynd: yes you can |
| 18:14.08 | bardzusny | you must debootstrap with --arch=armel |
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| 18:14.26 | bardzusny | (or armhf if your arm cpu has fpu, it should be somehow faster) |
| 18:14.27 | karlpinc | n-iCe: Ok. You can just put the firmware .deb onto a usb stick and use "dpkg install whatever.deb" to install it and make your nic work. |
| 18:14.44 | bardzusny | correction: with --arch=armel and --foregin |
| 18:14.47 | bardzusny | foreign* |
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| 18:15.09 | flynd | bardzusny: Yes, I used "debootstrap --arch armel --foreign squeeze temproot" |
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| 18:15.34 | n-iCe | karlpinc: while the installation? I think is not possible |
| 18:15.39 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Okay, next step, and I am getting scared to do this. I need to resize the partitions and move them around a bit. Partition 1 is the root parttion and will continue to be the root partition, it just needs to increase in size. Partition 2 was unused in linux, and will disapear, parttition 3 was the swap, it will grow and become parttition 2. What is the best way to do this? |
| 18:15.41 | n-iCe | karlpinc: since it asks for a .ucode |
| 18:15.42 | bardzusny | flynd: and you completed --second-stage? |
| 18:15.43 | karlpinc | n-iCe: The netinstall is recommended. If you want to re-install (and don't want to follow the instructions in the installation guide regarding firmware) you can download an unoffical installer with the firmware included. (Really, it's just as easy to get the firmware file and install it. The install guide should tell you where/what file to download.) |
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| 18:16.10 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: download gparted live, boot from it, do what you need, done :) |
| 18:16.25 | flynd | bardzusny: No, but if you say I can chroot even though it's the wrong arch I'll give it a try |
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| 18:16.44 | karlpinc | Aaron_-: (Or setup lvm, which makes it easy to resize partitions without brining the system down -- at the cost of having to learn about lvm.) |
| 18:16.47 | bardzusny | flynd: wait a second, you want to chroot into armel from regular x86? |
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| 18:17.15 | flynd | bardzusny: Yes, wasn't that what you just said I should? |
| 18:17.28 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: And that will change the OS to recognize that the linux swap has changed from partition 3 to 2, and changed size and location on the disk?\ |
| 18:17.36 | flynd | bardzusny: I would perform second stage on the arm system but then I need to have it bootable first |
| 18:17.45 | bardzusny | flynd: you can perform boot stage on x86 |
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| 18:17.59 | bardzusny | install these packages: binfmt-support qemu-user-static |
| 18:18.17 | bardzusny | "cp /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static /temproot/usr/bin/" |
| 18:18.33 | bardzusny | then you can chroot :) |
| 18:18.53 | bardzusny | it's sneaky, I did it when preparing rootfs for my phone |
| 18:19.07 | flynd | bardzusny: Cool, I'll give it a try. Thanks |
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| 18:19.45 | karlpinc | n-iCe: Aaron_- You'll want to look at your /etc/fstab file. Ideally you'll have used uuids (or disk labels) and so the actual location of the partitions and their sizes won't matter. (In the case of swap, you'll probably need to turn off the old swap and turn on the new, by changing the uuid in fstab.) |
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| 18:25.29 | bardzusny | flynd: did you get my messages about binfmt-support, qemu? |
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| 18:25.57 | flynd | bardzusny: Yes, I'm trying it now |
| 18:26.18 | bardzusny | ok, let me know |
| 18:26.33 | scientes | its not sneaky, its agic |
| 18:26.42 | scientes | *magic |
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| 18:27.51 | bardzusny | scientes: magic is better word, yes |
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| 18:29.31 | scientes | i was wondering if such things worked nested |
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| 18:29.36 | scientes | like wine on arm |
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| 18:30.10 | karlpinc | scientes: That's a different sort of nesting, and wouldn't think would work. |
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| 18:30.31 | flynd | How does it work? What actually is it that calls qemu? |
| 18:30.32 | bardzusny | scientes: I think i386 chroot on arm would work |
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| 18:30.50 | bardzusny | flynd: that's why it needs qemu-arm-static |
| 18:30.55 | scientes | bardzusny, multiarch |
| 18:30.55 | bardzusny | inside of chroot jail |
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| 18:31.10 | scientes | and yes i386 would work just wfine |
| 18:31.13 | bardzusny | oh |
| 18:31.23 | bardzusny | it would be a slideshow |
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| 18:31.30 | scientes | but what about wine with binfmt misc ontop of qemu-user with binfmtmisc |
| 18:31.37 | scientes | oh of course it would be slow |
| 18:31.38 | flynd | Yes, but how does it know it should call qemu-arm-static? Is it build into the kernel to look for that name when I try to run something for the wrong arch? |
| 18:31.52 | scientes | flynd, man binfmtmsic |
| 18:32.01 | scientes | to take away some of the magic |
| 18:32.05 | bardzusny | I think binfmt-support calls /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static when it needs to execute arm code |
| 18:32.13 | bardzusny | and so on |
| 18:32.18 | scientes | ^^^that |
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| 18:32.34 | flynd | Ah, I see. Neat |
| 18:32.46 | flynd | second stage just completed |
| 18:33.00 | scientes | we use the same infrastructure for running java and wine |
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| 18:41.30 | Era234 | I cannot get SSL work with "mail-notification" , so, I cannot check mail on my server, is there any other good package for checking on IMAP ? GNUBiff does not work too well , eventhough it is able to authenticate fine. |
| 18:42.26 | r3m | i know there is no official date, but you think the next release will be for which years please |
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| 18:44.22 | maurer | If I have a specific linux source tree I'd like to install as a debianized kernel, is there an easy way to do this? |
| 18:44.40 | thewanderer1 | Era234: if you can write PHP, the language has integrated IMAP support which actually works. |
| 18:44.41 | bardzusny | what do you mean by "debianized"? |
| 18:46.00 | maurer | bardzusny: Built into a .deb package (or several) such that they can be installed with all the usual debian module autoloading, and debian will understand that these packages fulfill the kernel requirements, and won't try to switch my kernel |
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| 18:47.13 | Era234 | thewanderer1: I see, I can write Perl code and there's one ready to go Module there, but was looking for a ready to go applications, mail-notification is a very good one, but , will not support SSL ( becuase it refers to openssl) in Debian. |
| 18:47.15 | thewanderer1 | maurer: apt-get install kernel-package; man make-kpkg; # usually just call it like this after make menuconfig: CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=5 make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 18:47.37 | thewanderer1 | Era234: is openssl a problem? |
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| 18:48.58 | maurer | thewanderer1: Exactly what I was looking for, thanks |
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| 18:49.38 | thewanderer1 | maurer: note that it doesn't always work with -rc kernels, i.e. some headers may be missing in those, but I haven't tracked that issue down yet |
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| 18:50.44 | maurer | thewanderer1: This is a git kernel with custom patches, but hopefully it'll work |
| 18:50.53 | maurer | (e.g. it is not gauranteed to match any particular rc or release) |
| 18:51.20 | thewanderer1 | the worst that could happen is you'll be unable to build some out-of-tree modules later on, but only worry if that happens |
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| 18:51.37 | karlpinc | I seem to recall the readmes in /usr/local/src/ are useful with make-kpkg. |
| 18:51.53 | thewanderer1 | possibly, yes |
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| 18:53.32 | karlpinc | Era234: I believe I've used balsa with ssl before. |
| 18:54.10 | UshSh | Can one install both Gnome 2 and Gnome 3 window managers together and choose which one to use when logging in?! |
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| 18:56.27 | ladowacharpuny | conky is best program of this type or there is better? |
| 18:57.12 | thewanderer1 | !best |
| 18:57.12 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 18:57.27 | Cryp71c | I noticed that uname -p and uname -i both report "unknown" on a fresh squeeze install, is this going to be problematic down the road? is it something I can "fix" ? |
| 18:57.35 | thewanderer1 | UshSh: no, but GNOME3 has Gnome Fallback mode which somewhat emulates GNOME2. Also, it is NOT in stable. |
| 18:58.13 | daemonkeeper | Cryp71c: dpkg-architecture -l |
| 18:58.35 | daemonkeeper | uname isn't very reliable on that matter. |
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| 18:59.35 | Cryp71c | daemonkeeper, dpkg-architecture command not found? |
| 19:00.46 | UshSh | thewanderer1, thanks, as far as it's unstable can I simply remove that and go back to gnome2 if I install it?! |
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| 19:01.41 | [Kernel_panic] | hola |
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| 19:01.55 | daemonkeeper | Cryp71c: apt-get install dpkg-dev |
| 19:01.57 | thewanderer1 | UshSh: no. |
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| 19:02.12 | Cryp71c | daemonkeeper, thanks, just saw that via google |
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| 19:02.57 | Cryp71c | daemonkeeper, when packages .configure and whatnot, is that (dpkg-architecture) what they use to determine configuration or do they tend to reference more generic, universal attributes somewhere else? |
| 19:03.08 | daemonkeeper | Cryp71c: Typically they use GCC |
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| 19:08.46 | xylon | Hi |
| 19:08.53 | xylon | I have a question about Debian |
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| 19:09.39 | xylon | If I used stable, would I have to rebuild when a new stable is released, or is it possible to upgrade to a new stable? |
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| 19:11.42 | nsadmin | xylon, rebuild, you mean the debian-supplied software? |
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| 19:11.57 | xylon | No, I mean re-install Debian |
| 19:12.06 | nsadmin | no, you don't have to reinstall |
| 19:12.35 | xylon | when I upgrade would it disrupt things? like config files? |
| 19:13.15 | Era234 | thewanderer1: I'm not sure if openssl is 100% open-source, if there's any kind of limitation to it, I know that Debian does not allow the maintaner of 'mail-notification' to include ssl support in his package, on Debian. |
| 19:13.54 | nsadmin | config files are "marked" as such, and when it sees you (or something) has changed a config, it tell you and asks what you want to do (including show a diff, or spawn a shell in the dir) |
| 19:14.17 | karlpinc | xylon: See the <release notes> for an example of what's involved in upgrading. (This last upgrade was particuarly complex.) |
| 19:14.20 | xylon | nsadmin: that's nice |
| 19:14.25 | karlpinc | !tell xylon about release notes |
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| 19:15.10 | nsadmin | more what-you-would-expect choices, are "keep mine" and "replace with the packaged one" |
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| 19:15.17 | karlpinc | xylon: (Here's the short version.) |
| 19:15.25 | karlpinc | !tell xylon about lenny->squeeze |
| 19:15.30 | nkuttler | Era234: if it's in debian it's dfsg-free |
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| 19:16.51 | nsadmin | xylon, having said all that, of course there is the possibility that when you upgrade... something will change... possibly unexpectedly... like spanish inquisition... |
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| 19:16.59 | nkuttler | Era234: and both packages you mentioned are in main. so your knowledge seems dubious |
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| 19:18.04 | GabrieleV | xylon, Essentialy, you could upgrade to the next stable release without upgrading. As the folks of this channel said, read the release notes and the chapter on how to upgrade. Personally I have upgraded systems since debian woody without reinstalling :) |
| 19:18.54 | nkuttler | Era234: fyi, the testing mail-notification seems to have SSL/TLS support |
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| 19:19.04 | nsadmin | I like that! you can upgrade without upgrading! |
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| 19:19.46 | xylon | I currently use Parabola (free version of Arch Linux)... it has no releases, just constant updates and stuff always breaks when I upgrade |
| 19:19.57 | xylon | dovecot ALWAYS breaks when I upgrade |
| 19:20.01 | nsadmin | he may have meant to say, upgrade without reinstalling :) |
| 19:20.05 | xylon | and I need to merge the configs |
| 19:20.18 | rainfyre | weird. I run arch and I upgrade daily and no breakages |
| 19:20.21 | xylon | this is why I consider Debian |
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| 19:20.34 | rainfyre | nsadmin: do we have a working wgetpaste or pastebinit for debian these days? |
| 19:20.41 | nsadmin | you mean merge your changes with the new version from the package? |
| 19:21.01 | nsadmin | rainfyre, I am still liking nopaste |
| 19:21.14 | rainfyre | nsadmin: I've never even heard of it :) is it in the repos? |
| 19:21.23 | GabrieleV | xylon, Managing configuration upgrades depends on various things. May be you will upgrade to a major release of dovect, whih needs manully converting the configs. It does not depends on your distribution, but on the package |
| 19:21.26 | xylon | nsadmin: yeah it saves the old config file and lets me manually merge it with the new |
| 19:21.27 | karlpinc | xylon: Config files do sometimes need to change. There are often established/tested upgrade paths in the <readme.debian> documents (especially for databases). |
| 19:21.33 | karlpinc | !tell xylon about readme.debian |
| 19:21.35 | nsadmin | rainfyre, it is now... |
| 19:21.38 | nsadmin | !nopaste |
| 19:21.38 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
| 19:21.42 | rainfyre | nsadmin: thank you |
| 19:22.36 | nsadmin | main reason I like nopaste is it doesn't default to pastebin.com :) |
| 19:23.02 | rainfyre | oh that's cool |
| 19:23.43 | rainfyre | nsadmin: and there it is. I upgraded to wheezy a few days ago, still getting used to not asking my questions in here :) |
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| 19:24.51 | xylon | well, thanks everyone |
| 19:24.51 | xylon | I might learn Debian soon |
| 19:24.54 | nsadmin | given #debian-next is on some other net, I don't see how a rule would apply... -maybe- you get better info |
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| 19:25.21 | nsadmin | xylon, so, yes, it does save the other version |
| 19:26.04 | nsadmin | if you choose to keep your altered and older version, it saves the newer as somefile-dpkg.dist |
| 19:26.08 | nsadmin | or something like that |
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| 19:26.53 | rainfyre | nsadmin: it's on oftc, but it's all damage control in that room. |
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| 19:27.12 | nsadmin | how do you mean? |
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| 19:27.56 | rainfyre | all they talk about is bug fixes, seems like |
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| 19:28.11 | rainfyre | this room seems more oriented towards ANY debian info |
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| 19:28.27 | rainfyre | thanks for the nopaste info btw. that's slick :) |
| 19:28.29 | nsadmin | hmm, you mean... could it be... testing has bugs?!!? |
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| 19:28.42 | rainfyre | heh. did I say that? |
| 19:28.54 | nsadmin | just kidding, of course there are no bugs! |
| 19:29.05 | rainfyre | heh :) |
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| 19:29.36 | rainfyre | I don't regret upgrading, but this box is so old and slow and everything worked perfectly with squeeze, that I don't think I gained anything by going to wheezy |
| 19:29.52 | kesroesweyth | Went to install nopaste, wants to add 37 packages total. Nevermind.. |
| 19:30.00 | rainfyre | heh |
| 19:30.14 | rainfyre | but it does work.. |
| 19:30.30 | nsadmin | what are a few of those packages? maybe 5 or so |
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| 19:30.52 | kesroesweyth | almost entirely lib*-perl |
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| 19:31.23 | nsadmin | that makes sense |
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| 19:31.32 | nsadmin | not sure why so many |
| 19:31.50 | nsadmin | and, those module packages are probably really small |
| 19:31.55 | rainfyre | yeah, I needed 5 or 6 of those, I must have had the rest already. that does seem strangely excessive though |
| 19:32.08 | rainfyre | yeah they downloaded really quick |
| 19:32.25 | kesroesweyth | yeah, the disk space and time to download aren't really my concern. |
| 19:32.41 | nsadmin | so the number of packages is? |
| 19:32.58 | kesroesweyth | yeah, seems odd. no reason to do it since I only really wanted to test the software. |
| 19:33.05 | kesroesweyth | Maybe I'll do it on one of my test systems. |
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| 19:33.33 | nsadmin | one thing that may make sense to you, is you probably only have the minimal perl (perl-base) without much else |
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| 19:33.55 | kesroesweyth | not sure why I would have anything more than that |
| 19:33.59 | kesroesweyth | I don't install much. |
| 19:34.07 | nsadmin | maybe you have no general use for perl; that also could make sense for you |
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| 19:36.12 | xylon | what put me off debian last time I tried to use it was that I downloaded the netinstall and it didn't support my mobile broadband car (only internet access I have) |
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| 19:40.34 | nsadmin | xylon, hmm. that still may be true... most if not all wifi cards, for one thing, need firmware |
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| 19:45.32 | rainfyre | nsadmin: how do I completely remove lxde? |
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| 19:46.46 | nsadmin | not sure... but, if you've been using aptitude exclusively to install, you can try removing the original thing you installed to get it |
| 19:47.10 | flynd | bardzusny: I think I've got everything I need for a working system, now I just need to figure out how to get u-boot to actually read the kernel. Thanks for all the help |
| 19:47.18 | nsadmin | and it might take those packages which were only installed to satisfy dependencies with it |
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| 19:49.54 | twanny796 | how do I know which version I have? |
| 19:50.05 | econdudeawesome | I think I've fuq'ed my system. I tried updating to wheezy and it broke. |
| 19:50.51 | econdudeawesome | http://pastebin.com/AUq1H1hL is a pastebin |
| 19:50.53 | somiaj | econdudeawesome: welcome to wheezy. What did you do to upgrade to wheezy? What were you running before the upgrade? |
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| 19:51.17 | econdudeawesome | somiaj: squeeze. I followed the FAQ and changed my /apt/sources.list from squeeze to wheezy |
| 19:51.35 | econdudeawesome | somiaj: then ran aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 19:52.31 | dizzylizzy | so as i understand it just about everyone hates pulseaudio. So why is it included in virtually every gnome setup out there? |
| 19:52.45 | nkuttler | econdudeawesome: welcome to testing. btw, the first error looks easy to fix |
| 19:53.00 | econdudeawesome | I commented out two sources that didn't exist-- here is a pastebin of sources: http://pastebin.com/9eNPusPx |
| 19:53.02 | somiaj | econdudeawesome: again welcome to testing. Looks like you'll have to track down what is causing the issues in the first place. |
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| 19:53.07 | econdudeawesome | nkuttler: great! |
| 19:53.28 | dizzylizzy | econdudeawesome: that's really easy to fix |
| 19:53.39 | dizzylizzy | econdudeawesome: delete that folder at the top that says it can't delete because it isn't empty |
| 19:53.45 | dizzylizzy | econdudeawesome: that solved my wheezy upgrade a couple days ago :P |
| 19:53.52 | somiaj | econdudeawesome: what does apt-get -f install try to do? |
| 19:53.55 | econdudeawesome | dizzylizzy: should I back it up in case other things require it? |
| 19:54.04 | dizzylizzy | there should be only one file in there, id- something |
| 19:54.04 | econdudeawesome | somiaj: haven't tried it, in case it fuq'd my sys worse |
| 19:54.09 | nkuttler | econdudeawesome: you haven't made a backup yet? |
| 19:54.15 | brightblade | whois rainfyre |
| 19:54.23 | brightblade | quit |
| 19:54.32 | econdudeawesome | nkuttler: of that folder? No. This is a home computer, mostly clean install (just installed chrome so far) |
| 19:54.34 | Akedion | lol |
| 19:54.46 | dizzylizzy | econdudeawesome: because one thing couldn't get done, aaaall the subsequent dependencies failed. If you delete that folder everything will work |
| 19:54.46 | econdudeawesome | nkuttler: if it gets nurfed I'm okay with that :D but I do wnat to save time |
| 19:54.52 | econdudeawesome | dizzylizzy: k |
| 19:54.56 | econdudeawesome | dizzylizzy: i'll give it a shot |
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| 19:56.13 | econdudeawesome | dizzylizzy: well, it's moving ahead. THanks for that :D |
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| 19:57.29 | econdudeawesome | dizzylizzy: success :D |
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| 20:06.25 | nsadmin | , versions daemontools --arch=amd64 |
| 20:06.26 | judd | Package: daemontools on amd64 -- lenny: 1:0.76-3; sid: 1:0.76-3; squeeze: 1:0.76-3; wheezy: 1:0.76-3 |
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| 20:09.41 | xylon | I want to install Debian on an EeePC, but the instructions require a netinstall: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallUsingStandardInstaller |
| 20:10.02 | xylon | but I don't think the netinstall supports my mobile broadband card |
| 20:10.17 | xylon | can I somehow do it differently? |
| 20:10.45 | nkuttler | xylon: is your card supported at all by linux? |
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| 20:11.36 | Muty | Hi guys, I'm using debian on my servers. On these servers basically customers applications run, websites.. those stuff. I used my own scripts "for automating" workflows, like creating new customer accounts. Then I've tried Plesk - which I don't like that much :). How do you guys manage your servers? Do you use some software / scripts for that? |
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| 20:12.38 | econdudeawesome | Well the update is successful. Although I'm surprised the interface is Gnome 3/Gnome classic. Anyone have any tips on customizing Gnome classic? |
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| 20:14.01 | Harzilein | is very disappointed by the theming breakage |
| 20:14.22 | econdudeawesome | Harzilein: why so? Do you have a better WM you recommend? |
| 20:14.34 | Harzilein | surely somebody should have added a declarative format for theme engines first before gtk3 |
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| 20:15.10 | econdudeawesome | I'm sure its a bit of my newbness, but I don't quite follow Harzilein |
| 20:15.26 | Harzilein | econdudeawesome: i'm just ranting, it's all |
| 20:15.49 | econdudeawesome | Harzilein: I figured :D |
| 20:16.13 | Harzilein | i use xfce4 but that will use gtk3 too soon. and they had beautiful lightweight theme engines. |
| 20:16.46 | econdudeawesome | How about the awesome WM? Have you come across that? |
| 20:16.59 | xylon | nkuttler: yes, it's supported by free software |
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| 20:17.08 | xylon | I use sakis3g script at the moment |
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| 20:18.14 | Harzilein | econdudeawesome: i used ion3 for a while and tiling wms are too limiting for me. i never looked at the pwm/ion-hybrid later and i think a regular desktop with keyboard friendly applications is enough for me |
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| 20:18.56 | Harzilein | econdudeawesome: i also care for netwm/freedesktop conformity, and small window managers usually do not have such "bloat" |
| 20:19.25 | tharkun | Is this channel no longer logged? |
| 20:19.30 | econdudeawesome | thought on iceWM? |
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| 20:20.22 | Harzilein | icewm/openbox/windowmaker are nice to put on retro hardware like old suns or something |
| 20:21.04 | econdudeawesome | Fair enough. I have a decently powerful computer, but have never been impressed by K (and the new Gnome, with lack of extensibility, is just plain not fun). netwn is pretty good? What is freedesktop? |
| 20:21.11 | nkuttler | xylon: well.. does it require a recent kernel or some firmware etc |
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| 20:22.13 | somiaj | econdudeawesome: I use fvwm on my system, new computer, very configurable wm that is compadable with ICCM2 standards |
| 20:22.21 | Harzilein | econdudeawesome: netwm is a cross desktop environment standard for stuff like rolled up windows, choosing desktops for windows, extensions for pids so killing local applications is easier... |
| 20:23.10 | econdudeawesome | ok. somiaj, what is fvwm? First I've heard of it |
| 20:23.19 | Harzilein | econdudeawesome: it's easy to roll your own desktop around a lightweight window manager, but if it does not conform to standards there will be usability glitches |
| 20:23.42 | somiaj | econdudeawesome: fvwm.org -- it is an old, still matained wm that was orignally a fork of twm |
| 20:23.43 | Harzilein | econdudeawesome: fvwm is the venerable window manager that was the first real open source offer after twm |
| 20:24.13 | econdudeawesome | Harzilein, somiaj: thanks yall. Think I'll give fvwm a shot, else move over to openbox + tint2 |
| 20:24.16 | somiaj | now days it is one of the most configurable wm's out there. You can really customize it to behave like you want it to provided you want to spend the time playing with a text config file |
| 20:24.40 | Harzilein | econdudeawesome: it was inspired by the nonfree mwm which was the base for dtwm which is part of cde. xfce4 has its roots in emulating a cde experience as well |
| 20:24.47 | somiaj | yea use openbox, or some other wm if you don't want to spend the time to learn how to configure fvwm. But I think it is totally worth the investment if you want to design your own desktop |
| 20:25.22 | econdudeawesome | I have a lot of experience with openbox from my Lubuntu days, esp. with customization. I don't want to spend forever on it, as its a home computer (i.e. my wife needs to be able to use it successfully too) |
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| 20:26.31 | somiaj | time spent is dependent on how fast you pick things up, along with how well you understand differences between the aspects of a wm/desktop. Though the version in debian is outdated, you'll want to compile fvwm from source. You can have multiple wm's installed so your wife can log into her own setup |
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| 20:27.49 | somiaj | though I would suggest taking a look at some of the screenshots on fvwm.org to get an idea of the varity you can have. The sleek looking setups take a while, the more motif/basic set ups are close to the defaults. |
| 20:29.01 | linduxed | for some reason my tmux has decided that i can't use things like ctrl-r for search |
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| 20:29.13 | linduxed | that combination just doesn't do anything |
| 20:29.20 | linduxed | has anyone come across this issue? |
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| 20:33.36 | blawiz | is there another arc extractor than nomarch? i get error when trying to extract with it |
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| 20:35.17 | econdudeawesome | success. Decided on LXDE |
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| 20:35.40 | blawiz | oh, choosing wm? |
| 20:35.44 | blawiz | why LXDE? |
| 20:35.51 | blawiz | im thinking about getting a new one |
| 20:35.53 | somiaj | yea lxde is fairly basic but gives you most things you want. I only use it for my live systems though. |
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| 20:36.07 | somiaj | I'd say lxde is unintrusive, but gives you all the modern features you would exepct. |
| 20:36.36 | sharky1 | nice discussion i am also choosing wm, i was giving a shot to kde 4.4.5 |
| 20:37.03 | blawiz | somiaj, does it not have notify? |
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| 20:37.25 | sharky1 | i like minimal solutions too, but i am wondering what to choose on my laptop |
| 20:37.35 | immotus_ | blawiz: I'll throw in a quick plug for Fluxbox. Extremely light-weight. Extremely bare-bones. Edit the menu's by text file... be warned, though, It *only* does window-manager stuff. Nothing else. |
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| 20:38.14 | blawiz | immotus_, what else would it do? |
| 20:38.32 | blawiz | i havent played around with a lot of wm's :] |
| 20:38.35 | blawiz | have xfce now |
| 20:38.56 | somiaj | batrick: I beive so, but I haven't used it more than on a live system. |
| 20:39.07 | blawiz | i disabled the panels, so its full screen, and use gmrun to run apps, works nice |
| 20:39.14 | sharky1 | blawiz, xfce is small and fast, but the default look is not so slick, isn't it? |
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| 20:39.41 | blawiz | sharky1, i use the greybird theme, i think it looks ok :] |
| 20:39.54 | econdudeawesome | somiaj: its very nice. Im not sure it has notifications. |
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| 20:40.21 | econdudeawesome | immotus_: I played around with that long before trying Lubuntu (and by extension, LXDE). It's lightweight, super fast |
| 20:40.40 | sharky1 | have to try it, i like xfce and lxde, have tried also fluxbox too, but i was huge fan of kde 3.5 |
| 20:40.41 | econdudeawesome | It's funny. Lubuntu is essentially Debian through a circuitious route. |
| 20:41.12 | econdudeawesome | I've just never really liked kde. It's definitely because I started with Gnome2. I'm sad "Gnome Classic" customization sucks. |
| 20:42.15 | sharky1 | econdudeawesome, as far as i have tried lxde it is not very customizable too, or maybe I am wrong |
| 20:42.56 | sharky1 | but it is light weight and fast, which is cool |
| 20:43.00 | econdudeawesome | sharky1: not SUPER customizable, but openbox is easily accessible through a menu option, and the menu is customizeable enough |
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| 20:44.46 | econdudeawesome | I've enjoyed it thus far. Brings a lot of the positives I like about Gnome2. I hate the standard terminal and text editor--I stick with gedit and Gnome terminal |
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| 20:45.06 | Guest94722 | ciao |
| 20:45.08 | Guest94722 | !list |
| 20:45.08 | dpkg | guest94722: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 20:45.19 | dvs | That's old! |
| 20:46.04 | kingsley | How many different packages are there now? |
| 20:46.27 | acu | I want to configure a KVM virtual machine as file server, and share the files from /files (which is an ext4 formated partition from the HOST). I wonder is there is a way to have /files both a accessible file to the host and also from the virtual machines ? |
| 20:46.33 | sharky1 | do you guys know a command on the lxde terminal or xfce that opens new tab in the terminal window |
| 20:46.53 | sharky1 | on kde 3.5 i was using dcop |
| 20:47.10 | econdudeawesome | ctrl+shift+t? |
| 20:47.27 | sharky1 | i read that now on kde 4.4.5 they changed to dbus |
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| 20:47.38 | sharky1 | but a bash command |
| 20:47.39 | gnarface | kingsley: over 9000 |
| 20:47.45 | blawiz | sharky1, depends on the terminal, i use gnome-terminal and it uses what econdudeawesome said |
| 20:47.51 | hdb2 | are there any packages in debian that provide an easy front-end for creating network attached storage a la freenas? |
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| 20:48.28 | gnarface | hdb2: nothing comes to mind but making nfs shares isn't actually hard |
| 20:48.30 | sharky1 | blawiz, i mean bash command so that i am able with script to open multiple tabs and execute commands in them |
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| 20:49.12 | blawiz | sharky1, dont think that exists... |
| 20:49.24 | blawiz | maybe "screens" or "tmux"? |
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| 20:49.30 | hdb2 | gnarface: thanks. I've got to share with windows, I just didn't want to do the whole samba thing for just a few shares... |
| 20:49.31 | sharky1 | blawiz, on kde 3.5 i am using dcop |
| 20:49.37 | econdudeawesome | sharky1: why not do: command 1 && command 2 && .... |
| 20:49.53 | oliva | hi there ... does it make sense to have debian stable installed for the basic operating system and a chroot enviroment with up-to-date development and scientific software from testing? |
| 20:49.53 | econdudeawesome | sharky1: nm, I see what you're saying |
| 20:50.12 | gnarface | hdb2: unfortunately you will probably need 3rd party software to support NFS in windows, but i'm pretty sure it exists |
| 20:50.13 | sharky1 | econdudeawesome, for example you make a monitor script |
| 20:50.14 | blawiz | sharky1, hmm, dont know dcop |
| 20:50.56 | sharky1 | econdudeawesome, so you open tail -F /var/log/kernel.log in one tab, in the next messages in the next auth.log |
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| 20:50.59 | gnarface | hdb2: if its supported in windows and throughput isn't important you might want to look into sshfs instead (may be even easier to setup than NFS for servers already running openssh) |
| 20:51.14 | somiaj | oliva: what scientific software? It could be hard to get testing/unstable xorg apps to work from a chroot |
| 20:51.30 | gnarface | hdb2: i don't know if there are such thing as sshfs clients for windows though |
| 20:51.32 | econdudeawesome | sharky1: so like the screen app, but in GUI? |
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| 20:52.29 | sharky1 | econdudeawesome, yes, just open different tabs in the main terminal window and execute different commands in them |
| 20:52.51 | oliva | somiaj: mainly command line tools for batch systems |
| 20:52.53 | somiaj | oliva: also do you know about squeeze-backports? |
| 20:52.59 | blawiz | sharky1, thats not bash, thats the terminal, eg gnome-terminal |
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| 20:53.19 | oliva | somiaj: I do know, but my user keep asking me up-to-date releases |
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| 20:53.33 | somiaj | oliva: yea cli stuff, build enviroments will work just fine from a chroot. Even something like sage where you run a server and connect to it from a browser would be fine. I think things that require xorg though can have issues running in a chroot like that. |
| 20:53.42 | sharky1 | blawiz, yes you are right, i think the new possibility in kde is dbus |
| 20:54.38 | sharky1 | blawiz, but i wanted to ask if someone knows something like that for lxde or xfce or fluxbox |
| 20:55.00 | somiaj | oliva: though note since chroots are fairly easy to break out of, having users live inside that chroot opens you to all the security holes of testing. |
| 20:55.03 | kephra | just trying to upgrade - but m-a tells "build of the package nvidia-kernel-source failed!" ... where do I find the logfile to copy it to my server? and does somebody have an idea, why wheezy nvidia upgrade fails? |
| 20:55.37 | kephra | its really ugly about debian that this kind of upgrade is destructive |
| 20:55.50 | somiaj | kephra: do you prefer to use m-a, or have you tried the nvidia-kernel-dkms packages? (I haven't used m-a or made custom debian nvidia packages since dkms was introduced) |
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| 20:56.06 | CuteAlien | Help needed. I wanted new firefox/iceweasel on 64-bit, so following hints I found online and installed it with backports. That depends on newer libpixman-1-0 so installs that. Now I need libpixman-1-dev, which depends still on older libpixman-1-0. Is there any way to install both versions? Or another trick to resolve this? Or do I have the choice between up-to-date iceweasel or programming... |
| 20:56.12 | somiaj | kephra: you are running testing, it is a testing system in which things have not been fully tested to be smooth. Expect those kinda issues with wheezy. |
| 20:56.15 | kephra | somiaj, what would be the dkms way? |
| 20:56.35 | dvs | !tell CuteAlien about mdn |
| 20:56.38 | somiaj | kephra: just install the package nvidia-kernel-dkms and it will compile the module for any kernel you have the linux-headers for automatically on upgrades and such. |
| 20:56.42 | kephra | somiaj, I have to run wheezy because my graphic card is to new for stable |
| 20:57.03 | somiaj | kephra: then use squeeze-backports. There is a new kernel, nvidia drivers and xorg there you can install right on a stable system |
| 20:57.56 | CuteAlien | dvs, it's from squeeze-backports actually. Still same problem. |
| 20:57.57 | kephra | and how to tell dkms to build the nvidia modules? |
| 20:58.02 | kephra | the package is installed |
| 20:58.09 | CuteAlien | (didn't know there's still other backports) |
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| 20:58.40 | nsadmin | there;s lotsa backports! and if you make another, there'll be even more! |
| 20:58.42 | dvs | CuteAlien: But the debian.net version is compiled with the current stable libraries. |
| 20:59.27 | nsadmin | that's what a backport is... later version, compiled against current libs |
| 20:59.33 | CuteAlien | I'm fine with any other up-to-date version if I find one for 64-bit. |
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| 20:59.59 | somiaj | kephra: it builds them when it installs the package. If it isn't building them you rae missing the linux-headers for your kernel version |
| 21:00.02 | CuteAlien | I'm fine with this one - if there's a way around that conflict. |
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| 21:02.34 | oliva | somiaj: thanks for your suggestion |
| 21:02.37 | kephra | somiaj, the -dkms part came on my system without my notice - it might be that the m-a destroyed that automatic - so the question is, how to tell dkms to load nvidia kernel modules again? |
| 21:03.22 | Aaron_- | OKay, now I am having a hell of a time resizing my partitions. Gparted just won't do it, and when I use acronis true image home, it won't boot. HELP! |
| 21:04.14 | CuteAlien | dvs, Do you mean with debian.net something different from squeeze-backport? As that one has the problem I just described (and why I'm here asking this stuff). |
| 21:04.32 | gnarface | Aaron_-: define "won't do it" |
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| 21:05.47 | sharky1 | CuteAlien, if you need an older version of some library there maybe a trick to install what you need |
| 21:05.50 | dvs | CuteAlien: It seems like there is a libpixman-1-dev and libpixman1-dev. The latter one conflict with the current pacakge. |
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| 21:06.54 | CuteAlien | libpixman is already a dependency (what I really want is: xserver-xorg-dev) |
| 21:07.05 | Aaron_- | gnarface: Well I have tried many different variations. The latest, I resized and moved the swap, and only the swap partition. When I boot it I get: GRUB |
| 21:07.12 | Aaron_- | Thats it, curser after the word, nothign else. |
| 21:07.23 | sharky1 | CuteAlien, if for your installation you need an older version, you can download the source of the needed older version, compile it in some directory (it may need other stuff too) and then |
| 21:07.35 | kephra | *args* I see, why dkms fails ;-( |
| 21:07.53 | CuteAlien | sharky1, would have to recompile X... |
| 21:07.58 | dvs | CuteAlien: xserver-xorg-dev depends on libpixman-1-dev |
| 21:08.03 | CuteAlien | dvs, yes. |
| 21:08.19 | dvs | CuteAlien: you have libpixman1-dev installed |
| 21:08.26 | gnarface | Aaron_-: wait so it completed the re-size action successfully, no complaints, you just didn't re-install grub afterwards? |
| 21:08.30 | chowder | hey all. I just installed Debian squeeze on my brother's computer. The problem is that he has no wireless card and no way to connect to the ethernet. He has a wireless USB dongle. I've manually download the packages, transferred them to his machine, and installed everything I've needed (or so I think). The problem arises with ndiswrapper. dpkg reports that ndiswrapper is installed. ndiswrapper -l reports that the device is present a |
| 21:08.30 | chowder | nd the driver is installed. Yet when I try to load ndiswrapper modprobe tells me that it can't find the module and I've installed the ndiswrapper-dkms package. I don't understand what's going on. Any help? |
| 21:08.32 | kephra | my rootfs is small - therefore /usr/src/ is a symlink to /home/src/ ... but the new kernel headers have symlinks going ../../lib/linux-kbuild-3.2/ |
| 21:08.39 | Aaron_- | wait, I am gonna try a different method. I will eb back when that fails. |
| 21:08.43 | sharky1 | CuteAlien, before installing what you want to install change the soft link pointing to the newer version of you library to point to the older that is compiled in different directory lets say /home/CuteAlien/programms/oldlibrary |
| 21:09.22 | CuteAlien | dvs, no, because I can't install the dev - because it needs libpixman-1-0 with another version which got overwritten by iceweasel squeeze-backport. |
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| 21:10.26 | CuteAlien | sharky1, I want to program. Can't change soft-links all day when starting browser while programming. |
| 21:10.56 | dvs | CuteAlien: My version of xserver-xorg-dev depends on libpixman-1-dev, not libpixman-1-0 |
| 21:11.08 | dvs | is missing something I guess |
| 21:11.12 | CuteAlien | dvs, yes, that's what I'm saying |
| 21:11.22 | CuteAlien | and libpixman-1-dev depends on libpixman-1-0 |
| 21:11.41 | CuteAlien | And that's why libpixman-1-dev can't be installed anymore. |
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| 21:12.15 | gnarface | Aaron_-: i think you just needed to re-install grub to the MBR or something |
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| 21:12.26 | gnarface | might be wrong |
| 21:12.43 | dvs | CuteAlien: So you can't install libpixman-1-0 |
| 21:12.46 | dvs | ? |
| 21:12.52 | dvs | Why? |
| 21:13.01 | CuteAlien | dvs, not the correct version. Because iceweasel installed a newer version for it. |
| 21:13.19 | CuteAlien | And I don't know how to install both versions at the same time. |
| 21:13.49 | sharky1 | CuteAlien, both versions may not be possible, but it is for sure not good |
| 21:14.20 | dvs | CuteAlien: My iceweasel does not depend on libpixman-1-0 (unless there's a sub dependency) |
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| 21:14.35 | dvs | CuteAlien: And I have Iceweasel 12.0 installed |
| 21:14.39 | CuteAlien | dvs, yeah, some sub-dependency I guess. I also don't see it in the package itself. |
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| 21:15.53 | CuteAlien | hm, is there a command to see which packages depend on it? Maybe I'm wrong with Iceweasel and it was something else from debian-backport. I remember I had icedove (or whatever the mail-client is named) installed as well for a few minutes. |
| 21:16.34 | dvs | CuteAlien: I'd uninstall iceweasel and use the version from mozilla.debian.net. |
| 21:16.51 | CuteAlien | dvs, I don't know which version you mean :-( |
| 21:17.03 | gnarface | CuteAlien: there *is* a command... i think a flag to apt-get or apt-cache (i forget it though) |
| 21:17.16 | CuteAlien | that seems to be the one I have - squeeze-backports. |
| 21:17.45 | CuteAlien | dvs, if you run: apt-get install libpixman-1-dev does that work for you? |
| 21:18.02 | sharky1 | CuteAlien, apt-cache depends package |
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| 21:18.54 | CuteAlien | sharky1, hm, that's other way round - tells on what the package depends. Is there which packages do depend on this package as well? |
| 21:19.05 | sharky1 | CuteAlien, also ldd |
| 21:19.36 | gnarface | CuteAlien: yea rdepends maybe |
| 21:19.45 | dvs | CuteAlien: sudo apt-get -t squeeze-backports install libpixman-1-dev |
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| 21:20.27 | gnarface | CuteAlien: i think you're looking for the 'rdepends' flag instead of the 'depends' flag but dvs probably has them all memorized so you should just do what he says |
| 21:20.55 | dvs | Ha! Fat chance! |
| 21:21.14 | CuteAlien | yes, trying that |
| 21:22.03 | CuteAlien | dvs, thanks! That works. |
| 21:22.10 | dvs | !beer me |
| 21:22.10 | dpkg | pours a quart of Black Tuesday for dvs |
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| 21:26.20 | sharky1 | debian FTW |
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| 21:26.39 | sharky1 | :) |
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| 21:27.38 | bardzusny | sharky1: ! |
| 21:27.57 | bardzusny | now go to #ubuntu and say that :) |
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| 21:28.08 | sharky1 | bardzusny, :D |
| 21:28.27 | sharky1 | hahah they know it |
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| 21:29.57 | Aaron_- | Someone asked what peoboems I am having when I resize the partitions. MBR error 1 |
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| 21:30.53 | Aaron_- | So, to recap, I resize my partitions and the system won't boot. I do a copy of my partitions to another drive, it boots fine. So I do have a copy in its origional confiuration, but I need to resize the partitions. |
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| 21:31.27 | bardzusny | Aaron_-: after resizing the partitions, run grub-install again |
| 21:31.30 | bardzusny | (or have you already done this?) |
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| 21:31.52 | pl | Hi. I see that some headers files present in the vanilla kernel (e.g. dvb-usb.h) are missing in the relevant linux-headers package. Does anybody know why? |
| 21:32.08 | gnarface | bardzusny: he has not and he's ignored my suggestion to do so twice now |
| 21:32.30 | sharky1 | bardzusny, nice I think too that thats it |
| 21:32.38 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: No. Do I need to go into chroot or anything, or just do a grub-install /dev/sda |
| 21:32.53 | bardzusny | grub-install from any system should do |
| 21:33.00 | bardzusny | as long as it's similar grub version |
| 21:33.21 | bardzusny | better chroot :) |
| 21:33.30 | bardzusny | 'whatever works' |
| 21:33.36 | gnarface | often uses a livecd for this, but does chroot first in that case |
| 21:33.44 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: But before we were doing a chroot before entering commands. Is that not needed just to go a grub-install? |
| 21:34.02 | esto | and mount /dev and /proc with bind |
| 21:34.03 | bardzusny | you can try without chroot, it should work |
| 21:34.14 | bardzusny | if it doesn't then try from chroot |
| 21:34.18 | bardzusny | esto: yes |
| 21:34.34 | bardzusny | at least /dev/, /proc/ shouldn't be needed for grub-install |
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| 21:34.47 | gnarface | huh, that reminds me i still haven |
| 21:34.54 | gnarface | i still haven't tried out debian's livecd |
| 21:35.00 | gnarface | is it more awesome than knoppix yet? |
| 21:35.07 | dvs | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.10 | dvs | but it works |
| 21:35.30 | gnarface | well is it at least faster than knoppix? |
| 21:35.36 | gnarface | (to boot) |
| 21:35.40 | bardzusny | debian-live is best if you want custom livecd |
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| 21:37.01 | frikinz_ | did something change with the way debian repo are updated (unstable). 3rd day I hit a mismatch error. |
| 21:37.04 | sharky1 | Aaron_-, you can check this out http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/restore-debian-linux-grub-boot-loader.html |
| 21:37.11 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: Wonderful.. *sigh* gotta look up those commands again.. |
| 21:38.16 | sharky1 | Aaron_-, and this is how the men do it: http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover |
| 21:38.52 | bardzusny | frikinz_: these happen occassionally |
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| 21:40.32 | esto | http://www.supergrubdisk.org/2012/05/08/rescatux-0-30b6-released/ |
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| 21:42.58 | Aaron_- | bardzusny: At least that was a simple solve. Thank you. |
| 21:43.13 | econdudeawesome | Howdy! I'm back. I'm having a long lag time in switching Chrome tabs. Anyone else had this issue on wheezy? |
| 21:43.28 | bardzusny | they said it first :) |
| 21:43.54 | bardzusny | econdudeawesome: yes, chromium is slower on linux in my experience |
| 21:44.28 | econdudeawesome | bardzusny: Chrome, not chromium. It wasn't happening on Squeeze or other distro's ive used. Have you seen this behavior? Just tab-switching is really slow |
| 21:44.56 | bardzusny | econdudeawesome: chromium in sid works fine |
| 21:45.06 | bardzusny | on my old hardware I had problems (it was some time ago...old version?) |
| 21:45.21 | bardzusny | very slow tab switching & creating |
| 21:45.27 | fkm | Good evening. Does anyone know a channel or other resource for the Debian pptpd package? I'm trying to setup a VPN server on a VPS (with one IP) and I cannot find a solution to the "remoteip" problem (the probem being that I don't have an IP range). |
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| 21:45.48 | econdudeawesome | seems like it might be gtk3 antialiasing: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=121624 |
| 21:46.04 | bardzusny | fkm: that's not what you're looking for, BUT pptp is insecure. Try OpenVPN. |
| 21:46.21 | fkm | bardzusny: Ok. I will do that. Thank you! :-) |
| 21:46.25 | gnarface | fkm: i do not know the answer to that question but pptp is a pain in the ass. have you considered openvpn instead (its ssl based, runs in user space, requires no kernel modifications, and is firewall friendly) |
| 21:46.41 | gnarface | damn bardzusny beat me to it |
| 21:46.51 | fkm | Heheh :-) |
| 21:47.00 | fkm | Thank you both! |
| 21:47.07 | bardzusny | accelerati incredibilus |
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| 21:52.18 | frikinz_ | bardzusny: well, happened 3 times in 3 days and now not possible to update for the last 30mn, this never happened to me |
| 21:52.23 | deathof1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:53.28 | bardzusny | frikinz: that is a case for Sherlock Holmes. Which mirror do you use? |
| 21:53.34 | frikinz_ | maybe the updates on the repo are muuuch longer than before |
| 21:53.48 | frikinz_ | bardzusny: http://ftp.fr.debian.org |
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| 21:53.59 | frikinz_ | http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/?C=M;O=D |
| 21:54.07 | bardzusny | ahhhh, FRENCH |
| 21:54.19 | frikinz_ | W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.fr.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_i18n_Translation-en |
| 21:54.22 | frikinz_ | bardzusny: :) |
| 21:54.45 | frikinz_ | I use aptitude to test bandwidth here so I need the fastest repo :) |
| 21:55.02 | bardzusny | how do you use aptitude to test bandwith? |
| 21:55.43 | gnarface | if you're looking for absurd ways to test bandwidth its far more effective to do so by setting up a quake or team fortress server |
| 21:55.46 | ompaul | wget a large 100meg file ? |
| 21:56.09 | gnarface | ompaul: netcat :-P |
| 21:56.12 | bardzusny | apt-spy? |
| 21:56.29 | ompaul | gnarface: jnettop |
| 21:56.33 | frikinz_ | gnarface: not my question |
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| 21:56.47 | frikinz_ | bardzusny: aptitude install wesnoth |
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| 21:57.14 | bardzusny | frikinz_: before you test bandwith using debian mirrors, better choose the fastest one (using apt-spy for example) |
| 21:57.39 | bardzusny | this french mirror is awfully slow where, whereas swiss one flies |
| 21:57.43 | bardzusny | (ftp.ch.debian.org) |
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| 21:57.52 | bardzusny | (I realise this can be due to many factors) |
| 21:57.57 | lindenle | I accidentally deleted /etc/init.d/apache2 |
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| 21:58.08 | bardzusny | maybe they drank too much wine, I don't know |
| 21:58.09 | lindenle | tried reinstall of apache2.2-common and no go? |
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| 22:00.57 | frikinz_ | bardzusny: did you manage updating on unstable on fr.debian ? |
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| 22:02.14 | frikinz_ | wow didn't know there were so many countries in europe.. apt-spy still going.. not sure if it tells me anything with a 6MB file |
| 22:02.43 | bardzusny | frikinz_: there's sum mismatch |
| 22:02.58 | bardzusny | wait or use switzerland :) |
| 22:03.00 | frikinz_ | bardzusny: ok. for nearly an hour now and the same for 3 days |
| 22:03.03 | frikinz_ | bardzusny: thx |
| 22:03.26 | bardzusny | server staff has a big party |
| 22:04.34 | sharky1 | where is the party i want to go there :D |
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| 22:09.43 | ole | Hiya, I get some weird errors when compiling certain things on my debian-squeeze system |
| 22:09.54 | ole | things like this: error: expected declaration specifiers or â...â before âu_int8_tâ |
| 22:10.08 | ole | How do I get around this? |
| 22:10.55 | gnarface | looks characteristic of locale mismatch |
| 22:11.06 | gnarface | or a bug in something's unicode support |
| 22:11.33 | ole | Thats what I was thinking too, I tried regenerating the locales and set them to en_US.UTF-8, but this didnt solve the problem |
| 22:12.13 | abrotman | did you restart the terminal you were using ? |
| 22:13.17 | ole | no, ill try that, sec |
| 22:13.49 | ole | still the same error |
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| 22:15.11 | gnarface | ole: keep in mind maybe whatever you're doing might rely on a program that has problems with its unicode support - to test that maybe try regenerating the locales to use iso-8859-1 first and then try it again to see if you get the same result. |
| 22:15.45 | ole | I think its the gcc compiler |
| 22:16.02 | ole | it was for some other thing I tried compiling anyway |
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| 22:16.31 | alex- | How can I see how many disk usage I used on /dev/sda ? |
| 22:16.41 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Hello. Can someone either explain or recommend some articles that describe the flow/"workflow"/high level technical details of apt? How it maintains it's datebases, how it searches repositories, how it resolves conflicts "etc"? |
| 22:16.46 | gnarface | alex-: easiest way is df -h |
| 22:16.56 | alex- | df -h /dev/sda ? |
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| 22:17.21 | gnarface | alex-: just "df -h" that should show all mounted filesystems |
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| 22:19.20 | ole | gnarface, it just exits with this error: "error: Setup script exited with error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1" |
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| 22:19.32 | ole | after spitting out those weird characters it cant interpret |
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| 22:20.04 | gnarface | ole: hmm. sorry its above my head then |
| 22:20.09 | alex- | thx |
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| 22:20.55 | tharkun | ole: #gcc on OFTC |
| 22:21.10 | ole | OFTC? |
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| 22:21.19 | tharkun | irc.oftc.net |
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| 22:21.36 | ole | alright, thanks |
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| 22:37.58 | GabrieleV | Hello, I've a problem with LVM. Booting stop saying it can't fsck some lv. Entering root password, I find out that only the lv for the root partition is active. If I issue "vgchange -ay" the lv are activated, and ctrl-d allows me to boot. Suggestions ? |
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| 22:39.50 | abrotman | are they on the same physical drive? |
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| 22:40.31 | blast_hardcheese | GabrieleV: Alter /etc/fstab to bring up those lvs later? |
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| 22:42.10 | GabrieleV | blast_hardcheese, I bring up, let's say lv0 for root (it's ok) lv1 for swap: it is not activated. How do you activate the lvs later ? |
| 22:43.37 | blast_hardcheese | GabrieleV: Disregard, I was incorrect |
| 22:43.44 | thewanderer1 | GabrieleV: first thing to try to make the LVM activate itself on boot would be: update-initramfs -k all -u |
| 22:43.56 | thewanderer1 | it may just detect the LVs it needs to start |
| 22:44.38 | frikinz_ | so apt-spy found the best mirror which is actually.. my ISP.. and tadaaa crc mismatch :- |
| 22:44.51 | GabrieleV | thewanderer1, yep, activated the lvs with vgchange -ay, after i updated initramfs as you suggested. Nope, at the next boot, same situation. |
| 22:45.11 | bardzusny | frikinz_: did you try switzerland? |
| 22:45.23 | indicator | Hello. I have a rather irritating problem (2 actually).. I'll start with 1; When opening gnome-terminal, doing some work (whatever it may be), if I hit alt+tab to do something else and hit alt+tab again to switch back, I cannot input into the terminal unless I play around with ctrl+shift+t, and that only works so often.. It's really really frustrating |
| 22:45.24 | frikinz_ | bardzusny: lol not yet |
| 22:45.39 | frikinz_ | apt-spy took 30mn to complete.. |
| 22:46.09 | bardzusny | frikinz_: I can confirm it works fine (or did half an hour ago) |
| 22:46.10 | bardzusny | apt-spy -a Europe should be somehow faster |
| 22:46.19 | frikinz_ | I changed ISP last week. |
| 22:46.19 | bardzusny | but yeah, many mirrors |
| 22:46.27 | frikinz_ | bardzusny: loooads of german mirrors |
| 22:46.33 | abrotman | probably using cdn.debian.net is better anyway |
| 22:46.38 | indicator | Second, somehow, my wireless keeps dying. After about 13 minutes from boot, I end up with something of the like http://paste.debian.net/168855/ |
| 22:47.03 | indicator | It just started happening, no specific event that had triggered it, at all.. |
| 22:47.23 | indicator | (didn't mess with ANY configs, didn't update, didn't do anything really, just started happening) |
| 22:47.25 | abrotman | indicator: you left out a crapload of details that might be important |
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| 22:47.43 | indicator | abrotman, do elaborate |
| 22:47.56 | abrotman | indicator: which version of linux? which WM? which DE? |
| 22:48.03 | bardzusny | indicator: ath9k is quite new driver, which kernel do you have (or at least debian version)? |
| 22:48.45 | abrotman | indicator: what is 'uname -r' ? |
| 22:49.12 | indicator | abrotman, 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 22:49.31 | abrotman | indicator: and you haven't mixed in backports or any other 3rd party repository? |
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| 22:49.41 | bardzusny | indicator: all I can say is that ath9k is quite new, you may want to upgrade kernel |
| 22:49.53 | abrotman | he said it used to work just fine ? |
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| 22:50.02 | indicator | Yes, it worked perfectly fine |
| 22:50.12 | bardzusny | oh |
| 22:50.21 | bardzusny | sorry, somehow I missed that... |
| 22:50.33 | abrotman | indicator: look in /var/log/dpkg.log .. what changed recently? |
| 22:50.34 | indicator | I have mixed in testing and unfortunately, I think that may have affected something somewhere, but that was a long while ago |
| 22:50.38 | indicator | these problems are fresh |
| 22:50.48 | indicator | abrotman, one sec |
| 22:50.59 | thewanderer1 | GabrieleV: initramfs should normally activate all VGs that it finds. is your swap VG on some kind of USB device? it could be detected slowly. |
| 22:51.05 | tharkun | Gentlemen I have two computers with almost the same packages installed. While printing or generating pdf documents, one does respect font sizes Times News Roman 20 pts, the other one doesn't. Both have the same fonts, same monitor, same printer. Anyone has any aditional ideas on where to look for differences? I'm out of my wits |
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| 22:52.02 | tharkun | The problem rised when the failing machine was updated to squeeze |
| 22:52.02 | abrotman | monospace for all! |
| 22:52.20 | abrotman | tharkun: but the packages and versions are the same? |
| 22:52.27 | frikinz_ | bardzusny: swiss=> slow 1MB/s. but that's ok, I'll wait for the mirrors at my isp to settle. |
| 22:52.29 | tharkun | abrotman: yes |
| 22:53.07 | frikinz_ | bardzusny: quite stable nevertheless, will do for my tests |
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| 22:53.34 | bardzusny | slow 1MB/s, my connection is really ancient... |
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| 22:53.44 | bardzusny | 'slow' 1MB/s? man... :) |
| 22:53.51 | tharkun | abrotman: The most frustrating problems on this network is printing. Totally depressing |
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| 22:55.45 | frikinz_ | bardzusny: lol I'm probably 1km from the DSL concentrator. Friends at 5km have fiber 100Mbit/s.. |
| 22:55.53 | abrotman | tharkun: i don't own a printer .. i print about three things a month at work |
| 22:56.08 | blast_hardcheese | Three things a month? That's a lot. |
| 22:56.14 | bardzusny | frikinz_: France? |
| 22:56.18 | tharkun | abrotman: thanks for the support. Billing department is not your stuff :D |
| 22:56.20 | bardzusny | wait, let me whois you |
| 22:56.22 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: mostly things like "print at home" tickets :) |
| 22:56.40 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: Oh yeah, I do that sometimes :) |
| 22:56.55 | abrotman | blast_hardcheese: sometimes a project list sheet .. |
| 22:57.02 | abrotman | (for a meeting where we review them) |
| 22:57.09 | blast_hardcheese | I've forgotten a couple times and just shown the nice people at the window my smartphone with the tickets up on it and a barcode, they scan the phone and they're done |
| 22:57.12 | GabrieleV | thewanderer1, It's fsck that complains ... mmh.. I have to check fstab for fsck priorities |
| 22:57.13 | abrotman | tharkun: are your cups settings the same ? |
| 22:57.16 | boudiccas | can anyone help me please with this situation .... I'm looking for is a script to go through my |
| 22:57.17 | boudiccas | /home/foo/Music directory converting all the album titles with spaces in to |
| 22:57.17 | boudiccas | convert them to underscores. |
| 22:57.26 | abrotman | boudiccas: man rename |
| 22:57.32 | frikinz_ | bardzusny: yes france, few places have fiber. whois won't help ;) |
| 22:57.33 | tharkun | abrotman: yes, standard stock |
| 22:57.45 | thewanderer1 | GabrieleV: wait, is it swap space? maybe you shouldn't be fscking swap in the first place |
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| 22:58.31 | abrotman | tharkun: tried different PDF viewers to see if it's the viewer or the printer settings? |
| 22:58.45 | indicator | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/NKRdYrHH |
| 22:58.55 | bardzusny | whois didn't help |
| 22:58.57 | indicator | that was after this mornings's update |
| 22:59.02 | GabrieleV | thewanderer1, not only swap ;) I have a total of 5 lvs. Naturally swap space is not included in fscking .. |
| 22:59.13 | indicator | AFTER these issues became more and more prominent |
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| 22:59.33 | bardzusny | frikinz_: I always get jealous when I hear about these fast connections :) |
| 22:59.34 | n-iCe | hello, I installed Debian stable 64bits |
| 22:59.43 | n-iCe | My built-in micrphone is not working |
| 22:59.48 | bardzusny | and also when someone talks about i7 and his 8gb of ram |
| 23:00.03 | abrotman | indicator: oh jeez .. your kernel is woefully out of date for running wheezy |
| 23:00.12 | bardzusny | n-iCe: does it show up in mixer? (I use alsamixer) |
| 23:00.26 | abrotman | indicator: you're not running squeeze/stable ... your kernel indicates you are .. |
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| 23:00.28 | GabrieleV | thewanderer1, here is my fstab: http://pastebin.com/QmEcQ8n0 Why fsck tries to fscking all the other lvs even if they have pass=2 ? |
| 23:00.36 | indicator | abrotman, even so, does that account for these new random issues? |
| 23:00.39 | abrotman | indicator: when your system isn't fully up to date, all sorts of weird tihngs can happen |
| 23:00.43 | frikinz_ | bardzusny: I'm actually loosing total connectivity to this damned new router from time to time so I have 0 sometimes, if that helps :) |
| 23:00.50 | n-iCe | bardzusny: yes |
| 23:00.51 | abrotman | indicator: for your wifi, quite possibly .. not sure about the other .. not sure oyu mentioned your WM/DE |
| 23:01.05 | thewanderer1 | GabrieleV: why, I don't know... what I know is they should be started at boot |
| 23:01.07 | indicator | abrotman, I did, it was gnome3 |
| 23:01.23 | tharkun | abrotman: yes, i tried quite a few (all that i could muster from debians' repositories) |
| 23:01.30 | bardzusny | frikinz_: :) |
| 23:01.31 | abrotman | indicator: i can't guarantee your wifi will become more stable .. but using userland tools that expect one kernel, and yours is two years older .. who knows |
| 23:01.36 | abrotman | tharkun: evince? |
| 23:01.44 | GabrieleV | thewanderer1, in the booting process i see that LVM starts after fsck |
| 23:01.44 | tharkun | abrotman: the first one |
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| 23:01.55 | abrotman | indicator: i have gnome3 here .. don't have that issue here .. have you tried a new user to see if the same thing happens? |
| 23:02.00 | boudiccas | abrotman: thanks for your quick response, but you sayingthat rename can replace the spaces with underscores in the titles of the albums only, not in the files itself ? |
| 23:02.01 | indicator | abrotman, whoa, that's really old |
| 23:02.03 | n-iCe | bardzusny: was muted, I enabled it and turn up the volume, but still does not work in record sound |
| 23:02.03 | abrotman | tharkun: and xpdf ? |
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| 23:02.06 | tharkun | actually i've found xpdf quite more robust than evince |
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| 23:02.18 | thewanderer1 | GabrieleV: so does the VG during boot? do you see messages that VGs were activated? |
| 23:02.19 | abrotman | boudiccas: what is your file structure? |
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| 23:02.42 | tharkun | abrotman: i even installed debian with kde to check some that are meant for it |
| 23:02.50 | indicator | abrotman, so hold on. After I updated, update manager asked me if I wanted to update a bit more.. I tried and it would let me. "E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages." |
| 23:02.58 | abrotman | indicator: can you install linux-image-686 ? |
| 23:03.07 | indicator | checking |
| 23:03.09 | abrotman | indicator: ugh .. i wonder how out of date things are ... |
| 23:03.16 | abrotman | judd: versions linux-image-686 |
| 23:03.17 | judd | Package: linux-image-686 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+44~bpo60+1; sid: 3.2+44; wheezy: 3.2+44 |
| 23:03.25 | boudiccas | abrotman: sorry? i have the title foobar like this, followed by foobar.mp3 in the next line. is that what you meant? |
| 23:03.26 | tharkun | abrotman: Actually i believe it is something that gs is missing when generating the pdf. I just don't know what the problem might be |
| 23:03.27 | bardzusny | install linux-image-686-pae! |
| 23:03.32 | abrotman | indicator: and what does "aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade' say ? |
| 23:03.35 | bardzusny | (like it matters anyhow) |
| 23:03.39 | abrotman | bardzusny: linux-image-686 will install that |
| 23:03.48 | bardzusny | oh |
| 23:03.50 | bardzusny | :) |
| 23:04.00 | abrotman | judd: depends linux-image-686 --release wheezy |
| 23:04.01 | sergiufreenode | Hi |
| 23:04.01 | judd | Package linux-image-686 in wheezy/i386 -- depends: linux-image-686-pae, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0. |
| 23:04.16 | sergiufreenode | who is the women that sleep with mans in not marrige? |
| 23:04.23 | sergiufreenode | :) |
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| 23:04.31 | abrotman | sergiufreenode: try #defocus |
| 23:04.32 | GabrieleV | thewanderer1, the error messages about the missing lvs comes in early boot stage, and is issued by fsck. After that I am aty the ctrl-d prompt. I insert root password. Issue vgchange -ay. Continue booting with ctrl-d. After startig pther services, LVM starts too, finding all active lvs ... |
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| 23:05.08 | indicator | abrotman, downloading latest kernel. Will get back to you in a sec |
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| 23:05.28 | abrotman | indicator: good luck |
| 23:05.29 | thewanderer1 | GabrieleV: there is a script in the initramfs that starts VGs, at least in Squeeze. are you on Squeeze? can you verify that the script is placed in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/lvm2? |
| 23:05.59 | GabrieleV | thewanderer1, Yes, I'm on squeeze. Let me check. |
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| 23:06.56 | GabrieleV | thewanderer1, Yes, I have /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/lvm2 |
| 23:07.02 | n-iCe | Hello I just installed Debian stable 64bits but the built-in laptop mic is not working I use a sony vaio VGN-CS170F alsa mixer, http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/screenshotlr.png/ |
| 23:08.01 | thewanderer1 | GabrieleV: paste the output of "mount" |
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| 23:08.46 | GabrieleV | Here it is mount: http://pastebin.com/Dc2EiguS |
| 23:08.59 | GabrieleV | thewanderer1, Here it is mount: http://pastebin.com/Dc2EiguS |
| 23:09.12 | bardzusny | n-iCe: arecord works? |
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| 23:10.13 | n-iCe | bardzusny: no idea, should I type that in a terminal? |
| 23:10.18 | thewanderer1 | GabrieleV: I see that /boot is not mounted. are you really making GRUB boot off LVM2? |
| 23:10.19 | indicator | abrotman, it looks as if I can at least download now.. Let's see what happens. I will reboot shortly (hopefully, there will be no hostility) |
| 23:10.30 | bardzusny | n-iCe: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/SoundcardTesting |
| 23:10.33 | bardzusny | (bottom) |
| 23:10.46 | GabrieleV | thewanderer1, Yes, it works on all my machines |
| 23:11.04 | abrotman | indicator: ugh .. i know it's not fun to jump that many kernels |
| 23:11.28 | thewanderer1 | GabrieleV: you could add some kind of debugging into the script (like an echo), update-initramfs -k all -u; and see if it gets executed at all |
| 23:11.31 | tharkun_ | abrotman: If you get any other idea pleas highlight me or pm me. I'll try them tomorrow morning. |
| 23:12.20 | GabrieleV | thewanderer1, It gets executed, because the root one lv0, is activated |
| 23:13.36 | abrotman | tharkun_: yeah .. stop printing! |
| 23:13.49 | abrotman | tharkun_: ghostscript seems like a possible issue if you don't have that |
| 23:13.53 | abrotman | or he can run away ... |
| 23:14.08 | abrotman | wonders if tharkun knows i can't PM him if he's not on FN ... |
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| 23:16.37 | n-iCe | bardzusny: done, does not work |
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| 23:21.29 | bardzusny | n-iCe: type alsamixer in terminal, press f4, try unmuting all of these |
| 23:21.35 | bardzusny | that's my only idea |
| 23:21.45 | n-iCe | bardzusny: http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/5993/screenshot2wwo.png |
| 23:21.46 | n-iCe | I have done it |
| 23:21.49 | n-iCe | is not working |
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| 23:22.24 | abrotman | indicator: still alive out there? |
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| 23:22.45 | indicator | abrotman, still alive |
| 23:22.55 | bardzusny | n-iCe: sorry, no idea... |
| 23:23.27 | frikinz_ | meanwhile this solves my problem: echo 'Acquire::Languages "none";' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99no-translation |
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| 23:24.05 | indicator | abrotman, I hated doing any kind of update in gentoo, be it a years worth or a few hours worth.. Every time I rebooted, all hell broke loose. Those were back in the ricer days, so who knows what's going on now |
| 23:24.19 | indicator | abrotman, but yeah, skipping that many kernels, eh... |
| 23:25.06 | abrotman | indicator: i wonder how many other packages are out of date |
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| 23:25.34 | mick_laptop | gezgin: hey, are you the same person as gez? |
| 23:25.54 | n-iCe | netinstall installs stable? |
| 23:26.07 | ranix | netinstall installs whatever you tell it to |
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| 23:26.22 | ranix | there are different netinstall cds or images for each release |
| 23:26.26 | n-iCe | ranix: ok, once I boot up from netinstall cd it asks me for? |
| 23:26.30 | n-iCe | ranix: could not find |
| 23:26.35 | n-iCe | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 23:26.44 | n-iCe | where does stable testing or unstable are |
| 23:26.46 | indicator | abrotman, I wouldn't be surprised if they all were... |
| 23:26.51 | ranix | just install stable with nothing except base and dist-upgrade |
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| 23:26.53 | abrotman | indicator: we'll find out shortl |
| 23:26.54 | abrotman | y |
| 23:26.59 | ranix | if you want wheezy |
| 23:27.08 | ranix | and if you wanted sid you wouldn't be askins :P |
| 23:27.11 | n-iCe | I think I'm gonna install testing, since my built-in mic does not work in stable somehow |
| 23:27.12 | ranix | asking* |
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| 23:27.23 | n-iCe | ranix: I did not get you |
| 23:27.28 | abrotman | ranix: run away |
| 23:27.46 | bardzusny | n-iCe: you can choose distribution when you choose expert mode |
| 23:27.50 | ranix | haha |
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| 23:28.14 | gezgin | mick_laptop: No, I'm not. |
| 23:28.18 | n-iCe | I see |
| 23:28.32 | ranix | n-iCe: you can upgrade from stable to testing via "apt-get dist-upgrade" after editing sources.list to s/stable/testing/g or s/squeeze/wheezy/g |
| 23:28.46 | n-iCe | oh really? |
| 23:28.49 | ranix | yep |
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| 23:28.52 | n-iCe | so no need to do a clean install |
| 23:28.55 | ranix | apt is great |
| 23:28.56 | n-iCe | let me edit my sources list |
| 23:28.57 | ranix | right |
| 23:29.02 | abrotman | ranix: really .. not a good plan |
| 23:29.05 | ranix | also see apt-cache and apt-file |
| 23:29.18 | ranix | abrotman: there's nothing wrong with dist upgrading a fresh install |
| 23:29.33 | abrotman | for him there is |
| 23:29.39 | ranix | it's fool proof |
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| 23:29.58 | ranix | fool resistant to 20ml |
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| 23:30.12 | bardzusny | ranix: dist-upgrade to testing/unstable is never fool-proof :p |
| 23:30.33 | n-iCe | uhm |
| 23:30.44 | n-iCe | moved to http://pastebin.com/u7ZCYCa6 |
| 23:30.52 | n-iCe | should I just apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 23:30.58 | ranix | n-iCe: I think yes |
| 23:31.05 | n-iCe | ranix: update is not needed before? |
| 23:31.13 | ranix | well yes you need to update |
| 23:31.18 | ranix | or it will just do nothing |
| 23:31.22 | n-iCe | done |
| 23:31.34 | ranix | remember this is a stupid way to fix your microphone |
| 23:31.34 | n-iCe | wheezy |
| 23:31.38 | n-iCe | lol |
| 23:31.39 | n-iCe | why |
| 23:32.07 | n-iCe | dist-upgrade time |
| 23:32.36 | n-iCe | damn, errors |
| 23:32.36 | n-iCe | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy-updates/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 130.89.148.12 80] |
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| 23:33.13 | themill | n-iCe: and why do you suppose that repo would exist? |
| 23:33.34 | ranix | because I told him just to sed substitute |
| 23:33.45 | ranix | n-iCe: you can just remove that line from sources.list |
| 23:33.50 | ranix | that repo doesn't exist |
| 23:34.05 | abrotman | now you see why it was a bad idea |
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| 23:34.08 | ranix | same thing for the security lines, I don't believe testing gets security updates |
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| 23:34.48 | n-iCe | so just 2 are needed, two lines |
| 23:34.52 | n-iCe | uhm |
| 23:34.58 | bardzusny | ranix: it does, but they're lower priority than stable |
| 23:35.22 | abrotman | in practice, it does not |
| 23:35.26 | n-iCe | Need to get 931 MB of archives. |
| 23:35.44 | ranix | yep, you're basically downloading everything again |
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| 23:35.54 | n-iCe | that's more than if I download the clean testing iso! |
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| 23:36.08 | abrotman | ... |
| 23:36.36 | ranix | so download the iso if you don't like it |
| 23:36.51 | bfig | hello. i'm having trouble with internet. as you can see, i can connect to freenode... i can also connect through chromium by http, but whenever i try iceweasel/pidgin i get a DNS error |
| 23:37.15 | dizzylizzy | I <3 lsof |
| 23:37.30 | bfig | is there a reasonable thing that could make this happen? |
| 23:37.43 | dizzylizzy | perhaps your gnome proxy settings? |
| 23:37.53 | bfig | how do i check them? |
| 23:37.58 | bfig | i'm using xfce |
| 23:38.04 | dizzylizzy | aha, nevermind then |
| 23:38.06 | bfig | unless you are talking about other gnome |
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| 23:38.24 | ranix | xfce does use some gnome environment things so that's not a terrible idea |
| 23:38.31 | abrotman | bfig: which version of linux? xfce? |
| 23:38.45 | bfig | debian wheezy with kernel 3.1 |
| 23:38.50 | bfig | wait |
| 23:38.54 | bfig | let me uname |
| 23:39.06 | abrotman | you mean 3.2 ? |
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| 23:39.25 | indicator | Pretty sure it's 3.2 |
| 23:39.31 | abrotman | it is, or should be anyway |
| 23:39.38 | n-iCe | ok I downloaded netinstall iso |
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| 23:39.46 | n-iCe | I will try testing |
| 23:39.50 | n-iCe | expert mode, right ranix ? |
| 23:39.59 | ranix | yes, because you are an expert |
| 23:40.03 | abrotman | you realize you'[ll have to download all of that stuff again ? |
| 23:40.10 | ranix | btw the net install mode downloads things from the internet you know' |
| 23:40.13 | abrotman | n-iCe: this is why you should NOT be running testing/unstable |
| 23:40.29 | n-iCe | I want to use mi microphone |
| 23:40.43 | ranix | so fix your microphone in stable |
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| 23:40.47 | n-iCe | I have asked, I have not seen any other solution instead using a newer version of everything, since my mic works in ubuntu and linuxmint |
| 23:40.54 | n-iCe | Sadly I don't want those distros |
| 23:41.06 | indicator | do you know what the issue is? |
| 23:41.21 | ranix | sound problems are usually fixed by spamming alsa* commands and messing with alsactl and alsamixer |
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| 23:41.39 | n-iCe | ranix: well, guys have tried in here, no success |
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| 23:41.46 | n-iCe | all in alsamixer is up, and unmuted |
| 23:42.27 | bfig | abrotman, bfv@localhost:/home/bfv/wk/f/compgraf/repos/proy$ uname -r |
| 23:42.27 | bfig | 3.1.0-1-amd64 |
| 23:42.32 | indicator | :o |
| 23:42.41 | bfig | is this a.. problem? |
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| 23:42.48 | JJCale | Hi There's something very wrong with aptitude. When I do an <aptitude install k3b> 75 packages are automatically installed. But if I immediately do and <aptitude purge k3b> only 8 packages are removed!!! And the other unused 68 packages are not required by anyother installed package! How can I solve this problem? |
| 23:42.53 | ranix | well there's nothing wrong with installing wheezy so knock your socks off |
| 23:43.25 | ranix | but if/when you figure out the problem you might want to consider going back to running stable to avoid more severe issues |
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| 23:43.34 | bfig | but what about the weird problem related to dns/(w/e) |
| 23:43.46 | bfig | ranix, the other day opengl automagically stopped working after an update |
| 23:43.49 | GabrieleV | thewanderer1, SOLVED: looked at rc files, and found out that checkfs was run before lvm. Checked if dependancy boot was setup, and found that wasnt. Issued dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc, and the order fo rc files was rewritten. Now it works like a charm ! |
| 23:44.07 | bfig | that was a bigger problem, luckily some people in #ati figured it out |
| 23:44.29 | indicator | what is it to process a trigger? |
| 23:44.46 | abrotman | bfig: try doing a strace |
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| 23:44.50 | thewanderer1 | GabrieleV: glad you've managed to fixed it! |
| 23:45.16 | GabrieleV | thewanderer1, hope this could be useful to you and others in future ;) |
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| 23:47.45 | n-iCe | ranix: I read I can't go back to testing to stable |
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| 23:48.30 | abrotman | indicator: like your package upgrades? |
| 23:48.38 | indicator | Yeah |
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| 23:52.12 | JJCale | Hi There's something very wrong with aptitude. When I do an <aptitude install k3b> 75 packages are automatically installed. But if I immediately do an <aptitude purge k3b> only 8 packages are removed!!! And the other unused 68 packages are not required by anyother installed package! How can I solve this problem? |
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| 23:56.06 | peterrooney | JJCale: apt-get. particularly, apt-get --purge autoremove |
| 23:56.28 | boycottFB | JJCale, "purge" ? isnt it better to use "apt-get remove k3b" ? |
| 23:56.44 | JJCale | peterrooney: it doesn't work |
| 23:56.52 | peterrooney | notes that aptitude is not a superset of apt-get |
| 23:57.01 | JJCale | boycottFB: it does not work either |
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| 23:57.19 | peterrooney | JJCale: I always use deborphan and manual intervention in cases like this |
| 23:57.42 | bardzusny | aptitude should handle unneeded packages nicely |
| 23:57.49 | bardzusny | i.e. kick them out |
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| 23:58.17 | boycottFB | JJCale, maybe you installed somthing else that use some of those package |
| 23:58.36 | boycottFB | and now there're dependency problems |
| 23:58.42 | JJCale | peterrooney: in cases like this deborphan is not working... And manual solution in cases like this is not the expected solution... aptitude should automaticalled remove the 68 anused packages... |
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