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| 00:03.24 | thewanderer1 | as expected, it never fails when watched. |
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| 00:03.57 | FDFlock | thewanderer1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenbug |
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| 00:06.42 | kc8qvp | There's a package that, when I install it, auto-starts its service. I need it to not do that. What's the easiest way to accomplish that? |
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| 00:07.15 | kc8qvp | like, I need to do, apt-get install, place config files, start service. instead I have apt-get install -> starts service without config files in place, and that messes me up. |
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| 00:18.18 | siliconestyle | you all told me earlier that i can install debian with just the first DVD. Can I also install it with just the first CD? |
| 00:19.14 | siliconestyle | Nevermind, says it on the site. |
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| 00:19.56 | jpinx | !tell siliconestyle about netinstall |
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| 00:20.20 | siliconestyle | Thanks |
| 00:21.39 | antiisolo | hey, so mylaptop is dualedwith debian and win7.. i went to 7 to do a full disc ecryption, but said it couldnt do so because of how the partitions was, so i went to restart, and now my laptop gets to "grub loading.." then reboot loop |
| 00:21.50 | antiisolo | anyway I can fix this? |
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| 00:25.44 | kdebase | i've installed debian netinst+kde-baseapps..anyone can tell me how can I install config panel for kde? |
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| 00:30.03 | simonlnu | kdebase: it's called systemsettings now |
| 00:31.14 | kdebase | simonlnu, thank youuu :) |
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| 00:42.38 | Viktorious | I'm using a 64 bit 2.6.32 kernel. If I'm compiling a 3.3.1 kernel, how do I make sure it's 64 bit rather than 32 bit? |
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| 00:45.38 | antiisolo | no ideas for grub? :/ |
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| 00:51.06 | sudoman | antiisolo, how about trying to boot from a GNU/Linux live CD and try to reinstall grub from a chroot. |
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| 00:51.41 | sudoman | was the GNU/Linux partition working before? |
| 00:51.51 | antiisolo | I am downloading ubuntu live right now. I will look into chroot |
| 00:51.58 | antiisolo | yeah it was fine |
| 00:52.18 | sudoman | and then you encrypted your windows partition? |
| 00:52.49 | antiisolo | i jst wanted to use truecrypt, and i seen i can do the whole drive, but whe i chose multi-boot, it said error because my boot wasnt the same parition of windows |
| 00:52.50 | sudoman | windows may have overwritten your grub install |
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| 00:53.21 | sudoman | or messed with it |
| 00:53.24 | antiisolo | the encryption didnt even start.. didnt write a passkey, or choose an encrypton type |
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| 00:54.51 | sudoman | weird. but you'll want to use the grub-install command in the chroot. if you don't use the croot, that wouldn't fix your problem. |
| 00:54.52 | sudoman | *won't |
| 00:55.52 | sudoman | Viktorious, I don't know the proper debian configuration method, since they add another layer on top of the default source package, but you could always try running "make menuconfig" in the kernel source directory |
| 00:56.05 | sudoman | but that may not play nice with debian patches and build methods |
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| 00:56.15 | antiisolo | ok ill look into it thanks sudoman |
| 00:56.30 | sudoman | if you're on a 64 bit system, i wouldn't be surprised if it will build 64 bit by default. |
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| 00:57.42 | sudoman | Viktorious, http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-official |
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| 00:58.46 | FDFlock | antiisolo: Windows (all versions) is known for not playing nice with other operating systems on the same computer |
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| 01:00.03 | FDFlock | antiisolo: you can also use your debian netinstall CD for chrooting |
| 01:00.29 | sudoman | FDFlock, that's true, and it would be easier, since you don't have to know all the preliminary commands |
| 01:01.16 | FDFlock | not sure about the latter... |
| 01:02.30 | sudoman | i seem to remember some option to do that... maybe it's a rescue mode or something. or selecting the target partition then aborting the installation |
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| 01:09.54 | xSmurf | hey all, does anyone know how I can make the intervals between brightness steps bigger? in osx there's a 5 or 10% interval but in debian/gnome the interval is 20% and it's very unpleasant |
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| 15:01.17 | jordanm | you can just create a second PV and add it to VG, but I am not sure how that affects performance from a SAN |
| 15:01.48 | twobitsprite | you can "echo '- - -' > /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/scan", but that doesn't always seem to work |
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| 15:06.58 | jelly-home | ws2k3: a slightly less simple one is to become root, chown the current `tty` to destination user, su to that user and then reattach |
| 15:07.26 | phuzion | jordanm: theoretically, what would be needed to qualify a release as something that would get patched into stable? |
| 15:07.51 | phuzion | because the package I'm looking at has an issue with the version that is currently in stable that causes some pretty big issues |
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| 15:08.27 | jordanm | phuzion: it needs to be marked as a release critical bug. the patch would be backported, a new upstream release would typically not be an option. what is the bug #? |
| 15:08.31 | twobitsprite | phuzion: generally only security fixes are backported to stable |
| 15:08.49 | twobitsprite | phuzion: did you not find your package in backports? |
| 15:08.56 | jordanm | twobitsprite: RC bug fixes make it into point releases |
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| 15:09.29 | twobitsprite | jordanm: true, but you have to wait for a point release :) I think he's looking for a quicker solution |
| 15:10.02 | phuzion | twobitsprite: I only found it available in testing, it's not looking like it'll be able to be installed without a compile |
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| 15:10.12 | jordanm | phuzion: what is the bug number? |
| 15:10.27 | phuzion | Not sure if it has been reported on debian's bugtracker |
| 15:10.41 | twobitsprite | phuzion: what package is it, and what version do you need? |
| 15:10.44 | jordanm | then it definately will not get fixed |
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| 15:11.00 | valdyn | sounds like someone is probably not even sure if the bug is even in debian |
| 15:11.10 | moujik | Hi! Is KDE the best WM for video playback? |
| 15:11.20 | twobitsprite | !best |
| 15:11.20 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 15:11.38 | valdyn | moujik: why would one wm be better than any other for video playback? |
| 15:11.38 | twobitsprite | hmm, that factoid must have changed recently |
| 15:11.41 | phuzion | valdyn: It's not a debian bug. It's a bug in a package that was resolved by the upstream devs, but the old buggy version is still being distributed by debian |
| 15:12.08 | moujik | one that uses less resources |
| 15:12.18 | twobitsprite | moujik: lxde |
| 15:12.20 | phuzion | twobitsprite: quassel and I would like 0.7.3-2 if possible |
| 15:12.28 | twobitsprite | ,versions quassel |
| 15:12.29 | judd | Package: quassel on i386 -- lenny-backports: 0.5.1-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.6.3-2+squeeze2; sid: 0.7.3-2; wheezy: 0.7.3-2 |
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| 15:12.49 | moujik | XFCE is lighter, but it lights up the system playing vlc or flash |
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| 15:13.18 | FDFlock | moujik: The WM shouldn't really matter during video playback |
| 15:13.19 | jordanm | moujik: that shouldn't have anything to do with DE |
| 15:13.21 | phuzion | Basically, the reason I would like to see it get updated in stable is because there's a bug where a specifically crafted CTCP packet could crash the IRC core of the program, rendering it useless until the core is restarted |
| 15:13.41 | valdyn | phuzion: thats a security bug |
| 15:13.48 | valdyn | phuzion: are you sure its not fixed in debian? |
| 15:14.03 | jordanm | phuzion: sounds like a security vulnerability. file a bug, tag it security and link the fix. they will likely backport a fix |
| 15:14.04 | twobitsprite | phuzion: you should report that to debian... sounds like a security bug which should be backported |
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| 15:14.22 | phuzion | awesome, gimme a few minutes to file the bug |
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| 15:14.40 | moujik | How come I can play 1080 youtube videos on KDE, but on XFCE and iceweasel it gets choppy? |
| 15:15.04 | valdyn | moujik: what is the player in kde? |
| 15:15.25 | moujik | the same flash plugin for firefox |
| 15:15.37 | FDFlock | moujik: Are you using a compositing WM? What's your video card? |
| 15:15.47 | valdyn | moujik: so you are saying the browser is identical in both cases? |
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| 15:15.56 | moujik | nvidia gt 430 |
| 15:16.24 | moujik | firefox for KDE, iceweasel for XFCE |
| 15:16.28 | valdyn | moujik: what else is different between those 2 setups? |
| 15:16.47 | jelly-home | phuzion: that counts as a DoS, a security issue that typically would get patched in stable. |
| 15:17.01 | jelly-home | ... and I'm slow |
| 15:17.03 | phuzion | jelly-home: got it. I'm going through and reporting the bug now |
| 15:17.09 | valdyn | and that sure as hell might not be only a DoS |
| 15:17.29 | FDFlock | phuzion: Which app are we talking about? (I missed it) |
| 15:17.40 | twobitsprite | indeed, it's possible there could be an opportunity for code injection, depending on the nature of the bug |
| 15:17.51 | phuzion | FDFlock: quassel |
| 15:17.58 | FDFlock | phuzion: Oh, thank you. |
| 15:18.09 | valdyn | the bug is already reported |
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| 15:18.15 | phuzion | valdyn: link? |
| 15:18.19 | valdyn | and fixed |
| 15:18.43 | phuzion | brb |
| 15:18.44 | valdyn | phuzion: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=597853 |
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| 15:18.51 | valdyn | phuzion: you could have googled that yourself btw |
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| 15:19.16 | moujik | first is mandriva 10.2 with xorg.conf using 1920x1080 LCD resampled to 1200x720. Second is debian squeeze XFCE using native 1920x1080 |
| 15:19.17 | jordanm | fixed in squeeze too |
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| 15:20.19 | valdyn | moujik: so maybe the reason is the different native resolution |
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| 15:20.32 | valdyn | moujik: not something else you're just making up |
| 15:20.32 | moujik | no it's the same monitor |
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| 15:20.51 | valdyn | moujik: its "resampled to 1200x700" |
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| 15:21.18 | valdyn | moujik: your monitor is quite irrelevant |
| 15:21.34 | moujik | debian has got no xorg.conf |
| 15:21.57 | valdyn | moujik: that could mean that you are using different drivers |
| 15:22.10 | valdyn | moujik: which again would be a reasonable explanation |
| 15:22.57 | moujik | so it would be the same for debian KDE? |
| 15:23.06 | valdyn | moujik: sure |
| 15:23.24 | valdyn | moujik: i dont know where you get the idea what its a matter of your wm |
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| 15:24.25 | moujik | because I see browser devouring CPU and RAM much more in XFCE |
| 15:24.52 | moujik | then in heavier KDE, which makes KDE lighter |
| 15:24.54 | valdyn | moujik: correlation != causality |
| 15:25.18 | hoverbear | Anyone on wheezy with tranmission installed? Getting ERROR:open-dialog.c:284:gtr_torrent_options_dialog_new: code should not be reached |
| 15:25.19 | twobitsprite | moujik: is this even the same hardware? |
| 15:25.20 | hoverbear | Aborted |
| 15:25.30 | moujik | yes dual boot |
| 15:26.02 | valdyn | moujik: check your X drivers, which ones you are using that is, and make the display resolution identical |
| 15:26.18 | valdyn | moujik: your kde has nothing whatsoever to do with this |
| 15:26.21 | FDFlock | moujik: both 32bit or both 64bit? Which versions of the flash plugin and ...icefox? |
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| 15:26.49 | FDFlock | also, are you using nouveau or the nvidia proprietary drivers? |
| 15:26.58 | moujik | both 64bit flash 10.3 is the last one before they cut harware acceleration |
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| 15:28.35 | FDFlock | moujik: I see, it's strange that you can see any difference. It's probably the different resolution, perhaps the upsampling algorithm of the plugin is extremely slow (if the upsampling isn't done by the GPU) |
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| 15:30.23 | raptor67682 | a question. how to fsck a disk of a server while running without touch /forcefsck while working ( the server shall keep working) ? / is on its disk and /server/disk on another disk |
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| 15:30.58 | FDFlock | raptor67682: AFAIK, you cannot, unless you mount the partition read-only |
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| 15:31.45 | moujik | But I'm using native resolution on XFCE, can't even change it. |
| 15:32.34 | moujik | When I installed debian squeeze xfce it only gave me an option 800x600 and 600x640 |
| 15:32.56 | FDFlock | moujik: And you shouldn't change it, native is the only acceptable resolution |
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| 15:33.08 | moujik | so I was told |
| 15:33.41 | moujik | but is it too much for Iceweasel? |
| 15:33.51 | moujik | to handle |
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| 15:34.15 | FDFlock | of course not, iceweasel does not matter, nor does it have any problem with high resolutions |
| 15:34.30 | FDFlock | it's the combination of plugin/GPU drivers |
| 15:35.00 | moujik | can it be solved? |
| 15:35.02 | FDFlock | blame Adobe for the crap that we're being force-fed all these years |
| 15:35.33 | FDFlock | I'm really thankful that this horrible plugin is dying the slow death that it deserves |
| 15:35.34 | moujik | I wanna watch NBA |
| 15:35.58 | moujik | me too |
| 15:36.29 | FDFlock | moujik: I guess you can try the semi-experimental HTML5 version of youtube? |
| 15:36.43 | FDFlock | what's your iceweasel version? |
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| 15:37.13 | moujik | I'm not too bothered about youtube it's NBA. Iceweasel 11.0 |
| 15:37.34 | FDFlock | Iceweasel 11 does support HTML5 |
| 15:37.38 | phuzion | valdyn: Apparently the bug you found was a separate CTCP handling issue. The one I'm talking about is noted here: http://quassel-irc.com/node/117 |
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| 15:38.10 | moujik | NBA league pass does not yrt |
| 15:38.13 | moujik | yet |
| 15:38.21 | phuzion | ,versions quassel |
| 15:38.21 | FDFlock | i see |
| 15:38.22 | judd | Package: quassel on i386 -- lenny-backports: 0.5.1-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.6.3-2+squeeze2; sid: 0.7.3-2; wheezy: 0.7.3-2 |
| 15:38.58 | moujik | can it somehow be iceweasel vs firefox? |
| 15:39.01 | jelly-home | moujik: 32 or 64bit debian? I find adobe flash on 32bit with Chrome or Firefox to be relatively stable |
| 15:39.25 | moujik | 64 |
| 15:39.44 | jelly-home | moujik: youtube even has hw video acceleration on this GT220 (with nvidia drivers) |
| 15:39.57 | jelly-home | moujik: try a 32bit distro. |
| 15:40.11 | moujik | Iceweasel? |
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| 15:40.34 | jelly-home | I'm using real Chrome from Google, and real Firefox from Mozilla |
| 15:40.51 | jelly-home | not the open-source imitations! |
| 15:41.06 | moujik | so there is a difference? |
| 15:41.08 | rasusto | >OPEN SOURCE |
| 15:41.12 | rasusto | >IMITATION |
| 15:41.53 | moujik | still, I don't wanna use Chrome |
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| 15:41.59 | jordanm | phuzion: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=640960 |
| 15:41.59 | jelly-home | moujik: chrome comes with its own adobe flash build. There _ought to_ be no differences in Firefox vs. Iceweasel apart from User-Agent |
| 15:42.17 | rasusto | use chromium |
| 15:42.41 | jelly-home | Chromium does not come with its own Adobe Flash. |
| 15:43.08 | moujik | I hate google |
| 15:43.18 | jelly-home | moujik: amusingly I find Chrome the more stable, and use that for throwaway links and flash. |
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| 15:44.33 | moujik | I don't trust google |
| 15:44.52 | phuzion | jordanm: Ok, so someone knows about it. It's been 6 months, and no one has gotten the package updated into stable. What do I do now? |
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| 15:45.10 | jelly-home | yeah, they might find out you're watching people throwing a ball thru the hoop |
| 15:45.40 | moujik | yeah, exactly which games! |
| 15:45.42 | Knaldgas | Which driver is responsible for /dev/input/eventX devices? |
| 15:45.44 | jordanm | phuzion: all the reported CTCP bugs have been patched in stable |
| 15:45.44 | jelly-home | phuzion: you can ping the bug report again, or try contacting the security team |
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| 15:46.17 | jordanm | jelly-home: won't help if the bug a) hasn't been filed b) already fixed |
| 15:46.24 | jordanm | phuzion: have you tested it? |
| 15:47.17 | rook2pawn | jelly-home: the *.deb packages on https://www.google.com/chrome/index.html don't have flash in them? |
| 15:47.25 | valdyn | phuzion: heres another: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=640960 |
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| 15:47.41 | valdyn | phuzion: fixed aswell in squeeze |
| 15:47.53 | jelly-home | rook2pawn: 32bit builds for Debian do, 64bit builds for Debian do not. I don't know about the others. |
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| 15:48.21 | rook2pawn | Ah, you are right |
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| 15:49.37 | jelly-home | rook2pawn: there's a reason I'm suggesting the user to use 32bit, it's not just an irrational hate of the word "amd" you know |
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| 15:50.03 | moujik | Does Chrome use less CPU/RAM than Firefox using flash? |
| 15:50.11 | pickcoder | is nis support gone from postfix 2.9 under squeeze backports? |
| 15:50.40 | jelly-home | moujik: not really, they're both hogs |
| 15:51.03 | moujik | any lesser? |
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| 15:51.45 | jelly-home | not visibly, gut feeling is chrome is a bit leaner with resources, but who knows |
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| 15:52.57 | FDFlock | jelly-home: Chrom{e,ium} is only lighter only if you aren't a heavy user... Open 60-80 tabs and you'll see the Fireweasel, sorry, I meant Icefox, is faster |
| 15:52.59 | rook2pawn | what is the best way to measure memory consumption for that app? |
| 15:53.49 | moujik | FDFlock: what can I do to make Iceweasel work? |
| 15:54.07 | jelly-home | FDFlock: I can't keep track of 60 things at a time. |
| 15:54.28 | FDFlock | moujik: no idea, since (IMO) it's a plugin issue |
| 15:54.56 | FDFlock | jelly-home: I can't either, but I'm used to having all useful tabs already open and grouped by window |
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| 15:55.17 | moujik | But it works on Firefox 9.0.1 |
| 15:55.45 | moujik | well |
| 15:55.51 | FDFlock | moujik: Sorry, if you haave already answered, but, do both distros use the same GPU drivers? |
| 15:56.08 | FDFlock | nvidia proprietary or nouveau? |
| 15:56.17 | moujik | not sure |
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| 15:56.38 | FDFlock | that would make much more of a difference |
| 15:56.50 | FDFlock | Firefox version shouldn't matter |
| 15:56.51 | moujik | nvidia 400 or later on working system |
| 15:57.20 | moujik | I have to boot into debian to check the other |
| 15:57.30 | FDFlock | 400?! |
| 15:57.45 | jelly-home | 400? Mine's at 290.10 and Debian's at 295.something |
| 15:57.54 | jelly-home | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 15:57.55 | judd | Package: nvidia-glx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-backports/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 295.33-1; sid/non-free: 295.33-2 |
| 15:58.28 | twobitsprite | I'm pretty sure I've found this before, but maybe not... anyone know where to get netinst CD images for testing? |
| 15:58.34 | jelly-home | maybe moujik's coming from the future where Flash is dead |
| 15:58.45 | moujik | I wish |
| 15:58.54 | moujik | How do I check? |
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| 15:59.16 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: *waves arm* you don't need installers for testing; instead, install stable, base system, and upgrade |
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| 15:59.54 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: ohh, of course... I knew that actually, but apparently I'm braindead right now :P |
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| 16:01.19 | martin3z | it should be named 'stable' or 'stabile'? its about 'stability'. just asking |
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| 16:01.57 | twobitsprite | martin3z: the correct adjective form of "stability" *is* "stable" |
| 16:02.12 | twobitsprite | I know, English is silly |
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| 16:02.42 | martin3z | twobitsprite: so i need learn more, thanks alot |
| 16:03.01 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: but if you want to test _the installer_, /msg dpkg testing daily |
| 16:03.19 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: nope... like I said, just wasn't thinking :) |
| 16:03.21 | twobitsprite | thanks |
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| 16:05.59 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: note how the topic shows availablity of a fresh new separate channel for testing and unstable |
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| 16:09.25 | FDFlock | has been using 64bit Linux for 5-6 years without any problem |
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| 16:10.08 | FDFlock | ...appart from the stupid flash plagin, that is (anyone remember nspluginwrapper?) |
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| 16:10.31 | FDFlock | *apart |
| 16:10.40 | FDFlock | *plugin |
| 16:10.48 | FDFlock | err... |
| 16:10.56 | moujik | lspcidrake -v | grep -i display |
| 16:10.56 | moujik | Card:NVIDIA GeForce 400 series and later: nVidia Corporation |
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| 16:11.33 | FDFlock | moujik: yes, that's your hardware, but the same hardware can use multiple drivers |
| 16:11.48 | FDFlock | there's no indication of the driver there |
| 16:11.48 | moujik | How do I find out? |
| 16:12.28 | moujik | nvidia-glx is not installed |
| 16:12.46 | jelly-home | FDFlock: I'm happy with a 64bit kernel and 32bit userspace so far. When major sites give up on flash I might try 64bit again. |
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| 16:13.17 | FDFlock | modprobe | grep nvidiasudo modprobe -l nvidia |
| 16:13.29 | FDFlock | sorry, wrong paste, I meant |
| 16:13.32 | FDFlock | sudo modprobe -l nvidia |
| 16:13.40 | jelly-home | moujik: /var/log/Xorg.0.log will show which Xorg driver is used |
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| 16:14.23 | jelly-home | moujik: /var/log/kern.log (or dmesg) will show whether nouveau or nvidia kernel module got loaded at any point |
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| 16:14.40 | FDFlock | jelly-home: nspluginwrapper-what's-its-name ? I was using it for years. Allows a 32bit plugin inside a 64bit firefox |
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| 16:15.46 | jelly-home | FDFlock: I'm not interested in hacks at this point. Things have to Just Work, or require minimal assistance. |
| 16:16.17 | moujik | X.Org X Server 1.7.7 |
| 16:16.20 | twobitsprite | hopes and prays that HTML5 kills flash |
| 16:16.23 | FDFlock | jelly-home: I won't disagree with that, it's actually the main reason I'm using Debian stable. |
| 16:16.36 | FDFlock | agrees with twobitsprite |
| 16:16.47 | twobitsprite | die flash, die! |
| 16:16.49 | twobitsprite | (sorry) |
| 16:17.06 | jelly-home | nspluginwotsit was horrible last time I tried it; 64bit native flash was decidedly less stable than 32bit; also, at one point there was no 64bit java plugin which I need for work -- therefore, it's 32bit for me. |
| 16:17.07 | FDFlock | If I could kill it myself, I would! |
| 16:17.13 | twobitsprite | at least it's not silverlight... |
| 16:18.07 | FDFlock | jelly-home: Yes, I know. But 32bit Flash isn't all that stable... |
| 16:18.28 | Days` | Hi guys, maube someone can help, i'm upgrading the kernel of an old debian (etch) , i installed the 2.6.38 (it was running 2.6.26) , but it fails to boot as it can't find the lvm volumes groups, does someone have an idea ? |
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| 16:18.30 | FDFlock | At least plugin-container helps a bit |
| 16:18.34 | jelly-home | FDFlock: it only breaks 1-2 times a week now ;-) |
| 16:19.17 | twobitsprite | FDFlock: I always have to kill plugin-container... |
| 16:19.46 | FDFlock | twobitsprite: At least it doesn't take Firefox with it anymore |
| 16:19.54 | twobitsprite | FDFlock: there is that |
| 16:21.11 | twobitsprite | Days`: my only suggestion would be to keep your systems up to date... otherwise, no idea |
| 16:21.28 | Days` | twobitsprite: unfortunately thats not an option :( |
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| 16:22.21 | moujik | nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. |
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| 16:22.27 | moujik | sounds scary |
| 16:22.45 | jelly-home | Days`: do you have the boot parameters used and can you pastebin a screenshot of the actual failure mode? |
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| 16:23.04 | jelly-home | Days`: where did you get that kernel from? |
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| 16:23.36 | Days` | jelly-home: sure, for the kernel, we compiled it, it has DM support |
| 16:23.36 | jelly-home | Days`: and more interesting, how did you build the initrd/initramfs image for it? |
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| 16:23.47 | FDFlock | moujik: Not really, it's a license issue |
| 16:23.49 | twobitsprite | moujik: don't worry, you're just being reported to the OSS police for not being leet enough |
| 16:23.56 | Days` | jelly-home: using standard debian procedure |
| 16:24.03 | jelly-home | Days`: which is...? |
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| 16:24.14 | jelly-home | does not remember what etch used |
| 16:24.32 | Days` | jelly-home: the thing is it detects all the drives but it fails to find the volumes groups, so /dev/maper/ is empty |
| 16:24.41 | FDFlock | wasn't even a Debian user back then |
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| 16:24.50 | jelly-home | !tell Days` about initramfs debug |
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| 16:25.38 | twobitsprite | Days`: not trying to badger you, just honestly curious... why are you running a release which was end-of-life'd 2 years ago? |
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| 16:25.44 | FDFlock | Days`: It might sound silly, but, does a "modern" Live CD detect your LVM? |
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| 16:26.09 | moujik | funnily, when I try to boot into mandriva from debian grub2, it stops with kernel panic and something 'tainted' |
| 16:26.11 | jelly-home | Days`: (also why did you change the kernel at all) |
| 16:26.14 | Days` | twobitsprite: FDFlock because it has software running on it that can't run on debian5 (libc issues) |
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| 16:26.20 | alex- | Is it bad to use /home/website/ instead of /var/www/website/ |
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| 16:26.40 | twobitsprite | Days`: ew... that sucks... in-house stuff that's not being maintained or something? |
| 16:26.52 | mirco | Hi hi, I've got a problem with apt, I can't install anything. Seems something crashed because I hab bad RAM installed! Now when I try to install or search it just interrupts but doesn't give an error.... |
| 16:26.54 | FDFlock | Days`: Sounds bad! |
| 16:27.05 | Days` | FDFlock: if we upgrade the debian4 to debian5 and thus, upgrading lvm2 package, everythings works fine |
| 16:27.18 | FDFlock | mirco: Wait, do you STILL have bad RAM installed?! |
| 16:27.28 | Days` | twobitsprite: yup |
| 16:27.30 | FDFlock | mirco: If you have there are no guarantees! |
| 16:27.38 | mirco | FDFlock: no, it's removed |
| 16:27.53 | jelly-home | mirco: please pastebin the complete output of "apt-get update", "apt-cache policy" and your installation command, with the commands, in that order |
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| 16:28.04 | mirco | but as I'm on a G5 I can't use memtest to check the other modul's |
| 16:28.23 | koisoke | abrotman: thanks (re /msg dpkg kemap) but there is no existing keymap that suits what I need to do and xmodmap won't let met set up eg custom mappings for multi_key foo bar, and it seems that xkb is not properly documented anywhere |
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| 16:28.53 | koisoke | *keymap |
| 16:28.54 | Days` | jelly-home: tring the link you sent me |
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| 16:29.13 | keyword | hi guys I have a doubt how can I replace a big string in many files I have this but dont works http://pastie.org/private/zycjgygwnz5de2eppm81g |
| 16:29.46 | jelly-home | Days`: I'd still like to see your boot parameters and the screen with a failed boot |
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| 16:30.26 | abrotman | koisoke: what's teh full issue? |
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| 16:31.43 | koisoke | abrotman: I need to write English, Finnish, Livonian and Komi. English, Finnish and Livonian I can do with a Finnish keymap plus compose with some issues (i.e. excessive keystrokes required for Ä«), but then I need to be able to switch to cyrillic too. |
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| 16:33.26 | keyword | hi guys I have a doubt how can I replace a big string in many files I have this but dont works http://pastie.org/private/zycjgygwnz5de2eppm81g |
| 16:33.27 | jelly-home | whoa. "The Livonian language is spoken by fewer than 100 individuals as a second language, and is understood to be fast approaching extinction. The last native Livonian speaker died in February 2009." |
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| 16:34.57 | moujik | jelly-home: I was just gonna say It's made up! |
| 16:34.59 | biggens1_ | hello??? |
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| 16:36.50 | koisoke | jelly-home: that's the one. |
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| 16:39.26 | nip | ok hello my debian will not work i have to restart 9-10 times to get it to start then it dissapears and then i have to restart 9-20 times again for the same results |
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| 16:42.43 | moujik | ok, thank you everyone! I'm gonna boot into debian to see if I can find a browser that will work with flash. |
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| 16:43.00 | abrotman | koisoke: ugh .. and in X ? and you don't want to switch keymaps each time ? |
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| 16:43.31 | nip | i am biggens1 nana i am back |
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| 16:44.03 | abrotman | nip: and what? you're not banned anywhere .. you're so smart .. |
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| 16:44.43 | nip | my debian will not work i have to restart 10-15 times to get it to boot |
| 16:44.55 | abrotman | in case anyone is wondering .. nip is a troll .. |
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| 16:45.11 | nip | i am not! |
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| 16:45.40 | pdtpatrick | Has anyone figured out a good preseed file that works without getting prompt for Keyboard layout at the beginning? I've tried several and it never detects the US keyboard layout. I have to choose the layout and then it finally uses the preseed file after networking loads. I guess it would only detect the keyboard if the file was locally stored rather than being stored on the net? |
| 16:45.47 | abrotman | he'll claim his system doesn't work, refuse to give any useful information, join/part a few times .. change nicks .. |
| 16:45.58 | jelly-home | so, +q him? |
| 16:46.08 | nip | i am just a simple person who is trying to get help for debain |
| 16:46.18 | abrotman | he hasn't done anything yet .. today |
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| 16:46.33 | Justin | pdtpatrick: you need to set kernel commandline options for that.. |
| 16:46.34 | mirco | I don't know how to describe my aptitude interruption problem so here's a little paste: http://paste.debian.net/162636/ |
| 16:46.44 | jelly-home | abrotman: if you already know he's an annoyance, Just Do Itâ„¢ |
| 16:46.55 | Justin | pdtpatrick: something like languagechooser/language-name=English countrychooser/shortlist=US debian-installer/locale=en_US kbd-chooser/method=us |
| 16:47.04 | Justin | pdtpatrick: used to work, might need to be adjusted slightly |
| 16:47.13 | pdtpatrick | Justin: thanks |
| 16:48.05 | koisoke | abrotman: switching keymaps between cyrillic and latin is most ok i guess, since I could set up key shortcuts for this in ion, but custom compose tables and/or arbitrarily many planes would be nicer of course. is there anything like this? |
| 16:48.18 | abrotman | he's gone for now |
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| 16:48.55 | abrotman | koisoke: not that i'm aware of .. you might even want to ask #xorg .. they may have a better hint |
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| 16:49.01 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 16:49.10 | pickcoder | puts up the bag of Troll-Cakes |
| 16:49.27 | johnfg | I've got an older laptop with squeeze on it that's run out of space on /var. |
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| 16:49.38 | johnfg | I've got a ton of room on /home. |
| 16:49.58 | johnfg | Right now I'm *not* running lvm, or I could probably solve this problem easier. |
| 16:50.12 | jelly-home | mirco: huh. What does echo $? say right after that? |
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| 16:50.51 | mirco | jelly-home: $ |
| 16:50.52 | johnfg | Question: can I resize the /var and /home partitions with parted and not destroy anything? |
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| 16:50.56 | mirco | what else did you expect? |
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| 16:51.05 | Justin | johnfg: how big is /var ? |
| 16:51.19 | pickcoder | johnfg: boot a live CD. compress /home/ onto a usb drive and then create a new partition to mount as a /var/subdir like /var/lib/ or /var/cache |
| 16:51.23 | jelly-home | mirco: you need to do it immediately after the aptitude command. |
| 16:51.24 | mirco | jelly-home: with "echo $?" it's 0 |
| 16:51.33 | martin3z | johnfg: prob /home u have on other partition... |
| 16:52.06 | mirco | sudo aptitude search irc; echo $? |
| 16:52.08 | mirco | [100%] Reading package lists13 |
| 16:52.14 | martin3z | johnfg: check your lvm settings |
| 16:52.34 | mirco | 139 ... paste error! |
| 16:52.50 | johnfg | martin3z, I hadn't switched this filesystem to lvm yet, :-(. |
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| 16:53.57 | johnfg | And yes, /var is /dev/sda6 and /home is /dev/sda9 and only has 2% use on it. |
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| 16:54.28 | boudiccas | how do i log into kde from the gnome cli please? i've got to the login screen but cant find any way of changing from gnome to kde there |
| 16:54.33 | jelly-home | mirco: 139 is a segfault, possibly indicating further hw issues, or a corrupted executable |
| 16:54.59 | johnfg | boudiccas, on squeeze? |
| 16:55.03 | jelly-home | mirco: pastebin your "dmesg" output, please |
| 16:55.08 | boudiccas | johnfg, yes |
| 16:55.31 | johnfg | If so, you should be able to pick kde when you click the session button. |
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| 16:56.02 | boudiccas | when i press enter when the user is picked ? |
| 16:56.09 | mirco | jelly-home: paste.debian.net/162639/ |
| 16:56.10 | jelly-home | mirco: (it's 128 indicating a signal, binary ORed with 11 = SIGSEGV) |
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| 16:56.23 | boudiccas | johnfg, when i press enter when the user is picked ? |
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| 16:57.01 | abrotman | boudiccas: try it NS AWW |
| 16:57.03 | jelly-home | mirco: huh, is that all? |
| 16:57.06 | abrotman | erm .. try it and see |
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| 16:57.21 | boudiccas | abrotman, k, thanks |
| 16:57.32 | pickcoder | abrotman: wow.. that takes talent.. |
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| 16:57.52 | mirco | jelly-home: yeap |
| 16:57.56 | abrotman | pickcoder: a is next to caps lock :) |
| 16:58.04 | abrotman | pickcoder: off by one error |
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| 16:58.12 | jelly-home | mirco: kernel builds for intel catch and show segfaults in there, I'm not sure why the ppc64 build does not |
| 16:59.22 | mirco | jelly-home: I don't know too, not very PPC experienced, just got my old Mac after moving outta the corner and reactived it after installing a fresh wheezy... |
| 16:59.26 | johnfg | ok, I see that I've got way too much in logs, over 2 G. Would logrotate be what I should use to get rid of some of that? |
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| 16:59.55 | pickcoder | johnfg: yes |
| 16:59.59 | Justin | johnfg: are they files named like foo.5.gz or just 'foo' ? |
| 17:00.09 | jelly-home | mirco: if debsums is installed, run "debsums -s libc6 apt aptitude" and see if it reports any errors |
| 17:00.20 | pickcoder | johnfg: also direct logs to /dev/null if you have no use for them |
| 17:00.34 | pickcoder | (if you can't disable them) |
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| 17:01.32 | johnfg | Justin, quite a few foo.gz |
| 17:01.50 | Justin | johnfg: those are already rotated and you can delete them if you want |
| 17:01.51 | johnfg | Can I safely delete the .gz, as they're not current? |
| 17:02.04 | johnfg | Justin, OK, thanks! |
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| 17:02.47 | derebel | provided i can actually get a modem to work (i'll fail back to a serial modem if i have to) could a modem be treated like a sound device? ie could i capture raw sound from the phone line (both sides of the call) |
| 17:03.36 | johnfg | Justin, shouldn't hurt to delete the foo.1 also? |
| 17:03.47 | Justin | johnfg: correct |
| 17:04.00 | Justin | derebel: a serial modem, definitely not. an internal modem, maybe |
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| 17:04.27 | Justin | derebel: though a propper card for voice applications is under $50, so you should really just buy one of those |
| 17:05.09 | mirco | jelly-home: I installed it with dpkg: paste.debian.net/162640/ |
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| 17:05.23 | derebel | Justin, i have other methods of doing this but i was preferring to do it through a debian machine, i'll just route through an old tape recorder lol, do they still make tapes? |
| 17:05.48 | Justin | derebel: you can do it through a debian machine. buy a card that works with asterisk |
| 17:06.03 | derebel | Justin, good to know, i'll look at it |
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| 17:10.03 | mirco | jelly-home: was wondering why it tells libc6 isn't installed, so I checked: http://paste.debian.net/162642/ |
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| 17:14.44 | jelly-home | mirco: you have a multiarch-capable dpkg, so libc6:powerpc is to be used |
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| 17:15.35 | Baaa | is there a syntax for scp when you already are logged in to a server to dl a file to your local home |
| 17:15.40 | Baaa | ? |
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| 17:15.56 | ksk | na, it does not work this way :) |
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| 17:16.06 | ksk | it uses ssh, which is a client-server thingy |
| 17:16.13 | mirco | jelly-home: it was the damn package archive cache, just ran an apt-get update and now I can again search with aptitude!!! WTF? |
| 17:16.25 | Baaa | ksk: are u sure? |
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| 17:16.29 | ksk | kinda |
| 17:16.50 | Baaa | im already logged in with ssh i mean |
| 17:16.52 | ksk | you could do some port-forwadings, which might archive this |
| 17:17.13 | dondelelcaro | Baaa: no, but if you're using ControlMaster, etc. you can do that. |
| 17:17.19 | Baaa | never heard of it |
| 17:17.32 | ksk | but you do know google? :> |
| 17:17.40 | Baaa | already there |
| 17:17.41 | Baaa | ;o |
| 17:18.04 | aPpYe | I have read that I can use apt-preferences to block updates to a certain package, but is there a way to block a specific version? This way, I can block the version that is in the repositories now, but I can still see if the next version fixes my problem. |
| 17:18.42 | mirco | jelly-home: THX |
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| 17:21.28 | somiaj | aPpYe: I would just put a package on hold. Then via apt-cache policy <pkg name> you can check when there is a newer version. |
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| 17:25.17 | AciD` | hi, after a few years, I started to upgrade my old computer from etch to squeeze. Unfortunatly I had to force some package installation and I kinda broke the system. I'd gladly delete all non-system package, but since dpkg, udev and dbus seem to be involved, I prefer to ask here what would be the best way to solve the dependancies problem : http://pastebin.com/5pedsC7v |
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| 17:27.17 | johnfg | Well i didn't get very much space freed up on /var yet. |
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| 17:28.23 | johnfg | I've removed pretty much all the old logs with .gz and a number, but still some big ones. I don't really need them (at least as things are going) right now. Is there a way to safely delete them all? |
| 17:28.26 | OsteHovel | Is this channel mirrored on another network than freenode? |
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| 17:29.28 | Justin | johnfg: du -acx /var | sort -n |
| 17:29.43 | johnfg | Justin, Ok, will paste the results... |
| 17:29.51 | Justin | johnfg: don't paste the results, read the results |
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| 17:32.00 | johnfg | Justin, Ok, the culprits, i.e., the biggest logs are messages, kern.log and syslog. |
| 17:32.13 | Justin | johnfg: you should see what is making those so big |
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| 17:33.56 | johnfg | Justin, part of the problem I'm seeing is all the messages having to do with /var being (almost) out of space. |
| 17:34.07 | sweb | is sid version of each packages always last stable of that package ? |
| 17:34.09 | valdyn | OsteHovel: no |
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| 17:35.31 | johnfg | Justin, So, Anything I can do about those big logs? |
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| 17:36.37 | Justin | johnfg: logrotate --force |
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| 17:37.00 | rozie | hi. am I the only one who has problems after upgrade to the newest flash (non-free) on 32 bit system? |
| 17:37.26 | Justin | johnfg: run that a few times it should clean things up.. if not, just delete the old logs or maybe move them to /home for the time being |
| 17:37.50 | derebel | rozie, nope, i havent sorted it out yet but im trying |
| 17:38.28 | rozie | I have two Debians (one stable, one mixed), upgraded flash with update-flashplugin-nonfree and it stopped working in all browsers (first I suspected Iceweasel 11 from backports) |
| 17:38.34 | rozie | on 64bit works fine |
| 17:38.57 | rozie | derebel: good to know. please write me pm if you find a solution |
| 17:39.12 | rozie | derebel: is this bug reported anywhere? |
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| 17:39.43 | derebel | rozie, not that i'm aware of, i was planning on filing one if i fixed it, seems like a config issue but i could be wrong |
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| 17:43.26 | Siggina | hi i have a problem with my linux machine. i have two different ip adresses on eth0 and eth0:0. the one from eth0 works perfectly, but eth0:0 doesn't work. i cant ping it from the outside (but i see the ping request in TCPDump and get a SYN_RECV in netstat) |
| 17:43.39 | Siggina | host is debian testing |
| 17:44.26 | jordanm | !ip alias |
| 17:44.27 | dpkg | IP aliasing is when you establish multiple network interfaces on the same network card, generally the aliases are eth0:1, eth0:2, etc. Ask me about <interfaces>. http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/alias.txt |
| 17:44.46 | jordanm | Siggina: you should probably just use `ip` instead of aliases though |
| 17:44.47 | Siggina | i know. |
| 17:44.48 | johnfg | Justin, Thanks. That did it, as I removed the rotated files after running the command. |
| 17:45.31 | Siggina | jordanm: what do you mean? |
| 17:46.48 | jordanm | Siggina: instead of creating an alias, just use ip addr to add an ip to eth0 |
| 17:47.03 | johnfg | Justin, What I'd like to do, if I knew lvm better, is convert this system to lvm. But instead of trying to convert, maybe I should just go for a reinstall. |
| 17:47.05 | Siggina | thats possible? okay |
| 17:47.18 | johnfg | although I'd rather not. |
| 17:47.45 | jordanm | Siggina: ip addr add <cidr ip> dev eth0 |
| 17:48.00 | jordanm | Siggina: use post-up rules in the interfaces file for it to work on boot |
| 17:48.32 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.37 | jordanm | johnfg: you can't really convert since it requires repartitioning and reformatting |
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| 17:49.13 | Siggina | jordanm: i did that - but same problem |
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| 17:49.32 | jordanm | Siggina: is it on a different network than than the primary? |
| 17:49.39 | Siggina | nope |
| 17:49.49 | Siggina | wait a sec, i give you the output of ifconfig and ip addr and route |
| 17:50.29 | jordanm | Siggina: ip route, not route |
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| 17:52.03 | Siggina | http://nopaste.info/4593b178a7.html |
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| 17:52.30 | Siggina | ip roand http://nopaste.info/1caa60543c.html |
| 17:52.31 | johnfg | jordanm, I thought that was probably the case, but wasn't sure. |
| 17:52.37 | AciD` | re |
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| 17:53.08 | johnfg | cd /etc |
| 17:53.10 | johnfg | ls |
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| 17:53.50 | johnfg | oops. |
| 17:54.12 | Siggina | jordanm. could it be that something is wrong with the route? |
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| 17:55.04 | rozie | derebel: can you give me md5sum of the flash plugin? |
| 17:55.26 | rozie | (I don't have access to my i386 systems now) |
| 17:56.05 | rozie | it's cb198cf8e3ed61bef0f03f635cf97e69 /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so for amd64 |
| 17:56.23 | rozie | I wonder if they didn't mix the architectures... |
| 17:57.05 | Siggina | could it be that the problem is, that there is no route for the other ips except with the .27 at the end? if yes: how do i add the other ips to ip route? with route add? |
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| 17:59.25 | Siggina | anyone still here or is my irc - client crashed? |
| 17:59.49 | rozie | Siggina: easy. |
| 17:59.50 | Days` | Siggina: ping |
| 18:00.13 | rozie | Siggina: it looks like you have only one address up |
| 18:00.33 | jordanm | Siggina: route add -host 77.111.199.19 dev eth0:1 |
| 18:00.36 | rozie | pls give ip a output |
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| 18:01.39 | Siggina | jordanm: do i have to restart networking after the modification? |
| 18:01.51 | rozie | OK, I see, you already gave that |
| 18:03.16 | Siggina | jordanm: because ping still doesnt work. |
| 18:04.00 | Siggina | new ip route: http://nopaste.info/5f856e88a2.html |
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| 18:05.02 | rozie | Siggina: any special reason for using alias? |
| 18:05.05 | newbie|2 | Hi there! I need .ppd file t oinstall my printer. Where can I download it? |
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| 18:05.07 | jordanm | Siggina: do you have physical access to this server? |
| 18:05.07 | Siggina | nop |
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| 18:05.16 | Siggina | and nope |
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| 18:05.44 | rozie | I'd assign address to eth0 directly |
| 18:05.54 | jordanm | Siggina: looking at my configuration, it looks like the network route forcing out the 77.111.199.27 interface needs to go |
| 18:06.07 | Siggina | already did with one |
| 18:06.19 | Siggina | @rozie |
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| 18:06.57 | Siggina | jordanm: so ill have to delete the route? |
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| 18:08.38 | jordanm | Siggina: no, actually, that looks correct |
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| 18:13.58 | Siggina | jordanm: so it should work? |
| 18:14.12 | newbie|2 | Guys where can I download .ppd driver for printer? |
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| 18:15.24 | rozie | newbie|2: Debian repo. linuxprinting.org |
| 18:15.37 | Justin | newbie|2: .ppd files are not drivers |
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| 18:26.22 | jordanm | Siggina: as far as I can tell |
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| 18:39.18 | Iridos | I wonder why moldy is not in debian... seems to be GPL |
| 18:39.35 | Iridos | all I find is an email from '97 |
| 18:40.19 | Iridos | i.e. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1997/08/msg00370.html |
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| 18:42.46 | Iridos | actually I also wonder how horribly outdated that is... looked at it again, because I found some of my documents from '97 that mentioned it :) |
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| 18:45.28 | Siggina | so what could be the reason if the server is sending a response to ping, but it's never arriving at the client? |
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| 18:46.59 | Iridos | big bad ping-swallowing monster ate it? |
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| 18:48.44 | sweb | how can i scan my whole folders via clamscan ? |
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| 18:50.14 | Iridos | man clamscan , look at SYNOPSIS in line 3? |
| 18:50.26 | Iridos | and check for an "-r" or "-R" option? |
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| 18:54.35 | linux-ninja | I just loaded a box with debian 6.04, right after install follows the reboot and then I get to the grub menu, right after the initial ramdisk start loading my machine reboots? any pointers? |
| 18:55.38 | Iridos | bad ram? |
| 18:56.19 | linux-ninja | did a memory test and it went ok |
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| 18:57.00 | Iridos | nothing that grub or the kernel ever do should produce that... |
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| 18:57.20 | linux-ninja | Do you think it may be acpi related? |
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| 19:02.57 | LorentzFactor | okay quick question, fglrx from squeeze, how can I just get a newer version of that package, rather than use the one in that version? |
| 19:03.29 | LorentzFactor | like is there a debian version of package.mask package.unmask? |
| 19:03.57 | FDFlock | LorentzFactor: Are you a Gentoo user? |
| 19:04.01 | LorentzFactor | yes :( |
| 19:04.14 | FDFlock | there is something similar, called "apt-pinning" |
| 19:04.22 | FDFlock | but its usage is NOT recommended |
| 19:04.25 | LorentzFactor | but this isn't my machine I'm trying to work on, so prolly shouldn't get to gentooey |
| 19:04.45 | kevlarman | LorentzFactor: is the one in backports new enough for you? |
| 19:04.59 | LorentzFactor | i dunno lol i prolly need a newer version of the driver |
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| 19:05.10 | LorentzFactor | cos this card doesn't appear in the squeeze on |
| 19:05.13 | Iridos | judd, versions fglrx-modules-dkms |
| 19:05.14 | judd | Package: fglrx-modules-dkms on i386 -- lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; sid/non-free: 1:12-3-1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-3-1 |
| 19:05.45 | FDFlock | Debian is a binary distro and as such mixing stable/unstable is not recommended. you can either use "backports", or compile the package yourself (there are some facilities for the latter) |
| 19:05.47 | LorentzFactor | also how do those version relate to ati's? |
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| 19:06.08 | kevlarman | LorentzFactor: the thing after the 1: is amd's version |
| 19:06.19 | LorentzFactor | ah ok |
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| 19:06.26 | kevlarman | FDFlock: that's what dkms does anyway |
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| 19:07.05 | FDFlock | yes, but I don't know the details, because apt "just works" for me |
| 19:07.06 | Iridos | so should be able to just use fglrx-modules-dkms from sid? |
| 19:07.24 | kevlarman | Iridos: no |
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| 19:07.35 | FDFlock | When I was a Gentoo user I knew the internals of the package manager in much more depth :) |
| 19:07.43 | LorentzFactor | heheh exactly |
| 19:07.51 | zykes- | is Lenny not supported anymore ? |
| 19:08.03 | kevlarman | LorentzFactor: there's ~11.6 in backports |
| 19:08.04 | kevlarman | zykes-: no |
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| 19:08.19 | LorentzFactor | I need support for hd 6450 |
| 19:08.29 | Iridos | kevlarman, so then what? dkms automatically compiles for the currently running kernel... what's the problem getting the kernel modules from testing/unstable |
| 19:08.36 | LorentzFactor | not sure where the support checks are for those |
| 19:08.45 | Iridos | also... are we talking about the kernel-modules, xorg modules or something else |
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| 19:09.10 | Iridos | rephrase: are YOU talking about... I know what I'm talking about :) |
| 19:10.27 | kevlarman | Iridos: i generally feel better grabbing the source package and building it |
| 19:10.41 | kevlarman | according to judd the dependencies are all there |
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| 19:11.03 | Iridos | I don't see the point, as the modules are being compiled anyway... |
| 19:11.21 | LorentzFactor | I'll try to backports one.. if that doesn't work, then I'll just build it myself |
| 19:11.39 | Iridos | but I'm not sure how independently you can change kernel-module version versus fglrx-gl etc. |
| 19:11.40 | LorentzFactor | should I unmerge the current driver first or ... how does that work |
| 19:11.45 | LorentzFactor | ur uninstall |
| 19:12.06 | kevlarman | Iridos: you can't |
| 19:12.23 | kevlarman | Iridos: both have to be the same or it crashes on 3d |
| 19:13.19 | LorentzFactor | so...now I'm confused. |
| 19:13.23 | zykes- | weird thgen kevlarman that my source.list is borked then |
| 19:13.37 | Iridos | so need to backport fglrx-driver and get the according fglrx-modules-dkms |
| 19:13.59 | LorentzFactor | do I remove the otherone first? |
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| 19:14.27 | kevlarman | LorentzFactor: i'm assuming you want X around while you build it, so no :P |
| 19:14.34 | LorentzFactor | uhm |
| 19:14.36 | LorentzFactor | x isn't working |
| 19:14.44 | LorentzFactor | plus I'm not even at the machine |
| 19:14.54 | LorentzFactor | just a shell lol |
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| 19:15.11 | Iridos | LorentzFactor, generally, no need (if you stay within the packaging system)... if a package of a newer version is installed, the older is removed automatically first |
| 19:15.19 | LorentzFactor | ok |
| 19:15.28 | LorentzFactor | so let me try this out |
| 19:15.37 | LorentzFactor | I'll add the backports |
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| 19:16.08 | LorentzFactor | and see where I go from there |
| 19:16.21 | linux-ninja | Iridos, forgot to set my ECC setting in the bios, box booted accordingly. Didn't know Debian was picky about ECC settings. |
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| 19:17.22 | Iridos | linux-ninja, I don't think it is...but some memory got corrupted or read incorrectly... and that caused a jump back to the reboot routine? |
| 19:17.25 | Iridos | just a guess |
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| 19:18.26 | linux-ninja | Iridos, I just set the ECC timing manual, for some reason Debian doesn't like my auto function. Its not big deal, but a pointer |
| 19:18.39 | linux-ninja | Time to play with Debian now...-) |
| 19:19.30 | LorentzFactor | hmm so uhm I tried to use backports but it says it is newest version? |
| 19:19.34 | Iridos | linux-ninja, well, nuffin very special about debian anyway... it's a linux kernel pretty much like any other |
| 19:19.42 | LorentzFactor | ~# apt-get -t squeeze-backports install "fglrx-driver" |
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| 19:19.56 | Iridos | judd, versions fglrx-driver |
| 19:19.57 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; sid/non-free: 1:12-3-1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-3-1 |
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| 19:20.11 | Iridos | there's none in backports |
| 19:20.15 | LorentzFactor | o |
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| 19:20.17 | LorentzFactor | well |
| 19:20.19 | LorentzFactor | hell |
| 19:20.33 | LorentzFactor | that was all silly anyhow |
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| 19:20.38 | karlpinc | linux-ninja: You can install memtest86+ and then boot from it and let it run to test the ram et-al. Preferably overnight to see if there's issues with heat or something. |
| 19:20.43 | educr0w | I have a lot of doubts, I executed 'apt-get -s install xserver-xorg-video-intel' and I saw for example xserver-xorg-input-wacom, is that package for wacom tablets? |
| 19:21.19 | Iridos | educr0w, "apt-cache show xserver-xorg-input-wacom" would tell you that |
| 19:21.37 | carlosarze | guys i have a question about iptables and fail2ban |
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| 19:21.54 | carlosarze | can anyone explain what does this means and how can i fix it ? |
| 19:21.59 | Iridos | and the xorg drivers are all usually installed together via a metapackage... |
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| 19:22.15 | carlosarze | 2012-04-09 15:03:52,944 fail2ban.actions.action: ERROR iptables -D INPUT -p tcp -m multiport --dports ssh -j fail2ban-ssh |
| 19:22.16 | carlosarze | iptables -F fail2ban-ssh - iptables -X fail2ban-ssh returned 100 |
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| 19:23.15 | educr0w | Iridos: yes..driver for wacom tablets devices, I just want xorg-video-intel driver, how can I install that without all that useless stuff? |
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| 19:23.29 | educr0w | useless for me, I don't have a wacom tablet |
| 19:23.38 | Iridos | LorentzFactor, graphics drivers are partly the kernel module and partly the fglrx-driver ... you can backport the latter yourself, for that /msg dpkg ssb |
| 19:24.41 | Iridos | educr0w, I'm not sure why it was installed in your case... try aptitude why xserver-xorg-input-wacom |
| 19:24.54 | Iridos | educr0w, if you're not really tight on diskspace for some reason, I would just not bother, though |
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| 19:25.02 | linux-ninja | is it me, or this distro ships with disable ICMP and SSH....? |
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| 19:25.51 | karlpinc | linux-ninja: You don't get ssh, or much of anything, unless you install it. If you install only the base system. ICMP should work.... |
| 19:25.56 | educr0w | Iridos: I didn't install yet, I used apt-get -s to simulate the process and that kind of packages were "installed" |
| 19:26.22 | carlosarze | iptables -X fail2ban-ssh returned 100 how can i fix this error ? |
| 19:26.25 | linux-ninja | karlpinc, I just did the base install |
| 19:26.52 | linux-ninja | This is surprising that even SSH is out of the box, usually that service is about the only one left in in all distros |
| 19:27.02 | karlpinc | linux-ninja: Install openssh-server |
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| 19:27.25 | linux-ninja | karlpinc, going to apt-get that...:-) |
| 19:27.28 | karlpinc | linux-ninja: Debian is very minimal, if you install only the base system it's just what you need to boot, pretty much. |
| 19:27.41 | Iridos | educr0w, two things that can pull in packages that you don#t expect - 1) metapackages (but as the one you installed isn#+t one, that's unlikely) 2) recommends (which you can switch off) |
| 19:27.46 | karlpinc | linux-ninja: I always install only the base system and go from there. |
| 19:27.46 | Iridos | dpkg, tell educr0w about recommends |
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| 19:28.07 | Iridos | but... where do you go from there? :) |
| 19:29.09 | educr0w | dpkg saids package '' does not exists hehe |
| 19:29.10 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, educr0w |
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| 19:29.48 | karlpinc | Iridos, linux-ninja : Generally I go here from there: http://pastebin.com/G7wTcvPN Perhaps build-essentials too. |
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| 19:30.51 | karlpinc | linux-ninja: And screen. |
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| 19:31.29 | pullover | i have a 20 client on my workstation |
| 19:31.36 | pullover | i want to monitor network |
| 19:31.51 | pullover | is rrdtool is best for this job ? |
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| 19:31.53 | karlpinc | linux-ninja: And you may or may not want xserver-xorg, and some sort of desktop package or another. |
| 19:32.36 | jordanm | pullover: rrdtool just logs and graphs, it doesn't monitor |
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| 19:32.47 | karlpinc | pullover: rrdtool is going to be part of what you want, so you can keep history. But you need more than that to actually monitor. |
| 19:32.47 | jordanm | pullover: see ntop, which uses rrdtool for network monitoring |
| 19:33.25 | pullover | i am assuming rrdtool getting data with mrtg |
| 19:33.57 | pullover | i have a machine 1GB ram 20 GB hdd p4 this is my monitor computer |
| 19:34.09 | karlpinc | pullover: Some prefer cacti to mrtg. YMMV. See also the debtags package for how to search for these sorts of tools. |
| 19:34.09 | linux-ninja | karlpinc, sweet list....I see you you didn't forget your sensors either...;-) |
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| 19:34.34 | karlpinc | linux-ninja: Yah. But there's no graphic history. :-( |
| 19:34.36 | jordanm | karlpinc: and ntop... cacti does more than network monitoring though |
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| 19:34.50 | pullover | karlpinc: thank you but i dont know which one good |
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| 19:35.18 | AciD` | hi, after a few years, I started to upgrade my old computer from etch to squeeze. Unfortunatly I had to force some package installation and I kinda broke the system. I'd gladly delete all non-system package, but since dpkg, udev and dbus seem to be involved, I prefer to ask here what would be the best way to solve the dependancies problem : http://pastebin.com/5pedsC7v |
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| 19:35.30 | pullover | early i was using http://www.paessler.com/prtg/screenshots |
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| 19:35.38 | jordanm | AciD`: you can't go from etch to squeeze without making a stop at lenny |
| 19:35.51 | AciD` | hm |
| 19:35.57 | kevlarman | AciD`: at this point you probably want to just reinstall |
| 19:36.00 | karlpinc | AciD`: Go back to a backup and follow the release notes to upgrade to lenny first, then follow the instructions to upgrade to squeeze. |
| 19:36.06 | AciD` | that would explain things |
| 19:36.45 | pullover | http://linas.org/linux/NMS.html here is a few comparasion but i dont know which one good |
| 19:36.51 | pullover | any help will appiricated |
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| 19:37.30 | AciD` | kevlarman, karlpinc : thank you for your answers :) |
| 19:37.36 | boston8372 | pullover what are u looking to monitor |
| 19:37.46 | karlpinc | pullover: Really it depends on what you're trying to do. For example, "mon" is very simple but sometimes best. |
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| 19:38.02 | Iridos | or... in short |
| 19:38.03 | Iridos | dpkg, best |
| 19:38.03 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 19:38.16 | Iridos | anyone for tennis? |
| 19:38.22 | boston8372 | squash |
| 19:38.36 | pullover | for network monitoring |
| 19:38.46 | boston8372 | boy that narrowed it down thx |
| 19:38.52 | Iridos | then I'd say: Tina Turner, definitely |
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| 19:39.22 | pullover | i have a 20 clients on my workaround. and my boss want monitor our network connection |
| 19:39.42 | boston8372 | monitor it for what what is your angle |
| 19:39.54 | Iridos | well... there's a blinking light on the ethernet cards |
| 19:39.56 | karlpinc | pullover: As in "why do you want to monitor the network?" What are you looking for? Something to make the boss happy? Tina Turner then. |
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| 19:40.26 | karlpinc | pullover: (If you make us ask too many of these questions we'll lose interest.) |
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| 19:41.11 | boston8372 | send your boss a hex dump and highlight stuff in the PDF with a Yellow virtual pen. Bosses love that sorta stuff |
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| 19:42.21 | Timmy | i want to connect to someone's computer and control her computer through command line, unfortunatly she has no valid IP address so i can't use SSH, is there any other way to do so? |
| 19:42.35 | Timmy | dsfldfkgfldgmfdlmgldftierokjgcnmvoprgknv ofjkg [jewrkngjsdkfjesprjweojnlfjdskgnekrporkejfsdjfe;wlkr43riefjmdslnfmsljfewoirwoekwqdkmnvdsflnrjtfxmngfnmgkrngmnbfnklm kasdfgnflmnbndfgnretiurthj48t804jkdsnjsdofjseijr3wrji |
| 19:42.40 | Timmy | sry |
| 19:42.44 | boston8372 | lol |
| 19:42.45 | karlpinc | Timmy: She's not on the net? |
| 19:42.51 | Timmy | she is |
| 19:43.01 | boston8372 | no valip IP, hmmmm |
| 19:43.05 | Timmy | but she doesn't have a valid IP |
| 19:43.12 | karlpinc | Timmy: You have a static routable IP? |
| 19:43.26 | karlpinc | Timmy: (You mean routeable, not valid.) |
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| 19:43.38 | Timmy | yes, but she is behind a router |
| 19:43.45 | Timmy | probably |
| 19:43.46 | boston8372 | she is behind a router eh |
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| 19:43.57 | karlpinc | Timmy: Yes, you have a static routable ip? |
| 19:44.16 | Timmy | yes, i have and she has |
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| 19:44.59 | karlpinc | Timmy: What I usually do is put openvpn on the remote box and use it to punch through the nat-ting. Then you've a VPN and can connect in with ssh no problem. |
| 19:45.04 | Iridos | looks like SHE controlled his machine |
| 19:45.46 | Timmy | unfortunatly she is not really familiar with this stuffs |
| 19:46.01 | Iridos | well... you need one machine that is not behind a NAT and you both can access |
| 19:46.02 | karlpinc | Timmy: You can't set it up? |
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| 19:46.12 | Iridos | then you can do the rest with ssh portforwarding easily |
| 19:46.28 | Iridos | (or configure your NAT router to let people from outside ssh in) |
| 19:46.38 | Timmy | no |
| 19:46.41 | Timmy | :( |
| 19:46.52 | karlpinc | Timmy, Iridos : Yes, plain ssh is the poor man's vpn. |
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| 19:47.12 | karlpinc | Timmy: So, you've no physical access and need to bootstrap. |
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| 19:47.17 | Iridos | you can put pretty much anything through ssh forwards |
| 19:47.32 | Iridos | Timmy, can she ssh into your machine? |
| 19:47.34 | karlpinc | Iridos: openvpn is nice because it retries forever, etc. |
| 19:47.35 | Timmy | she is not here and needs someone repair her computer, i have tried teamviewer but it's too slow for such a 2G connection |
| 19:47.55 | Timmy | no, i am behind a NAT server too |
| 19:48.12 | karlpinc | Timmy: So, you _don't_ have a publicly routable static ip. |
| 19:48.20 | Timmy | yes |
| 19:48.35 | Iridos | reconfigure your NAT to allow sshing into your machine, then |
| 19:48.39 | Timmy | im noob |
| 19:48.41 | Timmy | :( |
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| 19:49.22 | FDFlock | BTW, if you want to "use SSH as VPN" (using it as SOCKS proxy), but your app does not support SOCKS, you might be interested in a small program called "tsocks" |
| 19:49.32 | boston8372 | what kind of router do you have |
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| 19:49.36 | Iridos | Timmy, then perhaps this is not the best way to spend your time? |
| 19:49.38 | karlpinc | Timmy: You could use one of those dynamic dns services. I think some are still free cost. But you'll _still_ need to poke your router with a stick and get it to port forward the ssh port to your box. |
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| 19:50.08 | boston8372 | have her drive it to you. plus u can hump |
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| 19:50.35 | karlpinc | boston8372: Now now. It's probably his mom. |
| 19:50.56 | Iridos | :D |
| 19:51.22 | karlpinc | Timmy: You'll either need to dive in, or get delivery of the box and ship it back. |
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| 19:51.52 | Iridos | at minimum need her to run an ssh (or something) to some external machine |
| 19:52.11 | Iridos | I wonder if there aren't any proxies around you can use with corkscrew :P |
| 19:52.24 | Iridos | but probably a little difficult to do that together with port-forwarding |
| 19:52.44 | FDFlock | Well, instructing someone to configure the router NAT over the phone is not that difficult... it only took me a couple of hours last time I tried it. *sigh* |
| 19:53.15 | xingu | if only there were some sort of online service that allowed you to "go to" their PC. |
| 19:53.20 | Iridos | FDFlock, which is exactly the reason why we won't explain that to him in #d where it's offtopic |
| 19:53.33 | karlpinc | Timmy: Right. Giving her a command to type is not _too_ much. But you'll probably need to try messing with your router. (Don't worry, the marketing folks who designed it made sure it was "easy to use". Fortunately, you can call your tech support and after only a few hours they will eventually help you make it work.) |
| 19:53.40 | boston8372 | yeah maybe 2 guys. replace 1 with a girl. |
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| 19:54.25 | karlpinc | FDFlock: He only needs his own router to port forward, if he can get a ssh command typed at the remote end. |
| 19:54.48 | FDFlock | karlpinc: good point |
| 19:55.00 | Iridos | karlpinc, right... but he said he don't know how to reconfigure his router... and so... |
| 19:55.00 | boston8372 | Timmy what make and model is your router |
| 19:55.01 | Iridos | well? |
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| 19:55.13 | Iridos | so we're kinda done here? |
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| 19:55.20 | pickcoder | ipset returns 100 for fail2ban.. any ideas why |
| 19:55.24 | boston8372 | especially since he just left |
| 19:55.27 | FDFlock | oh no, we scared him! |
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| 19:55.42 | dvs | !next |
| 19:55.43 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 19:55.45 | Boohbah | http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32/program.php?test=pidigits&lang=python3&id=2#sourcecode |
| 19:55.48 | Boohbah | http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32/program.php?test=pidigits&lang=yarv&id=1#sourcecode |
| 19:56.00 | Boohbah | hi everyone, how can you call this a benchmark when the python version uses a C library? |
| 19:56.01 | Iridos | musta been all those long words |
| 19:56.38 | FDFlock | Boohbah: Obviously, most languages use C somewhere in their toolchain, even Java |
| 19:58.23 | FDFlock | Boohbah: And why not? Being able to use C from within Python is one of its strengths. Of course, you might try implementing the relevant libraries in pure Python bytecode. It might be accepted. Good luck. |
| 19:58.25 | Boohbah | FDFlock: but if we are benchmarking a C library then we are not benchmarking python |
| 19:58.36 | abrotman | Boohbah: youc an't avoid C when using Python |
| 19:58.36 | Boohbah | FDFlock: i will try, thanks :) |
| 19:58.57 | karlpinc | Boohbah: You're benchmarking how fast python calls C. (Next!) |
| 19:59.02 | boston8372 | pure python code lol |
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| 19:59.25 | pickcoder | ip_set is not included in 2.6.32-5-686? |
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| 19:59.29 | FDFlock | wants to learn Python someday |
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| 19:59.38 | abrotman | it's not htat hard |
| 19:59.56 | Boohbah | FDFlock: actually what i am going to do is make the ruby version faster |
| 20:00.00 | FDFlock | Well, it looks increadibly readable, that's for sure |
| 20:00.29 | Dulak | pypy is python written in python, so pure python code is not exactly difficult. It's just really dang slow until you compile it down to native in the JIT. |
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| 20:00.58 | dvs | FDFlock: I hate it! |
| 20:01.24 | boston8372 | pickcoder: there is the ipset pkg |
| 20:01.26 | FDFlock | Does pypy have a JIT? [totally off-topic] |
| 20:01.35 | Boohbah | it does appear that all the cool scientists and mathematicians are using python |
| 20:01.46 | pickcoder | it still complains that the kernel module is missing |
| 20:01.54 | pickcoder | I upgraded from lenny so I'm not sure wth is going on |
| 20:02.00 | jelly-home | FDFlock: http://speed.pypy.org/ |
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| 20:02.12 | Dulak | FDFlock: yes, and it's insanely fast. Faster than the cpython implemention in almost every way. |
| 20:02.14 | boston8372 | you chose ipset 2.5.0-1 ? |
| 20:02.50 | pickcoder | yup |
| 20:03.03 | pickcoder | then there's xtables-addons-common that supposedly has ipset too |
| 20:03.06 | pickcoder | they conflict |
| 20:03.14 | pickcoder | neither work |
| 20:03.19 | abrotman | Boohbah: it's easy, and easily extensible |
| 20:03.31 | pickcoder | FATAL: Module ip_set not found. |
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| 20:03.39 | FDFlock | jelly-home, Dulak : wow, that's a very impressive graph. As for being faster than CPython, i'm not surprised, that thing is SLOW. |
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| 20:04.23 | pickcoder | ii ipset 2.5.0-1 |
| 20:04.47 | Dulak | FDFlock: I moved everything I am doing to pypy late last year, every release is free speedups, while cpython stays the same... |
| 20:05.16 | LoneShadow | Hi, I installed multipath-tools and lvm2 on my debian machine, after rebooting, the /etc/fstab wont mount any of my mount points using the UUID, do I need to replace those entries with /dev/mapper/<id> ? |
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| 20:05.34 | pickcoder | I also noticed that the Postfix package from squeeze-backports has NO_NIS specified in the debian/rules.. tsk tsk! |
| 20:05.39 | FDFlock | thanks, i'll definitely keep pypy in mind when I decide to learn some Python for real. |
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| 20:06.27 | boston8372 | did u do apt-get update |
| 20:06.34 | pickcoder | of c ourse |
| 20:07.04 | boston8372 | this spits out when u do what exactly |
| 20:07.24 | pickcoder | duplicate an ipset command from fail2ban |
| 20:08.06 | pickcoder | 2012-04-09 16:07:28,809 fail2ban.actions.action: ERROR ipset -A fail2ban-postfix-ips 200.43.55.251 returned 100 |
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| 20:09.07 | jelly-home | LoneShadow: which debian release? Lenny's libuuid and blkid are too dumb, so yes you need to use multipath device nodes explicitely |
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| 20:10.12 | jelly-home | LoneShadow: I _think_ things ought to work in Debian 6, but have not tried it. |
| 20:11.00 | LoneShadow | I am on debian squeeze, but I had not installed lvm to begin with |
| 20:11.48 | LoneShadow | had 2 hdds for /, swap and /home. After installing these packages, the / gets mounted because of menu.lst, but not my swap or /home |
| 20:12.27 | LoneShadow | I was able to mount with the dev mapper path for /home, I have a little hard time getting the swap to work |
| 20:12.33 | wwwd | I am trying to load the 64bit squeez release. I am running a HP Pavilion with an intel i7. According to the intel site it is 64 bit compatable. I thought it would run the ia64-CD.iso but it will only boot with the amd64-CD.iso. If it boots from the Disk does this mean it will work with my system? |
| 20:12.38 | LoneShadow | am having* |
| 20:13.07 | valdyn | wwwd: you need to use the amd64 or the i386 release, ia64 is something else |
| 20:13.54 | wwwd | Cool! Thanks! |
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| 20:15.07 | valdyn | wwwd: intel call this intel 64 now i think, thats not ia64 |
| 20:15.15 | valdyn | wwwd: it really is amd64 |
| 20:15.37 | pickcoder | is ip_set really a module or is it built-in the kernel |
| 20:15.44 | pickcoder | I can not find an ip_set module on my old 2.6.26 kernel |
| 20:15.50 | pickcoder | s/on/for |
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| 20:15.56 | valdyn | pickcoder: what is it supposed to do? |
| 20:16.09 | pickcoder | it's part of the kernel ip tables management |
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| 20:16.47 | k1ng | how do i remove http://codepad.org/rX69ItAy with sed or something |
| 20:16.53 | wwwd | Now I am getting a message "bad archive mirror" when I try and update packages [I think]. Any idea what I need to do to get conected to a mirror to update/download software? |
| 20:17.08 | valdyn | pickcoder: the module name is indeed ip_set in newer kernels |
| 20:17.19 | pickcoder | I can't find it |
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| 20:17.33 | valdyn | pickcoder: yea, .26 is not exactly new |
| 20:17.44 | pickcoder | I am running .32 |
| 20:17.49 | boston8372 | http://packages.debian.org/sid/ipset |
| 20:17.53 | pickcoder | and it's not in /lib/modules/ either |
| 20:17.58 | pickcoder | the ipset pkg is installed |
| 20:18.06 | valdyn | pickcoder: .32 is appearantly also not new enough |
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| 20:18.18 | pickcoder | so why would the current ipset package refer to an invalid kernel module... |
| 20:18.21 | valdyn | pickcoder: I cant say when it was added |
| 20:18.34 | valdyn | pickcoder: look at that packages depends ? |
| 20:18.36 | pickcoder | this breaks fail2ban royally |
| 20:19.38 | pickcoder | I'm using the squeeze-backport |
| 20:19.40 | educr0w | grr I want to install X server, I try apt-get install xserver-xorg-core and it said 65 newly installed, I don't want 20 video drivers and hardware like wacom table, etc, I just want minimum and add what I really need, how can I do that? |
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| 20:20.08 | valdyn | pickcoder: hold on, im looking |
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| 20:21.21 | pickcoder | well the source is there |
| 20:21.23 | pickcoder | hm |
| 20:22.07 | Iridos | use the source, luke pickcoder, use the source |
| 20:22.22 | valdyn | pickcoder: ipset-source - source for ipset kernel modules |
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| 20:22.45 | pickcoder | gotta build it.. |
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| 20:22.54 | valdyn | pickcoder: its included in newer kernels, but you want to use that source package |
| 20:22.59 | pickcoder | thx |
| 20:23.17 | pickcoder | m-a to the rescue |
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| 20:34.16 | reklipz | I'm running Debian Squeeze. I have two X screens setup on my machine; when I try to open Google Chrome on screen :0.1, it opens on :0.0. All other programs seem to open fine on :0.1; just Google Chrome doesn't want to play nice. Any ideas? |
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| 20:37.02 | waldvogel | reklipz: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=15781 |
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| 20:37.37 | reklipz | waldvogel: Thank you, :). |
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| 20:40.49 | waldvogel | reklipz: yw |
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| 20:47.21 | boston8372 | any java guru's here ? trying to cram the "Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true" into a config file or something |
| 20:48.26 | linux-ninja | loading this little box is turning into a lot of good surprises, first time testing debian and noticed you whoever coded this OS even disable th sysctl of ICMP....probably a security freak like me...;-) |
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| 20:50.46 | pickcoder | how do I get resolvconf to stop screwing up my /etc/resolv.conf? There is a nameserver declaration alread inside "original" but when I reboot it just wipes the file out |
| 20:51.15 | linux-ninja | pickcoder, are you using NetworkManager? |
| 20:51.19 | pickcoder | nope |
| 20:51.22 | pickcoder | this is a server |
| 20:51.41 | linux-ninja | pickcoder, did you code the values in the actual NIC configs? |
| 20:52.04 | pickcoder | not for nameserver, now |
| 20:52.06 | pickcoder | s/now/no |
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| 20:52.33 | linux-ninja | what do you have under /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 20:52.49 | pickcoder | "this is a magical file maintained by resolvconf.. don't edit it" |
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| 20:52.58 | pickcoder | or thereabouts |
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| 20:54.23 | pickcoder | just rebooted and resolving stopped working because it didn't rebuild the file |
| 20:54.40 | draeath | I'm feeling stupid. Is there an apt command that will pull a .deb down and leave it in place? so I can do things to it but not install the package? |
| 20:54.48 | Anthro | Any idea why stunnel4 wouldn't be able to look up a hostname that telnet and nslookup can find just fine? |
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| 20:55.48 | Dulak | draeath: apt-get -d packagename |
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| 20:56.30 | Dulak | draeath: it will download the package into /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 20:56.39 | draeath | just found 'aptitude download' |
| 20:56.42 | linux-ninja | pickcoder, are you running ipv4 or ipv6 |
| 20:56.44 | draeath | does it better - sticks it in the PWD |
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| 20:57.03 | Dinkum | Hello Everybody |
| 20:57.09 | pickcoder | ipv4 with support for 6 |
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| 20:57.20 | PCChris | I have had zero luck connecting to my University's PEAP w/ MSCHAPv2 network using BCM4313. I've tried both the wl driver and the brcm80211 driver...any suggestions? |
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| 20:57.24 | educr0w | I apologize for reapeat, I want to install X server, I try apt-get install xserver-xorg-core and it said 65 newly installed, I don't want 20 video drivers and hardware like wacom table, etc, I just want minimum and add what I really need, how can I do that? |
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| 20:57.46 | boston8372 | just do it anyway |
| 20:58.04 | Dinkum | IN the morning when i left my pc everything was fine but when I came back google chrome has the sound but vlc doesn't, can some one help me finding the root cause |
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| 20:58.25 | Dulak | PCChris: last time I had a nic driver that wouldn't work I used ndiswrapper and the windows driver. Not sure if that is a good idea or not but my nic worked fine. |
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| 20:58.43 | boston8372 | cut and paste into a text file hunt them down if it drives u nuts |
| 20:58.48 | pickcoder | methinks Radium needs a k-line that says "fix your client" |
| 20:58.49 | linux-ninja | pickcoder, are you rules ok? under /etc/udev/rules/70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 20:59.28 | pickcoder | he's probably afk and his client is downloading 10K user names on 20+ channel re-joins |
| 20:59.53 | Dinkum | My vlc has no sound, but my when I see youtube the sound is ok |
| 21:00.06 | linux-ninja | pickcoder, did you figure it out yet? |
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| 21:00.51 | pickcoder | nope.. and fail2ban is marking anywhere/anywhere as the source |
| 21:00.54 | pickcoder | over and over again |
| 21:00.56 | pickcoder | something is fubar |
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| 21:01.25 | linux-ninja | have you look into /etc/network, specially the interfaces? |
| 21:01.48 | pickcoder | what does the interface config, that worked on Lenny, have to do with either of these problems? |
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| 21:02.48 | Iridos | Dinkum, quite the browser you see youtube in, try again |
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| 21:03.46 | Dinkum | Iridos: you mean open new browser or close this one |
| 21:04.07 | Iridos | Dinkum, I mean quit the browser before you watch the stuff in vlc |
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| 21:05.05 | Iridos | huh |
| 21:05.14 | linux-ninja | pickcoder, what is wrong with your client resolver |
| 21:05.16 | Iridos | he must be using a browser-based irc client |
| 21:05.24 | Iridos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:05.43 | Dinkum | Iridos: yes after closing the browser sound is back |
| 21:06.01 | pickcoder | linux-ninja: I have no idea. I edited the file for the time being. |
| 21:06.25 | linux-ninja | pickcoder, where are you pointing under /etc/nsswitch.conf, local dns? |
| 21:06.26 | Iridos | Dinkum, probably flash is blocking your sound device... you can try running the browser with aoss <browsername> and see if that helps |
| 21:06.27 | PCChris | Dulak, thanks, will try that |
| 21:06.31 | Iridos | dpkg, tell Dinkum about dmix |
| 21:06.36 | valsinats | Good evening! How to configure a keyboard shortcut in lxde? |
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| 21:07.18 | Iridos | Dinkum, but dmix should be default pretty much everywhere for the alsa devices. Only the simulated oss-compatibilty devices might not have it (??) |
| 21:07.22 | Iridos | dpkg, tell Dinkum about aoss |
| 21:07.31 | Dinkum | Iridos: Do you know how to fix this, I have another question too, I have some videos on ntfs partition, when I double click them they do not open i have to run vlc first and then i drag them over the vlc |
| 21:07.32 | pickcoder | iles mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
| 21:07.39 | pickcoder | add a "f" to that |
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| 21:07.55 | pickcoder | nameserver is specified in resolv.conf (or should be) |
| 21:08.02 | linux-ninja | pickcoder, you are not using local at all? |
| 21:08.10 | pickcoder | no |
| 21:08.18 | linux-ninja | ok |
| 21:08.43 | pickcoder | it's a border server that gets all the content from internal services |
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| 21:09.02 | linux-ninja | pickcoder, set your entires in /etc/resolv.conf as simple as this |
| 21:09.17 | linux-ninja | nameserver x.x.x.x |
| 21:09.24 | pickcoder | \o/ |
| 21:09.33 | pickcoder | (for the k-line) |
| 21:09.57 | linux-ninja | pickcoder, if you have multiple nameservers then set the multiple entires, if you have a search domain entry add it at the top too |
| 21:10.04 | Iridos | Dinkum, I don#t use filemanagers, so I don't click on anything... so... no |
| 21:10.07 | valsinats | Good evening! How to configure a keyboard shortcut in lxde? |
| 21:10.18 | Dinkum | Iridos: i am brand new to linux, it will be hard for me to grasp everything in one go |
| 21:10.32 | pickcoder | linux-ninja: that is what I had.. until resolvconf was depend-installed after upgrading to squeeze |
| 21:10.40 | pickcoder | now.. that file is managed by a script setup |
| 21:10.58 | Iridos | Dinkum, what browser to you use? |
| 21:11.06 | linux-ninja | pickcoder, ensure NEtworkManager is not messing up with your entries |
| 21:11.19 | linux-ninja | then reload the networking service |
| 21:11.58 | pickcoder | I don't have nm |
| 21:11.58 | Iridos | err "do you use"* |
| 21:13.02 | Dinkum | google chrome |
| 21:13.14 | Dinkum | Iridos: Google Chrome |
| 21:13.30 | Iridos | mmh chromium from squeeze? |
| 21:13.37 | valsinats | Good evening! How to configure a keyboard shortcut in lxde? |
| 21:13.38 | Dinkum | yes |
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| 21:14.17 | Iridos | try calling it with "aoss chromium-browser &" from the commanline instead of some menu and see if you get sound in youtube and in vlc... |
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| 21:14.40 | Iridos | if that alone doesn't work, read the "dmix" factoid dpkg told you... |
| 21:14.54 | Iridos | there's some urls |
| 21:15.03 | Dinkum | aoss command not found |
| 21:15.19 | Iridos | well.. install it... dpkg also told you about aoss |
| 21:15.36 | Iridos | it's in alsa-oss |
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| 21:17.13 | Dinkum | now it is saying chromium-browser not found |
| 21:17.45 | Iridos | then you're not using that from squeeze... |
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| 21:18.30 | Iridos | try "aoss chrom[Tab]" (tab for auto-completing) |
| 21:18.42 | Iridos | or tab-tab to see several alternatives if they exist |
| 21:18.50 | Iridos | heads to bed |
| 21:19.18 | Dinkum | ok it is aoss google-chrome & |
| 21:19.41 | Dinkum | but after running it, i ran vlc but no sound in vlc |
| 21:19.51 | kevlarman | Iridos: chrome doesn't know about oss |
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| 21:20.24 | karlpinc | Dinkum: As someone new to debian you might want to see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware, and the reference guide at debian.org is also helpful when you need details. |
| 21:20.29 | Iridos | kevlarman, I thought only oss devices can be blocked? |
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| 21:20.35 | kevlarman | Iridos: nope |
| 21:20.48 | kevlarman | Iridos: you can open alsa devices exclusively as well |
| 21:20.53 | karlpinc | Dinkum: (Nothing to do with your problem, unless your problem stems from the way you're managing your box.) |
| 21:20.57 | kevlarman | Iridos: although chrome doesn't do that either |
| 21:21.02 | Iridos | kevlarman, oh well... *sigh* |
| 21:21.16 | Iridos | kevlarman, well, it somehow does manage to block it, as he gets sound when he closes it |
| 21:21.19 | kevlarman | Iridos: most likely it's preventing pulseaudio from opening the hardware exclussively |
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| 21:21.27 | Iridos | argh pulse |
| 21:21.36 | kevlarman | Iridos: since squeeze doesn't properly configure alsa to go through pulse |
| 21:22.37 | Dinkum | kevlarman: I just want to use my PC for simple things, I am not a linux guru and I honestly not planning to be one right now, but these small problems killing my time, I will highly appreciate if some one get my problem resolved |
| 21:22.58 | Iridos | kevlarman, ok... so it's not really the old problem from long ago, but really a new problem created by crappy pulse which amazingly looks exactly the same |
| 21:23.09 | Dinkum | before asking to this IRC i try to search internet as much as possible |
| 21:23.32 | kevlarman | Iridos: as much as i hate pulse, this isn't pulse's fault |
| 21:23.38 | kevlarman | Iridos: it's misspackaged |
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| 21:23.45 | Iridos | it is! everything is! |
| 21:23.51 | Dinkum | or should I move to some other linux distro,, I hate unity |
| 21:23.52 | Iridos | I can feel it in my water |
| 21:23.53 | karlpinc | Dinkum: You probably want to ask here first, or perhaps look at the manual(s). Getting random advice off the Internet is usually your last option. |
| 21:24.25 | Dinkum | but last time everybody here ask me to work your way first and then ask here :( |
| 21:24.47 | karlpinc | Dinkum: That means first read the instructions. |
| 21:25.05 | pickcoder | dumps ipset and switches back to basic iptables rules for the time being |
| 21:25.06 | karlpinc | Dinkum: Then ask here. Then ask the people who wrote the software. Google comes last. |
| 21:25.09 | Iridos | Dinkum, the world is harsh and unfair and advice even here sometimes random :) |
| 21:25.18 | Iridos | karlpinc, no way... |
| 21:25.35 | Dinkum | thanks Iridos |
| 21:25.48 | Iridos | people who wrote the software surely are glad if everybody asks THEM before google |
| 21:26.01 | Iridos | I can practially HEAR they cries of joy if everyone follows that advice |
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| 21:26.19 | karlpinc | Iridos: Well, I see what you mean. Googling for a _specific_ error message is often helpful. |
| 21:26.39 | ectospasm | ...or for a manual |
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| 21:26.53 | Iridos | kevlarman, so what's the fix, then? And it seems it _is_ pulses fault for wanting the device exclusively |
| 21:26.58 | karlpinc | Iridos: I said to read the instructions first. If people did that the authors would be happy to help afterwards. But nobody reads the directions. |
| 21:27.18 | Iridos | hehe... right ... or the topic |
| 21:27.24 | Iridos | karlpinc, actually, I do |
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| 21:28.03 | kevlarman | Iridos: it's perfectly reasonable for pulse to want exclusive access |
| 21:28.25 | kevlarman | Iridos: the problem is mixing pulse and notpulse |
| 21:28.36 | kevlarman | you either force everything to use pulse, or you get rid of it |
| 21:28.52 | Iridos | [X] get rid of it |
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| 21:29.33 | Iridos | Dinkum, and relax... nobody's yelling at you :) |
| 21:30.09 | negge | I run a server for a couple of friends (about 40 accounts), and I'm thinking of getting a second server. I would like the users to be able to log in on the new server with the same credentials as the old one. Apparently I'm supposed to do this with LDAP but I'm not sure which way to do it. So basically the accounts already exist as local accounts, and I want separate home directories on the servers. Is this possible? Can anyone give me some po |
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| 21:30.31 | karlpinc | Dinkum: I'm not really up on your problem, but I want to kibbitz anyway. The thing about Linux is that you can get _all_ your software from one place. In this case Debian. And then we make sure it works together. Once you start getting software from other places it's harder to support, although we try to help with the Debian side of things. |
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| 21:31.27 | Dinkum | Iridos: it is ok right now I do not have time to learn linux, but i will one day, and that is my first step towards it, I am thinking of falling back to Ubuntu and uninstall unity from it, because Debian is getting way harder for me, what you suggest I should do |
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| 21:32.15 | karlpinc | Dinkum: Could you use the debian cromium browser instead of the one from google? That might work. (But I know nothing about sound, this is just a guess.) |
| 21:32.50 | Dinkum | is there a debian chromium browser |
| 21:32.55 | kevlarman | Dinkum: you can uninstall pulseaudio, or you can create ~/.asoundrc |
| 21:33.45 | kevlarman | Dinkum: and paste this into it http://paste.pocoo.org/show/578679/ |
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| 21:34.04 | karlpinc | negge: When you say separate home directories, you mean that some people will have a directory on one server and some on another? |
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| 21:34.23 | Iridos | Dinkum, there is... it's called chromium-browser - but in stable, it's as old as squeeze (i.e. version 6.0 of chrome)... which creates its own problems (which I know because I use it) |
| 21:34.23 | negge | karlpinc: I mean the home directories don't need to be synced in any way |
| 21:34.40 | negge | basically I just want to have the same login/passwords on two machines |
| 21:34.43 | Dinkum | which browser is best |
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| 21:36.12 | karlpinc | negge: You "just" need to create an ldap database and use that for authentication via the pam_ldap pam module. The hard part is maintaining the database. I don't know of a good front-end that makes editing the ldap content easy, but I'm not really up on it. (RH open source something, some time ago....) |
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| 21:36.22 | Boohbah | Dinkum: google chromium |
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| 21:36.44 | Dinkum | hmm |
| 21:36.47 | karlpinc | s/source/sourced/ |
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| 21:36.49 | Dinkum | ok guys see you around |
| 21:36.54 | Dinkum | thanks for helping |
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| 21:37.10 | negge | karlpinc: do I need to "migrate" the local user accounts to LDAP or something? Or can I configure the new server to authenticate using LDAP, and the server (running on the old server) just authenticates against the local accounts (which already exist)? |
| 21:37.45 | karlpinc | negge: Any accounts you leave in the unix database (/etc/passwd) will be accessable only from the old server. |
| 21:37.55 | negge | crap |
| 21:38.10 | Iridos | you could just sync /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow once a day :P |
| 21:38.18 | Iridos | with all the problems that produces... |
| 21:38.20 | negge | Iridos: yes I thought of that, but it seems awfully ugly |
| 21:38.36 | ectospasm | hacking isn't always pretty |
| 21:38.38 | negge | karlpinc: so you're saying all local logins need to be "migrated" to LDAP accounts somehow? |
| 21:38.49 | Iridos | yeah... it's a pity there's no nice tools around for that |
| 21:38.53 | negge | may I say I have very little experience with LDAP overall (just some basics in school) |
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| 21:40.13 | karlpinc | negge: If you want to share the auth db between boxes you need a database that's shared. LDAP or something else. Ldap is probably the best choice for a shared auth db. |
| 21:40.44 | negge | okay. Somehow I get the feeling I'm gonna have to do a lot of reading to get this seemingly simple thing working :/ |
| 21:41.28 | Iridos | negge, there's also NIS :) |
| 21:41.31 | Iridos | *shudder* |
| 21:42.00 | negge | why the shudder? |
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| 21:42.12 | Iridos | isn't NIS short for "network insecurity system"? |
| 21:42.17 | karlpinc | negge: It's, uh, creaky. |
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| 21:43.12 | Iridos | actually I have a bit experience with NIS, but not with ldap, so not sure if that's better |
| 21:43.16 | karlpinc | negge: There _ought_ to be a easy way to manage/migrate to ldap, but I thought that years ago and there wasn't then and I don't keep up with it but have not happened across anything. |
| 21:43.28 | negge | okay |
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| 21:43.33 | negge | I guess I'll continue reading guides |
| 21:43.37 | ectospasm | ldap is more complex than NIS |
| 21:43.51 | negge | I'm not even sure if we'll get a second server yet, we'd need to share the costs for a dedicated box somewhere |
| 21:44.00 | Iridos | which doesn't actually qualify as "better" |
| 21:44.12 | ectospasm | Iridos: no, it doesn't. |
| 21:44.24 | ectospasm | depends on what you mean by "better" |
| 21:44.25 | karlpinc | Iridos: I did both, years ago, and ldap was better. But also hard in strange and unexpected ways. |
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| 21:45.14 | ectospasm | When I set up NIS, it was far simpler than LDAP. Following KISS, I went with NIS. |
| 21:45.29 | karlpinc | negge: It's nice having a auth db in ldap anyway, because it makes it easy to allow, say, imap access while not allowing ssh access. Easy in that it's easily controlled by editing the db. |
| 21:45.53 | Iridos | negge, another fun hacky way would be to share /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow via sshfs :D |
| 21:46.12 | ectospasm | or drbd... |
| 21:46.14 | negge | Iridos: well that certainly sounds hackish |
| 21:46.34 | negge | karlpinc: sure. In this case there would have to be away to allow logins to the new server only for certain users |
| 21:46.42 | negge | I'm reading up a bit on NIS |
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| 21:47.13 | ectospasm | iirc, NIS communicates in cleartext, you'd probably want to use something like stunnel to encrypt the channel. |
| 21:47.19 | petern_ | say someone... "hypothetically" had a sarge system |
| 21:47.36 | petern_ | would you upgrade it or scrap it? heh |
| 21:47.36 | negge | ectospasm: I think we'd use a site-to-site tunnel using OpenVPN for this purpose |
| 21:47.37 | Iridos | petern_, "a friend"? |
| 21:47.46 | petern_ | yes yes, one of them |
| 21:48.11 | Iridos | keep using it for nostalgic reasons as-is :D |
| 21:48.12 | ectospasm | petern_: upgrade is probably not an option |
| 21:48.21 | karlpinc | petern_: Depends. Either you need to upgrade to lenny and then squeeze, by following the release notes, or just backup what you need and start over. |
| 21:48.37 | negge | sounds like starting over would be easier |
| 21:48.41 | petern_ | karlpinc, and etch |
| 21:48.42 | ectospasm | are the lenny repos still available? |
| 21:48.50 | petern_ | archives, yeah |
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| 21:49.00 | Iridos | starting over would pretty surely be quicker |
| 21:49.07 | ectospasm | it be far less hassle to start over from scratch. |
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| 21:49.24 | ectospasm | ...just backup any data that you need to keep... |
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| 21:49.28 | Iridos | dpkg, tell petern_ about debian clone |
| 21:49.33 | petern_ | yeah, except for the lack of easy physical access. so a friend tells me ;) |
| 21:49.33 | karlpinc | petern_: Starting over could result in a cleaner system. You'd discard all the cruft. But it could see more downtime, unless you have another box to work from. |
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| 21:49.47 | Iridos | petern_, you could try to get as close as possible to your old package selection that way |
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| 21:50.09 | Iridos | after a fresh install |
| 21:50.25 | negge | Iridos: NIS seems very straight-forward and easy, at least judging by this (quite old) article: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/36 |
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| 21:51.23 | negge | although it seems it's highly unrecommended |
| 21:51.44 | karlpinc | negge: You might consider radius. I'm not sure what's involved but it works and is simpler than ldap. |
| 21:51.50 | Iridos | negge, mind that it's really insecure... there's nis+, which, afaik is also insecure despite encryption... so if the machines aren't alone on the same subnet behind a NAT or the like, you want to tunnel all that stuff, which isn't so straight-forward anymore |
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| 21:52.46 | Iridos | negge, of course, if they ARE the only ones on a subnet and sniffing or incorporating one of the other machines is no concern, go with it |
| 21:53.16 | negge | I guess I'll need to do some testing. I'm still not sure if NIS enables me to deny logins for certain users |
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| 21:55.16 | Iridos | gn |
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| 22:00.48 | scwizard | according to the wiki: "Wheezy only contains the current series. [of graphics drivers] |
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| 22:01.40 | scwizard | so out of these graphics cards: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/195.36.24/README/supportedchips.html |
| 22:01.52 | scwizard | which one is cheap but still nice? |
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| 22:03.55 | Dulak | scwizard: the GT450 is a pretty nice card for cheap |
| 22:04.33 | Dulak | scwizard: GTS450 even |
| 22:04.44 | scwizard | Dulak, I don't see it on that list there |
| 22:04.54 | scwizard | when I ctrl+F |
| 22:05.03 | scwizard | maybe you can tell me what the Device PCI ID is? |
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| 22:08.37 | Dulak | scwizard: 0x0DC4 |
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| 22:09.44 | scwizard | Dulak, it's simply not on the list there, of supported GPU products |
| 22:10.25 | Dulak | scwizard: it's newer than anything on that list but the drivers support it, I have 2 of them. |
| 22:10.34 | kevlarman | scwizard: why are you looking at such ancient drivers? |
| 22:10.36 | scwizard | o |
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| 22:11.05 | scwizard | kevlarman, cause ir confuse |
| 22:11.10 | Dulak | scwizard: it's not a gamer card, but it's a good cheap nvidia card. If you want high FPS you need to go over the $100 line, really. |
| 22:11.23 | scwizard | I don't want high fps I want a supported video card u_u |
| 22:11.41 | kevlarman | scwizard: if you aren't doing any 3d i'd suggest radeon |
| 22:11.48 | kevlarman | (for the open soruce driver) |
| 22:11.55 | kevlarman | source* |
| 22:12.01 | scwizard | well its like this |
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| 22:12.21 | scwizard | I would like to play minecraft, but putting a nice video card won't do much for that game |
| 22:12.24 | scwizard | when the processor is :/ |
| 22:12.47 | Dulak | My son gets 50 fps playing Wow under wine on the GTS450 i put in his machine. |
| 22:12.50 | kevlarman | scwizard: radeon is perfectly capable of running minecraft |
| 22:13.09 | kevlarman | scwizard: by 3d i mean something that requires actually fast graphics and drivers |
| 22:13.11 | scwizard | "running minecraft" is a gradient |
| 22:13.19 | scwizard | but yeah you're probably right |
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| 22:13.35 | scwizard | so what's a cheat supported radeon card? |
| 22:13.37 | scwizard | *cheap |
| 22:13.59 | kevlarman | scwizard: i don't know that well enough |
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| 22:14.23 | abrotman | what a silly conversation |
| 22:14.32 | kevlarman | scwizard: keep in mind you'll want drivers newer than squeeze for anything newer than hd2000 series |
| 22:14.52 | scwizard | well I'm using wheezy |
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| 22:15.42 | abrotman | scwizard: what video card do you have now? does it work ? |
| 22:15.46 | kevlarman | as far as hardware, i'd just pick up the evergreen (hd5000 series), but i've heard conflicting stories on how well the open source driver supports evergreen |
| 22:15.51 | scwizard | it is a 173 legacy one |
| 22:15.54 | scwizard | so it doesn't work with wheezy |
| 22:16.00 | kevlarman | scwizard: also try nouveau |
| 22:16.06 | scwizard | nouveau doesn't work |
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| 22:16.13 | kevlarman | if it's that old it's probably supported by nouveau |
| 22:16.16 | scwizard | I get horrible graphical glitches in gnome |
| 22:16.17 | abrotman | is so glad he doesn't have to deal with amd or nvidia |
| 22:16.26 | abrotman | scwizard: FWIW, have you reported them ? |
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| 22:16.37 | scwizard | I'll get around to it later Z_Z |
| 22:17.19 | abrotman | oh .. so helpful .. thanks |
| 22:17.26 | kevlarman | ,versions libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 22:17.27 | judd | Package: libgl1-mesa-dri on i386 -- lenny: 7.0.3-7; squeeze: 7.7.1-5; squeeze-backports: 7.10.3-4~bpo60+1; sid: 7.11.2-1; wheezy: 7.11.2-1; experimental: 8.0-2 |
| 22:17.28 | abrotman | will get around to recommending a better video card later ... |
| 22:17.53 | kevlarman | wow, even backports isn't terrible |
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| 22:25.52 | spersaud_ | how do I find out if my computer is associated with any domain names ? |
| 22:26.01 | spersaud_ | I am getting a message in mutt about freshpc.biz |
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| 22:26.15 | spersaud_ | I might have tried to setup a domain for my box |
| 22:26.20 | spersaud_ | now I can find where it is |
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| 22:26.24 | spersaud_ | any suggestions ? |
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| 22:27.42 | DjSt3rios | Hello, I need some help. How can I run a sh file including its output? |
| 22:27.47 | DjSt3rios | I am trying to run it through putty |
| 22:28.02 | spersaud_ | From: Cron Daemon <root@freshpc.biz> |
| 22:28.11 | Dulak | DjSt3rios: what de you mean by including it's output? |
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| 22:28.16 | DjSt3rios | Well |
| 22:28.21 | DjSt3rios | I have a game server |
| 22:28.24 | DjSt3rios | which shows in the console |
| 22:28.27 | DjSt3rios | some information |
| 22:28.29 | DjSt3rios | like players |
| 22:28.31 | DjSt3rios | or errors |
| 22:28.36 | DjSt3rios | so I can run the sh file |
| 22:28.39 | DjSt3rios | which runs the java |
| 22:28.40 | babilen | !tell spersaud_ -about hostname |
| 22:28.50 | DjSt3rios | but i want to be able to see the 'console' |
| 22:28.57 | DjSt3rios | as it would run in windows as .bat file |
| 22:28.59 | babilen | !enter |
| 22:29.00 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 22:29.19 | Dulak | DjSt3rios: run it under screen or tmux, then you can detach from the console and reattach later |
| 22:29.30 | babilen | DjSt3rios: Just open a terminal and run it in there. |
| 22:29.30 | DjSt3rios | ehm well |
| 22:29.43 | DjSt3rios | Im doing sh myshfile.sh |
| 22:29.51 | DjSt3rios | but i cannot see what it writes |
| 22:29.53 | DjSt3rios | and also |
| 22:29.56 | Dulak | I ran my cstrike server under screen for years |
| 22:29.56 | DjSt3rios | i can not setup VNC |
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| 22:30.05 | DjSt3rios | Its a VPS :( |
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| 22:30.12 | DjSt3rios | so I only have SSH and FTP access |
| 22:30.18 | DjSt3rios | I tried to setup a vnc server |
| 22:30.19 | babilen | DjSt3rios: Please cut back on the enter key -- It is quite hard to follow you and punctuation has been invented for a reason. |
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| 22:30.46 | DjSt3rios | but it shows some weird things, something like options, maybe because its VPS and not a dedicated |
| 22:31.10 | babilen | DjSt3rios: In that case heed Dulak's advice and run it within a screen or tmux session. (/msg dpkg screen ; /msg dpkg tmux) |
| 22:31.59 | DjSt3rios | so i can pretty much do it through putty |
| 22:32.02 | DjSt3rios | using this tmux |
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| 22:32.23 | Dulak | Yes. |
| 22:32.34 | babilen | DjSt3rios: tmux or screen, whatever you prefer :) |
| 22:32.47 | DjSt3rios | Hmmm, okay |
| 22:32.48 | DjSt3rios | but |
| 22:32.53 | DjSt3rios | isn't screen like a GUI? |
| 22:33.03 | DjSt3rios | I mean, don't I need to watch the desktop to see it? |
| 22:33.16 | babilen | DjSt3rios: Why don't you read "/msg dpkg screen" and learn about it. And *please* stop using the enter key as punctuation. |
| 22:33.35 | Dulak | It's a multiplexer, not a desktop. It runs entirely in the shell, through SSH, no X required. |
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| 22:34.03 | babilen | And no, you don't have to watch it constantly. You essentially log into your server, start a program and can then "detatch" from the session. |
| 22:34.40 | DjSt3rios | Hmm alright, Thanks a lot, I will try it tomorrow morning, it was big help people. |
| 22:34.57 | DjSt3rios | I have to go now, unfortunely its 1:30 AM, good night to everyone |
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| 22:42.39 | mmnicolas | multiplexer is just a cool word for terminal manager |
| 22:43.04 | abrotman | it is? |
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| 22:44.05 | mmnicolas | yep, they choose this because it sounds good ;) |
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| 22:46.11 | xSmurf | anyone here versed with udev? I'm trying to map two identical disks apart from one is sata and one is through a usb adaptor... I'm trying to map them to /dev/block-sata and /dev/block-usb (for example) but some some reason the usb device always maps to the other rule. for the usb device I have SUBSYSTEMS=usb and the ATTRS{serial}, for the sata I have SUBSYSTEMS=="scsi", DRIVERS=="ahci" and the model number |
| 22:46.19 | sunbeam | whats considered a good text editor for debian gnome? |
| 22:48.01 | dvs | !start an editor war |
| 22:48.01 | dpkg | "cat >" blows. |
| 22:48.06 | abrotman | sunbeam: a GUI editor ? |
| 22:48.25 | abrotman | sunbeam: if you just need a simple editor, gedit works just fine |
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| 22:54.37 | ztag100 | geany is good if your writing code, but if your just editing configs gedit is good |
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| 22:56.47 | sunbeam | ok |
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| 22:57.02 | fruitbag | Hey. |
| 22:58.36 | fruitbag | The Debian installation program attempts to access the optical drive after booting from a USB stick. Is there anything I can do? |
| 22:58.55 | fruitbag | Could I disguise my USB stick as an optical drive? |
| 22:59.15 | babilen | fruitbag: Shouldn't happen. How did you create the USB stick? |
| 22:59.27 | sunbeam | What would be a good desktop system for debian squeeze? |
| 22:59.27 | fruitbag | With cat. |
| 22:59.30 | sunbeam | Gnome? |
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| 22:59.39 | sunbeam | The default one that can be chosen when i install debian |
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| 23:00.20 | babilen | fruitbag: "cat the.iso > /dev/sd?" ? Which image? |
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| 23:00.44 | abrotman | fruitbag: you used unetbootin didn't you ? |
| 23:01.08 | babilen | fruitbag says "cat" |
| 23:01.42 | babilen | Symptoms are indicative of unetbootin though ... Could you please give us the exact commands you used fruitbag ? |
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| 23:02.57 | fruitbag | Sure. |
| 23:03.02 | fruitbag | Just a moment. |
| 23:03.48 | fruitbag | 'cat debian-6.0.4-i386-CD-1.iso > /dev/sdb' |
| 23:03.52 | fruitbag | 'sync' |
| 23:05.25 | xSmurf | shakes fist at udev |
| 23:07.39 | lapsusbrutus | sunbeam: I am a very very happy user of debian wheezy with awesomewm as window manager and rxvt-unicode as filemanager :) But needs a little love and tuning before it gets really awesome. |
| 23:08.24 | babilen | +1 |
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| 23:10.21 | abrotman | accuses babilen of using launchpad too much |
| 23:10.42 | babilen | I used it *once* (today) -- How did you find out? |
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| 23:11.07 | fruitbag | Any thoughts, guys? |
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| 23:11.47 | babilen | fruitbag: You created the image correctly and it shouldn't behave like that. I've only ever seen that behaviour with usb sticks that have been created with unetbootin. |
| 23:12.07 | abrotman | fruitbag: try it with just the netinst if you can |
| 23:12.26 | fruitbag | I certainly will. |
| 23:12.28 | babilen | CD1 should be a hybrid image too, shouldn't it? |
| 23:12.41 | abrotman | should .. who knows |
| 23:12.46 | babilen | heh |
| 23:12.49 | abrotman | i've never used a whole CD myself :) |
| 23:13.01 | abrotman | i don't think i've used anything other than a netinst in like .. 10 years? |
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| 23:13.21 | babilen | And you probably want DVD1 anyway if you plan to install Gnome from it. netinstall is the way to go if you have internet connection though. |
| 23:13.44 | babilen | fruitbag: What kind of hardware are you installing on? Do you have internet connection during/after the installation? |
| 23:14.24 | fruitbag | I working with an IBM Thinkpad T60. |
| 23:14.38 | fruitbag | I appreciate your help, guys. |
| 23:15.01 | fruitbag | I'll try a netinst. |
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| 23:17.02 | sunbeam | should i upgrade to gnome 3.4 ? since with debian squeeze still gnome 2 is installed |
| 23:17.54 | abrotman | sunbeam: how would you do that? |
| 23:18.35 | lapsusbrutus | sunbeam: id use wheezy if desktop. Its pretty stable even though "unstable" |
| 23:18.50 | abrotman | what could go wrong .. |
| 23:20.04 | ztag100 | I'm using squeeze on this laptop, it's stable |
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| 23:21.09 | pickcoder | what, if anything, replaced amavis-stats? |
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| 23:25.09 | babilen | !tell sunbeam -about install xfce |
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| 23:26.52 | babilen | sunbeam: I would also recommend to learn about Debian. You probably should read the sample chapter (or complete book) at http://debian-handbook.info/liberation/, the Debian reference and some CLI tutorials. See "/msg dpkg introduction" for an overview ... or "/msg dpkg reference" and "/msg dpkg general cli tutorial" for those that I mentioned. |
| 23:27.50 | sunbeam | ok |
| 23:28.49 | babilen | Welcome to Debian btw |
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| 23:30.17 | Dinkum | guys my sound is working on one software at a time how to fix please help |
| 23:31.17 | babilen | Dinkum: Some people use pulseaudio for that -- See "/msg dpkg pulseaudio" -- Make sure that you configure a suitable /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc |
| 23:31.25 | babilen | (or rather against that) |
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| 23:32.07 | Dinkum | babilen: i am very new to linux i don't know how to program /etc/asound.conf |
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| 23:33.47 | babilen | Dinkum: It is explained in the forum post -- But you want something like http://paste.debian.net/162679/ |
| 23:34.36 | Dinkum | so if i copy paste that in /etc/asound.conf will it fix the issue |
| 23:35.09 | Dinkum | babilen: right now i have nothing in that file |
| 23:35.25 | babilen | Dinkum: Yes, that doesn't surprise me as you have to create it manually. |
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| 23:36.01 | babilen | Dinkum: It will *only* fix certain issues if you use pulseaudio. Please read "/msg dpkg pulseaudio" and referenced documents. |
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| 23:40.03 | sunbeam | When I press backspace now in terminal, ^? each time gets typed.. how can I change this? |
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| 23:44.06 | Dulak | sunbeam what terminal is it? |
| 23:44.16 | sunbeam | Dulak: the default one |
| 23:44.20 | sunbeam | i don't know |
| 23:44.56 | Dulak | sunbeam: Edit -> Profile Preferences -> Compatibility tab |
| 23:45.36 | Dulak | sunbeam: You can set the sequence sent by backspace and delete there. I use ASCII DEL and Escape Sequence myself, seems to have the best luck. |
| 23:45.55 | sunbeam | thanks |
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| 23:47.06 | onegin | i want to set my default web browser so applications like xchat can open url's hwen i click them, but no one in #xchat knows what command xchat is launching, derp the systems 'default browser', but i dont know what 'default browser' means, i dont have x-www-browser installed, and no in in xchat knows what command it acutally launches as the 'default browser' |
| 23:47.16 | onegin | so what is this mysterious 'browser' command in debian |
| 23:47.20 | onegin | does anyone know |
| 23:47.26 | onegin | if i knew what it was then i could configure it |
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| 23:48.33 | simonlnu | you won't have x-www-browser installed. it's part of alternatives and such things. |
| 23:48.47 | simonlnu | update-alternative --list x-www-browser |
| 23:48.48 | onegin | i know |
| 23:48.52 | simonlnu | update-alternatives --list x-www-browser |
| 23:48.57 | onegin | but what is the 'systems default browser', what command is it |
| 23:49.04 | onegin | what command is xchat actually launching |
| 23:49.08 | onegin | no one in #xchat knows |
| 23:49.11 | simonlnu | update-alternatives --list x-www-browser |
| 23:49.16 | onegin | kso i want to know if anyone here knows what the 'system browser' is |
| 23:49.24 | simonlnu | take a look at yours... |
| 23:49.26 | onegin | x-www-browser is not in my path, i do not have it |
| 23:49.31 | onegin | its something else... obviously |
| 23:49.36 | simonlnu | ffs, run that command |
| 23:50.08 | kevlarman | onegin: it's most likely xdg-open |
| 23:50.17 | onegin | update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for x-www-browser. |
| 23:50.19 | onegin | ure not listening to me |
| 23:50.19 | Dulak | xchat launches as 'xchat' by default. No options. |
| 23:50.21 | onegin | i told u i dont have it |
| 23:50.30 | onegin | simonlnu, are u getting it |
| 23:50.34 | onegin | can u hear the words out of my mouth |
| 23:50.37 | simonlnu | look at what xdg-open launches |
| 23:50.47 | simonlnu | no, i couldn't possibly hear you ;) |
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| 23:54.15 | babilen | onegin: There is also gnome-default-browser (alternatives) and the default browser in gnome's settings. |
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| 23:54.32 | kfizz | I'm trying to mount a single drive from a NAS (an iOmega ix2-200 which died, but HDD are good) set up as RAID1 but not having any luck. I've pastebin'd the output of fdisk, mke2fs, e2fsck, testdisk and mount commands along with some more info if anyone would be kind enough to take a look: http://pastebin.com/DxkSCyqV |
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| 23:54.55 | onegin | yea |
| 23:54.56 | onegin | once again |
| 23:54.59 | onegin | im not using fucking gnome |
| 23:55.01 | abrotman | anyone ask him which linux and/or which WM ? |
| 23:55.18 | abrotman | onegin: dpkg -l xchat .. what's the version ? |
| 23:55.19 | onegin | i want to know what this 'system registered default browser is' |
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| 23:55.32 | onegin | xdg-open dont seem to tell me either |
| 23:55.33 | onegin | but yea.. |
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| 23:55.37 | onegin | thats what it is |
| 23:55.41 | abrotman | onegin: dpkg -l xchat .. what's the version ? |
| 23:55.41 | onegin | if i know what its calling |
| 23:55.44 | onegin | wheres the setting for it |
| 23:56.02 | onegin | the latest version |
| 23:56.08 | abrotman | NO .. what is the version |
| 23:56.19 | onegin | i dont see what that has to do with anything |
| 23:56.21 | abrotman | you want answers from us, you'l lhave to answer our questions |
| 23:56.29 | onegin | i just want to know what this debian 'system browser' is |
| 23:56.35 | abrotman | ok .. solve it yourself .. have a good day! |
| 23:56.37 | onegin | yea i dont think any of you understand anything |
| 23:56.44 | onegin | you cant even answer my question |
| 23:56.50 | abrotman | you can't answer mine |
| 23:56.59 | abrotman | and mine is far more simple |
| 23:57.02 | streuner_ | onegin: i have 3 options, and it opens iceape |
| 23:57.10 | abrotman | streuner_: please don't |
| 23:57.33 | streuner_ | onegin, chromium, iceape and iceweasel, but abrotman is right, just please tell us the version of xchat |
| 23:57.45 | onegin | abramart, 2.8.8-3 |
| 23:57.47 | streuner_ | otherwise we cant help |
| 23:57.55 | onegin | yea. im telling u, i dont have any of that installed, no gnome, no x-www-browser |
| 23:57.59 | onegin | i want to know what debian is doing |
| 23:58.02 | onegin | what is the 'default browser' |
| 23:58.04 | onegin | that xchat is opening |
| 23:58.06 | onegin | no on there knows |
| 23:58.07 | babilen | Shouldn't x-www-browser be on every system that has a browser installed? |
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| 23:58.15 | abrotman | onegin: stop ranting .. shut up for a minute .. |
| 23:58.18 | onegin | its whatever xdg-open is doing |
| 23:58.25 | onegin | i want to know where this preference is |
| 23:58.29 | abrotman | gives up .. |
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| 23:58.42 | onegin | xdg-open < update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for x-www-browser. |
| 23:58.43 | onegin | err |
| 23:58.50 | onegin | xdg-open # Utility script to open a URL in the registered default application |
| 23:58.59 | engla | onegin: it's in ~/.local/share/applications |
| 23:59.00 | onegin | what is the 'registered default application' in debian |
| 23:59.03 | onegin | its nothign to do with xchat |
| 23:59.06 | onegin | ok engla finally |
| 23:59.15 | onegin | you people dont listen |
| 23:59.20 | onegin | your'e all fukcing morons |
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| 23:59.29 | babilen | wtf? |
| 23:59.30 | abrotman | that wasn't teh answer .. |
| 23:59.34 | engla | onegin: not sure if that's what xchat uses but those are the desktop file etc associations |
| 23:59.35 | streuner_ | true |
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| 23:59.56 | Dulak | I told him it is called as 'xchat' by default unless you change the launcher. |
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