| 00:00.02 | gear4 | Then, I moved it to "index2.php" |
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| 00:00.29 | gear4 | And it downloads that file |
| 00:00.31 | gear4 | so, plz |
| 00:00.31 | jelly-home | gear4: a2enmod php5 |
| 00:00.40 | gear4 | jelly-home, hmm |
| 00:00.52 | gear4 | wouldn't it be enabled by default when install php ? |
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| 00:01.04 | jelly-home | !tias |
| 00:01.04 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 00:01.22 | gear4 | jelly-home, ERROR: Module php5 does not exist! |
| 00:01.42 | jelly-home | gear4: which php5 build have you installed, then? |
| 00:01.57 | gear4 | uh |
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| 00:02.03 | gear4 | the one from the repository ? |
| 00:02.17 | gear4 | sudo apt-get install php5 libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 00:02.51 | jelly-home | gear4: if you installed libapache2-mod-php5 a2enmod would be able to enable it, I think. |
| 00:03.23 | jelly-home | gear4: run just "a2enmod" without arguments |
| 00:03.31 | jelly-home | (as root, of course) |
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| 00:03.37 | holycow | hi all |
| 00:03.41 | themill | gear4: would you have managed to delete the config files for that package too? |
| 00:03.43 | gear4 | jelly-home, "libapache2-mod-php5 is already the newest version." |
| 00:03.58 | gear4 | themill, not sure |
| 00:03.58 | gear4 | and, it wasn' me |
| 00:04.02 | gear4 | wasn't * |
| 00:04.06 | jelly-home | gear4: did you do any manual deletion in /etc/apache directory? |
| 00:04.16 | gear4 | I haven't been on since the install of the machine |
| 00:04.23 | themill | gear4: does «/etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf» exist? |
| 00:04.30 | gear4 | themill, no |
| 00:04.31 | holycow | i have been looking for an sftp/ftp type of solution that would allow clients to use a graphical interface client to copy files directly on the server. i have noticed that sftp does not have the equivalent of copy, it has the equivalent of mv via rename. |
| 00:04.37 | gear4 | jelly-home, no |
| 00:04.42 | holycow | does anyone know if sftp/ftp support copy on the server at all? |
| 00:04.47 | jelly-home | gear4: well it seems someone did. |
| 00:04.50 | themill | gear4: so use confmiss to reinstall libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 00:05.17 | themill | gear4: you may also like to look at debsums to find out what other surprises are waiting for you. /msg dpkg debsums |
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| 00:05.56 | gear4 | kk |
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| 00:07.11 | gear4 | kk |
| 00:08.22 | gear4 | Thank you guys a lot :) |
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| 00:08.38 | gear4 | especially you themill :) |
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| 00:16.42 | reder | hi how can i check firebird is installed on Debian with ssh ? |
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| 00:16.57 | abrotman | firebird? |
| 00:17.06 | reder | yess firebird is a database system |
| 00:17.11 | reder | like a mysql, mssql |
| 00:17.16 | abrotman | i know what it is |
| 00:17.21 | abrotman | reder: dpkg -l "*firebird*" |
| 00:18.30 | reder | him thank you abrotman i can see firebird-server and firebird2.5-super |
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| 00:18.50 | reder | but when i use to /etc/init.d/firebird2.5-super start command |
| 00:18.56 | reder | making nothing |
| 00:19.01 | reder | sorry for my bad english |
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| 00:19.45 | abrotman | making nothing what? |
| 00:19.57 | reder | giving no result |
| 00:20.03 | reder | not giving any result |
| 00:20.10 | reder | like a restarting, stoping starting |
| 00:20.28 | reder | root@debian:/etc/init.d# /etc/init.d/firebird2.5-super stART |
| 00:20.28 | reder | root@debian:/etc/init.d# |
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| 00:21.59 | gear4 | stART ? |
| 00:22.39 | reder | i tryed start |
| 00:22.41 | reder | but same |
| 00:22.48 | reder | not any changin |
| 00:22.48 | reder | g |
| 00:23.14 | taulus | Grr! Frustrated beginner :) |
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| 00:24.13 | taulus | How can I find out if a nvidia driver is installed on new install of Debian 6.0.4 |
| 00:24.34 | somiaj | taulus: for most part it will not be |
| 00:24.53 | somiaj | taulus: dpkg -l | grep nvidia could help, but unless you installed the non-free repo and then installed the nvidia non-free drivers you wont have it |
| 00:24.58 | somiaj | by default debian does not include non-free |
| 00:25.44 | taulus | I don't think I need 3D support as I deal with mostly text files, browser and photos. I think I need the nv drivers? |
| 00:25.59 | somiaj | what nvidia card, nouveau is replacing nv |
| 00:26.19 | taulus | GeForce GTS 450 |
| 00:26.52 | taulus | I read that nouveau id experimental. |
| 00:26.59 | taulus | is* |
| 00:27.23 | kevlarman | taulus: it works fine, it just can't do any hardware acceleration on fermi |
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| 00:27.45 | kevlarman | it doesn't know how to do powersaving, so the card is stuck at its minimum clock |
| 00:27.54 | taulus | SO nouveau is the better choice? |
| 00:28.11 | kevlarman | which is generally low enough it can't even decode video in realtime |
| 00:28.12 | somiaj | yea the gts 450 is a bit new you will want xorg and a kernel from backports for it |
| 00:28.23 | somiaj | you will probably want the nvidia drivers from backports if you choose the non-free route as well |
| 00:28.57 | taulus | Ah! I read a little about that, felt quite daunted by it :( |
| 00:29.05 | somiaj | taulus: I personally use the non-free nvidia drivers as besides they are 'non-free' find them to work in most cases I need them. |
| 00:29.44 | somiaj | taulus: but I would either use the nvidia non-free dirvers or nouveau and grab a kernel and xorg from backports for that card. (note you could run it in squeeze proper but you will get better drivers since your card is new from backports) |
| 00:30.20 | taulus | Unfortunatly I have no idea how to do that. |
| 00:30.44 | somiaj | !tell taulus -about squeeze-backports |
| 00:31.12 | somiaj | taulus: for the most part it is a) modify your sources.list, b) apt-get update, c) apt-get -t squeeze-backports install foo |
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| 00:32.35 | grothendieck | installing nvidia/dkms drivers from backports worked perfectly for me (using wheezy with nvidia GT520) |
| 00:32.49 | taulus | Is there a document that will explain how I can do this in debian support? |
| 00:33.26 | grothendieck | taulus: http://wiki/debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 00:34.38 | grothendieck | basically you install (from backports) linux kernel headers and install nvidia-kernel-dkms and then it "just works" |
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| 00:35.51 | grothendieck | you (probably) need to install from backports because the newer Nvidia drivers are not in the stable repo |
| 00:36.53 | somiaj | taulus: I sent you a factoid that tells you how to use squeeze-backports, read it |
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| 00:43.45 | born2troll | guys can someone tell me how to change the resolution in command line mode? all wikis are tellim me im supposed to change /boot/something -.- |
| 00:44.04 | abrotman | so change what they tell you to change |
| 00:45.00 | born2troll | abrotman, i dont care! in every file the first line is sth like "#do not change this file manually" |
| 00:45.12 | abrotman | and it probably tells you which file to really change |
| 00:45.20 | abrotman | and if you don't care, why should we care .. good luck! |
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| 00:48.09 | chelz | how do you make sense of /proc/crypto to find out what key sizes are specifically supported? i get minimum and maximum, but in between? |
| 00:48.26 | Rug | Can anybody suggest a good tablet that I could install Debian on? I was thinking of the Transformer Prime, but XDA seems to have some issues posted about it. |
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| 00:49.03 | abrotman | chelz: for which type of encryption? |
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| 00:49.22 | chelz | abrotman: any supported cipher |
| 00:49.29 | abrotman | chelz: not all of them have a min/max |
| 00:49.30 | grothendieck | Rug: Somebody I know had ubuntu running on a nook color pretty successfully |
| 00:49.48 | abrotman | Rug: probably check the Wiki .. |
| 00:50.10 | grothendieck | Also check out Motorola XOOM |
| 00:50.26 | chelz | abrotman: well i mean how or where does one look to determine possible key sizes for a cipher, and places all say /proc/crypto, but i don't know about in between |
| 00:50.49 | Rug | Xoom is getting long in the teeth, but thanks for the info. |
| 00:52.57 | abrotman | chelz: the kernel docs don't look very helpful on that file |
| 00:53.05 | chelz | abrotman: yeah ;/ |
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| 00:58.23 | bytetracker | anyone know of a good mirror to dl a weekly build iso, the last 4 i have tried are crap. i.e. the one currently running, over 2 hours less than 3% |
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| 00:59.24 | bytetracker | I have mirrors for ubu and mint i can dl 300Kbps but those don't have deb iso's :( |
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| 00:59.58 | abrotman | don't use the weekly build |
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| 01:00.29 | bytetracker | well im actually after the testing iso |
| 01:00.41 | bytetracker | sorry, should have been more specific |
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| 01:00.54 | grothendieck | chelz: check out keylength.com, there is some useful info there abuot possible keylengths for various crypto algorithms |
| 01:01.02 | somiaj | bytetracker: the testing iso is for testing the new installer features, unless you really want to do that, use the stable iso to install testing. |
| 01:02.02 | grothendieck | possible keylengths depends on the cipher being used, /proc/crypto tells you what ciphers your kernel supports and max/min keylength (if you want to use a bigger/smaller keylength then you need to add more kernel modules) |
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| 01:02.33 | chelz | grothendieck: right, max and min, but what about inbetween? |
| 01:02.57 | chelz | grothendieck: say max 32 and min 16, how do i know if 24 works? |
| 01:03.06 | bhundven | having issues with latest xserver-xorg-video-nouveau. Laptop has a GT218 [NVS 3100M]. cursor seems fine, but some fonts get shifted and garbled. |
| 01:03.09 | grothendieck | to find possible keylengths for a given cipher, you should defer to the documentation on that cipher -- /proc/crypto is just telling you min/max of what kernel can support, the possible keysizes between min/max for a given cipher are documented |
| 01:03.21 | bytetracker | somiaj: how do you pull that off? |
| 01:03.34 | grothendieck | chelz: if you have min/max = 16/32 and wnant to know if 24 works, then read about the cipher and see if it supports that keylength |
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| 01:03.39 | grothendieck | does that make sense? |
| 01:03.47 | somiaj | bytetracker: use the netinstall from stable to install the stable base/minimial system. Change your sources to wheezy, upgrade to wheezy (just the base system) continue on with the install |
| 01:04.07 | grothendieck | you should really use the biggest keysize available anyway |
| 01:04.07 | bytetracker | oy |
| 01:04.10 | chelz | grothendieck: sure. but i would think documentation like that would be included with the kernel somewhere |
| 01:04.11 | somiaj | bytetracker: though if you don't know debian, stable + backports is the suggested thing to use, testing is not a release and has various bugs you have to fix from time to time |
| 01:04.12 | bytetracker | somiaj: ty |
| 01:04.29 | bytetracker | im comfortable with debian |
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| 01:04.47 | somiaj | bytetracker: for example my sid desktop is now unbootable due to an upgrade....so I have to fix it. I don't mind fixing it, but it is not a suggested thing to do. Stable + Backports will most likely suit your needs |
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| 01:05.09 | bytetracker | no expert by any means, but its the only os ive been using for 7 years, and only linux for 12, prior to that it was rh and deb |
| 01:05.15 | born2troll | guys why the fuck is everytime i start my pc my keyboard blocked |
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| 01:05.24 | chelz | grothendieck: since i'm not exactly using just a cipher, i'm using specifically the kernel's implementation of that cipher. i don't know if some non-kernel doc is accurate to the kernel's implementation |
| 01:05.32 | born2troll | every time i wanna type something it just beeps and dont let me |
| 01:05.35 | somiaj | bytetracker: well peole who don't know how to upgrade from a stable install to install testing show signs of being new. (: Either way, have fun. |
| 01:05.40 | born2troll | i cant take thouse bugs anymore |
| 01:05.44 | born2troll | im just out of energy |
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| 01:05.48 | abrotman | born2troll: try another distro, please |
| 01:06.37 | bytetracker | ive upgraded from 1 version to another 1 time, it blew up. Ive always installed new after a databackup from cd/dvd iso. |
| 01:07.01 | grothendieck | chelz: oh, I see. hmm...one moment |
| 01:07.06 | bytetracker | somiaj: like I said im not an expert, but I am comfortable using debian. |
| 01:07.13 | somiaj | bytetracker: well get use to how apt upgrades work since you will be doing them regurally on testing. |
| 01:07.23 | born2troll | i |
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| 01:07.46 | somiaj | bytetracker: some tips about testing. 1) learn to use the bts, 2) have paitience (mostly due to the fact that security/bug fixes can take weeks to make it into testing due to they have to filter though sid first) |
| 01:08.21 | born2troll | not even a simple "/ignore add abrotman" works |
| 01:08.51 | bytetracker | Im starting to, I have "The Debian System, Concepts and Techniques" No Starch Press read front to back 2-3 times, and a daily desk reference aside from inet |
| 01:09.21 | bytetracker | theres a lot of apt ive never even touched so im playing with new pieces 1 at a time till im comfortable. |
| 01:09.24 | born2troll | hello anyone can tell my why my keyboard is makeing that sound every time i hit a button and not actually writeing? |
| 01:09.47 | grothendieck | chelz: I think that the kernel implementations of a given crypto algorithm would have to support all possible keysizes for that algorithm between min/max, otherwise how could it really be called an implementation of that algorithm? |
| 01:09.51 | born2troll | hello anyone can tell my why my keyboard is makeing that sound every time i hit a button and not actually writeing? |
| 01:09.57 | bytetracker | born2troll: sounds like a stuck key, full buffer, or i/o error issue. |
| 01:10.14 | born2troll | bytetracker, i dont know what it is |
| 01:10.47 | chelz | grothendieck: that could be. but i suppose if it's not documented anywhere then the only way to find out is to test, and that's kind of involved. |
| 01:10.48 | born2troll | bytetracker, i have to go back behind my pc, unplug the keyboard and plug it again to be able to write... god i have to go so often behind this pc cause of such things |
| 01:11.08 | bytetracker | usb? |
| 01:11.13 | born2troll | yes |
| 01:11.22 | chelz | get a usb extension cable |
| 01:11.28 | chelz | born2troll |
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| 01:11.34 | born2troll | no |
| 01:11.46 | born2troll | i want 1 ***** problem once solved in my life |
| 01:11.50 | bytetracker | no usb plug in front of your box, or on your monitor? |
| 01:11.56 | born2troll | im not gonna get an usb extenton |
| 01:12.17 | bytetracker | you could get an extension cable or a usb hub. |
| 01:12.19 | born2troll | no i want it *** solved im tired of thing that dont work |
| 01:12.38 | born2troll | hello anyone can tell my why my keyboard is makeing that sound every time i hit a button and not actually writeing? |
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| 01:12.47 | bhundven | eh |
| 01:12.49 | bytetracker | or you could get a wireless keyboard, you could reset by bumping the reciever reset |
| 01:13.03 | bhundven | tie keyboard cable around neck, jump out window |
| 01:13.07 | EdePopede | 1 reason why i still use ps2 for mouse+kbd |
| 01:13.11 | bhundven | fixed for life |
| 01:13.14 | born2troll | bytetracker, could you plz tell me how to ignore a certain person here? |
| 01:13.31 | gworao | i have a 160G sata drive. cannot mount it via the devices gui. why? |
| 01:13.33 | bytetracker | type forwardslash ignore then their nick |
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| 01:13.42 | born2troll | what is wrong with your people |
| 01:13.47 | chelz | like this: |
| 01:13.49 | somiaj | gworao: does it have any partitions on it with a filesystem you can read on your system? |
| 01:13.51 | born2troll | anyone here actually trying to help? |
| 01:13.52 | chelz | /ignore born2troll |
| 01:13.58 | bhundven | bytetracker: thanks ;) |
| 01:14.01 | bytetracker | hehe chelz |
| 01:14.07 | somiaj | gworao: you don't mount drives, you mount filesystems written to them (usally on partitions) |
| 01:14.17 | born2troll | hello anyone can tell my why my keyboard is makeing that sound every time i hit a button and not actually writeing? |
| 01:14.27 | bytetracker | bhundven: i like your solution best |
| 01:14.28 | Bronze | hi, if I remove the update-alternatives package, will that break things or just return things back to their original state? |
| 01:14.28 | gworao | somiaj: oh yes, i can mount it via the cli. |
| 01:14.44 | bytetracker | somiaj: ty your pointers and advice |
| 01:14.47 | bhundven | bytetracker: :D |
| 01:14.59 | bytetracker | its permanent |
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| 01:15.10 | EdePopede | born2troll: tried another system? live linux cd or similar |
| 01:15.30 | bhundven | thanks abrotman |
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| 01:16.54 | innociv | I'm having trouble accessing my web server. What sort of tests should I run? "curl -v -H 'Host: domain.com' ip" is giving me 301 Moved Permanently. |
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| 01:17.14 | bhundven | innociv: apache2? |
| 01:17.15 | somiaj | gworao: well then maybe you need to add yourself to a paticular group to mount things via the gui, I don't use it, but by default normal users don't have mount privlages |
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| 01:17.29 | innociv | lighttpd |
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| 01:18.16 | gworao | somiaj: right, that could be it. thks. |
| 01:18.38 | bhundven | innociv: check your access.log and error.log? |
| 01:18.49 | nevyn | gworao: plugdev |
| 01:18.59 | innociv | well it's behind cloudflare. |
| 01:19.06 | innociv | and when i access the ip directly it's super slow |
| 01:19.07 | bhundven | shrugs |
| 01:19.28 | gworao | nevyn: what about that? |
| 01:19.51 | nevyn | gworao: the group you need to be a member of. |
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| 01:20.03 | nevyn | is plugdev |
| 01:20.10 | gworao | nevyn: oh, thks. |
| 01:20.57 | nevyn | and you need to logoff and logon again after adding yourself to the group |
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| 01:21.24 | nevyn | if it's a workstation you probably also want to be in netdev, audio and video |
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| 01:23.35 | EdePopede | xmms2 is deprecated? Oo |
| 01:23.53 | abrotman | it is? |
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| 01:24.19 | orflon | hey, is there a specific room for iceweasel questions or I can ask here? |
| 01:24.23 | EdePopede | This program is deprecated and will be replaced by nyxmms2. <-- what it says when i try to(!) start it |
| 01:24.49 | abrotman | orflon: are you using Debian ? |
| 01:25.00 | orflon | abrotman, yes. |
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| 01:25.07 | abrotman | sure, go ahead and try |
| 01:25.12 | abrotman | uhm, ask here |
| 01:25.16 | tc_me | i use debian live |
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| 01:25.48 | maki15 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.12 | tc_me | ? |
| 01:26.39 | tc_me | debian live = iceweasel+gnash = awesome |
| 01:26.59 | jteguest | gnash = flash :) |
| 01:27.05 | tc_me | i know |
| 01:27.10 | abrotman | not quite |
| 01:27.13 | abrotman | orflon: ? |
| 01:27.14 | tc_me | they have done a good job |
| 01:27.23 | passstab | gnash and awesome are rarely in the same sentence |
| 01:27.24 | jteguest | well tru don't be so picky |
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| 01:27.41 | orflon | I get a reproducable crash with the following error from command line: http://paste.debian.net/161829/. You can check it if you try to watch a video here: http://www.efrontlearning.net/tutorials . |
| 01:27.49 | tc_me | gnash uses more cpu power, but i don't care |
| 01:28.02 | passstab | to be far the same is true for flash and awesome |
| 01:28.16 | passstab | it also is useless |
| 01:28.24 | abrotman | orflon: are you using squeeze? |
| 01:28.25 | passstab | ;) |
| 01:28.39 | tc_me | squeeze = debian 6.0.3? |
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| 01:28.45 | abrotman | i'm not asking you |
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| 01:28.49 | tc_me | oh |
| 01:28.51 | orflon | abrotman, yes. And the troubleshooting info are these: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/575307/ |
| 01:28.56 | abrotman | tc_me: see /topic |
| 01:29.08 | abrotman | orflon: hold on .. 'dpkg -l iceweasel' .. which version ? |
| 01:29.28 | orflon | 8.0-3~bpo60+1 |
| 01:29.39 | taulus | $ grep -B2 'Module class: X.Org Video Driver' /var/log/Xorg.0.log This gives me no feedback in terminal, does this mean there are no active drivers? |
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| 01:29.46 | abrotman | orflon: uhm .. why such an odd version? when is the last time you updated your system? |
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| 01:29.51 | abrotman | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 01:29.52 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-11; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-13; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-13; wheezy: 10.0.3esr-2; sid: 10.0.3esr-3; experimental: 11.0-4 |
| 01:29.58 | orflon | abrotman, just now. |
| 01:30.07 | abrotman | orflon: eh .. no .. |
| 01:30.19 | abrotman | orflon: mozilla.debian.net .. should have 10 or 11 |
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| 01:30.48 | orflon | abrotman, I have that entry in my sources.list |
| 01:31.09 | abrotman | orflon: `aptitude update; aptitude install iceweasel' .. what does it say ? |
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| 01:32.53 | orflon | abrotman, it's upgrading. I don't understand, I did "apt-get update" and apt-get upgrade. Shouldn't it have done that? |
| 01:33.05 | passstab | why is everyone at the fsf so bitter? |
| 01:33.15 | abrotman | orflon: full-upgrade ? |
| 01:33.23 | abrotman | passstab: i'm not sure how that's related to anything going on here |
| 01:34.03 | passstab | sorry i forgot this is a on topic channel |
| 01:34.10 | passstab | :P |
| 01:34.31 | orflon | abrotman, I am a bit confused on what apt-get upgrade eventually does. Shouldn't it install the latest versions of all installed packages? |
| 01:34.42 | abrotman | orflon: was it telling you that packages were held back ? |
| 01:34.48 | abrotman | passstab: feel free to use #debian-offtopic |
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| 01:34.56 | orflon | abrotman, some, yes |
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| 01:35.19 | dvs | orflon: "upgrade" was not enough. "dist-upgrade" or "full-upgrade" was |
| 01:35.19 | abrotman | orflon: read the docs for apt-get/aptitude .. it should explain the difference |
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| 01:35.36 | abrotman | orflon: hint, dist-upgrade is not just for upgrading between versions of Debian |
| 01:35.39 | somiaj | orflon: man apt-get, but upgrade will only upgrade packages which do not require either install or removing packages that are not already installed. |
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| 01:37.05 | somiaj | though speaking of the m.d.n sources, they by default need to pin themselves lower than main like the squeeze-backport repos, otherwise you pull in newer versions of packages you may not want in an upgrade. |
| 01:37.53 | orflon | thanks a lot for the hints. |
| 01:38.06 | orflon | abrotman, I have now iceweasel 11, but the crash remains. |
| 01:38.23 | abrotman | orflon: try safe mode if you can |
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| 01:40.20 | orflon | abrotman, same. |
| 01:41.02 | abrotman | what was the URl again ? |
| 01:41.03 | somiaj | taulus: foo is a place keeper for the name of the package you want to install |
| 01:41.12 | somiaj | taulus: first apt-cache search linux-image-3.2 |
| 01:41.31 | orflon | abrotman, http://www.efrontlearning.net/tutorials |
| 01:41.34 | dvs | taulus: We'd call it "fu" but people would be in an uproar |
| 01:41.39 | somiaj | taulus: so you will want to install the linux-image-3.2-whatever, linux-headers-3.2-whatever (And most likely any firmware packages, dpkg -l | grep firmware) |
| 01:42.00 | abrotman | orflon: am i supposed to do anything? the page loaded |
| 01:42.20 | orflon | abrotman, just choose a video , e.g. "how to create a lesson" |
| 01:42.25 | abrotman | orflon: are you i386? amd64? |
| 01:42.29 | orflon | i386 |
| 01:42.32 | somiaj | taulus: after you reboot into the new kernel you can install the nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-dkms from backports, then you will probabaly want to install xserver-xorg and from there as well |
| 01:42.40 | abrotman | orflon: works fine here .. loaded perfectly |
| 01:42.51 | abrotman | orflon: which flash are you using? adobe? gnash? swfdec? |
| 01:42.53 | somiaj | taulus: and last in the future don't /msg me directally. Ask your question in #debian (you can hilight my name if you want) -- it is considered rude to msg people |
| 01:42.54 | orflon | abrotman, could that be due to nvidia drivers? |
| 01:43.15 | abrotman | can't say, doesn't use nvidia anything |
| 01:43.42 | peterrooney | uses nvidia for target practice |
| 01:43.59 | orflon | abrotman, I'm using shockwave flash |
| 01:44.26 | abrotman | orflon: which version? use "about:plugins" in your browser to see |
| 01:44.37 | orflon | 11.1 r102 |
| 01:45.40 | abrotman | seems a bit out of date |
| 01:46.18 | abrotman | orflon: do yo uhave the command "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" ? |
| 01:46.42 | taulus | Thank you somiaj for your patience with a beginner such as me. |
| 01:47.19 | chelz | orflon: after an update you probably should restart, for iceweasel. |
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| 01:47.37 | orflon | abrotman, just ran it, same version. |
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| 01:47.40 | somiaj | it is, if it is amd64 I thought they stoped releasing new versions |
| 01:47.52 | somiaj | that I think will be the last adobe version released for amd64 |
| 01:47.55 | orflon | chelz, update of iceweasel? restarting iceweasel? |
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| 01:48.07 | abrotman | orflon: you'd have to stop/start iceweasel |
| 01:48.13 | orflon | I did. |
| 01:48.17 | abrotman | completely |
| 01:48.25 | chelz | if your libs got updated a system restart maybe |
| 01:48.30 | orflon | what do you mean? I closed it and opened it again. |
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| 01:48.54 | orflon | ok let me restart the system. Brb. |
| 01:49.00 | abrotman | orflon: are all of your other packages up to date? did you run the apt-get dist-upgrade yet? |
| 01:49.04 | somiaj | it won't do any good |
| 01:49.07 | somiaj | orflon: you are on amd64 right? |
| 01:49.11 | abrotman | i386 |
| 01:49.12 | orflon | no i386 |
| 01:49.22 | orflon | I didn't run dist-upgrade no |
| 01:49.26 | orflon | let me do that. |
| 01:49.38 | somiaj | hmm, well 11.1 r102 seems to be the newest version I get on sid.... |
| 01:49.55 | bytetracker | somiaj :) |
| 01:50.07 | somiaj | actually according to adobe it should be 11.2.202.228 |
| 01:50.19 | somiaj | wonder if the scripts aren't working for the newest version anymore |
| 01:50.35 | abrotman | somiaj: i've been wondering that |
| 01:51.03 | somiaj | yea I just rerun update-flashplugin-nonfree --install and it grabed th file http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/pdc/11.1.102.63/install_flash_player_11_linux.x86_64.tar.gz |
| 01:52.02 | orflon | should I restart after dist-upgrade? |
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| 01:52.37 | abrotman | orflon: depends what got upgraded |
| 01:52.51 | somiaj | orflon: depends on what was upgraded. If a kernel was then yes, in other cases just restarting the programs (like all of X) can be enough |
| 01:53.42 | orflon | no, I don't think it's something so crucial, but i'll do it just to be sure. Br |
| 01:53.45 | orflon | Brb* |
| 01:55.00 | somiaj | hmm, can't seem to find anything in the bts about flashplugin-nonfree not installing the latest flashplayer, though so many bugs hard to parse them all |
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| 01:56.42 | cantido | flash 11 is going to be the last version for linux IIRC |
| 01:57.14 | abrotman | not for linux so much as not for anything except chrome on linux |
| 01:57.30 | orflon | same versions, same crash :/ |
| 01:57.33 | somiaj | cantido: correct. though I think they say they are going to give security support for it for up to 5 years (by then hopefully this google only fad goes away) |
| 01:57.41 | cantido | I thought they were going to bundle 11 with chrome.. but there won't be anything newer |
| 01:58.10 | somiaj | no they are just only going to make the newer version plugins available to the chrome only api and ship it bundeled with google-chrome. |
| 01:58.16 | orflon | what do you people use? I'm confused with all those flash-related choices. |
| 01:58.26 | cantido | somiaj: or HTML5 authoring tools have caught up enough that flash isn't needed anymore :) |
| 01:58.30 | cantido | somiaj: oh, that sucks |
| 01:58.33 | somiaj | orflon: I use flashplugin-nonfree myself |
| 01:58.48 | abrotman | orflon: can you try to create a new user and see if it works with that new user ? |
| 01:58.57 | orflon | abrotman, ok. |
| 01:59.45 | cantido | thinks chrome is pretty good though.. |
| 02:00.01 | somiaj | cantido: yea I know, because I really like chromium despite how bad I think googles large amount of money twoards the linux-dekstop world is taking it in the wrong direction (trying to make linux more mac/windows like with automatic stuff everywhere for the unifomred user) |
| 02:00.31 | cantido | somiaj: you mean stuff like chrome upgrading itself? |
| 02:00.33 | somiaj | cantido: I've been playing with vimprobable2 on top of webkit lately, its nice for most things...only thing I really miss is tabs (since I haven't configured my WM correctly) |
| 02:01.11 | somiaj | cantido: no I mean all of the dependency on dbus, consolekit, achi, and so forth (I don't use google-earth anymore cause of its rediculus depends) |
| 02:01.21 | cantido | I mainly use chrome because konq cant render a ton of pages correctly, firefox is slow as hell and chrome just works :) |
| 02:01.27 | somiaj | cantido: and the money in pushing the linux desktop applications to requiring these things. |
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| 02:02.02 | cantido | somiaj: I run kde, so I have all those things already.. never really even noticed them |
| 02:03.22 | cantido | background disk indexing etc does annoy me though |
| 02:03.35 | somiaj | cantido: I run fvwm and prefer a very minimilistic fast system (my desktop hasn't changed much in 10 years) |
| 02:03.47 | orflon | abrotman, it says: the video can't be played with your current setup. Switch to a browser that provides native H.264 support or install Adobe Flash. |
| 02:04.05 | abrotman | orflon: for the new user ? |
| 02:04.09 | orflon | abrotman, yes. |
| 02:04.10 | somiaj | cantido: I don't mind kde/gnome having all these advanced features, but its getting to the point that it is harder to opt out of them. |
| 02:04.13 | abrotman | orflon: you didn't install flash system-wide ? |
| 02:04.17 | cantido | somiaj: yeah I can see your point |
| 02:04.34 | orflon | abrotman, I think I've done. |
| 02:04.41 | cantido | wishes kde would stop working on crap and fix stuff like the task bar :/ |
| 02:04.51 | abrotman | PIGGY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:04.51 | somiaj | cantido: i.e. when the features start pushing the development of the core of xorg/linux kernel and the likes. |
| 02:05.01 | abrotman | wonders if sussudio will time out also |
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| 02:05.21 | cantido | somiaj: well, dbus etc are all under the same tree as xorg |
| 02:05.21 | abrotman | orflon: use the about:plugins to see |
| 02:05.42 | cantido | somiaj: I can't see much "desktop" stuff moving into the kernel except maybe DRM |
| 02:05.50 | orflon | abrotman, shockwave flash is there, version: 11.1 r102 |
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| 02:07.07 | abrotman | orflon: what an awful website .. ugh |
| 02:07.14 | orflon | lol |
| 02:07.23 | abrotman | orflon: are all of the plugins the same? |
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| 02:07.39 | orflon | well I have the same issue on ml-class.org. But it's not reproducable always. It sometimes happens. |
| 02:07.45 | gasull | My Thinkpad W520 has intermittent slow latency over wireless. Any ideas how to fix it? |
| 02:07.59 | cantido | gasull: anything in dmesg? |
| 02:08.15 | cantido | gasull: do other clients have the same issue? |
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| 02:08.56 | simonlnu | yup, sussudio timed out too |
| 02:09.02 | simonlnu | back! |
| 02:09.14 | gasull | cantido: there are a lot of messages like this: [21516.907634] iwlagn 0000:03:00.0: Aggregation not enabled for tid 0 because load = 1 |
| 02:09.25 | orflon | abrotman, in safe mode in the new user there are more plugins displayed. But shockwave is the same. |
| 02:09.27 | simonlnu | bot is anyway |
| 02:09.39 | simonlnu | oh. duh. missed that |
| 02:09.42 | gasull | cantido: other clients don't have the same issue |
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| 02:10.02 | gasull | cantido: it's a brand new laptop and I installed Debian right away |
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| 02:10.31 | cantido | gasull: just because it's new doesnt mean the drivers work 100% ;) |
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| 02:11.02 | gasull | cantido: yes, I think the problem is that the drivers aren't working properly. May e |
| 02:11.13 | gasull | Maybe I should order another laptop |
| 02:11.21 | gasull | a different model |
| 02:11.31 | cantido | gasull: a quick google brings up results with "connection slow under load" and the same message in dmesg |
| 02:11.55 | gasull | cantido: I'm not doing anything with my connection |
| 02:11.56 | abrotman | orflon: and you haven't mixed versions of Debian ? |
| 02:12.05 | gasull | cantido: it's pretty much idle |
| 02:12.22 | orflon | abrotman, in GRUB I see 2 kernels. |
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| 02:12.46 | cantido | gasull: are you running stable? |
| 02:13.00 | gasull | cantido. unstable |
| 02:13.02 | orflon | abrotman, that shouldn't affect anything, should it? |
| 02:13.13 | cantido | gasull: mmm so you already have a pretty recent kernel / |
| 02:13.30 | abrotman | orflon: no |
| 02:13.33 | gasull | cantido: I mean, testing |
| 02:13.56 | cantido | I think 3.2 is in testing, so still pretty recent |
| 02:14.49 | gasull | cantido: mmmm... I'm running some updates now. i'll reboot |
| 02:15.13 | abrotman | orflon: what's the error again ? |
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| 02:15.24 | orflon | abrotman, it says: the video can't be played with your current setup. Switch to a browser that provides native H.264 support or install Adobe Flash. |
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| 02:15.52 | cantido | gasull: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1747217 -- the workaround they're suggesting there is to disable N .. its from last year though |
| 02:16.08 | abrotman | orflon: i meant for your usre |
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| 02:17.12 | orflon | abrotman, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/575318/ |
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| 02:19.03 | abrotman | orflon: i can't say it's not nvidia .. but that seems like the easy way out |
| 02:19.22 | abrotman | orflon: be nice if we had someone else around here with squeeze on their desktop |
| 02:19.29 | abrotman | uhm .. i can get my netbook out |
| 02:20.46 | cafuego | InRelease? |
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| 02:20.54 | cafuego | fnord |
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| 02:21.21 | orflon | abrotman, well I have an issue with nvidia, look what troubleshooting says: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/575320/ |
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| 02:21.41 | abrotman | i don't even know what that means! |
| 02:21.42 | orflon | I tried to upgrade, but I can't get a newer one for my kernel. |
| 02:21.47 | abrotman | shakes a fish at nvidia |
| 02:21.50 | abrotman | uh .. fist |
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| 02:23.11 | gnarface | orflon: you can't? what kernel? |
| 02:23.29 | orflon | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 02:23.44 | cantido | orflon: the browser is blocking the driver for security reasons.. you can probably turn it off if you dont care about security |
| 02:24.09 | cafuego | orflon: You must have one hell of an old driver then |
| 02:24.28 | cantido | that card is nvidia-legacy isn't it? |
| 02:24.34 | cafuego | cantido: nope |
| 02:24.40 | orflon | cafuego, it seems that I have, but i've done what debian nvidia wiki says, and I got the same 195.x version. |
| 02:25.01 | cafuego | I have an 8600GT and that runs fine on the 270 driver |
| 02:25.13 | orflon | cafuego, kernel? |
| 02:25.27 | cafuego | 2.6.38 |
| 02:25.29 | cantido | though all PCI cards were -legacy now .. must have thought incorrectly |
| 02:25.30 | somiaj | cafuego: you can get a newer version from squeeze-backports (including xorg as well) if you desire |
| 02:25.40 | somiaj | orflon: ^^ |
| 02:25.41 | somiaj | cafuego: sorry. |
| 02:25.44 | cafuego | Ubuntu box, but versions should still apply |
| 02:25.56 | cafuego | somiaj: I do not desire :-) |
| 02:26.01 | orflon | I have squeeze-backports , and I did a dist-upgrade. Shouldn't that happen? |
| 02:26.11 | abrotman | no, you have to bve explicit |
| 02:26.19 | somiaj | orflon: no by default you shouldn't upgrade things you don't need a newer version |
| 02:26.30 | somiaj | orflon: apt-get -t squeeze-backports install foo |
| 02:26.55 | somiaj | orflon: you can also get a newer kernel from there too. |
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| 02:27.35 | orflon | what do you advise to do? Are those things stable? |
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| 02:29.21 | cafuego | orflon: All you need is the newer nvidia driver, that won't be any less stable than your current one. |
| 02:30.02 | orflon | alright so i'll install from backports just that. |
| 02:30.18 | cafuego | that's the idea |
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| 02:30.35 | cafuego | dpkg -l | grep nvidia -> grab those packages |
| 02:30.36 | dpkg | ii | grep nvidia -> grab those packages 2.4-12 cafuego's private porn collection |
| 02:30.44 | abrotman | eyes cafuego |
| 02:30.46 | cafuego | thank you so much dpkg |
| 02:31.01 | cantido | so thats why the mirrors are so big |
| 02:31.18 | cafuego | Pff, 3TB disks are cheap, get over it |
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| 02:32.07 | cafuego | gives abrotman a wary stare |
| 02:32.25 | EdePopede | if i want to change what aptitude shows in the upper window, what chapter of the user manual is this? |
| 02:33.02 | nsadmin | orflon, did you already show us our sources.list? if no, could you first "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl" and then "cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nopaste"? |
| 02:33.24 | EdePopede | %c%a%M%S %p %Z %v %V <<< this is what i want to modify |
| 02:33.25 | orflon | ok one sec. |
| 02:33.35 | cantido | Are there any settings for aptitude to make it make it faster on crappy machines .. like turning off nice features? |
| 02:33.37 | nsadmin | wazzat? |
| 02:33.58 | cantido | format for date? |
| 02:34.49 | cantido | ah, its a format for aptitude |
| 02:34.58 | abrotman | cantido: uh .. it's called "apt-get" :( |
| 02:35.05 | orflon | nsadmin, http://gist.github.com/2288893 |
| 02:35.15 | nsadmin | orflon, thanks |
| 02:35.35 | nsadmin | likes gist and dislikes pastebin.com |
| 02:35.50 | cantido | abrotman: I would like to be able to use an aptitude-like curses interface though.. scrolling around in aptitude takes about a week per line on my SH4 machine :( |
| 02:36.24 | somiaj | dselect might still be around |
| 02:36.36 | abrotman | cantido: do you really use the interface? |
| 02:36.48 | cantido | abrotman: yeah sometimes |
| 02:36.57 | orflon | cafuego, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/575323/ |
| 02:37.04 | nsadmin | dselect is plain horrible... |
| 02:37.15 | abrotman | cantido: no .. really? |
| 02:37.46 | nsadmin | it got a mild reprive when apt-get was added to dselect as an option |
| 02:37.54 | abrotman | didn't even know aptitude had a TUI interface until he'd been using it for a year or more |
| 02:37.55 | cantido | abrotman: I use it a lot when I'm trying to pick packages to fit into the space/memory on the machine |
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| 02:39.06 | cantido | its dog slow without the curses interface though, it seems to really churn on its internal database or whatever its using to track packages |
| 02:39.35 | nsadmin | orflon, ok thanks... just wanted to verify that your sources.list is good and complete... and it is |
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| 02:40.08 | orflon | ok, but why the drivers are not ugpraded? |
| 02:40.11 | orflon | upgraded* even |
| 02:40.30 | orflon | It's that I have that version of kernel? |
| 02:40.36 | cantido | orflon: not upgraded in stable or not upgraded on your machine? |
| 02:41.07 | cantido | orflon: I think backports are pinned so that nothing just automatically upgrades, you have to tell it that you want those packages from backports |
| 02:41.27 | orflon | cantido, I did. Check: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/575323/ |
| 02:41.40 | somiaj | nsadmin: I agree with you, I never did figure out how dselect worked. I kinda ment to when I started using debian in 2000, but never needed it. |
| 02:41.41 | nsadmin | maybe... I'm running squeeze and a backport (intended for squeeze) of linux-3.2.something |
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| 02:42.31 | nsadmin | somiaj, thank your lucky stars... it made me angry 2 out of three times using it |
| 02:42.54 | cantido | orflon: at this point I would use aptitudes curses frontend, navigate to the package and see which versions are available and select the one I want.. |
| 02:43.19 | somiaj | orflon: it is a repo wide restriction (called pinning). This way things don't get automatically brought in from squeeze-backports and only the packages you know you need newer versions can be upgraded (note many packages do not have newer versions in backports and as for the nvidia non-free they are fairly recentally added) |
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| 02:43.43 | somiaj | orflon: so it is just a good policy to require users to manually install backports. (so as much of the system can stay stable and secure as possible) |
| 02:44.23 | orflon | nice, but by executing the apt-get -t , shouldn't they be installed? |
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| 02:44.46 | somiaj | yes you can expiclity install them. |
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| 02:45.28 | orflon | but it says they are the newest versions. |
| 02:45.43 | somiaj | if you using nvidia and want newer, I would suggest a linux-image-3.2, nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-dkms, xserver-xorg |
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| 02:46.05 | orflon | hm |
| 02:46.10 | somiaj | orflon: what is the exact command you typed, and can you give apt-cache policy <pkgname> of the package it says is at the newest version |
| 02:46.30 | orflon | somiaj, that's what I executed: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/575323/ |
| 02:46.38 | gruntyboy | hello! embarrassing problem. playing with cpio and have overwritten critical files in /bin and /lib. what's the easiest way to recover, please? |
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| 02:47.06 | cantido | gruntyboy: install the package |
| 02:47.08 | somiaj | orflon: paste of 'apt-cache policy nvidia-glx' |
| 02:47.12 | cantido | s/install/reinstall |
| 02:47.26 | somiaj | orflon: and the nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-dkms should be the two package syou need to install. That will pull in all the others. |
| 02:47.32 | gruntyboy | cantido, thanks, which package though? there are loads of binaries. |
| 02:47.37 | orflon | somiaj, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/575327/ |
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| 02:47.56 | cantido | gruntyboy: I'm not sure of a way to check except debsums |
| 02:47.59 | somiaj | orflon: you do not have the squeeze-backport sources enabled |
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| 02:48.12 | somiaj | orflon: so if you have modified your /etc/apt/sources.list you need to run apt-get update |
| 02:48.39 | somiaj | gruntyboy: I would install libc6, dpkg, (there is a few other core ones) |
| 02:48.41 | gruntyboy | cantido, thanks :-) |
| 02:48.59 | somiaj | guardian: reinstall, then yea either use debsums, or just reinstall everything after you get the core stuff needed for package managemenet. |
| 02:49.00 | cantido | some packages dont have sums though from what I remember |
| 02:49.01 | orflon | somiaj, that's my entry in sources.list: deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main |
| 02:49.02 | gruntyboy | somiaj, aha.. that sounds good :-) |
| 02:49.28 | somiaj | orflon: oh you need to add the contrib and non-free to that |
| 02:49.38 | somiaj | orflon: if you want contrb and non-free packages |
| 02:49.52 | somiaj | guardian: sorry, tab completion error. |
| 02:49.53 | demoniccow | dosnt dpkg come with debian? |
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| 02:49.57 | somiaj | gruntyboy: you are welcome. |
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| 02:50.24 | cantido | demoniccow: you would hope so |
| 02:50.26 | somiaj | demoniccow: he overwrote some files and wants to reinstall, so if he is going to reinstall everything reinstalling dpkg, and other core things first is helpful |
| 02:50.34 | demoniccow | oh |
| 02:50.39 | gruntyboy | somiaj, any idea which deb would mainly contain the /bin binaries ? |
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| 02:51.00 | somiaj | gruntyboy: no way to search them |
| 02:51.06 | cantido | gruntyboy: are the files still there? |
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| 02:51.28 | somiaj | gruntyboy: but the libs wont, as for non libary packages many do. |
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| 02:51.44 | somiaj | gruntyboy: oh just for /bin -- you could use apt-file |
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| 02:52.38 | gruntyboy | cantido, no, nothing left.. just symlinks.. long story.. i cpio'd a firmware image (containing mips binaries) -- forgot to specify extract under current directory -- instead it extracted the files from / downwards (!) -- and they overwrote the amd64 binaries! |
| 02:52.49 | cantido | gruntyboy: you can search for the filenames though |
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| 02:53.15 | cantido | gruntyboy: you can use file to find out which binaries got nuked too |
| 02:53.19 | somiaj | gruntyboy: run dpkg -S /bin/ |
| 02:53.20 | gruntyboy | thank you somiaj and cantido .. i will look closely |
| 02:53.25 | cantido | gruntyboy: it should tell you want arch the binary is for :) |
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| 02:54.30 | gruntyboy | what is that telling me, somiaj ? |
| 02:54.46 | somiaj | gruntyboy: every package that contains the file: /bin in it |
| 02:54.56 | cantido | wonders if gruntyboy could boot his / with qemu-system-mips ... |
| 02:55.03 | somiaj | gruntyboy: which only packages that also contain something in /bin/foo will have a /bin there |
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| 02:55.05 | gruntyboy | hehe cantido ! |
| 02:55.17 | gruntyboy | aha.. thanks somiaj :-) |
| 02:55.20 | somiaj | gruntyboy: so the list of packages to reinstall if all you need to do is reppulate /bin |
| 02:55.24 | gruntyboy | s |
| 02:55.34 | cantido | dpkg still works though? thats pretty luck |
| 02:55.34 | dpkg | cantido: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 02:55.41 | cantido | s/luck/lucky |
| 02:56.32 | darkelfjuggalo | I just restarted my computer... I'm trying to go into my skype, but skype says i have a running session...but i cannot access the running session...is there a way to veiw all running programs in the terminal? |
| 02:56.42 | somiaj | cantido: dpkg is at /usr/bin/dpkg (: |
| 02:57.05 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: 'ps fax' is what I use |
| 02:57.17 | somiaj | the fax is a list of options, there are various other combination of options people like |
| 02:57.51 | somiaj | darkelfjuggalo: top (and other optional variotions of that) is also useful. |
| 02:58.16 | cantido | mmm if he restarted it sounds like skype has a file somewhere that needs to be deleted.. |
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| 02:59.11 | darkelfjuggalo | i did ps fax can i use this to either bring a running program to the front, or close it? |
| 02:59.20 | somiaj | oh yea, that is more likely it, listen to cantido darkelfjuggalo |
| 02:59.46 | cantido | wonders where skype keeps its stuff.. |
| 03:00.16 | gworao | I hv a 16GB Sandisk thumbdrive. It takes me 2 - 3 hrs to back-up about 16GB. Is that normal? |
| 03:00.30 | cantido | there is $HOME/.Skype .. I wonder if theres something in there. run strace skype and see what files its checking maybe? |
| 03:00.46 | gnarface | gworao: yea man shit's slower than wireless |
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| 03:01.11 | gnarface | gworao: that's why its so cheap |
| 03:01.39 | darkelfjuggalo | strace command not found |
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| 03:01.50 | cantido | darkelfjuggalo: you need to install it.. |
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| 03:02.05 | orflon | somiaj, ok it upgraded, thanks man, i hope it's working after reboot. |
| 03:02.08 | darkelfjuggalo | aptitude install strace? |
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| 03:02.35 | cantido | darkelfjuggalo: yeah, but if you can't use apt you might not be able to workout the output from strace.. |
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| 03:02.50 | gruntyboy | no it's not normal gworao .. even with usb2.0, the transfer rate is roughly 80Mb/s or ~10MByte/s |
| 03:03.09 | cantido | gruntyboy: cheapy flash doesnt write at 10MB/s |
| 03:03.17 | gworao | gnarface: so it is normal? i also back up to a hdisk and it is much faster. thumbdrive is purely electronics while hdisk is electro-mechanical. how could thumbdrive be slower? is it because of the write process? |
| 03:03.34 | cantido | gworao: flash memory is slow as hell |
| 03:03.39 | gnarface | gworao: it is because its flash |
| 03:03.50 | gworao | so it should be done in a flash. |
| 03:04.18 | cantido | gworao: flash just means that its can be progged in blocks at the system voltage |
| 03:04.20 | gnarface | gworao: yea its ironic |
| 03:04.29 | epsilon | gworao: sure you are using USB2.0 and not 1.0? |
| 03:04.29 | gruntyboy | fairly run-of-the-mill USB flash stick. |
| 03:04.37 | gruntyboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.38 | cantido | opposed to older eeprom tech that needed 12v etc supplies for writing |
| 03:04.46 | cantido | gruntyboy: reads are fast |
| 03:04.50 | gworao | epsilon: how to tell? |
| 03:04.53 | cantido | gruntyboy: writes are crazy slow |
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| 03:05.02 | gnarface | epsilon: the bus speed won't matter, its a hardware limitation of the flash itself |
| 03:05.16 | gworao | Its a Sandisk Cruze Blade |
| 03:05.23 | gruntyboy | sorry, i wasn't really reading properly |
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| 03:05.52 | cantido | has written embedded flash drivers.. :p |
| 03:06.29 | gworao | i think it is the writing that loses out to hdisk. |
| 03:06.43 | gworao | the write speed. |
| 03:06.55 | cantido | gworao: the flash memory in SSD drives is totally different to what is in a cheap pen drive ;) |
| 03:07.29 | epsilon | even with limitation, <2MB/sec sounds very slow |
| 03:07.38 | gworao | ssd drives comparable in speed to a hdisk of similar capacity? |
| 03:07.50 | karlpinc | cantido: I'm not clear about that. Might be the same stuff, more parallized. (Depending on the hardware.) |
| 03:07.56 | epsilon | never seen such slow flash for years |
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| 03:08.51 | cantido | karlpinc: the drive interface probably has a lot to do with it.. a pendrive is going to be a single flash device and the controller will be just workable enough to write pages |
| 03:09.03 | gworao | is the Sandisk Cruze Blade a run-of-the-mill type? |
| 03:09.15 | gworao | Cruzer Blade |
| 03:09.27 | cantido | epsilon: have you ever written big files? i.e. bigger than what the kernel can stash in RAM? |
| 03:09.54 | gnarface | gworao: i think so |
| 03:10.07 | gruntyboy | how can i find out what package contains /etc/nsswitch.conf (name resolution configuration) |
| 03:10.10 | gworao | ok, I concede. |
| 03:10.34 | darkelfjuggalo | i ran strace skype and restarted skype as if this is the first run with the end-user agreed ment and pullingup my entire history |
| 03:10.42 | gnarface | i would expect to get 2-6 Mb/s out of most usb flash sticks, maybe 10-11 out of the best stuff |
| 03:10.48 | darkelfjuggalo | the output is still running |
| 03:11.03 | karlpinc | !tell gruntyboy about apt-file |
| 03:11.07 | gnarface | sustained writes and reads are NOT the same as an htparm benchmark |
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| 03:12.13 | gruntyboy | thanks karlpinc |
| 03:13.04 | somiaj | gruntyboy: you can also use that dpkg -S file option to search though installed packages |
| 03:13.29 | somiaj | gruntyboy: and packages.debian.org is another option if you don't want to install apt-file and just use a web browser |
| 03:13.31 | gruntyboy | cheers somiaj .. just so many packages to find :-( |
| 03:13.57 | cantido | darkelfjuggalo: sounds like you ran skype as root/a different user.. or you skype data was corrupted |
| 03:14.15 | cantido | gruntyboy: reinstall everything ;) |
| 03:14.55 | gruntyboy | preferably not! |
| 03:15.03 | cantido | I mean all the packages.. |
| 03:15.14 | cantido | it shouldnt take that long even with a lot of stuff installed |
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| 03:16.07 | gworao | which tablet in the market can Debian runs on? |
| 03:16.46 | cantido | gworao: if you only want a shell you can run debian on top of pretty much any android device that can be rooted |
| 03:16.46 | gruntyboy | nearly there.. load of chaff in silly places and some weird device nodes, but otherwise seems okay now |
| 03:16.56 | gruntyboy | thanks guys (and guyettes) for your help! |
| 03:17.30 | gworao | can it run on Acer tablet? |
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| 03:17.58 | gruntyboy | what flash driver work have you done cantido ? that's what i'm doing! |
| 03:18.03 | cantido | depends what you mean by "run".. I'm pretty sure all the drivers are going to be closed blobs |
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| 03:18.11 | gruntyboy | (when i'm not buggering up debian) |
| 03:18.50 | gworao | cantido: with OS and full apps. |
| 03:19.14 | darkelfjuggalo | oop superuser |
| 03:19.22 | cantido | gruntyboy: I wrote one for my own stuff.. I'm building an m68k machine and I'm too cheap to get a progger.. so I wrote one that runs on another ARM board.. I got a whole tray of intel 2mbit flash for 1yen heh |
| 03:20.03 | TheCoffeMaker | I have Debian running on a motorola XT860 (aka droid 3 or milestone 3) |
| 03:20.29 | TheCoffeMaker | with thighvncserver and lxde you can get a working X through VNC |
| 03:20.40 | gruntyboy | cantido, sounds interesting :-) |
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| 03:21.55 | gworao | TheCoffeMaker: u hv Debian running on a smartphone? how do u load it in? |
| 03:22.23 | cantido | gruntyboy: are you writing a flash driver for linux? I thought that was pretty much covered for almost all the parts you can get |
| 03:22.32 | TheCoffeMaker | gworao, using debootstrap ... the process is pretty easy |
| 03:23.15 | gruntyboy | cantido, it's a NAND driver for a Trimedia board.. VLIW.. .. RISC with instruction level parallelism.. |
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| 03:23.31 | gruntyboy | nothing very exciting and it's moving veeeeeeeeeeery slowly! |
| 03:23.40 | gworao | TheCoffeMaker: which Window Manager? |
| 03:24.02 | darkelfjuggalo | ok is there a reason why strace is STILL outputting |
| 03:24.16 | TheCoffeMaker | gworao, lxde |
| 03:25.09 | Cscope | that sounds pretty cool |
| 03:25.36 | cantido | gruntyboy: porting debian too |
| 03:25.38 | TheCoffeMaker | gworao, there is a lot of information on google ... the key concept using debootstrap to build a first stage environment with the -foreing parameter ... later, with your sd on your phone you have to chroot inside the deboostrapped directory and run the second stage process |
| 03:25.40 | cantido | gruntyboy: ? |
| 03:26.18 | gruntyboy | hello! no it's unfortunately BSD :-( |
| 03:26.39 | gworao | TheCoffeMaker: thks, will look it up. at the moment, more keen on debian-on-tablet. |
| 03:27.02 | cantido | gruntyboy: damn, debian needs more ports with only 1 or 2 working machines in the world :) |
| 03:27.36 | gruntyboy | linux is sort of on the trimedia, but philips who still own the core IP, sfaik, won't help at all. |
| 03:27.40 | TheCoffeMaker | gworao, I'm sure that you can get it working ... the only requirement is to have a rooted OS and, this will help a lot, a good processor |
| 03:28.09 | cantido | TheCoffeMaker: can you run X11? |
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| 03:28.27 | TheCoffeMaker | cantido, yes ... through vnc |
| 03:28.56 | cantido | TheCoffeMaker: mmm I would have thought the fbdev driver could be used |
| 03:29.25 | gworao | Ok, guys, thks for the info. gotta go. bye. |
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| 03:31.30 | TheCoffeMaker | cantido, I don't know .... we should try |
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| 03:31.47 | cantido | TheCoffeMaker: I dont have a phone that is rootable anymore :/ |
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| 03:32.05 | TheCoffeMaker | cantido, what do you have ? |
| 03:32.50 | TheCoffeMaker | cantido, actually it's better to ask if you have an android :P |
| 03:33.13 | cantido | TheCoffeMaker: I do android stuff for a living ;) |
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| 03:33.29 | cantido | TheCoffeMaker: I have an IS06 .. which is a generic snapdragon phone |
| 03:33.47 | cantido | not sure what I would do with debian running on it though |
| 03:34.56 | TheCoffeMaker | cantido, untill you find something to do and realize that you should have debian on your phone |
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| 03:35.18 | TheCoffeMaker | LOL |
| 03:35.53 | cantido | typing in massive command lines on a tiny touch screen isnt my idea of fun ;) |
| 03:36.59 | TheCoffeMaker | cantido, yeah ... I know that .... that's because a got a xt860 |
| 03:37.06 | darkelfjuggalo | Can I terminate a a program in terminal |
| 03:37.09 | nathwill | cantido, lol :) we do daily bugzilla triage, and a coworker uses his phone every day |
| 03:37.29 | karlpinc | darkelfjuggalo: Usually that's what holding down ctrl and pressing c does. |
| 03:37.58 | darkelfjuggalo | i can't bring the program to the front |
| 03:38.19 | TheCoffeMaker | darkelfjuggalo, or get you process pid with ps and kill it with the kill command |
| 03:38.39 | karlpinc | darkelfjuggalo: Use "ps ax" to find the process id. (Pipe to grep if you like.) And kill or kill -9 to kill it. (man kill) |
| 03:39.33 | cantido | nathwill: I use my phone for kicking off jenkins builds in bed, even that is painful |
| 03:40.06 | nathwill | cantido, heh. crazy people everywheres. |
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| 03:41.31 | cantido | debian tablet with a decent browser etc could be useful thinking about it. :) |
| 03:41.31 | darkelfjuggalo | do i need to sudo kill? |
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| 03:41.49 | gruntyboy | thank you very much for your help cantido karlpinc and somiaj |
| 03:42.09 | LtL | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:42.13 | karlpinc | darkelfjuggalo: Not if your user started the program. Otherwise yes. |
| 03:42.41 | somiaj | gruntyboy: glad it is working. |
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| 03:43.22 | bytetracker | anyone know why the deb wheezy / sid torrents are not on the tracker? |
| 03:43.41 | darkelfjuggalo | thank you |
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| 03:44.44 | gruntyboy | goodnight ! |
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| 03:45.03 | somiaj | bytetracker: why should they be, that is just for the installers/cds. The testing installer isn't for regular use and the versions are changing to much to keep up a cd collection. |
| 03:45.14 | xthree | is drunk |
| 03:45.17 | somiaj | bytetracker: again use the stable installer to install testing/unstable |
| 03:45.24 | bytetracker | I am |
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| 03:46.04 | bytetracker | somiaj: I previously grabbed torrents for several iso's CD's / DVD's etc... and they all fail. |
| 03:46.24 | bytetracker | somiaj: just wondering why there are over 100 torrents that will not work on the site |
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| 03:46.58 | somiaj | I don't use the torrents, just grab the netinstaller from a mirror, and start installing |
| 03:47.31 | bytetracker | somiaj: your advice was already taken and followed. Its downloaded, burned and im already installing. Its a seperate question. |
| 03:48.19 | bytetracker | I.e. every wheezy/testing sid/unstable cd/dvd/br/dlbd torrent for an iso fails. |
| 03:48.53 | cantido | bytetracker: what do you mean by fails? doesnt download? |
| 03:48.53 | somiaj | bytetracker: I am actually surprised testing/unstable iso's are made, things are changing to quickly for them to be of much use. |
| 03:49.01 | bytetracker | somiaj: you noted the quiet period for the last hour plus, that was when I was following your previous advice. |
| 03:49.05 | cantido | somiaj: there are weekly snapshots.. |
| 03:49.17 | bytetracker | daily ones too. |
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| 03:49.44 | karlpinc | OMG! They're wasting electrons! |
| 03:49.51 | bytetracker | the torrents fail, so yes, they don't download via bittorrent |
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| 03:50.29 | bytetracker | "Error Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker". and there are no other trackers to use, its that one or nothing. |
| 03:50.53 | bytetracker | the live cd's in those directories as well. |
| 03:51.43 | cantido | bytetracker: report it to the person that looks after the page? |
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| 03:56.00 | nsadmin | bytetracker, is that a debian package cd image? |
| 03:56.15 | bytetracker | yes |
| 03:56.36 | nsadmin | ok, and what you want to do is install debian with it? |
| 03:57.09 | nsadmin | Excuse if this is a repeat (and let me know)... |
| 03:58.23 | cantido | nsadmin: I think bytetracker's main issue is that there are torrents that just dont work |
| 03:59.38 | nsadmin | yeah, I guess new trackers have to be generated? but meanwhile let's see if we can get him going with something that gets him towards what he wants |
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| 04:00.18 | cantido | I think he has already downloaded the netinst image |
| 04:00.24 | cantido | scrolls up |
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| 04:00.51 | nsadmin | oh ok well... that would have been my contribution :) |
| 04:02.56 | bytetracker | nsadmin: yes |
| 04:03.18 | bytetracker | nsadmin, all of them ? |
| 04:03.23 | nsadmin | so, would a netinstall work for you (would, if the box will be networked) |
| 04:05.27 | bytetracker | nsadmin: I am not requesting anything be made, somiaj set me up. Im good to go and installing fine. It was a question more to understand the server's torrent files, and also to see if it was intentional (by design, feature) ... if you know what I mean. |
| 04:05.57 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:06.08 | bytetracker | Im sure the torrent files are made by a script |
| 04:07.44 | bytetracker | and those directory structures are filled by scripts ( bt-cd, bt-dvd, bt-bd, iso-cd, etc...) The torrent files for all testing / unstable daily / weekly and live iso's fail. None work. Only stable versions of torrents work. Only stable versions are on the bttracker.debian.org:6969/announce |
| 04:09.18 | nsadmin | hmm, interesting... could it be that the torrent stuff are not regenerated when a new image comes out? |
| 04:09.34 | bytetracker | they contain the proper file names etc... |
| 04:10.21 | nsadmin | correct me if i'm wrong, but would files have to be generated when images change? |
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| 04:13.03 | bytetracker | but the files are not available on the bttracker server, put this in your url bar: bttracker.debian.org:6969 |
| 04:13.56 | bytetracker | you'll see that all of the stable 6.x iso's are available, arch's, live, etc... but no wheezy/sid, testing/unstable, daily/weekly, etc... |
| 04:14.35 | bytetracker | so the torrents are generated, they appear to be properly formed, the files are just not on the server, or all of the torrents are pointing to the wrong server. i dunno. |
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| 04:15.58 | bytetracker | nsadmin: no you are not wrong. |
| 04:16.27 | bytetracker | nsadmin: im saying their generated, but they fail. |
| 04:16.50 | bytetracker | because the file they point to, is not on the server they point to. |
| 04:17.09 | bytetracker | its been that way for a long time. |
| 04:17.32 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 04:17.47 | bytetracker | did you drop that uri into your addy bar? |
| 04:19.33 | bytetracker | after doing so grab a 6.0.4 torr, and a testing / unstable, daily/weekly, wheezy/sid torr, open it up first 58 bytes show the server, ignoring the first 15 bytes. |
| 04:19.44 | nsadmin | some debian staff people can be fairly boneheaded and this sounds like one of those long fights where the controlling dd thinks nothing is wrong (or doesn't want to seem or look wrong) |
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| 04:20.24 | bytetracker | ok |
| 04:20.31 | bytetracker | :) |
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| 04:21.01 | nsadmin | I guess it could also be that if the images are moved to the right place things will start working |
| 04:21.10 | masterkiller1 | any suggestions for how to recover apache2.conf if i deleted it via command line? |
| 04:21.17 | masterkiller1 | and no backup... |
| 04:21.25 | streuner_ | !confmiss |
| 04:21.25 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 04:21.32 | somiaj | though who is sharing the torrents? Do the daily/weekly snapshot images actually get spread around so using torrents is useful? |
| 04:21.46 | bytetracker | yes |
| 04:22.08 | bytetracker | i usually dl a weekly/testing/wheezy torr |
| 04:22.09 | nsadmin | masterkiller1, no, I don't have suggestions... and, if you're not backed up, you may have some work ahead of you |
| 04:22.20 | masterkiller1 | *sigh* |
| 04:22.29 | bytetracker | if ext4, look at ddd |
| 04:22.40 | nsadmin | what's a ddd? |
| 04:22.44 | masterkiller1 | ext3 =/ |
| 04:23.02 | cantido | delete, deleted?!, doh! |
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| 04:25.19 | nsadmin | is reminded of the episode of "inside the actor's studio" where they interviewed the voice talent of "the simpsons"... at one point, the host asked several questions of the homer guy all of which were answered "doh!" in various styles/forms |
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| 04:26.51 | bytetracker | masterkiller1: sry, bad /me, recover scalpel magicrescue foremost extundelete - (ext3/ext4) ext3grep friendly-recovery e2undel ... |
| 04:27.39 | cantido | or choke it up to bad luck and keep backups in future |
| 04:27.40 | bytetracker | masterkiller1: backtrack linux live cd has loads of file / disk / partition recovery utils in the distro, and you won't be using your disks / hence overwriting it. |
| 04:27.58 | bytetracker | you can also check your tmp, or for a back up of the file depending on your editor. |
| 04:28.15 | bytetracker | vim makes a config~ file, etc... |
| 04:29.40 | cantido | wants a versioning filesystem |
| 04:29.53 | bytetracker | lol |
| 04:31.09 | bytetracker | no starch press released a bash script book, like a cook book, that versioned files instead of deleteing them, then handled them like logrotate (compressing, etc...) to save space, and eventually deleted them. |
| 04:31.31 | bytetracker | the script code is available on the site, with the rest of the src from the book. |
| 04:32.08 | cantido | bytetracker: there are tools for keeping /etc in git and svn too |
| 04:32.11 | bytetracker | i forget how, but it kept track of who actually did it too iirc. |
| 04:32.20 | bytetracker | aye |
| 04:32.28 | bytetracker | i rem seeing that |
| 04:32.36 | bytetracker | havn't looked into it. |
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| 04:34.35 | bytetracker | cantido: I can imagine that getting way out of control. |
| 04:35.24 | cantido | bytetracker: I havent used it.. I just have daily backups of /etc/ /var/www .. stuff that people can change and break |
| 04:36.10 | bytetracker | cantido: a definate smart thing to do. |
| 04:36.44 | cantido | yeah, just dont tell people you do backups.. otherwise they get lazy/stupid and delete stuff without worrying |
| 04:36.49 | bytetracker | cantido: one which i am ashamed to admit I have not always done in the past. |
| 04:37.19 | bytetracker | cantido: or charge a little money for restores and take more vacations. |
| 04:37.39 | bytetracker | to prevent insanity :) |
| 04:38.34 | cantido | I have a machine that has a dead disk in the array.. its been up for 300 days like that because no one in the office where the machine is has the guts to replace the disk |
| 04:39.10 | bytetracker | lol, where's that? |
| 04:39.16 | bytetracker | The north pole. |
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| 04:39.25 | bytetracker | afganistan? |
| 04:39.28 | bytetracker | lol |
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| 04:39.47 | cantido | machine is the us and i'm in .jp .. my arms aint that long |
| 04:39.58 | nsadmin | one of those caves where Bin Ladeh hid? |
| 04:40.16 | bytetracker | west coast? |
| 04:40.17 | cantido | nsadmin: bin laden was my server admin, thats why theres no one left to switch the disk |
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| 04:41.02 | nsadmin | Oh I see... the plot thickens... maybe homeland security can swap out the drive for ya... |
| 04:41.18 | cantido | or steal all the secrets off of it!! |
| 04:41.39 | nsadmin | I need my sucrets tho! |
| 04:41.59 | nsadmin | oh, sEcrets... |
| 04:42.11 | bytetracker | hehe |
| 04:42.24 | cantido | you can imagine what sort of secrets bin laden would have raid'ed |
| 04:43.05 | bytetracker | cantido if its west coast US, mid coast, by SF i might be able to go flop it for ya. |
| 04:43.08 | nsadmin | such as the intended way to configure apache2? |
| 04:43.43 | bytetracker | bin'laden had stuff like prize fights and sports bets in his lil black book. |
| 04:43.54 | cantido | bytetracker: nah its cool, I'm waiting for the other disk to die so I can say I told you so ;) |
| 04:43.59 | bytetracker | his secrets were all about ways to avoid his wives |
| 04:44.12 | bytetracker | ah, ok :) |
| 04:44.20 | cantido | notes that one wife is more than enough |
| 04:44.32 | bytetracker | agreed on the wife |
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| 04:44.45 | nsadmin | it gets exponentially harder when you have 2 wives... any more than that...well, I guess bin laden found out... |
| 04:44.46 | bytetracker | got one, don't need two, or a pretend one. |
| 04:45.22 | bytetracker | thats why they call them misstresses MIS stress S |
| 04:45.45 | bytetracker | quit callin me at home! famous last words |
| 04:45.52 | bytetracker | hehe |
| 04:46.24 | bytetracker | well my pillow becons, and 4am is in sight. im off, you guys have a good night |
| 04:46.25 | nsadmin | "but darling, you told me you were going to leave/kill her..." |
| 04:46.31 | bytetracker | lol |
| 04:46.53 | cantido | is surprised the off topic police have busted this up yet.. |
| 04:47.04 | bytetracker | cyal8r |
| 04:47.12 | nsadmin | jinxer! |
| 04:47.36 | cantido | ;p |
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| 04:51.16 | skyshadow | anyone see before? |
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| 04:52.27 | heroxbd | Hi, is it possible to create .deb package from an existing system based on filelist database of dpkg? |
| 04:52.29 | masterkiller1 | bytetracker: thanks for the tips, i'll check them all out (had to go put kid back to sleep) |
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| 05:09.55 | shifty | I have a fully encrypted LUKS system that decrypts using a keyfile on (the unencrypted) /boot partition. I'd like this to transparently failover to passphrase should the keyfile disappear. Any ideas? |
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| 05:11.58 | kevlarman | shifty: wait...so you have an unencrypted keyfile? |
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| 05:13.31 | shifty | kevlarman: yes. although it's not as dumb as it sounds. basically, before I toss out this computer at end of life, I'll just remove permission for that keyfile using 'cryptsetup luksDelKey'. |
| 05:13.45 | nevyn | no it is as dumb as it sounds. |
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| 05:14.58 | shifty | nevyn: how so? |
| 05:15.14 | glisigno1i | Hello! How can I find out what option the apache package was built with for debian squeeze? |
| 05:15.28 | glisigno1i | *options |
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| 05:16.03 | somiaj | glisigno1i: you may have to look into the source for that, apt-get source apache2 (then check out the debian/rules file) |
| 05:16.06 | civillian | glisigno1i: apache2 -V |
| 05:16.16 | nevyn | shifty: if at any point someone gains access to the keyfile on /boot they can decrypt the volume. |
| 05:17.09 | glisigno1i | Thanks! |
| 05:17.50 | shifty | nevyn: ah, I see why you are concerned. I'm not worried about physical security of this device. |
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| 05:19.36 | opakavic | for i5 processor and 4gb ram , what debian disc i should download? |
| 05:19.46 | civillian | opakavic: amd64 |
| 05:19.58 | opakavic | civillian: Okay thanks |
| 05:20.05 | somiaj | opakavic: either i386 or amd64 depending if you want 32bit or 64bit |
| 05:20.05 | civillian | opakavic: nps |
| 05:20.25 | civillian | somiaj: why would you want 32 bit? |
| 05:20.36 | shifty | now that we have ascertained I'm not a complete dolt... any bright ideas how to failover to passphrase when the keyfile is not present? |
| 05:20.43 | opakavic | yes, why should i prefer it? |
| 05:21.18 | opakavic | both are different right? how it is good if i choose either of one |
| 05:21.25 | civillian | opakavic: only if you have some pre-compiled software that won't work in amd64, even then you can run a virtual 32 bit environment for that |
| 05:21.33 | somiaj | civillian: some things do work slightly better in 32bit, depending on your use having a full 32bit userland is easier to manage than 32bit libs on a 64bit system. |
| 05:22.56 | somiaj | opakavic: either works, amd64 is the more modern format. (: |
| 05:23.16 | opakavic | pre-compiled softwares? can you say some softwares? |
| 05:23.16 | cantido | opakavic: you have 4gb of ram.. use amd64 |
| 05:23.19 | somiaj | opakavic: most likely you won't see much a difference. |
| 05:23.36 | cantido | opakavic: 32bit software works fine in a 64bit system.. so dont worry about it |
| 05:24.05 | opakavic | cantido: good words, i'll go with amd64 |
| 05:24.33 | nevyn | shifty: you can't decrypt a luks volume with a passphrase. only a key |
| 05:24.50 | nevyn | the passphrase just decrypts the key to use it. |
| 05:25.26 | nevyn | shifty: tho I think you can have more than one key |
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| 05:26.29 | nsadmin | mostly, when you choose to install a 32 or 64 b install cd, the thing to understand is it's not possible to go back and forth. so if you have any reason to pick one or the other, make it good |
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| 05:27.01 | cantido | nsadmin: there isnt much 32bit pre-compiled software that doesnt just work with the ia32 libs packages |
| 05:27.11 | nevyn | there's lots |
| 05:27.12 | nevyn | and lots |
| 05:27.17 | cantido | nevyn: example? |
| 05:27.22 | nevyn | ia32libs is nasty and fortunatly going away :) |
| 05:27.28 | nevyn | skype for a ages. |
| 05:27.39 | cantido | nevyn: its working fine on amd64 here |
| 05:28.23 | nsadmin | I'm just saying, if you have reason to pick one or the other, you should make your choice in the beginning since you'll be stuck with that choice for that install |
| 05:28.35 | nevyn | meh reinstalls are no big deal |
| 05:28.44 | nsadmin | "it doesn't matter" can depend on the user |
| 05:28.45 | opakavic | hehe yes |
| 05:28.46 | nevyn | I need to do a hdd migration... |
| 05:28.54 | cantido | nsadmin: if you have 4gb of ram, use amd64 :) |
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| 05:29.08 | nevyn | nsadmin: ^^ |
| 05:29.16 | nevyn | cantido++ |
| 05:29.21 | nsadmin | yeah, agreed |
| 05:29.39 | opakavic | for me? |
| 05:29.51 | nsadmin | how much ram do you have? |
| 05:29.52 | opakavic | plus plus |
| 05:30.04 | cantido | I think opakavic said 4gb |
| 05:30.11 | opakavic | 4gb yes |
| 05:30.29 | nevyn | opakavic: use amd64 |
| 05:30.29 | cantido | couldnt live without 8gb now :) |
| 05:30.31 | nsadmin | yeah, then using amd64 is probably indicated |
| 05:30.53 | nevyn | has 8gb on his "new" laptop |
| 05:30.56 | nevyn | it's AWESOME |
| 05:31.03 | nsadmin | why, it's soldered in and it's what keeps your brain halves toge3ther? |
| 05:31.06 | opakavic | :) |
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| 05:31.59 | nsadmin | sometimes (like the large ram thing) the choice is obvious... in this case it's a strong reason to go with amd64 |
| 05:32.02 | cantido | nevyn: once you've gone 8gb using machines with 64mb is like going back in time .. |
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| 05:34.45 | nsadmin | it is going back in time... cause modern kernels might not run :) |
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| 05:35.46 | cantido | I have 3.3 running on a machine with 64mb of ram :) |
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| 05:37.13 | shifty | nevyn: You are correct. |
| 05:37.15 | shifty | Let me approach this from another angle... To boot my computer, I insert my USB key which unlocks my LUKS encrypted LVM. Unfortunately, whilst I was in the shower, my mother came into my basement and washed all my clothes! Including my USB key! |
| 05:37.16 | shifty | How do I fail-back to the passphrase that I can type at boot time, in the event that USB key has gone through the wash? |
| 05:37.16 | shifty | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.33 | cantido | shifty: you back up your key |
| 05:37.46 | cantido | shifty: or wash your own clothes like a real man |
| 05:38.02 | cantido | and if you dry out the pen drive it will probably still workj |
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| 05:40.40 | shifty | cantido: if that scenario I had described actually existed, your suggestions would have been very helpful. |
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| 05:42.49 | cantido | shifty: the idea of having a password on the key is so that you can safely store it |
| 05:43.11 | shifty | Third and final attempt: Per /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/README.initramfs.gz, section 10, how do I failover to using a typed passphrase if the keyfile is unavailable? |
| 05:43.26 | nsadmin | check your pockets :P |
| 05:43.33 | cantido | shifty: put a key in the initramfs? |
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| 05:43.52 | cantido | you can have multiple keys for LUKS right? |
| 05:44.13 | nsadmin | why bother with encrypting? |
| 05:44.40 | cantido | nsadmin: indeed, it seems pointless to go to all the effort only to have a insecure backup plan |
| 05:44.42 | shifty | cantido: most certainly. which I do (have multiple keys). The trouble is that the early crypto mount or whatever it is doesn't fall back to a typed passphrase |
| 05:44.47 | skyshadow | guys i've got a strange problem with traceroute, every hop shows only "* * *" this just started after moving to cambodia |
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| 05:45.16 | cantido | shifty: get two usb keys, and never wash the two sets of jeans you have at the same time |
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| 05:45.22 | civillian | skyshadow: it means cambodia has no internets |
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| 05:46.21 | shifty | please people, the "why" of the matter is orthogonal to my question |
| 05:46.42 | cantido | or etch the bits of your key into a diamond so that you can manually recover it |
| 05:46.48 | nsadmin | skyshadow, or the protocol traceroute uses has been blocked by your isp |
| 05:47.12 | civillian | nsadmin: blasphemy! |
| 05:47.13 | nevyn | shifty: you're missing it... |
| 05:47.18 | cantido | nsadmin: traceroute doesnt use a protocol.. |
| 05:47.20 | nevyn | shifty: you always need a keyfile. |
| 05:47.23 | nevyn | ALWAYS |
| 05:47.30 | nevyn | you can have more than one keyfile |
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| 05:47.44 | skyshadow | i think it maybe some type of filtering in the country |
| 05:47.46 | nevyn | there is no way to decrypt a LUKS volume without a keyfile |
| 05:48.03 | nsadmin | it doesn't? not icmp? not ip? |
| 05:48.22 | cantido | skyshadow: traceroute uses echo request packets to discover the path.. if the hops dont return those packets it cant discover them |
| 05:48.25 | petern_ | it uses network protocols, it doesn't have a specific protocol |
| 05:48.33 | nevyn | shifty: you can have multiple keyfiles. |
| 05:48.36 | cantido | nsadmin: sorry, I thought you meant a "traceroute protocol" |
| 05:49.10 | petern_ | normal traceroute on debian defaults to udp |
| 05:49.14 | nsadmin | so you meant "traceroute doesn't have its own protocol" |
| 05:49.28 | shifty | nevyn: i feel like somebody who goes into a paint shop and asks for pink paint, only to have someone try to sell me blue or green! |
| 05:49.41 | cantido | nsadmin: indeed |
| 05:49.48 | skyshadow | tcptraceroute fails also |
| 05:50.00 | shifty | nevyn: perhaps you could tell me what you think I'm trying to do, so I can see where the disconnect is |
| 05:50.00 | nsadmin | howbout pings? |
| 05:50.08 | nsadmin | that should fail too, right? |
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| 05:50.42 | skyshadow | dig and pings all work |
| 05:50.56 | petern_ | dig is a dns tool |
| 05:50.57 | nsadmin | so, dns works, and pings work |
| 05:51.35 | skyshadow | strange internet here, ill just get a openvpn |
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| 05:51.58 | cantido | skyshadow: can you do the traceroute the other way around? |
| 05:51.59 | nsadmin | which again means traceroute (both forms, it seems) don't use icmp |
| 05:52.23 | skyshadow | normal traceroute uses icmp i think |
| 05:52.36 | jteguest | is there any linux distro or gnu distro out there that uses the GNU hurd kernel instead of the linux kernel. If so where can I download a distro of this os ? |
| 05:52.40 | cantido | nsadmin: pinging the target doesnt mean packets arent getting rejects by the hops.. |
| 05:53.01 | cantido | jteguest: if it uses hurd it isnt linux.. |
| 05:53.07 | cantido | jteguest: there is a hurd port of debian though |
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| 05:54.39 | skyshadow | just a guess, that's to obscure some observing server, just guessing |
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| 05:55.54 | somiaj | jteguest: debian has a gnu hurd port, but afiak the hurd kernel isn't complete. Though check out debian ports for the hurd. (: |
| 05:57.03 | petern_ | skyshadow, use traceroute -I for icmp |
| 05:57.10 | nsadmin | skyshadow, maybe ruling out icmp echo |
| 05:57.15 | jteguest | I thought hurd was the kernel that the gnu project was going to use before they changed there mind and used linux kernel :) |
| 05:57.42 | nsadmin | it is |
| 05:57.56 | cantido | jteguest: hurd gets very little active development |
| 05:58.00 | skyshadow | i did a reverse traceroute off giganews and it suggest that I'm filtered, max hops reached |
| 05:58.02 | cantido | jteguest: its a toy project if anything |
| 05:58.13 | nsadmin | they were frustrated because all the developers willing to work for free were doing linux |
| 05:58.33 | nsadmin | the hurd has never been very fast |
| 05:59.39 | nsadmin | if gnu/fsf got hurd to be acceptable, they'd drop linux like it's a big stinky turd |
| 06:00.10 | cantido | nsadmin: I dont think that will ever happen though |
| 06:00.42 | nsadmin | right, but they want it so bad they can taste it (not the big stinky turd tho) |
| 06:00.50 | cantido | back when you had either linux or minix you might have attracted people to help with hurd and get it up to par.. but its too late now |
| 06:00.50 | jteguest | ok I see so it is predominately all linux for opensource that and a few versions of solaris and bsd for free to use |
| 06:01.11 | nsadmin | the hurd does exist |
| 06:01.16 | nsadmin | not saying it does not |
| 06:01.34 | cantido | it exists, it just not something you would want to put on a production system |
| 06:01.41 | cantido | maybe tinker around in a vm |
| 06:02.40 | nsadmin | they have a good idea, and these linked daemons won't ever be really fast |
| 06:02.46 | cantido | jteguest: there are some non-unix free oses too.. like Haiku, AROS, plan9.. |
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| 06:03.21 | cantido | nothing is going to touch linux on hardware support/features any time soon ;) |
| 06:03.22 | nsadmin | what is it you actually want to know? |
| 06:04.30 | jteguest | Haiku, AROS, plan9 when did free versions of those come out just recently I thought plan9 was closed source |
| 06:04.47 | jteguest | I say Haiku though |
| 06:04.54 | jteguest | saw = say |
| 06:05.10 | civillian | say seemed more appropriate |
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| 06:05.23 | civillian | for a haiku anyway |
| 06:05.24 | cantido | jteguest: plan9 is opensource according to wikipedia.. the userland tools are in debian IIRC |
| 06:05.32 | nsadmin | are we riding a say saw? |
| 06:05.54 | cantido | haikus in English dont work because English doesnt have the special haiku words |
| 06:06.25 | civillian | Today's haiku: Never run 'rm -rf /'. Dishwasher. |
| 06:06.58 | nsadmin | jteguest, so, what specifically do you want? |
| 06:08.05 | jteguest | I was just curious how many different free non-linux based os alternatives there are that are open source and run on x86 |
| 06:08.25 | nsadmin | is that because you want to try one? |
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| 06:08.43 | nsadmin | what drives that curiousity? |
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| 06:10.21 | nsadmin | reason I asked, I got curious when you asked about one thing, and, getting the result formed it into a list |
| 06:10.46 | nsadmin | so I thought there is something else behind your curiousity |
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| 06:13.57 | nsadmin | so I thought, we could just drop the bullshit and talk about what -really- interests you |
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| 06:19.12 | jteguest | ok , but plan9 is not up to the level of linux I am more wondering all non-linux opensource free os other then linux ... All I know of is the opensources/free bsd ones ,and the open solaris are those the only ones close to linux ? |
| 06:20.51 | cantido | jteguest: nothing is going to touch linux |
| 06:21.07 | cantido | there just isnt enough interest in anything else |
| 06:21.16 | jteguest | opensolaris and bsd variants do |
| 06:21.21 | jteguest | to some extent |
| 06:21.30 | jteguest | or there is a much closer gap |
| 06:21.35 | cantido | jteguest: opesolaris and the bsds dont have the same level of hardware support |
| 06:21.57 | jteguest | ok, but what I am getting at is close to linux as possible |
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| 06:22.45 | cantido | why does it matter? |
| 06:22.48 | jteguest | or if you want to call it the major next level after linux is bsd variants and open solaris |
| 06:23.25 | jteguest | would there be any on the level with opensolaris / bsd that I would be missing ? |
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| 06:24.19 | somiaj | yea why does it matter and what does this have to do with debian. Check out the debian kfreebsd port if you want to play with a non-linux kernel but still be on topic in #debian. |
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| 06:24.24 | cantido | jteguest: what does this have with debian? |
| 06:24.24 | jteguest | because just because linux supports more drivers makes it more convient to use but not in theory a better kernel. Even though I agree it is |
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| 06:24.57 | cantido | jteguest: if you're looking for something that is better than linux you won't find much |
| 06:25.13 | cantido | its not perfect but it isnt massively bad either |
| 06:25.32 | jteguest | won't find much so your telling me theres a chance I could? |
| 06:25.35 | somiaj | better is also subjective. There are many who prefer the bsd kernel/userland. |
| 06:26.04 | cantido | somiaj: how many people really care about the kernel? ;) |
| 06:26.46 | somiaj | cantido: I know a small group of people who prefer the bsd's because of the kernel and userland. |
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| 06:26.55 | somiaj | cantido: but yes most people don't, (: |
| 06:27.16 | jteguest | you would if you couldn't run multiple programs very fast or allocate memory very efficiently ;) even though you may not think that directly indirectly you would feel the effects ;) |
| 06:27.25 | cantido | I doubt most people really even notice what distro they are using.. |
| 06:27.46 | somiaj | cantido: besides for the splash screen that tells them. (: |
| 06:27.52 | cantido | jteguest: you're free to rewrite linuxs VM system if you want |
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| 06:28.15 | somiaj | though there was a benchmark article a year or two ago that was intersting, bsd was running linux native games faster than linux. (: |
| 06:28.19 | cantido | memory allocation is done by libc too though |
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| 06:28.25 | jteguest | well that is because most distros are just changeing the windows manager and a few installed things be default / configuration but use all the same kernel linux |
| 06:28.44 | cantido | jteguest: there are debian ports to freebsd and hurd |
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| 06:28.55 | cantido | and there is a solaris one IIRC not official though |
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| 06:29.47 | jteguest | and I bet there is an effect if you use hurd or freebsd instead of linux getting back to my above indirect point |
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| 06:30.02 | cantido | jteguest: most of your hardware doesnt work |
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| 06:30.27 | fredl | hi folks. Running Libreoffice on Sid and it seems the fonts for the menu are missing. |
| 06:30.40 | jteguest | are you talking with freebsd or hurd? |
| 06:31.04 | cantido | jteguest: yes .. or if your hardware does work things like hardware video decoding etc wont work |
| 06:31.10 | somiaj | fredl: step 1) check the bts. step 2) if no bug report is found, try to research what is wrong, submit a report |
| 06:31.27 | cantido | jteguest: install one of the bsds and have a go if you want to prove it to yourself |
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| 06:31.30 | somiaj | fredl: downgrading to privious versions where you had the fonts (they are sometimes still in /var/cache/apt/archives) is useful |
| 06:31.44 | jteguest | cartido are you talking about freebsd or hurd or both? |
| 06:31.47 | somiaj | fredl: if that dones't fix it, it could be a font/gtk (or whatever libreoffice uses) issue |
| 06:32.21 | cantido | jteguest: every os that isnt windows or linux or maybe to a small degree osx (limited hardware support is a feature there) |
| 06:33.45 | fredl | somiaj: that's fine, but isnt the idea of a community such as on IRC to first ask 'does anybody experience the same problem?' |
| 06:33.52 | jteguest | ok , but then how did linux , windows , and osx get the ability to develop all the drivers / spec's did they have to pay for them or something |
| 06:34.44 | cantido | jteguest: Windows - direct support from vendors, Linux - direct support from vendors, reverse engineering, OSX - direct support from vendors (limited base to cover anyhow) |
| 06:34.46 | jteguest | if linux has all the drivers then how are they not open source |
| 06:35.10 | somiaj | fredl: no. First off this is mainly a debian stable support chan, second the bts is a far better source to centeralize the info of people experencing a similar bug |
| 06:35.19 | cantido | jteguest: all the drivers that are in the linux mainline are opensource (except maybe firmware blobs) |
| 06:35.44 | somiaj | fredl: irc is more to help with issues, point you in the right direction. Though there is #debian-next or irc.oftc.net if you want a place more designed to talk about the current sid bugs. |
| 06:35.48 | cantido | jteguest: they cant just be dumped in to the BSDs because they are GPL licensed |
| 06:36.01 | jteguest | when you say "direct support from vendors" do you mean they physically had somebody help/tell them what port read/write goes where |
| 06:36.10 | jteguest | to drive the devices |
| 06:36.26 | fredl | #debian-next is invite-only. |
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| 06:37.21 | cantido | jteguest: tons of people with @intel.com etc addresses are active on the LKML.. I wonder where they work.. |
| 06:37.27 | somiaj | fredl: ON irc.oftc.net -- if you read it is not htis network |
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| 06:39.40 | jteguest | " jteguest: they cant just be dumped in to the BSDs because they are GPL licensed" ok so doesn't these other kernels /non-linux distro's have the abiltiy to read thru the linux source code an recode the driver programs so they have support for all the drivers to? |
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| 06:40.52 | cantido | jteguest: sure, some of the hobby oses have used linux drivers as the base for their own drivers.. but if you only have 10 active developers you aren't going to be porting hundreds of drivers/keeping them alive |
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| 06:41.06 | jteguest | because at the basic level the code will eventually tell you what you have to write where in terms of port read and writes and these would be the same regardless of what kernel you where using these specific to the device |
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| 06:42.22 | cantido | jteguest: that doesnt mean the all the other opensource oses are going to magically grow all the features linux has |
| 06:42.48 | jteguest | I see your point cantido it is about the sure number of people and amount of effort with no help/minimal help to code these drivers that makes it so hard to keep up with driver development / support |
| 06:42.51 | cantido | jteguest: i.e. hurd probably has 5 people seriously working on it .. its not going to progress at any rate you can see with the naked eye |
| 06:43.59 | jteguest | what about say a linux kernel , or windows kernel , or mac kernel to but it into perspective ? |
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| 06:44.34 | cantido | checkout the LKML.. its pretty active |
| 06:44.51 | jteguest | how many people for those major ones to the minor ones |
| 06:45.17 | jteguest | "LKML" ? |
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| 06:45.31 | cantido | I'm not sure where you're trying to go with this.. if you want a "better" unix kernel feel free to write one.. |
| 06:45.55 | cantido | is pretty happy with linux |
| 06:46.14 | somiaj | there is also #debian-offtopic (: |
| 06:46.31 | ddmbr | I have many mp3 files in a directory, how to get all their absolute path into one file in order to generate a playlist?Can it be solved in one line? |
| 06:46.56 | cantido | somiaj: I guess his point is "why isnt debian using something that isnt linux" .. which is sort of ontopic |
| 06:46.57 | somiaj | ddmbr: ls /path/to/directory/* > playlist_file |
| 06:47.24 | ddmbr | however there're sub-directories... |
| 06:47.34 | cantido | ddmbr: find maybe |
| 06:47.40 | somiaj | cantido: though we already answered him, there is a kfreebsd and hurd port. (: |
| 06:47.46 | ddmbr | !!yes |
| 06:48.07 | somiaj | ddmbr: yea use find if you want to search though subdirectories. there is a -type f (for only files) |
| 06:48.07 | cantido | somiaj: yeah, I'm waiting for a massive build to finish though so I dont mind going around in circles :@ |
| 06:48.15 | cantido | s/:@/:p |
| 06:48.23 | ddmbr | thank you! |
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| 06:55.06 | Radex | Hi somebody have access to: deutsche telekom ag DE, neostrada plus PL, sky broadband UK or ip pools UK? I need to test CDN |
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| 06:56.06 | lasers | I always have a terrible experience with Chrome on amd64. Is it just me? :| |
| 06:56.29 | cantido | works fine here except it create a thread for each tab |
| 06:56.33 | lasers | Chrome would utilze my memory too much. |
| 06:56.34 | cantido | has lots of tabs |
| 06:56.47 | cantido | lasers: close some of the windows/tabs |
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| 06:57.16 | lasers | cantido: Well, how many tabs does "alot" mean? If I leave Chrome in the panel for an hour, high leak. |
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| 06:58.37 | cantido | lasers: is one process using a lot of memory? |
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| 06:58.55 | lasers | cantido: I don't know. I'm trying Opera because I'm fed up with Chrome. ;__; |
| 06:59.02 | cantido | on my machine I have a thread for each tab and each of those is using n hundred meg of ram |
| 06:59.04 | lasers | opens Chrome |
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| 06:59.32 | cantido | sometimes I dont close tabs for a week or so and then I have about 40 tabs and the machine slows down a bit |
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| 07:00.52 | lasers | 22 extensions. ;__; |
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| 07:04.28 | lasers | Keeping an eye on my Task Manager. I like Chrome despite the fact that it leaks too much for me. |
| 07:05.25 | cantido | maybe its one of those extensions |
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| 07:05.56 | cantido | if it really is a leak you should report it on the chrome issue tracker |
| 07:06.09 | somiaj | yea chrome doesn't leak here, though I think each tab takes up more memory than it should, I think that is just modern webpages in general |
| 07:06.19 | somiaj | s/chrome/chromium/ |
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| 07:06.47 | cantido | somiaj: it creates a new thread and sandbox for each tab.. so each tab has a big footprint |
| 07:07.03 | cantido | wishes it would do some thread pooling thing and suspend idle tabs |
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| 07:07.34 | somiaj | cantido: I've been dabbling with switching to vimprobable2 |
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| 07:09.23 | SimulianT | guys which desktop environvent would be most suitable for netbook ? |
| 07:09.28 | SimulianT | lxde ? |
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| 07:10.05 | Radex | SimulianT: or xfce, depends on you |
| 07:10.06 | Krabbe | jwm :D |
| 07:10.17 | somiaj | grab a wm and install the software you want to use |
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| 07:11.51 | izepstan | Hi, Hello There, Does someone know which ethernet driver i have to select on Hyper-V? |
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| 07:12.35 | somiaj | izepstan: are you in debian, use lspci and grab the actual chipset |
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| 07:13.32 | izepstan | only have: libertas, libipw, libphy, lxt, marvell. etc.. |
| 07:13.58 | somiaj | what? I don't follow that |
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| 07:15.05 | cantido | the ethernet interface might not show up as a pci device.. you'll still need a kernel driver though.. I'm sure google knows about it |
| 07:15.17 | izepstan | i started debi installation on hyper-v now im on Detect Network Hardware, "No Ethernet card was detected. If you know the name of the driver needed by your ... ..." The a list of 20 drivers or more. |
| 07:15.29 | somiaj | yea I guess if it is a usbdevice or what not. |
| 07:15.43 | somiaj | izepstan: unless you can tell us what your chipset is it will be hard to idenitfy the driver you need |
| 07:15.53 | somiaj | izepstan: are you using the netinstaller? |
| 07:16.00 | izepstan | yep netinstaller |
| 07:16.02 | cantido | somiaj: it might not emulate a bus at all, it might talk via magic to the hypervisor :) |
| 07:16.07 | izepstan | hyper-v on some HP cluster.. |
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| 07:16.49 | somiaj | well I'm unfamilar with such hardware, but you can skip the network part |
| 07:16.56 | izepstan | ok |
| 07:16.58 | somiaj | there is enough info on thenetinstall to install a minimial base system |
| 07:17.03 | cantido | somiaj: its a VM :) |
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| 07:17.29 | somiaj | just skip the tasksel at the end, from there you can get the tools to install what you need to get your network up |
| 07:17.34 | cantido | izepstan: the drivers for hyper v are apparently in kernel 2.6.32, I cant find what they're actually called though |
| 07:17.35 | somiaj | cantido: ahh explains it, I don't use VM's (: |
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| 07:18.38 | cantido | the nic detection thing is probably using lcpci and lsusb, so it wouldnt be looking for the hyper v stuff |
| 07:18.59 | slingr | i have a general question here. I have debian installed on a second hard drive for a dual-boot (thinkpad ultrabay). thing is, sometimes i don't always boot up with my HDD in the ultrabay slot, sometimes I have the dvd-rw in there. when i don't have the second drive in there i get a grub rescue console, rather than just booting into windows 7 or at least having a grub menu where i can select |
| 07:18.59 | slingr | windows 7 since the second drive with debian isn't present. |
| 07:19.34 | izepstan | i'm going to use xen on hyper-v... |
| 07:20.43 | somiaj | slingr: did you install grub onto the mbr of your second disk or first disk? |
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| 07:21.05 | nsadmin | what about your interal drive |
| 07:21.13 | somiaj | slingr: oh I think I see what is going on, it is missing your /boot parttion to find the grub menu |
| 07:21.26 | slingr | ahhh :/ |
| 07:21.27 | somiaj | slingr: can you say repartion a small /boot sector on your primary disk |
| 07:21.41 | slingr | so i guess by default it installed onto the second drive mbr? |
| 07:21.43 | somiaj | slingr: say a few hundered megs, so it can find the grub menu |
| 07:21.48 | nsadmin | slingr, do you have an internal drive that NEVER moves? |
| 07:21.58 | slingr | never |
| 07:22.01 | slingr | its static |
| 07:22.07 | slingr | the linux drive is removable |
| 07:22.13 | somiaj | slingr: no I think it is because it is missing /boot/grub and isn't able to find your grub.menu thus sending you to the resuce console |
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| 07:22.26 | nsadmin | that would be a yes or no question, not understanding the response. |
| 07:22.32 | slingr | that makes sense too, since i still get grub, just the rescue console |
| 07:22.46 | slingr | nsadmin it never moves. |
| 07:22.50 | nsadmin | so yes or no, you have an internal drive? |
| 07:22.54 | slingr | the internet drive |
| 07:22.58 | slingr | yes |
| 07:23.04 | slingr | and it does not get removed |
| 07:23.11 | slingr | sorry for the confusion |
| 07:23.37 | nsadmin | ok, my recommendation echos some others here, and it would be that you install grub on that internal drive and go from there |
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| 07:24.14 | slingr | create a small 100mb partition with the /boot sector on the internal drive, correct? |
| 07:24.18 | somiaj | grub seems it is already installed on that though, else it wouldn't error out to a grub resuce console when the disk is not there |
| 07:24.22 | nsadmin | and you -will- need a /boot on a unixlike filesystem on that drive |
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| 07:24.36 | nsadmin | yes |
| 07:24.40 | nsadmin | correct |
| 07:24.41 | slingr | great, thanks for the help, all of you |
| 07:24.49 | somiaj | slingr: 100 megs seems a bit small to me, espically since hd space isn't that rare |
| 07:24.59 | slingr | recommendations? |
| 07:25.10 | somiaj | slingr: well maybe not, 100 megs should be able to store about 4-5 kernels. |
| 07:25.17 | somiaj | I didn't realize how many kernels I had sitting in my /boot |
| 07:25.25 | slingr | i only have the one |
| 07:25.31 | slingr | and i'm not planning on recompiling anytime soon |
| 07:25.33 | somiaj | I'm using about 70megs and there are 5 kernels |
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| 07:25.43 | somiaj | slingr: yes but you want enough space to have 2-3 (for upgrades) |
| 07:25.50 | somiaj | so nevermind me 100megs should be fine. (: |
| 07:25.55 | nsadmin | so if you do that, the benefit for you is that all your boots are going to be the same, will start with the internal-drive grub, which will pull in pieces of itself (grub) from /boot |
| 07:25.59 | slingr | good catch, i never thought of that |
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| 07:26.08 | cantido | you want space for at least two.. so when you upgrade you still have the old one around |
| 07:26.31 | slingr | great info, i really appreciate the help everyone |
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| 07:26.52 | slingr | i'm going to reboot into linux now |
| 07:27.00 | cantido | most of the bulk is in /lib/modules anyhow |
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| 07:28.53 | Mohsen_Hassani | My Laptop wireless is not working. The sudo ifconfig wlan0 up raises the error: wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 07:29.09 | cantido | its telling you what the issue is |
| 07:29.20 | ffrank | hi. my lenny boxes complain about the backports repo. I'm getting this: Release file expired, ignoring http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian-backports/dists/lenny-backports/Release (invalid since 2d 10h 28min 55s) ...is this intentional? |
| 07:29.34 | Mohsen_Hassani | cantido, I'm afraid I don't understand what the error! |
| 07:30.01 | nsadmin | Mohsen_Hassani, do you have a wired net too, so you can connect the wire? |
| 07:30.01 | somiaj | slingr: one last remakr, may want to think of having windows as your default choice in grub (hate the thought) but this will make it so if you don't make the timmer you don't try to boot onto a hd that isn't there |
| 07:30.03 | cantido | Mohsen_Hassani: its saying you dont have an interface called wlan0.. what does ifconfig -a say? |
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| 07:30.12 | somiaj | slingr: though you could just turn off the timer and make it have to wait for a selction as well |
| 07:30.55 | Mohsen_Hassani | I have a wired connection, and I already used ifconfig -a, but I doesn't list the wlan0, I only have eth0 and lo |
| 07:31.21 | nsadmin | ok, so that means the kernel has not seen your wireless at all |
| 07:31.28 | Mohsen_Hassani | Does it mean that I haven't installed the wireless driver? If so, why does the Bluetooth work? |
| 07:31.34 | cantido | Mohsen_Hassani: what does lspci say? |
| 07:31.38 | Mohsen_Hassani | 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000 |
| 07:31.44 | nsadmin | you need two things: 1, driver... 2, firmware |
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| 07:31.56 | cantido | Mohsen_Hassani: bluetooth and 802.11 are totally different things ;) |
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| 07:32.04 | Mohsen_Hassani | Maybe I need to modprobe something, but I don't know what... |
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| 07:32.09 | nsadmin | Mohsen_Hassani, give us that line again with lspci -nn\ |
| 07:32.19 | nsadmin | (no \) |
| 07:32.27 | brah | If a device shows up in `lsusb`, does that mean the driver is installed? |
| 07:32.30 | Mohsen_Hassani | 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000 [8086:0084] |
| 07:32.38 | cantido | brah: no |
| 07:32.41 | somiaj | brah: no |
| 07:32.56 | nsadmin | , pciid [8086:0084] |
| 07:32.57 | judd | [8086:0084] is 'Centrino Wireless-N 1000' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'iwlagn' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0084 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 07:33.09 | terron | Why does tab completion work in bash when connecting via a ssh connection, but not when using uxterm within the OS itself? |
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| 07:33.26 | somiaj | brah: check dmesg -- that is a good place to see for errors/info about the device being detected by the kenel |
| 07:33.40 | brah | , pciid [05e1:0100] |
| 07:33.41 | judd | [05e1:0100] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=05e1:0100 |
| 07:33.46 | cantido | terron: because the tab completion in the ssh case is on the other machine |
| 07:33.46 | brah | Oh no. |
| 07:33.49 | somiaj | brah: lsmod will list the loaded modules if you know what module is needed for the device. |
| 07:33.50 | nsadmin | Mohsen_Hassani, lsmod | grep 'ata_generic' |
| 07:34.08 | terron | cantido: I'm connecting from a windows machine, no ssh config on this side |
| 07:34.09 | somiaj | brah: what that the id of your usb device? |
| 07:34.18 | brah | [05e1:0100] |
| 07:34.33 | terron | bash has autocomplete, but (u)xterm doesn't seem to see it, even though it's running bash |
| 07:34.37 | somiaj | brah: so of course it won't have an entry in the pci - id deivices. |
| 07:34.44 | nsadmin | err, actually, do this instead |
| 07:34.52 | nsadmin | Mohsen_Hassani, lsmod | grep 'ata_generic' | wc -l |
| 07:35.18 | brah | Any way to tell the bot to look it up as an usb device? |
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| 07:35.45 | nsadmin | judd is a front end for udd (ultimate debian database) |
| 07:35.49 | somiaj | ,usbid [05e1:0100] |
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| 07:36.04 | Mohsen_Hassani | nsadmin, I get 0 |
| 07:36.05 | somiaj | brah: I usually use google. I'm their slave |
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| 07:36.53 | nsadmin | ok, so that module is not loaded |
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| 07:37.50 | Mohsen_Hassani | nsadmin, If I use lsmod I can see the list of all the loaded modules. Is there any command to display the complete list of modules (I need to see the modules that have not been loaded) |
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| 07:38.34 | nsadmin | well they're in /lib/modules/yourkernelversion |
| 07:38.51 | somiaj | brah: what kind of usb device is it? |
| 07:39.02 | slingr | okies |
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| 07:39.28 | slingr | i got the partition resized with gparted |
| 07:39.36 | brah | It's an integrated bluetooth + wireless adapter. |
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| 07:40.04 | nsadmin | slingr, ok, then you would reboot |
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| 07:40.50 | somiaj | brah: I would grab the chipset and search the debian wiki |
| 07:40.56 | slingr | well, i haven't formatted the new partition yet. trying to plan next step. wouldn't it be to run grub-install on /dev/sda3 ( new partition?) |
| 07:41.45 | somiaj | slingr: probably just put it on the mbr /dev/sda |
| 07:41.54 | somiaj | (over the version you have installed there already that wasn't working) |
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| 07:42.15 | somiaj | slingr: all you need to do is copy over the contents from /boot onto that new file system |
| 07:42.19 | slingr | and just copy the contents of /boot... |
| 07:42.25 | somiaj | then setup a mount point in /etc/fstab |
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| 07:42.59 | slingr | doesn't matter which ext2/3/4 i format as right (just gonna do ext4) |
| 07:43.16 | nsadmin | yeah, true, you should mount it... (once you have it set up properly it will boot whether you later mount it or not) |
| 07:43.17 | somiaj | I'd say ext2, it is small and won't be written to that much |
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| 07:43.28 | slingr | okay |
| 07:44.38 | nsadmin | if you were to try ext4, you should read up on whether the grub you have supports that yet |
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| 07:46.28 | slingr | ext2 is fine |
| 07:46.40 | slingr | was just going for congruency |
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| 07:47.54 | slingr | okay i think i'm ready here |
| 07:48.07 | slingr | i partitioned that drive as ext2, added it to fstab and mounted it |
| 07:48.20 | slingr | and cp -pr /boot /mnt/grub (where i mounted it) |
| 07:48.56 | nsadmin | cool |
| 07:49.10 | nsadmin | hmm, what's -pr... this is squeeze? |
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| 07:49.25 | slingr | preserve rights and recursive |
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| 07:50.22 | nsadmin | hmm, that should make it similar to the tar thing I usually tell people to do |
| 07:51.03 | somiaj | I use cp -a |
| 07:52.03 | slingr | hah |
| 07:52.11 | nsadmin | is -a equivalent? |
| 07:52.13 | slingr | i'm always learning... gosh i love debian |
| 07:52.16 | slingr | yeah seems like it |
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| 07:52.36 | nsadmin | you're running squeeze? |
| 07:52.40 | slingr | okay, going to shutdown, remove drive and try to boot up |
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| 07:52.53 | slingr | well this is actually a backtrack installation, but i run squeeze on all my servers here |
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| 07:54.53 | slingr | i've only been using debian since woody though, still a novice :/ |
| 07:54.55 | slingr | reboot time |
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| 07:55.54 | terron | cantido: turns out it was some weird xfce thing. found the answer in a xubuntu help thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1771058&page=2 |
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| 07:56.27 | nsadmin | what's the difference between xfce and lxde? |
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| 07:58.29 | ksk | xfce is some low ressource manager |
| 07:58.32 | somiaj | grab a live image of each and check it out. |
| 07:58.35 | ksk | isnst lxde kinda fancy? |
| 07:58.44 | geofridh | it's not that fancy |
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| 07:58.53 | somiaj | ksk: the l means lightweight |
| 07:59.02 | ksk | yap, just got that^^ nvm.. |
| 07:59.23 | nsadmin | are both considered desktop envs? or are either window managers? |
| 07:59.42 | geofridh | they are both DEs |
| 07:59.52 | geofridh | XFCE has its own WM, LXDE uses Openbox |
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| 08:06.20 | nsadmin | what's this unity thing? |
| 08:06.33 | nsadmin | de also? |
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| 08:06.59 | cantido | nsadmin: its the DE for ubuntu that apparently everyone hates |
| 08:07.13 | cantido | or a 3d engine for android,ios etc |
| 08:07.46 | nsadmin | are they the same thing? |
| 08:08.03 | geofridh | they are different things with the same name |
| 08:08.09 | nsadmin | ok |
| 08:08.13 | streuner_ | http://unity-linux.org/screenshots/ |
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| 08:08.50 | nsadmin | cool; thanks for the info... reading up on that cp thing... maybe I trust it as much as a tar stream when copying partitions |
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| 08:10.34 | somiaj | nsadmin: you can just use rsync if that is your tool of choice |
| 08:10.43 | nairb- | hah... I hit up-arrow a couple times and changed a command.... thought I changed it to ls /etc/rc.*/* |
| 08:10.53 | nairb- | actually changed it to sudo rm /etc/rc.*/* |
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| 08:12.02 | nairb- | I just ran this: /etc/init.d$ ls -1 | grep -v README | grep -v skeleton | awk '{print "sudo insserv "$1}'|sh ...and got a bunch of errors about other stuff needing to be started before other stuff.... but I ran it like 6 times and then there were no errors. think that should fix it? |
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| 08:13.32 | somiaj | nairb-: are you trying to restore the links in /etc/rc?.d |
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| 08:13.38 | project2501a | nairb-: maybe you want to reconsider the idea that everything can be fixed by pounding on them |
| 08:13.38 | nairb- | somiaj: yeah |
| 08:13.44 | somiaj | note there are no files that match /etc/rc.*/* so that didn't really remove anything |
| 08:14.13 | nairb- | somiaj: i typed it wrong here in irc, it was without the . ....it removed everything. |
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| 08:14.25 | nairb- | project2501a: well, is there a better way? |
| 08:14.48 | nairb- | project2501a: I *think* pounding worked. if there's a more elegant (and still fairly quick) solution I'd love to hear it |
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| 08:15.48 | project2501a | quick? that's relevant. how fast can you read? |
| 08:16.25 | nairb- | project2501a: I can read relatively quickly but I'm not going to take a course in sysadmining just to get my init scripts back to how they are in a default instalation, especially if what I did worked |
| 08:16.26 | project2501a | s/relevant/relative/ |
| 08:16.46 | geofridh | probably too late for it now, but etckeeper |
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| 08:17.36 | nairb- | geofridh: ooh, that's cool. I might start using that. |
| 08:17.53 | somiaj | nairb-: update-rc.d service defaults (will install the links correctly) |
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| 08:18.37 | project2501a | geofridh: etckeeper does not create {sym,hard}links (cuz it the software underneath it is git) |
| 08:18.39 | project2501a | anyway |
| 08:18.42 | somiaj | was hoping there was a way to have that just go though all your services. But I didn't see one. |
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| 08:19.17 | geofridh | thanks for the detail, project2501a |
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| 08:19.33 | project2501a | at least nobody can say i troll all the time :D |
| 08:19.34 | nairb- | somiaj: that gives me: update-rc.d: error: unable to read /etc/init.d/service |
| 08:19.43 | geofridh | project2501a: no, that was good information :) |
| 08:19.52 | somiaj | replace service with the name of the serveice you want to generate the lnksfor |
| 08:19.59 | somiaj | i.e. the names of the different scipts in /etc/init.d |
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| 08:21.23 | Almtesh | Hi everyone! |
| 08:21.25 | somiaj | nairb-: just go though /etc/init.d and do that to the services you want/need. |
| 08:21.37 | Almtesh | I have debian squeeze installed with kde. |
| 08:22.03 | Almtesh | I use nouveau as driver. |
| 08:22.15 | Almtesh | How can I enable X11 composite? |
| 08:22.23 | nairb- | somiaj: oh, yeah, that's what I did before with my thing above.... except I used insserv.... project2501a is just complaining because I "banged on it" when the order in which I made those calls resulted in complaints about other services needing to be there first |
| 08:22.40 | nairb- | somiaj: i'm not really sure what ones I need... it's a default install,... are there any there that I shouldn't have? |
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| 08:23.36 | project2501a | nairb-: i'm complaining cuz you seem a fairly smart individual, who for the past two days have been hanging out here, reporting on all shorts of wrong things, which could had been avoided with a little reading |
| 08:24.35 | nairb- | i know I screwed up with my rm command, I just wasn't paying attention :-P |
| 08:24.42 | project2501a | welcome to unix. |
| 08:25.20 | nairb- | i've been using linux since 1996... I don't need a welcome message. I'm just kinda screwing around with a free ec2 instance. |
| 08:25.37 | project2501a | alright |
| 08:26.16 | nairb- | but, I don't know much about init scripts... never needed to learn much about them. |
| 08:26.25 | ws2k3 | i have a debian server in a data center. i now use an externel smtp server to send out mail how should u configure it that it send it own mail ? |
| 08:26.33 | ws2k3 | without the need of that externel smtp server ? |
| 08:26.48 | project2501a | ws2k3: come again? |
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| 08:27.32 | somiaj | ws2k3: you can configure an mta (such as postfix) to relay to the extrenal smtp server |
| 08:27.33 | ws2k3 | i have a server in a data center. how should i configure it that it can send it own mail |
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| 08:27.59 | ws2k3 | somiaj i do that now. using nullmailer |
| 08:28.22 | ws2k3 | problem with nullmailing is that if it cant diliver the message it stays trying over and over again |
| 08:28.29 | brah | Okay, I just installed my wifi chip's drivers. |
| 08:28.30 | somiaj | ws2k3: then install a full mta (exim4, postfix, qmail, etc) |
| 08:28.40 | ws2k3 | so that company called me that my vps is spamming there smtp server |
| 08:28.43 | brah | It has two executables, one to spot wifi signals, and another one to make the usb device available. |
| 08:28.49 | project2501a | ws2k3: why does it stay trying, ever and over, and over? |
| 08:28.50 | brah | But both require root password to use. |
| 08:28.59 | project2501a | over, even |
| 08:29.04 | ws2k3 | i dont know thats default in nullmailer |
| 08:29.07 | brah | Would it be a good idea to give a regular user permissions for those executables? |
| 08:29.10 | ws2k3 | i'm looking how i can change that |
| 08:29.26 | project2501a | ws2k3: maybe you want to take a look at the log null mailer leaves behind? |
| 08:29.52 | project2501a | brah: no, cuz they need root access to access the hardware |
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| 08:30.05 | ws2k3 | project i already did |
| 08:30.11 | ws2k3 | but it just stays trying |
| 08:30.22 | project2501a | ws2k3: can you turn on the detail level please? |
| 08:30.25 | brah | project2501a: What other options do I have? |
| 08:30.32 | project2501a | leave it as root? |
| 08:30.46 | brah | project2501a: Then the users won't be able to use wifi. |
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| 08:31.03 | project2501a | it's on your laptop, correct? |
| 08:31.11 | brah | Yeah. I get your point. |
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| 08:31.35 | ws2k3 | project as far as i know i cant |
| 08:31.49 | project2501a | brah: what chipset was it? was there not a debian non-free firmware? |
| 08:32.36 | project2501a | ws2k3: do you know about the manual pages on linux? type man nullmailer on the command line. go through the page, i am sure you will find the -v option or something similar |
| 08:32.37 | brah | Yep, non-free firmware. A 3DSP chipset. |
| 08:32.42 | project2501a | or -d |
| 08:32.52 | project2501a | brah: no debian package for it? |
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| 08:33.09 | brah | Not even an Ubuntu package. |
| 08:33.21 | project2501a | tough luck |
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| 08:34.11 | project2501a | did you check kernel.org , to see if there is a driver for it? and you might want to take a look at sid/experimental to see if they got your drivers in. kinda funny these days that there is no firmware at all for a chipset in debian |
| 08:34.41 | brah | What do you mean? I got the thing working, just that it needs a root password to run. |
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| 08:35.36 | Oak | after installing Deian, I am installing apache2 using apt-get, and the system is asking: "Media change: please insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.4 _Squeeze_ - Official i386 xfce+lxde-CD Binary-1 20120128-12:53'" |
| 08:35.36 | ws2k3 | project i know i already tryed that |
| 08:35.38 | project2501a | sid/experimental might have a package for you. which will insert the drivers and start wifi for you, automatically, if you install it. |
| 08:35.43 | ws2k3 | but the manpages are realy small |
| 08:35.48 | Oak | how do make it install those things from the Internet |
| 08:35.54 | ws2k3 | and any usefull information about how to drop a message when failed |
| 08:36.18 | project2501a | Oak: man apt.sources |
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| 08:36.34 | brah | project2501a: Thanks. I'll get on it. |
| 08:36.44 | project2501a | brah: you know about sid, right? |
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| 08:36.56 | project2501a | and you know about http://packages.debian.org ? |
| 08:37.03 | brah | Yes. I usually use testing, instaled stable just for the sake of it because it's a laptop. |
| 08:37.05 | Oak | project2501a, "No manual entry for apt-sources" and "No manual entry for apt.sources" |
| 08:37.16 | project2501a | ok! |
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| 08:38.03 | project2501a | Oak: my apologies, man sources.list |
| 08:38.10 | Oak | got it |
| 08:38.14 | Oak | thank you! |
| 08:38.34 | project2501a | Oak: also, you will want to remove the cd reference, then do a apt-get update, then do whatever you will |
| 08:38.40 | cantido | brah: I prefer testing for desktops and laptops tbh, its nice having newer software :) |
| 08:38.47 | project2501a | ^ |
| 08:39.03 | cantido | for machines that are doing a job stable all the way |
| 08:39.12 | geofridh | sid's been good on my laptop as well |
| 08:39.32 | geofridh | aside from the broken libpcre the other day |
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| 08:39.44 | brah | Plus I tend to have laptops on the road and explaining to people why my Debian looks different to theirs is sometimes awkward. |
| 08:39.47 | somiaj | cantido: I prefer sid as I don't like waiting around for fixes. (: |
| 08:39.57 | project2501a | oh yeah? |
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| 08:40.01 | cantido | somiaj: testing + sid pinned? ;) |
| 08:40.04 | project2501a | i shift my bits with magnets! |
| 08:40.22 | cantido | project2501a: I make my own core memory |
| 08:40.25 | colo-work | IF ONLY WE'VE HAD MAGNETS! |
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| 08:40.58 | project2501a | ok people settle down, enough with offtopic |
| 08:41.06 | project2501a | *serious face* |
| 08:41.18 | cantido | yeah don't have any fun you bastards |
| 08:41.23 | cantido | shakes fist |
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| 08:41.36 | colo-work | hehe |
| 08:41.38 | cantido | and get off my lawn |
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| 08:43.09 | ws2k3 | project i only need to send mails out. |
| 08:43.18 | ws2k3 | its for a webserver |
| 08:44.24 | cantido | ws2k3: do you have an upstream smtp server that the mail will get sent from? |
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| 08:44.58 | ws2k3 | i have an externel smtp server that it uses to send the mail yes |
| 08:45.13 | cantido | so you tell exim to relay to that server, done |
| 08:45.28 | ws2k3 | but the problem with nullmailer is that if a message is failed to deliver then it says trying |
| 08:45.49 | cantido | ws2k3: why not use exim? |
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| 08:46.18 | ws2k3 | can i configure that exis doesnt uses an externel smtp |
| 08:46.28 | cantido | nullmailer etc are only worth using if you really low on memory |
| 08:46.29 | ws2k3 | but it send it mail self |
| 08:46.42 | cantido | ws2k3: yes, exim can do that, it can login to the remote mail server etc too |
| 08:46.54 | Oak | thank you project2501a |
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| 08:47.26 | cantido | ws2k3: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config (i think) and tell it you want to send mail via a smarthost |
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| 08:48.34 | derebel | is there a simple CLI torrent client that can just download and seed for me, only one i found was torrentflux and im not installing mysql for that |
| 08:48.55 | cantido | derebel: I think there was one called rtorrent that had a curses interface |
| 08:49.07 | ws2k3 | does exim4 needs alot of ram ? |
| 08:49.47 | cantido | ws2k3: not really, more than nullmailer etc but exim is less of a pain and can do more .. there is a exim light package too |
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| 08:50.13 | cantido | last time I tried null mailer it couldnt login via tls etc |
| 08:50.18 | ws2k3 | true |
| 08:50.26 | ws2k3 | because i only have 37 mb lest |
| 08:50.27 | ws2k3 | ram |
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| 08:50.39 | cantido | 37mb of ram?! |
| 08:50.41 | ws2k3 | but its np if it swaps alot |
| 08:50.43 | ws2k3 | free yes |
| 08:50.48 | ws2k3 | it has 1 gb |
| 08:51.00 | ws2k3 | but i already have a apache2 and mysql server teamspeak server and some other things xD |
| 08:51.01 | cantido | ws2k3: most of it will be being used as disk cache.. |
| 08:51.26 | cantido | I would get some cheap ram though, it will improve things a lot for little money |
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| 08:51.54 | ws2k3 | i think i just gonna remove some services |
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| 08:52.29 | cantido | ws2k3: you can probably tweak your apache/mysql configs to squeeze a bit more free ram |
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| 08:53.44 | johnny53287 | ws2k3: good to have a swap partition, so oom isn't going to kill processes, but swapping is a performance killer, i would always avoid it, if possible |
| 08:54.25 | derebel | cantido, perfect, shoved it in screen and it will seed for me, i hate being a leech and running it from my desktop sucks |
| 08:54.27 | cantido | johnny53287: you can tweak the kernel to make it swap less.. |
| 08:55.18 | proute | Hello, I use Debian Lenny (I know, it's the old release) with lot of CPU VIA C7. This Debian release freeze (with the libc6) with VIA C7 CPU. I would lik known, before to upgrade Lenny to Squeeze, if someone has freeze with Debian Squeeze and via C7 processor? |
| 08:55.24 | proute | Thanks for your help |
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| 08:57.01 | johnny53287 | candito: yes, you can, but in my opinion, if a system is under "normal conditions" and it has to swap, is has to less ram |
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| 08:57.28 | ws2k3 | yeah i know |
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| 08:58.15 | cantido | ram is cheap ;) |
| 08:58.35 | ws2k3 | i know |
| 08:58.37 | ws2k3 | but its a vps |
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| 08:58.42 | ws2k3 | i rent it from a company |
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| 08:59.04 | cantido | ah, vps suck for memory |
| 08:59.13 | johnny53287 | i c |
| 08:59.15 | cantido | it costs more than a real machine would once you need a few gig |
| 08:59.44 | joltcan | ws2k3: http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/bootstraping-low-end-vps-with-pre-built-scripts/ |
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| 09:01.12 | gcbirzan_ | ws2k3: Most likely, you're just confused about how much free memory you have. |
| 09:01.54 | gcbirzan_ | Or, well, what free memory means. |
| 09:02.53 | nairb- | i fired up another ec2 instance with the same image and compared the rc scripts.... my hammering away at insserv didn't correctly fix everything, looks like all is back to normal now though. |
| 09:03.10 | gcbirzan_ | http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
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| 09:10.05 | ws2k3 | hmm |
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| 09:14.20 | LordDeath | when I change something in my cron.daily directory do I have to restart crond? |
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| 09:16.38 | mjt | crond will figure it out automatically |
| 09:16.55 | mjt | it will log the "reload" event too |
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| 09:17.11 | kripz | in compiz, what is the primary key? |
| 09:17.24 | nairb- | heh, etckeeper seems a bit silly. I could just as well have done git init in /etc/ ... seems that's all it does. |
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| 09:17.33 | LordDeath | mjt: in this case I have to look for an other error |
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| 09:18.10 | LordDeath | the never get a mail via the "00logwatch" task in /etc/cron.daily/ |
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| 09:18.43 | mjt | cron.daily (and .hourly .montly etc) are not processed by crond |
| 09:18.57 | mjt | these are run by run-parts from /etc/crontab |
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| 09:21.11 | ws2k3 | well because i run low on ram |
| 09:21.15 | ws2k3 | maby i can set a cronjob |
| 09:21.19 | ws2k3 | every 6 hours or so |
| 09:21.24 | ws2k3 | that emty's the queue |
| 09:21.36 | ws2k3 | then problem is solved to |
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| 09:21.43 | mjt | which queue? |
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| 09:21.47 | ws2k3 | of my nullmailer |
| 09:22.35 | mjt | i highly doubt it is worth "solving" |
| 09:23.03 | gcbirzan_ | seriously, how much RAM do you have? |
| 09:23.34 | LordDeath | mjt: the cron tasks are logged in /var/log/syslog, right? |
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| 09:24.05 | mjt | they're logged to /dev/log |
| 09:24.26 | mjt | what your syslogd does with that is another question |
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| 09:29.52 | ws2k3 | well then the cron is emtyed |
| 09:29.57 | ws2k3 | so uit doent spam the smtp |
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| 09:31.58 | ws2k3 | i have 1 gb ram |
| 09:32.11 | ws2k3 | and i run a apache2 mysql on it |
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| 09:34.50 | nairb- | hmm.... start-stop-daemon can't handle --chdir "~username" ? |
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| 09:36.21 | ChrisH | nairb-: ~username gets expanded by shell |
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| 09:37.09 | gcbirzan_ | Sigh. Silly Internet. |
| 09:37.13 | gcbirzan_ | ws2k3: That should be more than enough. Did you look at the website I posted? |
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| 09:39.34 | ws2k3 | yeah |
| 09:40.10 | carpediembaby | hi, i have to work with the debian packages but im not sure about the version numbers .. i understand the simple version numbers but am not sure about these two: 0.5.0-1.2, 1.5+E-18 . can someone please explain? |
| 09:40.54 | gcbirzan_ | ws2k3: Could you pastebin the output of free? |
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| 09:41.24 | gcbirzan_ | carpediembaby: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version |
| 09:43.05 | ws2k3 | http://pastebin.com/BU5pwhGa |
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| 09:43.56 | grifx | hello all |
| 09:44.14 | grifx | How can I mock a responce in json. How can I do that ? |
| 09:44.17 | gcbirzan_ | ws2k3: So you have, in fact, 650MB free. |
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| 09:44.33 | grifx | I'm on Debian |
| 09:45.43 | ChrisH | ws2k3: Given the free output I cannot see anything wrong. Your does his job and uses the RAM installed. |
| 09:46.04 | ws2k3 | i know |
| 09:47.16 | grifx | How can I mock a json object ? |
| 09:47.49 | gcbirzan_ | ws2k3: Then why are you worrying about memory? |
| 09:48.08 | gcbirzan_ | grifx: Um. You mean respond with json to some HTTP requests? |
| 09:48.26 | grifx | gcbirzan_: yes, i want to alterate data i send |
| 09:48.38 | sephii | grifx: I don't think you're on the right channel for such a question |
| 09:48.49 | grifx | it's not a hack |
| 09:49.04 | grifx | i try on js chromium firefox |
| 09:49.14 | grifx | nobody know |
| 09:49.26 | grifx | i think debian people are better |
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| 09:50.09 | grifx | gcbirzan_: YOu have an idea ? |
| 09:50.10 | sephii | grifx: there are extensions for this. check tamperdata on iceweasel for example. but again, this has nothing to do with debian |
| 09:50.18 | gcbirzan_ | grifx: Well, you need a webserver and some application to send those replies. |
| 09:50.23 | gcbirzan_ | s/send/generate/ |
| 09:50.34 | grifx | with temperdata i can edit json |
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| 09:52.31 | gcbirzan_ | grifx: As sephii said, though, not sure this is actually the proper forum to be asking in |
| 09:52.45 | grifx | gcbirzan_: can you tell me where to ask so |
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| 09:56.44 | NiLon | where you change default password algo for shadow file? |
| 09:59.07 | gcbirzan_ | NiLon: /etc/pam.d/ |
| 09:59.31 | gcbirzan_ | I think it's common-password |
| 10:00.23 | NiLon | it's just a bit confusing, I would still wanna use unix crypt, but with different algo |
| 10:00.37 | NiLon | that config file kind of says that if I change the default it's not using crypt anymore |
| 10:00.51 | NiLon | my biggest concern right there is that old passwords stop working |
| 10:01.03 | gcbirzan_ | Apparently, you should use pam-auth-update but no idea how to do that. |
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| 10:01.44 | NiLon | I will take a look |
| 10:01.49 | gcbirzan_ | NiLon: That's slightly misleading. It will still use crypt(3) |
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| 10:02.08 | nodiscc_netbook | g'day all, i'm looking for a way to run compiz on an ATI card *without* installing proprietary drivers. possible? |
| 10:02.34 | gcbirzan_ | NiLon: And pam_unix will recognize them, no matter the algorithm. |
| 10:03.18 | grifx | Can i edit the content of a request before send it ? when it's text i can do it, but it's json, i don't know how to do that |
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| 10:04.15 | gcbirzan_ | nodiscc_netbook: It depends on whether the open source one will work. :) |
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| 10:05.30 | nodiscc_netbook | gcbirzan_: erf... sadly when i run it on the free radeon driver, compiz exits saying "error: software rasterizer in use" |
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| 10:06.33 | zumph | i'm running low on space and can see that my /var/log directory is taking alot. how do i know what files i can delete? |
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| 10:07.44 | gcbirzan_ | nodiscc_netbook: What card do you have |
| 10:07.56 | gcbirzan_ | zumph: Well, it depends on which logs you want to keep :) |
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| 10:08.46 | zumph | ok, but if i for example want to delete mail.warn , will i get any errors then? |
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| 10:08.57 | gcbirzan_ | You will have to restart your syslogd |
| 10:08.59 | gcbirzan_ | but, yeah |
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| 10:09.29 | gcbirzan_ | (or, maybe. I am not sure nowadays since me and rsyslogd don't see eye to eye, but if it keeps the file open, then you have to restart it) |
| 10:10.07 | zumph | i have to restart the server? |
| 10:10.37 | zumph | and after that it will work fine? |
| 10:10.38 | gcbirzan_ | You don't even have to restart it, most likely. Just reload. /etc/init.d/syslogd reload, or /etc/init.d/rsyslogd reload |
| 10:10.48 | gcbirzan_ | And as I said, not even that might be needed. |
| 10:11.02 | zumph | but after that it will run without errors |
| 10:11.04 | gcbirzan_ | Another way would be to just zero the file, by running :>/var/log/mail.warn |
| 10:11.23 | zumph | that sounds like a plan |
| 10:12.26 | zumph | i was also thinking of saving logs on different partition. i can change the dir in webmin. can it be any complications with this? |
| 10:12.53 | gcbirzan_ | Hm, I'm not familiar with webmin, but not everything is using syslog so if it just changes that, not everything will be affected |
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| 10:13.03 | laurus | Why is there no libmagickwand3 in Wheezy? |
| 10:13.30 | gcbirzan_ | laurus: Because of magic elves. |
| 10:13.46 | nodiscc_netbook | gcbirzan_: GeForce 8600 GT PCIe |
| 10:14.11 | gcbirzan_ | Uh. |
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| 10:14.13 | laurus | gcbirzan_, is there a way to install the version from Debian Sid? |
| 10:14.23 | gcbirzan_ | nodiscc_netbook: Just sayin', that's an nvidia card, not an ati one. |
| 10:14.41 | gcbirzan_ | laurus: Yes. |
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| 10:14.52 | laurus | gcbirzan_, how? :) |
| 10:15.12 | nodiscc_netbook | gcbirzan_: whoops. Just switched card, sorry, yes that's an nvidia |
| 10:15.25 | gcbirzan_ | Hm, there used to be a doc on that. |
| 10:15.39 | gcbirzan_ | laurus: But, to get you started, look at http://serverfault.com/questions/22414/how-can-i-run-debian-stable-but-install-some-packages-from-testing |
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| 10:15.45 | laurus | Thank you gcbirzan_ |
| 10:15.51 | gcbirzan_ | nodiscc_netbook: And it won't work with the radeon driver, which is for ati cards :P |
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| 10:16.31 | gcbirzan_ | nodiscc_netbook: I don't think the nouveau driver supports all this fancy stuff, but I don't really know |
| 10:16.52 | laurus | gcbirzan_, should I wrote APT::Default-Release "testing"; instead? |
| 10:17.04 | gcbirzan_ | laurus: You should look at the answers below that |
| 10:17.09 | ragnar | hey, is there a way for me to know if bind9 is restricting forwarding for just the local network? |
| 10:17.13 | ragnar | I've got some openvpn tunnels |
| 10:17.28 | ragnar | and people on the other end cannot seem to be using the gateway as a forwarder, however, devices directly behind the gateway are able to |
| 10:17.31 | laurus | gcbirzan_, oh ok, thank you. |
| 10:17.33 | NiLon | it seems that in squeeze default algo is sha512 already, well that's good |
| 10:17.48 | nodiscc_netbook | gcbirzan_: yes yes sure, i mean i have the proprietary nvidia driver installed (nvidia-kernel-dkms and the glx driver) |
| 10:17.49 | gcbirzan_ | ragnar: it should be in your config |
| 10:18.00 | ragnar | gcbirzan_: I cannot find anything obvious about the restriction |
| 10:18.14 | gcbirzan_ | Hm. What do they get when they try to query it? |
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| 10:19.26 | gcbirzan_ | ragnar: if it's a bind config issue, you'll get a REFUSED answer, if it's a routing/whatever, it'll time out |
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| 10:19.53 | ragnar | it is a refused answer |
| 10:19.55 | diverdude | on a raspberry pi, running debian, how much RAM will debian use? |
| 10:20.26 | daemonkeeper | Everything. |
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| 10:20.47 | daemonkeeper | That's the point of it, isn't it? |
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| 10:20.47 | gcbirzan_ | no! I want my ram free! |
| 10:20.53 | diverdude | well i was considering running a program processing some images |
| 10:20.59 | ragnar | gcbirzan_: zones it has configured, it replies on, however, if its a forwarding thing, it says a refuse. |
| 10:21.00 | diverdude | but it will require some RAM |
| 10:21.11 | daemonkeeper | That's included by "RAM usage by Debian" |
| 10:21.14 | diverdude | but if debian uses everything i guess its not possible |
| 10:21.34 | gcbirzan_ | ragnar: yeah, give me a minute. |
| 10:21.46 | laurus | Is there a way to just download the .deb file from sid? |
| 10:21.51 | gcbirzan_ | yes |
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| 10:22.19 | laurus | I see on packages.debian.org a link to the "source package" |
| 10:22.42 | daemonkeeper | The whole point of an operating system is to manage all available memory. It does mean it will be used. If you really meant to ask "how much memory my idle Debian system will consume" the answer is: it depends. |
| 10:22.44 | laurus | gcbirzan_, where can I find the .deb itself? |
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| 10:23.40 | gcbirzan_ | laurus: packages.debian.org, but it seems that package isn't in sid eitehr |
| 10:24.07 | daemonkeeper | Which package? |
| 10:24.12 | laurus | libmagickcore5 and libmagickwand5 |
| 10:24.32 | gcbirzan_ | 13:13 < laurus> Why is there no libmagickwand3 in Wheezy? |
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| 10:25.01 | laurus | gcbirzan_, well, libmagickwand3 is in Sid anyway |
| 10:25.07 | laurus | But let's go with libmagickwand5 |
| 10:25.10 | gcbirzan_ | not for any arch you care about :P |
| 10:25.14 | laurus | Sorry for my error :P I am trying to install Emacs |
| 10:25.17 | gcbirzan_ | http://packages.debian.org/sid/libmagickwand5 go to the bottom, select your achitecture |
| 10:25.27 | laurus | gcbirzan_, hah! I see. |
| 10:25.49 | laurus | Fascinating. OK, so you download it from the bottom of the page. |
| 10:25.51 | laurus | Thanks! |
| 10:26.13 | ws2k3 | is it possible that debian send a mail when a raid change? |
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| 10:27.54 | ws2k3 | http://pastebin.com/2jYUjXGM |
| 10:28.22 | ragnar | gcbirzan_: I figured it out; allow-recursion was not set so therefore default, I fixed it by adding the subnets allowed. |
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| 10:30.37 | peterrooney | ws2k3: yes, it is possible. it is also usually desired. man mdadm & search for --mail |
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| 10:31.05 | laurus | gcbirzan_, thanks for the help. That fixed it. |
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| 10:42.08 | sunbeam | how can I create a file with an ftp client (windows) on an ftp server? |
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| 10:44.29 | nkuttler | sunbeam: you upload it.. |
| 10:44.56 | sunbeam | that takes a lot time for 100s of files - would mean you have to create them on windows and then upload which sucks |
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| 10:46.24 | sunbeam | Any ispconfig users in here? |
| 10:46.27 | dunib | I'm running testing, and apt broke on me earlier today. It complains of mergelists, even after I clear out /var/lib/apt/lists/ Is this a widespread problem, or am I just having trouble? |
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| 10:47.59 | themill | dunib: does this persist after running "apt-get update"? |
| 10:48.19 | dunib | themill: yes |
| 10:48.49 | themill | dunib: can you pastebin the output of "apt-get update" and a command that makes that warning? |
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| 10:49.19 | ws2k3 | is it possible that debian send a mail when a raid change? |
| 10:49.21 | ws2k3 | http://pastebin.com/2jYUjXGM |
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| 10:53.40 | ws2k3 | ? |
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| 10:54.21 | Iridos | ! |
| 10:54.24 | ws2k3 | can i savely upgrade to mysql 5.1 ? |
| 10:54.31 | ws2k3 | do i do to do anything special ? |
| 10:55.31 | jabot | ws2k3: http://www.google.com/search?q=mdadm+email+alerts |
| 10:55.37 | Iridos | "apt-cache show mpt-status"? |
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| 10:56.40 | jabot | ws2k3: updating mysql may be simple and may be complicated - it depends on your setup |
| 10:56.51 | dunib | themill: http://pastebin.com/93D3UfJ6 |
| 10:56.58 | Iridos | mysql-5.1 is in squeeze... |
| 10:57.07 | Iridos | judd, versions mysql-5.1 |
| 10:57.09 | judd | No package named 'mysql-5.1' was found in i386. |
| 10:57.29 | Iridos | what |
| 10:57.59 | Iridos | judd, versions mysql-server-5.1 |
| 10:58.01 | judd | Package: mysql-server-5.1 on i386 -- lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; squeeze-security: 5.1.61-0+squeeze1; sid: 5.1.61-2; wheezy: 5.1.61-2 |
| 10:59.51 | ws2k3 | i just have a mysql server running with some databased nothing special |
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| 11:02.52 | sunbeam | There is a user, which is created by ispconfig. The user is called web4. When I am root, and execute 'su web4' it doesn't give any error but I keep being root and not web4. Any idea what is wrong? |
| 11:03.16 | Iridos | nothing's wrong |
| 11:03.18 | daemonkeeper | Hopefully ispconfig didn't give him a login shell. |
| 11:03.25 | daemonkeeper | So yes, nothing is wrong. |
| 11:03.47 | themill | dunib: can you pastebin "head /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.iinet.net.au_debian_debian_dists_testing_main_i18n_Translation-en; md5sum /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.iinet.net.au_debian_debian_dists_testing_main_i18n_Translation-en; stat /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.iinet.net.au_debian_debian_dists_testing_main_i18n_Translation-en" for me? |
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| 11:06.14 | hlan | hello, I'm trying to build a php myself using this release: https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/php5/+packages so I can get 5.4 support. i need to build it myself so I can get symbols and backtrace a segfault |
| 11:06.26 | ws2k3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:07.24 | hlan | so I'm using apt-get source to get the source and it downloads a "php5_5.4.0.orig.tar.gz", however when I unpack it I can't find the "debian/rules" file which I need as there is a shitton of configure directives that need to be the same |
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| 11:07.43 | peterrooney | ws2k3: dpkg -L <package_name> |
| 11:07.50 | hlan | I'm not familiar with any debian standards at all so can someone instruct me on where to find the debian/rules file? |
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| 11:09.31 | Coweater | hlan: there should be a .debian.tar.gz file along with that |
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| 11:10.20 | ws2k3 | lol mdadm not installed |
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| 11:10.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | hlan: if you used apt-get source there will be a .dsc file too. run 'dpkg-source -x php_blah-blah.dsc' |
| 11:10.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | hlan: hten in the php-version directory there will be a debian dir |
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| 11:11.00 | phaidros | hi, trying to boot a system of usb hdd, I added usb-storage to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, but still, after grub loads, initrd fires up, and usb hdd could not be detected .. any hints? |
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| 11:11.35 | ws2k3 | its mpt-statusd that send the mail |
| 11:11.44 | ws2k3 | so how should i disable that ? |
| 11:11.46 | hlan | Kamping_Kaiser: yeah apt-get source failed with 404 previously for some reason but now it worked and unpacked and applied the diff correctly |
| 11:11.52 | hlan | so now I have a debian directory |
| 11:12.26 | phaidros | ws2k3: apt-get remove it, if you don't use it |
| 11:13.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | hlan: :) dch and debuild will be your friends while you work on that |
| 11:13.50 | ws2k3 | well i dont know what that exacly does |
| 11:13.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | hlan: and if you do revision control, that will as well |
| 11:14.09 | ws2k3 | i just dont want that it send any mails |
| 11:14.31 | Iridos | dpkg, tell hlan about build custom package |
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| 11:15.23 | themill | hlan: btw, is the php5-dbg package not enough? Also, why are you taking the PPA packages rather than the ones in Debian? |
| 11:15.38 | phaidros | ws2k3: find out with "aptitude search mpt-status" that it is probably related to something you don't use at all .. at least thats what I did |
| 11:16.01 | phaidros | ws2k3: and removed it (I had that annoying mails on some installs as well) |
| 11:16.06 | Iridos | hlan, hlan I more wonder about your launchpad source for the package... php5.4 is in wheezy, why don't you use that package... also what themill said - why compile yourself at all |
| 11:16.27 | Iridos | ws2k3, and looking at the config files for that daemon doesn't help? |
| 11:16.34 | phaidros | ws2k3: get RAID status out of mpt (and other) HW RAID controllers |
| 11:17.15 | phaidros | ws2k3: further, with "dpkg -L mpt-status" you can list all files related to that package, there is probably manpages and configfiles (/etc) worth a look at included |
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| 11:17.52 | phaidros | what modules are needed that initrd can use a rootfs from usb hd? |
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| 11:19.22 | hlan | themill, Iridos: that sounds like a great alternative. when I said that I was unfamiliar with debian I meant it. I have no idea what repositories there are. |
| 11:19.45 | hlan | hlan: is it possible to "use wheezy" in ubuntu? |
| 11:19.53 | themill | hlan: what release of debian are you currently running? (mixing different repositories isn't a good plan) |
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| 11:20.40 | hlan | themill: I'm running ubuntu Ubuntu 11.10 Oneiric |
| 11:20.43 | themill | hlan: if you're using ubuntu, then that PPA might be exactly what you want -- if you use ubuntu, then please seek support in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server as they know far more about their packages than we do |
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| 11:22.18 | hlan | themill: that PPA = ondrej/php5 ? |
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| 11:23.11 | themill | hlan: yes. /msg dpkg ppa |
| 11:23.34 | dunib | themill: well, that spazzed out my termina |
| 11:23.41 | dunib | themill: http://pastebin.com/3KtaQqPt |
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| 11:24.26 | themill | dunib: do you have the "bzip2" package installed? |
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| 11:29.03 | dunib | themill: I assumed so, since it's part of the base system, and I didn't remove anything? of course, I can't really check since apt is broken. I had a look under /usr/share/doc/ looking for a bzip entry, but didn't see one. |
| 11:29.52 | ws2k3 | how i get this email http://pastebin.com/aV9ir88B |
| 11:30.00 | Iridos | it's part of the base system? what gave you that idea? |
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| 11:31.09 | themill | dunib: if you just rm that Translation file and then *don't* apt-get update, you'll be able to "apt-get install bzip2" |
| 11:31.31 | dunib | Iridos: because it's ... used for bzipping things. surely that'd be part of a default install? |
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| 11:32.09 | Iridos | dunib, apt-cache show bzip2 says "Priority: optional" ... I don't see that that translates as "is part of base install" |
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| 11:33.06 | Iridos | of course I might be wrong... who knows what the installer installs as part of what task |
| 11:33.11 | themill | dunib: debian tries to keep the base install relatively minimal so that you can then add to it what you need and it can then be used on minimal hardware. It's a difficult balance... half the people coming in here are surprised that tools like bzip2 are not "default" and half think that the existing base install contains too much. |
| 11:33.38 | themill | !dbugs 657560 |
| 11:33.42 | dpkg | DONE:#657560:S[apt] apt-get errors out when unable to uncompress a Translation-fr.bz2 file due to missing bzip2 (); Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:12:01 UTC [] |
| 11:34.14 | themill | (fixed in experimental; will be moved to unstable quite soon) |
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| 11:35.34 | Iridos | themill, you could make part of that sentence into a "base install" factoid that we don't seem to have |
| 11:35.37 | dunib | when I say base; I meant base + standard utils. |
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| 11:36.30 | themill | Iridos: yes, you could ;) |
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| 11:36.48 | dunib | and apt is now fixed. thanks everyone :D |
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| 11:37.05 | Iridos | themill, nah... you said it so nicely... I could never fill in the missing bits about install size etc. as well as you just demonstrated you can do ;) |
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| 11:40.44 | lidenbrock | hi. My Debian always ask me to put my cdrom on my disk. What do I have to do to make it doesn't request it anymore? |
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| 11:42.49 | daemonkeeper | Remove the CD image entry from your sources.list if you're using a network mirror. |
| 11:42.49 | Mkaysi | Comment cdrom entry in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:42.57 | lidenbrock | k |
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| 11:44.24 | lidenbrock | thanks |
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| 11:45.40 | Mkaysi | You're welcome :) |
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| 11:55.44 | slikts | what's a good way to keep a system automatically updated? cron-apt? |
| 11:56.17 | digdilem_ | hehe, danger! |
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| 11:57.07 | NiLon | slikts you don't wanna that |
| 11:57.16 | digdilem_ | slikts, I've used normal cron and apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, but I don't do that any more since sometimes things go wrong |
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| 11:57.28 | digdilem_ | now I use cron to send me an email now and then to remind me to do it manually |
| 11:57.42 | slikts | I've never had things go wrong with just upgrading |
| 11:57.49 | digdilem_ | Good for you! |
| 11:58.11 | slikts | and I know there are other people like that |
| 11:58.12 | NiLon | your house have never burned so it won't? |
| 11:58.23 | Iridos | and I wouldn't do it automatically if you want it to remain that way :P |
| 11:58.25 | NiLon | don't be fool and follow foolish people |
| 11:58.38 | sephii | use apt-listchanges to notify you via mail when updates are available |
| 11:59.04 | slikts | NiLon: that's a stupid analogy, because a house burning down is much worse than a server breaking |
| 11:59.16 | NiLon | are you sure? |
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| 11:59.37 | themill | slikts: using cron-apt to do the "update" and "download" stages is quite sensible. I normally want to review and test changes before installing them. |
| 11:59.48 | digdilem_ | slikts, if you want to do it, go ahead. It's your server. But we have warned you that many people have had things go wrong and it's not considered good practice for that reason |
| 11:59.51 | NiLon | what if it's the server that keeps million people alive by controlling somekind venting system? |
| 11:59.56 | slikts | themill: how do you review and test changes from upgrades? |
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| 12:00.26 | slikts | NiLon: the servers I have aren't like that |
| 12:00.29 | digdilem_ | I've had ssh break completely, but because I was still logged in I was able to recover manually. (Whilst hoping I didn't lose the connection) |
| 12:00.41 | NiLon | slikts but point here is that it could break, you have no guarantee that it won't |
| 12:00.49 | slikts | digdilem_: was it because of an openssh upgrade? |
| 12:01.06 | themill | slikts: apt-listchanges can tell me about what has changed (/msg dpkg apt-listchanges). I can test it out on one machine or in a VM and if a problem is found it hasn't automatically propagated to lots of different machines. |
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| 12:01.16 | digdilem_ | slikts, definitely an upgrade started manually, I forget if it was openssh or its predecessor |
| 12:01.37 | slikts | I'll eat my hat if openssh ever breaks because of upgrading |
| 12:01.59 | digdilem_ | ignore our experience and crack on then. Just pop back in to report what it tastes like |
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| 12:03.05 | slikts | themill: do you test everything manually? like connect to servers etc? |
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| 12:03.48 | slikts | having a VM to test upgrades sounds very sensible, but it would be a chore to test everything manually |
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| 12:04.40 | themill | slikts: we're talking about 1 or 2 new packages every couple of weeks here. |
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| 12:05.11 | slikts | okay |
| 12:06.13 | digdilem_ | isn't one of the major points about running debian, and stable in particular, is that security vulns are relatively rare (some well documented exceptions!) so the need for upgrading for security is smaller than with most distros? |
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| 12:07.31 | themill | digdilem_: sort of,... the frequency of vulns should be the same, but the idea is that you get a backported security fix that hopefully only fixes the problem without breaking everything else for you (integration with other packages and config files should all be the same) |
| 12:08.42 | digdilem_ | but that risk of some breakage, although lesser than testing or unstable, does underline the benefits of not automating updates (imo, obviously not a global opinion) |
| 12:08.44 | themill | this isn't always the case though... the last 3 DSAs have been to fix regressions in previous security updates, and there have been screwed up cvs and git security updates in the last couple of years. And istr plenty of messed up samba updates. |
| 12:08.54 | digdilem_ | ah |
| 12:09.11 | themill | digdilem_: sure. Hopefully better behaved and better tested and minimal changes gives confidence. |
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| 12:12.38 | guardian | pretty please debian ftp masters, accept php5.4 in squeeze backports |
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| 12:15.29 | daenney | anyone got an idea why Debian says: invoke-rc.d ssh restart denied by policy-rc.d? |
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| 12:16.03 | themill | daenney: are you running inside a chroot? |
| 12:16.09 | themill | !policy-rc.d |
| 12:16.09 | dpkg | [policy-rc.d] a mechanism which allows you to prevent certain init scripts from being run. See http://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt and <invoke-rc.d>. To disable all daemon starts and stops during package installation, use http://paste.debian.net/157067/, but note that would have consequences that you probably don't like, so tailoring it to your needs to only skip certain daemons would be advised. |
| 12:16.15 | daenney | themill: I hope not |
| 12:17.04 | daenney | that system just booted from a fresh install |
| 12:17.58 | themill | daenney: can you pastebin the contents of /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d |
| 12:18.36 | daenney | I'll see if I can get it on a stick or something, since I can't access it remotely |
| 12:19.43 | themill | daenney: you can run "/etc/init.d/ssh start" to bypass the policy-rc.d mechanism temporarily |
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| 12:23.09 | daenney | themill: #!/bin/sh exit 101 |
| 12:23.32 | daenney | themill: and that's all |
| 12:23.52 | themill | daenney: heh... that shouldn't really be there. Move it out of the way for posterity.... which installer did you use? |
| 12:24.07 | daenney | the firmware-6.0.4 |
| 12:24.20 | daenney | since I needed that one to get the HP's to be able to do anything with their network |
| 12:25.00 | themill | I've never heard of that sort of thing being left behind. |
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| 12:27.24 | themill | daenney: once you're able to get onto the machine easily enough, have a look at the installer logs to see if debootstrap crashed in some odd way. I can't imagine how/what/why but I'm curious... |
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| 12:27.45 | daenney | themill: me neither... and now I'm at "Warning Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing" |
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| 12:28.21 | themill | :( |
| 12:28.57 | daenney | something definetly went wrong during installation |
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| 12:30.01 | daenney | lets reinstall dpkg see what happens |
| 12:30.31 | themill | it's likely that s-s-d has been diverted by the installer and that was not undone. reinstalling dpkg won't change that |
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| 12:32.01 | themill | daenney: (look at "dpkg-divert --list" to see what) |
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| 12:34.09 | daenney | w00t, dpkg --reinstall fixed it, now the system starts normally |
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| 12:35.16 | themill | daenney: \o/ have a look through the list of diversions to make sure there's nothing weird there. A glance through what /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/squeeze is doing might help too to make sure that all is well. I'd be tempted to run debsums on it to make sure that files are where they should be. |
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| 12:35.29 | themill | (and look through the installer log) |
| 12:36.07 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:36.09 | daenney | diversions looks fine now |
| 12:36.11 | daenney | running debsums |
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| 12:38.30 | daenney | debsums says everything is a-okay |
| 12:38.34 | daenney | thanks themill :) |
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| 12:39.32 | themill | excellent. If you can see in your installation log what went wrong, it would be worth filing an installation report |
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| 12:42.53 | ALboroisie | hello, is someone using webmoney? |
| 12:44.53 | ws2k3 | how should i remove everything inside the directory test rm test/test * ? |
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| 12:54.33 | sephii | is there a way to find out which process is currently using a kernel module? |
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| 13:03.39 | johnny53287 | sephii: as far as i know, there is no direct way to find out |
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| 13:07.50 | colo-work | how/where can I get up to date iceweasel packages for the armel architecture? |
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| 13:07.53 | sephii | the led of my integrated webcam is turned on, which is quite strange because I don't have any program that should be using it right now... |
| 13:07.57 | colo-work | (for Squeeze, I might add) |
| 13:08.28 | gcbirzan_ | sephii: Try playing with lsof |
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| 13:09.14 | sephii | gcbirzan_: I don't know which device it is, but I just found out that it was a stale xscreensaver process. I killed it and it turned off |
| 13:09.16 | johnny53287 | are you able to unload the kernel module of the webcam? |
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| 13:10.58 | sephii | johnny53287: nope I wasn't because the module was in use |
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| 13:14.06 | gcbirzan_ | it's, um |
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| 13:14.57 | gcbirzan_ | /dev/videoX, I think |
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| 13:18.50 | johnny53287 | what about "fuser /dev/videoX" ? |
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| 13:22.07 | gcbirzan_ | Same thing, really |
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| 13:28.15 | SteffenP | hi all, |
| 13:28.57 | SteffenP | one question, how can i reinstall the old alsa mixer for gnome? alsamixergui gives me strange errors and not all options.. |
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| 13:30.46 | nkuttler | SteffenP: how did you remove it? |
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| 13:32.11 | SteffenP | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ;) |
| 13:32.21 | SteffenP | and now i have only the pulse audio mixer.. |
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| 13:32.36 | SteffenP | since i do not use pulse audio... |
| 13:33.57 | SteffenP | i found out that it is included in xfce4-mixer now.. but this mixer needs some libs i do not wanna install just for amixer... to there has to be somewhere the mixer alone... |
| 13:34.43 | ws2k3 | awesome somebody adviced me to remove mpt-statusd now my server went down. and it aint booting anymore. |
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| 13:36.24 | tarvid | will an Intel Pentium 4 640 run the AMD64 images? |
| 13:36.31 | dvs | no |
| 13:37.07 | tarvid | which should I download? |
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| 13:37.18 | colo-work | are you sure? there are Pentium 4 CPUs in the wild that do support long mode. |
| 13:37.40 | colo-work | and turns out it does: http://ark.intel.com/products/27480/Intel-Pentium-4-Processor-640-supporting-HT-Technology-%282M-Cache-3_20-GHz-800-MHz-FSB%29 |
| 13:37.41 | tarvid | looking at /proc/cpu |
| 13:38.01 | colo-work | tarvid, just go for the AMD64 image. |
| 13:38.01 | dvs | tarvid: oh wait, it does! |
| 13:38.04 | colo-work | it'll be fine. |
| 13:38.42 | tarvid | like this http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 13:39.05 | colo-work | why 6.0.0 though? |
| 13:39.11 | colo-work | there are updates ISOs out there. |
| 13:39.37 | tarvid | looking for a quick test of networking on this box D945GTP |
| 13:39.59 | tarvid | then a server install |
| 13:40.58 | tarvid | like this one http://mirror.yellowfiber.net/debian-cd/6.0.4/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 13:41.22 | XonXor17 | Those anyone know what gnome version will wheezy have? |
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| 13:42.03 | ws2k3 | my debian server just cracked |
| 13:42.12 | ws2k3 | crached it aint booting anymore |
| 13:42.55 | ws2k3 | a guy from the hosting company says he booted my server in live so i can make backups but he says i need to mount my hard disk first ? |
| 13:43.03 | raviks | XonXor17: i think third version |
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| 13:43.39 | XonXor17 | raviks: Thanks |
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| 13:45.46 | fairuz | at boot, I've seen some errors on stale nfs file handle and also cleanboot /var/run failed. Any idea how to fix this? I suspect that this is because of unclean shutdown. |
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| 13:48.51 | ws2k3 | if i wanne backup my mysql server |
| 13:48.56 | ws2k3 | whish files should i download ? |
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| 13:53.49 | mekeor | (how) can i change my input method to (La)TeX-style (with SCIM?) ? |
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| 13:55.25 | rocketmagnet | hi all, what's the command to set file-associations ? so i can set for example the default browser used ? |
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| 13:56.47 | gcbirzan_ | rocketmagnet: You can set the default browser globally with update-alternatives |
| 13:56.58 | gcbirzan_ | I'm not sure if there's a way to do that on a per user basis |
| 13:57.33 | mekeor | rocketmagnet: http://wiki.debian.org/HOWTO/DefaultWebBrowser |
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| 14:00.18 | mekeor | rocketmagnet: if you wanna set file-associations generally, you are certainly using a GUI. (i mean, there are no default file-associations in the terminal, right?) in gnome, you can set file-associations with nautilus, in KDE with dolphin and in xfce with tunar, usually. (right-click on the file and choose settings or something...) |
| 14:01.37 | gcbirzan_ | well. you can use binfmt :P |
| 14:02.04 | rocketmagnet | mekeor: i'm using gnome, do you know the file where all the file associations are stored ? |
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| 14:02.43 | mekeor | rocketmagnet: no, i don't. |
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| 14:07.34 | rocketmagnet | thanks for your support guys, see ya |
| 14:07.39 | tarvid | in need of talk therapy |
| 14:07.57 | tarvid | new machine will not connect to cox static ips |
| 14:08.03 | tarvid | laptop will |
| 14:08.22 | tarvid | will connect to router |
| 14:08.42 | mekeor | tarvid: just sell your new machine and buy a new one then. |
| 14:08.58 | tarvid | sounds like good advice |
| 14:09.22 | tarvid | the lady who gave me this machine said it was free as in free cats |
| 14:09.24 | mekeor | it doesn't only sound like a good advice; in fact, it actually IS one… |
| 14:09.29 | tarvid | overheated |
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| 14:09.33 | rajkosto | is it squeeze-updates |
| 14:09.35 | rajkosto | or squeeze/updates |
| 14:09.40 | rajkosto | in sources.list |
| 14:09.48 | tarvid | fixed with massive cooler |
| 14:09.53 | petemc | rajkosto: squeeze-updates |
| 14:10.09 | rajkosto | same for wheezy ? |
| 14:10.13 | tarvid | but mobo and/or cpu is probably bad |
| 14:10.51 | tarvid | thanks |
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| 14:16.53 | rajkosto | petemc, you are wrong |
| 14:16.53 | rajkosto | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 14:18.24 | Arafangion | Wow, I have _zero_ downstream power on my ADSL line. |
| 14:18.25 | Arafangion | I'm amazed that freenode is still connected! |
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| 14:21.37 | masterkiller | Hello, how do i reinstall just the config files for a package? (apache2) |
| 14:21.50 | rajkosto | Arafangion, 0dBmV means theres 1mV on the line |
| 14:22.11 | Arafangion | rajkosto: Barely anything. |
| 14:22.19 | rajkosto | doesnt matter |
| 14:22.32 | rajkosto | my cable is at -7 or something now |
| 14:22.32 | dvs | !tell masterkiller about confmiss |
| 14:22.51 | Arafangion | rajkosto: Interesting, but regardless, I have a LOT of errors. |
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| 14:23.48 | rajkosto | the scale is logarithmic too |
| 14:23.57 | rajkosto | enjoy your errors |
| 14:24.00 | Arafangion | rajkosto: But I guess it's not because of the 0.0dBm. |
| 14:24.07 | rajkosto | your snr is probably crap |
| 14:24.35 | Arafangion | rajkosto: Probably. Coincided with seeing someone do work on the line. |
| 14:24.36 | Malvok | masterkiller, apt-get install --reinstall apache2? |
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| 14:25.44 | masterkiller | dvs: thanks |
| 14:25.48 | dvs | np |
| 14:26.01 | Arafangion | rajkosto: By contrast, my upstream is at 12.8dBm. |
| 14:26.22 | rajkosto | thats the transmit level |
| 14:26.29 | rajkosto | it will get attenuated to about 0 at the DSLAM |
| 14:26.36 | rajkosto | 0 is the optimal power level |
| 14:27.16 | Arafangion | Makes sense, but regardless, the line has gone up and down... 86 times. |
| 14:27.17 | homes | damn debian users, knowing stuff |
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| 14:28.00 | Arafangion | Oh, there he goes! |
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| 14:32.40 | rajkosto | whats the FASTEST way to move all my stuff to another computer |
| 14:32.44 | rajkosto | same debian version |
| 14:32.54 | rajkosto | different hdd, network config of course |
| 14:32.55 | Arafangion | rajkosto: Some people say rsync. |
| 14:33.08 | rajkosto | no i mean |
| 14:33.10 | rajkosto | its a server |
| 14:33.15 | rajkosto | stuff needs to be almost identical |
| 14:33.28 | Arafangion | I'd still say rsync. |
| 14:33.41 | dvs | or partimage |
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| 14:33.59 | dvs | but rsync would be my first choice |
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| 14:34.44 | rajkosto | also |
| 14:34.48 | Arafangion | I suppose tar + netcat might be faster... But not worth the bother. |
| 14:34.49 | rajkosto | one of them is i386 |
| 14:34.51 | rajkosto | the other is amd64 |
| 14:34.57 | rajkosto | both wheezy tho |
| 14:35.05 | rajkosto | so reinstall all packages |
| 14:35.14 | rajkosto | overwrite /etc /home /root /var ? |
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| 14:35.24 | Iridos | if this is a quiz... can we have some kinda multiple choice? |
| 14:35.29 | Arafangion | rajkosto: dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections? |
| 14:35.50 | petemc | !tell rajkosto about squeeze-updates |
| 14:36.33 | petemc | before you go telling someone they're wrong, make sure you know what you're talking about |
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| 14:37.28 | rajkosto | you could have said squeeze/updates for security, squeeze-updates for stableupdates |
| 14:37.49 | petemc | or i could have ignored you, which i should have done |
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| 14:39.17 | Iridos | it was a genius-move, though, to rename stuff so that there's both squeeze-updates and squeeze/updates and that they're totally different things... |
| 14:39.26 | Iridos | that'll provide hours and hours of fun |
| 14:39.47 | rajkosto | Iridos, theyre in different repos |
| 14:39.54 | rajkosto | so squeeze-updates on security gave me a 404 atleast |
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| 14:40.41 | Iridos | I mean there was nuffin wrong with "volatile" that the recent rename wouldn't have made worse |
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| 14:41.22 | XonXor17 | Is there a way to synchronise Tomboy notes using Ubuntu One on debian? |
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| 14:42.48 | Iridos | who's dis tomboy |
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| 14:43.30 | XonXor17 | Its a note taking app |
| 14:43.36 | Iridos | judd, versions tomboy |
| 14:43.38 | judd | Package: tomboy on i386 -- lenny: 0.10.2-1; squeeze: 1.2.2-2; wheezy: 1.8.3-2; sid: 1.10.0-1 |
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| 14:54.30 | zykotick9 | my auth.log has a large number of "pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0)" followed by "pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user root". I don't actually have any cron jobs for root (or any other user for that matter). /etc/crontab contains the line "17 * * * * root cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly". but /etc/cron.hourly is empty. What is this run-par |
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| 14:54.36 | zykotick9 | ts? More importantly, what is the implication of commenting it out of /etc/crontab? |
| 14:54.53 | kenifanying | hi all, my system is debian squeeze, i have installed libav-tools from backports. I try to convert my video to mp4 format via vlc, but i get some errors, see http://paste.debian.net/161900/ , any suggestion? |
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| 14:57.07 | Iridos | zykotick9, well... "man run-parts" ... and some programs are automatically set up by the package to run hourly/daily/weekly/monthly and they have their scripts in /etc/cron.* (some with specific times have one in /etc/cron.d) |
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| 14:58.03 | Iridos | kenifanying, install x264 ? |
| 14:58.40 | kenifanying | Iridos, I have installed x264 |
| 14:58.43 | zykotick9 | Iridos: ahhh, so run-parts is looking in the hourly directory for cron stuff to run - that makes sense. Thanks, another issue solved in moments with the help of "man topic" ;) |
| 14:59.55 | Iridos | kenifanying, I use for the video stream something like (i=filename) mplayer -nosound -benchmark -sws 9 -vo yuv4mpeg:file=>(x264 --demuxer y4m --crf 23 --preset slow --profile baseline --level 30 --vbv-bufsize 10000 --vbv-maxrate 10000 --threads auto --output v-"$i".264 - 2>>x264a.log) $i |
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| 15:00.25 | kenifanying | Iridos, thanks, i will try it |
| 15:00.29 | Iridos | then merge with the audio stream with MP4box.. like MP4Box -fps 30 -add v-MVI_3928.AVI.264 sound.mp4 |
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| 15:01.16 | Iridos | kenifanying, needs mplayer, x264 and gpac from either debian-multimedia or backported from wheezy into squeeze |
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| 15:02.01 | Iridos | judd, versions gpac |
| 15:02.02 | judd | Package: gpac on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 0.4.4.svn20080612-0.1lenny1; sid: 0.4.5+svn3462~dfsg0-1; wheezy: 0.4.5+svn3462~dfsg0-1; experimental: 0.4.5+svn3950~dfsg0-1; squeeze-multimedia: 0.4.6~svn20101218-0.0; wheezy-multimedia: 1:0.4.6~svn20120228-0.0; sid-multimedia: 1:0.4.6~svn20120330-0.0 |
| 15:02.15 | Iridos | dpkg, dmm |
| 15:02.15 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
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| 15:03.22 | kenifanying | Iridos, I have purged all debian multimedia packages, because recently update broken my vlc. |
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| 15:05.21 | kenifanying | Iridos, it seems that ffmeg/libav-tools from backports is support x264 now, but i don't know why vlc still can't convert video to mp4 format, sorry for my english |
| 15:05.25 | Iridos | as I said... either from dmm or need to backport yourself from wheezy... or find a different way to add audio back in |
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| 15:26.51 | nezzario | is there any kind of package for debian that installs a firewall+web gui ? |
| 15:27.19 | nezzario | basically I just need a firewall .. that has an easy to use web gui .. that can block all http traffic except for specifically allowed websites |
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| 15:27.48 | acu | hey guys I run Debian Wheezy - and tried to install Drupal 7 - however I get an error due to php 5.4 and someone has a patch - but I do not know how to run it - can anyone tell me what to do ? Here is the patch -- https://drupal.org/files/1414412-27_0.patch |
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| 15:28.40 | karont | hi |
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| 15:29.01 | nezzario | acu: man patch |
| 15:29.11 | nezzario | you need to file that run the diff against it |
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| 15:39.42 | tsar | I've got a bunch of strange bugs after upgrading to wheezy. First of all, half of my apps don't use the GTK theme i've set in XFCE settings (including edit, kate, synaptic, gnome system monitor). The other ones look okay (gajim, transmission, all xfce apps). |
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| 15:41.04 | trump | i see alot of stuff about access windows based files on debian but wat about allowing the office win based systems to access the files on the debian box? |
| 15:41.34 | petemc | samba? |
| 15:41.44 | ed8_ | hi, I have an apps on a server which run with it's own user, says appUser. I need to give access to the customer to only one folder, how should I do that ? |
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| 15:42.04 | ed8_ | the customer access trhought ssh only |
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| 15:42.13 | ed8_ | can I use a mount --bind ? |
| 15:42.38 | kesroesweyth | ed8 > chroot |
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| 15:43.38 | ed8_ | kesroesweyth: any tutorial ? |
| 15:44.01 | kesroesweyth | ed8_ > here's one that I have bookmarked. it may not be exactly what you need, but give you an idea of something that may work for you |
| 15:44.05 | kesroesweyth | http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/chroot-users-with-openssh-an-easier-way-to-confine-users-to-their-home-directories/229 |
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| 15:44.24 | kesroesweyth | i use it for sftp users and disable shell access. |
| 15:44.26 | ed8_ | kesroesweyth: thanks |
| 15:44.51 | kesroesweyth | the bind option works well with this too, if you want to chroot them to a dir in their home folder, then bind that dir with another on the system |
| 15:45.08 | kesroesweyth | in mount, that is. |
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| 16:08.31 | Mohsen_Hassani | I need to run some applications like guake, rhythmbox ... when the gnome starts up! |
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| 16:11.19 | valdyn | Mohsen_Hassani: run "gnome-session-properties" |
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| 16:12.12 | Mohsen_Hassani | valdyn, I get an error: g_dbus_connection_real_closed: Remote peer vanished with error: Underlying GIOStream returned 0 bytes on an async read (g-io-error-quark, 0). Exiting. |
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| 16:12.24 | SuperNull | Hey guys SSH question.. can i use the same key for all servers ? |
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| 16:13.45 | mjt | the same _server_ key? |
| 16:14.15 | valdyn | SuperNull: what would be the benefit of that? |
| 16:14.45 | Mohsen_Hassani | valdyn, Thank you! :) I was looking for something like this! And the error was because I was running the command with root account. |
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| 16:18.54 | bitHipy | SuperNull: yes, keys can be copied and used by many |
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| 16:21.17 | bitHipy | folks-- i cannot do squeeze. I need something else. I'm thinking wheezy.. something not obsolete, but far from squeeze |
| 16:21.36 | bitHipy | i'm a bit leary of just grabbing the daily build though |
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| 16:22.18 | bitHipy | what do sane people do in this case? |
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| 16:24.04 | bitHipy | what if someone screwed up the April 3rd version of debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso ? How would I know? |
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| 16:25.26 | valdyn | bitHipy: sane people dont try daily builds |
| 16:27.18 | bitHipy | valdyn: since the "stable" release is unstable, how do I get my hands on a pseudo-quasi-stable version of the next release? |
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| 16:28.01 | valdyn | bitHipy: uh? stable unstable? |
| 16:28.10 | valdyn | bitHipy: unstable is certainly not stable. |
| 16:28.34 | valdyn | bitHipy: theres no pseudo-quasi-stable version of the next release |
| 16:28.48 | guardian | http://backports-master.debian.org/dak/new.html <— what do you think prevents php5.4 to be processed in squeeze backports? |
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| 16:30.52 | bitHipy | i hate to leave debian, but it seems there's no reasonable path to staying with debian |
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| 16:32.42 | dondelelcaro | bitHipy: so why don't you install using the stable installer and upgrade? or use backports? |
| 16:32.58 | dondelelcaro | but if you want to use something else, feel free to do so. |
| 16:33.59 | bitHipy | dondelelcaro: i'm not quite sure what you're suggesting. Are you saying I install squeeze, and then do a dist-upgrade? won't that just bring me to the daily build? |
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| 16:35.06 | themill | bitHipy: daily build of installer != daily install of testing |
| 16:35.15 | nkuttler | bitHipy: the testing installer is for testing the installer, not installing testing |
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| 16:35.51 | themill | bitHipy: you ended up using the testing version of the installer (which could easily be broken on any given day) to install. The installer can be broken while what it is installing is not broken. |
| 16:36.06 | dondelelcaro | bitHipy: yes, or use backports for whatever packages you feel aren't new enough for you |
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| 16:39.52 | bitHipy | dondelelcaro: i'm not sure where the nasty bug is in squeeze that brings down the kernel, so cherry picking with backports won't be practical. But I'm thinking i'll do another squeeze netinst quickly followed by a dist-upgrade.. I'm just not quite sure what I end up running in that case |
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| 16:41.15 | somiaj | bitHipy: what bug? Why isn't the kernel working? Have you tried a newer kernel from backports? |
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| 16:42.35 | bitHipy | somiaj: i didn't try anything after the crashes -- I went back immediately to Etch. The kernel crashing does not mean the kernel itself is where the bug is -- anything running in the kernel space (like a driver) can have the bug |
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| 16:43.32 | somiaj | well if you had to goto etch to get something to work, seems less likely that even newer kernel will fix the issue. |
| 16:43.35 | tremon | has the bug about once every two weeks |
| 16:43.45 | bitHipy | 2 crashes happened while running iceweasel, and one crash happened while running gpg |
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| 16:45.02 | bitHipy | somiaj: indeed, but there aren't many options here. i'm losing ability to interface with others on the net as my installation ages |
| 16:45.03 | JJCale | hi all |
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| 16:46.16 | bitHipy | web pages are often broken (web developers are foolish and have no consideration for non-bleeding edge software), and vpn things are broken, among other things, because i'm getting so out of date |
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| 16:49.32 | somiaj | bitHipy: did lenny work on your system? |
| 16:49.46 | bitHipy | somiaj: i never tried lenny |
| 16:50.10 | nkuttler | bitHipy: what happens when your box 'crashes'? |
| 16:50.12 | somiaj | bitHipy: well it just went out of support, but was wondering if the addition of udev in squeeze could be were the issue is. |
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| 16:50.36 | somiaj | It could be you have slightly bad hardware that somehow udev or something else in the newer kernels cause to panic. |
| 16:50.47 | nkuttler | ^^++ |
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| 16:51.15 | bitHipy | nkuttler: crash probably isn't the right term.. it does an immediate graceful shutdown -- as if a "shutdown -h now" were executed in the background |
| 16:51.28 | somiaj | bitHipy: is this a laptop? |
| 16:51.41 | nkuttler | bitHipy: that's odd.. i'd expect something to show up in the logs |
| 16:51.52 | bitHipy | somiaj: it's a Thinkpad t61 (the one that came with Suse on it from the factory) |
| 16:52.16 | somiaj | well if it is actually doing a graceful shutdown, something is triggering the shutdown, I wonder if it is an acpi issue |
| 16:52.28 | somiaj | logs would be very useful to see if that is the case. |
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| 16:53.44 | bitHipy | i just flashed the bios today, so maybe squeeze will work now |
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| 16:54.47 | bitHipy | i know the bios upgrade affected power management in some way, because now when I close the lid with things still running, i get a "suspend failed" message (in etch) |
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| 16:55.02 | bitHipy | maybe it's a good thing |
| 16:55.24 | somiaj | bitHipy: another suggestion is I wouldn't install a full desktop enviorment from the start |
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| 16:56.04 | somiaj | bitHipy: just install a minimal system, and see if you can get the acpi working correctly (buttons triggering causing suspends/shutdowns). It could be some of the more automatic features of a full gnome desktop causing issues too. |
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| 16:58.22 | tremon | hmm how about 1) trying a squeeze livecd 2) disabling the battery module |
| 16:58.35 | ws2k3 | which one is live sites-eavailable or sites-enabled ? |
| 16:58.56 | robokop | ws2k3: sites-enabled |
| 16:58.59 | Sevet | enabled, it contains symlinks to files in sites-available |
| 16:59.04 | Sevet | ditto for mods-* |
| 16:59.12 | daemonkeeper | ... and that's clearly documented in README.Debian |
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| 16:59.27 | bitHipy | tremon: will do. seems easy enough |
| 16:59.38 | rocketmagnet | hi all, are there log files that shows me which applications have been started and when they have been killed ? |
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| 17:00.05 | bitHipy | if that fails, i'll do a minimal netinst, immediately followed by a dist-upgrade, then gradual install of desktop |
| 17:00.22 | rocketmagnet | my vlc for example just get closed and i get no error message nor any message in /var/log/messages |
| 17:00.50 | rocketmagnet | does someone know what log file is what i'm searching for ? |
| 17:01.30 | tremon | rocketmagnet: if it crashed, keyword is coredump |
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| 17:03.03 | somiaj | bitHipy: your issues don't seem like upgrading to wheezy will fix them, it seems like something is messing with your acpi/apm on that laptop. I doubt newer versions will be an issue -- I would try backports before upgrading to wheezy (adding even more possible bugs) |
| 17:03.04 | peterrooney | rocketmagnet: and for regular error messages, check ~/.xsession-errorrs |
| 17:03.34 | rocketmagnet | peterrooney: and what if i got hacked and the attacker just closed the app normaly ? |
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| 17:03.51 | rocketmagnet | isn't there a history for all the commands that gets entered |
| 17:03.53 | rocketmagnet | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:04.02 | bitHipy | how can the "live DVD" be *8* images?? |
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| 17:04.17 | somiaj | bitHipy: live.debian.net -- what live dvd are you talking about? |
| 17:04.43 | somiaj | bitHipy: the live images are about 1 gig a piece (Depending on the desktop you choose). |
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| 17:04.51 | bitHipy | somiaj: I was on http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ and ended up on http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
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| 17:05.09 | somiaj | bitHipy: that is not a live image, those are the actual dvd images from bittorent |
| 17:05.18 | somiaj | bitHipy: so those are the 8 dvd images that contain every package of debian. |
| 17:05.24 | somiaj | debian squeeze that be |
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| 17:06.11 | bitHipy | makes no sense that the "live" download page would link me to that |
| 17:06.30 | bitHipy | i was hoping to get a torrent for a single live dvd |
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| 17:06.54 | bitHipy | i'll just have to grab from here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 17:07.04 | tremon | bitHipy: "these images are suitable for trying a Debian system comprised of a selected default set of packages and then install it from the same media" |
| 17:07.09 | bitHipy | and use the debian servers bandwidth |
| 17:08.11 | NiLon | you can basically just get first disk and install from there |
| 17:08.13 | tremon | bitHipy: of course, only the first disc has the live environment, the rest is installer packages |
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| 17:09.20 | bitHipy | tremon: in that case, the "DVD-1" part of the first filename should be changed to "LIVE", if it is indeed live |
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| 17:10.31 | somiaj | bitHipy: sure you don't want i386 for that older hardware? |
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| 17:10.52 | bitHipy | somiaj: the t61 is a 64bit processor |
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| 17:11.10 | somiaj | the first install cd/dvd is not a live image, it is just an installer. |
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| 17:12.44 | somiaj | bitHipy: still depending on your usage you may find i386 nicer to use. Just a suggestion, either should work. (: |
| 17:12.54 | sharpk | is there an easy way to get xbmc eden (v11) on squeeze? |
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| 17:13.35 | bitHipy | somiaj: well etch-amd64 has been rock solid, so i'd rather not deviate from amd64 |
| 17:14.02 | bitHipy | doesn't the 64bit payoff when I run virtualbox? |
| 17:14.15 | bitHipy | i thought VMs performed better w/ 64 bits |
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| 17:15.00 | NiLon | that's bit absurd |
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| 17:16.47 | bitHipy | if the software is sophisticated enough, it should be able to do 2 32bit operations at the same time on a 64 bit processor |
| 17:16.59 | bitHipy | does debian leverage that at all? |
| 17:17.43 | NiLon | bitHipy or not |
| 17:17.46 | Sevet | that's not what 64bit means |
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| 17:18.43 | bitHipy | Sevet: if you want to "and" two 32 bit numbers by two others, you can simply put two in the same register. |
| 17:19.13 | bitHipy | the result is in fact two results |
| 17:19.16 | Sevet | ok that example perhaps, but the software would waste more time in aligning the operations and calculating it could do so that it'd save |
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| 17:19.22 | Sm0ke0ut_ | neither |
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| 17:20.31 | Sevet | plus it'd have to use extra operations to combine them. that's one of the fastest operations the cpu could do so it's just not worth it |
| 17:20.43 | bitHipy | Sevet: java has no limit on the size of numbers it can do operations on -- but the bigger the number supported by the hardware, the less overhead required |
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| 17:21.36 | bitHipy | java will move bits as required to add numbers of any size - there is literally no limit on this |
| 17:22.22 | bitHipy | but i would expect the JRE to take full advantage of the bits available |
| 17:22.26 | Sevet | ok, thought you were meaning something different |
| 17:23.10 | NiLon | bitHipy that overhead is only small fraction |
| 17:23.23 | NiLon | so 64 bit doesn't mean "double to power" compared to 32 bit |
| 17:23.35 | NiLon | not even close |
| 17:23.35 | ompaul | less than 12% |
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| 17:24.14 | Sevet | biggest advantage is if a program needs >2gb/3gb ram (which can easily be the case in a vm) |
| 17:24.19 | bitHipy | NiLon: no one said "double".. overhead is never free.. I think everyone understands that |
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| 17:25.08 | ompaul | bitHipy: is there a specific debian question here? |
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| 17:25.40 | NiLon | bitHipy you rarely work with numbers over 32 bit anyway |
| 17:25.45 | bitHipy | ompaul: squeeze shuts down spontaneously on thinkpad t61's |
| 17:26.11 | ompaul | bitHipy: you say t61's or your's specifically? |
| 17:26.27 | bitHipy | ompaul: my t61 is unmodified |
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| 17:27.00 | ompaul | bitHipy: you have reports of others? |
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| 17:27.35 | bitHipy | ompaul: i have reports of other models of thinkpads having no issue w/ squeeze |
| 17:27.49 | bitHipy | ompaul: my particular t61 has no issues with Etch |
| 17:28.09 | ompaul | are you running squeeze in a vm? |
| 17:28.18 | bitHipy | ompaul: no |
| 17:28.36 | bitHipy | ompaul: it was a netinst from scratch |
| 17:28.38 | ompaul | bitHipy: I did ask have you knowledge of other t61s (I don't) |
| 17:29.09 | bitHipy | ompaul: no, i have not heard from anyone with a t61 |
| 17:29.11 | ompaul | bitHipy: shutting down randomly like that sounds like heat |
| 17:29.47 | ompaul | bitHipy: have you anything in syslog saying what it sees before it shuts down |
| 17:29.47 | bitHipy | ompaul: heat seems to have no affect on etch, however |
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| 17:30.03 | ompaul | bitHipy: am I to take it you are dual booting it? |
| 17:30.12 | bitHipy | ompaul: i didn't check.. i'll make another attempt later |
| 17:30.57 | bitHipy | ompaul: i'm dual-booting, that's not relevant.. the squeeze install was on a new hdd (so the HDD is the only thing to change) |
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| 17:31.16 | ompaul | if you are not logged in then this is a theoratical discussion, please get more information, we have not got a list of people complaining here about t61s which given its popularity is a bit strange |
| 17:31.17 | bitHipy | the squeeze install was not a dual-boot, btw |
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| 17:31.47 | surfdue | Stupid question but how can I remove a file named -v ? |
| 17:31.51 | surfdue | I tried rm "-v" |
| 17:31.56 | ompaul | rm \-v |
| 17:32.10 | surfdue | missing operand |
| 17:32.11 | surfdue | :/ |
| 17:32.16 | surfdue | i tried that |
| 17:32.17 | somiaj | isn't it rm -- -v |
| 17:32.28 | surfdue | thank god. |
| 17:32.30 | bitHipy | surfdue: use "find" |
| 17:32.38 | surfdue | somiaj: thanks |
| 17:32.51 | somiaj | surfdue: -- is a common thing to mean do not take anything after this to be options |
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| 17:34.13 | ompaul | the other option was not as I said but rm ./-v however |
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| 17:34.55 | bitHipy | "find . -iname \*v -print0 | xargs -0 rm" also works (but make sure no wother files end in "v") |
| 17:34.56 | somiaj | ahh yea, or /full/path/to/-v |
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| 17:43.13 | LinuxApprentice | i have a question |
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| 17:43.28 | LinuxApprentice | my wireless chipset is the broadcom 4311 |
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| 17:43.32 | dvs | uh oh |
| 17:43.40 | bitHipy | LinuxApprentice: that's not a question |
| 17:43.44 | babilen | !bcm4311 |
| 17:43.44 | dpkg | b43 is a driver supporting PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips, part of the Linux kernel. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. For BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) device support, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:43.59 | LinuxApprentice | if i attempt to install debian with http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com will i run into problems? |
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| 17:44.07 | LinuxApprentice | wifi is only way i can get net access |
| 17:44.07 | babilen | LinuxApprentice: Read that ^^^ think about it and ask if you still have a question. Please make sure that firmware is installed. |
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| 17:44.20 | dvs | LinuxApprentice: You won't be able to do the install over the wireless network |
| 17:44.55 | babilen | LinuxApprentice: yes, you need firmware for your device to work which is (IIRC) not part of the installed you get when you use the goodbye-microsoft way. |
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| 17:45.21 | babilen | LinuxApprentice: What kind of network do you plan to connect to? (is it encrypted? how?) Can you boot from CD or USB? |
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| 17:45.33 | LinuxApprentice | i can boot from usb, it's public wifi at the library |
| 17:45.48 | babilen | dvs: kmuto installs WPA/WPA2 these days. WEP and open wireless networks are supported by the squeeze installer. |
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| 17:46.05 | babilen | LinuxApprentice: So it is open and you do not need to authenticate at all? |
| 17:46.17 | LinuxApprentice | babilen, correct |
| 17:46.18 | dvs | babilen: kmuto uses WPA on a Squeeze install? |
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| 17:46.42 | babilen | dvs: It now supported WPA encrypted networks during the installation of squeeze, yes. |
| 17:46.50 | LinuxApprentice | i have ubuntu 11.04 installed and i don't like it |
| 17:46.50 | dvs | woohoo! |
| 17:46.51 | babilen | *supports |
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| 17:47.22 | hlan | I'm doing a lot of full automated installs and I've noticed that mandb is slowing down apt-get /a lot/ - are there some way to optimize this? |
| 17:47.22 | LinuxApprentice | so which image do i need to boot from usb and install over wifi? |
| 17:47.53 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: I would just use the 'netinstall' image |
| 17:48.05 | dvs | somiaj: Won't work for a Broadcom |
| 17:48.05 | babilen | LinuxApprentice: Ok. You have multiple options and it depends on your wishes what the best option is. You *do* need firmware for your wireless adaptor which is not included with most installers. In order to recommend the best installer/installation procedure I'd need to know what hardware you are installing on |
| 17:48.22 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: note that many wifi will require non-free firmware -- my suggestion is the netinstall has enough info to install a base system, then copy over the firmware you need. |
| 17:48.23 | babilen | LinuxApprentice: Could you run "lspci -n | lspci -nn" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 17:48.32 | somiaj | dvs: you yea, that requires the script to download the right firmware? |
| 17:48.35 | babilen | !tell LinuxApprentice -about installer firmware |
| 17:48.36 | somiaj | dvs: oh yea. |
| 17:48.40 | babilen | !tell LinuxApprentice -about firmware image |
| 17:48.49 | babilen | !tell LinuxApprentice -about usb install |
| 17:49.43 | babilen | bbl |
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| 17:50.04 | LinuxApprentice | one more question, the next stable release isn't coming out anytime soon is it? |
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| 17:51.17 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: I expect sometime early next year, but squeeze will be supported for somewher around 2 more years give or take. |
| 17:51.36 | hlan | can you disable man-db altogether? I don't care about man performance, as long as man still works because it's not worth the overhead as apt-get takes 50% longer to run |
| 17:52.17 | themill | hlan: you can preseed a value for man-db/auto-update |
| 17:53.02 | hlan | themill: explain "preseed" |
| 17:53.07 | LinuxApprentice | how can i figure out the chipset of a wireless USB adapter? |
| 17:53.09 | themill | dpkg: tell hlan about preseed |
| 17:53.13 | somiaj | LinuxApprentice: lsusb |
| 17:53.31 | themill | hlan: sorry, I assumed that you were already doing that if you're doing lots of automated installs |
| 17:53.33 | innociv | If I have a server with one host, and want to move everything to a new one, is there an easy way that I can transfer everything from one server to another? |
| 17:53.45 | naptastic | dpkg: tell naptastic about "preseed" |
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| 17:53.46 | somiaj | innociv: rsync |
| 17:53.47 | innociv | All the files, configs, services. |
| 17:54.21 | hlan | themill: nope, just using apt-get |
| 17:54.27 | themill | hlan: so you shove a value for that key into debconf prior to starting any installations and that will stop man-db from actually doing anything. |
| 17:54.50 | naptastic | innociv, rsync will do that for you. Use rsync -avp. |
| 17:54.54 | somiaj | innociv: rsync works over ssh (or other means) and does a direct copy (including primisions, ownership, etc) |
| 17:55.09 | innociv | ssh between two servers? |
| 17:55.28 | hlan | themill: okay, how can I pass that value to apt-get? |
| 17:55.32 | innociv | What happens with the /etc/network/interfaces when I do that? |
| 17:55.46 | themill | hlan: something like: echo "man-db man-db/auto-update boolean false" | debconf-set-selections; apt-get install lots of packages |
| 17:56.28 | somiaj | innociv: you only need an ssh server running on one of the servers |
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| 17:57.18 | somiaj | innociv: depending on how you decide to rsync the info between the two boxes. If you don't want to make an exact copy of everything, just copy over the data/config files you need |
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| 17:57.53 | innociv | Would I simply rsync / directory? Well I'm not sure what I don't want to copy. if I copy /etc/interfaces/network I'm going to have the wrong IPs in there on the new server. |
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| 17:58.16 | zleslie | Howdy |
| 17:58.35 | somiaj | innociv: so don't copy that, you also probabaly don't want to rsync all of / (since you will copy over memory file systems like /dev, /proc, /sys, /run |
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| 17:59.01 | innociv | Yeah that's my worry. I'm not sure what's safe to copy over and what's not.. |
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| 17:59.33 | innociv | Is apt-get maintainer going to work correctly with things I installed with apt-get and rsynced over? |
| 17:59.53 | naptastic | yes |
| 18:00.04 | somiaj | innociv: it really depends on what you want to do. If you mirror the whole os, then you copy over th whole apt/dpkg database. |
| 18:00.23 | somiaj | innociv: but it sounds like you may just need to copy over the data and not the actual os. |
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| 18:01.21 | Clund | Hi all, my firefox addon manager and adress bar doesn't work. I reinstalled it totally (apt-get remove, deleting ~/.mozilla, install it again). whether entering site via adress type and pressing enter nor with the green arrow i could acces a site. addon manager (via extras) shows an loading circle, nothing else. screenshots: http://www.eugenecomputergeeks.com/s1.jpg http://www.eugenecomputergeeks.com/s2.jpg |
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| 18:01.42 | thewanderer1 | Clund, where exactly did you get this "firefox"? |
| 18:02.06 | innociv | somiaj, well i'd like to copy over the whole OS. I have an updated debian on the current box. |
| 18:02.10 | Clund | via apt-get i imported the repo foe the newest ff |
| 18:02.18 | thewanderer1 | Clund, oh, you're on Ubuntu... their channel is that way → → → |
| 18:02.21 | Clund | *for |
| 18:02.29 | Clund | they dont answer |
| 18:02.34 | innociv | That can be done while debian is still running? It's a remote server, i'm not installing debian myself. |
| 18:02.36 | Clund | or coulnd help me |
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| 18:03.23 | cheets | Hi |
| 18:03.25 | caravel | Clund: you can't get Ubuntu help here, because there shouldn't be Ubuntu users. Ubuntu != Debian |
| 18:03.31 | thewanderer1 | Clund, distro channels can't provide support for third-party software from external repositories, regardless if it's Debian or Ubuntu - best downgrade to the distro-provided browser |
| 18:03.53 | cheets | What advantage does Ubuntu give over Debian anyway? |
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| 18:04.13 | Clund | ubuntu is based on debian, i know |
| 18:04.15 | kevlarman | is there a way to force /etc/hosts to be re-read without taking down my network? |
| 18:04.20 | dondelelcaro | cheets: best to ask in #ubuntu |
| 18:04.25 | cheets | ;) |
| 18:04.35 | thewanderer1 | kevlarman, re-read by what? it is not cached by default (unless you run nscd) |
| 18:04.36 | somiaj | innociv: that sounds conflicting, why would you want to copy over the whole os onto an updated debian. Why not just use the updated debian os and copy over the actual data. |
| 18:04.46 | caravel | cheets: troll detected ^^ |
| 18:04.50 | kevlarman | thewanderer1: anything/everything |
| 18:05.00 | gnarface | kevlarman: its read on the fly, by most things... chances are your problem is not with your /etc/hosts file |
| 18:05.06 | kevlarman | err |
| 18:05.07 | dondelelcaro | kevlarman: you just make changes to it; anything using libnss rereads it if needed. |
| 18:05.10 | somiaj | innociv: because if you copied over the whole os you would have the eaxct os you are running, not the updated version. |
| 18:05.11 | DelTree | no partclone in squeeze ? |
| 18:05.23 | kevlarman | crap i just pasted the ip/hostname backwards didn't i? |
| 18:05.27 | cheets | is looking for a reason to use Linux on his desktop. But can't find a good one. |
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| 18:05.41 | thewanderer1 | kevlarman, is ip, then whitespace, then hostnames |
| 18:05.49 | somiaj | innociv: oh sorry I missread you. Are these servers say a VPS on some hosting site, do you haev access to the actual drives? |
| 18:05.53 | kevlarman | not 100% awake :( |
| 18:06.11 | thewanderer1 | cheets, you're welcome to talk about that in #debian-offtopic or other off-topic channels :P |
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| 18:06.24 | cheets | Ahh ok thanks. |
| 18:06.46 | innociv | They are dedicated, not VPS. |
| 18:07.01 | innociv | I'm not sure I have access to actual drives. How do I check? |
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| 18:07.25 | innociv | Oh and it's simply that updating config, building some things from source, so on takes a while. |
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| 18:07.57 | somiaj | innociv: I mean can you actually get to the physical hardware. Have you asked your service provider if they can mirror the os over for you? |
| 18:08.05 | innociv | I have apache built from source, with openssh sftp, and all sorts of things I don't want to redo. |
| 18:08.19 | innociv | No I can't get to the physical hardware. |
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| 18:08.56 | innociv | Mirror the OS over would just be debian, not my data and daemons, would it? |
| 18:09.01 | innociv | wouldn't it* |
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| 18:10.30 | somiaj | innociv: If someone had physical access to the drives they could mirror the whole os including all data. So it would be an exact copy (minus any changes they would have to do for the new hardware or a different ip) |
| 18:11.20 | somiaj | innociv: copying a running os ontop of another running os could cause troubles. I would see if your hosting company can do the copy for you if you want the whole os copied over (not just the data) |
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| 18:11.37 | innociv | That's what I figured. |
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| 18:13.54 | tsar | I guess i've configured something wrong in KDE and now it won't load. What can I do to determine and eliminate the source of the problem? |
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| 18:14.27 | jelly-home | tsar: take a look at ~/.xsession-errors first |
| 18:14.38 | Muon | do the -dbg packages contain all of the information generated if the program/library was compiled with the -g flag? |
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| 18:16.26 | dmanirc | hi folks - having a problem moving a user's home directorty via usermod. it returns "no changes". i'm running squeeze 6.0.1. the command im using is: usermod -m -d <newhome> <username> |
| 18:16.36 | dmanirc | running as root of course |
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| 18:32.40 | dvs | Wow. The kmuto WPA install works. |
| 18:33.23 | jelly-home | inconceivable! |
| 18:33.36 | dvs | Yeah! ;-P |
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| 18:36.07 | Iridos | pics or it didn't.... |
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| 18:40.40 | ws2k3 | how should i configure debian that it uses nullmailer to send out mail ? |
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| 18:42.04 | valdyn | ws2k3: just install it |
| 18:42.19 | ws2k3 | that all ? |
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| 18:43.13 | Iridos | dpkg, tell dvs about wpa |
| 18:43.36 | dvs | is it?!? |
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| 18:44.20 | Iridos | time to update that one and perhaps kmuto? |
| 18:44.28 | jordanm | ws2k3: you will need to configure the smarthosts |
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| 18:44.41 | jordanm | ws2k3: check /usr/share/doc/nullmailer |
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| 18:45.24 | dvs | Iridos: Oh yeah, I'd update the wpa message |
| 18:45.33 | ws2k3 | jordanm i did configure a smarthost |
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| 18:45.54 | ws2k3 | how should u send a testmail from debian ? |
| 18:46.18 | jordanm | ws2k3: then your done. null mailer provides a sendmail binary |
| 18:46.33 | jordanm | use the mail command from the mailx package |
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| 18:48.48 | Iridos | dvs, go, go, go ;) |
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| 18:50.30 | ws2k3 | ok from linux works |
| 18:50.35 | ws2k3 | thx |
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| 18:53.47 | izepstan | which one is best for backups of xen client, either tar, rsync or rdiff-backup? |
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| 19:06.42 | hampsterblade | So I have quotas set up for a user and it says he has exceeded it despite not being nearly what he's capped at |
| 19:06.53 | hampsterblade | The quota check for him outputs this http://pastebin.com/JdLCYsGw |
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| 19:08.00 | koskoz | hi |
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| 19:08.54 | LinuxApprentice | i'm having trouble loading the firmware for my wireless adapter in the installer |
| 19:09.01 | LinuxApprentice | i have the pkgs on a usb stick |
| 19:09.36 | LinuxApprentice | they are compressed though, must i extract them onto the usb stick? |
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| 19:10.11 | koskoz | I don't get it, I've got an ftp task on a ant script which returns me a "permission denied" when trying to upload a file on my server. I've checked the log, ant's connection to the ftp is ok, so it's really a permission issue. The thing is, with the same ftp user as ant, using filezilla, I can connect and upload the file in the right directory without error. Does someone have any clue about |
| 19:10.12 | koskoz | this? Is there other logs I can check? |
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| 19:11.40 | zleslie | I have an issue with preseed using a proxy where I get an error in syslog during installation that the mirror does not support suite "squeeze". I see some things about this in old threads, but I am wondering why this is happening. |
| 19:11.45 | zleslie | The debug output shows the command: wget -q http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/Release -O - | grep -E '^(Suite|Codename:)' |
| 19:11.47 | haotian | what comes by default installed as web server with debian squeeze ? |
| 19:12.27 | zleslie | And the release file *does* contain the Suite: stable Codename: squeeze entries. |
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| 19:12.31 | hampsterblade | nothing |
| 19:12.45 | hampsterblade | haotian, you can install apache by doing /apt-get install apache2 |
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| 19:15.32 | zleslie | Does anyone know what might cause our issue? |
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| 19:16.01 | haotian | hampsterblade :: but during installation I selected web-server. Although I installed apache2 now, I have doubt that whether there might be 2 separate web-servers running on system; is that possible ? If yes, how can I check ? |
| 19:16.16 | haotian | When I connect to the machine, it says; "It works !" means that server is running. |
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| 19:16.40 | hampsterblade | yes that is the default apache web server page |
| 19:17.04 | jordanm | haotian: you can have two webservers, but they both can not bind to port 80 |
| 19:17.38 | haotian | I configured apache2 to listen from 443 but when I connect through http, it says it works. |
| 19:17.40 | haotian | Not https. |
| 19:17.44 | hampsterblade | if apache is working if another webserver was installed it wasn't running |
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| 19:18.41 | jordanm | haotian: configured how? |
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| 19:19.05 | haotian | nano etc/apache2/ports.conf and make it not listen at port 80 |
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| 19:19.17 | haotian | but when I connect using http, it says it works |
| 19:19.51 | jordanm | haotian: it listens on both by default |
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| 19:20.04 | jordanm | haotian: a2ensite default-ssl |
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| 19:20.18 | daemonkeeper | It doesn't. It listens on 443 only if you enable mod_ssl. |
| 19:20.48 | haotian | is there any command that I can run which returns me all installed web-servers on my system ? |
| 19:21.04 | jordanm | a2enmod ssl |
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| 19:22.41 | jordanm | haotian: aptitude search '~i~shttpd' |
| 19:22.45 | jordanm | that's as close as you will get |
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| 19:24.11 | Repox | Hi. I just compiled the latest version of libqrencode - I tried it on a minimal debian installtion. Trying to start it, I get this message: /usr/local/bin/qrencode: error while loading shared libraries: libqrencode.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 19:24.35 | Repox | Is this an error with the compiling/library or is it something I did wrong? |
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| 19:25.41 | valdyn | Repox: did you actually read the error message? |
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| 19:26.11 | TraydenT | Repox: any reason not to use the package ? |
| 19:26.13 | dondelelcaro | Repox: 1) why aren't you using the qrencode package 2) you either haven't installed the shared library, or it's not in the library path. ldd /usr/local/bin/qrencode for details |
| 19:26.36 | nezzario | FUCKIIIING CAKKKKE |
| 19:27.32 | Iridos | he must have found out that it's a lie :) |
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| 19:27.47 | haotian | "a2ensite default-ssl" "a2enmod ssl" I can't run them, a2ensite and a2enmod isn't installed, means that my apache2 install is missing something ? |
| 19:27.50 | haotian | what should I get ? |
| 19:28.07 | Repox | dondelelcaro: 1) I need output from the updated library (EPS format). 2) ldd helped me alot; I can see now what I did wrong. |
| 19:28.09 | valdyn | haotian: you are not using apache2 debian packages? |
| 19:28.16 | jordanm | haotian: are you root? |
| 19:28.40 | haotian | valdyn :: I guess I use --> http://ideone.com/gnuYE |
| 19:28.54 | haotian | let me sudo |
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| 19:29.11 | valdyn | haotian: a2ensite is in /usr/sbin/ |
| 19:29.15 | dondelelcaro | Repox: right, so you should backport the package (I think the 3.3.0 version is current?) which will help, as it'll be automatically upgraded, and your version won't get in the way, either |
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| 19:29.44 | haotian | sorry I'm linux new. So that is root's access I think that '/usr/bin' |
| 19:29.50 | haotian | s/new/newb |
| 19:30.02 | haotian | should I sudo these commands ? or su ? how ? |
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| 19:30.27 | as | hello, seeking an xml editor, which has good xsd and xpath support. Can somebody recommend a tool? |
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| 19:30.46 | valdyn | haotian: it does not matter how you run something as root, as long as you do |
| 19:31.01 | Repox | dondelelcaro: I don't know how backporting works - I'll google it. |
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| 19:31.12 | jordanm | !tell as about emacs |
| 19:31.30 | Repox | dondelelcaro: Thank you for the tips. |
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| 19:32.45 | as | thx! |
| 19:32.49 | haotian | Thank you very much |
| 19:33.33 | smhar | greetings |
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| 19:38.28 | FGH`Halidith | Hello, what is the sendmail path of debian? |
| 19:38.55 | jordanm | !tell FGH`Halidith about cross-post |
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| 20:06.49 | hampsterblade | I figured out my problem. quotatool is retarded and doesn't recognize G as GB and was defaulting it to 100K instead of 100G, had to rerun the command at 100000M |
| 20:08.38 | guardian | would you rotate mysql dumps with logrotate? or it's not the appropriate tool? |
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| 20:12.07 | jelly-home | guardian: why not name them with a date like foo.$(date -I).dump in the first place |
| 20:12.55 | guardian | well i once did that, crontab triggers mysql dump script daily, then find identifies "old enough dumps" and remove them |
| 20:13.09 | guardian | but somehow, logrotate looks like a full featured tool that can do it |
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| 20:13.16 | guardian | postrotate -> new dump |
| 20:13.18 | guardian | simple |
| 20:13.20 | guardian | ? |
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| 20:14.38 | gotmynick | automysqlbackup package does daily, weekly, monthly, yearly rotation (it's configurable) |
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| 20:15.06 | gotmynick | also it can send backups and erros by email, etc |
| 20:15.11 | gotmynick | *errors |
| 20:15.22 | jelly-home | guardian: does it check for exit status of scripts and notify you? Does it do sanity checks like size of the dump? Does it mail any stderr from mysqldump? |
| 20:15.40 | guardian | nope indeed, but my simple script didn't either |
| 20:15.53 | jelly-home | guardian: then it's not full featured. |
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| 20:17.02 | jelly-home | +1 vote for automysqlbackup until you need something better |
| 20:17.16 | gotmynick | also any tool that does dump (mysqldump) should be run out of production hours (in special with big MyISAM tables) |
| 20:17.26 | gotmynick | or in a slave |
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| 20:18.25 | guardian | yeah |
| 20:18.30 | guardian | thx for pointing automysqlbackup |
| 20:19.14 | gotmynick | I don't remember if every rotation levels could be disabled... |
| 20:19.37 | FGH`Halidith | I use nullmailer as SMTP, Now my mailing system does not work . I was trying to edit the php conf file, what is or could be my sendmail path, i tried usr/sbin/nullmailer-send and usr/lib/nullmailer and usr/lib/sendmail and usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 20:20.24 | jelly-home | FGH`Halidith: you are missing the first / |
| 20:20.30 | jelly-home | FGH`Halidith: "/usr/sbin/sendmail" |
| 20:20.38 | jelly-home | and that's the default, anyway |
| 20:21.56 | jelly-home | with any MTA, first thing to do is look at its logs, then try to send a mail again and see what happens |
| 20:21.56 | FGH`Halidith | jelly-home: So that should be the working path, any other suggestions for my php.ini on the mail function? |
| 20:22.15 | FGH`Halidith | Where can i see these logs |
| 20:22.29 | simonlnu | ? |
| 20:22.36 | jelly-home | FGH`Halidith: /var/log/mail.log |
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| 20:26.08 | jelly-home | FGH`Halidith: then take a look at the MTA only, ignoring php for a moment. Did nullmailer ever work on this machine? Can you send mail using "echo test | mailx -s 'test subject' recipient@example.org"? (install bsd-mailx if you have no mailx or mail command available) How does it fail? What's the command's exit status? |
| 20:26.39 | FGH`Halidith | Yes echo works etc |
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| 20:27.13 | FGH`Halidith | Also we used this system and it worked,, but we had a crash so we had to reinstall everything and now this is like , right how did we solve this again?:D |
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| 20:27.50 | FGH`Halidith | Does this log indicates that it worked with the nullmailer path: Apr 3 20:48:21 localhost nullmailer[11612]: Starting delivery: protocol: smtp host: 87.239.14.58 file: 1333478901.11930 |
| 20:27.50 | FGH`Halidith | Apr 3 20:48:22 localhost nullmailer[11931]: smtp: Succeeded: 250 OK id=1SF8kv-0007GM-DE |
| 20:27.50 | FGH`Halidith | Apr 3 20:48:22 localhost nullmailer[11612]: Sent file. |
| 20:28.04 | Gokilo | I cannot make a directory in my home folder |
| 20:28.18 | Gokilo | mkdir: cannot create directory `/install': Permission denied |
| 20:28.39 | jordanm | Gokilo: that's not your home directory |
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| 20:29.03 | Gokilo | ah |
| 20:29.10 | Gokilo | i need to do ~/install |
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| 20:29.55 | FGH`Halidith | Also, i think i see in the previous log that it used postfix instead of nullmailer or sendmail, is this possible? |
| 20:29.56 | smhar | a guide is pointing me to /etc/default/dhcp3-server bur I can not find it, where is it suppose to be? |
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| 20:30.34 | petemc | smhar: /etc/default/isc-... |
| 20:30.42 | petemc | possibly |
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| 20:31.56 | LinuxApprentice | hi |
| 20:32.18 | LinuxApprentice | i have downloaded the non-free firmware debian iso and it doesn't load the firmware for my wireless adapter? |
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| 20:32.50 | smhar | petemc, found. /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server . thank you |
| 20:32.59 | petemc | np |
| 20:33.20 | smhar | petemc, what is the difference between mlan0 and uap0? |
| 20:33.56 | petemc | no idea what either of those are |
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| 20:35.13 | LinuxApprentice | why isn't loading the non free firmware in the installer? |
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| 20:38.45 | sharpk | is there an easy way to get xbmc eden (v11) on squeeze? |
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| 20:41.38 | jordanm | !tell sharpk about dmm |
| 20:41.42 | jordanm | !tell sharpk about ssb |
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| 20:42.22 | jordanm | sharpk: not sure how easy it would be to backport |
| 20:42.42 | sharpk | hmm, I have xbmc 10 for squeeze from debian-multimedia |
| 20:42.49 | sharpk | which is the only version offered there |
| 20:43.01 | jordanm | its in the sid repository, you will have to try a backport for it |
| 20:43.08 | jordanm | see the ssb factoid for backporting |
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| 20:43.22 | sharpk | I'll read up on that, thanks jordanm |
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| 20:44.22 | naptastic | If I use the "testing" repo mainly, then Debian will behave basically as a rolling release, right? |
| 20:44.29 | naptastic | I mean, except during freezes? |
| 20:44.36 | naptastic | Or am I misunderstanding? |
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| 20:47.20 | jelly-home | naptastic: well, the word "release" implies some sort of quality checking and suitability/usability |
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| 20:48.02 | naptastic | jelly-home, lol. But it's better than unstable, right? And if I'm already comfortable rolling back updates as needed? |
| 20:49.10 | jelly-home | I couldn't say whether it's "better" because I'm not using unstable, nor know your intended purpose |
| 20:49.50 | thewanderer1 | naptastic, it's not really better than unstable - may be a bit more stable, but bugs take longer to patch (because of long sid -> testing migrations) and also, very often, deps from testing are only in sid |
| 20:50.02 | jelly-home | but it's possible to use testing for, say, workstation purposes, if you're able and willing to correct for occasional breakage |
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| 20:50.30 | thewanderer1 | on the other hand, testing sees less bugs which for example break booting or erase your entire filesystem :P |
| 20:50.38 | naptastic | O.O |
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| 20:50.55 | jelly-home | in theory |
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| 20:51.05 | naptastic | well, I'm being very fickle... |
| 20:51.42 | naptastic | I want a distro that just handles everything I want just handled, and gives me complete control over everything I want complete control over. I also want to avoid periodic updates... |
| 20:52.02 | naptastic | Ubuntu has pretty much ruined me for release cycles. |
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| 20:53.15 | jelly-home | Ubuntu has perfectly feasible LTS releases yknow |
| 20:53.17 | xLinkz0 | can anyone explain to me what "-minimal" means when appended to a package name? |
| 20:53.45 | xLinkz0 | i mean there's no "-normal" |
| 20:53.49 | jordanm | depends on the package. read the package description |
| 20:53.59 | xLinkz0 | how do i get that? |
| 20:54.10 | jordanm | xLinkz0: apt-cache show <package> |
| 20:54.10 | jelly-home | dpkg -s installedpackagename |
| 20:54.11 | dpkg | Package: installedpackagename: Status: install ok installed |
| 20:54.23 | xLinkz0 | thanks |
| 20:54.24 | jelly-home | dpkg: kisses |
| 20:54.24 | dpkg | jelly-home: are you using Windows? |
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| 20:55.13 | thewanderer1 | naptastic, well, updates are smooth in Debian, generally |
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| 20:56.04 | naptastic | Another question... if I install Debian freshly... can I hang on to Gnome 2? |
| 20:56.05 | dvs | IF you read the instructions |
| 20:56.38 | jordanm | with squeeze, yes |
| 20:56.51 | thewanderer1 | yeah well, on testing you only have GNOME3 |
| 20:56.55 | dvs | naptastic: If you don't upgrade to a later release, yes |
| 20:57.11 | naptastic | sighs |
| 20:57.26 | naptastic | maybe I'll just stick with Ubuntu 10.10 until the "community" pulls its head out |
| 20:57.31 | thewanderer1 | GNOME is dead, long live GNOME |
| 20:57.41 | naptastic | I guess I should be more specific; it's not the whole community, just GNOME |
| 20:57.48 | dvs | naptastic: or you could switch to another DE like xfce |
| 20:57.57 | Gokilo | xfce rocks |
| 20:58.04 | thewanderer1 | or KDE... or LXDE... :P |
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| 20:58.08 | naptastic | sighs again |
| 20:58.22 | naptastic | yeah, I guess it's time to bite the bullet and switch. |
| 20:58.51 | thewanderer1 | as the saying goes: the times they are a changin' ... :P |
| 20:59.03 | dvs | shoots Bob Dylan |
| 20:59.06 | naptastic | Why'd they have to go screwing things up... I'm not crazy about change, but I'll take it if it makes things better |
| 20:59.25 | dvs | naptastic: Because that's GNOME. I've never liked GNOME. |
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| 21:00.01 | thewanderer1 | there's something called Cinnamon in Linux Mint, no? someone has purportedly ported it to Debian in an external repo |
| 21:00.12 | youlysses | Where is the release schedule? Intrested when Wheezy hits stable. |
| 21:00.25 | dondelelcaro | youlysses: we don't have a release schedule. |
| 21:00.29 | dvs | youlysses: We don't know |
| 21:00.51 | youlysses | It's done when it's done type of thing? |
| 21:00.57 | dondelelcaro | youlysses: pretty much |
| 21:01.02 | dvs | yup |
| 21:01.09 | thewanderer1 | specifically, it's done when there are no RC bugs, no? |
| 21:01.24 | dondelelcaro | youlysses: it becomes obvious approximately when it's going to happen, and we have a sort of vague idea of when it should happen, but we don't release on a date just because the date has happened |
| 21:01.42 | jordanm | thewanderer1: there must be a freeze first. Then no RC bugs after that |
| 21:02.01 | dvs | youlysses: It usually happens when the bug count reaches a certain number. |
| 21:02.02 | thewanderer1 | jordanm, right - the freeze is something I kind of took for granted |
| 21:02.08 | jordanm | the freeze usually won't occur until release goals are met |
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| 21:02.51 | youlysses | Gotya. Was just curious. Ecspecially with the HUGE leap between the squeze and wheezf. GNOME 3 and whatnot. |
| 21:03.05 | youlysses | *wheezy |
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| 21:03.40 | youlysses | I love squeze, but won't keep it on my laptop because it looks like the mid-90's ... |
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| 21:03.58 | dvs | no, that's just Gnome. ;-P |
| 21:05.19 | youlysses | Yeah, but it doesnt matter to a third party, getting a first impression of GNU/Linux. To them "ugly" is ugly. |
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| 21:07.25 | piklu | what is the channel for random talk? |
| 21:08.19 | xLinkz0 | #defocus iirc |
| 21:08.21 | dvs | piklu: technical support |
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| 21:10.16 | piklu | can few ppl. join ##randomtalk |
| 21:10.17 | piklu | ? |
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| 21:10.30 | ws2k3 | hi i use nullmailer to send mail from my debian system |
| 21:10.36 | ws2k3 | and if i do a testmail it works |
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| 21:10.42 | ws2k3 | but the mails from php dont work |
| 21:10.44 | ws2k3 | why is that |
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| 21:11.24 | jelly-home | ws2k3: did you take a look at nullmailer's logs to see if they even get to nullmailer? |
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| 21:11.42 | dvs | ws2k3: This is more of a #php question but if I remember correctly php expects a socket connection and not an inbox connection. |
| 21:11.58 | jelly-home | ws2k3: /var/log/mail.log |
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| 21:12.09 | ryao | Are the Debian developers planning to switch to systemd? |
| 21:12.16 | jelly-home | !systemd |
| 21:12.16 | dpkg | systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. http://wiki.debian.org/systemd http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd #systemd on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:12.21 | jelly-home | hmph |
| 21:12.33 | jelly-home | ryao: not in time for wheezy. |
| 21:12.51 | ryao | jelly-home: It is Redhat's replacement for sysvinit. Does Debian plan to follow them? |
| 21:13.04 | ryao | Will sysvinit still be supported in the future? |
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| 21:13.38 | jelly-home | ryao: systemd has backward compatibity for sysvinit style scripts, does it no |
| 21:14.22 | ryao | jelly-home: Will the Debian project force its users to use systemd? |
| 21:14.51 | jelly-home | ryao: not in the next release, the one after it, maybe. |
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| 21:15.14 | ryao | Do you know who is in charge of these decisions? |
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| 21:15.51 | jelly-home | No idea. |
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| 21:16.16 | jelly-home | ryao: why do you care now about what's going to happen in 3+ years? |
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| 21:17.33 | DanDare | Hello. Where should I start to find if "DGE-528T" wireless adapter has default kernel modules ? Trying google but no much concise answers until now |
| 21:17.50 | ryao | jelly-home: See the chat in #gentoo-dev. |
| 21:17.50 | DanDare | * Debian 6 |
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| 21:18.43 | ws2k3 | jelly-home what is the log of nullmailer |
| 21:19.12 | jelly-home | ws2k3: I have a time machine, and have already answered that question! |
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| 21:19.45 | ws2k3 | u mean mail.log ? |
| 21:20.03 | jelly-home | ws2k3: /var/log/mail.log, yes |
| 21:20.15 | dvs | DanDare: If you could supply the PCI identifier, we can find out right away. |
| 21:20.37 | simonlnu | *still* on the mail.log stuff? didn't you do that like 2 hours ago? |
| 21:20.43 | DanDare | dvs: like this "05:00.0 Ethernet controller: D-Link System Inc DGE-528T Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (rev 10) |
| 21:20.43 | DanDare | " ? |
| 21:20.59 | dvs | DanDare: lspci -nn |
| 21:21.05 | DanDare | thanks |
| 21:21.10 | dvs | if it is a PCI device |
| 21:21.32 | DanDare | dvs, osnap, its a USB adapter |
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| 21:21.42 | DanDare | so lsusb ? But lspci listed it o.O |
| 21:22.02 | DanDare | dvs: from lspci: "05:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: D-Link System Inc DGE-528T Gigabit Ethernet Adapter [1186:4300] (rev 10) |
| 21:22.02 | DanDare | " |
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| 21:22.18 | dvs | ,pciid 1186:4300 |
| 21:22.19 | judd | [1186:4300] is 'DGE-528T Gigabit Ethernet Adapter' from 'D-Link System Inc' with kernel module 'r8169' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1186:4300 |
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| 21:22.26 | dvs | voila! |
| 21:22.50 | DanDare | dvs: no im sorry, that just the ethernet !!! Im sorry ... |
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| 21:23.12 | jelly-home | ryao: no thanks. Btw this is not a developers channel, it's a tech support channel and definitely not the place to discuss infrastructural issues. If you want to delve into Debian's general ideas of what might happen on the init field, try this thread: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/02/thrd2.html#00876 |
| 21:23.24 | DanDare | dvs: adaptor is "Bus 001 Device 002: ID 148f:2573 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2501/RT2573 Wireless Adapter |
| 21:23.25 | DanDare | " |
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| 21:23.37 | DanDare | RT2573 sounds not unfamiliar |
| 21:23.38 | ryao | jelly-home: I was hoping that some Debian developers might be here. |
| 21:23.39 | dvs | ,usbid 148f:2573 |
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| 21:23.48 | ryao | I know nothing about the Debian project's plans. |
| 21:23.49 | DanDare | ok |
| 21:23.57 | jelly-home | ryao: most debian channels have moved to OFTC irc network, |
| 21:24.07 | ryao | I see. |
| 21:24.10 | u19809 | hi all, udevd produces messages on the console which cause the boot to last minutes ... how can I disable that ? |
| 21:24.33 | youlysses | Why does wheezy's default both have abiword and libreoffice writer ... my ocd is tingling. :-L |
| 21:24.39 | DanDare | dvs: I think i found it now http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73 |
| 21:24.44 | dvs | yup |
| 21:24.53 | DanDare | nice, thank you |
| 21:24.58 | dvs | no prob |
| 21:25.56 | jelly-home | ryao: my understanding is: both upstart and systemd might get experimental support in the next release; it's not easy to see a clear winner, but there _is_ agreement that sysvinit is not good enough any more |
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| 21:28.03 | ws2k3 | when i do : echo "test" | sendmail -f info@freegamehosting.nl test@test.com then i get the mail |
| 21:28.06 | ws2k3 | and it uses nullmailer |
| 21:28.08 | ws2k3 | just fine |
| 21:28.14 | ws2k3 | but still php doesnt |
| 21:28.21 | ws2k3 | and i dont see anything in the logs when i use php |
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| 21:29.00 | ryao | jelly-home: Okay. Thanks. |
| 21:29.29 | chowder | hello all. I'm running Debian wheezy and I just did an aptitude full-upgrade. Now I've lost the ability to do two-finger scrolling on my touchpad. I am still able to emulate right click by using two fingers. I can emulate middle click using three fingers. Two-finger scrolling is all that's changed. I tried to reenable it like this: synclient VertTwoFingerScroll=1 but it did nothing. Any ideas/ |
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| 21:29.55 | luas6311 | ciao |
| 21:30.04 | luas6311 | !list |
| 21:30.04 | dpkg | luas6311: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 21:31.09 | u19809 | what do I need to backup if I want to reinstall xbmc-live ? |
| 21:32.30 | youlysses | What do you have? |
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| 21:33.06 | u19809 | youlysses : what do you mean ? |
| 21:33.44 | youlysses | Are you talking about configurations or actual media? |
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| 21:40.20 | ws2k3 | the php mail realy doesnt work |
| 21:40.23 | ws2k3 | the sendmail does |
| 21:41.50 | footy | whaaaaaaaazzzz uuuuuup guys, i got a big small huge problem, i shared a directory with samba writable but i cant write anything on everything in it, what is wrong? |
| 21:42.00 | u19809 | youlysses : configuration and thumbs and such |
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| 21:42.21 | u19809 | I was thinking of just backing up ~/.xbmc and restoring it after the clean reinstall ... |
| 21:43.59 | somiaj | footy: does the samba process (or the user loging into samba) have write permisions to the directory (ls -ld /path/to/dir) |
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| 21:44.21 | somiaj | footy: i.e. you need not only permisions in samba, you need the file permisions set up right for the samba process/group or user that is auth though samba |
| 21:45.12 | footy | somiaj: i don't set anything, it's the /var/www folder how can i change it? |
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| 21:46.46 | youlysses | Is it just me, or is samba CRAP on MacOsX. One I my professor tries to connect to a remote share, and it ALWAYS times out ... :-L |
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| 21:54.42 | jelly-home | youlysses: don't they have their own implementation of CIFS, because Samba is eeevil GPL3? |
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| 21:56.52 | thewanderer1 | hmmm, why is TrueCrypt non-free again? |
| 21:57.19 | chowder | After doing a full-upgrade I've lost the ability to do two-finger scrolling on my touchpad. I am still able to emulate right click by using two fingers. I can emulate middle click using three fingers. Two-finger scrolling is all that's changed. I tried to reenable it like this: synclient VertTwoFingerScroll=1 but it did nothing. Any ideas? |
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| 22:10.30 | joyindescribable | hi, could i get some help with an init.d script? i'm pretty much at my wits end here. |
| 22:10.49 | joyindescribable | so, the script pasted here: http://forum.serviio.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=71#p8642 |
| 22:11.13 | joyindescribable | has been working for me, but it abruptly stopped working properly recently, and i have no idea why |
| 22:11.28 | joyindescribable | the error it throws is: |
| 22:11.28 | joyindescribable | Stopping Serviio media server daemon: Serviio Media Server[: 138: x1 1711: unexpe cted operator |
| 22:11.29 | joyindescribable | [: 138: x1: unexpected operator |
| 22:11.29 | joyindescribable | [: 138: x1711: unexpected operator |
| 22:11.29 | joyindescribable | /etc/init.d/serviio: 138: let: not found |
| 22:11.29 | joyindescribable | [: 138: x1 1711: unexpected operator |
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| 22:11.50 | joyindescribable | i don't know enough about debian or shell scripting to debug this myself |
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| 22:11.56 | joyindescribable | even being pointed in the right direction would be great |
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| 22:12.57 | joyindescribable | the furthest i've gotten is that the script has what looks to me like a call to a command named "running", which doesn't seem to exist. |
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| 22:13.58 | joyindescribable | i've googled and googled, but "linux bash command running" returns only useless garbage, so i can't even figure out if i'm on the right track. |
| 22:13.58 | Diehard | Q: deb 6. BCM5722 Gigabit Ethernet - eth0 properly configured, internet reachable, but server is not reachable from local subnets. ping works, telnet also, but cant open web or ssh .. anyone? |
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| 22:17.19 | dondelelcaro | joyindescribable: you'll have to actually paste the entire contents of the init.d script, and the entire set of errors you get. |
| 22:17.25 | dondelelcaro | joyindescribable: use a paste site. |
| 22:17.33 | joyindescribable | alright, 1 sec |
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| 22:18.11 | DanDare | Hello. I want to turn my Debian box into a wireless access point. I have installed and configured "hostapd". Everything I need now is configure the wireless card IP in "/etc/network/interfaces" and add Iptables rules so I can share internet on this connection? Its the way its supposed to work? |
| 22:18.23 | DanDare | I checked hostapd example configuration file but found nothing about setting card IP/network |
| 22:21.42 | joyindescribable | http://pastebin.com/NvYK2W7c |
| 22:21.54 | joyindescribable | that's the error and init script together |
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| 22:22.21 | joyindescribable | i've been trying to figure this out for about an hour now, but either i'm missing something or i'm being blinded by unknown unknowns |
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| 22:23.55 | themill | joyindescribable: try changing the first line to be "#!/bin/bash" instead |
| 22:24.12 | joyindescribable | alright, let me try that, i'll brb. |
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| 22:28.03 | anigma | when will Gnome 3.4 be included in Debian's next release? |
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| 22:28.16 | anigma | erm, scratch "when" |
| 22:28.23 | s3a | I made a guest user account. How can I make it automatically delete any files (including configuration files) that a guest user creates as well as revert back any changes they made to files that already existed? |
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| 22:29.04 | bambanx | Hi |
| 22:30.03 | bambanx | Guys my icon of my wifi connection on the panel in the top right disapear |
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| 22:30.49 | bambanx | How i can fix it i need connect to wifi sorry for my english |
| 22:31.05 | bambanx | I am on a iPhone now |
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| 22:31.17 | streuner_ | so bascially WLAN works? |
| 22:31.38 | s3a | bambanx, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11435672 ? |
| 22:31.49 | s3a | (what robfantini in that thread) |
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| 22:33.01 | themill | anigma: yes, that appears to be the plan |
| 22:33.33 | anigma | ahh, can't wait... :) |
| 22:34.33 | bambanx | streuner_: you speak to me? |
| 22:34.55 | streuner_ | well, not only, but that question is for you |
| 22:35.16 | streuner_ | s3a seems to know more... |
| 22:35.37 | bambanx | I am not sure if my wlan0 works but my internet is using a mobile USB modem |
| 22:36.10 | bambanx | How i can check it streuner_ ? |
| 22:36.14 | s3a | bambanx, is your internet configured but the applet just crashed? if so, run dhclient as root. otherwise look at the thread i linked to. |
| 22:36.32 | s3a | well it doesn';t have to be a crash |
| 22:36.40 | s3a | it could be you accidentally removing it from the panel |
| 22:36.50 | bambanx | How i run my dhclient? |
| 22:36.57 | s3a | bambanx, it's a terminal command |
| 22:37.12 | bambanx | Ok |
| 22:37.20 | streuner_ | bambanx: mobile USB modem means via phone? |
| 22:37.28 | bambanx | No |
| 22:37.35 | bambanx | Is a USB modem |
| 22:38.21 | bambanx | I run dhclient dont show me nothing |
| 22:38.45 | s3a | does the internet work? |
| 22:39.42 | bambanx | No becouse when i plug the USB modem i need connect it on the icon disapeared |
| 22:39.47 | bambanx | :/ |
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| 22:40.07 | streuner_ | bambanx: what kind of chipset? |
| 22:40.17 | bambanx | Can i conect it vía shell? |
| 22:40.51 | bambanx | i dont know streuner_ i am just only a human |
| 22:41.00 | streuner_ | bambanx: maybe, but tell us your chipset :-) |
| 22:41.22 | streuner_ | bambanx: run lspci -nn, and tell us the chipset (WLAN) |
| 22:41.31 | bambanx | Ok |
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| 22:43.13 | streuner_ | bambanx: we need the entry about pciid |
| 22:43.38 | bambanx | It show me the internal chip of mu wireless |
| 22:43.53 | bambanx | But i need use the mobile USB |
| 22:43.59 | bambanx | Not the internal |
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| 22:44.11 | streuner_ | oh, sorry, its lsusb then |
| 22:44.56 | bambanx | Ok |
| 22:44.59 | bambanx | Say |
| 22:45.12 | bambanx | Huawei .... |
| 22:45.18 | streuner_ | e220? |
| 22:45.31 | bambanx | E1552 |
| 22:45.52 | bambanx | Hspa modem |
| 22:45.52 | streuner_ | well, you are trying to connect to internet via an USB mobile device then? |
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| 22:46.04 | bambanx | Yeah |
| 22:46.23 | streuner_ | try wvdial |
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| 22:46.45 | bambanx | Dont find the order |
| 22:46.54 | streuner_ | google for that model and a working wvdial config |
| 22:47.48 | bambanx | usual i am plug the USB mobile then click on the icon and connect |
| 22:48.08 | bambanx | But the icon disapear |
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| 22:48.55 | streuner_ | bambanx: well, after some seconds? |
| 22:49.02 | s3a | bambanx, the network manager icon? are you using gnome 2? |
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| 22:49.16 | bambanx | Yes |
| 22:49.34 | s3a | maybe running nm-applet on the terminal? |
| 22:49.56 | bambanx | Dont find order |
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| 22:50.25 | streuner_ | bambanx: are you sure you made the right entries for your provider? |
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| 22:50.52 | s3a | nm-applet as user (not root) will make that thing pop up and you could make it work the way you usually do |
| 22:50.54 | s3a | bambanx, |
| 22:50.54 | bambanx | Yeah is automatic is pre-paid |
| 22:51.21 | streuner_ | noting is auto via prepaid in my country :-/ |
| 22:51.37 | streuner_ | nothing* |
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| 22:52.12 | bambanx | nm-applet say dont find order |
| 22:52.25 | bambanx | As user and root |
| 22:52.28 | streuner_ | You have to make 3-4 entries, IIRC |
| 22:52.40 | bambanx | ? |
| 22:52.54 | bambanx | What mean? |
| 22:53.06 | streuner_ | well, did you make any entries there about your passwort etc. etc. yet? |
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| 22:54.12 | s3a | bambanx, not sure but before running nm-applet as user. try running killall nm-applet as root. |
| 22:54.29 | bambanx | Ok |
| 22:55.08 | bambanx | Nm-applet not process found |
| 22:55.23 | bambanx | Weird? |
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| 22:58.33 | bambanx | I run /etc/init.d/network-manager start |
| 22:58.33 | drhouse123 | !nvdeb |
| 22:58.39 | bambanx | But nothing |
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| 22:59.17 | s3a | did you do /etc/init.d/network-manager stop first? |
| 22:59.20 | s3a | bambanx, |
| 22:59.31 | bambanx | No |
| 22:59.39 | s3a | try it just in case |
| 23:00.44 | bambanx | nothing like just enter |
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| 23:02.44 | bambanx | Is a bug |
| 23:03.41 | s3a | bambanx, was your internet working before or are you trying to configure it from scratch? (i ask because you mentioned some prepaid service) |
| 23:04.09 | bambanx | Men i noticed my theme changed when i restart and mu icon disapear |
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| 23:04.41 | bambanx | Look http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1837100.html |
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| 23:06.57 | s3a | bambanx, is your firmware installed? |
| 23:07.12 | bambanx | I dunno |
| 23:07.25 | bambanx | but it worked |
| 23:07.27 | s3a | you upgraded from which version? |
| 23:07.47 | s3a | it was version 5? |
| 23:07.54 | s3a | before you went to 6? |
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| 23:09.12 | bambanx | I dont upgrade i installed v 6 |
| 23:09.15 | bambanx | Squeeze |
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| 23:25.14 | bambanx | Thanks any way sa3 streuner |
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| 23:26.03 | streuner | if you think so |
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| 23:29.01 | streuner | bambanx: i dont give a damn about network-manager, but if you make the right entries it should work |
| 23:29.39 | streuner | bambanx: (better), you found a working entry for wvidal about your ISP and wvdial (config)... |
| 23:29.43 | bambanx | I dunno what you mean with entries pls tell me |
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| 23:30.02 | streuner | user, password and dial number |
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| 23:30.55 | bambanx | It dont use a dial number not user not pasa |
| 23:31.35 | streuner | is totally confused then |
| 23:31.36 | bambanx | Well maybe use but it never ask me for , you plug it and pay and you can use it |
| 23:31.59 | streuner | great, without any entries, thats new to me |
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| 23:32.25 | bambanx | my modem USB worked i think the problem is the bug of network-manager |
| 23:32.28 | streuner | for germany at least, i have no idea about that country you are living |
| 23:32.49 | Gokilo | how do i choose which user runs a program that i add to /etc/rc.local |
| 23:33.08 | somiaj | Gokilo: that is run by root, what programs are you wanting run in there |
| 23:33.09 | streuner | dpkg, rc.local |
| 23:33.09 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is regarded as a hack, consider writing a real init script instead, ask me about <init.d>. |
| 23:33.32 | Gokilo | say i want user1 to run rtorrent in screen |
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| 23:34.17 | Gokilo | at boot |
| 23:34.25 | Gokilo | how would i go about configuring that? |
| 23:34.51 | streuner | its very easy in GNOME :-) |
| 23:35.04 | streuner | you just add whatever program you want to run |
| 23:35.42 | Gokilo | i'm on a debian vps |
| 23:35.49 | Gokilo | no gnome |
| 23:35.50 | streuner | but, if you dont want run a DE, just add it via .xsession |
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| 23:36.19 | streuner | if you run X at all |
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