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| 00:02.20 | OomElvis | is there a program around that downloads all attachments from a pop3 mailbox? |
| 00:02.24 | OomElvis | taht anyone may know of |
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| 00:02.44 | ragnar76 | thx and bye |
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| 00:03.10 | streuner | usually all mail programs i use, do that (mutt, sylpheed) |
| 00:03.23 | streuner | by default |
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| 00:04.11 | streuner | OomElvis: so i dunno what kind of problem that is |
| 00:04.35 | OomElvis | well, i want a program that downloads all attachments and dumps them into a directory |
| 00:04.36 | OomElvis | so it can be processed by my script |
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| 00:06.35 | streuner | in order to search for a virus? |
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| 00:09.28 | OomElvis | streuner: nope |
| 00:09.41 | OomElvis | streuner: need to uplaod them to a ftp server |
| 00:09.43 | streuner | OomElvis: basically you should know *WHO* sent you an attachment..., but whats the tric about? |
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| 00:10.11 | OomElvis | i just dotnt want to use a php script to get the emails |
| 00:10.15 | OomElvis | cos its tricky and annoying |
| 00:10.33 | demoniccow | Hey, im trying to install a xfce theme and i cant find .themes in my home folder even after turing on show hidden files |
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| 00:19.03 | ZitZ | hello, does anyone know where I can find the user configuration directory for rhythmbox, i can't find it anywhere in my home folder |
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| 00:19.27 | streuner | configs usually live in /etc |
| 00:19.41 | ZitZ | steuner: those are system configs |
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| 00:20.16 | streuner | system configs for a user program? |
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| 00:20.35 | ZitZ | no, i'm looking for the user configs |
| 00:21.10 | streuner | well, look into /home/<user>/ then? |
| 00:21.47 | ZitZ | i am, but i'm not finding it, some apps use different directories like .config or .gnome2 |
| 00:22.17 | hoverbear | Has anyone used the Seed interpreter/library in gnome? |
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| 00:23.18 | ZitZ | it was in .local |
| 00:23.20 | Mp5shooter | I'm using debian squeeze + XCFE4.. why does a vertical pink bar appear on the left side of the screen |
| 00:23.21 | Mp5shooter | ? |
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| 00:24.47 | streuner | ZitZ: local, hm, anyway, but check out http://live.gnome.org/Rhythmbox too |
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| 00:25.09 | Blue1 | streuner: guayadeque |
| 00:28.28 | streuner | judd, info guayadeque |
| 00:28.29 | judd | Package guayadeque (sound, optional) in squeeze/i386: lightweight music player. Version: 0.2.5-2; Size: 1229.6k; Installed: 3596k; Homepage: http://sourceforge.net/projects/guayadeque; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/guayadeque |
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| 00:42.12 | un214 | what does it mean timeout /run/initctl |
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| 00:48.46 | sr___ | hello |
| 00:49.30 | sr___ | guys I am wondering if I did something fundamentally wrong, or if I am missing something or what |
| 00:49.53 | dvs | !ask |
| 00:49.53 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 00:50.11 | sr___ | one sec I am typing :) |
| 00:50.28 | thinkerbell | what so great about "virtual dedicated servers" and why does it cost 10x |
| 00:50.41 | abrotman | 10 times as much as what? |
| 00:50.57 | sr___ | I had to upgrade about 18 months ago from to etch to lenny, and now I have to upgrade from lenny to squeeze |
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| 00:51.13 | sr___ | it sounds like I did the upgrade to lenny "yesterday" |
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| 00:51.32 | sr___ | are the maintenance cycles just much shorter than they used to be? |
| 00:51.49 | thinkerbell | abrotman, these one cost about $50 https://www.securepaynet.net/hosting/virtual-dedicated-servers.aspx?ci=1784&prog_id=437608 meanwhile these ones cost under $10/mo http://www.securepaynet.net/hosting/web-hosting2.aspx?ci=1783&prog_id=437608#details |
| 00:52.14 | abrotman | sr___: sort of .. they're trying to release more often i'd, which means oldstable ends up with a shorter life cycle |
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| 00:52.32 | abrotman | thinkerbell: vps vs dedicated box .. shared box vs your own box |
| 00:52.59 | sr___ | ok |
| 00:53.04 | sr___ | well 2 years sounds very short |
| 00:53.10 | sr___ | for a lazy person like me :) |
| 00:53.25 | abrotman | sr___: if you'd have upgraded the day lenny was released, it would have been about 3 years IIRC |
| 00:53.39 | thinkerbell | abrotman, thx |
| 00:54.12 | sr___ | I upgraded when etch got unplugged |
| 00:54.23 | abrotman | sr___: so you had etch for three years? |
| 00:54.28 | abrotman | dpkg: release history |
| 00:54.28 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06). The next release will be Wheezy. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives |
| 00:54.39 | abrotman | roughly |
| 00:54.47 | sr___ | abrotman: I installed that server before lenny got released |
| 00:55.09 | abrotman | two years isn't that awful .. it's not like you're being charged :) |
| 00:55.19 | sr___ | I know |
| 00:55.24 | sr___ | or maybe times just flies |
| 00:55.26 | sr___ | time |
| 00:55.27 | sr___ | :) |
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| 00:55.34 | abrotman | sr___: some other linux OSes release as short as six months |
| 00:55.44 | sr___ | the release is not the problem |
| 00:55.48 | sr___ | the maintenance is |
| 00:56.20 | sr___ | and I have to say that after years of Debianism, I am considering the Ubuntu LTS server |
| 00:56.53 | Blue1 | xange was a mess |
| 00:57.12 | abrotman | sr___: that's your decision .. I odn't know how LTS works |
| 00:57.29 | sr___ | abrotman: I dont know much either |
| 00:57.38 | Blue1 | sr___: you are aware that you can use gnome classic on the new 12.04 lts right? |
| 00:57.42 | abrotman | sr___: It's not like Debian releases are a surprise, you have plenty of time to plan |
| 00:57.43 | sr___ | but the maintenance period is usually 5 years for LTS |
| 00:57.46 | abrotman | Blue1: how is that related ? |
| 00:58.15 | Blue1 | abrotman: many people don't like unity or gnome 3, that's what drove me to debian. |
| 00:58.20 | abrotman | sr___: i'm also not sure how "good" the support is in LTS |
| 00:58.24 | sr___ | Blue1: I hate unity too |
| 00:58.39 | abrotman | Blue1: that's not what he's talking about at all .. I doubt he gives a crap which WMs are available for his servers |
| 00:58.43 | sr___ | but my current concerns relates to a server |
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| 00:59.09 | sr___ | Blue1: I came to get used to gnome 3 eventually (I use ubuntu for desktop) |
| 00:59.12 | Blue1 | centos seems to be used a lot of just server |
| 00:59.22 | sr___ | I dont know |
| 00:59.25 | Blue1 | s/or/for/ |
| 00:59.26 | abrotman | sr___: that said, you also have to remember that those LTS bugs will then be with you for five years |
| 00:59.28 | sr___ | so far server => Debian |
| 00:59.39 | sr___ | abrotman: right |
| 01:00.06 | sr___ | abrotman: I just want to the whole thing to remain stable though |
| 01:00.18 | Blue1 | i have a friend who has had uptimes of over 2000 days on some of his servers |
| 01:00.19 | sr___ | as in "no new version of PHP that makes my code not working anymore" |
| 01:00.20 | abrotman | sr___: good luck with that :) |
| 01:00.44 | sr___ | full disclosure: I dont want to spend any time in PHP code |
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| 01:00.45 | sr___ | :) |
| 01:00.54 | Blue1 | :-) |
| 01:01.01 | sr___ | it's an old website that I did 10 years ago... |
| 01:01.06 | abrotman | sr___: so give it a whirl .. see if it suits you better .. we can't help you with that |
| 01:01.11 | abrotman | (the LTS i mean) |
| 01:01.14 | sr___ | sure |
| 01:01.24 | sr___ | just wanted to hear some opinions |
| 01:01.25 | abrotman | sr___: and most of us here cannot change the mainttenance schedule policy |
| 01:01.51 | Blue1 | i have to switch my server box from 10.10 to something else - since 10.10 hits end-of-life at end of the month (no april fool) |
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| 01:03.24 | abrotman | sr___: i kind of feel like 2-3 years is plenty of time, especially given the openness of the release |
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| 01:04.21 | sr___ | Blue1: those are non LTS ubuntu |
| 01:04.28 | sr___ | (Long Term Support) |
| 01:04.29 | abrotman | and ubuntu is offtopic here |
| 01:04.30 | Blue1 | fwiw I have my folks on 10.04 -- they are in their 80's - and I needed something that wouldn't change for ahwile -- when that expires who knows what we'll do. |
| 01:04.36 | Blue1 | sr___: correct |
| 01:04.44 | abrotman | Debian anyone? |
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| 01:04.52 | dvs | what? |
| 01:05.11 | demoniccow | Hello |
| 01:05.16 | Blue1 | have been playing with linux mint - which is not a bad release for a n00b, imho |
| 01:05.26 | Blue1 | hello demoniccow |
| 01:05.40 | abrotman | Blue1: okay, can you get back to Debian ? |
| 01:05.53 | abrotman | the only distro you haven't talked about |
| 01:05.59 | Blue1 | abrotman: I may migrate this box to debian - my other box is on debian |
| 01:06.29 | demoniccow | linux, sometimes to many choices :D |
| 01:06.40 | Blue1 | debian is good, but it made me work to get some of the things that ubuntu includes - like all the non-free stuff |
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| 01:06.47 | abrotman | if you want to blab about random stuff, not relasted to Debian, use #debian-offtopic |
| 01:06.58 | Blue1 | abrotman: noted |
| 01:06.59 | abrotman | and that includes Blue1 repeatedly talking about things non-Debian |
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| 01:07.29 | streuner | Blue1: please keep in mind, we support Debian here... |
| 01:07.37 | Blue1 | i know |
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| 01:38.40 | the9a3eedi | I was mistaken.. it's not GTK3 that is slow |
| 01:39.02 | the9a3eedi | I just tried another distro (fedora).. the same application had really fast scrolling.. everything was snappy in general... |
| 01:39.25 | the9a3eedi | so I'm guessing it's debian's package.. maybe.. guess I'll wait for an update |
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| 01:42.02 | somiaj | the9a3eedi: what package and what version of debian? |
| 01:42.36 | the9a3eedi | I'm on unstable.. gtk3 apps in general feel slow and unsnappy to use, but the application I use for an example is audacious |
| 01:44.01 | somiaj | the9a3eedi: have you checked the bts, any info you could provide can be useful. (: |
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| 01:44.32 | the9a3eedi | I've been googling around but there hasn't been any mention, so I was wondering if it was just my system or not |
| 01:44.51 | craigevil | the9a3eedi, using what de/wm? with what video card and driver? |
| 01:44.52 | somiaj | the9a3eedi: bugs.debian.org is where I would start. |
| 01:45.14 | craigevil | no problems using gtk apps here , and i am on kde4 |
| 01:45.49 | the9a3eedi | craigevil: currently using MATE (3rd party repo).. opensource ati driver with an ati 5870 |
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| 01:46.38 | craigevil | the9a3eedi, no way to know if it is the apps or if it is MATE, since it is a 3rd party DE |
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| 01:47.00 | the9a3eedi | craigevil: the issue is still there on other DE's though, like gnome 3, kde4 |
| 01:47.19 | the9a3eedi | perhaps I need a fresh install :P |
| 01:48.09 | craigevil | the9a3eedi, is it just gtk3 apps or kde/gnome apps as well? no issues here and this thinkpad is ancient |
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| 01:49.34 | the9a3eedi | craigevil, gtk2 apps are perfectly fine.. gtk3 apps have a noticeable performance drop compared to gtk2 though |
| 01:49.58 | the9a3eedi | craigevil, KDE4 in general is slow, unless I change the theme to something other than oxygen. KDE4 was always slow for me though |
| 01:50.02 | craigevil | on sid with 3.3 kernel from exp, kde4, ATI RV200 [Mobility Radeon 7500] , Pentium 4, using radeon driver |
| 01:50.04 | um__ | i need a very small gui. i installed openbox but am either missing dependancies or missing steps because it wont start |
| 01:50.06 | the9a3eedi | but KDE4 iis a speerate issue I think |
| 01:50.36 | craigevil | i use oxygen here , with neomuck/akondi disabled along with desktop effects |
| 01:50.52 | craigevil | desktop effects turned off |
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| 01:51.33 | the9a3eedi | craigevil, I've got desktop effects disabled as well.. nepomuck is on though. |
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| 01:52.07 | the9a3eedi | just wanted to clarify what I mean about "slow".. it's the graphical drawing.. things like scrolling for example, or drawing a new menu |
| 01:53.05 | the9a3eedi | there's a noticeable amount of milliseconds for something to react.. like 200-400ms.. it's not breaking anything.. but considering this is running on a fairly high end desktop I shouldn't be getting this |
| 01:53.32 | somiaj | um__: what do you mean won't start? How are you trying to start xorg? |
| 01:53.52 | um__ | i have a minimal debian install (the 46mb business card iso) for an installed cli only of 675mb |
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| 01:54.22 | the9a3eedi | at the moment I'll just deal with it. GTK2 apps are working perfect after all, and mate is excellent. It's only a matter of time till everything upgrades to gtk3 thouhg, but when that happens I guess I'll do a fresh install |
| 01:54.23 | um__ | i tried "startx" and "openbox-session" |
| 01:54.37 | somiaj | um__: have you installed xserver-xorg (or xserver-xorg-core)? |
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| 01:55.03 | somiaj | um__: you want to run startx, but you may need to put 'exec /usr/bin/openbox-session' in $HOME/.xinitrc |
| 01:55.54 | um__ | i guess i though x would either already be there or would have been installed by apt as a dependancy |
| 01:56.25 | somiaj | openbox only depends on the client parts of x I think, so it may not have pulled in a function xserver |
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| 01:56.50 | somiaj | does that meta package install things you seemed to have been missing? |
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| 01:59.27 | um__ | if you mean the xserver-xorg meta package, i was first going to try confirming if it was installed first (and i have been googling how to check for installed packages) |
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| 02:00.38 | Frederick | folks how do I install firefox? |
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| 02:01.28 | craigevil | Frederick, apt-get install iceweasel |
| 02:01.29 | somiaj | um__: apt-get install xserver-xorg (it will tell you all the packages that it needs to install) |
| 02:01.30 | um__ | "apt-cache search firefox" for package name |
| 02:01.41 | Frederick | craigevil: I need the firefox version cant be iceweasel |
| 02:01.43 | somiaj | Frederick: use mozilla.debian.net if you want a newer version of iceweasel than squeeze has to offer |
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| 02:02.03 | craigevil | Frederick, its the same thing, only the name is different |
| 02:02.08 | somiaj | if you really want firefox, download the .tar.gz file, extract it in your $HOME dir and run it from there |
| 02:02.13 | somiaj | no need to isntall it on your system. |
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| 02:02.23 | somiaj | but yes install a newer iceweasle from mozilla.debian.net |
| 02:02.40 | craigevil | Frederick, Iceweasel IS Firefox - http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=73796 |
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| 02:03.37 | Frederick | craigevil: were is the advanced tab where I can load modules as I can do in firefox? |
| 02:04.07 | craigevil | Frederick, load modules? wtf |
| 02:05.09 | craigevil | there are 4 Tabs under Advances on Firefox 11, General, Network, Update, Encryption |
| 02:05.14 | Frederick | craigevil: I have a token, with a digital signature I cant find where can I load its module to iceweasel |
| 02:05.16 | somiaj | Frederick: look though preferences, goto extensions |
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| 02:07.43 | craigevil | digital signature as in a Security Module? |
| 02:07.49 | Frederick | somiaj: extensions option is not present here |
| 02:07.54 | Frederick | craigevil: yes |
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| 02:08.41 | craigevil | Advanced>Encryption>Security Devices>Load |
| 02:08.41 | murphl | Is there a easy way to see what the minimum kernel version a debian 6 install needs to be running to be consider secure is? |
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| 02:09.34 | craigevil | Frederick, that is on Iceweasel 10.0.3esr-3 same as on Firefox 11 |
| 02:09.53 | somiaj | murphl: the current kernel from security.debian.org will be secure |
| 02:10.06 | Frederick | craigevil: i got iceweasel 3 =/ |
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| 02:11.09 | um__ | doesn't "dpkg -l" tell me what is already installed? |
| 02:11.44 | somiaj | Frederick: goto mozilla.debian.net follow the instructions if you want a newer version |
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| 02:12.07 | sr___ | jeez, cat /etc/debian_version => 6.0.4 |
| 02:12.17 | sr___ | that was a painful upgrade... |
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| 02:19.56 | um__ | according to "dpkg -l | grep xserver" and "dpkg -L" for xserver-xorg and xserver-xorg-core, x is already installed. but "which startx" finds nothing |
| 02:20.24 | abrotman | um__: install the 'xorg' pcakage |
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| 02:21.09 | somiaj | ahh startx is in the xinit package |
| 02:21.28 | abrotman | it is, but he should really install the 'xorg' metapckage |
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| 02:22.53 | um__ | how large is the xorg package. i am aiming for minimalistic |
| 02:23.27 | somiaj | um__: apt-cache show xorg (you can see what packages it depends on, also when you try to install it it will tell you how much space it takes up) |
| 02:23.51 | um__ | k |
| 02:24.04 | abrotman | um__: the package is recommended, you don't have to use, but it makes your life easier |
| 02:24.08 | abrotman | otherwise, learn to use apt-file |
| 02:25.00 | um__ | ok |
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| 02:32.08 | um__ | ok. i did a "show" for size and then installed xorg. that got openbox working |
| 02:32.14 | um__ | thanks |
| 02:32.43 | abrotman | enjoy |
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| 02:42.54 | Frederick | guys why doesnt debian install libjavaplugin in its default jdk package? |
| 02:43.19 | abrotman | which default jdk package? |
| 02:43.31 | Frederick | abrotman: java-sun-jdk |
| 02:43.34 | abrotman | and not everyone owuld want java in a browser just because they have a java binary on their system |
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| 02:47.45 | Frederick | folks is there a tutorial to make firefox accept suns java 6 plugin in debian 6? |
| 02:48.38 | abrotman | did you `apt-cache search java plugin` ? |
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| 02:52.49 | att_ | hi, anyone could help with restoring MBR? |
| 02:53.33 | dvs | !tell att_ about mbr |
| 02:53.38 | att_ | I've got an empty sda1 with ntfs and a sda3 with Windows XP, how could I fix the boot? |
| 02:53.48 | abrotman | att_: how is this related to Debian ? |
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| 02:54.02 | dvs | oops |
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| 02:55.21 | abrotman | att_: |
| 02:55.24 | abrotman | att_: ? |
| 02:55.34 | att_ | abrotman: it has grub |
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| 02:55.58 | abrotman | att_: are you running Linux ? Which version of Linux? |
| 02:56.45 | att_ | I'm from a Live system, but as I wrote there are 2 ntfs partitions, an empty for data and the second with an XP |
| 02:56.59 | abrotman | att_: so how is this related to Debian ? |
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| 02:57.28 | abrotman | att_: do you have Debian installed anywhere? Do you want to have Debian installed? |
| 02:57.40 | att_ | in this channel the people used to be helpful...:) |
| 02:57.53 | abrotman | in this channel, we support Debian |
| 02:57.58 | att_ | yes, on my home server I'm running a Squeeze |
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| 02:58.05 | abrotman | ON THIS BOX? |
| 02:58.22 | att_ | ok, sorry for bothering |
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| 02:58.33 | att_ | box? |
| 02:58.41 | dvs | computer |
| 02:58.47 | abrotman | att_: maybe you should try #grub |
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| 02:59.21 | att_ | I tried, but there were an error, I cannot join |
| 02:59.25 | att_ | thanks anyway |
| 02:59.26 | att_ | bye |
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| 02:59.46 | abrotman | probably because you'r enot registered |
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| 03:00.18 | dvs | he's gone |
| 03:00.23 | abrotman | i'm aware |
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| 03:02.19 | crazygir | what's the s flag in the following directory listing: drwxr-s--- 2 root users 4.0K Apr 1 22:16 virtualenvwrapper |
| 03:02.24 | crazygir | ? |
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| 03:04.03 | sheep | crazygir: I think setgid |
| 03:04.43 | LtL | crazygir: set user or group id |
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| 03:05.40 | crazygir | weird |
| 03:06.09 | crazygir | this appears to have been set while installing a python app with pip (as root) |
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| 03:07.00 | crazygir | is there a more sensible way to go about installing python apps/libraries with a tool such as pip (outside apt) |
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| 03:23.59 | crazygir | when running aptitude update I hit: W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.debian-multimedia.org squeeze Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
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| 03:26.35 | OldParr | how do i start dvdrtools ? |
| 03:29.01 | LtL | crazygir: apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 03:29.29 | LtL | crazygir: that'll work if your sources.list is correct |
| 03:30.19 | crazygir | thanks! |
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| 03:30.28 | LtL | crazygir: sure |
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| 03:35.09 | koobs_ | Is it necessary to declarte 'dev ethX' at the end of a up/down route add/delete line in /etc/network/interfaces clauses? |
| 03:35.12 | koobs_ | declare* |
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| 03:35.39 | sheep | koobs_: yes |
| 03:35.45 | koobs_ | seems redundant |
| 03:35.48 | koobs_ | but coo :) |
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| 03:36.07 | geek0091 | exactly, redundancy is linux, havent you learned yet? |
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| 03:36.38 | koobs_ | oh, ive learnt. |
| 03:36.47 | koobs_ | its why i dont enjoy it |
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| 03:36.54 | geek0091 | its why I do ;) |
| 03:36.54 | koobs_ | but i digress, thank you for the quick response :) |
| 03:37.19 | koobs_ | yeh, but you are familiar with the negative/positive connotation distinction between the use of the word redundant i take it :) |
| 03:37.43 | koobs_ | and i presume you also like the principle of least astonishment when it comes to your systems? :) |
| 03:37.47 | koobs_ | i thought so. :] |
| 03:37.48 | geek0091 | redundant is always positive. means stable. |
| 03:38.05 | koobs_ | lul. |
| 03:38.06 | koobs_ | k :) |
| 03:38.14 | geek0091 | what can I say, glass half full kinda guy |
| 03:38.36 | koobs_ | you be half glass full, and ill be the idealistic freebsd zealot ;) |
| 03:38.45 | koobs_ | alterantively, zealotry aside, ill go with dictionary definitions |
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| 03:39.01 | koobs_ | sheep: thank you for the quick response :) |
| 03:39.19 | OldParr | how do i start dvdrtools ? |
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| 03:44.37 | koobs_ | sheep: 'must' there be equivalent down route delete lines for the up route add lines? |
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| 03:45.01 | sheep | koobs_: I can |
| 03:45.03 | sheep | er |
| 03:45.08 | sheep | I can't remember off the top of my head |
| 03:45.45 | koobs_ | I spose it means, when interface gets ifdown'd, remove them, no not absolutely necessary |
| 03:45.56 | koobs_ | the iface will still be down |
| 03:47.19 | sheep | when an interface is shut off, the routes associated with it are deactivated iirc |
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| 03:47.51 | koobs_ | yah rog, danke again |
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| 03:54.13 | OldParr | is dvdrtools a library or an application ? |
| 03:55.26 | crazygir | any debian python users around? I seem to have b0rked my python install and I'm having a difficult time reclaiming it |
| 03:55.38 | crazygir | at this point, I have reinstalled python and python-setuptools |
| 03:55.52 | crazygir | and dist-packages was cleared before this |
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| 03:56.10 | crazygir | I'm now trying to use easy_install to reinstall pip and move on from there |
| 03:56.29 | crazygir | but this fails with reference to pkg_resources: http://dpaste.com/725500/ |
| 03:56.51 | crazygir | I recognize this is not debian specific, aside from that I'm on debian and would use debian tools to fix :) |
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| 03:58.07 | illovae | crazygir: are you installing python or python3? you may need python-pkg-resources (or python3-pkg-resources) |
| 03:58.16 | crazygir | just 2.6 |
| 03:58.26 | bytetracker | looks like a require is missing |
| 03:58.30 | illovae | then python-pkg-resources should do it |
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| 03:59.16 | crazygir | ah, no we are getting somewhere |
| 03:59.22 | crazygir | *now |
| 03:59.56 | crazygir | pkg_resources.DistributionNotFound: distribute==0.6.25 <--- new error |
| 04:00.10 | bytetracker | is something like import pkg_resources; on line 5 of easy_install.py? |
| 04:00.11 | crazygir | trying to reinstall python-distribute does not help |
| 04:00.23 | OldParr | crazygir: why dont you try installing it by sinaptycs |
| 04:00.30 | crazygir | from pkg_resources import load_entry_point |
| 04:00.34 | bytetracker | this is a pkg outside of normal python |
| 04:00.39 | crazygir | ? |
| 04:00.57 | bytetracker | like illovae said |
| 04:01.28 | crazygir | that new error noted above is after an aptitude reinstall pything-pkg-resources |
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| 04:02.08 | bytetracker | try sudo apt-get install pythong-pkg-resources |
| 04:02.35 | crazygir | how would that be better? |
| 04:02.51 | crazygir | if apt has the pkg installed, and you issue install, there's no reinstall attempt |
| 04:03.00 | crazygir | I've got python-pgk-resources installed |
| 04:03.13 | crazygir | here's the new / current error, having reinstalled pkg_resources: http://dpaste.com/725506/ |
| 04:03.31 | bytetracker | sudo apt-get -f install |
| 04:03.42 | Rusty1 | at some point have a look at virtualenv , http://iamzed.com/2009/05/07/a-primer-on-virtualenv/ see if it suits you |
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| 04:03.49 | Kroms | Hi |
| 04:04.07 | Kroms | when ever i use apt-get, and I press Y, it always aborts. Is this done purposely? |
| 04:04.07 | illovae | crazygir: hm, you may have an old version of pip, how did you got it? |
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| 04:04.26 | crazygir | illovae: I'm trying to install pip, I don't have it atm |
| 04:04.28 | illovae | yeah check virtualenv too |
| 04:04.32 | crazygir | (I did prior to all of this) |
| 04:04.32 | illovae | crazygir: oh ok |
| 04:04.41 | crazygir | i emptied dist-packages |
| 04:05.03 | crazygir | which may not have been the best move at the time, though it may be best in the bigger picture |
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| 04:05.53 | crazygir | illovae: trying to install pip errors out with the paste I noted above |
| 04:06.01 | bytetracker | Kroms: no |
| 04:06.14 | Kroms | bytetracker can you think of any reason it reads it as "n" |
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| 04:06.18 | bytetracker | Kroms: you press Y, i.e. <shift> Y on your keyboard. |
| 04:06.30 | Kroms | bytetracker: correct. |
| 04:06.34 | bytetracker | then enter |
| 04:06.38 | bytetracker | and it aborts |
| 04:06.44 | Kroms | correct |
| 04:07.03 | bytetracker | is the Y capitolized ? i.e. ( Y/n) : |
| 04:07.10 | bytetracker | if so just hit enter |
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| 04:07.35 | illovae | crazygir: yes, I get it now :) I don't get why easy_install claims for a DistributionNotFound |
| 04:08.12 | bytetracker | Krom, likely though however your Y is working, its something else making the install stop. It is probablly in the jumble of text below the line where you entered a Y. |
| 04:08.28 | crazygir | yea, this is driving me bokers |
| 04:08.33 | crazygir | I just want to write code >< |
| 04:08.45 | illovae | crazygir: is Distribute uptodate? try easy_install -U Distribute |
| 04:08.54 | Kroms | bytetracker: it's everything I install. But yes, I use a capitol Y, and it will just abort, every time. hah |
| 04:09.04 | bytetracker | Krom: try pasteing from the Y line to the prompt on pastebin or something. |
| 04:09.11 | bytetracker | Krom: weirdness. |
| 04:09.21 | bytetracker | nothing in syslog? |
| 04:09.43 | illovae | crazygir: you may have different version on your system somehow, I don't know, this DistrubutionNotFound error is odd |
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| 04:10.37 | illovae | crazygir: check where are all the stuff (in /usr/bin/ or /usr/local/bin?) |
| 04:10.49 | crazygir | illovae: easy_install on distribute fails with the same errors as on pip |
| 04:11.01 | crazygir | which "stuff" are you referring to? |
| 04:11.07 | crazygir | python, or dist-packages, or.. |
| 04:11.31 | illovae | everything in fact, easy_install is under /usr/bin/ or /usr/local/bin/ for example |
| 04:11.34 | illovae | ? |
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| 04:12.41 | illovae | plus, don't forget to check your virtualenv (see the url paste by Rusty1) |
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| 04:13.31 | illovae | or this link if you like: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/virtualenv |
| 04:14.31 | crazygir | /usr/bin/easy_install-2.6 |
| 04:14.34 | crazygir | I also have 2.5 |
| 04:14.49 | crazygir | I have no virtualenv |
| 04:14.53 | crazygir | atm |
| 04:15.52 | illovae | do you have easy_install under /usr/local/bin/? |
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| 04:16.18 | crazygir | yep, 2.6: /usr/local/bin/easy_install-2.6 |
| 04:16.24 | illovae | ok, that's it |
| 04:16.36 | illovae | when you invoke easy_install it use /usr/bin/easy_install-2.5 |
| 04:16.37 | crazygir | conflicts? |
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| 04:16.57 | illovae | but you need to use easy_install-2.6, everything is under /usr/local/bin/ |
| 04:17.01 | illovae | crazygir: yeah somehow |
| 04:17.21 | illovae | first you need to setup a good virtualenv |
| 04:17.22 | crazygir | let's remove 2.5... |
| 04:17.35 | crazygir | why? this is system python failing |
| 04:17.37 | illovae | yes you can do that |
| 04:17.39 | crazygir | why should I use virtualenv without pip even working.. |
| 04:18.40 | illovae | to get a clean isolated python environnement |
| 04:19.24 | crazygir | but the system should have a clean working python env.. |
| 04:19.43 | crazygir | and anyway.. easy_install should be used to install such an env, not apt |
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| 04:20.01 | bytetracker | sleep becons, have a good night all. |
| 04:20.09 | illovae | crazygir: yeah the system install it under /usr/bin/ ; it's clean ; if you make it by hand, it's going under /usr/local/bin/ by default; it's make you two env |
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| 04:20.39 | iluminator101 | what open source smart ocr program do you recommend ? |
| 04:21.48 | crazygir | illovae: I don't believe creating an isolated env is the way to go - the system python should not be dependent on something like virtualenv |
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| 04:21.57 | crazygir | but that said, how else could we proceed here? |
| 04:22.14 | illovae | crazygir: debian use apt for that because it's better for maintenance (it's the debian way of life) |
| 04:23.05 | crazygir | exactly |
| 04:23.30 | illovae | crazygir: ok, no problem for virtualenv; what do you mean by "how else"? use easy_install if it's feet your needs |
| 04:23.33 | crazygir | this is what I have been trying to do.. rebuild my virtualenvs from the system up |
| 04:23.45 | crazygir | easy_install fails, as noted above |
| 04:23.55 | crazygir | due to these weird errors about distributed |
| 04:24.01 | crazygir | *distribute |
| 04:24.03 | illovae | ok, but with /usr/local/bin/easy_install* too? |
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| 04:24.15 | crazygir | which did apt install? |
| 04:24.22 | crazygir | should be ok to remove the others, no? |
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| 04:25.11 | illovae | apt install things under /usr/bin/ |
| 04:25.11 | apt | ACTION runs yum -y localinstall things under /usr/bin/-4.2-1.noarch.rpm |
| 04:25.27 | illovae | the one under /usr/local/bin/ was installed by you I guess |
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| 04:25.53 | illovae | you have conflicts between the two, you have to do a choice |
| 04:26.12 | illovae | stick with the apt version, or use the one you put under /usr/local/bin/ |
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| 04:27.21 | crazygir | hah. |
| 04:27.22 | illovae | if something is broken with the apt version, reinstall it totally from apt; if you want to do it by hand use /usr/local/bin/easy_install after you removed the other python env |
| 04:27.29 | crazygir | here's a fun one: http://dpaste.com/725510/ |
| 04:27.50 | crazygir | I've rm'd the bits in /usr/local/bin/, reinstalled, and it's still confused |
| 04:28.40 | illovae | ok, I had been misunderstood somehow... apt install easy_install under /usr/bin *not* *under* /usr/local/bin/ |
| 04:29.15 | illovae | the /usr/local/bin/easy_install you remove wasn't installed by apt |
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| 04:31.08 | crazygir | that's my point.. |
| 04:31.21 | crazygir | I rm'd it to get rid of it and use what apt provided |
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| 04:31.43 | illovae | then use full path or reload your shell |
| 04:31.47 | crazygir | but when using easy_install, it still looked to /usr/local/bin for whatever reason |
| 04:31.52 | illovae | for now I mean |
| 04:32.06 | illovae | crazygir: yeah, it's because of the conflicts I guess |
| 04:32.20 | crazygir | weird shit |
| 04:32.54 | diniwed | just did a lenny->squeeze dist-upgrade and after reboot screen flashes and then goes black.. removed/blacklisted nouveau and I'm able to use the machine.. any ideas..? |
| 04:33.08 | crazygir | installing pip works when calling easy_install directly via /usr/bin |
| 04:33.10 | illovae | crazygir: ok does it work now? |
| 04:33.13 | illovae | crazygir: nice |
| 04:33.25 | crazygir | and pip install foo is working on a few things, we'll see how well that works |
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| 04:33.44 | illovae | crazygir: there may no problem at all from now |
| 04:33.50 | illovae | may be* |
| 04:33.53 | crazygir | i'm still a bit perplexed by how this came to be, and why the system seemed so unhappy coming around |
| 04:34.09 | illovae | s/there/they/ sorry I'm tired |
| 04:35.51 | illovae | crazygir: just conflicts, you load easy_install which point to /usr/local/bin/ and it search distribute under /usr/lib/python2.5 and don't find the good one |
| 04:36.55 | sheep | w/21 |
| 04:36.57 | sheep | oops |
| 04:37.14 | illovae | gtg now, bye |
| 04:37.55 | crazygir | thanks! |
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| 04:38.49 | crazygir | bah >< |
| 04:38.55 | crazygir | virtualenvwrapper still fails! |
| 04:39.47 | DinCahill | hi, I'm not sure how, but I've managed to get into a situation where I don't have gcc or g++. This bit about binutils has confused me: http://pastebin.com/hJS08Tjt |
| 04:40.02 | crazygir | why do these directories get these modes? drwxr-s--- 2 root users 4.0K Apr 2 00:34 virtualenvwrapper |
| 04:41.03 | sheep | ccb056: setgid on a directory causes new files in it to be owned by the group that owns the directory |
| 04:41.06 | DinCahill | it says it can't satisfy binutils (>= 2.20.1-15~), but I already have 2.20.1-16... |
| 04:41.08 | sheep | * crazygir |
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| 04:50.48 | crazygir | sheep: but does that directory have execute (open) perms? |
| 04:51.01 | sheep | crazygir: yes |
| 04:51.08 | somiaj | DinCahill: you are mixing unstable packages with squeeze, bad bad juju. |
| 04:51.32 | DinCahill | somiaj, of course |
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| 04:52.05 | DinCahill | the stable znc was pretty crusty |
| 04:52.20 | somiaj | DinCahill: well installing unstable packgaes on squeeze is a perfect way to get yourself in that situtation. Learn about backports. |
| 04:52.31 | somiaj | DinCahill: what you did usually breaks your system. |
| 04:52.44 | DinCahill | somiaj, I've not found backports to be that extensive |
| 04:53.04 | somiaj | make your own, many simple packages it isn't to difficult |
| 04:53.19 | DinCahill | I actually installed znc from unstable because I couldnt get znc to compile myself |
| 04:53.23 | somiaj | !tell DinCahill -about ssbp |
| 04:53.27 | crazygir | sheep: is this not due to being unable to read the directorying? http://dpaste.com/725522/ |
| 04:53.34 | DinCahill | some shit about fPIC |
| 04:53.46 | sheep | crazygir: no. see line 4 |
| 04:53.47 | crazygir | sheep: running that as root works fine |
| 04:54.05 | crazygir | sheep: unable to read the file would result in the same.. |
| 04:54.08 | sheep | I suspect some sort of environment var isn't set right for your user |
| 04:54.20 | sheep | but then shouldn;t it say it was unreadable? |
| 04:54.38 | somiaj | DinCahill: yea you pulled in many core libs from unstable with that package and that. That along with dependency issues like you are having. |
| 04:54.42 | crazygir | nope, it (python) is simply unable to find the module |
| 04:55.06 | crazygir | sheep: RE env, there's the user's PATH, and there's the python path |
| 04:55.25 | sheep | right |
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| 04:55.47 | crazygir | if I run python as the user, and print the python path, it includes what it needs to locate this module in /usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages |
| 04:56.26 | crazygir | sheep: this is totally a perms thing.. |
| 04:56.27 | DinCahill | somiaj, right, I'll check what unstable stuff I have installed and fix this shiz |
| 04:56.29 | crazygir | sheep: ls: cannot open directory /usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/virtualenvwrapper: Permission denied |
| 04:56.35 | sheep | try setting +x then |
| 04:56.44 | sheep | I misread the permissions |
| 04:57.08 | crazygir | this leads be back to another form of my question, how do i ensure that root installs python modules, but users can read them |
| 04:57.54 | crazygir | sheep: what's the proper way to fix this permissions issue? |
| 04:58.07 | sheep | chmod +x the directory |
| 04:59.49 | somiaj | DinCahill: aptitude search ~i~Aunstable |
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| 05:00.01 | DinCahill | somiaj, yeah I've got the list already |
| 05:00.04 | DinCahill | it's...horrendous |
| 05:00.08 | DinCahill | really fucking horrendous |
| 05:00.39 | somiaj | it will list extra ones |
| 05:00.54 | somiaj | it does it by the version and if package has the same version in unstable and stable it will be printed there |
| 05:00.55 | DinCahill | oh actually I'm listing way too many here |
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| 05:01.15 | somiaj | so you could compare it to aptitude search ~i~Astable |
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| 05:01.32 | DinCahill | I'm using apt-show-versions |
| 05:01.44 | crazygir | sheep: not that simple.. |
| 05:02.07 | DinCahill | it shows stuff like znc as znc/unknown uptodate 0.204-2 |
| 05:03.26 | DinCahill | ah, it also show stuff as /unknown which is from squeeze/updates |
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| 05:06.11 | crazygir | does this make _any_ sense? http://dpaste.com/725525/ |
| 05:06.41 | crazygir | you need to be root to install, but users ought to be able to use what is installed without issue |
| 05:06.59 | sheep | aha |
| 05:07.05 | sheep | +x is not set for others |
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| 05:07.55 | crazygir | there are two questions here, 1) how to fix now, and 2) how to prevent in the future, when I install more packages as root |
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| 05:11.15 | peterrooney | crazygir: the first question that comes to mind is, why not `aptitude install python2.6' ? |
| 05:12.27 | crazygir | peterrooney: you really don't understand the problem them |
| 05:12.29 | crazygir | *then |
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| 05:13.02 | crazygir | or, rather, you aren't really displaying any understanding |
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| 05:16.39 | nevyn | crazygir: users can't exec on the directory ie they can't list the directory |
| 05:16.54 | crazygir | i understand that |
| 05:17.10 | crazygir | chmod -R o+xr /foo is a temporary fix |
| 05:17.19 | nevyn | right. |
| 05:17.28 | nevyn | but this isn't stuff that's part of debian. |
| 05:17.33 | crazygir | how do I ensure this continues to work correctly once I use root to install another python module? |
| 05:17.52 | crazygir | it's group/user permissions |
| 05:17.58 | crazygir | it sure is a part of debian |
| 05:18.07 | crazygir | even if not installed with apt |
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| 05:19.56 | nevyn | nope. |
| 05:20.23 | nevyn | it may be the configuration of easy_install or something tho |
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| 05:20.32 | nevyn | but I have no idea about that. |
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| 05:21.27 | civillian | was suhosin moved into php5 proper in wheezy? I can't find /usr/lib/php5/20100525/suhosin.so |
| 05:22.32 | crazygir | okies, thanks |
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| 05:52.29 | hellop | Hello. Is there a way that I can block a port or IP range so that I don't see those ports/ips in iftop? I have shorewall blocking port 137-139 and see entries in the logs, but I still see the annoying windows boxes. |
| 05:53.07 | SpComb | iftop -f 'not ...' |
| 05:53.11 | nevyn | don't log just drop |
| 05:53.24 | um__ | do new entries in /etc/hosts require a restart of anything (server/service) ? |
| 05:53.33 | nevyn | nope. |
| 05:53.41 | nevyn | nssd if you're running it |
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| 06:00.21 | hellop | nevyn: that didn't seem to help... |
| 06:05.32 | hellop | SpComb: that seems to work: iftop -f 'not port 137', But how do I figure out what valid filter codes are? |
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| 06:10.25 | the9a3eedi | Ok.. so my earlier complaint about gtk3 being slow.. I guess I was mistaken. I just compiled audacious with gtk2 support instead of 3, and it's still slow lol |
| 06:10.38 | the9a3eedi | perhaps it's my drivers or something, I seriously cannot tell |
| 06:10.52 | hellop | iftop -f 'not port 137 or 139' works but syntax error 137:139 and 137-139 and 137 to 139, maybe I don't know how to a read a man page properly? How do I find this info? |
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| 06:14.40 | SpComb | hellop: man tcpdump |
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| 06:15.32 | SpComb | hellop: although it's been moved to `man pcap-filter` recently |
| 06:15.58 | hellop | tks.. yes if I'm in a man page and I see something like "See pcap-filter(7)". What's the 7 and how do I get to it? |
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| 06:16.23 | SpComb | hellop: `man 7 pcap-filter`; it's the section |
| 06:16.33 | SpComb | there may be pages in different sections with the same name |
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| 06:16.38 | hellop | god thanks, I've wondered that for so long |
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| 06:17.08 | hellop | Thank you so much so it's iftop -f 'not portrange 137-139' |
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| 06:28.14 | DinCahill | right, I've fixed my clusterfuck of unstable packages |
| 06:28.38 | TheCoffeMaker | DinCahill, congrats! |
| 06:28.54 | DinCahill | but now getting some fun things trying to build mumble-server |
| 06:29.15 | DinCahill | what was the command for dpkg (the irc bot) to tell you how to make your own backports? |
| 06:29.32 | nevyn | !tell DinCahill about backports |
| 06:29.46 | DinCahill | !dpkg debian-backports |
| 06:29.46 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>. |
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| 06:29.59 | hellop | HAPPINESS: iftop -n -N -P -f 'not portrange 137-139 and not port (21250 or 17500 or 1220 or 6000 or 1947 or 5355 or 5678)' |
| 06:30.13 | nevyn | DinCahill: msg te bot. and you probably want simple sid backport |
| 06:30.17 | DinCahill | !dpkg simple-sid-backport |
| 06:30.23 | DinCahill | !dpkg simple sid backport |
| 06:30.24 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 06:30.25 | hellop | Fucking chattery windows boxes on my provider's network |
| 06:30.27 | DinCahill | thats the one |
| 06:30.31 | nevyn | DinCahill: I just asked you not to do that... |
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| 06:30.40 | DinCahill | nevyn: sorry I wasnt watching |
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| 06:33.47 | TheCoffeMaker | I'm installing a arml debian, which window manager would you choose with small footprint and for a little screen ? |
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| 06:33.57 | DinCahill | if I build a package from unstable and install it, what will apt-get do when there's a new version available in unstable? |
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| 06:34.27 | nevyn | nothing. |
| 06:34.33 | DinCahill | good |
| 06:34.59 | nevyn | if you add a backports source and install it from that using pinning it'll upgrade it |
| 06:35.16 | DinCahill | yeah yeah |
| 06:35.28 | tqft | hi, new fresh debian wheezy install, I am trying to get my tv card to work details at pasty http://pastebin.com/ajgL2gqy , I suspect it is the modprobe syntax I have screwed, have installed firmware, card previously worked with ubuntu 11.10 (which has gone to the great bit bucket in the sky) |
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| 06:37.17 | DinCahill | also, if I'm gonna be building from unstable source, won't I need unstable build-deps? |
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| 06:38.01 | TheCoffeMaker | DinCahill, if there are no interface changes you wouldnt |
| 06:38.19 | DinCahill | one sec I'll get the errors |
| 06:38.34 | TheCoffeMaker | yes |
| 06:39.02 | TheCoffeMaker | and then you can know which ones will need to be updated |
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| 06:40.44 | DinCahill | ok, here's one: I need libboost1.46-dev, which is from unstable. That requires the unstable version of libstdc++6. what do? |
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| 06:43.36 | DinCahill | hmm, so perhaps I need to set up a build environment for the backports |
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| 06:43.47 | hellop | Question about routing. Say I have two NICs with different ISPs/routers with one default route on eth0. Say I want Apache bound to eth0 and ftpd bound to eth0. In my test if a client request a TCP connection everything works correctly. Is it true that UDP connections will not work over the second NIC? |
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| 06:44.30 | samantha-r-- | hellop: no. it depends on what daemon is listening. |
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| 06:51.02 | hellop | But for the most part, if I'm listening it will work. If I initiate a connection or send UDP it will go over the default route? |
| 06:51.34 | hellop | samantha-r--: or do you have any examples of the difference I could look up? |
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| 07:05.33 | hellop | whoops, I guess ifconfig eth0:0 down turns off eth0 also... |
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| 07:10.10 | Iridos | people often remark on that :) |
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| 07:14.54 | slikts | why isn't openntpd in the repos? |
| 07:15.15 | slikts | how do I get ntpd |
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| 07:15.39 | slikts | is the ntpd package called just "ntp"? |
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| 07:16.15 | nevyn | !package ntp |
| 07:16.42 | nevyn | slikts: yes |
| 07:16.56 | slikts | what's the difference between it and openntpd? |
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| 07:17.35 | derebel | slikts, openntpd shows in the repos for me running squeeze and main/contrib and non-free repos |
| 07:17.44 | slikts | strange |
| 07:18.00 | slikts | derebel: could you show me what your sources are, please? |
| 07:18.04 | slikts | mine are probably wrong |
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| 07:18.39 | derebel | http://pastebin.com/hkMxqprx |
| 07:18.53 | slikts | thanks |
| 07:18.55 | derebel | last line is just for mongodb, so you probably don't need that, and that's for squeeze of course |
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| 07:21.00 | slikts | I was missing contrib and non-free |
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| 07:22.24 | slikts | my sources.list is now like this but openntpd is still not there: http://paste.debian.net/161740/ |
| 07:23.10 | derebel | did you update? |
| 07:23.13 | slikts | yes |
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| 07:23.37 | derebel | are you running squeeze? |
| 07:23.40 | slikts | yes |
| 07:23.47 | slikts | I updated, and when I do "apt-cache search openntpd" nothing shows up |
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| 07:25.34 | derebel | http://paste.debian.net/161741/ weird, that's one of my servers running squeeze, not sure whats wrong but it's there |
| 07:25.35 | sephii | !version openntpd |
| 07:25.59 | slikts | :/ |
| 07:26.00 | sephii | ,version openntpd |
| 07:26.02 | judd | Package: openntpd on i386 -- lenny: 3.9p1-7; squeeze-backports: 3.9p1+debian-8~bpo60+1; sid: 3.9p1+debian-9; wheezy: 3.9p1+debian-9; experimental: 20080406p-1 |
| 07:26.09 | BotaniCar | I have a large ammount of text files ( archived mail) from which i'd like to remove the topmost header ( was doing a imap migration of mail, so i'd like to delete that header , and have a recieve time from pre-migration when wieving mail sorted by date recieved). Can someone suggest a way to do it ? |
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| 07:26.41 | slikts | looks like I should use backports |
| 07:26.59 | derebel | or d |
| 07:27.03 | derebel | or dl and compile |
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| 07:27.07 | slikts | lol, no |
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| 07:27.32 | derebel | it's not that bad :P |
| 07:27.39 | slikts | I know what it's like |
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| 07:28.01 | slikts | compiling binaries for no reason is mainly stupid |
| 07:28.23 | sephii | slikts: why don't you just use the "ntp" package? |
| 07:28.23 | derebel | s/stupid/educational |
| 07:28.50 | slikts | because I'm biased towards bsd |
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| 07:30.09 | sephii | slikts: well it's just an ntp program, it will work just the same |
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| 07:30.13 | sephii | or at least it should |
| 07:30.44 | styler | hi... is there a way to install debian stable but specify a different kernel to install? by providing one on a usb stick or something? |
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| 07:31.12 | Christophe | Does someone could help me redirect stderr to a variable? |
| 07:31.44 | slikts | derebel: how is it educational? |
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| 07:31.54 | Christophe | I just want to capture stderr and not normal output |
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| 07:36.12 | hanibana | hi |
| 07:36.17 | hanibana | I have two webmails on server A which both connects to a single IMAP server on another server (B). I want to get dumps using tshark on server A (imap port), but just the dumps of one of webmails. How can I differentiate between these two? I'm trying to use iptables to define a local port which be DNATed to server B which used by one of webmails. Any solution? |
| 07:36.32 | hanibana | hi |
| 07:38.00 | jelly-home | hanibana: can you not configure the single imap server to listen on multiple ports, and configure one of the webmails to use an alternate port |
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| 07:39.20 | jelly-home | or use a tcp proxy like redir |
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| 07:45.15 | hanibana | jelly-home: nice suggestions. thanks. |
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| 07:48.38 | peterrooney | hanibana: also, doesn't wireshark have connection following, assembling all components of a captured TCP dialogue? (been a while) |
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| 07:50.07 | hanibana | peterrooney: don't know. I should take a look... |
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| 07:59.11 | cousin_luigi | Hello. |
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| 08:01.33 | cousin_luigi | is trying to rebuild a package after applying a 3rd party patch, but dpkg-buildpackage notices the change and doesn't go through with it. What would be the cleanest way to do so? |
| 08:02.26 | cousin_luigi | Perhaps adding an entry to debian/patches/debian-changes-x.y.z ? |
| 08:04.08 | ycat | Christophe: you might create a temp file and assign its content to a var |
| 08:04.41 | Christophe | ycat, thanks I've got another solution |
| 08:04.54 | Christophe | myvar=$(/tmp/test.sh 3<&2 2>&1 1>&3) |
| 08:05.01 | Christophe | It does exactly what I wan |
| 08:05.03 | Christophe | *want |
| 08:06.05 | hellop | cousin_luigi: hey, your last names doesn't start with A does it? |
| 08:06.40 | cousin_luigi | hellop: ? |
| 08:06.50 | hellop | Your last name. |
| 08:06.57 | hellop | starts with the letter A? |
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| 08:07.33 | cousin_luigi | hellop: Why would you ask me such a thing? |
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| 08:07.49 | cousin_luigi | Anyway it doesn't. |
| 08:08.10 | Christophe | Does anybody could tell me where I could find debian archive URL to put in my /etc/apt/source.list |
| 08:08.11 | Christophe | ? |
| 08:08.16 | hellop | long story.. you'd have to be pretty high to get it.. |
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| 08:10.04 | vtts | Christophe, e.g: deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 08:10.58 | blue_sky | worried about my server, a bunch of directories were changed yesterday at 12.30 when there were no staff here. They, and some files, now have permissions of rw-rwSrw what's the upper-case S? |
| 08:11.15 | Iridos | dpkg, tell Christophe about make sources.list |
| 08:11.27 | Christophe | Thanks vtts for the example |
| 08:11.29 | Iridos | dammit, again wrong factoid name |
| 08:11.36 | Christophe | :P |
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| 08:11.45 | Iridos | dpkg, tell Christophe about make squeeze sources.list |
| 08:12.11 | Iridos | bah, and I'm sure it had that name 2 weeks ago |
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| 08:12.26 | Iridos | oh... etch? |
| 08:12.30 | Christophe | :D |
| 08:12.31 | Christophe | Lenny |
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| 08:13.22 | Iridos | /o\ |
| 08:14.46 | blue_sky | found answer to upper case S in perms - 'undefined bit-state' |
| 08:15.15 | Christophe | Its good for me Iridos |
| 08:15.24 | Christophe | It is as vtts said |
| 08:15.38 | Christophe | Was an example, I've replace "etch" by "lenny" |
| 08:15.48 | Iridos | yeah |
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| 08:18.49 | marasy | what determines device naming? like /dev/sda etc |
| 08:19.02 | ksk | in recent debian versions: udev |
| 08:19.06 | Iridos | blue_sky, how'd one ever be able to get that? |
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| 08:21.37 | Iridos | blue_sky, also where did you find that? |
| 08:22.00 | marasy | how could i set a device to have a static name, i tried /dev/mapper.. to /dev/sda -- but i guess thats wrong |
| 08:22.34 | Iridos | blue_sky, I thought capital S .... is suid-bit when you haven't also set "x" .... well, guess you could call that "undefined", as suid without executable rights for the user/group doesn't make any sense |
| 08:23.12 | Iridos | right |
| 08:23.45 | Iridos | blue_sky, touch testtt; chmod g+s testtt; ls -la testt |
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| 08:25.18 | Iridos | and yeah... magically appearing suid bits on files are a reason to worry... although the apparent inaptitude shown by the missing exectuable flag could do something for ones reassurance |
| 08:26.39 | blue_sky | Iridos: that's how the perms are, I don't know how it's happened though |
| 08:27.16 | blue_sky | Iridos: I mean that they're rw-rwSrw- which agress with what you say |
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| 08:28.43 | Iridos | marasy, what device are we talking of |
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| 08:29.16 | Iridos | probably... |
| 08:29.19 | Iridos | dpkg, udev rules |
| 08:29.19 | dpkg | file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html (removed at udev v151), or read it online at http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
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| 08:34.02 | Hadrian | is anybody here? |
| 08:35.24 | streuner | heh |
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| 08:37.58 | streuner | wth is going on? Hadrian> is anybody here? * Hadrian hat die Verbindung getrennt (Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.))) |
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| 08:44.28 | Iridos | he'll have been in other channels? |
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| 08:45.54 | Makdaam | hello |
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| 08:47.15 | streuner | Iridos: that or the bot did something wrong, i have no idea |
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| 08:48.18 | ompaul | Makdaam: you won't get 1182 hellos back I promise :) |
| 08:48.24 | streuner | Iridos: there is an easy way to test it ;-) |
| 08:48.45 | streuner | Iridos: (just say the same thing again) :-) |
| 08:48.53 | ompaul | streuner: in #freenode maybe it wasn't here |
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| 08:49.36 | Makdaam | ompaul: yeah, I expected some kind of token algorithm to resolve who responds to my hello |
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| 08:50.24 | jelly | it was ompaul's turn this time. |
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| 08:51.49 | ompaul | hands jelly the token |
| 08:52.17 | ompaul | tries to find unpossible information |
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| 08:52.27 | jelly | I don't have drivers for that network. |
| 08:52.39 | jelly | drops the token on the floor |
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| 08:53.43 | Iridos | nah... it's alphabetical... so next time obiwahn has to answer a "hello" |
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| 08:56.45 | s6 | hi, i reconfig locales, but users echo $LANG still empty, with root its ok. |
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| 09:00.22 | nsadmin | I would think your users would have to set $LANG |
| 09:01.23 | Iridos | nah... locales configuration sets that somewhere? |
| 09:01.35 | Iridos | dpkg, LANG |
| 09:01.35 | dpkg | $LANG is an environment variable in a user's .profile or .bash_profile which determines which localization is in effect. Typical values for LANG are e.g. en_US,es_ES or de_DE. Programs read it and switch their output to the language specified. |
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| 09:02.52 | Iridos | well, mine is set |
| 09:02.57 | Iridos | can't remember what I did to set it |
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| 09:03.15 | s6 | mine isnt set |
| 09:03.19 | s6 | but work on other server |
| 09:03.51 | s6 | locales makes default? |
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| 09:04.06 | guardian | hi |
| 09:04.08 | nsadmin | s6, try setting it now |
| 09:04.29 | s6 | nsadmin and i have to set it always when i adding a new user? |
| 09:04.32 | guardian | perl complains LC_ALL is unset, I did dpkg-reconfigure locales but it didn't fix it. is there a system wide solution? compared to exporting LC_ALL in my .bash_profile? |
| 09:04.45 | nsadmin | your user would set it |
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| 09:05.09 | s6 | nsadmin and i can not set a default lang? |
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| 09:05.28 | nsadmin | aftar all... you don't know what locale he's going to want before you add him |
| 09:05.44 | nsadmin | locales is a collection of translations |
| 09:05.57 | nsadmin | it's not a default setting for that |
| 09:06.05 | Iridos | s6, add it to /etc/profile or /etc/bash.bashrc ... and I keep forgetting which is loaded when... profile only on a login-shell, basb.bashrc on ... well, it's in man bash |
| 09:06.05 | nsadmin | and |
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| 09:06.27 | Iridos | or |
| 09:06.59 | nsadmin | yes, you can, by setting up their .bash_profile, .bashrc or maybe .environment |
| 09:07.26 | Iridos | and I think it's set in some gdm3 config for me? |
| 09:08.02 | cousin_luigi | is trying to rebuild a package after applying a 3rd party patch, but dpkg-buildpackage notices the change and doesn't go through with it. What would be the cleanest way to do so? |
| 09:08.22 | Iridos | s6, actually, if that is a machine that you ssh into as a certain user, LANG should be taken along from the account you connect from |
| 09:08.51 | nsadmin | Iridos, to find that definitively, read man bash, FILES section |
| 09:08.59 | nsadmin | (for bash) |
| 09:09.46 | Iridos | cousin_luigi, you said so up there... add the patch to the debian patches and have it applied... you could also ask #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net ... there's more maintainerrs hanging out there, they should know |
| 09:10.21 | Iridos | nsadmin, right... but as I keep forgetting, no point :) and HE wanted to know how to automatically have it loaded each time :) |
| 09:11.45 | s6 | http://pastebin.com/t2JznDS4 here it works fine |
| 09:12.14 | s6 | by default |
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| 09:13.52 | nairb- | any one know of a good debian 6.0.1 ebs 64b ec2 ami besides the rightscale one? |
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| 09:14.12 | cousin_luigi | Iridos: Thanks, I will. |
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| 09:23.31 | xnonymous | hi guys, I am trying to creating a VPS hoting setup but I don't know where to start. Could anyone give me pointers pls?.. |
| 09:23.51 | xnonymous | *to create a VPS hosting |
| 09:24.53 | ksk | install a vps-hosting-software` |
| 09:24.55 | ksk | ? |
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| 09:25.37 | xnonymous | @ksk is that a package? |
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| 09:25.56 | jargon- | xnonymous: which vps host are u using? |
| 09:26.22 | tc_userme | i won't use xen and vmware |
| 09:26.31 | SLFCore | use openvz |
| 09:26.37 | xnonymous | I am actually installing Debian in a VMware workstation |
| 09:27.00 | xnonymous | I'd to imitate the setup of VPS hosting sites out there :) |
| 09:27.08 | xnonymous | out of curiosity |
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| 09:28.08 | xnonymous | tc_userme: you mean I should to this in a dedicated server? |
| 09:28.22 | epsilon | tc_userme: why not xen? |
| 09:28.49 | tc_userme | because chinese are epic promoting |
| 09:29.06 | xnonymous | SLFCore: so I would just install bare Debian and install openvz, is that correct?.. |
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| 09:30.05 | s6 | nsadmin, Iridos thx for help, "UsePAM yes" in sshd_conf solved my problem |
| 09:30.37 | SLFCore | xnonymous: openvz works great with CentOS, is there any reason why you are using debian? |
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| 09:31.52 | xnonymous | I don't know, I am fan of Ubuntu and Debian haha. Also, some of my clients' hosting are using Debian :) |
| 09:32.22 | xnonymous | SLFCore: so I thought I'd play with Debian |
| 09:32.47 | SLFCore | xnonymous: it all depends on the purpose that you will be using your VPS for...if it is for mainly for VPN and web server, I would personally go with CentOS ;) |
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| 09:34.51 | xnonymous | SLFCore: Yah it's for webserver. So I take it that Debian isn't great for VPS setup?.. |
| 09:35.34 | SLFCore | xnonymous: care to share specifications of how much power you are giving to your VPS? |
| 09:38.12 | xnonymous | SLFCore: I am not really sure. I have not even administered a web server myself -- just xampp or wamp installation. I am just a noob wordpress developer lol. That's why I ask for pointers on where to start :) |
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| 09:39.02 | SLFCore | xnonymous: are you buying a vps package online? |
| 09:40.32 | xnonymous | SLFCore: I am planning buying one from Linode -- that's what other hackers(not that I am a hacker) recommend. But I don't know if a VPS would allow another VPS setup withint it? |
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| 09:41.31 | SLFCore | xnonymous: make sure you ask that first...my VPS doesn't |
| 09:41.34 | xnonymous | SLFCore: I am not sure how VPS hosting works. That's why I'd like to setup one. Thought it would be fun :) |
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| 09:42.06 | mashed | does anyone know if that network notice was an april fools or not? |
| 09:42.26 | SLFCore | xnonymous: Linode is sort of expensive compared to other VPS providers...if its just for the learning purpose in the beginning, i recommend you not. |
| 09:42.35 | SLFCore | xnonymous: it has a lot to deal with SSH |
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| 09:43.02 | SLFCore | xnonymous: so i suggest you go for this - http://www.hostmediauk.com/web-hosting/vps/ |
| 09:43.12 | SLFCore | xnonymous: its one of the cheapest out there |
| 09:43.27 | SLFCore | xnonymous: and you can ask for ubuntu too |
| 09:43.30 | SLFCore | but centos i great |
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| 09:44.41 | xnonymous | SLFCore: I see. Thanks for the heads up. And I would look into that hosting. It does allow VPS setup right? |
| 09:45.30 | icecdocorp | http://www.hostmediauk.com/web-hosting/vps/ |
| 09:45.43 | SLFCore | xnonymous: that link will show you different packages for VPS per month...i have used there service for just $5 a month and had my own webserver and openvpn |
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| 09:49.11 | xnonymous | SLFCore: great, thanks! so I would just play with openvz to start with? |
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| 09:50.36 | SLFCore | xnonymous: yes, but you have to remember 2 things...when you buy a VPS, make sure you know the essentials of SSH and also the commands for the operating system, AND also, don't go with cPanel in the starting, download Webmin for your VPS...its free..make sure you don't end up paying for extra for just having to learn |
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| 09:51.41 | SLFCore | xnonymous: by the way, there is 1 very critical thing |
| 09:52.25 | SLFCore | the hosting provider will know the password for the VPS and also for the Root!! so make sure it is different from your email and other important accounts |
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| 09:53.05 | xnonymous | SLFCore: what's that?.. |
| 09:53.26 | xnonymous | SLFCore: Opps, I see it.. |
| 09:53.37 | nkuttler | doh. use different passwords for everything |
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| 09:54.01 | simonlnu | omg, webmin? wtf. |
| 09:54.18 | SLFCore | Webmin is like a GUI for handling all the Server configs with the help of GUI |
| 09:54.23 | SLFCore | if you are newbie to SSH |
| 09:54.26 | nkuttler | !webmin |
| 09:54.26 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 09:54.26 | SLFCore | then go for Webmin |
| 09:54.29 | SLFCore | much simpler |
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| 09:56.47 | xnonymous | SLFCore: Ok. Thanks a lot for your help! I really appreciate it :) |
| 09:57.30 | SLFCore | xnonymous: not a problem. everyone is here to help :) Enjoy your VPS :) |
| 09:57.36 | ksk | btw i may not install openvz, there will be no openvz support in wheezy! |
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| 09:58.01 | ksk | ( i do like openvz and use it mysqlf, but if you want to stick with debian...) |
| 09:58.02 | SLFCore | ksk: most of the online VPS hosts do not provide debian |
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| 09:58.29 | ksk | SLFCore: i dont believe you |
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| 09:58.36 | ksk | but has nothing to to with what i said anyways :> |
| 09:58.41 | ksk | *to do |
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| 09:59.48 | SLFCore | ksk: i too use debian, and for my VPS i opted for centos due to compatibility issues |
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| 10:01.07 | ksk | I run debian userland with official vz-kernel,vzctl etc pp. up to now no problems.. |
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| 10:10.03 | nairb- | found a better one, ami-80e915e9 |
| 10:10.31 | nairb- | if anyone cared |
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| 10:11.17 | tc_userme | what's that? |
| 10:11.51 | nairb- | an ec2 ami... i was trying to find a better debian one to run on ec2. that one ^ is better than the rightscale one I was using before. |
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| 10:14.18 | visof | hello |
| 10:14.41 | visof | how can i know which distribution my server run and what is the package manager it use ? |
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| 10:15.40 | nairb- | visof: cat /etc/issue |
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| 10:16.34 | nairb- | visof: the package manager is almost certainly either going to be apt-get or yum. you can just see which command gives you a "command not found" error. generally debian/ubuntu/mint based distros use apt-get and redhat/centos/fedora based distros use yum. |
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| 10:17.13 | babilen | !tell visof -about version |
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| 10:19.45 | visof | i try to install some packages but i got that http://pastie.org/3713690 |
| 10:19.48 | visof | how can i fix that ? |
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| 10:20.29 | cantido | lenny isnt on the normal mirrors anymore IIRC |
| 10:20.52 | cantido | hell, it even says so in the /topic |
| 10:21.03 | Sevet | !tell visof about lenny->squeeze |
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| 10:22.19 | themill | subscribes visof to debian-announce and debian-security-announce |
| 10:22.21 | visof | Sevet, i don't want to upgrade i just need to install some packages |
| 10:22.31 | babilen | visof: Please also read (and follow!) the release notes for Squeeze. They explain the upgrade process in great detail and it is *very* important that you follow them and are aware of the differences between lenny and squeeze. (/msg dpkg release notes) |
| 10:22.48 | cantido | visof: why do you want to stick with lenny? |
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| 10:23.06 | cantido | thinks there could be valid reasons before everyone bashes him |
| 10:23.23 | visof | haha |
| 10:23.37 | themill | visof: I presume that you are aware that lenny hasn't had security support for almost two months now. |
| 10:23.39 | visof | just want to do that |
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| 10:23.54 | cantido | not everyone cares about security ;) |
| 10:24.15 | nkuttler | !lenny security |
| 10:24.16 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
| 10:24.17 | visof | but is it possible to install the packages i want with lenny |
| 10:24.39 | cantido | visof: ^ |
| 10:24.45 | nkuttler | visof: lenny was removed from the mirrors |
| 10:25.13 | visof | nkuttler, can i install the packages i want as squeeze ? |
| 10:25.31 | nkuttler | visof: what do you mean? probably noa |
| 10:25.41 | themill | visof: please read all of what dpkg had to say |
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| 10:25.46 | visof | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main change that to : deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
| 10:25.48 | visof | ? |
| 10:26.03 | nkuttler | !tell visof about lenny->squeeze |
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| 10:26.15 | babilen | visof: I would strongly recommend to upgrade to squeeze *NOW* -- Why are you so reluctant to do that? |
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| 10:26.33 | themill | visof: stop. Decide if you are going to run the unsupported lenny release or if you are going to upgrade to squeeze. Don't do some braindead mixture of the two. |
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| 10:26.48 | nkuttler | visof: and make backups before and check the release notes |
| 10:26.48 | visof | when updating linux firmware will anything happen ? |
| 10:26.51 | cantido | some people do have internal systems that they dont care about security etc and would rather to just have it working .. |
| 10:27.14 | nkuttler | cantido: is this relevant? |
| 10:27.34 | visof | i'm afraid when i do that i got something wrong , this server isn't mine |
| 10:27.43 | themill | cantido: every time someone says "perimeter firewall" and puts their hands over their ears and says "lalalala" as loudly as possible, I kill a kitten. |
| 10:27.57 | cantido | nkuttler: well, it seems it is possible to get the lenny iso (which would have the packages).. so there is no need for everyone to keep screaming lenny->squeeze or you die |
| 10:28.16 | visof | the server run some sites for the company i'm working in and i'm afraid if there is somethings wrong happen |
| 10:28.43 | cantido | visof: well, if its on the interwebs you should upgrade it or migrate the stuff off of it asap |
| 10:29.05 | cantido | if you dont want to break that machine get another one |
| 10:29.50 | visof | cantido, i can't both i just want to install autoconf and automake |
| 10:29.51 | themill | visof: sounds like you need to read what dpkg said about lenny carefully so that you can finish this task and install lenny packages today. You also need to get your management to give you the support and authorisation you need to do a lenny->squeeze upgrade. Ideally, you would have done that upgrade sometime in the last 14 months... |
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| 10:30.25 | cantido | imagines a whole company's web, mail etc running off of a dusty lenny machine under someones desk |
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| 10:31.06 | themill | cantido: yep. With a vulnerable MTA, php web app and kernel thrown in for good measure. |
| 10:31.07 | visof | cantido, it's very small company |
| 10:31.07 | cantido | visof: well, "For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. |
| 10:31.21 | themill | cantido: he doesn't want to install lenny, he doesn't want ISO images. |
| 10:31.34 | cantido | themill: he can add them as a source and get the packages |
| 10:31.41 | cantido | themill: if there are no mirrors |
| 10:31.46 | themill | cantido: wtf would he do that... |
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| 10:31.56 | themill | encourages people to actually read the entire factoid |
| 10:32.09 | cantido | themill: ugh, apt can use CD/DVD sources you know |
| 10:32.19 | themill | the section « ask me about <lenny sources.list>» would possibly be more relevant, no? |
| 10:32.38 | visof | please anyone help me |
| 10:32.50 | themill | that way you can download a few MB of packages rather than 30GB of DVDs.... |
| 10:33.19 | cantido | themill: missed that, either way the packages he wants are out there |
| 10:33.47 | themill | sure. |
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| 10:34.07 | cantido | so he can either learn to read what dpkg told him.. or die trying |
| 10:34.10 | visof | i want to install these packages m4 autoconf autotools-dev automake |
| 10:34.17 | babilen | visof: Please see what themill *and* dpkg said earlier. The factoid above references <lenny sources.list> which contains valid deb lines for lenny (in the archive) -- Please note once again that running lenny *is no option* anymore and that you have to upgrade to squeeze *NOW* |
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| 10:34.42 | themill | visof: what are you trying to do that you need development packages on that machine? |
| 10:35.03 | cantido | I guess once he has those packages installed and whatever app these people want installed running he'll leg it.. no squeeze for that machine ;~ |
| 10:35.16 | visof | themill, want to install another some packages that depend on these packages |
| 10:35.28 | themill | visof: please be more precise... |
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| 10:35.53 | visof | themill, want to install ruby1.9.3 using rvm that need these packages |
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| 10:36.33 | babilen | cries |
| 10:36.39 | cantido | I cant see this ending well |
| 10:36.53 | themill | visof: as a general rule, if you're installing and upgrading other major parts of the stack, then you really don't get to claim that this machine is "too important to be upgraded to a supported release" |
| 10:37.44 | visof | themill, if i upgraded maybe any package break ? |
| 10:38.18 | themill | I would imagine any ruby-related package would break if you did that, yes |
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| 10:38.51 | cantido | visof: are you going to install ruby from source? |
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| 10:39.25 | cantido | lenny seems to only have ruby 1.8 |
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| 10:41.01 | visof | cantido, can i install these packages from the source? |
| 10:41.06 | visof | m4 and automake ? |
| 10:41.20 | visof | all of them m4 autoconf autotools-dev automake |
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| 10:42.33 | cantido | maybe.. it seems a bit insane to add more stuff to a box that already needs to be upgraded or decommissioned |
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| 10:44.13 | themill | (and ruby 1.9.2 is available in lenny-backports if you're really going to persist with this madness) |
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| 10:45.02 | cantido | using backports is probably less mad than building most of the userland from scratch to get ruby running.. heh |
| 10:45.41 | xand | wasn't aware that lenny was still supported :) |
| 10:45.56 | cantido | xand: its not, thats the main issue here |
| 10:46.03 | xand | right. |
| 10:46.07 | themill | xand: yeah, we covered that one half-an-hour ago :( |
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| 10:47.06 | cantido | isnt sure why people that dont want to manage servers dont just pay for managed hosting.. |
| 10:47.14 | babilen | is confused by the ruby package naming scheme: Package: ruby1.9.1 on i386 -- squeeze: 1.9.2.0-2; sid: 1.9.3.0-2; wtf? |
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| 10:47.30 | nairb- | hmmm..... so.... I don't want root logins on my box. I setup sudo for one account, and chch to /dev/null for root. Isn't that the normal way? now I have another user I want to chsh on, but when I sudo chsh username it asks me for a password. why would I need a password if I'm doing it as root? I can sudo bash and other such stuff just fine. |
| 10:47.37 | themill | visof: have you written to your manager yet to tell them that this box must be upgraded 2 months (at least) ago and that you need to schedule some downtime to do this and/or get a replacement box to be able to do this as a cut-over? |
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| 10:48.18 | indicator | Hi, how should I go about upgrading chromium-browser to more of its later version? |
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| 10:49.08 | cantido | indicator: if you're running stable you would need to get a backport |
| 10:49.26 | babilen | visof: Ok, to make it short: Please upgrade your server to squeeze which will give you access to ruby 1.9.2 (the package is confusingly names ruby1.9.1) -- It is, in my opinion, the only sensible approach to what you are trying to achieve. All other approaches will lead to security problems and, probably, a broken system and therefore enscheduled downtime. |
| 10:49.30 | indicator | cantido, could you elaborate of backports? |
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| 10:50.20 | themill | visof: if you think you'd be in trouble for breaking the machine by upgrading it, think about what sort of trouble you'll be in when you get unwelcome visitors on your box because you have knowingly not kept up with security support for it. Ignoring this isn't a viable option. |
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| 10:51.03 | cantido | or the ruby app doesnt work anyways because all the stuff in lenny is far too old to run it |
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| 11:07.12 | jiero | hi, all I have a question: I just inserted an ATI HD 2400 Pro card into my desktop which used to run on intel graphic. Then, it won't startup properly, even recovery mode. The upper 1/2 of the screen is full of noise and also a warning like "analog" reported by monitor. |
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| 11:08.21 | nairb- | anyone have any idea how/why sudo bash; chsh <user> would ask for a password on one system and not on another? |
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| 11:09.41 | project2501a | nairb-: yes, because sudo bash does not perform a login action. it just executes the bash shell, and exists |
| 11:09.55 | project2501a | so, after the execution, you are left back in userland |
| 11:10.40 | nairb- | project2501a: any idea how I fix it so it behaves like my other server (where it works) ? |
| 11:11.24 | nairb- | project2501a: one is ubuntu (which doesn't actually really have a root user) and one is debian... both are ec2 instances |
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| 11:12.01 | project2501a | nairb-: which one is the one that "does not work"? ubuntu or debian? |
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| 11:12.33 | nairb- | project2501a: in ubuntu it works, in debian it doesn't |
| 11:12.42 | project2501a | well, debian is not ubuntu |
| 11:12.46 | somiaj | have you checked the sudoers file to see if there is a difference. |
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| 11:13.31 | nairb- | project2501a: yeah I realize that... but I want to have a user that sudo's to do everything and disable the root account (which I did by changing root's shell to /dev/null) ... now I have a situation where there's one (and so far only one) command I can't run through sudo |
| 11:14.16 | nairb- | somiaj: yeah, the sudoers files are basically identical, except that in ubuntu the group used is admin instead of sudo |
| 11:15.03 | nairb- | should I just add my sudoing user to the "root" group on debian to get the functionality I want? I'm not sure what it is chsh is checking to decide I should enter the users password |
| 11:15.09 | themill | there could easily be a difference in pam for chsh between the two too. (but this is wrong on so many levels I don't know where to start) |
| 11:15.09 | farkyoo | n |
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| 11:15.32 | project2501a | nairb-: you do not have to run "sudo bash; chown <whatever>" . you can just do "sudo chown <whatever>"; may i also suggest you read the sudo man page please? |
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| 11:15.46 | nairb- | themill: well, what's the right way then? I don't want root to have a login on this system. I'm happy doing everything through sudo. |
| 11:15.46 | project2501a | what themill said |
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| 11:16.13 | nairb- | project2501a: sudo chsh <username> also asks for a password in debian (but not in ubuntu). |
| 11:16.16 | project2501a | nairb-: passwd - -l root |
| 11:16.24 | project2501a | nairb-: passwd -l root |
| 11:16.27 | project2501a | end of story |
| 11:16.29 | project2501a | no login |
| 11:16.47 | project2501a | well, ubuntu is slightly retarded, but that's an other issue |
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| 11:17.37 | nairb- | project2501a: ok, maybe that's a better way of disabling login for root, but that still doesn't enable me to sudo chsh for another user |
| 11:18.01 | project2501a | nairb-: i think you got the problem upside down |
| 11:18.07 | project2501a | nairb-: what is it that you are trying to do? |
| 11:18.38 | nairb- | project2501a: I'm trying to set up my system such that my user account can "sudo chsh <username>" of another account and have it change that other users shell without asking me for that other users password. |
| 11:18.59 | themill | nairb-: "sudo chsh $user" doesn't ask me for $user's password here. |
| 11:19.21 | project2501a | themill: he means his password |
| 11:19.27 | nairb- | themill: exactly, and it doesn't for any other system I've ever setup. I have no idea why this particular ami (an ec2 instance) is asking me. I'm trying to figure out why and how to fix it. |
| 11:19.35 | nairb- | project2501a: no, I don't mean my password. |
| 11:19.39 | nairb- | project2501a: I mean exactly what I said. |
| 11:19.40 | babilen | nairb-: You are aware of "sudo -i" ? |
| 11:20.06 | themill | nairb-: what's in /etc/pam.d/chsh ? |
| 11:20.58 | nairb- | themill: auth sufficient pam_rootok.so , and then some @includes |
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| 11:21.27 | nairb- | I set some pam thing to "no" in my ssh conf (because I use ssh keys), I assume that's not related? |
| 11:21.39 | nairb- | i don't see how my ssh config would have anything to do with this though |
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| 11:22.35 | nairb- | oh, and it also contains: auth required pam_shells.so ... didn't see that line |
| 11:22.38 | nairb- | and a bunch of comments |
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| 11:23.31 | nairb- | oh, interesting, |
| 11:23.37 | nairb- | ok, I found how I broke it |
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| 11:24.03 | nairb- | project2501a: I spoke too soon, .... using passwd -l instead of changing the shell to /dev/null *does* fix it. |
| 11:25.32 | project2501a | both ways disable the root account |
| 11:25.55 | nairb- | yeah, both disable it, but apparently changing the root shell to /dev/null causes "sudo chsh" to break |
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| 11:26.14 | project2501a | *nod* |
| 11:26.32 | themill | nairb-: well /dev/null is not in /etc/shells. It's also not a particularly good executable. |
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| 11:27.29 | nairb- | themill: of course. I didn't want it to be executable. |
| 11:27.49 | nairb- | i'm a bit surprised sudo needs a shell for chsh to function correctly though |
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| 11:28.30 | themill | maybe you should read that "bunch of comments". it's not sudo that's complaining, it's chsh |
| 11:29.24 | themill | (also, you'll find /usr/sbin/nologin and /bin/false in /etc/passwd rather than /dev/null for a reason) |
| 11:30.14 | project2501a | reading bad! ubuntu forum good! |
| 11:30.43 | nairb- | so nologin or bin/false would have worked ? |
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| 11:31.01 | cousin_luigi | bbl |
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| 11:31.56 | project2501a | nairb-: why don't you give it a try? experimentation is always good. |
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| 11:32.29 | themill | you'll find that they're still not in /etc/shells (for good reason) |
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| 11:34.17 | nairb- | the nologin shell still doesn't work, has to be passwd -l |
| 11:34.35 | jelly | has /bin/false in /etc/shells b'cause that was the easiest way to make chrooted ftp-only user account working |
| 11:34.36 | themill | "doesn't work" being sufficiently vague that you are probably right |
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| 11:35.59 | nairb- | themill: you really seem to get off on knowing a thing or two about linux. chill out dude. you're not being constructive. doesn't work in the exact same way I've been describing since the start of this discussion. |
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| 11:37.09 | lelu | hey guys, I am having an issue upgrading to linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 on a vps the hosting company vps.net have been useless in helping. |
| 11:37.34 | lelu | here is a pastebin of the aptitude output http://pastebin.com/Pe0dvAFD |
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| 11:37.48 | miono | Is there anywhere I can find packages for 5.0 ? |
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| 11:38.02 | themill | miono: /topic |
| 11:38.24 | burek | hi :) one noob question :) if I want to redirect the output to a file, I would type: cmd > file.log |
| 11:38.36 | burek | and what if I need to prefix each line in log file with current time? |
| 11:38.43 | ksk | lelu: how about answering aptitudes questions with yes???? |
| 11:38.44 | burek | how can i do that? :) |
| 11:39.13 | lelu | ksk: ah I copied in a bit before I did the actual upgtade |
| 11:39.19 | ksk | ah, nvm |
| 11:39.23 | themill | burek: "ts" from the moreutils package |
| 11:39.27 | lelu | ksk: its starts line 42... my mistake |
| 11:39.34 | miono | themill: Does the topic tell me where I can find them? |
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| 11:40.30 | themill | dpkg: tell miono about lenny |
| 11:40.31 | burek | themill, would I then type something like this: cmd | ts > file.log ? |
| 11:40.32 | ksk | did you install another kernel (not via apt(itude))? id try uninstalling linux kernel packages, but might crash even more / might be way bad if the machine is remote only |
| 11:40.53 | themill | miono: I presume you're setting up a vm to test out your lenny->squeeze migration ;) |
| 11:41.14 | miono | No I'm looking for packages on the Internet. |
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| 11:41.36 | themill | burek: yeah, that will work nicely for you |
| 11:41.45 | burek | themill, thanks a lot :beer: :) |
| 11:42.00 | nairb- | lelu: I get kinda nervous about that.... I had a hosting company that didn't support newer versions of an OS, and tried doing a dist-upgrade, ... when I rebooted nothing worked. the hosting company just gave me a new instance and told me not to do that. I have no idea why, but that was my experience.... if you or someone here know more about how virtualized kernels work maybe you can figure it out though. |
| 11:42.38 | burek | nairb-, you could also search for hosting that offers recovery console |
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| 11:42.47 | lelu | nairb-: in my case i am looking for an alternative vps supplier... any company who's support knows nothing about the operting systems they provide should not be in business |
| 11:42.50 | nairb- | burek: yeah, it was a terrible host. |
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| 11:43.17 | Iridos | nairb-, there are some changes that require you to upgrade installed packages AND the kernel... and with virtual machines, you usually can't upgrade the kernel yourself |
| 11:43.20 | themill | lelu: what's the current output of "uname -a"? |
| 11:43.32 | nairb- | lelu: yeah, I'd recommend that. I left that host too since they basically had no way of offering me an OS that wasn't EOL'ed |
| 11:43.42 | lelu | themill: Linux saturn 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Jan 16 16:22:28 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 11:43.51 | lelu | wait wrong server |
| 11:43.57 | ksk | what kind of virtualisation is it? |
| 11:44.00 | burek | just wanted to say debian rules! :) o/ |
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| 11:44.08 | lelu | themill: Linux likepie 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 05:46:49 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 11:44.36 | ksk | if you have to use "their" kernel anyways (like openvz,virtuoso) you can just remove your kernel install - as its not used anyway |
| 11:45.02 | lelu | ksk: xen i believe |
| 11:45.07 | lelu | its with vps.net |
| 11:46.00 | ksk | in xen both, using own kernel or not, is possible.. |
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| 11:48.40 | lelu | im co-locating at the end of the month, vps have been too much of a headache |
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| 11:53.05 | nairb- | lelu: some will let you mix physical servers and vps's |
| 11:53.13 | nairb- | best of both world |
| 11:53.13 | nairb- | s |
| 11:53.30 | nairb- | i'm out, gnight |
| 11:53.34 | lelu | nite |
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| 12:06.27 | Arafangion | Ok! Can I have some help? |
| 12:06.49 | SLFCore | Arafangion: what do you need help wth? |
| 12:06.52 | Arafangion | Heh, anyway, I'm using 'kgpg', but I suppose my question's more generic regarding gpg itself. Say, I've got several computers, one of which... |
| 12:06.55 | Arafangion | SLFCore: Getting to that. |
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| 12:07.41 | Arafangion | one of which I 'trust' the most (because it's _my_ computer, rather than my employer's, whatever), so, the question I have is: How should I ensure that my pgp keys are reasonably consistent in that I can identify myself trivially to anyone... |
| 12:07.52 | Arafangion | While ideally not exposing my private key to unneccessary risk? |
| 12:08.07 | Arafangion | I suppose I'm after suggestions for 'best practices'. :) |
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| 12:09.52 | visof | where can i find the source code for that libcurl4-openssl-dev ? |
| 12:09.54 | nevyn | don't put the private key on a computer |
| 12:10.18 | Arafangion | nevyn: Suggestions as to how to achieve that, without buying one of those overly-expensive keys? :) |
| 12:10.36 | nevyn | a tiny usb key with a readonly switch |
| 12:10.45 | nevyn | cost ~ 5 bucks |
| 12:10.54 | Arafangion | Oh, so the key's still exposed. |
| 12:11.01 | Arafangion | *especially* if one looses that usb key. |
| 12:11.08 | nevyn | yeah don't do that. |
| 12:11.37 | nevyn | better still put that key on your keyring put anohter usb key with the key and the revocation cert in a safe place (like a safe. |
| 12:12.43 | Arafangion | I find usb keys really inconvenient, actually... But hmm, probably reasonable for the *work* computers. |
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| 12:13.55 | xand | visof: `apt-get source <package>` will install the source for any package |
| 12:14.07 | xand | (run as normal user) |
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| 12:14.35 | Arafangion | nevyn: I was hoping people would suggest that I create a kind of secondary key set. |
| 12:14.59 | nevyn | so you could have two crossigned keys |
| 12:15.03 | nevyn | but.. eh. |
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| 12:16.20 | Arafangion | nevyn: I mean, consider the revokation idea. Revoking one's *only key* seems a bit pointless, doesn't it? |
| 12:16.23 | visof | xand, i want to get some sources of a packages and i don't know where should i get them pkg-config comerr-dev libssh2-1-dev libkrb5-dev libldap2-dev libkadm55 |
| 12:16.23 | visof | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:16.36 | nevyn | Arafangion: nope. not if it's compramised. |
| 12:16.46 | nevyn | it's inconvienient |
| 12:16.56 | nevyn | but it may be the responcible thing to do. |
| 12:17.09 | Arafangion | nevyn: I suppose it helps communicate that it's compromised... But you still no-longer have a means of identification. |
| 12:17.10 | nevyn | and in reality the only key worth a damn is the one with signatures on it. |
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| 12:17.32 | xand | visof: you type that command it will download them to the current dictory. |
| 12:17.36 | xand | +re |
| 12:17.40 | nevyn | Arafangion: right. |
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| 12:17.55 | nevyn | Arafangion: you make a new key and start again. |
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| 12:17.58 | visof | xand, i'm using lenny and i don't want to upgrade so i need to build the packages from the source |
| 12:18.03 | visof | so i need these sources |
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| 12:18.31 | xand | visof: you should upgrade |
| 12:18.51 | Arafangion | nevyn: You can't make it so that you have a 'trusted key', which indicates that some otehr key also identifies you, such that if THAT key gets compromised, you can still fallback to the trusted key? |
| 12:18.53 | visof | xand, ok i know but can i get the sources i mentioned ? |
| 12:19.02 | visof | and where ? |
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| 12:19.13 | xand | from the author of the software |
| 12:19.26 | xand | or I suppose from the squeeze repo |
| 12:19.30 | nevyn | Arafangion: the only key worth a damn is the one other people signed. |
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| 12:20.01 | Arafangion | nevyn: Insightful. |
| 12:20.30 | nevyn | Arafangion: so if people sign your trusted key you have to use it for stuff because otherwise people other people have to trust ONLY you that you follow good signing practice |
| 12:20.31 | pasky | Hi! I'm a bit confused about ntp.conf restrict lines; default "restrict 127.0.0.1" is described as "allow unlimited access", but do I really want that on a multi-user system? What is the proper secure solution in case I want to allow ntpdc updates? |
| 12:20.42 | nevyn | and that your daily key signed with trusted key is still really you |
| 12:20.59 | Arafangion | nevyn: So it's a catch 22. |
| 12:21.03 | nevyn | rather than multiple independant signers who have verified in person that your trusted key is you |
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| 12:21.14 | nevyn | no it's a key. |
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| 12:21.15 | Arafangion | Right, that makes sense. |
| 12:21.33 | Arafangion | So, if I have multiple keys, that just confuses the heck out of people? |
| 12:21.38 | nevyn | yep |
| 12:21.43 | Arafangion | Gotcha. :( |
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| 12:22.04 | nevyn | Arafangion: it's a digital identity for you. |
| 12:22.09 | Arafangion | Was hoping it was somewhat conventional to have, say, an 'Arafangion' key, and an 'Arafangion-Work' key. |
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| 12:22.33 | nevyn | keys can have many identities |
| 12:23.04 | nevyn | so there should be an Arafangion key. with a primary identity of YOU and a secondary identity of you-work |
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| 12:23.19 | Arafangion | But that's still backed by the one private key, yes? |
| 12:23.21 | nevyn | but multiple identites make some people signing sad. |
| 12:23.23 | nevyn | yep |
| 12:23.30 | Arafangion | So not much point. |
| 12:23.37 | vyadhaka | how to turn off nickserv messages at start up in pidgin |
| 12:23.37 | nevyn | well... yes there is. |
| 12:23.42 | Arafangion | Yeah? |
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| 12:24.19 | izepstan | hi, hello there, i set up some virtual machines with xen, each one with different ip. works fine, but the last one dont connect, ip is set right, route entry made, but network is unreachable. does someone maybe have a hint: http://pastebin.com/cxvurXxN |
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| 12:24.32 | nevyn | if there's no email address for Arafangion@work.company on the key people won't know they can send you crypted email and they'll be suspicious of signed email from that address. |
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| 12:24.48 | nevyn | in fact I don't think gpg will let you sign email that doesn't come from an identity |
| 12:24.56 | nevyn | it might.. |
| 12:25.18 | Arafangion | Hmm, so I should create an identity for my work email, I guess that gives it its own public key? |
| 12:25.25 | Arafangion | Don't think it works like that though? |
| 12:25.34 | nevyn | nope |
| 12:25.54 | nevyn | eg: my key has a bunch of identities. |
| 12:26.12 | Arafangion | I've created two keys, but I can't figure out how to sign the second key in kgpg. |
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| 12:26.22 | Arafangion | I mean, signing it doesnt seem to 'do' anything. |
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| 12:27.14 | nevyn | so having two private keys in one system that are both ultimately trusted... isn't sensible |
| 12:27.28 | Arafangion | Fair enough. |
| 12:27.36 | nevyn | hrm I really should make a new key |
| 12:27.55 | Arafangion | I've just noticed that if I sign a 'user id', then something *does* happen - a reference to my identity gets put into that key. |
| 12:28.39 | Arafangion | So, if I sign 'Test Dummy', then the 'Test Dummy' has a new row referring to the Arafangion key I signed it with. |
| 12:28.55 | Arafangion | nevyn: Why should you make a new key? |
| 12:29.18 | nevyn | because my key has an identity on it for a role I had 10 years ago |
| 12:29.30 | nevyn | which I no longer have |
| 12:29.42 | nevyn | and my key is short |
| 12:29.44 | Arafangion | What does that mean? |
| 12:29.53 | Arafangion | Isn't it just an... identity? |
| 12:29.54 | nevyn | it was generated on a pentium |
| 12:29.59 | nevyn | well... |
| 12:30.27 | nevyn | more bits are better. |
| 12:30.44 | Arafangion | Ok, this is the second time kgpg has crashed out on me. |
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| 12:31.04 | nevyn | as computers improve particularly things like gpu based cracking etc... |
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| 12:31.40 | Arafangion | Well, I added a 'user id' to my key, but nothing happened. |
| 12:31.41 | themill | Arafangion: kgpg is fine for helping kmail sign things and looking up key information; for anything else, I tend to use the gpg command line. |
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| 12:32.26 | nevyn | Arafangion: gpg --list-keys |
| 12:32.35 | nevyn | should show two identities |
| 12:33.02 | Arafangion | Shows only the one identify for my key. Oddly, it shows three other pub keys as well. |
| 12:33.13 | Arafangion | I don't remember adding them. |
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| 12:34.33 | nevyn | have you uploaded any of this stuff anywhere or started using it? |
| 12:34.50 | Arafangion | nevyn: Only facebook, but no, not really started using it. |
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| 12:35.27 | Sasan | Hi every one, why there is no lenny in debian ftp repo?! ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
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| 12:35.30 | Arafangion | Certainly nobody's signed it yet. |
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| 12:36.52 | themill | Sasan: /topic |
| 12:37.02 | ompaul | Sasan: you should have looked a that ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.html |
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| 12:37.38 | Arafangion | nevyn: Ah, if I change my 'minumum trust' setting to 'None', then I see the other three pub keys. |
| 12:37.41 | Woet | Sasan: because lenny is EOL for 2 months. |
| 12:37.47 | Arafangion | nevyn: Why were you asking about if I'd uploaded my key? |
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| 12:38.19 | nevyn | Arafangion: I'd suggest you start clean if you've got 3 keys |
| 12:38.53 | Arafangion | nevyn: I've three additional public keys, it seems, but none are associated with me, they just happen to be in my public keyring. |
| 12:39.04 | nevyn | oh ok. |
| 12:39.11 | Arafangion | I'm very new to this! |
| 12:39.32 | nevyn | so have you generated a key at all? |
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| 12:39.39 | Arafangion | Yes, I've gotten that far. |
| 12:39.54 | nevyn | so having multiple keys for transition to a new key.. is ok. |
| 12:39.58 | Arafangion | Just the defaults, although when generating a second key, I noticed that if I don't set a password, then kgpg crashes. |
| 12:40.03 | nevyn | having them for the sake of it.. eh. |
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| 12:40.28 | Arafangion | Fair enough, it means that one key can say: "Please use my newer key, HERE", I guess? |
| 12:41.17 | Sasan | Woet: i don't want updates. i just need some packages from debian lenny to install |
| 12:41.25 | nevyn | so I have a 10 year old key. |
| 12:41.27 | Woet | Sasan: upgrade before asking questions. |
| 12:41.42 | nevyn | 2002-04-13 |
| 12:41.46 | nevyn | is when it was generated |
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| 12:42.05 | Woet | Sasan: squeeze was released 14 months ago, you had plenty of time to upgrade |
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| 12:42.13 | nevyn | I probably should make a new one. in particular because it's a DSA key and the fashion has swung back to rsa keys |
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| 12:42.32 | nevyn | turns out that generating two random primes is harder than generating one. |
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| 12:43.28 | nevyn | the problem is my current key is in the strong set. |
| 12:43.33 | Arafangion | nevyn: Yeah, mine's DSA. |
| 12:43.44 | Arafangion | nevyn: It's of length 1024 / 0 |
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| 12:43.47 | Arafangion | Which is also weird. |
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| 12:44.54 | Arafangion | nevyn: What I'm *confounded* with, is how the heck I should sign a key. |
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| 12:45.05 | Arafangion | nevyn: Signing a *message* is utterly trivial. |
| 12:45.13 | Arafangion | nevyn: But signing a key seems to do /nothing/. |
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| 12:46.39 | nevyn | gpg --list-signatures keyid |
| 12:47.09 | nevyn | so there's a suggestion that creating seperate work keys is a good move. |
| 12:47.24 | Arafangion | gpg: Invalid option "--list-signatures" |
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| 12:47.26 | nevyn | it's more effort to sign your key tho. |
| 12:47.46 | nevyn | gpg --list-sigs keyid |
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| 12:50.00 | Arafangion | Yeah, that seems to work, it shows three lines, starting with 'pub', 'uid', then 'sig 3'. |
| 12:50.54 | Arafangion | Mind if I paste in /query ? |
| 12:51.08 | nevyn | paste.debian.net would be better... |
| 12:51.38 | Arafangion | Sure thing, wasn't sure how sensitive it was at this level, although I guess one would have to have the actual key anyway. |
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| 12:52.42 | nevyn | so at this level it's going to end up being public data anyway |
| 12:52.55 | nevyn | the only thing that you must protect is the secret key |
| 12:53.00 | Arafangion | Hmm, ok. |
| 12:53.10 | nevyn | which you should make a backup of and print out |
| 12:53.20 | Arafangion | http://paste.debian.net/161758/ |
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| 12:53.38 | Arafangion | adds a printer to his list of things to get! |
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| 12:54.38 | nevyn | so that's only self-signed |
| 12:54.55 | Arafangion | nevyn: I don't know how else to do it. |
| 12:55.17 | toehio | I tried using netcat both from source and apt (arm), and both give the following message in verbose mode: Preposterous fd value. Does anyone know why this is happening? |
| 12:55.17 | nevyn | so do you have a second key? |
| 12:55.23 | Arafangion | nevyn: I could make one? |
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| 12:55.39 | Arafangion | nevyn: I've made one a few times, to try and somehow figure out how to sign something. |
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| 12:55.46 | nevyn | Arafangion: it might be useful as an exercise. |
| 12:55.53 | Arafangion | nevyn: I'll make another key. |
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| 12:56.36 | Arafangion | http://paste.debian.net/161759/ |
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| 12:59.31 | nevyn | so gpg --sign-key E474E6B4 |
| 13:00.25 | Arafangion | Ok, that works. |
| 13:00.30 | Arafangion | Does this mean that kgpg is shit? |
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| 13:01.12 | themill | Arafangion: [13:31] <themill> Arafangion: kgpg is fine for helping kmail sign things and looking up key information; for anything else, I tend to use the gpg command line. |
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| 13:02.13 | Arafangion | themill: Even so, that's fairly astonishing. |
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| 13:03.29 | nevyn | has never used kgpg in anger for anything other than what themill suggests it be used for |
| 13:03.31 | themill | Arafangion: I have done self-sigs through it (things like changing expiry dates) so in principle signing works. |
| 13:03.55 | Arafangion | themill: I'm *extremely* unimpressed with kgpg. |
| 13:04.12 | Arafangion | themill: The only thing I've doen with it successfully, is create keys, and sign short messages. |
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| 13:04.45 | themill | given that's 99% of what you will ever do with a key, that's fine for what it does |
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| 13:05.01 | Arafangion | So, kgpg users never sign keys? Interesting. |
| 13:05.09 | Arafangion | And the program outright crashes if you don't use a password. |
| 13:05.21 | Arafangion | Which I attempted to do for a temporary key to play with. |
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| 13:05.56 | Arafangion | So is there a better GUI frontend for gpg? |
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| 13:06.43 | themill | Arafangion: when I sign keys, I generally want to email the signatures to the recipient, encrypted to their key. kgpg could probably help me do that but it's going to be a manual process. caff automates the entire process |
| 13:07.10 | Arafangion | Hmm, caff's not in aptitude. |
| 13:07.25 | themill | ,i signing-party |
| 13:07.25 | Arafangion | themill: I don't really care much about encryption, beyond identification, as yet. |
| 13:07.27 | judd | Package signing-party (misc, extra) in squeeze/i386: Various OpenPGP related tools. Version: 1.1.3-1; Size: 154.9k; Installed: 584k; Homepage: http://pgp-tools.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 13:08.12 | Arafangion | Hmm, using gpg itself is pretty simple. |
| 13:08.20 | Arafangion | Certainly easier than kgpg. |
| 13:08.34 | themill | Arafangion: so kgpg's integration with kmail is part of the "identification" bit too |
| 13:08.48 | Justin | Arafangion: a lot of people like enigmail |
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| 13:09.59 | Arafangion | Most of the time I'm using gmail, so I'll be using cut&paste a lot |
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| 13:10.10 | Justin | Arafangion: there are browser extensions for pgp |
| 13:10.23 | Arafangion | Interesting - for Chrome? |
| 13:10.27 | Justin | likely |
| 13:10.42 | akfaew | can i install debian on a gpd type system, using /boot on a raid1 and the rest of the system as a lvm on raid5? |
| 13:10.42 | Arafangion | Nice. |
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| 13:12.29 | nevyn | Arafangion: firegpg is the one I've used in the past |
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| 13:13.25 | Arafangion | I'll definetly have to look around. |
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| 13:13.36 | Arafangion | Ok, I've successfullya dded another userid in gpg. |
| 13:13.39 | Arafangion | But NOT in kgpg. |
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| 13:13.48 | Arafangion | Conclusion: kgpg is garbage. |
| 13:14.14 | jelly | Arafangion: you could say it was... krap? |
| 13:14.28 | Arafangion | thinks he will. |
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| 13:14.46 | Arafangion | Nice UI, except it didn't work. :( |
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| 13:15.12 | themill | Arafangion: please file a bug with sufficient details to reproduce it |
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| 13:15.39 | Arafangion | themill: 'install kgpg, attempt to generate a key without password'? |
| 13:15.48 | Arafangion | themill: Just *basic* stuff. |
| 13:16.18 | Arafangion | themill: It almost feels like it was written against a different version of the gpg binary. |
| 13:16.19 | Sevet | is it possible to remove an erroneous message on the BTS from a bug you own? |
| 13:16.24 | themill | Arafangion: that's not a useful bug report. |
| 13:17.01 | Arafangion | themill: Two days ago, I had _nothing_ to do with gpg, it's harder to write useful bug reports without knowing how the system works. |
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| 13:17.21 | mjt | wug |
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| 13:17.45 | themill | Arafangion: squeeze? wheezy? |
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| 13:18.02 | Arafangion | themill: Squeeze. |
| 13:18.32 | themill | Arafangion: *shrug* seems to work for me |
| 13:18.55 | Arafangion | themill: At this point, I suggest that you're simply using it correctly. I don't know enough otherwise. |
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| 13:23.45 | Arafangion | Ok, thanks themill and nevyn! |
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| 13:24.02 | Arafangion | Using the gpg command line has proven to be quite useful, and the lesson learned is that I need to shop around. :) |
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| 13:25.13 | dekatch | Your Welcome Arafangion |
| 13:25.37 | Arafangion | suddenly feels like he's talking to a hive mind. |
| 13:25.59 | tremon | Arafangion: we have bots to take the praise for us |
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| 13:26.14 | nevyn | !tnx |
| 13:26.14 | dpkg | Really, "Thank you" will do. It's not too much to ask, is it? |
| 13:26.19 | nevyn | hrm |
| 13:26.20 | nevyn | !karma |
| 13:26.21 | dpkg | nevyn has neutral karma |
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| 13:29.00 | dekatch | haha tremon! just looked around irc and i felt like yea, ill give him a welcome! i am not a bot :P not taking anything of you |
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| 13:34.12 | Arafangion | tremon: How efficient! :) |
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| 13:35.13 | th1s3gacyy | if im setting up an old computer as a server on my home network, would 32 vs 64 bit matter? |
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| 13:35.48 | tremon | th1s3gacyy: yes |
| 13:36.11 | th1s3gacyy | memory expansion? |
| 13:36.21 | mashed | th1s3gacyy: In a nutshell - if it is new then don't bother with 32 bit |
| 13:36.22 | tremon | processor compatibility, for one |
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| 13:37.15 | th1s3gacyy | well i know i can run 64, but should i if i could? |
| 13:38.01 | tremon | your original question was lacking that bit of information. In general, if it's from amd, use 64-bit. If it's intel, use 32-bit if it's older than core 2 |
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| 13:39.16 | th1s3gacyy | thanks! |
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| 13:39.47 | mashed | th1s3gacyy: the differences are almost entirely transparent. There are 64 bit packages for most if not all apps in debian repo's. Where there isn't the 32bit counterparts are backwards compatable. |
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| 13:46.46 | shifty | Today I am installing a new Debian. I wish to use full disk encryption (LUKS), so that when the machine gets thrown away the data is unreadable. (I am not concerned with physical security - nobody will have access to the machine until it goes to silicon heaven.) I'd prefer not to have to enter in a passphrase at boot. Questions: 1) any clever ideas how best to achieve this? 2) assume I set a blank passphrase (is that possible?), and |
| 13:46.47 | shifty | then later use cryptsetup to add a real passphrase (and delete the blank one)... am I correct in assuming the data will be be unreadable to an attacker? |
| 13:47.43 | tremon | shifty: passkey script (see initramfs documentation in cryptsetup package), I just did the same past weekend |
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| 13:51.33 | nevyn | how is this better than wiping? |
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| 13:54.46 | tremon | nevyn: can't wipe if the disk controller/firmware fails, but service center can simply reflash and sell on without wiping |
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| 13:58.46 | mashed | shifty: I wouldn't put that kind of blind faith in technology. I would still wipe it / drill it. |
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| 13:59.45 | mashed | if someone /really/ wanted the data they would have all the time in the world to get at it. |
| 13:59.46 | Arafangion | Just get a ****'ing big hammer. It's more satisfying. |
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| 14:00.18 | mashed | Arafangion: That's the spirit |
| 14:00.32 | mashed | I've always wanted to use one of the hard disk shredders. |
| 14:00.39 | mashed | They look awesome |
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| 14:01.05 | shifty | mashed: agree, although at some point we have to be pragmatic. honestly, where I live, the old computers get collected by scrap metal dealers within five minutes of being put outside the house. I doubt they are going to be resurrected. And having encrypted disk is a million times better than unencrypted. |
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| 14:01.14 | shifty | Law of diminishing returns, etc, etc. |
| 14:01.15 | Arafangion | mashed: Nevermind those. |
| 14:01.26 | Arafangion | mashed: Try the 'will it blend?' blender, surely that'll blend. :) |
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| 14:02.14 | mashed | shifty: sure - it's your call. I suppse how sensitive the data is on it at the end of the day. |
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| 14:03.12 | shifty | tremon: install with a passphrase, per normal. After install, create a keyfile on /boot. Be happy. |
| 14:03.36 | shifty | tremon: I assume that I can remove the keyfile's "permission" to read the disk at some later point? |
| 14:03.46 | shifty | tremon: have I understood correctly? |
| 14:04.01 | tremon | shifty: as long as /boot isn't on the luks volume, and make sure the initramfs has the necessary modules |
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| 14:05.09 | pexio | is there a way to quitely install a packages like postfix? I have tried "aptitude --assume-yes --quiet install postfix", but it always halts the installation until i answer how i want the postfix configuration |
| 14:05.33 | tremon | shifty: that's how I did it, yes. Make sure you don't specify /boot/file as keyfile, but /dev/disk/by-uuid/...:/file |
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| 14:05.45 | shifty | mashed: in this case it replaces the crappy windows print server/scanning machine that gets used once a week. not exactly high security. |
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| 14:06.27 | shifty | tremon: thanks, have noted your points too. |
| 14:06.31 | tremon | pexio: debconf-set-selections to answer questions before they are asked |
| 14:07.09 | shifty | tremon: since I've never used a keyfile, can you comment on my question above about removing a keyfile's ability to unlock? |
| 14:07.44 | pexio | tremon: thanks i will look into that |
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| 14:08.57 | tremon | shifty: luks has many different keyslots (8 I think), doesn't matter if they are keyfile or passphrase. You can enable/disable/change them all at a later time, as long as at least 1 stays active |
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| 14:11.28 | shifty | tremon: excellent. I'm glad I asked - thank you. |
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| 14:15.16 | Amoug | Why isn't Xinetd used/installed by default in Debian ? |
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| 14:15.52 | Arafangion | Xinetd? |
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| 14:16.07 | rose34 | which player is better mplayer2 or mplayer? which one do you use? |
| 14:16.11 | Amoug | (x)inetd |
| 14:16.15 | Arafangion | rose34: I use vlc. |
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| 14:16.20 | nkuttler | rose34: 2 was a little buggy for me |
| 14:16.49 | jelly | rose34: heh. I've configured mplayer2 to go to TV + HDMI audio, and use mplayer otherwise |
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| 14:17.16 | rose34 | jelly: and which one has better support? |
| 14:17.21 | jelly | mplayer2 does figure out and use vdpau acceleration on its own |
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| 14:17.43 | jelly | rose34: they're very similar, being forks of the same codebase |
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| 14:19.18 | themill | Amoug: there are a number of different inetds in Debian (aptitude search ~Pinet-superserver) but very little actually uses them any more so they're not installed by default. |
| 14:21.55 | Amoug | themill, and if I am running services (such as apache, bind etc...) is it advised to use xinetd ? what are advantages/disadvantages ? |
| 14:22.32 | themill | Amoug: you'd not use things like apache and bind with an inetd. They're too slow to start up. |
| 14:22.36 | ansgar | Amoug: Why would apache or bind need inetd? |
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| 14:23.26 | themill | istr that apache has even removed its inetd mode in recent releases |
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| 14:24.11 | Amoug | themill, ansgar: Thinking from a security perspective, should I better stick to using init.d with tcp wrappers ? |
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| 14:25.05 | Amoug | Asking from a security perspective |
| 14:25.19 | themill | both apache and bind offer their own ways of restricting who can access what resources |
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| 14:26.44 | Amoug | themill, so TCP wrapper is pretty much useless ? |
| 14:28.00 | themill | Amoug: I use it with sshd but not through inetd -- sshd can use libwrap directly |
| 14:28.18 | Justin | Amoug: neither apache or bind use inetd |
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| 14:29.16 | Amoug | themill, Justin besides sshd, any daemons that could use libwrap directly ? |
| 14:29.35 | Justin | you are better off just using iptables and forget about tcpwrappers |
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| 14:30.47 | anonsomething | hi People, I'm searching some encrypted solution for emails, do you have some ideas ? |
| 14:30.54 | themill | Amoug: «apt-cache rdepends libwrap0» might be instructive. |
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| 14:33.06 | anonsomething | no ideas ? |
| 14:34.14 | Malvok | i've been wanting to contribute something to the debian community, love debian and been using it a long time, thinking about writing up some tutorials, any suggestions on common issues people have that i could cover? |
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| 14:34.35 | tdn | What are the purpose of /etc/group-, /etc/passwd-, /etc/shadow-? Are they just backups of the real files? |
| 14:35.04 | ycat | anonsomething: Google is your friend. You provide very little info, so I cannot help you out. You might look for GPG if that's what you want... |
| 14:35.08 | anonsomething | tdn: the real are without '-' so I think backup... |
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| 14:36.09 | anonsomething | ycat: I've read that about GPG...a pluging exist for firefox but are no more supported... |
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| 14:38.34 | babilen | anonsomething: You can user GPG with icedove (aka thunderbird) once you've installed enigmail. Most mail clients are able to interface with GPG and GPG is one of the standard solutions for encrypted mail. Note that you do *not* need a plugin for your *browser* (i.e. firefox) to use GPG for mail. (I don't understand how your browser is related to your mail anyway) |
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| 14:38.57 | shifty | anonsomething: the biggest problem with encrypted email is that the person you are sending mail to needs to be able to read it. perhaps the best way to work out what to use is to work out what your recipient uses? |
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| 14:43.24 | anonsomething | shifty: it's establish a way to communicate in a small society and I'm in charge of the "project"...so I can decide |
| 14:43.38 | babilen | anonsomething: Use GPG in that case |
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| 14:44.06 | anonsomething | babilen: oki I've already started to read about it, seems not so difficult to use |
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| 14:45.20 | babilen | anonsomething: Make sure you use secure keys. Debian's requirements might provide some insight: http://keyring.debian.org/creating-key.html -- Also read the user guide at http://www.gnupg.org/documentation/guides.en.html |
| 14:47.05 | anonsomething | babilen: what is the legal limit to the key size ? |
| 14:48.30 | anonsomething | 4096 for RSA ? babilen |
| 14:48.34 | sturles | Some dependencies are just strange. I'm apt-get installing cyrus-imapd-2.2, and it wants me to install fancontrol as well? This is a VPS! I don't need no fancontrol! |
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| 14:49.38 | tdn | anonsomething, I *think* backup as well, but who can tell me for sure? Or where to find docs about it? |
| 14:49.51 | Justin | sturles: apt-get install cyrus-imapd-2.2 fancontrol- |
| 14:49.52 | themill | ,why cyrus-imapd-2.2 fancontrol |
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| 14:49.58 | judd | Packages cyrus-imapd-2.2 and fancontrol in squeeze/i386 are linked by 1 chains: cyrus-imapd-2.2 ▶ cyrus-common-2.2 ▶ libsnmp15 ▶ libsensors4 ▷ lm-sensors ▷ fancontrol |
| 14:50.09 | abrotman | heheh |
| 14:50.15 | babilen | *bam* |
| 14:50.24 | daemonkeeper | Oh, themill pimped judd. |
| 14:50.25 | themill | sturles: either what Justin said or disable recommends (to get rid of the lm-sensors dependency) |
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| 14:50.44 | Justin | ah, lm-sensors- would be even better |
| 14:51.03 | babilen | anonsomething: yes |
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| 14:52.22 | sturles | I'll just disable recommends. Not that much space on this server. |
| 14:52.25 | babilen | anonsomething: ISTR that you can create 8192 keys, but you *will* most likely run into problems with that. |
| 14:52.25 | Iridos | ,why anything |
| 14:52.26 | judd | (why <package1> <package2> [--arch <i386>] [--release <stable>] [--norecommends]) -- Find dependency chains between the two packages within the specified release and architecture. By default, recommended packages are checked too and the current stable release and i386 are used. |
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| 14:52.55 | Iridos | oh we... NPS |
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| 14:54.22 | themill | (for those playing along at home, judd's "why" command is fine for situations like this one and not that great for things like the gnome or kde metapackages...) |
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| 14:55.58 | Justin | themill: one can also use aptitude why locally |
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| 14:56.47 | dasorw | Hello guys, I have debian installed and plesk, I want to install php-mcrypt but it gives me this error The following packages have unmet dependencies: php5-mcrypt: Depends: php5-common (= 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16) but 5.2.17-0.dotdeb.0 is to be installed E: Broken packages I've already looked up on google but no solution so far:( |
| 14:56.48 | themill | Justin: yeah, although that only find the shortest path not all paths and only works for the architecture and release you have installed. |
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| 14:57.07 | themill | Justin: (I'm quite familiar with aptitude why... which is why judd's command is called "why" :) |
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| 14:57.14 | Justin | !+dotdeb |
| 14:57.15 | dpkg | dotdeb is for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/ , but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior. Ask me about <backports> and <debian-backports>. To remove: "aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'" |
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| 14:58.09 | themill | dasorw: also, it's somewhat past time to be upgrading from lenny to squeeze. /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 14:58.56 | dasorw | can I safely upgrade with plesk installed?...... |
| 14:59.44 | themill | dasorw: you'd need to ask plesk that |
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| 15:00.36 | themill | (there's a ##plesk around. if plesk insists on you running an unsupported release, then I'd take that as an excellent indication that I shouldn't be using plesk) |
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| 15:01.19 | dasorw | so the only way to fix the dependencies problem is to upgrade to squeeze? |
| 15:01.52 | jordanm_ | the depends issue appears to be coming for dotdeb, not lenny |
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| 15:01.56 | themill | getting rid of dotdeb will solve this particular problem. It doesn't solve your "I have no security support" problem |
| 15:02.06 | jelly | <dasorw> can I safely upgrade with plesk installed?...... # the answer is an emphatic NO -- you will most likely break Plesk |
| 15:02.16 | faryus | hi. if anyone could help with this, I would much appreciate it: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=77914 |
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| 15:06.25 | Justin | faryus: sounds like your drive is broken |
| 15:06.50 | faryus | even though all the tests came out perfect and worked fine in windows? |
| 15:07.24 | Justin | you did not run enough tests |
| 15:07.36 | faryus | recommend some more? :D |
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| 15:08.07 | Justin | the fact that running any program causes your drive to make abnormal sounds is enough to indicate it has potential serious issues |
| 15:08.57 | faryus | only happens with torrents though, and only in Linux... i don't get it... |
| 15:09.13 | Justin | torrents cause a large amount of random writes. download a file with firefox does not |
| 15:09.29 | Justin | im sure if you ran a filesystem performance test tool the same thing would happen |
| 15:10.04 | faryus | I see... I'kk run some more tests then... can you recommend a tool? |
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| 15:10.33 | Justin | bonnie would likely do it |
| 15:10.40 | faryus | thanks |
| 15:10.59 | dasorw | jesus it just does not work..." php5-mcrypt: Depends: php5-common (= 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16) but 5.2.17-0.dotdeb.0 is to be installed E: Broken packages" nothing that I try dows not work |
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| 15:11.30 | Justin | dasorw: remove the dotdeb crap you installed |
| 15:11.39 | jordanm | you didn't remove the dotdeb repo and dotdeb packages |
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| 15:12.19 | dasorw | if I remove them it will also remove some plesk packages it seems |
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| 15:14.30 | Justin | so? reinstall them after you fix things |
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| 15:15.15 | jordanm | or try to force a downgrade of the php packages that plesk depends on before removing the rest |
| 15:15.18 | jordanm | !downgrade |
| 15:15.19 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 15:16.07 | jordanm | plesk's autoinstall thing might fix things if you let it remove the packages, but maybe not and plesk is not supported here |
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| 15:16.49 | Lamope- | i have a problem with my debian server |
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| 15:17.13 | Lamope- | every traffic from internet is very slow, lan is ok |
| 15:17.55 | jordanm | that doesn't sound like a problem with the debian server |
| 15:17.55 | Lamope- | i changed the cables, router, switched, rebooted all these hardware, it is still slow via internet, what could cause this issue? |
| 15:18.00 | tc_me | do you under attack? |
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| 15:18.03 | Lamope- | i dont have any qos |
| 15:18.16 | tc_me | s/do/are |
| 15:18.17 | Justin | Lamope-: what exactly is slow? |
| 15:18.24 | Lamope- | all my other desktop are fine |
| 15:18.27 | Lamope- | like 25% |
| 15:18.29 | Lamope- | down/up |
| 15:18.49 | jordanm | internet access entirely, or a particular service? |
| 15:19.02 | Lamope- | internet in general |
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| 15:19.14 | Lamope- | i tried ftps,websites,speedtest |
| 15:19.17 | jordanm | how have you tested this? |
| 15:19.26 | Lamope- | if i get a file via lan, i get the usual 45mbs |
| 15:19.29 | Lamope- | both ways |
| 15:19.57 | tc_me | maybe your isp is stealing your bandwidth by sharping |
| 15:20.12 | Lamope- | tc_me, doesnt make sense, my desktops download fine |
| 15:20.42 | Lamope- | tc_me, i could be undersatttack, but i dont know how to check |
| 15:21.17 | tc_me | watch logs? |
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| 15:22.07 | jordanm | logs, bandwidth graphs, contrack tables (if contrack is used), apache server-info, iftop, top, etc |
| 15:22.23 | tc_me | people may keep silent but it doesn't mean they can't detect attacks |
| 15:22.50 | jordanm | netstat... |
| 15:22.51 | Lamope- | im not used to that kinda of stuff |
| 15:23.03 | Lamope- | tcpdump is all i kknow |
| 15:23.17 | tc_me | snort for details |
| 15:23.34 | Justin | ugh |
| 15:23.48 | tc_me | you can buy a hardware utm box (high speed) |
| 15:23.49 | Justin | before claiming the guy is under attack it would be helpful to actually quantify the problem |
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| 15:24.15 | jordanm | I don't think it was claimed. I believe he was just told to check |
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| 15:25.02 | Justin | Lamope-: you have not sufficient described your network setup for anyone to effectively troubleshoot your problem |
| 15:25.14 | Lamope- | ok |
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| 15:26.09 | caravel | Salut, sysops please banir cet id : <cinndy> hi sex cam http://[snip] |
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| 15:26.17 | Lamope- | i got my isp router(192.168.0.XXX) dmzed to my routeur(192.168.1.XXx), to my router is attached a switch(1gbs) then all my desktrops/servers are connected to it |
| 15:26.19 | caravel | (reçu en pm à la connexion) |
| 15:26.41 | caravel | sorry, english here -- please sysops put a ban on this user thanks |
| 15:26.43 | jordanm | caravel: use !ops |
| 15:26.49 | themill | caravel: thanks |
| 15:26.53 | caravel | jordanm: thanks. hmm |
| 15:26.59 | caravel | !ops |
| 15:26.59 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 15:26.59 | jordanm | in the future, themill has it now |
| 15:27.08 | Lamope- | i tried my debian into my 1st router, 2nd router, switch, all with diff. ports, still the same result |
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| 15:27.34 | Justin | what is "my debian" in that sentence ? |
| 15:27.39 | jordanm | Lamope-: you have multiple routers in between your server and the internet? |
| 15:28.10 | Lamope- | jordanm: yes |
| 15:28.27 | jordanm | Lamope-: are they both performing NAT? |
| 15:28.40 | Lamope- | jordanm: yes |
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| 15:28.50 | jordanm | there you go |
| 15:28.56 | Lamope- | ? |
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| 15:29.10 | Lamope- | why my desktop dont have speed issue |
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| 15:29.26 | caravel | assume he should have said /msg dpkg: ops please ban "cinndy", recieved sexcam invite at connexion -- right ? |
| 15:29.30 | jordanm | two layers of NAT is likely to cause performance issues |
| 15:29.32 | Justin | Lamope-: what is "my desktop" in that sentence ? |
| 15:29.42 | slikts | how do I get __git_ps1 tool on debian? |
| 15:29.45 | slikts | I installed the git package |
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| 15:29.57 | jordanm | slikts: install bash-completion |
| 15:30.01 | slikts | thanks |
| 15:30.04 | Lamope- | Justin: i got 3 windows desktop that dont have any speed issue |
| 15:30.16 | Lamope- | onyl the debian does that |
| 15:30.28 | Justin | Lamope-: what version of windowS? |
| 15:30.35 | Lamope- | 7's |
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| 15:31.01 | Justin | Lamope-: try turning off tcp window scaling and ecn |
| 15:31.11 | jordanm | the NAT tables for an active web server are likely to be much larger than that of the desktop machines |
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| 15:31.25 | Lamope- | Justin: the desktop are closed atm, i stil have the issue |
| 15:31.26 | Justin | for a more useful diagnoises you are going to need to preform tcpdump captures and analyze the actual problem |
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| 15:31.47 | Justin | jordanm: nat table issues do not cause things to be slow |
| 15:31.53 | Justin | they cause things to not work at all |
| 15:31.55 | Lamope- | Justin: i saw that i got lots of packets dropped by kernel, is that ok? |
| 15:32.09 | jordanm | Justin: with cheap routers, they sure do |
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| 15:32.16 | Justin | Lamope-: dropped why? |
| 15:32.26 | Lamope- | no clue |
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| 15:32.41 | Justin | why does it say they were dropped |
| 15:33.25 | tc_me | maybe your packets are special and they can't hijack you |
| 15:33.54 | Lamope- | thats a tcpdump for 10sec -> 5684 packets captured,45495 packets received by filter,39690 packets dropped by kernel |
| 15:34.10 | Justin | Lamope-: what command did you run ? |
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| 15:34.20 | Lamope- | tcpdump -i eth0 'port 443' |
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| 15:34.43 | Justin | Lamope-: tcpdump -i eth0 'port 443' -n -w /tmp/foo.pcap |
| 15:34.54 | caravel | !ops documenting !ops on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRCChannelGuidelines could help I assume :) thanks |
| 15:34.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: caravel complains about: documenting !ops on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRCChannelGuidelines could help I assume :) thanks |
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| 15:35.03 | jordanm | dumps created with -w can be opened in a graphical program such as wireshark |
| 15:35.20 | Lamope- | how long do i cap? |
| 15:35.24 | jordanm | caravel: you don't need ops to do that, anyone can edit the wiki |
| 15:35.32 | Justin | Lamope-: start the capture, reproduce the poblem, stop the capture |
| 15:35.49 | Lamope- | Justin: its permanent |
| 15:35.52 | Justin | Lamope-: start another capture, connect from a system that doesnt have the poblem, stop the capture |
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| 15:36.03 | Justin | Lamope-: do you know what "reproduce the problem" means? |
| 15:36.07 | caravel | jordanm: fair enough, it's just that I don't know any of the #debian commands, are they no others ? |
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| 15:37.03 | jordanm | caravel: ircbots.debian.net contains them all |
| 15:37.11 | caravel | jordanm: thank you |
| 15:37.12 | Lamope- | Justin: im not sure |
| 15:37.18 | aleray | hi, i'm looking for instructions to install software from backports on debian squeeze |
| 15:37.45 | kleanchap | How do I make sure that the wifi network connects so after booting up? I do not want the system to wait until someone logins to the system. |
| 15:37.59 | Justin | kleanchap: how did you setup the wireless network? |
| 15:38.07 | aleray | I'm confused because the instructions I see around are for various versions of debian. I'd like to make sure I'm following instructions for the latest release of debian |
| 15:38.12 | Justin | aleray: the instructions on on backports.debian.org |
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| 15:38.19 | kleanchap | Justin, with the gnome network manager |
| 15:38.36 | Justin | kleanchap: there is a checkbox in there somewhere that says "make available to all users" |
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| 15:39.24 | aleray | Justin, just to make sure (sorry if it sounds stupid) but the backports for squeeze are "squeeze-backports" right ? |
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| 15:39.50 | Justin | aleray: yes |
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| 15:40.31 | caravel | jordanm: by "contain them all", you mean the src code ? :) sorry, I feel I am blind today |
| 15:40.32 | aleray | Justin, thanks. Also I use to apt-pin... is it a depriciated practice with squeeze ? |
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| 15:40.41 | Justin | got me |
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| 15:42.22 | kleanchap | Justin, Thank you! I found it. |
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| 15:43.25 | Lamope- | Justin: nothing in the pcap beside duplicatr ack |
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| 15:43.40 | Justin | Lamope-: there is a lot of relevant information in the pcap |
| 15:43.41 | francesco1 | ciao |
| 15:43.46 | francesco1 | !list |
| 15:43.47 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 15:43.49 | tc_me | cao cao |
| 15:43.59 | francesco1 | perche |
| 15:44.10 | Lamope- | Justin: i dont know everything about pcap |
| 15:44.14 | themill | francesco1: no warez here |
| 15:44.58 | francesco1 | lista film |
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| 15:45.51 | Justin | Lamope-: where are the delays? |
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| 15:47.38 | OldParr | is there an application to divide large files in order to make it fix in several smaller media ? |
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| 15:47.44 | Justin | OldParr: split |
| 15:47.58 | Lamope- | Justin: i might have a problem with ssl certificate |
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| 15:48.52 | Justin | Lamope-: ssl would not make http go slow as well |
| 15:48.54 | Lamope- | Justin: nvm |
| 15:49.12 | Lamope- | yeah thats what i just though |
| 15:49.15 | Justin | Lamope-: how fast is your upload speed supposed to be? |
| 15:49.29 | Lamope- | 1mbps |
| 15:49.39 | Justin | Lamope-: that's how fast it is going. |
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| 15:49.45 | Justin | Lamope-: where is the problem? |
| 15:49.50 | breardo | hello all |
| 15:50.01 | Lamope- | wat ur download speed atm? |
| 15:50.06 | breardo | anyone want to recommend a solid way of finding how much disk I/O im experneing, from the command line? |
| 15:50.13 | Justin | Lamope-: just under 1mbps |
| 15:50.14 | petemc | iotop |
| 15:50.15 | breardo | doh.. experiencing |
| 15:50.28 | breardo | iotop eh.. i looked at that already, but didnt see what I was expecting.. |
| 15:50.35 | Lamope- | Justin: i noticed that the upload speed was only affacted by around 12% |
| 15:50.40 | breardo | could be hardware related i guess.. maybe smarttools... thanks petemc |
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| 15:50.54 | Justin | Lamope-: do you know the difference between 1mbps and 1MBps ? |
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| 15:51.06 | Lamope- | Justin: yes, i dont know which is which |
| 15:51.16 | Justin | Lamope-: because you are getting 1mbps |
| 15:51.41 | Lamope- | means ur getting ~125KBps? |
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| 15:51.54 | Justin | I got ~90 |
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| 15:51.58 | Lamope- | see |
| 15:52.06 | Lamope- | thats way below 125 |
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| 15:52.11 | Justin | no, it's not |
| 15:52.19 | Lamope- | it is |
| 15:52.19 | seblabel | hey people! |
| 15:52.24 | Lamope- | 0.72 ratio |
| 15:52.47 | Justin | Lamope-: you will never get 125 |
| 15:52.57 | Lamope- | i do with my desktop |
| 15:53.08 | Justin | how do you know this? |
| 15:53.23 | Lamope- | speedtest |
| 15:53.28 | Justin | most speedtest sites are shit |
| 15:53.30 | Lamope- | from 3 servers |
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| 15:53.59 | Lamope- | i used speedest.net, my isp speedtest and my usenset provider speedtest |
| 15:54.11 | mashed | Lamope-: Justin is right you will never get max advertised speed because of contention and network / protocol overhead |
| 15:54.29 | Lamope- | mashed: thats not the point |
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| 15:54.43 | Lamope- | even if i get 1mbs on the 3 speedtest on my desktop |
| 15:54.51 | Lamope- | my debian will get .80mbs |
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| 15:55.15 | medusaXX | hi |
| 15:55.29 | Lamope- | i also wget some files on a ftp, same thing |
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| 15:56.35 | Justin | Lamope-: you did not follow my directions for capturing with tcpdump |
| 15:56.44 | mashed | we need more to go with than "debian is slower" |
| 15:56.48 | Justin | Lamope-: you just captured the middle of a bunch of random ongoing connections |
| 15:57.12 | medusaXX | what is the debian way of loading a kernel module at startup? |
| 15:57.20 | Lamope- | i redo the problem like u saked |
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| 15:57.34 | medusaXX | in addition to the modules already being loaded by the hardware support |
| 15:57.58 | Justin | medusaXX: /etc/modules ? |
| 15:58.21 | medusaXX | is this file left alone by any automatic "cleanups" ? |
| 15:58.52 | medusaXX | i mean, can i rely on the file not being altered in two weeks after a reboot or a apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 15:59.15 | WalterG | Hi, I have a problem. While I installed some security updates via aptitude on squeeze, during update of the kernel package linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 2.6.32-41 I got an invalid opcode: 0000 [#1] SMP error and the terminal is frozen. How should I best proceed? |
| 15:59.31 | mashed | Lamope-: "every traffic from internet is very slow, lan is ok" this was one of your opening comments. You're looking in the wrong place. |
| 15:59.49 | Lamope- | mashed: where should i look? |
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| 16:00.11 | Lamope- | i got ipv6 tunnels, which only my debian has, could it be bad routing? |
| 16:00.31 | Justin | Lamope-: stop saying "my debian" when you mean "my debian server" |
| 16:00.37 | mashed | Lamope-: start with your network configuration, Did the correct DHCP server respond. Is it being routed un-neessarily |
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| 16:01.09 | Lamope- | Justin: whats the diff? |
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| 16:01.17 | Lamope- | mashed: no everything is fine |
| 16:01.27 | Justin | Lamope-: one makes sense, the other doesn't |
| 16:01.44 | Justin | Lamope-: you don't say "my microsoft" to refer to your windows machines, do you? |
| 16:02.10 | Lamope- | Justin: true |
| 16:02.29 | mashed | Lamope-: are you certain. Is the default gateway correct, are there any filtering rules that may be causing the problem. Are the name servers responding / resolving correctly and promptly. |
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| 16:03.06 | Justin | mashed: you are not really helping. i suggest you scroll up |
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| 16:03.32 | mashed | Justin: sure i've seen it all but it does not add up. He's missed something. |
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| 16:04.02 | Justin | mashed: broken nameservers do not make tcp tranfers run slower |
| 16:04.45 | mashed | Justin: it can do if its trying to resolve the source/dst address for logging |
| 16:04.49 | Justin | mmm food time |
| 16:05.06 | Justin | mashed: we already established that that is not the case |
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| 16:05.41 | mashed | heh, ok i'll back off then |
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| 16:06.32 | Justin | Lamope-: did you try disabling tcp window scaling yet? still don't have enough information to go on, but I wouldn't be surprised if that fixes your problem |
| 16:06.32 | Lamope- | u can keep asking stuff, u might point something we didnt |
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| 16:06.43 | Lamope- | Justin: how do u disable that on debian? |
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| 16:07.08 | caravel | jordanm: sorry again, won't bother you any further, but fyi -- I didn't find any ref to eg "!ops" anywhere. So, I guess I'm definitely the wrong guy to edt the wiki ! Thanks anyway |
| 16:07.51 | Justin | Lamope-: sysctl net.ipv4.tcp_window_scaling=0 |
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| 16:08.28 | Justin | Lamope-: er, sysctl -w net.ipv4.tcp_window_scaling=0 |
| 16:09.07 | Lamope- | do i need reboot or ifdown, up? |
| 16:09.16 | Justin | nope |
| 16:09.28 | Lamope- | can it stop everyting? im remote atm |
| 16:09.57 | Justin | heh, you know, I really don't think you have a problem actually |
| 16:10.08 | Lamope- | ?? |
| 16:10.21 | Justin | when I download the pcap from you it starts out at 200K/s and slowly dropsto 90 |
| 16:10.31 | Lamope- | so? |
| 16:10.46 | Justin | the shitty speed tests you have been running probably don't upload enough to catch that behaviour properly |
| 16:11.10 | Lamope- | but why my desktop stills runes faster |
| 16:11.14 | Justin | does it? |
| 16:11.14 | Lamope- | both down/up |
| 16:11.23 | Lamope- | see |
| 16:11.51 | Lamope- | if i download a file from ftp->100mb file, i get 1.4MBps on server and 1.7(amost 1.8)MBps on desktop |
| 16:12.04 | Justin | how are you measuring that? |
| 16:12.12 | Lamope- | ? |
| 16:12.18 | Justin | where do those numbers come from? |
| 16:12.23 | Lamope- | i see the avg speed of the download? |
| 16:12.28 | Justin | see where? |
| 16:12.49 | Lamope- | download window from firefox(desktop) iceweasel(debian) |
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| 16:12.57 | Justin | don't test like that |
| 16:13.07 | Justin | wget -O/dev/null ftp://... |
| 16:13.07 | mashed | use curl |
| 16:13.11 | mashed | backs off |
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| 16:14.56 | Iridos | notices that mashed has curls |
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| 16:15.42 | Lamope- | Justin: it peeks at 1.7 for 0.5sec when goes back to 1.3-1.4, jumps again after a few sec then goes down |
| 16:15.54 | Lamope- | it hicup at 1.7 very shorty |
| 16:16.21 | Lamope- | almost 1.8 |
| 16:16.35 | Justin | there you go, no problem |
| 16:16.40 | Lamope- | ? |
| 16:16.50 | Justin | it's not slow, you don't have a problem |
| 16:16.55 | Lamope- | ?? |
| 16:16.57 | Lamope- | listen |
| 16:17.02 | Lamope- | u know wats sabnzbd? |
| 16:17.08 | Justin | yes |
| 16:17.22 | Lamope- | the avg speed on all downloads is 1.3 |
| 16:17.51 | Justin | ok? |
| 16:17.52 | Lamope- | sat. night, i installed it on my desktop, same usnet provider, i get 1.7 avg over 10 hours timelaps |
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| 16:18.09 | Rix | how can i view what proccess is using a device (i cannot umount it cause it is busy, i want to stop the proccess so that i can umount) |
| 16:18.12 | Lamope- | went back to debian server last night, back to 1.3 avg |
| 16:18.23 | Justin | Lamope-: did you try the window scaling hting? |
| 16:18.24 | jordanm | Rix: lsof <mountpoint> |
| 16:18.38 | Lamope- | can it shutdown my internet? im remote atm |
| 16:18.40 | Rix | yes but no proccesses |
| 16:18.40 | Iridos | Rix, fuser -m /mountpoint (need to be root to see other users than your own accessing it) |
| 16:18.46 | Justin | Lamope-: no |
| 16:18.47 | Rix | i am root |
| 16:18.55 | Rix | tried also lsof | grep sdb1 |
| 16:19.21 | Rix | root@debian:/dev# fuser -m sdb1 |
| 16:19.21 | Rix | sdb1: 1414c 26662c |
| 16:19.21 | Justin | Rix: lsof will show the mountpoint, not the block device name |
| 16:19.27 | Rix | what does that say, how can i view proc pid to kill it |
| 16:19.31 | valdyn | Rix: that last lsof does not track what you want tracked |
| 16:19.35 | Lamope- | Justin: sysctl -w net.ipv4.tcp_window_scaling=0 |
| 16:19.45 | Lamope- | Justin: how do i see thats the value atm? |
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| 16:19.53 | Justin | Lamope-: sysctl net.ipv4.tcp_window_scaling |
| 16:20.02 | Rix | so can i force umount |
| 16:20.07 | jordanm | no |
| 16:20.18 | jordanm | well, by rebooting, yes |
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| 16:21.01 | Lamope- | Justin: no change |
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| 16:21.31 | Iridos | Rix, no! fuser -m /home/ (or whatever) if you do fuser -m /dev/sdb it will look for processes using /dev (i.e. processes using /) |
| 16:21.37 | Justin | Lamope-: i suggest you perform captures from both machines and compare them |
| 16:21.58 | Lamope- | Justin: kk, im out, th for ur time |
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| 16:22.45 | Rix | Iridos i dont understand |
| 16:23.02 | Rix | how can i view processes that use /dev/sdb1 |
| 16:23.04 | Justin | Rix: you need to look for the mointpoint, not the block device name |
| 16:23.12 | Rix | apf yes |
| 16:23.13 | Rix | thanks |
| 16:23.36 | Rix | root@debian:/media/www# fuser -m /media/www |
| 16:23.36 | Rix | /media/www: 1496c 1568c 26662c |
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| 16:23.42 | Rix | is that pids? |
| 16:23.44 | Rix | are* |
| 16:23.48 | Iridos | yes |
| 16:24.06 | Iridos | "man fuser" to see what the "c" at the end means |
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| 16:24.27 | abrotman | wtf |
| 16:24.33 | Rix | root@debian:/media/www# ps -A | grep 1496 |
| 16:24.33 | Rix | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.33 | Rix | root@debian:/media/www# ps -A | grep 1568 |
| 16:24.33 | Rix | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.33 | Rix | root@debian:/media/www# ps -A | grep 26662 |
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| 16:24.35 | jordanm | Rix: your shell is inside of the device you are trying to unmount... |
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| 16:24.48 | jordanm | Rix: your shell is inside of the device you are trying to unmount... |
| 16:24.49 | Rix | bash and su what |
| 16:25.01 | jordanm | Rix: cd |
| 16:25.04 | Rix | how can my shell be inside a device |
| 16:25.16 | Rix | :D |
| 16:25.18 | Rix | i understand |
| 16:25.23 | Rix | im in the dir |
| 16:25.48 | tremon | Rix: you started your su session when you were in that directory. exit, cd, su again |
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| 16:26.07 | Rix | guys i fixed thanks i will never type umount in the mountpoint :D:D |
| 16:26.08 | WalterG | Hi, I have a problem. While I installed some security updates via aptitude on squeeze, during update of the kernel package linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 2.6.32-41 I got an invalid opcode: 0000 [#1] SMP error and the terminal is frozen. How should I best proceed? |
| 16:26.12 | Rix | thanks a lot |
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| 16:28.19 | jordanm | WalterG: open a new terminal? reboot? |
| 16:28.22 | tremon | WalterG: I wouldn't rely on that kernel to bring you back after a reboot. If you have a second kernel image installed, boot that one, otherwise try booting your one kernel only to level 1 |
| 16:28.36 | tremon | s/level/run&/ |
| 16:28.49 | mashed | WalterG:Don't worry too much your previous kernel will be preserved. |
| 16:28.57 | WalterG | second terminal works und other services are still running |
| 16:29.28 | tremon | WalterG: in that case, just retry the package upgrade |
| 16:29.29 | WalterG | im worrying that i have some halfbacked update process |
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| 16:29.36 | willmore | Yay, I just got squeeze installed on an old Sun netra t1 200 |
| 16:29.47 | willmore | I'm not sure why, but I did. ;) |
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| 16:30.07 | Amoug | which one to use, tcp wrapper or iptables ? |
| 16:30.13 | willmore | The old guy can saturate its scsi buss with the two drives on it. |
| 16:30.22 | jordanm | WalterG: apt-get install -f should be able to fix halfbaked updates |
| 16:30.28 | WalterG | the last message during the update was that grub.cfg was being generated |
| 16:30.29 | themill | Amoug: I think we covered that pretty well earlier |
| 16:30.30 | willmore | oops, wrogn list. |
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| 16:32.13 | Amoug | themill, still have doubts, on whether tcp wrapper is good enough (Host based security) as I've searched around and it seems that most references to it are old (+5 years) |
| 16:32.37 | Amoug | Can't tell if something else replaced it, or there are other problems such as performance, flexibility etc... |
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| 16:33.35 | fabio__ | hello, im planning to make a local repo, it will be made of the packages installed on a server, with the exact version , i know how to make a local repo, but how can i get the complete set of packages installed in the server into the archives directory? thanks in advance |
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| 16:34.11 | themill | Amoug: it's only advantage is that all configuration is in /etc/hosts.{allow,deny}. It is definitely less flexible than the configuration options that are in whatever daemon you are thinking about. |
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| 16:35.49 | Iridos | dpkg, reinstall everything |
| 16:35.49 | dpkg | from memory, reinstall everything is apt-get --reinstall install `COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l|grep ^ii|awk '{print $2}'` |
| 16:36.16 | Iridos | fabio__, apt-get --reinstall --print-uris install $(COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l|grep ^ii|awk '{print $2}') |
| 16:36.30 | tremon | someone should change that factoid to add aptitude reinstall ~i |
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| 16:36.53 | Iridos | tremon, you could be that someone? |
| 16:37.02 | tremon | Iridos: if you could tell me how |
| 16:37.14 | Iridos | dpkg, reinstall everything is also aptitude reinstall ~i |
| 16:37.14 | dpkg | Iridos: okay |
| 16:37.23 | tremon | lol |
| 16:37.24 | Iridos | dpkg, literal reinstall everything |
| 16:37.24 | dpkg | "reinstall everything" is "apt-get --reinstall install `COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l|grep ^ii|awk '{print $2}'`, or aptitude reinstall ~i" |
| 16:37.28 | tremon | dpkg: have a cookie |
| 16:37.28 | dpkg | Ta. *Munch* |
| 16:37.45 | tremon | Iridos: thx |
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| 16:38.41 | Iridos | tremon, (and I think it's actually useful keeping the unelegant dpkg -l |grep ^ii one... as aptitude doesn't have --print-uris - I think) |
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| 16:39.03 | themill | reinstall everything =~ s/ii/.i/ |
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| 16:39.20 | Iridos | could change that to awk /^i./{print $2} and skip the grep, though |
| 16:39.29 | WalterG | jordanm: my problem is the hanging update processes(aptitude, dpkg, os_prober and grub_mkconfig are still locking any apt-get activities, should I just kill them? |
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| 16:39.56 | tremon | Iridos: probably. Don't know all the intricacies of dpkg, apt, and aptitude, hence the add, not replace :) |
| 16:40.41 | Iridos | well, it's not in the manpage at least |
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| 16:41.30 | tremon | WalterG: if you kill dpkg, you should then issue dpkg --configure -a to clean up pending package configurations. I'd start with killing os_prober, see if the rest recovers on its own |
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| 16:41.55 | WalterG | tremon: OK, thanks will try |
| 16:41.57 | tremon | WalterG: but if os_prober hangs because of a fault in the kernel, you probably can't kill it and need to reboot anyway |
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| 16:44.29 | joebobjoe | Anyone know why ssh user@mydomain.com doesn't work, but ssh user@www.mydomain.com does? I know this may not be considered a Debian question, but I thought maybe the community could point me in the right direction. |
| 16:45.25 | mashed | joebobjoe: does dig www.mydomain.com and dig mydomain.com resove to the same location? |
| 16:45.37 | mashed | s/resove/resolve/ |
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| 16:46.02 | somiaj | joebobjoe: sounds like a dns issue, yea use digg (or ping) to see if www.mydomain.com and mydomain.com resolve to different ip addresses. |
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| 16:48.14 | joebobjoe | mashed somiaj: Yeah mydomain.com doesn't resolve without the www. I think my web browser automatically added the www and I had the misconception that it worked. |
| 16:48.45 | mashed | joebobjoe: you should be able to easily fix that in your domain control panel. |
| 16:49.01 | joebobjoe | mashed: I'll try. I hate the internet. |
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| 16:49.18 | abrotman | hates misconfigured DNS |
| 16:49.24 | slikts | what's a good way to automatically keep track of updated packages and maybe apply updates? cron-apt? |
| 16:49.26 | mashed | i'm sure it doesn't like anyone |
| 16:49.37 | slikts | also, what's a good alternative to that heap of crap postfix, ssmpt? |
| 16:49.45 | slikts | *ssmtp |
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| 16:50.31 | WalterG | tremon: thanks, apart from one dead os_prober process. I then tried the dpkg --configure -a which ran without problems and did setup kernel and grub so i hope a reboot might now be possible |
| 16:50.34 | mashed | slikts: smtp/tls/ssl you mean? |
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| 16:50.51 | slikts | mashed: sorry, I was unclear, I just want to send email |
| 16:51.19 | mashed | slikts: from the command line or create a mail relay? |
| 16:51.28 | slikts | from command line |
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| 16:52.11 | mashed | slikts: It will still require configuration. Personaly I use mutt |
| 16:52.19 | joebobjoe | mashed: I'm pretty sure I have it set up correctly. Do you know anything about A-list or domain redirect? |
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| 16:52.54 | mashed | joebobjoe: yes do not use domain redirects. it will go to a server that it is not yours. |
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| 16:53.31 | mashed | joebobjoe: pm me the domain if you want I'll take a look at the configuration. |
| 16:54.08 | slikts | mashed: does mutt really work without ssmtp or postfix? |
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| 16:55.17 | themill | you'd still want an MTA on the box though, even if you're not using it to send your personal email |
| 16:55.22 | somiaj | slikts: if you want a mail server (and not use some other SMTP server for your mail) you will need an MTA. This can be postfix, sendmail, qmail, exim -- those are the only ones I can think of. I would avoid sendmail (as it is old and not considered that good), but you have options as to what MTA you want. |
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| 16:55.59 | slikts | I just want to be able to do "echo bla | mail -s "blabla" bla@example.com" |
| 16:56.23 | themill | then you either need to configure mutt to do that for you or configure an MTA to do that for you |
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| 16:56.42 | somiaj | you will need an MTA, if you don't like postfix pick another. I personally like postfix myself. MTA's are a bit of a pain to configure no matter which one you choose. |
| 16:56.52 | slikts | why would you like postfix >> |
| 16:56.57 | slikts | it doesn't even install for me |
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| 16:57.16 | somiaj | I found it easy to install, configure and manage (though I have very simple MTA needs) |
| 16:57.26 | themill | umm... so perhaps that's where we should be starting rather than calling it a heap of crap |
| 16:57.30 | WalterG | tremon: Yay the reboot worked! Thanks for your help |
| 16:57.30 | somiaj | slikts: why is it not installing? Do you have unoffical repos? |
| 16:57.33 | slikts | you get slapped with a config screen installing postfix and I haven't been able to google what the options like "satellite" mean |
| 16:57.47 | slikts | somiaj: no, it just fails, I'll try again |
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| 16:59.17 | slikts | somiaj: hah, it installed now because I chose the "internet site" option |
| 16:59.30 | slikts | before it failed with some hostname.(null) error because I chose satellite |
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| 17:00.07 | scampbell | You would require a master SMTP server to be a satellite to. |
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| 17:02.42 | riddley | how can I find the open bug reports for wheezy's openssl? my googling has been fruitless |
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| 17:04.17 | somiaj | riddley: bugs.debian.org |
| 17:04.26 | somiaj | riddley: fast search, bugs.debian.org/packagename |
| 17:04.56 | riddley | thanks |
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| 17:05.50 | deed02392 | Hi guys, I'd like to clone a live/hot Debian system's hard drive (one disk, 2 partitions) and then boot this image up in a virtual machine. Can anyone suggest if that is possible and how it might be done? |
| 17:06.25 | khem_ | is there any way to restore/reset a Debian install? i.e. reverting from unstable to stable, removing all but default packages etc? |
| 17:06.29 | deed02392 | So far I have considered rsyncing the whole disk drive and trying to boot this in a VM, but it's a big drive and it's online so it would take a long time to do that, hence I wanted to check here first |
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| 17:07.06 | slikts | using postfix really sucks |
| 17:07.18 | avernos | how can i check the current 'active and being used' firmware for my wireless dongle? |
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| 17:07.35 | valdyn | slikts: why are you telling us? |
| 17:07.36 | slikts | reading giant docs on SASL just to get the most basic functionality, yay |
| 17:07.43 | somiaj | avernos: check dmesg |
| 17:07.43 | avernos | i am trying to find the firmware file itself |
| 17:07.58 | slikts | valdyn: why do you ask? |
| 17:08.22 | somiaj | avernos: it should tell you what firmware file was loaded for your module |
| 17:08.26 | valdyn | slikts: because youre making noise |
| 17:08.34 | slikts | valdyn: *you're |
| 17:08.35 | themill | slikts: what are you really trying to achieve here? |
| 17:08.35 | tremon | deed02392: VM on the same machine? |
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| 17:09.19 | somiaj | khem_: there is no nice way to downgrade. I would reinstall if you want to get back to stable after you upgraded to unstable |
| 17:09.35 | riddley | the recent update to openssl stopped my offlineimap process from working. In debugging it, I've found that 'openssl s_client -connect $host -showcerts' isn't able to pull the certificate. gnutls-cli works fine though. Any openssl experts available/willing to help me determine the cause of the issue? |
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| 17:10.17 | deed02392 | no tremon, on a remote machine over a 50 Mb connection |
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| 17:11.35 | deed02392 | I'm not sure you know of it but there is a company called Kimsufi who offer 'dedicated servers', which are just cheap rack servers you get exclusive access to |
| 17:11.47 | tremon | deed02392: ouch. Then I'd use rsync, yes. But you need to prepare the remote machine first (partitioning, formatting) |
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| 17:12.05 | deed02392 | but where I ordered mine years ago, I'm now paying the same as what new customers pay for significantly better hardware, so I'd like to clone my current server and upgrade, then hopefully move it all back :0 |
| 17:12.25 | deed02392 | OK that shouldn't be an issue, the remote machine WOULD be the VM it would sit in |
| 17:12.42 | deed02392 | I will clone it to my house first, verify it all and then upload it back when I get a new one (or start from scratch and push back what I need) |
| 17:13.25 | tremon | deed02392: if it's within the same company, how about asking their tech support to migrate it? |
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| 17:13.40 | deed02392 | I have tried that and they say it's not in their remit to do that |
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| 17:13.46 | deed02392 | which is fair enough because they are very cheap servers |
| 17:14.11 | gnat_x | i'm working on a samba server that has a habit of locking up when multiple people are accessing the same largeish directory. i unfortunately haven't seen it happening yet; but apparently it floods the network, and make it unusable. |
| 17:14.14 | deed02392 | so I should set up a VM with the same file system setup as the source machine, install Debian onto it, then rsync each respective partition to it? |
| 17:14.24 | gnat_x | is that a common samba thing? |
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| 17:14.30 | somiaj | deed02392: would be just as fast to say get a newer image and then just rsync your data/configuration files? |
| 17:14.37 | avernos | somiaj, http://pastebin.com/VYty7RQJ that means the driver is htc_9271.fw, thats right? |
| 17:14.46 | tremon | deed02392: rsync is fastest. Given enough bandwidth, I'd probably have used lvm over nbd |
| 17:14.46 | gnat_x | or even uncommong but known... i'm having trouble finding anything. |
| 17:14.53 | deed02392 | gnat_x, I have heard of something like that happening because of the way Windows Server and Samba treat reads/writes differently |
| 17:14.59 | deed02392 | are files in that directory sparse files? |
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| 17:15.31 | tremon | deed02392: you don't really need the same partitioning layout, as long as you edit the relevant files (fstab, grub.cfg etc) on the new server |
| 17:15.34 | somiaj | avernos: the numbers inside the bracket are a timestamp since your computer booted. |
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| 17:15.43 | avernos | cool, thanks! |
| 17:16.14 | somiaj | avernos: though I don't see anything there that says what firmware file it used. I thought many Atheros didn't require firmware |
| 17:16.23 | deed02392 | but I won't have issues with rsync being unable to read certain files or missing out certain important blocks that stock it being bootable? |
| 17:16.33 | gnat_x | deed02392: hrm. not sure about the sparse files. |
| 17:16.36 | somiaj | avernos: oh wait, there it is, yea I would say that is the firmware file, should be located in /lib/firmware |
| 17:16.39 | deed02392 | or are suggesting I just copy directories and fiddle with it until it works within the VM? |
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| 17:17.20 | avernos | somiaj, i know its well supported on latest kernel, but when i was trying to use it on another box it complain about no driver.. |
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| 17:17.28 | valdyn | deed02392: theres always a component of your boot manager that cant just be rsynced |
| 17:18.03 | tremon | deed02392: monkeys fiddle, admins just do the right thing :) |
| 17:18.33 | Iridos | tremon, you can make good money with a fiddling monkey on the streets, though! |
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| 17:19.16 | tremon | deed02392: rsync works at the file level. Any specific boot blocks will not be copied, so you'll have to regenerate them (grub-install is one) |
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| 17:20.09 | avernos | somiaj, it still does, i guess apart from scp ing the firmware, i do have to do something else to tell it to use it |
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| 17:21.10 | cthuluh | /«/ |
| 17:21.15 | cthuluh | oops |
| 17:21.20 | somiaj | avernos: you need a kernel and firmware. In debian they are in seperate packages you have to install -- and firmware packages are in the non-free repo. |
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| 17:27.30 | imran-uk | amyone know how i can automagically set the gnome-term window title when i su ro root? |
| 17:27.41 | imran-uk | so it sats "root@..." |
| 17:27.43 | imran-uk | says |
| 17:27.57 | Iridos | you use escape-sequences to do that in xterms |
| 17:28.10 | Iridos | dunno about gnome terminal |
| 17:28.52 | imran-uk | Iridos, when i onvoke multitail to view a logfile, it sets the window title, but not when i initially su to root |
| 17:29.03 | Iridos | and you have to check that the terminal-type supports those in the login-script you set the PROMPT variable in (orPS1 or whatever) |
| 17:29.21 | imran-uk | yep, PS1 |
| 17:30.00 | imran-uk | maybe there is something i can whack into roots .bashrc |
| 17:30.16 | Iridos | dpkg, escape-sequences |
| 17:30.16 | dpkg | do a `man console_codes` |
| 17:30.29 | Iridos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:31.30 | imran-uk | Iridos, thanks - it says xterm only though (/me gnome-terminal) |
| 17:31.57 | imran-uk | but ,my env says TERM=xterm, does that mean it applies to me? |
| 17:32.09 | imran-uk | i too this as meaning the terminal emulator program xterm |
| 17:32.12 | imran-uk | took |
| 17:32.12 | Iridos | tias? |
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| 17:32.23 | axelis | Hello guys, i am trying to make rabbitmq-server start on boot. All the sources i found suggested to use "update-cd.d rabbitmq-server defaults". However this doesnt seem to work: issuing the command gives me a " using dependency based boot sequencing", no symlinks are created in the rcX.d direcotires and after a restart rabbitmq isnt running. After some further searching i found a second command which is supposed to be the 'new way' of do |
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| 17:32.47 | themill | imran-uk: try it and see. Much of that works quite nicely with konsole |
| 17:32.52 | taulus | I was wondering why it is often said that debian is not suitable for linux beginners? |
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| 17:33.31 | Iridos | taulus, beats me... perhaps they first need to encounter the horrors other distributions have to offer to appreciate debian? |
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| 17:34.46 | tremon | taulus: as iridos says, debian has a tendency to focus on The Right Thing (tm), which is not always the easiest solution or the most intuitive one |
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| 17:34.50 | imran-uk | taulus, compared to ubuntu? i think that perception comes from the text-based installer where you have to know about filesystems, if you need RAID,how to partiton etc. all things which can be done for you under ubuntu |
| 17:35.04 | taulus | Iridos I have to much choice as a beginner, I just need something that I can be productive with. That rules out any gnome 3 desktop for me. |
| 17:35.29 | abrotman | taulus: you might as well get used to gnome3 .. it's coming sooner or later |
| 17:35.55 | taulus | abrotman I am coming to this conclusion. |
| 17:36.19 | abrotman | or find a new WM |
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| 17:36.45 | themill | imran-uk: you can also just hit enter 7 times to install debian. You don't need to spend weeks learning about all those things to be able to install debian |
| 17:36.57 | abrotman | clinging to gnome2 isn't going to be a good thing |
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| 17:37.35 | Iridos | nobody forces you to use gnome, though... if you like desktop environments, there's KDE and XFCE and LXDE... if a simple window manager is sufficient, there's lots and lots... openbox I think is kinda nice insofar as it has quite sane defaults |
| 17:37.38 | tremon | taulus: debian has many alternatives to gnome3, but none are as comprehensive/full-featured. In my eyes, that's a pre (for example, my productivity starts one second after entering my password) |
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| 17:37.51 | imran-uk | themill, you and i know that but when that "low-level" stuff is exposed to a beginner it can appear scary/difficult. |
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| 17:38.26 | themill | imran-uk: it's not actually exposed unless you go looking for it |
| 17:38.32 | taulus | tremon I agree that all the glitz is distracting if thats what you mean? |
| 17:39.23 | abrotman | what glitz? |
| 17:39.32 | abrotman | must be using a different gnome3 |
| 17:40.13 | taulus | My choices seem to be gnome 3 or KDE. |
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| 17:40.31 | nkuttler | taulus: i like openbox |
| 17:40.38 | Iridos | I said that, too! |
| 17:41.09 | taulus | Whats the difference between a Desktop Environment and a window manager? |
| 17:41.21 | Iridos | taulus, anyway, no gnome 3 in squeeze... and wheezy will not be released within a year... so bit early to moan about gnome 3? |
| 17:41.36 | nkuttler | the window manager is one tool that does one thing. a de is a collection of many tools that do many things |
| 17:41.38 | Iridos | also lots of time to choose something else... |
| 17:42.11 | abrotman | a WM does more than one thing |
| 17:42.13 | Iridos | nkuttler, although... I find it hard to figure out what these things are |
| 17:42.19 | taulus | Iridos, I am considering Debian, I use linuxmint right now and ubuntu in the past, I feel more than able to complian about gnome 3. |
| 17:42.26 | tremon | taulus: for me it's about startup time. When I log in, I expect to be able to get to work directly. gnome's startup time is not bad, but e17 or i3 hardly even have startup time |
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| 17:42.39 | nkuttler | abrotman: well depends on your definition of thing |
| 17:42.54 | LordDeath | what is the easiest way to look into the default config files from a package? |
| 17:43.08 | Iridos | taulus, then let me state that more precisely: a bit early to moan about gnome3 **in #debian** |
| 17:43.09 | abrotman | nkuttler: you said a DE does many things :) |
| 17:43.22 | abrotman | !tell LordDeath about debian/rules |
| 17:43.29 | nkuttler | scratches his head |
| 17:43.54 | khem_ | is there anyway to get my Debian unstable install reset to 'defaults' ? |
| 17:44.10 | Justin | khem_: what defaults? |
| 17:44.22 | Iridos | oh well... a WM is just a program that keeps track of your graphical applications, a DE tries to ape MS-windows |
| 17:44.23 | ChibaPet | khem_: Purge the offending packages and reinstall them, if possible? |
| 17:44.26 | Iridos | abrotman, like that definition better? |
| 17:44.48 | taulus | To be honest if gnome 3 is coming to debian in the next few years I am out, looking to opensuse. |
| 17:44.51 | somiaj | khem_: best way is to reinstall stable. Debian dose not provide an automatic method to downgrade from unstable to stable. |
| 17:45.11 | Iridos | khem_, I thought someone answered that to you before... yes, there is a way to go back to squeeze cleanly and it's called "reinstall" |
| 17:45.11 | ChibaPet | taulus: Why? There are alternatives. You'll never be forced to use Gnome 3 by Debian. |
| 17:45.53 | ChibaPet | taulus: And if you like Gnome 2, XFCE is ready and waiting for you. |
| 17:46.04 | somiaj | taulus: I would just use squeeze (at least two years of support for it) and then decide if you want gnome3 at that time (maybe it will mature enough to be useable) or think about another DE/WM. |
| 17:46.05 | nkuttler | wonders if gnome 3 can really be worse than 2 :p |
| 17:46.11 | Iridos | taulus, that statement is just plain silly... anyway, you'Re not using debian now... so I don't see the point of that statement in any way |
| 17:46.26 | ChibaPet | nkuttler: It does a couple things that are annoying. There's no way to turn off window shadows, for instance. |
| 17:46.35 | themill | taulus: as already pointed out there are lots of alternatives and this discussion is not going anywhere. Time to move on, I suspect. |
| 17:46.38 | themill | dpkg: tell taulus about gnome3 ranting |
| 17:46.49 | taulus | True, just thinking out loud. |
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| 17:47.24 | taulus | To be honest I just want something stable and that doesn't change every 5 mins :) |
| 17:47.34 | imran-uk | ChibaPet, i found xfce pretty good but it lacks some nice things from gnome2 like the ability to easily add arbitrary apps to the panel |
| 17:47.35 | taulus | That fact led me here. |
| 17:47.43 | nkuttler | taulus: then stop using tools that *want* to change |
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| 17:48.23 | ChibaPet | imran-uk: Odd. I haven't had an issue adding custom launchers. That said, at least in Squeeze there isn't the ability to drag and drop them. |
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| 17:48.29 | imran-uk | i'm slowly getting used to unity and it's a big improvement in 12.04 but i feel i can be more efficient in gnome2 easily |
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| 17:49.26 | kevlarman | imran-uk: you can try xfce |
| 17:49.39 | Iridos | anyway debian stable releases seem to happen approximately every 2-3 years... I wouldn't call that "change every five minutes" |
| 17:49.42 | imran-uk | ChibaPet, yep - the lack of drag and drop is one of the first things i noticed |
| 17:50.33 | imran-uk | kevlarman, i'd miss gedit and all my nice gnome apps though. xfce went on my wifes laptop |
| 17:50.48 | kevlarman | imran-uk: you can still run gnome apps in xfce |
| 17:50.49 | ChibaPet | imran-uk: Perhaps this doesn't annoy me because I've grown addicted to dmenu_run, to the point where I don't tend to want launchers on the task bar any more. I mostly use the task bar for the clock now. |
| 17:51.01 | kevlarman | (they just look ugly because xfce can't theme gtk3 properly) |
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| 17:51.51 | taulus | Am I right in thinking that I could use any of the software I used on mint and ubuntu in debian? |
| 17:51.52 | imran-uk | kevlarman, i know but, well.. it seems messy - all the gnome shared libs in memory just for one app, would rather have a neat solution - someone fork gnome2 or maintain it (MATE project?) |
| 17:52.08 | Iridos | and it's funny... my xterms look the same in any WM and... I don't think drag&drop ever worked with them in any WM/DE |
| 17:52.32 | kevlarman | imran-uk: you realize that each app gets its own copy of the libraries? |
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| 17:53.30 | imran-uk | kevlarman, erm no - my understanding is that the lib is loaded in memory and that is shared among any and all apps that have to use the code in the lib. |
| 17:53.35 | Iridos | there is such a thing as shared memory, though... are you saying the read-only code from the libraries isn't shared? |
| 17:53.56 | Iridos | of course every program has its own stack and data |
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| 17:54.35 | kevlarman | that's assuming that the code is readonly |
| 17:54.44 | kevlarman | at best it's copy on write |
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| 17:55.09 | imran-uk | this is from reading stuff on mmap some months ago, which use gnome libs as an example. each gnome app started incrementally takes some memory but if it used the sharedlib then it would not allocate mem for it's own copy of that lib if it was already in memory |
| 17:55.14 | kevlarman | and iirc linus didn't like copy on write pages |
| 17:55.19 | Iridos | err... it usually is since the 80286 CPUs |
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| 17:55.38 | kevlarman | Iridos: nope |
| 17:55.57 | kevlarman | Iridos: it's less common on linux, but you can patch code in memory |
| 17:56.04 | imran-uk | kevlarman, does that make sense? am i wrong? are you a developer at that level? |
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| 17:56.30 | kevlarman | Iridos: on windows, it happens all over the place |
| 17:56.49 | abrotman | Iridos: scrolled off, too lazy :) |
| 17:57.08 | imran-uk | afk |
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| 17:57.17 | Iridos | !! SO lazy |
| 17:57.46 | born2troll | guys my grub is going crazy... it does not find my slackware partition and gives me that error message http://www.pasteall.org/30621 |
| 17:58.00 | maniek | Hi. I am using Debian Lenny as a file server in small company. Only samba, apache, exim. No xorg, no gui software. When shoul I upgrade to the latest release of Debian? How long will Lenny be supported? |
| 17:58.44 | Iridos | maniek, support ended about a month ago |
| 17:58.51 | Iridos | dpkg, lenny |
| 17:58.51 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
| 17:59.42 | maniek | oops |
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| 18:00.06 | Iridos | dpkg, lenny->squeeze |
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| 18:00.07 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
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| 18:01.53 | born2troll | guys my grub is going crazy... it does not find my slackware partition and gives me that error message http://www.pasteall.org/30621 |
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| 18:03.12 | Iridos | err, about 2 months ago |
| 18:03.17 | Iridos | time rushes so fast! |
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| 18:04.32 | maniek | wow, thats the fastet update howto I ever seen. |
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| 18:07.01 | Iridos | maniek, kinda compressed... the "READ THE <release notes>" leads to the details ( /msg dpkg release notes ) |
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| 18:10.54 | born2troll | guys my bootloader is whineing sth about blocklists and i dont know whats wrong... |
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| 18:11.28 | Justin | born2troll: what did you do to break it like that? |
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| 18:12.43 | born2troll | Justin, 2 grubs were fighting on 2 harddrives for beeing the true bootlader =( |
| 18:13.10 | tremon | born2troll: your posted error message says nothing about block lists... |
| 18:13.17 | born2troll | http://www.pasteall.org/30621 |
| 18:13.23 | tremon | ah, correction, it does |
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| 18:13.29 | taulus | OK I am installing Debian, any tips out there for a beginner? |
| 18:13.36 | tabakhase | hm, no "mail" no "sendmail" on a clear host running nullmailer - im having other hosts having nullmailer to, they got mailx installed - how to do so on a squeeze? (or whats the correct workaround?) |
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| 18:13.59 | born2troll | okey guys i dont know what it is but i want it fixed |
| 18:14.04 | tabakhase | saing "i already get my mail from cron, so mailing itself works, i just need a cmd for dropin" |
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| 18:14.22 | tremon | born2troll: "The GRUB boot loader was previously installed to a disk that is no longer present" |
| 18:14.23 | andornaut | Hi, anyone know how to "un freeze" a hd using hdparm? I'm trying to secure erase a drive by using hdparm's --security-erase feature, but can't since the bios is in a "frozen" state... |
| 18:14.30 | Iridos | tabakhase, install bsd-mailx? |
| 18:14.51 | tremon | born2troll: as justin said, what did you do to grub's config? |
| 18:14.55 | born2troll | tremon, fine... i know what it is but still want it fixed =( |
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| 18:15.10 | born2troll | tremon, i dont know |
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| 18:15.51 | born2troll | tremon, i purged and reinstalled grub a view minutes before... |
| 18:15.54 | tabakhase | Iridos exacly what i was looking for, thy |
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| 18:16.35 | Iridos | tabakhase, have a look at apt-file so you can answer the question yourself next time :) |
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| 18:16.41 | Iridos | dpkg, tell tabakhase -about apt-file |
| 18:17.04 | born2troll | dont give up on me... i wanna help you helping me but i dont know how |
| 18:17.04 | ocmsRzr | hi, I'm trying to use nm-applet to manage my network. Wicd is kinda spotty. I can't get nm-applet to use gnome-keyring. I either get messages that I don't have permission, or I get messages that there are no secrets in the keyring and it continuously queries me for the network password and never connects, I'm using xfce4 daemons with stumpwm as a window manager |
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| 18:17.38 | somiaj | ocmsRzr: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 18:17.48 | Justin | born2troll: reinstall grub? |
| 18:17.56 | tremon | born2troll: one of the grub packages should ask you where to install it, don't know which one though. Try reconfiguring them |
| 18:17.58 | tabakhase | Iridos thats great... even due a simple search would already have told me that "mailx was just renamed to bsq-mailx" |
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| 18:18.03 | ocmsRzr | somiaj: Linux calypso 3.1.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Jan 10 05:01:58 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 18:18.03 | ocmsRzr | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.08 | born2troll | Justin, i did that 4 times already... |
| 18:18.09 | tabakhase | shame on me |
| 18:18.19 | ocmsRzr | debian wheezy |
| 18:18.59 | born2troll | tremon, i dpkg-reconfigured it like 3 times and purged and reinstalled it 3 times... im clueless... |
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| 18:19.50 | ocmsRzr | I'm using SLiM to log in, and .xinitrc to launch stumpwm. |
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| 18:20.01 | somiaj | ocmsRzr: that isn't a version of debian. What version of debian are you running? |
| 18:20.05 | tremon | born2troll: dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc asks me "This menu allows you to select which devices you'd like grub-install to be automatically run for" |
| 18:20.07 | Iridos | tabakhase, dunno... but apt-file also found heirloom-mailx |
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| 18:20.16 | xNaN | hi to all |
| 18:20.21 | somiaj | ocmsRzr: sorry, yea got to that, there were some bugs about the gnome-keyring, go browse the bts |
| 18:20.40 | somiaj | ocmsRzr: I thought most were fixed, but since you have an older kenrnel maybe you aren't updated or are still being effected by the bug. |
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| 18:21.31 | adminewb | in the past several months infrequent system lockups occur after a page fault someone didn't know how to handle; vitals of a crash dump appear on screen in character mode; for a long time I was presuming these crashes were because of CPU core voltage / frequency settings, but now... |
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| 18:22.32 | born2troll | tremon, ahhh... i allways selected all because i thought its asking me what partitions i wanna bind in... |
| 18:22.48 | born2troll | tremon, i should read more... |
| 18:22.56 | tremon | adminewb: how do you know to trust the binaries on the system? If you've been running on faulty hardware, how do you know your executables aren't corrupted? |
| 18:22.58 | adminewb | now I notice that in a crash dump of the stack there are references to the 802.11 wireless driver module, for packet transmit wrap up... someone have ideas how I can further the diagnosis? |
| 18:23.28 | born2troll | i restart now brb |
| 18:23.42 | tremon | adminewb: blacklist the module and try to stress the machine |
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| 18:23.58 | adminewb | tremon without the module I have no network |
| 18:24.01 | boudiccas | when trying to run vlc with an avi file i get this error message ..... Potential ALSA version problem: VLC failed to initialize your sound output device (if any). Please update alsa-lib to version 1.0.23-2-g8d80d5f or higher to try to fix this issue. .... i'm using the default vlc so how do i overcome this problem please? |
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| 18:24.31 | adminewb | tremon, what would be a good stress test to gain more confidence that binaries are not corrupted? |
| 18:24.45 | tremon | adminewb: we have debsums for that (iirc) |
| 18:25.08 | tremon | adminewb: stress testing is for the hardware, not the software |
| 18:25.13 | micols | or md5sum or sha256sum |
| 18:25.20 | micols | usually available online somewhere |
| 18:25.27 | micols | to check against |
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| 18:25.45 | micols | but debsums is much easier usually |
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| 18:25.54 | ocmsRzr` | if packages are kept back from upgrade, how do I force them to be upgraded? |
| 18:25.54 | adminewb | debsums? |
| 18:26.05 | born2troll | okey grub stopped bitching now but stil does not recognise my slackware partition... |
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| 18:26.35 | tremon | born2troll: is os-prober installed? |
| 18:26.53 | tremon | !debsums |
| 18:26.54 | dpkg | it has been said that debsums is a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to also check configuration files: "aptitude install debsums; debsums -a -s". Most packages come with md5sums included in the package; if apt's package cache is clean, then generate missing sums with "aptitude reinstall `debsums -l`". |
| 18:26.54 | born2troll | tremon, i dont have the slightest clue what it is |
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| 18:27.29 | tremon | ,info os-prober |
| 18:27.30 | judd | Package os-prober (utils, extra) in squeeze/i386: utility to detect other OSes on a set of drives. Version: 1.42; Size: 23.2k; Installed: 184k |
| 18:28.02 | born2troll | ah... its a lib |
| 18:28.04 | born2troll | on it |
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| 18:28.46 | boudiccas | when trying to run vlc with an avi file i get this error message ..... Potential ALSA version problem: VLC failed to initialize your sound output device (if any). Please update alsa-lib to version 1.0.23-2-g8d80d5f or higher to try to fix this issue. .... i'm using the default vlc so how do i overcome this problem please? this is on a fully updated squeeze box |
| 18:28.48 | born2troll | tremon, it is already on the newest version... |
| 18:29.30 | tremon | born2troll: you can use /etc/grub.d/40_custom to add your own grub entries then |
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| 18:31.24 | boudiccas | when trying to run vlc with an avi file i get this error message ..... Potential ALSA version problem: VLC failed to initialize your sound output device (if any). Please update alsa-lib to version 1.0.23-2-g8d80d5f or higher to try to fix this issue. .... i'm using the default vlc so how do i overcome this problem please? this is on a fully updated squeeze box and vlc version 1.1.3 |
| 18:31.31 | boudiccas | ,versions vlc |
| 18:31.32 | judd | Package: vlc on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; wheezy: 2.0.0-6; sid: 2.0.1-4; sid-multimedia: 1:2.0.1-0.0; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.1-0.0 |
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| 18:32.12 | khem_ | how can i moutnt udev onto an additional mountpoint, for intsance in a chroot? |
| 18:32.25 | born2troll | tremon, nice but i have no cloe what my menu entry is... its installed on /dev/sdb2 and /dev/sdb1 is the swap... |
| 18:32.32 | born2troll | tremon, im clueless what to do.. |
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| 18:32.46 | KaKila | udisks (or mount) question: I can mount a partition but I cannot execute scripts in it. I read the help, I can find the option exec for udiks. Help? |
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| 18:33.13 | KaKila | *can't set exec when mounting |
| 18:33.39 | Iridos | boudiccas, might just be another program using your sound device and blocking it... that shouldn't happen anymore (hasn't happened to me in ages), but still does with some rareish circumstances... fuser /dev/dsp /dev/snd/* - if it prints PIDs, look what processes that are with "ps aux |grep PID" (remove the c,b or whatever character fuser has at the end) |
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| 18:34.23 | nsadmin | KaKila, what are you trying to mount? |
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| 18:34.36 | boudiccas | thanks Iridos i looked in top but couldnt see anything relevant |
| 18:34.39 | KaKila | nsadmin: normal HDD in /dev/sdb1 |
| 18:34.52 | nsadmin | filesystem type? |
| 18:35.07 | KaKila | nsadmin: it is mounted but I can't execute files or set the executable flag |
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| 18:35.14 | nsadmin | filesystem type? |
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| 18:35.38 | KaKila | nsadmin: mount -l says "type fuseblk" |
| 18:35.41 | shinanca | KaKila: fdisk -l /dev/sdb |
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| 18:35.54 | nsadmin | hmm. dunno what that is. |
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| 18:36.11 | born2troll | tremon, can i have a hint please what i have to type in in that file? |
| 18:36.29 | Iridos | boudiccas, if that's it, just close/kill the program that does it... it often seems to happen when the program uses the OSS compatibility layer... try to reconfigure the program that causes the blocks or call it with aoss <programname> instead... (aoss is a wrapper that forces the use of alsa) |
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| 18:36.51 | nsadmin | KaKila, it could be the filesystem code for that type does not support execution of files |
| 18:37.04 | boudiccas | Iridos, thanks |
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| 18:37.08 | shinanca | KaKila: do you have sudo? or root password? |
| 18:37.09 | KaKila | nsadmin: ok fdisk is having some troubles without sudo it says "Cannot open /dev/sdb1 |
| 18:37.09 | KaKila | " |
| 18:37.35 | KaKila | nsadmin: with sudo it says "This doesn't look like a partition table |
| 18:37.36 | KaKila | Probably you selected the wrong device." |
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| 18:37.52 | shinanca | KaKila: not sdb1, fdisk -l /dev/sdb |
| 18:38.15 | mjt | /dev/sd* are correctly not accessible to non-superuser, and /dev/sda>1< is the partition, you need /dev/sda not sda1 |
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| 18:38.26 | KaKila | shinanca: nsadmin: ok, it says HPFS/NTFS/exFAT |
| 18:38.30 | classroom | hello |
| 18:38.37 | tremon | born2troll: /boot/grub/grub.cfg should provide you with some answers, it's the auto-generated config |
| 18:38.43 | nsadmin | your partition table is on your whole disk, not a partition (altho people have tried,,, I once partitioned a floppy :) |
| 18:38.53 | KaKila | got that, thanks |
| 18:39.14 | classroom | www.snowlinux.de |
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| 18:39.49 | shinanca | KaKila: you answered +) on exFat,NTFS you can`t set execute flag |
| 18:40.10 | KaKila | shinanca: funny is whne I did th epartition I choosed ext4 for that |
| 18:40.31 | mjt | actually both supports +x, but in a weird way (it is mapped to one of (system,archive,hidden)) |
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| 18:41.06 | mjt | or maybe it is just fat-based FSes does it this way |
| 18:41.15 | mjt | (isn't exFAT one of them?) |
| 18:41.22 | KaKila | ok, guys. Thanks, I will put my exec files somewhere else...mmm 1.6T wasted... damm |
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| 18:42.01 | nsadmin | well you could back it up and reformat |
| 18:42.09 | shinanca | KaKila: just run with "bash ./script" for example |
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| 18:42.28 | shinanca | KaKila: or reformat |
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| 18:42.51 | KaKila | shinanca: I will consider that. Thanks |
| 18:43.00 | boudiccas | Iridos, could it be with me trying to associate avi files with vlc using the file choosing gui, i dont know its name and cant find anywhere that shows it. it only happens in vlc, not totem |
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| 18:43.18 | born2troll | tremon, it does not... there is just debian and debian recovery in it... |
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| 18:43.55 | born2troll | tremon, and i have no idea what to look for too |
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| 18:51.01 | Iridos | boudiccas, that was the most likely cause if you didn't change any configuration... if you did... change it back? |
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| 18:52.54 | born2troll | i repaired grub, i doublechecked if slackware is installed correctly, but i still have no idea how to add it |
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| 18:53.14 | born2troll | i could paste you that config and you tell me what i have to write in there? |
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| 18:53.36 | abrotman | it doesn't work that way really |
| 18:53.59 | boudiccas | Iridos, i ran totem on it for a while and then closed it and opened it with vlc and it now runs perfectly! weird! i can only assume that a temporary glitch was cleared when i closed totem and started vlc |
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| 18:55.45 | Iridos | boudiccas, try running totem (first) and vlc at the same time... |
| 18:55.45 | taulus | is 1280 x 1024 the highest res' you can use in debian? |
| 18:56.12 | Iridos | taulus, no. The monitor tells the X server what its highest supported resolution is |
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| 18:56.44 | born2troll | http://pastebin.com/zm4guGe1 here it is... you have a idea what my slackware partition is? |
| 18:57.06 | taulus | The monitor is Unknown? |
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| 18:58.09 | Iridos | born2troll, I see "# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE" |
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| 18:58.55 | born2troll | Iridos, fine you know how to add my slackware partition on /dev/sdb2 in grub? |
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| 18:59.41 | Iridos | I didn't follow your conversation during the last hour |
| 18:59.57 | Iridos | but seems obvious/likely you're looking at the wrong file |
| 19:00.33 | born2troll | Iridos, well to make it short grub is refusing to notice i have installed slackware on my secound harddrive /dev/sdb and i am trying to add it in the boot record |
| 19:00.38 | boudiccas | Iridos, i get the same error message as before, so it seems likely that i was trying to run a second program using the sound card |
| 19:01.30 | boudiccas | ah well, back to downton abbey |
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| 19:02.30 | Iridos | boudiccas, well... then try "aoss totem" and then run vlc |
| 19:03.01 | Iridos | (do not forget to close the original totem that blocked it) |
| 19:03.16 | Iridos | aoss is in the alsa-oss package |
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| 19:03.43 | boudiccas | Iridos, i was goign to say, aoss is an unknown command |
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| 19:04.07 | Iridos | well... you been here a while... |
| 19:04.09 | Iridos | !installit |
| 19:04.09 | dpkg | Your box does not come with every application, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 19:04.15 | Iridos | :D |
| 19:04.47 | Isaiahhhhh | can anyone speak to the compatability with android rom compilations of debain? |
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| 19:07.12 | boudiccas | Iridos, just have and then run aoss like you said and runnign vlc at the same time i get the same error message |
| 19:07.37 | Iridos | oh well |
| 19:07.41 | Iridos | nuffin's perfect |
| 19:07.47 | boudiccas | :) |
| 19:08.04 | boudiccas | thanks anyway, problem sorted :) |
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| 19:28.00 | brotatos | is rtorrent a tcp or udp client? |
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| 19:28.34 | guardian | hi |
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| 19:28.48 | guardian | what's the average delay when a package enters squeeze backport's new queue? |
| 19:29.12 | mjt | delay between what and what? |
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| 19:29.32 | daemonkeeper | They need to be manually approved, thus it can range from a few hours to days or even weeks. |
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| 19:33.06 | youlysses | Does squeeze still have Gnome2 in its repos, or is it on v3? |
| 19:33.21 | jordanm | squeeze will always be gnome2 |
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| 19:33.50 | youlysses | Im running wheezy, and was wondering. :-P |
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| 19:38.02 | XonXor17 | Does anyone know of any good window themes for gnome? |
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| 19:44.47 | magnet | hi there, a server of mine (no physical access) seems to have mbr problems. When booting, it stops at the message "Loading linux ebda is big; kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage". I had it rebooted to rescue mode and I only have a shell access. I guess it's a matter of running lilo but I'd rather do it right immediately, so if anyone here has experience with the matter / lilo, some help would be greatly appreciated! |
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| 19:45.57 | jordanm | !lilo |
| 19:45.57 | dpkg | LILO (LInux LOader) is an operating system boot loader for x86 systems. Documentation is packaged in lilo-doc. http://wiki.debian.org/LILO http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LILO.html http://lilo.alioth.debian.org/ . See also <grub>, <grub2>. |
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| 19:46.20 | magnet | that's a start :) |
| 19:46.22 | jordanm | there was a lot of discussion about lilo support being dropped due to the growing size of the kernel. I am not sure what came of that |
| 19:46.26 | streuner | magnet: what kind of kernel? |
| 19:46.32 | jordanm | magnet: did you just upgrade from lenny to squeeze? |
| 19:46.39 | streuner | custom? |
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| 19:47.18 | magnet | it's booted on another kernel now, I forgot what it was running prior to that |
| 19:47.21 | magnet | i'll check |
| 19:47.28 | magnet | but not custom, no |
| 19:47.45 | magnet | we used to build our own kernels but afaik we're back to debian kernel for some time |
| 19:48.04 | streuner | afiaik... |
| 19:48.10 | magnet | actually I'm not alone administrating the server and I've not been involved with upgrading the kernel for some time |
| 19:48.11 | streuner | afaik... |
| 19:48.25 | streuner | great |
| 19:48.35 | streuner | tell us more, if you *know* |
| 19:48.39 | magnet | I know the other admin is supposed to :) |
| 19:48.48 | magnet | i'll check |
| 19:49.08 | magnet | vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 19:49.20 | magnet | and vmlinuz-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 19:49.23 | magnet | both are installed |
| 19:49.45 | magnet | cat /mnt/etc/debian_version |
| 19:49.45 | magnet | 5.0.9 |
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| 19:50.11 | jordanm | magnet: what is the default in /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
| 19:50.15 | jordanm | oh, lilo |
| 19:50.20 | jordanm | magnet: /etc/lilo.conf |
| 19:50.21 | streuner | yeah |
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| 19:50.45 | streuner | Who cares, its a kernel problem... |
| 19:50.50 | jordanm | ,versions lilo |
| 19:50.51 | judd | Package: lilo on i386 -- lenny: 1:22.8-7; squeeze: 1:22.8-10; sid: 1:23.2-3; wheezy: 1:23.2-3 |
| 19:50.57 | magnet | http://pastebin.com/7csVmC9U |
| 19:50.58 | jordanm | it would be good to know which kernel |
| 19:51.20 | WilliamWS | hello, I installed cwirc and it needs /dev/dsp , I have my 2 soundcards working fine. but I have no dsp on my /dev. how cna I fix that? |
| 19:51.50 | jordanm | WilliamWS: install alsa-oss |
| 19:52.16 | magnet | /mnt/vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 19:52.28 | magnet | 2.6.26-2-686 seems to be the kernel failing |
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| 19:52.36 | WilliamWS | jordanm thank you so much. |
| 19:52.39 | streuner | why should someone care, if he dont use OSS |
| 19:52.46 | jordanm | ,kernels |
| 19:52.47 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.3.0-trunk-686-pae (3.3-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.13-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-2-686-pae (3.2.12-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.12-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-41squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 19:53.21 | magnet | lenny then |
| 19:53.37 | jordanm | lenny is EOL |
| 19:53.43 | magnet | also, regarding that lilo.conf, /boot is indeed on /dev/hda2 |
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| 19:54.07 | magnet | jordanm: yes but only very recently |
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| 19:54.22 | jordanm | personally, I would reinstall the kernel package, and if that fails install grub |
| 19:54.24 | magnet | I had 404 on security.debian.org for about a week maybe, planning a dist-upgrade |
| 19:55.01 | magnet | jordanm: I don't really know how to reinstall it now, i'm in a limited environment (busybox) |
| 19:55.07 | streuner | hm, not only a kernel issue, it seems its a DNS issue too |
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| 19:55.38 | magnet | ? |
| 19:55.41 | streuner | but, if you using lenny, it makes perfect sense... |
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| 19:56.25 | jelly-home | !tell magnet about lenny sources.list |
| 19:56.26 | streuner | well, you dont have a plan using a server in Debian or your admin |
| 19:56.37 | jelly-home | magnet: also: read the topic. |
| 19:56.43 | magnet | thanks jelly |
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| 19:57.23 | magnet | anyway, I can't upgrade right now |
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| 19:58.17 | magnet | my old / is mounted on /mnt |
| 19:58.28 | magnet | and I'm in a rescue console, with a limited environment |
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| 19:58.41 | magnet | my plan so far is to chroot /mnt and run lilo |
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| 19:59.58 | Jimmothy | Hi. I am having problems with setting up a wireless card and Network Manager. I can run ifconfig ra0 up and it comes up, i can run iwlist ra0 scanning and see my wifi. But NetworkManager doesn't seem to do anything at all. |
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| 20:01.05 | bytetracker | Its been my experience you can use 1 or the other not both. |
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| 20:01.31 | bytetracker | make sure your /etc/network/interfaces file is blanked, and try filling in network manager |
| 20:01.48 | Jimmothy | Ok i'll give that a go |
| 20:01.51 | bytetracker | blanked except the norm, loop back etc... |
| 20:02.32 | bytetracker | don't expect to find any data you put in network manager in the interfaces file. |
| 20:03.10 | bytetracker | itll prob just be blank. I havn't really looked into it all to figure it out, but so far my experience shows their different config's and configging both will mux it up. |
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| 20:03.50 | bytetracker | you an use sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart / start / stop etc... with networkmanager. |
| 20:03.57 | bytetracker | just nothing interface specific |
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| 20:05.52 | magnet | [ 0.000000] Linux version 2.6.26-2-686 (Debian 2.6.26-26lenny1) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) #1 S |
| 20:05.52 | magnet | MP Thu Nov 25 01:53:57 UTC 2010 |
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| 20:07.13 | Jimmothy | Still no luck |
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| 20:13.46 | onoez_omg | hey guys, can someone give a tip, i wonder if ipv6 support is already included into openvpn squeeze package? |
| 20:14.30 | craigevil | onoez_omg, should be since ipv6 is supported by the kernel |
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| 20:16.19 | lopret | hey |
| 20:16.51 | passstab | hey |
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| 20:17.23 | onoez_omg | craigevil, thx, looks like squeeze package supports all the needed stuff |
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| 20:19.16 | lopret | i've 2 disk one ssd one sata3 |
| 20:19.35 | lopret | i want to delete to disc to factory settings |
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| 20:19.58 | lopret | meaning i want to remove all partitions |
| 20:20.05 | lopret | on both two disk |
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| 21:23.34 | DiscipleOfDante | Is this the official Debian IRC? |
| 21:23.59 | tremon | as official as it will ever get |
| 21:24.57 | jordanm | DiscipleOfDante: no, the official channel is on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:24.59 | njduuw | If I want to change my dns-nameserver, is it enough to configure /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 21:25.24 | jordanm | njduuw: depends on if you are using network-manager, resolvconf, or not |
| 21:25.35 | njduuw | how can I check that? |
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| 21:26.30 | jordanm | is network manager running? are there any nameserver entries in /etc/resolv.conf? does /etc/resolv.conf have a comment about being written by network-manager |
| 21:26.45 | njduuw | I configured resolv.conf and dns stopped working so I assume it is working? |
| 21:27.14 | njduuw | I changed my ISP:s nameserver to third party dns |
| 21:27.23 | njduuw | and it doesn't respond |
| 21:27.28 | jordanm | you can always write to resolv.conf regardless of how else its configured, it will just be overwritten later if something else controls it |
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| 21:28.20 | njduuw | I have tried so many different name servers and it doesn't work. I mean only to configure resolv |
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| 21:28.54 | njduuw | network-manager is running! |
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| 21:29.17 | njduuw | So I kill it and then see what'll happen |
| 21:29.19 | DiscipleOfDante | Well this is all I really need. I have just a few questions, having never used Debian itself before. |
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| 21:30.33 | passstab | DiscipleOfDante, what are they? |
| 21:30.36 | DiscipleOfDante | They are pretty stupid questions so I apologize ahead of time |
| 21:31.00 | DiscipleOfDante | First. Can Debian be a rolling release distributions (sort of)? |
| 21:31.03 | njduuw | jordanm: stopping network-manager wasn't enoyugh. Is there another config file I should look at? |
| 21:31.07 | passstab | yes |
| 21:31.16 | passstab | if you use testing like me |
| 21:31.29 | jordanm | njduuw: what exactly did you put in resolv.conf? |
| 21:31.46 | passstab | (we'er all n00bs here ;) |
| 21:31.49 | thewanderer1 | DiscipleOfDante, you can use testing or sid, but it's not designed to be rolling release - things may break and it's not uncommon |
| 21:32.04 | ekontsevoy | Can anyone point me to a manual/tutorial on configuring xorg to run on two external monitors? I can do it using xrandr commands, but can't figure out what to put into xorg.conf to have the proper configuration by default. I do not use gnome/kde so I need a lower level xorg setup. |
| 21:32.15 | passstab | i'm doing well with it so far |
| 21:32.28 | thewanderer1 | DiscipleOfDante, you have, however, backports.debian.org at your disposal, which can provide updated packages, or ask dpkg about ssb (/msg dpkg ssb) |
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| 21:32.46 | DiscipleOfDante | Testing it is. Dude I am coming out of Arch, and before that used a distribution based on MDV's cooker. I am not afraid of breakages. |
| 21:32.59 | njduuw | jordanm: I tried couple of IP:s on that list: http://portforward.com/networking/dns.htm |
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| 21:33.07 | passstab | DiscipleOfDante, good choice |
| 21:33.18 | jordanm | njduuw: what *exactly* did you put in resolv.conf? |
| 21:33.21 | DiscipleOfDante | Well thewanderer1 if worst comes to worst I can use LMDE but I want to give Debian itself a try |
| 21:33.28 | passstab | also you may want to look at CUT |
| 21:33.39 | DiscipleOfDante | Second, is it relatively easy to install with e17? |
| 21:33.41 | njduuw | jordanm: nameserver 130.244.127.161 |
| 21:33.53 | passstab | http://cut.debian.net/ |
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| 21:34.00 | passstab | yes |
| 21:34.08 | karlpinc | !tell DiscipleOfDante about overview |
| 21:34.12 | passstab | apt-get install e17 |
| 21:34.38 | DiscipleOfDante | Alrighty. Will that include the extra modules like Engage (can not live without engage |
| 21:34.52 | jordanm | njduuw: not a valid nameserver. try 8.8.8.8 |
| 21:35.17 | karlpinc | DiscipleOfDante: If nobody knows you could check e17 at packages.debian.org. |
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| 21:35.22 | DiscipleOfDante | I know the repo for Enlightenment so I can get it after install if necessary but I don't want extraneous environments on my system. |
| 21:35.27 | njduuw | I don't want to use google's :P I tried also 10.0.0.5 |
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| 21:36.56 | robokop | njduuw: 10.0.0.5 is a local lan ip address, so that would require you to run a resolver on the 10.0.0.5 host |
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| 21:37.17 | DiscipleOfDante | e17 is in testing. good to know :P |
| 21:37.37 | karlpinc | DiscipleOfDante: Yah. But I don't know what else is included, or packaged separately. |
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| 21:37.41 | tremon | DiscipleOfDante: it's quite an old version, but stable for me |
| 21:38.06 | njduuw | robokop: okay. that list is then full of shit :P |
| 21:38.26 | DiscipleOfDante | I can add the debian repository from enlightenment.org if necessary |
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| 21:39.19 | DiscipleOfDante | Alrighty last question. Has anyone here tried using the rtl8188ce with Debian Testing and, if so, have you had any trouble with it? |
| 21:39.58 | karlpinc | DiscipleOfDante: For testing support you can also try #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 21:40.18 | DiscipleOfDante | Alrighty I will check there. |
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| 21:40.28 | karlpinc | DiscipleOfDante: They might refer you to the bug tracking system. |
| 21:40.33 | karlpinc | !tell DiscipleOfDante about bts |
| 21:42.12 | dv310p3r | hey all, I've just installed ubuntu 12.04 on my laptop, and aside from the fact that my sound card works without issue, I HATE IT. Gnome 3 sucks, Unity sucks and Gnome 3 classic or fallback mode sucks. So, I'm here in search of something new. Since I've only ever been a Ubuntu user, I've never had to install my own desktop environment. |
| 21:42.15 | DiscipleOfDante | Ouch it looks like I might have troubles. I had trouble with udev 175 in multiple distributions. |
| 21:43.04 | dv310p3r | Can anyone suggest some good places to learn this. And what desktop environments can i use? I was really happy with Gnome 2 and all the Compiz stuff. I deleted the panels and just use AWN. I was so happy with that setup. |
| 21:43.20 | passstab | dv310p3r, have you tryed xfce? |
| 21:43.27 | jordanm | dv310p3r: install squeeze, gnome2 is the default desktop environment |
| 21:43.43 | passstab | or use ubuntu |
| 21:43.52 | jordanm | dv310p3r: just select "Desktop environment" in the installer and you will be ready to go |
| 21:43.54 | karlpinc | dv310p3r: dv310p3r gnome 2 is dead upstream, although there's a fork that may or may not live. So the next debian will have gnome 3, and may or may not have the fork. |
| 21:44.00 | passstab | and learn to install packages |
| 21:44.09 | jordanm | squeeze will be good for another 2 years or so |
| 21:44.11 | njduuw | there must be something wrong with my router or debian settings because none of those name servers didn't work, not even google's |
| 21:44.30 | jordanm | njduuw: could be filtered by your ISP. dig @8.8.8.8 google.com |
| 21:44.38 | njduuw | so If resolv.conf is the only place I should look at, I should blame my router? |
| 21:44.51 | jordanm | njduuw: or ISP. does the manual dig work? |
| 21:44.53 | njduuw | okay |
| 21:44.55 | passstab | dv310p3r, apt-get install AWN |
| 21:44.56 | dv310p3r | I've never heard of Squeeze, is it a desktop environment |
| 21:45.11 | jordanm | squeeze is the current stable version of debian |
| 21:45.12 | passstab | no it's a debian release |
| 21:45.19 | dv310p3r | what's the default debian desktop environment. |
| 21:45.21 | jordanm | you are in the #debian channel, where debian is supported |
| 21:45.30 | jordanm | gnome2 in squeeze |
| 21:46.10 | passstab | dv310p3r, is it important to you that you have the latest and greatest? |
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| 21:47.00 | jordanm | !sns |
| 21:47.01 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 21:47.11 | dv310p3r | passstab, no, but I will say that ubuntu 12.04 had really great performance, and also however the sound was being handled was working really well. on older versions of Ubuntu i'd have to do a bunch of hacks to get sound out of both speakers. In 12.04 it just worked. |
| 21:47.52 | passstab | geez |
| 21:48.05 | karlpinc | dv310p3r: The "debtags search x11::window-manager" command will show you all the window managers in debian. But I don't know how you see that without running debian. Perhaps packages.debian.org. |
| 21:48.35 | karlpinc | !tell dv310p3r about hard to use |
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| 21:48.49 | passstab | i was only trying to point out that debian is diffrent |
| 21:48.57 | passstab | in that regard |
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| 21:49.13 | passstab | !ssb |
| 21:49.13 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 21:49.35 | karlpinc | passstab: <overview> might be better |
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| 21:51.21 | passstab | just wondering |
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| 21:54.17 | passstab | that sns message is quite obnoxious |
| 21:54.56 | passstab | i don't thing wanting the latest ff is unreasonable |
| 21:55.03 | karlpinc | passstab: Lots of the factoids are obnoxious. It's what you get when you communicate only by typing. Brevity and pith. |
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| 21:55.17 | passstab | (or iw ;) |
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| 21:55.44 | karlpinc | passstab: You're free to install what you want. But we can't always support it. |
| 21:56.01 | jordanm | wanting the latest of package "x" is not unreasonable, but wanting the latest of everything generally is |
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| 21:56.30 | dv310p3r | So on debian and sorry for sounding like a newb, i can run all the same apps I can on ubuntu. Also, I can setup compiz etc... |
| 21:56.46 | jteguest | I am new to debian I was wondering what the kernel for debian systems uses is it GNU HURD ? |
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| 21:57.03 | jordanm | dv310p3r: yes |
| 21:57.06 | thewanderer1 | jteguest, does "Debian GNU/Linux" ring a bell? |
| 21:57.21 | passstab | jteguest, there is a herd version |
| 21:57.34 | passstab | also freeBSD |
| 21:57.41 | jteguest | well, I didn't know what the kernel was weather it used HURD or the linux kernel ? |
| 21:57.43 | thewanderer1 | but Linux by default |
| 21:57.52 | DiscipleOfDante | There is a BSD version of Debian. Nice. |
| 21:58.16 | tensorpudding | its not really a bsd version |
| 21:58.20 | passstab | not for actual use tho ;) |
| 21:58.23 | tensorpudding | it's debian with the freebsd kernel |
| 21:58.28 | karlpinc | DiscipleOfDante: You're allowed to sound like a newb. Yes, there's compiz. (And that's all I know about it.) |
| 21:58.30 | jordanm | both could get dropped pending the resolution on the new init system discussion (systemd vs upstart) |
| 21:58.32 | jteguest | what download / iso would you recommend if I want to start using Debian |
| 21:58.44 | jordanm | !netinst |
| 21:58.44 | dpkg | netinst is probably a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 21:58.52 | tensorpudding | jteguest, the stable release, for your architecture |
| 21:59.03 | tensorpudding | probably amd64 or i386 |
| 21:59.39 | karlpinc | jteguest: The link to the netinstall at the top of debian.org gets you both i386 and amd64. |
| 21:59.56 | thewanderer1 | jordanm, uh, there's an init switch pending? sounds horrible... |
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| 22:00.02 | DiscipleOfDante | Is the netinst image commandline only? |
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| 22:00.30 | DiscipleOfDante | I assume it is but I thought I would ask |
| 22:00.34 | jordanm | thewanderer1: yes for wheezy+1. debian is laggy behind other distros with still using sysvinit |
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| 22:00.41 | karlpinc | DiscipleOfDante: No. There's a text mode and a mouse mode. (why anybody cares that they have to use arrows instead of the mouse I don't know.) |
| 22:00.44 | jordanm | s/laggy/lagging/ |
| 22:01.01 | thewanderer1 | jordanm, but it's still just SNS - systemd and upstart have many cons :/ |
| 22:01.37 | themill | thewanderer1: so does sysvinit. But it would be nice not to have to repeat the entire discussion here that has been on debian-devel@ over the past 2 months |
| 22:01.38 | jteguest | Ok , so curious is debian os much different then somebody that has alot of experience in using ubuntu |
| 22:01.41 | DiscipleOfDante | I don't mind a comman line but I am so used to a GUI that a not having one available scares me. |
| 22:01.48 | thewanderer1 | themill, suppose you have a point there |
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| 22:02.28 | karlpinc | !tell jteguest about hard to use |
| 22:02.32 | jordanm | thewanderer1: its not SNS, there are many drawbacks to the old sysvinit system |
| 22:02.59 | thewanderer1 | well, anyway, any idea how likely it is to be realized? |
| 22:03.01 | karlpinc | jteguest: That's the big difference, you must enable repos to get some stuff people expect. See the <overview> factoid. |
| 22:03.33 | jteguest | so is it alot different |
| 22:03.47 | karlpinc | jteguest: Dunno. I don't use ubuntu. |
| 22:04.07 | jteguest | I though ubuntu was debian based ? |
| 22:04.30 | DiscipleOfDante | I am curious about something myself. When I was using LMDE I had trouble finding a repository containing up-to-date WINE packages for Debian. Does anyone know a good repository for it? |
| 22:04.32 | karlpinc | jteguest: Yes. They get most all their software from debian, or so I hear. |
| 22:04.45 | DiscipleOfDante | even winehq.org doesn't have recent wine packages. |
| 22:04.49 | DiscipleOfDante | for Debian. |
| 22:05.26 | karlpinc | DiscipleOfDante: The general expectation is to live with what you get, but there are solutions. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware for how to deal with wanting something specific. |
| 22:05.44 | karlpinc | ,versions wine |
| 22:05.45 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.0.1-3.5; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 22:05.53 | jteguest | so then debian is the mother of all linux distro's looking at the distro chart there is red hat , slack ware , and a few other at the root of the distro tree debian being one |
| 22:05.56 | themill | dpkg: tell DiscipleOfDante about newer wine |
| 22:06.27 | DiscipleOfDante | So there is not repository for it then, only packages. |
| 22:06.47 | tremon | DiscipleOfDante:http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ |
| 22:06.59 | DiscipleOfDante | Yes I saw that. |
| 22:07.03 | tremon | needs some space |
| 22:07.18 | tremon | no repository, indeed |
| 22:07.36 | DiscipleOfDante | Well that sucks |
| 22:07.59 | DiscipleOfDante | Oh well Que Sera Sera |
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| 22:12.14 | DiscipleOfDante | Sorry for all the stupid questions. Usually I tend to just jump in and try it and because of that, for the last month or so I have gotten nothing but failure when trying to find a good system for E17 |
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| 22:25.15 | johnny53287 | while upgrading debian lenny to squeeze, if get an "touch: setting times of `/etc/ld.so.nohwcap': Bad address" error and dpkg fails with error code 1. till now i couldn't figer out, what causes this problems |
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| 22:28.10 | tremon | johnny53287: wild guess, have you run fsck lately? |
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| 22:30.05 | johnny53287 | yes, fs is clean |
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| 22:31.29 | tremon | which arch? |
| 22:31.54 | johnny53287 | arch: i686 |
| 22:33.08 | tremon | well there goes the exotic architecture theory... |
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| 22:33.38 | tremon | I you need to use strace or gdb to find the cause |
| 22:34.22 | jteguest | Debian GNU/Linux does that use the linux kernel or something else ? |
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| 22:34.53 | jteguest | by linux I mean linus linux kernel |
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| 22:35.30 | themill | jteguest: exactly what other meanings of "Linux" have you come across? |
| 22:35.32 | tremon | jteguest: if you're asking whether Debian uses vanilla kernel sources, then no |
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| 22:36.16 | gear4 | how could I fix my apache2 ? |
| 22:36.16 | dekatch | i prefer the choco kernel :P |
| 22:36.24 | johnny53287 | dpkg also complaining while installing strace :( |
| 22:36.24 | dpkg | johnny53287: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 22:36.54 | dekatch | btw vanilla kernel! why it isnt called atom kernel or water kernel? |
| 22:36.54 | abrotman | gear4: that's a bit vague |
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| 22:36.59 | gear4 | I installed it, but, there's no /etc/init.d/apache2 , and on install, it said: Action 'configtest' failed. The Apache error log may have more information. Your apache2 configuration is broken, so we're not restarting it for you. |
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| 22:37.13 | gear4 | abrotman, yea, I was typing the details :P |
| 22:37.13 | thewanderer1 | could dpkg-bot be fixed to only react to dpkg[,\.:] ? |
| 22:37.14 | dekatch | this is the very beginning and basic instead of vanilla or? |
| 22:37.16 | abrotman | gear4: you removed it by hand didn't you ? |
| 22:37.20 | gear4 | no |
| 22:37.25 | abrotman | gear4: someone did |
| 22:37.27 | gear4 | sudo apt-get remove --purge apache2 |
| 22:37.30 | jteguest | well, I am just curious of what all the different GNU distros use for kernels is it all just linux kernel or is there some with totally different kernels. Because I can just come across one other GNU/hurd and It is not in a distro by default at least I haven't found one yet |
| 22:37.39 | joyinafk | so, does anyone here know if it's possible to get ffmpeg to use a GPU for acceleration in debian squeeze? |
| 22:37.46 | abrotman | !tell gear4 about confmiss |
| 22:37.48 | gear4 | abrotman, how :/ |
| 22:37.52 | abrotman | gear4: and the package is apache2.2-common |
| 22:37.53 | joyinafk | i've got a shitton of transcoding that needs to be done and my CPU isn't cutting it anymore |
| 22:38.01 | gear4 | hmm |
| 22:38.04 | gear4 | well |
| 22:38.10 | gear4 | sudo apt-get --purge apache2* |
| 22:38.12 | gear4 | i think |
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| 22:38.13 | abrotman | joyindescribable: ask the ffmpeg channel .. they'd probably know better than us |
| 22:38.18 | joyindescribable | will do, thanks |
| 22:38.19 | abrotman | gear4: which distro is this ? |
| 22:38.30 | dekatch | can i have an answere please to my really important question? |
| 22:38.30 | gear4 | Squeeze |
| 22:38.33 | gear4 | 6.0 |
| 22:38.35 | tremon | johnny53287: that suggests the error is in dpkg. maybe clearing some of dpkg's cache will work, although I suspect a library incompatibility. You can use dpkg-deb -x to extract packages manually (without configuration), strace is small enough that it might just work |
| 22:38.40 | gear4 | Not sure which EXACT |
| 22:38.43 | gear4 | I know it's 6 |
| 22:38.48 | abrotman | gear4: teh bot gave you an answer |
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| 22:39.00 | gear4 | I see |
| 22:39.09 | abrotman | dekatch: did you ask a question ? |
| 22:39.17 | DiscipleOfDante | Where are the sources for Debian stored again? |
| 22:39.18 | dekatch | yea abrotman :D |
| 22:39.21 | DiscipleOfDante | I forgot |
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| 22:39.34 | johnny53287 | good idea, i will try it |
| 22:39.41 | dekatch | why vanilla kernel is called vanilla kernel! wouldnt it make more sense to call it atom kernel or water kernel? |
| 22:39.47 | gear4 | DiscipleOfDante, /etc/apt/source.list/ |
| 22:39.48 | dekatch | i mean the basic of the basic? |
| 22:39.51 | abrotman | dekatch: try #defocus |
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| 22:40.02 | DiscipleOfDante | Okay thank youvery much gear4 |
| 22:40.04 | abrotman | DiscipleOfDante: /etc/apt/sources.list .. not what gear4 said |
| 22:40.10 | abrotman | or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 22:40.14 | gear4 | ups |
| 22:40.16 | DiscipleOfDante | Okay thanks |
| 22:40.20 | gear4 | I forgot the extra "s" |
| 22:40.23 | gear4 | >:( |
| 22:40.26 | gear4 | I fail at life |
| 22:40.27 | dekatch | ok, was discussing on windows about repos! they said : windows will unfortunately never get such a good repo system |
| 22:40.35 | DiscipleOfDante | I have not used anything debian based since LMDE like 6 months ago |
| 22:40.47 | abrotman | dekatch: do you have a Debian related question ? |
| 22:40.49 | dekatch | like linux* |
| 22:40.58 | DiscipleOfDante | hahahahaha nice |
| 22:40.59 | dekatch | abrotman not yet thank you :D |
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| 22:41.11 | DiscipleOfDante | dekatch: They did get something similar though |
| 22:41.15 | abrotman | dekatch: take a timeout, try to be more signal, less noise .. |
| 22:41.17 | DiscipleOfDante | Not as good but SOMETHING |
| 22:41.23 | DiscipleOfDante | Now I shall be back |
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| 22:41.46 | DiscipleOfDante | Oh shoot I forgot does Debian use grub-legacy or GRBU2 |
| 22:41.53 | abrotman | look and find out |
| 22:42.00 | gear4 | abrotman, so I type: aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall apache2 |
| 22:42.02 | lindenle | Hi all, what is the most simple mail setup for debian to be able to forward emails to a smarthost (other smtp server)? |
| 22:42.10 | Crooks_mobile | you get the option to use either during installation |
| 22:42.12 | abrotman | gear4: i told you the package name .. scroll up |
| 22:42.16 | gear4 | kk |
| 22:42.18 | gear4 | thanks |
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| 22:42.24 | abrotman | lindenle: ssmtp or nullmailer probably |
| 22:42.41 | gear4 | ah, thank you abrotman |
| 22:42.46 | lindenle | <abrotman> and do I use the mail command from bash? |
| 22:42.56 | abrotman | lindenle: huh ? |
| 22:43.13 | abrotman | lindenle: do you use it for what? |
| 22:43.44 | lindenle | abrotman: how do I send mail from a script (i.e. sendmail -t) with ssmtp |
| 22:44.05 | abrotman | lindenle: did you try it and see ? |
| 22:44.10 | gear4 | oh my |
| 22:44.15 | gear4 | abrotman, Invalid command 'Order', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 22:44.25 | gear4 | now I get this .. |
| 22:44.38 | abrotman | gear4: Order ? |
| 22:44.41 | gear4 | yes |
| 22:44.49 | abrotman | gear4: oh, that's your apache config .. no idea what you've done there |
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| 22:45.00 | gear4 | I done nothing ? |
| 22:45.16 | gear4 | this is a fresh install |
| 22:45.18 | abrotman | gear4: use paste.debian.net .. show us the whole error |
| 22:45.22 | gear4 | kk |
| 22:46.30 | gear4 | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/10d8c905/ |
| 22:46.56 | themill | gear4: a fresh install doesn't have apache and even if you then install apache, it doesn't have that error. If you can provide us with more information, we'll be able to help you better. |
| 22:47.00 | abrotman | so what's line 160 of tha tfile ? |
| 22:47.23 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.33 | gear4 | yes, themill |
| 22:48.10 | abrotman | gear4: how many parts of apache did you remove by hand ? |
| 22:48.16 | gear4 | abrotman, I didn't |
| 22:48.35 | themill | gear4: can you pastebin the output of "find /etc/apache2" for me? |
| 22:48.40 | abrotman | okay .. then i'm not sure what you've done .. because everything you've shown us so far says you removed apaache by hand |
| 22:48.42 | gear4 | ok |
| 22:49.21 | gear4 | themill, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/daf9c352/ |
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| 22:49.44 | gear4 | woah woah |
| 22:49.48 | gear4 | where's mods enables .. |
| 22:49.52 | gear4 | and sites enabled .. |
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| 22:50.01 | themill | gear4: deleting them will do that to you... |
| 22:50.30 | gear4 | damn |
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| 22:50.41 | gear4 | who could've deleted them .. |
| 22:50.46 | themill | umm... you? |
| 22:50.47 | abrotman | the crazy admin ? |
| 22:50.53 | gear4 | no, not me |
| 22:50.59 | gear4 | +1 people have root access |
| 22:51.08 | abrotman | ubuntu users? |
| 22:51.13 | gear4 | yes |
| 22:51.16 | gear4 | lol |
| 22:51.35 | themill | gear4: try running "/var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2.2-common.postinst" |
| 22:51.39 | gear4 | so, to enable modules |
| 22:51.44 | gear4 | themill, kk |
| 22:51.55 | gear4 | nothing happened |
| 22:53.03 | gear4 | oh |
| 22:53.09 | gear4 | now there's mods-enabled |
| 22:53.14 | gear4 | and sites-enabled .. |
| 22:53.19 | abrotman | less enter key .. |
| 22:53.46 | gear4 | sorry, I'm just used to doing that .. lol |
| 22:53.59 | abrotman | so are we :( |
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| 22:57.10 | njduuw | Now I got this dns-problem solved so far that I can browse web but programs like wget or apt-get don't work |
| 22:57.36 | gear4 | themill, i still get the same error |
| 22:57.45 | njduuw | "Could not resolve 'debian.org'" |
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| 22:58.08 | themill | gear4: please pastebin the entire output of "aptitude install" |
| 22:58.37 | themill | (also "find /etc/apache2" again) |
| 22:58.37 | gear4 | themill, which package ? |
| 22:58.44 | gear4 | apache2 or .. |
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| 22:58.50 | gear4 | apache2.2-common |
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| 23:00.54 | gear4 | themill, request 1: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/5bc2eb52/ |
| 23:01.27 | gear4 | themill, request 2: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f9f235f6/ |
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| 23:03.06 | themill | gear4: gah.... run "/var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2.2-common.postinst configure" |
| 23:03.20 | gear4 | lol ok |
| 23:03.35 | gear4 | themill, as superuser right ? |
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| 23:04.39 | abrotman | gear4: yes |
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| 23:05.58 | gear4 | themill, done |
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| 23:06.08 | abrotman | gear4: so try to start the daemon |
| 23:06.18 | gear4 | kk |
| 23:06.27 | gear4 | Aha, works |
| 23:06.30 | gear4 | Lemme test |
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| 23:07.09 | abrotman | gear4: what's the moral of the story? |
| 23:07.31 | gear4 | ask for help more ? |
| 23:07.52 | themill | gear4: (a) keep backups (b) be careful who you give root access to (c) install etckeeper and learn how to use it |
| 23:07.54 | abrotman | gear4: don't delete files by hand |
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| 23:08.07 | gear4 | abrotman, I never deleted jack |
| 23:08.10 | gear4 | hmm |
| 23:08.15 | gear4 | I think I know who did |
| 23:08.44 | gear4 | Oh yes :) Thank you so much |
| 23:08.51 | abrotman | gear4: someone had to .. that doesn't happen magically |
| 23:08.57 | gear4 | I know who did delete it, abrotman |
| 23:09.00 | abrotman | oh .. unless your hard drive is about to explode |
| 23:09.18 | gear4 | Probably the guy who told me that there was an apache error, and had to remove some thing |
| 23:09.28 | gear4 | I never saw him in 3 months .. |
| 23:10.44 | njduuw | nslookup server 8.8.8.8 www.google.com |
| 23:10.45 | njduuw | nslookup: couldn't get address for 'www.google.com': not found |
| 23:11.31 | njduuw | whaat the hell :/ I've forwarded the 53 and tested many different nameservers. |
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| 23:12.48 | taulus | Monitor Unknown, want a resolution of 1920 x 1080, do i need to do something with X-org? |
| 23:13.29 | abrotman | njduuw: dig www.google.com @8.8.8.8 |
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| 23:13.43 | joyindescribable | #ffmpeg is completely dead, so imma ask in here on the off chance anyone knows: does ffmpeg support GPU acceleration in debian? |
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| 23:14.40 | abrotman | which version of Debian? which version of ffmpeg? |
| 23:14.56 | themill | njduuw: what do you mean by "forwarded 53"? |
| 23:15.35 | njduuw | router's nat port is forwarded to the server's lan ip |
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| 23:16.10 | njduuw | dig output ips |
| 23:16.18 | themill | njduuw: and what do you think «nslookup server 8.8.8.8 www.google.com» is going to do? |
| 23:16.32 | njduuw | but why apt-get and wget and other shell programs don't get ips? |
| 23:16.45 | abrotman | at least it looks like he tried to read the man page :) |
| 23:18.01 | njduuw | nslookup www.google.com 8.8.8.8 |
| 23:18.26 | njduuw | I'm too tired to learn from manuals :)D |
| 23:19.04 | njduuw | now I've no idea why then apt-get is not getting ips |
| 23:19.11 | njduuw | or wget |
| 23:19.11 | joyindescribable | abrotman squeeze and .9 |
| 23:19.15 | joyindescribable | please tell me it's possible |
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| 23:19.23 | joyindescribable | i have so much transcoding to do |
| 23:19.31 | abrotman | joyindescribable: /msg dpkg debian/rules .. look to see how the package was built |
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| 23:20.40 | njduuw | when I use exactly the same nameserver in resolv.conf none of my programs except nslookup, dig and web-browsers get ips |
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| 23:21.17 | njduuw | this thing is driving me mad :/ |
| 23:21.29 | abrotman | njduuw: what's in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 23:21.44 | njduuw | nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 23:21.47 | njduuw | and nothing else |
| 23:21.48 | themill | njduuw: can you stick the command you give and the output of each of these tools in a pastebin for us? |
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| 23:24.30 | njduuw | here: http://pastebin.com/StWF6qP4 |
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| 23:27.42 | njduuw | http://pastebin.com/2VVph1Bm here's outputs of dig and nslookup |
| 23:28.30 | njduuw | themill |
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| 23:28.58 | themill | njduuw: can you also pastebin "cat /etc/resolv.conf; nslookup www.google.com" |
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| 23:29.34 | abrotman | how about 'nslookup security.debian.org' ? |
| 23:30.06 | sha0lin | what is the default path for mysql outfile? i just dumped some data but i can't find it o_O |
| 23:30.34 | bytetracker | the screen |
| 23:30.55 | sha0lin | i meant with outfile "somefile" |
| 23:31.01 | bytetracker | outfiles have to be specified iirc |
| 23:31.02 | simonlnu | pwd |
| 23:31.08 | sha0lin | nah |
| 23:31.19 | sha0lin | it is not in the current dir |
| 23:32.01 | sha0lin | i know it is somewhere because i see ERROR 1086 (HY000): File 'dump' already exists if i retry |
| 23:32.35 | abrotman | find / -name dump ? |
| 23:32.56 | sha0lin | kk found it |
| 23:33.01 | sha0lin | "If you define no path, INTO OUTFILE will write into the database directory." |
| 23:33.12 | sha0lin | abrotman: i didn't really want to search a 2 tb hdd :p |
| 23:34.02 | abrotman | sha0lin: okay .. read the docs .. take your pick |
| 23:34.14 | abrotman | and it only counts if all 2TB are in use |
| 23:34.22 | njduuw | themill: abrotman http://pastebin.com/hgfz3qqS |
| 23:34.46 | sha0lin | abrotman: irc is easier than the doc and google didn't help me |
| 23:34.46 | njduuw | i missed the nameserver in resolv.conf but it's there, trust me |
| 23:34.49 | sha0lin | the hdd is 4tb |
| 23:34.51 | themill | njduuw: umm... you might want to look at your /etc/resolv.conf again |
| 23:34.52 | taulus | What format should I use for a drive to instal debian on? Ext4? |
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| 23:35.05 | sha0lin | fat32 |
| 23:35.05 | njduuw | themill: I copy pasted erroneously |
| 23:35.12 | themill | o-0 |
| 23:35.15 | abrotman | njduuw: paste 'cat /etc/resolv.conf /etc/nsswitch.conf' |
| 23:35.47 | dvs | taulus: I like ext3 |
| 23:36.01 | bus3rr0r | and I like ext4 |
| 23:36.09 | bus3rr0r | so go with whatever makes you feel good |
| 23:36.14 | abrotman | taulus: test them both, choose the best for you |
| 23:36.17 | njduuw | abrotman: ok |
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| 23:36.32 | dvs | pushes HPFS |
| 23:36.50 | abrotman | heh |
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| 23:37.16 | born2troll | guys my keyboard went mad... everytime i pressed a button it made that error beep -.- |
| 23:37.26 | abrotman | in which OS? |
| 23:37.34 | sha0lin | nice nick born2troll |
| 23:37.36 | born2troll | debian stable |
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| 23:38.14 | born2troll | i think the layout is changed... |
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| 23:38.50 | born2troll | sha0lin plz im not in the mood |
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| 23:39.11 | born2troll | btw i found out why pulseaudio made that terrible sound |
| 23:39.13 | born2troll | its a bug |
| 23:39.25 | chelz | in /proc/crypto there's "min keysize" and "max keysize", but how do you find out what increment is allowed? say min 16, max 32. should 16-32 work? or factors of 2 or 8? |
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| 23:40.50 | taulus | are there advantages to having a seperate home partition? |
| 23:40.55 | bytetracker | taulus: depends on what data will be on there aside from the os. ext4 is default, some ppl use different formats for different partitions, i.e. xfs or reiserfs for log dir's, they deal with smaller files better. ext4 supposedly has 1024k support in latest kernel now, so if you have a lot of large files ext4. |
| 23:41.00 | somiaj | taulus: I like it for reinstalls |
| 23:41.03 | bytetracker | taulus: yes |
| 23:41.06 | born2troll | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/658915 |
| 23:41.10 | born2troll | got the same bug here |
| 23:41.31 | bytetracker | taulus: seperate home dir partition will allow you to reinstall os completely and not touch the home directory. |
| 23:41.35 | somiaj | taulus: all my personal data goes into /home, while the rest of my data populates the other partition. Makes reinstalls nice since I only have to backup a few config files (great on a desktop) -- servers it is nice to have things more seperated up |
| 23:42.00 | born2troll | anyone here looked at the bug? |
| 23:42.03 | taulus | thx |
| 23:42.23 | bytetracker | born2troll: looking |
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| 23:44.01 | dvs | taulus: If your installation goes upsy, you won't lose everything |
| 23:49.03 | born2troll | bytetracker, ur still looking? |
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| 23:58.28 | gear4 | OK, so |
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| 23:59.10 | gear4 | I've installed PHP onto Apache, and now it's giving me something called "download" |
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