| 00:00.02 | jhutchins_lt | !thinkpad |
| 00:00.03 | dpkg | [thinkpad] one of the best laptops you can buy, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. Some models restrict MiniPCI card use, see http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_unauthorized_MiniPCI_network_card . See also <gobi>, <hdapsd>, <martian>, <mwavem>, <slmodem>, <synaptics>, <tpb>, <trackpoint>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad http://www.thinkwiki.org/ ##ibmthinkpad on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:00.15 | jhutchins_lt | fredonja: add 1 or single to the boot options. |
| 00:00.52 | fredonja | only "1" after ...quiet? |
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| 00:02.19 | fredonja | jhutchins_lt: "starting hotplug..." and the it freezes |
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| 00:05.45 | fredonja | ok, thanks for trying, greetings from croatia :) see you sometimes ;) |
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| 00:09.36 | squibby | hey guys so noob question; I'm running 6.0.4 with the default gnome interface and all that. I've used synaptic package manager to install flow-tools from the repository. Now, it wasn't the version that I needed but at least it included an init script unlike when I download and compile the correct version from source. so what I did was I installed the incorrect version, copied the init script from /etc/init.d/ and then subsequ |
| 00:09.37 | squibby | ently removed flow-tools. I compiled the version I needed from source and placed the init script back in /etc/init.d. problem is, everything works correctly when I start it manually from the command line, but it doesn't automatically start when I boot the system. |
| 00:10.41 | squibby | I think it has something to do with the concurrent S run level boot that debian is doing, but I have no idea how to correct it. all I know for sure is that the filesystem and the network services need to be started before flow-tools attempts to start. |
| 00:10.42 | Diopter | init.d isn't sufficient by itself. You'll need to use insserv |
| 00:10.54 | Diopter | To get it added to /etc/rc?.d |
| 00:11.06 | squibby | insserv? |
| 00:11.25 | squibby | the only correction I attempted to make was to enable the service via the Services application in gnome. :/ |
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| 00:11.49 | Diopter | Gotta go. 'man insserv' |
| 00:11.56 | squibby | Diopter, ok thanks. |
| 00:12.17 | arietis | is there any way to test connection speed via SSH/terminal or web UI? like speedtest.net |
| 00:12.43 | squibby | arietis, if you have access to both ends of the connection I always prefer to use iperf. |
| 00:13.05 | squibby | iperf will get you orders of magnitude more accurate testing. |
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| 00:14.12 | arietis | squibby: i just wanna check the speed of my internet connection but i have console only |
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| 00:14.53 | arietis | and i have no idea how to do it with iperf to get proper speed |
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| 00:15.57 | giocos | Hello. i need some help: i need to exec root command from php |
| 00:17.31 | giocos | i already try to sudo www-data user. but the system ask me a password for that |
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| 00:18.49 | gnarface | giocos: bad idea, but you can accomplish it if you properly configure your /etc/sudoers |
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| 00:19.05 | zoologist | I'm a zoologist, and I use Perl daily in my work, ask me anything. |
| 00:19.22 | zoologist | Perl and Debian |
| 00:19.56 | giocos | what you sugger me? |
| 00:20.18 | zoologist | sugger ? |
| 00:20.39 | giocos | sorry, suggest |
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| 00:20.56 | giocos | i try to do something like ispconfig or webmin |
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| 00:25.07 | nyingen | now, if he'd said "I'm a zoologist, and I use Squeak and Debian daily in my work", yeah I'd have been intrigued |
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| 00:25.41 | gnarface | dpkg, webmin |
| 00:25.42 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 00:27.58 | gnarface | giocos: read what the bot said about webmin |
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| 00:28.51 | gnarface | giocos: that said, the only reason you're failing to accomplish this the way you initially planned is because you didn't read the sudoers man page. for a second time now, i recommend you read it |
| 00:29.34 | gnarface | giocos: a properly configured sudoers can mitigate *some* of the risk (only a small amount) |
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| 00:29.39 | giocos | so, every php app that manage server is wrong |
| 00:29.53 | gnarface | such is the way of much php |
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| 00:30.13 | gnarface | its primary target audience isn't the highly experienced |
| 00:31.22 | gnarface | i write php myself, so i know |
| 00:31.47 | gnarface | its a mess of bad ideas, one after another, and you have to restrain yourself from using it in a dangerous fashion |
| 00:32.04 | gnarface | if you don't know the difference, then you're at high risk |
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| 00:32.25 | giocos | so if i want code something like ispconfig |
| 00:32.30 | giocos | how can i do? |
| 00:32.31 | gnarface | never heard of it |
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| 00:33.23 | kevlarman | gnarface: join the dark^Wpython side, we have cookies :P |
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| 00:33.27 | gnarface | if i were you i'd see what the bot said about alternatives to webmin. maybe something is at least less buggy, but what you're trying to do i probably would just do over ssh |
| 00:33.36 | gnarface | giocos: ^^ |
| 00:34.00 | gnarface | kevlarman: i think about it regularly but it was probably a mistake for me to ever have moved away from c++ |
| 00:34.21 | kevlarman | gnarface: i'd like to get away from web stuff :( |
| 00:35.35 | kevlarman | gnarface: but as far as web backend stuff, python is by far the most tolerable of the dynamically typed languages |
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| 00:36.20 | gnarface | kevlarman: noted. i've heard this from other sources as well. |
| 00:37.21 | Lint | is there an app in debian like cakewalk which can add text to midi files? |
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| 00:37.48 | giocos | i need to do some easy stuff.like create user, manage apache config. all this from web browser. but i want to program myself. What language can I use that guarantee me a little bit of security? |
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| 00:39.04 | gnarface | giocos: its not the language that will guarantee that. exposing such features to the web is implicitly insecure. that's the point you're failing to get |
| 00:39.54 | gnarface | giocos: either way you need to understand how to configure sudo first |
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| 00:40.43 | squibby | dpkg, rhel |
| 00:40.43 | dpkg | [rhel] Red Hat Enterprise Linux is a Linux distribution targeted toward the commercial market. Red Hat undertakes to support each release of RHEL for 7 years after it first appears. New releases of RHEL come out every 18 months. As customers only pay for support, when Red Hat releases a new version of RHEL during the support period, customers may upgrade to it for no additional charge. |
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| 00:53.08 | foxtrot9 | hmm i registered to get put on the mailing list for a couple groups in debian mailing list, i don't seem to be getting anything |
| 00:53.35 | foxtrot9 | maybe there is no news, i'll just go browse the mailing list |
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| 00:56.44 | nsadmin | foxtrot9, good idea, see f there's stuff goin on |
| 00:57.12 | foxtrot9 | nsadmin, oh there is new news, i just didn't get any in my mailbox |
| 00:58.25 | nsadmin | hmm. your prefs on lists.debian.org? spam filter? |
| 00:58.44 | foxtrot9 | i don't see any in there |
| 00:59.19 | foxtrot9 | maybe i should subscribe again |
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| 00:59.48 | nsadmin | did you make an acct on lists? |
| 01:00.02 | nsadmin | as part of subscribing? |
| 01:00.20 | foxtrot9 | i'm just using this form |
| 01:00.22 | foxtrot9 | http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe |
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| 01:04.15 | saienia | :q |
| 01:04.20 | saienia | oops |
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| 01:12.06 | nsadmin | saienia, unless the file is unchanged, you will need to bang! |
| 01:12.19 | saienia | :P |
| 01:12.36 | nsadmin | that's not a vi command... |
| 01:12.44 | saienia | ;) |
| 01:13.14 | nsadmin | the only not 2 letter thing I heard so far is... |
| 01:13.15 | nsadmin | oops |
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| 01:13.33 | saienia | I was changing panes in tmux....apparently I got the wrong one.. |
| 01:14.07 | nsadmin | foxtrot9, did you not even get the double optin mail? |
| 01:14.23 | nsadmin | paneful |
| 01:14.32 | foxtrot9 | i did now |
| 01:14.56 | foxtrot9 | and i had to manually reply to each one with the subscribe subject to confirm |
| 01:15.20 | nsadmin | ahh, so you should be good now I guess |
| 01:15.27 | foxtrot9 | that was quite painful, should've done it on the command line with a for loop |
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| 01:17.00 | nsadmin | if you can do that, that kinda... defeats... the purpose... |
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| 01:29.46 | Amtrask | Hello all. The Debian mirror I use seems not to have updated their apt repositories. What are my options here. This is the output I get from 'apt-get update': Release file expired, ignoring http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/Release (invalid since 3d 17h 6min 38s) |
| 01:30.10 | Amtrask | This was from the list of mirrors on the installer |
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| 01:39.00 | abrotman | amtrgrrrr |
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| 01:44.21 | epicfail | guys i would like the perfect operateing system plz |
| 01:44.27 | jelly | !mirror status |
| 01:44.28 | dpkg | hmm... mirror status is http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 01:45.08 | epicfail | u know i was trolling? |
| 01:45.50 | epicfail | well i better go in the offtopic before i get a ban |
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| 02:01.28 | ^BARrE|^ | whats LVM |
| 02:01.46 | abrotman | google couldn't help ? |
| 02:01.50 | ^BARrE|^ | nope |
| 02:01.57 | ^BARrE|^ | just tried |
| 02:02.01 | ^BARrE|^ | cant find |
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| 02:02.14 | sheep | even searching for "linux lvm"? |
| 02:02.25 | abrotman | liar .. the first hit on google for 'lvm' is the wiki page |
| 02:02.29 | abrotman | he didn't try |
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| 02:14.25 | pasky | With upgrade from eagle_5.12.0-1 to eagle_5.12.0-2, the amd64 version of the package mysteriously disappeared, with no mention of any intrusive change in the package changelog |
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| 02:14.48 | pasky | Should I report that as a package bug or is it some issue with Debian's package build system? |
| 02:17.15 | abrotman | judd: versions eagle |
| 02:17.16 | judd | Package: eagle on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 4.16r2-2; squeeze/non-free: 5.10.0-2; sid/non-free: 5.12.0-2; wheezy/non-free: 5.12.0-2 |
| 02:17.27 | abrotman | from lenny to squeeze? |
| 02:17.30 | abrotman | oh .. misread |
| 02:17.38 | abrotman | pasky: did you check for a FTBFS report? |
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| 02:20.32 | pasky | abrotman: nothing relevant pops up |
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| 02:21.11 | pasky | i'll report a bug |
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| 02:21.26 | abrotman | or contact the maintainer? |
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| 02:23.59 | ^BARrE|^ | i got a xeon 2 x 2.8 server |
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| 02:24.23 | ^BARrE|^ | does both proccessors work on a program or one at a time |
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| 02:25.50 | karlpinc | Is usb3 standard stuff these days? How long has it been standard? I'm thinking about putting debian-live on a usb stick and wondering if I'll be able to use usb3. |
| 02:26.15 | karlpinc | ^BARrE|^: Depends on whether the single program is written to be threaded or not. |
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| 02:26.29 | ^BARrE|^ | k |
| 02:27.04 | karlpinc | ^BARrE|^: (Although there's stuff like apache that just runs multiple copies of itself anyway.) |
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| 02:49.24 | sharpK | can someone show me a samba conf file that would allow sharing of all directories on the samba machine (so that a windows 7 machine on the same LAN could access)...? |
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| 02:49.40 | sharpK | without the need for username and pass |
| 02:51.09 | abrotman | that seems dangerous |
| 02:52.32 | sharpK | abrotman just want to make sure that it isn't my windows machine causing the issues |
| 02:52.44 | sharpK | cause I've read like 7 samba share conf file guides and none work |
| 02:53.07 | sharpK | it always wants a username/pass, and even the ones I try (system and/or samba users/pass) don't work... |
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| 02:54.17 | abrotman | sharpK: there are a few changes you have to make .. one is in the secpol, two in the registry |
| 02:54.24 | abrotman | sharpK: and some reaqure you to reboot windows |
| 02:55.17 | sharpK | I have to make windows changes to access a computer on the network? the samba file (lost now) I had set up in ubuntu worked without restart... |
| 02:55.21 | sharpK | but what would I have to change if I did? |
| 02:55.29 | Dulak | MS loves to break stuff with every upgrade, I remember something about a registry change to windows 7 to use the old password encryption w/ samba |
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| 02:57.11 | abrotman | sharpK: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/windows/article.php/3849061/Use-Samba-With-Windows-7-Clients.htm |
| 02:57.32 | sharpK | I'll read up... thanks abrotman |
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| 02:57.54 | roasted | hello! |
| 02:58.29 | roasted | Anybody have Debian 6 w/ XFCE installed? I'm curious in the overall footprint of the OS when completed. I'm working with a 4 GB flash drive I'd like to put / on. |
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| 02:59.40 | abrotman | sharpK: i used most of that URL |
| 02:59.52 | n00b_ | ANy developer here? |
| 02:59.53 | abrotman | roasted: it depends on helper apps |
| 02:59.58 | abrotman | n00b_: you? |
| 03:00.14 | n00b_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.20 | roasted | abrotman: it's just for a file server. It'll pretty much be base install, samba, and uh.. not sure what else. |
| 03:00.35 | roasted | abrotman: I can fit Ubuntu / on it so I figure debian should be easy to do, but wanted to make sure... cause otherwise I need to order a flash drive. |
| 03:00.41 | gnarface | n00b_: which lanugage? |
| 03:00.53 | n00b_ | english |
| 03:00.54 | roasted | abrotman: granted with ubuntu / on it I have about ~300 mb free. With enough updates, it's a no go. |
| 03:01.03 | n00b_ | I am ubuntu user but I prefer debian |
| 03:01.05 | gnarface | n00b_: no which programming language |
| 03:01.10 | abrotman | n00b_: do you have a Debian question ? |
| 03:01.15 | n00b_ | yeah |
| 03:01.19 | abrotman | ... |
| 03:01.39 | n00b_ | why free software developers don't care debian and care ubuntu users? |
| 03:01.44 | n00b_ | for exemple |
| 03:01.48 | abrotman | roasted: honestly, oyu'll have to test your install to see how large it is |
| 03:01.53 | abrotman | n00b_: do you have a Debian question? |
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| 03:02.03 | n00b_ | yeah |
| 03:02.08 | abrotman | n00b_: and debian *support* question ... cause that isn't one |
| 03:02.15 | roasted | abrotman: well, yeah, okay. Not that difficult of a question to guestimate, but hey thanks :D |
| 03:02.19 | n00b_ | ok bye |
| 03:02.22 | abrotman | thanks! |
| 03:02.28 | gnarface | !next |
| 03:02.28 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 03:02.42 | Mephisto | g |
| 03:02.48 | Mephisto | so i can type now. |
| 03:02.50 | abrotman | roasted: I'd guess X plus minimal window manager would be 1.5GB, but that's a guess |
| 03:03.01 | roasted | abrotman: hey, that works. thanks! |
| 03:03.14 | abrotman | roasted: i think a base CLI only install is about 500MB |
| 03:03.23 | Mephisto | i wonder if the one who did it really thinks it's a good way of dealing with it. |
| 03:03.45 | roasted | abrotman: I considered CLI, but sometimes I let torrents run. Is it possible to run torrents via CLI? |
| 03:03.53 | abrotman | Mephisto: do you have something debian related to discuss, because if you're going to start ranting again, the ban will be reinstated |
| 03:04.06 | abrotman | roasted: rtorrent is a great torrent program |
| 03:04.10 | abrotman | IMO anyway |
| 03:04.14 | roasted | abrotman: terminal based? |
| 03:04.18 | abrotman | roasted: yep |
| 03:04.25 | roasted | abrotman: I'll look into it. thanks. |
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| 03:06.03 | Lint | is there an app in debian like cakewalk which can add text to midi files? |
| 03:06.13 | Lint | abrotman, more like 1.1GB |
| 03:06.23 | abrotman | Lint: CLI only? or with X? |
| 03:06.30 | Lint | abrotman, base-system |
| 03:06.39 | abrotman | i have CLI boxes that are under 600MB |
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| 03:06.58 | abrotman | anyway, he'll still have to try his specific setup |
| 03:07.51 | Mephisto | abrotman, hear me, you donut. Can't you simply understand that attracting aggression upon yourself is not the way of solving anything. In fact, you don't care if it helps, you just DO it because you got the stupid button. But in real life you'd not do it, cause you know one might find ya and rearrange your face a little bit. And shove those threats up your stinky ass you bozo, i've had enough of ya, and what you're reading now is YOUR fault, not mine. La |
| 03:07.52 | Mephisto | y off the fucking button. And you know something? I got the pleasure writing all this. Cause i know i'm right. My regards to The Mill too, and i hope you guys will find girlfriends at last and stop being gays. Cheers, suckers. |
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| 03:08.18 | abrotman | Mephisto: i wasn' the one that banned you the first time .. wish you the best of luck |
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| 03:08.58 | Lint | what did you to to provoke him such? |
| 03:09.16 | abrotman | he's been a constant issue since he started coming around, he thinks he is entitled to be spoonfed |
| 03:09.35 | Lint | roasted, xfce has many, many dependencies |
| 03:09.50 | Lint | roasted, but you should be under 3GB in any case |
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| 03:10.47 | roasted | Lint: good deal. Does Debian 6 have an LXDE variant? |
| 03:11.05 | Lint | of course |
| 03:11.28 | roasted | Lint: I was just going to do Ubuntu LXDE, but some users on UbuntuForums were talking about how crazy awesome Debian 6 XFCE was so I thought, hmm... |
| 03:11.29 | roasted | might be good to run on the file server |
| 03:11.34 | roasted | minimal usage but enough to be dangerous |
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| 03:21.01 | oscurochu | I'm trying to remount / to read only, and remount it to /mnt/host. it's not allowing me to do this. i need to copy my operating system to a new hard drive. i did this on another computer, it worked fine. i dont know what im doing wrong this time. |
| 03:21.56 | Dulak | oscurochu: are you in single-user mode? |
| 03:22.45 | oscurochu | i dont know, actually... lol |
| 03:23.32 | Dulak | To remount / read-only you need to be in single user mode, so reboot and add a 1 to the end of your boot line from the boot manager |
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| 03:27.49 | roasted | Does anybody know offhand what file I need to edit to change the default apache directory? I want my box to host out of /media/storage not /var/www |
| 03:28.26 | oscurochu | /etc/apache2 or /etc/httpd ? |
| 03:28.42 | oscurochu | its been a while since i've used apache, sorry if im not much help. |
| 03:28.54 | roasted | oscurochu: all good. I'm going to write those down... thanks! |
| 03:29.44 | oscurochu | is anybody able to help me? |
| 03:30.35 | oscurochu | is rebooting the computer and adding 1 to the boot options the same as booting up and typing, "init 1," because that's what I did. |
| 03:34.06 | oscurochu | When I try to remount /dev/sda2 to /mnt/target, it wont allow me to, it says its already mounted. |
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| 03:41.30 | somiaj | oscurochu: why do you want it mounted in two places, you can use mount --bind if you need that |
| 03:41.42 | somiaj | ocyou can type mount or df to see what parttions are mounted where |
| 03:42.13 | oscurochu | how do i do that? i tried it, i must be doing it wrong... |
| 03:42.33 | somiaj | mount --bind /home /mnt/target |
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| 03:42.44 | somiaj | though I'm unsure why you want to mount it in another place? What are you trying to achive? |
| 03:42.46 | cardamon | I wonder if there's way to push a shell into screen if you didn't start it in screen. |
| 03:43.08 | somiaj | oscurochu: oh i see, yea mount --bind / /mnt/target |
| 03:43.16 | oscurochu | im installation debian on a new system using the system i have installed on a flash drive. |
| 03:43.40 | somiaj | oscurochu: I just missed your original question, I understand now. (: |
| 03:43.44 | oscurochu | i tried mount -o bind / /mnt/host and it didnt work though |
| 03:44.03 | oscurochu | it worked when it was rw, but not ro. |
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| 03:44.25 | nsadmin | oscurochu, this does seem like the kind of thing you'd want to be careful with... what has you interested in doing this? |
| 03:45.34 | nsadmin | you want to mount / elsewhere?? this really sounds weird. you should be very careful with this, if you have any data at all that has any value to you |
| 03:46.08 | nsadmin | oic you want an ro "copy" of /? |
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| 03:47.20 | nsadmin | or are you trying to mount something that's mounted elsewhere on /? the problem with this is / should already be mounted |
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| 03:48.39 | nsadmin | well anyway... I put in a little effort writing this... no reply. ok, good luck with that, hope you know what you're doing and back up pretty often. |
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| 04:04.38 | ^BARrE|^ | is kde written to be threaded? |
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| 04:11.16 | nsadmin | ^BARrE|^, that question has about as much to do with debian as a guy who;s been told he's a "nice guy" has anything to do with getting laid... try #kde |
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| 04:19.29 | squibby | hi so earlier I was trying to supply an init script to /etc/init.d and was told to go over the manual entry for insserv. I've read insserv(1) and according to everything I've read, I don't see why my script would fail to start with system boot. it starts and stops fine when run directly after boot. it has all of the comment headers as far as I can tell. anywhere else I can check and see what's going on? to my knowledge it's not |
| 04:19.29 | squibby | trying to call any undefined System Facilities either |
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| 04:38.00 | somiaj | squibby: have you put the links in /etc/rc?.d -- if you have the start/stop levels correct in your LSB headders, update-rc.d script_name defaults should do the trick |
| 04:38.16 | hc_deelb | hello |
| 04:38.28 | somiaj | squibby: and I'm assuming by run you mean it accepts the 'start', 'stop', 'restart' commands. |
| 04:38.34 | hc_deelb | does anyone know how i can prevent the standardly installed ntpd to listen only on localhost? |
| 04:38.58 | hc_deelb | ehm.. not prevent. force! |
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| 04:39.43 | squibby | somiaj, yup that's definitely what I mean. I can manually run start and stop? uhm I have not checked /etc/rc?.d for the appropriate references. I did however use the default gnome tool called "Services" to set the enabled run levels to match what was defined in the comment headers of the script. |
| 04:40.03 | hc_deelb | i already configured the -I localhost parameter in /etc/default/ntp but he is still listening on "*" |
| 04:40.36 | somiaj | squibby: I think it is just you are missing your links, and you want to let them be generated so they are put in the correct order. I use update-rc.d for that |
| 04:42.01 | squibby | somiaj, that's the name of a command? |
| 04:42.19 | somiaj | squibby: update-rc.d service defaults |
| 04:42.29 | somiaj | it uses the LSB headers to make all the startup links for you |
| 04:42.36 | squibby | oh I see. |
| 04:43.20 | squibby | I got the impression from reading the insserv manual was that it would decide on its own how to reorder the runlevels if a new script was placed in /etc/init.d/ However I have no idea if the -d option is being used with insserv or not. |
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| 04:43.30 | squibby | I'm going to try that right now, thanks for your suggestion. |
| 04:46.05 | somiaj | squidly: ls /etc/rc?.d/*service* is a good way to see if the links were made |
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| 04:49.33 | squibby | somiaj, you sir are a gentleman and a scholar. much obliged. :) |
| 04:50.38 | squibby | somiaj, is there a debian linux reference manual tree that you recommend that I could read from top to bottom, to help fill in some of these gaps in my knowledge? I wouldn't have had the foggiest clue to check update-rc.d |
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| 04:52.12 | somiaj | there are various documentation on debian.org, though my experience is just running into tools. You can use other tools for the links, update-rc.d is just the one I ran into when I first delt with modifing startup scripts. |
| 04:53.20 | somiaj | using insserv directally is just fine. I just dont know the syntax. (: |
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| 04:56.08 | somethinginteres | Running Debian Testing. I am getting updates for software I don't think I even have installed as well as software I've explicitly removed. For e.g. XBMC RC2 (which -was once- installed) keeps trying to "update" when it is now not installed. XBMC from git is, compiled from source. Is this normal? |
| 04:56.14 | squibby | somiaj, hmm well the insserv manual only seemed to include the default files, paths, options and System Facilities defined. nothing about any extra update commands. and it certainly didn't reference anything similar to update-rc.d. just init(7) :/ |
| 04:57.15 | squibby | oh it modified it to run at level 18. how strange. |
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| 04:59.15 | somiaj | squibby: update-rc.d is just a script that ends up calling insserv in the long run anyways...insserv is the upstream package and is on other systems so it won't mention the debian tool update-rc.d |
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| 04:59.52 | Lint | is there a command in debian to type letters from text file by a regular expression? |
| 05:01.35 | somiaj | Lint: what do you mean by typing letters? You can use things like awk, sed to parse text files and print a modified output to stdout |
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| 05:02.29 | Lint | what is awk? |
| 05:02.33 | somiaj | man awk |
| 05:02.58 | somiaj | it actually uses its own syntax, not fully regex |
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| 05:11.17 | Mr_Queue | anyone know where I can include scripts to be run when I open the lid on the laptop? I currently have a cron controlling fan speed on reboots, but if shut/open the lid the dam fan starts again. |
| 05:12.21 | somiaj | Mr_Queue: you can look into pm-utils if that is what is suspnding/resuming the laptop when you close/open the lid |
| 05:12.22 | Lint | i cannot see how awk can do what I want |
| 05:12.29 | somiaj | Lint: what do you want to do? |
| 05:12.34 | somiaj | Lint: you didn't explain it fully |
| 05:12.46 | Lint | i need to filter a text file by a regular expression |
| 05:13.02 | somiaj | Mr_Queue: if your system isn't supsending when you close the lid but you want to run an action to run when the lid button is pressed/released, look into acpi events. |
| 05:13.22 | Mr_Queue | somiaj: alright, thanks for the ideas. |
| 05:13.29 | somiaj | Lint: what kinda of regex? grep, sed can do things too. |
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| 05:14.36 | somiaj | if you just want to match bassed on a regexp, grep has --extended-regexp, --basic-regexp and --perl-regexp options for the matching pattern |
| 05:15.16 | Lint | grep just pring entire lines |
| 05:15.30 | Lint | i need all parts matching |
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| 05:17.15 | somiaj | there are multiple tools out there, if you descibe in better detail what it is you want you'll proabaly get better help |
| 05:18.48 | Lint | in each text line there are parts which satisfy an expression. need to print them out, every of them |
| 05:19.01 | Lint | (these parts) |
| 05:19.12 | ectospasm | Lint: grep can report only the parts that match |
| 05:19.53 | ectospasm | --only-matching |
| 05:20.21 | Lint | then I need to pipe it to sed? |
| 05:20.31 | somiaj | it should print them to the screen |
| 05:20.41 | Joey64 | How to mark a USB boot installer ,my usbdisk is 4g ,when I mark it ,only 256mb can use ,so how to let the other space used |
| 05:20.59 | ectospasm | Joey64: fdisk |
| 05:21.28 | somiaj | Joey64: what do you mean mark it? Are you using cat/dd to copy the netinstaller to a usb drive? |
| 05:21.28 | FunGoat | Anybody have any luck installing on a MacBook Pro 5,1? Having some trouble with EFI… |
| 05:21.36 | Lint | it print an antire expression, and I need only \1 part of it |
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| 05:24.04 | Joey64 | First i use dd copy usbhdd.img to USB, and then copy business.iso to USB |
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| 05:25.13 | Joey64 | And that time The USB space only 256mb can be used |
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| 05:50.21 | kandinski | hi, where does sshd log its activity? |
| 05:51.03 | somiaj | kandinski: if you are looking for authentication attempts via ssh /var/log/auth.log |
| 05:52.37 | kandinski | I am looking for errors |
| 05:53.00 | nsadmin | daemon.log? |
| 05:53.06 | kandinski | I tried to open a different port, I get a connection reset by peer even from localhost |
| 05:53.10 | kandinski | nsadmin: ta |
| 05:53.53 | nsadmin | well it's a guess, cause it's a daemon and lotsa daemons log there |
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| 05:54.06 | nsadmin | there could be /var/log/ssh( |
| 05:54.09 | nsadmin | err |
| 05:54.12 | nsadmin | there could be /var/log/ssh* |
| 05:54.46 | nsadmin | or /var/log/openssh* |
| 05:56.06 | kandinski | neither exists |
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| 06:00.30 | nsadmin | it's probably logging via syslogd (yet another daemon) and check its config and see what sshd does to set up its logging |
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| 06:03.51 | Free_Bullets | I'm trying to get syslinux to boot an LVM volume. In syslinux.cfg, I set the root to /dev/mapper/vg0-root. When I try booting, it flashes then goes back to the boot menu. Am I doing something wrong? |
| 06:04.16 | Free_Bullets | says it can't find the kernel |
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| 06:05.41 | kandinski | thanks, nsadmin |
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| 06:06.38 | kandinski | nsadmin: syslogfacility AUTH, LogLevel INFO |
| 06:06.50 | kandinski | I want to raise that to something more, isn't it? |
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| 06:14.55 | Free_Bullets | As a follow-up to my problem, it turns out I was actually missing my kernel. Fail. |
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| 06:19.15 | nsadmin | musta popped... |
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| 06:20.26 | os_ | hi |
| 06:20.48 | os_ | how to change locale of gnome shell ! |
| 06:21.15 | os_ | and how to install some locales for it |
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| 06:33.38 | rwp | os_, As root run: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 06:36.24 | antiisolo | is there any known issues for debian to be killing my battery fast? even with dim monitor and nothing but a browser running |
| 06:36.49 | rozie | antiisolo: what hardware? |
| 06:37.25 | rozie | take a look at powertop - it may give you a clue what's using power, as well as some sugestions |
| 06:37.52 | NoGoodNicksLeft | How long does clementine usually take to create a library? My music library is about 6TB |
| 06:38.10 | antiisolo | aspire 4830tg-6450 4gb of ram, i5 quad core.. its suppose to have 8+ hours of life.. which i dont espect.. somehow my windows gets 4(at the most) just installed debian and i get 2hrs tops |
| 06:38.19 | NoGoodNicksLeft | it's stuck at 0% |
| 06:40.28 | NoGoodNicksLeft | I'm accessing the library over nfs, and I usually get about 1mBps connection to the server |
| 06:40.41 | rozie | antiisolo: take a look on http://fenski.pl/2012/02/asus-zenbook-ux31e-eventually-stable-under-linux/ |
| 06:41.13 | rozie | not sure if this is similar chipset, but author also had problem with battery usage |
| 06:41.24 | rozie | and this is kernel issue |
| 06:41.43 | antiisolo | ok ill give it a look, thanks rozie |
| 06:41.57 | rozie | later there was solution to improve battery life, but introduced unstability |
| 06:42.08 | rozie | and this is final(?) solution |
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| 06:46.31 | NoGoodNicksLeft | I can't get chromium to work with socks5 proxying over a ssh tunnel. The proxy works for iceweasel. I went to under the hood>proxy settings, but it just takes me to the network control panel. Does anyone know what I do from there to get it to work? |
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| 06:47.19 | NoGoodNicksLeft | I've also tried ProxySwitchy, putting 127.0.0.1 in for socks, selecting socksv5, and my port |
| 06:47.32 | NoGoodNicksLeft | chromium just ignores the proxy and goes around it |
| 06:48.00 | NoGoodNicksLeft | and I really don't want to use iceweasel |
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| 06:49.24 | NoGoodNicksLeft | does clementine work for large music libraries, or does it just crash? |
| 06:49.27 | antiisolo | rozie, sry i am completely new to this but i dont understand how to apply this http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/intel-gfx/2012-February/015004.html |
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| 06:49.43 | antiisolo | theres nothing to dl, do i jst edit a file? |
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| 07:25.02 | VanDerSpar | Greetings |
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| 07:26.40 | VanDerSpar | Is there a way to make sure that every file associated to a package is removed? |
| 07:27.15 | os_ | hmm |
| 07:27.39 | os_ | VanDerSpar: did you use purge or delete? |
| 07:27.50 | os_ | remove |
| 07:27.50 | os_ | ? |
| 07:27.51 | VanDerSpar | apt-get remove |
| 07:28.20 | os_ | use apt-get purge to remove it completly |
| 07:28.36 | VanDerSpar | Thanks |
| 07:28.45 | os_ | NP |
| 07:28.49 | os_ | ! |
| 07:28.49 | aBound | There's also: sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get autoclean. |
| 07:28.51 | aBound | Blah! |
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| 07:29.51 | os_ | aBound: i was planning to make him excute : dpkg -L pakage | ls |
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| 07:30.11 | VanDerSpar | Might be that I need to use some of those. Still having problems with that mysql |
| 07:30.37 | os_ | hmm |
| 07:30.49 | aBound | os_, Whatever works heh. |
| 07:30.55 | os_ | did you excute autoclean and purge |
| 07:31.00 | os_ | ? |
| 07:31.05 | os_ | aBound: hhhhe |
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| 07:32.26 | VanDerSpar | I did |
| 07:32.47 | os_ | then? |
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| 07:33.09 | vitorlobo | hi, how to disable keyboard alt + lmb on lxde with debian? |
| 07:33.10 | VanDerSpar | Same error message. Give me a minute and I'll pastebin it |
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| 07:33.39 | VanDerSpar | http://pastebin.com/1UCKzNbJ |
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| 07:33.43 | os_ | vitorlobo: lmb? |
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| 07:33.55 | vitorlobo | os_, mouse button lmb |
| 07:34.11 | vitorlobo | os_, ops, rmb |
| 07:34.34 | vitorlobo | os_, no...this's lmb same |
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| 07:34.40 | vitorlobo | alt + lmb button |
| 07:34.47 | VanDerSpar | Might need to revert it to the latest backup :/ |
| 07:35.00 | os_ | VanDerSpar: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mysql-server! |
| 07:35.02 | vitorlobo | hi, how to disable keyboard (alt + mouse right button "lmb") on lxde with debian? |
| 07:35.09 | os_ | run apt-get update |
| 07:35.16 | vitorlobo | *left |
| 07:35.17 | vitorlobo | arg |
| 07:35.24 | vitorlobo | hi, how to disable keyboard (alt + mouse left button "lmb") on lxde with debian? |
| 07:35.38 | os_ | vitorlobo: moment i have debian lxde on virtual box |
| 07:35.55 | os_ | cause i don't have lXDE installes |
| 07:35.58 | os_ | cause i don't have lXDE installed |
| 07:36.03 | vitorlobo | os_, alt + lmb = drag move window's |
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| 07:36.10 | vitorlobo | but, i have disabled this |
| 07:36.18 | os_ | vitorlobo: AH! |
| 07:36.22 | os_ | hmm |
| 07:36.34 | os_ | vitorlobo: just a while |
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| 07:40.03 | os_ | vitorlobo: moment |
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| 07:40.07 | vitorlobo | ok :) |
| 07:41.47 | os_ | i think that is from openbox |
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| 07:42.10 | VanDerSpar | os_: mysql-server is dependent on the config of mysql-server-5.1, so that makes sense. But I don't get why it won't start after the configuration of mysql-server-5.1 |
| 07:42.41 | os_ | hmm |
| 07:42.44 | vitorlobo | I looked in lxde-rc.xml but could not find the disable option. |
| 07:42.56 | vitorlobo | :S |
| 07:43.13 | os_ | vitorlobo: it is not from LXDE |
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| 07:43.34 | os_ | but it is from Windowmanager (openbox) |
| 07:43.55 | os_ | VanDerSpar: can you pastebin again |
| 07:43.57 | os_ | ? |
| 07:44.17 | VanDerSpar | I'll pastebin the error I get when trying to configure mysql-server-5.1 |
| 07:44.32 | os_ | ok |
| 07:45.08 | VanDerSpar | Nah. You'll get it all, sorry. |
| 07:45.10 | VanDerSpar | http://pastebin.com/1UCKzNbJ |
| 07:45.49 | VanDerSpar | Also, I should register at nickserv so that I could ask in the sql or mysql channel, instead of bothering you. |
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| 07:46.59 | os_ | VanDerSpar: try |
| 07:47.06 | os_ | # fuser -k /tmp/ibzF9159 |
| 07:47.14 | os_ | and try angain |
| 07:47.18 | vitorlobo | os_, then openbox rc.xml i'm not find this option |
| 07:47.18 | os_ | and try again |
| 07:47.39 | VanDerSpar | tells it doesn't exist |
| 07:47.44 | os_ | vitorlobo: search in openbox configure file |
| 07:47.52 | os_ | not in lxde |
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| 07:48.10 | os_ | vitorlobo: ask in #lxde |
| 07:48.19 | os_ | VanDerSpar: HMM |
| 07:48.24 | vitorlobo | ok i go search this |
| 07:48.25 | VanDerSpar | So it can't create it, sure |
| 07:49.23 | os_ | hmm i think that it can't stop sql demaond |
| 07:49.52 | os_ | Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld. |
| 07:49.53 | os_ | 120323 8:32:10 [Note] Plugin 'FEDERATED' is disabled. |
| 07:50.09 | os_ | from here there is failed! |
| 07:50.14 | os_ | from here there is fail! |
| 07:50.51 | VanDerSpar | Seems like it, os_ |
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| 07:51.19 | os_ | VanDerSpar: i have no idea |
| 07:51.21 | os_ | ! |
| 07:51.33 | VanDerSpar | I'm sorry to ask these ignorant questions, but how do I kill it then? |
| 07:51.34 | os_ | try reboot then purge |
| 07:51.53 | os_ | it ? = ? |
| 07:52.00 | os_ | mysql? |
| 07:52.03 | VanDerSpar | Yes |
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| 07:52.08 | os_ | hmm |
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| 07:52.32 | os_ | by kill (pid of process) |
| 07:52.34 | os_ | or |
| 07:52.43 | os_ | pkill (process name) |
| 07:53.02 | os_ | you can use gnome-system-monitor |
| 07:53.06 | os_ | but as root |
| 07:53.29 | os_ | you have htop as process monitor from terminal |
| 07:54.09 | VanDerSpar | Yeah. Thanks |
| 07:54.32 | os_ | VanDerSpar: maybe anthor user can help you in sql because i am not expert in debian |
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| 07:54.37 | os_ | VanDerSpar: NP |
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| 07:55.20 | VanDerSpar | Hmm. I don't see any process called sql or mysql |
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| 07:56.25 | os_ | it is my-sqld |
| 07:56.29 | os_ | it is mysqld |
| 07:56.39 | VanDerSpar | Yeah, it's not on the lsit |
| 07:56.51 | os_ | NO idea |
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| 07:58.11 | VanDerSpar | Anyways. I will go to get some breakfast. |
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| 08:08.38 | CookieJar | I just had a weird thought |
| 08:08.58 | CookieJar | if it was possible, how long would it take to install Debian from vinyl records? |
| 08:09.46 | VanDerSpar|Away | That was a nice thought |
| 08:10.12 | vlt | wonders what CookieJar is preparing for. |
| 08:10.33 | bananasdoom | how do you shutdown your pc to s5, I had someone inthe ubuntu irc tell me to use sudo init5 but it returened sudo: init5: command not found |
| 08:10.46 | CookieJar | idk, I was just looking at my messy work table that currently has my record player on it |
| 08:11.02 | CookieJar | and thinking of my plan to try debian on a pentium 1 |
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| 08:20.48 | bananasdoom | how do you shutdown your pc to s5, I had someone inthe ubuntu irc tell me to use sudo init5 but it returened sudo: init5: command not found |
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| 08:23.35 | VanDerSpar | Linux is a little too confusing for me. All of a sudden, my database could be started. Anyways. Much rejoice |
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| 08:24.58 | SlayerXP | good morning. i have a machine which has mixed architecture packages installed, i386 and amd64. how can I determined which i386 packages there are? (bearing in mind I have b oth the 32 bit and 64 bit versions of some packages). |
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| 08:26.31 | homes | SlayerXP: scary :\ |
| 08:26.38 | homes | SlayerXP: didn't know you could mix ports |
| 08:27.05 | SlayerXP | homes: sure, you can run 32 stuff on a 64 bit platform |
| 08:27.27 | SlayerXP | homes: google something like "debian multiarch" |
| 08:28.28 | CookieJar | I wonder if Debian could run on a commodore 64 |
| 08:28.31 | CookieJar | ( ¬‿¬) |
| 08:30.02 | bananasdoom | anyone know how to shutdown to s5, need to for wake on lan |
| 08:30.40 | CookieJar | wouldn't a simple pkill command work? never done it often so not sure how it would go |
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| 08:33.06 | cardiel | i have asked my vsp provider to setup reverse dns to a specific host and i have added the fqdn4 line into maradns db. but i wont get the host when connecting to irc anyway. i use irssi -h host.com , what can be wrong? |
| 08:33.51 | SlayerXP | boringly, my answer is "dpkg -l | grep ii | grep :386" |
| 08:34.01 | CookieJar | the planets aren't aligned cardiel |
| 08:34.22 | cardiel | CookieJar: what do you mean? |
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| 08:34.30 | CookieJar | its a joke |
| 08:34.34 | cardiel | k |
| 08:34.51 | CookieJar | and a fancy way of saying I don't know |
| 08:35.17 | CookieJar | my best advice is, does it work with other irc clients? |
| 08:35.20 | CookieJar | such as weechat |
| 08:35.35 | cardiel | is it anyway to check if the domain is registred in reverse? |
| 08:35.40 | cardiel | havent tried weechat |
| 08:36.31 | cardiel | howto set a host in weechat? ive never used weechat before, just irssi |
| 08:36.46 | CookieJar | I haven't used weechat or irssi much |
| 08:36.51 | CookieJar | been an xchat guy |
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| 08:37.59 | CookieJar | hold on a tic |
| 08:38.33 | CookieJar | by host you mean like how I am CookieJar@blablabla.dynamic.mtsallstream.net |
| 08:38.34 | CookieJar | ? |
| 08:38.47 | cardiel | yes |
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| 08:39.11 | CookieJar | whelp, the most I do know of that is how to set a vhost in Rizon |
| 08:39.12 | CookieJar | :S |
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| 08:40.18 | cardiel | ok. i have too gooogle then ;p |
| 08:40.45 | CookieJar | in my opinion this channel has too many idlers |
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| 08:56.31 | linux | give me help |
| 08:57.07 | linux | http://bit.lannur.ru/video-online-is-7066.html |
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| 09:02.00 | CVirus_ | After an aptitude full-upgrade .. X won't start .. help ? |
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| 09:15.40 | CVirus_ | After an aptitude full-upgrade .. X won't start http://paste.pocoo.org/show/569899/ .. help ? |
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| 09:35.16 | mallxs | hi; is there somewhere a log of the updates done on a system ? |
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| 09:35.55 | mallxs | after a update of chrome and sna?? my flash doesnt work anymore |
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| 09:41.28 | mallxs | first it only didnt work only in chrome, after a reboot it also stopped in iceweasel |
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| 09:42.14 | mallxs | after a apt-get remove gnash it worked again in chome |
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| 09:54.49 | mallxs | and also in icewasel |
| 09:55.57 | bunny69 | can someone please tell me what on earth is: "GET /w00tw00t.at.ISC.SANS.test0:)" in http logs? |
| 09:56.34 | bunny69 | it's quite popular, is that a security scanner? |
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| 09:57.02 | colo-work | bunny69, it's a vulnerability scanner |
| 09:57.27 | themill | you can train fail2ban to drop packets from people who send such requests |
| 09:57.32 | colo-work | you'll inevitably have it showing up in your access logs if you operate an HTTP server anywhere in the internet, sooner or later. |
| 09:57.58 | colo-work | I'd just ignore it if it doesn't amount to at least 1% of your total incoming traffic. |
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| 10:02.05 | judgen | squeeze=testing ? |
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| 10:03.57 | sephii | judgen: squeeze = stable |
| 10:04.04 | judgen | oh ok |
| 10:04.24 | Woet | wheezy = testing, sid = unstable |
| 10:04.30 | judgen | thankyou |
| 10:04.35 | Woet | hamm = awesome |
| 10:05.10 | judgen | can i add sid repos to wheezy to get the newest kernel that has better power management for adm apu's |
| 10:05.15 | judgen | or will that break the system |
| 10:05.53 | colo-work | I'd probably rather compile and install my own kernel image |
| 10:06.05 | colo-work | that's not hard to do (even properly :)) in Debian |
| 10:06.16 | judgen | hmmm i do prefer to not do that |
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| 10:06.31 | judgen | i did before when i was not a lazy slob |
| 10:06.53 | judgen | but when using vmware it was a pain since i did not know the requirements |
| 10:07.00 | colo-work | you can always try to fetch the .deb containing the kernel image from the sid repo without enabling it as a whole, and try to install it using `dpkg -i`, too. |
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| 10:07.10 | colo-work | using VMware is always a pain. |
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| 10:07.24 | judgen | i know, but virtualbox is hardly an alternative |
| 10:08.09 | engla | judgen: backports kernel? |
| 10:08.14 | judgen | so if i add sid a a whole, will it break my system? |
| 10:08.29 | judgen | engla: how do i add that? |
| 10:08.31 | engla | judgen: backports has linux 3.2 |
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| 10:08.45 | judgen | main contrib non-free backports ? |
| 10:09.10 | engla | dpkg: squeeze-backports |
| 10:09.11 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>. |
| 10:09.38 | babilen | judgen: Which Debian release are you tracking right now? |
| 10:10.03 | engla | judgen: wait, are you on wheezy? |
| 10:10.31 | engla | then why do you need to get the sid kernel at all, they have the same version at the moment |
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| 10:12.41 | judgen | engla: 2.* is installed at the moment with wheezy |
| 10:13.02 | judgen | 2.6.32 |
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| 10:13.11 | judgen | i want atleast 3.1 |
| 10:13.22 | engla | then dist-upgrade |
| 10:13.33 | judgen | to get the power management of amd apu's proper |
| 10:13.38 | woshty | is there documentation on bluetooth in debian somewhere? where to save the pairing information etc. |
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| 10:15.27 | babilen | judgen: Which Debian release are you tracking right now? Can you paste your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy ; aptitude search '~i~n^linux-image'" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
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| 10:16.02 | xwalk | Has anyone had problems with xfce4 running two sessions at the same time? |
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| 10:17.31 | dhbiker | preload is working in debian ? |
| 10:18.30 | babilen | dhbiker: What exactly do you mean by "preload" ? You can certainly preload libraries by setting LD_PRELOAD accordingly, but I am not sure if you are talking about that. |
| 10:18.47 | dhbiker | preload daemon |
| 10:19.03 | dhbiker | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/preload |
| 10:19.38 | judgen | hehe i see that gnome is still god awful |
| 10:19.42 | judgen | =D |
| 10:19.56 | judgen | gtk is still nice though |
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| 10:20.10 | dhbiker | mate here... instead of gnome 3 -.- |
| 10:20.12 | babilen | dhbiker: Check http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=preload for applicable bugs -- Did you try it? Have you read applicable documentation in /usr/share/doc/preload? |
| 10:20.24 | babilen | judgen: Which Debian release are you tracking right now? Can you paste your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy ; aptitude search '~i~n^linux-image'" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 10:20.44 | dhbiker | babilen: i have it installed... but it seems that its not working |
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| 10:21.26 | judgen | seems i am wrong, i used netbootin to get the system up, and i picked testing... the sources.list says squeeze |
| 10:21.32 | babilen | dhbiker: What did you do? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
| 10:21.50 | babilen | judgen: netbootin? |
| 10:21.53 | dhbiker | sudo tail -f /var/log/preload.log |
| 10:21.53 | dhbiker | [Fri Mar 23 11:06:03 2012] loading conf from /etc/preload.conf |
| 10:21.53 | dhbiker | [Fri Mar 23 11:06:03 2012] loading state from /var/lib/preload/preload.state |
| 10:21.53 | dhbiker | [Fri Mar 23 11:06:03 2012] cannot open /var/lib/preload/preload.state for reading, ignoring: No such file or directory |
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| 10:21.59 | dhbiker | oops |
| 10:22.04 | dhbiker | well this happened |
| 10:22.15 | dhbiker | and this state file is not showing |
| 10:22.35 | judgen | babilen: unetbootin |
| 10:22.47 | judgen | babilen: it is for booting off usb |
| 10:23.03 | judgen | for us that has quit optical media |
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| 10:24.54 | dhbiker | babilen: guess i'll have to do a research then |
| 10:24.57 | babilen | judgen: unetbootin is known to produce faulty installers -- We ship <hybrid images> for amd64 and i386, which means that you can just cat(1) it to the USB block device (e.g.: cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb) |
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| 10:25.13 | babilen | !tell judgen -about usb install |
| 10:25.15 | dhbiker | all of that bugs are fixed more or less... or at least it seems so |
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| 10:25.57 | babilen | judgen: But given that you have squeeze installed already, you do not have to reinstall at all. Quite to the contrary actually, as the recommended way (if at all!!) to install wheezy is to install squeeze first. |
| 10:26.07 | judgen | babilen: can i make a wheezy or sid image from windows in another manner easily? |
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| 10:27.48 | babilen | judgen: There is no wheezy or sid image -- There are daily builds which will install a wheezy system, but those images contain development versions of the installer and are only meant for testing the installer. You can, however, use the stable installer to install testing (selection somewhere in the boot menu or during expert), but that is also not recommended. |
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| 10:29.57 | bunny69 | what is the default kernel on sq? |
| 10:29.57 | kladze | Hello, im having a issue with crontab... Currently if i have a script on the last line of /etc/crontab - it wont be executed, while if i put it a few lines up higher.. it gets executed... and can't seem to find the problem with my cron... Im running 64bit, lenny... - crontab line: */15 * * * * root /home/scripts/kunde_shaping/shapecust.sh |
| 10:30.23 | bunny69 | shaping customers is evil ;) |
| 10:30.27 | kladze | :D |
| 10:30.57 | bunny69 | so... i smell some whitechars in there |
| 10:31.31 | bunny69 | did you actually paste that line or typed it in? |
| 10:31.41 | kladze | paste |
| 10:31.47 | bunny69 | that's what i thought |
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| 10:32.04 | kladze | i C/P from crontab to irc |
| 10:32.23 | bunny69 | no, i mean did you paste into crontab -e or typed it in? |
| 10:32.31 | bunny69 | when editing |
| 10:32.34 | kladze | oh |
| 10:32.55 | bunny69 | anyway i would just ctrl+k that line in pico and re-type it manually |
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| 10:33.32 | Gediminas | kladze: set * * * * * .., then look syslog or crontab'e log |
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| 10:33.34 | babilen | bunny69: 2.6.32 |
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| 10:36.07 | jelly | kladze: which editor are you using? Make sure that last line is properly terminated (cron _requires_ a newline character there) |
| 10:36.37 | jelly | kladze: if you don't understand the above, just add an empty line at the end of the file |
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| 10:37.00 | kladze | jelly atm im editing with mc |
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| 10:37.58 | kladze | but its orginally insterted from a script.. so that in fact might be the problem.. but atm i dont have access to that script.. so can't tell if thats the problem |
| 10:39.06 | jelly | vim takes care of proper line termination automatically |
| 10:39.20 | jelly | (in fact I think any vi does) |
| 10:40.24 | kladze | just did with pico like bunny69 said.. and it worked :) |
| 10:40.41 | kladze | gotta find that install script that put the line into cron and fix that problem! |
| 10:40.49 | kladze | thanks for the help! |
| 10:41.19 | jelly | after 25 years, one would think cron would be fixed to warn the user about that rather typical error |
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| 10:43.50 | bunny69 | kladze white chars are even more evil than shaping customers ;) |
| 10:44.46 | bunny69 | yes jelly |
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| 10:44.57 | bunny69 | that's kind of ridiculous, isn't it :) |
| 10:45.28 | Gediminas | gre tunnel and ipsec tunnel are both L2? |
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| 10:47.21 | Biganon | hi, Looking for that sim city-like simulator |
| 10:47.25 | Biganon | opensource thing, any idea ? |
| 10:47.37 | Coornail | well there is openttd |
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| 10:48.42 | Biganon | I think you found it |
| 10:49.10 | Biganon | thanks |
| 10:49.25 | Coornail | awesome game |
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| 10:56.43 | Turux | hi, does any of you guys know how to runs a UPnP server that works with my XBox360 on debian server (no X)? |
| 10:57.39 | judgen | wow! i love that in wheezy the win key is not dead, but acts as an alt key |
| 10:57.47 | judgen | effing awesome |
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| 11:04.27 | judgen | how do i alter the colours in ncurses programs? |
| 11:04.28 | engla | you can map the keys like you want |
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| 11:05.48 | judgen | i am colour blind, and i prefer yellow and blue as colours |
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| 11:08.23 | judgen | can i replace the red in ncurses programs to yellow somehow¨ |
| 11:08.23 | judgen | ? |
| 11:08.39 | Turux | hi, does any of you guys know how to runs a UPnP server that works with my XBox360 on debian server (no X)? |
| 11:08.42 | p0g0 | judgen: you need to set the attributes of the character with an 'escape code' |
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| 11:08.55 | p0g0 | judgen: look at ncurses.h |
| 11:09.13 | judgen | p0g0: thankyou |
| 11:09.17 | frostschutz | judgen: in xterm / rxvt etc., you can set custom color schemes |
| 11:09.30 | p0g0 | judgen: or search the web, there are tables of the colors vs codes. |
| 11:09.37 | judgen | ubuntu did purple and slightly less purple it seems, and i can not use that at all |
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| 11:10.11 | Funkadelic | Anyone know of a way to make all new files in a folder be marked executable? I'm making a bunch of test scripts and I'm tired of chmod +x * over and over |
| 11:10.17 | frostschutz | judgen: color0 - color15 property as Xresource (see manpage of your terminal emulator) |
| 11:10.18 | p0g0 | judgen: frostschutz is also right, you may be able to simply click a menu in the konsole profile (etc) |
| 11:10.20 | judgen | monochrome would also be fine for me |
| 11:10.35 | judgen | frostschutz: i do not use X |
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| 11:11.27 | p0g0 | judgen: if you are in a true cli console, then you'll want to look at ncurses, you may find the CDK also of interest. |
| 11:11.48 | frostschutz | judgen: dunno if one can set a color scheme in regular console... screen has something, attrcolor, but not sure if it will do what you want |
| 11:11.49 | p0g0 | judgen: it's a ucrses development and widget kit. |
| 11:11.58 | p0g0 | it will |
| 11:12.04 | p0g0 | *curses |
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| 11:12.49 | p0g0 | frostschutz: one can set colors in the 'regular' console, it's pretty straightforward. |
| 11:13.31 | Funkadelic | if someone knows of a way to make new files in a folder automatically executable, i will be the happiest person ever |
| 11:13.36 | frostschutz | p0g0: I know how to make something show up in color, I don't know if there's a generic "display all green as blue instead" switch. |
| 11:13.37 | judgen | p0g0: i have to recompile ncurses to get red to black? correct? |
| 11:13.46 | judgen | or yellow |
| 11:14.17 | p0g0 | judgen: no, you may need to recompile your program to use a new color, or it may have a configuration... |
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| 11:14.43 | p0g0 | judgen: but you shouldn't need to rebuild the libcurses |
| 11:14.46 | judgen | ouch, all of them? |
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| 11:15.04 | p0g0 | judgen: it depends, but possibly yes. |
| 11:15.54 | judgen | aaargh, just reinstalled and now all i get is distortion |
| 11:16.26 | p0g0 | judgen: curses and the ascii character attributes are Old Stuff, for ancient terminals like the VT100, it's implemented in many ways. |
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| 11:16.45 | dokma | how do I return iptables to a state it's in after a boot? |
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| 11:16.53 | dokma | or how do I reset all changes done after reboot? |
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| 11:21.02 | jubo2 | I installed synaptiks ( touchpad driver ) on my Debian GNU/Linux with KDE and on startup the system says "Synaptiks driver not loaded or too old." the synaptiks process is running. I think I need to add a source for installing newer ( working ) synaptiks. How? Where? What? |
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| 11:22.30 | Funkadelic | How can I find out what arguments are possible when building a program from source? Where is this information usually? |
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| 11:25.52 | somiaj | Funkadelic: ./configure --help is a standard way |
| 11:26.05 | somiaj | if it uses a configure script |
| 11:26.32 | Funkadelic | Ooh, thanks! |
| 11:27.56 | somiaj | jubo2: do you have the package xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed? |
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| 11:29.14 | somiaj | jubo2: squeeze-backports has a newer xorg version if the version in squeeze isn't new enough for your hardware |
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| 11:32.27 | cdown | Hi, I'm trying to set up fetchmail to retrieve undownloaded mails from the server (note: "undownloaded" meaning they are not available locally, not that they are marked as "read"). Is this actually possible? I thought UIDLs would work, but apparently not. I'm using POP3 (SSL). All I have been able to do is either download everything (bad, because it creates new files in my inbox even for already existing mails) or downloading "read" files which is not feasible f |
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| 11:36.26 | mparodi | Hello |
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| 11:36.43 | mparodi | how do I force a screen to close? |
| 11:37.07 | Coornail | what screen? |
| 11:37.12 | cdown | "a screen"? |
| 11:37.23 | mparodi | I have a program running in a screen but every time I close it, it is launched again u.u |
| 11:37.26 | mparodi | $ screen |
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| 11:37.39 | cdown | that's what screen does... |
| 11:37.46 | Coornail | how do you close it? |
| 11:37.50 | Coornail | ctrl+a d ? |
| 11:38.01 | kladze | ctrl-a k |
| 11:39.03 | jubo2 | I need to find a way to install a newer version of synaptiks but I dunno where I find a repository with a new version. help would be appreciated. |
| 11:39.08 | mparodi | <Coornail> ctrl+a d ? <-- it detach the screen but it keeps running |
| 11:39.39 | mparodi | <kladze> ctrl-a k <-- great! |
| 11:39.42 | mparodi | thank you :) |
| 11:39.48 | kladze | np :)! |
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| 11:40.18 | mparodi | by the way, where is it documented? |
| 11:40.27 | kladze | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/34 |
| 11:41.07 | Coornail | mparodi: yes it does, because I suspected that's how you close it |
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| 11:41.14 | kladze | or |
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| 11:41.22 | kladze | if you do a man screen |
| 11:41.33 | mparodi | C-a C-k (kill) Destroy current window. |
| 11:41.35 | kladze | go to the section named DEFAULT KEY BINDINGS |
| 11:41.37 | mparodi | found it in the man page |
| 11:41.48 | kladze | you see all the diffent bindings |
| 11:41.49 | mparodi | yep, I found it |
| 11:41.51 | kladze | :) |
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| 12:00.20 | judgen | kate123: anything with a ralink chipset |
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| 12:01.12 | judgen | manufacturers i prefer is EdiMAX as they have drivers for osx, linux and windows |
| 12:01.23 | judgen | some adapters even work on haiku and amiga |
| 12:01.46 | judgen | but the ralink driver in debian supports it out of the box |
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| 12:02.54 | mparodi | python nfoopy 2>&1 >> output.log |
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| 12:03.19 | mparodi | isn't it supposed to log everything (stdout and stderr) in output.log? it somehow doesn't log anything |
| 12:03.38 | mparodi | s/nfoopy/foo.py/ |
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| 12:04.55 | kate123 | judgen: thanks are you using such a stick |
| 12:05.35 | kate123 | judgen: at the moment i'm using a tp-link stick with the atheros chipset and i've got a lot trouble |
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| 12:32.08 | LordShiva | Why the #debian-next is invite only ? I run Wheezy ? |
| 12:33.25 | abrotman | LordShiva: on irc.oftc.net |
| 12:34.01 | Lint | is there an app in debian like cakewalk which can add text to midi files? |
| 12:34.30 | LordShiva | aha but when I try to join here on freenode to #debian-next I get : * Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only). |
| 12:34.46 | abrotman | Lint: you mean a text to speech app ? |
| 12:35.08 | abrotman | LordShiva: because it's not to be used here .. only on OFTC |
| 12:35.14 | Lint | no, I mean adding lyric events |
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| 12:35.51 | Lint | basically MIDI editing + sheet music |
| 12:35.55 | Argafal | i understand users can not set nice level <0. Now I want all user processes to be a certain nice level at default, but the user to be able to prioritize in addition. e.g. everything by default having 5 and the user being able to renice up to 0, root up to -19. or everything being zero by default, the user able to renice up to -5, root up to -19. how could i achieve this? |
| 12:36.38 | LordShiva | You can try with some of software like ardour or lmms ? |
| 12:36.48 | cdown | Argafal: be careful about the word "users", you're misusing it |
| 12:36.52 | cdown | you will confuse someone someday. |
| 12:36.52 | LordShiva | I dont know did they have that function Lint |
| 12:37.08 | LordShiva | That are DAW's in debian |
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| 12:37.09 | Argafal | cdown: please feel free to elaborate on that |
| 12:37.11 | abrotman | Lint: apt-cache search midi lyrics ? |
| 12:37.20 | cdown | Argafal: "users" includes root, toor, etc. |
| 12:37.33 | LordShiva | There is a nedit also but that is a music score software like a muse |
| 12:37.41 | cdown | You probably mean "unprivileged users" or "lusers" |
| 12:37.43 | abrotman | Argafal: sudo |
| 12:38.26 | Argafal | cdown: right, i see what you are saying |
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| 12:38.58 | Argafal | or asked differently can i assign a lower priority (higher nice level) to a certain program by default? |
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| 12:39.19 | Argafal | e.g. every java process that's started runs as nice 5, everything else by default (where is this default configured) as 0? |
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| 12:44.30 | brokenjames | Morning * |
| 12:45.03 | brokenjames | Can you guys check out this question for me. I won`t get real work done until the curiosity calms down. |
| 12:45.04 | brokenjames | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/34830/exploring-ram-debian |
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| 12:46.19 | abrotman | Argafal: started with an init script ? |
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| 12:47.00 | Argafal | abrotman: nope, java -xmx230g .... on the console. now I could trust the users to nice it themselves, but I don't. |
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| 12:47.37 | abrotman | then you're kind of stuck i guess? |
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| 12:47.53 | abrotman | Argafal: alternately, re nice the rest of the system ? |
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| 12:48.48 | Argafal | abrotman: mh, i guess I'm stuck. |
| 12:49.02 | Argafal | cronjob every five minutes to renice? :-D |
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| 12:49.15 | abrotman | sure .. you could |
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| 12:55.34 | chronos-dmt | hi guys |
| 12:56.03 | chronos-dmt | how can I find source code of bluetooth manager running in debian 6? |
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| 12:56.24 | chronos-dmt | because I want to see source code responsible to send files using bluetooth |
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| 12:56.47 | chronos-dmt | and I noted that debian is stable to do this task |
| 12:57.02 | chronos-dmt | so I would like to see that source code |
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| 12:59.13 | dokma | If I redirect port 80 like this: http://pastebin.com/zLbvTtej I cannot reach the the machine to which the port is redirected by loading http://192.168.0.13 |
| 12:59.18 | dokma | did I miss anything? |
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| 13:00.12 | dokma | abrotman: got any idea? ^^^^ |
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| 13:01.11 | gabedain | chronos-dmt: apt-get source <package> |
| 13:01.58 | chronos-dmt | gabedain : ok, but which is correct package? |
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| 13:03.37 | chronos-dmt | because I just press buttons of UI, but I dont know which function are being used to UI |
| 13:03.59 | gabedain | chronos-dmt: actually, this page has more information on what you want: http://wiki.debian.org/Bluetooth |
| 13:04.41 | gabedain | chronos-dmt: you can get the source with subversion (svn checkout svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-bluetooth) |
| 13:05.02 | abrotman | dokma: no, but i'd probably ask #netfilter |
| 13:05.52 | dokma | abrotman: thanks man! |
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| 13:07.34 | chronos-dmt | gadedain: ok, thank you |
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| 13:10.45 | vdonnef | hi |
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| 13:20.26 | boston8372 | what is the kosher version of php now |
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| 13:22.55 | Argafal | ok, one more wicked question. I got three non-privileged users. one of the accounts holds a svn checkout of a piece of software, has a cronjob to test and update this. say this is /home/common of the user common. then there are users a and b who will use /home/common/software. they should be able to read and write all files in there. specifically they should be able to add files and those files should be readable/writeable by the other user as well. ... |
| 13:23.01 | Argafal | ... solution: common group, setgid bit for the folder so the group is inherited and g+w for all files. how do i make sure they are all created with g+w, can I "inherit" that as well, just as the gid in that folder?\ |
| 13:23.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hi. Could anyone recommend a torrent tracker in stable repos? |
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| 13:24.19 | Eduard_Munteanu | Some of the stuff I looked at seems old. |
| 13:24.23 | kaneda^ | hey all, since debian.org is down does anyone have a legit mirrors list for a minimal net install iso of squeeze? |
| 13:24.34 | vdonnef | does anyone know a good tuto to create a pyth source package ? I tried 3 different and they all failed with my source files .... :( |
| 13:25.22 | abrotman | kaneda^: it's not down |
| 13:25.33 | kaneda^ | que? |
| 13:25.41 | abrotman | kaneda^: works fine here |
| 13:26.13 | abrotman | kaneda^: anyway .. check http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/ |
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| 13:27.14 | kaneda^ | abrotman, i don see the net inst here |
| 13:27.56 | abrotman | kaneda^: for i386? amd64? |
| 13:28.00 | boston8372 | do you have internet access ? |
| 13:28.07 | kaneda^ | i386 |
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| 13:28.20 | kaneda^ | i see the i386 installs, but all of them are huge |
| 13:28.25 | kaneda^ | the net inst for debian is like 110mb |
| 13:28.36 | boston8372 | that is huge ? |
| 13:28.42 | abrotman | kaneda^: http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.4/i386/iso-cd/ .. scroll to the bottom |
| 13:28.46 | kbar | use the tiny cd one |
| 13:28.50 | kaneda^ | ah, ty |
| 13:28.59 | abrotman | kaneda^: the netinst is 191MB |
| 13:29.05 | kaneda^ | perfect, ty |
| 13:29.08 | kaneda^ | just didnt scroll down enough |
| 13:29.32 | abrotman | they're in alphabetical order |
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| 13:52.54 | woshty | is there documentation on bluetooth in debian? like what the config files are for? |
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| 14:05.53 | Guest7164 | @woshty: no idea but the Arch documentation is very good on the whole. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Bluetooth#Manual_configuration |
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| 14:18.00 | JordiGH | Does lenny still get security updates? |
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| 14:18.44 | frostschutz | JordiGH: yes but only from warez sites |
| 14:18.54 | abrotman | JordiGH: see /topic |
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| 14:19.28 | JordiGH | abrotman: "yes" or "no" would be better than "rtfm". It's also less at least one character less. |
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| 14:20.07 | JordiGH | Ah, 2012-02-06. |
| 14:20.50 | abrotman | JordiGH: the topic is displayed to you when you join, and contains pertinent information .. don't blame me because you are too lazy to read the topic |
| 14:21.11 | JordiGH | abrotman: I'm glad you're industrious enough to type all that instead of "no", but I recommend laziness next time. |
| 14:21.12 | abrotman | And it was emailed to various lists, and discussed in multiple places |
| 14:21.28 | abrotman | JordiGH: next time i'll let the warez guy answer you .. have fun |
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| 14:21.45 | JordiGH | Hey, man, I'm just trying to make it less work for you, less work for me. |
| 14:21.50 | JordiGH | no |
| 14:21.53 | JordiGH | Three keystrokes. |
| 14:22.00 | ed8 | hi guys, I need to set up a debian server (squeese 6.0.3) |
| 14:22.07 | kaneda^ | squeeze is on 6.0.4 |
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| 14:22.26 | abrotman | forgot that JordiGH doesn't like helpful people |
| 14:22.30 | ed8 | First I would like to be sure the system is in UTF-8. |
| 14:22.39 | abrotman | ed8: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:22.40 | ed8 | locale return value such as : fr_FR |
| 14:22.45 | kaneda^ | ed8, do expert install |
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| 14:22.52 | kaneda^ | then you can choose the encodings and the defautl |
| 14:22.56 | abrotman | he doesn't have to do an expert install |
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| 14:23.03 | kaneda^ | i always do an expert install |
| 14:23.03 | sephii | ed8: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:23.07 | kaneda^ | i'm doing one right now in fact |
| 14:23.12 | ed8 | kaneda^: it's a 3rd party server, the OS is already isntalled |
| 14:23.18 | kaneda^ | yah, dpkg-reconfigure then |
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| 14:27.03 | ed8 | got plenty of fail~ |
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| 14:27.41 | abrotman | ? |
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| 14:28.10 | ed8 | http://pastebin.com/KqNh7dcK |
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| 14:29.30 | JordiGH | abrotman: Thanks for the pointer. I gotta tell Dreamhost to update their installation... |
| 14:29.44 | abrotman | JordiGH: good luck with that .. i've heard they're a bit slow |
| 14:30.01 | ed8 | can I set the locale manually ? |
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| 14:31.34 | joltcan | ed8: dpkg-reconfigure locales? or do you wanna set it to something in your bash file? |
| 14:32.11 | ed8 | joltcan: I need to set the whole systen to UTF-8 as I work with languages |
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| 14:32.17 | joltcan | ed8: like export LANG=en_US.UTF-8? |
| 14:32.46 | joltcan | ed8: I just have that in my .bash_profile which I copy to the systems I use |
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| 14:33.21 | val__ | is there samba 4 in Wheezy ? |
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| 14:33.45 | somiaj | ,versions samba |
| 14:33.46 | judd | Package: samba on i386 -- lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny15; lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny15; lenny-backports: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze5; squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze6; squeeze-backports: 2:3.6.3-1~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:3.6.3-1; sid: 2:3.6.3-2 |
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| 14:37.13 | val__ | somiaj and judd: I t am still confused by versioning - I though version 4 alpha is in Sid - and I also I see http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=samba4 |
| 14:37.36 | somiaj | ,versions samba4 |
| 14:37.37 | judd | Package: samba4 on i386 -- sid: 4.0.0~alpha18.dfsg1-3 |
| 14:38.11 | somiaj | val__: ahh, you can check the qa page to see if anything is keeping it from droping into wheezy |
| 14:38.34 | somiaj | http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/samba4.html |
| 14:38.39 | ed8 | is there a language packge to install prior to run 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' ? kaneda^ abrotman |
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| 14:39.11 | somiaj | val__: I guess there is enough change in samba4 that instead of having the package just replace the samba version, it is an additional package which I didn't realize until you pointed it out |
| 14:39.29 | kaneda^ | locales is the package ed8 |
| 14:39.34 | kaneda^ | hence dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:39.37 | abrotman | ed8: uh .. locales ? |
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| 14:39.51 | somiaj | ed8: what do you mean? You need to generate you locales for the langagues. by default none are generated so you have to choose which ones you want to generate. If you choose all it will take a bit of time to generate the locales. |
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| 14:41.40 | ed8 | abrotman: still the error :S |
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| 14:42.05 | ed8 | somiaj: I run the dpkg-reconfigure command on 'locales' package |
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| 14:42.17 | ed8 | choose fr_FR.UTF-8 as default |
| 14:42.22 | somiaj | ed8: did it give you a list of locales to choose to generate and set a default? |
| 14:42.29 | burhan | I have a situation where I need to remote-write files between various linux servers (not all are debian). I am trying to decide which method (nfs/samba, scp, ftp) would be the best - by best I mean with the least amount of lag. |
| 14:42.32 | ed8 | somiaj: yep |
| 14:42.49 | burhan | unfortunately I don't have shared storage available (like a SAN) :/ |
| 14:42.57 | somiaj | ed8: type 'locale' or export LC_ALL=fr_FR.UTF-8 -- it may not reset them until you relogin on your user. |
| 14:43.29 | val__ | somiaj and judd thanks a bunch - it seem that some crumbs from samba4 are actually in wheezy - going to try them |
| 14:43.43 | jhutchins_wk | burhan: rsync |
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| 14:44.04 | burhan | jhutchins_wk: would that allow applications to 'write' to the remote servers? |
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| 14:44.48 | burhan | for example - a web app running on serverA - a user uploads a file, the file needs to be saved on serverB |
| 14:45.23 | somiaj | val__: is there any paticular feature you need from samba4 that isn't in samba 3.6? |
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| 14:45.36 | abrotman | ed8: what's the pastebin URL ? |
| 14:46.06 | ed8 | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/KqNh7dcK |
| 14:46.34 | ed8 | somiaj: are you sure exporting LC_ALL will work after reboot ? |
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| 14:48.18 | somiaj | ed8: line 10, it is acting like you either have the name of the locale wrong or didn't generate it. |
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| 14:49.05 | somiaj | ed8: what does cat /etc/default/locale give you? |
| 14:49.40 | ed8 | LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 |
| 14:49.40 | ed8 | LANGUAGE=fr_FR:fr |
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| 14:50.17 | abrotman | ed8: logout,login |
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| 14:51.34 | jhutchins_wk | burhan: There are ways to set up sshfs, but I'm not sure they're current or work outside a GUI. |
| 14:51.36 | ed8 | abrotman: locale is correct except error on LC_TYPE and LC_ALL |
| 14:52.15 | jhutchins_wk | burhan: samba/cifs is probably the easiest to deal with. NFS still has some quirks. |
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| 15:01.02 | val__ | somiaj: I thought tha samba4 allows active directory specific features - |
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| 15:01.18 | val__ | thanks for your help - i have to go - bye |
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| 15:02.28 | NoReflex | hello! Does anyone know how I can extract the useful part from a p7s file? I received one via e-mail and I was only able to find information about extracting the certificate part of the file using openssl |
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| 15:07.37 | sweb | what is my get way ? |
| 15:07.38 | sweb | http://pastie.org/private/tgitcbhkr3bqpnvl19q |
| 15:07.43 | sweb | 178.162.154.1 |
| 15:07.45 | sweb | ? |
| 15:08.38 | drwahl | sweb: 'gateway' is just a term for the next hop in a route |
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| 15:09.17 | drwahl | it's *usually* the first IP of a subnet, so it is most likely 178.162.154.1, if your subnet mask is correct |
| 15:09.35 | NoReflex | sweb, your default gateway is probably: 178.162.154.1 |
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| 15:19.59 | JJCale | hi all |
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| 15:22.08 | ed8 | is it save to an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade on prod server when it's freshly install ? |
| 15:22.15 | ed8 | or you recommend not to ? |
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| 15:24.04 | WordpressNoob | are there any good guides for someone new to Linux on moving a site (files+mysql db) off a machine |
| 15:24.05 | gotmynick | it's safe as soon as your apt sources are configured for the version you want... also you may want to add dist-upgrade in such case |
| 15:24.12 | gotmynick | ^^ ed8 |
| 15:24.14 | adimit | close |
| 15:24.20 | adimit | sorry, wrong window |
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| 15:24.25 | gotmynick | apt-get upgrade may lack some security patches |
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| 15:24.56 | ed8 | gotmynick: I prefer not to do a dist-upgrade |
| 15:25.19 | gotmynick | why ? |
| 15:25.19 | ed8 | gotmynick: I'm running a squeeze server |
| 15:25.37 | ed8 | tried dist-upgrade on ubuntu it fail every time |
| 15:26.00 | gotmynick | if your sources.list is targetd for squeeze, you should do it |
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| 15:27.55 | ed8 | got I got : deb http://mirror.ovh.net/debian/ squeeze main |
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| 15:28.00 | ed8 | and deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
| 15:28.22 | gotmynick | then dist-upgrade does not hurt (at least in debian) |
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| 15:28.29 | ed8 | plus deb-src in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 15:29.02 | gotmynick | have you rebuild any package "from sources" ? else the deb-src lines are not important for patches |
| 15:29.17 | sweb | i have this inteface |
| 15:29.17 | sweb | http://pastie.org/private/0rorqyl5jdkfdzcvkuiha |
| 15:30.28 | ed8 | gotmynick: i'm up to date (6.0.4.) while I was in 6.0.3 and didn't run apt-get dist-upgrade o_O |
| 15:31.51 | sweb | how can i configure as manual |
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| 15:32.13 | sephii | sweb: man interfaces |
| 15:32.14 | gotmynick | ed8, upgrade and dist-upgrade only differ in dependency changes |
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| 15:32.43 | sephii | sweb: look at the eth0-home example |
| 15:32.43 | gotmynick | as manual or as static? (different think in debian interfaces) |
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| 15:33.23 | gotmynick | s/think/thing/ |
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| 15:34.36 | burhan | is there a more ... umm .. friendly version of update-rc.d that works from the console (so not bum). |
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| 15:35.03 | sweb | sephii: i must clear entire file and add this lines ? |
| 15:35.12 | gotmynick | burhan, maybe rcconf (?) |
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| 15:35.37 | gotmynick | sweb, you don't want to change your loopback interface, only the eth0 related lines |
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| 15:35.52 | burhan | gotmynick: perfect! thanks. |
| 15:36.41 | gotmynick | thinks that update-rc.d or ln -s are friendly enough :) |
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| 15:36.48 | sweb | gotmynick: how about line `allow-hotplug eth0` ? |
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| 15:37.36 | burhan | how can I configure putty so that console applications (like dpkg-reconfigure and rcconf) are drawn correctly. They work, but the border is made up of a bunch of a with a caret (^) on top. |
| 15:37.56 | petemc | burhan: what does echo $TERM say ? |
| 15:37.59 | burhan | I'm sure its some character encoding / terminal emulation thing. |
| 15:38.11 | gotmynick | sweb, that does not affect to the address method of the interface (static or dhcp) |
| 15:38.13 | burhan | petemc: screen |
| 15:38.26 | petemc | that works fine for me |
| 15:38.30 | JJCale | I have apt.conf configured in a way that recommended packages are automatically installed. And I want to keep this general configuration. But there is a particular package that I want installed without its "recommends". I know I could do this simply entering "aptitude install --without-recommends <foo>". But then when "foo" will be upgraded (for instance on a "aptitude full-upgrade) its recommended packages will be there to be installed, and I do |
| 15:38.30 | JJCale | n't want that. So how can I prevent for all cases the automatically instalattion of the dependencies of that particulary package (package foo) ? |
| 15:39.39 | sweb | gotmynick: is it required getway ? |
| 15:40.00 | gotmynick | sweb, yes, or "auto eth0", one of both |
| 15:40.34 | gotmynick | auto eth0 will fire it up at boot time, allow-hotplug may handle a cord removal/replug |
| 15:40.45 | burhan | petemc: it was a character set issue. Change it to UTF8 on putty, now works great. |
| 15:41.04 | petemc | good shit |
| 15:41.22 | ed8 | gotmynick: what do you mean 'dependency changes' ? |
| 15:42.16 | gotmynick | ed8, upgrade never changes your packages. If say debian 6.0.5 changes "depends" in any package, dist-upgrade will make changes, "upgrade" doesn't |
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| 15:42.28 | nezzario | so I managed to break apt somehow on wheezy |
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| 15:43.46 | guest100000 | JJCale: i have rebuilded nvclock package.... echo nvclock hold | dpkg --set-selections |
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| 15:43.53 | ed8 | gotmynick: ok |
| 15:44.12 | guest100000 | this preventing from upgrade nvclock |
| 15:45.25 | gotmynick | ed8, in resume: a dist-upgrade in "squeeze" is mostly not to break nothing, but in any case fix/upgrade it. I can't say the same will happen in "testing" or "sid" |
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| 15:47.34 | nezzario | http://pastebin.com/j1pb05rD |
| 15:47.38 | nezzario | anyone have any idea on that? |
| 15:47.41 | JJCale | guest100000: I don't want to prevent foo to be upgraded... I just want to prevent foo recommends to be installed on a future aptitude safe-upgrade or aptitude full-upgrade... |
| 15:47.42 | nezzario | i've tried 101 things from google |
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| 15:49.41 | ed8 | is there an official repo to download Java VM ? |
| 15:51.54 | syslq | ed8: openJDK there is |
| 15:52.03 | syslq | ed8: it works fine more or less |
| 15:52.37 | guest100000 | JJCale: pin them(the recommends) with negative priority ?? |
| 15:53.13 | nezzario | yeesh |
| 15:53.15 | nezzario | got it wortked through |
| 15:53.24 | nezzario | had to manually edit the .postrm file |
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| 15:57.00 | WormDrink | hi |
| 15:57.22 | WormDrink | When building a package how do I control permissions etc of installed files ? |
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| 16:00.07 | sweb | how can i completely remove package and all decencies during installation |
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| 16:01.35 | boudiccas | sweb; decencies? do you mean 'dependencies'? |
| 16:02.01 | sweb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:03.29 | boudiccas | sweb; sudo apt-get remove foo .............. sudo apt-get autoremove |
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| 16:05.36 | ed8 | syslq: some feature of our apps aren't compatible (understand doesn't work) with OpenJDK |
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| 16:06.58 | TheWarden | is there a way to init without rebooting or is there a log some place I can read to figure out why one of my init.d scripts is not working at boot time only? |
| 16:07.44 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: if you have a serial terminal, look at its output. |
| 16:07.51 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: otherwise, not really. |
| 16:07.58 | syslq | ed8: heh :), there is a way you can install oracle java on linux, they offer deb |
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| 16:10.08 | JJCale | guest100000: Thank you! I feel you are pointing me in the right direction. It seems the solution is pin the recommends with priority -1, in /etc/apt/preferences ! |
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| 16:10.33 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: oh well that makes it hard to figure out the issue. the script works fine when ran manually but not at boot time. I did do update-rc.d minecraft defaults to register it. |
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| 16:15.04 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: well, without seeing your init script, it's hard to say. you should see the output as you boot though, and assuming you have the level it's being started at right, it should just work |
| 16:15.30 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: what does ls -l /etc/rc*.d/*minecraft; say? |
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| 16:19.08 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: yes I all I see is the scripting stating it is start and then it is stopping. nothing more unless its going by to fast for me to see. |
| 16:19.17 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: here is the results of the command http://pastebin.com/BDPMAyKz |
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| 16:20.06 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: ok, first off, you're starting it way early |
| 16:20.16 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: I'm actually running this script if that helps any, http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/M3tal_Warrior_Server_Startup_Script. It doesn't start at init and doesn't stop running when ran manually via script to stop. |
| 16:21.13 | dondelelcaro | dear lord |
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| 16:21.37 | dondelelcaro | init scripts are meant to start things and stop them, not execute arbitrary commands for daemons |
| 16:21.38 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: oh crap, I am? I'll be honest this is my first init.d script so I may have done it wrong. all I did was place it in /etc/init.d/ and then did update-rc.d minecraft defaults |
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| 16:22.18 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: oh crap really? I was instructed to use this as a init script. What do you suggest? |
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| 16:22.38 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: well, it might be the best thing out there, but it's kind of horribly over engineered |
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| 16:23.01 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: oh really? well I'm all for doing things right and keeping things simple. |
| 16:23.54 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: anyway, first; are you using dependency based booting? |
| 16:24.01 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: well being this is my first time doing a init script I'm not sure where to begin to be honest. I know the commands the current script issues work manually with the exception of stopping the process. |
| 16:24.19 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: oh boy lol I don't know what that is. that can't be good. |
| 16:25.07 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: nah, that's ok; it's kind of new. Do you have insserv installed? |
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| 16:25.28 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: unless it comes with by default then no. |
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| 16:25.44 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: I can't remember; dpkg -l insserv; |
| 16:25.46 | ed8 | how can I add JAVA_HOME to the PATH variable ? I add: PATH=$PATH:/opt/java/jdk1.6.0_31/bin but still out of luck |
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| 16:27.27 | dondelelcaro | ed8: that's how you add it; then export PATH. |
| 16:27.39 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: I get back insserv 1.14.0-2 Tool to organize boot sequence using LSB init.d script dependencie |
| 16:28.03 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: yeah, ok; so run insserv minecraft; |
| 16:28.15 | TheWarden | I thought there is no need for JAVA_HOME if set properly with update-alternatives |
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| 16:28.32 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: yeah, if you're actually using the Debian packages of java. |
| 16:28.46 | dondelelcaro | ed8: though you really should be using Debian's java packages unless you have a specific reason not to |
| 16:29.04 | ed8 | dondelelcaro: isn't this suppose to happend when I logout and in again |
| 16:29.08 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: oh odd I'm not using debian package of JRE 1.7 and it works fine. mmm anyways |
| 16:29.13 | dondelelcaro | ed8: no |
| 16:29.28 | dondelelcaro | ed8: unless you've stuck it into your /etc/profile or .bashrc or similar |
| 16:29.40 | ed8 | dondelelcaro: export $PATH should be in /etc/environnement ? |
| 16:29.44 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: I did insserv minecraft, ahh what did that do? I didn't get a message back. |
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| 16:30.11 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: ok; then see where it decided it should be loaded at. If it still is at S01, then that's ok |
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| 16:30.58 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: oh it enables the script mmm I thought the update-rc.d minecraft defaults did that. Ahh how do I find out where it should be loaded? |
| 16:31.02 | ed8 | dondelelcaro: by Debian Java Package, you mean OpenJDK or a packaging of the oracle files ? |
| 16:31.16 | dondelelcaro | ed8: openjdk or the old sun-java... yes. |
| 16:31.50 | ed8 | I don't have package named : sun-java |
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| 16:32.42 | dondelelcaro | ed8: it's in non-free. |
| 16:32.56 | dondelelcaro | ,versions: sun-java6-jre |
| 16:33.01 | dondelelcaro | ,versions sun-java6-jre |
| 16:33.02 | judd | Package: sun-java6-jre on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 6-26-0lenny1; squeeze/non-free: 6.26-0squeeze1 |
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| 16:33.32 | dondelelcaro | we're not distributing it in newer versions than squeeze, but openjdk pretty much has replaced it anyway |
| 16:34.27 | ed8 | dondelelcaro: where can I find the correct repo ? |
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| 16:34.35 | dondelelcaro | !tell ed8 -about non-free |
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| 16:40.09 | ed8 | dondelelcaro: the bot is insulting me (asking if I'm on windows !) |
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| 16:43.05 | dondelelcaro | ed8: it'll do that if you ask it a question it can't figure out (or one that has an insulting response already) |
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| 16:44.44 | Elwon | Hi, I'm running debian squeeze an was unable to get my realtek 8101e device to connect (dhcp or static). I tried installing the r8168 driver (it was using r8169) and the eth0 has now gone completely from ifconfig -a. I've since installed realteks 8101 driver, to no avail. Any help would be appreciated. |
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| 16:46.42 | jhutchins_wk | !realtek |
| 16:46.43 | dpkg | Realtek is a developer of semiconductors. Realtek Ethernet controllers are supported by the 8139too, 8139cp and <r8169> drivers in the mainline Linux kernel. For support of Realtek-based wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl818x> (802.11b/g) or <rtl819x> (802.11n). |
| 16:47.06 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: ? |
| 16:47.26 | jhutchins_wk | Elwon: can you get the numeric pciid from lspci -nn? |
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| 16:47.53 | Elwon | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller [10ec:8136] (rev 02) |
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| 16:48.23 | jhutchins_wk | ,pciid 10ec:8136 |
| 16:48.24 | judd | [10ec:8136] is 'RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8136 |
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| 16:49.12 | jhutchins_wk | Elwon: I don't think it requires firmware, but look at dmesg and see what if it complains when loading. |
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| 16:51.24 | slikts | I like debian |
| 16:52.32 | Elwon | jhutchins, I can't see anything in dmesg with any relevance. If I could at least get the eth0 showing up in ifconfig again I could perhaps work from there, but I seem to have only made things worse so far :/ |
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| 16:55.55 | somiaj | Elwon: I belive you need non-free firmware for that card |
| 16:56.06 | somiaj | Elwon: dmesg | grep firmware |
| 16:56.37 | Elwon | [ 16.311357] rt73usb 2-2:1.0: firmware: requesting rt73.bin |
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| 16:56.52 | Elwon | Another issue clearly... lol |
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| 17:00.26 | slikts | how do I solve this kind of problem with apt-get? tmux : Depends: libevent-1.4-2 (>= 1.4.13-stable) but it is not installable |
| 17:00.45 | slikts | googling doesn't give very direct answers |
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| 17:01.17 | tremon | slikts: pastebin the output of apt-cache policy tmux libevent-1.4-2 |
| 17:01.24 | TheWarden | how do I make an init script load last? change the position of loading and how do I find out what position the script is at for loading? |
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| 17:01.55 | slikts | tremon: http://pastie.org/3655514 |
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| 17:02.30 | tremon | ,versions libevent-1.4-2 |
| 17:02.31 | judd | Package: libevent-1.4-2 on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1.4.13-stable-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.4.13-stable-1 |
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| 17:02.46 | tremon | slikts: it seems you' |
| 17:02.56 | slikts | tremon: does that mean I need to add something to sources.list? |
| 17:03.03 | jelly | yes. |
| 17:03.04 | tremon | ...re missing the squeeze main repository? |
| 17:03.13 | jelly | !squeeze sources.list |
| 17:03.13 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 17:03.14 | slikts | I'll pastebin my sources.list |
| 17:03.28 | slikts | http://pastie.org/3655520 |
| 17:03.48 | slikts | I added my local mirror manually but it seems to be correct |
| 17:03.49 | ironm | Hello. Please allow me one question. How can I find wrong dependencies? I am getting an error message on wheezy when trying to install MariaDB 5.3: |
| 17:03.52 | ironm | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 17:03.52 | ironm | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.52 | ironm | E: Broken packages |
| 17:03.59 | jelly | slikts: add the cdn line as above, redo an aptitude update again, then check what the policy says |
| 17:04.05 | ironm | thank you in advance for any hints |
| 17:04.07 | tremon | slikts: you also need squeeze, not just squeeze-updates |
| 17:04.08 | slikts | jelly: ok, thanks |
| 17:04.13 | slikts | makes sense |
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| 17:04.22 | jelly | ,versions mariadb-server |
| 17:04.23 | judd | No package named 'mariadb-server' was found in i386. |
| 17:04.41 | jelly | ironm: where are you getting the packages from? Which release of Debian are you using? |
| 17:04.45 | ironm | hi jelly .. I try to instal it on amd64 |
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| 17:05.18 | ironm | jelly, |
| 17:05.20 | ironm | deb http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/mariadb/repo/5.3/debian wheezy main |
| 17:05.21 | ironm | deb-src http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/mariadb/repo/5.3/debian wheezy main |
| 17:06.37 | slikts | jelly, tremon: I can now install tmux fine, thanks |
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| 17:06.52 | jelly | ironm: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 mariadb-server mariadb-server-5.3" |
| 17:07.14 | elwon | somiaj, any other ideas? |
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| 17:08.34 | ironm | thanks a lot jelly : root@wheezy:/home/live/tmp/mariadb-server-5.3-5.3.4/debian# apt-cache policy libc6 mariadb-server mariadb-server-5.3 | pbp.sh |
| 17:08.34 | ironm | http://paste.debian.net/160779/ |
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| 17:09.23 | elwon | I have eth0 showing up in ifconfig now, but it stil won't connect.... |
| 17:09.42 | slikts | why does visudo open nano by default >> |
| 17:10.00 | jelly | ironm: the versions of those packages suggest they're not actually built for wheezy, but for squeeze, regardless of the repository |
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| 17:10.16 | breardo | hello |
| 17:10.43 | breardo | can anyone provide me with a mirror of caesar.acc.umu.se for a copy of wheezy netinst iso? That host has constantly given me problems.. takes hours to pull down 200MB. |
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| 17:10.51 | breardo | cant seem to find any 'testing' cdimage mirrors on the list :/ |
| 17:11.04 | ironm | jelly, is it not possible to use squeeze .deb packages on wheezy? |
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| 17:11.22 | petn-randall | Hi, does anyone have an idea where I can get a debian squeeze i386 *non-free* on dvd? |
| 17:11.57 | guest100000 | slikts: change this with update-alternatives.... |
| 17:11.58 | somiaj | elwon: why won't it connenct? |
| 17:12.05 | Na_Klar | does this iptable look sane to you? http://codepad.org/0h5dyHDJ |
| 17:12.20 | slikts | guest100000: thanks |
| 17:12.27 | ironm | anway jelly .. thank you very much for your hints :) |
| 17:12.32 | slikts | guest100000: also, your name is very hard to autocomplete |
| 17:12.33 | breardo | guh.. xfers from caesar.acc.umu.se always start out at like 1MB/sec and then secodns later im at 20kb/sec -- doesnt happen with other hosts... |
| 17:12.45 | breardo | anyone have a copy of the current wheezy netinst iso that I can grab? |
| 17:13.19 | foxtrot9 | breardo, um.. its on the debian website |
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| 17:13.23 | elwon | somiaj, that's what i'd like to know! It connects fine using my other laptop so it isn't the cable or router. DHCP it sits at obtaining ip address, static ip it comes up disconnected instantly... |
| 17:13.40 | jhutchins_wk | breardo: It has to do with how the transfers are measured, they're never really that fast to begin with. |
| 17:13.42 | petn-randall | I'm installing an application on a very remote location, and it depends on a few non-free packages, so I need the non-free section offline, too. |
| 17:14.02 | breardo | it should not be taking me 2+ hours to get the wheezy iso :/ |
| 17:14.05 | jhutchins_wk | breardo: Preferred method to istall testing is to use the stable installer, then upgrade. |
| 17:14.20 | breardo | oh really? im not familar with doing that... |
| 17:14.22 | foxtrot9 | breardo, you can try the torrent |
| 17:14.29 | breardo | torrent is banned at my peering point :/ |
| 17:14.30 | elwon | somiaj, using wicd that is, ifconfig eth0 up does nothing... |
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| 17:14.53 | somiaj | breardo: you probabaly shouldn't be using the wheezy iso's in the first place, as wheezy is a moving target the isos are probabaly outdated as soon as they are made |
| 17:15.03 | jhutchins_wk | breardo: The testing installer exists so too can be tested. Results not guaranteed (not that anything's guaranteed in testing). |
| 17:15.04 | breardo | i appreciate that but I know what I want, thanks |
| 17:15.16 | breardo | so you're saying I should install squeeze and upgrade to wheezy? |
| 17:15.26 | seeker61 | i know i have asked this many times but keep running out of time before a solution occurs. at boot after waiting for /dev to fully load my monitor blanks out and then comes back on and the word done and the rest of lines to follow are in smaller font. what needs changed so this does not happen |
| 17:15.35 | jhutchins_wk | breardo: Tyat's a more reliable method, yes. |
| 17:15.42 | breardo | i want to run xen 4.2 and it doesnt work so well in squeeze but works great in wheezy.. thats all |
| 17:15.57 | somiaj | breardo: have you looked into backports? |
| 17:16.05 | elwon | somiaj, dmesg is now showing ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready |
| 17:16.08 | breardo | i go from source, no packages for xen |
| 17:16.17 | breardo | i'll look into that jhutchins_wk .. thanks :) |
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| 17:16.50 | jhutchins_wk | seeker61: What you're seeing is the framebuffer being loaded by the kernel. You can set the font size/video mode in the bootloader. (I'm not sure of the syntax.) |
| 17:17.19 | breardo | nevertheless, caesar.acc.umu.se sucks :) |
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| 17:17.28 | breardo | thanks again |
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| 17:17.51 | jhutchins_wk | breardo: So noted. I always had good luck with the swiss mirrors on other distros, even from the US. |
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| 17:18.07 | seeker61 | jhutchins_wk: thanks bootloader found in grub directory i assume and if so what directory in grub directory |
| 17:18.22 | jhutchins_wk | I don't have any complaints about the US Debian mirrors. Mandriva's US mirrors were always very slow. |
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| 17:18.54 | jhutchins_wk | seeker61: Make your changes (assuming squeeze +) in /etc/defaults/grub, then update-grub |
| 17:19.38 | seeker61 | jhutchins_wk: thanks and that is done by apt-get update grub? |
| 17:20.43 | jhutchins_wk | seeker61: No, update-grub is a script that re-generates the grub.conf file. It does things like scan for other OS installations and such. |
| 17:20.52 | Dulak | seeker61: add 'video=vga16:off' to the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT variable in /etc/default/grub, then run 'update-grub' as root to remake the grub.cfg file |
| 17:21.21 | jhutchins_wk | Dulak: Do you know how to set various video modes or fonts? |
| 17:21.44 | Dulak | jhutchins_wk: yes, I just told him how to disable the console framebuffer |
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| 17:22.27 | seeker61 | dulak: thanks very strange thing i have no defaults directory in /etc |
| 17:22.42 | Dulak | seeker61: /etc/default |
| 17:22.56 | Dulak | seeker61: /etc/default/grub is the file you want |
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| 17:23.57 | withheld | mpd is failing to start at boot, what can I do to see why? |
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| 17:24.08 | withheld | (it says failed at boot) |
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| 17:25.38 | seeker61 | dulak: thanks i found it should the video=vga16:off be in quotes or not |
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| 17:25.49 | Dulak | seeker61: everything after the equals sign should be in quotes |
| 17:25.52 | dark-sun | hi everyone |
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| 17:26.37 | dark-sun | i need a remote desktop server for my debian testing. x11vnc |
| 17:26.39 | Dulak | seeker61: example: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="video=vga16:off quiet" |
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| 17:26.50 | dark-sun | is not in repository |
| 17:27.00 | dark-sun | :-S |
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| 17:27.22 | dark-sun | oh |
| 17:27.26 | dark-sun | it's there |
| 17:27.29 | dark-sun | sorry |
| 17:27.50 | withheld | How would I see logs of something that failed to start at boot? That's all I want to know right now... |
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| 17:28.19 | dark-sun | dmesg ? |
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| 17:28.50 | withheld | I checked that, not showing up there.... |
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| 17:29.50 | Dulak | withheld: /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog or /var/log/daemon.log |
| 17:29.53 | seeker61 | dulak: thanks i am going to reboot now to see if i did it right |
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| 17:30.08 | withheld | I honestly wish Debian wouldn't do stuff like trying to set stuff to work at boot by default -.- |
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| 17:30.43 | jhutchins_wk | withheld: You can try grep <service name> /var/log/* |
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| 17:30.58 | foxtrot9 | how can i list current active services? like the chkconfig command in rhel? |
| 17:31.10 | jhutchins_wk | withheld: Unfortunately it has to get started far enough to log for it to show up. |
| 17:31.21 | jhutchins_wk | withheld: What service are you looking for? |
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| 17:31.35 | Dulak | withheld: service --status-all |
| 17:31.45 | withheld | Thank you all, one moment |
| 17:31.47 | jhutchins_wk | foxtrot9: There are several options. rcconf is good, and you can also install chkconfig |
| 17:32.06 | Dulak | withheld: that was a mistell |
| 17:32.15 | Dulak | foxtrot9: service --status-all |
| 17:32.25 | foxtrot9 | ah thanks thats what i was looking for |
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| 17:32.33 | withheld | jhutchins_wk, mpd |
| 17:32.38 | withheld | the service is called mpd |
| 17:33.02 | jhutchins_wk | withheld: Is it configured to autostart in init? Does it start if you run the init script manually? |
| 17:33.07 | withheld | Dulak, would you believe that your mistell was the command I needed? |
| 17:33.22 | jhutchins_wk | withheld: Is there a configuration file for it in /etc/defaults? |
| 17:33.28 | Dulak | Serendipity. |
| 17:33.52 | withheld | jhutchins_wk, I don't know because Debian thinks it's a good idea to try to set this stuff itself, one memnt |
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| 17:34.56 | withheld | Hm, I'll just disable it at boot for now, as there is no reason for it to be running at boot currently |
| 17:35.10 | withheld | Or on this system, ever |
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| 17:39.11 | foxtrot9 | in service --status-all, minus means its not running, plus is running, what is question mark? |
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| 17:41.23 | Dulak | Hmmm, the man page for service kinda sucks |
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| 17:41.46 | foxtrot9 | yea i looked at it first, then googled it, then i'm asking here :D |
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| 17:42.22 | Dulak | I'm guessing it means service name status returned something it didn't understand |
| 17:42.49 | Dulak | Because that's all it is, a wrapper around running 'service name status' for every service |
| 17:43.26 | foxtrot9 | hmm its not very descriptive, may just use sysv-rc.conf |
| 17:43.37 | seeker61 | it now changes font size a later. looks like it is loading noveau stuff. How can I stop the screen to be able to determine what line it is changing on? |
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| 17:44.15 | jhutchins_wk | seeker61: If the Pause key works that's you're only real hope. |
| 17:44.25 | jhutchins_wk | Amazingly it does sometimes. |
| 17:44.30 | guest100000 | interesting i'm reading this answer now http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1460127 |
| 17:44.36 | Dulak | seeker61: the Pause/Break key on the keyboard works on many bioses |
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| 17:45.16 | seeker61 | jhutchins_wk: does it have to be in combination with alt or ctrl? I tried that and it did not stop or pause screen |
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| 17:45.53 | foxtrot9 | guest100000, seems i'm not the only one that doesn't understand the output of service --status-all |
| 17:46.07 | seeker61 | Dulak: just a guess but how do I make sure it only loads vesa drivers and not the nouveau because i think that might be my problem |
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| 17:47.34 | Dulak | seeker61: That would be your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file that specifies the X drivers |
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| 17:47.59 | Dulak | seeker61: those shouldn't affect the console though, just your X |
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| 17:48.56 | seeker61 | Dulak: any specific line in xorg.conf or just comment out anything to do with nouveau. I am having problems with x loading with correct resolution also |
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| 17:49.28 | foxtrot9 | seeker61, it should be the driver line, nvidia, or nv |
| 17:50.00 | Dulak | seeker61: change the Driver "nv" line to be Driver "vesa" |
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| 17:50.07 | Dulak | seeker61: under the Device section |
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| 17:51.10 | seeker61 | Dulak: well this is getting interesting i type nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and i open a file that has nothing in it |
| 17:51.45 | Dulak | seeker61: Yeah by default that file doesn't exist, it autodetects everything by default. |
| 17:51.56 | jhutchins_wk | seeker61: That's correct, since squeeze the default is to autodetect and not use xorg.conf |
| 17:52.23 | Dulak | It's been so long since I wrote my xorg.conf I don't even remember how to generate one to start with |
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| 17:52.27 | foxtrot9 | seeker61, use this manual to configure your card: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 17:52.31 | seeker61 | Dulak: so now what should I do? You guys are being very helpful |
| 17:52.52 | foxtrot9 | i find the debian wiki to be an invaluable resource |
| 17:53.41 | seeker61 | foxtrot9: ok i will study that. i will return with great results. |
| 17:53.41 | Dulak | seeker61: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg?action=show&redirect=ConfigureX |
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| 18:01.15 | bla | Hello. |
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| 18:02.38 | pielgrzym | after disabling ipv6 in debian squeeze nginx won't start: [emerg]: socket() [::]:80 failed (97: Address family not supported by protocol). Please tell me I don't need to recompile nginx by hand to fix this bullshit :(((( |
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| 18:03.41 | valdyn | pielgrzym: the listen address is usually configurable |
| 18:03.43 | daemonkeeper | You could fix your attitude. |
| 18:03.44 | MestreLion | about debian repositories... are testing and unstable copies copies of stable with updated packages, or they contain only the updated packages? |
| 18:03.54 | pielgrzym | daemonkeeper: sorry |
| 18:04.10 | pielgrzym | valdyn: I use plain localhost. but! maybe it's something inside /etc/hosts |
| 18:04.22 | bla | pielgrzym, disable listening address. |
| 18:04.35 | valdyn | pielgrzym: [::]:80 is not plain localhost, its not ip6-localhost either |
| 18:04.45 | valdyn | pielgrzym: this is a global, listen everwhere |
| 18:04.51 | daemonkeeper | So well, it binds to IPv6 despite of you having it disabled. Fix the listening interface and you're done-. |
| 18:05.21 | pielgrzym | thanks guys! and sorry for my initiall irritating approach |
| 18:05.22 | MestreLion | in other words: are unstable and/or testing distribuitions own their own, or just supplements to the stable repository? |
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| 18:05.27 | bla | pielgrzym, do you use vhosts? Have you got 'listen' directive in a vhost? |
| 18:05.47 | daemonkeeper | MestreLion: They are independent of each other. |
| 18:05.58 | valdyn | MestreLion: sid aka unstable is always "complete", testing only usually |
| 18:06.04 | slikts | apt-get gets frozen for me all the time, could it be because I'm copying a lot of files over scp? |
| 18:06.17 | valdyn | slikts: yes |
| 18:06.29 | MestreLion | daemonkeeper: thank you |
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| 18:06.50 | slikts | valdyn: I don't see that it would be taking a lot of cpu in top, though |
| 18:06.51 | MestreLion | valdyn: now I am confused... so testing depends on stable? |
| 18:07.07 | pielgrzym | fixed :) there was one listen [::]80 in default config. thanks again! |
| 18:07.07 | valdyn | MestreLion: no, i said "usually" |
| 18:07.28 | valdyn | MestreLion: neither sid nor testing are designed for users |
| 18:07.56 | MestreLion | valdyn: "usually" in what sense, care to elaborate? |
| 18:07.57 | slikts | the system is also responsive otherwise, just apt-get and apt-cache get stuck |
| 18:08.05 | valdyn | MestreLion: usually means that its usually complete |
| 18:08.13 | slikts | i'd check io stats but I can't install the tools for that |
| 18:08.18 | valdyn | MestreLion: i dont know whats hard to understand about that |
| 18:08.36 | valdyn | slikts: cpu usage has nothing to do with this |
| 18:08.55 | MestreLion | valdyn: yes, i know.. I'm doing a script that calculates the installed size of each repo... but I wasnt sure if stable and testing contained all the packages fro mstable |
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| 18:09.27 | MestreLion | (in updated versions, of course) |
| 18:09.31 | bla | How can I get esddsp in Debian Wheezy? (There was in squeeze, and I've just upgraded to get never iceweasel...) |
| 18:09.37 | valdyn | slikts: when one up or download breaks network traffic you are trying to do simultaniously, then that is because your usual home internet access is built in a way that is exactly prone to such behaviour |
| 18:09.57 | MestreLion | valdyn: I want to understand under which conditions testing is not complete |
| 18:10.01 | TheWarden | how do I make an init script load last? change the position of loading and how do I find out what position the script is at for loading? |
| 18:10.03 | slikts | valdyn: I'm actually copying files from one vps to another :) |
| 18:10.07 | slikts | with about 2 MB/s |
| 18:10.40 | slikts | 1-2 MB/s seems to little to drastically affect apt-get |
| 18:10.41 | valdyn | slikts: same thing , except that I obviously cannot know much about your vps |
| 18:10.51 | MestreLion | TheWarden: bootchart can help you map your init scripts sequence |
| 18:10.53 | valdyn | slikts: google buffer bloat |
| 18:10.56 | slikts | valdyn: for instance, now apt-get install is stuck at "unpacking" |
| 18:11.06 | slikts | valdyn: I know buffer bloat |
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| 18:11.08 | valdyn | slikts: so its not stuck at downloading |
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| 18:11.33 | valdyn | slikts: ok, so this isnt about network traffic at all |
| 18:11.53 | valdyn | slikts: this is your "broken" vps only then |
| 18:11.55 | slikts | valdyn: no, I'm just guessing that it's related to the scp copying I'm doing |
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| 18:12.27 | slikts | the broken VPS is copying with 6 MB/s now, not too shabby |
| 18:12.47 | LordDeath | after installing the new libpng update do I have to restart something? |
| 18:12.55 | valdyn | slikts: thats less than a cheap atom cpu |
| 18:12.59 | LordDeath | like apache or anything else? |
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| 18:13.16 | slikts | valdyn: it's over network, though |
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| 18:13.52 | slikts | i.e., wan |
| 18:14.24 | bla | Can I get output from iceweasel to a running esd somehow? |
| 18:14.25 | valdyn | slikts: we cant really help you, youre getting some behaviour that can easily happen in a vps, but we cant fix it |
| 18:14.38 | slikts | yes, sry for taking time |
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| 18:14.54 | valdyn | slikts: welcome |
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| 18:15.46 | valdyn | LordDeath: what does apache have to do with libpng? |
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| 18:17.28 | TheWarden | MestreLion: Ahh okay, thanks. There must be a way to tell the order though without such an app no? |
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| 18:19.32 | MestreLion | TheWarden: sure, since bootchart is not for changing order. But it is a vital tool if you want to know what is going on in your booot sequence, find bottlenecks, etc |
| 18:20.31 | TheWarden | MestreLion: oh okay... how does one choose the order in which a script runs? I have one I want to load last. |
| 18:21.07 | MestreLion | TheWarden: that depends on how the script is triggered. SysV ? Upstart? |
| 18:21.23 | trysten | does anyone know about ftp not working if there is a dash in the URL? i can't seem to ftp to anything with a dash in it :( |
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| 18:21.56 | TheWarden | MestreLion: Well I'm knew to all this... I placed my script in /etc/init.d and did update-rc.d script-name defaults |
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| 18:23.12 | MestreLion | TheWarden: /etc/init.d is the SysV system... you should google about that |
| 18:23.46 | pzn | I need to create an "special mailbox"... all mails arriving to this account must be read by 3 people, and this account should have mails in read-only, users won't have how to erase or move e-mails. any hints about how to reach this behaviour? |
| 18:23.58 | MestreLion | the order is chosen by filename, they usually have a numeric part |
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| 18:24.37 | TheWarden | MestreLion: I have been and thus far it appears I've done it correctly but thus far have not found anything on ordering the script or even how to find out the order its in. |
| 18:24.41 | MestreLion | TheWarden: but, if you want is for your script to load right before the login screen, and not mess with system boot, you could use /etc/gdm/Init/Default |
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| 18:25.38 | MestreLion | assuming you're using the default Gnome install |
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| 18:26.27 | TheWarden | mm yes I am... but I should keep it in how I'm doing it now so that I can learn how this works. mmmm where to figure this out. |
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| 18:28.11 | MestreLion | TheWarden: take a look at wikipedia's articles on Init, Runlevel, Upstart |
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| 18:29.02 | MestreLion | TheWarden: also take a look at sysv-rc-conf package |
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| 18:29.52 | TheWarden | okay thanks |
| 18:30.32 | MestreLion | TheWarden: last but not least: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch03.en.html |
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| 18:33.40 | __zero | does anyone know why this might be happening? I've never seen this error before when installing a package http://pastebin.com/DQauuyS3 |
| 18:33.49 | TheWarden | thanks so much I'll go off now and read all this. thanks. |
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| 18:37.40 | MestreLion | __zero: are you using a locally-compiled perl? |
| 18:37.47 | __zero | MestreLion: no |
| 18:37.58 | __zero | MestreLion: from repos |
| 18:39.20 | MestreLion | did you try to look for strict.pm ? |
| 18:39.59 | __zero | MestreLion: I'll do it once the computer finishes restarting |
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| 18:40.45 | MestreLion | __zero: instal the perl packages first, since it looks like the one triggering the errors |
| 18:41.02 | karlpinc | MestreLion: FWIW, the <readme.debian> for insserv explains everything. |
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| 18:41.49 | MestreLion | karlpinc: about what? |
| 18:41.57 | aixenv | hey - im trying to determine the earliest debian squeeze kernel that has support for VMXNET3 (a vmware nic driver) |
| 18:42.03 | jmd | My key is broken. Is there a way I can emulate it in software? |
| 18:42.25 | karlpinc | MestreLion: boot ordering |
| 18:42.30 | jelly-home | jmd: which key again? Heheh. |
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| 18:43.30 | jmd | The key. |
| 18:43.39 | jelly-home | :-D |
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| 18:43.51 | guest100000 | :))) |
| 18:44.05 | jelly-home | !jmd++ |
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| 18:45.53 | burhan | any recommended solutions for synchronizing packages across multiple debian systems - kind of like system profiles that's applied across a set of server groups. |
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| 18:46.37 | __zero | i tried to install the perl package but this is what i get: http://pastebin.com/1vqfyYyT |
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| 18:47.05 | Big_Brother | how does git work? |
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| 18:47.40 | karlpinc | burhan: puppet does that, iirc. Or you could see the <aptitude clone> factoid. |
| 18:47.46 | jmd | Big_Brother, #git |
| 18:48.05 | aixenv | use puppet for sure |
| 18:48.14 | os_ | __zero: try to remove perl-models |
| 18:48.17 | aixenv | that or build your own software standard |
| 18:48.26 | burhan | what's the difference between puppet and chef? |
| 18:48.27 | drwahl | burhan: setup a cron job to update packages every X minutes and point it at a repo that you control |
| 18:48.41 | os_ | then try to install perl-base |
| 18:48.53 | burhan | drwahl: well I'm already doing apt-mirror |
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| 18:49.37 | drwahl | burhan: imho, puppet is superior to chef. chef sticks the entire manifest on every server whereas puppet caches the catalog for just the relative stuff on each server. puppet is written in ruby though, so that kinda sucks |
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| 18:50.04 | karlpinc | burhan: puppet seems to be the "standard". |
| 18:50.32 | drwahl | burhan: so if you have a mirror of package that is authoritative for your servers, just have them ensure the latest package is installed by running a cron job every so often that pulls down the latest packages |
| 18:50.33 | burhan | I hope it doesn't mean I need to know lots of ruby to make it work. |
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| 18:50.54 | burhan | drwahl: that's okay, but the problem comes when provisioning new machines. |
| 18:51.06 | drwahl | how so? they should be pulling from the same repo |
| 18:51.10 | __zero | os_: I fixed it by doing --force-overwrite.. |
| 18:51.24 | drwahl | you shouldn't be pulling from public repos upon each new install. point to your local copy of the mirror |
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| 18:52.31 | karlpinc | burhan: For provisioning new machines see the install guide vis automated installs. |
| 18:53.14 | burhan | karlpinc: thanks, I'll look into that. |
| 18:54.07 | karlpinc | burhan: But I don't think you need to worry about that if you use puppet, although it might be the way to get puppet onto the new machines. :) |
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| 18:54.43 | burhan | to be honest I was already looking at puppet, but I wanted to see if there was something else more suited for debian, like satellite for rh systems. |
| 18:56.21 | Hydroxide | satellite is basically just a package cache for RHN, right? |
| 18:56.29 | Hydroxide | you can use approx or apt-cacher-ng for a local package cache |
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| 19:00.29 | burhan | its a server that helps you provision systems and push updates to them. |
| 19:00.35 | burhan | like a local version of red hat network |
| 19:00.48 | karlpinc | burhan: If you've your own software you want to develop/test/deploy/archive you can create your own repos (one each for develop/test/deploy/old) and either add the relevant one to sources.list or use pinning to force particular versions on particular hosts. |
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| 19:02.27 | burhan | hmm |
| 19:02.38 | karlpinc | burhan: (Bascially, exactly what debian does with experimental/sid/testing/stable/oldstable.) |
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| 19:03.12 | burhan | if I do that, I'd have to then somehow tell apt to install everything from that repo. |
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| 19:03.51 | karlpinc | burhan: Yes. Package installation, either at install or ongoing, is a different issue. |
| 19:03.56 | burhan | karlpinc: I think I'll try with puppet for now, and if it doesn't do what we need then I can look into other things. |
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| 19:04.35 | karlpinc | burhan: puppet solves the install/mainatain package set problem. The different repos is just for adding your own software into the mix. |
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| 19:06.20 | jelly-home | FAI for initial deployment |
| 19:06.27 | jelly-home | !fai |
| 19:06.28 | dpkg | Fully Automatic Installation (FAI) is an automated tool to install or deploy Debian (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Oracle Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://fai-project.org/ #fai on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 19:08.21 | burhan | never heard of fai. |
| 19:08.25 | pdtpatr1ck | Question - does anyone know of a similar service like Moonwalk (http://www.moonwalkinc.com/products/moonwalk-for-linux) for Ubuntu/Debian ? |
| 19:09.09 | os_ | hi |
| 19:10.02 | trysten | pdtpatr1ck: bash. |
| 19:10.13 | os_ | how do i install a language to display in gnome |
| 19:10.35 | burhan | pdtpatr1ck: if you have tons of money, tsm does this. |
| 19:10.41 | os_ | to make it as a locale for gnome |
| 19:10.48 | pdtpatr1ck | burhan: link please |
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| 19:11.24 | trysten | pdtpatr1ck: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Tivoli_Storage_Manager ... |
| 19:11.42 | burhan | pdtpatr1ck: www.ibm.com/software/tivoli/products/storage-mgr/ |
| 19:12.02 | burhan | its actually very good, but its not cheap. |
| 19:12.13 | jelly-home | isn't HSM a different product? |
| 19:12.41 | Lint | os_, just compile the locale |
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| 19:13.14 | jelly-home | the concept explained: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchical_storage_management |
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| 19:13.40 | os_ | Lint: no package to install ? |
| 19:13.50 | Lint | os_, no |
| 19:13.53 | burhan | jelly-home: its a component of tsm. |
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| 19:14.11 | burhan | you can't get HSM without TSM |
| 19:14.14 | os_ | Lint: thanks! |
| 19:14.28 | jelly-home | right, TSM as a framework |
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| 19:15.38 | burhan | well TSM as a overall systems management ... err ... system. |
| 19:15.48 | burhan | storage management is just one part of it. |
| 19:16.10 | burhan | there is the whole systems management, troubleshooting, provisioning, etc. etc. |
| 19:16.14 | jelly-home | TSM, however, isn't fully supported on Debian. |
| 19:16.25 | Ramiel | what character to use for a patched version of a package? '~' is not suitable as I want the patched version to supersede current one |
| 19:16.35 | jelly-home | "best effort" support says IBM |
| 19:17.05 | burhan | jelly-home: usually the partner does some work. |
| 19:17.06 | jelly-home | which is probably what one can make that Moonwalk thing do as well |
| 19:18.18 | jelly-home | burhan: our partner knew zip-all about Debian. We had to repackage the clients, deal with amd64 issues, figure out matching versions ourselves. And that's just basic backup/archive functionality, no HSM. |
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| 19:19.29 | burhan | geez :/ I guess we lucked out with our partner. |
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| 19:19.42 | burhan | actually we went with premier partner in the country. |
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| 19:22.15 | burhan | we were old customers of theirs - but thankfully we were very ... VERY ... upfront with them on what we needed. |
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| 19:22.37 | bla | I like it how apt-get install gnome kills network connection to remote. ;s |
| 19:23.01 | jhutchins_wk | bla: That's just you. |
| 19:23.03 | burhan | bla: I think NetworkManager would be to blame for that. |
| 19:23.09 | burhan | if I were to guess. |
| 19:23.12 | bla | Yeah, it started dhcp. |
| 19:23.16 | Woet | bla: I hope you're not installing gnome on a server? |
| 19:23.28 | bla | Woet, remote desktop. |
| 19:23.43 | bla | And a public dev-machine. |
| 19:24.59 | mashed | bla: how do you configure your network connection i the first place? |
| 19:25.03 | FDFlock | Hello everyone! Quick question about SSH: Is "PermitRootLogin yes" the default on Debian? |
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| 19:25.11 | bla | mashed, /etc/network/interfaces entries. |
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| 19:25.19 | mashed | FDFlock: yes |
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| 19:25.33 | bla | Doesn't installator ask about it? At least in expert mode? |
| 19:25.38 | bla | (root login that is) |
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| 19:25.51 | mashed | bla: odd, i've never had that problem before. then again i've never installed it remotely. |
| 19:25.57 | FDFlock | mashed: WOW! That's crazy! A friend of mine actually thought he had been hacked when he saw it! |
| 19:26.27 | FDFlock | mashed: Thank you for the answer |
| 19:26.27 | nani81 | ciao |
| 19:26.27 | roasted_ | hello! |
| 19:26.29 | mashed | FDFlock: rule #1 never assume defaults to be secure |
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| 19:26.33 | roasted_ | I'm used to using system-config-samba on my machines for quick GUI based samba edits. I'm not finding it in Debian 6. Ehh??? |
| 19:26.33 | bla | FDFlock, I usually change it to 'without-password'. Which looks even more hacky. |
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| 19:27.11 | bla | mashed, I'll have something push it overthere. Next time I'll use virtual containers for this. ;) |
| 19:27.22 | FDFlock | mashed: I know, it's off on my machine since I-don't-remember-when, that's why I had to ask |
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| 19:28.45 | guest100000 | FDFlock: base debian system haven't ssh server installed as ubuntu... |
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| 19:29.35 | guest100000 | it needs config also... when installing ssh server |
| 19:30.00 | guest100000 | if you fear |
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| 19:31.00 | FDFlock | guest100000: ...which is not a reason to have insecure defaults! (As for Ubuntu, PermitRootLogin is almost secure there, since the root account is passwordless) |
| 19:31.24 | FDFlock | (...still horrible though) |
| 19:32.26 | FDFlock | bla: Thx for without-password, I didn't know about that. (I don't allow password login anyway, but it sounds usefull) |
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| 19:32.47 | FDFlock | *useful |
| 19:33.09 | bla | If you use keys to login to root accounts remotely it's pretty nice while being pretty secure. |
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| 19:33.34 | jelly-home | FDFlock: there's nothing inherently insecure about PermitRootLogin, it comes down to policy choice |
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| 19:35.10 | FDFlock | Of course, it just is a strange choice. As I said before, mine is off, but a friend thought that his box had been hacked when he saw his turned on. |
| 19:35.36 | FDFlock | He couldn't even imagine it was the default! |
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| 19:36.51 | bla | ;-p |
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| 19:38.12 | FDFlock | Alo, I find not-so-secure defaults a bit worrying, for the following reason: SSH might be very easy to configure (it really is), but there are dozens of more obscure services where the user has to rely on the defaults. |
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| 19:38.16 | FDFlock | *Also |
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| 19:38.54 | FDFlock | eg. mailservers |
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| 19:41.42 | jhutchins_wk | FDFlock: The user doesn't have to rely on the defaults, the user has to educate himself. |
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| 19:42.50 | roasted_ | I'm used to using system-config-samba on my machines for quick GUI based samba edits. I'm not finding it in Debian 6. Ehh??? |
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| 19:44.30 | jmd | When wi wheezy be reased? |
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| 19:45.24 | kevlarman | jmd: freeze is in june iirc |
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| 19:45.30 | kevlarman | release ~a month after |
| 19:45.42 | os_ | hi |
| 19:45.42 | jmd | oh good. |
| 19:47.42 | dvs | kevlarman: a month? Good luck with that! |
| 19:47.52 | kevlarman | dvs: ok longer than a month |
| 19:48.05 | kevlarman | it's been a while since i ran debian, i thought i remembered it being a month |
| 19:48.16 | jhutchins_wk | More like six. |
| 19:48.33 | dvs | kevlarman: September would be a Godsent! |
| 19:48.38 | kevlarman | i stay away from stable :P |
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| 19:55.43 | roasted_ | I'm used to using system-config-samba on my machines for quick GUI based samba edits. I'm not finding it in Debian 6. Ehh??? |
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| 19:56.32 | jelly-home | judd: file system-config-samba |
| 19:56.36 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 19:57.00 | azm | im so disappoint by ubuntu |
| 19:57.06 | azm | the new gnome thing |
| 19:57.15 | azm | does debian has this too ? |
| 19:57.27 | roasted_ | azm: it's not my top DE, but it's definitely gotten a lot better. |
| 19:57.31 | roasted_ | azm: it's very young yet. it'll take time. |
| 19:57.44 | azm | well i dont like the idea of sidebar |
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| 19:57.58 | azm | like it appears when you flash ver the edge |
| 19:58.04 | roasted_ | azm: nobody said you had to. ;) |
| 19:58.09 | azm | yea |
| 19:58.22 | azm | so i have two choices |
| 19:58.26 | azm | kde or xfce |
| 19:58.28 | Lint | azm, gnome 2 is dead and gone |
| 19:58.28 | roasted_ | azm: I use Ubuntu with Gnome Shell. I don't use Unity as my primary desktop, even though I applaud their efforts on how far they've gotten. |
| 19:58.43 | roasted_ | azm: Gnome Shell (3), XFCE, KDE, LXFE, many options bro. |
| 19:58.54 | azm | hehe |
| 19:59.00 | Lint | azm, xfce will soon migrate to GTK 3 too |
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| 19:59.09 | azm | ok, i like you being friendly even after i mentioned ubuntu. |
| 19:59.16 | roasted_ | azm: this aint no Windows/Apple world here. We have choice bro! |
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| 19:59.30 | Lint | !ubuntu |
| 19:59.31 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 19:59.33 | roasted_ | azm: Of course. Ubuntu is a fellow Linux brethren. No reason to talk against our own kind. |
| 19:59.52 | azm | yea, well i guess will give a try to gnome shell |
| 20:00.00 | roasted_ | azm: anybody who badmouths another Linux distro is as bad as those Apple fanboys that everybody seems to passionately dislike. :P |
| 20:00.11 | roasted_ | azm: I love gnome shell. It took me a while to get used to it, though. |
| 20:00.27 | azm | well i like all three OSes tbh |
| 20:00.31 | roasted_ | azm: for a long time I was that dude on the mailing list complaining about this or that. But after a while, they updated it, fixed some bugs, and really polished it. |
| 20:00.46 | roasted_ | azm: there's things I like/dislike about all OSs. I mean, geez, I'm on a Mac as I type this. |
| 20:00.58 | roasted_ | azm: ask me if I'm happy about it though and I'll have a different answer. :D |
| 20:01.06 | guest100000 | i think that we have enough choises i use fluxbox and i'm happy |
| 20:01.10 | azm | yea, same here. |
| 20:01.17 | roasted_ | guest100000: nothing wrong with that! |
| 20:01.19 | azm | or awesome |
| 20:01.21 | azm | lol |
| 20:01.21 | roasted_ | guest100000: it gets the job done, right? |
| 20:01.32 | kim__ | roasted_, $distro is horrible HORRIBLE I tell you! It can't even $ecclectic_capability! I mean, who wants to use a linux that can't even $ecclectic_capability? $distro is dying, netcraft confirms it! |
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| 20:01.38 | guest100000 | roasted_: yep |
| 20:01.59 | roasted_ | kim__: haha, I hear ya. |
| 20:02.16 | roasted_ | Linux distros can be best compared to beer, in my opinion. Doesn't matter what you're having; we're all here having a good time. :D |
| 20:02.25 | guest100000 | :D |
| 20:02.38 | kim__ | Wait until you visit belgium! |
| 20:02.45 | roasted_ | har har :P |
| 20:02.47 | kim__ | (I have from good sources, I don't actually drink beer ^^;; ) |
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| 20:03.43 | bitHipy | or to prove roasted_ wrong, visit some begian bars, then go to the U.S. and drink beer |
| 20:04.17 | roasted_ | bitHipy: pfft, burstin my bubble here brah :P |
| 20:04.34 | dondelelcaro | bitHipy: the US actually has some pretty amazing beers, but this is way, way, OT. |
| 20:04.35 | bitHipy | returning to the US in this case would be like returning to MS Windows |
| 20:05.07 | roasted_ | haha, very OT indeed. My apologies! |
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| 20:05.17 | roasted_ | (though it's not like any other conversation was going on to interrupt). sigh. |
| 20:05.42 | bitHipy | steps aside for the more interesting Debian chatter |
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| 20:06.14 | roasted_ | Here's a Debian question (don't stab me) where's my samba GUI at? |
| 20:06.20 | roasted_ | I can't find system-config-samba in the repos. |
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| 20:08.08 | Diopter | roasted_: Use the SWAT web interface! ;P |
| 20:08.15 | roasted_ | meh |
| 20:08.20 | roasted_ | I want my little simple GUI. |
| 20:09.12 | roasted_ | Ubuntu has it in their repos. (oh yes, I went there). :D |
| 20:09.12 | FDFlock | "< jhutchins_wk> FDFlock: The user doesn't have to rely on the defaults, the user has to educate himself." --> A late reply, but I have to say that while I agree completely, this is not a reason not to provide sane/secure defaults. Also, to educate yourself you need time and documentation. Both are scarce. |
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| 20:09.48 | FDFlock | jhutchins_wk: Again, I don't speak about SSH; this is very easy to use and secure. |
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| 20:10.11 | roasted_ | <3 me some SSH |
| 20:10.23 | roasted_ | I just discovered how braindead easy it is to set up the other day. I had been avoiding it for so long :( |
| 20:10.51 | FDFlock | roasted_: see? Unlike lots of othe protocols! |
| 20:11.15 | roasted_ | FDFlock: seriously, it's what, 2 flippin commands and you're done. ssh-copy-id takes out the work. |
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| 20:11.37 | guest100000 | FDFlock: if your root pass is strong, maybe you are safe...openssh-server is heavy for brute forcing.... but who knows |
| 20:11.39 | FDFlock | roasted_: a VERY good security advice: do not use the deault port (22). |
| 20:11.56 | roasted_ | FDFlock: definitely. I also disable password auth once I have the keys set up and they've been tested. |
| 20:12.11 | Woet | FDFlock: although that only helps against random brute forces, not targeted ones. |
| 20:12.18 | Woet | so don't rely on it as security |
| 20:12.21 | FDFlock | roasted_: great! same here |
| 20:12.29 | FDFlock | Woet: yeah, of course |
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| 20:12.46 | roasted_ | it's a shame windows doesn't support SSH :/ |
| 20:12.53 | Woet | roasted_: it supports it just fine |
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| 20:13.00 | ycat | 22 is ok w/ pubkey^^ |
| 20:13.09 | Woet | roasted_: http://sshwindows.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:13.14 | roasted_ | Woet: my apologies. I meant rsync. I set up rsync/ssh recently and it was a total headache. |
| 20:13.18 | FDFlock | roasted_: PuTTY is by far the best client for SSH on Windows |
| 20:13.32 | roasted_ | rsync was the dead end, unless I went with cygmod or whatever it is |
| 20:13.33 | FDFlock | roasted_: For a server, there is the Cygwin port of OpenSSH |
| 20:13.45 | roasted_ | this was for a client |
| 20:13.52 | Woet | roasted_: cygwin |
| 20:13.54 | roasted_ | I just wanted the client to rsync its data to a linux server using SSH authentication |
| 20:14.31 | dondelelcaro | roasted_: there is a windows rsync client which works just fine; it'll even do key-based ssh authentication with putty, iirc. |
| 20:14.35 | FDFlock | BTW, PuTTY is also a great terminal emulator, once set up correctly (I don't like its defaults) |
| 20:14.50 | roasted_ | dondelelcaro: deltacopy? |
| 20:14.53 | dondelelcaro | but this conversation belongs in #windows, not #debian. |
| 20:15.01 | roasted_ | oh gosh, there we go again |
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| 20:15.56 | roasted_ | It was just easier since this was LAN based to run the windows boxes through Samba and set up the software (syncback freeware) to save the share username/pw. |
| 20:16.04 | roasted_ | then I stuck with rsync/ssh for the linux boxes. |
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| 20:16.12 | Woet | roasted_: it would be even easier if you don't use windows in the first place. |
| 20:16.17 | roasted_ | Woet: I don't. |
| 20:16.29 | roasted_ | Woet: My mother dual boots. I set up a backup server @ their place. |
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| 20:17.23 | roasted_ | Woet: plus my brothers are gamers, so I set it up so both OS's sync to their shares on the server. rsync and ssh made it a walk in the park, but like I said, the windows side was a bit different. |
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| 20:18.35 | Diopter | roasted_: rsync + ssh was a "total headache"? lolwat? |
| 20:18.42 | roasted_ | Diopter: on windows. |
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| 20:18.47 | roasted_ | Diopter: <3'd it on Linux |
| 20:19.17 | Diopter | Oh. Well, yes. Keyword there is "windows" |
| 20:19.34 | roasted_ | Diopter: you're preachin to the choir my friend. Believe me, I know it. :D |
| 20:19.41 | FDFlock | roasted_: There is also SSHFS (SSH filesystem driver!), if you're interested. There's even an experimental Windows version (but it's quite immature and unrelated to the Linux SSHFS). |
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| 20:20.06 | roasted_ | Diopter: but I'm not going to criticize family members for needing Windows around for certain things, whcih is why instead of arguing with it, I just found an alternative solution to do the same job. In this case, Samba + SyncBack Freeware was the winning ticket. |
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| 20:20.42 | roasted_ | Diopter: mostly though for gaming. The only erason my mother has Windows is because her laptop is brand new and I was too busy moving out to install Ubuntu just yet. :P |
| 20:20.53 | roasted_ | er, I mean, Debian. (sees that I'm still in the debian IRC) :D |
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| 20:21.00 | FDFlock | :D |
| 20:21.10 | Diopter | Seems like it'd be easier to mount the Windows share over Samba and rsync the contents. |
| 20:21.34 | project2501a | hey guys, is the makejail package the way to make an apache chrooted environment? |
| 20:21.50 | roasted_ | Diopter: rsync in Windows is where I kept hitting a brick wall. I don't know what protocol SyncBack Freeware uses, but its features seemed similar to what rsync did anyway, so it was hard to argue when it did what I needed. |
| 20:22.23 | Diopter | roasted_: No, I mean, mount the filesystem on the linux box, using cifs/smbfs. Then use rsync on the local mountpoint |
| 20:22.25 | roasted_ | Diopter: it had features which mimic'd "--delete", etc. Couldn't really argue it so I hooked it up and it's been running perfectly at 7 PM Ever since. :D |
| 20:22.36 | roasted_ | Diopter: you mean, from the server, "draw" the data OFF the client? |
| 20:22.43 | Diopter | Correct. |
| 20:22.49 | Diopter | Since your server has the better tooling by far |
| 20:23.00 | roasted_ | Diopter: that was presented to me, but I had already set everything up by the time someone told me that. |
| 20:23.06 | Diopter | mm |
| 20:23.11 | FDFlock | not an unreasonable idea |
| 20:23.12 | roasted_ | Diopter: I had never thought of drawing data off a client. That just sounds backwards to me. :P |
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| 20:23.30 | roasted_ | Diopter: their backups run quietly with no user interaction. The worst they get is an icon in the taskbar by the clock in Windows. |
| 20:23.37 | roasted_ | Diopter: rsync of course works in the background entirely too. |
| 20:23.44 | Diopter | It's only backward to the way you started forward first :) |
| 20:24.02 | roasted_ | Diopter: my goal was to have the systems, windows and linux alike, synchronize their data to their specified share on the linux server. I have that, so, I'm happy :D |
| 20:24.18 | roasted_ | Diopter: I am however insanely curious about that idea you brought up... |
| 20:24.26 | Diopter | The benefit of clients contacting server(s) comes into play with larger scaling with lots of clients |
| 20:24.33 | roasted_ | Diopter: is there anything specific to setting it up? I'm almost drawing a blank as to how I'd do it. |
| 20:24.38 | Diopter | Particularly when you make it so the server doesn't have to know about all the clients ahead of time |
| 20:24.50 | Diopter | For the server to initiate connections to clients, it has to know about all the clients |
| 20:24.56 | Diopter | And that sucks to maintain at larger scales |
| 20:24.59 | roasted_ | Diopter: SSH keys? |
| 20:25.00 | Diopter | Otherwise, they're equivalent |
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| 20:25.15 | FDFlock | roasted_: I just hope your server also has a good backup policy. RAID1 or 5 would also be a good idea. :) |
| 20:25.22 | Diopter | That's not the crux of the "knowing about" I'm meaning :) |
| 20:25.27 | Diopter | More like IPs/hostnames |
| 20:25.36 | FDFlock | doesn't have a good backup policy yet. |
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| 20:25.56 | roasted_ | FDFlock: nah, not yet. I'm not entirely unpacked yet, so I don't know where all of my computer gear is. For now I set the backup server to run on a single drive. My goal is to run raid 1 on it if I find my box of spare drives... |
| 20:26.08 | bitHipy | if an app does not have SOCKS proxy ability, how can it route through tor? |
| 20:26.22 | bitHipy | oops.. wrong channel.. sory |
| 20:26.45 | roasted_ | FDFlock: I look at it like this, even though the backup server has a single drive, it's still a backup. If the backup drive dies, fine, I'll get a new one, but the likelihood of a client system AND backup drive failing in the temporary time frame that it'll be set up is slim. |
| 20:26.53 | roasted_ | FDFlock: but like I said, 1 backup drive is better than no backup drives. |
| 20:27.03 | Diopter | bitHipy: proxychains |
| 20:27.12 | Diopter | proxychains is the win |
| 20:27.14 | FDFlock | roasted_: yes, true |
| 20:27.18 | bitHipy | ty Diopter.. i'll check it out |
| 20:27.22 | roasted_ | Diopter: yeah, I'm still not piecing it together. I mean, how would the server and client know they both exist? |
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| 20:28.06 | Diopter | roasted_: Fairly simply. Let's say that we're talking all linux boxes, and we're using ssh with some common credentials, so we can scp files. |
| 20:28.21 | Diopter | roasted_: Keeps the scenario as simple as "connect to this IP, transfer file" |
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| 20:28.32 | roasted_ | FDFlock: the end goal will likely be putting a PCI card in the server with an internal USB port, then running / off of the flash drive in thte USB port and using the 2 SATA ports I have in RAID1. |
| 20:28.37 | guardian | hi |
| 20:28.43 | Diopter | roasted_: So, if you want the server to initiate connections, it has to know ahead of time the list of client IPs. |
| 20:28.50 | guardian | does logrotate mail logs before deleting them by default on debian? |
| 20:28.51 | Diopter | roasted_: If you have 4 clients and 1 server, not a big deal. |
| 20:28.58 | roasted_ | Diopter: gotcha. |
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| 20:29.05 | Diopter | roasted_: If you want the clients to initiate connections, they only need to know the server IP(s). |
| 20:29.17 | Diopter | roasted_: 1 server, easy. 4 vs 1 is not a big deal. |
| 20:29.23 | roasted_ | Diopter: does it just reference a config file that you have to populate with the IPs? |
| 20:29.36 | Diopter | roasted_: But if you have 5000 clients connecting to 20 servers to upload logs or monitoring stats.. |
| 20:29.43 | roasted_ | yuck... |
| 20:29.44 | Diopter | Now you've got a significant advantage to clients initiating :P |
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| 20:30.14 | FDFlock | roasted_: I've done something similar in the past, but USB is unreliable. Use it ONLY for booting i you can, eg. you can choose a distro that runs entirely from RAM once boot'ed. |
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| 20:30.33 | roasted_ | FDFlock: I've been using it for years... never had a single failure... |
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| 20:31.18 | roasted_ | FDFlock: my file server right now is running Ubuntu / on a 4gb flash drive, with a RAID'd mirror for /media/storage that I sink torrents into around the clock |
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| 20:31.22 | FDFlock | roasted_: A few years ago USb drives were actually more reliable than the new ones, I think :) |
| 20:31.38 | roasted_ | FDFlock: not to mention it runs video surveillance too, so it's saving video feed around the clock |
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| 20:32.46 | roasted_ | Hey, I don't know brah. My 10 dollar Kingston flash drive has been running nonstop for years, no issues. :D |
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| 20:33.23 | Diopter | So long as you don't do a lot of writes to the same spots... |
| 20:33.39 | roasted_ | Diopter: all of that is really done on the array I have in there. |
| 20:33.54 | roasted_ | Diopter: all of my samba shares, zoneminder writes for video surveillance, torrents, etc go to the array |
| 20:34.07 | roasted_ | Diopter: the flash drive is really just for the OS. I don't even think I have swap on there. |
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| 20:36.04 | roasted_ | anyway, I'm out of here. Take it easy fellas. |
| 20:36.09 | FDFlock | Diopter: I guess most (all?) flash drives implement wear-leveling techniques. The problem is not that; it's that memory cells are getting smaller and smaller, holding less and less charge and having decreased life cycles. Also, a few years ago you could find SLC USB flash drives. |
| 20:36.14 | FDFlock | Nowadays you cannot. |
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| 20:43.35 | Slamd64 | Hello. I have question about lxde: is there any theme for lxde that looks like lubuntu's ozone? This default is too basic. |
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| 20:57.54 | ksk | i use an "ErrorDocument 403 /www/404.html" in vhost config. but an request which triggers "file name too long: access to $long_url failed" servers the global 403 document. any idea? |
| 20:57.58 | ksk | *hi |
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| 21:02.33 | bunny69 | how do you screen -r after su-ing to a user? it doesn't work then... |
| 21:04.06 | WinstonSmith | bunny69: just do a "script /dev/null" |
| 21:04.14 | WinstonSmith | after su'ing |
| 21:04.23 | WinstonSmith | then screen will work |
| 21:04.45 | nkuttler | bunny69: i only su inside screen sessions |
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| 21:10.29 | bunny69 | WinstonSmith many thanks but will it really work? |
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| 21:10.50 | bunny69 | that /dev/null makes mi think of some kind of annihilation... |
| 21:10.52 | WinstonSmith | bunny69: well it works for me on 2 different boxes |
| 21:11.05 | WinstonSmith | TIAS |
| 21:11.12 | bunny69 | nkuttler i can't because i'm root and going down to some user to correct his process on screen |
| 21:11.26 | bunny69 | thank you, i will test it |
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| 21:11.33 | bunny69 | sounds like a really nice trick |
| 21:12.52 | Vasistha | Any icedove users? My mail host changed their authentication requirements, and I'm not sure how to change the settings. Tried something in prefs.js but ... well, I still can't send messages. This is a problem. |
| 21:13.49 | nkuttler | bunny69: interesting... can't you just pass the correct pid to connect to whatever session you want? |
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| 21:15.13 | bunny69 | nkuttler in such case you can't even see a list of screens running on user... |
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| 21:15.32 | bunny69 | i'm kind of wondering why on earth isn't this corrected since years |
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| 21:15.37 | nkuttler | bunny69: i see. never tried this.. |
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| 21:15.54 | nkuttler | maybe another reason why tmux is gaining traction |
| 21:16.08 | WinstonSmith | bunny69: http://dbadump.blogspot.com/2009/04/start-screen-after-sudo-su-to-another.html |
| 21:16.17 | bunny69 | WinstonSmith just one last question... is that script stuff going back to normal after relog? i mean i don't want to null the output forever on that account.. |
| 21:16.35 | bunny69 | thank you, reading up |
| 21:17.13 | Vasistha | oy, interwebz are having trouble this morning |
| 21:17.29 | nkuttler | Vasistha: only for yous |
| 21:17.43 | Vasistha | good to know, good to know |
| 21:17.59 | bunny69 | a morning? |
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| 21:18.06 | bunny69 | are you down there? :) |
| 21:18.16 | bunny69 | down uder even ;) |
| 21:18.20 | bunny69 | under* (lol) |
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| 21:26.16 | bunny69 | WinstonSmith i return with yet another solution :) |
| 21:26.30 | bunny69 | just chmod 666 /dev/pts/x :) |
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| 21:27.08 | WinstonSmith | well that's linux for you. always more than one way to do it |
| 21:27.17 | WinstonSmith | remember to change the perms back |
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| 21:28.08 | bunny69 | yup |
| 21:28.25 | bunny69 | basically i still can't understand why script /dev/null works |
| 21:28.37 | bunny69 | it doesn't have much to do with permissions.. does it? |
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| 21:32.24 | WinstonSmith | it opens a new pts with the correct perms |
| 21:32.46 | ironcamel | the first comment in that article has a nice solution :acladd root |
| 21:33.03 | ironcamel | or addacl |
| 21:33.12 | WinstonSmith | just do a su user -; ls -al /dev/pts*; script /dev/null; ls -al /dev/pts*; and compare |
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| 21:33.36 | kd123 | Hello |
| 21:34.28 | kd123 | I have multiply wired network pci cards... How do I tell which pci slot is assigned to which eth interface? |
| 21:34.34 | bunny69 | WinstonSmith yup will do that in a sec |
| 21:34.37 | kd123 | edit: multiple |
| 21:34.39 | bunny69 | i just want to know how that works :) |
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| 21:34.53 | WinstonSmith | man script ;) |
| 21:35.07 | bunny69 | never heard of it before thus very confused :) |
| 21:35.22 | WinstonSmith | heh all i ever used it for was this problem |
| 21:36.29 | bunny69 | WinstonSmith i just compared... see no difference in permissions |
| 21:36.43 | bunny69 | or hm |
| 21:36.52 | bunny69 | oh i get it |
| 21:36.56 | WinstonSmith | \o/ |
| 21:36.58 | bunny69 | it's about the user |
| 21:37.08 | bunny69 | it added a new pts with that sued user |
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| 21:37.15 | WinstonSmith | exactly |
| 21:37.18 | bunny69 | which makes it legit for me to access its screens... |
| 21:37.20 | bunny69 | sneaky :) |
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| 21:37.41 | bunny69 | do i need to stop script somehow once i'm done with screen session? |
| 21:38.08 | WinstonSmith | better than messing with the perms of an existing pts IMHO. plus when you exit that screen it disappears, no need to change perms back |
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| 21:38.31 | bunny69 | yes |
| 21:38.41 | bunny69 | and it just nicely terminated once i typed exit... |
| 21:38.44 | bunny69 | very sweet |
| 21:38.46 | WinstonSmith | bunny69: you have to "exit" twice |
| 21:38.49 | bunny69 | right |
| 21:38.56 | WinstonSmith | once for script & once for screen |
| 21:39.00 | bunny69 | yes indeed |
| 21:39.48 | bunny69 | so damn nice, thanks a million again |
| 21:40.05 | WinstonSmith | yw :) |
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| 21:40.50 | WinstonSmith | kd123: lspci maybe, although i have to admit i have no idea how you translate the output to slot number/location |
| 21:42.03 | gray-- | kd123: all the same make? |
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| 21:42.53 | guest100000 | lspci and udev rules |
| 21:43.19 | guest100000 | example |
| 21:43.21 | guest100000 | # PCI device 0x8086:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.0/0000:02:00.0 (e1000e) |
| 21:43.23 | guest100000 | SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:15:58:c8:da:4e", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0" |
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| 21:43.39 | guest100000 | # cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 21:43.41 | kd123 | WinstonSmith, ok thanks for the tip |
| 21:44.04 | kd123 | gray--, well one is integrated into the mobo and the other two are the same make... all three are intel nics |
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| 21:45.44 | gray-- | without removing one, seeing which mac remains, for example, i'm probably not qualified enough to help |
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| 21:54.38 | kd123 | guest100000 and gray--, thanks for the help |
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| 21:56.23 | kd123 | guest100000, cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules doesn't tell me the pci slot... it says: |
| 21:56.45 | kd123 | # PCI device 0x8086:0x100e (e1000) |
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| 21:57.05 | kd123 | and |
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| 21:57.14 | kd123 | well it just lists that twice |
| 21:57.49 | gray-- | sure the mac address doesn't change? |
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| 21:58.24 | kd123 | gray--, oh good idea... look at the macs that are listed and compare them to the cards |
| 21:58.27 | kd123 | :P |
| 21:58.36 | kd123 | ok thank you |
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| 21:59.34 | guest100000 | kd123: this is in relation with ethX you have to find real utp :))) |
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| 22:00.53 | kd123 | guest100000, utp? utp cable? |
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| 22:02.18 | guest100000 | your question: which pci slot is assigned to which eth interface? |
| 22:02.59 | kd123 | yes |
| 22:04.15 | valdyn | unplug , watch dmesg, repeat |
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| 22:05.12 | kd123 | valdyn, unplug my cable and watch dmesg? |
| 22:05.31 | valdyn | kd123: yes |
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| 22:06.06 | kd123 | valdyn, ok thank you |
| 22:06.33 | kd123 | ok so I have all of these eths statically set to ips |
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| 22:07.29 | kd123 | I want to temporarily connect one static eth to another static eth (on a separate computer), so the first eth can share the internet of the second computer |
| 22:08.03 | gray-- | aren't these wireless? or did i imagine that? |
| 22:08.05 | kd123 | I know the command 'sudo iptables --table net --append POSTROUTING --out-interface wlan0 -j MASQUERADE' |
| 22:08.15 | kd123 | gray--, no wired |
| 22:08.25 | gray-- | oh, that's fairly easy then |
| 22:08.33 | gray-- | remove all cabls |
| 22:08.35 | gray-- | cables |
| 22:09.01 | gray-- | run tcpdump on an interface, plug the cable into a physical interface, see which interface comes up and sees traffic |
| 22:09.04 | gray-- | rinse and repear |
| 22:09.07 | gray-- | repeat |
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| 22:09.19 | kd123 | so I run that command on the computer that's sharing it's connection... and I also change '/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' to '1' on the computer with internet |
| 22:09.20 | valdyn | just unplugging is a little easier.. |
| 22:09.53 | valdyn | kd123: "the computer with internet" = "the computer that's sharing it's connction" |
| 22:09.56 | kd123 | gray-- ok that's good to know thanks... so tcpdump and dmesg |
| 22:10.03 | kd123 | valdyn, yes |
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| 22:10.24 | valdyn | kd123: why --table net? |
| 22:10.37 | kd123 | but... both eths on each computer are statically set |
| 22:10.37 | gray-- | tcpdump'll be the one, i use that on solaris fairly regularly to identify which eth id which |
| 22:11.03 | kd123 | valdyn, umm.... I'm not sure why '--table net'... but I've used the command before and its worked |
| 22:11.12 | kd123 | gray--, ok |
| 22:12.02 | valdyn | !ipmasq |
| 22:12.02 | dpkg | Network Address Translation (NAT) modifies IP address information in packet headers during transit across a router. IP masquerading is a form of NAT. Install the <iptables> package, then read http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ and http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/ for more information. Related Debian packages include <arno-iptables-firewall>, <ferm>, iptables-persistent. |
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| 22:12.43 | kd123 | I guess since the eths are statically set on both computers... they don't automatically connect via DHCP right? |
| 22:13.00 | valdyn | kd123: the table is "nat", not "net" |
| 22:13.24 | kd123 | valdyn, oh right... sorry typo |
| 22:13.42 | kd123 | but I do need the '--table nat' option right? |
| 22:13.45 | valdyn | kd123: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE, but thats a security liability |
| 22:13.54 | valdyn | kd123: yea |
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| 22:14.01 | kd123 | valdyn, ok |
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| 22:14.41 | mashed | valdyn: how is it a liability - just interested as i use that config. |
| 22:14.53 | kd123 | valdyn, i didn't think that command exposed the computers attached to it? what's the security liability? |
| 22:15.27 | mashed | kd123: it shouldn't that's the point of nat. |
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| 22:15.50 | valdyn | kd123: it makes your lan accessible from outside |
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| 22:15.57 | kd123 | mashed, yeah that's what I thought |
| 22:16.28 | kd123 | hmm.... is there a way to prevent that? |
| 22:16.33 | valdyn | kd123: since neither source nor dest are limited it masks internet -> lan just the same as lan->internet |
| 22:16.59 | kd123 | ah I see |
| 22:17.08 | mashed | oh i see, you need so specify an in and out interface |
| 22:17.20 | mashed | valdyn: is correct |
| 22:17.27 | kd123 | so --out-interface wlan0 would work |
| 22:17.28 | valdyn | mashed: or a source |
| 22:17.41 | kd123 | ok |
| 22:18.06 | valdyn | kd123: -s 192.168.0.0/24 obviously cannot originate from the internet |
| 22:19.29 | kd123 | valdyn, ah ok and the source '-s' would be the local ip of the computer not giving the internet connection, but receiving it, right? |
| 22:19.35 | valdyn | kd123: when you specify only --out-interface, then the internet can use you as anonymizer |
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| 22:20.33 | valdyn | kd123: -s specifies the subnet that is allowed to share your connection |
| 22:20.56 | kd123 | valdyn, ok... how's it use you as an anonymizer? |
| 22:21.27 | mashed | valdyn: not quite, it's in the postrouting chain. the packets have to be routable to be anonymised. |
| 22:21.38 | valdyn | kd123: I add you as a router |
| 22:21.43 | valdyn | kd123: as a gateway |
| 22:21.54 | valdyn | mashed: they are routable? |
| 22:22.02 | kd123 | ah i see |
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| 22:22.48 | mashed | for example in my chains I specify prerouting rules. if they do not match then it will never get to the postrouting chain. |
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| 22:23.12 | valdyn | mashed: ok, sure you can have additional rules preventing that |
| 22:23.46 | mashed | valdyn: but it is a valid point, i should make the rule more specific |
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| 22:24.17 | valdyn | i just assume shorewall does this correctly for me |
| 22:24.27 | kd123 | so, I have these two statically set eth devices on two separate computers... I connect them with a cable... how do I get them to connect to each other without changing one to use dhcp? |
| 22:24.59 | valdyn | kd123: set a matching static ip and netmask and gateway |
| 22:25.34 | kd123 | valdyn, so they'd both have to have the exact same ip, netmask and gateway? |
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| 22:25.47 | valdyn | kd123: no, matching, not same |
| 22:25.54 | mashed | kd123: if your using iptables ensure you have this rule: |
| 22:26.05 | valdyn | kd123: both ips have to be in the same subnet |
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| 22:26.30 | valdyn | kd123: ( actually theres other ways, but same subnet is probably the easiest solution ) |
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| 22:26.31 | mashed | -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp ! --tcp-flags FIN,SYN,RST,ACK SYN -m state --state NEW -m comment --comment "Its a hack, drop it" -j DROP |
| 22:26.52 | jhutchins_wk | kd123: you need a crossover cable if there's no switch involved. |
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| 22:26.56 | kd123 | valdyn, could you please give me an example of matching ip, netmask and gateway? I'm confused |
| 22:27.11 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: i think his nics will do that for him |
| 22:27.28 | kd123 | there's no switch |
| 22:27.30 | guest100000 | mashed: valdyn: where i can read about this topic of networking - routable IPs...i can't understand this for а long time ago... |
| 22:27.31 | kd123 | I' |
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| 22:27.59 | valdyn | kd123: 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 is in the same subnet as 192.168.1.22 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 22:27.59 | kd123 | mashed, ok thanks for the command |
| 22:28.22 | kd123 | valdyn: ok I see |
| 22:28.26 | FDFlock | jhutchins_wk, kd123 : Well, modern equipment usually supports "auto-sensing" so crossover or not shouldn't matter... |
| 22:28.30 | mashed | guest100000: in all honesty just do it. its not particularly hard. |
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| 22:28.36 | guest100000 | it is complicated i know |
| 22:28.37 | kd123 | and the gateway for both would be 192.168.1.255 right? |
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| 22:28.40 | valdyn | kd123: or everything that is masked needs to be identical |
| 22:28.47 | Big_Brother | who manages the terminator terminal program? |
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| 22:29.14 | FDFlock | Hmm, regarding [open]SSH: I've enabled it for a new account and while testing the key I'm getting the following (with -v) as an error message: "Roaming not allowed by server" |
| 22:29.22 | FDFlock | Then the SSH client attempts to use another key (which of course fails) - I suspect it would also try other auth method had they not been disabled. |
| 22:29.26 | valdyn | kd123: no, the gateway is in my example 192.168.1.22 or 192.168.1.1, depending on which one has internet access |
| 22:29.42 | valdyn | kd123: the default gateway, to be precise |
| 22:29.43 | FDFlock | File permissions are OK. Any ideas? |
| 22:29.45 | valdyn | guest100000: i dont really know |
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| 22:30.08 | valdyn | guest100000: its not insanely complicated really |
| 22:30.26 | guest100000 | mashed: valdyn: 10x :) |
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| 22:30.39 | kd123 | valdyn, ok thanks |
| 22:30.39 | jhutchins_lt | kd123: gateway would not matter for the two talking to each other on the same subnet. |
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| 22:30.50 | valdyn | right |
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| 22:31.50 | jhutchins_lt | guest100000: Check out the networking howto at http://tldp.org |
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| 22:35.31 | FDFlock | Any ideas regarding my question? (...And here I was saying that setting up SSH is so very easy!) |
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| 22:35.53 | iwantsee | hi to all! |
| 22:36.02 | FDFlock | hi |
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| 22:37.21 | valdyn | FDFlock: i dont know that error message, but i assume that your trying to connect from a different ip with the same host key |
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| 22:39.52 | kd123 | valdyn, ok so I set my one eth to address 192.168.0.1, netmask 255.255.255.0, gateway 192.168.0.254 and my other eth to address 192.168.0.22, netmask 255.255.255.0, gateway 255.255.255.0 |
| 22:40.06 | kd123 | edit last gateway to 192.168.0.254 |
| 22:40.13 | valdyn | kd123: no |
| 22:40.24 | valdyn | kd123: somehow i really confused you |
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| 22:40.38 | kd123 | valdyn... lol ok |
| 22:40.55 | valdyn | kd123: that computer that is sharing the internet connection is the acting gateway for the other |
| 22:40.58 | Diopter | Coming in late to this conversation, but are we talking about having two default gateways? Like, policy routing or load-balancing to multiple ISPs? |
| 22:41.03 | FDFlock | valdyn: Thx! I assume that's the most relevant message, because it's amongst lots of other "debug1" output (that seems normal). What do you mean exactly "the same host key"? I'm using machine A to connect to SSH server B and I've never had problems logging-in as many different users of B at the same time. |
| 22:41.11 | valdyn | Diopter: no, were at the most simple case |
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| 22:41.34 | kd123 | valdyn, ok |
| 22:41.35 | Diopter | Darn. I was getting excited at the chance to bust out the iproute2 funtimes |
| 22:41.35 | valdyn | kd123: you dont change the gateway settings on the acting gateway |
| 22:41.49 | Vasistha | any recommendations as to where to ask an icedove question? having trouble changing settings after my mail host changed their smtp login authentication requirements |
| 22:41.51 | zawapete | hi |
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| 22:42.25 | mashed | dpes anyone else use tmux? |
| 22:42.36 | mashed | it beats the crap out of screen |
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| 22:42.54 | FDFlock | shamelessly uses byobu! |
| 22:43.08 | kd123 | valdyn, ok so for the computer with the internet connection what would the proper gateway be? |
| 22:43.15 | FDFlock | Vasistha: hi, my Icedove seems also buggy but my problems are unrelated. |
| 22:43.31 | valdyn | kd123: you dont need to worry about that. It already has internet access, so it already must have the gateway configured properly |
| 22:43.36 | kd123 | valdyn... I'm simply trying to link to statically set eths together |
| 22:43.36 | FDFlock | Vasistha: Did you try the different settings in preferences? |
| 22:44.02 | NeonLevel | is there any way to install the original firefox and thunderbird, in debian testing ? |
| 22:44.08 | kd123 | right ok |
| 22:44.15 | FDFlock | NeonLevel: Not using the PMS |
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| 22:44.27 | FDFlock | NeonLevel: So, no |
| 22:44.30 | FDFlock | AFAIK |
| 22:44.31 | valdyn | kd123: the internet-less box needs a gateway, the gateway ip is simply the ip of the computer that has internet access |
| 22:44.47 | kd123 | valdyn, so I thought that since 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.22 are on the same subnet it would work |
| 22:44.49 | FDFlock | NeonLevel: I'd lve the "original" Fx And Tbird as well |
| 22:45.01 | Vasistha | FDFlock: I don't see any place to change e.g. smtp port and authentication method. If I create a new account it autodetects it, but I can't change the settings for an existing account |
| 22:45.17 | kd123 | ah ok |
| 22:45.21 | valdyn | kd123: when you set those 2 ips and assuming theres no conflict with preexisting subnets, then those 2 ips can reach each other |
| 22:45.24 | kd123 | so the gateway would be 192.168.0.1 (the address of the other computers eth) |
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| 22:45.27 | Diopter | kd123: The machine you're trying to route through (with the two interfaces) is acting as a router. The two interfaces are not bridged together, so being on the same subnet is irrelevant. |
| 22:45.33 | FDFlock | Vasistha: but I seem to recall these options, give me a minute... |
| 22:45.38 | kd123 | the gateway for 192.168.0.22 |
| 22:45.43 | valdyn | kd123: if "other" = the one with internet, yes |
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| 22:45.47 | Vasistha | FDFlock: I'm using 3.1.16 from backports |
| 22:46.23 | NeonLevel | FDFlock: what does pms mean ? |
| 22:46.28 | FDFlock | Vasistha: same here |
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| 22:46.47 | FDFlock | NeonLevel: Package Management System, apt-get for Debian |
| 22:47.04 | NeonLevel | FDFlock: got it |
| 22:47.12 | russel-athletic | hiho, where can i find info if a specific package updates will be in backports "soon"? |
| 22:47.13 | kd123 | valdyn, right ok thanks again |
| 22:47.13 | kd123 | let me try that |
| 22:47.26 | Diopter | kd123: Unless the internal machine (without internet)'s gateway is the inbetween machine (the one with two interfaces), when you try to route traffic it's going to to ARP for the upstream gateway (the .1), and the inbetween machine won't respond on its behalf |
| 22:47.31 | Diopter | (unless you have proxy-arp enabled) |
| 22:47.35 | NeonLevel | so there's no easy way to install firefox and thunderbird...!!, i wish someone made a deb |
| 22:47.55 | Diopter | kd123: So you need to hop through the inbetween machine, by using it's IP as the gateway for the internal machine. |
| 22:47.56 | guest100000 | jhutchins_lt: 10x |
| 22:48.01 | valdyn | Diopter: if kd123 could parse that, he wouldnt need to talk to me |
| 22:48.39 | kd123 | diopter and valdyn... I'm trying to grasp what he's saying :) |
| 22:48.42 | FDFlock | Vasistha: Go to "Account Settings..." -> outgoing (SMTP) --> choose the default one (or the 1 you are using) and select "Edit..." |
| 22:48.45 | Diopter | valdyn: I figured I'd start at the top and work down :P |
| 22:48.48 | Diopter | But fair enough |
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| 22:50.09 | FDFlock | Vasistha: for me it has the options "None" "STARTTLS" "SSL/TLS" for security and a few other s for authentication |
| 22:50.21 | FDFlock | s/other s/others/ |
| 22:50.49 | kd123 | valdyn, when I try to ping 192.168.0.1 from the computer without internet... it responds network unreachable |
| 22:51.15 | Diopter | kd123: Are you familiar with pastebin, or similar sites? |
| 22:51.27 | valdyn | kd123: paste us the output of "route -n" and "ifconfig -a" |
| 22:51.37 | kd123 | ok |
| 22:51.38 | valdyn | kd123: on both systems |
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| 22:51.44 | Diopter | I'd prefer "ip r" and "ip a" |
| 22:51.57 | Diopter | But in this case the more detailed information isn't relevant :P |
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| 22:53.38 | valdyn | thats indeed nicer |
| 22:53.48 | guk | hmm |
| 22:54.07 | valdyn | kd123: i have to bail.. |
| 22:54.14 | FDFlock | NeonLevel: There is a way though to install a much newer version of Iceweasel/Icedove... |
| 22:54.15 | kd123 | ok |
| 22:54.22 | kd123 | thanks for all the help valdyn |
| 22:54.46 | Diopter | I can help you more kd123 |
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| 22:55.07 | kd123 | ok thanks Diopter |
| 22:55.10 | Vasistha | FDFlock: well that sure did it, thank you! I hadn't managed to find that "outgoing (smtp)" section at the end of the very long list of accounts |
| 22:55.20 | kd123 | I'm working on pastebin |
| 22:56.08 | FDFlock | Vasistha: You're welcome! Yes, it was also confusing for me at first, but I'm been using it for years... thunderbird is a great email client. |
| 22:56.28 | FDFlock | s/i'm/I've/ |
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| 22:57.01 | Vasistha | FDFlock: it is, it is. What really sold me on it is that cached imap that actually works. I just wish they would get maildirs working already. There's been a request for it since like 2003 |
| 22:58.02 | zawapete | hi, i'm trying to find the gettext files used for openssl_0.9.8o-4squeeze7_amd64.deb from stable squeeze apt source |
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| 22:58.25 | zawapete | or also know if i've to worry for this: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/422ec53a/ |
| 22:58.27 | zawapete | :1 |
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| 23:00.10 | FDFlock | still didn't solve his small SSH problem. |
| 23:00.23 | zawapete | the strings i want to check (CheeseHouse and SomeWhereOverTheRaimbow) being from gettext is a guess. i can't find them in the openssl sources, anyway |
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| 23:00.54 | zawapete | FDFlock: which problem? |
| 23:01.19 | ^BARrE|^ | is there a user admin program for gnome? |
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| 23:01.34 | ^BARrE|^ | to administer my ssh clients |
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| 23:02.39 | FDFlock | Oh, I posted it perhaps 30 min ago... i created a new account, and while testing the brand-new RSA key, I'm getting "Roaming not allowed by server" and the client automatically switches to another key (that it doesn't work, of course) |
| 23:03.01 | FDFlock | s/that it/that/ |
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| 23:03.33 | Diopter | kd123: I'm not sure how this is that difficult. Type the commands, copy the output, paste into your browser at pastebin.com... |
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| 23:04.24 | FDFlock | zawapete: that's of course with -v (debug1) |
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| 23:06.51 | kd123 | Diopter, I have to type it in from the computer without internet :) |
| 23:07.00 | kd123 | I'm almost done |
| 23:07.01 | WinstonSmith | FDFlock: what does -vvv report? |
| 23:07.09 | zawapete | never got that message.. fdlock do you have sshd log on the server side? |
| 23:07.42 | dvs | kd123: or take a picture and post that/ |
| 23:09.06 | kd123 | dvs... yeah... that's a good idea... I'll have to remember that next time :P |
| 23:09.43 | kd123 | diopter, ok here it is http://pastebin.com/Fz9jBfxQ |
| 23:09.45 | kd123 | thanks again |
| 23:10.30 | FDFlock | WinstonSmith: Here's a paste from -v that might be helpful: http://pastebin.ca/2131675 |
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| 23:10.59 | FDFlock | WinstonSmith: If -vvv is needed tell me (I need a few minutes to change personal info) |
| 23:11.04 | Diopter | kd123: You don't have any IPs configured on the internal box. |
| 23:11.30 | Diopter | kd123: Which eth? interface is hooked to the same network as the first computer, with internet? |
| 23:11.42 | kd123 | diopter I set them in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:11.55 | WinstonSmith | FDFlock: yes -vvv would be helpful, also the sshd log |
| 23:11.55 | kd123 | eth0 on both computers are linked with a cable |
| 23:12.27 | FDFlock | WinstonSmith: Do you mean /val/log/auth.log? |
| 23:12.29 | zawapete | FDFlock: is the first rsa key picked by ssh the right one for the host? |
| 23:12.32 | Diopter | kd123: Setting it in the config file doesn't automatically apply it to the live interface |
| 23:12.32 | FDFlock | *var |
| 23:12.39 | FDFlock | zawapete: yes! |
| 23:12.42 | Diopter | kd123: Type 'ifup eth0' to apply what's in /etc/network/interfaces for eth0 |
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| 23:12.43 | zawapete | uhm.. |
| 23:12.45 | kd123 | diopter, I rebooted after I set it |
| 23:12.55 | zawapete | did you ssh-add'd the key? |
| 23:12.57 | Diopter | kd123: Then perhaps you set it wrong. Let's set it manually |
| 23:13.04 | kd123 | ok |
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| 23:13.23 | zawapete | ssh-add /home/my-user/.ssh/id_rsa |
| 23:13.33 | kd123 | this is what I put: auto eth0 |
| 23:13.35 | FDFlock | zawapete: no, what's this? I appended it to the user's authorized_keys manually |
| 23:13.41 | guest100000 | FDFlock: keys permissions? http://centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=30515&forum=42 |
| 23:13.41 | kd123 | iface eth0 inet static |
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| 23:13.48 | kd123 | address 192.168.0.22 |
| 23:13.49 | FDFlock | zawapete: but it should work |
| 23:13.53 | zawapete | you've to add the key to ssh-agent also |
| 23:13.53 | FDFlock | Permissins are ok |
| 23:13.56 | kd123 | netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 23:13.57 | FDFlock | *ssions |
| 23:14.02 | kd123 | gateway 192.168.0.1 |
| 23:14.16 | Diopter | kd123: Type "ip l s dev eth0 up", "ip a a dev eth0 192.168.0.22/24", "ip r a default via 192.168.0.1" on the internal box. |
| 23:14.35 | Diopter | kd123: Then if you type "ip a" and "ip r", you should see the address exists on eth0, and the default route via 192.168.0.1 |
| 23:14.35 | zawapete | if you have a sort of keychain with ssh-add auto import, you need to add it only once |
| 23:14.48 | WinstonSmith | FDFlock: yes auth.log. also you can set the LogLevel in sshd_config to VERBOSE to get more info |
| 23:14.51 | zawapete | otherwise every for every ssh-agente session |
| 23:15.09 | FDFlock | WinstonSmith: auth.log does not even contain the attempt! |
| 23:15.24 | kd123 | diopter.... something was misspelled in my /etc/network/interfaces file... |
| 23:15.26 | FDFlock | WinstonSmith: I guess I'll have to change the loglevel |
| 23:15.32 | WinstonSmith | also what zawapete said |
| 23:15.33 | kd123 | diopter... ok let me try that |
| 23:16.25 | WinstonSmith | FDFlock: and the ~/.ssh dir must be 700 and the authorized_keys 600 |
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| 23:16.53 | FDFlock | WinstonSmith, zawapete: Something like "cd ~/.ssh ; cat id_rsa.pub >> authorized_keys" should work though. That's what I was doing with the other accounts. |
| 23:16.58 | FDFlock | ...succesfully |
| 23:17.20 | Diopter | kd123: Once you've verified you have the IP and routes, ping the gateway: "ping 192.168.0.1". If it succeeds, try to ping the Other gateway: "ping 192.168.1.1" |
| 23:17.26 | FDFlock | (omg, sorry for all the horriblr typos) |
| 23:17.27 | WinstonSmith | likes ssh-copy-id evry much |
| 23:17.32 | FDFlock | *horrible! |
| 23:17.47 | WinstonSmith | hehe you made me do one too ;) |
| 23:17.49 | Diopter | kd123: If that works, you can probably hit the internet: "ping 8.8.8.8". And you'll have to setup your DNS on the internal box (/etc/resolv.conf) |
| 23:17.50 | WinstonSmith | erm make |
| 23:18.30 | kd123 | diopter... ok well I edited the mistake out of my /etc/network/interface file and ran 'ifup eth0' |
| 23:18.46 | kd123 | and now I can ping 192.168.0.1 |
| 23:18.54 | Diopter | kd123: If pinging the second gateway doesn't work, it's because you need IP forwarding on to route packets: "sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1" on the box you're routing through |
| 23:18.57 | kd123 | and 192.168.1.1 |
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| 23:19.24 | Diopter | kd123: And if pinging 8.8.8.8 doesn't work it's because you need masquerading on the second box's wlan0 interface: "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE" |
| 23:19.28 | WinstonSmith | FDFlock: did you look inside id_rsa.pub if the file is corrupted maybe? does it look like the id_rsa.pub from other users (apart from the different key of course) |
| 23:19.35 | Diopter | That should solve all of your potential problems :) |
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| 23:19.48 | WinstonSmith | yawns |
| 23:19.51 | kd123 | diopter, yes I changed the /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward file to 1 not 0 |
| 23:20.07 | Diopter | kd123: To get it to apply on boot you'll want to edit /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 23:20.35 | mashed | kd123: that setting does not persist over reboots. so are you sure its set properly? |
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| 23:20.49 | kd123 | diopter... ah ok |
| 23:20.56 | kd123 | mashed... yes I've been having to edit it every reboot |
| 23:21.00 | zawapete | i'm quite worried. do anyone know where openssl get the prompting message for x509 csr? |
| 23:21.02 | kd123 | :P |
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| 23:21.23 | mashed | zawapete: elaborate please |
| 23:21.31 | FDFlock | WinstonSmith: id_rsa.pub looks ok. Also ssh-copy-id seems interesting, but I have password auth disabled |
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| 23:21.43 | FDFlock | yawns as well |
| 23:21.45 | zawapete | mashed: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/422ec53a/ |
| 23:21.48 | kd123 | I can ping 8.8.8.8 successfully too |
| 23:21.54 | Diopter | kd123: Were you able to ping 8.8.8.8 without setting up the masquerading? |
| 23:22.03 | mashed | FDFlock: check to make sure that there is not a new line after the final '-' |
| 23:22.18 | zawapete | from a dedicated server i have. i put a vm locally and set the same apt sources from the server |
| 23:22.25 | WinstonSmith | FDFlock: any news in auth.log? also you could enable pass auth just to copy the key... |
| 23:22.30 | Diopter | Cool, then your upstream router apparently knows how to get back to 192.168.0.0/24, so you don't need to masquerade. Or it's already setup for some reason :P |
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| 23:22.38 | fishsponge_ | hey people - anyone here use BOINC on debian? If so, do you know if it is in its own "sandbox"? i.e. it cannot browse the hard drive, try to SSH into other server on the LAN etc...? |
| 23:22.46 | mashed | zawapete: what's the problem |
| 23:22.53 | kd123 | diopter, no I already ran the masquerading command on the computer that's sharing its connection before pinging 8.8.8.8 |
| 23:23.02 | FDFlock | mashed: It's ok. |
| 23:23.09 | Diopter | kd123: Ah. Well you're going to have to save that so it persists on reboots as well. |
| 23:23.17 | zawapete | i did a openssl reinstall and i got the usual prompt message: Locality name etc |
| 23:23.29 | kd123 | diopter, where do I save that to? /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 23:23.30 | Diopter | kd123: You can do it in a number of ways, but the very easiest for just a single iptables rule is to throw that whole command into /etc/rc.local |
| 23:23.35 | kd123 | or is that only for name servers |
| 23:23.41 | mashed | FDFlock: ensure the permissions are 400 |
| 23:23.42 | Diopter | kd123: resolv.conf is for nameservers only |
| 23:23.49 | kd123 | ok |
| 23:24.07 | zawapete | mashed, suspicious one: State or Province Name (full name) [SomeWhereOverTheRaimbow] and CheeseHouse [] |
| 23:24.26 | aguitel | anyway to run gnome 2.x in wheezy ? |
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| 23:24.28 | FDFlock | WinstonSmith: Yeah, I'll change the loglevel first, so I need a few minutes (reloading SSH is always scary, when the machine is isolated 1000 miles away) |
| 23:24.30 | mashed | zawapete: oh that's just the defaults in openssl.cf |
| 23:24.44 | Diopter | kd123: If you throw the "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE" into /etc/rc.local, right before the "exit 0", you should be set. |
| 23:24.47 | FDFlock | mashed: Permissions are ok! (1st thing I checked) |
| 23:24.59 | WinstonSmith | FDFlock: may start another sshd on another port to make sure you don't lock yourself out... |
| 23:25.06 | Diopter | kd123: There's a more robust way to save rules but it requires creating files and more work, so until/unless you need a lot more rules, this will suffice |
| 23:25.07 | WinstonSmith | s/may/maybe/ |
| 23:25.08 | zawapete | they should be: State or Province Name (full name) [Some-State] andLocality Name (eg, city) [] |
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| 23:25.20 | zawapete | ok, i'll check that then |
| 23:25.22 | zawapete | thanks |
| 23:25.32 | mashed | FDFlock in that case im missing the problem - what are the symptoms? |
| 23:25.35 | kd123 | diopter, ah ok |
| 23:25.53 | kd123 | diopter and mashed thanks again for your help... it's working great |
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| 23:26.02 | FDFlock | mashed: http://pastebin.ca/2131675 (refuses to use provided key) |
| 23:26.20 | WinstonSmith | zawapete: /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf <= do you mean this? |
| 23:26.23 | dvs | kd123: reboot to make sure |
| 23:26.40 | mashed | debug1: PEM_read_PrivateKey failed |
| 23:26.46 | Diopter | Indeed, reboot both machines |
| 23:26.49 | mashed | debug1: read PEM private key done: type <unknown> these lines strike me |
| 23:26.56 | FDFlock | WinstonSmith: I hadn't even thought of that! But "/etc/init.d/ssh reload" should be safe right? |
| 23:27.16 | FDFlock | is trying it |
| 23:27.16 | zawapete | WinstonSmith: lol |
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| 23:27.45 | mick_laptop | anyone know how to troubleshoot a broken gnome-terminal? it just sits there (no cursor, no prompt - just a black screen). I moved the .bashrc (so it could generate a new one) and I started it from an xterm (to see if any errors were showing up- nothing) |
| 23:27.47 | zawapete | i totally forgot i indeed put those strings there |
| 23:27.53 | WinstonSmith | FDFlock: well existing connections should not be interrupted but if you happen to close that particular ssh session you're doomed if you misconfigured |
| 23:27.53 | FDFlock | mashed: Good catch! Maybe that's why sshd is not even logging it |
| 23:27.53 | kd123 | diopter and dvs.... ok thank... will my /etc/resolv.conf file persist? |
| 23:28.05 | zawapete | i forgot about that conf file at all |
| 23:28.19 | Diopter | kd123: Yes. |
| 23:28.24 | mick_laptop | also, how can I set my audio to default to mono |
| 23:28.28 | Diopter | kd123: As will /etc/rc.local and /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 23:28.43 | FDFlock | Are there any bugs where ssh-keygen generates invaid keys? |
| 23:28.48 | FDFlock | *invalid |
| 23:28.55 | mick_laptop | FDFlock: not that I've seen |
| 23:29.00 | mashed | FDFlock: not afaik |
| 23:29.14 | mick_laptop | ssh-keygen -t rsa ? |
| 23:29.16 | kd123 | diopter, ok thanks |
| 23:29.36 | WinstonSmith | FDFlock: do you have id_rsa in .ssh ? |
| 23:29.46 | mashed | FDFlock try ssh-keygen -f .ssh/id_rsa -y |
| 23:29.54 | mashed | do you get a public key output? |
| 23:29.56 | ix | Is there any way to limit IPv6 access on an application basis (for instance via a wrapper application)? |
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| 23:30.19 | mashed | ix: not a port by port basis? |
| 23:30.42 | Diopter | ix: Ugh. No resurrecting tcp wrappers! |
| 23:31.09 | WinstonSmith | zombie wrappers!!! |
| 23:31.13 | bla | -m owner probably |
| 23:31.21 | bla | (iptables_ |
| 23:31.31 | ryanhiebert | To anyone who know tcpdump: |
| 23:31.40 | mick_laptop | FDFlock: when you scp the id_rsa.pub to you@yourhost:/.ssh/authorized_keys and you chmod the keys to (say, 700 - you can do down to 400 iirc), can you ssh -vvvv you@yourhost and tell us what happens |
| 23:31.49 | FDFlock | mick_laptop, WinstonSmith, mashed : OK, that's totally weird! I changed the loglevel (to DEBUG), reloaded sshd, and retried to connect in order to observe the log file on the server. Well, guess what... |
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| 23:31.53 | FDFlock | ...it worked as expected! |
| 23:31.54 | Diopter | bla: Does ip6tables have an owner module? |
| 23:31.55 | FDFlock | That's crazy |
| 23:32.00 | bla | Diopter, no idea. |
| 23:32.05 | zawapete | FDFlock: dummy question, if you just press enter on password prompt? |
| 23:32.22 | zawapete | it's a passwordless key, isn't it? |
| 23:32.39 | WinstonSmith | passwordless keys don't have a prompt |
| 23:32.43 | mick_laptop | "it worked as expected"... "that's crazy"... ummm ya :-/ |
| 23:32.45 | FDFlock | it had a passphrase bt I changed it to empty |
| 23:32.56 | mashed | ryanhiebert: what's the question |
| 23:33.17 | ryanhiebert | I'm trying to get dhcp replies with tcpdump, but I can't get the filter to work correctly. I'm trying to filter src 67 packets only, but its failing. There definitely are dhcp replies, because they show up if i don't have any filter and grep for "Reply" |
| 23:33.26 | Diopter | Yep. it does |
| 23:33.43 | zawapete | WinstonSmith: i saw that happens on some host. |
| 23:33.49 | ryanhiebert | any clue what I'm doing wrong |
| 23:33.52 | Diopter | Unfortunately, it's only valid in output/postrouting |
| 23:34.04 | Diopter | ryanhiebert: What's your commandline? |
| 23:34.10 | FDFlock | mick_laptop, WinstonSmith, mashed : I mean, I could log in just fine with the provided key. It seems that sshd needed reloading! |
| 23:34.28 | ryanhiebert | $ tcpdump -r dump.cap -n -e src port 67 |
| 23:34.28 | WinstonSmith | zawapete: maybe a case as FDFlock's, where the passwd got removed later? |
| 23:34.43 | Diopter | ryanhiebert: Also, you probably want udp ports 67 AND 68. |
| 23:34.49 | FDFlock | WinstonSmith: No, I didn't press enter |
| 23:34.52 | zawapete | WinstonSmith: idk, but it's quite usual on osx |
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| 23:35.03 | Diopter | ryanhiebert: Try "port 67 or port 68" |
| 23:35.05 | ryanhiebert | no, just one way 67>68. I just want the replies |
| 23:35.07 | FDFlock | It just worked. |
| 23:35.11 | mick_laptop | ya, was going to say, 67 or 68 |
| 23:35.12 | WinstonSmith | zawapete: ah no idea about OSX here. |
| 23:35.13 | ix | mashed: nope :), Diopter: :(, bla I'll just tell him that, so he'll be distracted until he forgets who he asked. Thanks! |
| 23:35.33 | ryanhiebert | if i do 67 or 68, it gives me the requests, but not the replys |
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| 23:35.43 | mick_laptop | yay, I can answer everyone else's questions |
| 23:35.46 | Diopter | ryanhiebert: Did you take off the 'src' part? |
| 23:36.09 | ryanhiebert | if i take off src it gives me requests, but not replys |
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| 23:36.32 | ryanhiebert | i tested this on my debian box tcpdump, and my mac |
| 23:36.47 | ryanhiebert | i can share the dump |
| 23:37.50 | guest100000 | i know man, who had a rear case: two instances of openssh servers v1 and v2...their keys are in different formats...big mess :)) |
| 23:38.02 | mashed | ryanhiebert: I don't use it in depth but when I do i dont really go more complicated that `tcpdump -i eth1 host w.x.y.z` |
| 23:38.11 | fishsponge_ | i'm currently running "debootstrap squeeze /squeeze-chroot http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian" - is there anything else I need to do before I can "go in" to this chroot and just run stuff there? |
| 23:38.20 | mick_laptop | ok, screw it I'm using konsole :-/ |
| 23:38.36 | FDFlock | The real question now, even though the problem was solved, is why it happened... Was it a bug?! (this is OpenSSH on Debian Stable, it's crazy.) |
| 23:38.57 | Diopter | I use it in depth, but.. sec |
| 23:39.50 | mick_laptop | FDFlock: try a new key to see if you can reproduce |
| 23:39.50 | Neonlajt | Have anyone been able to use a intel X520 (ixgbe, 82599EB ) with debian squeeze? Can I just compile the newest driver? The ixgbe driver default in squeeze does not support my current card. |
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| 23:40.07 | mick_laptop | FDFlock: I'd say ignore it, probably a non-issue |
| 23:40.25 | WinstonSmith | it's probably a feature ;) |
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| 23:41.25 | Diopter | ryanhiebert: Try "tcpdump -r dump.cap -pnev port bootps or port bootpc" |
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| 23:42.00 | FDFlock | WinstonSmith: Yeah, a feature, the OpenSSH devs (or the Debian maintainers) should just market it as an extra flag, like "ssh --start-irc-discussion -2 user@sdfsdf.net [...]" |
| 23:42.18 | WinstonSmith | haha :) |
| 23:42.19 | FDFlock | :) |
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| 23:42.57 | WinstonSmith | well /me is off to bed, got up very early this morning. a nice weekend to everybody! |
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| 23:43.19 | FDFlock | same here, going to bed, thank you gor helping me! |
| 23:43.26 | FDFlock | *for |
| 23:43.29 | mick_laptop | Neonlajt: open bug afaik |
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| 23:43.48 | WinstonSmith | i wasn't the only one, but you're very welcome |
| 23:43.53 | WinstonSmith | & |
| 23:43.56 | mick_laptop | dpkg: tell Neonlajt about ixgbe |
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| 23:44.05 | Neonlajt | mick_laptop: So it won't be supported until wheezy? |
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| 23:44.33 | Neonlajt | mick_laptop: Must be a patch or something that will enable the nic. |
| 23:44.36 | mick_laptop | Neonlajt: not sure, I think it was fixed upstream though |
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| 23:44.41 | ryanhiebert | Diopter: gives me the Requests, but not the replies (I removed the -v so I could grep it easier) |
| 23:44.51 | FDFlock | yeah, thanks WinstonSmith, mashed, zawapete, mick_laptop for your support! |
| 23:44.59 | mick_laptop | Neonlajt: this for an install, or after the fact? |
| 23:45.10 | mashed | ryanhiebert you need to use host not src or dst |
| 23:45.11 | FDFlock | loves this channel |
| 23:45.11 | FDFlock | goes to bed as well |
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| 23:45.36 | Neonlajt | mick_laptop: after |
| 23:45.41 | ryanhiebert | mashed: i'm using this to find rogue dhcp servers, so I don't know the host |
| 23:45.42 | mashed | FDFlock: you're welcome |
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| 23:46.11 | mashed | ryanhiebert: i see |
| 23:46.13 | mashed | 1 sec |
| 23:46.17 | Diopter | ryanhiebert: Oh. Wait. Are you issuing the requests from the box you're dumping in? |
| 23:46.38 | ryanhiebert | yes, but the its pre-captured |
| 23:46.45 | ryanhiebert | also tried it on another box too |
| 23:46.45 | zawapete | guest100000 "know man, who had a rear case: two instances of openssh servers v1 and v2...their keys are in different formats...big mess :))" |
| 23:47.11 | Diopter | ryanhiebert: So you're saying you can see the replies in the capture when you replay it, but can't find the right filter for it |
| 23:47.22 | Diopter | ryanhiebert: Go ahead and put the dump somewhere I suppose |
| 23:47.22 | ryanhiebert | right |
| 23:47.26 | ryanhiebert | ok |
| 23:47.27 | Diopter | Would be the easiest to find your problem |
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| 23:47.43 | mick_laptop | Neonlajt: a newer kernel would make it work |
| 23:47.44 | zawapete | the best thing happened to me two days ago: git client must use its own ssh client, one that can't recognize RequestTTY option on my .ssh/config |
| 23:48.50 | mashed | ryanhiebert: tcpdump port 67? |
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| 23:48.59 | guest100000 | zawapete: client v1 on server side two instances - v1 and v2...the guy is starting server v2.... half day headackes :D |
| 23:49.01 | zawapete | tough time to solve it |
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| 23:49.23 | mick_laptop | Neonlajt: I'd probably use a backport |
| 23:49.47 | mick_laptop | Neonlajt: linux-base (3.4~bpo60+1) [backports] |
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| 23:50.06 | ryanhiebert | mashed: just requests |
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| 23:50.16 | erego | Hi |
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| 23:50.22 | mick_laptop | erego: hi |
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| 23:50.43 | mashed | ryanhiebert: tcpdump port 67 and port 68 |
| 23:51.19 | erego | Hey, does a basic install have the complete Debian docs? |
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| 23:51.28 | erego | I have scouted through /doc but to no avail |
| 23:51.43 | mashed | erego: what are you looking for/ |
| 23:52.29 | ryanhiebert | file is at http://ryanhiebert.com/dump.cap |
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| 23:52.51 | Diopter | Forbidden. Change the perms |
| 23:52.55 | erego | I'd like info on managing kernel modules... I did a generic install from a netbook, and have since moved the hd to a desktop... |
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| 23:53.11 | erego | I'd like to load the ethernet drivers as such... |
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| 23:53.35 | erego | I know about the man pages... However which? |
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| 23:53.52 | mashed | man modprobe? |
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| 23:54.32 | erego | I know how modprobe works, how about a list of all of the modules i have... |
| 23:54.44 | ryanhiebert | Diopter: its working for me. Can you try it with a wget? |
| 23:54.44 | mashed | erego: lsmod |
| 23:54.53 | erego | How do I find the right one exactly... You know query the hardware, and figure the module. |
| 23:55.03 | erego | lspci? |
| 23:55.50 | mick_laptop | mashed: I thought modprobe was supposed to now replace lsmod/rmmod |
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| 23:56.28 | ParkerR | There go them nets |
| 23:56.32 | mick_laptop | erego: ya |
| 23:56.56 | erego | So I should be able to go home and figure this from the man pages? |
| 23:56.57 | mashed | mick_laptop: that may be the case. People don't tell me these things :p |
| 23:56.59 | erego | Merci freinds. |
| 23:57.08 | erego | Which is it, mick_laptop |
| 23:57.11 | mashed | I have no other friends in he industry |
| 23:57.19 | Diopter | ryanhiebert: I did try it with wget. |
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| 23:57.26 | ryanhiebert | hmm. |
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| 23:57.43 | erego | modprobe does it all now? |
| 23:57.48 | ryanhiebert | its working from 3 different machines for me |
| 23:57.50 | erego | modprobe + lspci? |
| 23:58.25 | erego | Let's say i get '02:04.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9/0/1 Ethernet Pro 100 (rev 08)' how do I know which module? |
| 23:58.32 | boudiccas | ,versions winff |
| 23:58.34 | judd | Package: winff on i386 -- squeeze: 1.3.0-1; sid: 1.4.2-2; wheezy: 1.4.2-2 |
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| 23:59.03 | Diopter | erego: That's most likely e100 |
| 23:59.18 | mashed | erego: Diopter: deffo |
| 23:59.20 | erego | Diopter: not exactly mine, just form wikipedia... |
| 23:59.24 | guest100000 | erego: check line Kernel driver in use: iwl3945 |
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| 23:59.35 | guest100000 | witch lspci -vvv |
| 23:59.43 | guest100000 | with* |
| 23:59.59 | erego | I'm on a computer 2 blocks from the one I want to do this on. As you should know I have no net access :/ |