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| 00:00.42 | polyurethane | valdyn, |
| 00:00.51 | polyurethane | can I set my MX records to googles? will it affect my server/domain? |
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| 00:00.59 | oscurochu | would i then have a usable system that i can chroot and boot into (assuming grub is setup)? |
| 00:03.28 | oscurochu | which command should i use? 1) mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/host; or 2) mount -o bind /dev/sda2 /mnt/host ? |
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| 00:21.05 | iridos | osc.. |
| 00:21.11 | iridos | well, he seemed rather confused |
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| 00:21.47 | iridos | perhaps a good time for him to leave irc and read some documentation |
| 00:21.50 | iridos | like on mount |
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| 00:26.53 | zzing | When aptitude says Current status: 2 updates [-110]. What does that mean after doing a safe-upgrade? I understand -110 being the 110 it installed, but not sure what it means about the 2 it talks about. |
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| 00:37.23 | iridos | dpkg, factinfo wheeze |
| 00:37.23 | dpkg | wheeze -- created by sney <~sney@d161-184-222-109.abhsia.telus.net> at Sat Jul 16 01:58:48 2011 (245 days); last modified at Sat Jul 16 03:27:56 2011 by gsimmons!~gsimmons@chmmr.gsimmons.org; it has been requested 8 times, last by epicfail, 47m 22s ago. |
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| 00:47.21 | rubidious | Is anyone else getting regular mail about lacking suhosin shared lib? |
| 00:47.36 | rubidious | PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20100525/suhosin.so' |
| 00:47.54 | rubidious | just updated today (unstable) |
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| 00:49.08 | axo | is there a version of the debian install media that includes non-free drivers (intel wifi 5100)? |
| 00:51.26 | themill | !firmware images |
| 00:51.27 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 00:51.43 | themill | axo: note that you can't install using WPA with the current versions of the installer |
| 00:52.02 | axo | ty |
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| 00:53.43 | themill | wonders why rubidious is using something other than squeeze for a server |
| 00:55.16 | zzing | thinks others might want to run a server on the edge of a cliff. |
| 00:56.00 | rubidious | perhaps I'm not running a server |
| 00:56.04 | rubidious | but desire php |
| 00:56.13 | themill | rubidious: suhosin was recently split off into a separate package; you'll need to read the documentation that comes with the php* packages |
| 00:57.01 | rubidious | any idea why cron would be mailing me aobut it? |
| 00:57.02 | rubidious | about* |
| 00:57.16 | rubidious | I don't run any php scripts in cron, nor anything dependent on php |
| 00:59.22 | rubidious | I may need to adjust my php.ini, but I can't think of a reason anything is checking my php configuration every few minutes |
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| 01:00.48 | themill | by "every few minutes" do you mean "every 30 minutes"? |
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| 01:01.53 | rubidious | yes |
| 01:02.01 | rubidious | sorry, didn't check the exact time before |
| 01:02.15 | PSR_B1057 | Hep needed with 2 graphic card on laptop-Intel and ati radeonhd |
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| 01:03.34 | themill | rubidious: /etc/cron.d/php5 is a cron job that uses php |
| 01:03.55 | rubidious | why did I not check cron.d |
| 01:03.58 | rubidious | fail |
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| 01:04.47 | rubidious | oh it's the garbagecollection script |
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| 01:08.10 | useless-eater | hi, do I need to install some extras to have icons in thunar? |
| 01:09.10 | rubidious | themill: I think the issue is that suhosin.ini was not removed from the php5 conf.d dir.. but this may have been my choice during apt upgrade to 'keep my old config' |
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| 01:20.25 | fas3r | Hello |
| 01:20.38 | fas3r | is it possible to install debien from busybox ? |
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| 01:21.37 | fas3r | i tried several time to install debian on my eeepc but it seems that there is a problem taht he cant find a medium containing a live file system... |
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| 01:23.48 | Lint | what application I can use to view PS files? |
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| 01:26.14 | zzing | Lint: I think evince does it, or the old standby ghostscript. |
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| 01:27.00 | Lint | isn't evince bundled with gaynome? |
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| 01:28.01 | sheep | yes, but you don't need all of gnome for it |
| 01:28.14 | sheep | I think epdfview can view PS files too |
| 01:29.04 | Lint | let's see |
| 01:29.29 | fas3r | oki |
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| 01:43.01 | Tomasu | I tracked down what I think is the cause of one of my boxes not booting. update-initramfs uses modprobe to scan deps for the kernel, and modprobe seems to only be checking the current kernel, even though --set-version is being passed properly |
| 01:43.24 | Tomasu | when I try it myself, modprobe returns ahci and its deps as "builtin" which is correct for the booted kernel, but not for the one its supposed to be checking |
| 01:47.16 | JCDenton | Oh joy, I try and reinstall Apache2 with libapache2-php5 and it says it can't find the module php5 |
| 01:47.49 | JCDenton | Okay, now it's installed |
| 01:47.56 | JCDenton | But it's still prompting me to download php files. |
| 01:47.58 | JCDenton | ...... |
| 01:48.28 | JCDenton | This is becoming extremely tedious |
| 01:49.44 | JCDenton | Great |
| 01:49.48 | JCDenton | So everything is broken then! |
| 01:49.52 | JCDenton | Fun fun fun!! |
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| 01:53.02 | thms_ | Hello here. I installed a VPN client, everything runs well BUT I would like to use the VPN to access the internet instead my own connection |
| 01:53.12 | thms_ | I got the tun0 interface problem is it is somehow still using my |
| 01:53.14 | thms_ | own connexion |
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| 01:54.15 | kripz | how do i specify /dev/null as rsuyncs output file |
| 01:55.47 | JCDenton | Oh, and now I can't reinstall Apache because mpm-worker is installed but it's not actually installed apt just thinks it's installed even though apt says it's not installed |
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| 02:00.15 | themill | JCDenton: how does apt think it's installed when it's not? (also, check your php downloading problem with curl or wget or GET and not with your browser. browsers lie) |
| 02:00.50 | JCDenton | themill: Apparently it didn't, but I couldn't install it until I "left it uninstalled" |
| 02:00.57 | JCDenton | I have no clue what that was about. |
| 02:01.21 | JCDenton | I got it to work after purging everything and re-installing.. again |
| 02:01.32 | themill | if that was supposed to help explain your situation, it didn't. |
| 02:02.07 | JCDenton | aptitude was saying there was a dependency conflict, and in order to resolve it, I had to leave apache2-mpm-worker "Not Installed" |
| 02:02.57 | JCDenton | The following actions will resolve these dependencies: Keep the following packages at their current version: |
| 02:02.57 | JCDenton | 1) apache2-mpm-worker [Not Installed] |
| 02:04.28 | themill | we'd need to see the entire output along with the command you gave to have any hope of working this out, but if you've already fixed it, it's also not worth doing so... |
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| 02:05.44 | JCDenton | I did, it was just odd. |
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| 02:37.23 | Danielss89 | Hi. what would i change to, for example get something other that "trsssn123.tld" in "Received: from domain.tld (trsssn123.tld. [IP])" <-- thats a mail header. I have changed the machine hostname |
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| 02:48.30 | blami | Danielss89: received: header is appended by each smtp server in message delivery chain |
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| 03:24.00 | changeclothes | sup |
| 03:24.11 | kba | dawg |
| 03:24.37 | changeclothes | whatsgoin on |
| 03:25.04 | changeclothes | whats good in the world of debian |
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| 03:26.51 | crazygir | hello! |
| 03:27.04 | changeclothes | whats up |
| 03:27.50 | crazygir | I am having difficulty playing a relatively recently (11/2011) released DVD, getting the following error from any app that tries to access through the same library: resindvdsrc.c(1098): rsn_dvdsrc_step (): /GstPlayBin2:play/GstURIDecodeBin:uridecodebin1/RsnDvdBin:source/resinDvdSrc:dvdsrc: |
| 03:28.11 | crazygir | often with a popup: ** Message: Error: Could not read from resource. |
| 03:28.22 | changeclothes | what media player youuse |
| 03:28.41 | changeclothes | are u gdk or kde |
| 03:28.54 | crazygir | gnome |
| 03:29.02 | changeclothes | aight |
| 03:29.07 | crazygir | but it is about the dvd reading lib |
| 03:29.12 | crazygir | not the player |
| 03:29.16 | changeclothes | oh |
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| 03:29.46 | changeclothes | other dvds play though? |
| 03:29.55 | crazygir | i don't have any to test |
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| 03:30.02 | crazygir | though I have used this dvd in a mac |
| 03:30.14 | changeclothes | what dvd drive you use |
| 03:30.51 | crazygir | it works fine for data dvds |
| 03:31.00 | changeclothes | ok |
| 03:31.20 | crazygir | the issue is most likely reading/decrypting the newer disc or codecs / etc |
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| 03:32.47 | changeclothes | so |
| 03:32.52 | changeclothes | get new drivers |
| 03:33.17 | changeclothes | i mean codec |
| 03:33.18 | changeclothes | s |
| 03:33.38 | tonybaba | My mouse often sends a double-click when I click. Is there a way to increase the MINIMUM time between two clicks to send a double-click signal ? |
| 03:34.12 | crazygir | tonybaba: are you using a desktop environment like gnom e / kde? |
| 03:34.21 | tonybaba | openbox, crazygir |
| 03:34.39 | crazygir | you'll probably need to do that in the openbox conifg |
| 03:34.42 | crazygir | *config |
| 03:34.46 | crazygir | else in xorg |
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| 03:37.58 | tonybaba | crazygir: in openbox config, I believe I can chance the MAX double click time, not the MIN. I will look online on how to do this in xorg, if possible. |
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| 03:40.08 | thinkerbell | I want to add a new partition, I have one hard disk, /dev/sda, and I made three partitions during installation, /, swap, and /home, / got named /dev/sda1 and /home got named /dev/sda6, why did 2-5 get skipped, but anyway, when I create a new on with the last of the space using cfdisk, it get created /dev/sda7, and then I write the table and everything seems fine, but then when I try to run mkfs.ext3, it says "Could not stat /deev/sda7 |
| 03:40.08 | thinkerbell | "? |
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| 03:41.06 | nowhereFast | i would like to grow an ext4 partition |
| 03:41.31 | nowhereFast | this partition resides on the same virtual disk as the /boot partition |
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| 03:41.55 | nowhereFast | could i use resize2fs to do this without breaking anything? |
| 03:42.43 | nowhereFast | thinkerbell... could not sat /deev? |
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| 03:42.58 | thinkerbell | could not stat /dev/sda7 |
| 03:44.42 | nowhereFast | wht does fdisk -l say about sda7? |
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| 03:46.27 | thinkerbell | fdisk -l /dev/sda7 says nothing, but when I do fdisk -l /dev/sda, it shows /dev/sda7 33191 38913 45967169 83 Linux |
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| 03:58.23 | MightyTravis | Hello |
| 03:58.43 | phorce1_home | ok, I've got a cute one. I have a machine that keyboard/mouse don't work until AFTER the kernel loads. That means no switching to single-user in grub. And, the network isn't set up so I can't ssh in. And it has a problem with gdm that completely craps out even text consoles. |
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| 03:59.14 | phorce1_home | Any way to break out of the init process before gdm3 starts? |
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| 04:02.45 | Rusty1 | phorce1_home: i might boot a live cd and muck about with the init scripts |
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| 04:03.31 | darkelfjuggalo1 | I have a couple of Questions for my own future Reference... im hoping to open a Computer lab soon for the public, and with the computers I want to get and all I needed to to run in general...Most Importantly, when Configuring a wired and seperate wireless network, is it possible to have a single computer that is the Parent Computer to both networks at one time... |
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| 04:04.23 | phorce1_home | Rusty1: I'm digging for one now but may have left them at the office. The keyboard/mouse thing is new. I have to hope my boot order is set with he HD last if I find one. |
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| 04:06.20 | phorce1_home | Rusty1: (see note about brain dead me leaving spare stuff at office when coming home) |
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| 04:09.26 | darkelfjuggalo1 | Is there a way, in linux, to set a computer as a primary to a network to issue temporary login information to other computers on the system [ex: I input into the parent computer to allow passcode '500134856' to log in on any computer for time interval of 60 minutes] |
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| 04:15.29 | urbanmonk | darkelfjuggalo1: maybe kerberos is what your looking for? ... never set it up but it looks like it provides a way to authenticate users for specific services |
| 04:15.31 | Resilience | I have problems setting up he sensors output, I cannot detect any sensor chip in my board, and I cannot find anything on gogoel about my system, the computer is the sony vaio laptop model VPC-EC2S1e, and debian version is testing, any sugerences anyone? |
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| 04:16.05 | Rusty1 | darkelfjuggalo1: look at dnsmasq, google the fog project, maybe between the two you can rig something |
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| 04:20.16 | darkelfjuggalo1 | Thank you both, urbanmonk ans Rusty1. Rusty1: is this to my 1st or 2nd question, i can tell monk's is my 2nd question |
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| 04:26.01 | Irma_Weldon | Irma |
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| 04:31.29 | dekatch | hi, should i ask in #linux general or can someone tell me if there is foobar2000 somewhere for debian? www.foobar2000.org |
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| 04:32.22 | Irma_Weldon | have you ever wanted to buy a bra for yourself, but just haven't had the time, confidence, courage, or money? Bras can be worn by men too, and we are the answer for you. We can fit you into a bra(or bras) just for you for your wearing pleasure. At Victoria's Secret IRC we offer many styles of bras for all purposes and sizes. Never go out without a bra again. Join #victoria'ssecret for more info. |
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| 04:37.41 | darkelfjuggalo1 | Whil this is on my mind... I want to get an 'All in one' computer, which includes a Touch Screen Monitor... Might Debian have Touch Screen Drivers in squeeze, or will i need special drivers to use the touch screen capability |
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| 04:43.17 | Irma_Weldon | have you ever wanted to buy a bra for yourself, but just haven't had the time, confidence, courage, or money? Bras can be worn by men too, and we are the answer for you. We can fit you into a bra(or bras) just for you for your wearing pleasure. At Victoria's Secret IRC we offer many styles of bras for all purposes and sizes. Never go out without a bra again. Join #victoria'ssecret for more info. |
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| 04:45.45 | Arafangion | dax: You should put a ban reason of: "We heard you the first time" or something. :) |
| 04:46.44 | Resilience | reason "we don't need any bra's"? XD |
| 04:47.41 | Arafangion | Resilience: Lets not start THAT discussion! |
| 04:51.03 | Resilience | Arafangion, erh trying to be funny only... no pun intended |
| 04:53.07 | Arafangion | Resilience: You know... Explainations *always* destroy any joke. |
| 04:54.24 | Resilience | Arafangion, I did not understand your tone.. I thoguht you were recriminating me... |
| 04:55.15 | Arafangion | Resilience: I meant several things, one of which was indeed recrimination. ;) |
| 04:55.44 | Resilience | Arafangion, that's why I explained I was only trying to be funny, nothing else |
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| 04:56.23 | Arafangion | Resilience: I think we're done. :) |
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| 04:56.31 | optraz | how to check if my disk is dying? |
| 04:57.15 | Arafangion | optraz: Install windows. If it isn't dead then, then it certainly is in the process of dying. :) |
| 04:57.43 | Arafangion | optraz: Why are you worried, though? |
| 04:57.59 | optraz | well, i copy files, and it stop halfway |
| 04:58.01 | optraz | with unknown error |
| 04:58.08 | Resilience | optraz, I think you can start by checking something in /var/log, there lots of logs there... check for errors, syslog and files like that |
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| 04:58.21 | Resilience | mmm certainly it is dying ;D |
| 04:58.32 | Arafangion | No, an 'unknown error' could be many things. |
| 05:01.18 | somiaj | optraz: you could try smartctl (part of smartmontools) and this will ask the drive if it thinks it is bad. |
| 05:01.20 | Resilience | overheating? |
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| 05:03.53 | thinkerbell | If I have one drive, and three partition plus some empty space, like /, swap, and /home, and then some empty space at the end of the disk, do i have to use gparted live cd to partition it because it seems so since, my disk is locked when I try to do it using mkfs.ext3 |
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| 05:06.28 | optraz | somiaj: SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED |
| 05:06.38 | optraz | somiaj: anything else from smartctl that i can check the disk health? |
| 05:06.40 | somiaj | optraz: some drives can preform self tests |
| 05:06.51 | Arafangion | Most do. |
| 05:07.08 | Arafangion | optraz: Just ensure that you have working daily backups... And forget about it. |
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| 05:08.21 | somiaj | smartctl -c /dev/sda (that should tell you if you can do the short self-test and the extended self-test along with the amount of time it takes to run it) |
| 05:08.48 | thinkerbell | if I am mounted on /dev/sda1, and a swap on /dev/sda, and /dev/sda6, can I still run cfdisk and partition the any empty space on the disk, or do I need to use live gparted cd? |
| 05:08.59 | somiaj | the smartctl -t short (or long) /dev/sda will run the test if you want to do furter testing with teh SMART tools |
| 05:09.37 | somiaj | thinkerbell: what swap on /dev/sda -- did you leave out the partition number |
| 05:10.00 | optraz | somiaj: ooppss.. i just ran a long test, but where can i get log for this long test? apparently it goes to the background doing test |
| 05:10.28 | thinkerbell | swap is on /dev/hda5 |
| 05:10.30 | somiaj | thinkerbell: if you just want to add a new partition on the empty non-partiationed space you shouldn't need manage the partition table from a live cd, but it is still nice to be safe. |
| 05:10.51 | somiaj | if you leave your mounted and root partition alone. |
| 05:11.20 | thinkerbell | It says the enclosing drive for the volume is locked |
| 05:11.22 | somiaj | optraz: sudo smartctl -l selftest /dev/sda (it just gives you the results, it won't tell you the estimated time left) |
| 05:11.59 | somiaj | thinkerbell: well if the parttions numbers get renamed cause of adding a new partition that could mess up your mount points and cause problems. I'd just use a livecd to be safe. |
| 05:13.28 | thinkerbell | I think I am gonna have to a whole new re-install |
| 05:13.41 | optraz | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/6QmnVrCA |
| 05:13.46 | somiaj | thinkerbell: why is that, what is the problem? |
| 05:13.48 | optraz | somiaj: can you tell if the disk is in OK state? |
| 05:15.00 | thinkerbell | I can't partition the empty space, I tried to burn a live cd, but I got error, I will try again, and if that fails, maybe the live usb, except it says you can use unetbootin, but I don't see a gparted live option there, actually, aha, gparted live is actually debian live, so that's what I'll chose |
| 05:15.45 | somiaj | optraz: looks like your fears are justified. that test is reporting the drive had a read failure error, might just be a few bad blocks. This is a normal drive (not a ssd) right? |
| 05:16.38 | optraz | somiaj: yes, normal sata disk (not ssd drive). do you mean my harddisk now has bad sector (that is unrecoverable) ? |
| 05:17.00 | somiaj | optraz: http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/badblockhowto.html (I don't have any experience but that page tries to descibe what you could do to see if it is recoverable) |
| 05:17.18 | Arafangion | optraz: Drives regularly have bad sectors... But teh drive firmware manages them so that you don't need to worry about them, but basically what happens is that the drive will simply avoid using them. |
| 05:17.51 | Arafangion | optraz: Unfortunately, the drive will eventually run out of space to deal with them, so you'll start seeing them. This means that by teh time you actually start seeing bad sectors, the drive is in a very bad state indeed. |
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| 05:18.53 | optraz | somiaj: time to get a new drive :) |
| 05:18.55 | somiaj | optraz: in the past when ever I see bad sectors I just replace the drive, but I haven't worked in tech for some years and don't have much experience with the SMART tools |
| 05:19.15 | somiaj | optraz: I never thought it was worth the risk. |
| 05:19.36 | Arafangion | How old is the drive? |
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| 05:19.54 | optraz | somiaj: okay, but that smartmon result i pasted in pastebin, the error read failure means that the hard disk fail to read it self? |
| 05:20.07 | optraz | Arafangion: no idea, it's been sometime, i ran 24/7 |
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| 05:21.14 | somiaj | optraz: the first thing you did was check the health status (That is major errors) the second thing was the long self test which actually starts to look for bad sectors (minor errors that as Arafangion once there is enough of them the drive is going down hill fast) |
| 05:22.12 | optraz | somiaj: okay, the first thing you did was check the health status (That is major errors) which i did this. |
| 05:22.16 | somiaj | optraz: the good news is you have most likely have plenty of time to backup all your data off the drive and install an os on the new one. |
| 05:22.24 | optraz | somiaj: the long self test, which it is currently performing. |
| 05:22.34 | somiaj | optraz: correct, and you failed long test already |
| 05:22.47 | Arafangion | Bad news is... The drive will simply get worse the more you use it. |
| 05:22.59 | optraz | somiaj: no, that disk is another disk not with os... (a fortunate in a unfortunate situation) , so i will get a disk soon. |
| 05:22.59 | Arafangion | So I'd personally stop the long self test, given that you already know what the result is. |
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| 05:24.31 | somiaj | optraz: ahh, either way, I would stop the test and either turn off that drive or remount it readonly for the period it takes you get the data off of it. It most likley won't fail so quickly you loose your data, but better safe than sorry. |
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| 05:25.29 | non | tem alguem ai |
| 05:25.39 | optraz | somiaj: how to stop the current disk? |
| 05:26.03 | optraz | somiaj: sorry , i was to meant that to turn off the long selftest to the disk |
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| 05:27.45 | somiaj | I don't know smartsctl tool that well, check the man page or google. Maybe someone more knowleable than me can give you the syntax |
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| 05:30.30 | blubberdiblub | hdparm is able to stop/shutdown the disk. or the /sys/ interface |
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| 05:30.50 | somiaj | blubberdiblub: this is stoping the smart tools self test. |
| 05:30.59 | blubberdiblub | oh, i see |
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| 05:32.07 | blubberdiblub | the -X option then |
| 05:32.34 | optraz | -X ? |
| 05:32.40 | somiaj | ah there it is -X, --abort |
| 05:32.48 | somiaj | optraz: smartsctl option |
| 05:32.49 | blubberdiblub | smartctl -X /dev/yourdevice |
| 05:33.07 | optraz | Sending command: "Abort SMART off-line mode self-test routine". |
| 05:33.12 | optraz | Self-testing aborted! |
| 05:33.30 | optraz | how to check *if* it really aborted? |
| 05:33.41 | blubberdiblub | with -c i think |
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| 05:34.02 | blubberdiblub | smartctl -c /dev/yourdevice |
| 05:34.19 | blubberdiblub | and look for "self-test execution status" |
| 05:34.39 | optraz | Self-test execution status: ( 121)The previous self-test completed having |
| 05:34.44 | optraz | the read element of the test failed. |
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| 05:35.04 | optraz | so that self test is *really* aborted? |
| 05:35.14 | somiaj | optraz: you can read and understand that yourself? It is just saying what we already told you. (: |
| 05:35.21 | blubberdiblub | ah, okay, then it was the wrong line to look for, sorry |
| 05:35.49 | optraz | sorry, im just worry as this disk contain many data |
| 05:35.55 | optraz | every help here ease my worry |
| 05:36.21 | optraz | ok, i will go and get a drive soon and remount this disk as readonly and copy every remaining data to the new disk. |
| 05:36.29 | somiaj | optraz: every seems fine, no errors. If you are really worried you can shutdown and turn the drive off until you have time to replace it. |
| 05:37.07 | somiaj | optraz: but remouting as readonly will limit ussage if you need the data before you get a new disk/space to backup the data. |
| 05:37.42 | optraz | somiaj: it is ummount now. |
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| 05:43.36 | optraz | UUID=<id> /mnt/backup ext4 ro 0 2 |
| 05:43.43 | optraz | somiaj: ok, remount as read only |
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| 05:45.28 | thinkerbell | I keep getting failed burn with xfburn, I searched for gnome-baker, but I am getting zero results, infact when I search "burner" xfburn is the only one that shows up. Isn't there any other burners available. Maybe my burner hardware is faulty |
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| 05:47.13 | rypervenche | thinkerbell: brasero is Gnome's default burner |
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| 05:49.19 | thinkerbell | rypervenche, oh yeah, gnone-baker is old new, thanks, I installed it, hopefully it works and the xfburn software is faulty not my burner hardware |
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| 05:55.00 | supaplex | gahhh.. may as well google what this is about in the control file. brb. Depends: ${misc:Depends}, ${python:Depends}, |
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| 06:08.51 | PSR_B1057 | Help with fglrx. Having intel and radeonhd on laptop |
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| 06:09.14 | SgrA | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=77272&p=425548#p425548 |
| 06:09.22 | SgrA | Anyone got any suggestions about this^ |
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| 06:31.27 | edboogie2011 | hey guys.. I need to setup a nameserver for my webservers.. i always forget how to do this.. do I just set up my BIND to 'create a master zone' for NS1.domain.com and add a "A" entry for my server's IP address? |
| 06:31.31 | edboogie2011 | is this how i do this? |
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| 06:40.54 | supaplex | this box is soooooooo screwed. |
| 06:41.26 | supaplex | I should call it "debian mutt" :p |
| 06:41.40 | edboogie2011 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:42.28 | supaplex | not ns1.domain.com but domain.com. @ = alias. |
| 06:42.43 | supaplex | @ in a ip.ip.ip.ip |
| 06:42.59 | edboogie2011 | like how do nameservers work? i know how a DNS server works.. but how does a DNS server get supaplex oh so do i need a Alias entry? |
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| 06:43.30 | supaplex | yeah. you're talking about a zone file, right? |
| 06:43.34 | edboogie2011 | yes |
| 06:43.48 | edboogie2011 | well i edit the zone files through webmin |
| 06:44.01 | supaplex | is that even maintained? :P |
| 06:44.06 | supaplex | ~webmin |
| 06:44.06 | apt | Web-based interface for system administration for Unix. URL: http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ |
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| 06:44.20 | edboogie2011 | but I just don't get how a nameserver gets its domain name assigned to it |
| 06:44.31 | edboogie2011 | its confusing |
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| 06:47.20 | streuner_ | !webmin |
| 06:47.20 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 06:48.29 | edboogie2011 | like my webserver's route for its domain... www.domain.com is described in the nameserver NS1.DOMAIN.COM... but how is domain.com getting nameservered, when NS1.DOMAIN.COM isn't zoned properly.. |
| 06:49.46 | edboogie2011 | is there a guide to setting up a new name server in debian with BIND? |
| 06:50.00 | supaplex | yeah. it's not debian specific really. |
| 06:50.09 | edboogie2011 | right thats cool |
| 06:50.14 | edboogie2011 | any guide/ |
| 06:50.49 | supaplex | http://wiki.debian.org/Bind9 |
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| 06:56.17 | edboogie2011 | Dijkstra doesn't deserve groupies.. he is just a regular guy.. chazelle is a much cooler algorithmist |
| 06:56.52 | edboogie2011 | the only tenured professor at princeton that listens to mostly gangster rap |
| 06:57.02 | supaplex | without dijkstra your interwebs would collapse. that and you'd be lost during navigation. |
| 06:57.14 | homes | equates groupies with STDs, so in terms of "deserve groups" probably thinks of things differently |
| 06:57.15 | edboogie2011 | thats true |
| 06:58.05 | edboogie2011 | we could have used another path finding algorithm.. not dikstras and live.. we could use A*.. |
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| 06:58.14 | edboogie2011 | so his algorithm is not critical to life |
| 06:58.28 | edboogie2011 | while chazelle's linear time triangulation is ground breaking |
| 06:58.40 | edboogie2011 | as well as his works on convex hullos |
| 06:58.42 | edboogie2011 | hulls* |
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| 07:00.28 | edboogie2011 | bernard chazelle > Edsgar Dijkstra |
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| 07:04.12 | ectospasm | those seem rather strong. |
| 07:04.21 | ectospasm | those words* |
| 07:05.46 | edboogie2011 | Bernard chazelle proved that an arbitrary set of points of a planar polygon can be triangulated in linear time... O(n) |
| 07:05.48 | edboogie2011 | that is dope |
| 07:07.00 | edboogie2011 | his algorithm can basicly triangulate a whole polygon in the same amount of time as reading the points in. |
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| 07:15.06 | supaplex | edboogie2011: all things being equal, ospf uses spf to find the least hops. with cost (or 1/speed 1/bandwidth) slower (even short) paths can be avoided in favor of others, even if multiple additional hops are on the path. |
| 07:15.17 | supaplex | does chazelle's take that into account too? |
| 07:16.19 | supaplex | eg, 3 1gig hops is better than 1 100mbit hop. |
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| 07:18.15 | edboogie2011 | yeah but aren't there like a million shortest path algorithms.. many being valid? |
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| 07:18.39 | edboogie2011 | Dijkstra and A* being two of the most famous |
| 07:18.42 | edboogie2011 | but many exist |
| 07:18.54 | edboogie2011 | there is only one linear time traingulation |
| 07:19.01 | edboogie2011 | triangulation |
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| 08:22.08 | qdb | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11774651#post11774651 cert8 db of firefox is changed |
| 08:22.41 | qdb | why do you think i post link to ubuntu forums ??? |
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| 08:23.09 | qdb | attachments in debian forum do not work and there is other os dicussion in ubuntu forums |
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| 08:43.31 | patricx | hi |
| 08:43.40 | qdb | hi |
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| 08:44.33 | patricx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:45.15 | patricx | my guess the cores of my processor are not detected |
| 08:45.20 | qdb | what do you think about changes in my cert8 db? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11774651#post11774651 |
| 08:45.41 | patricx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:45.46 | qdb | patricx, try ask in java channel, i think |
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| 08:46.02 | qdb | patricx, and in linux and in hardware... |
| 08:46.13 | As001 | Hello, I just tired to update from lenny to squeeze and during installing new udev I got error No space left on device(boot) during making update-initramfs. I then moved old kernel image in /home/ and did dpkg-reconfigure update and it says he did update-initramfs. Is it safe to reboot now ? (I have just ssh access to machine) |
| 08:46.22 | patricx | qdb |
| 08:46.30 | patricx | sorry? |
| 08:46.49 | As001 | (dpkg-reconfigure udev) |
| 08:46.54 | qdb | wait for answer here, also you can ask same question in other rooms, i think |
| 08:47.00 | qdb | patricx, ^ |
| 08:47.38 | patricx | there is noway to check the core are detected by OS? |
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| 08:49.11 | As001 | It is interesting that I could mv back old initrd-image from /home/ back to /boot after that like he has enough space now so I am confused. |
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| 08:50.01 | patricx | qdb please how to get an invitation on #java channel |
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| 08:51.51 | qdb | patricx, i do not see how, may be need to register? |
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| 08:52.49 | patricx | when i try to access the channel i'm said that i have to register first by getting an invitation |
| 08:53.39 | As001 | System did not complain after dpk-reconfigure udev like everything is ok but I don't dare to reboot. |
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| 08:56.45 | siyb | patricx: .. register with nickserv ... |
| 08:57.20 | patricx | is there a help for nickserv? |
| 08:57.29 | siyb | patricx: do you know how to use google? |
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| 08:57.46 | qdb | patricx, it is written in freenode.net |
| 08:57.46 | ashish | patricx: /msg nickserv help |
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| 11:01.13 | epicfail | how to get opengl support for wine? |
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| 11:02.16 | Arafangion | epicfail: I think you do that by using an NVidia chipset. |
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| 11:03.00 | Arafangion | Try asking them? |
| 11:03.06 | Arafangion | The wine guys, that is. |
| 11:03.33 | epicfail | Arafangion, i dont understand it... i have sound problems... how can that be connected to opengl anyway? |
| 11:04.03 | Arafangion | epicfail: I don't see any references to sound in your question. |
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| 11:16.10 | epicfail | i would like to have a perfect operating system plz :) |
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| 11:20.00 | Rug | Howdy all |
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| 11:31.31 | [adrian] | I can't find the package pan in sid - should be there http://packages.debian.org/sid/pan anyone else find it? |
| 11:32.00 | valdyn | judd: versions pan |
| 11:32.04 | judd | Package: pan on i386 -- lenny: 0.132-3.1; squeeze: 0.133-1.1 |
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| 11:34.01 | [adrian] | actuallu seems architectures amd64 and i386 are not there |
| 11:34.36 | farmer_web | 안녕하세요 ㅎ |
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| 11:41.52 | ^FrAgOlOnE^ | !list |
| 11:41.52 | dpkg | ^fragolone^: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 11:42.01 | jelly-home | [adrian]: it's been removed, and will have to be packaged anew, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=664123 |
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| 11:45.53 | verywiseman | when i mount nfs filesystem , the mount point uid become the uid of user who export the nfs filesystem , how can i let mount point uid's as it is? for example if user "fred" who has uid=1003 export directory by nfs , when user "bob" who has uid=1000 mount that exported directory to mount point , the mount point's uid number become 1003 rather 1000 , why? |
| 11:46.27 | nsadmin | uid of a mount point? |
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| 11:46.55 | nsadmin | oh, you mean the owner of that dir as exposed when the fs is mounted? |
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| 11:49.07 | nsadmin | how can a plain user export an nfs fs? I thought that was root only |
| 11:49.35 | As001 | Hello I made upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze and I can not run fancontrol it says "Not starting fancontrol; run pwmconfig first. ... (warning)." I started pwmconfig and then fancontrol but it shows me same warning. How can I check if fans are working or not ? |
| 11:50.17 | nsadmin | the ultimate test: are the fans turning |
| 11:50.56 | As001 | server is in other country so I can not make ultimate test |
| 11:51.34 | nsadmin | then staffperson at the datacenter can |
| 11:52.12 | jelly-home | in a noisy DC filled with thousands of fans, it can be a bit problematic to do that without opening the machine |
| 11:52.23 | As001 | so I cant check thet in Debian using some tool ? |
| 11:53.23 | nsadmin | insert a current meter that feeds a digital input in series with each fan |
| 11:53.38 | nsadmin | which would just tell you if current is flowing |
| 11:54.35 | jelly-home | there may be vendor-specific tools, As001. Eg. iLO remote management on HP Proliants shows state of the fans, temperatures, power supplies, HDDs |
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| 11:56.29 | As001 | iwhy is that warning "Not starting fancontrol; run pwmconfig first" |
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| 12:01.07 | epicfail | is there a support channel for debian gameing? |
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| 12:02.31 | nsadmin | I haven't heard of one |
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| 12:02.58 | Arafangion | Debian gamers don't usually require a support channel. |
| 12:03.07 | Arafangion | They're perfectly comfortable with their addiction. |
| 12:03.34 | nsadmin | you say that like it's a bad thing... |
| 12:03.37 | Arafangion | goes and gets a glass of dry sherry. |
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| 12:06.02 | bitHipy | somiaj: i switched to /etc/network/interfaces (as opposed to Network Manager). I no longer get a "localhost", and must run "ifup lo" after each bootup to get it. |
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| 12:06.24 | bitHipy | somiaj: is there a proper Debian way to get localhost on boot? |
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| 12:06.41 | nsadmin | then you might need auto lo |
| 12:06.47 | bitHipy | somiaj: i'd like to avoid just hacking in a script |
| 12:07.03 | bitHipy | nsadmin: it already is "auto" in the interfaces file |
| 12:07.05 | Arafangion | bitHipy: You do that as part of /etc/network/interfaces. |
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| 12:08.07 | nsadmin | then you should determine what happens that it doesn't start |
| 12:08.12 | bitHipy | i have: "auto lo\niface lo inet loopback" in /etc/network/interfaces already |
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| 12:08.41 | nsadmin | this information might be logged |
| 12:09.23 | bitHipy | i'll check the logs, but I'm thinking I need to remove it. Supposedly Network Manager automatically handles interfaces not defined in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:09.49 | thomaschaaf | is there a way to create a file for every network device? So that /etc/network/interfaces just links to files like /etc/network/interface/eth0, eth1 etc..? |
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| 12:10.29 | nsadmin | what is the purpose of these files? |
| 12:10.54 | epicfail | guys i have a alsa error it saies that i shall upgrade alsa_plugin to 1.0.24 is that stable? |
| 12:12.34 | bitHipy | nsadmin: logs show "Mar 18 11:09:43 localhost ntpd[5028]: Listening on interface lo, 127.0.0.1#123 Enabled" |
| 12:12.40 | bitHipy | seems correct |
| 12:13.17 | nsadmin | look at the output of ifconfig after this happens and before you ifup lo |
| 12:13.56 | nsadmin | perhaps, to keep all other factors unchanged, you may need to reboot |
| 12:14.18 | bitHipy | nsadmin: it's on boot that it happens. when I run ifconfig, there is simply no "lo" device listed |
| 12:14.19 | thomaschaaf | nsadmin: I want to build a simpler interface to setup the network adapters (very specific usecase) |
| 12:14.39 | thomaschaaf | but I want the changes to persist after a reboot else I'd just change them via cli |
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| 12:14.45 | nsadmin | ok, then right after, try ifconfig -a |
| 12:15.26 | nsadmin | thomaschaaf, in what way does /etc/network/interfaces not serve? |
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| 12:15.55 | lapsusbrutus | squeeze will never drop gnome2 right? |
| 12:16.27 | nsadmin | squeeze is released; releases totally freeze versions of everything |
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| 12:17.19 | lapsusbrutus | yeah ;) just to be sure, going to install a windows theme for a noob user that keeps getting virus :p |
| 12:17.49 | thomaschaaf | nsadmin: per default I want it to use dhcp. But if that fails I want the user to enter the ip which should be used (2 different interfaces). What I thought I'd do was create a file for each interface and generate that after the user enters the data. That way the next time he restarts the settings are still active |
| 12:18.44 | Arafangion | thomaschaaf: That'd be weird. If it fails, wouldn't it be better to simply assume you have no network, and to try again when you have hte cable plugged in, or perhaps, 5 minutes later if it already has a cable? |
| 12:19.12 | thomaschaaf | Arafangion: we have places where there is no dhcp |
| 12:19.28 | thomaschaaf | but you have to set your own up |
| 12:19.29 | thomaschaaf | ip |
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| 12:20.48 | nsadmin | how would you know which IP to use? |
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| 12:21.25 | thomaschaaf | they would tell me in an interface |
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| 12:24.06 | epicfail | how do i get the version of my alsa plugin? |
| 12:24.27 | thomaschaaf | nsadmin: I want to create something like this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5910/Jing/2012-03-18_1324.swf |
| 12:25.10 | bitHipy | nsadmin: found the problem. when I boot, localhost is there. But I almost always immediately bring up my tunnel, and lately i do that by running => "ifdown -a && ifup -v eth1=mytunnel" <- that kills my localhost |
| 12:25.37 | bitHipy | then I must manually run "ifup lo" |
| 12:25.54 | nsadmin | ahh, good job finding that |
| 12:26.33 | epicfail | how do i get the version of my alsa plugin? |
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| 12:27.10 | killfoo | anyone else has problems with wheezy and tzdata update? |
| 12:27.23 | bitHipy | nsadmin: so it seems i just need to add a "-a" to "ifup -v eth1=mytunnel" |
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| 12:28.09 | nsadmin | why do you ever need to bring down lo? |
| 12:28.53 | bitHipy | nsadmin: i don't really, but i need to redo eth1 |
| 12:29.23 | bitHipy | if I do not do a "ifdown -a" first, then ifup refuses to reload eth1 |
| 12:29.57 | bitHipy | it gives an error like eth1 already defined |
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| 12:30.26 | nsadmin | why? |
| 12:30.47 | bitHipy | hmm.. suppose I could just just do "ifdown eth1" first, instead of "ifdown -a" |
| 12:30.53 | nsadmin | oh, then the ifdown -a does not bring eth1? |
| 12:31.14 | bitHipy | nsadmin: ifdown -a brings down everything, as expected |
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| 12:31.40 | Arafangion | You could explicitly bring lo up, and mark it as not auto? |
| 12:31.56 | bitHipy | nsadmin: I have to bring down eth1 first, because ifup isn't smart enough to see that it needs to bring it down then up with the new config |
| 12:32.19 | nsadmin | perhaps a quick check of the man page for ifup and ifdown do when -a is used |
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| 12:32.53 | bitHipy | Arafangion: i could, but i'm not sure why I would do that. I always want a localhost (firefox won't even launch w/out it) |
| 12:32.54 | nsadmin | hmm, that was a syntax error :) |
| 12:33.34 | nsadmin | perhaps a quick check of the man page for ifup and ifdown to see what they do when -a is used |
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| 12:33.53 | nsadmin | there, that's a complete sentence now :) |
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| 12:34.46 | bitHipy | theoretically I should be able to do a "ifup -v eth1=mytunnel", and ifup should figure out that it needs to destroy the current eth1 config. Strangely, it does no check, and simply refuses to configure something that is configured |
| 12:35.09 | verywiseman | nsadmin, i am sorry for lating , i mean i want that uid of mount point don't change |
| 12:35.46 | bitHipy | nsadmin: "ifdown -a" means bring down /all/ interfaces, while "ifup -a" means only bring up auto interfaces |
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| 12:36.23 | nsadmin | bitHipy, hmm... perhaps that's a bug :) |
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| 12:36.56 | bitHipy | nsadmin: perhaps, but this is etch anyway, so nothing to report |
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| 12:38.07 | nsadmin | etch? hmm. why not upgrade that? (not saying the behavior when -a would change) |
| 12:39.38 | bitHipy | nsadmin: i'm torn, because squeeze has spontaneous kernal shutdowns about once per hour, yet etch is unsupported and i'm finding cases where my tools are no longer compatible with other peoples tools |
| 12:39.42 | thomaschaaf | how do I find out what version I am running of "interfaces"? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=159884 seems to have been fixed and is available in ubuntu. I was woundering if backports might have it |
| 12:40.04 | bitHipy | nsadmin: i might try wheezy |
| 12:40.33 | nsadmin | bitHipy, that would seem to be a local situation, not every machine running squeeze crashes |
| 12:40.42 | nsadmin | what about oldstable? |
| 12:41.03 | nsadmin | (I know why I'm not upgrading my etch) |
| 12:41.22 | bitHipy | nsadmin: i could try lenny, but I don't welcome the effort only to get something that is still old |
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| 12:41.48 | bitHipy | nsadmin: btw, this is a Thinkpad, so it's not really obscure hardware |
| 12:42.04 | nsadmin | does squeeze crash on all of your machines? |
| 12:42.14 | Eninem | winpad |
| 12:42.26 | bitHipy | nsadmin: i only have this thinkpad |
| 12:42.35 | Eninem | t42 or get out |
| 12:43.08 | nsadmin | :P not helpful or in service |
| 12:43.14 | ironm | bitHipy, hello. I use two ThinkPads (and don't have any issues with squeeze or wheezy). May I ask what kind of issue do you have? |
| 12:43.30 | Eninem | :) |
| 12:43.33 | bitHipy | ironm: i run the T61 |
| 12:43.40 | Eninem | bitHipy get out |
| 12:43.46 | Eninem | :P |
| 12:43.48 | ironm | me to bitHipy .. T61p |
| 12:44.10 | bitHipy | ironm: it does a shutdown.. not a kernal panic, but a full shutdown, all of the sudden |
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| 12:44.29 | Eninem | hardware issue? |
| 12:44.32 | bitHipy | ironm: it happened twice when I was running iceweasel, and once for gpg |
| 12:44.38 | Eninem | overheating |
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| 12:44.54 | Eninem | sounds like some protection is kicking in and shutting the machine down |
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| 12:45.20 | bitHipy | ironm: i don't think it's a T61p. In any case, it's the Thinkpad that came with Suse pre-installed from the factory |
| 12:45.27 | nsadmin | Eninem, good thought, which might be logged |
| 12:45.46 | Eninem | especially as they can be quite high load applications |
| 12:45.47 | ironm | bitHipy, what OS do you run on your T61p ? |
| 12:45.51 | bitHipy | etch has no problems if this kind though.. etch is rock solid |
| 12:45.58 | bitHipy | ironm: Etch |
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| 12:46.06 | Eninem | no doubt iceweasel with 50 tabs open all running youtube vids |
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| 12:46.24 | bitHipy | Eninem: i've never seen youtube work on Debian before |
| 12:46.24 | Eninem | and gpg processor intensive as well |
| 12:46.31 | Eninem | ? |
| 12:46.40 | Eninem | you havent tried hard enough :P |
| 12:46.44 | Eninem | trust me its there |
| 12:46.50 | Eninem | god i wish it wasnt |
| 12:46.51 | Eninem | ;) |
| 12:47.23 | Eninem | scourge of the interwebs |
| 12:47.42 | ironm | bitHipy, you could try to run debian live squeeze (just booting from an USB stick). It will not touch your HDD installation. Live image like e.g.: http://rsync.it-infrastrukturen.org/public-mariadb/binary-hybrid-squeeze-amd64-mariadb53-lxde.iso |
| 12:47.43 | Eninem | but yeah if its randomly shutting down i'd put it down to hardware issue |
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| 12:48.07 | ironm | and check if you still have such problems with your T61p in Live mode bitHipy |
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| 12:48.32 | bitHipy | ironm: could be interesting.. however, i didn't do a dirty install. I actually used a new HDD and did a netinst from scratch |
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| 12:49.01 | bitHipy | everything appeared to work, apart from the spontaneous shutdowns |
| 12:49.10 | ironm | bitHipy, there is also a README file .. how to put such binary hybrid iso image on an USB stick ... http://rsync.it-infrastrukturen.org/public-mariadb/README_MariaDB-live-images.txt |
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| 12:49.56 | bitHipy | ironm: that can be a pain.. but I have an RW disc to work with |
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| 12:50.27 | ironm | bitHipy, maybe your T61p has hardware problems .. (e.g. memory or something else). The quality of Lenovo Notebooks is not anymore so good as the qualtiy of ThinkPads from IBM |
| 12:50.38 | Eninem | like i said |
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| 12:50.40 | Eninem | t42 or nothing bro |
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| 12:50.43 | Eninem | ;) |
| 12:51.08 | bitHipy | ironm: well, if it has h/w issues, Etch handles them quite well |
| 12:51.12 | Eninem | am bored am gonna compile the latest kernel |
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| 12:51.54 | nsadmin | by yourself??! |
| 12:51.59 | Eninem | yes |
| 12:52.02 | Eninem | wish me luck |
| 12:52.05 | Eninem | lol |
| 12:52.10 | nsadmin | steals gcc |
| 12:52.19 | Eninem | i'm behind the times |
| 12:52.20 | bitHipy | i'm not as quick to blame hardware as others are. I'll fault device drivers before I fault the hardware |
| 12:52.22 | Eninem | 3.2.11 is out |
| 12:52.57 | bitHipy | the bad thing about linux is device drivers still run in the kernel space |
| 12:53.32 | nsadmin | then compare what device drivers are present, and compare to another machine of the same arch with the same drivers present |
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| 12:54.47 | bitHipy | you know some h/w components did not work at all on Etch. I had to compile my own hacked drivers in that case. It could be that Squeeze is recognizing this hardware for the first time |
| 12:55.02 | visof | hello, how can i know am i having Dvd writer or cd writer via software ? |
| 12:55.03 | bitHipy | and perhaps the driver that's automatically selected is bad |
| 12:55.34 | bitHipy | e.g. Etch could not recognize the SD card reader that's built in on the T61 |
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| 12:56.31 | bitHipy | the sound card was also broken in Etch.. had to hack some things to make it work |
| 12:56.43 | Eninem | visof what |
| 12:57.19 | visof | Eninem, how can i know about cd device information connected to my pc ? |
| 12:57.32 | bitHipy | lspci |
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| 12:58.27 | bitHipy | or not |
| 12:58.41 | bitHipy | lspci doesn't seem to show my dvd burner |
| 12:58.53 | movl | wodim --scanbus |
| 12:58.55 | phw | What is the easiest way to launch a process upon startup in a seperate tty without additional installs? |
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| 13:00.16 | bitHipy | wodim --devices found mine |
| 13:00.29 | movl | or that |
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| 13:00.42 | valdyn | !wayttd phw |
| 13:00.43 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, phw? |
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| 13:02.37 | phw | valdyn: i have a own written daemon that should run upon system startup (as root). It would be cool to have the program running on a terminal, just like the (default) 6 terminals. |
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| 13:03.21 | Whiskey | What package contain m_mysql.cpp? shuld be LibMySQL-Dev something |
| 13:03.26 | phw | using inittab it works but its output is just attached to the first console; |
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| 13:03.39 | valdyn | phw: so you gave the wrong tty in inittab |
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| 13:04.20 | corecode | hi |
| 13:04.23 | valdyn | phw: or none at all |
| 13:04.44 | corecode | is there a way to get a maintainer to update a package in debian? |
| 13:04.49 | phw | valdyn how can i "give it one"? |
| 13:04.53 | valdyn | phw: rundaemon > /dev/tty10 |
| 13:05.00 | phw | ah - i see |
| 13:05.14 | corecode | i'm the author of a small package, but the packager is reluctant to upgrade it, for almost 2 years |
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| 13:05.48 | phw | valdyn: How many tty are available? I want one without any login options, just its output |
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| 13:06.20 | valdyn | phw: by default 1-6 has getty for logins already |
| 13:06.29 | valdyn | phw: X will use the next free one |
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| 13:07.10 | phw | valdyn: okay, no problem, but how can I disable the login output on one of them so the output of the daemon is always visible? |
| 13:07.12 | valdyn | phw: theres a large number of ttyX, but i only know how to access those 12 you can access via your FX keys |
| 13:07.23 | qmr | Hey, could I get some feedback on this? I'm working on an intro to Unix course ... http://goo.gl/tStK2 |
| 13:07.48 | qmr | format is video lectures, slides, notes, 25 hrs or so of video |
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| 13:08.33 | phw | valdyn: ah - as soon as there is output in it, it works |
| 13:08.40 | phw | valdyn: thank you very much! |
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| 13:20.48 | Lint | qmr, also kernigan and pike already done a wonderful book about unix |
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| 13:21.17 | petemc | cuit: dont listen to Lint |
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| 13:21.32 | cuit | petemc: ithoughtitseemedshadey, why? |
| 13:22.13 | petemc | it wouldnt help, would make things worse |
| 13:22.36 | petemc | cuit: some packages need to have a mail transport agent installed |
| 13:23.15 | cuit | oh no im just getting rid of munin (monitoring tools) that didnt stop trying to start on boot when i removed it and some extra programs for setting up mail |
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| 13:26.46 | Lint | qmr, video ascii output? whom you're gonna impress with that childish junk? |
| 13:27.19 | Lint | qmr, again 'Linux distributions' again? |
| 13:27.42 | cuit | Did someone say GNU/Linux :D |
| 13:28.01 | Lint | qmr, DPKG in Unix? what do you smoking? |
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| 13:31.18 | nancy-- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:32.17 | project2501a | nancy--: i am sorry, your domain with vps? |
| 13:32.28 | project2501a | s/domain/domains/ even |
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| 13:33.35 | project2501a | what do you mean? |
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| 13:34.45 | nancy-- | project2501a, i have a .com domain. and a vps. how to host my site |
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| 13:35.35 | project2501a | nancy--: you set up a web server , presumably apache. you install all the prerequisites you need, in order to deploy your website. put it live |
| 13:35.41 | project2501a | debug if necessary |
| 13:35.47 | Woet | nancy--: you either put a lot of time and effort into learning Linux and how to set it up |
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| 13:35.55 | nancy-- | i have apache2 installed. what next |
| 13:35.55 | Woet | nancy--: or you buy a control panel like cPanel/directadmin and let them handle it for you |
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| 13:36.29 | project2501a | nancy--: you install all the prerequisites you need, in order to deploy your website |
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| 13:45.25 | An_Ony_Moose | what's up with the libboost packages' dependencies? |
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| 13:46.52 | ruif13 | hi, need help in lm-sensors doesn't detect rpm and cpu temperature |
| 13:46.57 | ruif13 | anyone can help? |
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| 13:47.41 | An_Ony_Moose | ruif13: did it previously? What hardware is this on? |
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| 13:48.12 | ruif13 | w83627ehf-isa-fff8 |
| 13:48.29 | ruif13 | is in the header of sensors command |
| 13:48.31 | ruif13 | i think |
| 13:49.25 | ruif13 | An_Ony_Moose: http://paste.debian.net/160192/ |
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| 14:00.03 | killfoo | im having the problem that i cannot install or uninstall any package because one package is broken. is there a way to still update my system? |
| 14:00.24 | An_Ony_Moose | killfoo: apt-get -f install |
| 14:01.04 | killfoo | An_Ony_Moose doesnt work either :( |
| 14:01.40 | An_Ony_Moose | killfoo: what's it say? |
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| 14:02.16 | killfoo | An_Ony_Moose: Package tzdata is not configured yet. |
| 14:02.28 | boudiccas | killfoo; what package is broken please? |
| 14:02.43 | An_Ony_Moose | dpkg --configure tzdata I think |
| 14:02.43 | dpkg | An_Ony_Moose: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 14:03.01 | killfoo | boudiccas as the error message says I assume tzdata |
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| 14:03.19 | An_Ony_Moose | killfoo: try dpkg --configure tzdata |
| 14:03.36 | killfoo | An_Ony_Moose this outputs: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 14:03.37 | boudiccas | killfoo; can you remove the package and then try reinstalling it? |
| 14:03.54 | killfoo | boudiccas no, it will remove X and a lot of other important libs |
| 14:04.17 | ironhalik | Hi guys - Anyone using dropbear for ssh? How can I make it autorestart when killed? Or kill connections? |
| 14:04.34 | Lint | killfoo, you need to investigate why configure script fails then |
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| 14:04.42 | killfoo | Lint how? |
| 14:04.55 | killfoo | Lint I did dpkg -D777 --configure tzdata |
| 14:04.57 | mi | hi all |
| 14:05.27 | Rydekull | killfoo: /var/lib/dpkg/info/tzdata.postinst |
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| 14:05.46 | killfoo | Lint, but it only says this: http://pastebin.com/UrBm889a |
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| 14:06.40 | killfoo | Rydekull ok i see this bash script - now I have to investigate manually by executing the commands in the terminal? |
| 14:07.03 | Lint | yes, make the script have echo on |
| 14:07.06 | cardiel | how can i set a vhost on irssi if im running dns server with own domain? |
| 14:07.32 | riot | uh. nice.. i just upgraded sid, now when i try to start cups, i get a segfault at c ip b750c1bd sp bfc6b920 error 4 in libcups.so.2 |
| 14:08.18 | nancy-- | Woet, hmm. i hope there are some free control pannels too? and will they install the packages automaticaly? |
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| 14:08.41 | Woet | nancy--: you got some free ones like virtualmin/webcp but I'm not familiar with them. |
| 14:08.43 | Rydekull | killfoo: well... If you just want it to get by it, so you can update stuff and get a newer version or whatever, simply edit it and put a exit in the start of the script. However, if you want to debug it, do a set -x |
| 14:08.47 | mi | since i updates a system from etch (via lenny) to squeeze, i cant receive mails anymore... im using postfix and cyrus and this error pops up in syslog: verify_user(user.info^domain^deretry) failed: Mailbox does not exist |
| 14:08.48 | Rydekull | killfoo: instead of exit |
| 14:08.54 | valdyn | cardiel: are you thinking that because you can have an apache vhost you can have one in irssi? |
| 14:08.55 | killfoo | Lint lol... this is strange. I commented : set -e. then I run dpkg -D777 --configure tzdata again to see the error. but there was no error - it was configures successfully |
| 14:09.18 | Rydekull | :-) |
| 14:09.20 | nancy-- | Woet, dont i need bind9 or vsftpd ? |
| 14:09.24 | mi | what i dont get is, that cyradm > lam user/info.domain.de is showing correct rights: lrswipcda |
| 14:09.27 | cardiel | valdyn, yes something like that. or isnt that possible? |
| 14:09.28 | Woet | nancy--: those systems install it for you. |
| 14:09.40 | nancy-- | Woet, ok. |
| 14:09.42 | killfoo | Rydekull, Lint I have no fucking clue why this solved the problem |
| 14:09.45 | nancy-- | what else do i need? |
| 14:09.51 | mi | so, the MB exists :( |
| 14:09.52 | Rydekull | killfoo: actually.. how is the first line of your /var/lib/dpkg/info/tzdata.postinst look like? |
| 14:09.56 | Woet | nancy--: do you want to learn linux or just get this going? |
| 14:10.08 | Rydekull | killfoo: im guessing it is "#! /bin/sh" and it should be "#!/bin/sh" |
| 14:10.09 | grand_grunt | Hi. Ati proprietary driver seems not to recognize my CRT screen on Debian Wheezy. It worked fine before I upgraded (from Lenny to Wheezy). The /var/log/Xorg.0.log has lines saying "fglrx(0): Cannot get EDID information for CRT1" |
| 14:10.19 | nancy-- | meanwhile ill learn automaticaly . i want to learn too wo |
| 14:10.20 | nancy-- | woet |
| 14:10.21 | useless-eater | got a wd2500 SE, and trying to install debian squeeze on it. Debian do not recognize the hd, and I have to choose from a long list of drivers, anyone know what to use? ide generic? |
| 14:10.22 | nsadmin | nancy--, ftpd? you're advised that original ftp carries passwords in plain text |
| 14:10.23 | killfoo | Rydekull: head -n1 /var/lib/dpkg/info/tzdata.postinst |
| 14:10.23 | killfoo | #! /bin/sh |
| 14:10.29 | killfoo | Rydekull: yes! |
| 14:10.33 | Rydekull | :-) |
| 14:10.33 | valdyn | cardiel: a forward name lookup is not the same as a reverse lookup. But beside that the vhost thing is also supported within the http protocol but not in irc |
| 14:10.37 | mi | i upgraded the DBs of cyrus using this command: "db4.7_recover -h . -e" |
| 14:10.41 | killfoo | Rydekull: why did you know that? common problem on debian? |
| 14:10.45 | grand_grunt | fglrx has been installed using "non-free" repository. How do I force fglrx to load ? |
| 14:10.52 | nancy-- | nsadmin, so i shouldnt use vsftpd |
| 14:10.53 | nancy-- | ? |
| 14:10.54 | Rydekull | killfoo: my file has the same error in it I just noticed :-) |
| 14:10.55 | Woet | nancy--: okay, then don't use webcp/cpanel/directadmin and read the guides |
| 14:11.01 | cardiel | valdyn, ok so i need to setup reverse dns on my dns server then? |
| 14:11.09 | nancy-- | Woet, what do i need then |
| 14:11.10 | Woet | nancy--: http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_debian_lamp_server |
| 14:11.11 | mi | i know, this is no debian problem, but i thought maybe someone could have a look at it :) |
| 14:11.13 | frostschutz | useless-eater: isn't it sata? |
| 14:11.16 | Woet | nancy--: read documentation, read manuals. |
| 14:11.21 | nancy-- | k |
| 14:11.29 | killfoo | Rydekull, but you where able to install it or did you receive the same error? |
| 14:11.36 | nancy-- | k |
| 14:11.42 | Rydekull | killfoo: havnt tried, I just noticed I had the same error in it |
| 14:11.51 | nsadmin | nancy--, you shouldn't use the original ftp protocol if you're not OK with passwords passed in plain text |
| 14:11.52 | valdyn | cardiel: first you need the owner of that ip to give you the authority to set the reverse lookup |
| 14:12.01 | useless-eater | frostschutz: no, old ide |
| 14:12.17 | useless-eater | but 250g, probably very expencive when new :p |
| 14:12.41 | cardiel | cardiel, ok, i have to try to contact them then, thanx |
| 14:12.50 | useless-eater | frostschutz: does not accept ide-generic :\ |
| 14:12.51 | killfoo | Rydekull so you didnt update your system yet? |
| 14:13.07 | Lint | are there some good serif fonts in Debian, suitable for books? |
| 14:13.19 | frostschutz | useless-eater: does it show up in the bios at all? master/slave jumper set correctly? |
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| 14:13.27 | boudiccas | Lint; define 'good' please? |
| 14:13.57 | nancy-- | nsadmin, i can use orignial with ssh? |
| 14:14.05 | valdyn | Lint: theres alot of books that use lmodern or similar |
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| 14:14.08 | frostschutz | useless-eater: ide drives should still work out of the box I think. can't verify, dont have ide anymore anywhere |
| 14:14.12 | nsadmin | goo: icky, chewey stuff... d: passing grade |
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| 14:14.16 | valdyn | Lint: but that is mostly scientific books |
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| 14:14.39 | Lint | if you mean default latex font, it's ugly crap |
| 14:14.44 | boudiccas | Lint; use latex, its easier and sets it out in a consistent style :) |
| 14:14.55 | Lint | I mean normal, opentype fonts |
| 14:15.32 | Lint | boudiccas, latex is u$-only package |
| 14:16.03 | valdyn | latex is not a us-only package |
| 14:16.04 | boudiccas | Lint; what do you mean by u$-only? |
| 14:16.06 | nsadmin | Lint, tex/latex uses fonts that work the same across all platforms |
| 14:16.18 | useless-eater | frostschutz: yeh, but these drives are very unusual I guess.. But: ubuntu 10.10 booted in livecd did browse content on the disks, is there any way to see the HD drivers used then, and choose or install the same one when starting up debian? |
| 14:16.29 | Lint | us typographics, formats, etc. useless outside us |
| 14:16.49 | useless-eater | would a full installcd be better than netinstall? Still.. got net, so shouldnt I guess :) |
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| 14:16.55 | boudiccas | Lint; i've used it quite succesfully in the biik that i wrote here in the UK |
| 14:17.06 | boudiccas | book |
| 14:17.09 | Lint | UK? |
| 14:17.10 | abrotman | Lint: uhm, that's completely untrue |
| 14:17.16 | boudiccas | Lint; yes |
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| 14:17.31 | frostschutz | useless-eater: lsmod would show the loaded modules. it might show up as /dev/sda instead of /dev/hda, depending on which driver is in use |
| 14:17.38 | valdyn | theres like thousands of books published in non-english languages in latex, but lint knows better |
| 14:17.51 | Lint | valdyn, examples? |
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| 14:17.59 | boudiccas | Lint; United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland |
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| 14:18.11 | frostschutz | useless-eater: you could debootstrap debian from ubuntu I guess |
| 14:18.19 | Lint | all I see is clearly us-style publications, clearly made in latex |
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| 14:21.00 | nsadmin | Lint, ok, you asked, got a response... before another comes, write a small document with your exact requirements |
| 14:21.11 | useless-eater | frostschutz: hmm thats a posibility too :) Thanks for helping |
| 14:21.15 | nsadmin | alternatively search packages.debian.org yourself |
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| 14:21.55 | Lint | nsadmin, I asked about nice serif fonts, not about latex and other crazy stuff |
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| 14:22.13 | abrotman | monospace terminal .. all one should ever need :) |
| 14:22.16 | nsadmin | this argument about whether tex/latex is good or bad should probably go away now |
| 14:22.18 | ruif13 | hia, i post in forum my issue http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=77067 anyone can help? |
| 14:22.48 | boudiccas | ruif13; why not ask your question directly here please? |
| 14:23.10 | jelly-home | hello, how do I make a mdadm RAID1 member --write-mostly from the config file? |
| 14:23.12 | ruif13 | hi boudiccas, i've asked about 1 hour ago :) |
| 14:23.29 | ruif13 | but i add detailed issue at the forum at the same time |
| 14:23.38 | boudiccas | ruif13; then i reckon that its okay to ask it again then :) |
| 14:23.38 | ruif13 | thanks for the advice |
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| 14:23.58 | nsadmin | being sicco is recommended |
| 14:24.02 | ruif13 | my issue is releated with lm-sensors |
| 14:24.05 | Turl|zZz | hi all |
| 14:24.14 | ruif13 | :( can detect rpm and cpu temperature |
| 14:24.23 | Turl | is this the right channel to ask a packaging question? |
| 14:24.24 | jelly-home | ruif13: the idea is to show the general issue here, so we don't have to click and read if we don't know anything about your specific issue or subsystem |
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| 14:24.29 | nsadmin | please conserve vertical space |
| 14:24.33 | ruif13 | yaya |
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| 14:25.09 | nsadmin | is it clear in the posting exactly what you want in detail? |
| 14:25.11 | jelly-home | Turl: sure. If you get no answers, try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org as well |
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| 14:25.24 | ruif13 | jelly-home already replyd that |
| 14:25.43 | jelly-home | nsadmin: dude, now that you know it's about lm-sensors, go and read it if you know anything about lm-sensors |
| 14:25.55 | ruif13 | :D |
| 14:26.02 | jelly-home | if you don't, don't |
| 14:26.26 | Turl | I'm trying to patch the pidgin package to use the new farstream, and the patch modifies makefile.am |
| 14:26.51 | Turl | I don't know why yet, but when configuring, the makefile is unpatched it seems |
| 14:27.17 | Turl | the package is using cdbs and quilt patches |
| 14:27.31 | jelly-home | Turl: you need to run... um, was it aclocal? to generate .in from .am |
| 14:27.44 | bitHipy | is wpa_supplicant limited in the drivers it can use? |
| 14:28.00 | jelly-home | Turl: that's before doing the ./configure step |
| 14:28.05 | Turl | jelly-home: should I do that on the rules, or locally + provide another patch? |
| 14:28.15 | bitHipy | when i "man wpa_supplicant", it only lists a few drivers |
| 14:28.34 | jelly-home | Turl: rules seems fine. Are you planning to upload the changes to Debian? |
| 14:29.10 | jelly-home | Turl: they may have an established procedure in such a case -- best to ask in -mentors channel, then |
| 14:29.24 | jelly-home | note that it's on a different irc network |
| 14:29.34 | bitHipy | when trying to run => wpa_supplicant -iwlan0 -cwpa_supplicant.conf -Diwl3945 -w... it says: "Unsupported driver 'iwl3945'" |
| 14:30.23 | Turl | jelly-home: primarily I want it for my own PC. If I get it working I might consider submitting to debian :) |
| 14:30.38 | Turl | jelly-home: currently pidgin clashes with empathy because of this |
| 14:31.24 | jelly-home | Turl: oh well, for a dirty local build I'd just run aclocal manually |
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| 14:31.46 | jelly-home | where manually ~ plug it in debian/rules where it fits |
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| 14:32.24 | jelly-home | have you filed a bug on it already :-> |
| 14:32.44 | Turl | no, I haven't |
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| 14:32.53 | Turl | I don't know if it qualifies as a bug to be honest |
| 14:33.09 | corecode | how do i get a kernel in uimage format for my arm devices? |
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| 14:35.02 | abrotman | corecode: ask #debian-arm on OFTC |
| 14:35.24 | mivulf | hello, im on kde4 now, how to deinstall all of gnome3? |
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| 14:35.53 | Turl | hm DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_AUTOMAKE sounds like the way to go |
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| 14:38.08 | ruif13 | anyone can help with lm-sensors in debian 6 |
| 14:38.27 | ruif13 | the issues is about cpu and rpm doesn't detect :/ |
| 14:38.44 | Turl | ruif13: did you do sensors-detect and load the required modules? |
| 14:38.52 | ruif13 | in sensors-detect found w83627ehf |
| 14:39.14 | ruif13 | Turl when i dmesg |
| 14:39.16 | ruif13 | appears |
| 14:39.21 | ruif13 | [ 17.792171] w83627ehf: Found W83627EHG chip at 0xfff8 |
| 14:39.29 | ruif13 | modprobe coretemp |
| 14:39.29 | ruif13 | FATAL: Error inserting coretemp (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/hwmon/coretemp.ko): No such device |
| 14:39.39 | mivulf | hello, im on kde4 now, how to deinstall all of gnome3? |
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| 14:39.52 | abrotman | mivulf: aptitude remove gnome3 |
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| 14:40.09 | abrotman | mivulf: or dpkg -l "*gnome*" .. start removing packages .. good luck! |
| 14:40.10 | Turl | ruif13: well is that module loaded? run lsmod|grep -i w83627ehf and see if it appears |
| 14:40.22 | MRCracker | hi all, i need help in iptables how can help? |
| 14:40.30 | abrotman | MRCracker: #netfilter |
| 14:40.41 | mi | hm, when i use mailbox_transport = cyrus, i get verify_user(user.error) failed: Mailbox does not exist |
| 14:40.45 | ruif13 | Turl lsmod |grep -i w83627ehf |
| 14:40.46 | ruif13 | w83627ehf 18691 0 |
| 14:40.46 | ruif13 | hwmon_vid 1828 1 w83627ehf |
| 14:40.47 | samantha-r- | is there a howto somewhere on setting up an http, non-socks, authenticated proxy that does NOT require an ssh tunnel? |
| 14:41.02 | abrotman | samantha-r-: squid? |
| 14:41.12 | MRCracker | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:41.13 | Turl | ruif13: then run 'sensors' and you should see whatever that sensor provides |
| 14:41.17 | mi | when i use mailbox_transport = lmtp:unix:/var/run/cyrus/socket/lmtp it tells me, that "No such file or director" |
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| 14:41.23 | nsadmin | MRCracker, also, google for "rusty's remarkably unreliable guides" |
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| 14:41.43 | mi | help please :( |
| 14:42.09 | abrotman | in a chroot? |
| 14:42.17 | ruif13 | Turl http://paste.debian.net/plain/160200 |
| 14:42.41 | mi | abrotman: was that for me? |
| 14:42.49 | Turl | ruif13: what's the problem then? |
| 14:42.54 | valdyn | ruif13: your fan sensors work fine |
| 14:42.58 | ruif13 | Turl if you check, in fan and temp doesn't have values |
| 14:43.12 | Turl | ruif13: probably your fans don't support speed reading? |
| 14:43.21 | ruif13 | Turl dono :S |
| 14:43.27 | ruif13 | :) |
| 14:43.54 | ruif13 | and cpu? |
| 14:44.18 | Turl | ruif13: which cpu do you have? |
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| 14:44.21 | jelly-home | mi: Debian's postfix installation comes chrooted to hell |
| 14:44.24 | ruif13 | i7 |
| 14:44.42 | valdyn | ruif13: you want to use a kernel that is at least as new as your cpu |
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| 14:45.31 | ruif13 | hum |
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| 14:45.57 | Turl | testing has a 3.2 kernel according to apt-cache policy |
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| 14:46.17 | valdyn | ruif13: you should probably just try the newest kernel from backports and then switch back or not, depending on the outcome |
| 14:46.23 | abrotman | Turl: so does backports |
| 14:46.25 | Rydekull | mi: what did you do to break it? |
| 14:46.27 | mi | jelly-home: i set chroot in master.cf to "n" :( |
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| 14:46.42 | mi | i updated from etch via lenny to squeeze |
| 14:46.51 | Turl | abrotman: nice to know, I never really used backports :) |
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| 14:47.13 | mi | @ Rydekull |
| 14:47.24 | jelly-home | mi: I confess I have no idea which particular service you have to unchroot, did you 'n' them all? |
| 14:47.34 | Turl | I'm a bit more suicidal and pin all the things :P |
| 14:47.37 | mi | lmtp unix - - n - - lmtp |
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| 14:48.06 | mi | jelly-home: hm, i will test with "n" for all now :) |
| 14:48.33 | jelly-home | mi: also, there is a #postfix channel. Do mention you're on Debian with its chroot silliness. |
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| 14:49.04 | jelly-home | prepare "postconf -n" and /var/log/mail.log pastes in advance ;-) |
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| 14:49.14 | mi | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/160195/ |
| 14:49.29 | mi | hehe |
| 14:49.44 | mi | but better not use the debian-pastebin then, ey? :D |
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| 14:49.53 | jelly-home | why not |
| 14:50.05 | mi | "Debian with its chroot silliness." :D |
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| 14:50.31 | bunny69 | hello folks |
| 14:50.41 | mi | ok, i'll try there now. thanks für the hints jelly-home |
| 14:50.46 | jelly-home | np |
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| 14:52.45 | bunny69 | would you like to tell me if its possible to create vhost > port redirection? i mean tcp wide, not just for http, e.g. vhost1.domain.com sends a user to port 8000 and vhost2.domain.com sends to port 8100 (for all services) |
| 14:53.42 | valdyn | bunny69: the only place where you can tell apart 2 different vhosts in a request is the http packet |
| 14:53.51 | bunny69 | hm |
| 14:54.07 | jelly-home | bunny69: no. Use a proxy. Most web servers these days have mod_proxy-ish functionality |
| 14:54.11 | valdyn | bunny69: its not encoded elsewhere, theres no tcp vhost, this is an http speciality |
| 14:54.12 | bunny69 | can this be done on dns level then? |
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| 14:54.32 | jelly-home | bunny69: if you make them real hosts with separate IP adresses, then it's trivial |
| 14:54.42 | valdyn | but then its not a vhost ;) |
| 14:54.57 | bunny69 | hm this is planned to work on a single ip |
| 14:55.37 | bunny69 | i possibly messed up when trying to explain the idea |
| 14:55.42 | valdyn | bunny69: you have a messed up idea here |
| 14:55.47 | mi | jelly-home: i tried a bit and found a solution, i just changed the chroot value to "n", but i need to change the unpriv value aswell. |
| 14:56.07 | valdyn | bunny69: you cant send all services to the same port without a huge effort and deep packet inspection |
| 14:56.42 | jelly-home | mi: or possibly make sure the socket is accessible by the right unprivileged user? |
| 14:57.08 | jelly-home | ... whichever the user that service runs as, is |
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| 14:57.16 | ruif13 | valdyn the last kernel in backpors is 3.2 ? |
| 14:57.20 | bunny69 | valdyn, jelly: we could as well just skip the http part... isn't there a way to redirect port based on hmm... |
| 14:57.33 | jelly-home | hmm. |
| 14:57.35 | bunny69 | man, this is confusing |
| 14:57.48 | bunny69 | i can't explain lol |
| 14:57.50 | valdyn | bunny69: theres no host name involved outside http except for the client when he figures out the ip |
| 14:57.52 | Rydekull | bunny69: say what you want to achieve? |
| 14:58.13 | Rydekull | bunny69: Dont try and use the right words, or whatever, just say what you want a scenario to work like |
| 14:58.17 | jelly-home | bunny69: understanding the problem is (often) 80% of the solution |
| 14:58.21 | bunny69 | ok ok i will just put it straight |
| 14:58.25 | bunny69 | yes indeed |
| 14:58.26 | valdyn | bunny69: so outside http you might just aswell assume that host *names* don't exist |
| 14:58.34 | mi | jelly-home: maybe better, yea! it took me some time fo figure, why i got the error in the first place... "Mailbox does nicht exist"... pfff |
| 14:58.39 | bunny69 | true valdyn |
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| 14:59.48 | bunny69 | ok so what i'm trying to do is setup two simple game servers and they both run on the same IP but use port 8000 and 8100, and i would like to setup "vhosts" for both of them so people can access those servers domain-wise and not port-wise, is it doable at all or sounds like bullshit? |
| 15:00.24 | valdyn | bunny69: to do that you need 2 ip adresses period |
| 15:00.44 | bunny69 | they can go like 123.123.123.123:8000 for now but game1.blah.com would be better if only it could redirect to 123.123.123.123:8000 |
| 15:01.01 | Turl | just tell people the right port, gamers are used to handling ports |
| 15:01.08 | bunny69 | i know that |
| 15:01.40 | bunny69 | but on the other hand i managed to redirect http quite nicely using rewrite and proxy modules for apache... |
| 15:01.44 | valdyn | im pretty sure this is not worth the effort |
| 15:01.50 | frostschutz | bunny69: only if it's http (a protocol where the client tells the server which name it was using) |
| 15:01.51 | bunny69 | oh it is for me |
| 15:02.01 | nancy-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.03 | valdyn | ( since as Turl points out, gamers need to know about ports anyway ) |
| 15:02.06 | Rydekull | bunny69: it is like valdyn is telling it |
| 15:02.12 | frostschutz | bunny69: its quite simply not possible otherwise |
| 15:02.21 | bunny69 | yup i'm starting to realise that now |
| 15:02.28 | Rydekull | bunny69: two IPs, or no game(pardon the pun) |
| 15:02.39 | mi | jelly-home: hmm, embarrassing question.... how do i change the user for "lmtp"? |
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| 15:03.27 | bunny69 | so whenever vhost is involved then doable for http only and in other case i would just need another IP |
| 15:03.33 | bunny69 | then it is* |
| 15:03.39 | jelly-home | mi: no idea! |
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| 15:03.55 | mi | jelly-home: good, thought i was the only one :D |
| 15:04.32 | martin3z | it is worth to take DVD no.8 into my local repo? is there anything interesting to see or use? |
| 15:05.01 | ruif13 | i upgrade the kernel but is missing rtl8168f fw |
| 15:05.07 | ruif13 | anyone can help before i reboot |
| 15:05.31 | valdyn | ruif13: its in the firmware-linux-free or in the firmware-linux-nonfree package |
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| 15:08.08 | ruif13 | valdyn can i do dpkg -i firmware and boot? |
| 15:08.29 | ruif13 | i did that gona boot |
| 15:08.29 | valdyn | ruif13: are you not using backports as the instructions say? |
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| 15:08.46 | valdyn | ruif13: apt-get -t squeeze-backports install <packagename> |
| 15:08.49 | ruif13 | i download the .deb and install |
| 15:08.59 | injureddeer | Hello, is possible to block upload on torrent? in my country sharing is illegal, but download is legal |
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| 15:09.05 | valdyn | ruif13: ok, you can dpkg -i too naturally |
| 15:09.17 | ruif13 | great ;) gona boot :D |
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| 15:09.34 | valdyn | injureddeer: sharing what? |
| 15:09.36 | Turl | injureddeer: nobody is going to like you :P |
| 15:09.47 | injureddeer | i know |
| 15:09.52 | injureddeer | for example movie |
| 15:09.58 | injureddeer | is legal to download, like mp3 |
| 15:10.00 | injureddeer | but illegal to share |
| 15:10.03 | boudiccas | injureddeer; yes, just configure your torrent downloader not to upload |
| 15:10.24 | valdyn | injureddeer: you wont be able to download at a satisfactory rate if you dont share anyway |
| 15:10.48 | Turl | which country is that, if you can tell? |
| 15:10.52 | Turl | is curious |
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| 15:11.00 | valdyn | Turl: germany is like that for instance |
| 15:11.42 | valdyn | Turl: though "legal" is probably the wrong term |
| 15:11.43 | Rydekull | Turl: many countries are like that |
| 15:11.57 | valdyn | Turl: more like "officially not prosecuted" |
| 15:12.16 | Rydekull | kinda like selling sex is not illegal, buying it is |
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| 15:13.21 | valdyn | Turl: and sharing is inoffically not prosecuted either, but lawyers can do costly cease and desist letters |
| 15:13.40 | Turl | well digital sharing is a huge grey cloud in here :) |
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| 15:14.17 | Turl | I don't know of a single person (individual) in here who got a C&D because of sharing either |
| 15:14.28 | valdyn | now in swiss both is completely tolerated |
| 15:15.14 | bunny69 | there is no difference between recording a fav song or movie off digital satellite and downloading it... is there any? |
| 15:15.32 | bunny69 | based on that, i can't really understand the whole "piracy" crap |
| 15:15.37 | WilsonBradley | anyone familiar with Pendrive linux ? |
| 15:15.49 | boudiccas | !anyone |
| 15:15.49 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 15:15.58 | valdyn | bunny69: both is not legal |
| 15:16.22 | bunny69 | valdyn: isn't recording from tv legal? |
| 15:16.29 | valdyn | bunny69: not exactly |
| 15:16.37 | Turl | recording from tv is legal on most places as far as I know |
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| 15:16.46 | Rydekull | for personal use, i.e. not sharing, is usually the case |
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| 15:16.54 | bunny69 | i'm yet to find the law which forbids recording |
| 15:16.56 | Turl | some cable ops even promote it offering their DVRs and stuff to you |
| 15:16.59 | WilsonBradley | Anyone familiar with Pendrivelinux.net ? |
| 15:17.08 | valdyn | bunny69: its exempt from prosecution and as an exception allowed where in exchange you pay a surcharge on recording media |
| 15:17.12 | Rydekull | WilsonBradley: did you see what dpkg said above? |
| 15:17.21 | bunny69 | valdyn indeed |
| 15:17.31 | Turl | valdyn: spain 'canon'-like? |
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| 15:17.59 | bunny69 | then i would pay same surcharge after downloading because i still need to archive it in some way |
| 15:18.02 | WilsonBradley | Ya, didn't understand it |
| 15:18.06 | flo` | hi |
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| 15:18.37 | valdyn | bunny69: the industry does not as easily agree to lossless digital copying as they did to lossy analog recording... |
| 15:18.51 | Rydekull | WilsonBradley: please reread it until you do, then ask a proper question |
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| 15:19.00 | flo` | i want to migrate my existing debian system to another partition; how can i migrate my /-partition? |
| 15:19.03 | bunny69 | yes and that's the real problem - the industry :) |
| 15:19.18 | WilsonBradley | You could have explained it better |
| 15:19.26 | flo` | should i use cp -a or tar or rsync, or some kind of ext3-cloning-tool, or something different? |
| 15:19.42 | bunny69 | i would definetly go for a cloning tool |
| 15:19.51 | boudiccas | WilsonBradley; griping about the rules of a channel gains you no friends |
| 15:19.57 | valdyn | flo`: depending on cirmucstances cloning can be faster or cp can be faster |
| 15:20.03 | tremon | flo`: preferred method is a separate boot environment like a netboot or live image |
| 15:20.03 | valdyn | flo`: both can work if done right |
| 15:20.14 | WilsonBradley | no ones griping |
| 15:20.19 | flo` | tremo, a separate environment exists: grml |
| 15:20.23 | WilsonBradley | needing clarification |
| 15:20.33 | tremon | flo`: if you must do it from the installed system, use init 1 and mount -o remount,ro / to make sure the copy is consistent |
| 15:20.56 | flo` | however, i'd prefer to back up my data while the system is running (few downtime). i have / on a LVM, with free space, so i can create an LVM snapshot. |
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| 15:21.16 | valdyn | flo`: you can also do pvmove with lvm |
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| 15:21.24 | WilsonBradley | is the subject that is wrong or the way I asked? |
| 15:21.31 | valdyn | flo`: ( but do not have a swap active on lvm while doing that ) |
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| 15:21.59 | frostschutz | avoid pvmove if possible |
| 15:22.00 | bunny69 | WilsonBradley it's all about the "anyone" part of your question |
| 15:22.03 | flo` | valdyn, but i must put my stuff onto an external disk, and then back again |
| 15:22.09 | bunny69 | !anyone |
| 15:22.09 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 15:22.11 | flo` | so i cannot do this "in-place" |
| 15:22.12 | bunny69 | :) |
| 15:22.12 | tremon | valdyn, flo`: pvmove can only be done if the volume isn't active -- learned that the hard way |
| 15:22.12 | valdyn | frostschutz: why? |
| 15:22.22 | valdyn | tremon: uh? |
| 15:22.31 | frostschutz | it's slow, and dangerous |
| 15:22.35 | valdyn | tremon: ive been doing it live for more than 5 years |
| 15:22.55 | tremon | valdyn: then you're lucky. Read the manual |
| 15:22.59 | Turl | WilsonBradley: instead of 'do you know X site?' say 'I tried to do Y as instructed in X site, did x y z steps, having w issue, etc' |
| 15:23.00 | valdyn | yea, its slow, but it causes no downtime |
| 15:23.11 | flo` | okay. so no pvmove |
| 15:23.26 | WilsonBradley | ok, thank you , that helps |
| 15:23.38 | WilsonBradley | It just didn't make sense what "sk me about <popcon> instead.) " |
| 15:23.42 | valdyn | tremon: which manual? the manpage sais nothing about it |
| 15:23.49 | flo` | and honestly, i'd prefer not using pvmove anyway, because my lvm is somewhat fragmented, and i'd like to get rid of that fragmentation at that opportunity as well ;) |
| 15:24.04 | flo` | so, this limits me to a filesystem-copy or a per-file-copy. |
| 15:24.08 | WilsonBradley | popcon |
| 15:24.28 | tremon | goes insane |
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| 15:24.31 | Turl | WilsonBradley: popcon is debian's popularity contest, tracks package usage statistics |
| 15:24.41 | tremon | valdyn: I'm certain I've read it somewhere just a few weeks ago |
| 15:24.41 | frostschutz | flo`: clean mount and rsync -aAHSX away, if you don't want to dd |
| 15:24.52 | WilsonBradley | Thank you Turl |
| 15:25.05 | WilsonBradley | it's starting to make sense |
| 15:25.13 | Turl | !popcon |
| 15:25.13 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package |
| 15:25.17 | valdyn | tremon: makes no sense to me, i can move an inactive volume with cat, i dont need pvmove for that |
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| 15:26.35 | tremon | valdyn: well I did an online pvmove just a few weeks ago and it completely thrashed the filesystem |
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| 15:26.45 | flo` | will rsyncing my files have any (positive or negative) impact on my new system's performance? |
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| 15:27.02 | frostschutz | flo`: only if it was horribly fragmented before... |
| 15:27.08 | flo` | that is, are files in my "old system" aligned some special optimal way, and rsync would copy them in any different way? |
| 15:27.21 | Turl | tremon: I learnt the hard way that ignoring the warnings on filesystem tools is usually not a good idea :) |
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| 15:27.27 | flo` | but rsync won't fragment my files more than they are now? so it either has no or a positive impact? |
| 15:27.45 | valdyn | flo`: it cant fragment them |
| 15:27.55 | frostschutz | flo`: rsync can't fragment files, its up to the filesystem how it stores the stuff |
| 15:28.06 | Turl | flo`: if you have enough space, it shouldn't generate any fragmentation |
| 15:28.08 | nowhereFast | could someone help me resize a volume... |
| 15:28.11 | nowhereFast | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.13 | nowhereFast | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.25 | flo` | and can rsyncing them destroy any "optimal file ordering" or so? |
| 15:28.30 | tremon | Turl: if the tool would have given a warning, I might have read it and followed its advice. It didn't |
| 15:28.40 | valdyn | flo`: where would that optimal ordering come from? |
| 15:28.49 | flo` | dunno. maybe it's there ;) |
| 15:28.53 | nowhereFast | /dev/sda5 is a virtual disk |
| 15:28.58 | Turl | flo`: unless you're running something like e4rat, I doubt you'd have one |
| 15:28.58 | valdyn | flo`: its not |
| 15:29.01 | frostschutz | flo`: rsync works just fine. but pay attention to the partitioning / mkfs on your new disk |
| 15:29.06 | flo` | okay. |
| 15:29.07 | nowhereFast | and it now has more space available |
| 15:29.08 | Turl | tremon: sounds like a bug to me :) |
| 15:29.30 | nowhereFast | can anybody point me to a guide for ths? |
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| 15:29.43 | flo` | nowhereFast, so you have an LVM-physical volume, which increased in size? |
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| 15:30.06 | flo` | nowhereFast, and you now want to make LVM use the full device (that is, the gained space)? |
| 15:30.11 | frostschutz | nowhereFast: lvm2 howto covers everything... pvresize /dev/sda5 or something |
| 15:30.20 | nowhereFast | yes |
| 15:30.33 | flo` | nowhereFast, you want to do the following: make your LVM-physical-volume bigger |
| 15:30.35 | nowhereFast | but i need to make it available to sda5 first from what i gather |
| 15:30.40 | flo` | make your LVM-volume-group bigger |
| 15:30.47 | nowhereFast | yes |
| 15:30.48 | flo` | make your LVM-logical-volume(s) bigger |
| 15:30.51 | flo` | in that order |
| 15:31.06 | nowhereFast | but the vg does not see the additional space available until sda5 has it available |
| 15:31.10 | Rydekull | and your fs bigger |
| 15:31.11 | nowhereFast | right now its just raw |
| 15:31.28 | flo` | "available to sda5"? |
| 15:31.29 | nowhereFast | so need to expand sda5 then vg? |
| 15:31.31 | frostschutz | nowhereFast: since sda5 is a partition you could just add another partition and make that a new pv which you then add to the vg |
| 15:31.42 | nowhereFast | hmmm... |
| 15:31.42 | flo` | nowhereFast, what do you mean with "sda5 is a virtual thingy"? |
| 15:31.47 | frostschutz | nowhereFast: but yes, expand sda5, then pvresize |
| 15:31.54 | nowhereFast | i see... so ure adding a new partition |
| 15:32.04 | nowhereFast | okay, -ths is running in vmware |
| 15:32.04 | tremon | nowhereFast: you need pvresize first, then lvresize. And before that, you need to make sure the kernel has detected the changed size of sda |
| 15:32.25 | nowhereFast | sda5 is a partition of a virtual disk in vmware |
| 15:32.30 | nowhereFast | and the virtual disk is now larger |
| 15:32.42 | flo` | nowhereFast, so you're typing all your pvresize-etc commands into a virtual machine? |
| 15:32.46 | nowhereFast | so i can add a new partition and make ths avaialble to the vg |
| 15:32.56 | nowhereFast | or expand sda5 |
| 15:33.07 | frostschutz | nowhereFast: it doesnt matter if the disk is virtual or not, the partition table is your first problem here :) |
| 15:33.19 | tremon | nowhereFast: both will work, as long as sda5 is the last partition on the disk. Otherwise new partition is your only solution |
| 15:33.22 | nowhereFast | yup, -i was just answering flo's question |
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| 15:33.32 | nowhereFast | sd5 is the last |
| 15:33.37 | nowhereFast | sda5* |
| 15:33.40 | nowhereFast | so which is better? |
| 15:33.51 | nowhereFast | add another partition? -or expand sda5? |
| 15:34.04 | tremon | votes for expanding sda5 |
| 15:34.07 | frostschutz | nowhereFast: lvm doesnt care either way, but adding a new partition may be easier for your partitioning program thingy. |
| 15:34.22 | flo` | the full procedure is: stop your VM, tell vmware that you want a bigger harddisk, start your VM with some live-system, use fdisk to enlarge the extended partition sda5 resides in, use fdisk to enlarge sda5, use pvresize, then enlarge your volGroup (maybe, maybe not), then enlarge your logical volumes, then enlarge the filesystems on it, thenm boot into your larger system |
| 15:34.23 | nowhereFast | okay... |
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| 15:34.55 | nowhereFast | hmmm... |
| 15:35.02 | tremon | flo`: you don't need to boot a live-system |
| 15:35.09 | frostschutz | flo`: there is no vgresize, it just uses the pvs |
| 15:35.15 | flo` | "using fdisk to enlarge a partition" usually means: "delete" that partition, and "create" an identical one, just that it has its end at the end of the disk |
| 15:35.32 | ruif13 | valdyn back |
| 15:35.40 | nowhereFast | flo, i didnt think i needed a live-system to expand a parition |
| 15:35.51 | valdyn | nowhereFast: you dont |
| 15:35.53 | ruif13 | i ve some issues with upgrade :) |
| 15:35.56 | ruif13 | nvidia |
| 15:36.05 | valdyn | ruif13: do sensors work now? |
| 15:36.05 | ruif13 | but i think its only that |
| 15:36.07 | ruif13 | yaya |
| 15:36.08 | flo` | nowhereFast, possibly not. either it's safer or it doesn't provide any benefit |
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| 15:36.13 | ruif13 | sensors work in sheel |
| 15:36.14 | flo` | i like being on the safe side ;) |
| 15:36.14 | ruif13 | shell |
| 15:36.15 | ruif13 | :D |
| 15:36.21 | nowhereFast | heh |
| 15:36.23 | nowhereFast | okay |
| 15:36.26 | valdyn | judd: versions nvidia-glx |
| 15:36.27 | judd | Package: nvidia-glx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-backports/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 295.20-1; wheezy/non-free: 295.20-1; experimental/non-free: 295.20-1+exp1 |
| 15:36.30 | ruif13 | but i'm back with 2.6 kernel |
| 15:36.35 | flo` | and, you definitely should NOT fdisk while the system is running |
| 15:36.47 | ruif13 | afraid of upgrade backports |
| 15:36.49 | tremon | as a general rule, if I use vmware I give my hosts two disks: an OS disk and data disk. The data disk does not get a partition table, it gets used as a single PV entirely |
| 15:36.58 | ruif13 | anyone have problems with nvidia or something? |
| 15:37.10 | valdyn | ruif13: try apt-get -t squeeze-backports install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 15:37.10 | ruif13 | with last kernel from backports |
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| 15:37.25 | nowhereFast | notes tremon's way of dealing with vm's |
| 15:37.28 | ruif13 | ok :) |
| 15:37.30 | frostschutz | nowhereFast: backup your partition table with sfdisk first. if you delete sda5 and then dont remember its offset, your PV is lost (until you find it again) |
| 15:37.38 | valdyn | ruif13: once booted in your new kernel you need to "dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms" |
| 15:38.10 | flo` | nowhereFast, first, have backups. is this a productive or a testing system? does it need a high uptime ratio, or can you take it down? |
| 15:38.39 | nowhereFast | its a production system, but i have cloned it and will try ths out on the clone first |
| 15:38.45 | flo` | good. |
| 15:38.50 | flo` | do you need 101% uptime? |
| 15:39.17 | nowhereFast | i could take it down for 30 mins if i really had to |
| 15:39.21 | flo` | if you can afford downtime, i recommend using a live-system for everything. grml is only 350MB and helped me much this week |
| 15:39.33 | ruif13 | valdyn gona try :) |
| 15:39.45 | jelly-home | valdyn: dkms is supposed to rebuild all the missing modules at reboot time automagically |
| 15:39.53 | nowhereFast | right now /dev/sda has 40 additional gb to it, -next step? increase sd5 with fdisk? |
| 15:39.56 | nowhereFast | sda5* |
| 15:40.06 | valdyn | jelly-home: interesting, never did that for me |
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| 15:40.33 | flo` | nowhereFast, yes, but first increase the extended partition containing sda5 |
| 15:40.46 | ruif13 | .. it's running module version sanity checkkk .D |
| 15:40.58 | flo` | think of it as [ stuff | more stuff (your sda5) ] |
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| 15:41.09 | flo` | where "[]" is the extended partition containing sda5 |
| 15:41.45 | flo` | you need to get [ stuff | more stuff (your sda5) FREE SPACE ] first, and then can increase sda5 (this can be done in one step however( |
| 15:42.00 | jelly-home | nowhereFast: if it's a VM, using a separate disk for /boot and using the whole disk as a PV, avoiding partitioning completely, can make growing a completely online process |
| 15:42.01 | nowhereFast | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.03 | nowhereFast | /dev/sda1 * 1 32 248832 83 Linux |
| 15:42.05 | nowhereFast | Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. |
| 15:42.07 | nowhereFast | /dev/sda2 32 2611 20719617 5 Extended |
| 15:42.08 | nowhereFast | /dev/sda5 32 2611 20719616 8e Linux LVM |
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| 15:42.17 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 15:42.17 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
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| 15:42.25 | nowhereFast | ^fdisk -l gives me the above |
| 15:42.34 | nowhereFast | okay... sorry |
| 15:43.17 | bony | anyone working on mlt? the engine that is behind kdenlive one of my favorite video editing and production software. |
| 15:44.30 | bony | I just compiled melted out of source. I didn't find any deb package for it. I guess it follows proper dfsg. How can i package it for debian and add it to the repositories? |
| 15:44.53 | nowhereFast | flo`, -where to from here? one step? |
| 15:45.32 | flo` | nowhereFast, wait a moment. fixing my own things just now ;) |
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| 15:46.48 | nowhereFast | n/p, thanks |
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| 15:49.52 | tremon | nowhereFast: please only use fdisk -u. The original C/H/S based numbers have been fictitious since the beginning of this millennium, and not all tools agree |
| 15:50.48 | guardian | why isn't umask 027 by default? |
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| 15:52.11 | flo` | nowhereFast, back again. |
| 15:52.26 | tremon | guardian: because most people aren't paranoid about the people they share their computer with |
| 15:52.33 | nowhereFast | okay |
| 15:52.35 | nowhereFast | give me a min |
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| 15:53.28 | guardian | tremon: :) i was about to change it to 027 but i guess it's 022 for a good reason, and lots of things rely on that |
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| 15:53.39 | nowhereFast | fdisk -u |
| 15:53.46 | flo` | nowhereFast, please pastebin the output of fdisk |
| 15:53.47 | nowhereFast | this one doesnt bring anything u[ |
| 15:53.58 | nowhereFast | will this help: http://picpaste.com/stat1-xz0UWrbl.png |
| 15:54.03 | flo` | fdisk -ul /dev/sdwhatever |
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| 15:54.36 | tremon | guardian: no system tools rely on anything in /home, but for root, yes umask 027 might break things |
| 15:54.45 | flo` | i never used cfdisk. and is possible, paste your stuff as text into some pastebin online service |
| 15:55.17 | flo` | what does fdisk -ul /dev/sda say? |
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| 15:56.09 | nowhereFast | http://pastie.org/3621999 |
| 15:56.37 | flo` | okay. |
| 15:57.02 | nowhereFast | i dont see sda2 in here though... http://picpaste.com/stat1-xz0UWrbl.png |
| 15:57.06 | flo` | uhm, there should have been some lines above that, saying stuff about your disk geometry etc |
| 15:57.19 | flo` | well, sda2 is.. special |
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| 15:57.54 | nowhereFast | http://pastie.org/3622004 |
| 15:58.00 | flo` | quick history course: smart peoply thought that four partitions are enough. sda1 to sda4. ("primary partitions") |
| 15:58.01 | nowhereFast | ^with geometry |
| 15:58.05 | Laurita_18 | Some girl or boy to talk?? only private massageeesss!!! :) |
| 15:58.20 | flo` | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.36 | flo` | (that primary "wrapping" partition is called "extended". and sda2 is your extended) |
| 15:59.06 | nowhereFast | heh interesting |
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| 15:59.37 | flo` | did you expand your disk from 20GB to 64GB? |
| 15:59.45 | nowhereFast | yup |
| 15:59.51 | flo` | okay |
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| 16:00.01 | nowhereFast | vmware says 60gb |
| 16:00.18 | flo` | whatever. this is a GiB vs GB issue (*1000 vs *1024) |
| 16:00.30 | qdb | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1942684 cert8.db of iceweacel is changed... is it hacked? |
| 16:00.39 | nowhereFast | yup |
| 16:00.42 | Jordman | speaking of partitions, do you know if there is a way to move a primary partition to be part of a logical partition? (using something like gparted) |
| 16:00.44 | flo` | you need to remember some values: |
| 16:01.02 | flo` | the "start" values of sda2 and sda5, and the "id" of sda5 |
| 16:01.14 | flo` | then, (when in fdisk), do the following: |
| 16:01.59 | flo` | delete partition 2 (and the contained 5) by entering "d <ENTER> 2 <ENTER". verify the deletion by typing "p <ENTER>" |
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| 16:02.40 | flo` | (fdisk won't change your disk until you type "w <ENTER>". and "deleting" a partition doesn't delete its data, but only the "fence" around it.) |
| 16:02.54 | tremon | qdb: only mozilla or debian-mozilla will be able to answer that question. If you think it's suspect, remove the file and hope iceweasel will recreate it |
| 16:02.59 | nowhereFast | okay, -will i need to umount the vg or something? |
| 16:03.12 | flo` | uhm yeah |
| 16:03.19 | flo` | in fact, nothing should use sda2 or sda5 |
| 16:03.56 | tremon | nowhereFast: the kernel has an in-memory copy of the partition table. Anything you modify will not show up until you reboot |
| 16:04.26 | tremon | tremon: since you cannot umount sda1, you cannot force a re-read of the partition table without reboot |
| 16:04.41 | tremon | needs to stop talking to himself |
| 16:04.45 | flo` | you can. but you don't want to ;) |
| 16:04.54 | jelly-home | tremon: he knows better |
| 16:04.54 | nowhereFast | i see |
| 16:04.54 | injureddeer | how exec something in debian at shutdown? |
| 16:05.12 | nowhereFast | okay, so unmount, then drop the fence d -> 2 -> and verify deletion ... |
| 16:05.33 | flo` | and then re-create the partitions: |
| 16:06.01 | flo` | "c", you want an extended partition, with number 2, the start you have written down, and the suggested end |
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| 16:06.19 | nowhereFast | okay... |
| 16:06.21 | nowhereFast | gets the clone |
| 16:06.40 | flo` | "c" again, you want a logical partition, (fdisk will automatically use number 5), the other start you've written down (the start of old sda5), and the suggested end |
| 16:07.16 | flo` | then you want to change the type of sda5 by entering "t", selecting partition 5, and entering the type you should remember (8e) |
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| 16:07.39 | flo` | when enter "p", and compare the output against the previous output (the one you pasted) |
| 16:07.56 | flo` | the only differences should be the "End" values of sda2 and sda5. nothing else should differ |
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| 16:08.28 | tremon | would do away with the extended partition and simply create a primary partition at the exact same starting sector |
| 16:08.57 | flo` | tremon, i'm not sure if this will break stuff. if YOU are, tell me ;) |
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| 16:09.36 | tremon | flo`: as long as nowhereFast is sure he has a snapshot/backup to revert to, I'm sure it won't break anything |
| 16:09.50 | flo` | true. |
| 16:10.32 | nowhereFast | okayu |
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| 16:10.35 | nowhereFast | unmounted |
| 16:10.40 | nowhereFast | now fdisk /dev/sda? |
| 16:10.51 | tremon | fdisk -u please |
| 16:10.58 | flo` | you need to disable the volume groups as well. |
| 16:11.04 | flo` | (i think so, at least) |
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| 16:11.23 | nowhereFast | heh, -did an umount -l on / |
| 16:11.34 | nowhereFast | now fdisk -ul /dev/sda says no disk |
| 16:11.48 | flo` | nowhereFast, stop. |
| 16:11.49 | tremon | notes that nowhereFast likes to live dangerously |
| 16:11.54 | nowhereFast | hahaHA |
| 16:12.02 | flo` | nowhereFast, a lazy umount doesn't help IIRC |
| 16:12.13 | flo` | and nowhereFast you should grab a live system ;) |
| 16:12.20 | nowhereFast | heh |
| 16:12.29 | nowhereFast | ths clone is getting it today |
| 16:12.46 | Rydekull | isnt it just easier to give out a new disk, and add it to the vg? |
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| 16:12.58 | nowhereFast | ^ths would be easier |
| 16:13.06 | flo` | "ths"? |
| 16:13.11 | nowhereFast | this |
| 16:13.25 | Woet | and ^ referring to the previous message of Rydekull |
| 16:13.31 | flo` | you can do this as well, of course ;) |
| 16:13.35 | nowhereFast | but then i wouldnt make sense of expanding /dev/sda5 |
| 16:13.43 | dracmas | updated debian testing a few days ago and now my mobile broadband usb isn't showing up in nm-applet |
| 16:13.47 | flo` | true. |
| 16:14.01 | nowhereFast | okay flo`... -unstop |
| 16:14.10 | nowhereFast | what did i not do tht i should have done? |
| 16:14.20 | flo` | hopefully nothing yet ;) |
| 16:14.26 | qdb | i think may be you look diff of files and say, is it good certificate there? |
| 16:14.49 | tremon | Rydekull: would have been easier, yes. But we're already halfway there |
| 16:15.03 | flo` | nowhereFast, your options are: 1) let sda at 20GB (having not done the vmware-increase), create a new disk (sdb), and add sdb to the volume group. |
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| 16:15.29 | Rydekull | tremon: I thought this was just a clone he was working on? Sounds quite easy to restart :-P |
| 16:15.37 | jelly-home | dracmas: have you filed a bug report? |
| 16:15.40 | flo` | 2) increase sda (you already did this), boot into a live system (grml, knoppix etc), fdisk so that sda5 increases, pvresize etc |
| 16:15.55 | flo` | 3) as 2), just without the live system, but with the chance that you completely break your system |
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| 16:16.29 | nowhereFast | okay... which live system should i download? -while its downloading we could go 3 on the clone... |
| 16:16.33 | jelly-home | you have the sam chance of breaking it with scenarios 2) and 3), flo` |
| 16:16.55 | nowhereFast | but u all probably prefer 1 from an expanding-in-the-future point of view? |
| 16:16.56 | tremon | nowhereFast: I'm a bit worried about fdisk -u /dev/sda saying "no such disk" |
| 16:16.56 | flo` | jelly-home, really? is it safe to tamper around with fdisk while the system is running? |
| 16:17.01 | dracmas | Never done so before. I've always stuck to figuring out how to make it work again lol. Didn't know if someone on here had the same problem. |
| 16:17.06 | tremon | s/isk/evice/ |
| 16:17.12 | nsadmin | I would not recommend adding two PVs on separate storage units to the same VG |
| 16:17.12 | nowhereFast | tremon... i've rebooted, we've got it back |
| 16:17.19 | jelly-home | flo`: yes, since no changes will be seen if any of the partitions are in use |
| 16:17.34 | tremon | nowhereFast: ok, fdisk -u /dev/sda then |
| 16:17.43 | flo` | jelly-home, if you say so :) |
| 16:17.59 | nsadmin | unless you can guarantee both sda and sdb will be available forever |
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| 16:18.14 | dracmas | Everything else still works though thankfully, wifi :) |
| 16:18.18 | flo` | nowhereFast, so do what i explained above (fdisk, delete, create and stuff. jelly says you may safely write it to the disk ;) ) |
| 16:18.19 | nowhereFast | okay, in fdisk now |
| 16:18.30 | nowhereFast | but the vg is still mounted... |
| 16:18.34 | flo` | but jelly-home, can you pvresize while a system is running? |
| 16:18.44 | nsadmin | then hold off |
| 16:18.54 | tremon | d 5, d 2, n p 2, 501760, t 2 8e, w :) |
| 16:19.00 | jelly-home | flo`: if all the other necessities are taken care of, yes |
| 16:19.01 | nsadmin | hold it |
| 16:19.05 | nowhereFast | hahaHA |
| 16:19.11 | flo` | jelly-home, which means..? |
| 16:19.14 | Rydekull | nsadmin: it will be, he will have greater problems if he is missing his datastores |
| 16:19.15 | nsadmin | he says vols are still -mounted- |
| 16:19.15 | tremon | nowhereFast: you can't unmount the vg, it contains your / filesystem, right? |
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| 16:19.36 | jelly-home | flo`: forget partitions, use whole disks |
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| 16:19.41 | nowhereFast | yup |
| 16:19.46 | nowhereFast | its mounted on / |
| 16:19.56 | epicfail | who the *** do i have to kill to get a **** backup *** *** |
| 16:20.01 | nsadmin | is this a remote? |
| 16:20.10 | nowhereFast | remote system? |
| 16:20.14 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 16:20.17 | nowhereFast | its in a vsphere |
| 16:20.44 | nsadmin | which is located 1 foot/12 inches? 100 miles? |
| 16:20.56 | Rydekull | ... why does it matter? |
| 16:20.59 | nowhereFast | heh, -a few rooms, -but i'm conected through the console |
| 16:20.59 | jelly-home | nsadmin: irrelevant, since it's a vm |
| 16:21.01 | nowhereFast | not ssh |
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| 16:21.17 | epicfail | i downloaded the newest stable of clonezilla, tried to make a backup but it starts to a login for ubuntu |
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| 16:21.37 | nsadmin | nowhereFast, so it's vaguely possible you could have physical access to it? |
| 16:21.49 | Rydekull | nsadmin: He has, its virtual |
| 16:21.55 | jelly-home | heh |
| 16:22.00 | nowhereFast | i can touch the hardware |
| 16:22.02 | tremon | nsadmin: he hasn't, it's virtual :) |
| 16:22.08 | Rydekull | tremon: semantics :-P |
| 16:22.17 | jelly-home | nsadmin: what do you mean by physical access |
| 16:22.18 | nsadmin | there's way too many cooks here :) |
| 16:22.19 | nowhereFast | but thts about as physical as i can get with it |
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| 16:22.21 | Rydekull | tremon: Virtual Physical access! |
| 16:22.27 | nowhereFast | hahaHA |
| 16:22.28 | nowhereFast | okay... |
| 16:22.34 | nowhereFast | i do have virtual physical access right now |
| 16:22.35 | nsadmin | like a back scratcer |
| 16:22.43 | nowhereFast | heh |
| 16:23.02 | nowhereFast | okay... so, tremon? d 5, d 2, n p 2, 501760, t 2 8e, w? |
| 16:23.10 | jelly-home | check |
| 16:23.21 | tremon | nowhereFast: please mind the screen while you're doing that |
| 16:23.52 | nsadmin | how would that work if a partition is mounted inside that? |
| 16:24.23 | tremon | nsadmin: it will still work, the kernel just will refuse to re-read the partition table until reboot |
| 16:24.36 | flo` | nowhereFast, and you should write down how it was before. (or write down the pastie-url ;) ) just in case. |
| 16:24.47 | jelly-home | nsadmin: without any issues, except for the last bit of kernel being unwilling to update the internal view of partition tables |
| 16:24.58 | nsadmin | so once he reboots, what, the pv partition will encompass 10 mroe g? |
| 16:25.03 | jelly-home | yes |
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| 16:25.19 | nowhereFast | heh, noted |
| 16:25.21 | nsadmin | that would be the best |
| 16:25.25 | nsadmin | I think |
| 16:25.30 | tremon | nsadmin: once he reboots, the PV will be 20G in a 60G partition. Then pvresize can be run |
| 16:25.31 | nowhereFast | now... partition table has been laterred |
| 16:25.33 | nowhereFast | but... |
| 16:25.46 | nowhereFast | re-reading the partition table failed |
| 16:25.47 | jelly-home | (if painting by numbers as above is correct) |
| 16:25.52 | jelly-home | nowhereFast: that's expected |
| 16:25.56 | nsadmin | and he ends up with a 60g pv? |
| 16:25.57 | tremon | nowhereFast: that's expected, see above |
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| 16:26.07 | jelly-home | nsadmin: not until a pvresize is issued |
| 16:26.13 | nowhereFast | yup |
| 16:26.26 | nowhereFast | so... we're out of fdisk |
| 16:26.30 | nowhereFast | where to next? |
| 16:26.32 | jelly-home | reboot |
| 16:26.36 | tremon | nowhereFast, now you need a reboot and 20 hail mary's |
| 16:26.40 | Rydekull | sacrifice a goat |
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| 16:26.45 | tremon | lol |
| 16:26.46 | Rydekull | or whatever ritual you like |
| 16:26.47 | nowhereFast | haHA |
| 16:26.53 | nowhereFast | gets his ceremonial gear on |
| 16:26.56 | jelly-home | poo' goat |
| 16:27.13 | jelly-home | a rubber chicken MAY suffice |
| 16:27.29 | foxtrot9 | uh oh... debain channel is gonna sacrifice a goat... |
| 16:27.43 | nsadmin | where men are men and sheeps, goats, chickens, ducks and this cow are scared? |
| 16:27.47 | Rydekull | (that was usually our descriptions in change requests for the previous company I worked on) |
| 16:28.06 | nowhereFast | the clone lives |
| 16:28.29 | flo` | nowhereFast, nice. now read "man pvresize" ;) |
| 16:28.46 | nowhereFast | heh |
| 16:28.46 | flo` | pvresize /dev/sdwhatever1337 _might_ do |
| 16:28.47 | nowhereFast | okay |
| 16:28.51 | flo` | but read that manpage ;) |
| 16:29.01 | jelly-home | flo`: s/might/will/, but yeah |
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| 16:29.37 | flo` | okay, trust jelly-home an run pvresize /dev/whatever |
| 16:29.50 | nsadmin | oh, that's not why I thought goats et al were scared... |
| 16:29.54 | nowhereFast | okay... so ths resizes the physical which the vg is on |
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| 16:29.56 | jelly-home | well hopefully nowhereFast made a snapshot of the VM before playing |
| 16:30.09 | flo` | jelly-home, he did |
| 16:30.17 | Rydekull | jelly-home: it is the clone he is playing with |
| 16:30.22 | jelly-home | why worry! |
| 16:30.25 | jelly-home | hides |
| 16:30.31 | Rydekull | jelly-home: I suspect he is going to repeat this exact procedure later on, for real |
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| 16:31.14 | nsadmin | there's another 60g pv?! |
| 16:31.37 | flo` | nowhereFast, once pvresize is done: you want to lvresize your logical volume: lvresize -l 100%VG LogivcalVolumePath # should do |
| 16:31.54 | jelly-home | virtualization makes it really easy to make a copy of the whole system and then go and destroy the copy in various ways |
| 16:32.04 | flo` | double-check which size lvresize tells you. if it tells something like 20GB, then you might want to reboot another time. |
| 16:32.15 | Rydekull | nsadmin: he was doing this on a clone of his production system, so yeah, he will do it on his production system later, I suspect |
| 16:32.20 | nsadmin | you're going to have the whole 60g in one partition? |
| 16:32.25 | Rydekull | nsadmin: seems only logical |
| 16:32.26 | tremon | flo`: that only works if there is only one lv. -l +100%FREE would be my preferred incantation |
| 16:32.28 | kleanchap | How do you format from command line for a fat32 filesystem? |
| 16:32.34 | nsadmin | why use lvm? |
| 16:32.37 | flo` | tremon, true. |
| 16:32.48 | flo` | kleanchap, mkfs.vfat |
| 16:32.48 | nsadmin | I mean it's ok I guess |
| 16:32.56 | flo` | nsadmin, because it saves you from repartitioning |
| 16:33.02 | kleanchap | flo`, thnx |
| 16:33.09 | flo` | and it's really cool if you have an encrypted disk. one password vs thousands ;) |
| 16:33.12 | nsadmin | why would you need to repartition? :) |
| 16:33.17 | Rydekull | nsadmin: because it makes it really easy to handle disks? |
| 16:33.23 | nsadmin | or resize |
| 16:33.26 | Rydekull | nsadmin: stuff grow |
| 16:33.31 | nowhereFast | hmmm... |
| 16:33.39 | flo` | nsadmin, because sometimes, you need the proof that debian isn't the worst distro ;) |
| 16:33.41 | nowhereFast | /dev/sda2 exists |
| 16:33.44 | nowhereFast | but not sda5 |
| 16:33.59 | Turl | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/160215/ :) |
| 16:34.06 | tremon | nowhereFast: that's true, if you followed by procedure you no longer have an extended partition |
| 16:34.08 | flo` | nowhereFast, true. IIRC, you replaced your logical partition by a primary one |
| 16:34.13 | nsadmin | nowhereFast, right, remember you deleted it |
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| 16:34.16 | tremon | jinx |
| 16:34.24 | flo` | think of sda2 as sda5 |
| 16:34.37 | tremon | nowhereFast: check fdisk -u /dev/sda again |
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| 16:35.02 | jelly-home | Turl: patches within patches always make me sick |
| 16:35.16 | Turl | jelly-home: blame debdiff :) |
| 16:35.20 | nsadmin | or think of the new sda2 as the old sda2 with all the space added from the old sda5 |
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| 16:35.22 | nowhereFast | i see |
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| 16:35.26 | jelly-home | Turl: so it works? |
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| 16:35.55 | Turl | jelly-home: well I didn't test the actual video calls as I don't use the feature, but it built fine and installed fine :) |
| 16:35.58 | nowhereFast | so sda1 is there and sda2 which now has all the space it did not before |
| 16:36.01 | nsadmin | they're smooshed together... see Jersey Shore for definition of smoosh |
| 16:36.15 | jelly-home | Turl: good job, have a cookie! |
| 16:36.25 | Turl | jelly-home: :) |
| 16:36.38 | jelly-home | I still use skypes for my video. |
| 16:36.42 | Turl | jelly-home: should I file a bug with the debdiff or mail it to the maintainer or what's the prefered way? |
| 16:36.48 | flo` | cookies are only available on the dark side! |
| 16:36.50 | nowhereFast | now pvresize /dev/sda2? |
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| 16:37.03 | jelly-home | Turl: both end up in the same mailbox anyway |
| 16:37.05 | flo` | nowhereFast, yep |
| 16:37.06 | tremon | nods |
| 16:37.06 | nsadmin | you must mean oreos |
| 16:37.25 | jelly-home | Turl: I'd file a bug, attach the diff, Tag: patch |
| 16:37.26 | kleanchap | What is the NTFS files system #? |
| 16:37.41 | nowhereFast | and now man lvresize? |
| 16:37.43 | tremon | kleanchap: 7 iirc (windows data) |
| 16:37.44 | kleanchap | 7 or 86 or 87? |
| 16:37.46 | flo` | kleanchap, well, it's... ntfs. the windows thingy |
| 16:37.57 | flo` | definitely not 8x |
| 16:37.59 | flo` | i think 7 |
| 16:38.09 | nsadmin | yeah, I would recommend looking at that page |
| 16:38.09 | flo` | yep, 7 |
| 16:38.10 | kleanchap | thnx! |
| 16:38.20 | flo` | nowhereFast, this helps |
| 16:38.34 | flo` | but lvresize -l +100%FREE /path&to/volgroup should do |
| 16:38.47 | flo` | except you have multiple volgroups you want to increase differently. then man helps |
| 16:39.01 | flo` | oops sorry, not path/to/volgroup but to/logicalvolume |
| 16:39.14 | tremon | nowhereFast: you might want to check vgdisplay, see what the total VG size is |
| 16:39.27 | flo` | true |
| 16:39.48 | nsadmin | nowhereFast, curious, how comfortable are you right now? understand most of what happened? |
| 16:39.59 | nowhereFast | free space... 40gb |
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| 16:41.09 | nsadmin | the path to the lv should be /dev/vgname/lvname |
| 16:41.10 | nowhereFast | i get the jist of it, -the physical virtual disk got larger, we used fdisk to take the fences down and put them back up around the now larger property size |
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| 16:41.44 | Tom01 | Is a Radeon HD 6850 supported by Linux? |
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| 16:42.13 | tremon | Tom01: for certain values of supported, yes |
| 16:42.24 | flo` | nowhereFast, correct. now you told LVM that there's more space available |
| 16:42.31 | nsadmin | nowhereFast, right, they've recommended you do a single-partition install and it looks like that's what you got |
| 16:42.40 | flo` | you still need to lvresize to tell lvm that you want to USE the new space |
| 16:42.46 | flo` | and then resize your filesystem |
| 16:42.48 | flo` | (s) |
| 16:43.00 | Tom01 | tremon: With 2D/3D acceleration? |
| 16:43.15 | Rydekull | flo`: and then fix /etc/fstab |
| 16:43.22 | tremon | Tom01: open source drivers have good 2d acceleration and acceptable 3d performance |
| 16:43.35 | flo` | Rydekull, no? |
| 16:43.38 | Tom01 | tremon: that's good. thanks |
| 16:43.42 | Rydekull | flo`: sda2 to sda5? |
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| 16:43.47 | flo` | Rydekull, the /dev/SomeVolGroup/someVolName won't change |
| 16:43.47 | Rydekull | flo`: other way around? |
| 16:43.52 | Rydekull | oh, nevrrmind |
| 16:43.53 | tremon | Tom01: obviously catalyst is faster in 3d, but (stil?) has issues with 2d and suspend/resume |
| 16:43.53 | Rydekull | haha |
| 16:44.03 | nowhereFast | okay... we're resized |
| 16:44.05 | Rydekull | flo`: blond moment |
| 16:44.18 | nowhereFast | at least, -the vg now has access to wht was resized |
| 16:44.21 | nsadmin | just so ya know... this is a good way to go when you are the only admin on that virtual server or you trust all the other admins (or plain users) to not hog the space |
| 16:44.30 | flo` | nowhereFast, so, vgresize completed? |
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| 16:44.36 | flo` | you did pvresize AND vgresize? |
| 16:44.39 | VSpike | Hi! I have a server running debian and I want to serve up desktop sessions (terminal server style) to machines running XP in the simplest way possible... I remmeber seeing loads of articles in the past about doing this with VNC... |
| 16:44.40 | Tom01 | tremon: open source driver is great. |
| 16:44.44 | tremon | notes that vgname/lvname works just as fine as /dev/mapper/vgname-lvname |
| 16:44.57 | nowhereFast | pv then lv |
| 16:44.58 | nsadmin | why do you need vgresize? it has the one pv |
| 16:45.08 | jelly-home | flo`: there is no vgresize. |
| 16:45.15 | jelly-home | there is only zuul |
| 16:45.17 | flo` | meh, i meant lvresize, sorry |
| 16:45.23 | nowhereFast | :-j |
| 16:45.35 | nowhereFast | now just a reboot? |
| 16:45.39 | flo` | nowhereFast, no |
| 16:45.44 | Rydekull | no need to reboot |
| 16:45.44 | jelly-home | nowhereFast: no need for any further rebooting |
| 16:45.54 | flo` | (unless you use an ancient filesystem) |
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| 16:45.57 | nsadmin | no you don't need reboot (that's one advantage to lvm and resizing) |
| 16:46.00 | nicolaas | hello |
| 16:46.04 | flo` | nowhereFast, you did [x] pvresize and [x] lvresize? |
| 16:46.15 | flo` | did you do [ ] resize2fs as well? |
| 16:46.24 | VSpike | is that still the best way to do this? or are there other things that work better now? |
| 16:46.33 | jelly-home | nowhereFast: resize2fs works better when the fs is mounted. |
| 16:46.37 | tremon | nowhereFast: you haven't told us which filesystem you're using |
| 16:46.41 | nicolaas | what is the default window environnement on debian images ? Gnome ? |
| 16:46.45 | nowhereFast | vgdisplay reports 59.75Gb |
| 16:46.47 | nowhereFast | ^used |
| 16:46.47 | jelly-home | nicolaas: correct |
| 16:46.49 | VSpike | It's quite hard for me to install things on the XP machines, otherwise I'd consider using Cygwin X on them |
| 16:46.50 | flo` | jelly-home, it works _better_? |
| 16:46.53 | nowhereFast | allocated* |
| 16:46.56 | jelly-home | flo`: yes. |
| 16:47.00 | nowhereFast | ths is on ext4 |
| 16:47.01 | flo` | nowhereFast, when you probably have run lvresize ;) |
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| 16:47.06 | nicolaas | jelly-home: thank you ! |
| 16:47.12 | flo` | nowhereFast, then resize2fs /path/to/whatever/your/ext4/lives/on |
| 16:47.15 | nicolaas | jelly-home: gnome 3 ? |
| 16:47.15 | nsadmin | nowhereFast, sounds good... now look at df |
| 16:47.22 | flo` | this should be /path/to/logical/volume |
| 16:47.32 | jelly-home | nicolaas: no, there was no Gnome 3 at the time of the release in 2011 |
| 16:47.39 | flo` | resize2fs without parameters uses all available space, which is what you want. |
| 16:47.47 | flo` | jelly-home, why does it work _better_? |
| 16:47.49 | nowhereFast | resize2fs /dev/sda2? |
| 16:47.51 | nsadmin | my feeling is he's taking you thru this pretty fast |
| 16:47.54 | nicolaas | jelly-home: ok .. might be able to update it later |
| 16:48.03 | jelly-home | flo`: well... it doesn't nag about needing a fsck |
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| 16:48.18 | nsadmin | nowhereFast, df first |
| 16:48.22 | nowhereFast | resize2fs /dev/mapper/...? |
| 16:48.24 | VSpike | I've seen mention of a FOSS RDP server, but I've no idea if it's any good. Then there's FreeNX and X2go .. so just wondering if anyone has recent experience or advice for setting this up |
| 16:48.24 | nsadmin | just to see what it is now |
| 16:48.34 | flo` | nowhereFast, yes, given that you use the correct "..." |
| 16:48.40 | nowhereFast | heh |
| 16:48.42 | petemc | VSpike: i use nx from nomachine |
| 16:49.06 | flo` | nowhereFast, but resize2fs will complain, unless you don't use /dev/sda1 |
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| 16:49.08 | nowhereFast | performing online resize |
| 16:49.12 | flo` | using /dev/sda1 will just do nothing |
| 16:49.22 | jelly-home | nowhereFast: it takes some time. |
| 16:49.27 | flo` | nowhereFast, this is what you want. when completed, you're done. no need for a reboot |
| 16:49.29 | nowhereFast | right... because size has not changed? |
| 16:49.33 | flo` | true. |
| 16:49.50 | jelly-home | nowhereFast: you can watch df in a different shell and see the fs grow slowly |
| 16:49.52 | Turl | jelly-home: bug filled :) |
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| 16:49.57 | jelly-home | ... or fastly on a VM |
| 16:49.59 | nowhereFast | hahaHA |
| 16:50.05 | nowhereFast | df satisfaction |
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| 16:50.24 | Megaf | hi all, which package should I install to fix this? "Apache mod_rewrite:Not enabled" |
| 16:50.43 | petemc | Megaf: a2enmod rewrite |
| 16:50.44 | flo` | hrm. i want to overwrite 100GB because i migrate my unencrypted system into a luks container. i'm moderately paranoid, but have a slow machine and need my machine this week. |
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| 16:50.58 | flo` | so how can i overwrite these 100GB with random numbers in < 5h? |
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| 16:51.05 | jelly-home | Megaf: it's already there. |
| 16:51.10 | jelly-home | !tell Megaf about apache2 manual |
| 16:51.17 | flo` | /dev/random will complete in some thousends years. /dev/urandom needs still >2days |
| 16:51.22 | Megaf | cool, thanks a lot |
| 16:51.29 | flo` | /dev/zero would be fast enough, but not random enough |
| 16:51.37 | jelly-home | Megaf: for a start, zless /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz |
| 16:51.51 | nowhereFast | okay... |
| 16:51.51 | flo` | do you think i can safely create a luks with some random password, and write /dev/zero into that one? |
| 16:51.55 | jelly-home | Megaf: a2enmod is the tool you'll want to use |
| 16:51.58 | nowhereFast | the clone's done |
| 16:52.04 | nowhereFast | df reports 23% space used |
| 16:52.05 | petemc | flo`: why does it need to be random? |
| 16:52.09 | Megaf | jelly-home, yep, im just no used to a2enmod |
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| 16:52.26 | flo` | petemc, just out of paranoia. otherwise people can detect how much space i'm using without knowing the key. |
| 16:52.27 | nicolaas | jelly-home: is there a "debian server" version ? |
| 16:52.38 | nowhereFast | should cfdisk /dev/sda bring all partitions in sda up? |
| 16:52.50 | zykotick9 | nicolaas: not really. stable. |
| 16:53.00 | flo` | i don't need cryptographically secure random numbers, just something to not make it obvious which space is allocated and which isn't |
| 16:53.01 | nicolaas | zykotick9: ok thanks |
| 16:53.02 | jelly-home | nicolaas: no, it's an installer choice to installer all the desktop junk or not |
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| 16:53.14 | flo` | nowhereFast, i don't like cfdisk. it never worked properly for me |
| 16:53.24 | nowhereFast | it doesnt work now... |
| 16:53.24 | flo` | it probably "should", but from my experience, it doesn't always. |
| 16:53.29 | nowhereFast | i get a bad primary partition report |
| 16:53.42 | VSpike | Anyone tried x2go or xrdp? or neatx? |
| 16:53.46 | nicolaas | jelly-home: ok thank you |
| 16:53.48 | nowhereFast | partition ends in the final partial cylinder |
| 16:53.56 | jelly-home | ignore it, it's broken |
| 16:53.59 | tremon | flo`: /dev/urandom should never block. It should be as fast as reading from /dev/zero, I would think |
| 16:54.05 | nowhereFast | heh |
| 16:54.07 | nowhereFast | okay |
| 16:54.17 | flo` | tremon, nope. /dev/urandom still is computationally expensive |
| 16:54.31 | flo` | on a fast-enough machine, it doesn't block |
| 16:54.41 | flo` | on my slow machine, i'm only getting 1MB/s or less out of it. |
| 16:54.48 | Turl | flo`: zeros? |
| 16:54.49 | tremon | ah, the magic word is slow processor :) |
| 16:54.57 | flo` | yep. |
| 16:55.11 | flo` | but encrypting /dev/zero should work, right? |
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| 16:55.26 | flo` | i've tested, it gives me more than 20MB/s |
| 16:55.42 | nowhereFast | so now tht the clone worked, its production system time, -snapshot first and do it from a live disk or snapshot and do it as we just did? |
| 16:55.44 | flo` | just writing unencrypted /dev/zero gives me 30MB/s, so the speed tradeoff is moderate |
| 16:55.52 | nowhereFast | what say u? |
| 16:56.15 | nsadmin | nowhereFast, what you -could- do is use the thing you have now |
| 16:56.19 | tremon | flo`: I've just tried, urandom gives me 11MB/s and zero gives me 5,5GB/s... :( |
| 16:56.36 | Rydekull | nsadmin: probably not, the changes that's been made to the system makes it usless |
| 16:56.36 | nsadmin | promote it to production, demote the original to staging |
| 16:56.39 | flo` | tremon, i'm writing to a slow laptop disk |
| 16:56.50 | nowhereFast | cant, -things have changed on the production system since i cloned |
| 16:56.51 | Turl | flo`: dd your / over and over? :) |
| 16:56.53 | nsadmin | hmm. ok |
| 16:57.01 | nsadmin | aha |
| 16:57.03 | Turl | or some other unencrypted partition |
| 16:57.08 | flo` | faster than my cpu can generate urandom numbers, but slower than zero gives me zeroes ;) |
| 16:57.10 | tremon | flo`: but if you're limited by the speed of the disk, it shouldn't matter if you use zero or urandom |
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| 16:57.24 | flo` | hrm i could use my windows partition ;) |
| 16:57.31 | flo` | but that's still attackable |
| 16:57.40 | nsadmin | you need to be careful when you do this to production. I would recommend scheduled downtime |
| 16:57.49 | tremon | flo`: convert it now, then use cronjobs to shred the unused space? |
| 16:58.04 | flo` | similar to "if the data looks somehow valid, e.g. a NTFS file table, or some windows file, then this is free space", "if it's random stuff, it's used" |
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| 16:58.28 | Turl | flo`: dd your encrypted data? :) |
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| 16:58.56 | nowhereFast | hmmm... |
| 16:58.59 | nowhereFast | okay |
| 16:59.07 | Megaf | "php.ini display_errors:Enabled (Recommended to be disabled)" hm, but it is disabled |
| 16:59.26 | tremon | Turl: that might actually work. dd xMB from urandom, then duplicate that across the disk |
| 16:59.34 | nowhereFast | thank u all, -lesson appreciated |
| 16:59.49 | Megaf | display_errors = Off |
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| 17:00.24 | nsadmin | and during that scheduled downtime, you bring the production down so that no changes can be made, clone (to back up), then do the fdisk thing to expand the partiton and reboot, and do all those steps you did |
| 17:00.30 | Rydekull | nowhereFast: next time, just add a new virtual disk and add it to the vg, resize stuff and you're set, no reboot at all :-P |
| 17:00.31 | flo` | tremon, no: "if the data is repeating in x-byte-steps, then this is free space" |
| 17:00.45 | nsadmin | if you screw up just recopy from the clone and start over |
| 17:01.21 | flo` | nsadmin, even better: let some space free on the LVM, create a snapshot and back that snapshot up. this allows for backups without bringing the system down |
| 17:01.24 | tremon | flo`: it's either that or leave your laptop running for a few weeks. How about using netcat from a faster computer? |
| 17:01.49 | nowhereFast | heh |
| 17:01.52 | flo` | tremon, but encrypting /dev/zero should do, right? |
| 17:02.09 | flo` | this creates pseudorandom numbers, and creates them FAST. |
| 17:02.20 | flo` | (though not as good as /dev/urandom) |
| 17:02.20 | tremon | flo`: no. Once your attacker figures out you've filled it with zeroes, he knows the encryption key |
| 17:02.46 | flo` | i'm encrypting the zeroes with a different key than my valiuable data |
| 17:02.56 | flo` | first pass: encrypt zeroes with "password" |
| 17:03.12 | flo` | second pass: encrypt my data with "superS3cretPassWORD$#" |
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| 17:03.25 | nsadmin | if he's going to change what he did, he needs (1) to understand the changes, (2) understand the purpose of the whole procedure including the changes, and approve those changes |
| 17:04.06 | tremon | flo`: how will you do the first encryption? luks always creates a fixed-size encryption key from your passphrase, so encryptng with a simple password will not be faster than with a complex one |
| 17:04.22 | flo` | nsadmin, he understood at least parts of it. though applying learned knowledge the first time shouldn't be on a production system ;) |
| 17:04.40 | nsadmin | so he said... but now you're proposing changes |
| 17:04.51 | flo` | tremon, true. but i KNOW that "encrypt /dev/zero with luks" gives me 20MB/s |
| 17:04.52 | tremon | nowhereFast: save a session log :) |
| 17:04.54 | nsadmin | which he may very well already understand |
| 17:04.58 | foxtrot9 | does debian work with AMD's APU? as both cpu and graphics wise. |
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| 17:05.25 | tremon | foxtrot9: not sure about current stable gpu-wize, but testing works fine |
| 17:05.36 | tremon | s/z/s/ |
| 17:05.47 | foxtrot9 | tremon interesting |
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| 17:06.13 | flo` | is there a way to find out how long an already-running process is running? |
| 17:06.21 | foxtrot9 | flo` top |
| 17:06.21 | flo` | in "real-world-time"; not cpu-time |
| 17:06.37 | flo` | foxtrot9, how? |
| 17:06.44 | flo` | i only see the cpu-used-time |
| 17:06.50 | foxtrot9 | or ps -fu |
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| 17:08.01 | SNow | hey guys, how can I put porxy, on .pl script, which is working via crontab, without touching the .pl itself? |
| 17:08.18 | Rydekull | come again? |
| 17:08.29 | SNow | export http_proxy doesn't want to work with perl script.pl |
| 17:08.36 | SNow | but wget is fine |
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| 17:09.19 | infinity0 | can someone test something on iceweasel for me please |
| 17:09.43 | flo` | _now_ it's time to sacrify a goat |
| 17:10.11 | flo` | will now nuke his existing system, replay the backup into an encrypted container and pray that it'll work |
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| 17:11.28 | tremon | flo`: ps has etime for "elapsed time since process was started" |
| 17:11.50 | flo` | kay, thanks |
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| 17:13.25 | foxtrot9 | whats the purpose of an encrypted lvm? i'll ask google |
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| 17:14.02 | HideMe | Can anyone suggest a doc that shows me how to turn dir colours on for root? |
| 17:14.03 | flo` | foxtrot9, hrm, let's guess... to hide your data from other people? |
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| 17:14.16 | nsadmin | combines features of encryption with features of lvm |
| 17:14.24 | flo` | and to only have ONE encrypted container with one password for many volumes? |
| 17:14.37 | nsadmin | HideMe, sure... man bash |
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| 17:14.47 | nsadmin | or rather man ls |
| 17:14.59 | vlt | HideMe: There should be an example line in your .bashrc you need to uncomment. |
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| 17:17.58 | flo` | how can i make my initrd use the german keymap? |
| 17:18.22 | infinity0 | https://mango.gnome.org/ try to log into that with a fake user/pass then click "yes" when prompted to store the password, then reload the page and see if it autocompletes the password |
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| 17:19.42 | nancy-- | vhttp://pastebin.com/EfFLn92z any help with permission for apache ? |
| 17:19.49 | flo` | infinity0, it doesn't here on squeeze |
| 17:20.03 | infinity0 | ah thanks |
| 17:20.10 | infinity0 | flo`: can you try the same thing with bitbucket.org |
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| 17:21.08 | flo` | infinity0, it autocompletes there |
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| 17:21.16 | infinity0 | cool thanks :) |
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| 17:21.24 | flo` | however, on the first page, i clicked "store password" before the "login failed" page came |
| 17:21.33 | flo` | on the second, i clicked it afterwards (because it loaded faster) |
| 17:21.37 | infinity0 | ah that shouldn't matter |
| 17:23.02 | Rydekull | nancy--: ps -ef | grep apa ; ls -ld /var /var/www /var/www/admin /var/www/index.php /var/www/favicon.ico |
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| 17:27.19 | nancy-- | Rydekull, root 12778 11572 0 17:26 pts/0 00:00:00 grep --color=auto apa |
| 17:27.20 | nancy-- | ls: cannot access /var/www/admin: No such file or directory |
| 17:27.20 | nancy-- | ls: cannot access /var/www/index.php: No such file or directory |
| 17:27.20 | nancy-- | ls: cannot access /var/www/favicon.ico: No such file or directory |
| 17:27.20 | nancy-- | drwxr-xr-x 13 root root 4096 2012-03-14 21:49 /var |
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| 17:27.31 | tremon | Rydekull: tsk tsk |
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| 17:27.46 | Rydekull | tremon: what? |
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| 17:27.59 | tremon | poor nancy |
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| 17:28.09 | Rydekull | tremon: it was smart enough to use pastebin in the start, I'd asume it'd continue with it |
| 17:28.16 | tremon | :) |
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| 17:28.27 | JPT | i've got some issues to remove a package with a broken pre-removal-hook. is there a way to tell dpkg to ignore that hook? |
| 17:28.59 | tremon | JPT: remove the file or chmod -x (/var/lib/dpkg/info/pkg.prerm) |
| 17:29.13 | JPT | okay, i'll try that :) |
| 17:29.57 | Rydekull | heh |
| 17:30.31 | JPT | thanks :) |
| 17:31.22 | fdoving | JPT: it's generally not recommended to do that, the prerm and postrm scripts are there for a reason. I would recommend to re-install the package, or some how fix the problem, instead of dropping the whole script. it's usually trying to clean up after itself. |
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| 17:32.54 | JPT | well, the issue is, that the python script of "python-apt" just throws some error and that way, i cannot remove it |
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| 17:34.04 | Rydekull | JPT: the script seems small enough, debug it |
| 17:34.42 | fdoving | JPT: i would recommend to try to fix that error, but that's just me. :) |
| 17:34.47 | Iridos | don't forget to write a bug-report on it afterwards |
| 17:35.06 | JPT | i'm not that experienced with python :/ |
| 17:35.18 | Iridos | well, just nulling borking {pre,post}{install,rm} scripts when you can't be bothered is commmond practice, though |
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| 17:35.21 | Rydekull | JPT: it isnt written in python, its normal shell |
| 17:35.23 | Iridos | dpkg, postinstall |
| 17:35.24 | dpkg | During package installation, dpkg runs a script called "preinst", unpacks the .deb, then runs "postinst". When removing, it runs "prerm", deletes the files and then runs "postrm". These scripts can be found in /var/lib/dpkg/info/$package.{pre,post}{inst,rm}; as a last resort to fixing packaging problems, you can edit the script, e.g. by making the second line "exit 0" of a shell script. http://wiki.debian.org/MaintainerScripts |
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| 17:35.46 | injureddeer | how exec something in debian at shutdown? |
| 17:35.52 | Iridos | ha, that factoid changed |
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| 17:37.10 | valdyn | injureddeer: like what? |
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| 17:42.02 | Rydekull | injureddeer: man update-rc.d |
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| 17:46.19 | medeman | hey there, is there a place where i can download debian 2 (hamm) floppy images? |
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| 17:47.14 | Rydekull | http://mirror.debianforum.de/debian-iso-archive/hamm/ |
| 17:47.19 | Rydekull | not the floppies, but yeah |
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| 17:48.44 | injureddeer | Rydekull: how? |
| 17:48.50 | injureddeer | valdyn: before system halt |
| 17:48.59 | medeman | Rydekull: i found them here: http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-2.1/main/disks-i386/ ; thank you! |
| 17:48.59 | nancy-- | Rydekull, sory. i was disconnected |
| 17:49.01 | nancy-- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:50.12 | ikonia | !ops | nancy-- banned from other channelks |
| 17:50.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ikonia complains about: | nancy-- banned from other channelks |
| 17:50.20 | ikonia | nancy--: you are NOT using debian - you are using Ubuntu |
| 17:50.46 | ikonia | nancy--: you have been told to stop messing around in #ubuntu #ubuntu-server #bind #dns #httpd - so why are you now telling lies in this channel |
| 17:50.54 | nancy-- | isnt it the same thing? |
| 17:51.06 | nancy-- | ok.. |
| 17:51.18 | Rydekull | injureddeer: just like I said, man update-rc.d |
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| 17:51.40 | nancy-- | ikonia, thx for the hospitality. |
| 17:51.41 | ikonia | nancy--: what channel did I tell you to get help in ? |
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| 17:52.04 | RichiH | shrug |
| 17:52.05 | RichiH | s |
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| 17:53.06 | Rydekull | medeman: great |
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| 17:57.51 | Iridos | I'm at a loss why pidgin in wheezy/testing suddenly has a network-manager dependency at all |
| 17:58.09 | Iridos | or why libpurple0 conflicts with network-manager <<0.9 |
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| 17:59.44 | Iridos | (even after reading bug 642199) |
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| 18:01.20 | bdheeman | hello :) |
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| 18:03.25 | bdheeman | anyone out there successfully build latest or 0.2.5 unity-greeter for debian |
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| 18:05.05 | Iridos | no |
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| 18:07.16 | Iridos | guess now I'll find out why there was a conflict with network-manager... I removed it and nearly finished compiling |
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| 18:08.56 | Iridos | there's no unity in debian... we're all divided |
| 18:09.21 | Rydekull | divide and conquer |
| 18:09.51 | Iridos | I was just trying to come up with something clever to say along those lines... but refrained because I couldn't think of any :P |
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| 18:10.46 | Iridos | actually there's no unity in debian, but there's ITP bug #609278 |
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| 18:18.13 | dimitri7 | ok |
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| 18:22.32 | bdheeman | Iridos: life is like that |
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| 18:37.05 | injureddeer | how exec something in debian at shutdown? |
| 18:37.25 | Rydekull | injureddeer: just like I said, man update-rc.d |
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| 18:40.39 | injureddeer | Rydekull: man is not aswer |
| 18:40.48 | injureddeer | there is no example what look what i am looking for |
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| 18:41.08 | injureddeer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.09 | injureddeer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.09 | injureddeer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.11 | injureddeer | dont understand it |
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| 18:44.15 | Rydekull | injureddeer: "how exec something in debian at shutdown?" is not a proper question then. I told you how to do it, it says in that manpage |
| 18:44.33 | Rydekull | injureddeer: But you have not asked a proper question |
| 18:46.07 | themill | injureddeer: what are you really trying to do? |
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| 18:52.25 | Big_Brother | can i set up debian to use pacman instead? |
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| 18:52.47 | valdyn | Big_Brother: isnt pacman the arch linux package manager? |
| 18:52.51 | fahi | injureddeer: this is what I'm using (which works analogous to rc.local): http://paste.debian.net/160243/ ... needs to be symlinked to /etc/rc0.d/K01... and requires rc.local.shutdown to be executable |
| 18:52.56 | Big_Brother | valdyn: yes. |
| 18:53.03 | valdyn | Big_Brother: no you cant |
| 18:53.09 | Big_Brother | valdyn: :( |
| 18:53.31 | valdyn | Big_Brother: might aswell use arch when you want to use pacman |
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| 18:54.18 | Big_Brother | valdyn: i've been trying arch. I completely fucked it up when i tried updating... after 3 months of not updating. |
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| 18:55.42 | Rydekull | Big_Brother: why would you want pacman then? |
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| 18:56.04 | Big_Brother | Rydekull: it felt easier to use than apt. |
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| 18:56.25 | Rydekull | Big_Brother: perhaps we can help you with your annoyance if you say what "felt easier"? |
| 18:56.53 | valdyn | its pretty easy to fuck up debian though, you dont even need to learn apt-get ;) |
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| 18:57.19 | lico | ciao |
| 18:57.25 | lico | !list |
| 18:57.25 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
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| 18:58.24 | Big_Brother | Rydekull: 'pacman -Ss' search for a package, 'pacman -Syu' update repos and installed packages, 'pacman -Su' update all installed packages. I used debian for about 2 years. don't know how to do any of that in debian. |
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| 18:59.16 | valdyn | Big_Brother: apt-cache search <packagename>; apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:59.28 | valdyn | Big_Brother: why are you to lazy to read the manpage? |
| 18:59.48 | Big_Brother | valdyn: that's a lot of typing there. |
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| 19:00.00 | valdyn | Big_Brother: so? |
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| 19:00.23 | Big_Brother | valdyn: bloody lazy, i am. |
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| 19:01.35 | valdyn | Big_Brother: alias au="apt-get update" ; alias ad="apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 19:01.46 | valdyn | but this cant be serious |
| 19:02.03 | Rydekull | Big_Brother: aptitude search <package name>, aptitude update;aptitude upgrade, aptitude dist-upgrade, aptitude install <package name>, aptitude remove <package name>, aptitude hold <package name> |
| 19:02.10 | Rydekull | Big_Brother: all easy to remember |
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| 19:03.44 | Big_Brother | Rydekull: perhaps. |
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| 19:06.41 | Rydekull | Big_Brother: im curious, im not asking to point and laugh, but, how did you fuck arch up when updating it? |
| 19:06.45 | Rydekull | Big_Brother: seems a bit... bad |
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| 19:09.09 | Big_Brother | Rydekull: there was something about pacman that depended on it using a specific version before updating pacman itself. i updated pacman prior to the dependent package and pacman doesn't recognize any signatures anymore. at all. there's a signature recognition option to disable to fix this but i'm tired of having to update everything everytime i need something else installed. |
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| 19:13.31 | KM0201 | so.. i had kind of a radical idea... i'm still trying to install ushare on my OMV box.. (which is based on squeeze).. would there be a way to do a clean install of OMV, move a complete listing of ubuntu repositories(what version??) to OMV, install ushare, then change my source list back to debian, and update the system? |
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| 19:13.42 | Iridos | Big_Brother, are you saying "-Syu" is easier to remember than "update"? |
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| 19:14.48 | waldvogel | -Syu = cu ;0 |
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| 19:16.32 | KM0201 | no comments, even to tell me i'm an idiot? |
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| 19:16.47 | Rydekull | Sure, I can do that |
| 19:16.49 | Rydekull | :-P |
| 19:17.12 | Iridos | do you insist on that? |
| 19:17.28 | Iridos | what's omv |
| 19:17.43 | Rydekull | KM0201: basically, I dont know what OMV is, nor ushare |
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| 19:18.14 | Iridos | oh, but we got a factoid on mixing |
| 19:18.16 | Iridos | ha |
| 19:18.22 | Iridos | seems he didn't wait for it |
| 19:18.35 | Iridos | basically it says he's an idiot, though :P |
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| 19:18.42 | KM0201 | sorry |
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| 19:18.54 | Iridos | dpkg, mixing |
| 19:18.54 | dpkg | i heard mixing distros is a bad idea. Running Ubuntu packages on Debian systems (or vice-versa) causes problems with package naming and versioning. Don't expect anybody to help you with your system if you do this. |
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| 19:19.02 | Rydekull | dont worry, we called you an idiot while you were away :-) |
| 19:19.07 | Iridos | hehe |
| 19:19.34 | Iridos | also |
| 19:19.37 | Iridos | dpkg, frankendebian |
| 19:19.37 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince #linux to help. |
| 19:20.01 | foxtrot9 | I just installed debian on my desktop, it seems grub installed itself in the wrong place, now it says reboot and select proper boot device when i reboot |
| 19:20.44 | Iridos | KM0201, that said, stuff like that is obviously possible, else it would need no warning that it can cause a lot of problems |
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| 19:20.45 | Iridos | :D |
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| 19:21.10 | KM0201 | well, i can't understand why debians repos seem so freaking empty |
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| 19:21.20 | Iridos | they do?! |
| 19:21.23 | KM0201 | just strikes me as odd a popular app like ushare isn't there. |
| 19:21.27 | Rydekull | KM0201: debian has one of the largest, if not the largest, repo around |
| 19:21.33 | KM0201 | Rydekull: bul |
| 19:21.37 | Iridos | 40000 packages is empty? |
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| 19:22.29 | KM0201 | 38000 of which are useless |
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| 19:22.59 | johnfg | hey guys |
| 19:23.14 | waldvogel | i'm trying to find a backup solution with deduplication any hints? bup looks nice but isn't mature yet |
| 19:23.21 | Iridos | KM0201, feel free to package additional ones according to the maintainer guide, though |
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| 19:23.30 | johnfg | I've got a messed up partition, and not sure if fsck is going to be able to fix it. Is there anything else out there that could do the job? |
| 19:23.48 | waldvogel | johnfg: first try fsck? |
| 19:23.56 | KM0201 | Iridos: thus the point... if i could do that, i would, but compiling it from source is a pain, you end up in dependency hell. |
| 19:23.59 | Iridos | waldvogel, "deduplication"? |
| 19:24.09 | Rydekull | KM0201: Debians package repository is one of the reasons many other distros spawn from debian |
| 19:24.24 | Rydekull | KM0201: So, I think you need to revise your world view there a little :-) |
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| 19:24.31 | KM0201 | Rydekull: not at all. |
| 19:24.35 | Rydekull | KM0201: yet, I standby my silent wonder, what is ushare? |
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| 19:24.43 | KM0201 | lol |
| 19:24.44 | fahi | Iridos: removing duplicate data blocks on the fly like ZFS for example |
| 19:24.51 | waldvogel | Iridos: yeah, data is "chunked" and it doesn't save redundant stuff |
| 19:25.03 | Iridos | ah |
| 19:26.04 | somiaj | considering ushare has stoped development, there is probabaly little chance it will make it into debian at this point. mediatomb is another option, but it to is undergoing some strange issues (probabaly due to development) as it was removed and then put back in sid recentally. |
| 19:26.21 | Rydekull | KM0201: just out of curiosity, which disto would you say have a better repository? You seem to be very decided in your mind |
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| 19:26.37 | paese | Someone willing to explain me how to achieve that I am unsuccessfully trying for two hours? I simply want to forward with iptables.. http://pastebin.com/mxNE2p9N |
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| 19:27.06 | foxtrot9 | how do I reinstall grub? during install the debain installer put it in sda, but the boot drive is sdc, now it won't boot |
| 19:27.07 | Iridos | waldvogel, dunno then... I liked rsnapshot, because you just get an rsync of your disk, the complete tree... and it hard-links files that haven't changed... (so it's extremely simple, yet efficient) but you want something that saves even more diskspace |
| 19:27.39 | waldvogel | Iridos: for example, backuppc does this: "A clever pooling scheme minimizes disk storage and disk I/O. Identical files across multiple backups of the same or different PCs are stored only once resulting in substantial savings in disk storage and disk I/O." but it's not as efficient as real deduplication |
| 19:28.00 | somiaj | !tell foxtrot9 about fixgrub |
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| 19:28.11 | fahi | waldvogel: I can also recommend duplicity, rdiff-backup and rsnapshot if you require a home user backup solution, but I don't think the support dedup |
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| 19:28.20 | valdyn | waldvogel: theres nothing unreal about what backuppc does |
| 19:28.26 | KM0201 | sorry, missed that last question. |
| 19:28.37 | somiaj | waldvogel: rdiff-backup is a nice tool, but due to making all the diffs it is slow. |
| 19:28.48 | waldvogel | Iridos: yeah, rsnapshot is nice, but if you have 100 servers that contain more or less the same stuff you want something that can save more space and time |
| 19:28.53 | KM0201 | somiaj: yeah, if mediatomb would work properly, i wouldn't care about ushare. |
| 19:29.03 | KM0201 | but it is exibiting some strange behaviors |
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| 19:29.19 | bunny69 | is it possible to forward a subdomain to a specific port? (not IP, just port) |
| 19:29.25 | Rydekull | no |
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| 19:29.29 | somiaj | KM0201: there is nothing saying you cannot compile and install ushare in /usr/local (debian actually works well with stuff like that). But this is of course not supported by debian |
| 19:29.34 | bunny69 | :( |
| 19:29.37 | valdyn | bunny69: we had that already |
| 19:29.44 | Rydekull | bunny69: face is fact, doesnt work by asking again |
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| 19:29.51 | somiaj | KM0201: and due to ushare saying they have discontiuned development, it doesn't seem like somehting debian will adbot. |
| 19:29.54 | KM0201 | somiaj: as i said before though, i ended up in freaking dependency hell trying to compile it |
| 19:29.59 | fahi | waldvogel: ZFS does network backup and ZFS does dedup, but this probably only works if your servers are using ZFS too |
| 19:30.05 | bunny69 | i'm still trying, valdyn... |
| 19:30.09 | somiaj | KM0201: I haven't ahd much trouble with mediatomb, but I rarely use it. |
| 19:30.19 | valdyn | bunny69: when we say "impossible" that does not mean we mean "we don't know how" |
| 19:30.25 | bunny69 | he he |
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| 19:31.08 | valdyn | bunny69: to hard is a common answer, youre lucky that you want something that has a clear impossible as answer |
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| 19:31.33 | Iridos | "lucky" :) |
| 19:31.39 | waldvogel | fahi: yes, they are ext3 |
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| 19:32.34 | Iridos | valdyn, at least, it's a DEFINITE answer *g* |
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| 19:32.49 | valdyn | Iridos: yea, exactly |
| 19:33.13 | bunny69 | valdyn, Rydekull: http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30775 <--this guy failed at it as well ;) and that's the exact thing |
| 19:33.40 | bunny69 | i will damn pay for a subnet then... |
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| 19:34.16 | Rydekull | bunny69: Have you read the last post? :-P |
| 19:34.30 | bunny69 | yes :) |
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| 19:35.07 | merethan | Hi all |
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| 19:36.25 | bunny69 | it's just so hard to accept that something isn't doable |
| 19:36.32 | merethan | Is changing squeeze to wheezy in sources.list enough, or is there any more pre-work needed to make things go smooth? |
| 19:36.46 | Iridos | Rydekull, well, apache and other webservers does it... so all he has to do is to adjust the protocol and rewrite the networking stuff of the game... |
| 19:36.48 | bunny69 | so far i can hardly recall such thing from the past |
| 19:36.57 | valdyn | bunny69: users cant set a port in cs btw? |
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| 19:37.55 | Rydekull | Iridos: ... and all I need to do to fly to the moon is figure out how to build a rocket |
| 19:38.18 | Iridos | Rydekull, and get the money together to actually do it. Exactly. |
| 19:38.27 | Iridos | it's all a matter of putting some effort into it :D |
| 19:38.29 | Rydekull | Iridos: involved in the part of figure it out |
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| 19:38.42 | Iridos | and that doesn't mean googling "rocket" for a week and asking people if they build you one |
| 19:38.42 | rug | Howdy all |
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| 19:39.44 | xingu | Iridos: it also doesn't mean wishing really, really hard for a surprise delivery of rocket fuel. :) |
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| 19:40.03 | bunny69 | valdyn sure they can but i just wanted it to look nicer but then i realised it made no sense... because the client can't really know which port to connect to unless they tell it... |
| 19:40.06 | Rydekull | KM0201: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Linux_distributions#Package_management_and_installation |
| 19:40.13 | Rydekull | KM0201: just for reference :-) |
| 19:40.24 | KM0201 | Rydekull: i'm well aware of that |
| 19:40.30 | bunny69 | valdyn SRV record was closest i came up with |
| 19:41.01 | Iridos | bunny69, so rejoice, it's not impossible, just needs a major rewrite of the game in question |
| 19:41.18 | bunny69 | yes :) |
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| 19:41.43 | Rydekull | KM0201: and, every disto mentioned there above 28k is based on debian, infact, every above 23k(except gentoo) is aswell |
| 19:41.50 | KM0201 | so? |
| 19:41.52 | Iridos | bunny69, nuffin you cannot do within one year of programming |
| 19:41.56 | Rug | What is a good command to generate an x-window (gtk, or qt4, I don't care) 'sudo' prompt from a script? I have a startup script (Fluxbox) and I need to run 'mount -a' but need to have sudo password prompt showup. |
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| 19:42.21 | KM0201 | you're telling me because it uses a if i put a porche engine in a dodge dart.. it's still a dodge dart |
| 19:42.34 | bunny69 | Iridos in fact i could cut a quick, dirty loader in few hours or less... |
| 19:42.42 | Rydekull | KM0201: I wonder, what makes you say that debian doesnt have a large package repository |
| 19:42.47 | valdyn | Rug: that doesnt sound right, you want to do something silly to achieve something that can probably be done in a proper way |
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| 19:44.07 | foxtrotniner | !tell foxtrotniner about fixgrub |
| 19:44.45 | somiaj | Rug: why do you need to run mount -a when you log into fluxbox? Why aren't th emount points mouted correctly on boot up from /etc/fstab? |
| 19:44.51 | Rug | valdyn: the wifi can't auto-connect until I provide a password, so my /etc/fstab doesn't connect my nfs mounts. So I need to script " sudo mount -a " after the system (Fluxbox) has logged in |
| 19:44.52 | Iridos | foxtrotniner, you can also just do /msg dpkg fixgrub |
| 19:44.53 | OldParr | i want to program synaptics to download and installs all updates, is it possible? |
| 19:44.56 | nyingen | if I select text in a graphical app, like iceweasel, I can paste it into the terminal with shift-insert. But this doesn't work going the other way (from terminal to X app). Any ideas? This is wheezy. |
| 19:45.06 | Rug | somiaj: nfs mounts over wifi |
| 19:45.19 | Big_Brother | Iridos: yes |
| 19:45.48 | valdyn | Rug: ok, instead of prompting for a password you want to configure sudo so it does not prompt your for a password to mount -a |
| 19:45.56 | Iridos | Big_Brother, you must be the only one who feels so, then |
| 19:46.01 | Rug | valdyn: ok |
| 19:46.15 | xingu | Rug: alternatively see the "user" mount option - for the corresponding fstab field. |
| 19:46.18 | valdyn | Rug: then theres autofs, but im not familiar with it |
| 19:46.27 | Big_Brother | Iridos: -Syu is for repo and all package updates. |
| 19:46.31 | valdyn | Rug: oh yea, the "users" option is better |
| 19:46.44 | Rydekull | users option is what i'd go for |
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| 19:46.50 | valdyn | Rug: just dont mount -a then, but mount the specific filesystems |
| 19:46.50 | Rug | man mount then and grok for users? |
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| 19:47.09 | Rug | valdyn: ok |
| 19:47.15 | valdyn | Rug: user or users, they are different but should both work for you |
| 19:47.34 | valdyn | Rug: the difference is important if your system has multiple users |
| 19:47.36 | Rug | But it's in the 'mount'command correct? |
| 19:47.45 | valdyn | Rug: man mount, yes |
| 19:47.56 | Rug | valdyn: ok thanks. Thanks everybody |
| 19:48.18 | OldParr | i want to program synaptics to automatically download and installs all updates, is it possible? |
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| 19:48.51 | fdoving | OldParr: you can do that with apt directly. |
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| 19:49.04 | Rug | OldParr: how about a cronjob with: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:49.21 | valdyn | there already is a few packages doing this |
| 19:49.28 | valdyn | no need to create a broken cronjob |
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| 19:49.42 | Rydekull | OldParr: rephrased: You want your system to automatically download and install updates periodically |
| 19:49.44 | Rug | ok sorry |
| 19:49.58 | somiaj | OldParr: not the best of ideas, sometimes some interaction is needed. Also what version of debian are you running? |
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| 19:50.16 | Bifrost | anyone seen a problem with using Debian 6.0 in Virtualbox and not recognizing the sata disks properly? |
| 19:50.26 | valdyn | cron-apt, apticron, however the synaptic user might be better served by "unattended-upgrades" |
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| 19:50.57 | OldParr | somiaj: i am using gnome 2.30.2 |
| 19:51.09 | somiaj | OldParr: that isn't a version of debian. |
| 19:51.27 | Bifrost | http://www.minions.com/~bifrost/derpian.dmesg <- dmesg output. shows disk there, but not recognized. |
| 19:51.33 | s70rm | 2 is ver. of squeeze |
| 19:51.49 | OldParr | i forgot how to get the version of my debian |
| 19:52.27 | Slurby | OldParr: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:52.27 | Rydekull | Bifrost: using testing-installer? :-P |
| 19:52.45 | Bifrost | eh? |
| 19:52.48 | Rydekull | Bifrost: Use the stable version and upgrade to testing. The testing-installer has some weird error with sd_mod |
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| 19:52.57 | Bifrost | ohh |
| 19:53.07 | johnfg | Sorry, was eatin Sunday dinner. |
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| 19:53.09 | somiaj | OldParr: most likely stable and squeeze, so less likely to have an issue with automatic updates, but I still woudln't suggest having them install them automatically. I tool that dowloands the updates and then prompts you to install them will probabaly be better. |
| 19:53.09 | OldParr | Linux version 2.6.32-5-686 (Debian 2.6.32-41) (ben@decadent.org.uk) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) ) #1 SMP Mon Jan 16 16:04:25 UTC 2012 |
| 19:53.30 | johnfg | Am running fsck right now, but it stopped previously. |
| 19:53.41 | somiaj | Slurby: that isn't a very descriptitive method to deterain debian version, apt-cache policy && apt-cache policy libc6 are nice. |
| 19:54.38 | Rydekull | lsb_release -a :-) |
| 19:54.48 | Rydekull | or just, -d |
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| 19:55.26 | OldParr | somiaj: i have one year with debian and sinatyp had never needed interaction with me to update, i did not know it was sometimes required |
| 19:55.50 | Rydekull | synaptic* |
| 19:56.07 | TheWarden | Hi, I'm trying to install Oracle Java 1.7 JRE 64-bit and after I have it installed I tried doing java -version and I get "bash: /usr/bin/java: cannot execute binary file" |
| 19:56.08 | valdyn | OldParr: yet somehow you did update |
| 19:56.11 | TheWarden | how do I fix this> |
| 19:56.16 | TheWarden | ? |
| 19:56.22 | somiaj | OldParr: on debian stable interaction isn't needed most the time (since you only get security/bug updates). |
| 19:56.47 | valdyn | OldParr: so maybe you already have an automatic update mechanism running |
| 19:56.50 | TheWarden | I didn't think it would be hard to install but I can't seem to figure this out. I've searched online but haven't found a solution. |
| 19:57.07 | OldParr | somiaj: i think i have stable |
| 19:57.13 | Bifrost | oh, interesting, it was the old installer. |
| 19:57.57 | somiaj | TheWarden: ls -l /usr/bin/java && ls -l /etc/alternatives/java |
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| 19:58.22 | valdyn | pretty sure he broke debians java by using oracles installer? |
| 19:58.23 | somiaj | TheWarden: and hopefully the oracle installer placed java in /usr/local (so it doesn't conflict with debian packages). |
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| 19:58.54 | OldParr | valdyn: no i have nothing automatic on that, i allways take the job by hand when the systems notices me |
| 19:59.04 | somiaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.14 | valdyn | OldParr: apt-get install unattended-upgrades |
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| 20:01.08 | Rydekull | heh |
| 20:01.22 | phorce1_home | 2 questions. Any benefit to moving to kernel 3.x now (in squeeze rather than waiting for wheezy freeze) and, any benefit, other than RAM access, to running a 64bit kernel? I'm putting together a media server to feed various boxes at the house (PS3, xBox360, old xBox runing XBMC, etc). It's not a critical machine so I can 'play' a bit. |
| 20:02.06 | somiaj | phorce1_home: 3.x is just renamed 2.6.40 (And onward) so there isn't a major difference, just standard slow develoment of adding more/better device support. |
| 20:02.35 | somiaj | phorce1_home: there are -pae (or -bigmem) kernels so you can run a 32bit kernel with over 4gigs of ram |
| 20:03.03 | OldParr | valdyn: unattended-upgrades works only with security upgrades does it works for bugs too ? |
| 20:03.25 | valdyn | OldParr: bugs are not fixed in debian stable |
| 20:03.34 | Rydekull | OldParr: there are no bugs(just kidding), but what valdyn said |
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| 20:03.44 | somiaj | phorce1_home: as for advatnages/disavantages, 32bit will be easier to use (espically if want to run applications that only have 32bit support). Though some applications will run slightly to modertally faster on a 64bit machines. |
| 20:03.57 | TheWarden | somiaj: ahhh okay maybe I did this wrong then. I put jre in /usr/lib/jvm/jre1.7.0_03 |
| 20:04.04 | valdyn | OldParr: when stable gets a point release, then the update will not happen automatically, but it shouldnt |
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| 20:04.24 | valdyn | OldParr: every upgrade risks a breakage, you dont want your system to break automatically |
| 20:04.37 | phorce1_home | somiaj: the bigmem kernels incur a speed hit for page swapping. I'm looking at under 8G of RAM in the box (spare 1G and 2G sticks) |
| 20:04.41 | TheWarden | somiaj: should I move it to /usr/local/ or /opt/? |
| 20:04.45 | valdyn | OldParr: so as it is, unattended-upgrades does the right thing |
| 20:04.47 | somiaj | TheWarden: you should install non debian stuff in /usr/local or /opt |
| 20:05.00 | TheWarden | somiaj: okay I'll move it there then first. |
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| 20:05.29 | somiaj | phorce1_home: you can also run a 64bit kernel in a 32bit userland, this way you get the 64bit kernel (for memeory) but all of your applications are 32bit |
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| 20:05.59 | phorce1_home | installs apticron rather than unattended-upgrades so I just get an email notification I can read and act on |
| 20:06.04 | kevlarman | somiaj: depends on your graphics driver |
| 20:06.11 | kevlarman | somiaj: fglrx doesn't support that |
| 20:06.26 | TheWarden | somiaj: okay I moved it to /opt/. So now do I re-do the update-alternatives as stated on http://alexander.holbreich.org/2011/11/java-7-on-debian/? |
| 20:06.28 | OldParr | valdyn: i thought debian had no risk of breking because it has been very stable along the year i have using it |
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| 20:07.00 | phorce1_home | kevlarman: I'm nVidia all the way |
| 20:07.29 | valdyn | OldParr: youre one of the guys who thing that a gun with only 1 shot in the barrel has no risk? |
| 20:07.37 | somiaj | phorce1_home: biggest issue I run into with amd64 is I have to install a lot of 32bit compadability binaries to get a few things i like to run that only come in 32bit binaries. |
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| 20:08.17 | TheWarden | somiaj: or do I do statement you mentioned first "ls -l /usr/bin/java && ls -l /etc/alternatives/java" ? |
| 20:08.33 | somiaj | TheWarden: that is just checking that the links point to the right binary. |
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| 20:09.51 | phorce1_home | somiaj: disk space is pretty much no object anymore so piles of exra libraries won't hurt |
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| 20:10.25 | somiaj | phorce1_home: its more the issues you could run into getting thigns to run. Unless you know of a specific reason you wnt amd64 or you just like the idea, I'd suggest sticking with a 32bit userland. |
| 20:11.01 | kevlarman | somiaj: tbh i think there are fewer and fewer reasons for a 32 bit userland |
| 20:11.17 | Rydekull | I stopped installing 32-bit quite some time ago |
| 20:11.21 | fahi | has a 64bit userland but with a 32bit chroot :) |
| 20:11.43 | somiaj | kevlarman: there are, and if you don't mind dealing with the 32bit compadability issues for the few cases you run into not a bid deal |
| 20:11.57 | somiaj | kevlarman: I still suggest 32bit userland for people who don't want to deal with those issues. |
| 20:11.59 | tremon | that really depends on your target. For desktops, yes, for phones/tablets/nas devices, 32bit is more than enough |
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| 20:13.22 | phorce1_home | this machine will hopefully be console-only running things like mencoder and ffmpeg behind apache and mediatomb for transcoding to the oddball machines and samba for direct PC access to the media files. |
| 20:13.48 | somiaj | encoding is one of the thigns that does see a speed increase on 64 bit systems. |
| 20:13.48 | phorce1_home | is really hoping X won't get sucked in as dependencies |
| 20:13.55 | kevlarman | somiaj: i also think that 3gb of ram is way too little for a desktop |
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| 20:14.12 | TheWarden | somiaj: Oh okay, well this is the results./usr/bin/java -> /etc/alternatives/java and /usr/bin/java -> /etc/alternatives/java |
| 20:14.52 | somiaj | TheWarden: look at the link /etc/alternatives/java (see where it points) |
| 20:14.58 | TheWarden | somiaj: So then this would be the valid statement? update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java /opt/jdk1.7.0/bin/java 1065 |
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| 20:15.35 | jelly-home | kevlarman: not many desktop apps need more that 3GB, and it's easy to have more usable in total |
| 20:15.36 | TheWarden | somiaj: presently it points to /usr/lib/jvm/jre1.7.0_03/bin/java which isn't correct anymore. |
| 20:15.51 | phorce1_home | kevlarman: I'm running 3GB right now with piles of windows open across two screens in xinerama mode. Only speed hit I'm seeing is network access because I'm updating my local mirror and there are some kernel updates in backports |
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| 20:16.10 | somiaj | kevlarman: I guess if you like to use the bloated DE's like gnome/kde. I rarely use 2gigs of memeory on my non gaming desktop. |
| 20:16.14 | fahi | phorce1_home: I think encoders usually profit from 64bit |
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| 20:16.31 | kevlarman | somiaj: this happens to be my gaming desktop |
| 20:16.41 | kevlarman | (or rather, my only one) |
| 20:16.54 | phorce1_home | fahi: I'll poke around a bit more in the mediatomb docs/forums too see what they suggest |
| 20:16.57 | ghostlines | anyone tried out ksplice? Do I have to apt-get it and I'm good to go? |
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| 20:17.16 | jelly-home | ghostlines: uh, ask the vendor? |
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| 20:17.42 | phorce1_home | kevlarman: about the only games I play on here are DiabloII in wine and a few dosbox games ... and solitaire |
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| 20:18.37 | fahi | phorce1_home: there are numerous benchmarks on the net who claim 64bit architectures are faster for certain encoders, but I can't vouch for their reliability. |
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| 20:18.57 | kevlarman | fahi: the big thing is -m64 causes sse to be used by default |
| 20:18.59 | ghostlines | jelly-home, I wanted to know what others experiences were with it. Like was it a "simple" installation? |
| 20:19.36 | kevlarman | fahi: and afaik 32 bit debian is built without sse |
| 20:19.54 | TheWarden | somiaj: I'll give it a try |
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| 20:20.03 | fahi | kevlarman: you're right, I think amd64 usually has better compiler flags set by default for recent computers. |
| 20:20.03 | gnarface | not many desktop apps need more than 3GB total, but fwiw, world of warcraft through wine will happily soak up 4GB and then spill over into swap... so it depends on the application i suppose |
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| 20:21.25 | fahi | I rarely use more than 1G running xmonad too, but I definitely need more than 4G when running virtual machines for testing or play a game once in a while. :) |
| 20:21.40 | gnarface | personally i think the point of having a 64-bit arch and all that ram goes hand-in-hand with also having 4 or more cores. at that point its irrelevant how much ram any ONE program needs. if you only ever run one program at a time such a machine then you're doing it wrong. |
| 20:22.05 | TheWarden | argh I still get bash: /usr/bin/java: cannot execute binary file after running java -version. |
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| 20:22.21 | kevlarman | gnarface: actually i have 1 game that would crash and burn with 3gb of address space :( |
| 20:22.26 | gnarface | at a time ON such a machine, i meant to say |
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| 20:22.43 | gnarface | kevlarman: sheesh, which one? |
| 20:23.03 | TheWarden | yet when I do ls -l /usr/bin/java && ls -l /etc/alternatives/java all looks good to me. /usr/bin/java -> /etc/alternatives/java and /etc/alternatives/java -> /opt/jre1.7.0_03/bin/java |
| 20:23.40 | TheWarden | I have jre 1.7 64-bit in /opt/jre1.7.0_03. |
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| 20:24.11 | xingu | the biggest win from long mode/ em64t has nothing to do with addressibility; long mode has 8 additional general purpose registers. |
| 20:24.17 | kevlarman | gnarface: i'll give you a hint: s2 is good at memory leaks |
| 20:24.28 | gnarface | aah |
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| 20:24.50 | kevlarman | gnarface: although tbh i don't care that much now that i haz dota2 |
| 20:25.35 | fahi | TheWarden: Do you have a 64bit system? :) |
| 20:26.07 | TheWarden | fahi: yes I do and 64-bit os installed. |
| 20:26.23 | cheako | Hello, I'm building a package and the upstream buildsystem has a vary defective clean. Can I use a manifest file and delete everything that's not listed in a debian/rules? |
| 20:26.29 | cheako | I |
| 20:26.40 | cheako | I'm packaging a project. |
| 20:26.48 | valdyn | xingu: not just long mode I thought |
| 20:27.10 | valdyn | xingu: but theres no amd32 debian |
| 20:27.16 | phorce1_home | Mem: 3113680k total, 1795464k used, 1318216k free, ----- Swap: 4882424k total, 0k used, 4882424k free, |
| 20:27.46 | tremon | valdyn: the additional registers are only available to 64-bit instructions, not because of long mode but because of backwards compatibility |
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| 20:28.04 | kevlarman | valdyn: amd32 is a bit too much of a hack for me |
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| 20:28.23 | valdyn | kevlarman: a hack? |
| 20:28.38 | valdyn | kevlarman: specific gcc compiler switches is a hack? |
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| 20:29.00 | kevlarman | valdyn: trying to use amd64 features in 32 bit mode |
| 20:29.20 | kevlarman | when it's far easier to just run a 64 bit os |
| 20:29.30 | valdyn | kevlarman: theres no mode |
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| 20:31.19 | medeman | What's the difference between the small 180MB CDs and the smaller 40MB CDs? |
| 20:32.10 | petemc | business card doesnt have pppoe support |
| 20:32.14 | petemc | iirc |
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| 20:32.38 | petemc | cant imagine that is 140mb tho |
| 20:33.27 | medeman | hmm yea that would be a lot...so is the 40MB one sufficient if i connect via ethernet to my (dhcp-enabled) router? |
| 20:33.31 | Dagger2 | I believe the difference is that the 180 MB version has the base packages included, while the 40 MB version has to download those |
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| 20:33.42 | tremon | iirc the business card image contains just enough to initialize a network connection, and then downloads the installer image from the 'net |
| 20:33.56 | petemc | is the base still that small? |
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| 20:34.10 | tremon | the netinstall has the full installer image, and only needs to download the packages to be installed on the system |
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| 20:34.41 | petemc | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 20:34.44 | medeman | is the installer image always up to date? |
| 20:34.53 | medeman | i mean in the 180mb disk |
| 20:34.56 | Dagger2 | tremon: no, the 40 MB version has more than that... because there's also the few-MB kernel+initrd version that has to download everything. I guess the 40 MB is mostly the installer components? |
| 20:34.59 | xingu | valdyn: long mode must be enabled before the r9..r15 are accessible |
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| 20:35.21 | valdyn | xingu: http://robertmh.wordpress.com/2011/01/19/finally-amd32-is-taking-shape/ |
| 20:35.39 | valdyn | xingu: maybe so, i dont know the details behind ^^ |
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| 20:36.09 | tremon | Dagger2: in my mind, "just enough to initialize a network connection, and then download..." does include a kernel |
| 20:36.30 | medeman | the 40mb one even has the graphical installer |
| 20:37.31 | tremon | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 20:37.38 | Dagger2 | tremon: right, but my point is that you can netboot the kernel + a 6.4 MB ramdisk, and that's enough to connect to the network and install a full Debian system |
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| 20:38.01 | Dagger2 | tremon: so the extra ~30 MB in the 40 MB images must be something else, and I'm guessing it's installer components |
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| 20:38.15 | tremon | Dagger2: see my link, 4th paragraph. You are correct |
| 20:38.37 | foxtrotniner | well, thats borked on the default debian install, seems the install disk installs grub to the wrong disk everytime, where my boot disk is sdc, it installed it to sda, easy to fix though, but annoying nonetheless |
| 20:39.02 | PsyCl0ne | nsadmin, you still around? |
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| 20:42.05 | ushaft | hi, i was using dhcp3 with ldap. the dhcp schema for ldap is in place and dhcp3 was working fine. i removed dhcp3 and installed isc-dhcp-server and isc-dhcp-server-ldap. now when i try to start the dhcp service, i get this error in syslog: http://pastebin.com/AC2Ed3Mq |
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| 20:42.22 | ushaft | and on the command line, i get: "Starting ISC DHCP server: dhcpdcheck syslog for diagnostics. ... failed!" |
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| 20:42.37 | simonlnu | like it says, check syslog |
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| 20:42.52 | ushaft | simonlnu, i have pastebined syslog message |
| 20:42.52 | PsyCl0ne | Is there a better looking task manager instead of top? |
| 20:43.03 | ushaft | i use debian squeeze and isc-dhcp-server 4.1.1-P1-15 |
| 20:43.33 | boudiccas | PsyCl0ne; htp[ |
| 20:43.36 | boudiccas | htop |
| 20:43.38 | simonlnu | so did you? set up a declaration? |
| 20:44.01 | ushaft | simonlnu, did not understand |
| 20:44.08 | ushaft | should i pastebin my dhcpd.conf ? |
| 20:44.27 | simonlnu | you have to set up a sub-tree in ldap for the interface and subnet. see the docs |
| 20:44.27 | PsyCl0ne | boudiccas, thank you |
| 20:44.44 | boudiccas | PsyCl0ne; yw |
| 20:44.44 | ushaft | simonlnu, all that is setup |
| 20:44.49 | ushaft | that is why dhcp3 was working |
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| 20:45.49 | simonlnu | it's not finding it. did you set it up to do lookups in ldap and not the flat file conf? |
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| 20:46.03 | useless-eater | get ata1 SRST failed errors on startup.. hw problem or sw problem you think? starts up in the end though.. debian squeeze |
| 20:46.41 | useless-eater | computer feels sluggish.. :\ |
| 20:46.54 | Rydekull | PsyCl0ne: nmon |
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| 20:47.45 | ushaft | simonlnu, this is my /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf: http://pastebin.com/ky5RzMbH |
| 20:47.45 | Tronic | How to build .deb from source package without running lintian? |
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| 20:48.37 | Tronic | Or more precisely, how to apply local patches easily without having to care about changelog entries and all that crap because I am not going to release that .deb? |
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| 20:48.47 | PsyCl0ne | Rydekull, I shall take a look at it, thank you. |
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| 20:50.16 | simonlnu | ushaft: i added a read-only user, and i have 'dynamic', otherwise the same. did you configure /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server too? |
| 20:50.29 | simonlnu | ushaft: FSVO of 'same' |
| 20:50.47 | ushaft | simonlnu, there's nothing in /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server |
| 20:51.17 | simonlnu | are you sure? |
| 20:51.21 | ushaft | simonlnu, yes |
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| 20:51.55 | boudiccas | hyde |
| 20:52.16 | simonlnu | ok |
| 20:52.54 | boudiccas | Rydekull; i tried out nmon and only got a completely black window in terminal, totally useless as i couldnt read anything there |
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| 20:53.56 | Rydekull | boudiccas: press h once you've started nmon |
| 20:54.23 | ushaft | simonlnu, i saw some strange news abt ldap with isc-dhcp. do i need a patch? |
| 20:54.29 | ushaft | for eg: https://github.com/dcantrell/ldap-for-dhcp/wiki |
| 20:54.34 | Rydekull | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.34 | ushaft | and: http://skalyanasundaram.wordpress.com/dhcp/dhcp-with-ldap-support/ |
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| 20:56.18 | simonlnu | ushaft: no. the -ldap one already has it |
| 20:56.28 | ushaft | simonlnu, oh |
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| 20:56.31 | Tronic | Apparently running dpkg-buildpackage direcly did the trick. |
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| 20:57.08 | boudiccas | Rydekull; well i pressed h and see no difference |
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| 20:57.43 | ushaft | simonlnu, any suggestions ? |
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| 20:57.45 | useless-eater | anyone knows about a 2d graphic tester? like glxgears, but for 2d? |
| 20:57.47 | ushaft | any debugging tips ? |
| 20:57.48 | Rydekull | boudiccas: your terminal or curses sounds broken |
| 20:58.04 | boudiccas | if i switch off my desktop lamp i see faint writing on it, too faint to be read though |
| 20:58.26 | nkuttler | useless-eater: what do you want to test? |
| 20:58.27 | Rydekull | boudiccas: press c, and see if you get some colors |
| 20:58.31 | Rydekull | boudiccas: or d |
| 20:58.54 | useless-eater | nkuttler: 2d accel on intel card |
| 20:59.06 | Rydekull | boudiccas: I think its 'b' for black/white mode |
| 20:59.27 | Rydekull | boudiccas: just out of curiosity, what terminal are you using? |
| 20:59.45 | Rydekull | simonlnu, ushaft: why would I want my dhcp to use ldap? |
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| 21:00.00 | ushaft | Rydekull, if i want to, can't i ? |
| 21:00.03 | boudiccas | Rydekull; gnome default terminal |
| 21:00.15 | Rydekull | ushaft: Not exactly what I asked |
| 21:00.31 | ushaft | Rydekull, was working with dhcp3, not working with isc-dhcp-server |
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| 21:00.54 | Rydekull | ushaft: right, ok, my question remains |
| 21:01.18 | ushaft | Rydekull, ok. so you are saying that i should not use ldap with dhcp ? |
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| 21:01.23 | Rydekull | no? |
| 21:01.42 | ushaft | Rydekull, what's wrong with it |
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| 21:01.49 | Rydekull | ... |
| 21:01.54 | ushaft | (although this discussion is not likely to solve my problem) |
| 21:02.08 | Rydekull | ushaft: reread my question, again, please |
| 21:02.35 | boudiccas | Rydekull; can nmon be used not in a ncurses environment, but in a black/white environmnet instead? |
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| 21:02.53 | Rydekull | boudiccas: its built on curses |
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| 21:03.10 | Rydekull | boudiccas: you can have it save data to files, but yeah, it relies on curses |
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| 21:03.29 | boudiccas | Rydekull; then i'm sorry to say, its unusable by me |
| 21:03.58 | Rydekull | boudiccas: try changing terminal? :-) |
| 21:04.49 | ushaft | simonlnu, when i do dpkg-reconfigure isc-dhcp-server, i am asked "Network interfaces on which the DHCP server should listen: ". i left that field blank once, and the other time i entered eth0 (my network interface). both didnt work |
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| 21:05.40 | ushaft | simonlnu, /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server is not blank when i enter an interface there. |
| 21:07.54 | simonlnu | *nods* |
| 21:08.04 | boudiccas | Rydekull; how please? i only know how to use the terminals from the menus |
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| 21:09.05 | jvogel_ | How can I check if OpenGL is installed |
| 21:09.23 | jvogel_ | I did dpkg -l | grep -i opengl |
| 21:09.27 | jvogel_ | and got some libraries and stuff |
| 21:09.33 | jvogel_ | does that need to be running at all? |
| 21:09.51 | simonlnu | no need for grep, but yes; look for ii |
| 21:09.56 | simonlnu | at the front |
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| 21:13.53 | Iridos | glxinfo? |
| 21:14.04 | Iridos | jvogel_, what do you want from it? |
| 21:14.27 | useless-eater | nkuttler: replaced the bugger.. radeon 9600 instead. I wouldnt run compiz with it though.. but 2d is much much better :) |
| 21:14.53 | ushaft | simonlnu, a isc-dhcp maintainer has written sth about ldap matches in dhcpd. does it have sth to do with it? : http://blog.andrew.net.au/2012/01/21#dhcp_4.2_progress_report |
| 21:15.21 | ushaft | s/matches/patches/ |
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| 21:16.15 | simonlnu | i use the debian stuff. i haven't patched it. |
| 21:16.17 | jvogel_ | Iridos: it crashes for me |
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| 21:16.24 | jvogel_ | also nvidia-settings opengl page crashes the application |
| 21:16.26 | jvogel_ | any ideas? |
| 21:16.29 | submarshal | how close is wheezy to stable quality? |
| 21:16.36 | jvogel_ | is running wheezy |
| 21:16.43 | jvogel_ | lol |
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| 21:17.38 | Iridos | well... note topic? |
| 21:17.55 | jvogel_ | oh |
| 21:18.19 | jvogel_ | 17:18 [freenode] -!- Cannot join to channel #debian-next (You must be invited) |
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| 21:18.50 | legov | any ideas tho? |
| 21:19.02 | legov | jonathan@chronos downloads $ glxinfo |
| 21:19.03 | legov | name of display: :0 |
| 21:19.03 | legov | X Error of failed request: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) Major opcode of failed request: 136 (NV-GLX) |
| 21:19.05 | nevyn | wrongnetwork |
| 21:19.06 | mortemuser | legov; you do know that #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net dont you? |
| 21:19.11 | Iridos | legov, note ALL of it between two | |
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| 21:19.32 | Iridos | i.e. the (irc.oftc.net) |
| 21:19.34 | legov | 3 lines is flood? |
| 21:19.42 | legov | oh |
| 21:19.47 | legov | ok |
| 21:19.47 | Scrol | nqkoi da e vijdal Shturm ? |
| 21:19.50 | legov | that's lame |
| 21:20.04 | Scrol | seen shturm |
| 21:20.05 | legov | so just cause i'm running testing i can't get help here? |
| 21:20.07 | mortemuser | legov; thenms the rules |
| 21:20.12 | legov | man |
| 21:20.14 | mortemuser | thems |
| 21:20.14 | legov | who runs stable? |
| 21:20.17 | ushaft | simonlnu, any help on how can i debug the problem? ie spot a cause |
| 21:20.18 | legov | shit's old as balls |
| 21:20.23 | legov | :P |
| 21:20.48 | Todd | (and stable) |
| 21:20.55 | Todd | ahem.. as balls |
| 21:21.01 | Iridos | legov, and most segfaults come from ... well, messing around and having some runtime library installed outside the package system or the like... ldd is your friend there |
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| 21:21.51 | Iridos | legov, else... run gdb on the application crashing and see what lib it crashes in and what package that lib comes from on your system... thre's numerous packages providing libGL ... probably nvidia in your case |
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| 21:22.29 | kc8qvp | I am going to setup a *partial*, *local* mirror of debian and ubuntu. should I use apt-mirror, debmirror, or something else? |
| 21:22.44 | simonlnu | ushaft: check your ldap logs |
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| 21:25.14 | ushaft | simonlnu, "grep slap /var/log/syslog" returns nothing :( |
| 21:26.21 | ushaft | btw a similar case: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=655364 simonlnu |
| 21:27.14 | legov | Iridos: running gdb but it's not giving a crashing library |
| 21:27.31 | simonlnu | i said ldap, not syslog |
| 21:27.37 | ushaft | simonlnu, where are ldap logs ? |
| 21:27.43 | ushaft | sorry for the stupid question |
| 21:28.20 | Iridos | legov, gdb /usr/bin/glxinfo --> run (wait for crash)--> bt does not? |
| 21:28.30 | Iridos | you said it segfaults |
| 21:29.08 | simonlnu | wherever you configured them to be |
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| 21:29.44 | ushaft | simonlnu, i thought unconfigured means logs go to syslog. |
| 21:30.01 | simonlnu | yes, but it depends on your loglevel |
| 21:30.06 | ushaft | loglevel is 0 |
| 21:30.24 | ushaft | should i set it to 2, restart and try to start dhcpd again ? |
| 21:30.51 | legov | Iridos: correct, I did that |
| 21:30.57 | legov | Gives me the same error |
| 21:31.09 | simonlnu | for ldap, not your dhcpd |
| 21:31.24 | ushaft | simonlnu, didnt get you |
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| 21:36.02 | ushaft | simonlnu, i changed loglevel to 2 and restarted services. this is from syslog: http://pastebin.com/ziziqGGU |
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| 21:39.41 | johnfg | I've asked this in evolution too, but my evolution is in major mess. |
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| 21:39.57 | GNU\colossus | how rare! :) |
| 21:39.58 | johnfg | Is there a way I can start over without uninstalling the whole thing? |
| 21:40.25 | johnfg | GNU\colossus, This is on squeeze, running gdm. |
| 21:40.52 | GNU\colossus | johnfg, you can just move away its config directory, and it'll be as if it had never been runder under your current UID. |
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| 21:43.33 | johnfg | GNU\colossus, Do you mean get rid of /home/<user>/.evolution? |
| 21:43.51 | GNU\colossus | yes |
| 21:44.10 | GNU\colossus | make sure evolution is not running while you do that though |
| 21:44.17 | simonlnu | ushaft: backport the wheezy one, and install that |
| 21:44.18 | johnfg | Isn't there like a stop command for eds that I've gotta run, remove that offending/offensive directory, then remove it? |
| 21:44.30 | FDFlock | Hello! How can I see the real (on-disk) size of a sparse file? |
| 21:44.31 | FDFlock | is a bit ashamed that he can't quickly answer this himself! |
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| 21:44.36 | GNU\colossus | (it might be best to log out of your desktop environment, and perform the moving of the directory while logged on into a VT session) |
| 21:44.46 | tremon | FDFlock: du? |
| 21:45.29 | FDFlock | tremon: Reports the same size as ls -l, although the file could just be full (=not sparse any more) |
| 21:45.41 | FDFlock | that was my first guess |
| 21:46.34 | somiaj | du has a --apparent-size option |
| 21:46.46 | tremon | FDFlock: then the file is full |
| 21:47.07 | tremon | just try this: dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/test bs=1024 seek=1k count=1; du -h /tmp/test |
| 21:47.15 | floh` | yay. system successfully encrypted, the sacrifie has helped :) |
| 21:47.57 | FDFlock | somiaj, tremon: Thanks! also, tremon, that's a nice test (I also use dd for that myself). |
| 21:48.04 | floh` | just one thing: grub throws some errors, and the menu looks differently after relocating grub's partition. what could be the problem? |
| 21:48.04 | FDFlock | that clears it up |
| 21:48.06 | johnfg | So, logout of here, use the console to stop eds and move directory? |
| 21:48.19 | ushaft | simonlnu, is using backports on a stable system safe ? |
| 21:48.35 | johnfg | Then, when I start eds and then evolution it should rebuild what it needs? |
| 21:48.38 | simonlnu | if it's built on squeeze, of course. |
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| 21:48.59 | simonlnu | just keep track of security, as always |
| 21:49.11 | ushaft | simonlnu, is there a good documentation? havent done it. so |
| 21:49.19 | simonlnu | !ssb |
| 21:49.19 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 21:49.25 | tremon | floh`: you |
| 21:49.35 | tremon | ...'ll need to provide the error message |
| 21:49.44 | tremon | laments his too large enter key |
| 21:49.57 | FDFlock | likes large enter keys |
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| 21:50.29 | ushaft | so how to keep track of security ? |
| 21:50.41 | floh` | i like whatever enter key my thinkpad is offering ne |
| 21:50.59 | GNU\colossus | oh nice, gajim 0.15 has been released! |
| 21:51.10 | simonlnu | ushaft: subscribe to debian-security-announce list; install debsecan. for a start |
| 21:51.11 | floh` | and i hate enter keys which tend to jump off zhe keyboard... |
| 21:51.27 | GNU\colossus | now I only need a Debian package backported to squeeze, and I'm officially in xmpp heaven |
| 21:53.34 | cheako | Hello, I'm attempting to make a package. What's the current stance with embedded code copies? I get a file conflict on install with my package because it includes an embedded copy of a library. |
| 21:53.52 | johnfg | GNU\colossus, What's the command to stop eds? |
| 21:54.21 | GNU\colossus | eds = evolution data server? I don't know. I'm using mutt ;) |
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| 21:56.18 | d0gmaz | anyone knows how i change a password for a imap courier account? |
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| 21:56.42 | GNU\colossus | d0gmaz, depends on its SASL backend, I guess. |
| 21:56.54 | GNU\colossus | (what kind of database it auths against.) |
| 21:57.12 | cheako | d0gmaz: Dozens of answers. If it's using a user account then there are dozens of answers that all do the same thing. |
| 21:57.13 | d0gmaz | GNU\colossus: how can i find out :) |
| 21:57.31 | GNU\colossus | d0gmaz, by reviewing its configuration |
| 21:57.39 | cheako | d0gmaz: Either you know or you ask for assistance, |
| 21:57.48 | ushaft | simonlnu, btw, adding this solved the problem: "subnet xx.xx.xx.xx netmask xx.xx.xx.xx {} |
| 21:57.51 | d0gmaz | GNU\colossus: im not root im just a user |
| 21:58.02 | floh` | tremon, as for the error message, i'll come back tomorrow. |
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| 21:58.09 | GNU\colossus | d0gmaz, then ask your system's administrator |
| 21:58.17 | floh` | but it's about not finding soem disk by its uuid |
| 21:58.19 | cheako | d0gmaz: You'll need to contact your support or admin then. |
| 21:58.39 | d0gmaz | GNU\colossus: allright thought maybe i could do it myself :) |
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| 22:02.30 | GNU\colossus | how can I list the dependencies a deb archive file needs without trying to install it (by not using `dpkg -i <file>`? |
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| 22:03.12 | cheako | r000t: Not working for me, can you help? |
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| 22:03.22 | r000t | With what? |
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| 22:03.34 | r000t | what channel are you trying it in? |
| 22:03.38 | nkuttler | GNU\colossus: apt-cache show |
| 22:03.41 | cheako | r000t: You are pwoned. |
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| 22:03.57 | r000t | And the sploit is MOSTLY patched, that's why on a 1200 user channel only 5 people get dropped |
| 22:04.03 | GNU\colossus | nkuttler, what I was looking for was "dpkg-deb -I" |
| 22:04.07 | nkuttler | !ops r000t |
| 22:04.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nkuttler complains about: r000t |
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| 22:05.22 | cheako | r000t: Ohh, haha. |
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| 22:05.40 | simonlnu | duh |
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| 22:07.24 | MrJK | Hi guys |
| 22:08.11 | MrJK | I was wondering if you could tell me which package in gnome halps to configure the fonts: ie font smoothing, size, etc ... |
| 22:08.28 | MrJK | See: http://www.clearevo.com/blog/files/DefaultSlightHint.png |
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| 22:11.54 | vice | hallo! i have just installed debian squeeze and i am a little bit disappointed, because there is only a very old version of iceweasl which doesnt have my favourite plugins.. |
| 22:12.47 | dvs | !tell vice about iceweasel backports |
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| 22:12.54 | vice | i enabled backports, but it seems that there is no update for iceweasl (sorry for 2 posts) |
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| 22:13.16 | cheako | vice: You might want Ubuntu then. Debian has a different mission then running your favourite plugins. |
| 22:13.40 | vice | whats debians mission? |
| 22:14.01 | Iridos | vice, see the factoid dvs sent you... those are at http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 22:14.03 | cheako | It's already vary hard to support one version of iceweasl. |
| 22:14.18 | TheWarden | does anyone know how to fix the error message "bash: /usr/bin/java: cannot execute binary file" after running java -version? |
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| 22:14.42 | vice | i dont like ubuntu, to amny stuff i will never need.. |
| 22:14.51 | Iridos | TheWarden, are you trying to run a 32bit binary on a 64bit system? |
| 22:15.09 | GNU\colossus | hrrrm, gajim 0.15 beta4 depends on "python (>= 2.6.6-7~)", squeeze only offers "2.6.6-3+squeeze6" though. what's the tilde-notation? |
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| 22:15.32 | dokma | I'm planning on installing ISPConfig on my dedicated Debian box. One way I see is to reduce the current main partition and install a clean Debian install on it and then transfer my sites one by one. |
| 22:15.44 | cheako | vice: Love the contradiction. iceweasl plugins are something an empathy user would call stuff i will never need. |
| 22:15.53 | dokma | The other I see is to install a headless VirtualBox Debian VM and move sites into it first. |
| 22:16.05 | cheako | err not empathy, but that other mail client thing. |
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| 22:16.08 | dokma | what do you guys think is better ? |
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| 22:17.38 | floh` | vice: a bit offtopic, but if youre new to linux, try fedora. consider looking at opensuse if you dobz like fedora. |
| 22:18.15 | floh` | if youre experienced, arch linux, fedora mmaybe |
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| 22:18.43 | Iridos | what? |
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| 22:19.24 | cheako | Iridos: It's a simple observation that Debain might not have new software and there are plenty of other ditros. |
| 22:19.25 | Iridos | nah, I wish I had started with debian and not ever had to deal with the crap suse did 12 years ago |
| 22:20.01 | cheako | Iridos: Agreed, I'd never touch another package management system. |
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| 22:20.37 | floh` | cheako: pacman is good, and yum is usable |
| 22:20.50 | Iridos | yast... you are severely tricked |
| 22:21.07 | vice | floh`: i am not new to linux, i was using aptosid xfce bacause of up to date software, but some applications causes programs because of the incompatibility of xfce and gnome3-packages.. so i installed squeeze |
| 22:21.10 | cheako | floh`: Negative, yum is not usable. |
| 22:21.34 | vice | -programs + problems |
| 22:21.47 | floh` | hey, yast really helped me with certain setting. where "me" was a windows user these days ;) |
| 22:22.36 | cheako | floh`: correct yast is the enemy of all thing vi and vi is all things unix. |
| 22:23.06 | cheako | Thus yast == the enemy of all things unix. |
| 22:23.23 | floh` | vice, fedora10 was good for using, and arch is good for, well, having arch..you gonna have to like it ;) |
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| 22:24.18 | floh` | dunno how fedora is today |
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| 22:24.53 | floh` | vice, if you don't have nasty hardware, and wanz to learn, also have a look at freebsd |
| 22:24.59 | PSR_B1057 | downloaded opensuse dvd but archive manager cannot open it. HELP! |
| 22:25.11 | TheWarden | Iridos: I have a 64-bit system with a 64-bit OS installed. I verified this as well to best of my knowledge. |
| 22:25.31 | kc8qvp | I am a Fedora user for my workstations. It's good, very recent packages, lots of interesting new development. Sometimes it's not all that stable / reliable... it strives to be, but it's pretty bleeding-edge. |
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| 22:25.56 | floh` | which seems to be what he wants |
| 22:25.59 | dFence | hi guys! I am writing a program that makes a call to ioctl – what do I have to do, so it can run as a normal user? (it fails at opening block devices) |
| 22:26.01 | cheako | floh`: I just ran kfreebsd Debian. Flash didn't work and I believe there is also no java. |
| 22:26.04 | kc8qvp | Also sometimes it can be annoying when they totally change the way you've been doing something in linux for 8 years. |
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| 22:26.24 | Iridos | TheWarden, then look what "file" says that your binary is... probably says 32-bit |
| 22:26.27 | kc8qvp | floh`: cool. I didn't see the original query, just thought I'd give my impression of Fedora. I probably wouldn't recommend it for a newbie. |
| 22:26.33 | tremon | dFence: chmod your block device to mode 660? |
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| 22:26.39 | cheako | PSR_B1057: Off topic? |
| 22:26.44 | kc8qvp | (although it's quite user friendly, until it breaks.) |
| 22:26.53 | floh` | nah no kbsd debiab. run REAL freebsd |
| 22:27.25 | floh` | kc8qvp: true |
| 22:27.26 | dFence | tremon: already set |
| 22:27.52 | Iridos | TheWarden, if yes, install ... ia32libs (I'm still running a 32bit OS myself) |
| 22:28.08 | PSR_B1057 | cheako: nope! I downloaded opensuse dvd package but when i try to open the file on debian through archive manager, it doesnt open it . |
| 22:28.15 | vice | floh`:i have already installed freebsd which is really nice, but i have problems to access the filesystem from any linux system. btw: just reading about arch. sounds great.. |
| 22:28.43 | cheako | PSR_B1057: Don't you just want to burn it? also you can mount it with "-o loop" |
| 22:28.58 | floh` | vice, true. bsd is... bsd. if you want bsd, you want it everywhere or on an isolated server |
| 22:28.58 | dFence | tremon: by now I solved it by adding the user executing the app to the group "disk" |
| 22:29.08 | cheako | PSR_B1057: I don't think archive manager can handle iso. |
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| 22:30.02 | PSR_B1057 | cheako: archive manager did handle it for debian/ubuntu but doesnt even open opensuse! And btw i tried using unetbootin for the same |
| 22:30.11 | TheWarden | Iridos: look at what file? |
| 22:30.13 | vice | hm, i think its time to say "goodby, debian squeeze"... |
| 22:30.15 | dFence | tremon: chmod to 664 did the trick, thanks for the hint! |
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| 22:31.05 | tremon | dFence: I'm not sure what device this is, but mode 004 will give all your users read access to the block device. That's not wise if it contains data you want to keep private |
| 22:31.25 | Iridos | TheWarden, hm, from your error, I guess file /usr/bin/java |
| 22:31.33 | cheako | floh`: My understanding is that the binary java and flash only work under linux compatibility mode. I think real freebsd has a wrapper to run linux plugins with a bsd build of firefox, but it just won't work with glibc. |
| 22:31.35 | TheWarden | I did the following to verify its a 64-bit hardware, cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep flags and yes it has lm present |
| 22:31.37 | Iridos | TheWarden, - but /usr/bin/java should actually come from a debian package... |
| 22:31.47 | lucapost | hi, I have a problem with tun/tap and lxc, host and guest are debian testing, can anybody help me? |
| 22:31.54 | dFence | tremon: that's ok, it's a SD-card and I only use it for it's serial-number |
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| 22:32.20 | Iridos | TheWarden, to see what system you run... dpkg --print-architecture |
| 22:32.24 | TheWarden | Iridos: I looked at the file there is no mention of 32-bit at the top of the file and all I see in non-binary is lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 |
| 22:32.31 | floh` | cheako: dunno. flash works for me on freebsd. dunno how. the manual helps |
| 22:32.43 | PSR_B1057 | tremon downloaded opensuse dvd but archive manager cannot open it. any idea about it ? |
| 22:32.46 | cheako | PSR_B1057: Not surprising. What are you trying to do? |
| 22:32.46 | floh` | anyway, goinf to sleep now |
| 22:32.50 | floh` | gn8 |
| 22:32.59 | TheWarden | Iridos: Java is no longer supported directly by Debian for the official release that is and it has to be obtained from Oracle. Which I did JRE 1.7 64-bit |
| 22:33.01 | dFence | tremon: ...which actually leads me to my next question.. is there a way I can assure, that a removable device (sdcard(-reader) / usb-stick) always gets assigned the same name? (/dev/sdF) |
| 22:33.02 | Iridos | TheWarden, mh, I guess good enough, but I meant the _command_ file :) |
| 22:33.04 | vice | flash works for me at freebsd as well.. |
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| 22:33.13 | dFence | udev? |
| 22:33.24 | TheWarden | freaks out |
| 22:33.25 | PSR_B1057 | cheako : install opensuse dvd iso file on my laptop! |
| 22:33.27 | vice | floh` one last questin: arch or slackware? |
| 22:33.37 | Iridos | TheWarden, let me put some quotes: I meant the _command_ "file" :) |
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| 22:34.01 | cheako | PSR_B1057: Then why are you opening it with archive manager? |
| 22:34.02 | tremon | dFence: keyword is udev persistent device names, there are many pointers to be found |
| 22:34.14 | dFence | tremon: on it, thanks |
| 22:34.15 | TheWarden | Iridos: I goofed I guess.. too many systems with Debian. This is 32-bit dang it. I don't know why I install 32-bit when its a 64-bit hardware. |
| 22:34.28 | cheako | PSR_B1057: you should be using cdrecord to open it. |
| 22:34.50 | PSR_B1057 | cheako: unetbootin doesn't complete the task of extracting the iso file on my usb! |
| 22:34.51 | tremon | dFence: you can use those same udev rules to set device node ownership and access bits |
| 22:34.56 | TheWarden | Iridos: well that explains my hard times with this.. geesh. Sorry, thanks. I'll have to do a re-install of this system then. |
| 22:35.05 | dFence | got it |
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| 22:35.20 | cheako | PSR_B1057: Ahh, yeah use a loopback mount. |
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| 22:35.41 | Iridos | TheWarden, well... installing i386 on modern machines is fine... ok, again what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say, and what does "file -L /usr/bin/java" say? |
| 22:35.41 | cheako | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-to-mount-iso-image-under-linux.html |
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| 22:37.08 | cheako | PSR_B1057: However the chances of you being able to make a bootable USB out of just copying over the files is low. You will need to get help on the specifics with how opensuse packages it's DVDs. |
| 22:37.34 | cheako | Thus you should follow instructions specific to the opensuse iso. |
| 22:37.47 | cheako | ...the iso you downloaded. |
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| 22:38.15 | PSR_B1057 | cheako : i wasn't just copying the files. unetbootin was doing that for me. but unetbootin didnt open the opensuse iso file and ripping just failed |
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| 22:39.13 | cheako | PSR_B1057: Yeah, so you decided to copy the files over w/o using unetbootin. Your current path is blocked with dragons. |
| 22:39.30 | cheako | good luck. |
| 22:39.38 | PSR_B1057 | cheako : i used unetbootin!! |
| 22:39.55 | cheako | PSR_B1057: You keep saying unetbootin failed. |
| 22:40.13 | atan | I am trying to get dnsmasq to give out IPs for clients on wlan0. I am using hostapd and it is allowing people to connect, but nobody is getting IPs via DHCP. I do have interface=wlan0 dhcp-range=wlan0,10.0.0.200,10.0.0.254,12h in my dnsmasq config. Where could I have gone wrong? |
| 22:40.30 | PSR_B1057 | cheako: unetbootin failed because it was unable to open the iso file |
| 22:40.42 | cheako | PSR_B1057: If you used unetbootin, then "why are you opening it with archive manager?" |
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| 22:41.31 | PSR_B1057 | cheako : just to try whether the iso file is working or not. |
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| 22:41.34 | cheako | PSR_B1057: The specific failure is irrelevant. Failed means that the task did not work and thus did not do what it was supposed to. |
| 22:42.27 | PSR_B1057 | cheako: okay i got it. btw i wanted it to be mount on a pen drive. |
| 22:42.34 | cheako | PSR_B1057: That's off topic, you'll need to talk to opensuse ppl to verify your download worked correctly. |
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| 22:42.47 | cheako | Try to match md5 or sha hash. |
| 22:43.22 | PSR_B1057 | cheako : okay and thanks for your time and help. |
| 22:43.38 | cheako | PSR_B1057: It won't boot if it's just "mounted" on a pen drive. |
| 22:44.55 | PSR_B1057 | cheako : okay! basically i just want to boot it through a pen drive and install it |
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| 22:45.42 | nowhereFast | /home/<user> what should the chmod of a user directory be? |
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| 22:47.45 | nowhereFast | or rather... the chown |
| 22:47.49 | cheako | PSR_B1057: I don't think you can with what you currently have. |
| 22:48.05 | nowhereFast | ls -lsa gives me 503 for a user directory |
| 22:48.10 | cheako | PSR_B1057: You will need to talk to opensuse ppl to get it working. |
| 22:49.22 | cheako | nowhereFast: That's the size :) |
| 22:49.58 | cheako | that's vary large. |
| 22:50.06 | nowhereFast | 4 drwxr-xr-x 25 root root 4096 2012-03-17 12:21 .. |
| 22:50.08 | nowhereFast | 4 drwxr-xr-x 3 503 503 4096 2012-03-17 18:30 usrdir |
| 22:50.28 | nowhereFast | dont think it is the size |
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| 22:50.46 | nowhereFast | when i did a chown usrdir:usrdir on it, it changed |
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| 22:51.00 | cheako | nowhereFast: ppl are going to tell you not to paste. That indicates the user has been removed. Though Debian UIDs start at 1000 and go up. |
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| 22:51.33 | mal|lappy | What package provides top, ps, and uptime? |
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| 22:51.50 | cheako | nowhereFast: Try "getent passwd usrdir" and "getent passwd 503" |
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| 22:52.29 | cheako | A username must begin with a letter correct or rather it can't start with a number? |
| 22:54.48 | abrotman | !tell mal|lappy about apt-file |
| 22:55.10 | mal|lappy | Nm, figured it out with dpkg. |
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| 22:56.59 | cheako | abrotman: dpkg -S is better in the this file is installed case. That factoid should suggest that. |
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| 22:57.17 | abrotman | cheako: only if it's installed |
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| 22:57.36 | abrotman | cheako: and the factoid is *about* apt-file .. not how to search for files that may or may not be installed |
| 22:57.51 | cheako | abrotman: When are top, ps, and uptime not installed. |
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| 22:58.15 | themill | cheako: "See also … <dlocate>" |
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| 22:58.51 | abrotman | cheako: it is possible to have a system without hte psmisc package |
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| 22:59.57 | cheako | yay, k dlocate is the tool. |
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| 23:00.18 | mal|lappy | cheako: multistrap for instance |
| 23:00.19 | pikaro | hi folks, got a strange problem here: I can't connect to any servers outside my LAN with a debian machine any more. local machines work fine, so wifi itself is not the problem; dns servers are set correctly in resolv.conf; I can even ping the nameservers, so the GW works; and I can connect with my android device, as you can see, so this is a local issue. behavior is the same for static and DHCP. what's wrong? |
| 23:00.27 | mal|lappy | If I'm silly, and forget psmisc in the list of packages to install :) |
| 23:00.39 | abrotman | pikaro: bad netmask? bad route? |
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| 23:00.46 | pikaro | both are fine |
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| 23:01.05 | delvalle26 | hmm what's the simplest way to block a package from ever being installed? |
| 23:01.11 | delvalle26 | i.e the package name is pulseaudio |
| 23:01.13 | pikaro | otherwise, I couldn't get out with ICMP |
| 23:01.36 | pikaro | telnet to <nameserver>:53 fails as well >.< |
| 23:01.45 | FDFlock | pikaro: have you actually tried to visit a website using its IP address directly? |
| 23:01.48 | abrotman | pikaro: by IP also ? |
| 23:01.55 | pikaro | yep |
| 23:02.09 | pikaro | seems TCP packets are blocked in some way...? |
| 23:02.39 | pikaro | works fine on any other wifi |
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| 23:02.47 | FDFlock | weird |
| 23:02.53 | FDFlock | you aren't running iptables, are you? |
| 23:03.03 | pikaro | nope, just a desktop machine |
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| 23:05.17 | nowhereFast | usrdir:x:1000:1000:usrdir,,,:/home/usrdir:/bin/bash |
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| 23:09.09 | epicfail | hey guiz... i ask 1 more time before i do the dist upgrade: I have to get pulseaudio and some other stuff to a newer version in order to use wine (backports are too old too) anyone a idea? |
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| 23:10.11 | epicfail | anyone even there? -.- |
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| 23:10.57 | epicfail | !wheeze |
| 23:10.58 | dpkg | Debian 6.0 <stable> is codenamed <squeeze>. The current <testing> distribution, which will be released as Debian 7.0, is codenamed <wheezy>. There is no "squeezy" or "wheeze". |
| 23:11.01 | epicfail | !wheeze |
| 23:11.03 | themill | epicfail: I suspect people are waiting for the actual question |
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| 23:11.24 | themill | (other than wondering what version of wine you're trying to use that needs newer pulseaudio) |
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| 23:12.27 | epicfail | the question is: Is there a way to get wine 1.4 to run propperly without upgrading to wheezy? (opengl anda alsa too old. even from backports) |
| 23:12.34 | epicfail | if you wanna know sth just ask |
| 23:13.09 | epicfail | !wine |
| 23:13.09 | dpkg | Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ . The beta Wine packages from lamaresh.net are not supported in #debian. http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ http://www.winehq.org/ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. See also <newer wine>. |
| 23:13.49 | abrotman | epicfail: msg the bot |
| 23:14.29 | epicfail | abrotman, usually i would but since noone is writeing here anyway at the moment.... |
| 23:14.40 | abrotman | epicfail: that is no excuse |
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| 23:15.16 | ratatata | ieskau draugu |
| 23:15.17 | themill | dpkg: tell epicfail about wine-unstable |
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| 23:18.29 | epicfail | okey who took my voice on the other channel |
| 23:18.53 | epicfail | i cant do shit if you tell me not to wheeze in public after i already did |
| 23:19.01 | abrotman | you can still msg the bot |
| 23:19.21 | epicfail | nice so its my fault i dont time travel back and undo my wheeze |
| 23:19.27 | abrotman | probably |
| 23:19.39 | epicfail | u never seen doctor who? that would be a paradoxon and we would all die!!! |
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| 23:21.16 | Danny | "list |
| 23:21.22 | Danny | !list |
| 23:21.22 | dpkg | danny: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 23:21.23 | epicfail | omg! abrotman make me talk in the other network again! |
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| 23:23.02 | themill | epicfail: you should read what dpkg told you in a pm about wine and then go and fix your problem. |
| 23:23.06 | epicfail | guys realy now! do you may conceder to help me or you just mute me in all channels cause i have wheezed one time? o_O |
| 23:23.28 | epicfail | themill, i did but i have questions about it |
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| 23:23.43 | abrotman | so instead of asking, you whine here .. great plan |
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| 23:26.07 | epicfail | themill, does your solution involve a dist upgrade? is ment by wine unstable the actuall wine unstable (1.5) or the newest for debian (1.1)? How much is "a little" work? |
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| 23:26.30 | epicfail | abrotman, i love you too! now unmute me at the debian server!!! |
| 23:26.46 | themill | epicfail: did you read what dpkg said about backporting? |
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| 23:28.24 | Danny | !list |
| 23:28.24 | dpkg | danny: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 23:28.40 | themill | Danny: no warez here. |
| 23:28.43 | abrotman | Danny: this is not a warez channel, go away |
| 23:28.46 | epicfail | themill, yes unfortnatly i have no diea how to ask dpkg about ssb =/ |
| 23:28.50 | cheako | Looking for package "integration testing" lilitan or whatever? |
| 23:28.57 | themill | dpkg: tell epicfail about ssb |
| 23:28.58 | somiaj | epicfail: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 23:28.59 | abrotman | cheako: lintian ? |
| 23:29.05 | themill | epicfail: seriously... you /msg dpkg keyword |
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| 23:29.28 | themill | cheako: lintian isn't really integration testing though. |
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| 23:34.11 | epicfail | themill, well if you wanna make ime download wine from source... i already did that... compiled, installed but the alsa and opengl plugin are the problem (and i dont even know which package it is) |
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| 23:34.53 | themill | if you downloaded and compiled it from source as dpkg described, you wouldn't have problems with it requiring newer packages |
| 23:37.40 | epicfail | themill, i downloaded it (wine) from sourceforge... does dpkg want me to download alsa and stuff too? |
| 23:37.58 | themill | that's not what dpkg told you to do |
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| 23:39.57 | epicfail | themill, sry oviously i am stupid... do you want me to download wine from debian seed compile and install? do you want sth other? |
| 23:40.47 | themill | completely fails to understand |
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| 23:41.28 | lidenbrock | hi, how do I use ext3grep to recover a file I have deleted by mistake? |
| 23:42.06 | epicfail | themill, hang in... im trying to update my graca driver from stable backports.... maybe i get lucky |
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| 23:46.37 | epicfail | themill, you know what backport package contains the driver for a GeForce GTX 560 Ti/PCI/SSE2 .... i just dont find it |
| 23:47.06 | themill | why do you think I'd know? Please as the channel not one specific person. |
| 23:47.27 | epicfail | you know what backport package contains the driver for a GeForce GTX 560 Ti/PCI/SSE2 .... i just dont find it |
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| 23:48.04 | abrotman | hahahaha |
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| 23:53.03 | somiaj | epicfail: seems the 275.x.y driver supports that card, and you can get that version from backports |
| 23:53.08 | somiaj | ,versions nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 23:53.09 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-backports/non-free: 280.13.really.275.36-1~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 295.20-1; wheezy/non-free: 295.20-1; experimental/non-free: 295.20-1+exp1 |
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| 23:54.36 | somiaj | you'll proabaly have to install the xserver-xorg from backports as well |
| 23:56.04 | gnarface | i need some documentation on patch format |
| 23:56.18 | gnarface | i'm trying to fix a patch but it doesn't make sense |
| 23:57.17 | abrotman | isn't it just a diff ? |
| 23:57.28 | themill | (and what sort of diff) |
| 23:57.38 | gnarface | i guess unified? |
| 23:57.39 | epicfail | somiaj, thx for the help, on it, dont worry... if i crash my system i just backuped it |
| 23:57.55 | gnarface | i just don't understand this line: @@ -826,9 +826,88 @@ static void test_section_access(void) |
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| 23:58.09 | gnarface | here's the PART i don't understand about it: everything after the second @@ |
| 23:58.10 | FDFlock | "backuped" --> wow |
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| 23:58.34 | epicfail | somiaj, its done... have i to service restart gdm to take effect? |
| 23:59.00 | themill | gnarface: that's just saying what function diff believed the code to be inside. (additional context for human readers) |
| 23:59.28 | gnarface | themill: so patch ignores that? |
| 23:59.49 | themill | I believe so. |
