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| 00:00.22 | jelly-home | AlexAnteMachina: which architecture? and which browser? |
| 00:00.23 | cardamon | teratoma: .xsessionrc? |
| 00:00.31 | cracka | right, so at that point couldnt you concider debian to be a very slow rolling release? |
| 00:00.35 | cardamon | I made an .xsession and gdm3 didn't seem to notice. |
| 00:00.42 | Diopter | cracka: Testing actually rolls rather fast. |
| 00:00.51 | jelly-home | cracka: also, glass is really a liquid. |
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| 00:01.04 | cardamon | And I don't know how to alter the <WM>.desktop file because it doesn't look like bash. |
| 00:01.47 | AlexAnteMachina | jelly-home, epiphany and its a eee 1000h Netbook with a intel atom cpu |
| 00:01.51 | cracka | jelly-home: just trying to understand, so in theory I wont have to reinstall the new distro when it is released |
| 00:02.05 | max_sharpe | no glass is solid |
| 00:02.11 | seeker60 | tremon: it is not right when i first boot maybe using weird mode what would be good to do? |
| 00:02.14 | tremon | cardamon: don't know if it's .xsession or .xsessionrc, it's been awhile since I messed with it. But you need to choose it explicitly in gdm3 iirc |
| 00:02.23 | max_sharpe | damn sarcasm |
| 00:02.37 | Diopter | cracka: No because you'll always be on the 'testing' tag. So there's no dist-upgrade required. |
| 00:02.59 | Diopter | At least that's how I understand it. Having been back on debian tracking testing during a stable release :P |
| 00:03.06 | Diopter | s/having/haven't/ |
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| 00:03.30 | jelly-home | AlexAnteMachina: but is it 32 or 64bit installation? "dpkg --print-architecture" Having no experience with epiphany, I'm guessing it's possible that flashplugin-nonfree doesn't properly integrate with it. |
| 00:04.01 | tremon | cardamon: you might be able to copy the .desktop and replace the Exec= line with your own script |
| 00:04.04 | jelly-home | cracka: testing is VERY fragile right after a release |
| 00:04.16 | AlexAnteMachina | jelly-home, its a i386 |
| 00:04.20 | cracka | Diopter so is dist-upgrade assumed to be reliable enough for a business ? |
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| 00:04.43 | Diopter | cracka: Er. If you're going from oldstable to stable, yes. If you're talking about dist-upgrading to testing, you've already answered your question |
| 00:04.45 | jelly-home | cracka: a casual user will have better luck not upgrading at that time, or even using sid for a while |
| 00:04.47 | Diopter | It's right there in the name. Testing :P |
| 00:05.05 | valleycat | o.O I fail >.< http://img.skitch.com/20110709-cyw2hagykpmgb4p35jir5dsc8m.jpg |
| 00:05.06 | FDFlock | jelly-home: wow, is it THAT bad? |
| 00:05.10 | jelly-home | AlexAnteMachina: I'd try iceweasel. |
| 00:05.14 | cracka | diopter yes you naild it, was wondering about old stable to new stable |
| 00:05.14 | tremon | seeker60: look into your X configuration (/etc/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d), see if you can set a PreferredMode option |
| 00:05.19 | seeker60 | also how do i find ip of my netgear that is not my gateway. i want to turn off my wireless on that router |
| 00:05.42 | AlexAnteMachina | thanks for the hint, jelly-home! i#m trying... |
| 00:05.43 | Diopter | valleycat: fsck that mother some mo |
| 00:05.51 | max_sharpe | Seeker you have 2 routers? |
| 00:05.57 | max_sharpe | one connected to the net |
| 00:06.01 | max_sharpe | and another connected to that? |
| 00:06.36 | jelly-home | FDFlock: pretty much unusable at that point |
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| 00:06.52 | nsadmin | (yournet) <--> (a router) <--> (another router) <--> what is here? |
| 00:06.54 | cracka | jelly-home are you saying from old stable to new stable is fragile? or from old stable to new testing? |
| 00:06.54 | Diopter | seeker60: You can ping sweep, or ping broadcast, see what responds. Knowing it's a netgear, you can match vendor OUIs in the MAC to find it |
| 00:07.06 | Diopter | seeker60: A fairly awesome tool for doing that from an Android or iPhone is Overlook Fing |
| 00:07.16 | jelly-home | cracka: I'm saying from wheezy to testing, at the time wheezy is released |
| 00:07.18 | AlexAnteMachina | jelly-home, BULLSEYE! |
| 00:07.23 | Diopter | seeker60: Just hook into your wireless and scan, then look for the Netgear OUIs, try their IPs |
| 00:07.26 | AlexAnteMachina | its an epiphany related problem. |
| 00:07.36 | Diopter | There's Linux tools to do the same, but not as dead easily |
| 00:07.37 | cracka | jelly-home cool |
| 00:08.01 | AlexAnteMachina | in iceweasel it works like a charme. Thanks for your help jelly-home !!! |
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| 00:08.56 | jelly-home | AlexAnteMachina: I guess epi. just isn't properly integrated. You probably just need a symlink to the plugin in the right place, but I don't know where that is |
| 00:09.39 | FDFlock | never liked Epiphany |
| 00:09.51 | AlexAnteMachina | i prefer iceweasel/firefox over anything else. i was just using epiphany cause it came with gnome3 by default. |
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| 00:10.35 | jelly-home | where did you find gnome3 anyway |
| 00:11.05 | jelly-home | oh, wheezy, right |
| 00:11.12 | seeker60 | tremon: kind of interesting there is not a xorg.conf.d or xorg.conf in /etc/X11 |
| 00:11.17 | AlexAnteMachina | huh? its debian-testing's default |
| 00:11.43 | Diopter | seeker60: xorg.conf isn't required anymore, and xorg.conf.d is in /usr/share/X11 |
| 00:11.57 | Diopter | xorg.conf hasn't been absolutely required for like... 18 months of Xorg releasage |
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| 00:14.05 | seeker60 | Diopter: thanks did you see my dilemma that i was asking of tremon? when i boot my bottom menu bar is cut in half and then if i change resolutions to 800X600 and then go back to original the screen looks like it should |
| 00:14.07 | tremon | seeker60: Diopter's right, X normally works without configuration file. You can generate one by issuing X -configure as root, then strip out anything you don't need. |
| 00:15.03 | FDFlock | Diopter: Does testdisk really support ext4? Website says ext2/3, and ext4 has extents, which are a COMPLETELY different data structure |
| 00:15.24 | FDFlock | Diopter: It actually found the deleted directory, but not any files! |
| 00:15.44 | FDFlock | ouch |
| 00:15.48 | seeker60 | tremon: useing dpkg X -configure? |
| 00:16.33 | tremon | seeker60, no X -configure. You probably need to exit your graphical environment for that, but I'm not sure |
| 00:16.48 | Diopter | FDFlock: From what I can see, yes. Also there's photorec if your filesystem metadata is severely hosed |
| 00:17.06 | seeker60 | ok thanks guys got to go. |
| 00:17.07 | Diopter | FDFlock: From the same folks. Looks for file formats it recognizes to try to recover them without metadata |
| 00:17.18 | tremon | yes, but photorec scans the disk for known file metadata, and text files don't have metadata |
| 00:17.26 | FDFlock | Diopter: well, no photos anyway. Mostly text files |
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| 00:17.47 | Diopter | FDFlock: I know it's called photorec. But it understands a crapton of file formats. |
| 00:17.51 | Diopter | http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/File_Formats_Recovered_By_PhotoRec if you're curious |
| 00:18.05 | tremon | I know, I've used it once to save a lot of mp3 files :) |
| 00:18.06 | Diopter | 390+ extensions in 225+ file families :P |
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| 00:18.35 | Diopter | fsck -> testdisk -> photorec -> paying someone, is basically the recovery path |
| 00:18.37 | Diopter | lol |
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| 00:20.10 | FDFlock | Diopter: Maybe the problem is that the partition is not corrupted at all, and all files were deleted "the normal way"? (rm -rv /home/my-username) |
| 00:20.35 | Diopter | Well, that would be a problem for testdisk, but not photorec, for at least some of them |
| 00:20.42 | Diopter | Unless you also shred'ed or wipe'd |
| 00:21.12 | FDFlock | nope, I just kept using it for a few minutes, until I could setup another account for remote access |
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| 00:21.51 | FDFlock | is going to try photorec, although there aren't many hopes for his textfiles |
| 00:22.12 | tremon | guys it's been fun, and thanks for all the support. gonna try get some sleep now |
| 00:22.21 | tremon | FDFlock: good luck! |
| 00:22.22 | FDFlock | tremon: good luck! |
| 00:22.25 | FDFlock | :) |
| 00:22.26 | tremon | thx |
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| 00:27.33 | abrotman | blames pseubodot |
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| 00:29.57 | Miggs_ | Hey guys, Squeeze hangs as soon as I plug in my Blue Yeti MIcrophone. Doesn't even last long enough to look at dmesg or syslog. If I have it plugged in while booting it doesn't get past waiting for /dev to populate. Any suggestions? |
| 00:30.55 | dvs | Miggs_: Don't plug it in? ;-P |
| 00:31.17 | Diopter | Miggs_: ssh in from another box and see what's happening when you plug it in. See if ssh locks up, or you get a kernel panic, or what |
| 00:31.25 | max_sharpe | the usb one? |
| 00:31.38 | Miggs_ | dvs, that's kinda half a solution. I have an (old) Dell m1330 and the inbuilt microphone gets me no volume at all. |
| 00:32.06 | Miggs_ | Diopter, works great on the mac and used to work fine with Ubuntu. Just this new Debian install. :/ |
| 00:32.23 | Miggs_ | Ubuntu on the same machine, I have to add. |
| 00:32.26 | Diopter | Miggs_: Understood. So it's unlikely to be the hardware. |
| 00:32.43 | FDFlock | Miggs_: if you press Alt-F1 to switch to the Linux console |
| 00:33.04 | FDFlock | Miggs_: before plugging it in, you might be lucky and see an error message |
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| 00:33.25 | FDFlock | I'm not sure, though |
| 00:33.37 | Miggs1 | FDFlock: I'll give it a try. |
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| 00:34.17 | somiaj | Miggs1: did you check /var/log for various messages in the logs? |
| 00:34.20 | Miggs1 | Nope, no error messages. |
| 00:34.46 | Diopter | ssh in, plug it in, see if ssh dies/kernel panics. If not, it's likely just your (presumably USB) input that's dying |
| 00:34.49 | Miggs1 | somiaj: I'll reboot and have a look. I only thought to look at syslog or dmesg when I plugged it in |
| 00:34.56 | Diopter | Which likely means an issue in the USB subsystem |
| 00:35.10 | Diopter | If ssh is still functional, then ls -lart /var/log, to see which logfiles changed last |
| 00:35.13 | Diopter | And tail them |
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| 00:35.20 | somiaj | Miggs1: well just hoping that something gets loged before it crashes, but sounds like that may be iffy |
| 00:35.23 | _ProGammer | hi |
| 00:35.25 | Diopter | (the most recent will be at the bottom) |
| 00:35.43 | Miggs1 | BUG: Soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 61s |
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| 00:36.17 | nsadmin | are your cpus getting enough cool air? |
| 00:36.22 | Miggs1 | just came up in the terminal window |
| 00:36.31 | _ProGammer | i asked here about open("/dev/kmem", O_RDONLY) |
| 00:36.32 | Diopter | Miggs1: dmesg/syslog |
| 00:36.38 | _ProGammer | i recompile the kernel |
| 00:36.51 | _ProGammer | uncheck this Kernel Hacking->[ ] Filter access to /dev/mem |
| 00:36.59 | _ProGammer | and check this evice Drivers->Character Devices->[*] /dev/kmem virtual device support |
| 00:37.08 | _ProGammer | i can open /dev/kmem |
| 00:37.15 | _ProGammer | but fail to read it |
| 00:37.19 | abrotman | _ProGammer: why are you compiling a kernel ? |
| 00:37.35 | _ProGammer | to make those changes in kernel params? |
| 00:37.37 | _ProGammer | ! |
| 00:37.47 | Diopter | That's always a fun endeavor |
| 00:37.48 | abrotman | what's wrong with the Debian kernel? |
| 00:38.09 | _ProGammer | <_ProGammer> uncheck this Kernel Hacking->[ ] Filter access to /dev/mem |
| 00:38.10 | _ProGammer | <_ProGammer> and check this evice Drivers->Character Devices->[*] /dev/kmem virtual |
| 00:38.20 | _ProGammer | dont let me to open /dev/kmem |
| 00:38.27 | abrotman | what's wrong with the Debian kernel? |
| 00:39.05 | Rienzilla | I have not had to fiddle with the debian kernel for a while, with one notable exception of hardware that wasn't (isn't) supported by linux out of the box :) |
| 00:39.27 | _ProGammer | open("/dev/kmem", O_RDONLY) = 3 |
| 00:39.28 | _ProGammer | lseek(3, 3241423872, SEEK_SET) = 3241423872 |
| 00:39.28 | _ProGammer | read(3, 0x80499d2, 8) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument) |
| 00:39.38 | FDFlock | Diopter: Photorec did find about 1200+ text files and others... o_O... I'm sure there weren't that many! (Maybe the "brute force" option that I enabled wasn't a good idea) |
| 00:39.41 | FDFlock | Diopter: In any case, it does work, so I'm really thankful for your suggestion! |
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| 00:40.00 | Diopter | FDFlock: You bet. |
| 00:40.29 | _ProGammer | abrotman: the default configration of debian kernel dont let me to open(/dev/mem) it returns with -1 |
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| 00:41.40 | brico | hello? |
| 00:41.56 | Diopter | ohai |
| 00:42.19 | brico | i have audio concerns in crunchbang |
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| 00:42.48 | Miggs | Diopter, http://pastebin.com/rrgQ3vq9 |
| 00:42.55 | Miggs | Finds it, likes it, locks the hell up. |
| 00:43.24 | _ProGammer | abrotman: any help ? |
| 00:43.42 | abrotman | _ProGammer: and why not? permissions? does it exist? |
| 00:43.54 | abrotman | _ProGammer: are you booted into that Debian kernel now? or oyur own? |
| 00:44.08 | _ProGammer | im in my own kernel |
| 00:44.11 | _ProGammer | with root |
| 00:44.33 | _ProGammer | this is strace output |
| 00:44.34 | _ProGammer | open("/dev/kmem", O_RDONLY) = 3 |
| 00:44.34 | _ProGammer | lseek(3, 3241423872, SEEK_SET) = 3241423872 |
| 00:44.34 | _ProGammer | read(3, 0x80499d2, 8) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument) |
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| 00:44.56 | _ProGammer | sorry for paste :p |
| 00:44.59 | LtL | _ProGammer: look at the permissions of /dev/mem i.e., group. |
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| 00:45.07 | Diopter | Miggs: Looks like a bug in snd_usb_audio |
| 00:45.26 | _ProGammer | LtL: its about /dev/kmem |
| 00:45.28 | LtL | _ProGammer: you shouldn't get an error code though. |
| 00:45.29 | _ProGammer | not /dev/mem |
| 00:45.32 | Diopter | Miggs: Should check to see if there's a bug report for it, particularly searching for snd-usb-audio and "soft lockup" |
| 00:45.48 | brico | audio is only playing from 1 application at a time. i don't know if there is a simple setting for this somewhere, or what. anyone know? |
| 00:45.49 | Diopter | Miggs: Also you could try installing the kernel from testing/wheezy |
| 00:45.50 | LtL | _ProGammer: sorry, i must have read you wrong. |
| 00:45.59 | abrotman | _ProGammer: if oyu want help wiht your own kenrel, ask ##kernel ... we have no idea what you've done to your custom kernel |
| 00:46.13 | Miggs | Diopter, I saw the liquorix kernel floating around. That's sid, isn't it? Might be worth giving that a try. |
| 00:46.41 | _ProGammer | i load default debian configuration for 2.6.32-5 |
| 00:46.49 | _ProGammer | Device Drivers->Character Devices->[*] /dev/kmem virtual device support |
| 00:46.55 | _ProGammer | Kernel Hacking->[ ] Filter access to /dev/mem |
| 00:47.02 | _ProGammer | just change these two |
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| 00:47.56 | abrotman | _ProGammer: if oyu want help wiht your own kenrel, ask ##kernel ... we have no idea what you've done to your custom kernel |
| 00:47.57 | Diopter | Miggs: I don't think you need to go for some kind of custom kernel |
| 00:48.06 | Diopter | Miggs: Just "much newer", like testing or sid |
| 00:48.19 | abrotman | Diopter: there is a newer kernel at backports.debian.org if you suspect the kernel is too old |
| 00:48.37 | _ProGammer | :( |
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| 00:49.15 | Diopter | abrotman: Indeed there is, and that would be my initial guess, yes |
| 00:49.18 | qkzoo | I installed network-manager-gnome onto my Mepis install (LXDE) desktop. network-manager doesn't remember my passwords, so I have to re-enter them every time I start a new session. |
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| 00:50.18 | abrotman | qkzoo: this is #debian, not #mepis, not #lmde |
| 00:50.29 | abrotman | oh .. that says lxde .. but still not #mepis |
| 00:50.44 | abrotman | qkzoo: please go to #mepis |
| 00:50.44 | qkzoo | I know abrotman, but Mepis is built on Debian |
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| 00:50.55 | Miggs | Diopter, So that would be adding the backports apt line and then installing kernel? I'll give it a shot since the big reports aren't showing any solutions. |
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| 00:51.06 | abrotman | qkzoo: we support Debian, not things based on Debian, sorry, please go to #mepis |
| 00:51.26 | Diopter | Miggs: Yeah |
| 00:51.48 | abrotman | qkzoo: or maybe try ##linux .. But you're offtopic here, and you can be banned if you continue |
| 00:52.45 | gnarface | the redis-server package from their website appears to be broken due to an empty Depends: line in the control file. you wouldn't notice unless you tried to stuff it in your own private repo though. |
| 00:53.05 | abrotman | what? |
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| 00:54.48 | gnarface | abrotman: just the one on their site. the ones actually in debian seems fine. |
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| 00:56.54 | gnarface | gives abrotman the requisite 30 seconds to figure out some way to tell me i'm wrong then goes to watch TV |
| 00:57.07 | abrotman | gnarface: are you talking about Mepis? |
| 00:57.20 | gnarface | abrotman: no i don't think so. i think i'm talking about redis-server |
| 00:57.44 | abrotman | gnarface: your timing was odd, wasn't sure how it was related .. carry on :) |
| 00:57.48 | gnarface | abrotman: http://redis.io/ its like memcache but with a query language |
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| 00:59.14 | Diopter | Redis is kind of awesome |
| 00:59.21 | qkzoo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:59.58 | abrotman | qkzoo: go to #mepis, you were warned. You're offtopic in this channel |
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| 01:00.16 | buu | So, I am actually running debian, and I have a question! |
| 01:00.20 | abrotman | you didn't ask yet? |
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| 01:00.29 | buu | I just wanted to let you know. |
| 01:00.33 | abrotman | thinks some day .. he'll ask buu a perl question |
| 01:00.36 | buu | =] |
| 01:01.16 | buu | abrotman: A) Is there a simple way to tell if my intel cpu supportss x64 B) If it does can I 'upgrade' to a x64 kernel without reinstalling the OS? |
| 01:01.47 | abrotman | buu: grep flags /proc/cpuinfo .. look for the uhm .. 'lm' flag IIRC |
| 01:02.12 | nevyn | buu: yes and yes. |
| 01:02.27 | abrotman | buu: and yes you can, but you'd still have a 32bit userland that has other issues while using a 64bit kernel .. but yes, you can |
| 01:03.59 | buu | flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe lm constant_tsc arch_p |
| 01:04.13 | buu | It's a uh, intel core 2 duo |
| 01:04.20 | buu | So wiki seems to think it supports x64 |
| 01:04.25 | dvs | yup |
| 01:04.31 | buu | Yay! |
| 01:04.34 | nevyn | yep it does |
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| 01:04.55 | buu | What kind of issues are there likely to be from running on a 32bit userland? |
| 01:05.03 | nevyn | so when purchasing hardware for the purpose of running debian (probalby sid) how do people handle this? |
| 01:05.14 | nevyn | particularly current laptops |
| 01:05.18 | abrotman | nevyn: you buy five of everytihng and pray? :) |
| 01:05.45 | abrotman | nevyn: When I bought one, it was pretty easy, but mine is using mostly intel hardware (no broadcom or nvidia/ati) |
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| 01:06.02 | nevyn | it seems vendors play extremely fast and loose with model numbers and specifications |
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| 01:06.43 | buu | If I'm on an intel core do I want the linux-image-...amd64 package? |
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| 01:06.59 | nevyn | yes |
| 01:07.12 | nevyn | !ia32e |
| 01:07.12 | dpkg | "Intel 64" (formerly IA-32e, EM64T) is Intel's clone of AMD64, providing 64-bit extensions to the i386 architecture. Get either Debian i386 or amd64. Ask me about <amd64>. |
| 01:07.27 | karlpinc | nevyn: The easy way is to buy with debian pre-installed, talk to the vendor, and let them figure it out. |
| 01:07.38 | buu | Thanks |
| 01:07.43 | abrotman | karlpinc: heheh .. that's funny |
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| 01:08.04 | nevyn | karlpinc: being in a internet and world backwater where IE still has a 70%+ user share... that's unlikely to be a viable option |
| 01:08.19 | buu | installs amd64 kernel images and reboots then prays for the best. |
| 01:08.20 | abrotman | nevyn: which vendor are you looking at? |
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| 01:08.48 | nevyn | abrotman: I'm honestly not terribly fussed. |
| 01:09.21 | abrotman | nevyn: i bought lenovo, intel video and wifi .. Uhm, two years ago? squeeze ran fine on it |
| 01:09.24 | nevyn | abrotman: I want a reasonbly grunty cpu with 8gig of ram. |
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| 01:09.40 | seeker60 | ok now when i minimize the window drops to bottom but i do not see it to open it back up |
| 01:09.47 | abrotman | seeker60: in what? |
| 01:10.07 | karlpinc | nevyn: I occasionally buy over the web with debian pre-installed. |
| 01:10.19 | seeker60 | abrotman: thanks for such quick response. squeeze gdm3 |
| 01:10.33 | abrotman | seeker60: which WM? |
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| 01:10.51 | buu | Rebooting headless machines is so much fun |
| 01:11.00 | seeker60 | abrotman: not sure how do I find answere |
| 01:11.25 | abrotman | seeker60: you sohuld know what you're running .. |
| 01:11.35 | seeker60 | abrotman: it is whatever is default from squeeze install |
| 01:11.37 | abrotman | seeker60: gnome? kde? lxde? xfce? |
| 01:11.44 | nevyn | buu: remote consoles are AWESOME |
| 01:11.55 | seeker60 | abrotman: sorry gnome |
| 01:11.58 | karlpinc | seeker60: Well..., you could logout and look at the gdm3 "session" choice to tell what's started. |
| 01:12.06 | karlpinc | buu: serial console |
| 01:12.12 | abrotman | seeker60: right click on the bottom task bar .. add the task switcher or whatever it's called |
| 01:13.23 | seeker60 | abrotman: i right click and go to properties and then have general and background tabs or i can add a panel |
| 01:13.25 | nevyn | karlpinc: board management system is better (ILO/DRAC/ILOM/ALOM) |
| 01:13.38 | abrotman | seeker60: add an applet |
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| 01:14.06 | seeker60 | abrotman: which one gnome applet? |
| 01:14.18 | buu | Well, it rebooted successfully! |
| 01:14.28 | nevyn | karlpinc: /IPMI |
| 01:14.33 | buu | Now I'm trying to get virtualbox to play nicely |
| 01:14.43 | owen1 | i use mail to sent email from the console. i use < file_name to send a template. is there a way to pass arguments to my text file? |
| 01:15.06 | karlpinc | nevyn: I'm willing to believe that, although I've also heard horror stories about on-board stuff. The same-old-same-old has worked for me so I tend to stick with it. |
| 01:15.07 | owen1 | mail -s "subject" dan@test.com < file |
| 01:15.37 | abrotman | thought IMPI was for monitoring, not interaction ? |
| 01:16.13 | karlpinc | owen1: You could use scripting to modify your file. Look into m4. mail -s "subject" dan@test.com <(m4 -Dfoo=bar file.m4) |
| 01:16.43 | karlpinc | owen1: Or: m4 -D foo=bar | mail -s "subject" dan@test.com |
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| 01:17.24 | karlpinc | owen1: Oops. Left off the file, but you get the idea. |
| 01:18.05 | owen1 | karlpinc: modify the file itself? i am scared to do that since i am sendig multiple emails from the same template. i want to pass the user names. |
| 01:18.18 | nevyn | abrotman: IPMI is intels technical specification for all the stuff that dell/hp/blah build DRAC/ILO/* using |
| 01:18.19 | owen1 | each mail is sent to different username. |
| 01:18.25 | nevyn | ILO is the user interface to hp' |
| 01:18.32 | nevyn | ILO is the user interface to hp's BMC which implements IPMI |
| 01:18.44 | seeker60 | abrotman; thanks. see you guys another day |
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| 01:19.34 | karlpinc | owen1: m4 is macro substutition. In your case you want to substitue USER: m4 -D USER=joe file.m4 | mail -s 'sujbect' dan@test.com The file.m4 is not modified, every occurence of USER is changed to joe. |
| 01:20.00 | owen1 | karlpinc: oh. let me google for m4 |
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| 01:20.27 | karlpinc | owen1: Just install it and read the intro in "info m4". Or the on-line pages at gnu.org. |
| 01:21.41 | owen1 | karlpinc: oh. it's a package? cool |
| 01:21.47 | abrotman | nevyn: we have iLO at work . i forget the name of the IBM one |
| 01:22.13 | nevyn | umm RSA |
| 01:22.21 | nevyn | Remote Supervisory Agent |
| 01:22.50 | nevyn | s/agent/adapter/g |
| 01:23.02 | abrotman | nevyn: anyway .. you need to decide what features you want in the rest of your hardware i guess .. i knew i didn't want to deal with broadcom and binary video drivers, so that "limited" my choices |
| 01:23.04 | karlpinc | nevyn: Now I'm remembering. We were sucking up twice the IP addresses because the on-board management wanted one. (Which is fine, if it's expected.) |
| 01:23.40 | nevyn | karlpinc: they shouldn't be in the same subnet. |
| 01:23.51 | nevyn | abrotman: see I'd rather not deal with those things either. |
| 01:24.12 | nevyn | but I can deal with nouveau and bitlbee so it might be fun to have optimus graphics |
| 01:24.24 | nevyn | (the nvidia 3000 stuff where it has both intel and nvidia |
| 01:24.26 | karlpinc | nevyn: I can send you to an on-line vendor who does pre-installs in a pm if you like. I can't vouch for having lots and lots of experience but it's been good in my limited experience. |
| 01:24.52 | karlpinc | nevyn: Yes, separate subnets would be the right way to do it -- sadly that assumes sanity reigns. |
| 01:25.02 | nevyn | karlpinc: that's the way we do it. |
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| 01:25.30 | nevyn | ilos are not on the inband subnets and there are limited trusted gatweways into the management network. |
| 01:26.08 | karlpinc | nevyn: Are they smart enought to do vlan tagging? |
| 01:27.33 | nevyn | you mean 802.1q trunks or tagging at the switches? |
| 01:27.36 | nevyn | or both. |
| 01:27.39 | nevyn | we do all these things |
| 01:28.11 | nevyn | our virtual host systems actually have 802.1q etherchannel trunks to them (except I don't think networks can do etherchannel properly) |
| 01:28.14 | karlpinc | nevyn: I was thinking tagging at the switches, although trunks are always nice. |
| 01:28.17 | nevyn | but they are doing 802.1q |
| 01:28.34 | nevyn | karlpinc: sure. how else would you do it? |
| 01:29.09 | karlpinc | nevyn: You could be paranoid and have physical separation. |
| 01:29.27 | nevyn | right. |
| 01:29.34 | abrotman | nevyn: i specifically chose a lenovo model that had the hardware i wanted |
| 01:29.39 | nevyn | our enterprise security guys kinda want us to. |
| 01:29.52 | abrotman | still not happy that i need firmware for the wifi, but better than broadcom |
| 01:30.05 | nevyn | abrotman: so for me. the thing that's hard about lenovo is it's lenovo not ibm. and thinkpads are notasgood as they were |
| 01:30.10 | karlpinc | nevyn: (Although I can't see how that would work if you were going to use the management feature _and_ the nic too. :-) |
| 01:30.17 | nevyn | abrotman: blame japan. |
| 01:30.38 | nevyn | karlpinc: the management feature has a seperate dedicated nic on all systems I've seen |
| 01:30.52 | nevyn | oh theres'e an option for using a tagged port and a single link but it's .. flaky |
| 01:31.06 | karlpinc | nevyn: Maybe that's why I heard of all the trouble. |
| 01:31.52 | nevyn | abrotman: the problem is spectrum management and compliance |
| 01:32.11 | nevyn | the firmware controls stuff like power levels and frequency utilisiation |
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| 01:39.43 | abrotman | nevyn: you're right, but are they any better/worse than alternatives? |
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| 01:40.55 | nevyn | abrotman: so firmware is a problem for me as a Free software loving person. |
| 01:41.16 | nevyn | abrotman: is it really better that it's in flash on a chip on a device which is a pain to update. |
| 01:41.33 | nevyn | or loaded at runtime where it's easy to update. |
| 01:41.57 | nevyn | abrotman: same goes for cpu microcode |
| 01:42.13 | nevyn | would I rather have bugs in my cpu. or a firmware blob that makes my cpu not have bugs. |
| 01:42.17 | nevyn | or have different bugs ;) |
| 01:43.16 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:43.19 | nevyn | abrotman: it's something where I want all software that I use to be free. but that's something of a crock as there's all sorts of non-free firmware embedded in devices all over the place. |
| 01:43.47 | nevyn | and just because it's in an eeprom on the device rather than a file on disk is it really that different. |
| 01:44.13 | nevyn | debian btw says it's totally different and as soon as you can touch it it's software and non-free hence ripping all the firmware out and moving it to non-free |
| 01:44.51 | nevyn | not to mention that the regulations that that firmware implments (radio frequency and power allocations) can change. |
| 01:45.42 | abrotman | nevyn: but i think in general, you'll find much new hardware is supported .. |
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| 01:46.31 | nevyn | abrotman: oh this was a more general ethical problem semi-unrelated to my current need to buy hardware woes. |
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| 01:49.14 | manhunter | on debian sid , during boot, xhci module is missing/can't load |
| 01:49.19 | manhunter | how to fix it? |
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| 01:51.30 | cesaro | find it |
| 01:51.55 | manhunter | how to find it? |
| 01:52.13 | manhunter | if some package is broken for upgrading in sid, how to fix it? |
| 01:52.29 | manhunter | do i have to download the source code for that package and re-compile that? |
| 01:52.54 | abrotman | this is part of running sid, you sohuld already know how |
| 01:54.13 | manhunter | abrotman: how? |
| 01:54.23 | manhunter | abrotman: is this the process? http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial |
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| 02:08.06 | manhunter | hi, can anyone post a link to fix bugs/problem on debian sid manually? |
| 02:08.10 | manhunter | how to do that? |
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| 02:10.07 | alfplayer | manhunter: any kind of problem? |
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| 02:10.55 | manhunter | xhci module not loaded |
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| 02:26.53 | manhunter | how can i know which package has problems/bugs on debian sid? is there any command or so to find it? |
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| 02:30.11 | alpha2 | what 'bugs/problems' are you having? |
| 02:30.24 | alpha2 | usually you can find something in /var/log |
| 02:31.37 | manhunter | alpha2: in /var/log which file? |
| 02:32.08 | alpha2 | depends on what issue you're having |
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| 02:32.58 | manhunter | i want to search error/bugs/problem for any single package |
| 02:33.14 | Rienzilla | hmmm |
| 02:33.28 | alpha2 | prolly in the apt-get logs |
| 02:33.35 | alpha2 | but where are you seeing the errors and such? |
| 02:33.44 | alpha2 | like when you do apt-get install monkey |
| 02:33.48 | alpha2 | it should tell you the issues |
| 02:35.31 | manhunter | there is the monkey error , http://bpaste.net/show/24593/ |
| 02:35.41 | manhunter | what to do? |
| 02:35.59 | gnarface | dpkg: can you tell manhunter about bts? |
| 02:36.02 | dpkg | gnarface: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 02:36.07 | gnarface | dpkg: bts |
| 02:36.08 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 02:36.24 | gnarface | alpha2: ^^ |
| 02:37.07 | alpha2 | why are oyu pointing me to that |
| 02:37.09 | alpha2 | ? |
| 02:37.25 | gnarface | sorry i meant manhunter. also the topic has some link to "ongoing transitions" that may be relevant |
| 02:37.28 | abrotman | *headdesk* |
| 02:38.23 | manhunter | what would i do with that bug tracking, i want to fix that problem manually |
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| 02:38.48 | manhunter | what would i do here? http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 02:39.09 | gnarface | manhunter: you asked for "i want to search error/bugs/problem for any single package" that's what i thought that would help with |
| 02:39.21 | gnarface | manhunter: you can search for bugs in any single package |
| 02:39.47 | manhunter | error/bugs/problem for any single package on my system |
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| 02:40.25 | manhunter | how would fix that bug/problem manually? |
| 02:40.26 | gnarface | oh you mean you want to find all bugs for all packages |
| 02:40.34 | manhunter | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=ext4dev |
| 02:40.55 | manhunter | gnarface: yes, what are installed on my sid system |
| 02:41.17 | manhunter | abrotman: why headdesk? |
| 02:41.40 | gnarface | manhunter: he hates it when i'm wrong |
| 02:41.50 | abrotman | it has nothing to do with gnarface |
| 02:41.55 | manhunter | i need to know how to fix bugs |
| 02:42.10 | gnarface | manhunter: how to fix them or how to report them? |
| 02:42.12 | abrotman | this is sometihng you learn how to do *before* your computer stops working |
| 02:42.22 | manhunter | http://bpaste.net/show/24593/ <= problem during aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 02:42.53 | manhunter | gnarface: fix them, not report |
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| 02:43.15 | manhunter | gnarface: if i can fix them manually by myself then i may report or not |
| 02:43.31 | gnarface | manhunter: first we have to figure out if it was a known bug or something you broke on your own |
| 02:43.49 | manhunter | http://bpaste.net/show/24593/ <= problem during aptitude dist-upgrade , what to do? |
| 02:43.53 | manhunter | gnarface: ^ |
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| 02:44.03 | manhunter | FATAL: Module ext4dev not found.^M |
| 02:44.07 | gnarface | manhunter: i saw it. i'm running the same kernel and didn't get that error, so WTF did you do? |
| 02:44.10 | manhunter | FATAL: Module xhci not found.^M |
| 02:44.32 | manhunter | gnarface: i did, aptitude update and aptitude dist-upgrade, that's it |
| 02:44.40 | manhunter | FATAL: Module zfcp not found.^M |
| 02:44.48 | manhunter | FATAL: Module dasd_diag_mod not found.^M |
| 02:44.56 | gnarface | jesus fucking christ don't do that again |
| 02:44.59 | manhunter | where are those module? |
| 02:45.21 | manhunter | do i have to recompile kernel again downloading the source? |
| 02:45.46 | manhunter | what is the reason of this error? http://bpaste.net/show/24593/ |
| 02:46.02 | gnarface | manhunter: just a guess here but i think compiling your kernel without a license |
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| 02:46.56 | manhunter | gnarface: where can i get the debian kernel(sid) source with license? |
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| 02:47.54 | gnarface | manhunter: i lied about the license. there's no such thing. what i meant was that you are dumb to be trying to compile your own kernel with an obvious lack of due diligence. i recommend you roll back to a stock sid kernel and stop trying to compile your own until you know what you're doing |
| 02:49.13 | manhunter | is it ? http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-source-3.2 |
| 02:49.30 | manhunter | why is it meta package? sug: linux-source |
| 02:49.32 | manhunter | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:49.36 | manhunter | what is meta package? |
| 02:49.42 | manhunter | where is actual package? |
| 02:49.58 | gnarface | blinks twice |
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| 02:50.16 | ZitZ | hello, i'm trying to get php5-auth-pam installd but I cant because I'm told that phpapi-20090626 doesn't exist, why does it depend on something so old? I'm running sid, but I still don't understand this. |
| 02:51.14 | LtL | hands gnarface a xanax |
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| 02:51.22 | optraz | how do i preselect the font display in the application (example eclipse) using fc command? |
| 02:51.26 | gnarface | LtL: can i get two of those? |
| 02:51.38 | LtL | gnarface: sure thing |
| 02:52.00 | dvs | calls the DEA |
| 02:53.17 | epsilon | ZitZ: did you run apt-get update and upgrade before installing? |
| 02:53.29 | ZitZ | yes sir, epsilon |
| 02:53.30 | optraz | mmm..foudn this |
| 02:53.33 | optraz | http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/Deployment_Guide-en-US/s1-x-fonts.html |
| 02:53.43 | epsilon | ZitZ: then its a bug, report it |
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| 02:54.33 | abrotman | judd: depends php5-auth-pam --release sid |
| 02:54.34 | judd | Package php5-auth-pam in sid/i386 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.1.3), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), phpapi-20090626+lfs. |
| 02:54.49 | abrotman | ZitZ: is that the version your error wants? |
| 02:55.09 | ZitZ | yes, abrotman, strangely enough |
| 02:55.20 | abrotman | judd: versions phpapi-20090626+lfs |
| 02:55.21 | judd | No package named 'phpapi-20090626+lfs' was found in i386. |
| 02:55.27 | abrotman | cute ... |
| 02:55.41 | ZitZ | apparently, apache-mod-php5 is supposed to provide it? |
| 02:56.14 | epsilon | phpapi-20090626+lfs is the actual package name? |
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| 02:57.50 | ZitZ | it's a virtual package provide my libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 03:18.21 | owen1 | maybe -r |
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| 03:59.36 | MK` | So Debian stable only updates software for critical/security updates, but not otherwise, correct? |
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| 04:01.03 | dvs | correct |
| 04:02.00 | bantamug | hi - does anybody have any pointers for getting 24-bit flac audio output working / how to confirm it is working? |
| 04:02.02 | MK` | Ok, trying to learn more and figure out if debian/which debian version is good for me :) |
| 04:02.22 | Diopter | bantamug: Do you mean outputting 24-bit audio to your sound card, from a FLAC source? |
| 04:02.33 | Diopter | bantamug: Or do you mean decoding 24-bit FLAC, into whatever format your card supports |
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| 04:04.40 | bantamug | Diopter: outputting 24-bit audio to my ICH9 intel card from a flac sourc.e |
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| 04:09.13 | LtL | bantamug: audacity is a pretty good sound tool, it's in the repo's or can be built from source, search sourceforge |
| 04:09.56 | Diopter | bantamug: Ok. So, cat /proc/asound/card*/codec* | grep bits |
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| 04:10.11 | Diopter | See if any of the entries show 24 |
| 04:11.36 | bantamug | Diopter: OK, looks like I can do 24: bits [0xe]: 16 20 24 |
| 04:12.23 | Diopter | Cool |
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| 04:12.29 | Diopter | So now you just need to test 24 bit output. |
| 04:12.36 | deadmund | What do I need to install / configure so that php's mail function works? |
| 04:13.09 | bantamug | Diopter: so I'm playing what I think is a 24-bit file in both audacious and rhythmbox but I can't tell if they're being downsampled or played correctly |
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| 04:13.28 | nevyn | bantamug: use aplay. and use hw:0 (for testing. |
| 04:13.30 | Diopter | bantamug: Ok. You can look up info on playing streams |
| 04:14.08 | Diopter | bantamug: cat /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/hw_params, most likely |
| 04:14.11 | nevyn | using audacious/rhythmbox will go to default which will go to dmix/pulse/plug and be resampled to something arbitary |
| 04:14.18 | Diopter | (assuming card 0, sub 0) |
| 04:14.41 | nevyn | that's another way |
| 04:14.50 | nevyn | you could also examine the capabilities of the codec |
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| 04:16.15 | bantamug | Diopter: that looks like it's outputting "S32_LE" and and 48000 - more bits & less hertz! :) |
| 04:16.33 | bantamug | nevyn: what do you mean by capabilities of codec? |
| 04:16.40 | Diopter | Hehe. Do you think you're supposed to be outputting 96kHz? |
| 04:16.50 | Diopter | bantamug: You can cat the codec file I mentioned first, without the grep |
| 04:16.53 | jbrks | 96khz is studio quality.. lots of hd |
| 04:17.37 | Diopter | 96kHz is also really only useful for the oversampling properties |
| 04:17.47 | nevyn | bantamug: the internal soundcard has two parts. the HDA interface (in the southbridge) and the codec (which contains all the D>A and amplifiers and stuff) |
| 04:18.26 | nevyn | the capabilities of your internal soundcard are dictated far more by the capabilities of your codec than by the capabilites of the HDA interface |
| 04:18.46 | Diopter | Usually the HDA interface can do basically anything. |
| 04:18.55 | nevyn | right. |
| 04:19.42 | bantamug | Diopter: hehe, OK - I've just got some 24bit/96k recording I'd like to listen to as they are. Usually have a DVD-A/SACD hooked up to a DAC/AMP - want to see if I can use my laptop as a music source. |
| 04:19.53 | nevyn | integrated soundcards are more complex from a signal routing and control point of view than most "pro" cards |
| 04:20.15 | bantamug | nevyn: so "/proc/asound/card0/codec#0" is my "codec" ? |
| 04:20.19 | nevyn | yep |
| 04:20.34 | nevyn | a card can have multiple codecs |
| 04:20.50 | nevyn | in particular this is how onboard winmodems work. |
| 04:20.58 | nevyn | they're an additional codec on the same card. |
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| 04:21.45 | Diopter | Codecs in this particular case are firmware. Loaded into the card by software, to function in lieu of hardware |
| 04:21.52 | nevyn | nope |
| 04:22.13 | Diopter | Well, the case of winmodems rather. Not HDA. Unless that's no longer the case? |
| 04:22.24 | bantamug | nevyn: OK, so my codec can definitely output 24bit/96k reading the output of catting it but how I can tell what it's actually doing? OK, so how can I tell if dmix/pulse/plug are doing resampling - haven't consciously installed them as far as I know. |
| 04:22.42 | Diopter | bantamug: Do you have an .asoundrc in ~ or an /etc/asound.conf? |
| 04:22.53 | nevyn | by default you'll get dmix at 32bit_LE and 44.1 or 48000 |
| 04:23.16 | bantamug | Diopter: neither. |
| 04:23.41 | nevyn | try /usr/lib/alsa/* |
| 04:23.55 | nevyn | alsa.conf |
| 04:23.55 | Diopter | bantamug: Then you're running on default ALSA, most likely |
| 04:23.59 | nevyn | right. |
| 04:24.03 | nevyn | which does dmix and plug |
| 04:24.54 | bantamug | nevyn: no /usr/lib/alsa - just /usr/lib/alsa-lib/ and there's no asoundrc there. |
| 04:25.09 | nevyn | bantamug: locate alsa.conf |
| 04:25.26 | bantamug | nevyn: nada |
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| 04:25.39 | Diopter | Might be /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf |
| 04:26.02 | nevyn | /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf |
| 04:26.03 | nevyn | yeah |
| 04:26.05 | bantamug | nevyn: oh, my mistake - got it in /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf |
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| 04:29.01 | bantamug | nevyn: so I need to edit this file to do 24bit/96k when it corresponds to the source? |
| 04:29.09 | nevyn | bantamug: beware your're entering a maze of twisty asound macro's all different |
| 04:29.14 | nevyn | bantamug: no. |
| 04:29.27 | nevyn | so. plug/dmix can't do passthrough. |
| 04:29.37 | nevyn | they ALWAYS resample to combine sources |
| 04:29.44 | nevyn | pulse however can do passthrough |
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| 04:30.03 | nevyn | has gtg. |
| 04:31.16 | bantamug | nevyn: OK - thanks for the pointers so far! |
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| 04:38.24 | owen1 | i use mail to send email from the terminal. -r works from my mac but not from centos box. how to specify the email i am sending from? |
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| 04:39.20 | LtL | owen1: -u maybe |
| 04:40.15 | boudiccas | owen1; by asking in #centos? |
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| 04:40.44 | owen1 | LtL: i'll give it a try |
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| 04:54.46 | athit | Hi, |
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| 04:57.47 | Diopter | Howdy |
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| 05:18.34 | athit | Hi, |
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| 05:35.12 | s3a | I hibernated my computer and there is something I didn't save (because I can't until I am done using it) and I resumed my computer and it hanged and it's not responding to keyboard keys or ssh or anything I can think of. Can I power it off and then somehow try to make it re-resume without wiping the contents of the swap partition? |
| 05:35.24 | s3a | I'm using stable/squeeze. |
| 05:35.33 | s3a | I didn |
| 05:35.41 | s3a | 't do anything crazy. Just regular usage. |
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| 05:40.13 | Diopter | s3a: You might be able to specify resume= on the kernel commandline in grub, or something. |
| 05:41.01 | s3a | Diopter, so i choose e for edit and then add resume=on on the lowest line? |
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| 05:41.43 | Diopter | s3a: I'm not telling you "type this it will work!" |
| 05:41.49 | Diopter | I'm suggesting a starting point to google from :P |
| 05:42.00 | s3a | o lol |
| 05:42.03 | Diopter | Not familiar with precisely how hibernate resumes |
| 05:42.05 | s3a | well i was already googling |
| 05:42.11 | Diopter | But resume= is somewhere in my brain |
| 05:42.13 | Diopter | :D |
| 05:42.26 | s3a | lol |
| 05:42.36 | s3a | ya, it sounds like a good start |
| 05:42.38 | s3a | thanks |
| 05:42.44 | Diopter | Sure |
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| 05:52.24 | speedrunnerG55 | Hi |
| 05:52.31 | theBlakeBrown | Hi |
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| 05:56.02 | tehrabbitt_ | anyone here have a fax machine? |
| 05:56.36 | Diopter | tehrabbitt_: I use an internet fax service |
| 05:57.08 | tehrabbitt_ | Diopter: would you be willing to send me a test fax to my #? I just finished setting up asterisk on my server and I want to see if I did it right lol |
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| 05:57.29 | theBlakeBrown | Yeah right by my Typewriter and Abacus |
| 05:57.42 | civillian | tehrabbitt_: post the number :P |
| 05:57.49 | civillian | black fax time! |
| 05:58.00 | Diopter | Wardial ahoy! |
| 05:58.02 | tehrabbitt_ | black fax time? |
| 05:58.06 | Diopter | lol |
| 05:58.10 | tehrabbitt_ | i'm guessing a page of nothing but black? lol |
| 05:58.12 | theBlakeBrown | lol |
| 05:58.12 | Diopter | Sending a fax of solid black |
| 05:58.18 | tehrabbitt_ | haha damn that's evil :-| |
| 05:58.20 | Diopter | Eats up fax bandwidth and ink like crazy :P |
| 05:58.31 | tehrabbitt_ | hmmm |
| 05:58.33 | tehrabbitt_ | actually... |
| 05:58.44 | tehrabbitt_ | could you do that to my #? I want to see how asterisk handles it |
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| 05:58.49 | tehrabbitt_ | mostly the bandwidth / jitter part |
| 05:59.00 | Diopter | lawlz |
| 05:59.11 | tehrabbitt_ | it stores them as .tiff files so no worries about ink |
| 05:59.34 | tehrabbitt_ | my biggest worry is that i'll be waiting one day for an important fax, and it wont go through due to some weird VoIP issue |
| 05:59.42 | tehrabbitt_ | *thinking* that I set it up right |
| 05:59.44 | tehrabbitt_ | lol |
| 05:59.45 | civillian | tehrabbitt_: you using T.38? |
| 06:00.14 | tehrabbitt_ | civillian: asterisk is configured to use it, yes, and so is flowroute, though i'm not sure who flowroute purchases their lines from etc |
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| 06:01.14 | civillian | tehrabbitt_: and your ATA? |
| 06:01.24 | tehrabbitt_ | civillian: no ATA involved lol... |
| 06:01.31 | civillian | tehrabbitt_: nice |
| 06:01.34 | tehrabbitt_ | asterisk itself should be saving the incoming fax as a .tiff file |
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| 06:01.46 | tehrabbitt_ | which when I get around to it, i'm going to set up an email script |
| 06:02.31 | civillian | tehrabbitt_: tiffs can be big, potentially DoS-able. Wear protection. |
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| 06:03.22 | tehrabbitt_ | civillian: ouch :-| did not think of this lol |
| 06:03.26 | Tiffy | I'm slim and non-DoSable, ty. |
| 06:03.36 | civillian | Tiffy: nice |
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| 06:04.01 | tehrabbitt_ | civillian: i'm guessing if someone set up an autodialer, dialing every minute on the minute, sending a page of pure black for instance, it could eat up all the diskspace / prevent legit faxes from being saved? |
| 06:04.19 | civillian | tehrabbitt_: for sure |
| 06:04.23 | tehrabbitt_ | ouch |
| 06:04.42 | theBlakeBrown | Fax DOS attack |
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| 06:05.04 | tehrabbitt_ | civillian: well hm, PDF would be the other way to go, but I don't know of any "free" modules for asterisk that support it |
| 06:05.07 | tehrabbitt_ | just TIFF |
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| 06:05.16 | tehrabbitt_ | personally, i'd love PNG |
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| 06:06.05 | civillian | tehrabbitt_: without knowing asterisk, debian has heaps of conversion tools available, I'm sure PDF / PNG would be do-able |
| 06:06.46 | tehrabbitt_ | hm so I could use a tool that converts whatever TIFF is created into a PNG / PDF and then invoke my mail script to send the file as an attachment? |
| 06:06.48 | funky_c | Hey guys - anyone know about the accounts-daemon service, and whether or not I can stop it for my rails based web serve? It's taking up ~100 mb of memory, would love to can it but don't know what it does. |
| 06:06.55 | funky_c | Internet hasn't been helpful. |
| 06:06.58 | civillian | tehrabbitt_: yes |
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| 06:07.16 | tehrabbitt_ | civillian: that sounds like a decent idea :-D |
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| 06:07.40 | tehrabbitt_ | What would you say the best CLI tool would be to use in an sh script to convert from tiff to png |
| 06:07.48 | tehrabbitt_ | or better yet, PDF |
| 06:07.51 | civillian | tehrabbitt_: check out libtiff-tools, it's got something called tiff2pdf |
| 06:07.57 | tehrabbitt_ | hm okay! |
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| 06:10.00 | tehrabbitt_ | anyone still able or willing to send me a test fax? |
| 06:10.41 | tehrabbitt_ | (so that way I can confirm it works before I spend time trying to convert tiffs that may or may not be created lol |
| 06:11.05 | dsdeiz | hi, i'm trying to build megaglest though it's saying that it needs font-liberation and font-uralic, any ideas how to bypass this? can't find this packages on any version of debian |
| 06:11.14 | civillian | tehrabbitt_: check out http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00259105&lc=en&cc=us&product=2512008&rule=4965&dlc= |
| 06:11.35 | Diopter | dsdeiz: fonts-liberation fonts-uralic |
| 06:11.43 | tehrabbitt_ | civillian: yeah, i found that earlier, but it only helps if I can *send* faxes too... right now it's Receive-only |
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| 06:12.29 | civillian | tehrabbitt_: I thought you send a fax to that number and get a callback, but I only read it quickly |
| 06:12.29 | dsdeiz | meh, my bad. thx |
| 06:13.05 | tehrabbitt_ | civillian: well yes, thats how it works, you send a fax to that number, and it sends a confirmation page back to you... problem is, I have no way of sending a fax to that number since my fax # is set up as receive only right now |
| 06:13.47 | civillian | tehrabbitt_: I see. Anyways, good luck I'm off |
| 06:13.57 | tehrabbitt_ | lol alrighty |
| 06:14.22 | funky_c | Anyone know what the "accounts-daemon" process does? |
| 06:14.26 | tehrabbitt_ | Diopter: would you be able to send me like a 1 -2 page fax? |
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| 06:15.56 | tehrabbitt_ | or anyone for that matter? |
| 06:16.47 | Diopter | tehrabbitt_: Erm, sec. I can. |
| 06:16.51 | Diopter | PM me the number |
| 06:17.09 | Diopter | My fax service lets me e-mail documents to #@someaddress.com |
| 06:17.13 | Diopter | And it will fax 'em |
| 06:17.21 | tehrabbitt_ | Diopter: awesome alright |
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| 06:20.13 | WormFood | what package do I need for stable to get cups-lpd support? (so that clients can print via the older lpd protocol on port 515) |
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| 06:23.03 | kremlon | hello! |
| 06:23.11 | somiaj | WormFood: I think it is cups-bsd |
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| 06:23.55 | WormFood | somiaj, that is already installed, and I don't see a cups-lpd command. |
| 06:24.10 | somiaj | WormFood: dpkg -L cups-bsd |
| 06:24.15 | somiaj | I belive it will just be called lpd |
| 06:24.28 | WormFood | not there |
| 06:25.01 | WormFood | and according to the cups references I'm reading, it says it is named cups-lpd |
| 06:25.25 | narcislinux | how should install gnome in debian wheezy? |
| 06:25.29 | somiaj | that is just the package name, the actuall commands are /usr/bin/lpq, /usr/bin/lpr, /usr/bin/lprm |
| 06:25.31 | kremlon | what is the purpose of the unix printing system? |
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| 06:25.53 | theBlakeBrown | to print |
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| 06:26.08 | kremlon | that makes sense |
| 06:26.46 | Diopter | CUPS was built by Apple. They did a pretty awesome job |
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| 06:29.41 | WormFood | somiaj, I need the lp daemon, not the lp queue and other tools...those are provided by cups for backwards compatibility |
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| 06:30.20 | somiaj | WormFood: well the dameon is part of the cups package |
| 06:30.31 | WormFood | then what is the name of it? |
| 06:30.33 | somiaj | WormFood: /usr/lib/cups/daemon/cups-lpd |
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| 06:31.03 | WormFood | that is amazing! it isn't in the path |
| 06:31.09 | WormFood | thanks somiaj |
| 06:31.33 | somiaj | because it probabaly isn't supose to be run directally |
| 06:31.40 | somiaj | cups is your print daemon |
| 06:32.04 | WormFood | I know. I need to provide support for an old style client |
| 06:32.18 | WormFood | I wished they'd just support cups or samba printing, but noooo, they have to support lpd |
| 06:32.43 | WormFood | LPD client support is provided via the cups-lpd(8) program. Incoming LPD requests are accepted on TCP port 515 by the local inetd(8), launchd(8), or xinetd(8) process and forwarded to the cups-lpd program for conversion to the corresponding IPP request(s). |
| 06:33.15 | laite | Hi, how can I disable automounting usb in squeeze |
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| 06:34.15 | somiaj | laite: that is probabaly done with gnome. by default debian doens't have an auto mounter, not sure how to disable it in gnome. I would look into gnome settings or nautlus |
| 06:34.59 | laite | somiaj: thanks, I'm using xfce and it seems that I can change this in thunar's settings |
| 06:35.47 | laite | thought it would be more difficult, it usually always is 8) |
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| 06:36.17 | somiaj | things like that are usually part of the desktop enviorment to make it easier for novice users |
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| 07:08.39 | ekontsevoy | I don't see anything about tmpfs in /etc/fstab, but df reports that I have /tmp mounted as tmpfs. Where can i disable that? |
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| 07:11.59 | nevyn | try /etc/default/tmpfs |
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| 07:13.04 | ekontsevoy | nevyn: thanks, but it doesn't allow me to disable it completely, just change the size. |
| 07:13.14 | ekontsevoy | I want /tmp to be a regular dirctory mounted on / |
| 07:13.47 | ekontsevoy | I have this project which won't run until it can allocate a ton of temp. files and they don't fit |
| 07:14.51 | nevyn | try /etc/default/rcS setting RAMTMP=no |
| 07:15.06 | nevyn | man rcS |
| 07:15.39 | nevyn | which you'd have gotten to if you read the deprecated notice at the top of /etc/default/tmpfs |
| 07:16.16 | nevyn | ekontsevoy: ^^ |
| 07:18.14 | ekontsevoy | awesome. |
| 07:18.25 | ekontsevoy | thanks! it worked |
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| 07:25.00 | pom | I've installed an init script myself to /etc/init.d and want to use update-rc.d to enable it on runlevels 2,3,4,5. The script has "# Default-Start: 2 3 4 5" in it's head and I run update-rc.d [scriptname] enable but only get "update-rc.d: error: no runlevel symlinks to modify, aborting" |
| 07:25.27 | pom | And honestly, I don't understand that message. I thought the program created symlinks, so why would it require any from the start? |
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| 07:27.48 | disappearayo | how does the whole header looks? |
| 07:28.04 | disappearayo | where the script name is specified and the dependencies etc |
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| 07:29.40 | pom | http://pastebin.com/3GxghBrB |
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| 07:30.08 | pom | The header is taken and modified from Debians nginx start script. |
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| 07:31.04 | disappearayo | try insserc -r deamonname |
| 07:31.08 | disappearayo | insserv |
| 07:31.13 | disappearayo | and then insserv deamonname |
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| 07:31.53 | disappearayo | i am not sure if update-rc.d reads the init info |
| 07:31.53 | pom | Both ran quitely. |
| 07:32.18 | disappearayo | k then check the /etc/rc.num directorys for simlynks |
| 07:32.22 | disappearayo | symlinks |
| 07:32.40 | disappearayo | now they should be there ;) |
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| 07:34.12 | pom | Brilliant. Thanks! |
| 07:35.04 | disappearayo | nice =) thanks |
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| 07:43.33 | disappearayo | hey pom, update-rc.d can also do this for you |
| 07:43.53 | disappearayo | but you need the defaults option after the name from the init script |
| 07:44.08 | disappearayo | here an example which is also descriped in the manual |
| 07:44.09 | disappearayo | Insert links using the defaults: |
| 07:44.09 | disappearayo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.09 | disappearayo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.09 | disappearayo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.09 | disappearayo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:44.51 | pom | Welcome back =) |
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| 07:45.16 | disappearayo | ups ^^ |
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| 07:45.41 | disappearayo | http://paste.debian.net/158585/ |
| 07:46.18 | pom | Oh, okay. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks again! |
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| 07:58.58 | KindOne | I have a CLI install of debian, and I don't seem to have admin access to "make install", but i can do sudo apt-get get install ..., enter a password and that works? |
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| 07:59.43 | disappearayo | try a sudo make install |
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| 08:00.18 | KindOne | that worked |
| 08:00.33 | disappearayo | and did you also understood why? |
| 08:01.00 | KindOne | not one bit, got a link or? |
| 08:01.16 | somiaj | KindOne: just realize what you install via make install isn't seeing by debians package tools. What did you install that way? |
| 08:01.19 | disappearayo | type the following: man sudo |
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| 08:02.19 | KindOne | man sudo |
| 08:02.26 | Woet | ... in your terminal |
| 08:02.39 | Woet | :) |
| 08:02.54 | KindOne | thought you ment in here, that would get some bot to link a url :P |
| 08:03.41 | Woet | dpkg: man sudo |
| 08:03.43 | dpkg | man sudo is probably at http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=sudo where you can view many Debian man pages. Ask me about <docs> <dmp> <grounding> <search>. |
| 08:03.44 | Woet | :) |
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| 08:13.12 | henry-nicolas | Hello everybody, I'm running Wheezy on a laptop with an SSD and it's booting extremenly (too) fast :-) : from kernel loading to gnome 3 being displayed I only have ~ 2 seconds. I would like to get the boot process a little bit longer, I'v the plymouth boot splash feature enabled but not the time to enjoy its beauty :) How could I perform this "boot slow down" without hacking distro init script? thanks |
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| 08:14.26 | KindOne | disappearayo, thanks |
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| 08:16.52 | disappearayo | you welcome ;) |
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| 08:19.53 | pimientos | my usb sticks will not show up in /dev/ what should i do? |
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| 08:23.34 | disappearayo | when you put it into the slot and make dmesg, can you see something about it? |
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| 08:27.44 | Asteao | Hey Henry, did you try putting a delay into your grub config file? |
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| 08:47.54 | pimientos | my dmesg is usb 3-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 15 |
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| 08:52.23 | disappearayo | okay now make lsusb |
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| 08:53.41 | disappearayo | which windows manager do you have? gnome or kde? |
| 08:53.58 | disappearayo | the usb stick is recognized, but now it must be auto mounted |
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| 08:54.59 | disappearayo | this is normaly the part from udev https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Udev but the window manager normaly come with some extensions, which configure this by itself for you ;) |
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| 09:06.47 | antgel_ | hi all, not wanting to start an editor war, but i'm working on a html / css / js project and emacs isn't doing it for me (html-helper-mode is arcane). eclipse is too heavyweight, but can anyone recommend another editor to use for this? i'm a little scared of the vim learning curve |
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| 09:07.35 | colo-work | it's worth it though. |
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| 09:10.30 | MarlonZA | yeah, use vimtutor, and then just go the vim route |
| 09:10.51 | MarlonZA | itll take you a week or two to get rolling properly, and colo-work is right, it's worth it. |
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| 09:11.03 | MarlonZA | and will do anything you want it to do. |
| 09:11.21 | colo-work | even bake cake and cookies |
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| 09:12.11 | Diopter | Except for the part where it's not going to be more useful than emacs for your html/css/js project. Which is not to say it won't be useful, but finding vimscripts that provide emacs-like functionality is difficult at best, and the syntax engines are weaker, which is a bit frustrating. |
| 09:12.44 | Diopter | I think "I like this keybinding philosophy" is more important in your editor choice, ultimately. |
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| 09:14.45 | Diopter | That said, pick Something that has emacs or vi bindings, even if it's not emacs or vi(m). |
| 09:15.01 | Diopter | To do otherwise is folly, and will brickwall your productivity at some (not-too-distant) point. |
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| 09:25.00 | antgel_ | MarlonZA: i have two days to get this project done, and emacs is frustrating me. it's probably me not parsing something. but i really don't understand why it fails to indent so badly |
| 09:25.14 | antgel_ | Diopter: heh. as i said, maybe it's me. just frustrated |
| 09:25.41 | antgel_ | i actually think i use vim and emacs equally badly |
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| 09:26.41 | Diopter | antgel_: Elaborate on how you think it's failing to indent? Are you actually in the HTML major mode, or are you using some custom mode you think is a good idea to help you? |
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| 09:27.56 | antgel_ | Diopter: html-helper-mode, i think |
| 09:28.19 | antgel_ | Diopter: even when i press tab on certain lines, it's not lining up all <div> and </div> |
| 09:28.35 | Diopter | antgel_: Try M-x html-mode |
| 09:28.49 | Diopter | antgel_: Not sure what html-helper-mode is, but it's not stock with emacs23 |
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| 09:29.47 | antgel_ | Diopter: true. i thought the clue was in the name. do you edit html in emacs in html-mode? |
| 09:30.14 | Iridos | are there mechanisms in sshd to use virtual users from a database that don't have a unix accountfor sftp/scp access? |
| 09:30.30 | Diopter | antgel_: Yes, and js-mode, and css-mode. |
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| 09:31.21 | antgel_ | Diopter: okay, well it seems to be working better. i'll find the command to indent the whole file and then hopefully i'll be laughing |
| 09:31.26 | antgel_ | Diopter++ |
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| 09:32.41 | Diopter | antgel_: mark-whole-buffer (C-x h), indent-region (C-M-\) |
| 09:33.18 | Diopter | Pretty much equivalent to gg=G in vim |
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| 09:36.25 | Diopter | Bedtimes. Good luck |
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| 09:41.19 | fasta | How can I start a program on a specified virtual desktop with compiz? |
| 09:42.19 | fasta | Or more specifically evolution, since all the usual ways in which one is supposed to configure this don't work. |
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| 09:44.32 | manhunter | Xorg -configure, If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock |
| 09:44.35 | manhunter | and start again. |
| 09:44.37 | manhunter | what to do? |
| 09:44.40 | manhunter | i'm on fluxbox |
| 09:45.22 | themill | what are you trying to do... |
| 09:45.43 | themill | (otherwise the answer is obviously, "don't do that") |
| 09:46.21 | Iridos | do what |
| 09:46.39 | jelly | that |
| 09:46.47 | Iridos | oh, that |
| 09:46.59 | manhunter | to get xorg.conf |
| 09:47.01 | Iridos | fasta, supposing it's like any other WM, you could use wmctrl |
| 09:47.05 | Lukemob | hello, I've got such a problem.. I'm running Xen HVM virtualization, but my domU have no connection. The problem is, that arp packets are not received by vif interface in eth0 bridge (default Xen settings), while peth0 can see those packets without problem |
| 09:47.38 | manhunter | themill: i need to set the resolution to 1024x768 , how to do that? |
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| 09:50.07 | Iridos | manhunter, the actual error is Server is already active for display 0 ---> X -configure :1 |
| 09:50.31 | Iridos | oh sweet... when I do that, it segfaults |
| 09:50.33 | Iridos | fun |
| 09:51.28 | Iridos | manhunter, also have a look at xrandr ... that won't change resolution permanently, but things like gnome-display-manager can use it to set resoultion every time you log in |
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| 09:55.05 | Iridos | Lukemob, I still have no answer, but may I congratulate you on the progress you have made in regard of precision of your question since yesterday :) ("<Lukemob> does anybody understand ARP stuff?") |
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| 09:57.19 | crylx | hi |
| 09:58.11 | crylx | i need to run a openvpn server for a production environment. can you recommend a tutorial based on a debian installation? or would you recommend another distro/debian mod? |
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| 10:00.58 | joltcan | crylx: all info are pretty much in here: http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/miscellaneous/77-rsa-key-management.html |
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| 10:06.17 | crylx | joltcan: thanks. i'm actually looking for a complete step by step howto.... |
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| 10:06.39 | luffha | hi guys, how do i give a specific user, write-rights to a specific folder and its subfolders/contents? additinal to the owner ofcourse. |
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| 10:08.41 | MarlonZA | chown it to that user |
| 10:08.53 | MarlonZA | and then chmod it appropriately |
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| 10:09.35 | hroi | hi |
| 10:09.45 | hroi | anyone got experience with the pgrep/pkill tools? |
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| 10:16.16 | cromag | does htpasswd use /tmp for temporary stuff usgin -b switch ? |
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| 10:20.21 | konverguoju | hi, did anyone have problems with pulse audio playback? like sometimes it assumes there is some other app using audio playback at that moment, but there isn't |
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| 10:21.49 | colo-work | me personally, never |
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| 10:24.13 | Lukemob | Iridos, thank you :-) I've been spending all days searching.. |
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| 10:29.15 | somethinginteres | hi all, X wont start after installing nvidia drivers as per wiki "Use module-assistant" at http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Methods |
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| 10:30.49 | somethinginteres | says "couldn't open module "nv" in the xorg.log |
| 10:31.53 | babilen | somethinginteres: We typically recommend to use DKMS as detailed in "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" as it is superiour to module-assistant. You, most likely, forgot to create a configuration snippet in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ for nvidia or a suitable xorg.conf (which shouldn't be needed) |
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| 10:34.28 | somethinginteres | babilen: It's true that I didn't create any config snippet. It just said to reboot, the wiki said the same thing if I was reading it right. Woops. |
| 10:34.34 | jelly | cromag: the easiest way to find out is to strace it and look at the open()ed or creat()ed files |
| 10:35.34 | babilen | somethinginteres: That wiki page is quite horrible IMHO -- Just remove the package created by m-a and follow the instructions from dpkg. Which card do you have? |
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| 10:36.19 | somethinginteres | babilen: I believe it's an 8800GT or something very similar |
| 10:36.42 | somethinginteres | babilen: sorry, how would I remove those packages created by m-a? (noob) |
| 10:36.55 | babilen | somethinginteres: What does "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" give you? (if you can't copy and paste just give me the PCIID (alphanumerical identifier at the end)) |
| 10:36.57 | somethinginteres | babilen: I am in the recovery console atm |
| 10:37.36 | somethinginteres | babilen: checking now.. |
| 10:37.37 | babilen | somethinginteres: I don't know the name of the package that is created and installed by m-a, but guess that it is listed in "aptitude search ~i~nnvidia" |
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| 10:38.51 | arinov | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:39.07 | babilen | arinov: What are "cyr symbols" ? |
| 10:39.27 | somethinginteres | babilen: It's a Gefore 8800GTS [10de:0193] |
| 10:39.30 | themill | Cyrillic at a wild guess |
| 10:39.50 | babilen | themill: Probably :-/ |
| 10:39.58 | babilen | somethinginteres: Thanks -- One second please. |
| 10:40.34 | Argafal | Hi folks. I am looking for a remote control solution that is capable of showing OpenGL renderings. I tried VNC (tightVNC packages) which is very much ok EXCEPT that OpenGL wont work on it. |
| 10:40.42 | Argafal | I want to use stellarium on the remote machine |
| 10:41.03 | babilen | somethinginteres: Yeah, your card is supported by the driver version in Debian stable and you can just follow "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" (cf. ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/195.36.31/README/README.txt) |
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| 10:41.51 | arinov | babilen: cyrillic |
| 10:42.12 | arinov | i have rectangles instead of it |
| 10:42.41 | somethinginteres | babilen: hmm apt search gave me a ton of packages matching nvidia |
| 10:43.53 | babilen | somethinginteres: Could you install pastebinit and run 'aptitude search ~i~nnvidia | pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net' |
| 10:44.48 | somethinginteres | babilen: I would but I'm also trying to get my wirelss working from recovery mode. Doesn't seem to want to cooperate |
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| 10:45.46 | themill | arinov: when you say "tty" do you actually mean "tty" or do you mean xterm/gnome-terminal/konsole/...? |
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| 10:47.46 | Argafal | should cpuburn cause "INFO: rcu_bh detected stall on CPU 30 (t=0 jiffies)" and a following stack trace on my machine? syslog: http://www.argafal.de/public/syslog |
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| 10:51.38 | hroi | how do I find the shortcut for a character on my keyboard |
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| 10:52.06 | hroi | ` |
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| 10:54.31 | babilen | hroi: Why do you need a shortcut for a single character? |
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| 10:55.00 | themill | hroi: some keyboard layouts require ` <space> or `` to get a `. |
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| 10:59.11 | hroi | babilen: themill: thanks, I will try to use space to find it, but would be nice if there was a tool for listing the shortcuts |
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| 11:00.00 | themill | hroi: that's not really a shortcut as such -- that's just the key mapping that you've selected (I'm guessing you've selected an "international" or "dead keys" keymap in X) |
| 11:00.13 | hroi | themill: right, not shortcut, keymapping |
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| 11:01.46 | Iridos | Lukemob, you could also try #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net. |
| 11:02.21 | Lukemob | thanks |
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| 11:07.52 | Guest71419 | !list |
| 11:07.53 | dpkg | guest71419: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 12:06.05 | Megaf | hi folks, is there anything more unstable than sid? I'm using sid here for a couple of days and it seems to work just fine... |
| 12:06.16 | colo-work | hehe |
| 12:06.30 | colo-work | you can always try experimental, but that's not a complete distro |
| 12:07.00 | moebius | can anyone tell me if low-latency option for kernel is any worth? |
| 12:07.03 | Megaf | I upgraded from Squeeze to Wheezy to Sid |
| 12:07.08 | moebius | cause i think i've noticed some delays when i'm using compiz. |
| 12:07.16 | Megaf | no problems at all |
| 12:07.19 | moebius | though it should be the other way around i guess, but... |
| 12:07.24 | moebius | that's what i hav.e |
| 12:07.39 | moebius | mouse gets a bit cheesy. |
| 12:07.54 | Megaf | fglrx still works just fine, OpenJDK fine, only problem is the flightgear version is a little bit old, or not new. |
| 12:07.57 | lasers | Megaf: Install Ubuntu 12.04? >_> |
| 12:08.05 | Megaf | lasers, heh, nah... |
| 12:08.18 | Megaf | me dislikes ubuntu |
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| 12:08.48 | lasers | Megaf: It is more unstable than sid though. |
| 12:08.55 | Rienzilla | why would you something that does NOT work fine haha |
| 12:09.13 | lasers | Boredom? |
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| 12:09.27 | Megaf | Rienzilla, well, to get even newer packages actually |
| 12:09.42 | moebius | Megaf, that doesn't always make any difference to you. |
| 12:09.52 | Rienzilla | don't run debian if you want the newest versions of software |
| 12:09.56 | moebius | Megaf, as i've noticed newer is most of the time doesn't mean better. |
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| 12:10.18 | moebius | Megaf, what you need is Arch linux |
| 12:10.30 | Rienzilla | get ubuntu if you like apt/dpkg, or even something else if you want bleeding edge stuff |
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| 12:10.50 | Rienzilla | I'm happy to wait for a year or two to have package maintainers make sure my stuff doesn't break |
| 12:10.56 | [jasper] | hej guys, what's the easiest way to install npm on debian? |
| 12:11.04 | Megaf | moebius, Arch? no thanks, that's really "crashy" |
| 12:11.12 | moebius | Megaf, hm.. most of the people praise it :) |
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| 12:11.32 | moebius | Megaf, though i've never used it and don't feel like doing that. For me Debian is the best choice out of all linux distros. I really can't use anything else. |
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| 12:11.37 | Megaf | actually, im happy with Debian sid, I just'd like to have the latest flightgear, |
| 12:11.52 | Rienzilla | sid may (and will) break at any time |
| 12:12.05 | Rienzilla | and if you want the latest $something you can always try to build it from scratch |
| 12:12.16 | moebius | Megaf, listen.. there are always some lacks and issues in each one of those distros. Haven't you realized that none of them is perfect? :) |
| 12:12.48 | Megaf | moebius, isn't Debian perfect?? :P |
| 12:12.48 | lasers | My HTPC runs Debian Sqeeze but with latest xbmc-git stuffs. |
| 12:13.04 | Megaf | xbmc really rocks! |
| 12:13.14 | moebius | Megaf, noone has a perfect linux system! Unless they use it for some specific things, one or two actions and that's it. But as a desktop environment none of are perfect, really. |
| 12:13.18 | moebius | Megaf, no, it's not. |
| 12:13.39 | moebius | Megaf, again, depends HOW. If you want to use it for servers then it's perfect i guess |
| 12:14.04 | moebius | Megaf, it works good as desktop too, but... you might encounter some things, which are nasty, but compared to other distros you can at least live with them! |
| 12:14.13 | Megaf | I use it for servers, Squeeze. For Desktop use I will get Wheezy |
| 12:14.28 | moebius | Megaf, i use squeeze for desktop. The rest is buggy. |
| 12:14.51 | lasers | Go in any other channel -- They'll tell you Debian only use OBSOLETE packages. |
| 12:14.58 | Megaf | well, my desktop is like a test machine actually, I'm not doing anything really important here |
| 12:15.05 | moebius | Megaf, with Wheezy i get no audio at all, and i don't feel like fixing it. I'd rather wait till they fix it. |
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| 12:15.14 | Megaf | weird |
| 12:15.29 | moebius | lasers, depends what kinda hardware you use. If you pc is a bit old then Debian is just perfect for it and twice as better than Ubuntu. |
| 12:15.47 | lasers | Y'all use Gnome2.3 on Squeeze? I'm tired of tinkering around with linux (for Desktop). |
| 12:15.49 | moebius | lasers, you can install latest stuff on it, MOST of it. Java, flash etc |
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| 12:16.04 | moebius | lasers, Gnome 2.x is great. Gnome 3 is a goddamn piece of shit |
| 12:16.10 | moebius | which is impossible to use at all |
| 12:16.21 | mavez | true story ^ |
| 12:16.22 | disappearayo | loool |
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| 12:16.30 | Megaf | moebius, I totally agree |
| 12:16.33 | lasers | moebius: It'll be better. Give it some time. 5 years at most. |
| 12:16.35 | moebius | everyone says that. Just go to any chan and ask them what they think of Gnome 3 ;) |
| 12:16.39 | mavez | awesome > gnome though |
| 12:16.42 | moebius | lasers, hahaha! 5 Years?! |
| 12:16.44 | Megaf | I must use XFCE here with sid |
| 12:16.56 | lasers | moebius: 3 years if you're lucky. :) |
| 12:17.01 | disappearayo | xfce is pretty cool lightweight ;) |
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| 12:17.15 | moebius | Megaf, to be honest, i don't like xfce. Yeah, most people find it nice and quick, but.. there are some things i don't like about it. |
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| 12:17.22 | Megaf | xfce is just like gnome used to be |
| 12:17.43 | Megaf | and it's more flexible and customizable |
| 12:17.45 | moebius | xfce, i don't like that right-click doesn't work... i don't like how the panels are configured... |
| 12:17.54 | moebius | Megaf that is. |
| 12:17.56 | lasers | I always have one problem. My Achilles's Heel…. Chrome does not work properly on amd64. >_> |
| 12:18.08 | moebius | lasers, for me it's perfect |
| 12:18.17 | moebius | lasers, i use Chrome here, latest version. All good. |
| 12:18.22 | moebius | lasers, amd64. |
| 12:18.27 | Megaf | lasers, here it crashes often |
| 12:18.32 | lasers | moebius: No lagging? Crashing? Jerking? |
| 12:18.33 | moebius | for me it NEVER crashes. |
| 12:18.34 | moebius | nope. |
| 12:18.36 | Megaf | what's your issue with it? |
| 12:18.36 | moebius | nothing. |
| 12:18.38 | lasers | Damn. |
| 12:18.44 | moebius | BUT.. i have another prob. With latest skype 2.2 |
| 12:18.44 | lasers | Megaf: You're the 1%. |
| 12:18.58 | moebius | now that sucka crashes always so i've been forced to use Skype 2.1 all this time. |
| 12:19.01 | lasers | We 99% deal with it… (I think). |
| 12:19.05 | Megaf | Opera working just perfect here |
| 12:19.14 | moebius | it's a known issue, Skype 2.2 crashes on Debian amd64. |
| 12:19.35 | Megaf | Skype works perfectly and beautifully here |
| 12:19.40 | Megaf | amd64 |
| 12:19.49 | lasers | Oh that was aimede at moebius, Megaf. >_> |
| 12:19.52 | lasers | aimed. |
| 12:19.58 | Megaf | megaf@debian:~$ skype --version |
| 12:19.58 | Megaf | Skype 2.2.0.35 |
| 12:20.04 | lasers | Megaf: You're with me. |
| 12:20.13 | moebius | Megaf, well.. maybe because you're on Sid, or your hardware is different, i dunno. |
| 12:20.21 | moebius | Megaf, but for me it crashes unmercifully. |
| 12:20.28 | moebius | 2.1 is rock solid. |
| 12:20.42 | moebius | and that one is ubuntu skype, intrepid. |
| 12:20.45 | disappearayo | i think it would be great if there were some taskel profiles predefined which you can use at installation: desktop-light, desktop-future, desktop-standard |
| 12:21.05 | moebius | but it's weird that you got probs with Chrome... |
| 12:21.07 | lasers | disappearayo: Wiki Debian Gnome have that imo. |
| 12:21.18 | lasers | disappearayo: http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 12:21.20 | disappearayo | and in desktop-light there comes xfce and in desktop-future gnome3 and in desktop-standard gnome2 |
| 12:21.51 | lasers | Too vague. :) |
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| 12:22.26 | disappearayo | hmm yea |
| 12:22.43 | moebius | i think today KDE4 is even better than Gnome 3 |
| 12:22.50 | moebius | although it's pretty much shitty too |
| 12:22.59 | disappearayo | but in my opinion, debian is much more a server then a desktop system |
| 12:23.13 | moebius | disappearayo, i can argue on that. |
| 12:23.30 | petemc | its the universal operating system |
| 12:23.43 | Megaf | yep |
| 12:23.48 | moebius | disappearayo, really, Debian is just more stable than the rest of the shit, so that's why they use old libs and stuff, to provide robust environment. |
| 12:24.02 | Megaf | you can use it to do whatever you want to, but you must know how to do and what to do |
| 12:24.06 | moebius | things that have been tested for a long period of time |
| 12:24.21 | disappearayo | okay thats true ;) |
| 12:24.47 | moebius | it's not meant to be server OS, it's just that people use it for that. |
| 12:24.47 | disappearayo | sorry for that, lets say, it is pretty nice for a server |
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| 12:25.34 | disappearayo | what do you guys think about linux from screch? is it good for learning? |
| 12:25.42 | moebius | for me it's the friendliest and decent OS ever. Ubuntu is mutated, it's a deviation, i don't find it nice. |
| 12:25.52 | disappearayo | *scratch |
| 12:26.02 | moebius | disappearayo, personally i wouldn't bother with it :) |
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| 12:26.56 | disappearayo | nono i dont misunderstod it in this way ;) |
| 12:27.54 | moebius | i dunno if it's good for learning.. maybe! |
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| 12:28.17 | moebius | but i believe it's quite time consuming as well ;) |
| 12:28.30 | disappearayo | yea okay i go out for lunch |
| 12:28.32 | disappearayo | seeya |
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| 12:39.58 | [jasper] | hej guys, I'm trying to install npm with socket.io and node.... |
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| 12:40.33 | [jasper] | can't get it done for some reason: npm install socket.io result in it not finding node.waf |
| 12:40.55 | [jasper] | node-waf to be precise |
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| 12:42.23 | [jasper] | can anyone help me with this |
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| 12:56.48 | moebius | can anyone tell me, does stable use preemtible kernel with low-latency desktop by default or not? |
| 12:56.51 | Benkinooby | hi, i got errors while 'rsync -rvPh /mounted/remoted/folder /local_folder' ...how can i find the broken files and redownload them... starting the same command seems to result in a total new download |
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| 13:03.28 | sweb | make : command not found ????!!!! |
| 13:03.28 | jelly | Benkinooby: rsync treats all local mounts as local filesystems, and transfers whole files. |
| 13:03.51 | jelly | !tell sweb about install it |
| 13:04.54 | Lukemob | :D |
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| 13:05.34 | jelly | Benkinooby: thus, it's often more efficient to continue a failed rsync by doing it from the remote machine to the local machine, even if it's via ssh. rsync -Prvh remote.server:/path/to/share/folder /local_folder/ |
| 13:05.35 | Benkinooby | jelly, so the -P is for nothing then? ... but even if it is like that, how can i make rsync to check if the file is already sucessfully transferred or if it has tobe retransferred? i didn't find anyhting in the man pages... maybe i use the wrong vocabulary |
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| 13:05.49 | Rienzilla | since we're on the topic of rsync :) |
| 13:06.03 | Rienzilla | I have an issue where an rsync from a remote location hangs sometimes (i.e I do rsync -az -e "ssh somewhere" user@host:/path /localpath). ssh authentication succeeds and rsync gets fired up at the remote host, however after a while it just sits there |
| 13:06.10 | tdn | How can I have my server get two DHCP addresses? It only has one network interface, but I would like to create some aliases for eth0 that also obtains DHCP config. I guess I will have to somehow assign different MAC addresses for each alias. How to do this? |
| 13:06.20 | Rienzilla | meanwhile, rsync/sshd on the remote side has died, but the local rsync is still "rsyncing", not executing the rest of my script that would detect failure and do something about it |
| 13:06.21 | jelly | Benkinooby: add -p to copy the timestamps as well, or add an option to ignore timestamps whne comparing |
| 13:06.58 | sweb | jelly: i want make |
| 13:07.06 | jelly | sweb: install it! |
| 13:07.39 | sweb | i install it but give me message not make file found. i configure my application by my own. i see make files |
| 13:08.02 | Rienzilla | any ideas how I can make rsync stop if it has not received data in a while? |
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| 13:08.42 | jelly | sweb: pastebin the outputs of "dpkg -l libc6 make" and "ls -l /usr/bin/make" and "echo $PATH" |
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| 13:10.49 | Benkinooby | jelly, thank you for your time and explanation... can the comparing done by rsync too or do i have to use diff and the manually go for the missing files? |
| 13:11.34 | moebius | is stable using low-latency mode kernel by default? |
| 13:12.06 | jelly | moebius: no. |
| 13:12.10 | moebius | ok, that's good to know. |
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| 13:12.16 | sweb | i want to configure any package by my own? any standard way? |
| 13:12.26 | moebius | cause i've compiled my own kernel with that mode enabled and some things seem to be delayed a bit now. |
| 13:12.39 | moebius | apparently... it works not always the way expected. |
| 13:12.53 | jelly | sweb: PLEASE pastebin the requested commands outputs so we can help you figuring out what's wrong |
| 13:12.56 | moebius | so it's voluntary preemtion, right? |
| 13:13.01 | moebius | preemption* |
| 13:13.20 | tdn | Is there a way to in-place turn a .tar.gz into a .tar.bz2? Maybe using pipes somehow? |
| 13:13.48 | jelly | moebius: no, linux in general does not do voluntary preemption like Windows 3.1 or Mac OS 7-9 did |
| 13:14.03 | moebius | hm... |
| 13:14.03 | jelly | or was it Windows 95-98 |
| 13:14.05 | CruX| | tdn: zcat tar.gz | bzip2 > tar.bz2 |
| 13:14.15 | moebius | so what's the initialy setting for kernel then? |
| 13:14.17 | moebius | initial* |
| 13:14.29 | moebius | server, desktop, or low-latency desktop? |
| 13:14.38 | jelly | moebius: kernel settings are available in /boot/config-* |
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| 13:14.57 | jelly | moebius: it's somewhere in between. |
| 13:14.58 | moebius | well.. yeah, thanks... when i loaded .config there was voluntary thing ticked. |
| 13:14.59 | tdn | CruX|, that is not in-place |
| 13:15.03 | moebius | hm.. i see. |
| 13:15.18 | CruX| | tdn: what is in-place ? |
| 13:15.30 | moebius | i mean in menuconfig |
| 13:15.36 | CruX| | compress tar.gz archive to tar.gz.bz2 ? |
| 13:15.44 | jelly | tdn: no, there isn't |
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| 13:15.50 | tdn | CruX|, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-place_algorithm |
| 13:16.13 | tdn | jelly, ok. |
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| 13:16.31 | jelly | tdn: you'd have to write it yourself and it'd be prone to data loss |
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| 13:17.55 | tdn | jelly, yeah. I think I might do that. I just thought that it'd been implemented already. |
| 13:18.16 | sweb | ali_: pastebin the outputs of "dpkg -l libc6 make" and "ls -l /usr/bin/make" and "echo $PATH" |
| 13:18.17 | ali_ | l |
| 13:18.27 | tdn | jelly, of course it is prone to data loss. I have backup in that case. However, a lot of time can be saved if I can do this in place. |
| 13:18.38 | sweb | jelly: he's my coworker. ty for guide |
| 13:19.03 | jelly | !paste |
| 13:19.03 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 13:19.07 | tdn | jelly, backup is not strictly backup, however, the data can easily be recreated if needed. It will just take a lot of time.. |
| 13:19.41 | Benkinooby | jelly, thank you again for your help... i used the -I to ignore timestamps and everything works now |
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| 13:20.13 | jelly | Benkinooby: adding -p to the mix is probably a better idea in the long run |
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| 13:20.59 | Benkinooby | jelly, thank you for that hint |
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| 13:22.47 | sweb | ArashM: pastebin the outputs of "dpkg -l libc6 make" and "ls -l /usr/bin/make" and "echo $PATH" |
| 13:23.15 | abrotman | wrong pereson ? |
| 13:23.43 | moebius | ok man, default settings for stable is voluntary actually. |
| 13:23.46 | moebius | so you were wrong. |
| 13:23.55 | moebius | but anyway, thanks for the hint :) |
| 13:23.59 | moebius | i checked config file. |
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| 13:25.30 | ArashM | jerry:http://pastebin.com/PEvDCS23 |
| 13:26.03 | arinov | i forgot, kde 3 can not be installed from aptitude? |
| 13:26.05 | ArashM | jelly:http://pastebin.com/PEvDCS23 |
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| 13:26.26 | abrotman | arinov: in what version of Debian |
| 13:26.30 | abrotman | ? |
| 13:26.56 | arinov | abrotman: in 6 |
| 13:26.58 | sweb | jelly: ArashM is my coworker check output of that. make file not found |
| 13:27.08 | abrotman | arinov: probably not .. KDE3 is dead |
| 13:27.29 | arinov | and 4 is not stable... |
| 13:27.32 | moebius | arinov, you can, but only on Lenny, which is basically dead too. |
| 13:27.41 | jelly | sweb: your coworker, ArashM, does not know how to use command separators. |
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| 13:27.49 | abrotman | sweb: has s/he installed the build-essential package ? |
| 13:27.58 | jelly | sweb: also, "make" package seems STILL not to be installed |
| 13:28.01 | arinov | ok how to install fourth? |
| 13:28.02 | moebius | arinov, and you probably won't be able to install it since it has no newer network adapters support nor SATA drives as far as i know. |
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| 13:28.21 | abrotman | moebius: that's a bit misleading .. |
| 13:28.29 | abrotman | there are multiple ways to accomplish that |
| 13:28.40 | moebius | abrotman, right, but he's not gonna do it anyway. |
| 13:28.54 | abrotman | moebius: and yuo have no fucking clue how old the target machine is |
| 13:29.01 | mquin | f |
| 13:29.10 | moebius | abrotman, didn't i mention that? |
| 13:29.37 | abrotman | moebius: nope, you just started telling him how old it is .. which may or may not be important or relevant |
| 13:29.41 | moebius | abrotman, ah, so i forgot. But i was going too anyway. |
| 13:29.50 | ArashM | jelly: how to install it |
| 13:29.51 | moebius | abrotmna, i was about to MENTION it. What the hell do you want from me? |
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| 13:30.26 | abrotman | arinov: do you really want KDE3? I'm not aware of any supported distro that includes it |
| 13:30.32 | abrotman | oh .. Maybe an old RHEL |
| 13:30.37 | moebius | that makes it clear anyway, that IT IS Possible to install it on older machine. BUT.. why bother if it's hardly even supported by now? Did i really have to go through all this? |
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| 13:30.59 | abrotman | moebius: you didn't .. you opted to go through all that .. you could have just stayed out of it |
| 13:31.12 | moebius | listen, i know what i |
| 13:31.16 | moebius | am saying |
| 13:31.24 | abrotman | uhhhuh |
| 13:31.28 | jelly | sweb, ArashM: aptitude install packagename, as root. You will probably want to install build-essential as well, it brings some often used build tools. |
| 13:31.34 | arinov | abrotman: i saw KDE 3 a couple of years ago and... today i have own computer and just ask about |
| 13:31.49 | arinov | if 3d is dead then 4th |
| 13:31.53 | jelly | abrotman: Trinity people have their own packages for squeeze, apparently |
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| 13:32.06 | abrotman | arinov: the closest you'll get is Trinity, but it's not supported by Debian at this point .. good luck |
| 13:32.15 | disappearayo | i think kde 3 could be shipped with open suse 10.2 |
| 13:32.16 | abrotman | jelly: :) |
| 13:32.19 | disappearayo | or 10.3 maybe |
| 13:32.35 | moebius | i wouldn't use Trinity now. It's still a bit... right. |
| 13:32.43 | moebius | though 3.5.12 was quite ok |
| 13:32.49 | moebius | but it's not available anymore. |
| 13:33.01 | jelly | and you're a leftie? |
| 13:33.07 | moebius | but you can still find distros shipped with that particular version |
| 13:33.09 | moebius | no |
| 13:33.14 | moebius | i'm not using it |
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| 13:33.35 | moebius | they have Ubuntu 10.10 with Trinity aboard. Right on their website. |
| 13:33.41 | moebius | 3.5.12. |
| 13:34.31 | abrotman | arinov: anyway, probably better to pick another WM/DE |
| 13:35.03 | ceed^ | Hi, I recently went to Gnome 3.2. Every time I open a gtk app from the terminal I get this error message: Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module". Any idea how I can get rid of it? |
| 13:35.18 | arinov | what is the best option kde-full or kde-standart if i want to remove dragon and juk after installation and replace it by vlc? |
| 13:35.25 | abrotman | ceed^: that's your theme .. |
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| 13:35.48 | arinov | where i will able to change DE software without reinstallation whole DE |
| 13:36.06 | ceed^ | abrotman: It is? I never set a theme. I've been using default. So it's something wrong in the settings for the default theme I'm using? |
| 13:36.18 | jelly | !tell arinov about install kde |
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| 13:36.49 | abrotman | ceed^: try changing the theme .. see if it helps .. do the apps still run ? |
| 13:36.49 | arinov | jelly: yes, i was on deb.wiki |
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| 13:37.08 | icedwater | Anyone know how to include Cantonese support for latex? I'm not sure which package from the repos provides such a thing... |
| 13:37.55 | ceed^ | abrotman: I will try that. Never changed theme in Gnome 3 before. Doesn't seem to be a trivial as in Gnome 2. The apps still run and look good, so it's just me not wanting an unexplained error message :) |
| 13:38.06 | moebius | just a bit of annoying remark from me again... no matter what you do to KDE4 that won't make it KDE3. Just keep in mind. |
| 13:38.06 | jelly | arinov: dunno, I used standard but don't remove things afterwards, just installed the preferred apps |
| 13:38.18 | arinov | is trying full |
| 13:38.27 | abrotman | ceed^: run them from menus, you won't see the errors :) |
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| 13:39.11 | moebius | arinov, you might like lxde actually. It's not as pretty as KDE3, but it's quite flexible. |
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| 13:39.31 | ceed^ | abrotman: But I know they are there! :) Oh well....I'll play with themes today I guess. |
| 13:39.40 | moebius | i'm personally not using it... cause i like a bit of eyecandy. Thus Gnome 2.x. But it's good still. |
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| 13:39.54 | jelly | !start a de war |
| 13:39.54 | dpkg | KDE blows goats! |
| 13:40.03 | ceed^ | really likes Gnome 3. Who would have thunk.. |
| 13:40.23 | abrotman | ceed^: I as well .. And I haven't even started using extensions yet |
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| 13:40.55 | icedwater | !start a de war |
| 13:40.55 | dpkg | GNOME blows! |
| 13:41.00 | icedwater | Nice feature :) |
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| 13:41.08 | ceed^ | abrotman: I did install one extenstion which I had to have: Weather! Took me a while since it couldn't be installed from the extension web page. Works great though |
| 13:41.19 | cysnap | :D kde or gnome ,what's your choice? |
| 13:41.26 | mauke | xmonad |
| 13:41.29 | abrotman | cysnap: not funny |
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| 13:42.05 | abrotman | ceed^: i'm not even sure i've changed the theme, so i probably wouldn't be much help for you there |
| 13:42.38 | abrotman | the biggest gripe i have currently is when you start typing to launch an app and it takes awhile |
| 13:42.53 | ceed^ | abrotman: I wonder why there's not s simple interface for changing themes. It's so basic. |
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| 13:43.17 | jelly | abrotman: Alt-F2? |
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| 13:44.17 | abrotman | ceed^: you might need the interface tweak tool |
| 13:44.22 | abrotman | jelly: not from that .. but that is faster |
| 13:44.35 | abrotman | jelly: i mean when you hit the Win key, and just start typing .. |
| 13:44.48 | ceed^ | abrotman: I got that, but even with that it's not as easy as in Gnome 2 |
| 13:45.04 | abrotman | ceed^: of course not :( |
| 13:46.08 | ceed^ | abrotman: All in all it seems like the Gnome devs wants us to run as default as possible. Some kind of new UI minimalism approach :) |
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| 13:47.25 | abrotman | ceed^: i guess, luckily i'm okay with the default layout mostly |
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| 13:48.30 | ceed^ | abrotman: So am I, but I know that my tweak itch will come sooner or later :) |
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| 14:03.13 | abrotman | jelly: oh, gnome3? NFC about unity |
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| 14:06.57 | swarog | i've just installed linux-images-3.2.0 on squeeze from backports. As far as i can see there is not initrd for it. Is that ok? Did they switch to rootfs/initramfs totally ? |
| 14:08.12 | abrotman | swarog: that is a mesta package .. did you install someting like linux-image-3.2.0-amd64 ? look in /boot/ ? |
| 14:08.13 | babilen | swarog: initramfs has been used since etch |
| 14:08.22 | babilen | !tell swarog -about bdo kernel |
| 14:08.39 | babilen | swarog: Could you paste the output of "aptitude versions ~i~n^linux-image" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
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| 14:09.18 | swarog | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/158620/ |
| 14:09.29 | swarog | ls /boot/*3.2.0* |
| 14:09.30 | swarog | /boot/config-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 /boot/System.map-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
| 14:09.36 | swarog | no initrd |
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| 14:10.03 | babilen | swarog: Which version of Debian are you running? Could you paste the output of "cat /etc/debian_version", "apt-cache policy" and your sources.list as well? |
| 14:10.17 | swarog | babilen: 6.0.4 |
| 14:10.49 | swarog | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/158621/ |
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| 14:11.31 | babilen | swarog: Well, I was just asking because you still have an etch'n'half kernel installed |
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| 14:11.56 | swarog | babilen: yes, i delayed installation of new kernel for quite some time, don't ask me why |
| 14:12.13 | swarog | babilen: i've installed 3.2.0 from backports, but i dont see initrd generated for it in /boot/ |
| 14:12.20 | swarog | babilen: is that correct behaviour or? |
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| 14:12.43 | babilen | swarog: You are aware that the installation of a new kernel is a very important step in the upgrade process from *lenny* to squeeze. It looks as if you didn't even complete the upgrade to lenny completely, let alone squeeze |
| 14:12.45 | swarog | babilen: kernel image seems a bit too small to fit all necessary modules in it |
| 14:13.27 | swarog | babilen: hmm, ok, can i upgrade to squeeze now?> |
| 14:13.42 | babilen | swarog: Your file list is fine, but I would double and triple check that you completed the upgrade (as detailed in lenny's and squeeze's release noted) |
| 14:13.45 | babilen | *notes |
| 14:13.55 | babilen | !tell swarog -about squeeze release notes |
| 14:14.05 | babilen | dpkg: tell swarog -about lenny->squeeze |
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| 14:14.50 | swarog | babilen: so, what you are telling is that i cant just jump from etch 2.6.24 kernel to 3.2.0 squeeze even if everything else is upgraded properly on system? |
| 14:14.56 | babilen | swarog: It looks as if you are in the middle of a (etch)→lenny→squeeze upgrade already. No idea what you've done and why you *still* have an etch'n'half kernel. |
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| 14:15.14 | swarog | babilen: just commented other kernel from grub |
| 14:15.23 | swarog | actually apt-get removed it |
| 14:15.37 | babilen | swarog: Honestly: I have no idea. I know that you need to upgrade udev and the kernel in one step and reboot during the lenny→squeeze upgrade, which you obviously didn't do. |
| 14:15.45 | babilen | Manually commented? |
| 14:16.08 | swarog | babilen: nvm that, i've apt-get removed new kernels |
| 14:16.21 | babilen | swarog: And I would upgrade to the normal kernel in squeeze first (i.e. complete the upgrade first) |
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| 14:17.33 | swarog | babilen: i already installed grub2 |
| 14:17.42 | ArashM | how to set time zone ? |
| 14:17.54 | babilen | swarog: *Please* follow the release notes for the lenny → squeeze upgrade |
| 14:18.01 | babilen | !tell ArashM -about timezone |
| 14:18.04 | swarog | babilen: ok thanks |
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| 14:19.29 | swarog | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/158622/ |
| 14:20.23 | LordDeath | what should I do if I read hundreds of failed login attempts in my log files? |
| 14:20.57 | LordDeath | login attempts on ssh and on my mail server |
| 14:21.23 | petemc | LordDeath: if you have good passwords and/or only accept ssh logins with keys you should be fine |
| 14:21.57 | LordDeath | but there is nothing to avoid this? |
| 14:21.58 | petemc | you cant stop people from trying to login, you can use apps like fail2ban to limit the amount of times they can try |
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| 14:22.30 | babilen | LordDeath: That is normal -- You can use something like fail2ban and make sure that your SSHD is configured securely. (i.e. no root logins, only key-based logins and passphrases for the key, …_ |
| 14:22.34 | babilen | ) |
| 14:23.19 | LordDeath | what if I have no physical access to my machine? I need root access over ssh :-/ |
| 14:23.44 | babilen | LordDeath: You login as your normal user and acquire root privileges via sudo or with su |
| 14:23.58 | LordDeath | that would work ^^ |
| 14:24.18 | babilen | swarog: What causes that? Did you already dist-upgrade to squeeze or are you at the "upgrade kernel and udev" step in the release notes? |
| 14:25.10 | swarog | babilen: i did |
| 14:25.22 | swarog | babilen: previously, |
| 14:26.06 | babilen | swarog: Well, that was wrong. (very wrong) |
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| 14:26.40 | swarog | babilen: so what now? |
| 14:27.07 | babilen | swarog: Which version of initramfs-tools do you have installed? Do you have backups from your system directly before you started your upgrade attempt? |
| 14:27.21 | swarog | babilen: no backups |
| 14:27.32 | swarog | babilen: initramfs-tools 0.98.8 |
| 14:27.36 | babilen | swarog: udev? |
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| 14:27.54 | swarog | babilen: 164-3 |
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| 14:28.58 | babilen | swarog: I guess that it is due to a non-working udev - I am (as of now) not entirely sure how to fix that error though. |
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| 14:32.41 | owen1 | i send email with the mail command (passing -u <user>) via a cron. the email is sent from root@mydomain instead of <user>. how to change it to user? |
| 14:34.26 | DelTree | owen1: -u is not for changing from at all... |
| 14:34.35 | owen1 | DelTree: oh |
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| 14:36.01 | babilen | swarog: Could you paste the postinst scripts of the kernel images in question please? |
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| 14:37.12 | swarog | babilen: can you name which one? |
| 14:37.22 | DelTree | owen1: the From: is actually data... maybe just adding the From: line you want in your text will do what you want... |
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| 14:38.16 | swarog | babilen: trying to install 2.6.32 http://paste.debian.net/158628/ |
| 14:38.38 | babilen | swarog: linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64.postinst more or less |
| 14:39.21 | disappearayo | anyone know how to get an lsi sas1064et working with debian 6 ? |
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| 14:40.06 | owen1 | DelTree: ok. thanks |
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| 14:40.56 | swarog | babilen: im failing to find it, its not in package |
| 14:41.34 | swarog | babilen: found it wait |
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| 14:42.02 | babilen | swarog: Should be (with all other maintainer scripts) in /var/lib/dpkg/info -- I have no idea if you can rescue your system, but it will probably be a lot of work. It is, however, this particular postinst script that fails and I want to know why. |
| 14:42.30 | babilen | swarog: I still guess that it is due to the fact that you upgraded udev and not the kernel (and that you are running an etch kernel now) |
| 14:42.42 | swarog | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/158629/ |
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| 14:44.40 | babilen | swarog: Looks as if find_initramfs_tool is failing -- Not entirely sure why though |
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| 14:45.18 | swarog | babilen: i think that initramfs-tools installed version is from backports |
| 14:45.20 | Iridos | is there a pdf viewer in debian that can fill pdf forms? |
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| 14:46.10 | babilen | swarog: Serious advice: Ditch your system and install squeeze from scratch. |
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| 14:46.32 | swarog | babilen: thats going to be a bit of a problem since it is remotely operated server |
| 14:46.38 | babilen | swarog: This looks like a lot of work and I apologise for not being willing to walk you through it. |
| 14:47.01 | babilen | Iridos: IIRC I used evince for that the last time I had to |
| 14:47.03 | Iridos | oh, allright - I think evince doesn't get it as horribly wrong as I thought |
| 14:47.22 | Iridos | babilen, yeah, I just used that, but got the impression it's not hitting all fields |
| 14:47.24 | swarog | babilen: too polite :) thank you for your patience |
| 14:47.30 | Iridos | but that was just because the form's a bit funny |
| 14:47.33 | swarog | babilen: i totally understand you |
| 14:47.36 | Iridos | so works \o/ |
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| 14:47.55 | babilen | huzzah! |
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| 14:47.58 | cmr | hey |
| 14:48.29 | cmr | sometimes, my server sends a DHCPREQUEST to 10.100.40.6 instead of the normal 255.255.255.255, why would it do this? |
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| 14:50.33 | cmr | the odd thing is that there's actually something in my isp's network at that ip that answers, and I get an incorrect IP back. |
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| 14:51.20 | cmr | the interface's configuration is simply "iface eth0 inet dhcp" |
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| 14:51.36 | Iridos | cmr, psychic spies from china trying to steal your minds elation? |
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| 14:51.45 | cmr | Iridos, hah, if only |
| 14:52.57 | Iridos | perhaps it's not the dhcp server but something else |
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| 14:53.44 | Iridos | that's not an IP for local networks? |
| 14:54.42 | cmr | 10.100.40.6 is an IP for a local network, yes |
| 14:54.49 | Iridos | seems not? |
| 14:55.37 | Iridos | class A |
| 14:55.54 | cmr | yes |
| 14:56.04 | Iridos | ah, right |
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| 14:56.24 | cmr | so it's probably somewhere inside my ISP's network |
| 14:56.55 | cmr | when I get a correct IP I get that from 81.170.234.3 tho |
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| 15:07.15 | DammitJim | I have a samba share on my server and just using geeqie to look at that mount, but it's taking to long to load |
| 15:07.39 | colo-work | well, image thumbnailing only works so fast... |
| 15:07.50 | colo-work | you could try if using NFS makes this better. maybe by a bit. |
| 15:08.02 | colo-work | also, try gwenview or mirage |
| 15:08.23 | DammitJim | I guess I'm wondering if I should install something on the server where the thumbnails are already generated? |
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| 15:08.53 | colo-work | thumbnails are always local to your ~ if your app follows freedesktop specs |
| 15:09.00 | swarog | babilen: initramfs-tools were not installed properly looks like. 2.6.32 successfully installed |
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| 15:12.33 | DammitJim | colo-work, the problem is that my original files are like 12MB each... if the software was looking at pre-processed thumbnails and just displayed them maybe it would be faster? |
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| 15:13.35 | colo-work | DammitJim, it certainly would be faster, but as I said, thumbnails are shared betweeb apps adhering to freedesktop/xdg standards anyway. |
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| 15:14.17 | DammitJim | colo-work, I installed gwenview.. it's very pretty |
| 15:14.26 | DammitJim | but it downloaded tons of libraries |
| 15:14.54 | DammitJim | not sure if that's a good or bad thing :D |
| 15:15.28 | colo-work | well, it's a KDE app |
| 15:15.43 | colo-work | it's my favourite image viewer, but I'm only using it on KDE machines |
| 15:15.44 | DammitJim | ah, that's why... thanks |
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| 15:23.40 | codemaniac | hello |
| 15:23.45 | codemaniac | exit |
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| 15:24.09 | Iridos | and a hearty hello exit, to you, too |
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| 15:24.36 | jelly | xv is the best image viewer ever! |
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| 15:26.45 | DammitJim | xv? |
| 15:27.05 | jelly | xv! |
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| 15:28.20 | Iridos | you dare name proprietary programs in here? |
| 15:28.56 | jelly | shareware ftw |
| 15:29.06 | Iridos | oh well, I admit I miss xv, too |
| 15:29.12 | DammitJim | xv looks pretty lightweight |
| 15:29.22 | colo-work | take a look at mirage |
| 15:29.25 | DammitJim | but not very current |
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| 15:30.41 | Iridos | so it's great for looking at old family photos |
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| 15:31.36 | jelly | needs to update his |
| 15:31.38 | jelly | ii xv 3.10a-jumbo20050501-1+jelly An image viewer and manipulator for the X Window System. |
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| 15:31.47 | Iridos | jelly, you're kiddin |
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| 15:31.51 | jelly | and the jumbo patch is up to 20090201 |
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| 15:32.16 | jelly | Iridos: I'm missing FEATURES! |
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| 15:32.41 | Iridos | aim better for them, then! |
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| 15:33.44 | jelly | confesses he sometimes uses gliv instead |
| 15:34.24 | hatoon | someone managed to put the gnome in 3 squee ? |
| 15:35.04 | hatoon | could help me how to get? |
| 15:35.15 | Iridos | jelly, feh! |
| 15:35.16 | babilen | hatoon: That will never happen and I would be *very* surprised if gnome3 appears in backports. |
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| 15:41.15 | Iridos | babilen, doctor, I prliminary diagnose SNS, what is your professional opinion |
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| 15:42.28 | dr_traktor | What is a package that you install on Deb64 so that you can run 32 bit applications? |
| 15:42.52 | jhutchins_wk | Given that there are at least three forks trying to avoid Gnome 3, I would even question whether it will be a default for wheezy. |
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| 15:43.57 | babilen | dr_traktor: util-linux + libraries (ia32-*) -- Which package/application is this? Why can't you get a 64bit version? |
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| 15:45.20 | dr_traktor | babilen, installing ia32 thanks |
| 15:45.40 | dr_traktor | its chrome's native client sdk tools |
| 15:46.09 | dr_traktor | i can't get it find libstdc++.so.6 so as a last resort I'm doing this |
| 15:46.39 | JyZyXEL | Greg Hartman STRONGLY encourages users of 2.6.32 to move to the 3.0 series |
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| 15:47.46 | babilen | JyZyXEL: Not gonna happen (wheezy will, however, release with 3.2 + selected backported features) |
| 15:48.06 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: depending on *where* he sais that it might be irrelevant for debian / squeeze users |
| 15:48.18 | JyZyXEL | lkml |
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| 15:48.28 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: sure lkml, but thats not specific |
| 15:49.05 | salamand1r | Hello, im trying to watch some youtube videos in chromium and I need html5 compatibility. How do I achieve that?? By the way, im here because Im on a debian squeeze |
| 15:49.30 | JyZyXEL | https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/3/4/58 |
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| 15:49.56 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: so thats irrelevant to debian |
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| 15:50.23 | colo-work | salamand1r, get Iceweasel 10 from http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 15:50.23 | JyZyXEL | yes because were still gonna roll with it for a year |
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| 15:51.06 | jhutchins_wk | salamand1r: It was my impression that was the default. What makes you think you need anything more? |
| 15:51.07 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: because its just a coincidence that the debian kernel coincided with a kernel that gets long term support upstream, and that upstream support is not and has never been required for debian |
| 15:51.25 | DammitJim | who is Greg Hartman? |
| 15:51.45 | themill | makes JyZyXEL read the replies to that post |
| 15:52.06 | colo-work | DammitJim, he is the superhero alter-ego of Superman |
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| 15:52.19 | DammitJim | whoa |
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| 15:54.31 | salamand1r | jhutchins_wk: what do you mean the default? Im asking if there is a way to make chromium html5 compatible because i cant see html5 stuff. Sorry about my english but my native leaguage is spanish and im trying to comunicate as good as posible |
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| 15:55.13 | valdyn | salamand1r: this is an odd question. Html5 is not final yet afaik, and there might not be a single browser on earth that supports it 100% ever |
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| 15:56.40 | salamand1r | valdyn: Thanx, |
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| 15:56.49 | salamand1r | valdyn: bdw what does afaik mean?? |
| 15:56.51 | salamand1r | =) |
| 15:57.00 | valdyn | !afaik |
| 15:57.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, afaik is As Far As I Know |
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| 15:59.01 | valdyn | salamand1r: cross posting is frowned upon |
| 15:59.32 | salamand1r | !frowned |
| 15:59.40 | valdyn | !dict frowned |
| 15:59.42 | valdyn | !dict frown |
| 15:59.43 | dpkg | Dictionary 'frowned' p. pr. & vb. n. {Frowning}.] [OF. froignier, F. frogner, in se refrogner, se renfrogner, to knit the brow, to frown; perh. of Teutonic origin; cf. It. in frigno wrinkled, frowning, Prov. It. frignare to cringe the face, to make a wry face, dial. Sw. fryna to make a wry face,] 1. To contract the brow in displeasure, severity, or sternness; to scowl; to put on a stern, grim, or surly look. [1913 Webster] The frowning wrinkle of her ... |
| 15:59.55 | DammitJim | !dict dammit |
| 15:59.57 | dpkg | could not find definition for dammit |
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| 16:01.32 | salamand1r | Im going to google a lot of things, sorry for de inconviniences and thanx |
| 16:02.06 | valdyn | salamand1r: i think you want a new browser. Squeeze cant have new browsers. But its possible to install new browsers in squeeze. |
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| 16:02.50 | jhutchins_wk | !es |
| 16:02.51 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 16:03.12 | Iridos | but my chromium from squeeze plays youtube-html5 just fine |
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| 16:03.38 | salamand1r | Iridos: out of the box??? |
| 16:03.44 | Iridos | yes |
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| 16:04.03 | salamand1r | grrrrrrrrrrrr |
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| 16:04.34 | salamand1r | Iridos: which version |
| 16:05.03 | Iridos | the one in squeeze 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze6 |
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| 16:05.10 | Iridos | judd, versions chromium-browser |
| 16:05.11 | judd | Package: chromium-browser on i386 -- squeeze: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze6; squeeze-security: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze6; sid: 17.0.963.56~r121963-1; wheezy: 17.0.963.56~r121963-1 |
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| 16:07.32 | Iridos | salamand1r, perhaps you installed an extension that somehow conflicts with it? |
| 16:07.46 | Iridos | try with a new profile or as a new user |
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| 16:09.40 | Iridos | salamand1r, what exactly is it you see other than a playing video? |
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| 16:14.16 | salamand1r | Iridos: missing plugin |
| 16:14.51 | salamand1r | Iridos: but I can see some youtube videos, flash videos, others I cant see, html5 videos |
| 16:14.52 | Iridos | that sounds like flash, though - are you sure it's the html5 page? |
| 16:14.54 | jhutchins_wk | salamand1r: Does it say what pluggin it wants to install? |
| 16:15.06 | jhutchins_wk | salamand1r: How do you know it's html5 videos that you can't see? |
| 16:15.14 | babilen | salamand1r: And you are sure that you try the HTML5 version? (did you join the trial?) |
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| 16:16.05 | salamand1r | babilen: I joined the trial |
| 16:16.22 | Iridos | salamand1r, what about http://html5demos.com/video |
| 16:17.03 | salamand1r | jhutchins_wk: it says a mssg in spanish about html5, I tink it is html5 videos that I cant see because I can see flash videos |
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| 16:17.29 | Iridos | salamand1r, you can switch googles page content language by appending "&hl=en" to the URL |
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| 16:17.50 | Iridos | (without the "-quotes, obviously) |
| 16:17.57 | salamand1r | Iridos: my native leaguage is spanish |
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| 16:18.13 | Iridos | but ours is not :) |
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| 16:18.50 | salamand1r | ok, new information |
| 16:19.07 | salamand1r | Iridos: i can see the cat video in www.html5demo.com/video |
| 16:19.29 | salamand1r | that means that jhutchins_wk is right and i dont know what im looking for =P |
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| 16:23.15 | Iridos | (also, haha... http://html5demos.com/video-canvas |
| 16:23.17 | Iridos | ) |
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| 16:24.07 | Iridos | salamand1r, so what IS the message about html5 (in English) |
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| 16:26.52 | salamand1r | Iridos: your browser does not recognize any of the video format available |
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| 16:27.36 | salamand1r | access html5 faqs here (click) |
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| 16:28.24 | salamand1r | Miss salamander is calling, Ill be back in half an hour, and ill keep bothering you =) |
| 16:28.30 | Iridos | what does http://www.youtube.com/html5?hl=en say that your browser supports it? |
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| 16:28.42 | Iridos | salamand1r, mine lists video tag, h.264 and WebM |
| 16:29.09 | Iridos | salamand1r, I think you might be missing support for h.265 because the libraries for it aren't installed? |
| 16:29.54 | jhutchins_wk | I'm on an ubuntu system atm, but Firefox 10.0.2 plays the second video just fine. |
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| 16:33.28 | zykotic10 | Any suggestions for sound suddenly stopping? Running squeeze, sound has been working fine for last 20 days (current uptime), but stopped abruptly last night (initial cause is unclear, was doing multiple things with audio and didn't actually notice for a while). dmesg has "HDA Intel 0000:00:14.2: PCI INT A disabled", while /proc/asound/cards shows "--- no soundcards ---". My interpretation is the sound card is disabled? In 30 mi |
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| 16:34.12 | ksk | reboot? :> |
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| 16:34.52 | reklipz | Is it possible to install Wheezy from a Squeeze install disc? I'm getting stack traces in tty4 when detecting disks on the Testing install disc. |
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| 16:35.47 | somiaj | reklipz: install the squeeze base system, the dist-upgrade to wheezy, then continue the install |
| 16:35.51 | zykotic10 | reklipz: using stable installer then "transitioning" (avoid "upgrade" term there) to Wheezy is probably prefered over using the testing installer anyways. |
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| 16:37.04 | babilen | reklipz: (and just for the sake of completeness: Yes, you can use the stable installer to install testing, but it is not recommended (just as it is not recommended to use the testing *installer* (which is meant for testing the installer))) |
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| 16:37.47 | kexwork | hey guys, anyone know why rxvt wont show any colours in vim? (gnome-terminal is fine) |
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| 16:38.37 | reklipz | zykotic10: babilen: I see, thanks for the info. Of note, I'm using the "Official CD/DVD images of the testing distribution |
| 16:39.00 | reklipz | gah... -- "as opposed to the debian-installer released bits. Perhaps they're actually the same; it's probable." |
| 16:39.13 | babilen | reklipz: Yeah, using those is not recommended. They are merely meant for testing the next installer version and are not a priority at this point in the release cycle. |
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| 16:40.02 | reklipz | sticks in the Official Squeeze 6.0.4 DVD |
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| 16:40.28 | zykotic10 | kexwork: my rxvt shows the <Enter> in blue on the initial vim title screen |
| 16:41.34 | babilen | reklipz: So (as already pointed out by somiaj and zykotic10): Install a minimal squeeze system first and follow "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" -- Please also note that wheezy does not receive any security updates at the moment (only via sid) |
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| 16:42.08 | reklipz | My motherboard has an Intel Matrix Storage controller, and I've currently configured a RAID 1 in the option ROM. When it comes to the partitioning setup, things get a bit funky. One second. |
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| 16:44.24 | reklipz | This is what is displayed under manual partitioning: http://pastebin.com/nMRibzCC |
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| 16:46.34 | reklipz | Pressing Enter on the first line returns me to the same screen after a flash. Pressing Enter on the second line, "#1 160.0 GB", allows me to edit "partition #1 of RAIDmd126 device #:RAIDactive device #(read-only)RAIDraid1 device #sda[1]RAIDsdb[0] device #126" |
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| 16:47.17 | reklipz | I am unable to repartition the actual RAID disk. Do I need to do this in the option ROM, and then simply format them via the OS? |
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| 16:47.54 | reklipz | Also, pressing Enter on one of the two physical disks says it will create a new empty partition table, but it doesn't seem to effect anything. |
| 16:48.20 | mah454 | I installed gnome3 on debian wheezy , and installed gdm3 on this . |
| 16:48.34 | mah454 | now how can make this style on gdm ? http://iloveubuntu.net/pictures_me/gdm%203.2.png |
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| 16:48.44 | mah454 | like this : http://iloveubuntu.net/pictures_me/gdm%203.2.png |
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| 16:51.02 | xsergio | Hi, how to install ip_gre module from a debootstrap instalation? |
| 16:53.28 | kexwork | anyone know why i cant find 256color rxvt in squeeze???? |
| 16:53.54 | babilen | kexwork: You probably want rxvt-unicode-256color |
| 16:53.59 | babilen | ,versions rxvt-unicode-256color |
| 16:54.00 | judd | Package: rxvt-unicode-256color on i386 -- sid: 9.15-1; wheezy: 9.15-1 |
| 16:54.09 | babilen | xsergio: Should be part of every kernel package |
| 16:54.14 | babilen | ,checkbackport rxvt-unicode-256color |
| 16:54.15 | judd | Backporting package rxvt-unicode-256color in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 16:54.21 | babilen | !tell kexwork -about ssb |
| 16:54.38 | kexwork | im new in debian, I came from arch, so the package system is new to me! |
| 16:54.40 | babilen | kexwork: Just backport it according to the instructions in the factoid our bot (dpkg) just told you about in a private message. |
| 16:54.49 | kexwork | funny how debian has much less ram use than my arch box... even inside a VM |
| 16:54.59 | babilen | *shrug* :) |
| 16:55.03 | xsergio | babilen, when I install with debootstrap, /lib/modules is empty |
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| 16:56.03 | babilen | xsergio: yeah, install a kernel -- Please read http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en (in particular "D.3.5. Install a Kernel") |
| 16:56.07 | kexwork | just a question guys, why wouldnt the 256color rxvt be in the repos? |
| 16:56.46 | babilen | kexwork: It is in the repositories, just not for the stable release (squeeze). You can backport that package easily by following "/msg dpkg ssb" though. |
| 16:56.50 | babilen | !tell kexwork -about releases |
| 16:56.56 | babilen | !tell kexwork about introduction |
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| 16:57.10 | babilen | kexwork: Welcome to Debian btw :) |
| 16:57.17 | kexwork | thanks! |
| 16:57.32 | kexwork | babilen: At the moment im running on a VM on my windows7(sigh) pc at work |
| 16:57.41 | kexwork | going to be installing when i get home for sure.. really impressed |
| 16:58.30 | babilen | kexwork: Have fun. Just pop in if you have problems or questions. I would recommend reading the sample chapter at http://debian-handbook.info/liberation/ for a very good (IMHO) introduction to Debian's package management system. |
| 16:59.10 | kexwork | awesome thanks guys |
| 16:59.13 | kexwork | hopefully speak soon :) |
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| 17:06.56 | reklipz | "RAID bus controller: Intel Corporation 631xESB/632xESB SATA RAID Controller (rev 09)" -- That is a fake-raid controller, yes? |
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| 17:07.23 | s3a | How can I make sure that my actual name, user name and hostname (basically anything personally identifying) are not listed when I am connecting to some wifi? |
| 17:07.25 | bradleymeck | is there a way to give a user the ability to chroot without giving them access too all the other things a super user can do |
| 17:07.54 | s3a | actually, brb, rebooting |
| 17:07.55 | gnarface | reklipz: don't know off the top of my head but the 5xx and 7xx onboards were so ... good bet |
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| 17:08.47 | reklipz | gnarface: thanks, I'll make that assumption then. I know it's not a PERC card, which I know is hardware RAId. |
| 17:08.49 | dvs | bradleymeck: Sounds like a job for sudo |
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| 17:09.44 | bradleymeck | dvs during a sudo they would have full permissions to do anything rather than just chroot |
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| 17:10.03 | cardamon | Having trouble connecting to the school wireless using wicd-curses. There is an open network that uses a webpage after connecting for login and authentication, but wicd seems tries to connect then just fails. There is a also PEAP network too, but I'm having trouble with that one too. |
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| 17:10.52 | reklipz | cardamon: The fact that the network has a proxy shouldn't affect association and access to the AP. |
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| 17:11.50 | dvs | bradleymeck: Not according to its man page. |
| 17:11.55 | meta-coder | http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2012/Projects |
| 17:12.10 | cardamon | reklipz: Do you have any useful advice? |
| 17:12.26 | reklipz | check the logs and see what's happening if you haven't already. |
| 17:12.44 | reklipz | As for the PEAP, make sure you're using the proper authentication configuration. |
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| 17:13.12 | reklipz | There are a few different options for 802.1X EAP. |
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| 17:14.00 | n1x_ | hello guys |
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| 17:14.43 | n1x_ | i have one quest :-) i have source.list file in /etc/apt directory and when i trying to update or download any packages i see i'm not using current source list |
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| 17:14.46 | n1x_ | files |
| 17:14.50 | n1x_ | and mirros also |
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| 17:15.14 | n1x_ | when i enter apt-get update , i have output " Reading package lists... Done |
| 17:15.34 | petemc | n1x_: pastebin your sources.list |
| 17:16.13 | n1x_ | petemc: http://pastie.org/3527288 |
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| 17:16.29 | s3a | How can I make sure that my actual name, user name and hostname (basically anything personally identifying) are not listed when I am connecting to some wifi? |
| 17:16.48 | petemc | n1x_: they're all commented out, remove the leading # |
| 17:16.58 | reklipz | General linux question: should I setup swap on a raid (stripe)? or should I just make both of the partitions swap space? Doesn't the kernel automatically handle that? |
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| 17:17.42 | petemc | n1x_: also, it says "ftp.....debian", it should say ftp.us.debian.org or whatever your country code is |
| 17:17.59 | dvs | n1x_: I dunno about those multimedia repos. There seems to be too many of them |
| 17:18.15 | Ubuh-Huntuh | has anyone been able to install any version of tacacs+ on stable? |
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| 17:18.54 | gnarface | reklipz: the kernel will make use of them separately, but i don't know if it will treat them contiguously or if it would automatically apply similar IO throughput distribution optimization to what you would get from a striped raid array |
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| 17:19.11 | n1x_ | hm well sec |
| 17:19.16 | jelly | Ubuh-Huntuh: this is on lenny, we haven't tried Debian 6 yet: ii tac-plus F4.0.4.19-1 This is the daemon for the TACACS+ protocol |
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| 17:19.52 | reklipz | gnarface: I found a good doc: Intel® 631xESB/632xESB I/O Controller Hub - RAID and AHCI |
| 17:19.58 | reklipz | gnarface: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-2.html#ss2.3 |
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| 17:20.57 | gnarface | reklipz: oh neat it does stripe across multiple swap spaces. that's good to know - less moving parts means there's less to break |
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| 17:21.28 | reklipz | gnarface: However, it states that swap on a RAID 1 is a good idea for stability: if a swap partition disappears (a disk dies), boom goes the dynamite. |
| 17:21.32 | Ubuh-Huntuh | jelly: i'm using apt-cache search to search but it's not avail? |
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| 17:22.26 | gnarface | reklipz: sure, raid1 is a good plan across the board for data redundancy plus you get almost double your max IO throughput for reads |
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| 17:24.27 | Ubuh-Huntuh | i downloaded the source and this is the error i got when i ran ./configure: configure: error: registry requires gnu flex. sorry |
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| 17:24.51 | thewanderer1 | reklipz, do you need swap at all? |
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| 17:25.10 | reklipz | thewanderer1: I hope not, but better safe than sorry. |
| 17:25.22 | reklipz | Swap space is always a good diea. |
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| 17:25.26 | reklipz | s/diea/idea/ |
| 17:25.43 | thewanderer1 | yeah, if stability means slowness to you :) |
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| 17:25.51 | gnarface | ridiculous |
| 17:25.56 | reklipz | Swap doesn't necessarily mean slowness. |
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| 17:26.15 | thewanderer1 | well, having to use swap often does |
| 17:26.24 | reklipz | If you're swapping active memory, then you need more RAM. |
| 17:26.26 | thewanderer1 | sure, there are valid use cases, but they're not found that often |
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| 17:27.02 | gnarface | thewanderer1: uh... they're not? believe it or not some of us use machines for more than browsing slashdot |
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| 17:27.09 | reklipz | If you're swapping active memory, then you need more RAM. |
| 17:27.14 | reklipz | ... sorry |
| 17:27.29 | gnarface | thewanderer1: swap only slows you down when you need it |
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| 17:28.25 | gnarface | thewanderer1: your advice is equivalent to telling people their cars will go faster without brakes |
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| 17:29.03 | reklipz | I'd use the analogy: your advice is the equivalent to telling people with electric vehicles that they don't need regenerative braking. |
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| 17:29.20 | thewanderer1 | if you have many long-running tasks that you switch between infrequently, yes, swap is of use to you |
| 17:30.03 | swarog | is mdadm raid in stripe vs mdadm raid in mirror comparably faster to hardware raid 0 and 1? |
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| 17:30.53 | valdyn | swarog: vs ? |
| 17:31.09 | reklipz | swarog: hardware raid usually has some nice dedicated memory: I would put my money on hardware raid being better. |
| 17:31.15 | valdyn | swarog: is this a hw raid vs software raid question or just confusion? |
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| 17:31.32 | valdyn | reklipz: it isnt |
| 17:31.33 | thewanderer1 | there are RAID benchmarks online comparing hw raid with mdadm raid |
| 17:31.48 | Ubuh-Huntuh | generally cars go faster without brakes since they are lighter :) |
| 17:31.53 | reklipz | valdyn: RAID 0 and RAID 1 don't require the dedicated parity processing of RAID 5/6 |
| 17:32.07 | reklipz | That's why the question is valid |
| 17:32.15 | thewanderer1 | in brief: Linux software raid faster in most cases, HW raid outperforms it in some corner cases while also lowering CPU load of the host |
| 17:32.21 | valdyn | reklipz: the question makes no sense as its written |
| 17:32.21 | swarog | valdyn: no no, i currently have 2 hdds in hardware raid mirror, but its a bit slow. so im thinking about putting both disks in stripe or, putting them in mdadm raid and create both, stripe and mirror partitions |
| 17:32.42 | reklipz | swarog: do you have an actual hardware RAID controller? |
| 17:32.46 | swarog | so the question is is mdadm 2 disk stripe raid faster than 1 disk no raid? |
| 17:32.50 | valdyn | swarog: strip is not faster in all workloads |
| 17:32.51 | swarog | reklipz: yeah |
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| 17:33.44 | reklipz | valydn: is that read: stripe is _slower_ in all workloads? |
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| 17:34.18 | valdyn | reklipz: no, its: stripe is faster in certain workloads |
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| 17:34.34 | reklipz | I see. and otherwise? on par, or slower? |
| 17:34.35 | valdyn | reklipz: but mirror is *Also* faster in certain workloads |
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| 17:34.55 | reklipz | ah, so it's a trade off; should decide based upon workload |
| 17:34.59 | valdyn | swarog: ^^^, that makes it hard to give useful advice |
| 17:35.19 | valdyn | reklipz: well, stripe is also dangerous |
| 17:35.33 | reklipz | Agreed, it's not true RAID. |
| 17:35.37 | swarog | valdyn: :D just trying to figure out how to speed up these two sad disks without loosing mirroring feel of security |
| 17:35.58 | reklipz | depending on your circle's beliefs... I'm not trying to spawn that argument. RAID 0 has no redundancy, RAID 1 does. |
| 17:36.11 | valdyn | swarog: sure. So i said that since i dont know your workload i cant say if stripe will gain you any speed |
| 17:36.12 | reklipz | swarog: get another disk and go RAID 5. :) |
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| 17:36.42 | valdyn | swarog: and raid5 scales *really* *bad* to some workloads |
| 17:36.50 | swarog | valdyn: i know |
| 17:38.06 | gnarface | swarog: raid-0 is typically faster if you're very read-heavy |
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| 17:38.54 | gnarface | swarog: wait scratch that i meant raid 1 |
| 17:39.07 | gnarface | swarog: raid-0 *can* be faster if you're very write-heavy |
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| 17:40.37 | reklipz | In RAID 1, are the drives in lock step? Is it possible to distribute reads across the drive? |
| 17:40.57 | gnarface | i believe so, yes |
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| 17:41.00 | reklipz | s/across the drive/across the drives/ |
| 17:41.05 | valdyn | reklipz: a single reading task is not distributed in md raid |
| 17:41.17 | reklipz | valdyn: thanks |
| 17:41.18 | valdyn | reklipz: multiple processes are distributed |
| 17:41.32 | reklipz | Oh.. so they aren't in lock step then. |
| 17:41.39 | gnarface | reklipz: only for writes |
| 17:41.55 | gnarface | reklipz: so software raid-1 loses out on writes cause its gotta do both |
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| 17:43.27 | gnarface | in my experience though with modern hardware the performance impact is negligible under typical use and the data redundancy trumps performance anyway |
| 17:44.01 | reklipz | Yeah, has to deal with concurrency and access locking. |
| 17:44.36 | valdyn | raid does not do speed. if you need speed, get faster or more disks |
| 17:44.37 | reklipz | Agreed, redundancy trumps performance in my case. |
| 17:46.17 | reklipz | I've got to run folks. Thanks for the help; good chat. |
| 17:46.48 | reklipz | By the way, I opted for full mdadm based setup; ignored the Intel Matrix option ROM, as I'm doing RAID 1 only anyway. |
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| 17:49.46 | gnarface | will squeeze get updates to recognize new usb devices? |
| 17:50.04 | gnarface | i have a wireless usb keyboard that works in sid and works on my nintendo but doesn't work in squeeze for shit |
| 17:50.32 | themill | gnarface: have you tried a kernel from bpo? |
| 17:51.21 | gnarface | themill: i have not. i'd need a whole new kernel, not just a patched usbutils ? |
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| 17:51.57 | somiaj | check demsg, why isn't it working in squeeze, does the squeeze kernel not detect the device correctly (which would also be my guess, use a backported kernel) |
| 17:52.19 | themill | gnarface: usbutils is not (to my knowledge) involved in the kernel selecting the appropriate driver. |
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| 17:52.36 | bofh80_ | anybody can point me to a good howto for the r300g + mesa + gallium for stable or testing ? ubuntu have their own 'edge driver' ppa repo. dunno if any of that is compatible |
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| 17:54.28 | gnarface | somiaj: dmesg is utterly silent about it in squeeze. |
| 17:54.40 | kavin | hello |
| 17:54.43 | somiaj | then sounds like the kernel isn't detecting the device at all gnarface |
| 17:55.09 | gnarface | somiaj: so, new kernel would be the only solution then, i get it |
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| 17:55.33 | gnarface | double checks that the usb port is even working |
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| 17:56.17 | azaghal | You should get at least _some_ output in dmesg no matter the device? |
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| 17:57.03 | gnarface | azaghal: i thought so but i hardly know |
| 17:57.19 | azaghal | And lsusb should also return an identifier about it. |
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| 17:57.27 | azaghal | Even if it's not supported by anything. |
| 17:57.28 | gnarface | it did not |
| 17:57.32 | somiaj | do other usb devices work in that port? |
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| 17:57.47 | gnarface | somiaj: checking now, i have to boot it first |
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| 17:58.01 | azaghal | Sometimes it can be related to way too long cable etc (power issues). |
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| 17:58.19 | azaghal | Btw, the sid's not on that machine, right? |
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| 17:58.34 | gnarface | azaghal: no, that's not the same machine my sid install is on |
| 17:58.51 | gnarface | azaghal: its a wireless keyboard |
| 17:59.21 | azaghal | Ok, just wanted to check. The machine has USB 2.0? (some devices won't work with 1.1 due to power consumption again) |
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| 18:04.02 | mah454 | How can debug this ? http://pastebin.com/88F18pzx |
| 18:04.56 | somiaj | line 4 is making it sound like you are missing a binary, dont have the right package installed or you just found a bug...what version of debian mah454 ? |
| 18:05.06 | gnarface | azaghal, somiaj must be a hardware issue. my mouse isn't working in either usb port anymore. i must have disabled something in the bios it needs besides "assign irq to usb" and "usb legacy devices support" |
| 18:05.33 | gnarface | wonders if its common for USB ports to also require the serial controller or the floppy controller |
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| 18:06.01 | somiaj | mah454: hmm seems you have a lot of warnings and errors for various things in there. What is your problem. |
| 18:06.16 | azaghal | gnarface: Hm... Could be some IRQ conflict maybe? |
| 18:06.31 | azaghal | Does lsusb even report any hub? |
| 18:06.32 | somiaj | gnarface: it shoudln't but I usually don't disable my serial controlers despite I don't use them |
| 18:07.27 | dr_traktor | I always forget: where do you put the mount commands so that stuff will be mounted automatically? |
| 18:07.56 | azaghal | /etc/fstab ? |
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| 18:08.31 | dr_traktor | azaghal, that's it! |
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| 18:09.29 | azaghal | dr_traktor: Now go tattoo it on your biceps :) |
| 18:09.46 | azaghal | (/etc/fstab, not my name - I'm not important) |
| 18:09.55 | abrotman | or look in man mount .. |
| 18:09.58 | abrotman | .wub 1 |
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| 18:10.03 | dr_traktor | abrotman, nice one. |
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| 18:10.29 | dr_traktor | If I tattooed everything on myself that I need to use Linux I would be black. |
| 18:11.06 | somiaj | then learning to read man pages could be helpful |
| 18:11.44 | dr_traktor | somiaj, I'll remember that. Probably that is the only one I should tattoo on myself. |
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| 18:13.13 | somiaj | I picked it up by getting told to RTFM over and over, seems support is getting nicer. |
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| 18:13.36 | sxpert | good evening peope. anyone with pam_ldap expertise ? |
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| 18:15.31 | jelly-home | sxpert: the memories are still painful |
| 18:16.15 | sxpert | jelly-home: I seem to be almost there, but it looks like it can't seem to verify the password |
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| 18:17.04 | jelly-home | sxpert: can you bind and do the same query with a ldapsearch? |
| 18:17.35 | jelly-home | ie "manually" |
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| 18:18.33 | sxpert | jelly-home: hmm... |
| 18:19.07 | bobweaver | msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 18:20.22 | bobweaver | hello there I know that this might sound funny but where do I download debian sid ? |
| 18:20.39 | dr_traktor | somiaj, I believe. Thank you all for being nice. |
| 18:20.50 | sxpert | jelly-home: I can search for the user I'm looking for with -x |
| 18:20.54 | jelly-home | Ubuh-Huntuh: it has been removed from Debian around 2008. If you're building from source, you'll have to install a bunch of other stuff. Start with build-essential and flex |
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| 18:21.17 | themill | dpkg: tell bobweaver about install sid |
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| 18:22.09 | somiaj | bobweaver: you may want to consider running debian stable a bit before using sid though. Get use to how debian dose things before running a system which may have bugs you will need to fix. |
| 18:22.45 | bobweaver | somiaj: thanks the mill thanks |
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| 18:22.52 | sxpert | jelly-home: and I successfully find a user with said password |
| 18:23.02 | sxpert | erh, no, I don't get teh password |
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| 18:24.43 | sxpert | jelly-home: and ldapsearch -D -W also works |
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| 18:25.38 | jelly-home | sxpert: I have thankfully forgotten most of the two day experience, but do remember that a) adding the debug option to the pam line enables libldap debug, but b) enabling that makes libldap write the debug stuff to fd 2 (which is not nice if your service is using fd 2 for something else) |
| 18:25.45 | gnarface | somiaj, azaghal it was my fault. i had "usb keyboard" enabled and "legacy usb devices" enabled in the bios but right next to them was "onchip usb controller" which you could enable by port and i accidentally selected "all disabled" instead of "all enabled" *sigh* |
| 18:25.49 | abrotman | dr_traktor: all of my fingers were broken in a car door by a bouncer .. got a problem with that? :) |
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| 18:26.07 | azaghal | gnarface: Heh, happens :) |
| 18:26.16 | dr_traktor | abrotman, for not using man? |
| 18:26.30 | gnarface | so i can confirm that 12$ wireless "Gear Head" brand keyboard from Fry's *does* in fact work in squeeze |
| 18:26.30 | abrotman | dr_traktor: i thought you meant my mistype .. sorry :) |
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| 18:27.24 | dr_traktor | abrotman, nope, I meant the thank you. Sorry for your fingers though. Shouldn't hang out where you do. |
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| 18:27.40 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:27.50 | jelly-home | sxpert: does strace confirm your app is at least connecting to the right LDAP server? |
| 18:28.38 | sxpert | jelly-home: yeah; that's all good |
| 18:28.55 | sxpert | jelly-home: seems like it can't verify the password |
| 18:29.05 | sxpert | seems to be the last holdout |
| 18:29.40 | jelly-home | can't find the relevant ldapsearch verification command line in history, sorry |
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| 18:30.16 | sxpert | jelly-home: ldapsearch -x 'uid=blah' -D 'uid=blah...' -W works |
| 18:30.37 | sxpert | but I don't know what ldap search the pam_ldap is actually effecting |
| 18:31.20 | jelly-home | hmph, disable SSL, sniff it and hope wireshark can decode it? :-) |
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| 18:33.18 | gnarface | sxpert: i like shelldap a lot more for basic user auth maintenance |
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| 18:38.54 | sxpert | gnarface: not the issue. issue is, everything appears ok, except ssh-ing user doesn't log in |
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| 18:39.28 | sxpert | (now, whoever wrote this pam_ldap shit needs to be shot) |
| 18:39.37 | ajithkanu | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.49 | jelly-home | sxpert: same, and perhaps worse, goes for libldap |
| 18:40.06 | jelly-home | that's the OpenLDAP people. |
| 18:40.11 | gnarface | sxpert: not gonna disagree with that. you've verified their user records don't collide with old ones in /etc/passwd and that /etc/nsswitch.conf has ldap listed for shadow, passwd, and group at least? |
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| 18:41.28 | icedwater | Hi, my compose key is configured in gnome-control-center but it doesn't work, any idea what could be missing? |
| 18:41.38 | jelly-home | in my case, I'm not even doing any NSS, just authentication via AD passwords for a number of users in a separate, service-specific db. |
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| 18:45.06 | gnarface | that reminds me, is there a way to enter a unicode character index for a specific character when using compose with xmodmap or whatever? i note that the lists of cute little compose sequences is incomplete |
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| 18:46.33 | Jazo | i m an irc operator (root) but i cant use /gline why? |
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| 18:46.46 | zero___ | this might be a bit dumb but how do I mount a drive and give permissions to other users to read/write? |
| 18:46.56 | sxpert | crap, shot myself in the foot |
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| 18:48.19 | gnarface | zero___: its not mount specific. you just mount it then chmod or chown as appropriate. the mount point itself can store its own bits (they'll revert to that of the directory you used as the mount point after you unmount) |
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| 18:48.47 | zero___ | gnarface: ohh thanks! ^^ |
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| 18:49.17 | gnarface | zero___: there are some additional gotchas with network shares like nfs |
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| 18:50.47 | zero___ | gnarface: I just wanted to mount a ramfs, chmod did the trick |
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| 18:57.11 | andrea | apt-cacher-ng: I can't figure out how to simply download debs from a local subdirectory of the apt-cacher server; paragraph 4.3.2 of the manual is not clear to me |
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| 19:01.30 | tremon | andrea: got a link to that manual? |
| 19:02.05 | andrea | tremon: http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~bloch/acng/html/config-serv.html#repmap |
| 19:03.21 | andrea | tremon: sorry, http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~bloch/acng/html/config-serv.html#remap-trickz |
| 19:04.09 | tremon | you mean this section? "if clients access the apt-cacher-ng server like a regular mirror (not using APT's proxy config) then it's just passed as regular directory name" |
| 19:04.21 | andrea | tremon: yes |
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| 19:04.30 | andrea | tremon: "This is configured by simply using /some/directory/string/ instead of URLs in the Merging list..." |
| 19:04.55 | andrea | tremon: I can't figure our a remap line for that, I tried many |
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| 19:06.37 | tremon | I agree, it's not that clear. The crux is that the remapping rules are simply a list of alternate locations separated by spaces. It's more complicated because any one of those locations can also be a file reference |
| 19:07.05 | tremon | I don't remember where I got my config from, but here's my line: Remap-debMAIN: file:debian.gz /debian ; file:debian.list |
| 19:07.45 | tremon | that allows me to access the repository through http://host:3128/debian/.... |
| 19:07.59 | andrea | tremon: thanks, but my problem is: I don't need urls but local directories... |
| 19:08.28 | andrea | tremon: I suppose I should write something like: |
| 19:08.30 | tremon | as in, you don't want to use localhost:3128? |
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| 19:09.48 | andrea | tremon: I mean the apt-cacher host itself, yes |
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| 19:10.05 | andrea | tremon: the apt-cacher-ng own filesystem |
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| 19:11.15 | tremon | andrea: how would that work? acng's cache is just that, a cache. It does not hold a copy of the entire debian repository. If you access the cache behind acng's back, how does acng know it's supposed to download a new file? |
| 19:11.45 | andrea | tremon: through a special pattern |
| 19:12.04 | andrea | tremon: I try to explain, please wait |
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| 19:13.54 | andrea | tremon: i'd like to configure a repository that picks debs from the server itself and reading the 4.3.2 paragraph I seem to understand it is possible using simple "/some/directory/string/..." instead of URLs |
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| 19:15.01 | andrea | tremo: actually, I'd like to configure the acng server to act also as a repository itself (possibly on another port) |
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| 19:15.10 | andrea | tremon: actually, I'd like to configure the acng server to act also as a repository itself (possibly on another port) |
| 19:15.21 | tremon | andrea: you're not making very much sense to me. Please try to use less indefinite pronouns |
| 19:15.29 | andrea | tremo: sorry, it was for tremon |
| 19:15.39 | tremo | ... |
| 19:15.48 | notau | yeah tremo! |
| 19:15.58 | tremon | you want to configure a repository? Or you want to configure apt? |
| 19:16.16 | andrea | tremon: my acng is already configured |
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| 19:17.04 | andrea | tremon: i'd like to have a "repository" defined in it that points to a part of its filesystem |
| 19:17.08 | tremon | acng is not a repository. It's a caching http server with url redirection capability |
| 19:17.14 | andrea | tremon: OK |
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| 19:17.29 | andrea | tremon: I thought I could do also the second |
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| 19:17.58 | andrea | tremon: OK, I'll go on studying, thanks :) |
| 19:18.00 | tremon | I suppose you can redirect url requests to the local filesystem with acng as well |
| 19:18.17 | tremon | but then you must first have a local repository configured on the acng server |
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| 19:18.58 | andrea | tremon: ok, i agree with that, of course; let's say I put up a ftp server, etc. |
| 19:19.36 | andrea | tremon: but that is what I would not like to do, that's why I was looking for a shortcut, hopefully through acng itself... :) |
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| 19:20.16 | andrea | tremon: and maybe I misunserstood the manual |
| 19:20.39 | tremon | wouldn't want to do that either, but that depends entirely on the phase of saturn's moon |
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| 19:22.17 | andrea | tremon: apt-get install pngphoon :D |
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| 19:23.09 | tremon | ;) |
| 19:23.23 | andrea | tremon: well, I have to go now, thank you very much for your time, I'll study further otherwise I'll put up a separate repository, bye :)) |
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| 19:23.49 | tremon | I'm still a bit fuzzy on what you're trying to do, but I think you still have to configure your own repository before acng can mirror/cache it |
| 19:24.15 | andrea | tremon: OK, thanks :) |
| 19:24.18 | andrea | bye |
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| 19:33.53 | alpha2 | if you have 2 hdd's, and want them as one on debian, you'd install a raid... |
| 19:34.05 | alpha2 | so if you use the dvd do you still need the dmraid flag? |
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| 19:34.26 | valdyn | alpha2: what is a dmraid flag? |
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| 19:34.46 | valdyn | alpha2: or.. if you wanted raid, why would you use just dmraid? |
| 19:35.09 | alpha2 | http://mikeoverip.wordpress.com/2009/12/07/debian-5-lenny-step-by-step-installation-with-software-raid-1-with-screenshots/ |
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| 19:35.20 | valdyn | alpha2: no one installs lenny |
| 19:35.29 | alpha2 | I install lenny... |
| 19:35.39 | alpha2 | and a lot of people I know install lenny... |
| 19:35.39 | valdyn | alpha2: well, you shouldnt, theres squeeze |
| 19:35.48 | alpha2 | so.... |
| 19:35.57 | alpha2 | you're gunna tell me which distro to use now too? |
| 19:35.57 | alpha2 | haha |
| 19:36.18 | gnarface | alpha2: its sortof what we do here. |
| 19:36.26 | alpha2 | haha |
| 19:36.31 | alpha2 | Anywho, I'mma use lenny. |
| 19:36.34 | jelly-home | and we always have the same answer |
| 19:36.56 | valdyn | alpha2: its mdraid, not dmraid, i cant see a "dmraid flag" still |
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| 19:37.20 | thewanderer1 | alpha2, lenny has no security support... |
| 19:37.30 | jelly-home | and will never have support AGAIN EVER |
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| 19:37.44 | gnarface | i think dmraid is a driver for some specfic fakeraid cards that tries to treat them like the windows driver does (by controlling them through some proprietary bios extensions or something) |
| 19:37.57 | valdyn | gnarface: not exactly |
| 19:38.23 | jelly-home | gnarface: it's a reimplementation using the same on-disk format, done via device-mapper |
| 19:38.24 | thewanderer1 | dmraid is a layer that uses those those drivers, no? |
| 19:38.28 | valdyn | gnarface: the bios only does the booting, even on windows, and the setting up of the raid, but other than that its software raid |
| 19:38.38 | gnarface | aaah |
| 19:38.47 | gnarface | so that explains why most people don't bother with it and just use software raid |
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| 19:39.12 | jelly-home | md raid is a bit better featured and easier to work with |
| 19:39.18 | gnarface | i agree with that |
| 19:39.24 | valdyn | because the boot managers shipping and supported by linux can copy with that situation, windows cant |
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| 19:39.39 | jelly-home | amusingly, md raid now supports some of the fakeraid formats itself, now |
| 19:39.46 | gnarface | heh |
| 19:40.04 | valdyn | s/copy/cope/ |
| 19:40.51 | tremon | jelly-home: that's only true for recent (post-lenny :) releases |
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| 19:41.15 | jelly-home | valdyn: 1) write a md raid driver for Windows, 2) ??? 3) PROFIT |
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| 19:41.36 | jelly-home | tremon: you mean, the ONLY supported Debian release? |
| 19:41.45 | valdyn | jelly-home: until users cant install service packs or have service packs render their system unbootable |
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| 19:41.59 | tremon | 4) get sued out of your pants because some company will think you're fishing in their pond |
| 19:42.01 | jelly-home | valdyn: well don't make it buggy. |
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| 19:42.20 | valdyn | jelly-home: Im talking about microsofts service packs |
| 19:42.41 | valdyn | jelly-home: w7 sp1 breaks your boot manager for instance |
| 19:43.02 | jelly-home | valdyn: I've already broken it myself |
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| 19:43.09 | thewanderer1 | valdyn, it does? how? |
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| 19:43.17 | jelly-home | in your face, SP1! |
| 19:43.27 | valdyn | thewanderer1: its a little more complex |
| 19:43.42 | valdyn | thewanderer1: it will actually just refuse to install over custom boot setups |
| 19:43.50 | thewanderer1 | aha... interesting... |
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| 19:44.00 | valdyn | thewanderer1: but it will give instructions on how to "fix" that situation |
| 19:44.07 | valdyn | thewanderer1: that fix will break booting |
| 19:44.25 | thewanderer1 | break booting in general or just write a DOS MBR? |
| 19:44.39 | valdyn | thewanderer1: break itself |
| 19:44.56 | valdyn | thewanderer1: nothing you cant fix though, but it can be annoying |
| 19:45.02 | thewanderer1 | oh, okay |
| 19:45.11 | valdyn | thewanderer1: and its not just the mbr |
| 19:45.42 | gnarface | honestly can't figure out why anyone would install windows on a non-removable drive anymore. its behavior classifies as malware. |
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| 19:47.37 | g0rd0n | once in a while i get this in the console "host xx.xx.xx.xx/ifx ignores redirects for xx.xx.xx.xx to xx.xx.xx.xx" but i have been unable to understand what it means using google... does anyone here know better? |
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| 19:48.25 | valdyn | g0rd0n: wrong routing table |
| 19:48.38 | zero___ | im trying to write a bash script that runs a program using the time command and outputs the result of that command to a file, but bash doesnt like the -o option of the time command, any ideas on how to do this? |
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| 19:49.15 | valdyn | g0rd0n: probably 2 hosts sending packets to a certain ip using each other as gw |
| 19:49.41 | petemc | zero___: tried using full path /usr/bin/time |
| 19:49.45 | gnarface | zero___: well you can use bash itself to pipe the output to a file ( > [filename] 2>&1) or you could just quote the whole time command |
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| 19:50.44 | valdyn | g0rd0n: yea, thats about it |
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| 19:51.41 | g0rd0n | valdyn: ok... i have a KVM setup with tome virtual machines running on it, and actually it seems to work fine for over a year now, but i guess i should fix that |
| 19:51.53 | g0rd0n | maybe i forgot to enable some kernel module or somehting |
| 19:51.59 | valdyn | g0rd0n: host 192.168.1.13/if2 ignores redirects for 192.168.3.1 to 192.168.1.111 is spit out by a router that is sending packets via another assumed router (192.168.1.13), which really is sending the packet *back* again |
| 19:52.24 | valdyn | g0rd0n: no, fix your routing |
| 19:52.53 | zero___ | petemc: works perfectly thanks |
| 19:53.09 | g0rd0n | valdyn: actoually i did not specify any routing ,except this: up route add -host 188.xxx.xxx.xxx dev br0 |
| 19:53.30 | g0rd0n | in the /etc/network/interfaces file i set up a br0 bridge for KVM |
| 19:53.45 | g0rd0n | with pointopoint as well |
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| 19:53.49 | valdyn | g0rd0n: theres bound to be routing tables on the 3 involved machines |
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| 19:54.40 | valdyn | g0rd0n: so look at all 3 tables and the actual error, things should be rather obvious |
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| 19:55.59 | g0rd0n | valdyn: well the second machine actually always is some outside IP from the internet, so actually i just have the host that is supposed to route the traffic for the ip to the vm |
| 19:56.23 | valdyn | g0rd0n: 2 routing tables can suffice to see the error |
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| 20:02.10 | cardamon | Back. |
| 20:02.24 | alpha2 | *cuddles* |
| 20:02.45 | g0rd0n | valdyn: i'm looking at them but can't find any error myself... maybe you could give glipse to http://pastebin.com/MrXdUeGv ? |
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| 20:04.25 | cardamon | Okay, I have a problem. I cannot connect to my campus wireless networks. Pertinent Details: Debian Squeeze, wicd-curses, two networks, one open and one PEAP. |
| 20:04.44 | alpha2 | http://puu.sh/jA50 <--- what would cause that issue? |
| 20:04.55 | valdyn | g0rd0n: where is the error showing? |
| 20:05.22 | g0rd0n | valdyn: on the console |
| 20:05.32 | valdyn | g0rd0n: of the vm or of the host |
| 20:05.43 | g0rd0n | valdyn: of the host |
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| 20:06.22 | Viking667 | quick question: whatever happened to libxpm/libjpg/libpng? I can't seem to find them in a wheeze install. |
| 20:06.23 | g0rd0n | basically hostip/if4 ignores redirects from some external ip of the internet to the ip of the vm |
| 20:06.27 | valdyn | g0rd0n: your error has only xxx, i cant see what the error is at all |
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| 20:07.07 | hello | hello any q.c here? |
| 20:07.25 | g0rd0n | valdyn: xxx is just to obfuscate the ip addresses |
| 20:07.58 | valdyn | g0rd0n: yes, sure |
| 20:07.59 | Viking667 | what the heck is a q.c.? In legal circles, that's Queen's Counsel. |
| 20:08.24 | hello | hahahahah i mean is quezon city |
| 20:08.50 | Viking667 | then ASK that. |
| 20:08.59 | jelly-home | why hello SIR Viking667 |
| 20:09.00 | g0rd0n | valdyn: ? |
| 20:09.02 | Viking667 | Where is Quezon city, anyhow? |
| 20:09.07 | Viking667 | hey there, jellyfish |
| 20:09.10 | ParkerR | :D Ohai http://dl.dropbox.com/u/71679/screenshots/2012_03_05_10:07:01.jpg |
| 20:09.11 | gnarface | the phillipenes |
| 20:09.18 | themill | Viking667: these libraries exist -- apt-cache search ... |
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| 20:09.40 | jelly-home | ParkerR: what's the question? |
| 20:09.49 | Viking667 | that's what I thought. And that's exactly what I used. apt-cache search libxpm libpng libjpg (gave me nothing) |
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| 20:10.26 | alpha2 | TORRENT DOWNLOADER! |
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| 20:10.30 | Viking667 | gnarface: thank you. I'll look that up later |
| 20:10.42 | gnarface | is there a debian channel for the Philippines? |
| 20:10.43 | themill | Viking667: you might like to search one at a time |
| 20:10.47 | ParkerR | jelly-home, There is none :P |
| 20:10.52 | gnarface | dpkg: Philippines? |
| 20:10.53 | dpkg | gnarface: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 20:10.59 | gnarface | guess not |
| 20:11.03 | Viking667 | themill: huh? worked fine every other time I've tried it. |
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| 20:11.14 | themill | Viking667: only if you're wanting to AND the search terms... |
| 20:11.19 | Viking667 | oh, right. That IS weird. |
| 20:11.32 | Viking667 | then I'll go poke them singly. |
| 20:11.32 | valdyn | g0rd0n: ip forwarding is off? |
| 20:11.36 | solar_sea | I have proper settings (taken from another working machine) in my /etc/default/keyboard. However after X reset, it still won't switch languages. What could the issue be ? |
| 20:11.37 | Viking667 | thank you. |
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| 20:12.29 | gnarface | solar_sea: doesn't the comment in that file say you have to run /etc/init.d/hal restart? |
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| 20:13.12 | MrJK | I guys, I got a question: what the hell is ck-launch-session used for? WHat role does it accomplish ? |
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| 20:13.19 | g0rd0n | valdyn: net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 on both machines |
| 20:13.20 | solar_sea | gnarface: I'm on squeeze and I don't think I have hal |
| 20:13.21 | MrJK | s/I/Hi/ |
| 20:13.51 | valdyn | g0rd0n: all your routes on your host go via br0, that does not look right to me |
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| 20:14.11 | tremon | MrJK: consolekit. Don't ask me more, I didn't bring my 10-foot pole ;) |
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| 20:14.50 | valdyn | g0rd0n: br0 should go to your vm, something like eth0 to the internet and to your default gw |
| 20:15.18 | themill | MrJK: It provides you with access to things based on whether you're sitting in front of the local machine or not: http://wiki.debian.org/PolicyKit |
| 20:15.20 | tremon | ...unless eth0 is a member of br0 |
| 20:15.21 | valdyn | g0rd0n: but maybe im confused as to how br0 works |
| 20:15.31 | solar_sea | gnarface: my /var/log/Xorg.0.log also seems to load other settings |
| 20:16.01 | gnarface | solar_sea: that was my only idea, sorry |
| 20:16.08 | solar_sea | gnarface: np |
| 20:16.33 | solar_sea | gnarface: it seems, that since I'm using /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/* for some configuration, it's switching to default for everything not found there |
| 20:16.39 | MrJK | themill: ha, ok, thank you for the link, I didn't expected a link with policy-kit. I'll cheack out you link to learn a bit more |
| 20:17.35 | gnarface | solar_sea: i'm not doing that either, so i can't confirm for you |
| 20:17.50 | gnarface | has been using X for longer than most the people who work on X |
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| 20:20.50 | mavez | hey im customizing my directory listing page basically i have .htaccess header.html and footer.html in the parent dir when i go into my /dls/ dir it should but any higher into other directories it just shows the bog standard directory listing. Anyone give me pointers in getting the customized file to go up through each directory? |
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| 20:21.12 | ivank | how do i uninstall everything but the base system? |
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| 20:21.27 | hello | hello |
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| 20:22.06 | tremon | ivank: untested, but aptitude purge '~i!~E' |
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| 20:22.23 | g0rd0n | valdyn: this fuckup is probably all due to the fact that i have to use the same MAC address for all IP addresses |
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| 20:24.27 | tremon | searches for a cloth to screen the monitor |
| 20:25.07 | mavez | oops |
| 20:25.11 | mavez | wrong channel sorry |
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| 20:25.33 | gnarface | g0rd0n: uh... why on earth? |
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| 20:26.19 | g0rd0n | gnarface: the provider only allows routing of ips to the MAC address of the NIC |
| 20:26.21 | g0rd0n | :( |
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| 20:26.58 | tremon | g0rd0n: change your provider |
| 20:27.07 | gnarface | g0rd0n: i hope its cheap :) |
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| 20:27.58 | gnarface | actually failed to successfully launch a hosting company once and no longer has any sympathy for people who waste their money on shitty ones |
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| 20:28.16 | g0rd0n | tremon: yeah i guess that's what i'm gonna do, although it's a pain in the ass to move all the shit |
| 20:28.47 | tremon | was luckily born without sympathy |
| 20:28.59 | g0rd0n | it's not that cheap either... |
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| 20:29.13 | gnarface | g0rd0n: they may actually have the capability you need but just want to upsell you on some fancy hardware to give it to you |
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| 20:29.42 | g0rd0n | i already got a fancy fujitsu server with ipmi and shit |
| 20:29.55 | g0rd0n | i'll ask them again though |
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| 20:32.47 | Viking667 | waves goodbye |
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| 20:35.43 | Viking667 | hm. Does anyone actually have a /usr/include/gtk/ directory any more? |
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| 20:36.29 | gnarface | Viking667: i do not but i have a /usr/include/gtk-2.0 /usr/include/gtk-3.0 and a /usr/include/gtk-unix-print-2.0 (SID) |
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| 20:37.01 | Viking667 | sigh. Guess the old 1.2 stuff has long gone then |
| 20:37.39 | somiaj | what do you have that requires gtk 1.2? |
| 20:38.21 | somiaj | http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gtk+1.2.html |
| 20:38.23 | gnarface | Viking667: i can't say that for sure. i can just say i don't have it. have you heard of apt-file? you can use it to search for packages by what files they contain even if they're not installed currently |
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| 20:38.41 | somiaj | looks like the last time gtk+1.2 was offered in debian was lenny, I'm sure you can grab the source and or lenny debs if you really want to try to use it |
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| 20:38.50 | somiaj | that link gives you the info about it being removed from debian. |
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| 20:55.22 | Viking667 | bah. Machine locked up on me. |
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| 20:56.17 | cardamon | Anyone feeling helpful? I'm unable to connect to my campus wireless network. |
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| 20:57.06 | Viking667 | I have enough trouble connecting to my own home wireless network. I'm hardly qualified to help with a campus I know nothing about. |
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| 21:01.28 | cardamon | Loosing my mind here. |
| 21:01.55 | reklipz | I think the Squeeze installer somehow messed up on my machine. gdm3 shows the missing image icon for most of the images, and after I login, I see nothing but the desktop. |
| 21:01.55 | babilen | cardamon: What is the problem? Can you connect to other networks? What is special about your campus' network? |
| 21:01.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Viking667, perhaps he just needs some hand-holding, though :D |
| 21:01.55 | reklipz | s/desktop/desktop background/ |
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| 21:03.08 | straterra | How to a lock a package so that it never gets updated? I'm compiling a custom kernel and some custom, updated software and I need to make sure newer versions from the official repos don't install over it |
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| 21:03.38 | gnarface | straterra: pinning |
| 21:03.40 | jelly-home | !tell straterra about hold |
| 21:03.42 | straterra | How do I lock^ |
| 21:03.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | ....dpkg, tell straterra about hold |
| 21:03.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly! |
| 21:03.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | how dare you |
| 21:03.59 | reklipz | It appears gnome-desktop-environment was never installed... |
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| 21:04.10 | jelly-home | you with the long nickname I can't be bothered to type! |
| 21:04.14 | straterra | alright, thanks |
| 21:04.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're just jealous because mine is longer than yours |
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| 21:04.39 | jelly-home | possibly |
| 21:04.54 | cardamon | babilen: Connect to the home network just fine. Campus Network has two alternate methods of access. PEAP, which fails on validation in wicd-curses, and an open one that's proxied through a webpage for authentication. I can't connect my netbook to either. |
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| 21:05.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | straterra, also /msg dpkg pinning - one of those two. For the kernel: just uninstall the meta-package and it'll never be updated except when you specify so yourself |
| 21:05.25 | cardamon | I can see and scan both AP just fine. |
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| 21:06.22 | straterra | Perfect |
| 21:06.22 | ico62 | ciao a tutti |
| 21:06.24 | babilen | cardamon: I would try it with either pure wpa-supplicant or network-manager first -- See also /usr/share/doc/wpa_supplicant/README.Debian.gz |
| 21:06.50 | jelly-home | !it |
| 21:06.51 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 21:07.44 | reklipz | Is there anyway to determine what set of packages are installed from the install disk configuration options? |
| 21:08.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | gives reklipz a space to insert after any |
| 21:08.32 | reklipz | s/anyway/any way/ |
| 21:08.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 21:08.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I still don't understand the question |
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| 21:09.57 | cardamon | I have no idea how to even start with that. Network manger worked at home equally well...I've always had trouble with this specific network. |
| 21:10.02 | reklipz | When installing Debian (via debian-installer), when you choose what packages to install (Dekstop Environment, SSH Server, Laptop, Web Server, DNS Server, File Server, etc.), is there any way to determine the list of packages those options install. |
| 21:10.11 | straterra | Do I need to install the package before I can pin it? Basically, I'm going to compile my own openswan package and install it with dpkg (local .deb), and never want it to pull the openswan package from the repos |
| 21:10.12 | cardamon | But this is a fresh insteall, without network-manager |
| 21:10.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | reklipz, on the installed system after the fact, yes |
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| 21:11.09 | cardamon | reklipz: http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 21:11.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell reklipz about tasks |
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| 21:11.32 | reklipz | cardamon: thank you. do you know if this is up to date? |
| 21:11.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | reklipz, (ask about the others e.g. /msg dpkg standard task ) |
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| 21:12.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | reklipz, that one has an aptitude line which shows you which packages come from that task |
| 21:12.27 | sxpert | jelly-home: found the solution ! |
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| 21:13.03 | jelly-home | \o/ |
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| 21:13.31 | sxpert | jelly-home: libpam-ldap is b0rk, use libpam-ldapd ! |
| 21:13.58 | jelly-home | sxpert: ha |
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| 21:14.05 | jelly-home | didn't expect that |
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| 21:14.17 | sxpert | jelly-home: worked out of the box |
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| 21:14.39 | inigo | why everything needs to talk to dbus ? |
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| 21:15.02 | jelly-home | sxpert: will keep that in mind for future reference (ie: when we get to upgrading stuff to squeeze ;-), thanks |
| 21:15.18 | reklipz | tasksel --task-packages desktop | xargs aptitude install -- thanks guys |
| 21:15.31 | inigo | just discovered that stopping dbus closes xchat (didn't happen in squeeze) |
| 21:15.54 | jelly-home | "don't do that, then" |
| 21:15.59 | gnarface | i'm not really happy about dbus's existance |
| 21:16.22 | themill | it's better to have one IPC system than have each app design its own IPC system |
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| 21:17.07 | themill | and since I'm not exactly running out of process IDs, I can cope with dbus-daemon running. |
| 21:17.07 | gnarface | thought we already had stdin/stout |
| 21:17.32 | themill | wonders how gnarface imagines that can be used arbitrary IPC |
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| 21:18.25 | gnarface | the thought process wasn't that complete, it just showed up and broke stuff and made me angry |
| 21:18.37 | gnarface | that was enough for me to resent it |
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| 21:18.50 | reklipz | It sounds like an issue with XChat... |
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| 21:19.14 | inigo | yes, other programs depending on dbus does not close when you stop it |
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| 21:19.22 | inigo | maybe implementation issue in xchat |
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| 21:19.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | gives themill a funny smiley... it's :(){ :|:& };: |
| 21:20.11 | themill | bad CutMeOwnThroat |
| 21:20.14 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: don't! |
| 21:20.28 | jelly-home | evil monkey with some musical notation! |
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| 21:20.36 | jelly-home | and moustache? |
| 21:20.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | well.. he said he's not running out of process ids |
| 21:20.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | right... evil monkey |
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| 21:21.24 | gnarface | maybe part of the problem is that i didn't want it to be that easy for all my programs to talk to each other |
| 21:21.49 | gnarface | if they talk too much they may collude against me then rise up and seek to overthrow my fascist dictatorship |
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| 21:21.57 | tremon | am I the only one who thinks it's a crab on a reflective surface? |
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| 21:23.18 | pdtpatr1ck | Question - anyone know how to get past the Debian pressed problem "Keymap to use" ?? forces one to choose and then it continues with preseed . Currently I'm trying to use the following |
| 21:23.19 | pdtpatr1ck | d-i console-keymaps-at/keymap select us |
| 21:23.19 | pdtpatr1ck | d-i keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap select us |
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| 21:23.28 | pdtpatr1ck | however those don't work. Any ideas? |
| 21:23.50 | inigo | I've worked around that some times with boot parameters to d-i |
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| 21:24.01 | pdtpatr1ck | ? can u please share ur preseed |
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| 21:24.18 | pdtpatr1ck | inigo: can u please share your working preseed ? |
| 21:24.19 | inigo | nope. it was at my ex-work, have not the code here |
| 21:24.25 | pdtpatr1ck | :( |
| 21:24.26 | inigo | but they was documented |
| 21:24.30 | inigo | the parameters |
| 21:24.34 | inigo | to choose keyb |
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| 21:24.55 | tremon | pdtpatr1ck: I also have d-i console-tools/archs select skip-config |
| 21:24.55 | pdtpatr1ck | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en |
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| 21:25.03 | pdtpatr1ck | ohhhh skip config |
| 21:25.04 | pdtpatr1ck | that's the one |
| 21:25.07 | pdtpatr1ck | thanks |
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| 21:27.54 | pdtpatr1ck | skip-config .. no workie . I guess i might be stuck having to answer this question |
| 21:28.21 | pdtpatr1ck | tremon: can i please see your preseed if available ? |
| 21:28.37 | pdtpatr1ck | so i can compare with mine and correct any mistakes or misplacements i have |
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| 21:28.54 | inigo | if nothing else works, try preseeding language country and locale in boot params: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/apbs02.html#preseed-bootparms |
| 21:29.30 | inigo | if I remember ok it was related to "network" preseed files... d-i does not know options until it gets the file, that happens after the lang |
| 21:29.47 | inigo | (maybe I do not remember ok too) |
| 21:30.51 | inigo | or that my issue is unrelated to yours |
| 21:30.53 | pdtpatr1ck | but to get to the network settings, u have to have chosen keyboard layout first then it loads the network stuff with dhcp or static, and after which - it pre seeds the rest |
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| 21:33.04 | tremon | pdtpatr1ck: edited preseed: http://paste.debian.net/158702/ -- last used in december of last year |
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| 21:33.42 | pdtpatr1ck | much appreciated tremon |
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| 21:34.29 | Amnesia | anyone using links over here? |
| 21:34.40 | Lukemob | nobody |
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| 21:36.42 | Amnesia | ugh |
| 21:36.49 | Amnesia | I needs full css support:p |
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| 21:37.28 | gnarface | Amnesia: you're gonna be looking a long time |
| 21:37.40 | Amnesia | heh ok |
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| 21:38.04 | Viking667 | ducks out again. |
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| 21:38.14 | Amnesia | bummer |
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| 21:39.32 | moebius_ | i've noticed one weird thing about system monitor in gnome. If i just chedk the CPU resources it shows those fine. But if i switch to Processes the percentage gets right up for some reason.. meaning that CPU suddenly gets loaded more with something, and it shows that gnome-system-monitor gets 40% of resources just as i switch to resources. What the hell? |
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| 21:41.38 | inigo | moebius_, maybe you don't have 3D drivers or something like ? |
| 21:41.45 | pdtpatr1ck | Yeah it does not seem to accept anything to skip the keyboard setup |
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| 21:42.06 | moebius_ | inigo, that's kinda weird assumption... |
| 21:42.27 | inigo | i'm long time without using gnome, but when I used it, the system-monitor used to do the same (waste more resources) on machines with slow graphics |
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| 21:42.44 | inigo | s/more/a lot/ |
| 21:42.54 | moebius_ | well, i'm not doing anything special now. |
| 21:43.04 | gnarface | gnome wastes system resources!? i won't believe it!, i *can't* believe it! i *shan't* believe it! |
| 21:43.16 | inigo | it's about the graphs rendering |
| 21:43.38 | moebius_ | graphs rendering?? Does that require so much of resources?? |
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| 21:44.22 | inigo | resource tracking does. And the implementation of "pretty graphics" of the system-monitor seems to do it in some machines |
| 21:44.36 | valdyn | moebius_: the program may be measuring while its loading the cpu |
| 21:44.56 | valdyn | moebius_: and g-s-m has always been like that |
| 21:45.01 | inigo | if you get used to top (press 1 to get stats by core), problem out |
| 21:45.06 | moebius_ | valdyn, makes sense though. That's exactly what it looks like. But i don't remember that happening before.. |
| 21:45.15 | moebius_ | alright |
| 21:45.40 | valdyn | moebius_: i dont know about resources, but in the process view its using way to much |
| 21:45.43 | moebius_ | i see. |
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| 21:50.14 | moebius_ | that's the thing, in resources it shows fine, but if i switch to processes it jumps right up |
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| 21:52.14 | solar_sea | Hi. I've tried installing "xpdf evince" on my sqeuueze amd64 system but consolekit fails installation due to some external programs that I have. Now both apt-get -f install and apt-get purge xpdf evince are not working. How do I fix my apt-get back ? |
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| 21:56.33 | inigo | they doesn't depend on consolekit |
| 21:56.38 | inigo | what errors do you get ? |
| 21:56.58 | inigo | uses epdfview last years |
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| 21:57.34 | solar_sea | inigo: evince seems to depen on policykit-1-gnome -> policykit-1 > consolekit. It looks like I've managed to get it working by apt-get -f --force-yes purge evince consolekit policykit-1 policykit-1-gnome thought |
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| 21:58.55 | inigo | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/evince |
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| 22:03.47 | inigo | epdfview seems to be another program that "does not need to talk to dbus (that talks to your ssh agent), to see a pdf" |
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| 22:04.20 | ac_slater | anyone here using Drupal? |
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| 22:04.57 | inigo | maybe they don't want to say "yes" |
| 22:05.09 | inigo | any issue with it in your debian ? |
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| 22:06.23 | guerrilha__ | hello! im trying to install vlc jack plugin, but i got a bunch of dependencies missing |
| 22:06.29 | guerrilha__ | is there any recent repos ? |
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| 22:08.15 | inigo | depends of a debian package should be satisfied in debian repos... maybe it needs contrib or non-free at a side of "main"? |
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| 22:08.45 | inigo | "it"... or some of its recursive depends |
| 22:08.46 | babilen | !tell guerrilha__ -about bat |
| 22:09.10 | inigo | !tell inigo -about bat |
| 22:09.27 | inigo | oh |
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| 22:10.23 | babilen | inigo: "/msg dpkg bat" (likewise for any other factoid) :) |
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| 22:11.56 | inigo | tell also works, I supposed the factoid was related to the vlc jack issue, not about general help :) |
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| 22:12.30 | mo1991 | anyone have any experience with mdm, the multiseat display manager |
| 22:13.48 | babilen | inigo: Yeah, it was. I was hoping that guerrilha__ provides more information about the problem (s)he is having. |
| 22:14.51 | inigo | some bots are as powerful as the best wiki in the world, so I consulted too, just in case |
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| 22:17.06 | ac_slater | sorry, Yea my issue is with drupal and debian |
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| 22:17.19 | ac_slater | but... before I ask... ill do some experiments. Thanks. |
| 22:17.19 | guerrilha__ | working on it |
| 22:17.25 | babilen | inigo: Yeah, the point is that "!tell $ME -about FOO" results in unnecessary traffic in the channel, whereas "/msg dpkg FOO" does not :) -- And I would argue that dpkg definitely falls into to first category ;) |
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| 22:17.45 | inigo | ouch, indeed... thanks for the tip |
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| 22:19.48 | guerrilha__ | http://pastebin.com/FHam0nEY |
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| 22:21.09 | guerrilha__ | iv pasted some of the apt-gets iv tried here |
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| 22:21.45 | guerrilha__ | not sure if i need to try deeper the dependencies. on synaptic vlc is with an grey ! over it, and i cant update it either. is there more info I can provide? |
| 22:22.30 | inigo | are you in testing or sid ? |
| 22:22.46 | inigo | maybe you need just to wait some time until the depends enter in the repos for your arch |
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| 22:23.34 | guerrilha__ | sorry, wrong paste, heres with the policies - http://pastebin.com/Y7Qxyr2d |
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| 22:25.42 | inigo | aaa that explains why you get the 2.0.0-5 error while debian has the 2.0.0-6 version |
| 22:25.54 | inigo | please, ask to mint people |
| 22:26.10 | inigo | ^^^ guerrilha__ |
| 22:27.30 | jelly-home | ,versions vlc |
| 22:27.31 | judd | Package: vlc on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; sid: 2.0.0-6; wheezy: 2.0.0-6; sid-multimedia: 1:2.0.0-0.1; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.0-0.1 |
| 22:27.42 | straterra | I'm running in to some...weird dep issues when trying to install libc6-dev.. http://pastebin.com/4NCuGHcA |
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| 22:29.09 | kevlarman | straterra: same issue, the -dev package in your mirror hasn't been updated to match libc6 yet |
| 22:29.17 | straterra | gah |
| 22:29.22 | straterra | Stupid mirrors :x |
| 22:29.24 | jelly-home | straterra: what does "apt-cache policy libc6 libc6-dev" say? |
| 22:29.37 | pdtpatr1ck | Question - what's the base package name for debian called? Im doing a net install but i want to install the Base system afterwards, what's the name of that package ? |
| 22:29.44 | guerrilha__ | is there a mint channel in freenode? |
| 22:29.53 | jelly-home | !mint |
| 22:29.54 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 22:29.56 | themill | straterra: more likely you deleted squeeze-updates from your sources.list recently |
| 22:30.01 | jelly-home | guerrilha__: apparently not |
| 22:30.02 | straterra | http://pastebin.com/PAxrG7dC |
| 22:30.41 | themill | straterra: or alternatively, you need to fix your pinning. (why do you have any pinning at all if you're running stable?) |
| 22:30.46 | tremon | pdtpatr1ck: there is no base metapackage (not like ubuntu has). You can use tasksel to install a base system though |
| 22:31.02 | straterra | themill: I have pinning for nginx, I believe. |
| 22:31.15 | straterra | I run nginx from their mirror, not debians (I need a much newer version) |
| 22:31.19 | pdtpatr1ck | tremon: do u know what those packages are? I cannot do tasksel because of how I'm setting up the server |
| 22:31.41 | themill | dpkg: tell straterra about backports |
| 22:31.50 | straterra | Backports isn't new enough either |
| 22:31.52 | tremon | straterra: apt-get install libc6-dev/squeeze-updates |
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| 22:32.11 | straterra | tremon: Same issue.. |
| 22:32.14 | themill | straterra: you *really* need 1.1.16? |
| 22:32.21 | straterra | Yes |
| 22:32.33 | themill | and why on earth do they have more than nginx in their repo anyway? |
| 22:32.33 | tremon | pdtpatr1ck: aptitude search ~E (I think) |
| 22:32.35 | jelly-home | wonders wth is there a libc6 in ex-volatile |
| 22:32.50 | themill | jelly-home: tzdata? |
| 22:33.10 | jelly-home | themill: ought to have been separated |
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| 22:33.33 | themill | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/158706/ nfc |
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| 22:34.19 | straterra | themill: they dont..the only packages they have are nginx and nginx-debug |
| 22:34.30 | themill | so there's no need for any pinning for that |
| 22:34.48 | jelly-home | themill: spo, ok, but this sounds as if even an actual fucking libc DD maintainer got confused |
| 22:35.04 | straterra | And actually, I just checked..I'm not pinning |
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| 22:35.48 | Kizano_werk | Here's an interesting one... |
| 22:35.54 | themill | straterra: with that output from apt-cache policy, you must be |
| 22:36.11 | jelly-home | straterra: but you somehow got the libc6 installed from squeeze-updates, that ought to not have happened automatically |
| 22:36.24 | straterra | But I'm not. /etc/apt/preferences doesn't even exist and dpkg -l shows all as install |
| 22:36.37 | themill | straterra: /etc/apt/preferences.d ? |
| 22:36.41 | straterra | empty |
| 22:36.43 | Kizano_werk | I am trying to install LDAP on multiple servers, but my issue is I have a script to setup LDAP with the proper configs. It's really time-consuming to go thru the blue screen that comes up for additional config options. Is there a way to have that blue screen use the default config options so I'm not bothered by it. |
| 22:37.08 | Kizano_werk | That way I can apt-get install ldap; config-ldap.pl; <- in an automated fashion such that I don't have to babysit the installs ? |
| 22:37.10 | jelly-home | straterra: oh well, you can always install libc6-dev=2.11.3-3 and get on with life |
| 22:37.11 | Kizano_werk | s/\?$// |
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| 22:37.43 | jelly-home | straterra: if apt doesn't let you, aptitude will! |
| 22:37.45 | jelly-home | hides |
| 22:37.51 | themill | straterra: with no pinning, both repos for libc6 and libc6-dev would have pin levels of 500 not 990. |
| 22:37.51 | straterra | apt is letting me, heh |
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| 22:38.25 | themill | straterra: do you have a Default-Release in /etc/apt/apt.conf{,d}? |
| 22:38.27 | jelly-home | Deafult-Release equals to 990 pinning innit? |
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| 22:38.31 | jelly-home | heh |
| 22:38.33 | themill | yeah |
| 22:38.39 | straterra | APT::Default-Release "stable"; |
| 22:38.41 | inigo | Kizano_werk, if the blue screen is "debconf", see debconf-set-selections (and debconf-get-selections (from debconf-utils) to know what keys to use) |
| 22:38.44 | themill | bingo |
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| 22:38.56 | jelly-home | straterra: pinning in disguise! |
| 22:39.05 | Kizano_werk | hmm.. |
| 22:39.10 | straterra | heh..what should that be? |
| 22:39.16 | themill | straterra: when you're not mixing releases (and you shouldn't with stable), you don't need these settings. They're only going to be harmful in the end. |
| 22:39.17 | jelly-home | it's the decepticon option |
| 22:39.34 | straterra | themill: The only thing I'm mixing is nginx :/ |
| 22:40.02 | themill | straterra: if that's compiled for squeeze and it's the only packages in the repo, then you're not really mixing releases. |
| 22:40.15 | straterra | Huh |
| 22:40.18 | tremon | straterra: default-release stable is always a bad idea, because that definition changes the day a new version is released. Suddenly all your package priorities will change |
| 22:40.33 | straterra | Lemme comment that out then |
| 22:41.02 | straterra | Heh..that fixed it. |
| 22:41.08 | tremon | straterra: if you must have it, refer to the release by name (squeeze), but as others have said, you don't need it |
| 22:41.14 | mo1991 | does anyone know where I can find a newer version of compiz. Only .84 is included in sid, and in order to not get tearing with late nvidia cards (gts 450) there needs to be a workaround that is only included in .86 or later (I know this from ubuntu). Trying to install the compiz from experimental seemed to needs some strange dependancies, I did install the ubuntu compiz and it sort of worked but I could not get the compiz settings ma |
| 22:41.14 | mo1991 | nager installed properly. Can someone suggest the best way to do this? I would think installing ubuntu packages is a no-no, so looking to see if there are other options |
| 22:41.28 | Kizano_werk | inigo: Will that allow me to configure a way to make debconf use the default configs and stop [a forced request] for input from the end-user/me ? |
| 22:41.40 | straterra | Now I can go about compiling openswan :x |
| 22:41.49 | jelly-home | mo1991: backport the one from experimental? |
| 22:41.49 | inigo | Kizano_werk, yes |
| 22:42.01 | Kizano_werk | inigo: Kewl. Thanks ;) |
| 22:42.02 | Kizano_werk | :)* |
| 22:42.12 | jelly-home | !tell mo1991 about ssb |
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| 22:42.29 | abrotman | jelly-home: do packages in experimental have source ? |
| 22:42.39 | jelly-home | abrotman: they bloody well should |
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| 22:43.16 | Kizano_werk | Yup - man debconf-set-selections <- I think that's what we were looking for. |
| 22:43.17 | jelly-home | it's the binaries that are optional |
| 22:43.20 | Kizano_werk | Thanks again inigo ^_^ |
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| 22:43.52 | abrotman | thought they used to not have source .. sees it there now .. |
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| 22:44.22 | inigo | Kizano_werk, run apt-get install debconf-utils; debconf-get-selections | grep ldap > ldap.preseed, and in the other machines, copy the file and try: debconf-set-selections ldap.preseed; apt-get install... |
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| 22:44.26 | jelly-home | mo1991: or, since 0.9 is a different, possibly development branch, you might try using uupdate to bring the sid source package up to latest 0.8.* |
| 22:44.49 | inigo | Kizano_werk, you can use that for all "blue screens" (debconf) of your toys |
| 22:44.54 | mo1991 | jelly-home - thanks for the info - didn't think of that. One thing it says I need to do to compile a backport package is enable debian backports. How do I do that |
| 22:45.11 | Kizano_werk | aaawesome :3 |
| 22:45.11 | mo1991 | for source I mean. I know how to pin, etc, but it seems to be saying something different |
| 22:45.12 | jelly-home | mo1991: since you have sid, that's not needed |
| 22:45.16 | ryoohki | anyone using debian on an android phone? debian-armel? |
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| 22:45.32 | mo1991 | Jelly-home - actually running wheezy. It has the same version as sid .84 |
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| 22:45.47 | jelly-home | mo1991: yeah... pretty much the same thing |
| 22:45.49 | abrotman | ryoohki: there's a #debian-arm on OFTC |
| 22:45.51 | Jazo | i need help with eggdrop ? can anybody help pls? |
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| 22:45.56 | mo1991 | experimental has .9something. Really I only need .86 or better .88 is latest stable according to their website |
| 22:46.03 | abrotman | Jazo: aptitude install eggdrop ? |
| 22:46.05 | Kizano_werk | inigo: I'm still connected to the server on different channels. Thanks for the info :3 |
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| 22:46.27 | jelly-home | mo1991: get apt-get source .. from sid, get upstream 0.8.8 tarball, see if uupdate works |
| 22:46.32 | jelly-home | !tell mo1991 about uupdate |
| 22:46.36 | Jazo | abrotman it was working but i rehash and it shutdown |
| 22:46.36 | mo1991 | but it appears there are no packages for debian for anything higher than .84 other than the .9 version which is devel branch |
| 22:46.56 | abrotman | Jazo: did you try #eggdrop ? |
| 22:46.57 | ryoohki | abrotman: thanks! |
| 22:48.19 | Jazo | abrotman can i pm? |
| 22:48.40 | mo1991 | jelly-home ok i'm installing devscripts |
| 22:48.52 | abrotman | Jazo: a) no b) i don't know anything about eggdrop thankfully |
| 22:49.04 | abrotman | Jazo: what OS is this eggdrop on ? |
| 22:49.19 | Jazo | freebds |
| 22:49.28 | abrotman | Jazo: then why are you asking #debian ? |
| 22:49.49 | mo1991 | jelly-home, can you help me off channel - I'm new to updating the source code from sid |
| 22:49.49 | guerrilha__ | oops sorry guys. |
| 22:49.51 | Jazo | i just need help abt eggdrop it s not abt OS |
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| 22:50.19 | abrotman | Jazo: then ask #eggdrop, have a nice day |
| 22:50.33 | Jazo | nobody s answering ( |
| 22:50.44 | jelly-home | mo1991: keep it in channel, please. I don't think you'd be willing to pay my private help rates. |
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| 22:50.51 | mo1991 | jelly-home I'm not really sure what the "upstream source" is. |
| 22:50.56 | abrotman | sends jelly-home cheap megaswill |
| 22:51.06 | mo1991 | :) |
| 22:51.07 | mo1991 | ok |
| 22:51.18 | jelly-home | mo1991: something like compiz-0.8.8.tar.gz downloaded from the Compiz people. |
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| 22:52.09 | mo1991 | ok. one things that is strange that I noticed on their homepage is I don't see a compiz setings manager in their source directory. |
| 22:52.51 | jelly-home | I don't see a frikkin tarball download, either |
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| 22:53.45 | jelly-home | ccsm is probably a different tree |
| 22:54.21 | mo1991 | anyway, so do I first apt-get source compiz from sid, and then wget - nd from compiz, then uupdate the tar package from the compiz guys, then build the deb from the resultant "patched" source? |
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| 22:54.34 | jelly-home | that is the idea, yes |
| 22:55.01 | mo1991 | ok, thanks jelly-home, I was not aware that this could be done |
| 22:55.33 | jelly-home | that's what debian developers do to create a newer version of packages |
| 22:55.59 | jelly-home | sometimes it works without a lot of extra fuss |
| 22:56.12 | mo1991 | nice, I've done some of my own packages before but it's been awhile, and never really needed anything newer than sid |
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| 22:57.21 | mo1991 | it's not crucial to anything as it's just compiz and I can eliminate tearing just my switching compiz off while watching movies, but compiz really does help my productivity as I use the 4 desktops all day long |
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| 22:57.54 | jelly-home | avoiding window redraws on switching desktops is nice |
| 22:58.06 | mo1991 | and as I'm using xfce with 3 different monitor/keyboard/mouse, the cube doesn't seem to work without compiz |
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| 22:59.06 | jelly-home | my workspace have been aranged in a 2d grid since 1997. the cube sucks |
| 22:59.07 | mo1991 | compiz and mdm (mutliseat display manager) are the last two non-critical things I would like to get working |
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| 23:00.03 | mo1991 | for some reason spanning accross 3 seperate monitors does not seem to allow each monitor a 2d grid, or am I doing something wrong. I have xorg setup with 3 displays each running in their own xserver |
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| 23:01.20 | mo1991 | anyway, I'll try to get newer compiz up before going on about this. Thanks for your help |
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| 23:09.22 | MarkG1234 | Hi, having real problems trying to get my samba configuration working how I want it to. I want most of my directories read/write unconditionally (it's a private home LAN), but I want access to the root dir to be root only and prompt for a password. Tried allsorts, nothing works. My config is here: http://pastebin.com/U7knM8pL What am I doing wrong? |
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| 23:50.13 | DrNoboto | i have a linker question |
| 23:50.20 | DrNoboto | is this the right place? |
| 23:50.37 | DrNoboto | i mean is linker stuff in debian different than linker stuff in general |
| 23:50.57 | DrNoboto | i have a library installed but it isn't being found at run time |
| 23:51.02 | DrNoboto | is what seems to be the case |
| 23:51.03 | acu | I installed AMD64 wheezy qemu-kvm and virt-manager - I am trying to install a virtual machine (debian wheezy) but it always hangs somewere during installation - finally in install the base and from there I call tasksel and chose laptop - well that did not complete -when I reboot the virtual machine - I got no mouse no keyboard - it stays in limbo at the login screen |
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| 23:53.04 | leoleo | porfavor alguien puede ayudarme con un problem de hardware |
| 23:53.11 | DrNoboto | hmm |
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| 23:53.44 | acu | !es |
| 23:53.44 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 23:53.46 | simonlnu | DrNoboto: squeeze? because multi-arch is in progress in wheezy and sid |
| 23:54.58 | cardamon | Someone want to help me with network woes? I have a netbook running wicd and squeeze that can't connect to my college's wireless networks. It has a wireless interface, sees the networks, and has no problem connecting to my one at home. |
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| 23:57.04 | leoleo | my problem is that debian install dvd 1 version 6 and did not recognize my ethernet I have an Aspire 4253-bz818 wanted to tell me step by step how to install |
| 23:57.13 | cardamon | Now is the time to work on it...I'll be going home soon. |
| 23:58.13 | DrNoboto | what is multi-arch? |
| 23:58.16 | acu | cardamon: few things - you can go in network-manager and see there the settings for wireless - but is not bad to know what exactly do they use -b,g, or n - they may have n at school - but is tough to help unless you have more precise information |
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| 23:59.02 | acu | so you have to provide steps you follow and errors you see - from dmesg or /var/log of some type |
| 23:59.08 | DrNoboto | i see that i have the multiarch-support package already installed |
| 23:59.12 | acu | cardamon ^ |
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| 23:59.51 | cardamon | I've tried switching dhcpcd, installing atheros firmware, killing wicd, running iwconfig wlan0 essid "<the school's SSID>", and then dhcpcd wlan0...all that does is make iwconfig report that it's connected to a the SSID'd but it still shows non-associated and of course doesn't owrk. |
