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| 00:01.03 | rick__ | anybody ever install DTC control panel |
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| 00:17.09 | rick__ | I have a single company website I would like to setup, using debian. Any control panels out there that would help me with users, and ftp accounts? |
| 00:18.53 | Dulak | rick__: tons of them, but ftp is a bad idea for password accounts, it sends the password in plaintext. You might consider sftp instead. |
| 00:19.51 | jhutchins_lt | rick__: You have to learn console administration anyway for when the control panels screw up, and sometimes when they fail you can't fix the system using the normal methods. |
| 00:20.09 | jhutchins_lt | Webmin is particularly bad about that. |
| 00:20.43 | rick__ | understood, but right now I would like to get a debian setup, hosting the site, mysql, sftp, ftp, my problem is setting up the user accounts and getting them into the directories they need to upload to. Not just thier "home" accounts |
| 00:20.44 | Dulak | webmin gives me the willies. the entire thing runs as root and is about 10k lines of obfuscated perl. |
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| 00:20.56 | jhutchins_lt | We had some guy a couple of weeks ago who got locked out of the system because he tried to manage ssh with webmin. |
| 00:21.07 | rick__ | webmin is not in the repositories anyway |
| 00:21.17 | rick__ | that I know of... |
| 00:21.35 | jhutchins_lt | rick__: With good reason. |
| 00:22.10 | rick__ | but something like it, I just tried Domain Technologie Control and it hangs on missing dependencies |
| 00:22.24 | jhutchins_lt | !free whcp |
| 00:22.25 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 00:22.48 | jhutchins_lt | rick__: You are running stable, aren't you? |
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| 00:23.15 | rick__ | net install of 6.0.2 or something like that |
| 00:23.26 | jhutchins_lt | Should be updated to 6.0.4. |
| 00:23.39 | rick__ | hopefully...stable...yes I think it is |
| 00:23.39 | Snake456 | Hi, im having some issues with a mail server i have configured. |
| 00:23.59 | Snake456 | the problem is that i don't know with wich username i should log in via in my squirrel web interface. Lol |
| 00:24.04 | jhutchins_lt | rick__: That's the other problem with some of them, by the time you get them working you've done more work than if you'd just set the services up yourself. |
| 00:24.20 | Snake456 | im using Postfix + Dovecot + Squirrelmail |
| 00:24.56 | jhutchins_lt | Squirrelmail should be using your imap account on dovecot to authenticate (I think). |
| 00:25.09 | jhutchins_lt | rick__: Yes, that's stable. |
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| 00:25.16 | rick__ | Yea, your right, but I just didn't want to have to remember how to access ftpuser, etc everytime they got a new employee |
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| 00:25.38 | CXIV | What is the best way to install debian on usb drive? |
| 00:25.45 | jhutchins_lt | rick__: It's pretty easy to set up, and you can just write a script if it needs to happen in more than one place. |
| 00:25.46 | rick__ | at the rate I am going I should have just sat down and learned it |
| 00:26.02 | jhutchins_lt | rick__: Besides, you're going to document it completely and clearly, right? |
| 00:26.18 | Dulak | You are basically opening a hole that says 'hey, anyone on any network between the user and the server that wants access, listen for ftp passwords and hack this box.' |
| 00:26.36 | rick__ | after 3 18 hour days, my documentation is quite bad |
| 00:26.45 | Dulak | But hey, maybe that's what you want to sell these people, how else you gonna make money after the initial setup? |
| 00:27.17 | rick__ | no...I will have to learn about the sftp, I guess |
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| 00:27.26 | rick__ | no rest for the wicked |
| 00:27.42 | Amgine | Lies! I sleep in until 10am. |
| 00:27.45 | cardamon | No rest for the righteous either. |
| 00:28.05 | rick__ | :) |
| 00:28.05 | quebre | somiaj: sorry for delay |
| 00:28.05 | jhutchins_lt | rick__: All the more important in that situation, go back and catch up with the documentation before you go on. |
| 00:28.07 | quebre | it's /usr/share/doc/dhcp3-server/ |
| 00:28.44 | quebre | how can i launch dhcp3-server on debian? |
| 00:28.47 | rick__ | yea your right...tomorrow is another day |
| 00:28.50 | quebre | i have no start script |
| 00:29.05 | lasers` | Hello. Anybody use Gnome-terminal? Please tell me the #hex color for two black palette in the default profile. One is #000000, the other one is/ |
| 00:30.10 | elise-- | Um? |
| 00:30.18 | Dulak | lasers: ?? there is only 1 black in the terminal |
| 00:30.27 | elise-- | #010101 |
| 00:30.29 | Dulak | lasers: are you talking about one of the grays? |
| 00:30.37 | lasers` | Dulak: Yes, almost black. |
| 00:30.58 | elise-- | #888888 is half.way |
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| 00:31.08 | elise-- | Isn't it? |
| 00:31.14 | cardamon | Woo! I've got it to print and scan. |
| 00:31.22 | Dulak | #555753 is the darkest gray on my gnome-terminal |
| 00:31.24 | elise-- | #444444 |
| 00:31.25 | lasers` | elise--: Thank you. We're talking about top-left (first)? :) |
| 00:31.35 | diverdude | Is all logging in debian using rsyslog? |
| 00:31.40 | elise-- | Oh |
| 00:31.44 | nickaugust | hey I have no listing for eth0 in my /etc/network/interfaces but its still enabled on boot. can I disable it in /etc/network/interfaces some how? |
| 00:32.05 | lasers` | Dulak: #555753 (on first row, first box)? |
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| 00:32.35 | elise-- | I was just typing grey colors |
| 00:32.51 | Dulak | lasers`: that's the darkest gray in my gnome terminal palette, it's the lower left box of the 16 boxes |
| 00:33.03 | elise-- | #444444 is half way to half white |
| 00:33.13 | lasers` | Dulak: What about higher left box of 16 boxes? (Default, I assume). |
| 00:33.25 | Dulak | lasers`: that's pure black |
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| 00:33.46 | W4RH4WK | hello there, i got a problem with debian install via pxe: i'm using virtual box, and when i install debian with the latest kernel and initrd i get an error: "no disk drive..." when i use the netinstall iso from the homepage it works fine... any ideas... havn't head the problem a few weeks ago... |
| 00:34.14 | Dulak | lasers`: #2E3436 I was wrong |
| 00:34.30 | Dulak | lasers`: I thought it was pure black but it's not |
| 00:34.41 | lasers` | Dulak: Ah. Thx. That's it. |
| 00:35.06 | lasers` | Dulak: I toggled on Tango color scheme and the 'black' went too dark. Lost my irssi dark-grey color. :) |
| 00:35.17 | Some_Person | I've (still) got a hard drive on which I accidentally hosed the partition table. Is there any way to recreate it? |
| 00:35.33 | cardamon | http://i.imgur.com/bcCFa.png Having trouble with my printer. I just installed it in cups and tried a test print. As you can see, it worked, but I got some weird kerning. The PDF I printed from doesn't have this issue. |
| 00:36.07 | elise-- | Some_person you might need a hex editor |
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| 00:36.18 | Dulak | lasers`: I didn't realize it wasn't pure black. Like 15 years using that terminal and thought wrong. |
| 00:36.30 | lasers` | Dulak: Heh. |
| 00:37.12 | Some_Person | As far as I can tell, the drive currently has no partition table |
| 00:37.59 | Some_Person | and I'm fairly certain that it only had one large NTFS partition |
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| 00:38.12 | Some_Person | The data appears to be ok; photorec is able to recover it |
| 00:38.20 | maher | is it feasible to package dalvik for debian? is anyone doing this? |
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| 00:39.30 | Dulak | I don't believe the license will allow it, I vaguely remember some discussion a while back and the conclusion was non-free only |
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| 00:40.13 | jkyle | for a debian hands off install via pxe boot, is it possible to select an interface based on mac address? |
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| 00:41.05 | Cadefulp | whois cadefulp |
| 00:41.07 | Cadefulp | fuck |
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| 00:46.19 | xispirito | these multimedia repository is official? |
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| 00:48.31 | simonlnu | xispirito: a DD (debian developer) maintains that repo. i don't know how "official" it is otherwise. |
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| 00:50.03 | xispirito | ah, i just in dobt if i can trust in this |
| 00:50.14 | xispirito | butin these case, i thin =k yes |
| 00:50.42 | xispirito | smoking and typing =( |
| 00:50.59 | simonlnu | lots of people use that repo, including myself |
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| 00:51.14 | simonlnu | we also recommend it here for such things |
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| 00:52.19 | xispirito | good |
| 00:53.10 | simonlnu | !dmm |
| 00:53.11 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
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| 00:53.25 | simonlnu | ok, that answers the unofficial question ^^^ |
| 00:53.32 | lynks | i got into a mess configuring partitions, is it possible to delete a device-mapper device? (i have actually deleted the partition it represents, but it still wont budge) |
| 00:53.41 | xispirito | yes =) |
| 00:53.57 | simonlnu | lynks: um which device are you talking about? |
| 00:54.21 | simonlnu | the lv, pv, vg? |
| 00:55.02 | lynks | simonlnu: im in the middle of an installation, i have an encrypted volume, an lvm, and my physical drive, none of them contain paritions, im trying to 'start again' with just the physical device |
| 00:55.44 | simonlnu | oh, just delete it i suppose. should work ok in the stable installer |
| 00:56.20 | lynks | simonlnu: cant find a delete option for any of them? even though they dont exist anymore on the only physical device |
| 00:56.51 | simonlnu | then you can re-do the partitioning |
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| 00:57.32 | lynks | have tried going back to detect disks, but theyre still around |
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| 00:58.14 | lynks | i have to admit, ive never really understood the debian partitioner, despite reading everything i can find on LVMs, logical/primary, etc |
| 00:58.24 | nickaugust | what other start up scripts would you expect network interfaces to be brought up in besides whats specified in /etc/network/interfaces? eht0 is not listed there but still starts by default and I need to disable it |
| 00:59.56 | thewanderer1 | nickaugust, expect the worst - NetworkManager... |
| 01:00.19 | simonlnu | lynks: i'd suggest taking a look at the install guide's relevant sections then. it's not very hard once you grasp what it does |
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| 01:00.48 | simonlnu | lynks: have you ever used the gtk parted frontend? it's very similar in some respects |
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| 01:01.56 | lynks | simonlnu: im trying to make 1 boot partition, and 1 encrypted partition for everything else. |
| 01:02.01 | freshly-squeezed | Are we dealing with a "windiot" here? |
| 01:02.06 | nickaugust | thewanderer1: noooooooooooo..... hahaha maybe NotworkManger is installed on this thing... time to fix that |
| 01:02.38 | lynks | simonlnu: ive done this several times before, some years ago though... |
| 01:02.41 | freshly-squeezed | microft: Try wicd on for size maybe? |
| 01:03.08 | jhutchins_lt | The notion that wicd works better than network-manager is out of date. |
| 01:03.19 | jhutchins_lt | Since squeeze n-m is the more functional. |
| 01:04.19 | nickaugust | thewanderer1: nope, no network manager installed... any other ideas? |
| 01:04.21 | lynks | simonlnu: as i understand it, root partition > volume group > lvm > partition > crypto device > partition > physical device? (where > reads as 'goes inside') |
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| 01:04.45 | jhutchins_lt | nickaugust: /etc/interfaces |
| 01:04.53 | thewanderer1 | nickaugust, yeah, rgrep eth0 /etc |
| 01:05.22 | nickaugust | jhutchins_lt: no such file |
| 01:05.26 | Johnny[A]Demonik | OK, heres one for your records, i want to disable the shell bash who command except for admins and root |
| 01:05.29 | Johnny[A]Demonik | is it possible |
| 01:05.51 | nand` | harden-servers conflicts vsftpd? But I thought vsftpd was, well, “very secure” |
| 01:06.09 | jhutchins_lt | nickaugust: We're beginning to suspect that you may not be running Debian. |
| 01:06.14 | thewanderer1 | Johnny[A]Demonik, change the permissions so that it's only executable by root and adm |
| 01:06.20 | nickaugust | thewanderer1: hmm dhclient.conf and udev/rules.d |
| 01:06.21 | Johnny[A]Demonik | yes |
| 01:06.26 | Johnny[A]Demonik | ok |
| 01:06.34 | Johnny[A]Demonik | and i would do that how? |
| 01:06.39 | thewanderer1 | nickaugust, do you netboot? |
| 01:06.39 | nickaugust | jhutchins_lt: emdebian. sorry I should have said that. |
| 01:06.47 | xuser | Is there a way to see the changelog.gz with apt-get for non installed package? |
| 01:07.00 | thewanderer1 | nickaugust, also what's your kernel command line? |
| 01:07.04 | nickaugust | thewanderer1: emdebian. no netboot |
| 01:07.15 | abrotman | xuser: aptitude changelog foopkg |
| 01:07.29 | nickaugust | thewanderer1: where do I find my kernal command line? |
| 01:07.37 | thewanderer1 | nickaugust, /proc/cmdline ? |
| 01:07.39 | Dulak | Johnny[A]Demonik: chown root:adm /usr/bin/who; chmod 750 /usr/bin/who |
| 01:07.42 | xuser | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:07.58 | abrotman | xuser: also, apt-listchanges |
| 01:08.12 | Dulak | Johnny[A]Demonik: but the info is still there in /proc, anybody with half a clue can still see that data with a single command |
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| 01:08.48 | nickaugust | thewanderer1: wow, never seen that before. "root=/dev/ram0 init=/linuxrc mem=256M console=null" |
| 01:08.53 | nickaugust | 256M woot! |
| 01:08.54 | Johnny[A]Demonik | so how do i make that not work either |
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| 01:09.13 | thewanderer1 | nickaugust, so I'd see what /linuxrc does |
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| 01:10.15 | thewanderer1 | Johnny[A]Demonik, if you want more user privacy and isolation out of your system, consider using grsecurity. it's complicated though, so you should probably get someone to configure it... |
| 01:10.59 | nickaugust | thewanderer1: there it is :) so this is /initrd/linuxrc can I just edit this out of this file or will this get overwritten? |
| 01:11.28 | xuser | abrotman: apt-listchanges only works if you have the pkg installed or a local .deb right? |
| 01:11.33 | Dulak | Johnny[A]Demonik: you have 2 choices really, seperate every user to their own vps, or use something like what thewanderer1 suggested to lock down the machine more than the default. |
| 01:11.36 | Johnny[A]Demonik | thewanderer1 to disable last is as such correct |
| 01:11.38 | Johnny[A]Demonik | rm -f /var/log/wtmp && touch /var/log/wtmp |
| 01:11.45 | Johnny[A]Demonik | chown root.utmp /var/log/wtmp && chmod 664 /var/log/wtmp |
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| 01:12.19 | Dulak | Yeah, nobody is gonna help you now that you made it clear you are trying to cover your tracks. Good job. |
| 01:12.29 | Dulak | You sure are smart. |
| 01:12.57 | thewanderer1 | nickaugust, this seems to be emdebian infrastructure that I have no clue about (or maybe a new feature of Debian Testing? not sure...) - I guess it would be overwritten and that it's supposed to be managed by Debian |
| 01:13.01 | Johnny[A]Demonik | grsecurity will do that i take it |
| 01:13.06 | abrotman | xuser: oh, yes .. sorry ... but aptitude should work either way IIRC |
| 01:13.18 | abrotman | xuser: also, the packages.debian.org has the changelogs |
| 01:13.29 | xispirito | rm -rf /var/ |
| 01:13.35 | nickaugust | thewanderer1: ok thanks for you help man. i'll see if I can make it work. |
| 01:13.43 | Johnny[A]Demonik | xispirito your funny |
| 01:13.45 | Johnny[A]Demonik | HAHAhahahaha |
| 01:13.50 | xispirito | ^^ |
| 01:14.16 | abrotman | xispirito: do not repeat that |
| 01:14.23 | xispirito | 0.0 |
| 01:14.33 | xuser | abrotman: yeah, aptitude changelog works nicely, faster than opening the webpage for the pkg ;-) |
| 01:14.43 | thewanderer1 | Johnny[A]Demonik, grsecurity is not a silver bullet either - it applies many useful /proc and /sys restrictions, but comes with a user manual you actually need to go through, step by step, and customize everything |
| 01:14.52 | abrotman | xispirito: you might think it's funny, it's not, do not do that again |
| 01:15.06 | xispirito | abrotman: lol, no stress |
| 01:15.18 | abrotman | xispirito: not for you .. it's not your machine .. do NOT repeat anything similar to that |
| 01:15.19 | nickaugust | thewanderer1: maybe you can solve my problem in another way. the issue is that eth0 is up and ra0 (wireless) but no communication can happen on ra0 for some reason unless eth0 is disabled. is thre a way around this without disabling eth0 or is that the best bet you think? |
| 01:15.32 | Johnny[A]Demonik | ill lookup grsecurity then |
| 01:15.35 | Johnny[A]Demonik | thank you |
| 01:15.39 | Dulak | thewanderer1: he's not looking to secure his machine, he's looking to hide himself on someone else's machine |
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| 01:15.51 | Johnny[A]Demonik | who? |
| 01:15.54 | xispirito | abrotman: no one here are so dumb to do that |
| 01:15.55 | jkyle | ok, I have a e1000e interface that's not coming up during install does debian 6.04 netboot require special firmware or somethign for that nic? |
| 01:15.58 | xispirito | i think =) |
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| 01:16.15 | nickaugust | thewanderer1: or can I just specify "eth0 down" some how in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:16.20 | abrotman | xispirito: Again, do NOT repeat that, you do not know what others know, some might think you're serious |
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| 01:16.45 | Dulak | xispirito: noobs tend to type anything they are told to type, that's bad ettiquette. |
| 01:17.10 | thewanderer1 | nickaugust, presumably the linuxrc is configurable somehow - if not, it might be a good idea to introduce conditional statements into the code to make it so |
| 01:18.30 | LtL | jkyle: my intel gigabit ethernet uses the e1000e module out of the box. So... you shouldn't need special firmware. |
| 01:18.46 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Remember, the goal on an embedded system is minimalist. Adding a lot of conditional codes adds bulk. |
| 01:19.10 | jkyle | model number 82576, I think I'm looking at this guy: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=522922 |
| 01:19.19 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt, yeah, but monolithic init is not an answer either :P |
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| 01:21.21 | thewanderer1 | nickaugust, hmm, "some reason"? are you having routing problems? |
| 01:21.27 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: The answer is the user has to work on customizing it. |
| 01:22.09 | jhutchins_lt | !emdebian |
| 01:22.10 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 01:22.16 | thewanderer1 | jkyle, I'd try the kmuto installer I guess |
| 01:22.38 | thewanderer1 | jkyle, also, the bug is old - it seems as if it should work in Squeeze |
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| 01:25.27 | thewanderer1 | maybe it needs refreshing if it still concerns the newest release? |
| 01:26.06 | lynks | managed to get myself into that seemingly unresolvable situation again; ending up with a device that you cannot edit because it is 'in-use' by some other device that no longer exists. |
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| 01:27.58 | ola | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.17 | lynks | i may be doing something wrong, but it seems to me that if you make a mistake setting up your partitions during install, your only option is to reboot and go through the setup from the start |
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| 01:30.16 | jhutchins_lt | lynks: Simplify, simplify, simplify. |
| 01:31.17 | Dulak | lynks: if you are new to it, go as simple as you can until you understand more, otherwise you just get frustrated and might give up. |
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| 01:32.05 | lynks | jhutchins_lt: frustratingly, i have set this up twice without any issues, once a few months ago for someone else, once a couple of years ago on this machine. for some reason i keep getting it all inside out this time :( |
| 01:33.03 | lynks | its ok, i believe i understand what im trying to do, i just keep making typos in volume group names and such, forcing a reboot (it seems) |
| 01:33.41 | jhutchins_lt | If you don't use volume groups you can't mis-type the name. |
| 01:34.04 | jhutchins_lt | If you don't use LVM, you can't screw up LVM, and it can't screw you up. |
| 01:34.06 | thewanderer1 | lynks, you'd have to stop the VG before you can use the devices again, but there does seem to be some kind of stale state in Debian Installer that prevents you from reinitializing your configs without rebooting |
| 01:34.26 | Dulak | lynks: you are talking about the installer? You should be able to hit escape and get back to the main menu and start again from there, you shouldn't have to reboot to redo the partitions, unless you are going past that point before you realize there is a mistake |
| 01:34.35 | lynks | i dont want to have to type in multiple passphrases on boot, hence the LVM :P |
| 01:34.43 | jhutchins_lt | If you only use one partition + swap it's a lot harder to screw up the partitioning. |
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| 01:35.20 | jhutchins_lt | If you don't use encryption, you can't get to a point where your USB keyboard isn't recognized and you can't boot because you can't enter the password. |
| 01:35.20 | lynks | Dulak: yes im on the installer, it seems that if you get yourself into a certain state during disk partitioning, it is impossible to rectify, even using the main menu and goung back a couple of stages |
| 01:35.27 | jhutchins_lt | Security through simplicity. |
| 01:35.49 | Dulak | lynks: yeah I get it now, didn't realize you were using lvm |
| 01:35.54 | jhutchins_lt | Going back in an installer never worked for me. |
| 01:36.09 | cardamon | http://i.imgur.com/bcCFa.png Having trouble with my printer. I just installed it in cups and tried a test print. As you can see, it worked, but I got some weird kerning. The PDF I printed from doesn't have this issue. |
| 01:36.35 | nickaugust | thewanderer1: jhutchins_lt: looks like I can drop into a busybox shell on this device and edit the initrd files. Works fine now. Thanks for your help :) |
| 01:36.58 | jhutchins_lt | nickaugust: I'm not sure that will update the initrd. |
| 01:37.11 | nickaugust | jhutchins_lt: it did :) |
| 01:37.18 | jhutchins_lt | nickaugust: It'll probably update it in RAM but not the boot file. |
| 01:37.33 | jhutchins_lt | That would be a little wierd, but I've seen it before. |
| 01:37.41 | nickaugust | jhutchins_lt: nope you do "save" and it writes the current busybox filesystem to disk |
| 01:37.54 | jhutchins_lt | What an excellent arrangement. |
| 01:38.14 | jhutchins_lt | I think it was a router config I saw that did that, probably busybox. |
| 01:38.32 | jhutchins_lt | Isn't it nice when something just works? |
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| 01:39.58 | nickaugust | praise the lord :) |
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| 01:41.00 | cardamon | I clicked that link. I can botnet now? |
| 01:41.15 | cardamon | has seriously been spending too much time in /g/ |
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| 01:44.41 | RantingTalker | i have this laptop that i revived partly |
| 01:44.44 | RantingTalker | but the internal LCD wont work |
| 01:45.00 | RantingTalker | is ther a way to install debian and let it work with the external VGA port? |
| 01:45.16 | RantingTalker | it would be ideal if i could test first |
| 01:45.32 | RantingTalker | ethernet is also dead, but i have usb2serial connectors around for a console if needed |
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| 02:02.59 | quebre | when i want to install debian 6.x via PXE and i have network card e100 that is missing from the kernel is there any way to load it and be able to install debian from network ? |
| 02:03.32 | thewanderer1 | is it some kind of regression in 6.0.4 or what? |
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| 02:07.24 | Vasistha | quebre: I am pretty sure it is possible. Have you read the installation manual? It may be mentioned there |
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| 02:07.51 | jhutchins | e100 should be in the stock kernel. |
| 02:08.04 | jhutchins | So should e1000 and e1000e |
| 02:08.53 | jhutchins | Firmware isn't necessary for most consumer systems and shouldn't be required for an install/ |
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| 02:10.29 | simonlnu | it is in debian kernels |
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| 02:12.56 | lynks | i just installed a new chinese font, and it seems to have become the default font for chinese writing in all applications. how can i change it back to the previous setting? |
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| 02:14.05 | Darkelfjuggalo | Can someone tell me what I need to install for my Squeeze to be capable of reading a DVD video and playing it[not a burned movie but on off the shelf]? |
| 02:14.43 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: I use xine to watch dvd's. VLC might be able to view them as well |
| 02:14.46 | abrotman | Darkelfjuggalo: libdvdread or something like that .. generally |
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| 02:15.07 | abrotman | judd: info libdvdread4 |
| 02:15.08 | judd | Package libdvdread4 (libs, optional) in squeeze/i386: library for reading DVDs. Version: 4.1.3-10; Size: 52.8k; Installed: 204k |
| 02:15.24 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: you will probabaly have to install libdvdread and then read about that in /usr/share/doc/pkgname to get libdvdcss (if you want the non-free drm for encrypted dvd's) |
| 02:16.11 | Darkelfjuggalo | so 'sudo apt-get install libdvdread' first? |
| 02:16.39 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: its libdvdread4 |
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| 02:17.17 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/README.css is the readme file for libdvdcss |
| 02:17.23 | LtL | Darkelfjuggalo: libdvdcss2 is suggested also fyi |
| 02:17.49 | Darkelfjuggalo | Thank you, it says i already the newest version of libdvdread4 |
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| 02:21.53 | vbrummond | Darkelfjuggalo: there is a utility (potentially questionable in some jurisdictions) that is needed to understand the content encryption of an off the shelf dvd |
| 02:22.09 | vbrummond | called libdvdcss, look at debian-multimedia.org to find it |
| 02:22.15 | Darkelfjuggalo | Will I need to run either or to view run a DVD in my movie Player? i ask becuase I have tried and am told my Movie player Cannot read the disc |
| 02:22.26 | vbrummond | this is because *cites post above* |
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| 02:22.53 | Darkelfjuggalo | lol ok thanks |
| 02:23.23 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: I pointed you at the readme file, read it. |
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| 02:24.03 | nutron | I need a refresher. I forget how to disable logging to the console. |
| 02:24.16 | nutron | dmesg -n1 I remember... but for the whole system? |
| 02:24.19 | Darkelfjuggalo | i did and i didn't understand it except that it talked about the libDVDnav |
| 02:24.38 | vbrummond | it reads for me how to install libdvdcss |
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| 02:26.39 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok have to get libdvdread2 to install the .deb for libdvdcss |
| 02:27.02 | vbrummond | it should be installed; you probably just need the deb for libdvdcss |
| 02:28.00 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: its libdvdread4, and /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/README.css -- gives you two places you can get libdvdcss from. |
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| 02:28.33 | somiaj | (though I guess I'm reading the sid version, but info on css is in there) |
| 02:29.13 | Darkelfjuggalo | oops, i installed the wrong .deb |
| 02:29.41 | Darkelfjuggalo | i installed libdvdcss2-dev instead of libdvdcss |
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| 02:32.09 | somiaj | Darkelfjuggalo: -dev means a development parts of the libary, you usually don't need those for binary packages. (: |
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| 02:36.19 | Darkelfjuggalo | i know, i didn't read carfully...i was looking for my Arch. |
| 02:36.35 | chelz | what's the name of that tool to display files in system dirs not tracked by apt? and that other tool to verify the hashes of all installed apt pavkages? |
| 02:37.26 | chelz | ah deb sums is the second |
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| 02:37.45 | somiaj | chelz: dpkg -S will tell you what (if any) package owns a file, though don't know any tool that parses though and checkes every file. |
| 02:40.13 | chelz | ahh i was looking for the tool "cruft", and the other tool was "debsums" |
| 02:40.34 | chelz | thanks for letting me brainstorm |
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| 02:45.12 | Darkelfjuggalo | due to size of next question/example, please see http://paste.debian.net/plain/156576 |
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| 02:46.40 | lstarnes | Darkelfjuggalo: I still don't understant |
| 02:47.20 | lstarnes | Darkelfjuggalo: you want to increase the bandwidth of your wireless connection? |
| 02:48.28 | Darkelfjuggalo | the question in the link? is there a way to Override the tags blocked by the network admin to allow me access to the blocked sites i need to use, or can i increase the strength of my Wireless card to pull from a weaker network more securely that doesn't block my sites. |
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| 02:48.57 | lstarnes | Darkelfjuggalo: the first depends on the software used to perform the blocking and the way it is configured |
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| 02:49.43 | lstarnes | Darkelfjuggalo: the second depends on whether you can increase the transmitter power of your wireless card and whether that would give you a better bandwidth. you'd probably want to get a high-gain antenna too |
| 02:49.47 | Darkelfjuggalo | i'd have to get into the School board office, but i expect if i'm gettign 4 different networks from the school about a 1/4 mile down the road, they have some high end equipment |
| 02:49.48 | ausa | hi, I can connect to WPA networks using wicd, but when I try to connect to WEP netwokrs it doesn't work, can I connect through command line, or editing network file? |
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| 02:50.24 | RantingTalker | can i do a headless install with only a serial console? |
| 02:50.26 | lstarnes | 0.25 mi is usually outside the transmitter range of most routers and wifi cards |
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| 02:50.35 | somiaj | ausa: yes, man 5 interfaces |
| 02:50.50 | ausa | somiaj: ok |
| 02:51.03 | lstarnes | even if your card can receive it, you still need to be able to transmit that far |
| 02:51.16 | somiaj | RantingTalker: yes, but it is nice to have a head to start it. |
| 02:51.25 | somiaj | RantingTalker: either that or you have to make a preseed file |
| 02:51.28 | RantingTalker | you know what i mean somiaj |
| 02:51.39 | RantingTalker | aha |
| 02:51.41 | RantingTalker | preseed file? |
| 02:51.47 | Darkelfjuggalo | since i have no say over the 2nd, how would i be able to increase tranmitter power, and how would the antenna help, is that needed on my end or the public network's end? |
| 02:51.50 | RantingTalker | there's no possibillity of conencting a display |
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| 02:51.59 | RantingTalker | i want to install debian and then see if i can get any of the ports working |
| 02:52.00 | lstarnes | Darkelfjuggalo: your end usually |
| 02:52.00 | somiaj | RantingTalker: the debian-installer has an 'ssh' option that requires about 5-6 inputs, so you need that |
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| 02:52.13 | somiaj | RantingTalker: can you get access to the hd and put it in another machine? |
| 02:52.15 | RantingTalker | ssh over serial? :s |
| 02:52.50 | lstarnes | Darkelfjuggalo: check man iwconfig for the txpower option |
| 02:52.53 | somiaj | RantingTalker: well you could have a preseed file do the full install and automate the whole thing, but it may take a bit of debugging. |
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| 02:53.02 | Darkelfjuggalo | how would the antenna attach to my Laptop then? [i've never heard of this antenna] |
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| 02:53.13 | Darkelfjuggalo | iwconfig in the terminal? |
| 02:53.17 | lstarnes | Darkelfjuggalo: your wireless card or its drivers might not support changing the transfer power or it might have a rather low limit |
| 02:53.20 | lstarnes | yes |
| 02:53.33 | Vasistha | I have packaged some custom .debs and am going to share them with my brother. I'm giving him some instructions, that include doing dpkg -i for a group of .debs. However I'm not sure if he has the needed dependencies. Is there a simple command that can install missing dependencies for partially installed packages? |
| 02:53.37 | lstarnes | Darkelfjuggalo: you'd use a USB wireless NIC that supports changing the antenna |
| 02:53.40 | RantingTalker | somiaj: well all i would need is a CD that outputs a terminal to the serial port |
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| 02:53.58 | RantingTalker | with screen this shouldnt be a prob |
| 02:54.05 | Darkelfjuggalo | ok iwconfig: command not found |
| 02:54.21 | lstarnes | what aboit iw? |
| 02:54.26 | Vasistha | Darkelfjuggalo: how about /sbin/iwconfig |
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| 02:54.42 | Darkelfjuggalo | i had a USB wireless NIC but I misplaced it...i been looking for it for a few weeks |
| 02:54.45 | Vasistha | Darkelfjuggalo: if you're not root then /sbin won't be in your path |
| 02:54.55 | lstarnes | you'd need to use sudo iw |
| 02:55.32 | somiaj | RantingTalker: I know that you can automate the whole install with preeseeds, but am unsure what else you would need to set up a serial terminal by default. |
| 02:55.53 | Darkelfjuggalo | http://paste.debian.net/156578/ |
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| 02:56.15 | RantingTalker | somiaj: because that is the only way to interact with the machine lol |
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| 02:58.27 | heinzes | are there hardcoded path in compiled debian packages that will prevent me from using the software if it is in a different location, e.g. if I put svn in /var/chroot/usr/bin/svn and add to path and ld_library_path? |
| 02:58.37 | somiaj | RantingTalker: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/221 seems to be a forum thread about installing debian over a serial console, you have to do some blind typing but it should work I'd hope. |
| 02:59.22 | RantingTalker | yeah i already found that |
| 02:59.27 | RantingTalker | its from 2005 though |
| 02:59.58 | somiaj | heinzes: you can add various files to the ld_library_path, there is a shell envvar you can use, or you can add config snippets to /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ |
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| 03:00.40 | silvertip257 | I'd like to set snmpd to start on boot for my Squeeze box, but I've tried update-rc.d and (the proper) insserv commands to no avail. http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot |
| 03:00.47 | heinzes | somiaj: nice, thanks. |
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| 03:07.12 | somiaj | silvertip257: how did you install snmpd? |
| 03:08.43 | somiaj | silvertip257: if it is from the debian package, seem it provides an init.d script and a config file. Could it be a configuration issue? |
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| 03:10.19 | silvertip257 | somiaj: it starts fine if I use `service snmpd start` or `/etc/init.d/snmpd start` ... and yes, stock snmpd from Debian. |
| 03:11.05 | somiaj | silvertip257: you can check to see that the symlinks are made, ls /etc/rc?.d |
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| 03:11.22 | somiaj | silvertip257: note the letter in front of them. |
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| 03:11.51 | silvertip257 | yes, they were present but I should look closer at them ... I've decided to pick this up tomorrow evening. :-S |
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| 03:12.27 | silvertip257 | thanks for the tips - I'll follow them |
| 03:13.06 | silvertip257 | picks the book back up ;) |
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| 03:22.38 | RantingTalker | can i install debian to an USB stick with my desktop, then boot it with my laptop? |
| 03:22.44 | RantingTalker | if its the same arch |
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| 03:22.55 | RantingTalker | my laptop is pretty dead and i have no way to connect a display to it |
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| 03:34.31 | innociv | My machine has been getting DDoS'd for 3 days and my host won't do anything about it. Can anyone recommend a host that would be proactive about stopping their customers from being DDoS'd? :/ |
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| 03:37.54 | nkuttler | innociv: what did you expect the hoster to do? |
| 03:38.08 | innociv | null route the ips used in the attack? |
| 03:38.20 | nkuttler | innociv: did you send them a list of ips? |
| 03:39.34 | innociv | I have trouble getting them since I can't even ssh when it's being attacked. Can't tcpdump during it. I don't know if I could have tcpdump running and stop it after an attack, or something. |
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| 03:42.09 | nkuttler | innociv: doesn't your hoster have something like paid support requests? i mean analyzing the traffic etc takes time and i wouldn't expect any hoster to do that for free |
| 03:43.03 | innociv | That would be understandable, but in emailing them they never mentioned that. |
| 03:44.01 | innociv | I wish there were an easy way to figure out the ips used. |
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| 03:46.00 | nkuttler | innociv: maybe they can filter port 80.. tht might help |
| 03:46.10 | innociv | Lol :p |
| 03:46.20 | innociv | I use it as a webserver. |
| 03:46.31 | nkuttler | at least you could check your logs.. |
| 03:47.28 | nkuttler | it's not like it's a very good web server at the moment anyway |
| 03:47.33 | innociv | Which logs? http access logs? It's not tcp. |
| 03:47.37 | innociv | The ddos is udp. |
| 03:47.40 | nkuttler | oh |
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| 03:49.39 | innociv | Yeah. |
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| 03:50.14 | innociv | So 99.9% of udp traffic coming to my system is the ddos. |
| 03:50.48 | innociv | I wish there was some what to monitor it for a time, and report the ips sending data via udp > a few kb total. |
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| 03:52.12 | LtL | innociv: look at aptitude show portsentry |
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| 03:53.03 | innociv | Alright. Hopefully it's easy to use |
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| 03:53.33 | LtL | innociv: that I couldn't say, check their website. |
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| 03:55.43 | sanduz2 | my debian 6 server cannot use the internet, for some reason, but it can use my local network and i can ssh into it. im sure it happened when i switched from using a dedicated router to a cable modem with routing capability. i can access the internet on a windows box connected to the same router modem though. any ideas? im thinking it might be what i have in /etc/interfaces which is simply 'auto eth0, iface eth0 inet static, address 10 |
| 03:55.43 | sanduz2 | .1.10.2, netmask 255.255.255.0' |
| 03:56.37 | vimpulse | sanduz2: hi. What happens when you try to connect to ping the default gateway? (Note: I am not committing to take on your question: I am just curious.) |
| 03:56.48 | vimpulse | sanduz2: s/connect to ping/ping |
| 03:57.12 | innociv | Does not look like it'll help. I can't blackhole traffic on my own machine. This looks like something for the ISP, no? |
| 03:57.16 | sanduz2 | all packets received when i ping the gateway from the server |
| 03:57.23 | sanduz2 | @ vimpulse |
| 03:57.43 | vimpulse | sanduz2: what happens when you try to ping 8.8.8.8 (Google Public DNS primary server)? |
| 03:58.04 | sanduz2 | "connect: Network is unreachable" |
| 03:58.30 | vimpulse | sanduz2: what gateway was ping trying to use when it returned "Network is unreachable"? |
| 03:58.41 | vimpulse | sanduz2: in other words -- what next hop? |
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| 03:59.29 | sanduz2 | well it should be the same gateway that pinging the gateway used wouldnt it? both i assume are the router modem |
| 03:59.41 | sanduz2 | @vimpulse |
| 03:59.55 | vimpulse | sanduz2: hint: if you type "route" and press Enter, your PC's default gateway will be in the results returned. :) |
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| 04:00.11 | sanduz2 | hmm |
| 04:00.28 | LtL | innociv: don't know, I found the info here, http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=349838 |
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| 04:00.46 | sanduz2 | vimpulse, good hint, it shows 10.1.10.0 (instead of 10.1.10.1, which is what i thought the router modems address was)) |
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| 04:01.16 | vimpulse | sanduz2: what's the last line of route(8)'s output? |
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| 04:02.40 | sanduz2 | not sure what you mean by (8)... but the last line of simply typing route is: 10.1.10.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 04:03.15 | vimpulse | sanduz2: (8) means that when you type "man route" you will see it falls into section 8 of the Debian manual page set. 8 is for, IIRC, sysadmin tools. |
| 04:03.18 | sanduz2 | im thinking i might have to specifically specify the gateway in interfaces |
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| 04:03.34 | sanduz2 | vimpulse, oh ok |
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| 04:04.01 | vimpulse | sanduz2: please paste the route(8) output line that starts with "default", or if there isn't one, please tell us. |
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| 04:05.13 | innociv | And http://pastebin.com/Ya2kvi3L is an example from tcpdump of something that didn't look right. Anyway I installed and configured portsentry. I'll wait and see, but I don't think it'll do anything since it won't actually stop the false traffic from being spammed to my machine |
| 04:05.28 | vimpulse | sanduz2: in this case, when I write "route(8)", the "(8)" really means that "route" is a command name, not just a regular word in a sentence meaning "pathway" or "way to get somewhere". :) |
| 04:05.28 | innociv | But if I can get ips logged, maybe my host will blackhole them then.. though I doubt it |
| 04:05.58 | sanduz2 | vimpulse, i dont think im seeing any line titled default in the OUTPUT section |
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| 04:06.23 | vimpulse | sanduz2: then you have no default route. |
| 04:06.24 | vimpulse | Dear all: This is where my skills get rusty. Why does sanduz2 have no default route? |
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| 04:07.47 | sanduz2 | vimpulse, thanks for clearing up the way you guys communicate commands btw, ive seen that a few times without knowing about it heh |
| 04:08.00 | vimpulse | sanduz2: :) |
| 04:08.00 | vimpulse | sanduz2: route | grep -i "default" | wc -l |
| 04:08.29 | sanduz2 | vimpulse, 0 |
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| 04:09.43 | vimpulse | sanduz2: you definitely have no default route. Do you know what a default route is? By the way, Douglas Comer's book on networking (the edition I read has a simple black-and-white cover) is excellent and may help you here, if you own it. |
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| 04:10.33 | lynks | i think its finally time i moved away from fluxbox. any suggestions as for a lightweight wm with the limitless customisation scope that im used to? |
| 04:10.56 | vimpulse | lynks: why not fluxbox? :) |
| 04:11.01 | sanduz2 | vimpulse, i have a hunch about what it is, ill do a little searching. btw, you dont think specifying the gateway in the interfaces config would help? its the first thing that came to my mind |
| 04:11.20 | sanduz2 | well ill try it anyway, should only take a secnod |
| 04:11.26 | vimpulse | sanduz2: good educated guess! specifying the gateway will fix your problem. |
| 04:11.51 | vimpulse | sanduz2: i didn't think of it, but it seems 100% right now that you've suggested it. |
| 04:12.04 | indistylo | route -n for Gateway ? |
| 04:12.08 | sanduz2 | haha thanks :), whats with default route though? is it something that should be built into every debian server? |
| 04:12.08 | lynks | vimpulse: im having a bunch of font issues at the moment, im blaming fluxbox rightly or wrongly |
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| 04:12.44 | sanduz2 | indistylo, yes weve discovered the default gateway is wrong. i guess manually specifying it is always a good idea |
| 04:13.45 | sanduz2 | and it worked :) thanks vimpulse and others |
| 04:13.56 | innociv | Gah why is it outputting to syslog that's full of other things? |
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| 04:15.14 | vimpulse | sanduz2: you're welcome. Where did you originally not set a gateway? |
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| 04:16.48 | sanduz2 | vimpulse, in /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 04:17.48 | vimpulse | sanduz2: (/me looks at "man interfaces") |
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| 04:18.57 | vimpulse | sanduz2: where did you originally learn to write interfaces(5) lines? :) |
| 04:20.02 | sanduz2 | vimpulse, after so many networking issues, constantly fixing stuff when changing stuff around in my network and trying different distros n stuff :] |
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| 04:20.36 | sanduz2 | im a noob but i guess ive acquired some good experience thus far |
| 04:20.49 | vimpulse | sanduz2: yes, it seems you have indeed acquired lots of good experience. |
| 04:20.51 | vimpulse | sanduz2: does your OS ever guess the default gateway by itself? |
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| 04:21.59 | sanduz2 | vimpulse, yes i think it has before. it did with the router which uses 192.168.*.* |
| 04:22.12 | sanduz2 | im not a networking guy so i dont know too much about it |
| 04:22.19 | vimpulse | dear all: why might sanduz2's OS have not guessed the default gateway this time? |
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| 04:51.04 | innociv | I installed portsentry, configured it, and since the last DDoS this is all I have in syslog aptitude show portsentry aptitude show portsentry http://pastebin.com/H6X5tCgi Doesn't look like it's logged anything from the DDoS to me |
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| 04:53.10 | LtL | innociv: isn't it supposed to add the ip's to /etc/hosts.deny or somethin, i didn't read up on it |
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| 05:11.42 | LtL | innociv: that log looks like it's working for ya |
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| 05:26.44 | nachos | Hi, does anyone know the kernel options i need to compile in to recognise and boot off a SD card on a macbook pro? |
| 05:27.20 | nachos | Strange thing is, OpenBSD is fine, works right out of the box. |
| 05:27.49 | nachos | http://www.cs.sfu.ca/~ggbaker/personal/cf-linux <- i've tried that and nothing |
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| 05:28.34 | somiaj | nachos: botting off the sd card shouldnt be a kernel issue, but being able to read the filesystem will be. Have you seen what module is required to read your sd card reader? |
| 05:28.50 | nachos | looks like its usb/scsi |
| 05:29.01 | nachos | thats what lsmod says in the live cd ( im using gentoo ) |
| 05:29.05 | innociv | LtL, oh really? And it's supposed to nullroute them |
| 05:29.51 | Mike1 | good morning! How can I change the DPI for font rendering? I’ve installed playonlinux and wine and now all fonts are very tiny |
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| 05:30.10 | Mike1 | I think it’s related to DPI |
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| 05:32.00 | vimpulse | nachos: dunno. If I may ask, why boot off an SD card? |
| 05:32.16 | nachos | why not, portable, like booting off a usb |
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| 05:32.23 | vimpulse | dear all: why might sanduz2's OS have not guessed the default gateway this time? |
| 05:32.29 | nachos | i had one lying around so why not |
| 05:32.38 | vimpulse | nachos: is your actual use case that you want to carry your OS around? :) |
| 05:32.45 | nachos | yes |
| 05:32.50 | nachos | well, |
| 05:32.53 | nachos | microSD in my phone |
| 05:32.59 | nachos | >:-) |
| 05:33.08 | vimpulse | nachos: what make and model is your phone? |
| 05:33.15 | nachos | htc desire |
| 05:33.20 | vimpulse | android? |
| 05:33.23 | nachos | yeah bro |
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| 05:33.56 | vimpulse | Let me check: you want to run Linux on your MacBook and android on your phone. Yes? :) |
| 05:34.04 | vimpulse | s/Linux/Debian |
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| 05:34.49 | nachos | haha |
| 05:34.57 | nachos | im a tripper |
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| 05:49.22 | vimpulse | nachos: Repeat: Let me check: you want to run Debian on your MacBook and android on your phone. Yes? :) |
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| 05:54.25 | engla | nachos: macbooks can boot of sd? |
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| 05:54.42 | nachos | engla; openbsd works fine |
| 05:55.12 | nachos | you need to install refit to boot off SD, then chainload into your bootloader |
| 05:55.28 | engla | ok. doesn't it work just like booting from usb? |
| 05:55.35 | nachos | exactly |
| 05:55.36 | engla | in that case the debian installer would work right away |
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| 05:56.00 | nachos | thing is, the kernel is fucked. i dont know what options i need to select to get the SD OVER SCSI OVER USB OVER whatever working |
| 05:56.01 | skilz_ | lol |
| 05:56.08 | nachos | im trying a autobuild kernel |
| 05:56.13 | nachos | ill see how that goes |
| 05:56.20 | engla | ah that could be a problem, I have no idea about that part |
| 05:56.30 | nachos | yeah that is the problem, openbsd works. |
| 05:56.34 | nachos | ide use that, but its not linux |
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| 05:59.39 | engla | nachos: the boot loader is ok? |
| 05:59.46 | nachos | yeah bootloader is fine |
| 05:59.54 | nachos | well, problem is, its a mbr loader |
| 06:00.05 | karlpinc | nachos: refit is a boot loader? |
| 06:00.06 | nachos | but using a gpt loader it works fine ( linux |
| 06:00.14 | nachos | sort of, efi software |
| 06:00.41 | nachos | you overwrite apples bootloader with refit, then boot off the sdcard, which chainloads into GRUB2 or openbsd's bootloader |
| 06:00.49 | karlpinc | urgle. efi seems like a giant security vulnerability. |
| 06:01.01 | nachos | yeah, dont know, dont care, i want linux on a stick |
| 06:01.03 | vimpulse | nachos: why did you mention all three of 1) an SD, 2) a microSD, and 3) a phone? :) |
| 06:01.06 | engla | karlpinc: why? |
| 06:01.18 | nachos | vimpulse is trolling so hard |
| 06:01.27 | karlpinc | engla: Meet me in #debian-offtopic. |
| 06:02.34 | nachos | engla: he will be the one in the suit with the red rose |
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| 06:03.00 | vimpulse | dear all: what did nachos mean when s/he wrote "microSD in my phone" 29 minutes ago? |
| 06:03.14 | nachos | okay |
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| 06:03.21 | nachos | you can turn your phone into usb mode, |
| 06:03.29 | nachos | so the drive is accessable RAW to the host via usb |
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| 06:03.37 | nachos | plug it in, and boom, you boot linux off your phone |
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| 06:03.51 | vimpulse | nachos: ah. So the phone acts as a very expensive microSD reader? |
| 06:03.53 | nachos | that is, connect your phone via usb to your laptop, select usb mode on the phone |
| 06:04.10 | nachos | all i have to do is carry my phone |
| 06:04.14 | engla | spy mode |
| 06:04.16 | nachos | i dont need anything else |
| 06:04.20 | nachos | yes -_- |
| 06:04.40 | engla | and that cable is 12 mbit/s or something :) |
| 06:04.42 | vimpulse | nachos: can you send an SMS from the phone while it's in USB mode? |
| 06:04.51 | nachos | yes |
| 06:04.59 | nachos | phone is fully functional |
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| 06:05.10 | nachos | it just unmounts the sdcard |
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| 06:05.21 | nachos | it has its own internal NAND flash |
| 06:05.29 | nachos | so all the kernel images and system are on that |
| 06:05.39 | nachos | sdcard just has crap on it, and applications you move there |
| 06:05.44 | vimpulse | dear all: does Debian plus KDE4 and Firefox with lots of tabs run reasonably fast from an ordinary microSD card bought from a drugstore or convenience store? |
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| 06:06.05 | nachos | vimpulse: you are a troll |
| 06:06.23 | nachos | vimpulse: i bought a 32gb one off ebay, wierd thing is it says its capacity is 2gb |
| 06:06.24 | vimpulse | nachos: I ask this because I tried running Debian off an SD card years ago and it was too slow to be worth using. |
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| 06:06.41 | nachos | yeah, how long ago |
| 06:06.42 | nachos | what class? |
| 06:06.55 | nachos | they've gotten faster |
| 06:06.56 | vimpulse | nachos: IIRC, 16GB class 6 full-size SD. |
| 06:07.10 | nachos | class 6, interesting |
| 06:07.12 | vimpulse | nachos: maybe three or five years ago. |
| 06:07.23 | nachos | yeah. well, openbsd was fine |
| 06:07.27 | Blue1 | file structure is also a consideration -- ext4 does journaling, ext2 does not. |
| 06:07.27 | nachos | i never tried X |
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| 06:07.39 | vimpulse | Blue1: I probably used ext3. |
| 06:07.46 | vimpulse | nachos: do you want X? |
| 06:07.50 | engla | you can disable the journal in ext4 |
| 06:07.51 | nachos | vimpulse used a compressed file system |
| 06:07.56 | nachos | that was encryoted |
| 06:07.56 | vimpulse | i did? |
| 06:07.57 | gnarface | now |
| 06:07.59 | gnarface | mt |
| 06:08.02 | Blue1 | vimpulse: that does journaling as well. yes you can turn it off. |
| 06:08.02 | nachos | with truecrypt |
| 06:08.25 | Blue1 | i used ext2 when building my bootable usb drive |
| 06:08.45 | Blue1 | and also set noatime in fstab |
| 06:10.10 | karlpinc | Blue1: noatime is no longer really necessary. I forget the details. Man fstab describes the default option that makes this so. (IIRC) |
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| 06:11.08 | Blue1 | hmm I have always just set that. |
| 06:11.44 | gnarface | the new default is supposed to gain most the performance benefits without crippling basic functionality that things like mail rely on |
| 06:11.56 | gnarface | i forget but its like nofstime or something like that? |
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| 06:13.00 | innociv | I'm being DDoS'd and trying to get it logged with portsentry. I have "KILL_ROUTE="/sbin/route add -host $TARGET$ reject" |
| 06:13.01 | innociv | " in the portsentry onfig. That would be giving a "iptables denied:" message in /var/log/syslog? Rather than it saying portsentry:etc? |
| 06:13.02 | vimpulse | nachos: ebay completed item URL for your microSD please? |
| 06:13.24 | karlpinc | nachos: You probably want the linux-doc package and the kernelparameters.gz file (IIRC). |
| 06:13.48 | Pinchiukas | Doesn't Debian have drivers for VMWare? The installer can't see the disk. |
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| 06:14.37 | Blue1 | yeah just read the wiki on that - thanks for the info. |
| 06:14.40 | vimpulse | Pinchiukas: dunno. I tend to use VirtualBox, not VMware |
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| 06:14.51 | vimpulse | Pinchiukas: did you already pay for VMware? |
| 06:14.59 | karlpinc | Pinchiukas: You might try http://wiki.debian.org/VMware |
| 06:15.19 | karlpinc | thinks kvm is the ticket. |
| 06:15.36 | vimpulse | karlpinc: hmm, I never tried that. I like VirtualBox's UI. |
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| 06:16.43 | karlpinc | !tell vimpulse about kvm |
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| 06:19.32 | vimpulse | interesting link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_flash_drive#Fake_products |
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| 06:23.33 | Pinchiukas | vimpulse: pay? |
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| 06:24.21 | Pinchiukas | Or maybe I'm installing the 32bit version on a 64bit VM... :) |
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| 06:25.14 | vimpulse | Pinchiukas: which VMware are you using? |
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| 06:42.04 | patrakov | Hi. I want to choose a monitoring system. Basically, I want a simple web page with graphs such as "cpu used by apache" or "the result of select max(id) from some_table minus the value 30 minutes ago" for each of my servers. |
| 06:42.26 | patrakov | which easy-to-learn package can you recommend for that? |
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| 06:43.02 | vimpulse | patrakov: hi. What action do your customers say is too slow right now? |
| 06:43.41 | patrakov | vimpulse: I didn't say anything about customers |
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| 06:44.17 | vimpulse | patrakov: ok. Let me change my question. What inspired you to want monitoring? :) |
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| 06:44.32 | vimpulse | Blue1: nachos: it looks like Mark Lord's "run_from_ram", or maybe Junjiro Okajima's "aubrsync", may also be helpful for running Xorg and a Web browser from flash. |
| 06:44.33 | vimpulse | Blue1: nachos: They both allow you to hold all pending disk writes in RAM for minutes or hours, then to push them all to disk at once at a time of your choosing. |
| 06:45.13 | patrakov | I want to have alerts that are visible if something goes wrong. IOW to catch bugs in deployed code, and notice them before our customers to. |
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| 06:45.50 | vimpulse | patrakov: high cpu usage indicates a bug in the code your company wrote? |
| 06:46.21 | cantido | high cpu usage could also indicate its doing something.. crazy I know |
| 06:46.56 | patrakov | recently we had a bug that results in insertion of bad records into the database instead of updating the old records, and we could have noticed it if we monitored the growth rate of max(id). and another bug manifested itself as high rate of 403 errors and memory consumption by apache |
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| 06:47.24 | cantido | patrakov: or you write tests for you code and run them before deploying |
| 06:47.30 | cantido | s/you/your/ |
| 06:48.04 | factor | i cant seem to get my ethernet card to work, its a r8100c. does not recognizze in lspic or in dmesg i tried manually modprobe but still nothing with the r81xx module |
| 06:48.17 | patrakov | cantido: we do have tests. But the bad situation was something we could not predict. |
| 06:48.23 | vimpulse | patrakov: So the reason you want a monitoring system is not to optimize performance, but to help you find and squash bugs in your company's software. Am I correct? |
| 06:48.27 | factor | I have installi think an eepro and it is giving me an error on boot up and rolling thru the errors |
| 06:48.28 | cantido | factor: if its not in lspci it essentially isnt connected |
| 06:48.43 | patrakov | vimpulse: 80% correct. |
| 06:48.47 | cantido | patrakov: you couldnt test that updating records actually updated them? |
| 06:48.50 | factor | cantido, connected as in what its built on to the board |
| 06:48.52 | vimpulse | patrakov: what's the other 20% please? |
| 06:49.03 | cantido | factor: check dmesg.. |
| 06:49.11 | factor | and the eepro is an external card and not working as well |
| 06:49.13 | cantido | factor: and your bios settings |
| 06:49.20 | factor | cantido, for what |
| 06:49.26 | factor | no bios setting for eth |
| 06:49.29 | cantido | factor: onboard nic disabled |
| 06:49.32 | patrakov | prediction when we would need to change something - e.g. buy new gardware, change the db structure, etc |
| 06:49.40 | factor | My external is not working now as well |
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| 06:49.52 | cantido | factor: PCI? |
| 06:49.59 | factor | I am tring an eepro its also not working with deb 6.0 |
| 06:50.05 | factor | yes its pci |
| 06:50.16 | cantido | factor: basically if it doesnt show in lspci as far as the kernel is concerned it isnt plugged in |
| 06:50.17 | vimpulse | patrakov: so the other 20% is basically to make sure your systems don't bonk due to running out of disk bandwidth or RAM or CPU? |
| 06:50.33 | patrakov | vimpulse: yes, and other limited resources |
| 06:50.51 | cantido | patrakov: so instead of testing, you basically wait for it to explode and work backwards? |
| 06:51.08 | cantido | at which point your db etc is already corrupt |
| 06:51.10 | factor | cantido, maybe i need to recompile the kernel with this driver compiled in the kernel |
| 06:51.13 | vimpulse | dear all (but not cantido): is a monitoring system a reasonable way to help catch and squash intermittent, hard-to-find bugs? |
| 06:51.26 | vimpulse | cantido: no offense meant :) |
| 06:51.26 | cantido | factor: lspci doesnt care about drivers |
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| 06:51.40 | patrakov | cantido: this is in addition to testing. Before each deployment, I make a full backup of the db, and not all deployed things need the db. |
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| 06:51.58 | vimpulse | cantido: it's just that you already said your opinion, and I'm curious to hear others' opinions. |
| 06:52.05 | cantido | vimpulse: you should monitor, but that doesnt mean you cant write a test to catch stuff like an updating rows actually updating them |
| 06:52.31 | cantido | patrakov: do you have dev/production environments? |
| 06:52.53 | patrakov | yes, but the dev environment doesn't see production queries |
| 06:52.56 | vimpulse | patrakov: You want to catch and squash bugs using a monitoring system. Do you want to use it only to catch intermittent bugs, or also easy-to-reproduce bugs? |
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| 06:53.34 | patrakov | vimpulse: all bugs are easy to reproduce given a large stream of random queries. |
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| 06:54.00 | cantido | so you write a test that hits your new release with "random" queries |
| 06:54.21 | vimpulse | patrakov: does your company mainly sell software products? Could you please tell us what type of software products you sell? |
| 06:54.30 | patrakov | vimpulse: it's SaaS |
| 06:54.50 | vimpulse | patrakov: please describe the SaaS you provide to customers |
| 06:55.22 | vimpulse | cantido: please be gentle to patrakov: don't bite the new channel joiners. :) |
| 06:55.24 | patrakov | vimpulse: configurable web content filtering |
| 06:55.38 | cantido | bets clients are really happy with untested releases hahaha |
| 06:56.29 | patrakov | cantido: we do review the code and test the releases. But the test don't catch 100% of bugs. |
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| 06:56.45 | cantido | vimpulse: this sounds a lot like having a cronjob to restart a service every hour instead of fixing the bugs.. |
| 06:57.30 | cantido | patrakov: what sort of "bugs"? |
| 06:58.37 | patrakov | cantido: the last one was a wrong RewriteRule in apache config (that didn't properly rewrite requests with %0a%0a in them) |
| 06:58.42 | cantido | If someone writes a piece of code to do X they should be able to write a test that confirms it does X.. even better someone else should be able to write the test and it should work |
| 06:59.23 | patrakov | cantido: how would I know that the rule breaks on %0a%0a? we did test it using test URLs, but none happened to contain that substring |
| 06:59.35 | vimpulse | patrakov: note that if you would like a gentler channel for advice, there's also ##linux. :) |
| 07:00.08 | cantido | patrakov: a small issue like that is very different to trashing a databaser |
| 07:00.14 | factor | cantido, I think it is a bug in the debian stable Linux kernel, its finding it in bios bootup , but messes up after boot |
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| 07:00.22 | cantido | s/databaser/database/ |
| 07:00.44 | cantido | factor: try a backport of a new kernel maybe |
| 07:00.51 | factor | oldstable |
| 07:01.06 | cantido | factor: there should be a ton of info in dmesg about when the kernel probes stuff though |
| 07:01.15 | factor | cantido,is that what i put in my etc apt sources.list |
| 07:01.38 | factor | ton of erros with the eepro , non with the r8xx but both do not work |
| 07:01.41 | cantido | patrakov: this isn't really linux related.. this is software dev.. there are plently of books about release management |
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| 07:02.14 | cantido | factor: oldstable is the previous stable release |
| 07:02.26 | factor | ok i see how to do ackports now |
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| 07:02.29 | cantido | factor: you want an backported newer kernel |
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| 07:03.21 | factor | cantido, ok |
| 07:03.53 | cantido | you should paste the errors you are getting too |
| 07:04.04 | cantido | not here though, into pastebin |
| 07:04.14 | factor | I got it in picture in picture on my monitor |
| 07:04.18 | factor | cant cut and paste |
| 07:04.24 | factor | but ton o errors |
| 07:04.46 | cantido | dmesg > myfile and scp the file off of the machine? |
| 07:04.52 | factor | i will just try the back port thanks |
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| 07:16.40 | factor | I was like cool wireless installworked , but then tried using for accessing my router via direct lan and nothing. |
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| 07:27.11 | diverdude | How can i see on my server if any process, and which is listening to a specific port? |
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| 07:31.35 | bambanx | what good wysiwyg editor for html with ftp we have for linux guys? kompozer fail me to connect ftp |
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| 07:32.57 | omido | how do i find if a distro is based on which branch of debian |
| 07:32.58 | factor | cantido, I added back ports but I already have the 2.6 kernels. the 3.2 wont load due to dep problem |
| 07:33.14 | diverdude | how many ports are actually available in a computer and in a router? |
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| 07:33.35 | ongolaBoy | bambanx: is it possible for you to use an editor like gedit and transfer file with gftp for instance ? |
| 07:34.01 | bambanx | i wanna wysiwyg ongolaBoy |
| 07:34.15 | factor | cantido, Will try the 486 version |
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| 07:34.22 | factor | even thoug it is a 686 |
| 07:34.43 | cantido | factor: sorry, wasnt here.. |
| 07:34.52 | cantido | diverdude: the port field is 32bit IIRC |
| 07:34.54 | factor | if that dont work I am compiling my own driver withthe eth drivers compiled in |
| 07:35.06 | cantido | diverdude: actually maybe 16 hah |
| 07:35.06 | omido | how do i find if a distro is based on which branch of debian |
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| 07:35.41 | diverdude | cantido: also on a 64 bit machine? |
| 07:35.43 | cantido | diverdude: 16-bit unsigned port number (0-65535) |
| 07:35.49 | cantido | diverdude: its a TCP thing |
| 07:36.03 | cantido | diverdude: if different machines used different sizes then TCP wouldnt work |
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| 07:37.04 | cantido | factor: If its not coming up in lspci then a driver wont get attached to it.. |
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| 07:37.27 | diverdude | cantido: right,....and UDP also no? |
| 07:37.31 | factor | this has happened before I think, I have to compilethe driver in the kernel |
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| 07:37.48 | factor | just been years since I compiled for this machine |
| 07:38.14 | cantido | diverdude: both tcp and udp have an unsigned 16bit int for the port number |
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| 07:38.17 | factor | back when I never used debian kernels anyway , and had compiled my own |
| 07:38.30 | factor | now standard kernels are run of the mill |
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| 07:38.47 | cantido | factor: there is no point compiling kernels for x86 boxes |
| 07:39.16 | factor | if it gets my ethernet working then yes it is |
| 07:39.35 | factor | but correct for any of the newer ones |
| 07:39.53 | diverdude | cantido: i see...so i can set both tcp and udp to listen on e.g port 514? |
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| 07:40.01 | cantido | I've said it a few times.. if its not is lspci the kernel didnt see it when it probed the bus.. for example devices with no driver will still show in lspci |
| 07:40.11 | factor | we will see |
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| 07:40.35 | cantido | if a new kernel fixes some PCI weirdness on your machine it might work |
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| 07:41.00 | factor | will reboot the 486 version , and see then try compiling. |
| 07:41.03 | factor | afk |
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| 07:41.41 | omido | how do i find if a distro is based on which branch of debian? |
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| 07:42.11 | cantido | diverdude: yes |
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| 07:44.06 | vimpulse | omido: which distro? |
| 07:44.32 | omido | GNU/Linux Parsix |
| 07:44.44 | vimpulse | omido: cat /etc/debian* |
| 07:44.55 | vimpulse | omido: actually, better, head /etc/debian* |
| 07:44.58 | vimpulse | omido: what do you get? |
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| 07:45.34 | omido | head: cannot open `/etc/debian' for reading: No such file or directory |
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| 07:47.05 | n2o4 | Try /etc/debian_version |
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| 07:47.22 | BenNZ | omido: parsix is based on testing |
| 07:47.38 | omido | BenNZ: how can i switch to stable |
| 07:47.53 | cantido | omido: you mean switch parsix to debian? |
| 07:48.02 | omido | no. i want to make parsix stable |
| 07:48.04 | BenNZ | omido: not sure how their sources work sorry |
| 07:48.06 | omido | use stable repos |
| 07:48.11 | cantido | omido: this is #debian |
| 07:48.37 | omido | Parsix is debian. they say that its simply debian with a diffrent appset and support for persian language |
| 07:48.45 | BenNZ | omido: do they use their own repos or debians , but to see if they have their own channel, or ask in their forums |
| 07:49.00 | omido | The goverenment has blocked their website |
| 07:49.02 | cantido | what is a "different appset"? |
| 07:49.16 | omido | For example they use VLC instead of totem |
| 07:49.19 | omido | or things like that |
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| 07:49.25 | cantido | omido: both of those are in debian |
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| 07:49.58 | omido | I find it to be easier to use than the actual debian. parsix can prepare users to get their hands on debian |
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| 07:50.05 | danols | is it possible to utilze apt-get to create a virtual self contained environment ? kind of like virtualenv and pip ? except pip sucks balls |
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| 07:50.19 | cantido | danols: debootstrap? |
| 07:50.32 | cantido | danols: and then lxc or similar |
| 07:50.48 | danols | it is for self contained python websites |
| 07:50.52 | danols | common apapche though |
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| 07:50.55 | bambanx | damn linux dont have a decent wysiwyg editor ? |
| 07:50.56 | danols | and all the rest |
| 07:51.05 | danols | bambanx: openoffice |
| 07:51.18 | danols | cantido: do you think that will work? |
| 07:51.24 | cantido | omido: I'm not sure what is going to be easier than normal debian.. does normal debian not have persian language support? |
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| 07:51.44 | bambanx | danols, i mean for html css... |
| 07:51.58 | cantido | danols: how does the common apache link to the environments |
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| 07:52.34 | cantido | bambanx: there aren't any decent wysiwyg html/css/js editors because they all suck |
| 07:52.37 | omido | cantido: i'm having problems with normal debian.also i have a good feeling toward parsix as its created by fellow iranians and i can contact them in my own language.its also based on debian which is a big distro that respects free software |
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| 07:53.17 | cantido | omido: well, if they have stable repos you would use those.. but downgrading testing->stable in debian at least isnt a good idea |
| 07:53.45 | omido | cantido: I dont want my OS to be unstable .thats why i want to switch from testing to stable |
| 07:54.03 | cantido | omido: by unstable you mean crashing? |
| 07:54.05 | danols | cantido: just /etc/apache2/sites-avail |
| 07:54.10 | danols | cantido: through wsgi scripts |
| 07:54.40 | omido | cantido: yes . stability issues. fedora was a headache for me.sometimes made me beat myself |
| 07:54.42 | engla | omido: wheezy is in a maturing phase now, it should be pretty stable until the release of stable |
| 07:54.49 | cantido | danols: if the apache talks to something running in the contained environment via tcp it will work |
| 07:54.56 | cantido | danols: not sure how quick it will be |
| 07:55.25 | cantido | omido: testing/unstable in debian at least doesnt have any real connection to how much your machine crashes |
| 07:55.33 | cantido | omido: stable means that stuff doesnt change |
| 07:55.34 | danols | cantido: so it's like running a virtual debian withing a debian ? |
| 07:55.54 | cantido | danols: its like running another debian install but on the same kernel |
| 07:56.05 | danols | openvz style? |
| 07:56.18 | omido | cantido: I cannot use kernel 3.1 and newer because of some hardware related problems which i find my refrubished laptop to be faulty.thats why i prefer older kernel |
| 07:56.25 | cantido | danols: more like slightly better chroots |
| 07:56.31 | danols | i see |
| 07:56.35 | danols | not sure if that could work for me |
| 07:56.42 | danols | no it wouldn't hmm |
| 07:56.51 | cantido | danols: http://lxc.sourceforge.net/ |
| 07:57.04 | cantido | danols: what do you want to do? stop vhosts from seeing each other? |
| 07:57.23 | omido | brb |
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| 07:59.21 | danols | cantido: are you familiar with pip+virtualenv ? |
| 07:59.41 | danols | the idea of running self contained websites etc ? |
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| 08:00.11 | danols | pip install dependencies and stuff, but fails when it comes to anything outside of python land |
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| 08:00.33 | danols | apt-get would be more logical for something like that IF it was possible to say 'work' withing this directory only |
| 08:00.48 | cantido | danols: well, you can do that with a chroot |
| 08:01.24 | danols | cantido: can you clarify please ? |
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| 08:02.20 | cantido | danols: if you have a chroot, you can chroot into it and you are working in a directory |
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| 08:02.54 | cantido | danols: what I can see with this pip thing is that you are configuring the root for python stuff.. not the whole environment |
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| 08:04.40 | cantido | if pip can tell python where to look for stuff (or tell apache where to look for python).. you could tell it to use the chroot |
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| 08:07.22 | danols | that might be above me |
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| 08:07.44 | danols | thank you though |
| 08:08.58 | cantido | do you just want to have different versions of python things installed for your sites? |
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| 08:16.12 | skilz | I'm putting together some computers for small children and I was testing one with my daughter before but she kept pressing too many buttons at once and some how managed to press ctrl+alt+F*, how can I disable key combinations like that and ctrl+alt+del/bkspace in X so this doesnt happen? |
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| 08:17.43 | cantido | skilz: apparently there is an option DontZap that will turn it off |
| 08:17.55 | skilz | cantido, Where is that option? |
| 08:18.17 | skilz | Is it a file or application or what? |
| 08:18.32 | cantido | skilz: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/disable-ctrlaltbackspace-from-restarting-x-windows-on-linux/ |
| 08:18.43 | cantido | skilz: for debian you will probably need to create the xorg config file |
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| 08:19.59 | cantido | skilz: oh, its not in there anymore according to some ubuntu wiki page damn |
| 08:20.13 | skilz | So how can I do it? |
| 08:20.36 | cantido | skilz: which DE are you using? |
| 08:20.46 | skilz | fluxbox |
| 08:21.34 | skilz | and I have in the .fluxbox.startup file 'exec gcompris' So when the user logs in, X starts with gcompris |
| 08:22.03 | cantido | skilz: just reading through a debian bug about this.. |
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| 08:22.39 | cantido | skilz: /etc/default/keyboard |
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| 08:23.44 | cantido | skilz: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=567808 |
| 08:24.27 | cantido | it shoulds like the default is to not enable the zap shortcut |
| 08:24.32 | cantido | s/shoulds/sounds/ |
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| 08:41.40 | jeredepp | hello i got pound set up, and it's working fine, it even logs in a own logfile, but does anybody know how i can keep it from logging in my messages log? |
| 08:41.50 | jeredepp | pound = load balancing |
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| 08:42.52 | colo-work | jeredepp, you'll probably have to take proper care of your (r)syslogd configuration |
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| 08:43.11 | colo-work | since "messages" is rotated very often though, I don't really see your problem with that policy |
| 08:43.38 | jeredepp | colo-work: it's just not nice to log redundant i think |
| 08:43.58 | jeredepp | pound logs into messages by default |
| 08:44.23 | jeredepp | i mean the syslog |
| 08:44.26 | jeredepp | not messagelog |
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| 08:45.11 | colo-work | jeredepp, no, pound logs to syslog. facility "daemon". your syslog implementation, then, is configured to store these log messages in /var/log/messages, and probably at least one other file. |
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| 08:47.43 | jeredepp | aaaaaaaah |
| 08:47.53 | jeredepp | now i understand |
| 08:48.07 | jeredepp | thx |
| 08:48.11 | colo-work | you're welcome :) |
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| 08:55.14 | pleaz | hello, i install node with checkinstall and node -v i get -bash: /usr/bin/node: No such file or directory |
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| 08:56.53 | joar | pleaz: what is checkinstall? |
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| 08:58.45 | pleaz | it's create deb packets and install |
| 08:59.06 | joar | pleaz: What install prefix was used in the installation? |
| 08:59.29 | joar | Usually, node wants to live in ~/local/ |
| 08:59.55 | pleaz | i don't use prefix |
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| 09:00.24 | pleaz | tar -xzf node-v0.6.10.tar.gz |
| 09:00.31 | pleaz | cd node-v0.6.10 |
| 09:00.38 | pleaz | ./configure |
| 09:00.44 | babilen | !paste |
| 09:00.44 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
| 09:00.47 | joar | pleaz: could you try ls -l ~/local? :) |
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| 09:02.28 | pleaz | i don't have dir local |
| 09:02.39 | joar | all right. |
| 09:03.13 | skilz | Hey guys im in a bit of a pickle... I have a eMac which have Debian Linux on it, I am trying to install OS X Tiger on it but there is no volume to select to install to (guessing OS X can't read the linux partition) How Im guessing I have to put the debian cd back in and do what? |
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| 09:03.45 | joar | pleaz: Try asking the checkinstall- or node community for support. |
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| 09:05.13 | joar | skilz: This isn't a debian question, ask the OS X Tiger [oh wait...] community about it. |
| 09:05.14 | lapsusbrutus | got a 3x net.agent prosess using aruond 30% cpu |
| 09:05.16 | lapsusbrutus | hmm |
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| 09:06.11 | lapsusbrutus | on wheezy, pretty stock.. upgrading.. hope that fixes it. |
| 09:06.31 | skilz | joar, It IS a Debian question!!! Since I have to use the Debian disk to re-partition... |
| 09:06.45 | joar | skilz: I have no idea what OS X Tiger needs to install |
| 09:07.27 | joar | skilz: You're forcing your question into a frame in which it doesn't fit. |
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| 09:07.43 | joar | it's kind of the XY problem |
| 09:07.54 | joar | http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/66377/what-is-the-xy-problem |
| 09:08.11 | skilz | joar, It uses HFS |
| 09:08.22 | joar | Your real question is "How do I install OS X Tiger? What filesystem does it need to install?" |
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| 09:08.53 | joar | skilz: So you're assuming it need /any/ HFS partition? |
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| 09:09.15 | joar | then your question is "How do I create an HFS partition on Debian?" |
| 09:09.32 | joar | and for that, I'd try "GParted" |
| 09:09.39 | pleaz | maybe try make install? |
| 09:09.56 | joar | pleaz: yes, make install is a very good idea if you haven't already. |
| 09:10.00 | skilz | joar, Yes I need to create HFS+ filesystem on Debian |
| 09:10.15 | skilz | Do I load the install cd then go to a root prompt? |
| 09:10.19 | joar | skilz: check out of gparted may help you :) |
| 09:10.33 | joar | skilz: Do you know if it is a live CD? |
| 09:10.39 | skilz | no live cd |
| 09:10.42 | skilz | minimal |
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| 09:11.08 | joar | skilz: Oh, I wonder if that will help you at all without you installing it first. |
| 09:11.21 | joar | although, I don't know anything about the minimal CD |
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| 09:11.43 | skilz | So I need to reinstall debian using HFS+ |
| 09:11.47 | skilz | do a whole reinstall? |
| 09:11.53 | skilz | base-system reinstall |
| 09:11.56 | joar | hold on a minute |
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| 09:12.51 | skilz | Okay |
| 09:13.06 | joar | skilz: Have you loaded up the netinst CD? |
| 09:13.23 | babilen | skilz: We don't know what OSX expects and why it won't install. I recommend to ask in ##osx |
| 09:13.37 | skilz | Thanks, it's not my choice to remove Debian, my girlfriend wants it off |
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| 09:13.53 | colo-work | so get a new girlfriend! |
| 09:13.57 | colo-work | j/k ;) |
| 09:14.00 | skilz | babilen, I just need to repartition my HDD to HFS+ using the Debian CD |
| 09:14.00 | joar | babilen: We've narrowed it down to the task of creating an HFS+ partition using the netinst CD |
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| 09:15.02 | joar | so, what is the partitioning tool provided with the netinst CD? |
| 09:15.20 | joar | skilz: What version of Debian is loaded onto your CD? |
| 09:15.26 | babilen | skilz, joar: I've read the backlog and I am not convinced by that. If that turns out to be the case proceed, but I would verify that hunch first. Let me put it like this: You wouldn't ask in ##windows how to install Debian, just because it is installed on your computer. |
| 09:15.34 | skilz | Squeeze PPC Architecture |
| 09:16.09 | jelly-home | !ppc |
| 09:16.09 | dpkg | PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>, <ppc64>, <macsound>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
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| 09:16.30 | jelly-home | skilz: ^^ see those two channels |
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| 09:19.16 | joar | babilen: I too have read the backlog (I created half of it), and for now, the issue is only about HFS+ and debian netinst CDs. If there turns out to be additional issues relating to the installation process of OS X Tiger, of course that wouldn't be a Debian issue. |
| 09:19.17 | joar | skilz: Is there any graphical interface provided with your netinst CD? |
| 09:19.17 | joar | In that case, gparted would probably be installed |
| 09:19.17 | joar | actually, I have no idea what tools Debian use for partitioning. |
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| 09:20.59 | skilz | joar, Can I use gparted while my system is booted to repartition? IM thinking now |
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| 09:21.55 | joar | skilz: When you have booted to the live CD, you could. I don't know if it will work if you are repartitioning the partition you're currently using. |
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| 09:24.14 | pleaz | ./configure i have |
| 09:24.14 | pleaz | Checking for openssl : not found |
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| 09:24.31 | pleaz | openssl is installed |
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| 09:25.01 | pleaz | node-v0.6.10 |
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| 09:25.04 | jelly-home | pleaz: you need development packages to build things from source. |
| 09:25.06 | joar | install libopenssl-dev |
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| 09:25.53 | jelly-home | pleaz: "apt-cache search openssl development" will reveal, among other stuff, libssl-dev |
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| 09:27.40 | jelly-home | pleaz: you'll probably want build-essential installed as well |
| 09:27.52 | skilz | Guys I figured it out to use the Disk Utility :) |
| 09:28.12 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport nodejs |
| 09:28.13 | judd | Backporting package nodejs in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libv8-dev (>= 3.7), libssl-dev (>= 1.0.0g), libc-ares-dev (>= 1.7.5), openssl (>= 1.0.0g). |
| 09:28.13 | joar | skilz: \o/ |
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| 09:36.35 | SupYoshi | Hi does anyone here know whats the best way to create a dynamic MOTD? :) |
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| 09:37.53 | jelly-home | dynamic? |
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| 09:41.47 | SupYoshi | like |
| 09:41.53 | SupYoshi | I want to include a bash script in my MOTD |
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| 09:41.58 | SupYoshi | to call for info and show that at login ;) |
| 09:42.19 | SupYoshi | http://parkersamp.com/2010/10/howto-creating-a-dynamic-motd-in-linux/ this but it doesnt work so good with debian =/ |
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| 09:42.28 | gnarface | SupYoshi: i'd probably just make a cron script to update the motd periodically |
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| 09:43.44 | gnarface | SupYoshi: those instructions probably only fail because you're missing a package |
| 09:44.00 | SupYoshi | hehe |
| 09:44.03 | SupYoshi | oh :p |
| 09:44.18 | themill | Sticking some crap at the end of /etc/profile is hardly a "dynamic motd" |
| 09:44.33 | gnarface | pam scares me |
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| 09:48.19 | SupYoshi | hehe |
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| 09:48.44 | obgr_seneca | hi there, I'm trying to configure a samba server on debian squeeze |
| 09:48.57 | obgr_seneca | and my problem is, there's no init script |
| 09:49.22 | obgr_seneca | according to tutorials it should be /etc/init.d/smb or /etc/init.d/samba |
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| 09:50.34 | themill | obgr_seneca: correct, the samba package installs /etc/init.d/samba |
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| 09:52.00 | obgr_seneca | my bad, I forgot to install the samba package, just samba-common... |
| 09:52.05 | obgr_seneca | thax and sorry |
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| 09:54.12 | sephii | I'm having problems with a crappy vpn client I'm forced to use. It's modifying my default route to the one of the vpn so I can't connect to the internet while on the vpn but I'd like to only route traffic for specific destinations to the vpn |
| 09:55.03 | jeredepp | Is there a way to stick pound(loadbalancer) to a IP so one IP always gets served from one source? |
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| 09:55.36 | gnarface | sephii: does it correct the routes if you just change them after connecting? |
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| 09:56.30 | jelly-home | sephii: which crappy vpn client is it? |
| 09:56.39 | gnarface | jeredepp: your question confuses me but i'm gonna guess no |
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| 09:57.15 | sephii | jelly-home: juniper something, it has a java applet which doesn't even work on 64 bit systems |
| 09:57.59 | sephii | gnarface: how should I do that? route add default mygateway? |
| 09:58.04 | jelly-home | sephii: is there anything stopping you from reestablishing old default route after the change? |
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| 09:59.09 | sephii | jelly-home: yes, my lack of knowledge about routes :) |
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| 09:59.41 | gnarface | sephii: you'd probably have to make a couple edits, but for anyone to speculate they'd have to see you're existing routes. |
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| 10:00.54 | gnarface | sephii: i think the general idea of what you want to do is make sure to restore your former default gateway and replace any other rules that route all traffic through the vpn with rules that only route relevant traffic through the vpn |
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| 10:01.10 | sephii | gnarface: http://paste.debian.net/156617/ here's my current route, I'll do another one while on the vpn |
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| 10:02.49 | gnarface | sephii: that route looks weird to me |
| 10:03.28 | gnarface | sephii: specifically, i don't recognize this: link-local * 255.255.0.0 U 1000 0 0 eth0 |
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| 10:05.28 | sephii | gnarface: i have to clue about that, i don't know what set this |
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| 10:06.04 | gnarface | sephii: if you're having problems with the client, it could be left over from a failed connection or failed/incomplete disconnection... |
| 10:06.22 | sephii | gnarface: here's the paste when connected on the vpn: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/3c641827/ |
| 10:06.25 | gnarface | sephii: or you could just have a network topology i'm unfamiliar with |
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| 10:06.50 | sephii | gnarface: I have really nothing special in my network |
| 10:06.54 | gnarface | sephii: yea so basically the problem is you have two defaults here |
| 10:07.02 | gnarface | sephii: so the first one is just getting chosen |
| 10:07.13 | jelly-home | sephii: add a -n parameter to the route command to avoid the dns resolving and broken names showed |
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| 10:07.25 | jelly-home | or use "ip route" instead |
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| 10:08.05 | jelly-home | gnarface: the one with lower metric gets chosen. |
| 10:08.16 | sephii | so the link-local thing is a 169.254 address so that must be for an interface that wasn't able to get an ip right? |
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| 10:08.48 | gnarface | sephii: sounds plausible, if you're on a windows box |
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| 10:08.54 | jelly-home | sephii: avahi services set up that 169.254.* address, you can ignore it |
| 10:09.05 | gnarface | heh or are running avahi |
| 10:09.13 | jelly-home | Debian has avahi installed by default |
| 10:09.21 | sephii | so if I add a route to the ip range I want to be routed through the vpn (172.x) and I lower the metric value of the default route to my gateway it should work? |
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| 10:10.15 | gnarface | uh... |
| 10:10.25 | jelly-home | sephii: probably 172.16/12 (172.16.0.0 with netmask 255.240.0.0), not the whole of 172.* |
| 10:10.47 | jelly-home | sephii: and yes. Or just remove the new default route completely |
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| 10:11.26 | sephii | jelly-home: right, I'll try that |
| 10:11.42 | sephii | thanks jelly-home gnarface |
| 10:11.52 | jelly-home | (why 172.16/12? RFC1918) |
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| 10:12.38 | gnarface | also, RFC1925, very relevant |
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| 10:12.49 | ksk | hey guys. i got a question regarding the bind9 service/package: if theres some uptime on the machine the init script just fails to stop bind for a looong time ("waiting for pid $PID to die ...."). but there is no load or heavy querys on that server. any idea whats wrong? |
| 10:12.52 | gnarface | always relevant |
| 10:12.53 | ksk | have to kill -9 it :/ |
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| 10:19.01 | CXIV | Is there any official debian installation image for usb drives? |
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| 10:19.40 | gnarface | CXIV: no, you don't need one any more as of squeeze you just use the cd image, unless of course you mean you want a live cd, in which case i think you can just use the live image |
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| 10:20.17 | CXIV | gnarface But if I use normal installer then it will write grub on my sda :D |
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| 10:20.22 | antismap | hi ho |
| 10:20.48 | gnarface | CXIV: at least in expert mode it actually will not, unless you ask it to, FYI |
| 10:20.55 | NishaKitty | does anyone know how to make amarok/juk play a freaking mp4 and I mean files with the extension .mp4 renaming them to m4a makes them work but I don't want to rename them all |
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| 10:21.12 | gnarface | CXIV: you probably want debian live though |
| 10:21.32 | CXIV | gnarface I want to install debian on usb drive |
| 10:22.10 | CXIV | I will install in expert mode |
| 10:22.26 | gnarface | CXIV: good luck |
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| 10:36.02 | sephii | damn vpn client |
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| 10:36.13 | sephii | when I deleted the route it created it again |
| 10:36.25 | sephii | I had to add a route with a lower metric to my default gateway and it worked |
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| 10:42.50 | calculon | hi everyone |
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| 10:43.52 | calculon | which package is for minimal kde install in debian stable? |
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| 10:45.57 | calculon | which package is for minimal kde install in debian stable? |
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| 10:47.02 | gnarface | thanks calbasi |
| 10:47.05 | gnarface | i mean thanks calculon |
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| 10:47.31 | gnarface | nevermind both of you, calculon, calbasi... i gotta stop huffing glue |
| 10:47.33 | calculon | for what? |
| 10:47.39 | fiRepath | aptitude install kde-core |
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| 10:48.14 | calculon | 369 mb? |
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| 10:48.34 | calculon | I ma not sure that is minimal install |
| 10:48.47 | themill | dpkg: tell calculon about install kde |
| 10:48.54 | lzskiss | yo |
| 10:49.06 | lzskiss | anybody can help me? |
| 10:49.19 | vibhav | lzskiss: yes? |
| 10:49.21 | lzskiss | i would like to make zopr deb packages from source |
| 10:49.27 | themill | calculon: remember that installing kde installs a ton of libraries at once but that means that each successive application is much smaller. |
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| 10:49.42 | lapsusbrutus | how to create a live usb disk? dd if=/dev/cdrom0 of=/dev/sdf ? |
| 10:49.59 | lzskiss | vibhav, i have the source .tar.gz and i think all needed tool |
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| 10:50.12 | lzskiss | vibhav, what is the next step |
| 10:50.12 | lzskiss | ? |
| 10:50.23 | calculon | ok |
| 10:50.30 | lzskiss | i readed the wikis but isnt workin any method that i can finded |
| 10:50.44 | vibhav | lzskiss: DO you want to create a deb package? |
| 10:51.09 | Innocentus | calculon: you can install the kde without recommends |
| 10:51.11 | lzskiss | vibhav, yep for zorp 3.9.3 |
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| 10:51.24 | lzskiss | on debian 6.0 amd64 |
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| 10:51.41 | themill | lzskiss: you either make a proper package (/msg dpkg nmg) or you make some hacky thing and hope that it works well enough (/msg dpkg checkinstall) |
| 10:51.45 | Innocentus | calculon: and you could use a different desktop than kde |
| 10:51.53 | vibhav | lzskiss: It might seem stupid , but does the source have the 'configure' script? |
| 10:52.14 | lzskiss | in the source package i can find the debian subdirectory |
| 10:52.27 | calculon | I am using fluxbox. And did not install kde much time |
| 10:52.32 | lzskiss | how can i usin this for the deb package making? |
| 10:52.51 | lzskiss | vibhav, the ./configure make make install isnt workin well |
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| 10:53.34 | vibhav | lzskiss: Pastebin the output of ./configure |
| 10:54.29 | lzskiss | moment |
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| 11:04.37 | Innocentus | I try to set a root password to the newly installed mysql server |
| 11:04.40 | Innocentus | but how |
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| 11:05.36 | shingouz | heh.... looks like my trusty sarge netinstall cd does not want to install anything useable anymore... maybe it is time to get a new install cd |
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| 11:14.36 | jubo2 | shukran shukran debian devels |
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| 11:15.07 | dougmencken | test |
| 11:15.12 | dougmencken | nice, I can send to this channel |
| 11:15.21 | jubo2 | J'aime beaucoup cet système d'exploitation |
| 11:15.25 | dougmencken | how to get dget and debuild packages? |
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| 11:15.39 | dougmencken | maintainer asked me to build .dsc |
| 11:16.07 | petemc | install devscripts |
| 11:16.30 | dougmencken | petemc: wow, this one does exist |
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| 11:16.42 | dougmencken | (there's no dget and devuild packages) |
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| 11:16.49 | petemc | they're commands |
| 11:17.04 | dougmencken | petemc: okay, thanks |
| 11:17.04 | siyb_ | hi, how risky is it to call tune2fs -m on a partition that is in use (and therefore full of data). i am guessing, that there is a minor risk (blackout during change, etc) but in general i should be save, right? |
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| 11:17.57 | dougmencken | siyb_: do you want to Adjust the number of mounts after which the filesystem will be checked by e2fsck(8)? |
| 11:18.42 | siyb_ | dougmencken: nope i want to adjust the ratio of priviledged space |
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| 11:19.06 | dougmencken | something very fs-specific is in man tune2fs :) |
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| 11:20.33 | siyb | dougmencken: well it doesn't mention anything in the -m section, that's where i checked first |
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| 11:21.42 | petemc | siyb: generally you dont want to be using tune2fs on mounted filesystems |
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| 11:22.37 | siyb | petemc: unmounting wouldn't be a problem, i was just wondering if the -m parameter may endanger my data |
| 11:22.52 | petemc | ive used it safely in the past |
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| 11:22.59 | petemc | thats anecdotal, of course |
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| 11:26.45 | pleaz | installing nodejs, when use make: warning: Ignoring missing SConscript 'obj/test/release/SConscript'File "/root/node-v0.6.10/deps/v8/SConstruct", line 1475, in BuildSpecific |
| 11:27.23 | pleaz | it's serious error? |
| 11:27.41 | nkuttler | pleaz: a warning isn't an error |
| 11:29.03 | dougmencken | oh, debuild doesn't like -j# for make |
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| 11:29.54 | pleaz | what is -j? |
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| 11:30.07 | dougmencken | pleaz: to use not only single cpu |
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| 11:30.22 | dougmencken | for example, make -j8 will build using on all 8 cpus x cores |
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| 11:32.46 | dougmencken | so... that's how debian guys make all these .deb packages we install with apt-get? nice :) |
| 11:33.49 | pleaz | from sid? |
| 11:34.03 | dougmencken | I'm on sid, yes |
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| 11:36.46 | pleaz | wow sid update version nodejs to 0.6.10 |
| 11:37.10 | dougmencken | what's ``nodejs''? |
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| 11:38.02 | pleaz | ?? |
| 11:38.19 | pleaz | http://packages.debian.org/sid/nodejs |
| 11:38.57 | dougmencken | event-based server-side javascript engine o_O |
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| 11:39.55 | dougmencken | I don't like the list of supported architectures for that nodejs package |
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| 11:41.03 | dougmencken | whould this became some tendency? |
| 11:41.12 | pleaz | what packet you install? |
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| 11:41.55 | dougmencken | pleaz: looks like you miss me with somebody ;) |
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| 11:43.14 | pleaz | no, you not install node.js? |
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| 11:45.36 | dougmencken | pleaz: no, I don't even have a web server on this machine |
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| 11:52.29 | cccc828 | I have a question about unattended updates: When using stable, how high is the risk of breaking something? In what ways could such an automatic update go wrong? |
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| 11:53.31 | dougmencken | cccc828: I use unstable for 3 years, I haven't ever met anything serious |
| 11:53.51 | cccc828 | what do you mean by anything? :) |
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| 11:54.30 | dougmencken | cccc828: maybe single package (like I'm trying to help on now), maybe one-day broken package deps |
| 11:55.22 | cccc828 | My problem is this: I care for ~30 production systems and what to update them as soon as possible but at the same time cannot risk downtime due to a botched update |
| 11:55.30 | cccc828 | *what=want |
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| 11:56.04 | cccc828 | currently I set up nagios to tell me when updates are available and install them by hand |
| 11:56.05 | dougmencken | cccc828: for production system, if anything works, leave it; or update by nights |
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| 11:57.16 | cccc828 | heh ok |
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| 11:58.08 | cccc828 | I mean updating does not take too long, but I dislike that sytems are unpatched for some time (from patch realase to me being in office) |
| 11:58.13 | cccc828 | especially over weekends |
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| 11:59.26 | no_gravity | Hello! I lately switched from Ubuntu to Debian and I still try to find out about the differences of the two systems. For example, under Ubuntu I can do "less some_file.gz" and less magically opens the compressed file. Under Debian it complaints its a binary file. Where does this difference come from and how would I tell debians less to open gz files? |
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| 12:00.47 | dougmencken | no_gravity: the magic thing is lesspipe.sh |
| 12:00.57 | dougmencken | no_gravity: I can give you mine :) |
| 12:01.12 | no_gravity | dougmencken: what is lesspipe.sh? |
| 12:02.17 | dougmencken | no_gravity: http://sourceforge.net/projects/lesspipe/ |
| 12:02.34 | petemc | eval lesspipe |
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| 12:03.02 | no_gravity | dougmencken: so, "apt-get install lesspipe"? |
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| 12:03.21 | dougmencken | no_gravity: apt-cache search lesspipe shows only `less' package |
| 12:03.30 | petemc | just run the command "eval lesspipe" |
| 12:03.49 | no_gravity | petemc: i did. it gives me two lines. what does "eval" do? |
| 12:04.03 | petemc | help eval |
| 12:04.07 | dougmencken | eval is a shell builtin o_O |
| 12:04.27 | dougmencken | ah, it's $() |
| 12:04.27 | no_gravity | im completely lost |
| 12:04.36 | no_gravity | this goes over my head |
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| 12:05.07 | petemc | oops, it should be eval $(lesspipe) |
| 12:05.10 | petemc | my mistake |
| 12:05.23 | no_gravity | petemc: what will that do? |
| 12:05.38 | dougmencken | no_gravity: execute these two lines |
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| 12:05.56 | dougmencken | no_gravity: so less will know where to seek for lesspipe |
| 12:06.19 | dougmencken | btw, I never used LESSCLOSE by myself |
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| 12:07.26 | no_gravity | dougmencken: execute them everytime i run less? |
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| 12:08.36 | dougmencken | no_gravity: no_gravity: well, once per shell actually, but you can edit .bashrc |
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| 12:09.03 | no_gravity | dougmencken: and in ubuntu i dont have to do it because they put it into .bashrc by default? |
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| 12:09.14 | dougmencken | maybe |
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| 12:10.27 | no_gravity | and why is the lesspipe stuff there in the first place if it has no impact? |
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| 12:10.57 | dougmencken | no_gravity: maybe because debian guys don't use it by themselves? ;) |
| 12:11.02 | dougmencken | I dunno |
| 12:11.34 | no_gravity | they put it into the system for other distros? |
| 12:11.35 | dougmencken | list contents of ISO files (CD images) << o_O |
| 12:11.38 | rdz | hi all. I need a live cd that runs on a PowerMac PPC. Does Debian have something like that? |
| 12:11.49 | dougmencken | rdz: hello, you're mine |
| 12:12.05 | dougmencken | rdz: the only LiveCD for PowerPC is finnix |
| 12:12.33 | rdz | dougmencken, is it also a linux? I mainly need the 'dd' command |
| 12:12.37 | dougmencken | http://wwww.finnix.org ; it's based on debian testing, and has no x.org by default |
| 12:12.48 | rdz | dougmencken, great! many thanks |
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| 12:12.57 | rdz | dougmencken, i don't need no Xo |
| 12:13.01 | dougmencken | rdz: then it's the cd for you, version 104 has been released on feb 14 :) |
| 12:13.01 | rdz | *X |
| 12:13.06 | no_gravity | dougmencken: i want one that runs on my ipad |
| 12:13.16 | rdz | no_gravity, ;-)) |
| 12:13.54 | dougmencken | iPad has ARM, right? I dunno does any ARM livecd exist at this time |
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| 12:15.59 | no_gravity | dougmencken: additionally, the ipad has no cd drive |
| 12:16.30 | hmax | dougmencken: there is a nebian netinst for arm |
| 12:16.33 | no_gravity | also i dont know if its booting at all. i never saw it do anything like that. |
| 12:16.33 | dougmencken | no_gravity: can it use usb flash devices and boot off them? |
| 12:16.38 | hmax | *debian |
| 12:17.06 | dougmencken | hmax: netinst isn't "live" system, afaik |
| 12:17.25 | no_gravity | dougmencken: it has no drive or connectors for anything. |
| 12:17.52 | dougmencken | no_gravity: eeehm... how they do download stuff and copy music/video/whatever_they_do_on_ipads then? |
| 12:17.57 | no_gravity | dougmencken: and the hardware is probably set up in a way that it only boots from cryptographically signed media. if it boots at all. |
| 12:18.03 | no_gravity | dougmencken: they dont |
| 12:18.10 | hmax | dougmencken: you can install to a small flash, but good luck doing amything useful with it on the ipad |
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| 12:18.34 | no_gravity | hmax: you can put a flash drive into the ipad? |
| 12:18.43 | dougmencken | no_gravity: looks like me nor you have iPad :) |
| 12:19.13 | dougmencken | I'd buy some ARM desktop, if I can find any |
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| 12:19.36 | hmax | dougmencken: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpw1lrA__h0 |
| 12:19.37 | no_gravity | dougmencken: i have one |
| 12:19.55 | dougmencken | no_gravity: ARM *desktop*? workstation? |
| 12:20.01 | no_gravity | dougmencken: ipad |
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| 12:20.16 | dougmencken | that's tablet, nettop |
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| 12:20.41 | dougmencken | no_gravity: ah okay, and doesn't it really have any connection to "the outside", only wireless networking? |
| 12:20.41 | hmax | dougmencken: why the ipad specifically? |
| 12:20.53 | kripz | which programs are not in debian kfreebsd that are in normal debian? |
| 12:21.07 | no_gravity | hmax: why i have it or why i want debian on it? |
| 12:21.12 | dougmencken | kripz: linux kernel, for example :) |
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| 12:21.46 | dougmencken | kripz: module-init-tools maybe |
| 12:21.52 | hmax | dougmencken: no_gravity: the ipad bootstraps from a ROM. You cannot install to it unless you have a hack to interrupt that bootstrap process. |
| 12:22.14 | dougmencken | 'll never buy such thing then |
| 12:23.04 | hmax | dougmencken: Good call. They are bad software embedded in good hardware == a crying shame. |
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| 12:23.46 | dougmencken | which systems are used to build ARM stuff for Debian? |
| 12:23.49 | BenNZ | im trying to chroot into another os , the chroot works fine , i run Xnest -ac :1 on debian and export DISPLAY=localhost:1 in the chroot , but when i try and run the window manager i get Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display "localhost:1". can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 12:24.18 | hmax | dougmencken: arduino systems. |
| 12:24.30 | no_gravity | hmax: exactly. the most amazing hardware in years. but i cannot do full disk encryption, set up ssh tunnels, download files to it etc etc. |
| 12:25.10 | hmax | no_gravity: give it time. |
| 12:25.16 | no_gravity | hmax: sure |
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| 12:26.43 | dougmencken | by the way... nobody will use non-flashable old-world ROM chips today, so it must be at least flashable and re-programmable |
| 12:27.37 | hmax | dougmencken: tell that to apple. |
| 12:28.14 | hmax | dougmencken: watch the video I posted earlier. |
| 12:28.34 | dougmencken | youtube's one? okay |
| 12:28.47 | hmax | dougmencken: correct. |
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| 12:30.15 | dougmencken | 51 minutes long! o_O |
| 12:30.35 | dougmencken | I remember youtube only allowed 10 mins max, to "stop piracy" and so |
| 12:30.49 | dougmencken | looks like they've changed their mind |
| 12:30.59 | Coornail | it was a long time ago |
| 12:31.22 | dougmencken | 2 years max... a long... oh :) |
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| 12:32.31 | Coornail | 2 years in it nowadays is a long time =) |
| 12:34.02 | dougmencken | yep, a cat can produce ~40 kittens in 2 years, and each of these female kitty can produce ~30 in 1,5 years, and so on :) |
| 12:34.43 | colo-work | yaaaaay, bury me in a tiny kitteh avalanche! \o/ |
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| 12:36.33 | dougmencken | colo-work: for rabbits, it's much more |
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| 12:37.31 | colo-work | so bury me in an avalanche consitsing of tiny little baby rabbits then, yaaaay \o/ |
| 12:37.32 | dougmencken | also, the entire life for a fly is only ~3 months, so yep, I agree, 2 years is a long time |
| 12:39.20 | dougmencken | dpkg-shlibdeps: error: no dependency information found for /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 (used by debian/abiword/usr/lib/powerpc-linux-gnu/abiword-2.9/plugins/s5.so). |
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| 12:39.30 | dougmencken | does somebody know how to fix that? |
| 12:39.49 | dougmencken | I can't even locate a package for libglib |
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| 12:40.05 | dougmencken | apt-file search /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 and apt-file search /usr/lib/powerpc-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0 gives me nothing |
| 12:40.45 | dougmencken | found it, libglib2.0-dev |
| 12:41.19 | dougmencken | why are .so in -dev? I supposed -dev is for headers |
| 12:41.44 | gnarface | dougmencken: is it just a symlink? |
| 12:42.04 | dougmencken | gnarface: to .so.0, yep |
| 12:42.41 | dougmencken | i.e. .s0 --> .so.0 |
| 12:43.29 | rdz | dougmencken, when booting into finnix, i get: invalid memory access. Do you think that it related to RAM or the image ? |
| 12:43.50 | dougmencken | rdz: when exactly? |
| 12:44.06 | dougmencken | rdz: is kernel loaded? |
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| 12:44.40 | dougmencken | rdz: also, don't try to boot 32-bit kernel on a 64-bit machine, I just impossible ;) |
| 12:44.53 | dougmencken | use linux64 on yaboot prompt then |
| 12:45.08 | dougmencken | s/I just/it's just/ |
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| 12:46.24 | rdz | dougmencken, aaaah |
| 12:46.37 | dougmencken | rdz: which type of ppc machine do you have? |
| 12:46.38 | rdz | it's a G5.. don't know whether it is 64bit or 32bit |
| 12:46.50 | dougmencken | rdz: G5 is ppc970, it's 64-bit |
| 12:47.01 | rdz | dougmencken, thanks.. i'll try again |
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| 12:48.35 | dougmencken | btw, as I heard, x86_64 machines *can* boot 32-bit kernel, is it right? |
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| 12:48.48 | dougmencken | and if yes, how do they do it then? |
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| 12:49.35 | CraHan | Hi, I'm trying to use preseed.cfg, but with 6.0.4 there's still popup 'configure the package manager' requesting if I want to add a mirror which I need to accept. What's the preseed.cfg entry that accepts this dialog? |
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| 12:50.01 | hmax | dougmencken: obviously 32 bits fit within a 64 bit address space ;-) |
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| 12:50.22 | colo-work | dougmencken, of course they can. long mode is an upgrade from protected mode, just like protected mode is an upgrade from real mode on x86. |
| 12:50.36 | dougmencken | hmax: but the 64-bit kernelspace (privileged mode commands) like segment register setup, memory mapping, and so... |
| 12:50.45 | gnarface | dougmencken: its a special feature of amd64 hardware (most the 64-bit hardware you know of that is not SPARC), which is not to be confused with ia64 hardware (Itanium)... x86_64 is a confusingly ambiguous general term you should avoid |
| 12:51.30 | dougmencken | gnarface: most the 64-bit hardware I know is POWER and PowerPC :) |
| 12:51.52 | colo-work | gnarface, uh? how is x86_64 ambiguous? |
| 12:51.52 | dougmencken | never even saw IA-64 machine, sadly |
| 12:52.04 | gnarface | dougmencken: not to be confused with it either. this is a special 32-bit compatibility layer built directly into the hardware in a way that everyone though was impossible before AMD did it |
| 12:52.10 | nand` | libpng vulnerability: http://packetstormsecurity.org/files/109822/Secunia-Security-Advisory-48026.html |
| 12:52.20 | hmax | dougmencken: I'm running one. |
| 12:52.22 | rdz | dougmencken, thanks a lot. it's able to load the kernel now.... |
| 12:52.51 | gnarface | colo-work: its not a debian arch |
| 12:53.04 | rdz | dougmencken, yeah.. i assumed the 32bit version will work anyway, because i'm used to run 32bit systems on 64bit architectures.. |
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| 12:53.30 | colo-work | gnarface, I know, but x86_64 and amd64 (and Intel 64, or whatever they call it these days) are perfectly equivalent. |
| 12:53.56 | dougmencken | rdz: but not kernels, for userspace it doesn't matter much, non-privileged ppc32 commands are just a subset of ppc64 non-privileged ones |
| 12:54.05 | dougmencken | colo-work: there's also em64t :) |
| 12:54.31 | colo-work | dougmencken, which is "Intel 64"'s previous marketing name, if I'm not mistaken. it's a synonym of amd64/x86_64 for sure. |
| 12:54.34 | dougmencken | but when I do hear **x64**... aaaaargh |
| 12:54.46 | colo-work | yeah, I afree. cannot stand that either ;) |
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| 12:55.41 | dougmencken | x86 is 80364 and compatibles :) |
| 12:55.41 | dougmencken | x64, I mean :) |
| 12:55.43 | gnarface | colo-work: the point is its NOT equivalent to Itanium, which has no 32-bit compatibility layer and does not work with the debian amd64 port |
| 12:55.47 | dougmencken | but even Wikipedia accepted "x64" |
| 12:56.21 | colo-work | gnarface, noone labels 64bit Itanium (IA64) as x86_64, however. |
| 12:56.23 | dougmencken | gnarface: Itanium was (?) great, I liked the idea they be in next generation desktops |
| 12:56.28 | colo-work | because Itaniums are not x86 compatible |
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| 12:56.59 | gnarface | colo-work: nobody obviously but its nonetheless a common beginner's mistake to pick the wrong debian port due to the ambiguity of the names |
| 12:57.15 | colo-work | granted, yes |
| 12:57.24 | dougmencken | instead, they made a fully-complatible with 20-yo legacy architecture x86 bytecode interpreter machine |
| 12:57.30 | gnarface | dougmencken: last i heard officially end of lifed |
| 12:57.37 | colo-work | but that argumnt also supports dropping the "amd64" name in favour of "x86_64", don't you think? :) |
| 12:57.40 | dougmencken | oh, sad |
| 12:58.10 | dougmencken | prefers x86_32, x86_64, powerpc32, powerpc64, etc. |
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| 12:58.28 | dougmencken | currently, it looks like "32" is the default :) |
| 12:58.35 | dougmencken | so can be omitted |
| 12:58.49 | hmax | windowsers didn't have much software to run on true 64 bit itanium. |
| 12:59.27 | dougmencken | hmax: heh, do you know what Apple did? they completely changed cpu architecture 2 times |
| 12:59.36 | gnarface | colo-work: no, i don't think so. i think the amd64 moniker is perfectly descriptive of the architecture, regardless of the brand the hardware came from. i'm not 100% sure you actually realize i'm speaking about debian terminology here specifically, not de-facto consumer standards |
| 12:59.47 | dougmencken | and proprietary softmakers re-comiped all their stuff |
| 13:00.07 | hmax | I know. |
| 13:00.26 | dougmencken | hmax: so it wouldn't be so hard even for windows software, I bet |
| 13:00.51 | dougmencken | but the weight of windows was bigger than weight of EPIC VLIW architecture introduced in 2004 |
| 13:00.58 | hmax | dougmencken: Maybe they were scared we would recompile and GNU their software before they could? |
| 13:01.14 | dougmencken | hmax: obviously ;) |
| 13:01.43 | hmax | dougmencken: actually, that's not a bad idea. |
| 13:01.48 | colo-work | gnarface, if you want to avoid newbies in this channel and elsewhere to come ask what Debian release they need to install on their Intel x86_64 box, because they do not know that "amd64" is the proper (initial) name for that arch ("But I don't even have an AMD processor!!"), then you'll have to compromise, I guess ;) |
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| 13:02.42 | gnarface | colo-work: how would replacing amd64 with x86_64 fix that? |
| 13:02.53 | dougmencken | they want x64 :) |
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| 13:03.56 | dougmencken | btw, somebody really came here to ask which debian to download, amd64 or x86? |
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| 13:05.04 | dougmencken | meanwhile, apt-get install --reinstall libglib2.0-dev solved my issue |
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| 13:05.32 | Innocentus | Hi |
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| 13:05.50 | An_Ony_Moose | None of the other OSes installed on my computer are being detected by os-prober when running update-grub - it only says "No volume groups found" (I also tried running os-prober seperately). I have windows xp and ubuntu on other partitions/disks though. Could anyone help me make it work correctly? |
| 13:06.05 | Innocentus | How can I set a root password for a newly installed mysql server? |
| 13:07.09 | CraHan | Looks like the automatic install waits at the 'scan additional CD's" step. Is it something specific for Debian 6.0.4? Because the same preseed.cfg file worked fine with 6.0.3 |
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| 13:10.06 | dougmencken | Innocentus: google, 1st link - http://www.idevelopment.info/data/MySQL/DBA_tips/Security/SEC_2.shtml |
| 13:10.24 | Innocentus | dougmencken: well, thank you. but ... |
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| 13:10.57 | An_Ony_Moose | oooooh unmounting the partitions fixed it. Never mind :D |
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| 13:12.42 | karlpinc | An_Ony_Moose: That's interesting. I wonder why. |
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| 13:14.05 | karlpinc | Innocentus: You might try the readmes in /usr/share/doc/mysql*/ There's also something in the mysql docs at mysql.com, although I always have to use google to find the docs. The mysql.com home page sucks. |
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| 13:14.18 | An_Ony_Moose | karlpinc: good question. Should be considered a bug really IMO, it is possible that users will have their other-OS partitions mounted while updating grub... right? Should I file a bug |
| 13:14.31 | Innocentus | right |
| 13:14.40 | karlpinc | An_Ony_Moose: Sure. |
| 13:14.47 | Innocentus | I ask myself why the standard mysql debian installation needs a manual root password set |
| 13:14.57 | An_Ony_Moose | ok will do :D |
| 13:15.13 | pleaz | help, when i start node server.js i have Error: require.paths is removed. Use node_modules folders, or the NODE_PATH environment variable instead. |
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| 13:15.44 | Twinkletoes | I don't permit root logins to my servers, but I want to do quite a bit of rsync'ing between them... but I'm going to run into problems when I Can't read certain files because of the user I'm running the rsync command as |
| 13:15.46 | karlpinc | Innocentus: (And, if you're not required to use mysql postgresql will probably serve you better. I can't understand why anyone would consider mysql free, since the docs are not free and available only from mysql and a db is useless without docs. Anyway, postgresql is just plain better.) |
| 13:15.55 | Twinkletoes | Is there an easy way around this, or do I have to enable root login? |
| 13:16.02 | themill | dpkg: tell Innocentus about mysql initial password |
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| 13:16.24 | An_Ony_Moose | Twinkletoes: changing the file permissions? |
| 13:16.37 | Twinkletoes | An_Ony_Moose: I can't do that |
| 13:16.50 | karlpinc | Twinkletoes: file a bug |
| 13:16.51 | karlpinc | 07:14:31 < Innocentus> right |
| 13:16.56 | karlpinc | oops |
| 13:17.29 | themill | Twinkletoes: you can allow only certain keys to do certain things from certain IPs: http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/rootrsync might help |
| 13:17.34 | karlpinc | Twinkletoes: PermitRootLogin without-password Then use public/private keys in /root/.ssh/authorized_keys, preferably with nopty,command= |
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| 13:17.53 | Twinkletoes | karlpinc: themill thank you |
| 13:17.54 | themill | using forced-commands-only is even better |
| 13:18.10 | karlpinc | agreed |
| 13:18.15 | themill | (and using the key to restrict what that forced command is allowed to be |
| 13:21.03 | dougmencken | dpkg: tell dougmencken about meaning of life |
| 13:21.14 | dougmencken | heh |
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| 13:21.58 | abrotman | dougmencken: stop playing with the bot |
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| 13:22.35 | colo-work | dpkg: tell abrotman about the fact that you do not want to stop playing |
| 13:22.59 | themill | colo-work: less feeding the trolls is appreciated. kthnxbye |
| 13:23.04 | dougmencken | oh, the same company from OFTC: themill, abrotman... they'd like to ban you |
| 13:23.10 | dougmencken | for the reason they don't like you |
| 13:23.12 | shingouz | ...and people still want to play with the bots... :) |
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| 13:23.39 | Ticho | oh the irc drama |
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| 13:26.31 | bureq | anyone knows how to install lsblk for debian? It looks it didn't come with my util-linux |
| 13:27.30 | abrotman | bureq: did you search with apt-file ? |
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| 13:29.34 | babilen | bureq: … as in 'apt-file search -x "bin/lsblk$"' |
| 13:29.38 | bureq | yeah, I did not found |
| 13:30.00 | abrotman | judd: file lsblk --release squeeze |
| 13:30.04 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 13:30.11 | abrotman | judd: file lsblk --release sid |
| 13:30.16 | judd | Search for lsblk in sid/i386: util-linux: bin/lsblk |
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| 13:30.33 | abrotman | bureq: so it' snot in squeeze .. and backporting that package probably isn't a great idea |
| 13:30.54 | bureq | gotcha |
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| 13:37.50 | Innocentus | themill: error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)' |
| 13:38.05 | Innocentus | themill: /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
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| 13:38.22 | buhman | ,f |
| 13:38.29 | buhman | ,version |
| 13:38.31 | judd | (versions <pattern> [--arch <i386>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and i386 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages. |
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| 13:38.37 | themill | Innocentus: so keep following what dpkg said. |
| 13:38.45 | babilen | buhman: Can we help with something? |
| 13:39.23 | Innocentus | dpkg: help me with forgot mysql root password |
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| 13:39.58 | abrotman | !tell Innocentus about msg the bot |
| 13:40.01 | buhman | babilen: no, sorry, I just couldn't remember the nick of that bot |
| 13:40.03 | buhman | babilen: thanks |
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| 13:40.22 | Innocentus | ah, ok |
| 13:41.00 | NishaKitty | anyone happen to know the default backend when using kde+debian? |
| 13:41.05 | NishaKitty | for phonon I mean |
| 13:41.28 | abrotman | NishaKitty: do the dependencies say? |
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| 13:41.55 | NishaKitty | it's selectable for me |
| 13:43.16 | babilen | buhman: Ok, have fun! :) |
| 13:43.17 | kbotnen | hi, anyonw know how I can make my package tell that it requires a restart after its installed? |
| 13:43.25 | Innocentus | themill / abrotman: UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root' Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.01 sec) Rows matched: 3 Changed: 0 Warnings: 0 |
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| 13:43.44 | Innocentus | themill / abrotman: 0 rows affected |
| 13:43.51 | Innocentus | so the update was useless |
| 13:43.54 | NishaKitty | abrotman: I don't see any specifc backend depenceny for libphonon4 |
| 13:43.57 | abrotman | Innocentus: or you did it wrong ? |
| 13:44.07 | Innocentus | abrotman: no, I followed the instructions of that dpkg |
| 13:44.25 | abrotman | Innocentus: i generally try not to use mysql .. so i won't be much help |
| 13:44.40 | Innocentus | abrotman: are there better alternatives to it? |
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| 13:45.23 | abrotman | NishaKitty: apt-cache show phonon .. is that more help? |
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| 13:46.26 | NishaKitty | abrotman: checking |
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| 13:46.43 | NishaKitty | meta pacakge |
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| 13:46.50 | NishaKitty | but I think the default backend might be vlc |
| 13:47.07 | Innocentus | themill / abrotman: so what can I do? no rows are updated, or is this just an illusion? |
| 13:47.19 | abrotman | NishaKitty: it says what it depends on |
| 13:47.30 | NishaKitty | it doesn't but it has an A next to it in aptitude |
| 13:47.31 | NishaKitty | http://pastebin.com/q7RRSibM |
| 13:47.34 | abrotman | judd: depends phonon --release squeeze |
| 13:47.35 | judd | Package phonon in squeeze/i386 -- depends: libphonon4 (>= 4:4.6.0really4.4.2-1), phonon-backend-xine | phonon-backend. |
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| 13:48.01 | NishaKitty | not on squeeze |
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| 13:48.15 | NishaKitty | judd: depends phonon --release wheezy |
| 13:48.16 | judd | Package phonon in wheezy/i386 -- depends: debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, libphonon4 (>= 4:4.6.0really4.5.1-1), phonon-backend-vlc | phonon-backend. |
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| 13:48.24 | NishaKitty | yep I was right |
| 13:48.27 | NishaKitty | thanks abrotman ^^ |
| 13:49.35 | Innocentus | help! |
| 13:49.44 | NishaKitty | and I was reading it wrong aptitude show phonon had the dependcey sorry >.< |
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| 14:06.42 | shingouz | if i just install the base system. kernel and bootloader off the installation media, i can reboot into a running system and then do the necessary software installatoins from there? |
| 14:07.00 | babilen | shingouz: yes |
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| 14:07.26 | babilen | shingouz: Well, that assumes that you have a working internet connection and that your repositories are configured correctly |
| 14:07.33 | babilen | !tell shingouz -about make squeeze sources.list |
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| 14:09.41 | virunga | Hi, on debian.org there are a lot of torrent for cd of amd64 debian, CD1,CD2 etc, should i download they all? |
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| 14:09.56 | abrotman | virunga: do you have a good internet broadband connection ? |
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| 14:10.04 | RichiH | virunga: do you have fast internet hwere you will install the machine? |
| 14:10.07 | virunga | abrotman, no |
| 14:10.17 | abrotman | virunga: do you have broadband at all ? |
| 14:10.39 | virunga | abrotman, i have a 4 Mbit adsl |
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| 14:10.51 | abrotman | that's broadband and plenty fast |
| 14:11.06 | abrotman | virunga: get just the netinst or CD1 .. do the rest over your DSL |
| 14:11.20 | virunga | ok |
| 14:11.22 | virunga | thanks |
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| 14:11.54 | virunga | abramart, but what are the other cds? |
| 14:12.00 | gnarface | situations when you might want the whole debian cd set: you've just been stationed on mars and you're only in range of the internet for 3 months out of the year |
| 14:12.02 | jacobw | hi, i'm trying to use libpam-ldap to allow access for ldap users and restrict access based on group membership with the pam_groupdn parameter of /etc/ldap.conf |
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| 14:12.21 | virunga | ok |
| 14:12.25 | shingouz | babilen: thanks. i think i will do some magic with --set-selections and assorted other nasty things to the system once i can get it to boot up in a real debian, not the installer. seems a bit balky. the installer, i mean |
| 14:12.30 | virunga | bye |
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| 14:12.37 | jacobw | however, pam does not observe the restriction of membership to this group |
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| 14:12.55 | jacobw | i'm aware this is a slightly esoteric topic |
| 14:13.11 | Twinkletoes | I'm using mysqldump to transfer a database from one machine to another. How do I manage the priviliges aswell? |
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| 14:13.42 | babilen | !tell shingouz -about aptitude clone |
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| 14:14.24 | babilen | shingouz: You might want to go for the aptitude clone approach as it will preserve information about automatically/manually installed packages. (and keeps the list of packages for a box smaller) |
| 14:15.06 | gnarface | Twinkletoes: database privileges are stored in the mysql database - it can be copied and overwritten like any other with the exception that you must run 'FLUSH PRIVILEGES' after changing it directly for changes to take effect |
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| 14:15.58 | abrotman | jacobw: FWIW, Good freakin luck .. i've had my share of fighting with that .. |
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| 14:16.32 | Twinkletoes | gnarface: Thank you, I can see the user for which I want to copy the privs, but can't see how the series of columns with Y/N translate to just this specific database |
| 14:17.42 | gnarface | Twinkletoes: look at the names of the other tables in the mysql database. their names are self explanatory. the one you're looking for is called db (as you would expect) |
| 14:18.07 | gnarface | Twinkletoes: you'll want to copy all the tables if you copy any of them, not just user and db |
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| 14:18.42 | Twinkletoes | gnarface: Ah... and so if I only want to export the properties/privs for a particular user, I'm asking for trouble? |
| 14:19.07 | Twinkletoes | gnarface: Or I export the whole lot, and filter it again before I import into new server? |
| 14:19.07 | gnarface | Twinkletoes: without knowing what you're doing, yes, big trouble |
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| 14:19.20 | Twinkletoes | gnarface: I want to copy the user privs from the old server to the new one |
| 14:19.37 | Twinkletoes | gnarface: Exactlty what I would get with show grants |
| 14:19.45 | jacobw | abrotman: i'm finding documentation on this topic very sparse |
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| 14:20.04 | shingouz | babilen: i'm a dinosaur. apt is ok for me |
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| 14:20.52 | gnarface | Twinkletoes: if this is just a one time thing, not something you have to do periodically, automated, then just copy the whole set of tables in the db named 'mysql' to the new server |
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| 14:21.28 | Twinkletoes | gnarface: Hopefully it will only be a one-off, but I can't copy all the tables otherwise I'd overwrite what's existing in teh new server already |
| 14:21.44 | Twinkletoes | gnarface: It might be quicker just to re-input them manually |
| 14:21.52 | Twinkletoes | gnarface: Thansk you for your help though : ) |
| 14:21.53 | abrotman | jacobw: sparse isn't the word i'd use .. |
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| 14:22.09 | babilen | shingouz: Note that the aptitude approach is superior and there is no excuse for not using the best tool for the job |
| 14:22.09 | gnarface | Twinkletoes: most people just manage them all manually |
| 14:22.21 | Twinkletoes | gnarface: then I will do the same! |
| 14:22.22 | gnarface | Twinkletoes: with GRANT commands |
| 14:22.23 | shingouz | duly noted |
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| 14:22.51 | abrotman | jacobw: you may want to inquire in #ldap .. also, there used to be a wiki.debian.org/LDAP/PAM if that's any help |
| 14:23.02 | babilen | shingouz: hehe, have fun! :) |
| 14:23.07 | jacobw | i've been to the debian wiki :) |
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| 14:23.42 | gnarface | jacobw: hey if you find good documentation on how to do that please tell me where |
| 14:23.46 | shingouz | babilen: i try to. been there already and have the scars to prove it |
| 14:24.11 | FreonTrip | I'd like to install Debian x64, but neither my NIC nor my wireless card seem to be supported. Is the best bet to slap in a PCI ethernet card, update everything, and keep my fingers crossed? |
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| 14:24.31 | jacobw | gnarface: i'll update the wiki if i find anything useful |
| 14:24.32 | FreonTrip | NIC is a gigabit Atheros; wireless card has native support using (I think) the ralink driver. |
| 14:24.54 | jacobw | gnarface: i've seen this question asked many times without effective answer |
| 14:25.12 | gnarface | FreonTrip: that depends on your hardware availability. if you have a spare machine already running debian somewhere it may be easier to just temporarily move the harddrive to it and do a debootstrap install |
| 14:25.27 | gnarface | FreonTrip: i guess it depends on your knowledge level too |
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| 14:26.27 | FreonTrip | I've got about 5 spare 10/100 cards laying around with native support, so that should be straightforward. |
| 14:26.29 | qmr | anyone here use amazon s3? |
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| 14:26.43 | indistylo | EC2 not S3 |
| 14:27.16 | qmr | I have a login for s3, but I 'm not quite certain how I fiddle bits with it |
| 14:28.05 | gnarface | qmr: 'fiddle bits' ? |
| 14:28.15 | qmr | yes |
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| 14:29.34 | FreonTrip | gnarface: I'm most familiar with Slackware (used it for half a decade), but I think I can get a handle on Debian with some practice. |
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| 14:32.54 | Twinkletoes | Can I export/dump a mysql database so that I don't need to specify the database name when I import... it will be created automatically? |
| 14:34.19 | gnarface | Twinkletoes: you're aware mysqldump has a man page right? |
| 14:34.36 | Twinkletoes | gnarface: I've obcviosuly missed it... if the answer is Yes it can be done - I@ll go read again |
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| 14:35.19 | sephii | Twinkletoes: I think if you specify the --databases option it will include the create database statements |
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| 14:35.34 | Twinkletoes | sephii: Ah, ty - I@ll try |
| 14:35.57 | sephii | Twinkletoes: and yes, it's all in the manpage |
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| 14:36.21 | Twinkletoes | looks embarrsssed and goes to read teh man page anyway (and figure out how to spell embarressed) |
| 14:36.40 | asktoby | I am trying to run a script at shutdown. |
| 14:36.40 | asktoby | Script is /etc/init.d/suspendVMs.sh, symlinks at /etc/rc0.d/K01suspendVMs.sh & /etc/rc6.d/K01suspendVMs.sh |
| 14:36.43 | asktoby | Not working. What have I missed? |
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| 14:37.57 | gnarface | asktoby: all the other runlevels? just guessing |
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| 14:37.57 | hipodilski | hi how much is the debian budget for 2012 |
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| 14:38.08 | hipodilski | how much did the project spend on 2011 where can I get all this data? |
| 14:38.34 | asktoby | gnarface: So I should copy K01suspendVMs.sh into /etc/rcn.d where n=0:6? |
| 14:39.34 | gnarface | asktoby: i didn't say that, i don't know. but i did hypothesize that your problem could be solved by creating more symlinks in one or more of those directories, yes. one of them is called rcS.d, FYI |
| 14:39.43 | jordanm | hipodilski: http://www.spi-inc.org/corporate/annual-reports/ |
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| 14:40.57 | asktoby | gnarface: OK, thanks. I don't have a clear understanding of runlevels, just following instructions at the moment. rcS.d sounds like a good candidate. Will try that. |
| 14:40.58 | gnarface | asktoby: this page may be helpful to you: http://wiki.debian.org/RunLevel |
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| 14:42.45 | gnarface | openvpn is so cool it makes me wish people still played IPX games just so i could use it to bridge them in remotely |
| 14:43.08 | gnarface | oh how i wish i had openvpn when warcraft 2 was new |
| 14:43.35 | Iridos | what's warcraft |
| 14:43.37 | Iridos | :D |
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| 14:44.40 | asktoby | gnarface: Apparently rcS.d is just for single user mode, rc6 and rc0 are for shutdown and reboot. So I think my scripts are in the right place. |
| 14:44.43 | colo-work | gnarface, that'd be ALMOST as awesome as playing Baldur's Gate multiplayer sessions while emulating the serial link over TCP/IP. |
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| 14:47.00 | gnarface | asktoby: i got nothing then |
| 14:47.46 | asktoby | gnarface: OK, thanks. I'll keep bangin on it... |
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| 14:48.50 | gnarface | asktoby: K means it calls the scripts with 'stop' and S means it calls them with 'start' as the first parameter, right? |
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| 14:49.23 | jordanm | colo-work: baldur's gate multiplayer supported TCP/IP |
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| 14:49.41 | Iridos | asktoby, the system must pass through rcS.d on the way to rc2.d, though... all the mounting happens there |
| 14:49.44 | colo-work | jordanm, yeah, but it was INCREDIBLY crashy at that. same with IPX. |
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| 14:50.17 | colo-work | jordanm, I regularly play infinty engine games in multi player modes these days; using the serial support is the only feasible way to get it working without having thae game crash once every hour or so |
| 14:50.26 | colo-work | which is an absolute pain in the rear |
| 14:50.48 | asktoby | My script doesn't nead any parameters since it's just a shutdown script. That said, parameters don't stop it working. |
| 14:50.56 | gnarface | colo-work: are you playing through wine? |
| 14:51.21 | jordanm | colo-work: I didn't do bg multiplayer much, but I remember bg2 multiplayer on tcp/ip, I don't recall that issue. |
| 14:51.41 | colo-work | gnarface, sadly, no - wine does not emulate DirectPlay(TM), which you need for all Infinity Engine mulitplayer modes :( |
| 14:52.32 | colo-work | jordanm, I recall playing bg1 and bg2 over IPX and TCP back in the times quite well, too. it just doesn't work that good on modern machines, however. except when you do it over an emulated serial link, then it's pretty much rock-solid. |
| 14:53.21 | gnarface | colo-work: http://wiki.winehq.org/DirectPlayGames just cause wine doesn't do it out of the box doesn't mean there aren't documented workarounds |
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| 14:54.16 | qmr | any bright ideas on making our backups "incoming only"? i.e. don't want someone to compromise server, then rm -rf backups/ |
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| 14:54.40 | petemc | qmr: you can limit the commands a ssh key is allowed to run |
| 14:54.55 | colo-work | gnarface, interesting. I'll have to check that out, I guess. though it won't make a lot of difference - I play BG in a qemu-kvm VM with WinXP inside, and wine would require all those strange 32bit libs that nothing else on my system needs. the overhead in terms of packages is pretty much the same, I guess. |
| 14:55.00 | colo-work | (and I do need qemu-kvm anyway) |
| 14:55.17 | qmr | petemc: k. this is in context of s3 ... might have to get an ec2 and mount s3 on it, then control things |
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| 14:55.28 | colo-work | but thanks for pointing that out. I'll consider implementing that on my girlfriend's netbook, which hosts a 32bit Debian installation anyway |
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| 14:56.26 | gnarface | colo-work: i use it to avoid having to waste disk space on a windows install |
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| 14:57.13 | gnarface | colo-work: the debian package is ancient though. you'll probably end up wanting to compile your own |
| 14:57.19 | colo-work | gnarface, makes sense, but I have plenty of disk space available, and need that particular VM for other stuff occasionally, anyway :) |
| 14:57.25 | colo-work | gnarface, you mean wine? |
| 14:57.30 | gnarface | colo-work: yea |
| 14:57.52 | gnarface | colo-work: its not hard. you don't have to compile all the dependencies. there are packages for most of them |
| 14:58.08 | gnarface | colo-work: probably for all of them actually, with regards to baldur's gate |
| 14:58.10 | colo-work | yeah well, doesn't 64bit wine only enable win64 apps to run? |
| 14:58.30 | colo-work | it's mostly about the 32bit multilib libs that I'd like to avoid to install |
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| 14:58.39 | colo-work | (and maintain, if I do compile wine myself) |
| 14:58.51 | gnarface | colo-work: yea but 64-bit wine is a joke. nobody actually uses it. everyone just runs the 32-bit one and installs the 32-bit compat libs. |
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| 14:59.16 | gnarface | colo-work: its not a problem because there's no 64-bit build of baldur's gate anyway |
| 14:59.34 | gnarface | colo-work: but i guess if you're allergic to the ia32-libs* packages i don't blame you |
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| 14:59.45 | babilen | multi-arch ftw! |
| 14:59.57 | gnarface | when is that happening babilen? |
| 15:00.43 | babilen | gnarface: dpkg with multi-arch was uploaded to sid, but got pulled -- I am not entirely sure about the current status. (/me lags a bit with reading debian-devel mailing lists et al.) |
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| 15:01.07 | babilen | gnarface: IIRC there was a CTTE decision about this recently -- Let me dig up the result. |
| 15:01.48 | babilen | gnarface: See the thread on http://lists.debian.org/<20120202090813.GA22792@upsilon.cc> |
| 15:02.12 | gnarface | thanks babab |
| 15:02.15 | gnarface | i mean babilen |
| 15:02.27 | babilen | no problem gnuface |
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| 15:08.42 | squidly | why would apache show only listening on ipv6? |
| 15:08.53 | jhutchins_wk | babilen: Nice to see the sausage being made. |
| 15:09.49 | jhutchins_wk | So how does one handle 32b apps on a 64b system in squeeze? |
| 15:09.54 | Dagger3 | squidly: it does that. if v4 mapped addresses are turned on, it allows it to accept both v4 and v6 connections with a single socket |
| 15:10.26 | gnarface | jhutchins_wk: the ia32-libs* packages and some lib32* stuff just put all the alternate libs in /usr/lib32 and (usually) make symlinks correctly |
| 15:10.32 | jhutchins_wk | Also, why would you want a Debian 32b app on a 64b system if the app were available as a 64b package? |
| 15:10.42 | gnarface | i think you wouldn't |
| 15:10.55 | gnarface | i think you would only use this for 32-bit foreign apps that are only available as 32-bit |
| 15:10.57 | squidly | Dagger3: ok thank. How do I turn that off? |
| 15:11.07 | jhutchins_wk | gnarface: That seems to be the goal of multiarch, but ok, need to learn more. |
| 15:11.27 | jhutchins_wk | gnarface: Is there a guide to that painful little detail of "(usually) make symlinks correctly"? |
| 15:11.55 | jhutchins_wk | I'm encountering the need for cross-compatibility on RHEL for the first time, and it's not pretty. |
| 15:11.59 | gnarface | jhutchins_wk: i've seen a few but they're usually specific to "when building the latest version of wine" |
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| 15:12.43 | gnarface | jhutchins_wk: the difference i think between multiarch and the way debian does it now is those libraries will be in the package with their 64-bit cousins instead of all bundled up in one big communal grave |
| 15:13.05 | Dagger3 | squidly: `echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/bindv6only`, although I'm guessing that's not what you really want to do... |
| 15:13.40 | jhutchins_wk | I don't yet understand how it works to have the libraries that packages expect to be in /usr/lib (for instance) in /usr/lib32. |
| 15:14.18 | jhutchins_wk | Do you have to re-link / rebuild the 32b binaries to look in the new path? |
| 15:14.24 | gnarface | jhutchins_wk: in my experience the ia32-libs* packages usually do everything right except like on sid for now for examle how the transition to jpeg8 from jpeg62b or whatever is breaking the symlink in /usr/lib32 and like one of the header files collides too |
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| 15:15.22 | gnarface | jhutchins_wk: let me clarify "do everything right" as "fuck if i know how it works but no, you don't have to do anything weird. it usually just works." |
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| 15:16.43 | gnarface | jhutchins_wk: places where it doesn't work are like how for example for a while the OpenAL library was missing from the ia32-libs-dev package on amd64 |
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| 15:22.06 | miha | i wonder if there's any easy way to modify PATH just for apache? |
| 15:22.18 | miha | and all processes from it |
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| 15:23.26 | bs0d | Hello guys. please suggest me a good uml modelling tool.. I see many of them .. which you concider to be most useful? |
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| 15:23.54 | miha | bs0d: i loved MagicDraw UML, not free though |
| 15:24.07 | absence | how do i compile a 32-bit program using the multiarch stuff? |
| 15:24.12 | absence | using gcc |
| 15:24.16 | gnarface | bs0d: graphor has the coolest name |
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| 15:24.32 | gnarface | bs0d: sorry i mean gaphor |
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| 15:25.10 | miha | bs0d: it has trial though... |
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| 15:29.58 | sephii | miha: have you tried to modify the envvars file? |
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| 15:31.49 | miha | sephii: havent tried anything yet :$ |
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| 15:32.08 | sephii | miha: so try to set it in your /etc/apache2/envvars file |
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| 15:35.25 | Wu | hi there |
| 15:35.45 | Wu | wonders if there is any issue with the latest mysql-server package in squeeze... |
| 15:36.12 | Wu | after install it (apt-get install mysql-server) debconf shows me a dialog-like screen where it asks me for the root password |
| 15:36.19 | petemc | Wu: you could check the bug tracking system, or be less vague |
| 15:36.27 | Wu | I give it the password |
| 15:36.39 | Wu | then when trying to access the server as root, the password does not match |
| 15:36.51 | gnarface | Wu: what's your command line |
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| 15:37.09 | Wu | I've tried this twice (removing the installation and reinstalling mysql again) |
| 15:37.29 | Wu | petemc: yeah, sure, that could be another option, sorry if I'm bothering you |
| 15:37.33 | gnarface | Wu: you're trying to connect locally right? or remotely? by default debian's mysql packages don't listen on any public addresses |
| 15:37.39 | Wu | gnarface: mysql -u root -p mysql |
| 15:37.57 | Wu | that should use the local unix socket |
| 15:38.20 | gnarface | Wu: humor me and try this: mysql -u root -p (then hit enter, and enter your password at the prompt ) |
| 15:38.28 | Wu | if I stop the server and I start it again, manually: mysqld_safe --skip-grant-tables & |
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| 15:38.47 | Wu | I can log in without password, but then I query the mysql.User table |
| 15:38.51 | Wu | and there is no root user there |
| 15:38.56 | Wu | gnarface: same thing |
| 15:39.08 | gnarface | Wu: well that's no good. and that's not behavior i have seen |
| 15:39.27 | Wu | the last "mysql" tells the mysql binary to connect o the mysql database |
| 15:39.34 | gnarface | Wu: but if you're missing your grant tables there is no choice but to put them back |
| 15:39.35 | Wu | yeah, first time I see that error too |
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| 15:40.38 | Wu | so I was wondering if it is a known bug/problem with the latest package |
| 15:40.50 | Wu | I'll try in another box and see what happen |
| 15:40.54 | Wu | thnx anyway |
| 15:43.38 | Storfiskaren | Hey guys, I have a dns-related question. I have a linux box that is acting as a router and server for me. Is there a way to forward a new dns-server address that I get to to the WAN nic to my local dhcp3-server? |
| 15:44.49 | Storfiskaren | The scenario is that I get a new dns-server address from my ISP and want it to be forwarded to my machines behind the firewall automatically. Now I have specified the dns-server addresses in dhcpd.conf |
| 15:44.58 | NishaKitty | can anyone help me my pulse audio has the wrong volume scale for my usb headset |
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| 15:45.28 | pepi | hi |
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| 15:45.44 | pepi | need help with squeeze |
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| 15:46.02 | jhutchins_wk | Storfiskaren: It would probably be easier to set up a caching DNS server on your server and let the local workstations always query that. |
| 15:46.28 | jhutchins_wk | Storfiskaren: I don't know if dnsmasq has the ability to do what you want, it might. |
| 15:46.45 | Storfiskaren | jhutchins_wk: now, how do I do that? A local dns-server? |
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| 15:47.21 | pepi | just afret base system installation I add firmware for realtek, also wicd, interface is visable in ifconfig but my wicd-curses dont see any network |
| 15:47.22 | Storfiskaren | jhutchins_wk: I guess I have some new things to google now, thank you |
| 15:47.28 | pepi | after* |
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| 15:47.55 | sc30317 | hey all, I just logged into my box, and when I run an ls command I get the following: |
| 15:47.57 | pepi | any reasons why it happen ? |
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| 15:48.12 | sc30317 | ls: unrecognized prefix: rs |
| 15:48.12 | ensi | hello, i |
| 15:48.17 | sc30317 | ls: unparsable value for LS_COLORS environment variable |
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| 15:48.27 | sc30317 | does anyone know why I could be getting that error message all of a sudden? |
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| 15:48.40 | ensi | i'm trying to install 6.0.4 debian, i've dd'ed the .iso onto a usb stick |
| 15:48.49 | somiaj | sc30317: are you using ls --color? (or have that set up in an alias)? |
| 15:48.54 | ensi | and it boots fine but the installer starts to ask for cdrom drivers for accessing the media |
| 15:48.55 | sc30317 | somiaj, yes |
| 15:48.57 | Wu | ok, found it |
| 15:49.01 | ensi | and it wont go further than that, any fixes? |
| 15:49.02 | gnarface | sc30317: probably because you uninstalled the package that contained dircolors |
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| 15:49.20 | sc30317 | gnarface, I didn't uninstall anything |
| 15:49.30 | Wu | gnarface: FYI (and perhaps petemc too) it was a problem with the permissions on /tmp on that server |
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| 15:49.42 | Wu | the mysql user had no write permission there |
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| 15:49.50 | gnarface | ah |
| 15:49.52 | Wu | and then some tables were not created properly |
| 15:49.55 | gnarface | yes stuff needs tmp |
| 15:50.02 | Wu | seems so |
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| 15:50.11 | Wu | anyway, thnx! |
| 15:50.14 | gnarface | i think it needs to be 1777 |
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| 15:51.14 | gnarface | sc30317: do you have the coreutils package installed? |
| 15:51.27 | shaun- | ensi: you using any devices which use non-free firmware ? |
| 15:51.41 | ensi | shaun-: dunno, like what? |
| 15:51.50 | sc30317 | gnarface, yes |
| 15:52.52 | gnarface | sc30317: well i can only say double-check your ~/.bashrc file for typos |
| 15:53.06 | shaun- | ensi: The Debian installer can sometimes give you issues if you're using devices which require non-free firmware. Because Debian is just the stuff from the main repo not contrib or non-free. so that may be why it's asking. you can either put those non-free packages on a USB or CD *OR, maybe easier, there is an ISO containing the non-free stuff available somewhere |
| 15:53.49 | ensi | i dont really understand the problme here, what would such devices be, i mean we're just installing here |
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| 15:54.02 | shaun- | ensi: see http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/squeeze/current/ |
| 15:54.02 | ensi | and it wants to use cdrom to access to media even though its booting off a usb |
| 15:54.11 | ensi | so obv it has usb support working already since it got this far |
| 15:54.44 | shaun- | ensi: you have the precise error/warning message? |
| 15:54.53 | ensi | how can is ee that? |
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| 15:55.03 | sc30317 | gnarface, I think it may be a rootkit |
| 15:55.07 | sc30317 | but I'm not sure |
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| 15:55.16 | shaun- | ensi: you said the installer asked you for some stuff. i need you to tell me EXACTLY what it said |
| 15:55.20 | sc30317 | gnarface, I have checked my .bashrc extensively |
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| 15:55.43 | ensi | shaun-: in the graphical installer step 3 |
| 15:55.49 | ensi | "detect and mount cd-rom" |
| 15:55.52 | ensi | it goes there |
| 15:56.08 | shaun- | so after you try to detect and mount the cd-rom it just hangs? |
| 15:56.20 | ensi | "no common cd-rom drive was detected, blablblaal load cd-rom driver from removable media yes/no" |
| 15:56.25 | ensi | it doesnt hang |
| 15:56.31 | ensi | it just goes on and on about cdrom |
| 15:56.36 | ensi | and the media is on usb |
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| 15:56.43 | ensi | so it doesnt detect anything |
| 15:57.05 | shaun- | It thinks you need to load a driver to get your cd-rom working. which is new to me. not heard of that before. commong with network cards and wifi and such like tho |
| 15:57.25 | shaun- | ensi: you still have the error on your screen? |
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| 15:57.39 | ensi | there is no "error" really |
| 15:57.47 | ensi | just a failed installation step |
| 15:57.54 | ensi | but no error msg/codde |
| 15:58.03 | ensi | but yes its here |
| 15:58.10 | shaun- | ensi: ok. message then. it said something. rather than "blablabla load cd-rom" i need the exact message so I can look it up |
| 15:58.37 | ensi | shaun-: i'm in the graphical installer, should i go to non-graphical? |
| 15:58.47 | ensi | cause i just get what i just said here |
| 15:58.49 | ensi | in step 3 |
| 15:58.56 | shaun- | ensi: whereever it gave you the error. just try it again but this time write it down. the exact message. |
| 15:59.20 | ensi | ok, detect and mount cd-rom |
| 15:59.29 | ensi | its detecting |
| 15:59.45 | ensi | doesnt detect anything, "no common cdrom drive was detected" |
| 16:00.00 | ensi | gives me yes/no for "load cd-rom drivers from removable media" |
| 16:00.11 | shaun- | ensi: did you use unetbootin ? |
| 16:00.35 | ensi | shaun-: i have no idea, probably not, just transferred to .iso to usb and booted off the usb |
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| 16:01.13 | poitpoit | bonjour |
| 16:01.53 | shaun- | ensi: here you go http://blog.mybox.ro/2010/04/28/installing-debian-distributions-from-usb-sticks-problems-and-solutions/ |
| 16:02.08 | shaun- | ensi: read that.. looks like it's the problem you've got (and the solutuion) |
| 16:02.08 | poitpoit | quelqu'un peut me dire comment formater un disque de plus de 2 To |
| 16:02.09 | ensi | ok thanks |
| 16:02.16 | ensi | ill lok |
| 16:02.25 | ensi | the last time i used debian was 3.2 i think |
| 16:02.26 | poitpoit | high |
| 16:02.33 | babilen | !fr |
| 16:02.34 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 16:02.34 | ensi | i got sick of crapubuntu |
| 16:02.40 | absence | how can i prevent apt-get from marking packages as manually installed when specifying already installed packages in order to resolve a dependency conflict? |
| 16:02.46 | ensi | wanna try debian again |
| 16:02.54 | babilen | !tell ensi -about usb install |
| 16:03.00 | babilen | !tell ensi -about hybrid images |
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| 16:03.19 | poitpoit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:03.49 | jhutchins_wk | mkfs |
| 16:04.03 | jhutchins_wk | Is it still mke2fs for ext3/4? |
| 16:04.04 | shaun- | ensi: it's just caused by the debian installer skipping ext2 and fat16. but if you mount it yourself first it will get picked up |
| 16:04.18 | poitpoit | for ext3 |
| 16:04.25 | ensi | shaun-: aaalright |
| 16:04.33 | ensi | thanks |
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| 16:04.56 | shaun- | good luck |
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| 16:06.33 | ensi | :p |
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| 16:11.24 | ensi | hum i cant find my usb device :/ |
| 16:11.35 | ensi | it should be mounted right? |
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| 16:12.21 | antismap | ensi : ls /media/ ? |
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| 16:13.06 | ensi | well i mean the device file |
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| 16:13.32 | babilen | ensi: Replug your USB stick and run "dmesg|tail -n23" -- Show us the output on http://paste.debian.net |
| 16:14.38 | qmr | anyone know how to allow write but not delete with an s3 bucket? |
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| 16:14.56 | s3a | I resized my swap and then it didn't get detected so i changed the uuid by getting swap's uuid from blkid and it does work but whenever i hibernate and then start the computer, upon starting the computer the computer thinks it crashed or something and the journal of my root partition (I think it is the root partition) is being recovered. How can I make my computer be able to hibernate again? |
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| 16:16.08 | BenNZ | s3a: is the size of the swap twice the ram? |
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| 16:18.19 | s3a | BenNZ, 10.7gb swap 3 gb ram |
| 16:18.26 | s3a | don't judge :D |
| 16:18.45 | s3a | (i had shrinked the swap for space on my root) |
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| 16:19.27 | BenNZ | s3a: should be more than enough swap tho |
| 16:20.31 | s3a | BenNZ, ya well it's not successfully waking from hibernation. any things to test and show you? |
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| 16:21.11 | qmr | any recommendations for a cheap high availability VPS to run services monitoring on? 128mB ought to be enough. hell 64mB ought to be enough |
| 16:21.21 | jhutchins_wk | s3a: Have you done a normal reboot? |
| 16:21.32 | BenNZ | s3a: what does it not restore properly? |
| 16:21.40 | shaun- | qmr: what services monitor are you using? |
| 16:21.42 | s3a | jhutchins, yes actually |
| 16:22.00 | ensi | babilen: cannot' |
| 16:22.14 | s3a | BenNZ, at the point where you see text. it justs checks the journal to fix stuff as if it were a crash |
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| 16:22.17 | qmr | shaun-: hell if I know. default plan is to use nagios, since I used it way back when |
| 16:22.56 | shaun- | qmr: it's an important decision in deciding if the resources are sufficient. nagios is very efficient so you'd be ok |
| 16:23.01 | BenNZ | s3a: not sure to be honest |
| 16:23.15 | shaun- | s/decision/factor |
| 16:23.26 | s3a | BenNZ, it's alright. i just thought i'd leave a message here until someone who knows can tell me |
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| 16:25.41 | leopa | TELA TAM 02/12 GARANTO 100MIL CLIQUES ANTES DE CAIR NO PHISHING http://bit.ly/yhJ6EQ |
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| 16:29.53 | ensi | nothing comes to dmesg when i unplug/replug the usb stick |
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| 16:34.29 | dutchfish | ensi, and the bus is not disabled in bios? have you watched lsusb -v? |
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| 16:35.47 | ensi | no such command lsusv |
| 16:35.50 | ensi | lsusb |
| 16:36.20 | ensi | dutchfish: how could it boot if the usb was disabled in bios...? |
| 16:36.21 | dutchfish | ensi, usbutils: /usr/bin/lsusb |
| 16:36.48 | ensi | dutchfish: nope |
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| 16:37.43 | dutchfish | ensi, what debian version and kernel are you running? |
| 16:38.11 | ensi | its the 6.0.4 installer |
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| 16:38.38 | vice | hey! i am using sid with the propritary fglrx driver. the xserver crashes if i open a video with xine or mplayer.. any idea?? |
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| 16:39.20 | ensi | ok |
| 16:39.31 | ensi | i think its time to give debian a goodbye, try again in 10 years |
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| 16:40.50 | grandie | ensi: why goodbye |
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| 16:40.54 | petemc | ensi: debian isnt a good fit for a lot of people |
| 16:41.06 | ensi | grandie: doesnt wokr |
| 16:41.06 | nkuttler | vice: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=649346 |
| 16:41.15 | ensi | it wont install so meh |
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| 16:41.34 | nkuttler | ensi: bye |
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| 16:44.07 | vice | nkuttler thx |
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| 16:48.02 | nkuttler | vice: very nice.. there's even a workaround mentioned now.. works for me with it |
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| 16:50.44 | shaun- | well. 10 minutes until happy hour. OH yeah. |
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| 17:00.34 | hoxu | !qotd0 |
| 17:00.35 | dpkg | <Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it |
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| 17:01.49 | archo43 | wow me too |
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| 17:03.32 | diverdude | what the difference between find . -iname *.html -exec grep "chat" {} \; and find . -iname *.html -exec grep "chat" {} + ? one has \; and the other has +. what does that mean? |
| 17:04.38 | pmade | diverdude: read the man page. I believe one executes grep once for each matching file, and the other executes grep once with all matching files |
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| 17:05.15 | diverdude | pmade: ?? isnt that the same? |
| 17:05.20 | pmade | no |
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| 17:05.31 | diverdude | hmm' |
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| 17:05.40 | pmade | diverdude: grep will either be run once, or N times |
| 17:06.03 | diverdude | ok |
| 17:06.04 | diverdude | thx |
| 17:07.33 | smurfx | hi all, I've installed Debian Wheezy with Xfce on a x86_64, but dpkg-architecture command shows me i386 value. how to fix this or is it just by system default?! |
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| 17:08.43 | s3a | I resized my swap and then it didn't get detected so i changed the uuid by getting swap's uuid from blkid and it does work but whenever i hibernate and then start the computer, upon starting the computer the computer thinks it crashed or something and the journal of my root partition (I think it is the root partition) is being recovered. How can I make my computer be able to hibernate again? |
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| 17:09.06 | babilen | smurfx: Sounds as if you installed i386 and not amd64 -- Which kernel are you running (uname -r) ? |
| 17:09.34 | smurfx | babilen, Linux support13 3.2.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Feb 6 00:49:35 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 17:10.33 | babilen | smurfx: That looks like you are running a amd64 kernel with i386 userland. What does "dpkg --print-architecture" give you and what is the output of "apt-cache policy" ? |
| 17:10.44 | babilen | smurfx: (paste that to http://paste.debian.net please) |
| 17:11.07 | smurfx | babilen, ok! |
| 17:11.34 | babilen | smurfx: Also note that we have a wheezy/sid specific support channel (#debian-next) on irc.oftc.net |
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| 17:13.00 | smurfx | babilen, ok thanks! I didn't know it! here is the output from dpkg --print-architecture: i386 |
| 17:13.45 | smurfx | babilen, and the output from apt-cache policy shows me all the sources from i386 |
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| 17:14.29 | ama2er | people i know this is kind of a basic question, but is it possible to use the % operator in a 'sh' script and not 'bash' because i keep getting the error '%' not found |
| 17:14.33 | ama2er | thanks |
| 17:15.36 | babilen | smurfx: yeah, you installed i386 and a amd64 kernel. I would recommend to reinstall and make sure that you install amd64 userland as well. Note that the recommended way to install wheezy (if at all) is to use the stable *installer* -- It is furthermore recommended to use that to install squeeze (minimal) first and upgrade to wheezy. The testing installer is not meant for installing testing, but for testing the installer. |
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| 17:17.40 | smurfx | babilen, ok I got it! Thank u very much!! I 'll reinstall and check it again... |
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| 17:23.38 | asarch | What is the default password for the PostgreSQL postgres user? |
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| 17:27.53 | sam____ | Hi all, I try to install a program but I've got this error "xsetup: 32: ./bin/lin/xsetup Permission denied", Do u have any suggestion? |
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| 17:36.07 | somiaj | sam____: which program are you trying to install and from where? |
| 17:36.21 | somiaj | sam____: ./bin/lin/xsetup seems like something outside of debian |
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| 17:42.23 | LtL | ama2er: yes, % works in a sh script |
| 17:42.37 | LtL | ama2er: does for me anyway |
| 17:43.01 | ama2er | LtL:oh i'll try again |
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| 17:45.57 | ama2er | LtL, did you execute the file as $ sh filename |
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| 17:46.46 | LtL | ama2er: yup |
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| 17:48.21 | ama2er | LtL, Maybe then i'm typing the expression wrong. Can you post yours? |
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| 17:49.29 | LtL | ama2er: sure, very simple script, http://pastebin.com/yUkxWiiW |
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| 17:53.11 | DammitJim | any reason why I'm getting transfer speeds to my usb thumb drive of 50kB/s on a file copy? |
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| 17:56.48 | ama2er | LtL, Thanks buddy it does work. I was looking at the wrong place. I had used $RANDOM in my script. That was the cause of the problem. |
| 17:57.13 | LtL | ama2er: my pleasure |
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| 17:58.29 | deego | I am trying to install debian on a new machine. One of the bios options is "Onboard sata mode". The options are raid, ahci, and ide. |
| 17:58.34 | deego | Which one should I use? |
| 17:58.56 | qmr | ahci I reckon |
| 17:59.03 | qmr | go ask ##hardware, they're smarter about this stuff |
| 17:59.35 | deego | Thanks. |
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| 18:01.44 | crissi | hm.. why there is such old dovecot in debian... 2.0 was released summer 2010 |
| 18:01.49 | somiaj | deego: ahci if you don't want to use the raid controler on your board. |
| 18:02.03 | karlpinc | !tell crissi about stable |
| 18:02.24 | karlpinc | !tell crissi about bdo |
| 18:02.42 | somiaj | deego: ide is only needed if your os doesn't support viewing sata devices but linux (debian) do support ahci |
| 18:03.01 | somiaj | crissi: 1.5 years is not old. |
| 18:03.11 | deego | somiaj: I see. thanks. |
| 18:03.22 | crissi | a little bit |
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| 18:05.01 | Iridos | crissi, so how old are you :D |
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| 18:05.37 | crissi | hmm... backports lists 1.4~rc3-1~bpo60+1... not 2.x |
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| 18:06.13 | Synthead | # service networking restart Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces ... (warning). What's the "proper" way to restart networking in debian? |
| 18:06.33 | somiaj | crissi: if you want a comparision, lots of big secure networks (I had a friend work as IT for the navy network) will not even upgrade the windows versions (or software versions) on their network until they have had 4-5 years or more to mature, pull all the bugs out, etc. Wanting a solid system that has time to mature and stay stabalized is not just debian being out of date, but providing a solid mature system. |
| 18:06.42 | somiaj | crissi: make your own backport |
| 18:06.46 | somiaj | ,versions dovecot |
| 18:06.47 | judd | No package named 'dovecot' was found in i386. |
| 18:06.54 | crissi | LÖL |
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| 18:07.00 | karlpinc | crissi: So tell us your problem and we'll recommend a solution. |
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| 18:07.06 | somiaj | ,version dovecot-core |
| 18:07.07 | judd | Package: dovecot-core on i386 -- sid: 1:2.0.15-1; wheezy: 1:2.0.15-1 |
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| 18:07.26 | crissi | hm. |
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| 18:07.41 | crissi | wheezy is not stable |
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| 18:07.58 | crissi | also too old |
| 18:08.05 | crissi | 2.1.x is out |
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| 18:08.21 | karlpinc | crissi: Right. See the <moving target> factoid. Also <sns>. Perhaps you should tell us 'too old' for what? |
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| 18:08.38 | crissi | too old for sid |
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| 18:08.43 | Iridos | judd, versions dovecot-common |
| 18:08.44 | judd | Package: dovecot-common on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.0.15-2.3+lenny1; lenny-security: 1:1.0.15-2.3+lenny1; lenny-backports: 1:1.2.15-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:1.2.15-7; squeeze-security: 1:1.2.15-7; sid: 1:2.0.15-1; wheezy: 1:2.0.15-1 |
| 18:09.17 | somiaj | new is better syndrome......you can always compile your own custom packages from the upstream source if you care. |
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| 18:09.42 | crissi | no, if i want that i will use gentoo |
| 18:09.46 | Iridos | if you do that a LOT we suggest gentoo |
| 18:09.47 | Iridos | hehe |
| 18:09.55 | karlpinc | There's also arch. |
| 18:10.02 | crissi | right |
| 18:10.10 | karlpinc | crissi: So, you have a problem? |
| 18:10.25 | crissi | yes, doveadm is missing for example |
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| 18:11.09 | zgr | guys why chromium in wheezy and sid is outdated? |
| 18:11.47 | karlpinc | crissi: If you must have it, make your own backport. See the <ssb> factoid. See also footnote 1 of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware for potential issues with doing your own system's integration. Having said that, go for it. |
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| 18:12.33 | somiaj | zgr: chromium has a very agressive release schedule, version 16 in sid is only a few months old. |
| 18:13.15 | zgr | so there is no way to get current stable version? (17) |
| 18:13.30 | zgr | except building from source |
| 18:13.41 | karlpinc | zgr: There's an faq on the debian developer site that explains why things get delayed, mutual breakage requiring repeated fixing is what it amounts to. |
| 18:14.10 | karlpinc | !tell zgr about uupdate |
| 18:14.12 | somiaj | zgr: you can check experemental, but yes until the debian developer gets around to fixing all the issues that could come with making the newer version work on every debian port takes a while |
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| 18:17.04 | jhutchins_wk | Not really a Debian question, but Setting up a samba server with security=server, is there a way to let windows users set their password when they connect for the first time? |
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| 18:19.47 | readme | Is anyone familiar with the "rescue" image from debian live? I cannot find any documentation on it. I wanted to know what software was included. |
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| 18:20.15 | crissi | readme: dpkg -l | grep ii |
| 18:20.40 | crissi | on the rescue system |
| 18:20.46 | readme | crissi: thanks, but I don't actually have the whole image yet.. :) |
| 18:20.54 | readme | I was hoping to save some bandwidth |
| 18:21.01 | readme | I need something to run gparted on |
| 18:21.11 | crissi | gparted? why? |
| 18:21.19 | Iridos | there's actually a separate channel for debian-live |
| 18:21.26 | readme | on OFTC |
| 18:21.36 | readme | I visited it, no luck. figured i'd try here |
| 18:21.38 | crissi | that requires x |
| 18:21.47 | crissi | if you have full hardware access use a live cd like knoppix or ubuntu |
| 18:21.51 | readme | which is precisely why I was concerned with what software is on the rescue CD. |
| 18:22.03 | readme | err, image. |
| 18:22.08 | readme | it's 600MB |
| 18:22.10 | readme | you'd think it has X |
| 18:22.23 | crissi | could be |
| 18:22.49 | readme | well, 14 minutes left until I find out |
| 18:22.49 | crissi | i mostly use a ubuntu or knoppix cd for such things |
| 18:23.11 | crissi | but if rescue system is on remote server then no x is there |
| 18:23.21 | readme | i think that since I am running debian stable, it is probably best to use a debian stable rescue image if possible. |
| 18:23.23 | crissi | then parted on console is enough |
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| 18:23.35 | readme | ah, I guess I can use that |
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| 18:23.40 | crissi | what you want to do? resize? |
| 18:23.51 | readme | yeah. |
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| 18:25.43 | LtL | methane petrol Pb |
| 18:26.00 | LtL | wrong channel [expletive] sorry |
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| 18:30.16 | makk | what is linux mint channel |
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| 18:31.28 | dondelelcaro | !tell makk -about mint |
| 18:31.50 | makk | thanks |
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| 18:43.41 | mcgreg | hi |
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| 18:45.27 | RantingTalker | to get a terminal on a usb2serial device, can i just type a line at the grub prompt? |
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| 18:45.49 | mcgreg | on my eeepc with debian linux and kernel 3.2 I wanted to build the broadcom-sta modules , suign module assistant - as far as I just learned I need version > broadcom-sta-source_5.100.82.112-5 (I have -4) but I only see it existing as amd64 version - is the x86 version dead? |
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| 18:45.57 | RantingTalker | internal / external |
| 18:45.58 | RantingTalker | i need this for a machine which seesm to be unable to use any LCDs :s |
| 18:46.00 | RantingTalker | a laptop |
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| 18:48.37 | klync | RantingTalker: the headless host has serial, and the controlling host has usb? if so you should be good following the serial console howto |
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| 18:49.17 | RantingTalker | klync: no, both have usb2serials |
| 18:49.20 | RantingTalker | its a laptop |
| 18:49.22 | RantingTalker | a recent one |
| 18:49.31 | RantingTalker | my desktop does have a native rs232 port though |
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| 18:49.46 | RantingTalker | but the headless one only has an usb2serial |
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| 18:50.07 | anigma | where do I change Suhosin options? |
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| 18:50.13 | RantingTalker | i think its wifi works too, i could refit that |
| 18:50.19 | Zizzy | How can I configure apt to use http? |
| 18:50.34 | RantingTalker | does it use something else now? :s |
| 18:50.42 | Zizzy | ftp |
| 18:50.45 | klync | RantingTalker: i've never been in that situation, but i think you'll need to make sure the right usb modules are loaded, in addition to the usual (kernel and init options to enable serial term) |
| 18:50.56 | RantingTalker | check package sources |
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| 18:51.11 | RantingTalker | iirc http is standard tohugh |
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| 18:51.33 | RantingTalker | klync: well i read about a line to type in grub |
| 18:51.41 | RantingTalker | but i'm not sure if it would work with usb2serial |
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| 18:52.11 | RantingTalker | can i install debian on an USB stick with machine A, then boot it with machine B ? |
| 18:52.25 | RantingTalker | this way i can alter anything i want by plugging it into machine A |
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| 18:52.39 | Delf | How do I change the port number on my smb server? |
| 18:52.48 | klync | RantingTalker: i would only be guessing ... but i can't imagine you'll get the console on a usb port until after the usb modules are loaded ... so, dark until init takes over and spawns a tty for you |
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| 18:53.12 | RantingTalker | ok, so can i prepare an USB stick to do all of it? |
| 18:53.28 | klync | RantingTalker: usb stick should work, provided you have a generic enough kernel and it supports booting from usb |
| 18:53.44 | RantingTalker | crap right.... |
| 18:53.46 | RantingTalker | i cant see the #@$#@$ bios |
| 18:53.47 | RantingTalker | lol |
| 18:53.54 | RantingTalker | can i emulate the menu somehow? |
| 18:54.01 | RantingTalker | so i can see what keys to press |
| 18:54.22 | RantingTalker | worst case i can use a CD that starts the USB |
| 18:54.26 | klync | RantingTalker: what kind of computer is this? is the built-in screen dead? |
| 18:54.34 | RantingTalker | aspire 7738g |
| 18:54.39 | RantingTalker | it had waterdamage |
| 18:54.44 | RantingTalker | well... cocktaildamage |
| 18:54.48 | RantingTalker | i cleaned it all up and it boots again |
| 18:54.50 | klync | heh |
| 18:54.53 | RantingTalker | but the LCD stays white |
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| 18:55.10 | RantingTalker | cable looks fine |
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| 18:55.14 | RantingTalker | soi unplugged the LCD, and plugged in a monitor to the external VGA port |
| 18:55.19 | RantingTalker | then boot it |
| 18:55.31 | RantingTalker | then it just shows me a bunch of garbage on the LCD |
| 18:55.46 | RantingTalker | non ascii garbage |
| 18:55.47 | RantingTalker | then when the GUI should show, it shows diffrent gargabe |
| 18:55.50 | RantingTalker | *garbage |
| 18:56.24 | klync | RantingTalker: how about removing the hard drive, installing (with usb console support), then re-seating it? the trickiest part would be grub, but that can be done |
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| 18:56.44 | Zizzy | How do you configure apt to use a proxy? |
| 18:56.45 | RantingTalker | klync: everything is removed lol |
| 18:56.46 | klync | RantingTalker: or try factory reset on the bios and see if that enables the vga port |
| 18:56.54 | RantingTalker | it does boot from CD though |
| 18:56.56 | RantingTalker | i tested that |
| 18:57.02 | RantingTalker | maybe usb too if imlucky |
| 18:57.06 | RantingTalker | since the HDD is already removed |
| 18:57.19 | RantingTalker | tried resetting , no luck :( |
| 18:57.29 | RantingTalker | tried removing the GPU too |
| 18:57.35 | Delf | if an isp is blocking the default smb ports, how do I open additional ones? Cant find anything to do with "port" in smb.conf |
| 18:57.36 | RantingTalker | in the hopes the intel chipset took over |
| 18:57.39 | RantingTalker | someone suggested that |
| 18:57.45 | RantingTalker | no luck either :( |
| 18:58.09 | klync | Delf: running smb over the public internet is probably not a good idea |
| 18:58.37 | RantingTalker | do you jsut wanna share files safely with someone else? |
| 18:59.05 | Delf | klync: sensitive info is not shared |
| 18:59.40 | RantingTalker | if i get it back to work i will probably use it outside its case lol |
| 18:59.44 | RantingTalker | its nice and thin/small without the case |
| 19:00.00 | RantingTalker | seemed liek a good option as a carpc |
| 19:00.28 | RantingTalker | if it runs stable i dont mind making a (monochrome) screen for it |
| 19:00.46 | RantingTalker | a serial display or something similar |
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| 19:01.33 | klync | RantingTalker: if you live in an urban area you may be able to find another to scavenge parts from (like a new lcd) |
| 19:01.40 | RantingTalker | klync: if you just wanna share files ssh is probably a good idea |
| 19:01.53 | RantingTalker | well i have another LCD |
| 19:01.54 | klync | Delf: ^^ what RantingTalker said :D |
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| 19:01.56 | RantingTalker | same connector |
| 19:01.57 | RantingTalker | another size etc |
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| 19:02.02 | RantingTalker | but i dont wanna try it |
| 19:02.03 | RantingTalker | the pinout might be diffrent |
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| 19:02.21 | RantingTalker | Delf: sorry wring highlight |
| 19:02.28 | RantingTalker | klync: sorry for the confusion |
| 19:02.33 | klync | np |
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| 19:02.43 | Delf | RantingTalker: safety is not a priority |
| 19:02.44 | RantingTalker | cannot type |
| 19:02.46 | RantingTalker | *wring = wring |
| 19:02.50 | klync | lol |
| 19:02.54 | Delf | wrong* |
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| 19:03.59 | klync | Delf: not sure, but i don't think you can change the ports bc the client expects them there, so changing it server-side is not an option. better to allow sftp access, or, if it must be mounted like a network share, webdav |
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| 19:04.25 | Delf | klync: the client I'm using, it can be changed. |
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| 19:05.10 | RantingTalker_ | sorry i was disconnected or something |
| 19:05.22 | RantingTalker_ | did i miss anything? |
| 19:05.28 | klync | Delf: a quick googling yields this: http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba-technical/1999-February/003678.html |
| 19:05.42 | RantingTalker_ | ssh is still not a bad option i think |
| 19:06.15 | RantingTalker_ | if you need it compatible with windows winscp is a good option |
| 19:06.35 | RantingTalker_ | is pretty straightforward from the user side |
| 19:06.37 | Delf | klync: I'm not using commercial products :D |
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| 19:07.29 | klync | Delf: what i'm saying is that the makers of samba didn't include the ability to set a different port because it doesn't make sense. you would need to modify the source and recompile |
| 19:07.31 | RantingTalker_ | if you feel very strongly about using smb you could utilize ssh reverse port forwarding lol |
| 19:07.41 | RantingTalker_ | although that would be kindof... unconventional for these purposes |
| 19:07.41 | RantingTalker_ | lol |
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| 19:08.06 | gnarface | ,versions php-apc |
| 19:08.07 | judd | Package: php-apc on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.19-2; squeeze: 3.1.3p1-2; sid: 3.1.7-1; wheezy: 3.1.7-1 |
| 19:08.10 | Delf | klync: Those bast****!! Thanks anyways :) |
| 19:08.11 | klync | Delf: or possibly use nc or something similar to bridge between the two ports on the server |
| 19:08.39 | Delf | nc? bridge two ports? NOW thats what I want to hear! :D |
| 19:08.47 | RantingTalker_ | lol |
| 19:08.52 | RantingTalker_ | the dirtier the better eh? |
| 19:08.55 | klync | Delf: I have *no idea* what this would do, but, e.g. `nc -l 9999 | nc localhost 139` |
| 19:09.04 | RantingTalker_ | send a dvd through the postage mail |
| 19:09.05 | RantingTalker_ | lol |
| 19:09.13 | RantingTalker_ | and put "CONFIDENTIAL" on teh emveloppe |
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| 19:10.42 | klync | Delf: you could write something in perl that would be a little more reliable - i.e. do some buffering and better persistence |
| 19:10.47 | gnarface | ,versions eaccelerator |
| 19:10.48 | judd | No package named 'eaccelerator' was found in i386. |
| 19:11.04 | Delf | klync: I don't have that kind of knowledge |
| 19:11.36 | s7r | how can i install the Certification Authorities for Pidgin ? each time i connect to a ssl remote it says certificate cannot be verified, etc. |
| 19:11.39 | s7r | i am on debian |
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| 19:13.07 | protoCall7 | does anyone have any information about fix versions for the libpng integer overflow on lenny? only squeeze is listed. |
| 19:13.36 | RantingTalker_ | Delf: if you have basic network knowledge you can use ssh to tunnel the traffic |
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| 19:14.14 | Lesterwood | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_792347&v=t3_l8AugMJU&src_vid=K1I7N_0JR9s |
| 19:14.25 | beowulf09us | hi |
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| 19:15.24 | squidly | cheers! |
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| 19:15.44 | Delf | RantingTalker_: I don't have that heiter |
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| 19:16.33 | RantingTalker_ | Delf: you dont have basic networking knowledge |
| 19:16.34 | RantingTalker_ | ? |
| 19:17.05 | dondelelcaro | s7r: assuming you have ca-certificates installed (which is recommended) it should just work |
| 19:17.24 | dondelelcaro | s7r: alternatively, if you've configured ca-certificates to not have any acceptable certificates, you'll have to fix that |
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| 19:18.01 | Delf | RantingTalker_: I don't know much about anything :P |
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| 19:18.31 | RantingTalker_ | Delf: i kindof suspected that when you said security was not a priority :p |
| 19:18.47 | RantingTalker_ | i dont care about my data being stolen either, but i still try to make it secure |
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| 19:19.09 | s7r | dondelelcaro: i don't know iceweasel is ok |
| 19:19.13 | s7r | i mean it doesn't give any certificate error |
| 19:19.16 | s7r | only pidgin does |
| 19:19.25 | RantingTalker_ | certificate error? where/ |
| 19:19.40 | ozst | Hi, I need help with approximating a straight line using in gnuplot, based on just a few given points. Can gnuplot do that? |
| 19:19.57 | RantingTalker_ | and did you get the error before? |
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| 19:20.06 | RantingTalker_ | make sure nobody is doign a MITM attack |
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| 19:21.24 | s7r | RantingTalker_: it says cert cannot be verified |
| 19:21.27 | RantingTalker_ | Delf: well oen of the simplest things to setup then i probably ssh |
| 19:21.28 | s7r | its in pidgin only |
| 19:21.33 | s7r | i think it doesnt have the CA database |
| 19:21.41 | RantingTalker_ | Delf: this can run on any port you want, AND its safer |
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| 19:22.15 | RantingTalker_ | pidgin only? |
| 19:22.18 | RantingTalker_ | :s |
| 19:22.33 | RantingTalker_ | oh wait |
| 19:22.39 | RantingTalker_ | i had the same prob loooooong ago |
| 19:22.50 | Delf | RantingTalker_: Yes, how do I setup permissions for specific users? |
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| 19:23.17 | Jrz | hey guys… I'm trying to install debian to a usb |
| 19:23.26 | Jrz | also from a usbstick |
| 19:23.37 | Jrz | (my old usb stick died, which had ubuntu running) |
| 19:24.11 | Jrz | I did the cat boot.img > /dev/something… copied netinstall iso over, but it won't boot from usb |
| 19:24.24 | s7r | yes RantingTalker_ pidgin only |
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| 19:24.43 | valdyn | Jrz: that /dev/something should read what it really is, not your placeholder |
| 19:24.57 | valdyn | Jrz: unless you already know that its correct, but then you wouldnt be here asking |
| 19:25.04 | Jrz | I'm not sure out of my heart which device it is.. |
| 19:25.23 | Jrz | I tried to the device, but also by first partitioning; |
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| 19:25.41 | Jrz | I tried both /dev/sdc1 and /dev/sdc |
| 19:25.54 | Jrz | I also flagged the partition as bootable.. |
| 19:26.05 | valdyn | Jrz: its not really important what you tried, its important what did not boot |
| 19:26.27 | RantingTalker_ | Delf: i googled, this is a good start: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/94 |
| 19:26.40 | Jrz | valdyn The installer doesn't boot |
| 19:26.53 | Jrz | valdyn but the goal is to have debian running from a usb |
| 19:26.56 | Jrz | stick |
| 19:26.57 | valdyn | Jrz: sure, but was it cat > /dev/sdc or sdc1 before you noticed that? |
| 19:27.22 | RantingTalker_ | Delf: tthis seems pretty complete: http://www.howtoforge.com/restricting-users-to-sftp-plus-setting-up-chrooted-ssh-sftp-debian-squeeze |
| 19:27.43 | Jrz | I tried /dev/sdc first, because I read that a 'partitionless' method would be easier because I would not have to flag the part |
| 19:27.55 | Jrz | I probably killed an mbr here or there |
| 19:27.58 | valdyn | Jrz: one of both methods is plain wrong |
| 19:28.10 | valdyn | Jrz: its not that one is just "better" |
| 19:28.18 | RantingTalker_ | s7r: i recall having the same prob, iirc it was some pidgin-specific problem at the time, but i dont remember teh details |
| 19:28.23 | Jrz | ah.. then one article was wron =) |
| 19:28.24 | RantingTalker_ | try googling the problem |
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| 19:29.03 | valdyn | !usb install |
| 19:29.03 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 19:29.40 | aso824 | Hi all. Anyone know how I can check what sound system I have on Debian Testing (Debian 6 stable -> Debian 7 testing), and how I can run Audigy 2 ZS? |
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| 19:30.16 | aso824 | alsaconf command not work, i have installed packets of ALSA. But I installed pulseaudio (not removed alsa), system using ALSA anyway... |
| 19:30.18 | valdyn | aso824: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 19:30.31 | Jrz | hm… that's a different method… cat the installiso to usb.. I'll try that. thx |
| 19:30.32 | Delf | RantingTalker_: Thanks! I'll give it a look when I come back |
| 19:30.39 | valdyn | aso824: alsa and pulseaudio are complementary, not alternatives |
| 19:30.51 | Jrz | my stick is big enough enyway |
| 19:30.56 | aso824 | @valdyn - this shows my integrated HDA Intel and Audigy2 - SB Audigy 2 ZS [ SB0350], rev.4 |
| 19:31.05 | RantingTalker_ | Delf: sure no prob, ask here if you run into problems |
| 19:31.11 | valdyn | aso824: so theres your sound card, whats the actual problem? |
| 19:31.15 | RantingTalker_ | dont let the length scare you, its pretty straightforward |
| 19:31.24 | RantingTalker_ | try it out in a virtual machine first if you are unsure |
| 19:31.53 | Jrz | oh btw… I have an ION-board (330).. 2gb ram.. should I use 32 or amd64? |
| 19:32.10 | Jrz | I think 32bit would save me some memory b/c pointer size |
| 19:32.11 | aso824 | @valdyn - I have gnome3, sound manager shows integrated card and audigy but: after reboot HDA Intel has checked, but this is not a problem... audigy no plays any sounds |
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| 19:32.57 | valdyn | aso824: but your HDA Intel does |
| 19:33.03 | aso824 | I checked at tab "Device" SB Audigy - Analog duplex stereo, on tab "Output" SB Audigy + No amplituner |
| 19:33.13 | aso824 | @valdyn - yes, HDA Intel plays all sounds without any problems |
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| 19:33.46 | valdyn | aso824: what exaclt is the "sound manager" ? |
| 19:34.24 | gnarface | no amplituner |
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| 19:34.43 | aso824 | @valdyn: uh.. default sound applet on Gnome3 - integrated with gnome, I think it's using ALSA |
| 19:34.52 | valdyn | aso824: "aplay -D hw:0,0 some.wav" vs "aplay -D hw:1,0 some.wav" should use one of both cards each |
| 19:35.16 | aso824 | Can I use aplay with mp3/flac? I don't have .wav at this moment |
| 19:35.21 | Arrowmaster | aso824: its not |
| 19:35.28 | Arrowmaster | gnome3 forces the usage of pulse |
| 19:35.30 | valdyn | aso824: you should have wav files in /usr/share/sounds/ |
| 19:35.53 | valdyn | aso824: you should be using pulseaudio on top of alsa, so both |
| 19:35.58 | aso824 | Arrowmaster: hmm, after instalation I have installed (i checked it in package manager) only ALSA packets, at boot i see [ALSA] Starting.. |
| 19:36.16 | valdyn | aso824: thats fine, you need alsa |
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| 19:36.30 | Arrowmaster | without alsa, pulse wouldnt work |
| 19:36.35 | valdyn | aso824: I already said that they are not alternatives but complementary |
| 19:36.42 | RantingTalker_ | aso824: enable all the sliders if you did not yet |
| 19:36.45 | Arrowmaster | unless you were using pulse to route the sound to a different computer over the network |
| 19:36.56 | RantingTalker_ | then slide all of them up and try to see if you hear sound |
| 19:36.59 | Arrowmaster | one of the only sane reasons to have pulse installed imho |
| 19:37.06 | RantingTalker_ | sometimes the sliders get mixed up |
| 19:37.06 | aso824 | valdyn: I do this, but this not works.. wait a moment, Im a checking aplay command |
| 19:37.11 | RantingTalker_ | at least they used to |
| 19:37.35 | valdyn | aso824: this might not work for various reasons, one being that your app that is playing sound is not using pulseaudio |
| 19:37.47 | valdyn | aso824: we dont know that app, you didnt tell us |
| 19:37.52 | kevlarman | Arrowmaster: usb/bluetooth devices also really suck to deal with without pulse |
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| 19:38.58 | aso824 | Chrome usings ALSA, it's works with HDA Intel |
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| 19:39.38 | aso824 | I have installed packets pulseaudio (and dependends) and ALSA packets |
| 19:39.46 | valdyn | aso824: chrome needs a special fix if it uses alsa, that is a ~/.asoundrc file that redirects alsa to pulse |
| 19:40.27 | aso824 | But how check if pulseaudio can play with Audigy? |
| 19:40.44 | valdyn | aso824: you can select it in your audio manager |
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| 19:42.20 | aso824 | Uh... wait. Im run application "GNOME ALSA Mixer" and it's show "SigmaTel STAC9721,23" and "Realtek ALC1200" O_o My Integrated card is ALC888... nevermind. |
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| 19:43.00 | valdyn | aso824: either way you cant this https://valdyn.org/asound.conf |
| 19:43.06 | valdyn | aso824: either way you *want* this https://valdyn.org/asound.conf |
| 19:43.09 | aso824 | I run pulseaudio audio control and this is can redirect ALSA Plug-in [Chrome] to SB Audigy? I have list and i can check integrated or Audigy with this plugin |
| 19:43.45 | aso824 | Where is asound.conf? |
| 19:43.51 | valdyn | aso824: maybe, I dont know that plugin |
| 19:43.55 | valdyn | aso824: /etc/asound.conf |
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| 19:44.25 | aso824 | I don't have this file ;] create it with this link? |
| 19:44.26 | valdyn | aso824: this is just for apps that dont support pulseaudio |
| 19:44.43 | valdyn | aso824: yes |
| 19:45.22 | valdyn | aso824: the only app I use that doesnt support pulseaudio is probably adobe flash |
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| 19:45.49 | aso824 | valdyn: yes, I have opened Youtube and I think it is this plugin |
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| 19:46.15 | valdyn | aso824: please run "pavucontrol" and let me know if that is your sound manager |
| 19:46.39 | aso824 | I already using pavucontrol ;] |
| 19:46.57 | valdyn | aso824: ok, great, now then you can redirect to whatever sound card or both at a time |
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| 19:47.56 | aso824 | Hmm... this is not normal O.o On tab "Output devices" (i have PL system, sorry if I translate not valid) and section "SB Audigy Analog stereo", if i play any sound, sound control bars is moving correctly |
| 19:48.22 | valdyn | aso824: ok |
| 19:48.36 | aso824 | Pavucontrol shows that all sounds are playing on SB Audigy... |
| 19:48.59 | aso824 | Microphone works correctly |
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| 19:49.43 | maxflax | I have problems getting lm-sensors to work on debian squeeze |
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| 19:52.21 | needle | hello |
| 19:53.08 | weazle | hi |
| 19:53.20 | needle | can someone tell me if there is a official website for http://packages.debian.org/sid/cpu |
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| 19:53.41 | needle | cpu is a console based LDAP browser |
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| 19:54.12 | needle | sorry I have no debian, but would like to get the sources of cpu |
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| 19:57.13 | valdyn | needle: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/c/cpu/current/copyright |
| 19:57.40 | needle | ahh sf.net |
| 19:57.44 | needle | ty valdyn :) |
| 19:58.06 | jhutchins_wk | Didn't exactly name the projet with searchability in mind, did they? |
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| 19:58.46 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: funny how the first google hit is the same site |
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| 19:59.18 | aso824 | Ah, Audigy works :D I must run GNOME Alsa Mixer and uncheck "Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack", Audigy is shown as "SigmaTel STAC9721,23" ;] |
| 19:59.42 | ikus060 | Hello, I'm using Debian testing. I think a recent update mess up with my date time settings. Does any one has report a similar problem ? |
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| 20:02.42 | aso824 | One simple question - where I can off sounds from the microphone, letting to the sound output? |
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| 20:03.21 | jhutchins_wk | valdyn: For just plain cpu? |
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| 20:03.45 | jhutchins_wk | valdyn: or cpu console based ldap browser? |
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| 20:09.18 | abrotman | !tell ikus060 about set the time |
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| 20:21.07 | ikus060 | abrotman: I'm aware how to set the time, but I don't understand why I do need set it again, since it was OK last week. So my guess is the last update mess up with my date time settings. Is it possible ?? |
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| 20:23.50 | ikus060 | I also try to enable the network time using the gnome settings, but it doesn't work. I guess it's related to the fact ntp, ntpdate is not installed ... |
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| 20:27.16 | maxsz | hi |
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| 20:30.40 | maxsz | when i try to "sudo apt-get build-dep --no-install-recommends linux-image-3.2.0-1-amd64" i always get "Picking 'linux-2.6' as source package instead of 'linux-image-3.2.0-1-amd64'". Anybody knows why? |
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| 20:32.54 | Iridos | I get a 2nd line of error that somewhat explains it |
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| 20:34.57 | Iridos | don't you? |
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| 20:35.52 | maxsz | no |
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| 20:37.51 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: "cpu source" |
| 20:37.54 | Iridos | ops, that one's for 2.6 |
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| 20:38.57 | jhutchins_wk | valdyn: Not here, it's all about sources for cpu's. |
| 20:39.05 | jhutchins_wk | valdyn: You're probably using google history. |
| 20:39.19 | styler | hi i installed squeeze just fine, but when i go with sid + xfce i get no sound.. any ideas? when doing "alsactl init" it shows my HW... "HDA-Intel" |
| 20:39.22 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: im logged in too, guess google knows me |
| 20:39.36 | jhutchins_wk | So am I, but I have history turned off. |
| 20:39.51 | valdyn | jhutchins_wk: I see |
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| 20:40.16 | Iridos | maxsz, apt-cache show linux-image-3.2.0-1-amd64 |grep Source: |
| 20:40.23 | Iridos | that should explain it :) |
| 20:41.16 | jhutchins_wk | valdyn: Even "cpu open source ldap browser" just brings up pages about LDAP with CPU references. |
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| 20:42.31 | maxsz | Iridos: thanks :) |
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| 20:50.43 | denom | is there anyone here running debian on AWS? I'm curious if there are best practices or official amazon debian instances |
| 20:50.55 | denom | AWS -> EC2 |
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| 20:57.27 | somiaj | denom: I always prefered to make my own custom instances, with debootstrap it isn't that difficult if you understand debian |
| 20:58.30 | somiaj | denom: I had a setup for a while using elastic storage and the likes for perestant data and snapshots for backups going on a custom image that only contained what I needed on a server. (the biggest issue I would imangine with the offical instances is you have to reconfigure it every time you bring it up) |
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| 21:03.34 | denom | hmm, I'll check out debbootstrap....I'm just worried about what happens with a kernel upgrade? |
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| 21:06.42 | jhutchins_wk | denom: How would kernel upgrades be related to debootstrap? |
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| 21:15.10 | DebianDebian123 | hello |
| 21:15.21 | DebianDebian123 | i have debian 6.0.4 32bit |
| 21:15.31 | DebianDebian123 | how can i manual install wifi driver |
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| 21:15.40 | DebianDebian123 | chipset is atheros 9285 |
| 21:15.48 | jhutchins_wk | !atheros |
| 21:15.49 | dpkg | Qualcomm Atheros is a developer of semiconductors. For support of PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with an Atheros chipset, ask me about <ath5k>, <ath9k>. For USB WiFi support, ask me about <ar9170>, <ath9k_htc>, <ar5523>. For Ethernet driver information, see <atl1>, <atl2>, <atl1e>, <atl1c>, <alx>. For Bluetooth device support, see <ath3k>. http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/Atheros |
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| 21:16.14 | jhutchins_wk | DebianDebian123: The ath9k driver in the stock kernel should work. |
| 21:16.27 | jhutchins_wk | !ath9k |
| 21:16.28 | dpkg | ath9k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver supporting PCI/PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN devices with Atheros chips. It does not require firmware from userspace. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k for more information and supported devices. For Atheros 802.11n USB device support, ask me about <ath9k_htc>, <ar9170>. |
| 21:16.53 | DebianDebian123 | i have no internet on this debian |
| 21:17.03 | DebianDebian123 | i install from CD not dvd |
| 21:17.12 | denom | jhutchins_wk, I'm not sure. I dont understand how amazon new kernal installs works |
| 21:17.24 | debsan | http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 21:17.47 | debsan | oops |
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| 21:19.40 | project2501b | hmmm |
| 21:19.47 | Primis | hey does anyone know what the hell this adaptor is? http://imgur.com/a/GNf1F |
| 21:19.51 | project2501b | dropping the suhosin patch was a bad idea |
| 21:20.12 | project2501b | i mean, i understand why it was done, but still, bad idea. especially since most php developers are beligerent. |
| 21:20.34 | daemonkeeper | project2501b: Join the PHP team, help maintaining it. Then it will certainly come back. |
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| 21:21.01 | project2501b | daemonkeeper, i would dude, but i got my hands full with debian-med |
| 21:21.22 | scwizard | if you screwed up the config files while attempting to configure something, and you want to regenderate them, is there a way to do that with apt? |
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| 21:21.55 | anigma | let's say I'm using pure-ftpd with virtual users.. if I then would like to add a system account to pure-ftpd, would that be possible? |
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| 21:22.03 | daemonkeeper | scwizard: You want to read http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/09/21/debian-conffile-configuration-file-managed-by-dpkg/ |
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| 21:24.20 | scwizard | daemonkeeper, I read that, it seems you can't get it to talk about config files without upgrading or reinstalling in wheezy |
| 21:24.24 | scwizard | so ima just reinstall I guess |
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| 21:24.44 | daemonkeeper | scwizard: Well, there is apt-get install --reinstall |
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| 21:26.23 | scwizard | E: Command line option --force-confnew is not understood :( |
| 21:26.25 | dondelelcaro | Primis: that's a phone net adapter. |
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| 21:26.32 | scwizard | w/e i will purge and reinstall |
| 21:26.48 | daemonkeeper | scwizard: That's an argument to dpkg, not apt. |
| 21:27.00 | dondelelcaro | Primis: see https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/PhoneNet |
| 21:27.02 | scwizard | u_u |
| 21:27.41 | daemonkeeper | There is a clear example given by buxy. |
| 21:27.42 | scwizard | "purge is identical to remove except that packages are removed and purged (any configuration files are deleted too). " <- liar! they're still there! |
| 21:28.03 | dondelelcaro | scwizard: configuration files are supposed to be removed. Which package and which file? |
| 21:28.22 | scwizard | apache2 and all the whole folder |
| 21:28.36 | dondelelcaro | scwizard: apache2 doesn't contain any configuration files. |
| 21:29.00 | dondelelcaro | scwizard: apache2.2-common is the package which contains apache2 configuration files. |
| 21:29.10 | scwizard | o |
| 21:29.17 | dondelelcaro | scwizard: why do you want to purge apache2.2-common, anyway? |
| 21:29.39 | scwizard | apparently I don't need to, I can just isntall --reinstall and I'll get the old config files back |
| 21:29.54 | dondelelcaro | !tell scwizard -about confmiss |
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| 21:30.02 | daemonkeeper | + forcing dpkg to reinstall them, unless you purg it before. |
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| 21:30.12 | daemonkeeper | +e |
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| 21:30.26 | anigma | let's say I'm using pure-ftpd with virtual users.. if I then would like to add a system account to pure-ftpd, would that be possible? |
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| 21:30.40 | daemonkeeper | by the way: holding conffiles in apache2.2-common was a bad design decision :/ |
| 21:30.52 | dondelelcaro | daemonkeeper: no, actually, it wasn't |
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| 21:31.43 | daemonkeeper | dondelelcaro: It yields to unneeded complexity. |
| 21:32.14 | daemonkeeper | Since the general idea of upgrade possibilities is not given anyway. |
| 21:32.22 | dondelelcaro | daemonkeeper: not really; apache2.2-common is used because it's architecture independent; apache2 itself is the architecture dependent package. |
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| 21:32.51 | daemonkeeper | dondelelcaro: It is, but only because dak can't handle all -> any dependencies :/ |
| 21:33.04 | pasky | Hi! Can I force a package to a configured state even though its (bogus) configure script fails? |
| 21:33.07 | dondelelcaro | daemonkeeper: huh? |
| 21:33.17 | dondelelcaro | daemonkeeper: dak has nothing to do with those dependencies |
| 21:33.30 | dondelelcaro | pasky: fix the configure script |
| 21:33.49 | daemonkeeper | dondelelcaro: There is not a single arch dependent file in the apache2 package. The only problem is, you can't make an arch:all package depending on arch:any. |
| 21:33.54 | jacobw | on the topic |
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| 21:34.01 | daemonkeeper | Whether that's a problem in dak or whatever. |
| 21:34.03 | dondelelcaro | daemonkeeper: that's totally incorrect |
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| 21:34.14 | pasky | hmm i guess i can tweak the script in /var/lib/dkg/info |
| 21:34.21 | jacobw | can i find all available debconf settings a package has? |
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| 21:34.57 | daemonkeeper | dondelelcaro: Try it? |
| 21:34.59 | dondelelcaro | daemonkeeper: there are tens of thousands of counterexamples. |
| 21:35.28 | Iridos | apache2 is a metapackage |
| 21:35.28 | dondelelcaro | daemonkeeper: every single lib*-perl package which is arch: all is a counterexample. |
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| 21:36.10 | dondelelcaro | daemonkeeper: now what you probably mean is that it's not possible for an arch: all to express an equals dependency on a binary version |
| 21:36.38 | tremon | jacobw: debconf-get-selections in debconf-utils is your best bet |
| 21:36.39 | dondelelcaro | daemonkeeper: and that has nothing to do with dak; that's because it's not possible to view the future |
| 21:36.43 | daemonkeeper | dondelelcaro: ehrm yes, sorry, I was imprecise. |
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| 21:38.04 | dondelelcaro | (and a consequence of allowing binary NMUs) |
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| 21:43.06 | scwizard | I sudo aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall apache2.2-common and apache still won't start |
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| 21:44.41 | scwizard | my mods enabled dir is epty Z_Z |
| 21:44.57 | scwizard | isn't --force-confiss supposed to fix that? |
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| 21:46.29 | scwizard | also when I sudo apt-get purge apache2.2-common the configuration files are still there |
| 21:46.54 | scwizard | if the config files don't go when you apt-get purge apache2, and they don't go when you apt-get purge apache2.2-common |
| 21:46.58 | scwizard | then what gets rid of them? |
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| 21:48.01 | daemonkeeper | The files are owned by apache2.2-common. However, this does not hold for mods-enabled. Those have now "owner", as these links are created at installation time. |
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| 21:48.22 | dondelelcaro | scwizard: just a2enmod foomod; the modules that you want to use |
| 21:48.48 | scwizard | oh it's that the whole operation fails |
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| 21:49.00 | daemonkeeper | *what* fails |
| 21:50.10 | scwizard | I want apache2 gone, instead I get this: http://codepad.org/UobYLt0H |
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| 21:51.10 | scwizard | "It looks like you've deleted /etc/apache2/mods-available/cgid.load, so mod_cgid cannot be enabled. To fix this, please purge and reinstall apache2.2-common." <- what do you think I just typed in ??? I typed in $ sudo apt-get purge apache2.2-common |
| 21:52.53 | cafuego | scwizard: sudo apt-get remove --purge apache2.2-common |
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| 21:53.30 | daemonkeeper | won't help, the init script dies because he screwed his configuration |
| 21:53.38 | cafuego | hah :-) |
| 21:53.38 | scwizard | cafuego, it gies me identical results |
| 21:53.42 | daemonkeeper | letting the init script exit gracefully helps |
| 21:53.43 | cafuego | reinstall it, THEN purge it |
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| 21:53.53 | cafuego | properly |
| 21:53.56 | scwizard | also tried that it doesn't help |
| 21:54.35 | scwizard | "reinstall it properly" I would if I could, if I could there wouldn't be any need to purge |
| 21:54.37 | daemonkeeper | Put "exit 0" to the top of /etc/init.d/apache2, purge it, reinstall (that's the lazy way) |
| 21:54.45 | scwizard | hmm ok |
| 21:54.47 | scwizard | whatever works |
| 21:55.24 | scwizard | so what exactly is going on here? having the init script error messes up attempts to purge a package? |
| 21:55.59 | daemonkeeper | Read your own log. The purge script calls "/etc/init.d/apache2 stop" which fails, thus dpkg aborts the operation. |
| 21:56.16 | scwizard | ok well I added the exit 0 |
| 21:56.18 | cafuego | How did /etc/apache2/mods-available/cgid.load come to be deleted? |
| 21:56.31 | daemonkeeper | cafuego: He seems to have screwed up more than that. |
| 21:56.46 | scwizard | but it still doesn't work |
| 21:56.52 | daemonkeeper | In particular he removed /etc/apache2/envvars as well, which is essential to the init script. |
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| 21:57.25 | scwizard | why is it doing this anyway? "The following NEW packages will be installed: apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 21:57.25 | scwizard | " |
| 21:57.45 | cafuego | scwizard: Oh, so yuo removed files without using the apckage system, well, not surprising you're having issues then. |
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| 21:58.06 | scwizard | it's obvious I screwed up, I'll adit that |
| 21:58.07 | cafuego | scwizard: A package on your system depends on that, it would seem. |
| 21:58.26 | daemonkeeper | scwizard: purge apache2, too. |
| 21:58.32 | scwizard | however sometiems people screw up, so my question is, is there any way to recover from this error? |
| 21:58.43 | cafuego | scwizard: Of course there is, there always is. |
| 21:58.50 | daemonkeeper | Do apt-get purge apache2.2-common apache2 |
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| 21:59.08 | scwizard | daemonkeeper, ok that seems to have done it |
| 21:59.19 | scwizard | so the first bit with the init script failing, I understand why that might cause problems |
| 21:59.30 | scwizard | the second bit is that it tried to resolve a dependency by installing an alternate thingy howsit? |
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| 22:00.00 | cafuego | yes |
| 22:00.11 | daemonkeeper | apache2 depends on the MPM packages. If you remove one, dpkg tries to install the default alternative to satisfy dependencies. |
| 22:00.20 | daemonkeeper | (apt, actually) |
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| 22:00.47 | scwizard | hmm ok, that sorta behavior seems sorta like trying to outsmart the user |
| 22:01.05 | cafuego | scwizard: The alternative is to leave the package system ins abroken state. |
| 22:01.14 | cafuego | scwizard: So really, it's more the other waya round. |
| 22:01.23 | scwizard | cafuego, no the alternative is to uninstall packages that depend on the package you're uninstalling |
| 22:01.25 | cafuego | scwizard: A user trying to outsmart the apckage system (and failing ;-) |
| 22:01.39 | scwizard | that seems like more sensible behavior to me |
| 22:01.44 | cafuego | scwizard: You'll find that it *does* that |
| 22:01.53 | daemonkeeper | We improved that significantly in the upcoming 2.4 package (although dondelelcaro probably won't like it, if he's liking the apache2/apache2.2-common split) |
| 22:02.09 | ingens | Hello Debian! I would like to install Squeeze on a nice old laptop (Dell Latitude C400, build around 2002) which has no floppy. However, there seems to be a floppy controller. Problem: The Debian installer hangs because it tries to read the floppy (on wireless detection, and later on disk detection). |
| 22:02.22 | scwizard | well it picks wheather to uninstall dependencies or install alternative dependcies by guessing what the user "really wants" |
| 22:02.39 | ingens | Google tells me that some people had similar problems, but no clear solution. General question: can I tell the kernel or the Debian installer to ignore the floppy? |
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| 22:02.43 | daemonkeeper | How should apt know, what you want? |
| 22:02.46 | scwizard | erm depencies is the wrong word, I mean apckages that depend on what your'e uninstalling |
| 22:03.04 | daemonkeeper | As long as you keep apache2 installed, it is apt's job to keep it satisfied |
| 22:03.13 | cafuego | scwizard: I find that aptitude and apt-get are quite happy to uninstall dependent packages when you're doing a normal uninstall. |
| 22:03.27 | scwizard | daemonkeeper, I'm not saying it should, I'm saying it should only do that later (uninstall packages that depend on what you're installing) because the altenrative is to do both which I think is confusing |
| 22:03.41 | daemonkeeper | cafuego: The point is, it can't as long are there reverse dependencies depending on it. |
| 22:03.50 | cafuego | scwizard: But when you're removing a random package, it can't know what you're actually trying to accomplish, so its main task is to not let you put the system into a broken state. |
| 22:04.06 | slingr | ingens there should be a switch to do so, i'm looking as well right now |
| 22:05.10 | scwizard | I'm not a fan of that behavior, if someone is like "apt get purge c standard librarys durr" and apt is like "rming your box, is that k?" and they say "yeah" then they should get what they deserve |
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| 22:05.31 | daemonkeeper | You did. But your situation was differet. |
| 22:05.33 | daemonkeeper | *different |
| 22:05.38 | cafuego | scwizard: Yes, I understand. This is why I don't run slackware. |
| 22:06.09 | slingr | ingens> have you disabled the floppy controller in the BIOS? |
| 22:06.28 | scwizard | my situation was I wanted to purge apache, and it wouldn't do that without me saying I wanted to purge apache-common and apache |
| 22:06.37 | ingens | slingr: in kernel documentation there is a file floppy.txt, but I do not see a switch there to totally disable the floppy. |
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| 22:06.53 | scwizard | if what I REALLY wanted was to install an apache that forks differently, then would I really say "apt-get purge apache2.2-common" ? |
| 22:07.01 | ingens | slingr: Unfortunately there is no such setting in the BIOS. (But I am just checking again...) |
| 22:07.25 | daemonkeeper | scwizard: You want apt-get install apache2 apache2-mpm-event then. |
| 22:07.33 | cafuego | scwizard: Well, provide a patch for apt or for apache to fix it, so it does what YOu want and not what everyone else wants ;-) |
| 22:07.35 | scwizard | of course |
| 22:07.43 | daemonkeeper | Otherwise, apt picks any working alternative (which is worker by default) |
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| 22:09.05 | scwizard | ok lets look at this a different way, when someone says "apt get purge dependnecy", in which cases would they want the depency they're purging to be replaced by a similar dependency? |
| 22:09.13 | scwizard | what sorta use cases? |
| 22:09.36 | BenNZ | ingens: modprobe floppy? |
| 22:09.47 | daemonkeeper | YOUR use case. You told literally "purge me foo, but leave bar installed". |
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| 22:10.14 | cafuego | scwizard: May I tell you about 'apt-get remove' ? |
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| 22:10.41 | scwizard | if you think it will answer my question |
| 22:10.42 | ingens | slingr: Just rechecked: No opportunity to disable floppy in BIOS. |
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| 22:11.24 | slingr | hrm |
| 22:11.41 | cafuego | scwizard: If I apt-get remove 'apache2.2-common' or 'apache2-mpm-prefork' it happily removes apache and doesn't try to reinstall things afterwards. |
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| 22:11.46 | ingens | BenNZ: My problem is that the installer hangs, I don't get a working system. Or did you mean running this command on one of the terminals during installation? |
| 22:11.57 | slingr | i'm passing out right now. only suggest i have other than keep looking is, you could use a lenny install and then do a dist-upgrade |
| 22:12.03 | scwizard | oh ok, so why is the behavior different when you apt-get purge? |
| 22:12.16 | cafuego | scwizard: I never run apt-get purge |
| 22:12.44 | BenNZ | ingens: run the command before installing |
| 22:12.48 | cafuego | scwizard: Well, that's not entirely true, I on occassion run it to clean up stuff in 'rc' state. |
| 22:13.01 | scwizard | yeah that's when it's generally run |
| 22:13.34 | cafuego | scwizard: ANyway, maybe aptitude would be a good alternative, it's a bit clevere about depends and will ask you what to do if there is more than one way to skin a cat. |
| 22:13.42 | lasers` | Hi. I'm trying to use git for first time. I'm curious about ~/.gitconfig (or ~/.git/config)? Is one of the file/path outdated? |
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| 22:13.59 | cafuego | lasers`: No, both are current |
| 22:14.15 | cafuego | lasers`: ~/.gitconfig is your user's config file for git. |
| 22:14.27 | cafuego | lasers`: ~/.git/config is the config file for the git repo in ~ |
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| 22:15.15 | cafuego | lasers`: The former contains your settings (name, email, etc) and the latter contains information about the repository, like remotes etc. |
| 22:15.43 | lasers` | cafuego: Ah I see. Ty ty. |
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| 22:16.37 | ingens | BenNZ: You mean booting the installer, change to a console during the initial questions, run "modprobe floppy", change back to install and proceed? I just tried that, unfortunately it doesn't improve things. |
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| 22:17.33 | BenNZ | ingens: yes thats what i meant try rmmod floppy |
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| 22:21.36 | cafuego | BenNZ: That only makes sense if you then blacklist floppy, it it'll just reload |
| 22:21.40 | overflow_0f8b | so what is your opinion, is it worth to buy an SSD for a computer, or just rely on linux's caching for /, or setup a / on ramdisk and just copy system to there from a HDD like an advanced bootcd? |
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| 22:22.15 | cafuego | overflow_0f8b: What computer? Doing what? |
| 22:22.35 | dondelelcaro | overflow_0f8b: unless you're doing something odd, there's no point in an SSD for most of the OS. |
| 22:22.44 | overflow_0f8b | workstation, and usually 24/7 operation |
| 22:22.57 | cafuego | overflow_0f8b: So boot speed doesn't matter |
| 22:22.58 | BenNZ | cafuego: yeh i was wondering that myself |
| 22:23.04 | ingens | BenNZ: rmmod is not available. "modprobe -r floppy" gives "FATAL: Module floppy is in use." |
| 22:23.09 | overflow_0f8b | cafuego<< yes, but performance is a high measure |
| 22:23.20 | dondelelcaro | overflow_0f8b: but performance of what? |
| 22:23.30 | cafuego | overflow_0f8b: Sure. But what does it *do* ? |
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| 22:23.44 | BenNZ | ingens: the only other thing i can suggest is to unplug it from the motherboard |
| 22:23.55 | ingens | BenNZ: I also tried the following: restart installation, as the first thing change the console and do "modprobe -r floppy", then it works. Unfortunately, later-on it is reloaded. |
| 22:23.56 | cafuego | overflow_0f8b: I mean, I put an SSD in my netbook and I'm never ever going back to HDD in a laptop, but .. :-) |
| 22:24.20 | bmomjian | If I install/enable Xen for testing, will removing it put my system back to its initial state, or does Xen in some way not fully remove? |
| 22:24.35 | bmomjian | I need to test Xen and KVM for a talk I am giving |
| 22:24.58 | cafuego | bmomjian: Removing xen and its kernels it will cause grub to regenerate xen-free list of bootup options |
| 22:25.37 | bmomjian | ok, that's what I was hoping. When I saw xen modifying grub, I got concerned that I was doing something that would leave my system in a mess |
| 22:25.39 | ingens | BenNZ: Ahh, I start to like that solution... I will try on for a bit; would be too sad to loose the nice old laptop this way. Anyway, thank you very much for taking your time! |
| 22:25.41 | cafuego | overflow_0f8b: an SSD is helpful where a VERY SLOW DISK is causing you IO bottlenecks |
| 22:26.00 | BenNZ | ingens: no problem |
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| 22:26.11 | cafuego | bmomjian: Nah, it's fine. I did a install/remove xen and install kvm earlier this week. |
| 22:26.19 | overflow_0f8b | boot time does not matter though, but if it can be precached at boot, then it's good, also, an SSD has limited number of WRITES compared to a few extra gigabytes of memory, and is slower |
| 22:26.24 | scwizard | the php5 cgi package, that's for php5 with fastcgi right? |
| 22:26.30 | bmomjian | ah, great to know, thanks. I feel much more confident now |
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| 22:26.44 | bmomjian | I really prefer kvm, but need to test Xen to say I tested it |
| 22:26.46 | cafuego | overflow_0f8b: Sure. It also just plugs in and works without any modifications to the system |
| 22:27.03 | cafuego | overflow_0f8b: Putting / on tmpfs seems just ... odd. |
| 22:27.10 | overflow_0f8b | no, ramfs. |
| 22:27.16 | cafuego | still |
| 22:27.18 | overflow_0f8b | and no swap. |
| 22:27.32 | cafuego | So what does this workstation actually do |
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| 22:27.49 | cafuego | Analyse data? Compile? Downlaod pron? |
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| 22:28.26 | overflow_0f8b | data manipulation, image/vectorgraphic manipulations |
| 22:28.52 | cafuego | The latter stikes me as more cpu bound than io. |
| 22:28.58 | cafuego | The former .. shrug, no idea. |
| 22:29.05 | overflow_0f8b | batch jobs that require system libraries/binaries to load |
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| 22:29.42 | cafuego | They'll be cached though, surely. |
| 22:29.45 | overflow_0f8b | i can see no benefit of using an SSD if i load everything in RAM ;/ |
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| 22:30.13 | cafuego | RAM does away when the power fails, an SSD does not. There's your big advantage |
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| 22:30.53 | cafuego | But if you're not writing data to that SSD, there doesn't seem to bm to be that much point. |
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| 22:31.55 | overflow_0f8b | cafuego<< there is about nothing that need to be modified on /usr /lib on a completely installed system, unless you need updates |
| 22:32.22 | cafuego | overflow_0f8b: I mean writing data to ~/output or whatever |
| 22:33.14 | overflow_0f8b | cafuego<< /home does not need to reside in ram, you can mount /home to different location than / |
| 22:33.26 | cafuego | overflow_0f8b: I know this |
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| 22:34.46 | anigma | I'm running pure-ftpd with virtual users on mysql, and when I delete an entry (a user) from my database I still can connect to FTP with that user. How come? |
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| 22:38.12 | scwizard | This is a RAID status update from mpt-statusd. The mpt-status program reports that one of the RAIDs changed state <- I keep getting this, I'm on a virtual machine, what does this mean? |
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| 22:39.00 | cafuego | scwizard: Probably that you should uninstall mpt-status |
| 22:39.05 | cafuego | .. on that VM. |
| 22:39.39 | cafuego | Or is the dom0 emulating an LSI SCSI ctroller for you? |
| 22:39.44 | gnugr | anigma: did you restart database after deleting user? |
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| 22:40.07 | anigma | gnugr: restart MySQL? |
| 22:40.08 | scwizard | it's vmware sucky edition |
| 22:40.19 | gnugr | anigma: yes |
| 22:40.33 | scwizard | I have no idea what it's doing :/ |
| 22:40.36 | cafuego | scwizard: Huh.. yeah i think that emulates an LSI controller. |
| 22:40.56 | scwizard | so it emulates one that keeps changing state, which makes mpt-status freakout? |
| 22:41.13 | anigma | gnugr: no, I tried restaring pure-ftpd but not MySQL. I'm gonna do that now! :) |
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| 22:42.43 | cafuego | scwizard: Looks like that app mails about status changes when there's no raid array present. Just uninstall it., |
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| 22:42.56 | scwizard | ok I'll do that |
| 22:43.19 | cafuego | just got email from it after installing |
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| 22:43.28 | cafuego | "This is a RAID status update from mpt-statusd. The mpt-status program reports that one of the RAIDs changed state:" |
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| 22:45.11 | ksuhku | heh |
| 22:45.57 | anigma | gnugr: no, that didn't actually work. |
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| 22:48.28 | s7r | can i configure a debian dedicated server dual stack with both ipv4 and ipv6 on it to let me make a ssh tunnel via ipv4 and access the ipv6 internet? some kind of 6in4 tunnel ? |
| 22:48.33 | s7r | is it possible on debian? |
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| 22:49.49 | Dagger3 | I expect `ssh -D` will work |
| 22:50.06 | Dagger3 | or tunneling openvpn over an ssh port forward |
| 22:50.13 | s7r | Dagger3: how will a tunnel with ipv4 at both sides give me ipv6 connectivity as long as at my side there is no ipv6 at all ... |
| 22:50.33 | s7r | how can i tunnel openvpn over an ssh port forward? |
| 22:51.27 | Dagger3 | ssh's -D gives you a SOCKS proxy; you use that |
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| 22:51.51 | Dagger3 | for openvpn use -L and use openvpn in TCP mode |
| 22:52.44 | s7r | i don't understand |
| 22:52.47 | s7r | will this make me a dual stack also ? |
| 22:52.50 | s7r | i have only v4 i repeat |
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| 22:54.23 | Dagger3 | with -D, no, it just gives you a SOCKS proxy that you access over v4. if the server has v4 and v6 then you can use the proxy to connect to v4 or v6 hosts as you wish |
| 22:54.45 | s7r | the server has v4 and v6 but i have only v4. |
| 22:55.04 | s7r | i put 127.0.0.1:7770 as socks in firefox and voila, i can reach ipv6 hosts ? |
| 22:55.38 | Dagger3 | and run `ssh -D7770`, yes, that should work |
| 22:56.25 | s7r | the debian box will know to encapsulate the 6packets into 4 ? |
| 22:56.37 | s7r | i thought i need to configure it to act as a router for 6in4 packet transaltion |
| 22:58.56 | Dagger3 | if you're going the `ssh -D` route, there is no packet translation; there's a proxy running on the dual-stacked server |
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| 22:59.33 | Dagger3 | you connect to it over v4 and it connects out via v(whichever it needs to), and it pipes data between the two connections |
| 22:59.52 | s7r | Dagger3: i understand your indications . many thanks. but i fail to understand how an ipv6 packet from the ipv6 remote server which i will access via the socks proxy will reach my ipv4 only machine ... |
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| 23:00.41 | cafuego | s7r: Your mahine will talk ipv4 to the server. The server (the SOCKS proxy) can talk v4 OR v6 to whatever you're trying to access. |
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| 23:01.01 | oZ__ | Wow dioz is a turd. |
| 23:01.03 | cafuego | s7r: I expect a local 6to4 tunnel will be easier :-) |
| 23:01.21 | cafuego | Or choose an ISP with native ipv6 |
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| 23:01.33 | Dagger3 | or Teredo. Teredo is very easy when it actually works |
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| 23:01.56 | innociv | Rackspace sure is expensive as hell. |
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| 23:04.04 | gribouille | hi |
| 23:04.13 | s7r | cafuego: so if i try to reach an ipv6 host via the socks proxy, my comp will talk to the socks server via ipv4 and the socks server will talk to the final destination ipv6, and will automatically transmit ipv4 back to me ? |
| 23:04.21 | s7r | did i got it right ? |
| 23:04.24 | gribouille | I try to unmount a device, but umout says the device is busy. neither lsof nor fuser report anything about the device. how can I know what's happening? |
| 23:05.12 | cafuego | s7r: Nearly. |
| 23:05.23 | cafuego | the socks server *may* talk to the final destination ipv6 |
| 23:06.28 | cafuego | s7r: Whether it will depends on how SOCKS works, if the clients sends a request for a connection with a remote IP (rather than a name) it'll probably end up using ipv4 regardless |
| 23:06.38 | s7r | cafuego: sorry for not including in context.. IF the final destination is ipv6 only - not dual stack |
| 23:06.39 | cafuego | s7r: I guess that's easy enough to test, though |
| 23:06.46 | scwizard | what's a sensible way to create a random sha256 checksum? |
| 23:07.24 | robokop | scwizard: a random checksum? |
| 23:07.32 | scwizard | yeah I know it's silly |
| 23:07.52 | cafuego | scwizard: dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1k count=1 | sha256sum |
| 23:08.13 | scwizard | oh so the program is called sha256sum in debian |
| 23:08.22 | cafuego | I prefer uiuidgen for randomish strings |
| 23:08.26 | cafuego | uuidgen even |
| 23:08.56 | cafuego | scwizard: type 'sha' in the shell and then hit tab twice for options |
| 23:09.30 | gribouille | I try to unmount a device, but umout says the device is busy. neither lsof nor fuser report anything about the device. how can I know what's happening? |
| 23:10.41 | gribouille | it is incredible that I can't know what prevents a device from beeing unmounted |
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| 23:14.37 | zykotick9 | gribouille: if you using Ubuntu, keep your questions in #ubuntu |
| 23:15.14 | gribouille | zykotick9, I'm also using debian |
| 23:16.16 | zykotick9 | gribouille: sorry, i see you actually asked here first. So, is it ubuntu or debian you are having this problem with? Use whatever support channel the issue actually exists in. |
| 23:17.56 | gribouille | the problem happens actually on ubuntu, but it isn't ubuntu specific, and the ubuntu support channel isn't good |
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| 23:19.09 | babilen | gribouille: Reproduce it on Debian and you are welcome here. You know the drill: Take Ubuntu question to #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server |
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| 23:21.23 | Iridos | shubidu |
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| 23:22.41 | Iridos | often useful to run fuser/lsof as root |
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| 23:26.14 | scwizard | [Fri Feb 17 17:18:45 2012] [notice] child pid 4260 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) <- I hope I never ever ever ever see this again |
| 23:26.30 | scwizard | I didn't throw a chair, but the thought went through my mind |
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| 23:27.56 | Iridos | no worries... unlikely it'll ever be pid 4260 anytime soon |
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| 23:39.42 | eoke | Hi, I've got a Debian 6 machine with a single disk /dev/sda however when I add additional disks the boot disk becomes /deb/sdb any idea how I can prevent this from happening? |
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| 23:43.35 | babilen | eoke: You can't really ... What you should do is to reference disks by <uuid> or filesystem label. (/msg dpkg uuid) |
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| 23:46.40 | eoke | babilen, I was just a little surprised to see this happening. It's not causing any problems as such and you don't seem to surprised by it so I'll just leave it be. Thanks for your help. |
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