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| 00:00.18 | thewanderer1 | and you start it how? |
| 00:00.18 | cardamon | Because by the "default" conf, it's quite enabled. |
| 00:00.34 | qrq | Is Debian Testing the same stable as Ubuntu stable releases? :) |
| 00:00.38 | Furao | I started linux with slackware in 1994 I'm used to those low-level tricks... but in 2012 there is gnome and something to set keyboard in the settings... well thanks I'll look elsewhere |
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| 00:01.41 | truehumandesign | ui :D |
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| 00:06.16 | rofer | Anyone have any suggestions on getting pm-suspend working? It worked for a while on my laptop, then I updated a whole bunch of stuff and it's suddenly broken. Pretty sure it's a matter of having the wrong quirks set, but I have no idea how to figure out which ones I need. |
| 00:07.36 | warddr | Hello, I just transfered my postfix + dovecot to another server (moved config files and ./var/mail ) and everything works fine, all the mail in the inbox is there, but I don't see a sent items and deleted items and .... How do I transfer those directory's? |
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| 00:14.41 | cardamon | I'm having some trouble understanding mpd. It doesn't appear to like the bind_to_address "localhost" line in its conf. Running the daemon gives the error "Failed to bind to '127.0.0.1:6600': Address already in use" That's what was in the /etc/mpd.conf though. I don't really know much about networking stuff. |
| 00:15.44 | Vasistha | cardamon: well in case you are not aware, 127.0.0.1 is synonymous with localhost - they are the same |
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| 00:15.58 | Vasistha | I am not sure if that helps but it is at least one thing I can say for sure :) |
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| 00:16.09 | cardamon | Vasistha: I am aware of that much. |
| 00:16.21 | Vasistha | haha okay that's good |
| 00:16.56 | cardamon | It doesn't really. The bind_to_address is where the daemon listens for controls. So why would localhost be wrong? |
| 00:18.15 | Vasistha | could some other service be listening on port 6600? |
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| 00:25.37 | spersaud | whats wrong with this line ? |
| 00:25.39 | spersaud | deb http://security.debian.org/debian squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 00:25.46 | spersaud | whats the purpose of seuciryt ? |
| 00:26.03 | cardamon | ......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... |
| 00:26.10 | spersaud | cardamon: ..........ddddddddddddddddssssssssssssssssssssssssss |
| 00:26.20 | spersaud | I feel like pulling my hair out too |
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| 00:27.33 | dondelelcaro | spersaud: it contains security updates which haven't been put in a point release. |
| 00:27.59 | spersaud | dondelelcaro: is that correct ? |
| 00:28.07 | spersaud | dondelelcaro: what I have there |
| 00:28.50 | dondelelcaro | spersaud: looks fine if you're running squeeze. |
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| 00:29.28 | spersaud | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 00:29.29 | spersaud | yes |
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| 00:30.46 | cardamon | sorry |
| 00:31.01 | cardamon | keyboardfell |
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| 00:58.41 | Vasistha | spersaud: I don't think you want that /debian after .org |
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| 01:02.58 | spersaud | Vasistha: ok thanks |
| 01:03.32 | sivsivrogo1 | which is a better processor AMD Quad-Core A6-3420M 1.5 gz vs Intel® 2nd Generation Core i3 2.3 Gz |
| 01:03.45 | haole | hello there... i'm trying to setup a simple FAI server with debian, but i'm failing to mount my filesystem with NFS in the client... i get the following error message: mount call failed : server replied: permission denied... how do i debug this? |
| 01:03.57 | technologov_ | Intel |
| 01:04.28 | technologov_ | reason: most work-loads are single thread (ST). |
| 01:04.33 | sivsivrogo1 | technologov_, why do you say that AMD has 4 cores |
| 01:04.42 | technologov_ | and Intel is about 30% faster clock-for-clock |
| 01:05.08 | technologov_ | Quad-core = 4 cores |
| 01:05.23 | technologov_ | Intel Core i3 = 2 cores + 2 virtual cores (HT) |
| 01:05.29 | technologov_ | AMD Quad-core = 4 cores |
| 01:05.43 | technologov_ | but Intel is about 30% faster clock-for-clock |
| 01:05.59 | technologov_ | 2.3 GHz Intel = 3+ GHz for AMD. |
| 01:06.06 | Talon_ | in my opinion, intel has a wide range of processors based on the tasks you may wish to do, true intel runs better in most cases but AMD is more well rounded, it may not be the best at anything but its darn good at everything, intel is very good at specifics and not so hot for all around. but thats just my opinion. |
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| 01:07.04 | technologov_ | If you can find a _strong_ AMD CPU at a good price -- it is worth a shot. |
| 01:07.09 | Vasistha | Talon_: how do you reach a conclusion like that? is it from experience with workloads or reading others' opinions? |
| 01:07.32 | Talon_ | experiance, I have intel machines I use soley for video processing |
| 01:07.41 | Talon_ | i3 is darn good at that |
| 01:07.55 | Vasistha | ah, interesting |
| 01:08.10 | technologov_ | Y, Core i3 is pretty good at the low-end sector. |
| 01:08.10 | Vasistha | I guess intel knows their market. I met apple uses those. |
| 01:08.15 | Vasistha | s/met/bet/ |
| 01:08.16 | Talon_ | my do-it-all machine is an AMD |
| 01:08.51 | technologov_ | Again -- if there is a good AMD for cheap - it may be worth it for a low-end PC/laptop |
| 01:09.02 | Talon_ | I got an AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ and its a darn good lil workhorse |
| 01:09.08 | technologov_ | For high-end it is 100% Intel. |
| 01:09.18 | technologov_ | <-- Intel Core i7 2600K here |
| 01:09.40 | Talon_ | yea, prolly cost you a bit but the i7 is nice, its like the best of i3 and i5 in one |
| 01:10.30 | technologov_ | also AMD offer much better graphics -- so if you buy a laptop - maybe AMD A8 is an option |
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| 01:10.54 | technologov_ | (for desktop -- doesn't matter -- you can swap graphics to anything you like) |
| 01:11.30 | technologov_ | For high-end laptop / desktop - Intel is the way to go. |
| 01:12.08 | sivsivrogo1 | thanks guys i checked the benchmarks for intel icore 3 they are better than amd a6 |
| 01:12.41 | Talon_ | those benchmarks show statistics of various aspects? or just one test? |
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| 01:15.52 | portern500 | How would one server /root/foldingathome/Myfolding.html with apache2? |
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| 01:21.39 | cardamon | Is /var/ temporary stuff? |
| 01:22.07 | dwfreed | cardamon: not all of it, but a decent portion is |
| 01:22.19 | cardamon | dwfreed: is it cleared regularly? |
| 01:22.23 | dwfreed | no |
| 01:22.34 | cardamon | okay. That satisfies my question. |
| 01:22.58 | dwfreed | Something might go through and flush /var/tmp on boot or shutdown, maybe, but other than that, it's not touched |
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| 01:23.44 | haole | hello there... i'm trying to boot some debian through pxe boot but when the client tries to mount its filesystem with nfs, i get the following error: mount call failed - server replied: permission denied... what could be wrong? how do i debug this? |
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| 01:26.17 | haole | it was a typo in /etc/exports... thanks |
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| 01:34.52 | Vasistha | portern500: I usually ln -s it from /var/www |
| 01:35.41 | Vasistha | portern500: if your user www-data does not have access to the folder then it won't work, though |
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| 01:51.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 01:52.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | was wondering if there is a doc ab out upgrading from lenny to squeeze out there? |
| 01:52.51 | Vasistha | !lenny->squeeze |
| 01:53.06 | kgoetz | try with spaces (: |
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| 01:53.41 | Vasistha | weird |
| 01:53.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
| 01:53.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | i see it |
| 01:53.53 | Vasistha | !tell Eryn_1983_FL about lenny->squeeze |
| 01:53.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | got it |
| 01:54.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | so thats the best way? |
| 01:54.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | i luv debian its so easy :) |
| 01:54.19 | Vasistha | yeah |
| 01:54.36 | Vasistha | I just upgraded last week and am very happy to be back with the stable version |
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| 01:56.02 | Vasistha | ...although I actually did a fresh install on a new hard drive, I wanted to ditch some of the old cruft from lenny, etch, and sarge days |
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| 02:09.31 | micoym | hola |
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| 02:10.01 | Satra | so hers the problem |
| 02:10.11 | Satra | deleted /usr/share/wicd by mistake |
| 02:10.32 | Satra | wanted to delete the pixmaps folder |
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| 02:10.53 | Satra | anyways, i just did apt-get remove wicd |
| 02:11.10 | Satra | and then apt-get install wicd and the folder does not come back |
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| 02:11.20 | Satra | and wicd still isnt working |
| 02:11.23 | Satra | suggestions ? |
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| 02:18.39 | aaaaaaassssssssa | السلام عليكم انا اول مره ادخل اي ار سي |
| 02:18.47 | aaaaaaassssssssa | في عرب هنا او لا!! |
| 02:22.27 | Satra | feee |
| 02:22.33 | Satra | sho bedk ? |
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| 02:29.23 | hikenboot | does the debian appliance builder still exist for squeeze and above? |
| 02:29.40 | hikenboot | or is there a replacement |
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| 02:36.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps whats dependency-based sequencing ??? |
| 02:36.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | is that the upstart crud? |
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| 02:37.34 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there every one ..... i want to add some language to my gnome system ... how can i ? ( i cant find language settings in the system panel ) |
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| 02:38.19 | portern500 | apache2 won't let me configure and install a worpress blog after changing documentroot variable |
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| 02:51.11 | haole | hello there... i'm trying to setup a pxe booting environment with FAI for installation, but i'm getting this annoying error: mount.nfs: mount system call failed. - this is very hard to debug because i don't know which command is being used to try this mount... what could be wrong in errors like this one? |
| 02:52.12 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... cant seem to find any l10n packages for gnome to change the system font ... any help ? |
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| 03:23.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps nagios3 is having issue after upgrade any ideas on what apace2 is doing ? nagios3 is sending me this error [client 192.168.1.201] Directory index forbidden |
| 03:23.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | /usr/share/nagios3/htdocs/ << its like it cant read the dir.. |
| 03:23.36 | technologov_ | hi, -- this image -- what it contains ? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-update-6.0.3-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 03:23.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Jan 14 21:57 htdocs |
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| 03:34.21 | simonlnu | !cd contents |
| 03:34.21 | dpkg | To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/). |
| 03:34.26 | simonlnu | technologov_: ^^^^ |
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| 03:35.02 | technologov_ | thx |
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| 03:37.44 | technologov_ | "update" discs means from 6.0.2 ? |
| 03:38.16 | technologov_ | debian-update-6.0.3-i386-DVD-1.list.gz and debian-6.0.3-i386-DVD-1.list.gz |
| 03:38.20 | technologov_ | have same packages |
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| 03:38.37 | technologov_ | so this is not proposed updates for 6.0.4 then... |
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| 03:38.52 | vagothcpp | good thing i stopped downloading when you said then |
| 03:39.49 | technologov_ | I'm not sure 100%... just seems so... |
| 03:40.23 | technologov_ | vagothcpp, in general the "updates" are not needed for offline systems, unless it fixes your bugs (IMO) |
| 03:40.52 | vagothcpp | well i'll just do online updating if i require it and when i can do it |
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| 03:41.39 | technologov_ | vagothcpp, don't. It will break your offline repo |
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| 03:42.02 | technologov_ | Just do "delta ISO" once in 6 months or 1 year |
| 03:42.07 | vagothcpp | technologov_, completely? |
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| 03:42.52 | vagothcpp | so in truth, if i really require an update, should build from source then? |
| 03:43.36 | technologov_ | vagothcpp, y. |
| 03:43.54 | technologov_ | vagothcpp, or you can download few backports from the net |
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| 03:44.02 | technologov_ | just do do full update |
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| 03:44.26 | technologov_ | breaking offline repo is a bad idea |
| 03:45.00 | vagothcpp | technologov_, what about updating by hand with dpkg? |
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| 03:45.14 | technologov_ | few packages - OK. |
| 03:45.18 | sae-boulot | hello |
| 03:45.18 | technologov_ | If many - it is bad |
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| 03:45.42 | technologov_ | many = > 10 is bad |
| 03:45.44 | vagothcpp | technologov_, just for major needed feature adds or fatal bugs |
| 03:45.56 | technologov_ | ye |
| 03:46.15 | technologov_ | hi ae |
| 03:46.17 | technologov_ | sae |
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| 03:50.01 | sae-boulot | i'm curious about some stuffs in squeeze |
| 03:50.17 | sae-boulot | is there any backport of gnome 3 for it ? |
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| 03:51.15 | sae-boulot | and I remeber back in the days when I was familiar with the debian like distribs there was a website when we could build our own source.list |
| 03:51.33 | sae-boulot | do this kind of website still exist ? |
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| 03:52.47 | technologov_ | here is full list for 6.0: http://packages.debian.org/stable/allpackages?format=txt.gz |
| 03:52.54 | vagothcpp | curiously, WoE is a backport? |
| 03:52.58 | technologov_ | backports here, but no full list |
| 03:52.58 | technologov_ | http://backports-master.debian.org/ |
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| 04:00.48 | sae-boulot | thanks technologov_ |
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| 04:01.28 | vagothcpp | nvm, thanks google |
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| 04:02.32 | h4ckm3 | Anyone familiar with remastersys? |
| 04:04.30 | NikLP | anyone got any tips for configuring msmtp? :/ |
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| 04:08.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | GRRRR |
| 04:08.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | this is so frustrating |
| 04:09.33 | vagothcpp | Eryn_1983_FL, whats the prob? |
| 04:09.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | dang apache2 and nagios3 not workin |
| 04:10.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | all i did was upgrade now premission denied on the directory the html files are in for nagios. |
| 04:10.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | other webpage works fine. going to pasebin the logs etc configs in a sec |
| 04:10.23 | vagothcpp | i faced permission problems on my internal server recently |
| 04:10.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | cat 000-default | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us |
| 04:10.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://sprunge.us/iTHG |
| 04:10.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | there is the apache2.conf |
| 04:11.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | nagios3.conf http://sprunge.us/jUib |
| 04:11.25 | vagothcpp | Eryn_1983_FL, name based virtual host or ip based? |
| 04:11.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | should be named based. |
| 04:11.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | its sername/nagios3 :) |
| 04:12.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am going right off the server no proxying from the other hosts.. |
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| 04:12.52 | vagothcpp | the malfunctioning directory, is it part of the default virtual host or on its own? |
| 04:13.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | its own? |
| 04:13.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | cat 000-default | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us |
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| 04:13.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://sprunge.us/AJNW |
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| 04:14.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | thats the erro apache complains about |
| 04:14.20 | vagothcpp | trying to remember how i fixed my permissions problem... one min |
| 04:14.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://sprunge.us/haYN |
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| 04:14.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://sprunge.us/XZVg |
| 04:14.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | the directories ^ |
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| 04:15.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | i did check to see if it was inclufing the config file and what not in the indexes it seems to be. |
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| 04:17.16 | vagothcpp | -rw-r--r-- == 644? im not to good with perms liket that |
| 04:17.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
| 04:18.45 | vagothcpp | can the parent directory be read b the weberver without error? |
| 04:19.02 | vagothcpp | s/b/be s/weberver/webserver |
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| 04:19.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | not sure it dosnt go to the upper directory |
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| 04:19.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | dosn't |
| 04:20.39 | vagothcpp | well my permission problems were caused by the parent directory permissions, so stat your parent directory permissions |
| 04:21.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | rwx-rx-rx |
| 04:21.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | for /usr/share/nagios3/ same for htdocs :( |
| 04:23.00 | vagothcpp | Eryn_1983_FL, i have not got a clue, but next i go home, i'll copy my configs and perms to see if it gives you any insights |
| 04:23.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok thanks :) |
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| 04:28.59 | vagothcpp | Eryn_1983_FL, won't be until tomorrow though, sorry |
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| 04:30.10 | f3xius | can you "cross-compile" a terminfo? I want to copy a terminfo from my debian box to SunOS 5.10 |
| 04:30.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
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| 04:37.45 | Coded1 | hello all |
| 04:39.49 | Coded1 | I was playing with openarena on a dual monitor setup and xrandr to delegate the screens. running OpenArena shuts down my primary 1080p screen and opens up on my 15" which sucks... any way of fixing that? |
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| 04:44.36 | GTRsdk | how do I get audio on my Mac to work? |
| 04:45.05 | technologov_ | Which Debian do you run ? |
| 04:45.13 | technologov_ | and which Mac ? |
| 04:45.15 | GTRsdk | Wheezy |
| 04:45.22 | GTRsdk | PowerMac 7,2 |
| 04:45.28 | h4ckm3 | Anyone familiar with remastersys? |
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| 04:51.49 | jelly-home | !ppc |
| 04:51.49 | dpkg | PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>, <ppc64>, <macsound>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:51.50 | thederpherder | Any DNS wizards in here today? I need some help with my conf. I'm learning DNS and setting up a Class-A network. I can resolv the names I assigned to the machines on my domain but am unable to hit anything like google from anything but the NDS box |
| 04:51.52 | Raccoon1400 | anyone have the sources.lst line for the backports repo? I need to update flash player but the version I need is in the testing repo |
| 04:52.11 | jelly-home | GTRsdk: try the more specific channel. |
| 04:52.41 | technologov_ | Raccoon1400, deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main |
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| 04:53.02 | jelly-home | GTRsdk: and maybe also /msg dpkg macsound |
| 04:53.18 | GTRsdk | jelly-home, I'm in there and already asked and waiting for an answer. I was just hoping someone here would know the magic trick to get it working. |
| 04:53.19 | GTRsdk | Okay. |
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| 04:55.48 | Raccoon1400 | now I get this error: http://pastebin.com/Sw3KRuFT |
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| 04:57.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | um where is pam-auth-update:??? |
| 04:57.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | and why does is libpamssh complaining about it not being there.. |
| 04:58.04 | Raccoon1400 | fixed the error but it still didn't find a newer version of flash |
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| 05:14.09 | sae-boulot | !ia64 |
| 05:14.09 | dpkg | Intel Itanium Architecture (formerly IA-64) is Intel's *other* 64-bit architecture. Itanium processors are primarily found in HP Integrity servers and are supported by Debian's ia64 port (http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/). It is not the same as the AMD64 / Intel 64 / x86-64 chips used in PCs, ask me about <amd64>. |
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| 05:52.09 | recur | Thanks babilen and gnarface : I was able to figure out my dpkg exec format error problem with your help |
| 05:56.43 | _live | freebsd: /boot/kernel/*ko debian: /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/*/*ko freebsd allows us to download compiled modules as a gzip'd tarball. does debian allow something similar? where to find them? apologies i'm a debian noob. |
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| 06:04.59 | samba35 | http://pastebin.com/dgVPFLkZ |
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| 06:12.02 | simonlnu | linux_probe: linux-image packages. they include the kernel |
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| 06:12.33 | simonlnu | linux_probe: sorry, ETAB |
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| 06:13.09 | alazare619 | anyone know how i can eject my cd rom drive... |
| 06:13.15 | alazare619 | pretty sure my son broke my button... |
| 06:13.25 | simonlnu | eject command |
| 06:13.39 | alazare619 | whats that? |
| 06:13.42 | alazare619 | eject /dev/sdc? |
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| 06:13.49 | simonlnu | you type eject in a terminal |
| 06:14.11 | simonlnu | only need to specify device if you have more than one |
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| 06:17.52 | alazare619 | will that work even if no disk is in there |
| 06:18.01 | alazare619 | its outputing unable to locate device... |
| 06:18.47 | linux_probe | o_O |
| 06:18.55 | linux_probe | ahh, tab fails |
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| 06:21.39 | samba35 | after adding php5 |
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| 06:23.12 | samba35 | yes |
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| 07:07.49 | kingsley | How would you diagnose a bug that causes a newly upgraded unstable box to mount its root filesystem as read only? |
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| 07:08.27 | kingsley | As you might imagine, /var/log/messages is unhelpful because its filesystem is read-only. |
| 07:08.54 | kingsley | I found no clues in dmesg's output. |
| 07:09.21 | kingsley | The root filesystem can be remounted with he command ... |
| 07:09.51 | kingsley | $ mount -n -o remount -t ext3 /dev/hda(x) / |
| 07:10.42 | kingsley | Two error messages appeared on the console, which may be relevant... |
| 07:11.09 | kingsley | mount: mounting udev on /dev/ failed: No such device |
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| 07:11.29 | kingsley | I suspect that happens because the filesystem was mounted read only. |
| 07:11.43 | kingsley | The second error message is... |
| 07:12.02 | kingsley | modprobe: module unix not found in modules.dep. |
| 07:12.45 | kingsley | so, that's what I think I know. |
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| 07:27.58 | yoshio | kingsley: type 'mount' - I have: udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) on squeeze, and a /dev/.udev (note the period), along with .initramfs and .initramfs-tools in /dev |
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| 07:29.13 | yoshio | kingsley: and I have the directories db/ links/ queue.bin rules.d/ tags/ watch/ in /dev/.udev (queue.bin is a file) |
| 07:30.54 | kingsley | yoshio: Should we compare what the "mount" command reports on our computers, and what's in /dev? |
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| 07:33.06 | yoshio | kingsley: i have for mount: tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755) -- proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) -- sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) -- udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) -- tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) -- devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620) -- binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
| 07:33.37 | yoshio | kingsley: does 'mount udev' do anything? |
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| 07:37.27 | kingsley | yoshio: "mount udev" returned nothing. |
| 07:40.30 | yoshio | kingsley, sorry. I looked at /etc/init.d/udev, it doesn't like being invoked from an interactive shell |
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| 07:43.00 | yoshio | kingsley: I looked in /etc/rcS.d - when the system boots, it boots init scripts in this order. mountkernfs.sh gets invoked before udev |
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| 07:44.06 | kingsley | yoshio: Do you think my udev error might be caused by only having read access to the root filesystem? |
| 07:46.13 | yoshio | kingsley: i thought the system boots up read-only, then gets remounted read-write |
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| 07:47.28 | kingsley | yoshio: Yes, my vague recollection is that, under normal circumstances, the file system is temporarily mounted read-only, and if all goes well, made writable soon after. |
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| 07:50.00 | Vasistha | video playback is way slower since I upgraded to squeeze. Could it be because I am using the free radeon driver rather than fglrx ? |
| 07:50.00 | yoshio | kingsley: when did the two error messages appear, when you remounted or before that? |
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| 07:50.57 | yoshio | kingsley: did your mount output match mine? |
| 07:50.58 | kingsley | yoshio: I may owe you an apology for being terse. |
| 07:51.11 | kingsley | yoshio: Here's the sequence of events. |
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| 07:51.59 | kingsley | yoshio: I ran a command like "apt-get upgrade" on a computer running Debian's unstable distribution. |
| 07:52.06 | kingsley | yoshio: I rebooted it. |
| 07:52.25 | kingsley | yoshio: It shut down and restarted. |
| 07:53.09 | kingsley | yoshio: On the way back up, the udev and unix module errors appeared on the console, which paused for several minutes. |
| 07:53.41 | kingsley | yoshio: Eventually, the computer tries to run X, and fails, reporting a non-descript internal error. |
| 07:54.09 | kingsley | yoshio: Then I checked how the root filesystem was mounted by looking in /proc...... |
| 07:54.17 | kingsley | yoshio: It said read only. |
| 07:54.37 | kingsley | yoshio: Then I remounted the root filesystem, with ... |
| 07:54.53 | kingsley | $ mount -n -o remount -t ext3 /dev/hda(x) / |
| 07:55.06 | kingsley | yoshio: Does that make sense? |
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| 07:59.34 | yoshio | kingsley: makes sense. try googling the two errors |
| 08:00.05 | kingsley | yoshio: Yes, I did, but found nothing helpful. |
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| 08:00.53 | kingsley | yoshio: I suspect the udev error, and maybe the unix module error, are consequences of the root filesystem being mounted read only. |
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| 08:03.38 | Mortvert | Hi. I'm having some problems with my ubuntu install - every time i try to apt-get install something - my SSH disconnects me for no apparent reason. |
| 08:04.34 | yoshio | kingsley: I wonder if you have a version mismatch between udev and the kernel. type 'aptitude show udev' and 'uname -a' |
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| 08:06.04 | yoshio | kingsley: on second thought, aptitude won't let you mismatch udev and the kernel |
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| 08:08.14 | yoshio | kingsley: did you try booting from a rescue cd, and then fsck'ing the filesystem(s)? maybe fs errors could cause the mounting as read-only |
| 08:09.46 | kingsley | yoshio: I concede that you may be right. However, I found no errors in dmesg and the root filesystem stopped being mounted writable after upgrading packages. |
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| 08:10.13 | kingsley | yoshio: But to answer your question, no I have not run fsck on the fs. |
| 08:10.43 | kingsley | needs to go soon... |
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| 08:14.33 | yoshio | kingsley: often no errors are displayed until a fs is fsck'ed, the only symptom that appears is a fs that is mounted read-only |
| 08:16.08 | kingsley | yoshio: Oh, I didn't know that. I think I remember seeing fsck fail at boot time, stop the boot, and report an error. |
| 08:17.33 | yoshio | kingsley: after fsck runs and corrects errors, look in the lost+found directory for each mounted fs, files get moved in there |
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| 08:17.51 | kingsley | yoshio: I need to go now. |
| 08:18.00 | kingsley | yoshio: Maybe we can chat later. |
| 08:18.02 | yoshio | kingsley: me too, good luck! |
| 08:18.20 | kingsley | yoshio: Thanks |
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| 09:03.01 | someanon | hello, all |
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| 09:03.38 | technologov_ | hi |
| 09:03.44 | someanon | where can I get some help with Xorg? :) Google can't help me :( |
| 09:04.11 | technologov_ | !ask | someanon |
| 09:04.37 | technologov_ | I can try - no guarantees. |
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| 09:06.42 | someanon | I have laptop (Asus N53Jf) with nVidia Optimus. two videocards (Intel and nVidia). if I run X without config file - it works fine. I have installed nvidia drivers, as described in debian wiki. |
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| 09:07.12 | technologov_ | free or non-free ? |
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| 09:07.23 | someanon | And any xorg.conf I tried (made with X -configure, or nvidia-xconfig, or manual) doesn't work. |
| 09:07.26 | someanon | non-free |
| 09:07.55 | valdyn | someanon: you need to reboot once after installing nvidia drivers or do some stuff manually |
| 09:08.26 | someanon | rebooted about 15-20 times. I'm play with Xorg about 3 days :) |
| 09:08.28 | technologov_ | what doesn't work ? manual config or X at all ? |
| 09:08.36 | someanon | manual config |
| 09:08.45 | someanon | or auto-generated-config. |
| 09:08.54 | someanon | *and |
| 09:09.34 | valdyn | someanon: run nvidia-xconfig -> reboot -> if things don't work and you didnt fuck up something else then the installed nvidia drivers do not support your gfx chip -> you need newer nvidia drivers |
| 09:10.20 | someanon | in 'dmesg' I have: "NVRM: failed to copy vbios to system memory.", and nvidia drivers doesn't load. |
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| 09:11.06 | someanon | maybe, I need to install nvidia from official site, but I think it's not Debian-way. |
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| 09:11.48 | valdyn | someanon: no, you don't need the official installer |
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| 09:13.38 | someanon | ok. anyway, thanks. I'm going to Google again :) |
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| 09:14.48 | mjt | i noticed that all my nfs4 mounts shows "nobody:nogroup" as file ownership, *again*. It worked for some years before. Any idea how to debug it? |
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| 09:16.25 | mjt | but the permissions appears to work fine - ie, it works like the files are actually owned by the right user (as on the server) |
| 09:17.00 | mjt | ie, user nobody can't write files (with permission denied error) even if it is listed as file owner on the client. |
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| 09:25.21 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 09:25.26 | lenswipe | im doing a debian netinstall now |
| 09:25.35 | lenswipe | its installed the base system |
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| 09:25.48 | lenswipe | if i power the machine down can i continue installing the rest of the stuff later? |
| 09:25.56 | lenswipe | i mean can i have it automatically continue? |
| 09:27.25 | someanon | automatically - not sure. |
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| 09:28.29 | lenswipe | its just installing the stuff now like GDM and whatever "Laptop" entails |
| 09:28.46 | lenswipe | someanon, if i stop it in the middle of that will it screw things up? |
| 09:29.12 | mjt | ok, found the reason for nobody:nogroup issue: was different domain in /etc/idmapd.conf. Now the question is why it stopped working - the files are dated Aug-2010 |
| 09:29.45 | mjt | and how to mount shares from two servers if they're in different domains? |
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| 09:31.04 | krumme | hello i like to ask if ther is a "man" like in linux terminal ?? if yes how to install it on my iphone4 |
| 09:32.30 | mjt | krumme: parse error |
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| 09:33.09 | krumme | mjt ?? |
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| 09:35.10 | Harzilein | krumme: i heard apple can't give a custom license to gpled software in the app store and that violates the gpl as they disallow redistribution. |
| 09:35.25 | mjt | linux terminal isn't like a man ;) |
| 09:35.32 | Harzilein | krumme: so i guess that would be one reason you haven't seen groff ported to the iphone yet |
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| 09:35.55 | rainfyre | can someone give me the command to see what video card I have? thank you |
| 09:36.00 | krumme | mjt true but its a uninx clone |
| 09:36.25 | mjt | rainfyre: lspci | grep ideo |
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| 09:36.56 | mjt | rainfyre: or, rather, lspci | grep VGA |
| 09:37.07 | rainfyre | thank you mjt |
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| 09:37.42 | Harzilein | krumme: maybe you can get someone to port the openbsd mandoc + their manpages to ios, their license would allow relicensing with less permissions |
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| 09:38.34 | Harzilein | krumme: but you would only get the manpages from openbsd with that |
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| 09:39.11 | krumme | cuz i dont know if the have a man for ios |
| 09:39.45 | Harzilein | krumme: do you main for jailbreaked phones or "an app" like from the app store? |
| 09:40.25 | Harzilein | krumme: the former maybe, the latter likely not, for the reasons i mentioned. try to get them through an online translator if you don't understand me. |
| 09:40.43 | krumme | my iphone is jailbrak |
| 09:40.57 | krumme | i will love to have it in my terminal |
| 09:41.40 | dserban | Common FAQ with odd cd/dvd rom drive behaviour ... ? ie: automatically closes after an eject? |
| 09:41.43 | Harzilein | krumme: ask in a channel where there are knowledgeable ios people then. they might be able to help you setting it up. |
| 09:41.53 | Harzilein | krumme: this is not really related to debian. |
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| 09:42.37 | krumme | is apt-get not a cmd for debian |
| 09:42.51 | severance | how would I go about installing debian if I don't have a CD drive |
| 09:42.51 | Harzilein | krumme: so? |
| 09:42.54 | severance | ? |
| 09:43.22 | krumme | severance www.unetboot.com |
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| 09:43.32 | severance | Server not found |
| 09:43.36 | krumme | that is why i ask her |
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| 09:44.04 | Harzilein | krumme: come again? |
| 09:44.10 | severance | also, 32 bit or 64 bit? |
| 09:44.15 | krumme | severance http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 09:44.28 | Harzilein | krumme: you are running ios on your phone. not debian. |
| 09:44.46 | krumme | i just think its simi like |
| 09:44.54 | Harzilein | no it isn't |
| 09:44.58 | krumme | oki |
| 09:45.15 | krumme | im a litte novice in linux my selv |
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| 09:46.26 | LiveOs | hello |
| 09:47.03 | Harzilein | krumme: if you want to get the apt source which includes the groff_man source to the apt-get command, you can check it out from nosmart+http://bzr.debian.org/apt/debian-sid/ |
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| 09:47.52 | krumme | my iphone do have apt from start |
| 09:48.01 | Harzilein | krumme: no it didn't |
| 09:48.36 | krumme | i have not install it my self |
| 09:48.42 | Harzilein | krumme: so i'll get out my crystal ball and see that maybe someone ported fink to ios and you installed that when you broke your iphone |
| 09:48.54 | LiveOs | i have been searching in the wiki about debian squeez booting detailes, and i am confused! so my question is "what booting style debian squeez is using", legacy or dependacy boot? thank you... |
| 09:48.58 | severance | are there any drawbacks in installing 64 bit debian vs 32 bit |
| 09:49.08 | krumme | heh :D Harzilein |
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| 09:49.44 | Harzilein | krumme: but fink is not debian and you are way better up contacting the person who installed it, ask him what he installed, finding out if they have an irc channel and ask there for help for installing packages |
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| 09:50.29 | Harzilein | krumme: if whatever you installed does not just allow you to do "apt-get install man" it sounds like you will have serious reading to do |
| 09:50.53 | mjt | it is not man it is man-db |
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| 09:51.58 | mjt | LiveOs: it is "squeeze" not "squeez", and it supports both ways |
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| 09:55.23 | LiveOs | mjt: yeah i know its "squeeze" , sorry for the misspeling, i know it support both, butt what is the default method right after a fresh installation? |
| 09:55.38 | Harzilein | krumme: can you type "apt-cache policy coreutils | grep :// | head -1"? |
| 09:55.47 | Harzilein | krumme: and report on the result? |
| 09:56.12 | Harzilein | krumme: on the iphone of course |
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| 09:58.23 | Harzilein | krumme: alternatively if you can't find the | key, "apt-cache policy coreutils" and reporting the first url it spits out will do |
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| 10:01.28 | Harzilein | krumme: crystal ball^W^Wwikipedia says you are using cydia |
| 10:01.34 | Harzilein | krumme: ask on their channel |
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| 10:05.59 | Harzilein | krumme: http://cydia.saurik.com mentions Freedom #iphone (chat.osx86.hu) and Saurik #iphone (irc.saurik.com) |
| 10:06.23 | mjt | "Opening '/tmp/shot.xwd' failed: XWD-file /tmp/shot.xwd has format 2, depth 32 and bits per pixel 32. Currently this is not supported." |
| 10:06.26 | mjt | sigh |
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| 10:09.04 | Harzilein | mjt: start an xvfb of appropriate size, DISPLAY=:thatxvfb xwud < /tmp/shot.xwd, DISPLAY=:thatxvfb import -window root shot.png? |
| 10:09.21 | Harzilein | mjt: s/,/ ; / |
| 10:09.41 | mjt | i took a screenshot using built-in gimp method |
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| 10:10.07 | mjt | i just used to use xwd, used it for this task for more than 20 years |
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| 10:10.16 | mjt | now it does not work anymore |
| 10:10.24 | Harzilein | mjt: the format is a bit oldschool though |
| 10:10.43 | mjt | (and the whole thing is just to take a screenshot of a bug i'm about to file... ;) |
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| 10:17.00 | Macer | yeah the hurd cd image doesn't allow you to cp to the thumb drive |
| 10:17.06 | Macer | i have to use the linux debian |
| 10:17.08 | Macer | ah well :) |
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| 10:19.45 | Zambezi | I had Debian Multimedia repo activated apparently so sounds laging again. How can I check latest upgraded packages and reinstall the with Debian repo? Some codec lags quite a bit. |
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| 10:20.51 | tremon | zambezi: you can't easily do that. dmo declares a higher epoch so you'll have to track down all packages and downgrade them manually |
| 10:21.28 | Zambezi | tremon: I found the upgraded packages in /var/log/aptitude |
| 10:22.18 | themill | !dmm list |
| 10:22.18 | dpkg | To get a list of all the packages you have installed from debian-multimedia.org: aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' -F'%100p'. Also ask me about <which repo>. |
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| 10:23.01 | tremon | zambezi: ok, then for each package: do apt-cache policy <pkg> and apt-get install <pkg>=<desired-version> |
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| 10:23.31 | tremon | wais for another macro to drop |
| 10:23.54 | Zambezi | themill: I want some packages from the multimedia, but now it's messed up. I should get "too slow computer" watching a video. |
| 10:23.56 | tremon | s/wais/waits/ |
| 10:24.00 | themill | tremon: yeah, that's about the easiest way of doing it, short of monkeying with some pinning and hoping that apt can do it |
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| 10:25.07 | Zambezi | tremon: Ten packages. Multimedia now disabled. |
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| 10:27.45 | Macer | well... finally getting debian onto this artigo |
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| 10:31.59 | FlyHigh | hi i have debian 6 KDE LiveCD and i wonder where is GUI package manager like synaptic in Ubuntu. Can you help me ? |
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| 10:33.55 | Macer | there is a debian 6 kde cd? :) |
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| 10:33.56 | Zambezi | tremon: Here we go. This might cause problems, but it will downgrade all packages and remove 21! |
| 10:34.11 | Macer | FlyHigh: i never noticed that but i would guess apt-get install synaptic? |
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| 10:34.48 | Macer | if you were taking the kde route you should have used kubuntu ;) |
| 10:35.15 | themill | umm... why? |
| 10:35.29 | themill | FlyHigh: you can install synaptic if you want it, or use aptitude. |
| 10:35.54 | tremon | zambezi: yeah, that's probably because avcodecs depend on each other (exact version), so downgrading one breaks all the others |
| 10:36.42 | Macer | themill: kubuntu uses all the nice closed blobs for hardware |
| 10:36.42 | tremon | try downgrading them all at the same time (apt-get install pkg1=ver1 pkg2=ver2). Other than that, letting apt remove and reinstall might be easiest |
| 10:36.43 | Macer | heh |
| 10:36.51 | Macer | part of that whole open movement you know? |
| 10:37.09 | themill | Macer: umm... and why is that an advantage for a kde user? |
| 10:37.26 | tremon | zambezi: just make sure that apt doesn't remove your DE (tends to happen with alsa->pulseaudio->gnome borkage) |
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| 10:37.47 | Harzilein | FlyHigh: look for adept |
| 10:37.57 | Harzilein | FlyHigh: or kpackagekit |
| 10:38.09 | Macer | themill: most kde users are looking for complete simplicity in use |
| 10:38.13 | themill | Macer: no they aren't. |
| 10:38.18 | Macer | hate to say it but kubuntu has made it incredibly simplistic |
| 10:38.23 | Harzilein | he did not say anything about wanting _synaptic_, just about wanting something _like_ synaptic |
| 10:38.44 | themill | Harzilein: adept isn't in squeeze |
| 10:38.46 | Macer | Harzilein: i can only assume he would want somethign similar to hat he used |
| 10:38.55 | Macer | what |
| 10:38.57 | FlyHigh | Macer: Well i enjoyed GUI because i could search, compare versions etc... Is CLI enough good replacement for man who read apt manuals ? |
| 10:39.01 | Zambezi | tremon: I'm checking somw of the packages and one is not found in the repos, so it's from the Multimedia. I'll found out if I experience other problems. I'm going to check some vidoe about 15 minutes if problem is solved. |
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| 10:39.28 | Macer | heh. i'm just saying. anybody who i have ever seen use kde treated it like windows |
| 10:39.48 | Macer | i'm not saying that is a bad thing.. but using debian vs kubuntu for kde.. kubuntu seemed to be more of a windows user experience |
| 10:39.49 | themill | Macer: you'll find quite a few of the regulars here use kde. |
| 10:39.56 | Macer | oh i love kde |
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| 10:40.04 | Macer | it is probably hands down the best ui linux has to offer :) |
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| 10:40.22 | Harzilein | FlyHigh: it looks like the live cd does not have that telling from the http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.3-i386-kde-desktop.iso.packages list |
| 10:40.26 | Macer | it is amazing. i wasn't knocking kde. i was just saying that it is meant for joe user |
| 10:40.39 | Macer | i could put my 63 yr old father in kde and he wouldn't be able to tell it wasn't windows |
| 10:41.07 | themill | Macer: it's not true that it's not meant for experienced/power users... that's my point. |
| 10:41.25 | Macer | themill: the same could be said for windows |
| 10:41.26 | Harzilein | FlyHigh: i can understand the wish for a gui for "browsing" packages |
| 10:41.31 | Macer | or osx |
| 10:41.50 | Macer | like 99% of the people are just happy enough to point and click their way through things |
| 10:42.03 | mjt | so what's the point Macer ? |
| 10:42.05 | Macer | with the remaining 1% installing ports in osx |
| 10:42.26 | Macer | the point is i just think kubuntu is for the 99%ers :) |
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| 10:42.30 | mjt | do you actually have something to say? ;) |
| 10:42.39 | Macer | if you take the kde route |
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| 10:43.47 | Harzilein | FlyHigh: if you don't like the text gui of aptitude, you should just install synaptic - provided you can stand the mixing of guis |
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| 10:44.11 | Macer | just installed debian finally :) |
| 10:44.30 | Macer | nice... let me get this 1GHz C7 beast going! |
| 10:44.33 | Macer | lol |
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| 10:44.58 | mjt | Macer: you like it, that's fine, i'm glad for you. me, i think every software suxx, so i really am glad you liked something. just dont try to force your opinion or propaganda... :) |
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| 10:45.06 | Harzilein | now i have a question too: |
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| 10:45.39 | Macer | it isn't propaganda. i am just saying from my experience kubuntu vs debian+kde seemed like a better end user experience |
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| 10:45.58 | Harzilein | "joy2key - Translate joystick movements into equivalent keystrokes" is there something, preferably in debian, for the other way around? |
| 10:46.04 | dimaursu16 | hello |
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| 10:46.44 | FlyHigh | Harzilein: Well if i learn apt, will it be good replacement for gui in case of good visibility of what am i doing ? |
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| 10:46.54 | Harzilein | the idea is that i don't need to set up (possibly buggy) keyconfig dialogs in sdl games and emulators but just switch on that key2joy tool and feed events to a virtual joystick |
| 10:46.55 | themill | Macer: well lots of us disagree with you. Now where does that leave us... Oh I know... this is #debian. Let's talk about debian user support. |
| 10:46.57 | dimaursu16 | guys, did anyone of you managed to "convert" a 32-bit system to a 64 one? I read that it's pretty possible to brick my system... |
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| 10:47.47 | mjt | dimaursu16: it is possible to "brick" a soho router when you're trying to replace an operating system/firmware in there. But a regular pc? |
| 10:48.04 | Harzilein | FlyHigh: good visibility should be given. more with aptitude (which tends to do more what newbies want anyway), apt-get et al can be a bit terse |
| 10:48.10 | Macer | themill: er. no need to be an ass. i was simply stating an opinion. |
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| 10:48.29 | Macer | anyways. back to my debian config on this artigo. |
| 10:48.35 | Harzilein | FlyHigh: by that i mean that it usually tells you what steps it is taking and describes the situation well |
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| 10:50.25 | jelly-home | dimaursu16: don't do it. Install anew, copy user data. |
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| 10:52.08 | FlyHigh | Harzilein: are therre enough up-to-date libraries or it could be a nightmare to build latest games, software,etc... ? |
| 10:52.09 | kiwitinker | test |
| 10:52.20 | Harzilein | FlyHigh: huh? |
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| 10:52.43 | Harzilein | FlyHigh: you get the same packages, just a different frontend |
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| 10:53.16 | Harzilein | FlyHigh: for weird gaming usage you are likely better off with testing though |
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| 10:53.44 | dimaursu16 | hmm...yeah, I can do that...anyway it's my sister laptop, and she will be ok without the 800 mb she's doen't have now :) I've installed on her new notebook Debian, and as long facebook work, she's happy |
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| 10:55.01 | bohl | Hello everyone, I'm trying to install debian squeeze on my old eeepc 701. dd'ed the .iso on an empty flash drive. Select "Boot from USB drive" in bios. Does nothing for half a second then boots from hdd as before. I used /dev/sdX instead of /dev/sdX1, and sync, any other ideas? |
| 10:55.23 | Harzilein | FlyHigh: i actually tend to advocate debian for weird gaming usage over ubuntu, as the ... layman... support community of ubuntu tends to often render the situation worse for the people who pick up the support when they tell people to make install something instead of integrating it with the package management |
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| 10:55.53 | Arafangion | Harzilein: That was my impression too. |
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| 10:57.50 | koko_ | hello |
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| 10:59.30 | iceroot | hi |
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| 11:00.49 | FlyHigh | thanks |
| 11:01.09 | koko_ | i have problem with freeradius on my squeeze |
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| 11:01.27 | dimaursu16 | btw...the linux kernel 3.1 with pae, can acces more than 4 gb? |
| 11:01.36 | koko_ | i use captival portal and i cant log in with freeradius |
| 11:01.54 | Arafangion | dimaursu16: Yes... But I think it's called something other than 'pae". |
| 11:03.28 | dimaursu16 | but is there in the testing release? |
| 11:04.35 | koko_ | http://pastebin.com/feGApa1T |
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| 11:07.13 | dimaursu16 | Aragangion: I just read on wikipedia...it's called pae, and it gives you acces to more than 4 gb |
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| 11:08.44 | tremon | dimaursu16: to be completely correct, it only gives the kernel access to more than 4G -- a single process is still limited to 32-bit addresses |
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| 11:10.45 | mjt | dimaursu16: you may also install 64bit kernel (linux-image-amd64) and keep your 32bit userspace. |
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| 11:13.32 | dimaursu16 | hmm...btw..i have an ssh connection to my sister's computer so I can update her system, and do things in "background"...how do I check how much memory she has acces to? |
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| 11:13.56 | mjt | dimaursu16: try "free" |
| 11:14.09 | Harzilein | dimaursu16: do you mean memory or storage? |
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| 11:15.21 | Harzilein | dimaursu16: the latter would be df -h ~yoursistersusername |
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| 11:16.02 | Harzilein | dimaursu16: you should be able to tab-complete the latter after typing a few characters |
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| 11:16.49 | themill | Harzilein: (or not, if you're using squeeze's bash-completion package...) |
| 11:17.11 | Harzilein | themill: gah %-) |
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| 11:19.26 | Harzilein | dimaursu16: the idea of specifying your sister's home directory is that you get shown the free space on the drive/partition it is on. |
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| 11:20.11 | dimaursu16 | I mean memory, RAM |
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| 11:20.21 | dimaursu16 | thx |
| 11:20.34 | dimaursu16 | you are very kind people |
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| 11:21.00 | Harzilein | dimaursu16: mjt proposed free. also, top displays the free memory on top and you can easily sort the processes by memory usage which might help finding out where it goes |
| 11:21.42 | Harzilein | (keys to press for sorting are 'F' and 'n' (followed by enter) |
| 11:23.03 | dimaursu16 | thx |
| 11:23.52 | mjt | how much overhead a pae kernel has, compared with regular i386? |
| 11:26.12 | Harzilein | i have a weird idea for openvz btw |
| 11:26.59 | themill | mjt: if you have an SMP system, you don't have any choice but to use the pae kernel anyway. (Small enough to be ignored was the last I heard) |
| 11:27.11 | mjt | why no chance? |
| 11:27.15 | Harzilein | i thought about a way of exposing the guest containers' netlink sockets and what i came up with was a... yo dawg, i heard u like netlink frames... thing |
| 11:27.24 | mjt | i've about 200 smp boxes which run non-pae kernels :) |
| 11:27.33 | themill | mjt: not debian ones as of wheezy |
| 11:27.41 | mjt | i always used custom kernels |
| 11:28.06 | themill | mjt: sure... I'm talking about debian kernels... in #debian. |
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| 11:28.42 | mjt | hm. !HIGHMEM4G, which I usually choose. |
| 11:28.47 | tremon | mjt: the overhead for regular workloads is negligible (<1% I believe), which is why there are no non-pae kernels I think |
| 11:29.28 | Harzilein | do you think 1) exposing them at all would be stupid/harmful? 2) using them to change state in the namespaced subsystems would be harmful? 3) the approach of adding a netlink frame around a netlink frame would be bad? |
| 11:29.34 | tremon | mjt: actually addressing more than 4GB requires an additional paging indirection, which does incur a 2-3% overhead IIRC |
| 11:29.35 | mjt | the difference should be in HIGHMEM4G vs HIGHMEM64G |
| 11:29.43 | mjt | yeah :) |
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| 11:30.07 | mjt | i remember i enabled 64G but switched back to 4G later |
| 11:30.36 | mjt | it was a significant difference on our workloads |
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| 11:40.44 | jelly-home | mjt: or if your boxes are x86_86 capable, use the -amd64 kernel flavor. |
| 11:40.55 | jelly-home | x86_64 6$%#$ |
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| 11:41.27 | negge | I just installed smbclient (I had samba installed before) and it magically overwrote my smb.conf with a vanilla |
| 11:41.31 | mjt | we're migrating to 64bit slowly. on all largeish systems i use 64bit kernels for several years |
| 11:41.51 | negge | is there any way to "recreate" an smb.conf from the current running configuration? |
| 11:42.08 | jelly-home | mjt: I meant using 64bit kernel and keeping 32bit userspace |
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| 11:45.24 | mjt | jelly-home: that's exactly what we're doing |
| 11:45.38 | mjt | jelly-home: i think i reported more 32/64compat bugs than everyone else combined :) |
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| 11:46.01 | jelly-home | hell, I found 3-4 bugs at home myself |
| 11:46.17 | jelly-home | lots of unimplemented ioctls |
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| 11:46.35 | mjt | yes. but it finally become quite useful. |
| 11:47.05 | mjt | but i'm not sure for the actual value. the compat layer, especially in some places, is quite complex and slow. |
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| 11:47.14 | Qrc | how is it possible that when I try to install debian squeeze with netinstall, it installs KDE instead of Gnome? |
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| 11:48.14 | mjt | jelly-home: like, aio stuff which has to translate both the aiocb and all the referenced iovs, so lots'a allocations/deallocations on each operation, while userspace "thinks" it is the most advanced/fast method... |
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| 11:48.34 | jelly-home | uoch |
| 11:48.47 | mosno | Qrc, are you sure you don't have the KDE CD1? |
| 11:48.50 | jelly-home | ouch, even |
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| 11:50.06 | Qrc | mosno: debian-6.0.3-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 12:17.46 | Macer | nice |
| 12:17.52 | Macer | finally got this artigo with debian on it |
| 12:18.23 | Macer | worst part was when the bios had an option to disable shared video memory so i figured there as a small amount of dedicated memory for the embedded chipset... and there was not |
| 12:18.26 | Macer | how retarded |
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| 12:23.11 | bluesky | Hell Folks: I have a question regarding Linux + Smartphone? Which Distro + Which Phone? @ affordable cost is optimal? Thanks |
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| 12:24.42 | bluesky | Sorry It is not Hell it is Hello Folks: |
| 12:25.07 | Macer | heh |
| 12:25.11 | arjun_ | O.o |
| 12:25.18 | Macer | a linux phone distro |
| 12:25.23 | Macer | personally i love my n900 |
| 12:25.30 | Macer | uses a debian based maemo distro |
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| 12:25.46 | Macer | you can probably ebay one for 250 - 300 if you are lucky |
| 12:25.50 | Macer | but they are discontinued |
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| 12:26.48 | Macer | the rest aren't really "linux" in a sense... android uses linux for hardware access and you might find small utilities for the term but as far as calling it a distro in a sense that you would use a linux box it is not the same |
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| 12:27.14 | valdyn | bluesky: distros cant really support phones, since theres some closed hardware there |
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| 12:27.46 | valdyn | bluesky: n9, n900,n950 come relatively close and run linux (obviously the distro is from the vendor) |
| 12:28.04 | Macer | yeah. n900 ran into major problems with closed blobs |
| 12:28.15 | Macer | but as far as it being the most like a distro.. i think it takes 1st place |
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| 12:28.48 | Macer | no phone will ever be 100% open unfortunately |
| 12:28.54 | bluesky | Googling I found that Huawei IDEOS UI800 Android 2.4 phone + Maemo? What do you thnk of this? |
| 12:29.27 | Macer | bluesky: can't say. i don't have much experience with the device |
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| 12:29.47 | Macer | i think there is also a chroot for running debian on an android device |
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| 12:30.09 | bluesky | What is the benefit of installing Linux on a Android phone? |
| 12:30.23 | valdyn | bluesky: if youre just looking for a cheap android phone... this is even more off topic here |
| 12:30.31 | babilen | Mind taking it to #debian-offtopic/#maemo/##android/... ? |
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| 12:31.03 | Macer | babilen: asking how to get debian running on an android device is off topic as well? |
| 12:31.10 | Macer | honestly. what is ON TOPIC here? :) |
| 12:31.21 | valdyn | Macer: theres no benefit in doing that |
| 12:31.37 | Macer | valdyn: i disagree. you can run X |
| 12:31.45 | Macer | which would help for running remote apps on a server via ssh |
| 12:32.00 | Macer | not to mention a lot of good and useful low level term based tools |
| 12:32.07 | valdyn | Macer: you think you cant run X on android? |
| 12:32.12 | babilen | Macer: No, but you didn't ask that. AFAIK it is not really possible to run Debian on an android phone. A chrooted approach might be feasible, but I am not aware of any work in that direction. Instructions for maemo based devices can be found on http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian and support in #maemo |
| 12:32.14 | Macer | like.... lynx |
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| 12:32.28 | qdb | hello |
| 12:32.41 | qdb | i see there is libt1-5 update |
| 12:32.44 | Macer | uhm. |
| 12:33.25 | Macer | http://www.saurik.com/id/10 |
| 12:33.27 | qdb | but in http://www.debian.org/ i do not see it. probably it is not security update. where i can see about that update in web? |
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| 12:33.36 | Macer | running a debian chroot has been around for a very long time for android |
| 12:33.44 | jelly-home | qdb: aptitude changelog libt1-5 |
| 12:33.50 | Macer | i used to run it on my G1 just like that web site instructs |
| 12:34.46 | qdb | hello. jelly-home dont work. but i wanted page with list of updates |
| 12:35.05 | qdb | oh. hello is by mistake ) |
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| 12:35.44 | Macer | bluesky: take a look at that web site. it will give you reasons to run debian on an android device. personally i would say simply because you get the debian apps which are really nice to have. i wish someone would make a gnu userspace for android ;) |
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| 12:36.29 | Macer | well.. not debian apps but you get apt and can install typical debian stuff to use which is great |
| 12:36.44 | bluesky | Macer, Thanks taking a look at it |
| 12:36.59 | Macer | it looks old.. but i am sre you can find newer information about it |
| 12:37.07 | tremon | jelly-home: thx for that. Learning something new every day :) |
| 12:37.26 | Macer | based on the model of phone you want to use or running debian under android in general |
| 12:38.15 | Macer | word to the wise tho: best to have a hardware qwerty on the device itself ;) |
| 12:38.41 | jelly-home | qdb: oh well. Go to http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libt1-5 then, and access the changelog link. |
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| 12:41.08 | babilen | qdb: Take a look at apt-listchanges (and apt-listbugs) which will cause apt-get/aptitude to display the changelog before you install a package. |
| 12:41.16 | qdb | jelly-home: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/t/t1lib/t1lib_5.1.2-3/changelog i dont see here this update |
| 12:42.31 | qdb | babilen: commands not found |
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| 12:43.20 | jelly-home | qdb: judging by the version number, I'm GUESSING it's just a rebuild from source with squeeze libs |
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| 12:43.53 | qdb | jelly-home: i want to be sure that this update is real, that i am not hacked |
| 12:44.22 | qdb | jelly-home: i want to check that all other users also get this update |
| 12:44.23 | jelly-home | qdb: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy tibt1-5" and "apt-cache policy" |
| 12:44.31 | jelly-home | qdb: mind the typo. |
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| 12:46.03 | qdb | jelly-home: http://paste2.org/p/1868383 |
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| 12:46.31 | jelly-home | ,versions libt1-5 |
| 12:46.32 | judd | Package: libt1-5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.1.2-3; squeeze: 5.1.2-3; sid: 5.1.2-3.3; wheezy: 5.1.2-3.3 |
| 12:46.55 | jelly-home | qdb: well I see that update as well. |
| 12:46.57 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.57 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:47.26 | qdb | jelly-home: where i can check that without irc? |
| 12:48.01 | babilen | qdb: Try "apt-cache show apt-listchanges" and "apt-get install apt-listchanges" ;) |
| 12:48.44 | babilen | qdb: You can use the rmadison tool found in the devscripts package or search http://packages.debian.org directly. |
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| 12:49.02 | jelly-home | qdb: install apt-listchanges. Then, when you do apt-get upgrade or apt-get install stuff, it's going to show you a list of new changelog entries and ask for an extra confirmation before continuing (if configured by default) |
| 12:49.06 | debian_pt | hi |
| 12:49.21 | jelly-home | babilen: packages.d.o doesn't list that security upload yet |
| 12:49.24 | debian_pt | anyone can help config wireless with wpa wpa2 tkip aes ? |
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| 12:49.43 | qdb | babilen: this update is not in http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 12:49.43 | debian_pt | please |
| 12:49.45 | babilen | jelly-home: Well, must have been uploaded quite recently then. |
| 12:49.52 | qdb | babilen: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/t/t1lib/t1lib_5.1.2-3/changelog |
| 12:50.02 | jelly-home | qdb, babilen: the security tracker does: http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/t1lib |
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| 12:50.22 | jelly-home | qdb: click on DSA-2388-1 |
| 12:51.06 | babilen | http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/t1lib.html does as well |
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| 12:51.29 | Morpheme | what about raid1 on 2 usb drive? |
| 12:51.38 | jelly-home | babilen: where on that page do you see any mention of that version? |
| 12:51.46 | qdb | thank you |
| 12:52.13 | debian_pt | please |
| 12:52.14 | debian_pt | :S |
| 12:52.22 | jelly-home | babilen: ah. a forced refresh shows it. Wasn't there 5 minutes ago. |
| 12:52.24 | babilen | jelly-home: "[2012-01-15] Accepted 5.1.2-3+squeeze1 in stable-security (high)" (under news) |
| 12:52.30 | babilen | hehe |
| 12:52.46 | jelly-home | qdb: you're too fast for your own good. |
| 12:52.57 | Morpheme | i need to save sensible data on usb stick; is raid1 viable? |
| 12:53.01 | babilen | I guess it is just trickling through the infrastructure -- But apt-listchanges is the best bet in this case. |
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| 12:54.06 | qdb | jelly-home: i do not know english so well ) . now i installed apt-listchanges, runned apt get dist upgrade, but it has not shown changes. ok i ll try apt listchanges separately |
| 12:54.19 | NikLP | anyone fancy helping with msmtp? seems I'm missing something fundamental about smtp in general |
| 12:54.29 | NikLP | I have the client installed but I am not "getting" the config |
| 12:55.23 | NikLP | specifically, msmtp seems to want credentials for stmp services, but I don't understand why *I* can't *be* that service. Not grok. |
| 12:55.30 | tremon | Morpheme: how would you raid an usb disk? |
| 12:55.36 | qdb | apt-listchanges libt1-5 dont work |
| 12:55.49 | Morpheme | tremon, ?? with mdadm? |
| 12:56.24 | Morpheme | software raid |
| 12:56.30 | tremon | my question was: with what other disk? you can't build a raid with 1 disk |
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| 12:56.58 | tremon | (well, you can, but that kinda defeats the point) |
| 12:56.59 | Morpheme | 2 usb stick... |
| 12:57.12 | tremon | ah. Got it |
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| 12:57.23 | qdb | jelly-home: what does it mesn? i am too fast ??? for my own good??? ok... seems i have understood now... if i am too fast in this case you say it is good. but do you say i am too fast? or you say if i will be fast it will be good? |
| 12:58.11 | jelly-home | qdb: you noticed and asked about that update before it was visible in all parts of Debian infrastructure |
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| 12:59.09 | qdb | jelly-home: ok. so i think it may be will appear also in packages debian org. just i have runned apt get dist upgrade in that time |
| 12:59.22 | qdb | may be |
| 12:59.24 | tremon | Morpheme: I guess you could, but you would always need to have both disks attached for it to work correctly |
| 12:59.30 | jelly-home | also |
| 12:59.31 | jelly-home | !ru |
| 12:59.32 | dpkg | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 12:59.50 | qdb | why apt-listchanges has not worked? |
| 13:00.14 | tremon | morpheme: as soon as you disconnect one, the raid will go in degraded mode and will trigger a full rebuild when you attach both |
| 13:00.21 | jelly-home | qdb: did you configure it to tell you about the changelogs in the terminal? |
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| 13:00.46 | tremon | morpheme: if the disks are flash-based, that's a lot of unnecessary writes... |
| 13:00.49 | qdb | jelly-home: i have seen i used incorrectly, i should provide deb file name |
| 13:00.53 | Morpheme | and what about raid1 sata hdd + usbstick? |
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| 13:01.14 | qdb | jelly-home: i have not configured it |
| 13:01.14 | Morpheme | tremon, why unnecessary? is raid1 |
| 13:01.43 | tremon | raid1 doesn't do a block-based sync when recovering, so it will rewrite all blocks |
| 13:01.58 | qdb | if it needs deb file then it mean i should download the package |
| 13:02.27 | qdb | i am going to uninstall apt-listchanges and think i should not install it |
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| 13:02.53 | tremon | same issue with sata+usb: RAID assumes that the disks are either connected or faulty. That's fine if you never disconnect them, though |
| 13:02.57 | Morpheme | tremon, recovering is? when one of the usk stick get break? |
| 13:03.02 | Morpheme | tremon, and i need to insert a new one? |
| 13:03.20 | jelly-home | qdb: an "apt-get dist-upgrade" would have triggered display of the changelogs after the packages got downloaded |
| 13:03.51 | tremon | morpheme: recovery is whenever the disks are out of sync |
| 13:04.02 | qdb | jelly-home: no , i tried it , it worked as it worked.... if i am not mistaken... |
| 13:04.23 | tremon | morpheme: that can happen because you replaced one, or because it was disconnected before the raid was stopped |
| 13:04.30 | jelly-home | tremon: md raid1 with write-intent bitmap would not rewrite everything |
| 13:04.41 | babilen | qdb: But it is not doing what you expected/wanted? |
| 13:04.46 | jelly-home | tremon: or more correctly, not always |
| 13:04.54 | Morpheme | tremon, really? sad... |
| 13:05.10 | qdb | babilen: yes, i have not seen any additional info about updates |
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| 13:05.30 | qdb | i know where to look at web , i think it is ok |
| 13:05.41 | tremon | morpheme: it's not that it wouldn't work, but you have to be very careful about disconnecting the sticks |
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| 13:05.46 | jelly-home | tremon: I'm using split mirrors on external disks, it takes maybe 10 minutes to add back a 2TB member and sync up a week worth of backups |
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| 13:06.14 | babilen | qdb: Do you mean that the changelog was *not* displayed? Please run "dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges" and configure it to your liking. |
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| 13:06.42 | Morpheme | uhm jelly-home so, i can use one disk, and when i need i can sync the other? |
| 13:06.49 | Morpheme | jelly-home, for using raid1 as a backup system |
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| 13:07.30 | jelly-home | Morpheme: yes, that's pretty much what I'm doing. The external disk is disconnected and unplugged most of the time. |
| 13:07.40 | philipp | guys is there a way to get a at least almoust reacently version of anjuta? the default debian ist 2.3 and the current stable ist 3.3 |
| 13:09.18 | Macer | philipp: download the src and build it or see if they have a .deb you can use |
| 13:09.57 | Macer | debian focuses more on stability vs bleeding edge |
| 13:10.04 | Morpheme | jelly-home, ok thanks, that is was i was thinking :P |
| 13:10.09 | philipp | Macer, tried cant meed debentencies |
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| 13:10.32 | Macer | find out which deps you need and install them or download the deps src and build those as well |
| 13:10.38 | Morpheme | thanks tremon too |
| 13:11.01 | tremon | Morpheme: yw, thx jelly for correcting me |
| 13:11.14 | Macer | building like that can be a pain sometimes but usually with time and finding the proper dependencies you can get stuff going |
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| 13:11.43 | Macer | but you will be introducing something onto your system outside the repos which can affect overall stability for one reason or another |
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| 13:11.58 | philipp | Macer what do i have to start first? autogen? |
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| 13:12.08 | jelly-home | Morpheme: you need to be a bit careful and fail and remove, and disconnect the split mirror member in a clean way; some errors make md resync the whole device needlessly |
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| 13:12.51 | Morpheme | jelly-home, has you got any notes about that? |
| 13:12.56 | Macer | philipp: i honestly don't know. just try to build it... find out what it is missing.. and install that.. and move on to the next |
| 13:13.49 | Macer | if that still doesn't work google it and maybe you might find more information or consider switching distros to something that uses more recent versions of applications |
| 13:13.55 | philipp | Macer, they are all gnome stuff... i dont wanna release the new gnome -.- |
| 13:14.49 | Macer | usually an app requires gnome libs only if it is meant to run in gnome.. like gtk etc... you may not have to fully install gnome to get something working |
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| 13:14.59 | Macer | but like i said. i don't know. i was just making suggestions |
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| 13:20.50 | Morpheme | no one is talking or am i disconnected? :D |
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| 13:21.56 | johndoe | any faq on how to use lame? |
| 13:22.01 | johndoe | the mp3 encoder |
| 13:22.41 | jelly-home | Morpheme: not really. http://paste.debian.net/152301/ |
| 13:23.04 | laser | Anybody have experience with nodm? I found out about this package recently and wanted to use it on my XBMC HTPC. |
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| 13:23.33 | jelly-home | Morpheme: that's for daily usage. I didn't write down the commands used to create the write-intent bitmap feature. |
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| 13:26.05 | jelly-home | Morpheme: and um, s/nbd0/sdc2/ in line 26. My external disk is currently a NBD device, it's connected to a different machine. |
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| 13:26.42 | Lekensteyn | Hi, given that I've a .dsc+related files which are not in the repository; how can I install all build dependencies without manually copying the output of dpkg-checkbuilddeps? Something similar to the apt-get build-dep command, but then for .dsc files? |
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| 13:27.19 | billy_ | cdcd /join #math |
| 13:27.26 | billy_ | sorry |
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| 13:28.40 | Morpheme | jelly-home, dw, thanks; i'll find how to turn on write-intent bitmap |
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| 13:35.52 | Morpheme | jelly-home, the 2 usbdisk need to have the same partition table? or i can sync 2 random partition of them with the same size? |
| 13:36.26 | tremon | you can just use 2 same-size partitions |
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| 13:37.25 | Morpheme | nice |
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| 13:39.26 | dutchfish | be aware that that .lost+found can be tricky, also rsync is file based so any extended file discriptors need to be taken in account. |
| 13:39.43 | dutchfish | see the man pages for rsync |
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| 13:40.59 | dutchfish | (only when you use different FS'es) |
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| 14:08.44 | _mpu | Hi, in apt, their should be some kind of list of hand installed packages (kind of a gentoo world), can I alter this list? |
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| 14:09.39 | themill | _mpu: /msg dpkg equivs; when you break it, you get to keep both pieces. |
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| 14:11.02 | Lekensteyn | _mpu: with apt-mark you can mark packages as dependencies or directly installed; apt-cache policy shows the source of a file; /var/lib/dpkg/ is the directory containing the state. unless you know what you're doing, do not directly modify that directory contents |
| 14:11.33 | _mpu | Lekensteyn: you got my point, thanks. |
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| 14:24.50 | metap0d | Hi everyone, I'm trying to install the IronHide package for my Optimus enabled laptop and I'm very new to Linux. I tried following a guide made for Ubuntu but most commands don't work. How would I find which repository Ironhide is in so I can install it? |
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| 14:25.37 | Lekensteyn | metap0d: please do not try Ironhide, it's flawed and the author only supports Ubuntu |
| 14:27.02 | metap0d | Lekensteyn: What would you recommend? I've read about Bumblee too |
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| 14:27.25 | Lekensteyn | metap0d: join #bumblebee, there have been succesful reports of Debian users installing it |
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| 14:27.58 | nvz | you say "only supports Ubuntu" and I just read "is insane" |
| 14:29.02 | Lekensteyn | nvz: that's why we're united with some other developers on Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee :) |
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| 14:34.24 | sylar | how to get an alert of low space to email? |
| 14:34.28 | sylar | or maybe on the desktop? |
| 14:34.45 | nvz | Lekensteyn: the way this channel has slowed down I ventured to try support ubuntu and realized its useless.. its buggy as hell and changes so drastically you can never get a handle on its issues. Not to mention their BTS requires registration. |
| 14:35.22 | nvz | sylar: my machine does that already with gnome-volume-manager, you'd probably need something similar to monitor the disks |
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| 14:44.15 | laser | When I ssh in, I'd like to see "Linux leaf 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Thu Nov 3 04:23:54 UTC 2011 i686" -- without that extra ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY stuff. How do I do it? |
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| 14:45.06 | laser | I'm using ~/.hushlogin but it's too hush-hush. :P |
| 14:45.33 | tremon | laser: /etc/motd.tail |
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| 14:52.27 | laser | tremon: Thank you. /etc/motd.tail didn't work for me? (but /etc/motd did) |
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| 14:54.58 | tremon | /etc/motd is recreated on boot from motd.tail |
| 14:54.59 | themill | laser: motd is created from motd.tail at boot time. /msg dpkg motd |
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| 14:57.47 | laser | themill: the link for dpkg's deborphan needs to be updated to http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/debian-linux-remove-unwanted-packages-and-files-to-reclaim-disk-space.html :) |
| 14:58.04 | laser | I have no idea who to tell, tbh. |
| 14:58.46 | themill | laser: thanks. |
| 14:58.52 | themill | (Cool URIs don't change) |
| 15:01.12 | laser | tremon: I reboot. I got "linux leaf" stuffs, No mail, last login. That's what I wanted. Thanks again! :) |
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| 15:03.02 | jelly-home | themill: SEO-happy webmasters don't know about that parenthetical comment, yet |
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| 15:06.35 | sylar | what package has the "mail" command? |
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| 15:07.22 | Mephisto | now... question |
| 15:07.27 | Mephisto | i have a little issue with metacity |
| 15:07.47 | themill | sylar: there are several, bsd-mailx is the commonly used one |
| 15:08.21 | Mephisto | it works, but there's some tray glitch... when i minimize one app to the tray both panels may dissappear. Not right away, but takes me to do it three times maybe and then they go off until i press Ctrl-Alt-Del and they get back in. |
| 15:08.40 | Mephisto | if i turn metacity off it doesn't happen. |
| 15:08.46 | Mephisto | clues? |
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| 15:13.41 | qrq | I need help. What is the script that launch application and later on exit is going back to default refresh rate? |
| 15:13.47 | qrq | :D |
| 15:14.01 | qrq | It was something with "S" and "P" |
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| 15:17.08 | Mephisto | you're beyond any help |
| 15:17.10 | Mephisto | just like me :0 |
| 15:17.19 | sylar | themill: bsd-mailx want sendmail |
| 15:17.21 | qrq | :D |
| 15:17.33 | sylar | themill: and I don't want sendmail |
| 15:17.43 | jelly-home | sylar: or any other mail server. |
| 15:17.52 | themill | sylar: no, it wants a mail-transport-agent and sendmail is not the one it will pick |
| 15:17.54 | qrq | script that is changing refresh rate when application is closed |
| 15:17.55 | sylar | themill: I am worreid ti will colide with my sever |
| 15:18.05 | jelly-home | sylar: which MTA do you have installed? |
| 15:18.42 | sylar | jelly-home : james |
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| 15:19.31 | jelly-home | sylar: if it's not packaged properly, you will probably want to use "equivs" to make a dummy package providing mail-transfer-agent |
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| 15:21.08 | jelly-home | dpkg, james is http://james.apache.org/server/index.html |
| 15:21.08 | dpkg | ...but james is already something else... |
| 15:21.11 | sylar | jelly-home: isnt' there something that just use the SMTP? |
| 15:21.12 | jelly-home | ohnoes |
| 15:21.41 | qrq | It was something like applicationname && something |
| 15:21.55 | jelly-home | sylar: well. There is. However. Do you, or do you not have an /usr/sbin/sendmail or /usr/lib/sendmail executable in place at present time? |
| 15:22.23 | sylar | jelly-home: I don't |
| 15:23.25 | jelly-home | sylar: install nullmailer or ssmtp, then, point it to wherever James SMTP server is listening on. |
| 15:24.31 | sylar | how? |
| 15:24.38 | jelly-home | the usual way. |
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| 15:25.35 | sylar | o off course |
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| 15:25.52 | pavlz | hi |
| 15:26.09 | pavlz | why is not available the package cqinet ? |
| 15:26.34 | pavlz | there is not the package cqinet in GNU/linux Debian :-( |
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| 15:26.56 | sylar | alternatively, is there something built in to give me a desktop notification in case of low disk space? |
| 15:27.02 | pavlz | it seems that is relased under the GNU General Public License |
| 15:27.40 | pavlz | can you help me and tell me why is available only of sourceforge ? |
| 15:27.46 | pavlz | on |
| 15:28.04 | babilen | pavlz: You can request it to be packages (/msg dpkg rfp) or even package it yourself and find a sponsor to upload it to Debian (/msg dpkg nmg ; /msg dpkg rfs) |
| 15:28.19 | jelly-home | pavlz: someone has to package it and take responsibility of the package for the foreseeable future. Are you volunteering. |
| 15:28.26 | qrq | How change refresh rate in console? |
| 15:28.36 | qrq | I mean by command. |
| 15:29.04 | pavlz | awaiting your reply, many thanks paolo |
| 15:29.25 | pavlz | which sponsor ? |
| 15:29.32 | babilen | pavlz: It is not available because it has not been packaged for Debian. A number of ham radio related utilities have been package already though and you might find one that provides the same functionality as cqinet (/msg dpkg search) -- You can, naturally, also install cqinet from source to /usr/local -- I recommend to use stow to manage that installation. (/msg dpkg stow ; /msg dpkg stow usage) |
| 15:29.45 | lenswipe | hey guys |
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| 15:30.10 | pavlz | cqinet is a package for hamradio activity for Echolink |
| 15:30.13 | lenswipe | i have a LAN of about 6 machines that im gonna need to setup quickly for a science fair, i have one day in advance to do the setup so i need to deploy debian on them as fast as possible |
| 15:30.27 | babilen | qrq: Take a look at xrandr |
| 15:30.29 | pavlz | the program is available as *.src and *rpm |
| 15:30.33 | lenswipe | can i deploy debian over the network smoothly and quickly without making 2 million live CDs? |
| 15:30.35 | lenswipe | anyone know? |
| 15:30.58 | pavlz | if i remember well is possible to install *.rpm packages too in Debiank |
| 15:31.04 | pavlz | Dedian |
| 15:31.04 | mntzn | lenswipe: sure, pxe it over network |
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| 15:31.41 | pavlz | thanks again |
| 15:31.41 | lenswipe | mntzn, pxe? |
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| 15:32.02 | lenswipe | mntzn, bear in mind this is for a small peer to peer LAN so i dont have racks of BOOTP servers at my disposal |
| 15:32.08 | babilen | lenswipe: Take a look at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s05.html.en for example |
| 15:32.12 | lenswipe | mntzn, im talking like just a hub/switch and a few cables |
| 15:32.18 | mntzn | lenswipe: just set up one with dnsmasq |
| 15:32.23 | mntzn | takes 5 minutes |
| 15:32.23 | lenswipe | whoah whoah whoah |
| 15:32.26 | lenswipe | dnsmasq? |
| 15:32.35 | babilen | For example |
| 15:32.38 | jelly-home | you only need one bootp/dhcp/tftp server |
| 15:32.41 | tremon | lenswipe: 6 machines? any effort you spend in automating the install is going to cost more time than doing the same install 6 times |
| 15:32.42 | lenswipe | i know what dnsmasq is i just dont know how to set this up |
| 15:33.02 | lenswipe | tremon, except i have to make 6 live CDs |
| 15:33.08 | lenswipe | which is a pain in the ass |
| 15:33.13 | lenswipe | and i have no use for them afterwards |
| 15:33.16 | mntzn | lenswipe: its says how to do things in dnsmasq.conf |
| 15:33.33 | dutchfish | lenswipe, http://andys.org.uk/bits/2010/03/22/pxe-booting-a-debian-squeeze-install/ |
| 15:33.46 | lenswipe | dutchfish, is that the only guide ill need? |
| 15:33.55 | lenswipe | like i said ive never done this before and i need things up and running very very quickly |
| 15:34.13 | mntzn | then get 6 livecds ) |
| 15:34.19 | dutchfish | lenswipe, if you are comfortable with debian install procedure, yes, if not read on in the debian wiki |
| 15:34.31 | lenswipe | dutchfish, im fine with the debian install procedure |
| 15:34.37 | mntzn | or a flashdrive and netboot netinst cd on it |
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| 15:35.30 | mntzn | you won't need it for full installation process so you can start installation on one pc then take the flash drive to another etc |
| 15:35.52 | dutchfish | lenswipe, you might also be intrested in http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 15:36.51 | lenswipe | dutchfish, what file do i put on the TFTP server for pxe to serve up? |
| 15:37.37 | dutchfish | lenswipe, read the first link more closely |
| 15:38.45 | babilen | lenswipe: And the installation guide -- Please read the documentation that has been pointed out and ask more specific question afterwards. |
| 15:39.09 | lenswipe | babilen, i know how to install debian |
| 15:39.18 | lenswipe | what shape does the network boot take? |
| 15:39.24 | babilen | round |
| 15:39.27 | lenswipe | XD |
| 15:39.36 | lenswipe | if im at each machine does it just look like a normal install but its going over the network? |
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| 15:39.51 | babilen | lenswipe: Have you read http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s05.html.en and http://andys.org.uk/bits/2010/03/22/pxe-booting-a-debian-squeeze-install/ yet? |
| 15:40.05 | lenswipe | not yet |
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| 15:40.10 | babilen | So, please do. |
| 15:40.15 | lenswipe | imr eading the second one right now |
| 15:41.16 | lenswipe | babilen, would i be better just serving up an image? |
| 15:41.21 | lenswipe | rather than a vanilla install |
| 15:41.47 | babilen | no |
| 15:41.51 | lenswipe | kk |
| 15:42.09 | dutchfish | lenswipe, also http://wiki.debian.org/FAI |
| 15:42.39 | lenswipe | but you understand why i dont want to make like 6 live CDs |
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| 15:44.11 | dutchfish | lenswipe, the only one you ever need on a massive deployment is net-install and a private mirror if you want to do it the right way. |
| 15:44.30 | lenswipe | ok |
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| 15:49.51 | lenswipe | dutchfish, babilen mntzn thanks for the help :) |
| 15:50.11 | dutchfish | lenswipe, yw and good luck with readup |
| 15:50.24 | lenswipe | thanks :) |
| 15:50.35 | lenswipe | dutchfish, its for a science fair and i only have 1 day before it to set all this shit up |
| 15:51.00 | dutchfish | lenswipe, i x thumbs, thats not much time for all this |
| 15:51.12 | lenswipe | dutchfish, huh? |
| 15:51.14 | lenswipe | i x thumbs? |
| 15:51.21 | lenswipe | but no 1 day isnt much time for all this? |
| 15:51.24 | dutchfish | lenswipe, cross thumbs |
| 15:51.27 | lenswipe | ah right |
| 15:51.47 | lenswipe | recon it would be faster to just copy lots of boot CDs? |
| 15:52.23 | dutchfish | lenswipe, at least it pulls out the burden of lot of reading and understanding the automated process, yes |
| 15:52.43 | lenswipe | hmm |
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| 15:53.14 | lenswipe | im wondering if i could set the BOOTP server up on a disk in advance and then bring the disk in and swap them out |
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| 15:54.20 | dutchfish | lenswipe, to much hassle, if this is a one time project you might as well do it in steps, hand out 1/10 of the total systems as a net-install cd, ones the first stage of the install is done, rolate them. |
| 15:54.48 | lenswipe | hmm |
| 15:54.49 | dutchfish | lenswipe, how many systems? |
| 15:54.58 | lenswipe | 7 |
| 15:54.58 | dvs | 6 |
| 15:55.02 | lenswipe | 6 or 7 |
| 15:55.10 | lenswipe | but they will all be in simultaneous use |
| 15:55.21 | dutchfish | lenswipe, burn that number of net-install cd's. period. |
| 15:55.30 | lenswipe | really? |
| 15:55.33 | dutchfish | yep |
| 15:55.38 | lenswipe | :/ |
| 15:55.53 | lenswipe | what do i do with them after |
| 15:56.08 | jelly-home | save them for next debian 6 installation |
| 15:56.20 | dutchfish | lenswipe, or use 2 and rolate them as soon as the first 2 are done (15 min tops) |
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| 15:56.47 | dutchfish | lenswipe, start with a base install, reboot and then do the rest |
| 15:56.54 | lenswipe | yeah |
| 15:57.00 | dutchfish | lenswipe, after the reboot you don't need that cd anymore |
| 15:57.21 | lenswipe | yeah |
| 15:57.23 | lenswipe | btw |
| 15:57.30 | lenswipe | what version of python does debian have in the repos? |
| 15:57.43 | dutchfish | .version python |
| 15:57.52 | lenswipe | dutchfish, i dont have a debian machine here |
| 15:57.52 | jelly-home | comma. |
| 15:57.52 | dutchfish | !version python |
| 15:58.19 | dutchfish | lenswipe, you want to pull this off with 0 expirience? |
| 15:58.19 | lenswipe | ..? |
| 15:58.28 | lenswipe | dutchfish, i dont have 0 experience |
| 15:58.33 | dutchfish | ok |
| 15:58.39 | lenswipe | i just dont use python |
| 15:58.42 | lenswipe | im not the one using python |
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| 15:58.48 | lenswipe | im just the bugger left with setting this crap up |
| 15:58.54 | lenswipe | :/ |
| 15:59.12 | jelly-home | ,versions python |
| 15:59.15 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze6; sid: 2.7.2-9; wheezy: 2.7.2-9 |
| 15:59.23 | dutchfish | jelly-home, ty |
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| 16:00.57 | tremon | ,versions python3 |
| 16:00.59 | judd | Package: python3 on i386 -- squeeze: 3.1.3-12; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.1.3-12+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.2.2~rc1-2; sid: 3.2.2-1 |
| 16:01.04 | dutchfish | lenswipe, at least do 1 machine in advance and make notes, so you know the drill in front of your audiance ;) |
| 16:02.21 | grayghost | I am trying to install Java ... and get an error message : |
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| 16:02.48 | grayghost | Ignoring file 'google-chrome.list.save' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension |
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| 16:03.12 | grayghost | what does it mean and how to fix ??? |
| 16:03.16 | jelly-home | grayghost: it's a warning, not an error |
| 16:03.20 | inashdeen | hi, where can i download Debian unstable? |
| 16:03.35 | grayghost | java will not work in chrome ? |
| 16:03.54 | dutchfish | inashdeen, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable |
| 16:04.41 | inashdeen | dutchfish : other than being unstable, is there any difference between it and Stable? i heard there is no live cd. is there anything else? |
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| 16:04.48 | jelly-home | grayghost: it's a generic warning that will be uttered by apt every time you use it until it's resolved. That particular message has nothing to do with java. |
| 16:05.08 | dutchfish | inashdeen, read my link thoroughly that is answered in there |
| 16:05.26 | grayghost | if I delete the files will chrome reinstall them correctly? |
| 16:05.56 | jelly-home | grayghost: you may safely delete that one file. |
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| 16:06.18 | inashdeen | dutchfish :ok, i have read that. thank you. Well, I would like to enquire. If i download debian testing, what the current architecture it is running? |
| 16:06.25 | dutchfish | inashdeen, that being said, you are able to make one yourself, for that read http://wiki.debian.org/LiveCD |
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| 16:08.33 | dutchfish | inashdeen, can you rephrase your last question? |
| 16:09.15 | inashdeen | Extra question. I am going to download unstable now, the cd version, may i know why there is more than 1 cd? second, what is the current architecture wheezy is running? which kernel, gnome, etc. |
| 16:10.36 | lenswipe | dutchfish, the group wants me to just do ubuntu installs :( |
| 16:11.07 | dutchfish | inashdeen, architecture as i understand is related to which processor you run, ie i386, amd64 and so on. The kind of install you want ie dekstop and which packages is related to your setup during install. There are speciallized cd's for setting up a kde envirenment and others as well. |
| 16:11.08 | jelly-home | inashdeen: 30GB of software can't fit on a single CD. |
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| 16:11.52 | inashdeen | jelly-home : but i just download cd1 let say, is it enough to run as an OS. |
| 16:12.06 | dutchfish | lenswipe, unfortunately i have the point you to #ubuntu for that, its not a huge difference but it is not supported in here. |
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| 16:12.27 | lenswipe | dutchfish, im not asking for ubuntu support, im just letting you know what the outcome of the conversation was :) |
| 16:12.31 | inashdeen | dutchfish : sorry, i suppose i must have used the wrong term. what i mean is on what kernel is debian wheezy ( testing) is running. |
| 16:13.02 | dutchfish | inashdeen, ah ok. |
| 16:13.16 | jelly-home | inashdeen: it is enough for install a base system, capable of using a wired internet connection, and being able to install more stuff. |
| 16:13.22 | lenswipe | dutchfish, i told the group that we would need 7 live CD copies or a BOOTP server setup and a network switch etc etc and they said why not just use full Debian CDs? to which i said that each install is 6CDs so they went for ubuntu >: { |
| 16:13.38 | dutchfish | inashdeen, http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=debian-kernel@lists.debian.org |
| 16:13.57 | jelly-home | lenswipe: dutchfish said netinst CDs, not live CDs. |
| 16:14.28 | lenswipe | jelly-home, i meant netinst CDs :p |
| 16:14.38 | inashdeen | ok, thank you :) . last but not the least, if it is not too much to ask, can i install jockey-gtk on debian? |
| 16:14.47 | dutchfish | lenswipe, you use a live-cd so you don't have to install, a net-install is used for installing it on the machines |
| 16:14.57 | lenswipe | dutchfish, i know |
| 16:15.02 | lenswipe | typo |
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| 16:15.35 | jelly-home | nothing wrong with ubuntu. |
| 16:15.46 | lenswipe | jelly-home, yes there is |
| 16:15.50 | lenswipe | "unity" |
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| 16:16.09 | jelly-home | lenswipe: you're able to install a different interface at will. |
| 16:16.23 | lenswipe | like gdm2? |
| 16:16.35 | lenswipe | i loved GDM2 i wish GDM3 didnt exist :/ |
| 16:16.36 | dutchfish | lenswipe, it is not in the repository, but you can port it yourself. Go by the source Luke. |
| 16:16.46 | lenswipe | hmm |
| 16:16.56 | inashdeen | sorry, but bump |
| 16:17.00 | lenswipe | im just gonna use oldbuntu :P |
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| 16:17.24 | dutchfish | lenswipe, do you have anymore Debian questions? |
| 16:17.33 | lenswipe | none, thanks for the help :) |
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| 16:18.19 | dutchfish | inashdeen, its not in the repository |
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| 16:19.05 | dutchfish | inashdeen, fyi, ubuntu has a request removal pending too |
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| 16:23.33 | haole | hello there... how do i send a bug with reportbug that has been saved as a draft? can't seem to find this in the docs |
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| 16:25.23 | Bartzy | Hey |
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| 16:25.31 | Bartzy | the lost+found directory in ext3 filesystems is needed ? |
| 16:25.34 | Bartzy | or can I just delete it ? |
| 16:26.12 | dutchfish | haole, http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug#Using_GMail.27s_SMTP_Server |
| 16:26.39 | jelly-home | Bartzy: it doesn't hurt anyone. Keep it. |
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| 16:27.24 | haole | dutchfish: but how do i send a draft that was saved in /tmp? |
| 16:27.25 | Leoneof | hello, i'm using KDE, the command xhost+ is required to run gui application from terminal, why? |
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| 16:28.53 | dutchfish | haole, that depends on you mail system; i could be misinterpreting you .... |
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| 16:29.20 | haole | dutchfish: so, if the draft was saved in /tmp, i just need to send it to the right email address to fill a bug? |
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| 16:29.59 | dutchfish | haole, basically yes, saving it as a draft is merely to ammend further editing beofre sending it by mail |
| 16:30.22 | jaakkos | i wonder if i should worry about klogd+sysklogd being removed due to dependency errors in testing.. |
| 16:30.27 | haole | dutchfish: could you just give me a last tip and tell me what is the command to send it through the command line? |
| 16:30.46 | jaakkos | initscripts breaks sysklogd |
| 16:30.53 | Leoneof | hey jaakkos , you are using kde? |
| 16:31.09 | jaakkos | nope, xfce4 |
| 16:31.12 | Leoneof | ok |
| 16:31.21 | jaakkos | was it somehow related |
| 16:31.39 | jelly-home | jaakkos: hey, it's testing. It gets broken. Using rsyslog instead will work around that bug. |
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| 16:33.33 | Bartzy | jelly-home: I deleted it :D Should I just create it with mkdir and give it 700 permissions and root.root ownership ? |
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| 16:34.25 | jelly-home | Bartzy: you can use mklost+found command. |
| 16:34.46 | dutchfish | haole, mail -s "Report 05/06/07 and some more" reportbugs@sowhere.com < bugreport.txt |
| 16:34.58 | dutchfish | (example) |
| 16:35.34 | dutchfish | haole, for the exact format http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug |
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| 16:36.18 | Bartzy | jelly-home: heh, thanks |
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| 16:36.53 | tremon | dutchfish, problem with that is that mail treats the entire message as body, while reportbug also saves some headers in the file |
| 16:36.55 | haole | dutchfish: thanks |
| 16:37.32 | folivora | Gday, I am trying to do make install for top-3.8beta1.tar.gz <-- (ofc extracted one)... I am getting error: ./machine/m_linux.c:71:44: fatal error: asm/page.h: No such file or directory ..Any ideas ? |
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| 16:37.38 | Bartzy | jelly-home: I have a new, empty ext3 filesystem. df -m reports 129MB are used. How come? :) |
| 16:37.44 | dutchfish | haole, also http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
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| 16:38.10 | dutchfish | tremon, sure, but as i stated beofre i manually edit them beofre sending |
| 16:38.13 | jelly-home | Bartzy: space reserved for the journal |
| 16:38.29 | Bartzy | jelly-home: So it counts as used space? |
| 16:38.30 | jelly-home | Bartzy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3 |
| 16:38.39 | Bartzy | jelly-home: But 130MB out of only 35GB ? :o |
| 16:38.46 | jelly-home | Bartzy: yes. |
| 16:39.05 | dutchfish | tremon, if not editing is needed, why not let reportbug send them immidiately? |
| 16:39.11 | Bartzy | jelly-home: How come? Is it more for bigger filesystems ? |
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| 16:39.24 | jelly-home | how come what? |
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| 16:39.55 | Bartzy | jelly-home: What is the calculation of the size of the journal ? |
| 16:40.00 | Macer | well.. that was pretty straighforward |
| 16:40.04 | Bartzy | Why 129MB and not some other size ? |
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| 16:40.43 | dutchfish | haole, also take a peak at bug-buddy and reportbug-ng |
| 16:40.43 | jelly-home | Bartzy: you'll have to read the mk32fs source code for that |
| 16:40.49 | jelly-home | mke2fs * |
| 16:42.03 | tremon | dutchfish: as it stands, it is completely unclear what to do with mailheaders when editing a saved bugreport. You need knowledge of the smtp protocol to understand that these lines need to be removed |
| 16:42.36 | dutchfish | tremon, for sure it can be improved. I had my fair share already on my own. |
| 16:42.43 | tremon | :) |
| 16:43.16 | jaakkos | new eclipse is finally in testing. |
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| 16:49.11 | gimpy135 | I have a user (deluge) who is a member of a group (myself) which can't access a directory with a mode of 770 and ownership of white:myself. Why? I tried logging out and in again, same problem. http://dpaste.com/688164/ |
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| 16:52.32 | valdyn | gimpy135: nfs access permissions are probably enforced remotely, not locally |
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| 16:53.53 | gimpy135 | valdyn: As in NFS knows what remote UID is doing an open() or whatever? |
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| 16:54.09 | valdyn | gimpy135: probably |
| 16:54.48 | jelly-home | gimpy135: in nfs v2-v3, numeric uids and gids get mapped 1:1 |
| 16:54.57 | jelly-home | (except for root) |
| 16:55.37 | gimpy135 | jelly-home: Hmm, so I need a deluge user on the NFS server with the same UID. |
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| 16:55.41 | valdyn | gimpy135: actually, everything else would be retarded and would make nfs unsuitable for alot of stuff |
| 16:55.57 | jelly-home | gimpy135: yes, make sure the numeric values are the same |
| 16:56.59 | thederpherder | can anyone help me configure dhcpd on debian? I can't figure out the options to fix this error. dhcpd: Not configured to listen on any interfaces! |
| 16:57.50 | jelly-home | thederpherder: which dhcpd? |
| 16:58.09 | jelly-home | (what package) |
| 16:58.41 | Macer | well.. the via C7 seems to have taken nicely to debian |
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| 16:58.56 | Macer | i think i am the only person on the planet who owns an artigo heh |
| 16:59.25 | dutchfish | thederpherder, configure /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf with the right IP |
| 16:59.28 | Macer | one of the few embedded devices made with a C7 .. in all it's 1GHz/1GB glory |
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| 17:02.36 | thederpherder | jelly-home: isc-dhcpd-4.1.1-P1 |
| 17:03.28 | thederpherder | jelly-home: I'm new to setting up DHCP. I don't know why it isn't working, let me pastebin the conf here for you |
| 17:04.47 | thederpherder | http://pastebin.com/6szsNnSR |
| 17:05.15 | thederpherder | see how I tried to use DHCPDARGS to set the Interface? |
| 17:05.34 | gimpy135 | jelly-home: I still get perm denied even with identical UIDs and GID on the server. http://dpaste.com/688174/ |
| 17:07.44 | dutchfish | thederpherder, the pain is in line 40; no declared ip for routers.lan. |
| 17:08.12 | dutchfish | thederpherder, you need a working option routers |
| 17:08.20 | konradb | what program is using to "run" by alt + f2 in gnome2? |
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| 17:08.26 | konradb | full name plox |
| 17:08.28 | konradb | :) |
| 17:08.54 | thederpherder | dutchfish: even if router.lan resolves correctly with DNS? |
| 17:08.57 | gimpy135 | konradb: What do you mean? alt+f2 allows you to run whatever program you want, such as firefox. |
| 17:09.22 | dutchfish | thederpherder, yes. Because it is asumed to be local. |
| 17:09.47 | dutchfish | thederpherder, ie the binding interface |
| 17:09.50 | konradb | gimpy135: yes, but what program is binded in alt+f2? |
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| 17:10.07 | konradb | for example, for openbox is gmrun |
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| 17:10.36 | konradb | couse, alt + f2 doesnt work, and i want to bind it myself. |
| 17:11.00 | dutchfish | thederpherder, also check /etc/hosts if it is declared in there |
| 17:11.07 | thederpherder | dutchfish: ok so I changed router.lan to the ip of the router and when I restart the service i still get this from syslog. Jan 15 17:09:57 vili dhcpd: Not configured to listen on any interfaces! |
| 17:11.18 | dutchfish | thederpherder, also check /etc/hosts if it is declared in there |
| 17:11.37 | thederpherder | what needs to be defined in hosts? the router? |
| 17:12.04 | dutchfish | thederpherder, the ip adress your machine is listening on for dhcp requests |
| 17:12.39 | jaakkos | gimpy135: have you logged out+in after adding yourself to the group... |
| 17:12.51 | thederpherder | dutchfish: How do I do that? I am familiar with hosts... but not what you are talking about |
| 17:13.18 | grayghost | why can't I run firefox in deb 6 |
| 17:13.30 | dutchfish | thewanderer1, something like x.x.x.x router.lan |
| 17:14.02 | tremon | thederpherder: what if you remove DHCPDARGS? |
| 17:15.22 | dutchfish | thederpherder, something like x.x.x.x host.domain.tld host | this is all needed because your dhcpd can be configured for more then one subnet |
| 17:15.29 | tremon | also, what is in /etc/default/*dhcp*? |
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| 17:16.15 | thederpherder | tremon: No that didn't work... I even tried changing it to INTERFACES="iface"; |
| 17:17.22 | tremon | what have you tried? INTERFACES="" or INTERFACES="venet0:0"? |
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| 17:17.33 | _Mikey | is anyone running wheezy at the moment? |
| 17:17.39 | dokma | I've mounted netinstall CD on a linux guest in virtualbox |
| 17:17.50 | dokma | how do I tell apt to pull packages off of it? |
| 17:18.06 | jaakkos | gimpy135: you should use the groups command to see what groups you are part of, instead of catting /etc/group because that might not reflect the current situation |
| 17:18.15 | dokma | root |
| 17:18.26 | tremon | dokma: you don't. The whole point of netinstall is to download the packages from the Internet |
| 17:18.38 | jaakkos | gimpy135: in nfsv3, access control is usually done entirely on client side. |
| 17:19.04 | dokma | tremon: there are some packages on the netinstall that I need to get connection |
| 17:19.21 | dokma | so I just need that one time to enable wan |
| 17:19.22 | konradb | nvm |
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| 17:19.57 | tremon | dokma: yes, but they are udebs, and you install/enable them with udpkg, not apt (iirc) |
| 17:20.00 | thederpherder | dutchfish: tremon: I noticed that /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server had INTERFACES=""; in it. |
| 17:20.18 | dokma | tremon: never heard |
| 17:20.46 | thederpherder | dutchfish: tremon: I changed it to INTERFACES="venet0:0"; and now syslog says Jan 15 17:18:12 vili dhcpd: No subnet declaration for venet0 (127.0.0.2). |
| 17:20.46 | thederpherder | Jan 15 17:18:12 vili dhcpd: ** Ignoring requests on venet0. If this is not what |
| 17:20.46 | thederpherder | Jan 15 17:18:12 vili dhcpd: you want, please write a subnet declaration |
| 17:20.46 | thederpherder | Jan 15 17:18:12 vili dhcpd: in your dhcpd.conf file for the network segment |
| 17:20.46 | thederpherder | Jan 15 17:18:12 vili dhcpd: to which interface venet0 is attached. ** |
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| 17:21.23 | tremon | so, at least you dhcp server is starting. what is your ip addresses on venet0:0? |
| 17:21.32 | tremon | s/you/your |
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| 17:21.57 | thederpherder | oops |
| 17:22.10 | thederpherder | I got kicked, did you say anything after that? |
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| 17:23.38 | dutchfish | thederpherder, < tremon> so, at least you dhcp server is starting. what is your ip addresses on venet0:0? |
| 17:23.59 | tremon | dutchfish, thx |
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| 17:24.08 | thederpherder | 10.133.7.3 dutchfish |
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| 17:25.19 | tremon | ok, so that's in the correct subnet range. It's complaining about venet0, not venet0:0, so what's your ip/netmask there? |
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| 17:25.44 | thederpherder | dutchfish: it still isnt starting because the iterfaces arent defined yet |
| 17:26.02 | dutchfish | thederpherder, follow tremon :) |
| 17:26.18 | thederpherder | tremon no that was my mistake I copied the wrong one. I put venet0 and venet):0 in there. I am using venet0:0 for sure |
| 17:26.36 | thederpherder | erm typo but you get what i mean |
| 17:28.59 | thederpherder | tremon how do I correctly make the subnet declaration for my network? |
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| 17:29.17 | tremon | I've never used dhcp server with multiple aliases on an interface. How do you know it's not working? |
| 17:29.36 | thederpherder | ....because the service won't start? |
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| 17:30.04 | serega_by | Hi all |
| 17:30.31 | tremon | please pastebin the full output of ip show address |
| 17:30.37 | thederpherder | http://pastebin.com/KzfnZxZa this is from syslog tremon |
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| 17:30.48 | ChrisH | tremon: I haven seen all talks so far, but having alias IPs on an interface does not harm DHCP... My dhcpd is fine with it |
| 17:31.02 | tremon | thederpherder: sry, ip address show |
| 17:31.10 | thederpherder | http://pastebin.com/KdA3dmdG |
| 17:31.14 | tremon | chrish: thx, wasn't sure about that |
| 17:31.36 | ChrisH | This is the issue here: dhcpd: Not configured to listen on any interfaces! |
| 17:31.41 | thederpherder | http://pastebin.com/ZaWBAp1uH |
| 17:31.43 | serega_by | How i can compile this code in debian (http://pastebin.com/ag7V5seF )? I try to use this command : nasm "%f", but i get message, that "asm.pas:3: error: symbol `data' redefined" |
| 17:32.17 | tremon | thederpherder: smart money's on your ip address for venet0 (127.0.0.2) |
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| 17:32.58 | tremon | thederpherder: I think dhcp is not expecting aliases in different subnets, and stops looking after it discards venet0 |
| 17:33.20 | thederpherder | ChrisH: yes that's right.... once I added the interface to the /etc/default/*dhcp I get http://pastebin.com/KzfnZxZa |
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| 17:33.53 | thederpherder | tremon look at this pastebin though. It recognises the interface as venet0:0 in the error http://pastebin.com/KzfnZxZa |
| 17:34.07 | ChrisH | tremon: no it continues, mine complains about the VMWare Interfaces and starts to work in the one defined ones. |
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| 17:34.56 | thederpherder | uh... ok so what to I do to fix this |
| 17:34.57 | tremon | but it says that venet0:0 has no ip address... |
| 17:35.23 | stack_ | hello, I have a pidfile with multiple pid in it,is it possibile to tel start-stop-daemon to kill all the pids contained in that file? |
| 17:35.32 | ChrisH | thederpherder: IMy /etc/defaule/dhcp is empty! All config is done in /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf |
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| 17:36.41 | tremon | thederpherder: please edit your netmask on venet0:0 |
| 17:36.42 | tremon | it |
| 17:36.48 | tremon | it's /32 ? |
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| 17:37.19 | thederpherder | Its /8? |
| 17:37.40 | tremon | no, your pastebin says 255.255.255.255 |
| 17:37.43 | dutchfish | thederpherder, since 127.0.0.2 is link.local and can't be resolved over dns, i bet there isn't a declaration for the host in /etc/hosts as i mentioned before. Also check interfaces, i see no macs either. |
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| 17:40.38 | thederpherder | so do I need to modify the netmask on venet0:0 to be 255.0.0.0 and add entry 127.0.0.2 localhost in the /etc/hosts? dutchfish tremon |
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| 17:41.18 | tremon | according to dhcpd.conf your netmask should be 255.255.255.0 |
| 17:41.28 | ChrisH | thederpherder: Did you pastebin ifconfig -a and the dhcpd.conf somewhere? |
| 17:41.50 | dutchfish | thederpherder, i am not sure about the netmask, but the /etc/hosts entry for 127.0.0.2 is needed for a bind from dhcpd |
| 17:41.58 | thederpherder | http://pastebin.com/KdA3dmdG |
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| 17:42.44 | thederpherder | sys config ^ and dhcpd.conf --> http://pastebin.com/6szsNnSR |
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| 17:43.04 | thederpherder | erm not sysconfig ifconfing |
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| 17:45.13 | PhoenixSTF | hey guys, i have squeeze with e2fsprogs V 1.41 and i want to upgrade to 1.42 where can i find the deb pkg? |
| 17:45.54 | thederpherder | So do I edit the hosts file to have these two lines then? or do I declare 127.0.0.2 some othere way? 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost 127.0.0.2 localhost.localdomain localhost |
| 17:46.46 | jargon- | anybody here use hp proliant servers? |
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| 17:47.06 | thederpherder | dutchfish: ? |
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| 17:47.13 | ChrisH | thederpherder: Puh, now I understand the issue.. Why dont you assign 10.133.7.1/24 to vnet0? Is there any need to use the 127.0.0.2 there? |
| 17:47.37 | dutchfish | ChrisH, good point |
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| 17:48.12 | ChrisH | thederpherder: I cannot proove it, but I would not name 127.0.0.2 localhost, too. |
| 17:49.19 | dutchfish | this machine only need one ip to have bind to the local subnet, if you want more the hosts need to distinct |
| 17:49.34 | OU818 | I am trying to install squeeze to an SD card, my first attempt went fine and installed perfectly. Now I am trying to reinstall to this SD card. but the installer does not see this devices (I have verified it exists w. fdisk -l) is there a way to manually set the drive to install on? |
| 17:51.19 | dutchfish | thederpherder, if you intension is not to setup a bridge later on, i see no reason for the second local ip |
| 17:52.48 | thederpherder | thats how proxmox configured my interfaces when I installed the openvz VM. dutchfish ChrisH |
| 17:52.58 | dokma | how do I find out what is my dns ip selected by dhcp ?? |
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| 17:53.14 | petemc | dokma: look in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:53.23 | dokma | thanks |
| 17:53.56 | PhoenixSTF | how can i install a whezzy pacakage on squeeze? |
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| 17:55.31 | tremon | PhoenixSTF: download it from packages.debian.org and use dpkg -i |
| 17:55.32 | yoshio | judd: help |
| 17:55.33 | judd | (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 17:55.33 | ChrisH | thederpherder: I did a quick man-page check and shared-networks might be worth testing here. But I am unsure if dhcpd requires an interface in the network is should serve. Sounds resonable to request one. |
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| 17:55.47 | PhoenixSTF | tremon, ty |
| 17:56.31 | tremon | PhoenixSTF: better solution is to set APT::Default-Release and add wheezy to sources.list |
| 17:56.41 | yoshio | ,versions e2fsprogs |
| 17:56.43 | judd | Package: e2fsprogs on i386 -- lenny: 1.41.3-1; squeeze: 1.41.12-4stable1; sid: 1.42-1; wheezy: 1.42-1 |
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| 17:57.02 | PhoenixSTF | tremon, ok how do I do that? |
| 17:57.11 | dokma | I'm getting refused with dig no matter which dns server I use |
| 17:57.16 | dokma | even with google's 8.8.8.8 |
| 17:57.23 | dokma | how to find out what is the reason? |
| 17:57.25 | thederpherder | ChrisH: I think I might be more confused now. |
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| 17:58.09 | thederpherder | :q! |
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| 17:58.31 | PhoenixSTF | tremon, ok found it deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian wheezy main |
| 17:58.48 | ChrisH | What is OpenVZ? |
| 17:59.01 | yoshio | !openvz |
| 17:59.01 | dpkg | OpenVZ provides OS-level <virtualization>, creating isolated and secure virtual private servers on a single physical server. <KMS> is disabled in Debian -openvz kernel packages since linux-2.6 2.6.32-22. Deprecated in Debian (BTS #574529) and not supported for <wheezy>; ask me about <lxc>, <kvm>, <xen>. http://wiki.debian.org/OpenVz http://wiki.openvz.org/Installation_on_Debian http://www.openvz.org/ #openvz on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:59.31 | tremon | PhoenixSTF: basically you can copy the lines you already have, substitute wheezy (or testing) for squeeze (or stable) |
| 17:59.58 | PhoenixSTF | tremon, is it wise to do that? |
| 18:00.03 | jargon- | is there a server-related channel for debian? i'm looking for some advice on proliant servers and Fibre channel host bus adapters |
| 18:00.18 | PhoenixSTF | tremon, when i do upgrade wont it update every package on it? |
| 18:00.32 | tremon | PhoenixSTF: only if you upgrade without setting Default-Release |
| 18:00.38 | ChrisH | OpenVZ sounds a but like Solaris Zones |
| 18:00.47 | yoshio | PhoenixSTF, it's not wise to mix stuff from different releases. maybe upgrade your entire system to wheezy? |
| 18:01.32 | thederpherder | ChrisH: tremon: I don't really thing reconfiguring the interfaces is the answer as if I messs that up, I am ssh'ed in and things will get ugly. I still think I just need a properly structured subnet declaration in the dhcpd.conf but I don't know how to do this. |
| 18:01.54 | doorp | I'm trying to install Debian 6.0.3 with a USB stick of the live cd (Standard). I have 1 HDD, 2 USB sticks. (1 is the livecd). I tried having /boot at the second USB Stick, while root and swap at the secondary partition of the HDD. When I try to reboot while booting from the USB stick... I get: "GRUB loading." "Welcome to GRUB!" ... and it stucks there... any hint where the problem might be? |
| 18:01.57 | PhoenixSTF | yoshio, ok but wheezy is the new realease or is it just for testing? |
| 18:02.03 | PhoenixSTF | tremon, ty m8 |
| 18:02.05 | thederpherder | this system is serving dns to the .lan domain |
| 18:02.27 | yoshio | PhoenixSTF, squeeze is stable, wheezy is testing |
| 18:02.28 | tremon | thederpherder: your subnet declaration needs to match your interface |
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| 18:02.56 | yoshio | PhoenixSTF, another option is you can recompile the wheezy package for squeeze - type "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 18:03.00 | PhoenixSTF | yoshio, ty but i just want a better e2fsck for a large FS ^^ |
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| 18:03.38 | ChrisH | http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Deployment_Guide/sect-Configuring_a_Multihomed_DHCP_Server.html Says do NOT use aliases in /etc/default/dhcp otherwise dhpcd will not start |
| 18:03.53 | thederpherder | I tried - subnet 10.133.7.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 { range 10.133.7.100 10.133.7.200; option routers 10.133.7.1;} but then I get an output of bad subnet number/mask combination. |
| 18:04.07 | yoshio | PhoenixSTF, maybe burn a wheezy installer to cd or usb stick, and use that to fsck your filesystems? |
| 18:04.24 | thederpherder | does it need to be 10.0.0.0 and 255.0.0.0 |
| 18:04.51 | PhoenixSTF | yoshio, thats a nice idea, but i have to mount the mdadm again |
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| 18:05.03 | PhoenixSTF | yoshio, i think i am ok :) |
| 18:05.06 | tremon | thederpherder: yes, but that still won't match your interface |
| 18:05.10 | ChrisH | thederpherder: subnet 10.133.7.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
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| 18:05.57 | ChrisH | away for diner |
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| 18:06.54 | academy | I have traffic arriving on an IPSEC tunnel and want to SNAT it before it leaves. A normal SNAT rule in POSTROUTING doesn't seem to apply. What to I need to do to SNAT ipsec traffic? |
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| 18:12.32 | doorp | Guys?... during Debian 6.0.3 install I try to use a USB stick's partition as "/boot", while root and swap located on the hdd... after reboot I get: "GRUB loading." "Welcome to GRUB!" ... and it stuck there? |
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| 18:27.33 | Flynn | Hello. I am updating from squeeze to testing. At the end of sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, I had this message. |
| 18:27.37 | Flynn | Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/hpijs_3.11.10-1_amd64.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/libsane-hpaio_3.11.10-1_amd64.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/hplip-cups_3.11.10-1_amd64.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 18:28.15 | Flynn | I had lost my wireless internet connection for a couple seconds several times during the process. Is there somthing I should do? Perhaps I should download the packages individually? |
| 18:29.44 | dasBasti | delete them and try again |
| 18:30.14 | Flynn | Just delete those packages and try to download just those 3? |
| 18:30.30 | Flynn | Or delete those 3 and try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 18:30.51 | Flynn | I was thinking that the latter might move from testing to sid. |
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| 18:31.21 | doorp | Nobody experienced with booting from a USB stick issues? |
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| 18:32.38 | dasBasti | just those 3 and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:32.45 | Flynn | dasBasti: Thanks. |
| 18:32.53 | yoshio | !usb install |
| 18:32.54 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 18:34.30 | sacredchao | s |
| 18:34.31 | doorp | yoshio: Thanks... but I don't think this is the case... I have 2 USB sticks during install, 1 is the installer - the other I would like to place /boot on... but after the install is done successfully - I get the screen: "GRUB loading." "Welcome to GRUB!" .. and it stucks there |
| 18:35.01 | OU818 | Is there a way I can manually set what disk debian should install to outside of the ncurses install menu |
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| 18:35.38 | OU818 | doorp try taking out the installer USB |
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| 18:35.53 | doorp | OU818: During the install? |
| 18:36.00 | OU818 | after the install is complete |
| 18:36.21 | doorp | OU818: I have... I experienced the same screen |
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| 18:39.03 | doorp | Maybe there's an issue when trying to have /boot on a USB stick while having a SSD as the /root? |
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| 18:39.38 | grayghost | why is Java not installed by default .... and there seams to be no way to install it ?? |
| 18:40.25 | OU818 | doorp: I think that maybe the drives are reassigned after you remove one |
| 18:41.03 | yoshio | !openjdk |
| 18:41.03 | dpkg | OpenJDK is the open source release of <Java> from Sun Microsystems (now Oracle America). All required functionality (according to the J2SE spec) is present, but some optional stuff is missing and some stuff uses different implementations from Oracle's binary JDK. Install the openjdk-6-jre package for the runtime environment or openjdk-6-jdk for the development kit. http://openjdk.java.net/ #openjdk on irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:41.23 | doorp | OU818: I tried both keeping them together, and keeping only the boot USB stick... didn't seem to work either way :| |
| 18:42.13 | ChrisH | doorp: Why did you put /boot on USB and the rest onto a HD? Just curious |
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| 18:42.36 | doorp | ChrisH: I would like to keep the local SSD fully encrypted |
| 18:42.55 | OU818 | doorp: ie USB1 is the installer and labeled sda and USB2 is the /boot and sdb, now that you're install is complete its possible that your /etc/fstab references the wrong location. |
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| 18:42.57 | doorp | ChrisH: Though, I haven't encrypted it yet... the /boot testing is while having a regular unencrypted install |
| 18:43.30 | ChrisH | doorp: an unencrypted boot partition would be the same? |
| 18:43.57 | grayghost | dpkg: Do I have to remove the previous install .... that I can't get to work? |
| 18:43.57 | dpkg | does I have to remove the previous install .... that I can't get to work |
| 18:44.00 | doorp | ChrisH: That's what I'm trying to achieve, unencrypted boot partition on a removable drive - USB stick |
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| 18:45.04 | doorp | OU818: I don't think it's the case, because I even tried to setup the USB stick from within an installed instance (which had the /boot on the drive)... so I couldn't get the mapping wrong... and I get the exact same screen then also |
| 18:45.16 | doorp | I pretty much wasted a whole day for this thing... :| |
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| 18:45.54 | ChrisH | doorp: You are sure the BIOS can boot from USB-Stick? |
| 18:46.36 | doorp | ChrisH: Of course, it's a brand new laptop - I use USB sticks to fire Windows XP, Windows 7, and even Debian's installer from the very same USB stick (same brand/model/size) |
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| 18:47.50 | doorp | ChrisH: The only thing "different" I can think of - is my SSD... something tells me it's not supported within this scenario |
| 18:47.52 | ChrisH | doorp: Does grub gets interactive? |
| 18:48.05 | doorp | ChrisH: I'm sorry? |
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| 18:48.14 | doorp | ChrisH: "gets interactive"? |
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| 18:49.48 | doorp | ChrisH: I get... #1: "GRUB loading." #2: "Welcome to GRUB!" #2: "" #3: "_" (blinking) |
| 18:49.59 | doorp | Er, sorry for the double #2 :) |
| 18:50.33 | ChrisH | doorp: So you can interact with grub? Type things like root .. ? |
| 18:50.57 | doorp | ChrisH: Nope... seems pretty much stuck |
| 18:51.18 | Some_Person | I'm thinking about switching from debian stable to testing so I can have newer packages and stuff, but I'm a bit concerned about things potentially breaking |
| 18:51.19 | m8 | PhoenixSTF, i'm here |
| 18:51.54 | ChrisH | OK. Did you try a manuall grub_install to the USB Stick? I assume yes. |
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| 18:53.46 | doorp | ChrisH: I tried making a regular install on the SSD, while having a separated partition for /boot. Then I tried to create the USB boot manually - which caused the exact same misbehavior |
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| 18:54.00 | Some_Person | How unstable/unusable is testing generally? |
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| 18:56.49 | doorp | Anybody tried the same scenario with a SSD? (having /boot on a USB stick, while root and swap on a local SSD?) |
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| 18:57.18 | acu | I have Virtual Machine Manager 0.9.0 in Debian Wheezy 7.0 (testing), and with KVM everything seems to work fine - but I do not see the HOST control on the MENU - of Virtual Machine Manager - any Hints ? |
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| 19:01.26 | ChrisH | Some_Person: To me, testing is more stable then the Software from Redmond :) Testing is my default release to install to anything which is not a server. |
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| 19:06.09 | antgel | hi all, how do i get dkms to rebuild all necessary modules for my installed kernels? had some problems installing kernels before and now somehow i'm left without fglrx for all of them |
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| 19:06.46 | Some_Person | ChrisH: How often would you say that it breaks? |
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| 19:11.03 | mah454 | Hello |
| 19:11.12 | mah454 | I use Laptop Pavilion dm 1 |
| 19:11.33 | mah454 | i install debian on this . but wireless do not work ! |
| 19:11.39 | mah454 | How can fix this problem ? |
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| 19:12.41 | Talon_ | did your install disc mension any firmware for network adapters during installation and give you a choice to load from disc before continuing? You don't haveto, but its a good idea to jot that down to know what to grab afterwards |
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| 19:19.34 | karthick87 | How to setup pxe boot server in debian? |
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| 19:22.06 | Harzilein | karthick87: by making the needed dhcp entries, setting up the needed tftp files, then providing whatever the tftp images need to boot |
| 19:22.36 | karthick87 | Harzilein: Is there any guide? |
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| 19:23.56 | Harzilein | karthick87: i did not use one because my setup started out with dnsmasq for dhcp, so it was a bit more exotic. it only required basic googling though. |
| 19:24.54 | Harzilein | karthick87: there is a page listing numeric dhcp options, you should get some ideas glossing over them |
| 19:24.55 | karthick87 | Harzilein: Can you help me to setup a pxe server pls |
| 19:25.23 | Harzilein | karthick87: sorry, i'm dead tired, sorry i took out the momentum. tried the debian wiki? |
| 19:25.44 | karthick87 | Not yet |
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| 19:29.37 | Harzilein | karthick87: there seems to be a passage in the installation guide as well |
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| 19:30.35 | Harzilein | karthick87: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en |
| 19:30.39 | karthick87 | Just give me a basic idea pls. I have manual ip setting in all the machines, do i need a DHCP server then. |
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| 19:32.09 | Harzilein | karthick87: huh? _where_ did you set the ips? i thought you still want to boot them with pxe, then surely they do not have an ip at that time. |
| 19:32.48 | karthick87 | Setting up DHCP server will affect manual addressing or not?? |
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| 19:32.57 | Harzilein | karthick87: part of pxe is asking the dhcp server for the ip of the server with the boot images |
| 19:33.08 | Harzilein | karthick87: no |
| 19:33.21 | karthick87 | Oke thank you, i will try it tonight |
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| 19:34.55 | Harzilein | karthick87: do you want to boot installation images or live images? the latter is a bit tricky, i'd ask in OFTC #debian-live for guidance to prevent frustrating dead ends |
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| 19:37.04 | chaospsychex | hi |
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| 19:37.59 | chaospsychex | i've just installed debian squeeze. wlan0 was working in the installer but now that i have booted the system after the install it says 'device not managed' and lists no wireless networks. what do i need to do? |
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| 19:38.43 | ZitZ | hi, i'm trying to setup a davical server, and for that i need to setup postgresql, but i installed postgresql but i don't know how to make it run, there is no postgresql process |
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| 19:38.55 | ZitZ | chaospsychex: what does iwconfig show? |
| 19:39.25 | chaospsychex | iwconfig says 'command not found' it's not installed ? |
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| 19:39.33 | karthick87 | Harzilein: Installation images |
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| 19:40.01 | ZitZ | chaospsychex: do you have an ethernet connection currently, because you'll need wireless-tools package |
| 19:40.05 | rubin110 | Is there some wiki page on the new way blacklists work for modprobe? |
| 19:40.29 | karthick87 | ZitZ: Iwconfig is similar to ifconfig(8), but is dedicated to the wireless interfaces. |
| 19:41.11 | Harzilein | karthick87: then i think the installation guide plus some googling (like i said, the dhcp numeric option table is helpful) should get you there |
| 19:41.28 | ZitZ | he'll still need it to do iwconfig wlan0 essid "network" |
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| 19:44.30 | aguitel | anyone know how install razor-qt in debian ? |
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| 19:46.44 | karthick87 | Harzilein: I m following this guide http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 will it help? |
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| 19:48.15 | ZitZ | it turns out that there is an outstanding bug from Feburary 2010 where upon installation postgresql does not create a cluster for the current version, to create a cluster for the current version run the command, /usr/bin/pg_createcluster -u postgres 9.1 main, the debian documentation assumes this command is already run, I'll see if I can modify the documentation to add that command |
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| 20:00.02 | LinuxGuy2009 | Does 32bit squeeze support 8GB of system ram or do I need to upgrade to 64bit version? What is the limit for 32bit? 4GB? |
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| 20:00.40 | OU818 | LinuxGuy2009, use 64bit or the bigmem kernel |
| 20:00.41 | themill | !pae |
| 20:00.41 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension (PAE) is an x86 processor feature allowing more than 4 gigabytes of physical memory to be used. Linux supports PAE since version 2.3.23 (up to 64 GB of memory on 32-bit systems). PAE is supported by the Intel Pentium Pro/II/III/4/4M/D, Xeon, Core and Atom; AMD Geode NX, Athlon (K7), Duron, Opteron, Sempron, Turion and Phenom; Transmeta Efficeon; VIA C7 and some others. Ask me about <bigmem>, <686-pae>. |
| 20:00.51 | jkyle | I need to set up a secondary disk in a pxe late_command script. They'll be 24TB+ in size. What's the best tool for the job? |
| 20:01.12 | LinuxGuy2009 | OU818: is the bigmem kernel in the 32bit repository? |
| 20:01.14 | jkyle | basicaly, a fully scriptable part tool that can handle very large partitions |
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| 20:01.35 | OU818 | LinuxGuy2009 its in the backports repo |
| 20:01.58 | LinuxGuy2009 | OU818: ok cool thank you. |
| 20:01.58 | themill | LinuxGuy2009: yes. a -bigmem or -686-pae kernel is required |
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| 20:03.16 | jkyle | parted seems appropriate |
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| 20:03.47 | LinuxGuy2009 | I just looked in synaptic and see "linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem" that what I need? Looks like squeeze already has a bigmem without backports. This sound correct? |
| 20:04.08 | OU818 | LinuxGuy2009 that should do it |
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| 20:05.11 | LinuxGuy2009 | OU818: Woohoo! Thank you, Im off to the store. |
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| 20:05.36 | acu | I have to setup get a domain and place a webserver in a place where the public IP is DHCP - means is dynamic - what is the best dynamic DNS place I can configure my domain - perhaps buy from them the domain too ? |
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| 20:06.11 | karthick87 | The only remaining job is to download the official Etch installer kernel and associated files and save them in the directories specified in the default file we created: |
| 20:06.30 | karthick87 | I am stuck with ^ ^ that step can anyone help me pls? |
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| 20:08.32 | acu | any dynamic DNS recommendation |
| 20:09.00 | OU818 | acu, I use no-ip, I got no problems |
| 20:09.08 | bint | is there a command to check the version of an application in debian |
| 20:09.14 | Harzilein | i like afraid.org |
| 20:09.15 | bint | like info apache2 or something |
| 20:09.17 | ascheel | This is a very basic question and I apologize in advance... I run my own server and I know 'sendmail' is the classic program used to push outbound mail, but what's the current recommendation? I've seen people use Postfix or EXIM4, but I don't know what the differences are or what I should be looking for with Debian. Are there any resources I'd be able to look at to determine the appropriate application to use? |
| 20:09.33 | Harzilein | but not a lot of pÃlastic routers support it |
| 20:10.10 | ajikeshi | okay... i have a problem.... how do i completely disable pulseaudio in debian wheezy with gnome3 |
| 20:10.23 | ajikeshi | it keeps spawning |
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| 20:10.33 | themill | ascheel: exim4 or postfix are both quite fine. /msg dpkg mta comparison |
| 20:10.43 | ascheel | ajikeshi: try: /etc/init.d/pulseaudio stop |
| 20:10.51 | ascheel | themill: thank you very much. :) |
| 20:11.06 | ajikeshi | ascheel, its spawned via gnome session as far as i can tell |
| 20:11.25 | ascheel | ajikeshi: have you tried stopping the service? |
| 20:11.31 | ajikeshi | yes |
| 20:11.37 | ajikeshi | PulseAudio configured for per-user sessions ... (warning). |
| 20:12.03 | ajikeshi | and i disabled the service start via gnome-session-properties |
| 20:12.08 | ajikeshi | aaand.. its not in any runlevel |
| 20:12.20 | ascheel | themill: am I correct in saying that it's either/or with the MTA applications? |
| 20:12.30 | ascheel | themill: meaning I use one. Period. ? |
| 20:12.44 | ascheel | themill: I'm ok with that, I just want to make sure I'm understanding what I'm getting into, that's all |
| 20:12.59 | dutchfish | ajikeshi, it's a normal warning in debina/testing atm; nothing more; it does not mean the service start, it does mean how it is being configured when it does run |
| 20:13.09 | dutchfish | s/debina/debian (oops) |
| 20:13.11 | bint | hmm |
| 20:13.26 | bint | is there a way to find out what version of a programm i installed on my system per cmd |
| 20:13.39 | bint | like apt-cache versioninfo apache2 oder something |
| 20:13.49 | themill | ascheel: yes, you can only install one m-t-a program from the debian packages. Only one program can listen on :25 so that's quite fine. |
| 20:13.57 | ajikeshi | dutchfish, i know... but it gets somehow spawned by either gdm or gnome |
| 20:14.06 | ajikeshi | and i cant find a way to disable it |
| 20:14.09 | themill | bint: "apt-cache policy package" or "dpkg -l package" |
| 20:14.34 | bint | thx |
| 20:14.36 | dutchfish | ajikeshi, i gues it will be ironed out in thenear future, nothing to worry |
| 20:15.11 | ajikeshi | dutchfish, so there is _no_ clean way to prevent pulseaudio from spawning atm? |
| 20:15.16 | dutchfish | ajikeshi, i have the same in kde |
| 20:15.31 | dutchfish | ajikeshi, it isn't spawned |
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| 20:15.48 | ajikeshi | it spawns when i log in via gdm |
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| 20:16.17 | dutchfish | ajikeshi, thats weird, but then again i use kdm, so i can not tell |
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| 20:16.26 | ajikeshi | mhhh ya |
| 20:16.46 | ajikeshi | dutchfish, with kdm its possible to prevent pa from starting? |
| 20:16.54 | ajikeshi | err i mean kdm/kde |
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| 20:18.55 | dutchfish | ajikeshi, at least it's not being spawned as a desktop popup, but it is still in logs |
| 20:19.08 | ajikeshi | desktop popup? |
| 20:19.13 | dutchfish | yes |
| 20:19.14 | ajikeshi | i mean the pulseaudio daemon |
| 20:19.17 | dutchfish | yes |
| 20:20.03 | dutchfish | ajikeshi, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/pulseaudio-configured-for-per-user-sessions-warning-914796/ |
| 20:20.46 | ajikeshi | maybe you misunderstand me |
| 20:20.53 | ajikeshi | i dont want pulseaudio started ever |
| 20:21.29 | dutchfish | ajikeshi, good :) |
| 20:21.35 | ajikeshi | basically... i would support a beating for the guy who started the pulseaudio project |
| 20:21.52 | dutchfish | no comment |
| 20:22.31 | ajikeshi | maybe too harsh... but pa annoys te shit out of me for a long time now |
| 20:22.42 | dutchfish | ajikeshi, now read my link how to accomplish that |
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| 20:22.50 | ajikeshi | ya |
| 20:22.53 | ajikeshi | i got it |
| 20:22.56 | dutchfish | have fun |
| 20:23.03 | ajikeshi | thanks |
| 20:23.09 | ajikeshi | looks like it will work |
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| 20:23.27 | dutchfish | simonlnu, hi hi |
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| 20:23.50 | acu | I installed base AMD64 wheezy as a virtual machine in KVM - I want to install gnome3 - is this pulling the Xserver-Xorg with it ? |
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| 20:26.00 | jhutchins_lt | file-exists-p: What are you using as a guide to working with ipv6? |
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| 20:34.27 | ajikeshi | dutchfish, well... i dont get a warning now... but gnome still spawns pulseadio... but thanks so far :) |
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| 20:37.09 | haole | hello there... i'm trying to make a local debian mirror for my beowulf cluster's frontend, but i can't seem to get it right... i used mkdebmirror to setup the mirror in a give path, installed apache2 to give http access to it and i can even access the files with the browser if i want... however, apt doesn't seem to be able to understand this setup... what have i missed here? gonna pastebin my sources.list and the output of aptitude upda |
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| 20:38.27 | haole | sources.list: http://pastebin.com/THDEGRfF |
| 20:38.40 | jordanm | haole: are you use that's what you want and not apt-proxy? |
| 20:39.02 | haole | jordanm: it's what is recommended by the fai-project.org documentation |
| 20:39.05 | jordanm | haole: c951b08d doesn't look like a FQDN |
| 20:39.36 | acu | I have dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy - the old kernel is still a choice in the grub - wonder if I could remove anything related to squeeze - have wheezy as clean as possible ? |
| 20:39.38 | haole | aptitude update: http://pastebin.com/GMUPxaZb |
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| 20:39.59 | haole | jordanm: it makes sense, because the nodes will download the packages within the LAN, where the connection speed is really high |
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| 20:40.30 | Dagger3 | haole: do you need a full mirror though, or would something like apt-cache-ng be better? |
| 20:41.05 | haole | Dagger3: i'm using a tool called fai-mirror that will only mirror the packages needed by my nodes |
| 20:41.32 | haole | the problem seems to be simple... could you take a look at the output of aptitude update? it seems to find some stuff and miss some other |
| 20:41.52 | haole | c951b08d is the hostname of the server |
| 20:41.57 | haole | it is being resolved |
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| 20:43.10 | Dagger3 | well... it's giving a 404 |
| 20:43.34 | Dagger3 | check the access logs on the apache server and see what's being requested |
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| 20:43.47 | Dagger3 | either the path is wrong or it's hitting the wrong vhost or something like that |
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| 20:45.46 | OU818 | to answer my own question from like 4 hours ago. this shitty SD card reader for whatever reason decided to only see cards as READ ONLY! im returning it now |
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| 20:46.28 | haole | Dagger3: oh... there is a 'debian' folder in the middle of the path that is screwing it |
| 20:46.38 | haole | thanks for the tip about the logs... now i have to figure out why is it doing this |
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| 21:07.00 | OU818 | anyone running an i3 2100? |
| 21:07.08 | OU818 | intel* |
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| 21:17.24 | Moebius | question. Why does every app appear in the upper left corner? |
| 21:17.28 | Moebius | using gnome. |
| 21:17.34 | Moebius | where can i fix that? |
| 21:17.55 | valdyn | Uranus29: can you stop this namechanging please? |
| 21:18.07 | Uranus29 | valdyn, my nick is not registered. Sorry. |
| 21:18.12 | Uranus29 | i'm annoyed by that too. |
| 21:18.40 | valdyn | Uranus29: try running gconf-editor, search for metacity defaults there |
| 21:18.42 | Uranus29 | anyway... i have a problem, and i'm on verge of irritation already. |
| 21:18.53 | Uranus29 | are you sure it has to do with metacity? Cause i've turned it off. |
| 21:18.59 | Uranus29 | it has an issue of its own. |
| 21:19.03 | valdyn | Uranus29: i dont actually know if this can be changed, but its a window manager feature anyway |
| 21:19.08 | Uranus29 | when i use it panels tend to dissappear. |
| 21:19.11 | Uranus29 | i know |
| 21:19.16 | Uranus29 | but i wanna know WHERE to look. |
| 21:19.21 | valdyn | Uranus29: you need to be using *one* window manager |
| 21:19.35 | Uranus29 | ah... right. Well.. i'm not using composite manager to be precies. |
| 21:19.37 | valdyn | Uranus29: so thats most likely metacity |
| 21:19.43 | Uranus29 | ok.. thanks.. gonna look it up |
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| 21:21.36 | Stealthy | Hi there, I've a problem where apache2 will not start, many websites have been configured, and I'm not sure where the problem lies |
| 21:21.39 | Uranus29 | now it's gone. Thanks. Though i dunno what i did. |
| 21:21.44 | Uranus29 | just fiddled around. |
| 21:22.09 | Stealthy | the only information I have so far is the following error message: Starting web server: apache2Action 'start' failed. The Apache error log may have more information. |
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| 21:22.29 | Stealthy | the error log is empty, and I can't find anywhere else that may show startup fail information. |
| 21:22.46 | Uranus29 | ah... no, it's not gone. That happens only in certain cases. Bummer. |
| 21:22.57 | Uranus29 | as usual... now i have nowhere to look. |
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| 21:35.38 | boudiccas | is it possible to exclude directories/folders from a rsync command please? i know you can do files using a wildcard like *.avi, but is it possible to exclude e.g. /home/boztu/videos ? |
| 21:36.25 | phogg | boudiccas: how about adding a wildcard, like /home/boztu/videos* ? |
| 21:37.02 | boudiccas | hm, it may work. just really want a canonical answer |
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| 21:44.39 | fugu | hi |
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| 21:45.51 | boudiccas | !it |
| 21:45.51 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:48.23 | Sae_boulot | !en |
| 21:48.23 | dpkg | The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de |
| 21:48.43 | Sae_boulot | nice |
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| 21:50.25 | Moebius29 | ok.. here's the thing... everything that is run from file manager appears in the upper left corner. if it's on desktop then no prob. |
| 21:50.35 | Moebius29 | can anyone explain this? |
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| 22:02.48 | awambawamb | ---> ero fugu |
| 22:03.10 | awambawamb | cambiato connessione, e Quassel s'è spaventato |
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| 22:03.51 | awambawamb | infatti "fugu" è ancora connesso... -.-' |
| 22:03.55 | simonlnu | english please |
| 22:03.58 | simonlnu | or : |
| 22:04.00 | simonlnu | !it |
| 22:04.00 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:04.04 | awambawamb | ops sorry |
| 22:04.07 | simonlnu | np |
| 22:04.08 | awambawamb | wrong channel!!! |
| 22:04.11 | awambawamb | xD |
| 22:04.14 | awambawamb | forgive me |
| 22:04.18 | simonlnu | heh :). it's ok |
| 22:04.30 | brime | How does one go about moving all ready running X11 windows between vnc sessions? |
| 22:04.57 | simonlnu | not sure that's possible, unless you use some other app |
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| 22:05.10 | qrq | Debian got software-center package :O |
| 22:05.19 | simonlnu | a while ago |
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| 22:06.55 | simonlnu | i guess that's the 'fugu' s/he was talking about |
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| 22:24.32 | dimaursu16 | hello...guys...do you have debian on toshiba laptop? |
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| 22:26.06 | z28 | dimaursu16: yes, toshiba satellite.. an old one. |
| 22:26.19 | spal | Any good online resource to learn Linux from basics (e.g. commands like ls, ps, find, cut, tr, pipes, redirection, terminal concepts, devices, etc.)? Need something to recommend a newbie to Linux. |
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| 22:26.49 | dimaursu16 | on my laptop, I cant see the processor temperature, and I wonder why? |
| 22:26.56 | dimaursu16 | I have Debian Wheezy |
| 22:27.46 | z28 | dimaursu16: I run Squeeze, works fine. |
| 22:27.48 | simonlnu | !fundamentals |
| 22:27.48 | dpkg | You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/ Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ |
| 22:27.58 | simonlnu | spal: ^^ |
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| 22:28.42 | simonlnu | !debian-next |
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| 22:30.30 | simonlnu | !debian-next dimaursu16 |
| 22:30.31 | dpkg | dimaursu16: #debian-next is a channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) |
| 22:32.56 | acu | hey guys - I want to purchase a domain.com and set it up in a webserver connected to the internet - but with DHCP - means it changes the IPs - is any free dyndns which allows me to use custom (mydomain.com), or you need for all to pay ? |
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| 22:33.32 | simonlnu | dyndns. paid or free |
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| 22:34.49 | jelly-home | https://dns.he.net/ |
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| 22:35.52 | acu | so I can have www.simolnu.com free dns ? or www.jelly-home.com using he.net ? |
| 22:36.15 | jelly-home | and... I misread the question. acu: if you have your own domain, it will have to host its DNS servers somewhere. |
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| 22:37.43 | jelly-home | acu: I have not investigated whether he.net free service allows that |
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| 22:38.30 | jelly-home | acu: it's easily done with a CNAME tho. |
| 22:38.31 | Dagger3 | he.net will host primary DNS servers for you, but I'm not sure if they support dynamic updates |
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| 22:39.33 | just | ciao a tt |
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| 22:39.57 | acu | OK, what is the cheapest then - to have custom domain (mydomain.com) but without a static IP ? - where should I look at ? |
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| 22:40.12 | Dagger3 | ... ok, the "Enable entry for dynamic dns" option for A/AAAA records is suggestive |
| 22:40.36 | acu | godaddy has this features too ? |
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| 22:41.24 | ner0x | Thunderbird not in any repo? |
| 22:41.41 | acu | ner0x, icedove ? |
| 22:41.46 | HeavyMetal | hm why does "ciao a tt" hightlights me |
| 22:41.59 | acu | !icedove |
| 22:41.59 | dpkg | Icedove is a DFSG-free fork of Mozilla Thunderbird, a cross-platform email client, replacing Thunderbird in Debian as of Lenny. Debian is unable to distribute Mozilla Thunderbird as-is due to trademark restrictions, see <DFSG> and <iceweasel>. For help with upstream issues, ask #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org. |
| 22:42.45 | ner0x | acu: Ah, I was wondering if there was sort of "other" iceweasel type thing. |
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| 22:46.21 | ner0x | So did Mozilla specifically say you can't use their brands? |
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| 22:47.09 | themill | !why iceweasel |
| 22:47.09 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
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| 22:51.20 | sh1ken | Hey guys, I have a problem with apache2. When I type # /etc/init.d/apache2 start, it start with no errors... but when I try # /etc/init.d/apache2 status it says that it isn't running. |
| 22:51.31 | daemonkeeper | Read the logs |
| 22:52.36 | sysdef | and run 'apachectl configtest` |
| 22:52.51 | loop | so mozilla wont let you distribute firefox with your OS |
| 22:53.01 | loop | branded as firefox that is |
| 22:53.04 | daemonkeeper | loop: Is this a question? |
| 22:53.07 | loop | yes |
| 22:53.24 | daemonkeeper | themill told you where to read the long(er) story. |
| 22:53.34 | sh1ken | sysdef: Syntax OK |
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| 22:56.09 | sysdef | sh1ken: check 'pidof apache2` and the logs as daemonkeeper told |
| 22:56.11 | loop | what are the reasons you do not want to refer to the browser as firefox?> |
| 22:56.34 | simonlnu | because it's not called that in debian... |
| 22:56.36 | boudiccas | i want to create a file called 20120115.tar.gz from source /media/backup/20120115 but what is the command please? |
| 22:56.49 | simonlnu | tar --help |
| 22:56.50 | daemonkeeper | loop: Again, read the article. It's not "us" who do not want but "them" who were forbidding that. |
| 22:58.45 | loop | but firefox still wants you to install their browser on debian no? |
| 22:58.54 | loop | they just dont want you distributing it? |
| 22:59.07 | loop | and they wrapped all of that around a logo? |
| 22:59.09 | daemonkeeper | They dislike the backport practice. |
| 22:59.25 | daemonkeeper | Mozilla wants people to use the latest version. |
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| 22:59.40 | daemonkeeper | Ironically they announced a "long term support" versions just two days ago. |
| 22:59.45 | daemonkeeper | *version |
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| 23:00.13 | loop | why do you want to stay at -v 3.5? |
| 23:00.38 | daemonkeeper | !stable |
| 23:00.38 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
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| 23:01.23 | Alazare619 | just wondering what you guys think would be the best vnc server software to run on my testing server it needs to be able to accept connections 24/7 without having to ssh into it and start the service |
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| 23:02.16 | loop | is it more of a security issue or a stability issue?: |
| 23:02.44 | Alazare619 | was that directed at me loop? |
| 23:02.56 | loop | anyone who is capable of answering |
| 23:03.31 | daemonkeeper | That's how stable works. For stability reasons, no newer versions will enter a frozen stable release. However, critical bugs and security fixes are backported. |
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| 23:03.44 | daemonkeeper | That's what Mozilla dislikes. They prefer a full upgrade instead. |
| 23:04.13 | Alazare619 | just wondering what you guys think would be the best vnc server software to run on my testing server it needs to be able to accept connections 24/7 without having to ssh into it and start the service |
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| 23:04.57 | loop | so if someone installs the newest version of firefox on debian stable and comes heres wondering what may be wrong would be futile i suppose |
| 23:05.19 | loop | isnt mozilla built on top of the C libraries |
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| 23:06.25 | daemonkeeper | YOU can do whatever you want. Debian, as a distribution, won't follow the principle of shiny new stuff. |
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| 23:07.33 | engla | if I disable swap completely, what happens when all memory is used? OOM-killer or something worse? |
| 23:07.40 | loop | i guess what im asking is, were the newer verisions of firefox causing problems in stable? |
| 23:07.55 | loop | crash and burn engla |
| 23:07.59 | daemonkeeper | engla: The kernel will randomly kill processes. |
| 23:08.20 | themill | loop: newer versions of packages don't enter stable. |
| 23:08.47 | loop | so then its all about the decision of implementation |
| 23:09.03 | daemonkeeper | s/implementation/package management |
| 23:11.11 | engla | daemonkeeper: sounds good. as long as it doesn't panic |
| 23:11.42 | daemonkeeper | You never know. There are kernel processes which might need to allocate memory. That can end up badly. |
| 23:12.05 | engla | ok |
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| 23:12.20 | daemonkeeper | In many cases just a user space process is killed. |
| 23:12.44 | jkyle | looks like parted supports the ext4 format type, what tools for debian stable do? |
| 23:13.07 | engla | in OOM situations, it's normally dog slow because of swapping. I'm thinking that disabling swap is going to resolve OOM situations quicker |
| 23:13.13 | engla | and won't do much in normal cases |
| 23:13.26 | daemonkeeper | Ehm |
| 23:14.01 | daemonkeeper | Of course swapping is slow. But the kernel does not swap out for fun. If there is memory available, it won't use swap. |
| 23:14.07 | jelly-home | engla: might also try disabling overallocation |
| 23:14.30 | daemonkeeper | In your scenario you only shoot yourself in the foot. |
| 23:14.47 | daemonkeeper | Disabling swap does not prevent the necessity to swap out ... |
| 23:15.03 | engla | if the only time it uses swap is in runaway situations (i.e the OOM-killer is a good thing).. then why have swap |
| 23:15.17 | engla | that's what I see at least, I never see swap use otheriwse |
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| 23:16.52 | PerfDave | Hmm, just dist-upgraded to squeeze, now mysql won't start. Nothing in /var/log/mysql.{log,err} - what should I look for? |
| 23:17.04 | daemonkeeper | syslog. |
| 23:17.14 | daemonkeeper | engla: Well, swap is a workaround in times of virtual memory. As jelly-home says, every process can use as much memory as it pretty much wants these days. You better upgrade your memory or configure your stuff to use less memory. |
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| 23:21.56 | themill | !mysql squeeze |
| 23:21.57 | dpkg | Following an upgrade from lenny to squeeze, the "mysql-server-5.1" package is often not installed as a replacement to "mysql-server-5.0". "aptitude install mysql-server-5.1"; you may also need to update any customisations to your server configuration from 5.0 to 5.1 -- one common problem is the inclusion of the no-longer-supported "skip-bdb" option in my.cnf which leads to the daemon failing to start (and dpkg and apt complaining). |
| 23:22.00 | themill | PerfDave: ^^ |
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| 23:25.44 | PerfDave | Cheers themill |
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| 23:26.27 | themill | PerfDave: although that would normally show up in the logs |
| 23:27.29 | boudiccas | if i am creating a tar.gz file with this command ....... tar cvzf 20120115.tar.gz 20120115........... where is it being created please? i am in /media/backup when i run the command |
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| 23:28.36 | boudiccas | its no problem, i see it working now |
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| 23:29.25 | PerfDave | themill: Well, it wasn't installed. Still not working - complaining about ISAM corruption :( |
| 23:29.36 | themill | eww |
| 23:29.48 | jelly-home | boudiccas: current working directory |
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| 23:31.01 | boudiccas | jelly; yes, i can see it working now thanks |
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| 23:37.14 | engla | seems like it worked. first OOM without swap went smoothly (a test) |
| 23:38.40 | jkyle | I need to create a filesystem larger than 16TB. The max size for ext4 is an exabyte, but attempting ot create a 24TB partition throws an error that it exceeds its 32b limit |
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| 23:39.12 | jkyle | so I assume it's an older version, is debian capable of supported larger partitions without running unstable or some such? |
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| 23:44.41 | babilen | jkyle: This is IIRC a limitation in e2fsprogs rather than the filesystem itself -- I think that newer versions allow you to create filesystems larger than 16TB |
| 23:45.16 | babilen | jkyle: I can't remember when it was introduced and how the complete suite of tools handles larger filesystems nowadays, but lets have a look. |
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| 23:45.33 | jelly-home | ,versions e2fsprogs |
| 23:45.35 | judd | Package: e2fsprogs on i386 -- lenny: 1.41.3-1; squeeze: 1.41.12-4stable1; sid: 1.42-1; wheezy: 1.42-1 |
| 23:46.22 | babilen | Yeah, 1.42 should support it http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/e2fsprogs-release.html#1.42 |
| 23:46.50 | daemonkeeper | Also the block size matters. |
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| 23:53.54 | Alazare619 | lol |
| 23:53.55 | Alazare619 | wow |
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| 23:54.00 | Alazare619 | who needs an extra piece of software |
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| 23:54.10 | Alazare619 | switching to lightdm and configuring its own conf file |
| 23:54.13 | Alazare619 | was able to allow vnc |
| 23:54.43 | Vasistha | I am trying to connect an iphone using instructions here: http://wiki.debian.org/iPhone but I am not using gnome, so the auto-mount didn't happen. How do I manually mount the phone using gvfs? |
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| 23:57.32 | boudiccas | Vasistha; are you using kde? if so you will need to install usbmount |
| 23:59.05 | Vasistha | boudiccas: trinity ... I'll check that out. |
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