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| 00:02.01 | phillumi1ati | I'm having problems. I just did an "aptitude update & upgrade" and now my internet (ath5k driver) is painfully slow |
| 00:02.18 | themill | anddam: I can't see any packages there that you are likely to want, so you can probably get rid of them all. You may want to install libreoffice though |
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| 00:02.30 | phillumi1ati | Like massive lag, web pages time out, connecting to irc fails to resolve the address of irc.freenode.net |
| 00:02.43 | phillumi1ati | Has anyone reported any problems with it, because my system is seriously broken, and I'm not really sure what to do |
| 00:02.54 | streuner | phillumi1ati: so you think, its a kernel issue? |
| 00:03.16 | phillumi1ati | Booting with the older version didn't sort the problem out though |
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| 00:03.33 | phillumi1ati | I'm not really sure it's a kernel issue. Some sort of network stack issue |
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| 00:03.43 | phillumi1ati | How would I narrow it down please? |
| 00:03.55 | anddam | themill: I'm sorry I wasn't clear in my question. How do I get rid of all garbage packages? |
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| 00:04.21 | themill | anddam: "aptitude remove ~g". (any search term can also be used with operations) |
| 00:04.33 | anddam | seems reasonable |
| 00:05.05 | anddam | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
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| 00:05.23 | phillumi1ati | I'm seeing a lot of traffic in wireshark on the protocol 0x05ec |
| 00:05.47 | anddam | themill: still $ aptitude search ~g | wc -l gives 36 |
| 00:06.11 | themill | weird |
| 00:06.16 | anddam | this is not-reasonable |
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| 00:07.16 | anddam | themill: but I could remove cpp-4.3 by hand |
| 00:07.21 | anddam | I'll just xarg them |
| 00:09.14 | anddam | mmm xargs doesn't cope well with the prompt for confirmation |
| 00:09.39 | mahdy | isnt any good alternative for ipac-ng ? |
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| 00:09.54 | rack | Hi please help me |
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| 00:10.26 | anddam | themill: I can't find any force or -f -F useful option for aptitude |
| 00:10.39 | themill | apt never wants forcing |
| 00:10.45 | anddam | how can I skip Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] |
| 00:11.15 | themill | anddam: there's -y, but I can't imagine where you're seeing that |
| 00:11.34 | anddam | I'm uninstalling the garbage packages |
| 00:11.51 | rack | I install a soundblaster audigy 2 zs card, but the sound isnt good |
| 00:11.53 | anddam | Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 194 MB will be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] |
| 00:12.04 | themill | obviously.... but I can't see how that's a problem with xargs |
| 00:12.23 | anddam | Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] Abort. |
| 00:12.23 | anddam | xargs: sudo: exited with status 255; aborting |
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| 00:12.40 | themill | seeing the actual command might help |
| 00:12.43 | anddam | themill: maybe I'm misusing xargs |
| 00:13.01 | anddam | $ aptitude search ~g | sed -E 's/ +/ /g' | cut -d\ -f 2 | xargs sudo aptitude purge |
| 00:13.13 | anddam | I'm sudoer NOPASWD |
| 00:14.07 | wad | I'm migrating an apache2 httpd server to a new machine. Some of the modules that are on the old one aren't available on the new one. What's the debian way of installing apache2 modules? Does it use apt-get, or something else? Googling shows me how to enable them, but not how to install them. |
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| 00:14.32 | wad | I've done this before, because I set up the old machine, but that was a long time ago. |
| 00:14.38 | themill | you can use "aptitude search ~g -F%100p" instead of the sed and cut. But I still can't see why that's a problem for xargs |
| 00:14.43 | nkuttler | wad: apt-cache search libapache foo |
| 00:14.50 | wad | perfect, thanks! |
| 00:14.51 | rack | I install a soundblaster audigy 2 zs card, but the sound isnt good |
| 00:14.52 | rack | I install a soundblaster audigy 2 zs card, but the sound isnt good |
| 00:15.10 | anddam | themill: I get the abort, if I call a package at time I don't |
| 00:15.14 | themill | dpkg: tell rack about repeat |
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| 00:17.16 | themill | anddam: heh... you learn something every day. "sudo aptitude purge `aptitude search ~g -F%100p`" will work fine though. |
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| 00:18.35 | rack | ........................................................................ |
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| 00:20.38 | anddam | themill: like you learnt something just now or me? |
| 00:20.55 | anddam | I most certainly do, that's why I play with debian |
| 00:21.02 | themill | I've never seen xargs and sudo quite so unhappy like that |
| 00:21.14 | themill | I've possibly never tried using them together, either. |
| 00:21.22 | anddam | well I think the point is the prompt, not sudo |
| 00:21.32 | anddam | sudo is the wrapper so it's returning the error |
| 00:21.41 | anddam | should try with root account and without sudo |
| 00:22.16 | anddam | working, actually |
| 00:22.22 | anddam | my same line with root |
| 00:22.38 | anddam | sudo a sudo bash -c ' ' would have been easier |
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| 00:23.02 | anddam | bye thanks |
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| 00:30.18 | pegler | hi all. is there a repo with apache 2.2.21 stable in it? |
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| 00:34.18 | dutchfish | pegler, http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/apache2.html |
| 00:34.55 | jelly-home | pegler: not for Debian stable. |
| 00:35.59 | pegler | thanks for the help |
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| 00:41.18 | jaggz | Can you recommend me a nice admin interface to make and adjust Postgresql databases/tables? |
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| 00:43.27 | whitnall | Raspbery Pi is an awesome idea. Just went into production. http://tinyurl.com/73v29zu trying to find the had specs... |
| 00:43.30 | dutchfish | jaggz, pgadmin3? |
| 00:43.34 | whitnall | hd* |
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| 00:44.03 | jaggz | pgadmin3+=2 so far. thanks dutch :) |
| 00:44.07 | dutchfish | jaggz, http://www.pgadmin.org/screenshots/ |
| 00:44.20 | dutchfish | yw |
| 00:44.23 | whitnall | it doesn't say what flavor of Linux, nor the hd size |
| 00:45.01 | whitnall | pgAdmin: nice. I like that. |
| 00:45.07 | dutchfish | whitnall, rumors i have heard was debian/ubuntu but if that comes out in the end i do not know |
| 00:45.22 | themill | whitnall: umm... there is no hard drive; but you might find ##linux or #openplug a better place to discuss it. |
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| 00:48.46 | whitnall | broke silence for first time in weeks. |
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| 00:51.01 | civillian | the 'hd' is a flash card I believe |
| 00:51.48 | civillian | I would say it's SDHC, 16-64G |
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| 00:52.06 | civillian | it may not even come with one equipped, flash is easy to get |
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| 00:52.39 | dutchfish | civillian, do you have a debian question? i suggest #debian-offtopic otherwise. |
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| 00:53.07 | civillian | dutchfish: suggestion noted. |
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| 00:57.02 | mhall119 | dutchfish: Ubuntu won't run on Rasberry Pi |
| 00:57.08 | mhall119 | the ARM spec is too old |
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| 00:58.15 | jhutchins_lt | Shall we all be sad for Ubuntu? |
| 00:58.39 | mhall119 | I am, Rasberry Pi looks fun |
| 00:58.45 | dutchfish | mhall119, i head that rumor as well, but there are alwasy toolchains, again i don't like to discuss that in here, stick to debian related question please |
| 00:58.57 | dutchfish | s/head/heard |
| 00:59.45 | mhall119 | what versions of ARM does debian support? |
| 00:59.55 | mhall119 | it's a v6 I think |
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| 01:01.24 | jonathan1104 | I'm thinking of putting debian on a raspberry pi when I get one |
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| 01:02.32 | Valtam | nice |
| 01:02.48 | dutchfish | arm http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ | http://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatTodo |
| 01:03.50 | internat | interesting.. i wonder how well it would perform as a small router |
| 01:04.04 | civillian | internat: I'm wondering the same thing |
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| 01:05.01 | internat | usb nic interface, and the onboard one.. |
| 01:05.05 | internat | sd card boot. |
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| 01:06.01 | Valtam | hmm #debian-arm is invite only |
| 01:06.10 | Valtam | 'You can find us on IRC on irc.debian.org on the channel #debian-arm.' |
| 01:06.21 | dutchfish | Valtam, try OFTC |
| 01:06.24 | civillian | internat: you could trunk it and save using usb ethernet |
| 01:06.43 | Lesterwood | http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/post/show/1202178 |
| 01:06.46 | Lesterwood | opinions? |
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| 01:09.30 | internat | not so sure i could trunk my adsl router to it, and my local lan ether as well... but anything is possible |
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| 01:10.43 | civillian | internat: the real question is does pppd handle vlan interfaces as well as it handles ordinary ones |
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| 01:13.07 | internat | and id need a switch that supports vlans.. which i dont have :OP |
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| 01:13.33 | FxMasta | wanna learn how to trade, e book + system, daily 200 $ in 3 hours http://uploading.com/files/3m785864/Forex%2BTrading%2BStrategies.rar/ |
| 01:13.37 | civillian | no |
| 01:14.04 | internat | !ops FxMasta spamming |
| 01:14.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: internat complains about: FxMasta spamming |
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| 01:18.28 | aguitel | is anyone trying to install razor-qt ? |
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| 01:19.24 | silvertip257 | I have a prism54 802.11 wireless card that I'm having difficulty with. Module loaded, verified, no interface when looking at ifconfig. Ideas? 01:0a.0 Network controller [0280]: Intersil Corporation ISL3890 [Prism GT/Prism Duette]/ISL3886 [Prism Javelin/Prism Xbow] [1260:3890] (rev 01) |
| 01:19.52 | silvertip257 | http://wiki.debian.org/prism54#Troubleshooting |
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| 01:26.26 | Ragnar | is there a way for me to export a variable globally in debian? |
| 01:26.30 | Ragnar | so its not session based? |
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| 01:31.32 | silvertip257 | Ragnar: your .bash_profile (if you're using bash) ... or the config for your shell? |
| 01:32.29 | silvertip257 | err - I needed to read the second line ... meh / not sure the best way you'd want to do that |
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| 01:33.44 | Ragnar | generally |
| 01:33.48 | Ragnar | I've installed Xorg and openbox |
| 01:33.58 | Ragnar | and I want autostart.sh to start a python gui |
| 01:34.10 | Ragnar | that requires an exported variable to run. |
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| 01:49.29 | silvertip257 | Ragnar: I suppose you could stick it in /etc/rc.local ... not sure if that's the best solution though. |
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| 01:57.09 | Vasistha | I need to take several png files (which were generated by a scanner) and put them into a pdf file. any recommended tools? |
| 01:59.19 | somiaj | Vasistha: imagemagick can convert formats, and put thigns into a pdf is one possibility. |
| 01:59.36 | Vasistha | somiaj: thanks for the suggestion |
| 01:59.37 | somiaj | Vasistha: though not sure how easily it will do that with a list of several png files |
| 01:59.50 | Vasistha | somiaj: well I can script it and use pdftk to put them together :) |
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| 02:00.46 | somiaj | Vasistha: my only experience is converting multi page .tiff to .pdf with convert (from imagemagick) but its all command line and scriptable, so hopefully that tool does the job for you |
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| 02:10.40 | firespeaker | why is sawfish no longer in debian? |
| 02:10.48 | firespeaker | only stable, not testing or unstable :( |
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| 02:11.55 | Vasistha | somiaj: thanks a bunch -- for i in pg*.png; do convert $i ${i%.png}.pdf; done; pdftk pg*.pdf cat output all-scans.pdf |
| 02:11.57 | WebDawg | WHY YOU NO SAWFISH? |
| 02:12.27 | somiaj | Vasistha: convert png1.png png2.png file.pdf do it in one command? |
| 02:12.53 | firespeaker | exactly WebDawg |
| 02:12.56 | somiaj | firespeaker: ceck the bts/bug reports or the PTS page |
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| 02:13.12 | somiaj | firespeaker: might be some bug or reason it isn't in testing, but it is in sid, so you could probabaly just isntall the sid version just fine in testing |
| 02:13.15 | jordanm | somiaj: seems like that would make both output into file.pdf |
| 02:13.23 | firespeaker | somiaj: who? |
| 02:13.30 | somiaj | firespeaker: http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/sawfish.html |
| 02:13.33 | firespeaker | thanks :) |
| 02:14.07 | somiaj | jordanm: that is what he wants, all the png's put into a single file, not sure if convert will put one per page or not though, was more just a suggestion. (: |
| 02:14.44 | somiaj | firespeaker: from that page you can get the link to http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/sawfish/news/20110708T163911Z.html -- that should answer your question, (: |
| 02:15.23 | somiaj | well nevermind, should have read that first, guess it doesn't say why. Usually that email is a bit more descriptive as to why they took it out |
| 02:16.20 | firespeaker | yeah |
| 02:16.25 | firespeaker | I'm gonna go yell at the sawfish people |
| 02:16.28 | firespeaker | :-P |
| 02:17.07 | firespeaker | I mean, I'd like to use a slightly more modern wm, but none of them have all the features I want |
| 02:17.27 | firespeaker | not that sawfish does either :-P |
| 02:18.27 | somiaj | firespeaker: just switch to fvwm. (: |
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| 02:18.55 | firespeaker | somiaj: does it have window packing and stuff? |
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| 02:19.44 | somiaj | firespeaker: what is window packing and stuff? |
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| 02:21.46 | somiaj | firespeaker: fvwm is a very configurable wm, but requires you learn a config file so its not for someone who just wants a wm to work with the defaults. There is enough verstility in the config file you can get lots of stuff with it |
| 02:22.44 | somiaj | firespeaker: but if you keep track of the depends or make your own backport, just use the sawfish version from sid if it does what you want, you are using testing software anyways. (: |
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| 02:25.07 | faggot | Sup losers |
| 02:25.11 | faggot | The great faggot here |
| 02:25.19 | faggot | To give you a message |
| 02:25.22 | dvs | not for long |
| 02:25.27 | faggot | By ubuntu-forums |
| 02:25.59 | faggot | We and 200 guys are going to send in you in an inexistance |
| 02:26.05 | faggot | with a special DDOS app |
| 02:26.14 | faggot | except debian.org to be down for hours |
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| 02:26.25 | faggot | thanks. |
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| 02:26.51 | faggot | it begins in a half hour |
| 02:26.57 | faggot | also we`ll take down freenode after that |
| 02:27.24 | firespeaker | and google too I suppose |
| 02:27.27 | faggot | we have already lavished the money from the Debian`s paypal account |
| 02:27.32 | faggot | hahahha |
| 02:27.37 | faggot | it was like 4000$ there |
| 02:27.39 | faggot | poor guys |
| 02:27.58 | mendota | does this happen often, here? |
| 02:28.11 | faggot | no,there`ll be worse things than that |
| 02:28.15 | gnarface | !ops faggot |
| 02:28.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: gnarface complains about: faggot |
| 02:28.16 | mendota | or does everyone have this guy on ignore except me? |
| 02:28.33 | faggot | well,i have to leave anyway |
| 02:28.41 | faggot | happy off-line time :) |
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| 02:28.53 | firespeaker | ~jimmy@188.26.159.7 |
| 02:29.02 | mendota | yeah, that guy. |
| 02:29.07 | peterS | what a piece of firewood |
| 02:29.33 | firespeaker | we should DoS him ourselves |
| 02:29.40 | dvs | I'd say firetruck |
| 02:29.53 | gnarface | he's in romania you'd DoS the whole country |
| 02:29.57 | firespeaker | ROFL |
| 02:30.03 | mendota | bucharest |
| 02:30.16 | peterS | dvs: yes, well, a faggot means a piece of firewood, so. |
| 02:30.23 | gnarface | debian has a paypal account? |
| 02:30.44 | dvs | lreans something new everyday |
| 02:31.11 | gnarface | ooh ooh does it have a facebook page and a twitter account too? |
| 02:31.25 | mendota | lol...does it? |
| 02:31.26 | gnarface | bets he'll get them next |
| 02:31.41 | peterS | gnarface: heh. dunno. debian is more about free software based services like identi.ca |
| 02:32.21 | mendota | they'd still have to pay the bills and take donations though |
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| 02:32.30 | peterS | identi.ca being, in truth, probably easier to ddos than twitter |
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| 02:34.41 | jbwiv__ | guys, I have a dovecot imapd process which needs to open approximately 16,000,000 files at onces (long story). problem is, it keeps crapping out saying "too many open files". I've set /proc/sys/fs/file-max to 60000000 and I've modified /etc/security/limits.conf to allow 6000000 for * (wildcard), dovecot, and root. Still, this happens. Any other place I need to tweak to fix this? |
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| 02:35.43 | gnarface | jbwiv__: that's a lot of files at once. some filesystems have hardcoded limits of their own. have you verified yours can do this? |
| 02:36.04 | peterS | jbwiv__: 16 _million_ files? whoa dude, whoa. if each open file just takes 256 bytes of kernel RAM to keep track of, that's 4 GB of nothing but that |
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| 02:36.29 | jbwiv__ | gnarface, no, I haven't. this is an ext3 filesystem |
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| 02:36.42 | jbwiv__ | peterS, yeah, but that's fine with me if I can make it work |
| 02:36.57 | jbwiv__ | the server is *only* used to host this one mailbox |
| 02:37.02 | jbwiv__ | 8gb physical ram available |
| 02:37.15 | peterS | jbwiv__: I'd take a big step back. surely there is _something_ in your design that you could rethink. I mean, 16 million files ... what would it do with them? |
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| 02:37.43 | jbwiv__ | peterS, you're most certainly right, but this is the easiest path for now if I can make it work |
| 02:38.37 | Fr33gLiDE | sigh 16M open files ought to be enough for anybody |
| 02:38.40 | jbwiv__ | as for what is does, this is one maildir with 16M files at 2.6 TB of size. a virtual folder is (or will) be created in dovecot to encompass all subfolders in the Maildir, allowing solr/lucence to index them and then search them all at once (in the same search) |
| 02:39.19 | jbwiv__ | I've tested this approach on smaller (500G) directories and it worked great. it'd be nice if I could scale it up to this level, but perhaps now |
| 02:39.22 | jbwiv__ | perhaps not, that is |
| 02:39.32 | gnarface | i don't get why it has to be all of them open at once. can't he read his mail sequentially? |
| 02:39.32 | peterS | I'd think if you want to index 2.5 TB with 16 million objects, you wouldn't want the overhead of an imap client + server between the indexer and the data |
| 02:40.10 | firespeaker | gnarface: http://quotes.firespeaker.org/?id=1392 |
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| 02:40.31 | jbwiv__ | gnarface, it's a nuance of dovecot's virtual folder support. |
| 02:40.39 | gnarface | haha thanks firespeaker |
| 02:40.53 | jbwiv__ | and it just needs to open them all during indexing. after that, never again |
| 02:41.18 | gnarface | jbwiv__: yuck. does dovecot use courier for imap still? |
| 02:41.23 | jbwiv__ | peterS, dovecot integrates directly with solr and it works extremely well |
| 02:41.28 | peterS | gnarface: dovecot has its own imap server implementation |
| 02:41.35 | jbwiv__ | gnarface, no, it has its own |
| 02:41.53 | jbwiv__ | so, fair enough, I realize the approach is a hack which probably won't scale |
| 02:41.59 | peterS | jbwiv__: anyway I think /proc/sys/fs/nr_open is what you want. Assuming you want something as insane as you're saying here (: |
| 02:42.04 | ZitZ | hello, i'm trying to send emails from my server using the mail command to my gmail account, i'm not getting any errors, the command is pretty simple, but I don't seem to be receiving these messages in gmail, any thing i might be missing? |
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| 02:43.05 | jbwiv__ | peterS, ah, ok. that seems to be set to 1048576. I'll tweak that. where's the best place to learn about all the various /proc settings you can modify? |
| 02:43.15 | silvertip257 | heh ... explains my wifi problems with p54pci ... http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi?highlight=prism |
| 02:43.23 | peterS | jbwiv__: there's a proc.txt in the linux kernel documentation tree, I think |
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| 02:43.54 | jbwiv__ | peterS, awesome. I'll give that a go. at this point, I just want to see what'll happen ;) |
| 02:44.28 | gnarface | ZitZ: a couple things: 1) real mailservers may not take you seriously if your ip address doesn't reverse map to something pingable. really paranoid ones may want that something to map back to the same ip you reversed. 2) large mail farms like gmail and yahoo often pass suspicious mail off to an external cluster for more thorough spam filtering - this could cause upwards of an hour delay in mail delivery with no error at the sen |
| 02:44.29 | peterS | jbwiv__: i.e., in the linux-doc-3.1 package, there is a /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-3.1/Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt.gz |
| 02:44.29 | gnarface | ding end |
| 02:44.51 | jbwiv__ | one other question on a completely separate issue...is there a way to prevent run away processes from soaking up all system resources? Occasionally I'll have something on my desktop box go nutty and soak up all ram and cpu and have to magic sysrq it. just curious |
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| 02:45.11 | dvs | silvertip257: this looks closer to what you want: http://wiki.debian.org/hostap |
| 02:45.18 | ZitZ | gnarface: thank you sir, i was guessing it would be some type of spam filtering |
| 02:46.01 | gnarface | ZitZ: look into your reverse mappings for your ip address. making them kosher can help a lot in the way of getting your mail server to be treated as a first-class citizen by google |
| 02:46.17 | jbwiv__ | peterS, sadly, changing that file seemed to do nothing |
| 02:46.31 | peterS | jbwiv__: what limit are you seeing, then? |
| 02:46.35 | gnarface | jbwiv__: this isn't a virtual machine you're on is it? |
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| 02:46.48 | jbwiv__ | gnarface, nope |
| 02:46.58 | silvertip257 | dvs: hmmm - interesting I'm not sure what my card would be ... a 2 / 2.5 / 3 |
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| 02:47.19 | jbwiv__ | peterS, I'm not seeing a limit. I just get messages in the dovecot log like "dovecot: imap(mot): Error: open(/mail/mot/Maildir/.2010.02.13/dovecot-uidlist) failed: Too many open files" |
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| 02:47.41 | silvertip257 | though I'm not setting up an Access Point (yet or at all) ... dvs :) |
| 02:47.44 | peterS | jbwiv__: best figure out how many open files you're allowed, or it'll be hard to tell if changing a given parameter makes any difference |
| 02:47.44 | masterxc | Hi all...I'm attempting to upgrade from lenny to squeeze, but apt is reporting this: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_164-3_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 02:47.45 | masterxc | trying to overwrite '/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf', which is also in package module-init-tools 3.11.1-2ubuntu1 |
| 02:48.05 | peterS | masterxc: don't put Ubuntu packages on your Debian system |
| 02:48.16 | masterxc | reads again... |
| 02:48.20 | masterxc | ...*facepalm* |
| 02:48.24 | jbwiv__ | peterS, you mean by the filesystem limits? |
| 02:48.57 | peterS | jbwiv__: test it. figure out how many files you can open before you hit that error. |
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| 02:49.22 | jbwiv__ | peterS, good point. ok, i'll whip up a script |
| 02:49.30 | peterS | use C, perl, python, or whatever language you find most convenient for such things. I wouldn't use bash. who knows what weird limits of that sort you might find in bash. |
| 02:49.36 | masterxc | So funny story...half-updated to squeeze from ubuntu |
| 02:49.45 | masterxc | oops... |
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| 02:50.01 | tidux | I just installed window maker and it's not reading my Debian menu |
| 02:50.02 | tidux | at all |
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| 02:50.14 | tidux | I've got it configured to use the Debian menu |
| 02:50.17 | peterS | masterxc: I do like how they label their version numbers, so it's relatively obvious where a given non-debian package came from |
| 02:51.07 | tidux | /etc/X11/WindowMaker/menu.hook is missing |
| 02:51.13 | tidux | do I need to run update-menus as root or something? |
| 02:52.10 | kgoetz | win 20 |
| 02:52.11 | kgoetz | feh |
| 02:52.15 | nevyn | did you install the menu package? it's only weakly required |
| 02:52.18 | masterxc | Yeah...well what happened was I was following a tutorial for debian on installing something, and in doing so it started upgrading packages to squeeze since i *thought* i had debian and not ubuntu on my server. hopefully replacing the sources.list with the proper repos will fix it :x |
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| 02:52.29 | nevyn | it's like suggests or reccommends or something |
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| 02:55.16 | SiCKa | http://www.facebook.com/FinancialSTOCK like this page please |
| 02:55.25 | tidux | nevyn: yeah I installed menu |
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| 02:56.11 | peterS | SiCKa: we don't like that page. we like Debian. That's why we're in #debian. |
| 02:56.30 | tidux | oh wait |
| 02:56.35 | tidux | I think it's a config error on my part |
| 02:57.10 | gnarface | SiCKa: read /topic please. |
| 02:57.16 | tidux | yeah, I think something's wrong |
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| 02:57.35 | tidux | I get background and appearance menus in /etc/X11/WindowMaker |
| 02:57.42 | tidux | but no Debian menu |
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| 02:59.23 | gimpy138 | The man page for exports says if an export has a space you can double quote it or use the octal character for space but both give me "exportfs: Warning: /media/Data/Foo Bar does not support NFS export" any idea what to do? |
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| 03:00.14 | nevyn | tidux: and you installed all this stuff from packages not source right? |
| 03:00.29 | peterS | gimpy138: the fact that your example dir is under /media makes me think it's removable media. which suggests it may be a legacy filesystem like fat or iso9660. Those don't necessarily play well with NFS. |
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| 03:01.08 | gimpy138 | peterS: Nope, it's XFS. |
| 03:01.21 | peterS | and if you rename it it works? |
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| 03:01.34 | gimpy138 | peterS: Another dir without a space works fine. |
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| 03:01.52 | tidux | nevyn: yeah |
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| 03:02.18 | tidux | the problem is that Window Maker's WPrefs utility is looking for windowmaker's copy of the Debian menu at /etc/X11/WindowMaker/menu.hook |
| 03:02.44 | tidux | I see menu.prehook and menu.posthook but not menu.hook |
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| 03:02.52 | tidux | is that just a WindowMaker bug? |
| 03:03.16 | nevyn | it sounds like it. |
| 03:03.22 | tidux | k |
| 03:03.30 | nevyn | I suspect it's even a policy violation |
| 03:03.36 | tidux | where SHOULD the Window Maker version of the Debian menu be? |
| 03:03.40 | tidux | there? |
| 03:04.14 | nevyn | tidux: did you run update-menus as root? |
| 03:04.28 | tidux | yes |
| 03:04.33 | tidux | several times, in fact |
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| 03:07.21 | nevyn | hrm |
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| 03:19.34 | elseif | how i can reset gnome setting ? i mean restore to default |
| 03:21.33 | tidux | nevyn: if it's a policy violation, which part of the policy does it violate? |
| 03:21.45 | tidux | I want to be sure, so my serious bug doesn't get downgraded to normal |
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| 03:24.20 | jordanm | elseif: mv ~/.gnome{,.bak} |
| 03:25.01 | tidux | jordanm: don't forget ~/.gconf |
| 03:25.18 | tidux | gconf/dconf is where GNOME keeps most of its setting |
| 03:25.19 | tidux | s |
| 03:25.24 | tidux | stupid binary registries |
| 03:25.38 | nevyn | what's it's priority in alternatives. |
| 03:25.55 | tidux | nevyn: what, windowmaker for x-window-manager? |
| 03:25.57 | tidux | let me check |
| 03:26.19 | tidux | 50 |
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| 03:27.48 | nevyn | tidux: how do you get to 50 with the formula 20 + 20|10 + 40 |
| 03:28.01 | Jayro | hello, does anyone know where the networking file i need to edit to assign a static IP is? |
| 03:28.05 | nevyn | see 11.8.1 |
| 03:28.12 | nevyn | tidux: 11.8.4 |
| 03:28.20 | tidux | now you've lost me |
| 03:28.27 | tidux | I have no idea how those numbers are calculated |
| 03:28.32 | peterS | Jayro: /etc/network/interfaces - see 'man 5 interfaces' |
| 03:28.33 | tidux | and 11.8.4 of what? |
| 03:28.38 | elseif | jordanm: after that ? restart ? |
| 03:28.39 | nevyn | so 11.8.4 specifies how the priority should be calculated |
| 03:28.58 | tidux | 11.8.4 of what? |
| 03:29.06 | nevyn | debian policy manual |
| 03:29.08 | tidux | oh |
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| 03:29.21 | jordanm | elseif: also ~/.gconf as tidux mentioned, and yeah, restart gnome |
| 03:29.25 | tidux | hang on a sec, let me install another window manager so I can start X and look at this in a browser |
| 03:29.30 | nevyn | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-customized-programs.html#s11.8.4 |
| 03:29.33 | elseif | jordanm: ok thanks |
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| 03:32.30 | karlpinc | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.31 | elseif | jordanm: thank you , its work ;) |
| 03:32.52 | tidux | k |
| 03:33.01 | Ragnar | silvertip257: sadly |
| 03:33.03 | Ragnar | that will not work. |
| 03:33.35 | silvertip257 | ah :( |
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| 03:34.38 | Ragnar | I'll figure it out. |
| 03:34.47 | karlpinc | tidux: /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/policy.txt.gz if you're not savvy to dpkg -L. |
| 03:34.49 | Ragnar | thanks for your help though |
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| 03:36.11 | tidux | karlpinc: thanks, already found the local .html files in /usr/share/doc/debian-policy |
| 03:36.16 | tidux | looking through 'em with w3m |
| 03:36.22 | tidux | dpkg -L is handy |
| 03:36.22 | dpkg | No packages found matching is handy |
| 03:36.28 | tidux | lol |
| 03:37.17 | tidux | nevyn: ok, it SHOULD have a priority of 50, since normally it does support Debian menus and you can restart to a different WM without killing X |
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| 03:39.01 | tidux | so that's 20 + 20 + 10 = 50 |
| 03:39.11 | karlpinc | tidux: Nothing like learning the package system. I use dpkg -L, dpkg -S, apt-file, and all of aptitude's command line stuff. Sometimes apt-cache policy is useful too. Other choose another sub-set of apt, but unless you learn something it's really hard to tell what's on your box. |
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| 03:40.33 | karlpinc | tidux: Or to find the packages you want to install. (Oh yah, debtags is also useful.) |
| 03:41.22 | dirthead | is there a way to tell dhclient to use a different port at boot time? |
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| 03:42.07 | karlpinc | dirthead: It's probably in "man dhclient.conf". |
| 03:42.28 | karlpinc | dirthead: (I assume you mean interface, not port.) |
| 03:42.30 | dirthead | karlpinc: couldn't find anything to do with a port in there |
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| 03:42.49 | dirthead | no, port as in not port 68, but some other port |
| 03:44.10 | karlpinc | dirthead: Well, you could use something like socat (or possibly nc) to proxy the port, but that does not seem sane. What are you really trying to do? |
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| 03:45.23 | dirthead | use a local dhcpd server for virtual machines and not the global network dhcpd server |
| 03:45.49 | un214 | haha |
| 03:46.02 | un214 | I always use the global network dhcp server for virtual machines |
| 03:46.34 | un214 | having two DHCP servers on the broadcast domain sounds like a bad idea |
| 03:46.40 | dirthead | un214: I usually do to, but I need the vm network to be on a different network |
| 03:46.56 | dirthead | un214: it works, if you are careful ;) |
| 03:47.00 | un214 | my response would then be to recommend static mappings |
| 03:47.21 | karlpinc | dirthead: Don't route bootp between the networks then and just run a regular dhcp server. |
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| 03:47.32 | karlpinc | dirthead: firewall it. |
| 03:47.39 | un214 | the old-school recommendation was to mac-range-filter both dhcp servers |
| 03:48.22 | karlpinc | un214: I like what your saying -- it makes sense. |
| 03:48.34 | karlpinc | un214: I'm making it up as I go. |
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| 03:48.36 | dirthead | karlpinc: ok. I was hoping I could just change the port of the server and client. But a firewall works too. |
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| 03:49.15 | un214 | hmmm I'm sure you *could* change the port by recompiling |
| 03:49.40 | dirthead | that's pretty tempting |
| 03:50.02 | karlpinc | dirthead: That's pretty klugey. |
| 03:50.04 | dirthead | but I think someone here wrote a python dhcp server |
| 03:50.44 | un214 | karlpinc: I've been known to do nastier things, but to me the pain of doing this is greater than the pain of static IP assignment |
| 03:51.06 | karlpinc | un214: Sounds that way to me too, at least in the long run. |
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| 03:51.08 | un214 | on an unrelated note, I've had good reasons before to overlay two networks on the same broadcast domain |
| 03:51.15 | tidux | alright yeah, I found 11.8.4 |
| 03:51.16 | karlpinc | Standard is better than better. |
| 03:51.29 | tidux | if the menu worked, it'd be fine |
| 03:52.03 | karlpinc | dirthead: You still need clients. |
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| 03:53.16 | dirthead | karlpinc: we've got a python client as well |
| 03:53.41 | dirthead | that would work better than recompiling I think |
| 03:54.22 | karlpinc | dirthead: You might look and see if dnsmasq can change it's dhcp port. (But I'd guess not.) |
| 03:54.45 | karlpinc | dirthead: But no one would be able to figure out why anything is working if you recomple. |
| 03:55.09 | un214 | karlpinc: what do you think the file /changes is for? |
| 03:55.29 | karlpinc | un214: :) |
| 03:55.55 | tidux | alright, submitted my bug |
| 03:56.00 | tidux | thanks for the help, guys |
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| 04:05.23 | wad | My faithful old debian server needs some cleanup, as I prepare to migrate much of it's functionality to a new machine. It's got 45 user accounts on it, for various of my friends and stuff. Some of them I know are completely inactive, but others are used occasionally. What's a good way to tell which accounts have been accessed in the past year? |
| 04:05.31 | wad | year, or so. |
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| 04:08.25 | un214 | who /var/log/wtmp? |
| 04:09.03 | un214 | the last-logged-in date is in lastlog, but it's a binary sparse file that's hard to parse |
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| 04:25.47 | tehrabbitt-FiOS | whats the *easiest* and *fastest* way to turn my debian laptop into an AP? |
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| 04:30.23 | jbwiv__ | if I want to change the ulimit for open files for a user permanently, where should I do it? |
| 04:31.08 | un214 | /etc/profile |
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| 04:31.46 | jbwiv__ | un214, wouldn't that change it for all users? |
| 04:32.00 | un214 | you can do if [ $LOGNAME = 'username ] |
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| 04:33.07 | jbwiv__ | un214, what about putting in the user's .bash_profile? |
| 04:33.16 | un214 | they can take it back out |
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| 04:36.12 | phenom | Flash videos are playing back very choppy. Anyone have any ideas, or possible solutions? |
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| 04:41.01 | gnarface | phenom: flash sucks. try to watch videos in another format |
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| 04:41.48 | gnarface | phenom: on older hardware you might have luck improving framerates by overclocking your video card |
| 04:42.06 | phenom | gnarface: I should say flash in firefox/chrome etc is choppy |
| 04:42.46 | phenom | I recently updated Firefox, and flash had quit working. I reinstalled the drivers and it now plays choppy. |
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| 04:43.14 | houken | uninstall firefox |
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| 04:43.23 | phenom | I remember chasing down similar bugs on Ubuntu/Debian years ago, but the fixes I've found that have worked in the past, don't seem to help. |
| 04:43.33 | phenom | houken: Chrome does the same thing |
| 04:43.58 | houken | phenom: I have found same problem, and the reason is firefox |
| 04:44.15 | karlpinc | phenom: You could use the latest firefox from mozilla and watch utube in html5 instead of flash. |
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| 04:44.33 | Rusty1 | flashplugin-nonfree installed? |
| 04:44.45 | karlpinc | phenom: (Or whatever the debian-approved way of installing the mozilla firefox is.) |
| 04:44.46 | phenom | Rusty1: yes |
| 04:45.14 | houken | phenom: indeed i can't find any reason to stick on firefox rather than chrome |
| 04:45.30 | phenom | download them all :P |
| 04:45.54 | phenom | Only reason,, well better popup blocking etc |
| 04:46.06 | phenom | But I've become attached to downloadthemall |
| 04:46.29 | karlpinc | Is there anything that does OSPF but quagga? |
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| 04:57.15 | phenom | I think I found a fix via Ubuntu forums |
| 04:57.19 | phenom | heh |
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| 04:57.58 | phenom | Installing the latest adobe beta flash plugin seemed to have done the trick |
| 04:58.11 | wecing | Hi guys. How can I install driver for Intel HD3000 in Squeeze? I installed xserver-xorg-video-intel and updated the kernel to 2.6.39 with backport, but the desktop is still very laggy. |
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| 04:58.27 | man_in_shack | waves |
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| 04:58.57 | man_in_shack | anyone know of a tool that can find inodes in a partial filesystem and recover the files? |
| 04:59.14 | man_in_shack | in ext2/3/4 fs |
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| 05:03.30 | phenom | Yep fixed across FF and chrome.. Nice. |
| 05:03.35 | phenom | Thanks all |
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| 05:04.33 | Rusty1 | http://packages.debian.org/sid/utils/lde man_in_shack , perhaps |
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| 05:06.27 | socomm | Hey guys is there a Debian equivalent of RH kickstart? |
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| 05:08.52 | man_in_shack | "use it to dump an erased file to another partition with a little bit of work" sounds good, but i need something a bit more automated |
| 05:08.56 | man_in_shack | i don't know how many files i have |
| 05:09.11 | man_in_shack | but looks like hundreds of gigs |
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| 05:13.16 | man_in_shack | basically i want something that can do "find all complete inodes, dump them to a directory on another partition" |
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| 05:14.21 | martin91 | how to allow user X to execute "sudo sux Y" by giving only his (X'es) password? |
| 05:14.41 | nevyn | that's umm what sudo does. |
| 05:15.56 | martin91 | how to allow this action in sudoers file, nevyn ? |
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| 05:17.23 | karlpinc | socomm: That's be pre-seeding. See the install guide. |
| 05:17.36 | socomm | karlpinc: thank you |
| 05:17.57 | karlpinc | !tell socomm about ig |
| 05:18.12 | martin91_ | so about the sudo sux Y how to do it..? |
| 05:18.16 | martin91_ | in sudoers file |
| 05:18.42 | karlpinc | martin91_: There's probably an example in the man page for sudoers. |
| 05:19.22 | martin91_ | userXALL = /usr/bin/sux userY ? |
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| 05:24.07 | Zeroedout | Hi I want to install Diaspora on Debian. I really don't want to run it as root or my regular user. However if I create a system diaspora user, I can't su into it to install RVM. I don't want to create a non-system user with a password as that's going to make auto startup a pain in the ass. Is my only choice to run it as my regular user? |
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| 05:42.17 | JasonSauce | hey does one know it linux plays nice with solid state drives? |
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| 05:45.55 | simonlnu | yes. recent kernel preferable (squeeze's ok IIRC) |
| 05:45.56 | simonlnu | !ssd |
| 05:45.57 | dpkg | The "Disk" in Solid State Disk (SSD) is really a misnomer. SSD storage is basically a huge block of RAM chips that functions like a hard drive. SSD drives (obviously) are extremely expensive, but offer very high data speeds that are necessary in some applications. They can also be used as large caches on huge RAID subsystems. See also <ssd limit>. |
| 05:46.15 | pksadiq | hooi |
| 05:48.56 | JasonSauce | sweet.. thanks simonlnu |
| 05:49.48 | mosno | uh, isn't it a solid state DRIVE? |
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| 05:51.04 | JasonSauce | mosno, yes but is has zero moving parts |
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| 05:55.27 | simonlnu | np JasonSauce |
| 05:55.51 | simonlnu | mosno: yup, no moving parts. behaves like an hdd otherwise. |
| 05:56.39 | simonlnu | faster because of no parts; cooler; and lighter. but, there's drawbacks like usage and wear, for instance. |
| 05:57.05 | simonlnu | but TRIM command levels out the wear equally |
| 05:57.09 | simonlnu | !trim |
| 05:57.16 | simonlnu | !ssd trim |
| 05:57.32 | JasonSauce | simonlnu, does linux support TRIM? |
| 05:57.41 | technologov | y. |
| 05:57.45 | technologov | Debian 6 supports. |
| 05:57.49 | JasonSauce | hmmm |
| 05:58.04 | JasonSauce | would I be able to isntall adb on debian? |
| 05:58.19 | technologov | never heard of adb |
| 05:58.34 | simonlnu | JasonSauce: like i said, you need a more recent kernel, but i think squeeze's supports it. check the release notes and install guide |
| 05:58.47 | JasonSauce | alright |
| 05:59.00 | JasonSauce | technologov, its for android cell phones |
| 05:59.02 | simonlnu | unless someone can confirm/deny here =) |
| 05:59.43 | technologov | JasonSauce, u can install Android into VirtualBox VM, and develop on it... I have a link.. |
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| 06:00.36 | JasonSauce | oh sweet |
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| 06:01.08 | technologov | Android Image for VBox: https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=46485 |
| 06:01.42 | JasonSauce | nice.. ty! |
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| 06:05.01 | JasonSauce | oh if anyone is interested https://plus.google.com/u/0/104629412415657030658/posts/PtGNZtJL3Rq |
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| 06:12.22 | atperez | Greetings. |
| 06:16.00 | atperez | I'm using debian testing, and recently did and upgrade... now xserver-common upgraded to 1.11 and so [because of ABI version] it conflicts with the nvidia legacy driver... I read one solution is downgrading to version 1.10 |
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| 06:17.06 | atperez | What packages are the ones I need to downgrade? Every xserver package, or just xserver-common? |
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| 06:30.39 | karlpinc | atperez: You might try #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 06:31.12 | atperez | Thanks, karlpinc |
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| 06:49.48 | Greenbay4 | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
| 06:51.10 | Greenbay4 | "/msg dpkg guidelines". |
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| 07:19.40 | dsdeiz | hey guys any ideas why the rendering of my font on urxvt is fuzzy compared to gtk apps? left is gvim and right is vim in urxvt http://ompldr.org/vYzdscg |
| 07:20.02 | dsdeiz | font i used is bitstream vera sans mono 8 |
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| 07:28.11 | gnude | hello, i want to create a backup with partimage from a jfs partition. till now it works fine. after newinstalling everything he says "superblock read error" when i want to start backup. |
| 07:28.42 | gnude | i try to reinstall the system, format the jfs file system, but the same error still. |
| 07:29.11 | gnude | when i run fsck.jfs -f he found no error, and if i boot from live-cd and run partimage it works without error. |
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| 08:12.35 | chrionix | Hi all, I'm trying to install stable netinstall through unetbootin, downloading from ftp, and everytime I boot from the stick, It hangs on the syslinux line... any ideas? |
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| 08:20.36 | elseif | anyone know how i can change this ugly font in netbeans ? http://up98.org/upload/server1/01/z/sg72zoqtadd4vkbycek6.png |
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| 08:25.13 | bolt | chrionix: sure you selected the correct settings in unetbootin? does it work with other distros? perhaps consider pxe booting if you don't have a cdrom. |
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| 08:30.48 | Slydder | could someone explain why this redirect of a variable containing a filename in Bash doesn't work? CRONSTART=$(<${FROXCRON}) |
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| 08:33.00 | chrionix | bolt: Figured it out. It has something to do with hp laptops... just did a dd if=blah on the stick and it works now, cheers though. |
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| 08:34.22 | bolt | Slydder: what on earth are you trying to do there? |
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| 08:35.24 | Slydder | if you do content=$(</var/log/syslog) then $content will hold the content of syslog. |
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| 08:36.10 | Slydder | However, when I try to replace the actual filename with a variable holding the filename it doesn't work. I have tried $var "$var" ${var} |
| 08:36.14 | Slydder | nothing seems to work |
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| 08:37.07 | bolt | that works for me |
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| 08:38.28 | bolt | Slydder: echo "test text" >foo; file=foo; var=$(<$file); echo $var |
| 08:38.39 | bolt | Slydder: /msg evalbot echo "test text" >foo; file=foo; var=$(<$file); echo $var |
| 08:38.59 | bolt | Slydder: (evalbot might require you to be in #bash to respond. not sure) |
| 08:39.15 | Simplicity | nope |
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| 08:39.43 | bolt | ah. good. |
| 08:40.00 | Slydder | god I am dumb |
| 08:40.21 | bolt | hmm? |
| 08:40.25 | Slydder | should have just set the script to executable instead of running "sh test.sh" |
| 08:40.58 | bolt | you also shouldn't name your scripts .sh, nor rely on sh to be bash |
| 08:41.25 | Slydder | am not. shebang is /bin/bash. but I was forcing by executing with sh |
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| 08:42.35 | bolt | think of the poor sod who has to replace your script with a compiled program some time in the future. don't make him remove .sh from everywhere it's called from :) |
| 08:43.04 | Slydder | it's a test script |
| 08:43.14 | Slydder | meaning NOT production |
| 08:43.17 | bolt | still, good habits are good |
| 08:43.19 | bolt | just saying |
| 08:43.41 | Slydder | I know. just you're preaching to the chior |
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| 08:46.19 | Morpheme | ehy, fuser seems that don't works on Squeeze..?? |
| 08:46.46 | Morpheme | exemple: if i open a file with "nano test.txt"; fuser test.txt don't print anything |
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| 08:50.41 | antgel | hi all, i want to get libjai-core-java installed on my machine in testing but it's not there. i checked http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libjai-core-java - why is it only built for amd64 (i'm i386) |
| 08:50.46 | antgel | ? |
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| 08:52.49 | cardamon | Weird. My mouse just stopped working. I can click, but the cursor will not move. |
| 08:52.57 | cardamon | I was fiddling with xorg and xinerama. |
| 08:53.21 | cardamon | But it was working and then suddenly not, rather than before or after changing a config. |
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| 08:54.15 | cardamon | Suggestions? |
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| 09:08.07 | v2 | Bonjour :) |
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| 09:11.14 | jaggz | cardamon, change out of x and back in? |
| 09:11.28 | jaggz | sleep and unsleep? |
| 09:11.44 | jaggz | hibernate and .. wow.. bears hibernate.. what in the world... |
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| 09:12.54 | jaggz | replug mouse :) |
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| 09:14.10 | antgel | hi all, i want to get libjai-core-java installed on my machine in testing but it's not there. i checked http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libjai-core-java - why is it only built for amd64 (i'm i386)? |
| 09:14.26 | bambanx | how i can full remove vim program? |
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| 09:18.18 | filePeter | bambanx: If you removed it with apt. There might still be an alternatives symlink set up... Is that what you mean? |
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| 09:20.39 | cdown | Hi -- I'm having a problem getting any sound in from a microphone on an ICH card. I remember having to fiddle before, but now absolutely no sound comes in this time. |
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| 09:20.54 | cdown | No mutes are on; neither the default sound recorder or Ekiga sees anything. |
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| 09:21.43 | cdown | There are two capture interfaces: "Capture" and "Capture 1" -- I can only assume that one is the inbuilt mic and the other is for input from the microphone jack. |
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| 09:29.42 | stephanj | i got this layout on a hdd http://pastebin.com/0vc1jPqi now i want to do the following: getting rid of sdb1/sdb5 resizing sdb2 to the borders of sdb6 and then create a new big ext3 partition where sdb1 and sdb5 was, how do do it the most safe and efficient way? losing data on sdb6 is not acceptable, and i dont have a suitable big backup drive |
| 09:30.07 | cdown | any operation like that is risky and should not be done without a backup. |
| 09:30.12 | cdown | ever. |
| 09:30.43 | antgel | stephanj: cdown is right, you're basically asking "how can i have a safety net without a backup" |
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| 09:30.45 | cdown | losing data on sdb6 may not be acceptable, but you're asking for it if you don't back up. even methods which may work on paper can have horrible consequences in reality. |
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| 09:35.18 | blocktree | suppose I have 2 sound cards ... how do I disable one system wide? The second card is on my VGA so I cannot remove it.. |
| 09:37.29 | stephanj | antgel, cdown: i hoped to avoid buying a new hdd now ;) i think i will move the data from sdb1 to sdb6 and then moving the system to sdb1 |
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| 09:37.40 | stephanj | and save the resizing for later |
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| 10:13.16 | dr_traktor | When I try to upload a file with WinSCP I get this error: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/543/filetransfererror.jpg/ |
| 10:13.43 | dr_traktor | I have the proper rights to upload and I don't know how to even start to tackle this problem. |
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| 10:15.25 | balboah | maybe enabling sftp subroutine in sshd config? |
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| 10:16.05 | balboah | dr_traktor: ssh logs on the server might give a hint |
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| 10:17.06 | dr_traktor | balboah, i'll try to look into it. Another thing: I can upload as root but not as a user. |
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| 10:17.48 | balboah | make sure the dir you upload to has the correct permissions |
| 10:18.15 | loop | for the user you are logged in as |
| 10:18.45 | streuner | http://winscp.net/eng/docs/message_error_code_4 |
| 10:19.01 | streuner | sounds like a permissions problem to me too |
| 10:19.47 | dr_traktor | The permissions should be all right. I am the owner of the dir with 0755 permissions. |
| 10:19.47 | woshty | how do i search for a package that is called abc in aptitude? i do not want to search for abc-foo, i just want abc. |
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| 10:22.16 | streuner | dr_traktor: ls -ld <some dir> |
| 10:22.53 | dr_traktor | drwxr-xr-x 8 tbur tbur 4096 Jan 12 05:16 . |
| 10:23.07 | streuner | dr_traktor: and tell us what you using in winscp |
| 10:23.07 | dr_traktor | that's my home dir where i want to upload stuff with user tbur |
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| 10:23.53 | dr_traktor | streuner, SFTP protocol with SCP fallback, user tbur, through port 22 |
| 10:23.54 | streuner | try to give this user write access too |
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| 10:24.34 | loop | rwxrwxr-x |
| 10:25.13 | vimpulse | woshty: dunno. Why not do "sudo /usr/bin/aptitude install abc" instead? |
| 10:25.17 | chalced | does anyone else dream of a magic command to return ram after you kill firefox ? |
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| 10:25.45 | chalced | Mem: 3888592k total, 2044640k used, 1843952k free, 18180k buffers |
| 10:25.46 | chalced | Swap: 12285944k total, 3051280k used, 9234664k free, 147040k cached |
| 10:25.47 | loop | restart x |
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| 10:26.08 | lancelot_of | hi there |
| 10:26.12 | dr_traktor | With drwxrwxrwx 8 tbur tbur 4096 Jan 12 05:25 . |
| 10:26.14 | dr_traktor | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.18 | chalced | i'd still have to close everything might as well reboot and do updates etc. |
| 10:26.32 | lancelot_of | how to burn an iso image on usb stick and make it bootable? |
| 10:26.34 | dr_traktor | I checked for quota but the package is not even installed. |
| 10:26.48 | ChrisH | dr_traktor: do you have access to the sshd server logs? I assume its Debian. I also assume you are not trying to login as root. |
| 10:26.51 | ksk | hey guys |
| 10:27.04 | dr_traktor | ChrisH, I can access them if they exist. |
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| 10:27.49 | ChrisH | dr_traktor: I asked 3 things and you answered not asked question 4... |
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| 10:28.17 | streuner | <dr_traktor> balboah, i'll try to look into it. Another thing: I can upload as root but not as a user. |
| 10:28.20 | dr_traktor | ChrisH, sorry. I have access. Its Debian. I'm not trying to login as root. |
| 10:28.58 | loop | and you set that dir level permissions not file |
| 10:28.59 | dr_traktor | I'm looking into the logs right now. |
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| 10:29.14 | streuner | dr_traktor: ls -ld <some dir> |
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| 10:29.33 | amt0101 | Hello! I'am running debian 6.0.3 amd64 lxde and I have a problem with Gedit. When I start gedit, it opens like in 20 seconds....this is ridiculous for a dual core machine with 4gb of ram. What could be the problem? |
| 10:29.34 | dr_traktor | streuner, drwxrwxrwx 8 tbur tbur 4096 Jan 12 05:25 |
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| 10:29.56 | streuner | hm, strange |
| 10:29.59 | loop | shouldnt it be the home dir |
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| 10:30.03 | loop | and not tbur |
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| 10:30.24 | loop | ./tbur/home |
| 10:30.25 | dr_traktor | It's the home dir for user tbur which is /home/tbur |
| 10:30.26 | amt0101 | If it helps, I have received a kernel fail message the last time I started the machine. I can post the log if you want. |
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| 10:30.45 | ksk | has one used "lshell"? is there a way to set "warning_counter" to an infinite value / disable this check? commenting it out, setting to 0 or -1 did not help.. |
| 10:30.46 | loop | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:30.52 | lancelot_of | how to burn an iso image on usb stick and make it bootable? |
| 10:31.24 | loop | nm |
| 10:31.28 | dr_traktor | loop, no such directory exist. |
| 10:31.30 | simonlnu | loop: usually /home/username |
| 10:31.55 | ChrisH | dr_traktor: logfiles should be /var/log/auth ... sshd can be unhappy with ~/.ssh to open and also if /home and ~ are open, means at least group writable |
| 10:32.03 | loop | ya. how are you setting permissions |
| 10:32.14 | loop | are you using a file manager or command |
| 10:32.30 | dr_traktor | loop, I used winscp. |
| 10:32.35 | p01s0nfree | lancelot_of: dd if=debian-installer.iso of=/dev/$usb bs=1024 # shere usb is something like sdb, sdc, sdd.... |
| 10:32.37 | ChrisH | dr_traktor: can you login from the debian server itself? |
| 10:32.47 | loop | how are you setting the permission on /home/tbur |
| 10:32.56 | p01s0nfree | amt0101: does it happen with a new user ? |
| 10:33.04 | dr_traktor | loop, I set it with the root account through WinSCP. |
| 10:33.27 | loop | did you try it outside of winscp |
| 10:33.29 | dr_traktor | ChrisH, I'll look into it never done such thing before though. |
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| 10:33.34 | simonlnu | ksk: try warning_counter="" |
| 10:33.37 | dr_traktor | loop, not yet. I'll try. |
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| 10:33.52 | Sevet | !tell lancelot_of about usb install |
| 10:34.01 | simonlnu | ksk: no i haven't used that, but sometimes works in other applications |
| 10:34.09 | amt0101 | p01s0nfree, I haven't tried to create a new user and run gedit. But I can tell you that yesterday, gedit was starting fine with the same user. |
| 10:34.31 | p01s0nfree | test with a new user may help to see if the issue is in /home or in /etc |
| 10:34.34 | amt0101 | p01s0nfree, I haven't updated, haven't modified nothing to the machine. I'm a beginner. |
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| 10:35.02 | p01s0nfree | or maybe even launch gedit form a xterm, and see if it prints errors |
| 10:35.07 | dr_traktor | loop, I changed it now through putty, with tbur user, to 0755. No change. |
| 10:35.10 | simonlnu | ksk: of course i may have the syntax wrong, (e.g. no '=' but a space, or " = "...you know what i mean) |
| 10:35.23 | dr_traktor | Another thing is that a 0 byte file chunk gets created when I try to upload. And then it fails. |
| 10:35.32 | dr_traktor | But the file chunk remains. |
| 10:35.40 | loop | and you cant mkdir in there then correct? |
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| 10:36.01 | dr_traktor | loop, ah, it says No space left on device |
| 10:36.02 | ksk | simonlnu: does not work, thanks anyway ;) |
| 10:36.08 | loop | lol |
| 10:36.11 | simonlnu | ksk: worth a try =) |
| 10:36.29 | loop | time to go shopping or shoplifting |
| 10:36.30 | woshty | vimpulse: i usally am in aptitude already and the realize, that there are a couple of hundred plugin and language files .. quitting take time and the running aptitude is blocking the db |
| 10:36.40 | casualuser | hello everybody =] |
| 10:36.44 | ChrisH | dr_traktor: can you ssh as that user to the target system? If yes run: sftp localhost and see if that is OK |
| 10:37.06 | simonlnu | ksk: stick "warning_counter lshell" in google, might find something useful |
| 10:37.22 | dr_traktor | Cbrk |
| 10:37.29 | dr_traktor | ChrisH, tried to, error I got: Failed to add the host to the list of known hosts (/home/tbur/.ssh/known_hosts). |
| 10:37.41 | casualuser | ppls, please help me with troubleshooting sound-recording issue on wheezy laptop |
| 10:37.42 | loop | if youre logging in as tbur youre not going to be able to set permissions on that parent directory |
| 10:38.00 | amt0101 | p01s0nfree, Could it be from the kernel fail I got? |
| 10:38.04 | dr_traktor | ChrisH, probably its because I cant write anything because 'No space left on device' ? |
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| 10:38.28 | ChrisH | dr_traktor: 'No space left on device' explains also the 0 bytes file :)) |
| 10:38.31 | loop | i find it hard to believe youre 99.9% capacity |
| 10:38.39 | p01s0nfree | amt0101: we can't know without reading the error :) |
| 10:38.52 | dr_traktor | ChrisH, but the root user can get more space. What can this be? |
| 10:39.11 | dr_traktor | quota is not installed |
| 10:39.12 | ChrisH | dr_traktor: this is how ext2/3/4 works |
| 10:39.36 | amt0101 | p01s0nfree, Ohh yeah:), I'll post it to pastebin in a moment, thanks for helping me. |
| 10:39.53 | ChrisH | dr_traktor: run df -h . in your home and paste it somewhere... I comment on ext2/3/4 assumed the Filesystem is over 95% |
| 10:39.56 | casualuser | previously there have been used squeeze with gnome2 and then after updating to wheezy and switching to xfce there is skype use pulseaudio only in settings and input sound glitching or so |
| 10:40.07 | amt0101 | p01s0nfree, http://pastebin.com/Db5UHRxc |
| 10:40.37 | dr_traktor | ChrisH, http://pastebin.com/zYRR67Ss looks like it. |
| 10:40.51 | casualuser | but alsa-base and alsa-utils installed |
| 10:41.29 | ChrisH | dr_traktor: / is at 100% Full is full... so my comment is true! |
| 10:41.38 | loop | yeesh |
| 10:41.56 | p01s0nfree | amt0101: line 4 says invalid opcode: 0000 [#1] SMP.. .maybe you're SMP got fucked and you're working with just one core? reboot and see if performance returns to its place |
| 10:42.12 | dr_traktor | ChrisH, yes. I wonder if more is available on the host machine. |
| 10:42.15 | ChrisH | dr_traktor: BTW what kind of HW is that? xvda is not a Devicetype I know. |
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| 10:42.35 | dr_traktor | ChrisH, its a virtual server. I don't know much about the underlying architecture. |
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| 10:42.51 | balboah | Xen me thinks |
| 10:43.30 | amt0101 | p01s0nfree, Ok I'll reboot...also, if it helps you...upon reboot or shutdown or restart, every time I hear a BEEP...could that mean something? |
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| 10:43.47 | ChrisH | dr_traktor: The admin of the underlying System, should assign another disk to the box and you could use it for eg. /home |
| 10:44.09 | p01s0nfree | amt0101: maybe the bios (the motherboard speaker), or maybe you enabled the grub tune that does that |
| 10:44.36 | amt0101 | p01s0nfree, It's not the bios...yeah, maybe grub...ok...i ll be right back |
| 10:44.56 | p01s0nfree | amt0101: the tune is in /etc/default/grub, just coment the line and update-grub |
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| 10:45.38 | amt0101 | p01s0nfree, And how do you update it? |
| 10:46.35 | p01s0nfree | as root, you edit the file, and then run "update-grub" in a terminal |
| 10:46.57 | amt0101 | thank you so much |
| 10:47.00 | dr_traktor | ChrisH, i see. Ill probably just ask the users to delete unnecessary files. Thanks for your and other's help. |
| 10:47.04 | amt0101 | I will restart then tell you how it's working. |
| 10:47.24 | p01s0nfree | good luck with that kernel bug |
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| 10:50.51 | amt0101 | p01s0nfree, Hah, now it works instantly! |
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| 10:51.51 | p01s0nfree | the kernel is a complex project, not all hardware vendors helps, so sometimes things may go wrong |
| 10:52.24 | amt0101 | p01s0nfree, What do you suggest in this case so I won't get that kernel error? |
| 10:52.43 | p01s0nfree | if you browse for kernel bug mm/slub.c:2969 (your message) you will find other people with the same issue, even there are open bug IDs in the debian tracker |
| 10:53.16 | amt0101 | p01s0nfree, Ohh, so it's still unsolved... |
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| 10:54.04 | p01s0nfree | amt0101: you may try other kernel versions, a custom kernel, blacklist modules that you do not use in your current kernel, use the options that each module has (lsmod+modinfo), ... mmm |
| 10:54.11 | p01s0nfree | I don't knwo really |
| 10:54.23 | p01s0nfree | maybe browse threads of others with the same issue |
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| 10:55.28 | p01s0nfree | use recycled computers as me, hardware will be well supported most times |
| 10:55.54 | amt0101 | Unfortunately I am not an advanced user to tailor my kernel as I want...but I will maybe try the 32 bit kernel and see how it works...or search on the net |
| 10:56.37 | amt0101 | p01s0nfree, Thanks so much for helping me out. |
| 10:56.47 | dr_traktor | ChrisH, loop, I just deleted 770M but df -h is unchanged it still says that 100% Full. |
| 10:56.55 | p01s0nfree | you can return the help back to the bug-tracker if you find a solution, good luck |
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| 10:57.35 | ChrisH | dr_traktor:unlinked files... someone might had the file still open |
| 10:58.05 | dr_traktor | ChrisH, can I 'force delete' it? |
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| 10:58.22 | dr_traktor | In fact I'm 99% sure no one had it open. |
| 10:58.30 | p01s0nfree | If someone has it open, will remain in some place of your ram... lsof | grep filename |
| 10:59.33 | dr_traktor | Hehe, I can't even install lsof, it says No space left on device. |
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| 11:00.46 | ChrisH | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:02.57 | p01s0nfree | <dr_traktor> ChrisH, loop, I just deleted 770M but df -h is unchanged it still says that 100% Full. <--- what is the size of the FS? maybe 770MB is not an 1%? remove the -h switch to see if space gets what you delete |
| 11:03.44 | ChrisH | p01s0nfree: It s 10GB FS, so 700MB is significant |
| 11:04.11 | p01s0nfree | do you get any error from rm? |
| 11:04.51 | p01s0nfree | I've just reads the last sentences, maybe you already talked about that earlier |
| 11:06.03 | dr_traktor | p01s0nfree, no it exited without any output. |
| 11:06.08 | dr_traktor | p01s0nfree, file disappeared. |
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| 11:06.34 | p01s0nfree | and does not relflect in more space ? |
| 11:06.48 | p01s0nfree | reflect |
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| 11:07.32 | ChrisH | p01s0nfree: Do you know unlinked files? |
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| 11:07.59 | p01s0nfree | rm should return 0 (rm whatever; echo $?) and should not need an aditional sync |
| 11:08.47 | p01s0nfree | ChrisH: I know unlink and unlink_at(), but I've not clear enough what are "unlined files" and if they make an rm "seem to work, but do not free space" |
| 11:08.56 | p01s0nfree | "unlinked" |
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| 11:09.36 | dr_traktor | p01s0nfree, it did not reflect in more space. I have to find something to delete now because I cant just create stuff because of aforementioned reasons. |
| 11:10.23 | p01s0nfree | apt-get clean ? |
| 11:10.39 | p01s0nfree | old logs... try to make size to install locale-purge and run it |
| 11:10.40 | p01s0nfree | ... |
| 11:10.56 | p01s0nfree | uninstall some "optional" package |
| 11:11.09 | p01s0nfree | compress some data... |
| 11:11.27 | ChrisH | To get rid of big lofgiles try to empty them.... cp /dev/null FILE_to_NULL |
| 11:11.32 | p01s0nfree | what does the machine? is a server? a desktop? |
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| 11:11.37 | ChrisH | compress will need additional space |
| 11:11.44 | p01s0nfree | yes indeed |
| 11:12.02 | dr_traktor | p01s0nfree, okay, I coped as root and deleted it with a user. echo $ printed $ i think that's not what you wanted. |
| 11:12.03 | p01s0nfree | ChrisH: then... what means "unlinked files" ? |
| 11:12.14 | boudiccas | help! on fully-updated squeeze i've just taken my box down to fit a new dvd burner and brought it back up. plugged in my usb external h/d drive and i get the following message ......... Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with: |
| 11:12.14 | boudiccas | mount: only root can mount /dev/sdb1 on /media/8eef3b99-c17b-4913-ae61-d34c7fd5d459_........ its line in fstab is ......../dev/sdb1 /media/8eef3b99-c17b-4913-ae61-d34c7fd5d459_ auto defaults 0 0 |
| 11:12.21 | boudiccas | how do i mount it please? |
| 11:12.38 | jelly | dr_traktor: pastebin your "df" and "df -i" output. |
| 11:12.53 | jelly | boudiccas: be root. |
| 11:13.17 | p01s0nfree | or try defaults,user (?) |
| 11:13.33 | dr_traktor | jelly, http://pastebin.com/d0UN1Uci |
| 11:14.01 | boudiccas | jelly; i've tried mounting it using sudo but it failed ......... sudo mount /media/8eef3b99-c17b-4913-ae61-d34c7fd5d459_ |
| 11:14.02 | boudiccas | [sudo] password for boztu: mount: mount point /media/8eef3b99-c17b-4913-ae61-d34c7fd5d459_ does not exist |
| 11:14.20 | boudiccas | but i'll try as root then |
| 11:14.25 | jelly | boudiccas: create the mount point? |
| 11:14.28 | p01s0nfree | dr_traktor: unrelated to your issue, but it's echo "$?" as in it will print the exit status of previous command (0 for OK, 1 to 255 for errors) |
| 11:14.43 | jelly | boudiccas: mkdir is your friend. |
| 11:14.51 | boudiccas | it was already created as it was runnign fine |
| 11:14.58 | boudiccas | before i took the machine down |
| 11:15.03 | jelly | and now it's not. |
| 11:15.06 | boudiccas | no |
| 11:15.14 | jelly | so create it back |
| 11:15.18 | boudiccas | k |
| 11:16.00 | themill | boudiccas: that's a rather odd use of UUIDs btw. |
| 11:16.23 | boudiccas | themill; odd in what way? |
| 11:16.32 | dr_traktor | p01s0nfree, I did it again with $?. It is 0 so rm generally works. |
| 11:16.35 | v2 | echo |
| 11:16.47 | jelly | dr_traktor: you still ought to be able to install stuff as root, the reserved space (difference between "1K-blocks" and "Used") isn't filled up |
| 11:17.23 | dr_traktor | okay, so what should i do with lsof? |
| 11:17.26 | themill | boudiccas: well, normally you use the UUID to specify the device and then a sensible name for the mount point; you've done it the other way around which gets the worst part of UUIDs (unreadable long gibberish names) without the benefits (stable device naming) |
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| 11:17.43 | dr_traktor | problem is i cant remember the name of the 770M file i deleted |
| 11:17.49 | jelly | dr_traktor: find which process(es) keep the deleted files still open. |
| 11:17.59 | boudiccas | ah right, well once its mounted i cna sort itout |
| 11:18.00 | themill | boudiccas: I presume that you've checked that sdb1 is still the external hard drive? |
| 11:18.04 | jelly | dr_traktor: something like lsof -n | grep deleted |
| 11:18.20 | jelly | dr_traktor: then make those processes end. |
| 11:18.23 | boudiccas | themill; the error message shows that |
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| 11:18.46 | themill | boudiccas: you never said what produced that error message |
| 11:19.06 | dr_traktor | jelly, grep outputs nothing for deleted. |
| 11:19.16 | dr_traktor | jelly, does it mean there is another problem? |
| 11:19.36 | themill | boudiccas: and if you have a line in fstab for the device then it's up to you to get the device name right, not some helper |
| 11:19.56 | dr_traktor | jelly, cancel that i didnt do it as root. |
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| 11:20.25 | dr_traktor | jelly, but that particular 700M file is not showing up. Only small stuff. |
| 11:20.26 | ChrisH | dr_traktor: As dr_traktor: as root you could also try lsof +N ...or reboot if possible |
| 11:20.42 | boudiccas | themill; i panciked and didnt think logically, mea culpa |
| 11:20.48 | boudiccas | panicked |
| 11:20.53 | themill | np |
| 11:20.59 | themill | !tea boudiccas |
| 11:20.59 | dpkg | hands boudiccas a nice iced bone china cup of tea with sugar. |
| 11:21.10 | jelly | !pancake |
| 11:21.13 | dr_traktor | ChrisH, I'll do reboot. |
| 11:21.30 | boudiccas | once i've verified that the new burner is working then i'll stop and have a cup of tea :) |
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| 11:28.50 | aguitel | i can read but not send twitts |
| 11:29.02 | themill | sounds like an improvement |
| 11:29.29 | colo-work | hehe |
| 11:30.04 | aguitel | themill, what means |
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| 11:30.31 | themill | !dbugs 625221 |
| 11:30.35 | dpkg | #625221:I[gwibber] cannot send notices when using network manager (patch); Mon, 02 May 2011 15:18:01 UTC [] |
| 11:30.40 | themill | !btssmite aguitel |
| 11:30.40 | dpkg | beats aguitel around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if aguitel is running testing or unstable |
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| 11:39.02 | dr_traktor | ChrisH, I rebooted the machine, that 700M deleted file is still nowhere, df -h still says 100% usage. |
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| 11:57.28 | boudiccas | okay, so i've got a cup of tea and am now wishing to change the mounting of my external usb drive which is currently mounted as '/media/8eef3b99-c17b-4913-ae61-d34c7fd5d459_ ' how do i mount it as a sane name like 'backup' please? how do i rename the drive? |
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| 11:58.06 | themill | boudiccas: how do you mount it? |
| 11:58.15 | boudiccas | themill; from fsatb |
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| 11:58.19 | boudiccas | fstab |
| 11:58.25 | themill | so typing "mount something" |
| 11:58.54 | boudiccas | themill; sorry? |
| 11:59.14 | themill | fstab doesn't mount things, it's a config file... what actually does the mounting |
| 11:59.32 | boudiccas | themill; i believe its autmounted by gnome |
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| 12:00.37 | themill | you probably don't need an fstab entry for it at all then; gnome will either use the filesystem label (change with e2label if it's ext2/3/4) or you should have an option to specify a mount point in its automounter settings. |
| 12:00.38 | boudiccas | themill; i plug it in, and after a short time its mounted |
| 12:01.02 | boudiccas | e2label, ah right thanks |
| 12:02.07 | themill | I've never seen automounters and fstab get along nicely though. Picking one or other for the task seems safer. (just like network manager and /e/n/interfaces, really) |
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| 12:06.13 | deb | if you use hal, try hal-set-property |
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| 12:07.31 | boudiccas | ,versions e2label |
| 12:07.33 | judd | No package named 'e2label' was found in i386. |
| 12:07.46 | dym | Is there a good tool to analyze webtraffic in detail via a webbrowser? |
| 12:08.26 | boudiccas | themill; i havent got 'e2label' on my squeeze system and neither is it installable or in the repos. any clues as to where i get it from please? |
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| 12:09.01 | themill | boudiccas: apt-file is your friend |
| 12:10.25 | ksx4system | what's oldest possible kernel to boot with squeeze |
| 12:10.26 | ksx4system | ? |
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| 12:10.43 | ksx4system | is it older than 2.6.26 from Lenny? |
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| 12:12.22 | boudiccas | themill; this is weird! e2label is not on my system, yet it has a man page, but doesnt respond to 'e2label --v' or 'e2label --help'. judd shows that its not available in versions |
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| 12:13.02 | themill | boudiccas: "does not respond" meaning what? |
| 12:13.35 | boudiccas | themill; just says 'command not found' |
| 12:13.39 | themill | ksx4system: squeeze's udev doesn't actually like lenny's kernel (you can botch lenny's udev on a squeeze machine to just about keep things running, depending on what you're trying to do...) |
| 12:13.58 | themill | boudiccas: so install the package that has that command, (or make sure that it's in your $PATH) |
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| 12:14.47 | ksx4system | themill: my box doesn't like squeeze's kernel :( it's mipsel Cobalt NASRaQ box (RaQ2 but can use two disks instead of one) |
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| 12:14.57 | boudiccas | themill; i've tried installing 'e2label' but the repos said that it wasnt available. and i dont know how to find out what program includes it |
| 12:15.06 | themill | dpkg: tell boudiccas about apt-file |
| 12:15.37 | themill | ksx4system: does it cope with newer kernels? or only older? |
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| 12:16.18 | ksx4system | themill: it used to run quite stable on lenny and on oldest possible squeeze kernel release |
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| 12:16.49 | ksx4system | themill: one of squeeze's kernel updates made it run very unstable so I installed backports kernel |
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| 12:17.09 | ksx4system | themill: now it boots full OS (Debian + all needed daemons) and then freezes... |
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| 12:17.50 | ksx4system | it used to boot on previous kernel but sometimes it was running very slow (one could write something via ssh and wait a minute until text shows up) |
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| 12:18.38 | ksx4system | now I'm only trying to boot it one more time from previous kernel to ssh/ftp files out of the box and at least try to make it alive again |
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| 12:19.55 | themill | ksx4system: you could reinstall the previous squeeze kernel that worked -- it will be on archive.debian.org if you don't have the .deb any more. But the mips porters would be better people to talk to. Don't know if they have an irc channel, but they certainly have a mailing list |
| 12:20.51 | boudiccas | okay, whilst trying to use 'e2label' to rename a drive,this is the output of it .........sudo e2label /media/8eef3b99-c17b-4913-ae61-d34c7fd5d459_ /media/backup e2label: Is a directory while trying to open /media/8eef3b99-c17b-4913-ae61-d34c7fd5d459_ Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock...... how then do i rename the drive please? |
| 12:21.10 | boudiccas | this is on an external usb h/d formatted ext3 |
| 12:21.12 | ksx4system | themill: I wrote to them (mailing list) and I was ignored in most rude way possible. The mail contained sort of good description of the problem and my hardware. |
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| 12:21.45 | ChrisH | dr_traktor: problem fixed? I was away for a while. |
| 12:21.55 | ksx4system | themill: bad thing is that I can't actually boot the box to the stage which would allow me to use ssh or serial console root access... but I'm still trying |
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| 12:22.55 | dr_traktor | ChrisH, yes |
| 12:23.03 | dr_traktor | ChrisH, the 700M file was a hard link |
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| 12:25.08 | themill | boudiccas: you need to change the label on the device, not the mount point |
| 12:25.59 | ChrisH | dr_traktor: OK... typically its an unlinked file. As long as one process has on open filedesriptor on the file the space will be allocated from filesystem Even you are no longer able to see the file. |
| 12:26.36 | boudiccas | themill; ok, how? the external target drive is just one big open directory like /, hence me trying to rename it |
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| 12:26.44 | dr_traktor | ChrisH, its useful to know that. Thanks for your help. |
| 12:27.07 | ChrisH | dr_traktor: yw |
| 12:27.28 | themill | ksx4system: from your post, you don't really provide much information at all about the problem (I don't even know if it's mips or mipsel from that post). There's no package versions for the kernel. I thought you also said that it was working fine with an older squeeze kernel but not with a more recent update? |
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| 12:30.21 | ksx4system | themill: Debian documentation itself explains that's a mipsel box (there are dedicated installer and kernel files for this architecture) |
| 12:32.15 | ksx4system | themill: It was of course working perfectly fine with lenny's kernel. Problems started with squeeze, it never ran *this* stable again even on stock kernel. |
| 12:32.56 | themill | ksx4system: you still don't provide enough information in that post for anyone to even have a stab at helping you. (as I said, kernel version? is there anything in the logs? is the kernel panicking? are processes going into a D state while the box pauses? concrete output from diagnostic tools would help you get answers) |
| 12:33.19 | NikLP | ok I'm adding www-data to ~user's group to try and break a permissions issue, but now that chown -R user:user and chmod 0770 in the www dir, I can't access the site via http; does this mean the group assignment hasn't taken effect? I've restarted apache but no dice |
| 12:33.25 | themill | ksx4system: I don't know whether debian-mips normally does end-user support anyway -- most porter lists would try if it looks like an arch-specific problem though |
| 12:33.28 | ksx4system | themill: btw if anyone has written a message to me I'd gladly check it and reply asap |
| 12:35.02 | ksx4system | themill: when the box freezes I can't simply do anything , even access shell (both serial and ssh). This makes any diagnostics like checking load and/or logs and/or state of running daemons strictly impossible. |
| 12:35.29 | themill | does it freeze in single user mode? or with init=/bin/bash ? |
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| 12:42.01 | Night_Elf | NikLP: Try to position yourself in the webserver's shoes and reason: Can I (www-data) access this location? If not, why ? |
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| 12:42.33 | NikLP | well it ought to be able to, but it can't - I'm thinking usermod -a -G user www-data is not taking effect |
| 12:43.11 | themill | that wouldn't do anything useful though |
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| 12:44.58 | Night_Elf | if a ls -ld on /var/www shows something like: dwrxwrx--- user user 4.0K Dec 1 12:00 /var/www then www-data can't reach that location. |
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| 13:09.11 | superlinux-hp | hi. how can I tell a linux kernel module , using modprobe, to read a change in its parameter? |
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| 13:17.13 | Sevet | superlinux-hp: i think you have to reload the module |
| 13:18.08 | p01s0nfree | that is, remove it, and then load it with the wanted options |
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| 13:18.51 | superlinux-hp | p01s0nfree, I cannot cos the video driver depends on it |
| 13:19.14 | p01s0nfree | hu, I doubt you can remove the video one |
| 13:19.35 | p01s0nfree | try and see, If that does not work, you may try module options from grub prompt each boot |
| 13:19.59 | p01s0nfree | and hardcode the working ones in /etc/modprobe.d and update your initramfs |
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| 13:21.01 | superlinux-hp | now imagine that i can remove a module. what is the syntax for typing a parameter that this parameter has another parameter? |
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| 13:22.06 | superlinux-hp | is't modprobe mod_name parm:1 OR modprobe mod_name parm=1 ? |
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| 13:23.50 | sc30317 | hey all, I am trying to update the motd. When I logout / login, my edited /etc/motd doesn't appear |
| 13:23.54 | sc30317 | what gives? |
| 13:24.23 | engla | dpkg bot suggests amd64 port of debian should be avoided |
| 13:24.23 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, engla |
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| 13:24.48 | engla | so can I install debian i386 on any 64-bit intel? |
| 13:24.56 | sc30317 | engla, yes |
| 13:25.15 | sc30317 | but if you have > 4GB ram, install 64 bit |
| 13:25.25 | sc30317 | actually, I would install 64 bit regardless on a 64 bit machine |
| 13:25.27 | engla | if I have exactly 4 GB RAM? |
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| 13:25.49 | engla | I want wine to work |
| 13:26.31 | engla | now with multiarch I guess it should run smoother |
| 13:26.46 | engla | as in more packages will work |
| 13:26.51 | themill | multiargh makes no difference at this stage |
| 13:27.46 | engla | dpkg: amd64 |
| 13:27.46 | dpkg | amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ #debian-amd64 on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
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| 13:28.01 | engla | it basically discourages use of amd64 |
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| 13:28.34 | themill | yes, although the reasons for doing so are becoming less and less with time |
| 13:29.20 | engla | so does wine work just as normal on amd64? |
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| 13:29.42 | themill | wine fails in all the same ways on both i386 and amd64 |
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| 13:30.03 | sc30317 | engla, what do you want to use wine for? |
| 13:30.11 | engla | just random old games |
| 13:30.51 | sc30317 | not worth it then imo |
| 13:31.27 | engla | what is not worth it? |
| 13:31.43 | sc30317 | running wine on debian for a couple old games |
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| 13:32.09 | engla | so I should just scrap that idea you mean |
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| 13:32.19 | engla | and do something productive |
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| 13:36.15 | engla | I'd say it's installing windows (and acquiring it first) is the thing not worth it for a couple of old games |
| 13:36.19 | engla | if wine can do it |
| 13:36.59 | jelly | engla: Using i386 Debian on a 64bit-capable machine is just fine. |
| 13:37.06 | sidewalk | how do i change the dpi of the gnome desktop greeter? |
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| 13:37.13 | id10t | 'lo all |
| 13:37.18 | sidewalk | i think its gdm3 |
| 13:37.38 | id10t | just upgraded to wheezy, switched from gnome to kde... i've got folderview working (no idea how i did it) so monitor 1 shows ~/Desktop, like gnome did... but the second monitor is a "separate" beast... i can drag apps abck and forth, but not the folderview... ideas? |
| 13:37.58 | engla | jelly: but what criteria should I use to choose? Just use i386 since it's the main platform? |
| 13:38.18 | id10t | engla - what cpu do you have? |
| 13:38.36 | engla | sandy bridge intel core i5 laptop |
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| 13:39.01 | id10t | engla - if you've got a lot of ram (more than 3gb) then go with amd64, otherwise either amd64 or i386 |
| 13:39.07 | jelly | engla: if you're dealing with some non-free software, from Adobe (Flash) or Google (their Chrome browser, for example), those still work better on 32bit. |
| 13:39.33 | engla | id10t: so what happens with the extra ram (I have 4 GB) on i386? |
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| 13:39.42 | engla | it's still a 64-bit kernel so should all be there |
| 13:39.47 | jelly | engla: the RAM size isn't an issue at all unless your workloads include apps that _each_ use > 3 GB RAM. |
| 13:39.51 | id10t | engla, you won't see or be able to use more than about 3.2gb of it... unless you enable PAE |
| 13:40.00 | jelly | id10t: or boot the -amd64 kernel. |
| 13:40.05 | themill | !686-pae |
| 13:40.06 | dpkg | At linux-2.6 2.6.39~rc4-1~experimental.1, the 686-bigmem flavour was renamed to "686-pae" with the 686 flavour removed. From the package changelog: "For 686-class systems without PAE, the '486' flavour is more efficient than the '686' flavour due to optimisation for uniprocessor systems." The change allows use of the NX (No eXecute, aka eXecute Disable) bit where available. See also <nopae>. |
| 13:40.56 | jelly | In fact, I'm going to put 8GB more RAM into my machine at home and NOT switch to amd64. |
| 13:41.37 | engla | ok thanks so far |
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| 13:42.06 | id10t | jelly - the pae lets you do that... |
| 13:42.38 | id10t | jelly - i just took the opportunity to move up to 64bit... reminded me too much of my 386 days, running a 16bit os on a 32bit cpu :) |
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| 13:43.12 | et | some people will still be afraid to switch in 2037 i guess |
| 13:43.45 | engla | et: will 64-bit processors ever have a successor? |
| 13:44.44 | et | some would say they already have |
| 13:44.57 | jelly | id10t: there's no need for PAE if you can use an -amd64 kernel. |
| 13:45.05 | id10t | jelly - correct |
| 13:45.44 | id10t | engla - 64bit stuff isn't new, and yes, there are 128bit and more out there... old old old mainframes had 48bit processors... |
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| 13:46.52 | engla | but will 128-bit ever take over for general-purpose computing |
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| 13:49.04 | jelly | I tried amd64 a couple times during last 2-3 years, it wasn't worth it for me. If I only used packaged, free software I'd probably have switched. |
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| 13:49.43 | engla | jelly: what kinds of programs did you have problems with? |
| 13:49.59 | engla | chrome etc? |
| 13:50.17 | jelly | engla: non-free: java plugins; flash; chrome. free: Perl scripts. |
| 13:50.30 | engla | perl scripts? |
| 13:50.41 | jelly | hashes take almost twice the memory. |
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| 13:51.00 | engla | I see |
| 13:51.04 | themill | and perl programmers *love* hashes. |
| 13:51.13 | colo-work | everybody does! |
| 13:51.22 | engla | they do |
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| 13:51.30 | jelly | #perl people said Debian builds their perl with wrong options and that Shouldn't Happen |
| 13:51.50 | jelly | didn't investigate further |
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| 13:53.36 | p01s0nfree | chucknorris is the hash of hashes |
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| 13:53.50 | sickgut | and you should never login as root |
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| 13:54.20 | sickgut | in russia, perl build YOU! |
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| 13:54.56 | p01s0nfree | with right compilation options |
| 13:55.21 | sickgut | well there are 1200 people logged into debian and 500 in perl room |
| 13:55.30 | p01s0nfree | jelly: do you know what options are, or where it was discussed ? |
| 13:55.32 | sickgut | so maybe people care more about debian than they do perl |
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| 13:55.56 | DammitJim | if there is an sftp server, can one ssh into it? |
| 13:56.10 | sickgut | DammitJim: yes |
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| 13:56.19 | sickgut | oh wait... |
| 13:56.29 | p01s0nfree | DammitJim: depends on server config, by default valid users get both |
| 13:56.31 | sickgut | i think its the other way rounfd |
| 13:56.44 | DammitJim | I'm asking because I'm trying to test an "sftp" server but I don't have any other client on my debian box but ssh client |
| 13:56.46 | sickgut | i think you sftp into your ssh server |
| 13:56.55 | jelly | p01s0nfree: didn't save references, sorry |
| 13:56.57 | sickgut | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:57.01 | DammitJim | can you recommend an sftp client? |
| 13:57.02 | p01s0nfree | np |
| 13:57.45 | sickgut | gftp |
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| 13:57.48 | p01s0nfree | DammitJim: GUI or CLI or a library ? |
| 13:57.49 | sickgut | apt-get install gftp |
| 13:58.00 | jelly | DammitJim: filezilla? sshfs? |
| 13:58.02 | DammitJim | p01s0nfree, any of them |
| 13:58.03 | sickgut | gftp does both believe it or not |
| 13:58.09 | DammitJim | oh, gftp has sftp? |
| 13:58.15 | DammitJim | hold on, I have that, but didn't see the option |
| 13:58.22 | sickgut | leme check i got it in front of me right now |
| 13:58.50 | sickgut | yes |
| 13:58.56 | sickgut | goto preferenced then ssh |
| 13:59.01 | sickgut | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.03 | DammitJim | ok |
| 13:59.18 | sickgut | if you supply the user and password in the ssh section your ok |
| 13:59.52 | sickgut | it will use your ssh server for sftp, you can sftp to anything with a ssh server aparently |
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| 14:00.02 | DammitJim | hhhmmmm |
| 14:00.08 | DammitJim | I just got confused again LOL |
| 14:00.22 | DammitJim | there is sftp and ftps, right? |
| 14:00.44 | sickgut | errr no idea |
| 14:00.46 | id10t | DammitJim, scp, sftp (related to eachother) and hten ftps (not related to ssh/sftp/scp) |
| 14:00.57 | DammitJim | oh ok |
| 14:01.09 | DammitJim | but scp is not the same as sftp |
| 14:01.22 | id10t | DammitJim, the default config for openssh-server allows both sftp and scp ... |
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| 14:01.45 | sickgut | boom there it is, what id10t said |
| 14:01.47 | DammitJim | yeah, I'm looking at some stuff on debian-administration about only allowing sftp |
| 14:01.47 | id10t | DammitJim, correct... but they are related, and handled by the same daemon |
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| 14:02.20 | id10t | DammitJim, and then there are the more interesting things, like using rsync over ssh, using sshfs, etc |
| 14:03.37 | sickgut | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:03.57 | sickgut | normal ftp over my 10/100 lan transferes at 9mb/ sec or so |
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| 14:04.09 | sickgut | sftp is more lik e 3mb/ sec |
| 14:04.11 | michelem | hello folks |
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| 14:04.43 | sickgut | now, is that due to a network restriction ( more bandwidth used by larger encrypted data) or a cpu kind of limitation? |
| 14:05.00 | michelem | I submitted a bugreport with reportbug about 24 hours ago. I received the CC copy at my address, but no news from debian. How can I check on this? |
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| 14:05.29 | id10t | sickgut, probably some of both |
| 14:05.34 | themill | michelem: which package? |
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| 14:05.45 | michelem | themill: initscripts |
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| 14:06.15 | id10t | sickgut, don't forget that you can also do compression w/ scp |
| 14:06.19 | DammitJim | sickgut, I went to preferences, but then how do I connect? |
| 14:06.20 | DammitJim | ftp? |
| 14:06.45 | sickgut | leme see |
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| 14:08.53 | sickgut | you can select protocol as well, i selected ssh2 and it worked on my ssh server |
| 14:09.15 | DammitJim | interesting... this server that I'm testing isn't letting me connect with ssh2 |
| 14:09.19 | sickgut | preferences -> network -> change ftp to ssh2 |
| 14:09.22 | boudiccas | How do you create a group called 'burning 'please? I need it to run k3b |
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| 14:09.51 | DammitJim | what the heck is fsp? |
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| 14:10.41 | themill | michelem: I can't see any bugs filed against initscripts this year, actually. |
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| 14:12.00 | themill | boudiccas: I've never needed to do anything like that to use k3b |
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| 14:12.29 | majnoon_ | kk trying out the kfreebsd install (does k= kde ?)) |
| 14:13.20 | allorder | kernel i think.. |
| 14:14.30 | boudiccas | themill; i'm trying to alter the permissions of my dvd burner from root:cdrom to root:burning which may make it actually burn a disk. i tried 'brasero' but thats very slow but seems very correct [i say that becuse i cant spell 'conscientous'] |
| 14:14.37 | majnoon_ | NOT a problem either way ,just curious |
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| 14:15.10 | themill | boudiccas: I don't know where you got the idea that you needed root:burning. k3b has always just worked out of the box |
| 14:15.38 | jelly | ,info hardening-wrapper |
| 14:15.40 | judd | Package hardening-wrapper (devel, extra) in squeeze/i386: Compiler wrapper to enable security hardening flags. Version: 1.29; Size: 11.7k; Installed: 116k; Homepage: http://wiki.debian.org/Hardening |
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| 14:20.20 | DammitJim | interesting I could sftp using winscp but not gftp nor ssh |
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| 14:21.49 | boudiccas | themill; i tried opening a file.k3b from a previous k3b program adn it refused to recognise a blank dvd so i though t it was permissions again. However, k3b is now quite happily burning away on its defaults |
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| 14:23.16 | michelem | themill: reportbug is a pain in the arse. I already wasted 2 hours with it. First time it gave a confirmation despite the MTA being not setup. The second time I received the CC, but upstream didn't … is there a way to submit via an official web form? |
| 14:23.24 | majnoon_ | netinstall DOES take a while :) |
| 14:24.13 | id10t | majnoon_, not if you have a local mirror, and during network config redirect ftp.us.debian.org to its ip address :) |
| 14:24.37 | majnoon_ | NOT worried :) |
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| 14:25.22 | majnoon_ | my net connection averages about 15 Mb so it not TOO slow :) |
| 14:25.30 | allorder | majnoon_: you know kfreebsd isnt stable ? |
| 14:25.55 | majnoon_ | stable in *nix a relative term |
| 14:26.14 | themill | michelem: reportbug can use any mail client you like. You can just submit the bug via your normal mail client. |
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| 14:26.35 | majnoon_ | (usually means ONLY like 20 times more stable then windows instead of 50) |
| 14:26.57 | themill | michelem: also, you told reportbug that you did have a mail client set up so it's not all reportbug's fault there. (I disagree with its choice of defaults but can't do anything about that) |
| 14:27.17 | majnoon_ | (is in virtualbox to goof with NOT production computer) |
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| 14:28.27 | majnoon_ | allorder, can use apt-get/synaptic ?? |
| 14:29.35 | DammitJim | LOL... I already had sftp |
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| 14:30.01 | Mephisto | can anyone tell me why i get black screen after a while of video playback in every single player until i either reboot or log out and back in& |
| 14:30.02 | Mephisto | ? |
| 14:30.29 | Mephisto | using Squeeze, Kernel 2.6.38bpo, ATI drivers 11.4 upgraded from backports and compiz. |
| 14:30.36 | Mephisto | got logs of three players. |
| 14:30.43 | dr-evil | ati or compiz :) |
| 14:30.44 | Mephisto | that were run in terminal. |
| 14:30.54 | Mephisto | dr-evil, huh? |
| 14:31.04 | Mephisto | you mean one of these things causes the trouble? |
| 14:31.07 | dr-evil | Mephisto: try other X driver |
| 14:31.33 | dr-evil | Mephisto: a few time ago, Ati driver was suxx. |
| 14:31.45 | Mephisto | hm |
| 14:31.51 | Mephisto | name tells for itself) |
| 14:32.01 | allorder | majnoon_: yes |
| 14:32.08 | dr-evil | Mephisto: i never use it :) but keep in mind |
| 14:32.10 | michelem | themill: whatever way, a web reporting tool like the FreeBSD one would fix all of this at once. |
| 14:32.14 | Mephisto | dr-evil, ok, thanks |
| 14:32.17 | majnoon_ | then i'll be okies :) |
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| 14:32.38 | Mephisto | dr-evil, anyway... let me post the logs of players with the error initiated just in case... |
| 14:32.42 | themill | michelem: not really... did you notice that reportbug includes a pile of information in the bug report? |
| 14:32.44 | dr-evil | Mephisto: next thing I heard, was about video and compiz :) It's too suxx :0 |
| 14:33.05 | michelem | themill: yes, which the user can fill in by hand, see http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html . |
| 14:33.10 | Mephisto | dr-evil, i like compiz, but it has some nasty things... for example, some tray prob.. |
| 14:33.40 | Mephisto | dr-evil, when i minimize an app it goes right up in the tray (using gnome of course) but it still remains on the task bar until i click on it and it dissappears |
| 14:33.45 | Mephisto | that's kinda.... suxx |
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| 14:33.48 | dr-evil | Mephisto: I don't need compiz. I never use it. |
| 14:34.08 | Mephisto | dr-evil, well, i like its knick-knacks... like splash thing, snow and such.. |
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| 14:34.38 | dr-evil | Mephisto: ah! looking good, but taking time and CPU :( |
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| 14:35.01 | Mephisto | dr-evil, well, not that much for me actually.... |
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| 14:35.13 | dr-evil | Mephisto: now I'm migrated to openbox from gnome. It's much better. |
| 14:35.14 | Mephisto | dr-evil, i haven't experienced any memory lack yet |
| 14:35.25 | themill | michelem: except they don't. A real-time response from the BTS to tell you that it was received would be nice yes. Why didn't you use the reportbug.debian.org one that reportbug recommends? |
| 14:35.26 | Mephisto | dr-evil, i'm used to something more user-friendly looking.. |
| 14:35.50 | dr-evil | Mephisto: no man, u just need to do your work fast :) |
| 14:35.58 | dr-evil | Mephisto: so what about logs? :) |
| 14:36.14 | Mephisto | dr-evil, ok, let me show you.. actually i've disabled compiz already and just on metacity at the moment, but i'm still curious.... |
| 14:36.17 | Mephisto | let me show you.. |
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| 14:37.11 | Mephisto | http://pastebin.com/xGhDnxAx |
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| 14:37.13 | Mephisto | VLC. |
| 14:37.36 | Mephisto | http://pastebin.com/bNHm2mTH |
| 14:37.37 | Mephisto | Totem |
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| 14:38.03 | Mephisto | http://pastebin.com/AvTrEJrf |
| 14:38.04 | Mephisto | MPlayer. |
| 14:38.34 | Mephisto | this is it. It's when "blackscreen" kicks in and nothing plays back anymore. |
| 14:38.39 | dr-evil | wow |
| 14:38.54 | dr-evil | what driver u use now? |
| 14:38.54 | Mephisto | it happens never at once, only after a while. |
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| 14:39.09 | dkarampin | can anyone have a look here: http://pastebin.com/0tks59vR ? |
| 14:39.11 | Mephisto | well... fglrx 11.4 from backports with all other stuff. |
| 14:39.18 | Mephisto | but there's two weird things about it |
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| 14:39.51 | dr-evil | Mephisto: try with "radeon" |
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| 14:40.03 | Mephisto | it works, BUT.... when i try doing "aticonfig --initial" in terminal it says this: Found fglrx primary device section |
| 14:40.03 | Mephisto | Fail to link to fglrx-libglx.so, please check whether driver is installed correctly |
| 14:40.03 | Mephisto | Using /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 14:40.03 | Mephisto | Saving back-up to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx-4 |
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| 14:40.10 | Mephisto | damn... |
| 14:40.15 | Mephisto | did you get it? |
| 14:40.24 | dr-evil | omg |
| 14:40.36 | Mephisto | and also.. when i check catalyst it says 10.9 version, not 11.4..... dunno why. |
| 14:40.38 | themill | takes away Mephisto's enter key |
| 14:40.41 | dr-evil | switch to radeon |
| 14:41.00 | Mephisto | dr-evil, i can't i need a more advanced driver... to adjust brightness and such, you see... |
| 14:41.11 | dr-evil | Mephisto: laptop? |
| 14:41.14 | Mephisto | also, i'd use old one, it was ok.. which is 10.9, but i can't, cause i'm using kernel 2.6.38 |
| 14:41.15 | Mephisto | no |
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| 14:41.42 | dr-evil | so switch and use stable normal driver. |
| 14:41.43 | Mephisto | and kernel 2.6.38 requires a different ATI driver... at least i can't leave an old one... it wouldn't let me |
| 14:41.45 | majnoon_ | iirr doesn't freeBSD have a linux "comaptability" layer ?? |
| 14:41.53 | Mephisto | dr-evil, you mean i have to use old kernel too? |
| 14:42.23 | jhutchins_lt | .38 is not a Debian kernel. |
| 14:42.28 | dr-evil | Mephisto: I said nothing about kernel |
| 14:42.44 | dr-evil | jhutchins_lt: what about backported? |
| 14:42.48 | Mephisto | dr-evil, well listen, i'm telling you that i can't leave the old driver, it doesn't work with that kernel |
| 14:42.49 | lapsusbrutus | anyone remeber how to install the radeon HD4850 the debian way? aptitude install fglrx? |
| 14:42.56 | jhutchins_lt | dr-evil: Nope. |
| 14:43.07 | Mephisto | lapsusbrutus, there's wiki on how to do it, i always follow it |
| 14:43.11 | Mephisto | lapsusbrutus, wait. |
| 14:43.16 | jhutchins_lt | dr-evil: It was available for a while but it didn't work very well and has been replaced with .39 on Debian. |
| 14:43.24 | Mephisto | lapsusbrutus, http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 14:43.27 | Mephisto | lapsusbrutus, there ya go. |
| 14:43.33 | jhutchins_lt | Ether Mephisto is running an old kernel or he's not running Debian. |
| 14:43.36 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 14:43.39 | lapsusbrutus | ohh great thanks Mephisto ;) |
| 14:43.39 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.8-2); wheezy: 3.1.0-1-686-pae (3.1.6-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-38); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-27) |
| 14:43.42 | dr-evil | Mephisto: u talking about fglrx. I'm about radeon. |
| 14:43.53 | michelem | themill: I resubmitted the bug through my MUA. What's the best way to confirm it was taken up? |
| 14:43.57 | Mephisto | lapsusbrutus, np |
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| 14:44.22 | Mephisto | dr-evil, i dunno what you mean. Radeon driver is limited as far as i'm concerned. |
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| 14:44.54 | dr-evil | Mephisto: ok, feel free to have some problems :) |
| 14:45.00 | Mephisto | jhutchins, no, it's just backports kernel, and yes, i can upgrade to .39 too, but.. it has some audio glitch. When recording stuff or talking on skype it's usually followed by some nasty static scratchy noise. |
| 14:45.10 | Mephisto | dr-evil, haha, ok. Thanks for encouragement :) |
| 14:46.01 | Mephisto | jhutchins_lt, i know it sounds stupid, but that's what i get. |
| 14:46.19 | Mephisto | jhutchins, i've done it twice, and both times same scratchy thing kicks in. |
| 14:46.31 | jhutchins_lt | Mephisto: Where did you get the kernel? What does uname -r say? |
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| 14:46.34 | Mephisto | why would that be related to kernel - i have no damn idea. But i'm not surprised anymore |
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| 14:47.00 | Mephisto | jhutchins_lt, man, i told you, backports! |
| 14:47.06 | Mephisto | jhutchins_lt, 2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 14:47.10 | jhutchins_lt | .38 was never backported. |
| 14:47.15 | Mephisto | jhutchins_lt, haha |
| 14:47.16 | themill | jhutchins_lt: orly? |
| 14:47.24 | Mephisto | jhutchins_lt, well.. do some research then.. |
| 14:47.44 | Mephisto | jhutchins_lt, cause if by anymeans it wasn't backported then i wrote it myself |
| 14:47.52 | Mephisto | jhutchins_lt, which is hightly unlikely |
| 14:47.53 | jhutchins_lt | Mephisto: In any case, .38 wasn't a good release, if you're really running Debian backports use .39 |
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| 14:48.08 | Mephisto | jhutchins_lt, look above... and see what i said about audio. |
| 14:48.12 | jhutchins_lt | themill: If it was it wasn't for very long. |
| 14:48.18 | jhutchins_lt | Whatever. |
| 14:48.46 | Mephisto | jhutchins_lt, with stable kernel i get error messages regarding ACPI in dmesg. In .38 i don't have those anymore. Everything's fine. in .39 i get the same but plus audio glitch. |
| 14:48.50 | Mephisto | i hope that's clear enough. |
| 14:49.03 | themill | jhutchins_lt: It works much better for me than the .39 in bpo and that's why I'm still using it and why it was still in the repo for quite some time. |
| 14:49.14 | Mephisto | themill, word up. |
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| 14:49.32 | jhutchins_lt | themill: That surprizes me, lots of people seemed to have trouble with .38 |
| 14:49.39 | Mephisto | themill, however... it does kinda... crash a bit when reconnecting to the network. I mean, no serious disturbance, but it reports something. |
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| 14:50.18 | Mephisto | jhutchins_lt, technically speaking every kernel is some shit... it just works more or less good for certain people/hardware. |
| 14:50.29 | jhutchins_lt | Mephisto: I guess I missed that you had tried .39, was hoping it would help. |
| 14:50.43 | Scr4tchY | Hello. Anyone had tested Debian6 + RHEL6 OpenVZ Kernel ? |
| 14:50.48 | jhutchins_lt | Mephisto: Our hope and goal is that they get better. |
| 14:50.54 | Mephisto | jhutchins_lt, yep. But anyway, i don't think that video is any related to the kernel. |
| 14:50.57 | ksk | Scr4tchY: works |
| 14:51.19 | Scr4tchY | ksk: Is that stable? Even with 100+ Gb DDR3 ? |
| 14:51.25 | Mephisto | jhutchins_lt, i just said it because i had to clarify why i'm using a newer ATI driver. Cause i couldn't use the old one on .38. Do you understand? |
| 14:51.37 | jhutchins_lt | Yes. |
| 14:51.38 | Mephisto | jhutchins_lt, same goes for virtualbox. I had to upgrade it. |
| 14:51.40 | ksk | Scr4tchY: dunno. why not use debian kernel? |
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| 14:52.02 | ksk | why u run openvz with a machine with 100+ Gb DDR3? :D |
| 14:52.38 | Scr4tchY | Two reasons: I heard that the RHEL6 OpenVZ is more stable than the Debian Kernel & because the neww RHEL6 Kernel has vSWAP. |
| 14:52.48 | Scr4tchY | Huge MySQL VM =p |
| 14:52.52 | abrotman | !tell ksk about u |
| 14:52.55 | Mephisto | jhutchins_lt, surprisingly enough many people have reported that kernel .39 has improved their audio, in my case it seems to be the other way around. |
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| 14:53.22 | ksk | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:53.28 | majnoon_ | <--JUST upgraded VB |
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| 14:53.31 | Mephisto | jhutchins_lt, maybe they have no probs with PulseAudio... but i'm using ALSA, and WILL stay on it for as long as possible. It gives me no asspain |
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| 14:54.36 | Mephisto | there's some conflict i believe between ALSA and kernel .39... maybe it's not the same for everyone.. but i do get a slight prob. |
| 14:54.39 | ksk | Scr4tchY: okay, vswap can be nice. just using openvpn on a private machine anyways, so i cannot help you. theres #openvz btw |
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| 14:55.10 | Scr4tchY | Yeah ? Thanks :) |
| 14:55.17 | Scr4tchY | Why openVPN huhu x) |
| 14:55.28 | Mephisto | probably one has to upgrade his ALSA driver too when stepping to .39... but i can't. I have 1.0.23, there's no way i can upgrade to 1.0.24, not on Squeeze. |
| 14:56.26 | Mephisto | oh well.. i'm now on metacity, will see if any trouble occurs again with playback... |
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| 14:56.40 | dr-evil | ÄÁ ÏÎ ÕÐÏÒÏÔÙÊ × ÍÑÓÏ ) |
| 14:56.43 | majnoon_ | wow bruce lee been dead 35+ years :/ |
| 14:56.48 | abrotman | dr-evil: english please |
| 14:57.00 | dr-evil | abrotman: sorry |
| 14:57.00 | abrotman | majnoon_: wrong channel |
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| 14:57.26 | majnoon_ | kk |
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| 14:57.52 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic for social/general/fun discussion, thanks |
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| 15:00.29 | abrotman | majnoon_: no need to message me .. perfectly happy to talk about it in #debian-offtopic |
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| 15:02.39 | talexb | Probably a stupid question, but I'll ask anyway .. I bought a new machine with Windows 7; I partitioned the disk using the Windows tools, but when I try to install Debian, it just sees the hard drive in its entirety, and not the two volumes. |
| 15:03.15 | talexb | Now, when I created the new second volume, I didn't format it or assign it a drive letter .. I'll try that next time, but I thought I'd ask anyway. |
| 15:03.56 | talexb | And I haven't been able to get Knoppix or others to run successfully on this machine -- possibly because it's a newish motherboard. |
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| 15:05.50 | abrotman | talexb: did you try the gparted live cd ? |
| 15:05.58 | ChrisH | talexb: use selected "manuall" instead of the guided options? Do you have the Installer booted and you can run any fdisk'ish command as fdisk -l ? |
| 15:06.01 | lapsusbrutus | talexb: "assign it a drive letter" you know that linux uses one file tree right? no c: or crap like that :) Just needs a fs and to be mounted. |
| 15:06.02 | abrotman | talexb: make sure you have a backup if you care |
| 15:07.02 | talexb | abrotman Thanks, I'll try that .. |
| 15:07.27 | talexb | ChrisH, Yes, I tried manual .. it presented the entire drive to me to install onto, not my intent .. |
| 15:08.11 | talexb | lapsusbrutus, Uh, yeah, I knew that. I just don't know what happens down at the lower levels, so decided to do the least amount of change .. trying not to mess up my Windows install because I still need it for testing. |
| 15:08.34 | talexb | abrotman, Re: backup .. it's a brand new machine -- all I care about right now is the Windows installation. :) |
| 15:08.46 | ChrisH | talexb: This is how I did it. resize the Win7 Partion inside Win7 (I was amazed its possible) and create my parttions in DEbian installer, not using windows (I do not even know how to do it in Win) |
| 15:09.30 | talexb | ChrisH, The installer didn't present me that option -- it listed the entire 1Tb drive, rather than sda and sdb, both about 500G, which is what I expected. |
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| 15:09.48 | ChrisH | sda and sdb are 2 different Disk! |
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| 15:10.07 | jhutchins_lt | themill: I really don't remember seeing .38 in backports (I would have tried it). |
| 15:10.08 | talexb | ChrisH, D'Oh .. you're right. |
| 15:10.13 | ChrisH | I assume the sda is the 1TB disk and there should be sda1, sda2, sda3, ... |
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| 15:10.25 | talexb | Hmm. |
| 15:11.17 | talexb | Well, I'll try the gparted live cd as abrotman suggested .. but I haven't had much success so far with live CDs on that machine. |
| 15:11.22 | talexb | Thanks all! |
| 15:12.01 | jhutchins_lt | talexb: Do i understand that you have a Windows partition that is spanning two drives? |
| 15:12.21 | talexb | jhutchins, No -- sorry. |
| 15:12.25 | abrotman | talexb: i did mine with gparted |
| 15:12.42 | talexb | jhutchins, It's a 1T drive with Windows. I created a new partition of about 500G. |
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| 15:13.54 | abrotman | talexb: in short, i removed teh secret partition, moved the win7 partition, resized, installed Debian . |
| 15:14.24 | talexb | abrotman, Secret partition? |
| 15:14.35 | abrotman | talexb: the "System" partition |
| 15:14.45 | abrotman | (which btw .. removing makes installing patches 'fun') |
| 15:14.51 | talexb | There's a 100M partition at the beginning of the disk .. |
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| 15:15.03 | abrotman | that's what i'm talking about |
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| 15:15.15 | talexb | used to know a ton about Windows .. but that was many Linux installs ago. |
| 15:15.15 | abrotman | it's secret because IIRC, win7 acts like it doesn't exist |
| 15:15.25 | abrotman | talexb: sadly, i know more than i want :) |
| 15:15.30 | talexb | :) |
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| 15:16.40 | lapsusbrutus | talexb: why need windos? gamer? |
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| 15:17.21 | ChrisH | lapsusbrutus: sometimes its usefull to see if the HW is still OK :) |
| 15:17.25 | lapsusbrutus | you could just run windows in a kvm vm or virtualbox or something. I never run windowns on iron |
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| 15:17.43 | talexb | lapsusbrutus, :) I'm interested in running Eclipse from Windows as part of some R&D that I'm doing. |
| 15:18.11 | lapsusbrutus | ChrisH: well, on most HW, linux does that better in my opinion |
| 15:18.12 | talexb | The box has 16M, so I'm also interested in running a couple of VMs from Linux. |
| 15:18.46 | talexb | lapsusbrutus, You're missing the point .. I want to try it from Windows and see how the experience compares with the same thing running under Linux. |
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| 15:19.15 | talexb | I've been using Linux since 1998 .. I'm already sold. |
| 15:19.34 | lapsusbrutus | yeah put linux on the bottom :) and with a software raid5.. and lvm if yuo like .. ahh |
| 15:19.36 | talexb | Er, the box has 16*G* .. |
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| 15:20.17 | lapsusbrutus | talexb: 16 is perfect for linux.. windows will just be a waste.. :) |
| 15:20.21 | talexb | Haven't used LVM yet, but I have set up my own file/git server with 1T of RAID-1 .. works very nicely. |
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| 15:20.35 | ChrisH | lapsusbrutus: My UMTS Card did no longer work under Linux, and I was afraid I mixed something up like PIN or HW ow... As it was fine with Windows I was able to conecntrate on a SW issue on linux... and it was a udev update mixing up my modifications.... still waiting for my patch to be intergrated |
| 15:20.41 | talexb | lapsusbrutus, I shudder bring up IE on this box. |
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| 15:21.46 | qxt | Why does $date show the wrong time but $date -u shows the right time? The tzdata is setup right afaik |
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| 15:22.11 | s70rm | name of package of JRE ? |
| 15:22.22 | jelly | !install java |
| 15:22.22 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install either the free icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze) or icedtea-gcjwebplugin (Lenny) package, or the <non-free> sun-java6-plugin package. For other Java programs, you can install the default-jre package to get a Java runtime; use "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre (non-free). See also <java alternatives>. |
| 15:22.29 | jelly | s70rm: ^^ |
| 15:22.39 | jelly | so, openjdk-6-jre |
| 15:22.41 | qxt | In short UTC time seems to be right. CET time is wrong. |
| 15:23.18 | jelly | qxt: can you show the exact outputs of "date" and "date -u"? |
| 15:23.40 | qxt | jelly Thu Jan 12 16:23:30 UTC 2012 |
| 15:23.57 | jelly | qxt: that's not correct. |
| 15:24.13 | Mephisto | speaking of that.. |
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| 15:24.25 | Mephisto | that plugin takes consumes sometimes 100% of my resources |
| 15:24.26 | Mephisto | dunno why |
| 15:24.34 | lapsusbrutus | hope openjdk becomes the defacto standard soon.. I hate oracle.. |
| 15:24.35 | Mephisto | applet depending of course |
| 15:24.39 | et | qxt: do you have windows on the same computer? |
| 15:24.56 | jelly | qxt: is this a machine with dual- or multi-boot of different OSes? |
| 15:25.11 | qxt | et we hotswap hdds. One of them is Win7 for Autocad. |
| 15:25.44 | et | qxt: then configure debian to use local time as hardware time |
| 15:26.10 | jelly | qxt: so yes. In that case, set UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS, fix your clock (it's one hour in the future now), and reboot. |
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| 15:27.53 | qxt | jelly OK I was looking at that before. How can Windows be messing up my time on my machine when that hdd is not even in my computer atm? |
| 15:27.57 | et | or just boot windows to let it "fix" your clock ;) |
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| 15:28.10 | et | qxt: windows changes it when it boots. |
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| 15:28.37 | qxt | et in BIOS? Jezzz I hate MS! |
| 15:28.39 | et | (if there's something getting the time from the web) |
| 15:28.40 | jelly | qxt: Windows OSes, so far, expect the bios clock to be in local time. |
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| 15:29.12 | qxt | jelly .... grrrr Windows. |
| 15:29.20 | jelly | qxt: if your Debian expects it to be UTC, symptoms like these can happen |
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| 15:30.02 | et | qxt: there would be no problem if you hadn't lied to the installer when you installed debian ;) it asks a question specifically because of that |
| 15:30.04 | qxt | jelly yeah I set up all the servers to use UTC (the way it should be) |
| 15:30.21 | jelly | qxt: if they multiboot, they're not really servers <g> |
| 15:30.43 | dioz | i don't always herp |
| 15:30.50 | iman | when I want got ping in my debian, I get this terrible error http://dpaste.com/686590/, would you please some one help me to solve this ? |
| 15:30.53 | dioz | dammit i ruined it |
| 15:31.03 | qxt | jelly this computer is used to control a bunch of headless servers though ssh. |
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| 15:31.57 | mosno | iman: try /bin/ping |
| 15:32.08 | mosno | iman: or install iputils-ping |
| 15:32.19 | qxt | jelly all the same a Windows 7 disk is hotswapped into the ACHI for one stupid program (AutoCad) at times. |
| 15:32.33 | mosno | iman: or you could have done apt-file search bin/ping |
| 15:32.35 | dr_traktor | free says 220M of 250M of memory is used, but using top I cant see any porcesses consuming more than 1%. How can I find the missing memory? |
| 15:33.01 | bolt | dr_traktor: it's not missing. it's likely cached harddrive data |
| 15:33.04 | abrotman | dr_traktor: how much in buffers/files ? |
| 15:33.22 | dr_traktor | abrotman, I don't know, can you help me how to check? |
| 15:33.29 | bolt | !tell dr_traktor about free memory |
| 15:33.30 | abrotman | dr_traktor: it tells you in 'free' |
| 15:33.38 | dr_traktor | oh |
| 15:33.47 | dr_traktor | 86M buffers |
| 15:33.59 | abrotman | and cached ? |
| 15:34.09 | dr_traktor | 40M cached |
| 15:34.25 | bolt | dr_traktor: well, that's where it is. now read what dpkg told you :) |
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| 15:34.32 | abrotman | so that's 126MB that can be used for applications but is currently used by files , etc that were cached in RAM |
| 15:34.34 | dr_traktor | bolt, okay. |
| 15:34.35 | et | dr_traktor: free should output something like http://codepad.org/lsA1a5f1 |
| 15:34.42 | ChrisH | iman: correct PATH so that it contains /bin |
| 15:35.05 | et | the second line is what's there taking buffers/caches into account |
| 15:35.33 | abrotman | i meant the first row, but oh well |
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| 15:35.59 | abrotman | i think he gets the idea |
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| 15:36.12 | dr_traktor | abrotman, yes, thanks. |
| 15:36.20 | et | abrotman: well, you can either look at the first row and do the math yourself or just look at the second row |
| 15:36.29 | dr_traktor | So this shouldnt cause any problems trying to launch some executables. |
| 15:36.34 | abrotman | nope |
| 15:36.35 | qxt | et was thinking about what you said "asks a question specifically because of that" is there a way to rectify that question post installation? |
| 15:36.45 | abrotman | et: the numbers don't add up ? |
| 15:36.48 | zok | Is the latest version of php (5.3.9) available through apt-get? |
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| 15:37.11 | et | qxt: jelly told you how to do that |
| 15:37.30 | qxt | et just UTC=no |
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| 15:37.58 | abrotman | zok: which version of Debian ? |
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| 15:39.54 | zok | Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 |
| 15:40.15 | jelly | zok: not from Debian. |
| 15:40.19 | abrotman | no .. squeeze has PHP 5.3.3 |
| 15:40.24 | jelly | ,versions php5 |
| 15:40.25 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; sid: 5.3.6-7; sid: 5.3.8.0-1; wheezy: 5.3.8.0-1; experimental: 5.4.0~beta2-1 |
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| 15:41.09 | dr_traktor | There are certain programs I can't start. They dont give me any error messages. Where should I look for information about why some programs couldnt start? |
| 15:41.41 | dvs | dr_traktor: An X window program? |
| 15:41.46 | zok | Is there a way I can install 5.3.9 without compiling from source? |
| 15:41.56 | dr_traktor | dvs, no just some daemons. |
| 15:41.59 | abrotman | zok: not with Debian packages |
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| 15:42.22 | OsteHovel | Increasing the memmory of the pc that has root on nfs from 512 to 768mb helped alot infact |
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| 15:42.49 | abrotman | zok: you could create your own packages |
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| 15:43.03 | zok | oh? |
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| 15:47.06 | lapas | kas 2x2 off |
| 15:47.22 | abrotman | lapas: Do you need help with Debian ? |
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| 15:51.58 | matthieu637 | hi, i'm trying to use ipv6 with ssh, but it doest work : the socket is listening, ip6tables seems OK, i can ping, but can't connect, what did i have forgotten? |
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| 15:52.35 | abrotman | matthieu637: can you telnet to that port ? |
| 15:53.39 | qxt | jelly I changed /etc/default/rcS to UTC=no and rebooted but date -u is still 1 hour ahead. Same with my local time? |
| 15:53.48 | matthieu637 | abrotman: telnet -6 2a00:8380:174:5000:213:d4ff:fe7b:4b18 12365 |
| 15:53.50 | matthieu637 | Trying 2a00:8380:174:5000:213:d4ff:fe7b:4b18... |
| 15:54.04 | jelly | qxt: did you set the clock correctly before rebooting? |
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| 15:54.26 | abrotman | your port is 12365 ? |
| 15:54.30 | matthieu637 | yes |
| 15:54.39 | matthieu637 | abrotman: telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out |
| 15:54.40 | abrotman | matthieu637: if that fails, something isn't working |
| 15:54.54 | qxt | jelly just in tzdata. Do I need to manually change date with a set? |
| 15:55.15 | abrotman | matthieu637: a) make sure both systems have a working ipv6 b) make sure it's listening on :::22 c) check your iptables again |
| 15:55.23 | jelly | qxt: yes. date --set ... |
| 15:56.03 | jelly | qxt: you can also run hwclock --systohc after that, but the reboot ought to do that for you |
| 15:56.35 | jelly | qxt: alternatively, just reboot but set the clokc in bios to match local timezone |
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| 15:57.46 | qxt | jelly kk, will I loose all the day light savings etc? I live near the circle and it changes all the time. |
| 15:58.18 | qxt | arctic circle* |
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| 15:58.51 | jhutchins_lt | qxt: Do you have the latest tzdata? |
| 15:59.14 | colo-work | how do you install Oracle JDK on Debian these days? are there any kind of deb packages available, after those idiots shut down their 3rd party licensing program? |
| 15:59.31 | jelly | qxt: what. |
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| 15:59.47 | matthieu637 | abrotman: rapport : http://pastebin.com/TqY7rJQn |
| 15:59.50 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: CET hasn't changed for quite a while |
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| 16:00.09 | matthieu637 | abrotman: all seem good =/ |
| 16:00.12 | qxt | jhutchins_lt I am not sure. I am using the debian testing (wheezy) repos. |
| 16:00.32 | jelly | colo-work: it's not _too_ hard to make packages for 1.6_30 out of previous Debian packaging |
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| 16:00.53 | abrotman | matthieu637: not on the same network ? |
| 16:01.02 | matthieu637 | no |
| 16:01.18 | abrotman | traceroute6 ? |
| 16:01.19 | jelly | colo-work: at least, it wasn't too hard to do on wheezy i386. -rw-r--r-- 1 jelly jelly 20281904 Dec 13 23:25 packages/sun-java6-jdk_6.30-1_i386.deb |
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| 16:02.22 | colo-work | jelly, to be completely honest with you, I'd actually prefer two things: x86_64, and no (packaging) work at all ;) |
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| 16:02.52 | jelly | x86_64 is a bit of a bitch, I hear |
| 16:03.08 | colo-work | hmmmm. |
| 16:03.29 | jelly | colo-work: you can always just unpack it somewhere and set JAVA_HOME and PATH |
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| 16:04.06 | matthieu637 | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/AjL46kbS traceroute & ping |
| 16:04.13 | colo-work | yeah, that'll be my last resort I'm afraid. |
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| 16:04.50 | abrotman | matthieu637: can the server ssh to itself ? |
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| 16:05.42 | ratatata | nu |
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| 16:06.21 | matthieu637 | abrotman: yes |
| 16:06.27 | abrotman | matthieu637: over ipv6 ? |
| 16:06.31 | abrotman | not localhost |
| 16:06.59 | matthieu637 | abrotman: ( it tell me permission desined publickey but it's normal ) |
| 16:07.05 | matthieu637 | abrotman: yep ssh -6 -p 12365 2a00:8380:174:5000:213:d4ff:fe7b:4b18 |
| 16:07.20 | matthieu637 | denied* |
| 16:07.25 | abrotman | matthieu637: awful goofy |
| 16:07.45 | abrotman | matthieu637: is there anotyher machine on the same LAN as the server you can try to ssh from ? |
| 16:07.55 | matthieu637 | no :/ |
| 16:08.05 | abrotman | nothing at all ?! |
| 16:08.09 | abrotman | not even a windows box? |
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| 16:08.31 | qxt | jelly OK its the time is fixed. Was kind of wondering, does Windows actually go into "my" bios and change the darn hw?? |
| 16:08.37 | matthieu637 | there is but i cant control it now |
| 16:08.53 | jelly | qxt: it does the same thing as hwclock --systohc |
| 16:09.00 | matthieu637 | i will try in few day |
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| 16:09.12 | qxt | jelly thx for the help/info |
| 16:09.12 | jelly | qxt: ie. sets the hardware clock using the known API |
| 16:10.00 | qxt | jelly I have never seen any OS that does not use UTC. Is there a reason why MS does that? Seems retarded. |
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| 16:10.33 | matthieu637 | abrotman: i think the problem is coming from the ruoter of my operator |
| 16:10.38 | matthieu637 | router* |
| 16:10.45 | mosno | qxt: you'd think that would have been fixed in NT |
| 16:10.45 | abrotman | totally possible |
| 16:10.48 | abrotman | though ping works ... |
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| 16:11.05 | mosno | qxt: ie. DOS you can sort of understand |
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| 16:11.31 | qxt | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.50 | qxt | that hdd was a Win7 |
| 16:11.52 | matthieu637 | abrotman: =/ |
| 16:12.02 | matthieu637 | abrotman: thank you for your help |
| 16:14.29 | matthieu637 | last thing |
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| 16:15.00 | matthieu637 | tcpdump return me that it got packets when i try a connect |
| 16:15.45 | qxt | mosno Just did a google about the MS problem. Can be fixed with [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\TimeZoneInformation] "RealTimeIsUniversal"=dword:00000001 |
| 16:15.46 | matthieu637 | abrotman: so it cannot come from my router? |
| 16:16.18 | mosno | notices that #debian is very Windowsy tonight |
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| 16:17.06 | mosno | qxt: nice to know |
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| 16:18.03 | qxt | mosno agreed. Had enough sorrow with that MS junk! |
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| 16:18.29 | abrotman | matthieu637: i didn't say that .. UDP does differ from TCP |
| 16:18.34 | mosno | qxt: yeah, too hard to grok imho |
| 16:18.46 | mosno | NT is a complex beast |
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| 16:18.50 | matthieu637 | ok |
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| 16:21.11 | ChrisH | I can push to Gnome 3 once more. I can use conftool-2 |
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| 16:23.02 | ChrisH | I can push to Gnome 3 once more. I can use conftool-2 to set /system/http_proxy/use_http_proxy and Co (/system/http_proxy/host and port). I can read these values, but I did not find any browser honoring that setting. I am getting used to Gnome 3 but this feature is missing. Not Office compatible. |
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| 16:27.47 | qxt | I had set up Xen to use IOMMU to passthru VGA as pci=['yy:zz.n'] on a GTX460. Worked darn well. Has anybody tried this with the internal GPU in a i7 2600? Don't care if I can't see Dom0 when I am in DomU. |
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| 16:28.35 | budmang | Any helpers in? got a old box that died... I have an LVM setup between to 80gb drives..(seperate mini drive for the os)... the raid will not work... I used a centos5.5 linux rescue... iant mount the drives( invalid magic number in raid table |
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| 16:32.09 | sdg | how can i check what zones and dns entrys there are on a dns server? |
| 16:32.22 | petemc | look at its config |
| 16:32.53 | sdg | petemc: its using mysql as backend. i would like to do it without having to query the db |
| 16:33.07 | sdg | to verify that its actually working :) |
| 16:33.50 | petemc | there are commands to check zones and conf etc, type named<tab><tab> |
| 16:33.51 | karlpinc | sdg: If you know the zones you can, if allowed, use dig to do a zone tranfer. |
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| 16:34.41 | sdg | karlpinc: i dont know the zones unfortunatly, but i guess i can login the sql server and check that |
| 16:35.02 | karlpinc | petemc: If it's using mysql as a backend can it really be running named? I didn't know it could do that. |
| 16:35.26 | michelem | where do I find the list of values allowable for "Required-Start" in init scripts? |
| 16:35.31 | petemc | karlpinc: i have no idea |
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| 16:36.50 | maxmoore | allo |
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| 16:36.55 | maxmoore | hello |
| 16:38.31 | karlpinc | michelem: It's an LSB (linux standards base) thing, so, if no where else, it should be documented on the lsb website. (Dunno where that is but surely it can be found via wikipedia/google.) |
| 16:38.58 | karlpinc | michelem: I swear I saw it somewhere in debian. Maybe the reference manual or debian-policy? |
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| 16:39.17 | michelem | can't find it in http://refspecs.linuxbase.org/LSB_3.1.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/tocsysinit.html . |
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| 16:39.54 | maarhart | hi, when I boot my computer says "unknown controller, you may experience problems". how can I fix this? what would be my starting point? |
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| 16:40.05 | karlpinc | michelem: Look in debian policy. |
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| 16:40.43 | michelem | there we go. /etc/insserv.conf |
| 16:40.47 | maarhart | and the other question: my computer fan makes a lot of noise every now and then. how can I limit its speed? |
| 16:41.33 | prodnix | maarhart: are you sure thats a wise thing to do? |
| 16:41.56 | petemc | dont use flash is one way |
| 16:42.05 | maarhart | third question: I use my android phone as a wifi router. debian detects many routers, but not my phone. why? |
| 16:42.16 | maarhart | prodnix: I don't know. |
| 16:42.17 | prodnix | maarhart: thats q-fan kickin up to counter the rise in cpu temp |
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| 16:42.39 | maarhart | okay, but it's really annoying, it wakes me up at night... |
| 16:42.58 | maarhart | prodnix: I guess I can suspend the system then |
| 16:43.08 | maarhart | prodnix: at night I mean |
| 16:43.08 | prodnix | maarhart: try cleanin your cooler so that it does more coolin on lower fan speeds |
| 16:43.24 | maarhart | prodnix: I think I'm too lazy to try that option |
| 16:43.47 | prodnix | maarhart: well then be ready to buy a new cpu when it frys tbh |
| 16:43.51 | maarhart | prodnix: anyway it's a crappy laptop. I could try limiting its fan speed. |
| 16:44.11 | maarhart | prodnix: I'm always ready to throw this thing to the trash |
| 16:44.34 | prodnix | maarhart: ok i see why thats not an option but in that case its even more important that your CPU stay cool s laptops have a much faster failure rate than desktops |
| 16:44.47 | prodnix | maarhart: ok lol |
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| 16:45.35 | maarhart | prodnix: okay, but I think this laptop is always noisy. it's not a dusty fan, I checked its reviews and it just makes this noise always... |
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| 16:46.46 | prodnix | maarhart: ok, I have never used any fan software on linux so i cant really help you there, just wanted to make sure u were aware of the problems you could cause by messing around with the cpu fan |
| 16:48.27 | maarhart | prodnix: okay, thanks anyway |
| 16:48.38 | prodnix | : your welcome |
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| 16:50.17 | prodnix | maarhart: q-fan is a function of bios, maybe you could check in your bios to see if qfan is adjustable |
| 16:50.47 | prodnix | sometime it is sometimes not. depends on quality most of the time |
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| 16:54.26 | Maxou56800 | yo |
| 16:54.33 | ratatata | wazup |
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| 16:57.20 | NapHtaKeRoSene | hi |
| 16:57.21 | NapHtaKeRoSene | should i keep int insquare_p(point2d p, point2d p1, point2d p2), or just consider int insquare(point2d p, rect2d rect) ? |
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| 16:57.34 | themill | What do we have in debian that would be able to read a matlab binary file? ("Matlab v5 mat-file (little endian) version 0x0100") |
| 16:58.08 | iateadonut | is htaccess compromised easily? |
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| 17:01.35 | nkuttler | ianpreston: hm? if somebody can write that file you have bigger things to worry about.. |
| 17:02.02 | nkuttler | ianpreston: if you worry about that just disable it |
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| 17:11.07 | Chowzzf | Is there a way to autocomplete in screen? Say for when you're switching to a window name with (Ctrl-A, A) and type a partial window name |
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| 17:12.08 | Chowzzf | Sorry command: (Ctrl-A, ') to enter switch mode |
| 17:12.14 | Mephisto | yet another weird issue. Where the hell are audacious settings? |
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| 17:12.35 | Mephisto | now every time i launch it it appears ALWAYS in upper left corner with playlist right next to it |
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| 17:12.52 | Mephisto | how to delete that setting? I've already purged it once, then installed again - same thing. |
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| 17:13.36 | Mephisto | http://89.28.122.14:8080/Screenshot.png |
| 17:13.42 | Chowzzf | Chowzff: Found it with random typing: Press (Ctrl-j) to autocomplete and submit in screen |
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| 17:14.10 | Mephisto | damn... something weird is going on.. |
| 17:14.16 | Mephisto | task bar, panel dissappeard... |
| 17:14.20 | Mephisto | that's sick.. |
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| 17:14.49 | Mephisto | guess i have to restore everything from image once again.. |
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| 17:25.02 | dr_traktor | I always get 'You have mail warning' but I can't start 'mail' because it says 'No space left on device' |
| 17:25.12 | dr_traktor | any way to get around this or get rid of this? |
| 17:25.46 | dr_traktor | According to df -h I have 1.7G available space (19%) |
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| 17:26.18 | chaospsychex | hi |
| 17:26.59 | mutante | dr_traktor: does it maybe use another device for the mail? (like sometimes it is recommended to use tmpfs for performance) |
| 17:27.25 | dr_traktor | mutante, no. Well I just deleted the whole /var/mail/username file. |
| 17:27.41 | chaospsychex | i have a laptop with a pentium 3 cpu, 256MB of ram and 40GB hdd. it has not optical drive and can't boot from USB. I want to try to launch the install img from a partition on the hdd using grub. which version of debian should i use to attempt this? |
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| 17:28.08 | chaospsychex | is there a fluxbox version of debian ? |
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| 17:28.28 | mutante | chaospsychex: is the harddisk empty or has it another os (windows?) |
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| 17:28.58 | chaospsychex | mutante: has win xp on a partition. i have another partition that is 1gb for install img |
| 17:29.04 | mutante | chaospsychex: because if you can still boot windows, you can use debian.exe to start the installer, then reboot..and it continues |
| 17:29.21 | mutante | chaospsychex: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
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| 17:29.43 | chaospsychex | mutante: ahhh. which version of debian would you reccomend for a pentium 3, 256mb ram ? |
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| 17:30.38 | mutante | chaospsychex: for a laptop i would personally use wheezy (testing) |
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| 17:31.04 | chaospsychex | mutante: will the program at that link you provided allow me to select that version to install ? |
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| 17:31.58 | babilen | chaospsychex: There is no special fluxbox "version" of Debian, but you can easily install fluxbox if you want to with "apt-get install fluxbox" -- I wouldn't necessarily install the "Desktop" task during the initial installation, but only the standard one and proceed with "/msg dpkg install x" and "apt-get install fluxbox" -- you might want to install a login manager such as gdm3 though or use startx (which requires you to have "exec ... |
| 17:32.04 | mutante | chaospsychex: if it doesnt, and gives you stable, you can always upgrade later. first just care to install base system only, then once you have that on disk, you can decide to install more and/or upgrade |
| 17:32.05 | babilen | ... ck-launch-session dbus-launch startfluxbox" in ~/.xsession |
| 17:32.07 | zach23 | why are there a bunch of jfsIO and jfsCommit processes on my Squeeze server? |
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| 17:32.19 | chaospsychex | ok cool |
| 17:33.13 | babilen | chaospsychex: Furthermore I wouldn't recommend to run testing (wheezy) because it is a moving target and you might frequently run into problems you cannot solve yet. |
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| 17:33.27 | chaospsychex | ok |
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| 17:34.10 | mutante | chaospsychex: he is right, i just said that because personally i want to have more recent versions on a laptop (as opposed to a server) for multimedia stuff.. and i like to test a new gnome.. i expect it might break and wont get support though.. |
| 17:34.31 | mutante | chaospsychex: that said..it works for me better than "testing" might sound |
| 17:34.40 | chaospsychex | mutante: yeah |
| 17:34.59 | Cain | I used ReiserFS on a server since 4 years now without problems, i'm installing a new box and i read that reiserfs is not developped/maintained anymore, should i use ext3 or ext4 is a better choice ? |
| 17:35.00 | babilen | mutante: Well, we will help you with problems (primarily in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net) but it is expected that you know Debian fairly well |
| 17:35.35 | zach23 | Cain: for databases, I use xfs |
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| 17:36.09 | Cain | zach23 : it's a kind all-in-one server (webserver/fileserver/virtualmachines/db...) |
| 17:36.12 | mutante | babilen: k, cool, wasnt aware of the -next channel |
| 17:36.22 | jkyle | I'm attempting to run a late command in my pxe seed file, this was my first attempt but it fails. |
| 17:36.27 | jkyle | d-i preseed/late_command string wget http://build-host/late_command.bash && chmod +x late_command.bash && ./late_command.bash |
| 17:36.34 | Cain | zach23 : with a 2TB harddrive |
| 17:36.43 | jkyle | basically, I want to download that script, then run it. pretty simple. But the docs are kind of thin in this area |
| 17:36.45 | zach23 | Cain: probably ext4 |
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| 17:37.47 | magn0z_ | hey. installed a minimal debian, and added xorg and network-manager. regular ethernet connections are fine, but no wireless networks show up. anyone know what package i need to install to get wireless networks showing in nm-applet/network-manager? |
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| 17:38.44 | chaospsychex | what is your thoughts on the most popular variant of debian....ubuntu ? |
| 17:38.56 | nanobyte | wants for the chaos to ensue |
| 17:39.00 | nanobyte | *waits |
| 17:39.02 | nanobyte | hehe |
| 17:39.07 | daemonkeeper | off topic anyway |
| 17:39.07 | magn0z_ | chaospsychex, ubuntu is Ok |
| 17:39.29 | Cain | zach23 : okey, having a lot of partitions (/ /home /var/log.... ) is better or it doesn't matter since i have one physical hard drive ? |
| 17:39.38 | mutante | chaospsychex: it was nice of Shuttleworth to put his money into sending out free CDs (in the beginning) |
| 17:39.57 | chaospsychex | yeah |
| 17:39.59 | zach23 | Cain: it's best to split up - I typically put /, /home, /usr/local, /var and /boot |
| 17:40.30 | nanobyte | I like the fact Debian only has major releases every few years, while still releasing security patches |
| 17:40.34 | Cain | zach23 : ok, thx :) |
| 17:40.35 | nanobyte | best of both worlds |
| 17:41.12 | mutante | chaospsychex: being on Debian testing i feel like i am very close to Ubuntu anyways..minus the stuff i dont really miss.. like Ubuntu One / cloud stuff.. etc |
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| 17:41.54 | nvictor | hola all |
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| 17:41.59 | mutante | chaospsychex: but sure..it's made specifically for beginners..some things are more GUI oriented..like installing software.. |
| 17:42.00 | chaospsychex | will this (what i am installing from the URL provided) use less resources than XP ? |
| 17:42.03 | nanobyte | Hello :) |
| 17:42.04 | nvictor | how do i find out the version of ubuntu i am running? |
| 17:42.10 | nvictor | :> |
| 17:42.31 | nanobyte | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckingYourUbuntuVersion |
| 17:42.35 | themill | nvictor: #ubuntu would know |
| 17:42.42 | nvictor | haha |
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| 17:42.44 | chaospsychex | :-) |
| 17:42.46 | nvictor | ah come on guys |
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| 17:42.51 | nvictor | i like teasing you guys :) |
| 17:42.58 | mutante | nvictor: try: lsb_release -dc |
| 17:43.15 | babilen | nvictor: Please don't -- It is very much preferred to keep it on-topic in here. |
| 17:43.30 | nvictor | i know i know |
| 17:43.41 | nvictor | it's always fun :) |
| 17:43.42 | babilen | Then please act accordingly |
| 17:44.29 | nvictor | yes sir |
| 17:44.40 | amt0101 | Hello debian folks, I'm running debian 6.0.3 amd64 on a laptop and have a huge issue with my fan. Every time I power on my laptop, the fans spin like in a datacenter at full potential. |
| 17:45.21 | amt0101 | Is there a way to make my fan more responsive? |
| 17:45.40 | nanobyte | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_control_fan_speed |
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| 17:45.54 | nanobyte | looks like /proc/acpi/ibm/fan |
| 17:45.56 | Mr_Queue | ^^^ Works great on my ThinkPad. |
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| 17:46.22 | Mr_Queue | I shut the fan off and leave it at 1.2GHz and works great. |
| 17:46.32 | amt0101 | nanobyte, it works also for a dell inspiron? |
| 17:47.19 | babilen | I would guess that amt0101 does not have a thinkpad as the BIOS in recent versions takes care of regulating the fan speed pretty well. I would recommend to look into fancontrol if the BIOS does not handle it to your liking. |
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| 17:47.32 | babilen | s/versions/models/ |
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| 17:48.28 | nanobyte | babilen's advice sounds like a good start, you can take a look to see if proc/acpi/ibm/fan exists or maybe proc/acpi/something relative to dell/fan |
| 17:48.56 | nanobyte | http://www.diefer.de/i8kfan/ |
| 17:49.00 | nanobyte | That's for dell |
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| 17:49.16 | amt0101 | nanobyte, THe thing is that I have installed i8kfan...but don't know how to start it or modify it... |
| 17:49.26 | amt0101 | nanobyte, I just switched from Ubuntu to debian |
| 17:49.56 | Mr_Queue | amt0101: It must have come with some doc's. |
| 17:50.03 | amt0101 | nanobyte, I even checked the man pages for i8kfan but didn't helped me |
| 17:50.18 | babilen | amt0101: Or actually: I don't have much experience with Dell Inspiron's, but it seems as if making sure that the "i8k" module is loaded (modprobe i8k) by adding it to /etc/modules if it is not automatically done might do the trick. (lsmod|grep i8k) -- You should also look into i8kutils -- There are plenty of hits on google for "dell inspiron fan debian" so you might want to read a little yourself. |
| 17:50.33 | nanobyte | http://dellfand.dinglisch.net/ may help |
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| 17:51.10 | babilen | amt0101: I am unable to find information on that i8kfan package you mentioned btw |
| 17:51.19 | Mr_Queue | I had to read the docs for the module source in the kernel to get started with it all a few years ago. |
| 17:51.23 | nanobyte | "I recommend you always restart your laptop if you terminate dellfand because otherwise the BIOS may not take over fan regulation again and the laptop may then overheat." well that doesn't sound very good :( |
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| 17:52.53 | babilen | Hmm, looks as if i8kutils is orphaned :-/ |
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| 17:53.27 | nanobyte | Yeah but that's what lead to me dellfand |
| 17:53.30 | babilen | amt0101: So, is the i8k module loaded? |
| 17:53.54 | babilen | nanobyte: Has that been packaged yet? |
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| 17:54.33 | nanobyte | Doesn't appear so, but has source http://dellfand.dinglisch.net/dellfand-0.9.tar.bz2 |
| 17:54.38 | dokma | shouldn't ssh -i identity_file.pub user@host 'command to run' |
| 17:54.38 | amt0101 | babilen, modprobe i8k doesn't return nothing |
| 17:54.42 | dokma | be possible without password??? |
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| 17:54.52 | nanobyte | http://dellfand.dinglisch.net/#download |
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| 17:55.32 | nanobyte | Shame speedfan hasn't made a linux version yet, you'd be good to go |
| 17:55.45 | babilen | amt0101: That is expected -- You would have checked with "lsmod|grep i8k" -- But look into dellfand as it seems that nanobyte and I read the same thread :) |
| 17:56.26 | babilen | But dellfand is pretty old and looks unmaintained -- not sure if there aren't better tools. |
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| 17:56.59 | babilen | That might, however, also mean that it just works and that changes are not necessary. |
| 17:57.02 | Mr_Queue | babilen: I would google a LKML archive for what you are after and then look there. |
| 17:57.21 | Mr_Queue | babilen: That was for amt0101. |
| 17:57.55 | babilen | sure |
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| 17:58.16 | amt0101 | Also, if I leave it as it is now, running at full speed all the time, will there be any side effects? |
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| 17:58.47 | babilen | Well, I would make sure that i8k is loaded automagically (if not → add it to /etc/modules) and test some of the fan-control daemons that seem to be out there if the module doesn't take care of that already. |
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| 17:59.11 | babilen | amt0101: Well, it certainly is better to have the fan running at full speed than overheating your laptop. |
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| 18:00.33 | amt0101 | babilen, Sorry, i forgot to give you the output of lsmod|grep i8k : i8k 3901 0 |
| 18:01.22 | amt0101 | babilen, How do I add i8k to /etc/modules....by using nano? |
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| 18:01.55 | bolt | amt0101: you add something there using any method of editing a text file you find convenient |
| 18:02.36 | babilen | amt0101: yes, that output is not surprising as you just loaded the module manually (modprobe i8k) -- The important test is if it loaded automatically during the boot. You should only add it to /etc/modules (yes, you can use nano) if it is *not* loaded automagically. |
| 18:03.34 | amt0101 | babilen, Well I added i8k, I will restart the machine...be right back |
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| 18:07.02 | amt0101 | babilen, When I restarted the machine, while loading, it said: warning...i8kbuttons and i8kfan disabled... |
| 18:07.20 | babilen | amt0101: Ok -- Google for that :) |
| 18:07.26 | mes_ | is there somewhere else besides http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/ that change logs are stored? |
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| 18:08.30 | mes_ | I have two problem packages installed, and neither has current listings there |
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| 18:15.07 | soomsoom | netanel: sup man? |
| 18:15.29 | magn0z_ | is it difficult to prepare a USB live stick that will boot a small debian system, with a number of preinstalled packages? (essentially, create a debian-based Live distro) |
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| 18:17.42 | babilen | amt0101: I would furthermore recommend to install i8kutils and read /usr/share/doc/i8ktuils/README* and take a look at the examples for i8kmon.conf -- Also check dmesg (dmesg|tail -n23) after loading the module (modprobe -r i8k ; modprove i8k ; dmesg|tail -n23) for error messages. |
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| 18:19.16 | babilen | magn0z_: http://live.debian.net/manual/html/index.en.html discusses this to a certain extent -- You might also want to ask in #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
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| 18:21.46 | magn0z_ | great, thanks |
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| 18:24.06 | Sevet_ | magn0z: also look at preseeding |
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| 18:26.13 | mes_ | h'm does anyone know which package is responsible for the text login prompt, the new version issues a clear first and removes all boot up messages |
| 18:26.44 | mes_ | is it console-common? |
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| 18:28.00 | jordanm | mes_: /bin/login is the prompt |
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| 18:30.22 | mes_ | jordanm, thanks, that belongs to login and login was not changed the last upgrade, so must be something else. |
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| 18:32.15 | ska | Is it better to use UDEV to (fake-auto) mount a usb drive than to Autofs? |
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| 18:38.00 | ska | Or I can use a script to search for UUID's and then mount them if it sees it. |
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| 18:41.39 | mes_ | jordanm, I think it is actually /sbin/getty, part of util-linux |
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| 18:43.58 | delvalle26 | I'm going to put debian on an eepc from '08 |
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| 18:44.11 | delvalle26 | I'd like to know if there is a nice how-to on doing a full on encryption and secure debian |
| 18:44.19 | delvalle26 | i.e. if someone steals the netbook, or it's lost, I need not worry |
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| 18:44.29 | delvalle26 | Any recommended blog post / tutorials? |
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| 18:49.22 | gnz11 | you'd be better off encrypting the data |
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| 18:49.41 | hanasaki | what is the command - in a bash cmd prompt- to select the locales that are built into the kernel? |
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| 18:50.33 | delvalle26 | gnz11: Right, I was thinking of everything being encrypted |
| 18:50.43 | delvalle26 | it's not something I've done before (encrypting volumes etc.) |
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| 18:52.33 | gnz11 | i haven't done it myself, but if you have issues with an encrypted drive then it can be hard to recover anything |
| 18:53.02 | gnz11 | but for casual users encrypted data will do most of what you want |
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| 18:53.38 | delvalle26 | No worries, everything important is backed up anyway |
| 18:53.50 | delvalle26 | and I've been wanting to stick some of my configs up on something like bitbucket or github |
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| 18:57.45 | hanasaki | should "dpkg-reconfigure locales" bring up a menu to select the locales? it is just regenerating the current set |
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| 19:00.14 | dvs | hanasaki: it brings up a list for me |
| 19:01.05 | hanasaki | dvs: thanks.. I recall there was some option to set the level of dialogs... |
| 19:01.22 | dvs | dunno about that |
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| 19:01.50 | hanasaki | running squeeze |
| 19:02.09 | hanasaki | hmmm |
| 19:02.24 | dvs | hanasaki: maybe you need the libcurses5-dev package. |
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| 19:04.08 | ukl | hello #debian. Someone please correct me: is it impossible to download "free" e-books from amazon with _only a browser_ (i.e., no windows tool, no kindle, ...) |
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| 19:04.20 | hanasaki | dvs: wouldn't that come in as a depend? |
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| 19:06.24 | dvs | hanasaki: apparemtly not |
| 19:07.03 | hanasaki | thought it was tied to dpkg-reconfigure debconf but that didn't fix it |
| 19:07.14 | hanasaki | dvs: other reconfigs show dialogs fine |
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| 19:08.13 | dvs | hmmm... strange. |
| 19:08.17 | hanasaki | yup |
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| 19:08.58 | ukmnh | i'm trying to bulid a 32-bit C program on 64-bit unstable with gcc -m32, i get "cannot find crt1.o" |
| 19:09.01 | ukmnh | http://paste.debian.net/152051/ |
| 19:09.07 | ukmnh | ia32-libs is installed |
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| 19:10.07 | hanasaki | I tried it on a fresh install of a server and the dialog comes up... just the two boxes are an issue.. one squeeze from an upgrade and one buntu |
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| 19:16.47 | RichardHebert | ukmnh: have you looked here : http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=crt1.o&mode=exactfilename&suite=stable&arch=any |
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| 19:18.06 | dxtr | !pciid |
| 19:18.07 | dpkg | The PCI ID helps us work out how to support your PCI hardware. It looks like [abcd:1234] in the output of "lspci -nn". Ask the bot "judd" to match the PCI ID of the device, e.g. "/msg judd pciid 8086:284b". Some hardware uses alternate means of detection: beware of some false positives+negatives. See also <judd-hardware>, <local pciid>. To find out what currently installed kernel modules your hardware is using, run "lspci -k". |
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| 19:20.26 | ukmnh | RichardHebert: found the right package there, libc6-dev-i386. thanks. |
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| 19:28.29 | ghostlines | I'm having an issue with Debian Wheezy, when running the modprobe ipv6 command, error = module not found. Or when I run ifconfig sit0 inet6 ::xxx.xxx?. I get this error SIOCSIFDSTADDR: No buffer space available. Anyone know what may be causing this? |
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| 19:29.15 | Dagger2 | wheezy has ipv6 compiled in, rather than as a module |
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| 19:29.52 | Dagger2 | (you can confirm it's working by doing `ifconfig` and checking for inet6 addresses) |
| 19:29.59 | ZinovaS | squeeze freezes from time to time with messages in kernel.log http://paste.debian.net/152054/ |
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| 19:30.13 | ZinovaS | I think its hardware related |
| 19:30.18 | ghostlines | Dagger2, ahh it was compiled in then |
| 19:30.24 | OsteHovel | Chaospsychex: then i guess you need to boot into rescue or take out the harddrive manualy or maybe just reinstall debian |
| 19:30.34 | ZinovaS | but not sure what hardware... |
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| 19:31.10 | chaospsychex | how do i boot into rescue? |
| 19:31.32 | jhutchins_wk | Can you choose not to allow root logins on the Debian installer? I thought it made you set a root password. |
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| 19:31.41 | Dagger2 | I have no idea about the second error (typical obtuse error message from the network config tools...), but a) ::xxx.xxx definitely isn't in the right format b) sit0 is somehow magical, I'm not sure you can use it directly |
| 19:31.50 | OsteHovel | Select rescue on the boot menu |
| 19:31.51 | jhutchins_wk | chaospsychex: Find someone who _is_ in the sudoers file? |
| 19:31.56 | chaospsychex | I have root access in tty2 |
| 19:31.59 | Dagger2 | and c) stop using ifconfig to set network settings -.- |
| 19:32.06 | OsteHovel | Then just use tty2 then |
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| 19:32.10 | chaospsychex | whats the path to the sudoers file? |
| 19:32.23 | OsteHovel | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.24 | jhutchins_wk | chaospsychex: Well then, andd yourself with visudo or useradd +G |
| 19:32.31 | jhutchins_wk | chaospsychex: THe latter is the preferred method. |
| 19:32.44 | chaospsychex | useradd +G ? |
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| 19:33.02 | jhutchins_wk | Yes, add yourself to the sudo group which should be preconfigured. |
| 19:33.24 | chaospsychex | k |
| 19:33.45 | cHarNe2 | hi guys, i can see what im typing when i connect to my server. but it executes the commands i type. |
| 19:33.51 | cHarNe2 | what could that be? |
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| 19:34.53 | chaospsychex | what's the syntax? |
| 19:35.04 | chaospsychex | useradd +G zane ? |
| 19:35.05 | ghostlines | Dagger2, thanks! in my first attempt I set it in /etc/network/interfaces and then when I run ifup 6in4 I still get the same "No buffer space is available" error |
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| 19:36.01 | xseller | Hello, i need help with a regular expresion |
| 19:36.07 | cHarNe2 | it is a fresh install |
| 19:36.16 | cHarNe2 | xseller: sure |
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| 19:36.50 | ghostlines | Dagger2, this guy seems to have the same issue I'll check this link out thanks for your help :) http://bryars.eu/2010/07/debian-ipv6-configuration-and-lessons-learned/ |
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| 19:37.04 | chaospsychex | useradd zane +G and useradd +G zane aren't working |
| 19:37.45 | xseller | I have this string, host-com-ar.1.com.ar and need only first string until the dot |
| 19:38.06 | jhutchins_wk | ghostlines: Are you aware that a lot of consumer/small business grade routers that are supposed to support ipv6 don't? |
| 19:38.10 | xseller | host-com-ar and change the - per . |
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| 19:38.14 | xseller | host.com.ar |
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| 19:39.24 | cHarNe2 | xseller: only a-z and "-" in the first section? |
| 19:39.35 | Dagger2 | ghostlines: ah, if you're doing 6to4, here's what I use: https://p.6core.net/p/u6ttv6bu3dumitn9 |
| 19:40.03 | chaospsychex | can someone tell me the syntax to add user zane to the sudoers file? |
| 19:40.16 | jhutchins_wk | chaospsychex: Check the manpage for syntax |
| 19:40.22 | jhutchins_wk | chaospsychex: I allways mess it up, sorry. |
| 19:40.28 | Dagger2 | ghostlines: (the "ttl 128" is pretty important; without that traceroutes go wonky, because of some braindead default of inheriting the ttl on the outer tunnel packets from the inner packet) |
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| 19:41.00 | chaospsychex | k |
| 19:41.21 | cHarNe2 | xseller: ^([a-z\-]*) could work |
| 19:41.54 | Tramp | # v="host-com-ar.1.com.ar"; v=${v%%.*}; echo "${v//-/.}" |
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| 19:42.22 | Tramp | xseller: ^^ |
| 19:42.26 | Dagger2 | jhutchins_wk: although true, that's probably not very relevant to him |
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| 19:43.14 | xseller | Tramp, I need resolve this with regular expresion olny, |
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| 19:43.58 | jhutchins_wk | chaospsychex: It's better to check the manpage for useradd and get the right syntax. Adding users to groups and groups to sudoers is the preferred method, or use visudo to verify your syntax on save. |
| 19:44.08 | jhutchins_wk | s/or/and |
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| 19:47.01 | xseller | cHarNe2, I have this ^([^\.]+) that separate host-com-ar of 1.com.ar -> whit this result host-com-ar, -> next step is change the - per . -> host.com.ar (sorry for my english and thanks for you time) |
| 19:47.19 | Tramp | v="host-com-ar.1.com.ar"; v=$(sed 's/\..*//' <<<"$v"); echo "$(sed 's/-/./g' <<<$v)" -- there you go |
| 19:48.18 | Tramp | xseller: you can't "resolve it with regular expressions only" since regular expressions don't modify stuff. Tools modify stuff |
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| 19:48.39 | ghostlines | Dagger2, thanks will certainly check that out! |
| 19:49.16 | xseller | Tramp, that is the answer i wanted to hear |
| 19:49.23 | ghostlines | jhutchins, my router doesn't support ipv6 that's why I want to tunnel it |
| 19:49.42 | Tramp | yw then |
| 19:49.48 | jhutchins_wk | ghostlines: Ah, I see. |
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| 19:50.25 | xseller | Tramp, is a problem, because i need this for a rewrite rule to server nginx |
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| 19:50.47 | dondelelcaro | xseller: rewrite rules aren't just regexes. |
| 19:50.53 | dondelelcaro | xseller: they have a replacement component too. |
| 19:51.08 | Tramp | xseller: yeah, well, I have no idea what this tool does or what syntax it expects or how it interprets expressions then |
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| 19:51.54 | xseller | Tramp, thanks anyway :) |
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| 19:57.30 | xseller | dondelelcaro, ok i'm undestand... you say... extract the first part with a regular expresión, and then through lines of code replace the - for ., is correct this? |
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| 19:58.01 | dondelelcaro | xseller: or whatever works; I don't use ngix. |
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| 19:58.41 | xseller | dondelelcaro, ok.. perfect, thank you... |
| 19:58.54 | xseller | Tramp, cHarNe2 thank you for your time |
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| 20:30.30 | Coudy | hi, I have SB Live 5+1 connected trought optical to my home theater system , with analog and test I can hear all front and reart repros, but during optical I can hear only front repros, no rear , no center, no subwoffer |
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| 20:31.07 | Coudy | I'm, on debian testing, and I have changed default-sample-channels = 6 in /etc/pulse/default.pa |
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| 20:54.18 | thewanderer1 | my server has rebooted at 19:31 tonight. there is no information in /var/log/messages. I tried looking in the IPMI log, but to no avail. where else would I look? |
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| 20:54.54 | thewanderer1 | (it's somewhat unfortunate that boots/shutdowns are not logged, no?) |
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| 20:56.48 | anima | thewanderer1: im amazed you got any ipmi info at all |
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| 20:57.39 | thewanderer1 | `ipmitool sel list` only returns old entries, nothing from 2012... |
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| 21:07.07 | Vasistha | I am curious to know, how is progress on wheezy? |
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| 21:11.01 | Vasistha | hmm, looks like june 2012 is the freeze target |
| 21:11.02 | technologov | Vasistha, from the reading on it.. not bad |
| 21:11.23 | technologov | I'd expect a Debian 7 release in Q1 2013. |
| 21:11.39 | Vasistha | another major version number bump huh? |
| 21:11.47 | daemonkeeper | 7.0, yes. |
| 21:11.50 | loop | has anyone involved in debian been working on acpi support? |
| 21:12.50 | thewanderer1 | loop, what do you mean? Debian supports ACPI... |
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| 21:13.05 | pt2091_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.12 | daemonkeeper | You mean /part |
| 21:13.12 | thewanderer1 | it's "/part" |
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| 21:22.12 | Vasistha | ls |
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| 21:28.03 | thewanderer1 | is there a way to see the time of a few last reboots? |
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| 21:28.46 | thewanderer1 | `last` only returns one reboot |
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| 21:29.45 | thewanderer1 | aha! /var/log/wtmp.1 |
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| 21:30.15 | thewanderer1 | (still didn't help me to troubleshoot my spontaneous server shutdown issue, but it's a nice thing to know) |
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| 21:37.28 | thewanderer1 | now I've got a VFAT pendrive mounted. I've removed all files from it, yet still, df -h shows 200M in use. O.o |
| 21:38.54 | coreyf1513 | thewanderer1: hidden files: ls -a |
| 21:39.35 | thewanderer1 | coreyf1513, I know about those - checked that obviously and removed a huge 600MB .Trash directory (stupid GNOME). Still, 200MB is missing. |
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| 21:42.30 | coreyf1513 | thewanderer1, not sure then. try formatting it? pendrives can only do so many read/write cycles maybe it is marking overused sectors as bad? |
| 21:42.45 | qwd | Is there a way to see if a laptop has two 512mb ram or one 1gb? Without opening it. |
| 21:42.59 | thewanderer1 | qwd, dmidecode |
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| 21:44.12 | qwd | thewanderer1: thanks! |
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| 21:45.58 | thewanderer1 | coreyf1513, I can't imagine how a VFAT master block would be affected by media use... hell, I doubt this cheap device even knows which sectors are used O.o |
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| 21:51.27 | thewanderer1 | wtf missing space on VFAT :P |
| 21:51.38 | valdyn | thewanderer1: open files? |
| 21:51.47 | thewanderer1 | nope, I umounted it and mounted |
| 21:51.50 | coreyf1513 | thewanderer1, how many files existed on the VFAT before you cleared it? |
| 21:52.08 | thewanderer1 | not many, hmm, should I count the lines from rm -rv ? |
| 21:52.36 | thewanderer1 | 173 inodes |
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| 21:53.17 | thewanderer1 | df -i on the pendrive displays zero inode count - I think vfat might not use them (?) |
| 21:53.56 | thewanderer1 | I can mkfs, but I'm interested in why this is happening at all |
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| 21:56.16 | coreyf1513 | on windows one time I ran into an issue I had to reformat a drive to clean up some filesystem table (part of the filesystem/not in a file). it was because I had extracted some huge source packages with hundreds of thousands of files, and some filesystem table that never shrinks was using gigs of data |
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| 21:57.46 | thewanderer1 | aha! fsck.vfat -a /dev/sdb has fixed it! |
| 21:57.49 | TimmyT | im going to erase whole of my hdd and install a debian on the entire disk.which type of partiton table is the best? |
| 21:58.19 | thewanderer1 | TimmyT, there is no "best". MBR is the most popular, but you could try GPT - works for me. |
| 21:59.11 | thewanderer1 | coreyf1513, thanks. apparently, the FAT was dirty... :P |
| 21:59.18 | coreyf1513 | i don't know what vfat has, in NTFS I ran into an issue once where the master file table would never shrink |
| 21:59.38 | TimmyT | thewanderer1 ive tried to find a comparision between them,but i got nothin so i asked this question |
| 22:00.09 | thewanderer1 | TimmyT, it's not like you're choosing a car engine. pick something that works. |
| 22:00.14 | coreyf1513 | so MFT was always the size needed for the maximum file count ever stored.. |
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| 22:00.36 | thewanderer1 | coreyf1513, yeah, that's New Technology... :) |
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| 22:15.28 | Vasistha | so I have some .deb packages here which I would like to install. Well, some of them, maybe not all. Is there a way to find out what dependencies they have that are unsatisfied? |
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| 22:16.28 | Vasistha | another nice thing would be to instruct apt to pull whatever dependencies these .debs ask for, which are available via the repos |
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| 22:22.01 | phogg | Vasistha: try dpkg -f /your_deb Depends | sed -e 's/([^)]*),*//g' |
| 22:22.38 | phogg | Vasistha: this can be trivially wrapped in a call to aptitude: aptitude install $(dpkg -f whatever.deb Depends | sed -e 's/([^)]*),*//g') |
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| 22:22.48 | classical_ | hello everyone :) |
| 22:22.58 | technologov | hi |
| 22:23.09 | classical_ | Is it possible to create partition without FS ? |
| 22:23.17 | technologov | y |
| 22:23.28 | technologov | using "cfdisk" |
| 22:24.04 | classical_ | does it support GPT? |
| 22:24.13 | classical_ | coz i get error |
| 22:24.14 | classical_ | Warning!! Unsupported GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected. Use GNU Parted. |
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| 22:25.59 | Vasistha | phogg: thank you for the tip!! |
| 22:27.54 | thewanderer1 | classical_, then do what the message says... and partitions are by default without filesystems. |
| 22:29.20 | technologov | use GParted for GPT disks; cfdisk is for MBR disks |
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| 22:33.15 | classical_ | technologov, so should i choose unformatted as file system in Gpated ? |
| 22:33.58 | technologov | y |
| 22:34.11 | technologov | (i think so.. I don't use GParted much...) |
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| 22:48.49 | avernos | aptitude is installing some dependencies ending with {a} what is that mean ? |
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| 22:49.22 | themill | avernos: automatically installeed |
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| 22:50.27 | avernos | themill, thanks :) |
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| 23:12.07 | simonlnu | streuner: ECHAN ;) |
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| 23:45.09 | cheako | Hello, is there a tool to auto resize an image to a given byte range? ALA 2-pass video encoding? |
| 23:45.38 | cheako | I know I can decrease the resolution and I can also up the lossy-compression. |
| 23:46.17 | cheako | I'd like a tool that can detect the optimum combination of both that would produce the target size. |
| 23:47.14 | cheako | ..after I've clipped the image to include just the content. |
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| 23:50.09 | jhutchins_lt | cheako: imagemagick |
| 23:50.46 | themill | jhutchins_lt: you might like to suggest exactly how |
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| 23:51.32 | cheako | jhutchins_lt: Got an example command line? I'm looking for something that dosn't need much interaction from the user, done after just supplying the target images and the target size. |
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| 23:52.08 | jhutchins_lt | themill: The options and possiblities of the imagemagick toolset are really extensive, but if an operation can be done on an image it can be done using imagemagick. The exact details are somethng you have to work out by researching the tools within the package, as the exact specifics of what you want to do are unique to your own case. |
| 23:52.09 | cheako | Ohh, yes. We are confident that imagemagick can do it ;) |
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| 23:52.29 | themill | jhutchins_lt: so you're making it up as you go along... |
| 23:52.44 | jhutchins_lt | Whatever. |
| 23:53.12 | cheako | There _is_ a method to do this automatically, for video. Just not for images, AFAIK? |
| 23:53.28 | cheako | hmm, well I guess that's not true is it. |
| 23:54.00 | themill | cheako: it's an ill-posed problem given that you're allowing both resolution and quality to change. |
| 23:54.15 | cheako | For video the size is a constant, so not exactly what I'm, looking for. |
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| 23:54.37 | Tramp | jpeg:extent=value maybe , says Google |
| 23:56.12 | cheako | themill: Yeah, however when an image quality is such that only 1/4 or 1/9th of the original image is preserved then it might was well half or 1/3rd the resolution instead and then start the quality change over. |
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| 23:57.21 | K4M5Y5 | Hej |
| 23:57.58 | K4M5Y5 | Kto¶ to czyta? |
| 23:59.09 | abrotman | english |
| 23:59.14 | cheako | So I guess the solution would indeed be an advanced quality tool that can feed back into a resizing tool. |
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