| 00:00.06 | simonlnu | i know what they do... i prefer $() |
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| 00:01.15 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:02.24 | simonlnu | Aim_Here: i've been using debian since 2002, and spent a lot of that learning CLI, so thanks for the help but i don't need it ;) |
| 00:02.57 | Aim_Here | Well if you're going to ask, then someone's in danger of just telling you the answer |
| 00:04.11 | sedulous | How can I install proftpd and pure-ftpd at the same time? |
| 00:04.23 | simonlnu | um, i wasn't. it was rhetorical, i had put in a tongue-in-cheek on top of that >> ":P" |
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| 00:04.35 | simonlnu | sedulous: o_O |
| 00:04.46 | sedulous | simonlnu: Is my question confusing? |
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| 00:05.36 | simonlnu | no, just wondering why you'd do that |
| 00:07.15 | sedulous | simonlnu: pure-ftpd is already in place and in use. Now a few user accounts need certain features that are only provided by proftpd. The packages conflict with each other and I wonder why. |
| 00:07.59 | simonlnu | well, for starters, they use the same ports by default ;). |
| 00:08.07 | IRConan | that shouldn't cause them to block |
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| 00:08.14 | simonlnu | like trying to have postfix and exim at the same time |
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| 00:08.19 | IRConan | lighttpd and apache use the same ports but they can co-exist |
| 00:08.26 | sedulous | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=398821 ('#398821 - Pure-ftpd : unnecessary conflict - Debian Bug report logs') |
| 00:08.45 | simonlnu | IRConan: many packages do this. yes granted it's easy to get around it. |
| 00:08.58 | sedulous | simonlnu: How, without rebuilding a package? |
| 00:09.05 | simonlnu | if you know how to do that, you can get around the conflicts too |
| 00:09.56 | simonlnu | i'm playing devil's advocate here. not my own personal opinion. |
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| 00:10.14 | sedulous | How do you get around it? |
| 00:11.02 | simonlnu | a number of ways, yes it involved rebuilding. or, install from source (rebuild in easier to manage in the long term) |
| 00:11.12 | born2troll | when i play urban terror or red eclipse the sound suddenly stops, alsa is giveing an error and pulseaudio dies at all. is there a patch for that on backports? |
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| 00:12.04 | sedulous | simonlnu: Then you'd have to monitor updates and automatically rebuild it regularly. That's an excessive amount of work for a conflict that should not exist in the first place. |
| 00:12.22 | sedulous | Maybe there's a good reason for the conflict. I don't see it. |
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| 00:13.09 | eni23 | mabye ask here again, the kernel-devs are REALLY uncool. does linux have something like the windows driver kit (wdk) ? because i dont want to understand every bit of the kernel and spend years, i just want to make some hardware working (my touchscreen-pc and some prototypes ive developes) |
| 00:13.11 | simonlnu | there used to be, mainly because of virtual packages and other reasons. nowadays probably not so wise any more. |
| 00:13.47 | sedulous | (You'd also have to setup a complete backporting environment i you want to use both on a squeeze server.) |
| 00:14.22 | simonlnu | sedulous: well, people do that when they have to. a distro isn't supposed to provide for everyone's needs, just the vast majority. |
| 00:14.39 | simonlnu | if you need specific support, you do it yourself. |
| 00:15.01 | sedulous | simonlnu: That's absolutely right, however in this case, the change would not impact anyone else, as far as I know. |
| 00:15.18 | simonlnu | you can't expect them to take care of every single corner case. yes, removing the silly conflicts would help a lot. |
| 00:16.33 | simonlnu | it's usually newbies (or cluebies) that install ftpds, and they may want to install 2 of them. then when neither starts, they come here or some random web forum or mailing list saying "they don't work". |
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| 00:16.55 | simonlnu | (yeh ok silly example :P) |
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| 00:20.56 | serega_by | I try, I can't install driver =) |
| 00:21.00 | serega_by | =(* |
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| 00:22.43 | serega_by | Error"Api mismatch the nVIDIA kernel module as version 195.36.91 but this MVIDIA driver component has version 290.10" |
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| 00:24.04 | serega_by | how installl this stupid driver ? |
| 00:24.08 | abrotman | did you try to use the .run file from nvidia.com ? |
| 00:24.18 | serega_by | yes |
| 00:24.24 | serega_by | it is not work |
| 00:24.32 | abrotman | now you've made a mess |
| 00:24.42 | born2troll | when i play urban terror or red eclipse the sound suddenly stops, alsa is giveing an error and pulseaudio dies at all. is there a patch for that on backports? |
| 00:24.45 | serega_by | it is simply closing when i try to start it |
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| 00:25.52 | serega_by | how to installl this driver ? |
| 00:25.57 | serega_by | for nvidia |
| 00:26.01 | abrotman | you've been told five or six times |
| 00:26.14 | abrotman | not a single time did anyone tell you to go to nvidia.com |
| 00:26.25 | serega_by | is it realy so hard or i so dumb? |
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| 00:28.09 | born2troll | serga_by what driver? 560 ti? |
| 00:28.38 | serega_by | adapter GeForce 6150 |
| 00:29.12 | abrotman | gets the popcorn |
| 00:29.14 | serega_by | i download LINUX DISPLAY DRIVER - X86 version 290.10 |
| 00:29.30 | babilen | serega_by: Make sure you uninstall *every trace* of the nvidia.com installer/installation. AFAIK there is a script/program/tool in uninstall-nvidia that helps with that. |
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| 00:30.16 | wobblyonions | anyone here a user of ntop and using it for remote devices? |
| 00:30.20 | babilen | serega_by: #nvidia probably knows best how to remove it |
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| 00:30.55 | abrotman | wobblyonions: probably someone .. ask your real question |
| 00:31.41 | born2troll | babilen btw is there something new from my drive? no i guess? |
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| 00:32.30 | serega_by | i can't remove something with gui interface, because i can't start X-server |
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| 00:33.09 | serega_by | also i don't know which packeges i need to remove |
| 00:33.44 | jsoft_ | remove _ALL_ the packages! |
| 00:33.51 | jsoft_ | </meme> |
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| 00:35.58 | acu | I want to wget everything in folder from a site - http://example.com/foobar/foo/ what wget command I need to do ? |
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| 00:41.00 | abrotman | acu: man wget .. i believ eit has an example |
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| 00:42.44 | acu | abrotman: I am looking at it now - I have one which gets the whole site :) I do not want that - let me see ... |
| 00:42.50 | wobblyonions | I have ntop running on a debian server and its working fine for analyzing traffic for the local server but when adding remote sflow and netflow devices I am seeing MAC address and not IP address |
| 00:43.23 | wobblyonions | ntop running on Debian and the remote device is a Extreme L3 switch as well as a Fortigate Firewall |
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| 00:53.08 | abrotman | wobblyonions: well, it may do that because IPs are dynamic ? |
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| 00:53.37 | wobblyonions | all IP's are static, I am a newbie to the world of NTOP so very possibly not configured the remote hosts correctly7 |
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| 00:58.35 | eni23 | does someone knows if this is still actual: http://www.kroah.com/linux/talks/oscon_2004_kernel_devel_talk/mgp00014.html |
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| 01:05.10 | abrotman | eni23: what part of it ? |
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| 01:05.52 | eni23 | abrotman: specially 2 and 3? |
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| 01:08.16 | eni23 | a kernel dev just wrote me: "Yes :)" |
| 01:08.20 | eni23 | damn |
| 01:08.26 | abrotman | eni23: how was that confusing? |
| 01:08.38 | abrotman | eni23: think like the nvidia drivers that are outside the tree and break a lot |
| 01:08.46 | abrotman | and yeah .. the API can change at will |
| 01:09.19 | eni23 | that is really uncool for me. i dont mean big drivers like graphics, i mean smaller ones eg for hid devices |
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| 01:09.38 | eni23 | usually only 100-1000 lines of code |
| 01:09.59 | abrotman | eni23: so get them in the kernel |
| 01:10.49 | eni23 | abrotman: yes i try it. but kernel-devs are really uncool and dont like to answer questions ive learned |
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| 01:12.00 | eni23 | abrotman: and i came from uc and windows world in hardware. i have some questions but kernel devs are reeeealy quiet |
| 01:12.01 | abrotman | or perhaps the questions are not phrased poorly? |
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| 01:13.33 | eni23 | abrotman: ohno they answer but only "rtfm" or "you can't do that in that way". but for some kernel things are just no 'tmf', so what to do? |
| 01:14.39 | abrotman | rtfm? or ask which fm |
| 01:14.42 | eni23 | abrotman: take bluez for example. alot of things are not really clear and there is no such thing as an dev-manual. just some comments and a 30-line howto |
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| 01:15.25 | eni23 | if i ask which fm i normally get no answer |
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| 01:16.28 | abrotman | well, complaining in #debian won't get you anywhere |
| 01:16.50 | eni23 | userspace-linux devs are cooler eg for debian i everytime get an answer |
| 01:17.01 | eni23 | im shuttin up .. |
| 01:17.43 | abrotman | there is #kernel here and #kernel-newbies on oftc |
| 01:17.47 | eni23 | just thinked that someone here knows something |
| 01:19.49 | nkuttler | eni23: when there are no docs there's always the source which is probably well documented |
| 01:20.06 | eni23 | overall i just have to say f** linux and do it for windows it will work too. i dont have the nerves to read million lines of sourcecode and gets me telled that i should ask something else or read the f*** manuan or dont do it that way but telling me no way |
| 01:20.39 | abrotman | you have the source code to windows? |
| 01:20.42 | eni23 | i just mean for hardware i like linux as desktop and server system |
| 01:21.18 | eni23 | abrotman: no but there is a thing called windows driver kit etc ih haves really better developer support |
| 01:21.31 | abrotman | and again .. whining here does you no good |
| 01:21.49 | eni23 | i know. just saying. |
| 01:21.52 | abrotman | uhhuh |
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| 01:22.03 | eni23 | yuup |
| 01:22.20 | eni23 | thats why alot of devices wont work in linux |
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| 01:22.54 | eni23 | just because they think "we are better" and rtfm and things |
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| 01:23.04 | eni23 | s*** that good night |
| 01:23.05 | nkuttler | i like my kernel how it is. thanks |
| 01:23.27 | eni23 | nkuttler: i wanna port windows drivers to |
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| 01:23.42 | eni23 | linux. ive developed the devices on my own |
| 01:23.45 | pablo | hi, where can I find the template for the rules file? |
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| 01:25.09 | nkuttler | pablo: i'd assume that's convered in the new maint guide? |
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| 01:26.14 | pablo | nkuttler: I don't want to create a new one, only want to compare with the default one |
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| 01:34.32 | confus3d | hello. For some reason, my NTFS drive will only mount with rw for root. no other user can read or write to it |
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| 01:34.42 | confus3d | I've tried all possible combinations in fstab, but nothing will work |
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| 01:35.30 | confus3d | It's worked before, though |
| 01:35.52 | streuner | confus3d: /msg dpkg user accessible ntfs |
| 01:36.02 | confus3d | thanks |
| 01:36.07 | kingsley | How would you coax a file system on a USB drive to mount after plugging it in? |
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| 01:37.49 | oldtopman | kingsley: mount |
| 01:37.55 | nsadmin | wellyou could just run mount /file/system /mount/point |
| 01:38.12 | nsadmin | or |
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| 01:38.14 | kj4 | anyone have a good link to install of a LAMP env on squeeze? |
| 01:38.25 | oldtopman | LAMP? |
| 01:38.26 | nsadmin | wellyou could just run mount -t filesystemtype /file/system /mount/point |
| 01:38.40 | nsadmin | VAMP! |
| 01:38.48 | kingsley | oldtopman & nsadmin: Yes, I agree. Do you happen to know a better way than the "lsusb" command to find out which device the USB drive is on? |
| 01:39.13 | abrotman | dmesg |
| 01:39.13 | nsadmin | not better, just different: dmesg | head |
| 01:39.18 | abrotman | | tail ? |
| 01:39.26 | kj4 | cmon, dont make me run bubuntu server |
| 01:39.26 | nsadmin | right sorry |
| 01:39.44 | abrotman | kj4: the command would be the same ... try a better troll |
| 01:39.48 | oldtopman | kingsley: "fdisk -l" |
| 01:39.49 | kingsley | usb |
| 01:39.59 | kingsley | Oops, wrong window! |
| 01:40.06 | oldtopman | heh |
| 01:40.11 | kj4 | abrotman: really not trolling, what is the command or link pls? |
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| 01:40.47 | nsadmin | or better: don't try a better troll, or a worse troll, or an equal value troll... |
| 01:42.25 | nsadmin | kj4, are you pretty good with the shell? conventional wisdom suggests that doing normal things in the shell are usually very much the same across all dists |
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| 01:42.34 | nsadmin | other than package stuff |
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| 01:43.40 | confus3d | I found my problem.. thanks |
| 01:43.47 | confus3d | I was using ntfs, and should have used ntfs-3g |
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| 01:44.14 | nsadmin | ohh, good enuf... glad you found it |
| 01:44.14 | confus3d | in fstab, I mean |
| 01:44.21 | confus3d | :) |
| 01:44.26 | oldtopman | Anyone here know how to launch XDM inside of a running x11 env? |
| 01:44.29 | kj4 | nsadmin: thanks, i was hoping for some nice tutorial link |
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| 01:45.19 | boudiccas | kj4; google for it |
| 01:45.21 | nsadmin | kj4, well lamp, each letter stands for its component |
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| 01:45.28 | streuner | confus3d: strange, i dont need to make an entry in fstab |
| 01:45.32 | kingsley | Hmmm... The USB drive isn't listed in dmesg, fdisk -l or /var/log/messages. |
| 01:45.51 | kingsley | I'll try a different USB port. |
| 01:45.56 | nsadmin | l=linux, you got that, a=apache, so install that |
| 01:46.03 | oldtopman | kingsley: Then the system doesn't know it exists. Does lsusb turn up anything? |
| 01:46.17 | streuner | confus3d: well, i use it only as root, so forget my statement before |
| 01:46.38 | craigevil | kingsley, run dmesg it should show the device and mount point for it |
| 01:46.46 | confus3d | I meant for auto mounting |
| 01:46.59 | confus3d | or yours does that too? |
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| 01:47.27 | cthuluh | oldtopman: I believe xdm hasn't been designed for such a thing ; though you could try to start it on a different display |
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| 01:47.36 | nsadmin | m=mysql (me=yecch!! try postgres! but to each their own) p=php (this one is the most challenging, because apps seem very sensitive to which version) |
| 01:47.51 | streuner | confus3d: no, i manually mount the ntfs partition(s), the entries in the <factoids> of dpkg's db changed |
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| 01:48.08 | confus3d | ahhh, yeah, I want mine auto mounted, so I did the fstab |
| 01:48.41 | streuner | confus3d: but, basically, you need uid and and gid |
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| 01:49.08 | nsadmin | let's see if I can come up with an acronym for my web stack... Postgres, Linux, Aolserver, Tcl... PLAT!! |
| 01:49.13 | kingsley | oldtopman: lsusb reports other usb devices, but not the one I want. |
| 01:49.26 | confus3d | ok, thnaks streuner |
| 01:49.26 | oldtopman | kingsley: Not recognised, sorry :( |
| 01:49.31 | kingsley | craigevil: I'd think so too, but no luck. |
| 01:49.33 | streuner | confus3d: no worries |
| 01:49.43 | kj4 | thanks nsadmin |
| 01:49.46 | oldtopman | cthuluh: bah. Thanks anyway :) |
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| 01:50.26 | nsadmin | kj4, do you code php yourself? will you for this particular app? and/or use existing stuff? |
| 01:50.27 | streuner | confus3d: the "id" command gives you the infos about... |
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| 01:51.15 | kj4 | nsadmin: this is for a web server running joomla |
| 01:51.34 | kj4 | nsadmin: i code nothing yet : ( |
| 01:51.37 | streuner | confus3d: just run "id" as user |
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| 01:52.25 | nsadmin | (also NOTE carefully, if you need a php whose version is not provided, you may need to install apache's and mysql's -dev lib stuff, and build php AND -any- modules that plug into php that you need) |
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| 01:52.48 | nsadmin | the above may or may not be for the faint of heart |
| 01:52.58 | abrotman | maybe show him how to find hte packages instead of spoonfeeding |
| 01:53.03 | kingsley | I'm happy to report that pulling the USB drive out and re-inserting it seems to have caused it to be mounted. |
| 01:53.19 | kingsley | I suspect I just needed to find a working USB port. |
| 01:53.45 | nsadmin | abrotman, is joomla packaged by any chance? |
| 01:53.47 | yfeldblum | from `du -k` ... "13164/usr/lib/perl/5.10.1/auto" ... 13MB, what's it for? is it needed? |
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| 01:54.28 | simonlnu | yfeldblum: no doubt it is |
| 01:54.33 | acu | I want to wget everything in folder (there are few files and a subfolder from site)e - http://example.com/folder/ what wget command would fetch the whole content of the folder ? |
| 01:54.42 | v116v | hello, good night |
| 01:54.52 | kj4 | nsadmin: thanks. forewarned is four-armed |
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| 01:55.06 | v116v | i have a problem with the resolution screen |
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| 01:55.10 | nsadmin | forewarned is twopeopled? |
| 01:55.13 | v116v | can help me? |
| 01:55.27 | simonlnu | kj4: *groan* |
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| 01:55.36 | v116v | i am spanish, i don't write english very well |
| 01:55.40 | yfeldblum | simonlnu, trying to build a minimal system ... |
| 01:55.43 | abrotman | !es |
| 01:55.44 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 01:55.44 | streuner | v116v: in order to do what? |
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| 01:56.04 | v116v | dpkg: i know, thanks |
| 01:56.04 | dpkg | v116v: i don't know |
| 01:56.10 | nsadmin | v116v, would you like to read/write spanish for this help? |
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| 01:56.36 | v116v | streuner: i using x11vnc |
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| 01:56.43 | v116v | my monitor is off |
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| 01:57.06 | v116v | and debian don't detect it and don't rule the resolution by defect |
| 01:57.32 | v116v | i need fix the resolution to use vnc |
| 01:58.04 | v116v | you understand me? |
| 01:58.15 | streuner | sure, but i have no idea |
| 01:58.24 | v116v | streuner: ok |
| 01:58.43 | nsadmin | I also have no idea, and I'd like to see if I understand correctly... |
| 01:59.01 | nsadmin | you have a machine whose monitor is off... |
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| 01:59.24 | nsadmin | you want to use vnc for display on remote... |
| 01:59.29 | v116v | yes |
| 01:59.37 | v116v | and rule |
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| 01:59.44 | v116v | but the resolution sucks |
| 02:00.00 | v116v | i rule it with ssh tunel |
| 02:00.02 | nsadmin | the x on the "headless" machine doesn't detect the resolution you want |
| 02:00.14 | v116v | efectively |
| 02:00.23 | v116v | effectively |
| 02:00.30 | v116v | ;) |
| 02:00.38 | nsadmin | how close is the headless to the machine you want to display on? |
| 02:01.01 | nsadmin | 1 meter? several hundred km? |
| 02:01.02 | v116v | one moment please i translate you in google translate |
| 02:01.28 | streuner | omg, google can be sometimes very bad to translate |
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| 02:01.59 | nsadmin | that's not surprising... they named themselves google... |
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| 02:02.30 | v116v | sorry in don't understand you nsadmin |
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| 02:02.43 | streuner | v116v: forget that, just use your own words |
| 02:03.07 | nsadmin | ok, what name do you give to the machine that you turn the monitor off? |
| 02:03.23 | nsadmin | (we need machine names for the conversation) |
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| 02:03.44 | joeyy | any one using nginx |
| 02:03.52 | simonlnu | !anyone use |
| 02:03.53 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 02:04.13 | joeyy | lol |
| 02:04.20 | streuner | joeyy: nginx isnt in Debian... |
| 02:04.26 | simonlnu | yes it is |
| 02:04.49 | streuner | well, that was in the past, it surely changed than |
| 02:04.52 | v116v | emmmm i need one script with xrand |
| 02:04.57 | v116v | in the boot |
| 02:05.05 | simonlnu | ,versions nginx |
| 02:05.07 | judd | Package: nginx on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 0.7.67-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.7.67-3; squeeze-backports: 1.1.0-1~bpo60+1; sid: 1.1.8-2; wheezy: 1.1.8-2 |
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| 02:05.16 | v116v | i don't know the level to run it |
| 02:05.34 | joeyy | nginx/0.7.67 |
| 02:05.40 | streuner | simonlnu: it seems we are talking about a different thing then :-) |
| 02:05.43 | v116v | and i don't know write it |
| 02:05.46 | zykotick9 | Problem with ftp3.nrc.ca mirror. squeeze / wheezy / sid all giving "403 Forbidden" for "amd64 Packages". My aptitude update (from squeeze) at http://paste.debian.net/148939/ if I change to to the main US mirror (only one I've tried) updates work successfully. Is there anything I should be trying before emailing debian-mirrors@lists.debian.org regarding the issue? |
| 02:05.59 | nsadmin | to give others clue where I'm going... if same room, why not use x server and xdmcp to connect to headless box |
| 02:06.18 | joeyy | i was wounding if any one used it for there site |
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| 02:06.40 | simonlnu | just ask the real question instead of this meta stuff |
| 02:06.58 | v116v | que raro hablais cabrones |
| 02:07.02 | v116v | ejejejjeej |
| 02:07.11 | v116v | no hay Dios que pille una... |
| 02:07.13 | abrotman | v116v: english here |
| 02:07.17 | v116v | yes yes |
| 02:07.18 | simonlnu | aren't you nice. NOT |
| 02:07.20 | v116v | sorry |
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| 02:08.18 | cthuluh | google translate doesn't fail at translating 03:06 < v116v> que raro hablais cabrones |
| 02:08.31 | v116v | can help me with one post in the www? |
| 02:08.44 | v116v | x11vnc with problem resolution... |
| 02:08.55 | v116v | know one? |
| 02:09.00 | v116v | o algo... |
| 02:09.02 | nsadmin | ok, what name do you give to the machine that you turn the monitor off? |
| 02:09.25 | v116v | www.topsecret.com |
| 02:09.28 | v116v | xD |
| 02:09.41 | streuner | nsadmin: he prolly unterstood that question... |
| 02:09.50 | streuner | nsadmin: doesnt* |
| 02:10.08 | nsadmin | ok, is topsecret in the same room with you? or hundreds of miles away? |
| 02:10.23 | abrotman | v116v: do you need Debian help ? |
| 02:10.34 | v116v | abrotman: yes, of course |
| 02:10.47 | v116v | i have the same problem 3 weeks |
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| 02:11.14 | v116v | i can't solve it with tightvncserver... |
| 02:11.44 | v116v | i need fix the resolution in the xrand or i don't know |
| 02:12.01 | coagula | whats default console after fresh non-gui install, VGA? |
| 02:12.06 | nsadmin | he's not responding to me... which isn't a problem since I am quickly running out of time |
| 02:12.31 | streuner | no worries |
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| 02:12.32 | v116v | coagula: i dont have graphis card, i have a AMD APU CPU |
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| 02:13.09 | nsadmin | is he talking about a cpu with graphics builtin? |
| 02:13.43 | coagula | v116v: sorry I was asking for myself.. |
| 02:13.48 | v116v | this cpu include the glx |
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| 02:14.15 | coagula | I think I've got the same setup though, graphics built into intel atom CPU |
| 02:14.16 | v116v | sorry i dont undertand english very well, sorry |
| 02:14.19 | v116v | very much |
| 02:14.47 | nsadmin | keep pluggin |
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| 02:17.13 | nsadmin | anyway tho, I've run out of time; gotta accomplish stuff :) |
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| 02:19.20 | simonlnu | later nsadmin |
| 02:20.10 | nsadmin | have a good nite... me gonna play som music!! |
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| 02:39.50 | pablo | hi guys, do I need a key to sign packages, or if I have a mentor it is not needed? |
| 02:40.07 | ShinyDarkness | Hello. I have installed libboost-all-dev, which currently points to Boost version 1.42.0. However FindBoost.cmake only references Boost versions up to 1.41.0. I have installed all updates on my machine. What could be the problem? |
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| 02:40.49 | streuner_ | pablo: only DD's sign packages... |
| 02:40.50 | ShinyDarkness | I have installed the latest stable version of each package. |
| 02:41.14 | pablo | streuner_: thx |
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| 02:41.30 | streuner_ | judd, versions libboost-all-dev |
| 02:41.31 | judd | Package: libboost-all-dev on i386 -- squeeze: 1.42.0.1; sid: 1.46.1.1; wheezy: 1.46.1.1 |
| 02:41.58 | ShinyDarkness | judd: I am using squeeze. |
| 02:42.00 | judd | No package named 'am' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 02:42.07 | streuner_ | ShinyDarkness: we know... |
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| 02:42.37 | streuner_ | ShinyDarkness: sorry, but what should be the problem at all? |
| 02:43.17 | ShinyDarkness | streuner_: When I tried compiling a very simple test program, I got series of "unresolved dependency" errors. |
| 02:44.15 | JaredKz | hey, I'm running Debian with Virtualbox installed on a XDM desktop environment, however on this machine I'm running, it doesn't let me type into it |
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| 02:44.57 | JaredKz | it used to, but only one letter at a time and each time I had to mouse out of the VM and then mouse back in |
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| 02:45.44 | pablo | how do I generate a tar.gz with the content of the debian folder while packaging instead of a diff.gz? |
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| 02:46.10 | mentor | Do you not want to be using dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 02:46.48 | pablo | mentor: I want to use dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 02:48.34 | mentor | pablo: Look at the dpkg-source options |
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| 02:51.07 | pablo | mentor: thx |
| 02:51.39 | Masterdev | Hi, I have the following question: libncurses.a the same as libncurses.so.5 |
| 02:51.43 | streuner_ | ShinyDarkness: is the app. in Debian at all? |
| 02:52.04 | mentor | Masterdev: no |
| 02:52.30 | Masterdev | I am trying to install mysql and I need libcurses and it says that it is already installed but can't locate it |
| 02:52.33 | mentor | Masterdev: One is a static object/library archive, and the other is a dynamically loadable object/library |
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| 02:52.49 | mentor | Masterdev: Are you compiling mysql? |
| 02:52.50 | ShinyDarkness | streuner_: What app? |
| 02:53.01 | Masterdev | mentor yes |
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| 02:53.11 | Masterdev | and there's no /opt/ncurses/lib/libncurses.a |
| 02:53.13 | streuner_ | ShinyDarkness: i meant a package, otherwise you have to fullfill the depends |
| 02:53.14 | mentor | Masterdev: You need the dev packages |
| 02:53.29 | mentor | Masterdev: However, more importantly, WHY are you compiling it? |
| 02:53.40 | ShinyDarkness | streuner_: Yes, the only thing I have installed that is not a Debian package is node.js. |
| 02:54.39 | mentor | That's been packaged now, I believe |
| 02:54.40 | Masterdev | mentor I am following this http://www.geeksww.com/tutorials/database_management_systems/mysql/installation/downloading_compiling_and_installing_mysql_server_from_source_code.php tutorial for installing MySQL 5.1 |
| 02:54.50 | mentor | Masterdev: Yes… Why? |
| 02:55.04 | Masterdev | because can't do it other way |
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| 02:55.10 | mentor | Masterdev: Why not? |
| 02:55.44 | Masterdev | mentor what else? |
| 02:55.47 | Masterdev | :) |
| 02:55.57 | mentor | Masterdev: Why don't you jsut install the mysql package? |
| 02:56.03 | streuner_ | ShinyDarkness: if you got errors, there should be a log file which should tell you what is missing |
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| 02:56.25 | Masterdev | mentor I get the following error E: Unable to locate package mysql |
| 02:56.27 | gparent | Hey, I have this weird issue with my debian system where hashing the same file over and over returns different hashes |
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| 02:56.37 | gparent | This is on a partition that is running over raid |
| 02:56.38 | mentor | !tell Masterdev about search |
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| 02:57.55 | streuner_ | ShinyDarkness: if you got errors, there should be a log file which should tell you what is missin |
| 02:58.35 | mentor | Masterdev: Found it? |
| 02:58.40 | streuner_ | ShinyDarkness: build-essential is the basic package you need in order to compile in Debian, and other packages are foo-dev |
| 02:58.53 | ShinyDarkness | streuner_: Okay, I will install those. |
| 02:58.58 | ShinyDarkness | streuner_: Thank you. |
| 02:59.02 | mentor | gparent: Which file? |
| 02:59.24 | mentor | gparent: And what kind of RAID? |
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| 02:59.38 | gparent | mentor: it's a 3GBish .iso file, over RAID 5. |
| 02:59.47 | gparent | However I can do the hashing over another file and it works fine |
| 02:59.57 | Masterdev | mentor found only /etc/bash_completion.d/mysqladmin |
| 03:00.00 | gparent | only certain files seem to get a different hash for every execution |
| 03:00.02 | streuner_ | ShinyDarkness: if its not in Debian (package), its a thingie of the README/INSTALL file of that program... |
| 03:00.13 | mentor | gparent: Have you tried verifying your RAID? |
| 03:00.17 | ShinyDarkness | streuner_: Ah! |
| 03:00.22 | gparent | with mdadm? |
| 03:00.28 | gparent | right now im installing the smart tools |
| 03:00.33 | mentor | Masterdev: Did you read the info from dpkg? |
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| 03:00.48 | mentor | gparent: Is this a software RAID? |
| 03:00.52 | gparent | yes |
| 03:01.18 | mentor | gparent: Are the logs showing anything? |
| 03:01.29 | gparent | which ones in particular? |
| 03:01.39 | mentor | kernel logs for the RAID device |
| 03:01.51 | Masterdev | mentor yes I did no libncurses found |
| 03:01.52 | mentor | I.e., hardware errors or unsync |
| 03:02.03 | gparent | im not seeing anything scary in dmesg |
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| 03:03.24 | mentor | gparent: I can only think to verify the array, or copy the file (to the same array or different) and cmp the two |
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| 03:03.58 | mentor | Masterdev: Well, what command did you use to find etc/bash_completion.d/mysqladmin? |
| 03:04.09 | gparent | yeah.. Im gonna try copying it twice to my windows machine and see if I get the same file |
| 03:04.18 | gparent | if there's hard drive corruption im screwed, there is over 1 TB of data on tis |
| 03:04.19 | gparent | this |
| 03:04.23 | gparent | not important data though |
| 03:04.28 | Masterdev | mentor locate mysql |
| 03:04.47 | mentor | gparent: You've seen the cmp command |
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| 03:04.49 | mentor | ? |
| 03:04.53 | mentor | Masterdev: Why that command? |
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| 03:05.07 | gparent | yes |
| 03:05.11 | mentor | :) |
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| 03:05.17 | Masterdev | mentor everything else returns the same |
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| 03:05.37 | mentor | Masterdev: No it doesn't. Did you see the commands dpkg told you about? |
| 03:05.54 | Masterdev | yes |
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| 03:06.08 | mentor | Masterdev: And what happened when you used them? |
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| 03:06.40 | Masterdev | apt-cache search "mysql" |
| 03:06.40 | Masterdev | rsyslog - enhanced multi-threaded syslogd |
| 03:07.17 | Masterdev | dpkg -S /bin/mysql |
| 03:07.18 | Masterdev | dpkg: /bin/mysql not found. |
| 03:07.18 | mentor | Was that the only result? |
| 03:07.18 | dpkg | You Fool! /bin/mysql is installed! |
| 03:07.26 | Masterdev | yes |
| 03:07.50 | mentor | Masterdev: Your apt sources are deficient |
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| 03:08.26 | mentor | Masterdev: What happens when you run apt-get update |
| 03:09.09 | Masterdev | mentor Fetched 496 kB in 13s (35.5 kB/s) |
| 03:09.17 | Masterdev | Get: 8.... |
| 03:09.33 | Masterdev | packages |
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| 03:10.17 | mentor | That doesn't sound like enough |
| 03:10.22 | mentor | Masterdev: How did you install? |
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| 03:10.36 | mentor | Fish! |
| 03:11.14 | mentor | Masterdev: Check your sources.list |
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| 03:11.57 | Masterdev | mentor installed from CD |
| 03:12.22 | mentor | Masterdev: Did you set up network sources? |
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| 03:13.03 | Masterdev | yes I uncomented the 4 tha were there |
| 03:13.05 | Masterdev | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
| 03:13.05 | Masterdev | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
| 03:13.05 | Masterdev | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main |
| 03:13.05 | Masterdev | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main |
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| 03:13.25 | Masterdev | sry bout that |
| 03:13.28 | mentor | Masterdev: Don't do that |
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| 03:13.33 | Masterdev | ok |
| 03:13.33 | mentor | Masterdev: Those are updates only |
| 03:13.34 | gparent | I'm stumped. I copied the file from my file server to my machine, twice, and both files have different CRCs |
| 03:13.53 | mentor | gparent: Your RAID is wonky |
| 03:14.02 | abrotman | or network |
| 03:14.13 | mentor | abrotman: It happens locally as well |
| 03:14.19 | gparent | It doesn't do this with every file, though. |
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| 03:14.20 | gparent | Which is weird. |
| 03:14.36 | Masterdev | mentor should I look for squeeze main |
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| 03:14.44 | gparent | http://codepad.org/ZIARiV0d |
| 03:14.48 | mentor | Masterdev: Something like that |
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| 03:15.50 | mentor | gparent: Run a verify |
| 03:16.30 | gparent | And how do I do that |
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| 03:18.17 | mentor | I'm not sure |
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| 03:20.23 | gparent | I wonder if it could be a memory issue |
| 03:20.38 | gparent | if im lucky the files on disk are fine |
| 03:21.00 | mentor | echo check > /sys/block/md0/md/sync_action |
| 03:21.01 | mentor | ? |
| 03:21.45 | gparent | root@silver:~# cat /sys/block/md3/md/sync_action |
| 03:21.46 | gparent | idle |
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| 03:21.59 | gparent | oh |
| 03:22.01 | gparent | I see |
| 03:22.11 | mentor | I haven't checked that command against sanity |
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| 03:30.09 | pmade | I'm installing wheezy on a new computer with a radeon graphics card and right after boot the screen goes to garbange (console, not X). I found a bug report with instructions to install a package, but how do I install a package with the screen jacked up? |
| 03:31.02 | confus3d | ssh to it? |
| 03:31.18 | confus3d | unless ssh not installed |
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| 03:31.30 | pmade | I've tried, SSH should be running, but I'm not 100% sure what the IP is. |
| 03:31.47 | confus3d | is it on your local network? |
| 03:32.03 | abrotman | pmade: blindly login as root and install the package? |
| 03:32.08 | pmade | Yes. I've tried all the Is the router says are connected |
| 03:32.24 | pmade | abrotman: maybe, might be my only option |
| 03:33.05 | abrotman | pmade: if i can edit the interfaces file blindly .. you can surely install a package :) |
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| 03:34.53 | LordTrev | Anyone know of a tiling wm that can be used as a replacement for another DE's wm(i.e no task bar)? |
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| 03:39.35 | abrotman | LordTrev: awesome ? |
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| 03:41.28 | itaylor57 | !webmin |
| 03:41.29 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 03:42.11 | raven | sshfs/fuse mounted remote ssh folder in /home/user/remote using sudo - "permission denied" now - how to access it |
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| 03:46.29 | langkid1 | how do I update a package, without destroying it's configs? |
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| 03:47.11 | lstarnes | langkid1: it will not destroy configuration |
| 03:47.22 | lstarnes | langkid1: the new config will be moved to .pacnew files |
| 03:47.33 | raven | sshfs/fuse mounted remote ssh folder in /home/user/remote using sudo - "permission denied" now - how to access it |
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| 03:47.59 | langkid1 | what's the APT command, also it's a package that came in my debian install |
| 03:48.01 | lstarnes | raven: try without sudo |
| 03:48.08 | lstarnes | argh darn it |
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| 03:48.16 | lstarnes | langkid1: sorry, I thought this was #archlinux |
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| 03:48.28 | raven | lstarnes, then i have no access to /dev/fuse |
| 03:48.32 | langkid1 | er k? |
| 03:48.45 | dark|angel | what's the safest password encryption method? CRYPT or MD5? |
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| 03:50.08 | LoRez | dark|angel: don't spam |
| 03:50.32 | abrotman | /cyc/e |
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| 03:52.23 | lstarnes | raven: there should be a fuse group |
| 03:52.32 | gnarface | dark|angel: neither, SHA1 |
| 03:52.34 | lstarnes | raven: if your users is in it, it should be able to use fuse |
| 03:52.41 | lstarnes | dark|angel: sha512 |
| 03:52.59 | dark|angel | I think that the most usable would be MD5 Crypt |
| 03:53.05 | gnarface | i thought sha512 was still in working draft form? |
| 03:53.15 | gnarface | or some shit |
| 03:53.18 | lstarnes | dark|angel: md5 has been proven cryptographically weak |
| 03:53.18 | raven | lstarnes, solved right now - i simple forgot to relogin sry for that ;) |
| 03:54.11 | dark|angel | It's an email password... I need it to be usable |
| 03:54.24 | langkid1 | Great job APT-GET DIST-UPDATE you updated 0 things! |
| 03:55.20 | karlpinc | !tell langkid1 about stable |
| 03:55.26 | karlpinc | !tell langkid1 about overview |
| 03:55.36 | lstarnes | langkid1: if I read correctly, dpkg should prompt when you have changed config files and new versions of them are installed. if the package doesn't try to install a newer version and you edited it, then it won't undo your changes |
| 03:55.51 | langkid1 | brb, gonna update a package that's probably going to kill my BNC |
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| 03:55.56 | langkid1 | 'cuz that's what the package is :P |
| 03:56.15 | lstarnes | your bnc should keep running |
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| 03:56.32 | lstarnes | just as the old version. the installation script might restart it |
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| 03:59.18 | confus3d | I guess not :P |
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| 04:02.00 | pmade | Is there a way to install a package while booted off the installer in rescue mode? |
| 04:02.44 | gnarface | sure, why not? |
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| 04:03.09 | gnarface | the rescue mode has a feature that executes a root shell for you in the installed environment |
| 04:03.17 | gnarface | you can do anything you want to it pretty much then |
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| 04:04.30 | pmade | I've mounted my disk under /mnt, I was thinking I'd run a shell under chroot, then use apt-get, does that make sense? |
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| 04:05.41 | gnarface | pmade: yes its just that is basically what the rescue disk's 'execute a shell in the installed environment' feature does |
| 04:06.11 | pmade | gnarface: An, okay. I was on a virutal console, so I guess I did it the hard way, thanks |
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| 04:16.25 | simonlnu | he's still doing that, that claw person. seriously, hours later. |
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| 04:21.27 | civillian | I need a password manager it seems, can anyone suggest some to try? |
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| 04:22.09 | gimpy170 | civillian: KeePassX if you want something portable and not built into your DE or browser. |
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| 04:23.00 | xwalk | Evening all. |
| 04:23.04 | civillian | gimpy170: that sounds good, looking into it now |
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| 04:25.28 | langkid1 | :( the application I want is outdated in the debian I have, and the APT remove and APT install commands don't help |
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| 04:25.55 | civillian | langkid1: oh, which app? |
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| 04:26.18 | langkid1 | civillian, ZNC (IRC BNC_ |
| 04:26.25 | sanduz2 | is using the init skeleton (with stop start etc) the only way to make a startup script? |
| 04:26.52 | sanduz2 | (creating an init script) |
| 04:27.16 | simonlnu | no, but it's a standard init script |
| 04:27.41 | simonlnu | you'd end up making something like it. and you don't have to use all of it. |
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| 04:28.01 | sanduz2 | simonlnu, i mean, using initd is the only way to make something run at startup right? |
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| 04:28.13 | sanduz2 | theres no directory or something that is automatically read for bash scripts? |
| 04:28.41 | simonlnu | only the symlinks in rc?.d/ are |
| 04:29.02 | mentor | /etc/rc?.d/ is automatically read for executables |
| 04:29.16 | langkid1 | screw APT, I'll just remove the current package and install from tarball |
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| 04:29.29 | karlpinc | sanduz2: You can use @reboot in crontab. (man 5 crontab) |
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| 04:29.41 | sanduz2 | karlpinc, ah cool. thanks |
| 04:29.55 | karlpinc | sanduz2: There's also inittab, but you probably don't want to go there. |
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| 04:31.36 | somiaj | langkid1: what package do you want newer than is in squeeze (Debian)? |
| 04:31.44 | langkid1 | znc |
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| 04:32.15 | langkid1 | the one that comes built in is, old, very very, very old |
| 04:32.54 | somiaj | there doesn't appear to be any version in backports. Is the version in sid/wheezy to old (0.202)? |
| 04:33.12 | somiaj | if so you can make your own backported package, follow the instructions from '/msg dpkg ssbp' |
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| 04:33.19 | mentor | 0.202-1+b1 in wheezy |
| 04:34.01 | langkid1 | gets tired of all this installing stuff, to install stuff, he's just gonna build from source |
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| 04:34.31 | langkid1 | I should've read this warning on the ZNC website when I first got ZNC: 'Warning: Debian Stable has very old version by default.' |
| 04:35.32 | karlpinc | langkid1: Did you read the factoids I had dpkg send you? |
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| 04:36.15 | mentor | langkid1: Umm… dependencies should be fulfilled automatically |
| 04:37.30 | karlpinc | langkid1: In particular, if you want to know why you should bother with packages, read footnote 1 of the http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware link in the <overview> factoid. |
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| 04:38.03 | langkid1 | karlpinc, no sorry, my IRC client crashed, never mind about this, my server's already building it |
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| 04:40.02 | karlpinc | langkid1: No worries, but there are reasons why people are making these recommendations to you. |
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| 04:40.58 | mentor | If it's easier compiling from source, you're doing it wrong |
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| 04:42.21 | dark|angel | how can I change the default password encryption method that Debian 6 uses? |
| 04:42.41 | dark|angel | it seems to be using Encrypt, and only encrypts the first 8 characters |
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| 04:42.49 | dark|angel | like the my root password |
| 04:43.36 | lstarnes | edit /etc/pam.d/passwd |
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| 04:44.02 | mentor | mmm |
| 04:44.06 | mentor | common-password, no? |
| 04:44.09 | karlpinc | dark|angel: Are you using shadow passwords? |
| 04:44.10 | lstarnes | find the pam_unix.so line then add to the end of it sha256 |
| 04:44.53 | dark|angel | honestly, I've installed my VPS provider's Debian 6 image, and it came as unsecure as possible out of the box |
| 04:45.05 | dark|angel | <lstarnes> which config file? |
| 04:45.14 | dark|angel | <karlpinc> how do I find out? |
| 04:45.15 | lstarnes | dark|angel: /etc/pam.d/passwd (I just said this) |
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| 04:46.28 | mentor | No |
| 04:46.33 | mentor | I think it's common-password |
| 04:47.04 | dark|angel | <karlpinc> @include common-password |
| 04:47.10 | dark|angel | that's all the file has in it |
| 04:47.18 | lstarnes | then /etc/pam.d/common-password |
| 04:47.54 | dark|angel | password [success=1 default=ignore] pam_unix.so obscure sha512 |
| 04:48.00 | karlpinc | dark|angel: I don't know. /usr/share/doc/passwd/README.Debian has info on turning it on and off, perhaps if /etc/shadow exists then it's on. It's definatly off if /etc/shadow does not exist. |
| 04:48.11 | dark|angel | password requisite pam_deny.so |
| 04:48.33 | mentor | It's using SHA512 already |
| 04:48.34 | dark|angel | k, thanks |
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| 04:49.01 | dark|angel | btw, in which file is it storing passwords? I want to make sure that it's not storing them as CRYPT |
| 04:49.06 | dark|angel | cause that would suck |
| 04:49.41 | mentor | /etc/shadow almost certainly |
| 04:50.21 | mentor | I think it's most unlikely that it's using crypt |
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| 04:50.54 | karlpinc | dark|angel: Based on reading man pwconv I'd say the existance /etc/shadow will tell you whether shadow passwords are on or not. |
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| 04:52.09 | dark|angel | yes, I got shadow passwords enabled |
| 04:53.15 | lstarnes | it appears that at least in wheezy sha512 is default |
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| 04:53.53 | dark|angel | should be |
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| 04:55.06 | mentor | remembers getting asked if he wanted md5 passwords |
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| 05:06.37 | iluminator101 | !kernel |
| 05:06.40 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20110831, linux-next: next-20110831, snapshot 3: 3.1-rc4-git2, mainline 3: 3.1-rc4 , stable 3.0: 3.0.4 , stable 2.6.39: 2.6.39.4 , stable 2.6.38: 2.6.38.8 , stable 2.6.37: 2.6.37.6 , longterm 2.6.35: 2.6.35.14 , longterm 2.6.34: 2.6.34.10 , longterm 2.6.33: 2.6.33.19 , longterm 2.6.32: 2.6.32.46 , longterm 2.6.27: 2.6.27.59 |
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| 05:09.39 | oldtopman | I keep getting hash mismatch with apt-get. |
| 05:09.48 | oldtopman | How do I fix this? (armel32) |
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| 05:10.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | oldtopman: from what site? |
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| 05:11.08 | oldtopman | The oficcial ones. |
| 05:11.12 | oldtopman | official* |
| 05:11.28 | iluminator101 | Package linux-image-3.2.0-rc4-686-pae is not available, but is referred to by another package.?? |
| 05:11.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | oldtopman: please pastebin the output of apt-get update |
| 05:12.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions linux-image-3.2.0-rc4-686-pae |
| 05:12.29 | judd | Package: linux-image-3.2.0-rc4-686-pae on i386 -- experimental: 3.2~rc4-1~experimental.1 |
| 05:12.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | iluminator101: do you have experimental enabled? |
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| 05:13.42 | iluminator101 | Kamping_Kaiser, not by default i would have to call it |
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| 05:14.11 | iluminator101 | Kamping_Kaiser, got it thanks |
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| 05:15.39 | oldtopman | bit.ly/TTTuDwuv |
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| 05:15.55 | oldtopman | Kamping_Kaiser: Here's apt-get update. |
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| 05:16.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | bitly doesn't like that url |
| 05:16.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | Uh oh, bitly couldn't find a link for the bitly URL you clicked. |
| 05:16.58 | oldtopman | bah |
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| 05:17.20 | oldtopman | pastebin.com/TTTuDwuv |
| 05:17.25 | oldtopman | er |
| 05:17.29 | oldtopman | pastebin.com/TTTuDwuV |
| 05:17.38 | oldtopman | wishes he could just copy and paste |
| 05:18.26 | r15 | i want to check which package a file belongs to? such as /bin/date is from which package? |
| 05:18.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | none of those are errors |
| 05:18.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | which packag(s) are you having issues with? |
| 05:18.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | r15: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 05:18.54 | oldtopman | hang on |
| 05:19.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | r15: or apt-file |
| 05:19.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg apt-file |
| 05:19.09 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
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| 05:20.52 | r15 | Kamping_Kaiser: Thanks |
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| 05:23.20 | oldtopman | Kamping_Kaiser: bit.ly/t96JnX |
| 05:23.34 | oldtopman | Kamping_Kaiser: Sory that this is taking me so long :S |
| 05:23.36 | oldtopman | Sorry* |
| 05:24.05 | Valtam | is away: I'm busy |
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| 05:24.40 | belak | Are there any easy-to-setup web-guis for making a debian box into a firewall? |
| 05:25.20 | confus3d | should just get smoothwall for that |
| 05:25.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | Valtam: please turn that off |
| 05:25.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | ebox might, not tried though |
| 05:26.00 | belak | confus3d: is it debian based, out of curiosity? |
| 05:26.03 | confus3d | no |
| 05:26.08 | confus3d | it's linux based, but not debian based |
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| 05:26.41 | confus3d | will probably be a lot quicker and easier than turning debian into a firewall |
| 05:27.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | oldtopman: looks like ftp.us is feeling unhealthy. try again in 6 hours, or try a different mirror |
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| 05:27.15 | oldtopman | :D |
| 05:27.17 | xwalk | Just out of curiosity, is there an alternative to the gnome-power-manager as far as battery monitoring? |
| 05:27.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | oldtopman: i can't retrieve the file with wget or in a web browser |
| 05:27.18 | confus3d | belak: if you're insterested http://www.smoothwall.org/get/ |
| 05:27.34 | oldtopman | Kamping_Kaiser: Thanks! |
| 05:27.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | oldtopman: np :) |
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| 06:50.12 | iluminator101 | On my workstation i have to always do udisks --mount /dev/sdb1 it does not auto mount why is this? |
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| 06:56.43 | savr | my memory is forgetful today |
| 06:56.51 | savr | how do I check cpu load |
| 06:56.55 | savr | from cli |
| 06:57.07 | dioz | uptime |
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| 06:58.06 | savr | thanks |
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| 06:58.35 | kingsley | The "top" command. |
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| 07:04.31 | [delphi] | … |
| 07:05.24 | savr | yeah |
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| 07:06.18 | savr | the cheap stuff screws with my mind |
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| 07:07.39 | m4sker | #join #ubuntu |
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| 07:13.01 | I386 | Русские научите в привате как ставить гребаные пакеты на дебиан 4 часа уже трахаюсь сижу :( |
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| 07:23.22 | jelly-home | !ru |
| 07:23.23 | dpkg | eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 07:24.03 | Delaya | Does anyone know why when I reverse search in the terminal, sometimes a command just dissapears from the search and its entry in <history> just becomes a wildcard? |
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| 07:33.34 | mah454 | Please view this : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=4547668#post4547668 |
| 07:33.58 | mah454 | view last post ! |
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| 07:48.09 | nickaugust | my entire ISPs block is on a spam block list so i need to proxy my outgoing mail through my linode slice. whats the simpliest way to do this? most SMTP specific packages I've found are spam filters and seem to be focused on incomming mail. any ideas? |
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| 07:49.32 | nickaugust | um postfix btw |
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| 07:51.21 | ompaul | nickaugust: you set up your linode to be a nicksdomain.com (which is how you should be anyway cos it is way cooler) then you tell it that your home computer (which connects over openvpn) is allowed to talk to the outside world and away you go, then you put your existing name in the from and reply to fields and send out over a box and you need to say hosts allowed there though "my networks" and there are many good references to setting up email on |
| 07:51.23 | ompaul | postfix that are way more detailed by |
| 07:51.28 | ompaul | s/by/thank irc |
| 07:51.40 | ompaul | s/thank irc/than irc/ |
| 07:51.58 | ompaul | stops typing before the typo police see I'm not coffeed yet |
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| 07:55.37 | nickaugust | ompaul: hm interesting idea. a couple things though my 'home computer' (acutally office server) is acting as the gateway for the rest of the network already is that going to affect the ability to do openvpn to the linode slice? im trying to imagine how to direct just the mail server traffice over the vpn |
| 07:55.51 | dokma | I've just installed 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 kernel on a production server. Is there a way to tell grub to try to boot it just once? So that if that boot fails, on the next reboot it would just boo the current workin kernel and I could minimize the downtime damage. |
| 07:55.52 | nickaugust | hm |
| 07:56.00 | dokma | abrotman: ??? ^^^^ |
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| 07:56.40 | dokma | found it in the grub manual |
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| 08:10.09 | dokma | is grub still configured in /boot/grub/menu.lst ?? |
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| 08:11.48 | gnarface | dokma: current version - no |
| 08:12.06 | gnarface | dokma: if you upgraded from lenny though you might not be using it yet |
| 08:12.06 | dokma | gnarface: darn, what do I need to read? |
| 08:12.15 | dokma | yeah, I upgraded |
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| 08:12.32 | dokma | and it's a production server so I can't afford mistakes or downtime |
| 08:12.39 | gnarface | dokma: sorry i don't know the new system yet but the configs are i /etc/grub.d/ |
| 08:12.51 | dokma | gnarface: thanks man |
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| 08:13.33 | gnarface | dokma: no problem. also see /etc/default/grub |
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| 08:18.57 | valdyn | dokma: we dont know if youre using "current" (grub2) or grub |
| 08:19.09 | dokma | I just updated to grub2 |
| 08:19.26 | valdyn | dokma: ok, thats probably more dangerous than a kernel upgrade |
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| 08:19.46 | dokma | any hints what to do if the machine does not boot? |
| 08:19.55 | dokma | it's a dedicated box sitting in a data center |
| 08:20.01 | dokma | access is only via ssh |
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| 08:34.21 | aidalgol | Since I upgraded my squeeze system to wheezy, libnotify notifications no longer appear. I'm using the Stump window manager. |
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| 08:34.44 | aidalgol | I have no idea where to begin troubleshooting this. |
| 08:35.26 | cthuluh | ~/.xsession-errors, perhaps |
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| 08:45.13 | aidalgol | cthuluh: Nothing new there after running notify-send. |
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| 08:50.57 | Delaya | Does anyone know why when I reverse search in the terminal, sometimes a command just dissapears from the search and its entry in <history> just becomes a wildcard? |
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| 09:01.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
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| 09:01.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | how do i get the coloring of my programming language back in emacs? |
| 09:01.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | it went all black and white on me.. |
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| 09:05.31 | gentz | Is it possible to link memcache to a mysql server. Or do you have to manually write a script to query the memcache then the database? |
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| 09:06.22 | rly | How do I add a language to KDE? |
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| 09:06.43 | rly | That is, not implement a language, but just such that I can use that to configure KDE applications. |
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| 09:11.48 | Delaya | Does anyone know why when I reverse search in the shell, sometimes a command just dissapears from the search <history> and is replaced by a wildcard? |
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| 09:16.35 | claw | exim4 keeps sending mails to root@mydomain but that address does not exist |
| 09:16.43 | claw | how to stop exim4 doing this ? |
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| 09:19.11 | ksk | exim4 supports rewriting |
| 09:19.22 | mah454 | How can install gnome-2.32 in Debian Stable ? (Squeeze) |
| 09:19.42 | ksk | claw: would be cleaner to edit it by application (where do mails come from?) |
| 09:19.57 | ksk | you can write an alias like "root: mail@tld.com" into /etc/aliases anyway |
| 09:20.15 | claw | i did that already |
| 09:20.23 | claw | but it keeps sending |
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| 09:20.36 | claw | i just flushed the spooler of exim and hope this stop now |
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| 09:24.40 | eadric | Hello |
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| 09:26.02 | eadric | Anyone here have experience with installing LibreOffice from Debian Backports under Squeeze |
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| 09:26.17 | JohnnyCache | hello, where can i find the apache crontab in debian? |
| 09:27.55 | cthuluh | look for /etc/cron*/apache2 |
| 09:28.58 | JohnnyCache | there is nothing with apache2 |
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| 09:30.10 | JohnnyCache | would a line like '*/5 * * * * www-data /usr/bin/php5 /var/www/glpi/front/cron.php &>/dev/null' work too? |
| 09:30.19 | JohnnyCache | in /etc/crontab |
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| 09:31.16 | nkuttler | JohnnyCache: man 5 crontab |
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| 09:31.58 | nkuttler | JohnnyCache: actually, man 1 crontab |
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| 09:32.53 | stack | hello, can someone tell me why wine is not on wheezy? http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=wine |
| 09:32.59 | simonlnu | JohnnyCache: you can also put that (sans the user) in www-data's crontab. crontab -e -u www-data |
| 09:33.30 | nkuttler | !dpkg why is wine not in testing |
| 09:33.31 | dpkg | wine is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=wine |
| 09:33.55 | stack | nkuttler: i'll take a look, thanks. |
| 09:34.13 | simonlnu | because it's not in sid either, at least not a recent version ;) |
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| 09:35.14 | stack | too bad |
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| 09:48.34 | somiaj | stack: it isn't difficult to compile wine from source on debian. If you install it in /usr/local just keep a copy of the source around os you can 'make uninstall' |
| 09:49.36 | stack | somiaj: it's easier to do a pinning, anyway I was just wondering about the approval process |
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| 09:52.20 | nkuttler | pinning? easy? yeah.. easy way to break a system |
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| 09:54.24 | stack | nkuttler: I've always used that and I have no problem :) , I also use backports when avaiable |
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| 09:54.44 | Delaya | Does anyone know why when I reverse search in the shell, sometimes a command just dissapears from the search <history> and is replaced by a wildcard? |
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| 09:54.52 | somiaj | using wheezy is already broken, though if you want bleeding edge debian might as well just run sid. |
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| 09:55.23 | nkuttler | oh well if you're on testing anyway... yeah |
| 09:56.14 | stack | I use squeeze |
| 09:59.01 | mah454 | i have this error : No package 'dbus-sharp-glib-1.0' found |
| 09:59.08 | mah454 | debian have not this package |
| 09:59.12 | mah454 | how can fix this ? |
| 10:00.33 | nkuttler | mah454: what did you do to get that error? |
| 10:00.54 | mah454 | nkuttler, compile banshee |
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| 10:02.47 | nkuttler | mah454: please, exact command you used + error |
| 10:02.48 | nkuttler | !paste |
| 10:02.48 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
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| 10:08.54 | mah454 | !dpkg |
| 10:08.55 | dpkg | dpkg is, like, the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
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| 10:13.23 | lapsusbrutus | is there any reason that when I update from squeeze to wheezy im getting pae kernel? It doesnt have enough ram to actually benefit from it. I believe pae makes system a little bit slower unless you run processes that needs lots of ram (am I correct?) |
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| 10:15.05 | Timmooo | Hey guys, i'm getting a Hash Sum mismatch error when trying to install a couple of packages? Any ideas why, this is my sources.list -> http://pastebin.com/hzDuqE7T |
| 10:15.25 | ksk | you did an aptitude update recently Timmooo? |
| 10:15.36 | Timmooo | Yup |
| 10:15.58 | lapsusbrutus | try from another countrys server? maybe? |
| 10:16.15 | Timmooo | Just did it again and some of them have Ign by them instead of Hit, which I didn't notice before |
| 10:16.18 | Timmooo | Does that mean anything? |
| 10:16.47 | lapsusbrutus | has happened to me too, fixed it to use en.servers instead of my own countrys |
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| 10:16.55 | Timmooo | Ah |
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| 10:17.11 | Timmooo | So i might just try changing them all them and see if it fixes it |
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| 10:17.30 | Timmooo | Trying to install php-mdb2-driver-mysql so wouldn't think it would be a problem with the package |
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| 10:18.08 | lapsusbrutus | hmm yeah, that would be strange i think |
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| 10:19.18 | Timmooo | I might actually change it to my local countries one then lol |
| 10:19.51 | Timmooo | My current one i think is .us lol |
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| 10:20.50 | Timmooo | Interesting, its now said i have 2 updates whereas before i had none |
| 10:20.55 | Timmooo | Oh well, hopefully this fixes it :) |
| 10:20.59 | lapsusbrutus | :p gl |
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| 10:21.57 | Timmooo | Awesome, thanks lapsusbrutus :D |
| 10:22.02 | lapsusbrutus | np :) |
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| 10:43.00 | freeka | hi there. is anyone here who made some experiences installing the last packages for gnome 3.2 from experimental, especially gnome-shell? or someone who made extensions run with gnome-shell 3.0.2? |
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| 10:45.21 | threadlock | some lenny->squeeze upgrades leave alot of old lenny packages, how do i find lenny packages that are not named something +lenny1 or +lenny2? |
| 10:45.37 | JaredKz | hey I'm having problems installing debian on a virtualbox within a debian OS... is this the right place? |
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| 10:46.59 | lapsusbrutus | JaredKz: yeah, probably :) |
| 10:47.33 | babilen | !tell threadlock -about not available |
| 10:48.30 | babilen | threadlock: "aptitude search ~o" will probably get them all though |
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| 10:50.03 | JaredKz | Well, I'm trying to install debian within virtualbox, but whenever I have to enter a keyboard command such as enter or ANY letter, I have to move my mouse out of the VM and then back into the VM before I can type 1 more letter or one more command... |
| 10:51.34 | technologov | JaredKz, then something strange going in your system... |
| 10:51.41 | technologov | VBox works here like a charm |
| 10:51.46 | babilen | JaredKz: That sounds like a vbox problem rather than a Debian one -- Does it happen with other operating systems/distributions as well? |
| 10:52.04 | JaredKz | babilen, never had a problems on Windows 7, but it just seems a little strange |
| 10:52.19 | technologov | Debian 6 - host + guest + 32+64 bit on both Debian's VBox 3.2.10 and latest VBox 4.1.6 |
| 10:52.25 | babilen | JaredKz: You mean with Windows7 running in virtualbox? |
| 10:52.26 | technologov | All work great |
| 10:52.34 | DelTree | sounds like a windows manager problem... |
| 10:52.37 | DelTree | -s |
| 10:52.47 | technologov | or X11 key map is wrong |
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| 10:53.06 | JaredKz | hmmm.... cos it lets me type 1 letter in at a time before it alt-tabs me |
| 10:53.11 | JaredKz | which is kinda strange |
| 10:53.13 | babilen | JaredKz: What is the host and which guests did you try? |
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| 10:54.17 | JaredKz | the host is Debian 6 and I am having problems with IPCop as well as Debian 6 that I'm installing at the moment |
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| 10:54.30 | technologov | Guest is also Debian 6 ? |
| 10:54.32 | JaredKz | I have xdm installed... |
| 10:54.37 | JaredKz | yes at the moment |
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| 10:55.13 | technologov | Definitely no problems here. Do you have default X11 keyboard settings (en-us) ? |
| 10:55.16 | technologov | KDE ? |
| 10:55.30 | technologov | (I test with en-us + KDE) |
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| 10:55.42 | technologov | And this is known to work |
| 10:55.44 | babilen | obviously the default ;) |
| 10:56.00 | JaredKz | I might install KDE just to see whether or not that solves the problem |
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| 10:56.18 | JaredKz | I'm trying to keep it as light as possible though... hence using XDM at the moment |
| 10:56.30 | technologov | JaredKz, plus test your physical keyboard -- make sure that 'alt' key is not pressed, etc... |
| 10:57.06 | JaredKz | well, it says mouse integration is supported |
| 10:57.11 | JaredKz | and I can't disable that for some reason |
| 10:57.56 | technologov | I can (with KDE). |
| 10:58.10 | JaredKz | must be something limiting it with XDM |
| 10:58.19 | technologov | mby |
| 10:58.27 | technologov | try with KDE. |
| 10:58.27 | JaredKz | I'll just install KDE then, might solve my problem |
| 10:58.50 | technologov | So we compare. |
| 11:00.40 | technologov | I happen to test Debian 6 and VirtualBox a lot. |
| 11:00.56 | JaredKz | you prefer KDE as a light solution? |
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| 11:01.05 | technologov | I always prefer KDE :) |
| 11:01.29 | technologov | Instead of 'light solution' - I just upg. hardware to match KDE. |
| 11:02.11 | JaredKz | fair enough |
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| 11:19.25 | technologov | JaredKz, u installing KDE now ? |
| 11:20.03 | JaredKz | technologov, just finished my vbox debian install, installing kde now |
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| 11:20.36 | technologov | I speak about host, not guest :) |
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| 11:21.09 | technologov | problem may be in both host and guest - both should run KDE for us to compare |
| 11:22.25 | JaredKz | I'm highly doubtful it's the virtual machine just because it shouldn't have a problem in just straight command prompt |
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| 11:22.54 | technologov | right. |
| 11:22.57 | JaredKz | I meant to say installing kde-core kdm on host machinenow |
| 11:23.24 | JaredKz | I'd be surprised if this didn't solve the problem |
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| 11:24.08 | technologov | again - there are 2 more places to check - physical keyboard (maybe some key stuck?) - and X11 keymap settings (I use en_us here). |
| 11:24.48 | technologov | X11 keymap - on both host and guest. |
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| 11:26.20 | eni23 | hey. does someone can help me with my touchscreen. i dont really know which model i have but seems like it does not require any special driver (in virtualbox and windows xp the device works perfectly whith the ms-hid-driver) but in debian it only touches at position 0,0 and clicks (=opens the debian application menu). please i mean it cant be that had seems like an default usb-hid-device |
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| 11:27.27 | technologov | Debian 6 supports USB tablet device |
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| 11:27.42 | mah454 | !deb |
| 11:27.42 | dpkg | Debian .deb packages are a special form of <ar> archive which can be unpacked with "ar x pkg.deb". Inside the file control.tar.gz are conffiles, installation scripts, and a file "control" which contains the information shown with "apt-cache show pkg". Dependencies can be changed by editing this file. Install the dpkg-dev package and read "man 5 deb" for more details. A better plan is to see <package recompile> <source package>. |
| 11:27.51 | mah454 | !deb vnc |
| 11:27.56 | technologov | your touchscreen is prolly compatible with standard USB tablet specifications |
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| 11:28.15 | eni23 | technologov: that does not really helps me. i have de device and it wont work correct |
| 11:28.51 | eni23 | technologov: its an all in one pos (cassier system) computer not a common crab tablet thing |
| 11:29.43 | eni23 | i googled and tried a lot i dont really found something. which xorg xdrver etc should i try? |
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| 11:32.20 | mah454 | what package install vncviewer in Debian ? |
| 11:32.39 | streuner_ | mah454: /msg dpkg search |
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| 11:34.08 | cesurasean | Can someone tell me why I can't phpmyadmin to work on this new squeeze updates??!!! It was working before! |
| 11:34.14 | claw | i added "root: me@domain.com" to my /etc/aliases but exim4 keeps sending mails to root@mydomain.com |
| 11:34.23 | claw | anybody can help me with that ? |
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| 11:34.53 | cesurasean | claw, are you trying to setup a catchall? |
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| 11:35.25 | cesurasean | claw, paste your /etc/aliases |
| 11:35.25 | petemc | claw: did you configure exim to deliver locally? if not, it wont look in /etc/aliases |
| 11:35.33 | eni23 | here is my lsusb -v: http://pastebin.com/520ac9NM |
| 11:35.33 | eni23 | here my hwlist: http://pastebin.com/HhdVdKtd |
| 11:35.33 | eni23 | here mx Xorg.log: http://pastebin.com/GqJuJUP1 |
| 11:35.33 | eni23 | the system is an tysso pos 5712 here is the manufacter link: http://www.barcode-manufacturer.com/pos_touchscreen/Product_POS_Terminal_System_POS-5700.html |
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| 11:36.07 | ksk | petemc: you say exim wont look into /etc/aliases if it sends/recieves emails from the net? that would not be true |
| 11:36.21 | claw | petemc, it uses smtp |
| 11:36.32 | ksk | s/would not be /is not |
| 11:36.34 | petemc | ksk: some of the debconf configurations the debian offers do not have a router to look in /etc/aliases |
| 11:36.34 | eni23 | dam the bot kicked me. ok here is the manufacter link: http://www.barcode-manufacturer.com/pos_touchscreen/Product_POS_Terminal_System_POS-5700.html |
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| 11:37.05 | eni23 | here is my lsusb -v: http://pastebin.com/520ac9NM |
| 11:37.14 | petemc | claw: when you configured exim, which configuration did you choose? |
| 11:37.17 | ksk | mhm, okay. i just use "internet" option from debconf, and it does take a look |
| 11:37.25 | cesurasean | what do i set as mysql $basepath=''; in the new squeeze for phpmyadmin? /usr/share/phpmyadmin/ ?? |
| 11:37.38 | eni23 | here my hwinfo: http://pastebin.com/HhdVdKtd |
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| 11:37.59 | claw | petemc, Internetserver |
| 11:38.06 | eni23 | and last but not least the xorg log: http://pastebin.com/GqJuJUP1 |
| 11:38.15 | petemc | claw: more specifically? |
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| 11:38.54 | claw | petemc, german debian here... it's the first option on dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 11:39.08 | petemc | claw: exim -d -bt root |
| 11:39.19 | petemc | pastebin the output of that |
| 11:40.50 | JaredKz | technologov, no problems after I installed KDE... I guessed it was some sort of corrupt or missing display driver or some sort |
| 11:41.06 | technologov | good :) |
| 11:41.19 | claw | petemc, http://pastebin.com/AhqhATiz |
| 11:41.32 | technologov | If you find the real problem - open bug vs. Debian's Xorg or vs. VirtualBox. |
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| 11:41.45 | JaredKz | rightio. |
| 11:41.54 | yfeldblum | so ... apt-cacher-ng is finicky |
| 11:42.05 | JaredKz | thanks for your help btw =) |
| 11:42.24 | technologov | JaredKz, Just I'm very long time VBox user, and try to ensure it works best with Debian :) |
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| 11:45.06 | cesurasean | can someone tell me why the new phpmyadmin in squeeze is doing this; You don't have permission to access /phpmyadmin/index.php on this server. |
| 11:45.06 | eni23 | none with my usb-touchscreen problem |
| 11:45.40 | petemc | claw: it is not looking in /etc/aliases as the domain matches the relay_to_domains route |
| 11:45.43 | petemc | r |
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| 11:46.03 | claw | so how to solve my problem ? |
| 11:46.19 | cesurasean | petemc, do you mind helping me old friend? :) |
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| 11:48.00 | petemc | claw: you could run dpkg-reconfiure exim4-config again and when it asks for a list of domains to relay for, do not enter mydomain.de |
| 11:48.17 | petemc | cesurasean: i dont use phpmyadmin, sorry |
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| 11:49.30 | zealiod | whats the channel for debian server admins? |
| 11:49.44 | petemc | zealiod: if they want support, this one |
| 11:50.01 | claw | petemc, now its sends mails to root@empty |
| 11:50.25 | petemc | claw: you must have changed more than the one setting i suggested |
| 11:50.40 | zealiod | What tool can I use, to reveal a MACs VLAN Id - "arp" has the ip/mac/Iface - but I need the 802.11q ID |
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| 11:57.11 | afidegnum | hello good morning all, pls can you give me the correct link where i can download debian installation? I am confused here, I don't knwo which of the installations to choose since they all have 4.4 Gb |
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| 11:59.55 | digdilem_ | afidegnum, what's your hardware and is it connected to the internet? |
| 12:00.36 | afidegnum | well I currently have ubuntu, with i386 and willing to install debian on a virtualbox |
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| 12:00.44 | afidegnum | and currently connected to the internet |
| 12:01.27 | adb | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 12:01.41 | eni23 | hey noone with my touchscreen problem? i mean cmon!! (i allredy tried the elotouch and does not work) |
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| 12:01.48 | afidegnum | ok |
| 12:01.50 | adb | cd-1 is enough |
| 12:02.46 | afidegnum | there is 2 type of cd1, which one should i choose? |
| 12:03.50 | eni23 | um better use net-cd if you have fast interenet |
| 12:03.59 | afidegnum | I have fast internet |
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| 12:04.12 | eni23 | then use netinstall.iso |
| 12:04.18 | afidegnum | I am trying to download the dvd version |
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| 12:04.22 | eni23 | why? |
| 12:04.40 | afidegnum | I wanted to have the neccesary packages to start with |
| 12:04.52 | afidegnum | or is cd version enough? |
| 12:05.22 | eni23 | you will need to update a lob bettere use netinstall whic is actual packages everytime :) |
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| 12:06.34 | afidegnum | no, I just want to download it over time and later download the needed package I wanted to use |
| 12:06.41 | digdilem_ | afidegnum, even with slow internet, netinst is the better choice as you will only download what you need. Only exception is if you have many machines to install in a narrow timeframe |
| 12:06.41 | afidegnum | in fact just wanted debian server |
| 12:07.03 | eni23 | then netinstall is perfect for you. |
| 12:07.04 | afidegnum | oh, ok, give me the url for that |
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| 12:07.14 | digdilem_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.3-i386-netinst.iso |
| 12:07.27 | digdilem_ | 180mb vs 4.4gb. win |
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| 12:07.45 | eni23 | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 12:08.44 | eni23 | digdilem_: damn lost and not that good url than yours ;) |
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| 12:09.36 | eni23 | digdilem_: he could use netboot pxe-image. under 10mb really wins! |
| 12:11.12 | digdilem_ | heh |
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| 12:12.10 | eni23 | but you will need an running server and tftboot is not easy to set up |
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| 12:15.03 | eni23 | does netinst have an graphical installer? |
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| 12:16.36 | digdilem_ | don't think so |
| 12:16.41 | digdilem_ | but icbw, never used one |
| 12:17.42 | acemi | eni23: http://spamexperts.com/wiki/images/5/53/Debian_setup_1.png |
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| 12:18.40 | digdilem_ | i was wrong :) |
| 12:19.02 | acemi | i never used too |
| 12:19.13 | serega_by | Hi all |
| 12:19.26 | serega_by | how to install capt driver in debian ? |
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| 12:21.56 | serega_by | I follow this http://radu.cotescu.com/how-to-install-canon-lbp-printers-in-ubuntu/ |
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| 12:22.21 | serega_by | But it isn't working |
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| 12:25.17 | serega_by | i have canon printer LBP6000 |
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| 12:35.23 | eni23 | acemi: digdilem_: never use it too and the pxeboot doesent even have this |
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| 12:55.20 | impaktor | Is it possible to do: dd if=debian_DVD.iso of=/dev/sdb where sdb is a FAT32 USB. What I'm thinking of is that a FAT system can't support file sizes > 4 GiB. |
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| 12:56.25 | ksk | if you do stuff like /dev/sdb it just overwrites the filesystem |
| 12:56.34 | ksk | (this is what you want, if you want to create a deiban install usbstick) |
| 12:56.52 | ksk | you dont specify a partition. |
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| 12:58.53 | impaktor | ksk: You mean I should do as I did above (i.e of=/dev/sdb) |
| 12:58.53 | DelTree | wispers "syslinux"... |
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| 13:11.01 | aurelien | hi ... i have an error on aptitude update -> GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze-updates Release: The following signatures ware invalid: BADSIG .. but i have don't touch anything and all works before correctly. Any idea? |
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| 13:13.37 | ksk | aurelien: there was someone here some hours ago having the same problem with us. |
| 13:13.40 | ksk | you may use another mirror |
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| 13:14.00 | aurelien | ok thanks for the confirmation ksk |
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| 13:16.52 | abrotman | aurelien: you can always try another mirror or wait til tomorrow and try again |
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| 13:17.18 | xp | always curious to know, why nginx is not included in to the official repository |
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| 13:18.30 | abrotman | it is |
| 13:18.38 | abrotman | judd: info nginx |
| 13:18.40 | judd | Package nginx (httpd, optional) in squeeze/i386: small, but very powerful and efficient web server and mail proxy. Version: 0.7.67-3; Size: 330.5k; Installed: 780k; Homepage: http://nginx.net |
| 13:18.46 | abrotman | havea nice day! |
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| 13:19.46 | xp | abrotman, then why many people use http://www.dotdeb.org/ |
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| 13:22.09 | nkuttler | xp: says who? |
| 13:22.37 | nkuttler | xp: and nginx is in the repos... |
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| 13:22.57 | xp | allow me to clarify: I use some scripts to install LEMP, and they all use dotdeb.org repository |
| 13:23.03 | xp | maybe it is newer? |
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| 13:23.27 | nkuttler | wtf is lemp? |
| 13:23.35 | abrotman | xp: okay .. anyone using dotdeb is going to have massive problems .. those packages are *awful* |
| 13:23.51 | nkuttler | xp: if you oneed something more recent check out backports |
| 13:24.03 | nkuttler | i have like 1.1 nginx or something |
| 13:24.04 | abrotman | dotdeb usually result in a broken machine |
| 13:24.20 | xp | nkuttler, http://www.linode.com/stackscripts/view/?StackScriptID=41 |
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| 13:24.50 | xp | abrotman, nkuttler: lighttpd or nginx, which one shall I choose? |
| 13:25.00 | nkuttler | xp: that's user-contributed content. they could write anything..# |
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| 13:25.36 | abrotman | xp: for what?! I have zero idea what you're doing .. i generally use apache |
| 13:25.38 | nkuttler | is lighty still maintained? anyway, nginx was far more active last time i checked |
| 13:25.55 | nkuttler | xp: yeah, if you want to do php just use apache |
| 13:26.01 | ksk | xp: if theres no need for you to have an package/software newer than the ones shipped with stable why take the risk of this 3rd party repo?? |
| 13:26.36 | xp | ksk, I want to save the hassle to install and configure manually. so I use these auto scripts |
| 13:26.44 | ksk | and yes, if you want to run a "webserver" or a "website" just take apache |
| 13:27.00 | ksk | xp: you may buy an webhosting product :> |
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| 13:28.27 | nsadmin | and then pay major bucks every time you want it altered... and, if you're making money on the site,it might be worth it to do just that |
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| 13:30.41 | xp | just a wordpress blog. |
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| 13:31.23 | xp | on a related issue: I pointed A record to both www and @ in the domain control panel. |
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| 13:31.37 | nsadmin | you're going to want to at least customize its look |
| 13:31.40 | xp | when I visite www.example.com, the site is forbidden. but example.com is fine |
| 13:32.03 | ksk | xp: there is no "domain control panel" in debian. ask your hoster :P |
| 13:32.13 | nsadmin | you should make it so that www. does everythiung and example.com forwards to www. |
| 13:32.23 | xp | nsadmin, still A record? |
| 13:32.36 | nkuttler | xp: also check your apache error log. sounds like a misconfigured vhost |
| 13:32.51 | nsadmin | you would make the web server do that |
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| 13:33.35 | nsadmin | that is, make the web server forward example.com and maybe all *.example.com except www. to www. |
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| 13:33.50 | nsadmin | think about cookies |
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| 13:34.22 | xp | ok. I think manual configuration is better. |
| 13:35.09 | roe | Does anyone know why mdadm --monitor would be using ram as if it were firefox? |
| 13:35.13 | nsadmin | a lot of this web stuff are solved problems |
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| 13:36.04 | nsadmin | and BELIEVE ME you want solved problems, NOT to reinvent yourself... unless you're trying to really get in there and figure everything out |
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| 13:36.44 | nsadmin | which is not a bad endeavor, but it's as much of a job as doing all this active web stuff itself, incl learning curve |
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| 13:42.26 | tmartiro | hi folks |
| 13:43.12 | tmartiro | could anybody help me . i need calculate current bandwitdth on eth0 using ansi c |
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| 13:43.40 | tmartiro | is there any link where i can read |
| 13:43.48 | babilen | tmartiro: ##c might be more appropriate |
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| 13:44.02 | benjamindees | I'm looking for an easy way to create a simple presentation from a multi-layer image |
| 13:44.16 | tmartiro | babilen: i can't enter to that channel |
| 13:44.31 | abrotman | benjamindees: what? |
| 13:44.46 | abrotman | tmartiro: /msg nickserv help |
| 13:44.51 | babilen | tmartiro: You have to register your nickname -- /msg nickserv help register |
| 13:45.22 | tmartiro | babilen: 10x |
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| 13:46.18 | benjamindees | abrotman, looking for a simple presentation software, that I can input a multi-layer image and click through different combinations of layers |
| 13:47.15 | abrotman | benjamindees: hrm .. wouldn't you do that with like PNGs and some transparency using something like OO Impress ? |
| 13:47.20 | abrotman | really doesn't know |
| 13:47.53 | benjamindees | I didn't know PNG supported layers |
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| 13:48.18 | DelTree | 4 |
| 13:48.22 | DelTree | oops... |
| 13:48.26 | abrotman | benjamindees: that's not what i said :) |
| 13:48.46 | benjamindees | well, then no I wouldn't do it that way :p |
| 13:48.55 | abrotman | benjamindees: create an image from each layer .. use transparency on each image .. stack them in Impress |
| 13:49.15 | nkuttler | benjamindees: html5slides is nice.. but no idea about layered images |
| 13:49.16 | benjamindees | yeah that's what I'm trying to avoid |
| 13:50.04 | abrotman | ah okay |
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| 13:50.31 | abrotman | benjamindees: well .. you might do better to ask the channels for those presentation apps if they'd support that |
| 13:52.10 | jsoft_ | Any alternatives to firefox (and still have the youtube powers) |
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| 13:52.25 | jsoft_ | Im finding after like 40 tabs or so it starts being rather slow |
| 13:52.45 | benjamindees | I've tried chrome a few times but I simply hate it |
| 13:52.58 | abrotman | jsoft_: you mean alternatives to gecko ? |
| 13:53.16 | jsoft_ | if gecko means whatever firefox is based on, yes |
| 13:53.28 | abrotman | what is your WM ? |
| 13:53.36 | jsoft_ | abrotman: erm... xfce |
| 13:53.48 | abrotman | you can try epiphany .. it's webkit based |
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| 13:54.15 | benjamindees | jsoft_, use windows instead of tabs... Linux is better at handling multiple instances than FF is at handling multiple tabs |
| 13:54.38 | jsoft_ | benjamindees: I end up with like 5-10 windows with 5-10 tabs in each |
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| 14:00.11 | benjamindees | powerpoint is probably the last useful program MS still produces |
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| 14:17.55 | benjamindees | magicpoint / pinpoint look promising |
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| 14:23.44 | Arrick | hey all, I am trying to find which ports have been opened up on my external IP address (not the one I am logged in from) and I need to use my offsite debain box to check it, but I cant remember what to use to hit it... can anyone remind me? |
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| 14:24.07 | ksk | Arrick: nmap |
| 14:24.34 | Arrick | I there isnt any kind of telnet to check for individual port connections? |
| 14:24.48 | technologov | The best Linux distro of 2011! - Debian got a Gold Medal: http://tuxradar.com/content/best-distro-2011 |
| 14:24.58 | CissWit | Arrick: telnet or nc is fine |
| 14:25.08 | ksk | you want to check open ports of a host? use nmap (or any other portscanner) |
| 14:25.14 | abrotman | Arrick: roughly nmap does that .. but netstat is probably a better way to check |
| 14:25.40 | abrotman | nmap from a remote system (which is how you'd want to check) can be blocked by any number of things in between |
| 14:25.43 | Arrick | thats what i needed abrotman thanks |
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| 14:29.46 | Shuro | Hi there, hope someone can help me, iam searching a Network-Simulator for Linux. Wanted to test Network-Konfiguration with special VLAN-Support (GVRP, for example), i only know Cisco Packet Tracer, but that is no very good software |
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| 14:32.19 | bmomjian | How do I know which SATA drives are hot-swapable by Debian? |
| 14:32.58 | abrotman | isn't that a controller question ? |
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| 14:33.10 | bmomjian | I actually don't know. |
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| 14:33.37 | colo-work | it is both a controller and a driver question. |
| 14:33.43 | bmomjian | the server I have says "6 SATA hot-swap drive bays". Is that all Debian needs? |
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| 14:34.08 | colo-work | bmomjian, nopaste the output of `lspci -nnk` somewhere |
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| 14:35.54 | bmomjian | here is the output: http://momjian.us/tmp/lspci.out |
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| 14:36.38 | roe | if I wanted to submit a feature request for aptitude should I use reportbug? |
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| 14:37.20 | nvz | roe: you could, file as priority wishlist |
| 14:37.49 | roe | ah, good call |
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| 14:39.05 | abrotman | roe: exactly, wishlist bug .. patches welcome :) |
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| 14:40.31 | roe | not sure about the patch, but the bug I can file |
| 14:41.00 | babilen | roe: What are you missing? |
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| 14:42.13 | roe | babilen, an option to attach pre-install and/or post-install notes to packages |
| 14:42.45 | roe | it becomes especially handy when more than one person is sys-admining the box |
| 14:42.46 | babilen | roe: What are these "notes" ? |
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| 14:43.50 | roe | there are numerous packages that through either a quirky configuration or broad dependencies it is helpful to remind the updater of something before or after they update a specific package |
| 14:44.30 | benjamindees | I'm guessing these are not custom packages |
| 14:44.34 | babilen | roe: Ah, something like custom apt-listchanges? |
| 14:44.46 | roe | benjamindees, correct, not custom packages |
| 14:44.59 | roe | call it a lazy man's wiki for updating |
| 14:45.04 | babilen | hehe |
| 14:45.16 | roe | I don't want notes from the packager, I want to add notes for myself |
| 14:45.28 | abrotman | ... |
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| 14:45.50 | benjamindees | I guess you could modify the package though |
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| 14:46.32 | benjamindees | where do you envision these 'notes' living? |
| 14:46.46 | roe | I don't know |
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| 14:47.04 | roe | I don't know enough about the aptitude/apt framework to answer that intelligently |
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| 14:54.56 | bmomjian | Is this lspci output sufficient for hot-swapping? http://momjian.us/tmp/lspci.out |
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| 14:58.36 | qmr | Hey, any recommendations for a CLI torrent client? rtorrent goes zombie and 100% CPU too often,... think it is because of my encrypted /home .. any other suggestinos ? |
| 14:59.11 | ajikeshi__ | qmr, never happened for rtorrent at my machine |
| 14:59.11 | micols | or because it hash to check hashes of all your torrents |
| 14:59.25 | petemc | qmr: btlaunchmanycurses |
| 14:59.29 | micols | it happens for me when it is checking hashes only |
| 14:59.51 | ajikeshi__ | qmr, maybe torrentflux |
| 15:00.05 | ajikeshi__ | not exactly cli... it uses a web interface |
| 15:00.10 | micols | encrypted home can make your cpu be used 100% if you write/read a lot at a time |
| 15:00.16 | babilen | qmr: transmission |
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| 15:00.26 | micols | especially xts encryption or such .. blowfish is the fastest |
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| 15:00.48 | micols | if I write 70MB/s my 3ghz uses 100% cpu with xts-aes encryption |
| 15:00.59 | ajikeshi__ | qmr, but.. i think almost every open source torrent cli client uses libtorrent.. so it wouldnt be different from rtorrent |
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| 15:01.25 | micols | you should be able to tell if kcryptd uses the cpu i.e. |
| 15:01.33 | vtts | ajikeshi__, LibTorrent != libtorrent |
| 15:01.56 | ajikeshi__ | vtts, there is more than one project with that name? |
| 15:02.00 | vtts | yes |
| 15:02.07 | DammitJim | what do you guys recommend for video editing software? |
| 15:02.08 | ajikeshi__ | didnt know that... thx |
| 15:02.14 | ajikeshi__ | DammitJim, openshot |
| 15:02.24 | DammitJim | on linux? I have a 30 minute video I need to cut into 4 pieces |
| 15:02.30 | ajikeshi__ | DammitJim, avidemux :D |
| 15:02.37 | DammitJim | ajikeshi__, is there a GUI for it? |
| 15:02.50 | ajikeshi__ | DammitJim, for what? |
| 15:03.02 | DammitJim | for the video editing |
| 15:03.24 | ajikeshi__ | yes... avidemux is used to recode and change the video... and with openshot you edit it |
| 15:03.33 | ajikeshi__ | openshot looks kinda like adobe premiere |
| 15:04.05 | DammitJim | so, I don't need avidemux if I'm just cutting pieces of a video, right? |
| 15:04.23 | ajikeshi__ | probably not |
| 15:04.31 | ajikeshi__ | but avidemux is more lightweight imo |
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| 15:04.48 | ajikeshi__ | just take a look at both.. and choose whatever fits your purpose better :D |
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| 15:06.50 | benjamindees | roe, mkdir /tmp/foo; cd /tmp/foo; ar x package.deb; tar -xzf control.tar.gz; nano postinst |
| 15:06.53 | mlmillion | does anyone know that status of fto.us.debian.org, in regards to running apt-get update? |
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| 15:07.00 | benjamindees | roe, substitute your package for 'package.deb' |
| 15:07.03 | mlmillion | its failing |
| 15:07.16 | benjamindees | roe, put your notes in postinst with 'echo' |
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| 15:07.33 | benjamindees | roe, package it back up using these instructions: https://synthesize.us/HOWTO_make_a_deb_archive_without_dpkg |
| 15:07.51 | roe | benjamindees, sure, and I have to maintain a list of packages with the notes I have added so that when there is a new version I can repackage it |
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| 15:07.59 | benjamindees | yes |
| 15:08.17 | roe | we seem to have lost the forest for the trees |
| 15:08.28 | mlmillion | this is from a brand-new install, here is the msg that's returned: Err http://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze-updates Release: W: A error occurred during the signature verification. |
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| 15:08.45 | nkuttler | roe: that sounds like a very cumbersome way of documenting things |
| 15:09.06 | nkuttler | s/very/extremely/ |
| 15:09.06 | CaptainKnots | how do I install the latest transmission (2.42) on testing? |
| 15:09.07 | bmomjian | what type of filesystem is /sys? sysfs? |
| 15:09.11 | roe | nkuttler, I agree |
| 15:09.25 | mlmillion | geeze i can't type. the URL is ftp.us.debian.org |
| 15:09.27 | nkuttler | bmomjian: use mount |
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| 15:09.46 | bmomjian | I want so exclude it from /find |
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| 15:09.59 | nollidj | bmomjian: that's what mount says for right now |
| 15:09.59 | nkuttler | roe: can't you use a wiki, public documents or anything? repackaging to add notes sounds wrong |
| 15:10.31 | bmomjian | ah, I see it via mount -v now, thanks; mount alone does not show it; thanks |
| 15:10.40 | roe | nkuttler, it was not my suggest to repackage |
| 15:10.46 | roe | I think it is a kludge |
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| 15:11.04 | benjamindees | yeah well good luck getting that feature added to aptitude |
| 15:11.08 | yeled | anyone know if reprepro can keep old version of packages without deleting? |
| 15:11.22 | nkuttler | roe: like babilen said.. check out apt-listchanges. you can probably hook into the install process, get a list of packages and check against your doc database, wherever that is |
| 15:11.23 | roe | nkuttler, this conversation started because I am submitting a wishlist bug to allow aptitude to handle pre/post install notes |
| 15:11.25 | nollidj | roe: is it worth wrapping something around aptitude locally, so that you are automatically asked to make messages? |
| 15:11.36 | nollidj | like a script called annotated-apt or something |
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| 15:11.46 | roe | nollidj, that is more realistic |
| 15:11.56 | nollidj | then you can throw your messages into whatever store you want, make it queryable, etc. |
| 15:12.02 | benjamindees | you're seriously wanting this for a single system? |
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| 15:12.12 | roe | no I want it for the 20 systems |
| 15:12.21 | johndoe | im using squeeze (stable). how can i pull just one package from wheezy (testing), namely iceweasel? |
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| 15:12.32 | roe | but the notes are system specific |
| 15:12.42 | nollidj | roe: it might be something you've looked at, but have you considered configuration and deployment managers like puppet, chef, and capistrano? |
| 15:12.47 | yeled | johndoe, google apt-pinning |
| 15:12.53 | nollidj | just taking a stab at what you're trying to deal with |
| 15:13.05 | roe | nollidj, yes, we have and are. |
| 15:13.10 | nollidj | ok |
| 15:13.18 | nollidj | if you have 20 machines, all different, the overhead of managing that stuff for each one would be a pita |
| 15:13.25 | nollidj | i can see the utility of what you're suggesting |
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| 15:13.34 | nkuttler | roe: btw, yeah, you can write a simply python script to do that. /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20listchanges:DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs etc |
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| 15:13.54 | roe | nollidj, thank you, you're the first to say so |
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| 15:16.20 | qmr | micols: no, it's rtorrent using 100% cpu, and can't be killed. the FS encryption isn't really an issue |
| 15:16.56 | petemc | i used to get that using fuse to write to ntfs |
| 15:16.59 | nkuttler | qmr: what do you mean it can't be killed? |
| 15:17.06 | qmr | DammitJim: kdenlive is absolutely AMAZING |
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| 15:17.23 | qmr | DammitJim: if you just need to cut into 4 pieces you could ues mplayer or mencoder |
| 15:17.26 | DammitJim | thanks qmr |
| 15:17.37 | DammitJim | wait, one can use mplayer???? |
| 15:18.03 | ajikeshi__ | DammitJim, you could even use vlc :D |
| 15:18.04 | qmr | DammitJim: yes. Just mplayer -ss and -es or whatever teh switches are |
| 15:18.05 | benjamindees | meh, I would maintain a repo for 20 systems anyways, so repackaging doesn't seem like a big deal to me |
| 15:18.18 | qmr | nkuttler: exactly what part of "can't be killed" is confusing you? |
| 15:19.00 | qmr | yea vlc has encoding stuff as well. though I find it faster and 'cleaner' to just use mencoder rather than click all the buttons to make vlc do something |
| 15:19.30 | nollidj | qmr: ugh. you're giving me flashbacks to doing dvd authoring with mplayer, transcode, and i don't remember what else on the command line in 2006. |
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| 15:20.00 | qmr | nollidj: hah. horrible memories surely |
| 15:20.01 | nollidj | i love mencoder when i know what i'm doing |
| 15:20.36 | qmr | pretty much every other time I use mencoder I have to spend 2-5 mins reading the manpage.. or I ask #mplayerhq (or whatever their channel is) how to do it |
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| 15:21.48 | micols | qmr: kill its parent then it can be killed |
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| 15:21.55 | dark-sun | hi people |
| 15:21.59 | micols | else just kill init lol |
| 15:21.59 | micols | :D |
| 15:22.04 | micols | (was a joke) |
| 15:22.12 | qmr | micols: yea, killing parent doesn't do it either |
| 15:23.01 | dark-sun | I'm facing a "missing plugin" issue while trying to convert my mpg file.. any idea? |
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| 15:23.34 | abrotman | !zombie |
| 15:23.35 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 15:23.43 | dark-sun | it says " - MPEG-4 AAC encoder - H.264 encoder" |
| 15:24.10 | mlmillion | i'm having issues with the squeeze-updates repository from a brand-new install. apt-get fails to retrieve the package list, then when apt-get finishes downloading it fails the signature verification, with this error: W: A error occurred during the signature verification. |
| 15:24.50 | mlmillion | would anyone know how to resolve this? it seems like ftp.us.debian.org is down but it isn't, i can navigate to it using a web browser fine, although it takes a while to load... |
| 15:24.53 | johndoe | ok i just installed a package from backports. found out its the same version :S what did go wrong? |
| 15:25.08 | johndoe | im trying to get a newer version of iceweasel |
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| 15:26.31 | mlmillion | here is the full error: W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
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| 15:27.38 | mlmillion | would an admin of some sort know whats going on? |
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| 15:28.31 | abrotman | mlmillion: try another mirror .. |
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| 15:28.49 | abrotman | mlmillion: debian.org/mirrors/list .. choose one near you |
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| 15:28.57 | jaggz | How can I stop this spam?? http://prntscr.com/4kqy2 |
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| 15:29.23 | mlmillion | thanks i'll try that |
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| 15:30.27 | petemc | jaggz: there is no silver bullet to stop spam, but what you can do depends on your set up |
| 15:30.34 | jaggz | using postfix |
| 15:30.49 | jaggz | and I finally figured out how to get spamassassin in |
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| 15:35.36 | johndoe | im on squeeze. how do i install iceweasel version 8 instead of the version 3 which is the available one on squeeze? |
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| 15:36.25 | CissWit | johndoe: have a look at http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 15:36.31 | nokia | !list |
| 15:36.31 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 15:36.38 | nokia | !list |
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| 15:39.09 | cesurasean | anyone use the new phpmyadmin in squeeze? newest version in there? my config seems to have broke, and not so sure how to debug this. all im getting is this; #1040 Cannot log in to the MySQL server |
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| 15:43.31 | johndoe | CissWit: thanks man! :) |
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| 15:43.55 | dimaursu16 | hello |
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| 15:45.02 | dimaursu16 | can someone please help me with configuring git and gitorious? I rant in such trouble, that I cant use git anymore :( |
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| 15:48.35 | talexb | dimaursu16, I'm not sure that git needs much configuration; I might be able to help with that. |
| 15:49.05 | dimaursu16 | oh, thanks god |
| 15:49.06 | talexb | dimaursu16, For gitorious, you could check out #gitorious .. |
| 15:49.20 | talexb | And there's also #git, as you probably know. |
| 15:50.01 | dimaursu16 | talexb, on #gitorious everyone is silent...don't know why |
| 15:50.27 | talexb | dimaursu16, It's not used much .. I think the tool that's used more often is gitolite. |
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| 15:51.08 | Aprendiz | I have a samba server in a debian squeeze |
| 15:51.24 | dimaursu16 | talexb, I followed what was written in FAQ at gitorious, I made my ssh key, I uploaded it on gitorious |
| 15:51.38 | dimaursu16 | and here is what I get when trying to use git |
| 15:51.42 | Aprendiz | with getent passwd I can see all my users but with getent passwd user a couple of them are failing |
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| 15:52.15 | Aprendiz | same id user, but othe are working ¿is something of cache or what happen with nsswitch? |
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| 15:53.15 | dimaursu16 | talexb, http://paste.debian.net/148978/ |
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| 15:54.28 | talexb | dimaursu16, Check that you've uploaded the right key .. check that you're logging in as the correct user .. those are the things that come to mind. |
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| 15:54.58 | talexb | And by "logging in as the right user", I mean, typing in the passphrase that's appropriate for the user that's expected to be logging in. |
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| 15:57.56 | pmade | Last night I installed wheezy on a new workstation. Had to install 'firmware-linux-nonfree' to get it to boot due to this damn radeon 6870. Had a workign base system until I installed X. Now I get a black screen right after grub, monitors shut off, can't SSH into the box. |
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| 15:58.32 | abrotman | did you install fglrx ? |
| 15:58.37 | pmade | If I set radeon.modeset=0 and i915.modeset=0 I can at least get it to sshd |
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| 15:59.14 | pmade | abrotman: no, I haven't. Is that what most people recommend? The wiki said that the default drivers should work. |
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| 16:04.29 | pmade | At this point I'm more concerned with not having a framebuffer console at all. Then I can work on getting X going. Does fglrx also provide a framebuffer driver? |
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| 16:07.56 | nkuttler | pmade: hm, if the box freezes after grub it sounds like a kernel problem... i'd probably try to boot an older/different kernel first |
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| 16:09.14 | pmade | nkuttler: I think it's a module issue, or KMS. If I turn off modeset=1 then the kernel boots all the way, but I don't have a console (I can however ssh into the workstation) |
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| 16:10.32 | pmade | I suppose the next step is to install fglrx and see if that works. |
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| 16:11.16 | benjamindees | fglrx won't help your lack of console |
| 16:11.26 | benjamindees | only X |
| 16:12.18 | EmoSpice | Anyone using an Asus 1101HA? I'm seeing very strange ACPI issues, wherein ACPI will work for about an hour but will instantly freeze after that time and give me fake/stock information thereafter. I may have found a solution, but I'd like to see if anyone wlse has luck with it before I commit it online somewhere. |
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| 16:16.50 | pmade | Here's the kicker though, the console was workign untill I started installing packages to use X. Then after a reboot no more console. I have no idea how to figure out what's going on. |
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| 16:18.40 | acu | paste! |
| 16:18.46 | acu | !paste |
| 16:18.47 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://paste.pocoo.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>, <lodgeit.py>. |
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| 16:18.53 | nkuttler | pmade: are you sure you can't boot into single user mode? |
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| 16:20.32 | pmade | nkuttler: I'll have to try again, maybe I was doing it wrong. I added "1" to the end of the "linux" line in Grub, is that correct? |
| 16:21.36 | nkuttler | pmade: iirc debian kernels add a grub entry for single user mode |
| 16:21.52 | Amarande | pmade: are you quite sure it's not just that X is attempting to start up, fails, and causes the console to disappear and hang? |
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| 16:21.57 | nkuttler | dunno, i always added init=/bin/sh |
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| 16:22.36 | Amarande | I know the other day when I updated to 2.6.39 bpo and forgot to remove the nvidia X driver, the system would boot, then try to start X, and all I'd see then was a black screen with a blinking cursor and nonresponsive (didn't try to ssh in, hadn't installed sshd by that point anyway) |
| 16:22.47 | Amarande | pmade: try this: boot "recovery mode" from grub |
| 16:23.04 | Amarande | then, if that boots, go to /etc/init.d and do "chmod 644 gdm3" (presuming you're using gdm, which is normal for Debian) |
| 16:23.11 | Amarande | then reboot, and see if it boots all the way and you get TTYs |
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| 16:23.25 | pmade | Amarande: I've tried the "recover mode" from grub and it does the same thing. |
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| 16:23.46 | sinosoidal | hi. I want to make a simple debian package to install a simple tool that depends on Qt4 libs. In control file I have defined that it depends on Qt4 libs however, by the time i'm testing the package it says that the dependency could not be met. Question: How can I make the debian trigger apt to install the dependencies as well? Can't find that the documentation however I know that apt-get does that. If someone could enlight me. |
| 16:23.54 | Amarande | yeah, that sounds like a more serious kernel issue, then |
| 16:24.03 | pmade | I didn't install the "Desktop" option so unless one of the packages installed when I installed X set that up, it shouldn't be going right into X right? |
| 16:24.18 | acu | I have installed Debian Squeeze and Scientific Linux Ver 6.1 as dual boot - even I do a update-grub2 the Scientific Linux is seen on /dev/sda2 when I reboot the GRUB does not show it as option ? Does anyone have an ideea why ? Where should I look to solve this ? - If I look through GPARTED I can see the /dev/sda2 (where Scientific Linux is) with a lock - it means read only - how do I change its status ? Here is the paste from grub-2 |
| 16:24.19 | acu | update http://paste.debian.net/148982/ |
| 16:26.01 | pmade | Amarande: well crap then, I guess I'll try install squeeze instead of wheezy. |
| 16:26.17 | acu | I looked again /dev/sda2 is accessible - is just not mounted |
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| 16:26.44 | Ryccardo | What is the practical difference between [/usr]/[s]bin, apart from the search order? |
| 16:27.04 | Amarande | pmade: yeah, could be that wheezy is broken right now (it sometimes is, such is the nature of testing) |
| 16:27.20 | pmade | Amarande: I do have the black screen with a blinking cursor that is unresponsive, but I can SSH into the box and X isn't running. |
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| 16:29.09 | Amarande | Yeah, not sure what to do about that. |
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| 16:29.18 | Amarande | Except ... |
| 16:29.19 | Amarande | Did it TRY to start X? |
| 16:29.21 | os | hi |
| 16:29.37 | Amarande | That's what I'm wondering ... I know with me, that was caused when it tried to start X and failed |
| 16:29.41 | os | i have installed xen |
| 16:29.50 | Amarande | see if doing a chmod 644 on /etc/init.d/gdm3 lets you do anything |
| 16:30.03 | os | but i didn't find xend |
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| 16:30.18 | Amarande | that will very definitely prevent the machine from attempting to start X at boot (although it really shouldn't do that in recovery mode either ...) |
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| 16:31.46 | pmade | Amarande: the Xorg log file hasn't changed for several hours, so I don't think it's trying to start |
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| 16:32.26 | pmade | Amarande: and I don't have a /etc/init.d/gdb3, so that's not it. |
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| 16:32.38 | pmade | I guess I'm just going to have to install squeeze |
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| 16:33.01 | pmade | kicks himself for trying to use a Radeon 6870 |
| 16:33.12 | zealiod | how do I make sure arp -v yields the most current mac/ip pairings? |
| 16:33.17 | martianlobster | I just rented this server. I ordered a debian server. apt-cache isn't installed. yum is present. Is there a command that I can run, that will tell me that is debian server, for sure? |
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| 16:34.13 | nollidj | martianlobster: lsb_release -a may be informative |
| 16:34.19 | martianlobster | thanks |
| 16:34.59 | Amarande | pmade: if it's not even trying to start X it might even be your motherboard chipset support. what's your mobo? |
| 16:35.23 | Trewas | martianlobster: if dpkg is not present then it surely isn't debian, lsb_release (or /etc/debian_release) might tell something but they are trivial to fake |
| 16:35.38 | martianlobster | thanks |
| 16:35.46 | Amarande | unless ATI is starting to release video cards that don't even have text mode support at all and rely on always having a GUI OS ... that would be major ouch though and I haven't heard of any such yet |
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| 16:36.03 | Amarande | (besides, BIOS/UEFI configuration screens need text mode anyway ...) |
| 16:36.20 | martianlobster | no dpkg is there |
| 16:36.24 | martianlobster | I have the wrong box or somehting |
| 16:36.30 | zealiod | I want to find out which network device a max is currently connected to… arp holds multiple entries if a device as moved… how do I refresh? |
| 16:36.39 | lstarnes | martianlobster: and lsb_release -a says that it is debian>? |
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| 16:38.36 | os | but i didn't find xend in /etc/init.d |
| 16:38.40 | pmade | Amarande: right, that all works, grub works, the debian installer works, using the debian installer to go into recovery mode works. |
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| 16:39.09 | pmade | Except, now when I go into the recovery mode from the installer the blue background has black lines running through it, which also worries me that something got damanged. |
| 16:39.29 | pmade | But, maybe not, like you said, the BIOS screens all work. |
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| 16:43.45 | pmade | Thanks everyone for all the suggestions. I'll stop being a tard now and use squeeze. |
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| 16:44.59 | os_ | but i didn't find xend in /etc/init.d |
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| 16:45.01 | os_ | ? |
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| 16:48.53 | raz0 | is it possible to boot without a vmlinuz file (from grub?) |
| 16:49.07 | raz0 | or do I need a rescue disk now? :s |
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| 16:49.29 | nkuttler | raz0: if you mean booting without kernel... that's kinda tricky |
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| 16:50.03 | nkuttler | raz0: yeah, rescue disk, install a kernel |
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| 16:50.41 | Amarande | indeed - if you're missing the kernel ... what exactly did you plan to boot? |
| 16:51.52 | Sm0ke0ut | that's like driving without wheels |
| 16:52.36 | nkuttler | like... in a boat? |
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| 16:53.57 | Amarande | Sm0ke0ut, no, more like driving without an engine |
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| 16:54.35 | Dev0n | hey, is there a xmms-dev for squeeze ? |
| 16:55.19 | Sm0ke0ut | there is a xmms2-dev |
| 16:55.43 | Dev0n | hum |
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| 16:58.07 | abrotman | Dev0n: xmms is dead upstream, abandoned AFAIK |
| 16:58.11 | abrotman | xmms2 is not ... |
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| 16:59.31 | Dev0n | ahh too bad this thing I'm trying to install asks for |
| 16:59.31 | Dev0n | xmms-config :( |
| 16:59.37 | afidegnum | hello, I have isntalled debian minimal on my virtual box, but when I run it using startx, it's only a black screen with a mouse pointer that displays, nothing else appears, what is the cause and how do i fix it pls ? |
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| 17:00.08 | lstarnes | afidegnum: did you actually install a window manager or desktop environment then add it to your ~/.xinitrc? |
| 17:00.29 | lstarnes | afidegnum: or are you using a display manager like gdm? |
| 17:00.32 | afidegnum | hmm, I don't get that one, I just ran the installation from netinstall |
| 17:00.46 | afidegnum | after that a terminal is launched. |
| 17:00.50 | afidegnum | so I ran startx |
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| 17:05.10 | afidegnum | hello my pc got frozen i had to restart it, I couldn't get your last message |
| 17:05.12 | afidegnum | can you please repeat it ? |
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| 17:05.43 | abrotman | no one said anything |
| 17:05.58 | abrotman | did you install a WM? |
| 17:06.08 | afidegnum | no, I installed virtualbux |
| 17:06.12 | afidegnum | virtualbox |
| 17:06.23 | afidegnum | I am currently using ubuntu and I installed virtualbux into ti |
| 17:06.29 | afidegnum | in order to run debian |
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| 17:07.44 | gob_bluth | has anybody reported acpid breaking xen's startu pscripts? |
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| 17:07.58 | gob_bluth | insserv xend doesn't work for me, it spits out warnings, this is debian 6 |
| 17:08.31 | afidegnum | anyone has an answer to the issue pls ? |
| 17:08.42 | gob_bluth | man ins:q! |
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| 17:10.23 | lstarnes | afidegnum: what DE did you install? |
| 17:10.34 | afidegnum | netinstall |
| 17:10.45 | lstarnes | afidegnum: netinstall isn't a desktop environment |
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| 17:11.19 | afidegnum | I am told it has the minimal installation before I can upgrade it via online installation |
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| 17:12.57 | afidegnum | what else do I have to install for the desktop to display ? |
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| 17:13.14 | lstarnes | afidegnum: a window manager or desktop environment of your choosing |
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| 17:13.40 | born2troll | guys can anyone tell me wtf is going wrong? i wanna start red eclipse, sound is dieing and i get ALSA lib pcm.c:7223:(snd_pcm_recover) underrun occured |
| 17:13.54 | afidegnum | can you pls give an installation link pls ? |
| 17:14.12 | lstarnes | afidegnum: it depend son what dekstop environment or windoe manager you want |
| 17:14.16 | lstarnes | *depends on |
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| 17:15.37 | afidegnum | ok, suggest one which can eaily be used on virtualbox |
| 17:15.50 | lstarnes | any |
| 17:15.50 | born2troll | guys can anyone tell me wtf is going wrong? i wanna start red eclipse, sound is dieing and i get ALSA lib pcm.c:7223:(snd_pcm_recover) underrun occured |
| 17:16.58 | lstarnes | afidegnum: kde or gnome if you want a full desktop environment and aren't worried about the amount of disk space or ram needed |
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| 17:17.16 | lstarnes | afidegnum: xfce and lxde are smaller and don't have as many features but also work well |
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| 17:18.11 | lstarnes | afidegnum: you may want to check out http://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment |
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| 17:18.56 | zach23 | how can i get apt-get to auto remove packages no longer needed (from a lenny -> squeeze update)? |
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| 17:20.58 | born2troll | guys can anyone tell me wtf is going wrong? i wanna start red eclipse, sound is dieing and i get ALSA lib pcm.c:7223:(snd_pcm_recover) underrun occured |
| 17:21.32 | lstarnes | born2troll: you don't need to repeat so often. I have read your problem but I am absolutely not sure what the cause is or how to fix it |
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| 17:22.50 | jhutchins_lt | born2troll: Is this some game you're running in wine? |
| 17:23.30 | born2troll | no its redeclipse. running native on linux. i downloaded from sourceforge the linux version |
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| 17:25.05 | jhutchins_lt | born2troll: You might be surprised to learn how many people have no idea what "redeclipse" is. An astronomy program perhaps? |
| 17:26.07 | born2troll | jhutchins_lt its a FPS based on the cube2 engine http://www.redeclipse.net/ |
| 17:26.36 | jhutchins_lt | So what about other applications with sound? |
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| 17:27.26 | born2troll | everything else seems to work. well everything else is installed per apt-get and redeclipse is just downloaded extracted in ~ and started |
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| 17:34.17 | kurkale6ka | Hi, is there a way when I su or sudo su to keep my config files (meaning have the same environement as defined by my .bashrc)? |
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| 17:35.52 | abrotman | you mean your user's env ? |
| 17:36.02 | abrotman | instead of the user you su to ? |
| 17:36.04 | Ryccardo | kurkale6ka: `sudo -s` doesn't reset the environment, unlike `sudo -i`, `sudo -` or su |
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| 17:36.26 | kurkale6ka | Ryccardo: thx |
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| 17:39.07 | kurkale6ka | Ryccardo: doesn't work. I tried sudo -s su |
| 17:39.20 | Ryccardo | just use `sudo -s` |
| 17:39.21 | abrotman | wow .. |
| 17:39.26 | Ryccardo | it implies shell |
| 17:39.37 | abrotman | or have him read the man page ? |
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| 17:40.56 | kurkale6ka | Ryccardo: hmm, pretty cool, I wonder then in what case would I need sudo su -??? |
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| 17:42.05 | blubberdiblub | in no case? |
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| 17:42.47 | Amarande | I've practically never even used sudo, and I've used linux off and on for a decade + |
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| 17:43.10 | kurkale6ka | Can this be useful (sudo su -)? |
| 17:43.16 | lstarnes | kurkale6ka: probably never |
| 17:43.22 | lstarnes | usually sudo is all you need |
| 17:43.27 | lstarnes | or sudo -i or sudo -s |
| 17:43.27 | abrotman | blubberdiblub: not entirely true .. you may not have the root password but you may have the ability to su .. `sudo su - otheruser' |
| 17:43.41 | lstarnes | you can also use sudo -u otheruser -i |
| 17:44.00 | abrotman | blubberdiblub: not that i approve of such abuse! :) |
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| 17:44.23 | kurkale6ka | cheers guys |
| 17:44.30 | blubberdiblub | abrotman, good point. didn't think about that, since i've set up sudo here to require the root password |
| 17:44.39 | Amarande | apparently Ubuntu makes greater use of sudo than Debian ... I've not used Ubuntu myself, but have heard that it by default doesn't give you the root password |
| 17:44.45 | lstarnes | blubberdiblub: why would you do that? |
| 17:44.51 | Amarande | (which, really, to me is just something else to file under the "reasons never to use ubuntu" list) |
| 17:44.54 | abrotman | Amarande: Debian can be installed that way also |
| 17:45.04 | hpa | Amarande: that sounds like a good idea |
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| 17:45.14 | hpa | A single shared root password sucks |
| 17:45.24 | Amarande | how is not knowing the root password for your *own* box a good thing, though |
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| 17:45.34 | blubberdiblub | lstarnes, because it's more logical in my opinion. the password that corresponds to the correct authority |
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| 17:45.55 | abrotman | Amarande: you'd just set the root password with sudo .. not a brain killer |
| 17:46.23 | Amarande | abrotman: however, how is this better than setting it at install time - i.e., I don't see the purpose of the paradigm |
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| 17:47.03 | abrotman | Amarande: technically it means no one can login as root at all .. even at console .. |
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| 17:47.27 | lstarnes | blubberdiblub: but then what do you do when you need to revoke root access from someone? |
| 17:47.42 | valdyn | lstarnes: you cant safely revoke root access |
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| 17:47.46 | valdyn | lstarnes: thats a fucked up idea |
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| 17:47.58 | lstarnes | valdyn: you can revoke sudo access |
| 17:48.03 | abrotman | he said from someone |
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| 17:48.06 | valdyn | lstarnes: thats also a fucked up idea |
| 17:48.12 | blubberdiblub | lstarnes, i don't need to revoke my own root access. i'm the only person using my box |
| 17:48.17 | Amarande | lstarnes, once someone has had root access you must always assume they have it |
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| 17:48.56 | lstarnes | Amarande: I know that |
| 17:49.01 | valdyn | thinking of root as something thats revokable is broken |
| 17:49.03 | pablo | hi guys, what do yuo recommend me to use to solve non-empty-dependency_libs-in-la-file I am using http://pastebin.com/vyPqxtXp but it is not working |
| 17:49.09 | lstarnes | Amarande: but you can still restrict known ways of gaining root access |
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| 17:49.12 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 17:49.13 | dpkg | well, mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 17:49.25 | abrotman | lstarnes: security by obscurity ? :) |
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| 17:49.35 | abrotman | in this case .. insecurity |
| 17:49.36 | lstarnes | valdyn: I'm not talking about revoking root. I'm talking about revoking specific vectors to gaining access to the root account |
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| 17:49.50 | pablo | abrotman: was the mentors link for me? |
| 17:50.02 | abrotman | pablo: yes |
| 17:50.07 | lstarnes | I may have not been as clear as I should have at first and I apologize for that |
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| 17:50.56 | abrotman | suspects that will fail .. |
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| 17:51.51 | Amarande | hmm, can you just ban 129.42.208.179 or does that absolute-IP-ban trick not work on freenode ircd? |
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| 17:52.03 | abrotman | Amarande: he's beenb using more than one ip |
| 17:52.12 | lstarnes | Amarande: it works |
| 17:52.16 | abrotman | and now the ibm hostmask |
| 17:52.34 | Amarande | abrotman, that's what I meant, the feature that an IP ban works regardless of DNS or hostmasking |
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| 17:52.47 | Amarande | I know ircu2.10 has it but I wasn't sure about freenode |
| 17:52.51 | abrotman | but he changed IPs ... |
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| 17:53.03 | abrotman | the way I did it is the way to ban for any ip or hostmask |
| 17:53.13 | lstarnes | but what if he changes his nick? |
| 17:53.23 | Amarande | lstarnes, then I guess we'd just have to ban *!*@* |
| 17:53.29 | lstarnes | yay |
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| 17:54.22 | kurkale6ka | Ok, question. If I use su, then htt<tab> will try to complete but if I log with sudo -s it won't. Why? |
| 17:54.22 | abrotman | or in this case, go +r |
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| 17:54.36 | abrotman | kurkale6ka: no in your path ? |
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| 17:54.57 | lstarnes | or use sudo -i |
| 17:55.11 | kurkale6ka | abrotman: oh tight, it is not the root PATH... |
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| 17:55.55 | kurkale6ka | lstarnes: yes but the whole point is to have my environement |
| 17:56.16 | lstarnes | kurkale6ka: copy your .bashrc to /root? |
| 17:56.22 | Amarande | btw, does anyone here happen to know if there is a channel that might provide better support for abcde and friends? |
| 17:56.31 | kurkale6ka | lstarnes: not an option |
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| 17:57.01 | kurkale6ka | more than 500 servers and I already copy my config to my accounts lstarnes |
| 17:57.34 | Khmar | Thanks to some DNS resolution problems, when I did an apt-get update, the files in /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ are messed up when I did an apt-get update. The update keeps failing saying "ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_wheezy_InRelease doesn't start with a clearsigned message". How do I fix this? |
| 17:58.04 | lstarnes | usually there isn't a good reason to have root use a regular user's environment unless you're runing graphical applications. in whichc ase there are tools like gksudo and kdesu |
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| 17:58.26 | Amarande | Specifically: if a CD is not in freedb (or only provides artist and title info but not track titles), what format am I supposed to enter the track names etc. in in the text editor box that comes up when I say yes I want to edit the info? |
| 17:58.44 | Amarande | It just pops up a blank text editor, and there's nothing in either the abcde or cd-discid man pages about what format is wanted |
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| 17:59.16 | babilen | Khmar: You can move/remove /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp* and run "apt-get update" again |
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| 17:59.58 | Khmar | babilen: Looks like it has fetched the right files now that the DNS is cleaned up. Thanks. |
| 18:00.07 | kurkale6ka | there is a perfectly good reason be it to have my aliases amongs other things |
| 18:00.22 | Amarande | and sadly, this is a common occurrence in freedb. I think right now something about 30% of the discs I've tried to put through abcde have not had suitable data in freedb. |
| 18:00.53 | abrotman | Amarande: FWIW, i've been using jack |
| 18:01.19 | Amarande | abrotman: are you finding the freedb failure rate for your CD collection to be about as large, btw? |
| 18:02.28 | abrotman | Amarande: i had pretty darn good luck FWIW .. not sure what you listen to .. but even freedb had CDs by a friend of mine not really known more than a few hundred miles from where he lives now |
| 18:02.45 | abrotman | not all of his CDs .. but a fair number |
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| 18:03.56 | jhutchins_lt | Amarande: I would suggest trying some better known discs that have info in the database to get a template. |
| 18:04.17 | Amarande | Yeah, I haven't actually tried saying yes to editing one that's actually got info, maybe I should try that :) |
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| 18:04.36 | abrotman | Amarande: but i really liked using jack .. i was able to automate a fair portion of it, and it goes to many formats |
| 18:05.07 | abrotman | and ithelped that the DD used to be in this channel a lot (still idles) |
| 18:05.21 | Amarande | ah, it appears that jack is similar to abcde |
| 18:05.31 | Amarande | it's a pity I can't automate the "insert CDs into the drive" process. :) |
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| 18:06.03 | kurkale6ka | So abrotman, do you use sudo -s or do you copy your config files to your remote root accounts? |
| 18:06.26 | blubberdiblub | Amarande, build a robot out of lego or so ;) |
| 18:06.39 | jhutchins_lt | kurkale6ka: I mostly learn to work with the default configurations so I don't have to mess with stuff like that. |
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| 18:07.14 | kurkale6ka | jhutchins_lt: I can too but it is way more efficient to have my config |
| 18:07.22 | abrotman | Amarande: i did exactly that ... |
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| 18:07.32 | jhutchins_lt | kurkale6ka: It depends on what you think efficiency is. |
| 18:07.50 | abrotman | Amarande: i think the 'cdinfo' can tell you if there's a CD in the drive, then you kick off your bit |
| 18:08.17 | jhutchins_lt | kurkale6ka: Being able to work with any default linux installation gives me a lot more flexibility. |
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| 18:08.26 | Amarande | jhutchins: probably a good thing. particularly with the things on linux that don't work well when you try to override the defaults (alsa with wine applications comes to mind ...) |
| 18:08.35 | abrotman | Amarande: i don't have the script here, it's at home .. but if you're around next time i'm home, i'll get it for you |
| 18:08.57 | cwebber | what us the "right" way to setup iptables on debian? |
| 18:09.03 | Amarande | I ended up finally retiring my old Audigy SE card and switching to onboard audio this weekend due to the alsa/wine bit. |
| 18:09.06 | cwebber | ie were do I put my rules? |
| 18:09.16 | abrotman | whrever you like |
| 18:09.16 | kurkale6ka | jhutchins_lt: ex: lu -> ls -FB --color=auto -tu, which is faster to use? |
| 18:09.38 | abrotman | cwebber: wiki.debian.org/iptables |
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| 18:10.06 | jhutchins_lt | kurkale6ka: To be honest some of the aliases I used to set up routinely are now part of most Linux Distributions' defaults. |
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| 18:10.29 | jhutchins_lt | kurkale6ka: I'd make a macro for my console program. |
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| 18:11.20 | jhutchins_lt | kurkale6ka: Actually, I would learn to use the default output of ls instead. |
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| 18:11.32 | wildc4rd | good evening all! |
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| 18:11.54 | kurkale6ka | jhutchins_lt: I think costomizations are there for a reason |
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| 18:14.46 | jhutchins_lt | Funny thing is that the aliases that got adopted are things I don't use any more. |
| 18:15.31 | jhutchins_lt | kurkale6ka: This means I can start being productive immediately while you're still messing with your configuration. |
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| 18:22.25 | jamie920341 | Anyone having trouble with the ftp3.nrc.ca debian mirror? |
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| 18:26.02 | jhutchins_lt | jamie920341: What kind of trouble? |
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| 18:26.18 | jamie920341 | Ill put it on pastebin, 2s |
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| 18:26.30 | jamie920341 | http://pastebin.com/0MXMJgAZ 'W: Failed to fetch http://ftp3.nrc.ca/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/main/source/Sources.gz' |
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| 18:27.28 | ShinyDarkness | Hello. I want to migrate from squeeze to wheezy, what would be a better idea, to perform an upgrade or a clean reinstall? |
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| 18:27.45 | jamie920341 | jhutchins_lt I also can't download packages, or naviate the ftp at all |
| 18:27.46 | nkuttler | ShinyDarkness: upgrade |
| 18:27.59 | nkuttler | jamie920341: use a different mirror |
| 18:28.26 | jamie920341 | But this one is really fast! |
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| 18:28.33 | nkuttler | apparently not |
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| 18:28.58 | nkuttler | !tell jamie920341 about apt-spy |
| 18:29.06 | ShinyDarkness | nkuttler: Is there any way to replace every instance of "squeeze" with "wheezy" in my /etc/apt/sources.list without opening the file in a text editor? |
| 18:29.14 | jamie920341 | Now thats clever, thx nkuttler |
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| 18:29.35 | nkuttler | ShinyDarkness: sed.. though technically that's an editor |
| 18:29.41 | Posterdati | hi |
| 18:29.53 | ShinyDarkness | nkuttler: Okay, thanks. |
| 18:30.08 | Posterdati | I installed an embedded arm system with lenny, but I cannot mount swap at boot... please help! |
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| 18:31.23 | ShinyDarkness | What is the file /etc/apt/sources.list~ (note the tilde character) for? |
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| 18:32.00 | nkuttler | ShinyDarkness: looks like a backup file.. iirc emacs adds a tilde |
| 18:32.14 | ShinyDarkness | nkuttler: Ah! |
| 18:33.22 | jhutchins_lt | jamie920341: Looks like it's requesting log-in. That happens sometimes when the load is too high, or it could be a configuration error. Somebody's having a bad Monday. |
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| 18:40.12 | DSpair | Hello all... Need some help with SNMP/Disk usage stats. Anyone here got experience? |
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| 18:43.30 | pmade | So, just installed squeeze, base packages only + ssh, first boot is a blank screen with a flashing cursor. I can ssh into the box, now what? |
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| 18:44.38 | somiaj | pmade: when does the screen go blank, you see grub and the boot start then the screen 'changes resolutions' and goes blank? |
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| 18:45.11 | pmade | somiaj: as soon as grub goes away it goes blank, I see no boot messages. |
| 18:45.28 | pmade | I susspect my Radeon 6870 graphics card. |
| 18:45.55 | somiaj | pmade: I'd say look though /var/log/ and check the logs, tough you usually see a flash before the framebuffer takes over. |
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| 18:46.46 | pmade | somiaj: now that you mention it, I do see a flash, I get a sort of pop out of the connected speakers, then blank screen with no boot messages |
| 18:46.50 | LtL | pmade: try appending 'nomodeset' at the end of the boot line from the grub menu, hit 'e' to edit |
| 18:47.11 | somiaj | pmade: to me it sounds like a framebuffer issue. You could also modify /etc/default/grub and disable the graphical terminal. |
| 18:47.13 | LtL | pmade: that might get you a screen |
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| 18:48.07 | pmade | somiaj: I only have the base system installed, no X, will it still try to use a graphical terminal? |
| 18:48.13 | pmade | LtL: thanks, I'll try that. |
| 18:48.18 | jhutchins | I seem to recall having an issue where the consoles weren't starting (although X was), but in rebooting to figure out why it fixed itself. |
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| 18:49.12 | jhutchins | pmade: The framebuffer enables some graphical capabilities in console mode, things like font settings. |
| 18:49.17 | pmade | I was playing with wheezy last night and had to install firmware-linux-nonfree to get the framebuffer to work, but then after I installed X nothing worked, X or framebuffer |
| 18:49.20 | somiaj | well if its really a squeeze base system + ssh there should be no reason X is trying to start. |
| 18:50.08 | somiaj | pmade: framebuffers can conflict with the X drivers. So if you aren't using the radeon free drivers for X in that cad you'll want to disable the framebuffer anyways. |
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| 18:51.19 | jhutchins | somiaj: So the free radeon drivers don't use kms like the intel drivers do? |
| 18:51.49 | somiaj | jhutchins: they do. I'm saying if he doens't want to use the radeon free drivers (fglrx) he'll want to disable the kms |
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| 18:53.54 | GetsEclectic_ | so i got the nvidia binary driver working on this macbook pro, but it doesn't seem to have a VGA output for the mini dvi |
| 18:54.00 | GetsEclectic_ | it seems like the driver is working fine |
| 18:54.08 | GetsEclectic_ | direct rendering enabled and everything |
| 18:54.23 | pmade | LtL: no luck with "nomodeset", goes directly to a blank screen. |
| 18:54.31 | GetsEclectic_ | but when i try to put something on it with xrandr it says there's no vga output |
| 18:54.39 | pmade | Is there anything I should be looking for in the log files? |
| 18:55.09 | GetsEclectic_ | is there somewhere i can see the outputs that are working? |
| 18:55.15 | pmade | somiaj: How do I disable the graphical console? |
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| 18:55.27 | somiaj | pmade: have you tried to modify /etc/defult/grub and uncommon the thing it says to disable graphical terminal. |
| 18:55.38 | GetsEclectic_ | the wiki seems to think there should be an lvds output for the laptop lcd and a vga output for the mini dvi |
| 18:55.42 | GetsEclectic_ | but i don't see either |
| 18:55.44 | pmade | somiaj: no, sorry, doing tha tnow. |
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| 18:56.32 | somiaj | GetsEclectic_: what do you see, xrandr -q should show all possible devices (even if they aren't connencted) |
| 18:56.39 | GetsEclectic_ | ah thanks |
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| 18:57.14 | GetsEclectic_ | i see screen 0 which is my laptop lcd |
| 18:57.17 | GetsEclectic_ | but that's it |
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| 18:58.44 | GetsEclectic_ | i used the regular nvidiagraphicsdriver tutorial for setting it up |
| 18:58.46 | somiaj | GetsEclectic_: well you should see all of them, LVDS connencted, VGA-0 disconnencted and HDMI-0 disconnencted is what I have. |
| 18:58.51 | GetsEclectic_ | hm |
| 18:59.00 | GetsEclectic_ | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 18:59.09 | GetsEclectic_ | used that |
| 18:59.12 | GetsEclectic_ | seemed to work fine |
| 18:59.46 | GetsEclectic_ | used the simple xorg.conf that's like 3/4 of the way down that page |
| 19:00.11 | GetsEclectic_ | is there a better way to set it up? |
| 19:01.00 | sickgut | grandr? |
| 19:01.03 | somiaj | No, I just don't see why xrandr isn't seeing all the devices. |
| 19:01.09 | GetsEclectic_ | hm |
| 19:01.15 | sickgut | apt-get install grandr |
| 19:01.23 | sickgut | it will setup multimonitor |
| 19:01.24 | sickgut | or |
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| 19:01.35 | sickgut | apt-get install nvidia-settings |
| 19:01.37 | somiaj | could be the driver isn't seeing them or the driver is disabling them |
| 19:01.48 | GetsEclectic_ | i was thinking of trying nvidia-xconfig |
| 19:02.01 | GetsEclectic_ | but the tutorial suggested against it |
| 19:02.04 | somiaj | sickgut: grandr I don't see doing much good since xrandr isn't seeing them and it is just a front end. (: |
| 19:02.29 | somiaj | GetsEclectic_: the nvidia-settings tool for the non-free drivers is probabaly a good bet. See if it can see the other connenctions and just isn't enabling xrandr support for them. |
| 19:02.30 | GetsEclectic_ | i don't know a ton about how xrandr works, could it be an xorg.conf problem? |
| 19:02.38 | GetsEclectic_ | ok |
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| 19:04.03 | GetsEclectic_ | yeah i see both monitors in nvidia-settings |
| 19:04.12 | pmade | somiaj: I disabled the grapical console via grub, ran update-grub and rebooted. Now I see some random characters, "Loading Linux", more random characters, and a blinking cursor, no boot messages, no login prompt |
| 19:04.15 | somiaj | hmm, guess my nvidia gpu doesn't show the other connenctions with xrandr -q either, it might just be the non-free drivers don't have actual xrandr support |
| 19:04.19 | GetsEclectic_ | should work pretty easily then |
| 19:04.24 | GetsEclectic_ | thanks |
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| 19:05.59 | GetsEclectic_ | twinview or separate x screen? |
| 19:06.41 | somiaj | hmm, found a few articles in google dated last year saying the non-free nvidia drivers just don't have xrandr support. Guess that is still the case as even with the 290.10 version from squeeze there is still no full xrandr support |
| 19:06.52 | GetsEclectic_ | k |
| 19:07.17 | somiaj | twinview is nvidias prioporatary tool, seperate x-screen will use xineimera |
| 19:07.28 | somiaj | depending on your use you may find one more to your liking than the other. |
| 19:08.22 | somiaj | arg 290.10 version from sid (not thinking before I typed above) (: |
| 19:08.25 | GetsEclectic_ | twinview isn't actually working |
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| 19:08.45 | GetsEclectic_ | i'll try xinerama |
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| 19:09.10 | GetsEclectic_ | which means i am restarting x |
| 19:09.12 | GetsEclectic_ | thanks for the help |
| 19:10.17 | kfogel_ | Anyone know off hand if non-free drivers (e.g., Realtek wifi firmware) are "quarantined" in the kernel in such a way that they couldn't possibly access memory outside of data the kernel hands them to do their job? I'm trying to figure out how "trustworthy" a kernel is when non-free drivers are loaded, realizing the question is not completely well-formed. |
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| 19:10.41 | acu | Hey guys - I have what is supposed to be a dual booting testing machine - with Debian AMD 6.1 and RHEL6.1 - and since I installed Debian the GRUB does not show RHEL anymore - I know Debian installed GRUB2 and if i do update-grub2 it goes to an autoreconfiguration - and sees the RHEL but when I reboot the GRUB does not show RHEL - are there any writing issues - I should change ? _ I tried this with SL 6.1 and got the same results - any |
| 19:10.41 | acu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:10.59 | Zeranoe | does anyone know how to paste in xterm? |
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| 19:11.20 | somiaj | pmade: hmm I don't have any more sugestions, seems strange that it won't even deal with the basic console correctly. You are using ths stock 2.6.32 kernel from squeeze? |
| 19:11.34 | somiaj | Zeranoe: middle mouse button is default (just select something to copy it) |
| 19:12.02 | blubberdiblub | acu: install the package os-prober |
| 19:12.13 | ksx4system | anybody knows a good tutorial how to set up secure mail server with exim4, dovecot and as much data as possible kept in mysql database? |
| 19:12.21 | ksx4system | under Debian squeeze of course |
| 19:12.40 | Zeranoe | somiaj: If I'm on a laptop and don't have a middle mouse, is there any other way? |
| 19:12.43 | kfogel_ | Zeranoe: middle mouse button? |
| 19:12.52 | kfogel_ | Zeranoe: press right+left together |
| 19:12.58 | kfogel_ | Zeranoe: that often fakes middle |
| 19:13.20 | kfogel_ | Zeranoe: (actually, it has always done that for me -- seems to be pretty reliable) |
| 19:13.21 | acu | blubberdiblub, os-prober is installed and actually when I do update-grub2 - it recognizes the Scientific linux - or RHEL - but when I reboot - they do not show in grub |
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| 19:13.45 | Zeranoe | kfogel_: hmm, doesn't seem to be working |
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| 19:13.52 | pmade | somiaj: Yes, I haven't changed anything at all yet, just the base install. |
| 19:14.05 | blubberdiblub | acu, does the rhel entry show up in /boot/grub/grub.cfg ? |
| 19:14.05 | kfogel_ | Zeranoe: ah, durn, sorry. |
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| 19:14.55 | somiaj | pmade: you could try to install the 2.6.39 kernel from backports.debian.org -- though wonder if its a locales problem or something as to why you are getting garbeled text. |
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| 19:15.04 | kfogel_ | Zeranoe: I have found this document helpful, in figuring out cut/paste under X Windows: http://www.jwz.org/doc/x-cut-and-paste.html |
| 19:15.20 | acu | blubberdiblub, no it does not show there - what should I do ? |
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| 19:16.26 | somiaj | acu: did you get any other comments/errors when you ran update-grub that says it found it but ignores it or something? |
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| 19:17.04 | pmade | somiaj: I restarted an noticed that grub has some garbage characters also. I added fb=false to the boot line and still getting garbage and blinking cursor. |
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| 19:17.24 | pmade | I think I'm going to just buy another graphics card. |
| 19:17.30 | somiaj | pmade: the last time I saw garbaged characters it was a bad video card. |
| 19:17.46 | pmade | somiaj: That's what I'm susspecting too. |
| 19:17.49 | somiaj | pmade: but I don't go though that many video cards. |
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| 19:18.15 | pmade | Does anyone know of a good resource that recommends which graphics cards to buy for Debian and X? |
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| 19:19.43 | somiaj | pmade: depends on what you want. I would just avoid bleeding edge (linux support usually lags just a little) |
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| 19:20.18 | somiaj | pmade: I like my ati/amd radeon 4200 for a work desktop/laptop (Cause of the the good free drivers), but prefer nvidia for a gaming/3d orinated computer |
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| 19:21.13 | blubberdiblub | acu, run update-grub again and observe what somiaj suggested |
| 19:21.17 | pmade | somiaj: Thank you. |
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| 19:21.54 | acu | MSG acu !paste |
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| 19:22.53 | Amarande | there is, however, one gotcha that you have to be careful of with ATI cards in particular. |
| 19:23.18 | pmade | Amarande: what's that? |
| 19:23.20 | Amarande | I am not sure if it yet applies, or will apply to nVidia cards (as of the last time I bought a video card, ATI cards had HDMI support but nVidia ones appeared not to) |
| 19:23.31 | acu | blubberdiblub, and somiaj here is the result of my update-grub2 (actually I did update-grub with same result) http://paste.debian.net/148982/ |
| 19:23.32 | Amarande | ATI cards have an HDMI port, which means they are also technically audio devices |
| 19:23.54 | Amarande | ALSA can become a pain to configure if you have multiple audio devices, because the system has a bad habit of not being constant about what card should be default |
| 19:24.04 | Amarande | (it's consistent within a boot, but if you reboot, it sometimes swaps them up) |
| 19:24.15 | Amarande | and overriding the default can cause undesirable consequences, most particularly with Wine |
| 19:24.43 | pmade | Well, the only feature I need on a video card is dual-head, otherwise I don't care, I'm only going to run a window manager, and I never play games |
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| 19:24.49 | somiaj | Amarande: using hdmi audio on my ati card, though alsa has seen my hdmi devices on my desktop for nvidia for a few years now, I just don't use it. my sblive from 1998 works better than most modern sound cards. |
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| 19:24.57 | Amarande | somiaj: the specific issue I ran into was this |
| 19:25.25 | Amarande | I decided NOT to disable the onboard audio on my DZ68DB mobo, since I wanted to have the possibility to use the front headphone port on the case, particularly |
| 19:25.27 | somiaj | pmade: I'd suggest ati then, they have better free 3d support than nvidia at the moment. Nouveau is still fairly new. |
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| 19:25.44 | Amarande | however, to mostly use my old SB Audigy card, as I was used to using a sound card |
| 19:25.46 | pmade | somiaj: okay, thank you. |
| 19:25.59 | Amarande | I ended up retiring the Audigy though, because I found that ALSA would not consistently retain it as the default sound card |
| 19:26.18 | Amarande | and discovered that, if you try to play a game in Wine using an overridden sound card default, the sound comes out, to put it bluntly, BAD. |
| 19:26.35 | somiaj | Amarande: let me guess, when you set up a default the dmix settings enabled by default were overwritten and you didn't get software mixing on the card? |
| 19:26.42 | blubberdiblub | acu, in that case, it should usually have updated /boot/grub/grub.cfg correctly. does that partition happen to be mounted ro or does the file happen to be set immutable? although it would probably throw an error in both of those cases |
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| 19:26.45 | Amarande | It apparently has to do with the mixer system not doing things the same when the default is overridden vs. using ALSA's decision about the card |
| 19:26.52 | Amarande | yeah, it was something to do with dmix |
| 19:27.02 | Amarande | and apparently, there's no real way to override the default *without* getting that issue |
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| 19:27.07 | somiaj | Amarande: there are ways to control how sound cards are detected to limit the randomness of reodering. Though these days I just suspend my desktop and don't actually power it down. |
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| 19:27.22 | GetsEclectic_ | got both monitors working now |
| 19:27.59 | GetsEclectic_ | is there an easy way to switch modes depending on whether a mini dvi is plugged in or not? i had been using a script with disper in ubuntu but it doesn't work |
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| 19:28.13 | GetsEclectic_ | metamodes are screwed up or something |
| 19:28.24 | somiaj | Amarande: yea I run into that a bit, unforntally there isn't any clear documentation on how to enable dmix. But for my desktop I just use my sblive and hdmi video -- they work fine (I just had to modify a custom edid for my monintor to disable the hdmi audio feed so it would use the old soud card) |
| 19:28.35 | Amarande | in any case, the Z68 chipset onboard sound is at least as good as the Audigy, and the main reason I used to have a sound card all the time is gone anyway |
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| 19:28.56 | karsten | GetsEclectic_: video modes? Does xrandr see the display correctly? |
| 19:28.57 | somiaj | GetsEclectic_: if the nvdia-settings tool dosen't do it you'll have to have seperate seetings in your xorg.conf |
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| 19:29.04 | Amarande | mainly, it was paranoia, since my mic used to be a studio model that needed a 1/4" plug, the adapter was bulky and right up against the sound card jack |
| 19:29.29 | Amarande | on the card I had prior to the Audigy, that adapter got wrenched to the side somehow and broke the jack, so I was always leery of using onboard sound after that in case something like that would ruin the mobo |
| 19:29.58 | GetsEclectic_ | no karsten xrandr doesn't work |
| 19:29.59 | Amarande | I have a USB mic now though so that no longer is an issue |
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| 19:30.31 | Amarande | (Also, I wasn't quite sure if there was any support in squeeze for the Z68 audio, even with bpo kernel, so I couldn't really be sure to be able to ditch the Audigy till AFTER I found out the Z68 was supported) |
| 19:30.32 | karsten | Dumb question: I'm looking for a small ascii-art Debian logo -- something that would fit into a dozen vertical lines or less. I thought I'd seen one but can't turn anything up Googling. |
| 19:30.40 | karsten | Mostly looking for something cute for /etc/issue.net |
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| 19:31.07 | somiaj | pmade: I would double check which versions the free radeon driver support before picking witch ati card. Though as long as its not the top of the line card I think you'll be just fine. |
| 19:31.08 | karsten | And I've already found the large ascii-art Debian logo (and package). Not that one. |
| 19:31.30 | Amarande | and yeah, on the flip side ati does tend to have better linux driver support on the opensource front |
| 19:31.34 | xingu | karsten: how about linuxlogo's output? |
| 19:31.39 | pmade | somiaj: Do I do that on the Xorg site, or somewhere else? |
| 19:31.42 | somiaj | karsten: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2001/07/msg00686.html |
| 19:31.52 | Amarande | I'm using nVidia, a GeForce 250 GTS, and still must use the proprietary driver for 3D DRI even though this card is somewhere around 4-5 generations old |
| 19:32.06 | somiaj | pmade: /msg dpkg radeon |
| 19:32.12 | mr_jrt | Hey. Quite a while back I came on here asking for help installing Debian onto a MDADM/RAID5 setup with LVM on top of that. I was assured it should work, but had to leave before I could complete the testing for why it didn't. Has anyone here got the time to help me out with this now? |
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| 19:32.43 | acu | here is my grub.cfg - it does not take the scientific linux -> http://paste.debian.net/149008/ |
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| 19:32.51 | karsten | xingu: Got that, and I'm using it for /etc/issue, but it's too big IMO. |
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| 19:33.37 | blubberdiblub | acu, does the modification time of the grub.cfg file correspond to when you ran update-grub? |
| 19:33.59 | karsten | somiaj: Smaller |
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| 19:34.18 | karsten | somiaj: I thought I'd seen one as an email sig. Can't for the life of me find it now. |
| 19:36.09 | karsten | Hrm ... how do you get into draw/paint mode in emacs? |
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| 19:37.44 | acu | blubberdiblub, the modification time of grub.cfg coresponds with the time of grub-upgrade - just did not update - perhaps the SL6.1 |
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| 19:39.13 | blubberdiblub | acu, with when you upgraded grub or with when you ran "update-grub"? |
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| 19:41.01 | nikolaj_basher | Hi is there anyone how knows where I can find FcgidMaxRequestLen value (apache mod)? looked everywhere |
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| 19:41.42 | acu | blubberdiblub, the time is when I upgrade the grub |
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| 19:44.49 | abrotman | nikolaj_basher: perhaps it's not set explicitly .. it might just have a resaonable default |
| 19:45.30 | nikolaj_basher | abrotman, do you know how to change it? |
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| 19:46.02 | blubberdiblub | acu, but the time of the file should correspond with when you run "update-grub". if it doesn't, there's something wrong. the file doesn't get written. that's why the entry doesn't show up |
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| 19:48.07 | pmade | somiaj: I think I'm going to order a Radeon 4670 (RV730). X wiki says it's supported, and Debian wiki says it's supported after installing firmware-linux-nonfree. Does anything jump out at you about that card? |
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| 19:49.49 | nikolaj_basher | abrotman, thanks for the tip |
| 19:50.03 | nikolaj_basher | abrotman, made google reasearch |
| 19:50.17 | jhutchins_lt | acu: Line 122 looks like it finds SL. |
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| 19:51.10 | jhutchins_lt | grub2 needs a parser that will show what the actual menu will look like without having to boot. |
| 19:51.46 | blubberdiblub | jhutchins_lt, yeah, that mismatch is what we're wondering about |
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| 19:55.05 | jhutchins_lt | Unfortunately my multi-distro box blew it's hard drive, so i don't know what it's supposed to look like. Is there anything unusual about the SL /boot? |
| 19:55.40 | jhutchins_lt | acu: Have you manually altered any of the grub files? |
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| 19:58.00 | somiaj | pmade: for a 2D desktop it should be fine. |
| 19:58.22 | blubberdiblub | jhutchins_lt, /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober indicates that if it is printing that found line, it should either output the entry or throw an error, nothing of which happened |
| 19:58.55 | blubberdiblub | jhutchins_lt, the original 30_os-prober, obviously |
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| 19:59.01 | pmade | somiaj: If I wanted to use compvizmgr solely for fading unfoced windows, do you think it would work with this card? |
| 19:59.19 | acu | jhutchins_lt, no I did not make any manual modifications - first I installed SL then debian - I think at the beginning I could see both - then perhaps a kernel update - or something - made it disapear - |
| 19:59.26 | jhutchins_lt | Are all the partitions ok according to fsck? |
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| 20:00.16 | jhutchins_lt | acu: There's a known phenomenon where squeeze doesn't appear to run os_prober on initial install and grub needs to be updated on reboot, but I doubt that's related... |
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| 20:01.13 | jhutchins_lt | Trying to remember any details from a situation where menu.cfg wasn't being re-written. |
| 20:01.37 | jhutchins_lt | acu: How about if you add something, an option or a comment or something to /etc/default/grub - maybe that'll knock it loose. |
| 20:02.13 | acu | jhutchins_lt: yes, is first time I have this issues - befer the update-grub fixed everything - I have some data in SL I need to pull out - this is a test system - but I really did not want to reinstall everything |
| 20:02.32 | blubberdiblub | jhutchins_lt, the 30_os-prober comments in grub.cfg indicate that os_prober was called at some point (when the file was written). and the output of the found distro line indicates that it actually runs |
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| 20:02.51 | pmade | somiaj: well, just found something on google that says the 4670 works with compviz just fien |
| 20:02.53 | somiaj | pmade: yea it should have decent 3D support. |
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| 20:03.03 | pmade | somiaj: Thanks for all the help! |
| 20:03.25 | blubberdiblub | jhutchins_lt, but i agree that acu should probably run fsck on the partition |
| 20:04.06 | TACPILOT | I am working with dpkg trying to install packages into a tree. that tree will be encapsulated for provisioning other systems and may not be the same version as the dev box. Running commands with 'dpkg --root=' not successful in setting up environment. any suggestions ? |
| 20:04.36 | valdyn | TACPILOT: use chroot |
| 20:05.17 | TACPILOT | chroot tree is not a system tree |
| 20:05.32 | valdyn | TACPILOT: so? |
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| 20:06.53 | dondelelcaro | TACPILOT: the general method of doing that is to use debootstrap, apt-get, and a chroot |
| 20:07.12 | dondelelcaro | TACPILOT: but unless you have specific requirements, you're generally better off just using a real debian setup for provisioning |
| 20:07.16 | valdyn | TACPILOT: even if dpkg supports -root, packages do not. Packages run things, have postinst and preinst scripts. use chroot or a virtual machine |
| 20:07.32 | TACPILOT | been a while since worked with chroot but I thought systems calls must exist in the chroot tree for they will no longer be accesable from inside chroot ?? |
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| 20:08.48 | valdyn | TACPILOT: what youre saying makes no sense |
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| 20:09.10 | dondelelcaro | TACPILOT: you need to a have kernel which is compatible with the libc that you're using, but that's almost always the case in Linux. |
| 20:09.11 | valdyn | TACPILOT: maybe you have a wrong idea about what a chroot is |
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| 20:10.42 | TACPILOT | my focus has been in diff directions for a while .. perhaps a bit confused ... off to read chroot cliff notes ... TNX for the info that should get me in the right direction :) |
| 20:11.07 | l1t_ | I want to use the proprietary version of flash (adobe). Could somebody point me in the right direction for doing that. Maybe a guide that is up to date? |
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| 20:11.34 | valdyn | l1t_: install flashplugin-nonfree from non-free |
| 20:11.42 | dondelelcaro | !tell l1t_ -about flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 20:13.54 | l1t_ | Its saying This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 20:13.55 | l1t_ | is only available from another source |
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| 20:14.36 | l1t_ | I added non-free to my sources.list too |
| 20:16.16 | dondelelcaro | l1t_: did you run apt-get update? what does apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree; say? |
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| 20:16.59 | noturno99 | Hi, i'd like to know what minipci is better to use with debian squeeze? |
| 20:17.05 | noturno99 | native support on linux.. |
| 20:17.18 | noturno99 | wifi board |
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| 20:18.13 | jhutchins_lt | fpnf is in contrib, isn't it? |
| 20:18.17 | somiaj | noturno99: pick a card, then check for both linux support in the kernel and debian support on the debian wiki. If you don't find anything good, choose another. |
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| 20:18.55 | jhutchins_lt | noturno99: There are a bunch that work pretty well, although the drivers for N band are a bit behind. |
| 20:18.56 | somiaj | jhutchins_lt: I think so as well. |
| 20:18.59 | noturno99 | i saw realtek and atheros.. but looks like that both needs ndiswrapper to work |
| 20:19.01 | jhutchins_lt | !tell noturno99 about wifi |
| 20:19.02 | noturno99 | am I correct? |
| 20:19.08 | jhutchins_lt | noturno99: No. |
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| 20:19.22 | somiaj | noturno99: nehter should need ndiswrapper these days, you were looking at old info. |
| 20:19.24 | jhutchins_lt | ndiswrapper is like 2008. |
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| 20:19.31 | noturno99 | what do you think about RTL8187L? |
| 20:19.58 | jsoft_ | what is that |
| 20:20.19 | noturno99 | thansk |
| 20:20.19 | l1t_ | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/T3Dx8gqX |
| 20:20.20 | nkuttler | !tell noturno99 about RTL8187L |
| 20:20.21 | noturno99 | thanks |
| 20:20.46 | jhutchins_lt | noturno99: RealTeks are notoriously cheap |
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| 20:21.02 | somiaj | noturno99: I personally have a bad opinion of RTL drivers, though mostly because the one in my laptop crashes with suspends. But check the debian wiki for specfics on a paticular card |
| 20:21.29 | noturno99 | i found at debian wiki: RTL8187L. |
| 20:21.49 | nkuttler | my rtl works just fine.. with firmware of course |
| 20:21.50 | noturno99 | and I wanna make sure that i'ts good |
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| 20:22.09 | tensorpudding | realtek has linux drivers iirc |
| 20:22.14 | tensorpudding | for their wifi that is |
| 20:22.15 | noturno99 | and it's easy to install, but, what abou the signal? |
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| 20:22.37 | tensorpudding | their ethernet nic's have been supported under linux forever |
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| 20:24.01 | somiaj | the RTL8188CE just gave me a bad taste for realtek, but I think its more this paticular card than verall realtek linux support. |
| 20:25.07 | dondelelcaro | l1t_: it's in contrib, not non-free |
| 20:25.30 | dondelelcaro | l1t_: so your sources.list should say main contrib non-free, not just main non-free |
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| 20:26.08 | nkuttler | somiaj: that's the one i have. works fine when i suspend to ram |
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| 20:26.57 | somiaj | nkuttler: maybe its my card then. network-manager/wicd both cause my whole kernel to pause and sometimes crash with just using it automatically |
| 20:27.06 | somiaj | nkuttler: suspend works but resume usually fails |
| 20:27.18 | noturno99 | and, What model do you prefer? |
| 20:27.21 | l1t_ | dondelelcaro: Thankyou very much. I forgot I removed the contrib a while ago. By the way will this now take over the free flash? Or do I have to manually remove the free flash version? |
| 20:27.21 | nkuttler | hm |
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| 20:28.06 | somiaj | l1t_: you can check about:plugins in your browser to see which one it loads |
| 20:28.26 | noturno99 | ? |
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| 20:30.18 | noturno99 | what model off minipci board do you have in yours notebooks? |
| 20:30.27 | noturno99 | of |
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| 20:30.43 | Mortvert | hey. |
| 20:30.52 | Mortvert | How can one make a script run at startup? |
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| 20:31.41 | Sprengel | hello :) |
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| 20:32.22 | Sprengel | kennt sich hier jemand besonders gut mit XEN aus? |
| 20:32.26 | somiaj | Mortvert: what kinda of script/what do you want it to do? |
| 20:32.38 | Mortvert | somiaj - one that starts a service |
| 20:32.38 | ice799 | Hi. Is there a way to do preseeding without having to set a boot parameter? For example, I have a bunch of debian systems already up and running. I want to install a packge on them but I know the package will prompt for user input |
| 20:32.50 | Mortvert | somiaj - at startup, with specified .cfg file |
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| 20:33.59 | somiaj | Mortvert: what service? You will have to write your own script, check /etc/init.d/README /etc/init.d/skeleton and http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
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| 20:34.31 | jhutchins_lt | Mortvert: You can either start it in rc.local or you can build your own initscript using the template in /etc/init.d/skeleton and enable it with something like rcconf |
| 20:34.50 | Mortvert | somiaj - the service IS installed but it needs to be called out with a specified config |
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| 20:35.01 | Mortvert | so yeah, it just needs poking at startup |
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| 20:35.15 | somiaj | Mortvert: you could modify the script that was provided with the package then |
| 20:35.26 | Mortvert | somiaj - eh, no-can-do |
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| 20:35.32 | Mortvert | inadyn |
| 20:35.33 | jhutchins_lt | Mortvert: If there's already an initscript look to see if you can make settings somewhere or modify the script (last resort). |
| 20:35.56 | jhutchins_lt | Mortvert: ? |
| 20:36.02 | jhutchins_lt | loves the lag here... |
| 20:36.18 | Mortvert | jhutchins_lt - dynamic DNS client |
| 20:36.32 | l1t_ | somiaj: It's saying I'm using both shockwave and "furutesplash" player. When I play youtube vids I still get 100% CPU utilization so it's for sure still defaulting to free flash. How do I disable the free one? |
| 20:36.49 | l1t_ | "futuresplash" |
| 20:36.55 | jhutchins_lt | Mortvert: Is that the one that dyndns used to distribute when they were free? |
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| 20:37.06 | Mortvert | jhutchins_lt - nope. |
| 20:37.11 | Mortvert | http://www.inatech.eu/inadyn/readme.html |
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| 20:37.47 | jhutchins_lt | Ah. |
| 20:37.51 | StephenS | I have urgency question |
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| 20:38.26 | StephenS | I am on my old pc monitor with dual windows and linux debian x64 bit. I have 17 inches monito and my resolution is 1024x768 but screen is looking very big |
| 20:38.29 | StephenS | like Im using 800x600 |
| 20:38.30 | jhutchins_lt | Mortvert: have a look in /usr/share/doc/inadyn and see if there's a way to specify the config file. |
| 20:38.41 | StephenS | but on windows resolution is fine. |
| 20:38.48 | Mortvert | jhutchins_lt - i need a simple script that will call out inadyn --input_file /etc/inadyn.cfg at startup |
| 20:39.11 | jhutchins_lt | Mortvert: What does it use by default? |
| 20:39.15 | somiaj | StephenS: xrandr -q [what resolution does it say the other monintor is at]? |
| 20:39.34 | Mortvert | jhutchins_lt - start up with config that updates my dynamic DNS entry |
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| 20:40.04 | StephenS | somiaj, here what it say: http://pastebin.com/Ya0aZUrt |
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| 20:40.53 | jhutchins_lt | Mortvert: So you want it to start up with a config that does not do that? I really don't understand why you can't just work with it the way it's already set up. |
| 20:40.53 | somiaj | StephenS: so you have a single monintor at 1024x768 resolution -- resolution is fine. Is the fonts just very large? |
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| 20:41.19 | StephenS | i think so.. |
| 20:41.20 | Mortvert | jhutchins_lt - the config contains DNS server address and other stuff |
| 20:41.23 | StephenS | how can i reset all fonts |
| 20:41.28 | StephenS | my font size at this resolution is 11 |
| 20:41.36 | StephenS | is that too big? Since I had an old monitor with 22 inches |
| 20:41.44 | StephenS | and font size was too small sO i higher it up |
| 20:42.05 | jhutchins_lt | Mortvert: I guess I really don't understand the question, I'll have to let someone else answer you. |
| 20:42.25 | somiaj | StephenS: its a dpi setting, http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/FAQ#settingdpi |
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| 20:43.15 | StephenS | oh no |
| 20:43.19 | StephenS | whatever I do it feels stupid |
| 20:43.25 | StephenS | is there a way to reset all to default? |
| 20:44.00 | twobitsprite | for some reason my squeeze system isn't seeing bind9 version 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze4, only showing ~squeeze3... I have squeeze-security in my sources.list |
| 20:44.45 | l1t_ | Does anyone else get really high CPU usage when they use a flash plugin? |
| 20:45.19 | LightKnight | l1t_: if you mean gnash, yes, I do. It's one of its most unnoying bugs (togheter with not supporting AVM2). |
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| 20:45.33 | StephenS | brb |
| 20:45.41 | LightKnight | *annoying |
| 20:45.52 | twobitsprite | nevermind, got it |
| 20:46.31 | l1t_ | LightKnight: I'm actually using the proprietary adobe flash now. It uses less CPU but still wayy more than it should. |
| 20:46.40 | LightKnight | I see. |
| 20:46.48 | jhutchins_lt | Mortvert: It looks like you can just copy/link your config file to /etc/inadynl.conf and it'll work. See man inadyn, man inadyn.conf |
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| 20:48.45 | jhutchins_lt | Mortvert: http://www.debian-tutorials.com/dns/configuring-inadyn-in-debian-squeeze |
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| 20:51.40 | zW | Hi. |
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| 20:52.16 | zW | I have debian squeeze and I have a problem with apache ssl on it. It works perfectly, out of the blue it stops working and I get a bunch of connect(1663, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(443), sin_addr=inet_addr("0.0.0.0")}, 16) = -1 EINPROGRESS (Operation now in progress) lines when I strace my apache proc |
| 20:52.23 | zW | nothing to see in logfiles |
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| 20:55.15 | Phil | I've just done an installation using software RAID 0 |
| 20:55.28 | Phil | I have 2 partitions, md0 and md1 mounted to / and /home respectively |
| 20:55.32 | Phil | however... I can't install Grub |
| 20:55.42 | Phil | grub-install just kicks back 'Unknown filesystem' |
| 20:56.06 | hpa | has a question about the DFSG... in particular which Creative Commons licenses are considered acceptable |
| 20:57.03 | Justin | Phil: what command are you running? |
| 20:57.05 | lstarnes | hpa: CC BY-SA v3.0 |
| 20:57.15 | Phil | Justin, grub-install /dev/md0 |
| 20:57.28 | hpa | lstarnes: is that the *only* one? |
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| 20:57.39 | lstarnes | hpa: from what I can see, yes |
| 20:57.57 | lstarnes | I defintitely know that any ND and NC variants would be incompatible |
| 20:58.04 | lstarnes | I assume CC BY 3.0 would be acceptable |
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| 21:10.19 | steampunkey | what's the common way of storing data for most utilities on Debian? suggest a store or a database. |
| 21:10.37 | Amarande | steampunkey, linux utilities notoriously do not have a unified data storage method |
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| 21:10.54 | lstarnes | some often store data under /var/lib |
| 21:11.04 | steampunkey | -_- |
| 21:11.07 | lstarnes | if it's not user-specific |
| 21:11.07 | Amarande | there is not normally anything so much as resembling the windows registry (the closest that you get is the hodgepodge of various files in /etc) |
| 21:11.10 | StephenS | hey |
| 21:11.15 | lstarnes | but the actual format is up to the application |
| 21:11.25 | steampunkey | Amarande: what does gconf edit? |
| 21:11.28 | StephenS | can someone tell me does someone use 17 inches monitor and 1024x resolution in here? |
| 21:11.41 | StephenS | I need to know default font size and dots |
| 21:12.59 | Some_Person | steampunkey: gconf is gconf. it's basically a database of various settings. kinda like the windows registry, but more organized and less random |
| 21:13.08 | StephenS | ?//????? |
| 21:13.16 | lstarnes | 1024x768? |
| 21:13.18 | Amarande | steampunkey: even that, though, is mostly/entirely specific to GNOME and its components |
| 21:13.41 | steampunkey | Amarande: Some_Person: what does dpkg reconfigure? |
| 21:13.44 | Amarande | there is nothing as unified as the Windows registry that virtually all programs use. it's up to the designer of each program to decide how configgles are handled |
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| 21:13.56 | Amarande | dpkg has its own installed-packages database |
| 21:13.56 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, Amarande |
| 21:13.59 | StephenS | somiaj ? |
| 21:15.13 | keith4 | StephenS: and this has what to do with debian? |
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| 21:15.28 | steampunkey | Amarande: i meant packages' configurations that it offers to edit via its TUI. |
| 21:15.48 | apollo13 | hi, is there some kind of wayback archive for debian repos? I need an older version from an unstable package |
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| 21:16.08 | StephenS | my resolution is 1024 but my font is stuck for the old monitor from 22 inches and I have 17 inches monitor righthere |
| 21:16.10 | nkuttler | !tell apollo13 about snapshot |
| 21:16.18 | StephenS | shouldnt debian set auto font for every resolution ? |
| 21:16.27 | apollo13 | nkuttler: you rock sir, and I promise I'll bookmark it this time |
| 21:16.33 | Amarande | steampunkey: ah, you mean like when you install a debian package and you get configgle options |
| 21:16.39 | nkuttler | apollo13: np :) |
| 21:16.42 | lstarnes | StephenS: usually assuming 96dpi is safe |
| 21:16.44 | StephenS | now i cant get it right whenevr i change dots or font my browser is messed up and gmail is not like he looked or sites are big and everything is screwed |
| 21:16.51 | Amarande | such configuration scripts have to be tweaked individually for each such package |
| 21:17.00 | steampunkey | Amarande: maybe. i know that keyboard layout can be changed like that |
| 21:17.06 | StephenS | ok 96 it is |
| 21:17.11 | steampunkey | and shell font face |
| 21:17.19 | StephenS | now is too big i think |
| 21:17.25 | StephenS | shell font face? |
| 21:18.03 | steampunkey | StephenS: typeface? anyway, ommit "face" and you'll survive |
| 21:18.15 | StephenS | typeface? |
| 21:18.22 | steampunkey | trollface? |
| 21:18.30 | StephenS | i have only dots per inch |
| 21:18.33 | StephenS | where is type face |
| 21:18.35 | StephenS | whats omit face |
| 21:18.49 | StephenS | is there a command to reset all to the default? |
| 21:18.49 | lstarnes | omit = don't include |
| 21:19.03 | apollo13 | nkuttler: now I just need to figure out how to find bugs in the bugtracker ;) |
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| 21:19.13 | lstarnes | StephenS: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but that's systemwide, not pwe-user |
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| 21:19.17 | lstarnes | *per |
| 21:19.19 | steampunkey | StephenS: as in "shell font". I'd say "sans face", but that'd confuse you so very much |
| 21:19.40 | lstarnes | depending on the DE you use, you may need to remove a certain directory under ~/.config |
| 21:19.48 | StephenS | fixed width is monospace? |
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| 21:19.54 | steampunkey | Amarande: what lstarnes said |
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| 21:20.12 | lstarnes | monospace is fixed width |
| 21:20.22 | StephenS | my fucking browsers are still too big and dont have an efect on my changings |
| 21:20.31 | StephenS | no matter if i set font to 1 |
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| 21:20.35 | StephenS | browser is big font |
| 21:20.42 | StephenS | i cant set font on browser on each one |
| 21:20.45 | lstarnes | the browser uses its own font |
| 21:20.57 | StephenS | can u epxlain me |
| 21:21.07 | StephenS | how come I used this monitor for a one week with no font change |
| 21:21.15 | StephenS | and now suddenly system changed it in all screwed up way |
| 21:21.20 | lstarnes | browsers usually have their own font setting sentirely independent of other applications' settings |
| 21:21.23 | StephenS | my system needs 1 week t orefresh? |
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| 21:21.41 | lstarnes | something may have been updated that changed the configuration somewhere |
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| 21:21.55 | lstarnes | or drivers or other software were changed |
| 21:22.21 | steampunkey | Amarande: debconf seems to be perl... ungh |
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| 21:22.36 | lstarnes | steampunkey: what's wrong with perl? |
| 21:22.53 | steampunkey | lstarnes: for starters i don't know it. secondly, i don't think i want to know it. |
| 21:22.56 | Amarande | ok, this is odd |
| 21:23.06 | Amarande | I have this huge stack of discs that I was ripping with abcde and the freedb info failed to come up |
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| 21:23.23 | Amarande | so, finally found the file format, and then I go back to do the ones that weren't loading and now they're pretty much all coming up |
| 21:23.31 | Amarande | what's with freedb? |
| 21:23.40 | steampunkey | i reckon it's a frankenstein, just like C++ is, but in a syntactically even more unfamiliar way (while somewhat more elegant otherwise perhaps) |
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| 21:24.04 | StephenS | my preferences on browser does nothave effect |
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| 21:24.08 | StephenS | this linux is screwed |
| 21:24.28 | StephenS | nothing is working like its supposed to and my 22 inches monitor is away for 1 more week |
| 21:24.35 | StephenS | I thinK ill stick with 7 |
| 21:24.39 | steampunkey | heh. that should become a meme "this linux is screwed" |
| 21:25.02 | steampunkey | all your linux is belong to screwdriver |
| 21:25.08 | StephenS | ya |
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| 21:25.18 | StephenS | i cant take this any longer |
| 21:25.45 | steampunkey | StephenS: yeah. you have to be kinda crazy to continue. wellcome to #looneyville. i mean #debian |
| 21:25.58 | thewanderer1 | guys, I'm seeing a strange problem which involves KVM, bridged networking with virtio, IPv6 in a LAN, and very slow HTTP transfers over the said link (from a physical machine on the bridge to the guest VM on the bridge). I'm in the range of 20KB/s... any hints? |
| 21:26.21 | thewanderer1 | that's downloading from Lighttpd a few megabyte file |
| 21:26.35 | steampunkey | sounds thwarted |
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| 21:26.48 | MasterSlave_ | Hey in USA which ISP you can use for home Internet for web hosting + static IP? |
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| 21:26.57 | steampunkey | but i wouldn't know the second thing about virtualization, so ignore me |
| 21:27.11 | thewanderer1 | MasterSlave_, ##networking - or they'll redirect you to a more suitable channel |
| 21:27.20 | MasterSlave_ | thewanderer1: thanks |
| 21:27.21 | steampunkey | thewanderer1: good call |
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| 21:27.45 | steampunkey | Amarande: freedb is a site afaics |
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| 21:27.57 | thewanderer1 | I've tried in ##networking with my speed problem, but they seemed... absorbed discussing other matters of IPv6 - plus it seems like a software issue at a higher layer |
| 21:27.57 | steampunkey | like metadata |
| 21:28.29 | steampunkey | thewanderer1: if it seems so, maybe #kvm |
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| 21:30.14 | thewanderer1 | in fact, let's see how transfers over IPv4 go... |
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| 21:30.26 | steampunkey | Amarande: ok, so i'll have a config file at $HOME. however, i want things to run fast, so i'd want to have a deamon that reads it only when it changes, and keeps it all in memory for fast access. lib suggestion? |
| 21:30.35 | bmoloney | is there some way to regenerate manpath.config? I tried "apt-get install --reinstall man-db manpages" |
| 21:30.39 | steampunkey | *daemon |
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| 21:31.25 | thewanderer1 | alright, this *is* an IPv6 issue, or a Lighttpd issue with IPv6 |
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| 21:32.02 | thewanderer1 | steampunkey, no idea what you're up to but incron might be of interest |
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| 21:33.08 | ShinyDarkness | Hello. How do I upgrade from squeeze to wheezy without reinstalling from scratch? |
| 21:33.20 | steampunkey | thewanderer1: thanks for the suggestion, very nice. |
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| 21:34.51 | twobitsprite | !tell ShinyDarkness about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 21:35.00 | steampunkey | bb |
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| 21:39.37 | testswap | Hello |
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| 21:40.40 | zerobyte | back |
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| 21:41.59 | testswap | Is there Debian website to search for packages? For example I would like to know which package contains *dig*? |
| 21:43.12 | bmoloney | testswap you can use apt-file for that |
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| 21:43.28 | ShinyDarkness | testswap: Maybe "apt-cache search | grep dig"? |
| 21:44.51 | testswap | Ok, thanks for both answers |
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| 21:45.29 | lstarnes | apt-file search /usr/bin/dig |
| 21:46.05 | testswap | apt-file |
| 21:46.05 | testswap | -su: apt-file: command not found |
| 21:46.10 | testswap | :/ |
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| 21:46.38 | testswap | I'm probably missing additional tools? |
| 21:46.47 | ShinyDarkness | One question: I want to use g++ 4.6. Is this a good enough reason to upgrade to wheezy or is there a way to install g++ 4.6 *using apt-get* that does not involve upgrading to wheezy? |
| 21:46.48 | testswap | This was minimal Debian install |
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| 21:47.16 | anoNxeRo | testswap♪ i think you are |
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| 21:47.37 | keith4 | testswap: you'd have to install apt-file to use it, of course |
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| 21:47.57 | lstarnes | and then run apt-file update |
| 21:48.06 | testswap | keith4: So the package is apt-file :) |
| 21:48.25 | keith4 | !tell testswap about search |
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| 21:49.18 | testswap | I'm trying to get the hange of it .. Once I'm pretty good with it .. I'll be fine on my own, but thanks anyway :) |
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| 21:50.12 | keith4 | testswap: read what the bot wrote at you. it has more info on apt-file, if you're interested |
| 21:50.42 | testswap | keith4: I did :) |
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| 21:54.31 | ShinyDarkness | Hello. I would rather not have to edit my sources.list file manually. Does anybody know of a sample sources.list file for wheezy? |
| 21:55.24 | rudi_s | ShinyDarkness: If you have to ask, better stick with squeeze - a stable release. |
| 21:55.39 | ShinyDarkness | rudi_s: I very much need g++ 4.6 right now. |
| 21:55.57 | rudi_s | ShinyDarkness: Compile it in your home or create a backport. |
| 21:56.15 | rudi_s | !backports |
| 21:56.15 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 21:56.23 | rudi_s | ShinyDarkness: ^ |
| 21:56.28 | ShinyDarkness | Okay! Thanks! |
| 21:56.33 | rudi_s | np |
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| 22:00.24 | gimpy941 | With virt-install what permissions does it need on the directory a VM will be stored in and who needs to be the group owner? The user I am running it owns the directory but it complains it doesn't have read access. |
| 22:01.32 | acu | gimpy941, you need to adduser youruser libivirt |
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| 22:02.17 | acu | gimpy941, did you install virt-manager ? |
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| 22:03.10 | acu | qemu-kvm and virt-manager - then you have to adduser to libvirt - logout - login and you can see the virtual machines if you go to Applications System Tools Virt Manager |
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| 22:08.07 | gimpy941 | acu: "adduser: The group `libivirt' does not exist." I do have libvirt and I am a member of it and I did log out and back in. virt-manager has limitations and I was told to check out virt-install instead. I also have no GUI, this is a headless system. |
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| 22:11.47 | hellekin | gimpy941: libvirt != libvirt |
| 22:11.53 | hellekin | gimpy941: libivirt != libvirt |
| 22:11.55 | hellekin | :) |
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| 22:12.36 | superos | How can I check if my system is using LVM? |
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| 22:13.27 | civillian | superos: lvdisplay |
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| 22:13.47 | gimpy941 | hellekin: Well I'm confused then. You said I needed to add myself to the libivirt group, but there is no libivirt group! |
| 22:14.21 | hellekin | gimpy941: no I just pointed to the fact that you mention 'libivirt', then 'libvirt' |
| 22:14.22 | gimpy941 | hellekin: s/you/acu |
| 22:14.39 | hellekin | usually that sort of details count |
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| 22:15.26 | gimpy941 | hellekin: I know....that is what I am confused about....acu said the group libivirt but i have the group libvirt. |
| 22:15.26 | superos | civillian: lvdisplay http://dpaste.org/XzIn5/ That means I got lvm on my system? |
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| 22:15.42 | hellekin | gimpy941: sounds like a typo in acu's code |
| 22:16.11 | gimpy941 | superos: Most likely yes, if 'mount' or 'df' show the LVs mounted. |
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| 22:16.40 | civillian | superos: looks like it, but check if they're in use. mount will tell you. |
| 22:16.52 | superos | civillian: gimpy941: thanks |
| 22:17.36 | hellekin | gimpy941: I didn't read the backlog and am pretty busy. Just bumped into you line. So I miss a lot of context. If you're installing a package, try "grep -r libivirt /var/lib/dpkg/info/acu*" |
| 22:18.20 | gimpy941 | hellekin: ...acu is the person who posted the group thing, not a package name. |
| 22:18.32 | hellekin | gimpy941: see what I mean :) |
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| 22:18.52 | hellekin | acu: got that? |
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| 22:21.24 | AthomIk | hello |
| 22:21.49 | AthomIk | i can t install debian squeeze or wheezy at this time, why ? |
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| 22:22.03 | AthomIk | whit netinstall |
| 22:22.15 | AthomIk | all mirors is broken ? |
| 22:22.21 | gimpy941 | AthomIk: I think the Us mirror is having problems, use a different one. |
| 22:22.41 | AthomIk | gimpy941: i try france, espagne, suede..... |
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| 22:23.22 | gimpy941 | AthomIk: Do you have a network connection and working DNS? What error do you get? Has it ever worked? Details man, details.... |
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| 22:24.01 | AthomIk | Warning* *server not support this release |
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| 22:24.02 | AthomIk | with squeeze or wheezy |
| 22:24.11 | AthomIk | pfffff |
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| 22:24.45 | AthomIk | gimpy941: yes mÃy internet is fine |
| 22:24.49 | Sm0ke0ut | pastebin your sources.lst please |
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| 22:25.00 | AthomIk | is a netinstall |
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| 22:25.13 | AthomIk | the last squeeze netinstall |
| 22:25.29 | AthomIk | before try with the last testing netinstall |
| 22:25.37 | AthomIk | before with lenny netinstall |
| 22:25.42 | AthomIk | again and again |
| 22:26.06 | AthomIk | but i thin all server are crashed or other bad state |
| 22:26.11 | AthomIk | think |
| 22:26.52 | AthomIk | but i can run aptitude on other pc, wheezy and work fine, only netinstall cannot find source |
| 22:26.52 | Sm0ke0ut | works fine here (nl mirror) |
| 22:27.17 | AthomIk | ok i try install nl and be back |
| 22:27.35 | AthomIk | only on screen and 2 pc :( |
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| 22:29.48 | AthomIk | no 2 first nl mirror no good |
| 22:30.27 | AthomIk | is a netinstall problem, in iso ? |
| 22:31.16 | civillian | AthomIk: stop spamming and paste your sources.list |
| 22:31.45 | AthomIk | civillian: is a netinstall iso source list |
| 22:31.58 | AthomIk | is not a spam |
| 22:32.41 | AthomIk | not a problem of my lan |
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| 22:34.34 | burnt | hi, im curently using ubuntu but want to migrate to debian, if I install it, will it auto config my gfx card and sound etc |
| 22:34.59 | burnt | I dont mind messing with settings etc just dont want to be at it for days to get wifi working etc |
| 22:35.05 | burnt | many thanks :) |
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| 22:35.27 | gimpy941 | burnt: It depends on the exact hardware you have, figure out what chips you have and so some research. |
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| 22:37.07 | babilen | burnt: Which graphic/wifi cards do you have? (lspci -nn|grep -iE '(vga|network)'" ? You might need firmware, which you can install afterwards or provide during the installation. (/msg dpkg firmware image - /msg dpkg installer firmware) |
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| 22:38.00 | Chelsea | Hi all, Is there such a thing as "the perfect marriage" between the file managers Thunar (Xfce's fm) and Ranger (a curses based vim-like fm)? |
| 22:38.23 | karsten | Chelsea: yes: bash |
| 22:38.51 | karsten | Chelsea: though some might way emacs's dired mode comes close. |
| 22:38.56 | Chelsea | karsten, ;) ... but even then I'd prefer Zsh;) |
| 22:39.16 | karsten | Chelsea: I'll grant you zsh. |
| 22:39.34 | Chelsea | I'd prefer something with vim-like keybindings and navigation. |
| 22:39.43 | karsten | Chelsea: I prefer shells to file manglers myself. There's mc, dired, and a few other oddments. |
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| 22:40.18 | karsten | I think there's something resembling Mac's pop-up search utility as well, name's slipping my tongue / typing fingers at the moment. |
| 22:40.21 | burnt | erm I duno to be honest, its an advent 8117 laptop, all auto installs with ubuntu |
| 22:40.45 | burnt | gimpy941, babilen thanks for the response |
| 22:40.52 | AthomIk | sorry all, i am very stupid..... |
| 22:40.57 | babilen | burnt: You should be able to run the command I gave you on Ubuntu -- Just paste the result to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 22:41.10 | babilen | AthomIk: That's OK, but what was it? |
| 22:41.32 | gimpy941 | $1 says it was a local network/DNS problem |
| 22:41.42 | karsten | Chelsea: What exactly are you looking for WRT "marriage"? |
| 22:41.45 | civillian | $1 on engrish |
| 22:42.02 | babilen | bets on browser-based authentication |
| 22:42.13 | karsten | Chelsea: ... and I don't see ranger listed in my repos. |
| 22:42.16 | civillian | *final bets* |
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| 22:42.21 | Chelsea | karsten, not exactly an eastern european dark-haired beauty. |
| 22:42.47 | civillian | *spins wheel of noobness* |
| 22:43.17 | karsten | Chelsea: Well, we might want to start by either specifying gender or specifically noting that it's immaterial, if you're going to go that route. |
| 22:43.34 | Chelsea | karsten, I was thinking more in the lines of the best qualities of both programs. Thunar is leight weight and looks very nice. |
| 22:43.34 | burnt | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/149039/ |
| 22:43.38 | karsten | civillian: Wait, last bets! Giraffes in the bathtub. |
| 22:43.51 | babilen | karsten, Chelsea: This is also not the right channel for *that* discussion. |
| 22:44.17 | babilen | burnt: Thanks, one second please. |
| 22:44.19 | civillian | *no more bets* |
| 22:44.21 | karsten | Chelsea: Yeah, thunar annoys be relatively little for a file mangler. |
| 22:44.22 | Chelsea | Ranger is very user friendly with navigation and is cli. |
| 22:44.38 | Chelsea | babilen, just kidding:) |
| 22:45.06 | Chelsea | Ranger also has multiple tabs, and preview capabilities. |
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| 22:45.11 | AthomIk | babilen: 2 network card in my laptop....... |
| 22:45.27 | burnt | babilen full hw spec http://paste.debian.net/149040/ |
| 22:45.36 | babilen | burnt: Ok, what kind of wifi card/stick/network cards do you have? Could you paste the complete output of "lspci -nn" and "lsusb" ? |
| 22:45.45 | karsten | Chelsea: Where's ranger -- packaged for debian? |
| 22:45.48 | civillian | *gimpy941 wins* |
| 22:46.20 | gimpy941 | collects a few dollars |
| 22:46.29 | burnt | beat you to that |
| 22:46.31 | burnt | babilen full hw spec http://paste.debian.net/149040/ |
| 22:46.40 | Chelsea | I don't think there is. There's the code on their website offcourse. |
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| 22:46.58 | babilen | burnt: Yeah, I've seen it. |
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| 22:47.20 | Chelsea | karsten, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ranger |
| 22:47.53 | babilen | burnt: You shouldn't run into problems (apart from the fact that you have a horrible NIC -- See "/msg dpkg rtl81x9.c") |
| 22:48.08 | gimpy941 | Though I'd give up those dollars to anyone who can tell me why "virt-install" gives "No read access to directory" even when ran as root and I am a member of libvirt. |
| 22:48.43 | burnt | ah |
| 22:49.01 | burnt | can I get a new driver for it? |
| 22:49.18 | civillian | gimpy941: strace? |
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| 22:49.26 | civillian | gimpy941: bbiaf, coffee time |
| 22:49.54 | babilen | burnt: That NIC has been supported for quite some time (since 2.6.25 -- http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8139) |
| 22:49.56 | burnt | ah its the controler itself |
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| 22:50.41 | burnt | wow, other than soldering a new on one my mb, im stuffed right? |
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| 22:51.44 | burnt | msg dpkg firmware image |
| 22:53.03 | burnt | wow debian really is advanced |
| 22:53.10 | burnt | i am impressed :) |
| 22:54.14 | babilen | burnt: Just let us know if you run into problems and neither your GPU nor your NIC needs firmware. |
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| 22:55.19 | burnt | superb :) |
| 22:55.23 | babilen | indeed |
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| 22:56.40 | babilen | burnt: Do you have further questions regarding the installation? I would recommend to take a look at the installation guide (/msg dpkg ig) and to use the netinstall images for the installation. (/msg dpkg netinstall) -- Which Desktop Environment do you prefer? (Gnome, KDE, XFCE, LXDE, window manager of your choice, ...) |
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| 22:56.51 | burnt | thanks babilen, im a .net developer but I just hate windows, have for some time, most of the boxes we host on are *nix based so am familiar with basic terminal commands, thought im just going to migrate so started with ubuntu and love it, going to get debain going and virtualbox win 7 for specific ms based development to make my life easier |
| 22:57.31 | burnt | only known and used gnome |
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| 22:57.43 | burnt | never tried kde, frend uses xfce |
| 22:57.57 | babilen | burnt: Sure, even though I personally prefer kvm (quemu-kvm) with virt-manager on my box ... (doesn't run on MS Windows AFAIK) |
| 22:58.02 | burnt | are applications cross compatible? |
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| 22:58.24 | AthomIk | bye |
| 22:58.39 | nkuttler | burnt: do you mean gnome/kde? |
| 22:59.08 | babilen | burnt: Yes they are -- You sometimes have to make sure that applications developed with different widget toolkits use "identical" themes, but that is about it. You can easily run all application in whatever desktop environment or window manager you prefer. |
| 23:00.29 | gimpy941 | I was able to create a VM but now some tools say it exists, others don't, and I can't view the console. What did I do wrong? http://dpaste.com/672600/ |
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| 23:01.06 | gnarface | gimpy941: forgot to start the VM after you created it maybe? |
| 23:01.07 | burnt | yeah meant gnome... wow so just a different way of managing my apps thats amazing, I thought they where all separate and required specifically written or builds apps |
| 23:01.17 | burnt | managing windows sorry |
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| 23:01.24 | burnt | like an x-windows wrapper? |
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| 23:01.50 | gnarface | gimpy941: that paste clearly states your problem. you failed to install virt-viewer |
| 23:01.50 | gimpy941 | gnarface: 'virsh list --all' doesn't even show any offline ones. |
| 23:02.29 | burnt | meant built / compiled apps ... this is exciting, time for a cig! and a coffee! read up a bit about kvm sounds very hardcore!! |
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| 23:02.38 | gimpy941 | gnarface: Which I have now installed, but then what do I do? |
| 23:02.45 | babilen | burnt: enjoy :) |
| 23:02.57 | gimpy941 | libvir: QEMU error : Domain not found: no domain with matching name 'urobilin2' |
| 23:03.16 | gnarface | gimpy941: i dunno... try running it? i've never worked with whatever software this is sorry. i was just giving you what i hoped would be lucky guesses |
| 23:05.04 | gimpy941 | gnarface: It's KVM and I can't do *antyhing* with the VM as the tools say it doesn't exist but says the name is already in use. |
| 23:05.17 | burnt | im in awe about QEMU-kvm, thats amazing, makes virtual box look like the ie as a browser |
| 23:05.58 | gnarface | gimpy941: from my experience with vservers i'd expect that means its installed just not running. don't you have a command for starting+stopping VMs |
| 23:05.59 | gnarface | ? |
| 23:06.14 | gimpy941 | gnarface |
| 23:06.32 | gimpy941 | gnarface: virsh list --all should show even the offline ones |
| 23:06.36 | gimpy941 | It shows none. |
| 23:06.37 | gnarface | oh |
| 23:06.38 | gimpy941 | that is the problem. |
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| 23:07.07 | gnarface | so the vm whose name it says is in use that you can't start - can you remove it ? |
| 23:07.25 | Posterdati | hi |
| 23:07.45 | Posterdati | please I've got problem with /dev on lenny: tmpfs 3615 3615 0 100% /dev |
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| 23:08.04 | Posterdati | I cannot create device nodes: mknod -m 640 /dev/xconsole p |
| 23:08.04 | Posterdati | mknod: `/dev/xconsole': No space left on device |
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| 23:08.29 | gimpy941 | gnarface: http://dpaste.com/672604/ No I can't do *anything* to it. Nothing, not one single thing. |
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| 23:09.08 | JaredKz | hey, I just added 2 harddrives to my debian box, what is the command to list the SDA and SDB partitions? |
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| 23:09.59 | gnarface | gimpy941: i think you need to talk to someone who is a pro with these types of VMs. all i can do is speculate that maybe not having virt-viewer installed at the time of creation interrupted the creation process mid-way and now you have to remove the leftovers by hand to get it working again. out of curiosity, did you try making a second VM of a different name to see if it works normally now? |
| 23:10.10 | babilen | JaredKz: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 23:10.17 | gimpy941 | JaredKz: 'fdisk -l /dev/whatever' 'parted /dev/whatever print' or many many others. |
| 23:10.51 | JaredKz | thanks =) |
| 23:10.52 | nodiscc | Jared: since UUIDS are preferred way to mount partitions, you can try with blkid too |
| 23:11.18 | JaredKz | righto |
| 23:11.24 | gimpy941 | gnarface: That's why I'm posting here and in #kvm. |
| 23:11.25 | gnarface | JaredKz: you can also just use ls (ls -l /dev/sda*) |
| 23:12.01 | gnarface | gimpy941: aah. i got you. sorry i couldn't help with that. |
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| 23:13.43 | gnarface | gimpy941 so you're saying you can't create a second fresh VM of a new name? or you haven't tried? |
| 23:14.04 | gnarface | gimpy941: i only ask because its possible the problem is you're still missing components |
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| 23:14.44 | gimpy941 | gnarface: If I try to create another with the same name it says the name is already in use. |
| 23:15.05 | gimpy941 | gnarface: I could care less about a different name. |
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| 23:19.07 | Posterdati | seems that udev it is not mounted on /dev |
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| 23:22.31 | zerobyte | someone knows how to create a GROUP directives for my NFS shares? |
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| 23:37.18 | toehio2 | I'm trying to reduce the size of a live usb image of debian. I mounted the squashfs and chrooted to it. Aptitude doesn't work though because it's working on the chrooted fs. Is there a way to remove packages in a chroot? |
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| 23:39.00 | dwfreed | toehio2: if you chrooted properly, aptitude should work just fine |
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| 23:40.38 | jhutchins_lt | toehio2: I believe you have to bind mount /proc and /dev |
| 23:40.41 | toehio2 | dwfreed: there was a complaint about tho lock |
| 23:40.42 | jsoft_ | chrooted? |
| 23:40.54 | jsoft_ | h. |
| 23:40.58 | jsoft_ | ok, even. |
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| 23:41.04 | jhutchins_lt | toehio2: possibly /sys, but I seem to remember only two are required. |
| 23:41.07 | Amarande | also /sys |
| 23:41.14 | Amarande | no, you need all three |
| 23:41.27 | Amarande | I had issues in a chroot when I was migrating debian over to the new hard drive initially because I didn't bind mount /sys |
| 23:41.27 | jsoft_ | Need ALL the mountpoints! |
| 23:41.36 | toehio2 | how do i do this binding? with ln? |
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| 23:42.01 | steampunkey | i need to check: is there some way to run a different application than that from /usr/bin without actually modifying files in the said directory? that is, can a user specify somehow that running "chromium" actually runs something else instead? no malicious intentions |
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| 23:42.38 | dwfreed | steampunkey: modify PATH to put the directory for the chromium you want to use ahead of /usr/bin |
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| 23:43.17 | steampunkey | dwfreed: that easy? ouch. |
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| 23:43.34 | steampunkey | dwfreed: isn't that kind of a security risk? |
| 23:44.07 | dwfreed | steampunkey: Well, yes, which is why you should ensure that what gets put in that directory is something you know is there |
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| 23:44.39 | Phil | I was trying to install some packages from Wheezy but have settled to actually just upgrade to Wheezy... however apt is still whining about dependancies on the packages I previously tried to install |
| 23:44.45 | Phil | is it possible to make it forget about these? |
| 23:45.03 | steampunkey | dwfreed: thanks. one more thing (in case you're familiar): does inotify monitor directories (guess why)? |
| 23:45.14 | dwfreed | steampunkey: yes, it does |
| 23:45.29 | steampunkey | great, thanks. |
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| 23:45.35 | steampunkey | dwfreed++ |
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| 23:45.43 | steampunkey | dpkg dwfreed++ |
| 23:45.58 | steampunkey | someone give this man a virtual beer :-D |
| 23:46.01 | steampunkey | bb |
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| 23:47.20 | dondelelcaro | !beer dwfreed |
| 23:47.20 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Gulden Drak for dwfreed |
| 23:47.40 | dwfreed | turns it away |
| 23:47.45 | dwfreed | Sorry, I'm underage |
| 23:47.50 | dwfreed | Thanks anyway :) |
| 23:48.31 | JaredKz | hey, how can I check my IP address on a debian computer? ipconfig doesn't seem to be working.. or I guess, how do I get ipconfig working? |
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| 23:49.27 | dwfreed | JaredKz: on linux it's 'ifconfig' or 'ip addr list' |
| 23:49.33 | JaredKz | oh right |
| 23:49.46 | JaredKz | facepalms |
| 23:49.52 | JaredKz | thanks =) |
| 23:49.54 | Amarande | JaredKz, generally you need to type /sbin/ifconfig if you are not root, btw |
| 23:50.00 | ksx4system | any help with dovecot config? I found a tutorial but it's probably for 1.x and I'm going to run 2.0 |
| 23:50.17 | ksx4system | http://paste.ubuntu.com/768481/ this is the error I get |
| 23:50.43 | JaredKz | sweet, thansk |
| 23:50.50 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: is there any reason why you aren't starting with the Debian default configuration? |
| 23:51.08 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: all you need is it, and then configure the authentication, and possibly make sure the pop3 and imap submodules are enabled |
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| 23:51.34 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: yes there is. I'm not using ancient 1.2 release provided with Debian, there's fresh 2.0 release in repository dedicated for squeeze |
| 23:51.47 | ksx4system | it's mentioned on Dovecot |
| 23:51.54 | ksx4system | Dovecot's website* |
| 23:52.15 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: so backport the version we distribute in wheezy or sid to squeeze. |
| 23:52.37 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: and there's no real reason not to use 1.2.15-7. |
| 23:52.52 | ksx4system | well, it's not going to make my syntax correct probably... |
| 23:52.58 | ksx4system | the reason is security |
| 23:53.00 | dondelelcaro | (since presumably this is a production machine, and you want it to work and have security updates) |
| 23:53.20 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: yes... which is why you'd use the version we distribute in stable. We do backport security fixes to it |
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