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| 00:00.24 | Amarande | apparently, kernel header changes between 2.6.32 and 2.6.39 mean that make on 195.xx no longer works |
| 00:00.34 | Amarande | required headers were removed or changed |
| 00:01.03 | Amarande | (changed i.e. placed in a different directory relative to where the code expects it, and/or renamed, if I recall reading right) |
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| 00:01.54 | civillian | I don't know |
| 00:01.56 | threadlock | i've noticed that too |
| 00:02.16 | civillian | Generally you won't get too much help on the proprietary drivers here |
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| 00:02.39 | Amarande | also: those of you on sid/wheezy and using an nvidia card with proprietary drivers: does iceweasel on those versions get the 15 points for "3D Context" support under WebGL on HTML5test? |
| 00:02.58 | Amarande | I'm wondering why debian iceweasel does not get those 15 points, since other Linux distributions apparently do |
| 00:03.44 | Amarande | I know the 195's don't make any change to this fact (3D Context was no with them, and is also no with nouveau) but I don't know if the 290's do anything differently. |
| 00:04.05 | Amarande | (using the latest aurora iceweasel from mdn) |
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| 00:07.19 | streuner_ | Amarande: why do you use Debian? |
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| 00:08.07 | Amarande | streuner: as opposed to? |
| 00:09.18 | jelly-home | Amarande: do you have a link? |
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| 00:09.27 | streuner_ | there are many OSs available, but i get the feeling, you dont have any idea |
| 00:09.32 | Amarande | jelly: http://html5test.com |
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| 00:10.37 | Amarande | Firefox Aurora on Windows scores 314, Firefox Aurora on archlinux scores 314, Iceweasel Aurora on debian scores 299. I traced the 15 points to the "3D Context" feature under "WebGL", but am curious as to why debian is missing those 15 points |
| 00:10.37 | raven | tmux in scripts: how to use tmux in a script to open four party with four different commands? |
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| 00:10.48 | jelly-home | WebGL 24/25 for Firefox 8.01 |
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| 00:11.16 | Amarande | It appears to be independent of whether open source or proprietary drivers are used, as both nouveau and nvidia proprietary drivers (it being a 3D related thing, I thought of that) give the same 299 |
| 00:11.24 | Amarande | hmm, was something taken out in iceweasel that is supported in firefox? |
| 00:11.53 | streuner_ | i doubt that |
| 00:12.11 | Amarande | though that seems odd, because from what I'm aware, the only thing about iceweasel is to allow backported updates e.g. security without breaking the firefox trademark licence |
| 00:12.39 | jelly-home | Amarande: same with iceweasel 8.0-3, i386 |
| 00:12.48 | Amarande | jelly: now that is interesting |
| 00:12.57 | jelly-home | total: 314 |
| 00:13.10 | Amarande | since I've been using aurora since 8.0 was aurora, and I can't remember the score having changed at all since then (also, this would be a regression for 9.0, which is now in beta, and 10.0) |
| 00:13.11 | jelly-home | I had to disable NoScript on the page |
| 00:13.40 | streuner_ | Amarande: why do you care about a single website at all? |
| 00:14.00 | jelly-home | streuner_: it's a web browser feature test site. |
| 00:14.07 | streuner_ | i mean, a browser fullfill my needs or not |
| 00:14.12 | raven | tmux in scripts: how to use tmux in a script to open four party with four different commands? |
| 00:14.22 | Amarande | streuner: what jelly said, it's a test for browser feature support |
| 00:14.32 | streuner_ | sure, but we all know, what kind of crap makes browser crazy... |
| 00:15.02 | Amarande | it would be like if acid3 was mysteriously missing points on debian and not on other distros or on windows on the same browser version (which it's not, but the same general idea) |
| 00:15.03 | streuner_ | Amarande: support of mp3, that sounds insane to me |
| 00:15.18 | Amarande | streuner: codecs are "bonus points", they don't go towards the core score |
| 00:15.19 | streuner_ | Amarande: if i want listen to music, i dont use a browser... |
| 00:15.20 | jelly-home | streuner_: why do you ask silly question in a tech support channel? |
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| 00:16.01 | streuner_ | Amarande: codecs? thats not a browser thingie at all :-) |
| 00:16.19 | Amarande | which is a very good thing, because if e.g. H.264 was a core basic requirement for HTML5, Debian would be pretty much dead at least as far as the US desktop user demographic is concerned |
| 00:16.42 | jelly-home | Amarande: still, webgl in particular seems to be deeply flawed and I'd only allow it for sites I absolutely trusted |
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| 00:18.48 | streuner | jelly-home: well, if he would answered my first question, we would a important step better... |
| 00:19.46 | jelly-home | I don't see how "why do you use Debian" is relevant to investigating differences in browser builds |
| 00:20.39 | streuner | besides, the maint. of iceweasel is a firefox devel too |
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| 00:22.08 | Amarande | jelly: also, I don't see how "why do you use Debian" is a question that should even be asked in #debian. why do we want to discourage people from using debian? |
| 00:22.47 | streuner | Amarande: is this discourage you at all? |
| 00:22.57 | Amarande | streuner: of course not, I continue to use Debian. |
| 00:23.24 | jelly-home | Amarande: hell, DFSG specifically forbids software that makes restrictions on usage |
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| 00:23.38 | Amarande | however, if one reacts to such questions by asking the querent why they use Debian, you're probably going to run into some people who feel that debian gurus are elitist or rude and will be discouraged from using the distribution |
| 00:24.22 | Amarande | unfortunately I've seen plenty of unforgivably rude Linux channels, especially on efnet and undernet, which is why I largely avoid the ones that aren't on oftc or freenode |
| 00:24.22 | nkuttler | why do you use debian sometimes is a relevant question |
| 00:24.36 | jelly-home | nkuttler: absolutely |
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| 00:24.50 | jelly-home | but as a first question? |
| 00:25.20 | jelly-home | "what do you use Debian for in this case" would perhaps shed some light on the use case |
| 00:25.32 | streuner | jelly-home: well, re-read what he state about iceweasel and Debian before |
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| 00:26.10 | jelly-home | streuner: I've read everything Amarande wrote so far. |
| 00:26.23 | nkuttler | is it worth reading? |
| 00:26.38 | streuner | no, not really |
| 00:26.43 | jelly-home | it's just a tech question to try out some stuff in Debian |
| 00:26.44 | nkuttler | k |
| 00:27.26 | Amarande | streuner: simply, that iceweasel aurora on debian for some reason fails to support "3D context" webgl, while aurora on Windows definitely does (the fact that I also have access to a windows machine with aurora is how I know there's a difference in the first place) |
| 00:27.35 | jelly-home | Amarande: which debian architecture are you using? My testing is 32bit, i386. |
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| 00:27.49 | ruvyduviv | upgrading from wheezy to sid? |
| 00:27.52 | ruvyduviv | how to? |
| 00:27.53 | jelly-home | Also I have no idea what Aurora is. |
| 00:27.55 | Amarande | At first I thought it was somehow something to do with Windows vs. Linux, but I've had people mention that some Linux versions have 314 also |
| 00:28.04 | Amarande | aurora is the alpha-2 version of firefox which I've been using for several months |
| 00:28.34 | nkuttler | i don't see any aurora browser in my packages |
| 00:28.53 | Amarande | (and really, I've never noticed any significant instability or bugs in it, apart from that on Windows only, Java sometimes causes the cursor to no longer appear when clicking in text entry boxes after visiting the page with the applet) |
| 00:28.54 | jelly-home | Amarande: if you want to try debian builds, there might be some on mozilla.debian.net |
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| 00:28.59 | Amarande | nkuttler: you need to go to mdn |
| 00:29.05 | Amarande | yeah, I'm using the debian build on mdn. |
| 00:29.26 | jelly-home | ah! |
| 00:29.31 | nkuttler | Amarande: i see. and you're having problems with that package? |
| 00:29.35 | jelly-home | there really is an aurora there |
| 00:29.47 | jelly-home | well, 8.0 works just fine |
| 00:29.51 | Amarande | nkuttler: nothing really obvious, because I've never actually seen a site that depends on webgl with 3D context, but for some reason that feature is not supported |
| 00:29.57 | ruvyduviv | I think that's funny |
| 00:30.03 | ruvyduviv | Firefox is now version 8.0 |
| 00:30.07 | ruvyduviv | and there have been almost no changes |
| 00:30.18 | ruvyduviv | 4.0 not much different than 3.0, 5.0 a security update from 4.02 |
| 00:30.31 | Amarande | and it's apparently specific to the debian aurora package, because aurora on archlinux and Windows both support it. |
| 00:30.49 | ruvyduviv | Don't use Firefox, upgrade to Google Chrome or Safari |
| 00:30.59 | jelly-home | Amarande: best to mail the maintainers with a preemptive query |
| 00:31.00 | Amarande | ruvy: there's safari for linux? :) |
| 00:31.05 | ruvyduviv | Yeah |
| 00:31.11 | ruvyduviv | Google Chrome is based on Safari partly |
| 00:31.14 | ruvyduviv | Read the HTTP header |
| 00:31.19 | nkuttler | nah, it's based on webkit |
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| 00:31.34 | MrFrood | Iceweasel does just fine so why downgrade to chrome? |
| 00:31.44 | ruvyduviv | I'll say one thing about Google... it's very hard finding help for their other programs like Chromium or Google Earth or Google Voice, etc |
| 00:31.44 | jelly-home | Amarande: if you can reproduce the issue with iceweasel in testing, unstable or experimental, you can file bug reports on the affected version |
| 00:31.50 | nkuttler | MrFrood: it feels snappier |
| 00:31.56 | ruvyduviv | Iceweasel just fine too |
| 00:31.59 | daemonkeeper | Because Chrome has a higher version number. |
| 00:32.05 | jelly-home | yay numbers! |
| 00:32.09 | streuner | hehe |
| 00:32.15 | ruvyduviv | Chrome's version number is too high |
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| 00:32.24 | nag | going to chrome from firefox is like going back to the stone age... because of the lack of plugins |
| 00:32.28 | ruvyduviv | How do I upgrade from wheezy to sid if I can't boot right in wheezy |
| 00:32.35 | MrFrood | nkuttler: Iceweasel from mdn ? |
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| 00:32.52 | Outlander | Hi all |
| 00:33.01 | ruvyduviv | wheezy doesn't have drivers for my legacy video card, but sid does |
| 00:33.08 | ruvyduviv | do I type aptitude dist-upgrade again |
| 00:33.14 | daemonkeeper | Or wait a week. |
| 00:33.16 | Amarande | actually, Mozilla's days as a practical browser for mainstream use may sadly be numbered anyway. |
| 00:33.17 | ruvyduviv | or aptitude sid-upgrade |
| 00:33.32 | Amarande | It all depends on how ubiquitous H.264 becomes once HTML5 video gets more popular, I suppose |
| 00:33.35 | ruvyduviv | Iceweasel is more memory efficient |
| 00:33.41 | MrFrood | talking of browsers nybody tried xxxterm? |
| 00:33.49 | Angrylogic | or surf? |
| 00:33.50 | nkuttler | Amarande: yeah, the mozilla project never managed to evolve in it's entire history |
| 00:33.54 | MrFrood | anybody |
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| 00:34.15 | ruvyduviv | It's a sad fact.... AOL also laid off or got rid of a third of their employees |
| 00:34.24 | ruvyduviv | did that include Mozilla team? |
| 00:34.27 | Angrylogic | MrFrood: I use surf, kind of similar to xxxterm, from the suckless guys |
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| 00:34.36 | Amarande | nkuttler, it's not about the general evolution, it's whether the video standard on the web ends up settling on a patented codec with a 5 million dollar a year licencing fee that pretty much forces all programs made for it to be closed-source proprietary licences. |
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| 00:34.49 | dondelelcaro | the mozilla project isn't really on topic here; see #debian-offtopic, please |
| 00:34.50 | MrFrood | Angrylogic: yeah I've tried that, not bad |
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| 00:35.57 | Angrylogic | MrFrood: Although I have problems with JavaScript heavy pages, which is bad as I'm a web dev |
| 00:36.09 | streuner | tell us news |
| 00:36.14 | ruvyduviv | How do I upgrade from wheezy to sid, a web page said "network aptitude dist-upgrade" |
| 00:36.33 | streuner | Amarande: if you want test a browser visit www.bild.de :-) |
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| 00:36.48 | ruvyduviv | it's funny, I came back here |
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| 00:37.14 | streuner | Amarande: they have all the crap what causes a crash... |
| 00:37.15 | ruvyduviv | I web searched for "wheezy to sid" and had another guy asking the same thing with no answer |
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| 00:37.55 | streuner | Amarande: and its not important for me, if some browser supports <any> feature, its important its stable... |
| 00:38.20 | MrFrood | ruvyduviv: #debian-next on oftc for sid/wheezy stuff |
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| 00:41.43 | jelly-home | Amarande: exactly the same result with iceweasel 10.0~a2+20111202042027-1 |
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| 00:42.52 | Dev0n | hey, is it possible to stop xinit.d from writing ip/host info to syslog ? |
| 00:43.11 | jelly-home | Amarande: it did pull a package, libevent-2.0-5, from unstable and not testing, but I don't think that's relevant |
| 00:45.34 | ruvyduviv | 11:22.57 ham5 dont upgrade your whole dist or youll have a pile of crap |
| 00:45.37 | ruvyduviv | I web searched for "wheezy to sid" and had another guy asking the same thing with no answer |
| 00:45.54 | ruvyduviv | 11:22.57 ham5 dont upgrade your whole dist or youll have a pile of |
| 00:45.56 | ruvyduviv | oops |
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| 00:46.03 | ruvyduviv | #debian-next unable to join channel (invite only) |
| 00:46.11 | streuner | OFTC |
| 00:46.15 | streuner | not here |
| 00:46.18 | ruvyduviv | #debian-next unable to join channel (invite only) |
| 00:46.19 | ruvyduviv | ok |
| 00:46.22 | ruvyduviv | #debian-offtopic |
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| 00:48.08 | nkuttler | !tell ruvyduviv about ssbp |
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| 00:48.30 | sedulous | !tell sedulous about ssbp |
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| 00:49.57 | jelly-home | ruvyduviv: that channel is on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org), different irc network |
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| 00:51.07 | jelly-home | Dev0n: um, what's xinit.d? |
| 00:51.33 | Dev0n | sorry, xinetd* |
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| 01:12.20 | Amarande | !ops flooding occurring in offtopic |
| 01:12.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: amarande complains about: flooding occurring in offtopic |
| 01:12.28 | MrFrood | any ops for offtopic around |
| 01:12.47 | MrFrood | dates ops thing does not seem to be working |
| 01:12.50 | dvs | colourful |
| 01:12.56 | ruvyduviv | How do I compile nvidia kernel modules or get Debian to boot in console non-GUI mode |
| 01:13.29 | ruvyduviv | basically how do I compile a whole new kernel so I can compile kernel modules |
| 01:13.34 | ruvyduviv | using the source provided by apt-get |
| 01:13.39 | ruvyduviv | I know how to get it from mirrors.kernel.org |
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| 01:14.13 | somiaj | ruvyduviv: all you have to do is in stall the linux-headers package for your kernel and you can compile modules against it |
| 01:14.41 | Juayz | http://i.imgur.com/O4VEg.jpg |
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| 01:14.44 | Juayz | new watch |
| 01:14.45 | somiaj | ruvyduviv: for nvidia, install the corresponding dkms package for nvidia and it will automatically build nvidia modules for any debian installed kernel |
| 01:14.46 | Juayz | opinions? |
| 01:14.57 | ruvyduviv | okay |
| 01:15.10 | ruvyduviv | what is the corresponding dkms package |
| 01:15.11 | somiaj | !tell ruvyduviv about nvidia-dkms |
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| 01:16.20 | Anthro | I'm using exim4 with a smarthost. It's been working fine, but I now want to switch my smarthost. The new one wants straight SSL, not TLS. It just sits and waits for exim to initiate the SSL connection. Is there a config directive I need? |
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| 01:17.57 | Dev0n | hey, how would I disable rsyslog from logging an application ? |
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| 01:22.46 | jelly-home | Dev0n: easily if your app is using one specific facility alone. If not, rsyslog has nice substring or regex based filters. |
| 01:23.12 | Amarande | hmm. what's the package for e17 on debian called? |
| 01:23.21 | jelly-home | Dev0n: I haven't set those up, just know the functionality exists. |
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| 01:23.34 | Dev0n | ahh :( |
| 01:23.38 | ruvyduviv | How do I compile nvidia kernel modules or get Debian to boot in console non-GUI mode |
| 01:23.45 | streuner | Amarande: guess |
| 01:23.46 | ruvyduviv | and what is dkms |
| 01:23.50 | jelly-home | ,versions e17 |
| 01:23.50 | ruvyduviv | ?dpkg dkms |
| 01:23.51 | judd | Package: e17 on i386 -- sid: 0.16.999.55225-1; wheezy: 0.16.999.55225-1 |
| 01:24.08 | Dev0n | maybe someone who has, I made a .conf file with: if $programname == 'app' then ~ in rsyslog.d/ but that obv didn't stop it from logging to syslog |
| 01:24.15 | streuner | Amarande: besides, e17 is stoneaged... |
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| 01:25.13 | streuner | Amarande: it was in devel 10 years ago, IIRC |
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| 01:26.20 | streuner | dpkg, factinfo e17 |
| 01:26.20 | dpkg | e17 -- last modified at Wed Mar 30 09:42:32 2011 by gsimmons!~gsimmons@chmmr.gsimmons.org; it has been requested 190 times, last by jelly-home, 2m 47s ago. |
| 01:26.42 | jelly-home | wine took 12 years to get to 1.0 |
| 01:26.47 | streuner | hehe |
| 01:27.05 | jelly-home | mutt took... dunno. But I started at like 0.27 |
| 01:27.14 | streuner | well, e is pretty dead, not talking about Debian... |
| 01:27.22 | jelly-home | just resting! |
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| 01:33.09 | dockimble | hola |
| 01:34.27 | bastidrazor | ruvyduviv: you are silly |
| 01:35.35 | dvs | and spammy |
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| 01:37.01 | Anthro | I'm using exim4 with a smarthost. It's been working fine, but I now want to switch my smarthost. The new one wants straight SSL, not TLS. It just sits and waits for exim to initiate the SSL connection. Is there a config directive I need? |
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| 01:40.14 | streuner | As far i unterstand, smarthost just redirect the issues, pretty easy |
| 01:41.15 | streuner | usually, you need just dpkg-reconfigure <MTA> and make the changes in order to use <smarthost> |
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| 01:42.20 | streuner | dpkg-reconfigure postfix works/worked like a charm for me, using <smarthost> |
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| 01:43.39 | Anthro | streuner: The config changes are taking effect. That isn't the problem. The problem is that exim isn't initiating an SSL connection. I can telnet-ssl -z ssl to the server and I get an SMTP response, but straight telnet just sits there. That's what exim is doing. |
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| 01:45.38 | streuner | Anthro: #exim 61 Exim Message Transfer Agent Support | Recent Security vulnerabilities have been announced in versions <4.72 please see http://lists.exim.org/lurker/message/20101213.140800.7c3bae4b.en.html for info |
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| 01:46.23 | Anthro | streuner: Yes, I've already asked the question in #exim and have received no response yet. That's why I'm asking here. |
| 01:46.57 | phunguy | hey i'm having trouble thinking up another type of server that requires a dedicate piece of hardware. I.E. a PBX needs FXS/FXO hardware, fax server needs a fax board. any other ideas off the top of yer head? |
| 01:47.00 | streuner | Anthro: so, have some patience, 61 people arent that much... |
| 01:47.10 | streuner | Anthro: s/much/many/ |
| 01:47.25 | ymas | I've set up exim4 / courier-imap etc. on a Debian server, however, when I receive a message in the inbox folder, the body reads "This message is no longer available on the server." but when I move it to a sub-folder, the message appears fine. |
| 01:47.30 | Anthro | streuner: Sure, but there's often exim expertise here as well. |
| 01:47.57 | streuner | Anthro: true |
| 01:47.58 | Anthro | ymas: What client are you using? |
| 01:48.05 | ymas | evolution |
| 01:48.43 | Anthro | ymas: Does thunderbird (er, icedove?) give the same behavior? |
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| 01:49.10 | ymas | let me boot up another box and check |
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| 01:53.15 | streuner | Anthro: well, if you using only smarthost, i would just install postfix and give it a try |
| 01:53.54 | Anthro | streuner: exam has served me well for a long time. I am not eager to with MTAs. |
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| 01:54.07 | Anthro | switch, that is |
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| 01:54.45 | streuner | Anthro: well, if you only using a MTA as smarthost, its not a big deal, IMO |
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| 01:55.05 | Anthro | streuner: This seems indicate that I need to use stunner: https://lists.exim.org/lurker/message/20051015.151258.b9b77e80.en.html |
| 01:55.17 | Anthro | Ugh, I need to kill this autocorrect crap. |
| 01:55.17 | streuner | in 2005? omg |
| 01:55.22 | Anthro | stunnel, not stunner |
| 01:55.28 | ruvyduviv | is mthere a way |
| 01:55.34 | ruvyduviv | is there a way to boot from the console in debian |
| 01:55.43 | ymas | Anthro, yeah, it was a client issue |
| 01:56.01 | ruvyduviv | like I remember in the old Solaris 2.5 you could boot directly from the $ shell prompt instead of going into OpenWindows |
| 01:56.05 | ymas | I'm receiving the messages fine on icedove/thunderbird |
| 01:56.05 | Anthro | ymas: So ice dove works fine? Well, at least you've narrowed it down. |
| 01:56.12 | ruvyduviv | wihtout pressing stop+a |
| 01:56.22 | ruvyduviv | K J U ^ u 1 h > / { , B A B . 3 % x K j j I m F . N ` T e l t X m A / I ` x H m * Y \ * e 8 p V |
| 01:56.24 | ruvyduviv | M o ; P o |
| 01:56.26 | ruvyduviv | % ! { ~ T V J D C G X > . + ? p : s V N * X R Z : " C O \ ` k : x p # M C c J ; < > . H M @ ] |
| 01:56.28 | ruvyduviv | 3 y * ( P & |
| 01:56.30 | ruvyduviv | > c . C } W r : b l Q # U q [ S 3 ? ; , i ~ e M I c c 5 - J { M l L s | - , H { | e ( # f |
| 01:56.31 | streuner | haha |
| 01:56.31 | ruvyduviv | # N I g ` |
| 01:56.32 | ruvyduviv | < ] $ : ` ' " z T 5 R - e R u I K $ - C p \ % o b g : O A b ( / c $ M G ; 6 E E e % ; E 3 s F c q |
| 01:56.34 | ruvyduviv | m 3 k |
| 01:56.36 | ruvyduviv | a x j @ C ] f c y O ( $ U ] / > ) M J P + ! h b m P f r * + Y > ( 0 { D ( _ a N ( p A " < ^ p , ] \ |
| 01:56.37 | ruvyduviv | ANSWER ME! |
| 01:56.38 | ruvyduviv | M G y |
| 01:56.39 | ruvyduviv | t $ m + a ` ; I f < ( A } 8 ) < Y " i ) ' O R F q U f @ z x + } 8 ( = ^ k | ; ? ; l ^ P & < |
| 01:56.40 | Anthro | ruvyduviv: Did your modem just crap itself? |
| 01:56.40 | ruvyduviv | + [ ! " |
| 01:56.44 | ruvyduviv | A d y ; - \ & _ { ! v & Z # f { \ _ < Y V e ` i - [ y Q D ] A } ! / ! K u ) F ] F . C F 2 |
| 01:56.48 | ruvyduviv | Y H t J o |
| 01:56.49 | ruvyduviv | t ( A W * K ! # ; B ^ y % v 5 N w 6 Z i i X Q T _ W T F : [ w u J n r w m Y T n S h M 1 |
| 01:56.51 | ruvyduviv | X e r j b |
| 01:56.52 | ruvyduviv | ( i K j U v L & % r b b j { M A / J x h L p ' p < k 1 \ , Q # ) T v $ e 1 V p r Q G ? e ) |
| 01:56.53 | ruvyduviv | ANSWER ME! |
| 01:56.54 | ruvyduviv | is there a way to boot from the console in debian |
| 01:56.54 | ruvyduviv | e f q |
| 01:56.57 | ruvyduviv | a _ j r / J { B < > S U % @ V Y R T @ { = N * , 0 J i I , ; N Q " ! * a R 8 e Z < l y y B c / |
| 01:57.00 | streuner | ruvyduviv: exit |
| 01:57.00 | ruvyduviv | % ( 5 [ l |
| 01:57.00 | Anthro | ruvyduviv: Yes, there is. |
| 01:57.03 | ruvyduviv | I [ B j r ] ? x F Q D b z $ | d r + ; _ S m f A K | c r z x a & / K s B 4 * C A A ` a b |
| 01:57.03 | ruvyduviv | ANSWER ME! |
| 01:57.04 | ruvyduviv | Y J d ( |
| 01:57.06 | ruvyduviv | B . V > r & ! ) @ ; ] [ q 6 [ i u l y k @ K ; w w S ) } f ( > x z > E = ' , d U g 2 e [ Q Z T P U |
| 01:57.08 | ruvyduviv | okay |
| 01:57.08 | ruvyduviv | J c ) % c |
| 01:57.09 | ruvyduviv | ; K | [ ` T v 6 * [ W H $ ) X ~ ^ Y | 5 q + E C 7 U ( U K ( ( ' ~ D e ` , _ ] ~ [ D o J y |
| 01:57.11 | ruvyduviv | P [ G 3 Y |
| 01:57.12 | ruvyduviv | H R X P b t A H M [ c { ! # k - < ' o 5 G 4 x = + l C & R l N I + F X ^ q X , U < G t z H D |
| 01:57.14 | ruvyduviv | : Q : z a |
| 01:57.16 | ruvyduviv | v : ' < [ e i U A _ = * 2 j ^ b x P C / } > e ` y , P o Z q ! o ! | K C s 6 i m ' < I B w > |
| 01:57.19 | ruvyduviv | C - Z ` r |
| 01:57.20 | ruvyduviv | How? |
| 01:57.20 | ruvyduviv | J W c K @ } | q & s R N d 8 C : \ K W Y m : - c = : d o t @ ( ] 4 - o D C : ; C , b D } : i I |
| 01:57.22 | ruvyduviv | @ D G M |
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| 01:57.25 | ruvyduviv | n A : _ % & $ c d [ 5 ~ q L ) . Z j \ A w j ` G ` / U c ! q e j N : ? c ? A $ ' A F & X ~ o F t 8 |
| 01:57.27 | ruvyduviv | * ^ & L q |
| 01:57.29 | Anthro | ruvyduviv: I might even help you do it if you FUCKING STOP THAT. |
| 01:57.29 | ruvyduviv | Y w D f Y R ~ C \ 5 z E : e R 0 k Y m 0 k ! 6 y I k m + N n V = > ^ ~ Y I S z v K o Q ] / u E N |
| 01:57.31 | ruvyduviv | M p - % z |
| 01:57.33 | ruvyduviv | * f : n Y ) d o P ~ R A R q - D J r : > > y Y l Z n m + . T [ T r w ~ t " w J i v ) 5 ` D |
| 01:57.35 | ruvyduviv | ~ [ c L |
| 01:57.36 | ruvyduviv | I stopped. |
| 01:57.37 | ruvyduviv | W L j * ^ ' + a v { { ^ W X - y A % I o v " g C ] " , @ G f g ' { < % d Z Z " q = c J @ a k |
| 01:57.39 | ruvyduviv | H . - % t C |
| 01:57.41 | ruvyduviv | i N : . X @ t M > s a q a m { f b ; L O ~ g 6 r J = H v * L f . z P i 0 z l ~ ! s m Z C g N |
| 01:57.43 | ruvyduviv | i f Q r |
| 01:57.44 | tdubellz | !ops |
| 01:57.44 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 01:57.45 | ruvyduviv | k % ~ = p ` t } n t ` d N _ U Q j T e p ; ' # J / O J D @ 3 K F ! M ? r z m I " | [ |
| 01:57.47 | ruvyduviv | ' O O % r . |
| 01:57.47 | BaW | what r u running |
| 01:57.48 | Anthro | ruvyduviv: No, you didn't. |
| 01:57.49 | ruvyduviv | ` : ` R 2 ; G 3 X H > B = W } M % ( R 0 = ~ c ; G u b H J | ) } N ' z + e - b g m = Y B j ~ y G |
| 01:57.50 | ruvyduviv | - J q g E |
| 01:57.54 | ruvyduviv | I'm running wheezy 6.0.3 |
| 01:58.06 | streuner | omg |
| 01:58.09 | BaW | u stoped |
| 01:58.10 | BaW | now |
| 01:58.11 | BaW | your good |
| 01:58.14 | BaW | thank god! |
| 01:58.14 | Anthro | Finally. |
| 01:58.15 | ruvyduviv | but can't boot because the nvidia kernel is broken |
| 01:58.16 | Artemis3 | lol |
| 01:58.30 | ruvyduviv | What I want to do is be like Mark McLemore and get this thing working |
| 01:58.32 | Anthro | ruvyduviv: You can always boot into single user mode. |
| 01:58.37 | ruvyduviv | How do I do that |
| 01:58.44 | ruvyduviv | single user is what I want, without X login screen |
| 01:58.57 | Anthro | ruvyduviv: Well, single user is kind of special. |
| 01:59.01 | ruvyduviv | like I want to boot to the "Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.3 login: password: root:/root# |
| 01:59.06 | Anthro | ruvyduviv: It's for rescue/maintenance. |
| 01:59.20 | ruvyduviv | It's what I want |
| 01:59.24 | ruvyduviv | I need rescue/maintenance |
| 01:59.37 | Anthro | ruvyduviv: You can boot into single user and disable whatever {xkg]dm init script you have set to run automatically. |
| 01:59.49 | streuner | dpkg, nodm |
| 01:59.49 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 01:59.54 | ruvyduviv | Does single user mean WITHOUT |
| 01:59.56 | ruvyduviv | Does single user mean WITHOUT X |
| 02:00.02 | streuner | no |
| 02:00.07 | Anthro | ruvyduviv: single user means without a lot of things |
| 02:00.28 | Anthro | ruvyduviv: It's just enough to mess with the filesystem, for the most part. |
| 02:00.38 | ruvyduviv | I see |
| 02:00.50 | ruvyduviv | There is a rescue mode where I can chroot /mount/sda1 or whatever |
| 02:00.54 | streuner | ruvyduviv: its a way to run like in windows, a system without *ALL* features... |
| 02:00.54 | ruvyduviv | but it's just not the same |
| 02:01.08 | ruvyduviv | remember in Windows 98 or 95 how you could boot to command prompt or dos mode? |
| 02:01.13 | ymas | hmm interesting, when I use: domainname.com for imap server, I get that message, when I use imap.domainname.com then evolution works fine |
| 02:01.15 | streuner | so, its a rescue mode |
| 02:01.22 | Anthro | ruvyduviv: And what you want to do is to remove the [xkg]dm symlink in /etc/rc2.d |
| 02:01.23 | ruvyduviv | That's what I want to do in linux, lkike slackware where you had to type startx to start X |
| 02:01.30 | ruvyduviv | k |
| 02:01.31 | ruvyduviv | gotch |
| 02:01.32 | ruvyduviv | a |
| 02:01.38 | Artemis3 | oh don't try to make an analogy with windows please |
| 02:01.47 | streuner | its the same |
| 02:01.57 | Anthro | ruvyduviv: You can also boot from a Debian install CD and use rescue mode to make that change. |
| 02:02.02 | ruvyduviv | I see S22gdm and S22gdm3 |
| 02:02.03 | Anthro | ruvyduviv: That might be easier. |
| 02:02.04 | ruvyduviv | is that what it is |
| 02:02.14 | Anthro | ruvyduviv: Yes, remove those symlinks. |
| 02:02.22 | ruvyduviv | What exactly IS gdm |
| 02:02.34 | ruvyduviv | aag I see |
| 02:02.34 | ruvyduviv | <GNOME> Display Manager (GDM) is a <display manager> based on <xdm>, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind. It uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession. http://projects.gnome.org/gdm #gdm on irc.gimp.org. Not to be confused with the General Purpose Mouse (GPM) interface, see <gpm>. |
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| 02:02.49 | ruvyduviv | Has gnome3 been brought to wheezy yet |
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| 02:02.59 | Anthro | ruvyduviv: Right. There's lots of history concerning display managers. |
| 02:02.59 | Artemis3 | it has |
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| 02:06.28 | fanderal | Using the business card to install the base, then installing Gnome DE with the pkg mgr... are the pkgs the same as when installing from the Gnome CD? Or is there some difference? |
| 02:06.58 | lstarnes | they are the same but probably updated |
| 02:07.06 | fanderal | thanks! |
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| 02:09.21 | ruvyduviv | thanks@ |
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| 02:43.14 | DummyMode | hi |
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| 02:43.55 | DummyMode | can someone point me to the documentation related to switch from state to testing? I'm using 6 and I'd like to switch to testing |
| 02:44.28 | dvs | DummyMode: There is no documentation for that. |
| 02:44.50 | DummyMode | ok, so, any tips to configure soource file? |
| 02:45.08 | DummyMode | source.list I mean |
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| 02:58.40 | bfiig | hello. i'm trying to manually connect to my AP with iwconfig. i've ran the following: >iwconfig wlan0 key s:password; iwconfig wlan0 essid "TP-LINK_BD05D2" |
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| 03:24.56 | orzo | whats a good fast way (assuming apt-file is not installed) to verify that file X is in package Y given I know X and Y? |
| 03:26.10 | zykotick9 | orzo, does "apt-cache depends foo" or "apt-cache rdepends foo" help? |
| 03:26.34 | nevyn | orzo: install apt-file |
| 03:26.54 | nevyn | orzo: if package Y is installed dpkg -L Y |grep X but... |
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| 03:28.30 | orzo | apt-file greps the contents of all packages and I want to try to do it faster simply by fetching and grepping the contents of Y without it having been previously downloaded or installed |
| 03:28.36 | cyfirus | hi sorry that such a question what are the best repository for lenny that I have is that I can not download a few things! |
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| 03:33.59 | orzo | perhaps this sort of thing is available for all packages? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/amd64/xsltproc/filelist |
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| 03:35.16 | setre | Audio question, specifically re. ALSA: Mixer PCM Output level above a certain point creates noise, how can I prevent this? |
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| 03:47.36 | nevyn | jmnz: changing your nick after asking a question is a good way to ensure you don't get a responce |
| 03:47.53 | nevyn | jmnz: a couple of options... |
| 03:47.58 | nevyn | "don't do that" |
| 03:48.00 | nevyn | is the first |
| 03:48.38 | kzman | hi, i have a problem with virtualbox in debian wheezy, vbox shows an error trying to start a virtual machine and it says that I have to run a '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup', but it is missing (??), I tried to reinstall virtualbox but it didn't work, I googled this problem and I didn't find anything |
| 03:48.42 | nevyn | if you're using pulseaudio it can set a maximum volume (that is below where the distortion/noise becomes percievable) |
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| 03:53.04 | civillian | kzman: did you install from the .deb? |
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| 03:57.21 | kzman | civillian, I installed from repo |
| 03:57.27 | kzman | apt-get install virtualbox |
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| 03:59.48 | civillian | kzman: try extracting the .deb file to a tmp directory and see if the file was in the package |
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| 04:03.41 | simonlnu | iluminator105: yay |
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| 04:08.06 | dokma | wc -l |
| 04:08.08 | dokma | paste |
| 04:08.10 | dokma | then what? |
| 04:08.43 | thwg | I'm unable to get a (u)carp interface to generate its own mac address. Any suggestions? |
| 04:08.51 | dokma | abrotman: ? |
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| 04:09.20 | dokma | arghh... CTRL+D does work but must be on it's own line |
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| 04:13.45 | iluminator105 | simonlnu, i almost had to piss in my pants almost |
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| 04:25.53 | ruvyduviv | /dns fidelio.qi-hardware.com |
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| 04:36.14 | simonlnu | iluminator105: ah well |
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| 04:59.41 | dr3mro | hello i use ubuntu but i heared that debian is more stable .. what is the difference ? |
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| 05:01.32 | civillian | dr3mro: one sucks, the other doesn |
| 05:01.36 | civillian | doesn't |
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| 05:05.52 | larrikin_ | I get {any recent gnome app}: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-3.so.0: undefined symbol: XIQueryVersion |
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| 05:09.55 | comradekingu | dr3mro: How about just going with gnome-shell? |
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| 05:10.28 | cnz | i just installed debian to my laptop and when I go into system > preferences > monitor it says unknown how do I get it to detect my monitor? |
| 05:10.37 | dr3mro | comradekingu, I like unity ? I find gnome shell confusing even if faster than unity |
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| 05:16.04 | cnz | how is gnome shell confusing/ |
| 05:16.07 | cnz | ?* |
| 05:19.38 | dr3mro | I i want to open an app or go to other work space i have to go the the upper left corenr then the right corner |
| 05:19.44 | dr3mro | to much effort |
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| 05:26.19 | cnz | uumm no you don't |
| 05:26.22 | cnz | and there's more effort in unity to open up an app than in gnome shell |
| 05:26.25 | larrikin_ | can somebody tell me if there is a way to debug this problem with gnome apps crashing due to this missing XIQueryVersion symbol ? |
| 05:26.59 | wad | Hi folks. I'm attempting to set up my debian server as a home router. It will be between my DSL modem and my home LAN. It has two NICs in it. Does my /etc/network/interfaces file look right? http://wadhome.org/~wad/interfaces |
| 05:27.05 | larrikin_ | does gnome-session have a switch that allows it to continue without it ? |
| 05:27.13 | wad | I'm going to run DHCP on the LAN side, of course. |
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| 05:30.57 | wad | Mostly, I'm interested in knowing if the gateway line is correct. |
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| 05:33.04 | civillian | wad: take out the gateway line altogether. Your DSL modem will allocate a gateway address for you |
| 05:33.21 | wad | civillian, hmm, are you sure? |
| 05:33.41 | wad | So, from a computer in the network, it goes like this: |
| 05:33.52 | cnz | what's the command to see if your vc got installed |
| 05:34.11 | wad | laptop -> LAN side of server -> WAN side of server -> LAN side of modem -> WAN side of modem |
| 05:35.03 | civillian | anyone still here? |
| 05:35.08 | cnz | wow nice |
| 05:35.08 | wad | I am |
| 05:36.03 | cnz | that's a lot of people that irc from the a webpage |
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| 05:36.34 | civillian | wad: yeh I'm sure, take that line out. |
| 05:36.39 | wad | ok |
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| 05:37.04 | simonlnu | looks like a possible split or something |
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| 05:37.12 | simonlnu | wow |
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| 05:37.16 | lstarnes | no, this isn't a split |
| 05:37.23 | lstarnes | it's network sillyness |
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| 05:37.30 | wad | civillian, so, how do the computers in the LAN know how to get out to the internet? |
| 05:37.31 | lstarnes | I don't see the usual netsplit messages |
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| 05:37.43 | lstarnes | the clients are timing out, but the connections between servers are fine |
| 05:37.47 | simonlnu | that's true enough |
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| 05:37.58 | civillian | wad: you said you will be setting up DHCP right? |
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| 05:38.10 | wad | How do I tell the server that the traffic on eth1 needs to get to eth0 for internet? |
| 05:38.12 | wad | yes |
| 05:38.18 | wad | DHCP on eth1 (the LAN side of the server) |
| 05:38.20 | wad | oh |
| 05:38.20 | epsilon | ehm, have I been gone for few min? |
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| 05:38.23 | wad | looks at that config |
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| 05:39.39 | xwalk | Evening, folks. |
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| 05:40.13 | wad | civillian, so my dhcpd.conf has: subnet 192.168.7.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { option broadcast-address 192.168.7.255; range 192.168.7.100 192.168.7.199; option routers 192.168.7.1; option domain-name-servers 68.94.156.1, 68.94.157.1, 198.60.22.2, 198.60.22.22; } |
| 05:40.15 | nardev | hello, i'm looking for handy, simpple solution to sync contacts, calendar, memos and tasks from evolution to Android phone. Does anyone know way to do that? |
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| 05:40.41 | civillian | wad: looks OK to me |
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| 05:40.56 | wad | so the router is 192.168.6.1 .... |
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| 05:41.07 | civillian | wad: huh? |
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| 05:41.22 | wad | So how does the traffic from a machine on the LAN know how to get over to eth0? |
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| 05:41.33 | wad | I'm just trying to understand this as I go along. |
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| 05:41.40 | wad | (Rather than blindly try config permutations until it works) |
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| 05:41.43 | civillian | wad: have you enabled IP forwarding in the kernel? |
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| 05:41.57 | dioz | ip masquerading |
| 05:41.58 | wad | civillian, hmm, is that an iptables thing? |
| 05:42.01 | dioz | it's called, btw |
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| 05:42.14 | civillian | dioz: I meant IP forwarding. Masquerading is different. |
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| 05:42.52 | dioz | you're looking to use a debian box as a gateway? |
| 05:42.56 | wad | This machine used to do something similar to what I'm doing now, then it was changed, and I'm kinda changing it back. |
| 05:43.07 | wad | dioz: Yes, I think that's what I'd call it. |
| 05:43.14 | wad | It will sit between my DSL modem and my home LAN. |
| 05:43.19 | wad | It has two NICs in it. |
| 05:43.20 | civillian | wad: No. See /etc/sysctl.conf and uncomment net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
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| 05:43.26 | dioz | ip masquerading is what you want |
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| 05:43.56 | dioz | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 |
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| 05:43.59 | civillian | wad: then reboot, or enable it for the current boot only with: |
| 05:44.08 | civillian | echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 05:44.53 | civillian | wad: then you'll want masquerading most likely, which is iptables. You need both unless your DSL modem knows about 192.168.7.0/24 |
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| 05:45.06 | wad | hmm |
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| 05:45.23 | wad | The DSL modem has no idea about anything past it's LAN (192.168.115.0/24) |
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| 05:45.45 | wad | *sigh* |
| 05:45.59 | dioz | the dsl modem doesn't do anything |
| 05:46.03 | wad | I've tried so many times to get the hand of iptables, but I'm always just confused. |
| 05:46.07 | dioz | but change plus and minus 5v |
| 05:46.13 | wad | lol |
| 05:46.14 | dioz | to bits and bytes |
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| 05:46.31 | wad | It actually does port forwarding to this server, which hosts email and websites and stuff. |
| 05:46.35 | wad | But that's about it. :) |
| 05:46.38 | dioz | then it's a gateway |
| 05:46.41 | dioz | not a "modem" |
| 05:46.48 | civillian | wad: If that were my setup I'd use the DSL modem in bridge mode |
| 05:47.09 | dioz | csu dsu |
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| 05:47.40 | wad | I might replace it with a different modem shortly, a cable modem. My DSL here is atrocious. |
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| 05:48.07 | wad | I'd rather keep that part of the configuration as-is, unless that will cause difficulties. |
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| 05:48.24 | wad | To make the transition easier later on. |
| 05:48.26 | cnz | wad: replacing your dsl modem with a cable modem will do no good unless you'r change over from dsl to cable internet |
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| 05:48.54 | civillian | wad: only 'difficulty' will be you now have to port forward twice |
| 05:48.59 | wad | I'm considering dropping my stupid slow unreliable AT&T DSL in favor of cable. |
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| 05:49.13 | dioz | i have no clue what you guys are talking about anymore |
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| 05:49.32 | wad | Wait, port forward twice? I don't think so. |
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| 05:49.50 | wad | I've got ISP <-> DSL modem <-> server <-> LAN |
| 05:50.07 | wad | And the modem port forwards to the server things like port 25, 80, 993, etc. |
| 05:50.09 | civillian | wad: ok so your linux router will host the stuff? once only then |
| 05:50.18 | wad | yeah. :) Only once. |
| 05:50.20 | civillian | wad: I thought you had a separate web server on the LAN side |
| 05:50.27 | wad | nope, sorry I wasn't clean. |
| 05:50.31 | wad | s/clean/clear/ |
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| 05:50.55 | wad | So, do I need to do the IP masquerading? |
| 05:51.00 | dioz | yes |
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| 05:51.12 | dioz | it's a fancy word for NAT |
| 05:51.16 | wad | Or just net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 05:51.17 | dioz | so your internal LAN machines |
| 05:51.22 | civillian | wad: both |
| 05:51.24 | wad | Oh, yeah, I think I need NAT. |
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| 05:51.29 | cnz | wad: your dsl modem isnt' a router too? |
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| 05:51.50 | wad | It depends on what you mean by "router". |
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| 05:52.09 | wad | It routes some ports to a certain IP address on the LAN side, does that make it a "router"? |
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| 05:52.35 | cnz | god nothing is more irritating than someone answering a question with a damn question |
| 05:52.43 | cnz | it's a simple yes or no |
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| 05:52.58 | wad | er |
| 05:52.59 | wad | sorry |
| 05:53.13 | wad | looks up a definition of router |
| 05:53.15 | dioz | he doesn't know if his modem is a gateway |
| 05:53.24 | dioz | a modem doesn't get a ip address |
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| 05:53.29 | dioz | a gateway gets a ip address |
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| 05:53.52 | simonlnu | nowadays modems can do both gateway and modem, so it's a little complex |
| 05:53.55 | wad | Ah, it's a gateway! |
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| 05:53.59 | dioz | if you have a modem your computer gets the ip address or your 3rd party router (gateway) |
| 05:53.59 | wad | With a static IP address. |
| 05:54.03 | wad | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Residential_gateway |
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| 05:54.40 | wad | The D-Link D-Link DSL-2540B ADSL2/2+ Modem with 4-Port Ethernet Router 24Mbps Downstream, 3.5Mbps Upstream Ethernet Port ADSL Standards: Multi-mode Full-rate ANSI T1.413 Issue 2 ITU-T G.992.1 (G.dmt) Annex A/C/I ITU-T G.992.2 (G.lite) Annex A/C |
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| 05:54.56 | cnz | then why not use your dlink for your lan? |
| 05:54.57 | dioz | so you'l wanna either bridge that |
| 05:55.04 | dioz | or DMZ your "Gateway" |
| 05:55.11 | dioz | and probably disable DHCP on that device |
| 05:55.23 | dioz | and then point all your LAN machines to your local gateway (your debian box) |
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| 05:55.47 | dioz | i do that so i can VPN all my traffic |
| 05:55.50 | cnz | dioz: why do all that, just use the router/modem to control his network |
| 05:55.58 | dioz | true! |
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| 05:56.14 | dioz | i'll give you a example tho |
| 05:56.21 | dioz | alcatel lucent has what's called "kind sight" |
| 05:56.24 | wad | cnz: that's the way it's set up now. And it sucks. Nobody on the LAN can get to their email, which is hosted on the linux server. |
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| 05:56.33 | dioz | where they watch all your internet traffic (websites you go to, content you see) |
| 05:56.42 | wad | Trying to hit any domains that I host wind up just hitting the stupid config page of the router. |
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| 05:57.30 | dioz | osunds like you got bigger issues |
| 05:57.31 | wad | dioz, yes, and I want to do that too. Keep my kids accountable for their browsing. :) |
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| 05:58.10 | dioz | do you have ip-tv? |
| 05:58.12 | wad | I spent some time in #networking a few days ago, trying to find an easier solution, and failed. Making the server be a gateway seems like the best idea. |
| 05:58.19 | wad | dioz: nope |
| 05:58.20 | dioz | do you get tv from the same people you get internet? |
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| 05:58.32 | wad | dioz: not right now. Why? |
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| 05:59.07 | dioz | so you need a box with 2 nics |
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| 05:59.11 | wad | AT&T provides my static IP and DSL internet. And my phone. I don't pay for TV, there's never anything worth watching on there. |
| 05:59.12 | dioz | and a switch |
| 05:59.18 | wad | dioz: Got it. My linux server has two NICs in it. |
| 05:59.26 | dioz | your phone is POTS? |
| 05:59.26 | wad | eth0 is the WAN side, and eth1 is the LAN side. |
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| 05:59.30 | wad | dioz: yes |
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| 05:59.50 | dioz | then setup dhcpd for eth1 and your applicable settings |
| 06:00.08 | dioz | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 06:00.13 | wad | dioz: Did the dhcp already: subnet 192.168.7.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { option broadcast-address 192.168.7.255; range 192.168.7.100 192.168.7.199; option routers 192.168.7.1; option domain-name-servers 68.94.156.1, 68.94.157.1, 198.60.22.2, 198.60.22.22; } |
| 06:00.17 | dioz | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE |
| 06:00.20 | dioz | and you're done |
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| 06:00.48 | wad | did the ip_forward thing (and also edited sysctl.conf) |
| 06:00.50 | jmnz | guys I think the reason we prefer Televison reality is that the colors are more vivid because reality has turned gray from environmental pollution from coal and oil. what do you guys think of this idea? |
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| 06:01.14 | dioz | i would agree with that |
| 06:01.18 | dioz | but your language makes it hard to say |
| 06:01.35 | dioz | are you suggesting that things around you are that way to keep you down? |
| 06:01.35 | jmnz | I'm sorry, english is not my first language. |
| 06:01.38 | jmnz | if that's an excuse |
| 06:01.39 | dioz | and there's nothing you can do about it |
| 06:01.44 | wad | jmnz: That's why clean nuclear power is my favorite. :) |
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| 06:01.53 | dioz | so you drown it all out with tv and instant gratification |
| 06:01.57 | simonlnu | jmnz: take it to #debian-offtopic please (sort of agree) |
| 06:02.16 | wad | dioz: Question about the iptables entry: Does this change to iptables stick around after a reboot? |
| 06:02.26 | dioz | no |
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| 06:02.27 | jmnz | no I mean that environmental pollution/smog make things ugly but that can be remedied with camera filters and such |
| 06:02.44 | jmnz | atleast where I'm at, it's polluted and dirty as hell |
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| 06:02.51 | wad | dioz: What's the best way to make it so? |
| 06:02.53 | dioz | add like a firewalling.script0r to /etc/init.d/ |
| 06:02.59 | jmnz | and I think I'm in one of the cleaner places in this part of the western world |
| 06:03.14 | wad | jmnz: Where are you? I'm near Los Angeles. |
| 06:03.17 | jmnz | and the contrast setting on your TV |
| 06:03.20 | wad | dioz: okay |
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| 06:03.39 | jmnz | wad: I'm supernorth, northern Sweden |
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| 06:03.52 | jmnz | wad: I hear L.A. smog is not very fun |
| 06:03.56 | wad | jmnz: What's the temperature there now? |
| 06:04.06 | jmnz | wad: -10*C or so |
| 06:04.12 | jmnz | wad: cosy |
| 06:04.12 | wad | *brrrr* |
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| 06:04.27 | jmnz | that's nothing for regular december here |
| 06:04.34 | wad | I'm not in L.A., just near. The weather is awesome in Moorpark, CA. |
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| 06:04.47 | jmnz | what's the temp in your area ? |
| 06:04.59 | jmnz | wad: I should migrate methinks |
| 06:05.05 | cnz | someone shoudl ban toxboi |
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| 06:05.10 | cnz | his flooding is getting old |
| 06:05.16 | cnz | him an dmrroth |
| 06:05.17 | jmnz | cnz: /ignore him? |
| 06:05.23 | jmnz | but I suppose yeah |
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| 06:05.40 | simonlnu | /ig <nick> joins parts quits |
| 06:05.45 | jmnz | so now you know why TV is so popular. |
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| 06:05.49 | simonlnu | (in irssi) |
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| 06:06.16 | wad | jmnz: It's probably around 50 degrees F right now. It's 10:00 PM though. It will be in the 70s durign the day. |
| 06:06.20 | jmnz | (it's because of the smog) |
| 06:06.25 | cnz | wad that is not cold |
| 06:06.39 | wad | I know. I just moved here from Utah, where it *is* cold. |
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| 06:07.03 | jmnz | wad: and the humidity? |
| 06:07.12 | wad | no idea |
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| 06:07.36 | jmnz | almost the worst thing here I find is indoors humidity turns to 0 at wintertimes |
| 06:07.40 | jmnz | because of heating |
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| 06:08.06 | jmnz | it's not good living. and not good for tobacco either for that matter. |
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| 06:10.12 | jmnz | what's the @pdpc/supporter/student/toxboi anyway? |
| 06:10.16 | jmnz | to stay off topic |
| 06:10.30 | jmnz | not a hostname that's for sure |
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| 06:11.26 | jmnz | nevermind. I just fucking googled it. |
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| 06:11.59 | jmnz | turns out that pdpc: Peer-Directed Projects Center The PDPC was originally incorporated by founder Rob "lilo" Levin in the state of Texas, in 2002, as a IRS 501(c) (3) tax-exempt corporation to run the freenode network. |
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| 06:12.27 | jmnz | good old lilo, used to spam and beg for money. made this network run it seemed. may he RIP |
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| 06:13.04 | jmnz | wad: laters foo |
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| 06:44.25 | wad | Okay, I've made the switch! My debian server is now acting as a gateway. It's properly serving DHCP on the LAN, and the websites and stuff are up. Yay! Only trouble is, computers on the LAN can't get out to the internet. |
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| 06:45.09 | wad | Not quite sure how to troubleshoot NAT and the IP tables stuff.... |
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| 06:45.39 | BertoX | Hi |
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| 06:45.59 | BertoX | does someone knows why debian squeeze still using version 1.x of dovecot ? |
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| 06:47.41 | wad | Oh, I found my error |
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| 07:01.33 | bolt | sometimes I wake up and my /etc/resolv.conf has permissions 600, making anyone except root unable to resolve stuff. i manually set it back to 644 to be able to use the internet. what could be doing this? |
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| 07:02.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: epsilon complains about: toxboi excess join/part |
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| 07:16.16 | StuckMojo | so...is aptitude still the recommended command line package management tool? |
| 07:16.46 | StuckMojo | or do most folks now use plain apt since they're both using the same underlying libraries? |
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| 07:17.33 | dwfreed | StuckMojo: a lot of people prefer aptitude, because of its nice user interface, etc.; it's really a matter of preference |
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| 07:17.55 | StuckMojo | i note aptitude isn't installed by default... |
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| 07:18.40 | StuckMojo | hmm...ok. IIRC around woody days, aptitude was strongly recommended over apt-get |
| 07:19.09 | avernos | is this good enough to execute CGI http://paste2.org/p/1813926 i still cant make it happen, perms checked |
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| 07:19.48 | avernos | does the CGI file need to be set up in any way? or any file will be read and executed? |
| 07:20.09 | dwfreed | I think back then, aptitude had a much better dependency resolver; I believe apt-get and aptitude have much more similar resolvers now |
| 07:20.16 | dwfreed | StuckMojo: ^^^ |
| 07:20.17 | avernos | i dont know if apache is searching for a index.html |
| 07:20.18 | avernos | or something like that |
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| 07:20.36 | StuckMojo | dwfreed: yeah, i too think that's the case now. in fact i think they use the same one now |
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| 07:21.00 | StuckMojo | avernos: the .cgi file needs to be world executable |
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| 07:21.18 | StuckMojo | and world readable if it's an interpreted language, like php or perl |
| 07:21.29 | avernos | python |
| 07:21.33 | StuckMojo | if it's binary it just needs to be executable |
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| 07:21.49 | avernos | so if i have a 777 test.py. it should be ok? |
| 07:21.50 | StuckMojo | right, then it needs to be r-x |
| 07:21.57 | avernos | oh |
| 07:22.01 | avernos | forgot the x |
| 07:22.13 | blawiz | is there somewhere one can request debian-updates for packages? (probably not to widely used package) |
| 07:22.25 | blawiz | (using testing) |
| 07:22.35 | GordonFreeman | hellooo |
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| 07:22.48 | dwfreed | StuckMojo: I believe it's still slightly different; aptitude, for example, allows you to easily toggle whether or not to pull in recommended dependencies; I don't recall there being a setting for that in apt-get |
| 07:22.51 | StuckMojo | avernos: basically you want 755 |
| 07:23.06 | kabars_edge | blawiz: yes, just go to the packages.debian.org and find the package, put in a request |
| 07:23.07 | avernos | StuckMojo, ok, will go for 755, but is still asking me to download it |
| 07:23.09 | StuckMojo | dwfreed: yeah apt just doesn't iirc |
| 07:23.28 | StuckMojo | dwfreed: when aptitude used to default to installing recommended, it drove me up the wall |
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| 07:23.34 | avernos | StuckMojo, that should be perms or apache problem, right? |
| 07:23.38 | StuckMojo | avernos: what is it's output? |
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| 07:23.49 | blawiz | kabars_edge, thanks! |
| 07:23.50 | StuckMojo | i.e. if you download and save, what's in the file? |
| 07:24.18 | StuckMojo | avernos: you're probably not setting the mime type in the http header correctly |
| 07:24.30 | avernos | StuckMojo, http://paste2.org/p/1813929 |
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| 07:24.48 | StuckMojo | ok, then it's not executing it |
| 07:24.57 | avernos | ok |
| 07:25.01 | StuckMojo | what's the filename on the apache server? |
| 07:25.07 | avernos | test.py |
| 07:25.18 | StuckMojo | ah, yeah you want test.cgi |
| 07:25.23 | avernos | thats what i was wondering, does it has to be something like.. |
| 07:25.24 | avernos | ohhh |
| 07:25.26 | StuckMojo | or else apache won't exec it |
| 07:25.27 | avernos | ok |
| 07:25.40 | StuckMojo | unless you tell it that a certain dir is a cgi dir |
| 07:25.40 | avernos | has to be .cgi always, independently of the language used? |
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| 07:25.50 | StuckMojo | in which case all executable files in that dir will be treated as cgi |
| 07:25.58 | avernos | oh, interesting |
| 07:26.02 | StuckMojo | ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ |
| 07:26.03 | avernos | i should look into that too |
| 07:26.04 | StuckMojo | like that |
| 07:26.25 | avernos | yes, i was wondering about that... but if i set a cgi file inside there /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ how do i call them ? |
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| 07:26.40 | avernos | in the sites-available conf? |
| 07:26.41 | StuckMojo | www.foo.com/cgi-bin/whatever.foo |
| 07:26.45 | avernos | oh |
| 07:26.53 | StuckMojo | you can just do: |
| 07:26.54 | avernos | i see, cool :D testing now ty |
| 07:27.04 | StuckMojo | ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /home/www/cgi-bin/ |
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| 07:27.22 | avernos | on the browser? |
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| 07:27.27 | StuckMojo | eh? |
| 07:27.32 | StuckMojo | no: http://paste2.org/p/1813926 |
| 07:27.36 | StuckMojo | one sec |
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| 07:28.43 | avernos | im still kind a lost with the vhost config files... so, if that ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /home/www/cgi-bin/ worked, should i put it inside where? like for example in that file, what line? |
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| 07:28.47 | StuckMojo | what apache version? |
| 07:29.08 | avernos | Apache/2.2.16 |
| 07:29.33 | StuckMojo | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_alias.html#scriptalias |
| 07:29.43 | avernos | :) |
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| 07:30.26 | StuckMojo | See Also: CGI Tutorial http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/howto/cgi.html |
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| 07:30.42 | StuckMojo | in fact... |
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| 07:30.47 | StuckMojo | you probably want to just start with that |
| 07:30.51 | StuckMojo | hmmm |
| 07:30.59 | StuckMojo | is surprised no one has screamed about off-topic |
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| 07:31.11 | StuckMojo | #debian has certainly mellowed in it's old age... |
| 07:31.14 | avernos | i've being trying to go through apache site, but it confuses me with the differences with debian |
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| 07:31.24 | avernos | hehe |
| 07:31.31 | StuckMojo | ah |
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| 07:32.32 | StuckMojo | avernos: here's the last bit you were missing: |
| 07:32.36 | StuckMojo | AddHandler cgi-script .cgi .pl |
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| 07:32.48 | avernos | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.49 | StuckMojo | if you added .py to that list, you'd be good with test.py |
| 07:32.55 | avernos | ok |
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| 07:33.00 | avernos | :D didnt see that |
| 07:33.03 | StuckMojo | avernos: exactly that is probably already in your config somewhere else already |
| 07:33.17 | StuckMojo | avernos: i found that in the tutorial |
| 07:33.27 | StuckMojo | you should probably read it ;) |
| 07:33.32 | avernos | and i will |
| 07:33.41 | avernos | i think i went through already |
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| 07:34.29 | StuckMojo | avernos: the way the debian stuff works... |
| 07:34.36 | StuckMojo | there's an overall config file |
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| 07:34.52 | StuckMojo | /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 07:34.56 | StuckMojo | but you don't want to edit that |
| 07:35.09 | avernos | ok |
| 07:35.15 | StuckMojo | however, settings in that become the defaults in your vhosts |
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| 07:35.30 | StuckMojo | in your vhost, you can override them if you want |
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| 07:35.42 | StuckMojo | i.e. change it in your vhost, don't edit apache2.conf |
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| 07:35.58 | StuckMojo | put your vhost config in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ |
| 07:35.58 | avernos | got it, if i want to change worldwide settings that would be the place, but i most likely dont wanna do that until i am certain of whats going on. the thing is |
| 07:36.10 | StuckMojo | then symlink it in sites-enabled/ when it's good to go |
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| 07:36.22 | StuckMojo | avernos: no, you never want to change it there |
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| 07:36.46 | StuckMojo | unless you want to deal with apt complaining that config files have been modified, when you apt-get safe-upgrade |
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| 07:37.22 | avernos | vhost config in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ is making me confused. in the vhost i paste bin, has different tag directories what would be the tag directoriy for /var/www/ ? do i need that? |
| 07:37.33 | StuckMojo | btw, this is all documented in: /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz |
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| 07:37.54 | StuckMojo | "tag directories" ? |
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| 07:38.58 | avernos | http://paste2.org/p/1813926 whats between line 9 and 14? |
| 07:39.02 | Guthur | has anyone noticed poor reliability from http://ftp.uk.debian.org recently? |
| 07:39.41 | StuckMojo | avernos: oh you mean directory directives |
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| 07:39.53 | avernos | uhm.. yes |
| 07:39.58 | StuckMojo | well, /var/www is the default document root |
| 07:40.04 | ompaul | Guthur: I get to ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org every time that question is asked in the last few days |
| 07:40.09 | ompaul | note ftp |
| 07:40.20 | avernos | lol, so that shouldnt be there, but its not complaining |
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| 07:40.35 | StuckMojo | avernos: it hurts nothing, but it basically does nothing as well |
| 07:40.42 | Guthur | ompaul: haven't tried the ftp |
| 07:40.47 | StuckMojo | unless /home/www were a symlink to /var/www or something |
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| 07:40.54 | StuckMojo | avernos: why are you using /home/www anyway? |
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| 07:41.08 | Guthur | it wasn't working last night, then it worked this morning for a bit, but suddenly stopped working again |
| 07:41.24 | ompaul | Guthur: note ftp:// not http:// |
| 07:41.33 | ompaul | http is missing |
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| 07:41.38 | avernos | i want to understand how www-data perms work with different directories... got a few problems with that too |
| 07:41.45 | Guthur | yeah, I'll try ftp |
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| 07:42.21 | StuckMojo | avernos: it's pretty easy really |
| 07:42.37 | StuckMojo | avernos: apache runs as a user |
| 07:42.47 | StuckMojo | that user's username is www-data |
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| 07:43.03 | StuckMojo | if the www-data user can't read the file, then apache can't serve it |
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| 07:43.38 | StuckMojo | you can test that by: sudo su - www-data |
| 07:43.44 | StuckMojo | then try to cat the file in question |
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| 07:44.00 | avernos | the problem i had was that i installed magento, and i couldnt set perms right. was either 755/777 which i didnt like obviosly. or magento complaining. so i think i needed to change owner of magento files ( in a home directory) |
| 07:44.03 | avernos | or change group |
| 07:44.13 | avernos | i still have to do quite some reading about groups |
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| 07:45.48 | StuckMojo | why didn't you like 755? |
| 07:46.05 | StuckMojo | and btw, www-data can own files |
| 07:46.09 | StuckMojo | it's a user like any other |
| 07:46.17 | StuckMojo | although it usually doesn't have login |
| 07:46.34 | StuckMojo | or at least sometimes doesn't |
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| 07:46.47 | StuckMojo | i.e. it's shell is set to /bin/false |
| 07:46.54 | avernos | oh |
| 07:47.06 | ompaul | avernos: would it be fair to say that due to inexperience you took a stock system changed it and wondered why it took more effort to keep it running |
| 07:47.13 | StuckMojo | you can su to it and act as the web server user |
| 07:47.18 | StuckMojo | it's great for testing perms |
| 07:47.24 | StuckMojo | one thing folks forget: |
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| 07:47.41 | avernos | i could write all my vhost under /var/www/ with no problems? ie. var/www/vhost1/ , var/www/vhost2/ etc.. |
| 07:47.42 | avernos | ? |
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| 07:48.04 | avernos | oh, thats a very intersting idea |
| 07:48.13 | StuckMojo | all the directories above the file you're trying to serve must be world x or else www-data can't cd into that dir |
| 07:48.16 | StuckMojo | or maybe it's world r |
| 07:48.25 | ompaul | avernos: the reason I'm asking is if you have not got anything that is very costly (remembering that it does not really take long to get stuff working), would a clean set up now make more sense? |
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| 07:49.08 | ompaul | avernos: then if you run into a problem people don't have to debug the changes on top of the actual help needed? |
| 07:49.23 | avernos | ompaul, it will, but i rather learn and understand the whole process. fixing messes are also great to learn |
| 07:49.33 | StuckMojo | avernos: that's what i do: /var/www/vhostname |
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| 07:50.09 | StuckMojo | all you need to do is remember to change the default vhost to be something else besides /var/www |
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| 07:50.15 | StuckMojo | i.e. /var/www/default or something |
| 07:50.18 | avernos | StuckMojo, uhm... after i get confy with it i will probably redo and start over as ompaul says, and do just like that StuckMojo |
| 07:50.21 | ompaul | avernos: na, learning how the system works correctly makes for a better understanding ;-) |
| 07:50.32 | StuckMojo | avernos: you'll want to read that readme |
| 07:50.46 | avernos | sounds like a good idea. i just had lots of troubles figuring out how to write the sites-available/enabled confs.. |
| 07:50.46 | StuckMojo | /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz |
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| 07:50.47 | ompaul | avernos: what the parts do you'll have to read ahh what he says |
| 07:50.57 | StuckMojo | that's where that's documented |
| 07:51.03 | StuckMojo | it's the Debian specific stuff |
| 07:51.04 | avernos | ok |
| 07:51.07 | StuckMojo | like sites-enabled, etc |
| 07:51.12 | avernos | is that the same as the man page? |
| 07:51.16 | dwfreed | jayne: mind forwarding toxboi to ##fix_your_connection? it's quite annoying and is practically flooding the channel |
| 07:51.22 | StuckMojo | i.e. what did debian change about the default Apache stuff if you installed from source |
| 07:51.28 | StuckMojo | avernos: no, very different |
| 07:51.47 | avernos | ok |
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| 07:51.53 | StuckMojo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:52.02 | StuckMojo | always in README.Debian |
| 07:52.23 | avernos | sweet, never being there before |
| 07:52.24 | StuckMojo | you can also often find example config files, etc |
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| 07:52.55 | ompaul | !ops toxboi appears to have connection issues |
| 07:52.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ompaul complains about: toxboi appears to have connection issues |
| 07:53.00 | StuckMojo | yeah it would be nice if it was somehow more prominent |
| 07:53.17 | StuckMojo | ompaul: thanks! |
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| 07:53.48 | StuckMojo | i finally /ignored parts/joins/quits to get rid of that crap |
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| 07:54.49 | StuckMojo | avernos: note the tools provided too: a2enmod and a2dismod are available for enabling and disabling modules utilizing |
| 07:54.52 | StuckMojo | the above configuration system. |
| 07:54.57 | StuckMojo | a2ensite and a2dissite |
| 07:55.42 | dwfreed | jayne: danke, but that won't catch him all the time; sometimes he joins without his cloak (and instead is @c.hotu.in) |
| 07:55.43 | avernos | StuckMojo, i think i dont have those commands |
| 07:55.48 | avernos | squeze |
| 07:55.54 | avernos | debian squeeze |
| 07:56.17 | StuckMojo | yes you do |
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| 07:56.26 | avernos | oh, needs root probably |
| 07:56.28 | StuckMojo | sudo a2<tab> |
| 07:56.32 | StuckMojo | er.. |
| 07:56.34 | StuckMojo | sudo a2<tab><tab> |
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| 07:56.48 | avernos | right... |
| 07:56.55 | StuckMojo | or just: whereis a2ensite |
| 07:57.05 | avernos | i tried before using them with normal user |
| 07:57.12 | StuckMojo | they're in /usr/sbin which isn't in normal users' paths |
| 07:57.13 | jayne | now why didn't that match? |
| 07:57.18 | avernos | why debian hide those commands hahaha |
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| 07:58.00 | StuckMojo | avernos: because you can't run them if you're not root |
| 07:58.05 | StuckMojo | it's not a debian thing, its a unix thing |
| 07:58.28 | StuckMojo | bin = normal programs |
| 07:58.39 | StuckMojo | sbin = system (admin) programs |
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| 07:58.52 | avernos | interesting |
| 07:59.00 | avernos | haha, sorry.. so many questions |
| 07:59.05 | StuckMojo | you can find lots of docs about the unix FS layout |
| 07:59.46 | StuckMojo | http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html |
| 08:00.07 | avernos | thanks! |
| 08:00.13 | StuckMojo | although that's a bit in-depth |
| 08:00.18 | StuckMojo | it's the actual standard |
| 08:00.26 | avernos | no prob, looks really good |
| 08:00.39 | StuckMojo | http://tille.garrels.be/training/unix/c74.html |
| 08:00.44 | avernos | i've being looking for somehting like that for a while |
| 08:00.58 | StuckMojo | are you aware of tldp.org? |
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| 08:01.20 | avernos | no |
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| 08:01.39 | StuckMojo | lots and lots of good stuff there |
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| 08:02.03 | avernos | :D |
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| 08:02.14 | StuckMojo | btw, the other useful thing in /usr/shar/doc/* is changelogs |
| 08:02.34 | StuckMojo | i.e. when safe-upgrade pulls down a new version of a package, you can look in the changelog to see what was changed/fixed |
| 08:02.57 | simonlnu | apt-listchanges/-listbugs |
| 08:03.12 | StuckMojo | yeah those are nice |
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| 08:03.23 | StuckMojo | but only installed if you think to |
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| 08:03.31 | StuckMojo | the doc stuff is always there ;) |
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| 08:05.26 | simonlnu | ty jayne |
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| 08:06.09 | dwfreed | jayne: modes don't like you, do they? |
| 08:07.23 | dwfreed | I suggest toxboi!*@*$##fix_your_connection |
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| 08:08.03 | jayne | dwfreed: what do you mean? |
| 08:08.35 | jayne | why is c.hotu.in not catching that? |
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| 08:09.05 | dwfreed | jayne: you may know better, but iirc, hostnames don't match cloaks |
| 08:09.11 | jayne | dwfreed: they should |
| 08:09.20 | dwfreed | indeed |
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| 08:09.36 | jayne | but just in case, let's try this |
| 08:11.03 | dwfreed | jayne: seems to have worked; he used to be joining every 30 seconds or so, now he's not at all |
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| 08:11.30 | jayne | I'm going to have to go source-diving and see how that matching logic works, apparently |
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| 08:11.38 | jayne | because I've either forgotten or never understand how it worked originally |
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| 08:16.39 | simonlnu | jayne: are you on the !ops list ? |
| 08:16.46 | simonlnu | checks |
| 08:16.52 | jayne | probably not |
| 08:17.08 | simonlnu | i'll add you |
| 08:17.20 | jayne | I wouldn't bother, to be honest |
| 08:17.33 | jayne | Usually those are a ton of nicks on a line, in which case my client will supress any potential highlight anyway. |
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| 08:18.30 | simonlnu | mm, ok. well i just did. i'll remove it then :) |
| 08:19.02 | simonlnu | ok, restored it |
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| 08:28.41 | bruciasse | Hi all, I'm not sure this is a Debian (wheezy) specific issue, but I'm having troubles mounting NFS volumes: all users/groups seem to be squashed to nobody/nogroup regardless of the options in /etc/exports and despite the fact that uids and gids on the two machines involved match. |
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| 08:30.05 | StuckMojo | bruciasse: does "mount" show that your options in /etc/exports are being set? |
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| 08:36.29 | bruciasse | StuckMojo, actually, there seems to be a discrepancy. |
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| 08:37.33 | bruciasse | StuckMojo, between /proc/fs/nfs/exports on the server and the output of mount on the client, if that's what you mean... |
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| 08:41.01 | khem_ | where can I get the headers for sys/capability.h (LINUX_CAP) ? |
| 08:41.31 | bolt | sometimes I wake up and my /etc/resolv.conf has permissions 600, making anyone except root unable to resolve stuff. i manually set it back to 644 to be able to use the internet. what could be doing this? |
| 08:42.07 | khem_ | bolt: do you have any weird DHCP settings, or maybe crontab scripts underlying? |
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| 08:43.58 | bolt | khem_: none of my cron scripts poke that file nor run dhclient again. i don't think i have any weird settings either. i use a pretty standard installation of pfsense to hand out an ip to this box. it has a static assignment for my mac address |
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| 08:45.02 | bolt | khem_: making a script to poke it now though. to figure out when it happens. |
| 08:46.13 | bolt | khem_: a google search for "resolv.conf" 600 gives quite a few results, though i've been unable to find a consistent answer that makes sense on my machine |
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| 08:47.12 | khem_ | bolt: what processes are running on your machine? |
| 08:47.35 | khem_ | can you paste that into pastebin? |
| 08:47.42 | bruciasse | bolt: I was just browsing the package list and found "daemonfs". According to its description, it might help you find out when the file is tampered with. |
| 08:47.58 | pif | hi, I have sun-java6-plugin installed, yet iceweasel complains of a "missing plugin", any idea? |
| 08:48.38 | simonlnu | !icedtea |
| 08:48.38 | dpkg | IcedTea is a <Java> implementation based on <OpenJDK> and GNU Classpath, which can bootstrap OpenJDK using only free software components. It currently provides the only working free software Java web browser plugin. Packaged for Debian as icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze) and icedtea-gcjwebplugin (Lenny). http://icedtea.classpath.org/ |
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| 08:50.12 | pif | same thing with icedtea6-plugin |
| 08:50.45 | bolt | khem_: currently not very much: http://pastebin.com/harzsEXe |
| 08:50.59 | bolt | khem_: in case you're wondering, this chat client runs on another machine :) |
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| 08:52.54 | bolt | bruciasse: thanks. i'll check it out |
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| 08:55.08 | Dodek | hey, how do i find all packages that are installed from "testing" repository? |
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| 08:57.53 | batouzo | Dodek: maybe using ?queries in aptitude ? |
| 08:58.17 | CissWit | aptitude search '~i ~Atesting' should work |
| 08:58.43 | batouzo | yes |
| 08:58.52 | batouzo | where was that list of ~options |
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| 08:59.44 | CissWit | in the Search Term Reference of the aptitude aptitude user's manual |
| 09:00.22 | batouzo | Dodek: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 09:00.36 | StuckMojo | well i'm out |
| 09:00.39 | StuckMojo | avernos: good luck |
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| 09:00.43 | batouzo | Dodek: example use aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
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| 09:00.52 | batouzo | CissWit: is the url above the correct one, or is there more officiall one? |
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| 09:01.02 | avernos | :) |
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| 09:01.15 | Dodek | batouzo: thanks |
| 09:02.15 | CissWit | batouzo: this is the one. |
| 09:02.38 | batouzo | doesnt look very officially... maybe should be mirrored to debian.org :) |
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| 09:05.37 | jelly-home | batouzo: you can install aptitude-doc package and read it locally |
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| 09:28.24 | savr | hi |
| 09:29.04 | savr | does anyone have a bash script for debian6 to optimise it for low memory usage? |
| 09:29.23 | savr | maybe to secure it up a little more |
| 09:29.37 | savr | I'm a little too tired to do it all manually |
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| 09:30.13 | savr | google is finding me for debian5 not 6 |
| 09:30.44 | petern__ | a bash script... |
| 09:30.58 | savr | or any script |
| 09:31.20 | savr | I may be running dash within a few minutes |
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| 09:31.39 | joltcan | savr: hold on, I think I know one |
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| 09:31.51 | DimmuR | anyone here using bumblebee on nvidia optimus technology? |
| 09:32.28 | savr | thanks joltcan |
| 09:32.32 | joltcan | savr: I used http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/bootstraping-low-end-vps-with-pre-built-scripts/ even though it is for debian 5, don't think I had any problems with that |
| 09:32.50 | savr | joltcan: haha that is the exact one I have |
| 09:33.15 | savr | joltcan: the first line checks if it is debian 5 or kills the script |
| 09:33.24 | savr | joltcan: plus it has a few bugs all over |
| 09:33.33 | petern__ | oh dear... looking for my debian cd installer |
| 09:33.34 | joltcan | savr: ok, maybe I patched it then :) |
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| 09:33.41 | petern__ | just found a cd labelled etch... |
| 09:34.02 | savr | joltcan: meh I'll just do it manually before patching |
| 09:34.55 | joltcan | savr: sorry that I couldnt help ye |
| 09:35.06 | savr | joltcan: thanks anyway |
| 09:35.23 | savr | joltcan: what type of vps do you have? |
| 09:36.37 | joltcan | savr: thats a really good question, might be xen |
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| 09:41.11 | savr | W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org lenny Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 09:41.12 | savr | W: Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian-security/dists/lenny/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 128.30.2.36 80] |
| 09:41.18 | savr | wtf? |
| 09:41.34 | savr | joltcan: how much are you paying? |
| 09:47.30 | batouzo | savr: try doing apt-get update first |
| 09:47.36 | batouzo | it helps in rare cases |
| 09:48.03 | savr | batouzo: that was from apt-get update |
| 09:48.04 | batouzo | how to list the pubkeys my apt now has/trusts? to see if AED4B06F473041FA ( savr ) is there too? |
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| 09:52.08 | qop2 | this is one of the reasons I dislike dpkg... please help me no to regreat coming back to Debian... I wanted to install google-earth by dpkg -i it told me lsb-core was missing so I installed it, then I've retried the install but it tells me that the package is in a bad state and that I should reinstall it, but then reinstall fails exit 1, uninstall tells me to reinstall before remove???! |
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| 09:52.57 | qop2 | rpm -UivhK --force would have fixed this... no wait, this would not even had happened in rpm... |
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| 09:54.05 | sivik | is there a way to build 10 GB drivers for nics on a supermicro (AOC-STGN-i25) |
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| 09:57.59 | Math^ | hey guys, I'm using an init script for minecraft, but it's not working when I do a server (re)boot |
| 09:58.44 | Math^ | tho it's working when starting it up manually, I'm getting this message when I try to do an update-rc.d http://pastebin.com/3hYkEAGC - anyone who can help me out? :) |
| 10:00.12 | Math^ | I tried to change the LSB defaults in the script, but I was still getting the same message when trying to do update-rc.d |
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| 10:06.54 | qop2 | FK!!!! |
| 10:06.54 | qop2 | aptitude reinstall or remove ./google-earth-stable_current_amd64.deb |
| 10:06.55 | qop2 | FAIL |
| 10:07.03 | qop2 | how do I force dpkg/aptitude to not be too punkish and just uninstall it |
| 10:08.01 | DelTree | what does it say exactly ? |
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| 10:08.14 | qop2 | A package failed to install. Trying to recover: |
| 10:08.31 | qop2 | for both remove and reinstall, because it requires lsb-core |
| 10:08.44 | sivik | have you tried installing lsb-core? |
| 10:08.49 | DelTree | apt-get -f install |
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| 10:09.02 | qop2 | and aptitude cant find it... synaptic complains that it needs to be reinstall it but doesnt find it in the repos... of course not... |
| 10:09.49 | qop2 | I shuld have installed googlearth-package instead, and no it complains to install lsb-core with failed dependencies |
| 10:09.59 | sivik | qop2, is that of course not for me? If so, try installing lsb-core and then try googleearht |
| 10:10.10 | qop2 | DelTree: that safe? I am afraid it will refuse to uninstall afterwards |
| 10:10.25 | qop2 | sivik: I can not.... |
| 10:10.40 | sivik | why can you not do a aptitude install lsb-core? |
| 10:10.46 | DelTree | qop2: it will refuse until it gets to some sane point... |
| 10:10.49 | qop2 | dpkg refuses in all its punk glory to do anything until I fix that broken pakage |
| 10:10.49 | dpkg | qop2: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 10:11.09 | qop2 | exact |
| 10:11.25 | qop2 | it should never break in first place :S |
| 10:11.29 | savr | if I am on a openvz vps I should install the openvz kernel package? or is that only for the master node? |
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| 10:11.49 | qop2 | it should just have said "failed deps I wont install this sht" |
| 10:12.07 | qop2 | instead of half-kinda-install-it-or-something |
| 10:12.19 | sivik | why can you not run aptitude install lsb-core? |
| 10:13.01 | qop2 | because the other package is broken... |
| 10:13.27 | qop2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:13.50 | savr | joltcan: you probably know |
| 10:14.19 | qop2 | last time something like this happened to me with a haskell package and after a month I could not find a solution so I dumped Debian for 6 years |
| 10:14.33 | qop2 | and I tried for a couple momths to fix |
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| 10:14.56 | qop2 | I love debian... but I hate dpkg .. |
| 10:15.03 | qop2 | odd isnt it |
| 10:15.53 | DelTree | apt-get -f install |
| 10:16.16 | DelTree | to fix whatever is broken... nothing will work as long as the situation is not sane... |
| 10:17.09 | qop2 | DelTree: E: The package google-earth-stable needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 10:17.12 | qop2 | cant |
| 10:17.40 | DelTree | damn |
| 10:18.30 | jelly | qop2: that package comes from google's own repository and is not part of Debian |
| 10:19.27 | qop2 | no... really? |
| 10:19.59 | savr | anyknow? |
| 10:20.09 | savr | if I am on a openvz vps I should install the openvz kernel package? or is that only for the master node? |
| 10:20.54 | jelly | qop2: http://www.google.com/earth/download/ge/agree.html |
| 10:21.30 | qop2 | I know! thats why I've downloaded the deb... then I gently asked dpkg to install this local package, it tells me the dependencies are unmet,.... and installs it anyway! :S |
| 10:22.04 | qop2 | jelly: yup, have it in my local dir |
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| 10:23.04 | jelly | qop2: typically after a dpkg -i fails, apt-get -f install is enough to make apt figure out the missing dependencies and finish the installation |
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| 10:23.38 | qop2 | jelly: yes because apt is used to handle everything within the repos |
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| 10:24.13 | baresedoc | list! |
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| 10:24.24 | baresedoc | !list |
| 10:24.24 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 10:24.33 | qop2 | but the world is not perfect, some times an user might install standalone pkgs... and while I understand this is not ideal, the whole thing should not fall apart because of it, dont you think? :s |
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| 10:25.49 | qop2 | last time I ended up editing post install scripts for a couple weeks :( |
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| 10:26.36 | DelTree | is you pkg made for debian ? |
| 10:26.39 | DelTree | your* |
| 10:26.54 | qop2 | DelTree: http://www.google.com/earth/download/ge/agree.html |
| 10:27.45 | jelly | qop2: well, apt really wants a clean situation before installing or really doing anything else. You have at least two options. Force removal of said package, or fix whatever is making it not finish the installation. |
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| 10:28.12 | jelly | qop2: you'd use dpkg for forced removal. |
| 10:28.16 | qop2 | jelly: how do you force remove it? |
| 10:28.24 | petemc | or choice number 3, kvetch |
| 10:28.43 | jelly | qop2: can you pastebin the complete output of the failed installation attempt? Which Debian release are you using? |
| 10:28.44 | DelTree | Linux |
| 10:28.49 | DelTree | Bibliothèques LSB 4.0 (Linux Standard Base) |
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| 10:28.57 | DelTree | $ aptitude search lsb-base |
| 10:28.58 | DelTree | i lsb-base - Script d'initialisation Linux Standard Base 3.2 |
| 10:29.04 | qop2 | stable... whatever number stable is... |
| 10:29.06 | DelTree | no good for squeeze... |
| 10:29.19 | DelTree | won't work with debian stable... |
| 10:29.32 | qop2 | DelTree: no...... really?! |
| 10:29.36 | DelTree | debian stable has lsb-base 3.2, the thing wants 4.0... |
| 10:29.51 | DelTree | you should have rtfm before breaking... ;p |
| 10:30.01 | jelly | DelTree: how do you know the thing "wants" 4.0? |
| 10:30.02 | qop2 | DelTree: yet it was happy to break the system anyway :) |
| 10:30.17 | qop2 | wahatever. hold on lemme see what paste I can get you :) |
| 10:30.48 | DelTree | jelly: that's written on the very webpage qop2 gave... ^_^ |
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| 10:31.56 | jelly | I don't see that on http://www.google.com/earth/download/ge/agree.html |
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| 10:32.19 | jelly | qop2: you may run dpkg -i ....deb again |
| 10:33.35 | qop2 | google-earth-stable depends on lsb-core (>= 3.2); however: |
| 10:33.37 | DelTree | jelly: on the right hand side of the page... system requirements... |
| 10:34.00 | jelly | I don't have a right hand side at all |
| 10:34.21 | DelTree | jelly: just below the "download" button ? |
| 10:34.52 | DelTree | oh damn... I've moved... |
| 10:34.59 | DelTree | http://www.google.com/intl/en/earth/download/ge/ |
| 10:35.02 | DelTree | there... |
| 10:35.48 | jelly | dpkg -I foo.deb states Depends: lsb-core (>= 3.2), ia32-libs |
| 10:35.48 | dpkg | package foo.deb states Depends: lsb-core (>= 3.2), ia32-libs is already installed |
| 10:35.56 | ayambit | Why it is so? |
| 10:35.57 | ayambit | netstat -nlp | grep 8710 |
| 10:35.57 | ayambit | tcp6 0 0 :::8710 :::* LISTEN 4880/apache2 |
| 10:35.57 | ayambit | but echo 'GET /' | nc 127.0.0.1 8710 gives html page too? |
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| 10:36.00 | jelly | dpkg: shut up |
| 10:36.00 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
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| 10:36.41 | batouzo | dpkg: bender |
| 10:36.42 | dpkg | from memory, bender is a robot that was in the greate FUTURAMA tv series |
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| 10:36.54 | jelly | dpkg: be quiet |
| 10:36.54 | dpkg | Ah, shuddup. |
| 10:37.34 | qop2 | dpkg sleep 10 |
| 10:37.34 | dpkg | wish i knew, qop2 |
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| 10:38.40 | qop2 | http://pastebin.com/MsHtuRKV |
| 10:38.43 | qop2 | jelly: ^ |
| 10:38.47 | DelTree | dpkg -P dpkg |
| 10:38.47 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, DelTree |
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| 10:39.34 | qop2 | eh who removed sleep from the bot |
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| 10:46.10 | qop2 | dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq google-earth-stable_current_amd64 |
| 10:46.10 | dpkg | rips the still-beating --force-remove-reinstreq google-earth-stable_current_amd64 from qop2's chest, leaving qop2 in a coma. |
| 10:46.27 | qop2 | dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove google-earth-stable_current_amd64 which isn't installed. |
| 10:46.27 | dpkg | qop2: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request |
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| 10:46.53 | qop2 | so, dpkg is not even sure it is installed or not |
| 10:47.04 | qop2 | rally... |
| 10:47.35 | savr | arghhh locale is not installed |
| 10:49.04 | qop2 | hold on think it is working... |
| 10:49.13 | qop2 | crosses fingers |
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| 10:49.56 | qop2 | yup! works! omg |
| 10:50.02 | jelly | qop2: and "apt-get -f install" after that? |
| 10:50.12 | qop2 | thought it was going to be like with that haskell pkg... |
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| 10:50.26 | savr | apt-get -f install wanted to remove apt for me….. |
| 10:50.34 | qop2 | ran this twice: dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq google-earth-stable_current_amd64 |
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| 10:50.47 | savr | worked around it |
| 10:50.59 | jelly | qop2: the package name is just "google-earth-stable" |
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| 10:51.07 | qop2 | really, apt should not be so freaking punk |
| 10:51.16 | qop2 | it needs some tolerance |
| 10:51.28 | qop2 | jelly: yup |
| 10:51.38 | jelly | qop2: apt only works with a well ordered state of affairs. |
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| 10:51.58 | qop2 | it works with a PERFECT order of state ;) |
| 10:52.23 | qop2 | it should be able to tolerate a little bit of deviation without going all psycho :P |
| 10:52.38 | jelly | feel free to provide patches. |
| 10:53.03 | qop2 | I will build a good bugzilla first of this week :) |
| 10:53.27 | qop2 | but dont feel like messig with perl... dpkgand apt are perl isnt it |
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| 10:53.34 | flamingspinach | I found this handy tip but am wondering how to implement it with Debian's grub2 http://sidvind.com/wiki/GRUB:_Boot_another_OS_once#Sample:_Alternate_between_two_entries |
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| 10:57.00 | qop2 | btw, is there a way to make a pkg snapshot? |
| 10:57.24 | qop2 | eh nvm, I gotta run to school :S l8tr |
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| 10:59.48 | savr | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 11:00.08 | savr | oh what fun it is to run dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 11:26.58 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 11:27.14 | bolt | dpkg, greet dury |
| 11:27.15 | dpkg | Hi there, dury |
| 11:27.36 | dury | I just install squeeze |
| 11:27.45 | dury | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:28.43 | dury | the problem is ... can't lanch nautilus as root |
| 11:29.13 | nkuttler | dury: you shouldn't use nautilus as root |
| 11:30.25 | dury | just to copy files to /var/www that's all nkuttler |
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| 11:33.25 | nkuttler | dury: you should learn about basic unix permissions, use mv on the command line |
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| 11:37.33 | dury | nkuttler: it's easier for me to do it graphically... you know what i mean? |
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| 11:40.18 | boudiccas | dury; if you want to do it graphically, do .......sudo apt-get krusader.... then .... sudo krusader...... and navigate where you want to go in each pane |
| 11:40.20 | dury | nkuttler: are there another way to do it |
| 11:40.52 | boudiccas | then move files to your hearts content |
| 11:41.29 | dury | boudiccas: and copy files as well |
| 11:41.45 | boudiccas | dury; yes, you can copy files with krusader |
| 11:43.08 | manolitos | dury: Or, If you are on the host run: gksudo nautilus. If you are connected through ssh, then you should connect with the X-forwarding flag (ssh -X root@host) |
| 11:43.11 | babilen | dury: gksu(do) nautilus -- Note that it needs to be installed and you have to configure sudo to work for the sudo backend. (/msg dpkg sudo -- /msg dpkg sudoers -- "adduser USER sudo") |
| 11:44.21 | babilen | dury: But still, learn to use the command line -- /msg dpkg general cli tutorial |
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| 11:44.53 | dury | I will |
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| 11:46.42 | LEGRAND | ciao |
| 11:46.45 | LEGRAND | !list |
| 11:46.45 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
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| 11:51.21 | war9407 | Anyone here ever get a custom MIB to work with snmpd? |
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| 11:52.41 | daGrevis | Hey! Are there ant page that displays what packages are installed in Debian 6? |
| 11:52.45 | daGrevis | *any page |
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| 11:52.54 | daGrevis | by default |
| 11:53.43 | AldenisZen | I changed the port for ssh... would I just append a colon and the new port number to the ip? |
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| 11:57.04 | jarco_ | Hello. I have setup a vhost in apache2 and put a index.html in it. When I go to the domain it sais 404 not found. Any suggestions? |
| 11:57.44 | AldenisZen | I got my question answered. |
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| 12:02.15 | batouzo | what I need to install to have opengl in software mode? |
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| 12:05.21 | dury | hey guys want to add flash player for browsers... how to in squeeze |
| 12:06.03 | bolt | !tell dury about flash |
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| 12:10.26 | AbuDhabi | Hi. I have a bunch of non-Linux partitions in /media/, and would like to automatically mount them at system startup. As it is, I have to try to access them and give root password to do so, manually. I'm running Squeeze. Anyone know how to do this? I have tried using a method that worked in Lenny (fstab), but that somehow resulted in no access to the partitions at all. Under Lenny, these partitions were in /mnt/ not /media/, though. |
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| 12:11.12 | gnugr | !tell batouzo -about opengl |
| 12:12.57 | bolt | AbuDhabi: the mount point does not matter. to mount them at boot time, put them in fstab. if that doesn't work as expected, pastebin your fstab for us |
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| 12:13.16 | batouzo | gnugr: already libgl1-mesa-glx is installed ... anything else needed? |
| 12:16.11 | AbuDhabi | bolt: http://pastie.org/2985615 |
| 12:16.33 | AbuDhabi | This is the current state, where I commented this stuff out because it didn't do what I expected it to do. |
| 12:17.13 | AbuDhabi | Odd-numbered lines, IIRC, are ported directly from Lenny, even-numbered are what Squeeze suggested when upgrading (also, IIRC). |
| 12:18.03 | bolt | AbuDhabi: you should use the UUID ones where possible. then you can move harddrives around with less issues |
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| 12:18.30 | daGrevis | > Hey! Are there any web page that displays what packages are installed in Debian 6 by default? |
| 12:18.42 | batouzo | gnugr: ir works now.. wehn added libgl1-mesa-dri .. incredibly slow thou |
| 12:18.50 | AbuDhabi | bolt: Right-o. Even so, neither properly mount my drives. |
| 12:19.14 | bolt | AbuDhabi: what happens if you uncomment the UUID lines and then attempt to mount the drives? |
| 12:19.23 | dury | there is I think a way to add in source list flashplugin-nonfree |
| 12:19.35 | dury | how is it |
| 12:19.55 | bolt | just ask dpkg the questions it sent you |
| 12:19.59 | bolt | it should be in there |
| 12:20.04 | bolt | @dury |
| 12:20.07 | abrotman | dury: it's in non-free? |
| 12:20.23 | dury | red the what dpkg says but not understand |
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| 12:20.42 | AbuDhabi | bolt: I don't actually remember. BRB, will reboot and see. |
| 12:20.49 | bolt | AbuDhabi: don't reboot |
| 12:20.50 | bolt | argh |
| 12:21.09 | nkuttler | flashplugin-nonfree is in contrib |
| 12:21.12 | bolt | what's with windows people and rebooting |
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| 12:21.14 | bolt | :( |
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| 12:21.35 | outlaw84 | flashplugin-nonfree should renamed to flashplugin-working |
| 12:21.49 | abrotman | uhhuh |
| 12:22.00 | mosno | smirks |
| 12:23.30 | outlaw84 | Hi, I am having some problems with my gnome3, after I log in from gdm3, the loginscreen disapears but nothing more happens. Which log should I try to check? I tried to check the gdm3 logs but did not see anything interesting there and I could not find anything that seams to connect to gnome3 in /var/log |
| 12:24.07 | abrotman | outlaw84: i think the gnome error log is in your $HOME |
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| 12:25.00 | dury | http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/flashplugin-nonfree/download I don't know how to continue |
| 12:25.01 | outlaw84 | abrotman: I don't have anything close to that in my $HOME |
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| 12:25.24 | mosno | outlaw84: i actually have trouble with flashplugin-nonfree in sid... it doesn't play certain youtube vids for some reason |
| 12:25.25 | abrotman | dury: are you running sid? |
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| 12:26.08 | abrotman | outlaw84: it used to be $HOME/.gnome-errors or something like that |
| 12:26.13 | AbuDhabi | What happens is that I get a load of ASCII rubbish at startup and complaints that the mounter 'cannot access mount point'. |
| 12:26.25 | dury | abrotman: how can I know that... sorry to ask you that :( |
| 12:26.42 | abrotman | outlaw84: fwiw, i had that, i moved .gnome, started gnome, logged out, moved it back, problem gone |
| 12:26.57 | abrotman | dury: use the one from squeeze |
| 12:27.10 | AbuDhabi | Curiously, the Windows partition mounts, though. |
| 12:27.13 | AbuDhabi | The others don't. |
| 12:27.32 | outlaw84 | abrotman: I only have '.gnash/ .gnome2/ .gnome2_private/' in my home I am kde user :P |
| 12:27.42 | abrotman | fine .gnome 2 |
| 12:27.45 | abrotman | grr |
| 12:27.49 | abrotman | .gnome2 |
| 12:28.08 | dury | abrotman: you mean from synaptic |
| 12:29.12 | abrotman | dury: sure! |
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| 12:30.40 | WhutIsThis | Hi, could someone tell me what is wrong with this: echo "ibase=16;obase=16;$LINE-00000438" | bc ? |
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| 12:30.59 | abrotman | is there an error? |
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| 12:31.06 | WhutIsThis | No the result is wrong |
| 12:31.10 | daGrevis | this helped me... http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a |
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| 12:31.37 | WhutIsThis | i want to calculate $LINE minus 438 in hex |
| 12:31.39 | AbuDhabi | bolt: So, what do I do now? |
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| 12:32.08 | abrotman | WhutIsThis: you might get more help in #bash |
| 12:32.19 | AbuDhabi | I have a sneaking suspicion that this has something to do with the labels. |
| 12:32.33 | abrotman | labels AbuDhabi |
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| 12:32.41 | WhutIsThis | thanks i try it here |
| 12:33.21 | AbuDhabi | Or maybe not. It was supposed to go into /mnt/Windows but it's in /media/<random ascii crap>. |
| 12:33.47 | abrotman | that's an automounter |
| 12:34.30 | jarco_ | how can i find the cause of this problem. I have a webpage that tries to connect to a database. But the connection keeps failing. Sql is running. The database exists. And the user and password are correct ... |
| 12:34.35 | dury | there is a way to install flashplugin-nonfree adding in /etc/apt/sources.list the word nonfree or something like that and then in terminal it's apt-get install flashplugin... is it correct |
| 12:34.37 | outlaw84 | abrotman: I still can't log into gnome :/ |
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| 12:35.33 | _interference | hi, im running squeeze stable 32-bit with gnome. when i turned on my machine this morning, i wasn't able to log in through the gnome login screen. on entering the password, the screen turns black, and it seems like gdm is loading, but then i just get back to the login screen. however, logging in through the terminal is possible. is this a known problem, because i couldn't find any info on it? |
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| 12:36.17 | outlaw84 | abrotman: and what is strange is that, I have another computer has is using the same arch and dist, it is working on that computer |
| 12:36.19 | abrotman | outlaw84: install another WM does that work? |
| 12:36.32 | outlaw84 | abrotman: Yes I have a working KDE |
| 12:36.45 | dury | can someone drive me to solve it please |
| 12:36.52 | outlaw84 | abrotman: And it starts from gdm3 without any problems |
| 12:36.59 | abrotman | outlaw84: and/or, does it work for a new user? |
| 12:37.12 | outlaw84 | abrotman: I will try |
| 12:37.58 | outlaw84 | abrotman: but since we delete all .gnome-things I feel that it is not user specific, but I am checking now |
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| 12:42.43 | outlaw84 | abrotman: I tested with a new user, no differance, but I did not notice something... while the session is trying to login I have some activity on '/usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system' about 26% cpu, for 1 core. And if I restart dbus the loginin stops |
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| 12:43.57 | abrotman | outlaw84: aptitude install gniome ? |
| 12:44.04 | abrotman | uh gnome |
| 12:45.14 | outlaw84 | abrotman: already installed |
| 12:45.48 | abrotman | again ? |
| 12:46.55 | abrotman | outlaw84: train about to go underground .. connection will drop |
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| 12:47.30 | outlaw84 | abrotman: thanks for info |
| 12:48.04 | outlaw84 | abrotman: I think I found a relevant problem tho... 'dbus[24860]: [system] Failed to activate service |
| 12:48.07 | outlaw84 | 'org.freedesktop.Avahi': timed out |
| 12:48.10 | outlaw84 | in syslog |
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| 13:19.50 | Mogget | I have somehow managed to set my caret to black in terminals. Any idea how i can change that back to white? |
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| 13:20.34 | bolt | Mogget: depends which terminal emulator you're using, I think |
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| 13:23.42 | abrotman | outlaw84: any luck ? |
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| 13:24.00 | abrotman | Mogget: he asked which it was broken in |
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| 13:24.39 | spal | is there a utorrent package for Debian? I am using Wheezy. |
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| 13:25.09 | KBme | wheezy isn't debian afaik |
| 13:25.43 | abrotman | it is |
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| 13:25.50 | abrotman | judd: versions utorrent |
| 13:25.50 | judd | No package named 'utorrent' was found in i386. |
| 13:25.56 | abrotman | spal: apparently not |
| 13:25.59 | dury | abrotman: wish to install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 13:26.05 | spal | too bad. |
| 13:26.07 | spal | thanks. |
| 13:26.14 | GNU\colossus | utorrent is proprietary, closed source and not free. |
| 13:26.15 | GNU\colossus | of course it's not in Debian. |
| 13:26.19 | GNU\colossus | use transmission instead. |
| 13:27.04 | abrotman | dury: we went over this .. enable 'contrib', and install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 13:28.14 | dury | abrotman: where in etc/apt/source.list? |
| 13:29.38 | ChoiZ | hi, is someone use skype? |
| 13:30.00 | abrotman | dury: that's one option, yes |
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| 13:30.21 | ChoiZ | skype (beta) 2.2.0.35 already crash on debian / xfce |
| 13:31.26 | abrotman | ChoiZ: call the skype people, ask them |
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| 13:35.57 | keytenkele | merhaba türkçe bilen varmı |
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| 13:38.17 | jelly | !tr |
| 13:38.18 | dpkg | well, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 13:39.12 | keytenkele | thank you |
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| 13:42.22 | mjt | how relevant that turkish keyboard layout is ? |
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| 13:45.04 | keytenkele | the keyboard is not concerned with |
| 13:45.31 | keytenkele | my problem. How do I update gd2 library |
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| 13:46.45 | mjt | ,versions libgd2-xpm |
| 13:46.46 | judd | Package: libgd2-xpm on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.36~rc1~dfsg-3+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.0.36~rc1~dfsg-3+lenny1; squeeze: 2.0.36~rc1~dfsg-5; sid: 2.0.36~rc1~dfsg-6; wheezy: 2.0.36~rc1~dfsg-6 |
| 13:47.18 | keytenkele | How do I make it through ssh. I do not know much |
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| 13:48.31 | mjt | i don't think i understand your question |
| 13:48.58 | mjt | software in debian is installed using apt-get, aptitude or using some other frontend |
| 13:49.07 | keytenkele | How do I update gd2 library with ssh |
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| 13:49.34 | mjt | apt-get install libgd2-xpm -- independent of ssh |
| 13:50.05 | keytenkele | root@linux1:/etc# apt-get install libgd2-xp |
| 13:50.05 | keytenkele | Reading package lists... Done |
| 13:50.05 | keytenkele | Building dependency tree |
| 13:50.05 | keytenkele | Reading state information... Done |
| 13:50.05 | keytenkele | E: Unable to locate package libgd2-xp |
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| 13:50.20 | mjt | heh |
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| 13:50.52 | keytenkele | apt-get install libgd2-xp |
| 13:51.03 | keytenkele | http://paste.debian.net/148582/ |
| 13:51.18 | streuner | <mjt> apt-get install libgd2-xpm -- independent of ssh |
| 13:51.18 | mjt | can't you spot the error already? :) |
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| 13:52.37 | mjt | but we've no idea from which version you want to update it and to which. |
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| 13:54.23 | keytenkele | http://www.sinemada.com/php.php |
| 13:54.27 | keytenkele | php info |
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| 14:15.13 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 14:15.14 | dpkg | < primoturbo> how do I delete linux? < primoturbo> how do I delete debain and get something else < AciD> primoturbo > rm-rf / < primoturbo> Should I try OpenBSD? < asg> primoturbo: hahah |
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| 14:24.41 | jaggz-- | how do I keep crontab from outputting my jobs into the log? I have &>/dev/null on them but they still output |
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| 14:29.50 | bolt | jaggz--: into what log? |
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| 14:33.39 | Morgawr | hello everybody, I installed a new debian distro on a virtual machine to work on some kernel compilation and things, however accidentally (didn't realise it) it created the / partition with 6GB and the /home partition with 14GB. I barely use the /home partition and I wanted to take away some free space off the /home and add it to the / partition. However I can't unmount /home nor /, I heard I need to do it through a li |
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| 14:34.57 | bolt | Morgawr: you're going to compile your own kernel but don't know how to resize a partition? |
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| 14:36.11 | Morgawr | bolt: funnily enough, yes haha.. I know how to use fdisk and gparted, but really what I'm asking now is how do I resize the /home and / partition without having to use an external live CD? |
| 14:36.15 | Morgawr | (if possible) |
| 14:36.58 | jaggz-- | you can't resize an actively used partition afaik |
| 14:37.11 | jaggz-- | so you might get away with unmounting /home |
| 14:37.15 | bolt | while resizing a live filesystem is in some cases possible, i see no reason to do so when you can just attach a gparted (or whatever) cd image to your virtual machine |
| 14:37.43 | Morgawr | okay.. I'm just lazy, that's all. I guess I'll go and try to resize it booting into another system D: |
| 14:37.49 | frostschutz | or you could just symlink /usr/src to /home/ :) ;) |
| 14:38.02 | frostschutz | or compile the kernel in /home in the first place, kernel is not picky |
| 14:38.09 | jaggz-- | (and resizing it).. but resizing / will be a problem unless you make a new partition for / and switch over to that.. I don't know if you can switch root partitions live anyway... everything's running off it right now so I think it would be kinda tough to do |
| 14:38.35 | frostschutz | you can do all these things live but you usually really dont want to |
| 14:38.45 | jaggz-- | how do you resize root live? |
| 14:38.55 | Morgawr | frostschutz: yeah, but the problem is not just re-compiling the kernel, I'm going to install a few programs and stuff on this debian machine and somehow I'm already at 70% space used and I'd rather resize everything cause I hardly use /home |
| 14:38.57 | jaggz-- | force it by mounting ro? |
| 14:39.01 | frostschutz | most filesystems can be resized life nowadays |
| 14:39.05 | jaggz-- | and make it happen and cross your fingers? |
| 14:39.06 | frostschutz | life/live |
| 14:40.09 | frostschutz | when you use lvm it's actually quite nice to not have to umount anything to resize a filesystem |
| 14:40.58 | petern__ | hmm, i'm looking for starfire firmware... |
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| 14:41.24 | petern__ | doesn't appear to exist in firmware-linux-nonfree :( |
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| 14:45.23 | jaggz-- | I've not used lvm yet.. using dell perc5i's in a system though.. |
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| 14:45.39 | dupondje | Hi I added CoreDumpDirectory /var/cache/apache2 to my apache2.conf, but still its not generating any coredumps. Any idea what could be wrong? |
| 14:46.06 | jaggz-- | #apache? |
| 14:46.16 | jaggz-- | bbl |
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| 14:47.14 | hroi | im setting procmail as my mail handler for all users |
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| 14:52.11 | xsergio | HI, does anyone know when bind init script will be update in stable release? The bug is there for 6+ months |
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| 14:53.06 | nkuttler | xsergio: did you check the bts? |
| 14:53.37 | xsergio | nkuttler, yep.. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=630696 |
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| 14:53.51 | nkuttler | also most bugs don't get fixed, only security problems |
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| 14:55.40 | nkuttler | xsergio: just apply the patch |
| 14:56.04 | xsergio | nkuttler, already did... but i'm just wondering why they don't fix it.. |
| 14:56.23 | xsergio | bind9 is not respondig to sigint , but debian init script should deal with it |
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| 14:57.18 | nkuttler | !tell xsergio about stable |
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| 14:58.56 | xsergio | nkuttler, thanks |
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| 15:00.07 | hroi | hi, im trying to get procmail to work, and Im not sure if the default debian server is using procmail |
| 15:00.23 | hroi | I cant find /etc/exim4/exim.conf |
| 15:00.43 | hroi | only /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template |
| 15:01.08 | petemc | did you configure exim yet? |
| 15:01.37 | petemc | if not, run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 15:01.38 | abrotman | and/or is the system actually using exim ? |
| 15:01.43 | hroi | petemc: I didnt touch anything yet, this is all default, however exim seems to be delivering to /var/mail |
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| 15:02.16 | hroi | assuming there isnt some other mail handler installed, -- however i didn install anything |
| 15:02.42 | petemc | ls -la $(which sendmail) |
| 15:02.44 | petemc | as root |
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| 15:03.13 | hroi | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 Jun 24 14:51 /usr/sbin/sendmail -> exim4 |
| 15:03.30 | petemc | exim -bP routers | grep procmail |
| 15:04.04 | hroi | debug_print = R: procmail for $local_part@$domain |
| 15:04.11 | hroi | procmail router: |
| 15:04.17 | petemc | so your config has support for procmail |
| 15:04.18 | hroi | require_files = ${local_part}:${if exists{/etc/procmailrc}{/etc/procmailrc}{${home}/.procmailrc}}:+/usr/bin/procmail |
| 15:04.26 | petemc | you dont need to paste it all here.. |
| 15:04.26 | hroi | petemc: ok |
| 15:04.32 | hroi | petemc: sorry |
| 15:05.12 | hroi | I have a local procmail file for user called satellite |
| 15:05.29 | Morgawr | question: I loaded a gparted live CD to re-partition / and /home, I freed some space from /home and now I need to add it to /, however I don't seem to be able to |
| 15:05.30 | hroi | :0 bhW * ^Subject: Test | /home/satellite/bin/procmail_process_aster |
| 15:05.36 | Morgawr | http://i.imgur.com/VpSc1.png picture related, can someone help me please? |
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| 15:05.56 | Morgawr | the unallocated space is AFTER the allocated space for /dev/sda2, is there a way to get it into /dev/sda1? |
| 15:06.22 | hroi | petemc: somehow a mail with subject "Test" doesnt seem to be delivering to procmail, nor to /var/mail/satellite |
| 15:06.38 | petemc | hroi: check /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
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| 15:07.08 | petemc | exim -d -bt satellite |
| 15:09.00 | hroi | petemc: I dont think I see anything in mainlog |
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| 15:09.19 | hroi | petemc: however, exim -d -bt seems to say >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exim pid=11727 terminating with rc=0 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> |
| 15:09.27 | petemc | pastebin it |
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| 15:09.34 | hroi | petemc: some sort of error, ok pastebin it is |
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| 15:10.10 | Morgawr | nobody can help me? All I need to do is to get some space from unallocated into /dev/sda1, however this unallocated space is AFTER /dev/sda2 (or so it seems) so I can't move it from gparted |
| 15:10.31 | yeled | anyone seeing i/o errors on rsyncing debian-ports? |
| 15:10.54 | hroi | petemc: http://pastebin.com/KQFn89CB |
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| 15:12.55 | converge | im on tty and need to install a vm using kvm, im trying with qemu-system-x86_64 -boot d -cdrom /home/fortunata/apps/linux/debian-6.0.2.1-i386-CD-1.iso -drive file=development.img cache=unsafe -m 512 -nographic , but there isnt output, nothing happen |
| 15:12.57 | petemc | hroi: if you read from line 91 onwards you'll see the message is being passed to procmail |
| 15:12.58 | converge | some idea whats wrong? |
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| 15:17.42 | hroi | petemc: cool, expanded file: /home/satellite/.procmailrc, so it found my config |
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| 15:18.38 | hroi | petemc: no indication of any error then |
| 15:18.59 | hroi | petemc: yet, it seems that my procmailrc had no effect |
| 15:19.09 | petemc | not according to exim |
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| 15:19.49 | petemc | procmail is fairly horrible to use imo, exim filter is pretty much as flexible and much easier to read/write |
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| 15:20.30 | petemc | horses for courses, tho |
| 15:21.43 | dupondje | Followed instructions on /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.backtrace but I can't get a coredump :( |
| 15:21.44 | hroi | petemc: can exim forward mail content to a program? |
| 15:21.58 | petemc | yes |
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| 15:22.20 | petemc | the exim filter pipe command does exactly that |
| 15:22.26 | hroi | petemc: procmail is then redundant for me, |
| 15:23.17 | hroi | petemc: however, the exim filter needs have write permission as the user that receives the email |
| 15:23.32 | petemc | it runs as that user |
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| 15:23.58 | hroi | petemc: ok, so I need read about exim filters |
| 15:24.15 | petemc | in their home dir, create a .forward file, at the top put # Exim filter |
| 15:24.34 | petemc | then on a new line, put pipe /path/to/app |
| 15:24.39 | meder | why is my wifi crapping out all of a sudden? |
| 15:24.54 | meder | im trying to connect to a network but it defaults to another one |
| 15:25.25 | meder | i'm selecting 'MYNETWORK' multiple times but it instantly tries to connect to 'OTHERNETWORK' |
| 15:25.35 | meder | is there anyway i can debug if its failing? |
| 15:26.32 | hroi | petemc: sounds simple... so this will forward all user email to a particular app |
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| 15:27.43 | petemc | hroi: yup |
| 15:28.00 | petemc | hroi: take a few mins to read the exim filter docs, they're well written and easy to grok |
| 15:28.33 | hroi | petemc: thank you! , I guess I can put a few lines of pipe /path/to/app for different apps and processes |
| 15:28.43 | hroi | very simple :) |
| 15:29.04 | petemc | hroi: if you want it to go to multuple scripts, use unseen pipe /path/to/app |
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| 15:37.15 | ion_ | I do install my graphics card |
| 15:37.32 | ion_ | can anyone tell me,please...? |
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| 15:38.14 | babilen | ion_: Which graphic card do you have? (lspci -nn|grep -i vga) |
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| 15:40.06 | petern__ | hmm, where can i find adaptec/starfire_rx.bin and adaptec/starfire_tx.bin? :S |
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| 15:40.37 | babilen | !tell petern__ -about apt-file |
| 15:40.56 | babilen | ,file adaptec/starfire_tx.bin |
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| 15:41.03 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 15:42.06 | petern__ | judd, exactly :( |
| 15:42.46 | petern__ | i mean, talking to bots is fun, but... :) |
| 15:42.59 | babilen | petern__: I assume that you are looking for firmware for adaptec's starfire cards? |
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| 15:43.14 | petern__ | yes |
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| 15:45.04 | ChibaPet | Odd. That's referenced here: http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 15:45.22 | grosendorf | so the /etc/apache2 dir on my machine is gone all of a sudden, and when I remove apache2 and reinstall it doesn't get created |
| 15:45.26 | grosendorf | any ideas? |
| 15:45.43 | grosendorf | I've tried running apt-get purge as well |
| 15:45.46 | grosendorf | with no luck |
| 15:46.05 | petern__ | ChibaPet, indeed |
| 15:46.07 | grosendorf | permissions on /etc are totally normal |
| 15:46.08 | ChibaPet | That seems to indicate, petern__, that that driver ought to be included in the kernel if I'm reading it right. |
| 15:46.27 | petern__ | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=501152 < that removed it (and references 2 different file names) |
| 15:46.43 | ChibaPet | Ah, you're ahead of me. Heh. |
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| 15:47.35 | ion_ | babilen: the command the you gave didn't generate output ... |
| 15:48.09 | aarkerio | hi! I am trying to install postgresql-9.1 in Wheezy but apparently there is not pg_hba.conf |
| 15:48.25 | aarkerio | someone know something about it? |
| 15:48.43 | babilen | ion_: Please paste the output of "lspci -nn" to http://paste.debian.net |
| 15:48.54 | ChoiZ | aarkerio: #postgresql ? |
| 15:49.09 | meder | anyone know why when i select 'MYNETWORK' in the wifi settings it defaults to 'ANOTHERNETWORK' and never tries connecting to 'MYNETWORK' ? |
| 15:49.11 | ChibaPet | petern__, I'm not seeing where they've removed the driver. Seems like they've modified it. Or am I reading that wrong as well? |
| 15:49.13 | babilen | petern__: Hmm, you can still build the firmware yourself, but I wonder where it ended up. |
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| 15:49.37 | ion_ | babilen: I had no output whatsover.. |
| 15:49.40 | aarkerio | ChoiZ, yes, I will also ask over there but since I installed using apt-get |
| 15:49.53 | petern__ | ChibaPet, the driver's still there but the hardcoded firmware was removed |
| 15:49.59 | ChibaPet | I see the "starfire use request_firmware and firmware nuked" but ... ah. |
| 15:50.03 | ion_ | babilen: where is it ..? |
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| 15:51.23 | babilen | ion_: Which version of Debian are you using? Is pciutils installed? (it should, just checking) -- Could you paste your command *and* its output (even if there is none) to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 15:52.09 | petern__ | babilen, how can i build it myself. it's not contained in the source for firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 15:52.27 | ChibaPet | It's not nonfree. |
| 15:52.36 | babilen | petern__: You can build it from the kernel sources -- One second please |
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| 15:52.50 | petern__ | ohh |
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| 15:53.36 | hroi | it isnt not nonfree |
| 15:53.54 | Iridos | is it enough to add /usr/bin/rsync -a c:mail/ c:mbox /home/k/mailcopy/ as a cron-job make a regular local backup-copy or should I go for something more sophisticated like rsnapshot? |
| 15:54.11 | petemc | c:mail ? |
| 15:54.20 | Iridos | specially... I fear the server might be shut down... will rsync play nicely with a missing server? |
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| 15:54.33 | Iridos | petemc, c is the servername (it's in /etc/hosts) |
| 15:54.37 | petemc | ah |
| 15:54.44 | Iridos | I see why that might seem confusing :) |
| 15:54.47 | petemc | :) |
| 15:54.51 | petern__ | starfire: Failed to load firmware "adaptec/starfire_rx.bin" |
| 15:54.53 | petern__ | erm |
| 15:54.55 | Iridos | but I use it for so long that I forgot |
| 15:55.05 | petern__ | didn't mean to paste that, sorry |
| 15:55.07 | ion_ | babilen: hold on a second I have I issue to solve here at work now..I'll be back. |
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| 15:56.30 | petemc | Iridos: i use dirvish which ive found great, i just set it and forget it. i dont think its actively developed any more tho |
| 15:56.35 | _SHO_ | Is there anything special I need to look for when buying a router that works with both debian and windows? |
| 15:56.48 | converge | how people create linux VM's inside a linux server.. ? |
| 15:56.49 | petemc | _SHO_: not really |
| 15:57.10 | Justin | converge: for what? testing things, or running real virtual servers? |
| 15:57.25 | _SHO_ | alright thanks |
| 15:57.28 | babilen | petern__: Yeah, dirvish is great. Sad to hear that it is not developed anymore. |
| 15:57.41 | leino | hello all. I am tryin to install eclipse in wheezy with 'aptitude install eclipse', but I get an error: "No candidate version found for eclipse." |
| 15:57.49 | babilen | petern__: Which kernel are we talking about here? |
| 15:57.55 | converge | Justin: i have a production server and i wish to create a development vm inside this server, but i can only access it trought ssh |
| 15:58.24 | petern__ | linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 (2.6.32-38) |
| 15:58.33 | Justin | converge: does your server have a recent CPU that suports hardware virtualization? |
| 15:58.54 | converge | Justin: yes, there is the vt-x flag |
| 15:59.55 | hroi | petemc: well according to instructions everything should be fine... but still the exim filter call to my script, doesnt ahve any effect, |
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| 16:00.22 | hroi | petemc: I also used a test: /usr/sbin/sendmail -bf ./.forward </dev/null |
| 16:00.30 | Justin | converge: something kvm based would work well then |
| 16:00.43 | hroi | petemc: and according to exim, my filter and script are executed fine, |
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| 16:00.57 | id10t | 'lo all |
| 16:01.11 | hroi | petemc: yet, it doesnt log "hello world" to my logfile as happend when I execute by hand. |
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| 16:01.22 | converge | Justin: im trying with kvm but getting the message 'could not open SDL' .. trying to understand how can i do it |
| 16:01.32 | Justin | converge: virt-manager |
| 16:01.41 | babilen | petern__: Could you please file a bug against the kernel in the meanwhile? |
| 16:01.45 | id10t | i'm setting up quotas on a new squeeze box, on a 4tb raid-5 array... should running quotacheck on it (quotacheck -vagum) take a looong time? |
| 16:01.49 | Justin | converge: or use the -vnc options manually |
| 16:02.29 | converge | Justin: what -vnc option do ..? |
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| 16:02.46 | michelem | hello folks |
| 16:02.57 | Iridos | petemc, that seems very similar to rsnapshot |
| 16:02.59 | michelem | who performs fsck during the boot process? |
| 16:03.28 | Justin | converge: man kvm? |
| 16:03.52 | abrotman | michelem: fsck does |
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| 16:04.49 | michelem | I see that /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh runs it, but I can't get how a userspace program can fsck its own (live mounted) filesystem |
| 16:05.05 | Justin | michelem: the filesystem isn't mounted read/write yes |
| 16:05.07 | Iridos | hm... perhaps I'll take the time to set up rsnapshot, really... the point is... if the server goes away, it probably does so permanently pretty soon. If it doesn't, they'll probably forget about it for years and I can keep using it for my mail needs :) |
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| 16:05.32 | Justin | Iridos: duplicity is also good if you want to encrypt your backups |
| 16:05.53 | Iridos | no real need for encryption |
| 16:05.54 | gnarface | forgive me please for the naivety of this question; does debian support PXE booting? |
| 16:05.55 | petemc | hroi: your script handles a message being passed to it? |
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| 16:05.57 | michelem | so the FS is mounted r/o without FSCK even if dirty or corrupted? |
| 16:06.05 | Justin | gnarface: yes |
| 16:06.10 | petemc | Iridos: yes, i believe the 2 are similar |
| 16:06.17 | Justin | michelem: fsck works directly on the block device |
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| 16:06.35 | gnarface | Justin: i've never done it before. happen to know of a good howto? |
| 16:06.40 | michelem | so the kernel mounts a corrupted filesystem. |
| 16:06.50 | petemc | Iridos: i think one difference, last i checked, was that you couldnt manipulate rsnapshot files like 'normal' files, you need to use their tools, that may be different now |
| 16:07.06 | hroi | petemc: at the moment my script only does echo "hello world" > /home/satellite/logs/hello.log |
| 16:07.07 | Justin | gnarface: the install guide covers it |
| 16:07.22 | hroi | petemc: keeping things simple |
| 16:07.35 | petemc | hroi: when you use the pipe command, it pipes the email to the scipt |
| 16:07.49 | petemc | so your script has to deal with that |
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| 16:08.17 | hroi | petemc: well, pipe such as echo "blablabbla" | myscript |
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| 16:08.35 | petemc | yes |
| 16:08.37 | hroi | petemc: my script doesnt seem to care that there is piping, at least not in the shell |
| 16:08.53 | hroi | petemc: its a bash script |
| 16:08.55 | Iridos | only problem... if I start doing it in any way properly, I'll also have to think about the lack of local-directory backups I keep repressing thoughts of :P |
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| 16:09.42 | hroi | petemc: exim -d -bt satellite, now gives: Considering |/home/satellite/bin/procmail_process_aster |
| 16:09.45 | petern__ | babilen, hmm, should this be against linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64, or firmware-linux-free, do you think? |
| 16:10.12 | hroi | petemc: "considering" seems funny |
| 16:10.20 | babilen | petern__: Ok, it is actually pretty easy. Download kernel sources for .32. I cloned the git repo and did "git checkout -b fw-v2.6.32 v2.6.32" "mkdir -p ~/tmp/fw" "make firmware_install INSTALL_FW_PATH=~/tmp/fw" |
| 16:10.25 | Iridos | petemc, huh? no rsnapshot does uncompressed storage via rsync... and hard-links identical files between different versions to preserve storage... and that's so since at least ... 2003-2005 or so |
| 16:10.28 | petemc | hroi: exim will run a message through the routers in the order they appear in the config file, if one matches it will be used |
| 16:10.29 | raven | ffmpeg/winff preset: how to limit mpeg4 super high quality preset to maximum 4mbit? |
| 16:10.46 | petemc | Iridos: perhaps i was mistaken then, it was a while ago |
| 16:10.55 | Justin | raven: that's more of a question for #ffmpeg or whatever channel they use |
| 16:11.11 | Iridos | petemc, so to say there are no archives, just a 1:1 copy of the whole tree |
| 16:11.39 | babilen | petern__: You will then find the firmware in ~/tmp/fw//adaptec/starfire_*.bin which you can copy to /lib/firmware -- It should be /lib/firmware/adaptec/starfire*.bin |
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| 16:12.00 | petern__ | babilen, thanks. just waiting for it to download on my slowish connection :) |
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| 16:12.49 | babilen | petern__: You are welcome. Sorry for the delay -- I've done it in the past and had to crawl through my notes first and verify that it is, indeed, working |
| 16:13.54 | hroi | raven: ffmpeg has -b switch |
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| 16:14.36 | hroi | ffmpeg -b 4000000 |
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| 16:15.54 | Iridos | ffmpeg has too many switches and too sucky default |
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| 16:17.47 | Iridos | petemc, hm, one difference would interest me - can I run dirvish just with a couple of command-line options? rsnapshot needs to use the config file |
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| 16:18.07 | Iridos | which... well, seems a bit overkill |
| 16:18.31 | ChibaPet | Hey, can someone recommend a console Jabber client that's packaged with Debian? |
| 16:18.44 | petemc | i have a central config telling dirvish which hosts to backup, then a seperate config for each host |
| 16:18.52 | ChibaPet | If it does IRC as well that'd rock, but Jabber's the main need at the moment. |
| 16:19.07 | Iridos | ok... seems likely more than less |
| 16:19.13 | michelem | ChibaPet: kopete, if it's still around |
| 16:19.34 | ChibaPet | I'll look at it. Thank you. |
| 16:19.35 | michelem | which, in a dialect in the Alps, means "go die" |
| 16:20.05 | Sevet | michelem: it is, but isn't that kde? |
| 16:20.49 | michelem | yes |
| 16:21.02 | ChibaPet | That's not a console-based client then. |
| 16:21.17 | michelem | sorry, I missed "console" |
| 16:21.28 | michelem | I used to use one, let me look it up. |
| 16:21.51 | Sevet | chibapet: try mcabber or freetalk, http://wiki.debian.org/JabberClients |
| 16:22.04 | ChibaPet | Oh, there's a wiki page for it... Awesome. And thank you. |
| 16:22.08 | id10t | apt-cache search jabber | grep -i console |
| 16:22.08 | id10t | freetalk - A console based Jabber client |
| 16:22.08 | id10t | mcabber - small Jabber (XMPP) console client |
| 16:22.13 | ChibaPet | I don't use wiki.debian enough yet. |
| 16:22.14 | michelem | no, can't find it anymore. Just try out some from google |
| 16:22.26 | id10t | ChibaPet, and of course bitchx for irc |
| 16:23.12 | michelem | ChibaPet: I suggest irssi over bitchx, unless you like feeling cool because you like unnecessarily hard to use stuff |
| 16:23.16 | ChibaPet | Oh, the 'aptitude search' command listed on that wiki page is really intriguing. |
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| 16:23.51 | ChibaPet | Whatever works inside of screen(1). That's my only criteria. |
| 16:24.07 | Sevet | if you like that there's a couple of other interesting search examples on http://wiki.debian.org/Jabber |
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| 16:24.25 | ChibaPet | Multi-channel notification would be nice. I use Pidgin now. If I could stuff Pidgin inside of screen I would. :P (And Sevet, thank you.) |
| 16:24.44 | Sevet | np :) |
| 16:25.13 | id10t | i'm setting up quotas on a new squeeze box, on a 4tb raid-5 array... should running quotacheck on it (quotacheck -vagum) take a looong time? |
| 16:25.19 | petern__ | babilen, great, it's working :D |
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| 16:25.42 | babilen | petern__: Wonderful, enjoy! |
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| 16:26.32 | nardev | i have VPS that i want to use as torrent client for me. Do you know any simple, good, reliable shell based torrent client? |
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| 16:27.04 | ChibaPet | freetalk seems interesting - scriptable with Guile is a plus |
| 16:27.07 | jhutchins_lt | nardev: bittorrent? |
| 16:27.19 | nardev | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:27.32 | jhutchins_lt | nardev: Yes. |
| 16:27.38 | nardev | :) |
| 16:27.43 | nardev | you made my day |
| 16:28.12 | jhutchins_lt | Almost everything else is just a wrapper for bittorrent. |
| 16:28.15 | id10t | nardev, i just use btdownloadcurses ... but then, i torrent on debian, ubuntu, and slackware release days only |
| 16:29.12 | nardev | id10t, i use debian everywhere i can :) |
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| 16:29.34 | nardev | jhutchins_lt, i dodn't have much experience with torrent |
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| 16:30.09 | Iridos | ChibaPet, you might try aptitude search '?and(?tag(protocol::jabber),?tag(interface::text-mode))' ... ekg2/centerim/mcabber seem the obvious choice... and there's an irssi plugin for jabber |
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| 16:30.38 | id10t | nardev, what i meant is that i only run torrents when those distros have new releases - one of the few ways i have of gving back... so i give 20-40gb of bandwidth... |
| 16:30.39 | ChibaPet | irssi would have the advantage of doing everything I want in one place - looking at freetalk now for its Schemeness. :) |
| 16:31.11 | rasusto | id10t thats a good idea for those of us that don't do any programming |
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| 16:31.33 | rastersoft | hi all |
| 16:31.43 | id10t | rasusto, yeah, i figure i can't patch, etc. so why not give what i have when it is needed most? |
| 16:32.05 | ChibaPet | Hm, Debian packages irssi-plugin-xmpp. I guess I'll break down and try that first. |
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| 16:33.13 | rastersoft | I'm creating a .deb package, and I need to make it deppend of one of two packages mutually exclusives, but I want that, if one of them is available, that one will be installed, and the other being installed only when the first one is not available in the repository. |
| 16:33.49 | rastersoft | Can I do that by putting packageA | packageB in Depends, and putting packageA in Recomends? |
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| 16:34.37 | rastersoft | Let's put this with real names: |
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| 16:35.41 | rastersoft | In Ubuntu there are libavformat and libavformat-extra, but in Debian there is only libavformat |
| 16:36.00 | rastersoft | I'm creating a package that needs one of those, but preferably the -extra one |
| 16:36.04 | stevieman | Is there a way to find out why a cron job in cron.d is not running? |
| 16:36.06 | rasusto_ | so the screen on my netbook wont dim up or down, also whenever it is supposed to be off (screensaver, boottime, etc) the screen lights up completely white instead. Can you guys confirm that this is probably a hardware problem |
| 16:36.34 | rastersoft | and I want to do it compatible with Ubuntu and Debian |
| 16:36.36 | savr | 1234180180180 |
| 16:36.42 | rastersoft | and I want to make it compatible with Ubuntu and Debian |
| 16:36.51 | savr | 4364343434 |
| 16:37.01 | savr | 12322244324443 |
| 16:37.11 | savr | 12345123123123 |
| 16:37.31 | ChibaPet | savr, ENOPARSE |
| 16:37.37 | rastersoft | savr left his cat near the keyboard :D |
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| 16:38.01 | jelly | or was it a large spider |
| 16:38.09 | meder | ff |
| 16:38.16 | savr | err sorry |
| 16:38.16 | ChibaPet | Hm, I think I'm going to like irssi. (No, a large spider would have gotten some sevens and eights in there.) |
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| 16:38.47 | savr | or it was an Chinese that has never seen a macbook before |
| 16:38.57 | jelly | ChibaPet: 4 legs near 1234, the other side near enter |
| 16:39.32 | ChibaPet | ah, okay |
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| 16:40.11 | savr | don't know what interested her to type random numbers |
| 16:40.18 | mindcruft | I am having an issue with reprepro. I am trying to update the package with the new package. I want to keep both files in the repo |
| 16:40.26 | mindcruft | Here is the error I am getting Skipping inclusion of 'package' '1.0-3+ben' in 'squeeze|main|amd64', as it has already 'sup-1.0-2'. |
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| 16:41.51 | rastersoft | where can I ask about how to build .deb packages |
| 16:41.54 | rastersoft | ? |
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| 16:43.33 | nkuttler | !tell rastersoft about maint-guide |
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| 16:44.49 | mindcruft | Anyone? |
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| 16:45.40 | rastersoft | nkuttler: the problem is that is a very specific question |
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| 16:46.27 | rastersoft | I've been creating packages for a lot of time, but I have a very specific problem because I want to create a package compatible with current stable debian, the testing one, and ubuntu. |
| 16:46.47 | rastersoft | and there are different packages I need in each one |
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| 16:47.16 | daemonkeeper | rastersoft: #debian-mentors on OFTC |
| 16:47.37 | rastersoft | thanks, daemonkeeper |
| 16:47.43 | rastersoft | I'll try ther |
| 16:47.45 | rastersoft | there |
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| 16:48.08 | daemonkeeper | You will meet me there, and I will perhaps tell you, your approach sounds wrong. |
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| 16:51.05 | abrotman | sounds ominous |
| 16:51.33 | AlexMax | now i'm intrigued |
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| 16:59.54 | f8l | Hello. |
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| 17:00.53 | f8l | Can anyone recommend a program that will tell me which process writes to which file and how much data it writes? |
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| 17:02.20 | Bezzie | iotop might be of assistance |
| 17:02.35 | avernos | my cgi script doensnt have permission to open rfcomm and read it, is there any safe way i can let it open? |
| 17:02.37 | Bezzie | but I believe that writes may appear to originate from the ext4 process. |
| 17:02.54 | f8l | Bezzie: I know iotop, but it doesn't tell me which files do the processes write. |
| 17:03.23 | Bezzie | Ah.. I see, you want to know which files are touched by the process hrm |
| 17:03.37 | mjt | blktrace comes to mind |
| 17:03.41 | lstarnes | try lsofm -p $PID |
| 17:03.47 | lstarnes | *lsof -p $PID |
| 17:05.25 | f8l | mjt: Looks promising. Will check. |
| 17:05.51 | f8l | lstarnes: lsof only lists open files. it doesn't tell me how much data the process stores. |
| 17:06.13 | f8l | Bezzie, mjt, lstarnes: Thank you for your suggestions. :-) |
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| 17:06.23 | mjt | you're welcome |
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| 17:07.09 | f8l | iotop told me that gajim writes about 1 GiB of data during first minute of runtime, and it doesn't stop. I'd like to check why. |
| 17:07.47 | Bezzie | Glad I could fail to be of assistance. haha |
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| 17:09.34 | f8l | Bezzie: It's not your fault I knew iotop. ;-) I appreciate you wanted to help me. |
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| 17:13.21 | dury | hi there again :) |
| 17:15.01 | blackshirt | hi |
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| 17:15.10 | blackshirt | hi dury |
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| 17:16.23 | dury | I've just edited /etc/apt/sources.list adding "non-free" to install flashplugin-nonfree is it correct blackshirt? |
| 17:17.18 | babilen | dury: You want contrib |
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| 17:17.52 | babilen | dury: So in short s/main/main contrib non-free/ |
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| 17:18.27 | technologov | 'flash' = non-free; Not contrib. |
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| 17:19.10 | babilen | technologov: flashplugin-nonfree is still in contrib (and rightfully so) |
| 17:19.25 | dury | babilen: in which lines is it? |
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| 17:20.12 | babilen | dury: Just replace all lines that end in "main" with a similar line that ends in "main contrib non-free" -- You can also paste your sources.list and I'll have a look. |
| 17:20.31 | Mogget | bolt, abrotman: sorry for the late answer, i did not pick up on that. I am using terminator. |
| 17:20.50 | f8l | mjt: blktrace's output seems not to contain any data about files… |
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| 17:21.17 | sanduz2 | just a question out of curiosity, how is it possible that different programs all use the www-data user, for example? is it because they are installed as root and use su to become www-data without need for a password? |
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| 17:21.51 | koollman | sanduz2: probably because they are all launched by a program that use www-data user. (apache2) |
| 17:22.28 | f8l | mjt: strace may be more helpful. |
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| 17:23.25 | dury | babilen: paste here all the lines I have in sources.list |
| 17:23.26 | mrtn_ | Is it possible to show alert in xchat in case user with specific user name logs into the IRC channel? |
| 17:23.33 | babilen | dury: No, please paste them to http://paste.debian.net |
| 17:23.56 | dury | babilen: ok |
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| 17:25.32 | dury | babilen: ready |
| 17:25.40 | babilen | dury: Could you give me the URL? |
| 17:25.45 | dury | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/148620/ |
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| 17:27.21 | babilen | dury: http://paste.debian.net/148621 -- Run "apt-get update" which updates the lists of packages apt-get/aptitude know about and you should be able to install flash with "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" |
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| 17:27.57 | babilen | dury: Actually: use http://paste.debian.net/148622/ |
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| 17:28.00 | Jef91 | is there anyway I can have apt ignore broken deps and still install something new? |
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| 17:28.50 | babilen | Jef91: Be more specific please. It is tpyically not possible to ignore dependencies. What are you doing? |
| 17:28.54 | babilen | !tell Jef91 -about bat |
| 17:28.56 | dury | babilen: ok |
| 17:28.57 | project2501b | hey guys, question: i am trying to partition a 22TB disk partition. what partitioning "scheme" should i use? am i even using the correct word? |
| 17:28.59 | project2501b | hey babilen |
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| 17:29.49 | babilen | project2501b: Use LVM, create volume groups for whatever you need with reasonable sizes to start with. If one runs out of space you can grow it. |
| 17:30.07 | project2501b | babilen, i am pretty certain that i am using the *wrong* word. |
| 17:30.40 | Jef91 | babilen I have two packages that are missing deps installed. i need to install two other packages though in order to build the packages that fix said broken ones |
| 17:30.50 | project2501b | i am talking bout that screen that pops up when you have an unpartitioned disk. and it says "what partition type do you want to create?" |
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| 17:30.55 | Jef91 | So I want to install these extra packages without first removing the "broken" ones |
| 17:31.16 | babilen | Jef91: Be specific! Which packages? How where they installed? Which dependencies are missing? (please also read the <bat> factoid dpkg told you about) |
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| 17:31.30 | Jef91 | ffs |
| 17:31.37 | Jef91 | Can I make it ignore missing deps or not? |
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| 17:32.43 | babilen | Jef91: dpkg can ignore missing dependencies ("man dpkg" → --force-depends / --ignore-depends) |
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| 17:33.01 | Jef91 | I know this, can apt do the same? |
| 17:33.11 | Jef91 | Or do I need to go track down all these .debs by hand now |
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| 17:33.55 | llimeht | make up your mind whether you want apt to fix the problem or ignore it |
| 17:34.09 | Jef91 | I want to install software via apt |
| 17:34.15 | Jef91 | while I have broken dependancies |
| 17:34.28 | babilen | Jef91: No, I can't help you without further information. *How* did you install *which* package? An educated guess would be that you are after "apt-get -f install" but it is impossible to tell. |
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| 17:34.51 | Jef91 | I don't want to apt-get -f install |
| 17:34.51 | Dimitri7 | hi guys! I need to load this module in a debian stable kernel: 2.6.32-5: CONFIG_NET_SCH_PLUG=m |
| 17:34.56 | Jef91 | cause then it will remove my network manager |
| 17:35.00 | Jef91 | is an attempt to "fix" the issue |
| 17:35.05 | Jef91 | I want to install other packages |
| 17:35.10 | Jef91 | without using apt-get -f install |
| 17:35.10 | Dimitri7 | may it work If I just download the upstream kernel code and copy the *sch_plug.ko* module to /lib/modules? |
| 17:35.37 | babilen | Jef91: *shrug* - Your call. |
| 17:35.46 | mjt | upstream kernel code does not contain _compiled_ .ko modules |
| 17:36.17 | Jef91 | so thats a no apt-get can't ignore errors? |
| 17:36.25 | Jef91 | Or should i keep digging through these man pages |
| 17:36.33 | nkuttler | Dimitri7: that looks like so kernel patch? |
| 17:37.02 | nkuttler | s/?// |
| 17:37.26 | nsadmin | Jef91, if you want to avoid errors you could try downloading the .debs yourself and instgalling them with dpkg |
| 17:37.36 | Dimitri7 | nkuttler, no no |
| 17:37.43 | Jef91 | yea OK i knew I could do this nsadmin |
| 17:37.46 | babilen | Dimitri7: That config does not exist. Are you after CONFIG_NET_SCHED ? |
| 17:37.51 | Jef91 | was just wondering if apt was smart enough to be able to do this on it's own |
| 17:37.57 | nsadmin | so what's the problem? |
| 17:37.59 | Dimitri7 | well... I don't know exactly I've just downloaded the upstream kernel code and want to copy the .ko |
| 17:38.04 | nkuttler | Dimitri7: yes yes. grep NET_SCH_PLUG /boot/config-2.6.32-5-amd64 | wc -l => 0 |
| 17:38.05 | Dimitri7 | yes I am after that option :D |
| 17:38.11 | nsadmin | what errors are you getting |
| 17:38.17 | babilen | Dimitri7: Ah, disregard that ... I can't find CONFIG_NET_SCH_PLUG in .32's config |
| 17:38.34 | nkuttler | or doesn't the kernel keep track of =n ? |
| 17:38.41 | Dimitri7 | root@neutrino:/boot# cat config-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 | grep NET_SCH_PLUG |
| 17:38.44 | nkuttler | Dimitri7: anyway, so just build your own kernel |
| 17:38.44 | Dimitri7 | and nothing. |
| 17:38.48 | nkuttler | !tell Dimitri7 about kp |
| 17:38.48 | nsadmin | ignoring missing deps... why would there be missing deps? |
| 17:38.58 | dury | babilen: how do I replace gnush for adobe flashplayer? |
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| 17:39.37 | babilen | dury: You want to replace gnash with adobe's flash or vice versa? Just install the corresponding package .. |
| 17:39.43 | nsadmin | if you're running stable, there should not ever be missing deps; if there are (and you are NOT mixing with testing or unstable), that would be a major bug |
| 17:39.52 | Dimitri7 | nkuttler, wouldn't it work if I just copy the .ko? |
| 17:39.58 | nkuttler | Dimitri7: no |
| 17:39.59 | dury | babilen: I'm using chromium browser |
| 17:40.05 | babilen | nsadmin: Jef91 really doesn't want to give any more information |
| 17:40.16 | nkuttler | Dimitri7: and you have already been told that there's no .ko in the source |
| 17:40.18 | babilen | dury: flashplugin-nonfree works fine with chromium |
| 17:40.19 | nsadmin | oh, ok, so he's nonresponsive... |
| 17:40.23 | dury | babilen: I want to use adobe's |
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| 17:40.52 | nsadmin | thanks for letting me know... |
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| 17:41.06 | Dimitri7 | right |
| 17:41.10 | dury | babilen: should I uninstall gnush |
| 17:41.14 | Dimitri7 | thanks for the help |
| 17:41.19 | babilen | Dimitri7: FWIW CONFIG_NET_SCHED=y is in .32's config -- What *are* you trying to do? (I can't even find CONFIG_NET_SCH_PLUG in 3.1.4's config |
| 17:41.42 | babilen | dury: Just install flashplugin-nonfree and restart the browser. And sure, you can uninstall gnash |
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| 17:42.17 | SuperNull | Hey guys, anyone use VM Server 2.0 and see udp shorts/checksum errors ? |
| 17:42.18 | Dimitri7 | # cat config-2.6.32-5-amd64 | grep NET_SCH_PLUG |
| 17:42.21 | Dimitri7 | it is not there |
| 17:42.37 | nkuttler | Dimitri7: please stop repeating yourself and answer our questions |
| 17:43.04 | Dimitri7 | I am trying to compile that module without recompiling the kernel |
| 17:43.05 | dury | babilen: by default is using gnush |
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| 17:43.33 | mjt | what is a way to set default audio card in alsa? After reboot it keeps assigning my tv-tuner to be a default audio device, instead of the realtek which comes next |
| 17:43.49 | dury | babilen: I just restart chromium and it's using it :( |
| 17:43.54 | nsadmin | mjt, I guess you make it be index 0 |
| 17:44.01 | mjt | where? |
| 17:44.09 | nsadmin | when the module is loaded |
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| 17:44.16 | nkuttler | mjt: http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc |
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| 17:44.45 | dury | babilen: what's the correct way to uninstall gnush |
| 17:44.53 | martianlobster | What do people think is a good mirror to download cygwin from? |
| 17:45.09 | babilen | dury: "aptitude purge gnash" ? |
| 17:45.31 | nkuttler | martianlobster: hm, we already have debian installed... try ##windows? |
| 17:45.40 | dury | babilen: ok if it works... one sec |
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| 17:46.15 | martianlobster | I preffer debian myself, I use cygin as an interface to get into client's windows machines from my debian boxes |
| 17:46.33 | mjt | hm. the right card is already listed as "default" by aplay -L |
| 17:46.55 | nsadmin | martianlobster, good enuf... and, maybe people here don't know stats on cygwin mirrors |
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| 17:47.00 | nkuttler | !tell martianlobster about cygwin |
| 17:47.30 | mjt | yet all apps are trying to output sound via tv tuner, including alsamixer which opens tv-tuner controls unless i hit F6 and choose the right device there. |
| 17:47.35 | Dimitri7 | If I compile the whole kernel it would generate the sch_plug.ko right? If I just copy it to /lib/modules , might it work? |
| 17:47.43 | mjt | aplay -L does not even show tv-tuner |
| 17:47.50 | mjt | Dimitri7: no |
| 17:47.51 | Morgawr | question: is it possible to install gnome 3 on a debian stable? |
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| 17:48.01 | TechDesk | Yes |
| 17:48.12 | meder | gnome 3 sucks :p |
| 17:48.14 | nkuttler | mjt: aplay -l ? |
| 17:48.31 | Morgawr | meder: I just want to try it :) I prefer Openbox or XFCE4 myself, but still |
| 17:48.47 | Morgawr | so.. how would I go about installing gnome3 on debian stable? |
| 17:49.00 | mjt | nkuttler: it is also correct, showing the onboard audio first and no tv tuner... now i wonder how they all get the tvtuner from.. |
| 17:49.14 | babilen | meder: Please keep it to yourself or tell #ramblings-about-gnome about it. We primarily focus on providing support in here. |
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| 17:49.25 | babilen | Morgawr: It is not possible |
| 17:49.26 | nkuttler | mjt: that's odd. try asking in #alsa maybe |
| 17:49.41 | boudiccas | hey does anyone hear use opera? my task bar has suddenly become populated by minipics of the page, but how do i get it back to the classic view? |
| 17:49.45 | mjt | nkuttler: yeah going to do just that.. thanks for your help! |
| 17:50.55 | Dimitri7 | how can I compile a module without recompiling the whole kernel ? |
| 17:51.12 | nkuttler | Dimitri7: why do you even think you need that module? |
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| 17:51.36 | Morgawr | babilen: there's no single way to do it? not even using straight .deb packages without passing through apt-get/aptitude? |
| 17:51.38 | Dimitri7 | http://wiki.xen.org/xenwiki/Remus |
| 17:51.42 | Dimitri7 | because of that |
| 17:51.56 | Dimitri7 | check: Config options for Linux 2.6.32 pvops dom0 kernel for Remus |
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| 17:52.11 | nkuttler | Dimitri7: dude... |
| 17:52.17 | nkuttler | Dimitri7: when using jeremy's xen.git xen/stable-2.6.32.x branch as dom0 kernel |
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| 17:52.29 | nkuttler | that's not even vanilla kernel. that was the first thing i told you |
| 17:52.52 | babilen | Morgawr: No, you would have to use wheezy (aka testing) for Gnome3 -- It has *way* to many dependencies in order to be backportable to stable. (and that wouldn't be squeeze anymore either) -- /msg dpkg testing |
| 17:52.55 | Dimitri7 | I amo not using those. I am using debian 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 |
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| 17:53.12 | nkuttler | Dimitri7: it seems like that's not possible. good luck |
| 17:53.17 | mjt | which does not have remus support anyway |
| 17:53.30 | Morgawr | babilen: ah ok thanks, I guess it's not that important then.. :) |
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| 18:02.39 | dury | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/148627/ |
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| 18:03.00 | dury | babilen: didn't install properly |
| 18:03.15 | dury | I guess |
| 18:03.16 | gnarface | did bind's behavior change? is the slave no longer expected automatically to receive instant updates when the master's records are changed? is restarting the slave supposed to be required now or am i doing something wrong? |
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| 18:04.05 | simonlnu | no, it works as always |
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| 18:04.25 | simonlnu | i.e. you screwed up something ;p |
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| 18:04.39 | dury | babilen: the other way is to download install_flash_player_11_linux.i386.tar.gz this one and install it |
| 18:04.49 | babilen | dury: What does "wget http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/fp10.sha512.i386.pgp.asc" give you? |
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| 18:07.02 | dury | babilen: u mean after the url line you wrote? |
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| 18:07.59 | Dagger3 | boudiccas: I don't use opera, but I saw a video of them demonstrating thumbnail view in the tab bar, and they switched to it by dragging the bottem edge down to resize it |
| 18:08.31 | boudiccas | Dagger3; thanks, its sorted now :) |
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| 18:09.13 | babilen | dury: What happens if you run that? Does it download anything? What is the content of the downloaded file? |
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| 18:11.34 | gnarface | simonlnu: *sigh* :( |
| 18:12.17 | gnarface | simonlnu: every time i make an update the slave doesn't take it unless i delete the cache files and reload both of them. could that be an unreported syntax error causing that? |
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| 18:13.48 | roger21 | hello good guys, i have a debian lamp server here and i just realize it does not have tre openssl extension in php, and i can't find a simple doc to tel me what to install (i expect to apt-get install something and it would be ok...) |
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| 18:15.26 | gnarface | roger21: apt-cache search ^php5 |
| 18:15.39 | gnarface | roger21: if it doesn't show up in that list, then use pecl/pear |
| 18:15.55 | roger21 | gnarface, yeah i did that already and there is no php5_openssl |
| 18:16.13 | kesroesweyth | I've got debian 6.0.3 (32bit) and kernel version 2.6.32-5-686, trying to get PAM configured for sshd. I've got everything working except for locking user accounts after x number of failed (sftp) auth attempts. Can anyone help me with this? I think I need to use pam_tally.so |
| 18:16.17 | gnarface | roger21: try pecl list |
| 18:16.22 | gnarface | roger21: or maybe its pear list |
| 18:16.45 | gnarface | ugh |
| 18:16.48 | gnarface | i need a whole book on pam |
| 18:17.03 | babilen | dury: ping |
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| 18:17.07 | kesroesweyth | I've added 'auth required pam_tally.so onerr=fail deny=3' to /etc/pam.d/common-auth, but there must be more to it. |
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| 18:17.31 | kesroesweyth | Also 'account required pam_tally.so reset' in the same file. |
| 18:17.52 | Morgawr | okay.. this is ridiculous. This time I tried to reinstall debian and set up my own partitions, however apparently I left out 9GB of space (Which should've been my /home) and now my home partition has only 500MB or something |
| 18:18.09 | Morgawr | how do I resize the /home partition without having to use an external gparted? can I just login as root and run gparted inside debian? |
| 18:18.24 | jelly-home | Morgawr: you can't |
| 18:18.43 | Morgawr | meh okay... I'll just fire up the liveCD for gparted I guess |
| 18:18.45 | jelly-home | gparted can only work on a disk that's not in use |
| 18:18.59 | Morgawr | but technically root accoutn doens't use /home |
| 18:19.00 | jelly-home | yep |
| 18:19.03 | Morgawr | it should use /root instead |
| 18:19.07 | Dagger3 | erm... can't you just unmount /home? |
| 18:19.08 | Morgawr | and /home is on a different mount |
| 18:19.16 | Morgawr | Dagger3: if I'm user it says I can't unmount it |
| 18:19.23 | jelly-home | Morgawr: not mounted at all. not any partition used. no swap, no md raid, no lvm |
| 18:19.23 | Morgawr | and I can't login as "root" from the gdm |
| 18:19.37 | jelly-home | Dagger3: that won't help |
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| 18:19.46 | Dagger3 | well, log in as root of course (from a virtual console, not via X) |
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| 18:20.06 | jelly-home | the whole disk needs to be unused for Linux userspace to see any partition table updates |
| 18:20.08 | Morgawr | oh well, already booting Gparted so... :) |
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| 18:21.44 | Dagger3 | jelly-home: ah, I was unaware of that... but even if so, a reboot would make the new table available |
| 18:22.23 | jelly-home | Dagger3: a reboot or a complete umount of everything would, yes |
| 18:22.27 | Morgawr | turns out I had to "move" the swap partition cause it was in the way, I just created a new swap at the end of the disk and deleted the old one. Would that work? (not that I really need swap, but still) |
| 18:22.50 | jelly-home | Dagger3: however gparted cannot deal with that workflow |
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| 18:25.52 | Dagger3 | jelly-home: hm. I usually use cfdisk + resize2fs/ntfsresize, so I'm not that familiar with gparted |
| 18:26.20 | clerkent | Anyone else using XChat that can tell me how to save this (or any I suppose) "room" ? |
| 18:26.35 | kesroesweyth | Does anyone know a good way to lock user accounts after a given number of failed SSH/sFTP auth attempts? |
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| 18:27.56 | clerkent | So that when Xchat starts, it will be listed at the bottom there... |
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| 18:29.39 | jhutchins_lt | clerkent: I don't use xchat, but iirc it has the ability to log channels. Konversation has the ability to set how much of the previous conversation is "remembered" when a channel is opened or the program is started, I imagine xchat has something similar. |
| 18:30.13 | jhutchins_lt | clerkent: It's less useful that it would seem since it's usually not filtered for join/part messages. |
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| 18:52.48 | jeward | Hi, I just upgraded a server from lenny to squeeze and can't get php to look in /usr/lib/php5/2009 instead of 2006? |
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| 18:54.37 | nsadmin | what does it "look" for? |
| 18:54.40 | bolt | symlink? |
| 18:54.56 | dharma | Hi, I am running KDE 4.6.5 on Debian, and when I try any of the log out or quit options, it never actually happens |
| 18:55.09 | nsadmin | bolt, perhaps that's a last resort or nearly so |
| 18:55.13 | dharma | GNOME 3 is also installed, and when I log out there everytrhing closes but never returns to the display manager |
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| 18:55.26 | dharma | something is preventing my DEs from logging out/rebooting |
| 18:55.28 | dharma | from the GUI |
| 18:55.31 | bolt | nsadmin: and a quick fix :) depends what the answer to your question is |
| 18:55.36 | dharma | I can still su to root and typr halt or reboot or something |
| 18:56.11 | nsadmin | right, it's quick... and, if he ends up doing that he should document the dogcrap out of it :) |
| 18:56.13 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... performance-wise .... does it differ between stable and sid ? |
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| 18:56.36 | bolt | dharma: I don't use either, but I'd say you should check your xsession errors and logs |
| 18:57.05 | lavamind | hello, would anyone have ideas of tools available on Debian that could be used to stream video via web (moodle). |
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| 18:57.16 | nsadmin | cobra-the-joker, very general question... and, probably you mean the performance as offered by the kernel? |
| 18:57.17 | dharma | bolt: in /var/log/ or in ~/.something? |
| 18:57.31 | cobra-the-joker | nsadmin, i mean the speed of the system |
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| 18:57.51 | egoga | How do I |
| 18:57.59 | bolt | dharma: .xsession-errors is normally in ~ |
| 18:57.59 | nsadmin | by |
| 18:58.23 | egoga | At http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers it talks about a VERSION variable... how do I set this variable? |
| 18:58.40 | egoga | like -legacy-173xx |
| 18:58.54 | egoga | Where is this VERSION variable set? In the kernel module source directory? |
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| 18:59.29 | nsadmin | cobra-the-joker, you would have to take the parts of the system and look at each separately, then add up the results |
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| 19:00.10 | nsadmin | egoga, since it's upcased, it looks like an environment var |
| 19:00.57 | MrFrood | ops neeeded in offtopic |
| 19:01.19 | bolt | jeward: you kind of need to answer questions like the one nsadmin asked you if you want help... |
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| 19:01.58 | daemonkeeper | !ops please have a look to the -> next channel, (#debian-offtopic) in case you're in there :) |
| 19:01.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: daemonkeeper complains about: please have a look to the -> next channel, (#debian-offtopic) in case you're in there :) |
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| 19:03.29 | nsadmin | every process has its own set of env vars, and if the process is a shell, there will be shell syntax for setting them, that syntax will be different for different shells (sh, bash and some others will have var="value", tcsh will have something like setenv var value, etc |
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| 19:03.57 | nsadmin | some shells have a way to set an env var JUST for one command |
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| 19:06.59 | s70rm | i got when i am starting gnome 3.2, 'Oo no, something is wrong, and system cannot recover', and i have options to disable some functions and Log Out button, but after doing that, i can't again login into Gnome ? |
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| 19:09.47 | clerkent | when adding this room as a fave , for example, would I also have to add it like this FreeNode/#xchat ? |
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| 19:10.06 | clerkent | or just #xchat |
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| 19:10.44 | clerkent | never mind |
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| 19:12.45 | orudie | how can I update phpmyadmin if i installed it with apt-get ? |
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| 19:19.05 | robo_ | hello: What's the default & expected behavior when you bring up a network interface with an IP that's used somewhere else? I did it and it let me |
| 19:19.16 | robo_ | I would think that it wouldn't let you much like CentoS |
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| 19:21.48 | frostschutz | depends on the network layout if it still works or not. hard to protect against idiots in the network who set wrong ips ;) |
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| 19:21.59 | fnmueller | is opera 11.60 compatible with lxde that ships with squeeze? |
| 19:22.55 | robo_ | frostschutz, it's not that hard. Be like CentOS and don't allow one to bring up an interface if the IP is already in use :-) |
| 19:22.57 | daemonkeeper | robo_: This is not related to Debian at all. That's a common (even security-related) problem in every local networ. |
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| 19:23.12 | daemonkeeper | robo_: CentOS can't enforce that either. |
| 19:23.34 | robo_ | daemonkeeper, they can't enforce it. They can however not allow the interface to be brought up |
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| 19:23.40 | kesroesweyth | orudie, apt-get update? |
| 19:23.53 | daemonkeeper | doubts that. There is no sane way to find out. |
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| 19:28.24 | mentor | You can do IP collision detection with ARP |
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| 19:31.58 | daemonkeeper | Sure you can, but it is not very reliable nor does it work sanely _prior_ to configuring an interface (i.e. bring it up with a network/ip configuration) already. |
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| 19:33.14 | vladimirz | Hi, is there any good tutorial how to setup Bind on Debian squeeze |
| 19:34.07 | gnarface | (Error code: sec_error_unknown_issuer) any ideas about why i might be getting this from iceweasel for a particular site? |
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| 19:34.51 | gnarface | er... let me append that statment... i'm getting that error from icweasel and firefox but not on all machines |
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| 19:35.04 | gnarface | why would that be? |
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| 19:39.17 | IanWizard-Cloud | Hi peeps :) |
| 19:39.37 | IanWizard-Cloud | I regret to say that I am here with a question.... |
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| 19:40.50 | thewanderer1 | I'm seeing a hard lockup on 2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64, happening at random (mostly sound-related) activities. I've just managed to reproduce this twice in a row: I run rhythmbox and that's when it hangs. The funniest thing is: the input cursor in a Pidgin / xchat window blinks *after* the lockup. All other input/output is dead, though. |
| 19:41.34 | IanWizard-Cloud | I've got a disk image that I'm trying to slice the partitions out of, problem is, I can't seem to get the sector size from fdisk, I'm just gettting the sectors that a partition spans, so I don't know what to set for the bs in dd.. |
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| 19:41.47 | IanWizard-Cloud | thewanderer1: I've had that happen before. oddest thing. |
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| 19:42.07 | thewanderer1 | yeah, it's odd but it happens a few times a day O.o |
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| 19:42.38 | wolfric | any ideas why htpdate isn't in debian repo? Was it there at any stage? |
| 19:42.42 | IanWizard-Cloud | thewanderer1: also, I got a KP regularly from the wifi driver on my previous comp, so bad that I had to tether it 24/7 |
| 19:43.06 | thewanderer1 | IanWizard-Cloud, sectors are 512-byte usually, or probably 4KB if you have an "advanced disk format" device... |
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| 19:43.58 | IanWizard-Cloud | thewanderer1: I tried 512, but when I tried to slice the second, it got just raw data (file returns data, as opposed to partition type). |
| 19:44.09 | IanWizard-Cloud | thewanderer1: so I can only assume that it was wrong. |
| 19:44.31 | thewanderer1 | IanWizard-Cloud, hmm, did you count sectors from 0 or 1? |
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| 19:44.38 | frostschutz | IanWizard-Cloud: there are some scripts that do this, kpartx I think |
| 19:44.42 | Mortvert | Hi. |
| 19:45.13 | thewanderer1 | alright, let's try launching Skype and see if it blows the kernel up, too |
| 19:45.18 | Mortvert | Eh, anyone knows a little of grub magic? I'm having some problems with it :I |
| 19:45.50 | Mortvert | Installed debian on USB drive on other PC, plugged it into thinclient i have and it can't find the USB drive |
| 19:46.01 | Mortvert | It boots to the grub, nothing beyond. |
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| 19:46.13 | IanWizard-Cloud | http://pastebin.com/skRzA7PS |
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| 19:46.38 | IanWizard-Cloud | WTF, A.) this is a 16gb drive, but now the image is only +700mb... |
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| 19:48.15 | IanWizard-Cloud | That's probably half my problem... good thing I have a backup... :) Backup is still 16gb |
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| 19:48.40 | IanWizard-Cloud | thewanderer1: frostschutz: Thx btw, I'll let you know if this fixes it. |
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| 19:49.18 | thewanderer1 | alright, launched Skype, CPU usage climbed to 100% in 5 seconds, the system became unresponsive, had to power off the machine |
| 19:50.17 | IanWizard-Cloud | thewanderer1: skype is terrible, it likes to eat systems. |
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| 19:50.40 | thewanderer1 | I know, but so does Rhythmbox right now... |
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| 19:51.06 | thewanderer1 | although with Rhythmbox it's instantaneous, while with Skype it seems I have to wait a few seconds... |
| 19:51.07 | nag | thewanderer1: take that as a lesson - don't run Skype. |
| 19:51.17 | thewanderer1 | nag, I need to, it makes me money :( |
| 19:51.21 | IanWizard-Cloud | thewanderer1: yeah, I like banshee, but it's a terrible hog too. |
| 19:51.23 | msn | if apt-get autoremove is listing a whole lot of packages to remove, how can I find what package actaully installed them |
| 19:51.24 | leino | how come there is no eclipse package in wheezy? I find this really strange. how can I install it? |
| 19:51.41 | nag | Rhythmbox, too... mp3blaster |
| 19:51.54 | thewanderer1 | IanWizard-Cloud, even a "terrible hog" can't just kill a system within under 1 second so that all network I/O ceases... |
| 19:52.14 | IanWizard-Cloud | thewanderer1: forkbomb.... ;P |
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| 19:52.24 | thewanderer1 | IanWizard-Cloud, would at least take 3s or so |
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| 19:52.30 | nag | thewanderer1: what's top show in those few seconds of breathing you have after starting Skype? |
| 19:52.37 | IanWizard-Cloud | I'd do it right now, just for fun, but I don't want to have to reboot. |
| 19:52.37 | thewanderer1 | let me check... |
| 19:52.39 | nag | thewanderer1: my guess is udevd |
| 19:53.01 | thewanderer1 | did NOT explode this time |
| 19:53.06 | nag | heh |
| 19:53.08 | IanWizard-Cloud | thewanderer1: ok, I'll test it, be back in a few, and let you know (can't test the io easily ATM, but I'll test it with the mouse.) |
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| 19:54.23 | thewanderer1 | it never breaks when I need it to :/ |
| 19:54.24 | converge | i did a instalation of debian for a vm (kvm), but im not able to get the right ip address using dhcp or using a static address i cant ping to outside my network, can somebody help me? |
| 19:55.34 | thewanderer1 | converge, describe your setup in a greater detail please - are you using bridged networking? is a DHCP server working in the network? |
| 19:55.56 | jhutchins_lt | converge: What do you mean you're not able to get the "right" address with dhcp? |
| 19:56.15 | thewanderer1 | (don't hesitate to jump in, folks - I'll be bouncing back and forth while my kernel is crashing right now) |
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| 19:56.54 | nag | dhcp is the devil's work |
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| 19:57.25 | converge | thewanderer1: im not sure if im using bridge networking i did the default setup to install a guest on using kvm. the dhcp server is working fine |
| 19:58.22 | converge | jhutchins_lt: i mean.. right, idk how to say it in english but my network is for example 10.1.1.10 but the dhcp is providing 10.0.2.2 |
| 19:58.55 | nsadmin | so your netmask is 255.0.0.0? |
| 19:58.57 | jhutchins_lt | converge: Fix the dhcp server. |
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| 19:59.10 | nsadmin | if not, see above |
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| 20:00.22 | converge | nsadmin: the problem isnt on dhcp server because other computers get the ip address from dhcp fine |
| 20:00.45 | nsadmin | is there more than one dhcp server on the wire? |
| 20:00.57 | IanWizard-Cloud | thewanderer1: damn, I'm a terrible bomber..... |
| 20:01.42 | converge | nsadmin: just one.. |
| 20:02.06 | nsadmin | what machine has the dhcp server on it? |
| 20:02.18 | nsadmin | what os is that machine running? |
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| 20:02.33 | nsadmin | what is your netmask? |
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| 20:02.52 | nsadmin | what gateway is the dhcp providing? |
| 20:02.55 | converge | the dhcp server is my dsl router |
| 20:03.11 | converge | my netmask is 255.255.255.0 |
| 20:03.46 | nsadmin | then the first three octets of your IP and your gateway MUST match |
| 20:03.49 | jhutchins_lt | Your dhcp server is not configured correctly. |
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| 20:04.08 | converge | whats wrong..? |
| 20:04.34 | nsadmin | are you positive no other machine is providing a dhcp server? |
| 20:04.36 | converge | outch, the netmask should be 255.0.0.0 |
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| 20:05.06 | converge | nsadmin: yes, the other machine is getting the dhcp well |
| 20:05.07 | nsadmin | well for 10.* and for your situation it seems that would work |
| 20:05.09 | jhutchins_lt | converge: The range of addresses must match the netmask. Yours does not, either fix the netmask or the range. |
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| 20:06.00 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Nothing wrong with a class C or smaller subnet within a 10.*** range. |
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| 20:06.26 | jelly-home | should? The smallest mask that would allow for 10.1 and 10.0. in the same segment would be 255.254.0.0 |
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| 20:07.11 | nsadmin | I asked a lot more questions than you've answered so far... it's not strictly necessary for you to answer, and it would be good for you to say whether you still need help |
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| 20:08.02 | converge | nsadmin: is this for me? |
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| 20:09.01 | Python1320 | Anyone using putty? Can I somehow reset the terminal to work again after the weird condition where the terminal loses possibility for newlines and doesn't echo the text you write to it before pressing enter |
| 20:09.22 | nsadmin | IP networking was designed to be fairly simple... and, you have to know and understand the rules to be able to improvise a solution... jelly and jhutchins are each offering working (but each different) solutions |
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| 20:10.08 | MrFrood | Python1320: man tput |
| 20:10.10 | Python1320 | If I get the condition in a screen and exit the screen all is well, but if I try to recover within the screen for example, nothing works. I've tried commands like "clear" in simplest. Even tried launching a new bash shell but nothing seems to work :( |
| 20:10.11 | gnarface | Python1320: type reset then hit enter. it might work. (yes, i know you won't be able to see yourself typing reset, so be careful) |
| 20:10.35 | Python1320 | Thanks. Never knew of that command, wow. |
| 20:10.43 | converge | nsadmin: i think i need some parameter while starting my vm, im checking |
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| 20:11.28 | nsadmin | converge, you should be able to look at the lease file, it should tell you the IP of the dhcp server that provided the lease |
| 20:12.29 | converge | sorry what lease means |
| 20:12.42 | nsadmin | it's a DHCP concept |
| 20:13.06 | nsadmin | DHCP operates by "loaning" you an IP |
| 20:13.16 | nsadmin | this loan is known as a lease |
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| 20:15.16 | nsadmin | when a DHCP client obtains a lease, it usually writes out the terms and objects of the lease into a file |
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| 20:19.03 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: The system wouldn't be getting the netmask and the address from different servers. Either the netmask is set incorrectly on the machine or the DHCP server is providing the wrong netmask. |
| 20:20.14 | nsadmin | jhutchins_lt, well I'm presently thinking of the possibility that there is an additional dhcp server that's misconfigured |
| 20:20.41 | jhutchins_lt | Isn't one misconfigured server adequate to explain the problem? |
| 20:20.55 | nsadmin | under that possibility the complete lease came from that server |
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| 20:21.43 | nsadmin | might be, and if you're right, then it's operating properly for only a subset of all the cases |
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| 20:22.04 | nsadmin | is that possible? |
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| 20:23.12 | jhutchins_lt | I don't think so. The mask it supplies must place the physical network within the range it supplies. It can be part of a larger network, but then the mask would have to be larger. |
| 20:23.38 | jhutchins_lt | The mask can be larger than the range, but the range can not be larger than the mask. |
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| 20:24.47 | corpusmainus | hello |
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| 20:26.04 | corpusmainus | hows it going? |
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| 20:27.14 | nsadmin | a dhcp server running on a linux can have multiple ranges, I would assume a dhcp server running on a blue plastic router box can only handle one range and one subnet |
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| 20:27.39 | nsadmin | it's for this reason I suspect a second dhcp server |
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| 20:28.16 | nsadmin | or the one in the blue plastic router box is badly misconfigured/// |
| 20:28.52 | nsadmin | corpusmainus, hows it going where? |
| 20:29.04 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Well, he's off messing with the VM instead of figuring out what's wrong. I'm going for the router having DHCP set up wrong. |
| 20:29.18 | jhutchins_lt | Simplest explanation first. |
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| 20:30.14 | nsadmin | it would probably be useful to see his ifconfig and route -n output |
| 20:30.38 | jhutchins_lt | If it were actually intended to be multiple subnets within a class A range I would expect him to have better support available locally. Instead i suspect that it's class A for no particular reason and configured by someone who didn't understand subnetting. |
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| 20:31.49 | jhutchins_lt | This doesn't look like any rogue DHCP server case I've seen. |
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| 20:33.25 | nsadmin | and winipcfg info on the windows boxes to compare the IPs |
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| 20:42.45 | project2501b | hi! the debian installation guide has no description as to what each of the offered partition tables offer and their limitations. |
| 20:43.03 | project2501b | at least i have not found any so far |
| 20:43.14 | jhutchins_lt | project2501b: That's not within the scope of the guide. |
| 20:43.48 | jhutchins_lt | project2501b: If you don't know or understand it, use the defaults. |
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| 20:44.22 | project2501b | jhutchins_lt: fair enough. but wouldn't it be helpful to have a link, for people who want to know more? |
| 20:44.53 | valdyn | project2501b: sure |
| 20:44.54 | project2501b | jhutchins_lt, that's not good enough: how do i make up my mind if i should use pc98 or msdos, when i got a 56TB partition? |
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| 20:45.35 | ompaul | project2501b: so have a look at this, and then go read the source ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 20:45.36 | Some_Person | project2501b: ? |
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| 20:45.54 | jhutchins_lt | project2501b: The IG needs to limit it's scope to installation issues, not the discussion of filesystems and partition tables. |
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| 20:46.27 | jhutchins_lt | project2501b: You should expect to have to do some work if you're building a system that big. |
| 20:46.46 | jhutchins_lt | (That or just use an OS that makes all the decisions for you.) |
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| 20:47.07 | MrFrood | project2501b: format it with a series of fat12 partitions :P |
| 20:47.23 | jhutchins_lt | Oh, and then span them with LVM! |
| 20:47.29 | project2501b | jhutchins_lt, sorry, i 'm a bit sacked out: what kind of work am i expected to do, please? |
| 20:47.42 | jhutchins_lt | project2501b: Learn. |
| 20:48.04 | valdyn | project2501b: how can you have responsibility for such a system but not the ability to inform yourself, thats weird |
| 20:48.05 | jhutchins_lt | Building a large server when "sacked out" is probably a poor idea anyway. |
| 20:48.19 | valdyn | project2501b: unless you're a hobbyist with to much money on his hands |
| 20:48.29 | project2501b | jhutchins_lt, sure i would love to learn! but it would be nice to have pointers within the guide, so i could bugger off and learn, instead of bugging you good people. |
| 20:48.45 | jhutchins_lt | suspects that was an exaggerated example rather than an actual description of the situation. |
| 20:48.52 | project2501b | hm? |
| 20:49.06 | jhutchins_lt | project2501b: There's this wonderful site at http://google.com ... |
| 20:49.07 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: youre probably right |
| 20:49.18 | markings_ | Hello, I have a person I'm helping tunneling his HTTP traffic and his experiencing a bazaar problem... Everything seems to be in order as far as ssh listening on port 9050 locally and the browser settings are set to use localhost port 9050 socks 5 without any other proxy settings set. However the browser continue to experience issues accessing the intern, 'Server Not Found', 'Proxy Refused', and 'Connection Timed Out'.... It doesn't make any sen |
| 20:49.22 | jhutchins_lt | project2501b: For all six people who need to partition a 56TB array. |
| 20:50.01 | jhutchins_lt | project2501b: Yeah, it might be nice to have references to all of the concepts necessary to build a system, but it's just not practical to maintain that. |
| 20:50.17 | project2501b | i beg to differ: there is a bunch of bioinformaticians that might need that. anyway. i am just arguing in favor, that's all |
| 20:50.20 | jhutchins_lt | project2501b: What the debian guide needs to be about is debian. |
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| 20:50.46 | ompaul | project2501b: go check out the link I offered |
| 20:50.55 | project2501b | ok. so i am here bugging ya :) where i can i learn about the partition table types, please? |
| 20:51.04 | ompaul | head desks |
| 20:51.13 | project2501b | ompaul, i did. but that does not have partition table types :P |
| 20:51.26 | jhutchins_lt | project2501b: Consider the possibility that whatever your great responsibility and vast scope of learning, some of us may have been working with computer systems since 1973 or so and may have a broader understanding of them in general terms. |
| 20:51.57 | project2501b | jhutchins_lt, totally agree dude. i am *literally* feeling stupid right now :( |
| 20:52.32 | valdyn | project2501b: you could make this easy: tell us what you really need ( really 56TB? ), then we can give a short answer |
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| 20:52.42 | valdyn | project2501b: or google, thats sufficiently easy too |
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| 20:52.48 | project2501b | *sigh* |
| 20:52.55 | scootie | Hello! im running a OpenMediaVault NAS software based on debian and I can't get the Intel NIC to work, how do i "install" it or just activate it under debian? |
| 20:53.01 | project2501b | valdyn, yes. 56TB. |
| 20:53.09 | project2501b | multiple jbods |
| 20:53.11 | thewanderer1 | !tell scootie about based on debian |
| 20:53.23 | project2501b | anyway |
| 20:53.43 | thewanderer1 | http://paste.debian.net/148645/ on 2.6.39 backports kernel (amd64) - this sequence is repeated till infinity. all other activity stops when it happens - hard lockup. those messages were obtained by netconsole. can I at least switch to the Intel GPU somehow? |
| 20:53.44 | scootie | ahh, ok. |
| 20:54.09 | valdyn | project2501b: use lvm |
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| 20:54.18 | jhutchins_lt | project2501b: It's probably more determined by your BIOS type these days, but: http://www.partition-table.com/partition-table/mbr-gpt.php |
| 20:54.26 | valdyn | project2501b: dont use msdos partitions, they're useless for this |
| 20:54.31 | thewanderer1 | my kernel seems to be using both Intel and nouveau at the same time, can I disable the NVIDIA GPU somehow? |
| 20:54.33 | jhutchins_lt | project2501b: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table |
| 20:54.38 | valdyn | project2501b: im assuming you dont need to boot from that raid |
| 20:55.01 | project2501b | jhutchins_lt, aha! ok! thanks for the pointer, dude! |
| 20:55.08 | project2501b | valdyn, false. i might need to. |
| 20:55.09 | scootie | Ok, so how do you install a nic under debian then? |
| 20:55.09 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: Actually, he was asking for info on partition table types. |
| 20:55.30 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: yea, he doesnt know what the options are |
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| 20:55.32 | jhutchins_lt | scootie: Turn off the power, open the box, remove a blank, install the card. |
| 20:55.37 | project2501b | ^-- what jhutchins_lt said |
| 20:55.48 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: I think he was using random examples. |
| 20:55.55 | project2501b | valdyn, do you? |
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| 20:56.08 | jhutchins_lt | scootie: Most will be detected correctly at boot, some will need a little work. |
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| 20:56.32 | valdyn | project2501b: no, not completely, but im only saying what I *know* |
| 20:56.32 | jhutchins_lt | scootie: Configuring the interface will depend on what it is and what kind of networking you use. |
| 20:56.32 | meLon | On squeeze w. xfce4, what would cause auto-mounting of usb drives? I would like to disable this |
| 20:56.44 | meLon | (Not fstab) |
| 20:57.02 | scootie | the nic is fysically installed on the machine but if i type ifconfig i get nothing, only lo shows up |
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| 20:58.17 | aoclown | Sid seems like a bad idea, frightening "don't do it" signs all over any debian page on the entire internet. So suppose someone did have to use NodeJS on their server? How would they do that in a sane manner? I'm just trying to understand what people do when stable and testing don't have all the packages people need. |
| 20:58.24 | jhutchins_lt | scootie: Does it show up with lspci? If so, do lspci -nn and find the line that describes it. Post the eight character ID here. |
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| 20:58.37 | project2501b | meLon, automounter |
| 20:58.44 | project2501b | automount ,even |
| 20:58.50 | jhutchins_lt | !tell aoclown about ssb |
| 20:58.53 | ZekeS | aoclown: look up apt flagging |
| 20:58.59 | nag | aoclown: download source code, compile |
| 20:59.02 | ZekeS | *pinning |
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| 20:59.10 | nag | or that, apt-pinning |
| 20:59.16 | aoclown | apt pinning, ssb, and by source. |
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| 20:59.40 | aoclown | I will look into these things, thanks very much guys. |
| 20:59.46 | nag | aoclown: apt-pinning is your best bet if you want to stay within the apt ecosystem |
| 20:59.53 | aoclown | Oh ok |
| 20:59.57 | jhutchins_lt | nag: It's better to build a package than install directly from source. Gives you tracking and removal options. |
| 21:00.08 | aoclown | ^ |
| 21:00.10 | aoclown | I like thaht. |
| 21:00.11 | aoclown | that* |
| 21:00.22 | jhutchins_lt | aoclown: pinning is NOT recommended these days, it's a way of mixing releases which is a BAD THING. |
| 21:00.32 | project2501b | here we go: http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/partitions/partition_types-1.html |
| 21:00.44 | nag | jhutchins_lt: I'm very familiar with package management, however, I completed the list for aoclown |
| 21:00.48 | thewanderer1 | hmm, blacklisting nouveau has fixed my completely not graphics-related problem |
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| 21:01.01 | valdyn | project2501b: im not sure you need that |
| 21:01.02 | jhutchins_lt | nag: Certainly not recommended for new users. |
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| 21:01.13 | aoclown | I'm a new user. Came from Gentoo & Arch. |
| 21:01.26 | aoclown | Confused by all these restrictive package managing nonsenses. |
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| 21:01.33 | ZekeS | aoclown: you should be fine w/ testing or sid then, tbh |
| 21:01.41 | project2501b | valdyn, can you please tell me if i should partition my 56TB as msdos or not? |
| 21:01.42 | valdyn | aoclown: its not restrictive |
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| 21:01.45 | project2501b | and why |
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| 21:02.01 | karlpinc_ | aoclown: You may wish to read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware then, being a new user. |
| 21:02.03 | valdyn | project2501b: msdos partitons have a much smaller maximum size than 56TB |
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| 21:02.06 | technologov | aoclown, if you want 'arch-like' experience, then u can run Debian-testing (which is rolling release) |
| 21:02.18 | technologov | If u want stability, go for Debian-6.0-stable |
| 21:02.21 | aoclown | ZekeS: It's more trying to learn how to do it properly, as it is a server machine and the only reason I'm staying away from sid/testing is for stability. |
| 21:02.22 | project2501b | valdyn, i don't know that. i have no information to compare with. |
| 21:02.27 | ZekeS | ahhhh |
| 21:02.27 | technologov | (that's what I use - stable) |
| 21:02.30 | project2501b | so, yeah, i will go read. |
| 21:02.32 | jhutchins_lt | nag: pinniing and frankendebian are pretty much deprecated now that we have such good tools for backports and pbuilds. |
| 21:02.50 | jhutchins_lt | nag: They're really only useful for advanced users who are mixing sid and testing or something like that. |
| 21:03.01 | valdyn | project2501b: gpt should be fine |
| 21:03.07 | karlpinc_ | jhutchins_lt: I am suddenly clueless. What's a pbuild? |
| 21:03.28 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc_: Er.... what's that script that builds from upstream sources? |
| 21:03.30 | valdyn | project2501b: and I still recommend you use lvm on top, but thats no necessity |
| 21:03.35 | project2501b | valdyn, ok, but does grub like got ? |
| 21:03.48 | valdyn | project2501b: yea |
| 21:03.53 | jhutchins_lt | gpt? |
| 21:03.55 | ZekeS | grub2 anyways |
| 21:04.01 | karlpinc_ | jhutchins_lt: Oh yah. uupdate? |
| 21:04.12 | ZekeS | GUID Partition Table |
| 21:04.13 | project2501b | jhutchins_lt, typo. sorry :) |
| 21:04.14 | valdyn | project2501b: grub2 yes, i cant say for grub1 |
| 21:04.14 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc_: Yeah, sorry, uupdate not pbuild. |
| 21:04.26 | aoclown | technologov: Am I doing it wrong? I've got squeeze main, squeeze/updates main, in my sources.list. |
| 21:04.29 | project2501b | valdyn, does grub like to boot from that partition? |
| 21:04.39 | converge | some idea why my server freezes when i create a bridge network with this command ? brctl addif br0 eth0 |
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| 21:04.42 | valdyn | project2501b: grub2 can boot from almost anything |
| 21:04.49 | jhutchins_lt | grub's actually been able to deal with EFI partitions for a couple of years, well before grub2, but I don't know if the debian grub0 had that capability. |
| 21:04.56 | project2501b | valdyn, had bad luc so far. |
| 21:05.04 | project2501b | luck even. |
| 21:05.11 | jhutchins_lt | converge: What freezes, the host or the guest? |
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| 21:05.24 | converge | jhutchins_lt: the host |
| 21:05.28 | project2501b | i had bad luck especially when putting software raid 6 and then asking grub to boot form it. |
| 21:05.31 | project2501b | anwyay |
| 21:05.33 | technologov | aoclown, pinning is not needed in your case it seems... it is used only by _experts_ whom wanna mix stable and unstable branches. |
| 21:05.42 | aoclown | o |
| 21:05.46 | technologov | It is risky and can break Debian. |
| 21:05.48 | jhutchins_lt | converge: What OS/Release is the host? What VPS are you using? |
| 21:05.52 | valdyn | project2501b: say grub2 when you mean grub2 please |
| 21:05.59 | project2501b | my bad |
| 21:06.02 | project2501b | grub2 |
| 21:06.21 | valdyn | project2501b: grub1 cant boot from raid technically, so only raid1 since it looks like no raid at all from grub2's perspective |
| 21:06.34 | valdyn | project2501b: from grub1's perspective |
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| 21:07.42 | converge | jhutchins_lt: both are debian |
| 21:07.52 | converge | im using kvm for vm |
| 21:08.19 | jhutchins_lt | converge: Pre-grub2 grub in CentOS 4 ca 2008-2009 can handle EFI. |
| 21:08.44 | jhutchins_lt | converge: Sorry, mixed thread. |
| 21:08.45 | converge | jhutchins_lt: what that means..? |
| 21:08.52 | converge | hehe ok |
| 21:08.55 | jhutchins_lt | converge: Which release on the host? |
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| 21:09.07 | meLon | project2501b: Should I remove am-utils ? |
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| 21:09.20 | converge | jhutchins_lt: 6.0 |
| 21:09.45 | zombiesallowed | hi, seems like there's a problem with flashplugin-nonfree package? I'm on 6.0.3, it gives me ERROR: wget failed to download http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/fp10.sha512.i386.pgp.asc on installation... |
| 21:10.00 | jhutchins_lt | converge: Ok, so KVM on stable host is freezing when you try to create a bridge interface. Anything in the logs? |
| 21:10.12 | valdyn | project2501b: even grub2 needs to be able to see all disks that build the raid. Bioses let them only see a limited amount of disks though |
| 21:10.27 | jhutchins_lt | zombiesallowed: Update flashplugin-nonfree |
| 21:10.27 | ignatz | i ssh into a remote computer with the remote user running X. Now i want to open up a program and als display remotely (not locally). But setting DISPLAY to :0 is not enough. Am i missing something? |
| 21:10.30 | zombiesallowed | I tried the debian wiki page on flash, that was linked below the error message, but I don't think anything there can help me |
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| 21:10.57 | thewanderer1 | converge, err, are you on a remote host and losing connectivity while you make a bridge? O.o |
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| 21:11.24 | jhutchins_lt | It should be grabbing 11, not 10. |
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| 21:11.40 | converge | thewanderer1: yes, something wrong..? |
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| 21:12.01 | thewanderer1 | converge, let me guess, you add eth0 to the bridge and... packets no longer flow? oh well |
| 21:12.09 | zombiesallowed | jhutchins_lt: sorry, but I've been away from debian and linux for a couple of years now - do you mean I should purge or reinstall the package? tried that - it errors out on reinstall, and purge&install isn't any different |
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| 21:13.07 | eday_ | Hi |
| 21:13.21 | converge | thewanderer1: yeh, its sounding like i should do it not remotely |
| 21:13.32 | jhutchins_lt | zombiesallowed: What release are you on? |
| 21:14.10 | zombiesallowed | jhutchins_lt: wait, so you meant the update-flashplugin-nonfree tool - I think I actually missed that from the wiki or somewhere... I'll try that now |
| 21:14.27 | zombiesallowed | jhutchins_lt: debian_version says 6.0.3 ;) |
| 21:14.29 | jhutchins_lt | zombiesallowed: That's part of flashpluggin-nonfree |
| 21:14.42 | jhutchins_lt | zombiesallowed: Please pastebin your sources list. |
| 21:15.13 | thewanderer1 | converge, you need at least console access; otherwise, you'll have to write an automatic script and run it in the background that enables the bridge for you. |
| 21:15.49 | thewanderer1 | converge, are you sure you need bridging, though? maybe routing between your primary iface and a separate bridge would be enough? |
| 21:15.54 | zombiesallowed | squeeze in there, it is I think the present testing branch, right? I can pastebin it for you in a sec, if you still want it |
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| 21:16.51 | converge | thewanderer1: idk.. all I need is an ip address on my guest os and be able to access it remotely, i got an tutorial for bridge looks pretty easy, do you have a better idea? |
| 21:17.53 | thewanderer1 | converge, if you can not afford bridging, KVM supports "user-mode" networking (-net user) - there is also port forwarding option realized purely in userspace that works with -net user. try that. |
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| 21:18.27 | thewanderer1 | you probably should transition to bridging in the long run, (better performance & less quirks), but it requires careful planning |
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| 21:19.22 | converge | thewanderer1: i tried -net user but i wasnt able to get an ip address, it said that eth0 did not exist |
| 21:19.56 | thewanderer1 | converge, you need to use that along with -net nic |
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| 21:23.36 | jhutchins_lt | zombiesallowed: Please pastebin your sources list. |
| 21:25.47 | zuson | hello Debian users, when i try to run apt-get i get "E: Encountered a section with no Package: header" |
| 21:26.02 | zuson | here are more details: https://gist.github.com/8e912b88b5ad1d162dfa |
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| 21:26.26 | zombiesallowed | jhutchins_lt: http://pastebin.com/ysLH8kMY |
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| 21:26.49 | zuson | Is it really a wise idea to wipe out /var/lib/apt/lists/* ? |
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| 21:28.09 | zombiesallowed | jhutchins_lt: ok, update-flashplugin-nonfree downloaded tar.gz archive |
| 21:28.24 | zombiesallowed | jhutchins_lt: *tar.gz2 actually ;) |
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| 21:28.36 | thewanderer1 | zuson, it's nothing that can't be recovered - unlike the dpkg state db |
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| 21:28.58 | zombiesallowed | jhutchins_lt: *tar.bz2 |
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| 21:29.08 | jhutchins_lt | zombiesallowed: Please change line 7 from "testing" to "squeeze" - you may have some problems with your multimedia stuff, but hopefully not too much has been posted so far. |
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| 21:29.33 | scrote | heyellow |
| 21:30.00 | scrote | Where can I learn to install drivers for. |
| 21:30.03 | scrote | 07:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01) |
| 21:30.19 | jordanm | !BCM4313 |
| 21:30.19 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4313 (PCI ID 14e4:4727, incorrectly identified as BCM4727 by Broadcom's proprietary driver) is an 802.11n PCIe wireless LAN chipset, not supported by the <b43> driver at this time. For support on Debian systems, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. Not to be confused with the <BCM4331>. |
| 21:30.29 | zuson | thewanderer1: so you suggest giving it a try? (i have not mentioned that i do not want to run 'apt-get update' right now for several reasons, so this is no solution) |
| 21:30.45 | jordanm | !tell scrote about brcm80211 |
| 21:30.48 | zombiesallowed | jhutchins_lt: isn't squeeze the prezent testing though? |
| 21:31.13 | jhutchins_lt | zombiesallowed: No, that's the problem. You should never use "testing" or "stable" in a sources.list. |
| 21:31.14 | _no0b | ' |
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| 21:32.06 | thewanderer1 | zuson, if I were you, I'd remove the lists and apt-get update |
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| 21:32.23 | zuson | thewanderer1: is there a 'minimal' option to run 'apt-get update' to just update the crucial packages? |
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| 21:32.45 | thewanderer1 | zuson, apt-get update does not update packages - it fetches new package lists |
| 21:33.01 | zombiesallowed | jhutchins_lt: so squeeze turned stable, you say? well I'm well behind then ^^ I think I see your point |
| 21:33.02 | zuson | sounds a bit paranoid, but running 'apt-get update' did almost cause a lot of trouble in the past on this system |
| 21:33.16 | thewanderer1 | zuson, update != upgrade |
| 21:33.28 | zuson | thewanderer1: oh, i mixed that up, sorry |
| 21:33.39 | zuson | thewanderer1: thanks for the hint |
| 21:33.50 | streuner | dpkg, bobbitt |
| 21:33.51 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt ]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Lenny, Squeeze, and any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 21:34.17 | jhutchins_lt | Sigh. Childish humor from an era long past. |
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| 21:34.52 | streuner | jhutchins_lt: nah, its always an issue here ;-) |
| 21:35.12 | jhutchins_lt | I much prefer |
| 21:35.15 | jhutchins_lt | !frankendebian |
| 21:35.15 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince #linux to help. |
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| 21:37.01 | streuner | jhutchins_lt: <bobbitt> is the right factoid to tell people whats going on, some other factoids just harmless, IMO. |
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| 21:37.34 | zuson | thewanderer1: it worked |
| 21:37.45 | zuson | thewanderer1: thank you for your advice! |
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| 21:38.35 | jhutchins_lt | If you have to explain a joke, it's not funny. If you have to incude a link to wikipedia to explain it, it's not only not funny it's no longer relevant. It's also not relevant since only about 10% of debian users even know that woody was an early release. |
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| 21:39.18 | jhutchins_lt | frankendebian is much more relevant and to-the-point. |
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| 21:39.52 | streuner | jhutchins_lt: the point is, <bobbitt> is that effective, that almost all users unterstand... |
| 21:40.09 | jhutchins_lt | streuner: Disagree, but it's a free channel. |
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| 21:50.02 | resus | hi, i'm having an issue getting vsftp users to authenticate through pam_pwdfile does anyone have any xperience with that? |
| 21:50.09 | jhutchins_lt | zombiesallowed: BTW squeeze released in February. |
| 21:50.59 | zombiesallowed | jhutchins_lt: like I said, I'm well behind, but catching up! ;) |
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| 21:51.49 | jhutchins_lt | zombiesallowed: It's been pretty solid. Only trouble has been manufacturers who can't grasp backward compatibility. More graphics than networking this round. |
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| 21:57.48 | zombiesallowed | jhutchins_lt: still, installing it from repo gives me the same wget error - update-flashplugin-nonfree gives me .so file and usr/ directory. so... Should I just do the obvious, as in, copy the contents of the ./usr to /usr and the .so to the respective browser plugins/ directory? |
| 21:58.46 | zombiesallowed | jhutchins_lt: I see, well, I'm glad networking works fine, since I remember some troubles with it in the past, not only on debian though. this time, it just... works out of the box for me. made me smile :) |
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| 21:59.23 | fpu | hello |
| 21:59.49 | fpu | I'm looking for image viewer that can do slideshows with smooth transitions, and can exit after finishing, all launched from command line |
| 22:00.00 | fpu | geeqie has everything, except quitting after slideshow part :-) |
| 22:00.04 | fpu | I have no idea how to kill it |
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| 22:04.59 | zombiesallowed | jhutchins_lt: well, I did the obvious and it worked :] Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, and for saving me the trouble with mixed packages in the future. hopefully I didn't do much trouble yet ;) |
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| 22:09.31 | Freeaqingme | Hi. I'm looking for docs on the exact workings of my networking config files (/etc/network/interface), like 'iface eth0 inet static', 'iface eth0 inet manual', 'iface eth0 inet ppp'. I'm not able to find any docs on this :( |
| 22:09.46 | simonlnu | !man interfaces |
| 22:09.47 | dpkg | man interfaces is probably at http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=interfaces where you can view many Debian man pages. Ask me about <docs> <dmp> <grounding> <search>. |
| 22:10.17 | simonlnu | and there's 'man interfaces' at a terminal... |
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| 22:10.45 | Freeaqingme | simonlnu, awesome. You just proved you're better than google (or my search queries just really, really suck) |
| 22:10.53 | Freeaqingme | simonlnu, tnx |
| 22:11.01 | simonlnu | np |
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| 22:14.43 | bolt | no aircrack-ng in squeeze? |
| 22:16.10 | larrikin_ | something I couldn't get a handle on in /etc/networking/interfaces ...if I have historically had pre-up and post-down statements in a ipv4 configuration, how do I then add an ipv6 block given the pre-up/post-down stuff ? |
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| 22:17.02 | OnlyHuman | #flood |
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| 22:18.06 | bolt | ... flood? |
| 22:18.39 | abrotman | most people don't use #flood anymore, they use pastebins now |
| 22:20.08 | thewanderer1 | larrikin_, I guess they should not conflict |
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| 22:23.07 | aoronan | Alguém que fala português? |
| 22:24.00 | aoronan | I need a Webmaster! |
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| 22:27.52 | abrotman | !br |
| 22:27.52 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:27.55 | thewanderer1 | aoronan, I'd try #web ... |
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| 22:35.07 | larrikin_ | thewanderer1 .. re: interfaces.. timing becomes a problem |
| 22:37.47 | thewanderer1 | larrikin_, do you have pre-up in many interface stanzas for the same device? |
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| 22:39.41 | larrikin_ | thewanderer1 I have pre-up and post-down in order to implement a bridge |
| 22:40.10 | thewanderer1 | larrikin_, uhh, you can have a bridge stanza you know |
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| 22:41.01 | thewanderer1 | iface br0 inet static \n bridge_ports eth0 eth1 ... <- makes your interface a bridge... |
| 22:41.25 | thewanderer1 | as far as I know, you need to duplicate the bridge_ports setting if you duplicate the stanza for dual-stack |
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| 22:43.15 | psusi | I'm trying to upgrade to unstable, so I updated sources.list, updated, downloaded everything, and now apt-get dist-upgrade says: could not perform immediate configuration on 'libgstreamer0.10-0' Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details |
| 22:43.22 | larrikin_ | thewanderer1 okay, that might be < 4 yrs old .. my configuration dates.. and the only way I had at the time was to use brctl and ifup/down in pre-up & post-down statements |
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| 22:44.03 | wald0_ | I have a problem with shutdown/reboot (from root console), it doesn't finish to |
| 22:44.03 | wald0_ | poweroff, anybody has a similar issue ? how i can run the init sequence in verbo |
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| 22:44.39 | thewanderer1 | larrikin_, time for a transition, then :) |
| 22:44.44 | ^--^ | wald0_ in verbo? |
| 22:44.52 | ^--^ | ive had that issue wald0_ |
| 22:45.01 | ^--^ | i had a zombie uninteruuptable lighttpd |
| 22:45.07 | ^--^ | had to power cycle |
| 22:46.25 | wald0_ | when i run "reboot", which runlevel is run ? (init6 ? init0 ?) |
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| 22:47.00 | lstarnes | wald0_: 6 |
| 22:47.06 | Engywuck | halt should be 0, so reboot is 6 |
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| 22:53.59 | larrikin_ | is nautilus compatible with gnome3 or is there a replacement ? |
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| 22:56.33 | mark76 | Well I've not heard of a new file manager for Gnome, larrikin_ |
| 22:56.33 | larrikin_ | having recently gotten gnome3 to the point where I can login, I don't see nautilus controlling the desktop.. |
| 22:56.34 | mark76 | Maybe it doesn't anymore |
| 22:56.47 | mark76 | Doesn't stop it being the file browser |
| 22:56.49 | larrikin_ | I can run it, in which case it opens a window.. |
| 22:56.57 | mark76 | There you go :) |
| 22:57.22 | larrikin_ | okay, well its hard to know what's what.. |
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| 22:57.43 | mark76 | I think Gnome shell is what controls the desktop now |
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| 23:01.29 | larrikin_ | yeah.. and contrary to my previous statement, I'll add that its amazing what you can find out when you look :) http://live.gnome.org/GNOME3Myths |
| 23:02.10 | mark76 | Reading. |
| 23:02.42 | larrikin_ | I assume that nautilus operating in 'browser mode' versus 'spatial' is the key. |
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| 23:03.56 | wald0_ | when i run "reboot", which runlevel is run ? (init6 ? init0 ?) |
| 23:04.13 | popkill | wald0_: 6 |
| 23:04.15 | psusi | wald0_, 6 is reboot, 0 is shutdown |
| 23:04.22 | blackshirt | 6 |
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| 23:05.21 | mark76 | Probably larrikin_ |
| 23:05.23 | wald0_ | thx |
| 23:05.50 | ^--^ | sorry about that wald0_ girlfriend called; i see your getting sourted out |
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| 23:06.01 | wald0_ | is there a way to verbose the reboot/shutdown ? i think that i have a init script that blocks somewhere |
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| 23:07.41 | wald0_ | maybe in the verbose setting in /etc/default/rcS |
| 23:07.42 | wald0_ | brb |
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| 23:09.15 | Freeaqingme | I'm wanting to add an alias to eth0 so that it also gets a name like ispA, so I can do ifup ispA, and eth0 is brought up. I'm looking at the mapping directive, but that seems to be something different. Any ideas? |
| 23:11.04 | chalcedony | in debian gnome is there a place to change task bar tab behaviors? (is the thing at the bottom the task bar?) |
| 23:11.20 | abrotman | change it to do what? |
| 23:12.11 | abrotman | Freeaqingme: you could just use ifrename and call it whatever you want |
| 23:12.55 | Freeaqingme | abrotman, thanks, that seems to do what I was looking for |
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| 23:18.01 | ^--^ | hey abrotman |
| 23:18.12 | ^--^ | you know 'stuff' and lots of it; how about this: |
| 23:19.24 | ^--^ | there's a method to repath a file rather than move it; 1. where could i read about this; 2. any way to measure performance offhand to see if its reallyt faster than my mv routine? 3. can you 'repath' to /dev/null to accelerate deletions? |
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| 23:20.27 | ^--^ | i'm thinking about a scenario where when managing caching clusters, files that no longer are needed are moved, then deleted as time moves forward leasurely to minimize performance hits |
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| 23:25.36 | abrotman | what? |
| 23:25.53 | abrotman | how is repath different than moving ? |
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| 23:29.28 | jhutchins_lt | He wants a trashcan. |
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| 23:30.56 | interference | hi! im not able to login via the gnome login screen. however, it is possible to login through a terminal, and logging in with a new user works as well. im running squeeze stable with gnome. any ideas? |
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| 23:31.44 | xuser | turn off your caps |
| 23:33.24 | jhutchins_lt | interference: Have you been messing around running gnome as root? |
| 23:33.40 | interference | no. |
| 23:34.35 | abrotman | interference: does it work for a newly created user? |
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| 23:34.39 | jhutchins_lt | interference: Even though you're not giving us important information about error messages, logs, or how the system prevents you from logging in, it's a pretty good guess that something has messed up the permissions or ownership on critical files in your home directory. It's just a guess though. |
| 23:34.47 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: that doesn't answer my question |
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| 23:35.18 | interference | abrotman: it works for a fresh user |
| 23:35.20 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: I take "logging in with a new user works" to be a "yes". |
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| 23:35.41 | Na_Klar | I'd like to figure out in which file/s a process is writing during runtime. How could I do that? |
| 23:35.47 | interference | jhutchins_lt: how can i provide you with the information, since logging in through a terminal is actually working? |
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| 23:39.25 | interference | jhutchins: whats happening is that i enter my password, the screen turns black and it seems like gdm is loading, but the i just get back to the login screen. |
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| 23:41.35 | jhutchins_lt | interference: I don't know much about how gnome logs, but /var/log/Xorg.0.log might have useful info, ~/.xsession-errors probably would. |
| 23:42.11 | jhutchins_lt | /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog (not real good with the Debian syslogs yet either). |
| 23:42.53 | jhutchins_lt | interference: I suppose it's possible that you requested/set an impossible configuration for something in gnome and it's not starting. |
| 23:43.11 | jhutchins_lt | interference: I don't think it's failing to log you in, I think it's failing to start gnome. |
| 23:44.39 | interference | jhutchins: this is my .xsession-errors: XIO: fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0" after 18 requests (10 known processed) with 0 events remaining. |
| 23:45.13 | jhutchins_lt | interference: Have you rebooted since this first happened? |
| 23:45.34 | interference | jhutchins: yes, a couple of times |
| 23:46.10 | jhutchins_lt | interference: Keep looking then. |
| 23:46.24 | jhutchins_lt | That does confirm that it's gnome failing to start. |
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| 23:46.55 | interference | jhutchins: my Xorg.0.log is very big and i dont know what to look for. |
| 23:48.29 | chalcedony | the bar at the bottom of gnome desktop, is a window list. its supposed to have a handle: "To configure the window list, right click on the handle to the left of the window buttons, then choose Prefernces... only i don't seem to have anything to the left, beyond 'minimize all windows'. .. |
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| 23:50.12 | abrotman | change it to do what? |
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| 23:50.37 | abrotman | it's not an Xorg issue if gdm starts |
| 23:50.45 | abrotman | chalcedony: change it to do wwhat ? (for the third time) |
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| 23:51.17 | interference | gdm only starts with a fresh user, not with my old one |
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| 23:55.51 | ^--^ | abrotman |
| 23:56.13 | ^--^ | i was under the impression that repath works directly with the nodes, the file itself doesnt ever move, just some pointers |
| 23:56.53 | ^--^ | for instance, i might have a million files in a single directory |
| 23:57.18 | ^--^ | thought that repath was supposed to have less performance hit |
| 23:57.20 | chalcedony | abrotman, i want it to consolidate the tabs so i have one tab for iceweasel and one for gnome terminal etc [14] |
| 23:57.54 | chalcedony | abrotman, 'window grouping' |
| 23:58.25 | chalcedony | i didn't know till i read the help that it's possible to show windows from all screens, that might be very useful |
| 23:58.55 | chalcedony | but it all keys off that handle.. which doesn't seem to be there |
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| 23:59.35 | chalcedony | left of 'click here to hide all windows and show the desktop.' |
