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| 00:02.22 | Baribal | Looks like there's no htop build for amd64. o.O |
| 00:02.38 | Baribal | Failed to fetch http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/h/htop/htop_0.9-2_amd64.deb 404 Not Found |
| 00:02.40 | Holborn | Angstrom_: if that counts on FLTK 1.3 this lines of /usr/include/FL/x.H ( file that include to the Xlib that cuase the error .. are all commented) |
| 00:03.08 | devil | Baribal: there is |
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| 00:03.51 | Baribal | Well... Weird #### is going on, I'd say. |
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| 00:05.19 | devil | Baribal: you want 0.9-3 |
| 00:05.24 | devil | if you want unstable |
| 00:05.54 | devil | 0.9-2 is hppa and alpha only |
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| 00:07.29 | Angstrom_ | yeah |
| 00:07.36 | Angstrom_ | ok this is FLTK 1.3 |
| 00:08.12 | Angstrom_ | I installed it instead of 1.1 because I had real problems with Fl_File_Chooser.H and a program |
| 00:08.18 | Angstrom_ | when really the function had to be rewritten |
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| 00:09.04 | Angstrom_ | so what exactly do I need to do |
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| 00:09.24 | Angstrom_ | uncomment those lines? |
| 00:10.26 | Angstrom_ | uggh |
| 00:10.29 | Angstrom_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.35 | Angstrom_ | I'm going to have to anyway |
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| 00:11.31 | Baribal | devil, thanks for the tip... As I'm too drunk to work on a production system, figuring out how to install that specific package without ####ing things up, I think I'll just jot it down and look into it when I'm actually on the clock. |
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| 00:12.01 | Baribal | Unless you feel like walking me through it, but I won't ask you for it. |
| 00:12.08 | devil | Baribal: good plan, besides that, production server running sid? |
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| 00:12.30 | devil | Baribal: i am walking to bed only, its way after midnight |
| 00:12.36 | Baribal | No. Something stable and, AFAIK, quite aged. |
| 00:12.38 | Angstrom_ | should I edit out Xlib.h and comment out all those lines? |
| 00:12.53 | Baribal | 02:11 by any chance? :D |
| 00:12.55 | Angstrom_ | Someone please give me an answer |
| 00:12.59 | devil | Baribal: you were trying to install htop from unstable |
| 00:13.11 | devil | Baribal: 02:12 |
| 00:13.26 | devil | Baribal: cant you just apt-get install htop? |
| 00:13.32 | Baribal | I was? I just sudo apt-get install htop'd, and, well, you saw the output. |
| 00:14.00 | devil | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.15 | devil | missing apt-get update maybe? |
| 00:14.33 | devil | apt-get install htop, not htop'd |
| 00:14.49 | dudz_ | 'd is a pronounciation |
| 00:15.19 | Baribal | Here's the whole story: http://pastebin.com/2qzPv7fz |
| 00:15.52 | Baribal | What dudz_ sai'd. :) |
| 00:16.19 | devil | well, its late. |
| 00:16.21 | devil | later |
| 00:16.25 | Baribal | Seeya. |
| 00:17.19 | Angstrom_ | ok |
| 00:18.00 | Baribal | Is there an IRC equivalent to alt.sysadmin.recovery? I feel like smalltalking (and venting) in an unlogged channel without being off-topic. |
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| 00:19.30 | deepa | Baribal: there's no large and unlogged channel on freenode |
| 00:19.47 | deepa | And personally I just pick whatever channel feels relevant |
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| 00:21.48 | NEWSFLASH | JUSTIN BIEBER DEAD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2rgkSW_wRA |
| 00:22.48 | Baribal | Yeeeeaaaahriiiight... Even if I gave an excrement about that kid I wouldn't open that link... |
| 00:23.02 | Baribal | ...unless it's a rick-roll. I actually like that song. |
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| 00:25.41 | Angstrom_ | Someone please give me an answer |
| 00:25.46 | Angstrom_ | http://pastebin.com/dR5iysVH |
| 00:25.54 | Angstrom_ | I tried commenting out the lines in Xlib.h |
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| 00:27.34 | Angstrom_ | What's the latest version of X |
| 00:27.58 | Angstrom_ | should I recompile X11? |
| 00:28.21 | babilen | ,versions xserver-xorg-core |
| 00:28.21 | Angstrom_ | damnit |
| 00:28.22 | judd | Package xserver-xorg-core on i386 -- lenny: 2:1.4.2-10.lenny3; squeeze: 2:1.7.7-13; sid: 2:1.10.2.902-1; wheezy: 2:1.10.2.902-1 |
| 00:28.30 | Angstrom_ | so why do I keep getting that error |
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| 00:28.36 | babilen | Angstrom_: Wouldn't ##c++ be a more appropriate channel? |
| 00:28.50 | Angstrom_ | /usr/include/X11/Xlib.h:3578: error: expected initializer before â_X_SENTINELâ |
| 00:28.59 | Angstrom_ | yeah maybe if I Could talk in it |
| 00:29.53 | Baribal | Angstrom_, I looked at the source, saw no mention of _X_SENTINEL, realized I had no specific knowledge and gave up on your problem. Sorry. |
| 00:30.00 | Angstrom_ | uhh |
| 00:30.09 | Angstrom_ | the errors were at the bottom |
| 00:30.13 | Angstrom_ | I'll even paste the error type |
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| 00:30.27 | Angstrom_ | ++ -I/usr/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I. -I/usr/include/g++ -I/usr/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I. -I/usr/include/g++ -I/usr/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 |
| 00:30.32 | babilen | Angstrom_: How is this is Debian related problem? Please ask in a C++ channel, or am I missing something here? |
| 00:30.44 | Angstrom_ | It's a Debian related problem because Ubuntu and Fedora come with package files for cinepaint |
| 00:30.48 | Angstrom_ | Debian doesn't so you have to compile it yourself |
| 00:30.58 | Angstrom_ | And if it compiles in those, but not debian, it's a debian specific problem |
| 00:31.08 | craigevil | use a third party repo |
| 00:31.14 | Angstrom_ | where? |
| 00:31.59 | babilen | Angstrom_: You might want to check how the package is compiled for Ubuntu. That would probably give you an idea how to compile it on Debian. |
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| 00:36.43 | Angstrom_ | where? |
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| 00:37.09 | daemonkeeper | You can find the build log in Launchpad |
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| 00:45.25 | OrigenAG | Hi All, I have a hardware RAID array and just added another disk so the array is now larger. How can I get LVM to recognise the extra space. pvs still reports the original RAID volume size |
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| 00:52.10 | gimpy1494 | Anyone get Adobe flash 11 x64 working on squeeze? |
| 00:52.57 | daemonkeeper | OrigenAG: vgextend? |
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| 00:53.49 | babilen | gimpy1494: Sure |
| 00:53.53 | nkuttler | gimpy1494: the flashplugin-nonfree installed one works fine for me, no idea which version that is |
| 00:54.25 | babilen | nkuttler: Depends on when you last updated manually. You have to run "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" to do that. |
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| 00:54.49 | nkuttler | yeah, i know, thanks |
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| 00:55.17 | babilen | great ;) |
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| 00:55.23 | babilen | gimpy1494: what is your problem? |
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| 00:56.47 | gimpy1494 | babilen: Just wanted to see about getting the vendor-latest flash on this new build. It's nt that important, so I guess the package is good enough. |
| 00:57.12 | gimpy1494 | babilen: Seeing as Adobe recently released v11 for Linux 64 bit |
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| 00:57.25 | babilen | gimpy1494: Just update it, it works fin |
| 00:57.28 | babilen | fine* |
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| 01:00.49 | gimpy1494 | babilen: Fine except for no sound...give me a few mintes to work on that. |
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| 01:03.58 | OrigenAG | daemonkeeper: Thanks for the response. I dont think so because pvs doesnt recognise that more space exists so it can not extend the volume group |
| 01:04.32 | daemonkeeper | Well, there is pvresize as well |
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| 01:11.28 | OrigenAG | daemonkeeper: Thats it. Yeah pvresize sorted it out |
| 01:11.34 | OrigenAG | Thanks |
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| 01:14.29 | lotus-blade | anyone table to get samba to work right with squeeze |
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| 01:28.10 | boudiccas | lotus-blade; sorry, i dont understand your question. what has a 'table' got to do with anything? |
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| 01:36.23 | gimpy1494 | bah, no sound on a |
| 01:36.46 | gimpy1494 | Dell n4010 and I see noting obvous that is wrong. |
| 01:37.07 | xxtjaxx | faw0: ping. |
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| 01:42.22 | lotus-blade | boudiccas: able, not table. stupid tuchpad mouse |
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| 02:00.02 | jnewt | how can i get my dvd rw operational. it doesn't show in /mnt, and mount -t /dev/dvdrw /mnt/dvdrw just returns information on the mount command. it's been awhile since I've mounted anything, so I may be missing something obvious |
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| 02:01.22 | Wyzard | jnewt: The -t option is for specifying a filesystem type, like iso9660 -- "-t /dev/dvdrw" is wrong |
| 02:01.25 | Wyzard | Just leave off the -t |
| 02:01.45 | Wyzard | Does /mnt/dvdrw actually exist? |
| 02:01.49 | Wyzard | mount doesn't create directories |
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| 02:01.58 | jnewt | yes, i created /mnt/dvdrw |
| 02:02.13 | jnewt | tried without the -t, says i must specify a filesystem |
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| 02:02.46 | Wyzard | then the disc in the drive doesn't contain a recognizable one |
| 02:02.53 | Wyzard | iso9660 and udf should be detected automatically |
| 02:03.48 | jnewt | is it possible to eject it without mounting it? |
| 02:03.56 | Wyzard | sure, just push the button |
| 02:03.59 | Wyzard | or use the "eject" command |
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| 02:04.18 | twock | After the last dist-upgrade I did, X claims it can't find the nvidia module. If I used dkms correctly, what else should I do to get X working with nvidia again? |
| 02:04.47 | Wyzard | twock: Does "modprobe nvidia" work? |
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| 02:06.37 | jnewt | Wyzard: i tried the button, no go. I tried the eject command, it always ejects the cd-rom drive, even if i specifiy eject dvd or eject dvdrw |
| 02:07.28 | Wyzard | eject /dev/dvdrw |
| 02:07.35 | Wyzard | It defaults to /dev/cdrom if you don't specify a device |
| 02:07.46 | twock | Wyzard: no, it doesn't |
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| 02:08.21 | jnewt | Wyzard: still ejects cdrom |
| 02:08.25 | Wyzard | twock: What does it say when you try? |
| 02:08.44 | Wyzard | jnewt: Make sure /dev/dvdrw points to the drive you think it does |
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| 02:10.42 | jnewt | Wyzard: I think it points to the dvdrw drive only because there is only one dvdrw drive. |
| 02:10.56 | twock | Wyzard: it's silent. X says "Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)" |
| 02:11.19 | jnewt | it wouldn't make much sense for dvdrw to point elsewhere |
| 02:11.30 | Wyzard | twock: I'm not talking about X, I'm talking about running "modprobe nvidia" from a root shell |
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| 02:12.00 | Wyzard | twock: The "module" that xorg refers to may actually be the driver in the nvidia-glx package, not the kernel module |
| 02:12.11 | Wyzard | jnewt: Don't assume, check with "ls -l" |
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| 02:15.01 | jnewt | points to sr0 |
| 02:15.18 | twock | Wyzard: Trying to install nvidia-glx results in broken packages. I'm on Sid, so maybe there are packages missing right now? |
| 02:16.11 | Wyzard | I'm running sid and I just upgraded a little while ago, and didn't have any conflicts or holds related to the nvidia driver |
| 02:16.22 | Wyzard | but if you don't have nvidia-glx installed, that explains why it's not working |
| 02:16.28 | Wyzard | jnewt: What does /dev/cdrom point to? |
| 02:16.38 | Wyzard | jnewt: and try "eject /dev/sr1" |
| 02:19.48 | jnewt | cdrom->sr0 |
| 02:20.03 | jnewt | unable to find or open device for: '/dev/sr1' |
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| 02:20.34 | Wyzard | ls /dev/sr* |
| 02:20.41 | Wyzard | Do you have anything other than sr0? |
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| 03:55.53 | blahdeblah | lahwran: If it hasn't already been suggested: it would probably be worth trying 'aptitude reinstall udev' |
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| 03:57.08 | lahwran | blahdeblah: interesting, lemme try |
| 03:57.22 | lahwran | I'll just blindly assume nothing bad will happen if I was wrong >.. |
| 03:57.33 | yudi1 | i am planning on installing Debian with encryption, should I go with encryption under the LVM layer or on top of the LVM layer? Default install puts encryption under the LVM layer, is there any advantage of going the other way? |
| 03:58.04 | lahwran | I can't think of one, but that's not something I'm good with |
| 03:58.09 | blahdeblah | yudi1: Depends on a number of factors, but usually encryption under LVM makes the most sense |
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| 03:58.38 | yudi1 | blahdeblah: could you please elaborate? |
| 03:58.43 | blahdeblah | yudi1: I've never done it, but one reason i can think of for putting LVM under encryption is if you want different filesystems to have different encryption keys |
| 03:58.44 | karlpinc_ | lahwran: If you put it over the lvm layer you can see the lv stuff without encryption. But what's the point? |
| 03:59.00 | blahdeblah | yudi1: See above. :-) |
| 04:00.08 | karlpinc_ | lahwran: The thing to do with complex security stuff is to follow the experts advice. They have thought it through, the right way. |
| 04:00.23 | blahdeblah | yudi1: Or if you want to have some partitions encrypted and some not. Probably the only reason you would do that is for performance. |
| 04:02.08 | yudi1 | karlpinc_: the best one can glean from having encryption on top of LVM is the partition schema, I am certain they cannot see any stuff. |
| 04:04.27 | karlpinc_ | yudi1: They might be able to guess which partition they want to try to crack -- conceivably making the job easier. On the other hand if you encrypt everything the lvm might put known values in known locations thereby making it easier to crack. This is the sort of tradeoff that's best left to somebody who knows what they're doing. |
| 04:04.44 | blahdeblah | yudi1: It would probably perform worse as well, because you'd need a separate crypto process for each LV |
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| 04:07.36 | yudi1 | blahdeblah: thats not how it works, the same key will unlock all the partitions, it takes the same variables |
| 04:08.45 | blahdeblah | yudi1: Depends how you set it up |
| 04:09.10 | yudi1 | blahdeblah: although separate keys for each partition can be setup, thats not how I am planning |
| 04:09.27 | blahdeblah | If that's the case, then putting crypto under LVM makes the most sense |
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| 04:14.15 | rubin110 | What kernel comes with the Wheezy installer? |
| 04:15.29 | gnarface | uh |
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| 04:16.26 | gnarface | i dunno |
| 04:17.47 | simonlnu | probably 2.6.39 |
| 04:18.54 | gnarface | ,versions linux-image |
| 04:18.55 | gnarface | ? |
| 04:18.56 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image' was found in i386. |
| 04:19.05 | gnarface | ,versions linux-image-2.6-i386 |
| 04:19.07 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image-2.6-i386' was found in i386. |
| 04:19.11 | gnarface | ,versions linux-image-2.6-i386 |
| 04:19.11 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image-2.6-i386' was found in i386. |
| 04:19.16 | gnarface | ,versions linux-image-2.6 |
| 04:19.16 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image-2.6' was found in i386. |
| 04:19.18 | gnarface | i give up |
| 04:20.06 | allorder | 2.6.39-2 |
| 04:20.19 | gnarface | ,versions linux-image-i386 |
| 04:20.20 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image-i386' was found in i386. |
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| 04:24.14 | simonlnu | ,kernels |
| 04:24.15 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc6-686-pae (3.0.0~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 04:24.21 | simonlnu | ^^^ |
| 04:24.24 | gnarface | hah |
| 04:24.27 | simonlnu | gnarface: ^^^ |
| 04:24.29 | gnarface | thanks simonlnu |
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| 04:24.58 | simonlnu | np |
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| 04:27.09 | jagmarz | Folks, I'm stuck. (sid/amd64) nvidia module loads into kernel, but xorg complains about no nividia module. Any advice? |
| 04:27.42 | gnarface | jagmarz: sometimes requires cold boot |
| 04:27.59 | Wyzard | jagmarz: Someone else was asking about that just a little while ago... the problem turned out to be that nvidia-glx wasn't installed |
| 04:28.26 | Wyzard | jagmarz: The "module" that xorg refers to isn't the kernel module, it's the xorg driver library |
| 04:28.29 | jagmarz | have rebooted several time. nvidia-glx won't install because of version dependency on libgl1-nvidia-glx 275.09.07-1. |
| 04:28.48 | Wyzard | You may need to install things from experimental to resolve that |
| 04:29.15 | jagmarz | When I explore installing libgl1-nvidia-alternatives, it wants to uninstall half my system, so that seems out. |
| 04:29.16 | Wyzard | There are some dependency-related changes with the mesa packages, related to multiarch, which cause that problem |
| 04:29.26 | Wyzard | Well, you can't use the nvidia driver without nvidia-glx |
| 04:29.30 | Wyzard | It's not optional, it's the driver |
| 04:30.33 | Arrowmaster | yeah i had to install from experimental to get things working |
| 04:30.37 | Wyzard | See http://blog.mraw.org/2011/06/18/mesa_a_disturbance_in_the_Force/ |
| 04:30.42 | jagmarz | Yeah, it seems uninstalling the mesa drivers is what trips up the uninstall of everything else. |
| 04:30.59 | jagmarz | Thanks ... checking now. |
| 04:31.21 | Wyzard | Apparently downgrading to the testing version of mesa is another possibility, instead of upgrading mesa and nvidia stuff from experimental |
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| 04:46.00 | jagmarz | Ok, so I'm not all that familiar with the intricacies of the packaging system. My sources.list says "testing", and /etc/debian_version says "wheezy/sid". |
| 04:46.16 | jagmarz | My mesa version is 7.10.3-3, which seems to be either wheezy or sid. |
| 04:47.23 | gnarface | jagmarz: testing is wheezy right now. you might want to change your sources to say wheezy |
| 04:48.23 | wols_ | jagmarz: the adive is to go to #debian-next on oftc. your problem is very much known and they have the solution for you. |
| 04:48.32 | wols_ | !testing |
| 04:48.32 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 04:48.52 | wols_ | strange. didn't it mention debian-next? |
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| 05:04.30 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.35 | deStonez | installed via usb, fstab has bad values in it (as the drives have all moved up a letter) --- whats the fix for this? |
| 05:04.48 | deStonez | manually do it |
| 05:04.50 | deStonez | or is there a clean up? |
| 05:05.26 | Wyzard | fstab shouldn't be using lettered device names, it should use things like LABEL= or UUID= |
| 05:05.35 | deStonez | yeha, it has UUID |
| 05:05.47 | deStonez | i though tit actually used lettered device names |
| 05:05.49 | deStonez | wow |
| 05:05.53 | deStonez | ok, well, never mind then |
| 05:05.57 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 05:06.42 | deStonez | "the more you know ..." rainbow flys out of my head |
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| 05:13.10 | jagmarz | ok, I've located the bug report for nvidia-glx, but the "solution" doesn't seem to work; nvidia-glx still refuses to install. Any further advice? |
| 05:13.33 | jagmarz | BTW, it's http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=632674 |
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| 05:23.12 | wols_ | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 05:23.13 | judd | Package nvidia-glx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; wheezy/non-free: 275.09.07-1; sid/non-free: 275.09.07-5; experimental/non-free: 280.04-1 |
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| 05:27.40 | Wyzard | jagmarz: aptitude's interactive mode is helpful for figuring out where the root of the problem is in a dependency snag |
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| 05:31.49 | ham5 | new problem with sid, something todo with gnome-panel and the transparency will make X run heavy pretty much unresponsive |
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| 05:33.27 | jagmarz | Wyzard: I've been using dselect all these years... Here's a question: when I try apt-get -t stable install nvidia-glx, it still tries to install the wheezy version. What do I have to do to force an install from stable? |
| 05:33.52 | Wyzard | Do you have an entry for unstable in your sources.list? |
| 05:35.38 | jagmarz | No. I just have the one entry for testing. But your question makes me face the fact that my understanding is weak. |
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| 05:35.57 | Wyzard | apt only knows about packages that you have sources.list entries for |
| 05:36.10 | Wyzard | You need to add an entry for unstable and run "apt-get update" |
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| 05:36.36 | Wyzard | and if you do, you should read about apt-pinning, and configure apt to use testing by default |
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| 05:36.56 | jagmarz | Ok, I'll look into that. |
| 05:37.00 | jagmarz | Thanks, again! |
| 05:37.03 | Wyzard | Otherwise, it'll choose unstable versions of everything new you install, because it chooses the newest available version by default |
| 05:37.36 | jagmarz | Yeah, that's why I don't have multiple entries... |
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| 05:43.02 | ham5 | nm been reported |
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| 05:48.45 | spirals | I'm having a problem where only wget fails to resolve domain names to IP addresses. Any clues would be appreciated. I'm running Squeeze, kernel 2.6.18-xen on a Xen-hosted VPS. The domain lookup problem was solved for other apps (apt-get, ping) by disabling IPv6, but wget still isn't working. /etc/nsswitch is unchanged from default. /etc/resolv.conf contains google nameservers. |
| 05:48.53 | jagmarz | Hallelujah! nvidia is working!!! Thanks a million, folks! |
| 05:49.38 | spirals | Specifically 2.6.18-238.12.1.el5xen, x86_64 |
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| 05:53.05 | fenugreek | jagmarz: =) |
| 05:54.36 | Raptors | can someone please tell me why I cant write to my new ext4 format? |
| 05:54.37 | Raptors | :\ |
| 05:54.51 | fenugreek | Raptors: how're you trying to write to it? |
| 05:55.21 | Raptors | I went to nautilus and clicked on it from the left side bar thing |
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| 05:55.23 | Raptors | mounted it |
| 05:55.28 | Raptors | and tried to copy over something to it |
| 05:55.35 | Raptors | but it's grayed out |
| 05:55.43 | Raptors | I can't even create a new folder |
| 05:55.47 | fenugreek | run 'mount' in a terminal |
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| 05:58.42 | shauno | spirals: wget has a -4 switch to force non-v6; does that give you different results? |
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| 05:59.35 | Raptors | fenugreek, same prob |
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| 06:00.32 | spirals | shauno: I feel like a fool for not checking for that; it does work with -4 |
| 06:00.45 | Raptors | sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/debian |
| 06:00.58 | Raptors | is there a manual option for read write? |
| 06:01.21 | spirals | shauno: I'm willing to chalk this up to a custom kernel of unknown origin, I can't imagine something like this would exist in debian stable otherwise. :) |
| 06:01.28 | spirals | thanks for the workaround anyway |
| 06:03.21 | spirals | and if there's anything else I can check to see why wget fails while others work, just let me know and I'll pastebin it. |
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| 06:05.23 | fenugreek | Raptors: right, but does it say 'ro' in the output? |
| 06:05.32 | Raptors | no |
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| 06:08.49 | fenugreek | Raptors: where's it mounted? |
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| 06:09.34 | fenugreek | Raptors: oh, maybe you've yet to run su -c 'chown -R username:username /mount/path' |
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| 06:09.56 | Wyzard | That's not something one should do without thinking carefully first |
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| 06:10.05 | Talon_ | is there a way to expunge compressed logs from /var/log ? or a way to remove *.gz in every folder inside /var/log ? |
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| 06:11.08 | fenugreek | Talon_: find /var/log/ -iname '*.gz' -exec someCommand {} \; |
| 06:11.10 | devil | Talon_: you can read them with zcat |
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| 06:11.46 | devil | other than that i am not aware what expunge means :) |
| 06:11.48 | Talon_ | ok so find /var/log/ -iname '*.gz' -exec rm |
| 06:12.16 | Talon_ | eradicate, remove, delete, drop, etc.. |
| 06:12.34 | devil | yeah, just had it translated |
| 06:13.01 | fenugreek | find /var/log/ -iname '*.gz' -exec du -hs {} \; | sort -h =) |
| 06:14.52 | Talon_ | awesome |
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| 06:17.22 | fenugreek | yikes, my /var/log/ is up to 2.4GB |
| 06:17.37 | Talon_ | exactly why i wanted to clear mine hehe |
| 06:17.44 | fenugreek | I wonder how much of that is Apache errors from me playing with stuff I don't understand |
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| 06:19.21 | wols_ | fenugreek: sounds like your logrotate isn't rotating? |
| 06:20.11 | wols_ | Talon_: maybe you could configure your logrotate more to your liking? |
| 06:20.27 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:21.23 | fenugreek | well it's actually a desktop |
| 06:21.27 | fenugreek | so I don't bother with logrotate |
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| 06:21.46 | fenugreek | but I appreciate the thought =) |
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| 06:24.05 | Talon_ | eh, i'm fine with at least knowing how to remove them, i didn't need all them .gz's floating around, unless i can configure it to just delete instead of making a *.log.1 |
| 06:25.08 | wols_ | well you can prevent the .gz files from getting made. and a few cron jobs run less per day |
| 06:25.19 | drinkycrow | what kernel comes with lenny? |
| 06:26.55 | devil | lenny dies not come at all anymore :) |
| 06:27.00 | devil | does, even |
| 06:27.49 | drinkycrow | squeeze rather |
| 06:27.51 | drinkycrow | 6.0.2 |
| 06:28.15 | drinkycrow | nvm, found it |
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| 06:28.44 | Talon_ | mines 2.6.32-5 |
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| 06:28.52 | Talon_ | I run squeeze |
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| 06:29.49 | drinkycrow | it does not like my wifi card |
| 06:30.14 | devil | drinkycrow: it wants firmwarte for it, probably |
| 06:30.20 | drinkycrow | eh |
| 06:30.24 | devil | drinkycrow: what card? |
| 06:30.28 | drinkycrow | atheros |
| 06:30.35 | drinkycrow | it knows the card is there, says it's using it |
| 06:30.37 | devil | which one? |
| 06:30.39 | drinkycrow | not finding any aps |
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| 06:30.56 | drinkycrow | don't remember exactly |
| 06:30.57 | Talon_ | yea, I had to use my laptop with Internet connection sharing to be able to get the proprietary non-free firmware for my wireless controller, I forgot to download it 1st upon install lol. |
| 06:31.18 | drinkycrow | prolly just gonna have to use madwifi |
| 06:31.31 | devil | well, most atheros cards work with free drivers these days... |
| 06:31.37 | Talon_ | I'm pretty sure it just found it for me once i gave it a way to the net. |
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| 06:31.50 | drinkycrow | i even told it the SSID and key and it's still not getting on |
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| 06:37.31 | wols_ | drinkycrow: there is no madwifi anymore. what does lspci say? |
| 06:37.37 | wols_ | and what iwlist? |
| 06:40.14 | drinkycrow | havne't gotten it installed yet |
| 06:40.25 | drinkycrow | just finished partitioning |
| 06:40.28 | drinkycrow | skipped the network setup |
| 06:40.41 | wols_ | are you using WPA? |
| 06:41.10 | wols_ | basically the installer doesn't know about WLAN encryption. not even sure it knows about WEP |
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| 06:41.34 | drinkycrow | WPA2-PSK |
| 06:41.53 | drinkycrow | it asked me for the key. told me if it was a password to prepend it with "s:" |
| 06:42.01 | drinkycrow | it's not even picking up the local unsecured aps |
| 06:42.02 | wols_ | then that's normal. WPA is not supported by the installer at all. |
| 06:42.06 | Lns | would an ARM CPU be a good choice for a debian based router/firewall/ssh server? how scalable would it be? |
| 06:42.21 | fenugreek | Lns: wouldn't be a bad choice |
| 06:42.24 | fenugreek | Lns: scalable? |
| 06:42.26 | wols_ | Lns: yes it would |
| 06:42.27 | drinkycrow | oh. thanks |
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| 06:43.06 | drinkycrow | it should still be able to find open aps then though shouldn't it? |
| 06:43.14 | Lns | fenugreek, yeah - like would it be a better choice than x86 as far as network throughput and use of core network stuff in linux (iptables, ssh port forwarding, tcp/ip in general) |
| 06:43.44 | fenugreek | I doubt there are any concerns of that nature |
| 06:44.04 | wols_ | Lns: your question is nonsensical |
| 06:44.05 | fenugreek | that's probably the first things developers fix for any arch |
| 06:44.15 | Lns | I was just looking at these and thought it would make something cool like that.. http://www.ionicsplug.com/nimbus100.html |
| 06:44.21 | Guest23574 | is it possible to clear up the serial connection? |
| 06:44.24 | fenugreek | those're* |
| 06:44.33 | Guest23574 | flush it. |
| 06:44.37 | wols_ | Guest23574: what serial connection? |
| 06:44.42 | Guest23574 | tty0 |
| 06:44.45 | Guest23574 | ttyS0 |
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| 06:45.53 | wols_ | define "clear up"? what is your actual problem? |
| 06:46.15 | Guest23574 | basically i have a Serial to RJ-45 converter connected to a 1 Wire hub |
| 06:46.23 | Guest23574 | with 10 temperature sensors |
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| 06:46.44 | fenugreek | Lns: $100, nice |
| 06:46.47 | wols_ | you could use minicom which would try to read all current "data" in any buffer along the way |
| 06:47.52 | wols_ | Lns: for it to work as a router (unless you want WLAN only) you need one with 2 ethernet ports. look at sheevaplug, guruplug and its derivatives (this nimbus is one of those). basically "plug computing". there are many more out there |
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| 07:03.01 | tyr | hi, can someone tell me why it is necessary for a locally logged in user not to have permissions for usb. i'm sorry that i am annoyed about this, maybe knowing the reason could at least make me feel better. |
| 07:03.21 | fenugreek | it isn't necessary, but it is more secure |
| 07:03.34 | tyr | how it is more secure |
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| 07:03.40 | fenugreek | I read about a security firm that did an experiment once |
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| 07:03.53 | fenugreek | they left usb sticks outside around a building |
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| 07:04.10 | fenugreek | and eventually they found that some employees of the building had connected them to their computers |
| 07:04.26 | fenugreek | at which point the usb sticks ran unhindered automatic scripts |
| 07:04.38 | fenugreek | which could have been any sort of naughty software |
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| 07:05.20 | fenugreek | it's no substitute for keeping your wits, though |
| 07:05.24 | fenugreek | and as I said, you can have it if you want |
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| 07:06.07 | tyr | so without usbsticks the employees could not run naughty software? |
| 07:06.42 | fenugreek | tyr: no as I said, no substitute =) |
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| 07:10.13 | tyr | in my case, i'm a student who has some usb programmers, either for a avr microcontroller or now a fpga board which has logic for usb and is directly connected. i had read about various ways like adding the user to plugdev. but in the end, the only thing working is changing to root. |
| 07:13.42 | fenugreek | tyr: plugdev should work |
| 07:13.52 | fenugreek | in fact by default for most DEs it should all be autoconfigured |
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| 07:15.10 | wols_ | tyr: what does "id" say for your user? |
| 07:15.29 | tyr | uid=1001(student) gid=1001(student) groups=1001(student),4(adm),20(dialout),21(fax),24(cdrom),25(floppy),26(tape),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),113(fuse),116(scanner) |
| 07:15.53 | wols_ | so you are a member of the plugdev group |
| 07:16.33 | tyr | when i read about it, of course i tried it out |
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| 07:19.24 | nevyn | have you logged off and on again |
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| 07:22.16 | tyr | http://pastebin.com/KvNFT4sB |
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| 07:22.53 | tyr | you can see the same command executed twice, first as user, then as root |
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| 07:25.34 | wols_ | tyr: have you checked your /dev/ file and what permissions it actually has? |
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| 07:28.11 | mark76 | Help! I'm being spammed |
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| 07:29.30 | tyr | not sure which one, i tried the following: ls -l /dev/bus/usb/001/001 crw-rw-r-- 1 root root 189, 0 Jul 15 19:01 /dev/bus/usb/001/001 |
| 07:29.52 | yagoo | yuck. |
| 07:29.54 | yagoo | use lsusb |
| 07:30.12 | tyr | Bus 003 Device 010: ID 03eb:2104 Atmel Corp. AVR ISP mkII |
| 07:31.16 | tyr | crw-rw-r-- 1 root root 189, 265 Jul 16 09:26 /dev/bus/usb/003/010 |
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| 07:31.35 | wols_ | since they're all owned by root only, only root can directly access them... duh! |
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| 07:33.32 | mark76 | http://imagebin.org/163332 |
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| 07:35.42 | mark76 | http://imagebin.org/163334 |
| 07:35.52 | wols_ | mark76: onjoin spam? cause I couldn't verify it |
| 07:35.53 | mark76 | wols I'm being spammed |
| 07:35.57 | tyr | thank you, this works. i'm sorry, i really was annoyed because yesterday, i was together with the other students and all i was doing is trying to program this diligent board. today, i realised that it was the permissions |
| 07:36.08 | mark76 | Yeah. It's on join |
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| 07:36.52 | mark76 | http://imagebin.org/163332 |
| 07:37.23 | ikonia | confirmed with me also |
| 07:37.26 | ikonia | just removed him from #ubuntu for the same |
| 07:38.53 | wols_ | !ops newss is an onjoin spammer |
| 07:38.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: wols_ complains about: newss is an onjoin spammer |
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| 07:40.14 | mark76 | :) |
| 07:40.34 | mark76 | Thanks |
| 07:40.39 | peterS | np |
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| 07:41.41 | gentz | Flash videos (youtube) have no sound. Other than that my sound works, and has worked before on youtube. What can I do to find out what the problem is? |
| 07:42.29 | gnarface | gentz: running some other program simultaneously that is tying up your soundcard? |
| 07:42.50 | gentz | gnarface: nope |
| 07:43.01 | devil | gentz: alsa or pulseaudio? |
| 07:43.37 | gentz | devil: pulseaudio |
| 07:44.05 | devil | gentz: you poor soul ;) |
| 07:44.29 | devil | i wont touch it with a 10 foort pole |
| 07:44.48 | gentz | devil: came default on debian. should I remove it, and use alsa ? |
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| 07:45.02 | devil | gentz: no, it didnt |
| 07:46.16 | devil | and yes, "i" would purge it and use alsa. |
| 07:46.27 | gentz | devil: came default with the kde meta package then I think |
| 07:46.37 | gnarface | would too |
| 07:46.38 | devil | gentz: nope, thats just a lib |
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| 07:47.09 | devil | ii libpulse-mainloop-glib0 0.9.21-4.1 PulseAudio client libraries (glib support) |
| 07:47.10 | devil | ii libpulse0 0.9.21-4.1 PulseAudio client libraries |
| 07:47.31 | gentz | how can i find out how it got on the system? |
| 07:47.45 | gentz | normallyu i have alsa running, but i just installed this box & when i checked it was pulseaudio |
| 07:48.05 | devil | gentz: please pastebin dpkg -l | grep pulse* |
| 07:48.11 | wols_ | usually by stuff like installing gnome |
| 07:48.19 | devil | gentz: maybe you installed ubuntu. |
| 07:48.34 | devil | wols_: gnome pulls in pulseaudio? |
| 07:49.30 | gentz | http://pastebin.com/kZGQ1tiE |
| 07:49.40 | gentz | I just installed debian w/ kde |
| 07:49.54 | ham5 | root |
| 07:49.58 | gentz | I did use the debian multimedia repository for ffmpeg |
| 07:50.09 | nevyn | gnome requies pulseaudio |
| 07:50.25 | wols_ | nevyn: and most likely so does kde |
| 07:50.29 | nevyn | there's a reasonable ammount of effort behind making it the standard |
| 07:50.47 | nevyn | people need to gtf over it and get wiht the program imeo |
| 07:50.51 | devil | wols_: kde just pulls the 2 libs above |
| 07:51.10 | nevyn | it's actually pretty neat from my pov |
| 07:51.21 | nevyn | it == pulseaudio |
| 07:51.32 | devil | nevyn: if it works |
| 07:51.37 | nevyn | wfm. |
| 07:52.19 | devil | gentz: from what i see, pulseaudio as a package is not installed. so alsa should work |
| 07:52.20 | nevyn | the whole idea that apps should directly access the soundcard is ridiculous when you really think about it. |
| 07:52.39 | nevyn | devil: alsa still works when pulse is installed and configured correctly |
| 07:53.14 | nevyn | you make a pulse sandwich app -> alsa(pulseplugin) -> pulse -> alsa(hw) |
| 07:53.49 | gentz | Yeah sound still works , but the youtube flash videos aren't producing any sound still with alsa |
| 07:54.04 | nevyn | note the configured correctly. |
| 07:54.12 | devil | gotta get some work done, later |
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| 08:01.26 | gentz | when I removed pulseaudio. i coudnt' boot. when I reinstalled it and booted, the youtube videos started working. |
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| 08:17.02 | Kazuha | This may seem like an odd question... but does anyone know what would cause both gxine and totem to not output audio, but not effect other programs like mplayer/smplayer or xine? |
| 08:17.31 | nevyn | gxine and totem being misconfigured? |
| 08:17.47 | Kazuha | For one user account on the system. |
| 08:17.53 | Kazuha | Where both previously worked. |
| 08:18.08 | nevyn | Kazuha: run pactl stat and tell me if it returns anything. |
| 08:18.13 | nevyn | as the normal user on the system |
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| 08:19.38 | Kazuha | It returns stuff. |
| 08:19.53 | Ramosa | debian network install iso freeze at installer boot menu once i click install... i run it through vbox though |
| 08:20.41 | nevyn | Kazuha: is the default sink sane? |
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| 08:21.00 | Kazuha | Default Sink: auto_null < for both. |
| 08:21.11 | nevyn | Kazuha: that's your problem |
| 08:21.59 | Kazuha | ? |
| 08:22.29 | Kazuha | It *stopped* working on one account and *currently* works on the other.... (Just double-checked.) |
| 08:23.16 | nevyn | you have multiple users simultaneously? |
| 08:23.48 | Kazuha | Fairly often, although I usually only use audio on one account at once. |
| 08:23.48 | nevyn | Kazuha: or with quick user switching type things. |
| 08:23.58 | Kazuha | More like gksu. |
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| 08:24.33 | Kazuha | (Or (alternatively) running xinit as multiple users.) |
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| 08:26.43 | nevyn | Kazuha: so if you're doing that it might be worth using a system pulse daemon |
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| 08:28.09 | Kazuha | The thing is, even when I don't have multiple user accounts active at once... sometimes totem's audio stops working (usually a swift kill to pulseaudio or deleting the lockfiles it creates fixed it... but that hasn't worked). |
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| 08:42.29 | lancelot_of | hi all |
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| 08:44.20 | lancelot_of | about my X issue of yesterday i found that X crashes on fullscreen applications, like screensaver, stellarium and so on. Dunno if the same trouble regards also the freezing issue but about the crash one i get these lines in Xorg.0.log.old: http://paste.debian.net/123067/ |
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| 08:45.15 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:45.28 | wols_ | E_PASTE |
| 08:46.06 | nevyn | lancelot_of: intel driver? |
| 08:46.08 | nevyn | in sid? |
| 08:46.28 | lancelot_of | nevyn, yes, intel driver in wheezy |
| 08:46.45 | nevyn | yeah I've had the same problefm for a while.. |
| 08:46.57 | lancelot_of | never, and then...? |
| 08:47.35 | lancelot_of | nevyn, sorry ;) and then? |
| 08:48.57 | nevyn | lancelot_of: just another datapoint. |
| 08:49.00 | nevyn | don't have a solution |
| 08:49.26 | lancelot_of | nevyn, do you still hsve the same problem? |
| 08:49.43 | nevyn | yep |
| 08:50.26 | lancelot_of | nevyn, you said "i've had...for a while"...i intended you solved it ;) |
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| 08:52.41 | lancelot_of | no one has any suggestion? |
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| 08:58.10 | lancelot_of | maybe the intel git version of the driver may help? |
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| 09:05.54 | blue_sky | What is the easiest way to find which package(s) is dependant on one that I want to remove? |
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| 09:07.06 | frikinz | blue_sky: apt-rdepends ? |
| 09:07.25 | cahoot | blue_sky, perhaps apt-cache rdepends |
| 09:08.11 | lancelot_of | or maybe a could do a sporious hack....remove the wheezy version of the driver, update apt to stable and install the stable version...what do you think about? |
| 09:08.13 | blue_sky | cahoot: spot on, thank you |
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| 09:15.30 | lancelot_of | or maybe i could do a sporious hack....remove the wheezy version of the driver, update apt to stable and install the stable version...what do you think about? |
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| 09:22.41 | folivora | Anyone alive ? |
| 09:23.24 | folivora | I am trying to install grub2 to my debian (lenny). I get this error: http://pastebin.com/4D5q6RxP |
| 09:23.42 | folivora | System boot's just find and so on, but still I am unable to install new grub |
| 09:25.35 | wols_ | folivora: lvm, raid, etc? |
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| 09:26.30 | wols_ | lancelot_of: I'm not sure stable would work for you: back when the intel driver for stable was made, HD 3000 did not exist yet |
| 09:26.41 | folivora | wols_: noup, just one sata-disk. I have raid-array but it is separeted from os-disk |
| 09:27.07 | wols_ | then what is /dev/sys1 supposed to be? |
| 09:27.20 | wols_ | and what is the content of your device.map file? |
| 09:28.30 | wols_ | ,versions grub-pc |
| 09:28.32 | judd | Package grub-pc on i386 -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98+20100804-14; wheezy: 1.99-6; sid: 1.99-8 |
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| 09:29.52 | folivora | wols_: (hd0) /dev/sys1 |
| 09:30.44 | folivora | wols_: dmesg |grep sda* -> sd 1:0:0:0: [sda] 156301488 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB |
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| 09:31.44 | folivora | I don't understand why it wont find /dev/sys1, since it is in device.map ect.... |
| 09:32.31 | wols_ | why is it named /dev/sys1 in the first place? |
| 09:32.58 | aidalgol | OK, this isn't clearing the notifications in the mode line. http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ErcChannelTracking#toc4 |
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| 09:33.21 | folivora | Since I had problems with OS-disk & raid-array. They were chanding ID randomly with every boot. So I made udev-rule that sda is /dev/sys1 |
| 09:33.21 | aidalgol | And `erc-modified-channels-alist' is just nil afterwards. :/ |
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| 09:34.37 | jaakkos | folivora: are those symlinks? try writing devices.map using /dev/disk/by-id |
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| 09:35.52 | folivora | jaakkos: lemme test |
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| 09:38.50 | jaakkos | otoh, those are symlinks too... |
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| 09:40.55 | folivora | jaakkos: It seems that, it doesnt matter what I write to /boot/grub/device.map. After change, when I try to install grub, it just complais same error. "Ca'nt find /dev/sys1, check your device.map |
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| 09:42.46 | folivora | grr |
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| 09:43.35 | jaakkos | hmm are you rtying to install on a partition |
| 09:43.39 | lancelot_of | during wifi working i get : SIOCGIFADDR: Cannot assign requested address from kernel, even if wifi continues to work. What's happening?What do those messages mean?How to fix? |
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| 09:44.18 | folivora | jaakkos: Could you be a bit more specific with your question :) |
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| 09:45.01 | jaakkos | folivora: do you remember the configure script of grub-pc? there should be a blue screen asking you to select install dev |
| 09:45.34 | jaakkos | flokuehn: perhaps dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc could help |
| 09:45.34 | folivora | Yap, I do remember that. |
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| 09:45.40 | aidalgol | Oops! Wrong channel. :S |
| 09:45.42 | folivora | lemme try |
| 09:45.46 | jaakkos | did you select /dev/sys instead of /dev/sys1? |
| 09:45.56 | jaakkos | sorry - i meant vice versa. |
| 09:46.07 | jaakkos | since /dev/sys is probably what you want |
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| 09:46.56 | folivora | jaakkos: the problem is this: dpkg-reconfigure grup-pc -> Package `grup-pc' is not installed and no info is available |
| 09:47.05 | folivora | :) |
| 09:47.11 | jaakkos | yeah kind of guessed :( |
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| 09:47.56 | folivora | btw there is typ0, but I did dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc, same problem still |
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| 09:49.15 | aidalgol | I'm thinking of using testing on one of my machines. Since it's more of a rolling release than frozen, how should I update a Debian testing system: aptitude full-upgrade or aptitude safe-upgrade? |
| 09:49.18 | folivora | I had/have grub-legacy installed, I did face this problem when I was trying to install grub2. I am a bit confused about this problem, because usually installing of grub is easy. Sometimes you just need to do it manually but still... No help in google ect... |
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| 09:50.02 | folivora | aidalgol: safe-upgrade is usually more safer ... |
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| 09:50.04 | jaakkos | folivora: do you remember if you selected sys or sys1? |
| 09:50.28 | folivora | jaakkos: noup... Over 1 year has passed.. So really hard to say |
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| 09:51.20 | folivora | jaakkos: And the thing is, it doesn't matter what i write to device.map, it is still complaining about /dev/sys1, even I would write there (hd0) /dev/sda1 |
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| 09:51.45 | folivora | jaakkos: afterwards it's empty. (after trying to install grub-pc and grub2) |
| 09:52.05 | kural | Hi how can i find out what version of packages are included in wheezy - thanls |
| 09:52.45 | kural | thanks i mean. |
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| 09:53.40 | kural | tried joining #debian-next , which is invite only :( |
| 09:53.45 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:53.45 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for Debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/ in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 09:53.58 | aidalgol | folivora: I figured that. :P When should full-upgrade be used? |
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| 09:54.26 | jaakkos | folivora: hmm. could you try removing the grub2 stuff and reinstall them? |
| 09:54.42 | jaakkos | (before reinstalling, perhaps rewrite system.map) |
| 09:54.49 | valdyn | aidalgol: its more about when its needed than when it should be used |
| 09:55.08 | kural | dpkg : thanks. going to install debian first time. |
| 09:55.08 | dpkg | de nada, kural |
| 09:55.11 | jaakkos | folivora: perhaps remove --purge, don't know if that will work if it isn't installed. |
| 09:55.20 | valdyn | aidalgol: and when its needed youll know that you have to expect breakage more often and be more careful in general |
| 09:55.31 | aidalgol | valdyn: ah |
| 09:55.38 | folivora | jaakkos: grub-pc + grub2 are partially installed |
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| 09:55.53 | valdyn | aidalgol: aptitude will show packages being kept back |
| 09:55.57 | kural | dpkg : So first 2 DVD image would be sufficient to be up running ( |
| 09:55.57 | dpkg | kural: i don't know |
| 09:56.10 | aidalgol | Oh crud... I've using aptitude full-upgrade on my stable systems for security updates and minor releases. |
| 09:56.40 | valdyn | aidalgol: chances are that full-upgrade can upgrade those packages too, but due to the nature of testing it may be that even full-upgrade cannot upgrade everything |
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| 09:57.02 | aidalgol | valdyn: Ah, so on stable there's probably not much of a difference. |
| 09:57.17 | aidalgol | *? |
| 09:57.19 | valdyn | aidalgol: yea, on stable there is usually no difference |
| 09:57.27 | kural | what has been experience of folks out here with running ati crossfire |
| 09:57.32 | valdyn | aidalgol: since full-upgrade is not usually required |
| 09:57.42 | folivora | jaakkos: ok, i did purge those, but same thing. When grub-legacy is trying to update menu.lst, it complains that grub-probe can't find /dev/sys1 |
| 09:58.22 | valdyn | aidalgol: or technically, full-upgrade is allowed to change the state of packages - that means new packages may be installed as dependencies or packages might even be removed |
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| 09:58.58 | x42 | Hi there. How do i execute a comman on a different tty? |
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| 09:59.17 | kural | dpkg : http://packages.debian.org/testing/ would be wheezy pkgs then ? |
| 09:59.18 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, kural |
| 09:59.32 | kural | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:59.51 | x42 | oh i hate the ubuntu forum ... you have to be logged in to read anything ... #fail |
| 10:00.17 | mosno | x42, that's not true |
| 10:00.23 | x42 | not? |
| 10:00.28 | x42 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=437607 |
| 10:00.29 | cahoot | foremost it's off topic here |
| 10:00.31 | valdyn | aidalgol: stable point releases might require full-upgrade though |
| 10:00.38 | x42 | ok sorry |
| 10:00.39 | mosno | yes, offtopic too |
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| 10:04.05 | optraz | who is iceweasel version in wheezy? |
| 10:04.22 | optraz | what |
| 10:04.25 | mosno | optraz, http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 10:04.54 | valdyn | optraz: mozilla.debian.net if you need specific (new) versions |
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| 10:05.08 | optraz | ok, 3.5.19 |
| 10:05.09 | optraz | that's old.. |
| 10:05.17 | optraz | thanks mosno |
| 10:05.43 | optraz | google plus dont support that unfortutnately :) |
| 10:06.31 | mosno | optraz, so use valdyn's link. just beware that versions from that repo can lag behind upstream |
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| 10:07.42 | optraz | looking. |
| 10:08.10 | mosno | optraz, or if you're on i386 distro just use upstream (but things like themes and printing may not work) |
| 10:09.06 | optraz | im usign wheezy 64bit architeccture.. |
| 10:09.15 | optraz | also, in that page, only version 3.6 |
| 10:09.32 | optraz | not much different.. i was thinking it has like version 4 or better 5. |
| 10:10.37 | babilen | optraz: Huh? You can get also those versions from there -- http://glandium.org/blog/?p=2115 |
| 10:11.56 | wols_ | babilen: he probably doesn't understand what "release" means |
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| 10:12.25 | babilen | wols_: Yeah, the blog post should explain it |
| 10:13.17 | optraz | ok |
| 10:13.20 | optraz | release :-) |
| 10:13.29 | optraz | wording and interpretation is different. |
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| 10:14.48 | optraz | im selecting wheezy (i am using wheezy), and iceaweasel and version release |
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| 10:14.53 | optraz | it gaves me deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-release |
| 10:14.57 | optraz | why squeeze? |
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| 10:15.34 | wols_ | optraz: cause you didn't select "testing? |
| 10:16.00 | optraz | i did... |
| 10:16.18 | wols_ | ah. maybe it has the same archive for both. and: this will give you iceweasel 5 |
| 10:16.19 | mosno | same thing for me, optraz |
| 10:16.28 | babilen | optraz: You can probably also pull it from sid, IIRC 5.0 has just been uploaded |
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| 10:16.45 | babilen | optraz: But what is wrong with the squeeze-backport? Is it not working? |
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| 10:18.29 | optraz | nothing is wrong. just being cautious. |
| 10:19.30 | optraz | by the way, im added iceaweasel.list into sources.list.d |
| 10:19.36 | optraz | and importing the gpg key as the page said. |
| 10:19.45 | optraz | and apt-get update goes fine. |
| 10:20.48 | frikinz | ah iceweasel 6 in experimental |
| 10:20.54 | optraz | lovely.. |
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| 10:22.54 | optraz | ok, im on iceweasel 5 now |
| 10:22.55 | optraz | lovely |
| 10:23.11 | babilen | great :) |
| 10:24.03 | optraz | google+ just refused to run on ice version 3.5.19 |
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| 10:26.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | optraz: bit anoying that. espeically since the settings page (to tell it to stop spamming me) is a page that refuses to load... |
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| 10:27.25 | optraz | Kamping_Kaiser: hehe. yea. i was on stable and 3d driver was working.. however old software in stable and that i change to testing.. |
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| 10:31.45 | lancelot_of | hi all, i get in kernel SIOCGIFADDR: Cannot assign requested address but wifi is working good. What does it mean?Hw to fix? |
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| 10:36.15 | Kharec | [A |
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| 10:48.07 | giantkiar | hi there |
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| 11:16.05 | fourlastor | hello everyone, i'm trying to install debian testing from business card cd but everytime it pops out "the bzcat is not available on the system" while installing the base system, is it a known bug or am i doing anything wrong? |
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| 11:17.22 | zappal | fourlastor: it could be a bug. |
| 11:19.40 | fourlastor | zappal, how can i install it? any suggestion? i've tried to choose a different mirror (i'm italian, so first i used the italian mirror, then the US one) or a different distribution (i have tried the testing and sid one) but it didn't change anything |
| 11:19.46 | daemonkeeper | fourlastor: While I don't contradict to what zappal said, there are few reasons to use the testing snapshots. Their purpose is not (primarily) to install Wheezy, but to test the debian-installer installing Wheezy. |
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| 11:20.09 | nkuttler | fourlastor: yeah, get a stable installer and upgrade later |
| 11:20.19 | daemonkeeper | fourlastor: That said, if you want to go to Wheezy, please go with Stable and do a dist-upgrade |
| 11:21.13 | fourlastor | daemonkeeper, nkuttler, usually when i do that the system stop working, plus everywhere is written "it is better to do a clean install of a distribution instead updating the old one" |
| 11:21.26 | daemonkeeper | fourlastor: Well, we're not using windows here. |
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| 11:22.12 | fourlastor | daemonkeeper, i was talking about debian, not windows, usually when i change sources.list to point to a new distribution it updates and then the next reboot won't work well |
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| 11:22.56 | daemonkeeper | fourlastor: Of course a dist-upgrade won't recover from /your/ faults, and please don't use testing unless you know what you are doing. However Debian's package management is specially designed to be able to do live upgrades. |
| 11:22.59 | wols_ | fourlastor: what you said about "plus everywhere it is written" is pure BS |
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| 11:23.14 | yudi1 | does sqeeze use GRUB or GRUB2? |
| 11:23.19 | wols_ | it might be true for other distros, but definitely not debian |
| 11:23.21 | wols_ | yudi1: grub2 |
| 11:23.21 | daemonkeeper | yudi1: Grub2. |
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| 11:25.19 | dedbef | grub2! |
| 11:25.44 | daemonkeeper | grub 1.98 :p |
| 11:25.45 | yudi1 | daemonkeeper: wols_: that means when installing it in a LVM+LUKS config, /boot can be in the LVM? I heard GRUB 2 load the OS that's on LVM. Is this right? |
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| 11:26.26 | fourlastor | well, i'll try, clean install of stable, upgrade to testing, right? |
| 11:26.27 | daemonkeeper | yudi1: Yes. I'm using a setup with a LVM / (no /boot here). |
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| 11:26.41 | daemonkeeper | fourlastor: Exactly. |
| 11:26.52 | daemonkeeper | dpkg: tell fourlastor about squeeze->wheezy |
| 11:27.24 | yudi1 | daemonkeeper: is it LVM+LUKS or just LVM? |
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| 11:27.52 | daemonkeeper | I just use LVM, but the LUKS is not the crucial point, as this only requires LUKS support in the initrd. |
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| 11:30.23 | yudi1 | daemonkeeper: my existing setup with Fedora has /boot outside the LVM and the LVM container is encrypted. so with GRUB2 I can move the /boot to the LVM, but it still has to be on a separate LV. right? |
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| 11:31.14 | yudi1 | is Debian using GNOME 2 or 3? |
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| 11:31.34 | daemonkeeper | yudi1: Yes. /boot needs to be separated from the LUKS because it is needed to read the kernel binary. |
| 11:31.43 | daemonkeeper | Gnome 2 |
| 11:32.17 | daemonkeeper | Don't confuse LVM with LUKS. Those are not related technologies. |
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| 11:33.27 | yudi1 | daemonkeeper: I am not, but thanks -good to know that Debian is using GRUB2, not sure why Fedora is still using legacy GRUB! |
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| 11:34.05 | daemonkeeper | Well, its not such a big issue to have a traditional /boot. |
| 11:36.17 | yudi1 | daemonkeeper: well with GPT it's not, with MBR and multi boot with windows it can be a headache. Now with /boot in the LVM saves one more Primary partition. |
| 11:36.55 | daemonkeeper | With LVM you need exactly one partition (or none, even) |
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| 11:39.52 | jelly-home | yudi1: there's nothing wrong with grub-legacy, it does a small numbers of things and it does them well |
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| 11:42.12 | ArdRigh | i am not having much luck with my mail setup so far |
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| 11:43.12 | yudi1 | daemonkeeper: agreed, but I use windows OSs in other partitions. thats why I was curious. thanks for your help |
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| 11:43.54 | wols_ | ArdRigh: http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc |
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| 11:44.48 | yudi1 | is there a defined release cycle for debian? |
| 11:45.42 | acemi | yes, it's released when it's ready |
| 11:45.53 | wols_ | no. in practice there is a new release approximately every 2 years |
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| 11:46.15 | wols_ | but no RC bugs is far more important that a release date |
| 11:46.19 | ArdRigh | I have an error in my Dovecot mail log where it says the password provided does not match the expected scheme |
| 11:46.30 | Delf | Why is the WINS server not updated? Some clients resolve to old ip#, some are up to date. What could be causing this. |
| 11:46.35 | ArdRigh | what's a good way to check what scheme Dovecot _is_ expecting/ |
| 11:46.37 | ArdRigh | ? |
| 11:48.29 | yudi1 | wols_: agree with you, some distros move too fast. while using other distros I came across bugs that should have been fixed before the final release |
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| 11:51.30 | Carnage | whats the easiest way to setup a global authorised_keys file? |
| 11:51.54 | Carnage | -> I want to be able to define a list of keys which can log into any user account on the system |
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| 11:56.21 | rswarbrick | Hi! Can anyone tell me what package is responsible for nautilus thumbnails (for image files like .png etc)? I seem to have broken mine and can't work out what's missing... |
| 11:56.41 | rswarbrick | (I've just asked a similar question in #gnome, but haven't had any response) |
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| 11:59.11 | JasonWoof | woh, iceweasel 5! what happened to 4? |
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| 11:59.24 | Carnage | it melted... |
| 11:59.45 | a9_ | har |
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| 11:59.50 | giantkiar | hi |
| 12:00.14 | Bushmills | ArdRigh: "List of supported schemes is in: http://wiki.dovecot.org/Authentication" . which one you use you can see in your dovecot.conf |
| 12:00.48 | a9_ | say im browsing the internet with links2 |
| 12:01.06 | Bushmills | "i'm browsing the internet with links2". and now? |
| 12:01.07 | a9_ | how would i paste a snippet into vim |
| 12:02.03 | a9_ | a text snippet from links2 into vim in a streamlined fashion |
| 12:02.16 | Bushmills | shift-left click drag mouse in links2, then move to vim and mouse middle |
| 12:02.17 | a9_ | ideally I could time stamp it |
| 12:02.32 | a9_ | i have no mouse |
| 12:03.21 | rswarbrick | Save the file then edit it? |
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| 12:04.14 | a9_ | maybe |
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| 12:04.27 | a9_ | I have to take lots of notes however |
| 12:04.28 | babilen | rswarbrick: You can use screen to do that. http://web.mit.edu/gnu/doc/html/screen_11.html |
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| 12:04.35 | Bushmills | connect a mouse? |
| 12:04.59 | rswarbrick | babilen, I take it that was for a9_ ? |
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| 12:05.31 | babilen | rswarbrick: Yes, sure. Please forgive me :) |
| 12:05.39 | rswarbrick | :-) |
| 12:05.44 | a9_ | thanks man |
| 12:06.04 | babilen | a9_: Seen that about screen? Can't you just use a mouse? What kind of box are we talking about here? Why don't you have a mouse? |
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| 12:07.09 | a9_ | netbook |
| 12:07.12 | a9_ | right now |
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| 12:08.30 | a9_ | trying to do it without a mouse |
| 12:08.30 | a9_ | in reality i could use one |
| 12:08.46 | Bushmills | netbooks have touchpads |
| 12:09.02 | Bushmills | middle button may be a bit tricky sometimes |
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| 12:09.22 | a9_ | yeah its slow and awkward |
| 12:09.28 | a9_ | trying to be efficient |
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| 12:10.50 | Bushmills | links2 -dump the pages, then read into editor |
| 12:12.09 | a9_ | i think screen solves my problem |
| 12:12.11 | a9_ | thank you |
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| 12:14.36 | a9_ | holy shit this is so badass |
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| 12:16.44 | babilen | a9_: heh :) |
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| 12:17.25 | nkadun | who can tell the price of DELL XPS 15 in your countries? It's 8499RMB in China |
| 12:17.49 | nkadun | I think it may be cheaper there.. |
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| 12:18.06 | babilen | nkadun: This is clearly not a Debian related problem and you can easily search for that information yourself. |
| 12:18.48 | Python | wow |
| 12:18.52 | Python | *.net *.split |
| 12:19.11 | Python | whats that *.net *.split invasion |
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| 12:19.32 | babilen | Python: A netsplit -- nothing to worry about. |
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| 12:20.58 | dpkg | [netsplit] A deliberate disconnection between at least two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it is preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated). |
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| 12:29.21 | lancelot_of | my X on intel wheezy driver freezes with this line in Xorg.0.log.old: [ 23686.690] (EE) intel(0): [DRI2] DRI2SwapComplete: bad drawable and with the following crashes rebooting X: http://paste.debian.net/123067/. I MUST solve or workaround 'cause this way i cannot leave processes running for work!Please Help!I know it's a driver bug but...is there any workaround for the moment? |
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| 12:30.49 | wols_ | lancelot_of: http://intellinuxgraphics.org/download.html |
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| 12:32.32 | lancelot_of | wols_, is that the same 2.15 version of wheezy? |
| 12:33.35 | wols_ | lancelot_of: it's a development version from a git repository |
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| 12:34.28 | lancelot_of | wols_, should i compile them? |
| 12:35.23 | lancelot_of | wols git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel returns file or directory not found |
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| 12:36.28 | wols_ | lancelot_of: and you tried to use this with what? |
| 12:37.25 | lancelot_of | wols_, i run it in terminal |
| 12:37.42 | wols_ | with what command line? |
| 12:38.42 | lancelot_of | wols_, none, which should i use? |
| 12:39.20 | wols_ | the "git://" part is a strong hint, don't you agree? but if you don't understand what that means, I kinda doubt you can compile the intel drivers from scratch |
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| 12:42.09 | lancelot_of | wols_, i guess i should use git, but i've never used it and it seems to me it's not a crime. Anyway i'll read man git and the intel guide. Thanks anyway for your lightening Nobel lecture |
| 12:42.32 | djura-san | o/ |
| 12:42.59 | wols_ | no it's not a crime. but not reading "git" and making the association means that it's unlikely you know how to compile anything from source |
| 12:43.24 | wols_ | heck. simply using a url and pasting it into a terminal is troublesome |
| 12:43.33 | wols_ | *not making |
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| 12:44.30 | lancelot_of | maybe, so i was simply lucky compiling a lot of things, all well done, without knowing anything about git |
| 12:44.36 | laughzilla | this is weird ... my IMAP is running on my Debian 6 vps ... i can successfully telnet to it and get the response that says it's running, but when i try to "Test IMAP Config" on the installer page, it tells me that IMAP is NOT OK. anyone know what might be wrong / how to fix it? |
| 12:44.53 | laughzilla | re: installer page for Roundcube email. |
| 12:46.16 | abrotman | it may have the wrong "inbox" configuration |
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| 12:47.50 | wols_ | laughzilla: have you tried to login to it? |
| 12:47.59 | wols_ | with telnet I mean |
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| 12:48.36 | laughzilla | wols_ yes |
| 12:49.04 | laughzilla | and it gave me this reply: * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UIDPLUS CHILDREN NAMESPACE THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT THREAD=REFERENCES SORT QUOTA IDLE ACL ACL2=UNION STARTTLS] Courier-IMAP ready. Copyright 1998-2011 Double Precision, Inc. See COPYING for distribution information. |
| 12:49.04 | laughzilla | Connection closed by foreign host. |
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| 12:50.32 | wols_ | why did it close connection? didn't you create your maildir? |
| 12:50.52 | wols_ | suspects abrotman is right |
| 12:51.01 | laughzilla | yes, i did create my mail directories. from what i see on http://www.courier-mta.org/imap/tutorial.setup.html -- that is a reply saying that my IMAP is running properly. but i don't know why it closed the connection. |
| 12:51.10 | laughzilla | oh i see |
| 12:51.20 | wols_ | it's not supposed to close the connection. check your courier logs |
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| 12:51.49 | laughzilla | yes i'm looking now for my courier logs and for where i tell it to look for the mail directories |
| 12:52.36 | wols_ | laughzilla: how did you create your maildir? |
| 12:53.05 | laughzilla | wols_ following the instructions on http://www.goodcleanemail.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=57:how-to-copy-vpopmail-accounts-from-one-server-to-another-&catid=35:vpopmail&Itemid=41 |
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| 12:53.49 | wols_ | laughzilla: vpopmail is not courier. you didn't create your maildir |
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| 12:54.17 | laughzilla | wols_ i created the maildirs for vpopusers |
| 12:54.47 | wols_ | laughzilla: read what I wrote |
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| 12:55.02 | laughzilla | yes i read that |
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| 12:55.11 | Kuba | hey |
| 12:55.53 | laughzilla | wols_ am i supposed to make some kind of symbolic link to a courier directory in order for it to read my vpopusers mail directories? |
| 12:56.10 | abrotman | wtf |
| 12:56.12 | wols_ | laughzilla: no. where are your mails right now? |
| 12:56.34 | wols_ | laughzilla: and in what format? (note: maildir is a special file and directory format name) |
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| 12:57.07 | laughzilla | wols_ they are in: /home/vpopmail/domains/domain.tld/user/Maildir |
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| 12:57.27 | wols_ | and courier knows about this? |
| 12:57.30 | Python | hi |
| 12:57.36 | Python | how to check my mesa version ? |
| 12:57.42 | laughzilla | and i don't know what format they are in other than they are in whatever format vpopmail / vpopusers mail directories are in. |
| 12:57.44 | wols_ | Python: glxinfo |
| 12:57.47 | abrotman | !tell Python about version |
| 12:57.59 | abrotman | laughzilla: that's not what he asked .. |
| 12:58.09 | laughzilla | yes wols_ i am trying to find out where i tell courier about this. |
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| 12:58.40 | wols_ | laughzilla: by default, debian courier checks in ~/MailDir (dunno about the exact directory name, could be lowercase or such) |
| 12:58.42 | laughzilla | something like this maybe: /etc/courier/imapd.cnf |
| 12:59.07 | wols_ | laughzilla: have you set up courier for virtual users? |
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| 12:59.47 | wols_ | cause your old vpopmail seems to use virtual users |
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| 13:00.05 | laughzilla | wols_ yes i use virtual users |
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| 13:00.16 | MarconM | how i configure my eth0 on debian instalation |
| 13:00.19 | wols_ | well, courier by default doesn't |
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| 13:00.30 | wols_ | MarconM: easiest is "man interfaces" |
| 13:00.45 | wols_ | MarconM: and then edit /etc/network/interfaces the way you want it |
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| 13:00.53 | MarconM | wols_: i cant |
| 13:01.07 | MarconM | coz dont exist this file |
| 13:01.23 | laughzilla | ok wols_ and abrotman thanks and i'll keep looking for the solution in the courier files |
| 13:01.23 | wols_ | MarconM: dpkg -l |grep libc6 |
| 13:01.41 | wols_ | laughzilla: I suggest you look for a howto. e.g. http://www.google.com/search?q=courier+imap+virtual+users |
| 13:01.52 | MarconM | wols_: ok ... i will explain again =] |
| 13:01.53 | laughzilla | ok thx for that :) |
| 13:01.53 | abrotman | maybe add a little "debian" in there |
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| 13:02.32 | wols_ | abrotman: courier is straight forward in debian. unlike other things like postfix :) |
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| 13:02.47 | abrotman | postfix is fine! you know, with that chroot thing |
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| 13:03.02 | abrotman | oh wait, i don't think it's chrooted anymore |
| 13:03.07 | MarconM | wols_: i am installing the debian squeeze, but it take de dhcp configuration, but here i dont have dhcp server, i have to configure manualy, but where i do that .. |
| 13:03.10 | wols_ | abrotman: ever asked #postfix about the chroot thing? they have some very choice words... |
| 13:03.23 | wols_ | it isn't? I still have do to some things to make lmtp work afaik |
| 13:03.33 | abrotman | MarconM: you would still have a /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 13:03.41 | abrotman | wols_: i thought not .. i could be wrong .. |
| 13:04.02 | MarconM | abrotman: yes ... i know ... but dont have yet |
| 13:04.04 | wols_ | MarconM: every debian creates a /etc/network/interfaces files. if you don't, your debian install went very very wrong. it might only have lo in it, but the file ist there. no exception |
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| 13:04.15 | wols_ | MarconM: are you using a netinst installer? |
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| 13:04.19 | MarconM | wols_: yes |
| 13:04.26 | abrotman | MarconM: you're still in the installer? |
| 13:04.32 | MarconM | yes |
| 13:04.32 | wols_ | MarconM: then you don't need network access while installing. ignore it |
| 13:04.53 | abrotman | MarconM: if you let it try to do DHCP, it will fail, then ask you if you want to set it up manually .. usually |
| 13:04.55 | MarconM | wols_: but the debian net install make donwload the all the packages |
| 13:05.01 | MarconM | without internet it cant |
| 13:05.03 | wols_ | MarconM: no need |
| 13:05.24 | gchnha | I installed chrome and every time I type aptitude update, apt try update chrome, how to avoid this? |
| 13:05.28 | wols_ | MarconM: you get a fully working debian installation without any network access. and after the installation there will be a /etc/network/interfaces you can configure |
| 13:05.36 | MarconM | hunm |
| 13:05.39 | wols_ | !tell gchnha about bat |
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| 13:05.57 | MarconM | wols_: ok ... so how i install all the packages later the installation |
| 13:06.16 | MarconM | the same packages that it will install if had a internet connection |
| 13:06.33 | MarconM | apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 13:06.40 | wols_ | MarconM: most people do a "apt-get install <stuff" or simply run "aptitude" |
| 13:07.03 | gchnha | wolfric: ?? |
| 13:07.04 | wols_ | MarconM: you can also run "tasksel". that is exactly what the debian isntaller runs at the end where you can install packages. |
| 13:07.19 | gchnha | any one help me? |
| 13:07.20 | babilen | gchnha: Read the private message dpkg just sent you. |
| 13:07.20 | MarconM | hunm |
| 13:07.34 | wols_ | MarconM: install debian, and if you are done we will help you with configuring your network and help you with any apt/tasksel problems you might have, ok? |
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| 13:07.46 | gchnha | babilen: oh..... sorry I didn't see it |
| 13:07.49 | MarconM | wols_: wich package i have to install for me to configure the eth0 in graphic mode |
| 13:08.07 | MarconM | wols_: thanks |
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| 13:08.11 | MarconM | =] |
| 13:08.32 | wols_ | MarconM: some network-manager shit but to do that you need a working network in the first place. see the chicken/egg problem there? just use /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:08.34 | babilen | gchnha: We basically need a bit more information to be able to help you. |
| 13:08.40 | MarconM | ok |
| 13:08.52 | MarconM | good bye windows and hello debian |
| 13:08.56 | MarconM | lol |
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| 13:09.01 | wols_ | MarconM: eth0 is a static interface for a desktop, right? if so, no need for network manager |
| 13:09.03 | laughzilla | wols_ and abrotman i managed to telnet in to the imap port by changing "localhost" to my FQDN in my /etc/courier/imapd.cnf ... though my Roundcube Installer Test IMAP config is still NOT OK. but at least the telnet is not kicking me out. |
| 13:09.08 | MarconM | yes |
| 13:09.17 | gchnha | babilen: ok |
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| 13:09.23 | abrotman | laughzilla: telnet is not a vlaid test |
| 13:09.26 | abrotman | valid |
| 13:09.40 | wols_ | abrotman: depends what imap commands he runs in telnet :) |
| 13:09.56 | abrotman | AFAICT .. he's not running any command .. just verifying the port is listening |
| 13:10.15 | MarconM | wols_: for now . i am installing the debian net install on my virtual box for test |
| 13:10.19 | wols_ | you're right. hence I qualified that it depends on his commands |
| 13:10.23 | MarconM | but later i ll install on my notebook |
| 13:10.28 | wols_ | laughzilla: can you successfully login with your user? |
| 13:11.07 | wols_ | MarconM: under virtualbox, dhcp works fine last I checked. so you did something wrong there I guess |
| 13:11.15 | wols_ | laughzilla: login via telnet I mean |
| 13:11.25 | MarconM | wols_: no no ... on virtual box its works fine |
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| 13:11.45 | wols_ | MarconM: what network card(s) does your laptop have? |
| 13:11.59 | MarconM | wols_: i dont remember ... |
| 13:12.05 | MarconM | wait ... i go to see ok |
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| 13:12.37 | MarconM | wols_: its a DELL VOSTRO 3500 |
| 13:12.37 | wols_ | MarconM: do it before you start installing debian. it sucks if you have no OS capable of network access because you need firmware, wpasupplicant, etc |
| 13:12.53 | wols_ | poor you. that probably means broadcom. awful hardware |
| 13:12.59 | MarconM | it is intell |
| 13:13.12 | MarconM | wols_: i had ubuntu installed |
| 13:13.13 | wols_ | much better, but still needs firmware |
| 13:13.16 | MarconM | worked fine |
| 13:13.28 | wols_ | the firmware is not on the install disks. and neither is wpasupplicant |
| 13:13.39 | MarconM | hun |
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| 13:14.27 | MarconM | wols_: sorry for my bad english =D |
| 13:14.54 | laughzilla | wols_ yes i did successfully login via telnet -- without specifying my username or password |
| 13:15.07 | abrotman | the intel wired cards don't normally need firmware |
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| 13:15.19 | laughzilla | i have followed the instructions on http://qmailrocks.thibs.com/configure-courier.php to configure courier with vpopmail running with qmail. |
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| 13:16.26 | babilen | gchnha: Can you put that information online? Do you need help or additional instructions? |
| 13:16.45 | abrotman | wols_: are you crying yet? |
| 13:17.15 | ffmpeg1 | If I want to change the resolution of a video with ffmpeg, I should do this, right? [ffmpeg -i filename.mov -s hd720] Is this the correct format? |
| 13:17.15 | wols_ | abrotman: make it stop! please make it stop. my brain, it hurts! |
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| 13:19.04 | wols_ | laughzilla: do I want to know why someone uses vpopmail and courier-imap at the same time? |
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| 13:20.20 | wols_ | laughzilla: take a long and careful look at apt-cache show courier-pop |
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| 13:23.58 | scx | is it possible to boot Debian ARM from USB memory or Flash Card (SD Card)? |
| 13:24.10 | nsadmin | is there an mp3 toolish thingy I can use to edit the mp3 metadata? |
| 13:24.20 | abrotman | there are lots |
| 13:24.22 | scx | i found tutorials how to boot Debian x86 from USB |
| 13:24.34 | abrotman | scx: probably better to ask #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:24.44 | scx | but they are using: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz |
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| 13:24.57 | scx | i cant find hd-media/boot.img.gz for ARM/ARMEL |
| 13:25.05 | scx | abrotman: ok, thx |
| 13:25.07 | nsadmin | you don't want to write to flash memory (if that's what it is) so often,,, but booting is reading so you should be ok for awhile |
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| 13:25.24 | abrotman | nsadmin: he's asking about the installer |
| 13:25.38 | nsadmin | oh, he is? nevermind |
| 13:26.13 | laughzilla | wols_ i'm no MTA expert, i just installed (with help) the things that it says on that qmailrocks site in order to get my emails and email lists up and running on my new debian vps |
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| 13:26.30 | abrotman | first mistake .. qmail doesn't rock |
| 13:26.31 | abrotman | hides |
| 13:26.36 | laughzilla | so i don't know why courier and vpopmail should or should not be running together, but i know it works great on another server i have. |
| 13:26.40 | nsadmin | but the hd-media thing, I remember that as something I built as part of building the debian installer (that I never got working) |
| 13:26.45 | laughzilla | abrotman - well when it works it's great :) |
| 13:26.51 | abrotman | yay |
| 13:27.21 | wols_ | laughzilla: I'm no email expert either, and I don't run any of the software in question (qmail, courier, vpopmail) but I know a few things bout them still: courier does virtual domans and uesrs just fine without anything else, no vpopmail needed at all. it also does pop3 just fine |
| 13:27.28 | laughzilla | wols_ thanks i'll go look for apt-cache and courier-pop |
| 13:27.35 | wols_ | so imho this website you linked is utter bullshit, period |
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| 13:28.02 | abrotman | laughzilla: FWIW, if it were me, i'd be using courier + postfix .. or maybe dovecot+postfix |
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| 13:28.12 | nsadmin | with this mp3 thing, what kind of thing am I looking for if I want to edit mp3 titles? |
| 13:28.15 | abrotman | do you really want pop3 access |
| 13:28.18 | wols_ | laughzilla: and while you can use qmail if you really need to, it's simply a lot of (unnecessary) pain. just use exim or postfix and the imap server of your choice (as long as it's not uw-imap) |
| 13:28.23 | abrotman | nsadmin: CLI or GUI? |
| 13:28.34 | nsadmin | either |
| 13:28.38 | abrotman | gnome-ish? |
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| 13:28.58 | abrotman | judd: info exfalso --release squeeze |
| 13:28.59 | judd | Package exfalso (sound, optional) in squeeze/i386: audio tag editor for GTK+. Version: 2.2.1-1; Size: 585.9k; Installed: 2488k; Homepage: http://code.google.com/p/quodlibet/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/exfalso |
| 13:29.04 | nsadmin | well I'm running kde... I guess the gnome libs would be pulled in in a gnomish case |
| 13:29.17 | abrotman | that's really a GTK app, not so much gnome at all |
| 13:29.18 | wols_ | laughzilla: do you have an existing mail setup you need to convert or is this a totally new thing? |
| 13:29.28 | laughzilla | wols_ you're probably right but some of my email lists are 20,000+ subscribers, and last time i used postfix for sending lists, it was slow and awful. |
| 13:29.49 | laughzilla | wols_ this is a migration of an existing setup i've had since 2003. |
| 13:29.49 | nsadmin | hmm. probably I have gtk libs as deps of something |
| 13:30.09 | abrotman | nsadmin: there's also quodlibet, but i think that's more gnome-ish |
| 13:30.44 | nsadmin | do you have a preference and if so what dirves it |
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| 13:30.48 | simonlnu | judd! |
| 13:30.49 | nsadmin | drives |
| 13:30.59 | abrotman | laughzilla: that may have been your mailing list, not your MTA |
| 13:31.01 | wols_ | laughzilla: the amount of users is not important, the amount of mails per day is |
| 13:31.11 | abrotman | nsadmin: try exfalso .. see if it works, it's a simple app |
| 13:31.22 | nsadmin | ok |
| 13:31.23 | wols_ | abrotman: 2.5MB doesn't sound simple to me :P |
| 13:31.32 | abrotman | wols_: it's python-gtk :) |
| 13:31.37 | simonlnu | eew, pop3 |
| 13:31.43 | nsadmin | I just have to put numbers in the titles so it sorts them in my android |
| 13:31.52 | wols_ | wow, even worse. how does it manage to use megabytes of storage then? |
| 13:32.07 | abrotman | wols_: it's python-gtk :) |
| 13:32.13 | simonlnu | haha |
| 13:32.26 | wols_ | python and gtk are their own packages... so it can't use up that much diskspace! |
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| 13:32.31 | abrotman | wols_: i think it also has some abililty to get from cddba or whatever that thing is called |
| 13:32.43 | Python | lawl |
| 13:32.46 | simonlnu | cdbs :P |
| 13:32.47 | Python | I'm my own package |
| 13:33.08 | simonlnu | cdda or something... |
| 13:33.14 | wols_ | Python: you're just an oversized reptile. go back in your corner and nibble at your rodents |
| 13:33.53 | wols_ | abrotman: that would be handled by urllib2 or such. again a python internal module :P |
| 13:34.15 | abrotman | wols_: nah, it uses python-musicbrainz |
| 13:34.23 | abrotman | judd: depends exfalso --release squeeze |
| 13:34.24 | judd | Package exfalso -- depends: python (<< 2.7), python (>= 2.5), python-support (>= 0.90.0), python-mutagen (>= 1.14), python-gtk2 (>= 2.10). |
| 13:34.35 | nsadmin | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/h2HGTrns hmm. let;s try cli |
| 13:34.49 | simonlnu | who's Cli? |
| 13:34.56 | abrotman | nsadmin: uhm .. i have no idea how you did that .. i just installed it, it was like five packages |
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| 13:34.58 | simonlnu | :P |
| 13:35.02 | abrotman | it certainly doesn't need brasero |
| 13:35.17 | simonlnu | recommends = on; |
| 13:35.25 | nsadmin | probably |
| 13:35.39 | abrotman | try with -R ? |
| 13:35.54 | abrotman | Depends: python (<< 2.7), python (>= 2.5), python-support (>= 0.90.0), python-mutagen (>= 1.14), python-gtk2 (>= 2.10) |
| 13:35.54 | abrotman | Recommends: quodlibet-plugins |
| 13:35.54 | abrotman | Suggests: python-ctypes, libmodplug0c2 |
| 13:36.08 | abrotman | not really that much .. no idea how/why it's sucking in brasero |
| 13:36.12 | simonlnu | hmm |
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| 13:36.27 | wols_ | maybe it can burn audio cds |
| 13:36.30 | nsadmin | hmm. 2 pkgs/ |
| 13:36.37 | khadrin | trying to figure out why blkid is wrong about uuid and filesystem type: http://paste.ubuntu.com/645387/ |
| 13:36.37 | wols_ | abrotman: this thing more and more looks liek a kitchensink abrotman :P |
| 13:36.42 | abrotman | wols_: it's a tag editor! :) |
| 13:36.42 | khadrin | its not the cache file |
| 13:36.57 | abrotman | khadrin: you want #ubuntu |
| 13:37.01 | nsadmin | that;'s all I want it for anyway |
| 13:37.32 | prodigel | hi all. I'm trying to install an aolserver based app on my debian 6 machine, but when trying to start it it complains about nscache module missing. Searching on packages.debian.org I've found it, but it seems to be incompatible with with my debian version. Can I still install this package somehow? |
| 13:37.42 | abrotman | couldn't amarok do that ? |
| 13:37.45 | khadrin | abrotman, maybe, but it's actually a debian stable system that im trying to upgrade, i just happen to have booted from the ubuntu cd |
| 13:37.54 | khadrin | have the same problem in debian |
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| 13:39.04 | abrotman | khadrin: might it have something to do with the LVM setup? |
| 13:39.28 | abrotman | nsadmin: is that working for you ? |
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| 13:40.52 | khadrin | abrotman, hmm wasn't thinking about that since I know it's not and lvm partition |
| 13:41.00 | khadrin | let me see what lvm thinks of that partition |
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| 13:41.25 | abrotman | khadrin: your paste seems to indicate something thinks it's LVM |
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| 13:41.38 | khadrin | yea blkid |
| 13:41.39 | abrotman | unless i'm misreading that |
| 13:41.59 | khadrin | no you read right |
| 13:42.12 | karthick87 | Is it possible to get all the script name which runs during every startup? |
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| 13:42.27 | abrotman | karthick87: look in /etc/init.d/ ? |
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| 13:43.33 | karthick87 | It is not listed there.. |
| 13:43.38 | khadrin | abrotman, hah, pvremove did the trick, thanks! |
| 13:43.46 | karthick87 | I have added some scripts to run at startup but i forget the path. Is it possible to findout the path? |
| 13:43.56 | abrotman | khadrin: enjoy! |
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| 13:44.27 | laughzilla | wols_ exactly, my number of users and emails being sent and received per day was a problem on postfix (back in 2002). qmail and ezmlm (aka: qmailrocks) helped solve that problem with much faster delivery times. |
| 13:44.55 | abrotman | laughzilla: you should probably evaluate postfix again .. postfix was like 1yr old in 2002 :) |
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| 13:45.18 | abrotman | laughzilla: and you still didn't say which mailing list manager you were using wiht postfix |
| 13:45.28 | abrotman | oh wait, it was three years old in 2002 .. i think |
| 13:45.47 | abrotman | laughzilla: how many people are on the mailing lists? |
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| 13:48.58 | laughzilla | abrotman i believe i was using something called ecartis for my mailing lists with postfix |
| 13:49.27 | laughzilla | i have some 50,000 people on various mailing lists, at least half them go out daily |
| 13:50.06 | laughzilla | sometimes (About once a week) the mailing lists send out 50,000 emails a day. |
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| 13:57.05 | laughzilla | how can i try to log in a specific user with telnet? right now i'm just going in to the server by doing: telnet domain.tld 143 |
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| 13:58.38 | jhutchins_lt | laughzilla: telnet is not presenting a user name, you need to issue the imap commands to log in. |
| 13:58.42 | abrotman | laughzilla: google "imap telnet commands" ? |
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| 13:59.48 | laughzilla | thx |
| 14:01.33 | laughzilla | ok so when i telnet in and login to my specific user i get: login NO Error in IMAP command received by server. |
| 14:01.43 | laughzilla | so i still have a problem somewhere blocking the logins |
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| 14:17.18 | WormFood | does debian have a problem with USB mouses? I plug in my mouse, and it NEVER works under debian. The /dev/input/mice work with my other 2 mouses built into the computer (laptop), but not with the usb mouse. Anyone have a clue what is going on? |
| 14:18.03 | bremner | did any of you succeed in making google+ work with iceweasel? I fiddled a bit with useragent, but got bored. I'm finding it a bit ironic that Facebook is more browser friendly than google+. |
| 14:18.32 | WormFood | that isn't ironic, since they have their own browser they want people to use. |
| 14:19.21 | bremner | well, it doesn't only work with chrome. |
| 14:19.23 | dvs | WormFood: My USB mouse works fine. |
| 14:20.07 | WormFood | mine was working at one time too, but now it is not...it is not an X11 issue, since the mouse events are not being processed properly |
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| 14:21.06 | bremner | WormFood: at a wild guess, is it a thinkpad? |
| 14:21.26 | WormFood | of course...do you know of any other laptops with 2 mouses built in? :P |
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| 14:22.07 | bremner | WormFood: there is a problem on some thinkpads where it needs to be unplugged and battery removed to reset the embedded controller |
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| 14:22.16 | WormFood | it baffles me that it was working, then quit working....I can't place the times of it not working with anything else I did. |
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| 14:22.42 | WormFood | now that is a new one on me bremner...never heard of that before....however, it does work fine in Winblows |
| 14:22.44 | bremner | I had such a thinkpad, and it happened rarely enough that it took me time to track it down each time |
| 14:23.12 | WormFood | well this is very frustrating, because the mouse is sitting there, and I always grab it....but it never fuckin' works :( |
| 14:23.23 | WormFood | what model did you have? |
| 14:23.34 | WormFood | I have a T60p wide screen |
| 14:23.46 | bremner | I forget if it was the x40 or the x61s that did this. Yours sounds newer |
| 14:24.37 | WormFood | the X61 is newer |
| 14:25.01 | WormFood | the X40 is old (I had an old T30 that just died...great laptop) |
| 14:25.07 | jimcooncat | what's a simple to install/manage bulletin board, like phpbb only made with good code? |
| 14:25.29 | WormFood | the X4x/T4x was the last of the thinkpads made by IBM...everything after that is made by lenovo |
| 14:26.34 | WormFood | my ex-gf just bought a new thinkpad edge E40 laptop (despite the number, it is a new model)...it came preloaded with Linux |
| 14:27.46 | WormFood | bremner, I just need to pop out the main battery? Not the internal backup battery? (I really doubt it will "fix" the problem, but I'm willing to give it a shot) |
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| 14:28.06 | bremner | WormFood: just the external one |
| 14:28.07 | jimcooncat | Friend wants to run a members only forum, so I thought I'd pop squeeze onto a Linode and give him a basic setup. |
| 14:29.33 | jimcooncat | shoot, I gotta go, but I'll check back if there's any recommendations |
| 14:31.01 | abrotman | jimcooncat: supposedly phpbb3 is way better |
| 14:31.29 | WormFood | bremner, tried it...no help :( |
| 14:31.56 | bremner | WormFood: sorry, that's all I got. |
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| 14:31.59 | WormFood | abrotman, you have any ideas? |
| 14:32.07 | abrotman | jimcooncat: how bad can it be? they use it for forums.debian.net |
| 14:32.12 | abrotman | WormFood: who what? |
| 14:32.14 | WormFood | usb mouse isn't working |
| 14:32.37 | WormFood | internal mouses work fine....usb mouse isn't registering properly or something....it is not an X11 issue |
| 14:32.39 | abrotman | WormFood: if you boot with it in, does it work ? |
| 14:32.43 | WormFood | no |
| 14:32.51 | WormFood | boot with or without it, the same result |
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| 14:33.39 | abrotman | WormFood: tried with more than one mouse? |
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| 14:34.20 | WormFood | I don't think so |
| 14:34.32 | WormFood | but the mouse did work before under Linux. |
| 14:34.50 | WormFood | but I can drop another mouse on it real quick to check, but I have a feeling it will give me the same results |
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| 14:41.16 | WormFood | this is wacky....another usb mouse works fine |
| 14:41.29 | WormFood | and it works fine on Winblows....why wouldn't it work on Linux? |
| 14:41.47 | jhutchins_lt | WormFood: lenovo has been making IBM's thinkpads for a lot longer than you realize. The only thing that changed was the branding. |
| 14:41.48 | WormFood | it is not being assigned an entry in /dev/ automatically |
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| 14:42.08 | bremner | what does lsusb tell you? |
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| 14:42.39 | jhutchins_lt | WormFood: What brand of linux came on the E40? |
| 14:42.40 | WormFood | jhutchins_lt, more than just the branding changed. Read up on the deal between IBM and Lenovo, in relation to them selling their ThinkPad name |
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| 14:42.56 | WormFood | Ubuntu....it was setup pretty nice out of the box. I was impressed. |
| 14:43.19 | jhutchins_lt | WormFood: Direct from IBM? |
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| 14:43.43 | WormFood | the T4x was the last line designed by IBM...many people complain about the newer ones not being designed as sturdy |
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| 14:44.06 | WormFood | you're right...Lenovo has been making them for a long time....but to IBM specs....now Lenovo is making the specs |
| 14:44.10 | jhutchins_lt | WormFood: I worked in an office with dozens of thinkpads from '99 - 04 and they were all made by lenovo. |
| 14:44.33 | WormFood | yes....like you said...Lenovo has been making them for a long time...I know this |
| 14:44.54 | jaakkos | i feel like everything lenovo changes goes to worse though |
| 14:45.09 | jaakkos | i got my x220 last week |
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| 14:45.21 | WormFood | yes, I agree jaakkos, however, I still feel the Thinkpad series is the best you can get. |
| 14:45.33 | jhutchins_lt | I think it's the easiest to repair. |
| 14:45.42 | jaakkos | i can't say i'm not happy with it but my x60 was _perfect_ when i had it new |
| 14:45.47 | WormFood | jhutchins_lt, no, it was not directly from IBM...I'm in China ;) |
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| 14:46.03 | WormFood | I can get used X60s pretty cheap :D |
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| 14:46.15 | jaakkos | and it's still kicking |
| 14:46.40 | jaakkos | i just had some money and i need usb3 at work, and aes-ni in i7 is nice for full disk encryption |
| 14:46.41 | WormFood | my T30 lasted forever....thing went through hell....traveled 1/2 way around the world |
| 14:46.42 | rhin0 | i'm getting all kinds of hangups on a dell inspiron m5010 -- ubuntu -- cursor freezing -- network problems -- thinking of moving to debian -- anyone think I should |
| 14:47.18 | WormFood | rhin0, isn't the answer gonna be obvious from a *debian* channel? :P |
| 14:47.20 | jaakkos | WormFood: yeah, my x60 was with me in all sorts of trips |
| 14:47.41 | rhin0 | wormfood i'm just saying why should a cursor freeze up on ubuntu 11.04 -- -- will I expect better from debian |
| 14:47.58 | WormFood | my ex-gf's X30 just died in the last year....she took that thing with her everywhere too (got damaged on her return trip from europe) |
| 14:48.22 | WormFood | rhin0, I don't know why. There could be a lot of different reasons. |
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| 14:48.46 | WormFood | rhin0, you're welcome to try Debian, and give it a shot, and see how it acts for you. |
| 14:49.00 | rhin0 | will it take me ages and ages to configure compared to ubuntu |
| 14:49.38 | rhin0 | they just seem to have screwed up the desktop with effects hanging gnome -- unity etc -- even network failing now |
| 14:50.36 | WormFood | I'd suggest you ask for help with your specific problem in an #ubuntu channel |
| 14:51.09 | WormFood | I'd suspect if you install the same software and configure it the same way, that you'd have the same problem....but I don't know, I don't run ubuntu |
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| 14:52.13 | rhin0 | im going to try fedora |
| 14:52.23 | rhin0 | **$"R%" this |
| 14:52.27 | WormFood | bremner, abrotman...this mouse that does not work on Debian, works fine on Ubuntu....baffling |
| 14:52.36 | manchot | how to restore a debian installation to prestine state? |
| 14:52.42 | abrotman | WormFood: did you try another mouse? |
| 14:52.42 | WormFood | rhin0, try fedora and see what works for you. |
| 14:52.45 | abrotman | manchot: eh what? |
| 14:52.50 | WormFood | yes, another mouse works fine |
| 14:52.57 | manchot | the minimal, bootstrap state only with internet connections. abrotman |
| 14:53.04 | jaakkos | rhin0: you can disable unity from gdm when you login. see the bar at the bottom. |
| 14:53.07 | abrotman | manchot: you could uninstall packages ... |
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| 14:53.20 | rhin0 | i know jaakkos -- still it freezes -- still major problems all over the place |
| 14:53.23 | abrotman | ubuntu support belongs in #ubuntu |
| 14:53.39 | abrotman | rhin0: you can install Debian, it's quite lovely! |
| 14:53.40 | rhin0 | goes to fedora website to download --- just asking about debian here just wanting feedback -- thanks |
| 14:53.44 | WormFood | I've tried the "odd" mouse on my desktop and laptop (both debian), and it does not work....but it works under Knoppix (I just tried for a point of reference) |
| 14:53.47 | manchot | abrotman, I meant just the basic/mimial system with internet connections |
| 14:53.48 | kural | hi all, is there any kickstart like option for Debian ? |
| 14:53.55 | rhin0 | too similar to ubuntu having problems all over the place with it |
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| 14:53.55 | abrotman | !tell kural about fai |
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| 14:54.05 | abrotman | wtf was that? |
| 14:55.13 | kural | <abrotman> thanks for the pointer to fai |
| 14:55.14 | WormFood | the "logic" some people apply to their problems is humorous |
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| 14:55.48 | abrotman | WormFood: anyway .. make sure you didn't block the device with udev somehow |
| 14:55.54 | WormFood | why would this mouse not work on Debian, but work fine on other distros? |
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| 14:56.06 | crocket | I installed deibna on a virtual machine. |
| 14:56.16 | crocket | I want debian to start gdm on boot. |
| 14:56.18 | crocket | How can I do it? |
| 14:56.28 | WormFood | I can't imagine it would be blocked by mistake on 2 different installs, unless it is a default debian config |
| 14:57.15 | abrotman | crocket: aptitude install gdm xorg .. it should start on boot |
| 14:57.25 | abrotman | you probably want gdm3 .. but either will work |
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| 14:57.31 | crocket | abrotman, how xorg, too? |
| 14:57.39 | crocket | abrotman, why do I need to install xorg, too? |
| 14:57.45 | abrotman | do you not want to have X? |
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| 14:59.01 | WormFood | crocket, you clearly do not understand how things work in the big picture. X11 is your GUI groundwork...GDM starts X11 (xorg) for you. (it allows you to login to a graphical window, instead of using a text login) |
| 14:59.02 | kural | <abrotman> so if my server is on redhat flavour, i cannot fai is it ? |
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| 14:59.14 | abrotman | kural: no idea, never tried it |
| 14:59.37 | crocket | WormFood, When apt-get installs gdm, it would install xorg, automatically. |
| 15:00.01 | WormFood | I would expect gdm to depend on x11 (xorg) |
| 15:00.20 | WormFood | since it would be rather silly to have a graphical login to give you a console |
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| 15:01.23 | spaghetti | !ops suzy_ onjoin spamming - same as the guy neilss earlier |
| 15:01.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: spaghetti complains about: suzy_ onjoin spamming - same as the guy neilss earlier |
| 15:01.24 | crocket | ??? |
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| 15:01.37 | suzy_ | hi girls sexy show cam? http://webcams.de.nu |
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| 15:03.03 | abrotman | at least he didn't ban the bot this time :) |
| 15:03.17 | mrmist | abrotman: :p |
| 15:06.53 | manchot | how to delete all unnecessary packages and retain just the basic, bootstrap packages? |
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| 15:11.24 | manchot | W: GPG error: ..... The following signatures couldn't be verified |
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| 15:11.29 | manchot | how to fix this problem? |
| 15:11.34 | Big_Brother | i made a RAID5 yesterday with 4x 1.5tb drives (about 1.3TB)... it's finally done initializing- why is it only 1TB? |
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| 15:12.24 | jaakkos | Big_Brother: how does your /proc/mdstat look like? |
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| 15:12.38 | wizzr | does debian not have NTP support with a fresh install? |
| 15:12.40 | Big_Brother | jaakkos: the exact output? |
| 15:12.41 | abrotman | manchot: paste.debian.net .. show us the whole thing |
| 15:12.43 | wizzr | i have to install the ntp package? |
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| 15:12.52 | abrotman | wizzr: probably not .. aptitude install ntp |
| 15:12.55 | jaakkos | Big_Brother: you could pastebin it |
| 15:13.05 | danieldg | does debian's initrd require an extra parameter to run with root on LVM? |
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| 15:13.37 | venol | any body here ? |
| 15:14.06 | manchot | abrotman, pasted http://paste.debian.net/123083/ |
| 15:14.29 | abrotman | manchot: the *full* output |
| 15:14.30 | Big_Brother | jaakkos: http://pastebin.com/rKnfFZ4s |
| 15:14.41 | abrotman | manchot: the command you type and the output |
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| 15:14.59 | DelphiWorld | hello |
| 15:15.03 | manchot | abrotman, the command is simply apt-get update |
| 15:15.05 | jaakkos | Big_Brother: 2 of your drives are down |
| 15:15.06 | DelphiWorld | how do i locate a usb driver for my sound card ? |
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| 15:15.37 | jaakkos | Big_Brother: i don't think those (S) and (F) are good. I think (S) is spare, (F) probably faulty |
| 15:15.43 | Big_Brother | jaakkos: kidding me? |
| 15:15.44 | Big_Brother | D; |
| 15:15.44 | jaakkos | but i can't recall |
| 15:16.01 | jaakkos | Big_Brother: in _UU_, _ means down, U up. |
| 15:16.14 | abrotman | manchot: apt-get update; apt-get install debian-archive-keyring debian-keyring ; apt-get update |
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| 15:17.05 | jimcooncat | abrotman: thanks about phpbb3, I'll see what it can do |
| 15:17.11 | Big_Brother | jaakkos: but i *just* created the raid5 and there weren't any errors to begin with. |
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| 15:18.23 | jaakkos | Big_Brother: well what we see in mdstat is happening. (F) (actually failed, not faulty) should happen if you manually fail the drive (to remove it from array) or if the hardware really dies |
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| 15:18.48 | Big_Brother | ugh |
| 15:18.50 | jaakkos | i can't recall if you can unfail it with mdadm, but perhaps you should just reinsert it into the array |
| 15:19.00 | DelphiWorld | hug abrotman |
| 15:19.01 | jaakkos | then, i think you have to remove the spare status from sdd1 |
| 15:19.08 | abrotman | hi |
| 15:19.17 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: ;) |
| 15:19.19 | venol | Excusme, I have problem with mailgraph to show graph from mail server postfix |
| 15:19.24 | jaakkos | Big_Brother: raid.wiki.kernel.org has been very informative IMO |
| 15:19.33 | venol | How I can see the graph immediately if my server receive message. I've set mailgraph start with --verbose. And I know rrd file was updated. But, why I can't see the graph? Thanks for your help |
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| 15:20.09 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: i think i would have to get some police to moderate this autoroute ;) |
| 15:20.17 | jaakkos | Big_Brother: i would guess you created the array with commands you didn't actually mean |
| 15:20.26 | Big_Brother | jaakkos: imma have a down right fit if the drive actually failed. |
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| 15:20.39 | Big_Brother | jaakkos: well... i didn't add anything extra though |
| 15:20.42 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: huh? |
| 15:20.49 | Big_Brother | it was a plain --create function |
| 15:20.59 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: just a joke about #debian that have lot of traffic :D |
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| 15:21.37 | abrotman | yeah .. that's a good thing |
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| 15:22.16 | Big_Brother | jaakkos: looking back it was: mdadm --create --level=5 --raid-devices=4 /dev/(i can't rmemeber the exact ones) |
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| 15:24.37 | jaakkos | Big_Brother: that does sound good to me. but hmmmmm... are you sure the construction is not ongoing still |
| 15:24.58 | jaakkos | sorry gtg. |
| 15:25.26 | Big_Brother | it's supposed to be finished |
| 15:25.28 | DelphiWorld | sad |
| 15:25.29 | Big_Brother | i'd hope, at least |
| 15:25.34 | DelphiWorld | unable to get my bluetooth device up |
| 15:25.35 | DelphiWorld | root@MediaTran:/dev# hcitool scan |
| 15:25.35 | DelphiWorld | Device is not available: No such device |
| 15:25.53 | Big_Brother | i started the damn thing yesterday at like 2pm- it's 10:25am the next day.................. |
| 15:26.04 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: i'm planing to build a local debian mirror here in my country |
| 15:26.25 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: okay, and? |
| 15:26.32 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: just told you ;) |
| 15:26.35 | abrotman | oh okay |
| 15:26.39 | tnt | WTF ? The migration from IP base to IP services for a 3750-X costs like 2500$ !?! .. that's like the price of the switch ! |
| 15:26.42 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: how much disk space is required aproximatly ? |
| 15:26.43 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: which country is that? |
| 15:26.52 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: algeria |
| 15:27.02 | abrotman | don't you have like four mirrors already?! |
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| 15:27.09 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: WTF? |
| 15:27.12 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: show me? |
| 15:27.13 | DelphiWorld | ? |
| 15:27.14 | DelphiWorld | ????????????????????? |
| 15:27.17 | abrotman | you just have one .. i'm kidding |
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| 15:27.28 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: will kill myself if there's any mirror here. |
| 15:27.40 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: there is one here ? |
| 15:27.50 | abrotman | Algeria |
| 15:27.50 | abrotman | debian.usthb.dz |
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| 15:28.06 | Big_Brother | oh happy day! a suicide! |
| 15:28.16 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: http://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
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| 15:28.32 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list .. alphabetical order |
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| 15:28.52 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: anyway i will mirror another. |
| 15:29.01 | DelphiWorld | and WWTF i can't belieuv this. |
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| 15:29.58 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: well, at any rate, if you mirror the whole thing, it's pretty large, 700GB or so ? |
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| 15:30.11 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: will get 700tb then :P |
| 15:30.39 | abrotman | ok |
| 15:30.47 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: thank you for the info. |
| 15:31.08 | DelphiWorld | anyway any solution for my bluetooth device ? |
| 15:31.38 | DelphiWorld | Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle ( HCI mode) |
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| 15:39.44 | DelphiWorld | can someone help me please |
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| 15:39.51 | DelphiWorld | i don't see my bluetooth / usb audio working |
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| 15:41.13 | venol | Excusme, I have problem with mailgraph to show graph from mail server postfix. How I can see the graph immediately if my server receive message. I've set mailgraph start with --verbose. And I know rrd file was updated. But, why I can't see the graph? Thanks for your help |
| 15:41.47 | wols_ | DelphiWorld: you need to give more info if you want help |
| 15:42.11 | DelphiWorld | wols_: what can i give: lsusb ? |
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| 15:44.26 | DelphiWorld | wols_: for bluetooth: Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle ( HCI mode) |
| 15:44.52 | DelphiWorld | wols_: for audio usb: Bus 002 Device 003: ID 1130:f211 Tenx Technology, Inc. TP6911 Audio Headset |
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| 15:50.04 | winter | o/ |
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| 15:50.29 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: bluetooth |
| 15:50.29 | dpkg | Bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol (http://bluetooth.com/), about as secure as shouting. aptitude install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser . For support of Qualcomm Atheros devices, ask me about <ath3k>. |
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| 15:52.31 | DelphiWorld | this device work seenlessly in openwrt :( |
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| 16:00.57 | sythe | http://openzest.com/s/q/s.html |
| 16:00.58 | sythe | Thoughts? |
| 16:01.47 | abrotman | what about it? |
| 16:01.56 | sythe | Color scheme, design...etc/ |
| 16:02.08 | sythe | It's my 4th version |
| 16:02.17 | abrotman | why are you asking #debian ... |
| 16:02.22 | sythe | hmm |
| 16:02.31 | sythe | Because I meant to click #defocus |
| 16:02.34 | sythe | lol |
| 16:02.44 | sythe | Still...if you have any comments |
| 16:02.46 | sythe | lol |
| 16:02.46 | abrotman | okay then ... |
| 16:02.58 | sythe | Developed on a debian-based distro ;) |
| 16:03.00 | sythe | lol |
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| 16:06.34 | chipnt | sythe way too sober |
| 16:06.45 | chipnt | not atracting readers |
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| 16:06.59 | chipnt | the red blur is nasty |
| 16:07.06 | giantkiar | engine page not found, editor page not found, tutorials page not found e download page not found...!!! |
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| 16:07.42 | chipnt | thats ok, its just a template, giantkiar |
| 16:07.58 | chipnt | but the front page is the sober i ever seen |
| 16:08.02 | chipnt | like for a cimitery |
| 16:08.04 | giantkiar | wow...it's not a good time to spam in this channel... :) |
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| 16:14.25 | paxed | i've got nvidia installed using the debian way (testing), but that removes the mplayer from debian-multimedia.org. and installing the mplayer removes the nvidia driver. help? |
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| 16:16.12 | DelphiWorld | dear friends no one can help me ? |
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| 16:18.58 | bremner | paxed: why do you want mplayer from debian-multimedia? |
| 16:19.34 | paxed | bremner: well, it's from there because i've had it from there for years. if there's a better place to get it from... |
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| 16:20.29 | bocaneri | I also tend to stick with the Debian-supplied mplayer. |
| 16:21.00 | paxed | i don't care where it's from as long as it works. and this has been working fine for me for years. |
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| 16:21.57 | cesurasean | how do i make another root account? giving an account 'sbrady' the same privileges as root user? |
| 16:22.33 | DelphiWorld | cesurasean: lol, not another root :P |
| 16:22.40 | DelphiWorld | cesurasean: you should use sudo |
| 16:22.47 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: sory if is not debian way. |
| 16:22.56 | tensorpudding | i think it's possible to make another user with root privs |
| 16:22.57 | abrotman | huh? |
| 16:23.05 | tensorpudding | by giving it the same UID as root |
| 16:23.05 | cesurasean | I WANT TO CREATE ANOTHER ROOT! tell me how! |
| 16:23.18 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: is sudo xxxxxx accepted in debian ? |
| 16:23.21 | abrotman | cesurasean: why not just let them use root ? |
| 16:23.21 | cesurasean | what file do i need to edit? |
| 16:23.25 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: like ubuntu always use sudo |
| 16:23.29 | tensorpudding | i don't know why you'd do that though |
| 16:23.32 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: debian has sudo .. yes |
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| 16:23.32 | cesurasean | because i need to setup another account. |
| 16:23.42 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: nice |
| 16:23.51 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: i was afraid to by kicked out :P |
| 16:23.55 | tensorpudding | it would be root, just with a different name, shell, home directory |
| 16:23.57 | abrotman | cesurasean: you're not answering the question .. why not just give them root ? |
| 16:23.59 | abrotman | !wheel |
| 16:23.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, wheel is the traditional name of security group 0 in BSD (from slang for "big wheel" as a powerful person). This group is irrelevant in the default Debian configs but you can use the "sudo" group to give users the ability to run commands as root through sudo; ask me about <sudoers>. Alternatively, look at the pam_wheel module for <PAM> which will only allow su to root from members of the wheel group. |
| 16:24.07 | tensorpudding | you really ought not do it |
| 16:24.09 | cesurasean | abrotman, because im giving root to another person. password, and all. |
| 16:24.22 | abrotman | cesurasean: so just give them root and the password ... |
| 16:24.26 | cesurasean | NO! |
| 16:24.33 | cesurasean | quit telling me what to do. i know what needs to be done. |
| 16:24.33 | abrotman | why not? |
| 16:24.41 | cesurasean | because i don't want someone to kick me off this box. |
| 16:24.41 | tensorpudding | i only mentioned it because i know that freebsd has two root accounts, with the same UID, though one of them is locked initially |
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| 16:24.50 | abrotman | if you know what needs to be done .. why haven't you done it? |
| 16:25.06 | cesurasean | what file do i need to edit? |
| 16:25.08 | DelphiWorld | cesurasean: SUDO :P |
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| 16:25.19 | bocaneri | cesurasean, anybody with root powers on your box can kick you off your box regardless of username or password. |
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| 16:25.33 | cesurasean | bocaneri, not unless they are smart enough. ;) |
| 16:25.36 | abrotman | wtf |
| 16:25.37 | ansgar | bocaneri: No arguments please. *scne* |
| 16:25.46 | cesurasean | I need 2 root accounts, period. How do i accomplish this? |
| 16:25.50 | abrotman | cesurasean: if they have root .. they have root .. they can throw you off the box |
| 16:25.52 | bocaneri | That wasn't an argument. It was a statement. |
| 16:26.00 | cesurasean | abrotman, not unless they know how. |
| 16:26.04 | tensorpudding | cesurasean: what do you mean by two root accounts? |
| 16:26.09 | tensorpudding | have you listened to what i said? |
| 16:26.19 | cesurasean | i want my account 'sbrady' to be equal in powers to 'root'. how do i do this? |
| 16:26.32 | tensorpudding | you can't |
| 16:26.38 | cesurasean | changing wheel? |
| 16:26.40 | tensorpudding | unless you make sbrady into another name for root |
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| 16:26.53 | tensorpudding | sudo is just delegation of privileges |
| 16:26.55 | a02 | sudo |
| 16:27.12 | cesurasean | can sudo from sbrady change root's password? |
| 16:27.27 | abrotman | depends how you set it up |
| 16:27.28 | bocaneri | Yes. |
| 16:27.44 | tensorpudding | cesurasean: sudo is being root, but only in a particular shell |
| 16:27.46 | a02 | i am a noob and am baffled as why you would want this |
| 16:27.49 | a02 | can you explain |
| 16:27.53 | abrotman | but i will tell you that if make "sbrady" another root account .. they would definitely be able to change the password |
| 16:28.06 | cesurasean | abrotman, duh. |
| 16:28.13 | abrotman | wtf .. |
| 16:28.15 | tensorpudding | if you make sbrady into another root, it's essentially equivalent to logging in as root |
| 16:28.16 | cesurasean | if they have root's password they can do anything. i realize this... |
| 16:28.25 | tensorpudding | the only difference is the name |
| 16:28.27 | abrotman | OMG .. no you do NOT get it |
| 16:28.28 | bocaneri | I'm not going to sit here and watch a clueless n00b rootkit himself. It just hurts too much. |
| 16:28.32 | tensorpudding | the UID's are the same, which is what matters |
| 16:28.35 | abrotman | you are seriously way over your head .. |
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| 16:28.48 | cesurasean | oh |
| 16:28.51 | cesurasean | I see... |
| 16:28.53 | a02 | why do you want this |
| 16:28.54 | abrotman | do you? |
| 16:28.55 | DelphiWorld | lol |
| 16:28.55 | DelphiWorld | funy |
| 16:28.59 | tensorpudding | and you already can log in as root, but it's dangerous |
| 16:29.10 | abrotman | cesurasean: do you have a specific set of "powers" you want this user to have? |
| 16:29.18 | cesurasean | abrotman, all of them. |
| 16:29.29 | cesurasean | i want for when someone locks me out of root, that i still have access |
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| 16:29.34 | cesurasean | do i need to setup a rootkit for this? |
| 16:29.41 | abrotman | cesurasean: if you give them all the powers, they have the ability to change root's password |
| 16:29.41 | DelphiWorld | cesurasean: lol |
| 16:29.45 | DelphiWorld | cesurasean: stop kyding :) |
| 16:29.48 | treebeen | cesurasean: sudo will do this... |
| 16:29.57 | DelphiWorld | treebeen: no |
| 16:29.59 | tensorpudding | how does someone lock you out of root? |
| 16:30.03 | cesurasean | abrotman, the user doesn't know how to change passwords... |
| 16:30.03 | DelphiWorld | treebeen: if someone unsudo him ? |
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| 16:30.17 | abrotman | oh yeah google "linux change password" .. |
| 16:30.19 | hxm | hi |
| 16:30.25 | DelphiWorld | cesurasean: isn't there's free www.google.com that the user get access to it 24X7 ? |
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| 16:30.37 | DelphiWorld | kill abrotman: |
| 16:30.39 | a02 | cesurasean: what if you get locked out of root and your backup root? |
| 16:30.41 | DelphiWorld | kill abrotman |
| 16:30.41 | treebeen | DelphiWorld: then not, but if someone his root he can also just delete the user |
| 16:30.43 | cesurasean | the user is not smart enough to change the password. let me rephrase. |
| 16:30.45 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: stealer;) |
| 16:30.48 | hxm | I have installed debian netinstall in an iMac 17", all was ok except I don't see the grub |
| 16:30.54 | treebeen | DelphiWorld: *is root |
| 16:30.56 | DelphiWorld | treebeen: yes, so no solution |
| 16:31.00 | hxm | I press Alt to see the menulist but doesnt appear |
| 16:31.01 | tensorpudding | cesurasean: and this user is smart enough to "lock you out of root" |
| 16:31.08 | cesurasean | dudes, i don't think the user will do more than change root's password. he's not smart enough to check user's list... ok? give it up! |
| 16:31.09 | abrotman | cesurasean: so they're too dumb to change root, but you want them to have access to do anything to your machine? |
| 16:31.10 | ansgar | cesurasean: Well, no need to worry about being locked out then. |
| 16:31.12 | tensorpudding | the only way i see to lock you out of root is to change the root password |
| 16:31.16 | ansgar | [x] Problem solved. |
| 16:31.21 | abrotman | cesurasean: use sudo .. end of discussion |
| 16:31.26 | tensorpudding | or to remove you from a sudo group, or wheel |
| 16:31.36 | cerpin | i am trying to install nvidia-glx but aptitude wants to delete xserver + gnome. is this a bug? |
| 16:31.38 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: begin{ sudo su } end |
| 16:31.41 | cesurasean | how do i remove from sudo group or wheel? what file do i edit? |
| 16:31.51 | bocaneri | I think maybe setting up sudo might be a bit beyond our multiroot friend as well :sigh: |
| 16:31.52 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: sudo |
| 16:31.53 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 16:32.01 | abrotman | !tell DelphiWorld about tell |
| 16:32.02 | treebeen | init=/bin/bash |
| 16:32.07 | treebeen | problem solved |
| 16:32.10 | tensorpudding | visudo is needed to edit the sudoers file |
| 16:32.15 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: realy want to kick you out now |
| 16:32.15 | abrotman | cesurasean: visudo |
| 16:32.23 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: everytime i want to do something you do it befaure me :P |
| 16:32.27 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: go for it |
| 16:32.46 | hxm | how to install grub in an imac? |
| 16:33.11 | abrotman | hxm: x86 or ppc ? |
| 16:33.16 | DelphiWorld | like abrotman too much |
| 16:33.19 | hxm | x86 |
| 16:33.22 | hxm | is a quad core |
| 16:33.24 | tensorpudding | hxm: grub supports efi |
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| 16:34.01 | hxm | i did a clean installation, it asked to install grub in the disk and i said yes, supposedly its installed but i dont see the grub menu or the partition |
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| 16:34.13 | hxm | so i wonder running a live cd and reinstalling |
| 16:34.19 | hxm | reinstalling the grub |
| 16:34.25 | ampharos | How do I change the domain of my debian server? |
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| 16:35.01 | ampharos | it's on my LAN, and i'd like to change it from workgrup to local (so my ubuntu workstation can resolve it as hostname instead of IP) |
| 16:35.02 | cesurasean | visudo, command not found? |
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| 16:35.26 | hxm | someone here requires a personal teacher |
| 16:35.34 | abrotman | cesurasean: you have to be root to run it, and have the sudo package installed |
| 16:35.49 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there every one ! |
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| 16:38.27 | Arrowmaster | ampharos: which domain? samba domain? |
| 16:38.36 | paxed | the MPlayer package wants to remove the nvidia-glx &c packages, which obviously makes nvidia not-worky. how do i install mplayer while keeping nvidia? |
| 16:38.58 | W6KrCAsxz | I have encountered the error "the bzcat is not available on the system" when trying to install the base system. Any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 16:39.17 | cesurasean | how would i change root's password with sudo? |
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| 16:39.33 | Arrowmaster | sudo passwd root |
| 16:40.02 | ampharos | Arrowmaster: system |
| 16:40.10 | ampharos | the one debian asks you for when it installs |
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| 16:40.27 | cesurasean | I'm getting this error; |
| 16:40.28 | cesurasean | Sorry, user sbrady is not allowed to execute '/usr/bin/passwd root' as root on a |
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| 16:40.32 | Arrowmaster | that has nothing to do with another system resolving the hostname |
| 16:40.52 | abrotman | cesurasean: did you use visudo and give sbrady rights to do that ? |
| 16:40.56 | Arrowmaster | cesurasean: then you arent allowed to do that |
| 16:41.01 | cesurasean | no |
| 16:41.19 | Arrowmaster | paxed: that on squeeze? |
| 16:41.25 | W6KrCAsxz | Anyone? It's happended on the latest testing netinst cd. |
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| 16:41.32 | cesurasean | Arrowmaster, how do i grant permissions to allow me to? |
| 16:41.45 | Arrowmaster | cesurasean: you have to run visudo as root |
| 16:41.47 | ampharos | Arrowmaster: it does |
| 16:41.55 | paxed | Arrowmaster: i don't keep tabs on toy story names... but "testing" is the one i use |
| 16:42.04 | ampharos | the system will only use hostnames for remote systems if they're ion the same domain |
| 16:42.16 | ampharos | my ubuntu bopx is local and my debian box is workgroup for the domains |
| 16:42.24 | ampharos | so I have to use the LAN IP instead of the names |
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| 16:42.31 | abrotman | paxed: put the whole issue in paste.debian.net |
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| 16:43.12 | paxed | Arrowmaster: i had debian-multimedia.org in the sources.list, and i thought mplayer was coming from there, but removing that from sources and apt-get update still does it. do i need to do something else too? |
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| 16:43.19 | Arrowmaster | paxed: theres some wonkyness with the nvidia packages in testing/unstable right now i believe, personally i had to install from experimental |
| 16:43.25 | tlab | umm anyone know what package vi is in? |
| 16:43.34 | Arrowmaster | tlab: vim-tiny probably |
| 16:43.40 | jhutchins_lt | ampharos: Are you talking about resolving samba server names or just regular hostnames. |
| 16:43.50 | ampharos | regular hostnames |
| 16:43.55 | ampharos | nothing to do with samba at all |
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| 16:44.05 | ampharos | it's the UNIX domains I need changing |
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| 16:44.16 | Arrowmaster | jhutchins_lt: he said system name but theres nothing at all to do with resolving with that unless hes got some external dns system doing it |
| 16:44.17 | abrotman | ampharos: hold on .. how do you want to address the server? |
| 16:44.23 | ampharos | through hostname |
| 16:44.25 | abrotman | ampharos: foo.domain.com ? |
| 16:44.26 | tlab | Arrowmaster, that installs vim |
| 16:44.28 | abrotman | or just foo? |
| 16:44.31 | ampharos | my ubuntu box is willow and debian server giles |
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| 16:44.39 | jhutchins_lt | You can either use host files on each system or you can set up a DNS server. A lot of people use the dnsmasq system, I use bind. |
| 16:44.41 | ampharos | they're on the LAN, but since they don't have the same domains set uop |
| 16:44.44 | Arrowmaster | tlab: i dont think theres a real vi in debian |
| 16:44.46 | ampharos | i have to address them bty IP |
| 16:44.50 | paxed | Arrowmaster: http://paste.debian.net/123086/ |
| 16:44.51 | abrotman | ampharos: you didn't answer my question |
| 16:44.54 | ampharos | which is tricvky with DHCP names |
| 16:45.01 | ampharos | abrotman: not that |
| 16:45.04 | ampharos | it's just things like ssh |
| 16:45.16 | jhutchins_lt | ampharos: Check out dnsmasq, or set static addresses in the DHCP server. |
| 16:45.17 | ampharos | I have to do e.g: ssh ampharos@192.168.2.18 |
| 16:45.22 | Arrowmaster | paxed: i think youll need to install the nvidia packages from experimental |
| 16:45.22 | abrotman | ampharos: stop hitting enter every fifth word .. and answer the question |
| 16:45.23 | ampharos | instead of ampharos@giles |
| 16:45.32 | jhutchins_lt | ampharos: It has nothing to do with domain names. |
| 16:45.33 | ampharos | I AM answering the question |
| 16:45.42 | abrotman | ampharos: okay .. you want to use netbios and change your /etc/nsswitch.conf |
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| 16:45.56 | Arrowmaster | ampharos: there are no 'UNIX domains' that have anything to do with resolving hostnames |
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| 16:46.14 | Angstrom_ | Does anyone know anything about the _X_SENTINEL error |
| 16:46.33 | jhutchins_lt | Actually, in general networking, the domain name tells where the DNS server is. |
| 16:46.42 | W6KrCAsxz | the bzcat is not available on the system? anyone please? |
| 16:46.45 | paxed | Arrowmaster: ... hm, ouch. maybe this'll be resolved in a few weeks... |
| 16:46.47 | abrotman | ampharos: make sure both systems have winbind installed .. and then in your /etc/nsswitch.conf, add the 'winbind' to the 'hosts' line somewhere .. probably before DNS |
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| 16:46.56 | Angstrom_ | Where you get 12 errors like ]/usr/include/X11/Xlib.h:3590: error: expected initializer before â_X_SENTINELâ |
| 16:47.12 | abrotman | W6KrCAsxz: which installer? |
| 16:47.12 | paxed | Arrowmaster: how would i go doing that? just the nvidia from experimental? |
| 16:47.18 | Angstrom_ | I've seen on Google that many people had it, but adding the definitions to /usr/include/X11/Xlib.h like the pages say doesn't help |
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| 16:47.38 | W6KrCAsxz | testing netinst, latest daily. |
| 16:47.45 | Angstrom_ | Does anyone know anything about the _X_SENTINEL error? Where you get 12 errors like ]/usr/include/X11/Xlib.h:3590: error: expected initializer before â_X_SENTINELâ |
| 16:47.52 | abrotman | W6KrCAsxz: so use the stable one .. the 'daily' netinst can be all sorts of broken |
| 16:47.56 | Arrowmaster | paxed: yeah just add experimental to your sources and upgrade just the nvidia* and libgl1* packages |
| 16:48.00 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Wouldn't it be simpler to use dnsmasq or hostfiles? |
| 16:48.19 | W6KrCAsxz | can netinst install a basic base system without internet access? |
| 16:48.27 | Arrowmaster | dnsmasq is the simplest imho |
| 16:48.45 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: he only has two nnow .. he may have dozens in the future .. which will be easier then ? |
| 16:48.50 | abrotman | W6KrCAsxz: yes |
| 16:48.58 | Angstrom_ | Why doesn't it work? |
| 16:48.58 | Angstrom_ | [12:48] [Angstrom_(+i)] [4:freenode/#jjj(+cnt)] [Act: 1,3] |
| 16:49.03 | tharkun | Gentlemen i need to test an irc bot on my local machine, can anyone recomend a nice small and simple ircd for testing code¡ |
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| 16:49.20 | Angstrom_ | [#jjj] #if defined(__GNUC__) && (__GNUC__ >= 4) |
| 16:49.20 | Angstrom_ | # define _X_SENTINEL(x) __attribute__ ((__sentinel__(x))) |
| 16:49.20 | Angstrom_ | # define _X_ATTRIBUTE_PRINTF(x,y) __attribute__((__format__(__printf__,x,y))) |
| 16:49.20 | Angstrom_ | #else |
| 16:49.20 | Angstrom_ | # define _X_SENTINEL(x) |
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| 16:49.40 | Angstrom_ | What's wrong with those definitions? |
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| 16:50.18 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: dnsmasq |
| 16:51.23 | ikonia | !ops suzy_ is back with the onjoin spamming |
| 16:51.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: ikonia complains about: suzy_ is back with the onjoin spamming |
| 16:51.25 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: i disagree .. |
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| 16:51.38 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 16:52.03 | Arrowmaster | my router firmware includes dnsmasq so for me its the simplest to use |
| 16:52.04 | ikonia | abrotman: done #debian about 3 times today |
| 16:52.13 | abrotman | yeah, i'm not noticing when it joins |
| 16:52.27 | abrotman | probably better if fn does it at the network level, but oh well |
| 16:52.29 | ikonia | abrotman: I've missed it too |
| 16:52.37 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: I use full blown dhcp/dns servers, but this network has been around since before dnsmasq. |
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| 16:53.40 | Arrowmaster | actually i take that back about dnsmasq being the simplest since debians dhclient doesnt send the hostname by default |
| 16:54.00 | Angstrom_ | CAn anyone here help me with the _X_SENTINEL bug in squeeze |
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| 16:54.22 | AbrahamLinksys | I'm looking for a very simple FTP server |
| 16:54.27 | Angstrom_ | Or are you all businessy and dnsmasqy and setting up a namedy |
| 16:54.57 | AbrahamLinksys | security is not a large concern; I'm just interested in something that just lets me access the home server quickly |
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| 16:55.07 | Arrowmaster | Angstrom_: i have no clue what that issue is so i cant help |
| 16:55.09 | abrotman | AbrahamLinksys: vsftpd |
| 16:55.09 | jhutchins_lt | Angstrom_: I don't have any idea what you're talking about, or what language you're trying to code in. |
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| 16:55.29 | AbrahamLinksys | i tried vsftpd |
| 16:55.35 | jhutchins_lt | AbrahamLinksys: ssh/scp? |
| 16:55.35 | abrotman | it wasn't simple enough ? |
| 16:55.46 | AbrahamLinksys | it did not let me easily configure it for my needs |
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| 16:56.16 | Angstrom_ | Okay, I'm trying to compile a program named cinepaint, that was removed from debian for being buggy... but my problem is that when I try to compile, it gives errors like /usr/include/X11/Xlib.h:3874: error: expected initializer before â_X_SENTINELâ |
| 16:56.22 | tharkun | Gentlemen any coments on ngircd will it be enough to test an irc bot locally? |
| 16:56.32 | abrotman | AbrahamLinksys: so you need more than a simple ftp server? |
| 16:56.42 | Angstrom_ | I've checked google and many people in debian have the same problem when compiling qt or other programs, with Xlib.h and Xfuncproto.h |
| 16:56.44 | AbrahamLinksys | no |
| 16:56.54 | AbrahamLinksys | vsftpd for some reasonm did not let me log in a a user |
| 16:56.58 | AbrahamLinksys | only as anonymous |
| 16:57.04 | Angstrom_ | I've tried including Xfuncproto.h, inserting the _X_SENTINEL #define code in Xlib.h, everything you could think of, and it still doesn't work |
| 16:57.48 | abrotman | AbrahamLinksys: did you look at the config file? |
| 16:57.55 | Angstrom_ | Someone on a message board commented about a .diff file or something and was saying "if you type _X_SENTINEL debian into any search engine, you see how much people could have avoided this problem" |
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| 16:58.03 | abrotman | AbrahamLinksys: there is also proftpd and pureftpd |
| 16:58.20 | AbrahamLinksys | I'll try pureftpd |
| 16:58.23 | Angstrom_ | My problem is, I searched google extensively for a solution, and found someone claiming to have a .diff file for /usr/include/X11/Xlib.h, but not posting it and no way of cxontacting him by E-mail |
| 16:59.35 | AbrahamLinksys | exccellent, it is working for my needs |
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| 17:01.05 | Angstrom_ | First of all, my question is, why would anyone #define a function instead of doing like int _x_sentinel(int x, int y) in a header file? |
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| 17:02.16 | jhutchins_lt | Angstrom_: Perhaps there is a QT programming channel. |
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| 17:03.01 | Angstrom_ | This isn't for QT, it's for a program called "cinepaint" |
| 17:03.09 | Angstrom_ | and it isn't just a QT problem, it's a Debian-only problemn |
| 17:03.15 | jhutchins_lt | Whatever language it's in. |
| 17:03.18 | tharkun | Angstrom_: compile cinepaint on debian is not for the faint of heart. |
| 17:03.18 | Angstrom_ | C++ |
| 17:03.44 | jhutchins_lt | Angstrom_: If someone in the Debian community had been interested in recoding cinepaint they would have done so by now. |
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| 17:04.05 | devil | Angstrom_: etorix on #aptosid is or at least was into cinepaint developement or close to it |
| 17:04.10 | Angstrom_ | but you don't understand, this error occurs in programs like qt, Cinepaint, ruby1.8, etc |
| 17:04.11 | jhutchins_lt | Angstrom_: I'm sure there are plenty of C++ forae. |
| 17:04.28 | Angstrom_ | HEre's why I don't go off to #gimp or ##c++ or #qt |
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| 17:04.47 | Angstrom_ | It's because those channels are usually small and have all idlers, one person comes back to the channel to see what is going on every FEW DAYS |
| 17:04.57 | Angstrom_ | in a channe like this, there are a few non-idle people |
| 17:04.58 | babilen | ##c++ small? |
| 17:05.07 | Angstrom_ | I can't talk in ##C++ anyway |
| 17:05.10 | stew | Angstrom_: the problem is that this program hasn't been corrected since g++ 4.4 came out and exposed additional errors in the software that was not evident when it was written |
| 17:05.13 | Angstrom_ | it says "cannot send to channel" |
| 17:05.31 | stew | Angstrom_: so i suppose debian's error is that it uses a more current c++? |
| 17:05.32 | Angstrom_ | stew: But the problem isn't cinepaint, it's Xlib.h/Xfuncproto.h and the libraries themselves |
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| 17:05.43 | Angstrom_ | http://blog.hashbangbash.com/2007/10/kde4-on-slack12-in-progress/ |
| 17:05.53 | Angstrom_ | it doesn't seem to be a debian only problem either |
| 17:05.55 | stew | Angstrom_: so you corrected the error from yesterday, and now there is a now one? |
| 17:05.59 | Angstrom_ | yes |
| 17:06.05 | stew | Angstrom_: if that file were buggy, then how is any of X compiled in debian? |
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| 17:06.08 | Angstrom_ | I corrected the const char one, simply by redfining the function in all code files |
| 17:06.14 | Angstrom_ | good question , stew |
| 17:06.41 | jhutchins_lt | That's often a problem with older code, one of the reasons it gets abandoned. |
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| 17:07.16 | Angstrom_ | maybe I'll just post an ad on "rentacoder.com" for $20, saying "I'll give $20 if you help me solve my problem". Sopme Idnain coder from BAngalore could do a better job than a bunch of lazy first world country people |
| 17:07.20 | Angstrom_ | Indian |
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| 17:07.58 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: afaik cinepaint is not abandoned. But it went a separate way from debian. Lots of custom code for each project it gets heavily involved |
| 17:08.05 | Angstrom_ | who idle... and idle... and idle... and make it so you can't talk in their channel |
| 17:08.21 | Angstrom_ | right, I used the CVS version because the older code wouldn't copile at all |
| 17:08.23 | Angstrom_ | compile |
| 17:08.55 | Angstrom_ | How do I register a nickname |
| 17:08.56 | bluephoenix47 | Query: I'm trying to install debian on my machine, doing a net install from mini.iso. I'm currently trying to install the base system, but get an error "debootstrao: Can't check signature: public key not found" |
| 17:09.07 | tharkun | Angstrom_: After you compile it, you can package it for debian and make a bunch of other people happy :-) |
| 17:09.16 | Angstrom` | I'll do a third party package |
| 17:09.24 | jhutchins_lt | Angstrom`: /msg nickserv help register |
| 17:09.44 | Angstrom` | Just because useful software is buggy, doesn't mean you have to remove it from the OS, u buntu and fedora have cinepaint packages |
| 17:09.50 | Angstrom` | It's always one extra step for debian |
| 17:09.58 | Angstrom` | I had this problem with cinelerra, |
| 17:10.25 | jhutchins_lt | Angstrom`: Debian has standards for quality and stability, which is why so many of us run it INSTEAD of Fedora or Ubuntu. |
| 17:10.27 | ansgar | Angstrom`: There is no cinepaint package in ubuntu. |
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| 17:10.47 | stew | Angstrom`: debian is run by volunteers. after calling for volunteers to maintain that package, nobody volunteered |
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| 17:12.12 | inference | this distro is strange, but excellent |
| 17:12.15 | ansgar | Angstrom`: And Ubuntu will usually remove packages that were removed from Debian as well. I believe it's even half-automated. |
| 17:12.17 | inference | zenix |
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| 17:12.47 | inference | very similar, in it's minimalism, to #! |
| 17:12.56 | Arrowmaster | majority of packages in ubuntu are just copied directly from debian |
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| 17:13.00 | stew | Angstrom`: and yes, because it was broken (as you know, it doesn't even compile), it cannot be included in debain |
| 17:13.02 | Angstrom` | I wanted to say this about it: http://old.nabble.com/Cinepaint-in-private-repository-for-Ubuntu-9.10-Karmic-Koala-td26291082.html |
| 17:13.06 | inference | just debian squeeze with openbox + tint2 or awesome |
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| 17:13.48 | Angstrom` | So when an important package like QTgui can't compile with the same initilizer _X_SENTINEL error, you make the necessary adjustments to fix it anyway? |
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| 17:14.23 | valdyn | Angstrom`: who is "you" ? |
| 17:14.42 | Angstrom` | you being the debian team |
| 17:14.54 | a02 | can someone shed light on why ubuntu has deviated so hard from debian |
| 17:14.59 | valdyn | Angstrom`: no, thats not how it works, and debian is not exactly a team |
| 17:15.05 | a02 | has it even? |
| 17:15.07 | stew | a02: perhaps #ubuntu |
| 17:15.08 | Arrowmaster | either the package maintainer would fix it or it would be removed |
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| 17:15.31 | stew | Angstrom`: if you think debian would benefit from having this package, you can volunteer to maintain it |
| 17:15.31 | bluephoenix47 | I'm trying to install debian testing on my machine, doing a net install from mini.iso. I'm currently trying to install the base system, but get an error "debootstrap: Can't check signature: public key not found" and the installation fails. Anyone have ideas? Google is not helpful in this. |
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| 17:16.10 | Angstrom` | I wanted to find a free, Paint Shop Pro type package for Linux, but the only paint programs I could find other than gimp were Cinepaint and mtPaint |
| 17:16.10 | abrotman | bluephoenix47: using the stable installer would be more ideal |
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| 17:16.27 | abrotman | what's wrong with gimp? |
| 17:16.38 | converge | hi, im trying to set up my keyboard layout on console with dpkg-reconfigure console-data, but after reboot it looses the configuration, how can i keep it ? |
| 17:17.07 | Angstrom` | gimp doesn't have the translate-ablilty or paint-only ability that PSP had when I used PSP6 |
| 17:17.16 | bluephoenix47 | abrotman: well if that's all I can do, I shall do it. thank you |
| 17:17.33 | abrotman | paint-only? |
| 17:17.57 | Angstrom` | I'm typing /msg nickserv help register in irssi and it isn't giving mack a response |
| 17:18.02 | abrotman | Angstrom`: if you describe those 'features', you might get help |
| 17:18.26 | abrotman | Angstrom`: it opened a new window .. look at your status bar |
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| 17:18.50 | bluephoenix47 | I tried to switch mirrors and I am now getting a similar error when I try to download the installer packages |
| 17:19.33 | SpeedyG | hm, I wonder what the purpose of strigi (file indexing thingy) is if it slows down your system to speeds that were common in the 80s ... |
| 17:20.12 | Virtualmix | bluephoenix47, you should get Debian stable iso on debian.org |
| 17:20.23 | Angstrom` | Think about the main difference between Photoshop/GIMP and Paint Shop Pro/Adobe Illustrator |
| 17:20.33 | devil | SpeedyG: for first indexing or later? |
| 17:20.44 | Angstrom` | GIMP has limited brush tools, and also doesn't have a lot of the automatic dither/other functions PSP has |
| 17:20.53 | Angstrom` | Also it's done in Layers, Paint Shop Pro can do it on a single layer |
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| 17:20.55 | SpeedyG | devil: both |
| 17:21.05 | devil | SpeedyG: what does htop say? |
| 17:21.07 | jhutchins_lt | Heh,, I worked on PSP back when it was shareware. |
| 17:21.10 | bluephoenix47 | Virtualmix: I believe I did download the stable netinstall mini.iso. I simply choose the testing mirror during install. |
| 17:21.29 | devil | SpeedyG: and what are your system specs when it comes to cpu and ram? |
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| 17:21.54 | Lenin_Cat | I am in a car on the wa home, for like 7 hours. How can I maximize m baatter? |
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| 17:22.02 | SpeedyG | devil: athlon3000+ with 2Gb memory |
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| 17:22.17 | devil | SpeedyG: and what eats the cpu? |
| 17:22.45 | devil | SpeedyG: i had the same setup until some months ago, it was not slowing down that much |
| 17:22.47 | Virtualmix | bluephoenix47, Ok, how does your sources.list looks like? |
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| 17:23.55 | devil | Lenin_Cat: shut down the laptop and enjoy the scenery outside the window :) |
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| 17:24.57 | Lenin_Cat | devhell, nah |
| 17:25.02 | bluephoenix47 | Virtualmix: Where would I find it? |
| 17:25.12 | bluephoenix47 | find on the root turned up nothing |
| 17:25.46 | SpeedyG | devil: the virtuoso-t process was eating up most cpu-time |
| 17:25.54 | Virtualmix | bluephoenix47, in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:26.19 | bluephoenix47 | Virutalmix: /etc/apt doesn't exist. At least not on this little net installer |
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| 17:28.04 | Virtualmix | bluephoenix47, ohh, then my only guess would be to choose another server during installation if this option is offered |
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| 17:29.21 | wm4 | why does debian refuse to patch this issue http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=616308 |
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| 17:29.44 | bluephoenix47 | Virtualmix: It is. I can go back, and I tried to change the mirror to ftp.us.debian.org/debian/squeeze instead of wheezy, but I got a similar "can't check signature" error when trying to download the new installer packages |
| 17:29.49 | wm4 | even upstream suggests distributions should patch it for their users https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30103 |
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| 17:30.59 | valdyn | wm4: did you actually read the bug report? |
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| 17:31.08 | wm4 | valdyn: yes |
| 17:31.16 | valdyn | wm4: i mean, how can you claim that the dev refuses to patch when he sais he will patch? |
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| 17:31.29 | wm4 | valdyn: "will" in the distant future |
| 17:31.48 | wm4 | valdyn: causing pain to all the users, which is supposed to make nvidia fix their problem (????) |
| 17:31.49 | converge | my keyboard layout is changing by itself everytime i reboot, how can i maintain my keyboard layout on console ? |
| 17:32.07 | valdyn | wm4: no, not all users, squeeze is for users |
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| 17:34.36 | Virtualmix | bluephoenix47, and your Internet connexion is configured? (sorry for silly question) |
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| 17:36.26 | bluephoenix47 | Virtualmix: It is. I was able to get through the installation for a while, but then this public key business stopped me half way through. I'm trying to see if I can manually download the debian public key where gpg can find it on here.. but I'm not sure where it's looking for keys |
| 17:38.11 | Virtualmix | bluephoenix47, you should first install your system from Stable and after the base system is installed reboot and configure your sources.list to use Testing's repos, then install all the package you'd like. |
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| 17:38.54 | abrotman | Angstrom`: you didn't tell me anything useful .. |
| 17:39.40 | jhutchins_lt | bluephoenix47: That is a somewhat unusual error. |
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| 17:42.27 | bluephoenix47 | Virtualmix: Fair enough. But, right now I can't revert the mirror to the stable branch. I verified the iso I'm using is from stable (the md5 sum), but now I'm getting the same error when I try to change mirror |
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| 17:42.32 | rubin110 | So I'm trying to install Debian Wheeze on a new ThinkPad X220 through USB install. |
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| 17:42.32 | rubin110 | Once the installer comes up and searches for the ISO, it errors out about how it's found the ISO but can't read it. |
| 17:42.32 | rubin110 | Any tips? |
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| 17:42.32 | abrotman | rubin110: how did you prepare the usb drive ? |
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| 17:42.32 | rubin110 | abrotman: zcat the boot image to the thumb drive, mount, copy the iso on. |
| 17:42.33 | abrotman | that sounds wrong |
| 17:42.33 | abrotman | rubin110: they're hybrid ISOs now .. |
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| 17:42.33 | abrotman | rubin110: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-isohybrid |
| 17:42.33 | rubin110 | abrotman: That's what the wheeze instructions say... |
| 17:42.33 | abrotman | the instructions? |
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| 17:42.46 | rubin110 | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch04s03.html |
| 17:43.10 | rubin110 | # zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX |
| 17:43.15 | rubin110 | After that, mount the USB memory stick (mount /dev/sdX /mnt), which will now have a FAT filesystem on it, and copy a Debian netinst or businesscard ISO image to it. Unmount the stick (umount /mnt) and you are done. |
| 17:43.46 | abrotman | oh god .. those instructions must be like five years old |
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| 17:44.25 | rubin110 | abrotman: So what's the right way to create a USB installer drive? |
| 17:44.38 | Virtualmix | bluephoenix47, ohh, then I'm not sure, I would try to write "ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze" instead of "o ftp.us.debian.org/debian/squeeze" (not the space) but its my last guess |
| 17:44.48 | rubin110 | And who should I file a bug against to get the instructions corrected. |
| 17:44.48 | abrotman | rubin110: see the URL i gave you above |
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| 17:45.05 | abrotman | rubin110: those aren't 'official' instructions .. |
| 17:45.23 | rubin110 | abrotman: They're linked from the testing page. |
| 17:45.30 | rubin110 | They're off of the debian domain. |
| 17:45.40 | rubin110 | Doesn't get anymore official than that. :) |
| 17:46.16 | jhutchins_lt | !tell rubin110 about usb install |
| 17:46.28 | abrotman | rubin110: alioth isn't exactly official .. but i'm trying to ask the -amd64 guys |
| 17:47.30 | jhutchins_lt | rubin110: The only reason to run the testing installer is to test the installer. Right now there are going to be a lot of changes in testing, and the installer doesn't usually keep up very well. It's usually left broken and then brought up to speed after the freeze. It's one of the final projects before the release. |
| 17:48.11 | jhutchins_lt | rubin110: If you're planning to test wheezy, it's recommended that you install squeeze and then follow the normal "upgrade" procedures to convert it to wheezy/testing. |
| 17:48.18 | rubin110 | jhutchins_lt: Incorrect, my NIC is only supported in 2.6.36 and above. |
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| 17:48.27 | rubin110 | Wheezy installer is 37 I think. |
| 17:48.32 | rubin110 | Also planning to go to Sid anyways. |
| 17:48.44 | abrotman | rubin110: hold on |
| 17:48.46 | pipeline | testing the installer is a worthy endeavour in itself |
| 17:48.47 | abrotman | !tell rubin110 about kmuto |
| 17:49.00 | jhutchins_lt | rubin110: WHy bother? You already have a system that's not working, no need to go to all the trouble of installing and breaking sid. |
| 17:49.39 | jhutchins_lt | rubin110: In any case, testing and sid are supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:49.44 | rubin110 | jhutchins_lt: What? I'm already running Sid on a half dozen other machines. |
| 17:50.02 | jhutchins_lt | rubin110: So you shouldn't have to ask questions in stable support. |
| 17:50.23 | abrotman | what? |
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| 17:50.40 | abrotman | rubin110: anyway .. the kmuto installer has squeeze with a newer kernel |
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| 17:51.30 | a02 | is there something i need to know about fonts in gnome terminal on a default install? |
| 17:51.31 | rubin110 | abrotman: I'm going to give the installer off of Debian's site a try first as that worked fine for me a month ago on another machine (and now that I think about it I think I cated the iso instead of playing with the boot.img). If that fails I'll give your directions a try. |
| 17:51.48 | rubin110 | a02: Um, the font sucks, go find terminus. |
| 17:51.59 | rubin110 | It's a really nice cubic font. |
| 17:52.02 | abrotman | rubin110: the method you're using worked with lenny, not with squeeze |
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| 17:52.23 | rubin110 | abrotman: I'm pushing wheezy. :P |
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| 17:53.23 | abrotman | rubin110: that's fine .. also note a few people have been in here today saying the testing daily images are broken |
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| 17:53.46 | a02 | also im using screen, when i autocomplete the screen flashes white |
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| 17:54.58 | thinksteve | a02: That's a feature, it's called: visual bell. |
| 17:55.04 | Jack_Johnson | hi, I've got a sid directory chroot on my wheezy system. Whatever command I run inside the chroot, I always get an error message like "E: Failed to change to directory /home/abc: No such file or directory" (where /home/abc is my cwd on the host). Any idea what's going on? |
| 17:56.34 | a02 | thinksteve: ha thanks man |
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| 17:58.00 | enyawix | anyone have a link the the debian log in message |
| 17:58.10 | Virtualmix | Does anyone know the reason why the package "Arduino" have been removed from Testing recently? |
| 17:58.41 | abrotman | dpkg: why is arduino not in testing |
| 17:58.41 | dpkg | arduino is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=arduino |
| 17:58.43 | enyawix | want to install it in my banner for my router |
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| 17:59.31 | Virtualmix | Thank you dpkg :-) |
| 17:59.50 | abrotman | enyawix: what? |
| 18:00.19 | enyawix | the message you get when you login to a debian box |
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| 18:00.40 | enyawix | i want to put in on a cisco router |
| 18:01.02 | jhutchins_lt | Which text? |
| 18:01.20 | jhutchins_lt | enyawix: /etc/motd? |
| 18:01.53 | enyawix | never mind i will install debian in vm to get the message |
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| 18:32.52 | ws2k3 | hello guys i runned apt-get install apache2 and mysql-server and phpmyadmin but i cant connect to http://myip/phpmyadmin i already manualy restarted apache2 but i still cant access it. |
| 18:33.23 | intel_ix | has anyone here used the asus wireless adapter, usb-n13? |
| 18:33.27 | treebeen | ws2k3: also not from the localhost? |
| 18:34.30 | ws2k3 | i dont know i have CLI only but its machine without a firewall so debian directory to the internet connecten its a clear installation yesterday installed. |
| 18:35.15 | treebeen | ws2k3: take a look at /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin |
| 18:35.21 | epsilon | ws2k3: do you have phpmyadin config somewhere under /etc/apache2? It's usually /etc/apache2/conf.d IIRC |
| 18:35.56 | treebeen | ws2k3: i think usually only localhost is allowed |
| 18:37.17 | epsilon | no afaik it has no access restriction |
| 18:37.26 | ws2k3 | in both locations is no phpmyadmin |
| 18:37.44 | ws2k3 | i checked /etc/apache2 and i checken /etc/apache2/conf.d |
| 18:37.56 | epsilon | phpmyadmin.conf |
| 18:38.38 | ws2k3 | in both locations there is no phpmyadmin.conf |
| 18:39.14 | epsilon | do you have /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf ? |
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| 18:39.35 | treebeen | ws2k3: aptitude show phpmyadmin ? |
| 18:40.31 | ws2k3 | yes i have /etc/phpmyadmin/apache2.conf |
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| 18:42.06 | treebeen | ws2k3: ah, so the symlink is missing in conf.d |
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| 18:42.24 | ws2k3 | treebeen: yeah i think so |
| 18:42.28 | epsilon | k, then link it to apache... ln -s /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf |
| 18:42.38 | epsilon | the reload apache2 |
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| 18:43.20 | ws2k3 | hmm yeah now it works |
| 18:43.22 | federic | Hi all, I have this issue http://nopaste.info/8ef3d12be2.html - Any idea? thanks |
| 18:43.58 | doxin | the installer freezes after detecting network hardware, any ideas? |
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| 18:44.46 | ws2k3 | is this an issue in the phpmyadmin package? or just is this normaly that i manualy have to do this if i remember correctly this should be done automaticly |
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| 18:45.21 | ws2k3 | i cannot login into phpmymadin with the root acount. is this normaly? |
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| 18:45.39 | treebeen | ws2k3: yes it should be done automatically |
| 18:45.50 | treebeen | ws2k3: it's not the same account |
| 18:46.09 | epsilon | ws2k3: yes and no... not all packages do that. Cause phpmyadmin package doesn't know which webserver you have installed (apache1, apache, lighthttpd...) and where |
| 18:46.11 | treebeen | it's the root user from mysql |
| 18:46.36 | ws2k3 | epsilon i understand thanks for pointing me to that |
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| 18:47.14 | ws2k3 | treebeen: if i remember correctly the mysql-server package should ask for a username/password and i dont remember it did now... do u need to manualy create a user? |
| 18:47.44 | treebeen | epsilon: on my lenny system it created the symlink itself... |
| 18:47.48 | epsilon | ws2k3: by default (installation) mysql root has no password. Set it with: mysql -u root -p |
| 18:48.10 | epsilon | treebeen: afaik in squeeze, too. but for example squireelmail didn't |
| 18:48.52 | ws2k3 | treebeen: hmm strange its a fresh installation of debian 6.0 AMD64 |
| 18:49.35 | Jack_Johnson | do I have to set up my user account as root user inside a chroot in order to run iceweasel or something? |
| 18:50.01 | treebeen | epsilon: I use roundcube mail... very nice web mail |
| 18:50.06 | epsilon | what kind of chroot? |
| 18:50.19 | ws2k3 | epsilon: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| 18:50.28 | Jack_Johnson | epsilon, directory chroot |
| 18:50.35 | Jack_Johnson | with schroot |
| 18:50.43 | treebeen | ws2k3: wrong pw? |
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| 18:51.14 | ws2k3 | epsilon sad i mysql-server default nas no password |
| 18:51.36 | epsilon | ws2k3: did you set the password in shell? |
| 18:52.10 | ws2k3 | for what for my root password? |
| 18:52.16 | Jack_Johnson | epsilon, when I want to start iceweasel as regular user I get "E: Failed to change to directory /home/test: No such file or directory" (where /home/test is my current dir). When run as root it just works, any idea? |
| 18:52.18 | ws2k3 | i tryed with that command |
| 18:52.27 | epsilon | ws2k3: "mysql -u root -p" in shell |
| 18:52.41 | ws2k3 | i do |
| 18:53.01 | treebeen | ws2k3: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html#resetting-permissions-unix |
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| 18:53.07 | ws2k3 | then it ask password i fill in my wished password and i get :ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
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| 18:53.26 | epsilon | yea, reset the password |
| 18:53.29 | treebeen | ws2k3: it means there is already a password defined |
| 18:53.38 | epsilon | brb |
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| 18:57.14 | federic | Hi all, I have this issue http://nopaste.info/8ef3d12be2.html - Any idea? thanks |
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| 18:58.41 | ws2k3 | ok i changed the password i can log command line now but i cannt login with phpmyadmin |
| 18:59.16 | treebeen | ws2k3: reload apache? |
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| 19:01.44 | kPI9QE8Ck | Hey, can dhclient provide verbose output? |
| 19:01.55 | ws2k3 | i did i still cant login with phpmyadmin |
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| 19:02.30 | treebeen | kPI9QE8Ck: -v ? |
| 19:02.30 | th0r | federic: looks like you might not have jack installed |
| 19:02.37 | epsilon | can you login via shell? |
| 19:02.50 | ws2k3 | yes |
| 19:03.02 | ws2k3 | mysql -u root -p |
| 19:03.03 | federic | th0r, apt-get remove my libjack |
| 19:03.18 | ws2k3 | then it asks password i fill in my password and i see mysql |
| 19:03.19 | kPI9QE8Ck | cheers |
| 19:03.20 | federic | when I make: apt-get build-dep mplayer |
| 19:03.22 | ws2k3 | so i assume thats good |
| 19:03.57 | th0r | federic: if you are trying to compile, you need the -dev libs for jack (and probably others) |
| 19:04.16 | federic | oki: many thanks th0r |
| 19:05.20 | epsilon | ws2k3: any error log in /var/log? |
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| 19:05.37 | xreal | Is there the possibility to cancel tasksel on debian installer while running? |
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| 19:06.19 | epsilon | xreal: don't think so if dpkg is already in action |
| 19:06.22 | wols_ | ctrl+alt+f2 and kill it there |
| 19:06.43 | treebeen | wols_: and then apt gets hosed? |
| 19:06.51 | wols_ | no. it never gets hosed |
| 19:06.58 | xreal | wols_: I am using remote installation via putty. ctrl+alt+f2 doesn't have a function. |
| 19:07.01 | xreal | I think, I have to wait.. |
| 19:07.16 | wols_ | then log in a 2nd time if you can |
| 19:07.21 | xreal | yeah |
| 19:07.22 | wols_ | it's a ssh server it should allow it |
| 19:07.34 | ws2k3 | apsilon there are alot of logfiles there |
| 19:07.44 | ws2k3 | mysql.log mysql.err but they are both emty |
| 19:08.08 | treebeen | ws2k3: so you are using 'root' as user with phpmyadmin? |
| 19:08.27 | frikinz | What backup app do you advise? For personal stuffs onto a external disk. I usually do manual backup but.. I forget.. until bad things happen. I'd like something automatic. |
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| 19:08.48 | aarcane | frikinz, I liek amanda. |
| 19:08.53 | ws2k3 | yes |
| 19:08.55 | wols_ | frikinz: backuppc maybe |
| 19:09.04 | frikinz | I use faubackup in manual mode |
| 19:09.11 | frikinz | ok thanks guys, i'll try both |
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| 19:09.23 | ws2k3 | same username and password as in the shell maby phpmyadmin defaulty is not accepting the username root? |
| 19:09.49 | federic | Look: i have installed libjack-jackd2-dev, but the debian-build say wich I not have the x264-dev when I have it (!!!)- in Debian Wheezy thanks again |
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| 19:10.39 | wols_ | !tell federic about errors |
| 19:10.53 | wols_ | ,versions x264-dev |
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| 19:10.53 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'x264-dev' was found in i386. |
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| 19:11.34 | wols_ | as you can see, there is no x264-dev in debian (obvious since it patented, costs a lot of money payable to MPEGLA and tehrefore can't be in debian) |
| 19:11.36 | federic | libx264-dev_0-etc |
| 19:12.07 | federic | I see this |
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| 19:12.50 | wols_ | federic: there is not a single package in debian that has "x264" in it. and I just told you why and why it won't be in debian for a long time (until the patents expire most probably |
| 19:12.53 | treebeen | ws2k3: you have to check the logs. grep them, maybe apache logs |
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| 19:13.18 | wols_ | federic: hence why dpkg messaged you. you need to give more relevant info or you can't get help |
| 19:13.35 | treebeen | !help |
| 19:13.42 | federic | http://nopaste.info/ddf215737e.html |
| 19:14.00 | federic | thanks wols_ |
| 19:14.18 | ws2k3 | no error in the apache2 log |
| 19:14.19 | wols_ | ws2k3: you get a mysql howto which explains how to add a user to mysql. then you add such a user and then log in with said users username and password. it all starts with the command line's "mysql" or maybe "mysqladmin" dunno remember which. get a howto |
| 19:14.19 | federic | Yes I know that 'issue', only free soft |
| 19:14.49 | aarcane | what happened to the debian non-free repository that included software with patent issues like lame for mp3s and libx264 for playing videos? |
| 19:14.54 | ws2k3 | wols i understand |
| 19:15.04 | ws2k3 | command is mysql |
| 19:15.08 | treebeen | wols_: he cannot log in as root with phpmyadmin... it should work, right? |
| 19:15.11 | wols_ | federic: dpkg -l |grep libx264 |
| 19:15.27 | wols_ | treebeen: read what I just wrote |
| 19:15.28 | ws2k3 | i can login command line only not in phpmyadmin |
| 19:15.38 | wols_ | !tell aarcane about dmm |
| 19:15.44 | craigevil | x264 is in dmm |
| 19:15.47 | treebeen | wols_: read what he writes |
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| 19:16.07 | federic | http://nopaste.info/37f7fb1a2e.html |
| 19:16.08 | wols_ | treebeen: you should read what _I_ just wrote, not what he wrote. but you're welcome to ignore what I write too |
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| 19:16.46 | ws2k3 | the problem isnt in mysql(i think) because command line works.. only not in phpmyadmin |
| 19:16.54 | wols_ | federic: your buildpackage needs version 1:0.115 but you have version http://nopaste.info/37f7fb1a2e.html |
| 19:17.01 | aarcane | so the majority of non-free repository moved to dmm now ? that's good to know :) |
| 19:17.11 | wols_ | federic: your buildpackage needs version 1:0.115 but you have version 1:0.svn20110617-0.1 installed. |
| 19:17.23 | wols_ | get the version dpkg-buildpackage wants to make it happy |
| 19:17.28 | federic | i will look |
| 19:17.30 | wols_ | aarcane: no |
| 19:17.45 | federic | thanks and sorry by my english :-) |
| 19:18.15 | treebeen | wols_: whatever, enjoy your egotrip |
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| 19:19.18 | ws2k3 | treebeen: seemless:) |
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| 19:20.39 | ws2k3 | ontopic how do u guys think to solve this issue |
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| 19:22.15 | wols_ | ws2k3: you HAVE read README.Debian, right? |
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| 19:23.09 | ws2k3 | for mysql-server? no i installed true apt-get install mysql-server |
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| 19:23.29 | wols_ | no. for phpmyadmin |
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| 19:23.49 | kvp | hello, trying to apt-get the latest mercurial package, but the latest i can get is 1.0.1 while the packages site has 1.6.4, ideas? |
| 19:23.53 | wols_ | but it's a good thing to read it for every package you want information |
| 19:23.53 | ws2k3 | i installed via apt-get so no |
| 19:24.03 | wols_ | ,versions mercurial |
| 19:24.04 | judd | Package mercurial on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-5.1; lenny-backports: 1.3.1-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 1.6.4-1; squeeze-backports: 1.8.3-1~bpo60+1; sid: 1.8.3-1+b1; wheezy: 1.8.3-1+b1 |
| 19:24.21 | wols_ | kvp: you run oldstable. /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 19:24.21 | ws2k3 | yeah i know but i dont know where they are located by default |
| 19:24.37 | wols_ | ws2k3: /usr/share/doc/ |
| 19:24.55 | kvp | ah right, thanks |
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| 19:25.22 | ws2k3 | it .gz by default |
| 19:25.25 | ws2k3 | :( |
| 19:25.31 | wols_ | and? |
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| 19:25.37 | wols_ | man zless |
| 19:25.48 | ZeiP | Can anyone tell me how to select the source address that elinks or links2 uses? |
| 19:26.04 | wols_ | what you mean with "source address"? |
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| 19:26.45 | ZeiP | wols_, the address that the server sees as the source of the request |
| 19:26.54 | ZeiP | wols_, I have three IPv6 addresses attached to my interface |
| 19:27.03 | ZeiP | And I need to use a specific one for this connection |
| 19:27.10 | xreal | Shall I ust ext2 or ext4 for fs on RAID-0 ? |
| 19:27.24 | wols_ | xreal: why ext2? |
| 19:27.34 | xreal | wols_: no journal might be faster? |
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| 19:28.03 | ws2k3 | wols i'm reading up but dont found up anything what i can use |
| 19:28.47 | wols_ | !sunday |
| 19:28.48 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 19:28.56 | wols_ | I guess it started early :( |
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| 19:29.48 | wols_ | ZeiP: dunno how links2 or elinks2 do it. maybe use a ssh tunnel if it's not too big a hassle |
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| 19:29.50 | ws2k3 | whatever.. enjoy ur ego once again |
| 19:30.00 | treebeen | ws2k3: what's the error message you get? |
| 19:30.19 | andref | Hi, one smol question, where is the javaplugin for firefox in java? |
| 19:30.23 | ZeiP | wols_, I don't think that helps... The server is not under my control and I need to make a request from the server itself |
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| 19:30.28 | vlt | Hello. A Question for German Debian users: I want to use pppoeconf to connect to a German ADSL provider (T-Online) but I don't know what to enter as username. Did anyone manage this before? |
| 19:30.29 | andref | *small |
| 19:30.39 | wols_ | ws2k3: not everything written in here is about you. and: /msg dpkg volunteer |
| 19:30.41 | ws2k3 | treebeen i dont recieve any error just get the login screen again |
| 19:30.45 | valdyn | vlt: the provider gives you the username |
| 19:31.04 | treebeen | ws2k3: you have cookies enabled? |
| 19:31.20 | ws2k3 | dont know |
| 19:31.22 | abrotman | petemc: have you ever thought about '/nick mcpete' ? |
| 19:31.23 | andref | Hi, one small question, where is the javaplugin for firefox in java? |
| 19:31.28 | wols_ | valdyn: no it's more complicated than that. and they don't really :) |
| 19:31.33 | valdyn | vlt: heres an example 1und1/2111-393@online.de |
| 19:31.34 | ws2k3 | but wtf i change the langewhich and i'm logged in.. |
| 19:31.42 | treebeen | ws2k3: no "access denied" or something? |
| 19:31.44 | wols_ | valdyn: wrong ISP |
| 19:31.50 | vlt | valdyn: He gave me several numbers and one password. |
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| 19:32.08 | valdyn | vlt: yea, you string those together |
| 19:32.09 | ws2k3 | no but i'm logged in now |
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| 19:32.16 | epsilon | hooray |
| 19:32.22 | ws2k3 | i changed the langwhich of in the login screen and i'm logged in.. |
| 19:32.24 | valdyn | vlt: i have just that 1&1 example |
| 19:32.34 | treebeen | ws2k3: language? |
| 19:32.45 | wols_ | vlt: you have two long numbers. one probably started with 00? that one goes first. then the other long number. then "0001" for "mitbenutzer nummber", then @t-online.de |
| 19:32.48 | wols_ | that's it |
| 19:33.01 | ws2k3 | yes my english is not that great i allways spell it wrong:P |
| 19:33.20 | wols_ | vlt: "[ANSCHLUSSKENNUNG][TONLINENR]#0001@t-online.de" * "password" |
| 19:33.26 | epsilon | ws2k3: strange issue... possible the browser had wrong site/password something in cache? |
| 19:33.26 | treebeen | ws2k3: weird stuff, ask wols next time ;) |
| 19:33.33 | wols_ | the "#" is not needed |
| 19:33.36 | vlt | wols_: Thanks, I'll try. Do I need to put "#" before the Mitbenutzernummer 0001? |
| 19:33.49 | vlt | wols_: Ah ok, thanks. |
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| 19:33.53 | andref | hi, any idea where is the libjavaplugin_oji.so in java package (I need to make a link for firefox browser? |
| 19:34.10 | abrotman | !tell andref about apt-file |
| 19:34.17 | wols_ | andref: dpkg -L <package> |grep <file you search> |
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| 19:34.33 | valdyn | andref: you just need to install the package, "apt-cache search java plugin" will find it |
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| 19:34.52 | epsilon | sure? I have # and it works |
| 19:35.05 | wols_ | epsilon: I don't and it works as well. hence: not needed |
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| 19:35.13 | epsilon | k |
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| 19:36.01 | vlt | "[ANSCHLUSSKENNUNG][TONLINENR]#0001@t-online.de" * "password" |
| 19:36.04 | vlt | "[ANSCHLUSSKENNUNG][TONLINENR]#0001@t-online.de" * "password" |
| 19:36.14 | abrotman | no? |
| 19:36.24 | andref | thanks valdyn, abrotman, wols |
| 19:36.33 | vlt | sorry (jsut tried to copy it ... |
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| 19:39.17 | gribouille | is it possible to give a name to an anonymous file ? |
| 19:39.39 | wols_ | what is an anonymous file? |
| 19:40.07 | abrotman | nameless ? |
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| 19:40.25 | gribouille | wols_, a file that is still open, but that has no entry in the file system |
| 19:40.25 | wols_ | abrotman: then what are nameless files? stdin/out? or what? |
| 19:40.31 | ws2k3 | treebeen i shall ask wols next time :0 for now thanks for ur help |
| 19:40.55 | treebeen | ws2k3: you're welcome |
| 19:41.05 | adminewb | does dkms have design trouble supporting more than 1 kernel on a given system installation? If not, how can one make 1 "/var/lib/dkms/<module>/<module-version>/build/" directory serve for every kernel? |
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| 19:41.20 | andref | valdyn, abrotman: but there is no package with file libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 19:41.31 | abrotman | andref: in squeeze? |
| 19:41.45 | valdyn | andref: its in non-free |
| 19:41.53 | abrotman | sun-java6-bin |
| 19:41.57 | valdyn | andref: youre looking for the package sun-java6-plugin |
| 19:41.57 | wols_ | sun-java6-plugin |
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| 19:42.25 | abrotman | judd: file libjavaplugin_oji.so --release squeeze --arch i386 |
| 19:42.28 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
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| 19:42.39 | abrotman | judd: use non-free! |
| 19:42.40 | wols_ | gribouille: how did your program open said file handle? |
| 19:43.13 | wols_ | abrotman: packages.debian.org doesn't look into non-free anymore and judd doesn't either due to this |
| 19:43.19 | gribouille | wols_, the program created the file and opened it; then I deleted the file by mistake |
| 19:43.29 | andref | valdyn: there is no such a package in repo |
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| 19:43.39 | valdyn | andref: its in non-free |
| 19:43.41 | valdyn | !non-free |
| 19:43.41 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system run "aptitude search '~i~scontrib'". For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 19:44.22 | abrotman | awesome |
| 19:44.26 | wols_ | gribouille: ls /proc/<pid>/fd |
| 19:44.39 | wols_ | gribouille: ls -l /proc/<pid>/fd rather. that should give you the filename |
| 19:44.50 | gribouille | wols_, the file is /proc/27053/fd/1 |
| 19:44.59 | wols_ | gribouille: that's stdin... |
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| 19:45.10 | gribouille | wols_, no, stdout |
| 19:45.42 | gribouille | wols_, it gives the file name and says that it is deleted |
| 19:45.45 | adminewb | fd/0 is stdin? |
| 19:46.11 | gribouille | adminewb, yes |
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| 19:47.20 | xreal | Anyone using AXEL to download files? Can I give AXEL a list of valid mirrors to download from? |
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| 19:47.36 | gribouille | is it possible to create a hard link to a file using the inode of the file ? |
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| 19:48.54 | adminewb | I'm trying to incorporate a 3rd party kernel module into multiple kernels on debian 6.0. Does dkms have design trouble supporting more than 1 kernel on a given system installation? If not, how can one make 1 build directory "/var/lib/dkms/<module>/<module-version>/build/" serve for every kernel? |
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| 19:50.01 | adminewb | After the first kernel, according to error msgs, dkms seems to want to remove the first installation before going on. |
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| 19:51.30 | frikinz | gribouille: why would you need this? you can get the filename with stat given its inode |
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| 19:51.56 | gribouille | frikinz, no, because I deleted the file |
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| 19:52.53 | frikinz | so there's no more inode |
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| 19:53.07 | frikinz | you delete but maybe not your system? |
| 19:53.35 | gribouille | frikinz, yes there is, because the file is still opened by a program |
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| 19:54.18 | frikinz | gribouille: then you have a hardlink to this file in proc |
| 19:54.28 | frikinz | gribouille: not sure what you are trying to do :) |
| 19:54.43 | frikinz | why don't you copy it? |
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| 20:03.13 | paxed | this is ridiculous: http://paste.debian.net/123104/ |
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| 20:03.53 | abrotman | paxed: you know there was an nvidia transition a few weeks ago ? |
| 20:04.00 | the_batman | I need a tutorial to teach me all about administrating/managing services. What should I google exactly? |
| 20:04.01 | paxed | abrotman: no |
| 20:04.15 | abrotman | the_batman: which services? |
| 20:04.25 | the_batman | daemons* |
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| 20:04.37 | the_batman | im a noob to linux server administration |
| 20:04.46 | the_batman | need to rtfm but don't know what to look for exactly |
| 20:05.00 | frikinz | take one, read its manpage? |
| 20:05.18 | the_batman | lol |
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| 20:05.36 | devil | paxed: i guess you are running testing? |
| 20:05.42 | paxed | devil: yes |
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| 20:06.02 | abrotman | the_batman: which distro are you adminstrating ? |
| 20:06.21 | the_batman | debian 6 |
| 20:06.26 | devil | paxed: nvidia is borked there. delete ALL packages related to nvidia and either install them from sid or squeeze |
| 20:06.42 | the_batman | abrotman:* debian 6 |
| 20:06.43 | devil | paxed: this is due to the multiarch transition |
| 20:06.58 | abrotman | debian.org/doc/ has *lots* of stuff to read |
| 20:07.10 | the_batman | thanks |
| 20:07.14 | babilen | the_batman: I would recommend to read the Debian reference for a good general overview. (/msg dpkg debian reference) But what should your server be able to do? |
| 20:07.34 | the_batman | appreciate it |
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| 20:10.23 | abrotman | waits for robin |
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| 20:11.00 | devil | round robin? |
| 20:11.03 | paxed | devil: ugh. got an url or something about that? |
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| 20:11.17 | devil | paxed: about the b0rkenenss? |
| 20:11.31 | paxed | devil: yes |
| 20:11.54 | devil | paxed: hm, i had some when it was b0rken in sid, some weeks ago |
| 20:12.06 | devil | paxed: but you can trust me :) |
| 20:12.31 | paxed | anyway, i had not heard anything about this... not that i follow debian things very closely, but still. |
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| 20:12.49 | devil | paxed: ask any regular here |
| 20:13.05 | devil | nvidia and fglrx,same story |
| 20:13.33 | devil | we even had it in the topic |
| 20:13.40 | paxed | so how do i got about installing just the nvidia stuff from sid? |
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| 20:13.56 | paxed | yes, well, i'm on too many channels as it is, and i'm here only when things go pear shaped. |
| 20:14.02 | devil | paxed: add sid to sources.list |
| 20:14.10 | paxed | and, surprisingly, usually due to nvidia. |
| 20:14.12 | babilen | paxed: You might also be interested in a new channel for wheezy/sid users/problems. It is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and we hear about bokred nvidia several times a day. I would recommend to come over there and devil and I will help you to pull it from sid. |
| 20:14.56 | devil | good plan. |
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| 20:23.32 | Serjs | Hi all, can someone help me with quotas? I have error quotacheck: Skipping /dev/disk/by-uuid/<MYUUID> [/] when i try to check quotas |
| 20:23.49 | Serjs | grpquota,usrquota is present in fstab |
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| 20:27.31 | devil | Serjs: UUID is correct? |
| 20:27.44 | Serjs | @devil mm yep |
| 20:28.02 | Serjs | in fstab UUID=3db163e8-21dd-478c-9d96-19ab7cc01336 |
| 20:28.08 | Serjs | quotacheck: Skipping /dev/disk/by-uuid/3db163e8-21dd-478c-9d96-19ab7cc01336 [/] |
| 20:28.27 | devil | ok |
| 20:28.38 | Serjs | fs is xfs =/ |
| 20:28.49 | devil | <MYUUID> looked a bit strange to me |
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| 20:28.54 | Serjs | i have 2 servers with ext4 and i haven't this problem |
| 20:29.05 | Serjs | <MYUUID> = my uuid |
| 20:29.20 | Serjs | i wrote my uuid upper |
| 20:29.47 | Serjs | also i have raid1 but with ext4 w raid1 there is no problems |
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| 20:34.41 | Raccoon1400 | since google+ doesn't seem to work with firefox 3.5, which is included with the stable release, I need to upgrade. Where can I find the package for the latest firefox? |
| 20:35.31 | abrotman | Raccoon1400: mozilla.debian.net |
| 20:35.36 | devil | Raccoon1400: iceweasel 5 is in sid. there is also mozilla-debian repo for iw6 / iw7 |
| 20:36.22 | abrotman | he should really use mozilla.debian.net .. those packages are made for squeeze |
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| 20:48.48 | lahwran | I found "udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.26, not started. ... failed!" on my serial console - uname -a shows me as running 2.6.18-238.12.1.el5xen |
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| 20:49.24 | lahwran | I'm pretty sure I upgraded the kernel package, however |
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| 20:52.45 | lahwran | so, I think I need to get a xen kernel, and then figure out where my kernel is currently being booted from and change it to use the newer one |
| 20:53.26 | lahwran | that, or I could redo the upgrade and not upgrade udev |
| 20:53.34 | lahwran | sounds like it's asking for trouble though |
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| 21:09.46 | mmu_man | bzcat is not available on the system |
| 21:09.55 | mmu_man | ^^ testing CD seems to be broken |
| 21:10.32 | craigevil | mmu_man, see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=633782 |
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| 21:12.33 | adminewb | Anything I can do in the sysfs or procfs to halt the 10sec period polling of an unused HDMI port, to stop this sludge filling my consoles & logs? http://paste.debian.net/123107/ |
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| 21:15.17 | mmu_man | craigevil: looks like it |
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| 21:17.28 | Tigerboy | Don't seem to be able to get a net connection in debian squeeze- recovery mode -- even though it works fine on the same once booted |
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| 21:19.30 | Tigerboy | which is a question if anyone happens to know |
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| 21:20.07 | dbb0 | Tigerboy: is the networking init script disabled in that runlevel |
| 21:20.31 | Phosphenes | Is foo just a generic term for any program? |
| 21:21.42 | adminewb | someone know the significance of one of these events? http://paste.debian.net/123109/ |
| 21:22.35 | dbb0 | Phosphenes: 'foo' is a generic term for just about anything. that's what makes it so generic. |
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| 21:23.12 | Phosphenes | Okay, thanks. |
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| 21:23.30 | wols_ | Phosphenes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo |
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| 21:24.07 | Phosphenes | Oh, I thought it was just a Debian term. I had never heard it before I stared using. |
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| 21:26.18 | Bushmills | there were thoughts about designing program compilers with the capability to derive the context of variables used, so any var could be called "foo" |
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| 21:31.20 | bluephoenix47 | I just installed sid, using dm-crypt? to encrypt /tmp, swap, and /home. booting up for the first time, and the boot freezes on "Begin: waiting for encrypted source device... ...". Any thoughts? |
| 21:31.32 | bluephoenix47 | s/sid/stable/ |
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| 21:33.06 | adminewb | Anything I can do to halt the 10sec period polling of an unused HDMI port, to stop this sludge filling my consoles & logs? http://paste.debian.net/123107/ |
| 21:34.24 | adminewb | though it's referring to a port in the IGP, I don't think there are BIOS settings to disable just that port |
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| 21:41.02 | adminewb | someone know the significance of one of these random events? http://paste.debian.net/123109 |
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| 21:42.15 | Tigerboy | dbb0: networkmanager runs and seems to load a process-- gives me back a prompt and networking seems to take "start" but it doesn't start -- works fine once I boot to gnome |
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| 21:42.48 | mmu_man | craigevil: workaround seems to work |
| 21:44.19 | jhutchins_lt | bluephoenix47: You might find more experienced sid users on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:44.40 | wqedit | jhutchins_lt: thanks |
| 21:45.06 | wqedit | and for other talks what is the channel #debian-... |
| 21:45.12 | wqedit | ? |
| 21:45.19 | bluephoenix47 | it's not sid. It's squeeze. I don't know why I said sid.. reading too many forums I guess |
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| 21:46.00 | jhutchins_lt | Tigerboy: You need a front end to control networkmanager. There are gui apps for kde and gnome and a command line app. If it's a static, non-roaming system you don't need NM and can just use interfaces. |
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| 21:46.40 | jhutchins_lt | bluephoenix47: Did you rebuild the initrd with crypt support? |
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| 21:47.07 | bluephoenix47 | jhutchins_lt: perhaps not? I just followed the installer |
| 21:47.26 | mathbr | Hi. Is Synaptic broken in Unstable for others too? It starts really quick, no packages whatsoever and takes quite a lot of CPU. Iâd assume itâs related to the recent libgtk upgrade but I cannot downgrade. |
| 21:47.56 | sherl0ck | hey is there a debian installer iso that has support for full disk encryption?? |
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| 21:48.52 | Tigerboy | jhutchins_lt: thanks -- the problem is i'm trying to get wired networking to work in recovery mode (squeeze) |
| 21:49.43 | bluephoenix47 | How can I rebuild the initrd image? I'm in a resuce shell and have the root mounted from there |
| 21:50.31 | Phosphenes | How do I add myself to the sudoers file? |
| 21:51.19 | dbb0 | Phosphenes: visudo |
| 21:51.21 | jhutchins_lt | Tigerboy: You'll have to issue the commands manually (or install a console interface for nm. |
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| 21:52.10 | dbb0 | Tigerboy: /etc/init.d/networking start |
| 21:52.10 | qwedit | sherl0ck: http://madduck.net/docs/cryptdisk/ Setting up an encrypted Debian system |
| 21:52.10 | jhutchins_lt | Tigerboy: man iwconfig |
| 21:52.12 | adminewb | scenario: trying to configure hibernate (which flavor? still a mystery) to write its image to a swap partition not actually activated, ignoring one that is active, while also keeping a custom grub2 boot menu, which is not on (6.0)debian's /boot file system. Using "RESUME=/dev/sd<x>" in file /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume, with a counterpart "resume=/dev/sd<x>" added to the grub2 linux command. How to diagnose? Thoughts? |
| 21:52.17 | Tigerboy | jhutchins_lt: so i can't just run networking start |
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| 21:52.44 | Tigerboy | jhutchins_lt: happen to know of a good command line interface |
| 21:52.55 | jhutchins_lt | Tigerboy: man iwconfig |
| 21:53.20 | Tigerboy | jhutchins_lt: is that for wireless? |
| 21:53.51 | jhutchins_lt | Tigerboy: Yes. |
| 21:53.53 | mathbr | Oh, and quitting Synaptic always results in a segfault. |
| 21:53.56 | jhutchins_lt | Tigerboy: see also cnetworkmanager |
| 21:54.06 | th0r | Tigerboy: from the command line you can use iwconfig to configure the wifi, and ifconfig to configure the network |
| 21:54.08 | dbb0 | Tigerboy: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant |
| 21:54.25 | dvs | bluephoenix47: update-initramfs |
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| 21:54.45 | sherl0ck | qwedit: thanks - i was looking to just use the installer, can you or anyone point me to an iso that I can use for install time full disk encryption? - i could find one, and shaw no options for it in expert install |
| 21:55.27 | Tigerboy | jhutchins_lt: dbb0: thank you.. I should have been clear... I am trying to get wired networking working in recovery mode-- |
| 21:55.29 | jhutchins_lt | sherl0ck: There is no click-and-go setup. You have to read the howtos. |
| 21:55.47 | jhutchins_lt | Tigerboy: Yes, we understand. |
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| 21:56.02 | jhutchins_lt | Tigerboy: The answers we've given you will let you get it working. |
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| 21:56.13 | adminewb | incidentally, after the /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume setting was made I ran "sudo update-initramfs -u -k all" |
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| 21:56.29 | jhutchins_lt | Tigerboy: You haven't told us what kind of wifi it is, but the answers still apply. |
| 21:56.34 | Tigerboy | jhutchins_lt: thank you. cnetworking looks great I will try it |
| 21:57.10 | dbb0 | Tigerboy: man interfaces |
| 21:57.20 | Tigerboy | jhutchins_lt: not wifi-- wired -- regular ethernet which works fine if you boot to gnome but not when you use recovery |
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| 21:59.03 | bluephoenix47 | dvs: Ok, I'm not sure why I need this command or how to use it. I didn't encrypted and already in use drive, I installed from a netinstaller, wiping the drive and redoing the partitions.. several of them encrypted. Presumably the installation already built an initram although possible without the correct values? |
| 21:59.30 | th0r | Tigerboy: in gnome the network manager controls the ethernet card. In recovery mode nothing 'gnome' is running. You can configure the network with ifconfig |
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| 22:03.02 | Tigerboy | th0r: the network is all saved on the system...why would it not boot in 1 the same way |
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| 22:03.38 | grawity | Possibly stupid question: Why does 'apt-get' suddenly download updates (mainly from http://security.debian.org/) at 32 kB/s despite the connection being at least 4 MB/s? |
| 22:04.12 | Bushmills | because the route the packets go is slow |
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| 22:05.50 | adminewb | trying to configure hibernate (which flavor? still a mystery) to write its image to a swap partition not activated, ignoring one that is mounted, while also keeping a custom grub2 boot menu, which is not on (6.0)debian's /boot file system. Using "RESUME=/dev/sd<x>" in file /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume, with a counterpart "resume=/dev/sd<x>" added to the grub2 linux command. How to diagnose? |
| 22:06.11 | adminewb | can't even tell what script Logout >> Hibernate button runs. |
| 22:06.49 | adminewb | xfce 4.6 desktop, btw |
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| 22:15.45 | nsadmin | I have this thing: 04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller [14e4:4727] (rev 01) which judd thinks this: |
| 22:16.04 | nsadmin | , pciid [14e4:4727] |
| 22:16.05 | judd | [14e4:4727] is 'BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'brcm80211' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4727 http://wiki.debian.org/wl http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
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| 22:16.47 | nsadmin | I try to modprobe wl and modprobe says not found, do I b uild it? |
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| 22:17.18 | dvs | nsadmin: http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
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| 22:18.20 | nsadmin | oh wait, I did modprobe of the other thing, brcm80211 |
| 22:18.35 | nsadmin | and now I have wlan0 |
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| 22:30.00 | subuser | i was wondering , have a few documents that are in a .chm format/compiled html i guess rom window's - and fors the last 5 years, when wanting to view one of these file's, the only viewer i could find was a kchmviewer package for gnome |
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| 22:30.34 | subuser | do you know of a package for this that comes with gnome or maybe something even less, like xpdf does? |
| 22:31.05 | Bushmills | chmsee |
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| 22:32.03 | subuser | oh, excellent |
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| 22:33.12 | Bushmills | or unpack them to html. there's a program for that, but i forgot its name |
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| 22:33.55 | Bushmills | archmage |
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| 22:35.13 | Tigerboy | ha making progress-- I am not clear on the apt-get vus aptitude... scripts are telling me to pick one or the other. always used apt-get is it fine to stick with that or am I losing something in Debian if I don't move to aptitude? I have been told that mixing the two is not good. |
| 22:35.36 | subuser | i wish i would have known about that earlier - i had to downloaded about 90 mb of kde files for the kchmviewer :) |
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| 22:36.44 | Bushmills | shit happens |
| 22:36.59 | valdyn | Tigerboy: mixing the 2 has unexpected side effects unless you know the differences |
| 22:37.17 | valdyn | Tigerboy: nothing wrong with sticking to apt-get |
| 22:37.40 | Tigerboy | valdyn: I assume that has to do with aptitude not using the apt/preferences file ? |
| 22:37.51 | twock | I have a conflict between nvidia and mesa versions of glx that prevents me from using certain programs. Has anyone else experienced this? |
| 22:38.14 | Tigerboy | valdyn: thanks that was my main worry that I wasn't taking a second best choice with apt |
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| 22:38.34 | valdyn | Tigerboy: aptitude has packages marked as auto-installed which it will remove automatically when no longer needed by something else |
| 22:40.02 | Tigerboy | valdyn: this one deb wiki says aptitude is a text based front end for apt... But as you see it goes and does it's own thing to an extent. |
| 22:40.36 | Tigerboy | valdyn: so aptitude might be thought of as a somewhat improved apt |
| 22:40.40 | valdyn | Tigerboy: libapt maybe, not apt-get |
| 22:40.56 | valdyn | Tigerboy: yes, "improved" |
| 22:40.58 | Tigerboy | valdyn: its says apt-get |
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| 22:41.13 | valdyn | Tigerboy: the improved thing is where it gets problematic |
| 22:41.27 | valdyn | Tigerboy: apt-get dependency resolution is dumb |
| 22:41.27 | Tigerboy | valdyn: i mostly have used apt-get and sometimes jump to synaptic |
| 22:41.49 | Tigerboy | valdyn: i see now thanks so much, now I think I understand. |
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| 22:41.56 | valdyn | Tigerboy: which means its behaviour is more deterministic for you and it doesnt do some very odd things that aptitude might do |
| 22:42.17 | valdyn | Tigerboy: but apt-get needs "help" with dependency resolution more often |
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| 22:43.08 | Tigerboy | valdyn: so aptitude is better with keeping track of things and handling dependencies. I'm new to raw deb and already have a rather complex sources and preferences file after just 24 hours |
| 22:43.09 | twock | My problems started after a recent upgrade. |
| 22:43.37 | valdyn | twock: those 2 glx versions are selected by update-alternatives |
| 22:43.46 | valdyn | twock: post squeeze |
| 22:43.57 | valdyn | twock: at squeeze you cannot have both installed at a time iirc |
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| 22:44.45 | valdyn | twock: err, wrong, you can have both installed at a time but nvidia-glx just diverts mesa |
| 22:45.20 | valdyn | twock: but... state your actual problem |
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| 22:57.01 | genfool | I have a sound issue with xbmc, It starts at 100% volume, I adjust the level, next song comes on and jumps to 100% again, any idea what I am missing? |
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| 22:57.47 | twock | valdyn: Um, that is my problem. I need nvidiaglx to use the nvidia driver for X |
| 22:58.14 | twock | valdyn: but other progs require the mesa lib |
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| 23:06.09 | mrbean | hello I get this email weekly from a cron job: |
| 23:06.12 | mrbean | http://pastebin.com/be9zAgxi |
| 23:06.28 | mrbean | this was after I updated to debian squeeze |
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| 23:06.39 | mrbean | what aholud i change in webalizer? |
| 23:07.09 | mrbean | what should I change in webalizer? |
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| 23:09.28 | Steaven | mrbean i have no idea. Did you find anything in google about that? |
| 23:09.50 | mrbean | I google months ago and didnt find anything, now im giving it another try. |
| 23:11.48 | boudiccas | mrbean; how long has it been going on for? a month, two months? |
| 23:11.54 | Phosphenes | If I'm upgrading to unstable, do I delete references to all updates or just security updates in the sources.list? |
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| 23:13.12 | Phosphenes | There isn't any unstable-updates section on the mirror I'm using. |
| 23:13.18 | boudiccas | mrbean; i take it that the disc has got some errors and they're increasing. i'd be inclined to buy another h/d and install on that and then just use the current h/d as a potentially dodgy one |
| 23:13.36 | devil | Phosphenes: depends what you want. if you want to track just unstable, commet or delete the others. if you do, please, for future problems, join #debian-next on oftc |
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| 23:14.05 | Phosphenes | Thanks. |
| 23:14.13 | mrbean | going on for months since I updated to squeeze |
| 23:14.17 | devil | Phosphenes: and unstsble just needs on line (or 2, if you want src) |
| 23:14.50 | subuser | so i wonder if the so.6 (the .6) get added automatically with the -lc or not |
| 23:15.00 | subuser | that would be the so name, i yeah |
| 23:15.10 | mrbean | I think it has to do with the compile options of webalizer. I'm using the package |
| 23:15.11 | Steaven | When i look for "PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery" in google its show up over different programs. That looks for me like a system wide problem like hardware i.e harddrive problems or things like no disc space ect. |
| 23:15.13 | ompaul | Phosphenes: as for the mirror issue, if you are going from 6 to unstable you should have updates - so your choice is bad if you have none consider http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ sid |
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| 23:15.40 | ompaul | Phosphenes: and if you don't understand that you are not ready for unstable ;-) |
| 23:15.52 | mrbean | I have 30GB free, I'll keep an eye on the disk thank you. |
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| 23:16.00 | ompaul | Phosphenes: unstable can and does break ;-) |
| 23:16.36 | Phosphenes | Cool, thanks. |
| 23:17.50 | subuser | maybe it just serches for the -lc followed by an .so and if there is none exactly like that, adds a .6 to it? |
| 23:18.51 | Steaven | boudiccas i think mrbean had some hardware problems too^^ |
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| 23:19.46 | subuser | it's a big subject, that seems peculiar to me, i read through verious documentation about the process so far to get a basic understanding, but it seems like an unwritten addend to wha i read |
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| 23:21.35 | subuser | what i was expecting is there'd be a linker name there that would be libc.so with no versioning information, that points to libc.so.6, which in turn points to libc-2.11.2.so |
| 23:21.40 | subuser | oh mis |
| 23:22.14 | Steaven | subuser wrote in a wrong window? heh |
| 23:22.21 | subuser | :notes to change windows lol |
| 23:22.23 | subuser | yes |
| 23:22.35 | subuser | i was discussing how the linker resolves symbols like -lc |
| 23:22.39 | Steaven | i started to understand about what you are talking xD |
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| 23:22.50 | Steaven | kk |
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| 23:24.59 | kunwon1 | my debian server just restarted and i don't know why, how can i find out? |
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| 23:26.12 | petemc | kunwon1: check syslog and messages |
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| 23:28.07 | kunwon1 | hmm, nothing in there seems relevant petemc |
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| 23:28.53 | oobe | what's the name or term for when your mouse and keyboard grab control of certain events |
| 23:28.55 | oobe | I cant remember |
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| 23:29.04 | oobe | and i need to in order to google somthing |
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| 23:35.35 | subuser | when i was playing with iptable's rules awhile ago, or scanning my computer's to see whether or not they are actually working - i noticed that the log file's get ungodly large - so what i did was to remove /var/log/messages /var/log/kern.log and /var/log/syslog hoping to start from scratch - one day after i did that, nothing at all was logged anymore |
| 23:36.00 | subuser | is there a way i could truncate those file's without breaking the logging facilities? |
| 23:39.22 | subuser | i'm not sure if maybe the file descriptor used by the facilities maybe become irrelevant or it ws appending to a non-existant file, but i didn't have the ability to see if they were failing, i'm guessing maybe restarting those facilities would cuse them to open or create a nonexistant file (new file) so they can continue? |
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| 23:41.26 | abrotman | subuser: you have to restart the logging service |
| 23:41.36 | abrotman | subuser: and those log files get rotated daily or weekly |
| 23:41.40 | subuser | perfect, thanks |
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| 23:53.02 | subuser | in the linking examples i've used so far, i just used -lc and it found it, otherwise i would understand it like that |
| 23:54.21 | subuser | maybe it only searches for the string libc.so and ignores the .6? that's one possibility i see |
| 23:55.46 | abrotman | in the who ? |
| 23:55.48 | abrotman | oh |
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| 23:59.23 | subuser | it probably doesn't have to be in the same directory too, but the program ldconfig, from what i understand, searches through directories of shared libraries and adds those links where they are |
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| 23:59.47 | subuser | but the linker name's are to be handled by a local script or a programmer themselves |
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