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| 00:05.20 | rypervenche | I'm having trouble playing an mms address in ffplay. It used to work when I was using Squeeze, but no longer plays in Wheezy, both are from the Debian-multimedia repos. Are they supported here? The address in question is mmsh://bcr.media.hinet.net/RA000072 |
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| 00:06.42 | kandinski | I have installed a sarge chroot, and after mounting proc, sys, dev and activating the chroot I get the chroot shell, but apt-get is not installed. How can I complete the chroot install? |
| 00:07.41 | tensorpudding | sarge? |
| 00:08.16 | tensorpudding | you do know that sarge has been unsupported for a few years now? |
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| 00:09.04 | kandinski | tensorpudding: I am doing it to migrate an old sarge server to more modern hardware/software |
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| 00:09.19 | kandinski | but yeah, first I clone the old server in a chroot, then I start moving things out of the chroot |
| 00:09.45 | tensorpudding | are you sure that your $PATH is set up? |
| 00:09.48 | tensorpudding | check /usr/bin |
| 00:09.50 | kandinski | it's very crumbly perl written in an unmaintainable manner (ie by hacking straight on the production code in the server) |
| 00:10.26 | kandinski | no apt-get binary in /usr/bin |
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| 00:10.47 | kandinski | dpkg -l does work, so $PATH is set up |
| 00:10.48 | dpkg | ii does work, so $PATH is set up 3.8-4 kandinski's private gamp collection |
| 00:11.01 | tensorpudding | your debootstrap probably failed |
| 00:11.03 | Elive_user86_en | I am trying to set SHMConfig to true. There is a: Option "SHMConfig" |
| 00:11.04 | kandinski | sorry about that |
| 00:11.05 | tensorpudding | apt-get should be in there |
| 00:11.13 | kandinski | so repeat debootstrap then |
| 00:11.14 | kandinski | thanks |
| 00:11.28 | stew | i'd install apt and aptitude and run "aptitude install '~E' '~prequired' '~pimportant'" |
| 00:11.39 | kandinski | so dpkg the boot understood my "dpkg -l" to be a command instead of a mention |
| 00:11.41 | Elive_user86_en | Just adding "true" after a space did not work. |
| 00:12.01 | Elive_user86_en | How do I enable it? |
| 00:12.50 | stew | Elive_user86_en: option "SHMConfig" "on" |
| 00:13.21 | Elive_user86_en | stew: I'll go try it. |
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| 00:14.10 | stew | oh, true is the same as on |
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| 00:14.28 | stew | so 'option "SHMConfig" "true"' should work as well |
| 00:15.02 | Elive_user86_en | I tried that, and it didn't work. |
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| 00:16.54 | th0r | Elive_user86_en: that is an X config option, right? did you restart X after making the change? |
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| 00:17.37 | Elive_user86_en | I reebooted the system. |
| 00:17.50 | Elive_user86_en | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:20.48 | Elive_user86_en | That was in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 00:24.38 | stew | Elive_user86_en: why are you trying to turn this on in the first place? |
| 00:25.21 | Elive_user86_en | My touchpad makes typing almost impossible. I need to be able to disable it. |
| 00:27.29 | stew | Elive_user86_en: what version of xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is installed? |
| 00:27.49 | stew | Elive_user86_en: the documentation on recent versions say that option doesn't do anything anymore |
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| 00:28.33 | Elive_user86_en | What would you suggest to disable it? |
| 00:29.13 | stew | Elive_user86_en: you want to disable the device completely? |
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| 00:29.34 | Elive_user86_en | Yes. |
| 00:29.36 | stew | Elive_user86_en: in what way does it affect your typing? |
| 00:30.04 | stew | what version of xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is installed? |
| 00:30.24 | Elive_user86_en | If my hand brushes it, it moves the curser. annoying if you don;t look up often. |
| 00:30.48 | Elive_user86_en | stew: How do I check? |
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| 00:31.18 | stew | Elive_user86_en: dpkg -l xserver-xorg-input-synaptics |
| 00:31.34 | stew | Elive_user86_en: what version of debian is this? |
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| 00:32.57 | Elive_user86_en | I am using the current elive. Debian based? |
| 00:33.07 | stew | Elive_user86_en: oh, you are in the wrong channel then |
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| 00:34.26 | Elive_user86_en | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:40.52 | gnarface | Elive_user86_en: well we are happy to help you fix the problem by installing debian though |
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| 00:43.38 | Elive_user86_en | My xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is 0.14.7~git20070706-3 |
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| 00:46.26 | gnarface | Elive_user86_en: i got a suggestion for you. download the current debian livecd and try to fix it on there first |
| 00:48.06 | Elive_user86_en | I guess I can try that. I came here because I thought any Debian-based system should be about the same. |
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| 00:49.06 | gnarface | Elive_user86_en: they *are* about the same but the core difference is usually that some jackass wanted the latest version of some feature so bad he/she pushed a broken package into production on the non-debian version |
| 00:50.17 | Elive_user86_en | Hmmm ... That sounds plausable. |
| 00:50.44 | gnarface | Elive_user86_en: therefore, around here you gotta prove you got the problem in a *Debian* version, on a pure Debian system, before anyone will bother helping you. You understand the importance of this channel specifically prohibiting support for other Distro's flaws right? |
| 00:51.45 | Elive_user86_en | OK, I'll go download it. Thanks. |
| 00:52.00 | gnarface | good luck |
| 00:52.45 | Elive_user86_en | Thanks |
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| 01:06.37 | sh4g0 | some one know why Debian dont recognizes the inetrmet by ethternet? |
| 01:06.47 | centHOGG | ? |
| 01:08.18 | sh4g0 | somebody knows so that Debian does not recognize my wire Internet |
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| 01:12.24 | gnarface | sh4g0 needs to learn how to state some relevant facts |
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| 01:15.23 | ggoes | sh4g0: Try disabling your wireless card, if one is present. That's the only situation that sort of thing has happened to me in. |
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| 01:24.19 | boudiccas | is xchat still under active development please? |
| 01:25.34 | cromag | i would say yes |
| 01:25.52 | cromag | last patch post is from 2nd july. |
| 01:25.56 | cromag | june* |
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| 01:27.35 | boudiccas | cromag; i'd heard somewhere, i forget where, that it was only being developed now on windows and was now shareware |
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| 01:28.32 | centHOGG | shareware? |
| 01:28.43 | boudiccas | yes |
| 01:29.22 | phogg | no |
| 01:29.44 | phogg | If someone tried it would be forked in about 10 seconds, so no. |
| 01:29.58 | phogg | boudiccas: there is an "official" xchat for windows port which is shareware. Has been for years. |
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| 01:30.51 | etorix_ | Sivan & Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Schmuel, Oded Ellner & Omer Marmari |
| 01:32.31 | etorix_ | dances |
| 01:32.32 | etorix_ | lol @ burning cows |
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| 01:35.08 | etorix_ | can you smell the ROAST BEEF? |
| 01:36.09 | boudiccas | etorix_; what is that list of names that you posted please? |
| 01:36.34 | etorix_ | daaance the night away |
| 01:36.38 | CyL | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:37.14 | CyL | Any advice please? |
| 01:37.26 | centHOGG | did it work before? |
| 01:37.31 | etorix_ | Sivan & Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Schmuel, Oded Ellner & Omer Marmari |
| 01:37.55 | boudiccas | etorix_; yes, thats the list. what is it please? |
| 01:38.03 | centHOGG | bot |
| 01:38.12 | CyL | centHOGG: yes, it worked for sometime, but only on a particular AP |
| 01:38.22 | etorix_ | GoOglE is your fRiEnD! |
| 01:38.35 | etorix_ | shhhh! |
| 01:39.05 | centHOGG | CyL: if you try another LiveCd on this system it works ok? |
| 01:39.14 | centHOGG | verify hardware |
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| 01:39.38 | etorix_ | lol boudiccas ... daaaance the night away! |
| 01:39.59 | etorix_ | plays klezmer |
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| 01:40.15 | etorix_ | THEY ARE THE MOSSAD AGENTS SENT TO FILM 9/11 |
| 01:40.16 | CyL | centHOGG: I believe hardware is working fine, since it can detect the AP within range |
| 01:40.22 | lolufail | hi! |
| 01:40.25 | etorix_ | Sivan & Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Schmuel, Oded Ellner & Omer Marmari |
| 01:40.37 | CyL | !ops |
| 01:40.38 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 01:40.41 | etorix_ | lol |
| 01:40.41 | centHOGG | idk |
| 01:40.51 | etorix_ | how ya doin boudiccas |
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| 01:41.15 | lolufail | how do I create /dev/ nodes for patitions inside a LVM-LV? |
| 01:41.30 | lolufail | "there's an app for that", but i forgot the name |
| 01:41.53 | boudiccas | gparted? |
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| 01:42.57 | lolufail | no, e.g. I put in /dev/mapper/some-lv, and get /dev/mapper/some-lv-p0, /dev/mapper/some-lv-p1, etc... |
| 01:43.02 | etorix_ | ×ת ×פרע×ש×× ×©× ×××£ ××××× ××××ת ×ת×× ×¤× ×××עת ש×× |
| 01:43.04 | Lost_Cause | gparted should do it. just don't earse his boot loader |
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| 01:43.26 | CyL | lolufail: lvcreate ? |
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| 01:44.50 | lolufail | CyL: lvcreate creates lvs, I already have a lv, which inself holds a standard partition table. and those partitions I want to access |
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| 01:45.36 | CyL | lolufail: vgchange -a y ? |
| 01:46.05 | centHOGG | they got lvm videos on youtube |
| 01:46.30 | centHOGG | idk how in depth |
| 01:48.13 | CyL | lolufail: "vgchange -a y" should make all your lv's on all the available vg's available, you also should try "vgscan" |
| 01:49.08 | lolufail | the lv is already there... but it has partitions inside |
| 01:49.19 | lolufail | udev doesnt create /dev nodes for that |
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| 01:51.11 | CyL | lolufail: mknode create device nodes, but you should know other details to be able to use it |
| 01:51.28 | kandinski | installing a i386 sarge chroot under amd_64 squeeze: do I need to do it the --foreign then --second-stage method? I ask because twice I have installed it only to find apt-get was not present in the chroot. |
| 01:51.59 | lolufail | found it |
| 01:52.08 | lolufail | p kpartx - create device mappings for partitions |
| 01:52.16 | kandinski | I am using http://archive.debian.org/debian as the mirror |
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| 01:54.52 | etorix_ | good name |
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| 02:13.09 | benoitldr | hi everybody i want to dl the x64 version of debian stable where I can get it ? |
| 02:13.17 | benoitldr | i found ia64 ? |
| 02:14.30 | Tramp | !amd64 |
| 02:14.30 | dpkg | amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are AMD64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
| 02:14.49 | benoitldr | ok so which is the best option ? |
| 02:15.12 | Tramp | !best |
| 02:15.13 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 02:15.13 | benoitldr | i386 normal or amd64 for a physical x64 intel processor ? |
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| 02:15.29 | centHOGG | amd64 |
| 02:15.42 | benoitldr | ok thanks |
| 02:16.12 | Tramp | I'd stick with i386 unless I'd have a special need to run a 64bit distribution |
| 02:16.55 | kandinski | Tramp: that interests me too, I am migrating a web server with a hairy perl application, all in 32bit |
| 02:17.05 | IceWewe | Why? There is no advantage to running 32-bit anymore. |
| 02:17.07 | IceWewe | Run 64-bit. |
| 02:17.19 | kandinski | Tramp: what would you describe as a "special need" to run 64bit? |
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| 02:17.42 | IceWewe | kandinski, access to more than 4GB of memory; cryptographic libraries that are designed to run on 64-bit CPUs |
| 02:17.56 | IceWewe | really, there is no reason not to run 64-bit anymore. |
| 02:18.04 | IceWewe | Unless the hardware physically cannot |
| 02:18.21 | kandinski | IceWewe: thanks |
| 02:18.24 | Bop | IceWewe, its possible to run more than 4GB on 32bit systems |
| 02:18.30 | IceWewe | Bop, yes, but PAE is a pain |
| 02:18.36 | Bop | why is a pain ? |
| 02:18.37 | IceWewe | and you take a huge performance hit |
| 02:18.53 | kandinski | I'll repeat my earlier question, I am floundering a bit: |
| 02:19.04 | IceWewe | Bop, IIRC 32-bit apps will only be able to access up to 3 and a bit gigabytes of memory, regardless of how much your PAE system has |
| 02:19.08 | IceWewe | because it's a 32-bit system |
| 02:19.20 | kandinski | installing a i386 sarge chroot under amd_64 squeeze: do I need to do it the --foreign then --second-stage method? I ask because twice I have installed it only to find apt-get was not present in the chroot. |
| 02:19.59 | kandinski | this is how I am installing it currently: # debootstrap --arch=i386 sarge sarge-root http://archive.debian.org/debian |
| 02:20.25 | kandinski | (this is to migrate a legacy app on a 32bit sarge server, so yeah, it has to be 32bit sarge) |
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| 02:25.59 | etorix_ | etorix_: |
| 02:26.06 | krisfremen | hmm, is there a way to see which clients are connected to a vnc server? |
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| 02:36.37 | sunscreen | is there any web software that will let you authenticate users and add a firewall rules for their originating ip address |
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| 02:37.06 | centHOGG | webmin |
| 02:37.07 | th0r | sunscreen: don't know if it will help, but I once did a little research on port knocking |
| 02:37.48 | Bop | port knocking i use knock |
| 02:37.52 | Bop | knock / knockd |
| 02:37.55 | sunscreen | tnx i will look up the subject |
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| 02:43.19 | jmarsden | krisfremen: ss -4t dport = :5900 # Or something close to that |
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| 02:53.20 | hedos_ | Hello. I just upgraded from etch to lenny, but this seems to have messed up my latex installation. I can't compile my old .tex files anymore, I get missing packages, for example "ncccomma.sty" or "enumitem.sty" will be missing. |
| 02:53.23 | hedos_ | Any idea how to fix this? |
| 02:56.36 | shauno | hedos_: sounds like you're missing texlive-latex-extra ? |
| 02:57.03 | hedos_ | shauno: I see, let me try that |
| 02:57.03 | abrotman | !apt-file |
| 02:57.03 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
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| 02:57.32 | hedos_ | abrotman: that's neat, thanks :) |
| 02:58.44 | shauno | didn't know about that either. I used packages.d.o |
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| 03:03.04 | sunscreen | hm th0r bit to complex for the end user port knocking |
| 03:04.14 | sunscreen | i think i need something more like a captive portal that just adds iptable rules or programs the router upon successful authentication |
| 03:05.48 | sunscreen | wouldnt that be a neato php function |
| 03:06.32 | sunscreen | program_router( LINK_SYS, SSH,$firewall_add_commands); |
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| 03:13.33 | mrdeb | can someone help with network manager |
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| 03:13.43 | Lost_Cause | i just started to try to install dropbox. it seems a to require more work than its worth |
| 03:14.15 | karlpinc | !tell Lost_Cause about dropbox |
| 03:14.34 | mrdeb | i cant get network manager to share the connection over eth0. it doesnt connect |
| 03:14.43 | mrdeb | it works in ubuntu. what did i not instal |
| 03:15.46 | Lost_Cause | karlpinc: i use it one my windows machince and i love it. but it doesn't seem very linux friendly |
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| 03:16.31 | mrdeb | hello? |
| 03:16.57 | centHOGG | h |
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| 03:19.20 | mrdeb | can soeone help |
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| 03:21.21 | karlpinc | mrdeb: If no one answers try again after a while. |
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| 03:21.35 | gnarface | mrdeb: i can't help you with network manager but i can advise you to stop using it and just edit the config by hand |
| 03:21.53 | karlpinc | gnarface: We're too late, he's gone. |
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| 03:23.15 | Lost_Cause | if your going to use linux wouldn't it be expected that you can read a sample config file and make it work for you |
| 03:24.39 | gnarface | Lost_Cause: knowing how to isn't as hard as knowing not to use the graphical utility instead |
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| 03:25.41 | karlpinc | Lost_Cause: And it's not like we force anybody to use the config files (even though it's a lot easier for us to support those). It's more like network manager is broken, or so I keep hearing here. (I've never tried it.) |
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| 03:30.12 | Lost_Cause | gnarface: i think you might be write on that one |
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| 03:31.02 | Lost_Cause | ******right not write |
| 03:31.16 | gnarface | every time i have to fix someone's redhat system its cause networkmanager killed it |
| 03:31.30 | gnarface | the one time i tried to install it for a laptop of mine it failed me so i immediately uninstalled it |
| 03:31.41 | gnarface | best solution: amputation |
| 03:32.10 | Lost_Cause | avoid it like the plague |
| 03:32.59 | jordanm | nm has always worked great for my wireless needs... |
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| 03:34.29 | gnarface | well its installed by default or picked as part of a larger desktop environment package set on *most* linux systems, so it can't be doing everything wrong... |
| 03:35.00 | antiwire | does anyone know the ticket id for the synaptic checkbox problem in wheezy? |
| 03:35.38 | gnarface | but i was generally upset with it for having to spend more time trying to fix it (and failing) than it took to learn to just write the config file ... it seems to do badly with very simple static installs |
| 03:36.29 | centHOGG | that's linux in general my friend |
| 03:36.54 | Lost_Cause | gnarface: their has to be another decent gui for it thought that doesn't crash it as much |
| 03:37.41 | gnarface | Lost_Cause: not only should there be but it would probably be pretty easy to do a better job in every respect |
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| 03:38.29 | gnarface | Lost_Cause: but i actually *like* the config files more... so i don't waste harddrive space on it |
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| 03:39.24 | gnarface | Lost_Cause: there are those who react negatively to any suggestion of editing text files |
| 03:40.09 | etorix_ | ol |
| 03:40.36 | Lost_Cause | gnarface: i find that hard to understand. isn't that to be expected when running linux |
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| 03:41.47 | Lost_Cause | gnarface: i would rather have to edit my own text files and have to learn little about what i am doing |
| 03:41.48 | somiaj | antiwire: have you looked thought the bugs, bugs.debian.org/synaptic |
| 03:43.13 | gnarface | Lost_Cause: yes and i agree with you but some people see "not having to learn a little" as a feature |
| 03:43.20 | gnarface | an IMPORTANT feature |
| 03:43.35 | gnarface | they don't care that they're sacrificing customization |
| 03:43.42 | Lost_Cause | gnarface: nevermind that the config files make it nice if you switch to box and want your same settings. all you need to do is copy your old file and your new computer is set up like your old |
| 03:44.09 | gnarface | that is my favorite thing about it too |
| 03:44.11 | gnarface | files! |
| 03:44.18 | karlpinc | gnarface: I don't even think you have to "learn a little" to edit a config file. You just have to edit it. |
| 03:44.31 | Lost_Cause | that not learning though just shows how sad of world we live in |
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| 03:44.57 | karlpinc | gnarface: My favorite thing about config files is that you can leave comments in them explaining _why_ you setup something as you did. |
| 03:45.30 | karlpinc | gnarface: I also like being able to search them and edit them with simple tools. |
| 03:45.30 | Lost_Cause | people are too stupid to read a line and delete a # and change a value |
| 03:45.44 | khem_ | anyone know any good examples of secure replacements for de-facto services in Linux? one example would be qmail for sendmail |
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| 03:45.47 | karlpinc | Lost_Cause: I think they just think they're too stupid. |
| 03:46.03 | karlpinc | !tell khem_ about debtags |
| 03:46.25 | karlpinc | khem_: (I'd say postfix for sendmail, but that's just me.) |
| 03:46.29 | somiaj | khem_: sendmail really isn't a default mta in debian, exim is, and you can configure it to be secure. |
| 03:47.26 | gnarface | exim4 is neat |
| 03:47.29 | khem_ | somiaj: there was a buffer overflow in exim just a few months ago |
| 03:47.52 | gnarface | fixed? |
| 03:48.28 | khem_ | karlpinc: I like postfix, and put my trust into it. However, I feel that qmail is more "security oriented". But I not only think about mail, but things such as webservers, ftp daemons, NFS etc etc |
| 03:48.41 | somiaj | khem_: and when it was discovered security.debian.org fixed it. every serveice has the possibility of unknown holes. But for mail any of exim/postfix/qmail sould be as secure as no known holes right now |
| 03:49.20 | somiaj | ftp will never be secure, but by default debian's defaults are fairly security designed, though you can always make things more secure. |
| 03:49.24 | karlpinc | khem_: You're never going to find a univerally accepted scale that reports what's more secure than what. All you can do is look at the functional alternatives and make your own choices. |
| 03:49.42 | khem_ | karlpinc: sure thing |
| 03:50.07 | karlpinc | khem_: So, debtags to find alternatives. |
| 03:50.25 | khem_ | karlpinc: thats not what i am looking for though. i am looking for "security oriented" alternatives, where a big effort is put into hardening. like vsftpd :p |
| 03:50.32 | gnarface | ssh can be more secure than it is allowing passwords is kinda weak |
| 03:50.47 | karlpinc | khem_: Read the descriptions, they should say if it's security focused. |
| 03:50.52 | gnarface | but for ssh you don't need to change the software, just the config file |
| 03:51.33 | Lost_Cause | ssh can be set up to require more/less than a password |
| 03:52.11 | gnarface | well its often a good idea to use keys and just disable passwords altogether |
| 03:52.34 | karlpinc | khem_: If you're serious about security run OpenBSD, but then you'll still have to pick something from packages because the base system does not come with all the services you might want (e.g. a webserver.) |
| 03:52.37 | somiaj | I'm trying to think of a major modern server service that doesn't have security in mind in its design -- but in debian you have many choices, use the one you have the most faith hin. |
| 03:53.09 | gnarface | OpenBSD still using sendmail? |
| 03:53.49 | karlpinc | gnarface: Yes, but they've audited all the code so that's been audited too. (And no doubt is old because of it.) |
| 03:54.53 | centHOGG | openBSD.... BWAHAHHAHHAAA (sorry) |
| 03:55.15 | gnarface | well, packetfilter rules |
| 03:55.25 | karlpinc | gnarface: Agreed. |
| 03:55.27 | gnarface | i wish i could install it on my shitty linksys wireless router |
| 03:55.43 | karlpinc | gnarface: Tried ferm? It's got a good rep. |
| 03:55.51 | gnarface | who what now? |
| 03:56.16 | karlpinc | gnarface: It's a layer on top of iptables, like shorewall, only rule based. |
| 03:56.32 | gnarface | interesting |
| 03:57.05 | karlpinc | gnarface: emdebian or openwrt? |
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| 03:58.34 | Rusty1 | http://ferm.foo-projects.org/download/2.0/ferm.html#description |
| 03:58.50 | karlpinc | Rusty1: (aptitude show ferm ;-) |
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| 04:04.55 | karlpinc | iptables makes me cranky. |
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| 04:32.32 | etorix_ | â[A]nimals should be permitted to bring suit, with human beings as their representatives, to prevent violations of current law " - Cass Sunstein, Administrator of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs |
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| 04:43.04 | s1m | anyone managed to install Tor.! |
| 04:43.26 | s1m | I get the follow : W: Failed to fetch http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org/dists/Squeeze/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Got a single header line over 360 chars [IP: 194.8.197.22 80] |
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| 04:44.57 | Hydroxide | s1m: although the tor project seems to be serving packages which are intended to be used for debian, those packages aren't ours. please use their support mechanisms (they probably have an IRC channel too) to get help with that |
| 04:45.39 | Hydroxide | s1m: I wouldn't be surprised if Debian has its own official tor packages in the main archive, but some differences probably exist between the two, maybe including version or other conventions. |
| 04:46.00 | Hydroxide | s1m: if you have questions about any Tor packages Debian itself provides, those questions can go here |
| 04:46.34 | s1m | Yeah , looks so .. i've askd in #tor as well. |
| 04:46.54 | s1m | am on Squeeze. |
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| 04:47.23 | Hydroxide | s1m: well then try at a different time of day, or find out if #tor on freenode isn't the best place to ask, or use some method of inquiry other than IRC. even if you don't get a response from their support mechanisms, that doesn't make us any better able to help with repositories we don't provide |
| 04:48.31 | Hydroxide | on the plus side, we won't magically stop supporting the rest of your squeeze system just because you use their repositories, except for any differences their repositories cause. (e.g. if they install a bunch of core debian packages with a bunch of differences, that's not something we can help with) |
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| 04:50.49 | jellyknife | Less than one week before 9/11 several of the hijacker 'patsies', including Atta, boarded a Sun Cruz Casino Boat in Florida. Nobody knows why, and it has never been investigated. Who owned these casino boats? Jack Abramoff |
| 04:50.53 | jellyknife | oops |
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| 04:50.58 | s1m | Great , ty Hydroxide .. i found Tor official packages from the main archive. |
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| 04:51.15 | Hydroxide | s1m: cool. if you have any problems with those, let us know. |
| 04:51.19 | Hydroxide | (or feel free to) |
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| 04:51.35 | s1m | Alright ;) |
| 04:52.12 | s1m | it's my first time setting up Tor , so i may need some assistance along the way. |
| 04:53.08 | Hydroxide | s1m: I'm not really the best one to help you with that, since I haven't done it either, but at least issues with Debian packages are on topic here :-) |
| 04:53.33 | s1m | So , all i need is ( Tor + Vidalia ) packages. right! |
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| 04:58.29 | s1m | Hydroxide: cool ;) thats fine , i'll play with it until it's up and running. |
| 04:58.36 | Hydroxide | good luck |
| 04:58.44 | s1m | ty |
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| 05:07.19 | Inure | BNC's available, PM me if interested |
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| 05:22.56 | hatter | how do i spawn an xterm into a vnc session ? |
| 05:25.44 | somiaj | seems as if googleearth-package is making packages that require lsb-core, but the older versions didn't, anyway to change this or has google done a major update in their linux binary? |
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| 05:29.02 | mentor | hatter: vnc is just a display forwarder |
| 05:29.54 | mentor | somiaj: Yes, go through the googlearth-package and remove any references to lsb functions |
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| 05:32.38 | hatter | mentor, yes, i was looking for executing an xterm shell in the vnc X display, |
| 05:32.58 | mentor | VNC != X |
| 05:32.58 | hatter | mentor, like this worked : xterm -display name:1.0 & |
| 05:33.03 | hatter | mentor |
| 05:33.11 | hatter | mentor, i understand |
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| 05:33.25 | mentor | That command goes around VNC |
| 05:33.50 | hatter | vnc is already running an X session, i wanted to execute a program within it |
| 05:34.04 | hatter | oops, already forwarding an X session, is that correct ? |
| 05:35.07 | mentor | Well, it'll be connecting from a VNC client to a VNC server |
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| 05:35.44 | hatter | now that an xterm is running, can i run a script in the xterm from somewhere else ? |
| 05:36.37 | mentor | I don't think you can remote command xterm |
| 05:36.51 | mentor | You'll need to specify when you start xterm |
| 05:37.30 | hatter | there is likely a better idea than what i am thinking, i want to output the standard terminal info to a window in an X session |
| 05:38.03 | mentor | You want a named pipe |
| 05:38.43 | mentor | possibly forwarded over a network |
| 05:38.50 | mentor | As I have no idea where your things are running |
| 05:40.01 | hatter | box #1 executes an rsync script -> outputs to vnc forwarder - which could then be displayed over an ssh tunnel |
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| 05:40.28 | mentor | ⦠|
| 05:40.56 | mentor | Might running this in screen be easier |
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| 05:41.53 | hatter | that was my first thought, but then when the script finishes the generated screen closes |
| 05:43.07 | mentor | So you basically want a log file monitor screen? |
| 05:43.14 | hatter | yes |
| 05:43.24 | mentor | So, tail a file in screen |
| 05:43.31 | mentor | Have the script append to it |
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| 05:43.55 | mentor | There are programs in the repository to handle rotating of log files whilst doing that |
| 05:44.12 | hatter | aha, that sounds nice |
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| 05:45.07 | hatter | mentor, thx for your thoughts |
| 05:45.45 | mentor | maybe search for running a log on a VT |
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| 05:49.40 | jellyknife | According to ABC News 20/20, after the group of Israelis were detained, the driver of the van -- Sivan Kurzberg -- told the officers: "We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem." |
| 05:49.44 | jellyknife | 'these are not the droids you are looking for' LMAO |
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| 05:52.20 | tensorpudding | jellyknife: take the discussion elsewhere |
| 05:52.54 | jellyknife | Their names were Sivan & Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Schmuel, Oded Ellner & Omer Marmari. |
| 05:52.58 | jellyknife | ok |
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| 06:49.57 | mikunos | hi guys I have updated the php from 5.2 to PHP 5.3.3-7+squeeze1 with Suhosin-Patch |
| 06:50.03 | mikunos | and seems that all works fine |
| 06:50.09 | mikunos | I have installed the zend Optimizer but I get a strange error: |
| 06:50.14 | mikunos | Connection reset by peer: mod_fcgid: error reading data from FastCGI server |
| 06:50.21 | mikunos | does anybody has a clue for it? |
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| 06:58.32 | gnarface | mikunos: i think you must have zend configured for fcgi but apache configured for mod_php |
| 06:58.46 | gnarface | mikunos: you want to use mod_php, it is faster |
| 06:59.02 | mikunos | gnarface hi |
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| 06:59.18 | mikunos | so have I to use the mod_php with it? gnarface |
| 06:59.51 | gnarface | mikunos: "have to?" probably not. should? definitely |
| 07:00.25 | mikunos | ok |
| 07:00.39 | mikunos | I am testing it |
| 07:02.01 | mikunos | ok |
| 07:02.08 | mikunos | now it is in mod_php mode |
| 07:02.22 | mikunos | I have added this row in the php.ini: zend_extension=/usr/local/Zend53/ZendOptimizerPlus.so |
| 07:02.30 | gnarface | zend is? i bet you stop getting fastcgi errors now huh? |
| 07:03.14 | mikunos | yes but I cannot see the ZendOptimizer load in the phpinfo information page |
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| 07:03.39 | mikunos | seems that the module has been not loaded |
| 07:04.05 | mikunos | I have followed this procedure: http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?p=258253 |
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| 07:05.57 | mikunos | gnarface, why now the module is no loaded anymore? |
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| 07:24.32 | nvictor | umm debian, isn't it ifconfig when you want to see your ip address? |
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| 07:25.23 | digdilem_ | that's one way, sure |
| 07:25.36 | nvictor | ok figured it out |
| 07:25.43 | nvictor | its a sudo command |
| 07:25.51 | nvictor | it's weird tho |
| 07:26.08 | digdilem_ | sudo isn't normal in debian, sure you're not using ubuntu? |
| 07:26.09 | nvictor | it should say so instead of saying command not found :s |
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| 07:26.26 | nvictor | digdilem_: well i'm using debian |
| 07:26.37 | nvictor | digdilem_: and sudo ifconfig worked while ifconfig didn't |
| 07:26.43 | digdilem_ | it's a root command |
| 07:26.59 | digdilem_ | ok, maybe debian now sudo-enables some users too. no worries |
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| 07:30.41 | mikunos | I need to uninstall the zend server from a box. I have install it using the ./install.sh but I cannot see any remove.sh or something else that allow me to uninstall it. How have I to do? |
| 07:32.00 | mikunos | this is the install.sh file content: http://pastie.org/2059703 |
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| 07:34.55 | Bauer | How can I log and analyze the cause for CPU spikes? I have a virtual machine in a datacenter, which sometimes jumps to 100% cpu on vmware's vsphere, and ssh sessions become unresponsive (but dont disconnect), as well as new sessions dont connect (but dont reject or get timed out either). |
| 07:35.13 | Bauer | the Cloud team insists its linux issue and not vmware |
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| 07:36.34 | mikunos | any idea? |
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| 07:41.41 | jelly-home | Bauer: which debian release is running in the vm? |
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| 07:42.26 | Bushmills | Bauer: i once did for similar issue a secondly ps aux > /some/dir/${date +%s} dump |
| 07:43.08 | Bushmills | ehm... $(date +%s), i meant |
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| 07:54.34 | Bauer | Bushmills it got stuck again I didnt have a chance to run that, but I got screenshots: http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6038/faultyvm.png http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3255/faultyvm2.png http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/4052/faultyvm3.png |
| 07:54.42 | Bauer | can anyone notice what exactly causes this? |
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| 07:55.51 | Bushmills | your apache sending mail? |
| 07:56.20 | Bushmills | does it have a good reason to? |
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| 07:57.08 | Bushmills | actually, not sure that it does. was just a suspicion. triggered by seeing mta consume cpu at the same time |
| 07:57.10 | Bauer | Bushmills not at all.. only thing installed there is empty wordpress I didnt even customize much |
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| 07:57.27 | Bushmills | check your outgoing mail log |
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| 07:57.45 | Bushmills | and check your web logs |
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| 07:58.19 | Bauer | Bushmills which file is that? |
| 07:58.20 | Bushmills | lots of mail is sent by some cgi script, consider the possibility that your system has been compromised |
| 07:58.25 | Zharf | hi, is there some repo I could get sun-java5-jdk and dependencies from (for wheezy) |
| 07:58.26 | Bushmills | if lots ... |
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| 07:59.28 | Bushmills | ouch. an admin having to ask what file mail and web logs are raises the chance on compromised system :) |
| 08:00.12 | Bushmills | web logs: as specified in your VirtualHosts file, if any. otherwise defaulting to /var/log/apache* directory |
| 08:00.21 | Bauer | Bushmills its a test server I use for stuff, not real production system :P |
| 08:00.35 | Bushmills | mail logs: /var/log/mail* |
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| 08:03.22 | rypervenche | Zharf: the non-free repos |
| 08:03.32 | Zharf | rypervenche, they only have sun-java6-jdk |
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| 08:03.44 | rypervenche | Zharf: Oh, you have 5, no clue. |
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| 08:03.53 | Zharf | I need 5, sadly |
| 08:03.57 | rypervenche | Why? |
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| 08:04.12 | Zharf | because android froyo refuses to compile with 6 |
| 08:04.31 | rypervenche | Ahh |
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| 08:04.42 | Bauer | Bushmills: -bash: /tmp/log/${date +%s}: bad substitution |
| 08:05.00 | Bauer | Bushmills: also what to make out of the mail log? anything specific I should look for? |
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| 08:09.18 | Bushmills | (09:43:08) Bushmills: ehm... $(date +%s), i meant |
| 08:09.49 | Bushmills | Bauer: yes. lots of mails sent. for example |
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| 08:15.30 | Bauer | Bushmills: I see massive amount of errors: http://pastebin.com/cq6z6gyb it repeats the same shit |
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| 08:16.41 | Bauer | does not look like massive mails sending |
| 08:17.15 | Bauer | what cuases this though? |
| 08:17.18 | Bushmills | can't tell from your log, that's all from the same second |
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| 08:18.22 | Bauer | Bushmills its the same log repeats itself for hours |
| 08:18.48 | kramotaq | hi, anybody hv experience about squid with transparent proxy and load balancing in one server ? |
| 08:19.12 | Bushmills | well, it appears that apache and mta are consuming cpu. why those do is up to you to analyze. from logs or other means you have |
| 08:19.25 | kramotaq | try to look at squid-doc but still can't find how to split the conn |
| 08:19.49 | kramotaq | i heard that squid v3 support multiple IPs |
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| 08:32.12 | anddam | hello |
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| 08:32.32 | anddam | should 'aptitude -r' install recommended packages? |
| 08:32.38 | anddam | I'm getting The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed: xml-core |
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| 08:32.51 | anddam | when running 'aptitude -r upgrade' |
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| 08:35.55 | Bushmills | "..when installing new packages" |
| 08:36.16 | Bushmills | upgrade doesn't install new packages - unless there are new dependencies with updated packages |
| 08:36.20 | anddam | Bushmills: right |
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| 08:37.54 | anddam | how would I get a list of packages recommended and not installed? |
| 08:37.56 | anddam | dpkg? |
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| 08:39.23 | Bushmills | not sure. grep ^Recommends: /var/lib/dpkg/status for a list of all recommends of everything installed |
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| 08:57.57 | jelly | anddam: aptitude has a complex search syntax. If a single tool can do it, aptitude can |
| 08:58.10 | anddam | jelly: thanks |
| 08:58.22 | anddam | I'll check info doc |
| 08:58.25 | anddam | bye |
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| 09:22.42 | GNU\colossus | is there a GUI-less version of mplayer available? |
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| 09:23.07 | Bushmills | yes. mplayer |
| 09:23.22 | GNU\colossus | Bushmills, comes with GTK UI here. |
| 09:23.50 | Bushmills | try mplayer-nogui then |
| 09:24.04 | GNU\colossus | doesn't exist |
| 09:24.08 | GNU\colossus | (I'm on testing) |
| 09:26.17 | GNU\colossus | hmmm, mplayer2 seems to be what I'm looking for |
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| 09:29.12 | kripz | how can i start a program from a shell script but have it stay open after i close the terminal? Thunar & doesnt work |
| 09:29.30 | GNU\colossus | it should. |
| 09:29.48 | GNU\colossus | anyway, try `disown -h` after invoking the background job |
| 09:30.01 | Bushmills | kripz: screen, tmux, script & with ctrl-d |
| 09:30.23 | Bushmills | depends on what "stay open" means |
| 09:30.34 | kripz | maybe terminal was the wrong word, xterm inside a desktop |
| 09:31.09 | kripz | i have a "command line box" open within xfce, i run Thunar &, thunar pops up. i close the command box, thunar closes |
| 09:31.14 | kripz | i want thunar to stay open |
| 09:31.30 | Bushmills | how do you close "command box"? |
| 09:31.39 | kripz | click the x button |
| 09:31.45 | Bushmills | do ctrl-d |
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| 09:39.07 | Karen_m | I am trying to figure out why my box is doing 3.5MB/sec, i'm using iptraf -i eth0 but it fills up too quick. Is there a better way to see using another app? |
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| 09:40.08 | Bushmills | to see what? |
| 09:40.34 | Karen_m | which ip <--> ip is using up the most bandwidth? |
| 09:40.37 | kripz | Is it possible to start X without a desktop manager? currently "startx" starts xfce |
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| 09:41.29 | olafkewl | kripz: why do you want to run X without WM ? |
| 09:41.32 | niteye | i've read that sound through hdmi isn't supported until the 2.6.33 kernel, anyone knows when this kernel will be in the stable repo for debian? (its currently at 2.6.32-5 or something) |
| 09:42.05 | kripz | olafkewl, because im trying to use opencl apps but my card is not detected with fglrxinfo unless x is running |
| 09:42.29 | olafkewl | kripz: you can try Xvfb for this |
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| 09:43.11 | Bushmills | Karen_m: of the simple apps, check out pktstat |
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| 09:46.47 | Bushmills | kripz: startx /usr/bin/xterm |
| 09:46.47 | Bushmills | kripz: you can launch a windows manager from the xterm, after having done other stuff |
| 09:46.47 | Bushmills | window manager |
| 09:47.47 | niteye | i'm having trouble setting up dual monitors in gnome. sometimes it works, but most of the time it says that the required virtual size does not fit available size or something. which is strange because both displays are identical and mirroring mode works, and the normal mode that i want works too but only sometimes |
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| 09:59.40 | simonlnu | eamon: yes a variable, but what for? maybe you mean CC ? |
| 10:00.00 | eamon | simonlnu: not in my debian, apparently |
| 10:00.20 | kripz | what rate should a 5770 be hashing at? |
| 10:00.34 | eamon | DD doesn't matter, I could have chosen HY or DDDD it's just shorthand |
| 10:00.36 | simonlnu | ,versions memcached |
| 10:00.37 | judd | Package memcached on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.2-1+lenny1; lenny-security: 1.2.2-1+lenny1; sid: 1.4.5-1; squeeze: 1.4.5-1; wheezy: 1.4.5-1 |
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| 10:00.46 | simonlnu | eamon: ^^^ |
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| 10:00.59 | eamon | well it's not on my debian |
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| 10:01.40 | ragnar76 | i guess i have to readjust myself to another twitter client then. any suggestions? |
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| 10:02.09 | simonlnu | apt-cache search memcached gave me 36 packages directly related to memcached |
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| 10:02.55 | simonlnu | perl, c, ruby, and python |
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| 10:08.47 | afuentes | Ragnar, i use choqok and i like it |
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| 10:09.03 | niteye | when i reboot while my second monitor isn't powered on, then i can't use it (even though the monitors panel detects both), there is not enough virtual size to use it, how can i fix it without having to reboot? |
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| 10:09.31 | digdilem_ | niteye, I believe that's a graphics card issue. It locks out the feed if nothing answers during power up |
| 10:09.53 | niteye | yeah but in windows, it works, i plug in a new monitor and i can start using it |
| 10:09.57 | digdilem_ | i have an onboard gfx set that does it for the primary too. annoying when i want to plug a monitor in |
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| 10:10.07 | digdilem_ | ah, then maybe it's a driver issue. I am guessing though |
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| 10:11.02 | niteye | what is the best kind of carpets for a bedroom/computer room? i was thinking of persian rugs |
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| 10:13.09 | pseudon | i just installed debian 6.0. when i try to boot, gdm does not start. instead i see a blinking '_' on the upper left. how do i solve this problem? |
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| 10:13.36 | niteye | it's the available virtual size that doesn't increase, so if i use mirroring screen, or choose very tiny resolutions for both displays, then my second monitor does work without a reboot |
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| 10:14.26 | simonlnu | afuentes: it works for you? must be my setup then. |
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| 10:16.00 | avernos | my user dont have administration menu, how can i add it to administrator? so i can display all those apps ? |
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| 10:17.43 | afuentes | simonlnu, choqok? yep is working for me |
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| 10:19.42 | simonlnu | it worked maybe once, twice for me, then the dialogues, etc. just showed up blank... |
| 10:20.40 | alfadir | hi, have after an update yesterday problem with my g15 logitech under x. (sid). any special problems currently ? works well in console.. nothing spectacular in X.org.log more than there are more inputXX as I expected for the keyboard. keys gets registed in an x term but nothingin printed.. as if I would press Alt or so allt the time.. |
| 10:21.03 | alfadir | suspect evdev or udev.. or some combination :) |
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| 10:23.37 | eamon | Hello I'm trying to install mysql-dev from source but I get the configure error "config.status: error: cannot find input file: Docs/Makefile.in". How can I remedy this? |
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| 10:45.42 | s1m | is youtube-dl available in (squeeze) |
| 10:46.40 | s1m | if so , it's not in the main source |
| 10:46.49 | olafkewl | s1m: have you tried packages.debian.net ? |
| 10:47.09 | s1m | olafkewl: no. |
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| 10:48.36 | s1m | is that a proper source to be used! |
| 10:50.42 | ababblah | All of a sudden my custom kernel won't boot without an initrd unless I put GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID="true" in /etc/default/grub . Even then, it'll say it hasn't found an initrd and I'll have to press a key to continue. |
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| 10:51.11 | ababblah | I'm using Wheezy and 2.6.39.1 . |
| 10:51.38 | ababblah | Anyone knows what's up? |
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| 10:52.39 | ababblah | And it says something about not being able to use /run/udev, and using /dev/.udev instead... |
| 10:52.45 | pozic | How can I unlock a graphical session as root? |
| 10:52.47 | ababblah | I'm guessing something has changed in grub. |
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| 10:53.01 | valdyn | pozic: what? |
| 10:53.03 | pozic | The graphical session belongs to some random user. |
| 10:53.21 | pozic | valdyn: I see 'the session is locked' and I have to input the password of this random user. |
| 10:53.39 | valdyn | pozic: best case you kill the locker, worst case you live patch the locking program |
| 10:53.56 | valdyn | pozic: root *allows* this, but does not necessarily make this easy |
| 10:53.59 | pozic | valdyn: I don't have this password, but I do have root. So there should be a way to take over the session. |
| 10:54.11 | valdyn | pozic: sure |
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| 10:54.23 | pozic | valdyn: security by obscurity is a failure anyway. |
| 10:54.36 | valdyn | pozic: it isnt security by obscurity |
| 10:54.39 | pozic | Because of the meaning of root such features should simply be available. |
| 10:54.49 | valdyn | pozic: no |
| 10:54.56 | pozic | valdyn: can I safely kill the locker? |
| 10:55.03 | valdyn | pozic: safely for who? |
| 10:55.07 | pozic | valdyn: or will that kill the session? |
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| 10:55.30 | pozic | valdyn: the information in the session is the important stuff. |
| 10:55.31 | s1m | ababblah: this might be useful http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=60088 |
| 10:55.39 | valdyn | pozic: depends on the actual locker implementation, i guess not, but i cant be sure |
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| 10:56.12 | pozic | valdyn: ok, is there any locker which allows root to unlock easily? |
| 10:56.26 | valdyn | pozic: i never tried to solve your problem - no idea |
| 10:56.35 | pozic | valdyn: ok, thanks anyway. |
| 10:56.40 | valdyn | pozic: i would guess not anyway |
| 10:57.03 | pozic | valdyn: it is basically caused by a human problem anyway. |
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| 10:57.28 | valdyn | pozic: why dont you try this on a seperate computer |
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| 10:59.08 | ababblah | s1m thanks, but it's not. I've already managed to boot it, it's just not the way it was supposed to be... |
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| 11:04.34 | s1m | ababblah: Ahh , maybe you changed something in GRUB config .. try to recall. |
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| 11:06.05 | guard_ | Im sorry for a noob question, and currently planning to install GNU/Linux debian(would be first time linux user) on my other PC, But i'm a bit worried, does other linux distribution using GNU programs as much as debian?? |
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| 11:06.58 | homie | does anyone get problems with Undefined Color: WINDOW_FOREGROUND in various emacs versions with debian ? |
| 11:07.02 | homie | the gui does not start |
| 11:07.10 | Bushmills | guard_: which other? |
| 11:07.12 | homie | however i could start emacs with -nw |
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| 11:07.35 | ababblah | s1m I haven't. I'm guessing something's changed in /etc/grub.d/10_linux. |
| 11:07.41 | ababblah | Afer I updated. |
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| 11:08.10 | homie | grub was broken i got symbol divmod64 not found or so |
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| 11:09.19 | cusco | hi |
| 11:09.33 | cusco | I added some virtual interfaces, eth0:0 eth0:1 etc |
| 11:09.37 | pozic | valdyn: I don't have tons of spare computers lying around as I am not a professional admin. |
| 11:09.54 | cusco | and they all have a different gateway, only eth0 has the original gateway... |
| 11:10.02 | pozic | valdyn: I have a few machines, all of which now are occupied, and I don't care about it that much. |
| 11:10.05 | filo1234 | Hi all, I'm using debian lenny + lxde, I need to set bloc num on at startup using numlockx but it doesnt run |
| 11:10.06 | cusco | how can I make one, be the default gateway? |
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| 11:10.26 | filo1234 | I have found this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/numlockx/+bug/218202 is this the case? |
| 11:10.39 | petemc | cusco: just dont specify a gateway for the virtual interfaces |
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| 11:11.01 | pozic | Are screensavers technically still useful or are they nowadays basically a gimmick? |
| 11:11.16 | ababblah | s1m Meh. It seems the solution will be to use an initrd for now, even though I don't have to =\. Thanks anyway. |
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| 11:11.43 | swilson06 | sorta odd, i'm installing node.js and the config script doesn't see sys/event.h - how can an event driven server work without an event handler library and why doesn't it detect libevent1 or libev-dev? |
| 11:11.47 | cusco | ow.. but the network changes.. petemc where eth0 has ip 192.168.2.10, eth0:0 has ip 192.168.3.10, shouldn't it need a gateway ? |
| 11:12.07 | cusco | let me try.. |
| 11:12.23 | swilson06 | ^^ is a more of a debian question than a node question btw |
| 11:12.31 | Bushmills | pozic: turning off backlight (with LCD/TFT) or setting all black (CRT) is useful by saving a bit of energy |
| 11:12.36 | guard_ | I mean, does 'fedora' or 'openSUSE' or 'red hat' using gnu programs as much as debian does? |
| 11:13.46 | Bushmills | guard_: comparing package count would show. there are about 30000 packages in debian now |
| 11:13.46 | swilson06 | guard_: yes - possibly to a larger extent because of restrictions some licenses have about making money off of the software |
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| 11:14.25 | swilson06 | that said, i don't much prefer centos |
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| 11:15.26 | ababblah | guard_ most Linux distros use GNU coreutils and the GNU toolchain... |
| 11:15.49 | cusco | that worked.. ok.. thanks petemc |
| 11:15.55 | simonlnu | linux? very few don't, or at all. |
| 11:16.13 | cusco | just weird that a interface with ip 192.168.3.X can go trough gateway 192.168.2.X |
| 11:16.18 | guard_ | Thanks... |
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| 11:16.59 | swilson06 | cusco: 192.168.0.0/16 ? |
| 11:17.24 | simonlnu | otoh, the bsds don't, they have their own stuff. some include it, but not by default. |
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| 11:17.39 | swilson06 | or even 192.168.0.0/18 (i think - don't feel like doing the math) |
| 11:17.46 | simonlnu | /16 |
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| 11:18.18 | DeThkLoK37 | hmmmm 16 clones hey |
| 11:18.19 | simonlnu | he's changing the 3rd octet |
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| 11:18.48 | cusco | swilson06: no, but our network is 192.168.0/24 in everything... I added those IP's ... well... to bind them to external IP's on the router |
| 11:18.51 | simonlnu | O_o |
| 11:19.05 | cusco | so I added a iface on the router 192.168.3.X too |
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| 11:19.48 | Bushmills | with 192,.168.0.0/22, even |
| 11:20.08 | swilson06 | Bushmills: yeah, after i said that i felt like an idiot :) |
| 11:20.20 | cusco | don't have ipcalc installed and I don't know how to do the math :p |
| 11:20.40 | Bushmills | cusco: any gateway can be used as long as there's a route to it |
| 11:21.02 | swilson06 | uh, it has to be on the same subnet.... |
| 11:21.13 | Bushmills | nope |
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| 11:21.21 | ababblah | Not necessarily. |
| 11:21.26 | swilson06 | how? |
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| 11:22.05 | cusco | Bushmills: sure, and there is a route to it |
| 11:22.06 | Bushmills | you just tell the route what gateway is used for it |
| 11:22.22 | cusco | I just forgot there is no route on the router to our vpn friends |
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| 11:22.25 | cusco | from 192.168.3.X |
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| 11:23.14 | cusco | thus I preffered to make the gateway from eth0 default |
| 11:23.28 | swilson06 | Bushmills: yeah, but that's the point of a router - to route between subnets, so how would you use a gateway on another subnet? |
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| 11:24.05 | cusco | but ok its working without gateway on the virtual interfaces |
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| 11:26.46 | Bushmills | swilson06: you set a host route to gateway, then a net route using that gateway |
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| 11:27.20 | Bushmills | gateway can only be used if system knows how to route packets to it, of course |
| 11:27.20 | swilson06 | huh, yeah, that might work..... |
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| 11:31.22 | Bushmills | swilson06: and i's see the purpose of a router to determine what interface or host to send a packet to, given its destination |
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| 11:31.47 | Bushmills | to a subnet or not is not of concern |
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| 11:32.51 | swilson06 | yeah, it makes sense... just never thought to do that |
| 11:32.56 | Bushmills | oh, not only "determine" but also "do it" |
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| 11:35.49 | john_rambo | I want encrypt a folder .... In Ubuntu I found this in >> Applications -> Accessories -> Passwords and Encryption Keys .....Which package do I need to install in Debian ? |
| 11:36.03 | Bushmills | john_rambo: encfs or luks |
| 11:36.12 | Bushmills | encfs is easy to use |
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| 11:36.48 | john_rambo | Bushmills, encfs included a GUI ? |
| 11:36.55 | john_rambo | includes* |
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| 11:37.16 | Bushmills | (asuming you want to encrypt contents of directory - for folders, i'd run its contents through some ocr first, then put it into an encrypted directory) |
| 11:37.50 | Bushmills | no. but there exist a toolbar applet for it |
| 11:38.08 | Bushmills | that makes it's use essentially gui-ish |
| 11:38.44 | Bushmills | cryptkeeper was its name |
| 11:38.51 | john_rambo | Bushmills, From what I can remember there was some "pgp" private key / public key |
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| 11:39.39 | Bushmills | well, there is pgp, which you can use on files. i understood you wanted encrypted directories, and assumed you wanted to use them transparently |
| 11:40.50 | john_rambo | Bushmills, What I want to do is ecrypt my data before uploading them to Dropbox .....Which method do you recommend ? |
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| 11:41.18 | abrotman | gnupg |
| 11:41.22 | Bushmills | depends on what you intend to do with uploaded data |
| 11:43.03 | th0r | john_rambo: have you considered uploading them as truecrypt volumes? |
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| 11:43.50 | john_rambo | Bushmills, abrotman By data I mean all kinds of file types like .rtf, jpg ...I have 2 PCs & I basically want to share those things between the two |
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| 11:43.58 | abrotman | and? |
| 11:44.22 | john_rambo | th0r, You mean create a trucrypt volume then copy it to Dropbox & mount it from there ? |
| 11:44.50 | th0r | john_rambo: no, just treat it as a file and move it from one computer to the other |
| 11:44.50 | john_rambo | abrotman, that's it |
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| 11:46.21 | john_rambo | th0r, There PCs are not connected to a LAN .... How will I move the truecrypt file to the other PC ? |
| 11:46.31 | john_rambo | These* |
| 11:46.36 | Bushmills | john_rambo: if you can mount your remote volume somehow, you can use encfs to have remote data stored with encryption, while being able to read and write to it from local machines just as any other mounted volume |
| 11:47.16 | th0r | john_rambo: maybe we are talking about a different dropbox? Isn't dropbox an internet cloud service? |
| 11:47.36 | Bushmills | only thing is that you need to know the password the encfs volume was created with when you mount it |
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| 11:48.01 | john_rambo | Bushmills, Okay ....I guess I will try encfs first .... |
| 11:48.29 | john_rambo | th0r, Yes that very dropbox |
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| 11:56.20 | Karen_m | i'm creating my own grub and boot disk, for 4 different *.iso's. If I load 'freedos', how do I get the bios onto that 'drive' or whatever. I want to setup grub to let me load the freedos iso, and then have it able to see the other files I have like bios update and what not |
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| 12:03.04 | Bushmills | Karen_m: with grub-imageboot, you can boot (some iso images) from a directory containing those image. for adding stuff to an iso image, you'd rewrite ut |
| 12:03.05 | Bushmills | it |
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| 12:11.48 | s1m | Where are skype & youtube-dl packges. |
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| 12:13.23 | Karen_m | ok thx |
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| 12:13.32 | s1m | O , skype isn't supportd by Debian. |
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| 12:13.46 | s1m | youtube-dl ! |
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| 12:14.40 | miltan | i always get such messages: kernel:[ 1719.121629] do_IRQ: 0.84 No irq handler for vector (irq -1) |
| 12:14.53 | miltan | does anyone know how to solve this problem? |
| 12:15.57 | sunscreen | any one here happen to know how to make vlc Output to jack on specific set of ports |
| 12:16.04 | amphi | s1m: I used to use cclive for youtube and others; it can d/l or stream to your favourite movie player |
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| 12:18.18 | amphi | sunscreen: jack.plumbing perhaps? in jack-tools |
| 12:18.23 | s1m | amphi: ty , al try it .. whas odd is youtube-dl is not there to grab , but cclive is. |
| 12:18.51 | amphi | cclive works with other sites also |
| 12:19.03 | Bushmills | ,versions youtube-dl |
| 12:19.04 | judd | Package youtube-dl on i386 -- sid: 2011.02.25b-1; wheezy: 2011.02.25b-1 |
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| 12:19.25 | Bushmills | not that odd, is it? |
| 12:20.08 | sunscreen | well if you wanted to do that approach there is jack_snapshot |
| 12:20.08 | jelly | ,versions cclive |
| 12:20.09 | judd | Package cclive on i386 -- squeeze: 0.6.3-1; sid: 0.7.3.1-1; wheezy: 0.7.3.1-1 |
| 12:20.35 | sunscreen | I want vlc to work like it supports a multichannel pro audio sound server aka ehem jack |
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| 12:20.41 | sunscreen | fucking annoying |
| 12:20.49 | sunscreen | they dont even have a irc channel |
| 12:20.54 | sunscreen | so i can go tick them off |
| 12:21.02 | jelly | sunscreen: who doesn't? |
| 12:21.09 | sunscreen | vlc |
| 12:21.15 | jelly | sunscreen: #videolan |
| 12:21.39 | Bushmills | or /j #vlc, then "they" have a channel. albeit you'd be they then |
| 12:21.40 | sunscreen | trust them to not forward #vlc there |
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| 12:22.44 | ws2k3 | hello guys i'm trying to start my vsftpd server |
| 12:22.52 | ws2k3 | but it wont start |
| 12:23.04 | Bushmills | ws2k3: determine why it doesn't |
| 12:23.10 | ws2k3 | i dont know |
| 12:23.14 | ws2k3 | i do ./vsftpd start |
| 12:23.24 | s1m | right right .. E: Unable to locate package youtube-dl |
| 12:23.32 | ws2k3 | it say starting ftpd server and when i hit ./vsftpd status it say server not running |
| 12:24.01 | Bushmills | ws2k3: why don't you use the init script? |
| 12:24.16 | ws2k3 | i use the init script |
| 12:24.19 | ws2k3 | in /etc/init.d |
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| 12:24.47 | Bushmills | "./vsftpd start" didn't really suggest you did. check log files |
| 12:25.10 | ws2k3 | i know but i dont know where vsftpd server store its log |
| 12:25.19 | ws2k3 | its not var/www/vsftpd.log |
| 12:25.44 | ws2k3 | there i only see client connected etc |
| 12:25.49 | Bushmills | also check whether there's /etc/default/vsftpd, and edit it if there is |
| 12:26.02 | ws2k3 | hmm how u mean? |
| 12:26.08 | jelly | ws2k3: it's been a week, and you STILL don't know where your service logs stuff? |
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| 12:26.46 | jelly | ws2k3: tried just searching recursively thru all the logs? grep -R -i vsftp /var/log |
| 12:26.52 | ws2k3 | in /etc/defaults there is non vsftpd |
| 12:26.52 | Bushmills | ws2k3: if there's no log file in /var/www/..., maybe there is one in /usr/local/bin ... |
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| 12:27.09 | Bushmills | or maybe in an even more suited location |
| 12:27.13 | ws2k3 | bushmills i checked but no |
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| 12:27.25 | ws2k3 | jelly its not a week i'm working on this for a couple of days now. |
| 12:27.42 | ws2k3 | bushmill i have to say i messed with the vsftpd.conf a bit |
| 12:27.47 | Bushmills | ws2k3: what gave you the idea to look in /var/www for log files? |
| 12:27.59 | ws2k3 | not /var/www |
| 12:28.13 | ws2k3 | ./var/log/vsftpd.log |
| 12:28.18 | ws2k3 | i folowed this guide |
| 12:28.20 | ws2k3 | http://wasdak.blogspot.com/2011/02/setup-virtual-users-and-directories-in.html |
| 12:28.35 | Bushmills | "(14:25:19) ws2k3: its not var/www/vsftpd.log" |
| 12:28.45 | ws2k3 | soz a type mistake |
| 12:28.50 | ws2k3 | should be /var/log/vsftpd.log |
| 12:29.02 | ws2k3 | in that log i only see client connected etc. |
| 12:29.03 | Bushmills | check out daemon.log in same dir |
| 12:29.17 | Bushmills | "client connected" - how, if server supposedly doesn't run? |
| 12:29.38 | ws2k3 | old logs.. |
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| 12:30.03 | Bushmills | (14:27:42) ws2k3: bushmill i have to say i messed with the vsftpd.conf a bit ... try unmessing it |
| 12:30.51 | dkr | why on earth does iceweasel give you a browsing dialog to find helper applications but no input field for the path/name of the app? browsing to /usr/bin to select from a list is a lot less efficient than typing/pasting sometimes |
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| 12:32.41 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 12:32.47 | Bushmills | ws2k3: any chance those old logs stem from a time before you messed with vsftpd config? |
| 12:32.49 | ws2k3 | strange i remove vsftpd and reinstalled but i dont get the orginel vsftpd.conf |
| 12:32.57 | ws2k3 | yes(A) |
| 12:33.14 | Bushmills | that may be an indication of the cause of the problem |
| 12:33.50 | ws2k3 | how can i install vsftpd and force that he writes everything again |
| 12:33.54 | ws2k3 | like config file |
| 12:34.03 | Bushmills | how did you remove it? |
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| 12:34.44 | ws2k3 | apt-get -f remove vsftpd |
| 12:35.09 | Bushmills | man apt-get . read about remove |
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| 12:36.15 | ws2k3 | yeah i know. that remove doest remove its config files |
| 12:36.19 | ws2k3 | only the package itself |
| 12:36.28 | Bushmills | read on |
| 12:36.57 | ws2k3 | remove is identical to install except that packages are removed instead of installed. Note the removing a package leaves its configuration files in system. If a |
| 12:36.57 | ws2k3 | plus sign is appended to the package name (with no intervening space), the identified package will be installed instead of removed. whats else to read? |
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| 12:37.39 | ws2k3 | so why when i manualy removes its config and i reinstall with -f it still dont write a new config? |
| 12:37.48 | Bushmills | i suppose you don't expect me to read the next two lines to you |
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| 12:38.13 | ws2k3 | ofcrouse not i just show what man apt-get shows me. |
| 12:38.16 | Bushmills | you know, man pages contain information |
| 12:38.36 | Bushmills | one shouldn't only read them when prodded into doing so, or being told what exactly to read in them |
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| 12:39.28 | ws2k3 | ah with purge its fixed |
| 12:39.45 | Bushmills | though my hint "next two lines" should have been as close to foonspeeding than i dare to |
| 12:40.19 | ws2k3 | my english is not that good. so i dont understand that line dont know what ur trying to say |
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| 12:41.27 | Bushmills | ws2k3: http://www.willamette.edu/~trapp/Stella/Oct%2019/spoon%20feeding.JPG |
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| 12:42.24 | ws2k3 | lol,, |
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| 12:42.52 | ws2k3 | oO |
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| 12:43.04 | jhala | on my debian lenny server i am not able to ping localhost or ping hostname or even ping ip |
| 12:43.27 | jhala | where are the firewall and port and ping settings on lenny |
| 12:43.52 | uwe | hello, i've did an update on my debian 6 lately, and it installed a new kernel that seemed to replace the existing one, not got installed alongside, how can i see the "justification" of this update ? i googled it and looked into man pages, but i seem to lack the correct keywords to find what im looking for, any hint is appreciated. |
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| 12:44.12 | Bushmills | jhala: there is no firewall unless you set one up (or installed a package doing that for you) |
| 12:44.49 | Bushmills | if you set one up, you know where you place the files. if it was a package you installed it depends on the package |
| 12:45.24 | jhala | Bushmills : but what do i know |
| 12:45.38 | Bushmills | i don't know what you know |
| 12:45.45 | jhala | i can ping from outside will get a reponse also but not from server |
| 12:45.45 | ws2k3 | bushmills with the modified config my vsftpd server is starting right now but i'm unable to login. i try to setup virtual users with the guide i send u what do u think is the best prepose to trubbleshoot this |
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| 12:46.51 | Bushmills | jhala: is there a router between outside and your computer? |
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| 12:47.52 | jhala | Bushmills: its a server - a vps. no idea if they have one. |
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| 12:48.31 | Bushmills | jhala: what happens if you ping 127.0.0.1 ? |
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| 12:48.58 | jhala | it sends many packets no reponse |
| 12:49.24 | Bushmills | how does one line of "many packets sent" look like? |
| 12:49.41 | jelly | jhala: pastebin the output of ifconfig -a |
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| 12:55.03 | ws2k3 | bushmills with the modified config my vsftpd server is starting right now but i'm unable to login. i try to setup virtual users with the guide i send u what do u think is the best prepose to trubbleshoot this |
| 12:55.26 | Bushmills | ws2k3: reading logs is often a good idea |
| 12:55.52 | Bushmills | those may tell you *why* you can't log in |
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| 12:57.41 | ws2k3 | i already know why its say sincorrect login |
| 12:57.55 | Bushmills | then use a correct login |
| 12:58.13 | ws2k3 | i use a correct login |
| 12:58.22 | ws2k3 | i have created the user as descriped there |
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| 12:58.27 | Bushmills | but log says that it's an incorrect login |
| 12:58.56 | ws2k3 | yeah i know that.. thats why i was asking wow i should trubbleshoot it |
| 12:59.09 | ws2k3 | maby something is wrong with the PAM module but i dont know how to test/know that |
| 13:00.08 | Karen_m | I need to remove mysql-common, but it has dependancies, and i need to install a new version from percona. How can I remove mysql-common, and put percona's mysql-common in there without uninstalling all the apps that require mysql-common? |
| 13:00.36 | Bushmills | simplify. use an authentication which allows you to login successfully. then observer what you're changing to cause refusing logins again |
| 13:00.53 | Bushmills | focus on what you've changed then |
| 13:01.43 | jhala | jelly: i dont know why my firefox browser is acting in a weird way . when i paste into pastebin.com and submit it gives me some post.php to download!!! |
| 13:01.55 | jelly | !paste |
| 13:01.55 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 13:02.07 | ws2k3 | wel.. i cant login with root to.. |
| 13:02.12 | jelly | jhala: find one that works for you, eh |
| 13:02.31 | jhala | jelly: its happening even on paste.org |
| 13:02.54 | jelly | ws2k3: root is always special, you shouldn't be able to log in to ftpd as root anyway |
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| 13:03.10 | SorryUser | I'm trying to use EBtables.. but they don't seem to work at all..? |
| 13:03.16 | ws2k3 | with a local user i cant logint o. |
| 13:03.18 | ws2k3 | to. |
| 13:03.45 | jhala | jelly: can i pm the o/p |
| 13:05.12 | jelly | jhala: no, sorry. Try using pastebinit: ifconfig -a | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com |
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| 13:05.58 | jelly | jhala: I'm guessing that for some reason your "lo" device isn't configured |
| 13:06.45 | wols | Karen_m: does percona give you a .deb? |
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| 13:06.56 | ws2k3 | and i already restarted the ftp server a couple of times |
| 13:07.10 | wols | ws2k3: have you checked logs? |
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| 13:08.24 | ws2k3 | wols. in /var/log/vsftpd.log there is no recent error messages |
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| 13:10.08 | wols | ws2k3: increase the log level then. and pam has its own logging too IIRC |
| 13:10.22 | CyL | Hi, I'm having a really hard time setting wireless up on my Debian Squeeze laptop (Broadcom 4312 wireless nic). The computer is able to see the wireless AP's within range, but cannot connect to them, I already tried to use Network Manager and Wicd (enabling debug mode on wich produces the following kernel debug messages http://paste.debian.net/119683/). Since other devices are able to connect to these same AP's, I'm sure th |
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| 13:13.58 | Karen_m | wols, yes |
| 13:14.07 | ws2k3 | wols vsftpd just say LOGIN FAILED |
| 13:14.28 | Karen_m | how do I tell aptitude that.. percona-mysql-common, satisfies mysql-common? simply trying to install mytop wants to remove the percona binaries and stuff. |
| 13:14.29 | ws2k3 | but i cant login with unix local users to.. to we dont even come to the PAM module |
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| 13:15.37 | wols | Karen_m: then can't you just install that .deb you get which will replace mysql-common? |
| 13:15.52 | wols | !tell Karen_m about equivs |
| 13:17.45 | wols | ws2k3: pastebin your vsftpd.conf? |
| 13:18.49 | ws2k3 | http://pastebin.com/uT5jK2Lp |
| 13:20.51 | wols | ws2k3: why can't you use the standard config to start frm? |
| 13:21.00 | ws2k3 | i did |
| 13:21.05 | ws2k3 | and that worked |
| 13:21.39 | ws2k3 | so then i removed everything and i entere the config thet was requered in the guide |
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| 13:26.00 | tapwag | Hello, I would like to ask when a new point release is going to be released (6.0.2) and if Debian also offers a LXDE-Desktop, if so how many DVDs do I have to download? |
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| 13:27.07 | wols | ws2k3: I'd start from the default conf again and change one setting at a time. either it then works or it breaks at one setting which you then know to be faulty |
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| 13:35.35 | ws2k3 | wols i'm now doing that |
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| 13:38.15 | abrotman | tapwag: you only have to download the netinst, there is a CD that has LXDE on it though |
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| 13:40.08 | nubcake | any suggestions how to get my msql back working? i tried /etc/init.d/mysql restart/start but it doesn't start up, says "failed" after some seconds |
| 13:40.25 | nubcake | i also looked into /var/log/mysql.err and mysql.log but those are empty.. |
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| 13:40.52 | tapwag | abrotman: Thanks for the info. The problem that I have though is that the PC I want to install it on doesn't have a broadband connection, so I though about downloading the ISOs from a different PC. |
| 13:40.53 | stew | nubcake: did you recently upgrade? |
| 13:41.04 | stew | nubcake: does /etc/mysql/my.cnf contain "skip-bdb"? |
| 13:41.08 | nubcake | stew: yes i did |
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| 13:41.13 | nubcake | hold on a second |
| 13:41.15 | introuble | for 30 pcs and one file server. is it possible to give limited ammount of internet bandwidth to each pc or group of pcs , with the help of router or switch + filter keywords of websites? (i dont want to make a didicated server for that job) ? |
| 13:41.36 | nubcake | "skip-bdb" not found |
| 13:41.53 | stew | nubcake: i'd run "mysqld" by hand as root, and see if you get an err on stderr |
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| 13:42.29 | joltcan | introuble: depends on the functionality of the router, if it can run linux you could always have a look at the advanced linux router docu to see some shaping examples |
| 13:42.31 | nubcake | several errors, i'll pastebin it really quick |
| 13:42.37 | abrotman | tapwag: that's your decision, i'm just saying there is a CD that has a basical install for lxde |
| 13:42.42 | abrotman | basic |
| 13:42.48 | introuble | joltcan can a router do it? |
| 13:43.17 | wols | introuble: sure. but it all depends on what the router runs. your typical broadband router usually cannot |
| 13:43.46 | introuble | wols router for windows say: all clients are windows |
| 13:43.52 | introuble | joltcan ^ |
| 13:44.03 | wols | introuble: how is this a debian related question again? |
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| 13:44.23 | tapwag | The thing is that I would really like to have as much software as possible on the DVD (also software like GIMP) and including as many bugfixes as possible, that's why I asked about the next point-release.. |
| 13:44.29 | Alfil_Kamikaze1 | spanish debian?? |
| 13:44.35 | introuble | wols i use debbian as server. |
| 13:44.36 | wols | !es |
| 13:44.36 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 13:44.47 | nubcake | stew: http://pastebin.com/KRv3vNhu |
| 13:44.51 | Alfil_Kamikaze1 | thank you |
| 13:45.02 | joltcan | introuble: you have to be specific. There are thousands of different routers, I have no idea what you are using |
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| 13:45.30 | joltcan | introuble: I would use a linksys router that can have debian installed on it, but thats me |
| 13:45.38 | stew | nubcake: try running mysql_upgrade? |
| 13:45.42 | nubcake | if i try to cd into /var/run/mysqld it tells me the directory is invalid |
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| 13:45.48 | nubcake | i tried, says command not found |
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| 13:46.08 | introuble | joltcan how can a router install an os on it |
| 13:46.24 | Aut0Exec | hi guys... whats the package I install to get my terminal resolution smaller? |
| 13:46.29 | valdyn | introuble: unsurprisingly just like any other computer |
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| 13:47.18 | joltcan | introuble: some cisco routers can do shaping based on IP's, but that's outside my scope of knowledge. I guess you have to do a fair bit of googling |
| 13:47.34 | introuble | k |
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| 13:48.06 | ws2k3 | wolf it now works with local users. |
| 13:48.31 | ws2k3 | where should i find the logfile for PAM<? |
| 13:49.00 | wols | ws2k3: /var/log like all logfiles |
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| 13:49.06 | stew | ws2k3: typically /var/log/auth.lolg |
| 13:49.08 | stew | log* |
| 13:49.23 | stew | nubcake: what version of mysql is installed? |
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| 13:49.43 | nubcake | stew: i dont really know, how do i check this? |
| 13:50.01 | stew | nubcake: check the version of the mysql-common package |
| 13:50.20 | nubcake | ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.51a |
| 13:50.23 | nubcake | that ? |
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| 13:50.38 | stew | nubcake: what does "dpkg -l mysql-common" return? |
| 13:51.07 | nubcake | 5.1.49-3 |
| 13:51.22 | stew | nubcake: where did the 5.0.51a string come from? |
| 13:51.27 | nubcake | and some weird strings above |
| 13:51.29 | ws2k3 | in auth.log is says user unknown |
| 13:51.33 | nubcake | uhm.. from mysql --version |
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| 13:52.09 | stew | nubcake: are you in the middle of upgrading to squeeze from lenny? or what? |
| 13:52.15 | nubcake | i guess so |
| 13:52.27 | nubcake | i'm at the database upgrade point |
| 13:52.46 | nubcake | where it tells me to enter the administrative users password |
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| 13:53.51 | ws2k3 | if i make change to the pam.d config file do u need to restart it or something? |
| 13:54.34 | stew | nubcake: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy mysql-client-5.0 mysql-client-5.1 mysql-server-5.0 mysql-server-5.1 libc6" |
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| 13:55.38 | nubcake | stew: http://pastebin.com/BGd0bLmT |
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| 13:58.11 | ws2k3 | i have vsftpd now working with local users. only the virtual users still fails. auth.log say unknown user. but i'm sure i configured /etc/pam.d/vsftpd correcly and i know for sure that the passwd file exsist at that location and a user is created. |
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| 14:01.02 | introuble | for 30 pcs and one file server. is it possible to give limited ammount of internet bandwidth to each pc or group of pcs , with the help of router or switch (i dont want to make a didicated server for that job) ? |
| 14:01.26 | petemc | introuble: as you were told before, it depends on the router |
| 14:01.57 | introuble | petemc my router is aztech . it has qos and cos1 2 3 options. i dont know that it can do it or not. how to do it |
| 14:01.57 | wols | introuble: and as you were told before: unless the router runs debian, you are OT |
| 14:02.34 | ws2k3 | if it has qos then u can |
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| 14:03.44 | karlpinc | I want to read up on a kernel configuration parameter. Is there a package I can install (aside from the kernel source/make config)? Or are the docs on the web? |
| 14:03.51 | antivirtel | hi! could someone anwser to my question: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/14841/fail2ban-block-with-iptables-doesnt-work-on-debian-lenny ? |
| 14:04.06 | ws2k3 | wols i think i configured it correctly but it still dont work with virtual users. |
| 14:04.15 | ws2k3 | local users works now but virtual users arent |
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| 14:04.40 | wols | and how did you configure virtual users? what mechanism? |
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| 14:05.22 | lusotux | ws2k3, have you restarted vsftpd? |
| 14:05.30 | ws2k3 | yes |
| 14:05.36 | ws2k3 | i have rebooted to be sure. |
| 14:05.53 | ws2k3 | http://wasdak.blogspot.com/2011/02/setup-virtual-users-and-directories-in.html |
| 14:05.59 | ws2k3 | with PAM module |
| 14:06.12 | karlpinc | ws2k3: Sounds like something you'd do with pam. (But I'm afraid I'm not going to dive into vsftp configuration. There's always the <readme.debian>, but this sounds like a generic vsftp question.) |
| 14:06.38 | ws2k3 | i'm sure the problemn ist vsftpd |
| 14:06.48 | karlpinc | ws2k3: After fussing with pam all you need to do is restart the daemon to pick up the new configs. |
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| 14:07.04 | ws2k3 | because vsftpd ask nicely to pam if the user is allowd to login |
| 14:07.07 | karlpinc | ws2k3: What do the logs say? (Always a good starting point.) |
| 14:07.10 | ws2k3 | only pam is saying this user does not exsist |
| 14:07.16 | somiaj | karlpinc: there are pages on the web that contain the same description of the config you see under <help> with make menuconfig, just look up the option in google. As for more info you will sometimes have to reference documents in the source or other documents. |
| 14:07.19 | ws2k3 | Jun 13 16:04:55 debian vsftpd: pam_unix(vsftpd:auth): check pass; user unknown |
| 14:07.19 | ws2k3 | Jun 13 16:04:55 debian vsftpd: pam_unix(vsftpd:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ftp ruser=minecraft rhost=10.0.0.105 |
| 14:07.43 | karlpinc | somiaj: Uhnnn. Off to google then. :( |
| 14:08.00 | wols | ws2k3: I'm fairly sure your problem is pam or rather your config of it |
| 14:08.17 | ws2k3 | yes i know |
| 14:08.18 | ws2k3 | http://pastebin.com/uCw54YRi |
| 14:08.23 | ws2k3 | this is my config file for pam |
| 14:08.32 | karlpinc | ws2k3: What database are you validating against? Have you checked it's logs (if it's accessed via a daemon)? |
| 14:08.51 | ws2k3 | htpasswd file |
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| 14:09.35 | ansgar | ws2k3: So what might those @include statements do? |
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| 14:10.00 | somiaj | karlpinc: linux kernl CONFIG_OPTION is usually a good palce to start. |
| 14:10.18 | ws2k3 | i dont know. this is the default config |
| 14:10.24 | ws2k3 | that is provided by debian |
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| 14:10.35 | ws2k3 | i only added what the guide told me to |
| 14:10.38 | ws2k3 | http://wasdak.blogspot.com/2011/02/setup-virtual-users-and-directories-in.html |
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| 14:10.56 | wols | ws2k3: insert your special pam config at line 2 |
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| 14:11.55 | wols | karlpinc: what kernel configuration parameter? a command line parameter? a CONFIG setting in .config, an entry in /proc or /sys? |
| 14:12.01 | thewanderer1 | hi. is there a tool that assembles scattered text? say, I've got pieces of a text file - lots of duplicates, some holes. I'd like to assemble this into as few parts as possible, ideally one contigious file. |
| 14:12.45 | petemc | thewanderer1: theres fslint, but its not magic |
| 14:12.56 | ws2k3 | wols i did. |
| 14:13.03 | ws2k3 | still incorrect |
| 14:13.04 | jhala | jelly: you ther? |
| 14:14.12 | ansgar | ws2k3: Do you understand what the pam config you have does? |
| 14:15.08 | thewanderer1 | petemc: thanks, I don't have a filesystem here though |
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| 14:16.40 | petemc | thewanderer1: really? how do you access the files then? |
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| 14:17.19 | thewanderer1 | petemc: I recover 16384-byte chunks of data containing text from a broken RAID5 array |
| 14:17.36 | petemc | recover them to where? |
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| 14:18.22 | thewanderer1 | to a text file where the binary chunks that possibly contain my text are stored and separated by \n----------\n |
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| 14:19.43 | thewanderer1 | so this is technically not a filesystem, it's what remains of one |
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| 14:20.14 | jelly | jhala: no -- ask the channel :-) |
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| 14:22.15 | thewanderer1 | oh well, I suppose I can use some grep-like filtering and use the neural network that my brain provides for fuzzy pattern matching... was just asking to know if I could handle this in a better way |
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| 14:35.22 | karlpinc | I'm having a problem getting a shared usb scanner working under squeeze. As root sane-find-scanner works, as does scanimage -L. But 'su -s /bin/dash -c "scanimage -L" saned' does not find anything and I can't find anything from any of the other boxes on the network either (via saned on the scanner's box). |
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| 14:37.43 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: is this a dedicated scanner device, or a multi-function device like HP PhotoSmart? |
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| 14:44.15 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: It's a scanner/printer. But I had it working under lenny. |
| 14:44.27 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: The printing part works fine. |
| 14:46.10 | karlpinc | /lib/udev/rules.d/60-libsane-rules says "# For Linux >= 2.6.22 without CONFIG_USB_DEVICE_CLASS=y\n# If the following rule does not exist on your system yet, uncomment it\n# ENV{DEVTYPE}=="usb_device", MODE="0664", OWNER="root", GROUP="root", which I tried (and power cycled the scanner) but it didn't fix it. |
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| 14:47.44 | karlpinc | I can't seem to find anything in /sys for the scanner, but then again it works as root.... |
| 14:47.57 | iateadonut | what is a good service for a dedicated linux server? |
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| 14:48.36 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: I've had a similar issue - it's probably the printer stanzas taking over the USB device and chowning it to printer or whatever the group name is |
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| 14:48.57 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: check the device node and see if it's owned by anything printer-related |
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| 14:49.10 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: I can't find the device node. |
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| 14:50.59 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: (scanimage -L says "epson2:libusb:001:006" which isn't helpful. |
| 14:51.07 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: should be somewhere in /sys/bus/usb/ |
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| 14:51.55 | thewanderer1 | in devices/ following the number it gave you might find the device node |
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| 14:52.48 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: ls /sys/bus/usb/devices/ says 1-0:1.0 1-1:1.0 1-2 1-2:1.0 1-2.2 1-2.2:1.1 1-1 1-1:1.1 1-2.1 1-2.1:1.0 1-2.2:1.0 usb1 |
| 14:53.20 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: But lsusb says Bus 001 Device 006: ID 04b8:0818 Seiko Epson Corp. Stylus CX3700/CX3800/DX3800 |
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| 14:53.52 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: So where's bus 1 device 6 in /sys/bus/usb/devices/? |
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| 14:55.04 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: try usb1/1-6/ |
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| 14:56.43 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: Does not exist. But 1-1 idProduct and idVendor is right. (Go figure. I can never figure out what's going on in sys.) |
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| 14:57.42 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: ok, what does devnum contain? 6? |
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| 14:58.04 | miltio | hi |
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| 14:58.57 | miltio | I'm getting these messages on a intel board S3420GP |
| 14:58.59 | miltio | ACPI Error: Field [CPB3] at 96 exceeds Buffer [NULL] size 64 (bits) (20090903/dsopcode-596) |
| 14:58.59 | miltio | : ACPI Error (psparse-0537): Method parse/execution failed [\_SB_._OSC] (Node ffff88015ba42d20), AE_AML_BUFFER_LIMIT |
| 14:59.20 | miltio | debian squeeze stock 2.6.32-5-amd64 kernel |
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| 14:59.42 | thewanderer1 | oh, aren't we all used to seeing crappy ACPIs on Intel boards? :P |
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| 14:59.59 | miltio | I've already last mobo firmware |
| 15:00.26 | miltio | thewanderer1: hmm, can I safely ignore them? |
| 15:00.56 | thewanderer1 | miltio: that's what I've been doing... Intel hardly ever fixes ACPI bugs like this |
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| 15:01.29 | thewanderer1 | alternatively, if this is a DSDT defect, you might want to find a fixed one and compile the kernel with that |
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| 15:02.03 | miltio | thewanderer1: I can ignore them if they are not critical |
| 15:02.11 | miltio | but how can I know? |
| 15:02.25 | miltio | at first I disabled all C-states in bios |
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| 15:02.33 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: http://paste.debian.net/119696/ is the ls -lh output of 1-1 (orry for the delay. had to install pastebinit) |
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| 15:03.02 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: Yes. 6. |
| 15:03.04 | AntiVigilante | kdeinit4 and kded4 have 100% cpu usage |
| 15:03.25 | AntiVigilante | anyone else seeing that? |
| 15:03.44 | thewanderer1 | miltio: try searching for this message on the Web, people often run into similar issues |
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| 15:04.35 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: ok, this is your device... what is the ownership and mode of /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.2/usb1/1-1 ? |
| 15:04.45 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: What in there is the actual device? |
| 15:05.21 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 0 Jun 13 09:26 /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.2/usb1/1-1 |
| 15:06.06 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: (And how the hell did you know that path?) |
| 15:07.33 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: I just looked at the symlink targets :P now I'm not sure of the exact solution, but you might want to look around that dir and search for files owned by non-root |
| 15:08.13 | thewanderer1 | if it turns out that it's the printer UID capturing the device, you go to the respective file in udev rules and set the permissions accordingly |
| 15:08.39 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: The deal is that saned is running saned:scanner. I suppose I could change that, but surely I shouldn't be running it as root. I'd expect udev to chgrp scanner "the right thing", but damm if I can figure out what that is. |
| 15:09.21 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: yeah but your device is sharing its usb dev node with printer |
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| 15:09.46 | Famic | hi |
| 15:09.50 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: Nothing in there is non-root, but I've not traversed the subdirs for fear of /sys. |
| 15:10.08 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: I see. |
| 15:10.24 | thewanderer1 | have you got some user that should be owning the printer node now? |
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| 15:10.36 | Famic | I've installed iptraf, looked at the monito screen, tried to apply a filter, removed it... and now it doesn't show any traffic and I get "Error opening IP filter data file" at startup. Any idea ? |
| 15:10.39 | thewanderer1 | might be worth searching /sys with find, looking for files of that particular user |
| 15:10.43 | miltio | thewanderer1: I found a HP note related to those ACPI errors: |
| 15:10.46 | miltio | "These messages occur when the operating system is configured to display and log debug output messages and is unable to parse or execute a specific ACPI runtime interface provided by the System ROM. These message are benign and do not affect the operation of the server." |
| 15:10.55 | miltio | "This issue is exposed by the stricter sanity checks in Linux kernel versions 2.6.32 and later" |
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| 15:11.10 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: ls -lh /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.2/usb1/1-1 | pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net says http://paste.debian.net/119697/ fwiw. |
| 15:11.18 | thewanderer1 | milto, that's okay then - just another way of saying "our ACPI sucks but it's non-critical" |
| 15:11.40 | miltio | eh eh |
| 15:12.35 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: Nothing in /sys has group scanner. What else should I be looking for? |
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| 15:13.27 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: no, I meant the other group, the one the printer uses... don't have a printer here so can't really check |
| 15:13.38 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: What particular user would be running the printer? (I'm sharing the printer fine with cups. Works well. The pre-processing is done elsewhere and the result is sent and printed.) |
| 15:13.57 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: Let me see what cups runs as. |
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| 15:15.23 | karlpinc | Ugh. I hate having to figure out ps format codes. |
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| 15:19.43 | thewanderer1 | well, maybe the problem is the other way around - the device is not in the udev's rules... |
| 15:20.17 | thewanderer1 | try adding a rule to /lib/udev/rules.d/60-libsane.rules |
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| 15:21.20 | GNU\colossus | (when) will there be a Debian package for the software mentioned here? http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/free-rarv3-extraction |
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| 15:22.14 | babilen | GNU\colossus: You could package it, file an RFP or check the status of an ITP if it has already been proposed. (/msg dpkg rfp -- /msg dpkg itp) |
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| 15:25.54 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: Well that was useless. cupsd seems to run as root:root. (Which might mean the device is wrongly re-assiged to root:root, but that does not help me find the right one.) |
| 15:26.28 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: The vendor and product id are in /lib/udev/rules.d/ rules. I can't say if it's invoked, but.... |
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| 15:27.16 | project2501a | HAI REDDIT |
| 15:27.24 | project2501a | oops, wrong channel |
| 15:27.53 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: if you do change the ownership to scanner and permissions to 0775, can you scanimage -L as saned? |
| 15:28.16 | thewanderer1 | (you could try this with the whole directory of the USB device, recursively) |
| 15:28.51 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: FWIW the rule is in the libsane-extras package/rule set. |
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| 15:29.18 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: Recursivly? Every time I wander around in /sys I get into a loop. Are you sure? |
| 15:29.55 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: (I'd want to change the group to scanner.) |
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| 15:30.25 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: (I suppose I could change the owner to saned, just to test...) |
| 15:30.51 | omes | good morning |
| 15:31.08 | omes | or day even hehe |
| 15:32.25 | dirtycookie | hi peeps, i have just installed and configured apache sucessfully. i have configured it in such a way so that it will only respond to http requests of a specific subnet. how can i tell apache to respond to users that are outside the subnet with 404 response codes |
| 15:32.26 | dirtycookie | ?? |
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| 15:34.38 | karlpinc | dirtycookie: Probably with a modrewrite rule (Rewrite). I forget. Check the apache docs. |
| 15:34.53 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: yeah, try it |
| 15:35.09 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: First I figure out how to put it back without rebooting. |
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| 15:35.47 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: if all is owned there by root anyway, you can chown it back :P |
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| 15:36.34 | sacredchao | I want to use rsync to copy all files/folders that are not hidden (do not begin with '.') only... is this the default behaviour or do I need to specify this behaviour? |
| 15:38.33 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: chown -R saned:scanner didn't do anything. :-P |
| 15:38.49 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: scanimage -L still reports nothing. |
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| 15:39.31 | karlpinc | sacredchao: Search the man page for 'glob'. |
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| 15:40.28 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: (Or rather: su -s /bin/dash -c "scanimage -L" saned reports no scanners.) |
| 15:41.12 | karlpinc | sacredchao: I strongly suspect the default is to copy everything. |
| 15:41.57 | sacredchao | karlpinc: as do I |
| 15:42.26 | karlpinc | sacredchao: There's --exclude pattern matching, or some such. |
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| 16:02.03 | Jef91 | whats the english language package called in debian? |
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| 16:04.07 | SpaceJockey | Jef91: ringrish-dev |
| 16:05.16 | Jef91 | spacejockey that package doesn't exist and even if it did doesn't sound like it has anything to do with language |
| 16:05.27 | SpaceJockey | yeah, bad joke. |
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| 16:06.28 | Jef91 | been looking |
| 16:06.31 | Jef91 | but I can't find it |
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| 16:06.49 | nkuttler | Jef91: which package? |
| 16:07.06 | Jef91 | English language package |
| 16:07.15 | nkuttler | for? |
| 16:07.30 | Jef91 | general system support for the language |
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| 16:07.48 | nkuttler | english is probably the default for almost all packages |
| 16:08.00 | Jef91 | I'm trying to build some packages |
| 16:08.04 | Jef91 | and it's telling me it's not installed |
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| 16:08.12 | nkuttler | !tell Jef91 about errors |
| 16:08.42 | Jef91 | sighs |
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| 16:23.08 | liquid-silence | anyone here know anything about postfix its not allowing relay through it |
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| 16:23.25 | liquid-silence | but I can telnet from my local machine to port 25 on the server |
| 16:23.52 | flu- | I'd like to have a command run as a particular user when the system starts in the default runlevels. Is the script in /etc/rc.local the right tool for this job? |
| 16:23.59 | wols | dreamed: a MTA not relaying is the default |
| 16:24.12 | liquid-silence | wols the thing is |
| 16:24.14 | wols | liquid-silence: you need to be more specific |
| 16:24.20 | liquid-silence | its a account that is hosted by the machine |
| 16:24.50 | wols | then it's not relaying. so what does the mail.log say? |
| 16:25.06 | liquid-silence | MAIL FROM:<charl@yellowlight.co.za> |
| 16:25.07 | liquid-silence | 250 2.1.0 Ok |
| 16:25.07 | liquid-silence | RCPT TO:<jeanre@gmail.com> |
| 16:25.07 | liquid-silence | 554 5.7.1 <jeanre@gmail.com>: Relay access denied |
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| 16:25.35 | Onryo | I'm using a 2 Watt Alfa AWUS036NH. Mostly for pen. testing. Are there any 100% FOSS firmware drivers for this thing. My old 500mW Alpha AWUS036H works right out of the box. |
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| 16:25.41 | liquid-silence | sorry |
| 16:25.51 | ansgar | liquid-silence: And? Why should it relay that mail? |
| 16:26.27 | liquid-silence | well the from account exists on the machine |
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| 16:26.35 | liquid-silence | but no mail clients can connect to the smtp |
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| 16:27.05 | ansgar | liquid-silence: So you would allow any spammer to use it as a relay just because he uses the right from address? |
| 16:27.21 | liquid-silence | no |
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| 16:27.44 | liquid-silence | the from account is a account hosted on the server, not even with authentication can the user connect to the smtp |
| 16:28.49 | ansgar | liquid-silence: Whene "can not connect" means? |
| 16:29.37 | liquid-silence | bthe mail.info log just says |
| 16:29.46 | liquid-silence | connection from xxx -< lost connection |
| 16:29.49 | liquid-silence | weird |
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| 16:31.26 | liquid-silence | http://pastie.org/2061609 |
| 16:31.28 | liquid-silence | thats the log |
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| 16:31.57 | s3a | What's the difference between >> and > in the CLI? |
| 16:32.30 | ragnar76 | s3a: ">" write to a new file, ">>" append to an exeisting file |
| 16:32.35 | iateadonut | is it advisable, after my server has all the programs that it will need, to have this single line in the sources.list file: deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free - and then have cron execute: apt-get update every 24 hours? |
| 16:32.44 | s3a | Ragnar, thanks! :) |
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| 16:33.19 | flu- | s3a: more info at http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Bourne_Shell_Scripting/Files_and_streams#Redirecting_standard_error_.28and_other_streams.29 |
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| 16:33.58 | ansgar | liquid-silence: But that is for some other session than the one you pasted in the channel before? |
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| 16:34.16 | wols | iateadonut: imho no, but your choice. there is also cron-apt btw |
| 16:34.17 | liquid-silence | the one in the channel before was a telnet session |
| 16:34.20 | liquid-silence | not from a mail client |
| 16:34.30 | s3a | flu-, thanks also |
| 16:35.33 | iateadonut | wols, so how do you think a person should keep their security updates up to date? |
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| 16:36.26 | wols | iateadonut: by manually doing it? there is a reason why windows update which is automatic once in a while crashes a lot of windows installations. your choice |
| 16:36.38 | wols | liquid-silence: grep mynetworks /etc/postfix/main.cf |
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| 16:37.16 | ansgar | liquid-silence: And the client should authenticate via username/password? |
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| 16:37.53 | liquid-silence | mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 |
| 16:37.57 | liquid-silence | ansgar yup |
| 16:38.22 | liquid-silence | wols and some items with proxy_read_maps |
| 16:38.39 | wols | liquid-silence: and reom where are you telnetting from to that mailserver? |
| 16:38.47 | wols | *and from |
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| 16:39.04 | liquid-silence | from my local pc outside the network |
| 16:39.39 | wols | hence it's a relay and the server rightfully denies it. please tell us what kind of mail setup you want/need. do NOT edit the mynetworks line |
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| 16:40.03 | liquid-silence | ok what I want is for my mail client to be able to send mail through the mail server |
| 16:40.07 | liquid-silence | with authentication |
| 16:40.15 | ansgar | liquid-silence: What did you do to configure client authentication? Did you test it somehow? |
| 16:40.17 | liquid-silence | eg. the username and password of the mailbox |
| 16:40.43 | s3a | what do i have to change for this to work?: ("Hello%n" + uname -r) > /tmp/out2.txt |
| 16:40.47 | liquid-silence | postfix + courier + mysql |
| 16:40.54 | wols | liquid-silence: http://postfix.state-of-mind.de/patrick.koetter/smtpauth/ |
| 16:41.05 | dahankzter | How does this "testing" vs "unstable" etc reaally work? I come from Arch mainly and installed testing now since it seemed to move in the same way |
| 16:41.10 | s3a | i only know java so i tried %n and \ |
| 16:41.29 | dahankzter | However chrome-browser is version 6 it seems |
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| 16:41.59 | dahankzter | kernel is farly new but other things are really old? |
| 16:42.08 | dahankzter | how much is testing really rolling? |
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| 16:43.05 | s3a | dahankzter, daily |
| 16:43.10 | s3a | dahankzter, or every two days |
| 16:43.11 | s3a | i think |
| 16:43.28 | s3a | but i found wheezy/testing to be really stable |
| 16:43.32 | dahankzter | ok so i can expect updates quite often? |
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| 16:43.37 | s3a | dahankzter, ya |
| 16:43.41 | wols | dahankzter: usually new packages go into sid, if for ~2 weeks no major error creeps up it goes into testing |
| 16:43.44 | dahankzter | i don't mind it, in fact i want new stuff |
| 16:44.10 | dahankzter | but ex chromium is version 6, how can that be? |
| 16:44.12 | s3a | dahankzter, the thing with testing is that usually major stuff don't make it in for long but everything small like pidgin makes frequent updates |
| 16:44.29 | liquid-silence | wols I am already using saslauthd |
| 16:44.36 | wols | ,versions chromium |
| 16:44.36 | s3a | dahankzter, that's because it's waiting for something else for version 11 to come in |
| 16:44.37 | judd | Package chromium on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.13.2-1; squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; sid: 11.0.696.71~r86024-1 |
| 16:44.38 | dahankzter | ye i would expect kernel to move somewhat slower |
| 16:44.44 | s3a | dahankzter, kernel is 2.6.38 |
| 16:44.46 | s3a | in testing |
| 16:44.48 | wols | liquid-silence: well, you weren't authenticating in your telnet paste |
| 16:44.50 | uwe | hello, i'm not sure im clear, i've did an update on my debian 6 lately, and it installed a new kernel that seemed to replace the existing one, not got installed alongside, how can i see the "justification" of this update ? i googled it and looked into man pages, but i seem to lack the correct keywords to find what im looking for, any hint is appreciated. |
| 16:44.51 | dahankzter | yep |
| 16:45.03 | liquid-silence | wols this is from a mail client |
| 16:45.05 | wols | dahankzter: so where do you see chromium 6? |
| 16:45.16 | dahankzter | maybe im looking wo |
| 16:45.19 | dahankzter | rong |
| 16:45.22 | s3a | dahankzter, http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=chromium-browser |
| 16:45.24 | dahankzter | but in chromium itself |
| 16:45.28 | s3a | wols, http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=chromium-browser |
| 16:45.28 | dahankzter | it says 6 |
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| 16:45.54 | dahankzter | ah v8 needs a bump? |
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| 16:47.05 | s3a | dahankzter, would you mind building deb files yourself for a few packages like chromium? |
| 16:47.10 | liquid-silence | wols the only issue I have is that I can see the mail client connecting but then dropping the connection straight after helo is sent.... I cannot trace the logs |
| 16:47.41 | s3a | dahankzter, it would be detected by the package management system and if a newer version than the compiled one is in testing, you'd upgrade your compiled package |
| 16:47.44 | dahankzter | i wouldnt mind, just dont really know how. |
| 16:47.58 | ansgar | liquid-silence: You could try authenticating via telnet. Or use a packet sniffer to see what your MUA does. |
| 16:48.07 | s3a | dahankzter, do you know how to use the cd command? |
| 16:48.17 | dahankzter | yes, linux fluent mostly |
| 16:48.38 | thewanderer1 | uwe: stable updates do not change functionality, only fix security bugs, so replacing a kernel with the same version but with added security patches is fine |
| 16:48.56 | s3a | dahankzter, ok so cd into a directory then apt-get source chromium-browser (make sure that you have sid-src in the sources.list) |
| 16:49.03 | s3a | then dpkg-buildpackage |
| 16:49.04 | wols | liquid-silence: of course you can. your irc client might log, postfix might, you can sniff the connection, etc. |
| 16:49.07 | chipotle | how do i check to see if aptitude has the ssl module installed with the nginx package? |
| 16:49.17 | dahankzter | ok sec |
| 16:49.25 | jelly-home | dahankzter: for the backporting procedure, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 16:49.26 | s3a | dahankzter, k |
| 16:49.29 | wols | liquid-silence: IIRC thunderbird has logs you can look at |
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| 16:49.49 | wols | chipotle: is this ssl module a different package or what? |
| 16:50.01 | wols | chipotle: to see if a package is installed: dpkg -l |
| 16:50.24 | s3a | what do i have to change for this to work?: ("Hello%n" + uname -r) > /tmp/out2.txt |
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| 16:50.37 | s3a | i want out2.txt to say Hello then line break then the kernel |
| 16:50.46 | wols | uwe: have you looked at http://security.debian.org ? |
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| 16:51.04 | jelly-home | s3a: well, your syntax is completely off |
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| 16:51.28 | wols | s3a: echo Hello `uname -r` > out.txt |
| 16:51.39 | jelly-home | s3a: ( echo Hello; uname -r ) > ... |
| 16:51.44 | liquid-silence | this is disturbing saslauthd[16356] :main : no authentication mechanism specified |
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| 16:54.50 | s3a | wolfric, jelly-home, actually i had to do (echo Hello;uname -r) > /tmp/out2.txt how does it know that there is a line break just because of ;? |
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| 16:54.58 | Pinehead | what command or program shoudl i use to see what data is currently being transfered in/out? |
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| 16:55.14 | dahankzter | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.28 | wols | cause then the echo command is done and it always ends with a newline |
| 16:55.45 | wols | Pinehead: network? wireshark, tcpdump |
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| 16:56.12 | Pinehead | yeah, my box has become unresponsive, but cpu and memory seem normal |
| 16:56.32 | s3a | wolfric, and same reason for (uname -r;echo Hello) > /tmp/out2.txt ? |
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| 16:56.49 | chipotle | wols: no it is apart of the nginx package, but it is a module that isn't built by default when installing from source |
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| 16:57.09 | wols | chipotle: you get the source and check with what options debian built it |
| 16:57.19 | chipotle | wols: how do i check the options? |
| 16:57.32 | wols | chipotle: in this case, you can also check if ssl is dependency of nginx I guess |
| 16:57.45 | wols | chipotle: you download the source and check the debian/rules |
| 16:58.03 | chipotle | how do i check the debian rules? |
| 16:58.16 | wols | by reading? |
| 16:58.22 | chipotle | reading what? |
| 16:58.23 | jelly-home | s3a: echo foo gives a \n at the end, by default |
| 16:58.32 | wols | reading the file "debian/rules" as I said |
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| 16:58.49 | Pinehead | what would i expect to see in tcpdump? |
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| 16:59.21 | wols | the exact data that is transferred right now. every single package |
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| 16:59.55 | Pinehead | what would be the best firewall to prevent doss attacks? |
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| 17:00.24 | wols | Pinehead: DOS or DDOS? |
| 17:00.31 | Pinehead | dos |
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| 17:00.47 | Pinehead | whatever blocks ip's for unnecessary hits to the box |
| 17:00.48 | s3a | jelly-home, while i do think that the default is smart, what must i do to make it have no \n or to have \n\n |
| 17:00.56 | wols | well, there is only one packet filter: iptables |
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| 17:01.12 | wols | Pinehead: defined "unecessary". there is no magic want to sort packets |
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| 17:01.23 | project2501a | that is sad |
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| 17:01.47 | project2501a | time capsule is wonderful, but you cannot use any other disk storage, other than apple products |
| 17:01.49 | Pinehead | well, basically i'm trying to find out if for some reason i got hacked and am being used as a mirror. |
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| 17:01.50 | project2501a | that... that is sad. |
| 17:01.54 | babilen | A firewall will not stop incoming packages. |
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| 17:02.11 | project2501a | babilen: candygram? |
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| 17:02.41 | wols | babilen: I sure hope my packetfilter does however |
| 17:02.55 | jelly-home | s3a: most portable thing is using printf(1) instead |
| 17:03.00 | babilen | Pinehead: you might be looking for something like fail2ban, but iptables is the one and only firewall. There are no others and you shall desire no others (unless you venture into bsd land which comes with the wonderful pf) |
| 17:03.31 | wols | Pinehead: I suggest you install and run ifstat for starters |
| 17:03.38 | kspath | Pinehead: iptraf jnettop nethogs iptstate iftop |
| 17:03.54 | wols | mea culpa. iptraf it was |
| 17:04.02 | babilen | wols: Haha, I really messed up that sentence :) I naturally meant: It will not prevent people from sending data to you :) |
| 17:04.05 | wols | kspath: thank you |
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| 17:04.30 | wols | babilen: and there I was thinking: what did babilen mean there? wtf? |
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| 17:04.39 | babilen | wols: I can imagine that :) |
| 17:04.55 | s3a | jelly-home, can you give me an exampel |
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| 17:04.58 | s3a | please |
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| 17:05.14 | wols | s3a: ever programmed C? |
| 17:05.23 | s3a | wols, no. but i did java |
| 17:05.31 | s3a | and i know how to use System.prinf() in java |
| 17:05.34 | jelly-home | s3a: it's pretty much the same as printf in any other language |
| 17:05.37 | kspath | Pinehead: sudo lsof -nP | egrep "TCP|UDP" |
| 17:05.38 | bs0d | Good day everybody. How can I get to know what parameters was a package I install using apt-get was built with? |
| 17:05.41 | wols | s3a: printf is basically the same |
| 17:05.59 | wols | bs0d: you get the source and look into debian/rules |
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| 17:06.33 | bs0d | wols: how can the source help me with this? Don't quite understand ya |
| 17:06.54 | babilen | bs0d: If you want to change something read "/msg dpkg recompile package" and "/msg dpkg debian/rules" |
| 17:07.02 | wols | bs0d: then maybe you formulate your question again. this time in logical and grammatical proper english |
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| 17:07.15 | uwe | thewanderer1, wols, thank you , i just want to know what this update is about. wols, i did, and i could not find that update, which brought the very scary idea of rootkit |
| 17:07.22 | Pinehead | kspath: what am i looking at with that lsop |
| 17:07.32 | babilen | bs0d: You look into the source of the *Debian* package which contains a makefile (debian/rules) in which the compilation options are typically defined |
| 17:07.45 | wols | uwe: right there on the first page: [24 May 2011] DSA-2240 linux-2.6 - privilege escalation/denial of service/information leak |
| 17:07.52 | kspath | Pinehead: something that should not be there in the lsof -nP output |
| 17:08.01 | Pinehead | 10.117.49.86:22 > 129 60908 -PA- eth0 This guy in "iptraf" is concerning me. Looks like it's on local somehwere |
| 17:08.19 | wols | Pinehead: you sure it's not yourself? |
| 17:08.27 | wols | Pinehead: sshing in from that ip? |
| 17:08.31 | Pinehead | no because it is me |
| 17:08.32 | Pinehead | lol |
| 17:08.35 | kspath | hehehe |
| 17:08.41 | bs0d | wols: For example, I have installed package X using apt-get, in an already pre-built form, and I need to know what configure options were used to build it |
| 17:08.48 | uwe | wols: oh thanks ! |
| 17:08.57 | wols | bs0d: and I told you |
| 17:08.57 | kspath | Pinehead: yes, I would be quite concerned with that guy! ;-) |
| 17:09.04 | uwe | i thought they would add minor numbers to it or something, not replace it ... |
| 17:09.11 | ansgar | bs0d: Why do you need to know? And you can find that in the source package just as others said. |
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| 17:09.18 | liquid-silence | wols postfix is not looking at the correct config for sasl |
| 17:09.18 | wols | bs0d: you apt-get source the package and look into debian/rules |
| 17:09.30 | s3a | jelly-home, wols, it's not the same. i had to do printf Hello instead of printf("Hello") |
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| 17:09.44 | Pinehead | this etnry in nethogs is duplicating a milltiln times.. 0 root ...86:80-190.104.4.71:45906 80452.000 2186.000 B |
| 17:09.45 | s3a | you guys probably meant "similar" |
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| 17:10.08 | wols | s3a: the syntax of various programming languages all vary. it's still "printf" which works the same everywhere |
| 17:10.10 | uwe | well, isnt there a way to get a briefing about updates from command line ? |
| 17:10.25 | jelly-home | s3a: you do have to follow the syntax of the language you're using! |
| 17:10.26 | wols | uwe: lynx! |
| 17:10.26 | Christoffer | In which source do I find firmware-linux? |
| 17:10.33 | ansgar | uwe: You could subsribe to the security annoucement mailing list. |
| 17:10.40 | s3a | jelly-home, what language is the shell? |
| 17:10.41 | wols | Christoffer: apt-get source firmware-linux |
| 17:10.42 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell s3a about bash guide |
| 17:10.47 | ansgar | uwe: And apt-get upgrade will show which packages it wants to upgrade as well. |
| 17:11.07 | babilen | Christoffer: firmware-linux, firmware-linux-free and firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 17:11.11 | kspath | uwe: you can --simulate actions to just get information |
| 17:11.16 | jelly-home | s3a: /bin/sh = Bourne shell; in Debian, it complies to POSIX shell specification |
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| 17:11.23 | uwe | im pretty sure there is some tool from dpkg/apt family that will give me that info, if i remember correctly ubuntu updates gives such info (the automatic updates gui) |
| 17:11.47 | s3a | jelly-home, ok so the "Bourne shell" is the language? |
| 17:12.04 | Christoffer | wols babilen thanks I can only find the firmware-linux-free package but I suppose that firmware-linux is only available in the 5.0 sources |
| 17:12.08 | babilen | uwe: 'aptitude search ~U' ? |
| 17:12.16 | jelly-home | s3a: the shell _is_ the language, in a way |
| 17:12.25 | uwe | hmm, let me check that babilen |
| 17:12.26 | kspath | s3a: bourne shell is just sh bourne-again shell is bash |
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| 17:12.59 | jelly-home | s3a: it just has an option where you can give it commands to interpret interactively |
| 17:13.06 | wols | ,versions firmware-linux |
| 17:13.08 | judd | Package firmware-linux on i386 -- lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28; sid/non-free: 0.30; wheezy/non-free: 0.30 |
| 17:13.21 | wols | Christoffer: as you can see it exists for squeeze too |
| 17:13.30 | kspath | s3a: csh tcsh are a family of shells sh ksh bash are another family of shells |
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| 17:13.33 | Christoffer | aha, then I haven't added the correct sources I suppose |
| 17:13.36 | babilen | Christoffer: As opposed to what? firmare-linux-nonfree is in non-free -- /msg dpkg non-free |
| 17:14.04 | wols | Christoffer: why do you need firmware sources btw? |
| 17:14.09 | babilen | Christoffer: And firmware-linux is a metapackage that depends on both firmware-linux-free and firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 17:14.31 | s3a | so bash is the language and sh ksh, etc are interpreters for bash? |
| 17:14.39 | Christoffer | E100 network drivers for an old 19'' server |
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| 17:15.08 | wols | Christoffer: get the firmware package and unpack it. no need for any sources of them |
| 17:15.18 | wols | that is if you can't install it outright |
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| 17:15.42 | Christoffer | "e100: e100/d102e_ucode.bin, e100/d101s_ucode.bin and e100/d101m_ucode.bin" |
| 17:15.49 | jelly-home | s3a: each is an interpreter for each own dialect |
| 17:16.54 | Christoffer | wols hmm, yea, no need for the source-files but I was thinking "sources" as in servers that I need to add in the "sources.list" to get the correct packages |
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| 17:17.33 | babilen | Christoffer: If you need that firmware, just enable non-free sources (i.e. the non-free suite) and install firmware-linux-nonfree (/msg dpkg non-free sources) |
| 17:17.36 | s3a | jelly-home, so is it kind of like saying an older JVM vs a newer one interpret slightly different syntax but are very similar where java is the language and the JVM is the interpreter? |
| 17:17.39 | kspath | s3: sh, ksh, bash as well as csh, tcsh all interepters |
| 17:17.40 | wols | Christoffer: then I guess we all misunderstood you :( |
| 17:18.06 | Christoffer | Yea, I suppose =) |
| 17:18.12 | kspath | s3: the syntax requirements are the language |
| 17:18.14 | Christoffer | thanks for the info I will try that |
| 17:18.18 | g00se | xdm seems to be momentarily borked on Lenny - can i restart it? |
| 17:18.33 | wols | g00se: /etc/init.d/xdm restart |
| 17:18.39 | kspath | s3a: the syntax requirements are the "language" |
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| 17:19.04 | jelly-home | s3a: there is no "one shell language" |
| 17:19.26 | s3a | so each JVM has it's own Java dialect? |
| 17:19.26 | jelly-home | g00se: restarting a *dm might kill your current X session |
| 17:19.26 | kspath | s3a: sh was before ksh (korn shell) and those were both before Bourne-Again Shell |
| 17:19.42 | s3a | like |
| 17:19.47 | s3a | i mean each dialect is its own language |
| 17:19.47 | jelly-home | but ksh93 came after first bash didn't it |
| 17:19.48 | s3a | ? |
| 17:20.04 | kspath | s3a: you can have sh, ksh, bash, zsh, csh, and tcsh and others all installed at the same time with no issues |
| 17:20.08 | jelly-home | s3a: yes. |
| 17:20.32 | kspath | s3a: sh ksh bash are very similar dialect to each other most things work the same |
| 17:20.48 | Bauer | What is the Debian equivalent to httpd binary? its NOT apache2 |
| 17:20.49 | g00se | Thanks guys |
| 17:20.50 | kspath | s3a: csh and tcsh are similar dialect most things work the same |
| 17:21.17 | s3a | ok but they're different dialects/languages technically and they're each a language |
| 17:21.23 | s3a | i am talking about sh, ksh, etc |
| 17:21.46 | jelly-home | Bauer: what do you expect it to do that /usr/sbin/apache2 doesn't? |
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| 17:22.39 | kspath | s3a: maybe it would be best to read about them in wikipedia and other sources |
| 17:22.55 | daemonkeeper | Bauer: It is, but maybe you want to use apache2ctl instead of apache2 directly |
| 17:23.13 | Bauer | jelly-home: I dont know, for instance run the equivalent of strace htpd -X 2>&1 /tmp/apache-trace |
| 17:23.21 | Bauer | because doesnt work for apache2, it exits |
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| 17:23.39 | Bauer | httpd* |
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| 17:23.53 | peterS | Bauer: 'apache2 -X' does not work? that sounds like a bug. it's supposed to work. |
| 17:24.09 | wols | Bauer: there are several different process models apache2 can use. depending on that, different binaries |
| 17:24.27 | daemonkeeper | peterS: It won't, since newer versions of apache use some magic to replace the user and PID file by default |
| 17:24.28 | peterS | wols: regardless, /usr/sbin/apache2 is a symlink to whichever one you have installed |
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| 17:24.42 | s3a | ksheurs, well i just wanted to know what is the LANGUAGE but i guess it is sh, ksh, bash, etc |
| 17:24.50 | s3a | like just that (for now) |
| 17:24.51 | jelly-home | Bauer: alright, pastebin the file generated by strace -o /tmp/apache-trace /usr/sbin/apache2 -X |
| 17:24.55 | Bauer | wols: apache2 -X seems to work, but not via strace it seems: http://codepad.org/cUURn6ZS |
| 17:25.01 | s3a | also wwhy are there arrays in a shell?? |
| 17:25.13 | jelly-home | s3a: why wouldn't there be? |
| 17:26.06 | wols | s3a: a shell is a turing complete language with lots of nice things to make writing scripts easier |
| 17:26.09 | s3a | jelly-home, o wait i just answered myself and i don;'t know how to explaijn |
| 17:26.13 | stew | Bauer: "strace apache2 -X 2>&1 /tmp/apache-trace" what is the /tmp/apache-trace supposed to be doing there? |
| 17:26.17 | s3a | ya basically scripts |
| 17:26.21 | s3a | i was thinking purely on the terminal |
| 17:26.23 | jelly-home | Bauer: you didnt redirect stdout to that file, but gave it as an argument to apache |
| 17:26.25 | stew | Bauer: do you mean perhaps >/tmp/apache-trace ? or |
| 17:26.31 | daemonkeeper | or -o |
| 17:26.37 | peterS | stew: yeah I think he means apache2 -X > /tmp/apache-trace 2>&1 |
| 17:26.41 | stew | yeah |
| 17:26.53 | Bauer | ohhh stew! thats my mistake I suppose :) |
| 17:26.58 | Bauer | one sec lets see |
| 17:27.00 | jelly-home | this is why strace has -o |
| 17:27.06 | s3a | jelly-home, ksheurs wols, ok thanks guys, i will leave now (and be back soon-ish) |
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| 17:27.46 | jelly-home | Bauer: line 2 of your paste |
| 17:28.16 | niteye | i would like that when /sbin/poweroff , or /sbin/reboot is invoked that it invokes an extra command "echo blabhlah >> x.log" , what would be the best and cleanest way to achieve that? |
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| 17:29.06 | karlpinc | niteye: Put a K-type link in rcS.d |
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| 17:32.30 | Leoneof | hi, no updates for kernel? my kernel is 2.6.32-5 |
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| 17:33.41 | jelly-home | Leoneof: why do you ask? |
| 17:34.13 | jelly-home | Leoneof: what is the version of linux-image-$(uname -r) package you have installed? |
| 17:34.14 | rypervenche | When I boot my system it says that my /home partition is 10.4% non-contiguous, what does that mean? |
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| 17:34.46 | jelly-home | Leoneof: compare it with what's current for your Debian release: /msg judd kernels |
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| 17:36.44 | Leoneof | jelly-home: i just wanted to see if there are latest version for kernel. |
| 17:36.50 | Leoneof | jelly-home: thanks. |
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| 17:45.24 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: You were right. I found this: crw-rw-r-- 1 root lp 189, 5 Jun 13 09:50 /dev/bus/usb/001/006 so the problem is due to multi-function printer-hood. The next step is to fix it.... |
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| 17:46.24 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: sorry that I couldn't point you in the right direction, the last time I saw that problem was like a year ago |
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| 17:47.15 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: in this, rgrep should prove helpful... look for GROUP="lp" or something like that in the rules dir and you should find the likely culprit soon |
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| 17:49.31 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: There are also bugs #529621 and #581254. It seems to me that the right way to solve this problem, given that the devices don't expose separete identies for their different functions, is to make a mfp (multi-function-printer) group and have _that_ be what's assigned to all such broken printer/scanners. The various daemons could all be in that group and then things would just work. What do you think? |
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| 17:50.20 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: I think it's a good solution, but quite hard to implement in reality |
| 17:50.23 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: I didn't look hard enough in /dev. :( |
| 17:50.46 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: Why? Because of the coordination required between the various packages? |
| 17:50.50 | thewanderer1 | yup |
| 17:51.06 | thewanderer1 | locally, it's trivial, but pushing this to the distro is not very simple |
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| 17:51.36 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: It does make it hard to file a bug report. I suppose I'll file two and reference one in the other. |
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| 17:52.11 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: What package does the lp udev rules? (I suppose I'll grep and find out.) |
| 17:52.15 | else- | anyone tried installing debian to a seagate cf harddrive? |
| 17:52.29 | else- | i get the error "command failed: read dma" and the harddisk doesn't show up |
| 17:52.39 | else- | maybe there is an cmdline option that i should set? |
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| 17:52.58 | wols | else-: what hdd controller? |
| 17:53.10 | wols | and are you sure the disk is good? |
| 17:53.19 | else- | the disk is brand-new, so i suppose it should be fine |
| 17:53.31 | else- | let me check for the hdd controller |
| 17:53.31 | karlpinc | else-: You may also be interested in the following: |
| 17:53.35 | karlpinc | !4kb |
| 17:53.35 | dpkg | Newer (S)ATA drives have 4k sectors, which when not accounted for, can cause performance problems. See http://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/ATA_4_KiB_sector_issues and http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/01/msg02021.html for more information. |
| 17:53.46 | thewanderer1 | ,file /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules |
| 17:53.49 | judd | /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules in squeeze/i386: udev: lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules |
| 17:54.19 | wols | else-: is the disk >2GB? |
| 17:54.24 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: if you have hplip-cups or hplip installed as well, they might be responsible for that too |
| 17:54.30 | else- | wols: "ide interface: silicon integrated systems sis 5513" |
| 17:54.36 | else- | wols: the capacity is 2.5gb |
| 17:54.47 | else- | wols: the type of the hdd is st64022cf |
| 17:54.47 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: Yes. I do. |
| 17:55.12 | rypervenche | ,versions ffmpeg |
| 17:55.12 | judd | Package ffmpeg on i386 -- lenny: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny1; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-multimedia: 3:20070329-0.0etch1; squeeze: 4:0.5.2-6; sid: 4:0.6.2-3; wheezy: 4:0.6.2-3; experimental: 4:0.7~beta2-2; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.6.1+svn20101128-0.2; wheezy-multimedia: 5:0.6.2-0.4; sid-multimedia: 5:0.6.3+git20110613-0.0 |
| 17:55.33 | wols | else-: BIOS seems fine with it? |
| 17:55.41 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: ok, so that's one of those two packages... you should probably add a rule in sth like 92-mfp.rules for your device |
| 17:55.42 | else- | wols: yes, bios recognizes it as primary master |
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| 17:56.28 | wols | ah, that's a CF card. you said harddisk |
| 17:56.44 | else- | wols: well it is a harddrive with cf interface :) |
| 17:57.04 | else- | similar to ibm's former microdrives |
| 17:57.08 | twobitsprite | hmm... autocutsel only seems to work one way... i.e, when I cut something, it ends up in the selection buffer, but not the other way around |
| 17:57.10 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: I'm probably going to give up and add saned to the lp group. And put my energy into submitting bug reports. |
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| 17:57.28 | twobitsprite | anyone else experiencing this or know how to make it work? |
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| 18:02.22 | else- | wols: any idea? |
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| 18:03.55 | aeroplanino | hello there :-) |
| 18:04.18 | aeroplanino | I have problem with screen running inside of mrxvt; many apps don't display correctly |
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| 18:04.33 | aeroplanino | there are artifacts in alsamixer, mocp, ncmpcpp to name a few |
| 18:04.53 | wols | else-: not really. many people run linux via CF cards (or in this case hdds). what is the exact error? and does seagate make seatools for that thing? |
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| 18:05.20 | else- | wols: well it loads the installer |
| 18:05.29 | else- | wols: and until the interface appears (after grub) |
| 18:05.36 | else- | wols: it shows some debug messages. |
| 18:05.57 | else- | wols: .. booting |
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| 18:06.31 | else- | wols: "exception emask 0x0 ... failed command: read DMA, status: { DRDY }, revalidation failed (errno=-5), i/o error, ..." |
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| 18:07.00 | else- | wols: also, i had a look at the bios, it recognizes the disk fine (capacity etc is looking good) |
| 18:08.09 | wols | else-: is debian already installed on the disk? |
| 18:08.28 | else- | wols: the disk is factory-new |
| 18:08.33 | else- | wols: nothing is installed at all |
| 18:09.23 | wols | then I'd try to test it with any tools seagate provides. if you have a windows CD, it'd be good to try that one too |
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| 18:09.34 | wols | to see if it's a linux kernel problem |
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| 18:10.38 | else- | wols: okay. thanks! |
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| 18:48.46 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: Bug#s 630401, 630402, and 630403. |
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| 18:49.40 | aeroplanino | hello |
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| 18:49.54 | karlpinc | else-: I've run linux on CF cards. (Only the sandisk ones seem to support the ata standard fully, except for 2 expensive ones.) But a ssd should work.... |
| 18:50.09 | aeroplanino | Now i have problem with yeahconsole |
| 18:50.10 | aeroplanino | and urxvt |
| 18:50.28 | aeroplanino | .Xresources: yeahconsole*term: urxvt -e screen -R |
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| 18:50.41 | aeroplanino | it stops working if I add the "-e" option |
| 18:50.42 | aeroplanino | :-( |
| 18:51.36 | karlpinc | else-: Boot from a live cd and run badblocks/see if you can partition it/etc. |
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| 18:55.11 | karlpinc | Crud. I tried to send the same email to 3 bugs at bugs.debian.org at once and it does not seem to have updated anything and I get no response. (It's not been all that long, but long enough I think.) Is this illegal? Should I send 3 separate emails? |
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| 18:56.43 | cyrus_mc | Trying to use a DNAT rule to access a DB behind my gateway. Here is my NAT table http://pastebin.com/yjRJYkh7 |
| 18:56.58 | cyrus_mc | however when I try to connect from the outside through the gateway on port 1460 nothing happens, says it can't connect |
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| 18:57.39 | Strogg | cyrus_mc: is the port opened in your filter table? |
| 18:57.53 | Strogg | needs to be in the FORWARD chain iirc |
| 18:58.08 | cyrus_mc | Strogg: i cleaned out the input table, default is to accept |
| 18:58.18 | Strogg | cyrus_mc: what about forward? |
| 18:58.36 | Strogg | can't remember if it's input or forward. |
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| 18:59.16 | cyrus_mc | Strogg: well, most docs I foudn don't list that I need a forward, but one did. I tried that as well and still didnt' want to work |
| 18:59.19 | karlpinc | Ok then, the email finally went through. |
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| 18:59.30 | Strogg | hrm ok |
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| 18:59.57 | cyrus_mc | Strogg: plus, my forward table is empty and the default is to accept |
| 19:00.04 | cyrus_mc | i also enabled ip_forward on the machine |
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| 19:00.19 | karlpinc | cyrus_mc: You do have fowarding on in the sysctl (the box works as a router), right? (Always good to start from the beginning.) |
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| 19:00.35 | cyrus_mc | karlpinc: i have ip_forward = 1 |
| 19:00.39 | Strogg | no firewall on the box you are forwarding to? |
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| 19:01.06 | cyrus_mc | Strogg: there is but the gateway machine can get to that endpoint (tested via a telnet) |
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| 19:01.12 | karlpinc | cyrus_mc: (FWIW iptables makes me cranky. I prefer something like ferm or shorewall.) |
| 19:01.25 | Strogg | hrmm |
| 19:01.28 | cyrus_mc | Strogg: what about when the endpoint returns |
| 19:01.33 | babilen | karlpinc: How long has it been? Are you checking the in the bts? It can take some time ... |
| 19:01.38 | cyrus_mc | i mean...DNAT re-writes the desination |
| 19:01.52 | cyrus_mc | but the endpoint, when it tries to send data back |
| 19:01.57 | karlpinc | babilen: It was about 10 or 15 minutes. It took another 5 for it to finally hit. |
| 19:01.59 | cyrus_mc | does it still use the originally source IP? |
| 19:02.03 | Strogg | cyrus_mc: ah. wel.. true. you _are_ missing your SNAT rule. :) |
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| 19:02.10 | babilen | karlpinc: yeah, 20 minutes is absolutely OK :) |
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| 19:02.14 | Strogg | is sleepy.. not enough coffee |
| 19:02.15 | cyrus_mc | so I may need to do both, a DNAT and SNAT? |
| 19:02.24 | Strogg | cyrus_mc: you definately need to do both |
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| 19:02.32 | cyrus_mc | Strogg: ok..let me look into that and let you know |
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| 19:04.09 | simonlnu | wonders why people spell definite with an a |
| 19:04.55 | JohnWittle | define definite definitely |
| 19:05.34 | simonlnu | a? |
| 19:05.44 | Strogg | simonlnu: unknown. it's odd, because I know how to spell it but my hands don't care and use an 'a'. |
| 19:06.05 | Strogg | simonlnu: I have that same issue with "watchs" vs "watches". my brain says e, my hands say no e. |
| 19:06.46 | simonlnu | a "habbit" is not a rabbit, but a habit |
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| 19:07.42 | iateadonut | i just did a security update. it asked me if i want to change the current udev even though it's incompatible with my kernel. i said no. if i had tried to automate security updates through cron, would that have broke my system? |
| 19:08.34 | wols | yes. after a reboot your system hadn't come up again |
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| 19:09.08 | babilen | iateadonut: Care to share your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy udev" with us? |
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| 19:11.33 | wols | not to mention your ^linux packages |
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| 19:12.50 | iateadonut | http://pastebin.com/17BeSTDZ |
| 19:13.35 | thewanderer1 | when I start pppd, should the link be shown as UP instead of DOWN? also, should routing entries be added automatically? right now, starting pppd leaves ppp0 in DOWN state, without any address, and with no routing table entry whatsoever. is this normal? |
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| 19:14.19 | babilen | oh dear ... |
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| 19:16.02 | avernos | i have a fresh debian installed and my administration (gnome) menu is empty, im guessing because not enough perms. how can i make my user have more perms? |
| 19:16.22 | avernos | i used to do it by GUI in the users menu, but i cant open it |
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| 19:16.41 | avernos | anyone knows the name of that application? i could load it with sude |
| 19:16.48 | avernos | sudo* |
| 19:17.05 | ompaul | iateadonut: did you dist-upgrade between versions yet |
| 19:17.19 | iateadonut | yes, but i had to leave udev. |
| 19:17.28 | ompaul | walks away |
| 19:17.55 | ompaul | can't fathom why |
| 19:17.58 | iateadonut | it's a vps. i don't have control of the kernel, i thought. |
| 19:18.16 | ompaul | uses the desk to try and stop the pain ] |
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| 19:18.48 | ompaul | NOOO ^10000 don't do that kind of thing thanks |
| 19:19.20 | cyrus_mc | Strogg: http://pastebin.com/BT1vhfpH that is my setup, still not working |
| 19:19.28 | cyrus_mc | for the life of me I can't figure it out |
| 19:19.49 | ompaul | iateadonut: I have an idea why don't you go and get your box setup again from scratch and ask the vps provider how to upgrade from one to another |
| 19:20.36 | wols | ompaul: did he report any problems with his box? |
| 19:20.41 | thewanderer1 | how do I find out what my COM1 port is named? |
| 19:20.46 | Strogg | cyrus_mc: err.. the --dport looks highly questionable. I think it should be a source port. |
| 19:21.02 | ompaul | you then don't have squeeze or lenny ask your vps provider for help as I feel you will need to grab your data and get the box set up again so I'll say it again ask the vps provider |
| 19:21.03 | wols | thewanderer1: dmesg shows it somewhere I guess. should be ttyS0 |
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| 19:21.56 | thewanderer1 | wols: yeah, 3 ports... not bad I suppose (although I can only see one, the two must be headers inside the box :P ) |
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| 19:23.15 | cyrus_mc | Strogg: where are you seeing --dport .. what line in the pastbin I posted |
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| 19:24.24 | Strogg | cyrus_mc: in line 7.. the dpt:1460. the packets will be coming from spt:1460, no? |
| 19:24.30 | Strogg | and dpt: somerandom port. |
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| 19:24.55 | Strogg | I haven't done 1-1 NAT before, so I admit I could easily be wrong here. |
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| 19:25.02 | Strogg | lets someone else chime in |
| 19:25.54 | cyrus_mc | Strogg: hmmm..taht could be....the DNAT should re-write the DESTINATION based on going to port 1460 on the gateway |
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| 19:26.35 | cyrus_mc | Strogg: the reverse, the backend system will need to have its source re-written but it will be communicating with the endpoint on some random port |
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| 19:29.18 | Gnudoll | Grand Master Turing once dreamed that he was a machine. When he awoke |
| 19:29.18 | Gnudoll | he exclaimed: |
| 19:29.18 | Gnudoll | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.18 | Gnudoll | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.18 | Gnudoll | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.18 | Gnudoll | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:31.00 | miltan | what package should i install in order to get the command update-grub? |
| 19:33.29 | Bushmills | miltan: grub |
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| 19:33.59 | miltan | Bushmills, grub does not have the command update-grub. |
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| 19:34.22 | Bushmills | it depends on grub*-common which supplies the program |
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| 19:34.46 | Bushmills | but grub*common alone is not very useful, therefore it's grub |
| 19:34.55 | miltan | i installed grub, but when i do update-grub: command not found. |
| 19:35.07 | Bushmills | trying to run it as user? |
| 19:35.40 | miltan | Bushmills, thx! :-> |
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| 19:39.39 | cyrus_mc | so anyone know how I would write the SNAT rule? |
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| 19:41.46 | Bushmills | you type it in interactively, or into an editor |
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| 19:43.26 | pickcoder | cyrus_mc: are you trying to masq a specific outgoing port to be a specific IP? |
| 19:44.40 | pickcoder | or easier stated, change the outgoing route to a specific IP instead of the default route |
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| 19:55.03 | cyrus_mc | pickcoder: I think I may have it...but what I had is a DB server behind my router that runs on port 1460 |
| 19:55.18 | cyrus_mc | pickcoder: so, all requests coming to my router for 1460 should be routed through to that server |
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| 19:56.03 | pickcoder | that's a dnat |
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| 19:56.45 | cyrus_mc | pickcoder: yes..but apparently I need snat as well as the db server behind the router can't communicate out to the external machine |
| 19:56.57 | cyrus_mc | pickcoder: so I would need a DNAT and SNAT rule, yes, no? |
| 19:57.11 | pickcoder | or change the default route for the db machine |
| 19:57.19 | cyrus_mc | pickcoder: ya..can't do that |
| 19:57.41 | pickcoder | then yeah, you need both |
| 19:57.49 | cyrus_mc | k |
| 19:58.34 | pickcoder | I normally use an iproute2 table and mark packets, then assign a specific gateway to that table |
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| 19:58.49 | pickcoder | for snat |
| 19:59.24 | cyrus_mc | pickcoder: hmm...do you have a doc on that type of setup? |
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| 19:59.37 | pickcoder | let me find my notes |
| 19:59.40 | cyrus_mc | ty |
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| 20:00.08 | pickcoder | hrm.. I know there is one system here with several routes |
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| 20:02.30 | pickcoder | ip rule add from x.x.x.x table route2 |
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| 20:03.13 | pickcoder | ip route add default via y.y.y.y dev ethX table route2 |
| 20:03.26 | rypervenche | When I boot my system it says that my /home partition is 10.4% non-contiguous, what does that mean? |
| 20:03.59 | pickcoder | I think you need to hack the rt_tables first, though |
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| 20:05.25 | cusco | hi |
| 20:06.06 | cusco | say.. I have a usb device (a datacard) that I'm failing to connect.. I don't have physical access to the machine right now... what can I use to siable it and re-enable it again? |
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| 20:07.08 | cusco | is there some udev parameter? |
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| 20:08.22 | pickcoder | cyrus_mc: yeah.. you need to add "200 route2" to /etc/iproute2/rt_tables |
| 20:08.32 | pickcoder | 201 for the next custom table |
| 20:08.35 | pickcoder | etc.. |
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| 20:09.23 | tesla_ | Hello, I'm looking for some assistance investigating a possible compromised box |
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| 20:09.37 | nkuttler | tesla_: start by reading the logs |
| 20:09.43 | wols | cusco: define "failing to connect". what does the kernel log say when it's plugged in? |
| 20:10.16 | tesla_ | I have, I need more help than that, I am an experienced user and looking for a more experienced user than I. |
| 20:11.33 | tesla_ | Specifically if anyone is familiar with TFN (tribe flood network) and its behavior relating to being on a compromised system... |
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| 20:11.34 | pickcoder | cyrus_mc: 'table2' is an arbitrary name for that routine table |
| 20:11.37 | pickcoder | ~routing |
| 20:11.37 | apt | methinks routing is the Advanced Routing Howto or the Network Administrators Guide at linuxdoc.org, or Please check out http://www.pmfp.net/router-firewall.sh if you want to get started fast and easily, or (at least in theory) |
| 20:12.17 | pickcoder | geez.. I'm off today |
| 20:12.25 | pickcoder | "table2" should be "route2" |
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| 20:15.20 | Lenin_Cat | When I do a netinstall of debian I get the following error during installing base system |
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| 20:27.30 | wols | ,file setserial |
| 20:27.33 | judd | setserial in squeeze/i386: setserial: bin/setserial, etc/init.d/etc-setserial, etc/init.d/setserial, etc/modutils/setserial; hal: usr/lib/hal/hal-system-setserial |
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| 20:27.51 | MarKsaitis | Is there a chance that wheezy will be stable in the coming week? |
| 20:27.59 | MarKsaitis | I cant find any schedule info |
| 20:28.20 | thewanderer1 | so do I initialize the port? how? |
| 20:28.30 | wols | MarKsaitis: no chance whatsoever. wheezy will be stable in 12+ months |
| 20:28.37 | jelly-home | MarKsaitis: expect 1-3 years between releases |
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| 20:28.44 | MarKsaitis | wols, thanx for confirm. |
| 20:28.56 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell MarKsaitis about release history |
| 20:29.02 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell MarKsaitis about wwwr |
| 20:29.09 | rypervenche | MarKsaitis: That's why I run Testing as my main OS :P |
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| 20:29.40 | wols | thewanderer1: judd's output shows how |
| 20:30.18 | MarKsaitis | rypervenche, =) well, I am planning to put Debian on a server which is on another side of the world and which I only visit maximum 2 times a year and my next visit is after 1 month |
| 20:30.41 | MarKsaitis | because centos has crashed it all recently and its sitting there stuck |
| 20:30.56 | jelly-home | MarKsaitis: use stable. |
| 20:30.57 | Furai` | Narwhals! |
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| 20:30.59 | rypervenche | MarKsaitis: Then you'll probably want Stable, and if you need something more up-to-date, apt-pin it from wheezy |
| 20:31.25 | MarKsaitis | whats the dif betwen amd64 and ia64bit? I have intel dual core cpu on that machine |
| 20:31.27 | jelly-home | rypervenche: that is Not a Good Idea |
| 20:31.30 | thewanderer1 | wols: yeah but there is no option in that tool for initializing... some "wild interrupt initialization" has no effect after Linux 2.1, as the help message claims |
| 20:31.35 | MarKsaitis | rypervenche, ok ;] |
| 20:31.36 | jelly-home | MarKsaitis: /msg dpkg ia64 |
| 20:31.47 | MarKsaitis | jelly-home, ok thanx |
| 20:31.47 | rypervenche | jelly-home: For single packages it's not bad, like youtube-dl and things. |
| 20:32.07 | jelly-home | rypervenche: it's never bad until the crying starts |
| 20:32.18 | MarKsaitis | ok, so just to confirm its for itaniums only which I dont have. |
| 20:32.28 | jelly-home | MarKsaitis: the bot doesn't lie |
| 20:32.33 | MarKsaitis | ok :) |
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| 20:32.36 | jelly-home | except sometimes |
| 20:32.40 | MarKsaitis | =))) |
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| 20:37.57 | pickcoder | thewanderer1: what does dmesg say the ttyS ports are |
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| 20:38.15 | pickcoder | and do they all share the same IRQ |
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| 20:39.30 | skamikaze | bs0d: problem solved? |
| 20:39.36 | pickcoder | better yet.. why not pastebin the output of "dmesg | grep ttyS" |
| 20:40.33 | skamikaze | bs0d: mount -o loop file /mount/point should do it |
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| 20:41.01 | wols | thewanderer1: setserial sets things like baudrate, parity bits, etc |
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| 20:42.09 | thewanderer1 | pickcoder: http://paste.debian.net/119728/ |
| 20:43.03 | pickcoder | hrm.. wonder where com4 is.. :) |
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| 20:43.16 | pickcoder | ok at least they are real UARTs |
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| 20:43.59 | thewanderer1 | COM4 is currently my Serial-over-LAN on the server I think |
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| 20:45.13 | pickcoder | you need a serial debug box to check for DSR/DTR and TX/RX |
| 20:45.25 | pickcoder | that null modem may not be right.. did you check the wiring? |
| 20:45.35 | thewanderer1 | not really, I bought it |
| 20:46.13 | pickcoder | make sure that the serial cable you're using is a straight-through and not a modem cable |
| 20:46.17 | pickcoder | they will screw up a null modem setup |
| 20:46.31 | thewanderer1 | how would I check that? |
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| 20:46.35 | pickcoder | cable checker |
| 20:46.45 | pickcoder | or a DMM set to cont-test |
| 20:46.46 | pickcoder | :) |
| 20:46.48 | wols | thewanderer1: multimeter |
| 20:46.58 | thewanderer1 | the box says "Exchange data between 2 PCs" |
| 20:47.10 | pickcoder | oh it's a serial transfer kit |
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| 20:47.20 | jelly-home | "Exchange data between 2 PCs, 20 years ago!" |
| 20:47.23 | wols | pickcoder: erm, a modem cable is straight through and a nullmodem one is a "crossover" |
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| 20:47.38 | pickcoder | not if it's 25-9pin IIRC |
| 20:47.44 | wols | also a modem cable doesn't fit: wrong gender of the plug at one side |
| 20:47.48 | pickcoder | 9-9 is probably straight |
| 20:47.59 | wols | pickcoder: it ALWAYS is crossed. TX to RX and vice versa |
| 20:48.02 | jelly-home | 25<->9 can be either straight or cross |
| 20:48.13 | thewanderer1 | I've got 9-9 here, labelled as null-modem, with some 25-9 adaptors which I'm not using at the moment |
| 20:48.28 | wols | jelly-home: a nullmodem needs to be cross. the one's PC input is the others output.RX and TX |
| 20:48.54 | jelly-home | wols: I'm using it as a synonym |
| 20:48.55 | wols | same for the flow control |
| 20:49.37 | pickcoder | thewanderer1: got a modem or some other serial device to test with? |
| 20:49.42 | thewanderer1 | nope |
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| 20:49.46 | cyrus_mc | pickcoder: unfortunately I can't do the iproute2 as I am on an older debian system and that package isn't installed (and I can't install it) |
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| 20:49.52 | cyrus_mc | pickcoder: http://pastebin.com/pZV4QfFt that is the output of my nat table |
| 20:50.03 | cyrus_mc | pickcoder: looking at that, shouldn't it work? |
| 20:50.30 | wols | pickcoder: a nullmodem cable like his has 2 female plugs. he won't fit it into a modem... |
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| 20:50.43 | thewanderer1 | true that |
| 20:50.53 | wols | thewanderer1: use minicom on both ends for testing |
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| 20:51.00 | pickcoder | well theres not much else to go on. It could be either end |
| 20:51.07 | thewanderer1 | wols: and with minicom I would do what exactly? |
| 20:51.18 | wols | send yourself silly messages? |
| 20:51.20 | pickcoder | you can't test it unless you have a loop-back adapter |
| 20:51.24 | pickcoder | it's a serial port |
| 20:51.38 | thewanderer1 | yeah but how do I initialize the connection? what protocol will it even use? |
| 20:51.40 | wols | you set it to the same settings on each end. type something and it has to come out at the other end |
| 20:51.48 | thewanderer1 | hmm, ok, let's see |
| 20:51.58 | pickcoder | thewanderer1: you could hook up ttyS0 and ttyS1 together |
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| 20:52.10 | wols | there is no "protocol". send a letter, receive a letter. at most the protocol is 9600 8N1 |
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| 20:52.29 | linux_probe | null modem serial, oh boy |
| 20:52.39 | thewanderer1 | should I be seeing something like Online instead of Offline? O.o |
| 20:53.06 | pickcoder | you need to disable getty if you're going to hack the wire |
| 20:53.11 | thewanderer1 | cause now it's like, I press a letter and the screen doesn't change anywhere :P |
| 20:53.12 | lusotux | can i get some pointers about installing netbeans in squeeze ? |
| 20:53.22 | thewanderer1 | getty on the serial is disabled |
| 20:53.29 | pickcoder | you can use cat to dump stuff to /dev/ttyS0 |
| 20:53.34 | thewanderer1 | hmmm |
| 20:54.37 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: You may want to read up on using serial consoles. There are two ways text is displayed on a serial console; local echo, where the characters are generated on your end, and remote echo, where the character is sent back from the other device. |
| 20:54.45 | pickcoder | I may have a wyse terminal in the attic here if you're feeling nostalgic |
| 20:54.54 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: minicom lets you select either mode. |
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| 20:55.27 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: yeah, although right now nothing seems to be getting through |
| 20:55.34 | _stefanos_ | Good evening everyone. Guys, I ran the latest updates on my system (6.0.x wheezy) and upon restart it would return to grub. I ran from DVD in rescue mode and still is the same. Can anyone help a bit? |
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| 20:55.50 | thewanderer1 | I've catted my /etc/passwd >/dev/ttyS0, and the remote end sees nothing |
| 20:56.10 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: You also need to set word/data length, stop bit, and checksum. |
| 20:56.10 | thewanderer1 | if I cat /dev/ttyS0 at the other side, should I be seeing the contents? |
| 20:56.38 | thewanderer1 | ok, I'll try disabling the hardware flow control on both sides... |
| 20:57.15 | jhutchins_lt | I think you're dealing with echo, not flow control. |
| 20:57.15 | pickcoder | thewanderer1: grab ttylog |
| 20:58.07 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: with local echo it's the same - no response, Offline stays the same |
| 20:58.18 | pickcoder | use minicom on the other end |
| 20:58.43 | thewanderer1 | I did at both ends... will try ttylog now |
| 20:59.29 | jhutchins_lt | Offline is DTR/DSR. |
| 21:00.05 | thewanderer1 | oh well, I try to type something in minicom, yet ttylog yields no output |
| 21:00.10 | jelly-home | sends BREAK |
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| 21:03.47 | wols | thewanderer1: when you ran minicom, have you setup the interface on each end? |
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| 21:04.34 | wols | _stefanos_: when you restart, it's supposed to return to grub |
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| 21:05.03 | wols | lusotux: install java (the one from oracle/sun) and then install netbeans? |
| 21:05.28 | lusotux | no package ... sorted it out already :) |
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| 21:10.37 | pickcoder | thewanderer1: are you trying to just move files? |
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| 21:15.15 | Raccoon1400 | what font package includes times new roman? |
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| 21:19.32 | ompaul | Raccoon1400: have a look at texlive-fonts-recommended |
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| 21:22.03 | Minkben | my debian box mysteriously shut down today, and I have no idea why. Nothing is broken, it was just off suddenly. How do I find out why? |
| 21:22.14 | Minkben | squeeze, upgraded from lenny yesterday, headless |
| 21:22.24 | Leoneof | what's the command to free memory? |
| 21:22.37 | jelly-home | Minkben: power failure? |
| 21:23.12 | Minkben | jelly-home: probably, but I want to check logs anyway |
| 21:23.17 | Minkben | I have no idea which log file to look in |
| 21:23.19 | nkuttler | !tell Leoneof about free memory |
| 21:23.29 | jelly-home | Minkben: check "last" command output and /var/log/kern.log for a start |
| 21:23.29 | pickcoder | free memory is wasted memory |
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| 21:24.16 | Leoneof | ah, thanks |
| 21:24.19 | Raccoon1400 | I have texlive-fonts-recommended installed, but none of the fonts are showing up |
| 21:24.51 | ansgar | Raccoon1400: Show up where? |
| 21:25.25 | liquid-silence | anyone care to help me with a mail server setup on lenny? |
| 21:25.30 | Raccoon1400 | ansgar: anywhere |
| 21:25.31 | liquid-silence | I am out of my depth |
| 21:25.35 | liquid-silence | 3 re-installs |
| 21:26.01 | Minkben | last kernel log is from current boot |
| 21:26.02 | lusotux | wht did you have to reinstall 3 times ? |
| 21:26.21 | Minkben | what's the package commonly used to format and color log output? |
| 21:26.38 | Minkben | so I can do: tail log.log | niceFormat |
| 21:26.43 | ansgar | Raccoon1400: *sigh* Not very helpful. Where do you expect them to show up? |
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| 21:27.24 | Raccoon1400 | ansgar: in the font menu in any program |
| 21:28.14 | pickcoder | liquid-silence: start off with a basic setup with Postfix |
| 21:28.24 | ansgar | Raccoon1400: They are intended for use with (La)TeX. I don't think many other programs use them. |
| 21:28.24 | pickcoder | then try to add SASL based on PAM |
| 21:28.41 | pickcoder | if that works, complicate it by adding the auxprop SQL plug-in |
| 21:29.03 | Raccoon1400 | ansgar: so how do I get times new roman for use in openoffice |
| 21:29.04 | pickcoder | you're tackling way too much stuff with no experience |
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| 21:31.46 | Minkben | now wtf... |
| 21:31.51 | Minkben | I uninstalled apache |
| 21:31.54 | Minkben | but it is running |
| 21:31.59 | Minkben | and it autostarted |
| 21:32.15 | wols | !enter |
| 21:32.15 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 21:32.47 | wols | Minkben: dpkg -l |grep ^apache and you will see, many packages still installed |
| 21:33.05 | ansgar | Raccoon1400: I don't use openoffice (well, rare enough). But there should be similar fonts available (FreeSerif?). |
| 21:33.12 | Minkben | thanks |
| 21:33.24 | Minkben | nope, no packages |
| 21:33.36 | Raccoon1400 | ansgar: what package is it in? |
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| 21:33.52 | jelly-home | Raccoon1400: /msg dpkg msttcorefonts |
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| 21:34.06 | wols | Minkben: how exactly did you remove apache? what command? |
| 21:34.17 | jelly-home | Raccoon1400: also, /msg dpkg liberation |
| 21:34.30 | Minkben | wols, sudo apt-get remove apache2 |
| 21:34.43 | Minkben | wols, but I see now that some libapache packages are still installed |
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| 21:34.49 | jelly-home | ,versions apache2 |
| 21:34.49 | judd | Package apache2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny9; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny9; squeeze: 2.2.16-6; lenny-backports: 2.2.16-6+squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze1; sid: 2.2.19-1; wheezy: 2.2.19-1 |
| 21:35.17 | wols | Minkben: there is a lot more still there. what is the output of dpkg -l |grep ^apache |
| 21:35.27 | ansgar | Raccoon1400: ttf-linux-libertine claims to have fonts that can be used as an alternative to Time New Roman ("Linux Libertine"). |
| 21:36.00 | jelly-home | Minkben: getting rid of apache2.2-common should disable any apache build |
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| 21:36.06 | windoze | Hello |
| 21:36.13 | wols | Minkben: my bad. use dpkg -l |grep apache |
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| 21:36.31 | telmich | good evening |
| 21:36.44 | Minkben | thank you wols and jelly-home, fixed now |
| 21:36.56 | Raccoon1400 | ansgar: got it installed from the msttcorefonts pkg, thanks |
| 21:37.37 | telmich | can I tell debian somehow to try to dhcp boot all available networking cards, independent of whether it's eth0, eth1, wlan1, etc? |
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| 21:38.16 | jelly-home | telmich: all of them, or _any_ of them but just one? |
| 21:38.42 | jelly-home | telmich: how do you plan to deal with multiple default routes? |
| 21:38.49 | telmich | jelly-home: good point. I'd be happy with either solution for now |
| 21:39.31 | jelly-home | typically workstation users go with network-manager or something similar to manage their connectivity |
| 21:39.37 | windoze | is there any way to find out the Linux hard drive names from Windows, or guess them? I have a Windows 7 host system and have to pass a parameter in grub2 that refers to one of the Windows partitions, and I have no idea if it's going to be sda or hda and 1 2 3 partition or whatever. |
| 21:39.39 | telmich | jelly-home: background: I'm building a linux installation image (to actually install various distributions) using debian in an initramfs |
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| 21:39.54 | telmich | thus I've no clue which nic to use, but most likely only one is connected |
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| 21:40.37 | jelly-home | telmich: read interfaces(5) about how to set up dhcp on an interface, then try setting it up on one iface at a time |
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| 21:40.58 | jelly-home | telmich: perhaps scripts from a livecd like grml might help |
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| 21:41.06 | telmich | jelly-home: good idea |
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| 21:43.02 | tharkun | If i wanted to manually downlad a file that is located on: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free how can i manually download it? |
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| 21:44.59 | pickcoder | tharkun: aptitude download <package?> |
| 21:45.00 | jelly-home | tharkun: are you asking what the correct URL would be, or how to find it, or what? |
| 21:45.05 | pickcoder | ~<package> |
| 21:45.26 | Sose | what's the suggested way to update the time on my debian server? ntp something? |
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| 21:45.57 | wols | Sose: ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
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| 21:46.49 | pickcoder | ntpdate should only be used for initial time/date setting.. ntpd should be run to keep time |
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| 21:47.14 | wols | tharkun: go to packages.debian.org, search for your package. download. |
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| 21:47.47 | Sose | okay, thanks |
| 21:48.50 | pickcoder | you don't typically need to use ntpdate, though, unless your RTC is really screwed up and the installer didn't fix the time |
| 21:48.52 | tharkun | what would be the full URL to dowload it. e.g. http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/ ?? |
| 21:48.58 | tharkun | wols: if i could i would |
| 21:49.46 | tharkun | pickcoder: The risk of fubaring the system is not acceptable at this momment |
| 21:50.06 | pickcoder | tharkun: how would a download request screw it up? |
| 21:50.11 | wols | !wayttd tharkun |
| 21:50.11 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, tharkun? |
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| 21:50.26 | pickcoder | or apt-get download <package>/ |
| 21:50.40 | pickcoder | er |
| 21:50.48 | Sose | pickcoder: my time was like 5minutes off, maybe 2 months after installation |
| 21:50.54 | lapsusbrutus | update-alternatives --config editor Is there any way to script vim as default editor?? |
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| 21:51.03 | tharkun | pickcoder: the package is from sid, and this is running stable |
| 21:51.10 | pickcoder | or apt-get -d install |
| 21:51.21 | pickcoder | oh |
| 21:51.23 | tharkun | wols: trying to update ONE package forcing its installation |
| 21:51.32 | wols | tharkun: which one? |
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| 21:51.56 | wols | and it doesn't matter if you apt-get download&&dpkg -i or apt-get install it. same thing |
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| 21:53.02 | tharkun | wols: nginx, but updating sources.list for one single package is not recomended on this system |
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| 21:53.29 | wols | tharkun: if you do that (and you have to really really force it) it will utterly break your system |
| 21:54.29 | wols | for starters, nginx is several packages, not a single one. why can't you do a ssb? |
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| 21:55.13 | tharkun | wols: I know the risks involved. If i do ssb some other packages which are also from sid will pull their dependencies and then i will be with an utterly useless system |
| 21:55.40 | jelly-home | tharkun: that's exactly what you're going to do by pulling binary packages |
| 21:55.47 | tharkun | did not do this mess. I am only fixing stuff and looking for a stable in between |
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| 21:56.10 | jelly-home | a backport, on the other hand, can be build to use deps that your release has available |
| 21:56.55 | wols | you're wrong. if you ssb, then you don't pull dependencies. however, nginx depends on libraries not in squeeze and will either these dependencies from sid or it won't install. so if you force it, it will mess your system |
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| 21:57.09 | tharkun | jelly-home: Fresh install would be my weapon of choice. I checked nginx dependencies and it will hold with what is available on this system. Let me worry about reinstalling and making this server bomb proof next week. Please |
| 21:57.14 | jelly-home | having to force anything isn't the best idea on Debian, and is usually pointing to doing something wrong |
| 21:57.56 | wols | tharkun: if you don't need to get any dependencies then there is no reason why you can't apt-get install it. QED |
| 21:58.13 | jelly-home | tharkun: so browse the pool/ directory, find your package and install it manually |
| 21:58.17 | wols | tharkun: ssb is a lot safer too since you never have a sid deb line in sources.list. ever |
| 21:58.39 | arnestig | ssb? |
| 21:58.43 | jelly-home | !ssb |
| 21:58.43 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 21:58.59 | karlpinc | arnestig: self sid backport |
| 21:59.02 | dlong | I've got an issue where some (NOT ALL) of my HTTP traffic is getting redirected to iwsearch.net. I have used apt-get update where some (NOT ALL) lists get redirected and some web browsing inside is redirected to iwsearch.net. Thinking that it was a problem with DNS, I changed my resolv.conf file and nothing changed. I don't have nscd installed. Any ideas what might be going on? |
| 21:59.08 | jelly-home | arnestig: a terse procedure on how to create a backported package |
| 21:59.19 | jelly-home | karlpinc: "simple" sid backport |
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| 21:59.40 | tharkun | "save the day" sid backport |
| 21:59.44 | karlpinc | jelly-home: Oh well, I'm simple. |
| 22:00.23 | jelly-home | dlong: can you give an example URL that fails to load and is redirected? |
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| 22:01.03 | jelly-home | dlong: which Debian release are you using? |
| 22:01.39 | wols | dlong: if you apt-get update, are always the same entries redirected or different ones each time? same for webbrowsing: always the same urls or different ones? |
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| 22:01.54 | dlong | jelly-home: http://security.debian.org |
| 22:02.08 | dlong | wols: yes, always the same ones |
| 22:02.13 | dlong | jelly-home: 6.0.1 |
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| 22:02.38 | wols | dlong: dig security.debian.org |
| 22:02.40 | jelly-home | dlong: what ip addresses does security.debian.org resolve to for you? |
| 22:03.29 | dlong | 128.31.0.36, 128.101.240.212, 149.20.20.6 |
| 22:03.49 | dlong | yeah, I have dig'ged numerous sites and that seems fine |
| 22:03.51 | liquid-silence | this stupid postfix keeps complaining about cannot send password securely |
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| 22:04.30 | jelly-home | dlong: and what about "getent hosts security.debian.org" |
| 22:04.48 | liquid-silence | pickcoder I have now geving up |
| 22:05.44 | dlong | jelly-home: 2001:4f8:8:36::6 security.debian.org |
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| 22:06.14 | liquid-silence | given up even |
| 22:06.18 | liquid-silence | I hate mail servers |
| 22:06.22 | jelly-home | silly getent |
| 22:06.23 | liquid-silence | and I hate postfix |
| 22:06.48 | tharkun | jelly-home: thanks server up and running. Still no crash as expected but i am starting to do the ssb dance. |
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| 22:07.09 | jelly-home | liquid-silence: hire a consultant |
| 22:07.34 | tharkun | Gentlemen how can i do the ssb dance from one architecture to an other specially from amd64 to i386? |
| 22:07.47 | pickcoder | liquid-silence: I don't use cyrus.. I can't help you |
| 22:07.51 | pickcoder | I use dovecot SASL |
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| 22:08.01 | liquid-silence | pickcoder may I pm please |
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| 22:08.32 | jelly-home | tharkun: create an environment with the correct release and arch? debootstrap if your kernel allows it |
| 22:08.40 | tharkun | liquid-silence: postconf -n and relevant logs and i can give you a hand |
| 22:08.43 | dclarke | thinks Debian is the most awesome Os distro in the world .. and then .. leaves |
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| 22:09.03 | tharkun | jelly-home: any weapon of choice? |
| 22:09.11 | jelly-home | I just said it |
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| 22:09.37 | tharkun | jelly-home: ok, i missed the double meaning of it. :D |
| 22:10.01 | jelly-home | wonders wtf can be the double meaning of "debootstrap" |
| 22:10.05 | liquid-silence | tharkun I tried I failed even at posting logs |
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| 22:10.27 | tharkun | liquid-silence: ok, first thing first do you have root access to your system? |
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| 22:11.05 | tharkun | liquid-silence: second how are you connecting to your mail server? |
| 22:11.14 | liquid-silence | tharkun can we do this in a pm please |
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| 22:11.59 | pickcoder | liquid-silence: pm's make it impossible for volunteers to help multiple people.. just be sure to munge passwords when you post things |
| 22:12.10 | liquid-silence | pickcoder I cant even help myself |
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| 22:12.39 | pickcoder | !pastebin |
| 22:12.39 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 22:13.09 | dlong | jelly-home: silly getent??? |
| 22:13.47 | jelly-home | dlong: returning only the AAAA results |
| 22:13.55 | jelly-home | (ipv6) |
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| 22:14.58 | jelly-home | dlong: well all those IPs seem to point to a *.debian.org machine and I even recognize some |
| 22:15.34 | jelly-home | dlong: so dunno, does this behaviour persist across reboots |
| 22:15.42 | jelly-home | dlong: or from a livecd |
| 22:15.50 | dlong | jelly-home: yes, across reboots unfortunately |
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| 22:16.10 | jelly-home | or a different OS |
| 22:16.34 | dlong | haven't tried diff OS |
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| 22:17.30 | jelly-home | it could be some malware on the local machine; it could be something further down the network |
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| 22:18.18 | jelly-home | if a clean livecd worked it would confirm a local infection |
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| 22:19.05 | jelly-home | and if there really is such malware for Linux, it would be very nice to be able to analyze it |
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| 22:26.47 | ryan-c | linux malware is mainly in the form of rootkits. |
| 22:27.01 | ryan-c | also PHP shells, irc bots (energymech seems popular) |
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| 22:28.01 | abrotman | but PHP runs on many platforms .. not linux specific at all |
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| 22:34.00 | EM03 | how can I search a directory for a file name? |
| 22:34.06 | EM03 | current directory |
| 22:34.15 | EM03 | partial file name |
| 22:34.24 | abrotman | EM03: find or ls+grep |
| 22:34.38 | abrotman | or just ls |
| 22:34.44 | abrotman | turns his brain back on |
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| 22:37.48 | gnarface | EM03: ls -l *filepart* if you don't need recursion |
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| 22:38.16 | EM03 | why don't you need grep there? |
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| 22:38.43 | gnarface | because its overkill. the * characters are simple glob matchers |
| 22:39.07 | gnarface | grep is for when you need some amount of regexp capable matching |
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| 22:41.30 | lapsusbrutus | dpkg-reconfigure locales Anyone knows if this is scriptable? Want to make a script where one can choose language easily from menus in whiptail or zenity |
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| 22:43.45 | robblesz | lapsusbrutus: maybe you can adapt these instructions: http://serverfault.com/questions/84521/automate-dpkg-reconfigure-tzdata |
| 22:43.50 | daemonkeeper | lapsusbrutus: You may want to fiddle directly in /etc/locale.gen then |
| 22:43.58 | daemonkeeper | lapsusbrutus: Call locale-gen afterwards |
| 22:44.59 | EM03 | another unix question how can I see what ports I have open? |
| 22:45.11 | tharkun | !fuse |
| 22:45.11 | dpkg | FUSE is a userspace filesystem framework, enabling mounting of various exotic filesystems like <ntfs-3g>, Samba shares, tar files, FTP sites etc. Included in the mainline Linux kernel since 2.6.14. For a FUSE filesystem list, see http://wiki.debian.org/FileSystem#FUSE_Filesystem . http://apps.sf.net/mediawiki/fuse/?title=FAQ http://fuse.sf.net/ ##fuse on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 22:46.25 | tharkun | EM03: ok the local command is netstat. man nestat for further info |
| 22:47.46 | jonesst1 | lsof -i tcp |
| 22:48.14 | abrotman | EM03: netstat |
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| 22:52.10 | lapsusbrutus | robblesz, daemonkeeper Thanks a lot :) |
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| 22:56.27 | Blue1 | does squeeze work well on a netbook, or would you recommend something else? |
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| 22:57.20 | abrotman | i have squeeze on my netbook |
| 22:58.42 | tharkun | How can i make debootstrap use a cacher instead of downloading directly from a website? |
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| 23:02.38 | CyL | Hi, I'm having a really hard time setting up my Broadcom BCM4312 on my laptop running Debian Squeeze 64bit. I am able to list all available networks within range, but no matter what I do, I'm not able to connect to them. I followed Debian guidelines while installing the driver, and downloaded them from the repositories. I already tried NetworkManager and Wicd (now using Wicd since I found it to be more verbose). I'm sure th |
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| 23:05.39 | tharkun | CyL: do you have a workink wifi network? |
| 23:06.31 | CyL | tharkun:As a matter of fact yes... I can connect to a wireless netowrk around from other devices |
| 23:07.28 | tharkun | CyL: iwconfig eth1 essid yourssidhere key yourkey commit |
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| 23:07.39 | tharkun | dhclient -v eth1 and you are done |
| 23:09.03 | CyL | tharkun: Will try that, I must exit this session because I have to wire the AP up (I'm using the wired to get connection on the said laptop), but I will reatach to this same screen session from my phone, just a sec |
| 23:09.34 | tharkun | CyL: you can pull up the other interface without killing this one |
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| 23:12.59 | tharkun | CyL: i am assuming two things one you have the proper kernel module installed and the proper firmware installed also. I have a small problem with the same set up it has to be runned twice for it to take effect. |
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| 23:16.45 | guard_ | Hi.... I want to download Debian in CD iso image(i386).. the problem is, it shows a lot of options from 6.0.1a cd1 to cd 52, i dont know what to download... |
| 23:17.22 | daemonkeeper | You need the first CD only. |
| 23:17.30 | nkuttler | or the netinst one |
| 23:17.37 | daemonkeeper | Or the netinst, yes. |
| 23:18.28 | abrotman | assuming he has broadband at install site |
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| 23:19.09 | daemonkeeper | Not necessarily during installation though |
| 23:20.22 | CyL | tharkun: the AP was setup in bridge mode, so no free donnuts for me, I had to rewire the whole thing. iwconfig escaps with an error message stating "Error for wireless request 'Set Encode' (8B2A): SET failed on device wlan0, Invalid argument." |
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| 23:22.02 | CyL | tharkun: Sorry, I got some guests, be back later... |
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| 23:25.05 | guard_ | Should i download, the first cd labeled as update or just the debian, btw Netinst is out of the option for me... |
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| 23:26.27 | daemonkeeper | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.58 | guard_ | Internet |
| 23:27.19 | daemonkeeper | You don't need Internet access for a netinst installation (despite its name) |
| 23:27.32 | daemonkeeper | The -update image cumulates changes since 6.0.0 |
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| 23:27.58 | guard_ | so should I download Netinst instead? |
| 23:28.15 | abrotman | generally, yes |
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| 23:28.43 | daemonkeeper | Well, depending on your use case the netinst is fine. You most likely need Internet access for a netinst installation at some point, but its definitively not required DURING installation |
| 23:29.03 | daemonkeeper | Be aware you will end up with a minimal system tehn |
| 23:29.04 | daemonkeeper | *then |
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| 23:29.38 | guard_ | yeah |
| 23:31.36 | guard_ | can I use USB drive to boot the image? |
| 23:31.52 | daemonkeeper | Sure |
| 23:31.55 | daemonkeeper | Well, sure* |
| 23:32.01 | daemonkeeper | * if your hardware supports that |
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| 23:34.19 | guard_ | Thanks for the help, im currently downloading it now... |
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