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| 00:04.48 | buhman | wols: I guess I'm not sure how to setup the routing table |
| 00:05.13 | buhman | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/395928/ |
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| 00:08.39 | Gump | #debian, I am having serious problems with flash player. I am using the package flashplugin-nonfree, and it was perfect up until yesterday. i didn't change anything, but suddenly it performs incredibly poorly. when a flash file is loaded in any browser, the browser becomes unresponsive, and the video streams at about 0.2 frames per second. anyone else having similar problems? |
| 00:09.19 | Gump | also at the same time this problem started, my gnome bar started freeing on startup about half the time. could malware be the issue?? |
| 00:09.27 | Gump | *freezing |
| 00:09.56 | buhman | Gump: I can't duplicate your behavior |
| 00:10.20 | Gump | buhman, i understand. i was just wondering if maybe it was some kind of update that made it unstable |
| 00:10.28 | buhman | Gump: other than being a little buggy in rare circumstances, it works perfectly |
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| 00:10.49 | Gump | buhman, what do you suggest? is there another flash plugin i can try? |
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| 00:11.05 | buhman | Gump: debian comes with gnash |
| 00:11.15 | buhman | Gump: gnash only supports flash 9 and below |
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| 00:11.23 | NoWires05 | #flood |
| 00:11.24 | Gump | gnash was unstable from the start. i guess that's what it was |
| 00:11.25 | buhman | Gump: but that includes youtube (it has a f9 player) |
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| 00:14.08 | wols | Gump: shouldn't you check yourself if you updated anything? |
| 00:15.11 | Gump | wols, i didn't. i didn't install anything, and unless something installed itself without leaving a trace, i changed nothing |
| 00:15.35 | Gump | that's why i suspect malware... but i've NEVER had a virus, and i've downloaded tons of them in the past |
| 00:16.06 | Gump | all of them only infect windows machines... i guess i'm gonna install avast |
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| 00:18.43 | jair | this is a very silly question, sorry but I have been looking in google and man pages and could not figure it out, there is a way I can tell vim to print all the lines on the left of the text file I am editing |
| 00:19.03 | jair | does anyone here remember how to activate that in vim? |
| 00:19.07 | Gump | on the left? expound? |
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| 00:19.35 | jair | Gump: on the left, vim will print all the lines as you edit the file |
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| 00:20.06 | Gump | jair, sorry, i don't know vim |
| 00:20.14 | jair | not problem |
| 00:20.26 | dvs | you mean line NUMBERS? |
| 00:20.34 | jair | yes! |
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| 00:21.28 | jair | sorry I don't know how to speak vim well. |
| 00:22.20 | jair | dvs: so? do you know how to activate the line numbers? |
| 00:22.28 | dvs | nope |
| 00:22.40 | jair | dvs: hahaha you are funny. |
| 00:23.02 | somiaj | jair: seems to return from my first google search of "set line numbers in vim" |
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| 00:23.10 | somiaj | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/vi-show-line-numbers/ |
| 00:23.15 | somiaj | what I got from the I'm feelng lucky button |
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| 00:24.07 | jair | somiaj: got it my friend |
| 00:24.15 | jair | somiaj: thank you very much! |
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| 00:27.08 | jair | somiaj: I found the numbers command is: :set number or set nu for those interested :) |
| 00:27.26 | jair | somiaj: I will try to find the way to actuvate the colors as well. |
| 00:27.33 | jair | activate |
| 00:27.39 | somiaj | jair: look up syntax higlighting |
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| 00:27.49 | jair | somiaj: great will do |
| 00:28.44 | jair | awesome ---> to activate the syntax :syntax on |
| 00:28.59 | jair | somiaj: thank you very much I really will start using more vim |
| 00:29.14 | somiaj | jair: http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Change_the_color_scheme |
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| 00:31.17 | jair | somiaj: again thank you so much! |
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| 00:40.06 | neuro_damage | what's a quick way on the debian distro to find out the current release, ie. lenny or etc..thanks |
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| 00:41.20 | dvs | neuro_damage: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 00:41.32 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 00:41.38 | lenswipe | having issues installing perl on debian |
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| 00:41.56 | lenswipe | http://pastebin.com/M06QUHYk |
| 00:42.02 | lenswipe | can anyone help with that? |
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| 00:42.44 | lenswipe | nevermind folks i fixed it |
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| 00:42.56 | dvs | !next |
| 00:42.57 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 00:43.05 | neuro_damage | dvs: cheers |
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| 00:43.18 | dvs | bye? |
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| 00:45.56 | ShKoDrAnI | hi everyone, question: do you guys recommend to keep gnome 2.30 or should i upgrade to 3? |
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| 00:50.16 | karlpinc_ | ShKoDrAnI: Either you stick with the software provided by your distro or you spend your time doing system's integration -- which most people are bad at as proved by all the boxes that turn to muck after a few years and need a wipe and re-install. |
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| 00:50.43 | karlpinc_ | s/'// |
| 00:50.51 | RichiH | what's the name of the tool that allows me to artificially degrade network links on linux? i though they were part fo the iproute2 suite, but i can't find anything |
| 00:51.12 | karlpinc_ | RichiH: Is it in ethtools? |
| 00:52.10 | RichiH | karlpinc_: no; it's on layer 3 |
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| 00:58.53 | karlpinc_ | RichiH: tc? |
| 00:59.33 | karlpinc_ | RichiH: That's in iproute. |
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| 01:03.28 | Krunk | karlpinc_, stew: Just wanted to thank you for your help yesterday re: postgres login. Got it working. Turned out it was my $db connect statement -- it had 'host=localhost' -- didn't like that. Works great now! |
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| 01:11.33 | somiaj | ShKoDrAnI: what version of debian do you run? If you have to ask I would say no, you can wait until the debian team fixes/tests things to make the upgrade smooth. |
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| 01:15.13 | ShKoDrAnI | somiaj: i'm on squeez |
| 01:15.46 | somiaj | ShKoDrAnI: I'd just stay there until the next stable upgrade. By then the upgrade should be mostly painless and will have gnome3 |
| 01:16.19 | ShKoDrAnI | somiaj: thanks for the up |
| 01:16.23 | somiaj | ShKoDrAnI: if you really want to test gnome3, I'd wait until its in testing unless you want to mess around with experimential which isn't always the nicest experience. |
| 01:17.31 | ShKoDrAnI | somiaj: actually i want it to do some testing and see how it goes with gnome 3, mainly experimental stuff |
| 01:17.59 | ShKoDrAnI | i'll just prepare a different machine for that purpose, its better |
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| 01:18.37 | RichiH | karlpinc_: no, not tc/qdisc, either. the kernel can fake broken/degraded links |
| 01:19.44 | somiaj | ShKoDrAnI: you could also install sid + experimential in a chroot, and run X/gnome from there to test. |
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| 01:21.42 | ShKoDrAnI | somiaj: sure, i'll give it a shot as well |
| 01:23.32 | ShKoDrAnI | time to catch some sleep |
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| 01:41.33 | krisfremen | k |
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| 01:47.59 | vicro | hi |
| 01:48.27 | vicro | what crypt is this code?: |
| 01:48.31 | vicro | 5909486C3CF68AC0C7C33B091EB159A5344C0FCCB3FC6DA23776E8DB26B91AFAD2DC0FC37650B41C52F4916A48783E14683B24A845D451CE |
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| 01:49.12 | vicro | what type of encryption is this code |
| 01:49.15 | vicro | ?? |
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| 01:50.28 | DammitJim | what does this mean? http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=virtualbox-ose |
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| 01:54.32 | cheako | Hello, I'm just having a heck of a time with parsing the network/interfaces file in perl. http://pastebin.com/uwp991yg I can't even understand why it's not valid perl, and it's obvious I'm having problems grasping the concept of hash list of lists... What is this file supposed to be viewed as? |
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| 01:55.30 | cheako | It's a set of 3 hashes... That's why I'm getting confused. |
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| 02:02.56 | dvs | DammitJim: What do you mean? virtualbox-ose is going in testing with 24 hours. |
| 02:03.11 | rhenani | Hello guys i want to know if my card is nvidia |
| 02:03.19 | rhenani | how can i find it out? |
| 02:03.33 | dvs | rhenani: lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
| 02:03.41 | DammitJim | dvs, ok, I wasn't sure what it really meant... so it's being pushed in, but it might be tomorrow |
| 02:03.48 | dvs | DammitJim: yes |
| 02:03.55 | DammitJim | sweet |
| 02:04.31 | DammitJim | oh man, I better hit the sack |
| 02:04.33 | DammitJim | nite nite |
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| 02:06.56 | kopilo | Hi, I'm currently trying to install debian to an external drive, to use as a portable system. I'm wondering what is the best route to do this? |
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| 02:14.05 | nvictor | hey all |
| 02:15.00 | Miesco | How do I play Blu-ray disks? |
| 02:15.19 | nvictor | Miesco: playstation 3 :} |
| 02:15.40 | Miesco | nvictor: No in my computer |
| 02:15.47 | nvictor | sorry, couldn't resist |
| 02:15.54 | nvictor | Miesco: i really don't know |
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| 02:17.38 | jhutchins_lt | Miesco: Do you have a BluRay drive? |
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| 02:19.28 | nvictor | i am having an issue |
| 02:19.41 | nvictor | there is only one python in /urs/bin/ |
| 02:19.47 | cheako | I've got this now. |
| 02:20.17 | nvictor | but i saw python2.4, python2.5, and python2.6. how do i choose which one to run? |
| 02:20.21 | Miesco | jhutchins_lt: Yea |
| 02:20.37 | Miesco | jhutchins_lt: I want to write to a bluray disk |
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| 02:24.58 | jhutchins_lt | Woo. Dunno if anybody's implemented that yet. |
| 02:25.19 | dvs | jhutchins_lt: How does Debian make theirs? ;-) |
| 02:25.34 | jhutchins_lt | I don't know that they do. |
| 02:26.14 | jhutchins_lt | Can you read BR disks? |
| 02:27.19 | dvs | They have a "jigdo-bd" directory but not an "iso-bd" directory. |
| 02:27.23 | dvs | Hmmmm |
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| 02:27.45 | xxiao | debian does not support VIA EPIA anymore? |
| 02:27.52 | xxiao | kernel invalid when i boot it |
| 02:28.15 | xxiao | i download the i386 image |
| 02:28.56 | dvs | xxiao: I've never heard of an EPIS before. But the minimum Debian supports is 486. |
| 02:29.03 | dvs | EPIA |
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| 02:29.38 | nvz | thats what you get for having a cpu with a name that rhymes.. heh |
| 02:30.21 | xxiao | dvs: i used to run 4.0 on it just fine, but 6.0 does not boot |
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| 02:30.27 | xxiao | i believe it's at least 586 |
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| 02:30.57 | xxiao | i should give 4.0 a try now...then try to upgrade |
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| 02:31.03 | rajkosto | how do i add a bunch of ipv6 addresses ? |
| 02:31.20 | rajkosto | to one interface |
| 02:32.44 | stew | rajkosto: ip -6 addr add 1234::1/64 dev eth0 |
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| 02:33.18 | rajkosto | i mean persistent |
| 02:33.25 | rajkosto | in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:33.35 | stew | rajkosto: add "up ip -6 addr add 1234::1/64 dev eth0" to the eth0 stanza, for instance |
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| 02:34.27 | dvs | start reading up on this IPv6 stuff. |
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| 02:37.01 | rajkosto | so why even have a inet6 block |
| 02:37.10 | rajkosto | cant i just add all ipv6 addresses using up, in the ipv4 block ? |
| 02:37.22 | rajkosto | in iface eth0 inet static |
| 02:37.45 | stew | rajkosto: inet is for ipv4 |
| 02:38.01 | rajkosto | yeah but UP executes anything |
| 02:38.05 | stew | yes |
| 02:38.19 | chrissbx | As most of the time, I'm compiling a kernels myself also for a new Atom D510 machine I've bought. It's got a 64 bit cpu, but somehow I just can't figure out how to change my .config over to 64 bit. |
| 02:38.22 | stew | there is also "manual" if you really prefer that |
| 02:38.31 | rajkosto | i also have 2 additionall ipv4 |
| 02:38.37 | rajkosto | should i use up for those too ? |
| 02:38.40 | rajkosto | currently using :0 and :1 stuff |
| 02:38.49 | stew | whichever you prefer |
| 02:38.53 | chrissbx | Even if I'm selecting "Core 2" as the cpu, it will stay on 32 bit features and oldconfig will actively remove any changes I'm trying to edig into .config myself. |
| 02:39.08 | chrissbx | Any idea? |
| 02:39.35 | chrissbx | 2.6.38.6 |
| 02:39.39 | dvs | chrissbx: Trying to compile a 64-bit kernel on a 32-bit system? |
| 02:39.42 | rajkosto | up "stuff to execute" ? |
| 02:39.45 | rajkosto | or without the " |
| 02:40.28 | chrissbx | dvs: I'm compiling it on the system for which I want it, but it's running a 32bit kernel currently, and the userspace is 32 bit. Does gcc come without 64bit capability when compiled for 32 bit? |
| 02:41.05 | stew | rajkosto: without the " |
| 02:41.10 | dvs | chrissbx: I'm not sure how to get the 64-bit libraries onto a 32-bit system. |
| 02:41.11 | rajkosto | stew, whats the proper way to restart networking ? |
| 02:41.19 | rajkosto | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.37 | chrissbx | dvs: I don't care about the userspace atm, just want the kernel to be 64 bit. |
| 02:41.41 | dvs | rajkosto: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 02:41.52 | rajkosto | can i do it from ssh ? |
| 02:42.06 | chrissbx | dvs: but maybe gcc on 32 bit userland is unable to do that.. |
| 02:42.19 | dvs | rajkosto: probably not |
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| 02:42.39 | dvs | chrissbx: I've never been successful doing it. |
| 02:43.10 | rypervenche | Do all of you use Debian Stable? |
| 02:43.35 | dvs | rypervenche: If you want help with other versions, you want #debian-next |
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| 02:44.24 | sonic_ | hola como estan tengo uan consulta sobre VirtualBox cada ves que lo arranco me sale esta leyenda La pantalla de la máquina virtual está optimizada para trabajar en modo de color 32 bit. Sin embargo, el modo del pantalla de la máquina virtual está configurada como 24 bit. |
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| 02:44.45 | rypervenche | dvs: I don't, I was just curious if I should upgrade to testing or not. I wanted to know if others have done it or if the majority stay on stable. |
| 02:44.46 | sonic_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.35 | dvs | rypervenche: It depends on your reason why you want to. If it's "just for the heck of it", then I wouldn't. |
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| 02:45.54 | Raptors | How do you test ident though telnet? |
| 02:46.58 | Raptors | hm.. I figured it out |
| 02:47.15 | Raptors | telnet 192.168.1.108 113. It seems to work but it's not connecting :/ |
| 02:47.19 | rypervenche | dvs: Actually, I would like an up-to-date version of Chromium-browser, but it's not possible on stable because of the dependency issues :( |
| 02:47.47 | sonic_ | me podrian ayudar |
| 02:47.49 | dvs | rypervenche: Dunno about chromium. I've never used it. |
| 02:47.51 | sonic_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.51 | stew | !es |
| 02:47.51 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 02:47.54 | sonic_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.56 | sonic_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:49.00 | dvs | rypervenche: version 11 is in sid (unstable) |
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| 02:53.00 | rypervenche | dvs: I know, but there are too many dependency issues. |
| 02:53.39 | dvs | rypervenche: I'd wait until it gets into backports. |
| 02:54.14 | rypervenche | dvs: Ok, thank you. |
| 02:54.19 | dvs | np |
| 02:55.30 | nvictor | i have a question |
| 02:55.48 | nvictor | does the export command expand the current directory? |
| 02:59.21 | gnarface | you mean like "." ? |
| 02:59.52 | gnarface | i don't think the export command expands shit |
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| 03:00.17 | gnarface | i think that would be something the uh... shell does? |
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| 03:06.40 | stew | nvictor: you mean the export shell builtin? |
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| 03:21.23 | rajkosto | stew, why is http://pastebin.com/tycFukSS giving me no ipv6 ? |
| 03:21.26 | rajkosto | the ipv4 part works |
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| 04:00.31 | ham5 | hey guiz |
| 04:01.00 | ham5 | noticed my desktop loading slower after i gdm login, how can i find out whats doing what, or where togo, look? |
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| 04:03.33 | ham5 | chown? |
| 04:03.37 | lkthomas | not work |
| 04:03.58 | gnarface | lkthomas: you don't |
| 04:04.03 | lkthomas | huh? |
| 04:04.08 | ham5 | use -h? |
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| 04:23.53 | Ademan | is there a way to tell dhclient not to configure an interface from /etc/network/interfaces ? I have eth0 set to static, I ran ifdown ifup and some time later (not sure when but I suspect it was when my lease was up) eth0 was configured by dhclient. Should settings in /etc/network/interfaces disable dhclient from configuring an interface? do I need to restart dhclient for that to take effect? Or do I have to manually disable dhclient |
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| 04:28.14 | ZykoticK9 | Ademan, once a device is assigned an address in /etc/network/interfaces it should become "unmanaged" by network manager - you may need to restart that service (only surefire way i know would be to reboot) |
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| 04:30.38 | Ademan | ZykoticK9: hrm I guess I'll give it a reboot, thanks |
| 04:32.19 | dsockwell | so i'm trying to install openstack on debian 6.0, and zigo's private repo at gplhost.com is broken. The package now appears in debian experimental. Should I be installing it from there now? |
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| 04:32.39 | dsockwell | zigo being the person who's taking the lead in packaging it. |
| 04:35.06 | dozingrat | Please, is there any on-line tool for Debian which will show all packages which depend on one certain package. Ie, for example I want to see what all packages depend on a package XY.deb. Thank you. |
| 04:35.25 | dozingrat | I mean installing, not building a .deb. |
| 04:36.10 | dozingrat | Or, if there is no such an online tool, is it possible to see it in one of files in a debianized package ? |
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| 04:45.52 | ironicum | dozingrat: that's not an online tool, but "apt-cache --installed rdepends [pkg]" would show packages that depend on pkg |
| 04:46.06 | ironicum | installed packages that is |
| 04:46.36 | dozingrat | thank you ironicum. |
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| 04:56.38 | john2 | FAQ |
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| 04:59.40 | gnarface | is it any good? |
| 04:59.56 | simonlnu | wouldn't know |
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| 05:26.19 | [2]EhsanSanayei | Hi guys does anyone know how can I add a keyboard input layout (language) using Terminal (instead of system>>preferences>>keyboard)?Im using ubuntu natty |
| 05:26.35 | Wyzard | [2]EhsanSanayei: #ubuntu |
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| 05:28.44 | ham5 | duh |
| 05:28.55 | Wyzard | [2]EhsanSanayei: That doesn't mean /msg me with the same question, it means ask in #ubuntu |
| 05:29.31 | [2]EhsanSanayei | Ive done that alot of times |
| 05:29.49 | [2]EhsanSanayei | no resault |
| 05:29.55 | EmleyMoor | Ubuntu is off topic here |
| 05:30.05 | [2]EhsanSanayei | ok |
| 05:30.08 | [2]EhsanSanayei | sry guys |
| 05:30.15 | [2]EhsanSanayei | bye |
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| 05:34.34 | Wyzard | If the /topic directs wheezy/sid users to #debian-next, why is #debian-next invite-only? |
| 05:35.09 | Dewi | Wyzard: I guess you didn't make the cut, son |
| 05:35.12 | simonlnu | oftc |
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| 05:37.04 | Wyzard | ah, I can get into #debian-next on OFTC... so there's no #debian-next on freenode, and it exists as an invite-only channel just to prevent people from joining it? |
| 05:37.47 | simonlnu | i guess |
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| 05:47.20 | nsadmin | Wyzard, that's plenty to file a formal complaint against any op on freenode that would try to enforce a policy based on that channel |
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| 05:49.00 | simonlnu | notes it says irc.oftc.net in the topic |
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| 05:52.24 | nsadmin | simonlnu, it represents a inter-ircnet policy where the two nets have completely different policies and rules as well as admin personel and agendas |
| 05:55.04 | innociv_ | With partman I can partition my disk after debian has already been installed? It's not painful? |
| 05:55.19 | innociv_ | Oh, nope it says only for installer images |
| 05:55.24 | simonlnu | ah, i see what you're getting at |
| 05:56.53 | somiaj | innociv_: have you looked at gparted |
| 05:57.09 | Wyzard | nsadmin: seems strange for the #debian /topic on freenode to mention #debian-next when the channel is not available here, though |
| 05:57.24 | somiaj | Wyzard: its on another irc server which is mentioned in the topic |
| 05:57.38 | somiaj | debian moved away from freenode.net as its 'offical' irc network a while ago |
| 05:58.05 | innociv_ | I have not, i'll look now |
| 05:58.23 | Wyzard | oh, I didn't even notice the "(irc.oftc.net)" there :-) |
| 05:58.45 | nsadmin | Wyzard: that's exactly the reason the policy should not be enforced |
| 05:58.56 | innociv_ | I just run from command line, with ssh, somiaj. Will that be fine with it? |
| 05:59.15 | somiaj | innociv_: you need to do a combination of resizing your filesystem/partition .. no gparted is a graphial ui that requires gnome |
| 05:59.43 | nsadmin | for the record: I refuse to be subject to a policy from another net. period. |
| 05:59.45 | innociv_ | Does the ui work over ssh? I don't know anything about that.. |
| 05:59.46 | somiaj | innociv_: but you can do it with multiple commands |
| 06:00.19 | somiaj | innociv_: you can tunnell X over ssh, but that is probabaly more than you needfor this. |
| 06:00.39 | innociv_ | But I can use gparted with just command line, I mean? |
| 06:00.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | innociv_: in thta case you're using 'parted' |
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| 06:01.28 | innociv_ | alright. |
| 06:01.29 | somiaj | innociv_: ahh, yea not a pice of software I know much about, just know it does what you want. |
| 06:01.33 | innociv_ | I got that one confused with partman |
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| 06:04.27 | somiaj | so trying to build some deb package from cpan perl modules, it seems that 'cpanp' already tries to do that by default and I don't need to use cpan2dist....what is the prefered way for this in debian? |
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| 06:07.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | somiaj: dh-make-perl iirc, but i don't know how that relates to the tools you mentioned (if at all) |
| 06:08.07 | nsadmin | it could use them |
| 06:08.22 | somiaj | Kamping_Kaiser: I saw that as well, seems as if dh-make-perl is more for actually mataining a debian package as opposed to wrapping it so I was looking for a simpiler tool. |
| 06:09.00 | nsadmin | why bother using a simpler tool when you can have a complete tool? |
| 06:09.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | somiaj: i've not used it, so i can't comment about that |
| 06:09.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | afk, gl withit |
| 06:10.13 | nsadmin | either you're going to package a perl module to be installed with the perl that assisted in building the module, or there's not much point in using packaging at all, just get the module and install it |
| 06:10.59 | somiaj | nsadmin: well cpan2dist was what was suggested I use, and I've read mixed reviews comparing the two. I just find it odd that cpan2dist comes in the default perl package, but CPANPLUS::Dist:Deb isn't installable via a debian package as far as I could tell |
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| 06:11.37 | somiaj | nsadmin: yea I should just install the modules, was hoping for a nice wrapper to package them for management. |
| 06:12.11 | nsadmin | somiaj, seems like that would make cpan2dist more difficult |
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| 06:12.41 | narcarsiss | software to test gpu on debian? anyone know it all i can find is intel gpu tester but i have ati card. |
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| 06:13.20 | nsadmin | glxgears? |
| 06:13.35 | narcarsiss | more strell |
| 06:13.38 | narcarsiss | *stress |
| 06:14.02 | innociv_ | http://wiki.kartbuilding.net/index.php/Resize_%26_Create_Partitions_in_Debian What's this about "A boot disk or Live CD, or Rescue System is required to run the commands below"? |
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| 06:14.17 | narcarsiss | gpu is having memory errors from heat, i have put new mem chip coolers and now need to stress it out to see if it rashes |
| 06:14.20 | innociv_ | Am I not going to be able to add a partition over ssh?... |
| 06:14.21 | narcarsiss | *crashes |
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| 06:14.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | innociv_: i've not looked at the page,but i'm guessing its talking about partitions which are ordinarily mounted |
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| 06:15.34 | somiaj | innociv_: you don't want to modify the partition/resize a mounted file system/hd -- so one way to do that is boot up from a live/recuse enviorment and then mess with the hd. |
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| 06:16.54 | innociv_ | Oh god. |
| 06:17.10 | innociv_ | Is there nothing awesome like windows partition magic? |
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| 06:18.35 | nsadmin | "awesome like windows" doesn't make any sense |
| 06:19.03 | narcarsiss | innociv: what about cpanel |
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| 06:22.17 | innociv_ | nsadmin, i just meant that one program for windows |
| 06:22.27 | innociv_ | itp artitions disks seamlessly even when they're in use |
| 06:22.40 | innociv_ | cpanel? I don't have cpanel on my machine, narcarsiss. |
| 06:22.44 | innociv_ | Seems like a hassle.. |
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| 06:24.10 | narcarsiss | it's great for controling computer/server from a webbrowser. dont know if it suites your needs. btu good luck |
| 06:30.07 | somiaj | innociv_: why do you need to repartition this hd? |
| 06:30.19 | innociv_ | i need to put /tmp/ on another partition for safety |
| 06:30.36 | narcarsiss | flashdrive :) |
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| 06:30.46 | innociv_ | i dont have hte machine by me it's a dedicated server |
| 06:30.50 | somiaj | you could also just create a file system as a file and mount it with loop |
| 06:31.22 | innociv_ | hm? I don't follow |
| 06:31.25 | somiaj | or put /tmp in tmpfs |
| 06:31.45 | somiaj | innociv_: create a file that is the size you want /tmp to be, call it tmp_file |
| 06:32.00 | innociv_ | tmpfs? |
| 06:32.09 | somiaj | innociv_: you can then createa filesystem in that file like it was a device, and then mount that file with mount tmp_file /tmp -o loop |
| 06:32.21 | somiaj | innociv_: tmpfs is a filesystem you can create from your ram |
| 06:32.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | tmpfs ftw |
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| 06:33.44 | innociv_ | i'd probably only need 32mb, but i'm not sure i want to use up 32mb of ram for that still. |
| 06:34.06 | nsadmin | innociv_, if you don't follow, then you aren't familiar with stuff in linux that you could consider "awesome" |
| 06:34.12 | innociv_ | somiaj, is there a page that explains this practice? |
| 06:34.13 | nsadmin | that is, if you knew about it |
| 06:34.13 | innociv_ | Hehe |
| 06:34.43 | innociv_ | Yes, I'm not smart enough. I know enough that there are lots of superior things in Linux, especially for a server, just don't know enough to get over problems I sometimes encounter. |
| 06:34.52 | nsadmin | innociv_, google has been known to be useful to find pages |
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| 06:35.28 | innociv_ | i know, nsadmin, i'm just not sure what to search for when terms are ambigious :) |
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| 06:35.49 | nsadmin | innociv_, then you have your work cut out for you |
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| 06:36.00 | dpkg | 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 10 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. 6) #debian supports only Debian (see <based on debian>) |
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| 06:36.35 | Unwelcome_Guest | !rules |
| 06:36.35 | dpkg | 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 10 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. 6) #debian supports only Debian (see <based on debian>) |
| 06:36.37 | Unwelcome_Guest | !rules |
| 06:36.53 | ompaul | Unwelcome_Guest: you want to make yourself unwelcome? ;-) |
| 06:36.57 | nsadmin | !ops Unwelcome_Guest bot flood |
| 06:36.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nsadmin complains about: Unwelcome_Guest bot flood |
| 06:37.43 | somiaj | innociv_: http://freshmeat.net/articles/virtual-filesystem-building-a-linux-filesystem-from-an-ordinary-file |
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| 06:38.18 | somiaj | innociv_: though stuff there is a little outdated, it should give you teh basic idea |
| 06:38.19 | Unwelcome_Guest | I am always feeling unwelcome |
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| 06:40.24 | nsadmin | Unwelcome_Guest: google for "self-fulfilling prophecy" |
| 06:40.35 | innociv_ | Alright.. |
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| 06:43.15 | Unwelcome_Guest | The self-fulfilling prophecy is, in the beginning, a false definition of the situation evoking a new behaviour which makes the original false conception come 'true' |
| 06:43.16 | innociv_ | somiaj, this line.. "mkdir fs". In this case, I want tmp instead of fs? I already have /tmp/ created, even. |
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| 06:43.39 | somiaj | innociv_: correct, once you create the filesystem (inside the file) you can mount it anywhere |
| 06:43.40 | nsadmin | Unwelcome_Guest, exactly |
| 06:43.42 | Unwelcome_Guest | I already know this |
| 06:43.53 | somiaj | innociv_: you should also be able to mount it with just mount /path/to/file /tmp -o loop |
| 06:44.10 | somiaj | loop= option isn't needed anymore (at least on this system) |
| 06:44.12 | innociv_ | I have done the dd if=/dev/zero of=tmp_file count=40960; /sbin/mkfs -t ext3 -q tmp_file part |
| 06:44.28 | somiaj | so now just mount that tmp_file somewhere |
| 06:44.43 | nsadmin | so why do you create a false definition in your head which you then support by doing something you know would make you unwelcome? |
| 06:44.44 | somiaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:45.06 | innociv_ | somewhere as in mount it to /tmp/? Or what? And no, /tmp isn't completely empty. |
| 06:45.26 | somiaj | innociv_: mount it somewhere just like any filesystem, /mtn/foo is common place |
| 06:45.40 | ompaul | create a new location mkdir /mnt/lala or some such |
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| 06:46.21 | innociv_ | i did a mkdir /mnt/tmp |
| 06:46.29 | ompaul | or if you are really stuck /mnt/tinkywinky |
| 06:46.42 | ompaul | innociv_: if you want to hang on to it don't use tmp |
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| 06:47.01 | ompaul | just from a logical naming perspective |
| 06:47.16 | ompaul | tmp being temporary |
| 06:47.57 | innociv_ | i'll know what it is since it's for the /tmp directory though |
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| 06:48.06 | nsadmin | right, /tmp is subject to being erased |
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| 06:50.01 | innociv_ | what is the /mnt/tmp for, even? |
| 06:50.28 | somiaj | innociv_: think about what it is your doing. |
| 06:50.40 | innociv_ | mounting a file as a device? |
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| 06:51.37 | somiaj | yes, your system may have stuff in /tmp you need so you don't want to just mount it there before say copying over the stuff that is there, so mount it elsewhere first to learn. |
| 06:51.46 | somiaj | or just mount it at /tmp and see what happens |
| 06:52.28 | innociv_ | So I should do mount /tmp_file /mnt/tmp -o loop ? |
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| 06:53.03 | nsadmin | assuming /mnt/tmp exists at the time you run that |
| 06:53.08 | ompaul | innociv_: what some of us (mostly me) are getting at, please put some serious thought into your file naming and location and don't go breaking conventions by using test or tmp in file names that can't die at a nano seconds notice |
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| 06:53.45 | innociv_ | er I made it /mnt/tmp_file already. Sorry. |
| 06:53.48 | nsadmin | doesn't see enough effort into learning the linux side |
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| 06:54.29 | ompaul | innociv_: give the file a name that matches its function, FileOfFileSystemLearning and a place called /mnt/MyFileSystem |
| 06:55.45 | nsadmin | or somewhere not off /mnt, in case you want to make a moreorless permanent place |
| 06:55.56 | ompaul | +1 |
| 06:56.05 | ompaul | even better idea |
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| 06:56.56 | innociv_ | well, it needs to be for /tmp, but /tmp is already being used. Am I mounting it to this folder in /mnt/ only to rename it to /tmp after copying things from /tmp? |
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| 06:59.58 | nsadmin | why is /tmp being used? |
| 07:00.05 | innociv_ | php uses it |
| 07:00.09 | innociv_ | for uploads. |
| 07:00.15 | Wyzard | innociv_: What are you trying to do, use a loop-mounted file as your /tmp ? |
| 07:00.29 | innociv_ | Yeah, instead of having a partition, for security |
| 07:01.07 | Wyzard | I don't see what security benefit you'd get from using a loop-mounted file instead of a partition |
| 07:01.28 | innociv_ | Wyzard, currently I have no partitioning of my disk. This is instead of using no partition. |
| 07:01.42 | innociv_ | /dev/loop0 /tmp ext3 rw,relatime,errors=continue,data=ordered 0 0 |
| 07:01.56 | Wyzard | so your root filesystem is on a raw disk with no partition table, thus you can't have a separate partition for /tmp? |
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| 07:02.17 | Wyzard | thinks you're creating unnecessary work for yourself |
| 07:03.24 | innociv_ | Yes, that sounds right. |
| 07:03.24 | innociv_ | Unnecessary work compared to what? |
| 07:03.24 | innociv_ | somiaj, this will automatically mount on reboot, too? |
| 07:03.25 | nsadmin | and doing that even more by involving yourself in any way with php |
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| 07:03.35 | innociv_ | Haha :p |
| 07:03.41 | somiaj | innociv_: of course not. |
| 07:03.43 | Wyzard | compared to partitioning your disk, for one thing |
| 07:04.05 | innociv_ | wyzard, well I don't physically have the machine by me so this seemed much easier. |
| 07:04.25 | Wyzard | It's still not clear what security benefit you think you'll get from using a file for /tmp |
| 07:04.38 | Wyzard | If you don't want /tmp to persist across reboots, you can use a tmpfs |
| 07:04.40 | Dewi | shouldn't /tmp be a ramdisk if anything? |
| 07:05.03 | Dewi | forcing it out of RAM onto disk is a great way to slow things down *and* be less secure |
| 07:05.12 | Wyzard | and dm-crypt with a random key on your swapspace so that its contents (which can include tmpfs data) can't be recovered after a reboot |
| 07:05.16 | somiaj | innociv_: but if youset up fstab correctly it will. Though listen to Wyzard tmpfs is the prefered way to go. |
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| 07:05.56 | Dewi | Wyzard: is that really where tmpfs persists to? |
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| 07:06.13 | innociv_ | tmpfs as in using ram? It's just occasional file uploads, doesn't need to be any faster than it is now. |
| 07:06.14 | Wyzard | It doesn't exactly "persist" -- the data is discarded when it's unmounted |
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| 07:06.26 | Wyzard | but tmpfs is based on virtual memory, which means pages can move between RAM and swap as needed |
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| 07:07.00 | Dewi | Wyzard: that sounds like a ramdisk though, tmpfs can persist |
| 07:07.06 | Wyzard | innociv_: I didn't suggest it for speed, I suggested it because you mentioned security, and tmpfs contents don't persist across a reboot |
| 07:07.23 | simonlnu | a ramdisk is different |
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| 07:07.50 | Wyzard | Dewi: If it were persistent it wouldn't have "tmp" in its name |
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| 07:08.10 | innociv_ | somiaj, how would I correctly set up fstab for this? Other things suggest having noexec, nosuid on it. |
| 07:08.36 | somiaj | innociv_: I'm done giving you step by step instructions. Look up the info for fstab, put the required info in the right spot. |
| 07:08.38 | Dewi | Wyzard: tmp means it doesn't need to persist across reboots, it doesn't mean it doesn't hit a disk |
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| 07:09.09 | innociv_ | php is plain not working after I mounted tmp_file /tmp, somiaj |
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| 07:09.30 | Wyzard | Dewi: I'm considering "persist" to mean you can unmount and remount it and the contents are still there |
| 07:09.38 | innociv_ | Well, seems lighttpd isn't either |
| 07:09.54 | Wyzard | Dewi: Paging things out to swapspace doesn't count as persisting; otherwise you'd have to say all your processes' working memory is persistent |
| 07:09.59 | Dewi | innociv_: you should be changing that setting BTW, it's not particularly secure to give PHP access to the system /tmp |
| 07:10.03 | innociv_ | also, unmount is giving me command not found. |
| 07:10.25 | innociv_ | What should php use? IT was using /var/tmp before |
| 07:10.25 | Wyzard | It's "umount", not "unmount" |
| 07:10.30 | simonlnu | it's umount |
| 07:10.52 | Dewi | Wyzard: from a security standpoint it is though. We need another word for "stored on a disk" |
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| 07:11.49 | Dewi | Wyzard: looks like you're right though; I actually thought tmpfs backed very lazily onto a real store, which according to wikipedia is how windows does it |
| 07:12.02 | kingsley | Is there a way to see a history of logins? If so, how? |
| 07:12.15 | simonlnu | not at all, though you can "ramdisk-ify" it (recent stuff) |
| 07:12.19 | Dewi | Wyzard: probably I got this confusion partially because my /tmp isn't in tmpfs :( |
| 07:12.23 | simonlnu | kingsley: last |
| 07:12.27 | Dewi | my system is oooold |
| 07:12.53 | Wyzard | Dewi: The nice thing about tmpfs working that way is that if you encrypt your swapspace, it protects your tmpfs contents too |
| 07:13.01 | innociv_ | Well, I'll make it tmpfs.. |
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| 07:13.03 | Wyzard | Dewi: new key from /dev/random each boot |
| 07:13.15 | Dewi | Wyzard: do you know if the installer now sets all this up? |
| 07:14.01 | Dewi | Wyzard: I don't mean the crypto, just tmpfs |
| 07:14.09 | kingsley | simonlnu: Thank you. |
| 07:14.11 | Dewi | (although it can do that too) |
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| 07:14.21 | Wyzard | It doesn't |
| 07:14.21 | innociv_ | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=16450 so, I should follow this then I'd think |
| 07:15.26 | Dewi | Wyzard: any idea why not? |
| 07:15.50 | Dewi | Wyzard: just booted a brand new squeeze system and it has several tmpfs's, but not on /tmp |
| 07:16.09 | Wyzard | Well, in the installer's partitioning tool, you choose mountpoints by first selecting a partition, then specifying what path it should be mounted on |
| 07:16.21 | simonlnu | still have to set it up manually |
| 07:16.28 | Wyzard | A tmpfs doesn't correspond to any partition, so there's nothing to select and say you want it mounted on /tmp |
| 07:16.38 | Dewi | Wyzard: you just said it's stored on swap |
| 07:16.41 | innociv_ | SHM_SIZE= is blank. It's in bytes? 4096 bytes seems too little. Should I modify this to SHM_SIZE=33554432 ? |
| 07:16.52 | Dewi | Wyzard: and the installer creates heaps of mountpoints you don't specify in the partitioner |
| 07:17.05 | Wyzard | It's stored in virtual memory, and the VM subsystem happens to write things to swap sometimes |
| 07:17.11 | innociv_ | Oh I can do 32m |
| 07:17.12 | simonlnu | i found 96MB to be sufficient for the vast majority of cases |
| 07:17.28 | Dewi | Wyzard: wouldn't that just be a ramdisk? |
| 07:17.39 | Wyzard | but you're not dedicating an entire swap device to tmpfs; you wouldn't select your swap partition and say "mount this on /tmp" |
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| 07:17.50 | simonlnu | no, because it doesn't persist ;) |
| 07:18.01 | innociv_ | so, with tmpfs mounting /tmp in fstab, i'd need to reboot for this to take effect? |
| 07:18.02 | Dewi | simonlnu: um, neither do ramdisks? |
| 07:18.03 | Wyzard | Dewi: Do you know what virtual memory is? |
| 07:18.14 | simonlnu | ramdisks can |
| 07:18.19 | Dewi | Wyzard: yes! I'm asking you why doesn't debian work the way you desribe |
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| 07:18.22 | Dewi | describe |
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| 07:18.38 | Dewi | Wyzard: like, by default |
| 07:18.40 | simonlnu | innociv_: no |
| 07:18.49 | innociv_ | What am I missing, then? |
| 07:18.51 | simonlnu | though it would be cleaner |
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| 07:19.16 | Wyzard | The other tmpfs mounts you mentioned (like /dev/shm) aren't /etc/fstab entries, they're necessary mounts established by startup scripts, that you don't have a choice about |
| 07:19.18 | Dewi | Wyzard: debian creates a bunch of tmpfs on install, but none is mounted to /tmp. Why? |
| 07:19.27 | nevyn | Dewi: so the question is "Why does debian not use tmpfs for /tmp? " |
| 07:19.32 | Dewi | nevyn: yes |
| 07:19.33 | simonlnu | those other ones are set up at boot |
| 07:19.37 | Wyzard | Those mounts aren't "created on install"; they don't exist in any configuration files |
| 07:19.57 | Wyzard | They're part of the boot process |
| 07:20.23 | innociv_ | wyzard, reading that it looked like I could use dev/shm OR fstab. |
| 07:20.28 | Wyzard | udev mounts a tmpfs on /dev and populates it with device nodes, for example, because that's udev's job |
| 07:20.31 | innociv_ | Do I not just need the line in fstab? |
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| 07:20.53 | Wyzard | innociv_: "dev/shm or fstab" doesn't make sense -- those two things aren't alternatives to each other |
| 07:20.55 | Dewi | I'm asking why if using tmpfs for /tmp is such a recommended configuration, why isn't it default? |
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| 07:21.06 | Wyzard | If you want a tmpfs (or any filesystem) mounted on /tmp, you need an entry for it in fstab |
| 07:21.07 | Dewi | people always talk about it in here like it's *the* thing to do |
| 07:21.11 | nevyn | Dewi: who said it's a recommended configuration? |
| 07:21.41 | nevyn | I like it but then I'm crazy (I also have dm-crypt on my laptop etc.) |
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| 07:21.46 | Dewi | nevyn: I've seen it recommended a lot of times |
| 07:21.54 | innociv_ | wyzard, I made the entry in fstab. I put tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,noexec,nosuid 0 0 . I also set my SHM_SIZE=32m Is there anything else I need to do? Do I just reboot now, or what?.. |
| 07:22.03 | Wyzard | Dewi: It's my personal recommendation for someone who wants their /tmp to take advantage of encryption done on the swap device, not a universal Debian Best Practice |
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| 07:22.23 | Dewi | Wyzard: surely / is encrypted too |
| 07:22.28 | Dewi | Wyzard: so I don't see the difference |
| 07:22.48 | Wyzard | Dewi: / is encrypted but with a key that doesn't change, so the data is the same each time it's unlocked |
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| 07:22.53 | Dewi | or a loop mount for that matter |
| 07:23.13 | Wyzard | Dewi: swap is encrypted with a key that's read from /dev/random each time the system boots, and never saved to disk, so once you shut down, that key is gone and the swap contents can't be recovered |
| 07:23.58 | innociv_ | wyzard, do I need to reboot after doing this, or what? |
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| 07:24.08 | innociv_ | Am I missing anything?.. |
| 07:24.11 | Wyzard | innociv_: Rebooting would be the safest thing to do, to ensure that anything currently relying on files in /tmp won't be confused when they "disappear" due to the tmpfs being mounted over them |
| 07:24.21 | Dewi | Wyzard: if /tmp contains more sensitive data than /home or /etc something is very wrong |
| 07:24.22 | innociv_ | Yeah that's what I thought |
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| 07:25.15 | Dewi | Wyzard: but I guess clearing it unrecoverably *is* better |
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| 07:25.38 | Wyzard | Dewi: generally it shouldn't, but I have less control over what goes in /tmp (since programs put files there, not me), and since it's easy to do, I see no reason not to |
| 07:26.03 | Dewi | Wyzard: lack of space might be one reason, not that I've ever seen software hammer it too badly |
| 07:26.20 | Wyzard | hasn't been a problem for me |
| 07:26.31 | Wyzard | and remember, it's not just your RAM, it's RAM+swap |
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| 07:26.42 | Dewi | Wyzard: but arguably the default configuration allows a user to DOS the whole system so that's not really ideal |
| 07:26.52 | Dewi | Wyzard: (by filling / ) |
| 07:26.56 | Wyzard | not that I put multi-gigabyte files in /tmp anyway |
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| 07:27.47 | innociv_ | seems to have worked fine (and was simple) |
| 07:28.17 | mrdeb | i have a problem with thunar launching files. it wont launch executable linux binary, or launch files associations with extensions without using the menu |
| 07:28.20 | innociv_ | the problem I had before is something disguised itself as an img when it was actually a compressed file that executed in the tmp directory. |
| 07:28.47 | Wyzard | ah, so the security you mentioned is being able to mount /tmp with the noexec option |
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| 07:30.18 | mrdeb | hello? |
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| 07:31.24 | Wyzard | though that's of dubious value since non-executable programs can be run via something like "/lib/ld-linux.so.2 /path/to/program" |
| 07:31.33 | webad13 | when using find -exec , is there a way for it to increment a variable while going through files? |
| 07:32.11 | innociv_ | wyzard, yep |
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| 07:32.47 | Wyzard | At any rate, it makes sense that you want your /tmp to be a different mount than your root filesystem, so you can use different mount options |
| 07:32.52 | mrdeb | webad13: so it's ld-linux? |
| 07:33.12 | Wyzard | but I still think it doesn't make much sense for you to be using a raw unpartitioned disk for your root filesystem (if I correctly understood what you said earlier) |
| 07:33.40 | mrdeb | it says segmentation fault, Wyzard |
| 07:34.05 | Morten_ | Hi, can anyone recommend a Development Environment for use with a variety of programming languages? |
| 07:34.20 | somiaj | Morten_: gvim? |
| 07:34.21 | Wyzard | mrdeb: No, I was talking to innociv_ when I mentioned ld-linux |
| 07:34.33 | Wyzard | mrdeb: though running a program that way shouldn't result in a segmentation fault... what command did you run? |
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| 07:35.13 | mrdeb | i ran that lib you gave and pointe to the binary |
| 07:35.22 | Wyzard | what binary? |
| 07:35.23 | mrdeb | it launches ok with pcmanfm but not thunar |
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| 07:35.37 | mrdeb | its a closed source game |
| 07:35.56 | mrdeb | its on a removable disk |
| 07:36.15 | Wyzard | Does it work if you run it directly from a shell? |
| 07:36.27 | poopmaster | hello, which cd do i need to download? |
| 07:36.31 | poopmaster | there is 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 |
| 07:36.32 | mrdeb | i dont know how to run it from shell. it doesnt recognize itas program |
| 07:36.41 | Wyzard | poopmaster: typically just the netinst CD |
| 07:36.53 | webad13 | mrdeb: ld? |
| 07:36.54 | somiaj | poopmaster: to install debian stable, you can get away with downloading just a 200meg netinstall CD -- but cd1 also contains the installer. |
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| 07:37.09 | Wyzard | poopmaster: The full CD/DVD set is for people who want to have all the packages available for installation without needing an Internet connection |
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| 07:37.23 | somiaj | poopmaster: if you don't have net access and need the cd's to install from you'll need 1 + any others that have software you will run on it. |
| 07:37.28 | webad13 | it is not compiled by my if that is what u meant |
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| 07:38.10 | Wyzard | mrdeb: If you run "ls -l" on the binary and look at the permissions flags, is it executable? |
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| 07:39.14 | poopmaster | oh i see, so if i dont have internet i have to burn all 52 iso disc? |
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| 07:39.31 | webad13 | mrdeb: what I am asking is if I can do something like: find . -name "*.txt" -exec screen vim {} /; |
| 07:39.56 | Wyzard | poopmaster: You don't have to burn all of them if you don't want to, but you'll only have access to packages on the ones that you burned |
| 07:40.02 | tabakhase | arg |
| 07:40.17 | webad13 | mrdeb: I would like my screen sessions to be named, so using -t.... but I would need some counter or a way to retrieve text from filename to name it |
| 07:40.19 | Wyzard | poopmaster: but if you have Internet access you don't need to install packages from CD; the system can just download them when it needs them |
| 07:40.22 | poopmaster | oh i see, that only applies to a non internet desktop |
| 07:40.36 | poopmaster | if i have net, netinst will do |
| 07:40.42 | Wyzard | right |
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| 07:41.12 | somiaj | webad13: screen -S foo not work for you? |
| 07:41.23 | tabakhase | vlan with w1-4 - w1 can reach no one, w2&w3&w4 can reach each other (exept w1), and via public ips all servers are reachable, also w1 => vlan on w1 is dead |
| 07:41.43 | tabakhase | but: what now? rebooted, restartet networking nothing helps and im stuck =( |
| 07:42.11 | tabakhase | (worked fine since cristmas unitl today morning 6:27am -.-) |
| 07:42.18 | poopmaster | Wyzard, what about installing debian from an external usb hdd? |
| 07:42.37 | somiaj | Wyzard: you can do that, the netinstall contains usb stick images too |
| 07:42.52 | somiaj | poopmaster: ^^ |
| 07:42.55 | somiaj | Wyzard: opps... |
| 07:43.03 | poopmaster | ok i am going to try it thanks |
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| 07:44.47 | silvering | hi guys, can someone help me with my harddrives :) |
| 07:44.47 | poopmaster | just downloaded the netinstat.iso. i dont see to see any files that i can use to create a ubs stick |
| 07:45.21 | mrdeb | why cant i make files non-executable on removable drive |
| 07:45.47 | mrdeb | when i copy to localdrive, i can use chmod. i copy them back to usb, they are made auto exec and WONT launch |
| 07:45.57 | silvering | i have 2 hard drives, on sda is my data and its ntfs, pn sdb is my ubuntu system |
| 07:46.01 | silvering | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:46.31 | somiaj | silvering: bootflags are mostly ignored by proper bootloaders (grub) |
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| 07:46.46 | somiaj | silvering: what matters is the MBR of your primary disk you choose to boot off of has grub properally isntalled |
| 07:46.50 | silvering | somiaj how ti see where my grubloader is installed? |
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| 07:47.40 | somiaj | silvering: by default it will be on the MBR of sda, but it shouldn't be affected at all if you just change the file system and leave the partitions alone |
| 07:47.55 | somiaj | silvering: you may have to reconfigure it to boot off of any os you put there though |
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| 07:48.21 | silvering | im not going to install os on sda, i just want to delete my data and format it to reiserfs |
| 07:48.25 | somiaj | silvering: check your grub.conf in /boot, it says where the loader is isntalled |
| 07:48.30 | Wyzard | mrdeb: Your removable drive is using a non-Unix filesystem like FAT or NTFS, right? |
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| 07:48.36 | Wyzard | mrdeb: Unix permissions don't exist in those filesystems |
| 07:48.38 | silvering | ok, just a sex |
| 07:48.42 | silvering | sec* :D |
| 07:49.09 | somiaj | silvering: the mbr will not be effected by reformating (running mkfs.ext3) overtop of your ntfs filesystem |
| 07:49.40 | Wyzard | mrdeb: The driver simulates a reasonable set of permissions (read/write for files, execute for directories) and ignores attempts to change them (because there's no place to actually store the permission data on the disk) |
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| 07:50.47 | michelem | hello folks |
| 07:50.54 | somiaj | the uid=foo,gid=bar options are useful for said filesystems to give ownership/group of the whole device to a user |
| 07:51.28 | Wyzard | somiaj: what mrdeb wants is execute permission on a certain file |
| 07:51.31 | michelem | I recently upgraded to squeeze and I'm unclear about some of the dependency-based boot system |
| 07:51.34 | nomicon | Hello. I hope someone is Able to help me. I made a fresh installation of Squeeze, and when rebooting after the installation the screen goes black after booting from Grub |
| 07:51.46 | nomicon | I tried setting nosetmode in grub and booted again, and now I see this message: |
| 07:51.49 | nomicon | ] *ERROR* EDID checksum is invalid, remainder is 128 |
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| 07:54.09 | michelem | my understanding is that /etc/init.d/* scripts are still used to control the daemons. But if I try to /etc/init.d/ntp stop, the daemon is not stopped, and pstree shows me that it's child of init directly |
| 07:57.11 | somiaj | michelem: have you rebooted since the upgrade. /etc/init.d/ntp {start;stop} works fine here |
| 07:57.22 | michelem | yep |
| 07:57.45 | Bushmills | michelem: does your ntpd still respond? |
| 07:58.34 | michelem | Ss, so it should be up and sleeping |
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| 07:58.47 | Bushmills | try ntpq -c peers |
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| 07:58.58 | michelem | yes, it responds to sigterm |
| 07:59.06 | michelem | btw there are two instances, that weirds me out |
| 07:59.28 | Bushmills | even when you're doing ps auxf? |
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| 08:01.22 | michelem | I might have edited the init scripts when moving to 6.0, maybe I fucked up something |
| 08:01.39 | michelem | I'm trying the windows-style solution to remove it and reinstall it clean |
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| 08:11.12 | michelem | still |
| 08:11.36 | michelem | my impression is, it's not the startup system to take up ntp |
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| 08:11.59 | michelem | I not get an explicit "warning: failed to kill #pid: No such process" |
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| 08:15.25 | somiaj | michelem: check the start/stop script, maybe there is an old pid contained in the pid file it creates you need to clean up |
| 08:15.32 | Wyzard | michelem: If you removed the ntp package, did you purge it? |
| 08:16.19 | michelem | I think that's a bug in ntpd |
| 08:17.15 | michelem | ntpd is the one to write the pid file ("-p pidfile" on cmdline), but the file consistently contains P+1 when ntpd's pid is P |
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| 08:17.32 | michelem | Wyzard: y |
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| 08:18.07 | xro | Hi, i'm looking for a way to query mail blacklist? do you know? (i heard about dns queries) |
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| 08:18.37 | michelem | xro: you just compose the query like d.c.b.a.DNSBL where DNSBL is the list you want to query |
| 08:18.40 | Wyzard | michelem: because initscripts are often marked as conffiles in a package, and conffiles aren't removed unless you purge, so if you think you might have broken the initscript, you should fully purge the package before reinstalling it, to ensure that the initscript is replaced |
| 08:18.51 | michelem | Wyzard: I did |
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| 08:19.18 | michelem | I'm tracing it, apparently both start-stop-daemon and ntpd operate on the PID |
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| 08:20.46 | xro | michelem, a dns query like --> dig -t ??? d.c.b.a.[what is DNSBL? the ip? the url?] |
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| 08:24.34 | michelem | xro: a simple A query |
| 08:24.57 | michelem | pick your DNSBL, there are many. http://www.dnsbl.info/dnsbl-list.php |
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| 08:25.31 | xro | michelem, ok... great infos for me... thanks a lot |
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| 08:26.06 | Polysics | hello |
| 08:26.31 | silvering | and now, how to edit fstab so my to new reiserfs partitions to be automounted |
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| 08:27.08 | Polysics | to configure a machine to be ONLY a HTTP/HTTPS proxy, i need squid? |
| 08:27.12 | Wyzard | People still use reiserfs? :-P |
| 08:27.19 | silvering | only me |
| 08:27.20 | silvering | :) |
| 08:27.36 | Polysics | i want to simulate a situation on a client's networks where they have no internet access save through this proxy |
| 08:27.40 | Polysics | no open ports at all |
| 08:28.43 | silvering | Wyzard: i already added to fstab: /dev/sda1 /media/Samsung reiserfs defaults 0 1 but after i restarted it wasnt mounted |
| 08:29.12 | Tekk_ | are there plans to actually upgrade kde in wheezy? 4.4 is pre Squeeze freeze.... |
| 08:29.14 | Wyzard | That sounds correct |
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| 08:29.24 | Wyzard | Any errors if you run "mount -a" as root? |
| 08:29.28 | joltcan | Polysics: Yes, squid is good for that. But it's a little tricky to configure if you have not used it before, so google for a quick start |
| 08:30.00 | Polysics | joltcan, i could also use something less complicated if you think it would help |
| 08:30.16 | deckstar | Can anyone recommend a good debian distro to start with? Easy for beginners. I'm trying Simply Mepis at the moment, but finding it a little complicated. |
| 08:30.28 | silvering | some guy just said to me that it has to be "UUID=********** /media/mountpoint reiserfs defaults 1 1" |
| 08:30.41 | joltcan | Polysics: Depends on if you want it to be a proxy that they have to configure to use, or if you want it to be transparant |
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| 08:31.08 | Polysics | joltcan, no, i need people to configure it |
| 08:31.17 | Polysics | the target network works like taht |
| 08:31.44 | Wyzard | silvering: If you have multiple hard drives connected to different controllers, the drive names can change between reboots because udev loads drivers asynchronously |
| 08:31.57 | Wyzard | silvering: so the drive that's /dev/sda now might be /dev/sdb in the future |
| 08:32.10 | joltcan | Polysics: then I would prefer polipo |
| 08:32.16 | Wyzard | silvering: Using LABEL= or UUID= avoids that problem |
| 08:32.22 | silvering | no, theyre connected to one SATA controller |
| 08:32.32 | joltcan | Polysics: squid is to proxies what apache is to servers, common and huge |
| 08:32.36 | silvering | my mobo has only two sata ports |
| 08:32.41 | Wyzard | silvering: then your sda should always be sda |
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| 08:32.59 | silvering | and it is |
| 08:33.08 | Polysics | polipo looks great |
| 08:33.11 | Wyzard | Individual ports on the same controller generally don't change their relative order (though it might be possible with a strange controller or driver) |
| 08:33.14 | silvering | should i give you a copy of my fstab? |
| 08:33.24 | michelem | I want to run "startx" at boot but I don't want login managers |
| 08:33.25 | Wyzard | Did you try "mount -a"? |
| 08:33.40 | silvering | yea, with sudo mount.. i mounted them manually |
| 08:33.41 | michelem | is there any metapackage that gives me a suitable DBS script to do that? |
| 08:33.42 | Wyzard | or just "mount /media/Samsung" for that matter |
| 08:33.43 | silvering | no errors |
| 08:33.48 | silvering | but i think it was Mount -t |
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| 08:34.30 | Wyzard | Do you mean that you ran "Mount -t" and didn't get errors? |
| 08:34.35 | infinet | how to auto start a firewall script after gogoc(ipv6 tunnel) started? |
| 08:34.37 | Wyzard | and not "mount -a"? |
| 08:34.40 | silvering | Wyzard: yes, with sudo |
| 08:35.37 | Wyzard | OK, tell me the exact command that you ran, because it's not clear what you're saying you did successfully, and I don't know whether you've run "mount -a" at all |
| 08:36.08 | silvering | sudo mount -t /dev/sda1 /media/Samsung |
| 08:36.19 | Wyzard | and you didn't get errors from that? |
| 08:36.44 | silvering | well.. my bad, sorry, i just try that command again |
| 08:36.46 | silvering | and it didnt work |
| 08:36.53 | Wyzard | no, try "mount -a" |
| 08:36.55 | Wyzard | facepalm |
| 08:37.02 | somiaj | you don't give it a type at all |
| 08:37.12 | somiaj | silvering: needs to be mount -t <type> /dev/sda1 /media/Samsung |
| 08:37.14 | silvering | sorry, im just gettin from the bed and im like drunk :D |
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| 08:37.45 | Wyzard | If you're half-asleep and drunk, you should try to fix your problem some other time |
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| 08:37.59 | wodar | hello everyone |
| 08:38.00 | silvering | only half-asleep, not drunk, i was drunk last night |
| 08:38.08 | silvering | alright, lets start on clean, i unmounted them |
| 08:38.13 | silvering | i have mountpoints created |
| 08:38.14 | Wyzard | It's hard to help you when your responses are unclear and you run different commands than what I asked you to try for troubleshooting |
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| 08:38.31 | silvering | so im now going to try mount -a |
| 08:38.49 | silvering | sudo mount -a /dev/sda1 /media/Samsung |
| 08:38.54 | silvering | this one worked perfectly |
| 08:39.01 | Wyzard | Just "mount -a" |
| 08:39.03 | Wyzard | nothing else |
| 08:39.06 | wodar | i'm currently upgrading my setup, and run in something which is confusing me |
| 08:39.07 | silvering | with sudo |
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| 08:39.16 | Wyzard | Yes, with sudo, or from a root shell |
| 08:39.31 | wodar | the setupcon should use /etc/default/console-setup regarding the man page |
| 08:39.39 | silvering | sudo mount -a /dev/sda1 /media/Samsung THIS ONE :P |
| 08:39.39 | Wyzard | The point is that you're not telling it the device and mountpoint on the command line, you're making it read them from fstab |
| 08:39.44 | Wyzard | NO |
| 08:39.54 | Wyzard | "sudo mount -a" |
| 08:39.57 | Wyzard | That is the entire command |
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| 08:40.05 | wodar | but if I run setupcon --save-only us, i get a setupcon: None of /etc/default/keyboard.us nor .... |
| 08:40.10 | silvering | oh.. jesus, sorry, just a sec to try it |
| 08:40.12 | Wyzard | It means "mount everything defined in /etc/fstab" |
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| 08:40.52 | silvering | Wyzard: it worked perfectly, mu both reiserfs partition is now mounted |
| 08:41.00 | silvering | my* |
| 08:41.04 | Wyzard | OK, so your fstab entry is correct |
| 08:41.28 | silvering | so should i give it a restart of the system, to see if they will be mounted on startup? |
| 08:41.38 | wodar | would plz somebody confirm it, and is it a bug which i should filled, or is it expected behaviour? |
| 08:41.45 | Wyzard | That command is run during startup, so if it works, that filesystem should've been mounted during startup |
| 08:41.55 | wodar | filled/fill |
| 08:42.02 | Polysics | what does 192.168.10.0/24 mean, please? |
| 08:42.09 | silvering | Wyzard: ten minutes ago i restarted with the exact same fstab, and they wasnt mounted |
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| 08:42.15 | Wyzard | Polysics: the /24 is the same as netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 08:42.19 | wodar | it's the 192.168.10. network |
| 08:42.25 | Wyzard | Polysics: 24 bits worth of ones |
| 08:42.36 | thewanderer1 | Polysics: /24 means number of bits which are 1's in 32 bits of netmask |
| 08:42.45 | Polysics | so all IPs from 192.168.10.1 to .255? |
| 08:42.47 | Polysics | thanks |
| 08:42.47 | thewanderer1 | the netmask is contigious, too - first 1's, then 0's |
| 08:43.00 | wodar | except 255 |
| 08:43.04 | Wyzard | silvering: I'd check syslog and dmesg for mount-related error messages, then |
| 08:43.07 | wodar | it's used as broadcast |
| 08:43.23 | thewanderer1 | Polysics: from 0 to 255 - 0 is network address, 255 is bcast as wodar said... |
| 08:43.23 | wodar | and can not be assigned to a host |
| 08:43.24 | Wyzard | Well, .255 is still part of the address range, it's just not a valid host address |
| 08:43.36 | silvering | Wyzard: ok, ill see them now |
| 08:43.51 | foetus | had some trouble with my client, solved..sorry |
| 08:44.41 | silvering | Wyzard: i have errors only on dev fd0 |
| 08:44.45 | silvering | i/o errors |
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| 08:45.20 | Wyzard | silvering: Assuming you don't actually have a floppy drive, you should change the BIOS setting so the system doesn't think there is one |
| 08:45.23 | Polysics | if i do not activate anything, setting the gateway to a machine that is not a gateway effectively disables internet access, does it? |
| 08:45.33 | Wyzard | silvering: but that isn't related to the mount problem |
| 08:45.43 | thewanderer1 | Polysics: you should not set any gateway in this case |
| 08:45.51 | wodar | Polysics: right, if there is no routing you will be only able to communicate local |
| 08:45.58 | silvering | right, i actually have floppy drive and im using it (just not recently) |
| 08:46.11 | silvering | whatsoever, im gonna remove it from the system |
| 08:46.37 | silvering | im restarting now, and then get back to thank you or to say its not good :P |
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| 08:50.50 | silvering | Wyzard: thanks a lot, it worked :P |
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| 08:50.58 | Wyzard | silvering: We didn't change anything |
| 08:51.12 | silvering | yea, but i waste your time, so thanks :) |
| 08:51.13 | falala | hi, i installed debian, and when it asked for network connections and dhcp, it said it couldn't find any, so i had to set it up manually. now, i have the network manager sitting there saying i have no connections - but here i am. is there any way to remove the network manager without removing the upper panel? |
| 08:51.19 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 08:52.14 | xro | michelem, it works great... my last question is about return code (ip 127.0.0.x)... Are they standard or depend on the bl? |
| 08:52.24 | Wyzard | falala: You can configure a static IP with networkmanager too |
| 08:53.02 | Wyzard | falala: but if you want to remove it, look in the "startup applications" control panel |
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| 08:54.21 | michelem | xro: there's no standard afair. Most are 127.0.0.0/8 for positive listing though. You may wanna check http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5782 |
| 08:54.39 | infinet | falala: if your network are brought up by /etc/network/interfaces, you can disable networkmanager entirely by rcconf |
| 08:55.02 | falala | Wyzard, it sees my network card, and says it's inactive, and it calls it eth1 instead of eth0. but im on eth0 now. |
| 08:55.32 | xro | michelem, thanks again... you save me a lot of time |
| 08:55.42 | falala | fragen wierd |
| 08:55.59 | Wyzard | falala: More likely, you have both eth0 and eth1 (two NICs on your motherboard) and NM is ignoring the one that's configured in /etc/network/interfaces, and only showing you the one that isn't |
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| 08:58.25 | wodar | hmm, what would be nowadays be the right way to change the keyboard layout for the complete system (console + X) |
| 08:58.31 | wodar | setupcon or keyboard-configuration |
| 08:58.38 | falala | Wyzard, i do know what you mean. ive done debian before, and it would always switch my network cards back and forth from 0 to 1, but this machine only has 1 ethernet adaptor built in. |
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| 08:59.02 | falala | and it one of the broadcom ones which might make a difference |
| 08:59.11 | Wyzard | falala: What does "ip link show" say? |
| 09:00.24 | falala | well the network manager says it's disconnected. |
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| 09:00.53 | Wyzard | I don't mean what the networkmanager applet shows, I mean run the command "ip link show" in a terminal |
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| 09:00.59 | falala | and when i go to edit connections, it says auto eth1 - last used never |
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| 09:01.58 | falala | ya mean ifconfig? lemme see |
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| 09:02.14 | Wyzard | No, I mean "ip link show" |
| 09:02.18 | Wyzard | assuming you have the iproute package installed |
| 09:02.44 | Wyzard | "ifconfig -a" would work too, but the "ip" tool is newer and more powerful so it's good to be familiar with it |
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| 09:03.07 | falala | hey thats a cool command! :P |
| 09:03.26 | Wyzard | yeah, it kinda sorta deprecates ifconfig |
| 09:03.37 | Wyzard | not really, because lots of things still use ifconfig, but it can do things ifconfig can't |
| 09:03.48 | Wyzard | like assigning multiple IPs to an interface without using aliases |
| 09:04.20 | Wyzard | It can change MAC addresses, IP addresses, routing tables, ARP entries, and some other things |
| 09:04.31 | wodar | hmm, okay, so it is coming to a show down between /etc/default/keyboard and /etc/default/console-setup |
| 09:04.55 | falala | well it shows etho as broadcast, and eth1 as no-carrier, broadcast, ... |
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| 09:05.04 | Wyzard | so you do have an eth1 |
| 09:05.27 | grand_grunt | Hi.. is this legal? http://www.qualivent.com/formation-petit-eolien |
| 09:05.27 | Wyzard | "no carrier" means there's no signal, e.g. no cable plugged into it |
| 09:05.42 | falala | no, and it has something called pan0 which i dunno what that is |
| 09:05.42 | grand_grunt | Seems they didn"t ask to use the logo |
| 09:05.43 | coughtail | Does anybody run debian on the sheevaplug or any other arm device? If so do all apps in the repos work or only some? |
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| 09:06.18 | Wyzard | pan0 is apparently related to Bluetooth networking |
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| 09:06.25 | Wyzard | "personal area network" I assume |
| 09:06.32 | wodar | would somebody give me a hint where i could get more specific information about which one of this two should be used? |
| 09:07.02 | falala | maybe if i delete every thing and rebooted, would it zeroconfig and set me back up? Probably not :P |
| 09:07.15 | Wyzard | but if "ip link show" shows both eth0 and eth1, you really do have two NICs in your machine |
| 09:07.16 | falala | i mean in network manager |
| 09:07.45 | Wyzard | It'd assign a link-local address, but that's not very useful |
| 09:07.59 | falala | well, it might be aliasing them that way, or bridging, but i sure dont see two on there |
| 09:08.00 | Wyzard | My suggestion was just that you configure your static IP via networkmanager instead of in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:08.30 | Wyzard | How about "lspci | grep Ethernet" ? |
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| 09:09.00 | falala | Ya, probably me setting it up manually when installing has it all screwed up/ |
| 09:09.16 | Wyzard | No, configuration doesn't make network interfaces appear out of nowhere |
| 09:09.27 | Wyzard | at least not eth* ones |
| 09:09.31 | Wyzard | They're created when drivers detect hardware |
| 09:10.15 | falala | well, it isn't even showing me eth0 in network manager, somethings jacked |
| 09:10.36 | Wyzard | The networkmanager applet ignores interfaces that are configured via /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:10.46 | Wyzard | which eth0 is, but eth1 isn't, so you only see eth1 in NM |
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| 09:11.23 | falala | Wyzard, it's probably because i have my friggin iphone plugged into it - gaaa |
| 09:11.55 | Wyzard | I'd be surprised if an iPhone created an Ethernet interface, but I've never used one so I don't know |
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| 09:12.29 | Wyzard | Try "ls -l /sys/class/net/eth1/device" and see where the link points to |
| 09:12.38 | falala | well, my desktop doesnt have bluetooth either, so thats probably what is going on. |
| 09:12.43 | kevinmoilar | hi. how do i use the fil-plugin i.e. how do i call up a sound equalizer from my shell? |
| 09:12.52 | srart | does anyone have a deb for i686-ms-sys-2.x? |
| 09:13.43 | srart | it's pulled from the repos and I can't build x86 on the amd64 machine (at least not this prog) |
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| 09:14.10 | guzu | hello all |
| 09:14.16 | jelly | ,versions ms-sys |
| 09:14.18 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'ms-sys' was found in i386. |
| 09:14.42 | jelly | srart: snapshot.debian.org ? |
| 09:15.02 | Wyzard | snapshot.debian.net, I think |
| 09:15.23 | jelly | Wyzard: don't think, verify. |
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| 09:15.36 | guzu | i have the "depends * but it is not going to be installed" problem. how can i resolve it? |
| 09:15.42 | Wyzard | hmm, I guess they moved it |
| 09:15.58 | Wyzard | It used to be a separate project, not actually part of debian.org |
| 09:17.17 | nsadmin | guzu, pastebin /etc/debian_version, /etc/apt/sources.list, output of apt-cache policy |
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| 09:17.27 | srart | thanks guys, snapshot had it. |
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| 09:18.02 | guzu | nsadmin, well, it's ubuntu, but since it's a apt problem, i'd thought i should ask the real ones |
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| 09:18.09 | cheater__ | hi |
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| 09:18.42 | guzu | nsadmin, also, it's about some custom packages (for a complete disclosure) |
| 09:18.56 | nsadmin | in ubuntu /etc/debian_version is irrelevent, but the people on #ubuntu would be happy to see the rest |
| 09:19.08 | cheater__ | in an ext3 fs, a single inode will always be made out of neighbouring blocks, right? or can an inode contain e.g. blocks 1001, 5164, 600067 ? |
| 09:19.09 | srart | guzu did you try force ? |
| 09:19.09 | Wyzard | guzu: That's not a problem like a bug in apt, it's a problem relating to the package repositories you're using |
| 09:19.23 | Wyzard | guzu: which are Ubuntu's and maybe others, not Debian's |
| 09:19.26 | guzu | srart, -f ? yes |
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| 09:19.42 | srart | --force-all |
| 09:19.52 | guzu | Wyzard, ok, so i should look in the repos (which are also custom) |
| 09:20.15 | guzu | srart, thank you, i'll try |
| 09:20.22 | Wyzard | You should look at why apt is unwilling to install that dependency |
| 09:20.45 | Wyzard | It may help to specifically ask apt to install it; then it'll give you other messages that say why it can't |
| 09:21.11 | Wyzard | It could be that it depends on some other package that doesn't exist, for example |
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| 09:21.26 | guzu | Wyzard, srart , nsadmin thank you very much. i'll try harder to understand what's going on |
| 09:22.02 | guzu | Wyzard, aptitude say they don't exist but they show up in policy and can be installed |
| 09:22.13 | guzu | so something somewhere may be out of sync |
| 09:22.38 | Wyzard | hmm, that's strange; aptitude and apt-cache use the same database afaik |
| 09:22.47 | nsadmin | guzu, probably some group of packages is not meant for the version of the os you have installed |
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| 09:23.47 | guzu | it looks like i have a dependency hell on maintainers side |
| 09:25.14 | lapsusbrutus | p2p = forward upstream what would this mean? |
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| 09:35.03 | srart | oh sad, right prog, wrong version, need at least 2.1.4, anyone with a ms-sys-2.1.4-i386.deb snapshot had 2.1.0, no win7 mbr stuff :-( |
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| 09:37.38 | khaije|minder | i'm trying to understand ipset (mainlined w/ the 2.6.39 kernel) is it like a hook to a memory location? (if not what is it?) |
| 09:38.26 | dubphil | Hello ! I've just upgrade from Lenny to squeeze, everything looks fine but the php5 extension mhash.so has disapeared, I have reinstall php5-common but it doesn't give it althought apt-get says that it relies to php5-common when I want to install php5-mhash, any idea how to resolve this ? |
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| 09:38.44 | srart | that is probably a better question to ask on #kernel |
| 09:39.27 | khaije|minder | oh, is it like a variable that can be used w/ iptables...? |
| 09:39.54 | khaije|minder | i'm re-reading now and it seems like thats what it is. Very nice actually |
| 09:41.37 | dubphil | ah I've found this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=595224 |
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| 09:44.35 | srart | khaije|minder: http://ipset.netfilter.org/ has good info on it if you didn't find it already. |
| 09:46.23 | wodar | in man ntp.conf is no mention of the restrict configuration setting within ntp.conf, shiped as default |
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| 09:46.46 | khaije|minder | srart: thats where i was just looking. it does clarify things though the sommand syntax is somewhat frightening |
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| 09:47.18 | wodar | could someone please check his daemon.log for entries like restrict: error in address '::' on line 39 Ignoring... |
| 09:47.35 | wodar | where it does not have to be line 39 |
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| 09:50.48 | jelly | wodar: can you show the complete line? Use a pastebin and show some context |
| 09:51.15 | srart | wodar: nothing showing here |
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| 09:51.54 | wodar | sure, will create a paste |
| 09:52.02 | jelly | wodar: you're doing the lenny->squeeze upgrade? |
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| 09:52.28 | wodar | jelly: more or less, it's an old testing to current testing upgrade |
| 09:52.36 | fasta | Is there a way I can lock my shell? |
| 09:52.37 | jelly | oh |
| 09:52.47 | jelly | "you're on your own pal ;-)" |
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| 09:52.59 | wodar | sadly the machine was not updated a long time, hmmm... damned :D |
| 09:53.01 | srart | fasta: logout |
| 09:53.09 | jelly | fasta: how are you logged in? |
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| 09:53.15 | jelly | fasta: console? X? |
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| 09:53.18 | fasta | jelly: remotely, ssh. |
| 09:53.30 | fasta | jelly: just terminal access. |
| 09:53.42 | jelly | fasta: then there's no point -- just log out |
| 09:53.49 | fasta | jelly: there is a point. |
| 09:53.55 | jelly | locking is for physical access |
| 09:53.59 | fasta | jelly: the time it takes to make the connection. |
| 09:54.16 | jelly | fasta: ok, there's no safe way to do that. |
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| 09:54.37 | fasta | jelly: ok |
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| 09:55.40 | jelly | fasta: if you use eg. screen you can use its lock capability but that won't save you from someone just closing the ssh app |
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| 09:56.23 | srart | fasta: why won't locking your local machine do what you need? |
| 09:56.24 | Linuxnewb | I think I have a simple question. If anyone has a minute, please /msg me. |
| 09:56.32 | jelly | Linuxnewb: ask in here. |
| 09:56.38 | jelly | !ask |
| 09:56.38 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 09:57.01 | Linuxnewb | I need to know the "update-alternative" "name" for whatever the image viewers are |
| 09:57.29 | Linuxnewb | Like where x-www-browser is the name for web browsers |
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| 09:58.23 | Linuxnewb | Googled, but I couldn't seem to find a list of just the names. Seems like just rehashing of the man page |
| 09:58.26 | srart | Linuxnewb: update-alternative --all and just hit enter till you see it. |
| 09:58.38 | Linuxnewb | I didn't know there was an -all option. Thanks! |
| 09:58.57 | srart | two - |
| 09:59.06 | Linuxnewb | Right. |
| 09:59.19 | Linuxnewb | Sorry. Name says it all. First day. |
| 09:59.22 | jelly | Linuxnewb: I don't think there is one. Perhaps your desktop environment obeys /etc/mailcap and /etc/mailcap.order (man mailcap.order) |
| 10:00.23 | Linuxnewb | Update-alternatives did not find an option for image viewers. |
| 10:00.29 | srart | anyone with an i386 version that [cw]ould mind building me a copy of http://ms-sys.sourceforge.net/ it's just run make and send me the bin amd64 won't let me build it. |
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| 10:01.15 | pif | hi, where can I get acroread? It's not installable under sid... |
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| 10:02.26 | fasta | pif: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search acroread is bound to find it |
| 10:02.43 | pif | ok! |
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| 10:03.32 | simonlnu | !dmm |
| 10:03.32 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 10:04.01 | simonlnu | pif: ^^^ you'll find it there. but use something like okular, evince-gtk instead |
| 10:04.24 | pif | thx |
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| 10:05.09 | Linuxnewb | Is it significant that I can't run the "Preferred Applications" choice in System? |
| 10:05.42 | Linuxnewb | (No such file or directory error, And it's not in /usr/bin) |
| 10:08.07 | srart | Linuxnewb: probably not, you're using gnome? System choice dialog sounds like one of their progs more than like a debian specific thing. |
| 10:08.48 | afuentes | I am trying to use fstab to mount a encfs directory like this -> /home/serverbackup/backup/ /home/afuentes/Dropbox/backup/ fuse uid=1001,gid=1001,allow_other 0 0 but I get "Permission denied". Can somebody help me figuring out whats wrong? |
| 10:08.58 | Linuxnewb | I actually just fixed it through the GUI, amazingly enough. |
| 10:09.12 | srart | sweet |
| 10:09.31 | Linuxnewb | Properties on the image, open with, and then the program I've been wanting to use. Seems to be the default for all .jpg files now |
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| 10:10.17 | Linuxnewb | Thanks for the help guys. This is the best Linux OS I've tried yet |
| 10:11.25 | srart | :-D |
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| 10:12.47 | v_v | afuentes: can you manually mount that ? maybe you can get more info. |
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| 10:16.15 | surf | hi my friend has a g62 laptop with installed win7 and he wants to dual boot with deb. The problem is that there are already 4 primary partitions: win7 - restore partition - boot and HP tools. What happens if I remove the hp tools one to install debian inside? I don't understand what is this partition made for... seems that there are options when booting to run some tests before the loading of the os so maybe this is what the partition does. What if I remove it? |
| 10:16.33 | afuentes | v_v, yup. I managed to mount it with this # encfs /home/kusanagi/Dropbox/backup/ /home/serverbackup/backup/ -o uid=1001,gid=1001,allow_other |
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| 10:17.04 | Japeeh | surf nothing happens since win 7 is in a different partition |
| 10:17.20 | Japeeh | well except you won't be using HP Tools any more :) |
| 10:17.28 | v_v | afuentes: can you mount it with command mount ? |
| 10:17.52 | v_v | afuentes: i guess fstab items are 'mount'ed |
| 10:17.56 | v_v | afuentes:) |
| 10:18.19 | afuentes | well, i haven't try, but i guess i can try |
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| 10:19.08 | surf | Japeeh, yes, it seems that it contains just a "recovery manager" function... |
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| 10:21.27 | afuentes | v_v, when i try to mount it with "mount" it says the same /bin/sh: /home/serverbackup/backup: Permission denied |
| 10:21.29 | afuentes | :S |
| 10:21.50 | v_v | afuentes: any messages ? like dmesg |tail ? |
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| 10:22.49 | surf | Japeeh, ok I will try to delete it and install my deb on that partitio |
| 10:23.07 | afuentes | nop v_v |
| 10:23.09 | afuentes | :S |
| 10:23.24 | v_v | afuentes: if you really need to mount that when booting , trying rc.local '/encfs /src /dest -o options'. of course that will great if you figer out the problem |
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| 10:24.42 | afuentes | v_v, i dont need to mount when booting, I tried to mount it with pam_mount, but it has to been run as root, not as user, so i dont know what to do |
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| 10:25.35 | cheater__ | in an ext3 fs, a single inode will always be made out of neighbouring blocks, right? or can an inode contain e.g. blocks 1001, 5164, 600067 ? |
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| 10:29.46 | oldirty | bump, that's a good question... |
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| 10:33.59 | v_v | afuentes: no idea :( not familiar with that |
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| 11:17.56 | thewanderer1 | cheater__: files can be fragmented, as far as I know |
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| 11:18.25 | flipp | http://www.omglolwtf.org/?aDgxOTE |
| 11:18.36 | flipp | :> |
| 11:18.40 | cheater__ | thanks thewanderer1 |
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| 11:19.35 | abrotman | flipp: go somewhere else |
| 11:20.06 | wols_ | cheater__: all general purpose filesystems fragment including ext3 |
| 11:20.47 | cheater__ | mhm |
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| 11:21.00 | cheater__ | i thought maybe a file could be spread across inodes.. |
| 11:21.16 | cheater__ | is always 1 inode = 1 file? or can an inode contain 2 files, or 1 file be across 2 inodes? |
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| 11:32.32 | innociv | how do I get just the php cli php.ini file from the repo to replace my current one? |
| 11:32.50 | webad_13 | I am having the following issue: at university login page is displayed to be able to connect to the network (cisco login page) - however, I am using w3m and only the fields to put username and password are present but not the Submit button (js is used)... is there any way around this while using the console (around I mean to show the sumbit button or to submit username and password, not to hack the network :) ) |
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| 11:34.52 | Bushmills | webad_13: try elinks, that one is supposed to support js |
| 11:35.27 | webad_13 | Bushmills: I tried lynx - is elinks better in terms of support for js? |
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| 11:36.04 | stew | innociv: its in /usr/share/php5/php.ini-production.cli |
| 11:36.21 | matias | does ftp.us.debian.net changed again? It's not available here anymore |
| 11:36.25 | innociv | Yeah I se.. i removed and installed |
| 11:36.56 | matias | err, I mean, did it change? I can remember I had the same problem with cdn.d.org :| |
| 11:37.06 | stew | matias: what ip address are you talking about? |
| 11:37.14 | ChrisMir | Hi, I would like to install all deps of a certain package, but not the package itself. I've looked into the manpages but couldn't find anything |
| 11:37.14 | stew | matias: and i assume you mean ftp.us.debian.org not .net |
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| 11:37.37 | stew | ChrisMir: aptitude install '~Rpackagename' |
| 11:37.39 | Bushmills | webad_13: i wasn't aware of lynx having js support |
| 11:38.06 | ChrisMir | stew: thx, I'll give it a try |
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| 11:38.23 | webad_13 | Bushmills: partial I think |
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| 11:38.31 | rwobben | hello |
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| 11:39.06 | rwobben | If I install Debian stable. Can I easily upgrade to testing ?? |
| 11:39.13 | matias | then it was .org... |
| 11:39.19 | matias | thank you stew |
| 11:39.53 | matias | but it's cdn.d.net, right? |
| 11:39.59 | Bushmills | webad_13: there seem to be no dependencies of lynx or lynx-cur on js libs. elinks depends on libmozjs2d which are the spidermonkey libs |
| 11:41.44 | stew | matias: yes (becuase the cdn is unofficial) |
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| 11:42.17 | themill | rwobben: yes it's possible, but if you have to ask how to do it, then you should perhaps ask yourself if you know enough about debian at this stage to handle the problems you will encounter. /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 11:42.17 | matias | PING cdn.debian.net (200.17.202.1) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 11:42.18 | matias | --- cdn.debian.net ping statistics --- |
| 11:42.18 | matias | 8 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 7055ms |
| 11:42.49 | matias | stew, what IP do you use instead? |
| 11:42.58 | Bushmills | 64 bytes from debian.morphium.info |
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| 11:44.49 | ChrisMir | matias: nslookup cdn.debian.net gives IP 195.241.77.98 here. DNS problem? |
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| 11:45.22 | stew | ChrisMir: no, its geodns, it gives different results for different locations |
| 11:45.31 | Bushmills | ChrisMir: there are multiple A records |
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| 11:45.43 | stew | matias: I use ftp.us.debian.org |
| 11:45.52 | stew | matias: or mirrors.kernel.org |
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| 11:46.22 | rwobben | themill , thanks for the help |
| 11:46.23 | matias | ok, I added it and I don't have problems now but even though I don't know how to fix a problem like this (if I can...) |
| 11:46.24 | stew | matias: i believe costela@debian.org is the person to email if this problem with 200.17.202.1 has been persistent |
| 11:46.36 | Benkinooby | hi there. i run a router. if the network cable is connected during boot, i'll receive a ipv4 and a ipv6 address. but if it is not connected during boot up, ifdown and ifup will only get me an ipv4 address. strangely ifdown and ifup is what the init scripts are doing. any ideas? |
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| 11:46.55 | matias | yes, I asked the same here a month ago or so and then I added ftp.us |
| 11:47.40 | stew | matias: then send email about it, the server probably should be removed |
| 11:47.49 | matias | ok, I will |
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| 11:48.34 | stew | looks like we have 2 other brazillian servers anyway |
| 11:48.43 | themill | I thought cdn.d.n was set up to automatically detect dead or out of date mirrors and deal with that straight away |
| 11:49.06 | stew | themill: that's what I thought as well |
| 11:49.26 | matias | should I provide any specific information besides the IP? |
| 11:49.41 | matias | (I'm writing him/her) |
| 11:49.49 | stew | matias: "it doesn't work" |
| 11:49.52 | matias | lol |
| 11:49.53 | matias | ok |
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| 11:53.21 | matias | done |
| 11:53.23 | matias | thank you guys |
| 11:53.33 | abrotman | !tell anton___ about root |
| 11:53.57 | stew | rooooot has landed |
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| 12:01.16 | deeLer | my cups pdf printer makes blank PDF's, any ideas ? |
| 12:01.51 | deeLer | although localhost - - [27/May/2011:13:56:36 +0200] "POST /printers/PDF HTTP/1.1" 200 407764 Print-Job successful-ok |
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| 12:06.02 | matias | I just noticed something/someone (maybe me but I can't remember) has is running some kind of server in port 8888, how can I list what process is listening in this port? |
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| 12:06.14 | matias | s/has// |
| 12:06.20 | abrotman | matias: fuser -n tcp 8888 |
| 12:06.23 | webad_13 | Bushmills: in links, how do I accept expired ssl certificate... it just displays an error and does not ask me to continue |
| 12:06.41 | Bushmills | no idea |
| 12:06.46 | matias | abrotman, empty output |
| 12:06.56 | matias | does it means none is listening in this port? |
| 12:07.39 | dawud | matias: netstat -an | grep -i 8888.*listen |
| 12:07.44 | dawud | matias: maybe udp? |
| 12:07.53 | matias | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:8888 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
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| 12:08.08 | deeLer | it's 0.0.0.0 not 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:08.18 | matias | I don't have idea, I just tried to start a HTTP server in this port and it says it's been used |
| 12:08.35 | Bushmills | add p to -an options |
| 12:08.58 | matias | the same plus "(Not all processes could be identified, non-owned process info will not be shown, you would have to be root to see it all.)" |
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| 12:09.03 | deeLer | try telnet on that port, see if u get something out of it |
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| 12:09.42 | dawud | matias: lsof -i -P | grep 8888 |
| 12:09.51 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:10.35 | dawud | TIMTOWTDI |
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| 12:12.32 | matias | I don't know if I'm doing it well but read this: |
| 12:12.41 | matias | matias@localnode:~$ telnet 127.0.0.1 8888 |
| 12:12.41 | matias | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 12:12.41 | matias | Connected to 127.0.0.1. |
| 12:13.26 | wols_ | matias: did you run "netstat -anp |grep 8888" as root? the "p" part is the important one |
| 12:13.34 | wols_ | it tells you PID and name of the binary |
| 12:13.35 | deeLer | type some things, any respone ? |
| 12:13.42 | dawud | matias: 0.0.0.0 means listening on all available ip |
| 12:14.04 | abrotman | and fuser -n tcp 8888 should show it |
| 12:14.08 | matias | yep, I did, here it is: |
| 12:14.15 | matias | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:8888 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1649/tinyproxy |
| 12:14.16 | matias | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:8888 127.0.0.1:59439 ESTABLISHED 1687/tinyproxy |
| 12:14.16 | matias | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:59439 127.0.0.1:8888 ESTABLISHED 6865/telnet |
| 12:14.29 | wols_ | so we know what it is. tinyproxy, a very small http proxy |
| 12:14.33 | deeLer | well there you have it |
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| 12:15.08 | wols_ | so did you every install tinyproxy and if not, where on your disk is it with what creation date? |
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| 12:15.52 | matias | I guess I installed it long time ago |
| 12:16.20 | wols_ | I suggest you uninstall or stop it again unless you really want to run an open proxy to the world (not a good idea..) |
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| 12:17.16 | matias | I'm removing it now, I really didn't know I was listening on that port. even though I'm almost sure my router doesn't accept any connection |
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| 12:18.17 | rhada1 | is it possible to run 32 bit packages on a 64 bit machine vps xen with just doing sudo apt-get install ia32-libs / |
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| 12:19.47 | matias | I still have things like this one: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:57677 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 974/rpc.statd |
| 12:20.01 | wols_ | rhada1: IF the 32bit libs the 32bit app needs are all present, yes. big if |
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| 12:20.17 | wols_ | matias: and? |
| 12:20.41 | matias | is it normal? I don't have idea what is rpc.statd |
| 12:21.08 | wols_ | it's infrastructure for RPC, mainly used for nfs and nis |
| 12:21.18 | wols_ | if you don't use either, you canre uninstall portmapper |
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| 12:21.44 | matias | I don't but I don't care, it's ok |
| 12:21.46 | matias | thank you all! |
| 12:23.10 | rhada1 | wols_: is there another way to do it sothat 32 bit packages can run? |
| 12:23.54 | wols_ | !multiarch |
| 12:23.54 | dpkg | [multiarch] http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html, or http://wiki.debian.org/MultiarchFosdem |
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| 12:27.47 | aibo | hello, I need rubygems to be installed, I've installed 'apt-get install rubygems' and tring to add some gems to my local system, but getting error: 'could not find gem <NAME> locally or in a repository' |
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| 12:28.06 | wodar | hi |
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| 12:28.23 | aibo | also I don't have any gems installed locally |
| 12:28.30 | wodar | anyone here using the nouveau xorg module? |
| 12:29.30 | wodar | especially with a custom kernel? |
| 12:29.37 | babilen | !anyone |
| 12:29.37 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 12:29.48 | rhada1 | many 32 bit packges will run on debian 64 bit but not all |
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| 12:32.30 | wodar | dpkg: loves regular expressions |
| 12:32.30 | dpkg | wodar: i haven't a clue |
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| 12:35.12 | wodar | nevermind, so I have a custom kernel, compiled from the kernel.org sources, and now it does not play nice with xorg nouveau |
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| 12:35.18 | wodar | but i don't get why |
| 12:36.14 | wodar | so, how are you doing it, and I know i should be able to just install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau and it would run, but it doesn't work like that... |
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| 12:37.37 | wols_ | wodar: is nouveau support compiled into your kernel? |
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| 12:37.59 | wodar | should be |
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| 12:38.20 | wodar | to be honest, i did not find the respective option |
| 12:38.42 | wols_ | why are you compiling a kernel in the first place? |
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| 12:38.59 | wodar | order from the boss, not my choice |
| 12:39.17 | wodar | is a grown structure |
| 12:39.26 | wols_ | your boss is a moron. signed: the interwebs |
| 12:39.29 | wols_ | you can tell him that :) |
| 12:39.48 | abrotman | wait .. i'm confused |
| 12:39.54 | abrotman | is it a server? workstation? |
| 12:40.08 | wodar | on the other hand the setup is working for lets say a few years |
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| 12:40.17 | wodar | it's a kind of image used for both |
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| 12:40.47 | wols_ | for a start you can "grep -i nouveau .config". should give you some pointers |
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| 12:41.37 | guzu | how do i list all available packages? |
| 12:41.48 | wodar | sweet, i will try that, but also i'm will convince him to use the shipped kernel |
| 12:41.55 | wols_ | guzu: all 30000 of them? |
| 12:41.58 | wodar | - 'm |
| 12:42.21 | abrotman | wodar: for the desktops at least, it would make more sense |
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| 12:42.53 | webad_13 | one more question - I am still trying to do the following. I would like to open a series of files with screen but I would like to give a title to each window so that I can easily identify them... so I am doing the following: find . -name "*.txt" -exec screen vim {} /; |
| 12:42.56 | guzu | wols_, yes |
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| 12:43.15 | webad_13 | now I would need screen -t option to give a title, but I don't know how to give a title automatically |
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| 12:44.01 | fuller | webad_13 use tmux, has configurable autonaming feature |
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| 12:44.31 | webad_13 | fuller: ah, u don't happen to know if screen has that too? |
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| 12:45.54 | fuller | webad_13 it does not - you'd have to build that logic into your wrapper - thou i cannot say which way is more time consuming |
| 12:47.04 | webad_13 | fuller: I c... :( |
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| 12:56.56 | wodar | yeah shipped debian kernel rocks :) |
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| 12:57.59 | guzu | hm |
| 12:58.16 | rgr | wodar: in what way does it rock? |
| 12:58.35 | guzu | i have two custom repos. i'd like to see the list of available packages in each of it, in order to find if there are any duplicates |
| 12:59.43 | rgr | wodar: if you want to match newer Linux kernels with the debian repos then I can recommend liquorix. |
| 13:00.12 | rgr | but clearly you need to judge each use case on their own merits. |
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| 13:04.43 | babilen | guzu: Use aptitude search fu and match on, for example, the origin of the packages. |
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| 13:05.41 | DammitJim | sweet! virtualbox-ose is on wheezy now! |
| 13:05.42 | babilen | guzu: Or whatever is applicable -- See http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html for a list of search terms |
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| 13:06.21 | DammitJim | I'm running AMD64 kernel... I guess it's ok to use virtualbox's x86 version, right? |
| 13:06.21 | guzu | babilen, i was thinking of commenting out each one in sources.list then aquire the list of all available packages, but in the end the lists were identical |
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| 13:12.07 | guzu | babilen, thank you very much |
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| 13:12.29 | babilen | guzu: No problem, found suitable search terms? |
| 13:12.46 | guzu | mmm, not yet |
| 13:14.26 | wodar | rgr: it's just working |
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| 13:14.52 | rgr | yes. I see.. |
| 13:15.05 | rgr | thats why its the shipped one ;) |
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| 13:15.42 | jon8 | Whats the latest stable kernel versoin for Squeeze? |
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| 13:16.42 | rudi_s | ,kernel |
| 13:16.43 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.39-1-686-pae (2.6.39-1); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-34squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 13:16.47 | rudi_s | jon8: ^ |
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| 13:24.28 | jon8 | linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 13:24.36 | jon8 | whats bpo.2 stand for? |
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| 13:24.53 | rudi_s | jon8: Backports. |
| 13:24.57 | rudi_s | !tell jon8 about backports |
| 13:25.05 | wols_ | and 2 for the 2nd kernel of that version |
| 13:25.27 | wols_ | just like squeeze uses 2.6.32-5 the 5th |
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| 13:27.35 | babilen | jon8: Also "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" |
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| 13:29.38 | jelly | jon8: if you're asking what does the text between "2.6.38-" and "-amd64" denote, /msg dpkg kernel abi |
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| 13:30.01 | jelly | also why is it not bdo these days <g> |
| 13:30.21 | jhambo | Hi folks. I want to ls some files that have spaces in the file names and then replace the spaces with "/ " so that I can feed the file names to another program. How would I do that? I tried something like `ls * | tr ' ' '\ ' but that doesn't seem to work... |
| 13:30.47 | jelly | dpkg, tell jhambo about parsing ls |
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| 13:31.31 | jelly | jhambo: basically you don't want to ls them, just use * instead, and smart quoting of parameters |
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| 13:33.14 | jhambo | jelly: I wanted to use grep for something like `ls * | grep foo | tr ' ' '\ '`. Guess I don't know what smart quoting is |
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| 13:33.45 | Wyzard | jhambo: find -iname "*foo*" -exec somecommand "{}" \; |
| 13:33.56 | jelly | jhambo: have you read the link that dpkg told you about? |
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| 13:34.03 | jham | urgh.. stop highlighting! my eyes! |
| 13:34.06 | Wyzard | or, probably, just: somecommand *foo* |
| 13:34.09 | jelly | !parsing ls |
| 13:34.10 | dpkg | Trying to manipulate the output of "ls" isn't a very good idea at all: the output varies when you change locales or even between different versions of coreutils (let alone between linux and other unices). The output of ls was never designed to be fed into other programs and if you have odd characters like spaces or newlines in your filenames then you will strike trouble. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs |
| 13:34.20 | jelly | !bash pitfalls |
| 13:34.20 | dpkg | Read about common sh/bash script mistakes at http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls or http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs |
| 13:34.59 | jelly | jham: fix your irc client! |
| 13:35.32 | jhambo | jelly: yah I read it. I see it's bad but that dpkg link doesn't really give an alternative |
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| 13:36.08 | jhambo | jelly: oops yah okay I see it now |
| 13:36.12 | jhambo | jelly: many thanks |
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| 14:02.08 | kaste | i just connected my phpmyadmin install on lenny to the mysql server (squeeze) and got a version mismatch for mysql. Nothing i didn't expect, except that squeeze has the older library. Is this to be expected/x86 vs emt64/wrong? |
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| 14:02.43 | Eulenspiegel69 | what would you prefer? a Core 2 Duo T7100 or a Core i3-380M ? |
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| 14:03.19 | wols_ | Eulenspiegel69: ##hardware |
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| 14:05.24 | Eulenspiegel69 | <wols_>: okay |
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| 14:08.21 | locum | mic dont work 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) |
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| 14:11.43 | Damien_Garrido | Using Gnome, in System -> Preference -> Network Proxy Preferences: Is it possible to set/change login/password for "Automatic Proxy Configuration URL" (applying System Wide or not) ? Where is this configuration stored ? Thanks for your help ! |
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| 14:12.21 | linis | my linode has got this problem of getting stuck every now and then, the websites on the linode wont load, the ssh and the winscp login fails. where should i start to dig out the problem ?? |
| 14:12.52 | wols_ | linis: logs |
| 14:13.11 | linis | wols: access logs ?? |
| 14:13.19 | wols_ | kernel logs, system logs |
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| 14:13.28 | wols_ | can't be access logs if you can't access it anymore, can it? |
| 14:13.30 | linis | wols: it works properly again once i reboot |
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| 14:14.05 | wols_ | duh! |
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| 14:15.48 | saxamo | Damien_Garrido, some google-fu reveals that Automatic proxy configuration seems to be system wide. It stores the proxy information in a PAC file, more information here |
| 14:15.57 | saxamo | http://library.gnome.org/users/user-guide/stable/prefs-networkproxy.html.en |
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| 14:16.50 | saxamo | So your browser fetches that file...now where is it stored by default.. |
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| 14:17.18 | lrojas | hi all |
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| 14:18.37 | lrojas | i am coming from ubuntu and i am a bit confused, to install the ssh server in ubuntu i issue the command apt-get install openssh-server openssh-client, the few things i seen in debian 6 sugest i just need to do apt-get install ssh -y |
| 14:18.58 | lrojas | can anybody explain the diference to me? i thought ubuntu and debian shared repositories |
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| 14:19.59 | thewanderer1 | lrojas: first, they don't share repositories - second, the command from Ubuntu works as well - Debian uses the same package names. ssh is just a metapackage for the client and the server, it seems. |
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| 14:20.34 | lrojas | thewanderer1: thanks |
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| 14:21.14 | thewanderer1 | note that some packages' names are different, so are versions, so better follow Debian-oriented tutorials unless you know how to translate "Ubuntese" to "Debianese" :P |
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| 14:26.14 | Steaven` | hi everyone ;) |
| 14:26.32 | saxamo | is there a debian repository from which i can install python3.2? Iḿ on lenny and it does not seem to be in the default repositories. I can provide my sources.list |
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| 14:26.39 | wodar | me again, currently my nouveau device driver don't like me to start it the first time |
| 14:26.50 | wodar | it will just throw up on the screen |
| 14:26.58 | bdn3504 | hey there, i need help with ftp over ssl |
| 14:27.20 | wodar | but, if after that i switch to a tty let's say 1 and back to xserver everything looks good |
| 14:27.23 | jelly-home | ,versions python3.2 |
| 14:27.24 | judd | Package python3.2 on i386 -- wheezy: 3.2-4; sid: 3.2.1~rc1-1 |
| 14:27.49 | dubphil | saxamo: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 14:27.53 | jelly-home | saxamo: you won't be able to get python3.2 from Debian or either lenny or the current Debian release. |
| 14:28.10 | jelly-home | for* lenny or the current Debian release |
| 14:28.13 | mastroDani | how do I transfer over ssh using tar gz compression in "pull"mode? --- ssh user@host 'tar czf - myRemoteDir' | tar xzf - -C someDir/ <--- give error and the reason is that the first command (ssh) give an empty stream |
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| 14:28.58 | saxamo | i see jelly-home, thank you i feared that was the answer. Would it work if I installed the package from an ubuntu repository? i would remove it after all is said and done to avoid future conflict |
| 14:28.59 | jelly-home | saxamo, dubphil: preferences won't help, python packaging doesn't lend itself well to backports or mixing releases |
| 14:29.02 | bdn3504 | I am using debian squeeze, with vsfpd 2.3.2 installed |
| 14:29.14 | jelly-home | saxamo: no, it definitely wouldn't |
| 14:29.30 | bdn3504 | i have already set up an apache server to make use of ssl with a self-signed certificate |
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| 14:29.37 | saxamo | I see. I attempted to compile python3.2 from source, but several tests failed |
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| 14:29.51 | jelly-home | saxamo: build from source, or create a wheezy or sid or ubuntu chroot environment |
| 14:29.53 | bdn3504 | now i want the ftp server to make use of that same certificate... which it does |
| 14:30.22 | jelly-home | saxamo: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 14:30.22 | saxamo | thanks for the advice jelly-home |
| 14:30.42 | bdn3504 | but when i try to connect to the server, the connection times out after authentication. the list command is not executed properly. |
| 14:31.05 | jelly-home | saxamo: perhaps also /msg dpkg schroot |
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| 14:32.06 | bdn3504 | here is a log of filezilla trying to connect to the server with explicit ftpoverssl: http://pastie.org/1981029 |
| 14:32.37 | saxamo | thanks again jelly-home ill look into these. |
| 14:33.09 | stew | bdn3504: is there a good reason to use ftp over ssl instead of sftp? |
| 14:33.58 | bdn3504 | i thought ftps might be slightly faster because the encryption is done on a lower OSI layer... |
| 14:34.33 | stew | eh? |
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| 14:35.11 | jelly-home | hits bdn3504 with a layer 8 issue |
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| 14:35.27 | bdn3504 | lol |
| 14:35.52 | stew | the encryption is done at the same layer, by the same library, and using either, the network bandwidth is going to be the limiting factor |
| 14:36.39 | bdn3504 | so is there no benefit for ftps over sftp? |
| 14:37.09 | foetus | depending on needs.. |
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| 14:38.05 | stew | foetus: what is a need that would make ftps advantageous? |
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| 14:39.42 | saxamo | can you try sftp if the client and server support it |
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| 14:41.32 | bdn3504 | the client is filezilla and it supports both implicit and explicit ftps. i used explicit ftps to connect to a vsftpd server. the server times out AFTER the authentication process has successfully taken place. |
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| 14:43.13 | afuentes | is there a way to get a feed of packages changing from experimental to sid? |
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| 14:44.39 | themill | afuentes: packages do not migrate from experimental to sid |
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| 14:45.18 | jelly-home | afuentes: sid gets newer uploads with increased version numbers |
| 14:45.31 | wols_ | themill: so they get into experimental and then they die there? |
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| 14:45.55 | wols_ | bdn3504: is the server behind a NAT router? |
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| 14:46.13 | bdn3504 | yes, the server is behind a router using nat |
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| 14:46.36 | wols_ | and your client is probably as well. |
| 14:46.40 | themill | wols_: what jelly said; packages that are superseded by a later upload to sid are removed semi-automatically. |
| 14:46.42 | wols_ | !tell bdn3504 about ftpmustdie |
| 14:47.06 | bdn3504 | i have forwarded the control and data ports for the ftp server for both ftp and ftps, |
| 14:47.21 | wols_ | themill: shows how much I know about it. I run sid for years now but never used experimental :) |
| 14:47.43 | bdn3504 | so 21 & 20 and 990 & 989 are forwarded to the server |
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| 14:49.43 | afuentes | cool, so is there a way to get a feed of packages entering in sid that were previously in experimental? |
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| 14:50.50 | linis | wols: my htop have 3 mysql processes with 97, 86, 77 cpu%, that seems to be the problem |
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| 14:51.26 | jelly-home | wols_: and yes they die there; the ones I use, kernel and xorg packages, often end up having leftover packages in exp. older than what's in unstable |
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| 15:09.27 | robos | hi: is there a command that i can use to see if swap is being actively hit? |
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| 15:09.46 | jordanm | robos: "top" |
| 15:09.55 | jordanm | iostat |
| 15:09.59 | robos | yeah, i do see those numbers jump in top |
| 15:10.03 | robos | iostat does it, hmm |
| 15:10.21 | jordanm | it should show if blocks are being written to your swap partition |
| 15:10.34 | robos | ah, that's a good point |
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| 15:10.38 | robos | ty |
| 15:10.40 | robos | that will work |
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| 15:11.47 | eda321 | hi someone can help me with installing openhantek from the sources |
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| 15:13.43 | eda321 | i have expirience in using ubuntu now i've changed to debian and i really don't know how i can compile the sources interminal |
| 15:13.52 | kqjvnksffg | Hi, i installed atlas (package libatlas3gf-base) on squeeze, the files provided are named libblas.so.3gf instead of libblas.so ; what does .3gf mean ? |
| 15:14.42 | eda321 | <a href="http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/3GF">3GF</a> |
| 15:14.43 | kqjvnksffg | How can i have a libblas.so ? It seems that a symlink does not work. |
| 15:15.46 | kqjvnksffg | eda321: i am not sure it is related to "Three Guineas Fund" ... |
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| 15:16.15 | stew | eda321: i would expect that compiling from source would be the same on debian as on ubuntu. is there something in particular you are having trouble with? |
| 15:16.36 | ujjain | what provides snmpwalk? |
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| 15:17.14 | stew | ujjain: the snmp package, but "/msg dpkg apt-file" to see how to answer this for yourself |
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| 15:18.14 | eda321 | stew: i am now in my user account in the specific directory where the sources are. what should i do now? |
| 15:18.53 | jhutchins_lt | eda321: less README |
| 15:19.13 | eda321 | yes of course only one sentende is in there |
| 15:19.33 | eda321 | sentence |
| 15:19.38 | stew | eda321: is there an INSTALL document? |
| 15:20.33 | eda321 | yes $ qmake |
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| 15:20.35 | eda321 | $ make |
| 15:20.37 | eda321 | $ make install |
| 15:20.47 | eda321 | but this does work |
| 15:20.51 | eda321 | not |
| 15:20.55 | wols_ | !enter |
| 15:20.56 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 15:20.59 | jhutchins_lt | !doesn't work |
| 15:20.59 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 15:21.39 | eda321 | !doesn't work qmake |
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| 15:22.17 | wols_ | eda321: you don't really get it, do you? you need to tell us exactly what happens, how it errors, etc. we are not clarivoyant |
| 15:22.22 | stew | eda321: you need to be more specific than "doesn't work". we need more information. show us a log of the commands you run and the output |
| 15:23.05 | eda321 | e@localhost:~/Downloads/openhantek$ qmake |
| 15:23.07 | eda321 | bash: qmake: Kommando nicht gefunden. (Command not found) |
| 15:23.27 | wols_ | eda321: then install it (in this case, qmake) |
| 15:23.36 | eda321 | oh ok :) |
| 15:24.07 | jhutchins_lt | !tell eda321 about localized errors |
| 15:24.10 | stew | eda321: is this software qt3 or qt4 |
| 15:24.37 | eda321 | QT4 |
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| 15:25.34 | stew | eda321: you'll want to install qt4-dev-tools and libqt4-dev |
| 15:26.10 | casualuser | hello everybody |
| 15:26.20 | casualuser | please suggest me a solution |
| 15:26.34 | eda321 | yes i also have to install FFTW3 but ther is only cl-fftw3 is this ok, too? |
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| 15:26.46 | casualuser | there is external usb drive with debian home folder |
| 15:27.02 | casualuser | system booted from ubuntu live cd |
| 15:27.18 | Doonz | Hello, Im having trouble with screen. Im trying to get a process to relaunch in an existing session. But i cant seem to get all the right cmds for it to do this. |
| 15:27.22 | jhutchins_lt | !ubuntu |
| 15:27.22 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 15:27.22 | casualuser | folder for user exists but files doesn't displayed |
| 15:27.26 | stew | eda321: no, that is for lisp. you probably want libfftw3-dev |
| 15:27.56 | casualuser | jhutchins_lt: question exactly debian related |
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| 15:28.10 | jhutchins_lt | casualuser: Not if you're booted from an ubuntu CD. |
| 15:28.41 | casualuser | jhutchins_lt: yes, if for one debian user home folder list files and for another not |
| 15:28.45 | wols_ | casualuser: why a ubuntu live cd doesn't display some data is not debian related |
| 15:29.06 | jhutchins_lt | !tell casualuser about live |
| 15:29.07 | wols_ | casualuser: most likely a permissions issue, e.g. a ubuntu issue, ask them |
| 15:29.16 | Doonz | Hello, Im having trouble with screen. Im trying to get a process to relaunch in an existing session. But i cant seem to get all the right cmds for it to do this. |
| 15:29.36 | wols_ | Doonz: we read it the first time. and the way you asked doesn't help |
| 15:30.15 | Doonz | wols_: how can i phrase it better? |
| 15:30.15 | casualuser | in most cases it doesn't matter wich distro used for live boot but the question is - why 1st user home folder lists files and 2nd not |
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| 15:31.21 | wols_ | Doonz: tell us what you exactly want, how you are trying to achieve it and how it goes pear shaped |
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| 15:31.47 | wols_ | casualuser: then don't ask in a debian channel for ubuntu help. please go to #ubuntu |
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| 15:33.07 | casualuser | wols_: debian live cd iso located at that folder... I can redownload it and write to disk and boot from it but what's the difference? |
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| 15:33.24 | Doonz | I have a program that craps out. I have a script that checks to make sure the program is running and if it is not it restarts it. The screen command that is in the script always creates a new screen session. im trying to get the screen command portion of the script to reuse the existing screen session to relaunch the program in. screen -d -m -S system top |
| 15:33.51 | casualuser | wols_: let we suppose that it's debian live cd but question is related to debian home folders |
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| 15:34.48 | eda321 | i can't install anything with the normal user account even sudo doesn't work can someone help me? |
| 15:34.59 | wols_ | casualuser: when you lie god kills a kitten. you are a kitten murderer |
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| 15:37.00 | joe6 | flash videos are not playing with iceweasel, though, youtube videos work. the flash videos just show a black screen. |
| 15:37.12 | joe6 | any flash plugin that I need? |
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| 15:37.21 | wols | !tell joe6 about flash |
| 15:37.28 | joe6 | is this what I need: flashplugin-nonfree |
| 15:37.34 | wols | yes |
| 15:37.47 | joe6 | wols, thanks |
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| 15:38.17 | wols_ | eda321: when you installed debian, it asked you for a root password. run "su" and then enter that password. then you are root and can install stuff. debian doesn't use sudo by default like ubuntu |
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| 15:38.52 | eda321 | ok thank you |
| 15:38.53 | wols | wow. nice lag there |
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| 15:39.38 | ZykoticK9 | eda321, FYI if you add your user account to the "sudo" group you'll be able to use the command |
| 15:39.59 | Meier | if i update the debconf db with debconf-set-selections for a given package how do i reconfigure the package with the new values afterwards. "dpkg-reconfigure -u package" always applies the previous values |
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| 15:44.07 | eda321 | much thx stew it works fine now |
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| 15:48.52 | webad_13 | I am in tty and when I issue env I have my TERM=linux, this causes problems when I want to run gnu screen on remote machine because it does not get correct value... what should I set TERM to with tset? |
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| 15:52.12 | bbd | webad_13: TERM=vt100 will definitely work |
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| 15:55.28 | webad_13 | bbd: absolutely right - it does, it also does if I set it to screen... are there any other options while we are at it? |
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| 16:16.13 | Japeeh | I booted debian in a single user mode so I could change the root password, but when I type in passwd and the new password it gives me authentatication token manipulation error |
| 16:16.21 | Japeeh | is there a way around this? |
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| 16:16.49 | tapple | is there a mount option for an ext3 fs so that all files have a certain owner/group id? I want file permissions and symlinks on the filesystem on my external hard disk, but don't want to have to change ownership of the files every time I move it to another computer |
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| 16:18.05 | tapple | or is there is a filesystem that would work better |
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| 16:19.54 | sKeiths | does anyone know what iceweasle is which is suggested when I try to install firefox? |
| 16:20.29 | Japeeh | iceweasel is a modified firefox |
| 16:20.39 | stew | sKeiths: its firefox renamed and with the non-free icons removed. debian isn't allowed to call it firefox |
| 16:20.39 | Japeeh | debian has issues with the name firefox |
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| 16:21.09 | sKeiths | okay. well thank you. ice weasel it is then :) |
| 16:21.15 | dondelelcaro | Japeeh: no, we have issues with the requirements that mozilla have for us to call it firefox |
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| 16:21.51 | dondelelcaro | sKeiths: the main difference is the logos and the name; it's almost exactly the same as firefox |
| 16:22.13 | dondelelcaro | (other differences are that we disable the automatic updates, reportback, and the build options are slightly different) |
| 16:22.25 | Japeeh | ah I see |
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| 16:22.40 | dondelelcaro | Japeeh: see /msg dpkg why iceweasel; if you want to know the complete set of details |
| 16:22.41 | sKeiths | oh dear, i already had it installed, just never new what it was. no need to install then |
| 16:22.53 | iluminator101 | whats the difference between iceweasel and icecat? |
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| 16:24.06 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: icecat has additional chagnes made to firefox; it's the GNU version of the same |
| 16:24.10 | dondelelcaro | iluminator101: see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ |
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| 16:26.02 | sKeiths | my mousewheel is not scrolling iceweasel, is this normal? |
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| 16:26.57 | dondelelcaro | sKeiths: no |
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| 16:27.31 | sKeiths | okay, probably something not configure properly with my mouse then |
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| 16:30.39 | stew | sKeiths: you might check with xev that the wheel is generating mouse button 4,5 events |
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| 16:33.30 | joe6 | i am trying to use a very old lcd monitor (15inch) with my computer - debian. In the normal mode, I get a blank screen with some rainbow lines in the middle. When I boot up in recovery mode, it gets to the "Give root password for maintenance (or type Control-D to continue): " . I tried both the root password and the Control-D, but it does not log in. I know that it is not the keyboard fault as I tried with a different keyboard too. |
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| 16:33.48 | sKeiths | Expose event, serial 33, synthetic NO, window 0x2400001, |
| 16:33.48 | sKeiths | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.03 | joe6 | any suggestions on how I can log in or what could be wrong. |
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| 16:34.17 | joe6 | I can ctl-alt-f2 to other blank terminals. |
| 16:34.22 | Pinchiukas | What backup solutions are there besides bacula? |
| 16:34.25 | stew | sKeiths: not that event, if you have that white window with the box focused and scroll the mouse, it should generate button events |
| 16:34.37 | sKeiths | hint 0 events |
| 16:34.52 | sKeiths | just the time updates. |
| 16:35.06 | wols | joe6: can you use the keyboard in grub? |
| 16:35.08 | sKeiths | when i click button it updates with a button |
| 16:35.42 | joe6 | wols: yes, |
| 16:35.58 | joe6 | wols: when i press enter, it asks for the prompt again. |
| 16:36.15 | wols | joe6: then use "init=/bin/bash" for a kernel parameter. |
| 16:36.15 | joe6 | wols: the numlock led lights up. I tried with a different keyboard. |
| 16:36.15 | brotherSand | joe6, boot into normal mode then ctrl-alt-f2 then log in as your usual user. |
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| 16:37.00 | sKeiths | stew, i think you were right, its not giving button 4 or button 5 events |
| 16:37.21 | joe6 | wols brotherSand , thanks |
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| 16:38.05 | brotherSand | joe6, you may have gdm running. Do an /etc/init.d/gdm stop (as root or sudo). |
| 16:38.07 | stew | sKeiths: i don't know what I'd really recommend from here. i was kind of hoping it would be doing something like generating button 9 and button 10 events or something else wacky that would be much easier to remap |
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| 16:38.55 | sKeiths | stew, i am following a webpage hint to the problem. if it starts giving me events 9 or 10 etc, i'll get back to you :) |
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| 16:39.41 | bencc | I'm trying to install erlang with checkinstall but getting an error: /usr/bin/install: cannot change permissions of `/usr/local/lib/erlang': No such file or directory |
| 16:39.56 | bencc | it works when installing with sudo make install |
| 16:40.08 | joe6 | wols, tried the keyword init=/bin/bash and it got me to the prompt |
| 16:40.15 | wols | bencc: did you try make install as normal user? |
| 16:40.38 | stew | bencc: why not just install the debian erlang package? |
| 16:40.40 | wols | joe6: so you need to disable framebuffer and kms I guess to get a picture |
| 16:40.56 | bencc | wols: why as a normal user? |
| 16:41.09 | bencc | wols: it should be "sudo make install" or "sudo checkinstall" |
| 16:41.18 | bencc | stew: too old |
| 16:41.27 | wols | ,versions erlang |
| 16:41.29 | judd | Package erlang on i386 -- lenny: 1:12.b.3-dfsg-4; squeeze: 1:14.a-dfsg-3; sid: 1:14.b.2-dfsg-3; wheezy: 1:14.b.2-dfsg-3 |
| 16:41.57 | stew | bencc: what version do you need? |
| 16:42.14 | bencc | stew: 14b3 but that's not what I asked |
| 16:42.30 | bencc | stew: I asked why checkinstall fails. I'm familiar with deb packages and repositories |
| 16:42.34 | sKeiths | stew. there hint worked :) add 'Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"' to mouse section of xorg.conf |
| 16:42.49 | jordanm | bencc: I would not expect checkinstall to work for anything complex |
| 16:42.57 | stew | sorry to bbother you... |
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| 16:43.09 | stew | sKeiths: cool |
| 16:43.23 | jordanm | bencc: if you need to distribute a package, I would recommend updating the existing debian one. If you only need a newer version on your workstation, I wouldn't bother packaging |
| 16:43.26 | sKeiths | i know. i can't do without scrollwheel |
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| 16:44.08 | bencc | jordanm: I need to install it and being able to remove and upgrade later |
| 16:44.19 | bencc | jordanm: it doesn't have make uninstall role |
| 16:44.57 | jordanm | bencc: then update the existing debian package with the new sources, or compile it to your homedir where it can easily be rm'ed |
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| 16:45.12 | jordanm | --prefix=$HOME/local or something |
| 16:45.56 | webad13 | how can one see the characters that are formed by a keypress - for exampe that ctrl+a is ^a... I'd like to display this in terminal if possible |
| 16:46.28 | bencc | jordanm: can I just replace the erlang source in the old package? will it just work? |
| 16:46.34 | stew | webad13: ctrl-v ctrl-a would show ^A, but I'm not sure if that is what you mean |
| 16:47.07 | bencc | jordanm: using "checkinstall --fstrans=no" works |
| 16:47.19 | bencc | jordanm: what's wrong with using checkinstall? |
| 16:47.28 | brotherSand | webad13, do you mean in a text file or just in general ? |
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| 16:48.18 | joe6 | wols, any suggestions on why the keyboard would not work with the recovery console? |
| 16:48.41 | webad13 | brotherSand: in general something line stew said... I need to figure out how to write ctrl+0 in readline |
| 16:48.46 | brotherSand | joe6, is the keyboard a usb keyboard? |
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| 16:48.55 | wols | joe6: not sure. anything that's loaded in rcS.d normally |
| 16:49.01 | joe6 | brotherSand: no, just a ps-2 keyboard. |
| 16:49.37 | webad13 | brotherSand: because \C-0 does not seem to work |
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| 16:50.39 | brotherSand | joe6, yeah, that's odd. PS/2 should work on recovery. Can you ssh into the box? |
| 16:51.05 | fuller | webad13 try showkey(1) |
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| 16:52.52 | jordanm | bencc: don't know, you can file a bug if you want |
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| 16:54.25 | webad13 | fuller: showkey gives a key number, is there a way to get characters for readline? |
| 16:54.27 | joe6 | i must have messed something with the keyboard settings. I know that I have swap controlkey with caps on in xorg config. when I log in with init=/bin/bash, I notice Ctl-x does not exit the nano editor. It says XON ignored, mumble mumble |
| 16:55.11 | bencc | jordanm: there is one. that's how I found out the fix |
| 16:55.33 | Meier | is there any way at all to automate dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 16:55.43 | wodar | any dirty tricks I could use to make the nouveau device driver more compatible with kde4 (i don't need some fancy animations) |
| 16:55.47 | brotherSand | webad13, in the terminal you usually do a ctrl-v prior to any other ctrl character to display it, like stew said. But I just tried it with zero and nothing really shows. |
| 16:56.16 | karlpinc_ | wodar: Turn down the bling? |
| 16:56.59 | joe6 | wodar, kernel parameter agp=off. without that, I could not boot into X. maybe different for you, though. |
| 16:57.07 | stew | Meier: i'm not sure if I understand what you want to do, but you can perhaps use debconf-set-selections and a non-intereactive debconf frontend |
| 16:57.08 | brotherSand | webad13, the same behavior works in vim though and ctrl-v ctrl-0 there yields a ^@ . In vim you can cursor to any character and hit ga to get its value. |
| 16:57.13 | carandraug | Hi! I was wondering if someone could give me a hand with apache. I have a file that apache is serving with no extension so it's served as plain text. So I used ForceType text/html on the <directory> context where the file is. But the file is still being served as plain text. Why's that? |
| 16:57.15 | jhutchins_lt | wodar: kde doesn't interact directly with the driver, it interacts with X. |
| 16:57.16 | wodar | joe6: X is no problem |
| 16:57.27 | jhutchins_lt | wodar: What particular problem are you having? |
| 16:58.04 | wodar | jhutchins_lt: if i want to logout or so, the screen is kind of unusable noise with artifacts and so on |
| 16:58.09 | wodar | i can boot |
| 16:58.10 | jhutchins_lt | carandraug: Does the file have proper html headers? |
| 16:58.11 | wodar | iin x |
| 16:58.13 | joe6 | is there something I can do on the terminal to see if Control-D is working fine? |
| 16:58.31 | karlpinc_ | joe6: cat - |
| 16:58.32 | wodar | i have already set the render from opengl to xrender |
| 16:59.00 | carandraug | jhutchins_lt, I think so. If I add the html extension it is served just fine and iceweasel shows no errors on the error console |
| 16:59.00 | karlpinc_ | joe6: Ctrl-D should terminate it. |
| 16:59.01 | joe6 | karlpinc_ |
| 16:59.11 | joe6 | karlpinc_, thanks that helped. |
| 16:59.15 | stew | wonders what an html header is |
| 16:59.20 | fuller | webad13 if 'showkey -a' doesnt give what you need, i probably didnt understand what your're after |
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| 16:59.45 | karlpinc_ | stew: One of those X rated sites no doubt. |
| 16:59.48 | joe6 | wols brotherSand , i had dvorak and was pressing the wrong keys, as a fyi.. |
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| 17:00.48 | brotherSand | joe6, Hehehehe. I use dvorak too, but only set it upon login to X session. Yeah, that can cause some confusion. |
| 17:00.51 | carandraug | jhutchins_lt, http://pastebin.com/PpFpnMnL <-- it's 15 lines long. And veen if there's an error there, shouldn't the fact that it's served correctly when the html extension is there, mean that it would also be served correctly when using ForceType? |
| 17:01.09 | Guest9756 | !flash |
| 17:01.09 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
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| 17:01.22 | webad13 | fuller: ah that was it - perfect thank you... turns out that ctrl+0 or 9 gives nothing, but alt works |
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| 17:01.53 | Guest9756 | !gnash |
| 17:01.53 | dpkg | Gnash is the GNU <Flash> movie player, developed from GPLFlash and part of the GNU project. The project aims to create a free software player and browser plugin. The browser plugins are packaged for Debian as mozilla-plugin-gnash and konqueror-plugin-gnash. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ #gnash on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:02.29 | salvin | what's the difference between "LD_PRELOAD=... script_bash" and to add the LD_PRELOAD in the head of script? |
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| 17:04.41 | Guest9756 | !swfdec |
| 17:04.41 | dpkg | Swfdec ("swiff deck") is a decoder/renderer for <Flash> animations, packaged as swfdec-gnome and swfdec-mozilla. Not actively developed, removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #571666. Ask me about <gnash>. |
| 17:04.52 | jordanm | !tell Guest9756 about msg the bot |
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| 17:07.35 | joe6 | which is the package that I should install to get the best testing kernel and to update it whenever the kernel is upgraded on testing? linux-image? |
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| 17:08.43 | stew | joe6: linux-image-$arch, where $arch is something like 686 or amd64 |
| 17:09.10 | joe6 | stew, is there some command that can print out my systems' arch? uname -a? |
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| 17:09.16 | Meier | stew: i want to achive what happens when you run dpkg-reconfigure on a package but noninteractive and a possibility to supply the parameter values, just like before insatll i can do it with preseeding |
| 17:09.47 | brotherSand | joe6, uname -r |
| 17:09.51 | stew | Meier: then yes, it sounds like you want debconf-set-selections |
| 17:10.03 | Meier | stew: but updating the values in the debconf db has no impact on dpkg-reconfigure as values from the actual configuration have a higher prio |
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| 17:10.26 | Meier | stew: ok debconf-set-selection and after that? |
| 17:10.51 | stew | Meier: dpkg-reconfigure but with the priority=critical and using non-interactive |
| 17:11.13 | stew | (I think) |
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| 17:12.10 | stew | Meier: maybe I didn't udnerstand what you mean by "from the actual configuration have a higher prio" |
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| 17:12.40 | joe6 | what does "pae" stand for in the kernel release name? |
| 17:12.56 | stew | !pae |
| 17:12.56 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension (PAE) is a x86 processor feature allowing more than 4 gigabytes of physical memory to be used. Linux supports PAE since 2.3.23 (up to 64 GB of memory on 32-bit systems). PAE is supported by the Intel Pentium Pro/II/III/4/4M/D, Xeon, Celeron, Core and Atom; AMD Geode NX, Athlon (K7), Duron, Opteron, Sempron, Turion and Phenom; Transmeta Efficeon; and VIA C7. Ask me about <bigmem>, <686-pae>. |
| 17:12.58 | pipeline | joe6: physical address extension. Support for >4G of RAM on 32 bit |
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| 17:13.25 | joe6 | stew: pipeline , thanks. |
| 17:14.13 | Meier | stew: i mean that dpkg-reconfigure does not use the values from the db but the actually configured values from the config file its editing |
| 17:14.53 | stew | Meier: wait, what config file? |
| 17:15.23 | Meier | stew: /etc/default/someconfig from the package, the one debconf creates |
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| 17:16.06 | Guest9756 | someone can help me solving problems with flashplayer? |
| 17:16.19 | stew | Meier: no, i don't belive this is the case. can we look at a concrete example? |
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| 17:16.39 | wols | Guest9756: ask your real question |
| 17:17.21 | Meier | stew: xymon-client installed with preseed file, debconf generates /etc/default/xymon-client |
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| 17:17.30 | joe6 | i know that I am on a amd chip, but am not sure if it is an amd64. is it ok to install linux-image-amd64? |
| 17:17.38 | Guest9756 | i want to watch youtube videos but nothing works |
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| 17:17.50 | joe6 | it is a > 2.7 ghz chip.. |
| 17:18.24 | joe6 | Guest19756: have you installed the flash package? if not, have you checked out youtube-dl? |
| 17:18.29 | Meier | stew: then i use debconf-set-selection to update hobbit-client/HOBBITSERVERS. debconf-set-selection shows the db was updated. then run debconf and see that the previous value will be set |
| 17:18.41 | isbric | i got a problem, i get error while debian tryes to populate /dev on boot, it seams like im running out of inodes. |
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| 17:18.53 | isbric | how can i fix this? |
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| 17:19.21 | joe6 | Guest19756 aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:20.00 | Guest9756 | i don't have flash installed i've tried gnash out but nothing worked, too |
| 17:20.33 | joe6 | oh, so, you are having issues with installation? apt issues? |
| 17:20.37 | jhutchins_lt | !tell Guest9756 about adobe flash |
| 17:20.44 | stew | Meier: have a look at the actual script: /var/lib/dpkg/info/xymon-client.config ; there is not going to be a way of overriding this in this case short of removing the config file |
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| 17:21.15 | stew | Meier: and that's certainly not going to be a universal solution |
| 17:21.25 | jhutchins_lt | Guest9756: gnash is a nice idea but it's usually far enough behind Adobe that not much will play except fairly old sites. |
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| 17:22.09 | Meier | stew: i thougt so. actuall i did implement it with sed + update debconf |
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| 17:22.34 | isbric | is it posible to add more inodes to a partition? |
| 17:22.41 | jhutchins_lt | Whyou would you use debconf instead of template config files anyway? |
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| 17:23.01 | jhutchins_lt | Isn't the whole point of debconf to be interactive? |
| 17:23.03 | karlpinc_ | isbric: You add inodes to a filesystem. Yes, but it depends on the filesystem. Not all of them allow this. |
| 17:23.17 | narada | my free disk space is gone on / partition. tried to search files >1mb size, but foun only 2 gb total. df shows 9.4gb is in use. |
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| 17:23.37 | isbric | karlpinc_: so where do i start? |
| 17:23.50 | karlpinc_ | narada: It's probably logs. You can also do an "aptitude clean" to clear the apt cache in /var. |
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| 17:23.56 | narada | done |
| 17:23.57 | stew | narada: try "du -kx / | sort -rn | less" |
| 17:24.00 | jhutchins_lt | isbric: Read the documentation for your filesystem. |
| 17:24.04 | Meier | stew: a little sad that you can automate debconf for initial installs but not for reconfiguration, unless you write seomthing with Debian::Config of course |
| 17:24.07 | Guest9756 | i have added the sources but nothing fount named flashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:24.23 | Guest9756 | found |
| 17:24.35 | isbric | jhutchins_lt: tmpfs is a filesystem= |
| 17:24.37 | isbric | ?* |
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| 17:24.45 | wols | Guest9756: what is your sources.list line for it? |
| 17:24.46 | joe6 | what is your sources.list? |
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| 17:25.26 | Guest9756 | where is it? |
| 17:25.28 | jhutchins_lt | isbric: If you're running out of space the real solution is to add more space. |
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| 17:25.41 | stew | Guest9756: flashplugin-nonfree is in the contrib repositories |
| 17:25.46 | jhutchins_lt | Guest9756: Did you run aptitude update? |
| 17:25.58 | joe6 | Guest19756: http://pastebin.com/3AF7CxGD /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:26.09 | isbric | jhutchins_lt: im only running out of inodes, there is lots of space left. |
| 17:26.11 | Guest9756 | yes aptitude removed the gnash packages |
| 17:26.14 | JordiGH | Something weird is going on. Neither touchpad nor USB mouse are registering X events, and I can't alt-tab to switch Windows with compiz or any other wm, but both the alt and the tab keys are working in Emacs. |
| 17:26.33 | jhutchins_lt | isbric: Why are you running out of inodes? |
| 17:26.38 | Guest9756 | i've added contrib nothing found with synaptic |
| 17:26.45 | karlpinc_ | isbric: What filesystem type? |
| 17:26.47 | wols | jhutchins_lt: usually it'c cause there are too many files... |
| 17:26.49 | stew | Guest9756: uh, you probably don't want to use joe6's sources.list |
| 17:26.51 | joe6 | Guest19756: /etc/apt/preferences http://pastebin.com/respZQjc |
| 17:26.58 | stew | joe6: stop, please |
| 17:27.12 | isbric | http://pastebin.com/89gS9SLN |
| 17:27.35 | stew | joe6: you really shouldn't be telling other people to try to mix stable/testing/unstable like that, especially people that aren't that familiar with debian |
| 17:27.47 | isbric | output of df -Ti |
| 17:27.47 | joe6 | stew, oh, ok. |
| 17:29.31 | isbric | any ides? |
| 17:29.50 | isbric | im use to lvm so i dont realy know much about this stuff |
| 17:29.59 | stew | isbric: uh, which filesystem are you concerned with? |
| 17:30.10 | stew | isbric: you said /, but it's not low on inodes |
| 17:30.14 | jhutchins_lt | Yet another reason to avoid lvm. |
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| 17:30.30 | stew | jhutchins_lt: uh? what is a reason to avoid lvm? |
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| 17:31.19 | isbric | i have no problem with lvm what so ever. problem being i dont know what this system uses, here is my output from df -Ti wich might tell you ppl somthing -> http://pastebin.com/89gS9SLN |
| 17:31.33 | stew | isbric: what is the actual problem you are trying to solve? |
| 17:32.06 | isbric | stew: on boot, i get error while it tryes to populate /dev |
| 17:32.08 | isbric | udevd-event[1607]: udev_node_mknod: mknod(/dev/ttyzc, 020660, (3,172) failed: No space left on device |
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| 17:32.14 | isbric | lods of them |
| 17:32.29 | stew | isbric: what version of udev is this? |
| 17:32.39 | isbric | let me check |
| 17:33.07 | isbric | 0.125-7+lenny3 |
| 17:33.10 | Justin | isbric: how much ram does this system have? |
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| 17:34.17 | isbric | Justin: 32M |
| 17:34.22 | isbric | at most |
| 17:34.23 | stew | aha |
| 17:34.25 | Justin | thought so |
| 17:34.39 | Justin | you seem to have a lot of device entries, and not a lot of tmpfs space |
| 17:34.49 | isbric | i just did some upgrading via apt and got this problem after that |
| 17:35.01 | Justin | udev tmpfs 8216 888 7328 11% /dev |
| 17:35.05 | Justin | is one of my 64M vms |
| 17:35.14 | isbric | is tmpfs in ram? |
| 17:35.16 | Justin | yes |
| 17:35.18 | stew | yes |
| 17:35.26 | isbric | and why would anyone whant it to be in ram? |
| 17:35.34 | JordiGH | Hm, if xev isn't registering mouse events when I mouse over the window but the mouse pointer is in fact moving.... wtf is going on, then? |
| 17:35.49 | Justin | isbric: performance |
| 17:35.50 | isbric | i would like to use my disk for this :P g++ is trugeling as is |
| 17:35.56 | stew | JordiGH: its not focussed? |
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| 17:36.08 | JordiGH | The wm certainly thinks it's focussed. |
| 17:36.33 | JordiGH | I wish I knew how to trigger this; it seems to happen unpredictably. :-( |
| 17:36.40 | JordiGH | The only way I know how to fix it is to restart X. |
| 17:36.42 | isbric | ok so 2 posible solutions, add more inodes to this tmpfs or change from tmpfs? |
| 17:36.57 | JordiGH | Can't alt-tab, can't click on anything... |
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| 17:37.34 | Justin | isbric: according to the init script you can change the tmpfs size in /etc/udev/udev.conf |
| 17:37.45 | JordiGH | However, the keys are working. |
| 17:37.51 | Justin | but the default is 10M, I wonder if you dont have 10M free |
| 17:37.56 | JordiGH | Well, I don't know if clicking works, but alt and tab are working. |
| 17:38.38 | Justin | JordiGH: did something open a password prompt window or something? |
| 17:38.47 | isbric | Justin: 10M out of 32M is alot :/ |
| 17:38.54 | Justin | isbric: 32M is not a lot :) |
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| 17:39.03 | JordiGH | Justin: No, I don't think so... |
| 17:39.11 | JordiGH | But I do suspect some non-free crap is afoot. |
| 17:39.18 | JordiGH | Hm, I wonder if it's Java. |
| 17:39.22 | isbric | darn thing is that i dont realy use the space, only need some more inodes. |
| 17:39.26 | JordiGH | There's a Java app that's supposed to be running in the background. |
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| 17:39.45 | jhutchins_lt | isbric: Is this a special device of some kind? |
| 17:39.46 | stew | JordiGH: like someone is calling XGrabPointer and never giving it back |
| 17:39.51 | isbric | udev tmpfs 10240 2108 8132 21% /dev |
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| 17:41.00 | isbric | jhutchins_lt: its a arm board, 200MHz 32M ram, 8M EPROM |
| 17:41.10 | stew | JordiGH: perhaps start killing x clients until your mouse starts working again? then you know the culprit? |
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| 17:41.24 | JordiGH | stew: Alright, let's try that. |
| 17:41.26 | isbric | rather small power consumtion for one of my aplications. |
| 17:41.38 | jhutchins_lt | isbric: Why is it trying to create so many devices? |
| 17:41.45 | JordiGH | Btw, how do you switch ctrl and capslock in ttys? |
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| 17:42.08 | isbric | jhutchins_lt: i have no clue, might have somthing to do with my upgrade |
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| 17:42.16 | joe6 | JordiGH: there is an option in /etc/default/keyboard that can do that. |
| 17:44.05 | JordiGH | joe6: Where's the manpage? |
| 17:44.07 | stew | JordiGH: i use the emacs2 kmap which has them that way (but you might not want qwerty, no idea) |
| 17:44.28 | JordiGH | qwerty + Emacs + US layout = <3 |
| 17:44.47 | isbric | jhutchins_lt: is there any way to restrain the amout of ttys it tryes to create? |
| 17:44.57 | joe6 | JordiGH: add this to /etc/default/keyboard: XKBOPTIONS="ctrl:swapcaps" |
| 17:45.11 | jhutchins_lt | isbric: Yes, mine creates two. |
| 17:45.13 | stew | wait, I thought we were talking about console |
| 17:45.55 | JordiGH | joe6: Thanks. |
| 17:46.05 | isbric | jhutchins_lt: configurable at? somwhere in /etc/udev/rules.d/? |
| 17:46.10 | stew | JordiGH: do you mean in X or in console? |
| 17:46.19 | JordiGH | In ttys. |
| 17:46.36 | stew | XKBOPTIONS is for X |
| 17:46.44 | JordiGH | works for ttys, mate. |
| 17:46.45 | jhutchins_lt | isbric: udev is going to configure things in response to hardware found. |
| 17:47.03 | JordiGH | Alright, now how do I figure out which processes are X clients? |
| 17:47.12 | Justin | JordiGH: xlsclients |
| 17:47.14 | jhutchins_lt | isbric: /etc/inittab is where you can change the default of six tty's. |
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| 17:47.27 | isbric | i doubt i got 100 devices connected to ttys? |
| 17:47.49 | jhutchins_lt | isbric: Yes, I'm not sure what causes it to generate all those devices... |
| 17:48.22 | jhutchins_lt | isbric: Mine creates 69, and I don't know the reason for it. |
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| 17:48.48 | JordiGH | Hm, and how do I figure out the PID that created that window "unknown"? |
| 17:49.48 | jhutchins_lt | isbric: I think what that does is provide resources for 69 virtual connections from ssh or whatever. |
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| 17:51.33 | jhutchins_lt | !arm |
| 17:51.33 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at Debian 5.0 with official support dropped at Debian 6.0, ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:51.46 | jhutchins_lt | isbric: Perhaps you could find some help there? |
| 17:53.57 | isbric | jhutchins_lt: ill try |
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| 17:54.08 | stew | its not really an arm specific problem |
| 17:54.21 | isbric | started looking at maximum clients on ssh server and dhcp server configs. |
| 17:54.23 | JordiGH | I have a mystery xclient! |
| 17:54.30 | stew | isbric: you are trying to run with half of what debian stats is the minimum required amount of ram, |
| 17:54.31 | JordiGH | xlslist has no information about it, other than a window id. |
| 17:54.57 | JordiGH | Er, xlsclients |
| 17:55.40 | isbric | stew: yet it did work like a charm until i tryed to upgrade iptables :/ |
| 17:56.12 | stew | isbric: you tried to upgrade it to what? |
| 17:57.25 | isbric | later version, i had trubble setting up my dhcpserver on this device. |
| 17:57.36 | stew | isbric: to what version? |
| 17:57.40 | stew | isbric: did you change kernels? |
| 17:58.17 | isbric | no kernel change. |
| 17:58.53 | isbric | ii iptables 1.4.2-6 administration tools for packet filtering an |
| 17:59.23 | isbric | i thonk these are new under /dev ptya0 what is that? |
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| 17:59.45 | JordiGH | gives up, restarts X. |
| 18:00.04 | tucs | gl JordiGH |
| 18:00.10 | JordiGH | OpenGL? |
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| 18:00.55 | stew | isbric: perhaps you should consider trying to ditch udev if that is at all possible. what is this machine used for? |
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| 18:01.32 | isbric | its supose to run som kalman filters on a UAV im working on |
| 18:01.46 | stew | don't know what any of that is |
| 18:02.24 | isbric | kaman filter is a sensor reading fusion thing, UAV is a short term of a unmanned robot. |
| 18:02.53 | isbric | im using a GadgetPC to do the heavy calculations for a robot of mine. |
| 18:04.20 | stew | well, you could probably do without udev, but then you are going to probably need a custom kernel so that you can boot without an inirtd, or you'd be hand crafting an initrd |
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| 18:08.12 | dondelelcaro | UAV means unmanned aerial vehicle... |
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| 18:08.41 | evilmanu | hi all |
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| 18:11.42 | evilmanu | I have a problem with my external HDD ext4. I cannot mount it with privileges write for user. I'm usig debian squeeze 2.6.32-5 |
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| 18:12.57 | evilmanu | I need to mount it "permanently" on fstab |
| 18:13.03 | dvs | evilmanu: Mount it with the "rw" option? |
| 18:13.10 | stew | (which is default) |
| 18:13.18 | evilmanu | tried, but nothing |
| 18:13.32 | stew | evilmanu: what do you mean "nothing"? are you getting an error? |
| 18:13.34 | jhutchins_lt | stew: You're right it's not an ARM related problem, but it could be a common one for arm users. |
| 18:13.50 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Any idea about the why and how of 69 tty devices/ |
| 18:13.51 | jhutchins_lt | ? |
| 18:14.01 | evilmanu | I mean cannot write as user |
| 18:14.07 | stew | jhutchins_lt: you have 69 things attached to ttys |
| 18:14.35 | isbric | where is makedev configuration located? |
| 18:14.38 | jhutchins_lt | stew: I really don't think I do. |
| 18:14.52 | stew | jhutchins_lt: if you create a new xterm, does it change from 69 to 70? |
| 18:15.08 | stew | isbric: do you mean udev? /etc/udev |
| 18:15.09 | jhutchins_lt | Lessee. |
| 18:15.20 | jhutchins_lt | Nope. |
| 18:15.31 | stew | evilmanu: what are the permissions and who is the owner of the file/directory you cannot write to |
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| 18:15.37 | stew | jhutchins_lt: what files are you talking about? |
| 18:15.39 | isbric | stew: doesnt udev use mkdev to create the devices? |
| 18:15.52 | jhutchins_lt | stew: /dev/tty* |
| 18:16.07 | stew | isbric: it would use mknod(2) |
| 18:16.14 | evilmanu | is mounted on /mnt... if mount ext3 hdd have no problem to write as user |
| 18:16.28 | stew | oh, i thought you mean /dev/pts |
| 18:17.08 | isbric | stew: so udev is the thing i realy need to configure? |
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| 18:17.21 | stew | evilmanu: both ext3 and ext4 use standard unix permissions |
| 18:17.51 | stew | evilmanu: so the difference is that whatever file or folder you are writing to on the ext3 filesystem you have permission to write to, but on the ext4 file/directory you don't have permissions |
| 18:18.07 | stew | evilmanu: see http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 18:19.01 | evilmanu | at the moment is mounted in fstab as /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb ext4 rw,user,exec,umask=000 0 0 (last config tried) |
| 18:19.09 | WormFood | ownership and permission issues are the most common "problems" you'll run into |
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| 18:21.41 | stew | isbric: it looks like udev at least links /sbin/MAKEDEV to /dev/MAKEDEV, its perhaps using that to bootstrap /dev |
| 18:21.51 | stew | isbric: you could alter this script to create fewer ttys perhaps |
| 18:22.10 | isbric | yes if i knew where its located. |
| 18:22.25 | stew | isbric: its not where I said? |
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| 18:23.37 | isbric | yes it whas, thx |
| 18:23.45 | stew | isbric: there is a MAXVT variable |
| 18:23.56 | robos | hi: is there a way to see how much is being used in total linux cache (fs, disk, cpu?) Or is that what the number that top gives? |
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| 18:24.49 | isbric | stew: any ide of what to change? |
| 18:26.07 | stew | isbric: my recommendation would be to change the amount of ram in your machine |
| 18:26.49 | karlpinc_ | isbric: Or check out emdebian. |
| 18:26.56 | karlpinc_ | !tell isbric about emdebian |
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| 18:27.15 | wols | robos: cpu cache? |
| 18:27.35 | wols | and what's the difference between fs and disk cache? |
| 18:27.38 | stew | isbric: you could try lowering the number of ttys udev is creating. you could try to see if you could somehow script udev to create device nodes on the hd (but then you'd have to clean up after it) |
| 18:28.04 | stew | isbric: you could try to ditch udev (by creating a custom kernel that doesn't need modules to boot), if you aren't using software depending on udev |
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| 18:29.49 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Where would you configure udev to create fewer terminals? |
| 18:29.49 | isbric | stew: do you know where i sould configure udev to create fewer ttys/ptys* |
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| 18:30.16 | stew | jhutchins_lt: i'd try the MAXVT variable in /sbin/MAKEDEV |
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| 18:31.00 | pivotable | hi |
| 18:31.06 | pivotable | is there a java chan? |
| 18:31.11 | pivotable | why can't i send to it? |
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| 18:31.20 | isbric | so now its just a question of how low dare i go in this variable :P |
| 18:31.54 | pivotable | need java help |
| 18:31.56 | tux0 | pivotable maybe it requires a registered nick? |
| 18:32.03 | pivotable | oh thx |
| 18:32.07 | stew | pivotable: it probably requires you to be registered with nickserv, you should try #freenode for general help or help with the network |
| 18:32.12 | robokop | pivotable: /msg NickServ help |
| 18:32.19 | pivotable | thanks ! |
| 18:32.25 | tux0 | pivotable check the server messages to see what happens when you try to /join |
| 18:32.47 | robos | wols, i guess just cpu and fs cache :-) |
| 18:32.56 | Bushmills | pivotable: yes, there is a java channel. there must be one, because you can't send to it. |
| 18:32.57 | tux0 | jhutchins_lt /etc/inittab ? |
| 18:33.04 | tux0 | isbric /etc/inittab |
| 18:33.24 | isbric | tux0: what parameter would that be? |
| 18:33.30 | jhutchins_lt | stew: I don't seem to have a MAKEDEV in sbin, and the on in /dev is binary (squeeze). |
| 18:33.33 | wols | robos: there is no way to find out about cpu cache usage |
| 18:33.56 | jhutchins_lt | tux0: We're talking about the ~69 /dev/tty* devices. |
| 18:33.57 | wols | robos: simple "free" tells you about cache |
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| 18:34.19 | jhutchins_lt | checks a lenny box... |
| 18:34.52 | robos | okay, ty wols |
| 18:35.04 | jhutchins_lt | lenny does have a manpage for MAKEDEV> |
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| 18:35.13 | stew | so does squeeze, wheezy, sid |
| 18:35.51 | stew | i don't know what udev does when you don't have /sbin/MAKEDEV |
| 18:36.06 | isbric | stew: changing it to 23 didnt work :/ |
| 18:36.07 | wols | makedev isn't installed by default anymore? IIRC I didn't have it in my default install |
| 18:36.13 | stew | and like I said, i don't know if it uses it. but it seems like it might, since it symlinks it there if it exists in /sbin/ |
| 18:36.31 | stew | Priority: extra |
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| 18:36.58 | jhutchins_lt | stew: No MAKEDEV manpage on my squeeze. |
| 18:37.01 | wols | it obviously doesn't use it when it's not installed :) |
| 18:37.06 | stew | jhutchins_lt: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 18:37.55 | jhutchins_lt | Hm. Not installed. |
| 18:38.35 | wols | jhutchins_lt: install "makedev" |
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| 18:39.23 | jhutchins_lt | Hm. .udevdb or .udev presence implies active udev. Aborting MAKEDEV invocation. |
| 18:39.33 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, I think I understand that. |
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| 18:40.23 | Lesterwood | hi guys |
| 18:40.28 | Lesterwood | should i go for testing or stable |
| 18:40.33 | Lesterwood | in otherwords, how stable is stable |
| 18:40.35 | stew | Lesterwood: stable |
| 18:40.39 | Lesterwood | and how outdated is testing |
| 18:40.47 | Lesterwood | stew: how is the hardware support |
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| 18:40.59 | Lesterwood | will it handle my USB3.0 shit |
| 18:41.10 | Lesterwood | how about my i72600k speedstep |
| 18:41.12 | jhutchins_lt | So the makedev package is the control/customization and documentation for MAKEDEV. |
| 18:41.15 | stew | Lesterwood: it uses a 2.6.32 kernel |
| 18:41.21 | stew | Lesterwood: i don't know what that stuff is |
| 18:41.22 | Lesterwood | ahhh... |
| 18:41.33 | isbric | stew: udev uses /sbin/MAKEDEV, i just made it not include my console terminal :P |
| 18:41.35 | Lesterwood | ill check the 2.6.32 kernel documentation |
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| 18:41.56 | wols | Lesterwood: iirc hd graphics is a problem in stable |
| 18:42.02 | dvs | Lesterwood: I use USB 3.0 with Debian 6.0 and it works fine. |
| 18:42.31 | jhutchins_lt | Can we assume that the udev system respects MAKEDEV configuration, since it replaces it? |
| 18:43.05 | wols | dvs: but it depends which of the various usb3 chips you use, no? |
| 18:43.37 | Lesterwood | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 18:43.40 | dvs | wols: I guess so. I thought the NEC chip was almost everywhere. |
| 18:43.41 | Lesterwood | somoene explain this to me |
| 18:43.46 | Lesterwood | which disk should i download |
| 18:44.14 | wols | Lesterwood: disk1 or netinst, depending how you access the internet |
| 18:44.44 | isbric | stew: any other guesses i could try?= |
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| 18:45.10 | jhutchins_lt | Lesterwood: testing is fairly early in the cycle and likely to break on a regular basis for some time to come. |
| 18:45.53 | stew | Lesterwood: can you get your machine connected to the internet during the install? |
| 18:45.56 | jhutchins_lt | Lesterwood: The packages in Debian aren't necessarily outdated just because their version numbers are not the latest. They have had additional testing and patching that the "newer" packages used by less stable distros use. |
| 18:46.35 | Lesterwood | wols: i dont wnat to have to access the internet to install |
| 18:46.40 | jhutchins_lt | Lesterwood: If packaged truely become outdated due to necessary bugfixes or features, they are usually backported. |
| 18:46.53 | jhutchins_lt | Lesterwood: Disk 1 then. |
| 18:47.19 | wols | Lesterwood: basic install can be done by either. however you don't want to download all CDs to install stuff, do you? so sooner or later you want network access to install things |
| 18:47.33 | stew | Lesterwood: what other stuff do you want to install before you put it on the internet? |
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| 18:50.10 | Lesterwood | stew: vmware |
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| 18:50.23 | stew | Lesterwood: i mean from debian |
| 18:50.43 | Lesterwood | stew: its just that i am not always able to access the internet |
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| 18:50.55 | Lesterwood | so i am afraid a netinstall might crap out on me midway |
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| 18:51.13 | stew | Lesterwood: a net install doesn't need to access the network to complete the install |
| 18:51.29 | cheater__ | hi guys |
| 18:51.30 | cheater__ | in an ext3 file system, i have an inode number, and i want to find out the fs block numbers that this inode occupies. how can i do that? |
| 18:51.34 | dvs | hides |
| 18:52.01 | Lesterwood | stew: would you mind explaining how a netinstall works then |
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| 18:52.30 | andantino | i am fairly new to Debian. I am trying to install the MS corefonts with the terminal but it says that the package may be obsolete...etc etc |
| 18:52.37 | Filder | Hello guys, is anybody here, who can give me support to avoid automounting of NTFS-partition in GNOME 2.30.2. I don#t mean USB-Sticks or USB starge devices. That's work. |
| 18:52.40 | stew | Lesterwood: it contains exactly the set of pacakges needed for a base install of debian. it configures debian to get any optional packages from the internet |
| 18:52.55 | Lesterwood | oh |
| 18:53.04 | Lesterwood | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 18:53.11 | Lesterwood | why are tehre like 40 cd images |
| 18:53.15 | Lesterwood | just curious |
| 18:53.25 | stew | Lesterwood: your other options are to download more cds (like CD1, CD2, CD3, etc) so that you can add those to your sources.list so that packages which you want to install after the base system which are on these cds can be installed from cd instead of from the internet |
| 18:53.33 | jhutchins_lt | andantino: So you want to avoid automounting some NTFS partitions, but autmount others? |
| 18:53.37 | nkuttler | Lesterwood: for people who can't do a netinst |
| 18:53.44 | stew | Lesterwood: those 40 cd images are for getting packages to machines which cannot get to a network |
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| 18:53.50 | Lesterwood | ah |
| 18:54.02 | andantino | It says that ttf-mscorefonts-installer is not available but is referred to by another package |
| 18:54.05 | stew | (and they are roughly ordered by popularity) |
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| 18:54.24 | Lesterwood | stew: do those disks include the base package |
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| 18:54.35 | wols | Lesterwood: cd1 does |
| 18:54.38 | stew | andantino: its in the contrib repository, no in the main debian repository: /msg dpkg contrib |
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| 18:55.13 | sickgut | im hello im able to get cd audio sound ok on mplapyer cddb:// but i cant hear any audio out of xmcd tcd or any of the audio cdplayers in the debian repos only mplayer and i dont know why, the cdplayer programs dont let me set what audio devices to use etc |
| 18:55.15 | RixterPrime | cheater: Stat will get you started, but not the whole story |
| 18:55.40 | rhenani | hello guys |
| 18:55.51 | stew | 'businesscard' contains the installer, 'netinst' contains installer + base, cd1 contains installer + base + some popular stuff + gnome, cd2 contains more packages but no installer... |
| 18:55.54 | rhenani | I have debian 6.0.1 squeze and windows 7 |
| 18:56.16 | rhenani | i want to remove space that i don't use from my debian oprating system |
| 18:56.26 | rhenani | and add it to my windows 7 operating system |
| 18:56.39 | dtcrshr | on debian, where is the file to add alias to apache? httpd.conf in /etc/apache2 is empty, most of the configs are in apache2.conf and the alias are not working |
| 18:56.48 | andantino | reszie your windows partition |
| 18:56.56 | wols | rhenani: use gparted |
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| 18:57.01 | linuxsux | hi |
| 18:57.06 | linuxsux | debian linux sux |
| 18:57.09 | andantino | you can do it from windows rhenani |
| 18:57.14 | isbric | ok so i solved the problem! |
| 18:57.14 | nkuttler | dtcrshr: sites-enabled/foo |
| 18:57.15 | rhenani | i'm using gparted, i shrink the debian partition from 20 GB to 10 |
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| 18:57.33 | linuxsux | fuck |
| 18:57.36 | rhenani | Now i have an unlocated space but I can't add it to my windows 7 partition why? |
| 18:57.45 | linuxsux | because you are dumb? |
| 18:57.45 | andantino | rhenani |
| 18:57.49 | andantino | go into windows |
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| 18:58.06 | andantino | one sec |
| 18:58.11 | rhenani | andantino: ok |
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| 18:58.41 | jhutchins_lt | Somebody's started their Memorial Day drinking early. |
| 18:58.46 | dvs | heh |
| 18:59.00 | dvs | is wandering how ChanServ was so smart to see that. |
| 18:59.05 | dvs | by itself |
| 18:59.39 | andantino | you can resize your windows partition quickly from windows 7 |
| 18:59.40 | wols | ops can make chanserv do the quieting |
| 18:59.45 | isbric | stew: i incresed the inodes of /dev |
| 18:59.50 | andantino | be careful though |
| 18:59.52 | andantino | :P |
| 18:59.53 | somiaj | dvs: chanserv can be controled by channel opps via /msg -- that way the op in question can stay hiden and not turn it into a drama fest |
| 18:59.56 | rhenani | wols: i'm using it but, ishrink the debian partition from 20 gb to 10 and got an unlocated space that can't add it to my windows 7 partition, i don't why |
| 19:00.05 | wols | andantino: yes, but this is #debian, please take windows problems elsewhere |
| 19:00.06 | andantino | ok |
| 19:00.11 | dvs | somiaj: sneaky |
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| 19:00.45 | wols | rhenani: where is the unlocated space on disk? after the linux space right? and the windows partition is the first partition? |
| 19:00.55 | kantor | hello, Is there a way to tell when was a GNU/Linux OS system installed ? (maybe a file which is created at installation time and is never modified after . . . so one can check the creation time) |
| 19:01.11 | wols | kantor: check /usr creation time? |
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| 19:01.38 | rhenani | wols: yes exactly |
| 19:02.06 | wols | rhenani: you need to move the linux parition to the end of the disk so that the unlocated space is directly after the windows partition. then you can enlarge the windows partition |
| 19:02.17 | andantino | you will have to extend the linux volume |
| 19:02.30 | rhenani | wols: ?? |
| 19:02.31 | andantino | and take it from the other side...in between windows and linux |
| 19:03.03 | rhenani | wols: how do i move it?? |
| 19:03.08 | wols | rhenani: gparted |
| 19:03.09 | andantino | you have to start over |
| 19:03.12 | rhenani | andantino: is that right?? |
| 19:03.22 | kantor | wols, in GNU/Linux the creation time of a file is not stored, only the access, modification, and change times |
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| 19:03.35 | andantino | you have to resize the linux again to its original size of 20g |
| 19:03.44 | rhenani | wols: it doesn't give the option to move th unlocated space?? |
| 19:04.00 | wols | rhenani: it's not the unlocated space you move... |
| 19:04.04 | rhenani | andantino: Ok ill do it |
| 19:04.15 | rhenani | wols: which one? |
| 19:04.17 | andantino | then you have to shrink from the opposite side |
| 19:04.29 | rhenani | wols: the linux one ext3??? |
| 19:04.47 | rhenani | i'll try first what andantino says |
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| 19:06.18 | rhenani | andantino: I resized again the linux partition to 20 GB |
| 19:06.32 | andantino | so right now you have windows on the left |
| 19:06.39 | andantino | and debian on the right |
| 19:07.03 | rhenani | yes windows on the left then linux |
| 19:07.03 | andantino | and a swap a the end? |
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| 19:07.03 | rhenani | but betweent them there is one call extended |
| 19:07.09 | rhenani | yes |
| 19:07.11 | rhenani | swap at the end |
| 19:07.17 | andantino | hmmm |
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| 19:07.44 | Lesterwood | could some one explain to me packages in debian? |
| 19:07.48 | Lesterwood | i never formally understood |
| 19:08.04 | Lesterwood | i am assuming there is a "base package" which gives basic modern OS functionality |
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| 19:08.13 | Lesterwood | then you can add stuff like GUIs and whatnot right? |
| 19:08.19 | andantino | did you just create the one in the middle rhenani? |
| 19:08.31 | Bushmills | kantor: the /selinux directory has a good chance to never have been touched since installation |
| 19:08.41 | rhenani | nfts 100mb (boot windows) ntfs (19gb) Windows - extended - ext3 , swap |
| 19:09.11 | andantino | is the extended empty? |
| 19:09.22 | Lesterwood | moreover what constitutes the base package? |
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| 19:10.28 | somiaj | Lesterwood: a package is a group of files needed to run a paticular piece of software. And packages are used to install/uninstall the software. The nice thing about debian packages is keeping track of dependencies (what other pieces of software are also needed) and having apt figure out what else needs to be installed to get a paticualr package to run. |
| 19:10.36 | rhenani | andantino: it doesn't say it just says 20 gb and it has like and arrow pointing down and then come ext3 and swap |
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| 19:10.38 | stew | Lesterwood: any package marked Essential: yes and the packages with priority: required and priority: important |
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| 19:10.57 | andantino | ok but you have nothing in between windows and debian? |
| 19:11.04 | rhenani | andantino: and in the graphic extended is like the physical and inside is ext3 (debian) and swap |
| 19:11.19 | andantino | 9oh oh oh |
| 19:11.20 | Lesterwood | stew: what are some other packages i might want to add to my netinst, this will be used as a desktop computer |
| 19:11.23 | andantino | thats at the end |
| 19:11.30 | Raccoon1400 | I can't get usb to work in virtualbox. I installed the extension pack but it still says it can't access the usb subsystem |
| 19:11.54 | stew | Lesterwood: i count about 125 packages in base right now. |
| 19:12.05 | kantor | Bushmills, ok, thanks |
| 19:12.14 | stew | Lesterwood: you might add "gnome" or "kde" to get a gnome or kde desktop (or pick and chose pieces) |
| 19:12.20 | somiaj | Lesterwood: use packages.debian.org or apt-cache search to search though the thousands and thousands of packages. If you want to just install a group of packages for some prefered task (like desktop) you can install and run tasksel and tell it to install you a desktopsystem. |
| 19:12.53 | stew | Lesterwood: the big meta-packages like "gnome" try to get you "everything you might expect on a desktop", so it would include stuff like word processor, web-browser, email, media players... |
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| 19:12.55 | somiaj | Lesterwood: or if you know of a piece of software just install teh package for it, stew's gnome or kde suggestions will pull in complete desktop enviorments |
| 19:12.58 | rhenani | andantino: yes |
| 19:13.05 | andantino | ok something like this |
| 19:13.05 | nkuttler | Raccoon1400: afaik the version in debian doesn't support usb. what do you mean by extension pack? |
| 19:13.32 | jhutchins_lt | I see the ltsp docs haven't been updated in a while. We're still split between documentation that talks about a chroot and packaging that doesn't use it. |
| 19:13.46 | andantino | NTFS <-----------------------Debian------------------Ext3 Debian/Swap |
| 19:13.53 | Lesterwood | somiaj: does debian have a collective "software store" like ubuntu, or will i have to apt get everything |
| 19:14.06 | wols | Raccoon1400: you need either virtualbox 4 (for usb 1.1 support in gpl version) or you need a version directly from virtualbox since the OSE one in debian doesn't do USB |
| 19:14.12 | wols | ,version virtualbox-ose |
| 19:14.21 | Raccoon1400 | nkuttler: I installed the version from the vbox site. It said I needed an extension pack for usb. Vbox is completely useless to me without usb |
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| 19:14.21 | Bushmills | Lesterwood: there's aptitude, alternatively |
| 19:14.28 | wols | ,versions virtualbox-ose |
| 19:14.29 | judd | Package virtualbox-ose on i386 -- lenny: 1.6.6-dfsg-3; lenny-backports: 3.2.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.2.10-dfsg-1; sid: 4.0.4-dfsg-2; wheezy: 4.0.4-dfsg-2 |
| 19:14.41 | Raccoon1400 | and google picassa isn't working in debian. It wont upload. It just sits there. |
| 19:14.41 | rhenani | andantino: yes |
| 19:14.52 | wols | Raccoon1400: they don't say that |
| 19:14.52 | rhenani | andantino: how can i send you an screenshot? |
| 19:14.54 | somiaj | Lesterwood: what do you mean by software store, yes you should be able to get a completely function machine from the packages in the main repo, but lots of people want stuff that isn't in that repo, so they also include the contrib and non-free repos. |
| 19:14.55 | stew | Lesterwood: there are many different package managers to chose from, aptitude is the one most commonly recommended here |
| 19:15.08 | andantino | do you have a PrintScreen key |
| 19:15.11 | Bushmills | and you don't need to get everything. just the stuff you intend to use or want to look at would suffice |
| 19:15.12 | rhenani | andantino: o put it like in a site and then i can send you the link |
| 19:15.17 | rhenani | andantino: yes i do |
| 19:15.24 | somiaj | Lesterwood: apt-get/aptitude are more command line -- synaptic is useful if you want a more graphical package manager |
| 19:15.27 | andantino | that should take a screenshot |
| 19:15.27 | rhenani | andantino: i have a screenshot |
| 19:15.33 | andantino | woot |
| 19:15.40 | rhenani | andantino: how can i send it to you? |
| 19:15.57 | andantino | do you see the chat box where i have been pcing you |
| 19:16.16 | andantino | private chatting |
| 19:16.18 | jhutchins_lt | Lesterwood: Debian does not have a repository of third-party commercial software. |
| 19:16.22 | Raccoon1400 | wols:http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch01.html#intro-installing |
| 19:16.54 | rhenani | andantino: ok |
| 19:17.19 | wols | Raccoon1400: since version 4, virtualbox supports USB 1.1 in the GPLed version as I told you above. your link only talks about 2.0 |
| 19:17.57 | Raccoon1400 | wols: it says it can't load the usb proxy service. How to I fix that? |
| 19:18.04 | nkuttler | Raccoon1400: btw, there's picasa for linux as well |
| 19:18.08 | jhutchins_lt | Raccoon1400: What is virtualbox useful to you for if you _do_ haved USB? |
| 19:19.03 | wols | Raccoon1400: under what permissions did you start vbox? |
| 19:19.39 | Lesterwood | somiaj: is there a way to check what packages are in the first cd (cd-1) http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 19:19.39 | Raccoon1400 | jhutchins_lt: I usually need it to use windows to upload photos and stuff that wont work in linux |
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| 19:19.44 | Raccoon1400 | wols: regular user |
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| 19:20.28 | stew | Lesterwood: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 19:21.09 | somiaj | Lesterwood: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/ |
| 19:21.18 | wols | Raccoon1400: probably it. but not really sure since I never used usb with linux host |
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| 19:22.18 | jhutchins_lt | Raccoon1400: There are probably other, possibly better ways to do things than clinging to Windows methods. I haven't run Windows since 2004 and haven't missed anything. |
| 19:23.16 | wols | jhutchins_lt: unsupported shitty usb based hardware... |
| 19:23.33 | jhutchins_lt | wols: Nope, haven't missed that at all. |
| 19:23.45 | Raccoon1400 | jhutchins_lt: yeah, like using linux. That's not working. I'm using picasa online. pics aren't uploading. I can't upload to kijiji either. |
| 19:23.58 | Raccoon1400 | windows is my backup |
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| 19:28.23 | nkuttler | Benkinooby: well read your error logs |
| 19:29.02 | Benkinooby | nkuttler, dmseg gives no info :( i also went through the init scrips.... |
| 19:29.14 | stew | Benkinooby: are you really running dhcpcd instead of dhclient? |
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| 19:30.29 | nkuttler | Benkinooby: that would probably be in /var/log/daemon.log or /var/log/syslog |
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| 19:31.10 | Benkinooby | stew, yes |
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| 19:32.22 | Benkinooby | nkuttler, my problem is that i only have ssh connection to the route atm. i was not able to solve the prob right now, and i am afraid to toy around with it now. i was jsut wondering if some1 has some input for me or expereinced something like this too... nkuttler |
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| 19:33.24 | nkuttler | Benkinooby: your logs have input for you |
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| 19:36.12 | Benkinooby | nkuttler, stew i read the logs... i greped them for eth0 or dhc no new info to me... if dhcpcd is working it log nice. but my problem is: when i booted the router w/o connection, i see dhcpcd trying to get an ip, ofc it's out of luck. when i log in, there is no dhcpcd process at all. if i manually start it (still router is not connected) dhcpcd will kill itself after unsuccessfull atempt |
| 19:36.41 | Benkinooby | ti log nice = it log nice |
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| 19:37.46 | Benkinooby | my problem is, that if the router is not connected, it won't manage it's connection as soon as it get's connected. i'd have to do it manually :( |
| 19:38.30 | nkuttler | Benkinooby: see also man 5 interfaces and consider restarting dhcpd on post-up.. |
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| 19:39.24 | Justin | Benkinooby: remove dhcpcd and install isc-dhcp-client |
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| 19:40.18 | stew | nkuttler: he's not talking about dhcpd, he's talking about dhcpcd |
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| 19:40.56 | stew | Benkinooby: if you want something to run when you get a hardware link, you can look at ifplugd perhaps |
| 19:40.57 | nkuttler | oh my |
| 19:41.00 | Justin | isc dhcp client properly backgrounds itself when no leases are offered |
| 19:41.11 | Justin | looks like dhcpcd does not. just use the isc dhcp client |
| 19:41.33 | Justin | ifplugd won't help if the problem is cable/dsl related |
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| 19:42.33 | Benkinooby | Justin, stew when i am physically in front of the router i'll go after you advice |
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| 19:43.39 | Benkinooby | nkuttler, http://pastebin.com/mNe0TbLp this is my interfaces file ... there is something else i noticed: connected during boot: i get ipv4 and ipv6 address... everything is fine... not connected -> have to go for ipv4 manually... ipv6 is not set either |
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| 19:46.11 | Justin | Benkinooby: just install isc-dhcp-client |
| 19:46.33 | sickgut | when i try to play a audio cd i get no sound except in mplayer. every other cdplaying app dont give me sound, also audacious gives this error then crashes when i try: /build/buildd-glib2.0_2.24.2-1-i386-AScyie/glib2.0-2.24.2/glib/gmem.c:137: failed to allocate <very long number> |
| 19:48.16 | sickgut | im trying to get cdplaying to work in something other than mplayer coz mplayer-gui doesnt let me seek forward and back and change tracks once its started |
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| 19:48.47 | MrFrood | sickgut: what version of debian? |
| 19:49.01 | sickgut | im using squeeze, and ive tried un installing and reinstalling alsa and looked all throught the alsamixer and alsamixergui settings |
| 19:49.35 | sickgut | the other cdplayer progs play the disc, just dont provide any sound |
| 19:49.50 | somiaj | sickgut: desktop or laptop? |
| 19:49.51 | Justin | sickgut: if your optical drive is not connected to your sound card/motherboard, you can not play cds that way |
| 19:50.34 | sickgut | mplayer plays them tho , so is this still the case? its a desktop with via intergrated sound |
| 19:50.36 | MrFrood | sickgut: did you try running 'alsactl init' as root |
| 19:50.42 | Justin | sickgut: most applications use digital audio extraction |
| 19:50.51 | Justin | rather, most modern applications |
| 19:51.14 | Justin | no amount of alsa installing/reinstalling will fix the lack of an analog audio cable |
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| 19:51.49 | sickgut | but gxine vlc and all those dont work, only mplayer |
| 19:52.01 | sickgut | ill see if the cdrom audio cable is conencted |
| 19:52.08 | Justin | don't bother |
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| 19:52.18 | Dev0n | hey, when I run netstat -an | grep mysql, I have a: unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 932370 /tmp/mysql.sock but there are no mysql processes running and it won't let me remove that socket :/ |
| 19:52.22 | sickgut | but gxine and vlc should do digital audio extraction too right? |
| 19:52.28 | Justin | did you tell them to? |
| 19:52.31 | Dev0n | anyone know how I could stop and remove it / |
| 19:52.33 | Justin | what did you use for mplayer cdda? |
| 19:52.53 | aLinux | during installation of any package i got these message, |
| 19:52.53 | sickgut | mplayer cddb:// |
| 19:52.59 | sickgut | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.00 | aLinux | tar: ./conffiles: time stamp 2011-04-30 09:13:15 is 30892686.560374975 s in the future |
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| 19:53.03 | sickgut | both work |
| 19:53.09 | aLinux | how can i fix it? |
| 19:53.11 | aLinux | tar: ./conffiles: time stamp 2011-04-30 09:13:15 is 30892686.560374975 s in the future |
| 19:53.22 | Justin | aLinux: fix your clock |
| 19:53.26 | sickgut | by typing in the terminal |
| 19:53.26 | aLinux | how ? |
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| 19:53.47 | aLinux | Justin: what's the command to fix clock |
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| 19:53.58 | Justin | sickgut: I'd just use something that rips the cds and just rip the cd to wav/mp3 and be done wth it |
| 19:54.16 | Justin | aLinux: install ntp and ntpdate |
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| 19:54.46 | Justin | aLinux: you haven't noticed that your clock is off by almost a year? |
| 19:56.10 | sickgut | there is no digital audio extraction option i can change in gxine or vlc, im giving this puter to a friend to play cds etc. |
| 19:56.10 | Dev0n | how would I kill a unix socket connection :( ? |
| 19:56.24 | sickgut | this is the output of alsa init: |
| 19:56.26 | sickgut | Unknown hardware: "VIA8237" "Analog Devices AD1888" "AC97a:41445368" "0x1043" "0x810d" |
| 19:56.27 | sickgut | Hardware is initialized using a guess method |
| 19:56.50 | MrFrood | sickgut: that's normal output |
| 19:56.58 | Justin | sickgut: what did I tell you twice already? |
| 19:57.09 | Justin | sickgut: no audio cable = no audio from the cdrom |
| 19:57.31 | sickgut | but gxine and vlc do digital audio extraction j ust like mplayer |
| 19:57.37 | Justin | do they? |
| 19:57.47 | aLinux | Justin: i installed ntp and ntpdate, now what would i do ? |
| 19:58.08 | Justin | aLinux: is your time correct now? |
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| 19:59.19 | aLinux | Justin: no |
| 19:59.39 | aLinux | Justin: i got Fri May 27 , but it's 28th may now |
| 19:59.57 | aLinux | Justin: also the time is not correct |
| 20:00.14 | stew | aLinux: if ntpd is running, give it some time to adjust |
| 20:00.27 | Justin | aLinux: does it say you are in UTC? |
| 20:00.53 | aLinux | Justin: i don't know how to check if it's UTC or not ? |
| 20:01.02 | stew | aLinux: compare date to date -u |
| 20:01.23 | Justin | no need to compare, date would say UTC |
| 20:01.47 | aLinux | Justin: stew : UTC 2011 |
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| 20:03.57 | Tekk_ | why is kde stuck so back at 4.4 in wheezy? |
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| 20:05.36 | MrFrood | Tekk_: just a guess but I imagine that some packages are still playing catchup after the freeze for squeeze |
| 20:05.50 | ooxi | hi can i somehow read the current cpu and/or disk usage from the /proc filesystem? |
| 20:06.09 | ooxi | i need values similar to top and iostat |
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| 20:06.38 | Tekk_ | I guess |
| 20:06.42 | Justin | ooxi: why? |
| 20:06.58 | Bushmills | aLinux: better, stop ntp, set time with ntpdate, then start ntp again |
| 20:07.16 | Justin | Bushmills: already done |
| 20:07.17 | ooxi | Justin, i want to access them from within a java application and executing a subprocess every time is to heavyweight |
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| 20:07.51 | Justin | ooxi: disk usage comes from statvfs |
| 20:08.07 | Ramen | I'm on Wheezy and i'm trying to install Radeon drivers... I am getting "[Error] Kernel Module : Failed to build fglrx-8.85 with DKMS" any ideas? |
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| 20:08.47 | MrFrood | ooxi: df -h |
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| 20:09.05 | ooxi | MrFrood, i meant something like written kib/sec |
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| 20:09.30 | aPpYe | does anyone know how to make sense of the msi site for getting a bios download? I see no support link |
| 20:09.43 | ooxi | Justin how can i export that information into /proc or /sys? |
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| 20:10.05 | Justin | ooxi: /proc/diskstats? |
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| 20:10.25 | hummer9 | good afternoon |
| 20:10.32 | ooxi | Justin, i don't have that directory :/ |
| 20:10.57 | hummer9 | is the tex plugin editor for gedit powerful ? |
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| 20:11.05 | ooxi | Justin, sorry it's a file found it |
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| 20:11.26 | hummer9 | i'm learning latex |
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| 20:12.08 | dimir | s/learn/wear/ |
| 20:12.18 | hummer9 | ? |
| 20:12.28 | hummer9 | why? |
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| 20:12.55 | hummer9 | it's like a programming language |
| 20:13.12 | MrFrood | hummer9: take a look at vim-latexsuite ;) |
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| 20:13.30 | hummer9 | i never use vim ;) |
| 20:13.52 | MrFrood | good time to start then :-| |
| 20:14.20 | MrFrood | shut's up before an editor war starts... |
| 20:14.28 | hummer9 | gedit is a good editor to me |
| 20:14.39 | themill | hummer9: you might like something like "kile" then |
| 20:14.46 | tux0 | check out emacs+auctex |
| 20:14.51 | tux0 | ! |
| 20:15.02 | hummer9 | i know kile, but i use only gtk apps |
| 20:15.04 | Rienzilla | :) |
| 20:15.09 | hummer9 | or console app |
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| 20:15.12 | jhutchins_lt | hummer9: tex was used to compose books before GUI WYSIWYG editors existed. |
| 20:15.14 | tux0 | also texmaker |
| 20:15.35 | tux0 | texmaker is qt though also |
| 20:15.48 | hummer9 | jhujhiti, openoffice/ms office doesn't work as fine as i would |
| 20:15.55 | MrFrood | jhutchins_lt: latex still has it's uses and produces hq results |
| 20:15.56 | Rienzilla | still likes tex for scientific stuff |
| 20:16.03 | Rienzilla | latex that is |
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| 20:16.15 | Rienzilla | hardcore tex is ... pushing it :) |
| 20:16.36 | hummer9 | tex has a superb tools for tabulations :) |
| 20:16.51 | Rienzilla | literature references |
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| 20:17.07 | tux0 | also emacs+auctex but you can use emacs with org-mode and export to tex/latex |
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| 20:17.26 | hummer9 | i wanna make pdf with |
| 20:17.26 | aLinux | what would i have to install to play mp4 , avi, .flv ,.mp3 files |
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| 20:17.43 | tux0 | aLinux mplayer ? |
| 20:17.44 | hummer9 | aLinux, enable non free repo |
| 20:17.47 | Rienzilla | pdflatex foo.tex |
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| 20:18.02 | MrFrood | makes Rienzilla write an essay on the use of the word hardcore using troff :P |
| 20:18.14 | Rienzilla | sobs in a corner |
| 20:18.16 | Rienzilla | :) |
| 20:18.24 | dvs | !tell aLinux about multimedia |
| 20:18.25 | aLinux | tux0: i have install totem |
| 20:18.26 | hummer9 | i searched pdf2latex in apt, no result |
| 20:18.28 | tux0 | well actually flv can be played using freesoftware now? |
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| 20:18.34 | Rienzilla | hummer9: 'pdflatex' |
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| 20:18.51 | tux0 | forget the project's name but there is one which supports flash |
| 20:18.54 | Rienzilla | texlive-latex-base: /usr/bin/pdflatex |
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| 20:18.59 | aLinux | tux0: will ffmpeg do the job? |
| 20:19.02 | hummer9 | ok thx |
| 20:19.08 | MrFrood | Rienzilla: if I was feeling mean I would of made you use TECO |
| 20:19.16 | Rienzilla | what's that? |
| 20:19.19 | tux0 | aLinux probably but it has a very limited command line player |
| 20:19.52 | aLinux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:20.02 | tux0 | aLinux most projects I think use ffmpeg e.g. mplayer etc. |
| 20:21.08 | aLinux | tux0: i have installed totem, and gstreamer0.10-good,bad,ugly |
| 20:21.11 | tux0 | aLinux not sure if this is still the case but if you want a player which plays pretty much everything you choose mplayer, vlc, or xine and I think mainly mplayer and vlc |
| 20:21.12 | jhutchins_lt | aLinux: There is a debian-multimedia repository that offers packages with features/options that don't comply with some license restrictions. |
| 20:21.13 | aLinux | tux0: that works |
| 20:21.17 | hummer9 | so, thx you all, and good night ! |
| 20:21.21 | jhutchins_lt | !tell aLinux about dmm |
| 20:21.24 | Schroeder | Rienzilla: Der Fliegende Hollander was better. |
| 20:21.55 | MrFrood | Rienzilla: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Text_Editor_and_Corrector |
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| 20:22.25 | aLinux | During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. |
| 20:22.32 | aLinux | jhutchins_lt: tux0 ^ |
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| 20:27.23 | LetoPoole | hi, I'm having some troubles with svn repo's since last change. I uploaded a ssh key to my account, waited an hour for the cron job but I'm still getting "Permission denied" when try to ssh. any tips on this issue? |
| 20:27.44 | LetoPoole | Is the "transition" complete or are things still a bit flaky? |
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| 20:28.00 | LetoPoole | sorry, the above refers to alioth accounts |
| 20:29.01 | LetoPoole | I also deleted the old key from known_hosts, therefore obtaining the new one |
| 20:29.07 | themill | LetoPoole: if you have old fingerprints in your ~/ssh/known_hosts you need to clear them first. What svn repo are you trying to connect to? |
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| 20:30.01 | LetoPoole | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.14 | LetoPoole | I can download it without rw access |
| 20:30.27 | LetoPoole | the folders still don't appear on anonscm |
| 20:30.35 | LetoPoole | but I could download the sources |
| 20:30.48 | LetoPoole | I'll also like to be able again to translate d-i stuff |
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| 20:31.13 | LetoPoole | themill: I cleared the old ones from known_hosts |
| 20:31.23 | LetoPoole | followed indications I found in the mails |
| 20:31.30 | LetoPoole | to debian-devel |
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| 20:31.44 | LetoPoole | somewhere I read I now need a ssh key |
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| 20:33.03 | themill | LetoPoole: svn.debian.org/svn/debian-l10n/virtaal is not a complete url. What's the exact command that you're using. |
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| 20:37.05 | jhutchins_lt | LetoPoole: What release are you on? |
| 20:37.09 | LetoPoole | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.12 | LetoPoole | wheezy |
| 20:37.24 | LetoPoole | it gotta be sthg simple ( I hope) |
| 20:37.33 | LetoPoole | "ssh -v elric-guest@svn.debian.org" shows just problem with publickey |
| 20:37.42 | jhutchins_lt | LetoPoole: There ya go, no, the transition will last another year or so. |
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| 20:38.17 | themill | LetoPoole: "ssh svn.debian.org" should work just fine. |
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| 20:38.55 | themill | LetoPoole: (that should connect you to vasks.debian.org) |
| 20:39.12 | jhutchins_lt | LetoPoole: #debian-next on oftc.net |
| 20:40.34 | LetoPoole | themill: Already tried, after waiting an hour so alioth's cron job ccould complete. I got again this time Permission denied (publickey). |
| 20:40.35 | themill | jhutchins_lt: this has nothing to do with wheezy or anything else |
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| 20:41.15 | themill | LetoPoole: hmm... can you connect directly "ssh erlic-guest@vasks.debian.org" or to wagner if not vasks? |
| 20:41.15 | ompaul | alioth exists? |
| 20:42.19 | LetoPoole | themill: same result |
| 20:42.53 | jhutchins_lt | themill: That was in response to an earlier question. |
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| 20:43.14 | LetoPoole | themill: added wagner to hosts etc.. and same result |
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| 20:43.22 | themill | LetoPoole: do you need to tell ssh to use the separate ssh key that you have for alioth? |
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| 20:44.49 | themill | jhutchins_lt: not in the last 40 minutes, it's not. I doubt your lag is quite that long. |
| 20:45.11 | LetoPoole | themill: No, I used the one created in id_rsa.pub |
| 20:45.51 | LetoPoole | i use that key also w assembla, no issue |
| 20:45.54 | LetoPoole | s |
| 20:46.17 | themill | LetoPoole: given the current state of flux on alioth, it might be worth asking in #alioth on irc.oftc.net. My old credentials work just fine but maybe new keys are not being added correctly. |
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| 20:46.35 | themill | ompaul: sort of. mostly. |
| 20:46.38 | LetoPoole | themill: sure, thanks for the time spent |
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| 20:47.05 | themill | no worries, happy hunting |
| 20:47.09 | LetoPoole | :9 |
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| 20:49.16 | doublehp | can fuse be used to "redirect" /a/b to /a_b ? i need a to be a fake folder, and when doing fopen("/a/b") it gives the content of /a_b ... |
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| 20:50.16 | jhutchins_lt | themill: He did mention that the problem appeared after an upgrade. |
| 20:50.42 | themill | yes, the aloith upgrade⦠|
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| 20:51.05 | themill | subscribes jhutchins_lt to d-d-a |
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| 20:51.28 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Thank you. |
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| 20:55.14 | Iridos | dda? |
| 20:55.16 | Iridos | ddt? |
| 20:55.34 | LetoPoole | Iridos: debian-devel-announce |
| 20:55.39 | LetoPoole | ddt I dont know? |
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| 20:56.10 | Furai` | What was the command to check what debian version I'm running? |
| 20:56.12 | JordiGH | Softwares, codes, a good soft. |
| 20:56.19 | JordiGH | Furai`: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:56.27 | Furai` | thx |
| 20:57.07 | JordiGH | lsb_release -d |
| 20:57.16 | JordiGH | Also works |
| 20:57.20 | Iridos | LetoPoole, dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane :) .... that is actually very very good at debugging :-P |
| 20:57.34 | Furai` | and what if I'd like to check if it's x86 or x64? |
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| 20:58.52 | Furai` | Hmmm, it didn't found command lsb_release |
| 20:58.53 | MrFrood | Furai`: also cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} |
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| 21:00.14 | jhutchins_lt | Furai`: uname -a |
| 21:00.30 | jhutchins_lt | Furai`: That only tells you what kernel you have, not what hardware. |
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| 21:01.11 | noahfx | I just made a debian cheat cube with common commands http://www.debianart.org/cchost/?ccm=/files/noahfecks/1012 |
| 21:01.15 | Iridos | Furai`, uname -r for the kernel, dpkg-architecture or a look in /etc/apt/sources.list for the userland ... or possibly just something like file /bin/ls |
| 21:01.16 | noahfx | check it out ;) |
| 21:01.41 | Iridos | !tell Furai` -about apt-file |
| 21:01.45 | Iridos | !tell Furai` -about installit |
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| 21:01.54 | Iridos | (for the lsb_release) |
| 21:01.57 | gnarface | Furai`: or you could just check /proc/cpuinfo and google what it tells you |
| 21:02.29 | Iridos | gnarface, that doesn't tell you if the installed system is 32 bit or 64 bit, though... and I guess that is what he wants to know |
| 21:03.15 | Iridos | the question is a bit ambiguous... but who cares that the CPU is 64bit if you run kernel+userland compiled for 32bit |
| 21:03.16 | gnarface | Iridos: oh, i was confused |
| 21:03.40 | Furai` | hah, I'll probably just login into website and check what version was installed on that vps - way more comfortable ;p |
| 21:03.44 | doublehp | an OS is designed to abstract the hardware. 32/64 consideration are low level, out of the scope of the shell user |
| 21:03.55 | Iridos | (what I'm saying... although the question could ask both, I think only one of the possible questions makes sense) |
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| 21:04.42 | somiaj | Furai`: you could check the arch of installed packages. apt-cache show libc6, or check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:04.43 | Furai` | Anyway, thanks for the help, guys. |
| 21:05.06 | Iridos | gnarface, don't worry... so was I... I had also first thought of cpuinfo :) |
| 21:05.25 | Iridos | I said that! |
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| 21:20.09 | Zapadlo | Good evening everyone, I have an issue with Ati drivers. My nvidia card has died and I replaced it with Ati 5450. Now on boot I |
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| 21:20.34 | simonlnu | 'm missing part of my sentence |
| 21:20.40 | dvs | re you? |
| 21:20.43 | Zapadlo | I get the following error: failed to load firmware CEDAR_pfp.bin and it says it's disabling GPU acceleration |
| 21:20.57 | simonlnu | !firmware |
| 21:20.57 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages. See also <search>, <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 21:21.23 | dvs | Zapadlo: aptitude install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 21:21.38 | dvs | !tell Zapadlo about nonfree |
| 21:21.47 | Zapadlo | dvs Thank you, incidentally is there a wiki page on this? |
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| 21:22.02 | simonlnu | see dpkg's factoid |
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| 21:22.44 | Zapadlo | simonlnu Thank you |
| 21:22.58 | Zapadlo | I was under impressiong xorg-ati drivers are open-source |
| 21:23.02 | simonlnu | np |
| 21:23.14 | simonlnu | yes, but the firmware isn't |
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| 21:23.40 | Zapadlo | simonlnu Ok, I'll do more reading on this, thanks again |
| 21:23.49 | simonlnu | *nod* |
| 21:23.51 | eviljoker | weird under my user it /home/joker I do not have Desktop etc. When I save a file to my home it ends up on the Desktop? |
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| 21:24.30 | eviljoker | So /home/joker/Desktop does not exist? |
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| 21:24.46 | simonlnu | if you don't have a Desktop your $HOME == Desktop |
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| 21:25.07 | simonlnu | mkdir ~/Desktop |
| 21:25.26 | eviljoker | What do I have to make a dir called Desktop? |
| 21:25.32 | foetus | but gnome and kde have different dirs.. |
| 21:25.41 | eviljoker | using gnome |
| 21:25.52 | simonlnu | i just told you... |
| 21:25.54 | foetus | hm |
| 21:26.07 | simonlnu | no they don't. not recent ones. |
| 21:26.17 | simonlnu | ones, versions i meant |
| 21:26.18 | eviljoker | Yeah Ill do that. Just seems weird. I have used lots of |
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| 21:26.51 | eviljoker | *nix systems with Gnome. Is this a Debian thing? |
| 21:26.58 | simonlnu | might want to install xdg-utils |
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| 21:27.10 | silvering | hi guys, can someone help me with tint ? |
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| 21:27.43 | eviljoker | simonlnu was that to me? |
| 21:28.02 | MrFrood | silvering: you need to more specific |
| 21:28.06 | simonlnu | yes |
| 21:28.19 | MrFrood | *to be |
| 21:28.24 | eviljoker | simonlnu kk, Ill give it a go thx |
| 21:28.33 | Krobar | Hi Everyone, I'm new to Debian and am having some trouble booting Squeeze on an old P3 board. It works in recovery mode but fails late on in normal boot. |
| 21:28.39 | silvering | MrFrood: it seems that tint is not loading the config file i paste |
| 21:28.51 | eviljoker | simonlnu I have it installed |
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| 21:29.07 | Krobar | Last few things I see flash past are something to do with Bluetooth, is it the GUI that is hanging? |
| 21:29.27 | jhutchins_lt | eviljoker: It's more a matter of how you built your system. A default install with kde or gnome will have ~/Desktop and ~/Downloads. Mine has ~Music, ~/Podcasts, ~/Videos - probably a result of something I installed. |
| 21:29.53 | simonlnu | ok |
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| 21:31.08 | silvering | someone? |
| 21:31.19 | Krobar | Can anyone hear me? |
| 21:31.22 | lapfrog | no |
| 21:31.27 | foetus | :) |
| 21:31.31 | eviljoker | jhutchins_lt this is weird as nuts. I just did a mkdir Desktop "under" my user and poof it ended up on my desktop |
| 21:31.34 | MrFrood | silvering: I did not see the paste |
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| 21:31.40 | Krobar | :) |
| 21:31.47 | simonlnu | yeh, and i moved mine to ~/Documents/ you edit ~/.config/user-dirs.default ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs |
| 21:32.22 | simonlnu | eviljoker: ^^^ (minus the moving to ~/Documents) |
| 21:32.30 | silvering | MrFrood: i mean that i paste the code into tintrc, but when i start it with alt+f2 its not loading it, its loading the default config, wich comes with the install |
| 21:32.57 | jhutchins_lt | eviljoker: ...because it was already using $HOME as $DESKTOP |
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| 21:33.28 | eviljoker | jhutchins_lt how do I change that? |
| 21:33.33 | Krobar | If I see SCSI detected and then the font change and more progress am I nearing the end of Debian boot (Trying to work out what is causing system to hang with a cursor at the top left) |
| 21:33.45 | jhutchins_lt | eviljoker: See post from simonlnu |
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| 21:35.18 | MrFrood | silvering: you are editing the file in ~/.config/tint (might be ~/config/tint2 (not currently got tint installed)) |
| 21:35.42 | silvering | MrFrood: no, im editing /etc/xdg/tint/tintrc |
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| 21:36.27 | MrFrood | edit the file in ~/.config |
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| 21:37.01 | eviljoker | simonlnu just did a locate. My user-dirs.default is here /etc/xdg/ is that normal? |
| 21:37.15 | simonlnu | silvering: avoid editing the system config |
| 21:37.39 | simonlnu | eviljoker: yes, but per-user config is in ~/.config |
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| 21:38.10 | eviljoker | simonlnu, I want this global so I guess I change that then. |
| 21:38.32 | simonlnu | your box.. |
| 21:38.42 | silvering | MrFrood: not loading it again |
| 21:39.07 | eviljoker | simonlnu, I want to do what is good practice |
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| 21:39.23 | simonlnu | !yntbms $1 is <reply>$1: You Need To Be More Specific |
| 21:39.23 | dpkg | okay, simonlnu |
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| 21:39.36 | simonlnu | eviljoker: ~/.config one |
| 21:39.44 | Krobar | *Serverworks chipset..... this might explain why it doesnt work.* |
| 21:39.50 | eviljoker | simonlnu then Ill do it that way |
| 21:40.06 | MrFrood | silvering: I've no real idea then - what happens if you kill tint and restart it..? |
| 21:40.08 | s3a | I have two (different) volume icons in my panel/tray (GNOME), how do I get rid of the one that's where all the launched tray programs are located? |
| 21:40.20 | silvering | MrFrood: same |
| 21:40.36 | simonlnu | unless you're editing for a mass of machines, and copying it over via puppet or something, then i would edit the system one. but for one user, it's not such a big deal. |
| 21:40.37 | silvering | i tryied even with restart of the system, not loading it and thats it |
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| 21:42.32 | MrFrood | silvering: how are you starting your wm? |
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| 21:43.15 | silvering | its starting with the system |
| 21:43.36 | MrFrood | gdm? |
| 21:43.45 | silvering | yes |
| 21:44.06 | MrFrood | what wm/de |
| 21:44.20 | silvering | gdm/gnome |
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| 21:45.15 | MrFrood | ok, so it's not a console-kit isue then |
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| 21:46.45 | silvering | i dunno whats the issue, but im annoyed |
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| 21:46.54 | silvering | and theres not much for tint on the net |
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| 21:47.45 | MrFrood | silvering: try asking in #tint2 |
| 21:48.07 | silvering | oh, i didnt know there is a channel, thanks |
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| 21:49.17 | silvering | well, theres nobody there |
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| 21:50.20 | MrFrood | silvering: 8 useres inc you & me |
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| 21:51.00 | silvering | and noone awake :P |
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| 21:51.04 | silvering | exept you :P |
| 21:51.22 | MrFrood | some channels you need to wait a while for an answer ( I once had to wait over 36 hours in #ksh) |
| 21:52.06 | silvering | well yea, but im gonna try again tomorrow, here is 00:51 PM |
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| 21:52.40 | jhutchins_lt | silvering: There are also packages that just don't have enough users for irc to be useful. They should have a forum or a mailing list somewhere. |
| 21:53.17 | Krobar | Is there an easy alternative to the "noveau" driver? |
| 21:53.32 | silvering | official site |
| 21:53.32 | jhutchins_lt | silvering: Especially something as trivial as a game |
| 21:53.43 | silvering | but nothing for that bug |
| 21:53.44 | jhutchins_lt | Krobar: Which chipset? |
| 21:54.03 | jhutchins_lt | silvering: There have got to be a dozen tetris clones in linux. |
| 21:54.07 | jhutchins_lt | silvering: Try a different one. |
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| 21:54.35 | Krobar | I think its 8800 |
| 21:54.44 | Iridos | MrFrood, my client must lie to me then... it says 1130 total! |
| 21:55.16 | MrFrood | Iridos: :P |
| 21:55.17 | silvering | jhutchins_lt: thats not a game ;) its some kind of bar, i was going to replace gnome panel with tint, but now im not so sure |
| 21:55.35 | MrFrood | jhutchins_lt: tint2 not tint |
| 21:55.42 | wols | !tell Krobar about nvidia |
| 21:55.55 | bst | tint is game, tint2 is lightweight taskbar |
| 21:56.12 | MrFrood | https://code.google.com/p/tint2/ |
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| 21:57.10 | Iridos | hehe... I see why that would cause confusion, though |
| 21:57.33 | silvering | MrFrood: so ~/.config/tint/tintrc is just temporary? after i closed tint it disappeared |
| 21:58.02 | MrFrood | no - it should persist |
| 21:58.33 | silvering | but its not |
| 21:58.40 | jhutchins_lt | silvering: Yeah, sounds like a pretty marginal project. |
| 21:58.41 | MrFrood | ~/.config/tint2/tint2rc I think |
| 21:58.42 | Krobar | Thanks wols, hopefully it will install in recovery mode because I cant seem to stop X loading |
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| 21:59.57 | silvering | alright, i think i got old version, wich could be having issues with my system, im gonna remove the package and install the latest version from scratch |
| 21:59.58 | MrFrood | jhutchins_lt: tin2 is one of the most populer task bars for light weight wm's |
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| 22:00.22 | satdav | Hey guys what is the command again to still stuff apt-get what |
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| 22:01.12 | satdav | and what progammes are pre installed on the the system |
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| 22:01.38 | billy_ | satdav: apt-get install |
| 22:02.04 | eviljoker | jhutchins, changing user-dirs.dirs to ie XDG_DESKTOP_DIR="$HOME/Desktop" |
| 22:02.04 | eviljoker | XDG_DOWNLOAD_DIR="$HOME/Downloads" |
| 22:02.04 | eviljoker | XDG_TEMPLATES_DIR="$HOME/Templates" |
| 22:02.14 | satdav | billy_: why is java not on it by default |
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| 22:02.26 | eviljoker | jhutchins, just put it all on my desktop |
| 22:02.28 | satdav | it should be for rogammes |
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| 22:02.44 | billy_ | satdav: not sure but there is a package in the repo |
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| 22:03.13 | satdav | OK |
| 22:03.20 | Iridos | silvering, you could strace it... from your description it's still not clear to me what exactly the problem is... read the stuff in /usr/share/doc/tint2/ and possibly the manpage... if you're sure it's a bug, write a bugreport (current bugs are in http://bugs.debian.org/tint2 but there's not much) |
| 22:03.21 | satdav | how do I know what pacjages are in it |
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| 22:03.51 | billy_ | satdav: sun-java6-jre |
| 22:03.56 | eviljoker | jhutchins, seems like $HOME is pointing at my desktop for some weird reason |
| 22:03.58 | satdav | OOK |
| 22:04.02 | satdav | is that the latest one |
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| 22:05.03 | simonlnu | eviljoker: you'll probably have to log out of your x session to make sue it works properly |
| 22:05.06 | satdav | OK thats it done |
| 22:05.08 | billy_ | satdav: thats actually in the non-free repo |
| 22:05.08 | simonlnu | sure* |
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| 22:05.20 | satdav | I need the free version |
| 22:05.23 | satdav | to run openfire |
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| 22:05.49 | billy_ | satdav: this - openjdk-6-jre ? |
| 22:05.56 | satdav | OK |
| 22:06.02 | satdav | is openfire now on it |
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| 22:06.20 | billy_ | satdav: don't know what openfire is, can't help you there |
| 22:06.22 | Iridos | !tell satdav about search |
| 22:06.52 | MrFrood | satdav: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages |
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| 22:07.14 | satdav | E: Couldn't find package operjdk-6-jre |
| 22:07.25 | satdav | it must not be installed on my vps |
| 22:07.27 | Iridos | it's not "oper" |
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| 22:07.34 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 22:08.12 | billy_ | satdav: yea you have a typo in the package name |
| 22:08.19 | satdav | OK thats it now |
| 22:08.35 | satdav | OK so thats the free java running |
| 22:08.57 | gypsymauro | I'm doing a P2V on vmware with a debian 3.1 guest, the guest can't boot I discovered is missing the LSI scsi module, I boot an ubuntu live CD and I mounted and chrooted the guest fs, now I'm compiling the kernel with the modules |
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| 22:09.18 | satdav | how do I tell if its a real version or fake |
| 22:09.21 | gypsymauro | with mkpkg it's enough then instasll the resulting .deb file? |
| 22:09.59 | satdav | of debrian |
| 22:11.39 | zapadlo | Hello, I tried installing firmware-linux-non-free but my display crashed as soon as tty changes res (can't remember the name) |
| 22:11.50 | gypsymauro | -quit |
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| 22:13.29 | zapadlo | KMS |
| 22:14.19 | MrFrood | !kms |
| 22:14.19 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 22:14.43 | satdav | am I better doing tar.gz or RPM version on debian |
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| 22:14.51 | Iridos | wouldn't that be a question for #debian-next on oftc? |
| 22:14.57 | jhutchins_lt | zapadlo: There is a black screen on boot that isn't an actual crash. Starts shortly after boot, lasts several seconds at least. |
| 22:15.18 | jhutchins_lt | satdav: What package? |
| 22:15.19 | Iridos | the firmware-linux-non-free stuff is wheezy, or not? |
| 22:15.30 | zapadlo | jhutchins_lt No no, It does reading from /dev and then the screen freeze with a noise pattern |
| 22:15.30 | satdav | openfire |
| 22:15.31 | Iridos | or was firmware separated for squeeze and I'm confusing stuff? |
| 22:15.36 | satdav | http://www.igniterealtime.org/builds/openfire/docs/latest/documentation/install-guide.html |
| 22:15.38 | satdav | their you go |
| 22:15.41 | satdav | thats the docs |
| 22:16.30 | jhutchins_lt | !openfire |
| 22:16.31 | dpkg | Openfire (previously Wildfire, Jive Messenger) is an <XMPP> server written in Java. RFP filed as Debian bug #429914. http://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/ #openfire on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:16.37 | Iridos | zapadlo, what graphics card/driver, when exactly does that happen |
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| 22:17.20 | Sevalecan | has anyone had issues with HDA Intel sound drivers being extremely quiet and changing available volume controls under the 2.6.38+ debian kernels (as opposed to 2.6.32)? |
| 22:17.21 | satdav | so their rfp filed a bug for it do you have the link to the bug |
| 22:17.27 | erkan^ | hello, is debian aviable for gnome 3? |
| 22:17.30 | erkan^ | is - have |
| 22:17.41 | jhutchins_lt | !gnome3 |
| 22:17.42 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>. |
| 22:17.51 | cyberpal | Hi - I've moved my Squeeze distro from one HDD partition to another - I've updated /etc/fstab |
| 22:18.09 | Iridos | !tell satdav -about bts |
| 22:18.12 | cyberpal | do I need to rebuild a new vmlinuz or initrd ? |
| 22:18.28 | Iridos | satdav, rfp is "request for packaging" |
| 22:18.33 | zapadlo | Iridos Ati 5450, driver I specified 'ati' in xorg.conf; After the initial boot, there is a point where there is a line, reading from /dev After that kms kicks in and resolution usually changes, only it doesn't. Screen freezes with a colourful noise pattern |
| 22:18.42 | erkan^ | dank je wel, jhutchins_lt (-: |
| 22:19.14 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, they've decided to put it in wheezy. |
| 22:19.27 | satdav | OK can we get it on the system |
| 22:19.33 | satdav | as it would be populer |
| 22:19.46 | satdav | also can you update the version of znc and putty |
| 22:20.03 | jhutchins_lt | satdav: RFP is Request For Packaging, already filed. |
| 22:20.03 | nkuttler | cyberpal: what do you mean you 'moved' your install? |
| 22:20.37 | satdav | OK |
| 22:20.41 | satdav | so when will it be added |
| 22:20.49 | jhutchins_lt | cyberpal: Possibly the initrd. |
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| 22:21.04 | jhutchins_lt | satdav: When it's ready, sooner if you help. |
| 22:21.38 | satdav | OK what do you nead help with |
| 22:21.46 | satdav | I can maybe help you guys |
| 22:21.48 | satdav | !volunteer |
| 22:21.49 | dpkg | Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help. |
| 22:22.00 | satdav | I want to volunteer with you guys |
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| 22:22.33 | satdav | I have got a bit of HTNL experience and I can get you guys some free space to test stuff on |
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| 22:23.42 | Iridos | zapadlo, so what you specify in xorg.conf doesn't actually matter because your problem occurs much earlier during boot... ? |
| 22:23.56 | jhutchins_lt | satdav: Start by reading through http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=429914 |
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| 22:24.56 | zapadlo | Iridos I assume so. It matters for KVM though |
| 22:25.46 | zapadlo | s/KBM/KMS/ |
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| 22:26.29 | Iridos | you think it checks xorg.conf on boot before xorg is ever loaded? |
| 22:27.10 | zapadlo | Iridos I don't think so, I would assume its specified elsewhere |
| 22:27.35 | zapadlo | Iridos I'll try disabling KMS and see if I can start X then |
| 22:28.03 | jhutchins_lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:28.03 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 22:28.42 | Iridos | zapadlo, the point is... it should say "radeon" in xorg.conf, I'd say... but from what you describe that wouldn't matter... did you see the wiki page at http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 22:29.06 | zapadlo | Iridos Yes, proprietory stuff... |
| 22:29.58 | zapadlo | Iridos Actually the link is really useful, thank you |
| 22:30.05 | Riviera | ls |
| 22:30.09 | Riviera | oops, sorry. |
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| 22:30.45 | simonlnu | 'proprietary' |
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| 22:31.22 | zapadlo | simonlnu Thanks, nighttime is detrimental to my type ability |
| 22:31.35 | zapadlo | s/type/typing |
| 22:31.41 | satdav | who do you speak to about getting debrian cloaks |
| 22:31.45 | simonlnu | np |
| 22:31.50 | cyberpal | nkuttler: I've mv * /media/newdrive |
| 22:32.13 | simonlnu | satdav: no one. dunno what this 'debrian' is |
| 22:32.37 | cyberpal | nkuttler: I also have ubuntu 11.04 & Win XP - with Grub2 on dis machine. |
| 22:32.45 | satdav | debian I mean |
| 22:32.50 | satdav | !cloak |
| 22:32.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cloak is a disguise for your IP address over the IRC network. or, what James Bond do, using his DB9 to make an impression on girls. |
| 22:33.09 | cyberpal | nkuttler: I just want to make sure that I can boot into it. |
| 22:33.24 | satdav | OK who do you speak to as I have a idea for a new suggestion for the site |
| 22:33.30 | cyberpal | jhutchins_lt: so how do I go about rebuilding initrd - can I do that from chroot? |
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| 22:36.48 | jhutchins_lt | update-initramfs |
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| 22:37.17 | jhutchins_lt | I honestly don't know if it's needed, or if you have to reconfigure anything first |
| 22:37.22 | satdav | how do you add info in the bot |
| 22:37.23 | Iridos | zapadlo, proprietary _firmware_ ... there's an additional link for the proprietary driver at the bottom (but I think you noticed).. and ... yw |
| 22:37.44 | satdav | as I am going to add a link on it how to download Mozilla firefox for debian |
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| 22:38.38 | jhutchins_lt | satdav: mozilla.debian.org |
| 22:38.51 | jhutchins_lt | satdav: iceweasel IS firefox. |
| 22:39.36 | cyberpal | jhutchins_lt: thanks! |
| 22:39.38 | Sevalecan | but it's illegal to say so |
| 22:39.40 | Sevalecan | ;) |
| 22:39.55 | jhutchins_lt | Sevalecan: No, not at all. |
| 22:40.25 | satdav | mozilla.debian.org is down |
| 22:40.49 | jhutchins_lt | satdav: It is not desirable to support installation from mozilla here. |
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| 22:41.03 | jhutchins_lt | satdav: It was up yesterday. |
| 22:41.05 | zapadlo | Iridos Yep, just trying w/o KMS right now |
| 22:41.18 | jhutchins_lt | satdav: Which is not to say it's not down today, they're working on the server. |
| 22:42.16 | zapadlo | Iridos Success! |
| 22:42.28 | satdav | OK I volunteer for sumo so I can help with support for debian firefox issues |
| 22:42.30 | zapadlo | Problem was with KMS, for whatever it was falling over |
| 22:42.33 | cyberpal | jhutchins_lt: jfyi - update-initramfs ran without errors - I'll let you know if boot was successful. |
| 22:42.39 | cyberpal | bbl |
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| 22:44.59 | Iridos | gn |
| 22:47.55 | eviljoker | simonlnu OK so I changed my ./config/user-dirs.dirs and now things are not on my desktop. Funny things is that the other dirs are not made. Also the file seems to go back to just showing Pictures and Desktop but the others are gone? |
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| 22:48.17 | eviljoker | simonlnu that was after a reboot |
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| 22:49.47 | eviljoker | ie even though I filled in Download the dirs.dirs looks like this after a reboot: XDG_DESKTOP_DIR="$HOME/Desktop" |
| 22:49.47 | eviljoker | XDG_DOWNLOAD_DIR="$HOME/" etc |
| 22:49.50 | cyberpal | jhutchins_lt: didn't work -- error in booting was: gave up waiting for root device. -- /dev/disk/by-uuid/blah - doesn't exit. |
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| 22:55.13 | erkan^ | debian 6.01a is installing now |
| 22:55.19 | erkan^ | I am curious |
| 22:55.20 | erkan^ | (-: |
| 22:57.38 | cyberpal | aha! - even though I used update-grub the initrd root=UUID was the old one :( |
| 22:57.43 | cyberpal | let's try again |
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| 22:58.30 | erkan^ | ow )-: |
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| 23:02.58 | eviljoker | sighhh how do you logout. I mean shutdown -hP now is still normal *nix |
| 23:03.21 | simonlnu | reboot? why? |
| 23:03.32 | eviljoker | Sound not have to reboot for this. |
| 23:03.49 | eviljoker | Sudo reboot |
| 23:04.15 | simonlnu | -P: Equivalent to --poweroff, unless --halt is specified. |
| 23:04.15 | eviljoker | I just want to logout of this user and then log back in. |
| 23:04.24 | MrFrood | su -c not sudo |
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| 23:04.34 | simonlnu | so you do that. you do not need to reboot the whole machine |
| 23:04.39 | eviljoker | -hP (halt then power) |
| 23:05.13 | simonlnu | -P: Equivalent to --poweroff, unless --halt is specified. |
| 23:05.16 | eviljoker | MrFrood your correct on that sry |
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| 23:06.07 | eviljoker | I can't use startx with gnome I see =/ |
| 23:06.22 | themill | you can't? |
| 23:06.31 | eviljoker | not with GDM |
| 23:06.47 | themill | err... if you're using gdm, what do you need startx for? |
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| 23:07.30 | jelly-home | to confuse themill! |
| 23:07.51 | eviljoker | Normally in OpenBSD or other windows managers that works fine. Then I start my networking with ie /etc/init.d/wicd |
| 23:07.58 | eviljoker | but this is Gnome |
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| 23:09.11 | eviljoker | anyway a simple logout cmd would be nice. Just not sure how to do it with this Windows Manager. |
| 23:09.40 | themill | Gnome has a menu with a dirty big "logout" option on it |
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| 23:10.05 | eviljoker | ahhh Ill look for that! thx themill |
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| 23:10.15 | Ramen1 | how do I down grade the kernel or build one with the big lock enabled? |
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| 23:10.54 | Krobar | Just wanted to say thanks for the help. After installing the Nvidia driver in recovery mode my system now works :) |
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| 23:15.55 | Proxy1 | Offtopic: Can someone tell me what is the word used for when I make my hand like punch and then my arm muscls becomes hard? what is the word for this hardening? English isn't my first language. Thanks. :D |
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| 23:16.27 | Ramen1 | flex |
| 23:16.38 | Proxy1 | Thanks. |
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| 23:16.48 | Ramen1 | now do i build a kernel with big lock enabled? |
| 23:16.59 | localtoast | when I use byobu to launch on logon, I can't run the X server until I disable start on login and log back in without byobu running. Why? |
| 23:17.33 | localtoast | startx complains about not having permission to start Xorg |
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| 23:18.21 | Proxy1 | Ramen1, I would read and see what is Big Lock used for. I don't know. Sorry. |
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| 23:26.28 | spowers | i have a squeeze system with root on LVM... kind of suck at grub2. can someone tell me if i'll need to reconfigure grub2 after renaming my LVM VG that contains the root fs? |
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| 23:34.08 | bencc | how can I find out which package in the repository depends on postfix? |
| 23:34.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | bencc: apt-cache rdepends postfix |
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| 23:35.36 | bencc | Kamping_Kaiser: this works only for installed packages, right? |
| 23:36.07 | hashi | hi I have squeeze and I installed vlc and libdvdcss vlc cannot read my /dev/sr0 device and I do not know what to do any tips ? |
| 23:36.36 | hashi | new to debian soz |
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| 23:37.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | bencc: no, all |
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| 23:38.23 | hashi | i messed with /etc/fstab no go either |
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| 23:39.10 | bencc | Kamping_Kaiser: can I see only from installed packages? |
| 23:39.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | bencc: add --installed |
| 23:40.26 | bencc | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks |
| 23:40.29 | hashi | nevermind |
| 23:40.30 | zapadlo | hashi Ix it mounted? |
| 23:40.39 | hashi | ah nope |
| 23:40.50 | hashi | i'll try |
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| 23:41.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | bencc: np |
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| 23:41.46 | bencc | Kamping_Kaiser: found out it's pbuilder. can I make it install without postfix? |
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| 23:43.36 | hashi | zapadlo: mount is failing there on /dev/sr0 so i roeckon you have spotted my problem should be easy now thanks |
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| 23:44.33 | zapadlo | hashi Nps |
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| 23:45.15 | themill | bencc: there's no strong dependency chain between pbuilder and postfix. What are you trying to do? |
| 23:46.12 | bencc | themill: when installing pbuilder it also installs postfix and I don't want it |
| 23:46.21 | bencc | themill: prepare my machine for creating debs |
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| 23:47.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | if you want to use reportbug or bts you'll need working email anyway... |
| 23:47.19 | themill | bencc: you would usually have some mail transport agent installed anyway (/msg dpkg why an mta); you may wish to avoid installing the recommends of devscripts (/msg dpkg apt recommends) |
| 23:48.55 | bencc | how is pbuilder related to postfix? |
| 23:49.04 | bencc | I don't see how it is related to devscripts |
| 23:49.37 | themill | bencc: "aptitude why pbuilder postfix" |
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| 23:51.33 | bencc | themill: nice :) |
| 23:51.49 | bencc | themill: is there a dummy mail server I can install to relax the postfix dependency? |
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| 23:52.00 | themill | bencc: /msg dpkg why an mta |
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| 23:52.38 | bencc | what does "/msg dpkg why an mta" do? |
| 23:52.50 | themill | dpkg: tell bencc about why an mta |
| 23:52.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | it sends a message to dpkg? |
| 23:53.03 | themill | bencc: it gets the bot "dpkg" to tell you something |
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| 23:53.54 | bencc | the bot in this irc channel? |
| 23:54.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: bot |
| 23:54.09 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 23:54.16 | themill | dpkg, greet bencc |
| 23:54.16 | dpkg | Hi there, bencc |
| 23:54.26 | aguitel | i installed gnome-core ,how install libreoffice? |
| 23:54.46 | themill | aguitel: libreoffice isn't in squeeze |
| 23:55.05 | aguitel | themill, i am in testing |
| 23:55.19 | themill | aguitel: so install it how you would normally install packages⦠|
| 23:55.33 | aguitel | but in command line? |
| 23:56.12 | themill | yes, if you want. Or using any graphical package manager if you want. |
| 23:56.31 | aguitel | ok |
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| 23:56.53 | themill | (as usual, aptitude will probably be a better choice than synaptic) |
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| 23:57.23 | bencc | themill: pbuilder->devscripts->bsd-mailx->mail-transport-agent which provides by postfix |
| 23:57.31 | zapadlo | Why do people prefer aptitude to apt-get? |
| 23:57.45 | bencc | themill: can I install a dummy mail server anywhere to not use a real one? |
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| 23:58.09 | themill | zapadlo: because it handles complex dependencies much better than apt-get. It keeps trying to solve problems when apt-get just gives up. |
| 23:58.21 | themill | bencc: as dpkg, said, look at nullmailer or ssmtp |
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| 23:59.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | bencc: the other question is why is it proveded by postifx? on debian exim provides mta |