| 00:00.00 | streuner | dselect, ask |
| 00:00.10 | streuner | apt, ask |
| 00:00.10 | apt | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 00:00.11 | lloowen | rudi_s: thanks for reply. |
| 00:00.20 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 00:00.24 | rudi_s | np |
| 00:00.49 | Angstrom_ | Thought so |
| 00:00.56 | Angstrom_ | How do I paste bin |
| 00:01.12 | streuner | !paste |
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| 00:01.49 | Angstrom_ | I have a problem with Audacity. When I try to change the playback device to ALSA: default and ALSA: default sound card (0:0), it sounds very tinny |
| 00:02.30 | Naphidia | holy firmware updates batman for dell |
| 00:03.20 | Naphidia | i think ill install windows to use the update utility and then wipe it |
| 00:03.22 | Naphidia | holy crap |
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| 00:03.47 | streuner | heh |
| 00:04.10 | Angstrom_ | Try listening to the sound file at http://www.mediafire.com/?db7iytlg1w4h8bg to see what I mean |
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| 00:04.35 | Angstrom_ | How do I change it so that it doesn't sound tinny, it sounds like it's already capturing and playing it back at the same time |
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| 00:05.49 | lloowen | I suspect that my Debian5 VPS has been compromised, how should one check? What should I check for in the log files? Can anyone recommend a good site that can shed light on this subject. I am using fail2ban and I can see numerous attempts at brute force attacks on my port 22. So I changed my ssh port to something else. |
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| 00:09.25 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 00:10.14 | rudi_s | lloowen: If you have a good password in place (if possible only keybased login), no unecessary daemons running, all security updats installed - then brute force attempts aren't be a problem. |
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| 00:16.09 | CyL | Evening folks... trying to decide on the best thing to do on installing a new Debian system on my personnal laptop: should I go with stable, or testing (I know squeeze was just released, but I'm afraid I'll have greater pains on the long run as it ages), and also, I would like to have a system on top of LVM, on top of a LUKS AES encrypted partition... |
| 00:17.32 | CyL | last time i tried squeeze I was not able to get this setup working since the installer medium didn't have the AES drivers |
| 00:17.35 | pthomas__ | Cyl, I would boot a squeeze live CD and check graphics, sound, wifi etc..., if it woks go with squeeze |
| 00:18.19 | CyL | pthomas__: even loosing functionality on the long run as the distro ages? |
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| 00:18.43 | little_owl | Cyl: I am solving *exactly* the same problem now. I have decided for Squeeze, it should be easy to switch to testing. The question is, if your HW is fully supported in Squeeze. |
| 00:18.54 | by73r0bb3r | hey there. im trying to play a dvd with mplayer but it wont play anything except my Jesus cd, which i think is encrypted?? it wont play movies from the store.... |
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| 00:20.22 | CyL | little_owl: well, I believe I'll have some issues with the wifi (which is broadcom) and the graphics (which is nvidia), but I have made some searches and believe both are usable in squeeze with some effort |
| 00:21.08 | CyL | little_owl: and what do you mean by exactly the same problem? the lvm+luks issue? |
| 00:21.23 | Bushmills | lloowen: if your system has been compromised, log files or program output are unreliable - they may have been tampered with |
| 00:21.42 | un214 | depends on how badly |
| 00:21.42 | little_owl | I don't use LVM, but luks works nicely for me. |
| 00:22.09 | CyL | little_owl: how's your luks setup? |
| 00:22.13 | daemonkeeper | by73r0bb3r: DVDs are encrypted. Unfortunately there is no free and legal way to play DVDs on Linux, since it is impossible to get a key for GPL software. You might want to try libdecss instead |
| 00:22.25 | CyL | aes-xts + sha512? |
| 00:22.37 | lloowen | Bushmills: I guess I'd better do a reinstall! |
| 00:22.54 | little_owl | Manually. man cryptsetup |
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| 00:23.25 | CyL | little_owl: Sure, but what settings did you user for th cipher? |
| 00:23.32 | dirkson | Hey all. I install libopenal-dev , and yet I don't seem to have alut.h anywhere on my system. Why is that? |
| 00:23.35 | un214 | if I recall the current libdecss code was keyed in from public record of court filings before they were sealed |
| 00:24.23 | izua | hey there, i have a problem with my webcam. http://imgur.com/xeJFM |
| 00:24.27 | izua | the picture on top was taken in windows. the picture on hte bottom was taken on debian, with cheese |
| 00:24.31 | izua | the webcam is reporting 640x480, but the quality says otherwise. it's a pixart chipset camera (manufactured bygenius, model islim 300), reported vid/pid pair 093a:2700 |
| 00:24.31 | by73r0bb3r | fixxt! |
| 00:24.58 | by73r0bb3r | geez, if i want to take over the internet i better stop asking questions about how to play a dvd ;;-) |
| 00:25.13 | by73r0bb3r | *sniff* giggles |
| 00:25.36 | daemonkeeper | dpkg: tell by73r0bb3r about libdvdcss |
| 00:25.37 | little_owl | CyL: I am afraid I don't understand what problem you have. |
| 00:25.51 | by73r0bb3r | yeah i got it |
| 00:25.56 | daemonkeeper | ok |
| 00:27.45 | CyL | little_owl: last time I tried the provided installer media (squeeze was beta at that time), it didn't have the needed drivers for deploying LUKS with a AEX-XTS + SHA512 setup |
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| 00:29.55 | mordocai | First off, I have googled this but since it is so opinion based I wanted to get more opinions and I like the people usually on this IRC channel :). I want to set up a SOHO mail server (yes, my ISP seems nice about this: it is very small) so I was wondering: Using a Debian Stable server, what mail server package would be recommended? Mainly concerned with ease of configuration and stability. Secondly, I will need to buy a domain name and activate MX. Any |
| 00:29.56 | mordocai | suggestions on who to go through for that? |
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| 00:32.19 | little_owl | OK ... I understand now. I encrypt only the home partition, so I allocated space for it, installed the system and after that I setup the encrypted home partition. |
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| 00:35.39 | mindwalk | how do i use fsck with file system options? like encryption=aes |
| 00:36.22 | CyL | mindwalk: to get your fs encrypted, just enabling an option won't do the trick... |
| 00:36.50 | daemonkeeper | Wouldn't that be fun? :) |
| 00:37.13 | mordocai | mindwalk: If i'm understanding what you want correctly, this should point you in the right direction I think: http://askubuntu.com/questions/8566/errors-when-performing-fsck-on-encrypted-partition-in-recovery-mode |
| 00:37.30 | mindwalk | CyL: someone encrypted a file system with aes module |
| 00:37.42 | mindwalk | mount -o encryption=aes /dev/md0 /home/ -t ext3 |
| 00:37.51 | mindwalk | and it asks for a password |
| 00:38.02 | un214 | so how do you fsck that? |
| 00:38.04 | mindwalk | but i need to do an fsck on that file system now.. not sure how to pass that option to fsck |
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| 00:38.36 | daemonkeeper | you don't at all |
| 00:38.51 | CyL | mindwalk: I believe this will only work if the filesystem was encryptes with cryptsetup (withous luks) |
| 00:39.07 | DasEi | mindwalk: is it luks aes ? |
| 00:39.42 | mindwalk | DasEi: i don't believe so, isn't luks done with the cryptsetup command? this is using the kernel's aes module |
| 00:39.55 | DasEi | mindwalk: yes, it is |
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| 00:40.05 | DasEi | this can be fsck'ed |
| 00:40.06 | daemonkeeper | There is also loop-aes and others. |
| 00:40.22 | un214 | does losetup -e work? |
| 00:40.54 | mindwalk | i'll try that in a few minutes, i'm waiting for someone to give me the crypt key first :P |
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| 00:41.24 | fr0stbyt3 | i've got the netinst iso mounted in virtualbox and options are: Install, Graphical install, Advanced options. which one for minimal, mini, basic, command-line, non-X.org? |
| 00:42.23 | CyL | mindwalk: sudo file -s /dev/partition |
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| 00:43.27 | mindwalk | CyL: /dev/md0: data |
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| 00:44.27 | little_owl | A stupid question: Howto list the files in packages? Like "rpm -ql XXXXX", but for dpkg .... |
| 00:44.40 | CyL | mindwalk: paste the whole output from the file command |
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| 00:45.31 | mindwalk | that is the full output |
| 00:45.32 | mindwalk | [root@x11 ~]# file -s /dev/md0 |
| 00:45.33 | mindwalk | /dev/md0: data |
| 00:45.33 | mindwalk | [root@x11 ~]# |
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| 00:45.37 | DasEi | fr0stbyt3: advanced, expert |
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| 00:47.33 | fr0stbyt3 | @DasEi thanks |
| 00:48.47 | DasEi | fr0stbyt3: you simply can deselect any software, then you get a bare terminal after boot |
| 00:49.18 | CyL | mindwalk: I believe you have to open your device with the device mapper first to get to the filesystem you want to check... |
| 00:49.31 | CyL | mindwalk: is this araid array, or something the like, right? |
| 00:49.59 | fr0stbyt3 | DaeEi: got it, thank you. I remember this from Ubuntu mini but wasn't sure how to go to it |
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| 00:50.46 | mindwalk | CyL: it's a raid array. i just got it working with losetup -e, i'll fsck now.. thx |
| 00:51.15 | CyL | mindwalk: np |
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| 00:51.50 | jhutchins_lt | little_owl: dpkg -L <package> |
| 00:52.22 | little_owl | jhutchins_lt: Thanks, I just found it. |
| 00:52.36 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg -l <searchstring> to find the package. |
| 00:52.36 | dpkg | ii <searchstring> to find the package. 1.3-11.2 jhutchins_lt's private porn collection |
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| 00:52.53 | jhutchins_lt | little_owl: dpkg -S <file> to find out what package a file is from |
| 00:52.53 | CyL | !ops |
| 00:52.54 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
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| 00:53.38 | little_owl | jhutchins_lt: Thanks! It helps a lot. |
| 00:53.57 | CyL | oops, this was just the bot, I got a bit confused |
| 00:54.18 | jhutchins_lt | little_owl: It's not quite as capable as rpm, but with some of the extra tools you can do pretty much anything. |
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| 00:55.49 | jhutchins_lt | little_owl: debsums can do something like rpm -V |
| 00:56.40 | little_owl | jhutchins_lt: Does deb use signatures? |
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| 01:05.58 | jhutchins_lt | little_owl: It doesn't checksum the installation like rpm, but it does check the packages it downloads. |
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| 01:08.50 | little_owl | jhutchins_lt: OK ... but the file with checksums seems to be signed. pm checks signature, not checksums - you have to have a public key. |
| 01:09.01 | little_owl | rpm |
| 01:09.45 | jhutchins_lt | little_owl: Each repository has it's own key, and all the packages in that repo are signed with that key. |
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| 01:32.56 | rideh | is there a tool for fixing file perms system wide? |
| 01:33.17 | woonix | fixing? |
| 01:33.36 | woonix | did you go crazy and just change everything, or what? |
| 01:34.38 | Bushmills | rideh: yes. the debian installer |
| 01:36.33 | rideh | yeah unfortunately a friend was on a server i was setting up |
| 01:36.41 | rideh | saw everyone had read access across the board |
| 01:37.14 | rideh | he removed read access to everything, which broke stuff. he then gave read access back to everything and now i cant ssh into my server |
| 01:37.17 | rideh | he's still logged in |
| 01:37.18 | rideh | -_- |
| 01:37.57 | Bushmills | pkill -u your_friends_account will take care of that |
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| 01:38.54 | rideh | any idea on how i can make dpkg fix everything? |
| 01:39.40 | Bushmills | everything? like feed the poor, and protect the innocent? |
| 01:39.50 | rideh | give me a handjob while its at it |
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| 01:40.28 | Bushmills | there's no simple fix. restoring permissions from a backup would do |
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| 01:49.19 | DasEi | rideh: try dpkg --configure -a |
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| 01:52.50 | rideh | DasEi, reconfigures all packages? |
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| 01:53.40 | DasEi | rideh: yes, casee dpkg itself got disturbes |
| 01:53.44 | rideh | DasEi, didn't do anything just returned to prompt |
| 01:53.45 | DasEi | d* |
| 01:54.14 | DasEi | rideh: so packagemanagement is in order |
| 01:54.31 | rideh | seemed pretty fast. |
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| 01:56.45 | DasEi | rideh: on your ssh issue, can only try to locally purge and re-install affected packages |
| 01:57.22 | DasEi | aca openssh-server, /etc/shh/ and on.. won't work remotly oc |
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| 01:58.15 | rideh | DasEi, the private keys were exposed and ssh was throwing errors |
| 01:58.17 | rideh | fixed that |
| 01:58.30 | rideh | think i may be back in shortly |
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| 02:00.02 | ultra | oh noes. "varnish" package description contains marketing o.O |
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| 02:09.20 | rideh | ok got it back together. that was silly |
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| 02:10.55 | likevinyl | is away: yo no soy millonari... uds. son pobres. |
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| 02:11.50 | wad | Can I use dd to make an identical copy of a RAID partition? sdc1 belongs to a RAID5, but it's failed out. I'm going to try and restore it. But first I'm wanting to make a copy of it. Not sure about working with drives on this level though... maybe "dd if=/dev/sdc1 of=/dev/sde"? Should I make sure there are no partitions on e first? |
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| 02:12.56 | wad | looks around hopefully |
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| 02:17.05 | woonix | wad: If there are partitions on e, then that would blow away the partition table |
| 02:17.29 | wad | That's fine.... would the data from sdc1 be put into a new partition? |
| 02:17.36 | wad | I'm not sure how the mechanics of this work at this level. |
| 02:17.48 | wad | Both drives are the same size (2TB) |
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| 02:18.04 | wad | Would it create a new partition on e? What would it be called? |
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| 02:18.35 | Strav`` | Hi. Anyone here got lsyncd to do his job against a locally mounted samba share? |
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| 02:18.53 | wad | Actually, what I'd really like to do is make a perfect backup of the drive, with the parition table. |
| 02:19.49 | woonix | I wouldn't do it like that though, since /dev/sdc1 refers to a partition and /dev/sde the whole drive. You can just write it to a regular file by using of=/path/myfile.img |
| 02:20.06 | woonix | so if you have a partition on sde mounted somewhere, you can save the image there |
| 02:20.18 | wad | ah |
| 02:20.33 | woonix | does /dev/sdc1 use up the whole drive? |
| 02:20.44 | wad | But since the drives are the same size, it won't fit... yes, sdc1 uses up the whole drive. |
| 02:20.59 | wad | Maybe I should just "dd if=/dev/sdc of=/dev/sde"? |
| 02:21.07 | woonix | that should work |
| 02:21.12 | wad | okay, here goes! |
| 02:21.28 | izua | hey there, i can't get my webcam to work right. http://imgur.com/xeJFM bottom picture is how it looks |
| 02:21.35 | woonix | after you dd you can try doing a fdisk -l /dev/sde to list the partitions to see if it created one |
| 02:21.37 | izua | any tips? couldn't find anything by googling |
| 02:22.21 | wad | woonix, cool. |
| 02:22.36 | izua | i think it works in 160x120 only, for some reason. |
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| 02:24.43 | wad | wooden, can you suggest any parameters to make it work faster, better, or something? A recommended block size, perhaps? |
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| 02:25.46 | wad | just takes the defaults |
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| 02:34.37 | leahcim | Hi folks, I have reason to believe that one of the patches Debian applies to php5 causes one of the (not-built-in-debian-builds) modules to FTBFS |
| 02:34.42 | WormFood | why would an suid program not change to the proper user/group upon execution? |
| 02:35.10 | simonrvn | WormFood: that's still going on, eh? |
| 02:35.22 | WormFood | yeah, I took a break over the weekend, and didn't work on it |
| 02:35.29 | WormFood | but still driving me crazy |
| 02:35.37 | WormFood | it defies logic |
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| 02:37.45 | simonrvn | it's like you said, a c based wrapper for the script? |
| 02:38.02 | WormFood | right |
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| 02:39.12 | simonrvn | maybe it "sees" what it's calling and refuses to run it that way? i know ikiwiki (e.g.) just writes out a c script for the cgi, and has code to handle the suid/sgid |
| 02:40.18 | WormFood | the script it running, but it is running as the wrong user |
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| 02:41.06 | jbwiv | guys, I'm considering downloading a pre-compiled static binary for wkhtmltopdf. What's the safest way to make sure the binary is clean of malware? |
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| 02:41.26 | simonrvn | run clamav on it? |
| 02:41.37 | WormFood | no |
| 02:41.40 | WormFood | not yet |
| 02:41.47 | jbwiv | simonrvn, yes, I've done that. didn't know what else I should do... |
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| 02:42.32 | DasEi | jbwiv: paranoid ? rkhunter before n after install |
| 02:42.59 | simonrvn | i don't recall it handling rootkits though... might want to run tiger or some other thing on it |
| 02:43.14 | DasEi | or strace the compile (duck) |
| 02:43.16 | nvz | just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you... |
| 02:43.29 | simonrvn | be careful with rkhunter though, it *occasionally* produces false positives |
| 02:43.38 | jbwiv | ok, thanks guys |
| 02:43.40 | DasEi | yes |
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| 02:53.03 | paijo | hello |
| 02:53.38 | nvz | paijo: hello |
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| 02:55.38 | paijo | nvz: i'm newbie here.. can you help me configuring samba4 on debian |
| 02:56.29 | nvz | paijo: perhaps |
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| 02:56.36 | nvz | !newbie |
| 02:56.36 | dpkg | [newbie] someone who is new to linux or debian, and should read the docs (/usr/share/doc/) |
| 02:56.44 | nvz | !n00b |
| 02:56.44 | dpkg | i heard n00b is l33t jargon for newbie. |
| 02:56.57 | leahcim | smirks. |
| 02:57.05 | nvz | loves dpkg |
| 02:57.46 | Strav`` | rofl is a brand of chips |
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| 02:58.50 | nvz | I think thats Ruffles |
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| 03:01.29 | Linda | hello guys. I am kind of new to BASH. With a BASH script I need to run git and then change to the dir that it makes and run ./configure. How on earth do you do this. Yes I am a noob =) |
| 03:02.39 | Dewi | Linda: scripts are just a series of commands like you would enter manually |
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| 03:03.22 | Dewi | Linda: if you google up a tutorial there will be simple examples |
| 03:04.01 | nvz | Linda: if you could give a specific example perhaps we could be of more help |
| 03:04.06 | Linda | /home/linda/liu/ git://git.liu.se/lexor.git |
| 03:04.30 | Linda | did not really work all that well. The other stuff does though. |
| 03:04.58 | simonrvn | cd dir\ngit clone foo\n./configure |
| 03:05.13 | simonrvn | obviously doesn't do any sort of checking.... |
| 03:05.40 | simonrvn | sh scripting is almost like typing stuff on your term |
| 03:05.52 | Linda | simonrvn thats would be wonderful if it works. The next step was a checkinstll --pkgname=blahblah |
| 03:06.09 | simonrvn | try it |
| 03:06.12 | Linda | =) |
| 03:06.16 | Linda | Thx |
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| 03:07.00 | simonrvn | you'll see why you need to do checking |
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| 03:24.16 | nvz | does anyone have any idea how the update manager fetches its changelogs? It's not working on either of my two squeeze boxes and it doesn't seem like it uses apt-listchanges. I'm not sure how to debug. |
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| 03:34.49 | The_Ball | is dnscache dropped from squeeze? |
| 03:35.12 | Arrowmaster | ,,versions dnscache |
| 03:35.23 | Arrowmaster | ,,version dnscache |
| 03:35.24 | Linda | simonrvn Dewi nvz Thx guys I got the script running like clockwork now =) |
| 03:35.35 | Arrowmaster | why do i always screw it up |
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| 03:36.04 | nvz | ,versions dnscache |
| 03:36.06 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'dnscache' was found in i386. |
| 03:36.51 | Arrowmaster | its one , now? i thought it was two |
| 03:37.10 | The_Ball | there is tinydns and dnscache |
| 03:38.10 | nvz | Arrowmaster: uh, no.. all the bots use a singe character for their trigger, judd is a comma |
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| 03:38.21 | nvz | ~hello |
| 03:38.21 | apt | Howdy Bub |
| 03:38.26 | nvz | !hello |
| 03:38.26 | dpkg | Hi, nvz! |
| 03:38.47 | nvz | I don't think judd is as friendly.. heh |
| 03:38.49 | nvz | ,hello |
| 03:38.59 | nvz | nope.. he's a different breed |
| 03:39.21 | dvs | ,stupid bot |
| 03:39.39 | nvz | apt, botsnack |
| 03:39.39 | apt | nvz: :) |
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| 03:39.55 | nvz | dpkg, botsnack |
| 03:39.56 | dpkg | nvz: thanks |
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| 03:41.06 | simonrvn | must be mirror pulse/dinstall going on right now... |
| 03:41.21 | simonrvn | yeh np Linda |
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| 04:10.44 | piercedwater | Anyone know where I can find info about contributing to the Debian.org site? Specifically designing. |
| 04:15.48 | nvz | piercedwater: http://www.debian.org/devel/website/ |
| 04:16.15 | piercedwater | nvz: thanks. I signed up for the mailing list :) |
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| 04:18.52 | rjsalts | so the nvidia-glx in experimental has a dependency on xorg-video-abi-8.0, anyone know if another version is pending in unstable or experimental that will work with the xorg in unstable? |
| 04:19.22 | nvz | !sing sussudio |
| 04:19.22 | dpkg | sings "Su, su, sudio...Su, su, sussudio" |
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| 04:20.18 | nvz | rjsalts: why would you be subjecting yourelf to the pain of using nvidia-glx from experimental? |
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| 04:20.52 | rjsalts | nvz: why would I be subjecting myself to unstable a few weeks after a release? |
| 04:21.07 | nvz | yeah my thoughts exactly |
| 04:22.21 | rjsalts | nvz: It's not been so bad, but X transition means I either hold all of X or use nvidia-glx from experimental |
| 04:23.08 | nvz | and I hear black tea is good, but what does that have to do with anything? |
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| 04:37.17 | engla | can I use "import ssl" in my GPLv3+ program? (because python's ssl module uses openssl which is incompatible with GPL(?)) |
| 04:37.40 | engla | and yeah this program is in the debian repo too (although no version using ssl is there yet) so the question is relevant |
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| 04:41.56 | piercedwater | Can someone suggest a cli newsreader that assembles binaries after downloading? |
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| 04:49.42 | Rusty1 | piercedwater: google suggests http://packages.debian.org/stable/news/brag |
| 04:49.54 | piercedwater | ty sir |
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| 04:50.26 | Rusty1 | thank GIYF |
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| 04:51.53 | jelly-home | engla: you'll have to use a different license if you want the thing to still be distributable, namely, "GPLv3 with an OpenSSL exception" |
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| 04:54.28 | engla | ok yeah it looks like it. I that case I will have to externalise the ssl use though instead |
| 04:55.17 | jelly-home | the methodology of linking shouldn't really matter. But you'd be better asking about this on debian-legal list\ |
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| 04:55.19 | engla | jelly-home: it's hard to draw the line, since the 'ssl' module is in python's standard library. If the application uses urllib.urlopen on an https url maybe I'm unknowingly using 'ssl'? |
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| 04:56.01 | engla | for example, httplib.HTTPSConnection is a pretty obvious but indirect use of openssl in the stdlib |
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| 04:57.52 | Dewi | piercedwater: sabnzbd is not technically cli, but not desktop either, it's a web interface |
| 04:58.08 | piercedwater | hmm interesting |
| 04:58.44 | Dewi | piercedwater: it's good with the automation and very popular, even if the UI is a bit crap |
| 04:58.59 | engla | jelly-home: I have already lost! I'm using urllib.unquote since lots of releases and urrlib unconditionally imports the ssl module. |
| 04:59.08 | piercedwater | hmm, i didnt see it in apt. ill try to compile if brag doesnt work |
| 05:01.21 | Dewi | piercedwater: it's written in python, so the python source bundle can be chucked in /opt and run from there |
| 05:01.39 | Dewi | (or wherever you like. Might need a recent python tho, can't remember) |
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| 05:02.58 | Dewi | piercedwater: ooh actually, the squeeze package is almost up to date, and wheezy's is. I keep forgetting squeeze has shipped... I am yet to upgrade |
| 05:03.48 | Dewi | piercedwater: package is called sabnzbdplus these days |
| 05:03.57 | piercedwater | ohhh |
| 05:03.57 | piercedwater | ok |
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| 05:04.40 | piercedwater | I think brag will work |
| 05:04.44 | piercedwater | thanks for trying though |
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| 05:49.51 | borei | hi all, im new one with debiean |
| 05:49.58 | borei | debian (sorry) |
| 05:50.18 | borei | just installed dpkg, but it complains about status file |
| 05:50.31 | borei | `/usr/local/var/lib/dpkg/status' |
| 05:50.45 | borei | do i need to generate it somehow ? |
| 05:50.56 | streuner | /usr/local/? |
| 05:51.15 | borei | i installed dpkg from source on my LFS |
| 05:51.26 | streuner | nvm then :-) |
| 05:51.32 | borei | need to install severla deb packages |
| 05:52.03 | borei | how to get that file ? |
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| 05:56.51 | borei | juast created empty files |
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| 06:17.09 | yoshio | borei: I googled for "lfs /usr/local/var/lib/dpkg/status", see http://www.thewireframecommunity.com/node/9 , it looks like you need ./configure --prefix=/usr --admindir=/var/lib/dpkg -- when compiling dpkg (I think) |
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| 06:20.01 | yoshio | borei, then there is http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/hints/downloads/files/dpkg.txt , which recommends something different |
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| 06:20.28 | Angelous | would it be safe to install debian on the same hardrive as windows? |
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| 06:21.38 | cahoot | Angelous: linux doesn't hurt other os'es |
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| 06:22.01 | ElDiabolo | Angelous, Yes. Do you need to change partitioning? |
| 06:22.35 | Angelous | no, i've already setup 3 partitions, one for windows, one for data, and one for linux |
| 06:22.55 | Angelous | i'm just afraid to try and do it, cuz last time I tried installing linux on the same drive as windows it formatted all the partitions |
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| 06:36.52 | behel1t | if I want TRIM support, do I have to compile my own kernel |
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| 06:39.06 | ElDiabolo | behel1t, hdparm may be able to do that, too. |
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| 06:43.22 | ElDiabolo | behel1t, hdparm --trim-sector-ranges, but it needs a list of sectors to zero and the man page warns that it is "EXCEPTIONALLY DANGEROUS" |
| 06:44.31 | behel1t | i see, in my opinion the discard method in 2.6.33 is much more elegant, is my only option for that function to compile a newer kernel myself? |
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| 06:45.23 | ElDiabolo | behel1t, There may be a backported kernel ..... someday. |
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| 06:45.43 | behel1t | ElDiabolo ty |
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| 07:39.38 | Koterpillar | I want clients connecting via VPN to share the server's internet connection, can anyone recommend a guide? |
| 07:40.47 | Dewi | Koterpillar: should be essentially a normal NAT situation |
| 07:40.56 | Dewi | or ipmasq, as we used to call it |
| 07:42.10 | Dewi | Koterpillar: the client needs to have a top-priority default gateway added with the IP address of the server |
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| 07:42.45 | Koterpillar | The client is an Android device >.< Its only proxy option is "set up vpn", which I just assume will work |
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| 07:48.34 | o0ze | Koterpillar: an Android device can work normal as any other network device no need for VPN or proxies, look into iptables |
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| 07:48.35 | valdyn | !internet connection sharing |
| 07:48.35 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ . The ipmasq package was removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #538384. |
| 07:48.35 | valdyn | uh |
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| 07:48.35 | valdyn | judd: versions ipmasq |
| 07:48.35 | judd | Package ipmasq on i386 -- lenny: 4.0.8-7 |
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| 07:48.37 | Koterpillar | I'm not on the same network as the server, so I assumed I needed VPN to route my traffic through the server |
| 07:48.37 | Koterpillar | The one I'm on is... hostile |
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| 07:48.37 | valdyn | Koterpillar: just like any vpn has to set the route to the vpn it can set the default route |
| 07:48.37 | valdyn | Koterpillar: ... on the client android device |
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| 07:48.52 | joltcan | Koterpillar: openvpn ftw! then just iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -s your.vpn.ip.add/network -o server-public-ethX -j MASQUERADE |
| 07:49.17 | joltcan | or PPTP for phones (they usually have that built in) |
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| 07:49.51 | Koterpillar | joltcan, every OpenVPN guide I found assumes I have a network I want to join, which I don't - just a lone server |
| 07:50.20 | joltcan | Koterpillar: Yeah, but you just have to set up the server, and do the iptables thing |
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| 07:50.38 | joltcan | Koterpillar: and make sure that all traffic goes through the VPN, but that is configured on the client side. |
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| 07:51.09 | joltcan | Koterpillar: I use the above solution myself, but then I run a small proxy server for http, so on my laptop I run Firefox -> VPN -> tinyproxy -> Interoebbs |
| 07:51.42 | joltcan | Koterpillar: And in firefox I configured the server vpn endpoint IP address as the proxy server address |
| 07:52.08 | Koterpillar | So when I pick addresses in OpenVPN, I just get them off the top of my head, no virtual adapters or anything? |
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| 08:00.34 | Koterpillar | Oh, I get it now. |
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| 08:08.40 | Bushmills | Koterpillar: --redirect-gateway. you may have to take care of picking a resolver which works from outside the client ISP. |
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| 08:15.52 | trebuchet | okay, where is a simple ftpd? I downloaded the netkit-ftpd, and inetutils-ftpd, but there is no binary - sometimes no manpage! I just need to throw files at another machine via a crossover cable. |
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| 08:16.58 | stockholm | trebuchet: scp? |
| 08:17.09 | Koterpillar | trebuchet, rsync? |
| 08:17.26 | stockholm | apache? |
| 08:17.47 | trebuchet | dear lord, ftpd seems the simplest. I'm going to have to read rsyncd |
| 08:18.07 | trebuchet | i was trying to write a script with netcat |
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| 08:18.19 | trebuchet | (it didn't work) |
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| 08:26.33 | ronny | hi, im toyin with installing a good ol debian using debootstrap from inside my running system, is there any documentation on reaching roughly the same effect as the installer |
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| 08:33.08 | Mandor | Is there still no way to cross-upgrade from x86 to amd64? |
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| 08:34.01 | Arrowmaster` | no |
| 08:34.02 | willemb | I have a problem sith a init script. Activemq starts fine when run /etc/init.d/activemq start, but it does not even try to start at startup. even though the links in rc.d are there |
| 08:34.28 | Frenky | Hello, is there a way to get rid of packages my system does not use any more? |
| 08:34.43 | Mandor | Frenky: apt-get remove $package? |
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| 08:35.19 | Sm0ke0ut | eventually combined with --purge to remove the configuration files as well |
| 08:35.26 | hogren | hello |
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| 08:35.33 | daemonkeeper | Mandor: This is not about support but possibilities. Its just way to dangerous to do it reliable. If you believe you know what you're doing, there are howtos .... |
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| 08:36.00 | hogren | I need to ask you a small question |
| 08:36.27 | hogren | I search a open source and free of money Mail Service |
| 08:36.31 | Frenky | Mandor, I used a software which installed about 250 packages =) I configured it, but as far as i can tell some packages I do not use are still in the system and running (some usb,dhcp stuff I never used) |
| 08:37.44 | willemb | aptitude show deborphan |
| 08:37.52 | hogren | not for a server wich I will install... But on existant web site where we can suscribe. |
| 08:38.04 | rdz | hi all. since debian squeeze i get an an error when trying to set the io niceness level with ionice: ionice: ioprio_set failed: Operation not permitted. is this a known problem? |
| 08:38.54 | hogren | rdz : Are you root ? |
| 08:39.03 | rdz | hogren, yes |
| 08:39.23 | hogren | ok so it's the end of my competences :) |
| 08:39.24 | rdz | hogren, ionice -c3 ls |
| 08:39.24 | rdz | ionice: ioprio_set failed: Operation not permitted |
| 08:39.36 | hogren | :) |
| 08:39.39 | rdz | hogren, thanks anyway... |
| 08:39.44 | daemonkeeper | hogren: What's wrong to choose one of the 129389123 available MTAs? |
| 08:40.12 | jelly-home | daemonkeeper: nothing as long as you choose postfix |
| 08:40.17 | hogren | daemonkeeper, I search a web service |
| 08:40.20 | daemonkeeper | jelly-home: word |
| 08:40.26 | Mandor | daemonkeeper: I want to be able to upgrade from x86 to amd64 for systems at remote sites (i.e. on other continents.) |
| 08:40.28 | hogren | not a server package |
| 08:40.30 | rdz | i can reproduce that on any squeeze machine.. (and it works on any lenny machine without problems) |
| 08:41.13 | Mandor | One of the things that really attracted me to Debian over various other (ironically, for money) OSs was that I could upgrade over a WAN link. |
| 08:41.14 | daemonkeeper | hogren: What exactly do you expect from an email "web service"? I mean, what shall that be? |
| 08:41.22 | jelly-home | Mandor: that functionality is not going to be available soon. You can do a separate install and migrate your apps and data |
| 08:41.36 | Mandor | I really wish there was a way to go x86->amd64, safely, too. :( |
| 08:41.42 | daemonkeeper | I doubt it will ever be available. |
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| 08:42.03 | leahcim | Odd, ionice -c3 ls works for me on all the squeeze boxes I tried... |
| 08:42.21 | rdz | is anyone able to use the command ionice on a debian squeeze installation? |
| 08:42.21 | hogren | I want to subscribe to a open source mail service, which offers pop and smtp server |
| 08:42.25 | jelly-home | daemonkeeper: multiarch would enable or at least simplify it a lot |
| 08:42.51 | rdz | leahcim, thanks.. that is good to know |
| 08:42.51 | Mandor | daemonkeeper: thanks. |
| 08:43.00 | rdz | leahcim, may i ask use which kernel you're using? |
| 08:43.07 | daemonkeeper | Mandor: Again, it is just too risky to do that reliable. It is a huge mess and a huge effort. As said, if you think you know what you are doing: There are howtos. |
| 08:43.12 | leahcim | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 08:43.20 | rdz | leahcim, ok. many thanks |
| 08:43.36 | daemonkeeper | Mandor: Howeverer this is not supported by Debian in any way. |
| 08:43.59 | Mandor | daemonkeeper: I'm pretty handy with Linux generally, but the howtos I've seen for this give a lot of warnings that it's dangerous. I'm looking to see if Debian hopes to improve this any time soon. . . |
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| 08:45.36 | jelly-home | Mandor: you could ask again in 3-5 years or help making it happen? |
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| 08:47.54 | daemonkeeper | hogren: You mean, you want apt-get install become-a-mail-provider? |
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| 08:52.14 | Frenky | hogren: take a look at iRedMail - its ready to use. But before starting I suggest to learn the basics. |
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| 08:52.53 | Mandor | jelly-home: or, since I have more money than time, I could pay someone else to figure it out. . . Does Debian have a projects bounty? |
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| 08:54.19 | daemonkeeper | http://www.debian.org/donations |
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| 08:54.43 | daemonkeeper | However, for a problem in particular, you might want to ask a particular project instead |
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| 08:55.34 | Mandor | The donations page seems oriented towards general altruism, not "if you can solve problem X, I'll pay you $500." |
| 08:56.11 | trebor_dki | hello. i may have a distribution depending kde problem. on fresh installs (debian6 kde4.4.5) the task manager is not able to switch to tasks which are not on the current desktop. on upgraded systems this works. does someone have a hint for me? |
| 08:56.32 | Frenky | Mandor: look at some freelance sites, or like daemonkeeper said - look for an existing project which may be connected to your isue and ask the maintainer if he would take your request |
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| 08:58.18 | Frenky | Mandor: you also have to consider that the maintainer can demand to publish the work he done for you. And this isn't going to be just 500$ ;) |
| 08:58.19 | dutchfish | hi, how can i create a skeletion file for CreateHome in proftpd/mysql setup since SQLHomedirOnDemand is deprecated; and have it attach the right dir permissions? (debian/squeeze) |
| 08:59.16 | Mandor | Frenky: I'm perfectly happy with the maintainer publishing any work that is done. |
| 08:59.33 | Mandor | And yes, I know it might cost >$500. |
| 09:00.01 | Mandor | In fact, I hope that it does get published and/or incorporated into Debian, so I don't have to do anything extra to utilize it. |
| 09:00.36 | daemonkeeper | Mandor: You might want to ask http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-amd64/, the dpkg/apt people or similar. |
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| 09:03.49 | Frenky | Mandor: From personal experience, real guru-developers charge 145-170$/hour. here is the mailing-list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/ maybe its worth a try to ask them |
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| 09:04.11 | Mandor | Frenky: thanks! |
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| 09:07.49 | trebor_dki | did anyone else do a fresh debian6 (kde 4.4.5) install? |
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| 09:13.58 | babilen | trebor_dki: Many people I guess |
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| 09:15.31 | robertzaccour | how come so many linux users hate Ubuntu? Isn't it strange that the most liked Linux distro is also the most hated? |
| 09:15.43 | sterna | no, not at all |
| 09:16.05 | robertzaccour | i guess groups find it popular to pick on the top dog |
| 09:16.09 | trebor_dki | babilen: i only need one, to confirm / or help me to solve my problem with the task-manager (only on fresh debian6 & kde4.4.5 installs) |
| 09:16.42 | sterna | linux users tend to have strong opinions and i think it's quite normal |
| 09:16.59 | babilen | robertzaccour: no such hate here. And, frankly, I regard such a sentiment as foolish and childish. This holds true for bashing of Microsoft or Apple products (M$ and the like) (and yes, #debian-offtopic is the better channel for that question) |
| 09:16.59 | sterna | i don't think they pick on the top dog |
| 09:17.11 | trebor_dki | i think the problem is in kwinrcs, but i am not sure. |
| 09:17.12 | sterna | they just disagree with ubuntu's decisions |
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| 09:17.53 | robertzaccour | but nobody chats in debian-offtopic though |
| 09:17.57 | babilen | trebor_dki: You might want to ask your real question then. I am not using KDE and can't help you with it, sorry. |
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| 09:19.03 | sterna | and i don't think it's offtopic in #debian to talk about philosophical differences between technically very similar distributions |
| 09:19.08 | babilen | robertzaccour: *shrug* I did, but you've already left the channel. |
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| 09:19.33 | trebor_dki | babilen: i already asked my real question: fresh install debian6&kde4.4.5 task-manager not able to switch to tasks which are not on the current desktop (#kde saying that this may be distribution depending). |
| 09:19.48 | simonrvn | smells troll anyway |
| 09:19.49 | sterna | trebor_dki: that's normal, it's in the settings somewhere |
| 09:19.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | sterna: if its a philosophical discussion its probably offtopic, as this is a support channel |
| 09:20.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | simonrvn: aye |
| 09:20.41 | sterna | yeah, i guess you're right, sorry |
| 09:21.04 | trebor_dki | sterna: i obviously did not find it /yes i was looking multiple times/.... you may give a hint? |
| 09:21.16 | sterna | just a sec |
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| 09:21.38 | SNow | how can i install php 5.2 on debian squeeze? |
| 09:21.55 | SNow | after upgrade all the websites that were coded with php5.2 went with errors. any help? |
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| 09:22.51 | simonrvn | there's docs on how to migrate to php 5.3.x |
| 09:23.07 | SNow | I want to migrate from 5.3.x to 5.2.x |
| 09:23.09 | SNow | right now |
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| 09:26.13 | simonrvn | sighs |
| 09:26.29 | SNow | is there no way to do this? |
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| 09:27.26 | simonrvn | 1) don't be demanding, it gets you ignored 2) why would you want to make things worse? |
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| 09:28.15 | Dewi | SNow: you should fix the apps |
| 09:28.51 | babilen | Hasn't PHP 5.2 EOLived? |
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| 09:29.03 | Dewi | babilen: not yet, actually |
| 09:29.29 | Dewi | babilen: oh. Actually they EOLed it, then released one more |
| 09:29.43 | Dewi | babilen: so I guess it's EOLed... again :P |
| 09:29.47 | babilen | Dewi: Ah, I interpreted "This release marks the end of support for PHP 5.2. All users of PHP 5.2 are encouraged to upgrade to PHP 5.3." (5.2.16 notes on the php website) as if it were |
| 09:30.01 | babilen | Dewi: Zombie apocaplypse :) |
| 09:30.19 | babilen | apocalypse even |
| 09:30.21 | Dewi | babilen: yeah, I didn't notice at first because that's not actually the final release they did |
| 09:31.29 | Dewi | SNow: anyway PHP 5.2 isn't going to receive fixes anymore, you need to upgrade for your security |
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| 09:33.43 | babilen | I have never touched PHP, but I guess that it might be possible to install PHP 5.2 locally in /usr/local (using stow for example) and convince apache (or $HTTPD) to work with it. I would regard that as a bad way to deal with the bugs in the applications though. |
| 09:34.00 | Dewi | I guess technically the debian builds will be monitored by the security team until 2012-02, but the PHP team isn't going to be helping them at this point |
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| 09:36.10 | Dewi | anyway, the practical side is dpkg doesn't support downgrades. Do it at your own risk. |
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| 09:36.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | jujugre: |
| 09:36.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | oops |
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| 09:36.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | jujugre: sorry for the ping |
| 09:36.53 | jujugre | Kamping_Kaiser: hi, no prob |
| 09:37.10 | babilen | would probably run lenny (in a vm for example) for the time it takes to fix the problems the applications have with 5.3 .. |
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| 09:37.33 | Dewi | babilen: yeah, that'd be the simplest way |
| 09:37.50 | Dewi | babilen: (and stands a reasonable chance of getting security issues addressed) |
| 09:37.56 | babilen | exactly |
| 09:38.12 | Dewi | babilen: or a debootstrap, heh |
| 09:38.27 | trebor_dki | sterna: did you find anything? |
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| 09:39.56 | Dewi | SNow: the practical (but security in your own hands) way is to use the lenny source package and build your own transported binary packages, like this: |
| 09:39.59 | Dewi | !ssb |
| 09:39.59 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 09:40.33 | Dewi | SNow: and purge all PHP related packages before attempting to install any of it |
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| 09:44.18 | stimpie | is there a console based tool to manage services just like bum? |
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| 09:48.57 | sterna | trebor_dki: yeah, http://bou.si/rest/listwindows.png |
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| 09:59.00 | SNow | Dewi: can't jsut take from backports and dpkg -i ? |
| 09:59.31 | SNow | simonrvn: sorry or being demanding, did want to look like that |
| 10:00.39 | SNow | Ok, one more question, what can be with encoding? DB - UTF8, php.ini - UTF8, apache charset - UTF8, my.cnfcharacter-set-server = utf8 default-character-set = utf8 |
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| 10:01.17 | SNow | but after upgrading from lenny to squeeze the one website is showing bad charset |
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| 10:06.08 | Dewi | SNow: no, because it's the opposite of a backport, it's a forwardport, and there's no repo for that :P |
| 10:06.29 | SNow | Ok, understood, I'll upgrade the app, but the issue is with charsets now. |
| 10:07.21 | nevyn | Dewi: volatile |
| 10:07.23 | Dewi | SNow: impossible to identify without examining the whole stack |
| 10:07.42 | SNow | Dewi: the thing is that everything was just fine till the upgrade |
| 10:07.59 | SNow | what's more i did a check of php.ini my.cnf /etc/apache2/* from backups with the old ones and they are the same |
| 10:08.05 | Dewi | SNow: apache probably should not have a charset, in my opinion |
| 10:08.38 | banex | \o |
| 10:08.48 | Dewi | SNow: maybe PHP's defaults changed |
| 10:08.56 | salahuddin66 | SNow: try dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 10:09.09 | SNow | locales are set to ALL |
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| 10:09.44 | themill | the usual problem in these cases is that the phpâmysql connection isn't set to utf; /msg dpkg mysql utf8 |
| 10:10.02 | SNow | it's utf8 ;/ |
| 10:10.08 | SNow | set charset utf8 |
| 10:11.09 | salahuddin66 | SNow: themill may be right. check /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini and also the locales for the mysql database you are using. |
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| 10:11.50 | themill | This is usually a setting you have to make inside the php code itself, although you can do it from the mysql config, no-one usually does |
| 10:12.40 | SNow | locales are set to "all", set names utf8 is done also, my.cnf is set to utf8, php.ini has defaultcharset utf8 |
| 10:12.56 | themill | is the data in the database actually in utf-8? |
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| 10:16.14 | salahuddin66 | SNow: if you have phpmyadmin, you may brows the stored data in mysql to check the encoding. |
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| 10:17.14 | SNow | show create table news; - default char - utf8 |
| 10:17.22 | SNow | show create table auctions ; - default char - utf8 |
| 10:17.27 | SNow | www.topbid.lt |
| 10:17.56 | dak221 | i did modprobe radeon and using 'radeon' as driver in xorg.conf (generated from trisquel) but it says no devices found when running startx, any suggestions? |
| 10:18.11 | simonrvn | it's easy to set itserver side, but client side is usually more of a pita |
| 10:18.30 | simonrvn | "set it "* |
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| 10:21.58 | SNow | I haven't touched the DB, or the files, or the configuration, I just did apt-get dist-upgrade from lenny to squeeze |
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| 10:23.50 | Dewi | SNow: yes, major upgrades contain changes. Read the documentation of the various components. |
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| 10:25.45 | Tobias| | Is there anyway I can make use of Ubuntu's alternately-styled repositories in debian? i.e. 'ppa:kilian/f.lux' |
| 10:26.35 | Dewi | Tobias|: I'm not aware of any safe way to deal with the policy differences. |
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| 10:27.03 | Tobias| | How annoying :( |
| 10:27.07 | Tobias| | Thanks |
| 10:27.23 | themill | ,info redshift |
| 10:27.26 | judd | Package redshift (x11, extra) in squeeze/i386: Adjusts the color temperature of your screen. Version: 1.2-3; Size: 18.4k; Installed: 112k; Homepage: https://launchpad.net/redshift |
| 10:27.45 | themill | Tobias|: ^^ quite similar to f.lux but actually free software |
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| 10:28.04 | SNow | Dewi: I believe this will be the issue with the code, it's too old for the 5.3.2 and that's why it doesn't shown ormally |
| 10:29.05 | Dewi | SNow: PHP could just have different default settings |
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| 10:29.23 | SNow | Dewi: mysql_set_charset( helped... |
| 10:29.55 | gintek | hi folks, i have nonstadard deb package, how i can find what option was use in ./configure ? |
| 10:30.01 | esteste | My only other computer is a school loaned computer with an internet filter (ContentProtect).. i want to install b43-fwcutter on my own computer but make isn't included and I can't install make because I have no internet access and I don't have internet access because I didn't install b43-fwcutter and I have no other way to do so.. what do I do now? |
| 10:30.07 | esteste | What a conundrum |
| 10:30.15 | Dewi | gintek: can you get the source package? |
| 10:30.22 | gintek | Dewi: yes |
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| 10:33.03 | iulhk | anybody has any idea about (Warning: stream_socket_client() [function.stream-socket-client]: unable to connect to ssl://gateway.sandbox.push.apple.com:2195 (php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: Name or service not known) in /test.php on line 21 |
| 10:33.35 | RichiH | now _that_ was a random question |
| 10:33.37 | Dewi | gintek: unpack the archive and check in the debian/ directory |
| 10:33.59 | Dewi | gintek: should be files including 'rules' that control the build |
| 10:34.32 | jargon- | is there anyway to list the most recently installed pkgs? |
| 10:35.00 | Dewi | jargon-: check in /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 10:35.27 | jargon- | Dewi: thanks |
| 10:37.51 | gintek | Dewi: thx a lot |
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| 10:43.18 | mongrol | ello? |
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| 10:43.45 | mongrol | ah, thought it was weird being quiet |
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| 10:49.20 | dimhee | debian not see iriver e30.i am stupid format her(( |
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| 10:49.29 | dimhee | need help |
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| 10:54.07 | qknight | hello. what is the idea of the debian relese policy? is it to keep certain versions stable and supported as long as possible to NOT have to merge configuration files from a previous version? |
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| 10:55.25 | hogren | Please a tiny question |
| 10:56.22 | hogren | to reply to a bug, we needn't pseudo-head ? |
| 10:56.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | hogren: reply? no. just email the right address |
| 10:56.58 | hogren | ok thx ! |
| 10:57.18 | qknight | oh just found http://release.debian.org/etch/rc_policy.txt |
| 10:58.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | hogren: np |
| 10:58.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: ru |
| 10:58.35 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here. |
| 10:58.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | dimhee: perhaps try ^^ |
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| 11:24.31 | flo` | after upgrading debian lenny to squeeze, i have a problem with my cpufreq setup |
| 11:25.04 | flo` | cpufreq-info tells my that my cpu supports 600MHz - 1400MHz, however the governor is only using 600-1000 (which is true; my system is dead slow) |
| 11:25.14 | flo` | cpufreq-set -u 1400MHz does not help |
| 11:25.36 | flo` | i can set the upper freq to 800MHz, that works. but if i set it to 1400MHz, it's clipped to 1000MHz |
| 11:25.49 | flo` | how can i make it use frequencies greater than 1000MHz? |
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| 11:40.34 | dachary | Hi, I would like to read about the best practices to maintain a Debian GNU/Linux distribution derived from the official (squeeze for instance). I.e. maintaining and synchronizing a dozen of official packages with custom patches applied. |
| 11:41.06 | dachary | I suppose it's not very different from what Unbuntu does. Except their methodology is complex and intimidating ;-) |
| 11:41.17 | pinkisntwell | i have been trying for the past few days to remove grub 1.97 and go back to lenny's grub. it seems i can't. the grub-pc package is reported as uninstalled in aptitude, but my computer still boots with 1.97. the problem now is that i can't configure grub anymore, because it shows up as uninstalled. how can i rectify this situation? |
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| 11:58.21 | blast_hardcheese | Damn, wish pinkisntwell had stayed around, I would have liked to help |
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| 11:58.35 | blast_hardcheese | If only people weren't demanding of immediate answers |
| 11:58.46 | blast_hardcheese | like waiting 15 minutes is going to kill them |
| 11:58.57 | Bus3rr0r | lol |
| 11:59.12 | KIRKS | I know this isn't debian related; Does anyone else get screen corruption with the latest adobe flash? |
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| 11:59.38 | Bus3rr0r | not that I have noticed |
| 11:59.47 | KIRKS | are you running r152? |
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| 12:00.22 | uoods | KIRKS: that shit crashes on me all the time |
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| 12:00.55 | KIRKS | uoods, mine doesn't crash just causes screen corruption which requires X to be refreshed :/ |
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| 12:01.37 | uoods | KIRKS: as in solitare/windows-like screen corruption? |
| 12:01.41 | Bus3rr0r | SWF version 10.1 r999 |
| 12:02.06 | KIRKS | you might want to update that :/ they're on 10.2 |
| 12:02.10 | uoods | Flash 10.2 r152 |
| 12:02.16 | Bus3rr0r | yeah I know |
| 12:02.27 | Bus3rr0r | they update it every damn day |
| 12:02.35 | Bus3rr0r | or it seems like it |
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| 12:02.47 | KIRKS | Well it is a vulnerable POS |
| 12:03.13 | uoods | can't wait for webm |
| 12:03.22 | KIRKS | why wait |
| 12:03.34 | uoods | ff 4 isn't out yet |
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| 12:04.18 | uoods | no, I don't like chrome et. al, I love noscript+abp+vimperator |
| 12:04.33 | KIRKS | You could always try the beta. Also the release candidate was uploaded to mozilla's FTP recently |
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| 12:07.23 | trebuchet | I can't force my gigabit cards into using 1000BaseTX media transfer, and both NICs(they're connected via a Cat5 cross-over) support gigabit. I have no Cat6 cables. |
| 12:07.47 | trebuchet | I'm using 'ifconfig <interface> media <whatever>' and mii-tool |
| 12:07.50 | trebuchet | No dice. |
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| 12:08.40 | trebuchet | They're both Atheros, one is a 5xxx the other an 8xxx |
| 12:09.50 | arumaniac | I install gosa and some plugins and my iceweasel is not the same as the original state. Anyway to rebuild it to the original state? |
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| 12:12.08 | blast_hardcheese | trebuchet: Pretty sure cat5 can't support and maintain gigabit speeds, unless you have like cat5e or something |
| 12:12.49 | trebuchet | blast_hardcheese: I'm not sure if it is cat5 or cat5e, it is a recent cable - I believe it came with a new router or docsis3 modem I bought. |
| 12:12.51 | petemc | cat5e is very common, i would say its the norm |
| 12:13.05 | trebuchet | So then, what would be the problem? |
| 12:13.07 | trebuchet | :\ |
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| 12:13.30 | petemc | trebuchet: what does dmesg say when the link comes up? what does ethtool say? |
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| 12:13.46 | blast_hardcheese | trebuchet: What mode are they operating in? 100 baseT? |
| 12:13.57 | trebuchet | petemc: let me see, interfacing with this machine is slowing down because of 10MB/s coming in on my platters from a local ftp upload |
| 12:14.04 | trebuchet | blast_hardcheese: yes, 100bastT |
| 12:14.19 | trebuchet | oh god wtf ufw |
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| 12:15.24 | trebuchet | Okay so dmesg isn't going to give me anything without a reboot. I'm reading the manpage for ethtool and daaaaaaamn |
| 12:15.41 | petemc | ethtool ethN |
| 12:15.45 | blast_hardcheese | Uh... dmesg isn't going to give you anything without a reboot? |
| 12:15.47 | blast_hardcheese | o_O |
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| 12:15.56 | petemc | probably overwritten |
| 12:16.09 | trebuchet | blast_hardcheese: it was spammed by ufw(I had no idea this was running. gufw lied when it said it was off). |
| 12:16.43 | trebuchet | supported and advertised link modes for the interface I am using include "1000baseT/Full" |
| 12:16.52 | trebuchet | Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes |
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| 12:17.03 | trebuchet | Speed is 100Mb/s |
| 12:17.17 | trebuchet | Autonegotion is ON |
| 12:18.00 | trebuchet | # ifconfig eth0 media 1000baseT |
| 12:18.02 | trebuchet | Unknown media type. |
| 12:18.03 | trebuchet | :( |
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| 12:18.46 | petemc | trebuchet: try using ethtool -s ethN speed 1000 |
| 12:19.30 | trebuchet | uh oh |
| 12:19.33 | trebuchet | petemc: you there? |
| 12:19.43 | petemc | yes |
| 12:19.49 | trebuchet | strange, just coincidence |
| 12:19.54 | trebuchet | too many wifi dongles |
| 12:20.19 | trebuchet | well |
| 12:20.21 | trebuchet | dmesg has something new: |
| 12:20.36 | trebuchet | [124173.261982] e1000e: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex, Flow Control: RX/TX |
| 12:20.37 | trebuchet | :\ |
| 12:20.49 | petemc | presumably you have a gigabit switch? |
| 12:20.51 | trebuchet | It gave no error/output when I had ethtool set the speed to 1k |
| 12:21.08 | trebuchet | petemc: No, this is a crossover between two gigabit NICs. I plan to set them both to gigabit speeds |
| 12:21.17 | petemc | could try turning off autoneg |
| 12:21.18 | trebuchet | however, autonegotiation... I'll need to turn that off |
| 12:21.22 | blast_hardcheese | Do you have any non-crossover cables? |
| 12:21.52 | trebuchet | blast_hardcheese: well let me try turning off autonegotiation. Unless I can press enter on changing the speeds with ethtool on both boxes VERY FAST |
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| 12:25.09 | trebuchet | ffffff, ethtool is not available on this other machine(something Ubuntu LTS). So I used "mii-tool -F 1000BaseT" and it, despite turning off negotiation, went back too 100base-tx-fd |
| 12:26.15 | Cozminsky | trebuchet: mii-tool doesn't support gig ethernet |
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| 12:27.15 | trebuchet | "ethtool -A eth0 autoneg off" on this machine gave no errors, and then setting "ethtool -s eth0 speed 1000" seemed to have no effect, dmesg still reports it going up with 100mbits. I assume it would kill the connection because the other side wont play gigabit. |
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| 12:27.20 | ronny | hi |
| 12:27.27 | trebuchet | Cozminsky: Damn. And I can't get ethtool on the other box. |
| 12:27.38 | trebuchet | well, maybe |
| 12:27.43 | blast_hardcheese | trebuchet: Try a different cable |
| 12:27.56 | blast_hardcheese | Your crossover might be legacy, considering there are no gig-e crossover cables |
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| 12:28.02 | ronny | i suppose im missing something, i installed a debian via debootstrap, but now that the desktop system is installed, network-manager wont scan the wlan |
| 12:28.32 | blast_hardcheese | ronny: Consider yourself lucky, Network Manager usually comes configured to screw up everything |
| 12:29.04 | trebuchet | blast_hardcheese: i'll get another cable and set the connections manually before linking up |
| 12:29.09 | trebuchet | also i don't use network manager |
| 12:29.11 | trebuchet | it is crazy |
| 12:29.16 | ronny | blast_hardcheese: it tends to work quite well for me, but im coming from ubuntu |
| 12:29.17 | trebuchet | i like openbsd's ifconfig |
| 12:29.33 | ronny | i just like to have a simple ui for switching wlans often |
| 12:29.36 | blast_hardcheese | ifconfig + iwconfig + wpa_supplicant + wpa_cli/wpa_gui |
| 12:29.38 | ronny | and wicd failed me |
| 12:29.48 | trebuchet | or... just ifconfig |
| 12:29.52 | blast_hardcheese | wpa_supplicant + wpa_cli/wpa_gui are awesome. |
| 12:30.01 | trebuchet | ifconfig is awesome, on openbsd |
| 12:30.03 | trebuchet | okay i'll shut up |
| 12:30.08 | blast_hardcheese | trebuchet: Oh yeah, let me join this wpa network with ifconfig |
| 12:30.18 | trebuchet | blast_hardcheese: You can... on OpenBSD |
| 12:30.20 | blast_hardcheese | hold on, there's got to be an option... |
| 12:30.21 | ronny | hmm, anyway, iwlist scan also wont work |
| 12:30.34 | ronny | and due to my current setup i need to reboot to try things |
| 12:30.48 | blast_hardcheese | trebuchet: Hmm... |
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| 12:30.49 | ronny | (one laptop, messy ubuntu and the new debian) |
| 12:31.12 | blast_hardcheese | trebuchet: OpenBSD has some kind of standard daemon for handling wpa? |
| 12:31.15 | robokop | ronny: one laptop two OSes, sounds like a dirty vid |
| 12:31.15 | blast_hardcheese | If so, that's awesome. |
| 12:31.17 | Naphidia | anyone aware of a update utility for bios for debian for dell poweredge 1950 series servers |
| 12:31.35 | Naphidia | and actually firmware in general... looks like it needs updates... |
| 12:31.43 | blast_hardcheese | Naphidia: What do the usual BIOS utilities come as? .exes? |
| 12:31.53 | ronny | robokop: well, there arent many ways to install a shiny new system while still using the old one to get stuff going |
| 12:31.58 | trebuchet | blast_hardcheese: I don't know how it works. It does. I can connect to WPA2 networks and everything, only thing it lacks is enterprise auth 802.11x or whatnot/RADIUS |
| 12:32.10 | Naphidia | or do i need to setup my own tftp server... |
| 12:32.36 | ronny | hum, anything that doesnt support wpa2 enterprise will fail for me (university wlan) |
| 12:32.46 | trebuchet | ronny: Yeah. |
| 12:32.47 | blast_hardcheese | Naphidia: dnsmasq = dhcp + dns + tftp. Setup is a breeze, one line to uncommit in the shipped config to enable TFTP |
| 12:33.20 | blast_hardcheese | Naphidia: If you can get .exes, you may consider using syslinux+netboot+freedos. That's usually how I flash my systems. |
| 12:33.30 | ronny | i dont really want to handle textfiles with plaintext passwords |
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| 12:35.23 | Naphidia | mmk ill give it a try, i only discovered dell openmanage yesterday |
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| 12:35.45 | tuggle | hi, I'd like to create a boot partition on a usb key using gpt and bios |
| 12:36.14 | tuggle | For that I create a 200K bios partition and then a small linux data partition for /boot |
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| 12:37.10 | tuggle | if that is correct where do I install Grub2 now? In /dev/sdb or a partition? |
| 12:37.25 | Bushmills | ronny: debootstrap |
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| 12:39.24 | ronny | Bushmills: im done with that, it already boots |
| 12:39.24 | Naphidia | anyone know of a free chat for dell poweredge users ? |
| 12:39.40 | Naphidia | I got some questions on firmware o_O and im wrapping my head around a pole |
| 12:39.55 | ronny | Bushmills: but as long as i have no idea why the wlan wont even scan its not exactly usefull (and i cant get a cable) |
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| 12:42.14 | Bushmills | ronny, firmware-linux |
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| 12:42.47 | blast_hardcheese | Possibly even firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 12:42.51 | welker | how can I allow users to switch their window environment in gdm3 (e.g. to fluxbox) |
| 12:43.06 | ronny | blast_hardcheese: its a intel chip, it should just work |
| 12:43.07 | blast_hardcheese | welker: It's in a little menu at the bottom of gdm3 |
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| 12:43.11 | Bushmills | yes, that's the nice thing about speculating without having any information |
| 12:43.31 | ronny | hmm |
| 12:43.51 | blast_hardcheese | Bushmills: If only all information was available upfront, then we'd just be able to answer the question without speculating at all! |
| 12:43.53 | brando | hi all, im trying to reassemble a raid array, chroot, and run update-initramfs. However I am not able to mount sys in busybox: mount -o bind sys mountpoint --> invalid argument. Can somebody help me. Thanks in advance |
| 12:44.06 | welker | blast_hardcheese, i only see the universal access preferences button |
| 12:44.07 | Naphidia | man... way way too much firmware to update for this crap |
| 12:44.22 | blast_hardcheese | welker: Even when they click their name? |
| 12:44.28 | Bushmills | blast_hardcheese: but that would make a support channel much too helpful |
| 12:44.30 | blast_hardcheese | I get one in gdm3 under lenny |
| 12:44.53 | blast_hardcheese | Bushmills: Either that or it would mean the people asking questions actually knew how to gather information to make answering questions easier |
| 12:45.13 | welker | blast_hardcheese, I see it now. thanks :-) but this is not very obvious |
| 12:45.22 | Bushmills | now what for a twisted world would that be |
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| 12:46.46 | blast_hardcheese | welker: No worries, I can't tell you how many times I've bypassed that by accident |
| 12:47.00 | ronny | hmm |
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| 12:47.34 | welker | blast_hardcheese, I like the old gdm much more |
| 12:48.20 | ronny | hmm, any suggestions for docs on how to propperly use /etc/network/interfaces? the manpage is too technical/concise for my current understanding |
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| 12:48.51 | petemc | ronny: zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 12:48.54 | Bushmills | "use"? you run a text editor and edit it. |
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| 12:49.56 | ronny | Bushmills: i really just need/want it out of the way for network-manager |
| 12:49.57 | blast_hardcheese | ronny: /etc/network/interfaces is the same on Ubuntu, there are probably plenty of questions and answers or guides or stuff on Ubuntu help forums |
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| 12:51.01 | blast_hardcheese | bleh. |
| 12:51.08 | trebuchet | blast_hardcheese: One of the interfaces does not support autoneg off. I changed cables to a cat5e patch UTP, and set speed 1000 via ethtool on both. Not working. Meh. |
| 12:51.35 | blast_hardcheese | trebuchet: That sucks. cat5e should work. |
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| 12:51.51 | blast_hardcheese | trebuchet: Reboot both boxes to clear out the mess that has been made? |
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| 12:52.17 | blast_hardcheese | Either that or /etc/init.d/networking restart on both boxes, at the very least |
| 12:52.50 | trebuchet | blast_hardcheese: heh, i can just down the interfaces. I'm not having to turn them off to get my 100mbits between them. It isn't too much data, by now it would have been done. Oh well. |
| 12:53.34 | trebuchet | blast_hardcheese: well, I have no clue if debian makes things dirty when you mess around like this. Did some random shell script set some odd defaults? "reboot to fix the mess/problem" seems so... Windows. |
| 12:54.03 | petemc | if the link is still up you should be fine |
| 12:54.09 | trebuchet | The driver wouldn't let me turn off autoneg |
| 12:54.14 | trebuchet | petemc: and it is, functioning as it was before |
| 12:54.26 | trebuchet | the foray was a failure this time, i'll deal |
| 12:54.35 | trebuchet | I'd be okay with 10mbits, I could just go to sleep. |
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| 12:54.50 | trebuchet | At least I have connectivity. I spent a year with dialup. Then another with a lossy satphone. |
| 12:54.56 | blast_hardcheese | trebuchet: Unfortunately "I've been having problems getting X to work correctly. I've tried Y times to fix the problem." gets the system into such an unknown state that sometimes you end up spending more time backtracking when a simple reboot would fix everything |
| 12:55.26 | trebuchet | blast_hardcheese: well, the state is now known, everything seems to be back to normal. I didn't open a text editor to reconfigure anything. |
| 12:55.37 | trebuchet | I'll reboot anyway, soon. |
| 12:55.46 | trebuchet | Just after I'm done mirroring files over ftp |
| 12:56.07 | blast_hardcheese | That's fine. I'd be interested to see if the cat5e cable fixed everything |
| 12:56.32 | blast_hardcheese | since you were trying to force gig-e over non-cat5, which failed |
| 12:56.39 | trebuchet | thanks for the help blast_hardcheese, petemc. and you too Cozminsky for letting me know that mii-tool would have gone nowhere(no gigabit support) |
| 12:57.10 | blast_hardcheese | trebuchet: Heh, not a problem. Sorry I couldn't help |
| 12:57.11 | trebuchet | blast_hardcheese: is a cross-over not just a different wiring layout within a cabling standard(like cat5e?) |
| 12:57.26 | trebuchet | You did. I didn't know where to start. :) |
| 12:57.38 | arjun | Hi, I have a problem with udisks in Debian. |
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| 12:58.04 | petemc | trebuchet: i think mii tool may have been updated to handle gigabit |
| 12:58.06 | petemc | fwiw |
| 12:59.48 | arjun | When I try to mount a drive using udisks, it fails. But I am able to mount the same disk using mount. |
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| 13:01.59 | trebuchet | petemc: I have no idea what these tools are. I just would like one command to handle it all. GNU/Linux is very hard for me :( |
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| 13:02.55 | petemc | trebuchet: you could conceivably have the same issues tying to get gigabit with x over on windows, theres a lof of variables |
| 13:03.17 | arjun | Please, any idea how udisks mount a file-system? |
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| 13:03.37 | trebuchet | petemc: I've never really used windows that much though. i'm sort of comparing it to bsd. old, slow moving, but simpler. bsd auth vs linux-pam etc |
| 13:04.05 | delby | hi. when i was using iceweasel on lenny, any flash (i think it was flash) items on a web page were not loading automatically until i pressed the play sign. can i do the same in squeeze? |
| 13:04.13 | petemc | trebuchet: well, you could definitely have those issues in bsd :) |
| 13:04.57 | trebuchet | petemc: Sure. I'm not blaming anything. Maybe computers should be simpler. Like a TV. A programmable one. |
| 13:05.23 | petemc | maybe, least it works to some degree |
| 13:06.35 | trebuchet | petemc: absolutely, i'm satisfied. |
| 13:06.52 | trebuchet | I've never tasted gigabit before. My new router will still have only fastethernet :| |
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| 13:07.49 | petemc | [New I/O server worker #1-1] TRACE 00:24:57.223 Renderer Playstation 3 have an estimated network speed of: 512 Mb/s |
| 13:07.53 | petemc | gigabit is nice :) |
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| 13:09.21 | abrotman | delby: you were using a different "flash" |
| 13:09.37 | abrotman | delby: sounds like you were actually using swfdec or gnash |
| 13:10.18 | delby | abrotman: i see, so i cant make flashplugin-nonfree behave in the same way now? |
| 13:11.12 | Trewas | delby: install flashblock add-on, it does exactly that |
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| 13:11.37 | abrotman | delby: not directly .. tehre are plugins as Trewas mentioned |
| 13:11.50 | abrotman | Adobe thinks you always want to see flash :) |
| 13:11.53 | mAniAk-_- | mm |
| 13:12.28 | delby | thanks. will install plugin :) |
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| 13:15.05 | bjacob | Hi, debian sid upgrade yesterday broke nvidia driver (xorg newer than supported by nvidia debian package). Where to look for help? |
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| 13:18.33 | jelly | bjacob: it's sid. Have you checked the bug reports? |
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| 13:22.15 | consumer | Hello |
| 13:22.31 | consumer | How can I instruct Grub2 to boot an ISO file on the hard disk? |
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| 13:24.19 | bjacob | jelly: indeed, i seem to be hitting http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=612956 |
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| 13:31.28 | consumer | How can I instruct Grub2 to boot an ISO file on the hard disk? |
| 13:31.40 | blast_hardcheese | consumer: syslinux |
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| 13:32.21 | petemc | consumer: is this for an installation? |
| 13:32.23 | blast_hardcheese | Look at the files provided by syslinux, one of them should be a CD boot thing. I know there definitely is one for floppy, I've never used the CD one (if it even exists) |
| 13:32.24 | consumer | no |
| 13:32.46 | blast_hardcheese | I am pretty sure there is a cd boot one though. |
| 13:32.48 | consumer | I have Linux installed on a computer and want also be able to boot LiveCDs on it when I power it up, and choose from the grub2 menu |
| 13:33.06 | abrotman | http://michael-prokop.at/blog/2009/05/25/boot-an-iso-via-grub2/ ... google ? |
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| 13:34.25 | consumer | thx but it doesnt work for me |
| 13:34.38 | consumer | always hangs with the message "mouting root device", and the hdd led is blinking |
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| 13:37.59 | Frenky | when I want to ssh by using a keyfile stored in one folder what is my command look like? ssh user@host /home/public/id_rsa.pub? |
| 13:38.15 | petemc | ssh -i file.pub |
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| 13:40.07 | sha_ | no, not .pub |
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| 13:40.17 | sha_ | but -i is right |
| 13:40.27 | petemc | yes, needs private, my mistake |
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| 14:05.26 | project2501a | is there a way to tell apt to tell the f*!$*#$#ing java package "yes, the user accepts the license by default" instead of having to log into every single server cuz i need to allocate a ptty? |
| 14:06.11 | justin_ | project2501a: yes |
| 14:06.30 | project2501a | aha. -t |
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| 14:06.39 | akssps011 | Hi, I am seeing a square with some numbers in place of some texts in debian 6 |
| 14:06.58 | akssps011 | *square boxes with random numbers |
| 14:07.13 | justin_ | they're not random |
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| 14:07.59 | akssps011 | justin_: may be correspond to some characters |
| 14:08.24 | justin_ | no, they definitely correspond to some characters |
| 14:08.39 | project2501a | now if dsh would pass the option to ssh |
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| 14:08.54 | themill | project2501a: you can preseed your answer to that question into debconf. Whether that is legal or not is between you and Oracle ... |
| 14:09.19 | akssps011 | justin_: [D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D is one of them |
| 14:09.27 | themill | project2501a: e.g. http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/javapbuilder |
| 14:09.36 | akssps011 | justin_: I can only recognize [D |
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| 14:11.12 | themill | project2501a: that page links to a description of how to achieve this with puppet. If you're doing this on a non-trivial number of machines, then puppet might be what you're looking for anyway. |
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| 14:11.57 | akssps011 | these are also not recognized:, 大å¡æã®ãããããã¼ãããé¯ä¹±åãã«ãã¦ã¿ãï½ï½ï½ï½ï½ |
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| 14:17.14 | nkuttler | akssps011: they look fine here. you probably just miss the correct font |
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| 14:17.50 | akssps011 | nkuttler: I tried unicode 16 and 32, but no luck |
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| 14:17.59 | nkuttler | font. not encoding |
| 14:18.18 | akssps011 | ah |
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| 14:19.48 | akssps011 | but how do I know which one |
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| 14:20.06 | eranm | Hi, I'm using Debian stable. With version 5, udev used to take care of mounting all of my usb drives automatically. After the update to version 6 and switching to dependency-based init system, it no longer happens. Am I mistaken in thinking it's udev that takes care of it? |
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| 14:20.23 | nkuttler | akssps011: well those look like japanese, but you should really know which language you want to read |
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| 14:20.34 | eranm | (udev does create the /dev entries for these drives and the custom symbolic links I've modified udev to create) |
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| 14:21.45 | akssps011 | nkuttler: I searched for html5 on google. A few results consisted of this text |
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| 14:22.41 | ronny2 | hi |
| 14:22.41 | akssps011 | nkuttler: even the earlier line I posted (with [D ), was written by an english speaking and writing person on another IRC channel |
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| 14:23.37 | ronny2 | anyone aware of a good package source for installing firefox/iceweasel 4 betas? googleing just found me some rather manual procedures |
| 14:23.45 | nkuttler | akssps011: i told you, just install fonts |
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| 14:24.35 | nkuttler | heh. there's iceweasel 4.0 in experimental but no 3.6 anywhere? |
| 14:25.45 | ronny2 | nkuttler: so i gotta pull in experimental, and allow some of its packages? |
| 14:25.59 | nkuttler | !tell ronny2 about experimental |
| 14:26.43 | doda | how can i make apt-get less bloated with depps ? |
| 14:27.00 | trebuchet | how do i disable html5 in iceweasel? |
| 14:27.11 | doda | when i try to install something it pulls everything :d, and same when i remove something |
| 14:27.14 | ronny2 | hum |
| 14:27.23 | nkuttler | trebuchet: what does that mean? |
| 14:27.28 | ronny2 | nkuttler: aware of something like ubuntu's ppa's for ff4 |
| 14:27.52 | nkuttler | ppa? |
| 14:28.07 | trebuchet | nkuttler: It means not dealing with the slew of exploits that come out from all this html5 stuff |
| 14:28.13 | nkuttler | doda: apt-get install specificpackage |
| 14:28.18 | trebuchet | I just render html4whatever |
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| 14:29.19 | babilen | ronny2: Which version of Debian are you running? Iceweasel/FF 4.0b?? is available from experimental and also from from upstream. The upstream package is pretty easy to "install" (just unpack it) |
| 14:29.58 | doda | nkuttler: well for a whole group |
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| 14:30.05 | doda | actually, for that |
| 14:30.08 | nkuttler | trebuchet: sounds like a questino for firefox support. i kinda doubt that's possible |
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| 14:30.19 | doda | i can just disable optional deps |
| 14:30.40 | nvz | sure it is... go download mosaic and run it in wine.. lol |
| 14:30.43 | babilen | ronny2: You could probably also backport the package in experimental to squeeze (/msg dpkg ssb), but note that you need *at least* a new version of xulrunner (and possibly a number of other dependencies) |
| 14:30.46 | nkuttler | hehe |
| 14:31.00 | doda | nkuttler: i also should use autoremove for groups ?, once i removed xfce which only removed the metapackage |
| 14:31.16 | nkuttler | doda: apt-get autoremove, debfoster, deborphan |
| 14:31.23 | doda | tnx :) |
| 14:31.25 | babilen | ronny2: The choice pretty much depends on the version of Debian you are using. |
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| 14:31.56 | doda | nkuttler: i find this all confusing, a debian newbie :D |
| 14:31.56 | ronny2 | babilen: i grabbed myself a fresh wheezy |
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| 14:32.51 | mweichert | hello, I'm trying to find a debian or debian-based distro that still uses initscripts rather than upstart. Any suggestions? |
| 14:32.52 | babilen | ronny2: As you already decided to live on the bleeding edge in these stormy time I would just install the packages from ecperimental. |
| 14:34.01 | nvz | mweichert: Debian 6.0 |
| 14:34.03 | abrotman | fresh wheezy .. cute |
| 14:34.06 | doda | nkuttler: and the list of packages that are showed when trying to install something are oprah packages with missing metapackage ? |
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| 14:34.25 | babilen | doda: What is the particular problem you are facing? It is typical that dependencies are pulled in. You might consider not installing recommended packages, if you feel that too much gets installed. |
| 14:34.30 | abrotman | mweichert: debian has upstart available, but doesn't use it by default .. but it still uses a different dependency-based system |
| 14:34.30 | ronny2 | babilen: i suppose i need to add exerimental to the package sources, then edit the filters to allow specfic packages? (orr am i missing something) |
| 14:34.31 | babilen | !tell doda -about apt recommends |
| 14:35.27 | hogren | What are the possible reasons to that a apt-get install is smaller than a manual compilation of the same program? |
| 14:35.31 | bzed | mweichert: anf if you don't like the insserv-way ind ebian 60, just install file-rc |
| 14:35.35 | doda | babilen: well when trying to install something i get a list of packages and "use autoremove to remove them" message |
| 14:35.54 | bzed | hogren: you mean the size of the program file? |
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| 14:36.15 | hogren | yes bzed |
| 14:36.17 | babilen | ronny2: Experimental is pinned quite low, so you don't need to fear that you "upgrade" to experimental. Yes, you have to add experimental to your sources.list. I would actually recommend the following: Add sid and experimental to your sources.list, set wheezy as default release and install selected packages from either sid or experimental by using something like "aptitude install iceweasel/experimental" |
| 14:36.33 | babilen | !tell ronny -about default release |
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| 14:36.43 | bzed | hogren: guess when you've compiled it manually you either didn;'t strip the resulting binaries or you used static linking |
| 14:36.52 | babilen | ronny2: Note the last sentence in that factoid if you are using synaptic. |
| 14:37.07 | hogren | oh ! |
| 14:37.09 | hogren | wait |
| 14:37.18 | babilen | doda: You are using apt-get, don't you? |
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| 14:37.46 | hogren | no, it's program |
| 14:37.53 | ronny2 | babilen: so i can start by copying the wheezy line and replacing with sid/experimental? |
| 14:37.59 | hogren | it's not link |
| 14:37.59 | bzed | hogren: and? |
| 14:38.00 | doda | babilen: yep |
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| 14:38.17 | bzed | hogren: every program is linked to a library. atleast one. |
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| 14:38.49 | yongleflibbit | can someone explain a 'Bad file number' error from ssh? |
| 14:38.51 | babilen | doda: I typically recommend aptitude, but apt-get works fine as well. The packages in the "autoremove" list are packages that were previously installed as a dependency of a package. You removes that package and they are therefore no longer needed. aptitude removes those packages automatically, apt-get wants you to run "apt-get autoremove" |
| 14:38.56 | babilen | ronny2: No |
| 14:39.07 | babilen | ronny2: You would add *one* line for sid and *another* for experimental |
| 14:39.10 | hogren | ah. that means that a paquet needs not librairies in intern ? |
| 14:39.24 | hogren | but there are links to extern librairies ? |
| 14:39.25 | ronny2 | babilen: thats what i did, sorry for wrong choice of words |
| 14:39.26 | ronny2 | hmm |
| 14:39.27 | babilen | ronny2: Don't forget to set the default release or you'll upgrade to sid |
| 14:39.36 | DotHack | dpkg grub2 squeeze |
| 14:39.36 | dpkg | New installations of Squeeze will have the GNU GRUB 2 bootloader (grub-pc package) installed by default on x86 systems, ask me about <grub2 config> to configure. Upgrading from Lenny will offer you to "chainload" GRUB 2 from GRUB Legacy to verify its use, see §4.8.1 of the <squeeze release notes> for more information. GRUB Legacy remains packaged for Squeeze as grub-legacy. |
| 14:39.37 | doda | babilen: aha, tnx, i'll use aptitude :) |
| 14:39.49 | DotHack | dpkg grub2 config |
| 14:39.49 | dpkg | If all you want is to dual-boot Debian & Windows, just install the os-prober package and run update-grub. Otherwise, check /etc/default/grub, /etc/grub.d/* and http://grub.enbug.org/ (GRUB wiki). http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Configuration |
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| 14:39.55 | ronny2 | babilen: ok, i missed to set the default release |
| 14:40.00 | babilen | !tell DotHack -about msg the bot |
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| 14:40.16 | DotHack | sty |
| 14:40.16 | doda | babilen: so with aptitude removing the metapkg removes everything ? |
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| 14:40.19 | DotHack | sorry |
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| 14:40.34 | mweichert | nvz: thanks I'll give it a try then |
| 14:40.34 | hogren | bzed ? is it good ? |
| 14:40.42 | mweichert | bzed: not sure what you're referring to? |
| 14:40.48 | babilen | doda: Which metapackage? What are you trying to do? |
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| 14:41.14 | ronny2 | babilen: seting a default release is done via a new file in apt.conf.d that pins it? |
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| 14:41.40 | bzed | mweichert: initscripts instead of upstart? |
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| 14:41.44 | doda | babilen: well i installed xfce, removed it and then i found out that packages are installed since i didn't use autoremove |
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| 14:42.05 | bzed | hogren: you might want to learn about how the linker in linux works. and how compiling and linking in general works. |
| 14:42.18 | babilen | ronny2: You should have received a private message from dpkg that explains how to do it. ( Put APT::Default-Release "foo"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf -- guess apt.conf.d works as well) |
| 14:42.40 | babilen | doda: Run autoremove then. And yes, aptitude would have removed those packages automatically. |
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| 14:42.54 | hogren | bzed, yes I don't know about the linux librairie links |
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| 14:42.59 | mweichert | bzed: yes, I want sysvinit instead of upstart, as I want to control initscripts with pacemaker |
| 14:42.59 | shanepardue | My computer requires 2.6.35 for a working ethernet connection. What's the best way to make this happen without a network connection? |
| 14:43.08 | babilen | ronny2: replace "foo" with "wheeze" in your case |
| 14:43.09 | mweichert | pacemaker and upstart is just confusing |
| 14:43.14 | arjun | Hi, how will I know UUID of a file-system? |
| 14:43.16 | doda | ok, now i'm removing trinitykde and mono or something got removed :D |
| 14:43.22 | bzed | mweichert: just use a default debian installation then. |
| 14:43.24 | hogren | but, if i understant how is it made, it's ingenious !! |
| 14:43.34 | babilen | arjun: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ or just run "blkid" |
| 14:43.54 | babilen | doda: Is that not what you wanted? |
| 14:43.58 | mweichert | bzed: ok, I was googling for "debian upstart" and came across articles staging that debian was switching to upstart |
| 14:44.00 | xk | mweichert: how is it a problem? I've got squeeze and pacemaker working no problems. |
| 14:44.01 | arjun | OK, thanks babilen. |
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| 14:44.07 | hogren | thx bzed for your help |
| 14:44.10 | babilen | arjun: You are welcome |
| 14:44.16 | doda | babilen: well mono is gnome dep afaik |
| 14:44.49 | mweichert | xk: squeeze == 6.0, correct? nvz just said that 6.0 doesn't use upstart |
| 14:45.13 | xk | upstart is a way to control init scripts. |
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| 14:45.48 | shanepardue | Is there an unofficial installer that ships with a kernel > 2.6.32? |
| 14:45.48 | babilen | doda: It is not. Some programs need it, but it is not a dependency per se. Keep in mind that all packages you intentionally install are marked as "manually installed" and will never be removed unless explicitly asked to do so. Dependencies of those packages, on the other hand, are marked as "automatically installed" and will be removed as no other manually installed package depends on them. |
| 14:45.59 | xk | update-rc.d disable and remove, then let pacemaker control the init script. |
| 14:46.04 | wip | i have finished my first C++ application, i want to make a .DEB (for checking dependencies and installing my application in /usr/bin). i am reading a huge huge page on the subject and get really depressed: is there a GUI to make the job easier? |
| 14:46.10 | abrotman | shanepardue: not yet .. perhaps in a few weeks .. why do you ask? |
| 14:46.12 | xk | although... bear in mind that most of the LSB init scripts are NOT compliant. |
| 14:46.17 | doda | babilen: aha, ok. tnx :) |
| 14:46.23 | xk | er, NOT LSB compliant |
| 14:46.24 | bzed | xk: that doesn;'t work anymore in squeeze. known bug (due to insserv...) |
| 14:46.37 | xk | bzed: since when? |
| 14:46.50 | shanepardue | abrotman: Looking into options on a machine that requires at least 2.6.35 for the ethernet card to work |
| 14:47.07 | abrotman | shanepardue: it's possible the support was backported into squeeze's kernel |
| 14:47.11 | abrotman | otherwise ... |
| 14:47.18 | abrotman | !tell shanepardue about custom netinst |
| 14:47.30 | yongleflibbit | what might be giving a 'Bad file number' error in ssh |
| 14:47.32 | bzed | xk: ah well, maybe if you disable it first it might work. but thats still buggy. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=606505 |
| 14:48.02 | babilen | doda: No problem. Let us know if you have further questions or a particular problem. Just to let you know: If you, for whatever reason, want to keep one of the automatically installed and now to-be-removed packages, just run "aptitude unmarkauto PKG" to mark them as manually installed. |
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| 14:48.13 | nvz | mweichert: I don't even know what upstart is... all I know is that in debian you can change anything you want and that I still have init scripts.. as I can do /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop just the same as always. You made it sound like it was an either or kinda thing |
| 14:48.15 | abrotman | shanepardue: or see if the wheezy netinst has it .. but then you won't be running 'stable' |
| 14:48.24 | shanepardue | thx abrotman |
| 14:49.07 | shanepardue | Well wait, abrotman isn't an option without a network connection |
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| 14:51.18 | abrotman | shanepardue: huh? |
| 14:51.28 | babilen | wip: No. There is "dh-make", but that is a TUI. You might want to read the New Maintainers Guide "/msg dpkg nmg" also see http://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian |
| 14:51.51 | babilen | abrotman: You are obviously not an option ;) |
| 14:52.09 | shanepardue | abrotman: wow, need coffee |
| 14:52.18 | wip | babilen: thank you for your time, reading |
| 14:52.20 | shanepardue | Saying I can't do a netinst without an ethernet connection |
| 14:52.26 | babilen | wip: Have fun :) |
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| 14:52.59 | wip | babilen: took me 2 hours to make my application, will take me 2 days to package it (joking!) |
| 14:53.16 | shanepardue | abrotman: I'll be making a custom cd that has everything I need to run the basics and get network |
| 14:53.30 | babilen | wip: And it will be a better application in the end. (manpage, bugs fixed, etc) |
| 14:53.54 | babilen | !tell wip -about mentors |
| 14:54.56 | babilen | wip: Note that #debian-mentors (on oftc) is the channel to discuss packaging related problems. But I guess that you should read the NMG, the wiki page, the dh and dh_* manpages and the policy. :) |
| 14:55.06 | wip | babilen: the thing is, my application is only 1 binary executable, i just want the .deb to check for dependencies and install it in /usr/bin (with a menu if possible) |
| 14:55.07 | babilen | wip: read that first that is |
| 14:55.18 | crn | Is there a Firefox deb? gmail.com says that iceweasle is not supported. |
| 14:55.45 | whitespirit | crn: use a user agent switcher addon |
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| 14:56.07 | babilen | wip: Read the NMG, the process is pretty easy (with dh_make) once you understand your options and its usage |
| 14:56.17 | crn | whitespirit, what's that? |
| 14:56.19 | babilen | crn: No problem at all with iceweasel here fwiw |
| 14:56.24 | wip | is reading dh_make |
| 14:57.10 | crn | babilen, i'm hitting this on several sites. Maybe I've got some sort of configureation issue |
| 14:57.19 | whitespirit | crn, try reading: http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel#UserAgentString |
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| 14:58.04 | whitespirit | it recommends using this addon: http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel#UserAgentString |
| 14:58.04 | babilen | wip: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-first.en.html#s-dh_make (and the rest of that document) |
| 14:58.05 | whitespirit | oops, I mean this addon: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/user-agent-switcher/ |
| 14:58.05 | babilen | wip: Just read the documents I pointed out to you. It'll pay off. ;) |
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| 14:58.22 | crn | whitespirit, ok thanks. I'll give it a go. |
| 14:58.59 | babilen | crn: Might be. But I'm taking a break now and will be back later. The user agent switcher is a solution, but I've never seen any "iceweasel is not supported, but FF is" issues so far. |
| 14:59.12 | babilen | crn: And gmail is definitely working |
| 14:59.25 | ronny2 | babilen: your tips worked fine, thanks |
| 14:59.41 | babilen | ronny2: wonderful. may you have a nice day! :) |
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| 15:00.12 | crn | babilen, thanks |
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| 15:02.16 | gob_bluth | hi, umm, i'd like my debian to install varnish from the varnish-cache repo (i've got the apt file.list set), but when i do an apt-get install varnish, it uses the debian repo -- is there a way to tell debian/apt to ignore varnish from the standard repo ? |
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| 15:04.45 | whitespirit | crn: sure, let me know how it goes :) |
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| 15:06.21 | TB | gob_bluth: did you run apt-get update? |
| 15:06.39 | gob_bluth | TB: yeah |
| 15:07.27 | TB | gob_bluth: can you sent us the complete source url? |
| 15:07.46 | gob_bluth | deb http://repo.varnish-cache.org/debian/ lenny varnish-2.1 |
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| 15:09.16 | abrotman | shanepardue: why not just change only the kernel? |
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| 15:09.23 | TB | Pleas sent us the out put from apt-get -t lenny search varnish |
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| 15:09.56 | gob_bluth | invalid operation - i tried installing varnish again and it used the correct repo |
| 15:10.00 | abrotman | gob_bluth: aptitude install varnish=<pkgversion> |
| 15:10.01 | gob_bluth | is there a way just to force an ignore ? |
| 15:10.19 | TB | man apt-get :) |
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| 15:18.23 | crocket | Hi man |
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| 15:21.43 | crn | whitespirit, i should have been clearer on where the problem arises. it's with gmail > options > manage connected accounts. i'll report in after i've configured the plugin. |
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| 15:22.47 | whitespirit | crn: sure :) just configure it to use a firefox user agent |
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| 15:23.00 | mah454 | Can i install hyperVM in debian ? |
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| 15:23.51 | mah454 | Can i install hyperVM on debian ? |
| 15:24.16 | project2501a | yes you can. |
| 15:24.34 | pinkisntwell | when i time with some command and i get a 'user' time much lower than 'real' time, does it mean that most of the time is spent on io? this is a database application |
| 15:24.59 | pinkisntwell | time some command* |
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| 15:25.24 | mah454 | but hyperVM script writed for RPM base (CentOS , RHEL) |
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| 15:26.58 | project2501a | mah454: so open the script and modify it |
| 15:27.10 | yonahw_ | 321 |
| 15:27.12 | project2501a | mah454: if you are working with 454 (newbler) you should be able to |
| 15:27.21 | yonahw_ | 8 |
| 15:27.36 | aminpy | how to download gnash in debian? |
| 15:27.46 | fbs | any icedove users here? |
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| 15:30.21 | mah454 | project2501a what ? |
| 15:30.33 | mah454 | project2501a mah454 in my nickname ... |
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| 15:31.28 | TB | aminpy: apt-get -d install gnash |
| 15:31.36 | project2501a | mah454: 454 is a dna sequencing mechanism. my bad :) |
| 15:32.37 | mah454 | project2501a =)) |
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| 15:49.28 | mah454 | What is PID of shutdown process ? |
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| 15:51.13 | sash_ | didn't you get answers in #fedora 2 minutes ago? |
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| 15:51.57 | Zao | sash_: At about the same time he asked here, timestamps hint at. |
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| 15:53.30 | sash_ | Zao: he asked in #fedora about 15 minutes ago. the conversation there ended about 3 minutes before he asked here. |
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| 15:55.09 | Zao | Ah. |
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| 15:59.08 | ronny2 | hmm, does something semilar to the ppa's on launchpad exist for debian? |
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| 15:59.36 | ronny2 | the ppa's are pretty much the only thing i use that i didnt think of when switching to debian |
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| 16:00.29 | adb | !ppa |
| 16:00.29 | dpkg | [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>. |
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| 16:01.53 | sash_ | usually, you shouldnt need them. in difference to ubuntu there is debian stable, testing, unstable, experimental, backports. if you know what you're doing it is also possible to mix (apt-pinning is the keyword) to have the versions of software you need |
| 16:02.03 | sash_ | ppas are crap imho, btw |
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| 16:02.44 | ronny2 | sash_: they are a nice tools to deal with stuff one considers nice enough while not being good enough for the normal tree |
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| 16:03.48 | kie27 | howdy all, sorry for the flash question, am running testing amd64. flash is working in epiphany, but not in iceweasel since the latest update i have set the extension to use shockwave flash in the preferences tab. any idea how i can get this working? |
| 16:03.55 | sash_ | software i dont find in the repos, i install manually into my home. i never used ppa |
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| 16:04.17 | ronny2 | sash_: i like not having to compile/update |
| 16:04.26 | ronny2 | its nice for a few selected things |
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| 16:04.57 | sash_ | well. debian is not ubuntu :) |
| 16:05.43 | ronny2 | sash_: yup, from what i perceive ubuntu is childish and overly risky, debian isnt |
| 16:05.56 | sash_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:06.31 | engla | ppa allows development, experimentation and innovation in an area that's larger than a single program, in a way that's compatible with future integration toa distro (if the experiment is successful).. So I'd say it's a pretty revolutionary tool |
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| 16:07.19 | Kottizen_ | Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces ... (warning). - what should I use instead? |
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| 16:08.09 | flo` | hi |
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| 16:08.29 | jmarsden | Kottizen_: I think you are supposed to use ifdown and ifup on the interface you want to mess with, instead. |
| 16:08.32 | flo` | is there a way to debug s2ram with some debian precompiled kernel? |
| 16:09.07 | flo` | or do i have to compile my own? |
| 16:09.19 | Kottizen_ | jmarsden: ah, thanks |
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| 16:09.38 | crn | whitespirit, the user agent plugin got me through the unsupported browser problem. Thanks. |
| 16:09.38 | ronny2 | engla: but people tend to suck, many ppa's are just a mess that should better not exist |
| 16:10.02 | martin____ | jmarsden: oh and it complains about "file already exists" here, what am I doing wrong? http://paste.ubuntu.com/577032 |
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| 16:10.39 | engla | ronny2: then avoid those PPAs. That's like saying that some people's git repositories and forks suck |
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| 16:12.08 | engla | ivory tower distro or democratize package building? Ivory tower svn or allow git forks everywhere? |
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| 16:13.28 | arumaniac | ppl, howto use wireshark as non-admin user? |
| 16:13.32 | jmarsden | martin____: That looks pretty reasonable to me, but I am not really familiar with ipv6 stuff yet. If you remove the ipv6 part, does it work for ipv4? |
| 16:13.59 | jmarsden | arumaniac: Use some other tool to capture the data to a .cap file, then run wireshark as a normal user, open the file and analyze it. |
| 16:14.07 | martin____ | jmarsden: yes |
| 16:14.29 | martin____ | jmarsden: in fact, no it doesn't |
| 16:15.06 | arumaniac | jmarsden, what tool? |
| 16:15.39 | jmarsden | arumaniac: Whatever you want that captures packets in an appropriate file format :) tcpdump for example. |
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| 16:15.44 | arumaniac | jmarsden, wireshark should work with non root user |
| 16:15.45 | martin____ | now it works, but I get "network unreachable" |
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| 16:16.35 | jmarsden | martin____: That sounds more like the values you supplied are incorrect, to me. |
| 16:16.54 | martin____ | most likely |
| 16:17.10 | jmarsden | arumaniac: Why should a normal user be able to mess with a live network interface, set promiscuous mode, etc??? |
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| 16:17.38 | InnerFIRE | hello |
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| 16:17.48 | martin____ | hi InnerFIRE |
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| 16:17.59 | InnerFIRE | does anyone know how to hunt down and remove all files from a package if purge fails to do it ? |
| 16:18.11 | arumaniac | jmarsden, because debian use a non root user.. and because wireshark alert to not use it as root |
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| 16:19.05 | jmarsden | arumaniac: Right, so do what I said -- use a different tool for packet capture , then use wireshark for analysis :) It works fine. |
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| 16:20.05 | Angelous | how gay, vmware workstation doesn't support debian 6 |
| 16:20.24 | jmarsden | InnerFIRE: dpkg -L PACKAGENAME # will list the files installed by a package, but the real fix is to fix the package maintainer scripts so that aptitude purge *does* work for that package. |
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| 16:21.03 | InnerFIRE | jmarsden: I agree but in the meantime I really need dhcp server working again so it's quick hack time |
| 16:21.30 | _0x47 | Hi, I was trying to change the ./configure script in the mono debian package (squeeze). I did "find . | xargs grep "SOME_TEXT" -sl" to find all files where i changed it. But somehow after building (dpkg-buildpackage) the line is back to the old one. Any idea? |
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| 16:22.07 | _0x47 | Is it re-copied from the original source file (the ones you get with apt-get source) |
| 16:22.09 | _0x47 | ? |
| 16:22.28 | lazka | My grub install fails after d-i. It tries to write to sda, but there only seems to be sdb |
| 16:22.46 | lazka | the wiki says something about rescue menu.. where can I find that? |
| 16:23.42 | themill | Angelous: (a) talk to #vmware about their non-free software; (b) I have no idea how the sexuality of software can be expressed... please don't use such demeaning expressions. |
| 16:23.52 | Pulse | the idea to sell his urine as a floatation device |
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| 16:25.25 | jmarsden | _0x47: You probably need to create a patch that implements your changes and add that to your revised package; in other words, you should learn how to work with Debian packages :) http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ and http://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian |
| 16:25.35 | Pulse | dont need a over load of bots lol or keep one in here |
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| 16:26.06 | themill | Pulse: please play elsewhere. |
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| 16:26.42 | _0x47 | jmarsden: I understand what you mean, and I know how to create patches (at least with quilt), I will try it right away. Thanks for the hint! |
| 16:27.04 | dobber | A TCP packet walks in to a bar and says "I want a beer", barman says "you want a beer?", and the TCP packet says "yes, a beer" |
| 16:27.18 | lazka | Is there a rescue menu in the squeeze installer? (since the wiki is for oldstable only) |
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| 16:31.35 | sylar | how to upgrade offline computers? |
| 16:31.52 | flo` | sylar, fill apt's cache properly |
| 16:31.57 | petemc | sylar: cd/dvd/blu-ray |
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| 16:32.39 | flo` | where can i get my current (debian squeeze stock kernel) kernel's config? |
| 16:32.40 | sylar | flo`, how to do that? |
| 16:32.47 | petemc | flo`: /boot/ |
| 16:33.06 | flo` | petemc, whow, cool, thanks xD |
| 16:33.09 | petemc | np |
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| 16:33.43 | flo` | sylar, that's a good question ;) |
| 16:33.56 | sylar | petemc, what to put on cd/dvd/.. |
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| 16:34.04 | flo` | if you've got a similar/identical system with network, you could simply copy the cache |
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| 16:34.17 | petemc | sylar: there are already images created, you just need to download them |
| 16:35.04 | sylar | how are they called? |
| 16:35.09 | sylar | petemc, ^ |
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| 16:35.44 | petemc | sylar: go to debian.org and look yourself |
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| 16:36.14 | kiffa | did you guys build h.a.a.r.p |
| 16:36.19 | flo` | how can it be that my kernel has "# CONFIG_DRM_RADEON_KMS is not set" in its config, but i do have KMS? |
| 16:36.30 | flo` | (well, i do have a radeon card ;) ) |
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| 16:36.56 | shanepardue | abrotman: That's what I'll do (change only the kernel) |
| 16:37.09 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 16:37.15 | flo` | i have all the benefits and drawbacks of KMS: faster VT-switching vs standby-problems. but how can i have KMS while it's disabled in my kernel's config? |
| 16:37.27 | kiffa | well |
| 16:37.28 | flo` | (talking about the debian squeeze stock kernel: 2.6.32-5-686) |
| 16:37.32 | kiffa | did you guys build h.a.a.r.p |
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| 16:38.34 | lazka | chroot, worker.. bye |
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| 16:42.26 | wip | hello, tiny question about making a .deb, i have all those dependencies for my application: http://pastebin.com/aTqQEciF (objdump -p ./myapp | grep NEEDED) do i need to list all (and how) in control depends? |
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| 16:43.26 | Jacruth | hi guys, how could I copy the config of my gnome taskbar? I want to save some launchers from a computer to another one |
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| 16:44.19 | thewanderer1 | wip: you need to list all libraries, even system libraries, required to run your application... for an example of debian/control format, download the source of some package (apt-get source) and see the control file for yourself |
| 16:44.58 | dutchfish | flo`: http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 16:45.06 | erAbuelo | buenas tardes |
| 16:45.10 | katsrc | Ubuntu next release name Ostrich Orgy! |
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| 16:45.24 | Jacruth | hola erAbuelo |
| 16:45.29 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 16:45.31 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.38-rc6-686 (2.6.38~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.37-2-686 (2.6.37-2); wheezy: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 16:45.56 | erAbuelo | hola judd |
| 16:45.58 | erAbuelo | uii |
| 16:46.02 | dutchfish | flo`: see specially nomodeset |
| 16:46.03 | erAbuelo | Jacruth: :) |
| 16:46.06 | Jacruth | ;) |
| 16:46.16 | flo` | dutchfish, the thing is not the "nomodeset" switch |
| 16:46.32 | flo` | dutchfish, my problem is: i DO have KMS, but it's disabled in the kernel config. how can that be? |
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| 16:46.40 | flo` | it's not that i don't want kms, i'm just confused |
| 16:47.01 | dutchfish | flo`: it snot disabled in stock kernel for radeon, but it is not build on |
| 16:47.26 | flo` | "but it is not build on", what does that part mean? |
| 16:47.47 | dutchfish | flo`: It is enabled via modprobe configuration files provided by radeon or intel |
| 16:48.17 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: I believe kms is modular. |
| 16:48.18 | flo` | so, CONFIG_DRM_RADEON_KMS gets overridden by some option in my modprobe config? |
| 16:48.24 | sylar | petemc, that looks like 40GB download |
| 16:48.30 | dutchfish | flo`: yes |
| 16:48.34 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: CONFIG_DRM_KMS_HELPER=m |
| 16:48.56 | flo` | ah, cool, ok. thank you ;) |
| 16:48.57 | wip | thewanderer1: thx! downloaded audacity and had a look at his control file, but i don't understand why it is listing -dev package?! also there is a bit below (other section) (= ${source:Version}), ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends} |
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| 16:49.41 | dutchfish | flo`: read carefully http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting (i admit its a bit confisuing at first glance) |
| 16:50.25 | petemc | sylar: you can download just the first cd or first dvd, if that wasnt obvious |
| 16:50.33 | petemc | which it should be |
| 16:50.43 | wip | thewanderer1: i guess the -dev is for building the package (make) so the example is not good for my case (i just want people to install the binary version of my application and have the dependencies installed for them) |
| 16:50.53 | kiffa | ARE NIGGERS ALLOWED To USE UBUNTU ? |
| 16:51.36 | Phil-Work | yes |
| 16:52.07 | Phil-Work | however people with the inteligence of a small Gnat (yourself) are prohibited |
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| 16:52.29 | sylar | petemc, ah |
| 16:52.31 | Phil-Work | *intelligence |
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| 16:53.20 | flo` | is there some way to debug s2ram issues with a debian stock kernel? |
| 16:53.27 | flo` | or do i have to recompile it myself? |
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| 16:53.49 | flo` | and if i have to, is there a way to use the standard debian's config, only without all drivers i don't need? |
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| 16:54.36 | kiffa | Phil-Work you seem to strugle using a keyboard |
| 16:54.44 | kiffa | does your boss know you are watching porn on his time ? |
| 16:54.47 | cahoot | ahem |
| 16:55.38 | dutchfish | flo`: it should work on a variety of systems out of the box. A custom kernel does give no benefit and even can mess up proper detection of 'resume'; you can disable it also, see http://wiki.debian.org/Suspend |
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| 16:56.11 | dutchfish | flo`: debugging it is another cup of tea |
| 16:56.45 | flo` | dutchfish, well. it doesn't work OOTB. |
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| 16:56.54 | flo` | dutchfish, what can i disable? KMS or s2ram? |
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| 16:57.02 | themill | s2ram is not in squeeze |
| 16:57.26 | dutchfish | flo`: have you thoroughly checked dmesg, log file, enable kernel boot logging etc? |
| 16:57.37 | flo` | i'm sorry, when i write s2ram i don't mean the s2ram tool, but generally suspend to ram (via pm-suspend) |
| 16:57.46 | flo` | dutchfish, what should i look for in there? |
| 16:57.48 | themill | ah |
| 16:57.55 | jhutchins_lt | Should unstable/experimental kernels be backported, or can they just be installed directly? |
| 16:58.00 | MBaa | hello |
| 16:58.07 | MBaa | can somebody me unban in the #debian-de ?? |
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| 16:59.11 | ronny2 | hmm, is there description of the "sections" like main/contrib/non-free - im sure there is a listing spposed to exist, but i have no idea how to google for it |
| 16:59.37 | valdyn | !contrib |
| 16:59.37 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compatible software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ [lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then aptitude update. Also ask me about <non-free>. |
| 16:59.50 | flo` | dutchfish, what should i look for in dmesg or some logs? |
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| 17:00.01 | flo` | dutchfish, the problem is, my system doesn't wake up properly |
| 17:00.07 | themill | dpkg: tell ronny2 about policy |
| 17:00.13 | MBaa | hello |
| 17:00.14 | MBaa | can somebody me unban in the #debian-de ?? |
| 17:00.24 | flo` | so it cannot write to any log files. |
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| 17:01.15 | dutchfish | flo`: well, if you talking solely about pm-suspend, start looking acpi services |
| 17:01.32 | flo` | dutchfish, i'm not talking solely about pm-suspend |
| 17:01.36 | Phil-Work | kiffa, he encourages it |
| 17:01.44 | flo` | all suspend helpers i know about fail. |
| 17:01.46 | MBaa | can sombody |
| 17:01.48 | MBaa | help me ?? |
| 17:02.00 | flo` | even the plain echo mem > /sys/power/state has the same behaviour |
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| 17:02.58 | dutchfish | flo`: no idee |
| 17:03.22 | flo` | so i'm back to compiling a own kernel (with suspend debugging support) |
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| 17:03.38 | MBaa | hello |
| 17:03.39 | ronny2 | themill: thanks |
| 17:03.39 | flo` | how can i compile a kernel using the debian configs, but not building drivers i don't need? |
| 17:03.40 | MBaa | can sombody |
| 17:03.41 | MBaa | help me ?? |
| 17:04.09 | themill | MBaa: probably not. You should talk to the op who banned you. |
| 17:04.18 | dutchfish | flo`: normally by disabling in your .config |
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| 17:04.29 | flo` | dutchfish, that would be _lots_ of things |
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| 17:04.37 | dutchfish | nods |
| 17:04.41 | MBaa | no my question is: |
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| 17:04.42 | themill | MBaa: or better, use a real IRC client rather than the web gateway |
| 17:04.45 | MBaa | where can i find the german chat?? |
| 17:04.49 | flo` | dutchfish, isn't there any automated tool which looks for all modules in the config which aren't loaded ATM, and disables them? |
| 17:04.58 | dutchfish | flo`: so, it not worth it |
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| 17:05.10 | petemc | MBaa: #debian.de |
| 17:05.13 | MBaa | ok thanks |
| 17:05.21 | dutchfish | flo`: yes, you, yourself |
| 17:05.25 | MBaa | so my question: what linux should use on desktop ? |
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| 17:05.46 | petemc | MBaa: this is a debian support channel |
| 17:06.04 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: Why do you want to ban unloaded modules? |
| 17:06.07 | dutchfish | flo`: rem, debian provides a kernel for general use that needs to work on as much as possible different hardware. |
| 17:06.25 | flo` | jhutchins_lt, i don't want to compile lots of stuff i will never need |
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| 17:06.57 | flo` | dutchfish, i know that. still i want a custom kernel with PM_TRACE enabled. and i do NOT want a kernel with huge loads of stuff i don't need |
| 17:07.14 | cahoot | flo`: you won't get away without a complete custom config |
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| 17:07.29 | dutchfish | flo`: then scissertail your own .config. |
| 17:07.39 | Niglatta | Hey, I want to make a general lan server and need help. I want headless CLI so I'm not sure if I should do Debian w/o a GUI or just use Arch. |
| 17:08.45 | welker | Niglatta, what sould your "lan server" do? |
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| 17:09.09 | Niglatta | media streaming mostly |
| 17:09.10 | cahoot | serve generals |
| 17:09.19 | MBaa | hello look #debian-offtopic |
| 17:09.20 | Niglatta | some file hosting and such too |
| 17:09.43 | prince_jammys | as if debian was somehow gui-centric |
| 17:10.01 | welker | prince_jammys, :-) was just thinking the same |
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| 17:10.34 | prince_jammys | first has a reputation of being guiless, now i guess guicentric |
| 17:10.44 | Niglatta | I know it's not GUI-centric but Arch is extremely bare. The only issue is I don't feel like learning pacman. It's cool, just a lot of work. |
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| 17:11.29 | prince_jammys | ms. pacman i always found easier |
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| 17:11.51 | Niglatta | oh god, pull out the patron and she's all over the place |
| 17:11.51 | prince_jammys | i even got some high scores. pacman was for me insta-loss of 25c |
| 17:12.14 | prince_jammys | well, get a minimal debian. that's pretty bare. |
| 17:12.16 | Niglatta | oh, you mean easy to play easy. I thought you meant you were sticking...in... |
| 17:12.16 | flo` | Niglatta, learning pacman isn't a big deal ;) |
| 17:12.42 | flo` | Niglatta, i used arch and debian for some while... |
| 17:12.48 | Niglatta | I know it's not a big deal, just more work than I'm willing to put towards a server that I'll rarely toy with. |
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| 17:13.07 | flo` | my experience with debian is: if it runs, it runs. forever. but you don't have the most recent software, if that matters |
| 17:13.16 | valdyn | if learning the package management tool is a barrier then you should not run a server at all |
| 17:13.21 | Niglatta | I'm thinking I'll do Debian. What media streamer should I use? I want to stream to a PS3 along with Windows machines. |
| 17:13.54 | flo` | my experience with arch is: whenever you update, you should be aware of changes to the system. new configs etc. it's not as automatic as debian is |
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| 17:14.08 | Niglatta | It's not a barrier, I've learned how to use aptitude and yum I just don't feel like doing pacman. It's all weird like pacman -S for installations and pacman -Syu and such |
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| 17:14.22 | flo` | Niglatta, if you want the machine to run, and be forgotten: debian. if you want to learn linux or want to play around on that box: arch |
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| 17:14.47 | Niglatta | I already decided Debian, need to find out what to stream music with though. |
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| 17:15.15 | Niglatta | Something that's already in the repos and will stream mp3 files to the PS3 |
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| 17:15.41 | daemonkeeper | Niglatta: mediatomb |
| 17:15.47 | mikunos1 | hi guys |
| 17:16.04 | mikunos1 | I need assistance in order to send an email by shell |
| 17:16.13 | Niglatta | Is mediatomb cli? I saw a lot of gui caps of it |
| 17:16.32 | daemonkeeper | Niglatta: Web UI and a text XML configuration. |
| 17:16.33 | mikunos1 | I have tested this command: mail myemail@gmail.com -s test |
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| 17:16.46 | mikunos1 | but the server doesn't send it |
| 17:17.10 | mikunos1 | I have 2 server, one with the webserver and the other with the mailserver |
| 17:17.13 | Niglatta | so you control it from a browser? |
| 17:17.17 | Niglatta | web UI? |
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| 17:17.39 | jhutchins_lt | Niglatta: Yes. |
| 17:17.42 | valdyn | mikunos1: read what the log sais about your mail |
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| 17:17.49 | mikunos1 | when I try to send an email using the localhost seems that the emails are not redirected to the mailserver |
| 17:17.52 | daemonkeeper | Niglatta: Not really, you control it by configuration file. But last time I used it, you could add/remove directories to be exported through a browser user interface. |
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| 17:18.03 | mikunos1 | valdyn: which one? |
| 17:18.09 | valdyn | mikunos1: your mta log |
| 17:18.13 | Niglatta | Oh, that's perfect! I'll be able to control playback via the Windows box with the Web UI |
| 17:18.23 | jhutchins_lt | Niglatta: Initial setup is a text file, then management is via web. |
| 17:18.28 | mikunos1 | valdyn: mta? where are these logs? |
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| 17:18.32 | mikunos1 | in var/log? |
| 17:18.37 | jhutchins_lt | Niglatta: I think there's also one that's specifically for ps3... |
| 17:18.40 | valdyn | mikunos1: sure |
| 17:18.42 | daemonkeeper | Not playback, files to be exported. Mediatomb is a UPNP server. |
| 17:18.49 | valdyn | mikunos1: i dont know which mta you are using |
| 17:18.53 | daemonkeeper | jhutchins_lt: Well, every UPNP server does its job. |
| 17:18.59 | Niglatta | PS3 uses UPNP streams to play music |
| 17:18.59 | valdyn | mikunos1: exim4 or postifx most probably, but which= |
| 17:19.18 | mikunos1 | valdyn: I'm using the postfix in the second server |
| 17:19.34 | mikunos1 | in the first server I have no mta |
| 17:19.38 | valdyn | mikunos1: first or 2nd i dont care about any server but the one you are running the mail command on |
| 17:19.46 | jhutchins_lt | ,info xmbc |
| 17:19.48 | judd | No record of package 'xmbc' in squeeze/i386. |
| 17:19.50 | mikunos1 | oh ok |
| 17:19.50 | valdyn | mikunos1: the mail command will not work without an mta |
| 17:20.14 | mikunos1 | so I need to install the postfix and the redirect the requests to the second server? |
| 17:20.26 | daemonkeeper | jhutchins_lt: xbmc if anything, and that one is undistributable for Debian. Moreover a different thing, as XBMC is not a UPNP server. |
| 17:20.30 | valdyn | mikunos1: how would i know if or why you need to redirect? |
| 17:21.02 | mikunos1 | valdyn: I would like to redirect it because I need to split the mail traffic |
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| 17:21.10 | jhutchins_lt | daemonkeeper: The trick is the transcoding for ps3 formats. |
| 17:21.11 | mikunos1 | from the webserver traffic |
| 17:21.18 | valdyn | mikunos1: redirecting sounds more like consolidating on one, not splitting |
| 17:21.29 | daemonkeeper | jhutchins_lt: I know. I fiddled around a lot to achieve that :) |
| 17:21.33 | Niglatta | I'm googling daemonkeeper right now |
| 17:21.39 | valdyn | mikunos1: if you say so... |
| 17:21.46 | mikunos1 | valdyn: maybe I wrong the "words" |
| 17:22.05 | jhutchins_lt | daemonkeeper: I got tired of having to write a new transcode script for every video file I came across on my Huges DVR and just scrapped the whole thing. |
| 17:22.07 | valdyn | mikunos1: maybe, anyway install postfix, set your server as smarthost and try again |
| 17:22.16 | Niglatta | oh |
| 17:22.23 | mikunos1 | valdyn: smarthost? |
| 17:22.23 | Niglatta | I thought he said daemonkeeper like streaming |
| 17:22.36 | daemonkeeper | Niglatta? |
| 17:22.36 | valdyn | !smarthost |
| 17:22.36 | dpkg | A smart host is a type of mail relay server (typically provided by your ISP), which allows an SMTP server to route e-mail to an intermediate mail server, rather than directly to the recipient's server. |
| 17:22.55 | daemonkeeper | jhutchins_lt: Similar here. Got a HTPC running VLC and its WebUI. |
| 17:23.02 | Niglatta | I'm spacing roguht now |
| 17:23.02 | valdyn | mikunos1: just that you seem to be planning on having your own server as smarthost |
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| 17:25.08 | Dennis290 | hy |
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| 17:25.20 | Dennis290 | i have some problems with ffmpeg on debian |
| 17:25.52 | Dennis290 | i need to install ffmpeg codecs |
| 17:26.20 | ZykoticK9 | Dennis290, are you using the debian-multimedia.org version of ffmpeg? |
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| 17:27.15 | Dennis290 | with converting flv > mp3 i get |
| 17:27.17 | Dennis290 | [flv @ 0xb77a6ea8]Unsupported video codec (7) |
| 17:27.30 | daemonkeeper | Maybe you don't. |
| 17:27.36 | daemonkeeper | So follow ZykoticK9's hint. |
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| 17:28.12 | Dennis290 | zykotic hmm i dont think i use from there |
| 17:28.24 | ZykoticK9 | Dennis290, mp3 isn't a video codec, audio only.... |
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| 17:28.43 | Dennis290 | ah yeah ofcour i know |
| 17:28.52 | Dennis290 | but first it needs to convert from flv |
| 17:28.53 | ZykoticK9 | Dennis290, to see what version "apt-cache policy ffmpeg" |
| 17:28.56 | Dennis290 | which includes video right |
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| 17:29.04 | Dennis290 | k sec |
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| 17:29.37 | Dennis290 | may i paste here |
| 17:30.00 | ZykoticK9 | Dennis290, no. http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 17:30.07 | Dennis290 | a ok |
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| 17:30.26 | Dennis290 | here you go |
| 17:30.26 | Dennis290 | http://paste.debian.net/109903/ |
| 17:30.41 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: I was just wondering if good practices required rebuilding the experimental/unstable kernels if you wanted to try them on stable/testing. |
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| 17:31.21 | ZykoticK9 | Dennis290, that appears to be the debian-multimedia version already (but installed, and candidate don't seem to match) |
| 17:31.46 | Dennis290 | allright to be honest i am kinda stuck now :/ |
| 17:31.54 | Dennis290 | could you help me a bit |
| 17:31.59 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: not so much different then in the past, but the make it in a failsafe guideline is hard; it boils down to not braking the ABI |
| 17:32.08 | ZykoticK9 | Dennis290, oh Lenny - not sure debian-multimedia will still work for you. Mailing list recently discussed this (sorry I'm new to Debian so never used lenny) |
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| 17:32.47 | jhutchins_lt | No, dmm for lenny is currently dead. |
| 17:32.49 | Dennis290 | what should be best to do than |
| 17:32.57 | ZykoticK9 | Dennis290, do you just want the audio from an flv file? |
| 17:33.01 | Dennis290 | yeah |
| 17:33.33 | ZykoticK9 | Dennis290, "mplayer -vo null -ao pcm FILENAME" should dump the audio to a WAV then you could encode it to MP3 after |
| 17:33.47 | Dennis290 | i use script now |
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| 17:34.01 | Dennis290 | where i choose in what type i would like to convert |
| 17:34.08 | themill | jhutchins_lt: actually, it came back a week or so ago, but I don't know how dedicated to the cause the maintainer is going to be when it comes to lenny |
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| 17:34.25 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: so far i am succesfull in a fully PREEMPT without breaking curent mesa, kms, drm in squeeze; but i have problems with the ip4/ipv6 stack (windowsscaling) |
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| 17:35.26 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: the expirimental mesa versions have regressions wich i could not solve btw |
| 17:35.42 | jhutchins_lt | themill: As of yesterday according to the site - YAY! Thank you Christian! |
| 17:35.45 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: prolly due to gallium updates |
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| 17:36.12 | Dennis290 | i dont see a point here |
| 17:36.22 | Dennis290 | codecs should work for most of players |
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| 17:36.25 | Dennis290 | isnt that so |
| 17:36.34 | Dennis290 | what if i try vlc ? |
| 17:36.37 | Dennis290 | would that help |
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| 17:38.48 | jhutchins_lt | Dennis290: Some players don't require seperate codecs. |
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| 17:39.53 | Dennis290 | what would be easiest to make this work that |
| 17:39.54 | Dennis290 | than* |
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| 17:42.08 | Dennis290 | becouse if i try to convert to mp4 it works normaly |
| 17:43.14 | izua | can anyone help me with my webcam? http://imgur.com/2qC9E |
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| 17:43.55 | izua | whatever resolution i choose in camorama, it still looks very pixelated, as if interpolating the lowest one. it's an islim 300 by genius, pixart chip, apparently works with gspca |
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| 17:44.14 | izua | top picture is taken with windows driver, bottom in camorama |
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| 17:46.11 | RainbowW | does resize2fs work on ext4? |
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| 17:50.01 | jhutchins_lt | Dennis290: mplayer just works. |
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| 17:51.03 | protagonist | does "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ etch main" contain the latest security updates for Etch? |
| 17:51.26 | RainbowW | protagonist, no. |
| 17:51.27 | Dennis290 | what you mean |
| 17:51.38 | Dennis290 | flv > mp3 doesnt somehow for me |
| 17:51.55 | protagonist | where can I find the latest security updates for Etch, as of the time it was discontinued? |
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| 17:52.17 | RainbowW | dpkg tell protagonist about security |
| 17:52.35 | Dennis290 | jhutchins_lt > check http://paste.debian.net/109903/ |
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| 17:53.23 | jhutchins_lt | !etch |
| 17:53.23 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 17:53.50 | RainbowW | protagonist, fix the line to match your distro. however, remember that security updates for etch were discontinued a year after lenny's release. as there are probably security holes in it, you should upgrade asap. |
| 17:54.04 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions ffmpeg |
| 17:54.06 | judd | Package ffmpeg on i386 -- lenny: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny1; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; squeeze: 4:0.5.2-6; sid: 4:0.6.1-5; wheezy: 4:0.6.1-5; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.6.1+svn20101128-0.2; wheezy-multimedia: 5:0.6.1+svn20101128-0.2; sid-multimedia: 5:0.6.1+svn20110227-0.0 |
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| 17:54.14 | protagonist | well... If I use etch, I get the following error running aptitude update: |
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| 17:54.21 | protagonist | Err http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages |
| 17:54.22 | protagonist | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.28 | RainbowW | also note that security updates for lenny will be discontinued on 2012-02-06. |
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| 17:54.43 | RainbowW | protagonist, then it's been removed and you should migrate to lenny, and then squeeze, post haste. |
| 17:54.54 | protagonist | I was hoping to find an archive of the security updates for Etch so that I could at least have the latest Etch stuff while I work on upgrading |
| 17:54.59 | jhutchins_lt | protagonist: Right. Etch is not on the main servers. |
| 17:55.09 | protagonist | nods |
| 17:55.32 | jhutchins_lt | !tell protagonist about etch sources.list |
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| 17:56.04 | unicum | could use some help here. I just created an ad-hoc wifi network on box A, which should be running fine... now i wanna connect to it from box B, which is running a debian with fluxbox, so no graphical network manager. i did set the /etc/network/interfaces to the relevant channel and essid, but ping tells me that the host (box A) is unreachable.. also i'd actually want box B to connect to the network and retrieve an IP via dhcp.. how do i do that ... |
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| 17:56.10 | jhutchins_lt | That includes the security repo. |
| 17:56.10 | unicum | ... via shell? |
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| 17:56.53 | protagonist | jhutchins_lt: thanks, that worked for me |
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| 18:01.38 | newwer | How can I install falsh player in debian 6 ? |
| 18:01.45 | newwer | *flash |
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| 18:02.00 | themill | /msg dpkg adobe flash |
| 18:02.34 | newwer | themill: didn't get anything |
| 18:03.10 | themill | dpkg: tell newwer about adobe flash |
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| 18:04.52 | newwer | doesn't seem that easy to install |
| 18:05.14 | Dennis290 | for fuck sake still [flv @ 0xb7713ea8]Unsupported video codec (7) |
| 18:05.30 | themill | newwer: thank adobe for that. |
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| 18:05.42 | Dennis290 | rly none know how to fix that ffmpeg codecs crap |
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| 18:06.19 | newwer | themill: some of my friends are adobe employees :)...would forward a note |
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| 18:06.24 | newwer | runs |
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| 18:15.35 | tweek_ | newwer: aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree (non-free repository enabled) |
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| 18:18.24 | ecart | Happy Mardi Gras everyone! |
| 18:18.25 | ecart | I was wondering if the other way to install prgram in debian without having to use the terminal if there is a manager in ubuntu how to download and install automatically |
| 18:19.50 | ecart | and how to start "vi" mode grafico |
| 18:20.29 | tweek_ | ecart: um, not sure i understand your question, you want to install things without using the terminal? |
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| 18:20.52 | gnugr | vi or vim |
| 18:21.01 | ecart | vim |
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| 18:21.17 | ecart | tweek_ |
| 18:21.20 | ecart | yes |
| 18:21.41 | ecart | i dont wanna use the terminal |
| 18:21.43 | tweek_ | try either synaptic (system > administration > synaptic package manager) |
| 18:21.48 | ecart | i need interface |
| 18:21.51 | gnugr | try on synaprtic with vim |
| 18:21.54 | tweek_ | and there's the software center |
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| 18:22.10 | tweek_ | i think its applications > software center or something |
| 18:22.18 | tweek_ | on the main menu, i mean |
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| 18:24.21 | gnugr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:24.44 | ecart | gnugr |
| 18:24.48 | ecart | i use debian |
| 18:24.51 | ecart | no ubuntu |
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| 18:25.19 | ecart | here heve no manu palication symantec etc |
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| 18:26.32 | koskoz | hi guys, I've got a realy big issue with my server |
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| 18:27.25 | Bushmills | some brands are just that, bad. |
| 18:27.28 | gnugr | ecart: http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/doc/debian/ch-editor.html |
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| 18:28.26 | koskoz | I've been contacted by my host provider saying that my server is brute forcing other servers |
| 18:28.30 | koskoz | how can I check that ? |
| 18:28.52 | Bushmills | koskoz: ssh enabled? password login enabled? |
| 18:29.16 | koskoz | Bushmills: yes and yes |
| 18:29.18 | Bushmills | believe your provider, and take it offline |
| 18:29.26 | koskoz | I don't see anything weird in yop |
| 18:29.36 | koskoz | *top |
| 18:29.47 | koskoz | well, I'd like to correct the problem... |
| 18:29.48 | aminpy | where is path for put libflashplayer.so for flash player in firefox? |
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| 18:30.03 | Bushmills | don't trust output of programs on a compromised machine |
| 18:30.27 | Bushmills | best correction is to reinstall |
| 18:30.43 | inedit | Bushmills, you are right |
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| 18:31.21 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 18:31.44 | inedit | koskoz, but you can try to use a sniffer like Wireshark and see what kind of traffic are the PC generating |
| 18:31.48 | ecart | does anyone know where the download manager in debian 13.1 |
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| 18:31.59 | koskoz | Bushmills: reinstalling is the only way ? It will took my hours to backup and reinstall :/ |
| 18:31.59 | ecart | I can not find |
| 18:32.09 | bhodder | Has anyone installed squeeze via serial console and tftp yet? |
| 18:32.15 | Bushmills | inedit: no, i am not... best correction is to reinstall AND set up the machine such to prevent that happening again. |
| 18:32.25 | Agiofws | can anyone give me a tool to use for connecting to a wifi hotspot in debian easily ? if the client does not know the gatways ip / subnet ? |
| 18:32.34 | ecart | does anyone know where the download manager in debian 13.1 |
| 18:32.47 | Agiofws | apt-get ? |
| 18:32.48 | koskoz | Bushmills: can I least know where it comes from, to ensure best protection in the future ? |
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| 18:32.59 | koskoz | *at |
| 18:33.01 | Bushmills | koskoz: yes. ssh. password login enabled. |
| 18:33.04 | ecart | i dont wanna use the terminal |
| 18:33.25 | koskoz | Bushmills: meaning that someone has the root password ? |
| 18:33.42 | Bushmills | koskoz: disallow password logins in future, or at very least use complex passwords, and disallow root login |
| 18:33.53 | inedit | Bushmills, well, debian is secure enough if you have good passwords in SSH and any unsecure service running. |
| 18:33.53 | bhodder | I am trying to install squeeze on a soekris board and it hangs on a blank screen in minicom after I select install, anyone succed at doing a console install yet? |
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| 18:34.41 | Bushmills | inedit: debian can be as secure as it can be, if choice of password and config allow to brute force a root password. |
| 18:34.55 | Bushmills | actually, there is little debian can do about that |
| 18:35.32 | Bushmills | that's entirely up to the admin to harden a machine. or better, to not weaken it. |
| 18:36.16 | koskoz | here is the message from my host provider : http://pastebin.com/2KWJ4kXg |
| 18:36.39 | inedit | koskoz: you can use in sshd_config the directive AllowUsers or AllowGroups. This allows you to restrict to the users/groups that can access with SSH to your machine |
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| 18:37.33 | aminpy | I install gnash in debian, but it doesn't work! |
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| 18:37.43 | inedit | this way you only permit to connect the users that you know that have good passwords |
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| 18:37.55 | Agiofws | can anyone give me a tool to use for connecting to a wifi hotspot in debian easily ? if the client does not know the gatways ip / subnet ? |
| 18:38.08 | valdyn | koskoz: maybe you just played with nmap |
| 18:38.20 | koskoz | valdyn: no I didn't |
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| 18:38.59 | valdyn | koskoz: ok, nevermind |
| 18:39.13 | valdyn | koskoz: isnt that a dynamic ip? |
| 18:39.27 | justin_ | Agiofws: network manager? |
| 18:39.27 | valdyn | koskoz: or do you have a fixed ip? |
| 18:39.46 | Agiofws | apt-get ? |
| 18:39.48 | koskoz | fixed ip |
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| 18:40.51 | justin_ | koskoz: that message really doesn't show a "hack attempt" |
| 18:40.52 | Bushmills | koskoz: how difficult were your passwords? in terms of number of characters, mixed chars,digits,other symbols? |
| 18:40.55 | valdyn | koskoz: this log is weird |
| 18:40.57 | gnugr | Agiofws: iwlist scan ? |
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| 18:41.00 | justin_ | koskoz: is that all they sent you? |
| 18:41.05 | valdyn | koskoz: it doesnt tell us much at all, and its not a typical bot |
| 18:41.09 | koskoz | yeah, that's all |
| 18:41.12 | valdyn | koskoz: did you maybe try to ssh them? |
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| 18:41.26 | Agiofws | gnugr, that would not reveal the gateways subnet |
| 18:41.39 | koskoz | Bushmills: 8 chars mixing digits and letters |
| 18:41.42 | Awerush | Hi everyone. I'm trying to disable the "--configure" part of the dpkg operations for a package I install via apt-get. All I want is a simple --unpack operation for that package. I tried apt-get -o dpkg::options::=--unpack install package_name but all I get is: "dpkg: conflicting actions -" |
| 18:41.53 | justin_ | Awerush: why? |
| 18:42.11 | Bushmills | koskoz: those aren't the typical brute forced passwords |
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| 18:42.39 | Awerush | justin_: because the package fails. The configure part needs a running mysql database which I can't or will not provide during the installation of that other package |
| 18:42.44 | Awerush | justin_: btw it's rsyslog-mysql |
| 18:42.59 | valdyn | koskoz: it should be trivial to find traces of the intruder |
| 18:43.11 | valdyn | koskoz: .. if there is oen |
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| 18:43.33 | justin_ | Awerush: why are you intalling it if you don't have a mysql server? |
| 18:43.48 | Awerush | justin_: I'd like to do some kind of unattended installation for that package on several machines without being forced to install the mysql first |
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| 18:44.11 | justin_ | does it use debconf for the server configuration? |
| 18:44.27 | Awerush | Yes. But I use DEBIAN_FRONTEND="noninteractive" |
| 18:44.27 | ttyS1 | hello, I'm trying to install Debian using the netinstall CD but when I but and select install or graphical install it freezes and it gives me with it looks like some video errors. |
| 18:44.39 | justin_ | Awerush: you can pre-answer the debconf questions |
| 18:44.45 | Agiofws | can anyone help me |
| 18:44.50 | Agiofws | You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these. |
| 18:44.50 | Agiofws | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 18:44.55 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.11 | Awerush | justin_: can I pre-answer them via apt-get? Or create a answer-file before starting apt-get install rsyslog-mysql? |
| 18:45.13 | justin_ | judd: versions libnl1 |
| 18:45.15 | judd | Package libnl1 on i386 -- lenny: 1.1-2; sid: 1.1-6; squeeze: 1.1-6; wheezy: 1.1-6 |
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| 18:45.34 | koskoz | firstly I'd like to check my server to know if it really was hacked, but I don't know how to do that |
| 18:45.34 | justin_ | Awerush: you use another tool for that, before you install the package |
| 18:45.37 | Agiofws | You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 18:45.40 | Agiofws | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 18:45.45 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.46 | justin_ | Agiofws: what did you do to break your system like that? |
| 18:46.06 | Agiofws | justin_, i didn't my system is up to date |
| 18:46.19 | themill | Agiofws: please put the entire output in a pastebin rather than spewing stuff into the channel like that. Twice. |
| 18:46.21 | inedit | koskoz, why are you using rpcbin? ( if you are using it ) |
| 18:46.23 | Agiofws | i have upgraded from lenny to squeeze |
| 18:46.32 | Agiofws | themill, sorry ok |
| 18:46.46 | koskoz | inedit: never heard of rpcbin |
| 18:46.49 | justin_ | Agiofws: did you try running the suggested command? |
| 18:47.02 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/S5hsop88 |
| 18:47.02 | Awerush | justin_: can you point me to the man page? I suppose it's debconf-set-selections, right? |
| 18:47.03 | Agiofws | no |
| 18:47.06 | Agiofws | let me try |
| 18:47.13 | justin_ | Awerush: yeah |
| 18:47.24 | ecart | is that I can not handle a system for lack of opão graphics (that embarrassing thing |
| 18:47.24 | Awerush | justin_: thanks, I'm gonna check it out |
| 18:47.33 | themill | dpkg: tell Agiofws about bat |
| 18:47.36 | ecart | option* |
| 18:47.48 | themill | Agiofws: you need to provide a lot more information than that to help us. |
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| 18:47.57 | inedit | koskoz, ok. I just have done a nmap to 88.191.132.78. i thought it'll be you IP |
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| 18:48.07 | gnugr | Agiofws: route add -net 0/0 gw IP_Gateway or echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 18:48.17 | justin_ | gnugr: you're not helping |
| 18:48.39 | ecart | i need install |
| 18:48.49 | ecart | synapt |
| 18:48.54 | ecart | in debian |
| 18:48.55 | koskoz | inedit: yeah it's my ip |
| 18:48.56 | ecart | help me |
| 18:48.57 | Agiofws | gnugr, whats the gateways IP in a net coffee shop ? you thing the waiters know the subnet ? |
| 18:49.08 | aum | hi - running sid, just did apt-get upgrade, now my audio has stopped workiing. pulseaudio is running, volume meter shows level, gnome-volume-control has everything turned up, sound device is usb audio adapter - was working fine before upgrade - any ideas? |
| 18:49.11 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/4Dp4Df5y |
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| 18:49.24 | inedit | OK, then you have 111 port ( rpcbind ) open |
| 18:49.33 | justin_ | judd: versions libnl1-pre6 |
| 18:49.34 | koskoz | that's kinda a lot |
| 18:49.34 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libnl1-pre6' was found in i386. |
| 18:49.41 | justin_ | Agiofws: where the hell did you get libnl1-pre6 from? |
| 18:49.54 | Agiofws | justin_, its was in my system ... |
| 18:49.56 | inedit | koskoz, maybe there is something that can be expoded |
| 18:50.03 | justin_ | Agiofws: well, remove it |
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| 18:50.18 | koskoz | inedit: is there a way to stop all this shi* ? |
| 18:50.31 | inedit | koskoz, the port 1720 is filtered. Normally is used for voIP comunications |
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| 18:50.43 | Agiofws | trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libnl.so.1', which is also in package libnl1-pre6 1.0~pre6-5 |
| 18:50.45 | doda | can anyone confirm that gdm3 is overriding xorg.conf keyboard layout settings ? |
| 18:50.49 | jnewt | I need to get to a prompt on my server on it's monitor. it is powered up, i can ssh to it fine, but when i plug in the monitor and hit a button on it's keyboard, the monitor comes out of sleep and says "out of range" |
| 18:50.55 | koskoz | inedit: I've got a teamspeak server runnign |
| 18:50.56 | justin_ | Agiofws: remove libnl1-pre6 |
| 18:50.57 | Agiofws | justin_, through the package manager ? |
| 18:51.06 | Agiofws | or manually ? |
| 18:51.13 | inedit | well, if it's your server you must create a rule that filter the connections to port 111 |
| 18:51.20 | justin_ | Agiofws: is there a difference? |
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| 18:51.45 | justin_ | koskoz: do you use NFS? |
| 18:51.51 | inedit | koskoz, maybe this server has a vulnerability or something, don't know. |
| 18:51.56 | Agiofws | 1) libnl1-pre6 is not in apt-gets database 2) i;d have to locate it on the disk |
| 18:51.57 | koskoz | justin_: no |
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| 18:52.14 | justin_ | then uninstall the nfs related and portmap packages |
| 18:52.22 | justin_ | Agiofws: sigh |
| 18:52.31 | justin_ | Agiofws: apt-get remove libnl1-pre6 |
| 18:52.33 | Agiofws | justin_, http://codepad.org/uAwKwmxq |
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| 18:52.37 | Agiofws | i tried that |
| 18:52.40 | Agiofws | did not work |
| 18:52.45 | justin_ | !+didn't work |
| 18:52.45 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 18:53.03 | EugenMayer | Hello. Any easy howto how to make a debian package which e.g. asks the user to input a password ( whcih i need to creata a mysql user with ) |
| 18:53.04 | inedit | koskoz, ok. we are just trying to know how the can "came in", but you *must* reinstall you PC. It'll be not secure anymore. |
| 18:53.29 | justin_ | inedit: why would someone reinstall a server that is not compromised? |
| 18:53.45 | koskoz | inedit: ok |
| 18:53.46 | inedit | justin_: it is actually compromised |
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| 18:53.56 | koskoz | inedit: I'll reinstall changing all my passwords |
| 18:54.00 | justin_ | inedit: says who? |
| 18:54.05 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/OEOQL3Cl there |
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| 18:54.06 | inedit | justion_: the ISP has banned the IP, and sent a e-mail to koskoz |
| 18:54.09 | cinix_ | jnewt: do you have any idea what is making it out of range? framebuffer on the console, x, something of that sort? |
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| 18:54.44 | justin_ | inedit: I read the message, it is vague and does not actually indicate anything is compromised |
| 18:54.44 | koskoz | inedit: and the ISP can't be wrong ? |
| 18:54.46 | inedit | koskoz, next time you have to use iptables, or something like that. and DROP all the traffic not useful |
| 18:55.24 | jnewt | cinix_: no, x isn't installed. if i reboot it, it will work, i've done it before. but if i just plug it in while it's running, it will not. that's really all i know. |
| 18:55.32 | inedit | koskoz, yeah. can be. I'll try to install wireshark or tcpdump in the machine and see what captures as I sed |
| 18:55.34 | Agiofws | how do i find what package consists libnl1-pre6 ? |
| 18:55.46 | justin_ | Agiofws: libnl1-pre6 is the package |
| 18:56.02 | justin_ | Agiofws: dpkg -P libnl1-pre6 |
| 18:56.03 | Agiofws | well it does not get removed |
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| 18:56.47 | Agiofws | Reading state information... Done |
| 18:56.50 | Agiofws | libnl1-pre6 is already the newest version. |
| 18:57.14 | justin_ | what did you run? |
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| 18:57.31 | koskoz | inedit: I have wireshark installed but dunno how to use it... |
| 18:57.37 | jhutchins_lt | Gah - I hate these stupid linksys setup pages. |
| 18:57.57 | Agiofws | justin_, apt-get install libnl1-pre6 |
| 18:58.05 | justin_ | Agiofws: FOR FUCKS SAKE |
| 18:58.05 | jhutchins_lt | There's no "Save" or "Apply" button when yo umake network changes - you only know you've made a change if you loose the connection. |
| 18:58.23 | Agiofws | stop swearing man |
| 18:58.32 | jhutchins_lt | Oops, sorry I thought I was on offtopic. |
| 18:58.33 | justin_ | Agiofws: why the hell would you tell it to INSTALL the package i have been telling you to REMOVE |
| 18:58.35 | Agiofws | i also ran the oppiste command |
| 18:58.41 | inedit | koskoz, http://www.wireshark.org/docs/wsug_html_chunked/AppToolstcpdump.html |
| 18:58.56 | Agiofws | BECAUSE it may straighten things up i cannot remove it |
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| 18:59.42 | justin_ | good luck with that |
| 19:00.06 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: If you're going to ask for help here you need to follow the suggested steps. Doing random things on your own doesn't require our help and wastes bandwidth. |
| 19:00.24 | inedit | koskoz, you can run in the server "sudo tcpdump -i <interface> -s 65535 -w dump.tmp" |
| 19:00.43 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: You also need to reply to questions in a timely manner and provide feedback on the commands you run. |
| 19:00.45 | Agiofws | it tries to INSTALL libnl1 ... but it wont because th epre package is installed so i try to UNinstall it but it does not ... |
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| 19:01.15 | koskoz | inedit: what I specify has interface ? |
| 19:01.15 | Agiofws | jhutchins_kc, i followed every thing they suggested look at the paste bins ... |
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| 19:01.18 | dkr | inedit: s/tcpdump/tshark/ :) |
| 19:01.31 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: What reply do you get when you try to remove it? |
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| 19:02.10 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/OEOQL3Cl this message |
| 19:02.17 | inedit | koskoz, "sudo ifconfig" |
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| 19:02.22 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, did you do what it suggested? |
| 19:02.32 | inedit | koskoz, the most sure that will be eth0, or something like that |
| 19:02.35 | Agiofws | yes and i get this message |
| 19:02.38 | koskoz | inedit: yeah it is |
| 19:02.39 | fn0rdperfect | Hi! So... I want two mouse buttons to generate PgDn/PgUp keypresses. I have it working with xbindkeys and xdotool, but I'm not happy with it... |
| 19:02.49 | inedit | dkr, :o new command to play with. Thnks! |
| 19:02.50 | koskoz | inedit: but thing is I don't have wireshark on my server, only on my windows |
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| 19:03.08 | Agiofws | jhutchins_kc, http://codepad.org/YdIwFD1g |
| 19:03.10 | fn0rdperfect | It should work exactly as pressing the keys would, as in "keep sending keypresses as long as the key is down". Is that possible with xbindkeys? |
| 19:03.23 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: I mean what the message suggests - apt-get -f install or aptitude -f install. |
| 19:03.39 | Agiofws | ^^ already pasted ... ^^ |
| 19:04.12 | inedit | koskoz, don't worry. this the previous command you'll save a dump of "what is going on" in you network |
| 19:04.45 | koskoz | inedit: tcpdump not found :D |
| 19:05.01 | inedit | koskoz, then you have to copy it to you local machine ( with, "scp", or something ), and after that you have to open the file with the Wireshark ( that is multiplataform ) |
| 19:05.14 | inedit | koskoz: "sudo aptitude install tcpdump" |
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| 19:05.43 | koskoz | inedit: already tried |
| 19:05.56 | jhutchins_lt | Agiofws: dpkg -l libnl1* please |
| 19:06.03 | cahoot | <dkr> inedit: s/tcpdump/tshark/ |
| 19:06.15 | justin_ | Agiofws: apt-get remove network-manager libnl1 libnl1-pre6 && apt-get install network-manager |
| 19:06.24 | justin_ | even though I'm pretty sure dpkg -P would have fixed it |
| 19:06.38 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.47 | jhutchins_lt | justin_: It looks like it's got a version conflict and isn't removing the old pre6 package. |
| 19:06.51 | koskoz | cahoot: when I try to install tshark : The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 19:06.53 | justin_ | jhutchins_lt: I know that |
| 19:06.58 | justin_ | jhutchins_lt: libnl1-pre6 is from etch |
| 19:07.13 | jhutchins_lt | justin_: So why isn't it removing it with apt-get remove? |
| 19:07.14 | inedit | cahoot, okok I see. thnks! it's just that I know how to use tcpdump :P |
| 19:07.23 | Agiofws | supporters do i run that command justin_ ? |
| 19:07.45 | Agiofws | Removing network-manager ... |
| 19:07.45 | Agiofws | Removing libnl1-pre6 ... |
| 19:08.05 | justin_ | jhutchins_lt: it probably would have if he upgraded from etch to lenny properly |
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| 19:08.36 | Agiofws | i think justin_ pinned it down |
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| 19:08.45 | Agiofws | Starting network connection manager: NetworkManager. |
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| 19:09.15 | Agiofws | ii network-manager 0.8.1-6 network management framework daemon |
| 19:09.23 | justin_ | Agiofws: what does aptitude search ~o list? |
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| 19:10.36 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/7e7bDlJA |
| 19:10.53 | Agiofws | doesn't network-manager have a executable bin ? |
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| 19:11.22 | justin_ | Agiofws: you need to run the nm-applet |
| 19:11.43 | minimike | Hello |
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| 19:12.32 | Agiofws | network-manager-gnome - network management framework (GNOME frontend) ? |
| 19:12.47 | justin_ | yes |
| 19:13.31 | minimike | It seems that Debian Squeeze has no PolicyKit.conf anymore. How can I enable shutdown, suspend and resume on Windowmanagers like XFCE, IceWM or E17 for regular users? |
| 19:14.06 | erAbuelo | buenas tardes |
| 19:14.14 | Agiofws | i wish my laptop supported suspend to ram or to disk ... |
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| 19:17.38 | poet | I just did an upgrade to squeeze from lenny and the UUID of the root partition is wrong. I know what the new one is, but what do I edit to change this? |
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| 19:19.21 | erAbuelo | poet: edit /etc/fstab and update-grub |
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| 19:20.10 | poet | erAbuelo: Im in the emergy shell, so do I need to mount the parition first? |
| 19:20.28 | poet | *emergency |
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| 19:21.33 | koskoz | I did an aptitude update but I still can't install tcpdump |
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| 19:21.39 | koskoz | when I do an update I've got this : |
| 19:21.46 | erAbuelo | poet: in the grub ? |
| 19:21.47 | thewanderer1 | guys, I'm trying to compile a kernel with make-kpkg and, despite having set `ulimit -v 700000`, I get this: "ld: final link failed: Memory exhausted". have about 512MB of RAM and 256MB swap here. |
| 19:21.48 | koskoz | Err http://volatile.debian.org squeeze/volatile/main Sources |
| 19:21.48 | koskoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.56 | koskoz | is it connected ? |
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| 19:22.24 | poet | erAbuelo: I'm not sure exatcly where I am, but here is what is being printed out |
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| 19:22.49 | justin_ | !+volatile |
| 19:22.49 | dpkg | Squeeze users, ask me about <squeeze volatile>. Debian Volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <oldstable> distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. http://www.debian.org/volatile/ |
| 19:23.13 | poet | erAbuelo: http://paste.debian.net/109918/ |
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| 19:23.50 | erAbuelo | poet: ok, mount de partition and edit /etc/fstab with the new uuid |
| 19:23.59 | koskoz | justin_: so it has nothing related to the fact I can't install tcpdump ? |
| 19:24.00 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/141697 |
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| 19:24.49 | justin_ | koskoz: /msg dpkg squeeze volatile |
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| 19:25.27 | koskoz | justin_: ? |
| 19:25.39 | justin_ | koskoz: ? |
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| 19:26.41 | koskoz | justin_: what do you want me to do with /msg dpkg squeeze volatile , |
| 19:26.54 | poet | erAbuelo: ok, makes sense. Mount seems to be failing with this: http://paste.debian.net/109919/ |
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| 19:29.26 | justin_ | poet: fdisk -l ? |
| 19:29.36 | justin_ | also, don't mount things on /tmp/ |
| 19:29.37 | EM03 | have debian squeeze, how can I downgrade my PHP? |
| 19:29.40 | EM03 | is it even possible? |
| 19:29.42 | zac314159 | does anyone know of a free/opensource skype, that works with skype? |
| 19:29.44 | erAbuelo | poet: /tmp failed: No such file or directory <--- exist ? |
| 19:30.08 | poet | justin_:I dont have access to fdisk, Im in initramfs |
| 19:30.11 | poet | yeah it exists |
| 19:30.23 | justin_ | poet: cat /proc/partitions |
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| 19:30.40 | zac314159 | maybe I should ask on debian-offtopic |
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| 19:31.04 | poet | justin_:http://paste.debian.net/109920/ |
| 19:31.47 | erAbuelo | poet: use /mnt instead /tmp |
| 19:32.20 | justin_ | i forget if that message means /tmp doesn't exist, or if /dev/xvda1 doesn't exist |
| 19:32.47 | justin_ | on a normal system you would get 'mount: special device /dev/foo does not exist' |
| 19:32.54 | erAbuelo | justin_: in mount |
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| 19:32.56 | justin_ | but I think 'mount' in initramfs is busybox mount |
| 19:32.58 | erAbuelo | uiii |
| 19:33.08 | justin_ | ah |
| 19:33.15 | justin_ | sudo busybox mount /dev/foo /tmp -> mount: mounting /dev/foo on /tmp failed: No such file or directory |
| 19:33.26 | poet | erAbuelo: /mnt doesn't exist, should I create it |
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| 19:33.35 | justin_ | poet: do you have /dev/disk/.... ? |
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| 19:34.06 | poet | justin_: yes I do |
| 19:34.17 | justin_ | poet: ah, you should be able to mount it from there |
| 19:34.45 | poet | I still get the same no such file or directory message when I try to mount with /dev/disk/by-uuid/[UUID] |
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| 19:35.39 | justin_ | poet: and you gave it a valid mountpoint? |
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| 19:35.54 | poet | justin_: I used /tmp/rescue, which does exist |
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| 19:36.11 | daemonkeeper | I did not really follow your discussion, but do you fail to find /dev/xvda1 in a Xen domU by chance? |
| 19:36.20 | poet | daemonkeeper: yes |
| 19:37.01 | daemonkeeper | You need to include xen_blkfront in your initrd. |
| 19:37.32 | poet | daemonkeeper; hrm, ok, is that fixable from initramfs? |
| 19:37.52 | daemonkeeper | Add it to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and rebuild the initrd. |
| 19:38.19 | poet | daemonkeeper: hrm, but if Im not able to mount the partition in the first place to edit that file? |
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| 19:38.33 | daemonkeeper | You can mount it from the dom0 |
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| 19:39.01 | azertyy | hi there |
| 19:39.05 | azertyy | is there anyone here ? |
| 19:39.05 | project2501a | hihi |
| 19:39.07 | project2501a | no |
| 19:39.13 | project2501a | we all went for beer! |
| 19:39.16 | project2501a | what's up? |
| 19:39.18 | azertyy | well i made a small mistake |
| 19:39.24 | project2501a | we forgive you |
| 19:39.31 | daemonkeeper | How do you know? |
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| 19:39.39 | azertyy | ok let's check if you can |
| 19:39.53 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 19:39.58 | hid3 | Hello everyone. How do I find out which CPU is a particular process using? |
| 19:40.02 | azertyy | i have done chmod -R 777 / and chown -R roor:root / |
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| 19:40.17 | project2501a | is there a gateway that allows people to view streams of syslog messages (Or any other logging facility) on the web? |
| 19:40.24 | erAbuelo | azertyy: bfff |
| 19:40.35 | azertyy | now i got a small permission and owner problem on my system |
| 19:40.36 | ZykoticK9 | azertyy, i wouldn't consider that a "small" mistake. Good luck. |
| 19:40.38 | daemonkeeper | project2501a: There are dozens of syslog viewers. |
| 19:40.38 | project2501a | azertyy: lol |
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| 19:40.45 | azertyy | how to rescue to default ? |
| 19:40.45 | ronny2 | azertyy: you remind me of that manage, where that guy made the small misstake of anhilating half a planet |
| 19:40.46 | justin_ | azertyy: do you have another debian system? |
| 19:40.54 | joeb_ | hi all .. is it safe to ask ubuntu questions in debian as far as apt and dpkg |
| 19:40.59 | project2501a | daemonkeeper: i will google for "syslog viewers" |
| 19:41.02 | daemonkeeper | joeb_: No |
| 19:41.05 | joeb_ | 0_o |
| 19:41.10 | project2501a | joeb_: no |
| 19:41.12 | daemonkeeper | joeb_: -> #ubuntu |
| 19:41.14 | azertyy | yes |
| 19:41.15 | joeb_ | ok |
| 19:41.16 | joeb_ | thanks |
| 19:41.18 | azertyy | of course |
| 19:41.24 | joeb_ | is it just are rule ? |
| 19:41.32 | daemonkeeper | !ubuntu |
| 19:41.32 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 19:41.40 | dkr | hid3: it can change somewhat quickly |
| 19:42.03 | project2501a | mark shuttleworth went twice in space, only to come back down and inflict ubuntu on humanity. |
| 19:42.20 | dkr | hid3: check out taskset |
| 19:42.24 | azertyy | what i have to do exactly ? |
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| 19:42.34 | azertyy | what is the use of recovery mode |
| 19:42.38 | azertyy | etc ... |
| 19:42.49 | ronny2 | project2501a: i suppose bumping his head in space once didnt di enough dammage |
| 19:42.55 | hid3 | dkr: yeah, I know it can change. But any possibility to check it with `ps`, `top`, or by cat'ing /proc to shee which one is at the moment? |
| 19:43.07 | bzrk | azertyy: try reinstalling all packages maybe |
| 19:43.17 | bzrk | then change /etc manually |
| 19:43.19 | project2501a | ronny2: hehehe |
| 19:43.24 | azertyy | i know on windows that we restore to one day or month back |
| 19:43.27 | ronny2 | hmm |
| 19:43.31 | ronny2 | meh |
| 19:43.32 | azertyy | is it possible to do the same thing ? |
| 19:43.34 | bzrk | azertyy: thats what is called a backup |
| 19:43.39 | dkr | hid3: taskset can give a pids cpu affinity, which is most likely what cpu it is using. ;) |
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| 19:43.46 | ronny2 | now i have to learn how to go without ppa's |
| 19:43.49 | bzrk | azertyy: did you make a nbackup?? |
| 19:43.57 | justin_ | azertyy: find / -xdev -printf "chmod %m %p\n" |
| 19:44.04 | azertyy | i don't know i m windows user |
| 19:44.23 | joeb_ | aw ok |
| 19:44.29 | azertyy | justin_: this command for what ? |
| 19:44.41 | justin_ | azertyy: find / -xdev -printf "chown %u.%g %p\n" |
| 19:44.52 | joeb_ | late |
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| 19:44.54 | justin_ | azertyy: run that on a good debian system, it will output a script you can run on the one you hosed |
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| 19:45.02 | justin_ | that'll get things mostly back to normal |
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| 19:45.08 | gnugr | hid3: aptitude install htop |
| 19:45.11 | hid3 | Well, it shows affinity mask to be 'f' (means all CPUs) but still this daemon is not multi-threaded and is a single process using some CPU.. Dunno which.. |
| 19:45.39 | hid3 | gnugr: yeah, I have htop but still can't find that info I'm looking for |
| 19:46.08 | azertyy | if i understand it correctly will change correct everything ? justin_ |
| 19:46.20 | jhutchins_lt | Snapshots like that are not a default feature, but you can set them up yourself. |
| 19:46.27 | justin_ | azertyy: I think you should avoid running things you don't understand for a while |
| 19:46.29 | valdyn | hid3: single tasks dont run on single cpus all the time, only on just one cpu at a time |
| 19:46.35 | jhutchins_lt | azertyy: You have to learn about the available software first. |
| 19:47.09 | jhutchins_lt | azertyy: However, because of the way package management works in Debian, it's not as big an issue - it's very easy to remove a package and all of the changes it made. |
| 19:47.19 | azertyy | you command is doing something justin_ |
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| 19:47.27 | jhutchins_lt | azertyy: In Windows that's much more diffficult. |
| 19:47.50 | valdyn | i dare say impossible |
| 19:48.14 | azertyy | ok, |
| 19:48.26 | dkr | hid3: hrm, I recalled reading about how the linux kernel scheduler tries to keep procs running on the same cpu as much as possible. I didn't realize this was nto done through the processor affinity flag. it seems this is just so you can override it yourself, won't tell you waht the"current" automatic affinity is |
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| 19:48.40 | valdyn | dkr: it does not do that |
| 19:48.46 | valdyn | dkr: on the contrary |
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| 19:49.26 | dkr | hrm, man tasket seems to agree with what i just wrote |
| 19:49.27 | azertyy | justin_: i got lots of data |
| 19:50.35 | valdyn | dkr: nevermind, im wrong, that changed |
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| 19:50.51 | azertyy | i m sorry i understand it justin_ |
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| 19:51.04 | azertyy | what is the script name ? |
| 19:51.07 | dkr | you can use taskset to set processor affinity, and it will *only* run ont he cpu you specify. this is separate from the "natural" affinity the kernel uses for performance |
| 19:51.22 | justin_ | oh dear :) |
| 19:51.31 | justin_ | azertyy: you need to run those commands and add >> a_script at the end |
| 19:51.50 | valdyn | dkr: its switching still by default, but quite rarely, at least here in this experiment |
| 19:51.54 | valdyn | dkr: in default settings |
| 19:52.15 | azertyy | understake |
| 19:52.22 | azertyy | sorry understand |
| 19:52.43 | azertyy | find / -xdev -printf "chmod %m %p\n" > script.sh ? am i right ? |
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| 19:52.58 | azertyy | on my working system |
| 19:53.31 | azertyy | and then i have to move the script to the broken system |
| 19:53.36 | azertyy | and run it ? |
| 19:53.38 | azertyy | am i right ? |
| 19:53.57 | erAbuelo | i think it's easier to reinstall |
| 19:54.01 | justin_ | find / ! -perm 777 -xdev -printf "chmod %m %p && chown %u.%g %p\n" |
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| 19:54.07 | valdyn | azertyy: yes |
| 19:54.07 | justin_ | erAbuelo: nobody asked you |
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| 19:54.17 | justin_ | azertyy: use that one, it's a bit better |
| 19:54.18 | danols | hi all |
| 19:54.24 | stockholm | is there an mpi channel here? how do i find channels on freenode? |
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| 19:54.32 | danols | how does the JS packages like mootools work in debian ? |
| 19:54.33 | azertyy | why you put 777 again ? justin_ |
| 19:54.47 | daemonkeeper | stockholm: /help list |
| 19:54.50 | danols | if I have a site that already includes lets say mootools - why does debian have these as packages ? |
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| 19:54.58 | daemonkeeper | stockholm: Your IRC client might have a handy wrapper around /list |
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| 19:55.09 | azertyy | grosse tete justin_ |
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| 19:55.25 | tensorpudding | is there a page with documentation on all the variables that CDBS uses? |
| 19:55.27 | valdyn | danols: how is debian supposed to know about your site? |
| 19:55.28 | justin_ | azertyy: it skips symlinks mostly |
| 19:55.55 | valdyn | danols: or why would you knowingly without a good reason circumvent the package management? |
| 19:56.07 | azertyy | ok that's why you put 777 ? |
| 19:56.09 | justin_ | azertyy: one you run that script, that'll fix almost everything.. then just run find / -type f -perm 777 to see what it missed |
| 19:56.13 | daemonkeeper | tensorpudding: Can't help you in particular, as I never used CDBS, but if you have no luck here, you might want to ask such questions in #debian-mentors on OFTC |
| 19:56.14 | justin_ | those you can just reinstall |
| 19:56.26 | azertyy | ok if any |
| 19:56.29 | azertyy | what i have to do ? |
| 19:56.41 | justin_ | first generate and run that script, it will take a while to run |
| 19:56.43 | azertyy | ok if anything is present what i have to do ? |
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| 19:56.51 | justin_ | figure that out when it happens |
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| 19:57.13 | azertyy | ok i start with this script |
| 19:57.29 | justin_ | that'll at least fix all the core stuff in /sbin and /etc |
| 19:57.31 | azertyy | find / ! -perm 777 -xdev -printf "chmod %m %p && chown %u.%g %p\n" > script.sh |
| 19:57.42 | gnugr | never chmod 777 max 775 |
| 19:57.53 | justin_ | important stuff like /bin/login and /etc/shadow :) |
| 19:57.59 | danols | valdyn: no I don't understand how it all works |
| 19:58.23 | danols | valdyn: like when I installed the mootool package what happens ? - where does it go ? etc |
| 19:58.47 | danols | valdyn: like why don't I simply include a mootool file in my site - what's the benefit of the debian package? |
| 19:58.48 | valdyn | danols: it goes into places as defined by the fhs and debian policy |
| 19:59.13 | valdyn | danols: and wherver it goes is registered in a database that you can query with dpkg -l <packagename> |
| 19:59.51 | valdyn | danols: why dont you build linux from scratch? |
| 20:00.08 | valdyn | danols: because it makes sense to use work of people who know better |
| 20:00.16 | danols | what is the benefit of that setup from a web perspective - i'm confused - when I develop a site I include a mootools in the directory |
| 20:00.34 | valdyn | danols: same can be said about an individual package like moowhatever, youre free to use your own though |
| 20:00.38 | tensorpudding | this package using cdbs is really hard for me to grok |
| 20:01.10 | poet | justin_ , daemonkeeper , erAbuelo: got it fixed, thanks for the time and help :) |
| 20:01.19 | erAbuelo | dnd |
| 20:01.45 | danols | valdyn: of course I can do whatever I want - I'm trying to understand why or what is the other way - you are not helping in answering it |
| 20:01.52 | danols | valdyn: do you code sites ? |
| 20:01.56 | valdyn | danols: you dont need to offload security ( or any kind of support to debian ), but some people do want that |
| 20:01.59 | nkuttler | danols: install the package, /usr/share/doc/packagename |
| 20:02.32 | tensorpudding | since i'm not using debian i'm worried that it's actually a problem with incompatible tools |
| 20:02.32 | valdyn | danols: im pretty sure i told you why people like software packages, be it moowhatever or *whatever* |
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| 20:02.45 | nkuttler | except that security in a 'stable' web app can be non-existent when fixes can't be backported |
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| 20:03.33 | danols | nkuttler: ok so the only thing I can think of is that rather than putting a file in my site I put a symbolic link to the package? |
| 20:03.52 | danols | and hence when I upgrade the package all sites get the update? |
| 20:04.04 | nkuttler | danols: check the debian docs. i've never bothered to check debian js packages |
| 20:04.12 | danols | nkuttler: I will |
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| 20:04.18 | danols | doing it now maybe it will clarify it |
| 20:04.19 | danols | thanks |
| 20:04.21 | danols | thanks valdyn |
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| 20:05.32 | nkuttler | danols: debian works fine when you install the packaged apps. if you are a developer and want newer stuff keeping it secure is your job |
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| 20:07.04 | danols | nkuttler: I understand this is JS we are talking about though |
| 20:07.19 | danols | read the docs |
| 20:07.25 | danols | it does an alias in apache conf |
| 20:07.53 | danols | alias to the mootools.js - don't like that so I'll stick to my approach |
| 20:07.57 | danols | thanks for the help all |
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| 20:09.50 | tensorpudding | huh, that's really strange |
| 20:10.16 | tensorpudding | i figured out what this variable was and where it was set |
| 20:10.38 | tensorpudding | but for some reason it doesn't work right in ubuntu due to the difference in versioning styles |
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| 20:12.17 | tensorpudding | that would be a good reason to suspect why this debian package fails to build on ubuntu, except that it works fine |
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| 20:23.49 | azertyy | justin_: i run that command on a working, and i transfer the script.sh file to my broken system, but when i run script.sh it says : The script started, file is typescript and it goes to next line is that normal |
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| 20:25.05 | azertyy | working system |
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| 20:27.42 | little_owl | Is it possible to export a list of installed metapackages? |
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| 20:30.33 | dondelelcaro | little_owl: aptitude search '~i?tag(role::metapackage)' |
| 20:30.59 | dondelelcaro | little_owl: that isn't necessarily exhaustive or accurate, but it should list most of them |
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| 20:31.10 | little_owl | dondelelcaro: Thanks a lot! |
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| 20:31.20 | dondelelcaro | little_owl: see the aptitude manual for more information on what that actually does |
| 20:31.56 | little_owl | I will do, I needed a hint. |
| 20:32.17 | ZykoticK9 | dondelelcaro, for me that search doesn't return anything... |
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| 20:33.27 | Vasistha | I receive mail messages on my local system from apt and cron jobs. The sender/recipient are usually root@saraswati.localdomain. How can I send such a message to myself? I'd like to set up a cron job that does so |
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| 20:34.27 | justin_ | Vasistha: cron jobs automatically mail their output to you |
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| 20:35.26 | Banichi | the output automatically goes to the owner of the crontab, or to the value of MAILTO if that is set in the crontab |
| 20:35.47 | Vasistha | ah, okay... thanks! |
| 20:35.59 | Vasistha | I want to set up a cron job to remind me to pay my rent, because I keep forgetting to do it :P |
| 20:36.17 | little_owl | Is there some way, how to get rid off a metapackage and preserve installed files? |
| 20:36.27 | Banichi | run "crontab -e" as your normal user to set your own crontab |
| 20:36.29 | justin_ | echo 'pay your rent' would work just fine |
| 20:36.50 | justin_ | little_owl: remove the metapackage |
| 20:36.59 | Vasistha | justin_: yeah, that's what I was thinking :-) Banichi: ah, cool, that's wonderful-- much better than putting it in /etc I guess |
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| 20:37.42 | little_owl | justin_: dpkg --remove --force-all metapackage ? |
| 20:37.55 | little_owl | And what about broken dependencies_ |
| 20:38.00 | little_owl | _ |
| 20:38.03 | little_owl | ? |
| 20:38.04 | justin_ | metapackages depend on other packages |
| 20:38.10 | justin_ | packages do not depend on metapackages |
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| 20:39.13 | little_owl | justin_: OK, dependency analysis. Thanks. |
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| 20:40.48 | Vasistha | hmm, it doesn't look like there is an easy way to make cron work on the last day of a month, whether that be 28, 29, 30, or 31... maybe I'll just run daily and test to see if it's the last day of a month. |
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| 20:41.07 | _linuxftw | Hi I've got a problem with installing the mysql-server-5.1 package. When I try and install it apt-get tells me it's partially installed, but fails to fix the problem. Here's the output: http://codepad.org/JheeHC86 |
| 20:41.14 | Banichi | little_owl: eg. for "gnome": aptitude unmarkauto '?reverse-depends(?name(^gnome$))|?reverse-recommends(?name(^gnome$))'; aptitude remove gnome |
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| 20:43.47 | little_owl | Banichi: Thanks, that is probably what I need. |
| 20:44.13 | tensorpudding | okay, when i try building this package now, i get a bunch of errors from dpkg-source about changed binary contents |
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| 20:44.30 | tensorpudding | how does it know these binary contents have changed? |
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| 20:46.43 | Banichi | tensorpudding: diff |
| 20:46.50 | azertyy | are you there justin_ |
| 20:47.01 | tensorpudding | Banichi: it has nothing to diff against |
| 20:47.07 | dvheumen | hi everyone. Got a strange thing here, solution is probably trivial, but I can't find it :| ... I can do 'host <ip address>' from debian server to search for alle winxp workstations without a problem. But ip addresses of Win7 clients cannot be looked up. I have search on google, but it's hard to search for this. |
| 20:47.11 | tensorpudding | what is it diffing against? |
| 20:47.18 | antoszka | Hi â is there an iproute2 compatible way of setting multiple IP addresses in /etc/network/interfaces, or do I still need to work with aliases? |
| 20:47.18 | Banichi | tensorpudding: it has the original source tarball |
| 20:47.28 | azertyy | justin_: i run that command on a working system, and i transfer the script.sh file to my broken system, but when i run script.sh it says : The script started, file is typescript and it goes to next line is that normal ? |
| 20:47.36 | Banichi | it might be being slightly clever and unpacking it behind your back so it can run "diff" |
| 20:47.38 | azertyy | are what to do now ? |
| 20:47.39 | tensorpudding | these files must be in the original source tarball, i haven't changed them... |
| 20:47.42 | justin_ | azertyy: you ran script |
| 20:47.50 | justin_ | azertyy: you should have ran ./script.sh |
| 20:47.59 | Vasistha | hmm, cron doesn't seem to be using bash. Is it using dash? |
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| 20:48.36 | Banichi | antoszka: use post-up commands |
| 20:48.45 | antoszka | Banichi: thx |
| 20:48.51 | tensorpudding | cron's supposed to use /bin/sh |
| 20:48.53 | Banichi | eg. up ip addr add x.y.z.q/n brd + dev $INTERFACE |
| 20:48.55 | jelly-home | Vasistha: it's using /bin/sh if it has to |
| 20:49.05 | Banichi | it's not really pretty but it works |
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| 20:49.56 | azertyy | i m as root but it says : permission not allowed when i run with this : ./script.sh justin_ |
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| 20:50.07 | Banichi | dvheumen: it's possible they just don't have rdns configured? |
| 20:50.10 | azertyy | what to do now ? |
| 20:50.27 | Banichi | azertyy: is it executable? |
| 20:50.30 | antoszka | Banichi: Can I have multiple post-up commands consecutively (for numerous invocations of ip a add <...>)? |
| 20:50.33 | Banichi | yes |
| 20:50.36 | Banichi | as many as you like |
| 20:50.44 | antoszka | ok |
| 20:50.48 | Banichi | man 5 interfaces ftw |
| 20:50.50 | Vasistha | jelly-home: hmm. Well my /bin/sh is a symlink to bash (for better or for worse) But it's giving me a syntax error on this: [ $(date -d '+1 day' +%d) = '08' ] && echo 'pay rent' |
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| 20:51.12 | Vasistha | of course I'll change it to 01 after I finish debugging :-) |
| 20:51.14 | jelly-home | antoszka: you can have post-up for i in `seq 5 200`; do ip a add 10.0.0.$i/24; done if you want to |
| 20:51.21 | antoszka | Banichi: I did â it just doesn't mention whether there can be many. |
| 20:51.39 | antoszka | jelly-home: so i actually runs sh -c "<foo>", yeah? |
| 20:51.45 | jelly-home | antoszka: yep |
| 20:51.46 | dvheumen | Banichi: I'm not exactly sure about this configuration. The network is a Win2008 domain :| and only the debian server has trouble looking up these ip adresses. Pinging to the addresses works flawlessly of course. Debian has dns and wins pointing to win2008 |
| 20:51.47 | antoszka | ok |
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| 20:52.42 | azertyy | no it wasn't exectuable, but now it's okay |
| 20:52.47 | azertyy | no it wasn't exectuable, but now it's okay Banichi |
| 20:53.16 | Banichi | dvheumen: you need to find out who/what is setting up rdns, if it's the domain dhcp implementation then I can't help you |
| 20:53.30 | Banichi | windows name resolution may not be using dns |
| 20:53.53 | tensorpudding | okay, now i'm getting errors with dpatch |
| 20:54.01 | dvheumen | Banichi: it's (probably) the domain dhcp implementation :P Well, thanks for trying :) ... I'll check to be sure, but it's probably that :P |
| 20:54.26 | tensorpudding | why is it trying to deapply patches that haven't been applied? |
| 20:54.28 | dvheumen | Banichi: the strange thing is that lookups by name are no problem, it's just lookup by ip |
| 20:54.46 | azertyy | the script finish justin_ what 's the next step ? |
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| 20:57.26 | dvheumen | okay, so this is kind of a shot in the dark: I'm trying to find out why the samba connection to some win7 clients drops all of a sudden and they cannot reconnect anymore until restart. I have been looking for weeks on the internet and such, but there's no real solution. Anyone had any problem like this? |
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| 20:58.46 | dvheumen | *make that *all* win7 clients |
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| 20:59.07 | Banichi | pastebin config? |
| 21:00.53 | dvheumen | Banichi: were you talking to me? |
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| 21:01.43 | Banichi | yes |
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| 21:04.32 | starenka | hi |
| 21:04.53 | azertyy | hello there |
| 21:04.54 | azertyy | any |
| 21:04.56 | azertyy | one |
| 21:05.02 | azertyy | i made a small mistake on my system : i just done chmod -R 777 / with chown -R root:root / |
| 21:05.31 | starenka | ops |
| 21:05.32 | azertyy | can i leave my system like that ? |
| 21:05.46 | _linuxftw | I doubt anything will work if you don't run as a root |
| 21:05.53 | justin_ | azertyy: uhh, don't you think you should mention the thing I had you do to fix everything? |
| 21:06.05 | justin_ | azertyy: the next thing you need to do is fix the user home directories in /home |
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| 21:06.24 | jhutchins_lt | Oh, it should work ok, it's just totally insecure now. |
| 21:06.40 | starenka | is it possible to set proxy just for single login session? f.e i have a server which servers apache etc, i want to login, set a proxy for such session, do some stuff and logout. i don't want this session to affect the rest of the system. is it even possible? |
| 21:06.44 | justin_ | jhutchins_lt: no, he's being unhelpful and not mentioning what I had him do to fix it |
| 21:06.48 | jhutchins_lt | sIGH. |
| 21:06.57 | nkuttler | azertyy: i'd reinstall |
| 21:07.05 | justin_ | nkuttler: you're not helping |
| 21:07.08 | jhutchins_lt | Second the reinstall. |
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| 21:07.25 | justin_ | reinstalling is a waste of time |
| 21:07.28 | nkuttler | justin_: i think you're not helping |
| 21:07.37 | dvheumen | Banichi: this is the config: http://pastebin.com/4kEVvcyr |
| 21:07.43 | justin_ | nkuttler: I HAVE been helping |
| 21:07.57 | nkuttler | manually fixing all permissions to something safe and secure is a bigger waste of time |
| 21:08.01 | justin_ | good job jumping in an hour later and tell him to reinstall |
| 21:08.10 | nkuttler | see, one hour already... |
| 21:08.11 | dvheumen | Banichi: note that this is going on for some time, and it only affects the Win7 clients, the WinXP clients haven't had this problem even a single time |
| 21:08.12 | justin_ | I didn't have him do it manually, I had him copy all the permissions off a working install |
| 21:08.43 | nkuttler | justin_: not sure why you jump on me like this. i just gave my opinion. no need to freak out |
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| 21:09.32 | dvheumen | Banichi: and the drops seem to happen when someone writes a fairly large file, but I haven't been able to reproduce this with either a harddisk test tool or a python script writing loads of random data (pushing up to 10.x MB/s network transfer) |
| 21:09.35 | azertyy | what i have to do justin_ ? |
| 21:09.43 | justin_ | azertyy: this system have a lot of users on it, or just 1 or 2? |
| 21:10.21 | jelly-home | justin_: sometimes you need to consider the user in question may not be willing or able to follow through a nontrivial procedure. In this case it might really be better to let them fix it the way they can deal with |
| 21:10.22 | azertyy | i used to work with root account |
| 21:10.39 | azertyy | but i think there are more user working other program |
| 21:10.57 | justin_ | azertyy: ls /home/ |
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| 21:11.03 | jelly-home | justin_: one clue is a user forgetting completely what you told them not an hour ago |
| 21:11.23 | justin_ | jelly-home: he didn't so much forget as he is terrible at asking questions |
| 21:11.35 | justin_ | he should have mentioned that he already fixed the bulk of the system |
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| 21:12.28 | azertyy | there are six folder |
| 21:12.33 | azertyy | there are six folder justin_ |
| 21:12.39 | azertyy | for ls /home |
| 21:13.04 | Banichi | dvheumen: don't know much about security = ADS I'm afraid, I think the auth involves the domain controller(s) so you might want to check their logs too |
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| 21:13.33 | Tekku | Hello Everyone |
| 21:13.44 | justin_ | azertyy: well, you'll need to fix those, unless you have backups to restore the perms from... chown foo:foo -R /home/foo for each user should mostly fix things |
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| 21:14.52 | justin_ | azertyy: then I'd say chmod o= -R /home/* |
| 21:15.03 | dvheumen | Banichi: well, I can understand that you can't help me there. I'm quite sure that it isn't an authentication issue. As everything hangs and they don't get a response anymore, instead of access denied or such an error. But thanks anyways |
| 21:15.07 | justin_ | azertyy: that would remove world rwx perms from all the user files |
| 21:17.02 | azertyy | why chmod o= -R /home/* |
| 21:17.05 | azertyy | ? |
| 21:17.13 | justin_ | azertyy: what did I just say? |
| 21:17.30 | azertyy | chmod zero or wo ? |
| 21:17.34 | azertyy | chmod zero or O ? |
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| 21:17.46 | justin_ | copy and paste it? |
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| 21:18.15 | azertyy | ok |
| 21:18.25 | tziku | how can i move my backup file to a samba server from my local network ? |
| 21:18.47 | Phantom_Hoover | Is there any chance of me getting a copy of AUCTeX that actually *works* from APT any time soon? |
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| 21:19.55 | EM03 | on debian squeeze is there any way to downgrade to php 5.2? |
| 21:20.14 | justin_ | EM03: why do you want to downgrade php? |
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| 21:20.25 | EM03 | many apps broke with the 5.3 release |
| 21:20.35 | EM03 | and its not my stuff exactly and i don't have a month to fix all the changes |
| 21:20.45 | justin_ | sure you can't fix it by changing the php settings? |
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| 21:21.09 | EM03 | don't thin kso |
| 21:21.18 | EM03 | php changed the way it works with references |
| 21:21.51 | justin_ | lol, good old php |
| 21:22.14 | dvheumen | thnx again, I'm gonna fiddle around some more :P |
| 21:22.55 | Phantom_Hoover | Seriously, it's very annoying when I can't use such a basic feature on a fairly common application. |
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| 21:23.37 | azertyy | i just done it justin_ |
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| 21:24.29 | cabana | hi |
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| 21:24.58 | azertyy | then ? |
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| 21:25.09 | cabana | azertyy: PL :D |
| 21:25.49 | EM03 | justin_: how can i downgrade it ? |
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| 21:26.07 | cabana | Jest ktoÅ z Polski? |
| 21:26.12 | jhutchins_lt | !downgrade |
| 21:26.12 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 21:26.24 | Agiofws | hello |
| 21:26.27 | jhutchins_lt | !tell cabana about pl |
| 21:26.35 | cabana | jhutchins_lt: thx :) |
| 21:26.40 | cabana | jhutchins_lt: pozdro |
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| 21:26.50 | jhutchins_lt | :-) |
| 21:27.15 | EM03 | is there any way i can put a lower version of PHP |
| 21:27.17 | EM03 | ? |
| 21:27.52 | Agiofws | i am looking for a gui application that searches for available dhcp wifi networks and connects to them via users will i have installed nm-applet but it does not seem to work like that i can't even find a connect to ... button how would you do this in linux ? |
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| 21:33.12 | azertyy | are you there justin_ ? |
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| 21:34.15 | azertyy | some of my program owned by some user like asterisk for example now those file, i still can see owned by root, what to do ? |
| 21:36.00 | koskoz | in this howto : http://wiki.debian.org/iptables at the end when he sets up the if-pre-up.d script, the file is iptables.test.rules right, not iptables.up.rules ? |
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| 21:40.59 | jhutchins_lt | Second the reinstall. |
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| 21:43.12 | allisterb | hello I'm not sure if I'm doing this correctly - I booted the Squeeze LiveDVD so I could check the filesystem on one of my machines, but there seems to be no sign of any fsck programs. I tried both rescue and live GUI modes but no luck - aren't fsck tools on the Live disc? |
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| 21:43.53 | DotHack | hi all |
| 21:44.29 | petemc | allisterb: /sbin/fsck |
| 21:45.21 | DotHack | is ext4 production ready are there any acveats on using it? |
| 21:45.24 | justin_ | azertyy: why would something be owned by asterisk? |
| 21:45.35 | justin_ | Agiofws: just use network manager |
| 21:45.41 | justin_ | Agiofws: why are you making everything so complicated? |
| 21:45.54 | azertyy | i don't know |
| 21:46.08 | justin_ | azertyy: what file are you talking about? |
| 21:46.16 | azertyy | i also got some program owned by apache too justin_ |
| 21:46.29 | azertyy | i don't know which one |
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| 21:46.43 | justin_ | azertyy: what are you talking about? |
| 21:47.18 | azertyy | well on the broken system i installed asterisk pbx, with apache too |
| 21:47.27 | justin_ | azertyy: ok? |
| 21:47.46 | azertyy | so some of the folder and file was owned by asterisk |
| 21:47.53 | little_owl | Is it save to use ext4 in Squeeze? I see that the default filesystem is still ext3. |
| 21:47.57 | azertyy | and apache two i don't remember which of them |
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| 21:48.02 | justin_ | azertyy: try aptitude reinstall on those packages, that will fix things |
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| 21:48.52 | azertyy | ok |
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| 21:51.30 | cinix_ | I have a problem where if I hit F1, gnome-help begins to open up a million instances of itself to no end. I have to switch to the console to kill it. If I start gnome-help from an xterm it works just fine. Where are the gnome keybindings kept? Help isn't under keyboard shortcuts |
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| 21:51.55 | allisterb | petemc: cool thanks, what's the root password for the Squeeze LiveDVD? I tried 'root' and 'debian' but no luck? |
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| 21:52.39 | petemc | allisterb: no idea |
| 21:53.16 | azertyy | thanks a lot for your help justin_ |
| 21:55.03 | Vasistha | I understand anacron can pick up some missed cron jobs at boot time. How does anacron decide which jobs it should run, and when to run them? Also, does anacron run after resuming from suspend-to-ram? |
| 21:57.06 | blast_hardcheese | Am I right to avoid btrfs for the time being? I'm building a replacement for my existing 4TB fileserver built on mdadm+xfs, evaluating whether or not I should just deal with it for as long as possible until btrfs becomes stable |
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| 22:00.24 | Tramp | Vasistha: if your computer happens to be suspended at the time specified in /etc/cron.d/anacron, your cronjobs won't run until you reboot. |
| 22:00.57 | Vasistha | Tramp: thanks! looks like... I need to think about this some more. I keep forgetting to pay my rent, and I want to figure out a way to have my computer remind me :) |
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| 22:01.07 | Tramp | that's why I changed that entry from 39 7 ... to 39 */4 |
| 22:01.51 | Vasistha | Tramp: I could probably set anacron to run on wake-up though, and that would do the trick, right? |
| 22:01.56 | blast_hardcheese | Tramp: I understand the appeal of *cron for something like this, but have you considered some sort of legitimate calendar solution? |
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| 22:02.11 | Tramp | blast_hardcheese: I don't have the problem |
| 22:02.13 | Vasistha | blast_hardcheese: well, I don't run any calendar program for any other purpose |
| 22:02.25 | blast_hardcheese | Tramp: Whoops, misfire, sorry :) |
| 22:02.31 | Tramp | np |
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| 22:02.52 | Tramp | Vasistha: any yes to your last question |
| 22:03.23 | Vasistha | cool. hmm. alright, so... this isn't quite as easy as I had been hoping, but I'm thinking I'm going to get it done. |
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| 22:03.54 | Tramp | blast_hardcheese: actually I have a "standing order" or however that's called for my rent :) |
| 22:03.56 | blast_hardcheese | Vasistha: Calendar systems were designed to help you with things like your current problem. If you don't expect to need a calendar system for anything in the future, nevermind. |
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| 22:04.46 | jelly-home | prefers Gregorian |
| 22:05.01 | Vasistha | blast_hardcheese: yeah... I mean, I thought about the calendar, thing, but... I was trying to avoid running more programs. Although come to think of it, I don't really have to run kcalendar or whatever gui thing might take desktop space, I could probably find some command-line-driven calendar program that works just as well |
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| 22:05.28 | blast_hardcheese | Vasistha: Either that or just run a tray calendar that does a popup or something |
| 22:05.55 | blast_hardcheese | I'm terrible with dates and times and stuff, so I've got a CalDAV server that all my machines are configured to use, including my smartphone. |
| 22:05.56 | dutchfish | Vasistha: cal (works out of the box on console) |
| 22:06.07 | blast_hardcheese | No matter where I am I get notified, potentially more than once. |
| 22:08.07 | Agiofws | Vasistha, then don;t bother running kde run a lighter gui like xfce4 |
| 22:08.09 | Vasistha | dutchfish: I'm looking for something to give me periodic reminders, but thanks :) |
| 22:08.28 | Agiofws | crone |
| 22:08.32 | Agiofws | cron* |
| 22:08.34 | Agiofws | :) |
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| 22:09.01 | Vasistha | Agiofws: yeah, that's where I started. But getting reminders that occurred when the computer was off or in standby is ... a little tricky |
| 22:09.17 | EugenMayer | is it possible to run scripts using a specific user when putting them under cron.daily ? or do i have to call the script with su -s /bin/bash user in the script itself? |
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| 22:11.22 | jnewt | i just rebooted my debian machine, and it says my data drive doesn't have a vaild partition table. it shows as 500gb with fdisk -l. what can i do? |
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| 22:13.03 | Mr_Queue | fdisk it? |
| 22:13.12 | dvs | fsck it! |
| 22:13.14 | Mr_Queue | fsck |
| 22:13.21 | Mr_Queue | :0 |
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| 22:13.26 | blast_hardcheese | fsck the... entire drive? |
| 22:13.29 | blast_hardcheese | no |
| 22:13.44 | blast_hardcheese | jnewt: Does the drive pass SMART? |
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| 22:13.57 | jnewt | hm, let me check. |
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| 22:16.07 | jnewt | blast_hardcheese, overall health: passed |
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| 22:16.44 | blast_hardcheese | jnewt: Alright, do you remember the original layout of the disk? |
| 22:17.16 | dutchfish | Vasistha: http://pastebin.com/6nRMFuz1 |
| 22:17.16 | jnewt | layout as in fs = ext3, or as in folder and file organization? |
| 22:17.27 | blast_hardcheese | jnewt: As in the partition structure |
| 22:17.41 | blast_hardcheese | one giant partition taking up the whole disk? A bunch of tiny, hard to recreate partitions? |
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| 22:17.52 | msa | hey everyone |
| 22:17.56 | jnewt | i believe it was simply one large partition, ext3 taking up the entire 500gb |
| 22:17.58 | blast_hardcheese | msa: Hey you |
| 22:18.02 | msa | i just bought a SSD for my ThinkPad X40 |
| 22:18.48 | jnewt | blast_hardcheese: i am not 100% though, more like 90% sure there was no other partitions. |
| 22:18.53 | blast_hardcheese | jnewt: dd if=/dev/XdY of=/tmp/2011-03-07-mbrbackup.dat bs=512 count=1 |
| 22:19.12 | blast_hardcheese | that'll backup the existing partition table on the disk, just in case |
| 22:19.19 | msa | now i need to align the partitions. as I understand it, I should leave 1MB untouched at the beginning of the disk |
| 22:19.33 | msa | does anyone know how to do that using the debian installer? |
| 22:19.40 | jnewt | blast_hardcheese: XdY being my sdb right? |
| 22:19.45 | blast_hardcheese | Yes |
| 22:19.46 | Agiofws | msa, the MBA |
| 22:19.51 | blast_hardcheese | then fdisk /dev/XdY and create a new partition table, with one giant partition. mark it ext3 (should be default) |
| 22:19.52 | Agiofws | MBR i think |
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| 22:20.52 | blast_hardcheese | jnewt: when you write the partition table and quit fdisk, it should resync partitions. At that point, file -s /dev/sdb1 to check and see if there's a valid partition |
| 22:21.02 | blast_hardcheese | If there is, fsck /dev/sdb1 |
| 22:21.16 | blast_hardcheese | If that passes, congratulations, you're up and running again. |
| 22:21.24 | msa | Agiofws: usually when I install Debian I use the entire disk. Do I need to do something else to leave the MBR untouched? |
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| 22:22.02 | Agiofws | msa ask an experienced debian user i'm a noob |
| 22:22.14 | msa | Agiofws: ok |
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| 22:23.07 | blast_hardcheese | msa: What's your goal |
| 22:23.46 | msa | blast_hardcheese: i have read that - when installing on a SSD - i should leave 1MB untouched in the beginning of the disk to maximize performance |
| 22:24.05 | jnewt | blast_hardcheese, I started fdisk /dev/sdb, and I got a message saying that it is building a new DOS disklabel ... changes in memory only. I don't fdisk a lot, and the dos part seems odd. |
| 22:24.21 | blast_hardcheese | jnewt: That's fine |
| 22:24.29 | blast_hardcheese | msa: Oh, hmm. You won't be getting very far. |
| 22:24.34 | karlpinc | FYI, for 4K alignment see http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/01/msg02021.html (link from http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze). |
| 22:24.39 | jnewt | it says: after that, of course, the previous content won't be recoverable |
| 22:24.50 | Agiofws | /dev/sdb refers to the whole disk though .. sdb1 to the first partition a little after the mbr ... |
| 22:25.19 | jnewt | right, i don't have a /dev/sdb yet. |
| 22:25.22 | jnewt | right, i don't have a /dev/sdb1 yet. |
| 22:26.20 | blast_hardcheese | jnewt: we backed up your mbr, don't worry. |
| 22:26.29 | msa | blast_hardcheese: it should be possible using Gparted but I don't know if it is possible using the Debian ncurses installer!? |
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| 22:27.16 | blast_hardcheese | msa: The problem is your partition table exists in the first 512 bytes of your disk. |
| 22:27.39 | blast_hardcheese | Even if you leave 1MB free at the beginning of the partition structure, you're still not accomplishing your goal. |
| 22:27.55 | blast_hardcheese | Also, there's no way to modify (afaik) where the partition table is in a given disk |
| 22:28.08 | jnewt | ok, did fdisk /dev/sdb , then n (new partition), then p (primary), then 1 (partition number), then defaults on the cylinders, w to write. |
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| 22:28.35 | Agiofws | ok |
| 22:28.55 | msa | blast_hardcheese: This is what i read "when you size the target partition, you want to leave 1MB of free space *before* the new partition. This results in an offset of exactly 2^20 bytes or 2048 512B disk sectors, which is excellent alignment for virtually all applications, SSD types, RAID array stripe sizes, etc. " |
| 22:28.56 | Agiofws | don;t you need a swap partition ? |
| 22:28.59 | blast_hardcheese | jnewt: Correct |
| 22:29.16 | jnewt | now i have sdb1. |
| 22:29.17 | piercedwater | To anyone here using brag: is there a way to set a new working path? |
| 22:29.17 | Agiofws | cool |
| 22:29.30 | Agiofws | brag ? |
| 22:29.32 | blast_hardcheese | msa: OH. You're trying to align partition sectors with SSD sectors. That's different. |
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| 22:29.47 | blast_hardcheese | jnewt: file -s /dev/sdb1 |
| 22:30.02 | Agiofws | ? |
| 22:30.03 | jnewt | yeah, that's what i was looking for. |
| 22:30.30 | blast_hardcheese | msa: In d-i choose manual partitioning, then when you create your first partition you can choose where it starts. |
| 22:30.31 | jnewt | needs journal recovery (large files) |
| 22:30.43 | blast_hardcheese | jnewt: That's good at least. fsck /dev/sdb1 |
| 22:30.55 | jnewt | continue with fsck? |
| 22:31.02 | jnewt | ok |
| 22:31.16 | blast_hardcheese | You may consider not repairing problems fsck presents you with |
| 22:31.26 | blast_hardcheese | If it just operates normally and fixes everything, you should be fine. |
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| 22:31.37 | blast_hardcheese | If it requires manual intervention, you may consider more aggressive forensics. |
| 22:31.51 | jnewt | blast_hardcheese, reported /dev/sdb1: recovering journal |
| 22:31.51 | jnewt | /dev/sdb1: clean, 21646/30531584 files, 13948430/122096000 blocks |
| 22:32.01 | blast_hardcheese | Nice. |
| 22:32.06 | jnewt | continue to mount? |
| 22:32.09 | blast_hardcheese | Yep |
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| 22:33.48 | Agiofws | use fdisk ? |
| 22:34.04 | blast_hardcheese | Agiofws: ? |
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| 22:34.23 | Agiofws | nothing |
| 22:34.24 | jnewt | blast_hardcheese, ok, it appears everything is still there, which saved a 500gb restore from backup. thanks. |
| 22:34.46 | jnewt | now, my next question might be an unknown, but how did this happen? |
| 22:34.46 | blast_hardcheese | jnewt: not a problem, congrats. |
| 22:35.20 | msa | blast_hardcheese: ok. im not sure how though? |
| 22:35.35 | blast_hardcheese | jnewt: Hmm... hexdump -C /tmp/2011-03-07-mbrbackup.dat | less |
| 22:35.44 | blast_hardcheese | msa: When you create the new partition it gives you an option |
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| 22:40.17 | jnewt | blast_hardcheese, bunch of zeros |......| * 00000200 (END) |
| 22:40.32 | msa | blast_hardcheese: ok. thanks. |
| 22:40.54 | blast_hardcheese | jnewt: So something wiped out the beginning of your disk |
| 22:40.56 | jnewt | 00000000 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................| |
| 22:40.56 | jnewt | * |
| 22:40.57 | jnewt | 00000200 |
| 22:40.57 | jnewt | (END) to be exact |
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| 22:41.03 | blast_hardcheese | whoops |
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| 22:41.19 | jnewt | you just can't see those cr's. |
| 22:41.30 | jnewt | (i can't) sorry for the "flood" |
| 22:41.49 | blast_hardcheese | jnewt: Right, I got the whole paste; The beginning of your drive was empty for some reason. |
| 22:42.16 | jnewt | blast_hardcheese, is this something i should be concerned enough about to replace the disk? |
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| 22:42.50 | blast_hardcheese | jnewt: You have backups, that should be sufficient. |
| 22:42.52 | tensorpudding | what should i do if an upstream package contains binary files which get modified during the build process? |
| 22:43.22 | tensorpudding | the first time the package builds fine, but if i try to build it again i get dpkg-source errors due to the modified binaries |
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| 22:44.19 | jnewt | blast_hardcheese, oh yeah, gotta have backups. my wife keeps her stuff on there too, and I don't want to die. |
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| 22:44.46 | blast_hardcheese | jnewt: ;) |
| 22:44.57 | jnewt | that's the first hiccup i've had on this linux system in 3 years. |
| 22:46.03 | themill | tensorpudding: a package you're maintaining or some other package in the debian repo? |
| 22:46.53 | tensorpudding | it's a package that i'm modifying for my own purposes, and that i'm going to host on a PPA |
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| 22:48.45 | blast_hardcheese | dammit, lost the screws to mount stuff in this case. |
| 22:48.49 | themill | tensorpudding: if the debian package exhibits this behaviour, you should file a bug asking the maintainer to support being built twice. As a workaround yourself, you can either (a) move the binary away at the start of the build and move it back in clean (b) just delete the binary file during clean or (c) delete the binary file from the tarball to start with. |
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| 22:49.22 | tensorpudding | well the thing is |
| 22:49.39 | tensorpudding | my modifications included bumping it up to a new version |
| 22:49.50 | tensorpudding | which is where these binary files in the upstream came in |
| 22:50.21 | tensorpudding | so it's not a bug with the maintained version |
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| 22:50.38 | tensorpudding | which is also out of date, and i was considering updating it myself |
| 22:51.17 | tensorpudding | but i don't run debian, i run ubuntu |
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| 22:51.28 | Athomik | hello |
| 22:51.37 | blast_hardcheese | Then why are you not asking in #ubuntu? |
| 22:51.44 | tensorpudding | because the package is from debian |
| 22:52.01 | tensorpudding | there's actually no modifications made in the ubuntu version |
| 22:52.10 | themill | tensorpudding: you should ask in #ubuntu where you will find information about building things for PPAs and according to whatever policies they have. |
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| 22:52.34 | Athomik | i don't find the gdm3 config for multiseat, no section server in config file ? |
| 22:52.38 | blast_hardcheese | tensorpudding: You should become a debian maintainer for that package, then it'd propogate out to ubuntu normally :) |
| 22:52.46 | tensorpudding | and i want to update the latest version of the ubuntu package, which probaly means submitting one for debian |
| 22:52.50 | themill | tensorpudding: if you intend to do the work to update the package to the new version, then you should contact the maintainer and coordinate that work with them, and seek assistance in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 22:55.46 | tensorpudding | i think i'd still have to start a PPA though since it looks like natty's packages are going to get frozen with the outdated version |
| 22:56.58 | themill | you don't need a ppa to compile a package |
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| 22:57.10 | tensorpudding | yeah |
| 22:58.02 | tensorpudding | but it's nicer if i don't have rogue packages on my system |
| 22:58.06 | Athomik | where i can configure multiseat in gdm3 ? don't find |
| 22:58.12 | Athomik | google too |
| 22:58.15 | Athomik | :( |
| 22:58.24 | tensorpudding | if it's in a ppa i can add/remove it using ubuntu software center easily |
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| 23:01.48 | sorressean | I have a quick question. I just upgraded from lenny to stable (squeeze apparently), and it seems as if there was a pam change. When I authenticate, it says that I don't have an account, previously I was using a postfix sasl configuration that used mysql. can I bypass pam somehow or fix it so that it will let me authenticate? |
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| 23:03.42 | sorressean | I don't know to much about pam to keep things secure, but I need email fixed as soon as possible. |
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| 23:06.12 | blast_hardcheese | sorressean: Did you overwrite your pam configuration? |
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| 23:07.40 | sorressean | blast_hardcheese: no. the upgrade broke soemdthing. |
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| 23:12.47 | gnarface | hey is there a "right" way to encrypt just a directory tree on a mounted file system (a subdirectory of my home directory) or should it always be the entire filesystem of an externally mounted device that one would encrypt? |
| 23:13.02 | gnarface | if so, could it be like, a disk image that i mount on loopback? |
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| 23:14.21 | Athomik | exist a room for gdm, can't find |
| 23:15.31 | nevyn | Athomik: what's the problem? |
| 23:15.49 | nevyn | gnarface: you could do that but it's reasonaly hackish |
| 23:16.02 | nevyn | gnarface: why not just a lv or partition or something? |
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| 23:17.27 | gnarface | nevyn: so even like a raw disk image mounted on loopback would be hackish? mostly the only reason is that i want it to benefit from the encryption but i still want the files to be on my /home partition so they can be backed up with it |
| 23:17.49 | Athomik | nevyn: hello, i search for multiseat with gdm3, 2 video card 2 screen 2 keyboard 2 mouse |
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| 23:18.04 | Athomik | in gdm have a server section in gdm.conf |
| 23:18.17 | sorressean | lovely. so debian upgrade wiped out my pam.d folder. all I had to do was rewrite my configuration file. |
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| 23:19.00 | sorressean | makes a mental note to switch to a distro that doesn't just randomly wipe out your configs. |
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| 23:19.21 | themill | sorressean: upgrade from what to what? |
| 23:19.37 | sh_sh | when i have a .deb package with dependencies, does apt-get make an apt-get update before installing the dependencies? |
| 23:19.46 | gnarface | sorressean: i've had this happen to me too but i'm certain you're running into a PEBKAC fault |
| 23:19.47 | Athomik | See /usr/share/gdm/gdm.schemas for a list of available options, but in this file, no info for 2 x servers..... light doc |
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| 23:20.12 | dondelelcaro | sorressean: huh? it shouldn't be destroying them at all, esp. considering that we ship pam.d files from about a dozen packages at least. |
| 23:20.16 | nevyn | Athomik: you want 2 xservers on one videocard? |
| 23:20.51 | Athomik | nevyn: no i have 2 video card |
| 23:21.04 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: could his debconf question threshold or whatever be set so high that he doesn't get merge notifications for manual file changes in /etc? that's what i'd presume |
| 23:21.06 | Athomik | gdm must lunch 2 x |
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| 23:21.18 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: nope, those questions get asked always |
| 23:21.24 | gnarface | interesting |
| 23:21.40 | nevyn | Athomik: umm that's reasonably out there as far as config's go |
| 23:21.45 | gnarface | always manually backs up etc before big upgrades |
| 23:21.49 | Arrowmaster | sorressean: file a bug against the packages that own the config files |
| 23:21.52 | nevyn | I'm not sure GDM supports it. |
| 23:21.58 | nevyn | gnarface: etckeeper |
| 23:22.03 | dondelelcaro | sorressean: what actually happened, and what were you trying to do? |
| 23:22.26 | gnarface | nevyn: neat! thanks |
| 23:22.29 | dondelelcaro | (it's certianly possible that there could be a bug in pam, as it's one of the more complicated things that every system has, but it gets fairly extensively tested) |
| 23:22.53 | nevyn | gnarface: the nice thing is it has dpkg hooks so upgrade runs just checkin at the end |
| 23:23.01 | Athomik | nevyn: gdm is ok for multiseat, but don't find doc for gdm3 |
| 23:23.16 | gnarface | nevyn: nice. and all this time i've been using tar like a caveman |
| 23:23.17 | nevyn | and yeah the commit log is kinda ordinary but it's better than a billion coppies |
| 23:23.30 | nevyn | gnarface: 'sactly. |
| 23:23.55 | gnarface | there should be a tv show that just reviews 3 debian packages a week. like "how it's made" but for debian |
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| 23:25.31 | nevyn | loves how it's made |
| 23:25.58 | Arrowmaster | it seems the pam configs are managed by pam-auth-update as of 1.0.1-6, and 1.0.1-5+lenny1 is the lenny version so the package could have an error in how it upgrades old configs |
| 23:26.14 | nevyn | that's umm bad. |
| 23:26.48 | nevyn | I mean my pam configs stay pretty vanilla but if you've customised them the installer should not be messing about with that. |
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| 23:27.24 | dondelelcaro | it checks fairly carefully to see whether changes have been made, and doesn't modify them if you have changed them |
| 23:27.30 | dondelelcaro | if it fails to do that, it's a bug, and it should be filed |
| 23:27.39 | gnarface | i expect similar drama when i try to update my lenny mail server with the highly customized exim config |
| 23:27.41 | themill | Arrowmaster: I've done several upgrades where strange pam configs have been migrated quite nicely. |
| 23:28.19 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: even then, the configuration changes should be respected; worst case you'll have to migrate to newer versions yourself because the packaging system can't figure it out |
| 23:28.53 | dondelelcaro | it *is* possible to end up with a broken pam configuration, but that's wholly separate from having your custom configuration files modified or removed |
| 23:29.02 | Arrowmaster | for exim though, cant you just tell debconf not to mess with the config |
| 23:29.09 | dondelelcaro | Arrowmaster: has nothing to do with debconf |
| 23:30.05 | gnarface | Arrowmaster: i'd be afraid of keeping such an old config in its entirety. there's so much there i can't be sure that i wouldn't be causing problems with default stuff i never had messed iwth |
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| 23:30.29 | gnarface | unless exim4 is the same version in squeeze as it is in lenny... |
| 23:30.31 | gnarface | is it? |
| 23:30.33 | gnarface | it's not is it? |
| 23:30.38 | Arrowmaster | that came out wrong, i mean isnt there a debconf question that depending on the answer, the script that builds exim's configs will let you do everything manually |
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| 23:31.26 | gnarface | that's a good question |
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| 23:32.36 | Arrowmaster | yeah mentioned right in the update-exim4.conf man page |
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| 23:34.11 | gnarface | will read it again |
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| 23:35.07 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions exim4 |
| 23:35.08 | judd | Package exim4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.69-9+lenny1; lenny-security: 4.69-9+lenny4; lenny-backports: 4.72-1~bpo50+1; lenny-backports: 4.72-6~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.72-6; sid: 4.74-2; wheezy: 4.74-2; experimental: 4.75~rc3-1 |
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| 23:36.10 | gnarface | so no, not the same version |
| 23:36.19 | gnarface | thanks |
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| 23:36.57 | JmZ | so i did a dist-upgrade, now when i boot, it hangs at waiting for grub2 |
| 23:36.59 | JmZ | how fun |
| 23:37.33 | JmZ | hilarious, just when i get past some faggot removing my whole IP block from the net |
| 23:37.39 | JmZ | now i cant even boot into my fucking system |
| 23:38.15 | jhutchins_lt | JmZ: Did you follow the release notes? |
| 23:38.29 | JmZ | indeed i did |
| 23:38.39 | JmZ | it doesnt help that this is a VM |
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| 23:39.02 | themill | JmZ: that sort of language is not acceptable in #debian |
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| 23:39.47 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Thank you. |
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| 23:40.34 | Gryllida | why did I install squirrelmail, courier-imap, and sendmail, and while 'mail' command in bash sends and receives mail, the squirrel web interface only sends but not receives? |
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| 23:41.21 | EugenMayer | what is the current easiest way to create / run your own apt-repo? |
| 23:41.38 | themill | !own repo |
| 23:41.39 | dpkg | Custom-Package-Repository-HOWTO: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://localhost/~username/foo ./"; [OR, if no local web server set up] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb file:///home/username/public_html/foo ./";, or see <reprepro> |
| 23:42.02 | Gryllida | hi themill |
| 23:42.09 | themill | EugenMayer: if you're going to use if for anything vaguely serious, a tool like reprepro wins over doing it by hand. |
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| 23:42.25 | jhutchins_lt | Gryllida: squirrelmail interfaces with the imap server and the smtp server. |
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| 23:42.32 | Gryllida | jhutchins_lt: and? |
| 23:42.35 | jhutchins_lt | Gryllida: sendmail is what will actually send the mail. |
| 23:42.36 | EugenMayer | themill: looking at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/286 right now |
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| 23:42.53 | jhutchins_lt | Gryllida: It sounds like you just need to tell squirrelmail how to reach sendmail and you'll be good to go. |
| 23:42.56 | Gryllida | jhutchins_lt: it sends ok; squirrelmail doesn't receive |
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| 23:43.03 | themill | EugenMayer: yep, that's a pretty good overview |
| 23:43.07 | Gryllida | how would I do that? |
| 23:43.16 | jhutchins_lt | Gryllida: In that case get squirrelmail talking with courrier. |
| 23:43.28 | Gryllida | jhutchins_lt: would be be imap or smtp setting? |
| 23:43.36 | jhutchins_lt | Gryllida: The squirrelmail configuration for the imap setting. |
| 23:43.36 | EugenMayer | themill: ok, thanks. Though there are prob. newer / other ways due to this doc being 6 years old |
| 23:43.37 | Gryllida | s/be/it/ |
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| 23:43.57 | jhutchins_lt | Gryllida: smtp is outbound, imap is inbound/folder management. |
| 23:44.26 | gnarface | themill: hey i'm just curious but was jmz silenced for his profanity or for upgrading debian within a VM and blaming it on debian when it failed to work? |
| 23:44.40 | gnarface | themill: or was it a combination? |
| 23:44.44 | jhutchins_lt | Gryllida: I run dovecot so it's probably a little bit different. |
| 23:45.41 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: I would say the former; the latter is teachable but the attitude was pretty unacceptable too. |
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| 23:46.05 | Gryllida | jhutchins_lt: http://pastebin.com/vNJLsLMr |
| 23:46.17 | gnarface | would have accepted the profanity but banned him for being a VM retard |
| 23:47.06 | jhutchins_lt | Gryllida: That looks about right. What happens when you log in? |
| 23:47.25 | gnarface | on an unrelated note... how many debian systems should i be running out of my own apartment before it would be polite (from a bandwidth usage perspective) to create my own private mirror? |
| 23:47.33 | Gryllida | jhutchins_lt: Why does it look about right if I'm using sendmail (not courier) to receive mail? |
| 23:47.51 | jhutchins_lt | Gryllida: You're not. |
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| 23:48.17 | jhutchins_lt | Gryllida: Well, sendmail is probably accepting and delivering the mail, but it's courrier that is showing inbound mail to sendmail. |
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| 23:49.19 | Gryllida | jhutchins_lt: I log in squirrelmail and get no errors; there is new mail in /var/spool/mail/gryllida but the squirrelmail interface shows that inbox is empty. |
| 23:49.20 | jhutchins_lt | Gryllida: A frequent problem these days is WHERE sendmail puts the inbound mail. There are several options, it can go to /var/spool/mail/<user>, it can go to a maildir in the user's home, or to a mail folder. |
| 23:49.46 | jhutchins_lt | Gryllida: Does mail find the new mail? |
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| 23:50.00 | Gryllida | yes. |
| 23:50.11 | jhutchins_lt | Gryllida: I have not set up mail delivery with sendmail on debian. |
| 23:50.23 | jhutchins_lt | Gryllida: Check the courrier log. |
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| 23:50.52 | jhutchins_lt | Gryllida: Check the sendmail log. |
| 23:51.00 | jhutchins_lt | Gryllida: Check the squirrelmail subscriptions. |
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| 23:52.09 | kyodai | want to install debian, im downloading the first cd. will i have the internet after the setup? |
| 23:52.14 | kyodai | have pppoe |
| 23:52.18 | vbrummond | hi, ill try asking help here as well, I have a problem where by default even on AC, debian spins down my disks, and I can only fix this by setting hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda in /etc/rc.local, is that the desired behaviour or is this a new bug related the pm-utils/laptop-mode conflict perhaps? all the bugs on the issue say solved however I still have this issue (note i am useing testing) |
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| 23:54.02 | vbrummond | kyodai: i think that cd1 does not have the network manager by default to be honest |
| 23:54.19 | kyodai | what i need to do |
| 23:54.22 | kyodai | to have |
| 23:54.48 | jhutchins_lt | Gryllida: I'm not seeing anything obvious. You can try switching which imap server sendmail is using; you can try various other imap readers to see if they can see mail, including alpine. |
| 23:55.25 | jhutchins_lt | Gryllida: mail doesn't go through imap, so it's not testing the courrier setup. Again, courrier logs are a good place to be looking.\ |
| 23:55.45 | Gryllida | Not sure where they are |
| 23:55.49 | jhutchins_lt | alpine can either go to the local mailspool directly or you can tell it to use imap. |
| 23:55.51 | Gryllida | Apparently not in /var/log/ |
| 23:55.57 | vbrummond | kyodai, im not sure exactly, that is why I like to use the debian dvd to install |
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| 23:56.07 | jhutchins_lt | Gryllida: grep courrier /var/log/* -r? |
| 23:56.17 | vbrummond | as i am unable to use iwconfig for wifi if all the eth cords are in use on the cd1 install |
| 23:56.29 | jhutchins_lt | Gryllida: Check the courrier config file for suspicious settings including logging. |
| 23:56.36 | jhutchins_lt | Gryllida: I would expect /var/log/mail.log |
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| 23:56.47 | jhutchins_lt | Gryllida: That and/or /var/log/daemons |
| 23:56.51 | Gryllida | jhutchins_lt: it shows dpkg and apt logs, nothing else there |
| 23:57.16 | jhutchins_lt | did not enjoy his limited courrier management experience. |
| 23:57.21 | sh_sh | when i have a .deb package with dependencies, does apt-get make an apt-get update before installing the dependencies? |
| 23:57.36 | jhutchins_lt | sh_sh: No, YOU do that. |
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