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| 00:24.18 | dinexi | Hello all. I'm in stuck. Where can I find mysql-server 5.5 packages for debian squeeze? |
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| 00:25.26 | Arrowmaster | you cant |
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| 00:26.35 | dinexi | Arrowmaster: why? There is 5.5.8 already. |
| 00:26.44 | Arrowmaster | not in debian |
| 00:26.52 | dinexi | I see, but why? |
| 00:28.35 | metalfan_ | ive mounted cgroups via: mount -t cgroup cpuset -ocpuset /dev/cgroup but i cant modify the default cpus for all processes in /dev/cgroup, running "cd /dev/cgroup && echo 0 >cpusets.cpus" results in permission denied. is this the wrong approach to assign all new started processes to cpu core 0? |
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| 00:32.12 | Arrowmaster | dinexi: looks like mysql changed their build process and its slowing down the effort to update the debian package, plus debian is about to do a new stable release really soon so most effort is on preping for that and not on packages that wont make it into the new stable |
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| 00:33.58 | Arrowmaster | theprep: read the topic |
| 00:34.02 | boxbeatsy | hi, i'm trying to use pssh to execute simple commands across a bunch of servers, but i'm getting "[FAILURE} <ip> Received error code of 255". The command i'm using is "pssh -h hosts.txt ls" where hosts.txt is a file containing 2 IP's that i can ssh into |
| 00:34.14 | boxbeatsy | does anyone know what i might be doing wrong? |
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| 00:45.05 | Jimmy89 | does rsync only update a file if it has a newer time stamp? |
| 00:45.59 | jelly-hme | Jimmy89: not by default. It also checks the file sizes. There's an explanation in the manual. |
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| 00:46.24 | Jimmy89 | but if a newer timestamp version exists, it should be replaced with that correct? |
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| 00:53.31 | jelly-hme | if a newer timestamp version exists on the source, the version on the destination will get replaced by default, yes |
| 00:55.30 | tharkun | Gentlemen when i type on the cli editor it invokes the editor i previously setted up using ??????. How do i reconfigure it? it is dpkg-reconfigure ?????? |
| 00:55.47 | stew | tharkun: update-alternatives --config editor |
| 00:56.22 | tharkun | stew: thx i completely forgot the name |
| 00:56.53 | tharkun | stew: as root :) |
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| 00:57.46 | tharkun | man awesome |
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| 00:58.35 | stew | i actually don't have it installed on this machine |
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| 01:01.16 | maher | i'm having problems booting an intel mac mini |
| 01:01.47 | tharkun | stew: sorry i got lost among keybindings (switching de) |
| 01:01.48 | maher | it has a squeeze install but somehow grub has become confused and the installer cd won't reinstall grub |
| 01:02.33 | itchi | Hi, what do i need to have to play a Windows game? There is wine i know about. Is there somethings better or new? |
| 01:03.26 | rubin110 | dpkg stopped working today... |
| 01:03.27 | dpkg | rubin110: no idea |
| 01:03.31 | rubin110 | Hah. |
| 01:03.33 | rubin110 | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/sl_3.03-16_amd64.deb (--unpack): unable to create `/usr/share/man/man6/LS.6.gz.dpkg-new' (while processing `./usr/share/man/man6/LS.6.gz'): Invalid argument |
| 01:03.33 | dpkg | rubin110: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 01:03.56 | rubin110 | It was working just fine last night. |
| 01:04.43 | sandun | hi |
| 01:04.57 | sandun | good morning here. |
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| 01:18.35 | lcb | is it possible to force compile something with gcc 4.6 (experimental) when there are other gcc versions installed (running debian squeeze)? |
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| 01:19.45 | stew | lcb: sane makefiles would check the CC environment variable for which cc to use |
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| 01:21.14 | laurus | Does anyone here have experience with KVM? I'm having trouble sharing folders between Debian and my guest OS (Windows 7). |
| 01:21.19 | lcb | stew: i saw somewhere on the net that one error i'm getting is solved on this gcc release... |
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| 01:22.17 | laurus | Is there a GNU/Linux equivalent of a .dmg on Mac? |
| 01:22.23 | lcb | stew: i'm trying to install easycap (ID 05e1:0408 Syntek Semiconductor Co., Ltd) |
| 01:22.39 | laurus | Or is there a way to mount a .iso file so that files can be copied onto it? |
| 01:22.41 | stew | lcb: what is a .dmg? |
| 01:23.09 | stew | err |
| 01:23.11 | stew | laurus: |
| 01:23.21 | lcb | lcb>dmg |
| 01:23.23 | lcb | <dpkg>I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 01:23.28 | laurus | stew, when I used to use Mac OS X years ago, there was something called a .dmg, which was a "drive" that you could copy files to. |
| 01:23.38 | laurus | But it was basically a single file, in reality, I think. |
| 01:23.44 | lcb | stew :) |
| 01:24.24 | laurus | stew, how do I add files to an ISO image? |
| 01:24.45 | lcb | dmg: Disk Copy Disk Image File (mac) |
| 01:25.14 | laurus | I answered my own question: isomaster |
| 01:25.38 | stew | laurus: i don't know of a way. iso filesystems are typically readonly. you can make a new one? |
| 01:25.50 | laurus | stew, look at http://packages.debian.org/isomaster |
| 01:26.32 | lcb | any iso 'editor' could do it. most burning utilities came with that capability. |
| 01:26.43 | laurus | lcb, oh, cool. |
| 01:27.32 | laurus | I just spent a few hours messing around with networking, Samba, etc. |
| 01:27.43 | laurus | And then it just hit me: why not just mount an ISO that is easily modified? ;) |
| 01:28.06 | lcb | looks good tough... networking at least is working :p |
| 01:28.19 | laurus | lcb, well, it completely failed |
| 01:28.32 | laurus | I couldn't get the stupid VM to connect to my Debian host |
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| 01:29.35 | lcb | laurus, i don't know nothing compared with most of people here who knows 'something'. but there are plenty of guides on how easily install those 3 on debian. |
| 01:29.50 | laurus | lcb, what, samba and kvm? |
| 01:29.56 | lcb | i'll give a couple links in a min |
| 01:30.08 | laurus | I've been through a lot of links... I think there is some weird issue with Windows 7 and Samba. |
| 01:30.15 | lcb | i, myself (ond irene) used one of them |
| 01:30.22 | lcb | ond/and |
| 01:30.42 | laurus | lcb, really, did it work with Windows 7? |
| 01:30.50 | lcb | ohh. you are talking about installing it on windows? |
| 01:31.18 | laurus | lcb, I have a Debian host and a Windows guest. |
| 01:31.26 | laurus | Windows is installed into a KVM virtual machine. |
| 01:31.37 | laurus | And I am trying to access the Debian host from inside the Windows 7 virtual machine. |
| 01:31.41 | laurus | Using Samba, it completely fails. |
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| 01:32.24 | laurus | I think this ISO approach will work though. |
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| 01:33.10 | laurus | Yep, it works! |
| 01:33.32 | lcb | laurus, i think you need to configure the network well, before anything else |
| 01:34.14 | lcb | laurus, after all machines, virtual or not, see each other, then, everything might work |
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| 01:36.00 | laurus | Well, thanks. |
| 01:36.12 | lcb | no. wait. i need help too :O |
| 01:36.17 | lcb | lol |
| 01:36.20 | lcb | j/k |
| 01:36.54 | laurus | What is your issue? |
| 01:37.01 | lcb | laurus, btw, windows and samba work good |
| 01:37.38 | laurus | lcb, well I'm tired of messing around with them, something is weird and I'd rather just use this ISO approach |
| 01:38.59 | laurus | lcb, what did you need help with? |
| 01:39.32 | lcb | laurus«you need samba to exchange files to the other machines? |
| 01:39.54 | laurus | lcb, I actually don't want to bother with Samba right now, I'm kind of sick of it |
| 01:40.00 | laurus | I appreciate your offer of help though |
| 01:40.16 | lcb | laurus, is too complicated, it is for the guys behind the scenes and they are sleeping now. compiling something. |
| 01:40.24 | laurus | lcb, oh ok :) |
| 01:41.34 | laurus | lcb, well I'll try the Samba thing then. |
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| 01:41.41 | laurus | I just realized I can't save files onto the ISO from Windows. |
| 01:41.50 | laurus | Could you post that link? |
| 01:41.57 | lcb | yes you can! (obama) |
| 01:42.06 | laurus | Hah. :) |
| 01:42.22 | lcb | wait. i have one i like on my bookmarks |
| 01:42.30 | laurus | Ok, that would be great. |
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| 01:43.24 | lcb | at least for people like me who only understand by pictures (and i'm not blound :) http://woodel.com/ |
| 01:44.53 | lcb | i'm using squeeze right now, so i looked at this one too... wait.. that's for server, what i'm using. |
| 01:45.00 | laurus | lcb, I am on Squeeze too. |
| 01:45.37 | lcb | ohh. ok. hold on |
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| 01:46.56 | lcb | i saw this one last night and i liked (the suggestins of packages etc) |
| 01:46.58 | lcb | http://circuidipity.com/daniel/install_debian_linux_squeeze/ |
| 01:47.11 | lcb | suggestions too |
| 01:47.13 | laurus | lcb, wait |
| 01:47.16 | laurus | I don't need to install Debian |
| 01:47.39 | laurus | I need to get Samba working. |
| 01:47.49 | lcb | on debian...?! |
| 01:47.52 | laurus | Yes. |
| 01:47.57 | laurus | Maybe you misunderstood me? |
| 01:48.08 | lcb | use the first link i gave you |
| 01:48.23 | lcb | check samba parts, using webmin |
| 01:49.00 | stew | this is all dangerous advice |
| 01:49.03 | lcb | but setting up the network is important though |
| 01:49.17 | laurus | stew, yeah |
| 01:49.19 | laurus | Umm |
| 01:49.30 | laurus | Argh, this is all so frustrating. |
| 01:49.39 | lcb | ya i know, if he does like me who reaDS EVERYTHING AND THEN INSTALL ONLY WHAT'S NECESSARY.. |
| 01:49.49 | laurus | Maybe I should just use some kind of online file storage to transfer files between the VM and the Debian host. |
| 01:49.55 | lcb | opps, sorry about the yelling part |
| 01:50.00 | stew | !webmin |
| 01:50.00 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://bugs.debian.org/343897 about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 01:50.35 | stew | the other link has you mixing squeeze and unstable which is a bad idea |
| 01:50.45 | laurus | Er. |
| 01:50.49 | laurus | stew, how would you recommend I do this? |
| 01:51.14 | lcb | does that virtual system you are using have sharing folders? |
| 01:51.27 | laurus | lcb, um, the VM is a Windows 7 VM. |
| 01:51.29 | lcb | that's all you need, as i understand |
| 01:51.37 | laurus | Right, but it doesn't work. |
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| 01:52.04 | laurus | Whoops |
| 01:52.16 | lcb | virtualbox and vmware works great with no glitches... |
| 01:53.16 | lcb | virtualbox is 'free'. easy install and understand further steps |
| 01:53.27 | laurus | Well lcb KVM was very easy to install |
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| 01:53.35 | laurus | It's just the file sharing that is the issue |
| 01:53.58 | lcb | i don't know that one but i'm pretty sure host can see guest and share folders |
| 01:54.12 | laurus | Ok |
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| 01:54.18 | laurus | I was trying to avoid it since it's non-free |
| 01:54.21 | lcb | without samba |
| 01:54.54 | stew | heh. you want to avoid non-free software for running windows 7? |
| 01:55.00 | lcb | in my opinion, samba is too much for one machine and several hosts.. |
| 01:55.14 | laurus | stew, um, yeah... :P |
| 01:55.21 | laurus | I just wanted to support KVM rather than VirtualBox |
| 01:55.36 | laurus | Basically I only need Windows 7 to deal with some .doc files |
| 01:55.47 | laurus | So I only need to use it once in a while |
| 01:55.51 | stew | laurus: you can't use openoffice.org? |
| 01:55.57 | laurus | stew, no, not for these darned files |
| 01:56.14 | laurus | And I take it back, I also have to run a couple of Windows-only programs |
| 01:56.16 | laurus | Once in a while |
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| 01:56.52 | lcb | laurus, check teamviewer 6. it's free and paid, depends what you want from it |
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| 01:58.43 | laurus | stew, by the way have you tried LibreOffice? |
| 02:00.11 | stew | laurus: not yet. i rarely need that kind of stuff |
| 02:00.32 | laurus | stew, yeah me either actually, ironically |
| 02:00.38 | laurus | But it's quite nice. |
| 02:01.03 | lcb | let me correct something i wrote back and is a huge error. 'in my opinion, samba is too much for one machine and several hosts..' i mean guests. |
| 02:01.09 | laurus | lcb, np |
| 02:05.09 | lcb | have to go.. laurus, about your iso editing utility, google "gizmos freeware reviews", under burning utilities |
| 02:05.26 | laurus | Ok thanks lcb! |
| 02:05.27 | laurus | Take care. |
| 02:05.34 | karlpinc | Will the squeeze-updates suite be in sources.list in the default install? (See: http://lists.debian.org/debian-volatile-announce/2011/msg00000.html) |
| 02:05.36 | lcb | you too. thanks |
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| 02:06.00 | lcb | karlpinc« yes. use netinstall, it's strate forward |
| 02:06.22 | karlpinc | lcb: You've tried it? |
| 02:06.29 | lcb | i'm running it |
| 02:06.52 | karlpinc | lcb: And you have squeeze-updates as well as main/etc. in your sources.list? |
| 02:08.06 | karlpinc | lcb: You know it's a "suite", like main, or non-free, or contrib, right? |
| 02:08.38 | lcb | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian squeeze-updates main |
| 02:08.51 | lcb | insert that |
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| 02:10.01 | karlpinc | lcb: I don't want to insert it, I want to know how the installer works. Whether it's put in by default, if there's a question that determins if it appears, and so forth. I assume that it must be manually put in after the fact, but that's a guess. So I'm asking. What is your experience of the install? |
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| 02:10.51 | laurus | lcb, I got it working by the way. |
| 02:10.54 | laurus | Thanks for the encouragement! |
| 02:12.20 | Arrowmaster | karlpinc: last time i used the installer im certain it asked about enabling volatile during the installation, since squeeze-updates is going to replace volatile then it should ask about enabling it |
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| 02:15.39 | karlpinc | Arrowmaster: Thanks. (That question must be new-ish because I don't recall it.) |
| 02:15.59 | Arrowmaster | i havent done an install in over a year |
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| 02:20.08 | stew | karlpinc: "main" "non-free" aren't suites though (from a Release perspective) |
| 02:20.19 | stew | karlpinc: squeeze-updates is a suite like 'testing' is |
| 02:21.13 | stew | karlpinc: i would guess that the squeeze installer will add it, since, iirc the lenny installer included volatile |
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| 02:27.01 | aminpy | is there a command for remove all files in a folder which names ends with ~? |
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| 02:32.43 | nevyn | aminpy: ls *\~\? |
| 02:32.56 | Bushmills | aminpy: put htis in a shell script: ls *~ 2> /dev/null && rm *~ |
| 02:33.09 | nevyn | oh. |
| 02:33.47 | nevyn | you'll need to escape the ~ cause the shell with expand it to $HOME |
| 02:34.09 | nevyn | so it needs to be *\~ |
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| 02:34.52 | Bushmills | nevyn: try echo *~ |
| 02:36.02 | nevyn | ok you're right. I'm wrong. |
| 02:36.04 | Bushmills | i think expansion to $HOME is done with isolated ~ only |
| 02:36.43 | nevyn | Bushmills: it can be postfixed but not prefixed I think |
| 02:36.51 | nevyn | ie ~/download/blah will be expanded |
| 02:36.55 | nevyn | but blah~ won't |
| 02:37.19 | Bushmills | echo ~foo doesn't, but ~/foo does |
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| 02:38.32 | Bushmills | makes sense because for full blown - consistent - expansion, there is after all $HOME |
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| 02:40.12 | Bushmills | ehm, better use double quotes in my line for script |
| 02:41.37 | Bushmills | actually, don't :) |
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| 02:46.58 | Jimmy89 | hey guys, question with rsync |
| 02:47.33 | Jimmy89 | the directory on my local computer has 13339 files, the remote directory has 13266, yet it dosn't copy any files across.. |
| 02:48.24 | Delf | Jimmy89: Does it copy hidden and system files? |
| 02:48.47 | Jimmy89 | is there a flag i need to set for that? |
| 02:48.47 | aminpy | nevyn, i have folder which in there is a lot of files with names something like name.html~, I want to delete they |
| 02:49.06 | aminpy | Bushmills, ^ |
| 02:49.20 | Bushmills | can't say because we don't know what flags you *are* using |
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| 02:49.38 | Jimmy89 | -artv |
| 02:50.03 | Jimmy89 | just seems strange the file count is different on either end |
| 02:50.43 | aminpy | Bushmills, cant I do this? |
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| 02:51.18 | Bushmills | r and t are implied by a already. -H isn't but that's not the cause of your problem |
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| 02:52.01 | Bushmills | any files rsync can't read because of insufficient permissions? |
| 02:52.29 | Jimmy89 | I think your correct |
| 02:52.37 | Jimmy89 | the files seem to be different owner |
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| 03:01.37 | Jimmy89 | ok it is an ownership issue |
| 03:02.04 | Jimmy89 | I did a chown / chmod on the files and they can be read succesfully on the remote end now |
| 03:02.20 | Jimmy89 | How can I acheive this in the rsync command? or should I just chown / chmod afterwards? |
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| 03:16.15 | tlchack5 | okay, this is going to sound REALLY stupid.. but what does "squeeze" mean? Because a package I am using requires it |
| 03:16.22 | tlchack5 | err trying to use* |
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| 03:16.36 | Arrowmaster | !squeeze |
| 03:16.36 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <wwsr> for recent updates and see also <testing> <squeeze udev> <squeeze kernel> <lenny->squeeze> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 03:16.51 | unkmar | My plans for world domination require too much effort on my part. |
| 03:17.03 | unkmar | I have enough trouble keeping my PC's reasonably functional. |
| 03:17.32 | Arrowmaster | tlchack5: if its requiring a package/application named squeeze then i guess its referring to the Xfce archieve manager |
| 03:18.09 | tlchack5 | arrowmaster: No, its asking for Debian Squeeze.... Thanks. I trying to install Xen |
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| 04:24.48 | JyZyXEL | whats the debian command to enable apache2 mods? |
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| 04:26.58 | karlpinc | JyZyXEL: Check README.Debian |
| 04:27.01 | karlpinc | !readme.debian |
| 04:27.01 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
| 04:27.14 | JyZyXEL | its a2enmod |
| 04:27.34 | JyZyXEL | i hate how you cannot tab shit from /sbin/ |
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| 04:28.09 | JyZyXEL | or /usr/sbin |
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| 04:33.56 | DanDare | Hello. I was trying this at #httpd but still no fix. Here is Debian Lenny. I must maintain 2 sites upon same system and IP. If i create only the first site but try remotely opening on the browser the second site (not configured yet), it redirects to the working site. Like if I type www.site2.com it redirects to www.site1.com. How to avoid this? |
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| 04:35.15 | Bushmills | virtualhost |
| 04:35.25 | DanDare | What i need in this case is some error message like "site not available" |
| 04:35.35 | DanDare | Bushmills, yeah virtualhosts |
| 04:36.28 | DanDare | I created only the first defaulthost and getting this redirection when trying to open the not yet configured virtualhost |
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| 04:36.43 | DanDare | *err created only the first virtualhost |
| 04:36.49 | Bushmills | let the site for which no virtualhost exists fall through to default, deal with it there |
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| 04:37.48 | Bushmills | or create name server record only after you have set up virtualhost for site2 |
| 04:38.42 | DanDare | Bushmills, if i create all the virtualhosts it works at first. But im getting strange stuff like when downloading a file from site 2, client browse say file is coming from the site 1 (that IE window, you really want to download the file from www.site1.com?). but file is stored into site2 structure ! |
| 04:39.10 | DanDare | so im trying to spot how this is working actually, thus just the first site for now |
| 04:39.20 | Bushmills | well, you can avoid that strange stuff with the solutions i gave you |
| 04:39.56 | Bushmills | call them "approaches", not "solutions" :) |
| 04:40.30 | DanDare | Bushmills, it no applies because all the sites must be working. So i cant shutoff DNS or seomething |
| 04:40.55 | DanDare | I mean, all virtualhosts must exist |
| 04:41.17 | Bushmills | "all must be working" and "need in this case is some error message like "site not available"" are a bit contradictory |
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| 04:42.12 | DanDare | Bushmills, agree. Im just trying to spot the problem from its root... but considering all sites together.. well... apreciate any clue ... |
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| 04:42.27 | Bushmills | translates to "must work otherwise one wouldn't see the error message" |
| 04:42.55 | Bushmills | no, "see a different error message" |
| 04:44.00 | DanDare | I reformulate: I have 3 virtualhosts but when downloading a file from site2, client browser can eventually indicates that file is comming from site1. Where should I start looking for a solution ? |
| 04:44.01 | Bushmills | the root of your problem is your configuraton. with properly set up virtualhost for site1, site2 wouldn't use the same entry |
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| 04:44.31 | Bushmills | if site2 shows site1 without virtualhost for site2 defined, your setup is wrong |
| 04:44.51 | DanDare | All pages working fine.. this happens when downloading some file |
| 04:45.32 | Bushmills | even then, you would start looking at your configuration |
| 04:46.05 | DanDare | this is site1 http://pastebin.com/r8SmzGYQ and this is site2 http://pastebin.com/CzM5wKzd |
| 04:46.13 | DanDare | Im trying |
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| 04:47.55 | JyZyXEL | none of the hotlinking .htaccess tutorials covers what to do if you already have a rewrite rule |
| 04:48.06 | DanDare | each site have its own document root; error logs; customlog; servername; serveralias |
| 04:48.43 | Bushmills | let your default host display a page, showing "this is default", so you know when and what a request falls through to default |
| 04:48.52 | JyZyXEL | http://pastebin.com/yW6gWe2Z how do i merge those rules? |
| 04:48.54 | JyZyXEL | is it even possible? |
| 04:49.38 | DanDare | Bushmills, ok thanks. Will try that |
| 04:49.43 | Bushmills | then confirm proper operaton of default host by requesting, using server ip address |
| 04:50.42 | Bushmills | eliminates the case that one of your sites operates unintentionally as default |
| 04:51.22 | Bushmills | (or confirms it, in which case you know what cause the problem) |
| 04:51.30 | DanDare | allright |
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| 05:08.56 | DanDare | I have now just the default server, pointing requets to /var/www, theres a index.html file in there. From remote browser any of my domains are pointing to same index.html, any clue in how to block this? I want my domains responding only when I set virtualhosts for them. |
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| 05:10.05 | Bushmills | let default server display a page "site not available" |
| 05:10.50 | DanDare | its already, its "Its really working?" in this case :) |
| 05:11.14 | Bushmills | change it to "site is not available" as that complies more with your requirements |
| 05:11.19 | DanDare | I supose these are unhandled requests, now i must discover where on config file i can set behaviour |
| 05:11.24 | DanDare | allright |
| 05:12.00 | DanDare | well, its done |
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| 05:12.45 | Bushmills | now all your requests are "blocked" |
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| 05:13.57 | DanDare | yeah, by default server index.html |
| 05:14.20 | ZitZ | hello, does someone know how to connect to a bluetooth headset through only the command line? |
| 05:14.34 | DanDare | sounds good as resolvers can reach some data |
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| 05:19.36 | DanDare | Now that. I added the first virtualhost, i can load the page from a browser. But if i type in the browser the second domain (not yet configured), browser is redirected to the other site virtualhost. |
| 05:20.02 | DanDare | still stucked with same situation ... |
| 05:22.44 | Bushmills | try ip address now, what that shows |
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| 05:23.40 | DanDare | Bushmills, its redirected to the virtualhost.. not the default server |
| 05:23.53 | Bushmills | there's your problem |
| 05:24.08 | DanDare | i see |
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| 05:24.37 | xerophyte | anyone help me with mercurial question : in the .hgignore i put public_html/foo/var/* .. but it also ignore the foo too .. how can i avoid that |
| 05:27.04 | DanDare | well, any clue on where should I look so |
| 05:27.05 | DanDare | ? |
| 05:27.30 | DanDare | yeah I know the configuration files ... |
| 05:27.35 | DanDare | :) |
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| 06:07.47 | Remmy | Hi all, any ideas on a calendar hosted on my debian server which I can access both from work (windows), my home linux box, and my iphone? |
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| 06:15.27 | cantido | Remmy: look up imap + ical |
| 06:16.05 | manhunter | hi , it's not booting other linux distro from grub selection , i installed grub in /dev/sdb |
| 06:16.40 | manhunter | for example can't boot mandriva , it says "can't file file" load the kernel first , http://pastebin.com/jCgEsGbJ |
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| 06:22.07 | Remmy | cantido, a bit surprised that kontact doesn't seem to support ical yet? |
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| 06:23.21 | cantido | Remmy: I haven't used it for ages.. but I think it did support ical.. or something similar |
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| 06:23.38 | Remmy | Ok, I'll have a further look... thanks :) |
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| 06:45.17 | Tau | hi. i have a problem. how can i make a file be downloaded by other uses ? |
| 06:45.21 | Tau | from my machine. |
| 06:45.28 | Tau | what program should i use for |
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| 06:48.33 | nevyn | Tau: other users on your machine or other random people |
| 06:48.43 | nevyn | or other authenticated but not local users? |
| 06:48.44 | Tau | nevyn, á¹eople from the internet. |
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| 06:48.50 | Tau | not local user. |
| 06:49.01 | Tau | nevyn, well i have a shell then i want to upload my files there. |
| 06:49.08 | Tau | a kind of beckaup. |
| 06:49.16 | cantido | Tau: http.. |
| 06:49.18 | nevyn | Tau: does it provide http access? |
| 06:49.20 | Tau | i don't know what i use to download it. |
| 06:49.30 | Tau | nevyn, i think yes. |
| 06:49.36 | nevyn | create a directory called public_html on your shell and put some files there. |
| 06:50.01 | Tau | well. the files are on my machine i want to transfer them to the shell. |
| 06:50.05 | Tau | shell account. |
| 06:50.07 | Tau | in other pc. |
| 06:50.15 | Tau | i have an account on that pc. |
| 06:50.26 | nevyn | transfering the files to the shell I'd use scp... |
| 06:50.33 | Tau | hm. |
| 06:50.40 | nevyn | to allow others to download them I'd use http |
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| 06:51.22 | Tau | nevyn, hm, alright. |
| 06:51.24 | Tau | i will try scp. |
| 06:51.29 | Tau | do u know some nice tutorial ? |
| 06:51.29 | manhunter | what is the command to install grub ? |
| 06:51.33 | manhunter | it's debian squeeze |
| 06:51.46 | manhunter | aptitude install grub2 or aptitude install grub ? |
| 06:52.13 | nevyn | ummm.. there should be heaps of tutorials on this stuff. |
| 06:52.31 | Tau | if i have a file K and i want other to download it from my machine |
| 06:52.34 | Tau | how could i call scp ? |
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| 06:55.12 | nevyn | Tau: so you have three systems right. |
| 06:55.26 | Tau | nevyn, i have two systems. |
| 06:55.31 | nevyn | your system that currently has the file you want to publish. |
| 06:55.39 | Tau | i want to get from system 1 a file named k to the system 2. |
| 06:55.45 | Tau | nevyn, yes. |
| 06:55.45 | manhunter | aptitude install grub2 or aptitude install grub ? |
| 06:55.46 | nevyn | your shell on system 2 |
| 06:55.48 | manhunter | what is the command to install grub ? |
| 06:55.49 | Tau | yes |
| 06:55.50 | manhunter | it's debian squeeze |
| 06:55.50 | Tau | nevyn, |
| 06:56.08 | nevyn | and the public internet user who you want to be able to download K |
| 06:56.27 | cantido | manhunter: IIRC grub with install grub2-pc on i386/amd64 |
| 06:56.54 | manhunter | i did , aptitude install grub2 |
| 06:57.11 | cantido | s/with/it will/ |
| 06:57.14 | nevyn | Tau: while the third system is not under your control it helps to acknowledge it's existance from a data flow point of view. |
| 06:57.19 | cantido | has lost the plot |
| 06:57.32 | Tau | nevyn, hum. |
| 06:57.40 | Tau | nevyn, how so third system ? |
| 06:57.45 | cantido | manhunter: eh, keep in in the channel |
| 06:57.54 | cantido | manhunter: s/in in/it in/ |
| 06:58.09 | manhunter | cantido, aptitude install grub2 |
| 06:58.13 | nevyn | Tau: The public internet users computer you want to be able to download K. |
| 06:58.16 | manhunter | cantido, is that ok? |
| 06:58.27 | cantido | manhunter: what machine is it? |
| 06:58.34 | Tau | nevyn, i want to transfer a file from a compuer A to the computer B. |
| 06:58.50 | Tau | the computer B wants a file that is in A. |
| 06:59.04 | manhunter | cantido, intel |
| 06:59.07 | nevyn | Tau: you want to publish file K to public internet user |
| 06:59.14 | manhunter | cantido, intel pentium D |
| 06:59.18 | Tau | kk |
| 06:59.21 | Tau | nevyn, yes. |
| 06:59.23 | manhunter | cantido, i386 |
| 06:59.25 | Tau | how can i do that using scp ? |
| 06:59.27 | nevyn | Tau: true transfering file K from system A to system B is a requisite step. |
| 06:59.29 | cantido | manhunter: grub-pc.. install that |
| 06:59.36 | Tau | hum |
| 06:59.38 | Tau | sure. |
| 06:59.41 | Tau | nevyn, what is it ? |
| 06:59.43 | cantido | manhunter: then you need to use grub-setup to actually install it |
| 06:59.51 | nevyn | Tau: scp K user@systemb: |
| 07:00.00 | manhunter | cantido, grub-pc is installed with grub2 |
| 07:00.01 | Tau | humm. |
| 07:00.03 | Tau | lets try nevyn . |
| 07:00.04 | Tau | hold on |
| 07:00.37 | cantido | manhunter: yeah, well you need to exactly install grub to the mbr of the disk and generate a config file.. grub-setup will do that |
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| 07:01.25 | Tau | nevyn, sure. i have done that in my machine. |
| 07:01.25 | nevyn | Tau: to achieve your goal you'll need to transfer the file to the right place on system B (either in one stepor multiple steps) ensure permissions on everything are correct etc. |
| 07:01.30 | Tau | how how can i download that from the computer B ? |
| 07:01.42 | Tau | using scp |
| 07:01.46 | manhunter | cantido, this is what i got , http://pastebin.com/FHYWdAUW |
| 07:02.16 | nevyn | Tau: you mean http? |
| 07:02.39 | Tau | tau@freeshell:~$ scp pdf.py tau@186.194.34.31 |
| 07:02.39 | Tau | cp: cannot stat `pdf.py': No such file or directory |
| 07:02.45 | Tau | nevyn, is that ? |
| 07:02.54 | nevyn | that's failure. |
| 07:02.58 | Tau | yes. |
| 07:03.09 | Tau | nevyn, i have done scp pdf.py in my machine. |
| 07:03.20 | cantido | manhunter: it seems to have installed the package and generated a config. I dont think it will install the mbr automagically though |
| 07:03.27 | cantido | manhunter: use grub-setup to do that |
| 07:03.43 | cantido | manhunter: if you already had grub2 you don't need to do that |
| 07:04.19 | nevyn | Tau: ok so freeshell needs a couple of odd things |
| 07:04.39 | Tau | k |
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| 07:04.50 | Tau | i think i will give up. |
| 07:04.57 | nevyn | Tau: you need to follow their faq for the setup of your public_html directory it doesn't get served from your home directory. |
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| 07:05.02 | cantido | Tau: the freeshell docs show how to publish your own stuff via http |
| 07:05.05 | nevyn | srsly? |
| 07:05.11 | Tau | Canar, no |
| 07:05.13 | Tau | cantido, no |
| 07:05.15 | Tau | i will give up. |
| 07:05.16 | Tau | kk |
| 07:05.19 | Tau | thaks |
| 07:05.20 | Tau | thanks |
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| 07:05.28 | cantido | Tau: they do, plently of people have stuff hosted there |
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| 07:05.33 | cantido | meh |
| 07:05.34 | nevyn | cantido: sigh. |
| 07:06.00 | cantido | there is a help system and a message board that the admins read.. |
| 07:06.19 | cantido | some people just cant help themselves |
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| 07:06.34 | nevyn | yeah I've just wasted like 5 mins of my life on someone who just gave up at a slight hiccup. |
| 07:06.48 | nevyn | nope more like 15. |
| 07:07.11 | cantido | is pretty sure its ~/public_html |
| 07:07.26 | cantido | not that you would want to serve much from freeshell, its slow as hell |
| 07:07.32 | nevyn | nah you have to simlink ~/html to /www/blahsomewhere |
| 07:07.48 | bonjoyee | i have .deb packages from various repos for squeeze in a folder. Is there a way to assort them according to the repos? |
| 07:07.58 | nevyn | bonjoyee: nope. |
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| 07:08.10 | cantido | nevyn: ah, I ain't used it in ages.. but it's not like it isn't written down somewhere |
| 07:08.53 | nevyn | bonjoyee: not without parsing the packages lists from each repo and then matching that to the local files |
| 07:09.07 | nevyn | it's probably doable with 5 lines of clever python or something |
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| 07:09.42 | Tau | http://www.raiden.net/articles/howto_using_scp/ |
| 07:09.46 | Tau | i got. |
| 07:09.49 | Tau | using that. |
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| 07:11.16 | bonjoyee | nevyn: i know of a way to backup them in a folder...scan only the latest..and delete the older ones..but now i wish to have some packages sorted by sources.. |
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| 07:12.02 | manhunter | cantido, is it ok ? grub-install /dev/sdb |
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| 07:12.10 | bonjoyee | nevyn: can apt-move work on a local folder..without using /var/lib/apt/lists? |
| 07:12.13 | manhunter | cantido, or , grub-install /dev/sda |
| 07:12.59 | cantido | manhunter: have a look in /usr/share/doc .. |
| 07:13.20 | cantido | there is going to be a directory called grub2-pc or something a readme that explains everything |
| 07:14.00 | nevyn | bonjoyee: *shrug* |
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| 07:21.39 | Lewoco | How exactly do nvidia-glx/nvidia-kernel-dkms work? I have a GT 220 but when I tried installing them and it prevented opengl stuff like glxgears from working at all... |
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| 07:40.42 | nevyn | so having apt-get source and build-dep for a package how do I build the deb? |
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| 07:41.11 | Dewi | nevyn: well apt-get -b source |
| 07:41.17 | Jimmy89 | rsync with flags -rtv should only replace a file if the source file is newer? |
| 07:41.23 | Dewi | nevyn: I forget the command if you already downloaded source |
| 07:42.10 | Dewi | nevyn: I think -b just starts dpkg-buildpackage |
| 07:42.14 | nevyn | that works.. |
| 07:42.24 | nevyn | dpkg-buildpackage is what I needed |
| 07:42.32 | Dewi | cool |
| 07:44.22 | Jimmy89 | ah i needed the -u flag too |
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| 07:53.58 | Jimmy89 | is it possible in samba to let users read and write files, but not delete? |
| 07:54.55 | Dewi | Jimmy89: delete & file creation are actions on the dir rather than the file, so maybe |
| 07:56.04 | Jimmy89 | but that would mean you couldn't write then? |
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| 07:56.16 | Dewi | Jimmy89: you can still write them |
| 07:56.29 | Jimmy89 | oh really, what permissions are need to do that? |
| 07:56.42 | Dewi | $ echo blah > foo |
| 07:56.42 | Dewi | [20110129T175630+1000]seepgood@vetch:/home/dewi |
| 07:56.42 | Dewi | $ rm foo |
| 07:56.42 | Dewi | rm: cannot remove `foo': Permission denied |
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| 07:56.51 | Dewi | oops |
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| 07:57.20 | mrkotfw | Hello everyone. |
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| 07:58.01 | Dewi | Jimmy89: you probably need +x on the dir and +rw on the files |
| 07:58.44 | Dewi | Jimmy89: (for 'group' or 'other') |
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| 07:59.41 | Dewi | Jimmy89: so chmod a+w (or o+w) on the file grants write but not delete |
| 07:59.49 | phizz | morning |
| 07:59.51 | mrkotfw | Ugh.... |
| 07:59.55 | mrkotfw | I can't get any DHCP offers |
| 07:59.59 | Dewi | oops I meant to say g+w or o+w |
| 08:00.08 | Dewi | mrkotfw: firewall? |
| 08:00.13 | mrkotfw | Nope |
| 08:00.15 | mrkotfw | Wireless |
| 08:00.37 | Dewi | mrkotfw: then it could be crypto too. Tried setting IP manually for now? |
| 08:00.48 | mrkotfw | Crypto? |
| 08:01.02 | Dewi | mrkotfw: well you won't get offers if your WEP or WPA password is wrong |
| 08:01.10 | mrkotfw | It's unsecured |
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| 08:01.54 | mrkotfw | There's no error anywhere |
| 08:02.00 | Dewi | mrkotfw: check for firewalls on both client & server, then check if DHCP is configured on both |
| 08:02.16 | Dewi | mrkotfw: test with a known-good machine, etc |
| 08:02.39 | mrkotfw | Yeah, I'd do the second suggestion, but I don't have another good machine. |
| 08:02.57 | mrkotfw | I have a feeling DHCP is running fine considering I can get an IP through a wired connection |
| 08:03.24 | mrkotfw | Also, I did go to a public area (school) with an unsecured network and all the people around me were able to connect |
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| 08:05.36 | mrkotfw | Hrm... it was working under stable |
| 08:05.52 | mrkotfw | I installed from scratch stable, then upgraded to testing |
| 08:06.04 | mrkotfw | But I didn't set up wireless (drivers) while I was under stable |
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| 08:13.31 | tuv | what is a data storage format that is easy to access (both read and write) programatically, and to browse through visually? |
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| 08:13.56 | tuv | (tcl accessibility is preferrable) |
| 08:14.20 | skamikaze | sqlite? |
| 08:15.12 | Hydroxide | tuv: yaml, to name one. there are many other valid answers. |
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| 08:18.06 | tuv | Hydroxide: i'd appreciate a list of options, just to get a feel of the bunch (looking into yaml) |
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| 08:19.27 | Dewi | tuv: json & xml dominate |
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| 08:19.58 | Dewi | tuv: json being a little more human, and with a beautifully short spec so there are implementations everywhere |
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| 08:21.13 | Dewi | tuv: most of my work has been web-centric though |
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| 08:21.49 | doublehp_ | audacious sux; which alternative for an easy XMMS like MP3 player ? |
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| 08:22.17 | Dewi | doublehp_: you don't want a client-server one? |
| 08:22.23 | doublehp_ | no |
| 08:23.00 | doublehp_ | that's why i said XMMS like ... |
| 08:23.31 | Lewoco | Uhm, I just installed nvidia-glx and rebooted yet nouveau is loaded. WTF is up with that? |
| 08:23.37 | tuv | it's a shame the old xmms went a way |
| 08:23.46 | doublehp_ | ( not to mention a more used one on some alternate OS ... ) |
| 08:23.53 | tuv | Lewoco: load the nvidia module on boot? |
| 08:24.10 | Lewoco | tuv, What do you mean? |
| 08:24.23 | doublehp_ | Lewoco: installed firmware ? |
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| 08:24.42 | Lewoco | doublehp_, Uhm... |
| 08:24.43 | doublehp_ | tuv: check in dmesg that it is loaded by kernel |
| 08:24.56 | doublehp_ | you want DRM/DRI lines |
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| 08:25.35 | doublehp_ | Lewoco: he meant, you need to load the module |
| 08:25.53 | tuv | Lewoco: there are two components to nvidia: the kernel module and the x driver. nvidia-glx is the x driver only, and it needs the kernel module |
| 08:26.14 | Lewoco | tuv, Yeah but nvidia-glx depends on the kernel module package afaik. |
| 08:26.35 | tuv | Lewoco: is the stable or testing? |
| 08:26.41 | tuv | *this |
| 08:26.47 | Lewoco | tuv, Moreover loading the nvidia is a secondary concern right now. What I *really* want to know is why nouveau is still being loaded. |
| 08:26.54 | Lewoco | tuv, testing |
| 08:27.20 | Lewoco | According to good old grep: modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-common.conf:blacklist nouveau |
| 08:27.25 | tuv | Lewoco: if the nvidia kernel module isn't insalled, nvidia-glx won't find and so won't work. so x defaults to the free driver |
| 08:27.51 | Lewoco | tuv, But how can it use the free driver if it's blacklisted? |
| 08:28.07 | tuv | Lewoco: also, even if everything is properly installed, you need at least a minimal /etc/X11/xorg.conf file that specifies the nvidia driver |
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| 08:31.10 | doublehp_ | Lewoco: you blacklisted from / ... not from initrd !!! |
| 08:31.33 | Lewoco | doublehp_, Ok, how do I rebuild initrd? |
| 08:31.53 | doublehp_ | and befer initrd there is grub left |
| 08:32.22 | doublehp_ | tuv: X conf is optionnal: if only one driver is installed, it can use only ... the only one :) |
| 08:33.04 | doublehp_ | Lewoco: dmesg !!! |
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| 08:33.46 | Lewoco | doublehp_, I just check /boot/grub/grub.conf. No mention of nouveau in it, so I think it must be getting it from an old initrd. |
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| 08:34.04 | Lewoco | doublehp_, No mention of nouveau in dmesg either. |
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| 08:36.28 | rue_house | why might the linux machines using the default dhcp config not be registering their machine names with my bind service while ones using pump work fine? |
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| 08:37.47 | Lewoco | rue_house, Maybe you need to manually enable it for dhclient. |
| 08:38.00 | Lewoco | rue_house, try man dhclient.conf and check out the DYNAMIC DNS section. |
| 08:38.12 | Lewoco | doublehp_, Ok, rebuilt initrd, rebooting! |
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| 08:39.51 | doublehp_ | rue_house: because DHCP is not pump |
| 08:39.59 | rue_house | hmm thats not supposed to be done by the dhcp server? |
| 08:40.11 | doublehp_ | no |
| 08:40.22 | rue_house | I thought that http://www.debianadmin.com/howto-setup-dhcp-server-and-dynamic-dns-with-bind-in-debian.html was all about getting the dhcp server to update bind |
| 08:40.53 | doublehp_ | rue_house: did you set it to do it ? |
| 08:41.03 | rue_house | yes |
| 08:41.11 | rue_house | I dont know if I did it right, I dont see any errors |
| 08:41.27 | rue_house | would you like me to post a config? |
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| 08:41.58 | Lewoco | doublehp_, omfg, nouveau is still loaded |
| 08:42.13 | doublehp_ | Lewoco: updatedb ; locate nouveau |
| 08:42.30 | doublehp_ | Lewoco: and apstebin dmesg !!! |
| 08:43.05 | rue_house | ok I'm confused |
| 08:43.42 | rue_house | I take it the default dhcp client config will not send the dhcp server the machine name? |
| 08:44.34 | rue_house | the dynamic dns stuff just dosn't quite look right |
| 08:44.50 | Lewoco | doublehp_, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/998563 |
| 08:45.29 | rue_house | what is pump doing that dhclient isn't? |
| 08:45.36 | rue_house | do I need to iftraf this? |
| 08:45.50 | Lewoco | doublehp_, I don't have locate installed, but I used find /lib -name '*nouveau*'.... Only result was modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/nouveau/nouveau.ko |
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| 08:48.02 | doublehp_ | rue_house: exlpain me why my PXE Server accepts Intel cards, but not 3COM PXE 2 |
| 08:48.12 | doublehp_ | rue_house: exlpain me why my PXE Server accepts Intel PXE 2.0 cards, but not 3COM PXE 1.2 |
| 08:48.52 | rue_house | firmware ****up? |
| 08:49.17 | rue_house | reflash the newcode |
| 08:49.26 | rue_house | oh |
| 08:49.32 | doublehp_ | Lewoco: i asked locate for some reasons ... and the reason is, the thing may be at *an* place, and especially, where you would not think it is. So, any place you can think about, it's not there. |
| 08:49.37 | rue_house | dont mix vendors tho :) |
| 08:49.39 | doublehp_ | Lewoco: thus locate |
| 08:50.09 | doublehp_ | rue_house: i used to only use 3COM , until that day |
| 08:50.23 | rue_house | did they release a new version? |
| 08:50.50 | rue_house | I dont understand this |
| 08:51.44 | rue_house | does pump update bind? or is dhcpd doing it? |
| 08:52.09 | doublehp_ | Leonidas: i dont see nouveau there; i don't understand what is your drm |
| 08:52.29 | doublehp_ | rue_house: according to tuto, the server should do it |
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| 08:54.52 | doublehp_ | rue_house: stupid tuto any way: no date, no exact version of software used ... unreliable tuto |
| 08:55.05 | rue_house | and I dont know if it should show up in a release after I get the config right |
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| 09:11.05 | EmleyMoor | I have some code I obtained from sf.net using subversion. There have been 16 revisions, but I can't browse them on the web because something is broken on their site. Is there any other easy way to see what has changed? |
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| 09:20.08 | simonrvn | svn log, svn diff ? |
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| 09:31.31 | yang | I am getting error at boot "mount: according to mtab sysfs is allready mounted on /sys" - failed" my /etc/fstab entry is visible at http://rula.net/600 |
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| 09:33.45 | thewanderer1 | yang: do you have /etc/mtab as a symlink to /proc/mounts ? |
| 09:34.13 | yang | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 496 Jan 29 10:28 /etc/mtab |
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| 09:47.07 | rue_house | by default will dhclient send the machine name to the dhcp server? |
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| 09:48.49 | thewanderer1 | suppose I made a tap device like this: tunctl -u thewanderer -g users -t tap0; how to use it now? well, what tools do I have to make it tick? |
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| 09:51.14 | dutchfish | rue_house: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf -> #send host-name "andare.fugue.com"; |
| 09:52.09 | dutchfish | rue_house: but it can be superseeded by dns from the dhcp-server and wins is another option |
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| 09:54.28 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: http://www.shakthimaan.com/installs/debian-tun-tap-setup.html |
| 09:55.11 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: in short brctl |
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| 09:55.35 | thewanderer1 | dutchfish: yes, this part I know... I'm trying to attach my program to the "guest" end of the tap |
| 09:55.43 | thewanderer1 | as in 'no qemu" |
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| 09:56.15 | thewanderer1 | this is basically to create an ultra-lightweight process that will route packets... |
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| 09:57.08 | thewanderer1 | I see that qemu makes a host iface and a "guest" iface, and they differ in MAC addresses |
| 09:57.16 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: yes |
| 09:57.34 | thewanderer1 | so how do I set the guest MAC... where is it set? |
| 09:57.56 | thewanderer1 | the TUN/TAP documentation tells me that the packet format is "header" (4b) plus IP data, but not a word of Ethernet data |
| 09:58.04 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: you 3 things phys, transport layer and ipv4/ipv6 stack, it depends on what you want to do |
| 09:58.20 | thewanderer1 | I basically want to tap into the data link layer |
| 09:58.33 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: maybe netfilter? |
| 09:58.52 | thewanderer1 | hm no, this has to be performed by a userspace program attached to a virtual interface |
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| 09:58.56 | thewanderer1 | to simulate routers |
| 09:59.10 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: but i use for that a bridge setup with iptables, arptables and ebtables |
| 09:59.30 | thewanderer1 | yes, sure I could do that, but I need to simulate routers |
| 09:59.36 | thewanderer1 | and QEMU/KVM is too heavy here |
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| 09:59.52 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: then kernelrouting, thats it |
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| 10:00.09 | thewanderer1 | then the kernel would have to be present on many bridges... |
| 10:00.21 | thewanderer1 | i.e. have IP addresses configured |
| 10:00.35 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: but that leaves you out in the cold when you want maximum control, you can simulate a router with a bridge setup, did you know? |
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| 10:00.57 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: iptables works as well nice for bridge setups |
| 10:00.58 | thewanderer1 | well, sure I can use the host system |
| 10:01.23 | dutchfish | theandbut you want max separation? |
| 10:01.40 | thewanderer1 | I'd like maximum separation for per-interface routing |
| 10:01.46 | dutchfish | nods |
| 10:01.49 | thewanderer1 | I'll have to simulate complex topologies |
| 10:02.07 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: netfilter and friends then |
| 10:02.09 | thewanderer1 | I'll have multiple internets... |
| 10:02.19 | thewanderer1 | that is, 1.1.1.1 might occur many times on the network |
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| 10:02.40 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: maybe even L7 filtering but thats higher proto filtering .... |
| 10:02.53 | thewanderer1 | well, I don't care about L7 here... |
| 10:02.57 | dutchfish | ok |
| 10:03.10 | thewanderer1 | but when I have multiple separate internets, destination-based routing stops making sense |
| 10:03.18 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: maybe delve into nfsfilter |
| 10:03.31 | dutchfish | theandthat would should all your needs |
| 10:03.56 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: that would fill all your needs |
| 10:04.06 | thewanderer1 | hmm, never heard of nfsfilter |
| 10:04.06 | dutchfish | (sorry for my typos) |
| 10:04.41 | thewanderer1 | I'll basically be virtualizing internets |
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| 10:05.29 | thewanderer1 | so... IP addresses will be arbitrary, they will collide very often... I expect to have 192.168.0.0/24 on many bridges |
| 10:05.32 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: correction, nftables was what i meant: http://lwn.net/Articles/324989/ |
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| 10:06.39 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: that would give you max flexibility |
| 10:06.40 | thewanderer1 | yes, I could use it... however I can't set IP addresses on the bridges |
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| 10:06.51 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: sure you can |
| 10:07.02 | thewanderer1 | unless I find a way to have 20 same subnets on many interfaces |
| 10:07.22 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: no problem as long as you bind to the correct phys devs |
| 10:07.36 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: and use i nifty filter setup |
| 10:07.42 | thewanderer1 | won't the routing tables get terribly confused? |
| 10:08.03 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: thats to find out, with modern kernels i see not so much problems |
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| 10:08.28 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: i did that ones in a split dhcp server setup |
| 10:08.29 | thewanderer1 | the setup I'm aiming at is: I build a complex network, with virtual routers, bridges and so on, and try ping on that |
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| 10:08.56 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: well, try it |
| 10:09.24 | thewanderer1 | well the problem is that I don't have a means to issue this ping command |
| 10:09.24 | tlchack5 | This is probably something simple I am overlooking but I am running apache and I changed the index.html file from "it works" to a greeting. When I link directly to index.html it shows the new content however when I type the ip of the server it still reads "It Works". |
| 10:09.42 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: very intresting stuff btw, i am testing with double natting for bridgefirewalling btw |
| 10:09.46 | thewanderer1 | tlchack5: remove browser cache? |
| 10:10.09 | tlchack5 | thewanderer1: *facepalm* |
| 10:10.11 | tlchack5 | thanks |
| 10:10.13 | thewanderer1 | dutchfish: actually the problem looks like this: when I type ping 1.2.3.4, there are multiple 1.2.3.4 hosts... |
| 10:10.49 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: you could just make rules for if [some params] route to phys dev x |
| 10:11.10 | thewanderer1 | sure, but I still need some virtual clients to connect to my imaginary infrastructure |
| 10:11.16 | thewanderer1 | hence the TUN/TAP thing... |
| 10:11.16 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: thats a breeze in nftables |
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| 10:11.50 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: you can extend that analogue to that too, np |
| 10:12.13 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: as loong as your rules are unambigious, np |
| 10:12.25 | thewanderer1 | 1.2.3.4 destination address is ambigious... |
| 10:12.48 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: not when 1.2.3.4 destination address phys dev x |
| 10:13.03 | thewanderer1 | yes, but how would I test connectivity then? :P |
| 10:13.03 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: as in bridge setup |
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| 10:13.18 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: well, the same as your rules alow |
| 10:14.00 | thewanderer1 | this gets non-obvious when I have multiple 1.2.3.4 and I need to ping them simultanously but via different paths |
| 10:14.05 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: the only wall you hit is kernel cycles needed for doing this all (filtering) but thats not your main concern i gues |
| 10:14.33 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: not at all |
| 10:14.49 | thewanderer1 | sorry but I seem to miss a solution |
| 10:15.13 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: phys device binding and filtering on phys routes |
| 10:15.23 | thewanderer1 | source-based routing and some parameters for the ping command? |
| 10:15.46 | dutchfish | think again, we are talking l2 here |
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| 10:16.14 | thewanderer1 | yes, so source device based |
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| 10:17.34 | thewanderer1 | this sounds quite workable, actually |
| 10:17.41 | dutchfish | nods |
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| 10:18.26 | thewanderer1 | is binding client programs to a particular interface difficult? |
| 10:18.41 | dutchfish | rem l3 doesnt have no idee about phys dev l2 rules, so i see no problems |
| 10:19.38 | thewanderer1 | oh, one more thing hit me |
| 10:19.40 | dutchfish | it get only hairy when you want firewall rules for double natting ;) |
| 10:20.14 | thewanderer1 | how do I simulate client PCs connected to bridges? |
| 10:21.03 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: you want to delve either in honeypot solution packages OR do it with small vm's or even a jail setup might work |
| 10:21.08 | EmleyMoor | kvm can use tap/tun to achieve that effect |
| 10:21.13 | thewanderer1 | KVM is too heavy |
| 10:21.19 | thewanderer1 | I expect to have hundreds of "hosts" |
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| 10:21.43 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: not if you use mem sharing and use latest io hw access |
| 10:21.56 | ali3n0 | EmleyMoor, this is why source browsing on sf.net isn't available at the moment: http://sourceforge.net/blog/sourceforge-net-attack/ |
| 10:22.11 | thewanderer1 | well, I doubt mem sharing would help me with those numbers of machines |
| 10:22.17 | thewanderer1 | there's no CPU sharing :) |
| 10:22.43 | tlchack5 | thewanderer1: Xen? |
| 10:23.06 | Astroman | Is there somewhere I can read the docs that are put in /usr/share/docs before installing a package? |
| 10:23.06 | thewanderer1 | tlchack5: anything but Xen... it's doubly as heavy as KVM.. |
| 10:23.11 | EmleyMoor | ali3n0: Ah, thanks... I wondered if the attack, which also forced password changes, was involved |
| 10:23.17 | thewanderer1 | I suppose I could use OpenVZ, but it has limitations of its own |
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| 10:23.48 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Using_VirtIO_NIC |
| 10:23.48 | ali3n0 | EmleyMoor, yep I just got the reset-pwd email than seen the blog post |
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| 10:24.13 | EmleyMoor | can be patient now he knows |
| 10:24.17 | thewanderer1 | dutchfish: yes, I'm using VirtIO nics on a daily basis, but the solution is still to heavy... |
| 10:24.34 | thewanderer1 | dutchfish: I'd ideally like to do what KVM does with the TUN/TAP but without the full KVM... |
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| 10:24.58 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: you are driving a hard bargen, but it can be done. |
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| 10:25.13 | thewanderer1 | well, not in KVM I suppose... |
| 10:25.29 | thewanderer1 | guess I'll need to see its source |
| 10:25.59 | EmleyMoor | Meanwhile, I've got a program I use that has a "full screen" mode. I have managed to set my desktop machine to centre rather than stretch the picture to fit, but I can't find a setting for this on my laptop (which has Intel graphics) |
| 10:26.16 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: to my own tests, you can cram as much as 200 vm's in 4G, but thats where it ends |
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| 10:26.43 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: and you indeed need some ferm cpu's |
| 10:27.09 | thewanderer1 | dutchfish: yes... I was implementing this on OpenVZ till now but found myself limited by it |
| 10:27.17 | dutchfish | yep |
| 10:27.30 | thewanderer1 | (Debian takes about 8MB run in a VE...) |
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| 10:28.16 | EmleyMoor | (my desktop has NVidia, which provides the program to make the setting) |
| 10:28.59 | thewanderer1 | EmleyMoor: you should set this in the application itself, or run it windowed |
| 10:29.26 | thewanderer1 | for me, it was the display which handled proportions settings, not the GPU... |
| 10:29.49 | EmleyMoor | thewanderer1: No way to set it in the application - at least yet! As for running it windowed, fine when that's what I want |
| 10:30.20 | thewanderer1 | EmleyMoor: run it windowed but with the maximum size that you can :P |
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| 10:31.23 | EmleyMoor | thewanderer1: It's a display related setting but I've only found it through the NVidia tool. I need, obviously, to find the generic |
| 10:31.51 | thewanderer1 | perhaps it's a driver thing? |
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| 10:32.32 | EmleyMoor | thewanderer1: Is there an "outside" driver for Intel? |
| 10:32.34 | zaarg | anyone having a problem with the 2.6.32-5 in squeeze stuttering hard drive writes? |
| 10:32.40 | thewanderer1 | EmleyMoor: I have no idea |
| 10:32.46 | zaarg | it's make lots of writes...then wait for ages..before making another |
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| 10:33.00 | zaarg | for no apparent reason |
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| 10:34.04 | EmleyMoor | is wondering if the setting might be in the BIOS on the laptop (!) |
| 10:34.17 | jelly-hme | zaarg: is it on a laptop with laptop-mode-tools installed? |
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| 10:38.38 | Lewoco | I have two, dual output video adaptors, but KDE is only detecting one monitor on each adaptor. Why? |
| 10:38.43 | g105b | Hi, what are the best options for a very low memory footprint mail server? |
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| 10:39.18 | thewanderer1 | g105b: hmm... http://inetdxtra.sourceforge.net/ very frugal :) |
| 10:39.34 | jelly-hme | g105b: exim run from inetd / cron jobs? |
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| 10:40.58 | jelly-hme | ali3n0: you don't. The _filesystem_ on that block device will have an UUID. |
| 10:41.14 | jelly-hme | it's a property of the filesystem |
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| 10:47.06 | g0rd0n | debian 6.0 and virtualization on a server: XEN or KVM? i am so confused... |
| 10:48.27 | thewanderer1 | g0rd0n: KVM, less complex and just as fast (faster?) |
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| 11:25.07 | funyun | hi. noob here. i'm trying to follow this tutorial to install vmware http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-vmware-server-2-on-debian-lenny . but when i type "apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` build-essential xinetd gcc-4.1", i get "E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.34.6-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64". can anyone help me out please? |
| 11:26.30 | lapfrog | hey i'm trying to encode an mp3 and i can't find lame, even though i have contrib and non-free in sources.lst |
| 11:26.37 | lapfrog | !lame |
| 11:26.37 | dpkg | [lame] Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. Debian does not distribute LAME due to patent and infrastructure issues, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAME#Patents_and_legal_issues and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-0006/msg01213.html . Binary packages are available from <debian-multimedia> and <rarewares>. Applications using <GStreamer> for MP3 output require the LAME plugin (gstreamer0.10-lame package in <dmm>). http://lame.sf.net/ |
| 11:26.43 | lapfrog | fuuuuuuuuuu |
| 11:26.53 | lapfrog | ah debian multimedia ty |
| 11:28.31 | lapfrog | !multimedia |
| 11:28.31 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
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| 11:31.55 | zaarg | jelly-hme: nope |
| 11:33.10 | funyun | hi. noob here. i'm trying to follow this tutorial to install vmware http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-vmware-server-2-on-debian-lenny . but when i type "apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` build-essential xinetd gcc-4.1", i get "E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.34.6-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64". can anyone help me out please? |
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| 11:44.06 | funyun | hi. noob here. i'm trying to follow this tutorial to install vmware http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-vmware-server-2-on-debian-lenny . but when i type "apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` build-essential xinetd gcc-4.1", i get "E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.34.6-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64". can anyone help me out please? |
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| 11:46.23 | lapfrog | funfun, you have a custom kernel/ |
| 11:46.24 | lapfrog | ? |
| 11:46.30 | Cain | !tell funyun grsecurity |
| 11:46.44 | Cain | !tell funyun about grsecurity |
| 11:46.49 | lapfrog | !grsecurity @funyun |
| 11:46.52 | lapfrog | hum |
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| 11:49.12 | funyun | i'm not sure |
| 11:49.22 | Cain | funyun : check http://kernelsec.cr0.org/ |
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| 11:50.40 | yang | I am getting error at boot "mount: according to mtab sysfs is allready mounted on /sys" - failed" my /etc/fstab entry is visible at http://rula.net/600 |
| 11:52.33 | funyun | Cain: sorry for being such a noob. but what exactly do i check with this site? |
| 11:54.10 | Cain | funyun : check how to get your 'grs' kernel headers from it's repository |
| 11:54.36 | Cain | s/it's/its |
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| 12:01.44 | jelly-hme | funyun: that's not a Debian kernel and its headers won't be available in repos. |
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| 12:02.43 | jelly-hme | funyun: either contact whoever provided you with that kernel, or use one from the distro (install linux-image-amd64 and linux-headers-amd64 and boot that kernel) |
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| 12:03.04 | funyun | jelly-hme: will that delete everything i have? |
| 12:03.12 | jelly-hme | no. |
| 12:04.01 | funyun | jelly-hme: do you know of a tutorial that will walk me through it? i don't wanna screw anything up |
| 12:04.06 | funyun | i'm pretty new to linux |
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| 12:04.33 | jelly-hme | I don't, sorry, and tutorials are known for not letting you know what to do if things go wrong. |
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| 12:05.04 | funyun | jelly-hme: can you help me install it? |
| 12:05.25 | jelly-hme | anyone in this channel can. |
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| 12:07.34 | Kilgore | Hi guys. Does anyone know in which debian package i can find the old style unix "mail" command? "more /var/mail/username" gets tiresome after a while. TIA :) |
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| 12:08.19 | funyun | can anyone help me install linux-image-amd64 and linux-headers-amd64 and boot that kernel? |
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| 12:08.44 | jelly-hme | Kilgore: /msg judd file bin/mail |
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| 12:09.14 | Kilgore | thx a lot |
| 12:09.48 | Kilgore | interesting trick there. i'll keep it in mind |
| 12:09.49 | Kilgore | thx again |
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| 12:10.45 | phogg | funyun: I suggest you ask google how to install Debian packages via apt. This information will stand you in good stead in the future. |
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| 12:11.19 | jelly-hme | !reference |
| 12:11.19 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
| 12:11.24 | stew | funyun: you are not running a debian kernel which is why you don't have kernel headers available via apt. you'll need to ask whomever you got that kernel from |
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| 12:12.10 | jelly-hme | funyun: if you're not familiar with standard debian installation tools like apt-get or aptitude, it might be a good time to hit the documentation |
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| 12:12.39 | funyun | just to be clear. should i install what jelly-hme told me to, or should i email ovh? and what exactly should i ask them? |
| 12:13.32 | phogg | funyun: you should definitely install what jelly-hme told you to, regardless. Whether you contact your service provider depends on whether you want to continue with their kernel (then contact them) or use your own (probably don't need to contact them). |
| 12:13.35 | jelly-hme | funyun: it's an alternative. To get vmware kernel support, you need kernel headers. You can either try to get headers for your current kernel from ovh, or you can use Debian's kernel and headers. |
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| 12:14.50 | jelly-hme | funyun: also note it's quite possible the reason they're providing a custom kernel is because the Debian one doesn't suit the hardware well, in which case the Debian kernel might fail to boot. |
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| 12:15.37 | jelly-hme | while Debian tries to make distro kernels as generic as possible, it can sometimes lag behind and not be able to support latest hardware |
| 12:16.29 | funyun | jelly-hme: that might be the reason. because i think my hardware is the latest |
| 12:16.49 | thewanderer1 | jelly-hme: OVH are providing grsec kernels, too, it might be one of them - their RPS are netbooting anyway, so the kernels are on the NFS/iSCSI host and not on the server itself (only assuming it's an "RPS") |
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| 12:17.45 | stew | installing gcc-4.1 is an odd instruction. if you are going to be compiling stuff against the kernel headers, you need the gcc which compiled the kernel (from cat /proc/versions) not necessarily 4.1 |
| 12:18.35 | stew | unless vmware requires 4.1, in which case you'd possibly have to compile your own kernel anyway |
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| 12:19.33 | phogg | It's sounding more and more like contacting OVH is a good idea. They may not like their boxes running without grsec, for one thing. |
| 12:20.21 | thewanderer1 | heh, grsec in this case is only a bunch of kernel patches |
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| 12:21.31 | funyun | alright. i'll try contacting them. thanks to everyone for trying to help :) |
| 12:23.12 | jelly-hme | funyun: you've been a noob since June last year, when do you plan to upgrade! |
| 12:23.45 | jelly-hme | FreeNode-#debian.log:Jun 13 20:44:08 <funyun> noob here, trying to configure [...] |
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| 12:25.18 | funyun | jelly-hme: well i'm a noob in this department. in others, i've made quite a few breakthroughs |
| 12:25.40 | jelly-hme | \o/ |
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| 12:39.34 | HackeMate | hello, what is wrong here iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8080 |
| 12:39.40 | HackeMate | it returns Bad argument `80' |
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| 12:40.26 | phogg | HackeMate: --dport |
| 12:40.51 | HackeMate | oh, thanks |
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| 12:44.35 | HackeMate | and executing this sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward returns permission denied |
| 12:45.16 | jelly-hme | HackeMate: the redirection is done in your shell, by your own user (not root), before the command is executed |
| 12:45.42 | Jarvis | HackeMate: run sudo -i |
| 12:45.46 | Jarvis | then echo > ... etc |
| 12:46.21 | jelly-hme | HackeMate: if you want to use sudo, you can either sudo sh -c 'echo 1 > /path/to/stuff', or get creative with tee command |
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| 12:46.27 | Jarvis | or sudo -s |
| 12:46.33 | jelly-hme | HackeMate: echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 12:47.41 | jelly-hme | what's wrong with su anyway |
| 12:47.49 | HackeMate | the sudo -i was perfect |
| 12:48.08 | Jarvis | some machines have the root account disabled jelly-hme :) |
| 12:48.15 | HackeMate | no idea whats wrong with su, all sudo command has been executed except this iptables rule |
| 12:48.26 | Jarvis | so you have to use sudo unless you set a root password |
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| 12:48.54 | jelly-hme | Jarvis: I've never seen a Debian machine with a root account disabled. |
| 12:49.10 | HackeMate | well this is a tiny installation |
| 12:49.13 | Arrowmaster | jelly-hme: its been an option in the installer for a while |
| 12:49.16 | Jarvis | you can do it during install . just hit enter when it asks you for the root pass :) |
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| 12:49.25 | jelly-hme | Arrowmaster: expert mode? |
| 12:49.29 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 12:49.34 | jelly-hme | ah. |
| 12:49.42 | Arrowmaster | but as Jarvis said you can do it in any mode |
| 12:49.49 | Jarvis | iirc you can |
| 12:49.51 | jelly-hme | it sounds silly |
| 12:49.54 | Jarvis | allthough it doesn't tell you this |
| 12:50.05 | Jarvis | i found out purely by accident |
| 12:50.10 | Arrowmaster | but in expert it explicitly asks you and wont even prompt for a root password depending on your answer |
| 12:50.24 | jelly-hme | what do you do when boot-time fsck or mount fails and the system asks you for the root password to fix things |
| 12:50.32 | EduardeCalibal | Someone know a generic module do access SATA disk? |
| 12:50.39 | Jarvis | jelly-hme: it drops straight to a prompt |
| 12:50.47 | Jarvis | it doesn't ask you for the maintanence pass |
| 12:50.48 | EduardeCalibal | The sata_sis is making trouble here. |
| 12:50.50 | Arrowmaster | in expert if you say you want to set a root password, the set root password prompt reminds you that you can leave it blank to disable root access |
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| 12:51.08 | jelly-hme | mind boggling |
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| 13:07.14 | thewanderer1 | I have 2 bridges (`brctl addbr`) on 2 hosts. how to connect them so that they work like one? |
| 13:08.57 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: a cable? |
| 13:10.04 | thewanderer1 | yeah... now, the situation looks like this: host1 has 20 bridges, host2 has 20 bridges... one cable between them |
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| 13:10.43 | thewanderer1 | besides, a cable would only work in a LAN... |
| 13:10.51 | jelly-hme | gives thewanderer1 802.1q capable cards, and a copy of vlan.deb |
| 13:10.53 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: maybe brctl addif br1 dummy0 & brctl addif br2 dummy0 |
| 13:11.03 | thewanderer1 | dummy0 being what? |
| 13:11.12 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: a dummy interface |
| 13:11.20 | thewanderer1 | err, what's it do? |
| 13:11.51 | thewanderer1 | VLAN is okay, but it's not guaranteed that I won't have VLAN collisions... |
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| 13:12.59 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: or you could use ip aliases |
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| 13:13.57 | thewanderer1 | hmmm... found sth called "vtun", doesn't sound bad |
| 13:14.03 | thewanderer1 | (besides the overhead...) |
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| 13:16.08 | thewanderer1 | or... establish some VLAN mappings |
| 13:16.33 | thewanderer1 | however I'd need a switch which supports some kind of remote VLAN configuration without human interaction |
| 13:17.11 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: snmp over vlan |
| 13:17.40 | thewanderer1 | it could work. now what kind of device supports this? |
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| 13:18.01 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: google? |
| 13:18.25 | thewanderer1 | thanks, I'll buy their switches with embedded search button straight away |
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| 13:18.57 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: i meant google search ;) |
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| 13:19.01 | linux_probe | loool |
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| 13:20.11 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: most manageable switches that have .1q support have a have to configure them over serial, telnet or ssh |
| 13:20.19 | jelly-hme | have a way* |
| 13:20.28 | thewanderer1 | yes, scriptically |
| 13:20.47 | jelly-hme | I use Net::Appliance::Session |
| 13:20.50 | thewanderer1 | (is it scriptacularly? dunno...) |
| 13:21.00 | jelly-hme | used to use Net::Telnet::Cisco, but it didn't support ssh |
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| 13:22.55 | thewanderer1 | ok... |
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| 13:39.22 | EduardeCalibal | I have many erros with a SATA DVD driver, many messages like and "ata6.00: exception Emask 0x100 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x6". Someone? |
| 13:39.55 | EduardeCalibal | After each message I have a reset of the device. |
| 13:40.11 | EduardeCalibal | "ata6: hard resetting link" |
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| 13:41.43 | StyXman | EduardeCalibal: is it a notebook? |
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| 13:42.27 | EduardeCalibal | No... |
| 13:42.28 | Mirrakor | can someone help me to set up NFS - when I install it dpkg tries to configure nfs-commons and nfs-kernel-server but it fails and I've no idea why |
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| 13:43.22 | EduardeCalibal | I have 2 hard disks in the PATA and 1 DVD driver in this SATA. |
| 13:43.25 | StyXman | EduardeCalibal: this might be related: sata connectors in sata cables tend to be really crappy. try opening the computer, disconnecting and reconnecting the cable, in both ends |
| 13:43.42 | Mirrakor | or try a different cable if you have one at hand |
| 13:44.08 | EduardeCalibal | I checked all cables and changed the DVD driver. |
| 13:44.23 | EduardeCalibal | Maybe is a mother board fail... |
| 13:44.26 | StyXman | I have a friend sysadmin that sugets to use those plastic/silicone pistols to add a point of plastic/silicone to fix the connectors |
| 13:44.47 | StyXman | EduardeCalibal: or the dvd drive... |
| 13:45.01 | StyXman | ah, you said you changed it |
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| 13:46.13 | EduardeCalibal | Yes... |
| 13:46.17 | EduardeCalibal | Same error. |
| 13:46.31 | EduardeCalibal | If I unload the module sata_sis all is ok. |
| 13:46.40 | EduardeCalibal | After load, the problem came back. |
| 13:46.51 | EduardeCalibal | The problem is in this SATA but is in the module? |
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| 13:48.37 | StyXman | EduardeCalibal: sis? that used to be a crappy chipset manufacturer. I still recommend to stay off it |
| 13:48.53 | EduardeCalibal | :-/ |
| 13:49.15 | EduardeCalibal | I have a generic alternative for this module? |
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| 13:50.30 | StyXman | EduardeCalibal: I not sure there's a sata_generic, as there is an ide_generic |
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| 13:51.18 | Mirrakor | in your face debian |
| 13:51.52 | Mirrakor | Ok, is there a place where I can/should stick notes about certain packages? like /etc/network/interfaces need to include lo as loopback device in order to get nfs-common to work? |
| 13:52.07 | StyXman | EduardeCalibal: have you tried another/newer kernel version? |
| 13:53.17 | EduardeCalibal | This problem is a old problem... Now I have 2.6.32-5-686 here. |
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| 13:55.13 | StyXman | Mirrakor: at minimum there should be a note in the package's README.Debian or similar. at best it should check that in the install scripts. maybe you can file a bug about it |
| 13:55.15 | EduardeCalibal | I need know if this is a hardware problem before change this mother board... :-/ |
| 13:55.45 | jelly-hme | Mirrakor: lo device is needed for lots of things. |
| 13:55.48 | Mirrakor | StyXman: I'm new to debian, using squeeze on an arm processor can you give me a pointer where to adress issues about squeeze? |
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| 13:56.09 | Mirrakor | jelly-hme: true but it doesn't seem to be configured on a minimal installation |
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| 13:56.31 | jelly-hme | Mirrakor: it should be present and configured even on a base system. |
| 13:56.33 | StyXman | Mirrakor: it should be, otherwise it's a but in the installer |
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| 13:56.40 | StyXman | bug* |
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| 13:57.53 | StyXman | EduardeCalibal: the alst resort could be to try the mobo with another OS |
| 13:57.57 | StyXman | last* |
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| 13:59.23 | EduardeCalibal | Work with the MSWindows... But unstable sometimes. |
| 13:59.52 | StyXman | EduardeCalibal: same reasons or different ones? |
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| 14:03.45 | cfchris6 | how can I list which packages I have currently installed from non-free / contrib ? |
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| 14:05.16 | EduardeCalibal | Windows dont is good with logs... |
| 14:05.42 | EduardeCalibal | ...or messages. |
| 14:05.43 | StyXman | EduardeCalibal: maybe you should change it, then |
| 14:05.56 | EduardeCalibal | To bad. |
| 14:05.58 | EduardeCalibal | Thanks. |
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| 14:06.01 | StyXman | indeed |
| 14:06.11 | RichiH | my disk has been active for the last ten or 15 minutes and iotop comes up empty -- what could be the cause and how do i pinpoint it? |
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| 14:06.24 | StyXman | EduardeCalibal: maybe finding an ide dvd driver? |
| 14:06.45 | StyXman | RichiH: swaping a lot? |
| 14:07.01 | EduardeCalibal | I have some, but is a old hardware... I need solve this. |
| 14:07.15 | RichiH | StyXman: nope, none. and kswapd would need to have I/O if i was swapping |
| 14:07.16 | StyXman | RichiH: vmstat 1, swap collumns |
| 14:07.35 | StyXman | EduardeCalibal: just old or broken? |
| 14:07.51 | StyXman | RichiH: dmesg says nothong relevant? |
| 14:08.12 | RichiH | nope |
| 14:08.21 | EduardeCalibal | Only old, but devices have a life time. |
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| 14:11.15 | StyXman | EduardeCalibal: if you want it fixed for good, my advise is, again, change the mobo. if you can fix it temp, use the old dvd drive. but it's up to you |
| 14:11.21 | StyXman | RichiH: beats me |
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| 14:12.02 | babilen | cfchris6: Use something like this (bash) function/one-liner and grep for "non-free" http://paste.debian.net/106024/ |
| 14:12.11 | StyXman | RichiH: maybe you can ask in #debian in the irc.debian.org network |
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| 14:12.47 | CyberDomovoy | hi |
| 14:13.38 | djura-san | hai o/ |
| 14:14.50 | thewanderer1 | !tell cfchris6 about vrms |
| 14:15.11 | babilen | cfchris6: *sigh* -- sorry, but something like "aptitude search ~i~snon-free" is much better (adjust to your needs) |
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| 14:16.12 | babilen | thewanderer1: will that really list Debian packages by their respective section? Isn't that some kind of "non-free identification tool" ? |
| 14:16.33 | CyberDomovoy | any idea how i can get a list of the paths (/dev) to every block device that is a micro-sd card? |
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| 14:16.58 | thewanderer1 | babilen: it lists non-free and contrib separately |
| 14:17.20 | babilen | thewanderer1: Ah, I misunderstood the description then. I'll check that tool as well. |
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| 14:20.46 | cfchris6 | babilen: thanks |
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| 14:21.26 | babilen | cfchris6: as noted, have a look at vrms too, but i found aptitude's search patterns to be sufficient if not superior :) |
| 14:21.54 | flo|linux | hi |
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| 14:35.03 | smacnay | Is there a preferred removable media catalogue program. So far I have found disksearch (which is apparently obsolete), Gnome Catalogue, and GWhere. Are there others? |
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| 14:48.16 | hyper_ch | hi there, can anyone explain the difference between tmpfs and a ramdisk like this "mkfs -t ext3 -q /dev/ram1 65536"? And how to set the size of tmpfs - actually, I'm rather a bit confused of what tmpfs is |
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| 14:49.32 | thewanderer1 | smacnay: if I were you I'd write something in PHP and integrate it with UUID subsystem via some agent in C/C++... add MySQL/SQLite and you're set |
| 14:49.59 | thewanderer1 | hyper_ch: tmpfs is a file system, ramdisk that you mentioned is ext3 on top of a block device that points to a RAM region |
| 14:50.36 | hyper_ch | but tmpfs also uses ram and is some kind of ramdisk? |
| 14:50.37 | thewanderer1 | so they have different storage formats, as tmpfs is optimised for memory storage, while ext* family is made specially for hard disks |
| 14:50.48 | Arrowmaster | tmpfs uses ram and swap |
| 14:50.54 | thewanderer1 | oh, that too |
| 14:51.28 | hyper_ch | so, what would you suggest then for better use: I have a minecraft server and I thought storing the game data into ram would make it faster |
| 14:51.35 | thewanderer1 | hyper_ch: tmpfs |
| 14:51.48 | hyper_ch | the current world is about 3GB in size and has a gazillion small files |
| 14:51.52 | hyper_ch | great |
| 14:52.02 | hyper_ch | how can I control the size of tmpfs? |
| 14:52.02 | thewanderer1 | tmpfs can dynamically grow... |
| 14:52.25 | thewanderer1 | -o size=128m or -o size=50% (of the RAM) will set the max size |
| 14:52.30 | hyper_ch | ah good :) |
| 14:52.44 | thewanderer1 | I recommend trimming it down to 90% to avoid strange situations |
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| 14:53.05 | hyper_ch | server has 12gb ram |
| 14:53.21 | hyper_ch | and I thought for the 3GB world (now) I'd reserver about 6gb ram |
| 14:53.30 | thewanderer1 | so... do that :) |
| 14:53.57 | hyper_ch | thx :) |
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| 14:55.45 | thewanderer1 | what the penguin is minecraft anyway? O.o |
| 14:55.51 | hyper_ch | (in addition, the real file system is fully encrypted) |
| 14:56.01 | hyper_ch | minecraft is a java-based sandbox game |
| 14:56.03 | hyper_ch | it's fun though |
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| 14:56.08 | hyper_ch | thewanderer1: wanna see the world? |
| 14:56.14 | thewanderer1 | so where do you get the server? :P |
| 14:56.32 | hyper_ch | what do you mean where I get the server? |
| 14:57.02 | thewanderer1 | ah, Java. that's why it needs 3GB! |
| 14:57.11 | hyper_ch | no no, the map is 3gb |
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| 14:58.40 | coppermine | my cron job works every minute but if i put a specific time it wont run, what can I check? |
| 14:59.09 | hyper_ch | coppermine: how did you set it to run at a specific time? |
| 14:59.26 | coppermine | hyper_ch: like the examples show |
| 14:59.37 | coppermine | i.e 05 10 * * * command |
| 14:59.39 | coppermine | for 10:05am |
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| 14:59.51 | hyper_ch | try just 5 10 * * * command |
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| 15:00.12 | coppermine | i tried that |
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| 15:02.02 | coppermine | and cron is running if i do ps -eaf | grep cron |
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| 15:03.46 | AimHere | Shouldn't cron mail root with what happened when a job tried to run? |
| 15:03.51 | AimHere | You can check that |
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| 15:04.21 | eptalon | heyas |
| 15:04.28 | coppermine | no mail for root |
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| 15:04.47 | hyper_ch | have cron log to a file? |
| 15:04.56 | coppermine | doesnt output anything |
| 15:05.27 | hyper_ch | is it actually correctly loaded? crontab -l |
| 15:05.37 | coppermine | 5 10 * * * touch /hello.world |
| 15:05.44 | eptalon | is there a "screensaver" in debian that becomes active by switching off the display (after a certain amount of inactivity)? - I have the problem that when I watch a movie (eg. with vlc) this triggers after like 10-20mins. |
| 15:05.46 | hyper_ch | is that a root cron? |
| 15:06.16 | coppermine | yes |
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| 15:06.34 | hyper_ch | so it should have permissions to touch a file in the root folder.... |
| 15:06.44 | coppermine | and it does when i run it every minute |
| 15:06.49 | coppermine | but not specific times as I said |
| 15:07.04 | yang | I am getting error at boot "mount: according to mtab sysfs is allready mounted on /sys" - failed" my /etc/fstab entry is visible at http://rula.net/600 |
| 15:07.13 | hyper_ch | coppermine: maybe the touch isn't in the include path... try /usr/bin/touch /hello.world |
| 15:07.24 | coppermine | so why would it work every minute ? |
| 15:07.40 | hyper_ch | coppermine: maybe you're mistaken with the "works every minute" part |
| 15:08.00 | coppermine | no, it does work every minute |
| 15:08.05 | yang | Is there a way for a package to be filed for "adoption" ? |
| 15:08.20 | yang | RFA/RFH |
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| 15:08.27 | hyper_ch | coppermine: just humour me and put full path to the binary |
| 15:08.34 | coppermine | allready done |
| 15:08.39 | coppermine | im waiting for the 10:10am time to come along |
| 15:08.44 | hyper_ch | :) |
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| 15:10.07 | coppermine | didnt work |
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| 15:10.35 | hyper_ch | coppermine: I don't know then... someone more knowledgable has to help |
| 15:10.37 | ElDiabolo | Hi. Do asymetric raid1 configurations (only 1 fast drive) with --write-mostly + --write-behind make sense? Has anybody tested this? |
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| 15:11.18 | hyper_ch | and is it true that Squeeze becomes stable in a week? |
| 15:11.35 | jelly-hme | !rc bugs |
| 15:11.35 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=squeeze&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 15:11.38 | eptalon | ElDiabolo: afaik raid1 will put half on each drive. |
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| 15:11.58 | jelly-hme | eptalon: half of what? |
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| 15:12.29 | eptalon | jelly-hme: A raid1 setup, with two (same capacity) drives, half the data on each drive. |
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| 15:13.16 | jelly-hme | eptalon: oh. Nope, raid 1 is mirroring. |
| 15:13.17 | ElDiabolo | eptalon, no thats raid0 |
| 15:13.50 | eptalon | jelly-hme: 2x 500GB, for a capacity of 500G. |
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| 15:14.46 | eptalon | so "write mostly on one drive, and rarely use the other", do not really make sense, do they? |
| 15:15.15 | eptalon | as every write on one drive will need ot be mirrored to the other. |
| 15:15.30 | ElDiabolo | eptalon, This means: Avoid reading the slow drive. |
| 15:15.53 | cantido | writes should be buffered by the kernels disk cache |
| 15:16.12 | ElDiabolo | eptalon, And write behind means queue writes to the slow drive. |
| 15:17.01 | cantido | ElDiabolo: you probably don't want one really really slow disk in there |
| 15:17.18 | eptalon | ElDiabolo: as for reads, for most cases the faster drive will deliver the data before the slower one, without much config |
| 15:17.30 | cantido | ElDiabolo: I'm not sure .. but I think when the kernel pushes the data to disk it will want to have the data on all drives |
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| 15:18.01 | eptalon | Same goes for buffering the writes... |
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| 15:18.28 | cantido | ElDiabolo: are you doing raid with a sata drive and a floppy drive? |
| 15:19.05 | ElDiabolo | cantido, Actually I am thinking about a raid1 of a hdd and 2 raid0 ssds? |
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| 15:19.09 | yang | Is squeeze going to be released anytime soon now - only 28 bugs concerning the next release... |
| 15:19.43 | ElDiabolo | for a system disk of a desktop. |
| 15:19.44 | cantido | ElDiabolo: raid0 on the SSDs because flash is magically error free? |
| 15:20.06 | ElDiabolo | cantido, No, to get one really fast drive. |
| 15:20.19 | cantido | ElDiabolo: raid1 would be faster |
| 15:20.40 | cantido | just have enough memory that your writes don't need to get flushed straight to disk |
| 15:21.01 | jelly-hme | cantido: that theory doesn't ride out well in practice. |
| 15:21.01 | eptalon | ElDiabolo: Raid10, with 1 fast hdd,and ssd (x2) as raid0 |
| 15:21.27 | cantido | jelly-hme: what theory? |
| 15:21.40 | jelly-hme | cantido: "have enough memory that your writes don't need to get flushed straight to disk" |
| 15:21.51 | jelly-hme | try it some time. |
| 15:22.03 | cantido | jelly-hme: why not? you can configure the kernels tendency to write to disk |
| 15:22.11 | cantido | I have tried it on really slow SSDs |
| 15:22.15 | jelly-hme | try it, I won't say anything more |
| 15:22.22 | cantido | has tried it |
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| 15:22.39 | eptalon | I do have a box here (using regular harddrives, and 8 gb ram); and I don't wait much.. |
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| 15:22.48 | jelly-hme | how did you like your system responsivity when the flush eventually started? |
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| 15:23.30 | cantido | performance is going to suck either way |
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| 15:24.11 | jelly-hme | it sucks in different ways. There's a tradeoff between throughput and latency. |
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| 15:24.41 | ElDiabolo | Can grub2 boot from raid0? |
| 15:25.11 | eptalon | ElDiabolo: I believe so; but its a bad idea. |
| 15:25.31 | eptalon | one drive failure will leave your system unbootable |
| 15:25.48 | jelly-hme | eptalon: that's why he's doing the mirror thing. |
| 15:25.53 | jelly-hme | sheesh |
| 15:26.14 | eptalon | rad0 = stripe, raid1= mirror, iirc. |
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| 15:26.39 | jelly-hme | eptalon: <ElDiabolo> cantido, Actually I am thinking about a raid1 of a hdd and 2 raid0 ssds? |
| 15:27.07 | cantido | jelly-hme: on the desktop at least some applications write when they dont actually need to |
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| 15:28.26 | ElDiabolo | jelly-hme, Yeah, I think I'll try and fall back to a solution that mirrors the system partition with a script from |
| 15:28.32 | ElDiabolo | time to time. |
| 15:28.34 | jelly-hme | ElDiabolo: the question is, can it boot from your raid1(hdd, raid0(sdd, sdd)) setup <g> |
| 15:29.00 | jelly-hme | ElDiabolo: the answer to that is: make a separate raid1-only /boot |
| 15:29.06 | jelly-hme | partition |
| 15:29.08 | eptalon | quesion is also how likely is an ssd to failà |
| 15:29.11 | ElDiabolo | jelly-hme, should be able to boot from the hdd I think. |
| 15:29.39 | cantido | eptalon: look up the mean to between failures for the drive |
| 15:30.23 | jelly-hme | ElDiabolo: what parameters are you trying to satisfy with this setup? |
| 15:31.01 | ElDiabolo | jelly-hme, Playing around to get a fast desktop. Especially quicker boot. |
| 15:31.19 | jelly-hme | 10 second boot? 5 second boot? |
| 15:31.49 | eptalon | ElDiabolo: my system (hdds, raid1, lots of ram), boots in like 1min |
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| 15:32.05 | ElDiabolo | jelly-hme, 15 seconds would be cool. |
| 15:32.07 | jelly-hme | I don't boot my home machine often, just suspend and resume it. |
| 15:32.15 | eptalon | ElDiabolo: and the hdds aren't even fast |
| 15:32.45 | eptalon | jelly-hme: speaking of that, has the usb3-suspend problem been fixed yet? |
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| 15:33.16 | jelly-hme | eptalon: dunno, give me an usb3 host and some devices and I'l look it up |
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| 15:35.02 | xuser | talking about raid, if I do software raid1 in debian, is there way around the OS not booting the boot hdd fails? |
| 15:35.11 | xuser | +if |
| 15:35.13 | eptalon | jelly-hme: xhci_hcd, kernel 2.6.37 (-trunk) |
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| 15:35.46 | xuser | eptalon: you use the kernel from experimental? |
| 15:35.49 | jelly-hme | eptalon: that's software, I asked for hardware! |
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| 15:37.05 | hyper_ch | xuser: you just have to install grub on all of them and make them bootable |
| 15:37.21 | eptalon | jelly-hme: how would I find that? |
| 15:37.25 | hyper_ch | each grub entry showing to it's own disk so it won't matter if another failed I think |
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| 15:39.23 | hyper_ch | xuser: something like step 5 here http://howtoforge.com/set-up-a-fully-encrypted-raid1-lvm-system-p7 |
| 15:39.47 | jelly-home | eptalon: I meant, tongue in cheekily, if you want me to investigate some hardware issue, I'd like to be able to get my hands on that hardware first. |
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| 15:40.33 | eptalon | jelly-home: Oh. :) |
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| 15:42.30 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
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| 15:45.38 | oOarthurOo | Hi... when I turned my computer on this morning, my mouse cursor is jammed hard and fast into the top right corner of the screen. There were no problems last night. I tried disabling the trackpoint and touchpad and just using the mouse, and it's still just stuck up there in the top right. I've tried removing the mouse and just using the trackpoint. Same result. |
| 15:45.54 | oOarthurOo | Hoping someone can help me determine if this is a hardware or software problem |
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| 15:47.27 | oOarthurOo | When I say jammed in the top right, I mean when I move the mouse I can see the cursor struggling to do as I want, but resisting. And when I stop trying to move it out of that corner, it zips back up in the top right snuggly. |
| 15:47.50 | yang | I am getting error at boot "mount: according to mtab sysfs is allready mounted on /sys" - failed" my /etc/fstab entry is visible at http://rula.net/600 |
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| 15:52.10 | xuser | hyper_ch: thanks |
| 15:52.39 | hyper_ch | xuser: my little howto... but as it uses also raid1 it should help you with that :) |
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| 16:03.26 | jelly-home | oOarthurOo: if you restart X do you still have the same symptom? |
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| 16:09.34 | laurus | I am encountering a bug with qemu-kvm. I am unable to resume from suspending without running "sudo rmmod kvm_intel" before suspend. How can I find what the problem is to document it? |
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| 16:18.10 | oOarthurOo | Hi again... just booted into a knoppix live cd and everything works fine, so it's definitely a software problem with my debian install |
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| 16:30.18 | oOarthurOo | My mouse is stuck in the top-right corner of the screen... I could use some help figuring out why and how to make it stop doing that. |
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| 16:51.57 | tuv | what is the best language for json manipulation? |
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| 16:52.27 | ElDiabolo | tuv, javascript? |
| 16:52.48 | jelly-home | tuv: is json basically text? |
| 16:53.05 | tuv | jelly-home: yes. structured text |
| 16:53.12 | jelly-home | perl |
| 16:53.14 | jelly-home | hides |
| 16:53.58 | tuv | jelly-home: it's a standard, so there should be libraries that hide the details |
| 16:53.59 | hyper_ch | JSON -> JavaScript Object Notation... so my guess would also be JS for best manipulation |
| 16:54.40 | tuv | hyper_ch, ElDiabolo: i don't want to learn JS for json. second recommendation? |
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| 16:55.27 | ElDiabolo | tuv, maybe perl |
| 16:55.34 | hyper_ch | php? |
| 16:55.36 | tuv | basically i have a make-run tcl script that generates the data across multiple runs. i want a way to aggregate all the data in one structure |
| 16:56.02 | alexbligh | if debuild runs with a normal Makefile, and does "make install", does it run with fakeroot and in a chroot environment? I am getting "mkdir -p /tftpboot" .. "mkdir: cannot create directory `/tftpboot': Permission denied" |
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| 16:56.34 | tuv | so i thought i'd pipe the tcl script output to a json-capable script that consolidates the data in one json file |
| 16:56.52 | tuv | does that make sense? |
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| 17:00.12 | ElDiabolo | tuv, most languages should have some json library. Seems tcl has one too. |
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| 17:04.32 | tuv | ElDiabolo: tcl's is very limited. just a parser, unless you know something i don't |
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| 17:08.09 | rue_house | why might debians default dhcp client config not be giving the dhcp server sname data? |
| 17:09.01 | rue_house | do I have to have a wins server record for it to work? |
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| 17:19.07 | rue_house | OK I JUST installed this machine, it comes with 'rsyslogd' the manual is syslog-ng |
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| 17:19.29 | rue_house | should I be using a different package to set up a central logging server? |
| 17:19.44 | tuv | what's wrong with rsyslogd |
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| 17:20.00 | rue_house | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Setting-Up-a-Central-Syslog-Server-44063.shtml |
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| 17:20.07 | rue_house | it has no -r flag from what I can tell |
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| 17:20.45 | rue_house | the manual dosn't seem to be for it either |
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| 17:20.54 | rue_house | unelss rsyslog = syslog-ng |
| 17:21.41 | rue_house | I want to set up central logging I need it working by tommorow evening |
| 17:21.46 | rue_house | this isn't helping |
| 17:21.47 | jelly-home | rsyslog is not syslog-ng, but they are similarly capable |
| 17:22.02 | jelly-home | use whichever you're more comfortable with |
| 17:22.12 | rue_house | ok why is the supplied manual for syslog-ng when syslog-ng isn't what was installed? |
| 17:22.29 | jelly-home | rue_house: what "supplied manual"? |
| 17:22.31 | rue_house | I dont care what I use, I want to know how to set it up :) |
| 17:23.07 | rue_house | the manual for rsyslog WAS NOT INSTALLED with the package, instead only syslog-ng man pages exist, |
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| 17:23.15 | rue_house | I think this is a package bug |
| 17:23.19 | stew | rue_house: install the rsyslog-doc package |
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| 17:24.09 | rue_house | its installed, man rsyslog still says there isn't a manual |
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| 17:24.21 | rue_house | Setting up rsyslog-doc (3.18.6-4) ... |
| 17:24.21 | rue_house | woodfall:/etc# man rsyslog |
| 17:24.21 | rue_house | No manual entry for rsyslog |
| 17:24.33 | jelly-home | rue_house: inspect the contents of rsyslog-doc package. dpkg -L packagename |
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| 17:24.44 | llutz | man rsyslogd |
| 17:24.54 | llutz | man rsyslog.conf |
| 17:25.07 | rue_house | yup, hmm |
| 17:25.47 | rue_house | wonder if I can find a howto on setting it up for central logging.... |
| 17:26.32 | jelly-home | visit the upstream web site, it's not that bad |
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| 17:29.50 | rue_house | hmm I cant find what turns reception of logs from other machines on and off |
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| 17:31.48 | rue_house | hmm, can you help me find the switch for listening for inbound connections? |
| 17:32.09 | rue_house | I'm all over the page but getting nowhere fast |
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| 17:32.42 | thewanderer1 | rue_house: see the rsyslog home page, it has lots of tutorials |
| 17:32.45 | rue_house | I see a lot about sending logs, I want to recieve them |
| 17:33.07 | rue_house | yea I'm looking all over that site, I see nothing about configuring an inbound log server |
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| 17:34.31 | jelly-home | rue_house: look at the /etc/rsyslog.conf file contents. See if you can find the commented-out configuration bits which enable a listening UDP socket |
| 17:34.43 | thewanderer1 | rue_house: http://www.rsyslog.com/receiving-messages-from-a-remote-system/ |
| 17:35.34 | rue_house | !!thankyou! |
| 17:35.43 | jelly-home | it really does not seem like rocket science |
| 17:35.54 | rue_house | I just couldn't find it |
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| 17:37.53 | jelly-home | yeah, the site seems a bit of a mess |
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| 17:46.23 | bit0 | hello, has epiphany-browser a javascript console?, thanks in advance |
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| 18:04.21 | fbs | im doing a fsck on a unmouted lvm |
| 18:04.41 | fbs | but it shows no progress after 20mins |
| 18:04.46 | fbs | still at pass1 |
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| 18:05.05 | fbs | its a 700G partition, the 150G was instant |
| 18:08.42 | thewanderer1 | depends on the filesystem, LVM is almost irrelevant |
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| 18:09.30 | fbs | both ext4 |
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| 18:10.13 | thewanderer1 | guys, how can I access /usr which was mounted before I mounted something over it? |
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| 18:10.27 | thewanderer1 | that is, look "under" the mount point |
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| 18:11.26 | wald0 | can i see the MAC of somebody that is connected using netstat ? |
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| 18:12.12 | thewanderer1 | wald0: no, netstat operates in layer 3 |
| 18:12.25 | wald0 | thewanderer1: what i can use for that ? |
| 18:12.50 | thewanderer1 | wald0: call `arp` without arguments to see what MAC is assigned to what IPv4 address in the ARP cache |
| 18:13.10 | thewanderer1 | is the MAC address in the same subnet (on the same switch) as you? |
| 18:13.39 | wald0 | thewanderer1: actually yes, but i want to do tests outside too |
| 18:13.57 | thewanderer1 | wald0: you know, MAC addresses are not preserved in routing |
| 18:14.13 | thewanderer1 | that is, frames from outside will always have the MAC address of the router as the source |
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| 18:14.25 | thewanderer1 | (that's how routing works...) |
| 18:15.08 | wald0 | i see, thx |
| 18:16.56 | fbs | oh, it looks like a forced fsck at boot works |
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| 19:00.01 | jhutchins_lt | What reasons do people have for using ext4 instead of ext3? |
| 19:00.57 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: You can access the original /usr by unmounting what's mounted there. |
| 19:01.14 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: 4 > 3 |
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| 19:01.40 | jelly-home | it's better suited for huge filesystems |
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| 19:02.05 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: yes... the system was running live :P |
| 19:02.10 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: I'd pretty much expected that to be the primary reason (4>3). |
| 19:02.11 | thewanderer1 | I solved that by running `umount -l` ... |
| 19:02.50 | jelly-home | dunno, ext4 might be reasonably stable by now |
| 19:02.56 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: I do understand it's advantages, but I wonder who uses it for them, and how many because 4>3. |
| 19:03.13 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: if RHEL is shipping and supporting it, it must be good enough |
| 19:03.30 | jhutchins_lt | Riiiiiiiiiiiight. |
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| 19:04.01 | jelly-home | I said that without irony. |
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| 19:17.55 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: I've learned to be highly suspicious of 4>3. Sure, it's probably good and stable enough to be worth the risks of running it if you need it's abilities. What I don't see are any good reasons to run it for the average desktop. |
| 19:18.43 | jhutchins_lt | In that context, where none of the new features are relevant, I know of no good reason to run it and a few reasons not to. |
| 19:18.44 | jelly-home | faster fsck |
| 19:19.00 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: desktop users can produce bug reports that can be useful for the server usage? |
| 19:19.01 | jhutchins_lt | On a 40G disk who's largest file is under 3G? |
| 19:19.15 | jordanm | I have personally seen ext3 subdirectory limitations hit, among other things |
| 19:19.40 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: yes, it's still nicer to only wait 30 seconds instead of waiting 5 minutes for the fsck to finish |
| 19:19.43 | jordanm | 40G... is it 2003? |
| 19:19.54 | jelly-home | my / is 20G |
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| 19:20.10 | jelly-home | (so is /var and /home ;-) |
| 19:20.14 | jhutchins_lt | I've seen subtree limits hit, though it may have actually been on NT, but it's an indication that the filesystem is deeper and more complex than it should be. The structure needs to be rethought rather than just upping the limit. |
| 19:20.44 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: its tough telling a customer that |
| 19:20.48 | jelly-home | I'll up my limit if I can. Up yours! |
| 19:20.56 | jordanm | (which I have had to do) |
| 19:21.22 | jordanm | the limit is 31998 sub directories in a single directory |
| 19:21.30 | jelly-home | not 32767? |
| 19:21.41 | jordanm | not according to wikipedia |
| 19:21.58 | jelly-home | can't be bothered to test |
| 19:22.04 | jhutchins_lt | How in the world do you realistically need 30k deep directories? |
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| 19:22.14 | jhutchins_lt | Certainly not on a civil desktop. |
| 19:22.15 | jeeves_moss | how do I enable CONFIG_TASK_DELAY_ACCT in IOTOP? |
| 19:22.24 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: it's not the depth, it's the breadth limit |
| 19:22.25 | jhutchins_lt | How can a human manage a system that complex? |
| 19:22.37 | jhutchins_lt | Oh, right. |
| 19:22.44 | jhutchins_lt | Still, same point. |
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| 19:23.17 | jhutchins_lt | Yes, there are situations where that breadth of data is conceivable - but it should probably be subdivided among different servers anyway. |
| 19:23.20 | jelly-home | jeeves_moss: that looks like a kernel configuration option? |
| 19:23.45 | jhutchins_lt | Possibly a compilation option? |
| 19:24.03 | jeeves_moss | jelly-home, it looks like it. I'm assuming that I need to recompile the kernel to make it work |
| 19:24.21 | jelly-home | judd: kconfig TASK_DELAY_ACCT |
| 19:24.23 | judd | Searching for 'TASK_DELAY_ACCT' in lenny kernel config gives TASK_DELAY_ACCT=y. |
| 19:24.32 | jelly-home | jeeves_moss: it's already there. |
| 19:24.48 | jeeves_moss | jelly-home, ok, how do I enable it then? |
| 19:24.49 | jhutchins_lt | In any case, that was really my question: are you using ext4 because you need greater directory limits, for large volumes, for large files, or because 4>3? |
| 19:24.50 | jelly-home | ... that is, IF you're using the distro kernel |
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| 19:25.29 | jelly-home | jeeves_moss: let's step back for a second. What are you trying to make work / what is currently failing? |
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| 19:26.12 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: I'm using it for fsck times and 4>3 and some performance improvements. |
| 19:26.30 | jelly-home | that's on a desktop. On a server, I'm not using it. |
| 19:26.45 | jeeves_moss | jelly-home, I'm trying to get IOTOP to show each process hitting the disk (it's on the server), and currently, it's only showing the totals for read/write. and accross the bottom, it says "CONFIG_TASK_DELAY_ACCT not enabled in kernel, cannot determine SWAPIN and IO %" |
| 19:27.03 | jelly-home | jeeves_moss: uname -r? |
| 19:28.21 | jelly-home | prefers atop |
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| 19:28.36 | jeeves_moss | 2.6.32-26-generic |
| 19:28.53 | jordanm | dondelelcaro: someone break the "kernels" command? |
| 19:28.54 | jelly-home | jeeves_moss: that's not a Debian kernel. Where did you get it from? |
| 19:29.10 | jeeves_moss | <hangs head in shame> it's a Ubuntu box |
| 19:29.41 | jelly-home | jeeves_moss: if you can reproduce the issue in Debian, feel free to come back and ask about it again |
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| 19:29.51 | jeeves_moss | lol |
| 19:29.55 | jeeves_moss | jelly-home, thanks again? |
| 19:30.07 | jelly-home | not much help, eh |
| 19:30.15 | jeeves_moss | can't say so. |
| 19:30.31 | jeeves_moss | I'm killin' time 'till I have to go to T. |
| 19:31.07 | jelly-home | kill it in #ubuntu or ##linux or get a kernel with CONFIG_TASK_DELAY_ACCT=y |
| 19:31.40 | jeeves_moss | thanks, |
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| 19:32.03 | jelly-home | if it's a server, there's an #ubuntu-server as well I think |
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| 19:33.55 | thewanderer1 | omg, how to stop PulseAudio? |
| 19:34.06 | thewanderer1 | I have it installed and it keeps respawning in KDE endlessly... |
| 19:34.18 | jordanm | aptitude remove pulseaudio |
| 19:34.25 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: aptitide purge pulseaudio |
| 19:34.42 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: no, not from the system... I just want to turn it off on my user's account |
| 19:34.45 | thewanderer1 | temporarily |
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| 19:35.12 | thewanderer1 | just because some apps in chroot can't connect to sockets outside the chroot, so I have to use ALSA for the time being |
| 19:35.16 | hyper_ch | thewanderer1: killall pulseaudio = |
| 19:35.18 | hyper_ch | ? |
| 19:35.33 | jordanm | thewanderer1: invoke-rc.d pulseaudio stop |
| 19:35.38 | jordanm | hyper_ch: use pkill instead |
| 19:35.58 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: it's not a system-wide instance, but a user instance - default Debian config |
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| 19:36.13 | thewanderer1 | no matter how much I kill it, it always respawns... :( |
| 19:36.29 | jordanm | thewanderer1: I am not sure that you can stop it on a per user basis. is there a pulseaudio proc specifically for that user? |
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| 19:36.58 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: I have a few pulseaudio processes owned by my UID, yes |
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| 19:37.24 | stu_ | hm, sorry i'm not sure if the message got through, something to do with registering nicks. |
| 19:37.39 | thewanderer1 | I don't know what launches PulseAudio, though... |
| 19:37.52 | stu_ | but does anybody have problems with blogspots editor in firefox in debian? like the cursor isn't "accurate", if i wanna delete a few characters, it deletes the ones next to it, etc. |
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| 19:40.39 | hyper_ch | thewanderer1: for your help, something to lighten up your day http://gizmodo.com/5746639/perform-the-kama-sutra-with-your-laptop |
| 19:40.48 | jhutchins_lt | stu_: What version of firefox? |
| 19:41.07 | thewanderer1 | hyper_ch: it's friggin broken, I burnt the display :( |
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| 19:41.19 | hyper_ch | oh noes :( |
| 19:41.23 | hyper_ch | you get an ipad now? |
| 19:41.33 | stu_ | jhutchins_lt: 3.6.13 |
| 19:41.41 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions iceweasel |
| 19:41.43 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-4~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.16-4; squeeze: 3.5.16-4; experimental: 3.6.13-2 |
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| 19:42.37 | stu_ | does that mean i'll need to downgrade |
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| 19:43.37 | jhutchins_lt | Dunno. That kind of thing tends to be java-ish anyway, so browser might be irrelevant. |
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| 19:44.28 | stu_ | hm. maybe it's just blogspot |
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| 19:46.28 | simonrvn | it's javascript there, no java involved there |
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| 19:51.13 | mr_chris | I just installed squeeze with the rc2 installer. I want to run the testing branch. I know that squeeze is currently the testing branch but is there something I need to add to my sources.list file (http://pastebin.com/4TFiMKru) so I'm always on testing after squeeze is released? |
| 19:52.07 | jordanm | mr_chris: its generally not a good idea because of the time right after the squeeze release. it is recommended to change squeeze to wheezy sometime after the squeeze release |
| 19:52.43 | jordanm | otherwise... sed -i 's/squeeze/testing/g' /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:53.12 | jelly-home | !spank jordanm |
| 19:53.13 | dpkg | bends jordanm over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 19:53.49 | jelly-home | general principles... I'm aware that's exactly what the mr_chris wanted |
| 19:53.59 | mr_chris | jordanm: Thanks. Could you please explain a bit more why it's not a good idea? Will I also receive a mighty spanking if I were to rely your reasoning? |
| 19:54.13 | mr_chris | s/rely/relay |
| 19:54.49 | jordanm | mr_chris: after the freeze all the blocked packages from sid will migrate, which has some potential for system breakage |
| 19:54.52 | jelly-home | testing will become a rather hectic place after the release |
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| 19:55.18 | jordanm | more potential than the other sid -> testing migrations |
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| 19:55.39 | jordanm | I think that I was being spanked for using sed -i |
| 19:56.05 | mr_chris | Understood. So I'm clear, wait a bit (a few weeks/months?) until after the release then change it to wheezy? |
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| 19:56.17 | Bushmills | probably because that's a GNU sed extension, and not POSIX |
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| 19:56.39 | jordanm | Bushmills: yes, but its being called on /etc/apt/sources.list is this case |
| 19:56.58 | Bushmills | so if it works for you, don't care what others say |
| 19:57.07 | jordanm | I have a feeling that file will not-exist, or not serve the same purpose on a non-GNU system |
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| 19:57.52 | Bushmills | but some would still suggest to preferable redirect sed output to a second file, and mv that one after completion |
| 19:57.53 | jordanm | I like my GNU-only extensions... especially for find :) |
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| 19:58.22 | jelly-home | nah, it was for testing |
| 19:58.35 | jelly-home | sed -i is a-ok |
| 19:58.37 | Bushmills | i too think that's a good thing to do, only replace file after successful completion of creation |
| 19:58.47 | jelly-home | but perl -pi -e is da best |
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| 19:59.00 | mr_chris | I'd have backed the file up anyways. |
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| 20:14.16 | courpse | !repos etch |
| 20:14.18 | courpse | :/ |
| 20:14.26 | courpse | Was hoping there was a rtigger for that. |
| 20:14.37 | courpse | Anyone got a list of repos for etch? |
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| 20:16.37 | Arrowmaster | etch was moved to the archives |
| 20:16.43 | Arrowmaster | !archive |
| 20:16.43 | dpkg | it has been said that archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 20:16.48 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 20:17.17 | Arrowmaster | http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 20:18.08 | Arrowmaster | http://archive.debian.org/debian/README for more specific info on how to use |
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| 20:19.50 | courpse | thanks Arrowmaster. |
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| 20:42.14 | Tordek | hi |
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| 20:42.48 | Tordek | I want to migrate system to LVM. besides /home, what should be my main backup concern? |
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| 20:45.13 | DanDare | Docs says that we should use a2ensite and a2dissite do add or remove virtualhosts in apache2 for Debian. Can I simply add virtualhosts in the main apache2.conf file ? |
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| 20:45.56 | stu_ | hm not sure if my previous msg got through again. but how'd i change my default windows manager without having to click fluxbox everytime i login |
| 20:46.00 | jhutchins_lt | DanDare: Sure, but that kinda breaks the system. |
| 20:46.35 | DanDare | jhutchins_lt, ok. |
| 20:46.42 | jhutchins_lt | All the current setup does is include files in that directory |
| 20:46.43 | Tordek | stu_: kdm, gdm? I have kdm and it remembers the last WM I used |
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| 20:47.15 | mr_chris | I understand that increasing my VM dirty writeback time could cause my disk to wake up less frequently for background VM activity. What is VM activity? What is dirty writeback time? Will this matter with a solid state disk? |
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| 20:52.30 | saivert | DanDare: just create a file with your virtual host config directives in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ preferrably named after the domain name (example.com) then activate the config with a2ensite example.com |
| 20:53.49 | saivert | I'm sitting through the Exim4 debian documentation now.. |
| 20:54.04 | DanDare | saivert, allright. Im just attempting some tests... Testing if the order of vhosts sections on conf file alter some behaviour |
| 20:54.39 | saivert | I want to use a smarthost but still retain local mail functionality like mailing stuff to "root" or any other local user without it getting sendt via the smarthost. just local delivery to their mboxes for local users |
| 20:55.07 | jhutchins_lt | DanDare: a2ensite just symlinks available to enabled, which I did manually ('cause I didn't know there was a tool). |
| 20:55.16 | saivert | currently if using mail to send mail to "root" (no domain name) I get a mail transfer error sendt to my real email account |
| 20:55.22 | saivert | which is not what I want |
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| 20:55.55 | jhutchins_lt | saivert: What mailer? What release? |
| 20:56.12 | saivert | Exim4 in Debian lenny. "mail" program as mailer |
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| 20:56.30 | DanDare | jhutchins_lt, its ok... Im just bit confused about virtualhosts after reading this http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/name-based.html |
| 20:56.42 | delby | hi. i have a usb stick with a live system on it. it was created as a read only file system. does that protect it from malware? |
| 20:56.42 | DanDare | the "Main host goes away" section |
| 20:58.05 | saivert | just that you don't setup any stuff in the main httpd.conf file for your website (like documentroot etc) |
| 20:58.05 | DanDare | jhutchins_lt, it says there "List this virtual host first in the configuration file so that it will act as the default host." but how i put it first on config file if vhosts are just symlinks ? |
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| 20:58.39 | DanDare | httpd.conf in here is a empty file |
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| 20:58.58 | saivert | so you need one inital "default" virtual host config that can be a catch-all (anything not matched by the other virtual host configs) |
| 20:59.04 | saivert | yes because Debian uses apache2.conf |
| 20:59.29 | saivert | httpd.conf is then included by apache2.conf |
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| 20:59.43 | jhutchins_lt | DanDare: Yeah, it's confusing, some of the docs assume a single file. Just remember that essentially all of the enabled conf files are concatenated. |
| 20:59.46 | DanDare | saivert, so the best is have the first vhost in apache2.conf than on /etc/apache2/sites-enabled ? Is this the correct interpretation ? |
| 21:00.07 | jhutchins_lt | DanDare: I don't know why httpd.conf isn't a symlink, possibly that would cause it to be read twice. |
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| 21:00.23 | saivert | nope.. just leave apache2.conf be. don't edit it directly unless you really have to. debian's apache2 package should already setup a default virtual-host for you |
| 21:00.28 | DanDare | jhutchins_lt, true.. its because Debian "way" is different than the oficial apache2 docs |
| 21:00.38 | saivert | $nano /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 21:00.45 | jhutchins_lt | DanDare: I think you want the default host configured in apache2.conf and then repeated in a vhost conf. |
| 21:00.49 | saivert | at least that is how it is on my Debian Lenny box |
| 21:01.02 | DanDare | saivert, allright.. Im ust check this from some fresh install so... this paache in here is already too messed |
| 21:01.32 | DanDare | so better is leave default vhost untouch, just editing something you like in the conf file |
| 21:01.56 | saivert | IMO if a webserver provides virtual-host support it should not have any non-virtual-host based configuration for websites |
| 21:02.11 | saivert | seems like Debian tries to make it that way by default in their package of Apache2 |
| 21:02.18 | DanDare | nice |
| 21:02.23 | Diytto | Heu |
| 21:02.25 | Diytto | Hey* |
| 21:02.46 | Diytto | Can someone tell me how to mount a drive on the host disk |
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| 21:02.54 | saivert | define host disk |
| 21:03.01 | Diytto | Does that make sense? Lol |
| 21:03.24 | DanDare | Diytto, using 'mount' command ? |
| 21:03.25 | saivert | by default you have some volume mounted to / |
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| 21:03.29 | Diytto | Okay i have a install on a windows machine and need to mount the disk |
| 21:03.30 | saivert | which you can mount any other volume under |
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| 21:03.45 | Diytto | Well how do i use mount? |
| 21:03.56 | saivert | unless you run a virtual machine here |
| 21:04.03 | DanDare | Diytto, are you on linux prompt ? |
| 21:04.03 | saivert | and mean host as in the host OS |
| 21:04.30 | Diytto | 1 sec |
| 21:05.12 | jhutchins_lt | Diytto: Are you trying to make the windows partition accessible from Linux? |
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| 21:05.24 | saivert | anyways http://www.fs-driver.org/ for mounting ext2, ext3 filesystems on Windows |
| 21:05.29 | Diytto | Yes |
| 21:05.37 | saivert | I'm just shotgunning here |
| 21:05.41 | saivert | see if I hit something |
| 21:06.04 | saivert | And I'm supposed to take tech support calls at work now |
| 21:06.05 | saivert | oh boy |
| 21:06.10 | Diytto | :p |
| 21:07.09 | DanDare | Diytto, this is some interesting stuff about mouting drives on linux: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html & http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/mounting.html |
| 21:07.25 | Diytto | Aha i got it |
| 21:07.27 | Diytto | :D |
| 21:07.41 | DanDare | Diytto, i asked if you in the prompt as you can take a look how /etc/fstab looks like |
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| 21:08.22 | DanDare | Diytto, you will must learn some text editing software, for a painless start you can use 'joe', do the command: 'apt-get install joe' |
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| 21:08.35 | Diytto | Ah |
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| 21:08.48 | Diytto | I know nano |
| 21:08.50 | Diytto | And some vi |
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| 21:09.56 | DanDare | Diytto, so no need to joe |
| 21:10.02 | MasseR | I'm trying to use a huawei e220 (or similar) on lenny. The wiki says ttyUSB{0,1,2,3} should appear after inserting the device. No such tty's appear |
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| 21:10.20 | DanDare | Diytto, read that links about mount and fstab, ask in here something you want |
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| 21:10.55 | Diytto | K |
| 21:10.57 | DanDare | Diytto, are you willing about mounting NTFS drives ? |
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| 21:11.56 | jhutchins_lt | MasseR: What do you see in dmesg? |
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| 21:12.03 | jhutchins_lt | MasseR: Which release & kernel? |
| 21:12.18 | MasseR | 2.6.26-2 |
| 21:12.35 | MasseR | Not sure about the release (my first debian install) |
| 21:12.52 | jhutchins_lt | That would be the stock lenny (5.0.x) kernel. |
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| 21:13.18 | jhutchins_lt | MasseR: dmesg | tail -10 and see if it noticed that you plugged it in. |
| 21:13.22 | MasseR | dmesg doesn't mention a thing about gsm (unlike my ubuntu box) |
| 21:13.34 | MasseR | It mounts the sd-drive |
| 21:13.43 | jhutchins_lt | Oh, that's one of those euro-cell modems isn't it? |
| 21:13.53 | MasseR | Yes |
| 21:13.55 | jhutchins_lt | !huawei |
| 21:13.55 | dpkg | [3g] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3G -- the third generation of mobile phone standards and technology. If you have a 3G modem, you may wish to see http://www.pharscape.org/Linux-and-3G.html to get it working on Linux. http://wiki.debian.org/Modem/3G . See also <usb_modeswitch>. |
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| 21:17.15 | saivert | you need zerocd blocker in case it mounts as a virtual CDROM device (with windows drivers) |
| 21:17.33 | andycc | Good evening, I've got a problem with apt-get: whenever I try to use it, it reads package lists up to 95% and then displays the message "Killed" and quits. I'm actually running Knoppix off a live USB, on a 500Mhz/64MB system (but with 128MB of swap), in text mode. I only have the stable/main and stable/updates repositories active, and yes, I can update. But I can't install anything because of this... |
| 21:17.41 | MasseR | saivert: For me? |
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| 21:18.15 | saivert | yes |
| 21:18.39 | DanDare | andycc, maybe theres no free space left on the USB key ? |
| 21:19.07 | andycc | DanDare: df -h shows 1.8GB available |
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| 21:19.38 | andycc | DanDare: and 348MB of the persistent save available. |
| 21:20.01 | DanDare | andycc, it does even on small packages you try to install alone ? |
| 21:20.01 | saivert | back to my Exim4 config.. I'm currently using "mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail" |
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| 21:20.53 | andycc | DanDare: I tried installing just twm. Anyway, I get this even when updating, when it reaches the "reading package lists" stage. |
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| 21:21.13 | nadar | hi |
| 21:21.34 | nadar | how can i disable alt+shift toggling the keyboard language? |
| 21:21.48 | nadar | i am running a debian sid, LXDE |
| 21:22.02 | saivert | there is also "mail sent by smarthost; no local mail". it says root will still receive mail (sent by system f.ex) so I guess I can just go with that |
| 21:22.11 | DanDare | andycc, it ends up with "segmentation fault" error message prior to "killed" ? |
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| 21:22.28 | andycc | DanDare: nope, just "killed". |
| 21:22.29 | Hazuki | Is it common for SSH to be stupid slow? |
| 21:22.47 | Arrowmaster | MasseR: yeah there are a few different packages i think that will correct those usb devices that show as either a cdrom or removable storage with windows drivers on them |
| 21:23.04 | Hazuki | I set UseDNS no and GSSAPIAuthentication to no in ssh_config. My nameservers are correct. |
| 21:23.06 | DanDare | Hazuki, no... unless youre accessin some host trough some stupid slow internet connection or something |
| 21:23.16 | MasseR | Arrowmaster: Really? It works fine on my other computer and also as a usb mass storage device |
| 21:23.21 | Hazuki | home cable to business cable |
| 21:23.22 | andycc | nadar: should be "keyboard layouts" somewhere in the preferences menus. Then you go to the "layouts" tab, advanced options (I think) and "key sequence to change layout". |
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| 21:23.49 | Hazuki | is at the end of her rope and seems to hav exhausted Google |
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| 21:23.56 | DanDare | Hazuki, maybe host there under heavy load.. SSH links are OK if netwrok is OK |
| 21:24.16 | Hazuki | load is very light. and I have iptables rules blocking almost all traffic |
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| 21:24.29 | Hazuki | this same setup under Arch was very quick |
| 21:24.55 | Arrowmaster | MasseR: ah finally found one of them, usb-modeswitch |
| 21:25.02 | DanDare | Hazuki, im sure problem isnt distro in this case |
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| 21:25.18 | Hazuki | Yeah, the issue must be with my installation |
| 21:25.52 | saivert | okay.. just ran dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config.. lets try to send mail to root now |
| 21:26.21 | nadar | andycc, there is no menu alike. i use lxde, which is very simple. if there is a config file to edit, i would dislike to install a complete gnome or even kde to do that ;) |
| 21:26.38 | DanDare | Hazuki, you have apache or any internet service there? try testing other stuff than not SSH to spot if problem is really just with SSH |
| 21:26.49 | Hazuki | i do have apache going' |
| 21:26.55 | Hazuki | how do I test if that's "slow" too? |
| 21:27.25 | DanDare | Hazuki, set some apache server, put some huge file and try to download from there e.g. |
| 21:27.36 | Hazuki | hm, okay |
| 21:27.45 | Hazuki | if I use dd to make a blank 100 MB image file maybe |
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| 21:27.50 | DanDare | if you got stupid slow speed.. so problem may be not ssh itself |
| 21:27.51 | Hazuki | harmless, and I can download |
| 21:28.04 | DanDare | Hazuki, yeah, anything |
| 21:28.25 | Hazuki | each keystroke takes seconds to register :D |
| 21:28.31 | Hazuki | bangs head on desk |
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| 21:29.07 | DanDare | Hazuki, tried closing the actual session and opening other fresh one? (i suggest you do your work using 'screen' there !) |
| 21:29.19 | Hazuki | yes, I' |
| 21:29.23 | Hazuki | 've rebooted a lot |
| 21:29.41 | Hazuki | I put UseDNS no in sshd_config, GSSAPIAuthentication no in ssh_config... |
| 21:29.44 | MasseR | Arrowmaster: Lenny doesn't have modeswitch |
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| 21:29.57 | Arrowmaster | ive had that happen connecting to home system over cable, ssh laggy but using it to tunnel network traffic worked fine |
| 21:29.58 | andycc | nadar: take a look at http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=481 |
| 21:29.59 | jargon- | what do i install in order to be able to code with pyqt? |
| 21:30.16 | andycc | nadar: (second post) |
| 21:30.19 | Arrowmaster | MasseR: well squeeze is coming out soon |
| 21:30.40 | Hazuki | I get ~100Kib/s download from the server |
| 21:30.44 | Hazuki | apache |
| 21:30.48 | Hazuki | KiB* |
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| 21:31.38 | DanDare | Hazuki, weird... im not expert in sshd_conf maybe you setup something there? have no clue .... |
| 21:31.50 | Hazuki | hates this ;-; |
| 21:31.58 | Hazuki | I was in that damn office until 12:30 AM last night |
| 21:32.17 | MasseR | Arrowmaster: So I should upgrade? |
| 21:32.21 | DanDare | Hazuki, do you edited sshd conf file right? try starting over a sample, default conf file |
| 21:32.32 | Hazuki | okay...how? |
| 21:32.39 | Hazuki | (I had this problem WITH the defaults) |
| 21:33.04 | andycc | Hazuki: take a look at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSH (you said it worked in Arch, right?) |
| 21:33.37 | Hazuki | yes' |
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| 21:33.58 | Hazuki | i tried the ssh with -v and it wasn't using GSS...just rsa and password |
| 21:34.03 | nadar | andycc, thanks, seems to be a closeguess. i have been googling for debian only :) (though i had a look at HAL, but at the wrong place) |
| 21:34.11 | DanDare | Hazuki, im not sure. This is pretty default for Debian: http://pastebin.com/n941CPJG |
| 21:35.00 | nadar | grr, the file mentioned there doesnt exist here |
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| 21:39.49 | Hazuki | http://pastebin.com/Gu77XRUW |
| 21:39.54 | Hazuki | this is what I get using -vv |
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| 21:40.16 | arosen | Hello what do i need to install to get /lib/modules/<kernel>/build? |
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| 21:41.28 | Hazuki | I notice it tries publickey and that doesn't work, so it goes into password... |
| 21:41.38 | Hazuki | but would that explain the slowness even after connection? |
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| 21:42.15 | DanDare | arosen, take a look what is the current kernel & architecture your OS is using doing: 'uname -a' |
| 21:42.16 | arosen | nvm got it |
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| 21:47.25 | nadar | andycc, solved the problem. it was dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration. after installing linux the default was a quite crude one... |
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| 21:48.42 | andycc | nadar: glad you found it out, I might need that later. |
| 21:49.34 | nadar | andycc, if dpkg-reconfigure --all wouldn't crash at cron i am sure i had found it quite earlier |
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| 21:50.43 | robokop | hmm, my entropy_avail seems to be always under 200, would that be a problem? |
| 21:50.50 | nadar | (but you wouldn't have seen the problem and it's solution :) ) |
| 21:52.13 | Hazuki | Aaaaaaaagh! It's still so slow! I only have password authentication enabled |
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| 21:52.27 | Hazuki | something must be wrong with the install |
| 21:52.54 | DanDare | Hazuki, well... try dpkg-reconfigure |
| 21:53.32 | Hazuki | fair enough |
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| 21:53.37 | DanDare | Hazuki, sure isnt some "client side" problem ? |
| 21:53.46 | Hazuki | i can't imagine what |
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| 21:54.27 | Hazuki | dpkg-reconfigure what, openssl-server? |
| 21:54.29 | Arrowmaster | how fast are the client and server cpus? ssh can be a little bursty on cpu usage |
| 21:54.30 | Hazuki | ssh* |
| 21:54.52 | Hazuki | 2.2 GHz Celeron E1500 here. 2.93 GHz Core i3 530 on the server |
| 21:55.19 | Hazuki | all that dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server did was restart sshd |
| 21:56.56 | Hazuki | is it because there's no /etc/default/locale? I did a debootstrap install and aptitude moaned about no set locale |
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| 21:57.50 | DanDare | Hazuki, setup locale there besides anything... who knows ? |
| 21:58.06 | Hazuki | okay, how? I'm new to debian |
| 21:58.10 | Hazuki | dpkg-reconfigure glibc? |
| 21:58.18 | DanDare | dpkg-reconfigure locale |
| 21:58.35 | DanDare | *dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 21:58.58 | Hazuki | locales not installed |
| 21:59.05 | DanDare | wow |
| 21:59.16 | DanDare | 'apt-get install locales' then |
| 21:59.31 | andycc | (re-post:) I've got a problem with apt-get (and aptitude, too): whenever I try to use it, it reads package lists up to 95% and then displays the message "Killed" and quits. I'm actually running Knoppix off a live USB, on a 500Mhz/64MB system (but with 128MB of swap), in text mode. I only have the stable/main and stable/updates repositories active, and yes, I can update. But I can't install anything because of this... |
| 22:00.06 | nadar | is there a way to work around this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=596369 |
| 22:00.20 | nadar | since i'd like to do dpkg-reconfigure --al |
| 22:00.22 | nadar | l |
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| 22:01.05 | DanDare | Hazuki, you need to logout SSH and log again otherwise locales session is not updated |
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| 22:02.09 | DanDare | *session locale |
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| 22:03.02 | DanDare | session charset may be the correct term |
| 22:03.08 | DanDare | not sure :p |
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| 22:03.26 | Hazuki | DanDare: I rebooted after configuring locales |
| 22:03.30 | Hazuki | waiting for it to come up again |
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| 22:03.51 | Hazuki | is under a curse: "hard" distros like Gentoo and Arch are easy for her and Ubuntu and CentOS elave her stumped |
| 22:03.57 | Hazuki | leave* |
| 22:04.29 | pipeline | Hazuki is under a curse, she discusses offtopic subjects in the third person. |
| 22:04.46 | Hazuki | eat me with custard =P |
| 22:04.47 | Arrowmaster | Hazuki: i had to fight with a fedora13 system on thursday, i didnt find it fun at all |
| 22:05.02 | Hazuki | Eesh, yeah, that sounds like no fun at all @_@ |
| 22:05.06 | nadar | doesn't like fedora, 2 |
| 22:05.27 | Arrowmaster | couldnt even get the damn time to sync with ntp |
| 22:05.33 | Hazuki | ugh...still as slow as ever |
| 22:05.41 | robokop | i like hats |
| 22:06.10 | DanDare | Arrowmaster, are you trying sync ntp on some virtualized system ? |
| 22:06.33 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 22:07.20 | DanDare | Arrowmaster, are you using ntpdate ? |
| 22:07.50 | Arrowmaster | this is extremely offtopic |
| 22:08.15 | DanDare | ah righ, ntp is working on Debian |
| 22:08.52 | Arrowmaster | if you really want to know my troubles with it ill tell you in #debian-offtopic |
| 22:09.48 | DanDare | No thanks |
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| 22:10.36 | DanDare | You fooled me with your offtopic action |
| 22:11.19 | DanDare | but maybe there are other more interesting troubles there |
| 22:11.29 | t3a | hello, i am having a problem with disk management |
| 22:11.32 | t3a | i am looking at gparted and see 3 partitions, boot, unallocated and a third 930gb partiton for everything else |
| 22:11.35 | t3a | i get a message saying im running low on disk space and i check and my home folder is 97% full at around 200gb and / is full at 200gb |
| 22:11.39 | t3a | where did the other 600gb go? |
| 22:12.30 | Vasistha | t3a: how much space does df report? |
| 22:13.33 | nadar | t3a, try xdiskusage |
| 22:13.40 | Vasistha | t3a: and btw I don't recall you mentioning that there were separate root and home partitions |
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| 22:13.58 | t3a | sorry, yes, there are |
| 22:14.03 | robokop | t3a: any change you are using lvm? |
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| 22:14.43 | t3a | here is the df report http://pastie.org/1510079 |
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| 22:15.58 | Vasistha | t3a: uhm, df says that home has 200K not 200M |
| 22:16.05 | nadar | ^^ |
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| 22:16.42 | t3a | when did i say 200m? |
| 22:16.45 | Vasistha | although it is very strange that size=900G and Used=854G and Avail=200K I would think it ought to have Avail=46G |
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| 22:17.15 | t3a | its an encrypted volume if that makes a difference |
| 22:17.18 | robokop | home has used 854G, and perhasp the rest is root reserved |
| 22:17.37 | Vasistha | ah yes, that makes sense, root would reserve 5-10% or something |
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| 22:18.04 | Vasistha | ...with drives that big, it doesn't make sense for root to reserve by percentage anymore I guess, but oh well |
| 22:18.13 | t3a | there is no way i am using 850gb |
| 22:18.46 | Vasistha | t3a: hmm, well then your next step... you're not using kde, are you? If not then I guess xdiskusage, but kde has a nicer version |
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| 22:19.02 | t3a | im using the default gname |
| 22:19.02 | nadar | Vasistha, one can lower that reserve with tune2fs -m 0.5 /dev/$device |
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| 22:19.05 | t3a | *gnome |
| 22:19.21 | robokop | t3a: du -sh /home |
| 22:19.24 | t3a | im in xdiskusage |
| 22:19.31 | t3a | oh ok |
| 22:19.32 | Bushmills | du | sort -n |
| 22:19.40 | robokop | and see which user is using your disk |
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| 22:19.56 | robokop | t3a: du -sh /home/* |
| 22:20.06 | t3a | it says 854G/home |
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| 22:21.12 | Vasistha | t3a: what do you see in xdiskusage? it may take some time to calculate and lay itself out, you might have to wait some time for it. But then it should show you where the space is being used, bigger rectangles have bigger files/directories |
| 22:21.14 | robokop | t3a: sorry forgot the * |
| 22:21.50 | robokop | Vasistha: if he uses du it is easier pastable |
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| 22:22.25 | Vasistha | robokop: that's true, but if he uses xdiskusage or konqueror's FSView he can probably figure it out himself :) |
| 22:23.01 | Strife89 | attempts to install Debian on an old iBook G3 (PPC of course). |
| 22:23.12 | t3a | when i du -sh /home/* it says . has 894659960 which is weird because that is 850mb not gb isnt it? |
| 22:23.40 | Vasistha | t3a: the number is in kb |
| 22:23.41 | nadar | t3a, -h tells a humane readable number |
| 22:23.48 | t3a | oh |
| 22:24.26 | t3a | its looking like i actually am using that much space |
| 22:24.29 | Strife89 | The CD-ROM drive sounds like it's well beyond its years. :/ |
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| 22:24.45 | Vasistha | I wish the kde team would release a general-purpose fsview that's not just a konqueror plugin. FSView is so much better than anything else I've seen. http://www.easylinux.de/Artikel/ausgabe/2004/12/010-windows-ersetzen/fsview_konq.png |
| 22:24.51 | lapsusbrutus | im # 1000 :D |
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| 22:25.12 | t3a | but in the file browser it says /home is 27gb |
| 22:25.29 | Bushmills | baobab, gdmap |
| 22:25.42 | t3a | oh but it also says some contents unreadable |
| 22:25.43 | Vasistha | t3a: that count probably doesn't include files in subdirectories |
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| 22:26.09 | lapsusbrutus | guys, Ive tried to install debian 1386 on 5 different computers. The ones that seems older than 5 years crash when I press install button.. anyone know how to fix this? |
| 22:26.11 | nadar | t3a, xdiskusage did not help you? |
| 22:26.31 | lapsusbrutus | the squeeze version. Lenny installs fine |
| 22:26.33 | Vasistha | lapsusbrutus: 1386 do you mean i386? |
| 22:26.37 | t3a | 1.0 TB Hard Disk: 1000 GB Unrecognized is what my harddrive is labeled, is that a problem? |
| 22:26.43 | lapsusbrutus | typo sorry :) |
| 22:26.45 | nadar | t3a, you should the biggest blocks to see whats in there |
| 22:26.56 | Bushmills | lapsusbrutus: i installed squeeze on my 10 year old box recently without any problems |
| 22:27.14 | andycc | lapsusbrutus: so install Lenny, then upgrade to Squeeze. Or is that impossible for some reason? |
| 22:27.17 | t3a | ya, its wine |
| 22:27.22 | Vasistha | lapsusbrutus: I recently installed squeeze + xfce on an old laptop from 1997, it's working fine |
| 22:28.25 | Vasistha | lapsusbrutus: btw did you do an md5sum to verify the downloaded cd image, and check the integrity of the data written to the cd as well? |
| 22:28.55 | lapsusbrutus | i tried a xeon(32bit), a old compaq, and a old dell All respond the same. And with various cds. and from different downloads |
| 22:29.56 | Vasistha | lapsusbrutus: uhm, I think xeon is a different architecture, I don't think you can install i386 on that ... someone correct me if I'm wrong? |
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| 22:30.48 | lapsusbrutus | looks like its something with video drivers that cant handle the debian squeeze install cd.. The "Expert install" is the only choice I can go for without crash |
| 22:31.27 | robokop | xeon isn't a dif arch |
| 22:31.35 | lapsusbrutus | Vasistha, well this is a really old xeon and it worked with lenny i386. amd64 doesnt work at least.. IA64 either |
| 22:31.48 | Vasistha | lapsusbrutus: ah, my mistake |
| 22:32.18 | lapsusbrutus | Vasistha: Thought if was different arch my self.. and tried everything but the i386 :p |
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| 22:33.23 | t3a | WHAT? .xsession-errors size 802GB |
| 22:33.36 | nadar | :) |
| 22:33.41 | nadar | compress them |
| 22:33.51 | nadar | should be 90% smaller then |
| 22:33.56 | t3a | is that even possible? |
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| 22:33.58 | nadar | runs |
| 22:34.31 | tharkun | trips nadar |
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| 22:34.51 | robokop | t3a: .xsession-errors, what a nice place to hide your pr0nstash |
| 22:35.01 | t3a | dohoho |
| 22:35.09 | t3a | why would it be so big though |
| 22:35.09 | nadar | t3a, just have a look in some of them |
| 22:35.18 | nadar | ... |
| 22:35.19 | tharkun | t3a: delete it and monitor your de |
| 22:35.28 | nvz | this is a silly curiousity, but is there something I could use to display a pty (i.e. xterm) via http for viewing purposes only? |
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| 22:35.57 | t3a | but how in the world could a file that logs my desktop get so big? |
| 22:36.06 | t3a | *desktop environment |
| 22:36.11 | nadar | t3a, have a look into it! |
| 22:36.44 | t3a | sorry, but what do i use? a plaintext editor? |
| 22:36.49 | tharkun | t3a: tail .xsession-errors |
| 22:36.55 | nadar | grep, sed, awk, less |
| 22:37.07 | nadar | or head ;) |
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| 22:37.45 | t3a | http://pastie.org/1510118 |
| 22:37.52 | tharkun | bets tail will give a more relevant hint on who is responsable |
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| 22:38.27 | nadar | somteimes i use a long tail and | head to see something from in between |
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| 22:40.41 | t3a | it looks like its a bunch of pidgin logs if the tail is supposed to be a hint |
| 22:41.02 | robokop | t3a: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=594378 <-- perhaps your problem |
| 22:42.13 | t3a | do you think updating pidgin would help |
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| 22:43.26 | nadar | all your system should be up-to-date |
| 22:43.51 | tharkun | t3a: erase the file and be done |
| 22:44.12 | t3a | ok |
| 22:44.28 | t3a | im gonna erase the file, then purge pidgin and reinstall pidgin |
| 22:44.39 | t3a | just in case it was some setting in pidgin |
| 22:44.41 | tharkun | upgrade pidgin |
| 22:44.51 | robokop | don't think you have to purge pidgin |
| 22:45.01 | Arrowmaster | purging wont effect your settings |
| 22:45.15 | tharkun | or get a real irc ckient |
| 22:45.25 | robokop | looks like you don't wanna have pidgin running while suspending |
| 22:45.36 | t3a | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.45 | robokop | irsii ftw |
| 22:45.51 | tharkun | yes |
| 22:45.54 | t3a | wait |
| 22:46.12 | robokop | especially in combination with bitlbee |
| 22:46.20 | tharkun | and screen |
| 22:46.21 | t3a | nevermind, i use xchat though, pidgin is for aim and msn |
| 22:46.26 | Lanther | I have one gripe with bitlbee |
| 22:46.44 | t3a | any alternatives for aim/msn guys? |
| 22:46.45 | Lanther | you can't change your nick |
| 22:46.52 | Lanther | t3a: bitlbee does that |
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| 22:47.09 | lapsusbrutus | there are some issues with the squeeze install cd i think. Does not work on all computers. On a handful testmachinest the only choice in install menu that works without crashing is "Expert install". One of the ones that fails on: Compaq Deskpro EN Pentium III |
| 22:47.51 | t3a | whoa when was there an upgrade update? |
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| 22:48.32 | robokop | Lanther: set <account>/<nick> |
| 22:49.48 | Lanther | robokop: :O |
| 22:49.51 | Lanther | thanks! |
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| 22:52.58 | jhutchins_lt | t3a: No trouble with pidgin on kde4/squeeze here. |
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| 22:56.00 | mr_chris | I'm trying to use wpa_supplicant for the first time. My drivers are installed properly, wpa_supplicant and wireless-tools are installed. My wireless network is configured as WPA2 Personal with TKIP/AES encryption. I'm having trouble connecting. Here's /etc/network/interfaces http://pastebin.com/FKRi1u2i |
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| 23:04.08 | jhutchins_lt | mr_chris: Symptoms? Logs? |
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| 23:14.02 | jhutchins_lt | On konversation in squeeze, how do you display the nic count for a channel? |
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| 23:18.36 | Vasistha | jhutchins_lt: #konversation almost definitely knows |
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| 23:21.33 | jhutchins_lt | Vasistha: Settings/Show Status Bar |
| 23:22.09 | jhutchins_lt | I have several configuration windows that are taller than 786 pixels and cut off the bottom. |
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| 23:26.01 | Makuew | Whats the easiest command to run for a screen for a specific user? su -c screen -fa -d -m application ? |
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| 23:30.42 | Vasistha | Makuew: whatever it is, you'll probably need to put everything after su -c in quotes, e.g. I usually use su -c 'screen -D -R' |
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| 23:34.51 | Vasistha_ | Makuew: whatever it is, you'll probably need to put everything after su -c in quotes, e.g. I usually use su -c 'screen -D -R' |
| 23:35.29 | mr_chris | jhutchins_lt: One moment. Trying to gather them. |
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| 23:36.16 | Makuew | I see |
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| 23:37.28 | Vasistha | Makuew: if you don't want root, then I guess su -c 'screen -with -options' username |
| 23:37.39 | mr_chris | jhutchins_lt: I have "Failed to initiate AP scan." in syslog when trying to bring the interface up. |
| 23:37.59 | Makuew | Vasistha: yeah, thanks |
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| 23:39.13 | Vasistha | mr_chris: one of the things you can do is run /sbin/iwconfig to check access point association -- this can really help troubleshooting |
| 23:40.03 | mr_chris | Vasistha: Here's the output of iwconfig for that interface. http://pastebin.com/tECviHwS |
| 23:40.43 | Vasistha | mr_chris: fyi, iirc, AP association does not give any indication as to wpa authentication -- you might be associated with an AP but not yet authenticated. |
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| 23:41.21 | Vasistha | mr_chris: I'm not sure if you're interested in this sort of suggestion, but I ultimately abandoned the CLI setup in favor of wicd, which "just works" a whole lot more of the time |
| 23:42.09 | Vasistha | mr_chris: if you want to stick with CLI then I think iwlist can show a list of APs |
| 23:42.14 | mr_chris | Vasistha: I could go that route. I've used it before and it is very easy. I'm just trying to learn how to go the mostly console route this time around. |
| 23:43.01 | mr_chris | Iwlist does return the networks around me so I know my card is working. |
| 23:43.11 | mr_chris | Would my ssid being hidden cause problems? |
| 23:43.41 | Vasistha | it really shouldn't, you ought to be able to associate with the network by specifying the ... uh ... address ... what's it called |
| 23:43.44 | Vasistha | mac address |
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| 23:44.18 | Tordek | I want to migrate system to LVM. besides /home, what should be my main backup concern? |
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| 23:44.21 | mac- | Vasistha: for what you need my address ? :P |
| 23:44.38 | Vasistha | mac-: I am going to send you junk mail! |
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| 23:44.47 | mac- | brilliant! |
| 23:44.51 | mac- | :) |
| 23:44.57 | Vasistha | heh |
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| 23:45.17 | Vasistha | Tordek: /etc /root and perhaps parts of /var |
| 23:45.33 | Vasistha | Tordek: ... /boot ... /usr/local perhaps? |
| 23:45.45 | mr_chris | Vasistha: That was the problem. The ssid was not being broadcasted and wpa_supplicant didn't like it. |
| 23:46.00 | Vasistha | mr_chris: really! how lame :P |
| 23:46.01 | mr_chris | I turned broadcasting back on and it worked a treat. |
| 23:46.22 | mr_chris | Vasistha: Thanks for the assist. |
| 23:46.53 | Vasistha | mr_chris: I don't suppose you were using the incorrect syntax for instructing it to identify by mac address rather than essid? |
| 23:47.01 | Vasistha | probably not, it's probably just lame. |
| 23:47.28 | mr_chris | I didn't try to get it to connect via mac address. I need to look that up. |
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| 23:48.34 | Tordek | Vasistha: hmm... anything particular from /var and /usr/local you'd think of? |
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| 23:49.46 | Tordek | also, is there a way to export/reimport a list of installed packages (or, well, a better option) |
| 23:50.04 | Vasistha | Tordek: is there anything at all in /usr/local? find /usr/local ! -type d |
| 23:50.04 | Vasistha | Tordek: that space is, like, for you to put whatever you want |
| 23:50.04 | Vasistha | Tordek: yeah, dpkg --get-selections |
| 23:50.20 | mentor | How do I increase the output precision in bc? |
| 23:51.12 | Vasistha | Tordek: and then dpkg --set-selections iirc |
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| 23:53.09 | Tordek | thanks, Vasistha :) |
| 23:53.27 | Vasistha | mentor: try scale=3; your+expression |
| 23:54.17 | Vasistha | mr_chris: yeah, if you hide the essid then you can't connect that way, you have to connect to it by mac address |
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| 23:54.50 | mentor | Argghhhh |
| 23:55.23 | mentor | Of course, changing ibase and obase changes the way the how the number you are setting obase and ibase with are interpreted |
| 23:56.16 | mr_chris | Vasistha: I'm guessing I'll need to make a wpa_supplicant.conf file for this. |
| 23:56.45 | Vasistha | well... yeah... |
| 23:56.45 | Vasistha | wait |
| 23:56.45 | Vasistha | it does |
| 23:56.45 | Vasistha | oh, that's annoying |
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| 23:57.36 | Vasistha | serious?? debhelper, you are lame on that one. |
| 23:57.38 | mentor | Vasistha: obase == ibase == 10 means I'm in hexadecimal :P |
| 23:58.22 | mentor | subtracts 7 from every byte and has his password back |
| 23:58.36 | mentor | I'm a little unconvinced with this encryption function |
| 23:58.47 | mentor | Even if it is only an obfuscation exercise. |
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| 23:59.31 | Vasistha | mentor: maybe specify obase before ibase :) |
| 23:59.41 | mr_chris | Vasistha: I think that connecting to a hidden essid via name may be possible. This addresses it. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/WPA_supplicant It says to add "scan_ssid=1" to your network block. |
| 23:59.49 | mentor | Vasistha: Indeed :) |
