| 00:00.28 | Bushmills | nameless`: it is a login shell, which disallows logins but permits scp/sftp connection |
| 00:00.34 | KaffeeJunky123 | apart from that I've a problem with file:/// not invoking nautilus, had that already in lenny and fixed it but I can't remember how |
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| 00:00.48 | nameless` | Bushmills: will it works for ssh tunnelling ? |
| 00:00.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | The places menu does not work properly because of this |
| 00:01.18 | Bushmills | i don't think so |
| 00:01.37 | jhutchins_lt | KaffeeJunky123: That sounds like a pretty stupid bug that could be addressed in packaging. |
| 00:01.46 | jhutchins_lt | KaffeeJunky123: It's a mimetype thing. |
| 00:01.59 | KaffeeJunky123 | yes I darkly remember something |
| 00:02.48 | nameless` | Bushmills: my primary concern is about tunnelling, will it work if i set the login shell to /usr/sbin/nologin ? |
| 00:03.04 | Bushmills | i don't think so |
| 00:03.13 | Bushmills | look at openvpn |
| 00:03.23 | nameless` | yep, i know this program |
| 00:03.47 | nameless` | i was just wondering if i can do it easily with a single command line :) |
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| 00:11.19 | KaffeeJunky123 | jhutchins_lt: do you remember the solution? I can't find a thing about it :/ |
| 00:15.25 | jhutchins_lt | KaffeeJunky123: The only thing I ever do with gnome is delete as much of it as I can. |
| 00:15.51 | KaffeeJunky123 | that's not a nice thing to do with the gnome :< |
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| 00:20.27 | RichiH | is there any undelete tool for vfat which retains file names or at least directory structure? |
| 00:22.44 | jhutchins_lt | RichiH: Linux is kinda light on undelete tools. |
| 00:24.42 | streuner | an old *nix tradition? |
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| 00:25.01 | jhutchins_lt | Dunno, just never been much of them around. |
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| 00:26.12 | streuner | RichiH: its an USB-Stick, isnt it? |
| 00:27.25 | streuner | RichiH, dosfstools comes to mind, dunno if that helps |
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| 00:34.44 | sam113101 | I can't get sound from my speakers, but I know that they are not the problem |
| 00:35.27 | krisfremen | alsamixer unmuted? |
| 00:35.38 | krisfremen | levels set to normal? |
| 00:35.42 | sam113101 | how do I know if it's muted |
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| 00:35.54 | sam113101 | levels ? |
| 00:36.05 | krisfremen | below the levels there should be letters OO or MM |
| 00:36.24 | sam113101 | OO |
| 00:37.03 | sam113101 | it's written OO |
| 00:37.38 | tpocra | I created a RAID-6 array last night with mdadm using metadata version 1.2 and apparently mdadm cannot auto-assemble this array, or rather it doesn't by default and did not when I rebooted. Is the best way to have it create the md device and assemble the array every boot in mdadm.conf? |
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| 00:38.07 | flaccid | yeah modprobe.d blacklist pcspkr certainly did not do the trick |
| 00:38.21 | sam113101 | so how do I fix the sound |
| 00:38.30 | flaccid | i notice config-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem has CONFIG_PCSPKR_PLATFORM=y and CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR=m |
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| 00:45.41 | konr | I'm trying to connect to the interweb using my wlan, but everytime I type a correct ESSID, it turns to "off/any", which apparently makes dhclient unable to connect. How to fix that, guys? |
| 00:45.46 | RichiH | jhutchins_lt: yah, i know |
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| 00:45.52 | RichiH | streuner: dd image |
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| 00:49.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | flaccid, does this stuff use an initrd it could be loaded from? |
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| 00:49.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | makes me wonder why, though... |
| 00:50.10 | flaccid | it uses the standard initrd/kernels e.g. initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686-big |
| 00:50.15 | streuner | konr: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse - if its not a special driver you are using |
| 00:50.24 | flaccid | * initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem |
| 00:50.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | you might /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs |
| 00:50.57 | nanok | konr: which network card? |
| 00:50.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... if it's loaded from initrd |
| 00:51.39 | flaccid | thats a weird requirement |
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| 00:53.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... then that should tell you how to blacklist |
| 00:54.40 | flaccid | yeah which i did, but this reload is not mentioned anywhere in docs, but fair enough i will add to build process |
| 00:55.34 | flaccid | chroot "$DEBOOTSTRAP_TARGET_DIR" dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-"$(uname -r)" |
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| 00:59.34 | flaccid | what does the =m mean in this config-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem ? |
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| 01:00.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | urgh, fbreader default font in squeeze has no serifs?! |
| 01:00.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf |
| 01:00.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | module? |
| 01:00.51 | flaccid | i don't know, thats why i am asking.. |
| 01:00.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | what do you have to do with this file if you don't know? |
| 01:01.18 | flaccid | disabling pcspkr and learning |
| 01:01.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | that file is only for informational purposes unless you compile your own kernel |
| 01:01.57 | flaccid | right, the its obviously compiled in. so blacklisting appears useless |
| 01:02.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | if we're talking about /boot/config* |
| 01:02.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, it's not, it's a module |
| 01:02.25 | flaccid | on, /boot/config-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem |
| 01:02.44 | flaccid | its a module and it has =y and -m in this file. blacklisting does nothing |
| 01:03.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course blacklisting does something, it's specifically for dealing with the loading of kernel modules... or more precisely with the cessation thereof |
| 01:03.58 | flaccid | blacklisting pcspkr still loads pcspkr. |
| 01:04.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | blacklisting won't unload a module that's already loaded |
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| 01:04.57 | flaccid | i am making in image. it has never booted before. |
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| 01:07.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's why you have to do the blacklist-initramfs stuff for things loaded before / is mounted... |
| 01:07.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, is this lenny? |
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| 01:08.53 | tpocra | I created a RAID-6 array last night with mdadm using metadata version 1.2 and apparently mdadm cannot auto-assemble this array, or rather it doesn't by default and did not when I rebooted. Is the best way to have it create the md device and assemble the array every boot in mdadm.conf? |
| 01:09.01 | flaccid | yeah thats what i though, because the error occurs before root mount |
| 01:09.09 | tpocra | or should I use fdisk to change the partition type from "Linux" to md raid autodetect? |
| 01:09.16 | flaccid | so blacklisting is useless |
| 01:09.21 | flaccid | and this is before mounting / |
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| 01:09.32 | flaccid | still think that file is not used.. heh |
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| 01:10.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, it's not if you do the reconfigure which'll recreate the initramfs... |
| 01:10.43 | flaccid | ok, i will re-build |
| 01:11.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway need to get up in 5 hours... g'night |
| 01:11.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | and good luck :) |
| 01:11.29 | flaccid | thanks y0 |
| 01:11.45 | flaccid | hmm is dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-* valid? i have two kernels |
| 01:11.58 | flaccid | seems not |
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| 01:14.14 | sam113101 | I can't get sound from my speakers, but I know that they are not the problem |
| 01:15.38 | DEAD_BEEF | sam113101, did you just install? |
| 01:16.07 | sam113101 | no |
| 01:16.14 | sam113101 | but it never worked |
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| 01:18.16 | tpocra | Is there a better way to auto-assemble my RAID-6 array other than sticking mdadm --assemble /dev/md2 /dev/sd[cdefghijklmn] in my /etc/rc.local? |
| 01:19.57 | pocoyo | hi, all. My viedo card is ATI Xpress 200M and my system is debian squeeze, i want to use compiz , how can i install the hardware driver? I know Ubuntu 10.04 can do that? But my squeeze cannot do ? any tips? |
| 01:21.12 | Bop | pocoyo, get ati catalyst from ati website |
| 01:21.15 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 01:23.16 | pocoyo | Bop: sorry, ati website only support this card ait....9.3.run . But the 9.3 cannot support xorg 7.5 ? |
| 01:23.29 | robin_sz | so, this is more general *nix ... normally, to position the cursor at begining of a line, I press ^a .. but when in screen .. that dont work .. how do you pos the cursor to line start when in a screen ? |
| 01:23.52 | Bop | pocoyo, im using at latest xorg , 1.7.7 |
| 01:23.55 | tpocra | pocoyo: please paste the output of the command: "lspci | grep ATI" |
| 01:24.24 | pocoyo | Bop: dpkg -l | grep xorg ii xorg 1:7.5+8 |
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| 01:24.32 | tpocra | pocoyo: I would not recommend the proprietary ATI drivers from amd.com |
| 01:24.48 | Bop | pocoyo, squeeze is more advanced than that |
| 01:25.12 | robin_sz | has lots of bother with lenny, dual head and ATI |
| 01:25.24 | robin_sz | and no squeeeeeze backports for xork yet |
| 01:25.34 | pocoyo | tpocra: yeah , i want to use the opensource drivers. and the proprietary driver cannot discard the card . |
| 01:25.49 | tpocra | pocoyo: Please past the output of the command I asked you to run |
| 01:26.09 | pocoyo | tpocra: wait for a moment , please. |
| 01:27.08 | pocoyo | tpocra: http://paste.debian.net/100410/ |
| 01:28.35 | robin_sz | heh, past 410 for an R410 card .. must be karma |
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| 01:30.18 | tpocra | pocoyo: Do not use proprietary Catalyst drivers for that card |
| 01:30.20 | tpocra | Use the radeon driver |
| 01:30.25 | pocoyo | robin_sz: Could you explain that , please? |
| 01:30.34 | robin_sz | what? |
| 01:30.44 | tpocra | You can get full 2-D and 3-D acceleration with the classic Mesa r300 radeon driver |
| 01:31.00 | tpocra | You can even get acceleration with the new Gallium3D r300g driver |
| 01:31.07 | tpocra | But either way, use the radeon driver |
| 01:31.24 | pocoyo | tpocra: Sorry . glxinfo | grep rend direct rendering: Yes OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R300 (RS400 5A62) 20090101 x86/MMX/SSE2 NO-TCLi |
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| 01:31.49 | robin_sz | oh that ... you have a R410 radeon and you got paste number 100410 ... lucky coincidence thats all |
| 01:31.55 | pocoyo | tpocra: But i can't use the full 3D acceleration.. |
| 01:32.08 | tpocra | pocoyo: Ask in #radeon |
| 01:32.09 | pocoyo | robin_sz: o.o |
| 01:32.16 | pocoyo | tpocra: thx! |
| 01:32.25 | tpocra | No problem. |
| 01:33.05 | robin_sz | I'd just like multihead to work on my radeon, but not managed it on lenny yet, looks like I need a backport of xorg |
| 01:33.23 | robin_sz | or move onto squeeeeeze |
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| 01:35.27 | tpocra | robin_sz: 2 monitors works great on my Radeon HD4670 |
| 01:35.34 | tpocra | Err, oh, you are still on lenny? |
| 01:35.42 | joshsmith | nvm, I figured it out |
| 01:35.42 | robin_sz | yeah |
| 01:36.15 | tpocra | I have sid and run a 1920x1080 projector via HDMI and 1920x1200 LCD panel on DVI and manage them with xrandr |
| 01:36.27 | tpocra | It works great with acceleration even using the radeon driver |
| 01:37.03 | robin_sz | sid ... |
| 01:37.10 | robin_sz | thats err unstable? |
| 01:37.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | yeah |
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| 01:37.42 | robin_sz | yeah, it needs xorg radeon 1.6.13+ for dual head |
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| 01:38.39 | pocoyo | tpocra: <tpocra> You can even get acceleration with the new Gallium3D r300g driver . how i use the driver . i google to gallium3d , indeed someone use it . |
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| 01:39.31 | tpocra | pocoyo: I do not know, my card is 7th generation so I use the r600 driver |
| 01:39.37 | tpocra | r600g is not ready yet like r300g is |
| 01:39.45 | tpocra | So I do not have experience with gallium3D yet |
| 01:39.52 | tpocra | People in #radeon can help I am sure |
| 01:40.31 | tpocra | It is probably a matter of intsalling new X.Org and Mesa and radeon driver packages |
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| 01:42.40 | robin_sz | hmm |
| 01:43.25 | robin_sz | dist-upgrade syas 1800mb ... bit of a long haul to get dual head |
| 01:43.55 | tpocra | robin_sz: There will be plenty of other improvements beyond dual-head =P |
| 01:43.57 | abrotman | have to do it sooner or later |
| 01:44.09 | tpocra | Oh goodie guru friend! |
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| 01:44.32 | robin_sz | mmm, i suppose I ought to back up and read the release notes |
| 01:44.35 | tpocra | abrotman: Do you know what the best method of auto-assembly for an mdadm-managed array is? I have versionn 1.2 md metadata |
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| 01:44.58 | tpocra | I am wondering if there is a better way other than sticking mdadm --assemble /dev/md2 /dev/sd[cdefghijklmn] in my /etc/rc.local? |
| 01:45.04 | abrotman | not that i know of |
| 01:45.26 | tpocra | I don't see a problem with the rc.local method, I might use that. |
| 01:45.28 | abrotman | shouldn't it happen magically ? |
| 01:45.33 | robin_sz | i suspect just chnaging lenny to squeeze in sources and doing a dist-upgrade might be enough though |
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| 01:46.53 | robin_sz | so, if I change lenny to squeeze in sources, and apt-get update && apt-get update .. that only says 350mb ... is a dist-upgrade different? (well, it muis be I guess0 |
| 01:47.43 | abrotman | !tell robin_sz about lenny->squeeze |
| 01:47.49 | abrotman | that's not exactly how it works |
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| 01:49.47 | robin_sz | close enough |
| 01:50.13 | abrotman | not really |
| 01:50.14 | robin_sz | nadily I already have a 2.6.32 kernel from backports |
| 01:51.09 | robin_sz | and I did the uuid's in fstab thing a while back too |
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| 01:52.24 | robin_sz | maybe I'll back up first ;) |
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| 01:56.32 | mycae | Hi, quick q. I recently updated aptitude, now it has a "fancy" display, where elements are removed from the output (eg progress bars) |
| 01:56.50 | mycae | is there a way to disable this? I am getting an error message from aptitude but it disappears so fast I can't read it |
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| 01:56.55 | robin_sz | I laways get so excited about dist upgrades .. I alwayss seem to imagine that It will reboot and be wildly amazing .. liek the screens will magically turn into 3D projections liek the screens in Avatar ... im always disappointe dby reallity |
| 01:57.10 | mycae | I tried -q, but it didn't work |
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| 01:58.50 | benedikt | i use rsnapshot for backup and since i moved the backups to another disk, the disk has been filling up. rsnapshot uses hard links, ive checked a few files and they have the same inode number wherever i check. could 'df' somehow been fooled or how can i verify that the hard links are indeed working? |
| 01:59.10 | Tekk_ | hey is the next release named yet? |
| 01:59.59 | Tekk_ | I think it's wheezy but that may have been a dream, I wanna make sure :P |
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| 02:01.05 | benedikt | Tekk_: protip: check wikipedia. :) |
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| 02:01.55 | jhutchins_lt | ook kay, and with the sickening sound of steel grounding against steel, the webserver comes to a halt. |
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| 02:08.14 | Tekk_ | y |
| 02:08.15 | Tekk_ | ty* |
| 02:08.21 | Tekk_ | vnc can lag a bit :P |
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| 02:13.46 | ries | Hello! For an application I have been maintaining people ask me to make a PPA, is such a thing hard to make and can I do this all on my server? |
| 02:14.13 | abrotman | ries: ask #ubuntu, Debian doesn't have PPA |
| 02:14.16 | flaccid | ries: thats an ubuntu thing with launchpad.net |
| 02:14.35 | rww | #launchpad would probably be better. |
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| 02:15.04 | ries | abrotman: flaccid thanks.. you see, I don't know what am am talking about (or get into for that matter...) |
| 02:15.18 | flaccid | and you don't need a ppa to create or host a package and/or repos :) |
| 02:15.57 | flaccid | you can also get free vcs hosting at sites such as github.com |
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| 02:16.33 | rww | (and for PPAs specifically, https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA ) |
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| 02:17.35 | un214 | oh well |
| 02:17.44 | un214 | I never could get the hand of debian source packages anyway |
| 02:18.13 | un214 | s/hand/hang |
| 02:18.28 | flaccid | un214: revise the debian maintainers guide |
| 02:18.31 | flaccid | *new |
| 02:18.47 | un214 | if I couldn't get the hang of it how could I revise the guide? |
| 02:19.04 | flaccid | persistence |
| 02:19.24 | un214 | I did have a project I was working on that would compile to debian binary packages |
| 02:19.55 | un214 | but the source was a .tar.gz and make package spit out a .deb |
| 02:20.00 | rww | un214: I suspect flaccid's using the definition of "revise" that means to study, not to change |
| 02:20.04 | simonrvn | 'review' perhaps |
| 02:20.10 | un214 | ah |
| 02:20.15 | flaccid | 'rtfm' |
| 02:20.22 | un214 | I did |
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| 02:20.34 | flaccid | un214: there is #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 02:20.50 | un214 | that's ok I've nothing to do right now anyway |
| 02:21.02 | un214 | I was trying to repackage sysvinit for ubuntu |
| 02:21.10 | flaccid | lol |
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| 02:21.21 | un214 | you find that funny flaccid? |
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| 02:21.28 | flaccid | yes |
| 02:21.44 | rww | I do. My solution to upstart was to move to Debian, personally ;P |
| 02:21.50 | un214 | as was mine |
| 02:22.06 | un214 | I found out after getting sysvinit back on that too much depended on upstart |
| 02:22.09 | flaccid | upstart is async |
| 02:22.30 | un214 | yeah and I found out that some stuff depended on bootscripts starting before others finished |
| 02:22.57 | un214 | so no sync order could exist |
| 02:23.05 | un214 | so I left |
| 02:23.18 | flaccid | afaics there is already sysv packages available, http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=sysv&searchon=names&suite=maverick§ion=all |
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| 02:24.22 | un214 | those packages didn't do what I needed |
| 02:24.26 | un214 | upstart actually had to go |
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| 02:24.36 | un214 | too unstable |
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| 02:24.47 | flaccid | i don't know what you need |
| 02:25.14 | un214 | one instance of fsck running on drives mounted read-write is enough to decide something is fundamentally wrong |
| 02:25.31 | ddalton | hi im having some trouble connecting to wpa2 enterprise networks, using my asus eeepc netbook with atheros Ar9285 wifi |
| 02:25.31 | un214 | [I was trying to fix some other bug and this was the consequence] |
| 02:25.42 | un214 | such a mistake shouldn't be so easy |
| 02:25.45 | ddalton | i read there are problems with device driver on the internet, is this likely the case? |
| 02:25.56 | flaccid | there is something called a root cause |
| 02:26.29 | un214 | there is also something called design so dangerous things are obviously prevented |
| 02:26.32 | rww | goes with 'six-month release cycle causing QA problems' |
| 02:26.53 | un214 | such as not mounting filesystems read-write until all fscks finish |
| 02:26.54 | flaccid | i only hear assumptions so far |
| 02:27.18 | flaccid | there is probably a reason for that and generally fsck is first |
| 02:28.12 | flaccid | actually what am i doing feeding an ubuntu person heh |
| 02:28.44 | un214 | it mounts each partition read-write as its fsck finishes |
| 02:28.56 | un214 | by a fragile mechanism that is tied in with plymouth |
| 02:29.07 | flaccid | sounds good |
| 02:29.09 | un214 | and plymouth was broken very badly |
| 02:29.24 | flaccid | plymouth does suck though |
| 02:29.48 | flaccid | if you are in #debian, why don't you switch, otherwise you might like to try #ubuntu |
| 02:29.52 | un214 | yeah it does, and the circular reference between plymouth, upstart, and mountall was trouble |
| 02:29.56 | un214 | flaccid: I already did |
| 02:30.13 | flaccid | then there is no reason to port anything to ubuntu |
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| 02:30.39 | un214 | you asked |
| 02:31.01 | un214 | that is what I was up to until I decided it was easier to switch |
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| 02:33.50 | Tekk_ | is there something like wall/write that like opens an xterm with the menu too if you're in X? |
| 02:33.59 | flaccid | sorry got you mixed up with some other user |
| 02:34.03 | Tekk_ | s/menu/message/ |
| 02:34.10 | DEAD_BEEF | cd TMM |
| 02:34.11 | DEAD_BEEF | ls |
| 02:34.22 | DEAD_BEEF | whoops |
| 02:34.41 | un214 | I sure wish |
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| 03:09.53 | srte | Hi, what is more "normal way" to start a xterm, with loginshell or not? thx |
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| 03:14.54 | un214 | I tend to use non-login shell |
| 03:15.02 | un214 | the login initialization happened long before |
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| 03:15.59 | konr | cd /tmp |
| 03:16.00 | konr | oops |
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| 03:16.13 | srte | so it's better to not use login shell then? |
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| 03:21.20 | un214 | well is your login initialization safe to run twice? |
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| 03:33.52 | LinuxNIT | is there a tool like ntfsclone for ext3 that will image a fs but only copy the part with data not every block like dd? |
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| 03:36.19 | mainer | try partimage |
| 03:36.23 | LinuxNIT | thanks |
| 03:37.35 | mainer | http://www.partimage.org/Main_Page <<theres some info here |
| 03:37.58 | LinuxNIT | thanks mainer |
| 03:38.19 | mainer | its in the repos |
| 03:38.30 | LinuxNIT | just installed and lookking at the man page |
| 03:38.32 | LinuxNIT | :) |
| 03:38.41 | mainer | cool :) |
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| 04:23.43 | Intensity | I get "mirror does not support the specified release (squeeze)" when using primary mirror http://ftp.us.debian.org in both the kFreeBSD-i386 and (Linux-)i386 installs. |
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| 04:36.16 | karlpinc | !mirrors |
| 04:36.16 | dpkg | well, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
| 04:36.23 | karlpinc | Intensity: Try a specific mirror. |
| 04:36.56 | karlpinc | Does iceweasel resume an interrupted http download automatically or does that take a plugin? |
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| 04:41.08 | Intensity | karlpinc: I've tried several mirrors now and I get the same effect. I came across one user on the web who got the same response. I had picked a primary mirror too (ftp.us.debian.org). (Do you mean for me to be more specific than ftp.us.debian.org by resolving to a unique IP?) Accessing the hierarchy from another host, I see that the directory tree is there, so I think that it is somehow a false report. |
| 04:46.03 | karlpinc | Intensity: You want a specific machine. ftp.us.debian.org returns one of many. |
| 04:46.55 | karlpinc | Intensity: And not always the same one, so the results can vary depending on which machine you happen to get. |
| 04:48.35 | Intensity | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.59 | The_Ball | I love "select then middle button paste" but is there any modifier key one can use so that the pasted content is escaped or quoted? |
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| 04:49.03 | Intensity | I'll hone in on one. I also noticed "INFO: mirror does not have any suite symlinks", so perhaps there is some formality that is not completely set up on most/all of those hosts (perhaps some kind of transition point). |
| 04:49.04 | The_Ball | selecting filenames with spaces is a pain |
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| 04:51.45 | k[t | mirrors seem to be acting strange -- never seen this behvior before.. =\ |
| 04:53.22 | karlpinc | The_Ball: "\ " and then tab. |
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| 04:54.24 | Intensity | It seem as though the Debian installer is looking through /debian/dists/{oldstable,stable,testing,unstable}/Release for occurances of Suite or Codename. They do seem to be there in testing for example. So maybe somehow the information isn't being relayed properly. |
| 04:55.27 | karlpinc | The_Ball: That's for tab completion at the command line. If you're pasting then you just gotta type the quote, paste and another quote. AFAIK. I could be wrong. |
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| 04:56.06 | karlpinc | Intensity: Testing is, well, testing, and breaks. |
| 04:56.33 | tehrabbitt | anyone know if it's possible to use my TPM chip in my laptop to encrypt files, directories, or even created an encrypted disk image? |
| 04:56.41 | karlpinc | Intensity: You're using a squeeze installer? |
| 04:57.14 | tehrabbitt | Intensity, good example of how testing can break things is the segfaults I was having earlier today running a "testing" version of google chrome rather than the "stable" version |
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| 04:57.37 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: For some reason I think so, from hanging out here. I could be wrong. |
| 04:58.14 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: I'd guess you've pretty good odds if it's a thinkpad. |
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| 04:59.20 | tpocra | when I switch to 2.6.36 kernel in experimental, my console resolution is a lot higher and the text is smaller. I love this. How can I configure my 2.6.32 squeeze kernel to be the same? |
| 05:00.15 | tehrabbitt | karlpinc, well it's an HP, got the infinion (spelling?) TPM chip in it. |
| 05:01.00 | tehrabbitt | what I basically want to do, is create a 5GB img file, that I can mount and have it's contents encrypted.... |
| 05:01.29 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: You could do that anyway. What's special about the chip? |
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| 05:01.36 | tehrabbitt | future idea would be to use the fingerprint scanner to actually authenticate rather than using a passphrase but that is probabbly hard |
| 05:02.09 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: Some of those biometric devices are supported too. But I know nothing more. |
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| 05:02.31 | tehrabbitt | karlpinc, well the chip allows better rng, and creates keys that aren't stored in memory, it also can also verify hashes apparently |
| 05:03.31 | tehrabbitt | it was designed to work with 3rd party software, or operating systems like vista / windows 7 that have "bitlocker" support |
| 05:04.00 | tehrabbitt | i found this, but i'm not sure if there's a nice front-end gui for it http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/tpm-tools |
| 05:06.06 | Intensity | karlpinc: Yes. I'm using a squeeze installer and am interested in installing 6.0. |
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| 05:09.51 | tehrabbitt | anyone here familiar with TPM chips and using them to create an encrypted image? |
| 05:09.59 | tehrabbitt | or creating encrypted images in general? |
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| 05:16.58 | tehrabbitt | trying to compile this but it says that ./configure is not a valid command, anyone care to take a look and see if it's just my machine? |
| 05:16.59 | tehrabbitt | http://sourceforge.net/projects/opencryptoki/ |
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| 05:21.33 | tehrabbitt | does squeeze come with crypto enabled in the kernel by default or will I need to recompile? |
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| 05:27.25 | mainer | iirc theres an option during installation. but its been a hile since i installed |
| 05:27.40 | mainer | s/hile/while |
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| 05:31.37 | tehrabbitt | mainer, if I didn't select it during install, i'm guessing it doesn't come selected? :-\ |
| 05:32.15 | tehrabbitt | if I run make menuconfig, will it already have everything my current kernel has selected or will i basically be starting from scratch? |
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| 05:38.52 | tehrabbitt | any idea why a ./configure script would say "libusb" is missing after i've installed it? |
| 05:39.25 | mainer | you need to do make oldconfig 1st i think or it starts from scratch. |
| 05:39.43 | tehrabbitt | libusb-0.1-4 is already the newest version |
| 05:39.50 | tehrabbitt | mainer, ah |
| 05:40.08 | mainer | most errors are either wrong version,naming syntax or file location |
| 05:40.16 | tehrabbitt | checking for USB... configure: error: libusb missing |
| 05:40.58 | tehrabbitt | hm, curious, debian experimental == sid, correct? |
| 05:41.06 | mainer | yes |
| 05:41.08 | tehrabbitt | :-\ |
| 05:41.20 | qq- | no |
| 05:41.22 | tehrabbitt | not sure if I want to jump this bridge just to get the fingerprint scanner working lol |
| 05:41.34 | mainer | well no,sid=unstable |
| 05:41.41 | tehrabbitt | so what's experimental then :-\ |
| 05:41.52 | qq- | !experimental |
| 05:41.53 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 05:42.06 | tehrabbitt | 0_o |
| 05:42.28 | tehrabbitt | so Stable < Testing < Sid < Experimental? |
| 05:42.34 | mainer | sorry,got a few chats going |
| 05:42.53 | mainer | yup pretty much |
| 05:42.58 | tehrabbitt | :-\ |
| 05:43.09 | tehrabbitt | Packages arrived in Debian experimental on Aug 2nd, 2007 (cf. bug #409563). To access the experimental packages via apt, add the following lines to your sources.list: |
| 05:43.11 | tehrabbitt | :-\ |
| 05:43.20 | rww | stuff doesn't automagically go from experimental to sid like it does from sid to testing to stable, iirc |
| 05:43.42 | tehrabbitt | so basically it's stuff that is still broken / dependency hell potential... |
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| 05:44.42 | tehrabbitt | these are the three packages i'm basically looking for: libthinkfinger0 libpam-thinkfinger thinkfinger-tools |
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| 05:45.19 | tehrabbitt | basically what it's looking like, is there's no *easy* way of getting this fingerprint reader working |
| 05:45.59 | Chosi | just make it manually if it's not packaged? |
| 05:46.09 | cthulu` | Hi, I am trying to setup a debian general purpose webserver (secure email/webhosting/webservice hosting for several people). Where should I start? |
| 05:46.53 | Chosi | cthulu`: just get a netinstall image |
| 05:46.54 | tehrabbitt | Chosi, it wont' compile |
| 05:47.09 | cthulu` | Chosi, its already installed |
| 05:47.30 | Chosi | oh well, then install what you need? :p |
| 05:47.48 | cthulu` | is there like a best practices or something for LAMP on debian |
| 05:48.16 | Chosi | lighttpd/apache, dovecot |
| 05:48.58 | Chosi | well there's plenty of howtos for debian mail, i have a great one but it's german ;) |
| 05:49.15 | tehrabbitt | lighttpd is best imo |
| 05:49.26 | Chosi | depends on what you need |
| 05:49.37 | Chosi | some people rely on .htaccess and some apache mods and stuff |
| 05:49.38 | mainer | yuh this is wiki one,could be a bit dated,dunno http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/HowTo/LAMP |
| 05:49.42 | cthulu` | vhosts and stuff |
| 05:49.49 | Chosi | vhosts in lighty are awesome |
| 05:50.09 | Chosi | you should really check out lighttpd first :) |
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| 05:50.45 | mainer | whoops wrong one i think. http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp for reg system |
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| 05:51.32 | mainer | maybe try /msg dpkg lamp? |
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| 06:08.43 | K0JIbKA | !russian |
| 06:08.43 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here. |
| 06:09.47 | tehrabbitt | any reason i'd get this after trying to run "fprint_demo"? |
| 06:09.47 | tehrabbitt | (fprint_demo:18893): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 |
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| 06:11.08 | FluxD | Is xinetd being removed as the default inetd in squeeze? |
| 06:12.10 | tehrabbitt | what do you mean? |
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| 06:13.07 | FluxD | tehrabbitt, I am upgrading to squeeze and its asking to remove xinetd and install openbsd-inetd |
| 06:13.42 | tehrabbitt | :-\ not sure |
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| 06:19.01 | nsadmin | tehrabbitt, you're getting that message because fprint_demo is trying to open display :0.0 and it can't be opened |
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| 06:20.14 | RAWRjar | If I install a backport (from backports.org), will that software get updated once a new version comes out via the package manager? Or is it stuck in limbo? |
| 06:20.33 | tpocra | In 2.6.36 I get a terminalk output with better resolution than with 2.6.32 |
| 06:20.47 | nsadmin | , kernels |
| 06:20.48 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-trunk-686 (2.6.36-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-27); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-27); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-26~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 06:21.09 | hotstepper | RAWRjar it'll get updated if the backport is updated. |
| 06:21.16 | rww | experiMENTAL ;) |
| 06:21.18 | tpocra | how can I make the text smaller/finer with 2.6.32 without commiting to an experimental version kernel? |
| 06:21.35 | rww | tpocra: perhaps KMS is turned on in .36 and not in .32? |
| 06:21.52 | tpocra | rww: ah, KMS is it> |
| 06:21.53 | tpocra | ? |
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| 06:45.28 | solidrock | guys, is there a way i can bypass the filesytem checking on debian lenny |
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| 06:48.42 | hotstepper | you can edit /etc/fstab |
| 06:49.15 | solidrock | ok |
| 06:49.31 | solidrock | edit /etc/fstab? what part on it? |
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| 06:53.02 | K0JIbKA | !pidgin |
| 06:53.02 | dpkg | Pidgin (formerly GAIM) is a graphical cross-platform multi-protocol instant messaging client. Backported packages are available for Lenny, ask me about <bdo>. MSN support is broken and disabled in Lenny's v2.4.3 package (BTS #559982, DSA-2038-1), use a backport. FAQ: http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/FAQ . http://www.pidgin.im/ #pidgin on irc.freenode.net. See also <pidgin yahoo>, <pidgin bdo>, <finch>. |
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| 07:19.31 | NekawA | so just recently after rebooting my computer, my sound card is saying "The volume control did not find any elements and/or devices to control. this means either that you don't have the right gstreamer plugins installed, or that you don't have a sound card configured" |
| 07:19.41 | NekawA | i've been using the soundcard for the last few months, anyone have any ideas what happened |
| 07:20.11 | NekawA | 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) <=- is there under 'lspci' |
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| 07:31.59 | cthulu` | anyone know of a graphical traceroute program? |
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| 07:33.24 | blaize | cthulu`, xtraceroute ? |
| 07:34.37 | cthulu` | not a package |
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| 07:34.48 | cthulu` | i remember there being one that like displayed each hop on a map and such |
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| 07:39.06 | Dewi | cthulu`: there are some on the web |
| 07:39.25 | solidrock | network-tool.com |
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| 08:11.57 | hotstepper | Why am I forced to install a xserver-xorg-video-* package even if I'm using a proprietary driver? And how do I pin it not to be updated so it won't overwrite the proprietary modules everytime I update the system? |
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| 08:14.42 | yardleydobon | I'm getting an error - startpar: service(s) returned failure: x11-common |
| 08:15.34 | yardleydobon | Then when I try to log in to GNOME I get "The configuration defaults for GNOME Power Manager have not been installed correctly." |
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| 08:16.30 | yardleydobon | I updated a few days ago and rebooted with no problems and I haven't been mucking with GNOME Power Manager. |
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| 09:10.23 | jokus | Hi I just finised installing Lenny on a new laptop , but it shows blank screen after splash login ? |
| 09:10.58 | Bushmills | boot splash? X login splash? |
| 09:11.05 | ondrejk | hello, we're going to build an cluster for apache web servers, now im wondering if i should use lvs or heartbeat, does anybody has experiences with this? |
| 09:11.13 | jokus | xlogin |
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| 09:13.22 | jokus | any ideas ? |
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| 09:23.44 | Raptors | Is there a way to test grub? |
| 09:23.57 | Raptors | like in an emulator ros something? |
| 09:24.02 | Raptors | or* |
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| 09:24.46 | jokus | Can anyone help pls ? |
| 09:24.57 | imaginaryman | Hey guys say I have services I installed using apt like apache and mysql. I know that the scripts to run them at start are in /etc/init.d ... my question is what is the file to set what runs on the computers boot? |
| 09:25.03 | jokus | I just finised installing Lenny on a new laptop , but it shows blank screen after splash login ? |
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| 09:25.42 | imaginaryman | jokus: check the xorg log for errors |
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| 09:26.15 | petern_ | imaginaryman, symlinks in /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 09:26.36 | imaginaryman | Thank you |
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| 09:30.43 | jokus | Any idea guys .. ? Can't seem to find any errors per se in the xorg log either. |
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| 09:32.59 | imaginaryman | jokus: I have had problems where the refresh rate was incorrect |
| 09:33.28 | imaginaryman | but that was more of a screen freak out then a black screen |
| 09:34.45 | imaginaryman | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83973 |
| 09:34.51 | jokus | No sorry, its not a black screen , its grey screen ..! :-) |
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| 09:39.59 | jokus | It did no work imagineryman, thanks anywy. |
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| 09:40.30 | macrobat | jokus: you get a prompt atleast? do you have a driver for your gfx card? |
| 09:40.35 | Olof_szary | hello, i am a bit lost with /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d/ |
| 09:40.48 | jokus | Well .. I can login to console |
| 09:40.53 | jokus | Its after the login splash |
| 09:41.01 | jokus | where I enter login and password for the user. |
| 09:41.06 | jokus | nothing . but just a grey screen |
| 09:41.13 | Olof_szary | how do i put the grub command there (ie, password --md5 whatever) |
| 09:41.24 | macrobat | Olof_szary: there is a grub wiki |
| 09:41.39 | Number5_ | Hello guys, I have very frustrating problem. I copied a skeleton file in /etc/init.d/skeleton and commented out the unnecessary parts, so it just prints a message that's all. I symbolic-linked this script with update-rc.d. When I reboot my machine (Lenny), I see this copied skeleton is executed twice!! And I just can't figure out why! |
| 09:42.24 | jokus | Google only yeilded one result .. didn't help .. I am going to google how to google .. bye .. :--( |
| 09:42.41 | Olof_szary | macrobat: thanks, i was googling, but i haven't thought to put "wiki" in search string |
| 09:43.24 | Number5_ | I checked double links in all rcX.d and there is nothing linking twice to the copied skeleton script. |
| 09:43.33 | jelly | Number5_: when did you tell it to be executed? ls /etc/rc?.d/S??yourscript |
| 09:43.50 | Number5_ | jelly: I did it defaults 99 |
| 09:43.56 | Number5_ | So it's the last one. |
| 09:44.16 | jelly | please pastebin or paste the output of that command |
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| 09:44.45 | Number5_ | I do remember I didn't do defaults [99], but those brackets can't be cause, that would be rediculous. |
| 09:44.55 | macrobat | Olof_szary: maybe this grub info is better https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 |
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| 09:46.50 | Number5_ | jelly: ok, the problem is that my machine is not connected to the network and its network config is modified, also the routetable... I'll experiment a few times, if I see no changes, I'll come with a pastebin. Thnx jelly. |
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| 09:49.55 | jelly | asking a question at a time you're unable to give additional information might not be the best idea |
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| 09:51.44 | imaginaryman | jelly is a robot ; P |
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| 09:52.16 | Number5_ | jelly: I understand, but it could be a familiar problem with a standard solution. |
| 09:52.21 | jelly | imaginaryman: DOES NOT COMPUTE |
| 09:52.54 | imaginaryman | hehe neither do I most of the time |
| 09:53.41 | krion | hi |
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| 10:00.54 | lurker3087 | what will be the name of the next testing branch? |
| 10:02.57 | lurker3087 | the silence tells me you all know |
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| 10:03.06 | claint | lurker3087: probably wheezy. |
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| 10:05.24 | lurker3087 | yesss, thnx claint. i already heave a minitiature of wheezy from a dutch supermarket |
| 10:05.31 | lurker3087 | he's waaay fatter than tux! |
| 10:06.46 | claint | is that why you were asking? :) |
| 10:07.44 | lurker3087 | yes. i like to decorate my boxes with dolls that refer to the os its running |
| 10:08.20 | lurker3087 | i'm hoping the new testing will get announced before the supermarket promo is over |
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| 10:11.15 | Number5_ | jelly: This is weird, when I update-rc.d the script with executer-order: 98 It does as expected. When give it the number 99, it is executed twice, here's the link http://codepad.org/FrGSjdgW Somehow can't load pastebin on my browser (maybe too busy). |
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| 10:19.57 | bolt | eyes lurker3087's old potato box, which is a full grown potato plant by now |
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| 10:26.04 | claint | Number5_: sounds like a feature/bug of init/update-rc.d instead of something in your script |
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| 10:27.20 | Number5_ | claint: that's what I think too, though I read somewhere on a forum that NN < 99. This means it should not be 99, but at most 98. |
| 10:27.53 | Number5_ | But that's not form an official document, also man update-rc.d says nothing about the max number of NN. |
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| 10:28.42 | claint | Number5_: well, the update-rc.d manpage tells to use 98 as well. |
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| 10:29.19 | claint | Number5_: but it doesn't tell if 99 isn't allowed. |
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| 10:31.42 | Number5_ | claint: hmmm, I only see this as an example. |
| 10:33.06 | Number5_ | claint: did you tried it yourself? If you have the same behaviour, than I call it a bug that should be reported. |
| 10:33.24 | claint | yeah, i'll check it real quick. |
| 10:33.32 | Number5_ | ok |
| 10:33.36 | claint | i am on squueze. |
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| 10:33.58 | Number5_ | aah, that's the latest version right? |
| 10:34.23 | claint | testing version, frozen right now. |
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| 10:35.24 | Number5_ | oooh, that's not good, what do you mean exactly with frozen, it stops there? If it tries to execute something, which can't than it hangs. |
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| 10:36.39 | claint | nah, i meant the squeeze release of the debian distro is in frozen, although it is in testing right now. |
| 10:37.05 | Number5_ | ooh like that, hmmm. That's another problem :P |
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| 10:37.34 | claint | frozen meaning it is getting ready for release. |
| 10:37.51 | claint | so it is not the official latest version, is what i meant. |
| 10:38.19 | Number5_ | aaah, ok. Well I was with that update-rc.d problem, so it's obvious for me thinking in that direction. |
| 10:38.55 | rhineshell | hello I wan to add this repro to my sources: http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/ |
| 10:39.00 | Number5_ | but you tried that script with 99 exxecute order? |
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| 10:39.23 | rhineshell | writing this into my sources.list: deb http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/ Debian-4.0 main contrib non-free |
| 10:39.39 | claint | i just wrote a test script to test it, but i will disconnect because i am going to go down in runlevels now.. |
| 10:39.53 | Number5_ | ok, cu later |
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| 10:39.58 | rhineshell | but it can't be found |
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| 10:41.30 | claint | Number5_: what was your update-rc.d line by the way? do you have both start and stop? |
| 10:42.28 | Number5_ | simply type: update-rc.d yourscript defautls 99 |
| 10:42.39 | Number5_ | defaults |
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| 10:44.57 | Number5_ | going to the toilet...pfff |
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| 10:49.59 | Number5_ | is back from toilet...with a smile :) |
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| 10:52.10 | jelly | tmi |
| 10:54.27 | macrobat | rhineshell: "Debian-4.0" isn't considered a "dist", right? |
| 10:55.30 | jelly | !tell rhineshell about etch sources.list |
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| 11:08.09 | crono- | Should DNS packets sniffed locally on a debian machine have an invalid checksum? |
| 11:08.41 | crono- | after a dirty reboot (poweroutage) one of my debian webservers can no longer lookup domains, looks like all DNS packets get bad checksums while other services like ICMP, SSH or HTTP are fine |
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| 11:10.34 | claint | Number5_: i couldn't even put it on 99, but I think because I had the ###BEGIN INIT INFO block in my script. |
| 11:10.50 | claint | *I think that's because .... |
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| 11:12.57 | Number5_ | claint: ###... is just a comment. Anyway it's ok. |
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| 11:13.09 | Number5_ | thnx for your time. |
| 11:13.12 | claint | nah, it gets parsed |
| 11:13.30 | claint | i just copied an old init script i had. |
| 11:13.41 | claint | and it had the BEGIN INIT INFO block |
| 11:14.11 | Number5_ | Ok, I see, I haven't dived too much in it. |
| 11:14.12 | claint | so I couldn't test it really. I need the machine up for something right now though. |
| 11:15.06 | Number5_ | ok thnx |
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| 11:17.12 | crono- | it kinda looks like the dns resolver library is broken |
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| 11:21.11 | crono- | is there some integrity check that can be run in debian, like to verify that installed libraries haven't been tampered with |
| 11:21.25 | petemc | debsums |
| 11:21.40 | crono- | ty |
| 11:21.44 | petemc | tried using a different nameserver? |
| 11:21.48 | crono- | yes |
| 11:21.59 | crono- | i got it working again by forcing queries over IPv6 |
| 11:23.27 | crono- | looks like this; http://dpaste.com/278366/ |
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| 11:25.45 | masterkorp | does debian comes with wvdial by default ? |
| 11:25.58 | masterkorp | i can't TIAS |
| 11:26.12 | petemc | you cant what? |
| 11:26.31 | petemc | and no, wvdial isnt installed as part of the standard task# |
| 11:26.34 | masterkorp | Try it and See |
| 11:26.45 | masterkorp | petemc: tahnks |
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| 11:33.13 | anoob | hi, is there a way to play a rtmp stream with linux? |
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| 11:34.15 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:35.05 | petemc | or rtmpdump |
| 11:36.06 | sebd | Hello, what is the Debian standard way to map the "Compose" key for all users ? |
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| 11:39.21 | macrobat | i heard you can put your default conf files in /etc/skel and new accounts will get those files |
| 11:40.11 | macrobat | maybe you can edit /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc |
| 11:40.31 | macrobat | depends on how X is started, i guess |
| 11:42.56 | sebd | macrobat: it's a NTSP setup |
| 11:43.07 | sebd | LTSP |
| 11:43.21 | macrobat | ok, it is over my head, then :D |
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| 11:45.01 | macrobat | for some reason i can't run xmodmap from ~/.xinitrc , i run it manually once X is running |
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| 11:51.31 | depesz | hi |
| 11:51.47 | depesz | i'm trying to install talkd, but it required openbsd-inetd, and doesn't work with xinetd. |
| 11:52.05 | depesz | i.e. it makes apt-get remove xinetd! |
| 11:52.15 | depesz | any idea on how to get talkd with xinetd? |
| 11:53.41 | sebd | depesz: openbsd-inetd replaced xinetd I think. Why do you want to keep it ? It can do all xinetd does ... |
| 11:54.09 | depesz | sebd: never used openbsd-inetd, but I like format of xinetd configuration. |
| 11:54.33 | sebd | openbsd-inetd is compatible |
| 11:54.40 | depesz | ah. thanks. |
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| 11:55.26 | rozie | depesz: may be packaging error. I mean too strict dependency |
| 11:56.16 | depesz | sebd: hmm .. inetd seems to use old-fashioned /etc/inetd.conf |
| 11:56.23 | depesz | sebd: which is definitely not something I like. |
| 11:56.45 | depesz | anyone knows where I can find example how to put vsftpd in inetd.conf? it has inetd example for xinetd only |
| 11:57.07 | sebd | ah, my mistake then. |
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| 12:04.10 | jellow | I want to share my wlan0 on my laptop to a PC over eth0 that does not have a wireless card , I did a little reasarch figured i would use iptables howerver my PC won't connect -http://pastebin.com/EAEH3Lz5 |
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| 12:04.39 | abrotman | jellow: which version of Debian ? |
| 12:05.21 | jellow | abrotman: the laptop is squeeze/sid |
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| 12:06.05 | Kk2 | how i make my /home/downloads directory like a download ftp page with lighttpd on debian? |
| 12:07.47 | ov3rmind | me have one similar problem my debian-squeeze canot connect, slack and gentoo in the same box connect but debian prsist trying to call crda with cfg80211 kernel module and not connect to access point... |
| 12:08.07 | jellow | Kk2: you could use symlinks |
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| 12:11.11 | PiskunovYV | ÈÁÊ |
| 12:11.43 | PiskunovYV | ÒÅÂÑÔ ÐÏÍÏÇÉÔÅ Ó logrotate |
| 12:12.14 | Kk2 | jellow like ln -s /home/downloads to /var/www/downloads? |
| 12:12.29 | abrotman | jellow: eh .. nevermind then .. ipmasq is still in lenny and makes it pretty easy |
| 12:12.46 | abrotman | PiskunovYV: we don't speak whatever language that is .. try again in english |
| 12:13.04 | PiskunovYV | ok, but my english very bad, please help me with logrotate |
| 12:13.25 | abrotman | PiskunovYV: there are russian (?) channels if that would be easier? |
| 12:13.30 | abrotman | guesses |
| 12:14.31 | PiskunovYV | i was asked on russian debian channel - but nobody help me |
| 12:14.56 | abrotman | oh okay .. |
| 12:15.01 | abrotman | well, you can try in english |
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| 12:15.07 | PiskunovYV | ok |
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| 12:16.03 | hardisk | Hi |
| 12:16.22 | hardisk | I've got some sun servers with no video cards, do you know how can I install Debian on them? |
| 12:16.39 | petemc | serial console |
| 12:16.48 | petemc | the sparc installer does that out of the box |
| 12:17.01 | hardisk | huh, never used that do you know how it looks? |
| 12:17.11 | PiskunovYV | Logrotate don't rotate logs.Why? /etc/cron.daily/logrotate contains: |
| 12:17.19 | hardisk | The Debian sparc installer supports serial console? |
| 12:17.21 | petemc | hardisk: looks? it looks just like the normal installer |
| 12:17.22 | PiskunovYV | #!/bin/sh |
| 12:17.22 | PiskunovYV | test -x /usr/sbin/logrotate || exit 0 |
| 12:17.22 | PiskunovYV | /usr/sbin/logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf |
| 12:17.34 | hardisk | sorry, i mean act |
| 12:17.45 | hardisk | And, is the serial console working with regular RJ45? |
| 12:18.00 | PiskunovYV | and logrotate options: |
| 12:18.05 | abrotman | PiskunovYV: don't rotate which logs? |
| 12:18.09 | petemc | hardisk: if you have the rf45 to serial adapter, sure |
| 12:18.14 | petemc | rj45 |
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| 12:18.17 | abrotman | hardisk: i believe so, there is a #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net |
| 12:18.20 | hardisk | great |
| 12:18.50 | PiskunovYV | apache logs |
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| 12:19.33 | abrotman | PiskunovYV: apache rotates weekly IIRC, not based on size? |
| 12:20.03 | PiskunovYV | <abrotman>, sec. |
| 12:20.16 | PiskunovYV | logrotate options: |
| 12:20.23 | abrotman | PiskunovYV: paste.debian.net please |
| 12:20.24 | PiskunovYV | daily |
| 12:20.24 | PiskunovYV | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.24 | PiskunovYV | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.24 | PiskunovYV | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.24 | PiskunovYV | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.24 | PiskunovYV | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:20.32 | abrotman | saw that coming |
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| 12:20.43 | abrotman | PiskunovYV: paste.debian.net please |
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| 12:22.00 | PiskunovYV | <abrotman>can you help me? |
| 12:22.11 | abrotman | use paste.debian.net to show us the config |
| 12:22.17 | PiskunovYV | ok |
| 12:23.36 | PiskunovYV | http://paste.debian.net/100436/ |
| 12:24.09 | abrotman | eh .. *.log ? |
| 12:24.32 | hardisk | Thanks for you help :) |
| 12:24.54 | abrotman | PiskunovYV: you likely want /var/log/apache2/*.log ? |
| 12:25.23 | stew | and if its apache logs, why is it looking for nginx pid? |
| 12:25.28 | PiskunovYV | <abrotman> i have full path, i send only end to you |
| 12:25.48 | abrotman | well, that was silly .. why would you do that? |
| 12:25.49 | stew | and is web web really right? |
| 12:26.06 | stew | PiskunovYV: this is for apache or nginx? |
| 12:26.51 | PiskunovYV | 2 stew: it's nginx, web web - are correct user and group info |
| 12:26.52 | abrotman | likes that he removes the full path but leaves the email .. |
| 12:27.04 | stew | PiskunovYV: and what distro is this? |
| 12:27.19 | PiskunovYV | stew, one moment |
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| 12:28.27 | PiskunovYV | 2 stew: 5 lenny |
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| 12:30.21 | PiskunovYV | stew, do you have any ideas? |
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| 12:35.25 | abrotman | PiskunovYV: does logrotate work for other log files? |
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| 12:38.31 | tgywa | How do I know if a server process is idle ? |
| 12:38.41 | PiskunovYV | <abrotman>, logroate correctly rotated logs with this options until 01 nov...i'ts strange |
| 12:39.01 | abrotman | and hwat changed then ? |
| 12:39.21 | PiskunovYV | i don't know; now, i have one log file with > 20 Gb size |
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| 12:40.11 | Ryvius | Hey, I got a Guruplug and would like to use it with my NAS for torrenting, is there any guide around or something? |
| 12:41.33 | abrotman | PiskunovYV: you can run logrotate and give it a conf file .. it may give oyu more clues |
| 12:41.40 | abrotman | or checky our syslog or messages in /var/log/ |
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| 12:48.35 | PiskunovYV | <abrotman> ok. thanx for help. i have some thoughts. See you later. |
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| 12:48.44 | abrotman | uhm okay! |
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| 12:58.31 | moke99 | heya... I have a question with regards to apt/dpkg |
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| 12:59.03 | ShockStar | shot |
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| 13:00.01 | moke99 | let's say I compile a deb package from sources I customised, or wished for a non stable version to test... if I go about and compiling form source say.. will the deb package still 'fit in' dependency wise? (I guess it will be compiled against 'stable packages' but what if it is a svn which also needs some other updates) will my system aptitude that is, install the upgradeS? will it keep tabs on my package or will it be 'outside' the depen |
| 13:00.02 | moke99 | dency manmagement? |
| 13:00.25 | moke99 | I am just unsure if using .deb binaries with source compiled "home" ones, fit in |
| 13:00.48 | masterkorp | what do you recomned for getting deb (with a lot of dependencies) packages without an internet connection |
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| 13:01.31 | moke99 | I am sorry for the noobie question but ya.. I ended up playing with lfs a while ago, liked the source compilation but also realize, the reason for so many debian based flavours is that apt , at least for me, is THE dependency manager (package manager I guess most r good, but ye) |
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| 13:02.01 | moke99 | masterkorp, in all honesty.. wihtout .. then you order a dvd |
| 13:02.14 | moke99 | get the full one obviousy and/or order usb sticks or look for one in a magazine |
| 13:02.34 | moke99 | how coem you have no internet for the system? |
| 13:03.19 | moke99 | aah sorry I misread you masterkorp... ooh, hmm, well if you can, bring an external DVD writer somewhere, dl packages and burn them onto the DVD (look up aptoncd if you like) but I dont know that program well |
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| 13:04.22 | masterkorp | moke99: so, my only chance is making a cd-repo ? |
| 13:05.10 | masterkorp | i just need to installl wvdial and i have connection, but a lot of dependiecies here |
| 13:06.50 | moke99 | well no.. u can use external devices anything.. but that would be highly costly if you can't get an update list so to speak |
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| 13:07.17 | moke99 | which is needed with respect to your system (which surely can be done, but myself am limited to the package manager whic is why I am asking here for some help :)) |
| 13:07.39 | abrotman | masterkorp: apt-zip |
| 13:07.41 | moke99 | I love dpkg/apt but I still am learning a lot about it |
| 13:07.49 | abrotman | !apt-zip |
| 13:07.49 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
| 13:07.51 | masterkorp | man apt-zip |
| 13:07.52 | masterkorp | ups |
| 13:08.04 | abrotman | you probably have to install it, few people have it installed |
| 13:08.11 | abrotman | !tell masterkorp about apt offline |
| 13:08.13 | petemc | moke99: the installer may support whatever method you use to connect |
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| 13:08.18 | petemc | masterkorp: ^^^^ |
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| 13:08.32 | moke99 | which reminds me, running e17 as sole X env. and adding aptitude-gtk seems sometimes as unhandled hooks are occurring, (some buttons just seem dead).. in which case for now I dare not assume it is consistent |
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| 13:08.36 | masterkorp | no man page ? |
| 13:08.40 | abrotman | masterkorp: though IIRC, wvdial is on the netinst? or maybe that's pppconfig |
| 13:08.45 | abrotman | masterkorp: not if you don't have apt-zip installed |
| 13:08.49 | antgel | hey all |
| 13:08.53 | antgel | ABORTMAN! |
| 13:08.55 | abrotman | hiya antgel |
| 13:08.58 | moke99 | petemc, hmm is that in reference to my original question? |
| 13:08.59 | antgel | wow |
| 13:09.15 | petemc | moke99: no, wrong nick |
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| 13:09.48 | masterkorp | abrotman: i use the starndard CD version, but does the netinstall comes with any ppp tool ? |
| 13:09.54 | moke99 | say I wish to compile the most recent kernel.. say I customise a bluefish svn source , then compile it, will these somehow be managed by aptitude or will I now need to manually keep an eye on the 'unmanaged' package ubstalls? |
| 13:09.59 | abrotman | masterkorp: try pppconfig if wvdial isn't installed |
| 13:10.02 | masterkorp | that can solve my problem, i just need to install ueagle-atm |
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| 13:10.14 | moke99 | ustalls = installs * :p |
| 13:10.16 | petemc | masterkorp: all cds other than the business card should support ppp |
| 13:10.20 | abrotman | moke99: you can use stow or checkinstall if you don't want to use a .deb |
| 13:10.37 | masterkorp | abrotman: no pppconfig comand :( |
| 13:10.42 | abrotman | as root? |
| 13:10.49 | masterkorp | abrotman: yes |
| 13:11.08 | moke99 | I feel both methods are a step down from apt though, in terms of dependencies.. however, so abrotman I do have to manually implement a system then to deal with cuystom packages? |
| 13:11.10 | abrotman | not sure how you managed that .. it's on every CD except bizcard |
| 13:11.26 | abrotman | moke99: not if you correctly tell the new package what the deps are |
| 13:11.31 | antgel | i have a quickie. using ftpsync to create a debian mirror, it appears to rsync pretty well, but my permissions got fubared at some point - see http://pastebin.ca/1998886 . where in the ftpsync scripts is this set? i might have changed something but don't know what |
| 13:11.38 | masterkorp | abrotman: damm i am a lucky guy |
| 13:11.43 | antgel | and www-data can't read the packages, making my mirror a bit useless |
| 13:11.50 | moke99 | say I install the latest kernel... and how does that intewgrate into my system and does apt go bonkers; accept it; update/upgrade it? etc etc |
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| 13:12.09 | abrotman | masterkorp: which CD do you have handy? |
| 13:12.32 | masterkorp | the standart cd 1 |
| 13:12.37 | abrotman | gives antgel a lecture about using an apt proxy instead of creating a whole mirror |
| 13:12.37 | masterkorp | +standard |
| 13:12.46 | moke99 | yes abrotman, hmm ok.. so in other words.. if I DO compile a 'unstable' .deb, integrate it coomoile and build irt properly to my othe rpackages.. from then on, it manages to keep up on updates? (or not. given the unstable/custom is not in the repositories necessarily in the end?) |
| 13:12.49 | abrotman | masterkorp: stick it, run apt-cdrom to add it, then run apt-cache search pppconfig |
| 13:13.13 | abrotman | moke99: how would it keep up on updates? |
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| 13:13.19 | moke99 | exactly |
| 13:13.30 | antgel | abrotman: yes, but the proxies are all broken IME and i'm on a big enough project ATM that having a mirror is useful. i did use the ftpsync scripts, i didn't try to DIY |
| 13:13.31 | masterkorp | abrotman: oh i am soo stupid, i forgat that completly, OMG |
| 13:13.32 | abrotman | moke99: it's a custom package you installed, the package management system wouldn't know to recompile it |
| 13:13.33 | antgel | or DIM |
| 13:13.44 | abrotman | antgel: approx works fantastically well for me |
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| 13:14.04 | abrotman | antgel: approx is stupidly easy to setup and works incredibly well |
| 13:14.05 | masterkorp | 15 fucking years managing linux systems and i completly forgot that |
| 13:14.07 | antgel | abrotman: i' have 150GB data on here. i'm not going to delete it to install a proxy |
| 13:14.08 | masterkorp | ... |
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| 13:14.10 | moke99 | hmm abrotman, bare with me here.. so stow/checkinstall are tools for making sure WHEN I build/install make sure my system still is go.. or did you propose them as a means to update later ? |
| 13:14.21 | abrotman | antgel: you don't have to .. put it in the proxy :) |
| 13:14.36 | abrotman | moke99: no, they're for managing the files you're giong to pollute your system with |
| 13:14.36 | moke99 | the only way would be if I kept a ppa / rep yes? |
| 13:14.48 | abrotman | moke99: if you're asking about ubuntu, please go to #ubuntu |
| 13:14.54 | antgel | abrotman: fine, but my perms are still wrong on the rsync and i don't know why |
| 13:15.10 | antgel | abrotman: i mean i could add debmirror to the www-data group but that sucks |
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| 13:15.18 | abrotman | antgel: that's cute .. set it sticky? |
| 13:15.35 | moke99 | hehe well 'pollute'. its not always pollution.. as i said.. if anything, I think rpm has kind of lost it and if a LBS standard should be based on ONE package it shud be rather the apt spec but thats just my opinion (id say one or the other should be required) |
| 13:15.38 | abrotman | antgel: can you see the perms on the system you're mirroring from ? |
| 13:15.46 | antgel | abrotman: "it"? |
| 13:15.47 | moke99 | moke99, no I am not asking about ubuntu.. but about aptitude |
| 13:15.58 | antgel | abrotman: to be fair, no. but i bet it was my fault :( |
| 13:16.02 | abrotman | moke99: If you're asking about Ubuntu's aptitude, you're in the WRONG channel |
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| 13:16.19 | antgel | wow, we still get ubuntu queries |
| 13:16.22 | moke99 | I happen to be on an old ubuntu cos my debian atm is in a vm, and I used to use ubuntu studio a while now for past yr for graphices editing and bla bla |
| 13:16.29 | moke99 | blah |
| 13:16.39 | abrotman | moke99: please go to #ubuntu, this is not a channel that supports their OS or tools |
| 13:16.45 | moke99 | no its not ubuntu , its the logic of apt |
| 13:16.55 | antgel | oh sweet jesus |
| 13:17.02 | abrotman | moke99: stop arguing about it .. Ubutnut modifies the dpkg/apt tools, go ask them |
| 13:17.07 | moke99 | hmm, well its not ubutnu :( but oik.. anyway abrotman thank you for your responses (whcih are helpful) |
| 13:17.08 | antgel | moke99: why do you think that attitude will get you help? |
| 13:17.09 | abrotman | Ubuntu .. stupid keyboard |
| 13:17.26 | moke99 | ant :( which attitude sigh |
| 13:17.28 | abrotman | i don't even know how that extra 't' got in there |
| 13:17.31 | moke99 | antgel, * |
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| 13:19.04 | moke99 | I have a debian vm, I also have another debian vm I used for learing lfs.. I cam to the realisation that thats all fun, but without a PM one is lost.. B. I first tried my linux server skills on debaiin 3.X |
| 13:19.36 | moke99 | I tried ubuntu now as well, given I last time confgured X was in 2000 and was quite a bas*** .. antgel my attitude? |
| 13:19.38 | moke99 | JESUS |
| 13:19.48 | abrotman | moke99: really, this isn't amusing anymore .. go to #ubuntu for questions about Ubuntu |
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| 13:23.34 | ShockStar | i have a noob cuestion |
| 13:23.48 | ShockStar | how do i see hidden carpets? |
| 13:24.10 | ShockStar | for example /home/.amule |
| 13:24.32 | abrotman | ShockStar: ls -a |
| 13:25.46 | ShockStar | yes, in a terminal |
| 13:26.01 | ShockStar | but in the file browser |
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| 13:27.52 | sebd | ShockStar: look for an option the the "View" menu |
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| 13:28.58 | ShockStar | Thanks sebd. |
| 13:29.00 | ShockStar | ;) |
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| 13:42.19 | masterkorp | is wvdial in the DVD version of debian ? |
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| 13:45.55 | masterkorp | is wvdial in the DVD version of debian ? |
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| 13:47.28 | Chris___ | I accidentally turned on the universal access thing on my notifications tray. now I can't make it go away. |
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| 13:48.52 | masterkorp | Chris___: in gnome : System->Prefenrences->Assitive teconlogies (or something like that) |
| 13:49.34 | khaleel5100 | hi, i have debian sid, kde 4 and lxvd, when i have to start another (2nd user's) gui interface, i do startx -- :1 but that opens lxde desktop, what do i do to run another kde ? |
| 13:50.03 | brahman | khaleel5100: start /etc/init.d/kdm |
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| 13:51.02 | brahman | khaleel5100: my bad I had not seen that you wanted to start on different tty. |
| 13:51.32 | masterkorp | is wvdial in the DVD version of debian ? |
| 13:51.45 | khaleel5100 | brahman: ok , how do you do the 2nd? |
| 13:52.03 | abrotman | masterkorp: pppconfig works just fine |
| 13:52.04 | Chris___ | thanks masterkorp :D |
| 13:52.07 | krion | khaleel5100: try google xinitrc kde |
| 13:52.12 | abrotman | masterkorp: and wvdial is probably on CD1 |
| 13:52.21 | khaleel5100 | krion: ok |
| 13:52.27 | khaleel5100 | i will just remove lxde |
| 13:52.29 | krion | khaleel5100: you could try add startkde into .xinitrc |
| 13:52.45 | krion | khaleel5100: it would not fix your problem IMHO |
| 13:52.56 | krion | as it would start X without any dm |
| 13:52.56 | brahman | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.58 | abrotman | or not .. wtf |
| 13:53.10 | abrotman | masterkorp: it'd be easier to get a usb stick and transfer it |
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| 13:53.34 | khaleel5100 | krion: oh |
| 13:53.34 | khaleel5100 | ok |
| 13:53.38 | brahman | khaleel5100: with this you can then set the default... |
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| 13:55.20 | kj4 | exit |
| 13:55.25 | masterkorp | abrotman: no is not on cd one |
| 13:55.37 | khaleel5100 | brahman: thanks |
| 13:55.38 | bartzy | There's no tool to benchmark IO in debian ? |
| 13:56.01 | masterkorp | abrotman: can i downaload the package and all dependecies ? |
| 13:56.36 | k[t | is it me or are debian mirrors bad right now? |
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| 13:56.55 | abrotman | masterkorp: wvdial and pppconfig have very few deps |
| 13:57.05 | k[t | i keep receiving: release file expired.. |
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| 13:57.54 | gan | hello |
| 13:58.17 | gan | can i get a package which is related to history of french |
| 13:58.32 | gan | can i get a package which is related to history of geography map |
| 13:58.42 | gan | can i get a package which is related to geography map |
| 13:59.25 | Rienzilla | ? |
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| 14:03.07 | abrotman | gan: is that one question ? |
| 14:03.52 | gan | abrotman, yes, i want the package which is related to students |
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| 14:04.13 | jkprg | Hi! Do you know any tile Window Manager where it's possible to assign fixed bottom tile for virtual keyboard and upper tile for rest of applications. It should support also dialog window (like confirmation dialogs etc.) of regular applications. Moreover virtual keyboard is hidden most of the time so other applications should be maximized to whole screen. |
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| 14:04.57 | icebrain | gan: check the education-* packags |
| 14:05.10 | icebrain | for example, education-geography |
| 14:05.21 | icebrain | also, aptitude search ~Guse::learning |
| 14:05.31 | abrotman | gan: you know, there is this thing called, Wikipedia :) |
| 14:05.32 | gan | abrotman, i am using debian & i like to teach the subjetcs through open source , so that it will spread throughout & the knowledge will come from from childhood to the children |
| 14:05.45 | gan | abrotman, i knew |
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| 14:06.10 | gan | abrotman, those contents i want it as a package |
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| 14:06.29 | gan | abrotman, how the games are coming in a single package |
| 14:06.47 | gan | abrotman, like that i want it for history & geo |
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| 14:07.03 | khaleel5000 | hi, i have sid, kde4, cant get 2nd user's account to run kde. |
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| 14:07.26 | khaleel5000 | i tried setting the default to kwinnn but now it just opens a blank screen with cursor |
| 14:07.28 | gan | abrotman, for geo there is something called geotool but i dont know how much is it useful |
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| 14:07.42 | gan | abrotman, are you getting my point |
| 14:07.45 | gan | : |
| 14:07.48 | gan | ? |
| 14:07.49 | abrotman | yes .. but i don't know of any tools |
| 14:07.51 | abrotman | !enter |
| 14:07.51 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 14:08.05 | icebrain | gan: if you want content, Wikipedia is your best bet. Better than that, probably just paying. Debian packages are mostly applications. As I said, do "aptitude search ~Guse::learning" to see the packages for learning |
| 14:09.11 | gan | icebrain, why not this can be made as an application like games |
| 14:09.27 | gan | icebrain, why not those content can be made as an application like games |
| 14:10.14 | gan | icebrain, is there any tool which fully describes about the countries & its speciality |
| 14:10.24 | icebrain | gan: depends on the contents. A web browser is an application :) But you have some, like kgeography |
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| 14:11.05 | icebrain | "KGeography contains maps allowing you to learn various countries or the political divisions of several countries. It has several modes, including a map browser and games involving the names, capitals, or flags of the map divisions. " |
| 14:11.09 | gan | icebrain, i just want to confirm is there any tool of like that ( above said ) |
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| 14:11.13 | vtts | gan, p education-geography - DebianEdu applications for geography |
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| 14:11.54 | gan | vtts, thanks |
| 14:12.50 | khaleel5000 | how do i enable root logins on debian kde wm |
| 14:13.01 | gan | vtts, do you know anymore packages like that |
| 14:13.05 | abrotman | khaleel5000: maybe you should try that 2nd user with another WM ? |
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| 14:13.55 | khaleel5000 | abrotman: i am aware about root's power, i am sole user, its for learning purpose, i need to use kde4 with root, |
| 14:14.02 | khaleel5000 | please how can i enable gui login? |
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| 14:14.15 | vtts | gan, you could search for them yourself http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=stable§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=education |
| 14:14.21 | brahman | khaleel5000: su - root; startx |
| 14:14.41 | brahman | khaleel5000: not recommended at all... Use at your own risk |
| 14:15.12 | khaleel5000 | i have a tty open as root |
| 14:15.16 | khaleel5000 | i cant login in kde4 with root |
| 14:15.19 | abrotman | khaleel5000: no, you don't need root to be able to login to KDE |
| 14:15.27 | abrotman | khaleel5000: what are you trying to fix? |
| 14:15.39 | khaleel5000 | abrotman: i have auto login as a user, i have to disable that, only root can do it |
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| 14:15.56 | abrotman | khaleel5000: ctrl-alt-f3 .. login, edit the kdm.conf |
| 14:15.56 | khaleel5000 | also configure wifi with kde4 |
| 14:16.05 | abrotman | khaleel5000: or use ksudo ? |
| 14:16.07 | abrotman | or ksu |
| 14:16.14 | khaleel5000 | i will prefer a real gui login |
| 14:16.22 | abrotman | okay .. i told you how .. have fun |
| 14:16.29 | khaleel5000 | where is kde.conf? |
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| 14:16.52 | khaleel5000 | kdm* |
| 14:17.00 | abrotman | in /etc/ somewhere i'm sure |
| 14:17.34 | gan | vtts, thanks |
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| 14:19.28 | khaleel5000 | abrotman: i cant find kdm.conf , are you sure you are telling me for KDE4? |
| 14:19.42 | abrotman | maybe you should ask #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net |
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| 14:20.27 | masterkorp | khaleel5000: if you have multiple Desktop Enviroments and window managers, why not use SLiM ? |
| 14:20.44 | Ulovlig | Hi there! I have install lamp for debian. Apache is working gr8. It has installed /www folder etc. but I cannot make mysql/phpmyadmin to work |
| 14:21.48 | Bop | anyone with linux using MASQUERADING with a vista machine ? |
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| 14:22.59 | khaleel5000 | seriously is gettign a damn root login on gui is THAT difficult |
| 14:23.20 | icebrain | khaleel5000: if it isn't, it should :P |
| 14:24.12 | nkuttler | khaleel5000: why do you think you need to run kde as root? |
| 14:24.40 | bolt | !tell Ulovlig about doesn't work |
| 14:25.27 | WormFood | does anyone have a clue, as to why the hell sound is so fucked up on flash....sometimes it works fine, and other times it is totally fucked....like I go to a page, and unknown to me they are trying to play an mp3 with flash....but I hear nothing for 5 minutes, then all of a sudden, I hear the whole 3 minute song in 10 seconds....and the fucked up thing is it hangs on the last note |
| 14:26.40 | Ulovlig | Mysql should be in the same folder as apache right like var/mysql or somthing like that? |
| 14:26.48 | abrotman | might help to know hwich browser and which version fo flash |
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| 14:27.02 | WormFood | lastes iceweasel in squeeze |
| 14:27.07 | WormFood | latest* |
| 14:27.34 | stew | WormFood: which flash player |
| 14:28.00 | WormFood | but I'm on 64-bit, so I have to use some wrapper for it...I forget the details....now that I think about it, that is probably the root of the problem |
| 14:28.09 | WormFood | it should be the official adobe flash player |
| 14:28.37 | khaleel5000 | nkuttler: i have to do some settings in login manager |
| 14:28.50 | khaleel5000 | retarded thing is in previous kde4 i could login manager |
| 14:28.53 | khaleel5000 | as root |
| 14:28.54 | khaleel5000 | now i cant |
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| 14:29.36 | nkuttler | khaleel5000: you should never log in as root. i'm sure kde has something like a visual sudo interface. try kde support |
| 14:29.37 | bolt | is that wrapper still necessary? thought that was fixed |
| 14:29.54 | WormFood | stew or abrotman, do you guys know if there are issues with sound on flash in 64-bit mode? |
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| 14:30.21 | nkuttler | WormFood: works for me |
| 14:30.57 | WormFood | it did work for me, but one update it just broke, and it has never been right since, and that wast probably a month or two ago. |
| 14:31.03 | bolt | Ulovlig: mysql lives everywhere. in /bin /lib /var ... |
| 14:31.35 | WormFood | no...I take that back....I think it broke when I changed the wrapper for flash, because so many things wouldn't work in 64-bit flash |
| 14:31.37 | bolt | Ulovlig: dpkg -L <packagename> to see where stuff is put |
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| 14:32.32 | abrotman | WormFood: you're not using it in 64bit mode .. but there is 64bit flash again .. probably works better than your wrapper thing |
| 14:32.36 | ix_ | cdw needs cdrecord but cdrecord was replaced by wodim, there is an old bug about it; so it only needs a link in /usr/bin |
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| 14:32.48 | ix_ | it's a bug, in squeeze |
| 14:32.55 | Ulovlig | Ok, because i have installed it. and its running. When i f.ex go to <host>/phpmyadmin, the phpmyadmin interface comes up. ( is it any default password on that?) Anyway, I try to connect with my user ( root ) and password that I managed to make during installtion |
| 14:33.47 | Ulovlig | Nvm |
| 14:33.52 | Ulovlig | I reinstalled it, and it works |
| 14:34.00 | Ulovlig | Sorry for stupid questions |
| 14:34.04 | Ulovlig | have a nice dayt |
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| 14:35.14 | depesz | hi. i'd like to build my own kernel with make-kpkg |
| 14:35.34 | depesz | i got sources, configured it with make menuconfig, and am now running make-kpkg binary |
| 14:35.36 | WormFood | abrotman, I WAS using 64-bit flash....but I found some sites wouldn't work with it. |
| 14:35.45 | abrotman | the newest one? |
| 14:35.52 | depesz | but it asks me questions for kernel configuration. how can I make it to use my config? |
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| 14:36.15 | rozie | depesz: are you sure you saved config in menuconfig? |
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| 14:36.23 | depesz | rozie: yes. positive. |
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| 14:36.41 | rozie | give us full command you use, pls |
| 14:36.41 | abrotman | make oldconfig ? |
| 14:36.53 | depesz | rozie: make menuconfig |
| 14:37.04 | depesz | rozie: in there -> Load an Alternate Configuration File "depesz.config" |
| 14:37.05 | rozie | OK, and them make-kpkg ... ? |
| 14:37.22 | depesz | rozie: then -> exit, and on exit say yes to: "Do you wish to save your new kernel configuration?" |
| 14:37.27 | WormFood | I was using the newest 64-bit flash, at the time (I think that question was directed towards me) |
| 14:37.31 | depesz | and then make-kpkg -j 64 binary |
| 14:37.32 | rozie | make oldconfig ;) |
| 14:37.34 | depesz | that's all. |
| 14:37.40 | depesz | rozie: "make oldconfig"? |
| 14:37.48 | rozie | your config is probably from older kernel version? |
| 14:37.49 | depesz | rozie: before make-kpkg ? |
| 14:38.07 | rozie | yes, kernel configs are not compatible between versions |
| 14:38.10 | depesz | rozie: well. not really. explanation: |
| 14:38.25 | depesz | rozie: i took config from /boot (it's from 2.6.32, and new is 2.6.32.25 |
| 14:38.35 | depesz | rozie: loaded it to menuconfig, added some changes, saved |
| 14:38.50 | rozie | you don't need to use menuconfig |
| 14:39.00 | rozie | just make oldconfig and answer questions |
| 14:39.04 | depesz | rozie: i need as I want to change some stuff. |
| 14:39.13 | rozie | there should be only a few |
| 14:39.17 | depesz | and I definitely prefer menuconfig way of interaction. |
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| 14:39.27 | rozie | OK, feel free to use menuconfig then |
| 14:39.32 | depesz | rozie: there are *a lot* because I'm adding patch to kernel which was not in standard debian config. |
| 14:39.44 | depesz | rozie: ok, but I did, and make-kpkg still asks questions. |
| 14:39.55 | depesz | rozie: how can i make make-kpkg not to ask? |
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| 14:40.00 | rozie | you still need to run make oldconfig |
| 14:40.11 | depesz | rozie: before make menucofnig? |
| 14:40.22 | rozie | irrevelant IIRC |
| 14:40.32 | rozie | before make-kpkg |
| 14:40.56 | rozie | then you will get final config in .config |
| 14:41.11 | rozie | and make-kpkg should not ask any quiestions |
| 14:41.15 | rozie | questions* |
| 14:41.25 | depesz | it asks the same questions as make-kpkg :( |
| 14:41.44 | rozie | yes, because it doesn't have this data |
| 14:41.59 | depesz | ok, but make menuconfig did store this data somewhere. |
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| 14:42.17 | depesz | how can I convert it from the way make menuconfig saves it to whatever oldconfig/make-kpkg needs? |
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| 14:43.21 | depesz | rozie: any idea? |
| 14:43.24 | rozie | depesz: does menuconfig save final config in .config? |
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| 14:43.45 | rozie | if not, try to cp <configfile> .config |
| 14:44.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's make oldconfigu supposed to do? |
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| 14:44.24 | ThePub | rozie: for a kernel config? if so, it should ask you at the end if you want to save it. |
| 14:44.48 | depesz | rozie: i think it helped. |
| 14:44.51 | depesz | rozie: thanks. |
| 14:45.17 | depesz | i think that what happens is: when i tell menuconfuig to load alternate config, it also changes the place where config is *saved* on exit. |
| 14:45.28 | rozie | probably ;-) |
| 14:45.30 | ThePub | I'd like to use $COLUMNS in PS1, is that possible? |
| 14:45.43 | rozie | and make-kpkg uses .config |
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| 14:46.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | why don't you just try it? |
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| 14:46.21 | depesz | CutMeOwnThroat: you're asking me? |
| 14:46.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I don't think you can use variables inside a variable |
| 14:46.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, ThePub about the COLUMNS thing |
| 14:46.36 | helo | depesz: ThePub |
| 14:47.06 | depesz | ThePub: sure, it is possible, but will *not* work in case your terminal changes size. |
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| 14:47.39 | ThePub | depesz: that's what I was concerned about.. so I setup a function to check for and use it in order to output a horizontal rule but doesn't seem to work. |
| 14:47.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can of course use $COLUMNS, but it'll get expanded when you set PS1, I'd think |
| 14:47.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it'd stick around fixed |
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| 14:48.13 | ThePub | depesz: I'm not really much of an interactive bash guru, so just wanted a quick hack for better visual seperation vertically. |
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| 14:49.26 | ThePub | CutMeOwnThroat: actually, when you're logging in $COLUMNS doesn't appear to be available. And you can use all manner of variable inside a string variable, bash still does the parsing. I think you're right that it may become permanent and never reparsed though. |
| 14:49.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | ThePub, use the backslash directives that man bash lists under PROMPTING... |
| 14:50.33 | solifugus | I don't see what package provides Oracle for PHP? anyone by chance know? |
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| 14:52.06 | felixd | Hey, got a question. Anyone broke HDD with REsierFS ? :) |
| 14:52.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | ThePub, this is more for #bash... thy also have http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ - you're not by chance referring to FAQ #53 in some obscure way, are you? |
| 14:53.50 | felixd | It's strange, I've created ReiserFS on FreeAgent (Seagate. 1TB) then copied almost 1TB of data (need to backup server), then I've tried to get this backup back to working server and hdd stopped while I was copying datas. Now Linux and Windows doesn't recognize it. Do you think it's phisical hdd problem ? |
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| 14:55.18 | ThePub | CutMeOwnThroat: wouldn't know, don't have a web browser installed atm. just reading the man page for bash, before during and after connecting here and didn't see a solution. |
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| 14:56.10 | felixd | Hmm now I found sth on forums, I see people have problems with FreeAgent series |
| 14:56.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | felixd, what is "it" if the disk itself is not seen, that has nothing to do with the file system and should be hardware.. if the partitions are not seen, that also doesn't hae to do with the fs, but could be that the partition table got borked |
| 14:56.52 | felixd | CutMeOwnThroat: problem is I cannot acces anything on that hdd |
| 14:56.53 | felixd | ;) |
| 14:56.54 | felixd | ok |
| 14:57.08 | felixd | I guess it's FreeAgent series problem. Going to service then. |
| 14:57.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | ThePub, fancy colored prompt, bash doesn't correctly determine the lenght of the line |
| 14:58.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | felixd, look what dmesg tells you about detecting the disk... if it's one you can plug in and out just watch dmesg when you plug it in |
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| 14:58.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | i.e. before/after |
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| 14:59.45 | khaleel5000 | hi i have debian sid, i have broadcomm b4312 wifi card, the driver is b43.The thing is i have to at every reboot modprobe b43, it doesnt load automatically, how do i make b43 load automatically? |
| 15:00.36 | catsup | khaleel5000: add to /etc/modules |
| 15:01.26 | felixd | CutMeOwnThroat: I've alredy did it. It founds a device but then there is no access to /dev/sdX |
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| 15:02.50 | Wicla | Hello. When building ircd-ratbox 3.x (from source with apt-get) to get openssl support it warns that dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied with `libssl-dev'. This warning occurs both with sid and squeeze. Are it something that can be done to fix that problem or can it safely be ignored with `-d'? |
| 15:03.20 | khaleel5000 | catsup: thanks |
| 15:03.23 | Wicla | Tried with -d and it works correctly (with sid anyway) |
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| 15:04.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | felixd, you could try reading SMART |
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| 15:05.55 | felixd | CutMeOwnThroat: I was even trying some Seagate testing software for Windows without any good resoults :) |
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| 15:06.17 | anddam | hello |
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| 15:11.39 | felixd | CutMeOwnThroat: hmmm strange It work on my USB3 port (I've got Envy15 for a weak, never tried this HDD on it) |
| 15:11.48 | felixd | * It Works |
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| 15:12.57 | crono- | CutMeOwnThroat: dibbler? |
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| 15:16.09 | SlimG | Does Debian have a equivalent of GATEWAYDEV=ethX that other systems like RH has in /etc/sysconfig/network ? |
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| 15:16.59 | SlimG | so dhclient only adds routes from interfaces defined after GATEWAYDEV |
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| 15:19.46 | felixd | CutMeOwnThroat: hmmm still doesn't work :) I've managed to format it with parted but I can't copy anything on it ;) |
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| 15:24.15 | jaunny | Hi abrotman i am doudou, the ban me from fedora, forced to come back, anyway it is same problem with your distrib : cant connect gmail. the security model does not work with my home network, seem they changed something, and probably you changed something too. i would like to know what it is, give me the link |
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| 15:26.13 | anddam | abrotman: I have to admit I'm curious about what he's saying |
| 15:26.20 | abrotman | jaunny: this channel is not for Fedora support .. and personally, I have zero interest in attempting your decipher your *horrible* attempt at english, have a good day |
| 15:26.33 | abrotman | anddam: jaunny is a sentient spam bot |
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| 15:28.02 | jaunny | still alive abrotman ...i am speaking of debian security model for firefox and others. i found a site saying https broken and md5 broken |
| 15:28.03 | ThePub | CutMeOwnThroat: There might be sexier solutions, but: PS1="$(for ((i=0;i<$(tputs cols);i++)); do echo -n '-'; done)\n\w: " works. |
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| 15:28.10 | anddam | is debian.net related to debian.org? |
| 15:28.12 | jelly | SlimG: not really. if you have two dhclients (on, say, different interfaces), you may end up with two default routes |
| 15:28.22 | jaunny | there is debian.net? |
| 15:28.26 | abrotman | anddam: loosely .. |
| 15:28.27 | anddam | there is |
| 15:28.35 | anddam | similar theme but not exactly the same, that's why I asked |
| 15:28.40 | abrotman | jaunny: Debian does not have Firefox .. try again |
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| 15:28.54 | abrotman | anddam: they are DD pages for non-official services mostly |
| 15:29.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can type "firefox" on the commandline though and a browser comes up |
| 15:29.40 | anddam | abrotman: I asked as I couldn't find the user password for GNUstep Live that is on io.debian.net so I was wondering if that's in topic here or not |
| 15:30.14 | abrotman | anddam: well, you could msg tarzeau .. he was/is heavily involved in GNUStep stuff |
| 15:30.14 | jaunny | i lust be fast, ban will come very soon, maybe my last message, debian.net is not serious there is only one person. i beleive something strange about channels here, a link with gov aims? |
| 15:30.27 | abrotman | jaunny: please just go away |
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| 15:31.12 | themill | dpkg, hand out the tinfoil hats |
| 15:31.12 | dpkg | passes around the tinfoil hats to everyone on #debian and hope the black helicopters won't notice the shiny reflections from the tin foil... |
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| 15:31.21 | anddam | obviously I asked #gnustep but the chan is low traffic so chances are there are still questions from '90s waiting a reply |
| 15:31.23 | jaunny | but abrotman, i would only you gibve me a link to explain how scurity for brwoser works in debian |
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| 15:31.30 | jelly | jaunny: you're not being coherent enough. Please try using a channel with your native language. |
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| 15:31.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, will tehy protect us from the fallout? |
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| 15:31.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | oi, no! it smarts, it SMARTS!Q |
| 15:32.00 | anddam | abrotman: do you happen to know if tarzeau is the ~tar at io.debian.net ? |
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| 15:32.51 | cthulu` | whats the debian way to set your hostname? |
| 15:32.57 | jelly | cthulu`: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 15:32.58 | themill | anddam: I would assume so |
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| 15:33.14 | anddam | thanks |
| 15:33.55 | jelly | cthulu`: the reply from the bot should explain it |
| 15:33.58 | anddam | obviously I can boot into single user and change passwords but I'm curious about where such an info is on their site |
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| 15:34.20 | rpgdude | hey everyone |
| 15:34.41 | rpgdude | im having an issue doing apt-get upgrade |
| 15:34.53 | rpgdude | i have a package installed ia32-libs-workaround |
| 15:34.55 | skywind | hi, all |
| 15:34.56 | Posterdati | hi |
| 15:35.01 | rpgdude | that is causing package conflict |
| 15:35.16 | Posterdati | please I need to encode ogg files to mp3, is there an application for this? Tx |
| 15:35.21 | blackswan | hi. i want to generate a patch containing Index: lines. what tool does this? diff doesn't seem to by itself. |
| 15:35.28 | rpgdude | sox |
| 15:36.09 | Posterdati | ok thanks |
| 15:36.19 | rpgdude | is there anyway to force remove a package? |
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| 15:36.37 | masterkorp | hmmm, my Sagem fast 800 i giving me problems, i installed the firwmare ueagle-atm, but wvdial doesn't detect it, but dmesg says "modem operational" ? Any idea ? |
| 15:36.38 | stew | rpgdude: why do you think you need force? |
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| 15:36.49 | Posterdati | rpgdude: dpkg -e --force-all packagename |
| 15:36.51 | stew | rpgdude: show us what command you've tried and the output, use a pastebin |
| 15:37.04 | rpgdude | stew: because i need to update ia32-libs |
| 15:37.05 | stew | no, he shouldn't be using --force-all |
| 15:37.07 | jelly | Posterdati: that's usually a bad solution. |
| 15:37.10 | rozie | masterkorp: do you really need wvdial? |
| 15:37.17 | Posterdati | but it works |
| 15:37.20 | rpgdude | but ia32-libs-workaround needs to be removed first |
| 15:37.28 | stew | rpgdude: aptitude install ia32-libs |
| 15:37.34 | jelly | Posterdati: it often creates problems that are noticed later on |
| 15:37.41 | stew | rpgdude: aptitude install ia32-libs ia32-libs-workaround- |
| 15:37.42 | rozie | masterkorp: btw, which version of sagem f@st 800 do you have? |
| 15:37.49 | Posterdati | jelly: like what? |
| 15:37.51 | rozie | IIRC one of them neede extra patching |
| 15:37.56 | rozie | needed* |
| 15:38.02 | stew | Posterdati: unresolved dependencies |
| 15:38.08 | rpgdude | trying to overwrite '/usr/lib32/libcurl.so.4.2.0', which is also in package ia32-libs-workaround-499043 0.0.1+squeeze1 |
| 15:38.12 | rpgdude | see |
| 15:38.25 | jelly | Posterdati: leaving partial or broken configuration on the system, and the system trying to use it next time that package is installed |
| 15:38.26 | Posterdati | stew: of course it do |
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| 15:38.43 | stew | Posterdati: you think that breaking dependencies is the best solution to his problem? |
| 15:38.56 | Posterdati | stew: of course it do that, you should know what your package is doing on your system |
| 15:39.02 | rpgdude | i just need to remove the workaround package |
| 15:39.15 | masterkorp | rozie: yes i need, my sagem fast 800 version is the E3 |
| 15:39.17 | rpgdude | how can i do this |
| 15:39.32 | rpgdude | apt tries to install ia32-libs first |
| 15:39.39 | rpgdude | before removing workaround |
| 15:39.43 | stew | rpgdude: did my command not work? can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy ia32-libs ia32-libs-workaround" ? |
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| 15:40.17 | rozie | masterkorp: you may take a look on http://wonder.pl/index.php/Debian-Etch-eagle-atm |
| 15:40.32 | rozie | this method still works on my router |
| 15:40.35 | rpgdude | ia32-libs: |
| 15:40.35 | rpgdude | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.35 | rpgdude | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.35 | rpgdude | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:41.14 | Posterdati | sox could not encode mp3s |
| 15:41.27 | masterkorp | rozie: did you write a english page ? |
| 15:41.36 | rozie | but I have ver2. eagleII.fw |
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| 15:41.43 | rozie | masterkorp: sorry. use google translate |
| 15:41.59 | rpgdude | i got kicked |
| 15:42.04 | crono- | wb |
| 15:42.05 | ThePub | Posterdati: personally I'd use mencoder, but it would require reading the man page on your part -- it's pretty complex. |
| 15:42.10 | rpgdude | prolly should of used pastebin huh |
| 15:42.11 | themill | dpkg: tell rpgdude about paste |
| 15:42.26 | rozie | masterkorp: and I have pppoe, not pppoa (which is more common, I think) |
| 15:42.29 | Posterdati | ThePub: what about lame? |
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| 15:42.52 | ThePub | Posterdati: use what what you will, just answering your question with a solution I know works. :) |
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| 15:43.07 | Posterdati | ThePub: ok thanks |
| 15:43.19 | rpgdude | well what should i do? |
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| 15:44.43 | rpgdude | nm i figured it out |
| 15:44.48 | masterkorp | rozie: oh, but my problem is not the stability of the connection, is the modem isn't detect by wvdial, |
| 15:44.54 | rpgdude | i removed the package with dpkg -P |
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| 15:45.32 | rozie | masterkorp: it also describes how to get sagem running |
| 15:46.42 | rozie | masterkorp: I guess it'll be half of work to get this running any way, even with manual pppd file /etc/pppoe.conf |
| 15:46.50 | masterkorp | rozie: i have PPPoE too, but never had problems (suprisingly because, all the problems like this are happening to me all the time) |
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| 15:47.32 | rozie | masterkorp: try manual configuration at first. I don't know wvdial at all, sorry |
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| 15:47.45 | cthulu` | how good is webmin |
| 15:47.57 | masterkorp | rozie: i think the problem is that wvdial is not looking in the correct device port, how do i know what /dev/xxx is my modem associeted (dmesg doesn't say nothing ) |
| 15:48.03 | cthulu` | I know my stuff but i just dont wanna dedicate that much time to setting it all up |
| 15:48.13 | masterkorp | * associated ? |
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| 15:48.33 | djszapi | is there way to regenrate only the package with dpkg-buildpackage, but not recompile anything ? |
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| 15:49.31 | masterkorp | cthulu`: is pretty god, but i never used it much, i just prefer the console |
| 15:49.37 | rozie | masterkorp: check in dmesg if firmware is loaded |
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| 15:50.08 | stew | cthulu`: its use is typically strongly discouraged around here. it was removed from debian becuase it required constant work because of security problems and noobody wanted to do the work |
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| 15:50.32 | masterkorp | rozie: yes, it says "modem operational" |
| 15:50.39 | stew | cthulu`: well the webmin developers themselves wanted to do the work but they demonstrated that they had little understanding of how debian packages work, so their packages were rejected |
| 15:51.00 | rozie | masterkorp: OK. so it's just wvdial problem. won't help here |
| 15:51.08 | ThePub | Why you'd want to open up configuration to an http/https port is kind've strange anyways. SSH in changes would be more effective, especially if you have multiple headless boxes. |
| 15:51.44 | masterkorp | rozie: but do i know how i can see wich /dev/something is associated ? |
| 15:51.55 | masterkorp | *do you know |
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| 15:52.13 | masterkorp | rozie: sorry being a pain in the ass |
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| 15:54.06 | jargon- | how do i kill processes marked as <defunct> ? kill -9 not working |
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| 15:54.52 | catsup | jargon-: defunct processes are already dead |
| 15:55.01 | catsup | they just haven't been removed from the process list by their parent using wait() |
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| 15:55.25 | catsup | the parent is malfunctioning, kill the parent to kill the defunct process. don't kill init though. |
| 15:55.29 | jargon- | catsup: i see |
| 15:56.16 | catsup | use 'ps aux -H' to see a nice tree |
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| 16:04.20 | masterkorp | how do i see wich /dev/xxx is my modem located ? |
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| 16:05.34 | anddam | masterkorp: I'd grep dmesg |
| 16:07.55 | masterkorp | anddam: dmesg doesn't say nothing |
| 16:08.15 | anddam | that's weird, dmesg is pretty verbose AFAIR |
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| 16:08.40 | masterkorp | just says usb 1-1 and [ueagle-atm] things |
| 16:08.59 | masterkorp | and in the final says "modem operational" |
| 16:09.05 | anddam | pastebin |
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| 16:11.27 | abrotman | anddam: yes he is i believe |
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| 16:17.44 | masterkorp | anddam: that is a little bit difficult but here it is : persist persist |
| 16:17.44 | masterkorp | noauth noauth |
| 16:18.10 | masterkorp | anddam: http://pastebin.com/ZDrwwkkz |
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| 16:19.13 | H2S04 | err |
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| 16:19.48 | masterkorp | anddam: any idea ? |
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| 16:22.04 | ThePub | what package would have the installed kernels documentation/ tree? |
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| 16:27.44 | abrotman | or don't wait |
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| 16:30.49 | abrotman | ThePub: it's called the linux-doc package IIRC |
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| 16:47.42 | WormFood | why are the default settings in packages so inconsistent? I install privoxy and the default is nobody can use it....I install ziproxy and the default is everyone can use it....why so inconsistent. |
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| 16:48.30 | stew | WormFood: because they are maintained by different people |
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| 16:48.43 | stew | WormFood: if you think something should be changed, file a bug |
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| 16:49.02 | abrotman | wishlist bug probably |
| 16:49.29 | WormFood | yeah, I think the default should be changed on that kinda stuff....at the very least, it should be consistent |
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| 16:50.32 | stew | WormFood: file a wishlist bug on the package you think should be changed |
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| 16:54.33 | solifugus | How to install debian php/oracle connector things? |
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| 16:56.32 | freop | Hello, how can I get colors on manual? like man ls |
| 16:56.35 | tharkun | WormFood: Privoxy is king of the hill trying to preserve your privacy. The way it is configured will make you take care on what do you want to expose to the internet |
| 16:56.45 | freop | I remeber that gentoo has colors on man for example. |
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| 16:57.53 | stew | freop: install the less package. if that doesn't fix it, try "update-alternatives --config pager" to select /bin/less as the default pager |
| 16:58.09 | freop | it has colors by default¿ |
| 16:58.17 | freop | I use lees |
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| 16:59.04 | stew | freop: what does "readlink -f /usr/bin/pager" return? |
| 16:59.05 | tharkun | freop: you can also use most it does come with colors out of the blue |
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| 16:59.25 | freop | $ readlink -f /usr/bin/pager |
| 16:59.26 | freop | /bin/less |
| 16:59.43 | sanjoyd | Hi! Has anyone here managed to get Nvidia 9500 GT running? |
| 16:59.55 | sanjoyd | I downloaded and ran the driver installer from the NVidia site, but it does not work. |
| 17:00.05 | sanjoyd | "does not work" = I get a low-res display, that too on just one of my monitors. |
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| 17:00.20 | sanjoyd | Any pointers on how to proceed? |
| 17:00.33 | freop | ahmm most has colors then :) |
| 17:00.39 | jhutchins_lt | !nvidia |
| 17:00.39 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 17:01.09 | sanjoyd | jhutchins_lt: thanks! |
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| 17:02.16 | coppermine | trying to do a cross-compile for arm kernel, i get Makefile:1440: *** mixed implicit and normal rules. Stop. when making my makefile, what is this? |
| 17:02.58 | WormFood | tharkun, that still does not negate the fact that the 2 different proxies have completely different default settings for incoming connection....I'm just saying I think configurations like that should be at least consistent across different packages. |
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| 17:03.34 | tharkun | WormFood: the purpose of different proxies is different. There is no 1 configuration fits all |
| 17:04.07 | jhutchins_lt | Thats the whole point of having different packages. If they were the same, why would you have more than one? |
| 17:04.13 | WormFood | the purpose of a proxy is to proxy |
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| 17:04.28 | freop | kppnððððððððððððPPPððð |
| 17:04.32 | jhutchins_lt | At some point it is up to the user to configure the system for what the user wants to happen. |
| 17:04.33 | freop | thanks :) |
| 17:04.36 | tharkun | you can proxy for speed or for other reasons |
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| 17:05.00 | WormFood | and it is up to debian to set the defaults....and the defaults are inconsistent across different packages |
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| 17:05.27 | stew | WormFood: did you file a bug? |
| 17:05.30 | tharkun | WormFood: is up to upstream to provide sensible defaults for their programs and their pupose |
| 17:05.34 | WormFood | you think it is reasonable to install a proxy, and instantly have it available to the whole world with no config? is that sane? |
| 17:05.45 | tharkun | s/pupose/purpose/ |
| 17:05.49 | jhutchins_lt | WormFood: Not really. It's up to the package maintainer. I think you grant Debian more identity than it posesses. |
| 17:06.32 | WormFood | yes, I'm quite aware of how things work....I understand debian is just using the defaults with that software....I'm saying I think those default configs should be changed for things like this...IT MAKES SENSE! |
| 17:06.46 | jhutchins_lt | WormFood: If the purpose of the proxy is to provide a public proxy then yes, that's sane. |
| 17:07.03 | jhutchins_lt | WormFood: If it's to provide a private proxy with limited access, then that's different. |
| 17:07.04 | WormFood | very very few people want a public proxy |
| 17:07.37 | jhutchins_lt | WormFood: Then very few people will choose that package. |
| 17:07.56 | WormFood | but think about it....you install the package, and instantly you have a proxy ready for the whole world to use, with no config or anything like that....hell, why not use a blank root password for your first ssh connection too? it makes about as much sense |
| 17:08.12 | jhutchins_lt | WormFood: Actually, most of the proxy installations I know of are essentially public - on a private network. |
| 17:08.35 | WormFood | that is not "essentially public"....it is essentially PRIVATE |
| 17:08.51 | WormFood | it is for use on a PRIVATE network....that is not PUBLIC use |
| 17:09.07 | jhutchins_lt | If you want a system where all of the security thinking and learning is done for you there are a couple I can recommend. |
| 17:09.17 | WormFood | you miss my whole point |
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| 17:09.24 | jhutchins_lt | No, I dismiss it. |
| 17:09.39 | WormFood | god damn it! I'm not looking for the distro to hold my hand or do everything for me...I just want god damn sane default settings |
| 17:10.06 | stew | WormFood: so what's the problem then? |
| 17:10.21 | helo | default settings do tend to make sense, one way or another |
| 17:10.22 | stew | WormFood: why continue this argument here instead of just doing something about it and moving on...? |
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| 17:11.15 | WormFood | helo, say what you want, but I don't think installing a proxy it is sane to have set so the whole world can use it. |
| 17:11.24 | stew | WormFood: so file a bug! |
| 17:11.43 | WormFood | I would have filed so many bugs, if debian didn't FORCE me to use email to file bug reports. |
| 17:11.50 | stew | WormFood: which is a way to start a conversation about it with the person that could actually effect the change you want, instead of the people you are talking to here who cannot |
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| 17:12.03 | stew | WormFood: then just drop it |
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| 17:12.41 | stew | WormFood: you are unlikely to convince someone here to send email for you if you don't want to send it yourself |
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| 17:13.59 | WormFood | I think it is stupid to force people to use email to file bug reports....so I don't file bug reports for debian (I do file bug reports for other projects, when they don't make it hard on me) |
| 17:14.27 | babilen | WormFood: What is so hard about "reportbug PKG" ? |
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| 17:14.55 | themill | dpkg: tell WormFood about ranting |
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| 17:15.01 | helo | hah |
| 17:15.15 | themill | WormFood: you might find people who care somewhere else. Complaining here is not going to improve things at all |
| 17:15.43 | solifugus | i cannot seem to get connected to a repository that has oracle drivers for php... I want to cry. |
| 17:16.23 | solifugus | all tutorials are out of date... it seems |
| 17:17.03 | helo | wonders if the support contract that comes with oracle stuff would provide them |
| 17:17.03 | WormFood | funny, but it seems you guys complain more about my comments/rants/complains than I initially say |
| 17:17.03 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: How about checking Oracle for documentation and support? |
| 17:17.30 | solifugus | it's a labrynth.. full of contractictory info.. |
| 17:18.21 | solifugus | I can look more.. but, is there a way to translate this to an up-to-date repo? deb http://oss.oracle.com/debian unstable main non-free |
| 17:18.35 | solifugus | hmm... |
| 17:18.42 | solifugus | oracle.com |
| 17:19.17 | WormFood | solifugus, what branch of debian are you running? (stable, testing, etc) |
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| 17:22.15 | karlpinc_ | My gnome-screensaver displays xml markup in the dialog box asking for the password to unlock the screen. This happned first when lenny was testing, and someone helped me -- perhaps a re-install of some package. It came back, maybe on the upgrade when lenny went stable. Anyway, I tried "aptitude reinstall gnome-screensaver" and that did not seem to fix the problem. What to do? |
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| 17:29.02 | _strog | hi i wanted to know how to find out if i installed debian lenny |
| 17:29.38 | jhutchins_lt | _strog: Well, let's see. Is your computer running faster and better than before? |
| 17:29.54 | jhutchins_lt | _strog: Is it still nagging you to upgrade the the professional version? |
| 17:29.56 | dreamer | haha |
| 17:30.05 | jhutchins_lt | _strog: Have you inserted any CD or DVD lately? |
| 17:30.19 | dreamer | jhutchins_lt: I think he wants to know if it's lenny or some other version. or not _strog ? |
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| 17:30.35 | _strog | i got 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 17:30.40 | _strog | as uname -r |
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| 17:31.08 | stew | _strog: check "lsb_release -a" if that is installed |
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| 17:31.39 | jhutchins_lt | _strog: Also check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:32.01 | _strog | well it says lenny |
| 17:32.02 | jhutchins_lt | _strog: That kernel is the standard Lenny kernel. |
| 17:32.13 | Misterangry`1 | anybody here running Lenny on an iBook G4? |
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| 17:33.12 | jhutchins_lt | _strog: I think we can safely conclude that Yes, you have installed lenny on your system. |
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| 17:33.28 | babilen | Misterangry`1: Probably, but the likelihood might be higher in #debianppc on freenode and oftc |
| 17:33.57 | Misterangry`1 | oh |
| 17:33.58 | _strog | but when i start an installation script, it tells me that it needs lenny 5.0.4 |
| 17:34.15 | Misterangry`1 | awesome, didn't realize there was such a channel |
| 17:34.46 | jhutchins_lt | Misterangry`1: Doesn't guarantee anybody's awake in it, but it's there. |
| 17:35.09 | stew | _strog: what does "lsb_release -r" say? |
| 17:35.09 | jhutchins_lt | _strog: Ah, you may have an earlier version of it. |
| 17:35.14 | karlpinc_ | What's the gnome config editor called? |
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| 17:35.38 | babilen | Misterangry`1: But it might also be a good idea to ask your *real* question in here. You never know who might have an idea ... (Even though not everybody is using ppc hardware) |
| 17:36.09 | babilen | karlpinc_: do you mean gconf-editor? |
| 17:36.20 | _strog | jhutchins_lt: well how to i get to that version? |
| 17:36.27 | karlpinc_ | babilen: Yes. Thanks. |
| 17:37.11 | stew | _strog: do you really need 5.0.4? or do you need "5.0.4 or later"? we'd expect you to be running 5.0.6, which is the current version |
| 17:37.24 | stew | _strog: does "lsb_release -r" work? |
| 17:37.42 | Misterangry`1 | any idea what "Could not open keyboard input device" means when coming out of standby on battery power, anyone? |
| 17:37.45 | jhutchins_lt | _strog: You can upgrade to 5.0.6 by doing a network-based upgrade. |
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| 17:38.29 | babilen | _strog: Further details on the installation script and the exact error(s) might also be a good idea. Paste applicable information to http://paste.debian.net |
| 17:39.24 | _strog | jhutchins_lt: and i enter apt-get distupgrade? |
| 17:39.54 | _strog | babilen: well problem is that it is in english |
| 17:40.30 | _strog | i mean not in english |
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| 17:40.55 | jhutchins_lt | _strog: Yes, I usually recommend aptitude update && aptiude upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. |
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| 17:41.08 | _strog | and it is like an alternate installation |
| 17:41.12 | babilen | _strog: prepend LANG=C in front of the commands that produce the non-English output |
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| 17:42.06 | babilen | _strog: What does "alternate installation" mean? |
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| 17:42.37 | babilen | _strog: But please upgrade your system first⦠that might be all you need. If the error persists provide more information. |
| 17:42.54 | _strog | babilen: well in no fancy wancy gui |
| 17:43.07 | sanjoyd | Hi! I just installed the Nvidia driver using m-a as described in the Debian wiki. As of now, I get a proper display on one screen (1920X1080), but a 640 x 480 display on the other. |
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| 17:43.42 | sanjoyd | xrandr shows just one screen. |
| 17:44.22 | cahoot | I wonder if xrandr can play well with nvidia's driver |
| 17:44.45 | sanjoyd | Also, my xorg.conf has only one Monitor entry, I generated it with nvidia-xconfig --twinview |
| 17:44.50 | sanjoyd | cahoot: what do you suggest? |
| 17:45.18 | cahoot | doesn't nvida offer some config tool? |
| 17:45.43 | sanjoyd | tries. |
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| 17:56.22 | neurolysis | anyone know a decent time tracker in the repos? |
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| 18:00.18 | babilen | neurolysis: hamster, gnotime, ⦠? |
| 18:00.38 | neurolysis | thanks |
| 18:00.42 | solifugus | WormFood: Debian lenny... (sorry for the late reply) |
| 18:01.41 | babilen | neurolysis: Try: "apt-cache search time tracker" |
| 18:01.55 | neurolysis | babilen: well, i did that |
| 18:02.01 | neurolysis | but i was mostly looking for opinions on what was good |
| 18:02.47 | babilen | neurolysis: ah, no idea :) hamster works fine but you might need something more advanced .. |
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| 18:02.55 | solifugus | neurolysis: Your nick is the same as cordotomy? |
| 18:03.13 | solifugus | semantically, speaking.. |
| 18:03.27 | neurolysis | solifugus: used this handle for many years, along with findstr and longliveacorn |
| 18:03.41 | neurolysis | but yes |
| 18:03.42 | neurolysis | it is :p |
| 18:03.53 | solifugus | my other handle is Neurotrophin. |
| 18:04.08 | neurolysis | babilen: not really, just looking for something i can start/stop and it gives me a good exportable datasheet |
| 18:04.13 | solifugus | It's the aspect of neurons most tragically neglected by AI. |
| 18:04.27 | neurolysis | well, as was once said by a great man |
| 18:04.42 | neurolysis | there is no aspect of humanity so complex that it cannot be modelled by a machine. |
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| 18:05.25 | XTF | Why is /home/<user>/ world readable by default? |
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| 18:06.26 | helo | s/humanity/the universe/? |
| 18:06.49 | stew | XTF: run "dpkg-reconfigure adduser" to change this setting for future users |
| 18:06.50 | neurolysis | helo: just a poor paraphrase by a tired nerd :) |
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| 18:07.00 | XTF | stew: That's not an answer to my question |
| 18:07.02 | helo | XTF: in the spirit of open source! |
| 18:07.13 | stew | XTF: sorry to bother you |
| 18:07.29 | XTF | helo: Hehe |
| 18:07.33 | XTF | Just doesn't make sense to me |
| 18:07.37 | neurolysis | XTF: i answer your question with another, why shouldn't it be? |
| 18:07.50 | XTF | Privacy / security reasons |
| 18:07.52 | solifugus | neurolysis: yes. my c++ model for neurons does really well at classification and identification of phenomenon--spatial/temporal/abstract, unlike conventional neural nets trained to identify specific things. But, the fastest computer theoretically possible cannot run anything meaningful in real-time. I am working hard on an FPGA implementation where a very small device could do that with ease. |
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| 18:08.40 | babilen | solifugus: As interesting as this is, #debian is not the right channel. Try #debian-offtopic :) |
| 18:08.43 | solifugus | neurolysis: neurons are very slow individually, but ten billion working all at once is really hard to match.. It's the fluid dynamics that computers are virtually incapable of. |
| 18:08.48 | solifugus | yes.. correc.t. |
| 18:08.56 | neurolysis | solifugus: I'm inclined to say good enough AI will happen soon enough. But I think a good measure of consciousness is not to measure the end result. |
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| 18:09.05 | neurolysis | and yes, offtopic :p |
| 18:09.07 | helo | "but safe defaults are the foundation of good security!" |
| 18:09.29 | neurolysis | XTF: true, but sadly security is not #1 in debian |
| 18:09.44 | solifugus | ok.. how to install oracle/php drivers on debian... this is really frustrating.. |
| 18:09.47 | XTF | helo: I know, hence my question |
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| 18:12.31 | helo | XTF: dunno... perhaps default unreadable home directories do not result in significant protection from most threats? |
| 18:12.39 | jhutchins_lt | This system has a netinstall of squeeze from the unetbootin installer, but it seems to be missing some of the keys for the debian.org repos. |
| 18:12.43 | dkr | I'm having a brain freeze. any other reason why I'd get "command not found" when I just chmod 755'd a script. all dirs above it readable, too. strace shows execve returning -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
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| 18:13.59 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: and debian-archive-keyring is installed and the latest version? |
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| 18:14.12 | babilen | thaws dkr's brain |
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| 18:15.01 | jhutchins_lt | archive? |
| 18:15.05 | babilen | dkr: Paste command+output to http;//paste.debian.net -- also make sure to either have it in your PATH or use an absolute or relative path (e.g. ./program) |
| 18:15.19 | dkr | bangpath is valid, too. but based on strace it's not gettnig to that point anyway. |
| 18:15.39 | babilen | bangpath? |
| 18:15.48 | XTF | dkr: Wrong platform? |
| 18:15.49 | themill | shebang |
| 18:15.52 | dkr | #!/usr/bin/perl |
| 18:15.57 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: Yes, 2010.8.28 |
| 18:16.07 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: What error do you get? |
| 18:16.07 | jhutchins_lt | beep, for instance, complained of being unsigned. |
| 18:16.23 | babilen | dkr: So you can execute your script it just fails to find the perl interpreter? |
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| 18:16.50 | dkr | babilen: no. it's failing to find the script. pasting |
| 18:17.15 | themill | dkr: does the script have windows line endings rather than unix ones? |
| 18:17.20 | jhutchins_lt | I have multimedia enabled, but nothing seems to play a mu3 playlist. |
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| 18:18.16 | dkr | http://paste.debian.net/100471/ |
| 18:18.37 | dkr | themill: we have a winner |
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| 18:19.18 | dkr | I had downloaded the plugin from nagios.org and modified it myself. dos2unix resolved is for me. thanks |
| 18:19.26 | themill | \o/ |
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| 18:20.47 | babilen | !themill++ |
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| 18:21.13 | jhutchins_lt | Good grief, the squeeze team has been working hard lately. 71 updates! |
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| 18:22.45 | hotwings | im using fakeroot make-kpkg to build a custom kernel. i read that by default this wont take advantage of multi-core cpu's. how do you use/enable multiple cpu core compiling with fakeroot make-kpkg? |
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| 18:23.29 | cahoot | hotwings: read the man page - not CONCURRENCY_LEVEL |
| 18:23.38 | cahoot | s/not/note/ |
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| 18:24.25 | dkr | I guess I misunderstood strace output, too. execve with arg of script returning file not found was confusing me. :) but that's the actual syscall that reads the script and tries to exec the interpreter. forgot about that |
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| 18:24.38 | dkr | XTF++ |
| 18:24.44 | dkr | he also had it right, :) |
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| 18:25.33 | Miya_ | Gulug: =P |
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| 18:29.21 | hotwings | looks like adding --jobs X is the solution.. does make-kpkg log its command-line options so i can be sure it was used? |
| 18:29.49 | hotwings | this test compile doesnt look like its going any faster |
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| 18:30.39 | helo | i thought it was just export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=X |
| 18:31.09 | stew | helo: yes, look at the documentation of the option he's talking about |
| 18:32.38 | hotwings | strange, this ion box uses an intel atom d510 dual core but it shows as having 4 cores |
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| 18:35.58 | helo | hyperthreading? |
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| 18:38.25 | XTF | What's the ETA for Squeeze? |
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| 18:38.38 | stew | XTF: there isn't one |
| 18:38.40 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 18:38.40 | dpkg | Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>, perhaps by Christmas 2010 if you help ... http://lists.debian.org/20101005202925.GU4622@halon.org.uk. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101116b . See also <guess the release date>. |
| 18:38.56 | stew | perhaps by Christmas 2010 says who? |
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| 18:39.25 | jordanm | stew: says my squeeze bet! i didn't put that in the factoid though |
| 18:39.37 | jordanm | !factinfo wwsr |
| 18:39.37 | dpkg | wwsr -- last modified at Thu Oct 16 12:36:40 2008 by abrotman!n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman; it has been requested 414 times, last by abrotman, 57s ago. |
| 18:39.38 | stew | ahh, i guess the release team said that is not impossible |
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| 18:40.07 | abrotman | i already lost in the pool |
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| 18:45.33 | hotwings | wow, that worked GREAT |
| 18:45.49 | hotwings | thanks cahoot |
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| 18:50.05 | kish_ | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=363516 |
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| 18:51.46 | stew | kish_: do you have a question? |
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| 18:51.59 | kish_ | huh |
| 18:52.38 | nvz | I have tor running and IW says tor enabled.. but its still revealing my IP |
| 18:52.50 | kish_ | does that post not show that the openssl random bug was known in 2006, two years before it went public |
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| 18:53.04 | BerMeJo | hi all |
| 18:53.10 | kish_ | nvz, what on earth is iw |
| 18:53.19 | nvz | kish_: iceweasel |
| 18:53.23 | nvz | welcome to debian |
| 18:53.48 | kish_ | im on ubuntu ;) it's basically the same! |
| 18:53.55 | jordanm | no... |
| 18:53.55 | nvz | not really |
| 18:54.02 | stew | kish_: no, it says the opposite |
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| 18:54.30 | nvz | anywho. I guess its tor I have misconfigured cause IW seems to be connecting to tor fine |
| 18:54.33 | kish_ | "the uninitializedness taints all the users of the |
| 18:54.34 | kish_ | openssl random number generator" |
| 18:54.46 | kish_ | What about that |
| 18:54.50 | sanjoyd | I'm having trouble getting my second display to display a correct resolution. |
| 18:54.59 | nvz | I just don't know what the problem is. I thought TOR was suppose to give me a divverent IP every time I make an http connection |
| 18:55.06 | kish_ | i mean, it says uninitialized and taint in context of openssl random numbers |
| 18:55.09 | sanjoyd | I'm using GT 9500, with one display connected to DVI (which has a correct resolution) and the other connected to the VGA. |
| 18:55.27 | sanjoyd | The one connected to the VGA one is (like the one connected to the DVI) a 1920x1080 display, but shows up as a 640x480 display, even in nvidia-settings. |
| 18:55.31 | danieldg | kish_: taint in this case likely refers to uninitialized data tracking |
| 18:55.33 | sanjoyd | What am I doing wrong? |
| 18:55.42 | kish_ | nvz, if it's revealing your true ip... |
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| 18:56.19 | jordanm | nvz: things like flash and java ignore your browser's proxy settings |
| 18:56.33 | nvz | jordanm: I'm just going to whatismyip.com |
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| 18:56.43 | jordanm | nvz: and no, you don't get a new exit node each connection |
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| 18:57.03 | stew | kish_: perhaps you don't understand why the change was introduced. do you? |
| 18:57.14 | kish_ | tor setup properly should not show your true ip on whatismyip.com |
| 18:57.24 | kish_ | stew, i dont understand coder lingo, no. |
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| 18:57.34 | stew | kish_: what are you trying to figure out then? |
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| 18:57.47 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
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| 18:58.28 | kish_ | stew, whether there was malicious intent involved, basically |
| 18:58.33 | stew | kish_: definately not |
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| 18:58.52 | kish_ | that settles it |
| 18:58.57 | nvz | Your IP Address Is: 67.163.183.55 is what its telling me at whatismyip.com with the tor daemon running and IW connected to it |
| 18:59.07 | nvz | and that IS my ip.. which is the problem.. heh |
| 18:59.16 | nvz | I want it to change each time I load this page |
| 18:59.23 | stew | kish_: this change was proposed to the upstream developers before it was made, and upstream developers said they were in favor of the change, which doesn't seem like the kind of thing you'd do if you were trying to sneak something in maliciously |
| 18:59.30 | jordanm | nvz: you have to configure the browser to use your tor proxy |
| 19:00.00 | nvz | jordanm: I have done that. I have the tor button, and its working. its connecting to 127.0.0.1:8123 |
| 19:00.22 | nvz | I'll try just doing it using the IW prefs and not the tor button |
| 19:00.36 | BerMeJo | anybody can help me with alsa problem and speakers buzzz ?? -> http://pastebin.com/HNt5ae8D |
| 19:00.50 | ThePub | turn the volume down? ;p |
| 19:01.21 | BerMeJo | yesterday i safe-upgrade my system |
| 19:01.38 | nvz | same result with the tor button off and the proxy defined in IW.. |
| 19:01.50 | nvz | so obviously tor isn't working right |
| 19:01.52 | kish_ | nvz, are you even running privoxy? |
| 19:02.06 | nvz | no, I didn't know privoxy was required |
| 19:02.09 | jordanm | nvz: there is a #tor iirc |
| 19:02.17 | kish_ | now you know ;) |
| 19:02.27 | cahoot | BerMeJo: simply running /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset <card#> doesn't do the trick? |
| 19:02.36 | nvz | ah.. I've only ever used the vidalia suite on windows.. didn't know what all was needed on here |
| 19:03.08 | BerMeJo | cahoot: no |
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| 19:03.14 | kish_ | you need tor, privoxy and proxy set to 127.0.0.1 |
| 19:03.34 | kish_ | and whatever port privoxy listens to |
| 19:03.37 | nvz | kish_: gonna try setting up privoxy then.. ;) |
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| 19:04.16 | BerMeJo | cahoot: the problem continue |
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| 19:05.22 | nvz | kish_: I was wondering why the tor button was looking to port 8118 and I seen polipo running on 0123.. heh. Thanks.. this should work now. |
| 19:05.29 | solifugus | How might one correct this? W: Failed to fetch http://oss.oracle.com/debian/dists/unstable/Release Unable to find expected entry main/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 19:05.30 | indrora | Anyone know how to make intel_hda switch between headphones and speakers? I'm on a realtek chipset. |
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| 19:08.45 | kish_ | plug them in indrora |
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| 19:08.58 | indrora | kish_, sound comes out both when I do that. |
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| 19:09.15 | nvz | bah.. still showing my IP |
| 19:09.19 | kish_ | look at the sound settings thingy |
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| 19:09.35 | stew | indrora: what does "cat /proc/asound/version" return? |
| 19:09.37 | indrora | kish_, I'm not on a GNOME environment. |
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| 19:09.39 | kish_ | nvz, that means the proxy isnt getting iw requests |
| 19:09.46 | kish_ | indrora, ouch ;( |
| 19:10.01 | indrora | stew, Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.21. |
| 19:10.08 | kish_ | nvz, set all your iw proxy fields to use localhost 8118 |
| 19:10.08 | nvz | kish_: its set to 127.0.0.1:8118 which is what netstat shows privoxy running on |
| 19:10.09 | BerMeJo | cahoot: i have it, i only mute jack output, sorry for inconvenence and thank you for help |
| 19:10.32 | nvz | kish_: tried it both with the tor button and with the IW settings |
| 19:10.50 | stew | indrora: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 19:10.53 | nvz | kish_: if it were not hitting the proxy it would not be loading the page at all |
| 19:10.56 | indrora | stew, squeeze. |
| 19:10.57 | kish_ | it would be easier if i could see what you're doing |
| 19:11.08 | stew | indrora: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 19:11.16 | kish_ | like being on vnc and watching. im surprised nobody uses that program on irc |
| 19:11.19 | indrora | stew, The problem is the chipset. Its a Realtek that treats the headphones as a seperate out. |
| 19:11.26 | nvz | bad proxy settings do not result in invalid ip showing, it results in no page loading |
| 19:11.33 | indrora | stew, 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 19:11.50 | stew | indrora: i'd recommend trying "/msg dpkg new alsa" would would get your alsa version up to 1.0.23 |
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| 19:11.56 | nvz | wrong IP means there is no anonmyzing going on |
| 19:12.10 | indrora | stew, this happens on Sid too. |
| 19:12.34 | indrora | stew, plus, ubuntu has a hard time -- I have to set something special in alsa |
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| 19:13.06 | stew | indrora: yeah, i'd expect the exact same behaviour in sid since they have the same kernels |
| 19:13.41 | stew | indrora: i've seen this problem before with intel_hda in squeeze |
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| 19:13.49 | stew | by "i've seen" i mean "i've had" |
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| 19:14.29 | indrora | stew, Codec: Realtek ALC889A |
| 19:14.43 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions mplayer-plugin |
| 19:14.44 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'mplayer-plugin' was found in i386. |
| 19:14.59 | kish_ | nvz, if you setup the proxy correctly and you still are seeing your real ip then obviously tor isnt doing its job |
| 19:15.11 | kish_ | something configured poorly along the anonymizing chain |
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| 19:15.50 | kish_ | make sure connects to tor only |
| 19:15.53 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions mplayerplug-in |
| 19:15.54 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'mplayerplug-in' was found in i386. |
| 19:15.55 | nvz | kish_: I glanced at the configs for privoxy/tor but havent changed anything.. |
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| 19:16.44 | indrora | Hmm, it looks like, stew, that I need to add "option=hp" to snd-hda-intel |
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| 19:18.03 | emaia | Hello |
| 19:18.20 | ale_ale | Hi. I'm trying to mount a hfs+ truecrypt volume on debian, previously having had journaling disabled and hfsplus package installed, but I don't succeed mounting the volume. When typing "truecrypt --filesystem=hfs /dev/sda2 /media/disk" mount says: "Error: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mapper/truecrypt1" and tells me to check the dmesg, which says in the last three lines "[633995.494981] hfs: unable to find HFS+ super |
| 19:18.20 | ale_ale | [633995.501682] device-mapper: ioctl: unable to remove open device truecrypt1; [634133.443738] hfs: can't find a HFS filesystem on dev dm-3." Any idea what could be wrong? thanks |
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| 19:19.17 | kish_ | is ext4 the debian filesystem of choice now or is that just ubuntu |
| 19:19.24 | emaia | i want to uninstall with silent mode a mysql server with: dpkg --purge mysql-server-5.0 |
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| 19:19.48 | nvz | kish_: not in lenny, but in future versions.. |
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| 19:20.17 | emaia | The problem it's debconf ask to keep or delete the files. Does have dpkg na option to force (--force-yes) ? |
| 19:20.35 | stew | kish_: no, its marked as experimental in the current debian stable kernel |
| 19:21.07 | stew | emaia: try doing it with "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive" |
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| 19:26.18 | emaia | stew: thanks. It works, but uses the default option == NO and i want YES. Do you know if it's possible? Thks |
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| 19:36.43 | nvz | kish_: still no luck, getting a 503 now, netstat http://paste.debian.net/100485/ seems to show it all working though now that I added the socks4a forward in the privoxy config |
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| 19:38.17 | indrora | I tried upgrading alsa like I was told by dpkg, and I get two lines and then Nothing from modprobeL |
| 19:38.22 | indrora | WARNING: Could not read '/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/sound/core/snd-page-alloc.ko': No such file or directory |
| 19:38.22 | indrora | FATAL: Could not read '/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/sound/core/snd.ko': No such file or directory |
| 19:38.37 | kish_ | nvz, what does your proxy setup in iceweasel say |
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| 19:39.11 | nvz | kish_: the netstat output indicates that.. but its 127.0.0.1:8118 on all protocols |
| 19:39.20 | HackeMate | when I let a ssh session idle, I need close console and relog again, is there a way to avoid this timeout? |
| 19:39.35 | indrora | HackeMate, Sounds like a network problem. |
| 19:39.47 | kish_ | nvz, not netstat. what did you put in iceweasel |
| 19:39.47 | HackeMate | no, it works perfectly if I use it, just when idle |
| 19:39.49 | kish_ | the gui |
| 19:39.51 | indrora | I have ssh sessions open for days on end, and I don't have problems. |
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| 19:40.11 | HackeMate | yes, sometimes me too, may be a ssh server missconfiguration? |
| 19:40.26 | kish_ | hackemate, maybe the sshd_config has timeouts or something similar setup |
| 19:40.43 | HackeMate | I go se |
| 19:40.49 | kish_ | can you paste the sshd_config |
| 19:40.53 | nvz | kish_: dude, don't mean to be rude but I just told you I put in 127.0.0.1:8118 in all protocols.. and netstat output SHOWS exactly what is happening.. |
| 19:40.59 | HackeMate | i'll try |
| 19:41.07 | kish_ | nvz, i didnt catch that sorry |
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| 19:41.38 | nvz | firefox goes to 127.0.0.1:8118 which is privoxy, then privoxy goes to client port 9050 which is tor |
| 19:41.42 | HackeMate | http://pastebin.com/Yn6zVHA4 |
| 19:42.04 | kish_ | nvz, and your wan ip is used to transfer http stuff? |
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| 19:42.32 | nvz | kish_: no idea what you mean. I am not getting to the internet anymore |
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| 19:42.53 | kish_ | so now the internet is broken? sounds like tor is working |
| 19:43.01 | nvz | kish_: heh |
| 19:43.21 | kish_ | so it's narrowed down to tor not doing it's job right |
| 19:43.29 | kish_ | are you running vidalia? |
| 19:43.33 | nvz | pretty much. |
| 19:43.49 | nvz | kish_: uh, no.. afaik that is a windows only thing |
| 19:44.08 | kish_ | is it? |
| 19:44.33 | nvz | I believe so.. its an all-in-one dummy package for windows |
| 19:45.13 | nvz | I installed tor and privoxy, nothing was happening, it was still showing my IP, so I added "forward-socks4a / 127.0.0.1:9050 ." to my privoxy config, now I have no access to the web |
| 19:45.23 | nvz | so its apparently tor thats not working |
| 19:45.35 | indrora | So I upgraded alsa |
| 19:45.38 | indrora | and I can't load it |
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| 19:45.41 | kish_ | what does the tor log say |
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| 19:45.47 | indrora | "Starting alsa.... None loaded" |
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| 19:46.18 | indrora | I can't get sound |
| 19:46.25 | indrora | and re-installing linux-sound-base doesn't help |
| 19:46.56 | indrora | Anyone? |
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| 19:47.28 | nvz | kish_: hmm.. all the most recent lines seem to talk about application request when we're believe to be offline. then it tries for 120 seconds to get a connection then gives up. |
| 19:47.41 | kish_ | there's your problem |
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| 19:48.23 | nvz | kish_: yeah well idk how to fix that. other than to stop privoxy and restart tor and hope it connects |
| 19:48.45 | kish_ | keep restarting tor |
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| 19:49.39 | nvz | stops privoxy, restarts tor, and does a less -S +F /var/log/tor/log |
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| 19:50.24 | nvz | wonder if running ntpdate would help |
| 19:50.31 | nvz | my clock is seriously f'n off |
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| 19:53.25 | nvz | hmm.. f'n tor just doesn;t seem to be working at all. gets to Bootstrapped 25%: Loading networkstatus consensus. and thats about it |
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| 19:54.21 | abrotman | nvz: there is a #tor on irc.oftc.net .. not sure if it's devel or support |
| 19:54.44 | nvz | abrotman: I'm in #tor on this server.. I'll look there as well I suppose.. |
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| 19:55.18 | nvz | never worked this much just to achieve the simple task of an anonymous web browsing |
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| 20:01.48 | kishy | nvz, just a quick point because i see something i mihgt know about |
| 20:02.06 | nvz | kishy: problem solved.. it was in fact my clock |
| 20:02.08 | kishy | ntpdate corrects the problem with my box running debian. it has no means for storing the date/time at poweroff |
| 20:02.17 | nvz | as soon as I ran ntpdate tor started working |
| 20:02.35 | nvz | kishy: my issue was with tor.. I don't give two shits what time this box says |
| 20:02.43 | kishy | lol |
| 20:02.44 | nvz | just so happens the clock issue was the tor issue |
| 20:03.02 | kishy | nvz, regardless, good that it works. but yeah, ntpdate works well |
| 20:03.05 | nvz | I ran ntpdate, restarted tor, it connected immediately |
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| 20:03.29 | nvz | the reason the time is so fucked on this box is cause I randomly swap HDs and OSes on it |
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| 20:03.49 | kish_ | kishy, wth |
| 20:04.03 | kish_ | nvz, great! |
| 20:04.15 | kishy | it's a modified form of my name, kish_ |
| 20:04.24 | kish_ | your name is kish? |
| 20:04.34 | kishy | i said modified, and not which name |
| 20:04.38 | nvz | apparently tor will not work if your time is not in sync. I seen a warning about being 3 hrs or so behind.. but usually a warning doesnt effect usage |
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| 20:05.16 | kish_ | odd that your nickname is so alike to my own |
| 20:05.20 | nvz | starts privoxy back up |
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| 20:05.46 | kishy | kish_: i've used one form or another of this in slight modification for the last 10 years |
| 20:06.08 | nvz | Your IP Address Is: 72.189.210.193 :) HAH! But its not! |
| 20:06.14 | nvz | def working now! |
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| 20:07.24 | nvz | only ptoblem now is, its not changing |
| 20:07.32 | nvz | I need it to keep changing |
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| 20:10.24 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 20:10.49 | Azrael_- | i want to enable ssl for apache in squeeze. how can i generate the certificates? |
| 20:13.17 | kish_ | azrael_-, you do it with openssl |
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| 20:19.27 | Azrael_- | when i try to connect i get this error: http://pastebin.com/nuamGTKV |
| 20:19.34 | Azrael_- | the first 2 lines are from the ssl-config |
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| 20:20.28 | Quibus | hi all |
| 20:20.53 | Quibus | I have this problem: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib32/libidn.la', which is also in package ia32-libs-workaround-499043 0.0.1+lenny1 |
| 20:21.04 | Quibus | I wonder how I got that weird workaround package :S |
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| 20:22.12 | fubada | hi. does anyone know if its possible to use netstat/tcpdump to figure out the transfer rate on a current established http connection/session |
| 20:22.14 | stew | Quibus: probably by following this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=499043#92 |
| 20:22.31 | fubada | outgoing |
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| 20:22.46 | fubada | maybe ntop |
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| 20:23.05 | jelly-home | Quibus: sounds like you're running debian testing or unstable! |
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| 20:23.18 | jelly-home | or are you? |
| 20:23.22 | Quibus | ah, I might have done that |
| 20:23.26 | Quibus | testing of course |
| 20:23.57 | Quibus | the workaround is now in my way, I guess |
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| 20:25.14 | Quibus | now, how do I resolve it? |
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| 20:26.13 | Quibus | It seems I get all my 32-bit packages removed if I just remove it |
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| 20:28.00 | jelly-home | even if you remove it using dpkg? |
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| 20:30.33 | Quibus | jelly-home: I have no alternative installed... |
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| 20:31.11 | Quibus | well, dpkg -r removed it |
| 20:31.28 | Quibus | I wonder if Flash still works then |
| 20:31.35 | Azrael_- | k, works now |
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| 20:34.02 | rpgdude | it looks like pulseaudio in lenny-backports depends on udev version not in lenny |
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| 20:35.01 | stew | judd: depends pulseaudio --release lenny-backports |
| 20:35.04 | judd | Package pulseaudio -- depends: libasound2 (>> 1.0.18), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcap1, libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libgdbm3, libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libltdl7 (>= 2.2.6b), libpulse0 (= 0.9.21-3~bpo50+1), libsamplerate0, libsm6, libsndfile1 (>= 1.0.20), libspeexdsp1 (>= 1.2~beta3.2-1), libx11-6, libxtst6, adduser, lsb-base (>= 3.2-13), consolekit, udev (>= 143). |
| 20:35.16 | stew | jude: versions udev |
| 20:35.23 | stew | judd: versions udev |
| 20:35.24 | judd | Package udev on i386 -- etch: 0.105-4etch1; etch-security: 0.105-4etch1; lenny-security: 0.125-7+lenny1; lenny: 0.125-7+lenny3; sid: 164-2; squeeze: 164-2 |
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| 20:35.43 | stew | rpgdude: i'd write to the backports list |
| 20:35.57 | Xanbreon | Does anyone know which package the gnome panel clock is in..? |
| 20:36.06 | Xanbreon | my googlefoo is weak today |
| 20:36.16 | rpgdude | maybe i should log a bug using reportbug |
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| 20:38.11 | stew | rpgdude: no, you should report it to the backports mailing list |
| 20:38.38 | stew | rpgdude: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/#index5h2 |
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| 20:39.21 | stew | Xanbreon: gnome-panel: /usr/lib/gnome-panel/libclock-applet.so |
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| 20:39.35 | Xanbreon | urk, really? |
| 20:39.38 | Xanbreon | Thanks |
| 20:39.52 | rpgdude | ok |
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| 20:42.19 | superlinux | just I have a general topic question: do you think that there is a conspiracy against the Open Source movement as a whole? |
| 20:42.37 | Quibus | no |
| 20:42.48 | stew | superlinux: wrong channel. perhaps #debian-offtopic or #defocus or ##linux |
| 20:43.00 | superlinux | ok stew |
| 20:43.19 | ThePub | they're feeding rat poison to the pengiuns.. save the penguins! |
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| 20:45.05 | Xanbreon | Has anyone managed to get a nokia 5800 to sync its calendar with a linux machine? It looks like it might be doable with evolution, but I really dont like evolution... |
| 20:45.19 | superlinux | I was asking the question cos of the sequence of events that happened over the past few years made by the major companies like oracle and microsoft |
| 20:45.26 | superlinux | thanks anyway |
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| 20:46.10 | superlinux | just I have a general topic question: do you think that there is a conspiracy against the Open Source movement as a whole? |
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| 20:46.15 | superlinux | sorry! |
| 20:46.18 | superlinux | mistake! |
| 20:46.28 | Quibus | heheh |
| 20:46.47 | decan | hi everybody, has anyone tested neuro-debian software already? |
| 20:47.05 | Quibus | Is the proprietary Flash player by Adobe now working on AMD64/testing? |
| 20:47.17 | abrotman | Quibus: supposedly, FSVO working |
| 20:47.38 | Quibus | dpkg, FSVO? |
| 20:47.39 | dpkg | fsvo is, like, For Some Values Of. For Small Values Of |
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| 20:47.51 | Quibus | hmm |
| 20:48.14 | Xanbreon | flash64 works ok here, it doesnt crap out that much |
| 20:48.17 | Quibus | for some values of working... :-) That means: for some people? |
| 20:48.23 | mpavel | hey guys, does anyone know of a good (newbie) guide on setting up an apache server, with multiple subdomains, a website for each subdomain? |
| 20:48.28 | Quibus | They released a new 64-bit binary? |
| 20:48.34 | Xanbreon | mmhm |
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| 20:48.47 | Xanbreon | The flashplugin-nonfree package should pull it in now |
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| 20:49.02 | PeterSymonds` | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.37 | abrotman | They've been saying that for weeks .. Don't believe it! |
| 20:49.56 | peppe | but... what kind of spam is this? like, "hey, freenode's got a SSL certificate, enable SSL now!"? |
| 20:50.00 | Quibus | omg, awful spam on IRC :( |
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| 20:50.07 | abrotman | just ignore it .. carry on |
| 20:50.09 | LoRez | peppe: SSL != SASL |
| 20:50.15 | do0ob | abrotman: why do they want us to enable ssl? |
| 20:50.17 | abrotman | just ignore it .. carry on |
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| 20:50.31 | do0ob | oh assl |
| 20:50.33 | do0ob | sasl |
| 20:50.37 | peppe | oops. true |
| 20:50.42 | peppe | ok, still I don't see the point |
| 20:50.44 | abrotman | just ignore it .. carry on |
| 20:50.47 | do0ob | Simple Authentication and Security Layer? |
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| 20:50.51 | abrotman | IGNORE IT |
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| 20:51.00 | do0ob | abrotman: do you know what their motivation is? |
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| 20:51.23 | Digdilem | the text hasn't changed, why isn't that string triggering an autokill by now? |
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| 20:51.39 | streuner__ | do0ob: stupidness |
| 20:51.46 | abrotman | holy shit .. it's spam .. IGNORE IT .. you've spent more time talking about it than they did spamming it .. TALK ABOUT DEBIAN |
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| 20:51.57 | pipegeek | gah. |
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| 20:52.00 | streuner__ | do0ob: see ^^^ |
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| 20:52.01 | abrotman | done |
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| 20:52.08 | abrotman | no more spam .. back to Debian now |
| 20:52.12 | stew | if you guys insist on giving this spam the attention it craves, please do it in another channel, I believe there is ##comment-on-spam for this purpose |
| 20:52.13 | mpavel | hey guys, does anyone know of a good tutorial (for newbie) on setting up apache to run on one IP with multiple subdomains, each for a different website? |
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| 20:52.38 | deStone | I'm looking for a monitoring system for my 12 webhosting servers - I'm having issues where spikes of traffic, spam database activity, etc are bringing down at least a server a day - I think if i had a good monitoring / alert system in place, I could fix issues before they go down. Any recommendations? |
| 20:52.58 | kishy | is also interested in what mpavel wants |
| 20:52.59 | Digdilem | deStone, I use munin for about 30 machines, it's very good |
| 20:53.21 | Digdilem | i do admit to being a sucker for pretty graphs |
| 20:53.21 | stew | deStone: munin + nagios are common ways of doing this |
| 20:53.52 | deStone | Digdilem: is it difficult to configure? |
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| 20:54.25 | deStone | i guess thats a loaded question |
| 20:54.25 | deStone | haha |
| 20:54.25 | Digdilem | deStone, munin isn't. Nagios is (ime) and is better for notifications, but munin is nearly plug and play |
| 20:54.43 | Digdilem | i've fought and lost with nagios a couple of times |
| 20:55.11 | mpavel | kishy: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/ apparently this is where to look |
| 20:55.43 | kishy | in my case i'm using lighttpd but i want to read about the theory of it for the future |
| 20:55.46 | kishy | thanks mpavel |
| 20:55.53 | deStone | Digdilem: aight, i'll look into munin |
| 20:56.07 | Digdilem | good luck |
| 20:56.57 | stew | deStone: afaik, munin won't tell you there is a problem unless you happen to be looking at munin. its more useful for "now that I know that there is/was a problem, how did it manifest" |
| 20:57.16 | mpavel | kishy: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/name-based.html |
| 20:57.40 | stew | deStone: whereas nagios is "i'll check every few minutes for all this stuff, then if there is a problem i'll email you" |
| 20:58.13 | Digdilem | agree. munin has some functionality for notifications built in, but i've never had much success with it |
| 20:58.23 | kishy | thanks mpavel. currently working on a college paper but bookmarked for later reference |
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| 20:58.28 | eptalon | heyas |
| 20:58.34 | jhutchins_lt | There's a recent fork of nagios as well that promises more current development |
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| 21:00.45 | The_Machine | grr |
| 21:00.52 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: who needs recent development? We ran Netsaint 0.06 from 2000 to 2008, and it worked well |
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| 21:01.43 | jhutchins_lt | Well, nagios needs something. I get plenty of notices when my home line goes down, but I can't find it in the logs or graphs. |
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| 21:03.34 | eptalon | how do i get the cpu temperature in debian (if the debian lm_sensors version does not support my chipset)? |
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| 21:03.51 | stew | jelly-home: i could use some recent development. I hate the fact the the only way to get info out of nagios is to actually parse the html/wml pages. there is no way to query the server for xml/json/whatever |
| 21:04.25 | jelly-home | APIs are for wimps |
| 21:05.59 | vtts | eptalon, ACPI, IPMI? |
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| 21:11.43 | keith4 | jhutchins_lt: it is a poor craftsman who blames his tools ;-) |
| 21:12.05 | kj4 | keith4: hey wait, i do that all the time |
| 21:12.31 | eptalon | vtts: how would I get a cpu temp? |
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| 21:13.39 | vtts | eptalon, you could check out /proc/acpi/thermal_zone, /sys/class/thermal |
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| 21:14.03 | stew | eptalon: try "acpi -t" |
| 21:14.54 | eptalon | stew: that doesn't give anything. |
| 21:15.12 | b0nghitter | do i need to restart anything after updating openssl? |
| 21:15.27 | eptalon | b0nghitter: ideally ssh. |
| 21:15.31 | b0nghitter | ok ty |
| 21:15.43 | vtts | eptalon, depending on your hardware you could also try "ipmitool sdr" |
| 21:16.24 | vtts | eptalon, what kind of hardware do you have? |
| 21:16.44 | eptalon | vtts: could not open device at /dev/ipmi0... Get device id failed...unable ot open sdr for reading |
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| 21:16.56 | vtts | modprobe ipmi_devintf |
| 21:17.29 | vtts | but your hardware might not have ipmi support |
| 21:17.42 | eptalon | thats what I was trying to say. |
| 21:18.01 | eptalon | lm_sensors does not recognise the chip either |
| 21:19.09 | vtts | well, i would suggest figuring out what kind of chip it is |
| 21:19.16 | stew | b0nghitter: lsof -n | grep libssl |
| 21:19.33 | vtts | otherwise it's just guess work |
| 21:20.27 | b0nghitter | stew: http://pastebin.com/TY9fvYcA i already restarted apache |
| 21:21.41 | eptalon | vtts: Nuvoton W83667HG-B Super IO Sensors |
| 21:22.06 | stew | b0nghitter: so that leaves postgres, pure-ftpd, rtorrent, znc, whatever that python process is and i don't know if tlsmgr is part of postgres |
| 21:22.13 | stew | err, postfix, not postgres |
| 21:22.22 | b0nghitter | ok ty |
| 21:22.45 | stew | oh, yeah, tlsmgr is obviously postfix, looking at the username |
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| 21:23.01 | stew | someone set you up the bong |
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| 21:28.33 | vtts | eptalon, you might need a newer kernel version |
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| 21:29.04 | eptalon | vtts: I am running 2.6.32-5 |
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| 21:29.54 | eptalon | vtts: are there newer ones (sid?) |
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| 21:37.58 | BuggerMe | My Lenny install is stalling after I select the repository and the display is saying "Select and install software" Please wait, 1%. Been there for an hour. Restarted the install 4 times and always stops at the same point. Thoughts/comments. |
| 21:38.21 | eptalon | The newest (pre-built) kernel available in sid is 2.6.32, no? |
| 21:39.20 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 21:39.25 | jelly-home | eptalon: /msg judd kernels |
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| 21:41.18 | vtts | elenril, W83667HG-B support was added on Aug 14th, to 2.6.36 |
| 21:42.18 | vtts | ups |
| 21:42.25 | vtts | eptalon, W83667HG-B support was added on Aug 14th, to 2.6.36 |
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| 21:53.56 | eptalon | vtts: the 2.6.36 package in experimental is broken... |
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| 21:54.52 | LordV | I don't do this often enough to know by heart, but can somebody poke the bot on my faq? How do I build a .deb from .tgz + .dsc ? (TIA!) |
| 21:55.13 | dkr | !source |
| 21:55.13 | dpkg | As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> <source package> |
| 21:55.30 | LordV | awesome, thanks. |
| 21:56.10 | vtts | LordV, there is a fine manual about that: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-build.en.html |
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| 21:57.01 | vtts | eptalon, eptalon well I cannot sugest anything else, i ususaly build my own kernel from source, but they are not supported by debian |
| 21:57.03 | stew | LordV: first use "dpkg-soruce -x foo.dsc" then "cd foo-$version", then you can use dpkg-buildpackage or debuild or pdebuild etc to build the package |
| 21:57.34 | LordV | stew: awesome, that was the single step I needed between what I have and what the guides say do next. |
| 21:57.38 | eptalon | vtts: found the issue, was stupid. |
| 21:58.10 | stew | LordV: you have to do a better job than i did of spelling 'dpkg-source' however |
| 21:58.12 | jhutchins_lt | How does it make sense to put a package into backports to satisfy dependencies, but not satisfy dependencies of that that package? |
| 21:58.24 | vtts | eptalon, what was it? |
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| 22:02.37 | CardinalFang | HI hi. What's the default python version in sid/squeeze? I don't need the last number. 2.6? 2.5? 2.7? |
| 22:02.56 | stew | CardinalFang: 2.6 |
| 22:03.15 | CardinalFang | stew, thx. |
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| 22:15.06 | project2501a | hello. has anybody managed to use 3 or four screens using nvidia settings in gnome? |
| 22:15.15 | project2501a | x server detects them but i come up empty |
| 22:15.16 | project2501a | erh |
| 22:15.37 | project2501a | x server detects them but not all three will light up at the same time |
| 22:16.18 | Quibus | good night |
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| 22:33.02 | megana | tensorpudding, I believe everyone when they say it's amd64 :) I am just trying to find out what the problem actually could be |
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| 22:33.14 | abrotman | anddam: amd64 had it first? |
| 22:33.26 | anddam | AMD, afair |
| 22:33.28 | abrotman | erm .. amd had it first ? |
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| 22:34.11 | anddam | it had, afair |
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| 22:35.14 | megana | thanks for keeping me from trying to build an ia64 image anddam |
| 22:37.08 | megana | I think I might be getting the error because I'm using an micro sd card reader in place of an actual usb stick |
| 22:37.27 | megana | any thoughts on that? |
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| 22:43.56 | sweetpi | megana: card readers usually show up as multiple devices, so that could be the reason |
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| 22:46.58 | sweetpi | megana: the error your getting implies its trying to boot though, maybe try asking in #syslinux what the error could mean |
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| 22:50.34 | Bop | any reg exp guru ? |
| 22:50.47 | babilen | Bop: Just ask your question |
| 22:50.50 | Bop | ok |
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| 22:52.29 | Bop | i have this sed reg exp '/^\(0\|[1-9][0-9]*\)\(,[0-9]*[1-9]\)\?$/p' and it works for matching numbers or floating withtout non-significant zeros (ex 0,30 ; 030 , 0 ) but i need it to find these numbers in the middle of text and not as number \n number \n format |
| 22:53.55 | babilen | Bop: what about removing the ^ and & ? |
| 22:54.25 | Bop | if prints all lines the exact same |
| 22:55.30 | babilen | but it should match occurences in the middle of a line as well. you are aware of #sed though? |
| 22:55.42 | Bop | yeah , i've asked there , no reply |
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| 22:57.38 | babilen | doesn't it match occurences in the middle of a line if modified? |
| 22:58.00 | Bop | i have this line sdshsdjdhd 0,1 skdjskjdskjd skdjskjdskdj |
| 22:58.11 | Bop | it prints all line , not just the number |
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| 22:59.58 | babilen | yeah, sed is line based |
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| 23:03.05 | Bop | i mean , i want to erase all letters and just print the values |
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| 23:04.37 | babilen | Bop: like echo "sdshsdjdhd 0,1 skdjskjdskjd skdjskjdskdj" | grep -oe "\(0\|[1-9][0-9]*\)\(,[0-9]*[1-9]\)\?" ? |
| 23:04.47 | Bop | let me check |
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| 23:06.42 | Bop | babilen, that will mostly work , but it still prints 0 out of number 01222 |
| 23:06.48 | Bop | its almost that :D |
| 23:07.55 | catsup | just use egrep -oe '[0-9,]+' |
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| 23:33.46 | Boohemian | are there any apps that do what dropbox does on linux? i wanna install a dropbox like app on my debian server, for other team members to upload large files (they don't know how to use sftp :( |
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| 23:34.52 | jhutchins_lt | Boohemian: Educate them. |
| 23:35.21 | jhutchins_lt | You can do uploads with php. |
| 23:37.01 | Boohemian | jhutchins_lt: right now we're using drupal, but i want to have it outside of the drupal platform. |
| 23:37.11 | Boohemian | jhutchins_lt: i would love to, but they have enough trouble using dropbox (for some reason) :/ |
| 23:37.47 | jhutchins_lt | Boohemian: Why do you need it outside drupal? |
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| 23:39.11 | Boohemian | jhutchins_lt: i don't want to increase the upload php limit in drupal, to insanely high numbers (i need 2GB videos to be uploaded fairly frequently) |
| 23:45.27 | prism | Boohemian, alternative upload method? can you whack a cgi/perl form somewhere for large uploads and inport them into your project by another means |
| 23:46.08 | Boohemian | idk. perhaps i can just get them to install a stripped down sftp client. after all, most of them use mac os x. how difficult can drag and drop be?? |
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| 23:48.27 | dondelelcaro | Boohemian: there should be an sftp client which implements a virtual filesystem for macosx |
| 23:48.52 | dondelelcaro | I know there was one about 10 years ago for mac os. |
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| 23:50.49 | Bushmills | some file managers have support for scp/sftp already |
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| 23:54.46 | Boohemian | dondelelcaro: i use transmit. it's quite nice. i just need to configure it so they only see the barest minimum, for true drag and drop onto our server. |
| 23:57.21 | dondelelcaro | whatever works |
| 23:57.34 | dondelelcaro | doesn't keep up with file managers and drag-and-drop crap |
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