| 00:00.03 | atan | Bushmills, some days I should be shot. |
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| 00:00.23 | themill | dpkg, shoot atan |
| 00:00.23 | dpkg | blows atan away with a double-barreled shotgun |
| 00:00.31 | themill | !next |
| 00:00.31 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 00:01.15 | atan | Now just to figure out if there is a way to make atftpd bind to one ip address, not 0.0.0.0 |
| 00:01.36 | atan | I think the conclusion that was reached was that it would require the use of iptables/router to do such a task |
| 00:01.37 | silverballz | is there not an entry for kernel module? or do i just not have access to the bot? |
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| 00:02.57 | tpocra | I am trying to install lenny 5.0.6 from netinst CD and it fails at installing the kernel... |
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| 00:03.09 | tpocra | "mkinitramfs-kpkg failed to create initrd image" |
| 00:03.13 | tpocra | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 9 |
| 00:03.18 | tpocra | errors were encountered while processing linux-image-2.6.25-2-amd64 |
| 00:03.27 | tpocra | base-installer: error: exiting on error base-installer/kernel/failed-install |
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| 00:10.47 | tpocra | Weird, I just chose generic instead of targeted for my initrd |
| 00:11.17 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 00:14.53 | Bushmills | tpocra: seperate /boot partition? |
| 00:15.16 | tpocra | Bushmills: Yes |
| 00:15.39 | tpocra | I have a 256MiB ext2 /boot and the rest is a Serpent 256-bit encrypted volume group with a couple LVs |
| 00:15.43 | Bushmills | make sure a file system has been created, and the partition is mounted |
| 00:16.15 | tpocra | Bushmills: I am just going to go with generic for the time being because setting up this system has taken a couple days |
| 00:16.19 | tpocra | And it appears to be working. |
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| 00:16.34 | tpocra | I doubt I'll see appreciable slowdowns, it's a fast machine. |
| 00:17.32 | tpocra | All I have left is to install GRUB to a RAID-0 array instead of an MBR of a disk like I am used to. |
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| 00:33.47 | deepdood | okay |
| 00:33.58 | deepdood | is there python-2.7 available in lenny or experimental/backends |
| 00:33.58 | deepdood | also |
| 00:34.14 | deepdood | I'm trying to make pygtk latest, but it says pygobject-2.0 not found |
| 00:34.19 | deepdood | what is pygobject 2.0 |
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| 00:35.25 | themill | no, yes, and are you suddenly running debian now not ubuntu? |
| 00:35.45 | deepdood | shitting on penis |
| 00:35.57 | deepdood | oh yeah, I like how these shittie turds don't answer my question |
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| 00:38.07 | fishcooker | my left alt-gr not responded |
| 00:38.18 | fishcooker | sorry right side |
| 00:38.22 | fishcooker | how to config it |
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| 00:41.50 | nsadmin | fishcooker: I don't know, and there is a tool xev |
| 00:42.13 | nsadmin | at least it might be able to see it |
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| 01:04.22 | Frantic | is mhash included in php-common in php53? |
| 01:04.48 | Frantic | for some reason I get a startup error saying PHP cannot load mhash.so after I updated to php53 from dotdeb |
| 01:05.54 | qq- | !dotdeb |
| 01:05.54 | dpkg | methinks dotdeb is for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. There is little reason to use dotdeb.org now that backported versions of PHP and MySQL are available from backports.debian.org. Ask me about <backports> and <debian-backports>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
| 01:06.21 | Frantic | !backports |
| 01:06.21 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 01:08.03 | Frantic | qq-: PHP53 doesn't seem to be in lenny-backports, or am I wrong? |
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| 01:09.26 | Frantic | from what I see here: backports.debian.org. Ask me about <backports> and <debian-backports>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
| 01:09.29 | Frantic | err |
| 01:09.34 | Frantic | here: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=php5&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=lenny-backports |
| 01:11.02 | themill | Frantic: no, there's no php5.3 backport available. And a good portion of people running squeeze (which has 5.3) seem to be trying to work out how to run php 5.2 instead. *shrug* |
| 01:11.52 | Frantic | themill: in my case I _really_ do need PHP53 |
| 01:12.10 | Frantic | and the dotdeb version doesn't seem to have mhash :( |
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| 01:20.11 | itchi_ | Hi, i'm writting a little report about a laptop where i installed Debian on. What hardware informations (which commands output) would it be good to add in my article? |
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| 01:21.22 | itchi_ | The thing is that it's about a Compaq CQ71 and there are many sub models about this one which have different hardware (nvidia vs ati) |
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| 01:24.49 | itchi_ | The thing i mind on right now is lspci, lsusb and cat /proc/cpuinfo and that's it |
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| 01:27.40 | nsadmin | Frantic/other-php-coders: I want for you that php becomes so stable that little tiny changes in php don't affect you so much |
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| 01:58.40 | flyeng4 | any nfs gurus on? http://pastebin.com/DR5q32Sq |
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| 02:00.28 | muddd | so uh, what was the reason given by server? |
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| 02:01.10 | flyeng4 | sorry: No such file or directory |
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| 02:01.47 | flyeng4 | I corrected the paste |
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| 02:02.32 | muddd | ah |
| 02:03.32 | flyeng4 | muddd: any idea? |
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| 02:03.52 | muddd | I've only used nfs not nfs4 so I may be a little outdated |
| 02:03.58 | muddd | have you tried nfs? |
| 02:04.01 | muddd | -t nfs |
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| 02:04.51 | flyeng4 | mount.nfs: mount to NFS server '192.168.1.101' failed: timed out, retrying |
| 02:05.19 | flyeng4 | I have read that this error comes when the server expects a higher version of nfs |
| 02:06.24 | muddd | http://ertw.com/blog/2007/06/24/migrating-from-nfs3-to-nfs4/ |
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| 02:07.13 | muddd | sorry I don't know enough about the new stuff but I've used nfs3 before |
| 02:08.26 | muddd | gotta give up my power cord to fix another computer, be back in a few |
| 02:08.43 | flyeng4 | I would rather keep it simple and use nfs3 ... but it doesn't seem to work |
| 02:08.49 | flyeng4 | I'll try some stuff on that blog |
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| 02:09.36 | muddd | ha found another cord |
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| 02:16.09 | flyeng4 | I don't understand why nfs has to be this hard |
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| 02:17.10 | pippijn | hi all |
| 02:17.27 | pippijn | I'm trying to set up a debbugs service |
| 02:18.07 | pippijn | the process script wants db-h/$number to exist so it can write the files there, but fails because it doesn't |
| 02:18.13 | pippijn | $number is the next bug number |
| 02:18.30 | pippijn | has anybody here set up a debbugs, before? |
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| 02:20.50 | pippijn | [1] B.128935554927001 process ...*** db-h/15/15.log.new: create: No such file or directory |
| 02:21.44 | pippijn | oh |
| 02:21.47 | pippijn | I need to create them |
| 02:22.01 | pippijn | I found this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-debbugs/2003/08/msg00022.html |
| 02:22.22 | dondelelcaro | pippijn: there is a setup program, but it you kind of need to know how debbugs works before setting it up |
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| 02:23.45 | pippijn | dondelelcaro: what's the setup program called? |
| 02:24.22 | tolland | hi, when does squeeze get upgraded to stable? |
| 02:26.14 | dondelelcaro | pippijn: heh; I wouldn't use it, actually. You can just mkdir -p /path/to/db-h/{0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9}{0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9}; |
| 02:26.20 | dondelelcaro | tolland: when it's ready |
| 02:26.45 | yagoo | tolland, whenever squeeze ever decides to squeeze out |
| 02:26.53 | pippijn | dondelelcaro: I did that |
| 02:27.09 | pippijn | it works now |
| 02:27.32 | dondelelcaro | pippijn: then assuming you've edited /etc/debbugs/config, things should be working |
| 02:29.08 | yagoo | likes the new debian release name "Wheezy" |
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| 02:29.24 | yagoo | not out yet of course... |
| 02:29.32 | yagoo | until wayy after squeeze |
| 02:29.53 | yagoo | just the name sounds cool in itself.. |
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| 02:40.08 | normmand | having problem getting my camera to work in squeeze. was working fine in lenny. notice the driver spca5xx is meant for kernel 2.6.18. but this seems to be the latest version for squeeze too. any suggestion? |
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| 02:41.50 | chicognu | there is no /dev/snd |
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| 02:54.57 | techzhou | sorry for my bad english. i have a problem. why gdm use xdmcp bind ipv6 only? |
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| 02:56.22 | LinuxGuy2009 | If I decide to use the testing branch for desktop use and have the newer packages, when do I know when its ok to start using it as far as knowing if its stable enough or does that not matter at all? |
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| 02:58.01 | fryguy | LinuxGuy2009: testing is just like stable, except the packages are newer and not tested as much, and there's no security backports |
| 02:59.43 | dvs | fryguy: yes, squeeze has security patches |
| 02:59.48 | yagoo | LinuxGuy2009, that's why backports came out.. safer to use.. |
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| 03:01.04 | yagoo | LinuxGuy2009, imho i believe it's like this 'unstable branch' < testing branch < backports in term of stability.. anyone can correct me if i'm wrong.. if u know the insides and outs.. you could probably get away with testing but expect bugs and to use reportbug |
| 03:01.09 | pippijn | dondelelcaro: apparently, debbugs accepts bugreports for any package, by default |
| 03:01.19 | graphlite | debian testing = squeeze or sid ? |
| 03:01.32 | fryguy | graphlite: not sid |
| 03:01.40 | pippijn | can I restrict it to only accept those that are listed somewhere? |
| 03:01.43 | graphlite | etch sid squeeze ? |
| 03:01.57 | graphlite | this is the order ? |
| 03:01.57 | yagoo | sid is the unstable branch.. |
| 03:01.58 | yagoo | !sid |
| 03:01.58 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 03:02.25 | graphlite | whats the difference between testing and unstable ? |
| 03:02.41 | fryguy | graphlite: unstable breaks a bunch |
| 03:02.49 | yagoo | testing means packages have been uploaded from developers that checked them out in unstable |
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| 03:03.39 | LinuxGuy2009 | I mean the reason I ask is Im trying to find a middle ground so to speak. Newer packaghes in Ubuntu based on Debian sid, vs the older rock solid stable stuff in Debian stable. I mean is testing a good middle ground thats sorta what Im after. |
| 03:03.46 | graphlite | fryguy: so there is release version followed by testing version that being followed by unstable version ? |
| 03:03.53 | graphlite | thats the stability order ? :) |
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| 03:04.02 | abrotman | dvs: not really |
| 03:04.05 | fryguy | yes |
| 03:04.07 | yagoo | LinuxGuy2009, sid is dangerous. |
| 03:04.10 | yagoo | LinuxGuy2009, lol |
| 03:04.15 | yagoo | LinuxGuy2009, use testing... |
| 03:04.17 | fryguy | LinuxGuy2009: just use testing |
| 03:04.23 | abrotman | just use squeeze |
| 03:04.30 | yagoo | LinuxGuy2009, and backports too is good |
| 03:04.33 | graphlite | sid will never be released ? :) hehe |
| 03:04.35 | LinuxGuy2009 | ok thats what I figured. |
| 03:04.45 | fryguy | if you aren't running a production server, and you don't know how to use sid, then testing is almost always the right answer |
| 03:05.04 | yagoo | LinuxGuy2009, actually i souhldn't have said "too is good"... I'd prefer just to use backports and no testing for my stable debian systems |
| 03:05.44 | yagoo | LinuxGuy2009, backports is branch too.. it's safe to use.. |
| 03:05.56 | abrotman | it's not really a branch |
| 03:05.57 | LinuxGuy2009 | yagoo: I have a copy of lenny backports on DVD-R that I made. Dont think it has KDE4 though. |
| 03:06.02 | abrotman | it's not a full versoin of Debian |
| 03:06.23 | yagoo | abrotman, yep.. i think he's not sure of the difference between backports and testing.. |
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| 03:06.51 | LinuxGuy2009 | Backports are newer packages built for older libs. I know. |
| 03:06.55 | techzhou | why gdm use xdmcp bind ipv6 only? |
| 03:07.06 | abrotman | techzhou: can't you configure that? |
| 03:07.17 | dvs | abrotman: hmmm. Then why have a squeeze/security repo? |
| 03:07.26 | yagoo | abrotman, isn't backports now come in sources.list by default? |
| 03:07.59 | abrotman | dvs: i'm just saying it's empty .. look at the Packages file |
| 03:08.07 | dvs | eh? |
| 03:08.08 | abrotman | yagoo: by default in whta? not lenny |
| 03:08.13 | techzhou | abrotman, how? not found |
| 03:08.36 | yagoo | abrotman, LinuxGuy2009 doesn't trust backports... dunno why hehhee |
| 03:08.56 | abrotman | dvs: oh, looks like they started adding stuff |
| 03:09.02 | yagoo | abrotman, well backports is officially supported so i was merely wondering about it |
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| 03:09.06 | dvs | yay! |
| 03:09.20 | redbullfx | hey guys.... |
| 03:10.00 | yagoo | abrotman, that true? backports are newer packages built for older libs? |
| 03:10.06 | redbullfx | ive Installed Debian Lenny. But my wireless card and ethernet were not detected. I boot up lenny. But no network drivers. Im on live cd right now. Anyone help me please??? |
| 03:10.07 | yagoo | LinuxGuy2009, hey u.. |
| 03:10.09 | yagoo | :p |
| 03:10.31 | yagoo | redbullfx, lspci .. find chipset.. and google it |
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| 03:10.33 | LinuxGuy2009 | Now after testing becomes the new stable, then they cut and paste sid into testing folder correct? Is the testing branch pretty buggy/unstable right after that? Or can I get comfortable with just using the testing branch for my main distro from now on and not have to worry if it will get as bad as ubuntu is? |
| 03:10.41 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: wrong |
| 03:10.41 | LinuxGuy2009 | yagoo: What? |
| 03:11.05 | Utopos | echo "root@178.162.240.74:orange38" >> .host_conf |
| 03:11.11 | stew | LinuxGuy2009: no, testing is duplicated, not sid. then the new testing gets a flood of updates from sid that have been held back by the freeze, making the new testing a mess |
| 03:11.13 | yagoo | LOL |
| 03:11.14 | Utopos | fuck wrong tty |
| 03:11.21 | yagoo | LinuxGuy2009, you make too many assumptions.. |
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| 03:12.13 | yagoo | LinuxGuy2009, i think this will be the third time I'll be telling you not to use testing but backports for your case. |
| 03:12.23 | LinuxGuy2009 | Im not making any assumptions. Im just trying to get an understanding of how it all works and the expected stability of the different branches. |
| 03:12.51 | LinuxGuy2009 | yagoo: I have already told you I have a copy of the entire backports repo for lenny on DVD. |
| 03:13.27 | normmand | is it true that the webcam modules gspca comes with kernel-2.6.32 i.e. it does not have to compile from source? |
| 03:13.29 | Cibort | LinuxGay2009 |
| 03:13.31 | Cibort | LOL |
| 03:13.52 | abrotman | Cibort: do you have a Debian related question? |
| 03:13.52 | yagoo | normmand, if your webcam is already supported it's probably on the drive |
| 03:14.18 | normmand | yagoo: how to know if my webcam is supported? |
| 03:14.23 | Cibort | Sorry LinuxGuy2009 :D :* |
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| 03:14.47 | redbullfx | sorry..lost connection.. anyone help me out??? |
| 03:14.59 | yagoo | normmand, look for the lspci -v (the vendor id) and try to match it against the linux hw database if its supported by the kernel -- http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/USB_GSPCA_ZC3XX.html |
| 03:15.04 | redbullfx | ive Installed Debian Lenny. But my wireless card and ethernet were not detected. I boot up lenny. But no network drivers. Im on live cd right now. Anyone help me please??? |
| 03:15.07 | fryguy | redbullfx: sounds like you need to install the necessary drivers |
| 03:15.22 | abrotman | redbullfx: lspci -nn .. what are the devices? |
| 03:15.23 | yagoo | normmand, it might be two vs for the vendor id (lspci -vv ) |
| 03:15.34 | yagoo | or maybe -nn heheh |
| 03:15.35 | redbullfx | I do..but i cant when i cant get internet access |
| 03:15.49 | yagoo | abrotman, i hate arguments -nn -vv so dam confusing |
| 03:16.12 | redbullfx | im only here through ubuntu live cd. I cant get online through debian... |
| 03:16.21 | abrotman | lspci -nn is still the same |
| 03:16.21 | stew | redbullfx: you can run lspci -nn in ubuntu |
| 03:16.25 | redbullfx | Is there a way to install the drivers through the live cd. Lenny is installed |
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| 03:16.32 | redbullfx | ok... one sec |
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| 03:17.04 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok I think I see. So after all the bugs are gone and its time for a new stable release, they *copy* testing to stable. Then when packages have been in sid for so long then they are gradually copied to testing. So its like testing is always evolving and changing, but over time, and not everything all at once? |
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| 03:17.47 | stew | LinuxGuy2009: except when the new testing is created, it will get a ton of packages that were waiting in unstable for the release |
| 03:18.06 | stew | LinuxGuy2009: last time over a thousand packages were copied into testing from unstable right after the release |
| 03:18.53 | yagoo | LinuxGuy2009, these guys know what they're talking about some of them maintain packages and live off pizza all night.. |
| 03:19.06 | redbullfx | 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) [168c:002b] (rev 01) AND 08:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications AR8131 Gigabit Ethernet [1969:1063] (rev c0) |
| 03:19.21 | abrotman | redbullfx: is this a laptop ? |
| 03:19.25 | redbullfx | yes |
| 03:19.28 | yagoo | orders pizza for the crew |
| 03:19.41 | abrotman | you can either a) install squeeze b) use the backports.org kernel |
| 03:19.44 | LinuxGuy2009 | sweet |
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| 03:23.35 | dondelelcaro | though it really doesn't involve much copying; you just update the symlinks, and fork testing |
| 03:23.44 | dondelelcaro | pippijn: yes, it does. |
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| 03:24.42 | pippijn | dondelelcaro: is there a way to restrict it? |
| 03:25.03 | dondelelcaro | pippijn: yes, by modifying process |
| 03:25.18 | dondelelcaro | pippijn: but normally you'd just accept the report, and reassign the bug |
| 03:25.31 | pippijn | oh |
| 03:25.33 | pippijn | alright |
| 03:26.51 | katsrc | when i hold a package with aptitude does that also reflect apt-get? |
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| 03:27.00 | katsrc | is there also a way to hold a package with apt-get? |
| 03:28.07 | joepa | anyone know how to make a disk image bootable? |
| 03:30.19 | yagoo | joepa, place the disk in a boot ? :p |
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| 03:31.01 | joepa | wow, the quality of this channel has really gone down since the last time I asked a question here :) |
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| 03:31.20 | redbullfx | i keep losing internet...strange... |
| 03:31.21 | yagoo | joepa, disk image can be anything. |
| 03:31.29 | redbullfx | sorry about that..anyone say something? |
| 03:31.29 | yagoo | -_- |
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| 03:31.41 | redbullfx | i left off at.. Yes its a laptop |
| 03:31.50 | abrotman | redbullfx: you can either a) install squeeze b) use the backports.org kernel |
| 03:32.40 | redbullfx | I'll go with B. use backports. how do i do that? |
| 03:32.59 | joepa | yagoo: disk image == dump of hdd partition created using dd |
| 03:33.07 | abrotman | redbullfx: you'll need a USB stick or something like that ... grab the kernel image and the deps from backports.org |
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| 03:36.10 | yagoo | joepa, that's very intrusive. That will take an hour for someone here to walk you through that. Fortunately alot of the folks in #linux have done it.. it's very very tedious it'll take someone with patience to help you out on that.. |
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| 03:37.24 | DeathWolf | mmmm, 2.6.36, USB2 device@usb speeds(ehci port), used to read@30MB/s and write to it at 15MB/s sustained. Somehow write speed dropped though... to around 4-5MB/s constant, any suggestions?(not fs dependent, am testing directly on the device) |
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| 03:38.20 | ftzdomino_ | is it a disk? |
| 03:38.23 | DeathWolf | yes |
| 03:38.24 | ftzdomino_ | might be failing |
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| 03:39.12 | DeathWolf | I guess it could, I don't have access to the smart. |
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| 03:40.10 | abrotman | wtf .. how is it 'intrusive' ? |
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| 03:44.09 | rachelderp | What's a handy way of keeping track of how much memory/CPU each of my users is eating up? |
| 03:44.33 | rachelderp | I've tried top and ps -u, but it's never quite what I want |
| 03:45.26 | abrotman | does the 'acct' package report those stats ? |
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| 03:46.59 | terang | Yes. |
| 03:47.23 | DeathWolf | okay, I do actually have smart access... and there's nothing odd, smart passes. Also notable is that the exact same model of disk&enclosure on another port is giving full 20MB/s write perfs... so it's either particular to this disk/enclosure or this port. Definitely odd |
| 03:48.38 | DeathWolf | exact same settings for the port according to lsusb... the mystery thickens |
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| 03:49.09 | dark3lf | Hello there, is that possible to lock my usb stick with a password from the terminal ? |
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| 03:51.36 | DeathWolf | same schedulers, exact same device info(set aside the serial...) |
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| 03:52.23 | blocktree | basic package question: in my DEBIAN/control file I have specified Depends: less . I build the package and when I try to install it it fails because less is not installed ( dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration ) . I was expecting the system to install all prerequisites automaticaly. |
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| 03:52.48 | blocktree | what am i missing? |
| 03:53.24 | blocktree | dark3lf: what do you mean by lock my usb? |
| 03:54.52 | fishcooker | sir... how to clone all installed package on the.pc to another |
| 03:54.59 | terang | dark3lf: use ACL's instead |
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| 03:55.09 | terang | or GPG to encryp all data on the devic.e, |
| 03:55.35 | dark3lf | blocktree: I want to lock my usb stick with a passwd, so if I loose it I will be a little secure |
| 03:55.42 | abrotman | !tell fishcooker about aptitude clone |
| 03:55.42 | dark3lf | sry for bad english |
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| 03:56.09 | f8l | Change in plans. I'm going to sleep now. Good night. |
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| 03:57.36 | blocktree | fishcooker: dpkg --get-selections to deploy dpkg --set-selections |
| 03:58.45 | blocktree | dark3lf: http://www.linuxconfig.org/usb-stick-encryption-using-linux |
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| 04:01.50 | terang | blocktree: I didn't think packages would install dependencies in that manner; at least not without a package management system |
| 04:03.06 | blocktree | terang: what is your suggestion? what else can I do apart of dpkg -i mypackage.deb |
| 04:04.10 | terang | use apt-get :) |
| 04:04.12 | terang | or aptitude |
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| 04:17.30 | fishcooker | thats work abrotman blocktree |
| 04:17.34 | fishcooker | thnaks |
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| 04:21.47 | Guest73627 | hi, running lenny, when i do ifconfig -a i see the interfaces but no ip - how do I fix ? |
| 04:22.01 | Guest73627 | i did /etc/init.d/networking restart - did not help |
| 04:22.24 | Guest73627 | ? |
| 04:23.08 | Guest73627 | hello ? |
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| 04:24.03 | Blaize | Guest73627, have you tried ifup <<interface>> ? |
| 04:24.55 | dubcl | Guest73627: ifconfig -a only show the IP when the interface is conected |
| 04:25.02 | Bop | Guest73627, for fast ip assignment , ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.254 netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
| 04:25.09 | terang | ifconfig ip/network eth$var up |
| 04:25.14 | terang | Bop >.< |
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| 04:47.32 | rafuch0 | anyone knows a guide that teach howto make a raid 10 |
| 04:47.33 | rafuch0 | ? |
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| 04:48.07 | rafuch0 | in debian off course if it possible if not ... well is ok too X ) |
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| 04:51.44 | nsadmin | when you searched google, what did you find |
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| 04:53.02 | nsadmin | (you may be thinking: "but I didn't search google so you can't be talking to me"... if this is the case, you have work to do) |
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| 05:08.17 | ash317 | hello |
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| 05:09.16 | ash317 | hi there... i am doing an etch to lenny upgrade today and have googled for possible risks etc |
| 05:09.22 | ash317 | just wondering if anyone else has any other tips |
| 05:09.35 | ash317 | anything to look out for |
| 05:09.47 | qq- | !etch->lenny |
| 05:09.55 | ash317 | yes |
| 05:10.05 | qq- | !etch |
| 05:10.06 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 05:10.20 | fishcooker | is there any apps for torrent downloads |
| 05:10.27 | qq- | dpkg, etch->lenny |
| 05:10.27 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date, ask me about <etch sources.list> (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Then ask me about <lenny sources.list>. aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
| 05:11.09 | ash317 | <etch->lenny key> |
| 05:11.21 | ash317 | etch->lenny |
| 05:11.51 | ash317 | !etch->lenny |
| 05:12.13 | qq- | ash317, just read above .. |
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| 05:13.05 | qq- | dpkg, tell ash317 -about selftell |
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| 05:15.06 | tharkun | Good evening i get this lousy message when trying to purge postfix-policyd on squeeze. http://paste.debian.net/99432/ anyone has a quick fix? |
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| 05:20.58 | chicognu | where is the grub config file in lenny ? |
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| 05:21.32 | terang | tharkun: http://tinyurl.com/26kpnq7 |
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| 05:22.24 | Joric | hi guys, how may i hardcode a certain host to a certain address in the /etc/bind/named.conf ? |
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| 05:23.03 | tharkun | terang: thx I'll look into it and see if i can purge it properly |
| 05:23.15 | terang | Looks like a PITA error :) |
| 05:23.32 | Bryanstein | Joric, hardcode? You mean make an A name in a zone file? |
| 05:23.41 | dondelelcaro | Joric: you do it in /etc/hosts, or you add an A record. |
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| 05:24.18 | Bryanstein | sorry I meant A record... dondelelcaro is right or you can do something with your dhcpd if your running it |
| 05:24.45 | Joric | with dhcpd? how? |
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| 05:25.49 | tharkun | Joric: research a little on dynamic dns. And man dhcpd should give you a hint or two |
| 05:25.56 | Bryanstein | it's fairly simple but you might just try the /etc/hosts route as it's much easier |
| 05:27.09 | Joric | the situation is i have a router with bind + dhcpd and want him to resolve some (existing) host to my own value |
| 05:27.34 | Joric | if i change /etc/hosts on the server it works only for the serve |
| 05:27.35 | Joric | r |
| 05:27.35 | Joric | \ |
| 05:27.51 | dondelelcaro | Joric: yes, because generally speaking, changing it for every connected host is insane |
| 05:28.37 | dondelelcaro | Joric: however, if you want to do that, you add a zone file to bind, then delegate that zone to your nameserver, perhaps with a wildcard to do delegation back to the real nameserver for other addresses |
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| 05:28.55 | dondelelcaro | or you can use something like dnsmasq which does this kind of thing automatically |
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| 05:31.00 | tharkun | terang: I stopped rsyslog and still it fails |
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| 05:31.30 | tharkun | Joric: if you have the bind key you can allways use nsupdate |
| 05:32.48 | terang | tharkun: It's an error in the config |
| 05:32.58 | terang | It's a clerical error, chane it to LOG_INFO |
| 05:33.02 | terang | change* |
| 05:33.20 | tharkun | does as told |
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| 05:33.35 | terang | or LOG_ERR whatever policyd has it set these days |
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| 05:38.03 | Joric | nsupdate rulz |
| 05:38.20 | tharkun | Joric: yes |
| 05:38.26 | Joric | i'm the root on that server |
| 05:40.20 | Bryanstein | nsupdate doesn't like it when you edit zones by hand though |
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| 05:40.27 | tharkun | terang: i forgot to restart rsyslog. Since it was not working dpkg refused to purge policyd. Thx for the insight |
| 05:40.53 | terang | :D |
| 05:42.14 | tharkun | Joric: what Bryanstein said is very true. If you happen to edit your zone file by hand you might end up loosing some info. It is still possible to freeze the zone and thaw it. But that is deprecated. Also once you get used to nsupdate is one heck of a nice tool to use |
| 05:42.16 | Xinux | my debian install is not loading because the root device is not being found or some sort.. it defaults to using busybox, is there a command to find what hard drives there are? |
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| 05:43.12 | Joric | i don't really have any zones, it just forwards everything |
| 05:43.35 | terang | When you boot up is there a root argument in your grubs kernel selection Xinux? |
| 05:44.00 | terang | And Xinux: ? or help shows the commands in busybox |
| 05:44.20 | Xinux | terang, yes ;p I know what to edit, just dont know what to edit it to |
| 05:44.42 | ColdFyre | Linux step-wise 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Tue Dec 18 21:24:20 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 05:44.48 | ColdFyre | weee old debian box |
| 05:44.51 | tharkun | Xinux: You have half the solution ;P |
| 05:45.06 | terang | Xinux: Well sir, I did not know if you knew that :P |
| 05:45.06 | tharkun | ColdFyre: that is sarge? |
| 05:45.15 | ColdFyre | it's 5.0.. i think |
| 05:45.23 | Xinux | Hehe sorry guys, gave you half the story ;p |
| 05:45.32 | ColdFyre | it's my NIS asmter in my closet i forgot about |
| 05:45.39 | tharkun | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:45.39 | ColdFyre | it just sits there running..do nothing |
| 05:46.10 | ColdFyre | 5.0.5 |
| 05:47.17 | ColdFyre | it's a pII 256 megs of ram in a 4U box..ha |
| 05:47.17 | terang | Anyway, Xinux, fdisk is enabled in BB |
| 05:47.40 | Xinux | terang, It is? ;\ First thing I tried said it was not found |
| 05:48.06 | tharkun | is puzzled on why ColdFyre has a Lenny box running with an etch kernel |
| 05:48.21 | terang | Really? That's odd, outdated BB maybe? |
| 05:48.29 | ColdFyre | hmm.. wierd apt-get update? |
| 05:48.44 | Xinux | terang, Shouldn't be, its a brand new installation ;P |
| 05:49.03 | Xinux | Anyways i'm in the grub command prompt now ; |
| 05:49.37 | terang | What are the commands that it says are enabled on BB? |
| 05:50.37 | Xinux | Heh, i've already exitted. And something else is wierd, no ls on grub prompt ;\ |
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| 05:53.08 | Xinux | Figured it out :) |
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| 05:53.59 | nsadmin | when you're in grub prompt it's not BB |
| 05:54.29 | Xinux | nsadmin, I was in BB, but i switched to grub prompt |
| 05:55.04 | nsadmin | anyway, I am curious but at the same time glad it worked out |
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| 05:58.16 | adrian_kx | why init 3 command aint working anymore? |
| 05:58.30 | adrian_kx | i am used to debian sorry |
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| 06:00.47 | Xinux | nsadmin, Any advice on how to edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst file?? ;O |
| 06:01.03 | Xinux | nsadmin, It keeps reverting to previous |
| 06:01.49 | nsadmin | why are you editing? |
| 06:02.16 | Xinux | its the wrong device location |
| 06:02.20 | Xinux | hda1 --> sda1 |
| 06:02.31 | nsadmin | look at device.map |
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| 06:04.30 | Xinux | nsadmin, alright I got it :P ty, I'm installing debian on an embedded device |
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| 06:16.08 | karter | hi, my debian has no ip addresses, |
| 06:16.16 | karter | the /interfaces file is right.. |
| 06:16.25 | karter | but not entries show up when I try route |
| 06:16.35 | karter | and all the interfaces have no ip addresses |
| 06:16.38 | karter | how do I fix ? |
| 06:16.40 | karter | any ideas ? |
| 06:17.00 | nsadmin | I guess you have to configure your networking |
| 06:17.57 | karter | how do I do that? |
| 06:18.19 | karter | etc/init.d/networking <anything> just silently exits |
| 06:18.43 | nsadmin | well let's see... when you look at output of ifconfig |
| 06:18.51 | nsadmin | how many interfaces do you see |
| 06:18.55 | nsadmin | what are their names |
| 06:19.04 | karter | eth0, eth1, loopback |
| 06:19.16 | karter | ifb1, ifb0, lo |
| 06:19.18 | nsadmin | do they all have addresses? |
| 06:19.34 | nsadmin | wait, six interfaces? |
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| 06:19.45 | Xinux | Hehe, my internet isnt working either ;D |
| 06:19.59 | nsadmin | notes in passing you're both here... |
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| 06:21.10 | karter | no |
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| 06:24.58 | saju_m | in centos we can open iptables ruleset file vim /etc/sysconfig/iptables, In debian which file it is defined?? |
| 06:25.22 | tpocra | When I boot up into kdm and KDE. the resolution of my LCD and projector (DVI and HDMI respectively) are 640x480 When they should be 1920x1200 and 1920x1080 respectively |
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| 06:25.42 | tpocra | in KDE's system settings, the correct resolutions have (Auto) next to them So why aren't they automatically used upon boot? |
| 06:25.57 | nsadmin | karter, ifconfig | grep ^[^[:space:]] | cut -f1 -d' ' | xargs echo |
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| 06:27.11 | nsadmin | should be one line, show the exact line |
| 06:29.05 | Xinux | How to make an auto login? With a password? I know how to do it without a pass in /etc/inittab |
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| 06:31.49 | saju_m | iptables -L, i got |
| 06:31.56 | saju_m | ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:domain |
| 06:32.06 | saju_m | i want to change it to REJECT |
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| 06:38.52 | vtts | saju_m, try: grep -ir iptables /etc |
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| 06:46.48 | nsadmin | did that guy ever reply with the line I requested? |
| 06:47.15 | karter | yes |
| 06:47.25 | karter | i fixed it |
| 06:47.30 | karter | it was a problem with the route |
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| 06:47.56 | nsadmin | oh ok, glad it worked out |
| 06:49.25 | Xinux | Blarg! Embedded devices can be a pain sometimes ;P |
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| 06:58.54 | Xinux | can't mount a usb drive? it shows up in fdisk -l |
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| 07:05.13 | cryptr_ | mmm |
| 07:05.32 | cryptr_ | what script actually creates the /etc/hosts file in debian? debian-installer? |
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| 07:24.58 | Xinux | How do I mount a fat32 usb drive?? |
| 07:25.07 | _tnull | vfat |
| 07:25.28 | Xinux | Keeps saying wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock |
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| 07:25.34 | Xinux | Used different flash drives? ;O |
| 07:26.03 | _tnull | what are you typing? |
| 07:26.27 | Xinux | mount -t vfat /dev/sdb /mnt/usb |
| 07:26.44 | _tnull | you're not selecting a partition |
| 07:26.52 | _tnull | try mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb |
| 07:26.59 | Xinux | ohhhh i see |
| 07:27.06 | Xinux | thanks :) |
| 07:27.09 | _tnull | np |
| 07:27.19 | Xinux | works like a charm! |
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| 07:27.37 | _tnull | awesome :) |
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| 07:29.53 | nsadmin | evidently your sdb is partitioned |
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| 07:30.53 | Xinux | nsadmin, yeah its probably because I partitioned them to put linux distros on them for installs ;P |
| 07:31.28 | nsadmin | well I haven't seen a flash drive that didn't have a single partition on it |
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| 07:31.51 | _tnull | mine came with 2 |
| 07:32.02 | nsadmin | I guess you don't have to use the partition; you could format sdb rather than sdb1 |
| 07:32.06 | _tnull | some recovery software or something |
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| 07:48.54 | Xinux | For some reason, either i'm tripping, but dhclient worked just now, but it didnt 50 minutes ago... what a waste of 50 minutes ;P |
| 07:50.42 | _tnull | it happens |
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| 07:51.57 | Xinux | but in any case even with all this configuration.. its still faster than figuring out windows embedded studio and flashing an image >....< that stuff takes....... 8 hours at least |
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| 07:55.11 | rahsputin | when a library package recommends for instance: libdbus-1-3 must i necessarily also get dbus etc... |
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| 08:01.36 | ultra420 | anybody could told me a soft that i could member sth... daily... |
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| 08:01.59 | ultra420 | i have lots of missions per day,i want to record them.. .and lots of scripts.. |
| 08:02.08 | ultra420 | i need a nice soft to record them |
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| 08:03.04 | iaj | lo there :) |
| 08:03.22 | iaj | how could I find out about system specs when Im only logged in via ssh to a debian machine? |
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| 08:04.41 | rahsputin | system specs are ? |
| 08:04.49 | Xinux | iaj, "lspci -vv" and "cat /proc/cpuinfo" |
| 08:05.17 | rahsputin | hwinfo |
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| 08:08.01 | iaj | thanks dudes.. specially need to find out about processor and memory. |
| 08:08.03 | Dennis_342 | ywnki0815 |
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| 08:09.33 | chicognu | Those packages are automated installed and are not more need. run apt-get autoremove to remove they ... apt-get autoremove Where is my gnome now ? |
| 08:10.09 | chicognu | It happens with anyone here ? |
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| 08:12.37 | Xinux | Anyone have any ideas how to autologin? I don't have any sort of gui ;P |
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| 08:14.14 | chicognu | Xinux, autologin in console ? |
| 08:14.28 | Xinux | chicognu, correct |
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| 08:16.31 | chicognu | searching |
| 08:16.34 | chicognu | .. |
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| 08:17.41 | chicognu | Xinux, do you already try it ? http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-auto-login-and-startx-without-a-display-manager-in-debian.html |
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| 08:21.59 | cryptr | Xinux: quite easy, replace the login in /etc/inittab for that tty |
| 08:22.27 | cryptr | 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 |
| 08:22.30 | cryptr | that line |
| 08:22.59 | cryptr | could ne /bin/bash whatever or a script that su's a user, i've done several different ones |
| 08:23.17 | Xinux | aye i have another question, i got it to autologin |
| 08:23.23 | Xinux | but where is the bash profile? |
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| 08:23.31 | Xinux | is it included in a command line install? |
| 08:23.37 | cryptr | bash -s |
| 08:23.41 | cryptr | err |
| 08:23.44 | cryptr | -l |
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| 08:23.52 | cryptr | then it reads /etc/profile |
| 08:24.01 | cryptr | orr bash.bashrc |
| 08:24.08 | cryptr | whatever it is called nowdays :) |
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| 08:24.22 | Xinux | i got nothing |
| 08:24.23 | Xinux | ;O |
| 08:24.41 | cryptr | bash uses .profile to load .bashrc and also reads /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 08:24.46 | cryptr | upon login |
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| 08:27.06 | linis | in vim how can i search a pattern and then save all the returned pattern's line into a different file ?? |
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| 08:27.59 | cryptr | dont use vim |
| 08:28.02 | cryptr | use grep? or sed? |
| 08:28.17 | cryptr | cat file | grep pattern > search_findings |
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| 08:28.54 | jelly-hme | !uuoc cryptr |
| 08:28.54 | dpkg | hands cryptr the "useless use of cat" award |
| 08:29.04 | cryptr | yay |
| 08:29.12 | cryptr | grep pattern file > search_findings |
| 08:29.14 | cryptr | better? |
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| 08:29.38 | jelly-hme | those awards are handy as doorstops, I have a couple |
| 08:29.49 | cryptr | useless no, uberobvious yes. |
| 08:30.14 | cryptr | or over simplified as hell :) |
| 08:30.18 | cryptr | yeah i agree useless. |
| 08:30.42 | jelly-hme | needless might be a more pedantic term but "UUOC" is customary |
| 08:31.16 | cryptr | i bow to thee :) |
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| 08:31.39 | linis | cryptr: awesome! thanks dude ;) |
| 08:32.51 | iaj | hmmm.. how an I find out about how much memory is installed on a debian machine?? |
| 08:33.22 | cryptr | free |
| 08:33.27 | cryptr | dmesg | grep Mem |
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| 08:34.16 | cryptr | cat /proc/meminfo |
| 08:34.22 | cryptr | another UUOC! |
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| 08:35.00 | cryptr | This is good |
| 08:35.00 | cryptr | $ grep MemTotal /proc/meminfo |
| 08:35.00 | cryptr | MemTotal: 3890636 kB |
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| 08:35.24 | iaj | MemTotal: 2075080 kB - so theres only 2 gig installed here? |
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| 08:35.29 | cryptr | aye |
| 08:35.43 | cryptr | if there was more the system would report more even if not a amd64 kernel |
| 08:35.54 | iaj | thanks a lot cryptr |
| 08:35.56 | cryptr | for 32bit 3.8 gb or so is max |
| 08:35.59 | cryptr | np |
| 08:36.32 | cryptr | free is a very good linux command if you have not tested it before. |
| 08:36.49 | cryptr | shows you a little bit less info the /proc/meminfo but it is more readable |
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| 08:36.58 | cryptr | also less confusing compared to top |
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| 08:41.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, it's not, that's what the -bigmem kernels are for |
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| 08:42.02 | cryptr | CutMeOwnThroat: true |
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| 08:42.44 | cryptr | apologizes for the missleading information |
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| 09:00.42 | chicognu | how do i |
| 09:01.00 | chicognu | configure X to use a specific driver ? |
| 09:01.34 | d5e | edit /etc/X11/xporg.conf |
| 09:01.40 | d5e | xorg.conf |
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| 09:07.30 | cryptr | if you have no /etc/X11/xorg.conf (autodetect in xorg nowdays) do Xorg -configure and then copy the file created into /etc/X11/ |
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| 09:19.24 | harold | Why does my screen go blank every 15-30mins? According to xset q, DPSM is disabled and timeout=0... |
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| 09:20.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think it might be, what we geeks technically call a "screensaver" |
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| 09:21.26 | harold | CutMeOwnThroat: Why? timeout is already 0. Shouldn't that disabled it? |
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| 09:22.07 | chicognu | I`am trying to configure 3d support in lenny, withou sucess. i have a core i3 processor, any one can help me please |
| 09:22.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, didn't see the 2nd line :) but might be some separate program? |
| 09:23.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | harold, gnome has its own screen saver ... |
| 09:23.40 | harold | Hmm, pretty sure I'm using XFCE |
| 09:23.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | "ps aux |grep scree" might provide a clue |
| 09:24.03 | harold | Oh, no I'm using gnome atm. |
| 09:24.09 | paradigm | chicognu: is the Core i3 one of intel's processors with the built-in graphics? Or is it Intel graphics on the motherboard? Or do you have separate graphics from AMD or nVidia? |
| 09:24.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | xfce probably also has a screensaver... most DE will have it |
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| 09:24.57 | iaj | hi there- currenlty got etch running - is there a safe and easy way to upgrade to latest? |
| 09:25.14 | cryptr | apt-get update |
| 09:25.17 | cryptr | apt-get dist-ugprade |
| 09:25.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | iaj, /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 09:25.33 | cryptr | after changing etch -> lenny in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:25.45 | cryptr | then hope all works :) |
| 09:25.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | iaj, or just read the topic, which says the same |
| 09:25.53 | iaj | cryptr: how long might that ake? |
| 09:25.53 | chicognu | paradigm, builtin grafics |
| 09:25.55 | iaj | take... ? |
| 09:26.11 | ethanol | mornin' all! |
| 09:26.12 | cryptr | iaj: depends on your machine and your internet |
| 09:26.20 | cryptr | morning eth |
| 09:26.37 | paradigm | chicognu: I suspect the problem is your computer is newer then Lenny, and so Lenny doesn't come with the drivers for it (yet). You can try getting a newer kernel from Debian backports, which will likely have the drivers necessary. |
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| 09:27.38 | chicognu | paradigm, I compiled the new stable kernel already, the 2.6.36... |
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| 09:27.52 | paradigm | oh |
| 09:28.00 | paradigm | yeah then I've got no idea |
| 09:28.07 | cryptr | iaj: i would guess 15-20min on a server that is intel p3 or p4 if it is a desktop then loads more depending on how much you have installed |
| 09:28.10 | chicognu | paradigm, :( |
| 09:28.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | iaj, hard to say, with an ok connection, perhaps 2-3h + problems? Also depends on the amount of packages you have installed, no? big spread there - amount of problems can also vary widely and will be able to take up a lot of time if it happens.... |
| 09:28.30 | paradigm | chicognu: maybe you need a newer X as well? Have you tried squeeze or another distro? |
| 09:28.32 | cryptr | iaj: there might be some things you have to consider though so check the tipuc /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 09:28.43 | cryptr | iaj: been a while since I moved on from etch |
| 09:28.53 | cryptr | iaj: but I did just that on a server and it went fine |
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| 09:29.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I always leave it running in the background and only check back occasionally for questions, that tends to delay the process :) |
| 09:29.16 | iaj | cryptr: thanks a lot... :-) |
| 09:29.31 | chicognu | paradigm, I think it is some configuration in xorg.conf, the corg.conf is using vesa, I don`t know what drive to put there. I use ubuntu 10.4 LTS Desktop, and 3d works fine on it |
| 09:29.34 | cryptr | CutMeOwnThroat: true, same here, like days :) |
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| 09:30.30 | gusnan | chicognu, I thought you said Lenny? |
| 09:30.52 | chicognu | gusnan, yes |
| 09:31.05 | paradigm | chicognu: in my experiences, with Lenny and onwards, you don't really need to mess with the xorg.conf. So long as the kernel has the drivers and the xorg is new enough it ``just works''. |
| 09:31.06 | chicognu | gusnan, I`m using Debian Lenny |
| 09:31.22 | gusnan | ah, I misread. |
| 09:31.23 | cryptr | paradigm: agreeed on that |
| 09:31.23 | harold | CutMeOwnThroat: So yeah, apparently the gnome screen saver and power down settings are enabled. |
| 09:31.38 | harold | CutMeOwnThroat: But why oh why does gnome not respect the xset values? |
| 09:31.53 | cryptr | because it is gnome :) |
| 09:31.55 | chicognu | gusnan, or I misstype, english is not my native language :) |
| 09:31.58 | cryptr | gnomes do not trust others |
| 09:32.16 | iaj | cryptr: all the cron jobs and stuff should still be there... if everything goes smoothly - correct? |
| 09:32.19 | cryptr | chicognu: you did state you use ubuntu 10.4 |
| 09:32.19 | iaj | :D |
| 09:32.35 | cryptr | iaj: _IF_ everything goes smooth.. |
| 09:32.56 | cryptr | iaj: double check double check backup /etc first |
| 09:33.01 | chicognu | i used, I tested... In the past :) |
| 09:33.04 | chicognu | sorry |
| 09:33.06 | chicognu | :) |
| 09:33.23 | cryptr | iaj: I know there is an issue with named going ethc - > lenny |
| 09:33.26 | iaj | cryptr: mhhh alright - thanks :-) |
| 09:33.44 | cryptr | iaj: if it is a DNS server you have to read up on that |
| 09:33.59 | cryptr | iaj: because clients wont be able to query it without conf modifications |
| 09:34.04 | cryptr | iaj: I ran into that myself |
| 09:34.08 | gusnan | chicognu, your goal should be newer versions of xserver-xorg-video-intel - I don't know how easy that is to do on Lenny though... |
| 09:34.20 | chicognu | paradigm, it is hard to compile xorg ? do you think I need to install some package ? |
| 09:34.37 | cryptr | chicognu: go squeeze instead and check that first |
| 09:34.43 | nsadmin | the real deal is this... if you get an answer that's supposed to be for lenny, you apply it to anything at your own risk :) as long as you're ok with that, go ahead on |
| 09:35.04 | iaj | cryptr: hm we just got a mysql db running on that server... performing php scripts and so on - that shouldn't be a problem at all, correct? |
| 09:35.05 | chicognu | gusnan, humm... it is a question about install a package or I need compile ? |
| 09:35.22 | chicognu | cryptr, you mean, a distro upgrade ? |
| 09:35.22 | cryptr | iaj: you will go from php4 to php5 i think |
| 09:35.34 | chicognu | or just add some reposytores ? |
| 09:35.38 | cryptr | iaj: as long as that works for your scripts i think you will be ok, I do not remember any mysql problems |
| 09:35.43 | paradigm | chicognu: I don't remember ever trying to compile xorg, but I dno't think it'd be to terribly hard if you're used to compiling other things. Grab build-essential and whatever libraries it asks for. Although I feel you should first try Debian Squeeze - it's almost released. Good chance it'll work there. |
| 09:35.44 | cryptr | chicognu: switch disto |
| 09:35.48 | iaj | cryptr: can there be some trouble? |
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| 09:36.16 | cryptr | iaj: depends on how you coded things, globals enabled? |
| 09:36.36 | cryptr | iaj: pretty sure many global things are deprecated in php5 and might be disabled |
| 09:36.52 | nsadmin | chicognu: what's the problem with xorg in lenny? |
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| 09:37.15 | cryptr | iaj: I would do this, install lenny in a qemu/virtualbox or something, test your php and mysql there first |
| 09:37.19 | cryptr | iaj: before upgrading |
| 09:37.33 | paradigm | iaj: i concure with cryptr |
| 09:37.34 | cryptr | iaj: that way you are atleast prepared for any php/mysql errors |
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| 09:38.17 | chicognu | nsadmin, I don`t think there is any problem with xorg in lenny. I`m trying to install 3D suport for a I3 core with integrated graphics card, with out success |
| 09:38.21 | iaj | hmmm... yeah.. but that's a large step to take |
| 09:38.24 | iaj | paradigm: huh? |
| 09:38.27 | nsadmin | if php-5.x is totally incompatible with php-5.(x+1), that makes php fairly unstable overall |
| 09:38.56 | cryptr | iaj: concure = agrees :) |
| 09:38.58 | paradigm | iaj: I'd also recommend, as cryptr did, that you try it out in a VM b efore doing so on your actual box |
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| 09:39.11 | nsadmin | chicognu: this video is now in the computer with the lenny? |
| 09:39.16 | iaj | oops... sorry... :-) |
| 09:39.26 | paradigm | not a problem |
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| 09:39.44 | cryptr | not that I remember 100% correct but etch was php4 right? |
| 09:39.44 | paradigm | Rooms like this are international, I need to be careful about my word choice |
| 09:40.05 | chicognu | nsadmin, you mean, if the video card is right now with the computer with lenny ? if so, yes, it is! |
| 09:40.16 | nsadmin | ok, lspci -nn |
| 09:40.19 | iaj | i more or less found a - opposite - translation based on my german knowledge :) |
| 09:40.29 | nsadmin | and look for the text line that describes this video |
| 09:40.35 | nsadmin | show just that one line here |
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| 09:41.02 | chicognu | paradigm, the xorg --configure in general way should genarate a file with the correct drive, if it is avible, right |
| 09:41.20 | chicognu | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 0046 (rev 12) nsadmin |
| 09:41.29 | nsadmin | lspci -nn |
| 09:41.34 | chicognu | sorry |
| 09:41.37 | nsadmin | don't forget the -nn :) |
| 09:41.48 | paradigm | chicognu: yes, I believe so |
| 09:42.13 | nsadmin | try again :) |
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| 09:42.24 | nsadmin | with -nn that is |
| 09:42.35 | chicognu | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:0046] (rev 12) |
| 09:42.58 | nsadmin | judd, pciid 8086:0046 |
| 09:43.01 | judd | [8086:0046] is 'Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'i915' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0046 |
| 09:43.35 | chicognu | cool |
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| 09:44.13 | chicognu | judd, pciid 197b:2383 |
| 09:44.15 | judd | [197b:2383] is 'MS Host Controller' from 'JMicron Technology Corp.' with kernel modules 'jmb38x_ms', 'jmicron', 'ahci' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=197b:2383 |
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| 09:44.45 | Steppenwolf | anyone awake? |
| 09:44.58 | chicognu | judd, pciid 197b:0250 |
| 09:44.59 | nsadmin | it's all part of the dream, dream, dream... |
| 09:44.59 | judd | [197b:0250] is 'JMC250 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'JMicron Technology Corp.' with kernel modules 'jmicron', 'ahci' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=197b:0250 |
| 09:45.19 | chicognu | wow, judd lie hard |
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| 09:45.44 | chicognu | this module if is in lenny, the system don`t reconize, or install it |
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| 09:46.04 | nsadmin | what's your uname -r? |
| 09:46.31 | Steppenwolf | which of the rc?.d scripts dictate the startup on standard debian, anyone know? |
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| 09:46.35 | chicognu | know is 2.6.36, I upgrade the kernel most because that module nsadmin |
| 09:47.07 | cryptr | Steppenwolf: rc2.d is default runlevel |
| 09:47.18 | Steppenwolf | thanks! |
| 09:47.28 | nsadmin | Steppenwolf: see /etc/inittab |
| 09:47.31 | cryptr | Steppenwolf: but depending on lenny or squeeze it is different on how things in /etc/init.d are loaded |
| 09:48.05 | nsadmin | does squeeze have upstart well integrated now? |
| 09:48.05 | chicognu | nsadmin, any ideia about how to setup the 3D support here with out change the version of my distro ? |
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| 09:48.29 | nsadmin | that kernel you have, you built it yourself? |
| 09:48.34 | chicognu | yes |
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| 09:48.54 | paradigm | chicognu: you sure you got the proper stuff in the driver? |
| 09:48.57 | paradigm | for the new card? |
| 09:49.00 | nsadmin | you might have to either rebuild or build the i915 module |
| 09:49.08 | vtts | Steppenwolf, rcS.d, then rc2.d |
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| 09:49.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | this sounds a bit like a stupid question.. but for two separate problems preventing the same program from starting, I would file two separate bugs, right? |
| 09:49.38 | panosru | Hello, could anyone provide me any guide on how to setup an external mail server ? |
| 09:50.06 | nsadmin | external? |
| 09:50.12 | nsadmin | external to what? |
| 09:50.19 | chicognu | paradigm, in kernel config ? sure, sure, I don`t have ... I look the device support, the video card, and select all intel* as module... |
| 09:50.33 | chicognu | nsadmin, in kernel ? |
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| 09:50.46 | nsadmin | chicognu, did you use make-kpkg? |
| 09:50.46 | cryptr | panosru: I believe it is far easier for you to google that |
| 09:50.59 | chicognu | nsadmin, no |
| 09:50.59 | cryptr | panosru: and try some first |
| 09:51.14 | cryptr | panosru: then come back if you have questions, I would suggest postfix though |
| 09:51.40 | paradigm | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't know for sure, but that's what I would expect |
| 09:51.45 | cryptr | panosru: I find that the easiest and most stable way (my own opinion though) |
| 09:52.00 | petan | is it possible to upgrade some packages from sid and keep them? |
| 09:52.05 | panosru | cryptr: I tried to google "debian use osx mailserver", or "debian setup external mail server" and things like that I jus though that if I asked here maybe someone already done it before and could provide me guide :) |
| 09:52.19 | petan | like to upgrade something and switch back to stable lenny |
| 09:52.20 | nsadmin | chicognu: you -might- try building again using it; it's in the package kernel-package |
| 09:52.26 | panosru | I use debian as a virtual machine for my development environment (as a web server) in my OSX machine |
| 09:52.33 | cryptr | petan: that would be unwise Id say |
| 09:52.50 | petan | cryptr: what would happen? why do you think that |
| 09:52.52 | panosru | and I have setup a mail server in my osx which works great for local testings and things like that |
| 09:52.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | paradigm, right... |
| 09:52.55 | cryptr | panosru: aha you mean external smtp or so? |
| 09:53.17 | chicognu | nsadmin, paradigm wow, one seond pleas .. I just run modprob i915, and there is a module with that name |
| 09:53.19 | nsadmin | petan: sid is based on newer libs, which could damage something earlier (like lenny or squeeze) |
| 09:53.19 | cryptr | petan: most likely you would have a broken system, first it would most likely upgrade all base to sid |
| 09:53.22 | panosru | cryptr: yeah |
| 09:53.48 | iaj | whats the apt- command for showing package information? like which php version is currently installed? |
| 09:53.58 | paradigm | iaj: apt-cache show $packagename |
| 09:54.05 | cryptr | panosru: you want your vbox to send emails via the host OSC? |
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| 09:54.09 | cryptr | OSX.. |
| 09:54.09 | nsadmin | chicognu, ok, suggest you restart x and then try glxgears |
| 09:54.13 | petan | why newer libs does not work with older software? that does not make sense. |
| 09:54.20 | panosru | cryptr: yes exactly |
| 09:54.47 | cryptr | panosru: and you know that the OSX mailserver works as a relay? smtp? |
| 09:55.12 | chicognu | nsadmin, my xorg.conf still with vesa in drive section, I need to change it before |
| 09:55.13 | chicognu | ? |
| 09:55.14 | nsadmin | it's not just the libs, it's that the packaging of the newer libs will cause some of your installed packages to be removed and/or replaced by newer |
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| 09:56.09 | chicognu | 4701 frames in 5.0 seconds = 938.435 FPS nsadmin it looks like 3d acelaration is actived ? |
| 09:56.23 | nsadmin | hmm, that looks good |
| 09:56.25 | panosru | cryptr: I think it works as smtp |
| 09:56.42 | nsadmin | look over output of glxinfo |
| 09:57.12 | nsadmin | (so now you should arrange for module i915 to be loaded at boot) |
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| 09:57.45 | iaj | paradigm: thanks so if do a apt-cache show php5 and get information - theres php5 installed here? |
| 09:57.47 | nsadmin | try something 3d :) |
| 09:57.53 | nsadmin | got doom4? |
| 09:58.03 | chicognu | direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose) nsadmin |
| 09:58.31 | panosru | cryptr: ok I got it working :P |
| 09:58.41 | chicognu | nsadmin, planet penguin race ... too slow |
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| 09:58.48 | cryptr | panosru: install exim4 then confgiureit as a smarthost and point it to the IP of your host OSX, you might have to setup a host-only network in virtualbox for the guest to be able to speak to the host directly |
| 09:58.58 | nsadmin | hmm. that's not so good, but it does look like you're on your way |
| 10:00.21 | chicognu | nsadmin, wait, I will close xorg |
| 10:00.42 | cryptr | iaj: nope, you use dpkg -l | grep php5 to see local stuff |
| 10:00.57 | cryptr | iaj: apt-cache show checks the apt-database you update with apt-get update |
| 10:01.11 | tarzeau | ~/KDE/Share/Apps/Clipper what's that good for? |
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| 10:03.33 | chicognu | in the xorg configuration file I change the vesa driver for i915, but there is no such module |
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| 10:03.40 | chicognu | nsadmin, |
| 10:04.47 | nsadmin | could you repost that pciid |
| 10:04.57 | nsadmin | wait, hold that thought |
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| 10:06.26 | chicognu | ok |
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| 10:06.44 | my007ms | apt-cache search eclipse-cdt <--- can not find it i use lenny |
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| 10:07.57 | nsadmin | ok what was the video card's pciid again? |
| 10:08.05 | cryptr | chicognu: it is called "intel" |
| 10:08.11 | chicognu | [8086:0046 nsadmin |
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| 10:08.21 | cryptr | chicognu: apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 10:08.48 | cryptr | chicognu: I use that for my laptop |
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| 10:09.12 | my007ms | what new line i need to add in my sources.list so i can install eclipse using normal apt-get ? |
| 10:09.23 | nsadmin | is this a laptop? |
| 10:09.24 | cryptr | non-free? |
| 10:09.45 | chicognu | nsadmin, yes |
| 10:09.54 | nsadmin | toshiba tecra a11? |
| 10:10.12 | themill | my007ms: it's not in lenny at all and it's also not in squeeze. This isn't a good prospect. |
| 10:10.17 | chicognu | nsadmin, no, from a brazilian manufacture, called cce |
| 10:10.23 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 10:10.46 | chicognu | cryptr, it is already installed, should I change the vesa driver for intel in xorg configuration |
| 10:10.51 | my007ms | themill :( i have source code that only can be compile with eclipse i don't no how it work inside |
| 10:12.03 | chicognu | nsadmin, I will restart X |
| 10:12.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | wondering about bug-severity... how would I know it's a hardware-specific bug? I would say severety is "grave", but of course it might be hardware-specific and I would not be able to know |
| 10:12.44 | cryptr | dam di dam |
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| 10:12.57 | cryptr | somone should tell cicognu about screen and irc :) |
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| 10:13.23 | chicognu | there is no intel driver :( |
| 10:13.29 | cryptr | chicognu: aye the intel driver is called "intel" |
| 10:13.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | feel free to do so |
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| 10:13.54 | nsadmin | what package for the intel xorg driver? |
| 10:14.02 | cryptr | chicognu: ls /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ |
| 10:14.38 | chicognu | nsadmin, I think it is xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 10:14.40 | cryptr | chicognu: what do you have there |
| 10:14.56 | nsadmin | chicognu, try installing that :) |
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| 10:15.50 | cryptr | chicognu: did you check what files you have in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ |
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| 10:15.58 | chicognu | http://pastebin.com/f1gxGU1S cryptr |
| 10:16.13 | chicognu | nsadmin, it is already installed |
| 10:16.20 | cryptr | i see intel |
| 10:16.23 | cryptr | intel_drv.so |
| 10:16.27 | nsadmin | meetoo |
| 10:16.29 | cryptr | so you have it |
| 10:16.40 | cryptr | xorg conf should say Driver "intel" |
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| 10:16.57 | nsadmin | try this... |
| 10:17.11 | chicognu | and why when I change the vesa for intel in xorg.conf it says there is no such module ? |
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| 10:18.01 | nsadmin | restart x with that, then copy /var/log/Xorg.0.log to somewhere and then pastebin it |
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| 10:18.13 | chicognu | nsadmin, with my atual configuration ? |
| 10:18.27 | cryptr | with "vesa" replaced by "intel" |
| 10:18.28 | nsadmin | yes, including Driver "intel" |
| 10:19.10 | chicognu | should I use the full name ? in the place of intel, I useu intel_drv ? |
| 10:19.25 | nsadmin | pastebinit used to be a good idea... then all the pastebin sites went away... is that fixed in lenny? |
| 10:19.37 | nsadmin | no, just intel |
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| 10:20.36 | nsadmin | chicognu, notice that you have vesa_drv.so |
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| 10:21.46 | chicognu | now it is: Identifier "Card0"Driver "intel"VendorName "Intel Corporation" |
| 10:21.49 | chicognu | closing X |
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| 10:22.12 | djszapi | is there way to tell to dpkg to not install documentations, /usr/share/{doc,man} ? |
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| 10:23.56 | BlackFate | no |
| 10:24.12 | jelly | djszapi: no, but you can set up a post-install hook to wipe all the files |
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| 10:24.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, feel like doing "apt-get install mgltools-pmv idle-python2.6 python-imaging-tk" on squeeze and telling me if it works for them? |
| 10:24.43 | chicognu | nsadmin, here it is http://pastebin.com/McyeSDRh |
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| 10:25.07 | nsadmin | how's glxgears running now? is it still not working? |
| 10:25.21 | djszapi | jelly: I mean in a ready-made package... |
| 10:25.35 | djszapi | when I would like to install it. |
| 10:25.43 | jelly | djszapi: that applies to all the packages |
| 10:25.53 | djszapi | exactly, dpkg feature... |
| 10:25.56 | nsadmin | your post install hook could archive the docs |
| 10:26.10 | jelly | djszapi: not a dpkg feature, an apt feature |
| 10:26.17 | djszapi | does not really matter. |
| 10:26.18 | djszapi | whatever. |
| 10:26.38 | djszapi | can I install a debian package with dpkg without the documentation in the data.tar.gz ? |
| 10:27.02 | chicognu | nsadmin, glxgears ways work 4580 frames in 5.0 seconds = 914.356 FPS ... |
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| 10:27.28 | nsadmin | that's similar to the performance before, right? |
| 10:27.29 | jelly | djszapi: this is what eg. debsums package does, you can put something similar in /etc/apt/apt.conf or a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/: DPkg::Post-Invoke { "if [ -x /usr/bin/debsums ]; then /usr/bin/debsums --generate=nocheck -sp /var/cache/apt/archives; fi"; }; |
| 10:27.34 | chicognu | nsadmin, but no dri, and no true 3d suport |
| 10:27.36 | chicognu | nsadmin, yes |
| 10:27.49 | chicognu | nsadmin, and the driver ~intel~ dont work |
| 10:27.58 | nsadmin | ok, look over that log |
| 10:28.14 | jelly | djszapi: you could enumerate and wipe all the files under those directories |
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| 10:28.46 | nsadmin | I wonder if it's an issue about compatibility between the version of intel_drv.so and the kernel version (and version of the i915 module) |
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| 10:29.10 | iaj | cryptr: so if it says php5-common in my dpkg -l - do I have php5 installed :)? I can't run php -version because I don't have the root pass yet. |
| 10:29.15 | iaj | sorry got a disc :\ |
| 10:29.52 | nsadmin | chicognu, look at the Xorg log you pastebinned earlier, see if that's informative |
| 10:30.23 | cryptr | iaj: just php5-common? thats not enough |
| 10:30.30 | nsadmin | notice that the kernel is somehow involved here... so incompatibility could exist |
| 10:30.35 | chicognu | nsadmin, that log to me is more like read Cirillo |
| 10:30.38 | jelly | djszapi: man apt.conf has some details about Post-Invoke (not much though, you'll have to read apt docs) |
| 10:30.39 | iaj | cryptr: theres nothing else about php :\ |
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| 10:30.47 | cryptr | iaj: should have some apache module ex: libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 10:31.02 | nsadmin | well you've done good up to this point... |
| 10:31.05 | cryptr | iaj: are you on the etch box now? or in a lenny? |
| 10:31.14 | nsadmin | grep -n for EE |
| 10:32.02 | iaj | cryptr: I'm on the etch box |
| 10:32.18 | iaj | cryptr: libapache2-mod-php5 is installed as well..sorry |
| 10:32.39 | cryptr | iaj: then you ahave php5 atleast |
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| 10:32.49 | cryptr | iaj: could you do a cat /etc/debian_version |
| 10:32.52 | cryptr | iaj: and post that |
| 10:32.59 | iaj | so I shouldn't be frightened about the GLOBALS problem? |
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| 10:33.20 | nsadmin | there are no errors (EE) and 12 warnings |
| 10:33.30 | cryptr | iaj: you could still have register_globals on in your /etc/php5/apache configs |
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| 10:33.53 | iaj | cryptr: 4.0 it gives. |
| 10:33.58 | cryptr | oki |
| 10:34.05 | chicognu | nsadmin, but that log is the last created log, right ? |
| 10:34.40 | nsadmin | that log is written again every time you start x |
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| 10:34.54 | cryptr | iaj: i think that register_globals has been default off ofr a while so you might be safe |
| 10:34.56 | iaj | cryptr: register_globals=off it tells |
| 10:35.00 | cryptr | iaj:good |
| 10:35.07 | cryptr | iaj: then you do not have to worry about that atleast |
| 10:35.08 | chicognu | nsadmin, iam not with intel driver in xorg, i put intel drive in xorg, and close X, but it don`t start again, saying there is no intel driver, so I change intel to VESA and restart X |
| 10:35.16 | iaj | cryptr: hehe :) alright, thanks a lot mate |
| 10:35.21 | cryptr | iaj: and if you use nothing else then mysql and php you should be ok do upgrade |
| 10:35.27 | chicognu | nsadmin, With intel in driver section X dont start |
| 10:35.29 | nsadmin | oh, so intel still doesn't work? |
| 10:35.36 | cryptr | iaj: but do it during non office hourse :) |
| 10:35.36 | chicognu | no, it never work |
| 10:35.39 | cryptr | hours... |
| 10:35.52 | iaj | cryptr: one other thing, where is php usually located? |
| 10:36.04 | nsadmin | ok, then do this... (wait till I'm done tho) |
| 10:36.05 | cryptr | iaj: cli or the module? |
| 10:36.17 | iaj | cli... and the module as well, heh:) |
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| 10:36.47 | cryptr | cli in /usr/bin |
| 10:36.56 | cryptr | module in usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so |
| 10:36.58 | nsadmin | stop X, replace config so it's intel, start x again (use just X) and let it die |
| 10:37.13 | nsadmin | then copy the log file so it doesn't overwrite it |
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| 10:37.22 | serard | hello |
| 10:37.36 | nsadmin | then reset the config so X will start so you can come here |
| 10:37.45 | cryptr | iaj: for binaries you can always do which <binary> to see where it exists |
| 10:37.47 | nsadmin | then pastebin the copy |
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| 10:38.05 | nsadmin | chicognu: got all that? |
| 10:38.13 | chicognu | nsadmin, and how I will put the log in past bin if the X will not start |
| 10:38.39 | nsadmin | copy the log file before starting x with working config |
| 10:39.03 | chicognu | nsadmin, where is the log ? |
| 10:39.09 | chicognu | again, please |
| 10:39.15 | djszapi | jelly: mmh |
| 10:39.29 | nsadmin | it's /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 10:39.58 | nsadmin | so copy that file to (hmm, where... hmm...) your home dir |
| 10:40.39 | nsadmin | after you try to do X with the currently bad config |
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| 10:40.49 | djszapi | jelly: how can I enumerate and wipe ? |
| 10:40.51 | chicognu | closing X again |
| 10:41.05 | jelly | djszapi: dunno, using find and rm? |
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| 10:41.23 | jelly | or whatever you like |
| 10:42.13 | cryptr | mkfs.ext3 /dev/hd && directories |
| 10:42.33 | cryptr | but that's just evil |
| 10:42.43 | djszapi | jelly: I think I misses the basic knowledge about that. |
| 10:42.59 | djszapi | can you give me a package and example where it works, even a simple package ? |
| 10:43.09 | cryptr | djszapi: you do not want any docs or mans? |
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| 10:43.22 | nsadmin | the docs are not divided into a separate package |
| 10:43.32 | cryptr | djszapi: rm -fr /usr/share/doc/packagename |
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| 10:43.49 | cryptr | manfiles, a bit harder |
| 10:43.49 | jelly | djszapi: sorry, that would require me to do all the footwork instead of you, and I'm not doing that for free |
| 10:44.11 | nsadmin | chicognu, maybe now we can tell what's going on |
| 10:44.19 | cryptr | djszapi: curious, why do you not want the docs and mans? |
| 10:44.35 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: no problems doing that at all |
| 10:44.41 | jelly | cryptr: well, the policy only says you're safe to delete files in doc/packagename/, not the directories. |
| 10:44.44 | djszapi | cryptr: because that is sometimes very large on embedded systems, just check Nokia phones out. |
| 10:44.47 | nsadmin | he's got one of those really old drives that only store two bytes |
| 10:45.11 | cryptr | djszapi: ahh not man though? docs yeah |
| 10:45.18 | chicognu | http://pastebin.com/NwC9zJSQ nsadmin cryptr |
| 10:45.23 | djszapi | both I would like to avoid. |
| 10:45.25 | cryptr | djszapi: then as jelly say delete /usr/share/doc/<packaname>/* |
| 10:46.00 | jelly | cryptr: I didn't say that. I said "remove files only", and that command might not. |
| 10:46.15 | nsadmin | line 297 |
| 10:46.19 | cryptr | chicognu: sadly that driver most likely dont support your new i3 chip |
| 10:47.03 | nsadmin | so it looks like you were right in the first place, that you needed a newer intel driver |
| 10:47.15 | djszapi | cryptr: DPkg::Post-Invoke { "if [ -x /usr/bin/debsums ]; then /usr/bin/debsums --generate=nocheck -sp /var/cache/apt/archives; fi"; rm -rf /usr/share/doc/<packaname>/*} ? |
| 10:47.20 | cryptr | squeeze supports a few more |
| 10:47.30 | jelly | cryptr, djszapi: that bit would be more like find /usr/share/doc/packagename -type f -delete. But you still have to figure out which package got installed, and for that you need to use the "version 2 protocol" between apt and dpkg that man apt.conf writes about |
| 10:47.31 | djszapi | in a /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99test file ? |
| 10:47.54 | chicognu | cryptr, nsadmin so, compiling new xorg |
| 10:48.07 | cryptr | chicognu: or try new x driver |
| 10:48.09 | djszapi | jelly: would not it be a better design to implement a dpkg feature for this purpose ? |
| 10:48.16 | chicognu | cryptr, how |
| 10:48.17 | jelly | djszapi: no |
| 10:48.20 | djszapi | another option, for example. |
| 10:48.21 | cryptr | chicognu: http://intellinuxgraphics.org/ |
| 10:48.28 | cryptr | chicognu: demands a few compiles anyway |
| 10:48.33 | jelly | djszapi: I mean, sure, go ahead and implement it |
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| 10:48.53 | djszapi | jelly: I can give it a try, but is there any chance it will be accepted ? |
| 10:49.05 | chicognu | cryptr, it is a trusted source of files ? |
| 10:49.06 | themill | djszapi: feel free to send patches -- the embedded people might be interested in them, but I doubt it. They've gone down the path or reworking the debs themselves to remove the documentation. |
| 10:49.23 | cryptr | djszapi: I do not think the general debian distribution is ment for nokia phones or anything similar. |
| 10:49.25 | jelly | djszapi: but frankly you seem a bit wobbly even with basic shell syntax and reading docs... are you sure C coding is what you want to do? |
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| 10:49.34 | djszapi | themill: do not be silly, just check Nokia phone out pls as I mentioned ;) |
| 10:49.48 | themill | djszapi: sure, send me one and I'll look over it. |
| 10:49.50 | jelly | djszapi: I'd suggest using emdebian |
| 10:50.04 | djszapi | jelly: I have been doing C coding for 5-6 ages in teh industry. |
| 10:50.06 | cryptr | chicognu: I do believe it is that source you already have in your xorg |
| 10:50.13 | cryptr | chicognu: just older. |
| 10:50.14 | djszapi | I do not know how it is related to bash knowledge... |
| 10:50.21 | djszapi | or dpkg internal... |
| 10:50.23 | themill | djszapi: you might like to look at emdebian where they have done precisely what I just mentioned. |
| 10:50.37 | cryptr | chicognu: i use 2.13.0 from them, works for my laptop |
| 10:50.39 | djszapi | or whatever, but a good way to insist me unneccesarily when I would like to help. |
| 10:50.39 | nsadmin | if you want to build a package, you will need more than just C |
| 10:51.26 | cryptr | chicognu: but as we said before, squeeze has 2.12.0 i believe. which will most likely be far better then the lenny version, squeeze is better for laptops anyway then lenny is |
| 10:51.32 | nsadmin | but you could send diffs that are applyable against existing debian sources |
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| 10:51.46 | nsadmin | then you don't need to know the packaging system |
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| 10:52.32 | nsadmin | but yes, it's misterobvious again... if you don't know the packaging system, you won't be able to build a package yourself |
| 10:52.34 | chicognu | cryptr, I just download the six pack dvd rom :( it is sad need to download anything again :( |
| 10:53.18 | nsadmin | how much download is it? |
| 10:53.43 | cryptr | djszapi: nokia already ditched naemo right? for the redhat thing they have going on with intel |
| 10:53.48 | chicognu | about 25gb nsadmin |
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| 10:54.03 | nsadmin | 25 gigs?? just for the driver?? |
| 10:54.04 | cryptr | chicognu: ouch, why not just netinstall :) |
| 10:54.11 | nsadmin | nono, not the dvds |
| 10:54.44 | djszapi | jelly: will this version 2 protocol way be global instead of doing separately when I would like to do ? |
| 10:54.45 | TwoTwenty | I luv debian |
| 10:54.48 | TwoTwenty | :) |
| 10:54.50 | nsadmin | how much to download the driver |
| 10:54.55 | TwoTwenty | why is GNU goodness |
| 10:54.57 | chicognu | nsadmin, no .. cryptr sugest me to install squeezee and I told him that is too sad need to download anyother distro after download the six pack dvds |
| 10:55.19 | nsadmin | you can upgrade your lenny in place |
| 10:55.26 | djszapi | themill: nothing related to embdebian on Nokia phones... |
| 10:55.37 | djszapi | they provide another distribution for sure. |
| 10:55.56 | djszapi | and there are many other cases, rly. |
| 10:55.57 | chicognu | cryptr, I`m a little bit paranoic about go off-line for long periods, so I like to have all softwares in hand if I need |
| 10:56.05 | themill | djszapi: why do you keep going on about nokia? We're talking about debian here. |
| 10:56.05 | nsadmin | just so you know for next time... you don't need to download the dvd or cd images if the machine has a reasonable net connection |
| 10:56.19 | djszapi | is not dpkg debian related stuff ? |
| 10:56.31 | nsadmin | not necessarily |
| 10:56.34 | cryptr | chicognu: ah well to just test you can try netinstall 256mb download or something then just apt-get isntall everything |
| 10:56.39 | djszapi | I wonder again why you insult me instead of apologizing if you say something being incorrect. |
| 10:56.41 | themill | djszapi: no. |
| 10:57.15 | cryptr | chicognu: as nsadmin said, you can also upgrade it |
| 10:57.45 | chicognu | I will try first build the new drivers, to see if it work |
| 10:58.00 | cryptr | chicognu: can be a bit tricky for lenny but do try, I have only done it on squeeze |
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| 10:58.12 | nsadmin | djszapi, I would invite you to consider a thought: the only way for someone to insult you is if you give your permission, if you become open to it |
| 10:58.27 | jelly | djszapi: dpkg and apt are used in many distros; this channel only deals with issues in Debian |
| 10:58.40 | themill | djszapi: I'm working very hard here to figure out what your use case is and to point you in the right direction to implement the features you seem to want. You're making it very hard to do so by being very vague and making strange references to some phone company that I know nothing about. Debian is just *one* user of dpkg -- #debian is for debian support. |
| 10:58.58 | nsadmin | chicognu: you may need some or all of the xorg src |
| 10:59.00 | themill | (hence my assumption that you're talking about debian here... and yet you keep refering to nokia as if I know what that means) |
| 10:59.33 | nsadmin | debian was the only user of dpkg for a long time... then others started using it too |
| 11:00.13 | djszapi | themill: I do not know what that vague is in that if one would not like to install documentation, what is vague in this ? |
| 11:00.23 | nsadmin | and for awhile it was ok to talk about that here, but it became too much to remember |
| 11:00.30 | djszapi | he would like to spare space, whatever, what is vague in it, why cannot one have that requirement ? |
| 11:00.35 | themill | djszapi: well you've been given three different answers to that already that you seem to have rejected. |
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| 11:00.55 | nsadmin | you can have that requirement if you want |
| 11:01.02 | djszapi | exactly. |
| 11:01.08 | themill | djszapi: so that leaves me to conclude that there is some further requirement that you're not telling us. |
| 11:01.10 | nsadmin | but it' |
| 11:01.16 | cryptr | djszapi: maybe because the main usage of debian is not for <insert name> phones, but more like todays > 1gigabyte disks |
| 11:01.18 | nsadmin | is a customized situation |
| 11:01.38 | djszapi | themill: Nokia phones was a good example, but please tell me whether there is a dpkg development channel, maybe that would be the next step. |
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| 11:01.53 | djszapi | cryptr: does not matter, rly. |
| 11:02.03 | djszapi | you can spare space anytime, independently from the technology. |
| 11:02.04 | nsadmin | do you really want to go there? :) |
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| 11:02.41 | themill | djszapi: the emdebian people are probably the people you want to be looking at; the dpkg maintainers have a mailing list. |
| 11:02.58 | djszapi | fair enough, ty. |
| 11:03.07 | cryptr | djszapi: oh does it not? i have 1177 packages installed a total of 3.8g of which 159m are docs.. |
| 11:03.11 | nsadmin | here's what that's going to require... installed documentation will have to be marked as such, which means you would have to convince more than a thousand people they should change how they do things |
| 11:03.19 | derry | hi. i've setup debian to log me in and start screen automatically on tty1. however, if i close screen and attempt to logout of tty1 (Ctrl-D), screen just restarts. can i prevent this from happening? |
| 11:03.27 | djszapi | cryptr: you keep being silly, your business. |
| 11:03.31 | cryptr | djszapi: if I wanted to save space I do not think 159M would do any difference |
| 11:03.52 | djszapi | which is better - 0 MB or -159MB if you do not need those spaces ? |
| 11:03.53 | nsadmin | djszapi, and some of those people are going to be VERY hard to convince |
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| 11:04.01 | cryptr | djszapi: no but you seem to no understand that the debian dist is not focused on saving space on documents that take no space in our eyes |
| 11:04.13 | djszapi | why not with separate operation ?? |
| 11:04.25 | Xinux | What is a console editor with c++ syntax highlighting? |
| 11:04.32 | cryptr | Xinux: vim |
| 11:04.33 | djszapi | you are not obligated to use that, but please do not force others to not use, if it perfectly makes sense. |
| 11:04.44 | themill | djszapi: a good portion of these files are things that debian has a legal requirement to distribute. A postinstall hook is probably your best bet and you were told how to do that 40 minutes ago. |
| 11:05.05 | nsadmin | djszapi, in case you missed this part... here's what that's going to require... installed documentation will have to be marked as such, which means you would have to convince more than a thousand people they should change how they do things |
| 11:05.34 | themill | nsadmin: you're already free to blow away files in /usr/share/doc. No packaging changes required |
| 11:05.40 | cryptr | mount usr/share/doc as tmpfs :) |
| 11:05.42 | djszapi | nsadmin: you are really silly, check Nokia phones, Fremantle out...was told x minutes ago. |
| 11:05.48 | djszapi | they deleted the docs files.... |
| 11:06.02 | themill | djszapi: did you send me one of these phones yet so that I *can* check it out? |
| 11:06.15 | themill | suspects this has gone well beyond "debian support" now |
| 11:06.18 | cryptr | still on n900 using that dist anyway |
| 11:06.23 | nsadmin | djszapi, I thought you were talking about debian; I guess you're talking about a different os now? |
| 11:06.29 | cryptr | only n900 |
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| 11:07.03 | nsadmin | themill, yep, now it's different os, and how debian could be like it, and how to change dpkg |
| 11:07.25 | cryptr | and saving 200mb of space :) |
| 11:07.26 | nsadmin | I suspect not enough dds are here to hear it |
| 11:07.49 | themill | "patches > rants" every time. |
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| 11:08.04 | djszapi | themill: you do not need phone, just a scratchbox... |
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| 11:08.24 | djszapi | that is about your knowledge, but extremely clarified super god behaviour of you. |
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| 11:08.52 | nsadmin | HEY!! I'm the only super god around here! |
| 11:08.58 | nsadmin | represent!! |
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| 11:09.10 | themill | djszapi: I give up trying to get you to help yourself. Please submit patches for this to the debian-dpkg mailing list. Have fun with it. |
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| 11:09.51 | cryptr | nsadmin: what is your religion called? |
| 11:09.53 | djszapi | themill: please give it up until you make sense. |
| 11:10.05 | themill | djszapi: likewise. |
| 11:10.12 | nsadmin | fun and stuff! |
| 11:10.19 | cryptr | i think we do not need scratchbox, we need a sandbox! |
| 11:10.23 | cryptr | so we can all fight in it! |
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| 11:10.34 | babilen | wonders what he stumbled into :- |
| 11:10.35 | cryptr | i mean play.. in it. |
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| 11:10.38 | stew | is this all about getting rid of docs post install? |
| 11:10.48 | cryptr | stew: yes :) |
| 11:10.59 | nsadmin | it turns out that it's how to do that for a nokia phone |
| 11:10.59 | stew | then there is no need for a patch, there are already post::invoke hooks |
| 11:11.09 | cryptr | smiles |
| 11:11.12 | djszapi | themill: are you a dpkg developer ? |
| 11:11.15 | themill | stew: apparently none of the three presented options are acceptable. (post-install hooks was mentioned 45minutes ago) |
| 11:11.20 | nsadmin | that point was made an hour ago |
| 11:11.52 | cryptr | I think |
| 11:11.53 | nsadmin | instead of learning about it, he wants to rant n whine |
| 11:11.54 | cryptr | we all need a beer |
| 11:11.57 | cryptr | or several |
| 11:12.02 | stew | and when the docs are too big they should be split into a separate package anyway |
| 11:12.14 | stew | we CANNOT provide a way to get rid of all the docs, since some are required, like copyright |
| 11:12.21 | themill | stew: yeah, that point was made too. And that one. |
| 11:12.26 | stew | ok |
| 11:12.41 | nsadmin | stew: that good point wasn't brought up yet... |
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| 11:12.54 | nsadmin | oh it was? I musta missed it |
| 11:12.56 | djszapi | stew: ofc, neccesary documentations are not stripped... |
| 11:13.07 | djszapi | strange suggestion they are stripped though... |
| 11:13.31 | cryptr | nsadmin: you were deep in xorg then i think |
| 11:13.39 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 11:13.51 | stew | djszapi: if there is any package which you think installs too much docs and should have its docs split into a separate package (so you could skip this package), file a wishlist bug |
| 11:14.20 | themill | stew: it would seem this isn't even about debian packages anyway. |
| 11:14.27 | cryptr | stew: I think it is all about him producing own packages for the naemo os (nokia n900 platform) |
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| 11:14.59 | nsadmin | themill well to his credit he wants to have debian do it because apparantly he likes debian |
| 11:15.09 | cryptr | djszapi: I am correct in that assumption right? You are doing your own debs for the N900? |
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| 11:15.25 | nsadmin | he's frustrated because he didn't know how debian is produced |
| 11:15.39 | dondelelcaro | if this is all about naemo os, just modify dpkg-deb to eliminate everything in /usr/share/doc but the copyright file, ditch all of the man pages, and anything else you don't like, then rebuild the archive. |
| 11:15.54 | dondelelcaro | it's not like it's that hard |
| 11:15.57 | babilen | s/naemo/*m*aemo/ :) |
| 11:16.02 | cryptr | :) |
| 11:16.09 | cryptr | nokia mokia |
| 11:16.15 | cryptr | sorry if i named it wrong |
| 11:16.16 | djszapi | cryptr: no, you have been silly for 1 hour |
| 11:16.24 | cryptr | silly? |
| 11:16.25 | cryptr | ok |
| 11:16.33 | cryptr | then I apologize |
| 11:16.45 | stew | djszapi: there is no reason to degrade the discussion further by attacking individuals |
| 11:16.53 | nsadmin | I don't think he knows how to build .debs yet; earlier he was wondering why he needed to understand the shell |
| 11:17.13 | djszapi | nsadmin: copy the line for me, pls. |
| 11:17.18 | djszapi | because you lie. |
| 11:17.28 | cryptr | mmm |
| 11:17.39 | cryptr | I actually think it was just a missunderstanding |
| 11:17.42 | stew | unless he has other questions, perhaps we can move on... |
| 11:17.48 | cryptr | where one of us thought djszapi was a bit new to shell and commands |
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| 11:18.00 | nsadmin | drops it like the two ton rock that it is |
| 11:18.04 | cryptr | and might have asked him if it was wise to go for C coding |
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| 11:18.14 | cryptr | I do think djszapi took that as a very insulting comment |
| 11:18.22 | cryptr | honest mistake I would say |
| 11:18.23 | themill | blows full time |
| 11:18.25 | dondelelcaro | cryptr: who cares? |
| 11:18.32 | cryptr | dondelelcaro: he does |
| 11:18.38 | dondelelcaro | lets move on |
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| 11:20.27 | cryptr | case closed |
| 11:20.30 | cryptr | next! |
| 11:20.42 | chicognu | cryptr, what protocol are that ? git:// ? |
| 11:20.50 | chicognu | how I get somethink from it ? |
| 11:21.00 | cryptr | chicognu: where what? inteldriver? |
| 11:21.04 | chicognu | yes |
| 11:21.06 | cryptr | ah |
| 11:21.10 | cryptr | apt-cache show git |
| 11:21.15 | cryptr | is like subversion or cvs |
| 11:21.16 | chicognu | git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/mesa/mesa |
| 11:21.18 | cryptr | newer |
| 11:21.35 | themill | cryptr: git-core not git if you're talking about lenny, btw. |
| 11:21.51 | cryptr | chicognu: as we said before also i think, there is a bit more then just doing "make" when you wanna compile new xorg drivers in lenny |
| 11:22.01 | cryptr | chicognu: i still suggest trying to upgrade to squeeze via apt-get |
| 11:22.07 | babilen | chicognu: It refers to the git version control system. Do "git clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/mesa/mesa" after you've installed git/git-core |
| 11:22.16 | chicognu | Reading state information... Done |
| 11:22.16 | chicognu | E: Couldn't find package git_4.9.4-1_all.deb |
| 11:22.26 | babilen | chicognu: But honestly: What are you trying to achieve? |
| 11:22.36 | djszapi | themill: http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/dpkg/commit/72c255d86d37a40d24d33ed784e8f3fbde377427 |
| 11:22.46 | cryptr | babilen: install latest xorg intel driver in lenny |
| 11:22.57 | nsadmin | you probably want git-core, but maybe you want to compile the latest git |
| 11:23.20 | cryptr | chicognu: i would change stable/lenny to testing/squeeze in apt/sources.list and dist-upgrade to squeeze |
| 11:23.21 | babilen | cryptr: Not in backports? Is it *really* necessary to install the development version? |
| 11:23.36 | babilen | ... or upgrade to Squeeze? |
| 11:24.03 | cryptr | babilen: could be in backports, I have not checked he has issues with latest i3 cpu and internal video |
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| 11:24.11 | nsadmin | babilen, he can't get intel driver to work... the one in lenny doesnt' support his newer hw |
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| 11:25.11 | chicognu | what are backports ? |
| 11:25.41 | cryptr | debian.org/backports ? |
| 11:25.50 | nsadmin | packages from newer debians compiled for older ones, so they (forexample) use the libs of the old debian |
| 11:26.04 | djszapi | post hook: The files are first written to disk and only then removed. It is better to |
| 11:26.07 | djszapi | avoid writing them to disk at all. |
| 11:26.12 | nsadmin | that's what's meant by backports here |
| 11:26.31 | stew | djszapi: then you have to alter the packages, by splitting the packages into separate doc packages |
| 11:26.37 | nsadmin | djszapi: if they're in the tarball, you may not have that choice |
| 11:26.42 | babilen | ,versions xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 11:26.45 | judd | Package xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- etch: 2:2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2; lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny8; squeeze: 2:2.12.0+shadow-2; sid: 2:2.13.0-2; experimental: 2:2.13.901-2 |
| 11:26.48 | chicognu | nsadmin, and how I configure apt-get to use backports ? |
| 11:27.03 | djszapi | nsadmin: with that patch I linked above you have .... |
| 11:27.10 | nsadmin | djszapi, unless you try to do as stew suggests |
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| 11:28.10 | babilen | chicognu: The package you need is not in backports and you would most certainly need a newer Xorg version as well. I would suggest to upgrade to Squeeze if that is an option. What kind of machine are we talking about here? (e.g. Laptop for personal use vs. mail server for large company) |
| 11:28.27 | nsadmin | hmm, or try to feed tar with extra args that exclude dirs... if you want to go down that road, that's fine... but I'll have to tell you that the road apples will not only cover the road entirely, the horses will be throwing them at you constantly |
| 11:28.30 | chicognu | laptop |
| 11:28.37 | nsadmin | don't say you weren't warned :) |
| 11:29.05 | chicognu | babilen, I download the 6 dvds from lenny, I really don`t want to download a new version :) |
| 11:29.29 | cryptr | chicognu: you can upgrade withouth actually downloading them by hand, just let apt-get upgrade you. |
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| 11:29.43 | cryptr | off for lunch. |
| 11:29.55 | chicognu | cryptr, we are talking about how many gb ? |
| 11:29.56 | babilen | chicognu: Well, that wasn't a very bright idea in the first place. But you can upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze by downloading *only* those packages you need/have installed already in a newer version. |
| 11:31.07 | nsadmin | chicognu, since you have copies of lenny on dvd, you can copy them to others who might want it (so the download of the images was not a waste) |
| 11:31.48 | babilen | chicognu: Keep in mind that Debian also provides "netinstall" installation images that contain everything you need to setup a (very) basic system. Everything else will be downloaded from the internet during the installation (or afterwards) |
| 11:31.57 | nsadmin | chicognu: it'll tell you the size of the download when you try to do it |
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| 11:33.05 | chicognu | nsadmin, I know debian don`t have a regular releases date, but in u experience, what did you think is the expiration date for lenny ? |
| 11:33.33 | nsadmin | oh, actually that's a good point... is squeeze presently able to be upgraded to? |
| 11:33.39 | babilen | chicognu: Soonish (i.e. 2-8 months) ... |
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| 11:34.06 | Silex | to cross-compile from debian to windows using mingw32... should I install mingw32 or gcc-mingw32? |
| 11:34.20 | paradigm | chicognu: Debian usually has a release every year and a half to two years, and the old stable is usually spported for about as long |
| 11:34.24 | djszapi | nsadmin: stew suggests ? |
| 11:34.33 | babilen | nsadmin: Well, I am running it at the moment and it works fine. I haven't upgraded Lenny to Squeeze recently though. |
| 11:34.35 | Silex | also is there anything to set beside --target=i386-mingw32 ? |
| 11:34.42 | nsadmin | oh what was he suggesting... |
| 11:34.49 | djszapi | nsadmin:: I am still not a packager, I do not decide what is inside the debian file. |
| 11:35.05 | djszapi | but I would like to decide (as a normal user) what I should install. |
| 11:35.07 | nsadmin | right but you do have the ability to communicate |
| 11:35.55 | nsadmin | btw stew was commenting on the possibility of altering the packages so they're split and this is something you could potentially do on a private mirror |
| 11:36.04 | babilen | chicognu: How old is your Lenny install and how much have you tinkered with it? |
| 11:36.18 | djszapi | nsadmin: it is an overhead to that patch I linked. |
| 11:36.30 | chicognu | babilen, 3 days long :( |
| 11:36.43 | nsadmin | super new |
| 11:36.46 | babilen | chicognu: An infant :) |
| 11:36.48 | chicognu | babilen, and I just install the recent kernel |
| 11:36.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | mgltools seems to sees a bug on my sqeeze in mgltools-pmv's "runPmv" - it seems to be this bug http://mgl.scripps.edu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=584 and indeed be caused by a problem with the ati drivers - should I still file against mgltools-dejavu for a workaround? |
| 11:37.01 | golfdrink | Hello im trying to install a dist on a mac G5, i have tryed the ubuntu powerpc but with not much luck.. can anyone help me ? |
| 11:37.08 | chicognu | recent stable* |
| 11:37.13 | f8l | chicognu: Read about jigdo. |
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| 11:37.30 | chicognu | f8l, that is other doubt I have |
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| 11:37.45 | dougmencken | golfdrink: try http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-testing-powerpc-netinst.iso |
| 11:37.46 | nsadmin | golfdrink: if you want to install debian, that's handled here; ubuntu is not |
| 11:37.53 | babilen | chicognu: Ok, you basically have two options: 1. Upgrade Lenny to Squeeze ("/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze") or 2. Download the Squeeze netinstall image and install Squeeze |
| 11:38.03 | chicognu | between releases many packages can be used with jigdo ? |
| 11:38.11 | nsadmin | golfdrink, just so you know right away... |
| 11:38.51 | dougmencken | golfdrink: also, here's #debianppc channel :) |
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| 11:39.15 | chicognu | babilen, there is two hides options in door 3 an 4, compiling the package, or back to ubuntu lts :D |
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| 11:39.42 | golfdrink | i know.. i was telling you what i have tryed.. just as the dpkg guidelines sayd |
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| 11:40.07 | f8l | chicognu: Quite... Around 70% I'd guess, but I think I can check it. Lenny to squeeze, right? |
| 11:40.18 | nsadmin | golfdrink, ok, so it's debian you want? |
| 11:40.21 | chicognu | f8l, yes |
| 11:40.34 | f8l | chicognu: It'll take a while. |
| 11:40.52 | chicognu | f8l, if it is too works, there is no need |
| 11:41.12 | chicognu | f8l, I just want to know a estimated number |
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| 11:41.28 | babilen | chicognu: I don't think that the new "xserver-xorg-video-intel" package is compatible with the Xorg version in Lenny. (You might need 1.7+) |
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| 11:42.40 | nsadmin | chicognu: but honestly, 3d is just one of many things that can be done... debian's basically working on your box; unfortunately 3d is not... what's your take on how important that is for you personally? |
| 11:42.42 | babilen | chicognu: If that is indeed possible, you can easily backport the xserver-xorg-video-intel package from squeeze or sid -- "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 11:42.45 | chicognu | I`m living a personal dilema right now |
| 11:43.09 | babilen | It is only 3D? *sigh* |
| 11:43.13 | nsadmin | which is solved by playing penguin race? :) |
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| 11:43.30 | nsadmin | just kidding |
| 11:43.42 | babilen | chicognu: Well, you know your options. I would suggest installing using the Squeeze netinstall images. But you might prefer something else. |
| 11:43.49 | chicognu | nsadmin, all psx games ... life without street fighter alpha 3 is like a life without woman to a regular guy |
| 11:43.52 | chicognu | :D |
| 11:43.57 | babilen | is out for a fag |
| 11:43.59 | golfdrink | nsadmin: i want a working dist for G5 and what ive read debian seems to be the one of the few acutally working dists... |
| 11:44.56 | nsadmin | chicognu: you -could- approach more women :) |
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| 11:45.25 | nsadmin | I mean, you're in -brasil-... dude that's so cool it's not funny |
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| 11:46.33 | nsadmin | if you approach about 3000 women in the next year, you'll probably forget what the words "street figher" mean :) |
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| 11:46.47 | JyZyXEL | can a udev exec rule be made for a USB hub? |
| 11:46.51 | chicognu | nsadmin, also linux |
| 11:46.55 | chicognu | lol |
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| 11:47.49 | stephan49 | is thre a way to mount a part of a ext3 filesystem case insentitive? like "/home/user/test/" is case insentitive and the rest not? |
| 11:48.22 | nsadmin | not that I know of |
| 11:48.23 | blast_hardcheese | oh wow. I just rebooted my machine; The clock was wrong on my BIOS, so it thought the disk had been mounted in the future; I hit Ctrl+C, it dropped me into the management shell... but continued to run the rc init scripts. I ended up in X, WHILE logged into the admin shell. I switched back to VT1, and while I was typing into the admin console, it gave me a login prompt |
| 11:48.51 | osfd | Hi there. Anyone using clementine music player ?? |
| 11:49.13 | nsadmin | knows this one! |
| 11:49.16 | nsadmin | you! |
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| 11:49.59 | nsadmin | blast_hardcheese: are you running ntpd |
| 11:50.00 | stephan49 | nsadmin: k, bad |
| 11:50.00 | nsadmin | ? |
| 11:50.11 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin: Yes |
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| 11:50.29 | stephan49 | that you cant mount a fs partly case insensitive |
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| 11:50.59 | nsadmin | and so it doesnt' adjust the clock until a not good time |
| 11:51.10 | chicognu | 3000 women in a year, are more or less 31 womans by weekend ... no way I can do that ... If I aproch only 10 womens by weekend, after some field experience for sure I will have at least 3 girls falling in love... But Iam a little bit like Rajesh Koothrappali |
| 11:51.26 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin: No, because the filesystem check is done before that |
| 11:51.31 | chicognu | replace by > per |
| 11:51.41 | blast_hardcheese | I forced ntpd to run, then rebooted; It checked the disk and now all is well |
| 11:52.17 | nsadmin | chicognu: you can become an approach monster... but it starts by commiting to 1 per some amount of time |
| 11:53.05 | nsadmin | remember that you deliver gifts by only approaching. |
| 11:53.38 | icebrain | stephan49: there is a ext3ci driver which you can use to mount a case insensitive fs |
| 11:53.49 | nsadmin | who is Rajesh Koothrappali? |
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| 11:54.03 | chicognu | nsadmin, OMFG, u don`t know ? |
| 11:54.08 | chicognu | nsadmin, where u live ? |
| 11:54.14 | nsadmin | calif |
| 11:54.15 | icebrain | stephan49: but you probably need to create a partition or similar to hold the mountpoint's contents |
| 11:54.33 | chicognu | nsadmin, u are not a citcom fan right ? |
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| 11:54.46 | chicognu | the guy from tbbt |
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| 11:54.48 | chicognu | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajesh_Koothrappali |
| 11:54.50 | nsadmin | citcom, dunno what that is |
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| 11:55.16 | xteejx | Hi all, I'm creating my first Debian package, and I think it's done, what do I need to do next? Can I get it reveiwed and checked or something? |
| 11:55.26 | chicognu | sitcom sorry |
| 11:57.24 | icebrain | stephan49: you can also use ciopfs (http://www.brain-dump.org/projects/ciopfs/) to mount an existing directory as case insensitive |
| 11:58.00 | nsadmin | got it |
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| 11:58.22 | gusnan | xteejx, Do you want it to get into Debian? in that case see http://mentors.debian.net |
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| 11:58.43 | xteejx | gusnan: I do, and I'll take a look, thank you :) |
| 11:58.50 | nsadmin | so the wikipedia refers to the selective thing as a recognized medical condition... |
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| 11:59.23 | nsadmin | xteejx run lintian on it |
| 11:59.49 | icebrain | xteejx: also, see #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
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| 12:08.04 | chicognu | ok, I will peform dist upgrade |
| 12:08.08 | chicognu | how |
| 12:08.16 | chicognu | but how ? |
| 12:08.46 | babilen | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 12:08.46 | dpkg | In /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines volatile, backports, then change lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,` && apt-get dist-upgrade". Make sure you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed prior to rebooting check: aptitude versions '~nlinux-image~i'. See also <testing> <testing security> <squeeze release notes>. |
| 12:08.50 | nsadmin | first aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 12:09.21 | nsadmin | oh 3 days old... so lenny is already up to date |
| 12:09.59 | chicognu | ok, I need to install the kernel ? |
| 12:09.59 | babilen | chicognu: You said that you are running a new kernel. Which version? (uname -r) |
| 12:10.02 | nsadmin | chicognu: just so you know I have approach anxiety so bad I hang in the corner |
| 12:10.10 | chicognu | babilen, 2.6.26 |
| 12:10.12 | chicognu | babilen, 2.6.36 |
| 12:10.38 | nsadmin | babilen: selfcompiled, not make-kpkg |
| 12:10.55 | babilen | chicognu: Ok, that is fine. You don't necessarily need to install a Squeeze kernel then (2.6.32) |
| 12:10.58 | nsadmin | what happens when you run the supplied kernel? |
| 12:11.12 | babilen | nsadmin: Which kernel are you referring to? |
| 12:11.15 | tolland | whats the fastest way to get 5TB from one box to another? |
| 12:11.29 | cryptr | move the drives? |
| 12:11.33 | chicognu | nsadmin, the jme drive is not installed (ethernet driver) |
| 12:11.36 | nsadmin | lenny kernel, 2.6.26-686 |
| 12:11.37 | babilen | tolland: Remove harddrive from one computer and put it in the other |
| 12:11.40 | tolland | (can't mount the physical disks its a hardware raid thingamajog) |
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| 12:12.01 | cryptr | tolland: ftp i guess would be fastest less overhead |
| 12:12.04 | robokop | tolland: dd + netcat |
| 12:12.21 | nsadmin | ok, so you could hold onto the existing kernel |
| 12:12.44 | nsadmin | but imo the first thing you want to do is upgrade dpkg, apt-get and aptitude |
| 12:12.46 | babilen | !tell nsadmin -about udev squeeze |
| 12:12.54 | abrotman | nsadmin: the bot already told him above ... |
| 12:14.03 | nsadmin | abrotman, there are a coupla special things going on |
| 12:14.09 | abrotman | not really |
| 12:14.24 | nsadmin | babilen: how will the udev and his current kernel fly? |
| 12:14.26 | chicognu | nsadmin, did you ready mystery method ? it is great book, with techniques of approch |
| 12:14.31 | abrotman | he has a newer kernel .. that's about it .. and as long as he's done his newer kernel correctly, it won't be an issue |
| 12:14.40 | babilen | nsadmin: ^^^ |
| 12:14.41 | nsadmin | yeah, I have a copy |
| 12:14.45 | f8l | chicognu: Well, I was wrong. These two differ in 95%, so there's almost no gain from using jigdo, unless you have debdelta. |
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| 12:15.05 | nsadmin | that's outer game tho... it looks like your sticking point might be more inner |
| 12:15.15 | chicognu | fbh, omg :S |
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| 12:16.02 | nsadmin | did you see the vh1 show with mystery? |
| 12:16.02 | chicognu | f8l, omg |
| 12:16.51 | f8l | chicognu: I've checked debian-squeeze-di-beta1-i386-DVD-1.jigdo against debian-506-i386-DVD-1.jigdo. |
| 12:16.52 | nsadmin | chicognu, outer game is a -lot- of work |
| 12:16.55 | chicognu | nsadmin, no, and i hope most girls here also don`t see ... otherwise the chicks will see if I`m following a manual |
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| 12:18.01 | nsadmin | it's not that outer is bad... it's more about what you're internally conveying |
| 12:18.08 | xenol | hello, i am trying to run ipset on debian server. However, i am getting ipset v2.3.3: Error from kernel: Protocol not available. i tried to google, but found nothing helpful. any ideas? |
| 12:18.22 | xenol | i cannot find the ip_set module via modprobe -l ... |
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| 12:18.48 | nsadmin | uname -r |
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| 12:19.05 | xenol | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 12:19.18 | nsadmin | ok, so you're running lenny? |
| 12:19.23 | xenol | yes. |
| 12:19.28 | chicognu | nsadmin, to begin it is hard to me even find a wingmen |
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| 12:20.01 | chicognu | nsadmin, I read a portugueses version of the book, I don`t know if the technical terms are the same |
| 12:20.17 | abrotman | chicognu: try #debian-offtopic, thank you |
| 12:20.39 | chicognu | abrotman, sorry |
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| 12:24.16 | xenol | nsadmin: any ideas? |
| 12:24.37 | nsadmin | what package is it in? |
| 12:24.44 | xenol | ipset |
| 12:24.51 | nsadmin | , versions ipset |
| 12:24.53 | judd | Package ipset on i386 -- etch: 2.2.9a-1; lenny: 2.3.3-1; sid: 2.5.0-1; squeeze: 2.5.0-1 |
| 12:24.56 | xenol | 2.3.3 |
| 12:25.05 | xenol | ou, bot :> |
| 12:25.06 | rozie | xenol: have you patched kernel? |
| 12:25.11 | nsadmin | so 2.3.3-1 |
| 12:25.13 | xenol | nope |
| 12:25.19 | rozie | can't work, then |
| 12:25.30 | nsadmin | he has to rebuild? |
| 12:25.44 | xenol | rozie: i thought so. is there any easy way? ( i can compile from vanilla, but i guess that's not the best idea =)) |
| 12:25.48 | abrotman | he might want to install the ipset package and look at /usr/share/doc/ipset/ ? |
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| 12:26.38 | rozie | xenol: http://ipset.netfilter.org/install.html |
| 12:26.41 | rozie | it's easy |
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| 12:27.20 | MikeH | Hi guys, is it possible to establish when a user was created? |
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| 12:28.03 | xenol | rozie: i know, though i would like to stick to things in repo :> |
| 12:28.18 | abrotman | xenol: have you installed the ipset package and looked in the doc directory? |
| 12:28.27 | xenol | yes, right now =) |
| 12:28.57 | rozie | xenol: http://apt-search.pl/ and try to look for ipset |
| 12:29.01 | abrotman | xenol: or `aptitude show ipset` tells you about patch-o-matic |
| 12:29.03 | rozie | there are some repos |
| 12:29.28 | rozie | (unofficial, no guarantee, can kill your dog and burn your house) |
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| 12:30.14 | xenol | abrotman: netfilter-something-source |
| 12:30.31 | abrotman | xenol: or `aptitude show ipset` tells you about patch-o-matic-ng .. it tells you at the bottom of the description |
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| 12:33.21 | omid8bimo | test |
| 12:33.28 | nsadmin | !test |
| 12:33.28 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 12:33.37 | omid8bimo | :D |
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| 12:33.51 | nsadmin | no one here but us chickens... |
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| 12:37.55 | nsadmin | MikeH, if you put the date somewhere, like insert it into postgres, or put it in the full name field of the passwd file |
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| 12:38.29 | nsadmin | if not, it's not going to be easy or maybe even possible |
| 12:38.41 | MikeH | nsadmin, I'm guessing last modified date of /etc/passwd is a pretty good guess |
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| 12:38.45 | MikeH | as its the last user added |
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| 12:39.21 | nsadmin | could be |
| 12:39.26 | abrotman | MikeH: ls -al $HOME .. look at the timestamps on some of the files? |
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| 12:39.32 | nsadmin | or last user modified, or deleted |
| 12:39.53 | MikeH | good plan |
| 12:39.57 | nsadmin | last time the primary group was changed |
| 12:39.58 | MikeH | matches /etc/passwrd last modified |
| 12:39.59 | MikeH | thanks |
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| 12:40.06 | hamid_rostami | Hi all, I can't connect to backports.debian.org via Direct connection to internet, How can I set a http_proxy for apt-get ? |
| 12:40.29 | abrotman | hamid_rostami: man apt.conf |
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| 12:41.27 | hamid_rostami | abrotman: ty, goin to RTFM |
| 12:41.31 | sander^work | What is the best way of monitoring stuff in a cloud based enviroment with many machines? |
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| 12:41.36 | JyZyXEL | why doesn't this rule run the command when device is removed: ACTION=="*", SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="05e3", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0608", RUN="/usr/share/foo/bar" |
| 12:41.44 | sander^work | with reports, and alerts. |
| 12:41.49 | JyZyXEL | it only runs the command when device is added |
| 12:41.50 | abrotman | sander^work: you might get a better answer if you define "stuff" |
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| 12:42.10 | ash | is there anyway to update samba to 3.4+ on lenny server using apt-get or aptitude? |
| 12:42.20 | abrotman | judd: versions samba |
| 12:42.22 | judd | Package samba on i386 -- etch: 3.0.24-6etch10; etch-security: 3.0.24-6etch10; etch-backports: 2:3.2.5-4~bpo41+1; lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny11; lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny13; sid: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-1; squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-1; lenny-backports: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-1+bpo50+2 |
| 12:42.23 | Rienzilla | sander^work: I like munin for most of that stuff (i.e. trend analysis) |
| 12:42.24 | sander^work | abrotman, if an haddrive fails, disk goes full, too much cpu usage, out of memory.. |
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| 12:42.28 | abrotman | !tell ash about bpo |
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| 12:43.16 | ash | ok.. so i add backports to my sources list? |
| 12:43.18 | sander^work | Rienzilla, abrotman: whould like a doc with the advantages of using the diffrent tools. |
| 12:43.24 | Rienzilla | then google it |
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| 12:43.40 | Rienzilla | there's several on the market, each with it pro's and con's |
| 12:43.48 | abrotman | ash: the website has instructions |
| 12:43.51 | nsadmin | chicognu so you can put a -d like this aptitude -d safe-upgrade to only download the package files without installing them until you get back to your computer |
| 12:44.00 | Rienzilla | nagios is larger, but more of a pain in the ass to set up imo |
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| 12:44.06 | Rienzilla | there's cacti, no experience with it |
| 12:44.10 | babilen | sander^work: ganglia, munin, nagios, cacti … |
| 12:44.23 | abrotman | cacti does some stuff, probably not as much info as nagios, but simpler to setup IIRC |
| 12:44.36 | abrotman | or just set them all up and use them all! :) |
| 12:44.40 | babilen | sander^work: I like nagios FWIW |
| 12:44.52 | ash | cheers! |
| 12:45.10 | babilen | sander^work: A lot of those tools provide a sandbox environment for you to play around with the tools. |
| 12:45.14 | chicognu | nsadmin, I think now if I install a newer version i will download again the dvds |
| 12:45.24 | Rienzilla | sander^work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_network_monitoring_systems |
| 12:45.37 | babilen | sander^work: we've used ganglia on one of our clusters @uni ... |
| 12:45.59 | chicognu | nsadmin, but it is more like, if I fail to install the new driver I back to ubuntu LTS |
| 12:46.16 | babilen | chicognu: Please don't download the DVDs |
| 12:46.22 | babilen | !tell chicognu about netinstall |
| 12:46.23 | sander^work | Does all of them use snmp? |
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| 12:46.41 | Rienzilla | most can |
| 12:46.48 | nsadmin | chicognu: that's up to you but you don't have to at all, you can just upgrade in place, and only the packages you request and those depended on will ever be transferred |
| 12:46.56 | chicognu | babilen, if i do so, I will download trough the torrent |
| 12:46.58 | babilen | chicognu: That assumes that you have a working (wired) internet connection during the installation though. (Or *not* WPA) |
| 12:47.24 | nsadmin | you don't even need to reinstall |
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| 12:48.09 | babilen | chicognu: Why? You can download the netinstall and just those packages you actually need. If you want to download CDs/DVDs you might opt for DVD1 or one of the CD1 flavours (Gnome, KDE, XFCE, ...) which contain almost everything you need. |
| 12:48.10 | chicognu | I know, but like to have a set of cds / dvds, just in case to I go offline |
| 12:48.11 | Andy1978 | Hi at all. Is there a special "debain live" cahnnel? |
| 12:48.20 | abrotman | Andy1978: #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
| 12:48.35 | Andy1978 | abrotman: okay, I'll have a look |
| 12:48.43 | nsadmin | babilen: and he's got debian installed now... he can also upgrade |
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| 12:49.31 | babilen | chicognu: OK, I can understand that. Just wanted to point out that downloading a full set is typically not necessary. Note that packages are placed on CDs/DVDs in decreasing order of popularity (i.e. most popular packages on CD1, ...) |
| 12:49.37 | JyZyXEL | why does the USB device number increment every time i replug my USB hub? |
| 12:49.39 | babilen | nsadmin: Yes, absolutely |
| 12:49.56 | babilen | nsadmin: But we've pointed that out an hour ago :) |
| 12:50.11 | nsadmin | true enough |
| 12:51.41 | JyZyXEL | udev doesn't seem to get a remove action when you can a USB cord out |
| 12:51.46 | JyZyXEL | the device remains somewhere |
| 12:52.03 | nsadmin | so that would be why :) |
| 12:52.46 | nsadmin | what do you really want to know? |
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| 12:53.03 | JyZyXEL | how to detect the removal of a USB device |
| 12:53.08 | JyZyXEL | with udev |
| 12:53.10 | chicognu | nsadmin, it is weird enough to make some one curious about |
| 12:53.12 | chicognu | :D |
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| 12:54.09 | epsilon | JyZyXEL: syslog? |
| 12:54.10 | nsadmin | it's different to not have cds of all the software you could want... it's weird... but then you realize everything's free |
| 12:54.33 | JyZyXEL | epsilon: you can read syslog with udev? |
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| 12:54.49 | nsadmin | here's the problem, here's why people are saying "please don't download all the dvds" |
| 12:55.20 | nsadmin | so debian is free... you can get it, download it, install it, all free |
| 12:55.29 | abrotman | that's not why |
| 12:55.36 | nsadmin | but the bandwidth is anything but free |
| 12:55.40 | abrotman | it's a HUGE waste of bandwidth and donated money/resources |
| 12:55.40 | nsadmin | it's donated |
| 12:55.57 | chicognu | nsadmin, even the .torrent ? |
| 12:56.15 | abrotman | chicognu: yes, then you're wasting your bandwidth and joe-blow, instead of the debian.org infrastructure |
| 12:56.16 | nsadmin | well yes. each connection, costs |
| 12:56.30 | Andy1978 | abrotman: hm, is it possible to ast here if I don't get an answer in #debian-live? Perhaps there is a really simple answer |
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| 12:56.40 | abrotman | you can try |
| 12:56.53 | chicognu | abrotman, since I share what i get it is pretty much fair |
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| 12:57.33 | nsadmin | your cost to the internet is one thing but there are also mirrors, and each one has available bandwidth donated, and that costs serious money |
| 12:57.33 | abrotman | chicognu: not really .. you might not share the same amount, etc .. it's really far better to use the netinst for a single machine and an apt proxy if you're doing a network full of machines |
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| 12:58.00 | Andy1978 | I tried to set up a debian-live on a USB-Stick with persistent /. The debian-live manual lacks description of the persistent feature. What I did: http://pastebin.com/PBrqQQVV |
| 12:58.11 | abrotman | chicognu: you're highly unlikely to use all of the packages on the DVD |
| 12:58.22 | nsadmin | even most of them |
| 12:58.45 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if its an actual bug |
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| 12:59.04 | chicognu | ok, know I`am angry ... I will mont all my dvds and run apt-get intall * |
| 12:59.15 | chicognu | :D |
| 12:59.20 | JyZyXEL | seems to me that the act of removing USB cord would be enough to spawn a udev remove event |
| 12:59.29 | nsadmin | imagine yourself sending one email... now imagine a very busy mail hub that handles half of brasil |
| 12:59.56 | abrotman | chicognu: that will fail |
| 12:59.59 | nsadmin | perhaps your email goes thru that, very small part of the total of what it does |
| 13:00.05 | babilen | chicognu: *phew* -- that will just result in a syntax error. |
| 13:00.35 | JyZyXEL | This bug makes an application that reports on USB status to fail and causes HAL to endlessly increment the identifier for the same physical device. |
| 13:00.41 | nsadmin | chicognu, you'll probably need a tb or two to install everything |
| 13:00.42 | JyZyXEL | that is what totally happens on lenny |
| 13:00.55 | JyZyXEL | the device identifier is incremented forever |
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| 13:01.29 | chicognu | since I WILL share what I GET I don`t see a problem with that, None did told anything about that argument |
| 13:01.36 | potty | Adriaan, hola compañero |
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| 13:02.00 | abrotman | babilen: aptitude install '!~i' ? |
| 13:02.16 | chicognu | JyZyXEL, even after a reboot ? |
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| 13:02.29 | JyZyXEL | probably not after that |
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| 13:02.57 | babilen | abrotman: hehe :-D |
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| 13:07.55 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if there are any workaround other than installing squeeze |
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| 13:12.05 | JyZyXEL | oh apparently the reasoning is that when udev gets the remove event the device directory is already gone and sysfs values aren't readable anymore |
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| 13:19.09 | nsadmin | silverballz I'll suggest you take one thing at a time, and get into it specifically |
| 13:19.55 | nsadmin | if you explore one of them and it turns out to contribute to the solution of all the others, so much the better |
| 13:20.58 | nsadmin | oh, and you should try dmesg | tail |
| 13:21.05 | silverballz | indeed, thank you nsadmin for the encouragement and advice. |
| 13:21.13 | nsadmin | the "or so" is like "approximately" |
| 13:23.17 | nsadmin | feel free to ask about those things here; if you're going to do that, pick one problem, and tell the specifics |
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| 13:26.00 | silverballz | well like you said 'i'm searching for the root of the problem'. Sometimes is good for me to have a visual of what i'm thinking & oh and others input as well ;) |
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| 13:27.26 | chicognu | locate search in all mounted partitions ? |
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| 13:34.23 | ruben | Hello |
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| 13:35.02 | Guest65652 | I have two version of gcc, 4.1 and 4.2, but by default uses 4.1, how can I chante that only for a compilation? I want to use 4.2 in that case |
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| 13:35.28 | stew | ruben_g: "CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.2 make" |
| 13:35.45 | stew | ruben_g: (assuming the makefile is sane. if it isn't it should be fixed so this works) |
| 13:35.59 | ruben_g | thanks |
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| 13:38.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | I have APT::Install-Recommends "no"; in apt.conf - overriding this from the commandline doesn't seem to work, neither apt-get install --install-recommends debichem-visualisation, nor aptitude -r install debichem-visualisation install the recommended packages |
| 13:38.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | is this a bug or am I just overseeing something? |
| 13:40.15 | abrotman | can you use -o to override the conf fie? |
| 13:40.18 | abrotman | file |
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| 13:42.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just commented the line in the configuration file with the same result... aptitude why v-sim prints i debichem-visualisation Recommends v-sim, but dpkg -l whos "un v-sim..." |
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| 13:43.16 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: is v-sim installable at all? |
| 13:44.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't see why not... I can do apt-get install vsim and it says it'll install it |
| 13:44.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think I'm just not seeing something obvious |
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| 13:45.15 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: aptitude whynot ? |
| 13:45.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | no reason to remove |
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| 13:47.35 | djszapi | Do I need to subscribe for debian-dpkg@lists.debian.org to be able to send a mail ? Because I can read this at the top of the page: This list is not moderated; posting is allowed by anyone. |
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| 13:49.40 | Zenox | How can I install a slightly older kernel (linux-image) when using Debian Squeeze? |
| 13:50.05 | babilen | djszapi: AFAIK you don't need to be subscribed. It makes sense to ask to be CCed in that case. |
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| 13:50.55 | abrotman | Zenox: why would you want to? and which one? |
| 13:51.29 | fishcooker | how to config the keyboard stuff? |
| 13:53.19 | Zenox | abrotman: I have this one right now (on hold) = linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64, but it has problems with specific usb-serial devices (from version -25 and up) |
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| 13:54.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's also disturbing is, that apt-get -f install finds not problems, while aptitude -f install wants to do all kinds of things |
| 13:54.20 | abrotman | Zenox: you should probably work with the kernel team to resolve those issues, putting your kernel on hold leaves you at risk for security issues fixed in later kernels |
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| 13:57.18 | Zenox | abrotman: Yes, but it's pretty recent (version 25, and now 27 is released). My device isn't working and I rely on it. The kernel team is aware of the situation, but it takes time to investigate how to fix it as well |
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| 13:57.33 | abrotman | !tell Zenox about hold |
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| 13:58.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually aptitude why v-sim says it has to be installed because of the dependency, but that's of course not useful if that doesn't happen... it also says so when I have recommends switched off... |
| 13:58.39 | vtts | Zenox, have you tried something like: aptitude install <linux-image-new>_ <linux-image-older> |
| 13:58.56 | Zenox | abrotman: Yes I know about hold. I know about bad responses from usb-serial devices too. I want to use an slightly older kernel until the kernel team has fixed the current bug |
| 13:58.59 | vtts | this would purge current(new) image and install older version |
| 13:59.19 | vtts | but check if it is available in deb repository |
| 13:59.29 | vtts | i.e. if older one is available |
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| 14:00.05 | abrotman | Zenox: so get it from snapshot.debian.org .. force the install/downgrade, then place it on hold |
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| 14:00.21 | mtnman | hello |
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| 14:00.54 | Zenox | vtts: Hmm, haven't tried that. Will check if I find one. |
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| 14:01.58 | themill | djszapi: btw, it would pay to look at the thing that dpkg already supports before starting on your quest. The patch you posted earlier was a poor hack and there is already something that is much better than that in dpkg. See the --patch-exclude option in man dpkg on squeeze. |
| 14:02.26 | themill | djszapi: so yes, there is something wrong with that patch you posted earlier -- there's something better there already. |
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| 14:02.36 | Zenox | abrotman: Ah okay, will browse that site. Hopefully I'll se that 24 version. Just download the deb file and execute "dpkg -i"? |
| 14:02.46 | abrotman | and force the install/downgrade |
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| 14:04.08 | Zenox | abrotman: Or. The site has info on how it's done (add correct date to sources.list etc). Thanks for all your help :) |
| 14:04.23 | abrotman | that's another option, yes |
| 14:04.24 | eshat | what was the package name, that helped recompiling a newer upstream version ? |
| 14:04.45 | stew | eshat: uupdate? (which is in the devscripts package) |
| 14:04.58 | eshat | stew: exactly, thank you |
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| 14:05.33 | djszapi | themill: thank you for your feedback |
| 14:05.48 | lng | hi! remind me please what does D mean in ps output? |
| 14:06.03 | lng | col #8 |
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| 14:07.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | how very strange, now it works, after I brought gcc-4.4-base to the latest version in squeeze... I think aptitude should at least have printed some error instead of just not doing the recommends |
| 14:08.04 | vtts | lng, D Uninterruptible sleep (usually IO) |
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| 14:08.43 | vtts | lng, you can check "man ps" for more |
| 14:08.47 | lng | I did |
| 14:09.19 | lng | found it now |
| 14:09.21 | lng | thanks! |
| 14:09.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, is that something I should write a bug-report about? I fear will be difficult to reproduce... and I haven't really worked out what caused this |
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| 14:10.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | right now looks as if aptitude saw a problem with the recommends and so just silently dropped them |
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| 14:15.22 | HackeMate | hello, I want keep my logs for 6 months and split them per day or if not possible, per size |
| 14:15.30 | HackeMate | is it possible? |
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| 14:15.43 | HackeMate | at the moment is keeping for 6 months but I get a huge log file |
| 14:15.53 | gnublin | what log ? |
| 14:16.04 | HackeMate | the dhcpd log from dhcp3-server |
| 14:16.16 | HackeMate | I already save it in /var/log/dhcpd/dhcpd.log |
| 14:16.18 | stew | HackeMate: man logrotate, you'd want something like 'rotate 183' and daily |
| 14:16.40 | HackeMate | ok, there I go to see |
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| 14:21.00 | HackeMate | restarting the logrotate service: sudo service syslog restart? |
| 14:21.16 | stew | HackeMate: its not a service, it is run by cron |
| 14:21.29 | HackeMate | aah, better even |
| 14:21.59 | wolfric_ | i've just installed debian 5.3 from cd. i don't have the cd any more so i've commented out the cdrom in sources list... what other sources should i have or is there a page to compare against? I've tried apt-get update. |
| 14:22.13 | stew | wolfric_: /msg dpkg lenny sources.list |
| 14:22.21 | HackeMate | thanks, I added size 4096, i hope it works now, surely it will |
| 14:22.24 | stew | wolfric_: assuming you mean 5.0.3 or something, as 5.3 doesn't exist |
| 14:22.26 | unomi | Hi, I am trying to get started with kvm on lenny, using virt-manager I get: Cannot determine QEMU argv syntax /usr/bin/kvm |
| 14:22.38 | wolfric_ | sorry 5.6 |
| 14:22.44 | unomi | this seems to have been a 'done' bug |
| 14:22.45 | stew | wolfric_: doesn't exist |
| 14:22.55 | wolfric_ | lol |
| 14:23.03 | ttiicc | I installed debian as a desktop so I got the whole X with it. I have configured the system as I want and would like it to start without X. I was thinking just changing the S30gdm to K30gdm. Is this the right thing to do? Any thing else which should be done? |
| 14:23.07 | wolfric_ | someone named the disk wrong... |
| 14:23.29 | stew | wolfric_: probably 5.0.6 which is the current release |
| 14:23.40 | stew | ttiicc: which directory are you doing the renaming in? |
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| 14:23.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell ttiicc -about nox |
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| 14:24.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | ttiicc, yes, or uninstall gdm if you don't want to use it anyway... |
| 14:24.41 | stew | I love how that factoid tells you to do the thing that update-rc.d tells you is a mistake, and acknowleges why |
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| 14:24.51 | wolfric_ | stew: ok it's 5.0.6 |
| 14:24.57 | stew | instead he is doing the thing that update-rc.d recommendss (although without update-rc.d) |
| 14:25.05 | wolfric_ | stew: is that still lenny? |
| 14:25.08 | stew | wolfric_: yes |
| 14:25.14 | ttiicc | I would like to have gdm, just not starting with it |
| 14:25.26 | sander^work | What should I do when creating a .deb package.. then the installation writes to a file owned by another package?.. |
| 14:25.33 | sander^work | when* |
| 14:25.36 | stew | ttiicc: which directory were you renaming S30gdm to K30gdm? |
| 14:25.48 | stew | sander^work: file a bug |
| 14:25.59 | stew | sander^work: assuming both packages are from the same release |
| 14:26.01 | ttiicc | rc2.d I haven't done it yet |
| 14:26.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | haven't seen that factoid in a while - doesn't look like I remember it |
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| 14:26.13 | stew | ttiicc: that would work (for runlevel 2, which is the default) |
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| 14:26.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | this "NEWSFLASH" thing is also weird |
| 14:27.04 | sander^work | stew, Well.. I'm trying to create a .deb package for libapache2-mod-fcgid from svn |
| 14:27.22 | ttiicc | yes I rename it to K30gdm in rc2.d and that's about all I need to do? |
| 14:27.36 | sander^work | stew, apt-get install subversion; svn checkout http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/mod_fcgid/trunk mod_fcgid; cd mod_fcgid/; APXS=/usr/bin/apxs2 ./configure.apxs; make; checkinstall |
| 14:27.45 | ttiicc | and If I would like to get X I just rename it back and reboot my system? |
| 14:27.54 | stew | sander^work: if your package is going to provide a file also provided by another package, you should conflict with it, and perhaps declare that yours Replaces: the other |
| 14:28.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | why does update-rc.d tell you this is a mistake? |
| 14:28.20 | stew | ttiicc: yes. and no need to reboot just /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 14:28.29 | ttiicc | !update-rc.d |
| 14:28.29 | dpkg | [update-rc.d] used to manipulate System V style init script links, which are used to stop/start system services. Read the update-rc.d man page for a good introduction to Debian's boot process. For front-ends, ask me about <rcconf>, <sysv-rc-conf>, <bum>. |
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| 14:28.54 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: the update-rc.d manpage calls this a "common administrative error" or some such. for the reason listed in the factoid you gave |
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| 14:29.27 | wolfric___ | stew: Does this look ok? http://pastebin.com/sHCDBeNB |
| 14:29.32 | sander^work | stew, Well.. I think it just adds a line to /etc/apache2/apache2.conf but in reality.. it should be added to /etc/apache2/modules-avaible/mod_fcgid.load or something. |
| 14:30.00 | stew | wolfric___: what you have is ok, but you also need a main mirror (the two you have listed so far are just updates, not a full distribution) |
| 14:30.15 | noir_lord | I installed Stable (ubuntu refugee it blew up one time too many) but needed a newer release of Gimp, modified sources.list to point to testing set default release to avoid accidental conflicts then using apt-get -t to attempt to install gimp, it says it can't resolve package dependencies |
| 14:30.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, right, seeing that... the factoid also tells you it'll break instead of giving you a solution that won't :) ... so fairysnuff |
| 14:30.28 | stew | wolfric___: what country are you in? |
| 14:30.36 | noir_lord | is it a good idea to use Testing as a general use desktop, I'm a developer (application and web) |
| 14:30.37 | wolfric___ | ireland |
| 14:31.07 | stew | sander^work: debian policy forbids you from altering the conffile of another package, yes, adding a file to modules-available is the better solution |
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| 14:31.29 | wolfric___ | stew: not a bit strange it didn't add one in automatically on install? |
| 14:31.39 | stew | wolfric___: "deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian lenny main" |
| 14:31.57 | sander^work | stew, someone else did this in the current mod_fcgid package.. |
| 14:32.30 | wolfric___ | stew: cheers |
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| 14:33.36 | sander^work | stew, I whould like the current mod_fcgid package to be updated, because of a bug (fixed in latest svn): https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=48981 |
| 14:33.54 | sander^work | makes the package unusable performance wise. |
| 14:34.18 | stew | sander^work: someone did which? modified apache2.conf? |
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| 14:34.45 | sander^work | stew, made the mod_fcgid package compatible with debian. |
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| 14:35.18 | stew | ahh |
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| 14:35.39 | stew | iirc this was a package we had a long time ago and it was removed/ |
| 14:35.43 | stew | is this the non-free one? |
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| 14:36.55 | stew | oh, no we still have this one, so yeah, i'd assume its not making huge mistakes like modifying apache.conf |
| 14:36.56 | sander^work | stew, Oh sorry.. I retrived it at first from ubuntu.. |
| 14:37.08 | djura-san | o/ |
| 14:37.29 | sander^work | Okay.. |
| 14:37.52 | sander^work | Its a really useless package with this bug. |
| 14:38.16 | stew | sander^work: is this bug reported to the debian bts? |
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| 14:38.28 | sander^work | pitty mod_fcgid isn't even relased as stable without this bug. |
| 14:38.33 | sander^work | stew, I have no clue. |
| 14:38.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, check if you still see problems with the nodm factoid? |
| 14:38.46 | stew | sander^work: can you please check? |
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| 14:39.39 | stew | sander^work: if the package we are about to release in squeeze is not useful, the RMs should know about it |
| 14:39.44 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks! |
| 14:39.54 | sander^work | stew, where do I search?.. Im not that familar with where. |
| 14:40.11 | stew | sander^work: bugs.debian.org/packagename |
| 14:40.49 | sander^work | stew, I have only tested it with ubuntu 10.04.. I suspect they took the package from debian. |
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| 14:41.08 | stew | sander^work: oh, you aren't a debian user at all? |
| 14:41.15 | sander^work | stew, I am. |
| 14:41.24 | sander^work | stew, but not for this server. |
| 14:41.49 | ttiicc | I have installed debian stable + myswl server and Im now running the system without X, could it be true that my system is running on only 119MB RAM? |
| 14:41.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, still don't like that "and friends" expression, but the shortest do disable all I can think of is a for-loop and that might be too long... |
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| 14:42.44 | stew | ttiicc: sure, if you've not yet gotten around to tuning mysql |
| 14:43.10 | sander^work | stew, I think its better to go to the source of the problem.. instead of reporting it to ubuntu. :-) |
| 14:43.18 | ttiicc | stew: hehehehe |
| 14:43.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | mh, and I see something else that's wrong, it's not "gdm" anymore in squeeze, but gdm3 |
| 14:43.53 | stew | sander^work: yeah, that's why we'd be pointing you to #ubuntu |
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| 14:45.23 | sander^work | stew, |
| 14:45.23 | sander^work | Outstanding bugs -- Grave functionality bugs; Patch Available (1 bug) |
| 14:45.41 | sander^work | libapache2-mod-fcgid: Spawns a new PHP interpreter for each request |
| 14:45.56 | sander^work | Its reported.. But after what I see.. not fixed. |
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| 14:47.20 | sander^work | What does "Grave functionality bugs" mean? |
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| 14:47.51 | stew | sander^work: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities |
| 14:47.52 | sander^work | stew, isn't ubuntu taking packages from debian?.. if its fixed in debian, then it will sooner fixed in ubuntu also?. |
| 14:47.59 | stew | sander^work: ask #ubuntu |
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| 14:48.28 | golfdrink | dougmencken: did you get my last message.. had to reboot |
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| 14:49.25 | sander^work | stew, Okay.. but why isn't the bug fixed in debian yet.. its been several months. |
| 14:49.35 | dwahlstrom | are there any tools (i assume similar to lspci) that will tell me the make/model of my dvd drive? |
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| 14:51.13 | sander^work | dwahlstrom, cdrado -scanbus or something (after what I remember).. But it only lists the dvd drive. |
| 14:51.32 | sander^work | dwahlstrom, the name is wrong I guess. |
| 14:52.09 | dwahlstrom | sander^work: i got it to work. thanks! |
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| 14:52.12 | eshat | how can I install package dependecies, that should be read from debian/control ? |
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| 14:52.47 | stew | sander^work: i don't know. feel free to ping the bug asking |
| 14:53.10 | stew | eshat: Depends: or Build-Depends:? |
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| 14:53.37 | eshat | stew: buidl-depends ;) |
| 14:53.42 | eshat | build* |
| 14:54.11 | eshat | the thing is, I patched a debian/control file and want to intall the build dependecies according to this file |
| 14:54.12 | stew | eshat: although it won't actually be reading debian/control, but the cached version from apt, "apt-get build-dep packagename" should work |
| 14:54.27 | eshat | stew: see my previous post |
| 14:54.31 | stew | eshat: afaik you'd have to do it by hand unless you were using something like pbuilder/cowbuilder |
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| 14:55.01 | eshat | stew: hmm, ok it isn't to much work, but I though there is an automated way |
| 14:55.38 | sander^work | stew, how do I do that? |
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| 14:56.07 | stew | sander^work: by emailing bugnumber@bugs.debian.org |
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| 14:57.45 | ScottO_ | any idea why my cd tray keep ejecting? |
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| 14:57.57 | ScottO_ | lol |
| 14:58.09 | ScottO_ | one of my servers has the cd tray open every day i come in |
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| 14:58.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | the cleaning lady presses the eject button? |
| 14:58.32 | ScottO_ | maybe its a coworkeer trying to make me go nuts |
| 14:58.41 | ScottO_ | cleaning people have no access to the server room |
| 14:58.47 | chicognu | lol |
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| 14:58.58 | chicognu | a compromised server, maby ? |
| 14:59.00 | ScottO_ | i checked the logs even |
| 14:59.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | must be extremely dirty in there, then |
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| 14:59.10 | Janni | Hello. |
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| 14:59.12 | ScottO_ | chicognu: possible, but no access from outside |
| 14:59.19 | ScottO_ | the firewall does not permit it |
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| 14:59.36 | ScottO_ | plus wouldnt i see anything in the logs? |
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| 15:00.04 | chicognu | ScottO_, it is a old hardware ? |
| 15:00.06 | mtnman | ScottO_ i recommend a hidden camera |
| 15:00.08 | ScottO_ | kinda |
| 15:00.33 | chicognu | I recommend format :D |
| 15:00.37 | ScottO_ | mtnman: i do have a zoneminder box next to it, so i could hook up a webcam and do some motion detection |
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| 15:00.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | ScottO_, mount a cdrom :) |
| 15:00.54 | ScottO_ | ? |
| 15:00.59 | ScottO_ | ah to prevent the eject? |
| 15:01.03 | chicognu | yes |
| 15:01.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | pressing the button won't open then at least |
| 15:01.10 | ScottO_ | good one |
| 15:01.12 | mtnman | ScottO_ seems ideal |
| 15:01.13 | ScottO_ | yeah |
| 15:01.20 | ScottO_ | CutMeOwnThroat: perfect way to test this out |
| 15:01.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you might get messages |
| 15:01.22 | ScottO_ | thanks |
| 15:01.22 | redguy | does anyone have an idea why apt does not want to download source the ourdelta source of mysql? Relevant info: http://pastebin.com/vVYBF1VS |
| 15:01.25 | eshat | stew: Oh I just found dpkg-checkbuilddeps which seems to be the solution |
| 15:01.45 | redguy | s/ourdelta source/ourdelta build/ |
| 15:01.48 | stew | eshat: that won't install anything though. just check |
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| 15:01.58 | chicognu | ScottO_, it can be only a hardware defect, I never see that specific defect but happens |
| 15:02.10 | Janni | I've got a system here running on a live CD. What I'm doing is something quick and dirty so I'd appreciate a quick & dirty solution to this problem: After upgrading the system (which is running on a RAMdisk, hence I can't reboot with a newer kernel version) I wanted to mount a usb memory stick. However despite udev being installed and running no device like hdb or sda shows up in /dev. MAKEDEV all has no effect. Can anybody tell me how I can get the device file |
| 15:02.29 | eshat | stew: yes but it also gives a list of missing deps, which makes it easy to intall by a one-liner |
| 15:02.58 | eshat | stew: and it also ignores deps which are not for my architecture |
| 15:03.03 | themill | eshat: mk-builddeps from equivs might be what you're looking for |
| 15:03.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Janni, watch dmesg |
| 15:03.38 | chicognu | I in the ubuntu-offtopic said `god forgive me but is a pain help ubuntu users` but I think i was on debian-offtopic :( |
| 15:03.48 | eshat | themill: great thanks |
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| 15:03.53 | ScottO_ | chicognu: didnt start heppening till i upgradeda few drives to higher capactiy |
| 15:04.03 | ScottO_ | maybe i loosened something |
| 15:04.06 | Janni | CutMeOwnThroat: It tells me that a new USB device has been connected (also which one). But how does that give me a device file in /dev? |
| 15:04.23 | ScottO_ | Janni: Udev! |
| 15:04.46 | Janni | As I described above, udev does not seem to do anything... |
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| 15:05.10 | ScottO_ | what device is it again? |
| 15:05.22 | Janni | usb 1-3 |
| 15:05.29 | ScottO_ | no i mean what is it |
| 15:05.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, as this isn't debian, but debian-live, you might want #debian-live at irc.oftc.net |
| 15:05.37 | Janni | A USB memory "stick". |
| 15:05.53 | redguy | Janni: paste the relevant dmesg messages to pastebin |
| 15:05.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you might pastebin the relevant lines from demesg |
| 15:06.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha! |
| 15:06.09 | Janni | OK, just a moment. |
| 15:06.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | you were only faster because I made a typo |
| 15:06.16 | stew | Janni: is usb-storage loaded? |
| 15:06.24 | ScottO_ | CutMeOwnThroat: no i think you were only slower because of the typo |
| 15:06.32 | redguy | CutMeOwnThroat: I made two ;P |
| 15:06.38 | Janni | stew: *checking* .oO(What is usb-storage?) |
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| 15:06.51 | ScottO_ | Janni: lsusb |
| 15:07.00 | stew | Janni: a kernel module |
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| 15:07.38 | Janni | Thanks, that might be it. Give me some time to check this out. |
| 15:08.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | ScottO_, point |
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| 15:08.49 | ScottO_ | :D |
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| 15:09.35 | dan2 | abrotman, you here? |
| 15:09.40 | abrotman | yes |
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| 15:09.56 | dan2 | abrotman, what's up man? |
| 15:10.32 | fulat2k | hi folks, is there a way to find out what PHP patches are in the 5.2.6-1+lenny9 php package in debian? |
| 15:11.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | redguy, but mine was more complicated :-P |
| 15:11.22 | abrotman | dan2: not much .. |
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| 15:11.59 | dan2 | abrotman, well, life is interesting here |
| 15:12.05 | dan2 | abrotman, I now live in Denver |
| 15:12.10 | abrotman | dan2: either msg or #debian-offtopic please :) |
| 15:12.16 | stew | fulat2k: do you mean 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9 ? |
| 15:12.36 | abrotman | dan2: i wouldn't want the ops to ban me for being offtopic you know ... |
| 15:12.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | fulat2k, aptitude changelog <package> might help, or apt-get source <package> and check what changes are applied to the tarball |
| 15:13.06 | stew | fulat2k: you can go to http://packages.debian.org/php5 click on a version, then download the .diff.gz which is the patch against the (modified) upstream tarball |
| 15:14.00 | fulat2k | stew: i'm basing it on the web server headers. not sure if that's the one you quoted |
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| 15:14.16 | fulat2k | CutMeOwnThroat: i'll try that along with stew's recommendation |
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| 15:15.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | (the 2nd was the same as stews suggestion, but letting apt-get do the downloading) |
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| 15:15.12 | d0uglas | hi folks. so let's say I want to grep my access log to scoop out something like (Linux; U; Android 2.0; en-us; .. how could I do that? -e? quotes? for multiple words and symbols |
| 15:15.19 | d0uglas | made an effort manning grep.. |
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| 15:16.43 | yang | I am having some sort of a "iceweasel" bug, it keeps starting always after reboot, even that I haved closed all previous windows before, and when exiting from it, it gives me some crashing error code... |
| 15:17.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | d0uglas, you need quotes, (take ') but that belongs more to #bash... you want "man 7 regex" for the "something like"-part |
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| 15:18.26 | stew | d0uglas: fgrep 'Linux; ; Android 2.0; en-us' ? or is some of the stuff variable? |
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| 15:21.56 | d0uglas | thanks guys |
| 15:21.59 | d0uglas | appreciate that |
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| 15:22.58 | d0uglas | stew the Linux; ; Android 2.0; en-us was just part of a user agent string, not broken up |
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| 15:28.42 | d0uglas | Any way I can grep an access.log for a certain string, like 'Windows Phone OS 7.0', and not only dump that output into a separate file but also to have that always running? |
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| 15:29.32 | abrotman | didn't we just cover that ? |
| 15:29.36 | d0uglas | maybe with tail? |
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| 15:29.58 | d0uglas | we covered how to get multiple words and symbols and it works great, moved on to asking if i can have that run all the time |
| 15:30.18 | d0uglas | as with tail -f |
| 15:30.38 | wolfric__ | I'm having a problem mounting my hard drive? I've got a external usb hdd named "my passport" which may or may not have something to do with it. when i plug it in it says invalid mount option |
| 15:30.44 | abrotman | tail -f access.log | grep foo > yourfile |
| 15:31.03 | d0uglas | ah. nice. |
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| 15:31.18 | d0uglas | you guys are #1 when it comes to debian and non-debian-specific questions :) |
| 15:31.34 | wolfric__ | if i go to gparted and right click and go to partition information it says unable to read the contents of this filesystem. (it's ntfs) |
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| 15:34.55 | AmberJ | Hello, I recently installed debian from xfce+lxde ISO. When I booted into debian, I did "dpkg -R" to install all packages on installation media (i.e. my pendrive). Now when I try to boot into debian I get this error: http://codepad.org/UEWQs42w |
| 15:35.04 | AmberJ | What could be causing this problem>? |
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| 15:36.18 | dancios | is arm hard fp arm port avaliable for downlad & test ? |
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| 15:36.44 | AmberJ | I remember some prompt when I did "dpkg -R" which said that it could cause no partition to be mounted as root if I proceed with that particular package install (or something like that) |
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| 15:40.42 | AmberJ | Also, it drops me to a (initramfs) prompt |
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| 15:43.47 | AmberJ | Is this problem related with updating to grub 2? (I'm starting to get some installation memories back) |
| 15:43.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | AmberJ, how should anyone be able to say with this information... obviously it doesn't find the disk/partition combination specified to mount root on. Nothing else you say gives further clues as to why. You might see what update-grub tells you |
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| 15:45.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | first thing to do would be to figure out where the root filesystem is... |
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| 15:46.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | !rescue |
| 15:46.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?"). Ask me about <rescue mode>. See also <fixmbr> and <i forgot root's password>. |
| 15:46.27 | AmberJ | CutMeOwnThroat: you mean the partition where root fs is located? like /dev/sdc1? |
| 15:46.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... or like /dev/[hs]da1, what it seems to be trying right now |
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| 15:49.29 | AmberJ | CutMeOwnThroat: Ok. I found out the partition. Now? |
| 15:49.30 | blue_anna | ubuntu's 10.10 is broken out of the box for gnome on the ppc system, I was thinking about trying out debian. is there a guide on how to temporarily switch back and forth between ubuntu and debian on the disk ? |
| 15:49.45 | AmberJ | chroot into existing system? |
| 15:50.00 | AmberJ | and then edit some file? (that's what I am guessing) |
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| 15:51.00 | Bastihase | ☹ |
| 15:51.01 | omes | home sweet home... |
| 15:51.38 | omes | i've been squatting #centos for the last couple of days, due to that distro being developed on mescaline... |
| 15:51.42 | abrotman | blue_anna: is /home/ a separate partition ? |
| 15:51.45 | omes | I'm ready to confess my sins.. ;) |
| 15:52.16 | blue_anna | abrotman, yes, I did a custom partitioning |
| 15:52.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | blue_anna, probably... but all you do is to install on a separate partition and configure grub of one of them to be able to boot all... sharing /home and swap partitions if possible |
| 15:52.34 | blue_anna | CutMeOwnThroat, I'm on a powerpc .. there is no grub |
| 15:52.38 | abrotman | blue_anna: you could just install/reinstall each one .. it's not hard to get Debian up and running in a short time |
| 15:53.20 | blue_anna | abrotman, you mean like, directly with apt ? |
| 15:53.43 | abrotman | no .. i mean, an actual system install |
| 15:53.53 | abrotman | if you want to evaluate debian first, you could use virtualbox etc |
| 15:54.01 | abrotman | wait .. does vbox run on ppc ? |
| 15:54.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | blue_anna, oh, right, you said... which reminds me... there's also #debianppc on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:54.26 | blue_anna | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks :) I'll ask there aobut the glib issue |
| 15:54.44 | abrotman | blue_anna: you're asking #debianppc about Ubuntu ? |
| 15:55.06 | blue_anna | abrotman, no .. I'm just thinking to verify that debian doesn't in fact have the same problem |
| 15:55.20 | abrotman | blue_anna: probably easier to just try it :) |
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| 15:55.58 | abrotman | if you have fast internet, it won't take you long |
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| 15:57.37 | blue_anna | abrotman, okay .. does it have a live cd or .. how do I specifically go about doing this? tell you the truth, I have a spare harddrive, if it gets too complicated I can just swap out and install on taht one |
| 15:57.54 | abrotman | blue_anna: i dont' believe that the debian-live project has a PPC version |
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| 15:58.28 | stew | abrotman: iirc it supports ppc but doesn't seem distribute one. so perhaps one can build their own with live-helper or whatever it is |
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| 16:05.25 | Dewi | having a bit of trouble with unionfs-fuse |
| 16:05.41 | Dewi | it will pass writes to a read-only branch, and then refuse to delete the file it just created |
| 16:06.17 | Dewi | what I really want is for it to just never hit a "disk full" condition unnecessarily |
| 16:06.30 | Dewi | I don't mind which underlying FSes it writes |
| 16:06.43 | blue_anna | is there an easy way to build the iso's directly from the jigdo urls ? |
| 16:06.49 | Dewi | maybe I should be using aufs or something? |
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| 16:09.11 | blue_anna | because the torrent is giving me an error |
| 16:09.20 | abrotman | blue_anna: it's really easier to download the netinst ISO |
| 16:09.31 | stew | blue_anna: why not just download an iso with a web browser? |
| 16:09.47 | blue_anna | it said the preferred way was to use jigdo :) |
| 16:10.02 | blue_anna | so I downlaoded jigdo and .. the cli is a little lackluster |
| 16:10.06 | Dewi | blue_anna: use a mirror near to you if you're worried. It will also be nice and fast |
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| 16:10.57 | abrotman | blue_anna: really, get the netinst ISO .. it's only 160MB or so .. |
| 16:10.58 | tgywa | can Nagios anticipate disk failur? |
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| 16:11.31 | robokop | tgywa: sometimes SMART can, and you can write a nagios plugin to monitor smart results |
| 16:11.35 | Dewi | tgywa: smartmontools sometimes can |
| 16:12.01 | Dewi | yeah what robokop said. Although I think smartd will already email root if things look bad.... |
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| 16:12.16 | tgywa | robokop, my disk doesn't support smartmontools... tried but can't enable it |
| 16:12.20 | robokop | Dewi: indeed, but he asked if nagios could do it |
| 16:12.44 | tgywa | robokop, it is she ... not he |
| 16:12.47 | tgywa | thank u |
| 16:12.50 | robokop | tgywa: sorry i don't know another way then smart |
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| 16:13.00 | robokop | tgywa: sorry my fair lady |
| 16:13.09 | blue_anna | that doesnt appear to be available in powerpc |
| 16:13.16 | robokop | hard to see from a nick tbh |
| 16:13.33 | stew | blue_anna: what is "that"? |
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| 16:14.12 | blue_anna | a netinstall- .. oo I see its just a CD? :) |
| 16:14.26 | stew | blue_anna: it is available for "ppc", and its just a cd |
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| 16:24.56 | lloowen | Hi all!! Can anyone recommend a good groupware suite that is easy to insall on Debian? I failed miserably at getting kolab and citadel to work on Debian. Any recommendations on a good groupware server would be much appreciated. |
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| 16:25.25 | abrotman | egroupware and phpgroupware are both packaged i believe |
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| 16:26.37 | lloowen | OK. I thought egroupware was not free, but thanks anyway, I'll check them out. |
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| 16:27.47 | abrotman | sure seems to be packaged |
| 16:27.57 | abrotman | judd: versions egroupware-core |
| 16:28.00 | judd | Package egroupware-core on i386 -- etch-backports: 1.4.004-2.dfsg-4.1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.4.004-2.dfsg-4.2; lenny-security: 1.4.004-2.dfsg-4.2; lenny-backports: 1.6.002+dfsg-1~bpo50+1 |
| 16:28.30 | diago | lloowen: we use Open Xchange here |
| 16:29.07 | diago | it's not as easy an install as the above but it's great software |
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| 16:34.25 | iman | how can i found gnome version? |
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| 16:36.56 | Boohemian | jesus, why is mailman version 1.2.1 in debian lenny, with the current version being 2.1.14? why is it so behind? |
| 16:38.03 | eshat | Boohemian: in squeeze it will be 2.1.13 |
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| 16:38.10 | Boohemian | 2.0.1 was released 10/23/2006! |
| 16:38.28 | Boohemian | eshat: 4 years for lenny to catch up!?!!? |
| 16:38.32 | eshat | well, I am sure there a good reasons for the old version beeing in lennt |
| 16:38.40 | eshat | lenny* |
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| 16:40.20 | Boohemian | laziness? |
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| 16:41.46 | stew | Boohemian: the version in lenny is version 2.1.11 not 1.2.1 |
| 16:41.48 | atula | greetings. I know that you should not serve your (source codes) along with the static files in the same directory. But to what extent? If I were to put my codes in /src/myproject and symlink my media directory into /static/myproject_media and serve them via apache that way... is that safe? I guess what's confusing to me is, if they can mess around with directory, wouldn't they be able to get to the other directory? Could someone offer some thoughts? thank |
| 16:41.58 | atula | (web site) |
| 16:42.07 | Boohemian | aha, stew lol |
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| 16:42.53 | stew | Boohemian: 2.1.11 was released in June 2008, 2.1.12 was released in Feb 2009. since lenny was frozen in 2008, it looks like it had the most recent version at the time it was frozen |
| 16:43.25 | Boohemian | stew: what does "frozen" mean? no more packages are added to lenny after that date in 2008? |
| 16:43.37 | stew | Boohemian: yes |
| 16:43.50 | Boohemian | stew: why? |
| 16:43.52 | stew | Boohemian: well, not after it was released in 2009 |
| 16:43.56 | stew | Boohemian: because it is stable now |
| 16:44.10 | Boohemian | oh, which means you can't add any new packages to it, else you could break it? |
| 16:44.12 | stew | Boohemian: so it should only get security fixes (with some rare exceptions) |
| 16:44.14 | Boohemian | so, you have to use backports, right? |
| 16:44.17 | stew | Boohemian: yes |
| 16:44.23 | Boohemian | i've had to install code the old fashioned way once: tomcat6 |
| 16:44.31 | gandhijee | hey guys, how can i change the order my modules are loaded in? |
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| 16:45.53 | antivirtel | hello all! |
| 16:46.54 | antivirtel | I want to ask, that what does rpc do? http://www.linuxsecurity.com/resource_files/host_security/securing-debian-howto/ch8.en.html#s8.10 <-- I found this, but I think thats not enough info about RPC, it is required for a single lenny webserver?! :D |
| 16:48.19 | stew | Boohemian: so you were confused by the 1: at the beginning of the version number, which is the "epoch" which is added by debian, you can ignore that part to get the upstream version. more about it here: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version |
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| 16:49.01 | Boohemian | stew: thank you! |
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| 16:50.51 | pfarrell | Hi; I wanted to play around with kFreeBSD-gnu so downloaded a virtualbox image from the internet |
| 16:50.58 | pfarrell | but want to set the keyboard on the console from US to UK |
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| 16:51.10 | pfarrell | how do I change the keyboard settings in debian/freebsd? |
| 16:51.27 | pfarrell | googling for freebsd says to use sysconfig, which doesn't appear to exist |
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| 16:53.46 | antivirtel | pfarrell http://www.howtoforge.com/changing-language-and-keyboard-layout-on-various-linux-distributions <-- something about debian keyboard conf |
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| 16:54.36 | pfarrell | thanks! |
| 16:54.40 | pfarrell | that appears to have done the trick |
| 16:54.50 | wolfric__ | how can i stop debian from opening a new window every time i change dir |
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| 16:55.24 | tharkun | What is the preffered format to submit patches for a package on Debian? |
| 16:55.48 | xyan | a unified diff should be fine |
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| 16:56.26 | cahoot | wolfric__: you mean nautilus? |
| 16:56.43 | tharkun | xyan: thx |
| 16:56.45 | antivirtel | pfarrell you are welcome! :) |
| 16:56.52 | wolfric__ | cahoot: i don't know what that is |
| 16:57.11 | wolfric__ | cahoot: i know that ubuntu uses gnome and it doesn't behave like that |
| 16:57.24 | cahoot | wolfric__: the 'file browser' i gnome |
| 16:57.29 | antivirtel | wolfric__ Help>About and see it's name plz |
| 16:57.39 | d0uglas | Hi again. So one of my servers, though it opens the incoming connections to the various daemons and it responds to pings fast, doesn't do anything other than that and it's been like that for a good while.. could that be just some sort of looping runaway process or a kernel panic? No way out but to reboot? |
| 16:58.42 | stew | d0uglas: could be out of memory. no way to know really if you cannot get a shell on that box |
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| 16:59.17 | d0uglas | damn.. should have gotten watchdog |
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| 16:59.47 | d0uglas | other side of town and i was just about to hit a 500 day uptime :'( |
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| 17:02.08 | stew | d0uglas: so you are due for a kernel upgrade anwyay |
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| 17:06.55 | iman | i only can listen from one side of headphone, what's the problem? |
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| 17:07.48 | xyan | iman: you muted the other channel |
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| 17:08.04 | defacer | when the 6.0 will be stable, plz? |
| 17:08.12 | iman | xyan, no , every thing is ok |
| 17:08.21 | xyan | iman: your speaker a borked |
| 17:08.36 | xyan | iman: your speakers are broken!* |
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| 17:08.56 | iman | xyan, i can listen from fedora, but with debian i cant listen |
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| 17:09.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell defacer -about |
| 17:09.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 17:09.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell defacer -about wir |
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| 17:10.23 | tharkun | iman: check that your headphones are correctly pluged and look for hw trouble |
| 17:11.17 | iman | tharkun, in visual window it doesn't any problem, how can i access to terminal config |
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| 17:11.44 | xyan | iman: theres alsamixer to see the levels |
| 17:11.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell defacer -about release critical bugs |
| 17:12.27 | xyan | iman: and aplay -l or aplay -L to list the available playback devices |
| 17:14.02 | qwd | defacer: http://blog.schmehl.info/ |
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| 17:19.22 | ekontsev1y | How can I debug DHCP negotiation? I.e. see how many DHCP servers reply to client broadcasts? |
| 17:19.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | tcpdump/wireshark/...? |
| 17:20.10 | omes | might also be in the logs of the dhcp client you're using :) |
| 17:20.10 | defacer | dhclient |
| 17:20.14 | omes | ask for verbose output |
| 17:20.17 | ekontsev1y | CutMeOwnThroat: hm... was hoping for an easier way, like super-verbose mode for dhcpcd |
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| 17:21.36 | omes | ekontsev1y: dhclient like defacer pointed out might be able to help you... |
| 17:21.45 | omes | why exactly are you using dhcpcd? |
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| 17:24.13 | ekontsev1y | omes: I'm not, I have a machine on the network here which uses it and it won't grab an IP if we turn one of 2 DHCP servers off. Everyone else grabs IPs from the remaining server. |
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| 17:25.12 | crissi | hello |
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| 17:25.35 | defacer | hi D: |
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| 17:26.05 | jhutchins2 | ekontsev1y: Systems normally cache the previous DHCP info and attempt to recover the same lease from the same server. You need to force that client to release it's current address and ask for a new server. |
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| 17:27.40 | crissi | i'm looking for an easy way to do bandwidth throttling with iptables... tc is not that i want, i'm looking for a why where i can say something like 'iptables -s 1.2.3.4 --max-up=5k/s --max-down=20k/s' |
| 17:27.57 | crissi | is there a iptables module with can do that? |
| 17:28.35 | crissi | the ratelimit modules seems a litte bit match but it cant do the trick fully |
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| 17:30.00 | ekontsev1y | jhutchins2: thanks, will try to do that |
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| 17:38.12 | diago | Anyone know of anyother Active Directory helpers other than sadms. |
| 17:38.16 | diago | The project looks dead |
| 17:39.06 | subsume | yo |
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| 17:40.04 | mee | So, the ssh_config manpage (under ProxyCommand) has an example command for sshing through a proxy. However, the example used requires the nc(1) provided by the netcat-openbsd package instead of the traditional package. Would you guys consider that a bug in the (Debian) manpage? |
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| 17:41.54 | GuySoft | dammit dammit dammit |
| 17:41.57 | GuySoft | im running kde3 here, and i my mistake selected to install kde4 when installing openshot |
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| 17:43.06 | babilen | qhtc desire hd review |
| 17:43.33 | babilen | disregard that :) |
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| 17:44.32 | jordanm | mee: what is wrong about it? |
| 17:44.55 | jordanm | mee: its a "transitional", not traditional |
| 17:45.35 | nitrogoldfish | so if i needed to install something from sarge repos, any recommendations on how to find that? (more specifically, looking for git-core) |
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| 17:46.17 | babilen | !debian archive |
| 17:46.17 | dpkg | Debian has archives of no-longer-supported releases at http://archive.debian.org/ . To use with <APT>, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For old versions of specific packages, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 17:46.50 | nitrogoldfish | thanks |
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| 17:56.16 | mee | jordanm: If what's wrong isn't obvious, I guess it's not a bug. |
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| 18:00.44 | remur_030 | Hello, I want to interrupt start till ntpd set a useful time |
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| 18:01.20 | remur_030 | the process runs fine but it hasn't set the time yet, so everytime half my stuff fails on start because of bogus system time |
| 18:01.48 | kencausey | The nouveau driver is failing badly on my just installed 6.1beta1, what is the proper way to remove/disable it and allow it to fall back to nv or vesa? |
| 18:02.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | do I see that correctly, that the crash happens in python-visual itself and not somewhere in libboost in this traceback? http://pastebin.com/Axp2UdS2 |
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| 18:04.47 | kencausey | I found a page describing adding a blacklist entry to modprobe.d/blacklist.conf and am trying that now. |
| 18:05.16 | kencausey | appears to be working |
| 18:05.47 | jordanm | kencausey: you need to create your own file. the system may overwrite your changes to that file without wanring |
| 18:06.02 | jordanm | make a new file called local-changes.conf or something and add the blacklist to that |
| 18:06.56 | kencausey | jordanm: ok, thanks |
| 18:07.53 | amee2k | where can i get install CDs for debian legacy versions? like 3.1 or so |
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| 18:08.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | remur_030, start ntpd earlier? |
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| 18:09.08 | nitrogoldfish | amee2k: ooh, i know this one, i just asked a few minutes ago |
| 18:09.09 | nitrogoldfish | !debian archive |
| 18:09.09 | dpkg | Debian has archives of no-longer-supported releases at http://archive.debian.org/ . To use with <APT>, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For old versions of specific packages, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 18:09.37 | amee2k | haha cool |
| 18:09.42 | amee2k | nitrogoldfish: thanks :) |
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| 18:24.45 | EvaLuaTe | hello |
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| 18:26.30 | EvaLuaTe | I have submitted a package for "RFP", by sending an e-mail to submit@bugs.debian.org and I have a couple of questions. Firstly, will I get an answer, even if it's a negative one? or will I only get an answer if there's someone that wants to maintain the package? |
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| 18:28.19 | abrotman | EvaLuaTe: which package was it? |
| 18:28.31 | EvaLuaTe | abrotman, it's name is clipit |
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| 18:29.51 | abrotman | EvaLuaTe: you are not guaranteed an answer. Someone may ask you about licensing or something like that, or someone may offer to package it |
| 18:30.05 | abrotman | EvaLuaTe: you can also package it yourself and ask for a sponsor and become the maintainer for that pacakge |
| 18:30.14 | EvaLuaTe | abrotman, also, the package was forked from parcellite (which, as far as I have seen, was being maintained in debian) and because parcellite isn't being maintained anymore and because in clipit I have managed to fix a bunch of bugs and will still continue to improve it, I wouldn't see any reason why it shouldn't be maintained |
| 18:30.53 | abrotman | judd: versions parcellite |
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| 18:30.54 | judd | Package parcellite on i386 -- lenny: 0.7-1; sid: 0.9.2-1; squeeze: 0.9.2-1 |
| 18:31.12 | EvaLuaTe | abrotman, well, I thought about packaging it myself, but I couldn't see a comprehensive guide (like step-for-step) on how I could do this. |
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| 18:31.28 | abrotman | EvaLuaTe: you may want to contact the parcellite maintainer and see if they would be interested in maintaining that also |
| 18:31.31 | EvaLuaTe | and I'm saying step-for-step beacuse I wouldn't want to do anything wrong... |
| 18:31.34 | abrotman | !nmg |
| 18:31.34 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
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| 18:32.53 | abrotman | EvaLuaTe: the maintainer for parcellite might be the most interested .. perhaps also file a 'wishlist' bug against parcellite that points the maintainer at ClipIt |
| 18:33.10 | abrotman | eh .. well .. maybe not .. that doesn't make much sense |
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| 18:33.35 | EvaLuaTe | abrotman, hmm, that looks pretty complete. One more question then, if I would package it myself, would it then surely be included in debian? |
| 18:34.01 | abrotman | EvaLuaTe: it would not be included in squeeze, but if you could find a sponsor, you could get it into wheezy i would imagine |
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| 18:34.38 | abrotman | (and you could get it into squeeze via the backports system if you really wanted) |
| 18:35.35 | EvaLuaTe | abrotman, yeah, I guessed that, I seen that the inclusion of new packages in squeeze ended in July or something like that. Anyway, how would I go about finding a sponsor (or is that also described in the New Maintainer's guide)? |
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| 18:37.01 | he2 | hi |
| 18:37.16 | he2 | is it possible to add a swap-partition after installing? |
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| 18:38.06 | EvaLuaTe | he2, you could format a partition as swap and as far as I can remember use it with 'swapon /dev/sdax' |
| 18:38.06 | abrotman | !tell EvaLuaTe about mentors |
| 18:38.22 | abrotman | he2: you can use a swapfile .. it will work the same as a partitiion |
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| 18:39.32 | EvaLuaTe | abrotman, ok, thank you very much |
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| 18:40.05 | d0uglas | why might a command like this be eating up all my memory, causing a crash? tail -f /var/log/apache/mobility-access.log|fgrep 'Windows Phone OS 7.0' > mobilitywp7-access.logtail -f /var/log/apache/mobility-access.log |
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| 18:40.34 | d0uglas | that came out wrong.. |
| 18:40.43 | he2 | i have a swap partition already |
| 18:40.55 | abrotman | he2: man mkswap .. man swapon |
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| 18:44.04 | EvaLuaTe | d0uglas, try escaping the dot in the string you pass to fgrep... |
| 18:44.39 | nitrogoldfish | so i have a debian sarge box. i need to install git. git-core doesn't exist in archived sarge repos, and if i try apt-get -t stable install git-core, it lists dpkg as a dependency. upon attempting to update dpkg, i get errors like "chown: changing ownership of `\301\253\006': No such file or directory". any ideas on where to go from here? |
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| 18:44.55 | nitrogoldfish | i'm fortunate in that i'm able to revert the machine back to an original state in case i screw anything up too badly |
| 18:45.08 | nitrogoldfish | also, it's an ARM processor |
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| 18:45.14 | stew | EvaLuaTe: it wouldnt' make sense to escape a string to fgrep |
| 18:45.39 | stew | nitrogoldfish: sarge isn't stable |
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| 18:45.49 | he2 | 'swapon /dev/sda5'is all? |
| 18:45.53 | c4pt | hi i seem to be having a problem with nvidia-settings it refuses to start as root |
| 18:45.57 | abrotman | sarge is very much not stable .. it's old old stable! |
| 18:45.57 | stew | nitrogoldfish: lenny is stable. you should consider upgrading to lenny (support for sarge was ended a long time ago) |
| 18:45.59 | EvaLuaTe | stew, ohh, yeah, thought about egrep there... :p |
| 18:46.02 | c4pt | i have two video cards in my computer at the moment |
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| 18:46.07 | c4pt | the nvidia module loads ok though |
| 18:46.20 | stew | he2: did you run mkswap? |
| 18:46.28 | he2 | does /dev/sda5 now automount as swap |
| 18:46.38 | stew | he2: you'd also want to edit /etc/fstab to add the new swap partition so that it is automatically restart |
| 18:46.42 | c4pt | http://www.pastie.org/1287746 |
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| 18:46.56 | nitrogoldfish | i know, it's an old install. considering everythign else on the box though i can't just upgrade to lenny, as much as i'd like to |
| 18:47.05 | nitrogoldfish | stew ^^ |
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| 18:47.57 | foetus | is learning php ... |
| 18:48.01 | stew | nitrogoldfish: you should not try to install packages from stable onto sarge |
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| 18:48.53 | stew | nitrogoldfish: note that the reason that sarge doesn't contain git is that sarge is older than git |
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| 18:49.14 | EvaLuaTe | abrotman, btw, dpkg pointed me to the channel #debian-mentors in his message, but that channel seems to be inactive... |
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| 18:49.46 | stew | nitrogoldfish: BUT. if you've already installed packages from stable. i'd recommend upgrading from sarge to etch, then from etch to lenny |
| 18:49.59 | stew | EvaLuaTe: its on irc.debian.org, not here |
| 18:50.45 | EvaLuaTe | stew, ohh, aight, missed that part. it's late here, so I'm a bit tired, sorry |
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| 18:52.13 | abrotman | EvaLuaTe: also take a peek at the website the bot mentioned |
| 18:52.16 | nitrogoldfish | stew: the developer that's been working on this box primarily said "we tried to upgrade to lenny (and etch). tried about 19 different upgrade paths, and in the end it still didn't work. eventually the client decided it wasn't worth the cost and we've been running sarge since" i don't know what the problems were, all i know is that the developers and client both shudder in fear when i mention upgrading |
| 18:52.24 | abrotman | the mentors.debian.net |
| 18:52.44 | stew | nitrogoldfish: then i guess I'd recommend reinstalling |
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| 18:53.18 | EvaLuaTe | abrotman, yeah, I was going through it right now, thanks :-) |
| 18:53.26 | abrotman | nitrogoldfish: FWIW, you cannot go straight from sarge to lenny, that will break |
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| 18:53.39 | eptalon | heyas guys |
| 18:54.19 | eptalon | what am I doing wrong if my 16x capable DVD writer writes a 16x capable DVD-R at a speed of 4x? |
| 18:54.22 | abrotman | holy crap .. someone is looking for a mentor for isdnutils .. does anyone still use that? |
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| 18:55.07 | eptalon | abrotman: wasn't ISDN the overpriced crap where you could get twice the data rate, at twice the price? |
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| 18:55.28 | abrotman | well, at the time it wasn't overpriced |
| 18:55.45 | abrotman | wonders why the mentors page doesn't have an option to exclude packages that already have sponsors ... |
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| 18:55.56 | eptalon | and I think if you have a BRI-type ISDN, it even got the speed |
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| 18:57.31 | nitrogoldfish | abrotman & stew asked the dev to elaborate on some of his problems with upgrading...it seems that there are enough custom kernel modules to make the pain of upgrading is greater than the pain of not having git |
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| 18:57.44 | abrotman | why is the kernel custom at all ? |
| 18:57.57 | nehalem_00 | Hi, how can it be, that apache stays with system/localtime although i changed the php.ini and restarted apache2? |
| 18:58.19 | nitrogoldfish | abrotman: custom modules, not custom kernel. it's an embedded gizmo |
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| 18:59.01 | eptalon | rejoices over being able to burn a 16x dvd at a speed of 4x... |
| 18:59.18 | nitrogoldfish | if git can work in sarge, that'd be awesome. if it can't, then we'll just have to deal with it |
| 18:59.20 | abrotman | nitrogoldfish: so can lenny even be installed on the system ? |
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| 18:59.30 | nitrogoldfish | abrotman: nope |
| 18:59.38 | abrotman | nitrogoldfish: the best bet you'll have to is to add deb-src lines for whatever you want and try to backport it .. best of luck! |
| 19:00.07 | nitrogoldfish | thanks |
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| 19:00.43 | cmyers | hey all - I am using the "zip" package (which provides InfoZIP implementation). The zip files I am creating seem to be corrupt, when I try to extract them on windows they ask for a password for certain files. I can extract them fine under linux though. ANyone seen this before? Googling hasn't yielded any results yet. |
| 19:01.02 | cmyers | (using squeeze/sid) |
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| 19:01.33 | abrotman | nitrogoldfish: and you may end up with a lot of pain doing that .. i cannot strongly recommend a backup of the system before you do any of this .. |
| 19:01.37 | abrotman | erm ... |
| 19:01.43 | abrotman | i cannot strongly enough recommend :) |
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| 19:02.11 | nitrogoldfish | abrotman: already done : ) |
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| 19:02.19 | abrotman | nitrogoldfish: and check that backup! |
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| 19:03.11 | remur_030_v2 | heya, I want to host /var on a windows host, is it possible to do that and use the usual posix rights? |
| 19:03.31 | abrotman | *shudder* |
| 19:03.39 | dkr | "Only wimps use tape backup: real men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)" -- Linus Torvalds |
| 19:03.54 | remur_030_v2 | abrotman: i don't like it either =( |
| 19:04.13 | remur_030_v2 | it's the only other 24/7 system here and my usb hard drive keeps failing on my sheeva plug |
| 19:04.14 | dkr | remur_030_v2: win32 nfs server? |
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| 19:05.59 | remur_030_v2 | dkr: ah, googling for nfs windows only turned up clients which themself also looked shoddy so I gave up on nfs |
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| 19:06.14 | remur_030_v2 | but that indeed looks promising |
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| 19:10.46 | Tekk_ | I'm in squeeze amd64, and when I run 32 bit applications sometimes they say that libraries are missing |
| 19:10.54 | eptalon | remur_030_v2: there was an "Unix client programs for Windows" or similar |
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| 19:14.09 | psycodad | hi - are there any upgrade guides for lenny -> squeeze ? |
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| 19:17.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | !lenny2squeeze |
| 19:17.18 | dpkg | In /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines volatile, backports, then change lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,` && apt-get dist-upgrade". Make sure you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed prior to rebooting check: aptitude versions '~nlinux-image~i'. See also <testing> <testing security> <squeeze release notes>. |
| 19:17.46 | eptalon | how do I get rid of a stale (disconnected) nfs mount? |
| 19:17.51 | psycodad | ty CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 19:18.58 | guysoft42 | hi all, is there a way to install kde3 on squeeze? |
| 19:18.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | what happened to rebooting before you do the dist-upgrade? |
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| 19:20.58 | psycodad | is there way to find out if my system has packages from repository x or y installed ? I just wonder if I loose anything if I remove volatile and backports |
| 19:21.19 | anonobomber | eptalon: umount -f. Use lsof to see if anything is locking it if that doesn't work and kill those processes that are |
| 19:21.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | psycodad, apt-show-versions |
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| 19:21.49 | eptalon | anonobomber: the problem is that the "nfs" on the other side is no longer available |
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| 19:22.40 | fauxalliance | eptalon, man kill... time to go hunt zombies |
| 19:22.41 | anonobomber | eptalon: if no processes are trying to access it even though it is unavailable you should be able to force unmount it |
| 19:22.45 | Carlitos__ | hi all |
| 19:22.53 | Carlitos__ | to put in the layout link ? |
| 19:23.01 | Carlitos__ | how could be ? |
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| 19:23.15 | breardo | hello! |
| 19:23.50 | breardo | I was looking at running OpenFiler for a SAN im building; but I was informed that Debian alone could perform the job, and become a standard iSCSI target. Can anyone shed light on this? |
| 19:23.59 | breardo | Ideally I'd much rather just run a standard debian box and have this work |
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| 19:25.01 | breardo | I did dig up the 'iScsiTarget' page on the Debian WIKI.. looks promising.. anyone here ever run this? |
| 19:25.22 | fauxalliance | http://www.debianhelp.org/node/14687 @ breardo |
| 19:26.06 | fauxalliance | breardo, simply 'sudo apt-get install tgt' |
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| 19:27.45 | abrotman | sudo ? |
| 19:28.11 | nathwill | or su -c |
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| 19:29.36 | peterrooney | ,versions tgt |
| 19:29.37 | judd | Package tgt on i386 -- sid: 1:1.0.4-2; squeeze: 1:1.0.4-2 |
| 19:31.16 | breardo | thanks fauxalliance.. |
| 19:31.24 | breardo | do you have any experience with this? |
| 19:31.31 | breardo | im just wondering about how well it works |
| 19:32.10 | fauxalliance | breardo, I imagine better than it's most expensive comparable option |
| 19:32.28 | breardo | :) |
| 19:32.30 | fauxalliance | as the old adage goes, Linux, nothing better, just more expensive. |
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| 19:32.45 | fauxalliance | s/Linux/ GNU/Linux |
| 19:32.51 | breardo | well the openfiler is free as well, and includes a nice web gui.. but im having driver issues and its based on rPath linux which im unsure of. |
| 19:33.19 | fauxalliance | breardo, skip the gui layer of abstraction.... |
| 19:33.26 | breardo | there is a xen domU version available, which im going to try out as well, but im thinking just doing this as simple as possible |
| 19:33.28 | breardo | i dont need any GUI |
| 19:33.33 | breardo | agreed fauxalliance |
| 19:34.01 | breardo | its just that I have to 'sell' (convince) others of this systems merit.. and these guys are all GUI afficionados (aka: unskilled administrators) |
| 19:34.45 | fauxalliance | breardo, I have a GUI box, not even connected to the network for the likes of those... they just need some 'pretty |
| 19:35.01 | breardo | aye |
| 19:35.13 | fauxalliance | interface to look at... i call it the "Management Console".... only for upper management ;-) |
| 19:35.15 | breardo | I guess I'll 'sell it' based on its speed and stability |
| 19:35.19 | breardo | hahahahahaha |
| 19:35.23 | breardo | good call :) |
| 19:36.20 | breardo | not to mention another web gui == potential compromise |
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| 19:36.25 | breardo | and another thing to break |
| 19:36.34 | fauxalliance | ^^most likely |
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| 19:36.59 | breardo | i'll be sure to give it a shot |
| 19:37.20 | breardo | on a somewhat related note.. im trying to install squeeze on a box, and I have a 3ware 3750 controller.. it keeps saying no drives are found.. |
| 19:37.30 | fauxalliance | hmmm... |
| 19:37.39 | breardo | however, I know there is a driver for it.. lsi megaraid_sas can do it, but I dont know how to get the newer driver into the installer |
| 19:37.41 | breardo | know what I mean? |
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| 19:37.56 | breardo | oh shit.. im trying to install lenny.. |
| 19:38.01 | breardo | doh |
| 19:38.15 | breardo | better reburn the disc and try because I thought squeeze was updated to support this card |
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| 19:39.14 | stew | breardo: does the 3ware see drives in the bios? |
| 19:39.35 | stew | "lsi megaraid_sas can do it" <- does this have anything to do with 3ware? |
| 19:39.46 | breardo | yes |
| 19:39.49 | breardo | lsi owns 3ware |
| 19:40.03 | breardo | and yes the drives are all visible in the 3ware manager |
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| 19:40.20 | breardo | and it worked in FreeBSD |
| 19:40.23 | breardo | so I know its "working" |
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| 19:40.45 | stew | "it keeps saying no drives are found" <- where? when? does it say this |
| 19:40.59 | breardo | during the install process |
| 19:41.24 | breardo | i presume just prior to where you can setup the partitions |
| 19:41.36 | breardo | im trying squeeze now.. was installing lenny by mistake on my part |
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| 19:45.36 | cRAT | all....have any of you tried setting up a custom web form that will send to a google mailbox upon hitting the submit button? I'd also have to use google's smtp as the relay. Any thoughts on this?? |
| 19:46.17 | cRAT | will be using sendmail or exim to accomplish this |
| 19:46.47 | dkr | I don't understand why you'd have to use google smpt, sounds like sending a normal mail |
| 19:46.56 | nathwill | agrees |
| 19:47.09 | cRAT | true, I suppose I could just simply use my isp's |
| 19:47.11 | breardo | yeah.. squeeze has the right drivers.. its installing fine.. sorry! |
| 19:47.11 | cRAT | correct? |
| 19:47.23 | dkr | that's how it's supposed to work |
| 19:47.46 | cRAT | ok...i think i was making it hard than needed to be |
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| 19:57.58 | bolt | how do I invert an agrument to find? say I do "find -name 'foo'", and then I want to find the files NOT named 'foo' |
| 19:59.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | bolt: with !, man pag eexplains :) |
| 19:59.12 | bolt | oh. nevermind. exclamation mark :) |
| 19:59.26 | bolt | Kamping_Kaiser: just found it. thanks for helping though :) |
| 19:59.42 | bolt | Kamping_Kaiser: didn't see that on my first skimming of the manual |
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| 20:03.31 | robokop | i first read revert instead of invert, find -name `echo foo | rev` |
| 20:03.43 | robokop | reverse |
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| 20:04.04 | ska | Is fam/famd important? |
| 20:04.09 | e7th04sh | Hello #debian, i am going through the processes on my machine trying to figure out what i dont need and should disable |
| 20:04.21 | ska | I see it installed on some systems, but don't know why. |
| 20:04.32 | e7th04sh | so the very first alphabetically is afpd, ApplTalk Filing daemon - what do i need this protocol for? |
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| 20:07.09 | peterrooney | e7th04sh: you might want to start with installing apt-file (aptitude install apt-file; apt-file), use it to search for which package owns the startup script. then apt-cache show <package> |
| 20:07.32 | Dekkzter | is there any way to start the debian installer inside an functioning debian install? |
| 20:07.37 | peterrooney | e7th04sh: eg: apt-file search /etc/init.d/afpd ; apt-cache show <whatever package it is> |
| 20:08.07 | e7th04sh | peterronney in most cases a google search reveals what it is |
| 20:08.28 | e7th04sh | by a process name |
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| 20:08.31 | peterrooney | e7th04sh: oh, and earlier, i should have said "aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update" |
| 20:08.49 | e7th04sh | thanks, tough i already know how to install stuff on debian |
| 20:08.54 | e7th04sh | ;-) |
| 20:09.08 | e7th04sh | anyways, finding out which package it comes from is often not helpful at all |
| 20:09.39 | e7th04sh | for example afpd - i know what it is, however i don;t know wether it is really used at all and thus can i disable it without any harm |
| 20:10.11 | Dekkzter | is there any way to start the debian installer from shell inside an functioning debian install? |
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| 20:10.57 | e7th04sh | btw would you happen to know how to get statistics on resource use of different processes? |
| 20:10.58 | peterrooney | e7th04sh: well, aptitude has the -s (simulate) option. if another package actually needs it, you shall be informed without any actual changes made. |
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| 20:11.20 | e7th04sh | peterrooney it's not only the packages that might need it, it can just be me |
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| 20:12.10 | e7th04sh | i just might be unaware that certain daemon or other process provides some option i use |
| 20:12.16 | Dekkzter | is there any way to start the debian installer from shell inside an functioning debian install? |
| 20:12.20 | e7th04sh | ok i need to reset this box, see you sson |
| 20:12.34 | aryko | Hello, I'd like to know if there's still a way to have something similar to stable,testing,unstable specified in my /etc/apt/sources.list with a /etc/apt/preferences file? I'd like to be able to use some unstable packages on a stable system. |
| 20:12.35 | e7th04sh | Dekkzter, you won;t get an answer earlier if you keep on posting the same question over and over again |
| 20:13.11 | Dekkzter | e7th04sh maybe if people didnt see it the first time? :) well. i wont spam it anymore |
| 20:13.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | bolt: ah, no worries :) |
| 20:13.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | Dekkzter: after say 4 hours try again. 4 minutes is a bit daft |
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| 20:14.08 | Dekkzter | as i said.. i wont spam it anymore |
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| 20:14.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | Dekkzter: to answer the question - no, i don't think d-i will run from a term. you can try bootstrap+manual grub setup (or similarly manual way) |
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| 20:15.28 | badzo | hi. i've just installed sid and i have one problem. iin lenny i could easily adjust pcspkr volume with xset command. now i cant do it, xset just doesnt work and adjusting volume in alsamixer neither. what could I do? |
| 20:15.36 | Dekkzter | ok... thing is... im running it on my nas instead of the firmware |
| 20:16.14 | Dekkzter | and cant boot a cd or anything on it |
| 20:18.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | Dekkzter: no idea |
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| 20:19.13 | gemis | hi, is there an easy way to install mpd 0.15 on lenny? |
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| 20:22.58 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 20:24.26 | breardo | hi |
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| 20:26.44 | Kurin | What's the best way to get python 2.6 or later in lenny? |
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| 20:28.25 | bolt | backports, if availale |
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| 20:28.46 | Kurin | it's not in backports |
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| 20:28.53 | breardo | ok.. sorry for being stupid here.. but im new to debian.. what are backports? they are somehow newer versions of software in the apt repos? or something like that? |
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| 20:30.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | breardo: yes |
| 20:30.18 | jhutchins2 | beardy: Backports are more recent versions of packages typically from the testing or unstable branches that are built against the stable environment. Typically they offer new features and functionality, but do not require an extensive replacement of system components. |
| 20:30.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | breardo: http://backports.debian.org/ has more details |
| 20:30.29 | jhutchins2 | beardo:^ |
| 20:30.34 | breardo | ok.. cool.. thanks :) |
| 20:30.52 | breardo | i've been frustrated at the lack of newer software in the apt repos.. so this is what i need to add to my sources.. |
| 20:30.54 | jhutchins2 | breardo: Tough nick.... |
| 20:30.56 | breardo | i'll read that, thanks |
| 20:30.59 | breardo | haha yeah sorry :) |
| 20:31.39 | jhutchins2 | breardo: It's recommended that you only use backports you specifically need, as the stable system has not been tested for all possible interactions with all possible backports. |
| 20:32.15 | breardo | that makes sense |
| 20:32.23 | jhutchins2 | breardo: It's important to remember that while the base versions of packages in stable may not be very recent, the packages are patched for security and bug fixes. |
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| 20:46.45 | foetus | with pride : setting and reading arrays with cookies and php is working.. |
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| 20:49.15 | foetus | php rocks.. |
| 20:49.28 | breardo | php is just a fad |
| 20:49.32 | breardo | </troll> |
| 20:50.02 | foetus | ;-) |
| 20:50.55 | breardo | for the record, debian squeeze supports my 3ware 9750-series cards with no issue whatsoever |
| 20:52.46 | abrotman | boo! |
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| 20:55.23 | stew | php is awesome when judged solely on the number of things they decided to put into the default namespace |
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| 21:07.18 | JGuzman | hi everybody |
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| 21:08.53 | JGuzman | is the Lenny now without Xorg? |
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| 21:09.04 | abrotman | no |
| 21:09.10 | abrotman | judd: versions xorg |
| 21:09.12 | judd | Package xorg on i386 -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19; lenny: 1:7.3+20; squeeze: 1:7.5+7; sid: 1:7.5+8; experimental: 1:7.6~2 |
| 21:09.14 | abrotman | see .. it has xorg! |
| 21:09.22 | JGuzman | I do not have my xorg.conf anymore |
| 21:09.25 | JGuzman | I mean... by default |
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| 21:12.00 | JGuzman | the question is...I am trying to install xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 21:12.16 | JGuzman | but If I do not have xorg in my system... |
| 21:12.21 | JGuzman | should I simply install it_ |
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| 21:13.04 | stew | JGuzman: if you don't have xorg and want it, we'd recommend "aptitude install xorg" |
| 21:13.20 | JGuzman | ok stew |
| 21:13.25 | JGuzman | I was not sure If I should install it |
| 21:13.34 | JGuzman | but I guess this is the only way to get the driver of the graphic card |
| 21:13.36 | stew | JGuzman: and that would include the intel driver |
| 21:13.45 | JGuzman | thats great! |
| 21:13.52 | JGuzman | ups |
| 21:13.54 | stew | JGuzman: its not the only way, no, its the easiest way |
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| 21:14.02 | JGuzman | seems like it is alreay installed |
| 21:14.03 | karsten-nr | query dpkg test |
| 21:14.09 | JGuzman | xorg is already the newest version. |
| 21:14.11 | foetus | ok..must go to sleep bye |
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| 21:14.18 | JGuzman | how is it possible that I have xorg |
| 21:14.23 | stew | JGuzman: then xserver-xorg-video-intel is probably already installed |
| 21:14.23 | JGuzman | but no xorg.conf? |
| 21:14.30 | stew | JGuzman: xorg.conf isn't generally needed |
| 21:14.42 | stew | JGuzman: things are detected at runtime now. |
| 21:14.48 | JGuzman | I see |
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| 21:15.31 | JGuzman | last time I installed a Debian was 2 years ago... :P |
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| 21:16.02 | JGuzman | should I simply create a xorg.conf file? |
| 21:16.17 | stew | JGuzman: do you need one? |
| 21:16.17 | karsten-nr | What's the source for info on removed packages? Specifically dillo. I'm on squeeze/sid pinned (mostly squeeze), and find dillo in sid, but it's not in my repos listings w/ aptitude search. |
| 21:16.36 | stew | karsten-nr: packages.qa.debian.org/dillo |
| 21:16.41 | karsten-nr | stew: tx |
| 21:16.43 | marcello_ | hello |
| 21:16.57 | JGuzman | stew, I guess so, because I have still some problems with the resolution of my images with evince |
| 21:16.58 | stew | karsten-nr: in the news section there will be removed links, the emails it links to should list bug numbers |
| 21:17.10 | marcello_ | what tools are available to parse the machine-readable copyright files ? |
| 21:17.18 | stew | JGuzman: what problem? |
| 21:17.31 | karsten-nr | stew: Deps on obsolete libs. OK. |
| 21:17.39 | stew | marcello_: i don't beleve there are any |
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| 21:17.59 | JGuzman | resolution is too poor |
| 21:18.08 | stew | JGuzman: what resolution is X running at? |
| 21:18.09 | JGuzman | when puting the images in a pdf file with LaTeX |
| 21:18.10 | karsten-nr | Any other suggestions for a lightning-fast, lightweight browser, not necessarilly good for Web 2.0 stuff, but general quick checks? |
| 21:18.12 | marcello_ | so what the use of writing machine readable copyright files ? |
| 21:18.15 | marcello_ | :) |
| 21:18.15 | JGuzman | now I have |
| 21:18.33 | robokop | karsten-nr: elinks |
| 21:18.33 | karsten-nr | marcello_: It makes the machines happy. |
| 21:18.33 | stew | marcello_: to make our job of verifying copyright files for accuuracy much more difficult, afaict |
| 21:18.34 | JGuzman | 1920x1200 |
| 21:18.39 | JGuzman | dpi is 96 |
| 21:18.53 | JGuzman | however the screenshots are awfull |
| 21:18.55 | marcello_ | this sucks |
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| 21:19.08 | karsten-nr | robokop: tx |
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| 21:19.16 | stew | JGuzman: what is the native resolution of your display? |
| 21:19.21 | marcello_ | I guess awk would be the right to parse it though |
| 21:19.25 | karsten-nr | robokop: Fan of w3m myself, but I'd like images. I think there's a w3m-img browser as well.... |
| 21:19.39 | JGuzman | 1280x800 |
| 21:19.41 | karsten-nr | robokop: Yep. |
| 21:19.47 | JGuzman | and unfortunately I cannot have it in the options |
| 21:19.53 | JGuzman | of the xfce |
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| 21:19.54 | stew | marcello_: check the wiki for for the page with the DEP, if there was a tool, I'd hope it was listed there |
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| 21:20.31 | stew | JGuzman: try "xrandr --mode 1280x800" |
| 21:20.42 | JGuzman | stew: ok |
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| 21:20.53 | stew | JGuzman: "xrandr" by itself should list your known outputs and available modes |
| 21:21.11 | stew | JGuzman: you might need something like "xrandr --output VGA --mode 1280x800" |
| 21:21.46 | marcello_ | stew: there is no such a tool |
| 21:21.59 | JGuzman | I see |
| 21:22.03 | JGuzman | I am trying |
| 21:22.07 | marcello_ | it's in "Things that might be good to have at some point" |
| 21:22.18 | JGuzman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.23 | JGuzman | this is the default of monitor 1 |
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| 21:25.17 | JGuzman | stew: it says: xrandr: cannot find mode 1280x800 |
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| 21:26.17 | stew | hmm i don't have a lenny copy of xrandr. was that option called --set instead of --mode? |
| 21:26.47 | JGuzman | probably --newmode |
| 21:26.50 | JGuzman | right? |
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| 21:28.24 | JGuzman | this is what my xrandr command outputs ->http://pastebin.com/yU5fvceu |
| 21:29.00 | stew | not --newmode |
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| 21:29.11 | JGuzman | okis |
| 21:29.22 | stew | JGuzman: you have two monitors? |
| 21:29.27 | JGuzman | yes |
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| 21:29.35 | stew | JGuzman: which one has the problem? |
| 21:29.40 | JGuzman | but I tried when I disconnected one and the problem with the resolution is the same |
| 21:29.41 | JGuzman | both |
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| 21:30.14 | JGuzman | If i make a screenshot with scrot, I can see the image very well w |
| 21:30.31 | JGuzman | but if I inserted in pdf, i get a aliasing effect |
| 21:30.38 | stew | JGuzman: what command did you run to change the resolution? |
| 21:30.43 | Joint | hey there i have a question how come my laptop is getting very hot, and is turning off on me. can someone help me out with this error I been looking around google but still can't find the right answer. |
| 21:31.08 | JGuzman | stew: I change the resolution in the xfce panel |
| 21:31.17 | stew | oh, i don't know about that |
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| 21:31.36 | stew | i thought you were running the commands I was suggesting |
| 21:31.43 | JGuzman | yes |
| 21:31.49 | JGuzman | but it does not work |
| 21:31.54 | Joint | i guess the cpu gets very hot and shutdowns to avoid overheating |
| 21:31.55 | stew | JGuzman: what exact command doesn't work? |
| 21:32.01 | JGuzman | xrand |
| 21:32.06 | JGuzman | xrandr, sorry |
| 21:32.18 | stew | JGuzman: you showed me the output of that command, and it worked |
| 21:32.24 | JGuzman | ah yes |
| 21:32.26 | stew | but it wouldn't have changed the resolution |
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| 21:32.30 | JGuzman | but it does not change the resolution |
| 21:32.31 | amphi | Joint: are you using the ondemand cpufreq governor? |
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| 21:32.39 | Joint | amphi, yeah, |
| 21:32.50 | sigtau | Running the latest debian server distro, which seems to have come without a copy of ifconfig |
| 21:32.51 | stew | JGuzman: you'd have to tell it which output and what resolution you want to run |
| 21:32.56 | sigtau | How do I check the local IP address of the server? |
| 21:33.05 | stew | sigtau: try "/sbin/ifconfig" |
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| 21:33.30 | sigtau | ah. |
| 21:33.31 | Joint | amphi, any ideas, on how to fix this error, well not error, but from keeping my laptop to overhead. |
| 21:33.33 | amphi | Joint: how do you know? ;) cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor to be sure |
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| 21:33.49 | JGuzman | ok, |
| 21:33.52 | JGuzman | now it works |
| 21:33.52 | sigtau | stew: worked, thanks. I wonder why it didn't simply work when I typed 'ifconfig,' rather than having to explicitly declare the path ifconfig was in. |
| 21:34.03 | JGuzman | 2 monitos with 2 resolutions |
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| 21:34.15 | jonkri | my debian installation seems to have hanged at 5% in "select and install software", but switching terminals work... is there a way to break the operation and go to the installation menu? |
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| 21:34.23 | amphi | Joint: does it overheat when idling also? |
| 21:34.24 | stew | sigtau: becuase normal users don't have /sbin /usr/sbin /usr/local/sbin in their path by default, as those are supposed to contain superuser commands |
| 21:34.29 | Joint | amphi, ondemand |
| 21:34.38 | sigtau | alright, thanks. |
| 21:34.49 | amphi | Joint: good-oh, nice to be sure |
| 21:35.02 | Joint | amphi, yes, and cause of the overheat, my laptop battery dies. with in 20 or 25 min the most |
| 21:35.03 | stew | sigtau: the ip command which should hopefully eventually replace ifconfig is in /bin |
| 21:35.08 | breardo | Hey theres some meat on that bone.. add some broth, an onion, and some carrots..and baby, you got yourself a stew goin! |
| 21:35.10 | amphi | Joint: does top show anything using much cpu? |
| 21:35.11 | stew | sigtau: so "ip a" for instance... |
| 21:35.25 | stew | wrong channel carl, you want #debian-offtopic |
| 21:35.32 | breardo | doh :) |
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| 21:35.39 | Joint | amphi, Cpu(s): 7.6%us, 2.6%sy, 0.0%ni, 89.4%id, 0.0%wa, 0.3%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| 21:35.46 | JGuzman | stew: thanks a lot for your help |
| 21:35.55 | amphi | Joint: and it's hot now? |
| 21:35.56 | JGuzman | I will try to figure out what's wrong |
| 21:35.57 | stew | JGuzman: did you fix it? |
| 21:36.05 | Joint | yeah |
| 21:36.09 | stew | JGuzman: do you want to tell me what xrandr command didn't work? |
| 21:36.17 | amphi | Joint: how hot? acpi -t |
| 21:36.18 | Joint | amphi, it is i can smell the odd smell coming out from the laptop, |
| 21:36.30 | Joint | Thermal 0: ok, 73.0 degrees C |
| 21:36.30 | Joint | Thermal 1: ok, 73.0 degrees C |
| 21:36.35 | JGuzman | stew, xrandr worked perfectly! :P |
| 21:36.59 | JGuzman | now I will try to get the screenshots in the monitor with lower resolution |
| 21:37.04 | amphi | Joint: that is damn hot for idling; mine will go a bit over that under load |
| 21:37.06 | JGuzman | and see if LaTeX shows it |
| 21:37.09 | JGuzman | propertly |
| 21:37.10 | amphi | Joint: is the fan on? |
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| 21:37.17 | Joint | amphi, yes it is |
| 21:37.36 | amphi | Joint: it's not just full of dust, is it? ;) |
| 21:37.43 | Joint | nope is not |
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| 21:38.35 | amphi | Joint: and the cpu is running at a low freq? |
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| 21:38.43 | Joint | and I'm getting sick every time my computer shutdown cause it get's too hot |
| 21:38.49 | Joint | amphi, how can i check that? |
| 21:39.11 | Joint | let me paste it on pastebin amphi |
| 21:39.20 | amphi | Joint: cat /proc/cpuinfo here shows the current freq |
| 21:39.40 | Joint | amphi, http://pastebin.ca/1987554 |
| 21:40.55 | Joint | amphi, you saw it? |
| 21:41.14 | amphi | Joint: one moment - some paging occuring here ;) |
| 21:41.26 | Joint | oh ok sorry |
| 21:41.46 | amphi | that's its lowest freq? |
| 21:41.58 | Joint | don't know. |
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| 21:42.52 | amphi | cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies |
| 21:43.05 | Joint | 2100000 1050000 |
| 21:43.33 | amphi | so, that's a 'yes' |
| 21:43.43 | amphi | are you running compiz? ;) |
| 21:44.30 | breardo | how exactly are feature requests delivered to the debian team? |
| 21:44.41 | breardo | im just wondering if we can ever get an installer that shows which interfaces are 'up' |
| 21:44.52 | breardo | i get a list of six intel gig interfaces.. it askes "which one?" |
| 21:44.54 | breardo | how should I know :) |
| 21:44.56 | breardo | the one thats plugged in! |
| 21:45.10 | amphi | heh |
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| 21:46.08 | Joint | amphi, nope only xfce |
| 21:46.59 | amphi | Joint: did it always do this, or is this a new development? |
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| 21:48.51 | Joint | amphi, just after installing debian\brb |
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| 21:49.55 | mentor | breardo: You probably want to talk to the debian-installer team |
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| 21:55.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell breardo about install report |
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| 21:55.52 | hramrach_ | Hello |
| 21:56.07 | hramrach_ | what is the replacement of python-xml? |
| 21:56.19 | hramrach_ | I don't have one for python 2.6 |
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| 21:57.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | python-libxml2 perhaps? |
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| 21:57.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | or python-lxml? |
| 21:57.46 | breardo | thanks for the info :) |
| 21:57.48 | breardo | i apprecaite it |
| 21:58.32 | hramrach_ | I have python-libxml2 installed but it does not work |
| 21:58.35 | dutchfish | hi, how to reinstall grub2 in the 5th partition of an extended volume (not in MBR) in squeeze? |
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| 22:00.26 | hramrach_ | python-lxml does not work either |
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| 22:00.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, so it's lazing on the sofa, then |
| 22:00.48 | hramrach_ | ImportError: No module named xmlproc |
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| 22:03.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | hramrach_, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=540475 |
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| 22:04.28 | acidslep | when i dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb1 am i copying partition data? or just filesystem data |
| 22:04.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | also |
| 22:04.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | !why is python-xml not in testing |
| 22:04.42 | dpkg | python-xml is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=python-xml |
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| 22:06.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | hramrach_, it's obsolete and hence not in debian anymore from squeeze on. |
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| 22:07.20 | hramrach_ | but packages that use it are :-S |
| 22:07.36 | hramrach_ | Thanks for the info |
| 22:07.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | file a bug against them... |
| 22:08.21 | hramrach_ | filed but the other issue is to get stuff working |
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| 22:09.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | like this, I guess... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=570066 |
| 22:09.40 | amee2k | wtf. debian 5 doesn't have drivers for etherlink 3 series network cards?! |
| 22:10.00 | hramrach_ | fortunately python is dynamic enough to work when a different option to use different file format is used it seems |
| 22:10.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | amee2k, get a newer kernel from backports? |
| 22:10.22 | amee2k | very funny |
| 22:10.26 | hramrach_ | amee2k: you mean the ISA cards? They are no longer autodetected but still sort of work |
| 22:10.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you're the joker |
| 22:10.36 | amee2k | i'd need it on the netinst, and its the PCMCIA card version of it |
| 22:11.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, it's too old? |
| 22:11.14 | amee2k | i think late 90s or so |
| 22:11.25 | amee2k | the 3.1 netinst detects it just fine |
| 22:11.35 | hramrach_ | amee2k: you may try to configure the card manually if the module is included in the installer |
| 22:11.44 | amee2k | but apparently 3.1 can't cope with not having USB in the system |
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| 22:12.09 | amee2k | 5 doesn't like the network card... now trying my version 4 cd |
| 22:12.17 | hramrach_ | yes, the autodetection fails with recent debian, even somewhat dated debian |
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| 22:13.49 | amee2k | hm... nope, version 4 doesn't detect it either |
| 22:14.11 | amee2k | how do i do the manual configuration thing? |
| 22:14.21 | hramrach_ | I expected it. That's probably where I found the detection broken but I had an ISA card |
| 22:14.45 | hramrach_ | amee2k: just try to load the module, it may work |
| 22:15.07 | amee2k | hmmm lemme reboot the 3.1 netinst to see which one it uses for the card |
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| 22:15.28 | hramrach_ | or load all modules and one may work if you don't know which one |
| 22:16.07 | amee2k | mmmh sure that works? |
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| 22:16.08 | hramrach_ | the 3.1 may use the separate pcmcia modules still and those would be different |
| 22:16.12 | amee2k | i've only got 32MB ram |
| 22:16.31 | hramrach_ | they aren't that large |
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| 22:16.51 | hramrach_ | of course you need only the ones in net/ |
| 22:17.03 | hramrach_ | probably net/pcmcia |
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| 22:18.57 | hramrach_ | amee2k: you can also enable swap from the disk |
| 22:19.35 | amee2k | the 3.1 wants to load 3C589_cs for it |
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| 22:21.27 | hramrach_ | it's still in 2.6.34 so it should work |
| 22:21.45 | hramrach_ | also the number should be written on the card |
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| 22:22.11 | amee2k | hmmm imma try the debian-installer/probe/usb=flase option with the deb4 netinst again |
| 22:22.15 | amee2k | maybe it works this time |
| 22:22.48 | hramrach_ | any reason not to use debian 5? |
| 22:22.49 | amee2k | the 3.1 doesn't seem to care about it. debootstrap threw a different error message, but still choked on something in /proc/bus/usb or so |
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| 22:23.28 | amee2k | mild concerns about resources |
| 22:23.39 | amee2k | its a thinkpad 310ED |
| 22:23.40 | hramrach_ | I did not try it on a system with 32mb ram yet ;-) |
| 22:23.52 | amee2k | with the dead HDD replaced by two 128MB CF cards |
| 22:24.23 | amee2k | it boots into low memory mode, but otherwise seems to work fine (unlike hiren's boot cds) |
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| 22:28.48 | amee2k | cool, it works :) |
| 22:28.53 | amee2k | hramrach_: thanks :) |
| 22:29.10 | amee2k | not it only needs to be able to cope with not having usb in the system |
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| 22:29.58 | hramrach_ | is that that much of a problem? I think I have a few USB-free systems |
| 22:30.10 | amee2k | hehe |
| 22:30.19 | amee2k | well, the 3.1 netinst seems to choke on it |
| 22:30.52 | hramrach_ | that's odd. Back then USB was not that widespread |
| 22:31.21 | amee2k | it failed to mount /dev/shm and /dev/pts properly, but continued anyway |
| 22:31.48 | amee2k | later it failed with something like /proc/bus/usb: invalid argument |
| 22:32.17 | amee2k | red-screening the installer with a message that debootstrap failed |
| 22:33.15 | hramrach_ | maybe they just removed the 3.1 repos |
| 22:33.41 | amee2k | i don't think so. it happened at the end of the install base system step |
| 22:34.14 | amee2k | other than configuring the NIC it shouldn't be using the network at all yet |
| 22:34.22 | amee2k | i didn't even get to configure the repos |
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| 22:35.00 | hramrach_ | why do you bother with the card not being detected then? |
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| 22:35.26 | hramrach_ | I had to install from floppies so it was an issue then |
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| 22:35.39 | amee2k | i want to have it in the final system, and its the easiest if i can install it during setup |
| 22:35.50 | amee2k | and maybe i'll need to install some stuff from the net for it |
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| 22:38.38 | ash130 | anyone had luck connecting windows 7 to samba domain v3.5.6 |
| 22:38.45 | ash130 | i have already tried the reg hacks |
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| 22:39.48 | hramrach_ | which Win7 variant? |
| 22:40.53 | ash130 | just a sec |
| 22:40.55 | ash130 | it is a new pc |
| 22:41.37 | ash130 | win7 pro |
| 22:42.18 | hramrach_ | then it should be possible but I did not really connect any win7 to any domain so far |
| 22:42.54 | huggy_72 | /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 22:43.16 | ash130 | anyone else had success? |
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| 22:55.02 | chicognu | how to use git ? |
| 22:55.25 | robokop | alias git=svn |
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| 22:55.36 | robokop | dunno really sorry |
| 22:55.51 | chicognu | robokop, here http://intellinuxgraphics.org/download.html |
| 22:56.01 | chicognu | robokop, that git, how to download it |
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| 22:56.50 | robokop | git clone |
| 22:56.53 | Number6 | Tried to install gedit.deb from squeeze on lenny via dpkg, and now I can't remove gedit due to python... Any sugestions? |
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| 22:57.48 | chicognu | robokop, like that chicognu@debian:~/xdriver$ git-clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel |
| 22:57.48 | chicognu | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.00 | robokop | chicognu: yes |
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| 22:58.28 | robokop | will create a subdir xf86-video-intel with the data |
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| 22:58.29 | chicognu | robokop, what is in fact that ~git~ thing ? |
| 22:58.46 | robokop | git is a version control system |
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| 23:01.54 | amphi | chicognu: why are you trying to build the intel driver? |
| 23:02.31 | chicognu | amphi, cuz my driver is not support by lenny |
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| 23:03.14 | amphi | chicognu: what makes you think that version of the driver will work with your version of X and so on? |
| 23:03.25 | chicognu | amphi, nothing |
| 23:03.58 | chicognu | amphi, but if needed I compile the entire X |
| 23:04.09 | amphi | chicognu: you might be better off to update to squeeze, perhaps, if you have hw that's too new for lenny |
| 23:04.36 | amphi | chicognu: have you compiled the entire X before? |
| 23:05.11 | chicognu | amphi, you are the 293849384 person, only today, to tell me that is better install squeeze |
| 23:05.15 | amee2k | mmmh, this sucks. 4.0 netinst freezes :( |
| 23:05.21 | amphi | *shrug* |
| 23:05.39 | chicognu | amphi, never, no ideia if it is dificult or just some ./configure make make install |
| 23:05.49 | robokop | chicognu: that probably has a reason don't you think |
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| 23:06.04 | chicognu | robokop, no |
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| 23:06.38 | amphi | chicognu: it will be an educational experience, in any case |
| 23:06.50 | amphi | good luck |
| 23:06.57 | robokop | educational and tiresome |
| 23:07.23 | chicognu | robokop, ways has a reason, of course, but not a always a good reason ? |
| 23:07.24 | amphi | but such fun to maintain ;) |
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| 23:07.59 | neil_d | on my SBC I have mdadm running... it starts up the daemon at S25.. but it doesn't run the auto-assemble script :( ... when should this be done ? S26 ? |
| 23:08.01 | robokop | for me it stops at building my own kernel |
| 23:08.06 | amphi | chicognu: are you going to remove the X that is in lenny before doing this? |
| 23:08.22 | chicognu | amphi, do you think that driver will not work with my atual Xorg version ? |
| 23:08.26 | chicognu | amphi, no ideia |
| 23:09.07 | amphi | chicognu: does it not say what its requirements are on the intel site? |
| 23:09.38 | amphi | chicognu: it should say that it needs xorg version >= foo |
| 23:10.44 | robokop | dpkg: xorg |
| 23:10.44 | dpkg | X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.5. To install, ask me about <install x>. Ask me about <drxx> to reconfigure. To remove, ask about <remove x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQ #xorg on irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:10.44 | amphi | chicognu: BTW, why have you rejected the idea of upgrading to squeeze? |
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| 23:10.52 | robokop | judd: xorg |
| 23:10.52 | judd | (xorg <pciid> [--release <release name>]) -- Output the name of the xorg driver (if any) that would claim the device, optionally restricted to the specified release. The pciid should be of the form 0000:0000. [ and ] are permitted around the pciid, but Supybot will try to act on those as nested commands unless they are enclosed in double quotes, e.g "[0000:0000]". |
| 23:11.22 | robokop | blegh, what was the trigger for seeing versions of packages |
| 23:11.36 | amphi | judd: versions xorg |
| 23:11.37 | judd | Package xorg on i386 -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19; lenny: 1:7.3+20; squeeze: 1:7.5+7; sid: 1:7.5+8; experimental: 1:7.6~2 |
| 23:12.01 | peterrooney | , xorg |
| 23:12.03 | judd | (xorg <pciid> [--release <release name>]) -- Output the name of the xorg driver (if any) that would claim the device, optionally restricted to the specified release. The pciid should be of the form 0000:0000. [ and ] are permitted around the pciid, but Supybot will try to act on those as nested commands unless they are enclosed in double quotes, e.g "[0000:0000]". |
| 23:12.18 | chicognu | amphi, I just download the six packs dvds, if I need to download anyother version of debian, for sure I will use ubuntu, and not debian |
| 23:12.39 | robokop | why have you downloaded 6 dvds |
| 23:12.44 | amphi | chicognu: why not just use the netinstall iso, which is ~130MB if I recall correctly |
| 23:12.48 | amphi | ? |
| 23:13.03 | amphi | no wonder the damn tubes are clogged |
| 23:13.06 | chicognu | again, you are the 928392 person today to say that |
| 23:13.09 | robokop | and you can upgrade from lenny to squeeze without reinstalling |
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| 23:13.36 | chicognu | serious ? that is a new to me (no it is not) |
| 23:13.37 | chicognu | :P |
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| 23:13.59 | amphi | chicognu: ok, enjoy |
| 23:14.09 | robokop | chicognu: the more i hear you talk the more i am convinced that compiling your own drivers isn't a viable option for you |
| 23:14.24 | robokop | chicognu: i don't say this to be harsh, but to warn you |
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| 23:17.21 | chicognu | robokop, why do you think that compile a driver will be dificult ? |
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| 23:18.41 | yagoo | chicognu, because you're already lost before knowing how to compile/debug/install it. Compiling it is not a straightforward process. |
| 23:18.42 | robokop | the entire X stack is quite complicated and a lot can go wrong along the way, and i get the feeling you aren't very experienced in compiling your own software |
| 23:19.26 | chicognu | robokop, and you think it is not a viable option to me just because I hate net install, and think that apt-get some times sux a lot, and it is not a trusted way to upgrade between versions ? |
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| 23:20.09 | yagoo | chicognu, it's not only robokop that thinks compiling is not a viable option for you.. but seeing you say you download 6 debian dvd's tells enough to me. |
| 23:21.00 | robokop | you show a lot of ignorance, so that leads me to believe that you wouldn't be able to pull the trick without a lot of handholding |
| 23:21.03 | chicognu | yagoo, that opinion makes me laugh |
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| 23:21.08 | chicognu | out load |
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| 23:21.27 | yagoo | <chicognu> amphi, I just download the six packs dvds, if I need to download anyother version of debian, for sure I will use ubuntu, and not debian |
| 23:21.33 | yagoo | " " |
| 23:21.40 | yagoo | -_- doesn't like that |
| 23:22.07 | robokop | and we already told you about a good alternative and we are here doing this for free so perhaps we are not looking forward to hold your hand in the compile progress |
| 23:22.21 | yagoo | good way not to get any help in here. I won't with that kind of rudeness. |
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| 23:22.39 | amphi | chicognu: why are you talking in here, instead of building the driver, if you have nothing but contempt for what people here tell you? |
| 23:23.20 | amphi | robokop: such hand-holding would be off-topic, so don't worry ;) |
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| 23:26.32 | chicognu | amphi, Who told you I don`t care for what persons tell to me ? I care, and ALOT, and I`m glad and thak full that some people helps me, in special in this morning, but I think some ideas just not quite smart. Like use apt-get to upgrade a distro, or that some one should only download the first Cd or the first dvd. In my case I strong need at least the first, second, and six (update) dvd |
| 23:26.50 | chicognu | and in time |
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| 23:27.44 | karsten-nr | Anyone else seeing KDE apps not have functioning menu bars? I'm using kontact in WindowMaker. Menus periodically refuse to work. |
| 23:28.08 | amphi | chicognu: ok, you know best |
| 23:28.19 | robokop | /ignore chicognu |
| 23:28.21 | yagoo | amphi, notcha |
| 23:28.38 | yagoo | I got get me some donuts and take out the garbage |
| 23:28.39 | amphi | yagoo: eh? |
| 23:28.44 | karsten-nr | And that's under testing/squeeze. |
| 23:28.44 | abrotman | chicognu: you are wrong |
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| 23:29.14 | chicognu | robokop, before use debian, I use gentoo and slackware, and if there is a thing that I don`t know about it is to apt stuff... If i`am not success in compile the module it will because a incompatibility between my atual X version and that special module |
| 23:29.23 | yagoo | amphi, Only the best have a best nose into themselves. They care more about what they care-say than care take. |
| 23:29.32 | yagoo | amphi, i share your point :) |
| 23:29.42 | amphi | ah |
| 23:30.36 | amphi | chicognu: if you are going to use debian, you should learn to use the package management tools |
| 23:30.48 | chicognu | abrotman, Im not man, you like debian and defend it, and apt-get can be a great in dependence manager, but some times it fail |
| 23:31.30 | abrotman | chicognu: how long have you been using Linux? |
| 23:31.36 | Xanbreon | if you try and build a brand new intel driver with the old xorg in lenny you will probs fail |
| 23:31.38 | amphi | misses mwilson |
| 23:32.01 | abrotman | amphi: Shut up, you have no idea what you're talking about, obviously the floppy drive was created to read CD-ROMs |
| 23:32.39 | karsten-nr | abrotman: I thought the floppy was created to read punch tape. |
| 23:32.41 | amphi | wtf does that have to do with it? apart from nothing, of course |
| 23:32.54 | Xanbreon | Would help if floppy drives read CD-ROMS, i have tons of working FDD's but only 1 iffy DVDROM drive :( |
| 23:33.09 | chicognu | abrotman, just to show a concret case. yesterday after download some updates, and install some programs apt-get return me `those packages are automated installed, and are no longer required use apt-get autoremove to remove them` ... I did so and gnome goes way ... |
| 23:33.16 | abrotman | karsten-nr: you moron, go read the docs! |
| 23:33.32 | abrotman | chicognu: then you did it wrong .. it wasn't the tool that failed, it was the user |
| 23:33.43 | karsten-nr | abrotman: I need to learn braille first. |
| 23:33.43 | chicognu | abrotman, how ?? |
| 23:33.56 | Xanbreon | PBKC |
| 23:34.11 | amphi | gives Xanbreon some vowels |
| 23:34.30 | Xanbreon | looks at said vowels in puzzlement |
| 23:34.33 | chicognu | If the tool say to I run apt-get autoremove because there is packages that are not need anymore, and I did it, and It removes gnome ? |
| 23:34.49 | amphi | gnome is never needed |
| 23:34.55 | amphi | hides |
| 23:35.03 | chicognu | abrotman, there is at least 6 years I use linux |
| 23:35.16 | Xanbreon | if it says there not needed, it means nothing depends on them.. |
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| 23:35.34 | Xanbreon | man apt-get or man aptitude |
| 23:35.59 | robokop | chicognu: what Xanbreon said and you didn't manually installed gnome but something that depends on gnome |
| 23:36.19 | chicognu | Xanbreon, yes, is it what it says, but when I execute apt-get autoremove it remove my gnome. WHY ? |
| 23:36.19 | Xanbreon | you probs broke the bloated (imo, ymmv) gnome meta packages |
| 23:36.26 | robokop | if you removed that then apt doesn't know you wanted gnome |
| 23:36.31 | Xanbreon | chicognu: Cos thats what you asked it todo!!! |
| 23:36.52 | chicognu | Xanbreon, sure, and WHY gnome are not more need ? |
| 23:37.17 | Xanbreon | Not needed == nothing depends on (and when something is auto installed, when nothing depends on it, it gets removed) |
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| 23:38.26 | iluminator101 | hey guys, does debian squeeze support btrfs? |
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| 23:39.10 | roe | I'm trying to configure ldaps using OpenLDAP, I have added the following: http://pastebin.com/XUdc1CBE |
| 23:39.25 | roe | it seems that debian does things a bit differently than the standard package |
| 23:39.34 | yagoo | amphi, oh mwilson.. i remember that guy. hehehee.. I wish someone should just tell someone who never listens: "You are wrong.". hehehe |
| 23:39.48 | chicognu | there is any atheist here to I talk about Jesus, or so ? It will be more easy to convice they :) |
| 23:40.17 | Xanbreon | apt is doing what its supposed to, your just using it wrong >> |
| 23:40.23 | abrotman | chicognu: wrong channel, not funny |
| 23:40.30 | chicognu | abrotman, a lot funny |
| 23:40.36 | abrotman | chicognu: NOT FUNNY |
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| 23:40.44 | iluminator101 | hey guys, does debian squeeze support btrfs? |
| 23:40.48 | abrotman | chicognu: if you don't understand how your tool works, don't blame the tool .. go read the documentation |
| 23:40.59 | yagoo | abrotman, i took two breaks and the only thing i see coming from that guy is negativitty |
| 23:41.04 | abrotman | iluminator101: it seems to |
| 23:41.59 | iluminator101 | is it in the installer, i dont have go back in to install a btrfs partition? |
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| 23:42.07 | Xanbreon | support should be in the .32 kernel, not sure if everything else would support using it as the root or boot partition |
| 23:42.25 | abrotman | iluminator101: it's a module .. |
| 23:42.26 | yagoo | iluminator101, well btrfs is gpl licensed so likely it's usable |
| 23:42.40 | roe | if you're interested in using btrs I would probably stick with sid |
| 23:42.40 | abrotman | iluminator101: but the installer may not support it .. yet |
| 23:42.50 | abrotman | roe: sid has the same kernel .. nice try |
| 23:42.56 | roe | for the moment |
| 23:43.00 | abrotman | and still doesn't address the installer |
| 23:43.30 | Xanbreon | btrfs is a fast moving target so you would probs want a newer kernel |
| 23:43.45 | abrotman | you're still not addressing his issue ... |
| 23:43.55 | abrotman | way to go ... you said the same thing as the other guy that wasn't helpful |
| 23:44.00 | Xanbreon | errh |
| 23:44.20 | roe | oh, he's asking about the installer? |
| 23:44.21 | karsten-nr | So, sort of sorted my KDE menus issue. |
| 23:44.29 | karsten-nr | Dual-head, squeeze/testing. |
| 23:44.33 | chicognu | Ok, I`m sorry folks. apt-get is a fail proof packager manager. I`m sorry to arguing about that, It solves all dependences of packages in official repository :) Amem |
| 23:44.38 | Xanbreon | Also: pretty sure everything else doesnt support using it as / or /boot yet |
| 23:44.39 | Xanbreon | !! |
| 23:44.39 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 23:44.44 | karsten-nr | LVDS1 (onboard) and VGA1 displays, configured via xrandr. |
| 23:44.55 | Xanbreon | least not the versions in squeeze |
| 23:45.19 | karsten-nr | Application window menus do NOT appear for apps which are displayed on LVDS1 (laptop screen). They first appear at top fo screen on VGA1, then within the app window. |
| 23:45.28 | abrotman | llimeht: you left me alone! |
| 23:45.41 | karsten-nr | This is prety reproduceable. |
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| 23:47.31 | JyZyXEL | http://pastebin.com/hR4pD5Sx why doesn't this work on lenny? |
| 23:47.52 | JyZyXEL | the remove event doesn't trigger |
| 23:47.56 | amphi | karsten-nr: qt menus appear on the wrong monitor initially? |
| 23:48.06 | JyZyXEL | is it a known bug? |
| 23:48.07 | karsten-nr | amphi: No, not at all. |
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| 23:51.46 | he2 | which archive-programm should iuse? |
| 23:51.49 | yagoo | JyZyXEL, weren't you jygzy? |
| 23:52.12 | he2 | and i'm searchin' a nice lightwight file manager for xfce |
| 23:52.24 | he2 | with tab-function |
| 23:52.33 | JyZyXEL | i can't find a bug report for it tho |
| 23:53.04 | Xanbreon | he2: try pcmanfm |
| 23:53.19 | dsirijus | um, setting /etc/default/locale LANG to a locale -a listed locale doesn't do anything even after reboot... all outs of locales still print either "POSIX" or nothing (for LANG and LC_ALL) |
| 23:53.27 | dsirijus | setting it through bashrc does do it, though |
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| 23:57.59 | abrotman | he2: which WM/DE do you use? |
| 23:58.30 | robokop | abrotman: he said a file manager for xfce |
| 23:58.43 | abrotman | oh missed that second line |
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