| 00:00.09 | jpinx-eeepc | !vst |
| 00:00.13 | JackWinter | themill: thanks |
| 00:00.15 | crouton | excellent. thanks themill. |
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| 00:00.34 | jpinx-eeepc | fismoll8: look in dmm |
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| 00:00.50 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell fismoll8 about dmm |
| 00:00.50 | fismoll8 | JackWinter: wow kxstudio looks nice |
| 00:01.17 | arif_ali | My preseed file is listed here http://pastebin.com/XRC3N1BS |
| 00:01.20 | JackWinter | fismoll8: ever try reaper in wine? |
| 00:01.39 | fismoll8 | JackWinter: if I have to use wine, it defeats the purpose of switching over from macosx |
| 00:02.16 | TheOnlyJoey | fismoll8: what do you need? i am a professional studio owner and use a lot of OSS |
| 00:02.42 | JackWinter | fismoll8: that's true :) just that you mentioned running vsts, is all. i am happy as a pig with reaper and my vsts |
| 00:03.08 | fismoll8 | TheOnlyJoey: excellent! I currently use Logic Pro as my DAW, with the Omnisphere and Native Instruments samplers as plugins |
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| 00:03.20 | fismoll8 | JackWinter: very interesting---and things work fine in wine? |
| 00:03.31 | fismoll8 | JackWinter: no latency dropoff? |
| 00:03.47 | TheOnlyJoey | fismoll8: i am a Logic Pro user myself :D the only reason for me to still use propritary software |
| 00:04.09 | fismoll8 | TheOnlyJoey: sigh...I agree |
| 00:04.27 | fismoll8 | TheOnlyJoey: so I take it you dual boot then |
| 00:04.28 | TheOnlyJoey | fismoll8: if you want to do audio recording, use Ardour, for midi i suggest Rosegarden |
| 00:04.45 | fismoll8 | TheOnlyJoey: and you're using debian to run ARdour and Rosegarden? |
| 00:05.06 | TheOnlyJoey | fismoll8: My mac pro is a pure Logic Studio system, i have a serperate system for my OSS work |
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| 00:05.28 | TheOnlyJoey | fismoll8: Jups Debian Sid, although i also quite like Ubuntu Studio |
| 00:05.32 | JackWinter | i have some patches. wine-rt, kernel-bfs and wineasio. at the moment i'm running 8 tracks or so, and one record enabled and monitoring at 64 samples latency, with an ampegsvx ampsim and some reverbs/eq/compressors. can run for hours without an xrun |
| 00:05.46 | fismoll8 | TheOnlyJoey: and how do you backup both systems? Rsync scripts? |
| 00:06.12 | fismoll8 | TheOnlyJoey: my concern with a dual boot or two separate systems is the extra work it will take to maintain and backup both systems |
| 00:06.24 | TheOnlyJoey | fismoll8: i backup manual, but you could use rsync indeed |
| 00:06.45 | TheOnlyJoey | fismoll8: there are a lot of gui tools that use rsync that might be interesting |
| 00:06.55 | TheOnlyJoey | fismoll8: a webdav is also a option |
| 00:07.23 | JackWinter | fismoll8: but you need a quad core or so to be happy |
| 00:07.46 | TheOnlyJoey | JackWinter: i find that reaper is not that stable on wine when using a lot of vst's |
| 00:07.59 | TheOnlyJoey | JackWinter: lot of graphical issues with plugins and such |
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| 00:09.02 | TheOnlyJoey | fismoll8: to be honest, for me personally there is no reason to get away from macosx, since it just works and is unix based, the only problem is price |
| 00:09.10 | JackWinter | TheOnlyJoey: hmm, i don't use all that many, mainly superior drummer and ampeg/amplitube, and some schwa/sstillwell plugins. they all seem to work as advertised |
| 00:09.27 | JackWinter | have tried cracked NI too and they all worked |
| 00:09.59 | TheOnlyJoey | JackWinter: i had a lot of problems with NI personaly |
| 00:10.18 | fismoll8 | JackWinter: I require stability as well: can't have my rig crashing on me at a gig |
| 00:10.21 | JackWinter | well, those i only tried briefly |
| 00:10.41 | fismoll8 | I'm at the university, so updates of macosx and software cost me nada |
| 00:10.54 | fismoll8 | only money I spent was on omnisphere and logic |
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| 00:11.13 | fismoll8 | omnisphere is completely worth it...blows Native Instruments out of the water |
| 00:11.16 | JackWinter | fismoll8: my system doesn't crash or blow up, at least for what i do with the plugs i use. but probably better to use osx in that case |
| 00:11.48 | fismoll8 | TheOnlyJoey: what samplers do you use |
| 00:11.49 | TheOnlyJoey | fismoll8: hmm i am not a fan of omnisphere myself, sound to... digital |
| 00:12.12 | TheOnlyJoey | fismoll8: EWQL is my preferred library's :) |
| 00:12.22 | fismoll8 | TheOnlyJoey: I use east west symphonic sounds myself |
| 00:12.34 | TheOnlyJoey | fismoll8: yeah works great :) |
| 00:12.35 | fismoll8 | TheOnlyJoey: more for classical work |
| 00:12.57 | fismoll8 | TheOnlyJoey: omnisphere's choral patches are amazing though |
| 00:13.10 | TheOnlyJoey | fismoll8: i do a lot of classical, metal, dnb and hip hop in producing (and record and write about everything) |
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| 00:13.25 | TheOnlyJoey | fismoll8: hmm i love voices of passion for choir :) |
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| 00:14.29 | fismoll8 | TheOnlyJoey: i've heard good things about that |
| 00:14.51 | fismoll8 | the word builder is also quite convenient |
| 00:15.14 | TheOnlyJoey | yeah indeed :) |
| 00:15.39 | TheOnlyJoey | do you do proffesional work or just as a hobby? |
| 00:16.28 | fismoll8 | TheOnlyJoey: I like to think of myself as a professional--don't make any money off it though. Currently a grad student in math, but try to find the time for music |
| 00:16.42 | fismoll8 | TheOnlyJoey: you do music full time? |
| 00:17.36 | TheOnlyJoey | fismoll8: i try to, am a owner of a studio in the netherlands for over a year, but hard competition and such |
| 00:18.06 | TheOnlyJoey | fismoll8: hmm mabe better to talk further in private instead of flooding the debian channel? :P |
| 00:18.15 | fismoll8 | sure |
| 00:18.28 | JackWinter | if you guys use samples, you should check out: http://tuxical.blogspot.com/ he runs an entire symphonic orchestra in the box with linux sampler |
| 00:19.21 | TheOnlyJoey | will look into it, sounds interesting |
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| 00:21.56 | JackWinter | ok, bye for now |
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| 00:26.13 | enyawix | what happen to the command line tools to configure xorg? the debian tool never ask any resalution question? |
| 00:26.21 | enyawix | what happen to the command line tools to configure xorg? the debian tool never ask any resolution question? |
| 00:27.17 | karlpinc | enyawix: I think it moved into "X --configure". |
| 00:27.33 | karlpinc | enyawix: In most cases X autoconfigures now. |
| 00:28.37 | enyawix | my screen can not be auto detected |
| 00:30.24 | enyawix | so i must more to a old version of linux? |
| 00:30.44 | enyawix | i know the mode i need |
| 00:31.37 | TheOnlyJoey | enyawix: you can create a manual xorg and use it, there is documentation about that on the wiki |
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| 00:32.57 | karlpinc | themill: /msg dpkg when will squeeze release =~ s/about <squeeze bet>./about <squeeze bet>, <guess the release date>./ |
| 00:33.06 | karlpinc | oops |
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| 00:35.40 | enyawix | TheOnlyJoey /etc/X11 xorg.conf is missing from the system it must be all auto |
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| 00:36.01 | enyawix | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.05 | TheOnlyJoey | enyawix: there is a new way of creating a manual one |
| 00:36.09 | enyawix | is missing |
| 00:36.19 | enyawix | new? |
| 00:36.35 | enyawix | url? |
| 00:36.51 | enyawix | i would like to read about this |
| 00:37.24 | TheOnlyJoey | i think it is in the manpage of xorg.conf |
| 00:38.07 | karlpinc | enyawix: I thought it was "X --configure" that made them. Could be entirely wrong, I've never done it the new way. |
| 00:40.42 | enyawix | i will build a vm and test |
| 00:41.04 | enyawix | do not want to damage real hardware |
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| 00:45.19 | jaggz- | my kde input action uses this as the keyboard input setting, but both slashes are output before the ctrl-v goes through: Ctrl+L:w:w:w:.:m:y:s:i:t:e:.:c:o:m:/:Ctrl+V:/ |
| 00:45.57 | jaggz- | it's as if the insert (^V) is too slow, so the / goes through and THEN the inserted text from the clipboard is .. transferred |
| 00:47.08 | karlpinc | enyawix: It's not as if you can't delete an xorg.conf without X. |
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| 00:48.45 | enyawix | thanks off to test |
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| 00:52.36 | roe | I am trying to use the spell command but I keep getting: spell: blah: stat error: No such file or directory |
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| 01:02.12 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 01:02.19 | lenswipe | im looking to impose home directory quotas |
| 01:02.23 | lenswipe | how do i go about it> |
| 01:03.19 | simonrvn | fgi |
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| 01:03.42 | lenswipe | simonrvn, ive been fing ging i for the past 15 mins |
| 01:03.44 | lenswipe | no results :p |
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| 01:04.43 | simonrvn | i bet i could find something in under that |
| 01:05.11 | lenswipe | i think i found somethuing |
| 01:05.17 | lenswipe | ill get back to you if i have any drama with it |
| 01:05.21 | lenswipe | no doubt i will do :p |
| 01:05.40 | simonrvn | http://souptonuts.sourceforge.net/quota_tutorial.html http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/directory-quota-601140/ http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialQuotas.html |
| 01:06.21 | simonrvn | just to prove the point. now start reading you |
| 01:06.30 | simonrvn | !lart lenswipe |
| 01:06.30 | dpkg | gives lenswipe a good seeing to |
| 01:08.28 | lenswipe | lmao |
| 01:08.37 | lenswipe | simonrvn, are you anything to do with BOFH? |
| 01:08.54 | lenswipe | simonrvn, i find someone named simon thats into "lart" interesting |
| 01:09.20 | lenswipe | what does it stand for again? |
| 01:09.28 | lenswipe | luser administration ............................................... |
| 01:09.53 | simonrvn | luser attitude readjustment tool. no i don't. |
| 01:11.39 | lenswipe | thats it :p |
| 01:11.52 | lenswipe | aka electric cattle prod |
| 01:12.00 | lenswipe | me and my friend love BOFH |
| 01:13.23 | vsmatck | hzmzmz. What's a good twitter client for debian? I don't want to send messages only receive them and have something interrupt me. I don't want to have to poll anything. |
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| 01:13.55 | simonrvn | there's a few cli ones |
| 01:14.10 | jpinx-eeepc | vsmatck: for reading I use screen-irssi-bitlbee |
| 01:15.48 | vsmatck | jpinx-eeepc: ooh! intersting. I'm doing screen-finch right now. That may work for me. Thanks man. |
| 01:16.53 | crazygir | suggests you both take a look at tmux |
| 01:17.03 | crazygir | screen is a waste of time |
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| 01:18.15 | vsmatck | I'd never heard of tmux before. I'll google for a comparison between it, and screen. |
| 01:18.51 | jordanm | crazygir: just because one particular application might have a better feature set than another, doesn't make it a "waste of time" |
| 01:18.55 | crazygir | all you need to do, is compare their configurations |
| 01:19.06 | crazygir | jordanm: oh no, that is not a feature set thing |
| 01:19.34 | stew | yeah, i had a huge tmux configuation and still wasn't has happy as with screen with a couple of lines of configuration |
| 01:19.54 | crazygir | that statement was shared purely out of the care for your time |
| 01:20.08 | crazygir | if you want to change something in screen, good luck to you |
| 01:20.09 | jordanm | I have used screen for a couple years now, never configured anything |
| 01:20.25 | vsmatck | I always just turn off the help message. heh. |
| 01:20.31 | crazygir | then you aren't leveraging much of it's power :) |
| 01:20.48 | simonrvn | been using screen for i don't know how long, and have several configs i use for different purposes |
| 01:20.49 | crazygir | check out tmux, I imagine you'll never look back |
| 01:20.52 | stew | i did |
| 01:20.56 | stew | i'm happy to be back |
| 01:21.07 | crazygir | heh |
| 01:21.14 | crazygir | to each an d to his own |
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| 01:21.26 | crazygir | anyway.. any splunk userss here? |
| 01:21.27 | stew | if it could do vertical splits, and let me rotate through windows on ONE side of the split, i'd happy spend the time to lear it |
| 01:21.35 | jordanm | crazygir: if I don't know what this "power" is, nor have I ever needed it, why should I care now? |
| 01:22.00 | jordanm | tested splunk once for a previous job |
| 01:22.00 | stew | but the fact that it can't even do the thing that I do now, which is do the same with a horizontal split, means it is missing at least one feature I use from screen |
| 01:22.15 | crazygir | stew: tmux is much younger, make a feature request or share some code |
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| 01:22.28 | crazygir | but yea, that makes sense |
| 01:22.32 | crazygir | give it time :) |
| 01:22.35 | jordanm | crazygir: back to "why", when there is perfercty working how he wants it screen |
| 01:22.48 | crazygir | jordanm: nvm |
| 01:22.50 | jordanm | perhaps not "perfectly"... but you get the point :) |
| 01:22.51 | crazygir | :D |
| 01:22.57 | iluminator101 | how do i add .rar to bunch of files that have r1 r2 r3 and so on |
| 01:23.01 | stew | and now I should write code in order to not waste time by continueing to use screen :) |
| 01:23.05 | crazygir | agin, you haven't tried to configure anything in screen |
| 01:23.11 | stew | ? |
| 01:23.12 | crazygir | that much is clear :) |
| 01:23.26 | crazygir | stew: that was not directed to youse |
| 01:23.28 | crazygir | *you |
| 01:23.32 | jordanm | iluminator101: you just want to add the ".rar" to the names of the files? |
| 01:23.35 | crazygir | anyway.. splunk? |
| 01:23.36 | vsmatck | I'm considering a bitlbee+irssi setup. I'm not totally happy with finch. |
| 01:23.38 | iluminator101 | jordanm, yea |
| 01:23.48 | stew | iluminator101: have you used rar before? |
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| 01:24.00 | stew | oh |
| 01:24.04 | stew | just rename? |
| 01:24.10 | vsmatck | I'll prolly put tmux on the backburner until I figure this stuff out. |
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| 01:24.11 | simonrvn | i do screen, bitlbee, irssi/weechat (currently irssi), znc |
| 01:24.18 | iluminator101 | stew its already rar files |
| 01:24.21 | crazygir | vmwhy wait? |
| 01:24.30 | crazygir | vsmatck: ^ |
| 01:24.51 | stew | iluminator101: "rename -n 's/$/.rar/' listoffiles" the -n does a dry run, remove it if its going to do what you want |
| 01:24.51 | iluminator101 | stew i wanna do it in one single command thats the trick ? |
| 01:24.55 | jordanm | iluminator101: for i in <pattern>; do mv "$i" "$i".rar; done |
| 01:25.39 | jordanm | note rename stew suggested is perfectly fine in debian, but will differ amongst other OS's |
| 01:26.01 | simonrvn | debian's packaged rename is _nice_ |
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| 01:26.26 | jordanm | I am told its not so nice elsewhere though :) |
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| 01:26.51 | vsmatck | hm. I generally do SSH with screen + my IRC. ZNC has a web interface? I'm trying to figure out what ZNC does exactly. |
| 01:27.26 | crazygir | I'm trying to setup splunk, all of which goes fine until its web interface tries to bind to port 80000, any reason why this would not work (the port is open, and I've tried other ports, nothing else is holding the port) |
| 01:27.51 | crazygir | the port is 8000 |
| 01:27.51 | crazygir | no 80k :) |
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| 01:28.03 | jordanm | crazygir: you get an address in use error? |
| 01:28.08 | simonrvn | vsmatck: znc is an irc proxy |
| 01:28.27 | vsmatck | Oh, I think I understand what ZNC does. It's neat but I think similar to what I'm already doing. |
| 01:28.36 | crazygir | jordanm: python errors out in a fuction wait_for_occupied_port |
| 01:28.45 | crazygir | times out rather |
| 01:29.02 | crazygir | but this system is not doing anything else, there is nothing on 8000, and again, I've tried other ports |
| 01:29.13 | jordanm | the other ports work? |
| 01:29.27 | crazygir | nope |
| 01:29.36 | crazygir | netstat -an looks ok too |
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| 01:33.03 | jordanm | crazygir: do you get a full traceback? |
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| 01:33.28 | crazygir | yep |
| 01:33.36 | crazygir | http://dpaste.org/hsH3/ |
| 01:34.27 | jordanm | crazygir: what version of debian? |
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| 01:35.32 | jordanm | crazygir: and there was no error prior to that? |
| 01:35.39 | crazygir | AMD64 (Debian 2.6.26-25lenny1 |
| 01:36.00 | jordanm | crazygir: lenny uses python 2.5, but those appear to be 2.6 modules |
| 01:36.28 | crazygir | innnnteresting |
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| 01:36.45 | crazygir | I'll try apt-get'ing 2.6 |
| 01:36.58 | jordanm | that will trash your system |
| 01:37.21 | jordanm | ,versions python2.6 |
| 01:37.22 | judd | Package python2.6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-3; sid: 2.6.6-6 |
| 01:37.58 | crazygir | O.o |
| 01:38.09 | crazygir | so no 2.6 on lenny? |
| 01:38.45 | jordanm | no.. and that is not common even of proprietary applications, as they typically target RHEL, which latest version is running python 2.4 |
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| 01:40.13 | jordanm | however, I am sure someone out there has figured out how to co-install 2.5 and 2.6 in lenny without trashing the system, as it was once done in testing |
| 01:41.05 | crazygir | jordanm: it appears that splunk just ships with (and probably uses) its own |
| 01:41.33 | crazygir | so I am guessing this is not the issue |
| 01:41.34 | iluminator101 | jordannm mv *.r$ *.r$.rar got an error |
| 01:41.59 | crazygir | what was the error? |
| 01:42.03 | crazygir | that might help a little :) |
| 01:42.03 | jordanm | iluminator101: bash globbing does not use regular expression |
| 01:42.46 | jordanm | "$" would be a literal "$" in that case likely match nothing |
| 01:43.28 | jordanm | also, it sounds like you replace the variable with the pattern... what exactly did you type and what was the error? |
| 01:43.41 | crazygir | not to get off topic, but why can you not run two versions of python side-by-side? |
| 01:43.53 | crazygir | that is part of the point.. is it not? |
| 01:44.26 | jordanm | crazygir: from what I understood, issues with the modules and the way they are byte compiled using debhelper at install time |
| 01:44.46 | jordanm | I imagine the python packaging policy document has some hints |
| 01:44.55 | crazygir | seems nutso to me |
| 01:45.01 | jordanm | it can be done, just not in lenny AFAIK |
| 01:45.16 | crazygir | any other reasons why splunk would not be able to bind to port 8000 on debian? |
| 01:45.23 | jordanm | not root? |
| 01:45.33 | crazygir | yep, running as root |
| 01:45.42 | crazygir | http://www.splunk.com/support/forum:SplunkAdministration/3620 <--- others seem to have had the issue |
| 01:45.46 | iluminator101 | its on my laptop i will be brb |
| 01:46.01 | crazygir | though the same steps don't change anything |
| 01:46.17 | jordanm | crazygir: I would seek upstream support |
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| 01:46.47 | crazygir | trying to, but this is so basic (and I've had splunk running in xubuntu before, for testing) I thought to at least double check here |
| 01:47.11 | crazygir | in case there was an issue with the system specifically, like you described with python |
| 01:47.57 | jordanm | if splunk was in debian, I would probably bug report that |
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| 01:53.16 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 01:53.22 | lenswipe | how do i change the motd for all users? |
| 01:53.25 | lenswipe | the shell motd |
| 01:53.33 | lenswipe | without editing everyone's .bash_login |
| 01:54.16 | qq- | !motd |
| 01:54.16 | dpkg | i heard motd is the Message Of The Day, or /etc/motd. /etc/motd is a symbolic link to /var/run/motd on Debian systems, see motd(5) and motd.tail(5) for further information. Squeeze users, see also Debian bug #541455. |
| 01:54.24 | lenswipe | ty |
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| 02:08.44 | Rug | Howdy all |
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| 02:14.56 | Rug | I have a wierd problem with my firewall (running Lenny). From within the network I can ping world+dog (DNS is resolving everything I throw at it). I cannot hit most web-pages, BUT google works 100%. (gmail, reader, etc..) from within the network I can telnet (80) to any site I want, (get * gives me a 501 error and disconnected). Any suggestions? |
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| 02:15.17 | KB1JWQ | 501's a remote server error. |
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| 02:16.00 | jordanm | does this firewall also include a squid proxy? |
| 02:16.23 | Rug | KB1JWQ: yes I know, I don't know the telnet commands so i guessed at get *, to see what would happen. Ping + Telnet prove that packets are leaving the firewall, but http clients don't work. |
| 02:16.28 | Rug | jordanm: no |
| 02:16.40 | Rug | KB1JWQ: You a ham? |
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| 02:17.15 | abrotman | first time i've seen that insult |
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| 02:17.25 | Rug | abrotman: not an insult |
| 02:17.30 | Rug | HAM operator |
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| 02:17.36 | abrotman | oh .. canned ham! :) |
| 02:17.49 | KB1JWQ | Imagine that. |
| 02:18.06 | Rug | His nick is in the form of most HAM callsigns |
| 02:18.08 | jpinx-eeepc | looks like a truckers nick |
| 02:18.29 | Rug | Rug = VE3RUG |
| 02:21.00 | Rug | Any suggestions about the firewall? I am fresh out of ideas. |
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| 02:25.28 | KB1JWQ | Rug: Describe your failure mode pleaes. |
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| 02:31.13 | Rug | Failure modes? I don't know what you mean. http clients are not working on almost every website I try *except google* |
| 02:33.09 | Rug | I just checked; RDP is working through the firewall too. |
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| 02:55.46 | danols | am I missing something here? I have adduser but no deluser ? |
| 02:56.29 | jhutchins | danols: I suspect you have userdel. |
| 02:56.38 | jhutchins | These things always confuse me. |
| 02:56.58 | danols | that was in there either what? |
| 02:57.01 | danols | this is odd |
| 02:57.17 | jhutchins | One is the tool, one is the wrapper, the syntax are slightly different, the only way t o know is to run one, see what happens, then try the other. |
| 02:57.32 | danols | sorry I tried deluser and userdel |
| 02:57.35 | danols | both not found |
| 02:57.37 | jhutchins | danols: You are root? |
| 02:57.44 | danols | yes |
| 02:58.16 | danols | not mind you I'm using the 'basic' debian provided by vps |
| 02:58.23 | danols | maybe I need to apt-get something ? |
| 02:58.43 | danols | sorry guys it's been since like 2002 since I used linux |
| 02:58.52 | jhutchins | pkg passwd |
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| 02:59.11 | jhutchins | "provided by vps". Oy, |
| 02:59.32 | jhutchins | danols: K, basic textbook http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 02:59.43 | danols | sorry me stupid |
| 02:59.46 | jhutchins | No. |
| 02:59.51 | jhutchins | Unix hard. |
| 02:59.52 | danols | i was su under a different user lol |
| 02:59.54 | jhutchins | Unix foamy. |
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| 03:00.32 | danols | jhutchins: I know it's hard and FOAMY I gave up after it started taking me more time tweaking gentoo(s?) than being productive |
| 03:00.34 | jordanm | not "stupid", just a KCI issue |
| 03:00.47 | danols | anywho thanks all you awesome |
| 03:00.48 | danols | KCI ? |
| 03:00.53 | jordanm | !kci |
| 03:00.53 | dpkg | kci is probably Keyboard-Chair Interface |
| 03:01.03 | danols | lol or lack of coffee |
| 03:01.05 | danols | thanks all |
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| 03:09.34 | danols | what's the diff between deb and deb-src in apt sources.conf ? |
| 03:09.43 | danols | i need to get java so I need to enable non-free |
| 03:09.50 | danols | do I need deb-src ? |
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| 03:10.35 | k- | fwiw, www.java.com has a nice installer... |
| 03:11.07 | danols | or should I use open-jdk :O |
| 03:11.10 | stew | danols: deb-src is for fetching the source used to build the packages you'd install (from the deb lines) |
| 03:11.35 | danols | stew: not understanding - you mean a package fro deb might need something deb-src ? |
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| 03:11.58 | stew | danols: no. if you wanted to rebuild a package yourself you'd need deb-src |
| 03:12.08 | stew | danols: typically you wouldn't need it unless you want to fetch source code |
| 03:12.35 | k- | iirc, .deb's are prepackages binaries, etc.. whereas src is the actual source+debian patches..... idk.. |
| 03:12.48 | k- | /prepackages/prepackaged/ |
| 03:13.11 | stew | the java.com installer woldn't do things like setup your browser plugin and let you switch between multiple java implementations like you'd be able to do if you stick to debian packages |
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| 03:13.36 | danols | stew: thanks |
| 03:13.42 | k- | then use update-alternatives <type>... (usually located in /etc/alternatives/) |
| 03:14.02 | stew | k-: which doesn't work with the java.com installer |
| 03:14.13 | danols | stew: not understanding the java.com bit - are you suggesting debian 'preffered' way is the open java ? |
| 03:14.15 | stew | and you probably want update-java-alternatives for java instead of update-alternatives |
| 03:14.29 | stew | danols: i'm saying don't use the java.com installer as k- is suggesting |
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| 03:14.38 | danols | stew: no prob 10-4 |
| 03:14.49 | danols | stew: which java do you run ? |
| 03:14.58 | stew | danols: if you need the sun java then yes, its in non-free. openjdk does pretty well |
| 03:15.13 | stew | danols: sun java5, java6, and openjdk-6 |
| 03:15.22 | k- | scary, then manually config the environment( if you feel like it), or just use debian's sun/gcj +jre.. whatever... |
| 03:15.25 | danols | it's a server setup need an up setup says works with openjdk |
| 03:15.35 | danols | k in nut shell it don't matter just pick one :) |
| 03:15.52 | k- | seems like stew can handle this for yo ;-) âis outta here |
| 03:15.56 | stew | i write java code I have to test in the three |
| 03:16.02 | stew | otherwise I'd stick to openjdk |
| 03:16.08 | stew | i wish I didn't have to use the non-free stuff |
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| 03:16.16 | k- | /yo/you/ |
| 03:16.31 | danols | stew: good point but sun did pump a lot into it |
| 03:16.39 | danols | ok i'll flip a coin for it |
| 03:16.46 | danols | thanks for the helps stew |
| 03:16.49 | danols | later k- |
| 03:16.54 | danols | thanks for trying too |
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| 03:17.05 | k- | l8r, =) |
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| 03:17.40 | jordanm | I guess we won't be installing oracle-java6-jre until wheezy |
| 03:18.19 | k- | danols: goodluck â ~\o |
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| 03:20.38 | danols | k-: thanks man! |
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| 03:21.08 | danols | well thank you wikipedia looks like sun eventually = openjdk |
| 03:21.28 | Fleg_ | Hi All! How can I add only one package from sid on lenny not upgrading the whole system to unstable? |
| 03:21.36 | stew | Fleg_: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 03:22.48 | Fleg_ | stew: thanks a lot. |
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| 03:25.48 | danols | anyone know how I can 'unhold' a package in aptitude ? trying to wean through the man but it's long |
| 03:26.09 | danols | found it :P\ |
| 03:28.13 | k- | did you use aptitude or dpkg? |
| 03:31.14 | qq- | !unhold |
| 03:31.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, unhold is echo packagename install | dpkg --set-selections, or "aptitude unhold packagename" if the package is held in aptitude |
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| 03:44.21 | triplc | Please recommend a compression filesystem/folder application? I am using a webserver on debian lenny to share documents amoung people in the company. After more a years i think that those DOC files should be compressed *transparently*. Please recommend a way to do it. I search Google but do not see much info. |
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| 03:47.05 | triplc | i see fusecompress in sid, but do not see it in lenny |
| 03:47.19 | triplc | someone please provide me some advice |
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| 03:50.22 | crouton | so is there any repository that is well-updated? |
| 03:50.52 | crouton | at least relative to this one.. gparted is at version 0.3.8 when the latest release is 0.6.4 |
| 03:51.30 | peterrooney | triplc: i seem to recall apache has ability to uncompress gzip'd documents on the fly. |
| 03:51.51 | jordanm | crouton: you mean you are looking for a bleeding-edge distro? unstable and testing is similar to a rolling bleeding-edge distro, except for during testing |
| 03:52.24 | jordanm | and its goal is not to provide a bleeding-edge version of debian for use.. but for testing |
| 03:52.27 | triplc | peterrooney: oh, it's nice, let me see :-) |
| 03:52.39 | jordanm | ,versions gparted |
| 03:52.41 | judd | Package gparted on i386 -- etch: 0.2.5-2; lenny: 0.3.8-1+b1; sid: 0.6.2-1; squeeze: 0.6.2-1 |
| 03:52.59 | jordanm | crouton: in the case of gparted, is there some missing feature or bug that is giving you trouble? |
| 03:53.45 | crouton | not particularly, i suppose. |
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| 03:54.37 | jordanm | "stable" stays stable.. it doesn't change, unless nescessary. eg. if that version of gparted turned out to be totally broken, fixes would backported and added to lenny via a point release, but the upstream version would remain the same |
| 03:55.19 | crouton | so i would still see 0.3.8 after bug fixes were done? |
| 03:55.21 | jordanm | backports are provided for most packages you need newer packages for |
| 03:55.49 | jordanm | crouton: yes, with a new debian version (-1+b1) in the lenny example |
| 03:56.14 | jordanm | I think the b1 indicated a sponsered upload or something like that |
| 03:56.26 | crouton | i see |
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| 03:56.45 | Soul_Eater | how can I change the default umask for X application? |
| 03:57.33 | jordanm | Soul_Eater: does changing umask in the same shell as launching the X application not work? |
| 03:57.37 | crouton | well, thanks jordanm. |
| 03:57.44 | jordanm | crouton: anytime |
| 03:58.14 | Soul_Eater | jordanm, no |
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| 03:58.35 | jordanm | Soul_Eater: what is the application in question? |
| 03:58.58 | Soul_Eater | jordanm, thunar |
| 04:00.30 | jordanm | thunar may ignore umask and create with its own permissions... I would check with #xfce |
| 04:00.37 | jordanm | thought it might be a file manager |
| 04:02.17 | jordanm | Soul_Eater: there is also #debian-xfce but its mostly packaging related. the guys there are still helpful (but often away) |
| 04:02.54 | Soul_Eater | jordanm, oks. thanks |
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| 04:13.52 | Smirnov | is there some environment variable i can set for the default architecture option to dpkg-buildpackage ? |
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| 04:15.54 | jordanm | Smirnov: it will always be the current running system arch AFAIK |
| 04:18.22 | jordanm | Smirnov: for cross-compiling I believe you can use something like qemubuilder, but it will only support archs that qemu supports |
| 04:18.37 | jordanm | ,versions qemubuilder |
| 04:18.40 | judd | Package qemubuilder on i386 -- etch-backports: 0.47~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.47; squeeze: 0.61; sid: 0.62 |
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| 04:33.27 | Smirnov | well i got my stuff working but i have to do dpkg-buildpackage -amyarch every time its just kind of annoying |
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| 04:41.08 | frewsxcv | how do you get around: Since release 150, udev requires that support for the CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED error |
| 04:41.29 | jordanm | !udev squeeze |
| 04:41.29 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or later is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. See also <squeeze udev fix>, <squeeze kernel>, <kernel abi>, http://bugs.debian.org/571255 |
| 04:41.48 | jordanm | or recompile your kernel with the appropriate support, if using a custom kernel |
| 04:42.04 | frewsxcv | jordanm, the first one sounds more simple |
| 04:42.13 | jordanm | frewsxcv: and I believe thats actaully CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED=n |
| 04:42.17 | frewsxcv | jordanm, should iupdate grub first? or does it do it automatically? |
| 04:42.58 | jordanm | update-grub is ran when the new kernel is installed |
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| 05:07.19 | frewsxcv | jordanm, so i've tried rebooting, but it boots back into the same kernel |
| 05:07.34 | frewsxcv | how could i gell if 2.6.27 is installed? |
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| 05:10.16 | frewsxcv | is trying aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 05:16.39 | frewsxcv | hmm that worked fine |
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| 05:19.34 | jpinx-eeepc | frewsxcv: now reboot into it |
| 05:20.08 | jpinx-eeepc | did you run grub to make it see the new kernal and add it? |
| 05:20.09 | frewsxcv | jpinx-eeepc, i mean it all worked out fine |
| 05:21.04 | somiaj | frewsxcv: dpkg -l | grep linux-image will tell you which debian packaged kernels youhave installed. (kernel-image-2.6-686 is just a meta package that pulls in the current kernel from your debian version) |
| 05:22.22 | frewsxcv | somiaj, 2.6-686, 2.6.26-2-686, 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 05:23.22 | somiaj | frewsxcv: the two kernel versions you have are then 2.6.26 and 2.6.32 (the -2-686 and -5-686 are just subversions) |
| 05:23.46 | frewsxcv | somiaj, it would be acceptable to keep both? keep one as a backup? |
| 05:24.06 | somiaj | frewsxcv: you can relaly have as many as you want (provided you don't have /boot limitations) |
| 05:24.30 | somiaj | frewsxcv: usually I keep one backup -- espically when you first install a kernel, want something to fall back onto if the new kernel doesn't boot) |
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| 05:25.39 | frewsxcv | somiaj, sounds appropriate |
| 05:27.21 | somiaj | frewsxcv: just note the package kernel-image-2.6-686 will always install the newest 2.6 kernel in debian if you do an 'upgrade' -- I personally don't like kernels being updated like that so I don't install that meta package, you should make your own decision about that. |
| 05:27.40 | somiaj | frewsxcv: well newest in your version of debian -- this shouldn't change if your running stable. |
| 05:28.12 | jpinx-eeepc | good reason to keep a dependable kernel as backup -- new != best |
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| 05:49.37 | Alagar | any one can help me. All my emails, and all my clients emails that have been sent are going straight to junk in (as far as I'm aware) most people's inbox's. I have hotmail, yahoo and googlemail accounts and so do my clients and I have tested (and they have too) several different email addresses and they're all going straight to JUNK! |
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| 05:51.17 | KB1JWQ | Alagar: You send HTML mail, don't you... |
| 05:51.41 | KB1JWQ | Given your unnecessary use of caps in your problem description, you likely do this as well when you're sending email. |
| 05:51.55 | peterrooney | Alagar: what KB1JWQ said; also, try accessing mails from an acutal email client, not web, with filter logging turned on. |
| 05:52.47 | KB1JWQ | Alagar: If that still doesn't explain it, please send a test message to seekwill@amazingrapist.com |
| 05:53.20 | peterrooney | KB1JWQ: I have only one exception to HTML --> Trash, and that's because I don't feel like telling my mother what she can and can't do to me. |
| 05:54.02 | KB1JWQ | peterrooney: Likewise. |
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| 06:02.36 | nobarking | is it possible to add ubuntu's font rendering to my debian box? |
| 06:02.45 | nobarking | has anyone done this? |
| 06:03.42 | somiaj | depends, you can install ubuntu' |
| 06:04.02 | somiaj | s debs in debian, but you really need to pay attention to versions -- most ubuntu's debs won't be complied against stables libs |
| 06:04.33 | somiaj | what font rendering are you wanting? |
| 06:05.09 | vsmatck | ubuntu has new font rendering or new fonts? I'm trying to figure it out. |
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| 06:05.38 | nobarking | vsmatck: no same old |
| 06:05.54 | vsmatck | same old what? same font rendering or same fonts? |
| 06:05.55 | nobarking | they added a support for how older types of fonts get rendered |
| 06:06.06 | vsmatck | ah |
| 06:06.09 | nobarking | that's not in debian |
| 06:06.32 | nobarking | it might be licensing issues or debian just wants to move to the future |
| 06:06.45 | nobarking | but i just want to know how i can enable that in debian |
| 06:06.52 | somiaj | so what are you wanting, the unbuntu version of fontconfig -- figure out what package does this, compare the versions, or grab the source and see if it will complie against the libs on your machine and make a custom deb (second is preferable) |
| 06:07.30 | nobarking | somiaj: that seems like a good direction |
| 06:07.44 | nobarking | i was wondering if anyone had done it before and documented it |
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| 06:42.26 | kingsley | How would you reconcile /etc/environment saying "LANG=en_US" with locale -a reporting that en_US is unavailable, and "dpkg-reconfigure locales" having no option to create en_US? |
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| 06:44.28 | somiaj | use an editor, set it to the correct value, en_US.UTF-8 or what ever locales you have |
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| 06:45.27 | kingsley | somiaj: That seems reasonable, and I'm open to trying it. |
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| 06:46.43 | mryanbrown | im google failing, can someone link me to something about adding sid repos as a backup to lenny/backports? |
| 06:46.51 | kingsley | somiaj: My concern is that I find myself wondering which program wrote it, and whether it may rewrite it, or whether some misguided application needs en_US. |
| 06:48.04 | somiaj | I'm surprised en_US isn't there, but its the old standard, pre utf-8. It could have been written that way durning the original install |
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| 06:49.41 | kingsley | somiaj: That seems plausible. It's happening on a new installation of lenny. |
| 06:50.10 | somiaj | I prefer en_US myself, and I'm surprised you cannot generate that local with dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 06:50.16 | somiaj | since I can still create it on sid |
| 06:50.42 | kingsley | I was surprised too. |
| 06:51.11 | somiaj | but most prefer utf-8 so I would suggest using that and then maybe figure out why you can't generate it if you really need it later |
| 06:52.18 | kingsley | I see there is a slightly more recent version of the locales package available. Maybe it has en_US. |
| 06:53.03 | kingsley | But even if it does, I'm worried that it's hard to know which application wrote /etc/environment, and whether it will again. |
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| 07:07.33 | lunks | I have a Cisco VPN which, as soon as I connect, routes all my network connection to it. Given I know its IP address range, submask, etc. how can I change the routes on Network Manager so it routes only what I want? |
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| 07:20.03 | ShexNivis | hello, I'm getting some warnings while booting and it's too fast to read, it's something from udev. I tried to look for it on dmesg but can't find it. Any other place where I could find a log of it? |
| 07:20.51 | cahoot | enable bootlgd |
| 07:21.00 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.11 | ShexNivis | When I do it where is the log gonna be saved at? |
| 07:21.29 | cahoot | !bootlog |
| 07:21.29 | dpkg | it has been said that bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
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| 07:21.52 | ShexNivis | cahoot: Thank you a lot |
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| 07:24.38 | jasper1 | hej guys, how can I extract a tar while not using the directory structure in the tar? |
| 07:24.43 | jasper1 | so I want to extract it to curent directory |
| 07:24.54 | jasper1 | instead of . root directory where it was tarred from |
| 07:25.37 | dimir | Eh? |
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| 07:26.02 | jww | jasper1: what about -C ? |
| 07:26.50 | jasper1 | is that the right cmmand? |
| 07:26.57 | jasper1 | i don't wanna be overriding exisitng files |
| 07:26.59 | jasper1 | during extract |
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| 07:27.01 | jasper1 | by mistake |
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| 07:27.50 | SlayerXP | jasper1: had you considered trying it elsewhere to see what would happen? |
| 07:27.58 | jasper1 | I don't have another box |
| 07:27.58 | jasper1 | so no |
| 07:28.02 | antivigilante | how do I output hex to nonprintable ascii > file |
| 07:28.17 | jww | jasper1: should be fine, be sure to use a path with -C. |
| 07:28.28 | jww | tar xvf something.tar -C /some/path |
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| 07:29.52 | antivigilante | like hex2ascii 0x55AA > dd of=bootsector bs=1 skip=510 |
| 07:29.56 | karlpinc | jasper1: All -C does is change the current working directory when untarring. If you like you could simply cd into the directory into which you wish to untar. |
| 07:30.29 | antivigilante | how do I do that |
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| 07:30.51 | karlpinc | jasper1: (But -C is nice.) The trick to using tar is to enable the non-free repos and install the tar-doc package and read the info pages. |
| 07:31.14 | jasper1 | karlpinc , but if I hav ea tar which was tarred at the root |
| 07:31.17 | jasper1 | with absolute directorys |
| 07:31.19 | jasper1 | that won't work |
| 07:32.02 | karlpinc | jasper1: As far as I know all tar implimentations remove absolute paths when the tarball is created. |
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| 07:32.34 | ShexNivis | cahoot: I can't find it on the log. The first line from log Setting parameters of disc: (none). The udev error message gets printed before that line. It's a warning telling that something will be change on the next version of udev. Sadly it's too fast to read. |
| 07:32.34 | jww | karme: -P prevent that. |
| 07:32.35 | karlpinc | jasper1: You could do a -t to list the content (tar -tzf foo.tgz) |
| 07:33.09 | jasper1 | karlpinc all files in there are stored like ./var/cache/apt/srcpkgcache.bin |
| 07:33.13 | karlpinc | jasper1: I bet all the paths begin with '.', the current directory. |
| 07:33.53 | cahoot | ShexNivis: not found in dmesg or syslog either? My guess is you are seeing some warning about conf file naming - nothing really harmful |
| 07:34.19 | jasper1 | never mind it's extracting |
| 07:34.32 | karlpinc | antivigilante: What you wrote looks right. (Although I'm not sure I understand you.) What are you really trying to do? |
| 07:34.40 | jasper1 | any way to only to the /data/ dir for example? |
| 07:35.16 | antivigilante | is there a hex2ascii program? |
| 07:35.25 | ShexNivis | cahoot: aight I will check the conf file from udev and see if I can find anything thanks though |
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| 07:36.01 | karlpinc | jasper1: Sure. tar -xzf foo.tgz ./data/ Should do it. (But better test.) |
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| 07:39.01 | angel-tsankov | when two network interfaces are bridged together, does any of them have an IP address |
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| 07:39.54 | karlpinc | antivigilante: xxd does it (in the vim package). But it expects a human readable hexdump, I think. You probably want to script it with your favorite language, or install and use the debtags package to find something. |
| 07:41.31 | karlpinc | antivigilante: A sample script (in bash) would be "printf '\x05\x10'" if it's a constant you're trying to print. |
| 07:41.44 | karlpinc | angel-tsankov: They could if you want them to. |
| 07:42.38 | angel-tsankov | karlpinc: I guess I have to edit /etc/network/interfaces to assign ip addresses to the bridged interfaces and to the bridge, right? |
| 07:43.12 | karlpinc | angel-tsankov: Sounds right to me. I've not setup a bridge in Linux myself so .... |
| 07:43.41 | binarym | hi |
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| 07:46.45 | somiaj | angel-tsankov: setting up a linux box to connect two different networks together? |
| 07:47.18 | angel-tsankov | somiaj: setting up debian to connect a physical and a virtual network interface |
| 07:47.28 | angel-tsankov | the virtual interface is vbox0 |
| 07:48.25 | somiaj | angel-tsankov: ahh, well they should still both be seen as net devices, so just configure each to have the appropriate settings/ip and then use iptables to configure the routing/bridge |
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| 07:49.17 | angel-tsankov | somiaj: are you sure, I dont need a br0 device ? |
| 07:50.12 | karlpinc | antivigilante: Perhaps the ascii2binary package. |
| 07:51.01 | karlpinc | somiaj: Any clue if the iptables part is something that ferm can do? |
| 07:51.52 | somiaj | angel-tsankov: not positive what you mean by bridge, but if you just want to route packets from the physical device to the virtual device and visa, versa iptables is what I'd use |
| 07:51.58 | somiaj | karlpinc: not sure what ferm is. |
| 07:52.34 | karlpinc | somiaj: Takes a sane syntax and produces iptables rules. |
| 07:53.04 | somiaj | karlpinc: then yes, the method you configure iptables shouldn't be an issue. |
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| 07:54.10 | [gnubie] | waves |
| 07:54.18 | [gnubie] | anyone familiar here with cpio? |
| 07:54.23 | karlpinc | somiaj: Yeah. I've not used ferm but don't like writing iptables and, while shorewall is nice it's more of a modeling language than something declarative. One of these days I'm going to use vbox and want to get off on the right foot. |
| 07:54.31 | karlpinc | !tell [gnubie] about anyone |
| 07:54.56 | [gnubie] | i tried to extract an archived file using the command: cpio -idmv archived.cpio |
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| 07:57.37 | [gnubie] | but the problem is, after i press the enter/return key, it was extracted with a full path (meaning, with a / on every first directories it extracted) which resulted to overwrite the system's filesystem. i just want to extract everything from the present working directory |
| 07:57.38 | [gnubie] | sorry, the correct command was: cpio -idmv < archived.cpio |
| 07:57.47 | [gnubie] | my pwd is /mnt and i want to extract everything inside the /mnt/ directory |
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| 07:57.54 | zachera | http://xkcd.com/797/ |
| 07:58.27 | karlpinc | [gnubie]: And? |
| 07:58.28 | karlpinc | [gnubie]: cpio does not take a filename. It wants stuff on standard input. cat archived.cpio | cpio -idmv (or better, cpio -idmv < archived.cpio) |
| 07:58.56 | [gnubie] | karlpinc: that's what i did: cpio -idmv < archived.cpio |
| 07:59.21 | [gnubie] | the problem is, it extracted in my filesystem's / recursively |
| 08:00.07 | karlpinc | [gnubie]: That's because your current directory was /. (I bet.) Try using cd to go into /mnt. |
| 08:00.24 | [gnubie] | karlpinc: as i've said, my pwd is at /mnt |
| 08:00.30 | __cool__ | [gnubie]: you need kinda glob pattern. append '/mnt/*' ... but check first, if it should be 'mnt/*' (check with 'cpio itv' ... |
| 08:01.04 | __cool__ | [gnubie]: and if the files have '/mnt/' in the beginning, you have to go to / for extraction |
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| 08:01.53 | [gnubie] | __cool__: the contents of the archived.cpio was a full filesystem archive starting from / from another system. |
| 08:01.55 | __cool__ | karlpinc: cpio *does* take filenames when 'copying in' |
| 08:02.17 | karlpinc | __cool__: Agh. I've always found cpio a struggle. |
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| 08:03.11 | __cool__ | [gnubie]: oh btw, put '/mnt/*' in ticks ' <- like here |
| 08:03.32 | __cool__ | [gnubie]: else you only get the file already existing on your system |
| 08:03.43 | karlpinc | [gnubie]: The trick is to read the directions. They can be found by "info cpio". |
| 08:03.46 | [gnubie] | __cool__: i'm sorry, what do you mean? |
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| 08:03.50 | [gnubie] | the procedure i did were: |
| 08:04.04 | [gnubie] | [1] cp -a archived.cpio /mnt/. |
| 08:04.08 | [gnubie] | [2] cd /mnt |
| 08:04.18 | [gnubie] | [3] cpio -idmv < archived.cpio |
| 08:04.39 | __cool__ | karlpinc: the trick is, to read the instructions *once* and then use one memorized invocation 1000 times. *then* you don't struggle anymore |
| 08:05.00 | __cool__ | [gnubie]: do |
| 08:05.21 | [gnubie] | after i press the enter/return key on the 3rd command, the extraction started from / onwards which writes from my filesystem's / |
| 08:05.36 | __cool__ | [3] cd / ; cpio -idmv < archived.cpio '/mnt/*' |
| 08:06.25 | karlpinc | __cool__: The procedure I used to use was: read the instructions, get drunk, get sober, read the instructions again, try to make it work, read the instructions again, make it work, wait a week, read the instructions again, do something complicated -- repeatedly, read the instructions again, redo the complicated work the right way. |
| 08:06.27 | __cool__ | [gnubie]: i don't think it starts from / in your case though... instead you should get another mnt in /mnt |
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| 08:07.44 | __cool__ | karlpinc: well, the real trick is to write a backup utility for ~50 servers that uses cpio, doing 1st and 2nd level support for those some years and so on :) |
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| 08:08.09 | [gnubie] | snippet at http://www.pastie.org/1214921 |
| 08:08.21 | karlpinc | [gnubie]: It's a little late now, but imo tar is a whole lot easier. (The only slightly tricky part is --one-file-system to avoid stuff like /proc and possibly --numeric-owner on restore. |
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| 08:08.52 | [gnubie] | kindly check http://www.pastie.org/1214921 |
| 08:08.55 | __cool__ | karlpinc: yeah, well, another problem is you cannot easily select files by date or size and so on, can you? |
| 08:09.21 | __cool__ | [gnubie]: yeah. look right. do what i wrote as [3] |
| 08:09.24 | [gnubie] | as you will see, the extracted files/directories starts at / instead of extracting it in the present working directory which is the /mnt |
| 08:10.11 | [gnubie] | __cool__: this one? => cd / ; cpio -idmv < archived.cpio '/mnt/*' |
| 08:10.13 | pisi | after updating to sid, cdrom-s and usb keys don't auto mount any more. what should be re-installed or done to fix this? |
| 08:10.17 | karlpinc | __cool__: No. OTOH, you can't do rsync like hardlinking with either one. Mostly I want either a copy of everything, or I want rsync's tricks. |
| 08:10.21 | __cool__ | [gnubie]: yes |
| 08:10.43 | pisi | the same problem is with ubuntu 10.04->10.10 so I suspect it is something common. |
| 08:10.50 | [gnubie] | __cool__: so, i have to go to my filesystem's / first.. |
| 08:11.08 | pisi | Iron key used to auto-mount itself to /media/IronKey but that does not happen any more. |
| 08:11.29 | arif-ali | Hi, I have been using preseed to provision machine in ubuntu, and this has worked without any hiccups, I have now a similar preseed for lenny, but for some reason, it is not working. I keep getting "!! ERROR: Bad archive mirror" |
| 08:12.27 | karlpinc | arif-ali: Is the name of the mirror right? |
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| 08:12.52 | __cool__ | [gnubie]: yeah. almost allway, except you want to put stuff somewhere else than where it came from |
| 08:13.05 | __cool__ | *always* that it |
| 08:13.41 | arif-ali | karlpinc: I am using the 1st CD, and extracting that, and creating a local repository, and installng from that, and then using the initrd and kernel from the from the website wrt to netboot |
| 08:13.47 | __cool__ | arx. *is*... and when rebasing, you need relative paths in the archive (but that doesn;t matter for you now) |
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| 08:14.49 | __cool__ | [gnubie]: and *please* be sure you make no typos |
| 08:15.22 | arif-ali | karlpinc: My preseed file http://pastebin.com/py6TKqr6 |
| 08:15.36 | __cool__ | [gnubie]: and check before with cpio itv <... '/mnt/*' lest you overwrite your whole system |
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| 08:16.12 | __cool__ | [gnubie]: (this could take some time though as it reads the whole archive file) |
| 08:16.37 | [gnubie] | __cool__: ok. thanks. i will try now.. |
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| 08:36.43 | karlpinc | arif-ali: So, if you go to http://10.0.0.200/install/debian5.0.6/x86_64/ you see the same directory structure as, e.g., http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ ? |
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| 08:39.23 | Mixxit | hey in my public_html directory a symbol link ~ has appeared |
| 08:39.27 | Mixxit | how can i trace it? |
| 08:39.32 | Mixxit | what's happening! |
| 08:39.50 | Mixxit | im scared to rm it incase it wipes my ~ dir |
| 08:40.31 | nsadmin | cd public_html ; ls -l ./~ |
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| 08:41.23 | arif-ali | karpinc: I have dists, docs and pool, which are similar, I don't have any others. I have tried the same thing with ubuntu 9.10, 10.04 and 10.10, and I have that working already |
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| 08:43.13 | karlpinc | arif-ali: Did you actually try this in a browser? Good to check just in case. |
| 08:43.53 | karlpinc | Mixxit: readlink or "ls -l". |
| 08:44.09 | Mixxit | readlink takes me back to a prompt |
| 08:44.18 | Mixxit | ls -l ~ lists my ~ dir |
| 08:44.23 | karlpinc | Mixxit: You need to tell it what link to read. |
| 08:44.27 | nsadmin | cd public_html ; ls -l ./~ |
| 08:44.48 | Mixxit | aha so rm -Rf ./~ |
| 08:44.56 | nsadmin | NONO |
| 08:45.08 | nsadmin | do not do that |
| 08:45.09 | karlpinc | Mixxit: "cd public_html ; ls -l './~'" The ' is important! |
| 08:45.22 | Mixxit | i see what has happened |
| 08:45.27 | Mixxit | this isnt a symlink |
| 08:45.46 | karlpinc | Mixxit: surround it with '' or else the shell will expand it. |
| 08:46.02 | nsadmin | so far you haven't showed us the line resulting |
| 08:46.03 | Mixxit | rm -Rf './~' ? |
| 08:46.07 | nsadmin | NO |
| 08:46.13 | arif-ali | karlpinc: yes, I did check in browser |
| 08:46.21 | Mixxit | ls -l ./~ |
| 08:46.21 | Mixxit | total 4 |
| 08:46.21 | Mixxit | drwx------ 3 solinia solinia 4096 Oct 11 00:26 server |
| 08:46.45 | nsadmin | so its name is not ~ |
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| 08:47.11 | Mixxit | drwx------ 3 solinia solinia 4096 Oct 11 00:26 ~ |
| 08:47.12 | nsadmin | oic |
| 08:48.01 | nsadmin | I'd suggest first doing this: |
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| 08:48.30 | nsadmin | mv './~' anothername |
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| 08:50.22 | [gnubie] | __cool__: done already. this is what i just did: |
| 08:50.35 | [gnubie] | root@host:/mnt# cpio -idmv --no-absolute-filenames < archived.cpio |
| 08:50.49 | [gnubie] | __cool__: thank you once again.. ;) |
| 08:51.35 | nsadmin | then you can deal with it without worrying about your ~ |
| 08:52.05 | karlpinc | arif-ali: Are there logs? (I'm just wandering around here.) |
| 08:55.19 | Mixxit | thanks nsadmin that fixed m y problem |
| 08:55.42 | nsadmin | like, you can look at it, you can move it out of your public_html, you can see if it has your stuff... could it be you made a typing mistake yesterday that produced the ~? |
| 08:56.55 | arif-ali | karlpinc: I have httpd logs, but that's about it |
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| 08:58.40 | arif-ali | karlpinc: I get [client 10.0.0.1] File does not exist: /install/debian5.0.6/x86_64/dists/oldstable |
| 08:59.14 | arif-ali | karlpinc, but when I link oldstable to lenny, I get no errors at all in the error logs in httpd |
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| 09:01.31 | arif-ali | karlpinc: I have tried BOOT_DEBUG=3, with no avail, is there any other way to debug what is happening with preseed? |
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| 09:07.58 | [gnubie] | gtg now.. ;) |
| 09:08.02 | [gnubie] | waves |
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| 09:09.25 | arif-ali | karlpinc: is it worth me posting my problem on the mailing list? |
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| 09:13.57 | angel-tsankov | I want to bridge two network interfaces and preserve their ip addresses |
| 09:14.25 | nsadmin | are they in the same subnet? |
| 09:14.26 | angel-tsankov | but when I 'ifup br0' they seem to be reconfigured with no ip address |
| 09:14.50 | angel-tsankov | nsadmin: in fact, only one of them has an ip address |
| 09:14.59 | angel-tsankov | the other one is a virtual on (vbox0) |
| 09:15.08 | angel-tsankov | the real interface is eth0 |
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| 09:15.24 | angel-tsankov | the real interface is connected to a local net |
| 09:15.24 | nsadmin | which two interfaces do you want to bridge? |
| 09:15.35 | angel-tsankov | I want to bridge eth0 and vbox0 |
| 09:15.52 | angel-tsankov | a dhcp server runs on eth0, that's why I need it to have an ip address |
| 09:15.59 | nsadmin | and what subnets are they on? |
| 09:16.10 | angel-tsankov | eth0 is on 192.168.1.0 |
| 09:16.22 | angel-tsankov | I meant 192.168.1.x |
| 09:16.33 | nsadmin | right, the former is the net address |
| 09:16.34 | angel-tsankov | vbox0 is a tap interface |
| 09:16.41 | nsadmin | what subnet? |
| 09:17.28 | angel-tsankov | nsadmin: are you asking about interace 'vbox0'? |
| 09:17.32 | nsadmin | yes |
| 09:17.46 | angel-tsankov | it is not yet on any subnet |
| 09:18.01 | nsadmin | so it has no address at all? |
| 09:18.06 | angel-tsankov | right |
| 09:18.18 | nsadmin | and you want to preserve that? |
| 09:18.41 | angel-tsankov | nsadmin: yes, I think so |
| 09:19.24 | angel-tsankov | I want eth0 to have IP address 192.168.1.1 and I don't care if vbox0 has an IP address |
| 09:19.25 | nsadmin | ok, (just making sure) you want eth0 to have its address, and vbox0 to not have an address? |
| 09:19.42 | nsadmin | ok. what's happening instead? |
| 09:20.00 | angel-tsankov | when I run 'ifup br0' eth0 loses its ip address |
| 09:20.07 | angel-tsankov | br0 is the bridge interface |
| 09:20.38 | angel-tsankov | it looks like its configuration is lost |
| 09:20.40 | nsadmin | why not give the 1.1 ip to br0? |
| 09:20.42 | binarym | angel-tsankov: it's normal |
| 09:20.47 | binarym | the bridge take the ip |
| 09:21.00 | binarym | component of bridge musn't have their own ip, imo |
| 09:21.15 | binarym | but what is the problem ? |
| 09:21.36 | angel-tsankov | binarym: the problem is that if eth0 does not have an ip address, it cannot serve as a gateway |
| 09:21.48 | binarym | don't use eth0 anymore |
| 09:21.48 | angel-tsankov | I mean the host machine cannot serve as a gateway |
| 09:21.52 | binarym | use br0 instead |
| 09:22.00 | angel-tsankov | a-ha |
| 09:22.00 | binarym | no |
| 09:22.11 | binarym | you mean gateway for the vbox ? |
| 09:22.20 | binarym | since vbox0 and br0 are bridged |
| 09:22.20 | angel-tsankov | both for vbox and for the LAN |
| 09:22.24 | binarym | ok |
| 09:22.27 | binarym | no problem |
| 09:22.32 | angel-tsankov | so I need to reconfigure iptables? |
| 09:22.37 | angel-tsankov | and use br0 instead of eth0? |
| 09:22.40 | binarym | yeah |
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| 09:22.49 | angel-tsankov | let me try this |
| 09:23.05 | binarym | angel-tsankov: tell me if it's ok |
| 09:23.10 | binarym | but i'm pretty sure it is :) |
| 09:23.12 | angel-tsankov | binarym: ok |
| 09:23.53 | angel-tsankov | binarym: here's how I configure masq'ing: 'iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE' |
| 09:24.04 | angel-tsankov | note that nowhere is eth0 mentioned |
| 09:24.08 | binarym | eth1 is wan link, and eth0 lan link ? |
| 09:24.19 | angel-tsankov | both are lan links |
| 09:24.23 | angel-tsankov | sorry |
| 09:24.30 | angel-tsankov | yes, you are right |
| 09:24.45 | angel-tsankov | eth1 it connected to the Internet, eth0 -- to a local net |
| 09:24.48 | binarym | ok |
| 09:24.57 | binarym | eth0 is the gateway for other lans box ? |
| 09:25.03 | angel-tsankov | yes |
| 09:25.08 | binarym | adress is ? 192.168.1.1 ? |
| 09:25.12 | angel-tsankov | yes |
| 09:25.20 | angel-tsankov | 192.168.1.1 is the address of eth0 |
| 09:25.23 | binarym | br0 now has this adress ? |
| 09:25.27 | angel-tsankov | yes |
| 09:25.32 | binarym | and it doesn't work ? |
| 09:25.43 | angel-tsankov | the address of br0 is 192.168.2.1 |
| 09:25.51 | binarym | this is the probelm :) |
| 09:25.57 | nsadmin | it's not even on the right subnet :) |
| 09:26.01 | binarym | consider eth0 doesn't exist anymore |
| 09:26.13 | binarym | attribute the eth0's old adress to br0 |
| 09:26.28 | binarym | and your lan must take the internet back |
| 09:26.51 | angel-tsankov | in progress... |
| 09:27.20 | nsadmin | you probably want to configure br0 static in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:27.34 | angel-tsankov | yes, I want this; give me a minute |
| 09:27.56 | nsadmin | you may have done that already for eth0; just change the name |
| 09:28.25 | angel-tsankov | noe br0 has address 192.168.1.1, eth0 does not have any address, and dhcp server says there is no subnetdeclaration for eth0 |
| 09:29.05 | angel-tsankov | so, how can I have dhcp on eth0 without eth0 having an ip address |
| 09:30.30 | nsadmin | maybe you just want it on br0 |
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| 09:31.55 | binarym | angel-tsankov: yeah fist, verify it's ok |
| 09:32.02 | binarym | verify if lan box have net, etc... |
| 09:32.03 | binarym | then |
| 09:32.09 | binarym | grep -ri 'eth0' /etc |
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| 09:32.18 | binarym | and update your config :) |
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| 09:34.54 | angel-tsankov | nsadmin, binarym: now dhcp server runs on br0 (192.168.1.1), eth0 has no ip address, and lan hosts cannot get an ip address from the dhcp server |
| 09:35.39 | nsadmin | if you configure a lan host statically as a test, can it ping 192.168.1.1? |
| 09:35.41 | frikinz | Is there any alternative to webmin? A web based interface for sysadmin? |
| 09:36.10 | nsadmin | frikinz: of course. a text editor. |
| 09:36.17 | binarym | haha :) |
| 09:36.25 | binarym | angel-tsankov: yeah, try this |
| 09:36.42 | binarym | angel-tsankov: moreover, is there any message in the log from dhcp server ? |
| 09:36.54 | frikinz | nsadmin: not sure my users know how to use vi over ssh |
| 09:37.18 | angel-tsankov | nsadmin, binarym: I think lan hosts got ip addresses after a short while |
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| 09:37.40 | binarym | angel-tsankov: yeah, br0 may take a bit time to "setup" correctly |
| 09:37.46 | angel-tsankov | let me see if virtual machine will get address, too |
| 09:38.02 | binarym | angel-tsankov: this point is fail i think |
| 09:38.05 | binarym | since |
| 09:38.10 | nsadmin | frikinz: nano might be more understandable |
| 09:38.17 | binarym | vbox0 == eth0 == br0 |
| 09:38.37 | binarym | frikinz: plesk exist. It's proprietary |
| 09:39.13 | nsadmin | if your users are paying you, you might as well get them something that works |
| 09:39.28 | frikinz | binarym: thanks. No I want something free (as in beer) |
| 09:39.34 | binarym | frikinz: have a look to ISPConfig, Raven, AlternC, ... |
| 09:40.21 | binarym | CPanel too |
| 09:40.33 | angel-tsankov | binarym, nsadmin: how can I have VMs get ip addresses from the dhcp server, too |
| 09:40.39 | nsadmin | well you could try webmin yourself (which means you go get it, configure it, and as necessary, fix it) |
| 09:41.08 | binarym | angel-tsankov: i think this isn't a good idea :( |
| 09:41.17 | nsadmin | how are they getting them now? |
| 09:41.24 | angel-tsankov | binarym: why |
| 09:41.35 | angel-tsankov | nsadmin: I've just installed them |
| 09:41.38 | nsadmin | I was using xen before, and the bridge made using its tools just worked |
| 09:41.41 | binarym | i think you should better remove some ip address from dhcp pool and assign it to VMs |
| 09:41.49 | frikinz | nsadmin: yes, I think that's what I'm going to do (now checking the others but "buy now"..). Although if webmin has been removed from debian, there might be a reason.. |
| 09:42.13 | binarym | frikinz: webmin was really piece of shit :) that's a good reason :) |
| 09:42.19 | nsadmin | a coupla reasons that I can sus out... |
| 09:42.29 | frikinz | full of security holes iir |
| 09:42.55 | nsadmin | the sysadmins among the developers don't want it to be easy for just anyone to do sysadmin; it affects their economy |
| 09:43.13 | binarym | angel-tsankov: i think it may be problematic since DHCP server will see dhcp request as if they were coming from its own interface |
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| 09:43.32 | nsadmin | (the way they say it is people should learn how it's really done) |
| 09:43.38 | binarym | since, don't forget, br0 = (eth0 + vbox0) |
| 09:43.58 | angel-tsankov | binarym: why should this be a problem |
| 09:44.14 | angel-tsankov | after all, lan hosts send requests via eth0, which now is br0 |
| 09:44.18 | nsadmin | tail the dhcp server logs |
| 09:44.18 | binarym | yeah |
| 09:44.22 | angel-tsankov | so the case is the same for lan hosts |
| 09:44.26 | binarym | but think about mac adress |
| 09:44.27 | nsadmin | and then start a vm |
| 09:44.33 | dutchfish | nsadmin: the sysadmins among the developers don't want another layer that can mess up there economics of good practises ;) |
| 09:44.34 | binarym | lan host has their own mac adress |
| 09:44.41 | angel-tsankov | yes, they do |
| 09:44.42 | binarym | but you should try |
| 09:44.44 | binarym | you'll see |
| 09:45.09 | angel-tsankov | binarym: what should I try |
| 09:45.09 | binarym | try, and tell us: 1/ if it works 2/ if no, what is on dhcpd logs |
| 09:45.15 | nsadmin | dutchfish: they act too hostile for it to not be about the money. |
| 09:45.16 | binarym | dhclient eth0 on VM |
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| 09:46.19 | angel-tsankov | binarym: it the output looks like dhcliend send dhcpdiscover requests on eth0 and not receiving any reply |
| 09:46.23 | nsadmin | other than that however, webmin is pretty seriously flawed and broken in some of its modules |
| 09:46.24 | binarym | ok |
| 09:46.29 | binarym | and on dhcp server logs ? |
| 09:46.49 | angel-tsankov | bonarym: nothing |
| 09:46.53 | binarym | uh |
| 09:46.54 | binarym | strange |
| 09:47.00 | frikinz | a product sometimes needs to be configured (example if it is put into a wireless network) and having the developpers configure every systems is not possible. |
| 09:47.02 | angel-tsankov | binarym: looks like dhcp server does not get the requests |
| 09:47.32 | binarym | try a tcpdump -i br0 port 67 |
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| 09:48.17 | NET||abuse | hey guys, i've been setup with a server, but the hosting company threw CentOs on it, is there a way to re-install Debian over that without being physically at the server? |
| 09:48.29 | NET||abuse | the hosting company charge $50 to re-install Debian |
| 09:48.29 | industrial | How do I use apt to list and search for installed packages? |
| 09:48.41 | NET||abuse | industrial, use dpkg -l instead |
| 09:48.50 | robokop | my dmesg is full of lines like these : http://pastebin.com/0BNb16GS, any idea what my cause this? |
| 09:49.01 | NET||abuse | :/ dpkg -l | grep <search term> |
| 09:49.04 | petemc | NET||abuse: the install guide covers installing via a chroot on another OS |
| 09:49.13 | angel-tsankov | binarym: tcpdump does not output anything interesting |
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| 09:49.31 | angel-tsankov | binarym: says it listens on br0, link-type is EN10MB |
| 09:49.42 | industrial | NET||abuse: k |
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| 09:50.15 | angel-tsankov | binarym: each VM has its own mac address, by the way |
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| 09:55.29 | [gnubie] | i'm running xen 4.0.1 and related packages on a debian squeeze amd64 system all comes from it's repository. now i'm planning to make use of the pv-grub but all i can find is /usr/share/doc/xen-utils-common/examples/xmexample.pv-grub.gz. any idea? |
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| 09:56.48 | nsadmin | have you read that file? |
| 09:57.43 | robokop | my dmesg is full of lines like these : http://pastebin.com/0BNb16GS, any idea what may cause this? |
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| 10:00.52 | [gnubie] | anybody knows where i can find the pv-grub ? |
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| 10:14.52 | willemb | Greetings. Can someone reccommend anything other than phplogcon for use with rsyslog? |
| 10:15.22 | willemb | or is it better than the demo site makes it look? |
| 10:16.08 | poisonbit | willemb, do you need a web interface to view/search rsyslog logs ? |
| 10:16.41 | poisonbit | I don't know how many there are for rsyslog, but the default syslog format is compatible with syslog, so all syslog frontends should work too |
| 10:17.00 | willemb | poinsonbit: at the moment, I don't even have centralized logging yet, and we use syslog-ng. It looks like rsyslog is where Debian is going. |
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| 10:17.29 | poisonbit | yes, as daemon, but the log format remains the same |
| 10:17.30 | willemb | poisonbit: in that case, can you reccommend any other web interfaces to view/search logging details after centralization? |
| 10:18.09 | poisonbit | I can't, I use to use logwatch, cron reports, etc, no web interface |
| 10:18.17 | poisonbit | sorry |
| 10:19.03 | willemb | poinsonbit: Thanks, not really an option for 1000+ machines |
| 10:19.14 | poisonbit | why ? |
| 10:19.23 | poisonbit | does human eye is n option fotr that ? |
| 10:19.53 | poisonbit | translated: is the human eye an option for that ? |
| 10:21.53 | willemb | clickety-clickety "only show me authlogs, and only successful logins is pretty attractive. |
| 10:23.02 | poisonbit | sure :) |
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| 10:23.20 | poisonbit | willemb, I could love to see a modern and nice web interface for that |
| 10:23.40 | poisonbit | but i don't know of anithing that does not look like a old CGI |
| 10:24.53 | poisonbit | the more famous needs to have a LAMP in the log server (phplogcon, php-syslog-ng, usermin/webmin, etc...) |
| 10:25.13 | willemb | http://www.graylog2.org/screenshots/ |
| 10:25.21 | willemb | that looks a little promising, built on ruby |
| 10:25.44 | poisonbit | looks nice yes |
| 10:25.52 | icebrain | scp the files, use editor of choice? |
| 10:28.29 | simonrvn | reset |
| 10:28.40 | simonrvn | meh |
| 10:29.26 | poisonbit | willemb, it requires java for the "graylog server" and ruby for the web interface |
| 10:29.49 | willemb | poinsonbit: Yeah, that is a downside. Closest we could get to splunk so far |
| 10:29.50 | poisonbit | anyway it looks better than the alternatives |
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| 10:49.06 | pozic | Can I save the terminal state such that a program that might disrupt it has its effects undone when it is done executing? |
| 10:49.41 | pozic | So something like save_terminal_state ; broken_program ; restore_terminal_state |
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| 10:50.15 | pozic | Specifically where I do C-c while this script is running. |
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| 10:53.20 | nsadmin | fix_broken_program? |
| 10:53.32 | nsadmin | or |
| 10:53.43 | nsadmin | fire up xterm (or your fav term) |
| 10:53.50 | nsadmin | broken_program |
| 10:53.53 | nsadmin | exit xterm |
| 10:55.12 | nsadmin | so in broken_program SIGINT is not caught and handled |
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| 11:06.04 | Mixxit | how do i stop this wu-ftpd message? |
| 11:06.04 | Mixxit | http://pastebin.com/hHc2ssXZ |
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| 11:07.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you just enter "apt-cache dotty", does it print all relationships in the database? |
| 11:08.29 | loxley_ | Hi, is there a way to feed answeres to dist-upgrade when querying me for Y or N answers? |
| 11:08.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's the differece to "apt-cache dotty somepackage", when you don't set APT::Cache::GivenOnly |
| 11:09.44 | nsadmin | you would feed it the answers by pushing keys on your keyboard |
| 11:10.14 | loxley_ | nsadmin: funny, but just shit for brains. i read something about preseeding, wondering if that is correct |
| 11:10.42 | nsadmin | you can try preseeding or there's something called fai |
| 11:11.01 | nsadmin | you didn' |
| 11:11.10 | nsadmin | t say anything about your application tho |
| 11:11.32 | nsadmin | and so my response was a direct answer to your question as you posed it |
| 11:12.01 | loxley_ | nsadmin: i'm doing a etch->lenny upgrade and it queries me for some conf files, for example /etc/modprobe.d/aliases etc |
| 11:12.22 | nsadmin | are you doing multiple machines? |
| 11:12.29 | loxley_ | nsadmin: yeps |
| 11:12.39 | nsadmin | and you want them all to have the same config? |
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| 11:13.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | and they already have all the same configuration? |
| 11:13.21 | loxley_ | nsadmin: no, that i take care of with cfagent. but the thing is that there are some questions that i want to answer yes to and some to answer no to |
| 11:13.45 | nsadmin | this is starting to sound like a custom app |
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| 11:15.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | preseeding is only for the initial installation with the installer |
| 11:16.29 | nsadmin | I suppose you could somehow preload the debconf db with answers to the questions |
| 11:16.36 | poisonbit | preseeding has a late_command that can work into /target |
| 11:17.08 | loxley_ | nsadmin: yes i thought of that, would that be with debconf set selections? |
| 11:17.17 | poisonbit | and hook a init script that autoremoves himself, if needed to make actions after first reboot |
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| 11:17.33 | nsadmin | never done it, so for specifics I defer to the docs |
| 11:17.58 | loxley_ | nsadmin: ok, but thanks for the help |
| 11:18.18 | nsadmin | even if it was shit fer brains, huh? :P |
| 11:18.26 | loxley_ | nsadmin: sorry :) |
| 11:18.52 | nsadmin | next time be a sicco in the first place :) |
| 11:19.33 | nsadmin | one of thoes Cs is supposed to be "complete"... |
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| 11:19.47 | loxley_ | nsadmin: ill try to ask in a sarcastic way next time |
| 11:19.51 | angel-tsankov | what is /etc/group- for? |
| 11:20.01 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 11:20.02 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 11:20.17 | nsadmin | angel-tsankov, probably a backup or other temp copy |
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| 11:22.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's really difficult to ask these type of questions, though :) |
| 11:22.29 | poisonbit | It's from the package base-passwd, but does not out in dpkg -S |
| 11:22.42 | nsadmin | it is? |
| 11:22.43 | poisonbit | it's referneced in man update-passwd |
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| 11:22.49 | poisonbit | referenced |
| 11:23.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | loxley_, look at fai and tell us if it can do what you want and with what efort |
| 11:23.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, sure, much easier to say "my debian don't works, halp!" |
| 11:24.07 | nsadmin | "Can haz uh debi an pleez?" |
| 11:24.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | halp! kthux |
| 11:24.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I guess you dont know what I asked about dotty... |
| 11:25.33 | preds | I'm having trouble with a Debian machine running mdadm, it doesn't appear to make the device node during bootup. If I manually create the node the raid assembles just fine. Where in the boot process is the device node meant to be created? |
| 11:25.55 | nsadmin | I think I had graphviz once, and I ran into apt-something dotty |
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| 11:26.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-cache dotty |
| 11:26.32 | nsadmin | tried it by itself, after graphviz did something to it, it looked like a mess, maybe everything was ther |
| 11:26.44 | poisonbit | preds, devices... /etc/udev/* ? |
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| 11:26.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's kinda ugly |
| 11:27.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wondered if I could make something the like |
| 11:27.27 | nsadmin | yeah, it was definitely not a pretty graph like for a single package |
| 11:27.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, you have to run something like apt-cache -o 'APT::Cache::GivenOnly=1' dotty inkscape |
| 11:28.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that doesn't seem too useful either... goes one level of dependencies |
| 11:28.27 | poisonbit | http://collab-maint.alioth.debian.org/debtree/ |
| 11:28.48 | nsadmin | I think I built a later inkscape, maybe backported it |
| 11:29.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | poisonbit, thanks! |
| 11:29.07 | poisonbit | also there is that web thing... http://www.gnowledge.org/search_debmap?val=1 |
| 11:29.19 | poisonbit | try filling the input box with the package name |
| 11:31.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wondered if it's possible to display the full dependency tree in a way... but there's lots of packages, so it would need to be thought out well |
| 11:31.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | on the other hand, google earth can display the whole globe... so it's somewhat possible |
| 11:32.40 | tholl583xx | I need to login to hpsim using the system root passwd, but I only have sudo privileges, would it work to make a copy of the /etc/shadow file, change the passwd to something else, login and do my business and copy /etc/shadowow back? |
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| 11:33.40 | poisonbit | try sudo passwd to put a pass to root, then simply su with that passwd |
| 11:33.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Posterdati, hehe... tried it with inkscape again... http://www.gnowledge.org/Data/debian/inkscape_depmap.png |
| 11:34.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | err poisonbit |
| 11:34.28 | Posterdati | ok |
| 11:34.28 | tholl583xx | yeah, but I need the root password to go back to what it was, so the server can be admined with the password if necessary |
| 11:34.35 | poisonbit | CutMeOwnThroat, can dependencies be readed from UDD ? |
| 11:34.48 | poisonbit | then somthing like SQL::Translator::Producer::GraphViz shold do the job |
| 11:34.56 | poisonbit | (perl, CPAN.org) |
| 11:35.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | UDD? |
| 11:35.39 | poisonbit | Ultimate Debian Database, I don't know it exactly, and i don't know if it has dependency info |
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| 11:36.29 | poisonbit | else... any high level language that has a class to work on .dot files, and try to glue the output of debtree |
| 11:38.14 | poisonbit | lol inkskape dep. grap. doesn't feet in 1920x1200 |
| 11:38.21 | nsadmin | judd is udd |
| 11:39.00 | jelly | whud? |
| 11:39.19 | beardy | Fudd it. |
| 11:39.31 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 11:39.31 | dpkg | <Zap-W> what is DD <greycat> ~DD <dpkg> it has been said that dd is a Debian Developer <Zap-W> KK <Zap-W> why the abriviation <lazarus> Zap-W: why any abbreviation? to shorten! <Zap-W> lazarus: it alienates ppl <greycat> Zap-W: you can't complain about abbreviations AND THEN USE THEM in the same sentence. <Zap-W> suck bananas <asg> ~fruitsmite Zap-W * dpkg smites Zap-W with a dozen pineapples |
| 11:39.31 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: there's a debtree utility for this |
| 11:39.52 | themill | ,info debtree sid |
| 11:39.53 | judd | Package debtree (utils, optional) in sid/i386: package dependency graphs on steroids. Version: 1.0.6; Size: 20.6k; Installed: 116k; Homepage: http://collab-maint.alioth.debian.org/debtree/ |
| 11:40.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, yes, poisonbit already said, thanks... looking at it... I always wondered about a graphical representation a bit |
| 11:40.36 | beardy | Long time since one saw a proper fruitsmite. |
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| 11:55.05 | Muisje | dpkg |
| 11:55.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt |
| 11:55.44 | Muisje | :p |
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| 11:56.19 | Muisje | What's the most easiest way, to make a backup of a (remote) system, reinstall the system and place back everything you had installed including all data. |
| 11:56.49 | orschiro | hi guys, I wanted to install debian testing using the daily snapshot from here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso . but the problem is how can I configure a wpa2 connection during installation? |
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| 11:57.45 | llutz | Muisje: rsync + dpkg --get-selections |
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| 12:03.17 | bassliner | hello, can i somehow clean the apt cache so i don't get any "Ign:" when doin aptitude update? thanks. |
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| 12:04.30 | dokma | guys... can anyone tell me how can I find out the gateway of a running and connected machine? I'm trying to recreate interfaces from a machine running a rescue image. I got into this situation after transfering system to the bare metal. |
| 12:04.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | /sbin/route -n |
| 12:04.50 | poisonbit | bassliner, are the Ign: lines in /var/lib/apt/lists/ ? try rm |
| 12:04.58 | dokma | CutMeOwnThroat: tx |
| 12:05.39 | poisonbit | if the machine has multiple touting tables (i.e. a firewall) use ip route show table all |
| 12:05.55 | poisonbit | s/touting/routing/ |
| 12:06.04 | dokma | CutMeOwnThroat: do you know the same trick for nameservers? |
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| 12:06.17 | themill | bassliner: Ign means missing but ignored. It doesn't mean that the data was cached. (that would be Hit) |
| 12:06.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | dokma, look in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 12:07.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | poisonbit/themill heh... debtree was what I was looking for... looks absolutely horrible, though :) |
| 12:09.25 | bassliner | themill: what you mean by "missing but ignored"? |
| 12:10.25 | themill | bassliner: the file doesn't exist on the mirror but it's an optional file so it's not a problem that it's missing. There's no error (that would be labelled Err). |
| 12:11.30 | notKlaatu | what's the appropriate way to boot into text mode? i have renamed rc3.d/S22kdm to K01kdm, and set default runlevel to 3 in inittab. still booting to X though. |
| 12:11.55 | abrotman | !tell notKlaatu about nodm |
| 12:12.05 | abrotman | and in debian, runlevels 2-5 are the same .. and 2 is the default |
| 12:12.20 | bassliner | themill: so what's causing a file missing on the mirror that is listed in a sources.lst file? |
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| 12:12.47 | bassliner | themill: sorry if my questions seem stupid to someone being much into apt. |
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| 12:13.04 | notKlaatu | thanks abrotman very helpful |
| 12:13.13 | abrotman | was that sarcasm? |
| 12:13.22 | abrotman | is losing touch with today's youth |
| 12:14.04 | Xanbreon | Dam wippersnappers |
| 12:14.30 | notKlaatu | abrotman: no, io |
| 12:14.37 | notKlaatu | abrotman: no, i'm removing it now |
| 12:14.42 | notKlaatu | i anticipate great results. |
| 12:16.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | great things are afoot! |
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| 12:17.20 | babilen | Xanbreon: :-D |
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| 12:32.16 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 12:32.31 | lenswipe | apt-get and aptitude is trying to remove gnome when i use them, can someone help? |
| 12:32.37 | lenswipe | http://pastebin.com/b8WDh2PW |
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| 12:33.27 | binarym | lenswipe: no problem in what i can read ... |
| 12:33.42 | binarym | "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required" doesn't mean "i will remove this packages" |
| 12:34.20 | binarym | suggestion : put your system in your mother language ... |
| 12:34.46 | babilen | lenswipe: You might want to tell us what you did and what you are trying to achieve. I would say that you somehow caused the removal of the "gnome" metapackage and complain about the proposed removal of other packages you actually want to keep. |
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| 12:35.34 | lenswipe | babilen, lots of people have told me that ive somehow removed the gnome meta package, im not sure how and im not sure how to put it back and nobody will tell me |
| 12:35.37 | themill | lenswipe: just do exactly the same as you were told on Sept 24. You may like to enable logging in your client. |
| 12:35.55 | lenswipe | themill, see above |
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| 12:36.18 | SaRy | Just want to say .. |
| 12:36.19 | lenswipe | the last time someone tried to help me fix it, it resulted in the complete removal of gnome |
| 12:36.31 | SaRy | Thank you , Debian developer ! |
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| 12:37.15 | babilen | lenswipe: I guess that you were given all the necessary information already. But you might want to ask dpkg about "install gnome" and "unmarkauto". I would suggest installing one of the lighter gnome metapackages and unmarkautoing the rest. |
| 12:37.49 | lenswipe | babilen, thanks, but i have no idea how to do that |
| 12:37.56 | SaRy | Just installed D squeeze , and now working on wifi confg .. hope things go well. |
| 12:38.05 | ondrejk | hello, i'm using mc in urxvt, when i press shift+f6, it doesnt work, instead of dialog for renaming file i see prompt similiar to that one which will appear after pressing meta-! |
| 12:39.45 | dokma | can anyone tell me what these two lines do? |
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| 12:39.51 | dokma | up route add -host 217.20.117.1 dev eth0 |
| 12:39.51 | dokma | up route add default gw 217.20.117.1 |
| 12:40.08 | binarym | dokma: when the interface come up |
| 12:40.11 | lenswipe | babilen, its a very special distribution that randomly decides to remove stuff :p |
| 12:40.12 | binarym | 2 routes are added |
| 12:40.33 | binarym | the first force access to host specified by eth0 |
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| 12:40.38 | abrotman | dokma: man route ? |
| 12:40.47 | binarym | the second one setup the default gateway |
| 12:40.52 | dokma | abrotman: it's too complex for me to get it all now |
| 12:40.52 | themill | lenswipe: it's doing exactly what you ask it to do. |
| 12:40.59 | binarym | but abrotman is right: read the manpage :) |
| 12:40.59 | babilen | lenswipe: For example: "aptitude keep-all" "aptitude install gnome-core" and "aptitude unmarkauto pkg1 pkg2 ... pkgN" where pkg1 - pkgN are packages you want to keep. |
| 12:41.00 | abrotman | right .. reading docs is hard |
| 12:41.14 | lenswipe | themill, i did *NOT* ask it to try and remove all the gnome components, i got 2 machines doing this |
| 12:41.23 | binarym | abrotman: everything is hard in life ... |
| 12:41.32 | abrotman | no, that's not true |
| 12:41.39 | binarym | you want to do sysadmin task, you have to read doc |
| 12:41.40 | themill | lenswipe: you asked it to remove something that the gnome package Depends on. That means you asked it to remove gnome. |
| 12:41.41 | dokma | binarym: this is the situation... I've transfered my system to bare metal and booted rescue mode. Do you know how can I verify that I entered correct addresses in interfaces? |
| 12:41.41 | babilen | lenswipe: And no, aptitude will not randomly remove packages, but does exactly what you asks it do to. The problem might be that you fail to communicate your wishes correctly. |
| 12:42.08 | binarym | ifconfig ? |
| 12:42.12 | lenswipe | babilen, as i said before 2 machines are trying to remove gnome, i have never removed the gnome meta package on any of them |
| 12:42.17 | lenswipe | babilen, i mean, why would i? |
| 12:42.21 | dokma | yes... that's where I pulled the basic info |
| 12:42.26 | themill | lenswipe: what's the output of "apt-cache policy gnome" then? |
| 12:42.31 | dokma | and the gateway from 'route -n' |
| 12:42.37 | dokma | so that should be correct I guess... |
| 12:42.52 | dokma | I'll try to reboot the machine and see if I can connect |
| 12:42.57 | lenswipe | themill, http://pastebin.com/95sVj7wK |
| 12:43.06 | babilen | lenswipe: Read what themill just said. You most certainly removed a dependency of the gnome metapackage (probably installed by the Desktop task during installation) |
| 12:43.21 | themill | lenswipe: I know what it says already. I want *you* to read it and think about it. |
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| 12:44.03 | SaRy | i installed 'firmware-iwlwifi' and when i load the kernel module with .. modprobe iwl3945 or modprobe iwl4965 .. i get "FATAL: Module iw13945 not found." |
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| 12:44.20 | lenswipe | themill, i read it... |
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| 12:44.25 | themill | SaRy: that should be a lowercase L not a 1 |
| 12:44.31 | lenswipe | themill, it tells me that gnome is installed and it gives me the version number |
| 12:44.35 | lenswipe | basically |
| 12:44.37 | themill | lenswipe: does it? |
| 12:44.50 | abrotman | SaRy: that's an L not a one |
| 12:44.53 | lenswipe | themill, doesnt it? |
| 12:44.59 | stew | lenswipe: Installed: (none) |
| 12:45.03 | abrotman | SaRy: but you probably want iwlagn ? |
| 12:45.03 | dokma | One more thing... How can I tell if /dev/sda1 is going to be mapped to hd(0,0) in menu.lst by grub? |
| 12:45.04 | themill | lenswipe: read line 2 of your own paste really really carefully |
| 12:45.14 | dokma | that is (hd0,0) |
| 12:45.19 | lenswipe | right |
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| 12:45.30 | lenswipe | themill, so maybe apt-get install gnome would be a good start? |
| 12:45.31 | SaRy | themill, thanks .. but witch L-l . |
| 12:45.41 | SaRy | abrotman, probably yes. |
| 12:46.03 | babilen | lenswipe: I already provided the (IMHO) best way to deal with the situation. Take a look at your log files to figure out how you ended up in this situation. |
| 12:47.12 | dokma | lenswipe: doing this in aptitude? |
| 12:47.17 | lenswipe | dokma, apt-get |
| 12:47.36 | dokma | try aptitude and press g to see which modifications will it attempt |
| 12:47.40 | lenswipe | babilen, you said if i recall that i need to installl the meta package, im asking if apt-get install gnome will do that |
| 12:47.43 | babilen | lenswipe: I very much dislike the "gnome" metapackage because it pulls in a plethora of packages which can't be removed individually. I would therefore start with one of the smaller metapackages (gnome-core/gnome-desktop-environment) and install/unmarkauto additional packages. So, nuff said |
| 12:47.47 | dokma | then you can revert them using a collon on the package |
| 12:47.54 | lenswipe | dokma, i already know which modifications it will attempt |
| 12:47.59 | lenswipe | babilen, okay |
| 12:48.04 | SaRy | sorry , still lost .. |
| 12:48.04 | stew | lenswipe: yes "apt-get install gnome" will install gnome |
| 12:48.13 | babilen | lenswipe: But yes "aptitude install gnome" is *one* solution |
| 12:48.23 | stew | lenswipe: but its likely removed from your system because it would include some dependency which you have decided to remove in the past |
| 12:48.29 | dokma | lenswipe: so when it tries those simply press colon on the package and it will remove the attempted change |
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| 12:49.02 | lenswipe | okay |
| 12:49.17 | lenswipe | as a side note is it possible to log a user in via gdm from command line? |
| 12:49.31 | dokma | or it might inform you that a particular package must be removed due to a lacking dependency |
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| 12:49.42 | dokma | in which case you need to install the dependency to keep the package |
| 12:49.55 | lenswipe | asin is there a command i can type that will log me in on the box via GDM so i can VNC in and test this out |
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| 12:52.19 | dokma | Anyone knows how GRUB determines what is (hd0,0) ?? |
| 12:52.22 | lenswipe | babilen, the gnome-desktop-environment seemed to fix things up |
| 12:52.50 | dokma | Is there some way to tell GRUB to print it's mapping... |
| 12:52.51 | babilen | lenswipe: Which is the reason why I suggested it |
| 12:53.08 | lenswipe | :) |
| 12:53.15 | lenswipe | babilen, lets see if that works on my other box |
| 12:53.23 | SPF | dokma: first partition on the first disk grub finds |
| 12:53.46 | dokma | SPF: how do I know what is first disk to GRUB? |
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| 12:57.32 | SPF | dokma: during setup of your OS you should have a list of disks. |
| 12:59.02 | SPF | dokma: otherwise you can use e during grub bootup to try differend configurations |
| 12:59.03 | dokma | SPF: I might have multiple devices at the same time... my question is how GRUB determines what is FIRST |
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| 12:59.18 | dokma | SPF: it's a remote machine... a dedicated box |
| 13:02.03 | SPF | you could use UUID in grub to be sure to boot from the specific device |
| 13:02.19 | SPF | have to go afk sorry |
| 13:02.21 | SPF | afk |
| 13:02.23 | dokma | SPF: I see... tx! |
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| 13:04.05 | Enverex | Is anyone using SGFXI on 64bit? It's working fine for normal use but I'm not sure it's installing the 32bit support libraries (if they have their own channel then please let me know) |
| 13:04.17 | robokop | my dmesg is full of lines like these : http://pastebin.com/0BNb16GS, any idea what may cause this? |
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| 13:06.29 | binarym | robokop: firt link on google with your first line as search: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1257067 |
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| 13:07.08 | binarym | thought that googling was easier than connecting irc ... |
| 13:07.31 | nsadmin | if you're already connected to irc... |
| 13:07.50 | nsadmin | then it's infinitely easier :) |
| 13:08.17 | SlayerXP | Robinux: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ACPI%3A+EC%3A+input+buffer+is+not+empty%2C+aborting+transaction |
| 13:08.23 | SlayerXP | err robokop even |
| 13:08.29 | SlayerXP | damn you autocompletion |
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| 13:10.15 | binarym | SlayerXP: this website is just super nice :) |
| 13:10.29 | binarym | bookmark, for co-workers ... |
| 13:10.46 | nsadmin | you have co-ws? |
| 13:10.59 | binarym | hmmm |
| 13:11.06 | nsadmin | moo-oo? |
| 13:11.09 | SlayerXP | binarym :) |
| 13:11.17 | binarym | if it means "people with whom i work" yeah ... but now i'm not sure :/ |
| 13:11.27 | SlayerXP | see also cow-orkers |
| 13:11.34 | lenswipe | guys is there usually a problem with the debian-multimedia public key? |
| 13:11.37 | lenswipe | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.debian-multimedia.org stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 13:11.38 | lenswipe | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
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| 13:12.09 | nsadmin | floods red sludge on lenswipe :P |
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| 13:12.15 | stew | lenswipe: that's not a problem with the key, that's a problem that you having verified with apt-key that you truse this key |
| 13:12.26 | stew | ^truse^trust |
| 13:12.48 | stew | lenswipe: i believe there are instructions about this on the debian-multimedia homepage |
| 13:12.51 | lenswipe | dodges nsadmin's red sludge |
| 13:12.58 | lenswipe | stew, okay cool, thanks ;) |
| 13:13.09 | nsadmin | no fair... couldn't dodge ur flood! |
| 13:14.13 | lenswipe | nsadmin, XD |
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| 13:21.17 | fbs | :P |
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| 13:32.44 | tapoxi | Hi all, I'm having time issues and getting "set_rtc_mmss: can't update from 6 to 59" spammed all over my console. While I'd like to fix that, the console spam is actually far more annoying to me. Any way to prevent the kernel from doing that and instead having it just write to syslog? |
| 13:34.27 | cahoot | tapoxi: look into /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 13:35.30 | tapoxi | cahoot: Thanks! |
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| 13:40.49 | SaRy | got it ,, just had to log out ! |
| 13:41.00 | SaRy | Wifi working now . |
| 13:45.10 | rahsputin | Hi! I have a USB SOUND CARD ---> http://pastebin.com/T5Lreiis and a 2.6.32-5-686 Kernel ... using $ alsamixer -c 1 i have sound, but i cannot get the sound to come on using, for example mplayer, or any other player |
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| 13:45.34 | cahoot | make the app use alsas hw:1 |
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| 13:46.26 | v4nelle | guys if i want to install debian testing,i must download testing weekly iso,or a stable iso and do expert installation? |
| 13:46.57 | dokma | I still can't get my dedicated box to go online when booted, can anyone see anything wrong with /etc/network/interfaces here: http://pastebin.com/8m6nsYZs |
| 13:46.57 | rahsputin | cahoot: TerraTec Electronic GmbH Aureon Dual USB |
| 13:47.07 | dokma | I attached route -n and ifconfig |
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| 13:47.27 | SaRy | I am also thinking about upgrade to squeeze .. is it okay. |
| 13:47.28 | dokma | when running the rescue |
| 13:47.41 | rahsputin | cahoot: oops, i meant, isn't there any other way to set the USB-Sound-Card as Default ? |
| 13:47.56 | cahoot | rahsputin: like mplaye -ao alsa:hw:1 (IIRC) |
| 13:48.24 | cahoot | rahsputin: you can give snd-usb-audio index 0 if you want it as default |
| 13:48.48 | cahoot | rahsputin: as a moduleoption |
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| 13:50.20 | rahsputin | cahoot: yoo, thanx, i'll try that, i havent any success yet with the mplayer command, but i'll i think i am on the right path ;-) |
| 13:50.40 | cahoot | rahsputin: yould do like this: echo 'Options snd-usb-audio index=0' >> /etc/modprobe.d/options |
| 13:50.58 | cahoot | then alsa force-reload |
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| 13:53.22 | iluminator101 | i dont have foo file sure it would make foo.r1.rar to foo.r10.rar and it did |
| 13:53.31 | Sonderblade | i have a specific command that needs to be run on startup "nohup python blah.py &" how can i make that happen without having to create a full-blown init.d start-stop daemon script? |
| 13:54.12 | fbs | cron @ reboot? |
| 13:56.58 | babilen | Sonderblade: What is wrong with a start-stop script? Take a look at /etc/rc.local and /etc/init.d/skeleton. |
| 13:57.54 | babilen | Sonderblade: It sounds as if you want to use /etc/rc.local, but it might be a good idea to provide the possibility to stop the daemon as well, which, however, depends on your needs. |
| 13:58.43 | Sonderblade | babilen: thanks rc.local seem to be what i want yes |
| 13:58.56 | babilen | Have fun then :) |
| 14:00.33 | Sonderblade | there has to be something better than init.d because that is to hard |
| 14:01.36 | Sonderblade | isn't rc.local run multiple times at upstart? |
| 14:01.55 | Sonderblade | i only want the command run once |
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| 14:04.53 | babilen | Sonderblade: "This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel" -- "grep -re "rc.local" /etc/ will show you where it is called. |
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| 14:07.36 | stew | though I notice that on this machine at least, rc.local got moved to S18 |
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| 14:09.46 | dkr | is there a decent alternative to minicom for simply connecting to a serial console? I see lots of unrelated stuff in aptitude search ~dserial heh |
| 14:10.14 | petemc | screen |
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| 14:11.54 | dkr | ah, cool. although I'm suspecting something wrong with my cable at this point, would be nice to verify not software misconfiguration issue |
| 14:12.01 | Sonderblade | babilen: that implies that the script can be run more than once at startup, or 0 times if there are no multiuser runlevels |
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| 14:13.19 | babilen | Sonderblade: I concur. You might want to either implement additional logic and/or adapt /etc/init.d/skeleton to your needs. (It's pretty easy to do so) |
| 14:17.37 | Sonderblade | Do NOT "set -e" |
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| 14:22.01 | ronr | hi, I'm planning on building a server cluster with several debian boxes; I'm familair enough with most things involved but I'm looking for some guide / advice on how to achieve shared storage, could anyone point me to some starting point? |
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| 14:23.22 | babilen | ronr: AFS/NFS ? Or look into some of the cluster FS like PVFS ... |
| 14:24.01 | ae86-drifter | hi, i am hoping that someone here maybe able to help. My system wont boot, I get this message: according to mtab, none is already mounted on /lib/init/rw ; mountall: mount /lib/init/rw terminated with exit status 1. Thanks |
| 14:24.04 | ronr | babilen: thx... will start googling now |
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| 14:51.37 | eshat | aahhhh I want digikam 1.5.0 :D |
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| 14:55.52 | nickaugust | hey |
| 14:57.26 | babilen | eshat: You might want to install then. (look at "/msg dpkg uupdate") or compile the source from upstream |
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| 14:58.15 | eshat | babilen: woow, never heared about uupdate... thanks a lot |
| 14:58.23 | nickaugust | hey how do I create an img file? googles all cluttered up with boot disk articles... ive mounted an im and made some changes i want but how do i put it back into img format? |
| 14:58.56 | nickaugust | s/mounted an im/mounted an img/ |
| 14:59.42 | cahoot | mkisofs? |
| 15:00.12 | nickaugust | does mkiosfs work for img files? img=iso ??? |
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| 15:01.04 | fbs | dd ? |
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| 15:02.18 | babilen | s/mkisofs/genisofs/ -- btw |
| 15:02.32 | nickaugust | i figure its probably with dd but i dont know the switches to use or what |
| 15:04.16 | nickaugust | s/genisofs/genisoimage/ ??? |
| 15:04.31 | babilen | ah, yes :-\ |
| 15:04.37 | nickaugust | babilen: ^^ |
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| 15:05.07 | babilen | yes, it is genisoimage -- sorry |
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| 15:06.43 | nickaugust | i know you can make iso files and bootable isos specifying an img file to genisoimage and mkisofs but can they output the img files themselves? i dont see how to do that from the man pages |
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| 15:09.27 | homie | why is root (hd0,1) not sufficient for grub, it does not recognize the kernel line (or rather the kernel i want to boot into), i have to put kernel (hd0,1)/bla kernel (hd0,1)/blabla everywhere too in order too boot into the correct partition....or device |
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| 15:10.24 | homie | s/kernel/initrd/ for the second kernel above |
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| 15:11.56 | mark22 | Hello, what is a good solution to get IPv6 VRRP (VRRPv3) working on Debian? I want to use 2 Debian hosts as firewalls, but some automated failover for IPv6 (like VRRPv3) is required for us before we can start with IPv6. |
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| 15:16.54 | AL13N_work | does anyone know how i can have backports on a lenny? i need a larger iptables version |
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| 15:17.56 | stew | AL13N_work: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 15:18.23 | stew | AL13N_work: what kernel are you running? do you also need a newer kernel? (since iptables is really just manipuating the kernel) |
| 15:20.07 | AL13N_work | stew: normally the lenny kernel is fine for that |
| 15:20.33 | AL13N_work | iptables >= 1.4.3 is needed for xtables-addons |
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| 15:20.59 | jelly | ,versions iptables |
| 15:20.59 | judd | Package iptables on i386 -- etch: 1.3.6.0debian1-5; lenny: 1.4.2-6; squeeze: 1.4.8-3; sid: 1.4.9-1 |
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| 15:21.48 | AL13N_work | could anyone backport me eg: the squeeze version or something? |
| 15:22.00 | stew | AL13N_work: why can't you backport it? |
| 15:22.06 | olorin_ | AL13N_work looks like a familiar face... |
| 15:22.13 | jelly | AL13N_work: I wouldn't trust binaries offered by random people on irc |
| 15:22.15 | AL13N_work | stew: i've never backported debs before |
| 15:22.37 | stew | AL13N_work: why not give it a try? |
| 15:23.28 | tharkun | AL13N_work: iptables of squeeze works fine on lenny |
| 15:23.30 | AL13N_work | stew: it seems like quite a bunch of steps looking at the bot's message; and i don't really have a good machine to build for it |
| 15:23.39 | AL13N_work | tharkun: no problems with dependencies? |
| 15:23.41 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell AL13N_work about ssb |
| 15:23.44 | tharkun | none |
| 15:23.55 | tharkun | AL13N_work: at least on amd64 |
| 15:24.20 | stew | judd: depends iptables |
| 15:24.23 | judd | Package iptables -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1). |
| 15:24.33 | stew | judd: depends iptables --release squeeze |
| 15:24.35 | judd | Package iptables -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7), libnfnetlink0 (>= 1.0.0). |
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| 15:25.00 | stew | judd: info libnfnetlink0 --release lenny |
| 15:25.01 | AL13N_work | libc6 seems to be ok |
| 15:25.02 | judd | Package libnfnetlink0 (libs, optional) in lenny/i386: Netfilter netlink library. Version: 0.0.39-1; Size: 12.0k; Installed: 72k |
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| 15:25.10 | stew | libnfnetlink0 isn't |
| 15:25.15 | AL13N_work | indeed |
| 15:25.21 | jelly | depends are one thing, build-depends a different one |
| 15:25.27 | AL13N_work | olorin_: hehe, yeah, i need this for work |
| 15:25.51 | olorin_ | AL13N_work: So do I. |
| 15:26.10 | tharkun | AL13N_work: well i downloaded it over a year ago, so it might have changed a little ;P |
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| 15:26.24 | AL13N_work | olorin_: the same iptables? |
| 15:26.27 | stew | AL13N_work: libnfnetlink0 is on backports.debian.org though |
| 15:26.41 | olorin_ | AL13N_work: No, Debian. |
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| 15:26.44 | AL13N_work | stew: ah thanks, i'll check |
| 15:28.00 | AL13N_work | no offense, but imo; mandriva has less work to build a backport; but then at home i have various installed machines ready on diff versions |
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| 15:28.49 | tharkun | AL13N_work: It is indeed a matter of perspective |
| 15:29.11 | AL13N_work | tharkun: yeah, and if you have a buildserver you can use |
| 15:29.28 | themill | AL13N_work: a build server isn't necessary at all |
| 15:29.35 | stew | AL13N_work: "apt-get -b source iptables" |
| 15:29.49 | stew | AL13N_work: well after "apt-get build-dep iptables" |
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| 15:29.54 | stew | its really not a lot of work |
| 15:29.58 | AL13N_work | themill: i'm not talking about necessary; more like easyness |
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| 15:30.07 | AL13N_work | stew: i've read the bot's message |
| 15:30.19 | stew | ok? |
| 15:30.24 | themill | AL13N_work: umm... we're talking about issuing 2 commands. You can't get much easier than that. |
| 15:30.33 | AL13N_work | stew: i would prefer not to fiddle with sources on my table production machine |
| 15:30.56 | themill | You don't need to. |
| 15:31.03 | tharkun | AL13N_work: Actually you need a build environment which is usually easier the more you do it |
| 15:31.06 | AL13N_work | stew: i'll try to install the libnfnetlink backport and the squeeze version of iptables and see if that works |
| 15:31.17 | eshat | I remember the possibility to build a debian package in a chroot, how was that called ? |
| 15:31.19 | olorin_ | tharkun: Virtually? |
| 15:31.19 | cusco | I am using exim + dovecot and emails are showing with wrong charset... any hints? |
| 15:31.26 | tharkun | olorin_: usually |
| 15:31.31 | stew | eshat: pbuilder / cowbuilder? |
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| 15:31.44 | tharkun | cusco: Check your mua |
| 15:31.45 | eshat | stew: ahh thanks |
| 15:31.55 | themill | AL13N_work: and you consider that to be less hassle? Ok. Have fun. You're making your own life much harder than it needs to be. |
| 15:32.00 | AL13N_work | i like how in mdv you can just use "bm" to build what you want |
| 15:32.04 | cusco | tharkun: mail user agent? |
| 15:32.12 | tharkun | cusco: bingo :) |
| 15:32.45 | stew | AL13N_work: so if I install a frech copy of mandriva, i can type "bm" and get a backported iptables package, without messing with source, or without having to do any other setup? |
| 15:32.45 | themill | AL13N_work: you can in debian too. You're just refusing to do so. There's not much anyone in #debian can do about it if you don't want to use the tools that are available. |
| 15:34.32 | olorin_ | AL13N_work: Instead of discussing and nagging, do it. ;) You remind me of that Swedish guy now... |
| 15:34.53 | tharkun | olorin_: Don't summon him please |
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| 15:37.02 | olorin_ | tharkun: AL13N_work? He knows what and who I mean. |
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| 15:38.26 | Robinux | heya guys how can i change resolution, "xrandr --size 1024x768" doesn't seem to work |
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| 15:39.42 | stew | Robinux: don't you want --mode instead of --size? |
| 15:39.53 | tharkun | Robinux: check that your mode you want is available |
| 15:40.55 | swrh | Robinux: what error do you get when you run that command? |
| 15:41.51 | Robinux | umm |
| 15:42.23 | Robinux | keep in mind its on Vbox |
| 15:42.47 | Robinux | and the error is that it doesn't exist in available modes, the weird thing is when i run xrandr alone it does show it as available |
| 15:43.43 | olorin_ | and the guest additions is properly installed? |
| 15:44.01 | Robinux | but i'm thinking this isn't debian's fault i gotta check things in the vbox settings then i'll retry "xrandr" |
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| 15:44.53 | emerson | how can I set my screen resolution...? |
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| 15:46.21 | Robinux | no kidding |
| 15:46.29 | Robinux | what a coincidence i was just asking about that emerson |
| 15:46.31 | emerson | I went to : system>preferences>screen resolution> but is disable |
| 15:46.51 | emerson | Robinux: you see you won't the only one ..lol... |
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| 15:47.14 | Robinux | run xrandr and see the available modes, if you're not in a virtual machine it should be done with "xrandr --size 1024x768" for example |
| 15:47.36 | Robinux | and should be possible on a vm after making sure your vm settings are all right |
| 15:49.23 | emerson | Robinux: right I have to re-edit you mean ...but I have no clue how to do it ... |
| 15:49.42 | swrh | Robinux: you shouldn't specify the resolution with --size argument |
| 15:50.00 | swrh | Robinux: i mean, you mustn't. you must use its index |
| 15:50.02 | eshat | how can I build an updated package (updated in upstream) with pbuilder ? I user uupdate to update the source, but a dsc file is missing |
| 15:50.35 | swrh | Robinux: like, xrandr -s 1 |
| 15:50.38 | eshat | s/suer/used |
| 15:50.43 | swrh | Robinux: got it? |
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| 15:51.18 | swrh | oops.. i think i'm mistaken |
| 15:51.28 | swrh | but that should also work. please try it. |
| 15:52.07 | emerson | swrh: what do I have to do then ? can you show, please ? |
| 15:52.17 | Robinux | oh ok |
| 15:52.58 | swrh | emerson: try "xrandr" and see if your desired resolution is shown |
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| 15:54.16 | emerson | swrh: right let me see .. |
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| 15:55.28 | swrh | Robinux: did it work? |
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| 15:57.39 | emerson | swrh: now isn't there ..I want 1600X900 |
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| 15:58.02 | tharkun | emerson: man cvt |
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| 15:59.12 | swrh | tharkun: heh.. that will hurt a bit for a gui user ;) |
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| 15:59.45 | simonrvn | banmaster flash, er richih |
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| 15:59.56 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 16:00.11 | RichiH | simonrvn: i gotta make this sound cool _somehow_ |
| 16:00.15 | tharkun | swrh: erhhmm small generalization from my part |
| 16:00.23 | simonrvn | of course, and i was helping ;) |
| 16:00.29 | dokma | guys... my dedicated box is driving me nuts... I can't figure out where I went wrong in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:00.42 | dokma | can anyone check this out: http://pastebin.com/8m6nsYZs |
| 16:00.57 | tharkun | RichiH: there is this banmaster spamming the channel could you pleas bann him ;P |
| 16:01.32 | dokma | the /etc/network/interfaces is the one I'm building and the output of route -n and ifconfig is when the box is runnin rescue mode |
| 16:01.50 | emerson | tharkun: the screen resolution is disable how can I unable it ? |
| 16:01.54 | dokma | abrotman: you got a minute for this? |
| 16:02.41 | sataan1337 | hi, i got a little problem while trying with shell scripts, maybe someone here got an idear ^^ - i got the line "setfacl -Rm u: $USER :rwx $NAME" but i think the spaces are causing some problems (output of this is "setfacl: Option -m incomplete" - anyone here got an idear about this? (ps. sry for mistakes in the language, my english is not the best) |
| 16:02.44 | stew | dokma: what is the problem? |
| 16:03.04 | dokma | stew I can't ssh into the box once I boot it normally |
| 16:03.13 | dokma | when it is running rescue mode everything is fine |
| 16:03.13 | tharkun | emerson: Let me look for a url that explains it pretty well |
| 16:03.37 | simonrvn | sataan1337: for one thing, you can do u:${USER} just fine.. |
| 16:03.48 | dokma | stew: so I figured there should be a way to build a correct /etc/network/interfaces from the output of route -n and ifconfig when the machine is running rescue mode |
| 16:03.51 | emerson | tharkun: thanks man.... |
| 16:03.57 | dokma | stew: am I correct in this assumption? |
| 16:04.28 | stew | dokma: why can't you ssh in when you boot normally? do you get an error? |
| 16:04.51 | sataan1337 | @simonrvn thank you, worked ^^ |
| 16:04.54 | dokma | I think that the box does not have connection when it's booted normally |
| 16:04.55 | emerson | tharkun: I've been looking for that too but I couldn't find any .....till now .. |
| 16:05.06 | dokma | I think there is something wrong in /etc/network/interfaces ... |
| 16:05.25 | dokma | but I don't know how to verify because I don't have access to the box when it boots normally... |
| 16:05.32 | stew | dokma: how do you know if the box has a connection? |
| 16:05.48 | simonrvn | sataan1337: the var "wrapping" in {} helps to make them clear, and insurance (esp. with the "") |
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| 16:06.01 | dokma | I don't I just know I cannot ssh into the box even though sshd is running |
| 16:06.11 | stew | dokma: do you get an error? can you ping it? |
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| 16:06.26 | dokma | I didn't try a ping |
| 16:06.30 | dokma | let me reboot it now... |
| 16:06.49 | AL13N_work | thanks guys, it seems to work pretty well |
| 16:06.53 | eshat | how can I remove the pbuilder chroot ? |
| 16:07.41 | AL13N_work | stew: you got a point |
| 16:07.45 | AL13N_work | themill: you too |
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| 16:08.01 | AL13N_work | olorin_: please don't compare me to the mandriva mascotte |
| 16:08.11 | AL13N_work | later, gtg home |
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| 16:10.02 | dokma | stew: so I rebooted 3 minutes ago and still no ping |
| 16:10.12 | dokma | I suppose that means the machine has no connection |
| 16:10.40 | stew | dokma: what happens when you try to ssh to it? |
| 16:10.48 | stew | dokma: can you ping it when it is in "rescue mode"? |
| 16:11.08 | olorin_ | AL13N_work: It did make you work. :-p |
| 16:11.11 | dokma | ssh root@178.162.174.92 |
| 16:11.11 | dokma | it just sits there blocked |
| 16:11.27 | dokma | I'll reboot into rescue mode now |
| 16:11.34 | stew | dokma: wait |
| 16:11.36 | dokma | stew: try a ping now and see for your self |
| 16:11.38 | stew | dokma: hwo are you rebooting it/ |
| 16:11.47 | stew | dokma: do you have a shell on the machine? |
| 16:11.55 | dokma | I can go into rescue mode from web interface |
| 16:12.08 | dokma | once I get into rescue mode I can ssh into the machine and get a root shell |
| 16:12.22 | stew | dokma: is this web interface running from the machine? or from an ilo card? or what? |
| 16:12.37 | dokma | it's the hosters control panel |
| 16:12.42 | dokma | it's not on the machine |
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| 16:13.41 | dokma | I'll go into rescue mode now... |
| 16:13.47 | dokma | and you can try the ping and ssh then... |
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| 16:18.05 | dokma | stew: it's in the rescue and I can get a ping now |
| 16:19.03 | dokma | stew: do you know if this is true: if I execute traceroute 178.162.174.92 should the last machine before 178.162.174.92 be my gateway?? |
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| 16:20.09 | stew | dokma: not necessarily, and even if it was your gateway, you'd not be seeing the ip address you use as the gateway address, since you'd be seing the "other side" of your gateway |
| 16:20.35 | dokma | stew: aahhh... I see... I'm in the rescue mode root shell now |
| 16:20.42 | dokma | stew: what would you do in my place? |
| 16:21.28 | stew | dokma: what does /sbin/runlevel return? |
| 16:21.41 | dokma | N 2 |
| 16:22.36 | stew | i'd figure out what rescue mode is then, and what the difference between "booting normally" and "booting into rescue mode" actually means |
| 16:22.53 | stew | i'd also find out if I could get a serial console onto the box |
| 16:22.56 | dokma | stew: that's what I'm trying to do right now... |
| 16:23.08 | stew | this is hard to debug when you can't look at the machine when the problem is actually occuring |
| 16:23.20 | dokma | exactly my point ... |
| 16:23.45 | dokma | the 'rescue mode' that I'm in right now does run sshd and I can mount the /dev/sda1 |
| 16:24.06 | dokma | thus I do have access to the file system so I assume that this rescue mode must be ran on the machine itself... |
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| 16:24.46 | dokma | stew: that's why I assumed I should be able to rebuild /etc/network/interfaces from the network settings of the machine while it is in the rescue mode |
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| 16:26.45 | Robinux | heya guys, dkms should install with "apt-get install dkms" right? |
| 16:27.12 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: It looks very likely that the configuration is coming from DHCP - that would be common in that kind of environment. |
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| 16:28.02 | stew | jhutchins_lt: what makes you think that? |
| 16:28.04 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: That should be fairly simple to set up from the interfaces man page. |
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| 16:28.18 | jhutchins_lt | stew: He got a valid network configuration from a rescue mode. |
| 16:28.30 | stew | jhutchins_lt: what is "a rescue mode"? |
| 16:28.31 | jhutchins_lt | stew: It's also how I'd build the system if I were the ISP. |
| 16:28.35 | stew | jhutchins_lt: and how do you know it came from dhcp? |
| 16:28.44 | dokma | jhutchins: the problem is I don't know the values to put in it |
| 16:28.45 | Robinux | dkms should install with "apt-get install dkms" right? |
| 16:28.46 | stew | and btw, his interfaces file setup seems fine |
| 16:29.08 | jhutchins_lt | Because if I were running an ISP I wouldn't configure every machine twice, once for normal and once for rescue. |
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| 16:29.27 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: Just set it up for a standard dhcp interface. |
| 16:29.27 | stew | Robinux: that is a correct command to install a dkms package, however note that dkms isn't in stable |
| 16:29.53 | jhutchins_lt | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 16:29.58 | Robinux | oh so that must be it |
| 16:30.00 | Robinux | i'm on lenny |
| 16:30.06 | Robinux | and its not finding it |
| 16:30.11 | dokma | jhutchins_lt, stew: here is the output of route -n and ifconfig in rescue mode and also my attempt at /etc/network/interfaces : http://pastebin.com/8m6nsYZs |
| 16:30.16 | stew | Robinux: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 16:30.21 | onur | Hi. I have two squeeze machine. One of them has a dns resolution problem. It's doing a dns resolution in 4-5 second. Other machine doesn't have any problem. I am using same nameservers in both machine. Do you have any idea? |
| 16:30.25 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: Try ps ax |
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| 16:30.33 | jhutchins_lt | er, ps ax | grep dhcp |
| 16:30.44 | jhutchins_lt | (pipe key next to enter, sorry) |
| 16:30.47 | dokma | jhutchins_lt: I'll try that as well |
| 16:30.49 | stew | onur: is /etc/nsswitch.conf the same on both? |
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| 16:30.51 | dokma | I allready tried ps |
| 16:31.13 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: That should confirm that dhclient is running; or you can just use the above and try a reboot. |
| 16:31.14 | dokma | in the rescue mode... it's just ttys, shell and sshd |
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| 16:31.42 | dokma | there is no dhclient |
| 16:31.46 | jhutchins_lt | Odd emulation then. |
| 16:32.07 | stew | jhutchins_lt: and your hypothesis is that he can't use the address given by dhcp if he configures it statically? that somehow the router knows how the ip addresss was assigned? |
| 16:32.13 | onur | stew: I cant access both machines right now. Current machine has this problem and /etc/nsswitch.conf file is: http://paste.debian.net/95882/ |
| 16:32.15 | jhutchins_lt | Still, I'd try the dhcp set up. If that doesn't work, you really need to talk to your ISP's support people because you do not have a standard hardware setup. |
| 16:32.37 | dokma | ok... I'll try the dhcp first |
| 16:32.37 | jhutchins_lt | stew: No. |
| 16:32.50 | stew | no? |
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| 16:33.20 | stew | he has an ip addres that works. he has his interfaces file setup correctly for that IP |
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| 16:33.33 | dokma | jhutchins_lt: there is one more problem... the system that I transfered to the bare metal was running without dhcp so I don't have dhclient installed on it |
| 16:33.41 | dokma | so it won't work for sure.... |
| 16:33.47 | flaggy | hello, is there a way to create a mirror repository in a pendrive with build-essential and its dependencies? |
| 16:33.59 | stew | dokma: you need to find out from your ISP what exactly happens when you ask it for rescue mode |
| 16:34.00 | dokma | and it's a static ip setup anyways |
| 16:34.35 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: Interesting. In that case, as stew suggested, use the IP given by ifconfig and configure it for static. |
| 16:34.36 | dokma | I see, I'll try support now... |
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| 16:34.47 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: In any case, it wouldn't be a bad idea to verify it with the support people. |
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| 16:34.56 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: Who's your ISP? |
| 16:34.59 | stew | jhutchins_lt: no, that's where he was already when he started asking questions |
| 16:35.00 | dokma | jhutchins_lt: that's exactly what I tried but when I reboot I can't ssh into it |
| 16:35.03 | dokma | netdirekt |
| 16:35.26 | dokma | I can see from the logs from the rescue mode that the machine does boot |
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| 16:35.40 | dokma | but does not seem to get the eth0 up properly |
| 16:36.06 | stew | dokma: what does "cat /proc/cmdline" return? |
| 16:36.21 | dokma | stew in rescue mode it returns: |
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| 16:36.28 | stew | dokma: you mean you can see that the machine does boot even in normal mode? |
| 16:36.34 | dokma | apm=power-off toram=grml.squashfs lang=de vga=791 quiet initrd=/boot/grml/initrd.gz boot=live nomce noquick hostname=rescuecd64 distri=grml noeject noprompt services=ssh BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/grml/linux26 |
| 16:37.01 | dokma | stew: I can see when I'm in the rescue that the machine booted ok when I rebooted without rescue mode |
| 16:37.22 | dokma | so it does boot ok in normal boot but there is no connection on eth0 |
| 16:38.11 | dokma | this output above looks like it boots over the network... |
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| 16:38.58 | dokma | http://grml.org/ |
| 16:41.51 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Sorry, I should have just let you roll with it. |
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| 16:42.34 | jhutchins_lt | At this point I would say that it's behavior is divergent enough from what one would expect for a hardware-based or conventional VS that you need to find out how it's supposed to work from the ISP. |
| 16:42.44 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: netdirekt.de? .com? |
| 16:42.46 | eljure | hello, is there any way to install debian stable off a usb drive? I keep getting the no cd can't be found error :( |
| 16:43.01 | dokma | netdirekt.de |
| 16:43.06 | dokma | they are located in frankfurt |
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| 16:43.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell eljure about usb install |
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| 16:47.17 | flaggy | isn't there a way to download a package and all its dependencies? |
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| 16:47.36 | nsadmin | flaggy: aptitude does that |
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| 16:48.06 | nsadmin | check man aptitude; pretty sure you can download without installing |
| 16:48.21 | flaggy | even if I already have it installed? |
| 16:48.28 | flaggy | I see apt-get has a -d option |
| 16:48.44 | flaggy | but it works as normal install would |
| 16:48.48 | flaggy | except it doesn't install |
| 16:48.59 | nsadmin | and that's bad because... |
| 16:49.11 | nsadmin | s/bad/not what you want/ |
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| 16:49.31 | flaggy | because there's a laptop with no internet connection and I want to install build-essential and its dependencies there |
| 16:49.39 | flaggy | in order to compile the nic driver |
| 16:49.48 | jhutchins_lt | flaggy: "all it's dependencies" is a variable, since most packages rely on some of the base system, and packages with a common orientation share packages. The dependency list within the package is absolute and complete, but would not calculate sub-dependencies (dependency hell); the output of any live run would depend on what was already installed. |
| 16:49.48 | stew | flaggy: apt-zip is made for this task. it will generate a script to run on another machine |
| 16:50.18 | jhutchins_lt | zactly. |
| 16:50.23 | flaggy | cool |
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| 16:52.39 | Robinux | stew i'm new to linux, but i've done some reading before migrating here, and from what i remember reading before or after adding a repository mirrors i should add its key or whatever but in the instructions page for adding backports to my sources.list |
| 16:52.44 | Robinux | it doesn't mention anything about |
| 16:52.49 | Robinux | it |
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| 16:53.22 | klikklak | hi all, for some reason 192.168.1.1 instead of pointing to a router points to the net, why is this? |
| 16:53.24 | nsadmin | well you just install the backports key then run aptitude update |
| 16:53.41 | nsadmin | then the key is automatically applied |
| 16:53.45 | klikklak | here's a traceroute http://pastebin.com/XS9Sinkf |
| 16:54.08 | Robinux | how to install the key, nsadmin |
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| 16:54.31 | nsadmin | find its name then install it using aptitude |
| 16:54.49 | nsadmin | it's a key ring in a package |
| 16:54.50 | eljure | CutMeOwnThroat: I got the installer on usb now, it boots but now I need to copy the iso somewhere? |
| 16:54.50 | klikklak | also, an actual question: how did I setup a local network on eth0, so that I can connect to a router for configuration |
| 16:55.06 | klikklak | no dhcp, this is a dd-wrt installation |
| 16:55.12 | Robinux | nsadmin i see |
| 16:55.13 | Robinux | thanks |
| 16:55.38 | nsadmin | point a web browser at backports.org |
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| 16:55.52 | nsadmin | maybe you'd find the info there |
| 16:56.03 | onur | stew: can you paste your /etc/nsswitch.conf file? |
| 16:56.22 | klikklak | the router should be at 192.168.1.1. I've tried route add -net 192.168.1.100 and route add default gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 16:56.33 | nsadmin | I met a drummer once named Atma Anur... he once played with Journey |
| 16:56.35 | stew | Robinux: its signed by the same key as the main debian archive |
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| 16:56.56 | Robinux | i see |
| 16:56.58 | Robinux | thats neat |
| 16:57.05 | stew | Robinux: the instructions are no longer on the backports page because it is no longer signed with a different key than the rest of debian |
| 16:57.39 | nsadmin | so he needs not the backports key but the archive key |
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| 16:58.01 | stew | yes |
| 16:58.09 | stew | which is almost definately already has trusted |
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| 16:58.38 | nsadmin | you mean he might already have that keyring? |
| 16:59.01 | stew | no |
| 16:59.04 | stew | no keyring |
| 16:59.32 | stew | i mean that "apt-key list" would already show the lenny stable release key as a trusted key |
| 17:00.27 | nsadmin | oh ok... so if he doesn't have it yet, where would he look to find its name? |
| 17:00.45 | stew | actually its the Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (5.0/lenny) |
| 17:01.10 | stew | nsadmin: apt would complain about 55BE302B, he'd then check his trust path to 55BE302B, and maybe add it with apt-key add |
| 17:01.43 | nsadmin | ok, so if he does that, does apt-key go out to a key server? |
| 17:01.55 | nsadmin | ;et' |
| 17:02.12 | nsadmin | err let's ask him if that's the key it's complaining about |
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| 17:03.22 | nsadmin | Robinux, have you received a message saying that a key is missing or something like that? what does the message say if so |
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| 17:04.05 | nsadmin | does he need the key itself or just need to trust it? |
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| 17:07.43 | Robinux | nsadmin i did apt-get update and it worked fine, although i'm having vbox difficulties installing dkms |
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| 17:08.17 | stew | nsadmin: he was adding backports.debian.org and was wondering "don't I have to add a key for this repository or something" and the answer was "no, since its signed by debian" |
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| 17:09.09 | Robinux | i gotta insert the debian-lenny-cdi386-.iso file into "/cdrom/" |
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| 17:09.27 | stew | Robinux: do you want to install from the iso? or would you rather just install from the internet? |
| 17:09.34 | Robinux | internet! |
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| 17:10.12 | stew | Robinux: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the cdrom lines |
| 17:10.37 | Robinux | while i was adding the backport line the cdrom line was commented but ok |
| 17:11.15 | Robinux | but no there was another one below it |
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| 17:22.24 | klikklak | is there any reason for 192.168.10.1 to point to 172.24.203.173? |
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| 17:24.41 | Erthe | For Debian 4.0, I've installed Apache2 and PHP5. Running: apache -t -D DUMP_MODULES shows that php5 is loaded but PHP files are not being pre-parsed and the browser is receiving a MIME type application/x-httpd-php |
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| 17:25.02 | Erthe | Looking for a little advice. |
| 17:26.02 | abrotman | Erthe: you mean Debian 5.0 .. i hope ? |
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| 17:26.21 | Erthe | Nope, Debian 4.0 is the VPS environment I received with the provider I have |
| 17:26.55 | Erthe | cat /etc/issue reports Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l |
| 17:27.23 | karlpinc | klikklak: Someone is migrating from one rfc1918 address space to another? |
| 17:28.22 | karlpinc | Erthe: It's been a long time. You need to do more than load the module, you need to set the suffix so that it invokes php. But I've forgotten everything. |
| 17:28.35 | Erthe | Yes, that's AddType |
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| 17:29.20 | Erthe | php5.load loads the module, php5.conf sets the MIME type of certain extensions to be pre-processed |
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| 17:31.12 | stew | Erthe: we'd strogly recommend you upgrade to the current stable, that version is no longer supported and has known security problems that nobody is trying to fix |
| 17:31.14 | docid | Umm, seems most of the etch repos are not responding, what etch main repos are still available? |
| 17:31.34 | stew | docid: they were moved to archive.debian.org and are no longer supported |
| 17:31.45 | abrotman | !tell docid about etch sources.list |
| 17:31.49 | Erthe | stew: Noted, thank you |
| 17:32.08 | docid | no worries there, i just need the repos...thanks for the info |
| 17:32.23 | karlpinc | Erthe: You may be helped by the README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/apache*/ |
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| 17:32.40 | stew | Erthe: if this is a new install and you got debian 4.0, you should find another provider |
| 17:32.47 | megaf | hi folks, im stalling debian lenny on an old pentium I mmx at 133MHz |
| 17:32.54 | megaf | 58% completed |
| 17:33.16 | megaf | I'm curious to see how will it work |
| 17:33.42 | karlpinc | megaf: Use something lightweight like lxde and it'll be slow starting, but fine. What really counts is how much ram you've got. |
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| 17:34.31 | megaf | karlpinc, 64MB |
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| 17:34.59 | karlpinc | megaf: Barely enough, if you're very patient. |
| 17:35.06 | megaf | 64 MB SDRAM 133 MHz and a new 80GB IDE laptop harddrive |
| 17:35.13 | Robinux | karlpinc, speaking of README.Debian, is there such a file that's the general README.Debian |
| 17:35.16 | Robinux | if you know what i mean |
| 17:35.30 | karlpinc | Robinux: Probably the debian policy manual. |
| 17:35.32 | stew | Robinux: /msg dpkg reference |
| 17:35.56 | Robinux | karlpinc, stew: nice |
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| 17:36.31 | karlpinc | megaf: You'll be better off if you install a minimal system, then xorg and whatever else one at a time. Perhaps using "aptitude -R" to keep the bloat down. |
| 17:36.32 | megaf | have someone here ever tried to install debian on a really old machine, like a 80486 or a 80386? How did it run? |
| 17:36.56 | megaf | karlpinc, im doing that |
| 17:37.02 | Robinux | the bot must be pretty busy! |
| 17:37.18 | stew | megaf: actually you'd be better off not trying to use a gui |
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| 17:37.43 | karlpinc | megaf: Yah. Then it'll run fine. |
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| 17:38.18 | Xanbreon | Will debian run on anything older than a 486 anymore? |
| 17:38.26 | Xanbreon | Im thinking not, at least not a new version |
| 17:38.27 | Robinux | nice |
| 17:38.30 | schmack | if I am a ISP, 'server' an di have debian lenny 5.0.6, e.g., how can i upgrade without loosing the database to 6.0 squeeze when it release? |
| 17:38.33 | Robinux | and it can be installed too! stew |
| 17:38.36 | stew | Xanbreon: no, not for a while now |
| 17:38.49 | Robinux | but how does that work, it'll "install" for me text files? haha |
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| 17:39.02 | Robinux | pdf manual? |
| 17:39.03 | karlpinc | schmack: You follow the release notes, and everything should mostly just keep working. See them on debian.org. |
| 17:39.11 | Xanbreon | Didnt think so ;) |
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| 17:39.16 | stew | schmack: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 17:39.24 | schmack | if I am a ISP, 'server' and i have debian lenny 5.0.6, e.g., how can i upgrade without loosing the database to 6.0 squeeze when it release, it is possible with Debian, (without backup rack) ? |
| 17:39.31 | stew | schmack: yes |
| 17:39.48 | schmack | stew: ok |
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| 17:39.56 | karlpinc | stew: But he does not want to do this now, but when squeeze is released. |
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| 17:40.20 | schmack | karlpinc: yes |
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| 17:40.49 | karlpinc | schmack: The release notes will be on the debian home page when squeeze is released. |
| 17:40.49 | Robinux | stew? |
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| 17:40.53 | schmack | karlpinc: it's the same |
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| 17:41.12 | karlpinc | schmack: There may be changes still. |
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| 17:41.45 | stew | Robinux: "dpkg -L packagename" will show you what files it installs |
| 17:41.53 | stew | installed* |
| 17:42.04 | iman | when i want to used apt-get update, i face this error : Release file expired, ignoring .../dists/squeeze/Release |
| 17:42.18 | iman | you think whats the problem? |
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| 17:42.34 | rackIT | Im trying to use key authentication through ssh - vebose mode outputs Credentials cache file '/tmp/krb5cc_1000' not found - this seems to be preventing authentication - I'm not sure how to fix this |
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| 17:46.11 | hyper_ch | hi there, I wonder, as root, how can I start a program under a different user? I'm running a small Minecraft server with a few people and would like for monit to monitor it and restart it if necessary |
| 17:46.15 | stew | rackIT: do you control the server? these things are much easier debugged from the server side: "/msg dpkg debug sshd" ; its typically a problem with permissions |
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| 17:48.44 | Robinux | stew thats cool |
| 17:49.03 | Robinux | can i check what it would install for not installed packages? |
| 17:49.11 | rackIT | stew: i don't. another user has no problems doing the same thing. I can get with the sysadmin to see what the logs say... |
| 17:49.12 | stew | Robinux: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 17:49.43 | Robinux | ok |
| 17:49.45 | Robinux | thanks |
| 17:49.54 | megaf | "Running mkinitramfs-kpkg" This will take a long time |
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| 17:50.13 | stew | rackIT: on the server, make sure that authorized_keys is owned by you and chmod 600, .ssh is owned by you and chmod 700 and that your home directory and all of its ancestors are not group writable |
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| 17:52.35 | jaroug | hi, im trying to play with preseed, the installer launch is ok, but it never hit on the preseed.cfg, here is the pxelinux.cfg/default http://pastebin.com/AiffQ3Rv |
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| 17:53.22 | jhutchins_lt | hyper_ch: I'm not actually familiar with the mechanism, but you could take a look at the init files for a program that runs as an alternate user and see how that does it. |
| 17:53.43 | hyper_ch | jhutchins_lt: there are no init files... .Minecraft is just a Java .jar file |
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| 17:54.18 | rackIT | stew: thanks much! |
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| 17:54.50 | hyper_ch | jhutchins_lt: if you have too much spare time and like sandbox games, have a look at it ;) |
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| 17:55.46 | Robinux | "apt-file" |
| 17:55.53 | Robinux | can be run as a command in bash? |
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| 17:56.07 | hyper_ch | Robinux: yes, but you have first to install it |
| 17:56.15 | hyper_ch | Robinux: and then first run apt-file update (as root) |
| 17:56.16 | Robinux | ahhh! |
| 17:56.29 | hyper_ch | and then you can search it: apt-file search linux.so for example |
| 17:56.31 | Robinux | thanks hyper_ch |
| 17:56.37 | jhutchins_lt | hyper_ch: Ok, then the question is how to run the java interpreter as another user? |
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| 17:57.16 | hyper_ch | jhutchins_lt: well, with monit I can check if the .jar is running and if not, I can monit make run a script to start it... but how to I run it as a different user... that's the question :( |
| 17:57.28 | hyper_ch | I don't really wanna run it as root :) |
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| 17:59.23 | jhutchins_lt | hyper_ch: You might be able to get more information on doing this in a java support channel. |
| 17:59.50 | stew | hyper_ch: to run a command as another user: su -c "somecommand" username |
| 18:00.03 | hyper_ch | stew: thx, I'll have a look at that :) |
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| 18:03.49 | jhutchins_lt | stew: That applies to binaries, what about jar's? |
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| 18:04.53 | stew | jhutchins_lt: a jar is something you pass as an argument to the java binary |
| 18:05.11 | stew | jhutchins_lt: i don't believe that the jvm has the ability to drop privileges on its own |
| 18:05.23 | jhutchins_lt | That would be my assumption as well. |
| 18:05.44 | jhutchins_lt | Still, I believe users can run jars. |
| 18:05.57 | stew | jhutchins_lt: no, a jar is just a zipfile, not somehting runnable |
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| 18:06.32 | hyper_ch | well, I have a short bash script anyway to start minecraft |
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| 18:07.03 | jhutchins_lt | stew: So in order to execute the jar, the user would be the one invoking the jvm. |
| 18:07.10 | themill | a jar is just as runnable as something that starts with #!/bin/bash or #!/usr/bin/perl (or even a PE .exe with wine) |
| 18:07.25 | hyper_ch | so if I can run the shell script as a different user, then the jvm called form inside should also be run as that user, right? script: java -Xms1024M -Xmx1024M -jar Minecraft_Mod.jar nogui |
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| 18:07.56 | Saliven | hi all... how can i mount a media at startup please? |
| 18:08.08 | abrotman | Saliven: man mount; man fstab |
| 18:08.09 | hyper_ch | Saliven: add it to /etc/fstab |
| 18:08.22 | Saliven | thanks alot :) |
| 18:08.48 | stew | wait, i can just ./foo.jar? |
| 18:08.51 | stew | how on earth? |
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| 18:09.09 | stew | hyper_ch: yes, that java command would be run as the user running the script contianing it |
| 18:09.09 | jhutchins_lt | themill: If a user executes a bash script, it runs as that user. |
| 18:09.11 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Is the same true of a jar? |
| 18:09.37 | hyper_ch | stew: great, thx :) |
| 18:09.40 | themill | stew: binfmt_misc |
| 18:09.58 | stew | that's insanity |
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| 18:10.28 | themill | jhutchins_lt: yes. All the kernel is doing is throwing it at an "interpreter" the same way as it does with a shell script. nfc whether suid supported though |
| 18:10.29 | jhutchins_lt | The same would be true of ruby, python, perl, etc. |
| 18:10.46 | stew | and sh |
| 18:10.48 | themill | jhutchins_lt: that uses deeper black magic from the shebang though |
| 18:10.55 | Zevv | Hi all. How can I force 'apt-get install --reinstall' to overwrite/replace configuration files to their defaults ? |
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| 18:11.01 | rss | Hi, all I'm a fan of the enlightenment window manager and have been forced to build packages myself. It's working well for me now, but does anyone have any tips? |
| 18:11.28 | stew | dpkg: confnew |
| 18:11.28 | dpkg | stew: are you using Windows? |
| 18:11.33 | stew | amazing |
| 18:11.44 | hyper_ch | Zevv: apt-get purge maybe? |
| 18:11.55 | hyper_ch | that should remove the config files IIRC |
| 18:12.07 | stew | no |
| 18:12.10 | stew | Zevv: one second |
| 18:12.11 | rss | Zevv: purge the package first |
| 18:12.14 | stew | no |
| 18:12.59 | stew | dpkg: confmiss is dpkg --force-confnew will force dpkg to overwrite any changes you have |
| 18:12.59 | dpkg | ...but confmiss is already something else... |
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| 18:13.10 | stew | dpkg: confnew is dpkg --force-confnew will force dpkg to overwrite any changes you have made to conffiles. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 18:13.11 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 18:13.26 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: confmiss |
| 18:13.26 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 18:13.37 | Zevv | rss: yes I know purging helps, but tha's kind of hard/risky with all my pam and login related packages, which I'm trying to restore |
| 18:13.46 | stew | Zevv: ssee what I said about confnew |
| 18:13.52 | tharkun | Couldn't you instruct the bot on the silence of a pm ;P |
| 18:13.55 | Zevv | rss: i've got config files in my /etc/pam.d from 2001, need to clean up |
| 18:14.02 | Zevv | stew: let me check that out, thanks |
| 18:14.17 | stew | dpkg: confnew is also see <confmiss> |
| 18:14.18 | dpkg | okay, stew |
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| 18:14.47 | rss | Zevv: OK, I get it. confnew might help. |
| 18:15.09 | Zevv | rss, stew:ok thanks both, confnew seems to be the Right Thing |
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| 18:17.16 | rss | regarding enlightenment: I'm referrring to e17, not e16 which really works well on debian out of the box. |
| 18:17.32 | Zevv | stew: am I doing this right ? "dpkg -i --force-confnew xdm_1%3a1.1.10-3_i386.deb" |
| 18:17.35 | Zevv | this reinstall xdm |
| 18:17.48 | Zevv | but does not overwrite my altered /etc/pam.d/xdm |
| 18:18.37 | rss | Zevv: Does xdm actually fill pam.d? |
| 18:18.45 | stew | Zevv: is /etc/pam.d/xdm listed /var/lib/dpkg/info/xdm.conffiles? what about /var/lib/dpkg/info/xdm.list ? |
| 18:18.46 | Zevv | /etc/pam.d/xdm is in 'dpkg -L xdm' |
| 18:19.00 | stew | that's a yes for .list |
| 18:19.00 | Zevv | yes its there |
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| 18:19.04 | stew | Zevv: in conffiles? |
| 18:19.07 | Zevv | it is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/xdm.conffiles |
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| 18:19.22 | Saliven | what options should i use in fstab for ntfs filesystem please? |
| 18:19.34 | Zevv | stew: even: if I remove /etc/pam/xdm, and reinstall xdm, there is no new file put in /etc/pam.d |
| 18:19.39 | hyper_ch | Saliven: install ntfs-3g |
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| 18:19.48 | zfe | hello |
| 18:19.54 | stew | Zevv: wait, is it missing completely? |
| 18:20.00 | stew | Zevv: try confmiss instead of confnew |
| 18:20.03 | Saliven | hyper_ch: thx ill try |
| 18:20.05 | zfe | my notebook has 2 graphic cards |
| 18:20.10 | zfe | how can i decide which one to use under linux |
| 18:20.22 | hyper_ch | Saliven: and then add something like this: /dev/<your partition> /media/<mount point> ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.utf8 0 0 |
| 18:20.25 | rss | Zevv: unpacking xdm instaead of installing and manually copying should work. At least you know what you have done then. Make a backup first :) |
| 18:20.26 | stew | Saliven: do you need write access? or just read access? |
| 18:20.29 | Zevv | stew: no I have an altered version, but I want hte new one. When --reinstall did not put the default one there, I even tried deleting it and reinstalling, but still no /etc/pam.d/xdm |
| 18:20.42 | cusco | hi... |
| 18:20.43 | Saliven | stew: i need write access too |
| 18:20.51 | Zevv | rss: yes that's what i'm doing now, but it's a lot of work, I'm trying to reinstall all pam-enabled packages to make sure my whole PAM setup is up to date |
| 18:20.55 | M00R1Z | at anyone: any suggestions for a rss/atom reader ? opensource? |
| 18:20.57 | M00R1Z | thanks |
| 18:21.10 | damasceno | Somebody here already use red5 server? |
| 18:21.11 | M00R1Z | maybe rss? |
| 18:21.14 | cusco | I am using exim+dovecot+roundcube ... whos fault is it that charset comes all grubbled... |
| 18:21.15 | stew | Zevv: can you try "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall xdm" ? |
| 18:21.18 | cusco | :/ |
| 18:21.27 | Zevv | stew: wow, aptitude, never ever used that before :) |
| 18:21.32 | cusco | damasceno: I used in the past |
| 18:21.56 | damasceno | cusco, can you help me? I'm trying to do that. :/ |
| 18:21.57 | Zevv | stew: no luck |
| 18:22.03 | Zevv | stew: still the old file there |
| 18:22.13 | stew | odd |
| 18:22.17 | cusco | damasceno: ask away |
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| 18:22.46 | rss | Zevv: Everytime that I have seriously broken something, I have always looked for a manual fix. I know debian is really good with depandancies. However, if I make a stuid mistake I try to FIX that rather that rely on scripts that usually assume you have not messed up. |
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| 18:23.26 | stew | Zevv: can you try moving the file out of the way and try confmiss? |
| 18:23.26 | Zevv | rss: true :) But I have messed up several things in all those years |
| 18:23.27 | Saliven | hyper_ch: thx, got it |
| 18:23.36 | angel-tsankov | waves to nsadmin, binarym |
| 18:23.53 | hyper_ch | Saliven: ntfs is evil :) |
| 18:23.59 | Zevv | stew: confmiss worked |
| 18:24.09 | Zevv | stew: sweet, although strange the confnew did not |
| 18:24.14 | damasceno | cusco, can you access this: http://187.65.39.27:5080 |
| 18:24.16 | damasceno | ? |
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| 18:24.22 | stew | Zevv: yeah, its strange, your situation is exaclty why it exists |
| 18:24.27 | rss | Zevv: I has you assumed you already tried confmiss. |
| 18:24.34 | Zevv | rss: sorry, no I did not |
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| 18:24.49 | Zevv | stew: well, I can fix this now with some dpkg and xargs magic and some patience |
| 18:24.57 | cusco | damasceno: no. Have you forwarded that port on your router? |
| 18:25.03 | Zevv | stew, rss: thanks for your help |
| 18:25.05 | angel-tsankov | how can I see the routing table |
| 18:25.06 | rss | Zevv: no problem. It's why we're here :) |
| 18:26.07 | Zevv | rss: where do I send the cake ? :) |
| 18:26.10 | damasceno | cusco, i don't have firewall or proxy here. |
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| 18:26.33 | rss | Zevv: munch, munch, thanks |
| 18:26.47 | flo` | hi |
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| 18:27.01 | rss | flo: hi |
| 18:27.41 | flo` | i installed runit, runit-run and runit-services. however, i saved my old init and named the runit's init init_runit... |
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| 18:28.00 | flo` | booting with init=init_runit... well... quite of doesn't work good... but it works |
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| 18:28.09 | rss | angel-tsankov: as root 'route -n' |
| 18:28.25 | megaf | karlpinc, now, how do I install and configure X for that old computer? |
| 18:28.35 | flo` | it is entering stage 1 correctly, in stage 2 nothing gets executed (maybe due to misconfiguration). i can add services my own, that works... |
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| 18:28.59 | flo` | HOWEVER... if i want to boot with the old init, everything works well EXCEPT that gdm tries to start X a second time |
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| 18:29.15 | flo` | what's the problem here? |
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| 18:29.44 | rss | flo`: I heve no experience with runit. What does it do? |
| 18:30.40 | flo` | runit is a different init system. it can do service control, dependency-based service-loading and stuff, and it has a pretty small footprint. |
| 18:30.44 | rss | angel tsankov: or you could try 'ip route list' |
| 18:31.15 | flo` | runit and runit-services install only data files and tools. runit-run tries to overwrite my init (which i have backed up) |
| 18:31.47 | angel-tsankov | rss: I'm trying to determine if I can have lan host access a vpn |
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| 18:32.08 | rss | flo`: I use the new inniserv |
| 18:32.23 | flo` | inniserv? you mean insserv? |
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| 18:33.21 | flo` | well, it doesn't quite do what i want ;) |
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| 18:33.41 | flo` | another way to do what i want is to copy arch's bsd-style init... but runit would be nicer ;) |
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| 18:34.24 | flo` | wtf... it seems that everything gets started twice o_O |
| 18:34.29 | flo` | even the gettys |
| 18:34.36 | emerson | I tryed but didn't get right so how to I change my screen resolution to 1600X900 |
| 18:34.42 | flo` | can this be related to the fact that i had to uninstall rsyslogd? |
| 18:34.43 | rss | flo`: yes that was a typo. Sorry! |
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| 18:34.57 | rss | angel-tsankov: Yes you can have a lan host access a vpn. You will need a vpnclient for the type of vpn that you use. For ipsec connectivity I use open-swan. |
| 18:35.04 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 18:36.04 | emerson | any idea ? |
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| 18:36.44 | rss | flo`: rsyslogd uninstall is unlikely to solve your probblem, Unless, the message is somehow looged twice. In which case double entires would be normal. |
| 18:37.18 | flo` | well, i assume the problem IS that rsyslog got uninstalled |
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| 18:37.35 | flo` | i'm wondering if INstalling it would help |
| 18:38.00 | rss | flo`: what daemon are you using for syslog instead? maybe you just need to reinstall rsyslogd. |
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| 18:38.39 | flo` | some socklog thingy |
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| 18:40.30 | rss | flo`: I'm running syslog not rsyslog. maybe uninstall socklog thing and installing rsyslog will help. I'm not sure about that though. |
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| 18:41.46 | abrotman | emerson: xrandr |
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| 18:42.01 | flo` | i think i'd rather use some bsd-style init... |
| 18:42.11 | flo` | KISS rocks much more than runit does :( |
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| 18:42.25 | emerson | abrotman: I tryed but didn't work... |
| 18:43.39 | emerson | abrotman: any pastbin that I can show you the output ? |
| 18:43.41 | abrotman | "didn't work" doesn't hhelp me figure out your problem .. error? fire? sparks? |
| 18:43.43 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
| 18:44.03 | rss | flo`: The name KISS inspires. Still I'm not dissatidfied with my current setup. Is your preference for BSD style init because of familiarity with it? |
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| 18:44.40 | OperaFan | Hi, I have a rsyslog log file I need to copy, but some process has it open and locked and I can't copy it. I have tried stopping rsyslogd (which failed), I have tried kill the processes that have it opened, and they refuse to die. |
| 18:44.46 | flo` | rss, well, i'm optimising my system boot ATM (i'm bored ;) ) and that's much easier when only editing a rc.sysinit... |
| 18:44.58 | OperaFan | fuser -k -i router-user.log |
| 18:44.58 | flo` | and, well, actually i find the sysV-init pretty useless to me |
| 18:45.34 | flo` | i (who owns a laptop, not a server) doesn't care about multiple runlevels, not even about service supervision (as runit does) |
| 18:45.53 | flo` | i only want to have X started pretty fast, and all its dependencies |
| 18:47.24 | flaggy | I like sysv because it's the default on debian, so the chances of packages working without further configuration is higher |
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| 18:48.01 | flo` | arch's init system is fully compatible. the only difference is that the scripts lie in a different directory (which can be fixed by changing one line) |
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| 18:48.31 | karlpinc | flo`: It'll all be for naught because the sysv init scripts are being redone for squeeze so they can run in parallel. (IIRC) |
| 18:48.41 | flo` | only differences: sysinit works completely different (but as i am fiddling around with sysinit my own, i don't care about compatibility), and starting services works over a daemons array |
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| 18:49.01 | flo` | and while parsing the array, it simply executes /etc/rc.d/<daemon> start |
| 18:49.23 | flo` | karlpinc, with bsd-style init, you don't need to redo them |
| 18:49.42 | rss | flo`: my xserver starts before my network is up at the moment. And I've been editing priorities to delay the start rather that speeding it up :). |
| 18:49.43 | tapoxi | I initially configured my machine to use a serial port running at /dev/ttyS0 for a terminal, but now, even though I removed it from grub's menu.lst, it keeps spawning getty processes attached to /dev/ttyS0. Any way to stop this? |
| 18:50.03 | flo` | you simply need to think a bit, and prefix services that don't need to be waited for with an @ |
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| 18:50.38 | flo` | rss, but your sysinit is pretty slow |
| 18:50.47 | karlpinc | flo`: With bsd style init it's hard for the system to figure out what can run in parallel. The new system will look at what has to be done before what and figure out the optimal order. (Of course if the bsd style init had prerequsites it could do this too.) Most of the work, I think, is in getting the prerequsites right. |
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| 18:50.59 | flo` | it sets the clock once, waits, does starts udev, waits for it to settle, sets the clock the second time, waits again... |
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| 18:51.43 | flo` | my (modified) arch system sets the clock once in background, uses a static dev, starts udev in background (important stuff is already in the static dev, the rest is there after some seconds), then starts X and all other stuff. |
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| 18:52.01 | karlpinc | tapoxi: That's in /etc/inittab. Using grub on a tty is different, as is the kernel argument you pass so the kernel knows to send messages to the console. |
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| 18:52.15 | flo` | karlpinc, not the system figures it out. YOU figure out. any my experience told me: NO service depends on another, except hal on dbus |
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| 18:52.45 | karlpinc | flo`: So you're saying you could start, say an outbound mail server without having dns working? |
| 18:53.02 | flo` | well, yeah. it will fail badly, but i could do. |
| 18:53.13 | flo` | i would simply have to start the dns before the mail server |
| 18:53.21 | damasceno | Someone already use the red5 server? I'm trying run an application, but don't connect |
| 18:53.33 | damasceno | somebody would try for me? |
| 18:53.47 | peterrooney | looking to migrate from icedove to a MUA with maildir format, what options are available? (pdo mail section should really have a 'client' subsection) |
| 18:53.49 | karlpinc | tapoxi: So, you need to change 3 things, 2 besides grub. |
| 18:53.51 | flo` | DAEMONS=(@stuff dns @mail) will start stuff in BG, dns in FG, wait for dns to finish, then start mail |
| 18:53.58 | flo` | but i have to leave now. cya |
| 18:54.07 | karlpinc | tapoxi: Although of course the kernel stuff is via grub's config. |
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| 18:54.48 | tapoxi | karlpinc: Thanks |
| 18:55.15 | rss | flo`: CU |
| 18:55.15 | karlpinc | peterrooney: Gobs. mutt, emacs, balsa, kmail (iirc). Does debtags help narrow the search? |
| 18:55.56 | karlpinc | tapoxi: (But serial consoles are really nice, imo, for lots of reasons.) |
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| 18:57.38 | karlpinc | peterrooney: You could also go web based and use squrrelmail or horde's mail solution. |
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| 18:59.00 | karlpinc | tapoxi: telinit -q after mucking with /etc/inttab. |
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| 19:03.18 | rss | karlpinc: As flo`has left my sysinit runs in parallel and is pretty fast. too fast for my wireless network in fact. Wired net is not a problem :) |
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| 19:09.47 | rss | AWFK getting something to eat. |
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| 19:15.46 | bdbdbd | what's this mean? http://codepad.org/vCD8Hxsj |
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| 19:16.48 | metalfoo | Beside of being in #debian, not #ubuntu: apt tells you, just read |
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| 19:17.58 | bdbdbd | yes but when i go to update libc6 it says its the latest, yet php-gtk is saying GLIB is < 2.6 |
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| 19:20.02 | metalfoo | php-gtk says what? |
| 19:20.13 | bdbdbd | says: |
| 19:20.14 | stew | bdbdbd: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 19:20.28 | bdbdbd | checking for GLIB - version >= 2.6.0... no |
| 19:20.28 | bdbdbd | *** Could not run GLIB test program, checking why... |
| 19:20.28 | bdbdbd | *** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the |
| 19:20.29 | bdbdbd | *** exact error that occured. This usually means GLIB is incorrectly installed. |
| 19:20.29 | bdbdbd | configure: error: PHP-GTK 2.x requires GLib 2.6.0 or higher |
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| 19:24.43 | metalfoo | bdbdbd: You are confused by version numbering of glibc. You're is fine, you are missing dev header more likely. Nevetheless you may ask in #ubuntu, since you seem to use that. |
| 19:25.04 | bdbdbd | install gcc-devel? |
| 19:25.19 | stew | bdbdbd: ask #ubuntu |
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| 19:27.17 | bdbdbd | says already newest version |
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| 19:29.02 | bdbdbd | metalfoo |
| 19:29.05 | metalfoo | You can either continue to install random packages, or you ask in #ubuntu. |
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| 19:31.16 | wuffi600 | is there a list of mirrors of backports.debian.org? |
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| 19:32.06 | dondelelcaro | wuffi600: http://backports.debian.org/Mirrors/ |
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| 19:33.46 | fxkr | hmm, on my relatively new (three days, but had that problem from the beginning on) debian squeeze installation, the volume controls (tried both the gnome one and alsamixer) change volume just fine, but "mute" has no effect (tried with Exaile, VLC and smplayer). any ideas what causes this? |
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| 19:37.31 | somiaj | any reason why your using squeeze(testing) over lenny (stable)? -- if mute isn't working almost sounds like a driver issue for the soundcard. |
| 19:38.15 | dondelelcaro | fxkr: does alsamixer show the control being muted when you mute it? |
| 19:39.07 | fxkr | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 19:39.36 | fxkr | somiaj: stables packages are REALLY out of date |
| 19:40.07 | dondelelcaro | fxkr: and it really is muted? |
| 19:40.24 | bluegene | how can i filter some urls from a file? i guess sed is the way to go, is it? |
| 19:40.48 | dondelelcaro | bluegene: or grep or perl, or whatever, depending on the file |
| 19:40.50 | fxkr | uhh, well, gnome volume control shows the [X]muted and alsamixer changes to [oo] to non-green |
| 19:40.58 | fxkr | does that count as "really muted" |
| 19:41.06 | dondelelcaro | fxkr: and does sound continue to play through that device? |
| 19:41.10 | bluegene | dondelelcaro: but doesn't grep just print out the whole line with the occurrence? |
| 19:41.11 | fxkr | yes |
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| 19:41.23 | dondelelcaro | bluegene: hence "depnding on the file" |
| 19:41.24 | f3xy | is there a cvsdiff package? |
| 19:41.30 | f3xy | I can't find anything in squeeze |
| 19:41.32 | bluegene | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 19:41.36 | fxkr | thats the problem, actually, volume up/down works, but sound continues to play when i activate "mute" |
| 19:41.37 | f3xy | other than patchutils and tkcvs |
| 19:41.48 | dondelelcaro | fxkr: which output are you muting? |
| 19:42.03 | dondelelcaro | f3xy: cvs has diff builtin; what are you trying to do? |
| 19:42.12 | fxkr | dondelelcaro: tried all of them |
| 19:42.23 | f3xy | just comparing my current file against the file on in the respository |
| 19:42.45 | dondelelcaro | f3xy: cvs diff is what you want, then; or diff if you haven't modified the file in place. |
| 19:43.08 | fxkr | somiaj: i should note that i'm coming from arch linux; even squeezes packages seem a bit out of date (for example my wacom tablet seems to be unsupported with current kernel) |
| 19:43.20 | fxkr | somiaj: would be even worse with /stable |
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| 19:43.52 | f3xy | ah thanks |
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| 19:44.09 | stew | fxkr: i'd try a newer alsa version: /msg dpkg new alsa |
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| 19:45.47 | fxkr | stew: can i go back from there if it breaks something? |
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| 19:46.49 | kn0x | i feel like this is a very stuipid question, but I've never encountered this before |
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| 19:47.20 | merethan | Hi all |
| 19:47.27 | merethan | Why is HAL being removed? |
| 19:47.32 | somiaj | fxkr: Its your choice what you use, I use sid myself -- just saying if you want things to just work well without trouble, go with stable |
| 19:47.41 | somiaj | merethan: read the changelog/bugreports? |
| 19:48.19 | kn0x | /foo/bar is owned by fred:salesgroup with permissions 775, if `groups bill` reports that bill is a member of salesgroup, how could bill not have permissions on /foo/bar? |
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| 19:49.05 | somiaj | kn0x: to do what? are you trying to remove the file? write to it? |
| 19:49.33 | stew | fxkr: it will create a package with the newer alsa kernel mdules you could remove later |
| 19:49.54 | somiaj | kn0x: my guess is /foo has the sticky bit on it. This is common and suggested for folders you allow multiple users have full access to |
| 19:50.06 | stew | kn0x: if bill is using a session that was created before he was added to the salesgroup group |
| 19:50.06 | merethan | "The reason is that HAL is considered jack of all trades, master of none" |
| 19:50.13 | merethan | Yeah I were expecting that |
| 19:50.18 | merethan | udev can do more and more |
| 19:50.26 | somiaj | kn0x: the sticky bit makes it so people cannot delete other peoples files unless they are the owner |
| 19:50.27 | kn0x | somiaj: sticky bit? |
| 19:50.39 | somiaj | kn0x: man chmod -- its a file permision thing |
| 19:50.51 | kn0x | somiaj: no, bill cant `touch /foo/bar/file` |
| 19:50.51 | stew | kn0x: he means if the directory is not 0775 but 1775 |
| 19:51.10 | stew | kn0x: does /foo/bar/file exist? or is that trying to create a new file? |
| 19:51.14 | fxkr | stew: ah, thanks |
| 19:51.26 | kn0x | stew: it does not exis |
| 19:51.32 | kn0x | /foo/bar/newfile |
| 19:51.50 | somiaj | kn0x: does the group have write permisions to the directory? |
| 19:52.09 | BuggerMe | I have a corrupt drive on my server and now cannot login. If I install a second drive and install lenny on that, will the corrupt drive remain intact during the install. I really need to recover the data on the drive. |
| 19:52.27 | kn0x | somiaj: yeup |
| 19:52.40 | kn0x | somiaj: permissions of /foo/bar is 775 |
| 19:52.45 | somiaj | kn0x: stew might have hit it on the head, type 'groups' for bill and see if he is in the group |
| 19:52.53 | stew | kn0x: in the shell where you ran touch, run "groups" by itself and see if the group is listed |
| 19:52.53 | kn0x | yeup |
| 19:52.56 | stew | yeah |
| 19:53.12 | kn0x | stew: shit, yeah groups by itself |
| 19:53.16 | kn0x | it doesnt show |
| 19:53.25 | kn0x | but i tried new shells from gnome! |
| 19:53.29 | stew | kn0x: bill needs to logout and log back in |
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| 19:53.50 | somiaj | you'll have to log out of X and back in |
| 19:53.51 | stew | kn0x: or he can run "newgrp groupname" to start a new shell, but that changes his default group, so all files he creates would have that group owner |
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| 19:54.12 | kn0x | stew: is there a way to reload? |
| 19:54.13 | somiaj | the shells from gnome (X) just inherit the propertites from the master shell which hasn't reloged -- not sure if there is a way to foce a change |
| 19:55.03 | stew | kn0x: newgrp |
| 19:55.09 | stew | kn0x: but it changes the default gropu |
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| 19:56.29 | kn0x | stew / somiaj : thanks guys, i guess you learn something new everyday :D |
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| 19:56.46 | kn0x | i never realized that group membership is not an instant change |
| 19:57.04 | kn0x | probably because I usually work from ssh but this was a local change :\ |
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| 19:57.37 | merethan | BuggerMe, it is probably a better idea to remove the drive and inspect it with some handy tools like the Sleuth Kit |
| 19:57.59 | karlpinc | kn0x: You may be interested in: /msg dpkg user private groups |
| 19:59.08 | rss | Hi all, back from food. |
| 19:59.10 | merethan | BuggerMe, one way to be sure the drive's data structure is not altered is disconnecting it or disabling it in the bios. |
| 20:00.01 | karlpinc | BuggerMe: Your best bet is to dd the entire content of the drive right away to some other drive. Then try to recover from that. Best not to do anything with the drive until you do that. It may be best to keep it powered off, if you can't hot-plug a new drive in and avoid power cycling entirely. |
| 20:00.15 | rss | BuggerMe: add new drive disconnect old one. put old one in usb enclosure. enspect to hearts content |
| 20:00.30 | kn0x | karlpinc: isnt that already what Im doing? |
| 20:00.53 | karlpinc | kn0x: Dunno. I just caught the tail end of the conversation. |
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| 20:01.12 | karlpinc | kn0x: If you wern't doing that, then it seemed you might want to. :) |
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| 20:01.59 | merethan | BuggerMe, with dd you can easily make an image of the entire drive to a file |
| 20:02.06 | somiaj | kn0x: its a shell thing, the shell inherits the set group/ower when its launched -- so adding yourself to a new group won't affect running applications |
| 20:03.00 | dec3pti0n | is there a way to recreate this /var/lib/dpkg/available file ? |
| 20:03.01 | kn0x | karlpinc: haha, yeah thats what I was doing.. i just didnt know that you needed to refresh the enrolled groups by re-login |
| 20:03.04 | kn0x | :D |
| 20:03.07 | kn0x | "D |
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| 20:03.15 | kn0x | somiaj: ahh ok. thanks |
| 20:03.28 | merethan | BuggerMe, 'dd if=/dev/sd{abcde...} of=/home/BuggerMe/imageofmydrivewithbrokenfilesystem.img' |
| 20:03.55 | merethan | Then work with the image with the Sleuth kit and alike |
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| 20:04.14 | bub3d | hi all |
| 20:04.24 | merethan | BuggerMe, review the command before you hit enter. |
| 20:04.34 | bub3d | anyone with experience of adding new pci devices at debian? |
| 20:04.35 | merethan | Make sure you know what you are doing |
| 20:04.51 | merethan | bub3d, PCI configures itself. |
| 20:04.54 | bub3d | i add a new lan card - 3com |
| 20:04.57 | bub3d | but unfortunately |
| 20:05.06 | bub3d | i can not check if the computer even recognize it |
| 20:05.12 | bub3d | i tried ifconfig -a |
| 20:05.16 | merethan | 'lspci' |
| 20:05.18 | bub3d | no card |
| 20:05.19 | karlpinc | kn0x: I just updated the wiki with that info. |
| 20:05.19 | bub3d | yep |
| 20:05.27 | bub3d | but it's not there |
| 20:05.34 | bub3d | i checked lspci -n |
| 20:05.40 | bub3d | and put it in kmuto |
| 20:05.57 | bub3d | i'm afraid that i miss something |
| 20:06.04 | bub3d | is it possible if there is no driver for it in the kernel |
| 20:06.08 | bub3d | to not be recognized |
| 20:06.12 | rss | bub3d: lspci not giving output of new added card means: card broken. |
| 20:06.14 | _dreamy | how do i check whats open source ATI driver coming with debian ? the OS driver on ubuntu 10.04 has so beyond better image !! ? |
| 20:06.15 | bub3d | also i do not find it in the dmsg |
| 20:06.15 | merethan | If it does not show up in lspci it is likely a hardware or firmware problem. |
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| 20:06.40 | orschiro | hi guys, is there a live cd of debian testing? |
| 20:06.57 | BuggerMe | Thanks for the comments guys, I will do some more research. I simply corrupted the drive after doing an apt-get full-upgrade and it buggered up libc. I have now managed to get into the drive so I am going to attempt to re-install libc. |
| 20:06.58 | merethan | bub3d, it is either broke or has problems with other bits of hardware in your machine |
| 20:07.06 | bub3d | hmm |
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| 20:07.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's a good serif font that looks ... reputabl(?) or respectable and at best is also windows-compatible... I had URW Palladio up to now, but think there are problems with it |
| 20:07.26 | merethan | most likely broke, bub |
| 20:07.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | should of course also betruetype |
| 20:07.39 | bub3d | i'll try to change the pci slot |
| 20:07.44 | bub3d | as I'm sure the card works |
| 20:07.55 | bub3d | i take it from onother computer |
| 20:08.03 | merethan | You could have damaged it in the process |
| 20:08.04 | bub3d | is it possible to troubleshoot if there is a conflict |
| 20:08.05 | bub3d | ? |
| 20:08.26 | bub3d | this is the 3rd card that i try |
| 20:08.27 | bub3d | :/ |
| 20:08.28 | merethan | Have you worn an anti-static leash? |
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| 20:08.46 | bub3d | nope but i usually touch metal |
| 20:08.53 | bub3d | so i dont have to have static |
| 20:08.53 | rss | bub3d: changing slot might help. is tha machine old or new? maybe you have a card slotted for universal pci that does not support a 5 volt rail or vice versa? Maybe you pci bus doesnt if the machine is old. |
| 20:08.54 | merethan | Should be fine then |
| 20:08.58 | bub3d | electricity |
| 20:09.01 | merethan | Could be other hardware as well |
| 20:09.14 | bub3d | the machine is s939 |
| 20:09.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | orschiro, didn't looking at debian-live.net answer the question automagically? |
| 20:09.20 | bub3d | i can post the lspci -n here |
| 20:09.25 | bub3d | but probably will spam |
| 20:09.28 | merethan | use a pastebin |
| 20:09.29 | karlpinc | !tell _dreamy about bdo |
| 20:09.57 | karlpinc | !tell bub3d about paste |
| 20:10.05 | merethan | bub3d, http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 20:10.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | orschiro, err, live.debian.net, it is... well, hit #1 in google anyway on 'debian live' |
| 20:11.00 | bub3d | http://paste.debian.net/95912/ |
| 20:11.02 | bub3d | thans guys |
| 20:11.03 | bub3d | :) |
| 20:11.06 | bub3d | *thanks |
| 20:11.13 | bub3d | that's my lspci |
| 20:11.49 | orschiro | ah nice, didn't find that while searching for "debian live cd" . so this is the most recent live cd where I will be able to establish a wpa connection? http://live.debian.net/cdimage/daily-builds/squeeze/current/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 20:11.57 | merethan | bub3d, there's no names in it |
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| 20:12.05 | rss | bub3d: you ight have a 3 volt pci card with a universal footprint that will not work in a 5 volt pci slot. the converse could also be true. you neet to check the wire paths on your card and mainboard. |
| 20:12.07 | orschiro | that was my problem with the netinstall |
| 20:12.14 | bub3d | http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi |
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| 20:12.19 | bub3d | you can use this service |
| 20:12.21 | bub3d | as i use it |
| 20:12.25 | bub3d | to check for the drivers |
| 20:12.54 | bub3d | i see |
| 20:13.01 | karlpinc | rss: How would you do that? |
| 20:13.07 | bub3d | unfortunately with windows this card works |
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| 20:13.16 | bub3d | it's very strange |
| 20:13.18 | bub3d | that the lspci |
| 20:13.20 | bub3d | is not updating |
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| 20:14.18 | bub3d | i'll put all the 3 lan cards |
| 20:14.19 | merethan | lspci should list it, regardless of drivers and anything alike. |
| 20:14.24 | abrotman | lspci -nn is probably more useful |
| 20:14.24 | bub3d | and will check the lspci again |
| 20:14.24 | bub3d | :) |
| 20:14.26 | abrotman | or lspci -k |
| 20:14.36 | rss | bub3d: does lspci n have differnt output with and without card? i.e. no card lspci = lspci with card? |
| 20:14.42 | bub3d | no |
| 20:14.48 | bub3d | the same output with and without card |
| 20:15.01 | karlpinc | I've never seen an lspci like that. He must not have the database installed. |
| 20:15.03 | merethan | But it works with windows in the same machine? |
| 20:15.03 | abrotman | then there is something hardware-wise wrong |
| 20:15.09 | bub3d | yes |
| 20:15.12 | abrotman | karlpinc: that's lspci -n .. he should be using lspci -nn |
| 20:15.16 | bub3d | it works with windows on the same machine |
| 20:15.24 | abrotman | bub3d: show us 'lspci -nn' and uname -r |
| 20:15.32 | merethan | so if you leave it untouched, boot windows, it works? |
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| 20:15.39 | jhutchins_lt | What's the program that returns the scancodes for a keypress? |
| 20:15.46 | abrotman | xev ? |
| 20:15.51 | bub3d | please wait for a moment till i reboot |
| 20:16.00 | bub3d | with 2 lan cards |
| 20:16.07 | nsadmin | xev? |
| 20:16.12 | merethan | No, don't touch anything |
| 20:16.13 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: That'll do. |
| 20:16.25 | nsadmin | why do you have to reboot? |
| 20:16.34 | bub3d | to put the second lan card as well |
| 20:16.37 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 20:16.39 | bub3d | there are 3 lan cards |
| 20:16.46 | bub3d | 1 on the board |
| 20:16.49 | bub3d | and |
| 20:16.52 | bub3d | oh wait O_O |
| 20:16.54 | bub3d | that's so strange |
| 20:16.55 | merethan | bub3d, when doing troubleshooting, don't change multiple parameters. When something changes, you don't know what made the change. |
| 20:16.57 | bub3d | now the 3 lan cards |
| 20:17.00 | bub3d | are recognized |
| 20:17.16 | bub3d | i see |
| 20:17.21 | bub3d | thanks for the hint merethan |
| 20:17.23 | abrotman | still waiting for that paste .. lspci -nn and uname -r |
| 20:17.27 | bub3d | i was desprete |
| 20:17.28 | bub3d | : |
| 20:17.30 | bub3d | :) |
| 20:17.30 | abrotman | !enter |
| 20:17.30 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 20:17.43 | rss | bub3d: every pci card should have its own listing in lspci! if it doesn't the its posibly broken. |
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| 20:18.24 | bub3d | http://paste.debian.net/95917/ |
| 20:18.31 | bub3d | that's the new lspci -nn |
| 20:18.43 | abrotman | and 'uname -r' ? |
| 20:18.52 | rss | bub3d: how many cards? |
| 20:18.55 | bub3d | 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 20:19.02 | bub3d | but it now seems that with the both card |
| 20:19.05 | bub3d | it works |
| 20:19.05 | bub3d | :) |
| 20:19.09 | abrotman | there are only two network cards |
| 20:19.14 | abrotman | bub3d: stop hitting the damn enter kety |
| 20:19.15 | abrotman | key |
| 20:20.04 | bub3d | the first is embeded in the motherboard |
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| 20:20.38 | bub3d | it now founds the 3 cards, but I'm not sure why the first is eth0 and the others are eth2 and eth3 |
| 20:20.54 | bub3d | eth1 is missing , any clues on why that is happening ? |
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| 20:21.20 | rss | bub3d: remove all on onboard cards. post lspci -nn. add 1 extra network card post lspci -nn. add third network card post lspci -nn. Then we can look at differences. |
| 20:21.22 | abrotman | !tell bub3d about 70 |
| 20:21.39 | jhutchins_lt | bub3d: As abrotman said, your pastebin only shows two. |
| 20:21.53 | abrotman | i could say it again if you think it would help |
| 20:22.00 | jhutchins_lt | I wonder if we have an IRQ issue here, given the two video cards? |
| 20:23.19 | rss | jhutchins_lt: double video card and triple boot plus post is why i suggested it. We can that see what appears and dissappears. |
| 20:23.28 | abrotman | why? just fix the one he has |
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| 20:26.43 | bub3d | http://paste.debian.net/95919/ - that's the list with one card out |
| 20:26.47 | bub3d | but it works now too |
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| 20:28.31 | homie | does anyone have a 256gb usb stick here ? |
| 20:28.36 | rss | bub3d: ther could be a conflict somewhere on you pci bus. please do as i asked. lspci -nn with onboard card only. lspci -nn with one extra card. and lastly lspci -nn with all three cards. let us see those results |
| 20:29.02 | bub3d | ok |
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| 20:29.53 | bub3d | is it possible to troubleshoot if there is a IRQ conflict? |
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| 20:31.31 | bub3d | rss : http://paste.debian.net/95920/ - no cards |
| 20:31.46 | bub3d | http://paste.debian.net/95919/ - one card |
| 20:32.00 | abrotman | maybe he just has to configure the card to actually work? |
| 20:32.45 | bub3d | there was no cards before to config them |
| 20:32.47 | bub3d | :) |
| 20:32.58 | bub3d | there was no trace in lspci neither on ifconfig -a |
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| 20:34.07 | rss | bub3d: first post has CK804 ethernet controller. apparently that is the onboard card. |
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| 20:34.23 | bub3d | yes |
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| 20:37.00 | rss | bub3d: seconf post shows the nvidia card and the 3com card. ifconfig -a should now show 2 ehternet cards. Check you bios for a setting that automatically switches off onbaord card if second card is installed |
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| 20:39.33 | bub3d | http://paste.debian.net/95924/ - 2 lan cards |
| 20:39.58 | bub3d | it's strange that from the moment i put both 2nd and 3 cards everything seems to act normally |
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| 20:40.43 | rss | bub3d: your third post shows all three ethernet card preasant and accounted for what does ifconfig -a say |
| 20:40.54 | bub3d | hmm |
| 20:41.08 | bub3d | ifconfig -a don't show the last 3rd card |
| 20:41.30 | the_file | if I got this correct right after squeeze is stable 7 will be released?. |
| 20:41.30 | bub3d | probably it's damaged |
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| 20:42.28 | rss | bub3d: third card is no identified as a card from a manufacturer by lspci. Possibly ther is firmware missing. |
| 20:43.00 | rss | bub3d: I'm checking pci identifier on internet BRB |
| 20:43.33 | jhutchins_lt | Disappointing bootlog does not list several errors that appear during boot. |
| 20:43.43 | merethan | Even with weird firmware requirements, I would expect it to show up. |
| 20:44.05 | jhutchins_lt | the_file: Um, are you confusing "release" with "testing"? |
| 20:44.14 | the_file | what does "frozen" mean in regards to squeeze?. |
| 20:44.16 | rss | bub3d: last card added is evidently a realtek card 8139 series. it should be supported. |
| 20:44.29 | bub3d | yes, that's the card |
| 20:44.47 | jhutchins_lt | the_file: Basically means no new programs or versions will be added, only fixes for listed bugs. |
| 20:44.55 | rss | bub3d: what does lsmod with all 3 cards (onbaord, 3com, and realtek) say |
| 20:44.58 | merethan | Realtek is just about the only vendor publishing fully open drivers |
| 20:45.08 | merethan | in the network department, i mean |
| 20:45.28 | merethan | Nearly all the others require some form of binary blob firmware to be loaded. |
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| 20:45.38 | the_file | jhutchins_lt: oww I get it, it code word fro developing right?. |
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| 20:45.51 | bub3d | http://paste.debian.net/95925/ |
| 20:45.54 | jhutchins_lt | Erm... |
| 20:45.55 | rss | bub3d: can you move one of the extra cards to a diffenet slot? if not can you switch them? |
| 20:46.25 | phek | got a versioning question with debian. when you see lenny4 in an http banner does that mean debian 5.0.4? |
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| 20:46.36 | jhutchins_lt | the_file: http://release.debian.org/ |
| 20:46.55 | bub3d | if i switch them it works perfectly |
| 20:47.05 | bub3d | first time i have done that |
| 20:47.07 | negge | has anyone successfully gotten the proprietary Nvidia drivers to work on a xen-enabled kernel (dom0)? I just spent a couple of hours trying to get it to work but all in vein |
| 20:47.33 | the_file | jhutchins_lt: do you have a clue as to when wheezy will be testing?. |
| 20:48.03 | merethan | negge, nvidia is very picky with kernel memory layouts and all what not. |
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| 20:48.22 | jhutchins_lt | the_file: Wheezy does not exist. |
| 20:48.26 | negge | merethan: well, many others seem to have gotten it to work, at least with a bit older kernels |
| 20:48.35 | negge | I tried only with 2.6.32-5-xen-686 |
| 20:48.57 | rss | bub3d: from your post i am missing the 8239too module what dows modprobe 8139too do? |
| 20:49.06 | negge | the problem is exactly as described my most people but none of the workarounds I've tried have worked |
| 20:49.12 | jhutchins_lt | the_file: If you read the policies, you will understand that Debian releases aren't on a calendar schedule but depend on a release candidate reaching quality goals. |
| 20:49.36 | merethan | negge, perhaps the Xen kernel build settings have changed recently? |
| 20:49.38 | bub3d | rss , it runs ok |
| 20:49.41 | the_file | jhutchins_lt: I read the wikipedia entry for debian |
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| 20:50.03 | rss | bub3d: does sth swithc give you 3 ethernet card in ifconfig -a id so ignore my comment about modprobe and enjoy 3 network cards |
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| 20:50.19 | bub3d | no , again 2 |
| 20:50.21 | negge | merethan: I don't know. The thing is that the Nvidia drivers should honor an IGNORE_XEN_PRESENCE variable if you set it, but it still won't work |
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| 20:50.35 | negge | compiles fine and seems to load fine and everything but X just freezes and dies |
| 20:50.40 | bub3d | but i'll trow the realtek away |
| 20:50.41 | bub3d | :) |
| 20:50.41 | jhutchins_lt | the_file: What is it you're actually trying to find out? |
| 20:50.49 | merethan | negge, the memory map something thing has to do with linking |
| 20:50.54 | bub3d | thaks a lot for your time guys, have a nice day/night! |
| 20:51.12 | the_file | jhutchins_lt: Im trying to find out if wheezy will be stabe by 2011 |
| 20:51.16 | the_file | *stable |
| 20:51.20 | the_file | or even made |
| 20:51.22 | rss | bub3d: i dont follow you it works perfectly comment? please explain. |
| 20:51.30 | merethan | linking and all that is somewhat decided when the binary is build |
| 20:51.50 | jhutchins_lt | the_file: Why? Wheezy doesn't even exist? |
| 20:52.16 | merethan | sadly I can't remember what specific memory alignment option affected the nvidia binary blobs |
| 20:52.21 | stew | the_file: no, wheezy will not be stable by 2011 |
| 20:52.30 | merethan | I ever ran into it when I was building a kernel myself |
| 20:52.40 | stew | the_file: I don't think it is likely that it would even be frozen before 2012 |
| 20:52.41 | the_file | jhutchins_lt: will it be even worked on in 2011?. |
| 20:52.50 | the_file | wow |
| 20:52.55 | stew | the_file: yes, it will be worked on as soon as it exists |
| 20:53.19 | rss | OK guys, its late where I'm at CUL8R |
| 20:53.21 | rss | quit |
| 20:53.25 | bub3d | rss , if i switch the card positions on the pci , 3 works perfect , on that position 2 works perfect, the 3rd realtek is not working , also not identified by lspci -nn |
| 20:53.26 | stew | the_file: it doesn't come into existence until squeeze is released, then it immedately gets a ton of new packages from unstable |
| 20:53.45 | jhutchins_lt | loans rss a spare / |
| 20:53.49 | the_file | stew: you mean wheezy will get a ton of new packages from unstable?. |
| 20:53.59 | the_file | or squeeze |
| 20:54.08 | jhutchins_lt | the_file: I really don't think you have a clue what you're asking. |
| 20:54.34 | rss | bub3d: do you have another slot? |
| 20:54.42 | stew | the_file: itt starts off as a duplicate of squeeze, but squeeze becomes stable, wheezy will automatically get all the update from unstable that have been waiting to move to testing but cannot because testing is currently frozen |
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| 20:54.47 | bub3d | yes but cant use it |
| 20:55.05 | rss | bub3d: why can you not use the slot? |
| 20:55.18 | the_file | stew: oww I got it |
| 20:55.32 | the_file | like kde 4.5 is one of the packages thats in squeeze which is unstable |
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| 20:55.40 | jhutchins_lt | No. |
| 20:55.45 | jhutchins_lt | squeeze is not unstable. |
| 20:55.53 | stew | the_file: http://www.debian.org/devel/testing might help you understand how testing works |
| 20:55.54 | bub3d | because the videocard is in the way between |
| 20:55.55 | bub3d | :) |
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| 20:56.40 | rss | bub3d: can you asign irq to slot numbers in your bios? |
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| 20:57.38 | bub3d | i'm not sure i can check that |
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| 20:57.57 | the_file | so the bottom line is |
| 20:58.09 | the_file | if there is a stable debian there will always be a testing one right?. |
| 20:58.27 | rss | bub3d: your 3com card is probably a 5 volt only card. that could conflict with 5 volt rail and 3 volt rail allocations on the pci bus. |
| 20:58.40 | stew | the_file: there are always : stable, testing, unstable. there is sometimes oldstable |
| 20:58.50 | neilthereildeil | hey |
| 20:59.01 | bub3d | that's pretty possible as the 3com is very old |
| 20:59.11 | neilthereildeil | which is the channel that can help with debian-live off a usb flash drive? |
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| 20:59.25 | the_file | stew: so when squeeze will replace lenny as stable wheezy will be unstable right?. |
| 20:59.33 | bub3d | i prefer it as it seems to be better company than the newer realtek |
| 20:59.46 | rss | bub3d: that could mean that adding a 5 volt card to a universal slot will disable the 3 volt rail on other unversal slots |
| 20:59.50 | spetrea-home | can someone explain why after 10 minutes of downloading a torrent on Debian my network fails completely and on Windows the same thing doesn't happen ? |
| 20:59.50 | stew | the_file: when a new codename is created it starts out as testing. at some point, when most of the next releases goals have been met, testing is frozen, so only manual updates go in. when its ready to release, the current stable codename becomes oldstable, testing codename becomes stable and a new codename is created to become the new testing |
| 21:00.06 | stew | the_file: no, wheezy becomes testing. unstable is always codename "sid" |
| 21:00.45 | streuner | spetrea-home: must be magtic :-P |
| 21:00.46 | stew | the_file: unstable is where new packages are uploaded, then, if they meet certain criteria, they are moved to testing (the criteria listed on a page i gave you earlier) |
| 21:00.59 | stew | the_file: but some stuff never makes it out of unstable for being to buggy |
| 21:01.17 | the_file | stew: so the workflow is based around the packages right?. |
| 21:01.27 | streuner | spetrea-home: torrents arent care about OSS.... |
| 21:01.28 | the_file | in the effort to make them work with as little or no bugs |
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| 21:02.08 | stew | the_file: for the individual package maintainer, perhaps. but the release team works specifically on getting a set of packages together which will make a good stable release which has acheived a predetermined set of release goals |
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| 21:02.32 | bub3d | rss i'll have that in mind and will check it |
| 21:02.34 | rss | bub3d: does the reatlek work without the 3com? does teh 3com wor without the realtek? |
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| 21:04.03 | rss | bub3d: if the cards work singularly then it means youe mainboard isprotecting 3 volt cards attached to a 5 volt rail and 5 volt cards from being underpowred on a 3 volt rail. get the same voltage cards and you problem should go away |
| 21:04.27 | the_file | stew: don't the individual package mantainers such as maintainers for kde or gimp work together?. |
| 21:04.36 | the_file | well work together with the distro maintainers |
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| 21:05.59 | stew | the_file: yes, they would, when its necessary |
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| 21:06.36 | neilthereildeil | i need to recompile the debian-live kernel with aufs statically linked into the kernel |
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| 21:07.15 | karlpinc | neilthereildeil: Have you looked at live-helper? |
| 21:07.23 | rss | OK guys. I've had it. I'm going to bed. Regards |
| 21:08.00 | Nirkus | hi! im testing xen-4.0.1 on debian squeeze. but when i try to boot the debian xen kernel as dom0 the machine just reboots on 'waiting for /dev to be fully populated'. is there something like a xen console device that needs to be mknoded or something like that? |
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| 21:09.32 | jhutchins_lt | Strange, a pretty ordinary USB stick won't mount, nor will my new camera. |
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| 21:10.05 | angel-tsankov | why does 'tracert www.google.com' does not print intermediate hops but only the last one? |
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| 21:11.08 | neilthereildeil | karlpinc: will that help me statically compile aufs into the kernel? |
| 21:11.17 | neilthereildeil | im trying to avoid using initrd |
| 21:11.36 | timw | angel-tsankov: tracert or traceroute? |
| 21:12.11 | angel-tsankov | timw: tracert |
| 21:12.59 | timw | angel-tsankov: as in the windows util? |
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| 21:13.24 | angel-tsankov | timw: yes |
| 21:13.44 | smes | guys I have a deb 64 bit, the mic is 100% but still a very very little sound can be heard after registration... how can I fix this? |
| 21:13.54 | angel-tsankov | timw: it prints the gateway and the last host only |
| 21:14.07 | angel-tsankov | no matter which host I tracert |
| 21:14.34 | timw | angel-tsankov: where's the debian box in this? |
| 21:14.56 | neilthereildeil | karlpinc: u there>? |
| 21:15.19 | angel-tsankov | timw: it is the machine that does not tracert |
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| 21:16.10 | timw | angel-tsankov: try traceroute on the debian box, does that work? |
| 21:17.00 | angel-tsankov | yes, it does |
| 21:17.01 | karlpinc | neilthereildeil: It makes a debian-live image, so you should be able to make and distribute a custom kernel. |
| 21:17.37 | smes | any idea about the mic "mute" situation? |
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| 21:17.53 | angel-tsankov | timw: after a short while, it prints out all host on the route |
| 21:18.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | the funny thing being, there is no "tracert" on debian |
| 21:18.24 | timw | angel-tsankov: ok, traceroute by default uses a udp packet, where tracert uses an icmp packet. |
| 21:18.39 | timw | CutMeOwnThroat: already pointed that out ;-) |
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| 21:19.27 | angel-tsankov | timw: so what? |
| 21:19.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | you only said it's a windows tool... there might have been a program of the same name in debian, but there isn't (there's tracert6, and tracert.db though) |
| 21:19.57 | bluegene | anyone knows where i could get a rtorrent backport for etch (sparc)? |
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| 21:21.42 | timw | angel-tsankov: ok, before you said you just got 1st & last, but now you're saying it does print all hosts on the route? |
| 21:22.25 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 21:22.27 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-rc6-686 (2.6.36~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-24); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 21:22.35 | angel-tsankov | timw: tracerotue prints all hosts on the route (after some delay), but tracert does not |
| 21:22.46 | angel-tsankov | timw: and I do have tracert on debian lenny |
| 21:22.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | smes ... is gorn |
| 21:23.19 | jhutchins_lt | angel-tsankov: Actually, so do I. |
| 21:23.25 | jhutchins_lt | angel-tsankov: Have you read the manpage? |
| 21:23.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, where the heck from? |
| 21:23.45 | angel-tsankov | jhutchins_lt: which one |
| 21:24.01 | timw | angel-tsankov:ok, so my point is udp/icmp. Some firewalls/routers block 1 or the other |
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| 21:24.40 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: Garr, what's the dpkg switch to show what package provides a given file? |
| 21:24.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, now I have it, too! and it's a softlink into alternative and it doesn't turn up in apt-file |
| 21:24.51 | angel-tsankov | ok, tracert = traceroute -I |
| 21:25.09 | timw | angel-tsankov: i.e. traceroute using icmp packets |
| 21:25.27 | jhutchins_lt | tracert links to traceroute through alternatives. |
| 21:25.38 | timw | angel-tsankov: presumably to emulare the windows tracert behaviour |
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| 21:25.41 | Xanbreon | Is there a problem to test if x is seeing kk inputs? |
| 21:25.45 | Xanbreon | *kb |
| 21:25.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, it's not there! I checked... dlocate would show it and you meant dpkg -S (and btw it's gone in squeeze) |
| 21:25.51 | bluegene | ,backport |
| 21:25.58 | jhutchins_lt | Actually, it links to tracert.db |
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| 21:26.09 | angel-tsankov | well, it is strange that hosts that use this debian box as gateway have no problem tracert'ing |
| 21:26.19 | angel-tsankov | isn't it |
| 21:26.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, that's why I was so totally surprised when it turned to be on my lenny system, too... I would have thought soft-links are also found by apt-file and co |
| 21:26.36 | jhutchins_lt | equivalent to traceroute -I if the manpage is to be believed. |
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| 21:27.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, what I first checked was of course apt-file... guess it'S some postinst script making the link and hence it doesn't turn up anywhere |
| 21:27.59 | jhutchins_lt | I need something that will give me uptime statistics for my internet connection. |
| 21:28.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... obviously, as it's from the alternative system... |
| 21:28.19 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes, qed. |
| 21:28.32 | neilthereildeil | is there a reason why the / partition on debian-live usb is aufs instead of etx3? |
| 21:28.36 | neilthereildeil | ext3* |
| 21:28.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | still... should turn up somewhere |
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| 21:28.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | shouldnt that have been hohaha? |
| 21:29.09 | angel-tsankov | why do hosts behind this box tracert normally? |
| 21:29.19 | angel-tsankov | but the host itself does not |
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| 21:33.07 | timw | any netfilter/iptables on the gateway |
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| 21:33.27 | angel-tsankov | timw: no |
| 21:33.31 | angel-tsankov | timw: none |
| 21:33.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, that's pretty annoying... means I can't say "XXX is not there in debian", because there's never any way to be sure |
| 21:34.08 | angel-tsankov | timw: in fact, I do have a postrouting rule |
| 21:34.21 | angel-tsankov | timw: it does the masquerading |
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| 21:34.28 | timw | angel-tsankov: ah, care to share it? |
| 21:34.48 | angel-tsankov | timw: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE |
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| 21:40.17 | fuzzybunny69y | Hey everyone I have a Sony Vaio VGN-CR520D and it has a really annoying light that blinks at the bottom of my laptop whenever I close the lid and I am just wondering how I would go about disabling it in Ubuntu. I know how to disable it in Vista but then when I reboot into Ubuntu it is active still. In Vista there is a Sony utlity that gets installed where you can disable it but I am not sure how to adjust the setting in Ubunt |
| 21:40.17 | fuzzybunny69y | u. If anyone could help I would love you forever. Thanks |
| 21:40.19 | angel-tsankov | timw: I thinks this delay is due to debian's tracert and traceroute; rhel ones do not have the same problems |
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| 21:40.59 | timw | angel-tsankov: when you say delay, do you see the full ouput eventually |
| 21:41.14 | angel-tsankov | timw: eventuall, yes |
| 21:41.32 | angel-tsankov | *eventually |
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| 21:42.10 | angel-tsankov | timw: traceroute spits out the replies from 3 hosts at once |
| 21:42.22 | angel-tsankov | timw: instead of do this for each host at a time |
| 21:42.23 | timw | angel-tsankov: does it speed up if you add the -n flag? |
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| 21:43.07 | angel-tsankov | timw: oh, quite a bit :) |
| 21:43.30 | angel-tsankov | timw: with -n, I get the output instantaneously |
| 21:43.30 | timw | it's having trouble resolving the names |
| 21:44.04 | timw | angel-tsankov: reverse dns lookup |
| 21:44.36 | angel-tsankov | timw: what is more, tracert -n prints all hosts on the route |
| 21:44.55 | angel-tsankov | without -n, tracert only prints the first and last hosts |
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| 21:47.15 | timw | angel-tsankov: ok, 1st host is local and it probably knows about, last host you told it. Sounds like it's not successfully reverse looking anything in between up. |
| 21:47.38 | angel-tsankov | timw: exactly |
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| 21:49.08 | timw | angel-tsankov: what do you get if you nslookup one of the ip addresses from the middle of the trace? |
| 21:49.22 | preller | i've enabled root access on my ssh server, restarded the server and still can't connect to it with my root login. it fails with this error message: Permission denied (publickey). |
| 21:50.41 | angel-tsankov | timw: a very quick response containing the name |
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| 21:51.55 | timw | angel-tsankov: and the server & address at the top are what you'd expect? |
| 21:52.13 | timw | angel-tsankov:i.e. what you think should be your dns server |
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| 21:53.36 | angel-tsankov | timw: yes, the address is 212.73.141.38 (this is my dns server; it is scpecified in /etc/resolv.conf) |
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| 21:55.02 | angel-tsankov | timw: first line of nslookup output is: 'Server:212.73.141.38', and second line is: 'Address:212.73.141.38#53' |
| 21:55.34 | angel-tsankov | timw: I'm not sure about that '#53' |
| 21:55.54 | simonrvn | it's the port... |
| 21:55.54 | timw | angel-tsankov: that's the DNS service udp&tcp port number |
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| 21:56.59 | angel-tsankov | so, everything seems fine |
| 21:56.59 | zfe | hello |
| 21:57.05 | zfe | my notebook has 2 graphic cards |
| 21:57.09 | zfe | how can i decide which one to use |
| 21:57.22 | simonrvn | pick one |
| 21:57.41 | angel-tsankov | timw: I have one more problem, this one with VirtualBox and bridged networking |
| 21:57.55 | somiaj | angel-tsankov: did you get the routing to work? -- did a bit of reasearch, seems a bridge connenctino between devices is a different layer than routing (as I suggested) -- for your case either method will work, just wanted to let you know there is a distinction. |
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| 21:58.17 | zfe | simonrvn: how? |
| 21:58.34 | angel-tsankov | somiaj: I installed latest version of VBox -- it has better support for bridging |
| 21:58.40 | simonrvn | eeny, meeny, miny, mo, catch a tiger... |
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| 21:59.08 | somiaj | angel-tsankov: oh good, I had no issue when I used VBox to set up a virtual device and connect it to my physical device (I never had to set up a bridge -- it did it all for me) |
| 21:59.23 | angel-tsankov | somiaj: but now I have a different kind of problem |
| 21:59.51 | angel-tsankov | somiaj: the VM does not get dhcpack's from a dhcp server on the host |
| 21:59.59 | qwd | preller: when I got that message it was because of the .ssh folder containing authorized_keys didn't have the correct permissions. |
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| 22:02.05 | qwd | preller: every directory above that needs to have correct permissions as well |
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| 22:03.02 | somiaj | angel-tsankov: a bit out of my experience...best of luck |
| 22:03.16 | angel-tsankov | somiaj: thanks |
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| 22:04.27 | timw | angel-tsankov: I'd be tempted at this point to tshark/wireshark the internet facing I/f of the gateway, then try 1 slow local trace & 1 from an inside hosts that works & then compare. Filter for icmp and udp53 (and maybe tcp53 as well but probably not) |
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| 22:06.12 | angel-tsankov | timw: could you guide me throut this all this |
| 22:06.13 | preller | qwd: but it works with my normal user so it has the correct permissions, right? |
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| 22:06.51 | qwd | preller: not sure. did you look at the log? |
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| 22:07.21 | somiaj | angel-tsankov: what are you trying to do, set up a server inside a virtual box that needs its own ip? |
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| 22:07.52 | angel-tsankov | somiaj: I'm trying to make a VM get its address from the dhcp server on the host |
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| 22:08.26 | somiaj | angel-tsankov: yes, but I'm wondering why your VM needs its own address. Does giving it a static address work just fine? |
| 22:08.59 | angel-tsankov | somiaj: not sure how to set a static ip address on rhel |
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| 22:10.04 | timw | angel-tsankov: got to drop off soon ... but ... gui access to the gateway? |
| 22:10.36 | angel-tsankov | timw: I'm loggin in gateway |
| 22:10.43 | angel-tsankov | *logged in |
| 22:11.10 | timw | angel-tsankov: if so run up wireshark, if not we're on tshark |
| 22:11.31 | angel-tsankov | timw:whatever you like |
| 22:11.41 | timw | you have gui? |
| 22:11.49 | angel-tsankov | timw: yes, I do |
| 22:12.12 | timw | wireshark installed? |
| 22:12.25 | angel-tsankov | timw: yes, just installed it |
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| 22:13.44 | timw | see your internet facing I/f on the I/f list? |
| 22:14.32 | angel-tsankov | timw: yes |
| 22:14.34 | angel-tsankov | it is eth1 |
| 22:14.37 | preller | qwd: looks like i don't have any sshd logs :( |
| 22:15.07 | preller | loglevel is set to info in sshd_config |
| 22:15.45 | timw | click on it should start capturing (wait, how heavy the traffic at the moment?) |
| 22:15.57 | angel-tsankov | timw: not very much |
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| 22:16.18 | angel-tsankov | timw: I started capturing on eth0 -- the LAN interface that is bridged |
| 22:17.09 | timw | bridged to? |
| 22:17.17 | angel-tsankov | timw: it looks like only dhcp discover requests are received on this interface and no dhcpack is sent |
| 22:17.37 | angel-tsankov | timw: it is used in bridged networking by a VM |
| 22:18.01 | timw | on the gateway |
| 22:18.08 | timw | ok |
| 22:18.42 | angel-tsankov | this box serves as a gateway for the LAN and for the VMs |
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| 22:20.28 | timw | angel-tsankov: ok, start capture on eth1 |
| 22:20.49 | angel-tsankov | timw: done |
| 22:20.53 | timw | and create a filter for icmp & udp 53 |
| 22:20.58 | timw | like |
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| 22:21.12 | timw | udp.port == 53 || icmp |
| 22:22.01 | poisonbit | tcpdump -n -i eth1 proto ICMP or proto UDP and port 53 |
| 22:22.15 | simonrvn | poisonbit++ |
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| 22:22.23 | poisonbit | o/ |
| 22:23.11 | angel-tsankov | timw: not sure how to create such a filter |
| 22:23.34 | poisonbit | don't worry, I'm not sure of being myself |
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| 22:24.13 | angel-tsankov | timw: on the interfaces list, I click the options button for eth1 |
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| 22:24.26 | timw | just stick that in the box next to filter, or you can use poisonbit's tcpdump syntax above |
| 22:25.12 | angel-tsankov | timw: ok, I'm done |
| 22:26.12 | timw | ok try the working trace and the slow one & compare what happens |
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| 22:28.25 | angel-tsankov | timw: the slow traceroute seems to send some packets with incorrect checksums |
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| 22:29.26 | timw | and you don't see those on the other one? icmp or dns packets |
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| 22:29.58 | angel-tsankov | timw: with traceroute I can only see DNS packets |
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| 22:31.07 | angel-tsankov | timw: sorry, I'm not that familiar with protocols |
| 22:32.16 | angel-tsankov | timw: it looks like DNS all packets sent from my host to my dns server have incorrect checksums |
| 22:32.33 | angel-tsankov | *all DNS packets |
| 22:32.47 | timw | do you see replies |
| 22:32.52 | angel-tsankov | yes, I do |
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| 22:33.05 | timw | can't be all bad then ;-) |
| 22:33.09 | angel-tsankov | for each request, there is a single reply |
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| 22:33.39 | timw | and the reply says? |
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| 22:34.55 | angel-tsankov | timw: some say 'no such name' |
| 22:35.12 | stew | has anyone switched from nagios to icinga? should I? if i do, would I have to be completely reworking my current nagios infastructure? |
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| 22:35.35 | timw | that's fair, I have some like that too, and some std quest responses |
| 22:36.08 | timw | I mean std. query response |
| 22:36.16 | angel-tsankov | timw: well, it seems I do have some std responses, too; btw, what is the purpose of all this |
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| 22:38.30 | timw | To see what's different. Did you see any icmp go past at all. I'd expect a bunch of TTL exceededs |
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| 22:44.45 | qwd | preller: /var/log/auth.log ? |
| 22:44.52 | timw | angel-tsankov: got to skoot. |
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| 22:59.02 | jauiwojau | Question: is there a way to make the output of a process (that have written yourself) to appear as a file in the file system (and not a directory, such as device files)? |
| 22:59.12 | abrotman | script |
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| 23:00.17 | jauiwojau | correction: (that YOU have written yourself) |
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| 23:00.54 | abrotman | man script |
| 23:00.54 | jauiwojau | abrotman: was that an answer to my question? |
| 23:01.02 | jauiwojau | abrotman: ah, it was... |
| 23:01.25 | abrotman | jauiwojau: or you can redirect the output with "./your_script &> outfile" or whatever you want |
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| 23:03.09 | jauiwojau | abrotman: ah but that doesn't work I think, I want to do something more complicated. If the OS makes a random access request to the file, I also want to respond accordingly. |
| 23:03.29 | abrotman | why would it? |
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| 23:03.55 | abrotman | if you want something else, describe it better |
| 23:04.13 | jauiwojau | abrotman: I want to make an encrypted file appear as a normal file to the system by placing come process in between. |
| 23:04.20 | jauiwojau | come = some |
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| 23:04.41 | jauiwojau | a file that behaves normally (so allowing random access) |
| 23:05.01 | jauiwojau | assuming of course that the file has been encyrpted with a block cipher etc. |
| 23:05.46 | abrotman | okay, thoroughly confused now! |
| 23:05.52 | jauiwojau | but perhaps there is already a solution for this? |
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| 23:10.52 | EmeraldCat | maybe library interposition is what you are looking for? |
| 23:10.59 | EmeraldCat | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7795 |
| 23:11.11 | EmeraldCat | you could reimplement the open/read calls? |
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| 23:13.59 | jauiwojau | emeraldcat: currently reading... |
| 23:14.09 | jauiwojau | (your tips) |
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| 23:15.19 | jeward | So, I installed the non-free nvidia driver because I need to get higher resolution out of the video card, but it doesn't show higher resolution options. Could this be limited by the monitor attached? |
| 23:15.47 | EmeraldCat | here's another tutorial, this one showing how to reimplement malloc: http://www.jayconrod.com/cgi/view_post.py?23 |
| 23:16.13 | somiaj | the free nv driver should be able to get all the resolutions just fine jeward -- it is either your xorg.conf file or when it detected your monintor it decided it couldn't handel higher resolutions. |
| 23:16.15 | abrotman | jeward: certainly |
| 23:16.33 | jeward | Okay, let me connect it to the target monitor. |
| 23:16.33 | abrotman | jeward: you might want to make sure you're not still using nv |
| 23:16.42 | jeward | I think I am not. |
| 23:16.56 | jeward | nvidia 7086148 24 |
| 23:17.05 | jeward | i2c_core 19828 2 nvidia,i2c_i801 |
| 23:17.16 | jeward | agpgart 28808 2 nvidia,intel_agp |
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| 23:17.20 | somiaj | just because the nvidia module is loaded, doesn't mean that xorg is using the nvidia module |
| 23:17.24 | jeward | That's the non-free, right? |
| 23:17.45 | somiaj | less /var/log/Xorg.log will tell you what module its using |
| 23:17.57 | jeward | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.21 | somiaj | ok (also you should see the nvidia logo at startup -- a sign your using the non-free version) |
| 23:18.33 | somiaj | do you know if your monintor can handel the resolution you want? |
| 23:18.35 | jeward | I did see the nVidia logo. |
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| 23:19.05 | jeward | Maybe it can't, let me connect it to the monitor it's supposed to be connecting to (it's a noc). |
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| 23:19.16 | jeward | brb |
| 23:19.19 | somiaj | jeward: sounds like your running the non-free module just fine, so its a monintor issue. |
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| 23:19.27 | jauiwojau | emeraldcat: ah you mean really reimplementing part of the device drivers of my file system? |
| 23:19.39 | EmeraldCat | jauiwojau: I think if you reimplement read, you could decrypt on the fly...just catch the program's read code, perform a read yourself to get the encypted blocks, decrypt and then return them. |
| 23:19.46 | nvz | anyone know of a panel applet for turning on and off the wifi? like rmmod/modprobe style or something.. |
| 23:20.03 | jauiwojau | jauiwojau: ah, I see... |
| 23:20.08 | EmeraldCat | jauiwojau: Not a device driver, but a libc function. |
| 23:20.10 | anonymouse89 | I have a big problem :( The MBR of one of the disks that is part of an md-device was overwritten with grub by the debian installer. mdadm still sees the device, but there is a seriously corrupted partition table on the device (ie md0). Ideas? |
| 23:20.21 | xuser | nvz: network-manager? |
| 23:20.50 | nvz | xuser: I use wicd.. but see no way of doing it with that |
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| 23:21.44 | nvz | actually I think I can maybe make my wifi profiles just rmmod the driver when I disconect now that I think about it |
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| 23:22.17 | nvz | no wait.. that doesn't work cause then i cant see them with the radio off for it to turn it on.. |
| 23:22.24 | nvz | screw it.. might just make two icons |
| 23:23.05 | nvz | on a netbook the radio is one of the more power consuming devices and a lot of the time I am not using it.. |
| 23:24.45 | jauiwojau | emraldcat: thanx for the tips, going to investigate them more thoroughly soon, I have to go to bed now! |
| 23:24.52 | EmeraldCat | np! |
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| 23:28.33 | kexman_ | hello |
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| 23:30.26 | jeward | Wow, that's strange, when I hooked it up to the right monitor, I'm getting a kernel failure message and it appears not all of gnome started or at least I can't see all of it. |
| 23:30.28 | kexman__ | anyone could tell me how to change mirrors for Linux Mint Debian, package updates are a bit slow and there should be a debian mirror really close to me :) |
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| 23:31.29 | jeward | Why would changing the monitor cause a kernel failure? |
| 23:32.31 | dondelelcaro | kexman_: we have nothing to do with Mint |
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| 23:33.02 | kexman_ | dondelelcaro: yeah but i though they are using packages from debian with this new LinuxMint debian release |
| 23:33.07 | jeward | The good news is, I get the proper resolution. |
| 23:33.22 | dondelelcaro | kexman_: sure, but we've got nothing to do with Mint or their mirror network |
| 23:33.28 | Brent1 | 0.0 Wow. I wasn't expecting so many people. Haha |
| 23:33.40 | kexman_ | dondelelcaro: where would i see where its getting its packages ? |
| 23:33.46 | kexman_ | /etc/apt/source.list ? |
| 23:33.48 | abrotman | kexman_: ask #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org |
| 23:33.56 | kexman_ | abrotman: thank |
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| 23:35.39 | Brent1 | I have a question for you all. I want a distro that can install to and run well off of an 8gb flash drive. I also want it to be good for programming (Java, php, html, python, all that stuff). What would you recommend? |
| 23:36.25 | sedulous | Debian |
| 23:36.29 | sedulous | testing |
| 23:37.12 | kexman_ | thanks |
| 23:37.55 | EmeraldCat | Brent1: BTW, here is a way you can write an ISO image to a flash drive: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net |
| 23:38.12 | Brent1 | Also, I'm on a netbook with 2gb of RAM. Would that really make a difference with Debian? |
| 23:38.36 | Brent1 | Thanks EmeraldCat, but I already have it on my desktop. It's a nice program |
| 23:38.48 | EmeraldCat | np |
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| 23:39.04 | medusaXX | hi |
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| 23:39.58 | medusaXX | i've got a udev rule which does not work: DEVPATH=="/block/hde" SYMLINK=+"hde" |
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| 23:40.05 | medusaXX | can anybody tell me why? |
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| 23:40.44 | dondelelcaro | medusaXX: what do you expect that rule to do? |
| 23:40.52 | dondelelcaro | it looks nonsensical to me |
| 23:41.14 | medusaXX | i need a device node for hde |
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| 23:41.26 | dondelelcaro | medusaXX: one will be created if there is an hde |
| 23:41.44 | medusaXX | hm |
| 23:41.52 | dondelelcaro | medusaXX: what are you actually trying to do? what is the real problem? |
| 23:42.10 | medusaXX | there is no device node for my hard disks |
| 23:42.34 | medusaXX | i have an old debian installation which i upgraded step by step |
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| 23:42.38 | medusaXX | beginning from woody |
| 23:42.39 | dondelelcaro | medusaXX: do you see the disks in dmesg? |
| 23:42.55 | medusaXX | yes, they are being recognized at boot time |
| 23:43.03 | medusaXX | i always have custom kernels |
| 23:43.10 | medusaXX | i had no udev until now |
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| 23:43.33 | dondelelcaro | medusaXX: and so what precisely is happening? is the root filesystem not being mounted? or what? |
| 23:43.37 | medusaXX | the system boots successfully but after udev is mounted/started there is no device node for my hard disks |
| 23:43.42 | medusaXX | it is mounted |
| 23:43.51 | dondelelcaro | medusaXX: udev is started in an initrd |
| 23:43.56 | medusaXX | i have no initrd |
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| 23:44.36 | medusaXX | my kernel is booting, it mounts /dev/hde1 |
| 23:44.43 | medusaXX | probably from old static device nodes |
| 23:44.50 | dondelelcaro | medusaXX: what is the output of ls -l /dev; cat /proc/partitions; ? |
| 23:44.50 | medusaXX | or i dont know how |
| 23:45.00 | dondelelcaro | medusaXX: do you only have one root filesystem? |
| 23:45.17 | dondelelcaro | err, a single filesystem on / without separate /usr, /home, etc? |
| 23:45.23 | medusaXX | yes single / |
| 23:45.37 | medusaXX | partitions shows / mounted at /dev/hde1 |
| 23:45.44 | medusaXX | and a udev at /dev |
| 23:45.47 | dondelelcaro | that's not what partitions shows. |
| 23:45.54 | dondelelcaro | provide the output I asked for |
| 23:46.01 | dondelelcaro | use a paste site to do it |
| 23:46.06 | medusaXX | ok mom |
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| 23:47.55 | medusaXX | http://paste.debian.net/95949/ |
| 23:48.45 | Brent1 | What are the differences between the "... CD-4" and CD-5 and all that when downloading Debian? Which one do I need? |
| 23:50.00 | medusaXX | dondelelcaro: my system has no initrd, all drivers are included in the kernel image i compiled myself |
| 23:50.08 | medusaXX | therefore root=/dev/hde1 works |
| 23:50.37 | medusaXX | then udev is started after init got into runlevel S |
| 23:50.46 | medusaXX | /etc/init.d/rcS.d/S02udev |
| 23:51.26 | medusaXX | it mounts a udev /dev pseudo file system and links the devices according to the /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 23:51.42 | medusaXX | but mysteriosly my hard disks are missing :( |
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| 23:52.29 | stew | Brent1: you need cd1. the other cds are just cds full of packages for the case that you need to use them to install packages on a machine which can't fetch packages from the internet |
| 23:52.34 | medusaXX | although it exists under /sys/block/hde |
| 23:52.56 | Brent1 | Ok. Thanks stew! |
| 23:53.05 | stew | Brent1: or intead of cd1, you can get the netinst which is even smaller and contains only packages you definately need. everything else that you want on top of a base system gets downloaded from the internet |
| 23:53.05 | medusaXX | dondelelcaro: have you seen http://paste.debian.net/95949/ ? |
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| 23:56.17 | Brent1 | Ok, thanks stew. |
