| 00:00.39 | LinuxGuy2009 | After I use debmirror to download a repository, whats the next step to create a repo disc? |
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| 00:03.32 | tharkun | karlpinc: sorry i managed to freeze screen and i couldn't recover it |
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| 00:23.17 | factor | When is libre office going to be in debian |
| 00:23.24 | LinuxGuy2009 | If I follow a premade repo disc layout I can use dpkg-scanpackages to create the Packages.gz file, but how do I create a release file? Do I just do that by copying one from an existing disc and just edit it by hand or is there a tool to generate one? |
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| 00:24.03 | dondelelcaro | LinuxGuy2009: use apt-ftparchive |
| 00:24.18 | LinuxGuy2009 | dondelelcaro: Cool thank you. |
| 00:24.25 | dondelelcaro | factor: when the maintainers of openoffice get around to it; sooner if you help them. |
| 00:24.34 | factor | http://www.documentfoundation.org/download/ |
| 00:24.47 | factor | its available now. |
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| 00:25.19 | dondelelcaro | factor: yes, the maintainers know all about it. Packaging openoffice is non-trivial, and takes significant time. |
| 00:25.20 | indecipherable | After I put bash scripts into /var/local/sbin what would be the correct chmod to allow all users to access the script from any directory? |
| 00:25.40 | dondelelcaro | factor: if you want to see it happen faster, helping to triage bugs or working on the maintainer team would be excellent |
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| 00:25.56 | dondelelcaro | indecipherable: scripts don't belong in /var/local/sbin |
| 00:27.16 | indecipherable | i meant /usr/local/sbin |
| 00:27.18 | indecipherable | sorry |
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| 00:28.37 | dondelelcaro | indecipherable: if all users should be able to execute it, it belongs in /usr/local/bin; if only system users or the superuser should normally, it goes into /usr/local/sbin |
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| 00:28.53 | dondelelcaro | indecipherable: by default, /usr/local/bin is in user's path (and /usr/local/sbin is in root's path) |
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| 00:31.00 | indecipherable | thank you! |
| 00:31.00 | indecipherable | so much |
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| 00:33.43 | python_guy | hey do you guys know how to make grub boot from an lvm partition, on an mdadm raid array? |
| 00:34.24 | dondelelcaro | python_guy: you don't, generally speaking |
| 00:34.27 | dondelelcaro | indecipherable: np |
| 00:34.51 | python_guy | dondelelcaro: so youd recommend i just take /boot out of the lvm? |
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| 00:35.08 | dondelelcaro | python_guy: right. My usual configuration is a /boot which is raid1 across all disks |
| 00:35.22 | dondelelcaro | python_guy: grub2 *can* boot off of an lvm, but I'm not sure if it can do it in all configurations |
| 00:35.48 | python_guy | yea it seems to not like doing both at the same time |
| 00:35.49 | dondelelcaro | (and sacrificing 50-100M of each disk is easier than having to struggle with lvm and grub) |
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| 00:36.39 | python_guy | yea. i didnt think ahead through and raided everything. ill have to just resize it |
| 00:36.42 | python_guy | thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 00:40.15 | dondelelcaro | np |
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| 00:40.28 | postmodern | is there a package for udis86 ? |
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| 01:11.49 | smacnay | hmm - got rid of network manager in an attempt to get twitux working and not such luck. I had to remember how to edit the interfaces files and it took a few seconds to get the eth0 device up and running. |
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| 01:21.03 | queso | I just installed debian for the first time. Should I assume iceweasel is, for all intents and purposes, the same as firefox? Are the version numbers the same? |
| 01:21.14 | nevyn | queso: yes. |
| 01:21.25 | queso | nevyn: great, thank you. |
| 01:21.46 | smacnay | queso, and icedove is basically thunderbird |
| 01:21.53 | nevyn | Mozilla Corp refuse to licence the trademark to debian. |
| 01:22.03 | dvs | and iceape is |
| 01:22.07 | dvs | well... you know |
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| 01:22.30 | queso | nevyn: what modifications has debian made to firefox? seems to be an unfortunate state of affairs. |
| 01:23.11 | nevyn | queso: there's a fundamental difference of opinion on patch and software management between mozilla and debian |
| 01:23.22 | nevyn | debian says stable releases only get bug fixes. |
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| 01:23.52 | nevyn | mozilla says everyone should run the latest project release. |
| 01:24.44 | queso | nevyn: So is it possible to get 3.6.10? |
| 01:24.59 | queso | nevyn: or, the 3.6.x line? |
| 01:25.29 | nevyn | not in debian stable. |
| 01:25.33 | nevyn | that's sorta the point |
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| 01:25.47 | queso | nevyn: k, I understand. :) |
| 01:26.20 | nevyn | you can install it from lenny-backports |
| 01:26.30 | nevyn | it has 3.5.12.2 |
| 01:26.49 | nevyn | but it's no longer debian stable and hasn't had the same level of integration testing. |
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| 01:29.54 | queso | Does debian have distribution upgrades, such as when a major release is made? (I've been using ubuntu for the last 1.5 years now) I understand debian and ubuntu have different philosophies regarding stability and release cycles, etc. |
| 01:31.13 | dvs | queso: you usuaaly have to follow the instructions in the manual to do an upgrade |
| 01:31.35 | akkad | just ask in #ubuntu as if it was ubuntu and you will get replies :P |
| 01:33.58 | stew | queso: yes, we will always provide a detailed procedure that upgrades you from one release to another |
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| 01:35.25 | queso | dvs, stew: That's good to hear. Thanks |
| 01:35.59 | stew | queso: its sometimes more detailed than it needs to be for 90% of the upgrades, but its that way so its guaranteed to work in many more situations |
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| 01:37.49 | tholl583xx | I have a big raid disk, 9.3TB, but if I go to fdisk and try to create the largest possible partition, it seems to come out at 2TB |
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| 01:38.13 | tholl583xx | I am re creating an earlier partition so I know that its possible to get one that big |
| 01:39.51 | dondelelcaro | tholl583xx: you have to create a GPT partition, which fdisk doesn't support |
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| 01:40.33 | tholl583xx | ohh i need parted |
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| 01:46.52 | thepro4ever | if i know the year , day and month say 09212010 or any other date for that matter how can i calculate the next day in a shell script? |
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| 01:50.33 | AJenbo | hi, i'm trying to build a very simple .deb, it is just a simple package to distribute som binary files |
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| 01:51.31 | AJenbo | I modled my package on the source of a similare package, but i don't seam to understand what commands to run to build the actuall .deb file |
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| 01:52.11 | AJenbo | I run the debuild -S command and it generates a few .tar.gz and signes a file, but i don't see any .deb |
| 01:52.27 | AJenbo | any idears what i might be missing? |
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| 01:53.27 | thepro4ever | basically, how do i get the next day from a date i provide in a shell script |
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| 01:59.28 | thepro4ever | wtf does -mtime=1 mean, last modified on the 24th hour from now, last modified on the 24th hour from the beginning of today, what i want is files from yesterday |
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| 02:00.51 | AJenbo | doh, just run debuild with no parameaters... :) |
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| 02:17.34 | simonrvn | someone needs their meds... |
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| 02:20.58 | thepro4ever | wtf does -mtime=1 mean, last modified on the 24th hour from now, last modified on the 24th hour from the beginning of today, what i want is files from yesterday |
| 02:21.52 | Dewi | thepro4ever: it's not very precise |
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| 02:23.42 | Dewi | thepro4ever: matching a day should be pretty easy tho; I'd filter via grep: find -printf '%T+ %p\n' | grep '^2010-10-04' |
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| 02:25.28 | thepro4ever | Dewi: yeah but i want to do an exec on what i find as well |
| 02:26.28 | Dewi | thepro4ever: I would use xargs - find -printf '%T+ %p\n' | cut -d' ' -f2- | xargs -r ls -ld |
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| 02:26.59 | Dewi | thepro4ever: otherwise build the date matching into your exec |
| 02:32.04 | Dewi | thepro4ever: the 'date' command can get you a date to filter on: DT=$(date '+%F' -r .bashrc) ; if [ $DT = '2009-05-05' ]; then echo yes; fi |
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| 02:44.03 | ktims | pulling my hair out - years ago i implemented spamassassin with postfix, and now i want to reconfigure it, but i can't for the life of me figure out how it's getting called. it's not through master.cf or a content_filter, it's not through procmail. grepping for spamc in /etc finds nothing. any other suggestions? |
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| 02:50.53 | acu | I installed Kolab in Debian Squeeze - everything seems OK - only if I try to access the kolab through webadmin - it tells me Could not bind to LDAP server: Invalid Credentials |
| 02:52.03 | karlpinc | ktims: Via /etc/postfix/master.cf |
| 02:52.13 | karlpinc | ktims: Oh, you said no. |
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| 02:53.24 | karlpinc | ktims: Look in /usr/local/{s,}bin for something that invokes spamc, then grep for that in /etc. |
| 02:55.10 | thepro4ever | i just want to find files modified on a date |
| 02:55.13 | thepro4ever | wtf |
| 02:55.45 | rking | Strange. One of my kids must've done something odd, and now my DVD tray is open, and whenever I shut it it pauses for about 5 seconds and then reopens. I tried watching everything in /var/log/*, but nothing seems to change when it re-ejects. |
| 02:55.52 | rking | thepro4ever: What are you trying? |
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| 02:56.32 | Demosthenes | any points in making a bluetooth headset into an ALSA microphone? |
| 02:57.12 | rking | thepro4ever: find ~ -atime 5 # this finds all files in ~ that have been accessed in the last 5 days. |
| 02:57.17 | karlpinc | rking: You could look at dmesg. But I suppose it could be the hardware. |
| 02:57.53 | rking | karlpinc: Wouldn't anything that dmesg would show also be showing in /var/log/* ? |
| 02:58.02 | thepro4ever | rking: find ./mymusic -newermt '2008-04-15' |
| 02:58.10 | karlpinc | rking: (Assuming that the fs was not mounted with noatime.) |
| 02:58.23 | thepro4ever | rking: i need to be able to specify random dates |
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| 02:58.40 | karlpinc | rking: You'd think so, but I'm not sure that's always true. |
| 02:59.08 | rking | thepro4ever: I don't know what -newermt is (not in manpage), but -newer expects a file as an argument, as in "-newer foo" = find files newer than file "foo" |
| 02:59.22 | karlpinc | thepro4ever: How about the find -daystart option? |
| 03:00.26 | rking | karlpinc: Worst case: touch --date '2008-04-15' /tmp/stampy; find ~/wherever -newer /tmp/stampy |
| 03:00.27 | karlpinc | thepro4ever: Note that you can use touch to create files for find's -newer. (It's awkward, but it works. I never figured out the elegant approach having gotten worn out by then.) |
| 03:00.48 | rking | high-fives karlpinc. |
| 03:02.56 | karlpinc | rking: cleanup () { rm -f /tmp/stampy ; } ; trap cleanup EXIT |
| 03:03.46 | karlpinc | rking: export STAMPY=/tmp/stampy.$$ |
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| 03:05.46 | rking | karlpinc: Robustish. |
| 03:08.30 | LV-426 | after listing some dir's contents with 'ls -l', i'd like to switch to bash vi mode, move the cursor up a line, copy line with 'yy', move down & exit vi mode. the whole seq. should look like 'ls -lESC<up>yy<down>ESC' ... stuck on the 'up' 'down' which operate with history - any tips? |
| 03:08.46 | rking | LV-426: set -o vi |
| 03:10.01 | rking | LV-426: Then it's just ls -l<ESC>kyyj$p |
| 03:10.18 | rking | LV-426: Although in that case I would just do: ls -l !! |
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| 03:13.08 | karlpinc | LV-426: (That seems a bit of overkill. In emacs mode you'd: ^p^p enter to re-execute the next-to-previous line. |
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| 03:14.07 | rking | karlpinc: He's not trying to reexecute the previous line (which would be <esc>k enter in vi mode), but to append the previous line to the current line's "ls -l", which is why I vote for ls -l !! |
| 03:14.12 | LV-426 | not sure if i was clear enough - i'm trying to copy the output of ls |
| 03:14.30 | LV-426 | at some arbitrary line above... |
| 03:14.32 | rking | No, I'm totally wrong. |
| 03:14.41 | rking | LV-426: And then put it where? |
| 03:14.56 | rking | uses $(!!) a lot, it's easy to type if you just hold down shift. |
| 03:15.04 | LV-426 | just paste it into a new cmd i'm composing |
| 03:15.27 | rking | LV-426: Try: ls -l<enter> echo $(!!) |
| 03:17.33 | LV-426 | figured the current content's of the shell could be dumped into memory, edited like a file & then back to the command line |
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| 03:18.38 | rking | LV-426: You have a few options there. You could use GNU screen (which is always advised, anyway), and do ^A<esc> then yank the region and ^A] to paste it |
| 03:19.48 | karlpinc | LV-426: There's also the mouse cut and paste, fwiw. hilight to copy, middle button to paste. |
| 03:19.49 | rking | LV-426: You could do !! | vim - |
| 03:20.20 | cafuego | Anyone here tried the current daily squeeze netinst and found their USB keyboard stopped working after the splash screen? |
| 03:20.32 | rking | And don't forget !! > /tmp/x <enter> vim $_ |
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| 03:22.06 | LV-426 | well i'll give gnu screen a go ... karlpinc avoiding the mouse is the ultimate goal... |
| 03:22.29 | izua | hello, i'm trying to install 5.06 via netinstall on an asus k52f laptop. i suppose it can't be done via wifi, but it doesn't see my eth nic either (jmicron 520). the driver used by ubuntu and gentoo is 'jme.ko' |
| 03:22.57 | izua | where should i copy it (path on a stick) so the installer can see it? |
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| 03:23.13 | rking | Or, in zsh, you can run the command, hit <esc>kv (the v goes into "edit with vi"), then on the line do a !!<ret> (from within vim, which will execute it & replace it with the output of the cmd), then when you quit out of that editor the contents of that temporary file is the new command. |
| 03:23.13 | izua | or can I alternatively cp it from the stick to the /lib/modules of the setup system? |
| 03:23.25 | karlpinc | izua: You may need a newer kernel. The kmuto installers have newer kernels. |
| 03:23.31 | karlpinc | !tell izua about kmuto |
| 03:24.03 | karlpinc | izua: If it's a firmware issue see the installation guide at debian.org. It has detailed instructions. |
| 03:24.25 | karlpinc | !installer firmware |
| 03:24.25 | dpkg | Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04 and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 03:24.42 | izua | karlpinc: no, the driver simply isn't included |
| 03:24.44 | rking | LV-426: I take it back, bash has the 'v' key from within vi mode, too. You'll like it. |
| 03:25.39 | karlpinc | izua: Newer kernel then. Use a kmuto installer. Then, before rebooting, (or using the installer as a rescue disk) install a newer kernel from bpo. (The kernel in the installer is not necessairly what's installed.) |
| 03:25.48 | karlpinc | !tell izua about bpo |
| 03:26.10 | karlpinc | !bdo kernel |
| 03:26.10 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to add backports.debian.org to your sources.list correctly. You can then "aptitude update && aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'`" (i.e. linux-image-686, linux-image-amd64). "/msg judd kernels" to see a list of kernels in Debian. |
| 03:26.59 | LV-426 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:27.10 | LV-426 | rking, which shell are you using ? |
| 03:27.17 | karlpinc | can't handle vi |
| 03:27.37 | rking | LV-426: What was the command before that? (ls -l ?) |
| 03:27.38 | izua | hmm ok, one more thing, should i go for amd64 insted of i386? i'm only interested in the extra ram, but i think that can be solved with pae |
| 03:27.47 | rking | LV-426: That should work in bash and zsh |
| 03:28.24 | karlpinc | izua: I hear i386 is recommended for desktops. I assume because 3rd party (flash, skype, etc.) does not support amd64 very well. |
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| 03:28.34 | karlpinc | izua: YMMV. |
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| 03:29.06 | rking | LV-426: Are you sure you remembered the '-' at the end? vim doesn't like to get data piped into it without it. |
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| 03:30.37 | rking | LV-426: Did you try the 'v' key from the shell's vi cmd mode? |
| 03:30.46 | rking | has to go. |
| 03:31.36 | LV-426 | still chewing on it ... it was essentially !! | vim - , exit then (by mistake ) again |
| 03:31.58 | LV-426 | rking, thanks i'll give it a go... |
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| 03:33.15 | karlpinc | !tell izua about amd64 |
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| 03:58.38 | squigle | how can I find out what files exist inside a package (trying to track down a library) |
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| 04:02.14 | kierkee | hi. list of official debian repos? how do i get it? |
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| 04:05.55 | peterrooney | aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search <regexp filename> |
| 04:06.37 | peterrooney | squigle: if you're curious about what's in a package (and not which package some odd file is in), dpkg -L <package> |
| 04:06.53 | LV-426 | rking, cool - screen looks pretty close to what i've been looking for |
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| 04:09.56 | kierkee | peterrooney, thank you. |
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| 04:10.23 | echosystm | is LXC stable enough to use in production? |
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| 04:40.42 | thepro4ever | is debian a rpm based distro? |
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| 04:49.43 | peterrooney | that takes the cake for facepalm question of the week |
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| 04:50.43 | Vasistha | ... and I have rebooted with both utc=on and utc=off set in rcS |
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| 05:05.28 | Piratero_ | Hello everyone. |
| 05:05.49 | Piratero_ | Any reason why Eclipse is no longer available in Lenny? |
| 05:06.48 | stew | Piratero_: because of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=574356 |
| 05:07.03 | Piratero_ | Thanks. |
| 05:07.05 | Piratero_ | I'll look into it. |
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| 05:08.04 | stew | Piratero_: btw, i foudn this by going to http://packages.qa.debian.org/eclipse and looking at the "news" section |
| 05:08.06 | Piratero_ | Damn. |
| 05:08.12 | Piratero_ | Oh, thanks. |
| 05:08.22 | Piratero_ | Well, my developer team is wanting me to get it. |
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| 05:08.32 | Piratero_ | I prefer Emacs, but the debugger is what I need. |
| 05:08.37 | Piratero_ | :-( |
| 05:08.41 | Piratero_ | It totally goes against my beliefs. |
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| 05:11.25 | stew | and this, folks, is why its better to not let new upstream versions into a stable release :) |
| 05:12.34 | Piratero_ | :-((( |
| 05:12.50 | stew | this time it was a necessary evil to get security fixes into stable when we don't have the manpower to backport them all |
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| 05:13.11 | Piratero_ | Damn, I have to practically upgrade to testing... |
| 05:13.38 | stew | in this case it was a choice of leaving a vulnerable iceweasel, or removing eclipse, i suppose |
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| 05:14.04 | stew | Piratero_: you'd probably want to install from source if you want to stay on stable |
| 05:14.20 | Piratero_ | stew: It fails on build-deps. |
| 05:14.27 | Piratero_ | stew: Should I just build them? |
| 05:14.50 | Piratero_ | How can I get the build-dep to build the dependencies from source? |
| 05:15.29 | stew | Piratero_: you'd have to build the build-deps. no there is no way to automatically build the missing build-deps |
| 05:15.39 | stew | Piratero_: i mean it might be time to leave the debian packages for this |
| 05:15.56 | Piratero_ | ? |
| 05:16.18 | Piratero_ | Oh, you mean install the precompiled deb files? |
| 05:16.26 | Piratero_ | But wouldn't that mix stable with testing? |
| 05:16.32 | stew | no |
| 05:16.38 | Piratero_ | Hm? |
| 05:16.41 | Piratero_ | OK. Hold on... |
| 05:16.47 | stew | you don't want ot mix stable with testing |
| 05:16.55 | Piratero_ | Oh, |
| 05:16.59 | stew | i mean go to eclipse.org, download the tarball and follow their instructions |
| 05:17.04 | Piratero_ | Ah |
| 05:17.07 | Piratero_ | Fuck. OK. |
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| 05:17.11 | stew | i dunno |
| 05:17.27 | stew | Piratero_: you could also try asking #debian-java on irc.debian.org for advice |
| 05:17.28 | Piratero_ | ll this for bloated IDE... |
| 05:17.33 | Piratero_ | OK. |
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| 05:17.57 | stew | Piratero_: if i were not also a emacs addict, i might make fun of your preferred bloated ide :) |
| 05:18.14 | Piratero_ | Heh |
| 05:18.23 | Piratero_ | I mean, I prefer Emacs and Vi over anything, really. |
| 05:18.33 | stew | same |
| 05:18.34 | Piratero_ | But in this case, I need to quickly get a debugger up and running. |
| 05:18.47 | stew | i prefer to think of emacs as a guest os |
| 05:18.57 | Piratero_ | Virtualization? |
| 05:18.59 | Piratero_ | :-P |
| 05:19.11 | stew | sure |
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| 05:25.04 | Piratero_ | Hey, I just ran eclipse and that was totally painless. |
| 05:25.12 | Piratero_ | I'm really surprised. |
| 05:25.28 | Piratero_ | Of course, it's bringing my little netbook to its knees, but that's OK. |
| 05:25.31 | Piratero_ | </sarcasm> |
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| 05:36.26 | Faustus | hi all |
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| 05:39.13 | kingsley | Hi Faustus |
| 05:39.33 | Faustus | Say, I'm looking at installing Debian onto a macbook pro 15 and am left scratching my head because the corresponding wiki still says that rEFIt needs to be installed from OS X. CAn't all this be handdled from the D-I? |
| 05:39.39 | Faustus | hi |
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| 05:40.01 | Alagar | hi all. any one can give the good doucmentation for Webalizwer installation? |
| 05:41.03 | kingsley | Faustus: I'd be happy to answer your question if I happened to know, but the short answer is that I dunno. |
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| 05:42.05 | Alagar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.17 | kingsley | Faustus: Having said that, I do remember that when I was learning linux and debian, I took the liberty of playing around with reinstalling, and did it several times, until I was comfortable with it and knew that I could re-install again if I had to. |
| 05:43.14 | Faustus | yeah, I've installed Debian more than 30 or 40 times but never on a EFI machine. |
| 05:43.16 | kingsley | Faustus: If it's not necessary to have the macbook pro 15 up and running tomorrow, maybe you could experiment with installs too. |
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| 05:44.21 | kingsley | Alagar: That looks like "yet another Google research project" (aka "yagrp"). |
| 05:44.36 | kingsley | Alagar: Have you searched Google's indices yet? |
| 05:44.38 | Faustus | If you don't do it correctly, you end up without accel. And reinstalling all the iem was fun when I was younger and didn't depend on my computer for my livelyhood --true enough |
| 05:44.54 | songer | hello i'm looking some program like this one: http://www.obsltd.com/centennial.htm |
| 05:45.10 | Faustus | I perfer to read up a lot and therefore know what to expect. |
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| 05:46.11 | kingsley | Faustus: Everything you write makes sense. Have you spent much time searching Google's indices for insight? |
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| 05:47.18 | Faustus | do http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook#Singleboot.2BIBMDebianonly and http://refit.sourceforge.net/ count? |
| 05:49.20 | kingsley | Faustus: It seems to me that, sure, they count, but maybe you'll find a more satisfactory answer if you keep searching. |
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| 05:52.14 | kingsley | songer: The debian/linux applications that seem to me to resemble it are: discover, nmap and avahi. |
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| 05:54.02 | kingsley | Faustus: For what it's worth, it has been my experience that uncommon questions, like yours, are more likely to be answered by searching Google's indices than by happening to stumble across someone who knows on IRC. |
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| 06:01.44 | salieri | hey howdy, do any of you use XFS/JFS/Reiserfs? how has it worked for you? |
| 06:02.12 | salieri | i've heard that reiser can epic fail on a disastrous crash |
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| 06:02.54 | salieri | but never used it myself on a production system (just straight up ext2,3); just wondering if anyone here has used the others on debian. thanks. |
| 06:03.08 | Faustus | The only one of those I trust is Reiserfs. It's been stable and fast for me, although not for everyone |
| 06:03.21 | salieri | oh why not for everyone? |
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| 06:03.55 | simonrvn | only one i haven't used is reiserfs |
| 06:03.59 | Faustus | wikipedia explains a situation where correption can creep in |
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| 06:04.48 | salieri | Faustus: would you say reiser can be used on a laptop(i.e. the power might cut out once) |
| 06:05.03 | salieri | simonrvn: what was your experience with XFS or JFS? |
| 06:05.20 | Faustus | you do have a battery, don't you? |
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| 06:05.50 | salieri | sure but what happens when it runs out |
| 06:06.00 | simonrvn | i wouldn't, like i wouldn't use xfs (though it's also improved on that point). i still wouldn't use xfs on a laptop because of the higher cpu use compared to ext* or jfs |
| 06:06.15 | salieri | huh. |
| 06:06.21 | simonrvn | though the tests i saw might be out of date now |
| 06:06.23 | salieri | i wonder if that's due to the b+ trees |
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| 06:06.33 | simonrvn | (2, 3 years old now) |
| 06:06.39 | salieri | oho compression |
| 06:06.41 | salieri | eeeinteresting. |
| 06:06.51 | salieri | jfs has lz compression which yeah spikes cpu |
| 06:07.39 | kingsley | I'd like to put in a good word for data recovery tools, like fsck. |
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| 06:07.54 | salieri | fsck, idapro, heh |
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| 06:08.38 | cesurasean | Can someone help me with this issue? Please?! - http://pastebin.com/7uZD8bpH ; http://pastebin.com/9HXpChN8 ; http://pastebin.com/YiBbY6Ar ; seems to be this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/360378 |
| 06:08.44 | Faustus | btrfs? |
| 06:09.10 | Faustus | ZFS? |
| 06:10.06 | karlpinc | Any comments on http://wiki.debian.org/UserPrivateGroups ? |
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| 06:10.55 | salieri | nah i gotta pick one of the three, reiser, jfs, or xfs |
| 06:11.09 | salieri | tho yeah readding about butter and z |
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| 06:11.53 | Faustus | you should consider what you're going to use them for |
| 06:11.54 | karlpinc | salieri: I'd throw out reiser as one unlikely to move forward. |
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| 06:12.18 | Faustus | I'm not an expert but i know they all have their own strengths and weaknesses |
| 06:12.30 | KB1JWQ | cesurasean: Have a short description of what the problem is? |
| 06:13.17 | Faustus | resier stil gets patches and security updates & v4 is still in development |
| 06:13.26 | rubin110 | Is there a way to disable any captions in a screen session while it's still active? |
| 06:13.41 | karlpinc | Just got done writing this wiki page: |
| 06:13.44 | karlpinc | !user private groups |
| 06:13.45 | dpkg | somebody said user private groups was a system configuration idiom which allows users to collaborate by granting shared access to a directory and it's content. Access is controlled by associating each collaborative project team with a Un*x group and then granting Un*x group membership to the userids of the designated project members. See: http://wiki.debian.org/UserPrivateGroups |
| 06:14.00 | KB1JWQ | Wrong its. |
| 06:14.22 | salieri | hrm reiser has block journaling, xfs and jfs dont |
| 06:14.28 | cesurasean | check out the links i sent. you will see. it seems to be described here; but i don't have a working system. - http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/ubuntu-initrd-bug.html |
| 06:14.36 | simonrvn | !user private groups =~ s,it's,its, |
| 06:14.37 | dpkg | OK, simonrvn |
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| 06:14.53 | salieri | tho xfs, jfs have snapshots |
| 06:15.34 | salieri | hrm JFS has copy on write which might be neat |
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| 06:16.18 | karlpinc | simonrvn: *argh* Thanks. |
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| 06:19.22 | simonrvn | er? |
| 06:20.01 | karlpinc | simonrvn: I just wrote the factoid/wiki page. (And have a trigger happy ' key.) |
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| 06:20.19 | simonrvn | oh, thank KB1JWQ ;) |
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| 06:21.28 | karlpinc | The one thing I'm not clear on is how or whether there's any policy involved in configuring user private groups. That is, whether the requsite system defaults are subject to change. |
| 06:22.17 | D4rKr0W | There is 1 newly obsolete package: debian-backports-keyring < do i just safely aptitude purge it? |
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| 06:24.12 | salieri | weird did they change the backports key? |
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| 06:25.16 | salieri | oh haha i see what you mean about fsck |
| 06:25.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | salieri, if he upgraded to squeeze... |
| 06:25.20 | salieri | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reiserfs#Criticism |
| 06:25.37 | salieri | oh nod that would make it obsolete |
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| 06:27.30 | salieri | hrm i take it that the reiserfs in the lenny install is not reiser4 (how could it be, since lenny is 2 yrs old) |
| 06:27.34 | cesurasean | Can someone help me with this issue? Please?! - http://pastebin.com/7uZD8bpH ; http://pastebin.com/9HXpChN8 ; http://pastebin.com/YiBbY6Ar ; seems to be this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/360378 |
| 06:28.07 | salieri | lol someone give that man a turing test |
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| 06:28.27 | Faustus | reiser4 is not finished if I recall and hasn't been accepted into the Linux kernel |
| 06:28.36 | salieri | nod. |
| 06:28.56 | Faustus | so you have to make your own patched kernel --something I've always avaoided but can be done |
| 06:30.00 | salieri | oh hey so is it still the thing to custom compile your kernel |
| 06:30.08 | salieri | i recall back in the day it was |
| 06:30.10 | salieri | tho not so sure now |
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| 06:31.09 | karlpinc | D4rKr0W: There's a debian-announce email vis backports becoming offical and what you need to do. See the list archives via debian.org. |
| 06:31.16 | salieri | ah so unlink is not sync on reiser so if machine is off before disk syncs you get frags |
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| 06:32.44 | deusr | olá! |
| 06:33.27 | deusr | alguém conhecealguém no canal? |
| 06:33.36 | deusr | alguém conhece o Fernando do forumdebian? |
| 06:34.23 | salieri | i should go to rio one of these days |
| 06:34.36 | deusr | ops, sorry |
| 06:34.58 | D4rKr0W | karlpinc: you mean this? http://backports.debian.org/news/backports.org_moved_to_backports.debian.org/ |
| 06:34.58 | salieri | what is with the "?" hrm maybe my unicode is broken |
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| 06:36.13 | D4rKr0W | or maybe someone is using a different charset than yours |
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| 06:36.39 | slipttees | http://pastebin.com/K66mfrER |
| 06:36.48 | slipttees | i need help, please |
| 06:36.50 | slipttees | :-( |
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| 06:43.42 | D4rKr0W | has anyone updated freetype? |
| 06:43.56 | D4rKr0W | i get a warning about bug #592399 |
| 06:44.10 | slipttees | please help: http://pastebin.com/K66mfrER |
| 06:44.28 | D4rKr0W | slipttees: if nobody's responding, its probably because nobody can help :( |
| 06:45.00 | slipttees | :-( |
| 06:45.47 | D4rKr0W | slipttees: you should also refrain from just writing "please help |
| 06:45.54 | karlpinc | D4rKr0W: No, this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2010/msg00012.html Pretty much the same thing. |
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| 06:46.11 | D4rKr0W | try to be more descriptive about your issue and maybe you'll get somebody to help you |
| 06:47.27 | D4rKr0W | karlpinc: there's no talk about keyrings over there, do i assume they updated the debian main keyring to add the backports team's keys? |
| 06:47.27 | slipttees | D4rKr0W: create custom livecd |
| 06:47.30 | karlpinc | slipttees: It looks a lot like you're using ubuntu. Try typing /msg dpkg ubuntu here. |
| 06:48.05 | Dewi | slipttees: it looks like it wants file and directory specified separately |
| 06:48.05 | slipttees | karlpinc: i'm create custom livecd,, it's okay |
| 06:48.14 | slipttees | only create iso i have this problem |
| 06:48.24 | slipttees | Dewi: what? |
| 06:48.54 | karlpinc | D4rKr0W: It says that's what they're doing. |
| 06:48.58 | Dewi | slipttees: you haven't specified any files for the CD |
| 06:49.33 | slipttees | O.o |
| 06:49.36 | Dewi | slipttees: you need to add a reference to the directory you want to be copied onto the CD |
| 06:49.41 | Dewi | slipttees: it's in the manual |
| 06:50.25 | slipttees | Dewi: sudo mkisofs -D -r -V "ubuntu-live-custom" -cache-inodes -J -l -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -o /home/suporte/ubuntu-10.04.1-desktop-custom-i386.iso |
| 06:50.46 | Dewi | slipttees: I don't need it again. You're making a filesystem. You haven't specified any *files* to go into the filesystem |
| 06:50.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | cesurasean, that's just a lot of pastebins... from which we can guess that your system doesn't boot... but not what you did ... also, it doesn't get clear what file/output each pastebin is... |
| 06:50.56 | D4rKr0W | karlpinc: my bad, i didn't read carefully, thanks for pointing it out to me |
| 06:51.20 | slipttees | Dewi: i don't understand |
| 06:51.26 | slipttees | i'm joke |
| 06:51.27 | slipttees | :-( |
| 06:52.14 | Dewi | slipttees: if the isolinux.bin image is really all you need, just give it an empty directory or something to put in the filesystem |
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| 06:52.34 | Dewi | slipttees: but I would have thought you wanted a CD full of files |
| 06:53.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | cesurasean, I guess this is squeeze? The ubuntu bug seems to give the solution, you just don't use labels... look for a bug in bugs.debian.org - if there is none yet but this happens, it would be good to write one and work out under what conditions that happens |
| 06:53.21 | slipttees | Dewi: i have full file |
| 06:53.30 | slipttees | isolinux |
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| 06:54.42 | Dewi | slipttees: well, create an empty dir and add it to the end of the command. mkdir /tmp/blah |
| 06:55.10 | Dewi | slipttees: sudo mkisofs ... /tmp/blah |
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| 06:57.11 | slipttees | :-) |
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| 06:57.33 | slipttees | Dewi: fuck man, u are geniu :D |
| 06:57.39 | slipttees | thx very much |
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| 06:57.40 | slipttees | :D |
| 06:57.50 | Dewi | np |
| 06:58.00 | cesurasean | dewi, snce you are so genius, mind helping me out? |
| 06:58.03 | cesurasean | :) |
| 06:59.27 | slipttees | Dewi: genisoimage: Uh oh, I cant find the boot catalog directory 'isolinux'! |
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| 07:00.11 | Dewi | cesurasean: ubuntu boot problems are way off-topic |
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| 07:00.23 | slipttees | :-) |
| 07:00.27 | Dewi | cesurasean: sounds like it can't find the filesystem with that uuid, anyway |
| 07:01.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dewi, it doesn't look like ubuntu, more like a bug that happens on ubuntu and squeeze |
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| 07:01.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | but as I just explained to him, he's just throwing up a lot of pastebins and we should make something out of it |
| 07:02.02 | Dewi | yeah, needs way more context cesurasean |
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| 07:02.41 | Dewi | slipttees: okay, so -b and -c need to be relative to the target filesystem root |
| 07:03.10 | Dewi | slipttees: so you need to: cp -i isolinux/* /tmp/blah/ |
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| 07:03.29 | Dewi | slipttees: then specify relative, like this: -b isolinux.bin -c boot.cat |
| 07:03.47 | Dewi | slipttees: this is all documented in 'man genisofs' |
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| 07:04.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | cesurasean, how about telling us what version of debian that is for a start? |
| 07:05.04 | slipttees | Dewi: livecd/cd/isolinux |
| 07:05.15 | slipttees | i intro livecd/cd |
| 07:05.24 | Dewi | slipttees: I know. |
| 07:05.38 | Dewi | slipttees: maybe you should 'cd .. |
| 07:05.40 | Dewi | ' |
| 07:06.09 | salieri | cesurasean: what's the result of cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:06.09 | Dewi | slipttees: then sudo mkisofs -D -r -V "ubuntu-live-custom" -cache-inodes -J -l -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -o /home/suporte/ubuntu-10.04.1-desktop-custom-i386.iso cd |
| 07:06.33 | salieri | ugh, buntu :-P |
| 07:07.00 | slipttees | Dewi: :D |
| 07:07.07 | slipttees | well done |
| 07:07.07 | slipttees | :D |
| 07:07.23 | slipttees | i love u WebDawg |
| 07:07.25 | slipttees | ops |
| 07:07.26 | slipttees | kkkkkkkk |
| 07:07.35 | slipttees | Dewi: |
| 07:07.40 | slipttees | :-) |
| 07:07.40 | Dewi | salieri: more like 'you BUNTU' |
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| 07:08.01 | Dewi | salieri: it sounds dirty if you say it aggressively enough, with gestures |
| 07:08.12 | Dewi | np slipttees, try not to flood the channel ok? |
| 07:08.22 | mjmt | Odd, cat /etc/debian_version on my gf's machine running Ubuntu, says "squeeze/sid". |
| 07:08.39 | slipttees | Dewi: okay, soory, i'm happy |
| 07:08.40 | slipttees | :D |
| 07:08.51 | Dewi | mjmt: heh, maybe they leave that on there. That's what it's based on after all |
| 07:09.00 | Faustus | night all |
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| 07:11.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | mjmt, try dpkg -l libc6 instead... also uname -a will look differently |
| 07:11.44 | salieri | it should really be called sudobuntu |
| 07:12.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | I feel uncomfortable with grub2... it worked out-of-the-box when going to squeeze on one machine |
| 07:13.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | but if it broke, I wouldn't even know what files it uses |
| 07:14.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially as the old grub is still around |
| 07:14.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well... will find out |
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| 07:21.28 | salieri | yo debian dudes, do you guys mostly fly with custom kernels or just the generic linux-image ? |
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| 07:21.47 | Dewi | salieri: almost everyone uses the images |
| 07:21.55 | salieri | wow. |
| 07:22.01 | Dewi | it's really not. |
| 07:22.11 | Dewi | there's these things called modules... |
| 07:22.15 | salieri | but i remember when it was all about custom kernels |
| 07:22.19 | salieri | yeh true modules |
| 07:22.39 | salieri | oh hrm i guess they probably removed all the random stuff in the kernel |
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| 07:22.59 | Dewi | debian is more about consistent management and robustness than performance tuning |
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| 07:23.43 | Dewi | CutMeOwnThroat: hah, I only just got over lilo -> grub :P |
| 07:23.55 | mjmt | I remember it taking a fair while to be comfortable with how Debian compiled their kernels. Now though it seems like micro-optimization. |
| 07:23.57 | salieri | oh man i kinda miss lilo |
| 07:24.15 | salieri | i kinda have a large gap in my linux usage |
| 07:24.18 | mjmt | Of course it always was micro-optimization, really. |
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| 07:24.34 | salieri | like i ran debian 2.x and 3.x and then skipped 4 and now have lenny |
| 07:24.43 | salieri | sarge? i think was the one i used before this |
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| 07:25.09 | salieri | so the erm "community policy shifts" i'm kinda not current on |
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| 07:25.42 | salieri | it used to be all about recomp the kernel just to even get apm working or something like that, or least it was for me |
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| 07:25.51 | salieri | btw what ever happened to apm |
| 07:25.57 | mjmt | ACPI |
| 07:27.26 | salieri | oh and before debian i ran freebs which at the time was all about not using kernel generic (LINT) config file, so maybe that coloured my experience |
| 07:27.49 | salieri | kinda still miss softupdates |
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| 07:31.52 | Ironhand | can anyone explain to me how debian's (lenny) update-initramfs decides which driver modules should be included? I'm trying to figure out whether the bnx2 driver is included on one system but not on another (same hardware, one system is an older install with xen, the other a newer without xen) |
| 07:32.04 | Ironhand | s/whether/why/ |
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| 07:35.19 | Ironhand | in fact the initrd image on the first system is less than half the size of the one on the second system, anyone able to explain that difference? |
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| 07:45.24 | dumb1 | does anyone know how to make a bootable usb key with debian-live-506-amd64-standard.img from windows? |
| 07:45.37 | dumb1 | that could point me in the right direction? |
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| 07:57.09 | SlayerXP | dumb1: google unetbootin |
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| 08:08.06 | doxy2 | hi |
| 08:08.14 | doxy2 | how can i find out my current fb resolution? |
| 08:08.16 | doxy2 | clear |
| 08:08.33 | doxy2 | hwinfo --framebuffer doesn't seem to output it |
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| 08:22.09 | mryanbrown | I installed vsftpd, and wanted to setup nopriv_user. I noticed regardless of that setting, theres a vsftpd processed spawned by root. is this normal? I mean is there always a root processed spawned by root? |
| 08:23.18 | SlayerXP | mryanbrown: what happens when you connect? |
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| 08:24.56 | mryanbrown | i connect fine, i cant write because i have that option disabled |
| 08:25.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | mryanbrown, ports under 1000 are privileged... so if you're not running the service based on inetd, yes, it's not only "normyl", but unavoidable |
| 08:25.44 | mryanbrown | i notice if i leave nopriv_user commented out, i spawn a process under root, ftp, nobody. if i uncomment it and use ftp/ftpsecure as a user i get root, ftp/ftpsecure and not a nobody. |
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| 08:26.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | privileged == only root can use those ports (and ftp listens on 21) |
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| 08:26.30 | mryanbrown | okay, so to use the standard port, root must spawn it? |
| 08:26.38 | mryanbrown | so nopriv_user only works on ports > 1000? |
| 08:27.00 | karlpinc | Given a page on the debian wiki, is there any way to tell what pages link to it? |
| 08:27.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure what "nopriv_user" is supposed to do exactly |
| 08:27.33 | mryanbrown | # It is recommended that you define on your system a unique user which the |
| 08:27.33 | mryanbrown | # ftp server can use as a totally isolated and unprivileged user. |
| 08:27.33 | mryanbrown | #nopriv_user=ftpsecure |
| 08:27.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | usually services have a small code-subset that does the stuff as root and then spawns a second process that drops privileges... |
| 08:28.28 | mryanbrown | thats what i thought, the process running as ftp is a child of root |
| 08:28.44 | mryanbrown | and if it is, theres no point in specifying a different user, or uncommenting that option |
| 08:28.59 | mryanbrown | like a debian/upstream incompatability that doesn't apply |
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| 08:29.18 | The_Ace | mryanbrown, did you create a system user as ftpsecure ? |
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| 08:30.24 | mryanbrown | i did, and the only noticible change was the processes of vsftpd spawned by ftp/nobody became ftpsecure/ftpsecure |
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| 08:31.30 | The_Ace | isnt that what its supposed to do ? |
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| 08:31.53 | mryanbrown | i dont see a difference between ftp/nobody and ftpsecure/ftpsecure permission wise |
| 08:32.12 | mryanbrown | does nobody have higher privileges? |
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| 08:32.35 | The_Ace | no but other services are run by the nobody group as well |
| 08:32.48 | karlpinc | mryanbrown: No processes are supposed to run as nobody, so you know something in the fs with nobody is secure. |
| 08:33.08 | karlpinc | mryanbrown: Which is why your daemon should have it's own dedicated username. |
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| 08:35.30 | mryanbrown | okay |
| 08:35.50 | mryanbrown | so then i shouldnt need to create ftpsecure, and just change ftpsecure to the already existing ftp account to accomplish the same goal |
| 08:36.16 | mryanbrown | ftp is a member of nogroup, chould i remove it? |
| 08:36.34 | mryanbrown | should* |
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| 08:43.47 | mryanbrown | i realize the last question makes no sense now |
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| 09:08.45 | Unirgy | hi, is there a ncurses diff tool? |
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| 09:14.02 | sphenxes01 | I am trying to install ampache under squeeze. dpk -i ampache. Then i try to http://localhost/ampache/install (error: Not found). How can I continue my installation of ampache under squeeze or lenny? |
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| 09:23.41 | bolt-work | sphenxes01: is ampache running? |
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| 09:24.24 | sphenxes01 | bolt-work, good question. how can i start it (sorry i thought it is already running) |
| 09:24.29 | bolt-work | sphenxes01: also, ampache is in debian. why are you installing from a deb? |
| 09:24.54 | randy_ | could anyone tell me how to show chinese in tty(without x) |
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| 09:26.09 | bolt-work | !chinese |
| 09:26.09 | dpkg | hmm... chinese is Find Chinese on Debian at http://www.debian.org/intl/zh/, or try the channel #Chinese, or /j #debian-zh |
| 09:26.12 | bolt-work | they probably know |
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| 09:26.41 | Oldrie | How can I change my default icons. For example *.mp3 *.pdf, etc. |
| 09:26.57 | bolt-work | Oldrie: your icons in what? |
| 09:27.37 | Oldrie | Debian 5.0. |
| 09:27.47 | randy_ | bolt-work, thank you,I join debian-cn |
| 09:27.52 | Oldrie | I want to change my default icons for file types. |
| 09:28.07 | bolt-work | Oldrie: kde/gnome/xfce/something else? |
| 09:28.16 | Oldrie | Oh, sorry. Gnome. |
| 09:28.23 | bolt-work | try #gnome, then :) |
| 09:28.38 | Oldrie | Haha, Alright. |
| 09:28.40 | randy_ | bolt-work, There on one there |
| 09:28.52 | randy_ | bolt-work, There is no one there |
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| 09:29.01 | bolt-work | oh, sorry |
| 09:29.03 | bolt-work | ##gnome |
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| 09:31.09 | Oldrie | No one there wants to talk right now. Lol |
| 09:31.15 | Oldrie | At least I got a reply here. |
| 09:31.26 | bolt-work | i don't use gnome though :) |
| 09:31.41 | krion | me neither |
| 09:31.48 | Oldrie | I have tried searching sooo much. I can't find it. |
| 09:31.49 | Oldrie | Lol |
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| 09:31.56 | krion | isn't the interface for nazi, gnome ? |
| 09:32.11 | bolt-work | ? |
| 09:32.42 | krion | i though that's was linus torvalds say |
| 09:32.46 | randy_ | where can get debian support for chinese |
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| 09:33.22 | bolt-work | randy_: where dpkg said |
| 09:33.51 | randy_ | bolt-work, (Invite only channel) |
| 09:34.10 | Oldrie | How would you go about changing default file type icons in xfce? That may get me somewhere. |
| 09:34.30 | themill | randy_: #debian-zh on irc.oftc.net |
| 09:34.55 | randy_ | themill, Thank you |
| 09:34.56 | bolt-work | Oldrie: that's in the control panel somewhere. appearance or something. i don't use xfce either though :) |
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| 09:35.10 | Oldrie | Haha, What do you use? KDE? |
| 09:35.17 | bolt-work | Oldrie: awesome |
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| 09:35.54 | mjmt | krion: Linus probably wouldn't be so absurd as to compare Nazism to a desktop environment. |
| 09:35.54 | Oldrie | Haha. I tried KDE and the only one I liked was an old version of Sabayon. |
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| 09:36.08 | triplc | hi all |
| 09:36.10 | bolt-work | !awesome |
| 09:36.10 | dpkg | well, awesome is a dynamic floating and tiling <window manager>. http://awesome.naquadah.org/ #awesome on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 09:36.51 | triplc | how to get menu correct in windowmaker? i've just install wmaker but i see that the menu does not have correct applications install. |
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| 09:38.37 | triplc | do i need to run something like menu-maker to generate the menu? |
| 09:39.20 | mjmt | triplc: If you're using Debian's menu system, update-menus |
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| 09:40.33 | triplc | mjmt: yes, i am using Debian Lenny. But I cannot find update-menus (aptitude search update) |
| 09:41.11 | themill | ,file bin/update-menus |
| 09:41.14 | judd | bin/update-menus in lenny/i386: menu: usr/bin/update-menus |
| 09:41.18 | mjmt | Actually I don't think it'll help you. It's more about automatically generating when you install/remove apps. |
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| 09:41.32 | mjmt | But the package is called "menu". |
| 09:41.45 | triplc | ok |
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| 09:42.06 | mjmt | Maybe you're looking at WindowMaker's default, which Debian's menus might be better than. |
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| 09:42.58 | triplc | thanks it works :-) |
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| 09:48.43 | Shadur | ARGH. I know there's at least several fairly good HTML/website design packages in debian, but I'm completely blocking on the name or a good search term for apt-cache search. |
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| 09:49.29 | courpse | design packages? |
| 09:49.42 | mjmt | Shadur: bluefish? |
| 09:49.43 | courpse | You mean IDE thingsd? |
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| 09:51.09 | Shadur | Yah. |
| 09:51.27 | mjmt | Shadur: Something like this is useful: apt-cache search html | grep -i edit |
| 09:51.27 | Shadur | mjmt: THANK YOU. Christ, that hurt my head. |
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| 09:52.25 | mjmt | In lieu of some fancy aptitude feature I have no clue about (I don't even have aptitude installed). |
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| 09:54.19 | mjmt | Shadur: Oops I completely missed that you suggested apt-cache to begin with. |
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| 09:58.15 | Shadur | mjmt: I was trying, yeah. But I kept going for "html design" or "website creator" and kept coming up with cruft. |
| 09:59.57 | mjmt | Shadur: You could have a look at gtk-apps.org, kde-apps.org etc. |
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| 10:01.58 | mjmt | Like searching freshmeat and SF, but for desktop environment snobs. |
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| 10:25.52 | elulu | Cannot execute /dev/null: Permission denied I get this when I try to become root... think its because i've had a user with samme passwd as root ?? |
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| 10:28.36 | elulu | any thoughts? |
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| 10:28.58 | blip2 | elulu: in /etc/passwd what does it say at the end of the top line? |
| 10:29.42 | M`vy | You think about default shell set to /dev/null? |
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| 10:30.10 | blip2 | indeed |
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| 10:36.20 | elulu | blip2: cant see that.. cause I cant become root you see :) |
| 10:36.32 | valdyn | elulu: you get that because the login shell of root is /dev/null |
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| 10:36.55 | valdyn | elulu: see /etc/passwd |
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| 10:37.42 | elulu | valdyn: says root:x:0:0:root:/root:/dev/null |
| 10:37.45 | valdyn | elulu: dont need to be root to see |
| 10:37.55 | valdyn | elulu: change that to /bin/bash |
| 10:38.35 | elulu | valdyn: well cant edit it -> [ Error writing /etc/passwd: Permission denied ] |
| 10:38.37 | valdyn | elulu: you dont need to log in to become root either |
| 10:38.43 | valdyn | elulu: man su |
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| 10:39.11 | valdyn | elulu: so if you just become root without logging in then that /dev/null is not used |
| 10:40.16 | elulu | valdyn: youre saying to have to direct login as root? frist |
| 10:40.19 | elulu | first* |
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| 10:40.35 | valdyn | elulu: i am saying that you do *not* have to log in as root to be root |
| 10:40.47 | Shadur | valdyn: su won't help, although sudo might. |
| 10:41.09 | valdyn | Shadur: man su |
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| 10:41.16 | Shadur | I'd still consider that a very dangerous security measure, though. |
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| 10:42.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, actually, you're sure? I thought even if your run a command... if it has options, it will run via a shell (at least if it has options) |
| 10:42.29 | elulu | afraid I dont follow you |
| 10:42.31 | elulu | :( |
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| 10:42.42 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: tias, or read the manpage |
| 10:42.48 | valdyn | elulu: type "su" |
| 10:42.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | might work with an optionless command, though |
| 10:42.56 | valdyn | elulu: when prompted enter your password |
| 10:43.12 | elulu | thats what im am doing.. |
| 10:43.18 | elulu | and get that error |
| 10:43.23 | Shadur | that'll start root's default shell - which is /dev/null |
| 10:43.44 | Shadur | You /might/ be able to bypass it by specifying what shell to start. |
| 10:44.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | elulu, su -c /bin/bash |
| 10:44.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh |
| 10:44.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | elulu, forget that :) |
| 10:45.07 | elulu | CutMeOwnThroat: dont work |
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| 10:45.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | elulu, I figured... was testing it, as valdyn said, who BY THE WAY WAS WRONG |
| 10:45.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 10:45.59 | elulu | darn.. no control of my box :D |
| 10:46.01 | elulu | not good |
| 10:46.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | elulu, reboot and use the kernel option "init=/bin/bash" , then edit /etc/passwd |
| 10:46.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | how did you get /dev/null as roots shell anyway |
| 10:47.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | was this configured as a sudo-only system? |
| 10:47.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | is it perhaps even ubuntu? |
| 10:47.14 | elulu | no no |
| 10:47.22 | elulu | debian leny amd64 |
| 10:47.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, su -c /bin/bash drops me into a not-elevated shell... there's checks for a valid shell in places |
| 10:47.40 | elulu | no idea.. must have done something wrong.. been using it for like 2 years |
| 10:47.44 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: yea, i read |
| 10:47.47 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: i was wrong |
| 10:48.02 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: especially since his /dev/null likely isnt even in /etc/shells |
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| 10:48.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | elulu, anyway... I told you how to fix it... if this is grub, you can add kernel options by typing "e" on the grub prompt |
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| 10:50.03 | elulu | CutMeOwnThroat: k.. thnx.. not at home with the box atm.. so I'll try later |
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| 10:56.01 | szonek | hi |
| 10:56.12 | szonek | which netflow collector would you recommend? ;-) |
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| 11:11.57 | ttiicc | can't find syslog in debian, which logging package is used in debian? |
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| 11:13.00 | Shadur | syslogd or syslog-ng or metalog |
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| 11:13.37 | stew | ttiicc: or a few others, "aptitude search '~Psystem-log-daemon' |
| 11:14.07 | stew | judd: versions metalog |
| 11:14.08 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'metalog' was found in i386. |
| 11:14.29 | ttiicc | which one is the default one? |
| 11:14.37 | ttiicc | Hmm seems like it's rsyslog |
| 11:14.54 | mjmt | ttiicc: sysklogd usually. |
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| 11:15.48 | ttiicc | ok I don't remember downloading rsyslog so either I forgot or this is the defult for Lenny |
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| 11:19.09 | stew | ttiicc: yes, rsyslog |
| 11:19.37 | ttiicc | stew: thanks |
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| 11:23.43 | discordianfish | wtf do debian use a tiny perl script (include-conf-enabled.pl) in lighttpd.conf instead of a shell script? i really like perl, but as a subsitution for: for f in *; do echo "include '$f'"; done... |
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| 11:25.13 | jelly | nothing wrong with perl |
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| 11:25.29 | discordianfish | jelly: its overkill for that purpose |
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| 11:25.47 | mryanbrown | yeah |
| 11:26.03 | mryanbrown | lightweight perl script or heavy script hmm |
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| 11:26.25 | discordianfish | lightweigt perl script or lightweight shell script. |
| 11:26.39 | mryanbrown | uses more cpu |
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| 11:27.19 | discordianfish | mryanbrown: what uses more? |
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| 11:27.52 | mryanbrown | I would assume a bash script would use more resources than a perl script that reiterates a directory |
| 11:28.29 | discordianfish | no, i bet it wouldn't |
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| 11:28.44 | mryanbrown | do a comparison analysis and blog about it |
| 11:28.51 | jelly | a shell script with a number of forks for external commands can use more clock and cpu time than a perl equivalent, but I'm not sure this is such a case |
| 11:28.52 | mryanbrown | create an alternative and submit it |
| 11:29.34 | discordianfish | jelly: yes. but not in that case |
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| 11:29.41 | discordianfish | jelly: it only needs shell builtins |
| 11:29.45 | jelly | discordianfish: have you tested? |
| 11:30.09 | discordianfish | an a shell like ash is faster than perl - common sense |
| 11:30.17 | discordianfish | (in this case) |
| 11:30.32 | EduardeCalibal | Hello. I have a alternative to freeme2? |
| 11:31.12 | mryanbrown | is ash part of the standard system? |
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| 11:31.27 | mryanbrown | i wouldnt want ash as a dependancy for lighty |
| 11:31.31 | jelly | discordianfish: all the other scripts in that directory are perl as well |
| 11:32.08 | discordianfish | mryanbrown: yes it is - afaik |
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| 11:32.11 | jelly | discordianfish: maintainability trumps speed |
| 11:32.24 | ttiicc | In the reference-guide for debian they are talking about syslog and not rsyslog, which I also understands as the default package for logging in debian. Is it just something that hasn't been updated in the reference-guide or whats the reason behind this? |
| 11:32.37 | discordianfish | jelly: yes, yes, yes. thats why i would prefer so see much more perl code instead of huge unmaintainable bash scripts |
| 11:32.51 | jelly | discordianfish: indeed |
| 11:33.25 | discordianfish | jelly: but this code is very simple.. to be honest, i don't really care, i was just curious if anybody has an idea why someone chose to use perl for that simple thing |
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| 11:33.44 | mryanbrown | was probably habit |
| 11:34.02 | jelly | discordianfish: care to implement /usr/share/lighttpd/use-ipv6.pl in /bin/sh? :-) |
| 11:34.06 | discordianfish | (and btw, here is the "bench": bash is to fast to measure = all 0, perl tooks 0.014/0.008/0.008 time) |
| 11:34.11 | mryanbrown | lol jelly |
| 11:34.42 | jelly | or /usr/share/lighttpd/create-mime.assign.pl |
| 11:34.57 | discordianfish | jelly: i'm fine with those |
| 11:35.23 | jelly | discordianfish: well, why prefer 2 .pl and one .sh instead of all .pl |
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| 11:36.34 | discordianfish | why not? |
| 11:37.01 | jelly | maintainability |
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| 11:38.10 | discordianfish | okay, if you feel like that.. anyway, i think lighttpd should support globbing ;) |
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| 11:38.26 | aLgEBrA | hi |
| 11:38.59 | jelly | discordianfish: I don't feel it, just suggesting a possible line of thought in the maintainers' minds |
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| 11:41.50 | mryanbrown | anyone mess with vsftpd? i have anon account enabled + global/anon write. have dir /home/ftp/pub/incoming id like anon users to be able to create/write but not list -_- im not sure of which folder permissions/umask to use |
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| 11:42.59 | mjmt | mryanbrown: Make it not executable. |
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| 11:44.40 | crashanddie | Hi, is it possible to "browse" a repository? That is, viewing which packages it provides without necessarily adding it to the sources list? |
| 11:44.49 | Crissi | vbox |
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| 11:45.50 | abrotman | crashanddie: grab the Packages.bz2 |
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| 11:49.05 | Pum_Baa | hello :) |
| 11:49.14 | crashanddie | abrotman, having a hard time locating it... if dist is "foo", then it should be http://base-url/pool/foo/Packages.bz2 ? |
| 11:49.38 | abrotman | crashanddie: depends how the repo is setup .. maybe you should give me the actual URL |
| 11:49.47 | crashanddie | http://repository.phonesfera.com/apt/ |
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| 11:50.44 | crashanddie | components: traducidas pago propias; dist: fremantle |
| 11:50.58 | abrotman | crashanddie: uhm, what is on this Repo? doesn't look trustworthy at all |
| 11:51.26 | crashanddie | abrotman, exactly what I'm trying to figure out -- they're redistributing apps that install this repository |
| 11:51.42 | crashanddie | (for Maemo, a mobile distribution based on Debian) |
| 11:52.17 | Pum_Baa | I'm on a somewhat-messed-up machine right now, trying to fix up a clean lenny-install from an lenny-xfce-CD image on hdd and stuck behind a very restrictive firewall |
| 11:52.36 | abrotman | crashanddie: do you have the full apt line they want you to use? |
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| 11:53.07 | abrotman | crashanddie: also, you probably should be asking #maemo .. i don't even know if apt in maemo uses Packages.bz2 .. might be just Packages, or Packages.gz |
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| 11:53.28 | ttiicc | I had earlier a question about debian reference-guide, anyone with a clue in here? |
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| 11:53.33 | Pum_Baa | ...while getting the machine to boot from the ISO image, I probably messed the original system up a little more - and now I'm stuck with the installation process |
| 11:54.13 | abrotman | ttiicc: which was? |
| 11:54.14 | Pum_Baa | does anyone have an idea how I could trick the installer into accepting the mounted image as a mounted cd-rom drive? |
| 11:54.32 | crashanddie | abrotman, I'm an op in #maemo, yes, Maemo uses Packages.bz2 as far as I can tell (and remember) |
| 11:54.41 | ttiicc | why they are mentioning syslog in the reference guide when debian comes pre packed with rsyslog? |
| 11:54.44 | reavengrey | Hi, I would REALLY love to get off Ubuntu and use Debian, but my Debian really isn't picking up my wifi card |
| 11:54.48 | crashanddie | abrotman, considering that we can simply use apt-get if we don't want to use the GUI |
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| 11:55.13 | reavengrey | See, if I could get my wifi card to work, I'd have no further reaosn to bother you people |
| 11:55.21 | reavengrey | Since I'm generally an RTFM person |
| 11:55.31 | reavengrey | And I do stuff myself, but I'm frustrated |
| 11:55.46 | mryanbrown | i hate manuals that dont follow the option, explaination, example layout |
| 11:55.54 | reavengrey | Since I have no idea how to compile drivers and I need to compile this driver for my wifi card |
| 11:55.56 | reavengrey | Gimme a sec |
| 11:56.04 | crashanddie | abrotman, oh, my bad, it's Packagez.gz |
| 11:56.07 | mryanbrown | to say, i hate when the explaination is a generic breakdown of the option and not an explaination |
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| 11:57.17 | abrotman | crashanddie: have a nice day |
| 11:57.27 | crashanddie | cheers, you too |
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| 11:59.04 | reavengrey | http://pastebin.com/zsC7yAS0 |
| 11:59.28 | reavengrey | Lin 20 is the relevant PCI card |
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| 12:00.40 | themill | ,pciid 8086:0084 |
| 12:00.41 | judd | [8086:0084] is 'Centrino Wireless-N 1000' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'iwlagn' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0084 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
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| 12:00.45 | reavengrey | How would I go about getting a driver for that? |
| 12:00.55 | themill | !iwlagn |
| 12:00.55 | dpkg | iwlagn is the driver for the Intel Wireless WiFi Link (4965AGN, 5100AGN, 5300AGN, 5350AGN, 5150AGN, 1000BGN, 6200AGN, 6300AGN, 6250AGN) series of devices. Included in mainline Linux kernels since 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bdo kernel> to install a later kernel containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <iwlagn firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
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| 12:01.18 | reavengrey | Thanks |
| 12:01.28 | themill | reavengrey: your currently running 2.6.26 from lenny, I presume -- you need to get 2.6.32 from backports; /msg dpkg bdo |
| 12:01.50 | reavengrey | Sorry, I work better when I know what I'm doing: |
| 12:01.54 | reavengrey | What is backports? |
| 12:02.11 | themill | dpkg: tell reavengrey about backports |
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| 12:02.15 | mryanbrown | backports is your friend |
| 12:02.55 | ElDeablo | bom dia |
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| 12:03.32 | themill | *sob* |
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| 12:14.29 | jelly | ,versions libauthen-ntlm-perl |
| 12:14.30 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libauthen-ntlm-perl' was found in i386. |
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| 12:25.34 | scifiguy | my root parition is filling up, how do i go about deleting old unused kernels? |
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| 12:27.11 | dimir | scifiguy: dpkg -l '*linux-image*' | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}' |
| 12:27.17 | dimir | scifiguy: and remove unneeded packages |
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| 12:27.30 | dimir | scifiguy: don't forget to also remove headers, if installed. |
| 12:27.58 | dimir | scifiguy: so you can actually do: dpkg -l '*linux-image*' '*linux-headers*' | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}' |
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| 12:32.03 | Bushmills | dimir, awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' makes the grep unnecessary |
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| 12:34.43 | zoobab | hi |
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| 12:35.12 | zoobab | do you know how to force apt-get not to show you blue screens to configure a package? |
| 12:37.26 | abrotman | there are a few ways |
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| 12:40.02 | zoobab | @abrotman which are? |
| 12:40.11 | abrotman | zoobab: which distro are you using? |
| 12:40.36 | zoobab | squeeze |
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| 12:41.06 | dimir | Bushmills: right, thanks. |
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| 12:43.35 | Pumba | hello :) |
| 12:43.55 | Pumba | I got on a little with fixing up this machine :) |
| 12:44.16 | EduardeCalibal | I have a problem with the flashplugin. I try open a page and the flash dont is loaded. http://jogos.uol.com.br/jogosonline/gravity-hook-hd.jhtm |
| 12:44.22 | chicom9 | hello... |
| 12:44.37 | EduardeCalibal | Ideas? |
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| 12:45.28 | Pumba | by now I installed from a USB pendrive to /dev/sda5; though I did not dare to let the installer install a new GRUB yet; now I think I've just got to manage to configure GRUB to access the new installation |
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| 12:46.33 | Pumba | (why I did not let the installer change GRUB? It was an awful lot of work sorting out grub2, I don't feel like having this spoiled by an installer that knows what it's doing...) |
| 12:47.29 | Pumba | I managed to access the new kernel, though it panic'ed during boot as it could not access a filesystem |
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| 12:52.26 | chicom9 | so i came back to report my findings as to why a regular user cannot change its password. |
| 12:52.46 | chicom9 | By running passwd as user joe I will get passwd: Authentication token lock busy. So after working with strace I found a glitch that said:("/etc/.pwd.lock", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_CLOEXEC, 0600) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) Â… Ok so fine I went to the .pwd.lock file and chmod 777 Â… dunno if thats secure at all... anyhow so now I also checked my permissions on /etc/shadow and /usr/bin/passwd |
| 12:52.46 | chicom9 | and /sbin/unix_chkpwd. Apparently the shadow file and unix_chkpwd were set to be root:utmp... no idea why so I change them back to be defualt one which is root:shadow. Thats what my other systems show. However, now when I run a passwd as user joe … I get “User not known to the underlying authentication module” |
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| 12:54.05 | chicom9 | strace shows that it cannot access the shadow file...permission denied... |
| 12:54.22 | abrotman | zoobab: there is no need to msg me .. did you consider I might be busy at work? |
| 12:54.29 | abrotman | zoobab: dpkg -l debconf .. which version is it? |
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| 12:55.48 | bolt-work | abrotman: you need a -work tag :) |
| 12:55.55 | abrotman | or patience? |
| 12:56.04 | bolt-work | nah. can't have that. |
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| 12:57.59 | abrotman | and then he doesn't answer me anyway |
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| 12:59.52 | zoobab | @abrotman 1.5.35 |
| 13:00.09 | abrotman | !@ |
| 13:00.09 | dpkg | @ is used to separate the username from the hostname in an email address, to denote channel operators on IRC, and to direct comments to particular users in some web forums. It is NOT used to direct comments on IRC; use "name: ..." instead of "@name ...". |
| 13:00.15 | EduardeCalibal | How I know the list of possibilities of the command update-alternatives? I tried change from gdm3 to gdm but don't know the correct name. |
| 13:00.36 | zoobab | abrotman: 1.5.35 |
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| 13:01.16 | abrotman | zoobab: you can `dpkg-reconfigure debconf` and change the priority, or you can use debconf-set-selections to 'preseed' the answers |
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| 13:12.29 | iluminator101 | what the latest kernel used in debian squeeze, is the new kernel added into trunk or is it 2.6.32-5 |
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| 13:13.13 | rudi_s | ,kernels |
| 13:13.16 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.36-rc5-686 (2.6.36~rc5-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-24); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-23); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-23~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 13:13.26 | rudi_s | iluminator101: ^ |
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| 13:14.16 | iluminator101 | ah thanks that helps me out a lot |
| 13:14.20 | abrotman | iluminator101: you should uninstall that -trunk- kernel if you have it installed |
| 13:14.21 | bruteforce_allti | hi , I want to download all *ps file from here. http://www.cs.duke.edu/courses/fall01/cps230/Notes/ |
| 13:14.29 | abrotman | wget |
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| 13:14.36 | bruteforce_allti | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.40 | rudi_s | np |
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| 13:17.27 | sec_goat | I am looking at writing a start up script to start a program in a Screen session so it is always running and so I can connect to it from anywhere. does the script have to be a certain file type, like windows batch files? Secondly how would I write the screen commands in the script such as the CTRL-A d? |
| 13:18.23 | sphenxes01 | i have updated my squeeze today and can't read a lot of my home pages (no images, sometimes even no text) using iceweasel. Has anyone such an experience |
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| 13:21.20 | reavengrey | Hi, I'd like to sensibly just voice my opinion. I know someone is going to call "troll", so I'll get it over with as fast as I can. |
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| 13:22.41 | reavengrey | It's not like I know nothing about computers. |
| 13:22.42 | reavengrey | By no means am I some Linux "expert", or anything, but I do know the basics: I can compile new programs, and I even build cross compilers for my programming job: I do hobbyist kernel development. |
| 13:22.44 | reavengrey | But why is Linux to completely unfriendly? |
| 13:22.47 | reavengrey | Please just let me finish, and understand my pain a bit, I would LOVE to get this working, but I just fail every time. |
| 13:23.08 | reavengrey | I just tried Debian again, and I went through the graphical installer. |
| 13:24.52 | ttiicc | If I as root writes su mysql |
| 13:25.04 | chicom9 | has anybody experience an passwd: User not known to the underlying authentication module |
| 13:25.05 | ttiicc | would I then become that user? |
| 13:25.08 | reavengrey | So, I decide, "Okay, I happen to have some source tars on a partition, sda5." |
| 13:25.08 | reavengrey | I mount it, and decide to compile some of my favourite programs. |
| 13:25.09 | reavengrey | No compiler. |
| 13:25.09 | reavengrey | No native compiler. Now, how do I compile my programs with no compiler? |
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| 13:25.37 | mryanbrown | mysql -u root -p |
| 13:25.39 | ttiicc | sorry for writing the question with two lines |
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| 13:26.29 | mryanbrown | su username would make you that user, if the user exists |
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| 13:27.04 | sec_goat | on the topic of su, how can I add my username to the su list instead of just using straight SU to turn root? |
| 13:27.07 | ttiicc | I type su openldap and then when I try whoami it prints root, how come? |
| 13:28.52 | ttiicc | I should also mention that Im using ssh in to the machine |
| 13:29.05 | mryanbrown | i dont think openldap has a shell assigned if its a user |
| 13:29.13 | claint | what mryanbrown said |
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| 13:29.44 | claint | ttiicc: so you are immediately exiting back to your own shell, and you are probably root to start with |
| 13:29.56 | ttiicc | yes true |
| 13:30.29 | ttiicc | what does it mean has no shell addigned for a user? have never heard of such thing |
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| 13:30.58 | ttiicc | where could I configure so he could have a shell assigned? |
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| 13:31.56 | claint | those users are for giving specific permissions to programs. |
| 13:32.08 | zoobab | abrotman: dpkg-reconfigure debconf needs the dialog box :-) |
| 13:32.18 | abrotman | you can change that |
| 13:32.19 | claint | ttiicc: you probably shouldn't give them a shell environment. what are trying to accomplish? |
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| 13:33.16 | ttiicc | I installed openldap from aptitude, then I got the slapd server running and a user openldap and a group openldap |
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| 13:35.14 | ttiicc | then I shh in to the server as root and adds an ldif file the backend database files created from that command are owned by root so my ldap server cant read them since ldap is started with the openldap user |
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| 13:36.07 | ttiicc | do you understand the situation? |
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| 13:36.38 | zoobab | abrotman: I try: dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive -p high debconf |
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| 13:36.54 | abrotman | -plow you mean ? |
| 13:37.32 | abrotman | if you say -p high .. i don't think it will ask you reset the priority |
| 13:37.38 | d0wNsYs | hi is there a chan for debian lenny and kde 4 help? |
| 13:38.58 | ttiicc | nobody answered my question so here comes another one which password was given to the openldap user? |
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| 13:41.56 | claint | ttiicc: i don't have openldap installed but, most likely thing is... since it doesn't have a shell, it doesn't have a password, because that user cannot login. |
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| 13:42.35 | abrotman | d0wNsYs: why not ask here? |
| 13:42.35 | claint | ttiicc: it is not a login account. |
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| 13:44.09 | ttiicc | okej how could I run a command as that user? |
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| 13:45.00 | claint | if you want openldap user to have access to some files, see the chmod command. |
| 13:45.37 | ttiicc | because if I run a command as root which adds records into the backend then those added files would belong to root and the slapd server woul'd be able to read them since it runs as openldap user |
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| 13:46.00 | ttiicc | Im doing chown right now but don't belive it's the optimal way |
| 13:46.10 | claint | ttiicc: see the sudo command as well. |
| 13:46.40 | ttiicc | okej |
| 13:46.40 | helo | woul'd == woul do |
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| 13:47.35 | ttiicc | okej I guess I just have to chown when I run a command as root |
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| 13:52.26 | Death4Life | could it be that the installer doesn't send a watchdog "i'm alive" while partitioning? |
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| 13:54.48 | dgsgsgsdg | how to install adobe flash player on my aceweasel |
| 13:54.54 | dgsgsgsdg | how to install adobe flash player on my iceweasel |
| 13:54.58 | dgsgsgsdg | ? |
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| 13:57.49 | paradigm | dgsgsgsdg: are you on x86 or x64? |
| 13:58.06 | dgsgsgsdg | x86 |
| 13:58.48 | paradigm | dgsgsgsdg: are you familiar with debian-backports? |
| 13:58.55 | paradigm | or altering your sources.list? |
| 13:58.58 | dgsgsgsdg | no |
| 13:59.00 | oye | !tell dgsgsgsdg -about flash |
| 13:59.04 | dgsgsgsdg | i`m a new user |
| 13:59.07 | oye | it it still works. |
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| 13:59.40 | paradigm | dgsgsgsdg: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
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| 13:59.47 | paradigm | do that and get debian backports |
| 13:59.48 | oye | dgsgsgsdg: follow dpkg's instructions. |
| 13:59.55 | paradigm | or dpkg's instructions |
| 14:00.20 | oye | I'm off, laters. |
| 14:00.20 | dgsgsgsdg | ok i ill try |
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| 14:00.51 | dgsgsgsdg | i install gnash |
| 14:01.00 | dgsgsgsdg | but then what? |
| 14:01.05 | paradigm | no, don't use gnash |
| 14:01.09 | paradigm | it's not quite up to par yet |
| 14:01.15 | paradigm | once you get debian-backports, install flashplayer-nonfree |
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| 14:02.47 | dgsgsgsdg | how to get them? |
| 14:03.07 | paradigm | dgsgsgsdg: did you follow the debian-backports link I gave you and set up debian-backports? |
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| 14:03.39 | paradigm | arg I gotta head out |
| 14:03.47 | dgsgsgsdg | what link? |
| 14:03.53 | dgsgsgsdg | send it again |
| 14:03.55 | paradigm | dgsgsgsdg: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 14:04.04 | paradigm | follow those instructions to get it |
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| 14:04.23 | paradigm | then do a "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" |
| 14:04.28 | paradigm | as root |
| 14:04.29 | paradigm | good luck |
| 14:04.31 | paradigm | I'm out |
| 14:04.48 | abrotman | aptitude? |
| 14:06.03 | comradekingu | I got gnash to work when flash was non-64bit, look foreward to the next time adobe does that to check progress on gnash |
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| 14:12.32 | mryanbrown | here's a puzzler, how can you serve websites by domain only. ie www.domain.com pointed to ip1 would work, but trying to access the page directly by ip1 wouldn't |
| 14:13.16 | sec_goat | I have found certain browsers won't serve a web page by Ip unless you specifically specify http:// first |
| 14:13.18 | sec_goat | ? |
| 14:13.44 | joltcan | mryanbrown: Set the default webroot to whatever, that will catch the IP use-case |
| 14:13.57 | joltcan | mryanbrown: and set virtual hosts for the specific domains |
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| 14:16.21 | mryanbrown | idk. I've tried accessing websites for instance on vps providers. where http://ip returns nothing. but http://domain does. was just curious how it was done |
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| 14:17.20 | blip2 | mryanbrown: it'll be how the webserver handles the request |
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| 14:17.58 | blip2 | for instance I use NameVirtualHosts |
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| 14:18.50 | blip2 | any requests on port 80 that don't match any of the definitions go to my main site |
| 14:19.12 | blip2 | if the server doesn't have a 'default' defined it won't display anything for that request |
| 14:20.43 | mryanbrown | ok |
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| 14:21.24 | blip2 | so in answer to your question, you it's possible you just need to configure your webserver appropriatly |
| 14:21.26 | mryanbrown | so using lighty, i could point the ip doc root to nothing, give an error, and create a simple error handler script to return the right type of error |
| 14:21.28 | blip2 | yes* |
| 14:21.40 | blip2 | mryanbrown: sure |
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| 14:24.41 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | There are rumors regarding a new branch called "Constantly Usable Testing" branch from Debian CUT... Is this true? |
| 14:25.40 | stew | sh4d3sl4y3r_: there are disucssions about it, notably the BoF at debconf10 (of which there is a video probably worth watching). nothing concrete is actually happening in this regard yet |
| 14:26.08 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | stew: ok |
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| 14:31.49 | suhtki | hi all, |
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| 14:32.31 | jil | hi |
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| 14:33.12 | no_maam_ | hi, got a little problem, I got two debian boxes |
| 14:33.30 | no_maam_ | a very slow i386 box and a amd64 box which is very fast |
| 14:33.42 | no_maam_ | I would like to compile my kernel for the 32 bit box on the amd64 box |
| 14:33.57 | no_maam_ | what is the best way of doing this? |
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| 14:34.12 | Burns | Hello |
| 14:34.19 | Burns | How to test my upload speed in my server |
| 14:34.22 | jil | I'm looking for a debian tool to mount a "broken" sata disk. I get an I/O error on sector 0 and block 0. fdisk isn't working .. What Can I do? |
| 14:34.22 | no_maam_ | this is not really cross compiling on debian, right, the gcc on amd64 with multilib installed can create 32 bit binarys too? |
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| 14:34.40 | suhtki | i found a 7 year old server (here http://servers.alege.net/IBM-eserver-xSeries-205-8480-84805AX.html) and i want to use it as server for a dynamic website for an association (450 members) and some other stuff |
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| 14:35.12 | suhtki | i've installed debian lenny, which paquet do i need |
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| 14:35.19 | suhtki | (sorry for my bad english) |
| 14:35.31 | blip2 | paquet? |
| 14:35.40 | blip2 | also: you'll probably want more ram |
| 14:35.57 | suhtki | i know it's very little, |
| 14:36.06 | suhtki | for paquet i mean software |
| 14:36.16 | suhtki | i've got apache2 |
| 14:36.40 | blip2 | good? |
| 14:36.51 | suhtki | but we need php et sql and a CMS |
| 14:36.53 | AVGP | if you're going to run "dynamic websites" on it, you most likely will need php, right? |
| 14:36.56 | AVGP | ah yeah |
| 14:37.02 | suhtki | yeah AVGP :) |
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| 14:37.37 | blip2 | libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 14:38.39 | AVGP | and for sql, choose one of the various database servers |
| 14:38.48 | AVGP | mysql, sqlite, postgres... |
| 14:38.51 | jil | maybe there a tool able to analyse a "borken" disk and create a new partition table? Am i dreaming of getting back my data? sfdisk not working... |
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| 14:39.12 | suhtki | i'll install those |
| 14:39.28 | suhtki | and which cms should I install ? |
| 14:39.39 | suhtki | i only know by name drupal & jumla! |
| 14:39.44 | AVGP | at the dbms-side i'd recommend you - as a starter - mysql |
| 14:40.05 | AVGP | also fetch phpmyadmin, if you like. Makes administration alot easier for beginners |
| 14:40.23 | AVGP | I heard, joomla is a good starter-cms |
| 14:40.31 | AVGP | I dunno, never used one of these |
| 14:40.47 | suhtki | Ok i'll install all of this, |
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| 14:41.23 | suhtki | but i ask you, this server was a little configured for my own home network, need I to make a new install for a new location ? |
| 14:42.08 | AVGP | not really. |
| 14:42.37 | jil | I'm using Drupal it's difficult to start with but then after a lot of reading you can do a lotte without writting php or javascript or even html. |
| 14:42.51 | suhtki | ok good, i hope there is some member to help me in the assoc |
| 14:43.03 | suhtki | jil, i may install both ? |
| 14:43.08 | AVGP | You should be careful when exposing a machine to the internet. |
| 14:43.20 | jil | and you always have the opportunity of enhancing your website if you wich to code. Plus it has the biggest community. just go on #drupal to ask |
| 14:43.45 | arvind_khadri | hi, when I do <<sudo farpd -i wlan0 net anyip>> i get an error message stating that farpd: bad pcap filter: syntax error, what should i do?? |
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| 14:46.09 | suhtki | AVGP, i'll try to be carefull, but i have no notion about network :) |
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| 14:50.38 | suhtki | well i've installed libapache2-mod-php5, mysql, both joomla! and drupal, and phpmyadmin |
| 14:51.22 | suhtki | i think we can do something with this |
| 14:51.51 | suhtki | i've installed postfix too, it can be use for 450 account ? |
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| 15:00.42 | dec3pti0n | anyone know a mirror or something where I can still pull stuff from etch-backports ? |
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| 15:14.32 | abrotman | dec3pti0n: you sohuldn't be using etch |
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| 15:19.16 | joe_ed | What's the difference between ubuntu and debian? I'm new at this. |
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| 15:20.09 | stew | joe_ed: debian is a distro that aims to be 100% free software. ubuntu takes snapshots of debian and tries to make it more userfriendly (and in the process makes it no longer 100% free) |
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| 15:21.15 | joe_ed | so if I load ubuntu i'm going to get a bill |
| 15:21.20 | joe_ed | hmmm |
| 15:21.28 | stew | joe_ed: no, you're not |
| 15:21.53 | joe_ed | do you use bash? |
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| 15:22.20 | stew | joe_ed: we mean free as in freedom, not as in price |
| 15:22.28 | joe_ed | I've been using ksh for a long time at work. trying to get familiar with bash |
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| 15:22.52 | stew | though in some cases software you get from ubuntu might actually cost money, i don't know |
| 15:23.07 | stew | there are things that debian distributes in its non-free repositories that cost money to use |
| 15:23.14 | WormFood | it appears a sector under one of my inodes is corrupt....I know I can run badblocks on it, but what tools can help remap this inode to a good part of my hard drive? (obviously, I need to replace the drive, but I need to get some data off the drive first)...for reference I'm running Squeeze (in case there are any tools there, not in stable) |
| 15:23.52 | WormFood | if something is in the repository that costs money to use, then how can they have any hope of collecting? |
| 15:24.10 | peterrooney | WormFood: isn't that the job of the HD controller? |
| 15:24.28 | WormFood | peterrooney, only to a point |
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| 15:25.08 | WormFood | peterrooney, and what do I do when fsck tells me it can't read an inode because it returns a bad sector? how is the HD remapping that? it isn't...so now it becomes my problem |
| 15:26.11 | WormFood | I'm not sure if drives can do remapping on the fly (after their initial factory low level format), but I know that any bad sectors are mapped out when they do a low level format at the factory |
| 15:26.12 | pickcoder | saw a 404 from an ftp.debian.org mirror just now. IP 130.89.149.226.80 lenny/updates/main Packages |
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| 15:26.36 | WormFood | pickcoder, contact the administrator of that mirror? |
| 15:26.53 | pickcoder | no time to do research right now |
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| 15:28.14 | WormFood | anyone know what tools (if any) are included with Squeeze to help my issue? |
| 15:28.15 | pallgone | joe_ed: there isn't too much difference actually, ubuntu tries to release a new version every 6 months, debian's focus is more on stability and it also doesn't use a custom ad sponsered browser homepage and things like that... |
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| 15:29.03 | WormFood | I thought another focus of Ubuntu is to be more up-to-date |
| 15:30.39 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.14 | WormFood | indeed, but few software companies seem to be aware of that fact. |
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| 15:35.25 | WormFood | I was in a questionable channel once, and someone said someone else was sharing a program made by their company, and they were asked if they wanted that program removed, and they said no, because it brings them business. |
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| 15:51.46 | Burns | Hello I tried to split a file and it gave me, filename.aa .ac ...etc |
| 15:51.56 | Burns | How to join this file in windows tho? |
| 15:52.20 | WormFood | copy filename.aa+filename.ab.... filename <-- if I remember correctly |
| 15:52.47 | Burns | I should type that in windows command line? |
| 15:52.53 | WormFood | yes |
| 15:53.02 | WormFood | double check the syntax, but that is what I remember |
| 15:53.04 | petemc | theres also 'type' , works like cat |
| 15:53.07 | Burns | Is there a better way? |
| 15:53.20 | dumb1 | SlayerXP thx re: unetbootin |
| 15:53.29 | WormFood | yeah, there is a better way...don't split the file :P |
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| 15:53.39 | Burns | Ever heard of Xtremsplit? |
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| 15:54.22 | WormFood | nope...for winblows? |
| 15:54.42 | b0nghitter | anyone use debian + cacti on a Gbit interface? and have it working properly |
| 15:55.06 | Burns | There is a version for both OS, but I do not know how to use the command line of the unix version |
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| 16:00.32 | flo` | hi |
| 16:00.41 | flo` | i'm using debian lenny and the readahead package. |
| 16:01.14 | flo` | however, i have the impression that readahead-list only preloads some (few) files, and the rest of the boot my HD is seeking all the time |
| 16:01.19 | flo` | what's the problem here? |
| 16:02.19 | nsadmin | why is your HD seeking at boot? |
| 16:02.37 | flo` | well... maybe because it's reading files? |
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| 16:03.21 | flo` | isn't the goal of readahead to read these files ahead to have not to seek when doing the actual boot? |
| 16:03.42 | nsadmin | not "maybe", that's not useful |
| 16:04.00 | flo` | well. "obviously it is reading files" |
| 16:04.11 | flo` | i mean, what should it do otherwise? |
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| 16:04.45 | nsadmin | is it new behavior? |
| 16:05.25 | flo` | i never used readahead before, so i don't know |
| 16:05.42 | nsadmin | so, perhaps it's normal? |
| 16:05.44 | flo` | however, that can't be the goal of readahead, to improve boot time by two seconds |
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| 16:06.23 | flo` | hrm... |
| 16:06.27 | flo` | something else: |
| 16:06.51 | flo` | is there a way to make the hardware at boot static, and to load udev AFTER everything is booted? |
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| 16:07.22 | flo` | so that booting goes pretty fast, and if i need to plug-and-play an usb stick, i have to wait some seconds after getting to X? |
| 16:07.35 | nsadmin | device names are used at boot |
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| 16:08.55 | nsadmin | if I were to read between the lines, I'd say you reboot pretty often |
| 16:09.07 | nsadmin | and I'd be curious as to why |
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| 16:09.35 | andrewnemeth | hey gus |
| 16:09.43 | andrewnemeth | anybody played with pxe and kickstart? |
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| 16:10.23 | Burns | can we split files using zip/rar ?? |
| 16:10.50 | andrewnemeth | yes |
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| 16:11.11 | Burns | any idea how in command line |
| 16:11.19 | nsadmin | if the overall problem you perceive is you start your computer and it takes too long, my question would be around having the machine on amd bppted by the time you got to it |
| 16:11.29 | nsadmin | Burns: there's not a man page? |
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| 16:12.01 | Burns | ... |
| 16:12.22 | stew | Burns: for zips there is zipsplit |
| 16:12.37 | nsadmin | to be translated as "just give me the answer; I can't read" |
| 16:13.09 | Burns | thanks |
| 16:13.21 | Burns | exactly |
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| 16:14.05 | andrewnemeth | nobody played with pxe?:( |
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| 16:14.10 | jhutchins_lt | pkzip has an option to specify a maximum file size and split the output accordingly. |
| 16:14.15 | jelly-hme | reads man pages for $5 a minute |
| 16:14.35 | jhutchins_lt | andrewnemeth: I'm sure there are a number of people who have worked with pxe. Did you have a question about it? |
| 16:14.50 | andrewnemeth | I do have |
| 16:15.08 | andrewnemeth | well its kinda Im running centos now |
| 16:15.15 | andrewnemeth | but want to reinstall with debian |
| 16:15.29 | andrewnemeth | and I want it through network |
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| 16:16.19 | jhutchins_lt | andrewnemeth: A pxe installation invironment is a lot of work for a single installation, especially when you're going cross-platform like that. |
| 16:17.19 | andrewnemeth | well its not exactly pxe |
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| 16:18.23 | nsadmin | andrewnemeth: what's not exactly pxe? |
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| 16:18.48 | andrewnemeth | for centos reinstallation I download vmlinuz and initrd.img to the client machine and specify http://pastebin.com/DvTKa6mf in grub.conf |
| 16:19.23 | andrewnemeth | my question is if I want to install debian what url should I put after method= row |
| 16:19.40 | andrewnemeth | I couldnt understand to which folder should it point to |
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| 16:20.14 | Burns | wow rar is pretty slow |
| 16:20.23 | stew | Burns: it also costs money |
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| 16:21.33 | Burns | :/ |
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| 16:22.54 | nsadmin | andrewnemeth: ok, so I'm not sure debian has an install method that works that way |
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| 16:24.51 | nsadmin | andrewnemeth: can you boot a cd? |
| 16:25.14 | SPF | how do I unset S? drw-rwSrw- |
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| 16:25.25 | andrewnemeth | well |
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| 16:25.44 | andrewnemeth | basically this method just fetch the files from a remote location |
| 16:25.48 | andrewnemeth | and not from a cd |
| 16:25.51 | nsadmin | SPF: chmod does that |
| 16:26.01 | nsadmin | understood. |
| 16:26.30 | SPF | nsadmin: how? chmod -S doesnt work |
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| 16:26.52 | Crissi | hello i still have problems with python module from freeradius package... it seems that 2.0.4 is wrong built |
| 16:26.56 | Crissi | at lenny |
| 16:26.59 | nsadmin | where is the S? owner? group? others? |
| 16:27.38 | SPF | group |
| 16:27.44 | Crissi | the socket module for example causes an error at loading the python module: <type 'exceptions.ImportError'>: /usr/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/_socket.so: undefined symbol: PyExc_ValueError |
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| 16:28.57 | nsadmin | so you want to tell chmod something like, turn off s in group |
| 16:29.11 | b0nghitter | i followed the debian + cacti wiki, it works other than i get holes in my bw counts on a gbit interface.. http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/6315/cacti10052010.gif |
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| 16:30.22 | stew | SPF: chmod g-s foo |
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| 16:30.26 | Bushmills | b0nghitter, interface with a lot of traffic? |
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| 16:30.58 | b0nghitter | yes |
| 16:31.02 | salieri | is ther eany reason to use grub over lilo |
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| 16:31.28 | Bushmills | probably overflow of a 32 bit traffic counter during the 5 minutes sampling interval |
| 16:31.33 | nsadmin | salieri: is lilo working for you? |
| 16:31.56 | b0nghitter | i am using the 64bit in/out counter, and the normal "toral bandwidth" counter |
| 16:32.02 | salieri | the debian installer in lenny isn't doing the automatically installing grub thing |
| 16:32.07 | salieri | but doing lilo instead |
| 16:32.10 | salieri | wonder why it's doing that |
| 16:32.16 | b0nghitter | *Total |
| 16:32.22 | salieri | all i did was partition up the disk for multibooting bsd and linux |
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| 16:33.48 | b0nghitter | salieri: do you use deboostrap for that? |
| 16:34.11 | CodeNinja | has anyone seen this before? http://docs.chriswalker.devnetonline.net/debian-bug-report-2.6.32-bpo.5-openvz-686-__10-04-2010.txt I'm experiencing this, I filed a bug report, havent heard anything back :\ |
| 16:34.15 | salieri | i have no idea what that is? nah i used disklabel and then the regular linux partitioner |
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| 16:35.06 | salieri | by "regular linux partitioner" i mean the lenny install media |
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| 16:35.19 | salieri | (after installing bsd with disklabel into a 5 gig partition) |
| 16:35.21 | b0nghitter | i wask asking about dual boot and was told to use debootstrap |
| 16:35.24 | nsadmin | does it work? |
| 16:35.29 | salieri | i have never heard of it |
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| 16:35.37 | salieri | normally when i multiboot i just install windows |
| 16:35.46 | salieri | and then install linux and grub figures it out automatically |
| 16:35.49 | jelly-hme | CodeNinja: the link is a 404 for me |
| 16:35.53 | CodeNinja | orly? |
| 16:35.54 | CodeNinja | .. |
| 16:35.55 | CodeNinja | hm |
| 16:35.55 | salieri | in the "lookig for other operating systems" step |
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| 16:36.05 | CodeNinja | jelly-hme: weird, it comes up for me.. |
| 16:36.15 | CodeNinja | hold |
| 16:36.37 | nsadmin | salieri: does lilo work? |
| 16:36.44 | CodeNinja | jelly-hme: http://pastie.org/1201047 |
| 16:36.45 | salieri | trying it now... |
| 16:36.48 | jelly-hme | CodeNinja: host resolves to 70.56.32.4? |
| 16:36.52 | CodeNinja | yes |
| 16:37.07 | nsadmin | wait, so you haven't tried booting? |
| 16:37.46 | salieri | nah i'm just wondering why grub install didn't pop up |
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| 16:38.06 | jelly-hme | CodeNinja: whoa, old hardware :-) 3c905C-TX used to be nice in 2000 |
| 16:38.19 | jelly-hme | CodeNinja: is there heavy traffic over it? |
| 16:38.21 | salieri | ah 3com |
| 16:38.22 | CodeNinja | jelly-hme: haha |
| 16:38.27 | salieri | better 'n' dec tulip |
| 16:38.29 | CodeNinja | jelly-hme: no, not really |
| 16:38.46 | CodeNinja | it happens randomly, I've had it do it after 2kb of traffic, and even 10mb of traffic |
| 16:38.47 | salieri | used to <3 them 3c90x drivers cuz the ee100 one was wonk |
| 16:39.08 | jelly-hme | CodeNinja: might be suffering from code rot |
| 16:39.14 | jhutchins_lt | salieri: Lilo should work fine, it handles certain filesystems better than grub0 and is more mature than grub2. |
| 16:39.24 | CodeNinja | jelly-hme: ? |
| 16:39.45 | salieri | cool thanks |
| 16:39.46 | jelly-hme | CodeNinja: the driver. |
| 16:40.01 | salieri | still am puzzled as to why lenny install doesn't want to instasll grub tho |
| 16:40.12 | salieri | i have 4 5 gig partitions |
| 16:40.16 | stew | salieri: is /boot on raid? |
| 16:40.20 | stew | salieri: or lfm? |
| 16:40.21 | stew | lvm* |
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| 16:40.26 | salieri | stew you're a genius. |
| 16:40.27 | salieri | yes |
| 16:40.29 | salieri | is that it? |
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| 16:40.39 | stew | i believe it might be |
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| 16:40.40 | salieri | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:40.46 | jelly-hme | CodeNinja: there is some IRQ sharing there. Can you place the card into a different PCI slot? |
| 16:40.53 | salieri | stew: thanks. didn't know grub had that deficiency. awesome. |
| 16:41.09 | salieri | now i know (and knowing is 1/2 the battle!) |
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| 16:41.30 | nsadmin | it actually can work, but then you need rescue media that can boot from an all-lvm system |
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| 16:41.50 | CodeNinja | jelly-hme: hm, but why would it do it on an older kernel too? |
| 16:42.01 | CodeNinja | also |
| 16:42.02 | stew | salieri: i don't belive that grub knows how to mount the lvm in order to read its config file. lilo doesn't need to read a config file |
| 16:42.04 | jhutchins_lt | CodeNinja: Can't reach your server from here either. |
| 16:42.07 | CodeNinja | figures, while we are talking about it, it drops |
| 16:42.14 | CodeNinja | jhutchins_lt: yeah, that error just happened again .-. |
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| 16:42.32 | CodeNinja | give it about 2 minutes for a reboot :\ |
| 16:42.38 | jelly-hme | CodeNinja: does it happen with the debian 5.0 2.6.26 kernel as well? |
| 16:43.22 | CodeNinja | jelly-hme: I was in the process of getting the other kernel version when it dropped, hang on a sec and I will tell you what the other kernel was |
| 16:43.28 | jelly-hme | CodeNinja: are you using the onboard r8169 as well? |
| 16:44.00 | nsadmin | salieri: so if you have a /boot that's outside lvm then the installer might pick grub |
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| 16:44.15 | CodeNinja | jelly-hme: I was originally using the r8169, I thought it might have been a dying network port, so I put it to the 3com nic to see if that'd resolve the issue |
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| 16:44.28 | nsadmin | I think grub2 has an lvm module |
| 16:45.08 | CodeNinja | jelly-hme: last kernel I was using was 2.6.26-25, I had the same issue there |
| 16:45.25 | salieri | yeh grub 2 seems like win but sadly not in lenny install media |
| 16:45.39 | salieri | can't wait for squeeze to become stable :-( |
| 16:46.07 | CodeNinja | jhutchins_lt: that link should be back up now |
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| 16:52.05 | mmestnik | Hello, is there an alternative to webmin/usermin? I've noticed it's not in the current repository. |
| 16:52.53 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
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| 16:53.05 | CodeNinja | mmestnik: learn how to write proper configs? :P |
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| 16:57.09 | jhutchins_lt | !webmin |
| 16:57.09 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://bugs.debian.org/343897 about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 16:57.48 | jhutchins_lt | mmestnik: The proper alternative is to learn console administration. It takes less time and effort than it does to clean up the system after webmin breaks. |
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| 16:57.58 | mmestnik | free whcp |
| 16:58.03 | jhutchins_lt | mmestnik: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
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| 17:00.17 | jhutchins_lt | mmestnik: To see factoids from bot references, /msg dpkg <factoid> |
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| 17:01.18 | jhutchins_lt | CodeNinja: In my experience, a 3c509 is going to be old enough and unreliable enough that it won't be a good comparison. |
| 17:01.38 | CodeNinja | jhutchins_lt: how so? |
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| 17:02.00 | jhutchins_lt | They weren't all that reliable when they were new. |
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| 17:02.25 | CodeNinja | jhutchins_lt: ok, but that doesnt really explain why it was happening with two different nics :P |
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| 17:03.19 | mmestnik | Ohh cheers. I couldn't find the pkg whcp. |
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| 17:05.30 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: 3c509-C was pretty good. The others sucked. |
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| 17:06.09 | jhutchins_lt | CodeNinja: Right, what I'm saying is that testing it with the 3c509 isn't conclusive, it could still be a bad NIC. |
| 17:06.12 | CodeNinja | jhutchins_lt: btw, its 3c905 not 509 |
| 17:06.12 | CodeNinja | :P |
| 17:06.20 | jhutchins_lt | Them too. |
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| 17:06.37 | CodeNinja | jhutchins_lt: I've got about 10 nics I could test with if you really want me to go do it |
| 17:06.50 | jhutchins_lt | I have no investment either way. |
| 17:07.19 | mmestnik | Any one use "GNU Hosting Helper"? |
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| 17:07.57 | jhutchins_lt | CodeNinja: I would suggest that if this is plugged into a switch/hub/router you try another port. |
| 17:07.59 | acu | how many bugs are still in squeeze ? - when is squeeze going to freeze ? |
| 17:08.06 | jhutchins_lt | CodeNinja: Also try another cable. |
| 17:08.33 | jhutchins_lt | acu: See /topic, squeeze is frozen, iirc ~350 release critical bugs. |
| 17:08.38 | CodeNinja | jhutchins_lt: I've gone through 3 cables, and all 3 of the available ports on the switch :\ |
| 17:08.52 | CodeNinja | both nics |
| 17:09.00 | jhutchins_lt | Different kernel? |
| 17:09.25 | CodeNinja | 2.6.26 and 2.6.32 |
| 17:09.26 | acu | jhutchins, how can i see that topic ? |
| 17:10.05 | karlpinc | acu: See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and extapolate the green line down to 0. |
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| 17:10.31 | jamon | i can never read that graph karlpinc, am colourblind |
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| 17:11.05 | jhutchins_lt | jamon: You may be able to configure color rendering in your browser. |
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| 17:11.22 | karlpinc | jamon: It's the bottom line. |
| 17:11.29 | jhutchins_lt | acu: Topic is displayed when you join the channel and retained with some clients, can be redisplayed with the /topic command. |
| 17:11.54 | b0nghitter | !ispconfig |
| 17:11.54 | dpkg | ISPConfig is a web hosting control panel available under the BSD license. http://www.ispconfig.org/ |
| 17:12.45 | jhutchins_lt | CodeNinja: I don't know much about openvz, but I would suspect that it may have something to do with the problem. |
| 17:12.50 | karlpinc | How can I get dpkg's listkeys or listvals to give me back more than 15 results? I can never find what I want in the 15 it chooses. |
| 17:13.02 | petemc | keep repeating the search |
| 17:13.07 | acu | jhutchins_lt, oh you are right - I knew is frozen - too much glucose- buzz brain :)- I meant when are we going to have the final |
| 17:13.12 | jhutchins_lt | CodeNinja: It's not a common thing for modern systems, so either it's hardware or the openvz environment. |
| 17:13.15 | stew | karlpinc: try http://ircbots.debian.net |
| 17:13.22 | jhutchins_lt | acu: See above. |
| 17:13.36 | jhutchins_lt | acu: The nice thing is that Debian releases are based on quality, not an arbirary schedule. |
| 17:13.48 | acu | of course |
| 17:13.50 | stew | acu: sometime after we have a release candidate installer and security.debian.org has support for dpkg v3 source and after more release critical bugs are fixed |
| 17:14.01 | jelly-hme | CodeNinja: hm. I'd try switching the PCI card around first |
| 17:14.16 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-hme: Different slots? |
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| 17:14.24 | jelly-hme | jhutchins_lt: yes. |
| 17:14.25 | karlpinc | stew: Been there, and the wiki. Can't figure out where to go short of reading the code. |
| 17:14.29 | stew | acu: we are hoping for a beta of the installer in the next days or week or so, that will need testing, sometime later there will be a RC of the installer, then you'll know we're getting close |
| 17:14.37 | CodeNinja | jelly-hme: I could try that, but I dont know how that would help really if the same problems is happening on an onboard and a pci nic :\ |
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| 17:15.01 | jelly-hme | CodeNinja: currently it shares IRQ _with_ the possibly faulty onboard nic. |
| 17:15.01 | jhutchins_lt | stew: The intel GPU bugfix is in experimental. I'm thinking of taking the plungs. |
| 17:15.07 | jhutchins_lt | plunge even. |
| 17:15.11 | jelly-hme | CodeNinja: can you disable the onbard r8169 on bios? |
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| 17:15.14 | CodeNinja | jhutchins_lt: do you know where I could get more help with the debian repo openvz kernel? |
| 17:15.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's no factoid on the partition alignment stuff one has to do for the bigger disks these days? |
| 17:15.19 | CodeNinja | jelly-hme: most likely yes |
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| 17:15.58 | acu | stew: thanks - it would be kind of cool if debian has this kind of news well, in the news :) on the front page - for non-developers is too silent :) |
| 17:17.04 | jhutchins_lt | acu: Can't have everything on the front page - it's there if you know where to look. |
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| 17:18.12 | jelly-hme | CodeNinja: I'd do that _and_ move the 3c905 to a different PCI slot |
| 17:18.40 | CodeNinja | jelly-hme: ok, I will go do that right now... brb |
| 17:18.42 | acu | jhutchins_lt : of course - but the news could me more flashy and updated - I remember few years ago it was a weekly news - it was preety cool - you know what was going on - Dopamine was flooding our brain :) |
| 17:18.53 | stew | acu: http://www.debian-news.net/ |
| 17:19.07 | jordanm | also, lwn.net covers the major stuff |
| 17:19.34 | stew | acu: and http://www.debian.org/News/ |
| 17:20.03 | stew | acu: and http://www.debian.org/News/project/ |
| 17:20.42 | jordanm | can't forget about debian-news@l.d.o |
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| 17:22.06 | acu | stew: thanks that is cool - I usually check the ones on debian.org - but the debian-news.net I did not know - |
| 17:22.44 | jelly-hme | debian-news.net doesn't look like much more than a gimmick to make soem adsense cash |
| 17:22.56 | stew | yeah |
| 17:23.33 | jhutchins_lt | CodeNinja: http://wiki.openvz.org/Category:Networking |
| 17:23.34 | stew | doesn't seem to be run by a dd |
| 17:23.47 | jelly-hme | that's not necessarity a bad thing |
| 17:23.59 | acu | jelly-hme, it seem a bit dense - the hot girls may had been a major reason :) |
| 17:23.59 | jelly-hme | "Disable IPv6 The Right (Debian) Way" points to a blog that shows how to rebuild the whole kernel w/o 'v6 |
| 17:24.29 | jelly-hme | stuff in /msg dpkg noipv6 is _somewhat_ simpler |
| 17:24.33 | CodeNinja | jelly-hme: ok, I disabled the onboard nic's chip in bios, and moved the card up one pci slot |
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| 17:24.57 | jelly-hme | CodeNinja: would be nice to see your /proc/interrupts now |
| 17:25.23 | jordanm | jelly-hme: yeah.. I would call that the gentoo way, not the debian way |
| 17:25.28 | CodeNinja | jelly-hme: sure, hold |
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| 17:26.39 | jelly-hme | jordanm: it's like that debian-administration dot _com_ clone instead of org |
| 17:26.44 | CodeNinja | jelly-hme: http://docs.chriswalker.devnetonline.net/interrupts.hydra.10-05-2010.txt |
| 17:27.16 | jelly-hme | nice, now it's all alone on 19: 6429 IO-APIC-fasteoi eth0 |
| 17:27.34 | CodeNinja | jelly-hme: I suppose that I should've checked interrupts before doing so to make sure |
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| 17:29.09 | jelly-hme | CodeNinja: with a message like "eth0: Interrupt posted but not delivered -- IRQ blocked by another device?", I'd have to agree |
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| 17:31.47 | CodeNinja | jelly-hme: alright, well I'm about to have someone push a 10mb file to my server to see if it does it or not, I have a feeling I'm going to be waiting here in the dark for a bit :\ |
| 17:32.25 | jelly-hme | CodeNinja: put up /dev/zero on the web and I'll try to download all of it :-) |
| 17:32.31 | CodeNinja | XD |
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| 17:32.33 | noxchat_tester | hi. could someone tell me the time in germany?(mesz) |
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| 17:32.49 | CodeNinja | noxchat_tester: google world time clock |
| 17:32.49 | Bushmills | half past 7 |
| 17:32.50 | CodeNinja | tadah |
| 17:32.50 | patrick-- | Is there s quick way to find out which Kernel is suitable for Processortype XY ? |
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| 17:33.29 | jordanm | patrick--: look up your architecture via wikipedia? |
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| 17:33.38 | patrick-- | jordanm: its all about the arch? |
| 17:33.41 | jhutchins_lt | Does openvz requre or benefit from hardware support? |
| 17:33.47 | jordanm | patrick--: yes |
| 17:33.49 | patrick-- | oh |
| 17:33.49 | patrick-- | :D |
| 17:33.51 | patrick-- | np then |
| 17:33.52 | patrick-- | thanks |
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| 17:33.56 | noxchat_tester | thanks.stuck with a cell in the black forest |
| 17:34.24 | quitte | sorry cellphone |
| 17:34.40 | CodeNinja | jhutchins_lt: what do you mean? openvz does single kernel virtualization instead of how virtualbox does it with one kernel per guest, you can run it on practically anything, and I dont think there is anything specific required to run it |
| 17:34.41 | jhutchins_lt | Thats.... an odd method of getting the time. |
| 17:35.20 | jelly-hme | jhutchins_lt: no, openvz is like solaris zones or bsd jails or... a better chroot |
| 17:35.53 | jelly-hme | I may be wrong about solaris |
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| 17:43.58 | pallgone | hmm, how was this cmd called that can detach a process from the shell without screen? |
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| 17:44.14 | Bushmills | nohup? |
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| 17:44.19 | stew | pallgone: detach? |
| 17:44.43 | olskolirc | hey cool kats ive been away from debian for a few years now using Kubuntu - does kde in debian use plasma desktop or old kde 3x? |
| 17:44.53 | jelly-hme | dtach? tmux? |
| 17:45.05 | Bushmills | tmux is in sid, not in stable |
| 17:45.06 | pallgone | I think it's something else... I forgot |
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| 17:45.33 | Bushmills | it might be in testing, not sure about |
| 17:45.34 | pallgone | it's not a terminal multiplexer thing, so no screen/tmux/... |
| 17:45.39 | jelly-hme | pallgone: do you wish to reattach it later or not? |
| 17:45.45 | pallgone | jelly-hme: yeah |
| 17:45.56 | olskolirc | anyone? |
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| 17:46.12 | pallgone | I've used it once, so much I know :) |
| 17:46.24 | jelly-hme | pallgone: use a screen-like tool, then, other tools are hacks |
| 17:46.51 | jelly-hme | I remember one the messed with process internals and worked only on i386 |
| 17:46.51 | Bushmills | dtach |
| 17:47.08 | Bushmills | oh, as jelly-hme said |
| 17:47.19 | jelly-hme | dtach is pretty much like screen for just one tty |
| 17:47.41 | pallgone | ok, let me google some more, I will find it eventually again :) |
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| 17:47.52 | jelly-hme | can't remember the name either |
| 17:48.00 | CodeNinja | jelly-hme: it did it again :| |
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| 17:48.41 | jelly-hme | [19:44] ~ => apt-cache search tty detach |
| 17:48.41 | jelly-hme | detachtty - Attach/detach from interactive processes across the network |
| 17:48.42 | jelly-hme | retty - attach processes running on other terminals |
| 17:48.42 | GuilhermeCunha | how to install gmake in debian squeeze ? |
| 17:49.07 | jordanm | GuilhermeCunha: aptitude install make? |
| 17:49.14 | jordanm | assuming gmake = GNU Make |
| 17:49.23 | stew | GuilhermeCunha: aptitude install build-essential |
| 17:49.36 | CodeNinja | sysadmin rage |
| 17:49.43 | pallgone | ah, got it: disown |
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| 17:51.04 | CodeNinja | jelly-hme: the error count in ifconfig went to 103 on TX and 63 overruns on RX when it happened |
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| 17:53.29 | GuilhermeCunha | stew, dpkg -l |grep build-essential |
| 17:53.29 | GuilhermeCunha | ii build-essential 11.5 Informational list of build-essential packages |
| 17:54.08 | jelly-hme | CodeNinja: hmph. Dunno, you could play with interrupt routing boot parameters, disabling ioapic, but that's just guesswork |
| 17:54.08 | GuilhermeCunha | ii automake 1:1.11.1-1 A tool for generating GNU Standards-compliant Makefiles |
| 17:54.09 | GuilhermeCunha | ii make 3.81-8 An utility for Directing compilation. |
| 17:54.09 | GuilhermeCunha | ii makedev 2.3.1-89 creates device files in /dev |
| 17:54.11 | stew | GuilhermeCunha: then gmake should be installed an usable as /usr/bin/make |
| 17:54.24 | GuilhermeCunha | hmm |
| 17:54.35 | GuilhermeCunha | i need to create a symbolic link ? |
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| 17:54.52 | stew | GuilhermeCunha: you shouldn't need to. why? |
| 17:54.53 | CodeNinja | facepalm |
| 17:55.10 | GuilhermeCunha | stew, to pgcluster ... |
| 17:55.29 | GuilhermeCunha | stew, i'm testing with make ... thanks |
| 17:56.01 | jordanm | ,file /usr/bin/gmake |
| 17:56.04 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 17:57.08 | jhutchins_lt | pallgone: screen |
| 17:57.54 | pallgone | jhutchins_lt: no, I can't use screen/tmux/.. |
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| 18:01.31 | CodeNinja | jelly-hme: I assume by what you were talking about you mean noapic boot option right? |
| 18:01.43 | p01 | [A |
| 18:01.44 | salieri | does one need to run anything after changing /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 18:01.44 | p01 | [A |
| 18:02.08 | salieri | hrm guess not... |
| 18:02.42 | jelly-hme | CodeNinja: no, I mean there's a whole lot of related *irq*, *pci* *apic* params |
| 18:02.43 | jhutchins_lt | salieri: Perhaps something like shutdown -r now or telinit 6? |
| 18:02.50 | salieri | heh yeah |
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| 18:03.03 | salieri | damn it's not finding my openbsd partition |
| 18:03.16 | jhutchins_lt | CodeNinja: I'm curious about whether you'd have the same problem with a stock (non-vz) kernel |
| 18:03.16 | salieri | maybe i have to put more in than rootnoverify (hd0,1) etc |
| 18:03.21 | jordanm | salieri: update-grub if you have modified the automagic kernel generation section |
| 18:03.33 | salieri | k |
| 18:03.42 | jordanm | salieri: if you have edited a part of that section in which you should not have, menu.lst will no longer autogenerate |
| 18:04.00 | jordanm | the documentation of this is in the comments |
| 18:04.14 | salieri | hrm i added rootnoverify (hd0,1) / makeactive/chainloader +1 and i saw the "openbsd" partition show up in the menu |
| 18:04.23 | salieri | but when i select it the thing halts |
| 18:04.45 | jordanm | salieri: you should only edit commented sections, without uncommenting |
| 18:04.59 | salieri | huh. |
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| 18:05.05 | salieri | ok lemme try redoing that |
| 18:05.13 | jordanm | salieri: read the comments in the file |
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| 18:05.57 | jordanm | salieri: you don't have to do it that way, but you do if you edit the section labled "### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST" |
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| 18:06.20 | salieri | oh i see |
| 18:06.29 | salieri | no i did not edit anytihng with begin automagic kernels list |
| 18:06.36 | salieri | i put the thing in ##End Default Options## |
| 18:06.40 | salieri | i'll take it out now and try update-list |
| 18:07.47 | salieri | hrm oh i see |
| 18:07.54 | CodeNinja | jhutchins_lt: I would be willing to try at least, but that'd really suck for my server during that time :\ |
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| 18:10.22 | jhutchins_lt | CodeNinja: Yes, purely for test purposes. |
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| 18:10.54 | olskolirc | is kde on debian plasma desktop? |
| 18:11.26 | vy | Hi! I compiled a vanilla linux 2.6.35.7 kernel with the exact configurations of 2.6.32-5 distributed with squeeze. "make-kpkg ... kernel_image kernel_headers" worked without a problem, I installed the packages and rebooted the system. But there appears to be linux/autoconf.h is missing. How can I supply that file? Broadcom WiFi drivers depend on linux/autoconf.h to compile. |
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| 18:12.35 | jordanm | vy: you are trying to compile wl drivers? isn't the new opensource drivers available from that .35 kernel? |
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| 18:13.26 | jordanm | vy: anyways, it should be in the generated headers package for that kernel. is it installed? |
| 18:13.54 | vy | jordanm: Yup, but there is no autoconf.h. |
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| 18:15.05 | jordanm | vy: should be. /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/include/linux/autoconf.h |
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| 18:16.15 | jordanm | but perhaps the upstream software you are trying to use is expecting a symlink to /usr/src/linux |
| 18:17.25 | vy | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/nEtqtjBv |
| 18:17.27 | jordanm | but again... they just release their open source drivers, I believe even in mainline |
| 18:17.31 | darkschneider | hello, i updated my unstable just a few days ago, and now php sessions expire after 1440 seconds, so i guess the cron script has been fixed and it deletes all php sessions. The point is that it is ignoring .htacess files of each file. There is a common accepted solution to this? Any way to improve the cron script called? |
| 18:18.21 | olskolirc | nobody is on kde? |
| 18:18.27 | jordanm | vy: what do you want me to see there? |
| 18:18.29 | jhutchins_lt | olskolirc: The current stable release, lenny, is kde3.5. |
| 18:18.42 | dondelelcaro | darkschneider: what do you mean by .htaccess files of each file? |
| 18:18.45 | jhutchins_lt | olskolirc: I believe the current testing release, squeeze, will release with kde4. |
| 18:18.57 | darkschneider | dondelelcaro: sorry, file/site |
| 18:19.02 | olskolirc | thanks jhutchins |
| 18:19.05 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions kdebase |
| 18:19.06 | vy | jordanm: make-kpkg doesn't provide any autoconf.h files. |
| 18:19.07 | judd | Package kdebase on i386 -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1; etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; lenny-security: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; sid: 5:64; squeeze: 5:64 |
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| 18:19.36 | olskolirc | is judd a bot? |
| 18:19.42 | jhutchins_lt | Yep |
| 18:19.47 | jordanm | vy: thats not the directory I said it would be in, but part of the path that only shows me it looks fine to that point |
| 18:19.58 | dondelelcaro | darkschneider: again, what do you mean by that? .htaccess only has meaning for accesses run through apache, not cron jobs or any shell scripts. |
| 18:19.58 | darkschneider | dondelelcaro: each site may want a different time for it's session to expire, and it will also set it in his htaccess, but debina will read the value from global php.ini only and delete sessions that are still valid :( |
| 18:20.29 | dondelelcaro | darkschneider: then you change the global session timeout to be larger than the largest session timeout |
| 18:20.29 | olskolirc | when does squeeze come out jhutchins |
| 18:20.37 | vy | jordanm: Let me try those F/OSS drivers. |
| 18:20.41 | dondelelcaro | darkschneider: or disable the cron job, or otherwise change it's timeout |
| 18:20.48 | vy | jordanm: Thanks. brb in 5 mins. |
| 18:21.27 | darkschneider | dondelelcaro: the script run by cron each 30 mins reads the value for session expiring timeout from the global php.ini ingoring the one specified in .htaccess |
| 18:22.08 | karlpinc | olskolirc: See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and extapolate the green line down to 0. (I swear there was a factoid somewhere.) |
| 18:22.23 | darkschneider | dondelelcaro: it's not a fix to change the value to higher than the highest in all possible .htaccess, a user may change his value cause he wants 3 weeks sessions.... |
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| 18:23.04 | dondelelcaro | darkschneider: sure, but there's no sane way for a cron job to know where all possible .htaccess settings are and to then reconnect each setting back to a particular .htaccess. |
| 18:23.11 | darkschneider | dondelelcaro: disabling the cron is just crazy, cause it will leave a ton of sessions piping on the run (even shorts9 |
| 18:23.15 | dondelelcaro | (and frankly, having sessions that long is insane) |
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| 18:23.43 | dondelelcaro | s/setting /session / |
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| 18:23.53 | darkschneider | dondelelcaro: yep i agree... but you know... we try to offer the service :D if users you attract are insane.. they still pay you :D |
| 18:24.18 | darkschneider | thanks, i wanted to know if there was a sane solution |
| 18:24.30 | darkschneider | i'll just impose a week limit to sessions... |
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| 18:25.49 | dondelelcaro | darkschneider: that's probably the most reasonable thing to do |
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| 18:26.08 | CodeNinja | jhutchins_lt: ok, I just installed linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-686 |
| 18:26.17 | dondelelcaro | in reality, php should be cleaning sessions up on its own, but even that is problematic |
| 18:26.33 | darkschneider | yes thanks. I just wonder why debian folks did not advertized this change of default behavior.. i was _very_ luck to find the issue so fast |
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| 18:27.21 | darkschneider | yeah... php is stupid about that... it's the only one that can track his own sessions... so it should do it.. leaving to a cron job is just patchy |
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| 18:27.38 | olskolirc | so lenny is full of bugs and security issues? |
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| 18:27.50 | darkschneider | the world is |
| 18:28.06 | helo | olskolirc: do you know how many lines of code are included in lenny? |
| 18:28.14 | darkschneider | lenny does not have any more than the same amount humanity has |
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| 18:28.29 | olskolirc | it doesn't matter to me helo i just want to eat the cake not make the cake |
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| 18:28.31 | olskolirc | is it etible? |
| 18:28.45 | dondelelcaro | darkschneider: see #504053 et al. which has some discussion of it |
| 18:28.45 | darkschneider | olskolirc: please offer a comparison. More or less security issues than what... |
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| 18:28.57 | olskolirc | then Kubuntu Lucid |
| 18:29.02 | helo | olskolirc: same |
| 18:29.02 | darkschneider | dondelelcaro: thanks, cjecking |
| 18:29.07 | olskolirc | i want to come back to debian |
| 18:29.11 | vy | jordanm: Yup, like I recalled, b48 doesn't work for my wireless card, it requires new bcm80211 module, which is in the next linux branch. |
| 18:29.12 | dondelelcaro | darkschneider: it's been doing that cleanup for a while, but it probably just got better at figuring out when it should be cleaning things, so you only now noticed it |
| 18:29.25 | olskolirc | im tired of borkey upgrades and the last solid stable distro i was on was debian sarge years ago |
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| 18:29.36 | helo | possibly in debian's favor... but everything is a tradeoff. lucid has newer packages than lenny |
| 18:29.38 | dondelelcaro | olskolirc: we have fairly reasonable security support. You can track what we're doing with the security tracker, and help out too |
| 18:29.54 | olskolirc | thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 18:30.03 | olskolirc | lastly, does debian have compiz-fusion? |
| 18:30.12 | helo | olskolirc: if you only care about stability, debian's stable releases are relatively stable |
| 18:30.18 | jordanm | vy: you are already playing around with custom kernels, why not the next branch to avoid tainting your kernel? |
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| 18:31.12 | jordanm | !tell olskolirc about pdo |
| 18:31.34 | darkschneider | dondelelcaro: i think it was broken here, since i am sure it just started working (i have seen local session expiring for the first time yesterday after update), but maybe last update was 6 months old). Anyway thanks, same bug report i had already found. Thanks a lot |
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| 18:32.13 | dondelelcaro | darkschneider: yeah, you really shouldn't be running unstable in a production environment; especially not if you're updating every six months... |
| 18:32.16 | Dominicus | Is there any downside to setting "UseDNS no" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config? |
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| 18:32.37 | dondelelcaro | Dominicus: known_hosts won't work properly in some cases |
| 18:32.42 | darkschneider | dondelelcaro: i know... but i needed php 5.3 :/ that is started to be required |
| 18:32.43 | bulletpulse | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230534006903 |
| 18:32.56 | dondelelcaro | darkschneider: backports, man. |
| 18:33.04 | themill | bulletpulse: wrong channel? |
| 18:33.09 | darkschneider | dondelelcaro: mostrly cause of the date functions added... yeah true... i was lazy, i admit... |
| 18:33.21 | bulletpulse | oh yes, my bad! sorry guys! |
| 18:33.24 | dondelelcaro | darkschneider: you need to be lazier... |
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| 18:33.34 | themill | bulletpulse: spamming it in #ubuntu wasn't required either. |
| 18:33.34 | darkschneider | heeh :) |
| 18:33.47 | bulletpulse | omg wrong again! wtf |
| 18:33.48 | stew | bulletpulse: do you have a debian related question? |
| 18:33.52 | pickcoder | themill: spammers spam everywhere... |
| 18:34.06 | tdn | How do I use my wlan card as access point in Debian Lenny? |
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| 18:34.46 | amphi | tdn: depends on whether the driver supports 'master' mode; otherwise you can do something with ad-hoc |
| 18:35.14 | CodeNinja | jhutchins_lt: you may be on to something, I just scp'd a 1.5GB movie over to the server, it hasnt done it yet... :| where would I go from here? |
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| 18:35.33 | tdn | amphi, well, it is an EDIMAX USB card with rt73usb/rt2500usb. |
| 18:35.49 | Dominicus | dondelelcaro: ty |
| 18:35.49 | tdn | amphi, afaik it should support master mode. |
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| 18:36.08 | tdn | amphi, http://paste.adora.dk/P1786.html <- This is what appears in the log when I insert the card to USB. |
| 18:36.10 | amphi | tdn: I know nothing about it - read the docs, or just try iwconfig <iface> mode master and see what happens |
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| 18:37.52 | ZitZ | tdn, that looks like one of the prism cards, I never had luck with the linux drivers for those, I always had to use ndiswrapper |
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| 18:39.48 | pickcoder | tdn: try hostap-utils |
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| 18:40.48 | fabzor3 | hi |
| 18:40.58 | rss | hi |
| 18:41.04 | fabzor3 | im looking to get my adaptec 1430sa working in debian |
| 18:41.05 | pickcoder | if the packaged version fails, you may have to build it from source |
| 18:41.15 | fabzor3 | i have the source for the drivers here |
| 18:41.27 | rss | what type of adapter is the 1430sa |
| 18:41.28 | fabzor3 | but im wondering can debian extract rpm files? |
| 18:41.46 | fabzor3 | pcie hardware raid controller |
| 18:41.52 | fabzor3 | i have 3 hard discs in raid0 |
| 18:42.06 | pickcoder | fabzor3: use alien to convert it |
| 18:42.10 | tdn | pickcoder, ok. Thanks. |
| 18:42.12 | fabzor3 | ahhh cool :) |
| 18:42.31 | vy` | jordanm: What do you think about /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.35.7-vy/include/generated/autoconf.h Is it the expected autoconf.h? |
| 18:42.34 | fabzor3 | excellent so alien is in debian as well as ubuntu |
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| 18:42.59 | CodeNinja | rages |
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| 18:44.01 | rss | yes alien is in debian |
| 18:44.21 | rss | if you have source and kernel header why ot compile directly |
| 18:45.15 | fabzor3 | this is the first time i have built something into a kernel :/ |
| 18:45.30 | tdn | amphi, how do I get iwconfig? |
| 18:45.37 | rss | I would advise to build from source. Alien has often not done a good job for me. |
| 18:45.40 | fabzor3 | is this anything like gentoo where i go make menuconfig? |
| 18:45.54 | fabzor3 | i have the rpm here |
| 18:46.14 | fabzor3 | so mabe i can just open it up somehow and compile the driver using debian live cd or something |
| 18:46.25 | jhutchins_lt | I know there's some sort of relase goals/notes that describes what squeeze will have, but I don't know where. |
| 18:46.27 | ZitZ | you can use alien to create a .deb that you can then install normally |
| 18:46.35 | rss | if you have source and kernel headers than you should be able make; make clean; make ; make install |
| 18:46.42 | fabzor3 | see the tricky bit is i actually want to install the os using this kernel so i can install the system to the raid0 hard disk |
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| 18:47.21 | salieri | sweetness: update, grub is booting debian and openbsd properly :-) |
| 18:47.35 | rss | maybe installing a debian in virtualbox and compiling mudule ther could help |
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| 18:47.53 | fabzor3 | wow this sounds really hard |
| 18:47.53 | themill | jhutchins_lt: /msg dpkg release goals? or wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze ? |
| 18:47.54 | fabzor3 | hmm |
| 18:47.57 | salieri | tho i found a weirdness in the installer (lenny) - if you have 3 logical partitions 5,6,7 and 5= jfs and 6 is jfs it can't install it |
| 18:47.58 | fabzor3 | i think ill hit google |
| 18:48.05 | fabzor3 | there must be guides for this kind of thing |
| 18:48.16 | salieri | but if you make 5 something else like XFS or something, it will work (bizarre) |
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| 18:48.45 | stew | fabzor3: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
| 18:48.53 | tdn | Which package provides iwconfig? |
| 18:49.10 | salieri | network-opts |
| 18:49.11 | rss | tdn wireless-tools |
| 18:49.15 | salieri | oh right yeah |
| 18:49.20 | salieri | sorry yeah wireless-tools |
| 18:49.27 | tdn | Ok. |
| 18:49.31 | fabzor3 | stew: thank you kind sir |
| 18:49.39 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Prolly newinsqueeze, thanks. |
| 18:49.39 | stew | i'd ceretainly not recommend using alien to install a kernel, unless you were prepared to do stuff yourself like build an initramfs |
| 18:50.24 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Hm, web page yet to be filled in. |
| 18:50.25 | mattt_ | I'm building my own apt wrapper package that depends on specific versions of other packages. When I try and install the wrapper it fails because newer versions of those dependencies are available. How can have the wrapper package install specific versions of packages without apt complaining and failing? |
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| 18:50.39 | fabzor3 | no just to extract the rpm |
| 18:50.43 | themill | jhutchins_lt: «(Click on the Comments button to see the proposed entries). » |
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| 18:50.49 | fabzor3 | but i could use some file rollar app for that |
| 18:50.49 | rss | fabzor3: I always compile my own kernel and modules so I have a complete tree |
| 18:51.18 | fabzor3 | whats a complete tree? |
| 18:51.31 | stew | mattt_: can you show us the exact commands you are and exact errors? use a pastebin |
| 18:51.33 | salieri | src tree |
| 18:51.41 | salieri | and he'll have all the modules he'll need (deps too) |
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| 18:51.46 | rss | complete tree = kernel source + own build and install |
| 18:51.50 | fabzor3 | ohh |
| 18:51.52 | salieri | aka he's oldskool |
| 18:51.53 | fabzor3 | nice |
| 18:51.59 | rss | I use make-kpkg for theat |
| 18:52.03 | tdn | ZitZ, it is a Ralink card. |
| 18:52.12 | fabzor3 | im also going to read linux.adaptec.com |
| 18:52.50 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Nothing on KDE. |
| 18:52.58 | rss | fabzoe3: is the 1430a new? mostly adaptec adapters ae really well supported |
| 18:53.02 | ZitZ | yeah, rt2500usb or something, i always needed ndiswrapper for the one i had |
| 18:53.27 | MrRenegade | hey guys got a question, what utility can i use to add an existing hard drive partition thats accessable to the file system and do it all though ssh? |
| 18:53.43 | MrRenegade | and have it stay after a reboot? |
| 18:53.43 | tdn | ZitZ, hmm... Ok. It is officially supported. The box it comes in says that it is supported by Linux 2.6. |
| 18:53.48 | jhutchins_lt | MrRenegade: mount |
| 18:54.04 | jhutchins_lt | MrRenegade: man fstab |
| 18:54.07 | MrRenegade | problem is its not showing it as a vaild drive |
| 18:54.14 | jhutchins_lt | MrRenegade: fdisk -l? |
| 18:54.16 | MrRenegade | its a raid array |
| 18:54.20 | jhutchins_lt | Ah. |
| 18:54.23 | salieri | cfdisk? |
| 18:54.26 | themill | jhutchins_lt: ahh... 4.4.5 |
| 18:54.31 | Bushmills | many of those adaptec controller have been i2o controllers for about 10 years. kernel needs i2o support, device specific but platform independent driver would be provided by adaptec |
| 18:54.34 | salieri | least you get the ncurses menu type thingy |
| 18:55.34 | rss | bushmill, fabzor3: that is what I was asking i2o layer should work. if card bios allows raid configuration for a raid pack |
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| 18:55.59 | Bushmills | without knowing this specific controller, i'd say that it is very likely |
| 18:56.17 | salieri | mmm whiskey |
| 18:56.18 | tdn | I get this error when running iwconfig wlan0 master: Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument. |
| 18:56.30 | ZitZ | tdn, i didn't know that they were boasting linux support on the box, I didn't get it to work as recent as kernel 2.6.30, you can try, i would recommend searching debian packages for prism drivers and hostap-utils |
| 18:56.34 | fabzor3 | rss: if it helps my card is a 1430sa |
| 18:57.29 | tdn | ZitZ, I do not think it is prism though. From http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi it appears that prism cards are different from ralink cards. |
| 18:58.19 | MrRenegade | jhutchins_lt: Disk /dev/cciss/c0d0: 36.4 GB, 36414750720 bytes |
| 18:58.19 | MrRenegade | 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4427 cylinders |
| 18:58.19 | MrRenegade | Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes |
| 18:58.19 | MrRenegade | Disk identifier: 0xe617e617 |
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| 18:58.24 | rss | fabzor3: mostly if you have a real (not software assisted) raid card i.e. bios on card allows you to configure pack and format it. If the card speaks i20 then base debian install should simply work! |
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| 18:58.48 | rss | at least, that is my experiences |
| 18:58.51 | fabzor3 | the base debian does not |
| 18:58.56 | fabzor3 | but base centos works fine |
| 18:58.58 | fabzor3 | but centos sucks |
| 18:59.13 | fabzor3 | cos im gonna try to build a kernel modeule or whatever into a new debian install |
| 18:59.24 | fabzor3 | i can put my os on my ssd come to think of it |
| 18:59.25 | MrRenegade | 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4427 cylinders |
| 18:59.25 | MrRenegade | Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes |
| 18:59.25 | MrRenegade | Disk identifier: 0xe617e617 |
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| 18:59.32 | rss | tdn: what cad are you trying to use? |
| 18:59.34 | fabzor3 | and just use the raid to chuck my movies and music on to |
| 18:59.46 | mattt_ | stew: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/d8ffbb8b/ |
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| 19:00.01 | ZitZ | tdn, what have you done so far to try to get it to work? |
| 19:00.08 | rss | fabzor3: on the centos use lsmod to see what module is used |
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| 19:00.32 | tdn | rss, Edimax ralink it says this when I connect it : http://paste.adora.dk/P1786.html |
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| 19:01.15 | fabzor3 | i see |
| 19:01.27 | tdn | ZitZ, almost nothing. I do not know much about wireless so I have just tried inserting the device and then verified that I see the card on ifconfig -a and I tried iwconfig wlan0 mode master, but I got the error above. |
| 19:01.27 | fabzor3 | it might be aacraid but ill have to check |
| 19:01.34 | fabzor3 | thanks rss ill do that |
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| 19:01.52 | fabzor3 | do i actually have to install centos to do that? |
| 19:01.53 | rss | tdn: ralink should be well supported what network componets are you using? wpa_supplicant, wicd, network manager? |
| 19:02.07 | fabzor3 | oh no its still installed |
| 19:02.41 | rss | fabzor3: aacraid is definately supported. |
| 19:02.45 | tdn | rss, none. This box did not have wlan before. I do not have X on this box, so I guess I should use wpa_supplicant, right? |
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| 19:03.20 | tdn | rss, I would like to use it as an access point. It is a fit-PC server. |
| 19:03.32 | rss | yes install wpa_supplicant. |
| 19:03.59 | tdn | rss, ok |
| 19:04.02 | fabzor3 | dm-raid45.ko? |
| 19:04.03 | rss | I use wicd myself. its got a good gui but also a ncurses frontend to configure |
| 19:04.42 | tdn | rss, oh, maybe I should use that instead then. |
| 19:04.49 | ZitZ | i use wicd too |
| 19:04.56 | fabzor3 | dm_raid45 |
| 19:04.56 | tdn | rss, I do not know the difference. I thought wicd was GUI. |
| 19:05.09 | rss | fabzor3: dmraid45 means it is not a hardware raid card is is using sofware raid with hardware assistance. You will need to build the modules. if using lenny |
| 19:05.15 | ZitZ | wicd is a gui |
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| 19:05.27 | tdn | ZitZ, but ncurses? |
| 19:05.37 | tdn | ZitZ, I do not have X on this server. |
| 19:05.39 | rss | fabzor3: ymmmv if usiing a sid installation |
| 19:05.50 | fabzor3 | rss: what if i just use the old software raid technique? |
| 19:06.19 | fabzor3 | omg bastards i paid 180 bucks for that piece of junk "hardware" raid card |
| 19:06.20 | tdn | rss, ZitZ: would you recommend wicd instead of wpa_supplicant? |
| 19:06.23 | rss | ZitZ: no wicd is not a gui it is a deamon that manager the network cards |
| 19:06.42 | ZitZ | wicd uses wpa_supplicant by default I believe |
| 19:06.46 | rss | There is a ncusrses based program that can configure wicd |
| 19:06.51 | stew | mattt_: do you intend for your package to force you to have those exact versions? or is "this version or newer" what you want? |
| 19:07.02 | ZitZ | tdn, I think the package is probably called wicd-curses |
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| 19:07.10 | tdn | ZitZ, ok. |
| 19:08.05 | rss | fabzor3: that is what dmraid is. It is the newer version of the old linux software raid. it also allows the hardware assisted xor calcs for raid 5 and raid 1 |
| 19:08.31 | fabzor3 | so |
| 19:08.45 | mattt_ | stew: yes, in the package control file I specify those versions as the specific (exact) ones I want installed. |
| 19:09.03 | fabzor3 | is the card going to make it go faster if i leave the array plugged in and use dmraid? |
| 19:09.06 | tdn | Ok. So I have wpa_supplicant and wicd installed. Then what? |
| 19:09.34 | tdn | Starting Network connection manager: wicd failed! |
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| 19:09.37 | rss | tdn, ZitZ: no debian package on my sid box for wicd install the ncurses frontend the version of wicd i use is 1.7.0 |
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| 19:10.18 | tdn | rss, yeah, it is also 'wicd' on Lenny. |
| 19:10.28 | rss | tdn: did you remove the wlan interface fron /dev/network/interfaces as the documentation states? |
| 19:10.30 | ZitZ | wicd-curses for a ncurses frontend |
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| 19:11.07 | tdn | rss, no, it just tries to start it when the package is installed. |
| 19:11.14 | elulu | hm |
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| 19:11.18 | rss | oops i meant /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:11.27 | tdn | rss, yes |
| 19:11.38 | tdn | rss, if you mean /etc instead of /dev. |
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| 19:11.59 | rss | then id the ralink modules is loaded wicd offers ralink specific control for the wicd |
| 19:12.19 | pickcoder | fabzor3: you can't get a real RAID card for under $300 |
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| 19:12.48 | rafuch0 | x ) fail |
| 19:12.50 | stew | mattt_: i'd try aptitude instead of apt-get, it can give you more options when it hits a dependency problem. like when it says "is this solution ok?" you can so "no" and have it try again |
| 19:13.07 | tdn | rss, not sure what you mean. Should I look for it in lsmod? |
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| 19:13.26 | stew | mattt_: otherwise, you can try doing something like "apt-get install core-hd core-configuration=3.2-170 core-session-controller=3.2-263..." |
| 19:13.40 | pickcoder | (unless it's on eBay and it's a real deal) |
| 19:13.53 | stew | mattt_: or you can adjust the priorites of these packages with pinning, "man apt_preferences" |
| 19:14.01 | fabzor3 | pickcoder: okay so im boned basically |
| 19:14.26 | pickcoder | not if it supports hot-swap |
| 19:14.33 | fabzor3 | pickcoder: on windows with the software installed i did notice it moving very quickly though |
| 19:14.38 | pickcoder | you can still use softRAID and hot-swap cages |
| 19:14.39 | mattt_ | stew: aptitude comes up with the same thing |
| 19:14.45 | rss | fabzor3: possibly your pricepoint is a bit high. You could look for second hand hardware lots should be available, maybe even hp/compaq cciss cards? Are you tring to use raid 1 or raid 5 or raid 0 |
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| 19:14.53 | stew | mattt_: yes, but you should be able to tell aptitude to try again |
| 19:15.00 | fabzor3 | im not worried about hot-swap in fact i really dont want my hard disk going anywhere |
| 19:15.03 | tdn | rss, my lsmod is here: http://paste.adora.dk/P1793.html It contains lines such as: "crc_itu_t 2048 1 rt73usb", "rt2x00usb 9728 2 rt2500usb,rt73usb", "rt2x00lib 22272 3 rt2500usb,rt73usb,rt2x00usb" |
| 19:15.16 | fabzor3 | i just want raid0 |
| 19:15.26 | rss | if you use raid 0 forget the card and use native linux raid. on percentage the hardware assist is useless then |
| 19:15.42 | fabzor3 | hmm |
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| 19:15.57 | fabzor3 | should i take the card out and plug the disks straight into the mainboard? |
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| 19:16.56 | rss | tdn: lsmod is a toll used to list modules loaded by the kernel. if your lsmod says aacraid on your centos box you have a controller that supports i2o |
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| 19:17.30 | tdn | rss, was that for fabzor3 ? |
| 19:17.35 | rss | gaaaaaaaaaah iḿ having lots of typos sorry! |
| 19:17.44 | fabzor3 | hi :D |
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| 19:18.08 | shanepardue | I have a passwordless SSH session, but fstab won't automount it. It needs a password (for the ssh) when using sudo mount -a |
| 19:18.14 | rss | tdn: sorry yes |
| 19:18.26 | fabzor3 | no lsmod said dm_raid45 |
| 19:18.28 | mattt_ | stew: it never finds a solution |
| 19:18.49 | tdn | shanepardue, do you provide the private key via the -i param? |
| 19:18.55 | fabzor3 | meaning i have a piece of dog poo in my computer with a marvell logo on it |
| 19:19.07 | stew | mattt_: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy core-configuration" ? |
| 19:19.26 | shanepardue | tdn: No, that needs to be part of the fstab line? |
| 19:19.44 | tdn | shanepardue, I am not sure. I do not use sshfs in my fstab. |
| 19:19.53 | rss | fabzor3: tha means the hardware assisted calculation that dmraid can add is useless for you. remove card connectd both drives and install linux using mdraid tools instead of dmraid tools. |
| 19:20.00 | tdn | shanepardue, but I would guess that you must provide a private key file. |
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| 19:20.22 | fabzor3 | i see |
| 19:20.29 | shanepardue | tdn: I can connect using the sshfs command without an -i argument |
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| 19:20.34 | shanepardue | but not through fstab |
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| 19:20.50 | fabzor3 | rss: so its just chewing more power for no reason then? ILL TAKE MY ADAPTEC FAIL UNIT OUT |
| 19:20.56 | fabzor3 | oops caps :/ |
| 19:20.57 | tdn | shanepardue, yeah, but that is because ssh uses your ~/.ssh |
| 19:21.13 | rss | fabzor3: no you do not have dog pooh! the hardware assistance is really usefull for raid 5 and raid 1! |
| 19:21.25 | shanepardue | tdn: Interesting, I'll look into it. Thanks for your assistance |
| 19:21.31 | fabzor3 | haha |
| 19:21.34 | fabzor3 | i see |
| 19:22.03 | MrRenegade | ok guys how would I mount this device ? /dev/cciss/c0d1 and partition /dev/cciss/c0d1p1 |
| 19:22.04 | fabzor3 | but i want my video card to get all the watts so i think ill plug the hard disks into the mainboard |
| 19:22.18 | fabzor3 | itll give me quicker boot time too |
| 19:22.23 | MrRenegade | its a HPFS/NTFS |
| 19:22.30 | tdn | rss, should I be able to use wpa_supplicant to get my wlan card in master mode somehow? |
| 19:22.50 | stew | MrRenegade: what filesystem does "file -s /dev/cciss/c0d1p1" say it contains? |
| 19:22.57 | stew | MrRenegade: (the partition type doesn't really matter) |
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| 19:23.46 | MrRenegade | stew it says X86 Boot Sector |
| 19:23.50 | rss | fabzor3: good idea! the config will possibly be easier. However, if you use the raid card the you will have extra sata ports availble for other stuff. Have you tried a debian SID install? |
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| 19:24.39 | rss | I have been using sid for almost 8 years now and have only had 2 major breaks in that time. |
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| 19:26.16 | stew | rss: its nice that you are so lucky, but you shouldn't recommend this to others unless you are sure they know what they are doing and know what risks they are taking |
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| 19:26.36 | mattt_ | stew: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/13c25483/ |
| 19:26.41 | rss | stew: you are correct. I appologize! |
| 19:26.57 | stew | mattt_: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
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| 19:28.17 | tdn | rss, wicd will not touch any of the network interfaces that are defined in /etc/network/interfaces, right? |
| 19:28.24 | mattt_ | Wouldn't #debian be more relevant given that this is an apt/deb package problem? |
| 19:28.33 | twisted` | someone here familiar with x2go? |
| 19:28.39 | stew | mattt_: no, this isn't a debian problem, you are running ubuntu not debian |
| 19:28.40 | tdn | rss, I am thinking about the wired interfaces. It is critical that it does not disable those. |
| 19:28.56 | jelly-hme | MrRenegade: c0d1 is the whole disk. /dev/cciss/c0d1p1 is a partition, you should be able to mount it normally using the "ntfs" filesystem type |
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| 19:29.28 | jelly-hme | MrRenegade: does output of "blkid" command suggest it's an NTFS filesystem? |
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| 19:29.58 | MrRenegade | /dev/cciss/c0d1p1: UUID="1C7C42547C4228BA" LABEL="Data" TYPE="ntfs" |
| 19:30.03 | MrRenegade | yeah says ntfs |
| 19:30.05 | rss | fabzor3: you should really be able to find adaptec aacraid (i2o) cards on the second hand market for really attractive prices. they would be using PCI not PCIE, but from what you say you really just want to enlarge your storage space and if your computer has a PCI slot ... |
| 19:30.58 | jelly-hme | MrRenegade: so mount it normally, "mount -t ntfs /dev/cciss/c0d1p1 /mnt" or whatever |
| 19:31.09 | fabzor3 | i hear good things about software raid :) |
| 19:31.16 | fabzor3 | i has positive attitude |
| 19:31.24 | rss | tdn: yes wicd will not touch any interface defined in /etc/netorl/interfaces. I know it sounds stange, but it really wont. |
| 19:31.34 | tdn | rss, ok. |
| 19:31.37 | dondelelcaro | fabzor3: if you're going to use software raid, you want to use the md driver. |
| 19:31.38 | jelly-hme | fabzor3: it's cheaper than a decent hw raid, that's one thing in its favor |
| 19:31.56 | fabzor3 | besides my overclocked phenom II will make a decent raid controller :) |
| 19:32.01 | dondelelcaro | fabzor3: but if you're going to pay real money for a card, you want real hardware raid. |
| 19:32.05 | tdn | rss, can you tell me how to have my wlan card become an AP? |
| 19:32.20 | dondelelcaro | (or if performance is a serious objective) |
| 19:32.31 | fabzor3 | mdadm? |
| 19:32.44 | fabzor3 | yeah |
| 19:32.45 | dondelelcaro | fabzor3: yes, mdadm is the administrative program for the md driver. |
| 19:32.58 | fabzor3 | if i had real money i'd just get some aesome dell server |
| 19:33.14 | fabzor3 | cool |
| 19:33.36 | MrRenegade | jelly-hme hey that worked i guess i was typing the syntax wrong |
| 19:33.51 | rss | tdn: if you use wicd and remove your eth0? interface from /etc/network/interfaces you get profile support for the wired card. wicd is not able to connect mroe that one interface at a time at this time. I only use one via wicd and manually configure extra interfaces at need using he ip tools if I do. |
| 19:34.04 | MrRenegade | I was putting -t ntfs after the drive location |
| 19:34.13 | jelly-hme | MrRenegade: that's not what the manual says though |
| 19:34.33 | tdn | rss, I only want to use wicd with my wlan card (wlan0). How do I do this? |
| 19:34.48 | MrRenegade | jelly-hme no but it is kinda confusing |
| 19:35.21 | jelly-hme | MrRenegade: mind the order. man man explains how to read the stuff in SYNOPSIS |
| 19:35.39 | MrRenegade | ah ok |
| 19:35.53 | MrRenegade | now say I wish to remove that and change the mount point name to say Data |
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| 19:36.44 | jelly-hme | umount it, create a directory to use as mount point and name it to your liking, mount |
| 19:36.53 | rss | tdn: leave your wired card in /etc/network/interfaces wicd won't touch it then. Make sure you have the wpa_supplicant installed for your network card. some manual editing may be needed in /etc/wpasupplicant.conf. |
| 19:37.00 | MrRenegade | gotcha |
| 19:37.01 | jelly-hme | MrRenegade: note the default ntfs driver is read-only |
| 19:37.13 | MrRenegade | ...... |
| 19:37.28 | MrRenegade | oook how do i have read-write ? |
| 19:37.43 | jelly-hme | !ntfsrw |
| 19:37.43 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from the ntfsprogs package (see also Debian bug #508982). See also <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 19:38.03 | jelly-hme | MrRenegade: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g, I guess |
| 19:38.42 | fabzor3 | MrRenegade: sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g |
| 19:38.48 | jhutchins_lt | !tell shanepardue about sshfs |
| 19:38.51 | tdn | rss, ok, when I start wicd-ncurses it says no wireless available. |
| 19:39.09 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: Are you on squeeze? |
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| 19:39.16 | tdn | rss, you mean the files inside /etc/wpa_supplicant/? |
| 19:39.20 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, no. Lenny. |
| 19:39.22 | MrWax | Any virtualbox users in here? |
| 19:39.33 | tdn | MrWax, yes. |
| 19:39.35 | fabzor3 | MrRenegade: the only reason you cant write to ntfs drives in linux is because ms are gaylords |
| 19:40.04 | MrRenegade | makes sence |
| 19:40.53 | jhutchins_lt | I often use fish for that. |
| 19:40.56 | rss | tdn: does the ralink need a firmware? check using aptitude and searching for firmware- |
| 19:41.24 | MrRenegade | dumb question why do i not have unmount? |
| 19:41.34 | jelly-hme | fabzor3: but you can write to ntfs drives in Linux, and there are even commercial kernel-based drivers licensed by MS to do it efficiently |
| 19:41.38 | MrRenegade | or is there diffrent syntax on that too |
| 19:42.15 | jhutchins_lt | MrRenegade: Did you read the mount manpage? |
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| 19:42.22 | MrRenegade | .... |
| 19:42.29 | rss | AFK (nature calls) |
| 19:42.31 | fabzor3 | jelly-hme: yeah true i noticed ubuntu does it out of the box too |
| 19:42.53 | jhutchins_lt | MrRenegade: Computers are very picky about spelling. |
| 19:42.55 | stew | MrRenegade: you mean umount? |
| 19:42.57 | jelly-hme | fabzor3: I believe they just use ntfs-3g, which can be CPU-bound |
| 19:43.02 | helo | heh |
| 19:43.12 | MrRenegade | facepalms |
| 19:43.43 | jhutchins_lt | MrRenegade: Don't think plenty of us haven't made EXACTLY the same mistake! |
| 19:43.50 | MrWax | tdn: I am trying to import a debian .vdi image |
| 19:43.59 | MrWax | tdn: but the network settings dont work, i get no ip |
| 19:44.04 | MrWax | tdn: what can I do to fix this? |
| 19:44.13 | fabzor3 | MrWax: virtualbox? |
| 19:44.55 | rss | ok I'm back |
| 19:45.05 | tdn | rss, I am not sure. I will check. |
| 19:45.14 | MrWax | fabzor3: yes |
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| 19:46.02 | tdn | rss, firmware-linux-free ? |
| 19:46.09 | fabzor3 | so the problem is that you cant get networking going in your virtual machine inside virtual box? |
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| 19:46.28 | tdn | MrWax, hmm... I have not tried that. |
| 19:46.41 | rss | tdn: setup the virtualbox for a bridged adapter |
| 19:46.48 | MrWax | fabzor3: yes |
| 19:46.59 | MrWax | rss: i have |
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| 19:47.07 | fabzor3 | k so before you star the virtual machine up go into the virtualbox manager thing |
| 19:47.08 | tdn | rss, how do I know if firmware-linux-free provides firmware for my ralink card? |
| 19:47.15 | fabzor3 | go into network part |
| 19:47.16 | rss | oops my comment was for meWax |
| 19:47.28 | cesurasean | Can someone help me with this issue? Please?! - http://pastebin.com/7uZD8bpH ; http://pastebin.com/9HXpChN8 ; http://pastebin.com/YiBbY6Ar ; seems to be this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/360378 |
| 19:47.32 | b0nghitter | http://173.192.153.144/~bong/mrtg/localhost_3.html now i just need Total BW usage |
| 19:47.36 | fabzor3 | and play with the settings in there, you might want to try bridged or nat mode |
| 19:48.07 | MrWax | rss: i have done this |
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| 19:48.25 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: lilo |
| 19:49.00 | rss | MrWax: in your virtual box use bridged mode an slect the attached network card. the VM will then use the DHCP server on your lan. if you do not have a DHCP server you need to manully configure, but use the bridged mode! |
| 19:49.03 | cesurasean | lilo? |
| 19:49.23 | tdn | rss, how do I get firmware onto the ralink card? |
| 19:49.52 | twisted` | hmm I rm'd my auth.log and make a new one using touch |
| 19:49.56 | Kegeruneku | test |
| 19:50.01 | twisted` | but nothin is being written to it while it was being overflown before |
| 19:50.04 | Kegeruneku | hum jabber irc transport up :) |
| 19:50.15 | MrWax | rss: i did |
| 19:50.23 | rss | tdn: apt-get install firmware-ralink |
| 19:50.25 | tdn | rss, should I install this: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/firmware-ralink ? |
| 19:50.27 | tdn | rss, ok |
| 19:51.07 | tdn | rss, must enabled non-free |
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| 19:52.23 | tdn | rss, hmm.. I have enabled non-free, but I do not have this package available. |
| 19:52.23 | rss | MrWax: if the adapter is in brdged mode and you have a DHCP server then the card should work! Also select the actual network card you use. Let me start my virtualbox and I'll get back to you |
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| 19:53.05 | cesurasean | can someone help me with my problem? i have 3 servers who can't boot because of a busybox. |
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| 19:53.25 | tdn | How do I get access to non free packages? |
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| 19:53.41 | tdn | What to add in sources.list? |
| 19:53.42 | cesurasean | tdn, add the non-free repo line to you souces.list |
| 19:53.43 | jhutchins_lt | !tell cesurasean about non-free |
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| 19:54.02 | cesurasean | jhutchins_lt, why do i need to know about non-free? |
| 19:54.09 | cesurasean | tell! tdn about non-free |
| 19:54.10 | tdn | cesurasean, like this? http://paste.adora.dk/P1794.html |
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| 19:54.35 | tdn | !tell tdn about non-free |
| 19:54.37 | rss | MrWax: your virtualbox adapter should be configured for bridged mode and for the physical device you use on your linux box. in case that is at this time bridged eth1 ( eth1 is my wireless card) if were using a wired connector I would change that to eth0 |
| 19:54.46 | cesurasean | yes, the non-free goes at the end. |
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| 19:55.06 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: Sorry. |
| 19:55.41 | rss | tdn: yes non-freee needs to be enabled. edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add non-free at the end of your favourite mirror |
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| 19:55.56 | tdn | rss, already did that. |
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| 19:56.21 | rss | tdn: do not forget the space |
| 19:56.28 | themill | cesurasean: did you try rootdelay as the kernel suggested? |
| 19:56.55 | rss | tdn: apr-get update;apt-get install firmware-ralink |
| 19:56.58 | tdn | rss, rss ok. Now it works. |
| 19:57.31 | rss | tdn: do mean install or the wireless card? |
| 19:57.31 | tdn | Then how to I set the card up as AP? |
| 19:57.41 | tdn | rss, install of firmware-ralink |
| 19:57.43 | cesurasean | themill, i have tried rootdelay, ive tried setting /dev/md0, etc no success. |
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| 19:58.13 | rss | tdn: I have never tried to setup my card as an AP. |
| 19:58.38 | rss | tdn: get it working as a client first ;-) |
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| 19:58.42 | tdn | rss, ok. |
| 19:59.01 | themill | cesurasean: you never said what you changed to cause this problem |
| 19:59.04 | cesurasean | themill, i found this: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/ubuntu-initrd-bug.html ; but i don't have a working squeeze system in which i can find the initrd file from? |
| 19:59.12 | cesurasean | themill, all i did was upgrade my system. |
| 19:59.16 | jamon | someone with mysql-server-5.1 on squeeze have a moment to try something? |
| 19:59.20 | cesurasean | happened on 3 boxes after apt-get upgrade |
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| 19:59.29 | themill | cesurasean: from what to what? what packages? |
| 19:59.51 | Bushmills | from potato to sid? |
| 19:59.56 | cesurasean | I upgraded my entire system. I'm not sure which package this error comes from. It seems linux-base is what changes UID's on grub config |
| 20:00.05 | cesurasean | no. from squeeze to squeeze updated. |
| 20:00.06 | tdn | rss, so, how do I do that? wicd-curses just says no wireless avialbale. |
| 20:00.18 | rss | Bushmills: patato to sid? Shudder! |
| 20:00.27 | Bushmills | hehe |
| 20:01.03 | themill | cesurasean: linux-base should have done that a very long time ago. (I won't ask why you're running squeeze on servers or why you have 4 years worth of kernel packages installed) |
| 20:01.08 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: What about iwconfig? iwlist? |
| 20:01.13 | shanepardue | tdn: I wasn't able to pass the -i argument in sshfs so I wrote a script and an ssh_comment to pass the identity. Thanks for leading me that direction! |
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| 20:01.35 | rss | Bushmills: potato to sid that will Break. maybe from potato to stable will work. after that upgrade to sid should work. |
| 20:01.57 | cesurasean | themill, linux-base only did it this time. how do i fix this problem? |
| 20:02.01 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, http://paste.adora.dk/P1795.html <- This is from iwconfig wlan0 |
| 20:02.13 | tdn | shanepardue, you're welcome. |
| 20:02.16 | rss | Bushmills: maybe upgrade to oldstable first? |
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| 20:03.23 | azaghal | Anyone else experiencing trouble while trying latest testing build (NetInstall) during python-2.6-minimal configuration? |
| 20:03.27 | Bushmills | i thought anything-to-sid will result in a perpetually broken system :) |
| 20:03.36 | jhutchins_lt2 | That's interesting, spontaneous konversation crash. |
| 20:03.37 | themill | cesurasean: do you know what device your root actually is? |
| 20:03.58 | cesurasean | themill, im still able to boot an older kernel. so won't need a livecd. my raid array is /dev/md0 |
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| 20:04.28 | themill | if you can still boot the old kernel and the grub config lines are identical, then it's not the fault of linux-base |
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| 20:05.01 | cesurasean | themill, i shown you the grub.cfg |
| 20:05.09 | jhutchins_lt2 | cesurasean: So what's the problem? |
| 20:05.20 | cesurasean | it also mentions something about moduls. do you want me to paste a list of those? |
| 20:05.24 | themill | cesurasean: yes... and I've looked at them. |
| 20:05.26 | jhutchins_lt2 | You have a testing system, you found a problem, report it or confirm existing reports. |
| 20:05.50 | rss | Bushmills: sid works for me. as I said I'm running it for 8 years now with migratin from laptop to laptop including HD replacement for larger capacity. And different video driver in between. no real problems i.e. no unrecoverables |
| 20:05.52 | cesurasean | jhutchins_lt2, i need to find a way around this! |
| 20:05.58 | themill | cesurasean: you need to compare those modules to the ones that are in the initramfs for that kernel |
| 20:06.05 | jhutchins_lt2 | cesurasean: Boot to the old kernel. |
| 20:06.23 | cesurasean | jhutchins_lt2, what do i do after that? |
| 20:06.36 | jhutchins_lt2 | cesurasean: Whatever you usualy do with the system. |
| 20:06.47 | cesurasean | themill, where do i find the initramfs for that kernel at? can you point me? |
| 20:07.04 | cesurasean | jgutchins_lt2, you are saying there is no way to run newer kernels? |
| 20:07.05 | jhutchins_lt2 | cesurasean: Seriously? /boot? |
| 20:07.21 | cesurasean | what about /boot? |
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| 20:08.43 | cesurasean | 2.6.26 is the very LAST kernel which was able to work for me. |
| 20:08.57 | cesurasean | what has changed from 2.6.26 to the newer kernels in the means of detecting hard drives? |
| 20:09.38 | MrWax | rss: how can i do this? |
| 20:10.00 | themill | cesurasean: have you never rebooted the machine into the newer kernels prior to this? |
| 20:10.04 | MrWax | rss: i get no ethX when i do sudo ifconfig |
| 20:10.05 | cesurasean | i find it hard to believe that I'm the only one experiencing this issue on debian. no one else ran into this problem when updating linux-base?! |
| 20:10.12 | cesurasean | if so, why am i the only one running into this? |
| 20:10.14 | rss | MrWax: do what exactly? |
| 20:10.19 | cesurasean | on 3 different means |
| 20:10.22 | cesurasean | machines* |
| 20:10.25 | MrWax | rss: make eth0 visible |
| 20:11.03 | cesurasean | themill, i remember months back it didn't work either. so that's why i was running an older kernel, needed newer kernel to install udev, well just went ahead and made the install file so i could install udev on the older kernel |
| 20:11.17 | cesurasean | it still boots, so udev install didn't break anything, nor fix the newer kernels. |
| 20:11.17 | themill | cesurasean: so it's not a recent problem with linux-base at all ... it could be a problem with anything in the kernel or initramfs generation from lenny onwards? Your method of explaining problems to us really really sucks. |
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| 20:11.29 | rss | MrWax: start virtualbox on my machine from a terminal that is VirtualBox |
| 20:11.49 | rss | MrWax: Virtualbox should start |
| 20:12.00 | cesurasean | themill, i found this page : http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/ubuntu-initrd-bug.html - it seems to explain the problem. |
| 20:12.03 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: My guess would be that you did not successfully generate your new initramfs. I would check the documentation for that and try agian. |
| 20:12.11 | themill | cesurasean: it also explains how to fix it |
| 20:12.30 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: Also, you're relying too heavily on being told exactly what to do step-by-step in IRC instead of figuring things out from documentation. |
| 20:12.34 | rss | MrWax: select the VM you want and click on settings |
| 20:12.37 | cesurasean | can you point me in direction of generating a new initramfs? i think you might be right about that.......( though i shouldnt have had to do anything? ) |
| 20:12.57 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: I think you should try to find it for yourself. |
| 20:13.05 | rss | MrWax: in the dialog that appears select network |
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| 20:13.24 | infostar | hi from spain |
| 20:13.41 | MrWax | rss: ok |
| 20:14.01 | rss | MrWax: select adapter 1 tab and select bridged and your ethX interface |
| 20:14.12 | MrWax | rss: already done |
| 20:14.34 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: It's not that we don't want to help you, we want you to learn to help yourself (and maybe eventually others) |
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| 20:15.26 | rss | if you cannnot do that closing VirtualBox and going to a root terminal session and typing /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup might help |
| 20:15.34 | infostar | how to remove all interfaces config?? my system not detected eth0 but ifconfig -a return eth2 |
| 20:15.41 | cesurasean | is the initrd directory supposed to be empty? |
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| 20:15.52 | cesurasean | are those the files im missing? |
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| 20:16.50 | rss | MrWax: the instruction I gave you should compile the virtualbox driver for your system, install it and activate the daemon |
| 20:17.02 | cesurasean | so, i need to run a 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.18-3-686'? |
| 20:17.21 | themill | cesurasean: read that command very very carefully and think about what you are trying to achieve |
| 20:18.25 | cesurasean | themill, I know what dpkg-reconfigure does. i am just doubting that's going to fix anything. :) |
| 20:18.28 | rss | MrWax: does the following (as root) give an error /etc/init.d/vboxdrv restart |
| 20:18.55 | cesurasean | mdadm is throwing some warnings..... |
| 20:19.07 | MrWax | rss: it does not exist |
| 20:19.16 | MrWax | rss: /etc/init.d/vboxdrv |
| 20:19.18 | themill | cesurasean: it may well solve your problem (although you will probably need to change things in a config file first), but please read that command very very carefully and think about what you are trying to achieve |
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| 20:20.14 | rss | MrWax: what does not exist.? if you added the virtualbox repository to /etc/apt/source.list then is should! be there |
| 20:20.14 | cesurasean | http://pastebin.com/5zF0akG5 ; take a look and tell me if the mdadm message needs to be fixed? |
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| 20:20.23 | MrWax | rss: i guess i did not |
| 20:20.26 | MrWax | rss: how can i do this? |
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| 20:21.48 | cesurasean | AH! the problem is mdadm.conf!!! |
| 20:21.56 | jhutchins_lt | ... |
| 20:21.58 | cesurasean | the UID is wrong in that file. |
| 20:22.24 | cesurasean | jhutchins_lt, thx. can someone help me find out if this bug has already been reported. ( i suck at reporting anything i find ) |
| 20:22.51 | freaky[t] | hi all i get the following error when trying apt-get upgrade: http://paste.debian.net/93580/ |
| 20:22.56 | freaky[t] | can anyone help me? :) |
| 20:23.08 | rss | MrWax add the following to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian <debian version> non-free on my sid box i use "deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian squeeze non-free" |
| 20:23.19 | themill | cesurasean: interestingly, apt will have given you exactly the same message during upgrade, unless of course you broke the config file after the upgrade. |
| 20:23.26 | cesurasean | im guessing once i change this UID, i won't be able to boot the older kernel anymore because it doesn't support uid? |
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| 20:23.36 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: It seems to me that this was a configuration error, not a bug. |
| 20:23.44 | cesurasean | themill, i upgraded so many things i probably didn't see it..... |
| 20:23.58 | themill | worth paying attention then... |
| 20:24.03 | Bushmills | freaky[t], you could try to add teamspeak-server group, then try again |
| 20:24.20 | infostar | any people hel me please? |
| 20:24.26 | cesurasean | well, let me see if i can get it to boot. i might be wrong |
| 20:24.37 | freaky[t] | Bushmills works, thank you |
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| 20:25.45 | cesurasean | one more question. it shows the array like this: # definitions of existing MD arrays ARRAY /dev/md0 UUID=0389404f:8c408a1c:9de0b621:9935d2d7 - do i need to use :'s, or can i use -'s? |
| 20:26.04 | cesurasean | my new UID is: 49a875c5-7a8b-4491-b737-e4685f715661 |
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| 20:26.18 | cesurasean | does that seem like the problem i was having? |
| 20:27.36 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: are you discerning between MD raid device UUID and filesystem UUID? |
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| 20:28.32 | cesurasean | no, i ran "blkid" , and that gave the 2nd UID. |
| 20:28.38 | rss | MrWax: Which version of debian are you using? lenny (stable), squeeze (frozen), testing or sid (unstable)? |
| 20:28.44 | cesurasean | /dev/md0: UUID="49a875c5-7a8b-4491-b737-e4685f715661" TYPE="ext3" |
| 20:28.47 | MrWax | rss: lenny |
| 20:29.08 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: that is the filesystem UUID. Use /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf to generate a config file |
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| 20:29.14 | cesurasean | that's inside blkid, and this is inside mdadm: # definitions of existing MD arrays ARRAY /dev/md0 UUID=0389404f:8c408a1c:9de0b621:9935d2d7 |
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| 20:29.49 | cesurasean | jelly-hme, so those UIDs are correct? |
| 20:29.58 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: I have no idea. |
| 20:30.17 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: the one given by blkid definitely is not, however |
| 20:30.21 | rss | MrWax: then the apt sources should read deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtual/debian lenny non-free |
| 20:30.25 | themill | cesurasean: did you compare the output of /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf with your config? |
| 20:30.26 | cesurasean | you're saying when i run blkid, and /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf, that those numbers are different? |
| 20:30.37 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: TIAS |
| 20:30.44 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: (yes) |
| 20:30.59 | cesurasean | damn |
| 20:31.06 | cesurasean | you have any clue what my problem is, then? |
| 20:31.17 | jelly-hme | it could be a layer 8 issue |
| 20:31.20 | jelly-hme | hides |
| 20:31.31 | rss | tdn: you still there? how is it going? |
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| 20:32.41 | cesurasean | layer 8 issue? |
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| 20:33.27 | cesurasean | lol |
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| 20:33.54 | cesurasean | everyone ran off since no one can help me?! |
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| 20:35.44 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: I think you've been given enough clues you can figure it out yourself. |
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| 20:36.29 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: Trust your instincts. READ the error messages. Check them out. |
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| 20:40.39 | cesurasean | ok, i ran the command that mdadm said, changed that UID, and was still unable to boot. |
| 20:41.12 | cesurasean | when booting the older kernel, userquota pops an error similar to finding ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/49a875c5-7a8b-4491-b737-e4685f715661 does not exist. |
| 20:42.00 | rss | cesurasean: are you using grub? |
| 20:42.20 | cesurasean | when i surf to /dev/disk/by-uuid, there is a symlink for 49a875c5-7a8b-4491-b737-e4685f715661 pointing to /dev/md0 |
| 20:42.29 | cesurasean | rss, yes, grub. |
| 20:43.03 | rss | cesurasean: you should be able to edit the grub commandline |
| 20:43.21 | cesurasean | what am i going to edit? |
| 20:43.32 | rss | cesurasean: check labels or /dev/sda* entries and edit |
| 20:43.54 | rss | oops sd* |
| 20:44.14 | cesurasean | huh? |
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| 20:44.33 | cesurasean | can you please elaborate? |
| 20:44.34 | rss | in grub you can edit the boot prompt |
| 20:44.57 | cesurasean | what should i edit to? i know how to edit grub prompt. |
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| 20:45.22 | rss | that means you can say to grub boot from /dev/md0 instead of /dev/<gobbeldygook> |
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| 20:45.47 | rss | try /dev/md0 |
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| 20:46.58 | cesurasean | rss, did you even take a look at my grub conf? |
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| 20:47.11 | rss | what is grub trying to boot from? /dev/mdo or /dev/<uuid? |
| 20:47.37 | cesurasean | ! - http://pastebin.com/7uZD8bpH ; http://pastebin.com/9HXpChN8 ; http://pastebin.com/YiBbY6Ar ; |
| 20:47.46 | rss | cesurian: no how do I do that i'm new to irc |
| 20:48.00 | cesurasean | rss, take a look at those links |
| 20:48.13 | rss | OK will do |
| 20:49.14 | cesurasean | when i look at initramfs.conf; i see: DEVICE= |
| 20:49.18 | cesurasean | should that be blank? |
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| 20:51.33 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: what's the actual problem you're having? |
| 20:54.21 | cesurasean | jelly-hme, http://pastebin.com/YiBbY6Ar |
| 20:55.10 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: please describe the issue with words |
| 20:55.36 | jelly-hme | you did what... to arrive at what? |
| 20:55.49 | cesurasean | upgraded my system, to arrive a broken one |
| 20:56.13 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: upgraded from what to what? in what way is it broken? |
| 20:56.34 | cesurasean | have you seen the error message? |
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| 20:56.49 | cesurasean | im not sure what packages were upgraded. sorry. |
| 20:57.08 | rss | cesurian: try modifying root parameter /dev/md0p? |
| 20:57.12 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: I'm not even going to look at more pastes until you explain what you were doing, and at least which debian release and architecture you're using |
| 20:57.31 | rss | whare ? is the partition number off your root |
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| 20:58.26 | rss | normally root would be on /deb/sda1 so that would mean /dev/mdo0p1 |
| 20:58.29 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: forcing volunteers to look at numerous pastebins without any explanation isn't too enticing |
| 20:59.17 | jelly-hme | in other words, help me help you |
| 20:59.36 | cesurasean | also, i am getting this error when booting the older kernel: Tue Oct 5 15:53:32 2010: Turning on quotas...quotaon: cannot find //aquota.group on /dev/disk/by-uuid/49a875c5-7a8b-4491-b737-e4685f715661 [/] |
| 21:00.08 | cesurasean | the problem seems that "file" is missing. when i surf to that directory, there is a symlink pointing to /dev/md0 |
| 21:00.32 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: so you have a way to boot that system? |
| 21:00.41 | rss | cesurian: It looks like you r nwe kernel dows not recognise the new uuid device numbers |
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| 21:02.11 | rss | cesurian: what did your old /etc/fstab say for root device |
| 21:02.15 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: if you do, pastebin the outputs of "cat /etc/fstab", "cat /proc/mdstat", "/usr/share/mdadm/mkconf", "cat /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf", "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" for starters |
| 21:02.53 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: also, "blkid" and "cat /proc/mounts" |
| 21:04.02 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: the missing group quota issue is a different and less relevant issue |
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| 21:05.32 | rss | jelly-hme: I agree. It looks like the root device is not found. |
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| 21:06.30 | cesurasean | fstab - http://pastebin.com/0jeGHNDG ; cat /proc/mdstat- http://pastebin.com/N4D8K60e ; /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf - http://pastebin.com/gHwR9QA0 ; cat /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf - http://pastebin.com/66AzTyPd ; cat /etc/apt/sources.list - http://pastebin.com/Z6Bu8mYr |
| 21:06.41 | cesurasean | rss, there ya go! |
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| 21:07.35 | cesurasean | ubuntu users said i have an fstab uid problem |
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| 21:09.13 | helo | cesurasean: are you running ubuntu or debian? |
| 21:09.18 | tharkun | cesurasean: If you are using debian why were you asking on ubuntu? The same aplies the other way around ? |
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| 21:09.34 | cesurasean | debian squeeze |
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| 21:09.42 | istevenmon | hi guys how can preserve vrrp configuration on reboot |
| 21:10.03 | cesurasean | does my /etc/fstab HAVE to have my /dev/md0 UID in it?? |
| 21:10.25 | rss | cesurian: yes is should! |
| 21:10.54 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: there's no need for that, a device is good enough |
| 21:11.32 | cesurasean | jelly-hme, what seems to be the problem then? why am i getting that already message? |
| 21:11.41 | rss | jelly-hme: Correct except if ... the device driver is using uuid an its not there |
| 21:11.59 | jelly-hme | rss: what device driver? |
| 21:12.33 | cesurasean | how do i add UID to fstab? |
| 21:12.59 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: ignore that line of thought for the moment; /dev/md0 is good enough to put in fstab |
| 21:13.45 | cesurasean | jelly-hme, what can i change to get this working then? |
| 21:14.04 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: what about blkid and /proc/mounts? |
| 21:15.00 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: there're two possible causes that come to mind -- first is, /dev/md0 somehow doesn't get created at initramfs time; second is, the boot loader tells the kernel wrong root device |
| 21:15.23 | cesurasean | jelly-hme, http://pastebin.com/v9PJZfHe |
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| 21:16.04 | jelly-hme | and blkid? |
| 21:16.37 | cesurasean | http://pastebin.com/d00MvZGY |
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| 21:16.58 | jelly-hme | the second option is less likely, since the same boot loader seems to pass the correct filesystem to the old kernel |
| 21:17.01 | Weisser | Hi, can someone help me out with a texlive problem? |
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| 21:17.41 | dondelelcaro | Weisser: best to just ask your question |
| 21:18.02 | cesurasean | jelly-hme, do you see the problem yet? |
| 21:18.10 | cesurasean | <bashes head against keyboard> |
| 21:18.13 | MrWax | rss: and then? |
| 21:18.17 | MrWax | rss: i have no internet access |
| 21:18.28 | rss | jelly-hme: your last comment is what I meant. The kernel boots initramfs is found, but root cannot be found. looking at grub.cfg root us mounting ad /dev/diskby id instead of /dev/md0. Agree? |
| 21:18.32 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: like I said, /dev/md0 probably doesn't get created at initramfs time |
| 21:18.51 | Weisser | Ok, so i am on testing debian, installed texlive, texlive-lang-polish |
| 21:18.53 | nsadmin | MrWax: you're here... you seem to have access now... |
| 21:18.56 | cesurasean | jelly-hme, how do i fix that, then? |
| 21:19.17 | MrWax | nsadmin: not on the debian virtual machine |
| 21:19.18 | Weisser | when i try to process a correct .tex file that has /usepackage{qtimes}, it says i lack this file |
| 21:19.20 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: the instructions for mdadm utility to create it are stored in mdadm.conf. You told mdadm to only look for MD member devices in /dev/hda1 and /dev/hdc1 |
| 21:19.21 | Weisser | qtimes.sty |
| 21:19.35 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: this does not seem correct. |
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| 21:19.48 | nsadmin | what;s the host os? |
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| 21:20.23 | cesurasean | where did i tell mdadm to only look for devices in /dev/hda1 and /dev/hdc1? |
| 21:20.29 | cesurasean | what should the line read? |
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| 21:20.40 | rss | MrWax: I where are you at in my description? I have not seen a reaction from for 7mikes |
| 21:21.00 | acu_ | marius07_, |
| 21:21.34 | Weisser | Ok, so i am on testing debian, installed texlive, texlive-lang-polish. When i try to process with latex a correct .tex file that has /usepackage{qtimes}, it says i lack this file - qtimes.sty. What do? |
| 21:21.39 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: I would use the default value for DEVICE. |
| 21:21.43 | jelly-hme | # by default, scan all partitions (/proc/partitions) for MD superblocks. |
| 21:21.43 | jelly-hme | # alternatively, specify devices to scan, using wildcards if desired. |
| 21:21.43 | jelly-hme | DEVICE partitions |
| 21:22.02 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: that ^^ |
| 21:22.06 | Weisser | Or perhaps is there some more specific channel where i could ask this question? Tough i got an impression that this is a bug prevailent only in debian testing. |
| 21:22.07 | cesurasean | what is the default value? i don't have it scanning anything. |
| 21:22.12 | nsadmin | -now- the bot doesn't kick for floods? :P |
| 21:22.24 | jelly-hme | sees no floods |
| 21:22.24 | cesurasean | jelly-hme, so the line should read 'DEVICE partitions'? |
| 21:22.40 | cesurasean | DEVICE /dev/md0? |
| 21:22.42 | cesurasean | or what? |
| 21:22.53 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: what I just pasted. |
| 21:23.00 | rss | MrWax: you have inet access we are talking |
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| 21:24.34 | rss | MrWax: does your /etc/apt/sources.list contain the virtualbox entry? |
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| 21:25.39 | cesurasean | jelly-hme, same problem. that doesn't work. |
| 21:26.04 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: did you rebuild the initramfs images for the new kernel after changing that? |
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| 21:26.17 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 21:26.29 | lenswipe | im thinking of setting up LDAP authentication for debian |
| 21:26.32 | lenswipe | how do i go about that? |
| 21:27.06 | Weisser | sriously, if noone helps me i will shoot this little kitten right here |
| 21:27.19 | cesurasean | no, let me rebuild that and see if it works |
| 21:27.30 | lenswipe | anyone? |
| 21:27.38 | lenswipe | Weisser, ill help |
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| 21:27.51 | rss | Weisser: You do realise that we are now in frozen? |
| 21:27.55 | Weisser | ? |
| 21:27.55 | lenswipe | Weisser, asin ill help shoot the kitten, not help with your problem |
| 21:27.57 | cybor0 | hello some help with fglrx |
| 21:28.21 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: in addition, when you're in grub, go to its command line and check if it recognizes and shows a (md0) device, using its ls command |
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| 21:28.46 | Weisser | oh, well |
| 21:28.56 | Weisser | does it matter in my case? |
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| 21:29.12 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: also, get rid for those "quiet" boot parameters in your grub.cfg |
| 21:29.36 | Weisser | rss how does it affect my problem? |
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| 21:30.39 | fabzor3 | cybor0: what do you need help with? |
| 21:31.02 | cybor0 | have error wile build modul for kernel 2.6.32 |
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| 21:31.39 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: also2, what does your /etc/default/grub look like |
| 21:31.42 | fabzor3 | i didnt have any luck with debian so i wentcrying to archlinux as usual |
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| 21:32.08 | cesurasean | yes, i ran ls, and it seems fine. shows md0, hd0, etc |
| 21:32.11 | jelly-hme | fabzor3: use whatever works for you |
| 21:32.29 | vy | What should I blame for the damn slow refresh rates while scrolling a page in a browser or pdf viewer? |
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| 21:33.56 | cybor0 | fabzor3 http://pastebin.com/BL4CyT1a |
| 21:34.15 | cybor0 | some help with fglrx and kernel 2.6.32 http://pastebin.com/BL4CyT1a |
| 21:34.16 | cesurasean | http://pastebin.com/ZvzgNcma |
| 21:34.19 | MrWax | rss: no |
| 21:34.23 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: also3, pastebin the debconf settings for mdadm package: debconf-get-selections|grep mdadm |
| 21:34.23 | cesurasean | jelly-hme, there is my grub in default |
| 21:34.26 | MrWax | rss: but it doesnt matter since this is the whole point |
| 21:34.34 | MrWax | i cannot have a network card |
| 21:34.50 | MrWax | Anyone ever imported a debian .VDI image to another system?? |
| 21:34.58 | cesurasean | server2:~# ^C |
| 21:35.03 | MrWax | If yes, how did you get networki workingg? |
| 21:35.11 | cesurasean | -bash: debconf-get-selections: command not found |
| 21:35.23 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: you have to be root |
| 21:35.31 | cesurasean | i am root |
| 21:35.34 | rss | Weisser possibly. Testing is usaully a distributin that follows sid (unstable). However when a freeze is anounced, no updates from unstable flow into frozen. My question is are you following a named distro i.e. lenny squeeze sid or stabel, frozen, testing, unstable. if the latter then following squeeze (currently frozen). |
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| 21:35.52 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: is debconf package installed? |
| 21:36.00 | cesurasean | no |
| 21:36.12 | Weisser | Yep, i follow squeeze |
| 21:36.20 | cesurasean | yes, it is |
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| 21:36.35 | Weisser | What does it mean in the case i need help with? |
| 21:36.52 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: is there a /usr/bin/debconf-get-selections executable file present on your system? |
| 21:37.04 | cesurasean | <-- reconfiguring initramfs, gonna see if that works |
| 21:37.25 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: don't do that yet. |
| 21:37.30 | cesurasean | /usr/bin/debconf-get-selections ; no such file |
| 21:37.36 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: reinstall debconf. |
| 21:37.49 | jelly-hme | do that first. |
| 21:37.51 | cybor0 | some help with this http://pastebin.com/BL4CyT1a |
| 21:38.00 | rss | Weisser: squeeze is no frozen. no new updates will flow from sid or testing. |
| 21:38.20 | cesurasean | i just did. still doesn't exist. |
| 21:38.36 | jelly-hme | rss: dude, a) squeeze IS testing, and b) updates do go in, just not automatically |
| 21:38.43 | nsadmin | cybor0, ask a specific and informative question |
| 21:39.11 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: dpkg -l debconf |tail -1 |
| 21:39.14 | Weisser | rss, jelly-hme either way i don't see how this can cause lack of this certain file |
| 21:39.15 | cesurasean | I don't think squeeze should be launched until this issue i'm having is solved. :) |
| 21:39.22 | cesurasean | otherwise there will be a lot of pissed off people |
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| 21:39.39 | cesurasean | server2:~# dpkg -l debconf |tail -1 |
| 21:39.39 | cesurasean | ii debconf 1.5.35 Debian configuration management system |
| 21:39.45 | cybor0 | i have some problem with installin fglrx-modules-dkms and here is a make.log error http://pastebin.com/BL4CyT1a |
| 21:40.05 | MrWax | Anyone ever imported a debian .VDI image to another system?? |
| 21:40.38 | rss | jelly-hme: OK, point is no longer automatic updates. package breaks needs to be fixed in frozenm not from fix is sid that has aged enough. |
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| 21:41.16 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: ah, my bad; that's in debconf-utils. get "debconf-show mdadm" instead, please |
| 21:41.36 | marius07_ | who to enable virtualization in intel acer whatever |
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| 21:42.20 | naphex | Weisser: package tex-gyre seems to contain qtimes.sty |
| 21:42.20 | infostar | how to remove all interfaces configuration in squezee ?? |
| 21:42.36 | cesurasean | jelly-hme, http://pastebin.com/jibXDyv1 |
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| 21:42.43 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: you might have accidentally told mdadm not to initialize md0 at boot (mdadm/initrdstart value) |
| 21:42.57 | jelly-hme | let's take a look |
| 21:43.08 | Weisser | naphex, thank you i'll try it. I had IT lecture on LaTeX but the instructions for installing it on debian-like systems assumed tetex, which is discontinued, right? |
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| 21:43.29 | naphex | Weisser: no idea, sorry. |
| 21:43.32 | rss | infostar: rm /etc/network/interfaces (I would not do this though) |
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| 21:43.51 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: seems fine |
| 21:44.10 | Weisser | well, either way i will check tex-gyre to see if it puts this file were texlive searches for it |
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| 21:44.58 | babilen | infostar: What are you trying to achieve? |
| 21:45.01 | cesurasean | jelly-hme, doesn't seem like we are getting anywhere. |
| 21:45.30 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: clean quiet and enable text mode in /etc/defaults/grub, run update-grub, verify your mdadm.conf now contains "DEVICE partitions", update initramfs and try rebooting; it probably won't boot 2.6.32 yet |
| 21:45.43 | jelly-hme | but the kernel will be a bit more verbose |
| 21:46.00 | MrWax | how can I mount a cdrom drive in debian ? |
| 21:46.14 | cesurasean | clean quiet and enable text mode in /etc/defaults/grub; how do i do that? |
| 21:46.21 | infostar | my system no detect eth0 i have remove /etc/udev/rules.d/persistent-net-rules |
| 21:46.25 | cesurasean | my mdadm just has device partitions |
| 21:46.30 | streuner | MrWax: mount /dev/sr(x) /cdrom? |
| 21:46.34 | themill | Weisser: next time you're looking for a latex package, you might find apt-file helpful. /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 21:47.12 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: I wrote it somewhere above. delete the word quiet, and uncomment the relevant config setting to disable graphics in grub |
| 21:47.13 | streuner | MrWax: you need to know which sr(x) it is, just use "tail -f /var/log/messages when you insert the CDROM itself |
| 21:47.39 | babilen | infostar: Shouldn't that be /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules ? |
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| 21:48.33 | babilen | infostar: Has it ever detected your NIC? Is it just renamed? (e.g. eth4 instead of eth0 that you want) |
| 21:48.37 | rss | MrWax: as root: mount -t is09660 /dev/<cdromdevice> /mnt where <cdromdevice> is possible /dev/sr0, /dev/hdb or /cdrom |
| 21:48.54 | cesurasean | done, rebooting now.... |
| 21:48.59 | Weisser | themill, thank you |
| 21:49.08 | MrWax | thanks |
| 21:49.44 | streuner | rss: are you an echo? |
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| 21:51.10 | cesurasean | jelly-hme, i see "failure to assemble all arrays" |
| 21:51.22 | cesurasean | after that, it's still waiting on the filesystem |
| 21:51.31 | jelly-hme | see, that's useful |
| 21:51.32 | nsadmin | ,file qtimes.sty squeeze |
| 21:51.35 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 21:51.43 | nsadmin | ,file qtimes.sty |
| 21:51.47 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 21:51.54 | streuner | dpkg, find qtimes.sty |
| 21:52.27 | themill | nsadmin: you're chasing a question that was solved 10 minutes ago... and you need --release squeeze. |
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| 21:52.54 | nsadmin | what was the solution? |
| 21:52.59 | streuner | amset:/home# apt-file search qtimes.sty |
| 21:53.00 | streuner | tex-gyre: /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/tex-gyre/qtimes.sty |
| 21:53.09 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'qtimes.sty' (1): (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/tex-gyre/qtimes.sty) in tex/tex-gyre. |
| 21:53.10 | rss | streuner: not aware that i'm an echo. maybe lag is a problem. if so i apologise |
| 21:53.23 | infostar | babilen my problem: |
| 21:53.27 | infostar | lspci|grep Ethernet |
| 21:53.27 | infostar | 00:03.0 Ethernet controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] 79c970 [PCnet32 LANCE] (rev 40) |
| 21:53.27 | infostar | ifconfig -a |
| 21:53.28 | infostar | eth2 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 08:00:27:ae:f8:d7 |
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| 21:53.31 | jelly-hme | dpkg: you're slow |
| 21:53.31 | dpkg | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!1! |
| 21:53.37 | themill | nsadmin: [22:42] <naphex> Weisser: package tex-gyre seems to contain qtimes.sty |
| 21:53.40 | streuner | jelly: tell news |
| 21:53.42 | rss | besides is is 23:40 so time to sign off and go to bed |
| 21:53.46 | rss | regards |
| 21:54.02 | themill | (that's why we have judd to do these things faster) |
| 21:54.24 | cesurasean | jelly-hme, how is that useful? how do i fix this? |
| 21:54.45 | marius07_ | i want to install gemu-kvm and run virtual machine on Debian GNU/Linux Squeeze(6.0)- howwever i cannot find in my BIOS the choice to enable VIRTUALIZACION - I have Acer aspire. intel intel core 2 duo. BIOS phoenix 6.00 PG |
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| 21:56.16 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: it's useful in that it shows that kernel/initramfs really has setting up md devices, and not, say, hunting for the fs with the correct uuid. At this point I'd try inspecting the contents of initramfs image to see what mdadm.conf really contains in there. |
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| 21:56.29 | babilen | !tell infostar -about paste |
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| 21:57.36 | nsadmin | infostar, even better, keep a file with all info about the problem; start with the question you have and update every time you learn something new |
| 21:57.37 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: last time I had to do that, it turned out update-initramfs and the hooks form mdadm packages didn't use my local /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf settings at all, but generated (a broken) one from the scratch every time |
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| 21:58.12 | robin_sz | so ... why is MySQL-workbench such a rare beast to install on Debian? |
| 21:58.36 | tolecnal | hmmm, I'm having some issues with a network share on a Windows server mounted on a Debian server. it's mounted via mount.cifs, but when a file is moved, Debian tries to preserve the times and permissions for the file. even if I try and mount with both noatime and norelatime (options that does not turn up when doing 'cat /proc/mounts'), it still fails |
| 21:58.41 | tolecnal | any suggestions? |
| 21:58.44 | jelly-hme | robin_sz: is it a non-free piece of software? |
| 21:58.59 | robin_sz | jelly, its gpl ... |
| 21:59.10 | jelly-hme | robin_sz: is it packaged in Debian? |
| 21:59.21 | robin_sz | not as far as I can tell |
| 21:59.26 | jelly-hme | robin_sz: that's probably why |
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| 21:59.39 | themill | there was an ITP for it a while back, I thought |
| 21:59.46 | robin_sz | ITP? |
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| 22:00.06 | cesurasean | jelly-hme, so, how did you end up fixing the problem? |
| 22:00.07 | jelly-hme | intent to package, someone kinda-sorta promises they might package it |
| 22:00.14 | themill | !dbugs 408315 |
| 22:00.14 | robin_sz | sigh |
| 22:00.18 | dpkg | DONE:#408315:W[wnpp] ITP: mysql-workbench -- Official MySQL database schema designer / editor (); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:48:09 UTC [] |
| 22:00.33 | jelly-hme | , versions mysql-workbench |
| 22:00.36 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'mysql-workbench' was found in i386. |
| 22:00.39 | LV-426 | marius07_, what does dmidecode | egrep -i virt say ? |
| 22:00.48 | jelly-hme | themill: done? |
| 22:01.01 | nsadmin | view the report |
| 22:01.03 | themill | robin_sz: the volunteer who original said they'd do it lost interest it seems. Are you keen to take up that work? |
| 22:01.16 | babilen | infostar: Please don't /msg me -- There are plenty of people around here that might have a good idea as well. Paste your /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, your ifconfig -a output and ask a good question. |
| 22:01.16 | themill | jelly-hme: blame damog |
| 22:01.27 | jelly-hme | !blame damog |
| 22:01.27 | dpkg | blames ix and damog for the end of the Internet as we know it |
| 22:01.44 | robin_sz | if I knew how, I would, but I fear its outside my level of competence |
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| 22:02.02 | themill | it would have been nice if it had been s/ITP/RFP/ on the bug prior to closing it, but hey. |
| 22:02.15 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: hacking up some initramfs scripts from mdadm package, IIRC |
| 22:02.40 | cesurasean | huh? |
| 22:02.48 | robin_sz | theres a .deb for Ubuntu <yes, I know> 9.1 but it requires newer stuff than even backports has for debian |
| 22:02.53 | cesurasean | how can you advise me to fix this problem? i need my systems up! |
| 22:03.23 | streuner | dpkg, tell robin_sz about bobbitt |
| 22:03.40 | nsadmin | cesurasean: you may need a paid consultant if that's the case |
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| 22:04.14 | cesurasean | jelly-hme, how come i am the only one who seems to have ran into this problem? |
| 22:04.26 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: changelog for the current version of mdadm package in testing suggests that issue is fixed, tho |
| 22:04.46 | robin_sz | streuner, yes yes, this we know .. but its either get it working on here or use ... <hangs head> windows |
| 22:05.05 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: advise? I'd advise using stable. |
| 22:05.24 | jelly-hme | for production machines, at least |
| 22:05.58 | cesurasean | instead of saying you did some 'hacking'. what did you do to fix such a problem? |
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| 22:06.08 | robin_sz | had to fight with lenny on amazon EC2 last week |
| 22:06.20 | cesurasean | it looks like we've checked EVERY config on my system, and still can't fix this. |
| 22:06.21 | streuner | EC2? |
| 22:06.28 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: debuged and edited the initramfs mdadm hooks |
| 22:06.36 | robin_sz | streuner, the amazon cloud service |
| 22:06.36 | themill | streuner: giyf |
| 22:06.46 | cesurasean | where are those hooks located? |
| 22:06.57 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: in the mdadm package |
| 22:07.18 | cesurasean | is there not a way to view my intrdramfs files? |
| 22:07.44 | robin_sz | in the end it turned out to be a random package that was compiled not to use ldconfig .. what a mess that made |
| 22:07.59 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: I suggested a while ago you do that and verify the contents of initramfs, esp. the copy of mdadm.conf, is sane |
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| 22:08.21 | cesurasean | jelly-hme, how do i examine that? |
| 22:08.36 | cesurasean | like, where is that located? |
| 22:08.48 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: /boot/initrd.img-* |
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| 22:09.06 | themill | cesurasean: didn't you ask that 2h ago and get told /boot? |
| 22:09.17 | babilen | infostar: ping |
| 22:09.57 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: grub.cfg tells you where the initramfs image used at boot is; update-initramfs tells you where it writes it |
| 22:10.49 | cesurasean | and, so i can just view it with my sftp client? i wasn't sure i could read those files... |
| 22:10.55 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: file will tell you it's a gzipped cpio archive. |
| 22:11.01 | robin_sz | coo, squeeze frozen .. maybe its time to give the laptop an update from lenny? |
| 22:11.05 | jelly-hme | it's just a file. |
| 22:11.14 | jelly-hme | even the kernel is just a file |
| 22:11.33 | robin_sz | lets face it *everything* is a file |
| 22:11.37 | jelly-hme | !extract cpio |
| 22:11.37 | dpkg | extract cpio is, like, cpio -i < foo.cpio |
| 22:11.49 | jelly-hme | dpkg: botsnack |
| 22:11.49 | dpkg | jelly-hme: aw, gee |
| 22:12.25 | cesurasean | jelly-hme, so i have to unzip it? |
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| 22:13.29 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: if you use "unzip" as a generic term for decompression and unarchiving, yes |
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| 22:13.52 | cesurasean | jelly-hme, i tried unzip initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686; no success. |
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| 22:14.07 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: it's not a zip archive. |
| 22:14.13 | robin_sz | jelly-hme, you ever get that "banging head agaisnt wall" feeling? |
| 22:14.21 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: mkdir temp; zcat /boot/initrd.img-blahblah|cpio -i; |
| 22:14.25 | jelly-hme | cesurasean: you're an idiot, and I'm too sleepy to help you further, sorry |
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| 22:14.40 | jelly-hme | good luck with your system, fwiw |
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| 22:14.58 | compaq | Hi, I wanted to look at the image files for web pages I have visited in the last few hours, where can I find them? |
| 22:15.00 | cesurasean | some help you were... |
| 22:15.11 | compaq | pages I visited using firefox |
| 22:15.13 | cesurasean | what a waste of time |
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| 22:15.27 | jelly-hme | I agree with that assessment |
| 22:15.32 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: but anyway, you still haven't given us a precise statement about what exactly the problem is, how your system is set up, etc. |
| 22:15.32 | trigger | Hi, could anybody tell me how to get gdm to listen on ipv4 for xdmcp? I'm using debian testing. |
| 22:15.32 | compaq | cesurasean, its free support |
| 22:16.07 | themill | cesurasean: jelly-hme spent close to three hours trying to help you and spent most of that time just getting you to do the simplest things...like read an error message properly. |
| 22:16.08 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: if you don't explain in as much detail as possible, it's too frustrating for us to bother helping you. |
| 22:16.16 | mjmt | compaq: about:cache |
| 22:16.40 | compaq | mjmt |
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| 22:17.11 | robin_sz | grins |
| 22:17.24 | mjmt | waits. |
| 22:17.26 | robin_sz | now this is the way helpdesks SHOULD be run :)) |
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| 22:18.03 | jelly-hme | dondelelcaro: his squeeze i386 system with md0 (/dev/hd[ab]1 members) doesn't boot with 2.6.32-5-* but boots with 2.6.26 kernel; the initramfs from squeeze seems not to be able to create the sole md device |
| 22:18.33 | dondelelcaro | jelly-hme: yeah; he's been asking about the same problem for a while |
| 22:18.52 | dondelelcaro | jelly-hme: I still don't know precisely what device /boot is and what device /root is, either. |
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| 22:20.25 | jelly-hme | dondelelcaro: no separate /boot; only / = /dev/md0 |
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| 22:20.44 | dondelelcaro | jelly-hme: huh; then the configuration that I saw last was just wrong. Is this a raid1 or raid0? |
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| 22:21.26 | dondelelcaro | it was using UUID, which is wrong when you're dealing with raid devices; you don't need to do that |
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| 22:23.09 | cesurasean | raid 1 |
| 22:23.27 | cesurasean | dondelelcaro, which config is wrong? |
| 22:23.50 | lastboss | for a server running squid, samba, sabnzbd, cups and ps3 media server would you pick lenny or squeeze. I'm sick of my current unstable and badly maintained distro |
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| 22:24.18 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: if your root device is a raid device, then the root= option should just be root=/dev/md0 or similar. |
| 22:24.31 | dondelelcaro | lastboss: if it's in production, lenny. |
| 22:24.39 | cesurasean | dondelelcaro, i have already tried changing that. still doesn't boot up. |
| 22:24.49 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: so? that's the first thing to fix. |
| 22:24.52 | jelly-hme | blkid http://pastebin.com/d00MvZGY fstab http://pastebin.com/d00MvZGY (not relevant, but weird multiple entries for swap) mdadm.conf http://pastebin.com/66AzTyPd mdadm/mkconf re-run seems to match, http://pastebin.com/gHwR9QA0 /proc/mounts on 2.6.26 http://pastebin.com/v9PJZfHe |
| 22:25.17 | dondelelcaro | wtf is it /dev/hdc? |
| 22:25.48 | dondelelcaro | and it shouldn't list the partitions anyway |
| 22:25.51 | jelly-hme | dondelelcaro: was replaced that with DEVICE partitions in the process |
| 22:26.08 | jelly-hme | sentence broken, hurr |
| 22:26.24 | lastboss | it's just a file, print and media server for my home network, nothing critical really. but I'll go with lenny and if there's some packages i need which are not in lenny then I'll change to squeeze in sources.list |
| 22:26.29 | dondelelcaro | and why the hell is the num-devices 1 instead of 2? |
| 22:26.43 | cesurasean | because, i don't have 2 spares? |
| 22:26.46 | dondelelcaro | lastboss: or you can use backports. But yes, best to runn lenny |
| 22:26.55 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: if it's raid1, you have two devices, and no spares. |
| 22:26.57 | jelly-hme | hah, never noticed that |
| 22:27.44 | cesurasean | could that be the issue? |
| 22:27.50 | cesurasean | i just changed it to 2 devices |
| 22:28.20 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: first off, since this raid looks like of old, rebuild the superblocks once you've managed to boot the thing with an old kernel. |
| 22:28.55 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: can you boot at all? |
| 22:29.01 | jelly-hme | dondelelcaro: he's able to boot 2.6.26 apparently |
| 22:29.03 | cesurasean | yes, old kernel |
| 22:29.09 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: boot off of 2.6.26 |
| 22:29.12 | cesurasean | 2.6.26 |
| 22:29.54 | cesurasean | ok, im booted |
| 22:30.01 | pickcoder | your raid partitions do not match your blkid list |
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| 22:30.08 | marius07_ | i what to run gemu - kvm and virt-manager . I need to enable virtualizacion in the bios. I have an Acer Aspire T671 - PBZ with Phoenix Bios - but i cannot find the opcion to enable the virtualizacion for Intel core 2 Duo - can anyone give me a hint what to do ? |
| 22:30.18 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: run /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf; and report the output. |
| 22:30.35 | pickcoder | you don't even need to list them. all you need is "DEVICE partitions" |
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| 22:31.16 | cesurasean | http://pastebin.com/fXkTdnnS |
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| 22:34.03 | marius07_ | i want to run gemu - kvm and virt-manager . I need to enable virtualizacion in the bios. I have an Acer Aspire T671 - PBZ with Phoenix Bios - but i cannot find the opcion to enable the virtualization for Intel core 2 Duo - can anyone give me a hint what to do ? |
| 22:35.00 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: and the output of mdadm -D /dev/md0 ? |
| 22:36.22 | cesurasean | http://pastebin.com/MeuHAzaf |
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| 22:42.49 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: replace your existing mdadm.conf with the one that mkconf output, then rebuild the initrd, then try booting again. If it fails, boot of of .26, and give us the contents of etc and conf. |
| 22:44.44 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: find etc conf -type f -exec 'sh' '-c' 'a="{}"; echo $a; cat $a;' ';'; will give you the output I want to see. |
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| 22:45.24 | omakase | anything I can do bout this? |
| 22:45.27 | MrJK | hi, can I have some support to make my debian as a gateway? I'm in trouble ... |
| 22:45.29 | omakase | $ sudo dpkg -i northscale_server_1.0.3_x86.deb |
| 22:45.29 | omakase | (Reading database ... 24845 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 22:45.30 | omakase | Unpacking northscale-server (from northscale_server_1.0.3_x86.deb) ... |
| 22:45.30 | omakase | groupadd: invalid option -- r |
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| 22:45.50 | MrJK | That's a really basic config, but I don't understand why it doesn't work |
| 22:46.20 | themill | dpkg: tell omakase about paste |
| 22:46.39 | MrJK | pc <--OpenVpn--> Sever ( Lenny @RPS-OVH) <----> Internet |
| 22:47.00 | MrJK | ipforward is activated |
| 22:47.06 | MrJK | but, when I do: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -s 10.10.0.1/24 -j MASQUERADE |
| 22:47.24 | MrJK | that does not change the output of iptables -L |
| 22:47.31 | MrJK | And, I don't understand why :s |
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| 22:48.25 | pickcoder | you need to look at the 'nat' table |
| 22:48.30 | pickcoder | iptables --list -t nat |
| 22:49.12 | MrWax | Anyone? I am trying for hours to configure my network card on my debian virtualbox imported system.. some how, I cannot get it up |
| 22:49.15 | MrWax | it gets no ip with dhcpdiscover for example |
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| 22:50.27 | cesurasean | dondelelcaro, sorry i was away. let me do what you asked real quick. give me a few mins... |
| 22:50.45 | MrJK | pickcoder: ha, ok, I see two lines |
| 22:51.04 | MrJK | so this command works.... So where is the problem |
| 22:51.06 | MrJK | :s |
| 22:51.15 | LinuxGuy2009 | I'm really in need of some kind of direction on the commands and steps used to create a DVD repository disk that is much like the official repository set. I used debmirror to download all of lenny-backports i386 and really want to turn the files into a pair of repo DVDs that have the same layout as the official disks do, so that they are reliable. Is there a paper somewhere explaining the steps? |
| 22:51.35 | MrJK | MASQUERADE all -- 10.8.0.0/24 anywhere |
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| 22:51.44 | LinuxGuy2009 | Or a list of what the directory structure needs to have in order for it to work the same way? |
| 22:52.19 | cafuego | MrJK: 10.10.0.1/24 is an odd network range |
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| 22:54.34 | dondelelcaro | LinuxGuy2009: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#diy |
| 22:55.33 | cesurasean | dondelelcaro, you are the MAN! |
| 22:55.47 | cesurasean | woot! woot! it boots newest kernel now! :) |
| 22:55.54 | cesurasean | after replacing mdadm |
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| 22:56.04 | cesurasean | so it was in fact a mdadm bug/misconfig |
| 22:56.09 | MrJK | cafuego: yep, it was a mistake when I copy what I've done |
| 22:56.18 | MrJK | now, I've |
| 22:56.21 | MrJK | MASQUERADE all -- 10.8.0.0/24 anywhere |
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| 22:56.32 | MrJK | with iptables --list -t nat |
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| 22:57.07 | LinuxGuy2009 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.10 | themill | cesurasean: what fixed it? replacing the mdadm.conf with the one from mkconf? |
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| 22:58.41 | cesurasean | yes |
| 22:58.59 | cesurasean | using mkconf to edit mdadm.conf |
| 22:59.03 | themill | cesurasean: isn't that exactly what the boot message told you to you? |
| 22:59.10 | themill | is confused now |
| 22:59.16 | cesurasean | yes. it did. |
| 22:59.44 | MrJK | pickcoder: OVPN tell me: Oct 6 00:54:58 maman ovpn-server[18294]: bolivia/81.104.175.81:14153 MULTI: bad source address from clie |
| 22:59.48 | MrJK | nt [192.168.0.11], packet dropped |
| 23:00.18 | themill | Good. |
| 23:00.24 | MrJK | I don't understand how he knows my local IP oO |
| 23:00.54 | cafuego | wouldn't trust packets from bolivia either |
| 23:01.01 | pickcoder | are you trying to add a network-specific gateway route? |
| 23:01.09 | MrJK | (my ovpn client) |
| 23:01.19 | MrJK | yes tun0 to eth0 |
| 23:01.28 | MrJK | a study case ... :s |
| 23:01.30 | pickcoder | on the server side? |
| 23:01.34 | MrJK | yes |
| 23:01.46 | pickcoder | just add a route for -net and set the gw IP |
| 23:02.36 | MrJK | Are you sure I don't need to modify the server ??? (no iptables commands, I can only do that on the client???) |
| 23:03.07 | MrJK | trough my VPN, I can't acces to the WWW |
| 23:04.18 | MrJK | I may ask on #openvpn ... |
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| 23:06.26 | omakase | http://pastie.org/1201860 |
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| 23:07.10 | babilen | omakase: yes? |
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| 23:07.51 | somiaj | looks like a bug in the preinstall script for that deb |
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| 23:10.00 | somiaj | omakase: check out /var/lib/dpkg/info/northscale_server*, the script which is calling the groupadd command and failing can be found there. |
| 23:10.06 | themill | omakase: where does that package come from? |
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| 23:10.42 | somiaj | but yes listen to others, this is one of the issues if the package didnt' come from an offical debian repo. |
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| 23:11.04 | omakase | somiaj: so can i do something about it? edit it and repackage? |
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| 23:12.16 | somiaj | omakase: you can just modify the script if you like to call groupadd correctaly, then just do a dpkg --configure -a and it will rerun the script |
| 23:12.42 | somiaj | omakase: again make sure you know what you are doing...(: |
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| 23:13.37 | cesurasean | Ok, the system boots, but I'm seeing errors like this on boot.log ; Tue Oct 5 18:06:23 2010: Turning on quotas...quotaon: cannot find //aquota.group on /dev/disk/by-uuid/49a875c5-7a8b-4491-b737-e4685f715661 [/] |
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| 23:16.29 | cesurasean | anyone? |
| 23:16.39 | cesurasean | why does that error seem the same as the one i was having a few minutes ago? |
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| 23:17.00 | themill | backs slowly away |
| 23:17.22 | cesurasean | lol |
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| 23:17.31 | themill | "same" in the sense of "quotas don't work" == "system is unbootable" |
| 23:17.32 | Spida | hi |
| 23:18.06 | cesurasean | what help you are, themill! |
| 23:18.29 | cesurasean | seems like much is going to have to be put into squeeze to actually make this considered 'stable'. |
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| 23:19.24 | somiaj | its called testing for a reason -- seems like quotas isn't set up correctly, turn quotas off? |
| 23:19.28 | themill | cesurasean: umm... I don't think you can really blame the fact that you ignored warnings from dpkg over the last year or more on squeeze's lack of stability. |
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| 23:20.53 | cesurasean | sure i can. i don't think it said anything about copying the output like i did. it just warned about UID and system becoming unstable. ;) |
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| 23:23.41 | jelly-home | themill: however, the hook not figuring out the autodetected "/dev/md/0" being the same as existing "/dev/md0" is still an issue |
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| 23:24.31 | eide | does anyone know what kind of encryption enabled by default on the swap partition when using the full-disk encryption facilities in the testing installer? |
| 23:26.45 | cesurasean | jelly-home, you have any idea how to fix this error: Tue Oct 5 18:06:23 2010: Turning on quotas...quotaon: cannot find //aquota.group on /dev/disk/by-uuid/49a875c5-7a8b-4491-b737-e4685f715661 [/] |
| 23:27.56 | jelly-home | yes, yes I do. But I'm not doing free help after 1am |
| 23:28.21 | cesurasean | lol |
| 23:28.24 | jelly-home | cesurasean: learn how to check and rebuild quota files. |
| 23:28.54 | MrWax | I am trying to get a dhcp address, when booting the Debian Virtual Machine does DHCPDISCOVER but gets NO DHCP OFFERS RECEIVED.. What can I do? |
| 23:29.50 | xuser | use a static IP or setup a dhcp server? |
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| 23:37.42 | cesurasean | jelly-home, take a look at what i did. no luck! - http://pastebin.com/5DUNz9Hu |
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| 23:45.02 | MrWax | xuser: i have a dhcp server, and it works for all other virtual machine and systems in the network as well as static does |
| 23:45.10 | MrWax | xuser: the thing is that its an imported debian vbox |
| 23:45.13 | MrWax | Anyone can help me? |
| 23:45.15 | MrWax | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.51 | cesurasean | MrWax, post your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:46.02 | cesurasean | post your /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 23:48.31 | MrWax | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:48.34 | MrWax | auto eth0 |
| 23:48.43 | MrWax | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 23:48.46 | MrWax | (default) |
| 23:48.55 | MrWax | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.03 | MrWax | /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:49.21 | MrWax | domain office.old.com |
| 23:49.23 | cesurasean | MrWax, use pastebin.com, please |
| 23:49.29 | MrWax | search office.old.com |
| 23:49.35 | MrWax | nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 23:49.37 | MrWax | shit |
| 23:49.39 | MrWax | anyway thats it |
| 23:50.02 | cesurasean | ok, what is output if ifconfig |
| 23:50.06 | cesurasean | of* |
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| 23:54.29 | MrWax | cesurasean: http://imagebin.ca/view/Qo-fGB3I.html |
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| 23:57.12 | cesurasean | your eth has no ip address |
| 23:57.28 | cesurasean | looks like your VM is not assigning it one.... |
| 23:57.52 | MrWax | yes, it does DHCPDISCOVER and i see those intervals |
| 23:57.55 | MrWax | but without result |
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