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| 00:05.17 | nsadmin | yonatan I'd say you've totally ruled out the hardwAre |
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| 00:07.13 | nsadmin | and to prove that, put any other nic in there, an ne2000, or a 3c509 or 905 or something like that, and see if you have similar throughput as you did with the openvz port |
| 00:10.25 | yonatan | ill have to check that. |
| 00:10.49 | nsadmin | so the test would be... |
| 00:11.14 | nsadmin | with any other nic do you still get 10k/s from inside |
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| 00:18.40 | yonatan | any other nic |
| 00:18.43 | yonatan | i get max speed |
| 00:18.46 | yonatan | ( up to 1gbit ) |
| 00:19.14 | nsadmin | from inside the virtual machyine? |
| 00:19.49 | nsadmin | or virtual somethingorother? :) |
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| 00:20.59 | yonatan | from inside the virtual machine. |
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| 00:21.56 | nsadmin | that result may or may not rule out hardware, and less likely rules out the driver |
| 00:22.38 | nsadmin | it doesn't tell us enough to rule out anything |
| 00:22.46 | yonatan | this error could be reproduced on another server with the same hardware. |
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| 00:23.34 | nsadmin | could it be reproduced on a machine where the motherboard is different but the card is the same? |
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| 00:24.28 | nsadmin | also could it be reproduced on a different 10kbaset card? |
| 00:25.03 | yonatan | need to try that. |
| 00:25.49 | yonatan | apparently its something to do with the 10Gbit card + openVZ, i know that KVM had the same issue and upgrading to kernel 2.6.32 fixed this issue for KVM |
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| 00:53.24 | romel | hi guys. I've changed the system time but timestamps in my logs are still contain wrong date and time. what I supposed to do? |
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| 01:04.14 | kurtis | Hey guys, quick question: Does the latest Debian installer's partioner allow you to resize a Windows (NTFS) Partition non-destructively? |
| 01:04.44 | kurtis | Or do I need to do that with another utility before I install Debian? |
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| 01:06.12 | Fah | how do you tell iptables to not resolve hostnames when you do "iptables -L" ? |
| 01:06.32 | NoCode | you could probably just download GParted, create a GParted LiveUSB or CD, and use that to resize whatever partitions you like. More time, and more resources but it's a utility that is great. |
| 01:07.24 | sedulous | Fah: -n |
| 01:07.25 | NoCode | There is a partition manager with Debian LiveCD obviously, I just don't know know if it is GParted, and if you can resize NTFS with it. It's more likely Parted. Which is terminal program. |
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| 01:07.47 | Fah | rock, thanks sedulous |
| 01:08.05 | kurtis | NoCode: Thanks! |
| 01:08.33 | Fah | I'm writing a cleanup program for dynamic rules and I didn't want resolved names |
| 01:10.31 | NoCode | kurtis, Hopefully that helped. I forget what utility is used for the LiveCD. I installed Debian in expert mode last time, and come to think of it, it was just the installation manager/ whatever that formatted the partition I had prior. (don't use the mode if you don't know what you're doing). It's an easy installation doing it the default way. |
| 01:11.13 | kurtis | NoCode: Definitely. I'm assuming you can install from the LiveCD as well, right? If so, I'll just use that to partition my drive and install off the same source |
| 01:11.46 | NoCode | Yes |
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| 01:12.38 | kurtis | NoCode: Awesome. One last question, is there an .iso available to download it? I didn't see it at the debian.org site nor http://live.debian.net |
| 01:13.06 | qq- | Download: stable testing |
| 01:13.16 | qq- | kurtis, click ^^ |
| 01:13.27 | kurtis | qq-: ahh okay. Thank you |
| 01:13.28 | NoCode | (I'm not too good for support, but I'm sure there a few people watching that will correct me if wrong) I never used the livecd portion. I just remember booting, and a menu with a bunch of option. I used the 2nd menu to get into expert mode and I installed it that way. It really is easy enough to do it. |
| 01:13.55 | NoCode | I was in the same ordeal like you are now a few years ago. It's a lot easier than you expect. I'm just a user, not a programmer. |
| 01:14.01 | kurtis | NoCode: Yeah I generally just use the standard Debian installer ... but I don't usually try to keep Windows around either :) |
| 01:14.04 | qq- | kurtis, but not sure about installing from live |
| 01:14.15 | NoCode | oh okay. I get you. :D |
| 01:16.25 | kurtis | I hate to admit this, but I Haven't used Debian as a desktop OS for a while. It's usually always network-oriented (servers, headless workstations, etc...). I know everyone here is biased, but should I go with another distro if I am worried about hardware compatibility. I don't want to spend the next week trying to get my system to run correctly |
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| 01:19.00 | wm4 | sorry for being grossly ignorant, but I'm trying to build some package without optimization... I removed all occurrences of "-O2" from the source package, yet it compiles the sources with -O2... also, dpkg-buildpackage outputs the following message: dpkg-buildpackage: export CFLAGS from dpkg-buildflags (origin: vendor): -g -O2 |
| 01:19.12 | wm4 | so where does that -O2 flag come from, and how can I disable it? |
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| 01:23.42 | wm4 | ok I found out how to use dpkg-buildflags and above messages doesn't show the -O2 flag anymore, but the C compiler is still invoked with -O2 in the command |
| 01:26.19 | MrFrood | wm4: how are you building the packages? |
| 01:26.46 | wm4 | MrFrood: apt-get source, cd into the created directory, and then dpkg-buildpackage |
| 01:28.22 | MrFrood | wm4: try debuild -us -uc |
| 01:28.37 | wm4 | MrFrood: same |
| 01:28.59 | MrFrood | see http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html for more details (section 7.13 onwards) |
| 01:29.37 | MrFrood | strange that respects my custom build options |
| 01:29.56 | MrFrood | trying to remember how I set them |
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| 01:30.48 | wm4 | somewhere it says "/usr/bin/make -C . CFLAGS="-g -g -Wall -O2" CXXFLAGS="-g -g -Wall -O2" CPPFLAGS="" LDFLAGS="" debian_linux RPATH=/usr/lib" |
| 01:31.15 | wm4 | (in the output when calling dpkg-buildpackage or debuild) |
| 01:39.24 | qq- | wm4, which packages? |
| 01:39.36 | wm4 | qq-: lua5.1 |
| 01:40.29 | qq- | , versions lua5.1 |
| 01:40.29 | judd | lua5.1 -- etch: 5.1.1-2; lenny: 5.1.3-1; sid: 5.1.4-5; squeeze: 5.1.4-5 |
| 01:42.49 | wm4 | should be 5.1.4-5 from unstable, although the directory created by apt-get source says lua5.1-5.1.4 |
| 01:45.14 | qq- | wm4, see /src/Makefile say : "CFLAGS= -O2 -Wall $(MYCFLAGS) " |
| 01:45.27 | wm4 | qq-: I removed that |
| 01:45.33 | wm4 | qq-: the -O2 part, I mean |
| 01:46.24 | qq- | see alsa defaults of "make" command... |
| 01:48.28 | qq- | wm4, and what is ? MYCFLAGS= .. |
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| 01:48.58 | wm4 | qq-: what? I don't set MYCFLAGS |
| 01:49.20 | qq- | two lines down |
| 01:49.33 | qq- | in /src/Makefile |
| 01:49.55 | qq- | s/ "make" / gcc |
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| 01:50.48 | qq- | well 5/6 lines down .. |
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| 01:52.12 | wm4 | also I have to find a way to make the debian scripts not strip the built binary |
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| 01:56.06 | jpinx | ,versions links |
| 01:56.08 | judd | links -- etch: 0.99+1.00pre12-1.1; lenny: 2.1pre37-1.1; sid: 2.3~pre1-1; squeeze: 2.3~pre1-1 |
| 01:57.02 | macrobat_ | i installed the moonlight-plugin-mozilla pkg on sid. do i need to do something else to watch silverlight vids? |
| 01:58.29 | opakavic | !silverlight |
| 01:58.53 | opakavic | dpkg silverlight |
| 01:58.53 | dpkg | opakavic: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 02:00.47 | macrobat_ | :D |
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| 02:11.46 | qq- | !silverlight |
| 02:11.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, silverlight is a closed, Microsoft technology that the company must maintain. HTML5 offers an open architecture that all can build and help maintain and that is genuinely cross-platform. In an era of tight budgets and cost cutting, the HTML5 route could look attractive as it would mean Microsoft is no longer re-inventing the graphics wheel. |
| 02:13.33 | ksx4system | how can I add an app to Debian menu? most of apps installed via apt-get just appear there automagically but most of installed via dpkg -i not. |
| 02:14.13 | beardy | !menu |
| 02:14.14 | dpkg | from memory, menu is the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your window manager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (i.e. install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers). To add new menu entries, read /etc/menu/README. See also <menu-methods>. |
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| 02:15.10 | yonatan | !centos |
| 02:15.10 | dpkg | CentOS (Community ENTerprise Operating System) is a rebuild of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux RPMs by the community. http://centos.org/ For IRC support, join #centos on irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:15.12 | yonatan | :) |
| 02:15.36 | ksx4system | beardy: kewl, thanks. |
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| 02:36.26 | kurtis | Hey guys, I'm trying to install the Nvidia Drivers on my system. It says I need to set GCC 4.1 as my compiler so that the kernel can properly load the module. How do I go about doing that? |
| 02:36.48 | Tux^verdreifelt | install gcc 4.1, done? |
| 02:36.50 | kurtis | I've already installed it, but I'm not sure how to change the path info for GCC |
| 02:36.55 | kurtis | Tux: Didn't work |
| 02:37.01 | Tux^verdreifelt | should be the default then.. |
| 02:37.03 | Tux^verdreifelt | oh. |
| 02:37.09 | kurtis | Tux: 4.3 is the default (newer version) |
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| 02:43.12 | kurtis | Here's an easier question, where can I get a list of sources to add to my sources.lst? Specifically, I need to add 'non-free' and 'contrib' |
| 02:43.38 | kurtis | I usually google the question and come across the answer in someone's posting but I assume there is an official list of sources |
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| 02:47.06 | kurtis | Haha, nevermind. I didn't realize it was the same servers, just more repositories :) |
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| 02:58.32 | wcs | hi people |
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| 03:19.09 | laurus | How do I manually backport a package from Debian Squeeze that isn't available on backports.debian.org? |
| 03:20.51 | qq- | which package ? |
| 03:21.03 | laurus | qq-, gnuplot. |
| 03:21.24 | qq- | , versions gnuplot |
| 03:21.24 | judd | gnuplot -- etch: 4.0.0-5; lenny: 4.2.2-1.2; sid: 4.4.0-1; squeeze: 4.4.0-1 |
| 03:21.32 | qq- | !ssb |
| 03:21.32 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 03:21.34 | laurus | Right, I want 4.4. |
| 03:22.12 | Tramp | backport from squeeze to lenny? |
| 03:22.16 | laurus | Tramp, right |
| 03:22.42 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:22.48 | laurus | What is "enable debian-backports (see <bdo>" ? |
| 03:22.52 | laurus | !bdo |
| 03:22.52 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo users>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 03:22.58 | laurus | Oh, it's enabled I guess |
| 03:23.24 | qq- | laurus, that's won't help in your case |
| 03:23.38 | qq- | (bpo i meant) |
| 03:23.48 | laurus | qq- well it's ok, thanks |
| 03:23.54 | laurus | Woah, remove iceweasel? |
| 03:23.56 | laurus | Um.... |
| 03:24.05 | laurus | That's kind of crazy :P |
| 03:24.34 | laurus | Ah, here we go |
| 03:24.40 | qq- | heh , what's your sources.list ? |
| 03:24.48 | laurus | "Score is -9950" : is that okay? |
| 03:25.02 | laurus | It's okay, I just kept pressing no until it gave me an option to not remove it :P |
| 03:29.48 | laurus | In what order do I install the resultant debs? |
| 03:30.27 | qq- | doesn't count |
| 03:30.31 | laurus | Ok :) |
| 03:30.45 | qq- | all in same time |
| 03:31.03 | qq- | dpkg -i pack1 pack2 etc |
| 03:31.03 | dpkg | package pack1 pack2 etc is already installed |
| 03:31.04 | laurus | qq- are you Chinese by the way? |
| 03:31.16 | qq- | yes |
| 03:31.23 | laurus | Cool! Just recognized the name of your social network ;) |
| 03:31.42 | laurus | So I thought I'd ask :) |
| 03:33.38 | qq- | laurus, i kidding , but was my nick earlier off this irq was born |
| 03:33.52 | laurus | qq-, oh, hah, ok. |
| 03:34.41 | laurus | Thanks for the help! |
| 03:34.45 | qq- | np |
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| 04:03.13 | kurtis | Hey guys, I just upgraded to Squeeze and installed the Nvidia Drivers through apt-get. For some odd reason, when I enter "startx" at the command prompt, I get the error that /usr/bin/X doesn't exist |
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| 04:11.08 | mroe | anyone know if there is a script to autopopulate the ptr zone based on the forward zone? |
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| 04:45.16 | khem_ | is there any alternative to Samba? |
| 04:46.11 | mroe | khem_, what do you mean? |
| 04:47.26 | khem_ | some good fileserver |
| 04:47.34 | mroe | for what OSes? |
| 04:47.49 | khem_ | also is there something i can do in Linux to handle "windows authentication" for my clients? |
| 04:47.55 | khem_ | like store passwords over there etc |
| 04:48.01 | khem_ | mroe: Linux , preferably Debian |
| 04:48.23 | mroe | look at nfs |
| 04:48.41 | mroe | as for your second question, you are gonna have to ask a better one |
| 04:49.20 | khem_ | better question =) |
| 04:49.33 | khem_ | mroe: its hard to define for me, because i dont use that technology myself |
| 04:50.09 | mroe | well if you can't ask a clear and concise question, how do you expect anyone to answer it? |
| 04:50.32 | khem_ | i want my users to be able to use the login and password they got stored on my server at any of the clients |
| 04:50.34 | qq- | !ask |
| 04:50.34 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 04:50.37 | khem_ | the clients are windows machines |
| 04:50.53 | khem_ | and the server perferrably linux |
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| 04:51.17 | Adalid_Negro | hi, something to know gandi? |
| 04:51.33 | mroe | you are looking for a linux replacement for Active Directory? |
| 04:51.55 | Adalid_Negro | mroe: if you are talking me, no |
| 04:52.03 | mroe | no that was to khem_ |
| 04:52.06 | Adalid_Negro | gandi.net is a hosting service |
| 04:52.15 | Adalid_Negro | ok =) sorry |
| 04:52.23 | khem_ | mroe: exactly |
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| 04:52.42 | jpinx | khem_: sounds like you need to explore X over ssh maybe |
| 04:52.50 | mroe | samba4 is meant to be a drop in replacement to AD, but it isn't released yet |
| 04:53.28 | khem_ | mroe: alright :) |
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| 05:43.51 | superlinux | hi all. I am looking for a book that deals with business strategies regarding open source. do you know a title of such book? |
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| 05:50.04 | Bushmills | there's a debian consultants howto |
| 05:50.16 | Bushmills | ehm no. linux consultants howto |
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| 05:50.32 | superlinux | ok |
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| 05:50.57 | superlinux | Bushmills, not just consultation, but everything |
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| 05:54.18 | qq- | http://oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/brian.html |
| 05:54.36 | Bushmills | i tell you about what i know. i can't tell you what i don't know about. |
| 05:54.42 | superlinux | qq-, let me check |
| 05:54.48 | qq- | first google check |
| 05:54.54 | superlinux | Bushmills, sure. |
| 05:55.35 | superlinux | I am doing so qq- but I am looking for a specific book written by a strategist |
| 05:56.09 | nsadmin | which strategist? |
| 05:56.14 | superlinux | qq-, i think this one qq- should be ok |
| 05:56.29 | superlinux | nsadmin, Business type |
| 05:56.47 | superlinux | i donno, have only his picture in my memory |
| 05:57.24 | superlinux | I think he is a redhat staff |
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| 05:57.35 | nsadmin | so you want a specific book by a specific author... |
| 05:58.14 | qq- | http://www.opensourcestrategies.org/ , heh |
| 05:58.21 | superlinux | if it may.. but nevermind others |
| 05:58.29 | superlinux | ok |
| 05:58.35 | superlinux | i'll see qq- |
| 05:59.01 | superlinux | qq-, Awesommm! |
| 05:59.32 | qq- | takes same years to read all .. |
| 06:00.10 | superlinux | true! you can make a PHD in that |
| 06:00.16 | superlinux | isn't? |
| 06:00.31 | qq- | only one ? |
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| 06:01.45 | phorce1_home | how does one reset the bus for a mis-detected drive without rebooting? ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/ shows /dev/sdc but I'm looking at it sitting here on my desk with the power and eSATA cables unplugged from it. |
| 06:03.12 | aho | anyone knows how to contact the shootout guys? trying to register there, but when i try to login i get "error/could not get user." |
| 06:03.31 | jpinx | phorce1_home: mount -a or some incantation thereof |
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| 06:03.40 | jpinx | ? |
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| 06:04.20 | aho | https://alioth.debian.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=312670&group_id=1&atid=200001 <- ah ok. thanks google :> |
| 06:04.40 | phorce1_home | jpinx: it tries to mount it. It fails because it's not really there. I need to get the system to realize it is gone. |
| 06:05.48 | phorce1_home | jpinx: it's not mount having a problem, it's udev or hal or whatever inserted the /dev/sdc entry |
| 06:05.56 | jpinx | phorce1_home: what is used for "seeing" a plugin event? udev ? |
| 06:06.06 | phorce1_home | I tried restarting ha; and that didn't work |
| 06:06.14 | jpinx | phorce1_home: take a look through the logs |
| 06:06.23 | phorce1_home | so it's probably udev |
| 06:06.35 | jpinx | see the event - I reckon it's going to be udev |
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| 06:09.40 | phorce1_home | ahhh, 'udevadm trigger' made it go away |
| 06:09.54 | jpinx | :) |
| 06:10.24 | jpinx | now watch the tail of syslog while you plug it in again |
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| 06:13.25 | phorce1_home | bleh -- repeated i/o errors and it now fails to show back up in /dev/disk/ |
| 06:13.56 | jpinx | possibl b0rked drive? |
| 06:13.57 | kleanchap | What is the default window manager / desktop system for Debian? |
| 06:14.09 | jpinx | kleanchap: you an choose |
| 06:15.14 | kleanchap | jpinx, thnx. Is selinux integrated into Debian kernel? |
| 06:15.29 | phorce1_home | jpinx: that would be 3 dead drives in as mant weeks |
| 06:15.43 | jpinx | phorce1_home: :( |
| 06:15.59 | jpinx | kleanchap: dunno - I only do debian :) |
| 06:16.13 | jpinx | phorce1_home: it *can* happen.... |
| 06:16.40 | phorce1_home | tries to remember if any of them were new or all pulls |
| 06:18.57 | phorce1_home | what really blows about this one is that I need to install lenny on a couple of machines and this is my miiror drive. Full lenny/squeeze mirror including lenny-backports |
| 06:19.10 | phorce1_home | 60+GiB |
| 06:22.05 | Vesperto | I thought the defaukt DE was gnome if you chose the gui task in the installer. |
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| 07:11.52 | Name141 | Where could I find a list of needed repos? |
| 07:12.18 | streuner_ | Name141: you basically need 2 repos |
| 07:12.49 | streuner_ | a) default repo and b) a repo for security (if you using stable/lenny) |
| 07:13.00 | Name141 | streuner_: I would be yes. |
| 07:13.08 | Name141 | I just want to use samba, and ssh |
| 07:13.14 | streuner_ | Name141: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 07:13.17 | Name141 | since I want it basically to use as a file sharing |
| 07:13.33 | Name141 | it's a Pentium 2 450Mhz system with 10GB HD I thought I might as well use |
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| 07:15.05 | Name141 | I see that my disk is out dated |
| 07:15.07 | Name141 | 5.0.5 |
| 07:15.20 | Name141 | Do I need to directly get 5.0.6 ? |
| 07:15.25 | Name141 | or can I use this CD |
| 07:15.34 | streuner_ | nah, just make an entry for security |
| 07:15.48 | streuner_ | security.debian.org |
| 07:15.52 | Name141 | so I can go ahead and install from 5.0.5? |
| 07:15.56 | streuner_ | yes |
| 07:16.06 | streuner_ | dpkg, security |
| 07:16.06 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
| 07:16.29 | Name141 | ok. in it goes |
| 07:16.37 | Name141 | I hope it's got 'drivers' for VooDoo3 |
| 07:17.03 | streuner_ | dpkg, listvals voodoo |
| 07:17.05 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'voodoo' by value (8): v3000-tv ;; tdfx ;; rahul ;; quake3 voodoo3 ;; v2 #del# ;; 3500tv ;; v3000 #del# ;; 3dfx. |
| 07:18.10 | streuner_ | an old videocard... |
| 07:18.20 | Name141 | yes, it's all from 99 |
| 07:18.23 | Name141 | or 98 |
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| 07:19.08 | streuner_ | there is always VESA, if there is no other driver available... |
| 07:19.32 | Name141 | So there is no benifit from downloading the CD for 5.0.6 than 5.0.5 ? |
| 07:19.38 | streuner_ | as fileserver you shouldnt be care much about then... |
| 07:19.59 | streuner_ | nah, or you have no working i-net connection |
| 07:20.10 | streuner_ | atm |
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| 07:20.45 | Name141 | alright it's installing the base system |
| 07:21.12 | Name141 | I hope it doesn't take up much space itself? |
| 07:21.41 | streuner_ | security updates? |
| 07:21.48 | Name141 | the whole OS |
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| 07:22.28 | streuner_ | as fileserver? without DE/X? |
| 07:22.41 | Name141 | eh.. whatever is going in |
| 07:23.37 | WormFood | is there any software in Squeeze that will edit .svg files? |
| 07:24.29 | cahoot | inkscape? |
| 07:26.03 | WormFood | yeah, thats it cahoot, thanks :D |
| 07:26.31 | WormFood | I already had it installed, just overlooked it, and didn't find it on my searches, because I didn't think to search for "vector" (stupid me) |
| 07:27.28 | streuner_ | Name141: its a little bit confusing in these times, you buying external USB HDs with 1 TB - 2 TB these days... |
| 07:28.43 | streuner_ | Name141: USB sticks with 4-16 GB, my HD some years ago had about 350MB... |
| 07:29.12 | Name141 | it's got 10GB EIDE |
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| 07:29.31 | streuner_ | Name141: that should be more than enough, How much RAM? |
| 07:29.41 | Name141 | 320MB |
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| 07:29.55 | streuner_ | the issue in modern OSs are nowadays RAM, IMO |
| 07:29.57 | WormFood | and to think, my first hard drives were 40 meg, and 70 meg, and those were huge when I bought them (most people had 10-20 meg |
| 07:30.23 | WormFood | http://wormfood.net/hard_drive.jpg |
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| 07:31.00 | streuner_ | Name141: well, as fileserver its ok, but if you plan to use it as desktopsystem with DE/X and some modern browser you will get issues |
| 07:31.01 | WormFood | I love that...."THE PRICE WAR IS OVER!!", 5 meg hard drives, only $995 |
| 07:31.25 | streuner_ | paid for his HD (20MB) about 1000 bucks |
| 07:31.40 | Name141 | streuner_: lxde always ran 'fair' in ubuntu |
| 07:31.43 | WormFood | wow! I bought my hard drives used, from a ham fest :D |
| 07:31.45 | Name141 | but flash was terrible |
| 07:31.48 | WormFood | er, hamfest* |
| 07:32.51 | Name141 | streuner_: It's now downloading some junk after it configured atp |
| 07:33.04 | Name141 | er apt |
| 07:33.18 | streuner_ | WormFood: sounds like the first HD which was ever available :-) |
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| 07:34.50 | Name141 | I guess it's got tulip , seeing as the microsoft NIC is working |
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| 07:36.04 | WormFood | I came into work one day (I was an electronics tech), and I could barely get in the door, because my boss had bought this ancient computer for $100...each piece was the size of a washing machine....he was so proud of himself |
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| 07:36.44 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 07:37.15 | WormFood | so I pop the cover off the hard drive (no joke, the size of a typical washing machine), and it has a 230 volt motor, turning what I think was an 8 in hard drive platters....it was belt drive.....and a whopping 5 meg of storage |
| 07:37.34 | Name141 | LMAO |
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| 07:38.10 | Name141 | boy that must have been some bad 'adult video' quality to store on that |
| 07:38.17 | WormFood | but the funniest thing was how proud my boss was of himself, for picking this up as such a great price |
| 07:38.54 | WormFood | it is people's perceptions of things |
| 07:39.10 | WormFood | if you had a great car from the 1960s, it is still a great car, even tho it is old |
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| 07:39.24 | Name141 | so anyway, I'm at the Software Selection |
| 07:39.27 | WormFood | but if you had a great computer from the 1970s, it would be a heaping pile of steaming shit now |
| 07:39.41 | streuner_ | just keep in mind, humans love there cars more :-P |
| 07:39.42 | Name141 | do I want to just select "file server" and "standard system" ? |
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| 07:40.03 | Name141 | rather than 'desktop environment' |
| 07:40.05 | WormFood | my cell phone has more power than the greatest computer of the 1970....probably more power than ALL the computers of the 70s combined |
| 07:40.24 | streuner_ | Name141: Didnt you tell us, you want use it as "fileserver"? ;-) |
| 07:40.37 | Name141 | streuner_: pretty much |
| 07:41.34 | streuner_ | so just trust what Debian Boot Team recommend you, you are able to install any other package later |
| 07:41.53 | Name141 | Would I want to go ahead with 'standard system' also ? |
| 07:41.57 | Name141 | or just file server |
| 07:43.04 | streuner_ | i have no idea about every single package in "standard system", i just would choose "fileserver" and go on |
| 07:43.23 | Name141 | oops |
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| 07:43.26 | Name141 | oh well |
| 07:43.30 | Name141 | too late now |
| 07:44.58 | streuner_ | guess, standard system will prolly install print stuff as well, its very useful for fileservers :-P |
| 07:45.19 | streuner_ | but nevermind, as we told you before, you just remove it later then |
| 07:45.46 | Name141 | I never could get the printer to work properly in debian |
| 07:45.51 | Name141 | it was much harder than clicking in Ubuntu |
| 07:46.15 | streuner_ | its very easy in Debian |
| 07:46.19 | Name141 | it's even in the repos at ubuntu |
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| 07:46.45 | streuner_ | just get a supported printer and use CUPS |
| 07:46.58 | Name141 | Brother InteliFax 1860C |
| 07:47.06 | streuner_ | oh, Brother |
| 07:47.13 | Name141 | yes |
| 07:47.46 | streuner_ | they arent very well supported |
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| 07:48.05 | Name141 | eh it worked perfect in Ubuntu |
| 07:48.16 | xiuzhi | Hi all, who know the MIPS port IRC channel? |
| 07:48.23 | streuner_ | dpkg, mips |
| 07:48.23 | dpkg | somebody said mips was (Million Instructions Per Second) This is a rating of how quickly a processor can process instructions. A processor rated at 100 MIPS can process 100,000,000 instructions per second. Also a port of linux to computers equiped with MIPS processors. Meaningless Indication of Processor Speed, or a processor commonly found in video game console systems, and some computers, for more information, join #mipslinux on irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:49.36 | streuner_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:49.36 | streuner_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:50.42 | xiuzhi | streuner_: thx , I will try |
| 07:53.26 | Name141 | streuner_: eh it's asking me for the CD to install openssh-server ;/ |
| 07:54.06 | streuner_ | Name141: just add an entry in sources.list and run aptitude update |
| 07:54.19 | streuner_ | Name141: /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 07:55.48 | Name141 | where's sources.list again |
| 07:56.57 | Name141 | oh /etc/apt |
| 07:57.59 | Name141 | streuner_: http://pastie.org/1167831 |
| 07:58.12 | Name141 | that's good enough ? |
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| 08:00.26 | Name141 | or do I need to add deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
| 08:03.11 | Name141 | http://pastie.org/1167833 |
| 08:03.13 | Name141 | eh |
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| 08:07.20 | Posterdati | Name141: worked for me (squeeze= |
| 08:07.22 | Posterdati | Name141: worked for me (squeeze) |
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| 08:28.33 | jatt | I do have an external USB disk formatted as follows, what should I do |
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| 08:42.36 | jpinx | I am ssh -X'd into a remote box, chrooted into an image of squeeze and I aptitude installed links2 there, but it doesn't appear to run over the ssh connection. What am I missing? |
| 08:44.34 | jelly-home | how does it fail to run? |
| 08:45.26 | jpinx | jelly-home: I do links2 as root or as user and it gives me the initial screen, but whe I press Esc the screen goes blank |
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| 08:46.14 | jelly-home | jpinx: press 'g' |
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| 08:46.59 | jelly-home | jpinx: that's its normal mode of operation. A blank page is shown when the user didn't request any URL. |
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| 08:48.44 | jelly-home | jpinx: F10, or clicking the mouse on the top line of the terminal (or something similar if you're using graphical mode) brings up the menu |
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| 08:51.36 | jpinx_ | testing suitably screwey with this flaky connection |
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| 09:11.56 | pallgone | jatt: are you using grub? |
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| 09:33.14 | remur_030 | Good day, I have a mediacenter pc attached to a 46 inch screen, so the dpi is only 30x30, thus all fonts are extremely small |
| 09:33.38 | remur_030 | Now I want to make the fonts readable from the couch, what would be the proper way there, just increase the dpi? |
| 09:34.42 | pallgone | remur_030: is it gnome or something? |
| 09:35.15 | remur_030 | pallgone: kde, I know I can change the fonts sizes, but that would need to be done everywhere, from gtk to qt to gnome and kde etc |
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| 09:36.21 | pallgone | remur_030: in gnome you change the dpi, kde should also have that, I think Xorg provides such an option too |
| 09:36.54 | remur_030 | pallgone: ah yes, but changing the dpi sounds like cheating, it is in fact a 30x30 dpi screen =/ |
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| 09:38.23 | telmich | good morning |
| 09:38.36 | telmich | how could I best find out, when puppet 2.6.1 makes it into testing? |
| 09:38.39 | pallgone | remur_030: well, I don't see any other easy way. but I might just now know it... |
| 09:38.46 | pallgone | *not |
| 09:39.26 | pallgone | ,versions puppet |
| 09:39.29 | judd | puppet -- etch: 0.20.1-1; lenny: 0.24.5-3; lenny-backports: 0.25.4-2~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.0-4; squeeze: 2.6.0-4; experimental: 2.6.1~rc3-1 |
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| 09:40.41 | pallgone | hmm, not even sid has 2.6.1.... |
| 09:40.55 | remur_030 | pallgone: ok, guess it is a kind of ok workaround =) |
| 09:41.30 | _stefanos_ | hello everyone. i would like to ask if it's safe to switch from lenny to squeeze. Lots of applications I want to use are outdated and cannot use my PC the way i want. like for example, multimedia. |
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| 09:42.49 | telmich | pallgone: it has been released about a week and fixes many bugs found in 2.6.0 |
| 09:44.48 | pallgone | telmich: as testing is frozen I don't think it will be included... but I don't know too much about the whole process |
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| 09:46.40 | telmich | pallgone: noooooooo |
| 09:46.58 | telmich | pallgone: this would make testing's puppet unusable for a long time |
| 09:47.07 | telmich | or squeezes |
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| 09:47.25 | pallgone | telmich: until there is backport probably... |
| 09:47.41 | pallgone | telmich: you can backport 2.6.1 |
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| 09:49.20 | pallgone | telmich: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=pkg-puppet-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org |
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| 09:53.11 | stew | telmich: if you know of bugs that would make squeeze's puppet unusable, please report them |
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| 09:53.44 | DDRP | Puppet FTW |
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| 09:55.25 | _stefanos_ | what do i need to install so i play matroska videos with videolan? |
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| 09:57.14 | nsadmin | a video player? |
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| 09:58.03 | _stefanos_ | is it safe to upgrade lenny to squeeze? |
| 09:58.06 | nsadmin | if there's a video player in debian, perhaps you can find it at packages.debian.org |
| 09:58.22 | _stefanos_ | i have installed videolan but it's rather old |
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| 09:58.26 | _stefanos_ | 0.8.6h |
| 09:58.28 | nsadmin | squeeze is not an upgrade |
| 09:58.36 | _stefanos_ | ok, switch then to squeeze |
| 09:58.59 | nsadmin | its purpose is for testing to see if it's prepared for release |
| 09:59.55 | nsadmin | some people say they run it without problems... some people come to ask questions about problems they encounter |
| 10:00.18 | _stefanos_ | is it a squeeze testing or like an RC version? |
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| 10:01.22 | jelly-home | _stefanos_: debian has no RC, it's going to be testing right until the moment it becomes a new release |
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| 10:02.33 | _stefanos_ | nice. so by switching to squeeze i won't have to switch to a stable repository when it's going to get stabilized, isn't it? |
| 10:02.49 | _stefanos_ | because right now it's under testing, true? |
| 10:07.34 | _stefanos_ | jelly-home, so if i switch to squeeze now, i won't have to switch again to squeeze stable, isn't it? |
| 10:07.52 | jelly-home | _stefanos_: correct |
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| 10:08.10 | _stefanos_ | that's very nice! |
| 10:08.18 | _stefanos_ | i will switch right away then :D |
| 10:09.09 | jelly-home | _stefanos_: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 10:09.16 | _stefanos_ | thanks |
| 10:10.47 | _stefanos_ | oh man...you mean any other repository i have manually added in sources.list i have to remove it? |
| 10:13.49 | nsadmin | during the upgrade, yes |
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| 10:18.10 | _stefanos_ | jelly-home, can you see my sources.list and tell me which i have to remove other than backports please? http://pastebin.com/WEJJMbew |
| 10:18.12 | _stefanos_ | thank you |
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| 10:25.56 | jelly-home | _stefanos_: keep only the debian mirror and security.d.o lines |
| 10:26.32 | _stefanos_ | ok, how do i upgrade the kernel? |
| 10:26.41 | _stefanos_ | i have updated my system last night |
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| 10:28.47 | _stefanos_ | my current kernel is 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 10:28.51 | _stefanos_ | is that OK? |
| 10:30.05 | jelly-home | _stefanos_: no, but the factoid tells you how -- aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` |
| 10:31.11 | eshat | How can I pipe the content of multiple commands to one output ? I mean something like "cat errors.log & zcat errors.1.gz | grep foo " |
| 10:31.40 | _stefanos_ | jelly-home, sorry man. i have written down the steps and the first thing it says is to upgrade kernel, then remove any APT and rename lenny to squeeze, and last run commands like "aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-..." |
| 10:31.44 | _stefanos_ | brb |
| 10:31.52 | jelly-home | eshat: put them in a subshell, (cat errors.log; zcat errors.1.gz) | grep |
| 10:32.17 | eshat | jelly-home: so the brackets but them into a subshell ? |
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| 10:33.13 | eshat | jelly-home: thanks, works perfectly |
| 10:33.14 | jelly-home | _stefanos_: the factoid can only keep 250 characters or so. it says you need to upgrade kernel _before doing a dist-upgrade_ |
| 10:33.34 | jelly-home | _stefanos_: and then it proceeds to give you instructions on how to do so |
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| 10:35.29 | jelly-home | _stefanos_: so, first s/lenny/squeeze/, then do an update, when that update is successful install new, squeeze aptitude and linux-image-686 |
| 10:36.50 | jelly-home | _stefanos_: read "/msg dpkg squeeze udev", "/msg dpkg squeeze udev fix" if you run into trouble |
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| 10:59.40 | kleanchap | Is it possible to put all the 5 DVDs on a 32GB SD card and install Debian without having to swap DVDs? |
| 11:00.04 | kleanchap | I want to do a complete install unattended. |
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| 11:03.29 | pfuender | kleanchap, should be possible, but you know that you don't need all 5 dvd's..? |
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| 11:05.17 | kleanchap | Which DVD's will I need and what is on the rest of them? |
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| 11:07.18 | pfuender | kleanchap, first one is bootable and contains a bunch of packages, the others contain some more packages. depends on your needs, but usually the first one is sufficient |
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| 11:18.07 | _stefanos_ | jelly-home: I'm back. thank you for your help. i will read again very carefully the steps you have proposed to me. |
| 11:18.35 | telmich | stew: thanks, will do |
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| 11:19.29 | telmich | pallgone: don't see 2.6.1 on backports |
| 11:20.22 | _stefanos_ | the only thing is confusing is the kernel upgrade procedure "msg dpkg" proposed me. |
| 11:20.44 | _stefanos_ | sorry for being a pain in the b... but i want to follow the proper steps. |
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| 11:24.57 | _stefanos_ | jelly-home: "msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" shows me the kernel procedure right? |
| 11:28.12 | jelly-home | _stefanos_: the commands before the reboot are preparation steps and installation of "aptitude" and kernel from squeeze. |
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| 11:29.49 | _stefanos_ | so the first thing i need to do is to disable the APT (done already); then run the commands "aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude...blabla" and then reboot, and finally run "aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full upgrade". Is that correct? |
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| 11:31.13 | jelly-home | yes |
| 11:31.19 | _stefanos_ | perfect! |
| 11:32.26 | _stefanos_ | ok then, wish me good luck to hopefully make it work :D |
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| 11:39.37 | Burns | Hello |
| 11:40.02 | Burns | What is the faster way to upgrade a kernel |
| 11:40.25 | jpinx | Burns: aptitude install |
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| 11:41.04 | Burns | Not that way |
| 11:41.26 | jpinx | that's the debian way ;) |
| 11:41.58 | Burns | that doesnt upgrade the kernel |
| 11:42.26 | themill | Burns: perhaps you should explain what you are really trying to do and exactly what you have and what you want. |
| 11:42.49 | pallgone | telmich: no, it is of course not there, it is only in experimental, either report the bugs from 2.6.0 for squeeze and get them fixed, or see that someone backports 2.6.1 |
| 11:43.34 | Burns | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/kernel2.6.htm |
| 11:43.51 | Burns | I used to do this, but I know another way I just forgot about it |
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| 11:45.34 | Burns | !tell Burns bpo |
| 11:45.46 | Burns | !tell Burns about bpo |
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| 11:46.03 | jackweb | Hello! How to tell ./configure where is library Y installed (I am compiling for fun GIMP and the ./configure file needs from me intltool. I installed it in /opt/.)? |
| 11:46.50 | telmich | pallgone: ahh, ok |
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| 11:59.55 | jackweb | ok, my way is: PATH=$PATH":/opt/bin" |
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| 12:19.04 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
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| 12:28.46 | jimcooncat | I'm interested in the gtk-server provided by gtk-server.org. I don't see where it's in debian. Googling "debian gtk-server" leads me nowhere. Perhaps there's some quality issue why it's not packaged. Any ideas how I find out? |
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| 12:33.05 | eshat | I have a internal harddisc connected via "USB to SATA & PATA Combo Bridge", what is the right way to unplug the device ? Does unmount everything being enough, or do I have to power down the USB port befor unplugging ? |
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| 12:46.05 | eshat | can I connect 3 SATA harddiscs and an IDE DVD to a 350W power thing (don't know the english word for it) ? |
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| 12:47.04 | jimcooncat | eshat: that should be more than enough power I would think |
| 12:47.24 | eshat | shoud the information be on the drives ? |
| 12:47.28 | jimcooncat | eshat: power supply |
| 12:47.35 | eshat | jimcooncat: exactly :D |
| 12:47.37 | Agiofws | is anyone using picasa in linux ? |
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| 12:48.13 | Raptors | New flash non free available for 64bit and 32 bit :) |
| 12:48.18 | Raptors | http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html |
| 12:48.54 | jimcooncat | eshat: power usage should be on the drives. It might be in amps, so you'd have to multiply by the voltage (5 volts?) |
| 12:49.00 | eshat | Raptors: already 2 days ago, or is this a stable one ? |
| 12:49.17 | Raptors | 2 days ago |
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| 12:49.31 | Laugarhraun | hi |
| 12:49.33 | jimcooncat | eshat: if not on the drives, then you'd have to look up specs from manufacturer |
| 12:49.40 | Raptors | 2010-09-19 08:01:47 (519 KB/s) - `./flashplayer_square_p1_64bit_linux_091510.tar.gz' saved [4308402/4308402] |
| 12:49.44 | Laugarhraun | how can you get the date of the last _access_ to a file? |
| 12:49.45 | Raptors | Where does that get saved? |
| 12:49.49 | Laugarhraun | No modification, but access |
| 12:50.02 | Laugarhraun | *Not |
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| 12:50.41 | llutz | Laugarhraun: stat foo |
| 12:51.19 | Laugarhraun | woot |
| 12:51.22 | Laugarhraun | _so_ simple |
| 12:51.24 | Laugarhraun | thanks |
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| 12:52.23 | eshat | jimcooncat: that version didn't run fine on my machine (64 bit sid) |
| 12:52.27 | Laugarhraun | btw: OMG LINUX IS SO AWESOME ETC. |
| 12:53.16 | Laugarhraun | oh, and another question: my server seems to have shut down yesterday, which is strange |
| 12:53.26 | jimcooncat | eshat: version of what? |
| 12:53.33 | Laugarhraun | I'm going to turn it on back tonight, but how can I know the reason it shut down? |
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| 12:53.40 | Laugarhraun | which log file will help me? |
| 12:53.53 | lukosanthropos | is away (Goodbye) |
| 12:54.33 | jpinx | Laugarhraun: syslogs? |
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| 12:55.54 | Laugarhraun | jpinx: mh, it is not installed by default, is it? |
| 12:56.09 | Laugarhraun | So I won't know the reason for the shutdown of yesterday, will I? |
| 12:56.14 | eshat | jimcooncat: version of flash |
| 12:56.26 | jpinx | Laugarhraun: cat /var/log/syslog |
| 12:56.28 | eshat | it is a preview version |
| 12:56.35 | Laugarhraun | ok |
| 12:56.39 | Laugarhraun | thank you very much! |
| 12:56.51 | Raptors | eshat, do you know if this version had hardware acceleration for linux? |
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| 13:05.08 | eshat | Raptors: no it doesn't |
| 13:05.32 | Raptors | eshat, what does it add? |
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| 13:05.46 | eptalon | heyas |
| 13:05.51 | eshat | Raptors: well, all I found was bugs in flash applications :D |
| 13:06.05 | eshat | s/was/were |
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| 13:06.24 | Raptors | eshat, More then the the 64 bit beta before this? |
| 13:07.02 | eptalon | is there an "application" that would make it easy to build a nas-type appliance using Debian? |
| 13:07.10 | eshat | Raptors: have there been one ? I am using nspluginwrapper with the stable 32bit version of flash which just runs fine |
| 13:07.26 | Raptors | eshat, ya... |
| 13:07.47 | Raptors | Whatever, I downloaded and installed it. Hopefully its better. |
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| 13:09.48 | ikanobori | What was the bot command for the do not-install X-packages flag? |
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| 13:22.30 | cahoot | recommends? |
| 13:23.09 | _stefanos_ | jelly-home, I stuck on aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 13:23.13 | jpinx | !xorg |
| 13:23.13 | dpkg | X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.5. To install, ask me about <install x>. Ask me about <drxx> to reconfigure. To remove, ask about <remove x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQ #xorg on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:23.24 | jpinx | ikanobori: ^^ |
| 13:23.46 | ikanobori | Thanks jpinx. |
| 13:24.00 | _stefanos_ | it does stop resolving dependencies... |
| 13:24.00 | jpinx | yw :) |
| 13:24.06 | ikanobori | Also, I just installed cron-apt to mail me on any updates. Has that one been superceded by other tools? |
| 13:24.25 | jpinx | _stefanos_: define "stuck" ;) |
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| 13:26.19 | _stefanos_ | stuck, not able to go away from a spot or a place? :/ |
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| 13:26.49 | foetus | uups,sorry |
| 13:27.15 | jpinx | _stefanos_: what's it doing/not doing |
| 13:27.22 | jpinx | !doesn't work |
| 13:27.22 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 13:28.20 | _stefanos_ | it does not stop resolving dependencies |
| 13:28.40 | jpinx | _stefanos_: how many times have you run it? |
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| 13:30.20 | _stefanos_ | this is the second time now |
| 13:30.43 | _stefanos_ | i interrupted it once and re-run it after i restarted PC |
| 13:32.33 | jpinx | _stefanos_: it took about 6 runs to get mine settled |
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| 13:32.43 | jpinx | _stefanos_: have patience |
| 13:32.52 | _stefanos_ | what do you mean 6 times? :D hahahahaha |
| 13:33.14 | _stefanos_ | how many packages had detected on your system? |
| 13:33.32 | _stefanos_ | open, close, and conflict? |
| 13:34.10 | jpinx | just run it again and again and you will see the dependencies problems reducing |
| 13:34.24 | _stefanos_ | strange, on my is increasing :) |
| 13:34.50 | _stefanos_ | have you tried it with aptitude or apt-get? |
| 13:35.17 | jimcooncat | I'm interested in the gtk-server provided by gtk-server.org. I don't see where it's in debian. Googling "debian gtk-server" leads me nowhere. Perhaps there's some quality issue why it's not packaged. Any ideas how I find out? |
| 13:35.32 | _stefanos_ | a read somewhere an article whereas the user who wrote it mentioned about trying apt-get in place of aptitude and everything went smoothly |
| 13:36.13 | jpinx | !why aptitude |
| 13:36.14 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
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| 13:36.21 | lenswipe|ill | heyg usy |
| 13:36.23 | lenswipe|ill | guys* |
| 13:36.35 | _stefanos_ | ok, you convinced me :D |
| 13:38.15 | lenswipe|ill | is there a debian package around to burn AVI to DVD? |
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| 13:40.05 | foetus | dpkg wants YOU:) |
| 13:40.06 | dpkg | no idea, foetus |
| 13:40.20 | foetus | joke. |
| 13:40.32 | cahoot | devede? |
| 13:41.24 | _stefanos_ | open: 450000....isn't that too much? |
| 13:41.34 | foetus | is fiddling around with dpkg, not with the user |
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| 13:43.35 | lenswipe|ill | anyone? |
| 13:44.06 | _stefanos_ | brb |
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| 13:44.25 | abaddon | lenswipe|ill: i usually use k3b to burn stuff, not sure if this is what youre asking |
| 13:46.04 | pallgone | is there anything like dd that can image a whole drive without copying the empty space? |
| 13:46.40 | lenswipe|ill | abaddon, i want to burn a DVD to play in a DVD player |
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| 13:51.04 | foetus | lore of the day - A hedge between keeps friendship green (out of a dictionary) :) |
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| 13:52.50 | foetus | old country lore, maybe..nice. |
| 13:54.58 | foetus | must do some daywork..and quits |
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| 13:57.17 | abaddon | lenswipe|ill: http://www.google.com/search?q=k3b+burn+avi+in+dvd+forma |
| 13:57.28 | abaddon | lenswipe|ill: http://www.google.com/search?q=k3b+burn+avi+in+dvd+format , sorry *typo |
| 13:57.31 | lenswipe|ill | ty |
| 13:57.41 | abaddon | i saw some relevant info there |
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| 13:59.33 | pmurias | how can i fix www.nopaste.pl/t72 |
| 13:59.53 | pmurias | what should i add to sources.list? |
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| 14:00.42 | abchirk | a repo for etch, like: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian etch main |
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| 14:02.17 | dvs | etch is no longer supported |
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| 14:02.34 | abchirk | so it's lenny for stable? |
| 14:02.40 | dvs | yes |
| 14:04.31 | homie | why isn't there an autoadvance for smplayers playlist ? |
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| 14:06.25 | SPF | I'm trying to connect one LAN1 (on eth1) to another LAN2 (on eth2). Added iptable rules and it works perfectly. Now, one system in LAN2 has internet access. So I tried to add a route with route add -net 192.168.0.0/24 gw 10.0.0.1. Now it seems the packets reach the gateway but are not being send back to LAN1 |
| 14:07.11 | SPF | the return packets do reach my server |
| 14:11.14 | pmurias | abchirk: apt-get doesn't find that repository |
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| 14:11.48 | pmurias | abchirk: apt-get update |
| 14:13.00 | _stefanos_ | jelly-home, sorry for being a pain man, but something's wrong with the upgrade procedure. i think i'm missing something somewhere and i need your advice. |
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| 14:14.32 | _stefanos_ | based on "msg dpkg lenny->squeeze", i should "upgrade the kernel and reboot prior to the dist-uprgade" |
| 14:15.36 | _stefanos_ | i disabled volatile and backports; i replaced lenny to squeeze on sources.list; i ran "aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude..." commands |
| 14:15.59 | _stefanos_ | and now that i try "aptitude safe-upgrade" it does not stop resolving dependencies... |
| 14:16.20 | dvs | _stefanos_: and that's wrong. You should have upgraded the kernel *alone* first. |
| 14:16.39 | _stefanos_ | i did that first after renaming sources.list |
| 14:16.55 | dvs | how? |
| 14:17.10 | _stefanos_ | rename lenny to squeeze, ran aptitude update |
| 14:17.24 | dvs | _stefanos_: that's wrong |
| 14:17.50 | _stefanos_ | i ran jelly-home's msg dpkg way |
| 14:17.54 | jpinx | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 14:17.54 | dpkg | WARNING: you must upgrade the kernel and reboot prior to the dist-upgrade. Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile or backports), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list. aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>, <squeeze release notes>, <squeeze udev>. |
| 14:18.20 | jpinx | _stefanos_: read the first sentence ? |
| 14:18.27 | themill | he did that |
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| 14:18.34 | _stefanos_ | ok, upgrade the kernel...i did that |
| 14:18.38 | jpinx | Oooo - then what? |
| 14:18.41 | erez | hello everyone, I'm trying to install solr-tomcat, but the installation fails when aptitude tries to run tomcat (Starting Tomcat servlet engine: tomcat6) |
| 14:18.43 | dvs | did you reboot into the new kernel? |
| 14:19.01 | themill | _stefanos_: can you pastebin the output of "apt-get -s dist-upgrade"? |
| 14:19.20 | _stefanos_ | i did not ran the dist-upgrade, that's the problem |
| 14:19.33 | _stefanos_ | it was not clear from dpkg when to do that! |
| 14:19.39 | dvs | _stefanos_: are you running the new kernel nwo? |
| 14:19.51 | _stefanos_ | no, now the old one so i may be able to use xchat |
| 14:19.52 | dvs | now? |
| 14:20.01 | _stefanos_ | ^ |
| 14:20.20 | dvs | _stefanos_: the new kernel works on both the lenny and squeeze |
| 14:20.30 | _stefanos_ | yes, but X does not |
| 14:20.46 | themill | _stefanos_: we're still trying to work out the best upgrade process for lenny->squeeze so if you can provide some more information as to where this is failing, that would help. |
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| 14:20.56 | _stefanos_ | ok |
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| 14:21.23 | _stefanos_ | based on msg dpkg lenny->squeeze, the steps are not clear at all |
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| 14:21.43 | _stefanos_ | it's saying about upgrade the kernel and reboot prior to the dist-upgrade |
| 14:21.55 | _stefanos_ | in order to do that, you have to disable certain apts from sources.list |
| 14:22.22 | themill | _stefanos_: what dpkg said is quite clear. I know what it says there... I wrote it. |
| 14:22.33 | abchirk | pmurias, did you edit the /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 14:22.38 | dvs | _stefanos_: yes, the parts that are specific to lenny should be removed |
| 14:22.59 | _stefanos_ | themill, it's not clear though when the user should run the dist-upgrade command :/ |
| 14:23.09 | _stefanos_ | this is what i'm trying to say |
| 14:23.17 | themill | _stefanos_: ahh... dist-upgrade is the same as full-upgrade. |
| 14:23.31 | themill | and it explicitly tells you to that as the very last thing in the sequence. |
| 14:23.33 | _stefanos_ | well, i did not know that |
| 14:23.47 | themill | _stefanos_: you do now ;) I'll see if I can reword that to make it clearer. |
| 14:23.53 | _stefanos_ | :D nice |
| 14:24.04 | dvs | asks for a 90point font |
| 14:24.07 | themill | _stefanos_: Now back to your upgrade failing... can you pastebin the output of "apt-get -s dist-upgrade" ? |
| 14:24.10 | _stefanos_ | also, why aptitude safe-upgrade does not finish at all? |
| 14:24.25 | _stefanos_ | i haven't ran this command |
| 14:24.28 | dvs | themill: apt-get?!? ;-) |
| 14:24.29 | _stefanos_ | i followed the aptitude way |
| 14:24.45 | _stefanos_ | shall i ran the apt-get or aptitude way? |
| 14:24.50 | _stefanos_ | what's your suggestion? |
| 14:25.02 | _stefanos_ | !why aptitude? |
| 14:25.02 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 14:25.04 | themill | I'd like you to try apt-get. |
| 14:25.08 | _stefanos_ | ok |
| 14:25.23 | themill | -s is for "simulate". It'll just tell us what it wants to do. |
| 14:25.56 | _stefanos_ | is there generated log file somewhere to pastebin it or shall i redirect it to a file? |
| 14:26.35 | themill | _stefanos_: either redirect to a file or pipe to pastebinit or pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234" |
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| 14:26.58 | _stefanos_ | i will redirect it to a file :D hahaha it's easier |
| 14:27.02 | _stefanos_ | brb then |
| 14:27.27 | themill | _stefanos_: you don't need to reboot in to the new… gah |
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| 14:31.53 | erez | Any ideas? |
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| 14:34.04 | _stefanos_ | themill: here's the pastebin file http://pastebin.com/RiMaPyNc |
| 14:34.25 | _stefanos_ | also i have got a message "E: Conf Broken insserv:i386" |
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| 14:41.21 | _stefanos_ | themill, yeah i guess you should rewrite the message because it says "upgrade the kernel and reboot prior to the dist-upgrade". dist-upgrade is for apt-get whereas full-upgrade is for aptitude...that's the confusing part |
| 14:42.20 | dvs | yeah, replace "dist-upgrade" to "full-upgrade" |
| 14:43.33 | _stefanos_ | now, back to my issue. aptitude safe-upgrade takes ages resolving packages, more than half million closed packages! what the...? |
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| 14:44.30 | dvs | _stefanos_: there shouldn't be a "half million" packages if squeeze is the only source in the sources.list file |
| 14:44.49 | _stefanos_ | yeap, that's the only source |
| 14:46.21 | _stefanos_ | i have only security.debian.org and http.us.debian.org |
| 14:46.24 | _stefanos_ | the rest are disabled |
| 14:46.39 | _stefanos_ | is it possible to bypass the # comment? |
| 14:46.43 | dvs | _stefanos_: security isn't active for squeeze yet |
| 14:46.52 | dvs | _stefanos_: no |
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| 14:47.09 | _stefanos_ | ok then, i will disable security as well :) |
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| 14:48.12 | _stefanos_ | brb |
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| 14:53.37 | jpinx | dvs: _stefanos_ exaggerates somewhat - from his paste "989 upgraded, 535 newly installed, 49 to remove and 0 not upgraded." |
| 14:53.45 | dvs | yup |
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| 15:03.31 | do0ob | Hi all |
| 15:03.37 | do0ob | how do i netinstall debian unstable? |
| 15:03.43 | do0ob | i remember doing it before but i can't remember how i did it |
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| 15:05.05 | haytham-med | do0ob: i guess from ubcd |
| 15:06.48 | do0ob | wtf... |
| 15:06.53 | do0ob | you can install debian from ubcd? |
| 15:07.50 | jpinx | do0ob: install stable and upgrade |
| 15:08.11 | do0ob | but that wastes space and might leave old packages around in the system |
| 15:08.14 | Dagger2 | ubcd is a 300mb download and needs to be burnt to a cd; seems to kind of defeat the purpose of a netinstall |
| 15:08.32 | jpinx | introduces do0ob to aptitude clean |
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| 15:09.26 | do0ob | Dagger2: ubcd has other stuff too, i use it for testing new builds |
| 15:10.04 | themill | dvs, jpinx: _stefanos_ was talking about safe-upgrade failing to converge on a solution. 500k conflicts resolved probably isn't unreasonable if you keep telling aptitude to keep trying to find a solution. Based on that last pastebin, he should just use apt-get dist-upgrade rather than trying a two-step process with aptitude. |
| 15:10.27 | do0ob | I think this is what i need: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 15:10.51 | pmurias | abchirk: yes |
| 15:11.07 | do0ob | will, report results, bbl |
| 15:11.11 | abchirk | you need to replace etch with lenny then |
| 15:11.13 | pmurias | abchirk: but apt-get fails to download the sources from that location |
| 15:11.25 | abchirk | which error? |
| 15:11.43 | jpinx | themill: but if he had done it "right" first time it would have worked? |
| 15:12.14 | pmurias | abchirk: Couldn't stat index file ... |
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| 15:12.32 | pmurias | abchirk: am i not supposed to add etch to install that old package |
| 15:12.44 | themill | jpinx: he's not done anything wrong. And all our dependency resolvers are having a hard time with lenny->squeeze. |
| 15:13.27 | abchirk | pmurias, nopaste your sources.list and your command. Ye 'etch' but etch is "older as the inet" :p lenny is the new stable version. |
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| 15:13.48 | jpinx | themill: yea I can see there are issues, and I'm just looking forr pointers to help folks out. apt-get seems to be an option then |
| 15:13.55 | abchirk | You just need the .deb package for the kernel mentioned there |
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| 15:15.15 | themill | jpinx: yes. Omitting the two-step process of safe-upgrade then full-upgrade seems worthwhile most of the time and just using apt-get will sometimes (often?) result in the correct outcome for this process. (If you /msg dpkg squeeze release notes, you'll note that the draft release notes are explicitly recommending apt-get not aptitude for the process precisely because of these problems) |
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| 15:16.07 | jpinx | yea - I read that, but didn't like to mention it in # 'cos of the conflict with the lenny->squeeze factoid |
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| 15:18.06 | themill | jpinx: if aptitude manages to do it, then it's possibly better to use it instead, but if/when it chokes, trying apt-get is a good plan. |
| 15:18.28 | jpinx | okidoki |
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| 15:23.58 | skrzyp | Hi all |
| 15:24.10 | skrzyp | I have the problem with debian squeeze |
| 15:24.26 | skrzyp | In the booting, init changes the graphic mode |
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| 15:24.36 | skrzyp | it ignores my vga=792 |
| 15:24.51 | skrzyp | and broking Xserver |
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| 15:24.56 | jhutchins_lt | Is 792 a valid mode? |
| 15:25.09 | skrzyp | it's 1024x768x32 |
| 15:25.15 | skrzyp | or 791 too |
| 15:25.37 | skrzyp | but problem is in init-scripts |
| 15:25.49 | skrzyp | its changes selected mode |
| 15:26.17 | skrzyp | a\s\Xservr show black screen and lock computer |
| 15:27.18 | skrzyp | * and Xserver |
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| 15:37.32 | buntfalke | Hi |
| 15:37.34 | mandric | hello i'm sure this is a stupid question, I'm just being lazy, but I need to update (not upgrade) my system because I can't find the supervisor package (hoping an update will find that package). what command do i run agiain? |
| 15:38.22 | buntfalke | So I installed the packages 'browser-plugin-lightspark' and 'gnash' on debian testing - shouldnt that have me end up with a working fallback where lightspark fails? |
| 15:39.01 | buntfalke | Instead I get "lightspark encountered a yet unsupported flash file" when trying to learn Pirate Speak on youtube :-D |
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| 15:40.12 | sushiyant | how i can fix this http://pastebin.ca/1944247 |
| 15:41.04 | buntfalke | mandric: man aptitude |
| 15:41.11 | mandric | buntfalke: ok |
| 15:41.24 | mandric | thank ya |
| 15:41.44 | buntfalke | sushiyant: Well, it seems you have to fix your config? |
| 15:42.26 | sushiyant | buntfalke, i do not change any config |
| 15:42.44 | mandric | buntfalke: it appears there is not package for supervisor... |
| 15:42.51 | mandric | is there a place I can download it? |
| 15:43.45 | mandric | (oh gosh realizing I'm not running debian but ubuntu!) |
| 15:44.28 | mandric | head -1 /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:44.28 | mandric | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ karmic main restricted universe |
| 15:44.39 | mandric | oof sorry |
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| 15:45.50 | peterrooney | that was rare. |
| 15:46.01 | mandric | heh |
| 15:46.09 | mandric | i sense the sarcasm |
| 15:46.11 | mandric | ;D |
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| 15:51.32 | jhutchins_lt | mandric: It's not uncommon for users of other distributions to ask for advice here. Usually we manage to out them before giving advice that would destroy their system because it's NOT Debian. |
| 15:52.07 | mandric | i hear ya |
| 15:53.06 | haytham-med | out them! |
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| 16:06.49 | buntfalke | peterrooney: good one |
| 16:06.51 | buntfalke | :-) |
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| 16:16.22 | thewanderer1 | I'm on Lenny amd64 and I have a P55 chipset with a Core i3-530 (32nm, the one with integrated graphics) running on it. How to read any temperature sensors from this? |
| 16:16.51 | sedulous | recently did this but forgot, due to old age |
| 16:17.20 | sedulous | although it was not on lenny :/ |
| 16:17.36 | thewanderer1 | screw that, I can upgrade my server to squeeze |
| 16:18.09 | sedulous | it might need a newer kernel. at least i've seen new intel related sensors thingies during more recent kernel upgrades |
| 16:18.26 | sedulous | squeeze is out soon anyway, saves you an upgrade cycle later |
| 16:18.38 | thewanderer1 | am on 2.6.32 already |
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| 16:18.56 | thewanderer1 | (oops, I couldn't resist... yeah, this is from squeeze...) |
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| 16:26.05 | siegie | Hi all, i'm trying to setup a samba server on debian squeeze. I can connect from a other pc to the server with the ip adres. But i can't browse to the server. |
| 16:26.52 | megana | that's a little vague |
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| 16:27.13 | megana | I don't know what you mean |
| 16:27.38 | thewanderer1 | he probably means that "Network environment" (or whatever Windoze called it) doesn't list his machine automagically |
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| 16:28.07 | siegie | thewanderer1: i think that's what mean |
| 16:28.34 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Presumably you've gone through the standard setup and troubleshooting steps? What were the results? |
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| 16:29.00 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: it's not me who's got problems with Windows networking here :P |
| 16:29.02 | frex | Hello, I installed libapache-asp-perl, I could not find any example configuration file under /etc/apache2/conf.d |
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| 16:29.58 | thewanderer1 | frex: are you sure this is for Apache2? |
| 16:29.59 | frex | where is it stored? |
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| 16:30.27 | frex | thewanderer1: there is no package libapache2-asp-perl :S |
| 16:30.55 | siegie | jhutchins_lt: i have a standard configuration file, with added shared folders. |
| 16:31.09 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: The question was regarding your sensors. |
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| 16:31.42 | jhutchins_lt | siegie: You have to enable wins for windows browsing to work. Read the docs, they're pretty straightforward. |
| 16:32.03 | jhutchins_lt | siegie: I like using swat, it contains links to the appropriate docs for each configuration option. |
| 16:32.12 | jhutchins_lt | siegie: I believe you need to install the docs package for that though. |
| 16:32.50 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: what are the usual troubleshooting steps? "sensors-detect" does not really detect anything |
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| 16:33.12 | thewanderer1 | yet the BIOS displays all temperatures happily... there's also the intrusion sensor which would be really nice to have |
| 16:33.19 | siegie | Thanks for that, i'm going to try this out. On the internet there're so much tutorials for this |
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| 16:35.26 | megana | #debian, why are all the options under the vpn tab greyed out |
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| 16:36.02 | thewanderer1 | megana: you mean network-manager? you probably need the vpn plugins... |
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| 16:37.52 | jhutchins_lt | !doesn't work |
| 16:37.52 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 16:37.56 | frex | how can i see a package's dependencies? |
| 16:37.58 | thewanderer1 | -weeeeee- now my sensors are working with lm-sensors from sid |
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| 16:38.08 | thewanderer1 | frex: apt-cache depends package |
| 16:38.41 | frex | thewanderer1: thank you so let me see "man apt-cache" |
| 16:38.42 | jhutchins_lt | ... which you no doubt installed directly instead of properly backporting. |
| 16:39.18 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: yes, I'm lazy. but I mix releases anyway, so I'm not very concerned... it didn't depend on anything important, after all |
| 16:40.27 | frex | thewanderer1: dpkg -L libapache-asp-perl doesnt show me if it has a configuration file. |
| 16:41.08 | thewanderer1 | frex: so perhaps it doesn't? well, it really looks like an apache1 module... |
| 16:41.35 | frex | thewanderer1: seems so.. |
| 16:41.37 | thewanderer1 | now, is there a way to see the state of the chassis intrusion sensor? |
| 16:42.13 | megana | thanks thewanderer |
| 16:42.29 | megana | do you know what the vpn plugin is called thewanderer1? |
| 16:43.34 | thewanderer1 | `apt-cache search network-manager vpn` and pick whatever you need in particular |
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| 16:49.29 | megana | thewanderer1, I arbitrarily chose to install network-manager-openvpn |
| 16:49.51 | thewanderer1 | sure, a choice by 1k6 must be a good one |
| 16:49.53 | megana | should the "add" button automatically become available? |
| 16:50.09 | thewanderer1 | I believe you should restart network-manager for that... |
| 16:50.13 | megana | oh |
| 16:50.18 | megana | log out, or restart? |
| 16:50.24 | thewanderer1 | restart the daemon |
| 16:50.36 | megana | okay, I guess I will do it dangerous! |
| 16:50.38 | thewanderer1 | perhaps the applet, too |
| 16:50.56 | megana | is there a way to make the login screen not show available users? |
| 16:51.09 | thewanderer1 | sure, depends on what you use |
| 16:51.20 | megana | just the one that comes with squeeze |
| 16:51.23 | megana | it's gnome |
| 16:51.37 | thewanderer1 | for GDM, this should be in System->Administration->Login screen |
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| 16:52.20 | megana | no... that's not it |
| 16:52.39 | thewanderer1 | so do you get a really dumbed-down screen with just a few fields when you click that? |
| 16:52.46 | megana | yeah |
| 16:52.50 | megana | it's just a radio button |
| 16:52.53 | thewanderer1 | darn gdm3 |
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| 16:52.59 | megana | of... do auto-login or not to auto-login |
| 16:53.02 | thewanderer1 | I personally never liked it |
| 16:53.10 | thewanderer1 | ...that is the question, yeah |
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| 16:58.55 | g00se | Any idea why this massive update should be required? http://paste.ubuntu.com/496563/ |
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| 17:00.03 | dvs | g00se: you havent updated in a while? |
| 17:00.11 | deepa | i shutdown my pc with a vga cable in, now when i start i just get a black screen! |
| 17:00.51 | deepa | laptop, anyone got a solution? |
| 17:01.01 | cahoot | connect vga? |
| 17:01.35 | deepa | oh nvm |
| 17:02.01 | g00se | dvs: yes, but even so .. ;) |
| 17:02.53 | g00se | wonders whether it's to do with a recent lenny kernel update... |
| 17:03.28 | dvs | is guessing it's something to do with security |
| 17:03.30 | megana | lenny? you are like so out of date |
| 17:03.57 | dvs | megana: not really, it is the current stable |
| 17:04.08 | megana | squeeze just got promoted |
| 17:04.09 | mchaikin | lenny is not out of date. |
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| 17:04.24 | mchaikin | LOL Sorry, had to laugh. |
| 17:04.25 | Deepa | Turns out it was just the monitor having 0 brightness set |
| 17:04.38 | Deepa | Now I'm just having DNS issues |
| 17:05.14 | mchaikin | Squeeze is treating me well, mostly, but there's some bug that resets my resolution on restart. |
| 17:05.39 | Deepa | dig finds the names but xchat doesn't |
| 17:05.49 | mchaikin | Defaults to 1024x768 on reboot after I use krandrtray to set to 1280 x1024. |
| 17:06.00 | megana | that's annoying |
| 17:06.35 | megana | people still have 4x3 monitors??? :O |
| 17:06.41 | mchaikin | Was told this is a bug. Will try to configure autoreset in boot script. |
| 17:06.44 | dvs | megana: yes |
| 17:06.47 | megana | oh |
| 17:06.55 | megana | I haven't seen one in a while 8) |
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| 17:07.08 | cahoot | get out of your cellar |
| 17:07.08 | dvs | and it isn't that old either |
| 17:07.19 | megana | everyone at work has them :P |
| 17:07.44 | dvs | is still working with a P4 at work |
| 17:07.51 | megana | what's a P4? |
| 17:07.53 | macrobat_ | why would i toss my 4:3 |
| 17:07.58 | dvs | Pentium 4 |
| 17:08.09 | neoice | kind of general question, but does anyone have tips for investigating softlocks? |
| 17:08.11 | megana | from the year 2000? |
| 17:08.28 | dvs | I'm not sure when they stopped making them. |
| 17:08.40 | megana | because it's 10 years old or something |
| 17:08.57 | thewanderer1 | year 2000 was still the year of Pentium 3, I think |
| 17:09.02 | neoice | specifically softlocks suspected to involve mdraid. |
| 17:09.18 | megana | nope, I remember that we had one in 2000 |
| 17:09.19 | cahoot | what's in those space shuttles? 286's? |
| 17:09.33 | dvs | megana: introduced in 2000, ended in 2008 |
| 17:09.35 | thewanderer1 | thinks Lisp machines |
| 17:09.36 | Deepa | How do I permanently disable IPv6? |
| 17:09.36 | MrFrood | some of us dream about upgrading our K6's to P4's |
| 17:09.40 | megana | ya, seee |
| 17:09.48 | Deepa | My browser doesn't work when IPv6 is enabled |
| 17:09.48 | epsas | 286's for the internal flight computers -- but the astronauts carry normal laptops up there |
| 17:09.59 | thewanderer1 | Deepa: disable that in your browser... |
| 17:10.13 | megana | you can't stop ipv6 the revolution is coming |
| 17:10.17 | cahoot | epsas: yeah I guess facbook craves modern hw |
| 17:10.17 | Deepa | thewanderer1, will you make a binary patch to let me do that in Opera? |
| 17:10.27 | Deepa | megana, do you know any ISP in Ireland which provides IPv6? |
| 17:10.40 | megana | I don't know any in the world deepa |
| 17:10.56 | Deepa | I do though :-) |
| 17:10.58 | thewanderer1 | Deepa: why not use tunnelbroker.net ? |
| 17:11.01 | vsmatck | Deepa: having ISP support for IPv6 is irrelevant. You can get a free IPv6 tunnel from multiple different places. |
| 17:11.02 | Deepa | But they're doing 6to4 |
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| 17:11.14 | Deepa | thewanderer1, why would I use it? I got nothing to connect to |
| 17:11.17 | thewanderer1 | besides, |
| 17:11.20 | thewanderer1 | !noipv6 |
| 17:11.20 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 17:11.59 | megana | dpkg never talked to me before |
| 17:12.00 | dpkg | wish i knew, megana |
| 17:12.07 | megana | oh hi! |
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| 17:12.13 | vsmatck | hah |
| 17:12.21 | dvs | megana: liar! |
| 17:12.25 | dvs | ;-) |
| 17:12.30 | megana | dpkg --install |
| 17:12.31 | dpkg | megana: i haven't a clue |
| 17:12.31 | Deepa | Shouldn't that be net.ipv6 btw? |
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| 17:13.14 | jhutchins | ipv6 is an irrelevant gimic. It'll be obsolete before it's widely adopted. |
| 17:13.28 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins: sure... it's been here for a decade, at least |
| 17:13.30 | dvs | ipv7? |
| 17:13.30 | megana | jhutchins, that's hard |
| 17:13.31 | neoice | what's replacing it? tooks them 15 years to get here. |
| 17:13.35 | thewanderer1 | it's old now :P |
| 17:13.42 | megana | html4 |
| 17:13.53 | Deepa | jhutchins, do you really think that ISPs will start with NATting on ISP-level? |
| 17:13.56 | thewanderer1 | let's all use ipv8, now |
| 17:13.58 | neoice | anyone have experience tuning mdraid? |
| 17:14.21 | megana | are we out of ip addresses yet? |
| 17:14.31 | Dagger2 | Deepa: they will. heck, they /have/ |
| 17:14.32 | thewanderer1 | Deepa: you know, ISP's already are NATing their customers... some of them |
| 17:14.44 | Deepa | Now you spoiled my monologue :/ |
| 17:15.04 | megana | I'm glad I live in the USA and I don't get natted |
| 17:15.20 | Deepa | You'll be soon |
| 17:15.23 | vsmatck | yes.. the USA the internet backwater of bandwidth. |
| 17:15.24 | megana | no! |
| 17:15.38 | Deepa | Wait, isn't USA already doing NATting on ISP-level? |
| 17:15.52 | neoice | I've only seen it on mobile devices |
| 17:16.10 | neoice | all their customers are NAT'd because thats just how consumer routers work. |
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| 17:16.26 | neoice | but its still a 1 address, 1 customer world. |
| 17:16.39 | mchaikin | Anyone here know anything about pro-audio+deb(squeeze)? I would like to know what latencies are possible with a decent sound card and then if low latency audio kernel is necessary for reasonable times. |
| 17:16.47 | Deepa | I once acccidently banned a whole country thanks to NAT |
| 17:17.03 | neoice | I intentionally ban whole countries. |
| 17:17.10 | neoice | China and Korea can step off my ssh nuts. |
| 17:17.44 | jhutchins | mchaikin: We would be happy to have additional testers for audio on squeeze, but if you're asking for a working distribution, that's lenny. |
| 17:17.51 | megana | what if an entire country was NATed? |
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| 17:18.00 | megana | I bet the pope is natted |
| 17:18.07 | Deepa | megana, there is a whole country that's NATed |
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| 17:18.15 | megana | which one? |
| 17:18.23 | neoice | megana: NAT is a hack that can cause some serious network issues. double NAT breaks a ton of protocols |
| 17:18.26 | Deepa | I don't know the name in and out |
| 17:18.43 | megana | huh? |
| 17:18.55 | megana | I know what the NAT is :P |
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| 17:19.10 | neoice | have you seen the strange and bizarre things that happen with double NAT? |
| 17:19.12 | Deepa | It's a technique for using one IP for many devices |
| 17:19.17 | mchaikin | Jhutchins: No, would like to try it out. If I can accomplish proaudio latencies, then I will convert %100 to linux. Cakewalk sonar is the only tie I now have to Win. |
| 17:19.24 | megana | it's a little bug that flies around and maps ports to ip addresses and then changes the packet |
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| 17:19.33 | nsadmin | Deepa: what country? |
| 17:19.48 | megana | so run cakewalk sonar in a vm? |
| 17:20.27 | neoice | that'll probably hose latencies |
| 17:20.51 | mchaikin | megana: Haven't gotten into Linux VM sftware yet. Wonder about speed. |
| 17:20.55 | Deepa | nsadmin, I don't know, check wikipedia |
| 17:21.00 | Deepa | I have DNS issues in some applications |
| 17:21.15 | Deepa | opera and xchat can't make lookups, DIG can though |
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| 17:21.58 | dvs | Deepa: I think dig bipasses the DNS so it really doesn't count. |
| 17:22.04 | Deepa | oh |
| 17:22.06 | thewanderer1 | mchaikin: I can say that with hw virt, the speeds are near-native |
| 17:22.15 | Deepa | I would Google the issue... but hey :p |
| 17:22.22 | nsadmin | usually this requires a mild analysis of your net |
| 17:22.31 | nsadmin | I hate butt hay! |
| 17:22.48 | thewanderer1 | yes, everyone hates butt hay, he's so sad because of that :( |
| 17:23.22 | Deepa | Yes, it's horrible |
| 17:23.28 | Deepa | But my net is far worse! |
| 17:23.29 | mchaikin | thewanderer: sounds good. Is that possible with AMD64, you think? |
| 17:23.35 | Deepa | I have internet connectivity but I cannot use it |
| 17:23.50 | thewanderer1 | mchaikin: yeah. what else is there? i386? ARM?! |
| 17:23.56 | dvs | Deepa: you don't have a nameserver? |
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| 17:24.10 | Deepa | dvs, I don't know, I can |
| 17:24.13 | Deepa | t remember how to check |
| 17:24.17 | nsadmin | Deepa, what is the shape of your net? do you have a nat with several machines inside? |
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| 17:24.21 | mchaikin | I thought intel had newer 64 things coming out (not ia64) |
| 17:24.28 | thewanderer1 | no |
| 17:24.30 | Deepa | nsadmin, at the moment yes I think so, I'm at a hotel |
| 17:24.37 | dvs | Deepa: you weren't assigned on from your ISP? |
| 17:24.40 | mchaikin | LOL No surprise. |
| 17:24.43 | dvs | oh |
| 17:24.46 | nsadmin | oh ok, |
| 17:24.57 | dvs | Deepa: you probably need dhcp |
| 17:25.03 | nsadmin | what you -could- do is run a caching-only dns |
| 17:25.04 | thewanderer1 | Intel only has amd64 and ia64, and yes, AMD64 SVM virt on AMD CPU's works pretty nice |
| 17:25.22 | Deepa | I can't overrride it? |
| 17:25.32 | mchaikin | Yeah, mos def gotta try the deb64 squeeze amd64 virtualization. Very enticing. |
| 17:25.35 | Deepa | I recall it just being entries in a file being written by DHCP |
| 17:25.46 | dvs | Deepa: I guess if you know a nameserver to use. |
| 17:25.47 | mchaikin | Testers to real-time! |
| 17:25.55 | Deepa | dvs, I know several! |
| 17:26.06 | thewanderer1 | Deepa: /etc/resolv.conf contains your nameserver addresses |
| 17:26.10 | Deepa | ah resolv, thanks |
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| 17:26.31 | Deepa | 8.8.8.8 I love you so much |
| 17:26.43 | thewanderer1 | just what is that? :P |
| 17:27.04 | dvs | you have a default route too? |
| 17:27.04 | Deepa | Shame on you! how can you not remember the most awesome DNS server ever? |
| 17:27.29 | thewanderer1 | sounds like eightball DNS server... :P |
| 17:27.32 | Deepa | dvs, I just had been given a DHCP server that doesn't work |
| 17:27.35 | epsas | i thought that was 4.2.2.2 ? |
| 17:27.42 | Deepa | thewanderer1, google's public is easier to remember |
| 17:27.43 | benf | 8.8.8.8 is google public dns |
| 17:27.50 | nsadmin | 127.0,0,1 is the most awesome ever! |
| 17:27.57 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: true |
| 17:28.03 | dvs | nsadmin: narcissist! ;-) |
| 17:28.17 | Deepa | nsadmin, there's no place like /dev/null |
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| 17:29.23 | nsadmin | seriously tho... if you run your own dns, then you too would put 127.0.0.1 in YOUR resolv.conf! |
| 17:29.44 | Deepa | I run my own DNS |
| 17:30.01 | nsadmin | in the machine you['re typing on? |
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| 17:31.12 | nsadmin | that would be a yes/no question :) |
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| 17:34.17 | JodaZ | does anyone have a tutorial for installing a dod source server on 64bit lenny ? |
| 17:35.32 | nsadmin | what;s a dod source server? |
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| 17:36.02 | epsas | that is a good question |
| 17:36.03 | Bartzy | Hi, what's the best automated installation method for debian ? |
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| 17:36.10 | Bartzy | I Mean fully automated, as much as possible... |
| 17:36.20 | Deepa | dump/restore? |
| 17:36.27 | JodaZ | nsadmin, its a game |
| 17:36.27 | Bartzy | No, fresh install.. |
| 17:36.33 | nsadmin | "best" has no meaning |
| 17:36.50 | nsadmin | fai is said to be good |
| 17:36.51 | Bartzy | What's the most popular ? Or what are the better options I have ? |
| 17:36.51 | Deepa | dump/restore + scripts? |
| 17:37.21 | Deepa | And if you dump a fresh install you can restore a fresh installl |
| 17:37.23 | Bartzy | OK ... so FAI + Puppet is a good way to create new hosts + configure them automatically ? |
| 17:37.24 | nsadmin | look into fai, see if that meets your needs |
| 17:37.38 | Bartzy | ok thanks... |
| 17:37.41 | epsas | Bartzy - people have reported success with FAI: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
| 17:37.44 | Bartzy | Any other options like fai ? |
| 17:37.49 | epsas | nods to nsadmin |
| 17:37.58 | nsadmin | how many times and how many ways do you need it said? |
| 17:38.00 | epsas | Bartzy - are you looking for something like kickstart/jumpstart |
| 17:38.04 | Bartzy | great. thanks. Is there a way to distribute any linux (or most) OS ? and not only debian... |
| 17:38.12 | Bartzy | some kind of PXE server that holds many distributions... |
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| 17:38.17 | g0rd0n | damn |
| 17:38.30 | nsadmin | Bartzy: it's called a "mirror" |
| 17:38.31 | epsas | Bartzy - that is a matter for the dhcp server and your mac tables / ethernet ids |
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| 17:38.38 | g0rd0n | someone changed the pinnings to the backports repo and now i inadvertedly upgraded all packages to backports :'( |
| 17:38.51 | epsas | Bartzy - your dhcp server can support mulptiple different boot images |
| 17:39.04 | nsadmin | "someone"? |
| 17:39.09 | Bartzy | epsas: OK, so one will be FAI, other will be some redhat/suse/whatever ? |
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| 17:39.20 | epsas | Bartzy - something to look into as well (although it is beyond the scope of this channel) is LTSP and the new "hybrid" thick clients |
| 17:39.39 | Deepa | Bartzy, Norton has something called ghostserver |
| 17:39.59 | Bartzy | I don't want an image. |
| 17:40.04 | Bartzy | I want it to download from the repos |
| 17:40.14 | Bartzy | Thanks guys, I'll check everything out. |
| 17:40.27 | epsas | Bartzy - yes, you create classes of mac-addresses/machines -- and you can set up different PXE netboot images for those classes |
| 17:40.34 | Deepa | Just a fyi, if you have requirements state them immediately and you'll avoid unnecessary answers |
| 17:40.50 | epsas | he was looking for a fresh install |
| 17:40.53 | Bartzy | Deepa: NP, will do next time |
| 17:40.54 | epsas | not an imager |
| 17:41.00 | nsadmin | he did... he wanted the best one! |
| 17:41.07 | Bartzy | epsas: OK, thanks, I'll check into that |
| 17:41.07 | Deepa | Norton Ghost can do fresh installs from images |
| 17:41.25 | Bartzy | Yeah but then I have to make an image for every fresh install I need |
| 17:41.27 | Bartzy | I don't want that |
| 17:41.39 | Bartzy | I want something like debootstrap but for a new system |
| 17:41.40 | Deepa | And it's incredibly awesome and I'd say it's the bestest solution with the obvious exception of costing so much that you'll lose a kidney or two |
| 17:42.01 | epsas | yeah, it is almost always better to install via kickstart (or the like) than with an imager |
| 17:42.05 | nsadmin | Bartzy: perhaps you could collect your requirements in a file |
| 17:42.07 | Bartzy | There are other free solutions for images server.. Clonezilla for example I think... |
| 17:42.33 | epsas | clonezilla is nice, as it multicasts the base image |
| 17:42.43 | Bartzy | yes. |
| 17:42.44 | nsadmin | that way we're not pulling your teeth to get them out while you complain you're not getting the answer you were looking for |
| 17:43.09 | Bartzy | Well I got my answers... I think FAI/kickstart is a start |
| 17:43.17 | Bartzy | :] |
| 17:43.41 | epsas | "kickstart" is Redhat's answer to Sun's "jumpstart" |
| 17:44.01 | nsadmin | redhat answers? |
| 17:44.02 | Bartzy | it's not for debian/ubuntu and everyone else ? |
| 17:44.32 | epsas | nsadmin - yes they answer; not as much as they are questioned though... |
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| 17:45.55 | epsas | Bartzy - also... read this: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apb.html.en |
| 17:46.05 | epsas | Automating the installation using preseeding |
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| 17:46.40 | Bartzy | OK thanks. |
| 17:46.57 | epsas | np |
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| 17:53.14 | grand_grunt | I've tried to install proprietary Ati driver, and it seems that they removed my "libGL.so.1" file. How to get it back? |
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| 17:53.51 | jelly-home | grand_grunt: what procedure did you use to install it, using the ati installer? |
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| 17:56.16 | grand_grunt | jelly-home: Yes. and it failed. So I decided to delete all Ati/AMD stuff and use free radeon driver. |
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| 17:57.46 | jelly-home | grand_grunt: is libgl1-mesa-glx package installed? |
| 17:57.52 | grand_grunt | Yes |
| 17:57.56 | jelly-home | grand_grunt: reinstall it |
| 17:58.10 | grand_grunt | But got them back, opening manually the .deb libgl1-mesa-glx |
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| 17:58.18 | jelly-home | grand_grunt: also, /msg dpkg fglrx |
| 17:58.42 | jelly-home | grand_grunt: opening manually? With dpkg -i? |
| 17:58.46 | grand_grunt | Seems that dpkg considered these libs as install |
| 17:58.47 | g0rd0n | starting to get really pissed |
| 17:58.54 | grand_grunt | no, ar xv, gunzip, tar |
| 17:59.27 | jelly-home | grand_grunt: a simple installation of the very same package is easier |
| 17:59.28 | grand_grunt | I've used Ati tools to generate .deb packages |
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| 17:59.43 | jelly-home | grand_grunt: read that factoid. |
| 18:01.05 | grand_grunt | Not the first time a proprietary tool gets me. Should learn that: use Debian tools, or don't try. |
| 18:02.54 | jelly-home | use whatever works, but know the caveats |
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| 18:46.05 | sushiyant | i have this problem ( NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts ) with apache in debian , how i can fix it |
| 18:46.23 | Deepa | dpkg-deb (subprocess): short read on buffer copy for failed to write to pipe in copy? |
| 18:50.53 | iceroot | sushiyant: use NameVirtualHost in your /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default |
| 18:53.41 | sushiyant | iceroot: i don not have this file /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default can you give it me |
| 18:54.14 | iceroot | sushiyant: then put it in the file you put your virtualhost-definition |
| 18:55.02 | sushiyant | iceroot: what? |
| 18:55.30 | iceroot | sushiyant: the error you posted only comes up if you have a wrong virtualhost config |
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| 19:02.14 | digitalice | hi |
| 19:02.19 | digitalice | got a question :D |
| 19:02.32 | rubin110 | What happened to the openntpd package in squeeze? |
| 19:03.11 | digitalice | ive got debian lenny in one of my servers, and i want to turn it into a virtual machine image. is there any package to do that? |
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| 19:05.45 | RichiH | can i disable password ssh login for one specific user? |
| 19:06.03 | jelly-home | ,versions openntpd |
| 19:06.05 | judd | openntpd -- etch: 3.9p1-3; lenny: 3.9p1-7; sid: 3.9p1+debian-5 |
| 19:06.53 | rubin110 | jelly-home: Seems like it's been removed for squeeze. |
| 19:06.54 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell rubin110 about why is openntpd not in testing |
| 19:07.24 | rubin110 | I see. |
| 19:07.35 | Deepa | digitalice, norton ghost supports turning images to virtual machines |
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| 19:08.16 | digitalice | Deepa: lol, partitions into virtual machines? |
| 19:08.33 | jelly-home | rubin110: yeah, that's a wtf: "[...against what common sense could tell you, openntpd doesn't adjust the system's clock rate " |
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| 19:08.39 | Deepa | oop |
| 19:08.40 | Deepa | s |
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| 19:08.52 | jurrehart | Richih: by using key's you can make users authenticate by key and not password |
| 19:09.03 | Deepa | digitalice, you make a backup and turn the backup into a virtual machine |
| 19:09.10 | digitalice | k |
| 19:09.32 | digitalice | will check that, thc |
| 19:09.34 | digitalice | thx |
| 19:09.36 | jelly-home | rubin110: I think I've seen users on irc complaining their ntpd updated clock every 5-10 minutes, might have been openntpd |
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| 19:18.13 | lenswipe|cured | hey guys |
| 19:18.18 | lenswipe|cured | im having trouble with apache |
| 19:18.21 | lenswipe|cured | it suddenly wont start |
| 19:18.24 | lenswipe|cured | can someone assist? |
| 19:18.25 | lenswipe|cured | robert@C03:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 19:18.25 | lenswipe|cured | sudo: unable to resolve host C03 |
| 19:18.25 | lenswipe|cured | Starting web server: apache2apache2: apr_sockaddr_info_get() failed for C03 |
| 19:18.25 | lenswipe|cured | apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
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| 19:18.32 | lenswipe|cured | sorry |
| 19:18.39 | lenswipe|cured | didnt know it was as long a paste as that |
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| 19:26.11 | lenswipe | guys? |
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| 19:27.45 | Deepa | lenswipe, does your computer have a hostname that resolves to yourself? |
| 19:28.04 | Deepa | /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts are relevant |
| 19:28.32 | lenswipe | Deepa, well according to the Network gui C03 resolves to C03, C03.home and C03.HOME |
| 19:28.35 | lenswipe | thats right isnt it? |
| 19:28.54 | Deepa | does it have a valid entry in /etc/hosts? |
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| 19:29.01 | lenswipe | sure |
| 19:29.37 | lenswipe | lemme |
| 19:29.38 | rubin110 | How often does ntpd run? |
| 19:29.46 | lenswipe | nvm |
| 19:29.48 | lenswipe | i fixed it |
| 19:30.29 | jelly-home | rubin110: it runs all the time. |
| 19:30.47 | rubin110 | jelly-home: I mean how often does it attempt to sync itself with a server? |
| 19:31.13 | rubin110 | And if I run ntpq -p and see no listings with a star next to it, I should find another server to sync with? |
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| 19:32.14 | jelly-home | rubin110: depends on the configuration. It starts with a small delay and exponentially increases it until a point |
| 19:32.36 | jelly-home | small ~ 8 ot 10 seconds or so |
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| 19:36.12 | RichiH | jurrehart: of course. but i want to _disable_ password auth for one user |
| 19:37.06 | jurrehart | you could change his password and give him a key :) |
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| 19:40.25 | jurrehart | Don't think there's an option to dissable pasword authenticvation only for 1 user |
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| 19:51.00 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Hello friends : ) |
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| 19:51.22 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !sunday |
| 19:51.23 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 19:51.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :P |
| 19:51.48 | xyan | RichiH: man sshd_config see the description for Match, you could use "Match user somebody" and disable password auth for that user |
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| 19:52.05 | scyrma_ | update-grub is taking an amazingly long time to complete and I can't decide whether it crashed or not.. |
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| 19:54.36 | RichiH | scyrma_: update-grub takes ages |
| 19:54.39 | RichiH | and then some |
| 19:55.00 | scyrma_ | RichiH: this is new, no? it wasn't so bad before... (or was I sleeping?) |
| 19:55.01 | RichiH | on the plus side, it eats gobs of cpu so you can see if it's still active |
| 19:55.32 | RichiH | scyrma_: ever since grub 2 came around, it's been slow as molasses |
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| 20:00.07 | thenthenio | hello, I can't figure out how mailq command disappeared from my system... what package should contain it? |
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| 20:01.53 | scyrma_ | thenthenio: on mine, it's provided by postfix |
| 20:02.15 | scyrma_ | but it could be in exim, if it's still the default mta installed by debian |
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| 20:06.41 | crypted | anyone know of a good http-based system for storing/accessing member information for nonprofit orgs? |
| 20:07.05 | rubin110 | crypted: There are a couple free php based solutions for churches. |
| 20:07.12 | pickcoder | crypted: any of the CMS packages can do that and more |
| 20:07.18 | rubin110 | They all kind of suck in their own special way. |
| 20:07.31 | crypted | any recommendations as to where to find or which to use? |
| 20:07.32 | deathstr0ke | Hello, I have this problem when I run 'aptitude upgrade' (I already ran 'aptitude update') - http://pastebin.com/Y19uPwRa |
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| 20:07.38 | crypted | need something free as we dont make money or really use fees |
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| 20:08.18 | rubin110 | crypted: http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Hackerspace_Software |
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| 20:09.17 | crypted | dont see anything of that nature there |
| 20:09.31 | rubin110 | crypted: Look into Hackerspaces OS. |
| 20:10.10 | crypted | ah |
| 20:10.15 | crypted | interesting small feature list |
| 20:10.19 | crypted | shall do |
| 20:10.46 | stew | deathstr0ke: libisc50 is the problem. That's a package not in debian. any idea where it came from? |
| 20:10.54 | stew | deathstr0ke: what version of libisc50 is installed? |
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| 20:12.19 | deathstr0ke | stew: libisc50 - 1:9.6.1.dfsg.P3-1 , no idea where it came from |
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| 20:12.47 | deathstr0ke | stew: It says it's a binary used with BIND |
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| 20:16.03 | btwotch | hi, I installed user-mode-linux and created an image via debootstrap; it runs well unless ip-tun; it can't find the right module; which package do I have to install to get a working tun-module? |
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| 20:17.12 | stew | deathstr0ke: well, its been repaced by libisc52 which was replacd by libisc60. What, if anything do you have installed that depends on libisc50? |
| 20:18.07 | deathstr0ke | stew: I will try to purge it & will report back, thank you! |
| 20:18.37 | stew | deathstr0ke: what does "aptitude search '~i~Dlibisc50'" return? |
| 20:20.10 | deathstr0ke | stew: This - http://pastebin.com/EMmkkm2h |
| 20:21.16 | stew | deathstr0ke: what versions of those packages are installed? |
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| 20:21.29 | stew | deathstr0ke: seems like this must have been an imporoper upgrade to lenny from a previous version |
| 20:21.42 | stew | deathstr0ke: what version of dnsutils is installed, for instance? |
| 20:22.00 | wireddd | I need to move everything off of my 1.5tb drive onto a 320gig drive |
| 20:22.20 | deathstr0ke | dnsutils - 1:9.7.1.dfsg.P2-2 |
| 20:22.32 | stew | judd: versions dnsutils |
| 20:22.34 | judd | dnsutils -- etch: 1:9.3.4-2etch6; etch-security: 1:9.3.4-2etch6; lenny: 1:9.6.ESV.R1+dfsg-0+lenny2; lenny-security: 1:9.6.ESV.R1+dfsg-0+lenny2; lenny-backports: 1:9.7.1.dfsg.P2-2~bpo50+1; sid: 1:9.7.1.dfsg.P2-2; squeeze: 1:9.7.1.dfsg.P2-2 |
| 20:22.43 | wireddd | I only have partitions using up the first 250 gigs or so |
| 20:22.49 | stew | on, its a unstable/stable mix |
| 20:23.04 | wireddd | is there an easy way to do this, or do I just need to use dd or something |
| 20:23.06 | deathstr0ke | It's testing |
| 20:23.25 | deathstr0ke | and I try to avoid pulling anything from sid as far as possible |
| 20:24.47 | deathstr0ke | wireddd: You could use 'rsync -av', then when everything is properly backed-up and tested, rm |
| 20:25.18 | btwotch | has anybody any idea where I can ask (e.g. another irc-channel) about this uml-thing? |
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| 20:26.26 | scyrma_ | RichiH: thanks for the cpu hint for update-grub.. made me find out that os-prober was the one hanging the whole thing |
| 20:26.33 | scyrma_ | I moved it out of the way and it's all working fine now. |
| 20:27.02 | scyrma_ | can't find a bug about it on bugs.d.o ... usually means the error is on my side :P |
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| 20:29.28 | RichiH | scyrma_: there is one |
| 20:29.37 | RichiH | but other than "update-grub sucks |
| 20:30.00 | RichiH | " "we know" "so?" "we will try to make things better" there is not much to be seen |
| 20:30.39 | wireddd | deathstr0ke, that will take too long |
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| 20:31.00 | vsmatck | Hm. Updated to squeeze. My radeon 9200 using direct rendering but it's using a software rasterization now. |
| 20:31.06 | vsmatck | Anyone else encounter this? |
| 20:31.27 | deathstr0ke | wireddd: yes, but I don't know of an easier and safe option |
| 20:32.22 | scyrma_ | RichiH: hmm. do you know the bug number? |
| 20:32.30 | jelly-hme | wireddd: dd _is_ the easy way, if you can verify and confirm you're not using blocks above the 320GB mark |
| 20:33.27 | RichiH | scyrma_: sorry, no |
| 20:33.42 | scyrma_ | hey, speaking about dd .. I was looking for a way to make a virtualbox image out of my ntfs partition... |
| 20:33.52 | scyrma_ | RichiH: no worries, I'll look :) |
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| 20:39.26 | thewanderer1 | is it just me or does Debian really have a Software Center? |
| 20:39.35 | thewanderer1 | GNOME just pulled that in on Squeeze... |
| 20:40.12 | crypted | okay ive installed subversion, how would i download a package with it? |
| 20:40.17 | crypted | i dont see an executable anywhere |
| 20:40.17 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: there's all sorts of ubuntu-specific software uploaded to debian. Its usefulness may vary. |
| 20:40.42 | jelly-hme | crypted: it's called "svn" |
| 20:41.04 | DDRP | svn > * |
| 20:41.42 | crypted | gracias |
| 20:41.43 | thewanderer1 | ^ yes, but 'greater' is not always faster :) |
| 20:42.04 | thewanderer1 | where would I get an NX server for Debian? |
| 20:42.40 | DDRP | I only dislike svn when it gives me weird ass conflicts and my local tree is updated stuff |
| 20:42.46 | DDRP | otherwise, it works well for me |
| 20:42.56 | jelly-hme | all the news kinds use git |
| 20:42.58 | jelly-hme | kids* |
| 20:43.05 | DDRP | kids-- |
| 20:43.06 | jelly-hme | and new* :-| |
| 20:43.46 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: I have no idea, but, have you tried /msg dpkg nx |
| 20:43.58 | DDRP | We recently nearly came to blows at work over svn... they're decided to move to hg but atm we still have most stuff in svn |
| 20:44.01 | grishnav | hi |
| 20:44.41 | wireddd | jelly, ok |
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| 20:49.57 | jhutchins_lt | !opera |
| 20:49.57 | dpkg | Opera is a cross-platform web browser and Internet suite, which handles common tasks including visiting web sites and sending/receiving e-mail. Opera is Freeware (>= version 8.5), but NOT Open-Source. It is not included in Debian and therefore not supported by #debian. To install, ask me about <opera apt> and see http://wiki.debian.org/Opera . http://www.opera.com/support/ #opera on irc.opera.com. |
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| 20:53.26 | btwotch | just for the log :) - to get the kernel-modules you just have to copy them out of /usr/lib/uml/modules into the uml-system |
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| 20:55.53 | thewanderer1 | can't you compile them inside? |
| 20:56.18 | btwotch | I wanna use the debian-packages :) |
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| 20:57.04 | jelly-hme | btwotch: you could just mount that directory inside uml |
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| 20:57.40 | vsmatck | hm, interesting. glxinfo says direct rendering enabled.. Xorg.0.log says direct rendering disabled. |
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| 20:59.09 | btwotch | jelly-hme: I am not using hostfs |
| 20:59.25 | thewanderer1 | I've given GNOME 1GB of memory and what? it ran out of memory and applets are screaming... |
| 20:59.53 | thewanderer1 | getting memory allocation errors all over the place |
| 21:00.07 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: "given?" |
| 21:00.28 | thewanderer1 | as in "the virtual environment has this much" |
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| 21:00.58 | thewanderer1 | only running GNOME over openssh-server, rsyslogd and getty here |
| 21:01.37 | thewanderer1 | ye flippin gods, this thing is segfaulting :P |
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| 21:03.55 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: 32bit or 64bit installation? |
| 21:04.14 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: the former may be a bit more frugal. |
| 21:04.18 | thewanderer1 | amd64 |
| 21:04.30 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: yeah, try i386 then |
| 21:04.41 | thewanderer1 | I'm on a 2GB laptop right now and it runs just fine |
| 21:05.01 | jelly-hme | I mean, try i386 in your 1GB virtual environment |
| 21:05.07 | lukosanthropos | is away (Goodbye) |
| 21:05.33 | thewanderer1 | I really doubt these few megs would make a difference... something is wrong here |
| 21:05.56 | jelly-hme | *shrug* |
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| 21:08.42 | thewanderer1 | funny... running "gnome-session" remotely over SSH screwed up my local display - changed my laptop's screen backlight and removed a few icons from the panel at random :P |
| 21:09.04 | thewanderer1 | how cool |
| 21:09.10 | thewanderer1 | 2GB is not enough, still |
| 21:09.25 | magyarlatin | thewanderer1, what for? |
| 21:09.36 | thewanderer1 | `gnome-session` |
| 21:09.50 | thewanderer1 | it still bails out with "Cannot allocate memory" :P |
| 21:10.03 | magyarlatin | thewanderer1, o_O you mean gnome desktop evironment? |
| 21:10.21 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 21:10.48 | thewanderer1 | the best thing is, as soon as I removed the volume control applet, mem usage is down to sth like 200MB |
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| 21:11.01 | thewanderer1 | let's try restarting all that... |
| 21:11.10 | magyarlatin | thewanderer1, omg are you running sid? |
| 21:11.35 | thewanderer1 | no, squeeze only |
| 21:11.54 | magyarlatin | its weird, I hadnt any issues with gnome |
| 21:12.04 | thewanderer1 | perhaps you weren't running it virtualized |
| 21:12.05 | magyarlatin | its my favorite desktop environment |
| 21:12.14 | magyarlatin | yes, of course |
| 21:12.19 | thewanderer1 | it apparently doesn't like not being able to write/read some devices |
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| 21:12.31 | magyarlatin | wich VM are you using? |
| 21:12.36 | magyarlatin | which |
| 21:12.40 | thewanderer1 | OpenVZ |
| 21:12.48 | thewanderer1 | yeah, definitely sound problems. |
| 21:12.48 | magyarlatin | mmmm rather prefer Xen |
| 21:12.55 | thewanderer1 | I don't want to virtualize this |
| 21:13.08 | thewanderer1 | a container would be good for me... |
| 21:13.27 | magyarlatin | yeah, I havent virtualized it with OpenVZ |
| 21:13.42 | magyarlatin | tryed once but didnt work for me |
| 21:13.50 | magyarlatin | went back to Xen :P |
| 21:13.51 | thewanderer1 | it seems to consume infinite memory when launching it with sound support |
| 21:13.59 | thewanderer1 | now, how to rip off sound support from GNOME... |
| 21:14.10 | magyarlatin | mmm, may i suggest you someting? |
| 21:15.15 | thewanderer1 | sure |
| 21:15.20 | magyarlatin | uninstall all the gnome packages you have installed and start from the minimal |
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| 21:15.33 | magyarlatin | install: gnome-core |
| 21:15.34 | thewanderer1 | er... just removed alsa |
| 21:16.45 | thewanderer1 | note to self: forwarding X to the local display while GNOME is running will replace local GNOME settings will remote GNOME settings... |
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| 21:18.45 | wuffi600 | ManxPower: :) ; i'm looking for a softphone, free of charge.. |
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| 21:19.18 | thewanderer1 | ekiga? |
| 21:20.05 | thewanderer1 | (ekiga.net provides free SIP) |
| 21:20.48 | Bushmills | kphone (in spite of its name, this is not a kde prog) |
| 21:22.46 | thewanderer1 | yeah, GNOME really seems to be unusable now with the full suite of packages on OpenV |
| 21:22.50 | thewanderer1 | OpenVZ |
| 21:23.39 | thewanderer1 | will leave this fun for tomorrow - throws another Debian install into /dev/null and goes to sleep |
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| 21:30.18 | thewanderer1 | if I have a /dir1 and I do: ln -s / /dir1/trap && rm -rf /dir1/trap, do I remove everything? |
| 21:30.38 | thewanderer1 | (or rather: rm -rf /dir1) |
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| 21:32.00 | magyarlatin | thewanderer1, nope, its just remove the soft link |
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| 21:32.22 | jhutchins | STILL getting 98% cpu in konversation! |
| 21:32.48 | magyarlatin | thewanderer1, rather use rm -r /dir1 if you want to remove the directory |
| 21:32.58 | magyarlatin | and everything in it |
| 21:33.13 | do0ob | hi |
| 21:33.41 | thewanderer1 | yeah, but some very wise script was using rm -rf :P |
| 21:33.52 | thewanderer1 | alright, thanks guys |
| 21:34.03 | magyarlatin | thewanderer1, quite dangerous wise script :P |
| 21:34.18 | do0ob | after booting the system and entering the passphrase of the encrypted volume, as the system starts to boot the screen turns off, the graphics card is rock solid, nvidia 8600GS |
| 21:35.02 | do0ob | its long before xorg is started, its when the console is initialsed i think |
| 21:36.01 | ikanobori | What. |
| 21:36.13 | ikanobori | My shell autocompletes 'git', my package manager says it's installed. |
| 21:36.14 | ikanobori | BUT |
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| 21:36.27 | ikanobori | whereis/which say nothing and when I execute it, it says: "not found". |
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| 21:36.56 | jhutchins | ikanobori: iirc whereis doesn't find it until updatedb has been run, but which should. |
| 21:37.15 | do0ob | ikanobori: is git-core installed? |
| 21:37.30 | jhutchins | ikanobori: dpkg -L git* should show you where the biaries are. |
| 21:37.30 | ikanobori | Ya. |
| 21:37.39 | ikanobori | I have a whole slew of things in /usr/bin |
| 21:37.45 | ikanobori | Starting with git* |
| 21:37.54 | ikanobori | Anyway, reinstall of core fixed it. |
| 21:38.13 | ikanobori | Oh right, the broken version. |
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| 21:38.33 | cybor0 | hello |
| 21:38.52 | cybor0 | aptitude: symbol lookup error: aptitude: undefined symbol: sqlite3_db_mutex somehelp |
| 21:39.11 | thenthenio | hello, I can't figure out how mailq command disappeared from my system... what package should contain it? |
| 21:39.41 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | can anyone tell me if Debian Live can be used as an installable media to install Debian too? |
| 21:40.36 | cybor0 | thenthenio use apt-file search mailq |
| 21:40.46 | thenthenio | k |
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| 21:41.11 | jelly-hme | sh4d3sl4y3r_: not using the debian-installer way of installation, however one can use debootstrap. |
| 21:41.25 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok |
| 21:41.26 | cybor0 | some help apache2: Syntax error on line 185 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 2 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/dav_svn.load: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_dav_svn.so into server: /usr/lib/libsvn_subr-1.so.1: undefined symbol: sqlite3_config |
| 21:42.26 | jelly-hme | cybor0: which debian release is that? |
| 21:42.36 | cybor0 | squeeze |
| 21:43.00 | jelly-hme | sounds like something broke your sqlite libraries, cybor0 |
| 21:43.30 | thenthenio | how to reinstall exim4 |
| 21:43.32 | thenthenio | ? |
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| 21:43.39 | cybor0 | so jelly-hme so how repairt it |
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| 21:43.51 | jelly-hme | cybor0: see if there's a newer version in sid already, or file a bug |
| 21:44.17 | jelly-hme | cybor0: typically a breakage like this gets sorted in a couple days time |
| 21:44.39 | cybor0 | thenthenio dpkg-reconfigure eximt4-config |
| 21:45.22 | cybor0 | so i should install sqlite from sit |
| 21:45.29 | cybor0 | sid |
| 21:45.51 | streuner_ | thenthenio: apt-get --reinstall install <package>? |
| 21:48.08 | cybor0 | jelly-hme it dosen't help |
| 21:48.31 | jelly-hme | cybor0: what doesn't help? |
| 21:49.05 | cybor0 | jelly-hme install sqlite3 package from sid |
| 21:49.19 | jelly-hme | cybor0: did you figure out which file and package get used by aptitude and /usr/lib/libsvn_subr-1.so.1, and upgrade that one? |
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| 21:50.30 | Deepa | apt-file is useful |
| 21:50.42 | thenthenio | streuner_: I reinstalled exm4 but mailq is still missing... |
| 21:51.10 | streuner_ | thenthenio: what stops you to install mailq? |
| 21:51.25 | streuner_ | dpkg, info mailq |
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| 21:52.12 | streuner_ | dpkg> Package 'mailq' does not exist. |
| 21:52.13 | dpkg | streuner_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 21:52.35 | thenthenio | mailq disappeared from my system, it should be into exim4 package, I reinstalled iexim4 but mailq is still missing |
| 21:53.40 | cybor0 | thenthenio exim4-daemon-heavy: |
| 21:54.01 | thenthenio | ? ? |
| 21:54.08 | streuner_ | exim4-daemon-light: /usr/bin/mailq |
| 21:54.16 | jelly-hme | cybor0: use ldd on a binary to figure out which sqlite-related library it's linked against. Find which package that sqlite library file belongs to. Then see if there's a newer version of that package. Read its changelog first, it might point your issue is fixed, or not. |
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| 21:54.32 | streuner_ | thenthenio: listen to cybor0 amset:/tmp# apt-file search mailq |
| 21:54.45 | jelly-hme | or |
| 21:54.47 | streuner_ | thenthenio: exim4-daemon-light: /usr/bin/mailq |
| 21:55.16 | jelly-hme | /msg judd file usr/bin/mailq |
| 21:57.06 | thenthenio | mmm I think mailq is linked to exim4... |
| 21:57.27 | streuner_ | you mean its in the depends |
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| 21:57.38 | thenthenio | ln -s /usr/sbin/exim4 /usr/sbin/mailq |
| 21:57.48 | cybor0 | jelly-hme this /usr/lib/libsvn_subr-1.so.1 belongs to libsvn1 package |
| 21:58.13 | streuner_ | thenthenio: strange, yes |
| 21:58.38 | streuner_ | thenthenio: Depends: debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, debconf (>= 1.4.69) | cdebconf (>= 0.39), exim4-base (>= 4.69), exim4-daemon-light | exim4-daemon-heavy | exim4-daemon-custom |
| 21:59.44 | jelly-hme | cybor0: use ldd on it, or on /usr/bin/aptitude. find which sqlite-related library they are linked against. |
| 22:00.04 | streuner_ | thenthenio: maybe it installed another package which doesnt has mailq in it |
| 22:00.25 | jelly-hme | cybor0: run "ldd /usr/lib/libsvn_subr-1.so.1" |
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| 22:00.55 | streuner_ | thenthenio: 3 options satisfing the depends... |
| 22:01.53 | cybor0 | jelly-hme |
| 22:01.56 | cybor0 | libsqlite3.so.0 => /usr/lib/libsqlite3.so.0 (0x00002af0728b8000) |
| 22:02.24 | jelly-hme | cybor0: now figure out which package /usr/lib/libsqlite3.so.0 belongs to |
| 22:03.07 | cybor0 | jelly-hme libsqlite3-0 |
| 22:03.32 | simonrvn | ,info libsqlite3-0 |
| 22:03.35 | judd | libsqlite3-0 (libs, standard): SQLite 3 shared library. Version: 3.5.9-6; Size: 238.8k; Installed: 468k |
| 22:03.43 | simonrvn | ,versions libsqlite3-0 |
| 22:03.45 | judd | libsqlite3-0 -- etch: 3.3.8-1.1; lenny: 3.5.9-6; lenny-backports: 3.6.21-2~bpo50+1; sid: 3.7.2-1; squeeze: 3.7.2-1 |
| 22:04.04 | cybor0 | and i have Version: 3.7.2-1 |
| 22:04.46 | jelly-hme | cybor0: file a bug against it, severity Grave, state it breaks your aptitude and apache modules. |
| 22:05.30 | jelly-hme | cybor0: before that, verify your installed copy isn't corrupted in some way and just reinstall it, if it is |
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| 22:10.05 | jelly-hme | cybor0: debsums can help with the verification part. |
| 22:11.35 | cybor0 | jelly-hme oki |
| 22:11.38 | cybor0 | thx |
| 22:13.24 | jelly-hme | cybor0: if just one file randomly decided to get corrupted, it may indicate hardware issues (RAM or HDD) |
| 22:13.57 | cybor0 | jekky-hme i don't understand i reinstall dpkg -i libsqlite3-0_3.7.2-1_amd64.deb and everything is ok |
| 22:14.26 | cybor0 | jelly-hme |
| 22:15.00 | jelly-hme | cybor0: did you test the previous installation with debsums? |
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| 22:15.58 | cybor0 | no |
| 22:16.19 | cybor0 | i do it before you write me it |
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| 22:17.08 | synackfin | the grub.deb post-install is trying to write to my MBR - how do I avoid it from doing so? |
| 22:17.54 | cybor0 | jelly-hme thenks for help |
| 22:17.58 | jelly-hme | cybor0: /usr/lib/libsqlite3.so.0 got corrupted somehow, you reinstalled the original one. |
| 22:18.00 | streuner_ | whats the reason why you dont want it? |
| 22:18.58 | streuner_ | bootloader usually do that and its mostly helpful |
| 22:19.03 | jelly-hme | cybor0: at this point, I can only repeat: if just one file randomly decided to get corrupted, it may indicate hardware issues (RAM or HDD). |
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| 22:19.45 | cybor0 | jelly-hme maybe you have right but it isn;t my machine it is vps |
| 22:20.35 | jelly-hme | cybor0: and now you overwrote the evidence for possible hw issues. ;-) |
| 22:20.58 | streuner_ | synackfin: well, i dont know any option if you going to install a deb not using postinst |
| 22:21.40 | streuner_ | synackfin: or you alternate the postinst in the deb itself |
| 22:22.02 | cybor0 | jelly-hme one more time thenx and i must go have nice day |
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| 22:23.08 | synackfin | streuner_: hmm, I wonder why its postinst doesn't just spit out instructions rather than trying to update the mbr |
| 22:23.26 | streuner_ | its the nature of bootloaders |
| 22:24.46 | streuner_ | its another thing if the maint just give you in the install process infos |
| 22:25.11 | streuner_ | synackfin: well, i dont unterstand |
| 22:25.17 | streuner_ | still* |
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| 22:27.03 | streuner_ | synackfin: grub is created to be easy for users, and in most cases its the truth |
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| 22:28.22 | synackfin | streuner_: I guess I just like .deb installs to be restricted to my chroot'd environment and not touch other devices |
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| 22:35.20 | dserban | using slim and other minimal graphical tidbits, I find myself having to learn how the xserver works, which man pages apply to .xinitrc, .xsession and others? or is there a good document online that can walk me through to the path of enlightenment? |
| 22:36.24 | MrFrood | dserban: did you sort out you x-terminal-emulator problem? |
| 22:36.36 | dserban | MrFrood: aye, that worked wonders, thanks! |
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| 22:36.57 | MrFrood | kewl :D |
| 22:37.01 | dserban | I even learned how to search/replace using ranges in vim :) |
| 22:37.21 | MrFrood | vim is wonderful like that |
| 22:37.52 | dserban | been using it for ages, but I didn't know i could specify a range. |
| 22:38.12 | MrFrood | you never stop leaning with vim |
| 22:38.24 | MrFrood | *learning |
| 22:38.47 | ikanobori | Now break out your arrow keys. |
| 22:38.54 | ikanobori | Or rebind them to 'sl', 'cowsay' etc. |
| 22:40.09 | MrFrood | dserban: I don't know if this is of any help but I use slim and I just have my ~/.xinitrc simlinked to my ~/.xsessionrc |
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| 22:43.13 | dserban | MrFrood: oh you do? So then they're equivalent... hmm, my mouse isn't displayed after I login with slim, I've set it to hidecursor false, and once I start a program via the keyboard, I get a cursor. is that slim or my wm behaving badly? |
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| 22:44.22 | dserban | there, now I can detach with tmux :) |
| 22:44.38 | MrFrood | I'm guessing wm as I don't have that issue with dwm & slim (I use unclutter to hide the mouse) |
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| 22:44.58 | dserban | ah |
| 22:46.25 | do0ob | i've just installed kdm and kde-plasma-desktop and nvidia drivers |
| 22:46.33 | do0ob | but there is no Xorg ... |
| 22:47.14 | MrFrood | dserban: as far as I am aware the hidecursor option is only for the login screen anyway |
| 22:47.41 | dserban | MrFrood: it's what I thought, though I thought I read that it affects wm's as well somehow. |
| 22:47.44 | MrFrood | do0ob: so install xorg |
| 22:47.58 | dserban | No matter, I found out that I can call xcursor in .xsession with your information, and now it just works. |
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| 22:48.41 | do0ob | MrFrood: i was trying to find the laternative to Xorg, something like a newer flashier/experimental xorg, or xgl or something like that |
| 22:48.44 | MrFrood | :) |
| 22:49.16 | dserban | do0ob: ?? what alternative? |
| 22:49.43 | do0ob | dserban: i don't know, why would kde be installed without xorg unless there was a choice between a few servers |
| 22:49.56 | do0ob | maybe a lite version or xorg or something? |
| 22:50.27 | MrFrood | do0ob: the xorg package is the xorg package there is no real alternative package if you want a pretty gui |
| 22:52.16 | MrFrood | do0ob: if you know what you are doing (ie read all the documentation) it might be possible to just install the parts of the xorg meta package that you actually need but I have not a clue whatt that would be |
| 22:53.23 | MrFrood | wm's are installed without X because if you are usng them on a remote machine the remote machine will not need X |
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| 22:54.32 | MrFrood | just the local machine that is displaying them |
| 22:56.24 | do0ob | oh i see |
| 22:56.32 | do0ob | thanks for that insight |
| 22:56.46 | do0ob | i need an xorg.conf for nvidia, its as if its not even being read |
| 22:57.19 | jelly-hme | wait, so you installed kde-plasma-desktop but are worried xord metapackage is bloat? |
| 22:57.26 | jelly-hme | xorg* |
| 22:57.35 | MrFrood | there are alternatives, e.g. I know slitaz does not use xorg but that is about as much as I know |
| 22:57.37 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 22:57.40 | jelly-hme | srsly |
| 22:57.59 | do0ob | jelly-hme: no, i was wondering why xorg wasn't a dependency of kdm |
| 22:58.07 | do0ob | or kde-plasma-desktop |
| 22:58.24 | do0ob | i didn't want to install kde-standard because i don't want dragonplayer, smplayer is what i use |
| 22:58.26 | simonrvn | why should it? MrFrood gave the reason already. and it's not just WMs. |
| 22:58.30 | jelly-hme | do0ob: kdm can serve as a remote (xdmcp protocol) login manager |
| 22:58.53 | jelly-hme | do0ob: it doesn't require X server be run on that exact machine |
| 22:59.40 | MrFrood | the power of the network eh? |
| 22:59.49 | do0ob | i had Xorg.conf rather than xorg.conf, fixed now |
| 23:00.06 | simonrvn | ... |
| 23:00.08 | do0ob | MrFrood: thats a lot of power |
| 23:00.18 | do0ob | so kdm runs on the remote machine's x server? |
| 23:00.24 | simonrvn | no |
| 23:00.36 | do0ob | vnc clinet? |
| 23:00.40 | do0ob | client* |
| 23:01.29 | MrFrood | kdm would run on the remot machine but be displayed using the local xserver |
| 23:02.36 | do0ob | thanks, i'll be back soon, battery is running out on my laptop |
| 23:03.02 | MrFrood | although I think X can be run on a remote machine |
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| 23:07.06 | do0ob | back |
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| 23:09.04 | MrFrood | although I think X can be run on a remote machine |
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| 23:18.46 | do0ob | kwin --replace |
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| 23:20.25 | BuffaloSouljah | I have a Retrolink USB NES controller w/ A+B+Start+Select+D Pad & am trying to figure out why it won't work out of box in a *nix system. |
| 23:22.19 | BuffaloSouljah | lsusb brings up the following: Bus 003 Device 003: ID 0079:0011 DragonRise Inc. |
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| 23:32.43 | kurtis | Hey guys, I used xorg with root after freshly installing it and Gnome/Nautilus mounted my hard drives for me. No big deal. However, now when I use a regular user and try to access those folders, I am unable to see/mount them in Nautilus and the mount-locations (/media/...) are only accessible by root. Where should I start to fix these issues? |
| 23:39.49 | nkuttler | kurtis: check the mount point permissions? |
| 23:40.13 | nkuttler | kurtis: or, better, find the relevant logs |
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| 23:40.59 | kurtis | nkuttler: Yeah, they are owned by root. I'm assuming that even if I change those permissions, Nautilus is still having some problem because it doesn't show me my other hard drives unless I'm root |
| 23:42.55 | kurtis | But I will go ahead and give that a try. |
| 23:44.50 | kurtis | nkuttler: okay, it looks like they are still mounted by root, so the permissions thing does cause some problems. Howerver, I'm not sure why Nautilus as a normal user doesn't show my other hard drives right in "Computer" like it does when I'm logged in as root |
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| 23:54.48 | cockroach | hrm, i'm getting this http://pastebin.ca/1944622 when i connect a device via usb - any idea what might be wrong there (that's from .xsession-errors)? |
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| 23:55.07 | cockroach | (latest testing, amd64, xfce) |
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