| 00:00.02 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: does s2ram or similar work? |
| 00:00.50 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: I haven't tried suspending to ram (just don't need it). |
| 00:01.13 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: do you mean by hibernate suspend to disk? Then, does s2disk work? |
| 00:03.50 | ksx4system | yes, i mean suspending to disk. the only power management which works now is the power button (sends halt or something - Debian just gently shits down) |
| 00:04.11 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: so s2disk doesn't work? |
| 00:04.15 | dondelelcaro | (the command) |
| 00:05.16 | ksx4system | unfortunately, no. |
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| 00:05.29 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: what does it do? |
| 00:05.47 | ksx4system | "command not found" both from user and root |
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| 00:06.09 | dondelelcaro | !installit |
| 00:06.09 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 00:07.03 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: "E: Couldn't find package s2disk" strange |
| 00:07.42 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: it's part of uswsusp, the userspace software suspend bits |
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| 00:12.41 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: ok, got it. s2disk did what I expected (hibernated my laptop). now I'll try to unhibernate... |
| 00:13.33 | ksx4system | ok, it booted back to Debian. |
| 00:13.56 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: cool; then in theory, everything should work. Do you have pm-utils and acpi-support installed? |
| 00:14.52 | ksx4system | not everything works. 3G was disconnected and i can't connect again... i'll reboot and try disconnect and then s2disk |
| 00:15.20 | dondelelcaro | the network is going to be disconnected when you suspend or hibernate; nothing to be done about that |
| 00:15.30 | dondelelcaro | you may have to load an unload modules for it, or otherwise tweak it |
| 00:16.10 | ksx4system | i know. but it's something with my modem. on every laptop with various OSes it fails epicly when *not* disconnected after suspending to disk |
| 00:16.11 | dondelelcaro | in theory, network manager should know what to do, but it's complicated in practice |
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| 00:16.54 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: i have no network manager. i'm using bare bones wvdial for 3G |
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| 00:19.24 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: well, then you'll have to write all of those bits yourself |
| 00:19.28 | martian67 | hi im trying to install a backported lenny kernel, and im getting a pile of errors |
| 00:19.31 | martian67 | http://pastebin.com/uBya5uki |
| 00:19.35 | martian67 | can anybody help me out |
| 00:21.19 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: ok, s2disk and 3G work like a charm now. I have acpi-support and I'm installing pm-utils. |
| 00:22.49 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: pm-utils successfully installed. |
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| 00:26.48 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: cool, now just change /etc/acpi/lid.sh to call pm-hibernate instead of pm-suspend, and everything should work, in theory |
| 00:27.34 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: if it doesn't, you'll have to check that a lid event is actually being sent, use acpi_listen to do that |
| 00:28.04 | dondelelcaro | though you may find that pm-suspend is better than pm-hibernate; I rarely use suspend-to-disk |
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| 00:30.34 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: i think suspending to ram may not work or consume too much power - i've got *really* old laptop. |
| 00:30.44 | blahdeblah | Hi. I've got a problem with my lenny i386 system not booting. After the BIOS startup, it tries to boot from hard disk, scrolls a while and then puts an ASCII smiley face on the last line of the screen at about column 60. |
| 00:31.19 | blahdeblah | I booted from a rescue CD and it finds the RAID, LVM and file systems just fine, so i concluded GRUB had stuffed up. |
| 00:31.46 | blahdeblah | So i chrooted into the root filesystem and re-installed GRUB, but it gives the same result |
| 00:32.12 | blahdeblah | I looked at the md5sums from my system and my backups, and found that /boot/grub/stage2 was different |
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| 00:32.26 | blahdeblah | So i copied that into place and re-installed the boot sector with grub, but still no joy. |
| 00:32.28 | blahdeblah | Any ideas? |
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| 00:38.04 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: ah; well, it usually works, but if you have old batteries too, it's probably not worth it |
| 00:38.22 | blahdeblah | Picture of weirdness here: http://gear.dyndns.org/~paulgear/images/IMG_2939.JPG |
| 00:38.34 | blahdeblah | Note the smiley face at the bottom right. |
| 00:39.12 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah: you might find an image paste site works better in the future... your connection is very slow. |
| 00:39.23 | blahdeblah | dondelelcaro: yeah well |
| 00:39.38 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: new battery (extended capacity, not less than 2,5hrs) was sent to me, I will have it probably on monday. :-) |
| 00:39.41 | blahdeblah | I'm on the wrong end of an ADSL connection |
| 00:39.48 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah: yerp |
| 00:40.58 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah: there should be more output than that; did grub actually load? |
| 00:41.06 | blahdeblah | That IS grub loading |
| 00:41.16 | blahdeblah | That's why i suspected a corrupted stage 2 |
| 00:41.43 | blahdeblah | If i boot the same system from CD, it works perfectly, so it's obviously some crap at the start of the hard disk |
| 00:42.06 | dondelelcaro | oh, this must be grub 2 |
| 00:42.08 | blahdeblah | However, it does it with both disks in the RAID set, so it must be software rather than hardware corruption |
| 00:42.12 | blahdeblah | No, it's grub 0.97 |
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| 00:42.17 | dondelelcaro | hrm; weird |
| 00:42.22 | dondelelcaro | that's a loading error I haven't seen |
| 00:42.40 | blahdeblah | me too |
| 00:43.04 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah: and /boot isn't on lvm or the raids, right? |
| 00:43.42 | blahdeblah | It's on a software RAID 1 |
| 00:44.00 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: by the way my /etc/acpi/lid.sh does not call pm-hibernate nor pm-suspend. http://pastebin.org/953992 |
| 00:44.10 | blahdeblah | The weird thing is that it's been working fine ever since sarge (or maybe early etch days - not sure which) |
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| 00:44.51 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: sorry, it's /etc/acpi/sleep.sh |
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| 00:46.22 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah: and /boot isn't on lvm, right? |
| 00:46.40 | dondelelcaro | (it's fine if /boot is raid1, so long as it's not lvm) |
| 00:47.06 | Gm4n | how do I make sure my grub configuration is correct? I'm getting "Error 15: File not found" from grub when I try and boot :( |
| 00:47.47 | dondelelcaro | Gm4n: that usually means that you're referencing a kernel or initrd which doesn't exist in your grub configuration |
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| 00:49.28 | Gm4n | I'm getting this: http://picpaste.com/page1-wwTTz7d5.jpeg |
| 00:49.34 | blahdeblah | dondelelcaro: Yep, boot on ext3 straight on RAID |
| 00:49.48 | Gm4n | I'm trying to boot linux off my non-primary hard drive |
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| 00:50.24 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah: ok, that error really looks like it's grub2, not grub1... but anyway, boot off of a cd, and rerun grub-install, and see what happens. |
| 00:50.38 | blahdeblah | Already done that |
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| 00:50.50 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah: and it's still giving you that same error? Are you really sure this is grub 0.97? |
| 00:50.54 | blahdeblah | yes |
| 00:51.04 | blahdeblah | absolutely sure - i even double checked with dpkg |
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| 00:51.18 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah: do you have grub-pc installed? |
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| 00:51.27 | blahdeblah | It's the strangest grub error i've ever seen, but i'm pretty sure it's still a corrupt stage2 file |
| 00:51.32 | Gm4n | !paste |
| 00:51.39 | blahdeblah | I just did another md5sum and it looks like my copy failed somehow |
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| 00:51.46 | blahdeblah | Just gonna update it and try again. |
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| 00:52.37 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 00:52.48 | streuner_ | lol |
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| 00:54.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | !lol |
| 00:54.26 | Gm4n | my menu.lst is this: http://debian.pastebin.com/RBEsbEML. Lenny boots, grub complains when I try and boot squeeze. What's wrong with my config? |
| 00:55.22 | blahdeblah | Victory! I restored my stage2 from backup via a USB stick, and it got to the menu successfully. |
| 00:55.28 | blahdeblah | I suspect i have some bad sectors on my drives - they are long overdue for replacement anyway. |
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| 00:56.51 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 00:57.23 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: so i should edit "suspendorhibernate suspend" part of http://pastebin.org/954222 to "hibernate" instead of "suspend"? |
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| 00:58.20 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: hrm; that's a different version, but yeah, I think that's what you need to change |
| 00:59.10 | blahdeblah | dondelelcaro: And just to prove i'm not crazy: http://debian.pastebin.com/N6MqwW6V |
| 00:59.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gm4n, istn't the "root" keyword saying which device you install on? so you put this in two different boot sectors....? |
| 00:59.39 | Gm4n | the bottom one is the pre-existing entry (the one that works) |
| 00:59.48 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: no, it specifies what / is in the grub configuration |
| 01:00.01 | dondelelcaro | Gm4n: and /dev/sdb1 is /boot in the lenny configuration? |
| 01:00.25 | Gm4n | lenny is the bottom one, and /boot is sda6 |
| 01:00.30 | dondelelcaro | (you don't really need separate /boot devices, btw, but whatever works) |
| 01:00.39 | dondelelcaro | Gm4n: err, I mean in the squeeze configuration |
| 01:00.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, all right |
| 01:01.10 | Gm4n | ooh, point... it's all in one partition, so it's /boot/vmlinuz |
| 01:01.18 | Gm4n | hopefully this'll do it :) |
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| 01:02.46 | blahdeblah | dondelelcaro: in Gm4n's configuration (hd1,1) would be /dev/sdb2. So fixing the path should be the right approach |
| 01:02.59 | blahdeblah | If there's no separate /boot |
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| 01:03.34 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah: yes... that's why I was asking what /boot was... |
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| 01:03.52 | Gm4n | thanks to both of you :) now on to debugging the next issue (still isn't booting, heh) |
| 01:04.00 | blahdeblah | dondelelcaro: Well thanks for your help on my system |
| 01:04.11 | blahdeblah | It is certainly the weirdest grub output i've ever seen |
| 01:04.25 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah: yeah, I'm almost certain that was grub2 output, though |
| 01:04.41 | blahdeblah | Read my pastebin |
| 01:04.44 | blahdeblah | It's not |
| 01:04.44 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah: since it's a pretty common odd error to get with grub2 (and it doesn't match anything in the grub2 manual) |
| 01:04.53 | blahdeblah | Grub2 has never touched this system |
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| 01:05.06 | dondelelcaro | ah, it's the lenny version; good |
| 01:05.51 | dondelelcaro | the version in squeeze is a transition package which has similar numbering, so it's not enough that grub is 0.97 |
| 01:06.01 | dondelelcaro | are you running windows 7 or something too? |
| 01:06.17 | blahdeblah | no |
| 01:06.30 | dondelelcaro | hrm; very odd |
| 01:06.58 | blahdeblah | I have 12 functional PCs in this house, and only one (the kids' old games machine) has Windows. :-) |
| 01:07.51 | dondelelcaro | yeah, I don't own any |
| 01:08.00 | DDRP | hah... pretty much the same as my lot.... a cluster of a ton of Debian machines |
| 01:08.22 | blahdeblah | At least 4 of them have valid Windows licenses, but no Windows |
| 01:08.58 | blahdeblah | Ubuntu on laptops & wife's desktop, Debian on servers is my usual approach... |
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| 01:10.23 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: this one does not work too :( laptop just ignores it. |
| 01:11.57 | DDRP | I ran Ubuntu on my desktop until a month ago, now I' running Debian/Lenny |
| 01:12.52 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: editing lid.sh in some ways do nothing too. :( |
| 01:13.48 | ksx4system | unfortunately, hibernation (suspend to disk) is *essential* feature for me |
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| 01:17.21 | Gm4n | does grub 1 understand md/v1.x metadata? (mdadm is warning me) |
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| 01:20.06 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: does a lid event get reported when you close the lid? use acpi_listen to find out |
| 01:20.20 | dondelelcaro | (not all laptops have lid sensors, though almost all do) |
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| 01:21.52 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: this one has lid sensor (it worked under winshit) |
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| 01:23.47 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: acpi_listen displayed this: http://pastebin.org/954763 |
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| 01:35.13 | karamorf | I failed during my last attempt to install debian. however the only thing I couldn't make happen was setting up the boot partition. what doc should I read to figure out how to only install that part (if possible)? |
| 01:36.12 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: right, that all looks good |
| 01:38.31 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: but still does not work :( |
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| 01:39.30 | JasonWoof | Hi, I'm the upstream maintainer for vor, which got bumped to non-free because its graphics are rendered with non-free povray. I intend to switch renderers, but I want to make sure I switch to an acceptable one |
| 01:39.55 | JasonWoof | do I have to use one that's in main? |
| 01:40.05 | newsense | anyone know how to get usb drive working in a KVM VM, i tried adding the usb drive with vendor and product id to the xml but it still isn't detected under windows xp ? |
| 01:40.24 | JasonWoof | specifically, can I use luxrender, which is not packaged for debian (except an old version in experimental) |
| 01:41.01 | JasonWoof | note that all releases contain the graphics already rendered, so this renderer is only needed if you want to edit the graphics in the "preferred way" |
| 01:41.26 | qq- | !tell JasonWoof -about mentor |
| 01:41.38 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: yes, that's fine, but you're seeing the lid requests, which is the first part |
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| 01:45.20 | qq- | JasonWoof, see #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 01:45.44 | belak | Hi, I'm using LMDE and I was wondering how I can set debian to use my clock as local time in stead of GMT? |
| 01:45.47 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: and /etc/acpi/events/lid has event=button/lid and action=/etc/acpi/actions/sleep.sh %s; or similar, right? |
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| 01:48.14 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: file /etc/acpi/events/lid does not exists. |
| 01:48.30 | Parabola | Hey guys, I'm having issues with a single user account, i keep getting segmentation fault errors when I SSH |
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| 01:48.53 | Parabola | i can ssh fine as root, or the other user account, but this one it seg faults every time :( |
| 01:49.12 | Parabola | ive been trying to figure this out for 3 days now, im at my witts end, anyone mind spending a couple of minutes trying ot help me at least isolate the issue? |
| 01:49.23 | Bennij | What's segfaulting? SSH? |
| 01:49.28 | Bennij | * OpenSSH |
| 01:49.40 | Parabola | sec i'll get the exact error |
| 01:49.44 | Bennij | If so, try dropbear |
| 01:49.46 | Parabola | i cant tell what is seg faulting, but it happens when i ssh |
| 01:49.57 | Parabola | well i removed ssh and reinstalled, and again it works fine as the other users on the system |
| 01:49.57 | Bennij | First the client, then the server |
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| 01:50.34 | Parabola | ssh: /usr/local/zenoss/common/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8: no version information available (required by ssh |
| 01:50.35 | Parabola | Segmentation fault |
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| 01:50.53 | Parabola | I clean installed zenoss, which recreated the user, and it still does it |
| 01:50.59 | Bennij | Do you have permission to that file? |
| 01:51.35 | Parabola | yeah |
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| 01:51.42 | Parabola | sec |
| 01:51.46 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: if file contains what you mentioned - it does not do anything. but i've got an idea and i'm going to try it |
| 01:51.46 | qq- | zenoss not debian package |
| 01:52.10 | qq- | Parabola, ^^ |
| 01:52.18 | Parabola | i know that |
| 01:52.29 | Parabola | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2010-08-12 21:36 libcrypto.so -> libcrypto.so.0.9.8 |
| 01:52.36 | Parabola | -rwxr-xr-x 1 zenoss zenoss 1.7M 2010-06-30 14:12 libcrypto.so.0.9.8 |
| 01:52.57 | Parabola | last time i tried to tar a file i got the error as well |
| 01:52.58 | qq- | Parabola, ask zenoss |
| 01:53.16 | Parabola | qq- that really isnt helping, i've been down that road |
| 01:53.21 | Parabola | again, 3 days at this |
| 01:53.37 | Parabola | i need to isolate what the issue is |
| 01:53.40 | Bennij | If it's not a Debian shared library, it's probably just compiled for something else |
| 01:53.49 | Parabola | well i have that library installed already |
| 01:53.52 | Bennij | And isn't being recognized |
| 01:54.00 | Bennij | Then link that to the good version of the library |
| 01:54.02 | Parabola | what if i symlink to the real file |
| 01:55.00 | ScottG | Running lzma on a file seems to consistently freeze up my server. I've never seen a cli utility completely freeze up my computer like this. Does anyone know why this might be? |
| 01:56.28 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: my solution (event=button/lid LID 00000080 00000007 and action=/usr/sbin/s2disk) |
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| 01:56.46 | ksx4system | dondelelcaro: of course id *does not* work too. |
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| 01:57.47 | Parabola | retarded question, when making a symlink to a file in a different directory |
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| 01:58.04 | Parabola | whats the syntax on that |
| 01:58.20 | Parabola | ln -s <destination> <actual file> |
| 01:58.33 | Bennij | ln -s /full/path/to/file destination |
| 01:58.47 | Bennij | It's analogous to cp/mv |
| 02:01.03 | Parabola | alright |
| 02:01.07 | Parabola | lets see how this goes |
| 02:01.30 | Parabola | IT WORKS |
| 02:01.39 | Bennij | :) |
| 02:02.26 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: uh... the event is button/lid |
| 02:02.34 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: the other bit is the state |
| 02:02.48 | dondelelcaro | ksx4system: and that's *NOT* the action you want |
| 02:02.58 | dondelelcaro | (because a lid event gets sent whether the lid is opening or closing) |
| 02:05.19 | ksx4system | ok. so how to make it work? i don't really have an idea. i mean really. |
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| 02:08.51 | Gm4n | can someone take a look at my grub.cfg entry? I think I have it correct, but it's a remote box and if I mess this up, it won't boot :( |
| 02:09.01 | Gm4n | oops: http://paste.debian.net/90239/ |
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| 02:19.52 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i'm going to copy a partition from a flash-drive that has squeeze on it using gparted to a partition on a desktop system; i wont be able to boot into desktop version of debian until i install the grub on it. is there anyway i can install it using flash-drive version of debian? if so, how? (i know how to do it using the cd but i dont have that option on the desktop) |
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| 02:20.18 | Gm4n | paranoidphreak: I think install-grub will do the trick |
| 02:21.15 | haytham-med | Gm4n: i guess the partition table wont be copied? |
| 02:21.52 | Gm4n | I don't know gparted that well, but I imagine that paranoidphreak is just copying the filesystem contents |
| 02:22.35 | Bop | There is 1 newly obsolete package: flashplugin-nonfree <- can anyone tell me why i get this message and there isnt a new replacement package when i do safe-upgrade ? |
| 02:23.12 | Gm4n | aptitude is wishing that flash is obsolete, perhaps =P |
| 02:23.19 | Bop | oO |
| 02:23.28 | paranoidphreak | Gm4n: i got the following error when trying to run the command: "sudo: install-grub: command not found" |
| 02:23.47 | Gm4n | oops, it's grub-install |
| 02:24.23 | Gm4n | and you'll also need to go edit your grub menu.lst or grub.cfg, depending on which grub you're using |
| 02:25.32 | paranoidphreak | Gm4n: thanks...... |
| 02:25.59 | paranoidphreak | haytham-med: the MBR doesn't get copied |
| 02:26.05 | Gm4n | speaking of grub.cfg, anyone think this looks right? http://paste.debian.net/90239/ |
| 02:26.34 | haytham-med | well i doubt copying the partition from gparted will work |
| 02:26.51 | haytham-med | i guess u better use partimage or something |
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| 02:27.10 | ksx4system | ACPI in Linux just fucking sucks. nothing less, nothing more. |
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| 02:27.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | acpi isn't nice to start with |
| 02:28.20 | paranoidphreak | haytham-med: oh k....thanks |
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| 02:32.19 | qq- | 10 Sep 17 06:03<qq-> Bop, not in squeeze . |
| 02:32.39 | Gm4n | which uuid do I use for grub's UUID setting? The one reported by mdadm --examine --scan, or the one from tune2fs -l? |
| 02:33.03 | Bop | qq-, is squeeze yes |
| 02:33.13 | Bop | yesterday |
| 02:33.19 | Bop | gonna try today |
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| 02:35.29 | Bop | ok qq- no message today |
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| 02:38.13 | factor | does anyone know of a prog to convert m4v to mp4 |
| 02:38.31 | Gm4n | ffmpeg can do it, I bet |
| 02:38.47 | factor | I play them in kaffiene |
| 02:39.02 | factor | kde media player but need to get them to my sansa fuse player |
| 02:39.55 | streuner_ | since when are sansa players able to play videos? |
| 02:40.20 | streuner_ | oh, nm, missread it |
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| 02:40.32 | streuner_ | dpkg, m4v |
| 02:40.38 | factor | I have one so I could watch itunes U |
| 02:40.58 | qq- | streuner_, no dpkg, yet |
| 02:41.03 | factor | I use itunes with wine |
| 02:41.19 | factor | and need its video converted to mp4 |
| 02:41.29 | factor | looks like ffmpeg will do it |
| 02:41.35 | factor | just get the params to do so |
| 02:45.06 | factor | converting my Hubble cast to see if ffmpeg will |
| 02:45.54 | cast_ | i aint your hubble |
| 02:46.12 | factor | :) |
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| 02:46.54 | mister_m | has anyone ordered anything from linuxcertified.com? |
| 02:46.59 | mister_m | are they legit? |
| 02:47.42 | cast_ | mister_m: what exactly do you think we talk about here |
| 02:47.58 | e-dub | yeah their legit |
| 02:48.10 | mister_m | cast_ herp derp |
| 02:48.11 | e-dub | sorry |
| 02:48.46 | e-dub | get out u dumbass |
| 02:49.03 | e-dub | sorry admins |
| 02:49.04 | mister_m | cast_ there's no reason to be mean |
| 02:49.10 | mister_m | cast_ all I'm saying |
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| 02:49.24 | e-dub | well u ask dumb ? |
| 02:49.45 | mister_m | e-dub, you make a great case |
| 02:49.46 | e-dub | what exactely do you want |
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| 02:50.08 | e-dub | thnx learned it from newsense |
| 02:50.33 | e-dub | he left? |
| 02:51.21 | e-dub | good |
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| 02:52.00 | e-dub | tell newsense i did good |
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| 02:52.49 | e-dub | he thinx im retarded |
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| 02:59.19 | massmc | hello.. on 32bit debian i was able to execute a shoutcast by ./sc_serv now on a 64bit machine when I try that it tells me "-bash: ./sc_serv: No such file or directory" Cant seem to find anything on google about it |
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| 03:05.23 | the_file | hi |
| 03:05.41 | the_file | is there a small distro version of debian that you can build on under 200mbs?. |
| 03:07.12 | massmc | the-file just the base system is like 3-400 meg or so |
| 03:10.49 | jpinxN900 | the_file: I doubt it |
| 03:11.31 | jpinxN900 | the_file: but you could make a live image that small - I have one on a 256MBs sd card |
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| 03:44.26 | factor | http://code.google.com/p/video4fuze/ here is the gui prog to convert itunes to fuze |
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| 03:56.51 | thewanderer1 | I just set up Debian on core i3 530... how to monitor the temperature and decrease the CPU frequency? |
| 03:58.48 | newsense | lm-sensors can show temps |
| 03:59.01 | thewanderer1 | er, no... it doesn't detect any sensors |
| 03:59.29 | newsense | cpufreq or something for cpu freq AFAIK |
| 04:01.07 | newsense | i used lm-sensors once but at that time the drivers for the sensors didn't detect the right temps or something similar so i can't help much there |
| 04:01.13 | sedulous | thewanderer1: cpufreq-set in the cpufrequtils package allows you to set the frequency and/or the governor |
| 04:02.02 | thewanderer1 | oh, so acpi_cpufreq works |
| 04:02.08 | newsense | anyone know why i might not be able to use a cd in a windows xp kvm guest ? |
| 04:02.15 | thewanderer1 | I tried modprobing it before and somehow it didn't want to cooperate |
| 04:02.45 | sedulous | newsense: never had that problem with XP in KVM |
| 04:03.07 | newsense | i installed from cd |
| 04:03.19 | sedulous | newsense: have you checked the device manager? |
| 04:03.21 | newsense | the xml shows the drive usder devices |
| 04:03.36 | newsense | sedulous: yeah it's fine and i got a D: drive letter |
| 04:03.48 | newsense | says it's working properly |
| 04:04.06 | newsense | i have a cd in the drive and it isn't mounted on the debian host os |
| 04:04.11 | e-dub | it works |
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| 04:05.40 | e-dub | to tell if my ntwrk works |
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| 04:17.20 | Gm4n | why would grub2 be giving a "no such device" for the uuid that tune2fs shows for my filesystem uuid of my raid? |
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| 04:23.27 | jlongster | Hey guys, I'm trying to imagemagick for something, and I can't for the life of me figure it out. I installed the latest version using aptitude which looks like is 6.3.7. I'm trying to do this example: |
| 04:23.28 | jlongster | http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/crop/#crop_tile |
| 04:23.56 | jlongster | But imagemagick doesn't recognize the "-set filename:title" command and it's driving me crazy |
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| 04:25.54 | pjs | anyone know the package the 'mail' is in off the top of their heads? So I can do something lke: echo test | mail -s "testing" email@domain.com |
| 04:31.24 | pjs | found it.. bsd-mailx |
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| 04:44.48 | Gm4n | my box is booting into initramfs, because it doesn't seem to be able to find the file system. Any ideas? |
| 04:45.45 | cast_ | yeah, investigate why it can't see the root FS anymore |
| 04:46.23 | Gm4n | hmm, I lied. It can see the root fs, let's see what the errors are |
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| 04:51.01 | Gm4n | so my system "gave up waiting for root device". My root devices is a degraded mdadm raid1 formatted with ext4, would that be relevant? |
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| 04:52.33 | cast_ | has the same thing worked before? |
| 04:52.57 | e-dub | yes it has |
| 04:53.27 | Gm4n | if you're talking to me, no it hasn't |
| 04:53.34 | Gm4n | this is a new system |
| 04:54.05 | e-dub | ok descript |
| 04:54.28 | e-dub | what are u running |
| 04:54.39 | Gm4n | I have a mdadm raid1 that I debootstrapped squeeze onto (one drive, one "missing") |
| 04:54.54 | Gm4n | the other hard drive has a normal squeeze install on it |
| 04:55.24 | e-dub | debian sqeeze |
| 04:55.39 | e-dub | ill help |
| 04:55.57 | Gm4n | when I tell grub to boot the md0 install, it boots partly then says "gave up waiting for root device", and dumps me into busybox |
| 04:59.31 | Gm4n | I get this: http://picpaste.com/6-fvhF3EVP.png |
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| 05:02.22 | epsas | Hello people |
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| 05:02.46 | Gm4n | hi there |
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| 05:07.03 | Gm4n | ok, looks like I'm not loading the raid modules |
| 05:08.17 | cast_ | how'd you get the screenshot? :) |
| 05:08.41 | Gm4n | weird graphical console tool, I don't actually have physical access to the box |
| 05:09.05 | cast_ | ah. nice |
| 05:09.34 | Gm4n | how do I get the raid modules loaded? |
| 05:10.27 | cast_ | are they in the initrd? |
| 05:10.49 | Gm4n | I don't know how to tell, nor how to add them |
| 05:11.04 | Gm4n | the initrd files seem very binary :P |
| 05:12.03 | cast_ | ahh, its a gzipped cpio archive |
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| 05:13.19 | newsense | Gm4n: they should be |
| 05:13.40 | newsense | you would need them to access your disks |
| 05:13.53 | newsense | soeey meant cast_ |
| 05:13.54 | cast_ | note the debootstrap bit |
| 05:14.15 | newsense | oh right |
| 05:15.34 | Gm4n | so how do I add the raid modules to my initrd? |
| 05:16.55 | Gm4n | can I copy the initrd from my booting system? |
| 05:16.56 | newsense | not sure i only ever removed modules from intrd |
| 05:17.25 | Gm4n | it's the same machine, same os (squeeze), and have basically the same things installed |
| 05:17.47 | newsense | i would ask someone who is sure about it |
| 05:17.55 | newsense | sorry |
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| 05:18.42 | Gm4n | I'll just try and see what happens :) |
| 05:19.16 | cast_ | Gm4n: but it has a slightly different fstab presumably? |
| 05:19.23 | Gm4n | yes, it does |
| 05:19.44 | Gm4n | different root device |
| 05:19.56 | cast_ | considers /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 05:20.22 | Gm4n | aha |
| 05:20.29 | cast_ | i'd give it a go |
| 05:20.32 | Gm4n | I'll try that, thanks :D |
| 05:20.33 | cast_ | but fix the fstab |
| 05:21.33 | Gm4n | what part of fstab needs fixing? |
| 05:21.38 | Gm4n | I'm pretty sure both are correct |
| 05:22.21 | Gm4n | and do I just need "raid1" for md raid1 support? |
| 05:23.00 | cast_ | the part that points at the wrong root device |
| 05:23.36 | Gm4n | each fstab is correct for the install it's part of |
| 05:24.20 | cast_ | until you take an initrd from a different install... |
| 05:24.26 | cast_ | nevermind! |
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| 05:27.30 | Gm4n | hooray, new error! |
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| 05:31.52 | Gm4n | http://picpaste.com/7-Wh22m5OW.png |
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| 05:37.58 | cast_ | picking the easy way out...can't you use the debian installer? :) |
| 05:38.22 | Gm4n | nope, I don't have physical access to this box |
| 05:38.31 | Gm4n | if I did, I wouldn't be doing this series of tricks just to get a software raid going |
| 05:38.47 | cast_ | you don't need physical access if you have a decent system controller |
| 05:39.03 | Gm4n | well, I can't boot off a CD |
| 05:39.10 | cast_ | ahh. |
| 05:39.32 | Gm4n | I beat up the support guy until he gave me this kvm access |
| 05:39.47 | cast_ | hmm, so you has no system controller? :( |
| 05:40.00 | Gm4n | I'm not even sure what a system controller is |
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| 05:40.33 | cast_ | its smaller computer within your server that you login to do get a virtual console, and power cycle, check HW faults, etc.. |
| 05:40.46 | cast_ | dirt cheap gear won't have it |
| 05:41.09 | Gm4n | I'm not even supposed to have a kvm, so I'm not gonna complain |
| 05:42.00 | cast_ | ah. |
| 05:42.23 | Gm4n | so anyone have ideas about http://picpaste.com/7-Wh22m5OW.png? Not sure why the md is now complaining... |
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| 05:51.31 | e-dub | hey newense help me boot this guy |
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| 05:51.54 | e-dub | hey newsense help me boot this guy |
| 05:52.29 | nsadmin | <e-dub> ill help |
| 05:52.29 | nsadmin | <e-dub> hey newense help me boot this guy |
| 05:52.42 | nsadmin | nothing in between |
| 05:53.36 | nsadmin | so my curiousity about that is, how do you want to be seen? |
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| 05:55.21 | Gm4n | I want to be seen booting and fully functional |
| 05:55.24 | Gm4n | :P |
| 05:56.34 | nsadmin | why are you trying to software raid on top of what's probably a hardware raid? |
| 06:00.38 | nsadmin | if it's more storage you want, ask for a larger block and copy the stuff from the smaller, then return it |
| 06:02.31 | Gm4n | there's no hardware raid |
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| 06:02.57 | Gm4n | this is where I"m at now: http://picpaste.com/9-YwWzvcnv.png |
| 06:02.58 | nsadmin | then what is the remote using for storage? |
| 06:03.34 | newsense | i am running a windows xp guest under kvm using virsh to manage the guest and the guest doesn't see any cd's i insert, i have the drive defined in the xml file and the xp guest shows a cd/dvd drive in device manager |
| 06:03.35 | Gm4n | you mean the box I'm working on? |
| 06:04.47 | nsadmin | yes (and before we continue much further, I want to give you a choice... you may or may not want to speak to me now as I'm just curious and may or may not be able to help. what I might be able to do is clarify the problem) |
| 06:05.06 | Gm4n | I'd love to talk it over |
| 06:05.14 | Gm4n | I definitely find solutions that way sometimes |
| 06:05.52 | Gm4n | ok, so the current situation is that this box has two hard drives. one (sdb) has a squeeze debootstrap that I got up and going |
| 06:05.54 | nsadmin | ok, so you have a remote that's not booting, and you're trying software raid which is not assembling according to the second screenshot |
| 06:06.34 | Gm4n | running from sdb, I created a raid1 (md0) that consists of sda2 and 'missing', and debootstrapped squeeze onto there |
| 06:06.43 | nsadmin | are you doing or planning to do any form of virtualization? |
| 06:06.54 | Gm4n | nope |
| 06:07.22 | nsadmin | ok, so for now it's just a multiboot with the squeeze on sdb working |
| 06:07.50 | Gm4n | I added an entry in the grub.cfg (on sdb) for the md device, and it starts booting and then gets to that screenshot |
| 06:07.55 | Gm4n | yes, exactly |
| 06:08.07 | Gm4n | when I get it booting off md0, I'm going to nuke sdb and add it to the raid |
| 06:08.20 | nsadmin | is there an os installed on md0? |
| 06:09.05 | nsadmin | I'd recommend against nuking sdb; can you shrink it sufficiently so you can use the rest of the storage on the raid? |
| 06:09.50 | nsadmin | look at it this way... you have something that works AND boots |
| 06:10.14 | nsadmin | you might want to keep it, and you MIGHT want to use that as your remote's os |
| 06:10.31 | Gm4n | that's not an option |
| 06:10.36 | Gm4n | I need this to be a raid1 |
| 06:10.55 | Gm4n | yes, I debootstrapped squeeze onto md0. That screenshot is what happens when I try and boot it |
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| 06:11.50 | nsadmin | so the squeeze on sdb sees md0 but the squeeze on md0 doesn't see itself? |
| 06:12.45 | Gm4n | well, squeeze/md0 kinda sees itself... it partly boots before it can't find the root filesystem |
| 06:12.48 | Gm4n | so yes |
| 06:13.36 | nsadmin | right... the missing piece is why is the squeeze on md0 not assembling itself |
| 06:13.47 | Gm4n | yep |
| 06:13.50 | Gm4n | and I have no idea |
| 06:13.54 | Gm4n | the error is weird |
| 06:13.56 | nsadmin | or, what is necessary to assemble md0 before booting |
| 06:13.58 | Gm4n | and how it grows from size 0 |
| 06:14.16 | Gm4n | I think the problem is that mdadm didn't get to setup the initrd and such the way it wanted |
| 06:14.23 | Gm4n | but I don't know how to get mdadm to setup the correct initrd |
| 06:14.34 | Gm4n | as soon as I chroot myself onto md0, it fails because /dev/md isn't real |
| 06:15.21 | nsadmin | would grub2 somehow assemble a raid? |
| 06:15.57 | nsadmin | if so I offer the additional resource of #grub -- they may or may not be present/awake |
| 06:17.18 | Gm4n | grub needs to talk raid just enough to read the kernel and initrd, AFAIK |
| 06:17.28 | Gm4n | and since the kernel and initrd have been read, it's not grub's fault anymore |
| 06:17.39 | Gm4n | (a few hours ago, it was getting stuck at grub, but I figured that one out) |
| 06:18.38 | nsadmin | as far as I see things, either grub would assemble the raid, the initrd does it or the booted system somehow does it... but this last one, I don't see it, because it's truely pulling one's self up by their bootstraps |
| 06:19.11 | Gm4n | grub would load the kernel into memory and then let the kernel do it's own thing |
| 06:19.24 | Gm4n | and that would explain why you need to load kernel modules for the raid |
| 06:19.36 | Gm4n | because once the kernel is good to do it's own thing, it can't figure out how to get to the disk itself |
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| 06:20.41 | nsadmin | can you run the installer? it seems like what you've done so far is debootstrapped it onto the raid, which doesn't take care of how it's to be booted |
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| 06:21.44 | nsadmin | maybe you can get the installer working via the squeeze on sdb |
| 06:22.41 | Gm4n | I'm pretty sure all that's left is to make mdadm do it's setup thing |
| 06:23.01 | Gm4n | but whenever I try it chrooted onto md0, it fails because it tries to look at /dev/md... |
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| 06:24.03 | nsadmin | did you say somthing before about getting the raid assembled from the busybox of the md0 squeeze? |
| 06:24.50 | Gm4n | I might have, but I forgot what I said |
| 06:25.09 | Gm4n | should I look at that? |
| 06:25.32 | nsadmin | at one point, there was an error that dropped you into busybox, and you did something that continued the process |
| 06:25.37 | nsadmin | that sound familiar? |
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| 06:26.32 | Gm4n | I think that may be the wrong impression |
| 06:26.35 | Gm4n | let me go try busybox |
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| 06:31.40 | nsadmin | btw, why is it necessary to be all raid? |
| 06:33.28 | Gm4n | because this box needs to be as reliable as possible |
| 06:33.51 | nsadmin | then why not install a hardware raid? |
| 06:33.56 | Gm4n | because that cost more :P |
| 06:34.11 | Gm4n | my hyporcracy isn't the point |
| 06:34.17 | nsadmin | obviously... so you -do- have a prioritization |
| 06:34.30 | nsadmin | is there a due date? |
| 06:34.39 | Gm4n | and I prioritize my own sanity and free time the lowest, apparently |
| 06:34.50 | Gm4n | well, all my other work is on hold until I'm done with this |
| 06:34.57 | Gm4n | technically no, but ASAP |
| 06:35.25 | nsadmin | can you get something working now and upgrade later? |
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| 06:36.15 | nsadmin | maybe you can separate some of the issues that seem married so that you can reprioritize your own time a bit higher |
| 06:36.51 | Gm4n | I'm far too stubborn :) |
| 06:38.19 | nsadmin | I can't advise you on that point... |
| 06:39.28 | Gm4n | http://picpaste.com/10-t9MhBtJB.png |
| 06:39.43 | Gm4n | there's some lag issues, it seems. but md0 won't mount |
| 06:39.53 | nsadmin | the thing is... if you can boot the sdb, it's very likely you can boot an installer |
| 06:40.11 | nsadmin | do you think the kernel needs to wait longer for the raid to assemble? |
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| 06:41.13 | Gm4n | is there a commandline installer? |
| 06:41.31 | Gm4n | no, I think the kernel needs to assemble the raid first thing |
| 06:41.32 | Gm4n | literally |
| 06:41.41 | nsadmin | well it's probably dialog/curses-based |
| 06:41.50 | Gm4n | that would be wonderful if there was such a thing |
| 06:41.53 | Gm4n | brb in a few |
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| 06:59.26 | pallgone | http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/openvpn |
| 06:59.36 | pallgone | can someone help me understand that a bit? |
| 06:59.47 | folivora | shoo |
| 06:59.48 | folivora | t |
| 06:59.52 | pallgone | point 5. |
| 07:00.08 | pallgone | remote... (servers's X) |
| 07:00.14 | pallgone | what does it mean? xorg? |
| 07:00.59 | folivora | good question =)) |
| 07:01.05 | folivora | i would go for that |
| 07:01.17 | pallgone | i don't have X on my server |
| 07:01.30 | pallgone | maybe I just leave that line out? |
| 07:02.55 | folivora | yap.. but i'm not shure, that line is a bit weird... |
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| 07:03.12 | pallgone | ok, I'll give it a go |
| 07:04.13 | yow | hi room |
| 07:04.16 | yow | does anyone know how to copy or move file(s) to a specific (hardware?) location (starting track/sector) on a hard drive or pendrive, in other words, how can i join or concate the contiguous free disk space together? |
| 07:04.28 | yow | Actually, I want to copy approx. 8GB of ISO files onto a 8GB pendrive but wish to have them written onto the pendrive one after another without any free disk spaces in between the files. Any ideas or suggestions? TIA. |
| 07:04.48 | yow | i've been using pyfragtools-0.1 (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=169551) to perform the defragmentation on the 8GB pendrive with 1.2GB of free disk space on it (after removing 1 large ISO file), however, the defrag tool still "failed" to defrag 2 ISO files which are approx. 800MB (split into 6 chunks) & 300MB (split into 3 chunks) respectively. Does anyone know if I can defrag the disk successfully or do i have to do it using other way? |
| 07:05.16 | yow | sorry if my question/description is too long?! |
| 07:07.00 | yow | also, is there any linux command or tool which will allow me to locate the starting track/sector of a particular file on disk? |
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| 07:07.23 | Gm4n | yow: what filesystem is the pendrive? |
| 07:07.47 | yow | Gm4n, thx for your reply. it's fat32 |
| 07:08.03 | nsadmin | why do you care about how the filesystem stores the file as long as you have it? |
| 07:08.03 | Gm4n | I think that might be your problem |
| 07:08.04 | yow | Gm4n, any different if it's other fs? |
| 07:08.07 | Gm4n | yes |
| 07:08.26 | cristi8 | hi. is it recommended to reboot after today's kernel image security update? |
| 07:08.44 | cristi8 | or should i not reboot? |
| 07:08.51 | Gm4n | at least, I believe so. I'm no expert ;) |
| 07:08.57 | nsadmin | if you're intending to run a different kernel you would have to reboot |
| 07:09.21 | yow | actually, im trying to create a multi-boot linux livecd on the pendrive and it seems that an ISO file has to be contiguous in order for the livecd to work (is that correct?) |
| 07:09.32 | cristi8 | i'm running 2.6.26-2-686, for which the update was for |
| 07:09.42 | nsadmin | cristi8, if you're intending to run a different kernel you would have to reboot |
| 07:10.51 | yow | Gm4n, so, is there any tool to do what i want if im using other fs? what fs can i use? |
| 07:10.54 | Gm4n | is there a way to run the debian installer (the one on CDs) from a hard drive? Like, is there a package for that? |
| 07:11.13 | cristi8 | nsadmin: so it's a no, but i remember some "the current kernel was upgraded. you have to reboot *now*, i can't stress that enough" messages in some past upgrades |
| 07:11.40 | Gm4n | yow: I don't think manually "placing" files to start on certain blocks will let you fit more |
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| 07:12.13 | nsadmin | cristi8, so you got this kernel image update... what is your intent now? |
| 07:12.22 | yow | Gm4n, i don't want to fit more but i want all the ISO files NOT fragmented at all so they can be booted (Linux LiveCD) |
| 07:12.47 | Gm4n | ah, interesting, I didn't know that could be done |
| 07:12.56 | Gm4n | and you're sure that they're being fragmented currently? |
| 07:13.12 | Gm4n | I can't see any good reason for them to be fragmented if you put them on one at a time |
| 07:13.16 | yow | Gm4n, as for now, i still have 1.2GB on the pendrive but 2 (~800mb & 300mb) ISO files still cannot be defragmented. |
| 07:13.29 | cristi8 | nsadmin: i don't have any intent now. but from my past experience, i thought kernel upgrades require reboot |
| 07:13.43 | Gm4n | yow: so delete one or both for now, defragment, then put them back on |
| 07:13.57 | Gm4n | cristi8: and that security update IS a new kernel, unfortunately |
| 07:13.59 | nsadmin | if you want to run the kernel image that was upgraded, you would have to reboot into it |
| 07:14.11 | yow | Gm4n, they are fragmented after checking using windows's defragmentation tool & pyfragtools-0.1 |
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| 07:14.52 | cristi8 | oh, is it a new kernel? i thought the current one was patched or something.. |
| 07:15.21 | nsadmin | I don't know that can be done live... |
| 07:15.30 | Gm4n | it can if you use ksplice |
| 07:15.42 | Gm4n | which I'd LOOOOVE to use :P |
| 07:17.01 | yow | Gm4n, someone did state that one of the "best" way to defrag a pendrive is to move the files to some other disk and then, move them back onto the pendrive. will the files will occupy the pendrive from the starting track/sector and will not leave any space between them if i copy 1 after another onto the pendrive? |
| 07:17.23 | Gm4n | they should, yes |
| 07:17.38 | Gm4n | and if you want to be extra certain, reformat the pendrive to make sure it's good and empty |
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| 07:17.50 | Gm4n | although this is more me being superstitious than actually knowing what I'm talking about ;) |
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| 07:19.03 | Gm4n | Is there something like the base-installer package that can be used from a hard drive? |
| 07:19.26 | yow | Gm4n, i see but is there any (low level?) way similar to defragmentation insead of using the `move` approach as it's rather slow to move ~8GB of data back & fro from a pendrive |
| 07:19.37 | Gm4n | not that I know of |
| 07:20.17 | Gm4n | I'm sure there is one |
| 07:20.23 | Gm4n | I'm just not the guy who knows what it is ;) |
| 07:21.30 | yow | Gm4n, thx for your time and help! i'll do the `move` approach then. however, is there any linux command or tool which i can use to tell me the starting sector/track of a particular file on a disk (fat32, ext3, or other fs)? |
| 07:21.52 | Gm4n | if I knew, I'd tell you |
| 07:22.03 | yow | Gm4n, hmm... thx. |
| 07:22.19 | Benkinooby | yow... i woudl use the dd command |
| 07:22.53 | yow | Gm4n, im fairly certain that there is linux command/tool to be able to tell me the physical location of a file. |
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| 07:23.28 | yow | Benkinooby, dd? for defrag or copying/moving files? how? |
| 07:23.36 | cahoot | yow: stat? |
| 07:23.50 | Gm4n | yes! |
| 07:23.56 | Gm4n | I can't believe I forgot stat |
| 07:24.54 | yow | Benkinooby &cahoot, im checking the man pages for dd and stat now, it seems that stat may be able to tell me the info i needs but not yet sure how dd can do for me though. |
| 07:25.05 | yow | Gm4n, :) |
| 07:25.16 | Benkinooby | yow... to get u right. your primary aim is to get a multiboot pendirve. but to reach that aim you want to place your ISO very precisely on your pendrive, which is the reason for all the foprmatting questions. right? |
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| 07:27.48 | yow | Benkinooby, afaik, the files do not need to be at specific location but they have to be in "1 piece" (contiguous). |
| 07:27.55 | simonrvn | the iso just needs to be at the topmost directory, under / IOW |
| 07:28.04 | Gm4n | is there any way to install debian from in debian besides debootstrap? |
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| 07:28.37 | Benkinooby | yow ... hm i would not be that sure of it... making bootable pendrives were never a problem to me in respect of contigency |
| 07:28.39 | simonrvn | that's the easiest. |
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| 07:30.48 | yow | Benkinooby, perhaps that's the way this author does it (http://www.pendrivelinux.com/boot-multiple-iso-from-usb-multiboot-usb/)? |
| 07:30.51 | Benkinooby | yow my solution would be to create the correct amount of partitions, copy the ISOs with dd to the partions (dd keeps ISOs contiguous) and the work on the MBR of the pen drive.... of course this is only one solution |
| 07:31.38 | yow | Benkinooby, correct me if im wrong but i think making a single liveusb system is easier than making multi-boot liveusb? |
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| 07:32.43 | yow | Benkinooby, i think your way is to create a "single-boot" liveusb but not multi-boot liveusb |
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| 07:34.05 | Benkinooby | yow in the MBR can't you enter multiple boot entries? |
| 07:34.36 | Benkinooby | or if that doesn't work, use GRUB to chainload the images |
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| 07:35.47 | Benkinooby | as i see on the website, this is what the author does... he/she uses grup to choose the different images stored on the pendrive. |
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| 07:36.15 | trebor_dki | hello. i would like to update offline from 5.03 to 5.06, are all updates I need (for this purpose) on debian-update-5.0.6-XXXX-DVD-1.iso? |
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| 07:37.04 | yow | Benkinooby, im using the grub approach, however, can i do it in the MBR? |
| 07:37.14 | Benkinooby | i don't know if he/she locates the iso's by partitions or in an other way (sectors...) but i am quit sure that he/she uses an "independent" grub to kick off the bootloaders (this is called chainloading) of the ISOs |
| 07:37.56 | greenmang0 | hello friends, i have multiple printers of same make in different depts over same LAN.. i am trying to add the printer in my lab through cups webinterface, cups finds all 4 printers and displays their names, since all printers are of same make their names are same, how can i distinguish printer from my lab out of them? |
| 07:38.08 | greenmang0 | of course all 4 printers have different ips but i can't see those ips on cups web interface |
| 07:38.38 | yow | Benkinooby, i think u r right, but the author stated (error msg) that the boot ISO has to be in 1 piece, hence, i wish to know how i can "defrag" my pendrive to achieve that |
| 07:39.52 | trebor_dki | what urls/man/howtos/books do you recommend for reading about (automatic) updating debian systems (i am just a hobby-user not a computer-science student)? |
| 07:39.53 | Benkinooby | yow afaik defraging under linux is not common... in your place i would use copy oder dd to make sure it is in one piece... |
| 07:40.20 | Benkinooby | usually if you copy to an empty drive, it is in one piece automatically |
| 07:40.23 | jpinxN900 | yow: what do you mean multi-boot on a live usb? |
| 07:41.18 | yow | jpinxN900, to boot more than 1 linux livecd on a pendrive |
| 07:41.31 | jpinxN900 | yow: to make a usb boot, you need to dd the bootable image to the whole device - not a partition on it eg /dev/sdd NOT /dev/sdd1 |
| 07:42.07 | yow | jpinxN900, check this out: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/boot-multiple-iso-from-usb-multiboot-usb/ |
| 07:42.13 | Gm4n | yow, I'm jealous. everybody wants to talk about usb booting instead of kernel initrds and raid support :P |
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| 07:42.47 | Benkinooby | yow read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_GRUB#Boot_process |
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| 07:43.17 | yow | jpinxN900, actually, that's not the way i want to do it as it's done under windows, i wish to know how to create multiboot liveusb under linux |
| 07:43.42 | Benkinooby | Gm4n, i guess because his problem is easyier... |
| 07:43.44 | Benkinooby | ;) |
| 07:44.16 | jpinxN900 | yow: the only way I can think of to make that work would be to create the live images, make a grub that works and then make an image of the whole thing to be dd'd onto the usb |
| 07:44.33 | yow | jpinxN900, thx for the URL |
| 07:44.57 | Benkinooby | yow my suggestion: make one partition (primary!) for grub and use it to start the ISOs... |
| 07:44.59 | jpinxN900 | I have no idea why they are talking about 16GBs - I have a live image of debian with x on a 256MBs sd card |
| 07:45.08 | Benkinooby | similar to jpinxN900 suggestion |
| 07:45.27 | peterrooney | trebor_dki: aoutomated updating is unwise. |
| 07:46.24 | Benkinooby | and i would dd the images to different partitions... because i know that grub can locate partitions... this is what is usually does, when you have a multi boot system |
| 07:46.25 | jpinxN900 | trebor_dki: there is an auto-update system for debian, but it does security only |
| 07:46.32 | peterrooney | highly recommend "The Linux System Administrator's Handbook" by Nemeth et al. |
| 07:46.36 | Benkinooby | like one partition windows one partition linux |
| 07:47.32 | jpinxN900 | Benkinooby: yea - and there is a way to mount remaining space on a USB (unused by the live image) using a loopback |
| 07:48.03 | jpinxN900 | and there is even a way to make the live image accept persistent changes - but that's black magic ) |
| 07:48.40 | peterrooney | trebor_dki: sorry, that should be "The Linux Administration Handbook" (been so long since I read it) |
| 07:49.06 | Benkinooby | yow how many live systems / ISOs are you using? |
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| 07:50.14 | jpinxN900 | yow: the nature of live systems is such that they self-boot and do not need grub or whatever, so you're going to have to unravel that a bit |
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| 07:53.02 | trebor_dki | thanks peterrooney & jpinxN900. there are two very different scenarios. one pc (father-in-law) is far away and i would this one to do automatic security updates. the other one (daughter) does not have internet access. - so i will search for the book (i cross read a german online book, but i did not find anything for doing the automatic) |
| 07:54.05 | Benkinooby | jpinxN900, the point is that he want to have multiple live systems on his pen drive and to be able to choose from them... |
| 07:54.19 | jpinxN900 | trebor_dki: if you can ssh into your father-in-laws box, just do the updates manually |
| 07:54.44 | jpinxN900 | Benkinooby: yea - I get that, but never seen it done - but interesting :) |
| 07:55.04 | simonrvn | ,info unattended-upgrades |
| 07:55.05 | judd | unattended-upgrades (admin, optional): Install security upgrades automatically. Version: 0.25.1debian1-0.1; Size: 6.9k; Installed: 40k |
| 07:55.21 | yow | Benkinooby & jpinxN900, sorry, i was away from computer just now |
| 07:55.22 | jpinxN900 | Oooo - judd is working |
| 07:55.24 | simonrvn | ,versions unattended-upgrades |
| 07:55.25 | judd | unattended-upgrades -- etch: 0.2; lenny: 0.25.1debian1-0.1; sid: 0.62; squeeze: 0.62 |
| 07:55.27 | Benkinooby | "never seen it done . but interesting" ... how many days this kind of idea stole me :D |
| 07:55.39 | jpinxN900 | Benkinooby: :p |
| 07:55.58 | yow | Benkinooby, yes, that what i have /dev/sda1 |
| 07:56.18 | yow | Benkinooby, about or more than 10 ISOs |
| 07:56.23 | trebor_dki | jpinxN900: yes, i forgot to configure his router/dsl-box to be able to do so (i sent him a bash script for tunneling but he did not like it) |
| 07:56.46 | Benkinooby | yow, ok the first thing that i would do it |
| 07:56.47 | Benkinooby | is |
| 07:56.52 | jpinxN900 | trebor_dki: well - tbh, updating is so easy he can do it himself |
| 07:57.06 | Benkinooby | try to get a working grub on your pendrive |
| 07:57.25 | Benkinooby | make one small partition for the grub and leave the rest of the drive empty |
| 07:57.32 | trebor_dki | judd: thanks for this hint. |
| 07:57.38 | Benkinooby | then work on mrg and install grub |
| 07:57.42 | Benkinooby | on the pendrive |
| 07:57.49 | Benkinooby | mrg = mbr |
| 07:59.02 | trebor_dki | jpinxN900: i did not give him the root-passwort (experiences of the past ...) |
| 07:59.05 | Benkinooby | if you have a working grub on the pendrive, you allready won! make partitions for all your ISOs and dd one ISO to each pen drive partition... then add all the ISOs to your grub menu in the first partition |
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| 07:59.38 | yow | Benkinooby, i think your suggestion is very good, i really think it's a good idea to separate the ISOs from Grub as Grub related files will grow and hence fragment the disk!! |
| 07:59.39 | jpinxN900 | trebor_dki: next time you go over there you can seet him a very limited use sudo account ;) |
| 08:00.02 | yow | Benkinooby, i've been thinking about that matter, thx for your suggestion! |
| 08:00.20 | jpinxN900 | Benkinooby: yow I'm not sure that grub will recognise live images as OS's |
| 08:00.30 | Benkinooby | it will |
| 08:00.44 | yow | jpinxN900, Benkinooby is right |
| 08:00.51 | Benkinooby | if you put the ISO on the beginning of a partition |
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| 08:01.14 | Benkinooby | but be carefull with dd you can mess up a lot of things.... |
| 08:01.17 | jpinxN900 | cool - I look forward to eharing how this goes yow ;) |
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| 08:02.02 | Benkinooby | yow in your place i would go for grub and then try on maybe 2 iso's or so... before creating all partitions and copying all ISOs |
| 08:02.13 | trebor_dki | jpinxN900: unattended-upgrades seems a good alternative (plus configuring the dsl-box/rooter) |
| 08:02.38 | jpinxN900 | trebor_dki: for sure you need to be able to ssh into that remote box ;) |
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| 08:05.57 | nsadmin | greenmang0, go to each of the printers, and rename them so their name distinguishes them |
| 08:06.28 | nsadmin | ideally each name should clearly state their location |
| 08:07.26 | greenmang0 | nsadmin: yeah, that worked :) |
| 08:07.37 | yow | jpinxN900, im doing it the lazy way using a windows exe (see http://www.pendrivelinux.com/boot-multiple-iso-from-usb-multiboot-usb/) |
| 08:07.54 | Benkinooby | yow i tried it once under windows |
| 08:07.58 | Benkinooby | since then i use linux |
| 08:07.59 | Benkinooby | :D |
| 08:08.05 | greenmang0 | nsadmin: i just didn't want to move my a$$ |
| 08:08.17 | greenmang0 | nsadmin: but finally i had to |
| 08:08.20 | yow | Benkinooby, i've already put about or more than 10 ISOs on it and all of them should work fine except 3 which are fragmented |
| 08:09.12 | yow | Benkinooby, i really wish to learn the linux way instead of using the windows exe download from the above URL. also, i see the defrag of the ISO as a challenge too. |
| 08:09.17 | Benkinooby | and are they working? |
| 08:09.50 | yow | Benkinooby, i've tried and some of them working but not the fragmented ones (3 of them) |
| 08:09.51 | Benkinooby | those who are not fragmented? |
| 08:10.02 | Benkinooby | ok |
| 08:10.22 | Benkinooby | are you now under linux or windows? |
| 08:10.38 | yow | Benkinooby, an error msg was displayed saying that the ISO has to be contiguous in order to use it as a live system! do u think that's true? |
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| 08:11.12 | jpinxN900 | Benkinooby: if he's talkng fragmeentation he's in wondows |
| 08:11.17 | Benkinooby | yow might be... i never had this kind of problem when creating live pen drives |
| 08:11.34 | yow | Benkinooby, i started using linux since 2003/2004 and i use linux almost exclusively nowadays unless i need to do some windows specific work. |
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| 08:12.18 | Benkinooby | jpinxN900, probably... linux is avoiding fragmentation very well... but also fragmention can not be avoided 100% under linux |
| 08:12.47 | yow | Benkinooby, i wish to put those (so many) ISOs on a big pendrive so that i or friends of mine can try different linux distros and also some ISOs are for rescue, backup and partition purposes! |
| 08:13.12 | jpinxN900 | Benkinooby: an image dd'd onto a pendrive wille not be fragmented I reckon |
| 08:13.36 | yow | jpinxN900, in a way, it is not about "linux or windows" but about booting live system using ISO on pendrive |
| 08:14.09 | jpinxN900 | Benkinooby: and the url referred to is pure windows |
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| 08:14.15 | yow | jpinxN900 & Benkinooby, i think if the source is fragmented, the destination will be fragmented too if dd is used, am i right? |
| 08:14.30 | jelly-home | yow: right |
| 08:14.37 | jpinxN900 | yow: I appreciate what you're doing, but you're doing it in woindows, not linux |
| 08:14.54 | yow | jpinxN900, yes, as i said, it's a lazy way to do it, i found it on the internet and use it, i really wish to know how to do it under linux entirely! |
| 08:15.03 | Benkinooby | yow |
| 08:15.07 | yow | jpinxN900, yes, u r right |
| 08:15.19 | yow | jelly-home, thx for your confirmation |
| 08:15.48 | Benkinooby | dd is like bit-wise cloning... so yes |
| 08:15.54 | jpinxN900 | yow: you got that earlier, make a partition at the beginning of the drive for grun and make a partition for each live image |
| 08:16.15 | jpinxN900 | *grub |
| 08:16.18 | Benkinooby | yow... and do it under linux |
| 08:16.33 | Benkinooby | we'll support you... |
| 08:17.06 | jpinxN900 | yow: not sure where you are getting pre-fragmented images - they must be at a discounted price ;) |
| 08:17.57 | yow | while i was searching info on (de)fragmentation, many linux users stated that deragmentation is not needed in linux, however, i think the point is sometimes we do need to defrag vfaat system, esp since pendrive is so common nowadays and also someone somewhere must have some peculiar needs to do defragmentation under linux, i definitely would not like to boot into windows to do the defrag. |
| 08:18.08 | jpinxN900 | Benkinooby: what's this "we" paleface? - I'll watch and crib the howto ;) |
| 08:18.44 | dutchfish | yow: you might want to delve into logfs |
| 08:19.12 | yow | jpinxN900, :))) i think it's because grub fragmented the pendrive, as Benkinooby said, i should use 1 partition for grub and another for the ISO files. |
| 08:19.16 | jpinxN900 | yow: if you are working on a vfat system from within linux, then yes - you might run into defrag issues |
| 08:19.33 | yow | dutchfish, logfs? something new to me, i'll google on it later |
| 08:20.04 | dutchfish | yow: further more, copying it all to another place and back is the simplest defrag method i now |
| 08:20.10 | jpinxN900 | yow: you might have to do something even more wierd, like installing grub onto the "whole" pendrive, and then resize the partitions after |
| 08:20.50 | yow | Benkinooby, jpinxN900, dutchfish, can i format a pendrive in ext3 instead of fat31 or fat16 to create multi-boot pendrive? |
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| 08:21.15 | cast_ | fat31?! you got ripped off! |
| 08:21.17 | jpinxN900 | yow: depends ont he pendrive - I have done that |
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| 08:21.28 | yow | dutchfish, i see but it's very very slow on flash memory :( |
| 08:22.07 | dutchfish | yow: not if you reformat after dumping |
| 08:22.19 | dutchfish | yow: the process that eats time is garbage collection |
| 08:22.25 | jpinxN900 | yow: for what you're doing you could possible benefit from using ext2 |
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| 08:23.04 | yow | dutchfish, reformat after dumping? what do u mean? |
| 08:23.15 | dutchfish | yes ext2 with no write on edit is the best option |
| 08:23.34 | yow | jpinxN900, i've used gparted several times to resize partitions on hard drives |
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| 08:23.51 | jpinxN900 | it'll also allow the pendrive to last longer - less writes |
| 08:24.20 | aurelien | o/ |
| 08:24.21 | yow | dutchfish, i do think i don't need ext3, ext2 is better as the ISOs are readonly |
| 08:24.32 | dutchfish | yow: by simply throw away the partition and recreate it with your desired fs |
| 08:24.33 | yow | dutchfish, what's "garbage collection"? |
| 08:24.49 | jpinxN900 | yow: as I said earlier, I have debian on a live image on a 256MBs sd card - using squashfs |
| 08:24.50 | yow | jpinxN900, im not sure but i think grub has to be on fat32 or fat16? |
| 08:24.50 | dutchfish | yow: let me hand you a link a sec |
| 08:25.13 | yow | jpinxN900, if i put the ISOs on ext2, do i need to modify the GRUB? |
| 08:25.17 | jpinxN900 | yow: not so - grub can be anything iirc |
| 08:25.46 | jpinxN900 | grub is read by the bootloader whos really doesn't give a damn about filesystems |
| 08:25.52 | yow | jpinxN900, i have put debian netinst.iso on a 256mb pendrive too (but not multi-boot) |
| 08:26.27 | jpinxN900 | yow: not netinstall - I have a whole working OS with X in 256 |
| 08:26.47 | yow | jpinxN900, do u mean it is possible to have a multi-boot pendrive in ext2 or ext3 instead of vfat? |
| 08:27.12 | jpinxN900 | each OS you have will want it's appropriate fs |
| 08:27.40 | yow | jpinxN900, i suppose i could do the same if i use other livecd ISO instead of the netinst.iso, such as DSL. |
| 08:28.42 | jpinxN900 | yow: but the point is that these are live images, not writeable OS's, and as such they are complete of themselves |
| 08:28.44 | yow | dutchfish, don't worry if it's too much hassle to find the link, thx anyway. |
| 08:29.06 | jpinxN900 | thinking about it - I wonder if you need to partition the pendrive at all |
| 08:29.16 | yow | jpinxN900, i do know that there r ways to create persistent liveusb |
| 08:29.29 | dutchfish | yow: ok |
| 08:29.33 | jpinxN900 | make it one partiiton with grub and a range of the .img files on it |
| 08:29.37 | yow | jpinxN900, i think i have to so that the ISO is not fragmented |
| 08:30.22 | yow | dutchfish, thx |
| 08:30.23 | jpinxN900 | yow: you'll need to defrag the iso before you copy it onto the pendriveofere |
| 08:31.21 | yow | jpinxN900, defrag the ISOs? i think it's not necessary unless i use`dd` or something similar |
| 08:31.27 | jpinxN900 | yow: I wonder if you create a single partition, copy the images as files, install grub and configure it |
| 08:31.30 | dutchfish | yow: http://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/technology/features/article.php/3850436/Solid-State-Drives-Take-Out-the-Garbage.htm |
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| 08:32.06 | jpinxN900 | yow: don't forget that each OS image is just a file |
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| 08:32.56 | yow | jpinxN900, i still think having 2 partitions is better as the pendrive partition which contains the ISOs will not be fragmented when new ISO is added to it and grub is modified. |
| 08:33.35 | jpinxN900 | ok - if I have time I might play with this and see ;) |
| 08:33.54 | martian67 | hi, i have one of those "datacenter debians" |
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| 08:34.22 | martian67 | how do i go about checking every package to make sure its the actual upstream debian version s |
| 08:34.24 | yow | dutchfish, thx for the link, it seems to contain very useful info, i'll read it in a bit |
| 08:34.31 | dutchfish | yow: squashfs and if you have the ram/mounting in ram is another way to prevent wear and tear and fragmentation |
| 08:34.39 | martian67 | (ive already changed my sources.lst to a real debian mirror) |
| 08:35.03 | yow | jpinxN900, yes, it's just a file, in fact, i don't know why it has to be contiguous as the error msg stated!? |
| 08:35.22 | jpinxN900 | martian67: aptitue update and safe-upgrade will possible make it complain of bad stuff |
| 08:35.54 | yow | dutchfish, ic, i don't really understand how squashfs works but i'll read about it later |
| 08:36.14 | jpinxN900 | yow: exactly - the more I think about it the more I reckon you just copy the images into a single partition and the have some fun getting grub to see them |
| 08:36.14 | peterrooney | martian67: hrm, download the .debs from official mirrors, compare MD5 sums? |
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| 08:36.26 | martian67 | peterrooney, looking for a more automatic way |
| 08:36.28 | dutchfish | yow: if the iso is good it wouldnt indeed mather where the bits are located |
| 08:36.32 | martian67 | that would be extremely time consuming |
| 08:36.50 | yow | jpinxN900, that's what i've done but 3 of the ISOs failed to boot because they r fragmented |
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| 08:37.25 | dutchfish | yow: 1 more tip: do a sync && sync after writing the iso, so to make absolutely sure all bytes are writed out to the drive before unmounting |
| 08:37.27 | jpinxN900 | yow: I suggest the "fragmented" ones might need a special trip to the vet ;) |
| 08:37.43 | jpinxN900 | good point dutchfish |
| 08:37.45 | yow | dutchfish, i thought about that too --- it may be the way the author did it but i don't know how to modify it and get rid of the error msg |
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| 08:38.21 | e-dub | hey how can i get ops in my channel #ethan2010 |
| 08:38.27 | yow | dutchfish, thx for the `sync` advice |
| 08:38.33 | dutchfish | yow: any logs? |
| 08:38.39 | jpinxN900 | yow: do you have grub on the pendrive now? and is it seeing the images as OSs |
| 08:39.04 | jpinxN900 | e-dub: /join #freenode |
| 08:39.11 | e-dub | thnx |
| 08:40.38 | yow | jpinxN900, a trip to the vet? what do u mean? anyway, for the time being perhaps the best way is to move the files after the 1st (contiguous) free space to another disk and move them back to the pendrive 1 by 1 later, |
| 08:41.01 | yow | jpinxN900, yes |
| 08:41.25 | yow | dutchfish, i need to check if there's any log. i seems like a grub error msg... |
| 08:41.31 | jpinxN900 | yow: so the issue is nothing to do with grub, but some bad images |
| 08:42.50 | dutchfish | jpinxN900: i think so too |
| 08:44.12 | peterrooney | martian67: one idea: for i in `dpkg --get-selections | awk ' $2 == "install" { print $1; }' ` do apt-get -y --reinstall install $i ; done # I'm sure someone in #bash would cringe to see this |
| 08:44.44 | martian67 | ive just seen automated ways of checking every package |
| 08:44.49 | martian67 | using dpkg/apt |
| 08:45.25 | martian67 | i dont want to get hacky and break things unless i need to |
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| 08:45.51 | peterrooney | so, what are you wanting to do? |
| 08:45.57 | dutchfish | peterrooney: what if the problem is in apt's cache? |
| 08:46.02 | shadowmaster | hm, where did the dpkg bot go? :( |
| 08:46.17 | martian67 | make sure every installed package is the actual upstream debian version |
| 08:46.33 | martian67 | and not some datacenter homebrew |
| 08:47.48 | peterrooney | martian67: then, if you've fixed your sources.list, run "apitude clean" followed by something like the quick and dirty script i cooked up. |
| 08:48.00 | peterrooney | aptitude clean clears out your cache |
| 08:48.25 | peterrooney | you don't trust this datacenter, do you? |
| 08:48.41 | martian67 | not paritcularlyt |
| 08:48.49 | martian67 | i only trust them as much as i need to |
| 08:48.52 | dutchfish | peterrooney: i dont like the idee so much because of all the wasted bandwidth, i would rather tend to use a good *check* method by apt's checksums and package consistancy |
| 08:49.36 | nsadmin | what has you needing to trust them? |
| 08:49.39 | peterrooney | dutchfish: if there's distrust of the installed packages, there's cause to distrust the contents of the package cache. |
| 08:49.42 | dutchfish | peterrooney: imagie everyone uses your method, that would be a disaster, isnt it? |
| 08:49.50 | martian67 | yes thats what i was hoping for too |
| 08:50.25 | martian67 | nsadmin, they fact they physically host my server :p |
| 08:50.25 | martian67 | ill just use peterrooney |
| 08:50.25 | martian67 | 's method |
| 08:50.32 | dutchfish | peterrooney: what about rkunter, tripwire and relatives? |
| 08:50.34 | nsadmin | "I only trust them as much as I need to" is probably another way of saying "I don't trust them at all" |
| 08:50.35 | peterrooney | dutchfish: i don't think everyone has cause to distrust their datacenters. martian67's problem seems a corner case. |
| 08:51.04 | dutchfish | s/rkunter/rkhunter |
| 08:51.21 | peterrooney | i prefer debsums, myself, but that's because i trust my cache. |
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| 08:51.30 | dutchfish | yep |
| 08:51.34 | antivirtel | hello all! |
| 08:51.39 | martian67 | nsadmin, they had custom kernels |
| 08:51.44 | antivirtel | I want to ask, that how can I install debian to 3 HDD in 1 time, because I have a very old server, with 3 SCSI HDD, and their total space is 20GB, I want to make from these 3 HDD 1 big particion... LVM can make me that, but during the installion?! |
| 08:51.49 | martian67 | and a custom source.lst |
| 08:51.58 | martian67 | its not so much that i actively distrust them |
| 08:52.07 | martian67 | its more i want to get rid of all their nonstandard crap |
| 08:52.16 | martian67 | and i want a clean vanilla debian |
| 08:52.31 | dutchfish | vanilla debian, whats that? |
| 08:52.41 | nsadmin | antiviral: modern installers could get you on lvm |
| 08:52.43 | martian67 | the debian as provided by debian.org |
| 08:53.09 | peterrooney | dutchfish: if everyone did what I suggested, i'd need a moat and boiling oil to protect myself from lynch mobs. |
| 08:53.26 | dutchfish | martian67: well, if you setup your box with aproved repositories and follow debians cookbook, thats what you will end up with |
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| 08:53.33 | Morpheus-3000 | So I herd y'all liek Mudkipz. Is it true? |
| 08:53.38 | nsadmin | do you think their kernel packages are harming your setup (actively, that is)? |
| 08:53.38 | martian67 | dutchfish, i dont want to reinstall |
| 08:53.54 | antivirtel | nsadmin (I am antivirt_E_l) this LVM can only work with 1 HDD, I'm trying it in VBox |
| 08:53.56 | martian67 | im getting loss of connectivity when i use ppp |
| 08:54.01 | dutchfish | peterrooney: ah ok ;) |
| 08:54.10 | martian67 | i already replaced their kernel, solved the issue |
| 08:55.11 | nsadmin | antivirtel, go ahead and set it up on one drive, you can add the others later |
| 08:55.39 | antivirtel | nsadmin may I unmount it first?! |
| 08:55.44 | martian67 | so i dont fear malicious intent |
| 08:55.52 | martian67 | simply crappy custom packages :p |
| 08:56.07 | antivirtel | then I extend it, isn't it? |
| 08:56.12 | nsadmin | so it's not actually a trust issue per se |
| 08:56.21 | Benkinooby | sorry was afk |
| 08:56.24 | martian67 | no it is |
| 08:56.33 | dutchfish | martian67: dpkg -L and apatitudes interactive console should reveal that quickly, isnt it? |
| 08:56.36 | martian67 | just of a different sort |
| 08:56.46 | aurelien | has made libre kernel .deb of the fsfla.org libre kernel source, for people using only Free Software you can find it at :: http://www.fscorsica.org/kernel-en.html |
| 08:56.49 | aurelien | be free |
| 08:57.15 | nsadmin | well we'll leave that bit of semantics alone |
| 08:57.27 | Benkinooby | yow |
| 08:57.30 | Benkinooby | how far? |
| 08:57.35 | dutchfish | s/apatitudes/aptitude's |
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| 08:58.41 | Benkinooby | yow sorry for leaving without a comment... a neighbor needed my help immediately |
| 08:58.45 | nsadmin | you should enumerate the packages that came from them, fix your sources.list, install the packages of the same name and that should be it |
| 08:59.53 | nsadmin | if kernels are involved, you'll have to reboot... make sure the modules you need are installed before you do |
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| 09:01.03 | nsadmin | aurelien: free licenses don't place requirements on use or failure to use other software |
| 09:02.06 | aurelien | free license protect freedom's right of the user |
| 09:02.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds like you've been indoctrinated with something |
| 09:02.57 | nsadmin | ok, we've had our say, now I'm dropping the whole thing |
| 09:03.05 | aurelien | no, i'm just a freedom addict |
| 09:03.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | another day, another dollar |
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| 09:03.38 | aurelien | money don't make anyone free |
| 09:03.54 | Benkinooby | but mor equal |
| 09:03.56 | Benkinooby | more |
| 09:03.58 | Benkinooby | :P |
| 09:04.02 | aurelien | certainly not |
| 09:04.16 | nsadmin | aurelien, agreed... especially worthless fiat moneyh |
| 09:04.35 | Benkinooby | i was not serious... |
| 09:04.48 | dutchfish | points anyone who feels for it to #debian-offtopic |
| 09:04.56 | Benkinooby | *have to look up the difference of sarcasm and irony again -.- * |
| 09:04.56 | aurelien | well, i just told you about the libre kernel, i'm not here to disturb debian |
| 09:05.04 | yow | jpinxN900, dutchfish & Benkinooby, very sorry that i was away from the keyboard again just now |
| 09:05.15 | Benkinooby | no prob... i was too |
| 09:05.23 | dutchfish | yow: np |
| 09:05.23 | Benkinooby | yow so at what point are you now? |
| 09:06.19 | Benkinooby | is grub installed? are you using linux now? |
| 09:06.36 | yow | jpinxN900 & dutchfish, bad ISOs? never thought of that because of the error msgs, and also i found out that they r fragmented as reported by the author's (modified?) grub. i can do a md5 check on the 3 ISOs later |
| 09:07.41 | Benkinooby | yow do you want to start form 0 with linux or try to fixe the current state? i just want to know... |
| 09:07.47 | yow | Benkinooby, i think the easiest and first solution i would try is to locate the files after the 1st free space and move them away and later move them back onto the pendrive. |
| 09:07.58 | yow | Benkinooby, i'll try the 2 partition approach later |
| 09:08.08 | Benkinooby | ok |
| 09:08.19 | Benkinooby | are you now using windows? |
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| 09:10.04 | yow | Benkinooby, i definitely and would like to do it from scratch in the linux way but unless i find some easy or quick step by step guide, otherwise, i may leave it for later as i have to do some work/study and probably prepare some teaching material on ZigBee for Tuesday. |
| 09:10.21 | yow | Benkinooby, im now using Squeeze |
| 09:10.44 | yow | Benkinooby, i use Ubuntu 10.04 too |
| 09:10.59 | Benkinooby | ok |
| 09:11.08 | yow | Benkinooby, actually, i have another problem with using xchat (im using xchat now). |
| 09:12.47 | aurelien | yow maybe you can try erc from emacs |
| 09:13.11 | yow | Benkinooby, on squeeze (xchat 2.8.8), my login name (kcyow@...) is display when someone `/whois yow`, however, on ubuntu 10.04 (xchat 2.8.6), my nick (yow@...) will be displayed. do u know why? is it a bug in xchat 2.8.8? |
| 09:13.32 | yow | aurelien, using emacs? for what? |
| 09:13.42 | aurelien | for your irc |
| 09:13.53 | aurelien | erc is an irc mode |
| 09:14.02 | yow | aurelien, i wish i know how to use emacs but i don't know how to use it |
| 09:14.23 | aurelien | M^x erc in emacs and it's launch |
| 09:14.27 | yow | aurelien, do u mean emacs will hide my login name from /whois? |
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| 09:14.47 | aurelien | yow the cloack wil |
| 09:14.53 | aurelien | ^will |
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| 09:15.47 | yow | aurelien, i wish someone can teach me emacs but i know it's too much to ask for. it took me quite a while to learn VIM and am still learning, afaik, emacs is much more sophisticated and complicated |
| 09:16.12 | yow | aurelien, what's cloack? |
| 09:16.22 | aurelien | you can go to #emacs and for the cloack ask at #freenode |
| 09:16.51 | aurelien | cloack hide the part you want in the whois |
| 09:17.11 | yow | aurelien, xchat 2.8.6 seems to get it right and will show my nick instead of my system login name (or host?). do u know if there's any settings to hide my host/login name but show my nick instead? |
| 09:17.14 | aurelien | and tell people what you do, or your way of think |
| 09:17.35 | aurelien | sorry, i have not use xchat from a while |
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| 09:18.12 | yow | aurelien, ic. thx for your suggestion, i think #freenode is the place to get any solution for my xchat problem |
| 09:18.14 | Benkinooby | yow your filesystem on the pendirve is fat right? i would try to use windows and use the windows-own defragmentation tool |
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| 09:18.46 | yow | Benkinooby, yes, fat32. |
| 09:18.55 | Benkinooby | yow use the windows defrag-tool |
| 09:19.05 | Benkinooby | if you started with windows, finish with windows ;) |
| 09:19.39 | yow | Benkinooby, i did but it failed to defrag the (last) 2 files which i think is normal as defrag has no "human-intelligent" |
| 09:19.53 | aurelien | or stop use proprietary software, they are the jail of your spirit |
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| 09:20.54 | Benkinooby | aurelien, but it helps you to honor free software... despite some it's sicknesses |
| 09:20.58 | martian67 | aurelien, this is not the place for politics, thanks |
| 09:21.06 | Benkinooby | offtopic |
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| 09:21.25 | Benkinooby | yow then remove one of the files, defrag and then copy again |
| 09:21.57 | Benkinooby | or remove both and copy with windows, and if that not works, remove both and copy with linux... |
| 09:23.18 | yow | Benkinooby, i did removed 1 of the ISO and leave 1.2gb on the penrive but windows defrag still failed to do the job |
| 09:23.32 | Benkinooby | remove both |
| 09:23.35 | Benkinooby | and copy again |
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| 09:23.52 | Benkinooby | with win first and if that not works, remove and copy with linux |
| 09:24.40 | yow | Benkinooby, thx for the suggestion, i'll try to remove both and defrag and see if the ISO will all be concatenated one after another. |
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| 09:25.21 | Benkinooby | yow ok |
| 09:25.44 | yow | Benkinooby, thx for your time and effort, i'll try to let u know the outcome later |
| 09:26.06 | Benkinooby | yow you said you are lloking for a setp-by-step linux how-to.... what do you mean with step by step? descriptions or commands? |
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| 09:30.42 | mallxs | hi all |
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| 09:31.26 | yow | Benkinooby, better if step by step commands are available, if not, descriptions is not bad too |
| 09:31.48 | mallxs | I'm now trying to run the mibbrowser but it complains about missing TK.pm but cant find TK.pm in apt-file any idea ? |
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| 09:33.56 | stew | mallxs: if you can find a CPAN module, you can use dh-make-perl to make a .deb from it |
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| 09:35.12 | mallxs | Ok thx.. yestereday tried to use cpan to install perl package but it faild .. but will try this one |
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| 09:36.52 | mallxs | Warning (usually harmless): 'YAML' got this error using cpan |
| 09:36.55 | mallxs | and later |
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| 09:37.05 | mallxs | Could not read '/root/.cpan/build/Tk-804.029-BHIkDL/META.yml' |
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| 09:38.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions mibbrowser |
| 09:38.32 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'mibbrowser' was found. |
| 09:39.31 | mallxs | judd: libsnmp-mib-compiler-perl: /usr/share/doc/libsnmp-mib-compiler-perl/examples/mibbrowser.gz |
| 09:40.23 | nsadmin | there are tools that build perl module packages |
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| 09:41.11 | mallxs | thx thats what stew told me |
| 09:42.10 | nsadmin | are you trying to install perl modules onto a debian-installed perl? or a perl you built and installed yourself outside of /usr? |
| 09:42.33 | mallxs | its on a debian apt-get |
| 09:42.55 | mallxs | yaml-tiny-[erl |
| 09:43.00 | nsadmin | one question, is the module already available as a package? |
| 09:43.05 | mallxs | sorry wrong screen |
| 09:43.53 | mallxs | woow i dont know .. i'm trying to build a mib for a hp switch and run in to this tool |
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| 09:45.09 | nsadmin | what is the full perl module name? |
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| 09:46.14 | mallxs | other dump question: if i try to find a perl module i do apt-cahce search xxxxx | grep perl ........ is that the correct way ? |
| 09:46.36 | poisonbit | Module::Name use to be libmodule-name-perl |
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| 09:48.40 | nsadmin | "correct", dunno. will that get you results, try it and see |
| 09:49.35 | mallxs | Thx poisonbit i have now found perl-tk |
| 09:50.18 | mallxs | lol its the onlyone not following the libmodule-name-perl naming |
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| 09:53.38 | poisonbit | aptitude show libtk-perl [....] Provided by: perl-tk |
| 09:54.48 | mallxs | thx poisonbit ... bbl |
| 09:55.18 | poisonbit | good luck |
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| 09:58.27 | lastboss | i run a box that functions as a NAT gateway with iptables masq, but it's very unstable, and I'm considering moving to debian stable. will that work |
| 09:58.42 | lastboss | it's currently running arch linux |
| 09:59.02 | lastboss | it crashes at random when iptables is running |
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| 10:01.00 | folivora | lastboss: i don't have any problems with my NAT gateway / iptables setup... stable as a rock |
| 10:01.06 | folivora | and it's testing version... |
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| 10:04.32 | lastboss | that sounds good.. there could be a million things causing this unstability though. sometimes my internet uplink also slows from 2MB/s to around 250kB/s, and only a reboot will fix it |
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| 10:15.46 | nsadmin | it's helpful to know what is causing a situation (like slowdowns etc) if you want to fix them |
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| 10:19.46 | Pinchiukas | I'm trying to install Skype to my headless server and this is what I get: http://www.pastie.org/1166355 |
| 10:20.27 | fake51 | hi, I'm looking to run a couple of servers using openvz on a dedicated machine - basically doing some webhosting. What's the best way to handle email and such? |
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| 10:21.05 | fake51 | currently looking at using nginx as a reverse proxy for imap/smtp, to send email and imap requests on to individual containers - is this a good way of handling it? |
| 10:21.15 | fake51 | apologies if I got the wrong channel, btw |
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| 10:23.15 | nsadmin | Pinchiukas: skype comes in a debian package and is in main where all the other free software is? |
| 10:23.44 | Pinchiukas | "Is in main"? |
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| 10:24.21 | Bushmills | i suppose he means to say "why do you ask debian instead of skype support?" |
| 10:24.33 | hsa2 | hello, i am using bind9 as dns server, and i have multiple zones for multiple virtual hosts. i want to disable daemons.log logging for a specific zone, is it possible? |
| 10:24.38 | Pinchiukas | I'm asking why doesn't Debian install the dependencies. |
| 10:24.45 | Pinchiukas | It does for other packages... |
| 10:25.25 | nsadmin | so it's packaged and the dependencies are listed in a form that debian packaging can resolve them? |
| 10:25.28 | Bushmills | yes, it does for packes from debian |
| 10:25.33 | Bushmills | packages |
| 10:25.51 | Pinchiukas | I have no idea how "the dependencies are listed" |
| 10:26.17 | Bushmills | maybe skype support can tell you why the skype package doesn't set the deps for installation |
| 10:26.20 | nsadmin | let me drop the hard line for a moment; |
| 10:26.52 | petemc | skype in main? |
| 10:26.54 | nsadmin | if you find someone who does know here, more power to you... but I thought skype was not in debian |
| 10:27.02 | Pinchiukas | What is "main"? |
| 10:27.24 | Pinchiukas | I downloaded the package from skype.com. |
| 10:27.46 | petemc | Pinchiukas: dpkg on its own doesnt do dependancy resolution, you can can try running aptitude -f install after dpkg to see if it will install what you need |
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| 10:27.59 | nsadmin | main is the section of debian packages that follow dfsg-free guidelines |
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| 10:28.49 | fake51 | skype does not look like it's in main |
| 10:28.55 | fake51 | at least not in Lenny |
| 10:29.10 | Bushmills | proprietary software isn't in main |
| 10:29.13 | nsadmin | the page where you got the skype package from should list the dependencies |
| 10:29.26 | Pinchiukas | So how do I install a .deb package with all its dependencies? |
| 10:29.50 | nsadmin | first, find what the dependencies are |
| 10:29.53 | nsadmin | then install them |
| 10:29.56 | lcuk | hey debianites \o have a question: supposing I download (via git or other) a source package and cd into its folder, is there a dpkg-* command for getting the builddeps, this of course assumes the source was not in the repository already. |
| 10:30.16 | lcuk | and hence I couldn't just use apt-get builddep ... |
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| 10:30.37 | nsadmin | generally no |
| 10:31.10 | nsadmin | you have to find out what the dependencies are, then install them |
| 10:31.11 | lcuk | thats unfortunate, it happens often whilst I am browsing around in the source code wildzones |
| 10:31.29 | nsadmin | and for your case specifically, you may have -build- dependencies to install |
| 10:32.00 | lcuk | usually no, this is wrt a specific package but the problem is generic |
| 10:32.29 | nsadmin | for the generic case, the answer is no |
| 10:32.41 | nsadmin | you have to find out what the deps are and install them |
| 10:32.49 | Pinchiukas | nsadmin: can't debian install the dependencies automatically? |
| 10:32.55 | lcuk | yeah I have taken to listing the apt-get install *-dev line in the readme |
| 10:33.07 | lcuk | to simplify specific case |
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| 10:34.21 | petemc | Pinchiukas: if you stick to software from the debian repositories it will sort the deps automatically, if you grab random deb files and try to install them its more difficult, but you can try running aptitude -f install after failing dpkg -i skype.deb |
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| 10:34.23 | nsadmin | Pinchiukas: while you're installing binary-only software and lcuk is trying to build something, your cases have some similarities |
| 10:34.59 | superlinux | I just want to know on debian, what package would help build bluez with ALSA support? |
| 10:35.23 | Pinchiukas | "skype: Depends: libasound2 (> 1.0.16) but it is not installable" - why is it not installable? |
| 10:35.39 | nsadmin | petemc: would that be for the case where a .deb (say, from outside debian) is unpacked but not yet configured, due to missing deps? |
| 10:35.49 | petemc | possibly |
| 10:36.10 | petemc | provided the corrent version of the deps is available |
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| 10:36.39 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: apt-cache policy libasound2 will tell which versions _are_ available |
| 10:37.06 | nsadmin | so you're saying that given the right versions of things are available, aptitude -f install will try to fill in missing deps in the case of an unpacked .deb? |
| 10:37.16 | jelly-home | nsadmin: yes |
| 10:37.16 | petemc | yes |
| 10:37.18 | lcuk | for the binary deb case, you can use dpkg-deb --field [package.deb] |
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| 10:38.07 | jelly-home | nsadmin: also, this case (-f install) is one when apt-get may be smarter than aptitude |
| 10:38.31 | nsadmin | why would it be smarter? |
| 10:38.44 | petemc | better programming? |
| 10:39.18 | lcuk | does anyone know whether theres a ML specifically for the dpkg-* tools? |
| 10:39.21 | jelly-home | who knows? Sometimes it works out better |
| 10:39.39 | lcuk | so I can see whether what I am thinking has been discussed |
| 10:40.36 | Pinchiukas | jelly-home: http://www.pastie.org/1166372 |
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| 10:41.59 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: hm, so any of those two ought to work |
| 10:42.16 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: does apt-get -f install offer to install it? |
| 10:42.28 | Pinchiukas | "apt-get -f install" what? |
| 10:42.35 | jelly-home | nothing, just that |
| 10:45.31 | Pinchiukas | jelly-home: http://www.pastie.org/1166377 - why does it want to install some bunch of packages now? I haven't installed the Skype package yet and everything seemed to be fine with the dependencies... |
| 10:45.55 | Pinchiukas | # dpkg -l|grep Skype |
| 10:45.55 | Pinchiukas | iU skype 2.1.0.81-1 Skype |
| 10:46.32 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: apt tries to get its database into a consistent state, and those are the changes it thinks need to be done. |
| 10:46.50 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: a status of U is not "everything fine" |
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| 10:47.33 | Pinchiukas | I thought it didn't install this package... |
| 10:47.59 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: dpkg unpacked it and failed to proceed further. |
| 10:48.23 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: if you don't want it installed, tell eg. dpkg to remove or purge skype. |
| 10:48.33 | Pinchiukas | What does that U mean? The i means that it's installed as far as I can tell. |
| 10:48.45 | nsadmin | Unpacked |
| 10:49.05 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: read the first 2-3 lines of dpkg -l output, it provides short explanations |
| 10:49.10 | Pinchiukas | Oh, I've got lost in the lines. :) |
| 10:49.16 | Pinchiukas | Yeah, I've been reading that. |
| 10:49.22 | d1b | oh hai, nay networking people here? |
| 10:49.23 | Pinchiukas | So it's only unpacked, but not installed? |
| 10:49.34 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 10:49.37 | d1b | trying to understand how to with, interfaces, configure a bridge that is only loopback |
| 10:49.43 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: first letter is "Desired", second letter is actual Status |
| 10:49.46 | d1b | doesn't seem to be as trivial as i would like it to be |
| 10:49.54 | Pinchiukas | jelly-home: :) |
| 10:49.57 | d1b | it only need brctl addbr foo && ifconfig foo up |
| 10:50.00 | nsadmin | a bridge cannot use loopback |
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| 10:50.31 | runemaste | G'day guys, ive got a quick question: any idea why clamd on my mail/webserver is using 200+ mb of ram? |
| 10:50.47 | jelly-home | d1b: man bridge-utils-interfaces |
| 10:50.49 | Digdilem | runemaste, large amount of signatures loaded? |
| 10:50.54 | d1b | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/VwL6xKZW |
| 10:50.56 | d1b | jelly-home: oh ? |
| 10:51.10 | d1b | jelly-home: i didn't see that referenced in man interfaces |
| 10:51.18 | runemaste | Digdilem, is there any way to bring down the usage? its killing my VPS =/ |
| 10:51.27 | jelly-home | d1b: it's not! |
| 10:51.28 | d1b | See also is just iwconfig ifup and run-parts |
| 10:51.31 | runemaste | i dont know much about clamd =/ |
| 10:51.33 | d1b | jelly-home: i'm filing a bug! |
| 10:52.05 | nsadmin | I'm bugs about the beatles |
| 10:52.05 | Digdilem | runemaste, don't know sorry. |
| 10:52.16 | runemaste | thanks anyway Digdilem |
| 10:52.29 | jelly-home | d1b: there are lots of packages bringing extensions to interfaces format. Each one comes with its own documentation, and that goes for bridge-utils as well |
| 10:52.30 | Pinchiukas | jelly-home: if the status is 'rc' it means that the package is removed but the config files are still on the system? |
| 10:52.35 | d1b | jelly-home: so with my setup / thing there -> is that trivial in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 10:52.49 | d1b | just a named new bridge brought up :) |
| 10:52.54 | jelly-home | d1b: I don't know, rtfm and tell us. |
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| 10:54.33 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: yes. If you purge the package everything is supposed to be removed. |
| 10:54.43 | d1b | jelly-home: OH K |
| 10:54.45 | d1b | first i file bug! |
| 10:55.46 | jelly-home | d1b: I hope you get somewhere with that bug, it would be nice if they mentioned where vlan, bridge-utils and wifi stuff syntax can be found |
| 10:56.49 | jelly-home | d1b: but basically, if you installed a package like "bridge-utils" by yourself, you're probably able to look at its contents and find the extra man page |
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| 10:58.39 | Pinchiukas | jelly-home: gow can I remove the config files? 'purge' doesn't seem to work. |
| 10:59.31 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: what is the complete command that fails to work? Have you checked your syntax with the manual? |
| 11:00.39 | Pinchiukas | jelly-home: http://www.pastie.org/1166394 |
| 11:01.31 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: I'll leave you to learn the apt-get syntax for purging by yourself. You can also do it with aptitude or dpkg. Each has a different syntax. |
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| 11:02.11 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: that output looks fine, though. |
| 11:02.35 | Pinchiukas | Yes, except that it doesn't remove the packages. :) |
| 11:03.12 | Pinchiukas | I mean, the config files. |
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| 11:03.47 | d1b | jelly-home: no i didn't! |
| 11:03.51 | d1b | it was pulled in for me ;) |
| 11:03.53 | d1b | kvmz |
| 11:04.32 | jelly-home | d1b: you're also supposed to be able to find which package brctl comes from, and then look at its contents... I might be stretching it |
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| 11:09.20 | J11 | is it possible to open port 1194 on a router via upnp on debian? |
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| 11:17.11 | Pinchiukas | Should be imho. |
| 11:19.04 | J11 | well im trying to intall openvpn somewhere remote, and i don't have the router pass, so maybe upnp will work |
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| 11:20.26 | cast_ | this whole automagic port forwarding thing, seems very insecure to me |
| 11:21.09 | nsadmin | if the router isn't yours, you probably shouldn't be changing it |
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| 11:22.18 | J11 | well it's my brother's so it's ok, as it 4 am where he lives i cant ask him that now |
| 11:23.23 | J11 | unless he already forwarded it of course |
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| 11:31.40 | maradona | hello my friends, I want to setup a mailserver so my monitoring tools can send me an email when something goes wrong. What's the best way to setup an emailserver (I need to send email to the internetworls |
| 11:32.27 | nsadmin | if you're running debian you probably already have exim set up |
| 11:33.01 | nsadmin | telnet localhost 25 |
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| 11:33.21 | nsadmin | if you get connected to something, you have an mta |
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| 11:36.21 | maradona | nsadmin, thnx |
| 11:38.48 | maradona | nsadmin, I found out I don't have exim on my Lenny, I remember I did a bare install without any GUI or web/email server. Cause I wanted to install it myself manually so I know how it works. |
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| 11:39.43 | maradona | but which one is better to use: Sendmail or Exim4? |
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| 11:40.04 | llutz | maradona: for that purpose:ssmtp |
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| 11:40.54 | maradona | ssmtp? never heard about it. Is that a commonly used one? |
| 11:41.09 | jelly-home | !nullmailer |
| 11:41.21 | jelly-home | dpkg: why are you still away |
| 11:41.25 | nsadmin | unless you're running some huge university mail service, don't use sendmail |
| 11:41.29 | llutz | maradona: it is. just basic functionality, no blown mta needed for your idea |
| 11:41.59 | nsadmin | unless you understand email in general -totally- and sendmail specifically, don't use sendmail' |
| 11:42.07 | jelly-home | maradona: nullmailer is "a minimal <MTA> for hosts which just sends directly to smart relays, packaged for Debian. Does not support /etc/aliases; define a catch-all alias in /etc/nullmailer/adminaddr instead, see adminaddr(5). http://untroubled.org/nullmailer/ See also <ssmtp>." |
| 11:42.16 | jelly-home | maradona: ssmtp is also decent |
| 11:42.19 | llutz | there is no reason at all to use sendmail today (imo) |
| 11:45.06 | maradona | guys thank you very much. But for my job and future reasons I think I'll dive into exim4. I need to understand the mail concept, I know there is 3 parts of it, MUA, MTA, MDA. I think it's important to understand what's going on, so I can be more flexible to get things done. But to begin with I might try ssmtp first. |
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| 11:57.21 | mallxs | Hi using gnome is the display still hostname:0.0 ? |
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| 12:00.41 | jelly-home | maradona: postfix is nice, too, and perhaps easier to comprehend than exim |
| 12:02.55 | nsadmin | mallxs: I think "man X" would be a good read for you |
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| 12:04.01 | Legate | Do I have to restart a server when aptitude upgrades to a new kernel-image? |
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| 12:05.20 | flo` | hi |
| 12:05.27 | nsadmin | a new kernel image implies a new kernel... if you want to run a different kernel from the one you're running you would have to reboot |
| 12:06.20 | flo` | i'm going to setup a webserver with php on my local machine to do local web-page-testing. |
| 12:06.49 | flo` | which server should i use, and which settings do i have to do to not create a possible security hole? |
| 12:06.59 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 12:07.11 | nsadmin | if you're testing, run it inside a private net |
| 12:07.32 | flo` | well, i need it only bind to localhost... |
| 12:07.54 | flo` | so, i assume, telling it "only bind to 127.0.0.1" should be enough... |
| 12:07.57 | flo` | is that correct? |
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| 12:08.30 | nsadmin | if you do that, then you would only be able to browse from the same machine the server is running on |
| 12:08.43 | flo` | that's what i want |
| 12:09.01 | flo` | ok. good. |
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| 12:09.02 | nsadmin | well there ya go then :) |
| 12:09.21 | flo` | and, which server should i use? |
| 12:09.36 | flo` | i only need a bit of php, mysql and http to get started with that stuff |
| 12:09.50 | flo` | i assume apache is a bit heavy for getting started, isn't it? |
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| 12:12.45 | flo` | can anyone please recommend me a small webserver to get started with php and mysql stuff? |
| 12:12.48 | nsadmin | what web server do you know? |
| 12:13.06 | flo` | well, i haven't experience with any server |
| 12:13.13 | flo` | but i know that apache exists ;) |
| 12:14.01 | Legate | nsadmin: For example, linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 2.6.26-25lenny1 was released a few days ago. It is labeled as stable-security, urgency=high. So I guess everyone running lenny should upgrade to it. But I wasn't aware that everyone is currenlty rebooting his/her servers... |
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| 12:15.06 | nsadmin | Legate: if you upgrade to it but you don't reboot, you will be still running the old one |
| 12:15.25 | Legate | nsadmin: ok |
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| 12:16.07 | nsadmin | if it's a production web server, maybe you should schedule the reboot |
| 12:16.12 | Legate | nsadmin: I was just wondering. Suppose Freenode is running on Lenny. Now they'd have to reboot all their servers, so user's would be disconnected. But I don't see that happening. Is that because they're not running Lenny or because of something else? |
| 12:16.38 | nsadmin | freenode runs on many different unix-alikes |
| 12:17.12 | nsadmin | they are running production services, so they schedule their reboots |
| 12:17.52 | flo` | Legate, there is a kernel extension that allows you to switch between kernels on-the-fly |
| 12:17.56 | Legate | So they are upgrading their servers when a kernel security patch is released, but they make sure nobody is connected through a specific server when they reboot it? |
| 12:18.04 | flo` | however, to me this looks pretty hacky ;) |
| 12:18.44 | Legate | I know some people brag about server uptimes of several years, but how is that possible when every few months a security patch for the Linux kernel is released? |
| 12:19.04 | nsadmin | no, they schedule their reboots then they reboot at that time, and anyone on it is dumped |
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| 12:20.09 | jelly-home | Legate: security is a complex issue, and more social than technical at times |
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| 12:20.45 | Pinchiukas | How do I make 'man' and 'less' show percentage of the file that I'm at? |
| 12:21.02 | jelly-home | Legate: if you have a system in an isolated network segment, with only trusted users allowed, you might ignore local privilege escalations |
| 12:21.30 | Legate | jelly-home: so you only really have to apply kernel updates to servers that are accessible from the outside? |
| 12:22.15 | jelly-home | Legate: you have to weigh the risks, consider possible consequences, and then choose a plan of action. |
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| 12:23.05 | Legate | jelly-home: why would anyone risk running a publicly accessible server with an unsafe kernel? |
| 12:23.11 | anddam | why is the DVD set much bigger than CD set? |
| 12:23.14 | jpinxN900 | Pinchiukas: = |
| 12:23.37 | jpinxN900 | Pinchiukas: it'snot %age, but line number |
| 12:23.38 | Pinchiukas | jpinxN900: how about the percentage? And how can I make this the default? Other distros have this as default. |
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| 12:24.58 | jpinxN900 | Pinchiukas: man less ;) |
| 12:25.02 | jelly-home | Legate: possble reasons: a) the cost of replacing the OS is low b) there's no important or sensitive data on it c) there are greater risks in their infrastructure to be solved first |
| 12:25.09 | Pinchiukas | jpinxN900: nope. |
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| 12:25.33 | ZeuZ | Hey all, I've got a bridged network from KVM, in interface BR0, I want to protect all machines in there from more tha one concurrent connection on port 44405, so I tried this: iptables -A INPUT -i br0 -p tcp --syn --dport 44405 -m connlimit --connlimit-above 1 -j REJECT but alas, it seems that it's not working, any ideas? |
| 12:25.41 | anddam | my bad, I was looking at debian-update that's just 7 CDs iso, but base still is 31 CD images |
| 12:25.59 | Legate | jelly-home: ok, thanks for the information |
| 12:26.18 | anddam | bye |
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| 12:27.06 | jelly-home | Legate: if it's a publicly accessible machine with users you can't trust, there are methods to improve the security and reduce the attack surface. Eg. where I work at, shared web hosting machines use kernels with grsecurity patchset. |
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| 12:31.59 | Legate | jelly-home: On our servers, I can pretty much trust everyone who can login. By "publicly accessible" I actually meant that it is possible to connect from the outside world. Only with about 6 of our 40 servers this is possible. All the others can only be reached by some of these 6 servers. So I guess I don't need to worry about those not directly accessible. But shouldn't I be worried about kernel bugs making it possible for attackers t |
| 12:31.59 | Legate | o compromise one of the 6 servers? |
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| 12:34.14 | pickcoder | Legate: that's always a concern |
| 12:35.13 | Legate | pickcoder: so these servers should always be rebooted when the kernel image is updated? |
| 12:35.18 | pickcoder | the only server safe from 'net hacking is one that's not connected |
| 12:35.28 | pickcoder | that's subjective |
| 12:36.00 | Legate | how do I decide? |
| 12:36.31 | pickcoder | if the patches fix a vulnerability issue that could be encountered by your setup then reboot it |
| 12:37.04 | pickcoder | more often than not, it's a software bug that you'll have to deal with |
| 12:37.11 | pickcoder | unless you have a ton of services open |
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| 12:37.34 | pickcoder | then the chances are higher that a kernel buffer or some other root access exploit can be taken advantage of |
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| 12:38.19 | pickcoder | I never expose a machine directly to the 'net |
| 12:38.36 | pickcoder | the only machine that has a nic plugged into a live port is a router |
| 12:38.48 | pickcoder | the rest is NAT'd across firewalls |
| 12:38.52 | pickcoder | s/is/are |
| 12:40.42 | jelly-home | Legate: typically one puts the machines exposed to the net into a separate segment, and establishes a perimeter so that one _can't_ reach any other machines from there |
| 12:41.45 | Legate | well, we have about 40 servers. accessible are things like web, mail, intranet, intranet-web or the login server. Especially the login server can connect to _any_ other server. |
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| 12:42.12 | Legate | which makes sense, as everyone is running their screen sessions on this one |
| 12:42.22 | jelly-home | web, mail and similar should only have their relevant services exposed |
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| 12:42.51 | Legate | yeah, but if there would be a bug in iptables, we might have a real problem anyway |
| 12:43.00 | pickcoder | then you should be forcing a VPN or some other protected channel to access those services if they are not "public" services |
| 12:43.14 | pickcoder | then you mostly have the VPN service to contend with |
| 12:43.50 | jelly-home | Legate: oh, if you have a shell account machine like that, it should only be able to connect to others, but not the other way around |
| 12:44.25 | Legate | jelly-home: what do you mean? everyone has to be able to ssh into the login server and then ssh to any other machine |
| 12:44.35 | pickcoder | (unless I'm thinking of that backwards as in 'net->login server->local machine |
| 12:45.16 | jelly-home | Legate: allow only workstation LAN segment to log in to login-server, noone else (especially not other servers) |
| 12:46.02 | Legate | jelly-home: but we have to be able to administer every server remotely. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to do anything right now |
| 12:46.40 | jelly-home | Legate: VPN |
| 12:46.53 | pickcoder | Legate: you can do that with two VPN setups.. one for admin and one for users |
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| 12:47.09 | pickcoder | each has a different network so you can control routing on each destination machine |
| 12:47.12 | Legate | jelly-home, pickcoder: I see. So VPN would be safer than SSH? |
| 12:47.46 | jelly-home | Legate: yes. You don't need ssh exposed to the internets. |
| 12:47.58 | Legate | jelly-home: but then I would have vpn exposed |
| 12:48.03 | jelly-home | indeed. |
| 12:48.15 | Pinchiukas | How do I make 'man' and 'less' show percentage of the file that I'm at? |
| 12:48.48 | jelly-home | Legate: one vpn point of entry seems more manageable than multiple ssh services on various servers |
| 12:49.34 | pickcoder | Legate: it is extremely difficult to brute force attack a VPN connection the way SSH can be attacked. You need the matching certificate. However, it can still be ddos'd. |
| 12:49.42 | Legate | jelly-home: but right now, we have only one ssh point of entry. If you want to reach say the database server, you have to first ssh into the login server and then ssh to the database server. The only way into the network is through ssh on the login server |
| 12:50.19 | xyan | when configuring a kernel is there a make target which always selects no for new option which could be used for an automated kernel build? |
| 12:50.33 | pickcoder | Legate: that's fine if you control SSH connectivity by only allowing certain IPs to connect |
| 12:50.33 | ZeuZ | Hey all, I've got a bridged network from KVM, in interface BR0, I want to protect all machines in there from more tha one concurrent connection on port 44405, so I tried this: iptables -A INPUT -i br0 -p tcp --syn --dport 44405 -m connlimit --connlimit-above 1 -j REJECT but alas, it seems that it's not working, any ideas? |
| 12:50.48 | pickcoder | still, I prefer the same IP restrictions AND a VPN |
| 12:51.04 | jelly-home | Legate: that's nice to have as a fallback solution. We have something like that allowed only from certain static IPs. |
| 12:51.50 | jelly-home | Legate: it's logically equivalent, esp. if you only use key-based auth |
| 12:52.14 | Legate | pickcoder: we don't. Every one of us has to be able to login regardless of the IP range he/she is in. If I'd go on holidays to Canada I still want to be able to login, even if I have a totally other IP then here. |
| 12:52.29 | Legate | than* |
| 12:52.37 | jelly-home | Legate: that's what vpn is for |
| 12:52.40 | jpinxN900 | I have gremlins in my usb networking between the eeepc and n900 -- I can plug it in sometimes and it just works, other times it refuses and takes several re-plugins with long pauses to make it happen. Any ideas? |
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| 12:53.06 | Legate | jelly-home: Ah, ok. I think I got it. Thanks for the info. |
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| 13:04.04 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
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| 13:05.30 | ZeuZ | Hey all, I've got a bridged network from KVM, in interface BR0, I want to protect all machines in there from more tha one concurrent connection on port 44405, so I tried this: iptables -A INPUT -i br0 -p tcp --syn --dport 44405 -m connlimit --connlimit-above 1 -j REJECT but alas, it seems that it's not working, any ideas? |
| 13:12.28 | datacrusher | is there a way to add another identical drive to a regular debian instalation, and do some sort of raid to expand a partition in special, like /var |
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| 13:27.59 | sedulous | datacrusher: you can mount the new drive to some place, e.g. /mnt/foo, mv /var/* /mnt/foo/, umount /mnt/foo and then mount at /var/ |
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| 13:28.56 | sedulous | datacrusher: alternatively, just move the whole /var/ folder and symlink: ln -s /mnt/foo/var/ / |
| 13:33.55 | antivirtel | what does it mean: "Standard System" when I can choose software?! |
| 13:34.08 | antivirtel | (debian installion) |
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| 13:36.26 | phogg | antivirtel: I do not understand the question |
| 13:36.30 | bolt | antivirtel: just a bunch of normally useful tools |
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| 13:36.47 | antivirtel | bolt and Laptop means laptop things? |
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| 13:36.53 | bolt | yep |
| 13:36.58 | antivirtel | phogg sry.. my bad englisg |
| 13:36.59 | Raven007 | hello |
| 13:37.10 | jelly-home | antivirtel: http://ircbots.debian.net/factoid.php?key=standard+task |
| 13:37.24 | antivirtel | bolt SQL database is psgsql in default? I want only mysql, or it is installed also? |
| 13:37.51 | bolt | antivirtel: you are perfectly free to install none of those and choose your packages afterwards |
| 13:38.05 | jelly-home | antivirtel: you can install anything you want later as well, provided an internet connection |
| 13:38.18 | antivirtel | ahh ok :) |
| 13:38.55 | antivirtel | thanks |
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| 13:39.47 | jmd | which package provides po-mode? |
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| 13:42.20 | antivirtel | bolt, when I wanted to LVM, it installed me Lilo, but now without LVM it instals me GRUB, I want to use grub...why?! |
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| 13:44.41 | Warlord | does anyone know of a honeypot better than Kojoney and kippo? |
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| 13:46.57 | bolt | antivirtel: i don't know. i've always gotten grub |
| 13:47.06 | antivirtel | nice :D |
| 13:47.21 | bolt | again, you can install grub afterwards if you select lilo by mistake |
| 13:47.39 | antivirtel | bolt, I need to add an extra repo, because mc isnt found?! |
| 13:47.41 | bolt | all that install yadayada is just to get your machine booting |
| 13:47.46 | bolt | you can change everything afterwards |
| 13:48.02 | jmd | I thought lilo had been deprecated along with kermit and uucp. |
| 13:48.42 | jelly-home | antivirtel: task selector in the installer is jsut for rough selection of packages that are going to be available immediately |
| 13:48.56 | jelly-home | antivirtel: rest assured mc is present in debian |
| 13:49.04 | jelly-home | ,info mc |
| 13:49.05 | judd | mc (utils, optional): midnight commander - a powerful file manager. Version: 2:4.6.2~git20080311-4; Size: 2090.1k; Installed: 6252k; Homepage: http://www.ibiblio.org/mc/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/mc |
| 13:49.52 | jelly-home | antivirtel: you can leave everything unselected, and that will leave you with a base debian system |
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| 13:50.38 | antivirtel | jelly-home - but "apt-get update && apt-get install mc" shows me: not found: mc |
| 13:51.18 | jelly-home | antivirtel: pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
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| 13:51.34 | antivirtel | ok |
| 13:51.51 | jelly-home | antivirtel: also, use of aptitude seems to be preferred to apt-get these days |
| 13:54.08 | antivirtel | jelly-home only security.debian.org & volatile.debian.org(I'm sorry, but I cant copy from VBox ... |
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| 13:54.29 | folivora | Hey, how i can configure dhcp3-server to give name with ipaddress to clients like computer1.dlan.home.net computer2.dlan.home.net .. So all the clients would be reachable via x.dlan.home.net ? |
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| 13:54.54 | Warlord | does anyone know of a honeypot better than Kojoney and kippo? |
| 13:55.10 | jmd | Warlord, Apparently not. |
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| 13:56.40 | bolt | folivora: since you're asking that question, i kind of doubt you have access to enough public ip addresses to do that... |
| 13:56.43 | ZeuZ | Hey all, I've got a bridged network from KVM, in interface BR0, I want to protect all machines in there from more tha one concurrent connection on port 44405, so I tried this: iptables -A INPUT -i br0 -p tcp --syn --dport 44405 -m connlimit --connlimit-above 1 -j REJECT but alas, it seems that it's not working, any ideas? |
| 13:57.11 | stew | antivirtel: you need a main mirror two, neither volatile nor security are full repositories. what country is the machine in? |
| 13:58.19 | jmd | ZeuZ, I suggest you ask on one of the linux forums, since this is a Linux specific question. |
| 13:58.31 | antivirtel | stew - it is a test machine, a virtualbox emulation on my desk(ubuntu 10.4) & I'll setup a server monday or thuesday, but I never done it before, I want to practice it :D |
| 13:58.34 | folivora | bolt: ... sorry i forgot to write that for LAN-usage :) |
| 13:58.40 | ZeuZ | jmd, yes but so is this channel ;) |
| 13:58.46 | ZeuZ | Though I've also done so |
| 13:58.53 | antivirtel | stew - I'm now in Hungary, but server is Slovakia |
| 13:58.55 | ZeuZ | Tried pretty much everything but ebtables |
| 13:58.56 | antivirtel | *in |
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| 14:02.42 | stew | antivirtel: then you'll want to add something like "deb http://ftp.sk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main" |
| 14:02.48 | stew | antivirtel: assuming you are running lenny |
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| 14:03.18 | Cisien | can ext4 be resized? |
| 14:03.27 | antivirtel | stew - lenny is the stable now, and squeeze is in test mode, isnt it?! |
| 14:03.28 | jmd | ZeuZ, Err no. This is #debian not a linux channel. |
| 14:03.42 | stew | Cisien: yes, with resize2fs |
| 14:03.44 | stew | antivirtel: yes |
| 14:03.55 | Cisien | thanks |
| 14:04.11 | Cisien | i guess a better question is, how do i resize the partition |
| 14:04.13 | antivirtel | stew - tx, what long will be lenny supported from now?! |
| 14:04.28 | stew | antivirtel: for 1 year after squeeze becomes stable |
| 14:04.28 | ZeuZ | jmd, by extention, since it's a GNU/Linux Distro, and iptables is uniform in 2.6 kernel, it's still the same. |
| 14:04.38 | ZeuZ | but anyways |
| 14:05.06 | jmd | Linux is just one possible kernel that can be installed with Debian. |
| 14:05.23 | antivirtel | stew... hmm that isnt so good news, the release date of squeeze is known? |
| 14:06.00 | jmd | You might as well ask a sendmail question since that is one possible mailserver that can also be installed with Debian. |
| 14:09.05 | ZeuZ | jmd, is there anybody serious about kFreeBSD or the hurd port? Not flamebait, but curious question. |
| 14:09.21 | ZeuZ | I do get your point, but nevertheless, someone MIGHT have known and answered |
| 14:09.33 | antivirtel | stew tx the repo, it works :) |
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| 14:14.09 | nsadmin | Cisien, <stew> Cisien: yes, with resize2fs |
| 14:14.27 | nsadmin | resize2fs has documentation |
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| 14:17.48 | qq- | ZeuZ, may test mini.iso > http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/kfreebsd-i386/daily/netboot/ |
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| 14:18.14 | infinity0 | my audio capture (ALSA) isn't working, how do i try to fix this? |
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| 14:25.11 | cahoot | enabled it in alsamixer? |
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| 14:28.16 | nsadmin | he;s gone... I /msgd him: find out why |
| 14:28.19 | Cain | Hi, i just saw those messages on my ssh session : http://pastebin.com/vMTCXq1U what's the meaning of this ? |
| 14:28.49 | Cain | SRC=ServerIP DST=ForeignIP |
| 14:29.27 | nsadmin | what program wrote them? |
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| 14:34.31 | Cain | i don't know if anyone responds to my request |
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| 14:38.29 | Raggs | is there an auto-cmoplete for packages in apt-get for example apt-get install ice <tab> <tab> would show all available that start with ice |
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| 14:42.09 | xyan | Raggs: install bash-completion and . /etc/bash_completion |
| 14:42.21 | xyan | and add it to your .bashrc |
| 14:43.27 | Raggs | wow, i didnt know it would work with apt-get packagename |
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| 14:45.42 | xyan | Raggs: bash_completion actually does alot of stuff (and calls everything from /etc/bash_completion.d/) if you feel it beeing slow there are several autocompletion rules in /etc/bash_completion.d/ you can pick from. like . /etc/bash_completion.d/apt |
| 14:46.03 | Raggs | xyan, yu |
| 14:47.05 | xyan | Raggs: ? |
| 14:47.24 | Raggs | ty |
| 14:47.28 | Raggs | oops |
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| 14:47.40 | xyan | laughs |
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| 14:48.46 | Raggs | xyan, how do i add it to the .bashrc? wait, not how, but what do i add to it? |
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| 14:49.06 | Muisje | is it possible to make a complete copy of a linux box? |
| 14:49.28 | nsadmin | first you'll need a copy of a box... |
| 14:49.29 | Muisje | As in copy all files and everything, and then on a new install copy all the files back? |
| 14:49.49 | xyan | Raggs: for everything ". /etc/bash_completion" the dot is shorthand for "source /etc/bash_completion" |
| 14:49.49 | nsadmin | yes you can do that |
| 14:50.03 | Muisje | That would be so awesome |
| 14:50.10 | nsadmin | ok |
| 14:50.25 | Muisje | So if i just copy all /home /boot etc |
| 14:50.32 | Muisje | and then later when the server is reinstalled |
| 14:50.37 | Muisje | copy /home /boot back |
| 14:50.39 | Muisje | and reboot |
| 14:50.45 | Muisje | i have the exact setup as i had before? |
| 14:50.52 | nsadmin | maybe |
| 14:51.03 | Muisje | maybe asin? |
| 14:51.04 | nsadmin | you might have to install grub |
| 14:51.19 | Muisje | isn't grub installed in /boot? |
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| 14:51.36 | nsadmin | unless you know EXACTLY how it is installed and copy it properly |
| 14:51.41 | Raggs | xyan, no quotes though right? |
| 14:51.53 | xyan | Raggs: sure |
| 14:52.10 | aguitel | where is dpkg ? |
| 14:52.46 | vlan7 | whereis dpkg |
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| 14:52.53 | jhutchins_lt | musca: no. |
| 14:53.09 | jhutchins_lt | Muisje: No. |
| 14:53.10 | Raggs | xyan, thank you again |
| 14:53.19 | xyan | Raggs: no problem |
| 14:53.40 | Muisje | jhutchins, how you mean no? |
| 14:53.42 | jhutchins_lt | Muisje: You could boot to something like a live CD and copy everything to a new box. |
| 14:53.59 | jhutchins_lt | Muisje: Mixing a new install with a copy-over could have unexpected results. |
| 14:54.08 | jhutchins_lt | Muisje: No, grub is not entirely in /boot. |
| 14:54.12 | Muisje | k |
| 14:54.32 | Muisje | So even if i would copy ALL files, every single bit of them |
| 14:54.37 | Muisje | and put them back over a new install |
| 14:54.38 | jhutchins_lt | What's your actual goal? |
| 14:54.41 | Muisje | it will not be the same |
| 14:54.52 | jhutchins_lt | Muisje: Like I said, unexpected results. |
| 14:55.15 | Muisje | My actual goal is to install proxmox, to provide virtual servers. But i need a partition scheme with LVM configured. and it currently does not have that. |
| 14:55.20 | jhutchins_lt | Muisje: You can clone a system - install all the same packages. |
| 14:55.46 | nsadmin | you'll probably want to make a grub2 rescue image and write it to a cd |
| 14:55.49 | Muisje | And i heard it's impossible to enable LVM on a live machine |
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| 14:55.56 | jmd | jhutchins, If you anticipate something to have unexpected results, then by definition the results are not unexpected. |
| 14:56.24 | nsadmin | that's bullshit... it is possible, it just depends on what drivers are present |
| 14:57.03 | Muisje | Ok, point is the server needs to be reinstalled |
| 14:57.11 | jhutchins_lt | Muisje: I don't work with lvm, I consider it a hazard, an additional point of failure, and deliberate poor planning. |
| 14:57.14 | Muisje | and i want to have exactly whats on it now, to be on it after |
| 14:57.28 | Muisje | LVM, it's required for Proxmox |
| 14:57.34 | Muisje | so too bad, i have to have it. |
| 14:57.35 | Muisje | :) |
| 14:57.50 | Muisje | it's for making good backups of virtual servers |
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| 14:58.00 | Muisje | so i never have to deal with this crap again if i need to change something |
| 14:58.02 | jhutchins_lt | Muisje: Well, you're off into unknown territory with proxmox anyway. |
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| 14:58.41 | Muisje | Let's keep it to what i need |
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| 14:58.59 | Muisje | What is the best way to copy all things i installed onto a new fresh installation |
| 14:59.59 | jhutchins_lt | Using the clone procedure - details of which are off-line at the moment. |
| 15:00.22 | Muisje | lol |
| 15:00.23 | Muisje | :) |
| 15:00.30 | jhutchins_lt | Basically you tell dpkg to create a list of all installed packages, then you tell the new system to install those packages. |
| 15:00.30 | Muisje | dpkg clone |
| 15:00.52 | Muisje | ahh right |
| 15:00.54 | Muisje | the bot is down |
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| 15:01.41 | hicham | will iceweasel be reverted to firefox now that firefox logo is free ? |
| 15:01.44 | Muisje | jhutchins_lt so i make a list of installed packages with apt |
| 15:02.01 | Muisje | then copy /home /var |
| 15:02.27 | Muisje | and /etc |
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| 15:04.41 | NiLon | hicham it's not about logo :p |
| 15:04.56 | hicham | NiLon: about what else ? |
| 15:05.51 | NiLon | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project#Origins_of_the_issue_and_of_the_Iceweasel_name |
| 15:08.32 | nsadmin | so is the end result that debian can distribute firefox as firefox, or not? |
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| 15:12.14 | NiLon | wasn't iceweasel renamed to icecat aswell |
| 15:12.17 | HSorgYves | can anyone point me to a FAQ on how to disable ipv6 in Debian? |
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| 15:13.19 | nsadmin | HSorgYves: is there a specific problem you're trying to solve by doing that? |
| 15:13.38 | jhutchins_lt | HSorgYves: Unfortunately our faq bot is down; in the /etc/modules config alias ipv6 and net-pf-10 to off. |
| 15:13.40 | chupacabra | lol |
| 15:13.54 | HSorgYves | nsadmin: yes, here at home everything worked fine, now the server is in the datacenter and i cannot even run "aptitude update" |
| 15:14.15 | HSorgYves | jhutchins_lt: thx, and then reboot i suppose? |
| 15:14.28 | nsadmin | probably you don't have to reboot |
| 15:14.30 | jhutchins_lt | HSorgYves: That's probably not an ipv6 problem. I wouldn't reboot until you know what's wrong, you might loose access. |
| 15:15.00 | HSorgYves | jhutchins_lt: named[4327]: network unreachable resolving 'volatile.debian.org/AAAA/IN': 2001:500:48::1#53 |
| 15:15.32 | jhutchins_lt | HSorgYves: DNS isn't working then (try other hosts). |
| 15:16.22 | jhutchins_lt | HSorgYves: This is interesting, I think we've seen others for whom the system somehow defaulted to ipv6... |
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| 15:16.52 | nsadmin | lots and lots actually |
| 15:16.57 | HSorgYves | jhutchins_lt: resolv.conf has "nameserver 127.0.0.1" and bind is running locally |
| 15:17.13 | nsadmin | and it almost always involved apt-get or aptitude |
| 15:17.18 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: How did they resolve it? |
| 15:17.46 | nsadmin | I think most of the time they disabled ipv6 |
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| 15:18.19 | Dagger2 | HSorgYves: can you pastebin an ifconfig and ip -6 route? |
| 15:18.22 | nsadmin | but if this server is in the data center I'd be more careful of applying that unless it was shown to be the problem |
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| 15:19.12 | gps23 | hi |
| 15:20.21 | HSorgYves | Dagger2: where? pastebin.org is down |
| 15:21.16 | jhutchins_lt | HSorgYves: google pastebin - there are others. |
| 15:21.20 | Dagger2 | http://pastebin.com/ works |
| 15:21.20 | sussudio | pastebin.ca? |
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| 15:22.09 | HSorgYves | http://pastebin.com/Sqtc5t7q |
| 15:22.10 | nsadmin | you could install perl's nopaste module, then pipe whatever to nopaste |
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| 15:22.12 | Dagger2 | .ca bas an AAAA record; it might not be the best choice for this |
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| 15:22.40 | HSorgYves | Dagger2: my own computer has no problems with ipv6, my home network neither |
| 15:23.24 | nsadmin | is that because your ISP uses ipv6 directly to you? |
| 15:23.39 | Dagger2 | HSorgYves: ok, that's wierd, you have no IPv6 addresses configured, so why does bind try to resolve via a v6 server? |
| 15:23.55 | HSorgYves | Dagger2: no clue |
| 15:24.26 | HSorgYves | nsadmin: no i have an ipv6 tunnel |
| 15:25.27 | HSorgYves | how to check if the outgoing port for named is closed? |
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| 15:26.46 | mooglenorph | Hi. Someone is trying to hijack my smtp server for spamming, using a dictionary attack, and it's causing me problems because my server is a low-resource VPS. |
| 15:26.46 | HSorgYves | telnet to the ip on port 53 should show? |
| 15:26.49 | nsadmin | but the server at the data center doesn't have that tunnel? |
| 15:26.57 | HSorgYves | nsadmin: no |
| 15:27.11 | Infin1ty | weird stuff, someone moved a server from amazon (xen vm) to physical box, the physical is running a 64 bit kernel, all the libraries were copied from an i386 box, it ran up until yesterday when i had to use some 64 bit libraries, how did it run? apache2 ran well (it's a production box), is it normal :O? |
| 15:27.24 | chombee | Hey, anyone know why my laptop doesn't automatically connect to my home wireless on boot? Here's my /etc/network/interfaces: http://dpaste.com/245485/ Doing ifup says the network's already up, but it's not connected. ifdown then ifup and it does connect. |
| 15:27.25 | nsadmin | that would completely explain why you want to disable ipv6 |
| 15:27.27 | mooglenorph | I've sent email to the "abuse" address of their VPS provider. Is there anything else I can do? |
| 15:27.44 | mooglenorph | (running lenny on my VPS) |
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| 15:28.06 | nsadmin | realize it's probably a botnet that has hijacked the vserver |
| 15:28.49 | Infin1ty | http://pastebin.com/gmpeAe0Q |
| 15:28.52 | mooglenorph | nsadmin: I do realize that, but it seems to be coming from only two IP's? |
| 15:28.56 | nsadmin | I'd try getting them on the phone |
| 15:29.21 | mooglenorph | nsadmin: they're in russia or some such bull*. |
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| 15:29.43 | mooglenorph | http://www.ip-adress.com/whois/92.241.190.15 |
| 15:30.01 | nsadmin | filter those IPs |
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| 15:30.40 | mooglenorph | nsadmin: Should I do that in iptables, or postfix, or somethign else? Not sure how to accomplish that. |
| 15:31.22 | mrd_ | quick question: running a debian install atm - "erasing data on scsi1" is taking forever [after 2 hours@48% - 70GB] |
| 15:31.29 | mrd_ | someone's got an idea why? |
| 15:31.29 | jhutchins_lt | Infin1ty: lenny or squeeze? |
| 15:32.02 | nsadmin | I would do it in iptables |
| 15:32.10 | jhutchins_lt | mooglenorph: You can do it with iptables; if you already have a setup that would be a good place. Otherwise postfix. |
| 15:32.12 | Infin1ty | jhutchins_lt, lenny, i already reinstalled the server (the person before me did that) , but how come it ran "well" up until now? |
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| 15:32.22 | jhutchins_lt | mooglenorph: Also consider running postgrey, it does a great job. |
| 15:32.26 | nsadmin | woudl they have to connect with a password? |
| 15:32.47 | jhutchins_lt | chombee: Which release are you running? |
| 15:33.05 | jhutchins_lt | Infin1ty: Sorry, meant that for chombee. |
| 15:33.15 | Infin1ty | k ;) |
| 15:33.21 | jhutchins_lt | Infin1ty: This is what they refer to as 'unpredictable results'. |
| 15:33.42 | jhutchins_lt | Infin1ty: I would suggest going with all 32 or all 64. A mixed system is just asking for trouble. |
| 15:33.42 | Infin1ty | jhutchins_lt, indeed, it's just weird it ran so well up until i tried to install a 64 bit library :) |
| 15:34.11 | jhutchins_lt | Infin1ty: Libraries can be interdependent, and sooner or later something's gonna break. |
| 15:34.14 | mooglenorph | I require AUTH and tls to send mail |
| 15:34.23 | mooglenorph | so yes, they would need to authenticate |
| 15:34.34 | mooglenorph | the logs are just full of every 3 second auth attempts |
| 15:34.47 | jhutchins_lt | mooglenorph: They can still DOS you by repeated attempts. |
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| 15:35.09 | jhutchins_lt | mooglenorph: I would block them at the firewall - which should be an external device. |
| 15:35.13 | mooglenorph | jhutchins_lt: yeah, that's basically what's happening |
| 15:35.41 | mooglenorph | jhutchins_lt: hmmm, okay. I'll see if linode offers something like that, I guess? |
| 15:35.45 | jhutchins_lt | mooglenorph: If not, block them with iptables, and install a throttling rule. |
| 15:36.05 | jhutchins_lt | mooglenorph: I use shorewall or just iptables scripts. |
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| 15:36.33 | mooglenorph | jhutchins_lt: okay. thanks very much. I haven't really worked with iptables much, but, it's something I can get by reading docs. |
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| 15:36.56 | chombee | jhutchins_lt: stable |
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| 15:39.47 | nsadmin | maybe you can get fail2ban to do it |
| 15:40.51 | nsadmin | if you can find out how sshd tells fail2ban about an auth failure, maybe you can get your MTA to do the same |
| 15:41.05 | HSorgYves | which port(s) does aptitude use? simple ftp? |
| 15:41.07 | nsadmin | probably fail2ban reads the auth.log |
| 15:41.58 | nsadmin | depends on what the sources are. if they're http sources, it's one port, if they're ftp sources, another. |
| 15:42.22 | jhutchins_lt | chombee: I had the same problem with squeeze and wasn't able to resolve it. In lenny I use knetworkmanager, which works. |
| 15:42.44 | chombee | jhutchins_lt: I'll try network manager |
| 15:43.10 | chombee | jhutchins_lt: Does that mean I should comment out every line that mentions eth0 in interfaces? |
| 15:43.19 | jhutchins_lt | Um, no... |
| 15:43.41 | HSorgYves | nsadmin: so its 80 or 21? |
| 15:43.48 | jhutchins_lt | chombee: You still want 'auto eth0' |
| 15:44.00 | chombee | right |
| 15:44.02 | jhutchins_lt | chombee: (Also, besure it's eth0 not wlan0, that could be the problem) |
| 15:44.21 | chombee | It's def eth0 |
| 15:44.53 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: IPTABLES throttling is much more efficient. |
| 15:45.55 | jhutchins_lt | In fact, if I throttle I find that botnets with multiple IP's give up quickly. |
| 15:46.43 | nsadmin | can fail2ban be fitted to do throttling the way you're describing? |
| 15:46.50 | chombee | jhutchins_lt: nm-applet works, thanks |
| 15:47.07 | jhutchins_lt | chombee: Great! |
| 15:47.15 | jhutchins_lt | dondelelcaro: ping! Bot is dead! |
| 15:48.25 | Nepherius | hey , i`m trying to install chrome but i get this http://pastebin.com/C3JaJFGi can anyone help me pls ? |
| 15:49.11 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions libnss3 |
| 15:49.12 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libnss3' was found. |
| 15:49.23 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions libnss3-1d |
| 15:49.25 | judd | libnss3-1d -- lenny: 3.12.3.1-0lenny1; lenny-security: 3.12.3.1-0lenny1; lenny-backports: 3.12.6-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.12.6-3; sid: 3.12.7-1; experimental: 3.12.8~b2-1 |
| 15:49.57 | jhutchins_lt | Nepherius: Can you pastebin your sources list? |
| 15:50.46 | Nepherius | uhm how i see my sources list ..sry I`m new to linux |
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| 15:51.33 | jhutchins_lt | Nepherius: The newer library is available as a security update. If you set up /etc/apt/sources.list to use on-line repositories and update your system it'll work. |
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| 15:53.21 | jhutchins_lt | Nepherius: In fact, I'm not sure where you got 3.12.0... are you running lenny? |
| 15:53.41 | Nepherius | installed Dreamlinux 3.5 |
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| 15:54.50 | jhutchins_lt | Nepherius: Then why are you asking for help here? Any advice we give you will likely destroy your system. Certainly what I would have told you would. Please come back if you install Debian some day. |
| 15:56.21 | Nepherius | well DL is based on debian or at least thats what i read |
| 15:57.00 | nsadmin | it may have a similar packaging system but everything else could be different |
| 15:57.13 | Nepherius | and ty for the help , I`ll try to find out what you said and how to do it |
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| 16:05.05 | chombee | Is it me or does ext4 have a shorter max filename length than ext2/3? I'm rsyncing some files from debian stable to ubuntu (ext4) and it complains 'filename too long' |
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| 16:14.24 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
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| 16:15.15 | infinity0 | does aptitude have a "source" command like apt-get does? |
| 16:15.59 | stew | infinity0: not yet |
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| 16:19.13 | NoCode | I'm getting these missing maintainer errors now. |
| 16:19.19 | NoCode | Is there anyway to fix them? |
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| 16:19.57 | stew | NoCode: what are you doing to get the errors and what exactly are the errors? |
| 16:20.57 | NoCode | I just installed irssi. I installed another package a couple days ago too, and it did the same thing. Let me grab the output |
| 16:22.22 | NoCode | http://pastebin.ca/1943569 |
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| 16:23.03 | jhutchins_lt | NoCode: Does the package install and run? |
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| 16:23.22 | NoCode | Yes it works. |
| 16:23.27 | NoCode | It installs too. |
| 16:24.10 | jhutchins_lt | I think you can probably just chalk it up to sloppy packaging. |
| 16:24.45 | NoCode | Okay. :| |
| 16:25.04 | jpinxN900 | installed irssi on squeeze a couple of days ago without errors |
| 16:25.13 | stew | if you think it is sloppy packageing you should file a bug |
| 16:25.25 | stew | NoCode: this happens with other packages too? |
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| 16:25.37 | NoCode | One other one, yes. I forget what it was though. |
| 16:25.43 | NoCode | another* |
| 16:26.04 | NoCode | Been busy, couldn't really go through the motions. |
| 16:26.13 | NoCode | But now I have some free time. :P |
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| 16:51.55 | e-dub | hey all |
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| 16:56.44 | Livingroom | hey, silly question, anyone here know of a spot to watch the ohio game online? |
| 16:57.07 | stew | Livingroom: please keep it on topic. perhaps you want to try a social channel like #defocus |
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| 16:57.35 | Livingroom | thanks stwe |
| 16:57.37 | Livingroom | *stew |
| 16:57.50 | e-dub | espn? |
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| 16:58.59 | trebor_home | hello. i do have trouble installing testing amd64 (2010-09-13). i use text-install (german), automatic partitioning (guided), but i am not able to register dvds #2-8 nor installing grub or lilo. what do i have to check / what may be my fault? |
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| 17:01.14 | jhutchins_lt | trebor_home: Not sure what you mean by "register dvd's", but what happens when you try to install grub or lilo? |
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| 17:03.24 | spixx | Hello, I have a simple yet annoying problem; I have a webserver, on this webserver you have wordpress for instance but it seems that the users cannot upload/add themes or similar via the "in script" functions of wordpress. The folder is owned by the user:user tried user:www-data (note not USERS but the username) |
| 17:03.38 | trebor_home | jhutchins_lt: i am asked to add aditional dvds as installation-medias (don't know the exact translation), but if i try, it skips the dvd-scanning and starts installing packages. after that the installer tries to install grub, but fails (can not be installed on /target/). |
| 17:03.43 | spixx | Tried all chmods to ;) so yes on that one |
| 17:04.12 | spixx | trebor_home: You have to do the full install before you can acc install grub by auto? |
| 17:05.15 | MrFrood | trebor_home: I had that - skip insatalling grub the first time it asks - it will install later |
| 17:05.30 | MrFrood | it's a bug with the testing installer |
| 17:05.32 | trebor_home | spixx: installer says: hd-paritioning, basic installation, packet-manager configuration, software selection, grub-bootloader installation |
| 17:05.52 | spixx | what MrFrood said :P |
| 17:07.14 | trebor_home | MrFrood: i tried, too, but i was not able to continue (last 3 times) - maybe now (trying expert install). |
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| 17:08.37 | HSorgYves | i have eth0 connected to the internet and eth1 connected to an intranet; do i need to define routes or will debian do this automatically? |
| 17:09.18 | spixx | HSorgYves: yes or at least if you do not have a DHCP that does it for you? |
| 17:09.56 | HSorgYves | its configured using static ips |
| 17:10.00 | trebor_home | packet-manager configuration does not work in expert mode, too. |
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| 17:10.40 | HSorgYves | spixx: some howto on this? |
| 17:11.04 | spixx | well depends on what you want to do but IPtables router is a good search term |
| 17:11.06 | spixx | w8 |
| 17:11.20 | spixx | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 |
| 17:11.42 | spixx | but note that the guide acc has the orders reversed :P |
| 17:11.50 | spixx | so you do not kill your internet ;) |
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| 17:13.22 | spixx | question; is the folder structure collapsed if I have on read right to little close to root? |
| 17:13.35 | spixx | guessing that it is so :/ |
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| 17:13.37 | HSorgYves | spixx: hold, i do not need a gateway |
| 17:13.46 | spixx | What are you trying to do? |
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| 17:14.15 | HSorgYves | spixx: the machine simply need to use eth1 as long as I access 192.168.0.xxx and use eth0 for all others |
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| 17:14.35 | spixx | ah, then it should be no problem |
| 17:15.13 | spixx | you might need to add some routes but that wouldnt be a great risc :P |
| 17:15.36 | HSorgYves | might need? do need or do not need? |
| 17:16.16 | HSorgYves | spixx: http://pastebin.com/RT9PfD7J |
| 17:16.56 | spixx | but what are you trying to achive? Just having two network-cards? One to the outside and one to your internal network? |
| 17:17.10 | HSorgYves | yes |
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| 17:17.42 | jelly-home | HSorgYves: do not need, a route to the local segment is created automatically |
| 17:17.57 | spixx | then it shouldnt be a problem |
| 17:18.07 | jelly-home | HSorgYves: however, is this machine supposed to be a router for the local segment to the internet? |
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| 17:18.16 | HSorgYves | jelly-home: no |
| 17:18.33 | spixx | Then it will work just fine |
| 17:18.42 | spixx | if you do not have a really strange setup at home ;) |
| 17:18.59 | spixx | argh rights problems :/ |
| 17:19.14 | jelly-home | HSorgYves: nothing to do then, a simple static setup. Make sure you don't accidentally put a gateway line in local interface definition |
| 17:19.16 | HSorgYves | why is my traceroute to 195.24.76.192 not going through 194.42.98.1 but through 192.168.0.50 |
| 17:19.44 | HSorgYves | jelly-home: ok, approaching the problem |
| 17:21.12 | spixx | do a route |
| 17:21.13 | HSorgYves | jelly-home: so the following is wrong -> http://pastebin.com/1EbHZTf8 |
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| 17:22.35 | jelly-home | HSorgYves: just get rid of that gateway line for eth1, ifdown eth1, ifup eth1, and you're set |
| 17:22.58 | HSorgYves | jelly-home: and the rest is fine? |
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| 17:26.42 | jelly-home | HSorgYves: it's pretty much a standard setup, can't do much wrong with static ips can you |
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| 17:27.10 | lenswipe | hey guys |
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| 17:30.44 | Enverex | I've noticed the nVidia drivers on Unstable are very out of date, does anyone happen to know of any more up to date repos for them other than installing them manually? |
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| 17:36.43 | HSorgYves | jelly-home: thx, working now |
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| 17:39.48 | jhutchins_lt | HSorgYves: What fixed the ipv6 problem? |
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| 17:40.39 | HSorgYves | jhutchins_lt: it finally wasn't an ipv6 problem, but a routing problem due to gateway misconfiguration; still can't understand why it work here at home though |
| 17:46.38 | jhutchins_lt | HSorgYves: Often the defaults work fine, it's not untill someone starts messing with it that it fails. Also, I think you said you had an IPV6 tunnel, which means that an ipv4 failure isn't going to be as obvious. |
| 17:47.16 | HSorgYves | i have the tunnewl at home |
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| 18:15.20 | neurolysis | Hi, can anyone think of what a clicking sound when listening to audio means if it's not a buffer underrun? |
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| 18:17.39 | cahoot | miriam makeba? |
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| 18:20.57 | fhffhqvb | neurolysis: have you tried muting everything you're not using, like line in? |
| 18:21.27 | neurolysis | fhffhqvb: will try that now, thanks |
| 18:21.31 | fhffhqvb | k. |
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| 18:22.31 | neurolysis | fhffhqvb: still occurs |
| 18:22.46 | MrFrood | neurolysis: assuming that cahoot is wrong it could be a problem with the recordings (if the recording level is too high then peak volumes can become clipped) - try using someform of replay-gain |
| 18:23.10 | neurolysis | MrFrood: it's not there on the original recordings |
| 18:23.23 | MrFrood | or normalisation |
| 18:24.25 | MrFrood | neurolysis: yeah but does not mean that the leval was not messed with when ripping |
| 18:24.32 | neurolysis | MrFrood: rather |
| 18:24.37 | neurolysis | i have analysed the waveform |
| 18:24.38 | neurolysis | it is not there |
| 18:24.48 | neurolysis | and this did not occur until today |
| 18:25.27 | MrFrood | neurolysis: how powerful a machine are you tryin this on? |
| 18:26.02 | neurolysis | MrFrood: phenom ii quad core, so nothing to worry about there ;) |
| 18:26.16 | MrFrood | just checking |
| 18:27.14 | fhffhqvb | neurolysis: could be your hd accessing |
| 18:27.49 | neurolysis | coming to think of it actually, it seems to have only occurred since i installed windows xp as a dual boot option |
| 18:28.41 | neurolysis | let me try something, just had an idea about what it might be |
| 18:28.42 | fhffhqvb | windows xp is not running, is it |
| 18:30.01 | Enverex | Are there any repos that contain newer nVidia drivers or do we have to install them manually? Even the ones in the Unstable repo are a long time out of date |
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| 18:32.32 | neurolysis | It seems it is fixed, it was a grounding issue w/ my sound card |
| 18:33.15 | MrFrood | Enverex: it's unoffical and you will get no support in #debian about it but sgfxi may be what you are looking for... |
| 18:34.18 | MrFrood | the first rule of sgfxi is that you don't talk about sgfxi |
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| 18:38.11 | jelly-home | sounds like yes another script that installs and tries to configure stuff on your system |
| 18:40.16 | jhutchins_lt | Enverex: What do you hope to accomplish with newer drivers? |
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| 18:41.15 | Enverex | jhutchins_lt, The current driver doesn't work properly with my hardware (it claims to support the chip which it does to some extent, but can't read EDID data so it requires a lot of workarounds). So I'm hoping the new one actually works properly |
| 18:41.50 | roe | is there a more optimized way in the debian installer to use flash memory (compact flash) as the FS yet? For instance adding the noatime flag and the like? or is there a specific FS type that should be used when installing on solid state media? |
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| 18:42.51 | jhutchins_lt | Enverex: Well, there's the direct-from-nvida route, although that requires the newer xorg from squeeze in some cases. |
| 18:44.24 | Enverex | jhutchins_lt, I'm running Sid anyway |
| 18:44.56 | Enverex | jhutchins_lt, I just wondered if anyone had their own repo set up with newer drivers to automate the process rather than building manually |
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| 18:47.42 | compgenius999 | hey guys, how do I set up debian so instead of GNOME starting by default, it loads XFCE. I tried changing default session in Login Window Properties to XFCE Session but still, it loads gnome instead |
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| 18:50.25 | compgenius999 | anyone know? |
| 18:50.50 | jhutchins_lt | compgenius999: have you restarted the dm? |
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| 18:51.09 | Quibus | hi all |
| 18:51.10 | compgenius999 | jhutchins_lt: i've tried restarting the whole system |
| 18:51.54 | Quibus | There seems to be a problem with font rendering on my system: when I type somethign in a gnome-terminal, Xorg starts using 100% of a core. When I do the same in a plain xterm, no problems... Also redrawing a gnome-terminal seems to be very slow. Any ideas what could be wrong? |
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| 18:52.21 | compgenius999 | Quibus: transparency? |
| 18:52.34 | Quibus | compgenius999: it is enabled |
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| 18:52.48 | compgenius999 | Quibus: try disabling transparency |
| 18:52.48 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 18:52.50 | superlinux | hi. what would be the name of the dev packages of alsa? I wanna use it to build bluez alsa support |
| 18:52.51 | Quibus | but why is it suddenly a problem? |
| 18:53.02 | superlinux | i just could not figure it out |
| 18:53.11 | jeffrin | regarding gcov , what is .gcno and .gcda files |
| 18:53.14 | compgenius999 | superlinux: aptitude search alsa |
| 18:53.34 | superlinux | compgenius999, I did do all kind of searches on apt |
| 18:53.46 | superlinux | but just could not know the correct one |
| 18:53.54 | Quibus | Well, disabling transparency does fix it |
| 18:56.13 | Quibus | WTF is this!? |
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| 18:59.13 | roe | should the slower disk be / or /var? |
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| 19:01.17 | jhutchins_lt | superlinux: aptitude install build-depends bluez-alsa? |
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| 19:02.11 | superlinux | jhutchins_lt, I am custom building from source pkg bluez 3.x |
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| 19:02.33 | superlinux | my bluetooth dongle works only as such |
| 19:03.01 | superlinux | I removed the 4.x version |
| 19:03.26 | superlinux | i am building from tar.gz downloaded from bluez homepage |
| 19:05.42 | jhutchins_lt | Mine didn't work with 4x either. |
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| 19:08.59 | superlinux | jhutchins_lt, it looks like 4.x is still unstable |
| 19:09.27 | jhutchins_lt | There's a backport, but it doesn't work with kde3.5 |
| 19:09.55 | superlinux | i think they need a good leader for the project |
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| 19:17.56 | lo127 | is it possible to install debian over serial/console? |
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| 19:21.27 | [hireme]rhisa | Hi was it this distribution that stopped using the Linux kernel? |
| 19:22.12 | lcuk | Don't be silly, debian never used the linux kernel :P |
| 19:22.22 | [hireme]rhisa | lol x) |
| 19:22.23 | Quibus | l o l |
| 19:22.33 | zr0 | i cannot ping a computer on my local lan (wireless router) from my debian machine, but it can ping me -- the debian machine has a static ip.. i get 'destination host unreachable' as the error msg from ping |
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| 19:23.45 | jelly-home | zr0: which OS and local firewall does the othe computer use? |
| 19:24.33 | lo127 | anyone? possible to install debian over serial/console remotely? |
| 19:24.44 | jelly-home | [hireme]rhisa: http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD is what you're referring to? |
| 19:24.49 | zr0 | jelly-home: i can ping the computer that can ping the debian box |
| 19:24.54 | thewanderer1 | my machine almost always hangs after about 15 minutes of usage, be it graphics (KDE), console (ls -R /) or playing music... this was tested with Debian only. I don't have any optical drives/media. the console tells me I get a kernel panic. How to debug that? It's not the disk failing (netboot, actually!) or RAM (checked that) |
| 19:24.58 | zr0 | jelly-home: from my laptop |
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| 19:25.05 | [hireme]rhisa | jelly, thank you. |
| 19:25.11 | thewanderer1 | this issue of mine has been present for 2 years already I think |
| 19:25.15 | [hireme]rhisa | jelly, disregard. jelly-home thank you. |
| 19:25.29 | jelly-home | [hireme]rhisa: that's me in the corner. |
| 19:26.04 | [hireme]rhisa | jelly-home, whaat. D: Big apology! :] |
| 19:26.31 | jelly-home | Big Mistake! not hiring you! |
| 19:26.38 | Quibus | heheh |
| 19:26.44 | [hireme]rhisa | cries. |
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| 19:28.43 | compgenius999 | hey guys, is anyone else having problems with the lsb-base-logging.sh script on startup? |
| 19:28.44 | jelly-home | zr0: ok, so you have at least 3 boxes, (A)n undisclosed OS ne, a (D)ebian one, and a (L)aptop. You can ping L -> A, A -> D, presumably also L -> D, but not D -> A. |
| 19:29.16 | zr0 | jelly-home: correct |
| 19:29.31 | jelly-home | zr0: can you ping D -> L? |
| 19:29.37 | compgenius999 | GDM didn't start at boot due to "return: Starting: numeric argument required" |
| 19:29.39 | zr0 | jelly-home: yes |
| 19:29.41 | compgenius999 | anyone know how I fix it? |
| 19:30.01 | jelly-home | zr0: I blame the undisclosed OS and firewall software on A. :-D |
| 19:30.04 | zr0 | jelly-home: from what i've read it seems it might be related to using a static ip and having dhcp misconfigured somehow |
| 19:30.23 | haytham-med | undisclosed OS! |
| 19:30.39 | compgenius999 | anyone here know how I fix lsb-base-logging.sh since none of the init scripts are working because of it |
| 19:31.16 | jelly-home | compgenius999: which debian release are you using? |
| 19:31.17 | zr0 | what is the correct way to turn off the process /usr/sbin/dhcdbd? |
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| 19:31.48 | compgenius999 | jelly-home: debian 5, lenny i think |
| 19:31.52 | jelly-home | zr0: hm. Perhaps A has issues with dhcp. Debian shouldn't. |
| 19:31.57 | compgenius999 | jelly-home: it's all up to date |
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| 19:32.13 | zr0 | jelly-home: well, it might if i didn't configure it correctly |
| 19:33.45 | compgenius999 | jelly-home: so any idea how I fix it? |
| 19:34.21 | compgenius999 | anybody here? |
| 19:34.54 | jelly-home | compgenius999: can you paste the output of dpkg -l libc6 lsb-base | tail -2 |
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| 19:35.56 | [hireme]rhisa | Alright, thanks. |
| 19:36.01 | [hireme]rhisa | Thank you again jelly. |
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| 19:36.07 | compgenius999 | 2.7-18 and 3.2-20 jelly-home |
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| 19:36.28 | compgenius999 | can't really paste since wgetpaste isn't in aptitude and I'm stuck with irssi |
| 19:36.55 | jelly-hme | compgenius999: paste the two lines here |
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| 19:37.08 | compgenius999 | libc6 is 2.7-18 and lsb-base 3.2-20 jelly-home |
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| 19:37.43 | haytham-med | jelly-hme: u have a ghost |
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| 19:38.02 | jelly-hme | compgenius999: you can type "/exec -o dpkg -l libc6 lsb-base | tail -2" in irssi if you're ircing from that machine |
| 19:38.47 | compgenius999 | ii libc6 2.7-18lenny4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 19:38.50 | compgenius999 | ii lsb-base 3.2-20 Linux Standard Base 3.2 init script function |
| 19:38.55 | compgenius999 | oh, that worked. |
| 19:40.15 | jelly-home | compgenius999: that seems up to date. what's the full path to this lsb-base-logging.sh? |
| 19:40.41 | compgenius999 | /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh: line 269: return: Starting: numeric argument required |
| 19:40.42 | compgenius999 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.52 | jelly-home | judd: file lsb-base-logging.sh |
| 19:40.55 | judd | lsb-base-logging.sh in lenny/i386: usplash: etc/lsb-base-logging.sh; splashy: etc/lsb-base-logging.sh |
| 19:41.33 | jelly-home | compgenius999: there's your possible culprits for that message, get rid of boot splash and see if that helps |
| 19:41.52 | compgenius999 | jelly-home: i got rid of it a while back |
| 19:42.06 | jelly-home | compgenius999: ah, forgot to purge the packages perhaps? |
| 19:42.15 | compgenius999 | I'll purge nwo |
| 19:42.31 | jelly-home | compgenius999: they shouldn |
| 19:42.47 | jelly-home | compgenius999: they shouldn't break other stuff of they're merely removed, that'd be a bug |
| 19:43.10 | compgenius999 | jelly-home: well all I did before was "aptitiude remove splashy splashy-themes" |
| 19:43.15 | Quibus | Does anyone here use gnome-terminals with transparency and no compiz? |
| 19:43.16 | compgenius999 | and that pretty much killed my init |
| 19:44.26 | compgenius999 | jelly-home: should I try removing lsb-base and reinstalling it with aptitude? |
| 19:44.43 | jelly-home | compgenius999: no need to, just purge remnants of splashy |
| 19:45.18 | compgenius999 | jelly-home: how? |
| 19:45.43 | jelly-home | compgenius999: with aptitude or apt-get or dpkg. dpkg --purge splashy splashy-themes |
| 19:46.02 | jelly-home | dpkg -P short |
| 19:46.21 | compgenius999 | jelly-home: done. |
| 19:46.35 | jelly-home | compgenius999: /etc/init.d/gdm restart ... does it work now? |
| 19:46.48 | jelly-home | compgenius999: or just reboot and see how it goes |
| 19:47.13 | compgenius999 | I'll just reboot |
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| 19:47.18 | compgenius999 | since half my init scripts didn't run at all |
| 19:47.22 | jelly-home | that's probably better, yeah |
| 19:49.16 | fhffhqvb | hm. no dpkg. |
| 19:49.37 | fhffhqvb | !sensors |
| 19:50.21 | fhffhqvb | apt appears to be non-functional. |
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| 19:50.48 | MrFrood | dpkg is on holiday |
| 19:50.55 | jelly-home | fhffhqvb: ircbots.debian.net in the meantime |
| 19:51.05 | fhffhqvb | what? |
| 19:51.11 | jelly-home | you heard me. |
| 19:51.28 | jelly-home | fhffhqvb: http://ircbots.debian.net/, even |
| 19:51.31 | fhffhqvb | you moved the bots somewhere else? |
| 19:51.50 | jelly-home | no |
| 19:52.19 | jelly-home | it's just a web ui to the factoid database to use while the bots are on holidays |
| 19:52.28 | fhffhqvb | i was trying to figure out how to stop sensord from spamming my syslog with nonsensical alarms. |
| 19:52.36 | dvs | wonders where bots go for holidays |
| 19:52.51 | fhffhqvb | is there a reason the bots are on holiday? |
| 19:53.04 | jelly-home | not an intentional one |
| 19:53.15 | fhffhqvb | box blew up? |
| 19:53.34 | jelly-home | your guess is as good as mine |
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| 19:54.15 | fhffhqvb | site appears to be up... |
| 19:56.36 | jelly-home | fhffhqvb: duh, why would I point you to a dead site as a replacement for temporarily dead bots? |
| 19:57.03 | stew | ~sing sussudio |
| 19:57.04 | apt | ACTION sings "Su, su, sudio...Su, su, sussudio" |
| 19:57.04 | fhffhqvb | jelly-home: i mean dpkg's box. |
| 19:57.13 | fhffhqvb | rzlab |
| 19:57.21 | stew | fhffhqvb: we haven't heard from don in a few days |
| 19:57.31 | fhffhqvb | hm. |
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| 19:57.39 | jelly-home | stew: feed apt some fresh factoids! |
| 19:58.40 | jelly-home | ~factinfo lenny->squeeze |
| 19:58.40 | apt | there's no such factoid as lenny->squeeze, jelly-home |
| 19:59.10 | jelly-home | ~factinfo etch->lenny |
| 19:59.10 | apt | jelly-home: there's no such factoid as etch->lenny |
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| 19:59.17 | jelly-home | ~factinfo sarge->etch |
| 19:59.17 | apt | jelly-home: there's no such factoid as sarge->etch |
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| 20:02.51 | fhffhqvb | hm. |
| 20:02.59 | fhffhqvb | !test |
| 20:02.59 | dpkg | Test failed. |
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| 20:03.43 | thewanderer1 | what exactly does test do? |
| 20:04.03 | fhffhqvb | kills a noob every time you type it. |
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| 20:32.24 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: Welcome back. |
| 20:32.24 | dpkg | it's good to be home :) |
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| 20:37.16 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 20:37.16 | dpkg | <sprax> justin, Wyzard I found it, it's called phpproxy, but it's not a proxy server. |
| 20:38.00 | stew | bah. no good |
| 20:38.06 | stew | !flw0 |
| 20:38.06 | dpkg | <ohad>...i thought that by upgrading to unstable things might work better |
| 20:38.41 | MrFrood | giggles |
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| 20:42.35 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of fhffhqvb) |
| 20:42.42 | fhffhqvb | @qotd0 |
| 20:43.15 | fhffhqvb | hm. guess it's set to PM by default. |
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| 20:46.28 | jelly-home | badgers: lenny->squeeze |
| 20:46.44 | jelly-home | ooh. fresh new dumps! |
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| 20:49.37 | spixx | Man I'm having strange issues today, anybody who know why munin aint graphing and telnet to 4949 just opens then gets closed? |
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| 20:55.03 | cast_ | ive noticed munin to stop working under high load, though that was 2 years ago now |
| 20:55.33 | spixx | Well thats not the case here, seems like the Node is not creating any data :S |
| 20:55.35 | spixx | argh |
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| 20:56.35 | trebor_home | how can i "register" additional installation-medias (i only have a text-only installation with dvd#1)? can i do this with aptitude? |
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| 21:01.07 | cast_ | trebor_home: apt-cdrom used to work for me in the old days |
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| 21:03.01 | trebor_home | cast_: thanks, seems to work |
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| 21:15.30 | synackfin | I followed the instructions from the Sept 04 mdadm advisory ("Versions of grub-pc older than 1.98 will not be able to boot direct off a RAID with the 1.x metadata formats (the new default is 1.2). To ensure a bootable system, please make sure to use grub-pc 1.98 or later, which is provided by Debian.") -- but grub2 1.98 is still not able to recognize my 1.2 raid array |
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| 21:15.56 | synackfin | this is for Debian squeeze |
| 21:17.44 | jelly-home | synackfin: it only does 0.9 and 1.0, and does 1.0 badly |
| 21:19.47 | jelly-home | synackfin: if it's a fresh install, I suggest using a /boot with classic (0.9) md raid1 format |
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| 21:23.48 | lbt | if I do dpkg-reconfigure debconf and say "ask medium or below" where is that stored? |
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| 21:24.37 | s3a | is it possible to remove evolution without removing gnome? |
| 21:25.02 | streuner | sure |
| 21:25.58 | streuner | just try it, apt-get -s remove evolution |
| 21:26.40 | qq- | !unmarkauto |
| 21:26.40 | dpkg | Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards). |
| 21:26.41 | streuner | lbt: please ask in ONE channel at the same time. |
| 21:28.04 | lbt | sorry streuner it was all the noise and hubub in the other channel |
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| 21:29.22 | fhffhqvb | something loaded framebuffer into my console. how do i get back to normal text mode? |
| 21:29.28 | s3a | streuner, i did that and it removes gnome |
| 21:29.41 | streuner | s3a: lenny? |
| 21:29.43 | s3a | streuner, ya |
| 21:29.46 | lbt | streuner: I just wonder if you know the answer and would rather spend time chastising me than answering? |
| 21:30.03 | streuner | s3a: hm, it doenst remove gnome in sid |
| 21:30.43 | s3a | streuner, o i see, so i'll look into it later in squeeze, if it works there then i can remove it when upgrading to squeeze when it's stable |
| 21:31.19 | streuner | s3a: just take a look at a dummy package, it might help |
| 21:31.44 | s3a | wait quick random question, what does "Global inbox" mean in icedove? |
| 21:32.40 | streuner | whats the name of this dummy package which fullfills depends in Debian again? |
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| 21:33.35 | streuner | dpkg, listvals dummy |
| 21:33.37 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'dummy' by value (7): equivs ;; yes i do have the keys ;; lorem ipsum ;; aptitude-build-dep ;; g77 ;; dsr ;; task-packages. |
| 21:33.43 | streuner | dpkg, equivs |
| 21:33.43 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb> |
| 21:33.57 | streuner | s3a: ^^^ |
| 21:34.34 | streuner | s3a: but on the other side, evolution isnt that big, why not just let it installed? |
| 21:35.00 | s3a | well things accumulate |
| 21:35.13 | s3a | but it's not really my priority, i thought there'd be an easy answer |
| 21:35.16 | s3a | i can wait for squeeze |
| 21:35.30 | s3a | but what i need to know is for icedove, what's "use global inbox"? |
| 21:35.34 | streuner | the easy answer is <equivs> |
| 21:36.33 | s3a | streuner, equivs evolution as root? |
| 21:36.44 | s3a | streuner, also do you have an answer to my icedove question? |
| 21:36.59 | streuner | nah, i dont use icedove, sorry |
| 21:37.39 | lbt | s3a: what do you mean by Global Inbox? |
| 21:37.57 | lbt | icedove has a facility to merge inboxes for multiple accounts |
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| 21:38.00 | xuser | s3a: I bet the mozilla page knows |
| 21:38.04 | lbt | sounds like it could be that |
| 21:38.05 | s3a | lbt, when creating my account, it says "Use Global Inbox (store mail in Local Folders)" |
| 21:38.41 | lbt | I have a strong suspicion... but I use imap so can't confirm ... sry |
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| 21:40.19 | streuner | lbt: take a look at strace, it might help. |
| 21:42.08 | lbt | hmmm /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 21:42.21 | lbt | not at all where I'd expect |
| 21:43.48 | streuner | so are expectations, they sucks many times |
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| 21:43.56 | streuner | :-P |
| 21:44.03 | lbt | :) |
| 21:45.48 | trebor_home | i added all dvds via apt-cdrom -add and did apt-get update, but installing is not possible (apt-get install emacs, kde, gnome, whatever), what may i have to change/check. |
| 21:46.22 | streuner | dpkg, sources.list |
| 21:46.23 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 21:55.19 | trebor_home | streuner: do you mean the "aptitude update" part? |
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| 21:55.31 | trebor_home | (no network on the target-notebook) |
| 21:55.42 | latenite | Hoi folks, how to I get my php to have XSL? I get this error from a plugin of my blog. "Your server's PHP enviroment must have the XSL extention installed" |
| 21:56.25 | jelly-home | latenite: apt-cache search php xsl will probably show a useful package |
| 21:56.25 | streuner | trebor_home: uhm, Debian make not much fun without working i-net, just make sure you have that |
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| 21:57.36 | jelly-home | judd: info php5-xsl |
| 21:57.37 | judd | php5-xsl (web, optional): XSL module for php5. Version: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; Size: 12.5k; Installed: 80k; Homepage: http://www.php.net/ |
| 21:57.38 | streuner | trebor_home: basically /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:57.50 | trebor_home | streuner: it had been not problem to install debian stable on notebooks - i think i got a total broken testing dvd-set - or dvd-install is a no-go for testing at all |
| 21:58.30 | trebor_home | streuner: i do not have an editor yet (i can not use vi(m)) |
| 21:58.42 | streuner | trebor_home: just use nano then |
| 21:58.51 | streuner | its essential |
| 21:59.36 | trebor_home | i am just doing aptitude update ... |
| 21:59.57 | streuner | without i-net? would be hard then... |
| 22:00.31 | streuner | in order to give you more results like before |
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| 22:00.56 | streuner | just fix your i-net connection (laptop), thats the first prior |
| 22:01.30 | trebor_home | i think this is my last try, after this i will just use a knoppix-installation |
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| 22:01.58 | latenite | jelly, thanks taht helped..got it woking now :) |
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| 22:05.31 | streuner | trebor_home: there is also <kmuto> - /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 22:06.38 | streuner | trebor_home: or/and you try grml - its debian based live CD and supports installation to HD, IIRC |
| 22:07.50 | streuner | trebor_home: just take a look at <laptops> (/msg dpkg laptops) and wiki.debian.org |
| 22:08.23 | streuner | trebor_home: many HOWTOs, trics and workarounds there in order to get the NIC working |
| 22:12.26 | streuner | trebor_home: sounds like a bug in a newer kernel... |
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| 22:13.44 | trebor_home | i give up now, i will install from knoppix dvd |
| 22:13.51 | trebor_home | thanks for the help |
| 22:14.11 | streuner | good luck |
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| 22:26.32 | KaffeeJunky123 | Hello, I'm having a problem with the cpufrequency gnome panel app, it was once capable of selecting the cpufreq govenor, but now the govenor selection doesn't show up when I click it. |
| 22:26.32 | KaffeeJunky123 | I probably messed up some settings that allow the app to elevate it's rights, but I can't find out how to get it working again. |
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| 22:30.32 | streuner | sid? |
| 22:31.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | Oh sorry Lenny |
| 22:32.18 | streuner | uhm, you must something done which is very strange then |
| 22:32.44 | KaffeeJunky123 | like messing with the backports repo :>? |
| 22:33.12 | streuner | well, those packages have no support |
| 22:33.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | setting the govenor through cpufreq-set -g works thought |
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| 22:34.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | streuner: well my cpufrequtils package is from the stable repo |
| 22:35.00 | streuner | and the kernel itself? |
| 22:35.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | streuner: stable |
| 22:35.16 | streuner | from bpo? |
| 22:35.24 | KaffeeJunky123 | from stable not from bpo |
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| 22:35.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
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| 22:42.12 | trebor_home | knoppix is installed & boots |
| 22:42.16 | dekar_ | on my atom/ion mediapc I ran into several problems installing squeeze |
| 22:42.24 | streuner | trebor_home: what kernel? |
| 22:42.38 | dekar_ | I was using netboot x64 using unetbootin from usbstick |
| 22:43.08 | trebor_home | 2.6.31.6 |
| 22:43.09 | dekar_ | it installed grub to usb stick instead of the HDD (it always does this when you don't install from cd, but usb stick) |
| 22:43.45 | dekar_ | but the grub on the stick couldn't even boot somehow - just showed "GRUB" at the upper left of the screen |
| 22:44.29 | dekar_ | also I had another problem - the moment the kernel comes up my keyboard stops working - using a usb to ps2 adaptor so that kinda works now |
| 22:44.59 | dekar_ | still seems to be a kernel bug - or invalid usb descriptor or whatever else - will look into it later |
| 22:45.20 | dekar_ | but I'd really appreciate if one of you could tell me how to fix grub |
| 22:46.48 | dekar_ | I already tried using grub-install from my laptop but it somehow didn't work - only getting grub rescue on my mediapc now |
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| 23:20.48 | seba | hi |
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| 23:40.48 | Drizzt321 | I'm using Debian/kFreeBSD, and I have the new 4k block WD Green line. Since the drives report their size as 512B blocks, ZFS doesn't perform as well as it should. I've seen it suggested to use GNOP (http://www.cod3r.com/2010/06/zfs-on-western-digital-ears-drives/ http://www.unix.com/man-page/FreeBSD/8/GNOP/) to report real 4K sector sizes. However this isn't in the apt-get system. Anyone know if it will be? Or if it'll even compile? Or anoth |
| 23:41.30 | cast_ | might want to try the debian/kfreebsd channel, #gnu-kbsd, or something similar |
| 23:42.28 | Drizzt321 | oh, there's a seperate chan? thanks! |
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| 23:43.53 | cast_ | !kfreebsd |
| 23:43.53 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. The kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 architectures will be released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 23:49.04 | yonatan | I got a problem with 10Gbit intel network card on a Debian Server, i cannot reach speeds higher then 10K/sec inside an openVZ machine, while on the hardware node i can max the port out.. any suggestions what to look at? |
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