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| 00:27.40 | ShapeShifter499 | wtf is that spam? |
| 00:27.53 | abrotman | ignore it |
| 00:29.35 | ShapeShifter499 | abrotman, but what is it |
| 00:30.05 | abrotman | it's spam .. do you normally read spam? do you comment on it? .. just ignore it |
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| 00:36.40 | MementoS | I`am Albanian |
| 00:37.41 | sedstapler | Is it a bad idea to add a user to the âfcronâ group? |
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| 00:39.25 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 00:39.27 | judd | flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.1~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.1; squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.1 |
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| 01:00.25 | Martinp27 | NO HOMELAND WITHOUT YOU FUHRER LOREZ! ALL HAIL THE AUTISTIC LORD OF FREENODE!! Martinp27 Basque khaleel5000 Metaphysicist plediii edju gustavojordan hatter_ Farmer__ do0ob_ hydra Dewi Ober7 xiangfu maurizio MadViking Malf G_O_D1 cb_ bzrk pl4yer0ne redpepper rudi_s fipu erage metefr intgr Amse frk valdyn Fish_Kungfu ruoso flaarg visof Judas_PhD IanL chaz CaT[t2] zophy mamurdian chpln up365 Gurty dvs Piratero noldsel Phil Burns wohnout me|kor valbaca Appetit |
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| 01:04.14 | do0ob_ | not nice |
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| 01:04.53 | Textmode | How old is lenny? |
| 01:05.02 | streuner | very old? |
| 01:05.11 | Textmode | thats what i thought... |
| 01:05.17 | abrotman | Textmode: it was released Feb, 2009 |
| 01:05.20 | abrotman | !release history |
| 01:05.21 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. And Wheezy after that. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html. |
| 01:05.27 | streuner | sure, but just use squeeze now |
| 01:05.50 | streuner | its frozen yet |
| 01:05.59 | abrotman | not for servers |
| 01:06.26 | Textmode | ah, so squeeze has only just been frozen? that might explain it. |
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| 01:06.46 | streuner | Textmode: next step is stable |
| 01:07.02 | streuner | in a short time |
| 01:07.05 | streuner | usually |
| 01:07.35 | Textmode | I was looking at debian for nanonote, and noticed it was based on lenny. |
| 01:07.35 | cb | so the penguin is the next one :) i was wondering the last days |
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| 01:09.11 | latenite | Hi, what is the debian way to add init scripts? in gentoo I do "rc-update add name default". how is it done in debian? thanks |
| 01:09.27 | dvs | latenite: update-rc.d |
| 01:11.22 | latenite | dvs my new debian debootstab has no man? funny |
| 01:11.38 | dvs | weird |
| 01:12.20 | abrotman | install it ? |
| 01:13.51 | sedstapler | latenite: alternatively, interactive with rcconf |
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| 01:17.39 | peterrooney | latenite: update-rc.d may be what you're looking for |
| 01:19.22 | latenite | now I cant get to update? http://pastie.org/1142756 but ssh works fine. |
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| 01:20.22 | stew | latenite: please don't use ftp.debian.org, use a mirror: /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 01:21.25 | latenite | stew, ? /msg dpkg mirrors! what do you meen by that? |
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| 01:22.01 | stew | dpkg: tell latenite about mirrors |
| 01:22.05 | stew | i meant for you to msg the bot |
| 01:22.08 | stew | or http://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.html |
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| 01:23.50 | latenite | stew, still my box cant conncet to the outside wolrd, wh? |
| 01:24.20 | stew | latenite: oh, it can't. what did you mean by "ssh works fine"? |
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| 01:25.05 | latenite | stew, it is a linux container and frm within the container I can use ssh to connect to the host. |
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| 01:25.28 | latenite | but I can not ssh to any sever on the net...nor can I update |
| 01:25.51 | stew | latenite: can you show us the output of "route -n" in a pastebin? |
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| 01:26.52 | latenite | http://pastie.org/1142771 |
| 01:27.13 | CodeNinja | I'm having a repeat issue with my server http://docs.chriswalker.devnetonline.net/watchdog2.log and http://docs.chriswalker.devnetonline.net/watchdog.log Causes my system to become unresponsive from the network, it doesnt matter if I /etc/init.d/[networking|ifupdown] stop|start|restart or anything, it becomes totally unable to get to the internet. |
| 01:27.16 | stew | latenite: you need a default gateway |
| 01:27.51 | stew | latenite: can you show us your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 01:27.54 | abrotman | CodeNinja: tried a different NIC? |
| 01:28.12 | abrotman | (that uses a different driver) |
| 01:28.30 | latenite | http://pastie.org/1142776 |
| 01:28.46 | abrotman | CodeNinja: is there also some kernel messages above those? |
| 01:29.17 | stew | latenite: how did you bring your network up? |
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| 01:29.39 | latenite | stew, it just was up...I did not di anything |
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| 01:31.02 | CodeNinja | abrotman: no, nothing above them dont have another nic |
| 01:31.29 | abrotman | you don't have a PCI NIC anywhere to try ? |
| 01:31.33 | stew | latenite: i guess someone else set it up then. this network config file says you don't want your networking brought up automatically |
| 01:31.34 | latenite | stew, so what did I do wrng here? |
| 01:31.42 | CodeNinja | abrotman: no, sorry |
| 01:31.47 | CodeNinja | :| will fuck with it later, brbish |
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| 01:32.31 | stew | latenite: you'd probably want an "auto eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces, you might want "ip r a default via 192.168.4.1 |
| 01:32.40 | stew | err ip r a default via 192.168.4.1 via eth0" |
| 01:32.53 | stew | i suck, "ip r a default via 192.168.4.1 dev eth0" |
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| 01:33.30 | stew | latenite: but since you don't have "auto eth0" in /etc/network/intefaces, either someone brought up netwokring manually, or your network is configured somehow non-standardly |
| 01:33.40 | dvs | is glad to know he's not the only one |
| 01:36.50 | latenite | stew, that helped..now it works fine. I wonder WHAT set up the interface before? lol |
| 01:37.03 | mnuhmnuh | hey, just wanted to say thx to people who helped me flounder around with defective speakers last night. I think one of them's blown; won't work on 3 machines. Damn. :-P |
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| 01:37.15 | stew | latenite: now you really should change ftp.debian.org to some local mirror, please |
| 01:38.36 | latenite | I will, for suer |
| 01:38.37 | latenite | sure |
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| 01:45.35 | Ward| | hramrach, i talked to you before today right? |
| 01:46.19 | Ward| | not sure if it was you i dont have logs to check for the nickname.. |
| 01:46.37 | Ward| | (if anyone does, please check who i talked to about debootstrap) |
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| 01:48.38 | abrotman | Ward|: yes, it was hramrach |
| 01:48.48 | Ward| | abrotman, ah thanx man :) |
| 01:49.18 | Ward| | abrotman, if its not too much to ask could you repaste that link? |
| 01:49.44 | abrotman | http://www.jwhitham.org.uk/c/debootstrap.html .. that one? |
| 01:49.58 | Ward| | abrotman, yep, thanx again :) |
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| 01:54.57 | jellow | i need help with iptables , i have openvpn set up on a server (tun0) i want to forward the data to venet0 the external address? |
| 01:55.19 | jellow | al enabled packet forwarding already |
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| 02:26.59 | jigp | hello good morning. how to print?the printer is connected with the same network as mine.it is connected in windows. |
| 02:29.19 | jigp | i have done this but its not working.i can print using window to window.but debian it wont work http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing.html |
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| 02:34.13 | nyRednek | ok, if anyone asks, debootstrap doesn't work to install lenny when you're trying to install off of DSL |
| 02:34.29 | nyRednek | the kernel is too old and it won't chroot |
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| 02:41.35 | gnarface | nyRednek: are you sure about that? |
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| 02:46.43 | nyRednek | gnarface: that's the error i got, it wouldn't chroot with the error: FATAL: kernel is too old |
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| 02:47.52 | roe | where is the conf file for syslog? |
| 02:48.08 | sweetpi | ah.. dsl as in damn small linux. i thought you meant digital subscriber line :p |
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| 02:50.06 | Ward| | hramrach, usr/sbin/debootstrap |
| 02:50.07 | Ward| | .: 23: Can't open /usr/share/debootstrap/functions |
| 02:50.11 | roe | does the '*.* in this rule mean that everything is getting put in the /var/log/syslog file? |
| 02:50.17 | roe | *.*;auth,authpriv.none -/var/log/syslog |
| 02:50.32 | Ward| | which makes sense because /usr/share/debootstrap doesn't even exist |
| 02:51.00 | Ward| | hramrach, i think this is outdated :( |
| 02:52.13 | zophy | 83 230 69 128 66 214 89 24 92 204, what would create a hash like that from a five letter word ? |
| 02:52.35 | Ward| | hramrach, sorry i forgot to export, now it is: ".: 23: Can't open /mnt/usb/sda1/debootstrap/usr/lib/debootstrap/functions" |
| 02:52.43 | Ward| | which also makes sense since that dir doesnt exist |
| 02:53.06 | Ward| | but the link you gave me before said: "Set the environment variable DEBOOTSTRAP_DIR to point to $PWD/usr/lib/debootstrap. " |
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| 02:53.23 | Ward| | there's no lib dir in the deb |
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| 02:54.47 | Ward| | hramrach, lol poke too soon again, lib just became share |
| 02:54.53 | Ward| | but now i get"usr/sbin/debootstrap: 103: printf: not found" |
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| 02:56.08 | abrotman | Ward|: you might want to ask everyone .. he might be sleeping |
| 02:56.46 | Ward| | abrotman, yeah i meant it for if he wakes up :p but everyone is obviously welcome to reply |
| 02:57.08 | Ward| | its kindof quit here i assumed allmost nobody was reading |
| 02:57.14 | Ward| | anyway now its "E: No pkgdetails available; either install perl, or build pkgdetails.c from source" |
| 02:57.14 | Ward| | lol |
| 02:57.28 | Ward| | after ilinked printf from my busybox |
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| 03:00.32 | Ward| | http://forum.qnap.com/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=20174 this tells me i should compile perl... |
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| 03:02.08 | nyRednek | yeah, DSL==damn small linux |
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| 03:02.14 | nyRednek | it appears to be a dead project |
| 03:02.32 | nyRednek | i'm installing from a one cd slackware install |
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| 03:06.20 | nyRednek | i just happened to have a slackware 13.1 cd set sitting around...it is working much better than the other attemps |
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| 03:23.10 | ZitZ | hi, I'm wondering if I found a bug or not on the installer for squeeze |
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| 04:16.12 | uva | Hi there,after qemu 0.12,kqemu will be no longer used |
| 04:16.15 | uva | how does qemu speed up performance? |
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| 04:18.51 | flaarg | use kvm |
| 04:19.32 | unkmar | having a kvm assumes you have more than one machine.. |
| 04:19.32 | flaarg | if you need hardware based virt |
| 04:19.48 | unkmar | oh, is kvm a software now? |
| 04:19.59 | flaarg | ...kvm is module in kernel |
| 04:20.01 | uva | but some of my processor dont have intel-vt or amd-v |
| 04:20.37 | flaarg | processors that don't have those usually aren't worth it to virtualize on I think is the reasoning |
| 04:21.02 | flaarg | I guess if you still need it vmware still has its modules |
| 04:21.10 | flaarg | and virtualbox |
| 04:21.36 | nooper | unkmar: this definition seems to have taken over now.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel-based_Virtual_Machine |
| 04:21.49 | nooper | i miss the days when kvm meant the hardware kvm switch too |
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| 04:25.15 | uva | kvm switch can be easily replaced by vnc,right? |
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| 04:30.00 | gnarface | prefers X11 forwarding over ssh to clunky-assed bandwidth guzzling insecure VNC |
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| 04:31.30 | gnarface | uva: btw you don't need hardware virtualization extensions to make use of xen or kvm - they just make it faster. fyi though despite some minor issues linux-vserver is a suitably similar option for many purposes and it can boot performance without the use of any cpu-specific extensions |
| 04:32.15 | gnarface | i also very much enjoyed uml, though that isn't supported natively by debian yet - you gotta patch and recompile a kernel yourself |
| 04:32.41 | gnarface | (though i think there are debian packages that contain scripts to help automate this process) |
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| 04:36.09 | gnarface | ZitZ: i'm guessing for several months you can expect to find many bugs in the squeeze installer. most of us have better luck installing lenny then upgrading to squeeze/sid post-install |
| 04:36.45 | flaarg | I had to use a livecd to install grub |
| 04:36.48 | flaarg | for what its worth |
| 04:37.07 | uva | gnarface:LinuxVserver - Mostly used on servers. Creates multiple isolated containers. Will be deprecated in squeeze. |
| 04:37.28 | ZitZ | well, i wonder should I report it, i was using the graphical install and after i installed the base system, i deselected install standard system, and the install hung |
| 04:37.37 | uva | why debian quit vserver |
| 04:37.50 | ZitZ | but I'm not sure if I remembered to deselect install graphical desktop environment as well |
| 04:37.50 | gnarface | deprecated? that's news to me, but why? |
| 04:37.58 | uva | ya,why |
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| 04:39.03 | nyRednek | ok, guys, having a *few* issues with a debootstrapped install and wondering if someone could guide me along the rough edges to get this thing up |
| 04:39.08 | gnarface | ZitZ: i think that the general rule of thumb is to report it. the maintainers will decide whether it's a duplicate |
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| 04:39.45 | nyRednek | first issue, the debian kernel doesn't find the root partition...must use the default slack kernel or no go |
| 04:40.03 | nyRednek | the second isssue, i'm not quite sure where to put the eth stuff |
| 04:40.19 | gnarface | network configs go in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:40.23 | gnarface | there is a man page |
| 04:40.41 | uva | c |
| 04:40.46 | ZitZ | okay, I guess i will then |
| 04:40.53 | gnarface | debootstrap with a non-debian kernel? sounds daring. good luck :) |
| 04:41.41 | nyRednek | gnarface: i'd like it with the debian kernel, tbh |
| 04:41.47 | gnarface | ZitZ: you can search the bugtracker to see if it's already been reported of course. there might be a workaround attached to the report if it has |
| 04:42.28 | gnarface | nyRednek: last time i debootstrapped into a chroot it sortof just worked out of the box. i'd recommend doing that then changing afterwards to another kernel if you need to |
| 04:42.29 | ZitZ | well, the thing is I'm not sure if it is a bug, or just the fact that I was too stupid to deselect graphical desktop environment too |
| 04:42.49 | ZitZ | i guess it shouldn't hang though if you are stupid enough to forget that |
| 04:42.58 | nyRednek | but to the second issue, it errors with "eth0 device doesn't exist" and i have edited that particular file to be auto eth0\niface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 04:43.29 | gnarface | ZitZ: install *should* work with nothing selected at all. there's about 380MB of base install that installs even if you select nothing. it's capable of doing little other than booting and adding other stuff, but it should at least complete the install |
| 04:43.43 | nyRednek | gnarface: that's what i did...and when booting from debian kernel, the thing hung with "Waiting for root device" |
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| 04:44.06 | gnarface | nyRednek: guessing your file system isn't supported? |
| 04:44.20 | nyRednek | gnarface: it wasn't finding sdx |
| 04:44.43 | ZitZ | no you misunderstood, i wanted to select nothing, i deselected standard system, but i think i forgot to deslect graphical desktop environment as well |
| 04:44.58 | gnarface | nyRednek: hmm. maybe a weird issue mismatching the host system's kernel with the chrooted one? |
| 04:45.04 | ZitZ | when i tried again with the standard installer, i deselected everything and it worked |
| 04:45.06 | nyRednek | gnarface: i'm thinking so |
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| 04:45.43 | gnarface | it's possible. they share a /dev i think, so if your host kernel is too old it'll not be able to find important stuff. recently all the /dev/hdX stuff got renamed to /dev/sdX |
| 04:45.55 | nyRednek | gnarface: slackware does everything in sdx, even ide...debian kernel found hdx, i tried editing the fstab and going back in...no dice...still stuck "Waiting for root device" |
| 04:46.03 | gnarface | there's probably a way around that but it sounds like it would be easier just to update the kernel on the host system |
| 04:46.04 | nyRednek | gnarface: the slackware kernel is newer than the lenny kernel |
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| 04:46.34 | bblum | hey all, where does apt download .deb files to? |
| 04:46.43 | gnarface | nyRednek: that's the issue. the lenny kernel is rather old. you should try adding the backports kernel 2.6.32 to your lenny host. that should be current enough for putting squeeze or whatever into a chroot, i'd think |
| 04:46.53 | gnarface | !backports |
| 04:46.53 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 04:47.20 | gnarface | bblum: /var/cache/apt/archives/ i believe |
| 04:47.26 | bblum | ok |
| 04:47.41 | nyRednek | gnarface: so add backports to the line with main contrib etc? in it? |
| 04:47.42 | bblum | well, i'm running etch, and getting a 404 when trying to install zlib1g-dev |
| 04:47.55 | bblum | and i'm not sure if that's a bigger problem or if i should just pull down the file manually |
| 04:48.06 | gnarface | nyRednek: i think so. honestly i've never messed with them. i always just install stable then upgrade to unstable post-install |
| 04:48.41 | nyRednek | gnarface: or i can just change lenny for squeeze, chroot into it, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:48.59 | nyRednek | gnarface: and if i screw the pooch, i can use the slackware install cd to repair slack's lilo |
| 04:49.12 | flaarg | slack still uses lilo? |
| 04:49.22 | nyRednek | flaarg: so does debian, if you tell it to |
| 04:49.26 | flaarg | true |
| 04:49.37 | gnarface | nyRednek: sounds like a good hypothesis. |
| 04:49.54 | nyRednek | gnarface: this isn't my first frankenstein install attempt |
| 04:49.58 | gnarface | ZitZ: this probably will work better for you too. install using the stable installer then do a dist-upgrade to squeeze/sid |
| 04:50.19 | nyRednek | gnarface: i upgraded from 13.0 to 13.1 of slackware without a cd...just used lilo to load the install image |
| 04:50.20 | flaarg | bblum: are there even etch repos still? |
| 04:50.41 | bblum | flaarg: i guess? |
| 04:50.41 | ZitZ | the installer worked fine! when i did it without the graphical install |
| 04:51.00 | gnarface | so that's no big deal, ZitZ - you can install your window manager post-install |
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| 04:51.22 | gnarface | report the bug though if you'd like - it's certainly supposed to work |
| 04:51.31 | flaarg | bblum: yah you need to change your repo probably |
| 04:51.35 | flaarg | bblum: its moved to archive |
| 04:51.37 | flaarg | http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 04:51.53 | ZitZ | lol, yes! that's what I wanted to do! |
| 04:51.58 | ZitZ | i use e17 |
| 04:52.02 | flaarg | bblum: also you probably ought to think about updating to lenny |
| 04:52.04 | bblum | flaarg: oh, ok |
| 04:52.06 | bblum | yeah |
| 04:52.08 | bblum | i was going to |
| 04:52.13 | gnarface | bblum: etch has reached end of life. lenny is the new stable |
| 04:52.23 | gnarface | bblum: it's kinda old though. squeeze will be the next stable. |
| 04:52.33 | flaarg | hopefully before 2012 |
| 04:52.47 | gnarface | i'm putting my money on q1 2011 |
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| 04:53.29 | gnarface | aside from the installer being often borked though it's more stable than ubuntu |
| 04:53.45 | nyRednek | flaarg: speaking of which, i'll give you $100 for any real estate that you have, and will take posession of it december 30, 2012 |
| 04:54.18 | flaarg | I wish I had real estate |
| 04:54.19 | bblum | flaarg, 560 upgraded, 136 newly installed, 12 to remove and 1 not upgraded. heh |
| 04:54.43 | nyRednek | flaarg: iow, i don't think anything is gonna happen, and i'll bet something real against someone who does |
| 04:55.22 | nyRednek | btw, any way to get firefox on deb(not iceweasel)...my wife is particular |
| 04:55.40 | flaarg | nyRednek: there are ways to change the name |
| 04:55.51 | flaarg | so you use iceweasel, but it calls itself firefox |
| 04:55.55 | gnarface | my prediction for the next millennium - another 1000 years of the same old shit |
| 04:55.59 | nyRednek | flaarg: she's scared her themes will be lost on deb |
| 04:56.09 | nyRednek | has a separate /home drive |
| 04:56.52 | peterrooney | I think the most frankensteinish thing I've seen was a room with 20 boxes all set to use QNX, RedHat 6, Mandrake, W2k, and W98 for extra crunchy. |
| 04:56.53 | gnarface | nyRednek: you can just download the firefox .deb from the official website, i'm sure. iceweasel tends to be more secure though.... |
| 04:56.53 | flaarg | well you can use the linux binary download from mozilla.com the 32bit and 64bit should work just fine |
| 04:57.11 | nyRednek | gnarface flaarg: thanks |
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| 04:57.50 | stew | nyRednek: her themes will work with iceweasel |
| 04:57.54 | nyRednek | wow, quite a bit *has* changed between lenny and squeeze |
| 04:57.58 | nyRednek | stew: good |
| 04:58.13 | nyRednek | stew: you know the adage: if momma ain't happy, nobody's happy |
| 04:58.46 | gnarface | offtopic, i know but everyone here is clear on the fact that the mayans never predicted the end of the world in 2012, right? the counting system their calendar used just rolled over back to 0 then, like an odometer in an old sears van. all they predicted for 2012 was a big fucking party |
| 04:59.07 | nyRednek | gnarface: right |
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| 04:59.59 | nyRednek | could use an old sears van about now(wait, did sears make vans?) |
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| 05:00.23 | gnarface | nyRednek: no, actually sears used dodge vans |
| 05:00.33 | nyRednek | gnarface: i thought so |
| 05:00.57 | gnarface | painted a distinctive blue. you could tell they were sears shipping vans for a certain couple decades |
| 05:01.01 | nyRednek | i personally think the ford econoline is a little better |
| 05:01.04 | flaarg | that is some useless information |
| 05:01.09 | flaarg | I am amazed |
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| 05:01.32 | gnarface | sorry, waaay off topic. i'll stop |
| 05:02.03 | kmonk | you can carry on just do it in #debian-offtopic ;) |
| 05:03.40 | kmonk | does anyone recognise this error or have anyideas. trying to setup a brother dcp-165c printer for cups, it's driving me mental! while installing dcp165ccupswrapper.deb i get: |
| 05:03.57 | kmonk | lpadmin: Bad device-uri scheme "usb"! |
| 05:04.07 | gnarface | that's weird |
| 05:04.09 | gnarface | usb printer? |
| 05:04.22 | kmonk | yep |
| 05:04.49 | gnarface | i've heard of such things |
| 05:05.03 | gnarface | never tried to use one |
| 05:05.04 | kmonk | it is weird- and sparsely documented- lsusb reveals that the printer is connected- i've had it working before |
| 05:05.20 | gnarface | squeeze? |
| 05:05.22 | gnarface | sid? |
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| 05:05.23 | gnarface | lenny? |
| 05:05.26 | kmonk | squeeze |
| 05:05.42 | flaarg | its always a good time to invest in a network print server |
| 05:06.50 | kmonk | flaarg: that's an ideal candidate for the last resort solution ^_^ |
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| 05:08.01 | gnarface | kmonk: you say it was working in squeeze for you recently then stopped after an update? |
| 05:08.02 | flaarg | its ok im silently counting the years until printers are obsolete |
| 05:09.01 | gnarface | is working to try to actively make printers obsolete by smashing them to bits wherever they are found alone and unguarded |
| 05:09.36 | kmonk | i've had it running on squeeze. this is a new installation of squeeze |
| 05:09.44 | flaarg | we just need color eink so I can read national geographic without paper |
| 05:10.41 | gnarface | just watches nat geo on dtv |
| 05:12.44 | kmonk | xsane picks up the tv-capture card yet nothing else! aie! |
| 05:13.41 | kmonk | it was a foolproof installation last time, i wonder why it's going wrong now? |
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| 05:15.47 | gnarface | kmonk: hard to say but sid just broke my cedega and wine installs this weekend too. i'm still not sure how i got wine working again but cedega is still borked |
| 05:16.10 | gnarface | i'm trying to be patient and hoping it will magically resolve itself in a week as per usual |
| 05:17.27 | kmonk | that's expected in sid- sorry dude. when something goes wrong in squeeze or lenny is more probable that it's "something you did" not "something debian did" |
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| 05:18.43 | gnarface | well admittedly you're right |
| 05:18.50 | gnarface | but squeeze breaks a lot too |
| 05:19.12 | gnarface | though it's frozen now if you're having a problem you should report it |
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| 05:21.08 | nyRednek | is there some kind of netsetup script i can apt-get ? |
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| 05:21.52 | gnarface | i think there are a few but i don't use them myself. i don't like stuf co-opting my /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 05:22.02 | gnarface | it's really a pretty simple format |
| 05:23.12 | nyRednek | gnarface: i think i have that set up...re: what i showed you |
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| 05:23.34 | nyRednek | gnarface: but i would think that there's be something else to probe for and set up the proper module |
| 05:23.57 | nyRednek | s/there's/there'd |
| 05:24.02 | gnarface | first check: make sure the ethernet device shows up in lspci |
| 05:24.15 | gnarface | second check: find out what driver it's supposed to use, then make sure it shows up in lsmod |
| 05:24.16 | flaarg | usually if its in lspci it gets loaded automatically if the module exists |
| 05:24.28 | gnarface | in theory, yes |
| 05:24.32 | gnarface | but lets be pedantic here |
| 05:25.04 | gnarface | sometimes older versions of modules don't support *every* revision of a given board |
| 05:25.06 | nyRednek | gnarface: i know which module it's supposed to use |
| 05:25.27 | nyRednek | gnarface: the problem, it isn't autoloading(that might change when i reboot into squeeze |
| 05:25.50 | gnarface | you're on lenny you said? or is this the slackware kernel? |
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| 05:26.05 | kmonk | nyRednek: doesnt get much easier than a wicd wicd-daemon configuration for people who dont want the more efficient, manually implemented method that teaches you stuff :) |
| 05:27.03 | nyRednek | kmonk: wicd is being more or less EOL'ed |
| 05:27.26 | nyRednek | kmonk: i know the guy who wrote a signifigant portion of it...he's steering everyone to NetworkManager |
| 05:27.39 | flaarg | :( I hate networkmanager |
| 05:27.56 | nyRednek | flaarg: yeah |
| 05:28.06 | kmonk | so? i don't care for politics >_< then there's ceni which is a great net-setup script which isn't even in the repositories; |
| 05:28.24 | kmonk | "for good reason i'm sure" ;p |
| 05:28.25 | flaarg | I hate networkmanager because its hard to use if you don't use gnome |
| 05:29.20 | flaarg | does networkmanager have a cli interface? |
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| 05:33.30 | cahoot | try wicd |
| 05:33.31 | nevyn | flaarg: sadly no. |
| 05:33.57 | nevyn | likes networkmanager but then I use kde |
| 05:35.06 | flaarg | networkmanager reminds me of windows for some reason |
| 05:35.13 | gnarface | yea i don't hate network manager except when it hoses my manual changes to /etc/network/interfaces or forces me to install gnome |
| 05:36.02 | flaarg | its easier for easy, harder for hard |
| 05:36.47 | nevyn | flaarg: the problem is that things that are straightforward in nm are hard by hand |
| 05:37.14 | nevyn | like setting up a vpn over a wifi connection secured by WPA enterprise |
| 05:37.23 | nevyn | you can do it by hand but it's a pain. |
| 05:37.42 | flaarg | but when you want to restart gdm, you lose your wifi connection |
| 05:38.01 | nevyn | yes that's ass |
| 05:38.28 | nevyn | the problem is nm is mechinism not data storage or policy |
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| 05:38.48 | nevyn | so they pushed that stuff into clients. (knetworkmanager and gnome-network-manager) |
| 05:39.02 | nevyn | like storing wpa passwords securely etc. |
| 05:39.15 | flaarg | hmm so just need to make a curses network manager |
| 05:39.16 | flaarg | hmm |
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| 05:39.28 | nevyn | it's worse than that. |
| 05:39.39 | nevyn | you need a secure store for password and network information |
| 05:40.11 | nevyn | you need priority management so if network A you have a wpa key for and a unsecured network B is availible which does the system connect to? |
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| 05:40.37 | flaarg | so basically everthing gnome-network-manager is but without gnome |
| 05:40.37 | nevyn | you need a notification system to tell the user that the system is connected or not etc etc etc |
| 05:41.16 | nevyn | well the problem is it's everything gnome-network-manager is plus gnome-keyring and a few other bits of the gnome infrastructure |
| 05:41.50 | gnarface | it'd be nice if it was capable of merging manual configs in /etc/network/interfaces into the live running config it used too, rather than just mangling the crap out of the existing config |
| 05:42.06 | nevyn | gnarface: it can. |
| 05:42.15 | gnarface | i guess it's been a while since i tried it |
| 05:42.16 | nevyn | it's just a broken default |
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| 05:42.29 | gnarface | yea it sure broke when i tried it |
| 05:42.38 | gnarface | granted that was redhat enterprise too, ugh |
| 05:42.43 | flaarg | I just get mad that in order to use a wm other than kde/gnome you have to have either most of kde or gnome installed to use networkmanager |
| 05:42.46 | gnarface | 2006 maybe 2007 |
| 05:42.49 | nevyn | the default is if you have network manager installed ignore the system config files |
| 05:42.58 | iluminator101 | i just did apt-get update and upgrade it said it did a kernel upgrade to linux-image-2.6.32-21 i rebooted on grub its only showing 2.6.32-5....is 2.6.32-21 now the trunk kernel???? please clarify |
| 05:43.08 | nevyn | flaarg: yeah the problem is not as simple as you think |
| 05:43.21 | flaarg | well I see what you mean though |
| 05:43.22 | nevyn | particularly stuff like notification of a change of network to applications etc |
| 05:43.52 | gnarface | iluminator101: not as far as i know. are you on drugs? |
| 05:44.02 | nevyn | flaarg: the idea is if you change from the home network to a gprs wireless connection your im client get's told to reconnect everythinge type stuff |
| 05:44.54 | iluminator101 | well this is strange...then.... |
| 05:45.06 | flaarg | I see that its a great idea, and really useful. I just don't like being basically forced to isntall a bunch of gnome or kde to use it |
| 05:45.34 | gnarface | me either |
| 05:45.45 | flaarg | additionally not being able to use it without X is kinda bad |
| 05:45.47 | gnarface | that's why i'm an e16 holdout and i edit all my system configs by hand! |
| 05:45.54 | flaarg | I use awesome |
| 05:45.59 | flaarg | but I use wicd for netbook |
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| 05:46.23 | flaarg | while I hand edit my interfaces on my desktop |
| 05:46.52 | gnarface | ah for multiple locations that sounds useful |
| 05:46.59 | gnarface | i guess my machines are basically all stationary |
| 05:47.08 | gnarface | i almost never even use dhcp |
| 05:47.22 | gnarface | just for guests, really |
| 05:47.35 | flaarg | dhcp for wireless, static for wired |
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| 05:47.52 | flaarg | guests normally don't bring their own ethernet cords |
| 05:48.23 | gnarface | ha ha ha |
| 05:48.31 | gnarface | well i suppose it depends on the crowd you run with |
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| 05:49.06 | gnarface | most my guests do, but i keep some spares around as loaners just in case they forget ;) |
| 05:49.13 | iluminator101 | gnarface, whats the latest stable kernel available on debian squeeze |
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| 05:49.30 | flaarg | 2.5.32-5 |
| 05:49.31 | gnarface | iluminator101: 2.6.32-5 last i checked |
| 05:49.45 | flaarg | I mean 6 |
| 05:49.48 | flaarg | 2.6 |
| 05:49.48 | gnarface | iluminator101: you don't have ubuntu repositories mixed in there do you? |
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| 05:50.10 | flaarg | ohh ubuntu did just do a kernel image update to 20 something |
| 05:50.17 | flaarg | I think |
| 05:50.20 | gnarface | tsk tsk |
| 05:50.22 | iluminator101 | gnarface, NOO |
| 05:50.28 | gnarface | mixing species... that's how you get bird flu |
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| 05:51.03 | gnarface | iluminator101: do this: dpkg -l linux-image* |
| 05:51.06 | gnarface | what does it output? |
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| 05:51.15 | kmonk | better way to scan than xsane? |
| 05:51.57 | gnarface | kmonk: if you find one let me know. also if you find a scanner that can still be bought at brick&mortar store that works out-of-the-box in debian linux let me know too. |
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| 05:52.08 | gnarface | (usb preferred) |
| 05:52.39 | gnarface | kmonk: gimp maybe has an interface to the sane library? worth checking |
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| 05:53.35 | iluminator101 | kmonk:it took me a week to get my scanner working with debian |
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| 05:55.37 | kmonk | scanimage -d "brother3:bus3;dev1" >bronx.pnm i now have scan working but no print, better than nill! |
| 05:56.01 | gnarface | a lot better |
| 05:56.06 | gnarface | you can always email the scans |
| 05:56.13 | gnarface | you can't do the same with the prints |
| 05:56.31 | kmonk | unfortunately many people in my village dont have email addresses. let alone computers! |
| 05:56.47 | gnarface | i'm sorry |
| 05:56.59 | gnarface | that sounds ... horrifying |
| 05:57.27 | kmonk | it is |
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| 05:57.37 | gnarface | tell me you at least have street lights |
| 05:57.41 | iluminator101 | kmonk what country |
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| 05:58.39 | gnarface | time to watch some tv |
| 05:58.45 | kmonk | nz |
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| 05:59.16 | iluminator101 | ah heard about the earth quack is everyone okay |
| 05:59.27 | nyRednek | how to schedule a partition resize(to delete slack partition and take up rest of room on disk)? |
| 05:59.47 | kmonk | yeah they're doing alright, got tired of all the comments about how so and so's computer "got bricked" |
| 05:59.48 | massmc | Hello I'm trying to get the Netinstall of 505 from the master site and the images dont exist on the server.. anywhere else I can find this? |
| 05:59.50 | nyRednek | in other words, i got it up |
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| 06:00.03 | flaarg | nyRednek: schedule it? |
| 06:00.21 | nyRednek | flaarg: iirc, gparted used to set things up to happen on next boot |
| 06:00.34 | nyRednek | flaarg: just realized i can't do that with parted |
| 06:00.42 | flaarg | oh i don't know I just use the gparted livecd for resizing parts |
| 06:01.08 | kmonk | nyRednek: you could simple use cron to schedual the appropriate cfdisk command, i would test before implimentation though, resizing is the bronx |
| 06:01.36 | nyRednek | kmonk: that would break my root partition... |
| 06:01.41 | nyRednek | not recommended |
| 06:01.46 | nyRednek | btw, i finally got booted |
| 06:01.51 | flaarg | massmc: what location? |
| 06:01.56 | flaarg | massmc: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#mirrors |
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| 06:02.32 | flaarg | massmc: ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/i386/ this one is up |
| 06:02.53 | flaarg | ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/i386/iso-cd/debian-505-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 06:03.39 | nyRednek | i guess i could do it with DSL |
| 06:03.49 | nyRednek | i really don't want to mess with that, though |
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| 06:04.14 | kmonk | nyRednek: SystemRescueCd does well in the livecd that does things respect |
| 06:04.38 | nyRednek | kmonk: the problem, i don't have a burner |
| 06:04.45 | nyRednek | kmonk: this is an *old* machine |
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| 06:05.11 | kmonk | and no usb boot either? cronic |
| 06:05.23 | nyRednek | kmonk: PII, 400mhz |
| 06:05.32 | nyRednek | kmonk: no usb boot either, iow |
| 06:05.38 | nyRednek | i still got a floppy on this beast |
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| 06:06.12 | flaarg | http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/manual/html_node/Static-binaries.html |
| 06:06.17 | flaarg | nyRednek: woudl this help you |
| 06:06.32 | nyRednek | flaarg: maybe |
| 06:06.42 | nyRednek | too bad i don't have gpm installed |
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| 06:07.12 | flaarg | why do you need gpm? |
| 06:07.18 | kmonk | you could boot from floppy, then onto usb drive then do your work from there, inmo you might as well jam a cdrom in there they are easy to aquire |
| 06:07.24 | nyRednek | copy/paste of text |
| 06:08.26 | massmc | flaarg, thank you |
| 06:08.48 | flaarg | massmc: np |
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| 06:10.51 | nyRednek | kmonk: i can boot from cd, mount my /home, then run parted on my root part |
| 06:11.06 | nyRednek | flaarg: thanks |
| 06:11.33 | flaarg | nyRednek: that static parted for use in your home? didn't think of that nice |
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| 06:13.28 | nyRednek | flaarg: well, i need to upx expand it first |
| 06:14.55 | nyRednek | i made a mistake using tasksel to select graphical desktop |
| 06:15.07 | nyRednek | all i need is xfce for the family, not all this gnome stuff |
| 06:15.54 | flaarg | I now install the desktop and unistall what I don't want |
| 06:17.04 | nyRednek | flaarg: heh |
| 06:17.30 | nyRednek | one would think there'd be a metapackage for xfce |
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| 06:17.37 | nyRednek | and all its little goodies |
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| 06:23.22 | kmonk | xfce4 xfce4-goodies :) |
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| 06:37.50 | rgr_ | uh oh. Another kernel and xorg code in my current testing update... fingers crossed video still works... |
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| 06:39.05 | gnude | hello, what is the command to encrypt files in the shell using tht pgp-key created with seahorste? |
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| 06:41.37 | flaarg | gnude: gpg? |
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| 06:42.03 | gnude | is it installed default with debian? |
| 06:42.24 | flaarg | I have no idea, I just googled seahorse and it uses gnupg which command line is gpg |
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| 06:42.46 | flaarg | I don't use encryption other than what is default in debian |
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| 06:43.03 | gnude | ok. at the moment i reading the manpage of gpg |
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| 06:44.54 | gnude | veeery long manpage |
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| 06:46.46 | flaarg | gnude: http://www.madboa.com/geek/gpg-quickstart/ |
| 06:46.49 | flaarg | this seems to condense it |
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| 06:50.38 | rgr_ | flaarg: what a lovely looking web page that is. nicely laid out and updated. |
| 06:50.48 | gnude | flaarg: yes this seems to be what i search. but... at the moment dont work |
| 06:50.56 | flaarg | rgr_: and the guy who wrote it has an awesome name |
| 06:51.06 | gnude | 'your name' what must here come in? my email adress? |
| 06:51.12 | rgr_ | true |
| 06:51.30 | gnude | with gnome i dont have to enter a password. i just click "encryp" and then the file is ready |
| 06:51.31 | rgr_ | gnude: google a tutorial |
| 06:51.40 | flaarg | gnude: im guessing the name you used to make your key |
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| 06:51.56 | gnude | mom i try |
| 06:52.05 | rgr_ | what do you push? What "encryp"? What editor? |
| 06:52.14 | flaarg | im not a gpg guy, im a googlehead |
| 06:52.24 | gnude | ok |
| 06:52.25 | rgr_ | gpg == googles pretty good ... |
| 06:52.41 | rgr_ | I use gpg inside emacs. |
| 06:53.03 | gnude | he wants a passphrase. |
| 06:53.14 | rgr_ | or a key |
| 06:53.31 | not_david | hello gang, im using lxde and the power management features of xscreensaver saver dont seem to work. any suggestions on a power management alternative? |
| 06:53.37 | gnude | ok. i will use google to find something |
| 06:54.11 | not_david | ... but with less saver :/ |
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| 06:54.20 | rgr_ | not_david: power saving features are touch and go in Linux in my experience. depends on the hw very very much. Does it work with an alternative DE like gnome? |
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| 06:55.03 | flaarg | if you just want your screen to turn off after a little while, man xset and learn about dpms |
| 06:55.29 | not_david | rgr_: my box isnt fast enough to run gnome efficiently. but i *do* know it works fine in xfce, with their pwr man daemon. |
| 06:55.30 | yebyen_ | xset +dpms, xset dpms force off |
| 06:55.55 | flaarg | I personally use slock to lock my screen |
| 06:56.00 | not_david | flaarg: yebyen ill give that a look. i also just want the machine to sleep too. |
| 06:56.26 | rgr_ | hmm. my main dev machine still wont sleep or hibernate yet both work on my thinkpad. |
| 06:56.36 | flaarg | not_david: dpms can standby, suspend, off, or on |
| 06:56.38 | yebyen | not_david: i hear ya, i've just gone to freebsd and now my machine won't sleep at all... still have my choice of linuxes to sleep in |
| 06:56.59 | Piratero | FreeBSD! |
| 06:57.01 | Piratero | Amazing OS. |
| 06:57.02 | not_david | flaarg: good deal. |
| 06:57.08 | Piratero | Running it right now :-) |
| 06:57.09 | not_david | Piratero: gtfo |
| 06:57.12 | rgr_ | (well it does sleep - it just wont wake up - I suspect its bloody USB issues more than anything else) |
| 06:57.15 | not_david | XD |
| 06:57.17 | yebyen_ | i'm so impatient for the android froyo-x86 to mature to the point where i can run it on my netbook already |
| 06:57.26 | rgr_ | why? Its rubbish. |
| 06:57.33 | Piratero | What, FreeBSD? |
| 06:57.51 | yebyen_ | rgr_: because i saw a working donut build a long time ago, played with it for weeks, and i can't think of anything better to do with $200 |
| 06:57.57 | Piratero | Absurd! An excellent OS! |
| 06:57.58 | yebyen_ | i certainly can't virtualize much of anything on it |
| 06:58.16 | yebyen_ | froyo is miles ahead |
| 06:58.24 | yebyen_ | if they would just fix the graphics drivers, wifi, ... |
| 06:58.26 | yebyen_ | a few more things |
| 06:58.28 | Piratero | Actually, I'm using 3 operating systems right now. |
| 06:58.35 | rgr_ | oh if you want to play then fine. But its a mobile device OS and, well, sucks. I use it on my android phone. While much better than 2.1, Froyo would be awful on a full powered netbook. |
| 06:58.36 | yebyen_ | sleep was broken as i recall also |
| 06:58.51 | yebyen_ | rgr_: why do you say that? |
| 06:58.58 | rgr_ | say what? |
| 06:59.05 | yebyen_ | rgr_: i haven't had an android phone since eclair, also |
| 06:59.09 | yebyen_ | so enlighten me |
| 06:59.15 | classical_ | Hey ppl i want some help with dns (bind9) i have just installed it and nslookuped here is result http://pastebin.com/qhfg5TEh |
| 06:59.28 | yebyen_ | what's new in froyo that i'll be upset about on a netbook :? |
| 06:59.48 | rgr_ | about what? You lostme. Thinking an OS designed for low power, low resoure, small mobile devices will be good on a netbook/laptop is, well, optimistic to say the least. |
| 06:59.56 | yebyen_ | it would be terrific if the graphics drivers didn't blow goats |
| 07:00.13 | rgr_ | Are you talking linux or android there? |
| 07:00.15 | yebyen_ | rgr_: it was my favorite on the eeepc 2g surf... 7" screen what else can you do with it |
| 07:00.26 | classical_ | and this is in my /var/log/daemon.log http://pastebin.com/96iDWLqN |
| 07:00.36 | yebyen_ | rgr_: android has a special hell for anyone with an x86 machine who wants their graphics to run reasonably fast |
| 07:00.38 | flaarg | classical_: if you just trying to get a regular install to work and not setting up some sort of dns server, make sure youre resolv.conf is setup right |
| 07:00.40 | classical_ | why dns server does not recursion ? |
| 07:01.07 | rgr_ | yebyen_: I am amazed you expect it to. You have the davlic vm overhead for each and every program. |
| 07:01.09 | classical_ | flaarg, there is a root server in root.db |
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| 07:01.31 | yebyen_ | rgr_: you may not understand that it worked *great* in donut |
| 07:01.41 | classical_ | flaarg, plz see my pastebin links :-) |
| 07:01.41 | rgr_ | donut? |
| 07:01.45 | yebyen_ | then they introduced some graphics changes that just brought it to a crawl |
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| 07:01.49 | yebyen_ | donut, eclair, froyo |
| 07:01.51 | yebyen_ | 1.6 |
| 07:01.54 | rgr_ | ugh |
| 07:01.58 | yebyen_ | maybe 1.6 was cupcake |
| 07:02.11 | yebyen | anyway |
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| 07:02.14 | rgr_ | brb, off to buy a pound of butter for my toast .... |
| 07:02.17 | yebyen | i would just like to use it |
| 07:03.17 | rgr_ | I wish they would concentrate on getting it work properly on mobile phones. Its total crap compared to iPhone usage. jerky, inconsistent and hogs the battery something awful. I'm not impressed althought froyo IS a big improvement. |
| 07:03.35 | classical_ | i have installed bind9 two days ago on another machine and it was working just fine without making any changes in config files |
| 07:03.38 | flaarg | classical_: something is wrong with your dns is all I know, im don't know this kind of stuff other than to make sure your resolv.conf is set to a good dns server |
| 07:03.40 | rgr_ | but that improvment is more down to them enabling the JIT compiler at last. |
| 07:03.52 | rgr_ | flaarg: NO! |
| 07:04.02 | rgr_ | he shouldnt have to set anything in his resolve.conf. |
| 07:04.12 | rgr_ | his dns server should advertise itself. |
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| 07:04.19 | classical_ | rgr, yep :-) |
| 07:04.21 | flaarg | rgr_: depends if you are dhcp or static |
| 07:04.29 | yebyen | off to another kernel, i need device-mapper.ko :( |
| 07:04.40 | yebyen | does not want to try ksplice |
| 07:04.42 | classical_ | flaarg, it is dhcp |
| 07:05.00 | flaarg | I dunno then, maybe somebody else does |
| 07:05.04 | classical_ | dns is blocking queries this is in my /var/log/daemon.log http://pastebin.com/96iDWLqN |
| 07:05.06 | rgr_ | I use bind9. Its a total and utter bitch to configure. |
| 07:05.19 | classical_ | and plz help me to figure out how to fix this :-) |
| 07:05.23 | flaarg | classical_: its query www.google.com/A/IN which is denied to me |
| 07:05.28 | flaarg | if that helps |
| 07:05.33 | flaarg | in your deamon.log |
| 07:05.36 | rgr_ | whats thast command that shows you the "dns" approach? |
| 07:05.46 | classical_ | yes it denied but i dont know why |
| 07:05.58 | flaarg | classical_: www.google.com/A/IN is invalid |
| 07:06.08 | flaarg | The page you requested is invalid. |
| 07:06.12 | classical_ | rgr, i dont know |
| 07:06.15 | ShapeShifter499 | anyone have the wine 1.2-rc4 usb patches? |
| 07:06.20 | rgr_ | lol ..that would be funny ... |
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| 07:07.07 | classical_ | www.google.com is invalid ? |
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| 07:07.17 | flaarg | classical_: your daemon.log is trying to find www.google.com/A/IN |
| 07:07.22 | flaarg | which is invalid |
| 07:07.46 | flaarg | Sep 7 10:52:32 dns3 named[791]: client 80.83.xxx.xx#52341: query (cache) 'www.google.com/A/IN' denied |
| 07:08.06 | flaarg | I dunno how to fix this, but that might be your problem |
| 07:08.19 | classical_ | dns is searching in cache ? |
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| 07:08.40 | flaarg | classical_: its searching for the wrong page, like you ahve some extra things patched onto the end of the url |
| 07:08.44 | flaarg | try a different url |
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| 07:10.21 | flaarg | if you get the same A/IN in your daemon.log you know that is what is wrong |
| 07:10.23 | classical_ | same to other sites |
| 07:10.35 | flaarg | what is your daemon.log for a different site? |
| 07:10.50 | classical_ | query (cache) 'http://www.facebook.com/A/IN' denied |
| 07:10.59 | flaarg | yep you have that A/IN appended to the end. |
| 07:11.02 | flaarg | something is wrong with your config |
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| 07:11.26 | classical_ | i installed it via apt-get same did at another machine |
| 07:11.35 | classical_ | and there was working everything without |
| 07:11.41 | classical_ | touching any configuration files |
| 07:12.06 | classical_ | maybe try to install it from source ? :-) |
| 07:12.07 | flaarg | classical_: I don't know what is wrong, but that in your daemon.log it is searching for A/IN at the nd of the urls resulting in invalid urls |
| 07:12.17 | flaarg | I think its a config problem |
| 07:13.17 | classical_ | at first i had this problem |
| 07:13.17 | classical_ | http://serverfault.com/questions/141039/bind9-zone-files |
| 07:13.23 | classical_ | but i managed to fix it |
| 07:13.52 | classical_ | named-chackconf prints no errors |
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| 07:17.04 | kofi | Hi I have a old IBM TP 770x wh a RTL8139 cardbus cards that doesn't work in Debian but with Ubuntu Kernel. (cs: "cardbus cards are not supported") |
| 07:17.19 | passwordoff | To install package from another version (unstable from stable distribution) I need to add a "unstable" in /apt/sources.list, isn't it? |
| 07:17.39 | rafuch0 | yes |
| 07:17.43 | classical_ | as a guess dns is refusing for recursion |
| 07:18.06 | nyRednek | passwordoff: i think adding unstable to your sources.list will attempt to prompt you for a dist-upgrade |
| 07:18.36 | rafuch0 | depends of the package |
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| 07:18.49 | rafuch0 | and yo can always use the -t flag |
| 07:18.50 | passwordoff | But I won't distupgrade, I want upgrade only one package |
| 07:18.56 | kofi | Maybe apt-pinning is what you want? |
| 07:18.59 | rafuch0 | in aptitude or apt |
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| 07:19.35 | passwordoff | -t flag is require an "unstable" string in sources.list, isn't it? |
| 07:20.00 | nyRednek | i'm guessing quickest way to be rid of gnome... apt-get remove gnome* |
| 07:20.48 | NiLon | quickest way to be rid of gnome is to put pickaxe under flower pot and wait until it comes around |
| 07:21.04 | ootput | not funny |
| 07:21.06 | flaarg | NiLon: you can put a gold coin in a big mousetrap |
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| 07:22.17 | rafuch0 | yes |
| 07:22.20 | rafuch0 | it requires |
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| 07:22.33 | rafuch0 | but apt pinning is not a bad idea either check it out |
| 07:23.11 | passwordoff | kofi: thanks |
| 07:23.46 | kofi | fine :-) |
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| 07:26.22 | kofi | Is there someon around who knows about missing cardbus support (f. older models) in modern kernels? |
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| 07:27.40 | passwordoff | I will use backports |
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| 07:30.08 | ShapeShifter499 | comeon some on has got to have the wine 1.2-rc4 usb patches |
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| 07:35.03 | jelly-home | ShapeShifter499: have you tried the wine channel? |
| 07:35.07 | nsadmin | ShapeShifter499: patches? if there are patches that the maintainer wanted to apply, they'd be either applied to the orig tarball, combined with the .diff.gz or included in a patch dir |
| 07:35.23 | jelly-home | ShapeShifter499: #winehq |
| 07:35.32 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-home yes I have |
| 07:35.53 | ShapeShifter499 | the link to the patch on the wine wiki is broken |
| 07:36.09 | ShapeShifter499 | http://wiki.winehq.org/USB |
| 07:36.22 | ShapeShifter499 | I will have to go with the patch for 1.1.28 |
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| 07:37.29 | nsadmin | while you might get help here anyway (mo powah to ya if so), if the patch isn't part of the package (possibly in one of the above mentioned ways), that would put it outside any debian source package, and official line would read, it's not present in debian |
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| 07:37.50 | jelly-home | ShapeShifter499: tried contacting the blog owner where there patch used to reside? What does this have to do with Debian? |
| 07:38.04 | ShapeShifter499 | it doesn't? |
| 07:38.26 | jelly-home | ShapeShifter499: this is a support channel for a distro, you might be in the wrong place |
| 07:38.30 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm just asking hoping someone tried the patch and hasn't gotten rid of those files |
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| 07:38.41 | kmonk | ShapeShifter499: prehaps ##linux is worth a shot as well |
| 07:38.52 | nsadmin | that's a good idea |
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| 07:39.57 | Jon2 | Hi - I have a couple of debian boxes. They have been working for many days |
| 07:40.06 | Jon2 | All of a sudden they lost connectivity |
| 07:40.19 | Jon2 | I check ip route list & saw the the default gateway has been deleted |
| 07:40.21 | nsadmin | construction work? ladies of the evening? |
| 07:40.24 | kofi | Cardbus: Have spent several hours in searching, boot with "pci=noacpi" and it works (common TP 600 / 770 problem.) |
| 07:40.29 | Jon2 | the box got connecctivity again |
| 07:40.41 | Jon2 | but after a minute again the default gateway got deleted |
| 07:40.49 | Jon2 | any idea whow this happens? |
| 07:40.55 | Dewi | Jon2: how are you getting your IP? |
| 07:41.12 | Jon2 | DHCP |
| 07:41.17 | Jon2 | Dew1 : DHCP |
| 07:41.18 | nsadmin | Jon2: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:41.51 | Dewi | Jon2: could DHCP be expiring and failing to renew sometimes, for whatever reason? |
| 07:42.18 | nsadmin | would that info be in his logs? |
| 07:42.21 | Jon2 | sorry it's static |
| 07:42.22 | Dewi | (or maybe another DHCP on your network sending out broken info or something) |
| 07:42.23 | Jon2 | not DHCP |
| 07:42.27 | Jon2 | my mistake |
| 07:42.32 | nsadmin | Jon2: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:42.35 | Jon2 | one moment |
| 07:42.48 | nsadmin | you can obscure your IP if you wish |
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| 07:43.49 | nsadmin | this is actually somewhat interesting... you didn't know how you get your IP? |
| 07:43.49 | jargon- | any ideas why Suspend won't work in gnome-power-manager 2.22.1 on a fresh lenny? |
| 07:44.16 | jargon- | it just looks screen instead |
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| 07:44.26 | nsadmin | I would guess you didn't set up these boxes |
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| 07:45.38 | Jon2 | nsadmin : http://pastebin.com/qUimjwtK |
| 07:45.49 | Jon2 | I have obscured eth1, but that isn't being used at all |
| 07:46.00 | Jon2 | the route which was deleted was the one through eth0 |
| 07:46.29 | Jon2 | eth0 is ISP1, eth1 is ISP2, eth2 not used |
| 07:46.37 | Jon2 | eth3 - internal LAN |
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| 07:46.52 | Jon2 | only route default route - through gateway of eth0 |
| 07:46.57 | Jon2 | that keeps getting deleted |
| 07:47.04 | Jon2 | this started happening in the last hour |
| 07:47.07 | Jon2 | was fine till then |
| 07:47.38 | nsadmin | you have two gateway routes |
| 07:47.55 | passwordoff | The perfect answer to my question was "man apt_preferences". |
| 07:48.03 | shogun1234 | which is the right package to install regarding to use ntp client only? |
| 07:48.11 | shogun1234 | ntp, ntpupdate? |
| 07:48.17 | nsadmin | ntpd is a server and a client |
| 07:48.24 | nsadmin | only difference is config |
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| 07:48.49 | Jon2 | nsadmin: yes, but after the routes got deleted, through the command line, I set only a route through eth0 gateway |
| 07:48.54 | Jon2 | that got deleted after a minute |
| 07:49.00 | Jon2 | and I set it again |
| 07:49.04 | Jon2 | again it got deleted |
| 07:49.05 | shogun1234 | Does that mean if I install ntp package, then it will automatically syn with external server with setup in ntp.conf? |
| 07:49.21 | nsadmin | with static routing, you can have one gateway |
| 07:49.55 | nsadmin | believe so. |
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| 07:50.46 | nsadmin | if the clock is further away than 1024 secs, you have to do somethign to get the clock closer to the correct time, then ntp will syncv |
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| 07:51.22 | nsadmin | that thing used to be ntpdate, but I dunno how to do it these days |
| 07:51.54 | shogun1234 | ok. thanks for the explain. |
| 07:52.41 | nsadmin | maybe ntpd can also be used to move the clock closer initially |
| 07:53.22 | nsadmin | the only caveat being you shouldn't have an ntpd running on the ntp port or it won't work... |
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| 07:54.03 | jargon- | it just looks screen instead |
| 07:54.05 | jargon- | any ideas why Suspend won't work in gnome-power-manager 2.22.1 on a fresh lenny? |
| 07:54.31 | nsadmin | so if you have ntp now and the clock is too far out, you have to stop ntp (to get it off the port), run ntpdate or check how to do it with ntpd and do that, then start ntp again |
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| 07:55.16 | peterrooney | uses rdate, for the brute force win |
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| 08:00.02 | alcohol | vim ftw |
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| 08:06.56 | jpinx-eeepc | is there a way to merge 2 files so that one ends up with the total data, but with no duplication? |
| 08:07.25 | bocaneri | jpinx-eeepc, probably, but a great deal depends on the nature of the data. |
| 08:07.58 | jpinx-eeepc | bocaneri: basically text, sometimes the file is csv, sometimes not |
| 08:08.54 | jpinx-eeepc | even if I got it line by line without dupes, that would be a start |
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| 08:09.33 | bocaneri | Something like (cat {file1,file2}) | sort | uniq > file3 # maybe? |
| 08:10.29 | jpinx-eeepc | sort | uniq looks interesting - thanks |
| 08:11.17 | nsadmin | who/what is 31NABDT41? this would be the second different nick I've seen on the diabloic@something hostmask |
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| 08:15.46 | peterrooney | sort does have the -u option, so no need for a pipe to uniq |
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| 08:16.58 | peterrooney | ...unless you need uniq's "--check-chars" or "--skip-chars" |
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| 08:38.52 | blast_hardcheese | Where can I look at the list of changes for each kernel revision? I just updated and now X hangs |
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| 08:42.14 | jelly | nsadmin: nick collision after a netsplit can do that I think |
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| 08:44.00 | nsadmin | blast_hardcheese: I think it might be possibly one of those files in maybe the kernel source... |
| 08:45.07 | robrose | FSF fanboys are getting crazy: http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Software_blacklist |
| 08:46.04 | classical_ | how to delete everything in config file with vi ? |
| 08:46.17 | classical_ | gg and dG does not works |
| 08:47.23 | Shadur | :1,%d? |
| 08:47.32 | Shadur | Why not just rm the file? |
| 08:47.34 | blast_hardcheese | d999999d ? ;) |
| 08:47.54 | Shadur | Or just echo > file |
| 08:49.01 | blast_hardcheese | robrose: What the hell? b43-fwcutter's complaint is "Only useful to install non-free firmware" |
| 08:49.07 | blast_hardcheese | Yes, no ****. |
| 08:49.26 | classical_ | Shadur, coz i dont want to remove config file |
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| 08:49.33 | classical_ | i want to delete source |
| 08:50.27 | robrose | blast_hardcheese, this is the *opinion* of the FSF guys from libreplanet, check debian-reference |
| 08:50.34 | nsadmin | dude... learn vi... or learn unix |
| 08:50.46 | nsadmin | nano is an easier editor |
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| 08:51.15 | OpenTokix | I like nano =) |
| 08:51.19 | robrose | blast_hardcheese, debian-reference: suggests/instructs installing proprietary software |
| 08:51.39 | blast_hardcheese | /facepalm |
| 08:51.48 | nsadmin | so you have a coupla choices |
| 08:51.53 | nsadmin | actually 3 |
| 08:52.02 | nsadmin | one, don't use the device under linux |
| 08:52.07 | nsadmin | at all |
| 08:52.26 | nsadmin | two, get the firmware |
| 08:52.44 | nsadmin | three, get a different device that's actually supported by a free driver |
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| 08:53.17 | blast_hardcheese | robrose: These guys are nuts |
| 08:53.26 | blast_hardcheese | I like free things |
| 08:53.33 | blast_hardcheese | this is pedantry |
| 08:53.48 | nyRednek | blast_hardcheese: not everything is free |
| 08:54.11 | blast_hardcheese | nyRednek: Thank you for your contribution. We are reading http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Software_blacklist |
| 08:54.12 | robrose | agree nsadmin, my laptop has got an intel closed firmware wifi module: gave I to stop using it? no more wifi for the sake of libre planet? |
| 08:54.36 | robrose | (s/gave/have) |
| 08:54.38 | nsadmin | it's one of many choices (do you disagree?) |
| 08:55.16 | nsadmin | getting the firmware is another choice |
| 08:55.22 | robrose | right, choices, but I prefer to make choices with my brain |
| 08:55.36 | blast_hardcheese | The problem is that "free" alternatives are not always cost effective |
| 08:55.53 | nsadmin | have you tried it? |
| 08:56.01 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin: Not at all |
| 08:56.07 | blast_hardcheese | but it would mean I would have to trash everything I own |
| 08:56.18 | blast_hardcheese | which is, in itself, not cost effective |
| 08:56.19 | nyRednek | let's be honest, if we were fully dead set to using only free software/firmware, we wouldn't buy a video card or hard disk less than 10 years old(so that we could put the free bios/firmware to use) |
| 08:56.39 | nsadmin | I did... the fwcutter thing grabbed the firmware and put it in a file somewhere. done. |
| 08:56.47 | robrose | yeah let's go back to the 90s |
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| 08:57.24 | gnarface | some good games in the 90's.... |
| 08:57.30 | nyRednek | robrose: yeah, 540 meg hd's...how many of those would we need to really run a modern debian? |
| 08:57.31 | blast_hardcheese | That's my point; Even if you used modern technology that was FSF-compatible, you'd still be using stuff that would have seemed normal in the 90's |
| 08:57.42 | blast_hardcheese | nyRednek: One... |
| 08:58.04 | nyRednek | blast_hardcheese: until you started using stuff your wife/girlfriend/etc demanded, like a de |
| 08:58.05 | nsadmin | "modern" === "BLOATED AS ALL HELL"? :) |
| 08:58.12 | blast_hardcheese | One of my laptops is operating quite happily on a 512 meg CF card |
| 08:58.17 | robrose | LOL nsadmin :) |
| 08:58.38 | gnarface | gnome === modern |
| 08:58.42 | nyRednek | nsadmin: pretty much |
| 08:58.44 | blast_hardcheese | gnome === crapass |
| 08:58.50 | gnarface | a === b === c, PROOF! |
| 08:58.51 | nyRednek | gnarface: well, my wife uses xfce, but yeah |
| 08:58.54 | blast_hardcheese | The only thing I use about gnome is gde |
| 08:58.58 | blast_hardcheese | *gdm |
| 08:59.03 | nyRednek | blast_hardcheese: same here |
| 08:59.14 | blast_hardcheese | nyRednek: Which window manager do you use? |
| 08:59.16 | nyRednek | gnarface: btw, i got this thing fully up |
| 08:59.23 | nyRednek | blast_hardcheese: personally? |
| 08:59.29 | nyRednek | blast_hardcheese: or on this machine? |
| 08:59.32 | gnarface | grats nyRednek, what was the magic trick? updating the host kernel? |
| 08:59.46 | robrose | ..and I though that IceWeasel to be *libre*, but no: it allows user to install non-free plugins |
| 08:59.48 | blast_hardcheese | nyRednek: Which window manager do you put on boxes you will be primarily using |
| 08:59.51 | nyRednek | gnarface: updating to squeeze...fixed everything |
| 08:59.56 | blast_hardcheese | or do you prefer, shall we say |
| 08:59.59 | nyRednek | blast_hardcheese: fvwm and xfce |
| 09:00.07 | gnarface | nyRednek: hooraaay! |
| 09:00.13 | blast_hardcheese | hmm |
| 09:00.23 | blast_hardcheese | I've never actually used fvwm |
| 09:00.33 | gnarface | man that takes me back |
| 09:00.39 | gnarface | anyone remember afterstep? |
| 09:00.45 | gnarface | or solaris CDE |
| 09:00.47 | gnarface | ? |
| 09:00.50 | nyRednek | gnarface: yeah, i remember both |
| 09:00.52 | gnarface | good times |
| 09:01.03 | blast_hardcheese | has a friend running Solaris CDE |
| 09:01.04 | nyRednek | gnarface: glad i didn't have to compile tmux, btw |
| 09:01.05 | gnarface | file drawers |
| 09:01.06 | gnarface | lol |
| 09:01.30 | nyRednek | gnarface: that's why i was wanting to move away from slack...anything you really want, you gotta compile |
| 09:01.34 | blast_hardcheese | Well, time to sleep. |
| 09:01.36 | blast_hardcheese | Later all |
| 09:01.53 | gnarface | i used to install a base redhat and then compile all packages manually after that |
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| 09:02.07 | gnarface | then i discovered debian and realized packages can be done right |
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| 09:02.19 | gnarface | (by someone other than me) |
| 09:02.30 | nyRednek | oh, wth happened to xmms? |
| 09:02.39 | nyRednek | that's one program i *need* |
| 09:02.53 | jelly | nyRednek: it's gone the way of dodo |
| 09:03.07 | jelly | no gtk 1.x apps in debian any more |
| 09:03.09 | gnarface | nyRednek: audacious2 is the clone of the clone you are looking for |
| 09:03.21 | nyRednek | gnarface: audacious is nothing like xmms |
| 09:03.31 | gnarface | it is if you load the right theme |
| 09:03.33 | nyRednek | gnarface: well, on surface it is... |
| 09:03.43 | nyRednek | gnarface: but in function, you can't beat tradition |
| 09:03.47 | gnarface | there is an option to make it treat playlists more like xmms |
| 09:03.51 | gnarface | i forget what it is |
| 09:04.37 | nyRednek | gnarface: that's one thing i'll miss about slack...unless i compile it |
| 09:05.05 | nyRednek | gnarface: and compiling one app is better than compiling several dozen |
| 09:05.13 | gnarface | sure |
| 09:05.28 | gnarface | if you aren't already familiar with it, check out the 'checkinstall' package |
| 09:05.42 | nyRednek | i'm somewhat familiar |
| 09:06.01 | gnarface | it's very useful for uninstalls if you compile stuff yourself in debian |
| 09:06.20 | nyRednek | gnarface: i'll probably read the dox and make a deb |
| 09:06.35 | gnarface | ambitious |
| 09:06.38 | gnarface | noble |
| 09:06.55 | gnarface | checkinstall is the quick and dirty shortcut |
| 09:07.26 | nyRednek | gnarface: i maintain a few addon packages for slack...and, knowing that the package structure here is much rougher than the package structure there, i can still do it |
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| 09:09.31 | Shadur | likes xmms2, even if there not being an active frontend took some brief getting used to. |
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| 09:11.46 | linduxed | i've got my home mounted on a separate partition |
| 09:12.01 | linduxed | but i need to unmount it for a second |
| 09:12.21 | Shadur | Log out everything and everyone except root. |
| 09:12.37 | linduxed | the problem is that it says that home is busy, according to lsof | grep home three zsh sessions are the only thing running there |
| 09:12.38 | OpenTokix | linduxed: fuser is your friend |
| 09:13.04 | linduxed | the problem is that this is a headless remote server |
| 09:13.06 | Shadur | As is ps aux |
| 09:13.31 | linduxed | so i need to get into the root account through sudo -s or su anyway |
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| 09:13.41 | linduxed | i don't think i can go around the zsh shell |
| 09:13.43 | Shadur | linduxed: In that case, tell sshd temporarily to allow remote root logons, then sign off, log back in as root, proceed. |
| 09:13.59 | linduxed | Shadur: i use keys to log in |
| 09:14.09 | Shadur | Then once you're done, disable remote root logons again. |
| 09:14.10 | linduxed | Shadur: should i disable that too/ |
| 09:14.13 | linduxed | ? |
| 09:14.54 | Shadur | linduxed: Keys are fine. The important thing is you need to log on as root directly rather than through a user if you want to umount /home |
| 09:15.40 | linduxed | Shadur: ok |
| 09:15.51 | Shadur | In fact, keys are better than password challenge; in the remote case that someone is sniffing and decrypting your SSH session, there won't be any usable password sent over the line. |
| 09:16.10 | linduxed | Shadur: that's why i use them |
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| 09:16.55 | Shadur | Likewise. |
| 09:17.16 | Shadur | Well, that and the ability to use rsync securely in conjunction with cron |
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| 09:25.17 | Infin1ty | my raid array is having a check right now, is it possible to disable it via 'echo idle > /sys/block/md1/md/sync_action'? no weird effects? |
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| 09:26.06 | cantido | Infin1ty: not sure if you can stop it.. you can up the IO bandwidth available so that it finishes faster |
| 09:26.17 | Infin1ty | cantido, i don't want that check right now |
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| 09:31.37 | d3c | what's the easiest way to maintain (the same) crontab across multiple web servers? |
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| 09:32.28 | Cooleq | hi i have some question. How can I check file system type of connected but not mounted a portable drive? It's a WD 1TB drive |
| 09:32.42 | gnarface | d3c uh... scp it? |
| 09:33.15 | d3c | gnarface: my though was to create a php file in my svn repository that creates the crontab and installs it. how does that sound? |
| 09:33.20 | d3c | thought* |
| 09:33.48 | gnarface | d3c: traditionally bash is used for shell scripting such things but php can do it, heathen :-p |
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| 09:33.55 | amphi | Cooleq: file -s /dev/whatever |
| 09:34.25 | d3c | gnarface: yeah alright, thanks. |
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| 09:35.30 | cantido | d3c: create a shell script and stick it in the right cron.* directory in /etc .. don't get php involved |
| 09:35.42 | gnarface | d3c: perl or python or C or anything else you can execute at the command line that can call other shell commands is perfectly suitable as well. bash is typically used because it's generic "sh" compatible, which has a much broader install base. if you know php will always be installed where this will be run there's no huge reason not to do it |
| 09:36.00 | cantido | gnarface: massive start up time? |
| 09:36.12 | Cooleq | amphi: Thanks! |
| 09:36.52 | gnarface | cantido: when we're talking about 0.0001 seconds compared to 0.001 seconds for a once-run-per-host script sometimes development time and maintainability trumps optimization. who am i to tell his team of offshore php coders they need to learn bash? |
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| 09:37.37 | gnarface | if you'll scroll back you'll see i *did* try to discourage him from using something other than bash |
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| 09:39.23 | cantido | d3c: if you really have to do it in php, don't generate a crontab with it.. have a php script than cron starts with php. Ala drupal etc |
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| 09:39.45 | gnarface | UGH NO |
| 09:40.03 | gnarface | cantido: NO that's bad. php is known above all for being *leaky* |
| 09:40.25 | gnarface | i'd never recommend a daemonized php script |
| 09:40.26 | gnarface | that's bad |
| 09:40.37 | cantido | gnarface: doesn't matter if it leaks.. when php exits it will get cleaned up |
| 09:40.49 | cantido | gnarface: it won't be daemonized.. what gave you that idea |
| 09:40.52 | gnarface | if you set it to run all day you might not have that option |
| 09:41.17 | cantido | he shouldn't generate anything for cron with php just in case it breaks the config and stops the other jobs |
| 09:41.33 | cantido | if he calls a php script and it's broked there's no harm done |
| 09:41.48 | gnarface | sorry maybe you meant use cron to start a php script. i thought you meant to start a php script that stays awake all day polling every minute to avoid using cron |
| 09:42.12 | gnarface | the important point here is he should be using bash |
| 09:42.26 | gnarface | but there is more than one viable way to do it, god help him |
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| 09:44.32 | d3c | well. I 'just' need a fast way to maintain the same crontab across multiple identical web servers (that are load-balanced and do the same things) |
| 09:44.54 | gnarface | well if it's a cron entry that's time interval never changes |
| 09:45.02 | gnarface | but you might need to update the actual job itself often |
| 09:45.08 | gnarface | then calling php from a cron entry is a good plan |
| 09:45.09 | Infin1ty | how can i disable debian checking my raid array? i don't like it |
| 09:45.14 | cantido | d3c: how often does it need to run? |
| 09:45.16 | Infin1ty | it seems as the system is issuing a raid check |
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| 09:45.33 | cantido | Infin1ty: I think it's in the mdadm settings.. the frequency of checking etc |
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| 09:45.45 | cantido | Infin1ty: disabling it completely would be a very bad idea |
| 09:45.47 | d3c | cantido: everytime we update the code base. we have a lot of content generated via php in cron |
| 09:45.52 | Infin1ty | cantido, it fucks my system up |
| 09:46.02 | cantido | Infin1ty: in what way? |
| 09:46.23 | Infin1ty | cantido, i run a big database server (1tb+ on my sql) and it simply made queries so much slower, instead of a few seconds to around a minute |
| 09:46.31 | Infin1ty | cantido, even when the checking is slow around 1000k/s! |
| 09:46.40 | cantido | d3c: so you deploy the new code and you need to do some generation.. shouldn't that be part of your build/deploy process? |
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| 09:47.44 | cantido | Infin1ty: ok, so why? Is it restricting IO or is it taking too much processor time? |
| 09:48.05 | d3c | cantido: so we might choose to generate something else, thus another php script should be put into the crontab across all servers. |
| 09:48.06 | gnarface | d3c: i think he asked how often the job needed to *run* not how often it needed to be changed |
| 09:48.07 | d3c | gnarface: ah, well. there are many different jobs that run at different times |
| 09:48.16 | jelly | Infin1ty: limit the IO used for the check, instead |
| 09:48.19 | Infin1ty | cantido, restricting IO even though as i said, it set to 1000k/s limit |
| 09:48.32 | jelly | ah. |
| 09:48.33 | Infin1ty | jelly, i know, it is, but still it makes the system slow, i have no reason why, and it's even ssd disks |
| 09:48.47 | d3c | cantido: we have content that is generated by php nightly, hourly, per minute, etc |
| 09:48.47 | cantido | SSD's aren't always "faster" |
| 09:49.03 | Infin1ty | cantido, i know, but in my case they fit well |
| 09:49.14 | cantido | d3c: so, write a script that does that stuff and call it via cron every minute |
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| 09:50.33 | gnarface | cantido, d3c it doesn't have to be cron necessarily. i'm pretty sure svn has post-check-in hooks... it's an option |
| 09:50.37 | d3c | cantido: how would you make it one script? we have some scripts that run nightly. other scripts run every minute. I just need some way to edit a 'global' crontab for all web servers. |
| 09:51.07 | jelly | Infin1ty: it's just a cron job in the mdadm package. |
| 09:51.13 | cantido | d3c: you don't need to edit the crontab.. you can drop scripts into /etc/cron.* |
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| 09:51.25 | Infin1ty | jelly, ye, i saw it, /usr/share/mdadm/checkarray, and it's on /etc/cron.d/mdadm, i will just adjust it to my needs |
| 09:52.09 | cantido | thought most databases kept everthing that was live in RAM |
| 09:52.11 | d3c | cantido: and then make that a SVN repository for instance? |
| 09:52.48 | cantido | d3c: you could if you want.. you don't have to make everything automatic though |
| 09:53.00 | cantido | d3c: those scripts should change very rarely |
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| 09:53.35 | d3c | cantido: they don't. lets say we implement a new feature and have 10 web servers maybe. I'd hate to go through every server by hand. |
| 09:54.06 | gnarface | d3c: personally i like to use bash to automate an ssh command that copies files to each of the cluster nodes from a central repository, rather than checking out on each of them individually, but i guess that part is more about personal preference though |
| 09:54.25 | cantido | d3c: so make the cron part very very simple. Make it call a predefined script that never ever changes.. and any changes go into that (php?) script |
| 09:54.41 | cantido | d3c: s/changes/moves/ |
| 09:55.31 | cantido | d3c: you could also write logic into your php application so that it handles content regeneration on the fly |
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| 09:56.40 | d3c | cantido: we pre-generate some content to avoid race-conditions |
| 09:56.44 | gnarface | once wrote a php script that generated php scripts, but eventually had to take it out back and shoot it like a rabid dog |
| 09:56.52 | bint | google.de is nice today :D |
| 09:58.01 | d3c | gnarface: so in your bash script, you'd also include something that copied a new crontab to every server? |
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| 09:58.12 | cantido | d3c: in cron.daily put a script that calls </var/www/something/cron/daily.php>, in weekly... that way the cron scripts never need to change |
| 09:59.21 | cantido | someone has probably written some crappy cron wrapper for php.. it's got everything else wedged in there |
| 09:59.41 | gnarface | d3c: yes. this is possible using sudo, scp and public key authentication |
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| 09:59.48 | gnarface | (and a bash script) |
| 10:00.44 | gnarface | in fact, you can do a massive amount of deployment (or damage) using sudo, scp and public key authentication |
| 10:00.56 | gnarface | and one bash script |
| 10:01.00 | d3c | gnarface: I see. that might become the solution. |
| 10:01.07 | cantido | gnarface: sudo, pubkeys... and php! |
| 10:01.14 | gnarface | throw tar in the mix and you can make a great backup solution out of it too |
| 10:01.15 | d3c | gnarface: since we also need to write a deployment script anyway |
| 10:01.47 | gnarface | at 120,000$ per site licence it beats the pants off of netvault, at least |
| 10:02.01 | cantido | d3c: maybe you could look into phing? |
| 10:02.42 | gnarface | to be clear here, i never used php as part of the deployment automation - i used bash for all of that. i only deployed php WITH it |
| 10:02.49 | cantido | d3c: you could get all your deployment stuff wrapped up and include tasks to do your regular regeneration stuff. Cron could then be used to call those tasks |
| 10:02.52 | d3c | cantido: it doesn't have to be php. I'm open for bash scripting as well. it's just that our web services are php anyway. |
| 10:02.56 | darkskiez | i have a package which declares some dependancies but they are not installed, and apt isnt pulling them in |
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| 10:03.14 | darkskiez | its like they are invisible in the Depends: line |
| 10:04.01 | cantido | d3c: if you are rebuilding content or something php is fine. Just don't use it to generate system config |
| 10:04.14 | sphenxes | I am looking for easy to use macro record for debian. Is there any gui one for debian? |
| 10:04.20 | cantido | d3c: make your config static and document it |
| 10:04.41 | d3c | cantido: yeah. I think we'll do the following: write a deployment script (bash) that updates each node (including code base, crontab, etc). the crontab then calls several php files at different times that perform different tasks. |
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| 10:04.53 | gnarface | sounds like a plan to me |
| 10:05.12 | d3c | yes. I'll include our 'master' crontab in SVN so we'll only need to edit it in one place. |
| 10:05.38 | d3c | then it can be copied to the nodes with the deployment script. |
| 10:05.39 | cantido | d3c: you don't need to edit the crontab .. use the directories |
| 10:05.53 | d3c | cantido: what if something needs to run every 3 minutes? |
| 10:06.09 | d3c | cantido: aren't the directories not just for daily, hourly, etc? |
| 10:06.42 | cantido | d3c: put a single static call to your script in the crontab |
| 10:07.15 | cantido | d3c: you could put all of them into the crontab actually, the point is that those lines shouldn't change |
| 10:08.03 | cantido | d3c: so as long as you stick "these jobs need to be added to the crontab.." in your deployment docs you're golden |
| 10:08.03 | d3c | cantido: well they don't change unless we want a script to run at another time, add another script to run, etc |
| 10:08.21 | gnarface | eh but plans can change cantido |
| 10:08.29 | gnarface | it's tough to say what is truly appropriate there |
| 10:08.45 | gnarface | personlly what i'd do is i'd set up a specific *user* on each server node for running these jobs specifically |
| 10:08.49 | cantido | d3c: yes, but you implement that logic in the cron facing script |
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| 10:08.58 | gnarface | so i knew that it's crontab could be blown out safely with the full new set |
| 10:09.08 | cantido | d3c: cron calls minute.php every minute .. minute.php sorts out what should happen |
| 10:09.09 | gnarface | and i'd just give it a very specialized sudo rule |
| 10:09.10 | d3c | cantido: why not have a master crontab and copy it to nodes on deployment? |
| 10:09.17 | d3c | cantido: then edit that master crontab when needed |
| 10:09.28 | d3c | cantido: yes sure |
| 10:09.49 | cantido | d3c: so you make a small mistake in the crontab and it gets deployed to all your machines. no none of them are working |
| 10:09.59 | cantido | s/no/now/ |
| 10:10.02 | d3c | cantido: I won't |
| 10:10.30 | cantido | famous last words ;) |
| 10:10.35 | gnarface | d3c: crontabs are user specific. my suggestion is this: don't make this "master" crontab root's crontab. make a specific user to run your master crontab, and give that user specialized sudo rules just for what it needs to do |
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| 10:11.20 | gnarface | d3c: i think this suggetion would avoid cantido's concern without limiting your flexibility in the future with regards to changing execution intervals of the jobs |
| 10:11.25 | cantido | d3c: drupal and wordpress both implement a cron.php that is called by the web server user's crontab.. you might want to take a look |
| 10:11.39 | cantido | actually, not sure if wordpress does. Drupal does though |
| 10:11.46 | d3c | I'll look into it. |
| 10:11.52 | d3c | got some nice ideas from you guys, thanks |
| 10:12.02 | gnarface | good luck |
| 10:12.05 | gnarface | sandwich time for me |
| 10:12.09 | gnarface | good thing subway is always open |
| 10:12.12 | gnarface | later people |
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| 11:00.02 | easyfit | anyone remember how to disable that little line of information about operating system and versions of everything that is printed at the bottom of a directory listing through apache? |
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| 11:08.31 | handjob | Hi. I just used 'aptoncd' which just copied packages into apt's cache. How can I install those packages now? |
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| 11:09.04 | OpenTokix | easyfit: you add ServerSignature Off |
| 11:09.10 | OpenTokix | easyfit: to apache2.conf |
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| 11:10.00 | OpenTokix | easyfit: also ServerTokens Prod |
| 11:10.24 | OpenTokix | easyfit: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/core.html#servertokens |
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| 11:11.31 | bint | i did: nano file.conf and edited the file.. but now i dont have permissions to save the changings |
| 11:11.44 | bint | but i did a lot and dont wanna rewrite them.. can't i somehow change to root? |
| 11:11.50 | bint | while editing |
| 11:11.50 | OpenTokix | bint: That menas you can read the file, but not write it. |
| 11:12.19 | OpenTokix | bint: you can open another terminal, change the perimissions on the file. - Or you can change the name of the editied file and write the copy in a folder you have writing permissions for. |
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| 11:13.03 | bint | and to change permissions i do chmod "filename" ? |
| 11:13.19 | OpenTokix | bint: yes, but I would rather write the changed file somewhere else |
| 11:13.34 | OpenTokix | chmod 666 filename would make it writable for everyone |
| 11:14.14 | bint | ok |
| 11:14.16 | bint | thx |
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| 11:14.54 | ElAngelo | hi |
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| 11:15.17 | ElAngelo | my brother installed debian |
| 11:15.22 | ElAngelo | i can ssh to the machine |
| 11:15.29 | bint | nice :) |
| 11:15.32 | ElAngelo | but every now and then it's like the session freezes |
| 11:15.41 | ElAngelo | can't do anything anymore |
| 11:15.48 | bint | timeout? |
| 11:15.53 | ElAngelo | while his prompt nicely keeps working |
| 11:16.07 | ElAngelo | nah... it's always immediatly after a command |
| 11:16.16 | ElAngelo | like an ls would always fail |
| 11:16.20 | ElAngelo | while tail won't |
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| 11:16.52 | ElAngelo | no one else reported such problems? |
| 11:17.13 | filePeter | ElAngelo: Sounds like an hdd prob, no? |
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| 11:17.33 | ElAngelo | there is nothing in dmesg |
| 11:17.43 | ElAngelo | apt-get actions also usually fail |
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| 11:18.42 | Seb | hi fellows |
| 11:18.42 | bint | how can i see all the chmod's of the files and folders in a directory? |
| 11:18.52 | bint | i did man chmod |
| 11:19.02 | Seb | i've remapped RightAlt to be backspace in X, but that key doesn't repeat; what can I do to fix that ? |
| 11:19.02 | bint | but i can't find it how to list everything with its chmod numbers |
| 11:19.09 | Seb | bint: ls -l |
| 11:19.12 | bint | oh thx |
| 11:20.02 | stew | bint: stat -c '%a %n' * |
| 11:20.08 | bint | wow? :D |
| 11:20.11 | bint | i dont wanna type that |
| 11:20.30 | stew | then nm |
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| 11:22.51 | ElAngelo | vim gives me problems too |
| 11:22.53 | ElAngelo | sigh |
| 11:22.55 | ElAngelo | no fun |
| 11:24.48 | easyfit | OpenTokix: thanks! |
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| 11:25.47 | ElAngelo | top too |
| 11:25.49 | ElAngelo | grmbl |
| 11:25.56 | adac | Hi guys. I want to do a full system backup via rsync. Can someone point me to a hwoto where it is explained which folders i can exlude? |
| 11:26.16 | ElAngelo | you can't do full system backups with rsync |
| 11:26.21 | jpinx-eeepc | adac: man rsync |
| 11:26.22 | ElAngelo | use sysresccd for that |
| 11:26.40 | adac | ElAngelo, sure you can |
| 11:26.50 | ElAngelo | no you can't |
| 11:26.51 | the-dude | ElAngelo: why not ? |
| 11:27.02 | abrotman | !tell adac about what to backup |
| 11:27.22 | ElAngelo | if you want a *FULL* backup (partition tables, bootrecords, .... ) , rsync is useless |
| 11:27.28 | ElAngelo | just as useless as cp |
| 11:27.39 | jpinx-eeepc | adac: use dd |
| 11:27.45 | the-dude | ElAngelo: ah ok thats true :) |
| 11:27.46 | ElAngelo | dd is even worse |
| 11:27.52 | adac | yeah that is true. :) |
| 11:27.52 | ElAngelo | dd doesn't do any checking |
| 11:28.02 | ElAngelo | you have about 99% chance on corrupttion |
| 11:28.18 | jpinx-eeepc | rsync will do it if you know how to drive it |
| 11:28.24 | ElAngelo | ont it won't |
| 11:28.26 | ElAngelo | *no |
| 11:28.27 | abrotman | adac: see what the bot told you .. that will get you the important files |
| 11:28.27 | jpinx-eeepc | ElAngelo: bs |
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| 11:28.55 | jpinx-eeepc | ElAngelo: please stop misinforming people |
| 11:29.00 | abrotman | adac: and depending on the machine purpose, you may want to include /var/ |
| 11:29.02 | ElAngelo | rsync doesnt' understand discs... it understands files, so by definition you can't do a full backup |
| 11:29.15 | adac | abrotman, thx! |
| 11:29.19 | abrotman | or you could stop arguing about it and actually help the guy |
| 11:29.36 | abrotman | adac: you'll have to surf the options for rsync to make sure oyu get the ones you want |
| 11:29.46 | adac | abrotman, http://www.asconix.com/howtos/debian/rsync-backup-debian-lenny-howto |
| 11:29.49 | jpinx-eeepc | there are good examples in man rsync - the firstt thing I pointed to |
| 11:30.26 | adac | they propose to exlude /cdrom /dev /lost+found /proc /sys /tmp |
| 11:30.42 | abrotman | adac: looks reasonable, though you may want -p also |
| 11:30.47 | abrotman | depends on your requirements |
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| 11:30.56 | adac | abrotman, true! |
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| 11:32.57 | adac | Hmm rsync doesn't seem to have those parameters (like rdiff-backup has): --exclude-device-files --exclude-fifos --exclude-sockets |
| 11:33.21 | jpinx-eeepc | adac: no - you have to exclude by full path |
| 11:33.22 | adac | Can this become a problem if it tries to backup fifis and device files |
| 11:33.23 | abrotman | there's a method to exclude though |
| 11:33.48 | adac | abrotman, yes? |
| 11:33.54 | abrotman | yes, there is |
| 11:34.04 | abrotman | not for file types (i don't think) but for directories |
| 11:34.31 | adac | man rsync | less -p "--specials" |
| 11:34.34 | jpinx-eeepc | yes, directories (and their contents) or individual files |
| 11:34.38 | adac | guess this is what i want |
| 11:35.36 | adac | Seems by default rsync doesn't backup them at all |
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| 11:40.32 | Dampir | Ïðîñëóøàòü |
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| 11:43.34 | Dulin | http://pastebin.com/NW08jTPw |
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| 11:44.09 | Dampir | Äà\ |
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| 11:55.04 | dpkg | i heard pl is polska -> #debian-pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
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| 11:55.48 | dpkg | The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de |
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| 12:34.25 | pif | hi, how can I make sure initramfs includes all necessary drivers to boot my box? |
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| 12:34.57 | pif | I tried installing a debian kernel but it fails to detect the most basic hardware |
| 12:36.23 | petemc | which hardware? whats the error message? |
| 12:37.09 | pif | a sata controller for one |
| 12:37.23 | pif | error message? try "no disks" |
| 12:37.39 | petemc | ive never seen that exact error message |
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| 12:38.12 | BazGee | http://www.androidmayhem.com |
| 12:38.13 | BazGee | oops |
| 12:38.15 | BazGee | sorry |
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| 12:39.15 | abrotman | sorry my ass |
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| 12:40.53 | sedstapler | Is it a bad idea to add a user to the âfcronâ group? |
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| 12:42.46 | ward| | are there any options besides debootstrap and multistrap to get a mips chroot... ? |
| 12:43.02 | abrotman | qemu possibly? |
| 12:43.03 | ward| | (because both don't work) |
| 12:43.17 | abrotman | or you mean on a mips machine? |
| 12:43.23 | ward| | abrotman, so you meqn just q regulqr mips instqll in qemu? |
| 12:43.24 | abrotman | eh .. that was a dumb question :) |
| 12:43.34 | abrotman | ward|: why doesn't the debootstrap work ? |
| 12:43.42 | ward| | abrotman, it needs perl and i dont have that |
| 12:43.51 | abrotman | ward|: the host is also mips right? |
| 12:44.08 | ward| | abrotman, i was trying to run debootstrap on the actual machine |
| 12:44.26 | ward| | abrotman, i tried multistrap on my x86 machine |
| 12:44.39 | ward| | but that just told me about corrupt lines in apt as soon as it got those files |
| 12:45.10 | ward| | so now i was thinking are there no downloadable rootfses |
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| 12:50.12 | cornelinux | the-dude: I'd like the user to be asked for the ntpserver, Will this do the trick? I do not know the ntpserver at iso-build-time. |
| 12:50.20 | bint | whats the command to rename a file? |
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| 12:50.26 | djszapi | W: GPG error: https://files.maemo.org default/unreleased Release: No keyring installed in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/. |
| 12:50.27 | bint | rm is remove, cp is copy but renemae? |
| 12:50.31 | djszapi | how can I fix it ? |
| 12:50.32 | cornelinux | bint: mv: move |
| 12:50.45 | bint | but i dont want to move it i want to rename it :D |
| 12:50.45 | arosen | bint: mv oldname newname |
| 12:50.49 | bint | ah ok |
| 12:50.50 | bint | thx |
| 12:51.12 | hramrach | ward|: multistrap is supposed to work. If it does not it is likely an issue with your configuration or a bug |
| 12:51.29 | ward| | hramrach, bug i think according to google |
| 12:52.31 | hramrach | qemu might be an option but not exactly speedy |
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| 12:53.13 | hramrach | and it might not be able to emulate the exact hardware you need |
| 12:53.31 | ward| | yeah its not a good option |
| 12:53.39 | ward| | the best option so far seems to forget about it lol |
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| 12:54.06 | hramrach | or fix multistrap ;-) |
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| 12:55.15 | the-dude | cornelinux: perhaps leave it empy and see what that does |
| 12:56.23 | danielig | hi, I have installed squeeze on my system and used guided partitioning, after the first few install steps my partition for /usr was full, now my root partition "/" is full after some addional programmes |
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| 12:57.13 | jpinx-eeepc | small issue, but annoying. I have lxde and wicd (amongst other things) puts a little icon in the status bar. I had reason to totally quit and stop wocd, and the icon, of course, vanished. On restarted wicd, it didn't come back, can I get it back without restarting X (50 days up atm) |
| 12:57.27 | danielig | I have moved /usr/share to my /home partitions and symlinked it which is working, but now I need to get some more space for the root partition. |
| 12:57.59 | jpinx-eeepc | This is in lenny-with-backports btw |
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| 12:58.34 | rsouthard | Can someone help me get postgresql in my path? |
| 12:59.58 | stew | rsouthard: how did you install it? |
| 13:00.08 | rsouthard | with apt-get |
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| 13:01.08 | stew | rsouthard: are you looking specifically for a binary named "postgresql"? psql should already be in your path, for instance |
| 13:01.16 | stew | as should things like "createdb" or "createuser" |
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| 13:01.47 | danielig | http://pastebin.com/wURVdMLU is the output of df -h |
| 13:02.26 | rsouthard | Stew: trying to run this command. postgres createdb -U postgres -E UNICODE opennms. I cannot type postgr, then tab and have it autocomplete in bash. |
| 13:02.32 | danielig | I just wonder if the guided tour could provide better defaults |
| 13:02.55 | danielig | also, now when I want to repartition, what would happen? |
| 13:03.03 | stew | rsouthard: run "createdb -E UNICODE opennms" as the postgres user |
| 13:03.40 | rsouthard | Stew: got it. Will try. |
| 13:04.18 | ward| | hramrach, i'm looking at this now: http://www.digriz.org.uk/debootstrap-qemu |
| 13:04.41 | ward| | hramrach, but why does he do this? "cp /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static rootfs/usr/bin/ |
| 13:04.41 | ward| | " |
| 13:05.46 | ward| | ah never mind, i assume this makes chroot use qemu to be aable to chroot in |
| 13:07.10 | rsouthard | Stew: That worked thank you |
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| 13:08.09 | c3l | how do I use aptitude to install multiple packages listed in a file? |
| 13:08.36 | danielig | aptitude install |
| 13:08.37 | abrotman | aptitude install < file ? |
| 13:08.59 | danielig | c3l first do dpgk --set-selections < file |
| 13:09.20 | c3l | ah thats it, with each line en that file being a package, or how should they be separated? |
| 13:09.39 | danielig | c3l for abrotmans each line one programme |
| 13:09.53 | danielig | s/programme/package |
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| 13:10.09 | abrotman | danielig: i think yours would only work if his file had a new status .. not just a list of packages |
| 13:10.26 | danielig | for my version first get the seletions with dpkg --get-selections > file |
| 13:10.32 | danielig | right abrotman |
| 13:10.51 | c3l | why is the selections useful? |
| 13:11.04 | abrotman | it's not if you don't have a package state also |
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| 13:12.13 | danielig | it is useful if you have exported you selections for example from a previous install (as a backup) |
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| 13:15.06 | c3l | oh, the state's could be useful. so an example line with that method would be 'foopackage install' right? so after ive --set-selection, how do I run that action. or does --set-selection also do whats specified in the state, it doesnt seem like thats the case.. |
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| 13:16.18 | danielig | right, and it could also be foopackage deinstall |
| 13:16.46 | danielig | don't mix --set-selections and --get-selections |
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| 13:17.04 | c3l | yeah, the states are listed in the manpage, but im not getting how its then used |
| 13:17.25 | abrotman | c3l: did you try what i had suggested yet? |
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| 13:18.24 | c3l | no, maybe I should |
| 13:18.26 | danielig | listen to abrotman it is easier if you just want to install a bunch of stuff, actually I think I was wrong, you don't need to separate them through linebreaks |
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| 13:19.29 | danielig | it is just as if you had provided stuff on the command line: "#aptitude install apache2 mysql-common php5" for example |
| 13:19.34 | zap | Hello! Anybody can tell me the difference between all these "sarge", "K^Hlenny", "etch" names? Can't find it on debian.org |
| 13:19.52 | stew | zap: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 13:19.54 | danielig | !tell zap about versions |
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| 13:20.02 | zap | rtfm rules :) |
| 13:20.11 | ThisNicknameIsnt | \o/ |
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| 13:20.29 | stew | does abrotman's not need an xargs? or more <<< ? |
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| 13:20.37 | c3l | but having the ability to spicify not only packages to be installed, but also removed entrigues me |
| 13:21.21 | danielig | c3l of course you could also do aptitude remove <file |
| 13:21.28 | stew | c3l: append '-' to the packages you want to remove, and _ to the packages you want to purge |
| 13:21.52 | stew | c3l: like "aptitude install foo bar- baz_" means "install foo, remove bar, purge baz" |
| 13:22.02 | danielig | ah good, didn't know that, so after all aptitude HAS super-cow powers... ;-) |
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| 13:22.39 | stew | (and + means install and = means 'dont upgrade', etc) |
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| 13:22.55 | c3l | stew: ooh, cool. thanks a lot, all of you :) |
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| 13:24.35 | abrotman | stew: did he try it yet ? |
| 13:24.42 | stew | dunno |
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| 13:26.06 | danielig | I have a problem here with my partition table. when trying to install stuff I got the message that my root partition is full. and df -h tells me this: http://pastebin.com/wURVdMLU . Baobab tells me that the / is 12.7Gb and that it contains /home, although /home is on a different partition. |
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| 13:27.08 | danielig | I wonder what I could through from the / to have more space and why baobab shows these sizes which don't reflect the actual drivespace. |
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| 13:27.58 | jordanm | danielig: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 13:29.00 | whatlinux | one, quick question, how small can i get a debian install with a window manager, desktop (links only, not full DE is fine), and a couple tools like gcc and stuff? |
| 13:29.07 | aguitel | is there backports depo for squeeze ? |
| 13:29.49 | abrotman | aguitel: no, that's where the backports come from |
| 13:29.55 | whatlinux | i tried the netinst and it was at 1.5gb |
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| 13:30.03 | whatlinux | my hdd is 1.5gb! >.< |
| 13:30.14 | stew | aguitel: yes, on backports.debian.org |
| 13:30.26 | abrotman | whatlinux: aptitude install build-essential xorg blackbox (or whatever small WM you want) |
| 13:30.26 | D4rKr0W | the whole point of the backports is so that you can install packages from squeeze to lenny |
| 13:30.34 | aguitel | abrotman, and this ? :http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/squeeze-backports/ |
| 13:30.42 | abrotman | whatlinux: don't forget to clean up your aptitude cache with: aptitude clean |
| 13:30.43 | stew | aguitel: that is backports for squeeze |
| 13:30.47 | abrotman | aguitel: is there anything in it? |
| 13:31.00 | D4rKr0W | did they start porting it? |
| 13:31.02 | D4rKr0W | o.o |
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| 13:31.05 | stew | aguitel: well, yes, that is the repositor, but it is empty |
| 13:31.20 | mryanbrown | should it be possible to add an sysctl command in interfaces file to enable ipv6 forwarding since it wont stick on reboot in debian 5? |
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| 13:32.13 | aguitel | stew, ok |
| 13:32.18 | _strog | i have a debian system without a gui, and i wanted to ask how it is possible to change the resolution of the console |
| 13:32.24 | aguitel | abrotman, ok |
| 13:32.43 | mryanbrown | lol you cant change the console resolution w/o gui/x |
| 13:32.57 | mryanbrown | it's 80x25 characters |
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| 13:33.16 | _strog | lol ok font size might be the right word |
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| 13:33.33 | hramrach | mryanbrown: not with kms or framebuffer driver |
| 13:34.04 | whatlinux | abrotman: did that :( |
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| 13:34.24 | hramrach | _strog: you can use a framebuffer driver for your graphics card to change the resolution |
| 13:34.43 | whatlinux | does anyone know of small debian-based dists? |
| 13:34.44 | whatlinux | any of them with apt-get, under 1gb installed size |
| 13:34.52 | jordanm | whatlinux: debian |
| 13:34.55 | _strog | hramrach: got a good link to work with? |
| 13:34.57 | whatlinux | heh |
| 13:35.10 | whatlinux | i did netinst and couldn't get teh small WMs i like |
| 13:35.15 | hramrach | _strog: what graphics card do you have? |
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| 13:35.28 | hramrach | lcpci | grep -i vga |
| 13:35.33 | _strog | the system is a guest in vbox |
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| 13:35.47 | whatlinux | ideally i woulda done: xorg fluxbox mousepad emelfm dillo |
| 13:35.48 | whatlinux | but last 2 you can't get now |
| 13:35.56 | whatlinux | so i had to replace with xfce4-desktop |
| 13:35.58 | hramrach | _strog: then you have vesa |
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| 13:36.15 | _strog | hramrach |
| 13:36.32 | _strog | hramrach: ok... |
| 13:37.01 | hramrach | try looking at /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/modedb.txt or somesuch |
| 13:37.30 | whatlinux | ok, here's what it boils down to: 750mhz processor w/ 640mb of RAM, 1.5gb disk space, and i need about 300mb~ remaining after install. what's the best dist and/or apt-get's |
| 13:37.56 | hramrach | _strog: you will want the linux-doc package |
| 13:38.20 | jordanm | whatlinux: debian |
| 13:38.35 | jordanm | whatlinux: if you are looking for a different answer, perhaps ask ##linux |
| 13:38.50 | ondrejk | hello, im getting this on boot: Starting XFS recovery on filesystem: sd(8,2) (dev: sd(8,2)), how can i find out which partition is being recovered? |
| 13:39.00 | hramrach | debian should be able to do that, and is one of the better distros at saving space |
| 13:39.01 | whatlinux | it needs a registered nick |
| 13:39.22 | jordanm | whatlinux: /msg nickserver help |
| 13:39.35 | whatlinux | yes i know how to register |
| 13:39.40 | whatlinux | i don't want to |
| 13:39.57 | jordanm | hramrach: debian doesn't package his preferred web browser and file manager, which he hopes to find added by a derivative |
| 13:40.30 | whatlinux | the no packaging is fine |
| 13:40.31 | jordanm | who apparently would not have contributed their changes back to debian |
| 13:40.32 | cantido | whatlinux: you should be able to get debian into 1.5gb |
| 13:40.33 | hramrach | was dillo removed? |
| 13:40.41 | jordanm | ,versions dillo |
| 13:40.42 | judd | dillo -- etch: 0.8.5-4.1 |
| 13:40.43 | whatlinux | i did three netinst's on debia |
| 13:40.48 | jordanm | hramrach: yes |
| 13:40.48 | cantido | hramrach: it still used gtk1 I think.. |
| 13:40.54 | whatlinux | my last one i managed to get going nicely |
| 13:41.00 | whatlinux | then saw only 52mb space left |
| 13:41.08 | hramrach | well, it sucked anyway. No loss |
| 13:41.09 | danielig | jordanm Ii am running squeeze |
| 13:41.11 | jordanm | a base debian install is approx 150mb |
| 13:41.32 | jordanm | danielig: start by removing old kernels if there are some |
| 13:42.02 | hramrach | still uses gtk1 |
| 13:42.19 | cantido | GTK1 has been removed from Debian AFIAK |
| 13:42.29 | cantido | s/AFIAK/AFAIK |
| 13:42.52 | hramrach | it does not mean you can't have it installed from ancient times |
| 13:43.17 | hramrach | to support ancient software which was not forward-ported to gtk2 |
| 13:43.19 | cantido | hramrach: you could, but I think there is a dummy package that should get rid of it |
| 13:43.54 | jordanm | hramrach: IIRC, there have been packages dropped from squeeze for just that reason |
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| 13:44.13 | hramrach | cantido: apparently not. fsv still works |
| 13:44.18 | whatlinux | well so how would i install emelfm & dillo? |
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| 13:45.16 | hramrach | from etch repository while it's around, probably |
| 13:45.18 | danielig | jordanm, done that already, I just have the current 2.6.32-5 |
| 13:45.18 | cantido | whatlinux: you're machine isn't slow. Install iceweasel (firefox) |
| 13:45.26 | cantido | whatlinux: your machine |
| 13:45.26 | whatlinux | yeah, i did |
| 13:45.33 | whatlinux | my machine is: |
| 13:45.43 | cantido | dillo was pretty useless |
| 13:45.50 | whatlinux | 640mb RAM, 750mhz processor, usb 1.1 ports, 1.5gb hdd |
| 13:45.53 | hramrach | and if you want something lite there is midori or such |
| 13:45.59 | jordanm | danielig: well, that really is limited space on /, but you do have dedicated other partitions. I recommend using "gdmap" for finding and clearing up space |
| 13:46.01 | classical_ | http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntuce :-D |
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| 13:46.03 | whatlinux | needs to have about 300-400 meggish space left after install |
| 13:46.31 | jordanm | whatlinux: 640mb of RAM is more than plenty to run something like xfce of lxde |
| 13:46.46 | cantido | whatlinux: install debian.. when the menu comes up that has "web server, desktop system etc" don't select anything expect "standard system" |
| 13:46.48 | jordanm | prefers xfce regardless of RAM, and is running it on 8gb right now |
| 13:47.02 | whatlinux | cantido, i did exactly that. |
| 13:47.04 | hramrach | whatlinux: what did emelfm have that other fms don't? |
| 13:47.10 | whatlinux | small. |
| 13:47.12 | whatlinux | :d |
| 13:47.18 | whatlinux | i did debian netinst |
| 13:47.24 | whatlinux | selected stnd system ONLY |
| 13:47.27 | whatlinux | did |
| 13:47.27 | cantido | s/expect/except.. |
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| 13:47.41 | cantido | whatlinux: ok, so you should only have 300mb or so of disk used |
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| 13:47.49 | whatlinux | apt-get install xorg gdm xfce4-desktop ixceweasel |
| 13:47.56 | whatlinux | xosd-bin and gcc |
| 13:48.04 | cantido | whatlinux: if you install xorg it will install all the video drivers |
| 13:48.28 | mryanbrown | standard system is essentially lsb correct? |
| 13:48.30 | whatlinux | ok |
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| 13:48.32 | cantido | whatlinux: use aptitude to preen out all the bits of xorg you don't need for a start |
| 13:48.41 | jordanm | !tell mryanbrown about standard task |
| 13:49.12 | mryanbrown | !ask tasksel |
| 13:49.15 | mryanbrown | no? |
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| 13:49.26 | ChesterX | hi, I am looking for the aircrack-ng *.deb repository. I found this link: http://ubuntu2.cica.es/ubuntu/pool/universe/a/aircrack-ng/ in the aircrack-ng documentation but it seems as if it is broken. Is there a mirror? |
| 13:49.31 | mryanbrown | !tell mryanbrown tasksel |
| 13:49.40 | mryanbrown | oh bot told me |
| 13:49.42 | cantido | ChesterX: aircrack is in the main repo IIRC |
| 13:49.46 | jordanm | mryanbrown: /msg dpkg tasksel |
| 13:49.47 | whatlinux | !question tasksel |
| 13:49.47 | dpkg | tasksel: Do you have a Debian-related question that we can help you with? If you do, please ask it and someone will try to help; if you do not, then please be quiet. |
| 13:49.51 | mryanbrown | thanks |
| 13:49.56 | whatlinux | np |
| 13:50.00 | mryanbrown | still curious about... |
| 13:50.09 | mryanbrown | should it be possible to add an sysctl command in interfaces file to enable ipv6 forwarding since it wont stick on reboot in debian 5? |
| 13:50.18 | mryanbrown | like |
| 13:50.35 | mryanbrown | up echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/forwarding |
| 13:50.39 | cantido | mryanbrown: like /etc/sysctl.conf? |
| 13:50.40 | jordanm | Myztik: permanent sysctl belongs in sysctl.conf |
| 13:50.43 | mryanbrown | yes |
| 13:50.55 | mryanbrown | when i enable forwarding, it doesnt save it to the procs fs or w/e |
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| 13:51.02 | mryanbrown | so when i reboot forwarding is disabled |
| 13:51.09 | mryanbrown | i even uncommented it in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 13:51.09 | jordanm | mryanbrown: net.ipv6.conf.all.forwarding=1 |
| 13:51.13 | mryanbrown | did that |
| 13:51.13 | cantido | mryanbrown: because proc fs ins't a real fs |
| 13:51.16 | mryanbrown | doesnt stick |
| 13:51.16 | hramrach | whatlinux: try tkdesk ;-) |
| 13:51.25 | hramrach | I used to use that on RH5 |
| 13:51.27 | mryanbrown | oh right its a kernel model correct? |
| 13:51.28 | whatlinux | what's that? |
| 13:51.33 | mryanbrown | module* |
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| 13:51.44 | mryanbrown | up echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/forwarding in interface sound best? |
| 13:51.53 | hramrach | a desktop written in tk, with filemeneger, notepad, etc |
| 13:51.57 | handjob_ | I have problem with apt/internet connection. I am using samsung n130. It does not connect to eth0 and when I use mobile internet provider apt shows some problems with "transating name (for egzample) pl.archive.ubuntu.com". Based on what google says it may be DNS relatet, but I don't knew much about setting those. |
| 13:52.07 | ChesterX | cantido, how do i access it? |
| 13:52.09 | mryanbrown | well even though procsfs isnt a real fs |
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| 13:52.27 | mryanbrown | when it starts it should read sysctl.conf and see forwarding is enabled, yet it doesnt |
| 13:52.27 | hramrach | ,versions tkdesk |
| 13:52.27 | cantido | ChesterX: eh, aptitude install aircrack-ng |
| 13:52.29 | judd | tkdesk -- etch: 2.0-6.1; sid: 2.0-9.1; squeeze: 2.0-9.1 |
| 13:52.36 | jordanm | mryanbrown: most likely, something is setting it back |
| 13:52.43 | mryanbrown | either that or it reads sysctl.conf before ipv6 has loaded |
| 13:52.57 | mryanbrown | a clean debian 5.0.5 netinstall with just standard system |
| 13:52.57 | cantido | mryanbrown: if all else fails /etc/rc.local ;) |
| 13:53.16 | mryanbrown | its the issue described on the marduck page |
| 13:53.25 | jordanm | mryanbrown: I suppose you could add sysctl -p to either rc.local like cantido said, or to post-up |
| 13:53.35 | jordanm | !tell handjob_ about ubuntu |
| 13:53.38 | mryanbrown | but I feel that work around is too cumbersome |
| 13:53.51 | hramrach | there was some other light file manager but I forgot what it was |
| 13:53.53 | ChesterX | cantido, thanks it works. How come it works even if I can find it in the software manager repository? |
| 13:54.01 | mryanbrown | i think ipv6 is just loading after sysctl |
| 13:54.04 | cantido | ChesterX: no idea |
| 13:54.22 | ChesterX | cantido, ok thank you anyway ;-) |
| 13:54.38 | jordanm | mryanbrown: we are on 5.0.6 now btw |
| 13:54.54 | cantido | ChesterX: apt-cache search <keyword, name of app> |
| 13:55.00 | cantido | ChesterX: :) |
| 13:55.02 | mryanbrown | when did it come out? I should just do apt-get dist-upgrade correct? |
| 13:55.23 | jordanm | !tell mryanbrown about aptitude |
| 13:55.35 | whatlinux | !question aptitude |
| 13:55.35 | dpkg | aptitude: Do you have a Debian-related question that we can help you with? If you do, please ask it and someone will try to help; if you do not, then please be quiet. |
| 13:55.48 | whatlinux | !ask aptitude |
| 13:56.02 | jordanm | mryanbrown: dist-upgrade/full-upgrade should never be required for a point release. plain safe-upgrade or upgrade is fine. if you used netinst, it likely pulled in the updates already |
| 13:56.11 | jordanm | !tell whatlinux about dpkgbot |
| 13:56.20 | whatlinux | ooh |
| 13:56.22 | whatlinux | it pms |
| 13:56.23 | whatlinux | nice |
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| 13:56.58 | jordanm | recommends apticron |
| 13:57.10 | danielig | ah, jordanm I found out what the problem was, I had /opt still on the root partition and something like adobe got installed there. thanks for your help |
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| 13:57.22 | whatlinux | oh god |
| 13:57.32 | whatlinux | it just insulted me with "are you using windows" |
| 13:57.39 | whatlinux | *kills dpkgbot" |
| 13:57.53 | mryanbrown | oh yay 1 day old |
| 13:57.57 | jduggan_ | hi guys, i have a bunch of disks that i create a single partition on each, they all get created fine as sda1 sdb1 sdc1 etc. When i reboot the partitions are gone. if i fdisk or cfdisk theyre there, i can write teh table again an dlinux suddenly sees them, what would cause that? |
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| 13:58.54 | g0rd0n | i need the smarty 2.6.20-1.2 version package... is there an archive where i can download it from? |
| 13:59.03 | pif | jduggan_: how do you know they're "gone"? |
| 13:59.08 | cantido | jduggan_: fdisk it telling the kernel to re-read the partition table .. you can do it with partx too |
| 13:59.14 | g0rd0n | the -1.3 version seems to break something on my install so i want to try the older package |
| 13:59.40 | cantido | jduggan_: I had issues like that with a GPT partition table, if I didn't boot from that disk Debian couldn't see the partitions on it |
| 14:00.05 | mryanbrown | how do i find out what bugs were fixed in 5.0.6 |
| 14:00.14 | mryanbrown | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=507788 |
| 14:00.26 | mryanbrown | thats the ipv6 sysctl issue im having |
| 14:01.29 | mryanbrown | oh neat I just need to add ipv6 to modules, rather than wait for interfaces to load |
| 14:01.37 | jduggan_ | pif: ls -l on /dev/sda1 is not there, the sda device is though. For whats its worth theyre all set at linux raid disk types and in a raid5 set - looks like there is possibly a bug with mdraid? |
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| 14:02.35 | danielig | I just installed the gnome-desktop and now want to get rid of the games and some other things such as abiword etc. but when I want to remove them apt wants to remove all the stuff from the gnome metapackage... how do I go about this again? |
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| 14:02.56 | danielig | with the -f option? |
| 14:03.08 | danielig | leaving all dependencies unresolved? |
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| 14:03.45 | daxroc | Afternoon all |
| 14:04.02 | danielig | afternoon daxroc |
| 14:04.25 | whatlinux | Afternoon daxroc. |
| 14:04.37 | daxroc | Are the irish ftp servers slow, some packages are comming in less than 1kB ? |
| 14:06.08 | whatlinux | quick question, is there way to cluster 3-4 computers and use them as if it's a normal computer? |
| 14:06.30 | daxroc | whatlinux: Not as one single |
| 14:06.37 | whatlinux | like, desktops 1234 all wired/clustered, me get on #1, and use cpu power of all 4 as if im on one? |
| 14:06.43 | whatlinux | dang |
| 14:07.17 | daxroc | well not with out writing custom application to do what you want, I would guess |
| 14:07.37 | daxroc | whatlinux: what do you want to do |
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| 14:07.47 | whatlinux | distcc with normal applications |
| 14:07.49 | whatlinux | essetially |
| 14:07.52 | whatlinux | essentially |
| 14:08.34 | daxroc | whatlinux: that should work fine , dist cc is setup for that ( distributed c compiler ) |
| 14:08.40 | runa | heyas. I happen to have a symlinked cron file to /etc/cron.d/ both the link and the file are owned by root, and I checked syslog and there're no mentions about wrong permissions or anything related. I'm not really sure what's wrong here, but the cron tasks are not ran. any hints? |
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| 14:10.59 | hramrach | daxroc: yes, distcc is but there is no distfirefox |
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| 14:11.21 | daxroc | hramrach: never said there was |
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| 14:11.35 | hramrach | so it won't run distributed |
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| 14:12.03 | hramrach | and given tha lack of design in Mozilla it probably never will unless it's rewritten from scratch |
| 14:12.52 | daxroc | start it off for them, sure bet they would be greatful |
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| 14:13.52 | hramrach | the problem is it takes _lots_ of work to make a browser even half-useful, that's why all the 'alternative' browsers suck |
| 14:14.48 | daxroc | so you prefer an ad ridden chrome over firefox ? |
| 14:15.05 | daxroc | each to their own! |
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| 14:17.43 | hramrach | chrome sucks because it runs on << 1% paltforms |
| 14:18.58 | tarzeau | hramrach: google chrome? |
| 14:19.06 | tarzeau | firefox sucks much more! |
| 14:19.21 | tarzeau | daxroc: i certainly prefer everything over mozilla software |
| 14:19.46 | abrotman | wonders when tarzeau became so grumpy all the time |
| 14:19.53 | hramrach | I prefer everything over closed software that runs next to nowhere |
| 14:20.13 | tarzeau | hramrach: it's not like there's no source to it, it's called chromium browser |
| 14:21.23 | hramrach | every software has source .. somewhere |
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| 14:21.35 | tarzeau | hramrach: which is public |
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| 14:22.49 | hramrach | I don't see a link to the source on the Chromium pages |
| 14:23.18 | tarzeau | hramrach: this one? http://code.google.com/chromium/ |
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| 14:29.47 | hramrach | tarzeau: yes, that one |
| 14:30.18 | tarzeau | hramrach: there's a link for the source. even i managed to get hold of the source (of chromium-browser) |
| 14:30.30 | tarzeau | hramrach: you can get the debian source package too, from debian (that's maybe easier) |
| 14:31.09 | hramrach | yes, that would be easier. There is just more of the branding crap so it's no longer Chrome |
| 14:31.13 | ChesterX | I am trying to install mdk3-v6 (necessary for aircrack-ng), I always get "ERROR 127", any idea? |
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| 15:25.14 | Devastator | can somebody help me create a bootdisk from lenny netinst cd? |
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| 15:27.55 | bbooqq | In case of binary package, security fix or bug fix comes as a new package or is it defined as a new package which only contains changed files (executables, libraries, ...)? |
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| 15:30.50 | themill | bbooqq: a NEW package has new binary packages -- that wouldn't normally be a security fix or a bug fix except in the case of a library where the SONAME gets changed as part of the fix. This happened a few times recently for dns and krb related libraries, but that's pretty uncommon. |
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| 15:34.04 | bbooqq | themill: So, normally, small bug fixes come as updated version of the original (or previous) package. right? |
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| 15:34.59 | themill | bbooqq: Yes. That's what you see when you see package versions going from -1 to -2 etc in testing/unstable (or -1 to -1lenny1 -1lenny2 etc in the stable release) |
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| 15:37.37 | ThisNicknameIsnt | Devastator, what do you mean exactly? A netinst floppy? |
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| 15:39.19 | Devastator | ThisNicknameIsnt I need to create a floppy boot disk because the computer I'm messing with is too old and doesn't have cdrom boot in bios |
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| 15:39.43 | Devastator | but I guess netinst cd doesn't have rawrite, I'm downloading a full image |
| 15:40.01 | jordanm | floppies were discontinued after etch IIRC |
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| 15:40.47 | Devastator | jordanm please tell me there's still rawrite under tools folder on cd |
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| 15:41.19 | jordanm | Devastator: no idea |
| 15:41.32 | Devastator | crossing fingers |
| 15:41.34 | blast_hardcheese | Devastator: Is pulling the HDD not an option? |
| 15:41.38 | bbooqq | themill: Thanks a lot!, I'm very new to debian (*.deb) and studying on package management for my software, which is proprietary though. And my team is having hard time in management of patches. I think studying Debian's method can help our situation. |
| 15:41.56 | ThisNicknameIsnt | blast that's what I thought |
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| 15:42.12 | blast_hardcheese | If the machine I'm trying to install on doesn't support netboot or reasonable attempts at netinstall, I just use my IDE->USB adapter and kvm |
| 15:42.15 | Devastator | blast_hardcheese not an option, I don't have other computers to plug it, only notebooks.. |
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| 15:42.44 | themill | bbooqq: much of this is documented in tutorial form (/msg dpkg nmg), in "recommendations" form (/msg dpkg devref) and in policy (/msg dpkg policy). Happy reading :) |
| 15:42.47 | blast_hardcheese | Devastator: You could use a gPXE boot floppy :) |
| 15:42.58 | uofm426 | anyone know hardware |
| 15:42.59 | blast_hardcheese | If your machine is that old, it would probably have a supported network card by now |
| 15:43.24 | blast_hardcheese | netboot is much better than physical media anyhow |
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| 15:43.35 | Devastator | blast_hardcheese as soon as i find a network card, I have to look into the "garbage" again |
| 15:43.48 | blast_hardcheese | Devastator: ouch |
| 15:45.03 | Devastator | blast_hardcheese yep.. "ouch" indeed |
| 15:45.20 | blast_hardcheese | Well, have fun, gotta head to work :) |
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| 15:45.54 | Devastator | thanks! |
| 15:46.00 | Devastator | it's holiday here |
| 15:46.17 | blast_hardcheese | Where's here? |
| 15:46.24 | Devastator | Brazil |
| 15:46.29 | blast_hardcheese | oh, neat |
| 15:46.42 | blast_hardcheese | We had a holiday yesterday |
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| 15:47.57 | Devastator | yay holidays |
| 15:48.18 | bint | i have a folder "jail" where only root got access to.. but i kinda wanna add some other users to have access to it |
| 15:48.21 | bint | how does it work? |
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| 15:48.32 | bint | ls -l i can see owner root |
| 15:48.40 | bint | but i dont know how to add groups or persons |
| 15:49.26 | jhutchins_lt | Devastator: The problem is that the standard linux kernel no longer fits on a single floppy. It takes at least two floppies to boot, and since people stopped even trying to support floppies it's probably gotten even more bloated. |
| 15:49.59 | elkclone | floppies. wtf. |
| 15:50.09 | bint | floppies suck |
| 15:50.21 | jhutchins_lt | Sometimes floppies are all you have. |
| 15:50.23 | ThisNicknameIsnt | bint, man chown |
| 15:50.28 | bint | thx ThisNicknameIsnt |
| 15:50.32 | Devastator | jhutchins_lt so, you mean there's no "rawrite" on lenny? |
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| 15:50.33 | uofm426 | are most am2/am2+ am3 board one set watt |
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| 15:50.41 | elkclone | ya chown |
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| 15:50.49 | jhutchins_lt | Devastator: I mean there's no image to make the floppies from. |
| 15:50.53 | r101011 | im using mdadm but haven't in a while |
| 15:51.04 | r101011 | should I partition before or after creating the raid? |
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| 15:51.42 | themill | uofm426: seriously.... ##hardware. |
| 15:51.44 | Devastator | jhutchins_lt what my options are? I have cdrom, but bios doesn't support boot, floppy |
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| 15:52.00 | bbooqq | themill: Quite off topic, but I'm wondering about OS (for example, IBM AIX) patches, the patch is called patch-set, do you think the patch-set of AIX also managed in same manner regarding my original question? |
| 15:52.14 | jhutchins_lt | Devastator: There may be a boot-to-cd floppy image somewhere, check the install guide. |
| 15:52.17 | r101011 | meaning should I create the raid (just mirroring) with the devices or with the partitions |
| 15:52.21 | ThisNicknameIsnt | Devastator, BIOS update could be one option |
| 15:52.27 | jhutchins_lt | Devastator: Also, check for a BIOS update. |
| 15:52.50 | Devastator | ThisNicknameIsnt for an old socket 7? I highly doubt that.. |
| 15:53.06 | jhutchins_lt | Devastator: If you can find an IDE USB hard disk, you can use that on a laptop to create the installation. |
| 15:53.21 | themill | bbooqq: sorry... no idea. Most OSs ship entirely binary packages for updates rather than trying to do binary-updates. Some backport patches to the currently released version, some don't and expect you to just upgrade to the newest. |
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| 15:53.57 | jhutchins_lt | bbooqq: One can patch binaries directly as well. |
| 15:54.06 | jhutchins_lt | bbooqq: It's a bit trickier, but possible. |
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| 15:56.23 | jhutchins_lt | Devastator: Hm, nothing about floppy-to-CD boot in the install guide, sorry. |
| 15:56.37 | jhutchins_lt | Devastator: How much ram does this system have anyway? |
| 15:57.24 | Devastator | 32mb |
| 15:58.28 | Devastator | oh well.. seems impossible |
| 15:58.43 | uofm426 | anyone give me a idea of a good am2 and am3 motherboard that can take the amd low power x2 |
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| 15:59.22 | Devastator | this is probably not the right place to ask this |
| 15:59.28 | Devastator | try #hardware |
| 15:59.32 | bbooqq | themill, jhutchins_lt: My question was, IBM's patch-set is managed like Debian's package, or they build a patch-set including only changed, fixed, or affected files only. |
| 15:59.49 | jhutchins_lt | Devastator: There are some distributions that are dedicated to old hardware. There are puppy linux and DSL, and there used to be something like "vintagelinux" which seems defunct now. |
| 16:00.08 | uofm426 | no said by invite only on xchat |
| 16:00.36 | Devastator | jhutchins good idea, from there I can go to debian, probably |
| 16:00.47 | jhutchins_lt | uofm426: /j hardware - it's not restricted - at least for a registered nick. |
| 16:01.05 | jhutchins_lt | uofm426: Just because you can't get an answer elsewhere doesn't mean #debian is the right place to ask. |
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| 16:02.46 | uofm426 | it dont mean someone in here dont know |
| 16:03.00 | jhutchins_lt | Devastator: http://www.linux.com/archive/feed/52134 |
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| 16:03.15 | jhutchins_lt | uofm426: This channel is for Debian support. |
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| 16:04.07 | bbooqq | themill, jhutchins_lt: Appriciate, It was very helpful to talk. I'll check IBM's manual or documentation for IBM. |
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| 16:04.25 | uofm426 | is there a general pc unbiased channel |
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| 16:05.22 | stew | uofm426: ##hardware |
| 16:05.57 | uofm426 | i have debian question im running lenny why is pidgin no longer have yahoo |
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| 16:06.43 | jhutchins_lt | uofm426: Yahoo mucks about with their protocols. Try the version from backports. |
| 16:07.01 | stew | uofm426: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 16:08.12 | lex | Say dudes, does debian use pam_limits by default? |
| 16:09.25 | bzrk | lex: yes |
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| 16:09.49 | bint | i want a sepc. user to be in a group but so far i didn't define any groups |
| 16:10.12 | bint | do i have first to create a group with root or can i somehow just join a non-existing group and it will create this group? |
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| 16:11.47 | lex | bzrk: would you say violations to limits set by pam_limits configuration are always logged? |
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| 16:13.03 | lex | bzrk: Cause ive a problem. Ive a java server on top of a box that im assuming is NOT hitting pam_limits but however does lock up under high load. I dont want to increase pam_limits because i find no evidence (eg logs) that limits have been reached. |
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| 16:21.11 | diegows | is there a way to reinstall a package with the default configuration ? |
| 16:21.49 | zach23 | how come dpkg (on irc) tells me that lenny.sources should be "deb http://ftp/.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" - what about contrib and non-free? can I just append these on? "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 16:21.50 | fxiny | !confmiss |
| 16:21.50 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 16:21.59 | diegows | i know that I can do a "remove --purge; install" |
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| 16:22.12 | diegows | but may be there is a quick way |
| 16:22.58 | abrotman | zach23: what else would you want them to be ? |
| 16:23.11 | abrotman | zach23: oh, yes .. you can append contrib/non-free |
| 16:23.25 | zach23 | abrotman: ahh okay..just odd it's skipped from lenny.sources but in there when you ask for etch.sources |
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| 16:23.35 | zach23 | abrotman: I also have volatile.debian.org ? |
| 16:23.36 | abrotman | zach23: well, technically, non-free is not part of Debian |
| 16:23.41 | abrotman | zach23: volatile is good too |
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| 16:24.13 | jhutchins_lt | lex: Do you have sysstat installed? |
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| 16:24.37 | jhutchins_lt | bint: No, you must create the group as root first, then add the user to it. |
| 16:24.55 | zach23 | abrotman: what is volatile for? I hardly see this ever mentioned |
| 16:25.22 | abrotman | !volatile |
| 16:25.22 | dpkg | Debian Volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. http://www.debian.org/volatile/ An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. |
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| 16:26.33 | dos000 | i have a server that needs to use ssl. now i *know* that the FQDN part of the url has to match the CN field of the ssl certificate .. except i cant point to an authoritative doc that clearly states this. |
| 16:27.01 | zach23 | abrotman: thanks...makes sense...so this does not affect most packages |
| 16:27.07 | dos000 | someon is arguing against me on this basic thing |
| 16:28.04 | jhutchins_lt | dos000: http://www.knucklebusterinc.com/features/2010/07/15/1930-art-deco-henderson/ |
| 16:28.08 | jhutchins_lt | Ergh. Not that. |
| 16:28.20 | jhutchins_lt | dos000: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Frfc%2Frfc2246.txt&ei=_2eGTLOKE4GglAfR7aDeCA&usg=AFQjCNGR7dFOHOe9MwRVAz6eJDFanv226A |
| 16:28.32 | jhutchins_lt | Sigh. So clumsy this morning. |
| 16:29.09 | jhutchins_lt | dos000: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5246 |
| 16:29.21 | jhutchins_lt | dos000: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2246.txt |
| 16:29.38 | jhutchins_lt | dos000: http://www.webstart.com/jed/papers/HRM/references/ssl.html |
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| 16:30.03 | jhutchins_lt | dos000: finally http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security |
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| 16:30.22 | jhutchins_lt | Sorry for the scroll. |
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| 16:31.57 | dos000 | jhujhiti, it does not cover the CN stuff .. this one does http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2818 |
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| 16:32.10 | dos000 | jhujhiti, but it just says hotsname ! |
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| 16:33.06 | jhutchins_lt | dos000: Look at the handshake mechanism. |
| 16:33.14 | keith4 | there is a new kernel package in lenny... that's *not* a security update? |
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| 16:34.43 | stew | keith4: what version? 2.6.26-24lenny1? or is there a newer on? |
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| 16:35.26 | jhutchins_lt | keith4: Check the changelog. |
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| 16:35.52 | keith4 | stew: 2.6.26-25 |
| 16:35.55 | abrotman | keith4: /topic |
| 16:36.08 | fxiny | stew: 25 , point release |
| 16:36.08 | stew | yeah, hmm, don't know why it doesn't appear in http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6.html |
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| 16:36.25 | keith4 | abrotman: oh, just part of the 5.0.6 release? |
| 16:36.25 | fxiny | linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25 Debian:5.0.6/stable) |
| 16:36.29 | abrotman | yes |
| 16:36.33 | keith4 | got it. thanks |
| 16:36.49 | fxiny | 2 days old |
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| 16:37.45 | stew | keith4: but it is a security update |
| 16:37.48 | stew | keith4: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.26-25/changelog |
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| 16:38.34 | keith4 | stew: er, i meant that it came from normal mirrors, not security.debian.org |
| 16:38.47 | r101011 | exit |
| 16:38.48 | fxiny | exactly |
| 16:38.57 | keith4 | (which is how the nagios check_apt decides what is/isn't a "critical" update, apparently) |
| 16:39.27 | stew | hmm. perhaps it would be better if it used upload urgency |
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| 16:40.23 | dos000 | jhutchins_lt, sorry man .. it does not look like they cover matching the CN in both RFCs .. maybe i am blind |
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| 16:41.06 | jhutchins_lt | dos000: Well, you can set up some tests, or just go to one of the many sites that do it wrong and grab a screenshot of the error message. |
| 16:41.10 | macondo | hi, what is the command to get the 'boot log' ? thanks... |
| 16:41.24 | jhutchins_lt | dos000: cert debian.org will not match www.debian.org for instance (can be done, tricky). |
| 16:41.31 | jhutchins_lt | macondo: dmesg |
| 16:41.42 | macondo | thank you! |
| 16:41.43 | jhutchins_lt | macondo: Recommend using tail or less with it. |
| 16:41.56 | macondo | ok |
| 16:42.57 | hesco | I tried mkfs -t Reiserfs /dev/lvg/lvname, but was told "mkfs.Reiserfs: No such file or directory". I have reiserfsprogs installed. What am I missing please? |
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| 16:43.36 | hesco | never mind, I tried it without the CAP R and it seems to work much better |
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| 16:45.29 | swerve | what do I need to get 'startx' command in debian? it says x11-common is installed, and there's no x11-server package |
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| 16:46.35 | stew | swerve: we recommend installing the xorg package which pulls in many needed dependencies |
| 16:47.22 | swerve | hmm, i installed a window manager, why didn't it install xorg? |
| 16:47.34 | swerve | the wm seems to require it |
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| 16:48.23 | stew | swerve: no, because the window manager can run on an X server on another machine, it doesn't require one on the local machine |
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| 16:49.11 | swerve | oh, ok |
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| 16:49.56 | Ward| | hramrach, ping? |
| 16:50.18 | Ward| | chroot rootfs |
| 16:50.19 | Ward| | FATAL: kernel too old |
| 16:50.30 | Ward| | so how do i debootstrap an old rootfs? lol |
| 16:50.40 | Ward| | (since i cannot update the kernel on this device) |
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| 16:51.32 | Ward| | its so silent here i can here myself echo :p |
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| 16:55.23 | kuene | hello. I use lenny with 2.6.26-2-amd64 it hangs on boot. It is caused by the module i5000_edac. I can blacklist the module and insert it after boot and the system freezes. This suggest that I have some kind of hardware error. but what kind. (debian lenny rescue live cd has the same error. but a suse live cd boots just fine...) the server is a supermicro that has been running for 3 years untill the kernel upgrade last week. the only kernel that seems to work now |
| 16:55.23 | kuene | is: 2.6.18-openvz-18-51.3d2-amd64 any ideas? |
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| 16:57.35 | jordanm | ,file i5000_edac |
| 16:57.39 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
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| 16:57.56 | jordanm | kuene: is that a 3rd party module? |
| 16:58.00 | jordanm | ,file i5000_edac.ko |
| 16:58.02 | judd | i5000_edac.ko in lenny/i386: linux-image-2.6.26-2-486: lib/modules/2.6.26-2-486/kernel/drivers/edac/i5000_edac.ko; linux-image-2.6.26-2-686: lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/drivers/edac/i5000_edac.ko; linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64: lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/kernel/drivers/edac/i5000_edac.ko; linux-image-2.6.26-2-openvz-686: lib/modules/2.6.26-2-openvz-686/kernel/drivers/edac/i5000_edac.ko; |
| 16:58.04 | judd | linux-image-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem: lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686-bigmem/kernel/drivers/edac/i5000_edac.ko; linux-image-2.6.26-2-vserver-686-bigmem: lib/modules/2.6.26-2-vserver-686-bigmem/kernel/drivers/edac/i5000_edac.ko; linux-image-2.6.26-2-vserver-686: lib/modules/2.6.26-2-vserver-686/kernel/drivers/edac/i5000_edac.ko; linux-modules-2.6.26-2-xen-686: (1 more message) |
| 16:58.07 | kuene | i5000_edac is a kernel module |
| 16:58.20 | WickedWayz | hello i m new on Debian and i have a problem with Gnome |
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| 16:58.29 | WickedWayz | error ss is here ; http://ow.ly/2ADen |
| 16:58.53 | jordanm | kuene: will it boot with the older revision of the kernel? |
| 16:58.58 | kuene | i5000_edac shoud do some kind of hardware error handling and reporting |
| 16:58.58 | oblu | kuene: whats on the console when it hangs? |
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| 16:59.23 | stew | please ignore WickedWayz, and don't visit that site |
| 16:59.38 | kuene | jordanm, no. i installed the same kernel that I had before the upgrade (from apt-cache) it does not work. |
| 16:59.39 | jordanm | kuene: according to the headers in the code, its a memory controller driver |
| 16:59.56 | jordanm | kuene: then perhaps you have a failing memory module |
| 17:00.00 | kuene | I made a memcheck last night without results |
| 17:01.37 | kuene | oblu, when loading edac_core:[ 617.929928] EDAC MC: Ver: 2.1.0 Aug 31 2010 when loading i500_edac there is nothing... |
| 17:02.11 | zach23 | when upgrading etch -> lenny, I am getting this error on aptitude safe-upgrade on certain packages: perl error while loading shared libraries: libssp.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:02.19 | kuene | jordanm, hm perhaps but why should it hang?? |
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| 17:03.26 | kuene | any idea on how the get the reports from edac? what doe it do? |
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| 17:04.03 | jordanm | kuene: http://tomoyo.sourceforge.jp/cgi-bin/lxr/source/drivers/edac/i5000_edac.c |
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| 17:04.46 | kuene | jordanm, thnx |
| 17:05.02 | jordanm | kuene: its not actually displaying a kernel panic? do you have "quiet" on your boot options? |
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| 17:05.50 | kuene | jordanm, I have it in the blacklist and make modprobe. the server just hangs without panic |
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| 17:06.12 | jordanm | kuene: I meant when booting without it blacklisted |
| 17:06.15 | kuene | after modprobe i5000_edac nothing goes... |
| 17:06.50 | kuene | jordanm, no it just hangs. thats why i cost me one full day to figure out what it was |
| 17:06.54 | fxiny | zach23: while upgrading etch2lenny aptitude removed libssp0 |
| 17:07.31 | zach23 | fxiny: my system wont crash on a reboot will it? is this harmless? it's when upgrading ghostscript |
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| 17:08.00 | kuene | jordanm, according to your link i5000_edac does also some pci error handling not only ram... |
| 17:08.40 | fxiny | zach23: i'm checking my notes : aptitude removed that one and libsasl2 libperl5.8 and 3 more |
| 17:09.24 | fxiny | zach23: have you already done aptitude full-upgrade ? |
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| 17:09.54 | kuene | thats really the problem. I do not know how I can get edac or i5000_edac to speak to me. |
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| 17:10.28 | stew | neoark: please see WickedWayz above, thanks |
| 17:10.51 | kuene | I think I have a hardware error. but I do not know what component. and if I blacklist edac the server seems to rung just fine... |
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| 17:11.22 | fxiny | zach23: ghostscript ? -> Leave the following dependencies unresolved: -> ghostscript recommends psfontmgr . that's all i have |
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| 17:12.17 | guest__ | !stable |
| 17:12.17 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Lenny (5.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
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| 17:15.43 | visof | hello |
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| 17:16.22 | visof | there was a command that i was using to know mu global ip, curl http://www.whatismyip.com , but that give me the html , i need the text |
| 17:16.32 | visof | which arg should i use ? |
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| 17:17.07 | zach23 | fxiny: I have done aptitude full-upgrade - that's when the problem occurs |
| 17:17.14 | Ward| | is my target is uclibc-mips, what should i debootstrap to get a good rootfs? |
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| 17:17.16 | Wizard | hi |
| 17:17.17 | Ward| | i also have an old kernel |
| 17:17.27 | Ward| | (2.6 though) |
| 17:17.49 | zach23 | fxiny: I just hope my system comes up on reboot? |
| 17:18.09 | zach23 | fxiny: also there was no notice to reboot the system due to a kernel upgrade? |
| 17:18.13 | Wizard | is there any way to check history of package update? |
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| 17:18.27 | abrotman | Wizard: such as the changelog? |
| 17:18.33 | stew | Wizard: what do you mean, exactly? the history on your machine? history in debian? |
| 17:18.43 | Wizard | on my machine |
| 17:18.56 | stew | Wizard: check /var/log/dpkg.log and myabe /var/log/aptitude |
| 17:18.58 | abrotman | /var/log/dpkg.log or /var/log/aptitude |
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| 17:19.09 | Wizard | i don't use aptitude at all |
| 17:19.13 | Wizard | thanks |
| 17:19.14 | fxiny | zach23: are you still with the 2.6.18-6 ? |
| 17:19.15 | guest__ | visof don't know if this will help or not... http://pastebin.com/ynKr3A0p |
| 17:19.23 | zach23 | fxiny: yes |
| 17:19.25 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 17:19.27 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.3); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-21); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-21); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-20~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-25); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 17:19.33 | Wizard | i updated sid yeterday and wifi stoped working :P |
| 17:19.58 | Bushmills | !sid |
| 17:19.58 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
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| 17:20.24 | fxiny | zach23: maybe that's why , you should boot lenny kernel |
| 17:20.32 | zach23 | yes doing that now |
| 17:20.35 | unkmar | I shot myself in the 3 minutes ago. Now I'm complaining. |
| 17:20.46 | mrsprinkles | I added * hard nofile 2048 in /etc/security/limits.conf but ulimit -n still shows as 1024 for my users. Do i need to reboot for the changes to take hold? |
| 17:20.49 | jelly-home | unkmar: you shot time? |
| 17:20.57 | jelly-home | impressive. |
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| 17:21.06 | AimHere | You should have shot your own 20 minutes in the future |
| 17:21.16 | fxiny | zach23: old aptitude install new aptitude , new kernel . boot it , finish upgrading |
| 17:21.17 | AimHere | It would have hurt less |
| 17:21.21 | Wizard | Bushmills: thanks for cool advice ;) |
| 17:21.30 | unkmar | just woke up, haven't had my C0FFEE |
| 17:22.10 | jelly-home | mrsprinkles: softlimit wasn't changed, was it? |
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| 17:22.30 | jelly-home | mrsprinkles: the users need to re-logib |
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| 17:22.36 | jelly-home | re-login, even |
| 17:22.45 | guest__ | AimHere perhaps if he had shot his 2 years ago... it would have stopped hurting before it happened ??? |
| 17:22.52 | stew | Wizard: does your wifi require firmware? |
| 17:22.58 | zach23 | fxiny: ahh there was a custom built version of perl on this...sigh.. that's what is looking for libssp.so.0: |
| 17:23.11 | mrsprinkles | jelly-home: yeah if I do ulimit -H -n it still says 1024 too. leme change both hard and soft and relogin |
| 17:23.11 | ireas | how can I check if a certain WLAN driver is supported in the current Linux kernel? |
| 17:23.11 | Wizard | stew: yeah, it does |
| 17:23.12 | hesco | I just rsync'd my home partition onto a new logical volume. I'd now like to `cd /; mv home home_old; mv new_home home` and hope I don't lose the ability to operate on my machine. Is this something I need to go into single user mode to accomplish? |
| 17:23.18 | Wizard | it's airportextream |
| 17:23.24 | fxiny | zach23: good news :) |
| 17:23.40 | zach23 | fxiny: so I'll have to see what's up with it and rebuild it? |
| 17:23.42 | jelly-home | mrsprinkles: that's a config file for the pam_limits module. This implies services apply the settings only if they use PAM, and futhermore, only if pam_limits is enabled in their pam config |
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| 17:24.30 | fxiny | zach23: i'm curious : what's new in this perl version ? |
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| 17:24.42 | jelly-home | hesco: you'll have to get rid of all the processes accessing old /home to be able to unmount old and new and mount the new one in place. |
| 17:25.09 | hesco | jelly-home: thanks, I assume that is the lsof list? |
| 17:25.14 | Bushmills | hesco: usually works, just log out any non-root users before. but - if new home is on a new volume, you can mount it into an (empty) new (home |
| 17:25.17 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.17 | jelly-home | hesco: right |
| 17:25.28 | fxiny | zach23: perl6 alike ? |
| 17:26.22 | stew | Wizard: did you upgrade kernels and the new kernel needs newer firmware? |
| 17:26.26 | mrsprinkles | jelly-home: i'm using it for a process, not a service though. so is there a way to make it work globally? or do I ned to also configure pam somehow? |
| 17:26.49 | zach23 | fxiny: it's 5.10.1 - something the dev team needed that wasnt in etch |
| 17:26.59 | Wizard | stew: i don't know, that's why i asked about upgrade logs |
| 17:27.01 | hesco | only 279 lsof connections. Guess that answers my question. Need to log out and do this on a fresh install. |
| 17:27.20 | hesco | though suppose I can rewrite my fstab first, before the shutdown. |
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| 17:28.29 | jelly-home | hesco: disabling login and/or temporarily killing the services accessing /home, then killing current processes, can be an option |
| 17:28.41 | fxiny | , perl version |
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| 17:28.43 | fxiny | hmmm |
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| 17:29.00 | jelly-home | fxiny: what are you trying ask judd about? |
| 17:29.08 | phorce1 | , versions perl |
| 17:29.09 | judd | perl -- etch: 5.8.8-7etch6; etch-security: 5.8.8-7etch6; lenny: 5.10.0-19lenny2; sid: 5.10.1-14; squeeze: 5.10.1-14; experimental: 5.12.2~rc1-1 |
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| 17:29.45 | fxiny | jelly-home: i think zach23 wnats to know debian perl versions |
| 17:29.51 | fxiny | wants* |
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| 17:30.13 | jelly-home | fxiny: zach23 already solved his issue a far as I can tell? |
| 17:30.36 | fxiny | jelly-home: no , he said he wants to rebuild a custom perl version |
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| 17:30.54 | fxiny | jelly-home: zach23> fxiny: it's 5.10.1 - something the dev team needed that wasnt in etch |
| 17:30.58 | zach23 | .I rebooted the system and things seem to be okay though I rebooted after aptitude full-upgrade and not after the kernel upgrade that occurred prior - is that okay? |
| 17:31.29 | Wizard | wtf is unattended-upgrades? |
| 17:31.30 | Wizard | o_O |
| 17:31.36 | fxiny | zach23: which perl version you need ? |
| 17:31.36 | jelly-home | zach23: yes, as long as you rebooted after the kernel upgrade |
| 17:31.59 | guest__ | Wizard a windows hack that found it's way into linux ? |
| 17:32.04 | jelly-home | zach23: and booted the current kernel as opposed to the old one, naturallyt |
| 17:32.17 | zach23 | yes all is fine... |
| 17:32.22 | zach23 | fxiny: perl 5.10.1 |
| 17:32.24 | jelly-home | fxiny: see! |
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| 17:32.54 | fxiny | jelly-home: isn't that squeeze version ? |
| 17:32.56 | jelly-home | oh. |
| 17:32.58 | zach23 | I'm just rebuilding it from scrarth to make all happy |
| 17:32.59 | fxiny | he's on lenny |
| 17:33.14 | jelly-home | might as well go 5.12.x |
| 17:33.27 | fxiny | zach23: wait a minute : debian has all perl version you want , tell jelly |
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| 17:33.30 | djszapi | Get:1 https://files.maemo.org 1.0/ scratchbox-core 1.0.20 [51.7MB] |
| 17:33.31 | zach23 | squeeze isnt ready for production is it? |
| 17:33.33 | djszapi | Err https://files.maemo.org 1.0/ scratchbox-core 1.0.20 Operation timed out after 120000 milliseconds with 30556160 out of 51697630 bytes received |
| 17:33.45 | djszapi | How can I set a bigger timeout ? My network connect is too slow ... |
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| 17:34.07 | jelly-home | zach23: likely not. build and use your perl in a separate prefix (eg. /opt/perl) and use that |
| 17:34.39 | jelly-home | zach23: do _not_ try overwriting the distro perl, that way lies madness |
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| 17:35.17 | guest__ | removed perl from his system |
| 17:35.21 | guest__ | one time... |
| 17:35.40 | jelly-home | not an easy task on debian |
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| 17:36.06 | guest__ | no it's not. and i concure madness awates the trifeling few |
| 17:36.07 | fxiny | lights a candle on his little Larry Wall altar |
| 17:36.30 | Bushmills | zach23: squeeze is testing. when it's ready for production, it will be stable |
| 17:36.36 | djszapi | any idea for the timeout setting ? |
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| 17:37.08 | zach23 | no i'm not removing it - it's on /usr/local/ |
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| 17:37.40 | demoneye | How do I uninstall samba server? I have installed samba when I first booted debian onto my pc, would like to know how do I get rid of it |
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| 17:38.20 | Wizard | guest__: very helpful information |
| 17:38.41 | guest__ | sorry. |
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| 17:39.01 | jelly-home | djszapi: man apt.conf, hunt for http option in the Acquire group. |
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| 17:39.07 | guest__ | Wizard the name is self explanatory though. |
| 17:39.21 | djszapi | jelly-home: I do not care |
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| 17:39.25 | jhutchins_lt | demoneye: aptitude purge samba |
| 17:39.30 | djszapi | I download with wget and push into the cache dir |
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| 17:40.36 | jelly-home | djszapi: you're welcome. Might want to inform the channel you've solver your issue, next time. |
| 17:40.39 | guest__ | djszapi your work around is fine, for a one shot. the cure is better though |
| 17:40.50 | demoneye | another question, I have this samba server grub stuff going on when I start-up my pc, how do I get rid of it? or it will be removed when I purge samba? |
| 17:40.59 | peterrooney | is there a way to automatically generate a config for make-kpkg that disables any hardware I don't have? |
| 17:40.59 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 17:41.32 | djszapi | man apt.conf does not work ... |
| 17:41.40 | djszapi | I am in chroot environment ... |
| 17:41.42 | djszapi | that is why wget way is better. |
| 17:41.48 | jelly-home | djszapi: are you sure you're running Debian? |
| 17:42.00 | djszapi | in chroot yes ... |
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| 17:42.18 | peterrooney | demoneye: jhutchins_lt already answered that question |
| 17:42.37 | jordanm | peterrooney: I think that is called "using an initrd" |
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| 17:42.54 | demoneye | ok, thank you. |
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| 17:44.32 | jhutchins_lt | demoneye: Yes, it will be removed. You can also just turn it off with something like rcconf, but removing it will remove the startup. |
| 17:44.53 | guest__ | is aptitude still "considered" better than apt (channel specific) |
| 17:44.59 | guest__ | ? |
| 17:45.37 | jelly-home | peterrooney: I don't have an answer; however, while theoretically a nice idea, it makes any hardware updates hard |
| 17:46.13 | djszapi | which is the temporary download location of apt-get ? |
| 17:46.29 | guest__ | /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 17:46.51 | jhutchins_lt | !tell guest__ about why aptitude |
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| 17:46.59 | jhutchins_lt | !tell guest__ about why not aptitude |
| 17:47.07 | djszapi | nop. .. |
| 17:47.12 | djszapi | guest__ nothing is there |
| 17:47.27 | jelly-home | peterrooney: also consider your hardware may present itself dynamically -- on this thinkpad, the bluetooth device only appears (in lsusb) when the radio switch is on |
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| 17:47.45 | karlpinc | I've got a pgp public key file I made with gpg --export --armor foo > bar Is there a way to fingerprint the keys in bar without importing them into a keyring? |
| 17:47.50 | demoneye | sorry, but that did not work. I executed 'aptitude purge samba' via root. Restart'ed my pc, and I see samba starting (grub) |
| 17:47.55 | guest__ | djszapi chroot ? |
| 17:48.01 | fxiny | guest__: you don't get any answer ? hahah : ask about emacs and i'll tell you i'm using anything.el which does everything like aptitude |
| 17:48.10 | djszapi | guest__ ? |
| 17:48.26 | jelly-home | guest__: /msg dpkg chroot |
| 17:48.46 | guest__ | djszapi that's still the location of dl'd packages any package manager |
| 17:48.55 | jordanm | fxiny: anything.el? |
| 17:49.02 | fxiny | jordanm: yes :) |
| 17:49.04 | guest__ | jelly-home no thanks, already know about it/them |
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| 17:49.19 | fxiny | jordanm: and another handy one is linkd.el |
| 17:49.25 | jhutchins_lt | demoneye: dpkg -l samba* && aptitude purge whatever packages are listed. Pay attention to what aptitude says it's doing. |
| 17:49.34 | jordanm | fxiny: neither appear to be in debian |
| 17:49.44 | guest__ | djszapi and if you want to know the location of "partial" dl's it's the same plus */partial/ |
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| 17:50.18 | fxiny | jordanm: and ? i was using tripwire long before it was packaged |
| 17:50.32 | djszapi | partial ? |
| 17:50.44 | guest__ | djszapi ;/ |
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| 17:51.29 | karlpinc | My guess is no. I just made a temporary (I hope) keyring and will discard it. |
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| 17:51.52 | demoneye | samba and samba-common - none - no description available |
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| 17:53.04 | fxiny | jordanm: is huge wc -l -> 5966 |
| 17:53.08 | karlpinc | But there does not seem to be an easy way to list all the default keyrings. :-P |
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| 17:55.26 | demoneye | sorry to bother, that didn't work either. I restarted it, and the samba server starts-up again |
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| 17:57.23 | Posterdati | hi |
| 17:57.27 | Posterdati | hi |
| 17:57.46 | Posterdati | please I've got this problem on squeeze, using apt-get: Hash Sum mismatch |
| 17:58.04 | demoneye | apt-get update |
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| 17:58.17 | demoneye | arghh, sorry wrong window |
| 17:58.46 | tholl583xx | hi whats the difference between the |
| 17:59.00 | tholl583xx | "squeeze main" and "sid main" repos? |
| 17:59.16 | fxiny | demoneye: samba ? /etc/init.d/smb stop && update-rc.d -f samba remove |
| 17:59.51 | fxiny | smb or samba , don't rermember , you try |
| 18:00.11 | Posterdati | ftp.de.debian.org works! |
| 18:00.30 | fxiny | i know it works , i use that repo |
| 18:00.47 | Posterdati | fxiny: I was talking about my problem! |
| 18:00.56 | tholl583xx | what is "sid"? |
| 18:01.10 | folken | dash = dumb ass shell, right? |
| 18:01.40 | zach23 | fxiny: another problem - NFS won't mount from an etch server - it was fine prior to lenny upgrade |
| 18:01.51 | stew | tholl583xx: squeeze is the currently frozen "testing" release of debian, which we hope to release as "stable" soon. "sid" is the "unstable" release meant for developers. its where (hopefully not but possibly untestesd) packages are first uploaded to debian |
| 18:01.55 | fxiny | Posterdati: kde4 is a mess ? i've checked it yesterday and on my box works much better then gnome |
| 18:02.05 | stew | tholl583xx: http://debian.org/releases |
| 18:02.08 | Posterdati | fxiny: ? |
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| 18:02.29 | fxiny | Posterdati: yes , i've purged gnome before |
| 18:02.38 | demoneye | fxiny: I can't seem to execute those commands provided: "bash: samba: command not found" |
| 18:02.52 | fxiny | Posterdati: but i am an xmonad user , i'm just checking |
| 18:03.08 | Posterdati | fxiny: what do you want from me? |
| 18:03.21 | Posterdati | fxiny: I didn't say anything about kde4 |
| 18:03.34 | demoneye | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.34 | dpkg | ii samba* reads: 1.3-15.2 demoneye's private stamp collection |
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| 18:03.40 | demoneye | pn samba <none> (no description available) |
| 18:03.40 | demoneye | pn samba-common <none> (no description available) |
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| 18:06.57 | fxiny | demoneye: what exactly is your problem ? |
| 18:07.26 | Techtronic | hello, how can i fix this http://pastebin.com/6T0WbzZ1 ? |
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| 18:08.46 | demoneye | I want to remove samba from my computer (debian 5). I have instaled samba the first time I fired-up Debian, now I want it removed since I'm no more using it |
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| 18:11.00 | fxiny | demoneye: what aptitude -s purge samba does ? |
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| 18:12.20 | fxiny | demoneye: you can remove samba with aptitude or just keep it installed but not running at reboot : /etc/init.d/samba stop && update-rc.d -f samba remove |
| 18:12.51 | jelly-home | fxiny: that would reinstall the init script links upon next upgrade of the package |
| 18:13.14 | fxiny | jelly-home: yes |
| 18:13.24 | guest__ | Techtronic apt-cache search 'gobject-introspection' <<<< does that turn up anything ? |
| 18:13.35 | stew | and didn't he already say that samba was purged? |
| 18:13.49 | fxiny | he said samba restart at reboot |
| 18:13.51 | jelly-home | fxiny: it's better to tell the user to just remove the relevant link for runlevel 2 |
| 18:14.14 | fxiny | ok |
| 18:14.45 | jelly-home | fxiny: if you remove them all, next time the package is upgraded they all get back and the service gets started on reboot |
| 18:14.47 | demoneye | nope, none of it are working |
| 18:15.08 | stew | and the package which is currently purged won't get upgraded |
| 18:15.16 | fxiny | jelly-home: i know that , i have samba sleeping here |
| 18:15.30 | guest__ | perhaps someone needs to find out what demoneye is really trying to accomplish.... |
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| 18:16.03 | demoneye | to remove samba from my pc (not using it anymore) |
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| 18:16.46 | peterrooney | demoneye: if "aptitude remove samba-common samba-client samba" does not work, take a look in /etc/init.d/ for samba |
| 18:16.52 | stew | demoneye: it was already removed |
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| 18:17.16 | stew | demoneye: unless you installed it from source or by some other means other than with apt-get/aptitude/dpkg/synaptic/whatever |
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| 18:17.23 | fxiny | i asked demone eye what aptitude -s purge samba does "-s" |
| 18:17.37 | jelly-home | demoneye: -s option for aptitude makes it merely say what it would do. If you're satisfied with the output of "aptitude -s purge samba" command, you can remove the -s option to make it actually DO something |
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| 18:17.59 | stew | or just run "aptitude install" it should do the same as "aptitude purge samba" |
| 18:18.14 | guest__ | demoneye maybe you want something like this... but use with care>>> COLUMNS=300 dpkg -l | grep -i samba | cut -d' ' -f3 | while read q ;do aptitude purge $q ;done |
| 18:18.32 | stew | guest__: he already pasted the output of "dpkg -l samba\*" |
| 18:18.48 | guest__ | stew see command again |
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| 18:18.58 | jelly-home | stew: there's the issue of the stamp collection, though |
| 18:19.06 | stew | guest__: you want to purge packages which are already purged |
| 18:19.09 | demoneye | oh, I see |
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| 18:21.20 | stew | guest__: (and btw, your command is much simpler as "aptitude purge '~nsamba'") |
| 18:22.01 | guest__ | stew command will pull in things that only spell samba in the short description too |
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| 18:22.19 | guest__ | anyway.... i'll go now. |
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| 18:23.10 | fishcooker | what means modem 153kbps?! How the speed on Kb?... ANY POointer will be appreciated |
| 18:24.03 | krisfremen | fishcooker: well, the modem can handle 153kbps perhaps?? |
| 18:24.29 | krisfremen | just divide the kbps by 8 and you'll get that in kilobytes |
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| 18:24.58 | kuene | jordanm, it was a broken ram that caused the system to freeze if i5000_edac is loaded. i will file a bug report tomorrow. |
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| 18:25.54 | newbie | hi guys |
| 18:26.00 | newbie | anyone know why im getting this error |
| 18:26.01 | newbie | Reloading web server config: apache2apache2: apr_sockaddr_info_get() failed for SVD-BLUE |
| 18:26.01 | newbie | apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
| 18:26.01 | newbie | . |
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| 18:26.06 | fishcooker | krisfremen: how about the speed in KB |
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| 18:29.22 | krisfremen | fishcooker: i told you, divide by 8 |
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| 18:31.51 | newbie | Hi |
| 18:31.57 | newbie | apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
| 18:32.10 | newbie | any idea why im getting that whenever i want to restart Apache? |
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| 18:33.20 | do0ob | Why, why would you do that, please, just why |
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| 18:33.25 | jaynee | NO HOMELAND WITHOUT YOU FUHRER LOREZ! ALL HAIL THE AUTISTIC LORD OF FREENODE!! astrocub courpse drinkycrow abysed CompWizrd ernst_ s1kx mnuhmnuh ScottG489 simonrvn Farmer__ Dewi bzrk pl4yer0ne redpepper rudi_s fipu erage mete intgr CaT[t2] chpln Piratero Phil wohnout pobega antivigilante XLV Ex-Opesa vader-- Devastator unomi nhandler mastro Posterdati Raptors peterrooney khem_ bhah sw0e lepine hjb swerve obcecado Neo|Desktop ems Oxy-D not-me HermanDE alli |
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| 18:33.43 | jthomas_sb | !ops |
| 18:33.44 | dpkg | ops is, like, Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 18:33.44 | do0ob | thinks IRC needs filtering before the text is posted |
| 18:33.55 | jordanm | do0ob: its not entirely uncommon. some people dislike freenode staff for w/e reason |
| 18:33.59 | ThisNicknameIsnt | good call |
| 18:34.01 | jthomas_sb | dpkg: ops spammer |
| 18:34.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jthomas_sb complains about: spammer |
| 18:34.02 | fxiny | jordanm : emacs anything.el -> M-x anything-apt -> APT search -> <mutt> . now down comes the list -> pattern and now it does COMPLETION :) |
| 18:34.22 | LoRez | jthomas_sb: thanks, the bots have it handled |
| 18:34.28 | jthomas_sb | thanks |
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| 18:35.11 | newbie | can someone help me please? |
| 18:35.14 | Spec | LoRez: So ... should we hail you now? |
| 18:35.22 | jordanm | newbie: ask your question again |
| 18:35.29 | LoRez | if you feel it necessary to do so. |
| 18:35.36 | ThisNicknameIsnt | fucking spammers |
| 18:35.37 | newbie | apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
| 18:35.47 | newbie | any idea why im getting that? |
| 18:35.58 | fxiny | newbie: FQDN missing |
| 18:35.58 | Spec | It's cause apache couldn't determine the FQDN :( |
| 18:36.17 | jordanm | newbie: likely your FQDN is missing for /etc/hosts |
| 18:36.21 | jordanm | from |
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| 18:37.31 | twantakur | helo |
| 18:37.31 | fxiny | so this any-thing works pretty well , has a very fast completion but i want aptitude |
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| 18:38.14 | fxiny | but the idea of a completion in aptitude is not that bad , obviously emacs has a bufeer for it |
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| 18:38.38 | pipegeek | .... uh huh. |
| 18:38.41 | fantasticulous | i wonder how they're doing that, getting access to all those hosts to spam from |
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| 18:38.46 | jordanm | fxiny: my google search for awesome.el is not finding it? |
| 18:38.53 | cga__ | dam idiots |
| 18:39.03 | fantasticulous | i guess they gathered some buddies and set up the atack |
| 18:39.04 | jordanm | fantasticulous: proxies, owned windows pcs, tor, and more |
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| 18:39.16 | fantasticulous | hm tor uses libevent -> libevent is cool |
| 18:39.18 | cga__ | meant that dflkw15 |
| 18:39.18 | stew | let's please keep things on topic instead of glorifying them with our attention |
| 18:39.19 | fxiny | jordanm: awesome ? anything.el |
| 18:39.21 | pipegeek | proxies and windows and tor? Oh my |
| 18:39.31 | jordanm | fxiny: oops |
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| 18:39.41 | fantasticulous | but also, can't you make the channel registered users only? |
| 18:39.50 | jgeboski | damn spammer keeps pinging me |
| 18:39.59 | fxiny | jordanm: and the other one for links/anchor is very good -> linkd.el |
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| 18:40.14 | jordanm | fxiny: and I just do M-x load-file <foo>? |
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| 18:40.31 | magglass1 | ifconfig is showing 0 bytes TX; anyone know what might cause that even though data is being transmitted? RX shows around 3.6GB |
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| 18:40.36 | fxiny | jordanm: same as for any el , i put it in ~/.elisp |
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| 18:40.38 | FFForever | is there a copy of php5.3 in the repo's? |
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| 18:41.05 | stew | FFForever: yes, but not for stable |
| 18:41.11 | Kuifje111 | I accidently deleted my swap file and now I can't disable it using "swapoff -a". How do I disable it anyway? |
| 18:41.18 | FFForever | stew, how do I enable non stable packages? |
| 18:41.22 | fxiny | jordanm: (add-to-list 'load-path "~/.elisp/") (require 'anything-config) , you want two el |
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| 18:41.38 | Dassu | Btw, anybody noticed that frontend might hang in the background and cause hidden CPU usage? |
| 18:41.46 | stew | FFForever: you don't want to on a webserver, and you certainly don't want to mix packages from a released version with a non-released version |
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| 18:41.53 | jordanm | fxiny: I seem quite a few anything- commands, but no anything-apt |
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| 18:42.08 | FFForever | stew, I need 5.3 on a webserver... also 5.3 has been out for years |
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| 18:42.11 | niko_ | NO HOMELAND WITHOUT YOU FUHRER LOREZ! ALL HAIL THE AUTISTIC LORD OF FREENODE!! Shadur thechef NiLon Kaelten Schmidt levifig RoenieSrvr easyfit Gurty` JNSamuel miga nebukad__afk magnet Kuzavas llimeht terranova Muhammad verwilst Judas_PhD CAiRO_ CharminTheMoose Amorphous Batchy e-anima kermit Agiofws misnix me|kor Eryn_1983_FL ShapeShifter|AFK AbsintheSyringe rgr_ darthanubis NoNaMeNo {41444d494e}|w dinya_ {41444d494e} sostenuto jonmasters merkelis zerohero Br |
| 18:42.20 | e-anima | damn |
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| 18:42.28 | e-anima | wtf is the problem with them. |
| 18:42.28 | fxiny | jordanm: got the anything-config.el ? |
| 18:42.30 | pipegeek | wow |
| 18:42.35 | FFForever | Thanks idoru |
| 18:42.35 | Old_Spike0 | Who is this moron? |
| 18:42.41 | peppe | some idiot |
| 18:42.44 | e-anima | good question. |
| 18:42.44 | neurolysis | don't feed the trolls. |
| 18:42.46 | Posterdati | what the hell is this? |
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| 18:42.54 | *** mode/#debian [+r-o LoRez] by LoRez |
| 18:42.57 | e-anima | hrhr. do not feed, the bite! |
| 18:43.00 | bluethundr | it's a bot I'm sure |
| 18:43.01 | e-anima | they |
| 18:43.09 | neurolysis | bluethundr: it's GNAA |
| 18:43.13 | e-anima | just some retard having time maybe |
| 18:43.14 | cga | LoRez: this is happening in #debian only , can you use some flags? |
| 18:43.16 | Posterdati | kick it then |
| 18:43.22 | e-anima | jup |
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| 18:43.33 | sayanriju | cga, happens in #ubuntu too |
| 18:43.37 | LoRez | cga: 1) no, it's not, 2) already did it. |
| 18:43.46 | jordanm | fxiny: I just grabbed it... I can see its 7k lines. quite a config |
| 18:44.03 | stew | and 3), please try to stay on-toipc instead of contributing to the off-topic chatter |
| 18:44.03 | bluethundr | neurolysis: hahahahaa |
| 18:44.06 | cga | LoRez: okk cool. i should have probably said: i'm in some channels, the only one is see it happening is here. =) |
| 18:44.31 | tyche | Would somebody please ban that person. |
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| 18:45.22 | tyche | I'm tired of seeing that same manifesto all the time. |
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| 18:45.57 | fxiny | jordanm: hehehe wc -l anything.el -> 5966 :) anything-config.el anything.el , that's it : M-x anything-apt |
| 18:46.11 | magglass1 | ifconfig is showing 0 bytes TX; anyone know what might cause that even though data is being transmitted? RX shows around 3.6GB |
| 18:47.09 | newbie | guys, my situation is slightly difficult |
| 18:47.17 | Posterdati | my too |
| 18:47.21 | newbie | as my server is on XX.XX.XX.XX IP address |
| 18:47.35 | newbie | and i have a domain mydomain.com which is on its own DNS / Name server |
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| 18:47.51 | newbie | i want to create a subdomain.mydomain.com and point it to xx.xx.xx.xx |
| 18:48.06 | goldins | newbie: why is having a low number for all your IP octets difficult? |
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| 18:48.36 | goldins | newbie: read the bind manual ? |
| 18:48.50 | goldins | are you using something other than bind for DNS? |
| 18:49.04 | newbie | well i havenet even installed BIND |
| 18:49.11 | newbie | yet |
| 18:49.31 | goldins | newbie: whose DNS server are you using? |
| 18:50.15 | newbie | it's a VPS |
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| 18:50.19 | newbie | so its using linodes DNS |
| 18:50.22 | newbie | www.linode.com |
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| 18:50.37 | newbie | hence why im confused a to why i need BIND pretty sure i dont since im only installing Nagios |
| 18:51.01 | newbie | but i want to be able to access it externally, i should be able to do this already as Linode provides the DNS and my domain has valid ns |
| 18:51.32 | bzrk | newbie: can you ping the ip and the dns name? |
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| 18:51.50 | goldins | newbie: I thought when you said that your domain is on it's own DNS server you meant your own DNS server... |
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| 18:52.08 | goldins | but now I have no idea what your problem is |
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| 18:52.52 | newbie | my problem is why im getting that error... |
| 18:52.59 | newbie | even though i can access nagios externally |
| 18:53.03 | bzrk | which error? |
| 18:53.06 | newbie | i dont get why its requesting a FQDN |
| 18:53.13 | newbie | apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
| 18:53.13 | bzrk | let me get my crystal ball |
| 18:53.19 | bzrk | ah |
| 18:53.47 | stew | newbie: are you running NameVirtualHosts on this machine? |
| 18:53.47 | bzrk | newbie: does the ip resolve on the apache server itself? |
| 18:54.18 | newbie | stew no im not |
| 18:54.24 | newbie | bzrk how do i find that out? |
| 18:54.36 | solifugus | Is apache2's mod_rewrite built-in or do I need to separately install it? I don't see a mod_rewrite via apt-cache search mod_rewrite |
| 18:54.38 | bzrk | newbie: host your.host.com |
| 18:54.44 | bzrk | on the machine |
| 18:55.02 | stew | newbie: do you have more than one name resolving to the same ip address? |
| 18:55.12 | newbie | stew no i dont |
| 18:55.31 | newbie | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 18:55.31 | newbie | 173.230.132.93 status.savantdefence.com status |
| 18:55.34 | newbie | thats my host file... |
| 18:55.46 | jordanm | solifugus: ls /etc/mods_available |
| 18:55.57 | jordanm | !tell solifugus about apt-file |
| 18:56.00 | cusco | 173.230.132.93 status.savantdefence.com status |
| 18:56.05 | cusco | that's two names, one IP |
| 18:56.16 | bzrk | cusco: no thats fine |
| 18:56.19 | jordanm | thats not uncommon |
| 18:56.29 | newbie | cusco im pretty sure that's ok... |
| 18:56.38 | bzrk | newbie: i cant ping that host, i would say something is wring with your dns |
| 18:57.01 | solifugus | jordanm: there is no /etc/mods_available... I will man apt-file |
| 18:57.15 | bzrk | newbie: what does the command "host status.savantdefence.com" on the server return? |
| 18:57.19 | newbie | bzrk... try again |
| 18:57.29 | cusco | sorry I didn't read up... |
| 18:57.38 | newbie | -bash: host: command not found |
| 18:57.54 | cusco | newbie: so the problem is apache2 warning about a fqdn |
| 18:57.55 | stew | bzrk: you probably want "getent hosts status.savantdefence.com" intsead of "host status.savantdefence.com" |
| 18:57.59 | bzrk | newbie: apt-get install bind9-host |
| 18:58.00 | newbie | cusco yes |
| 18:58.24 | cusco | newbie: is /etc/hostname pingable? |
| 18:58.27 | newbie | li172-93:~# getent hosts status.savantdefence.com |
| 18:58.27 | newbie | 173.230.132.93 status.savantdefence.com status |
| 18:58.35 | newbie | bzrk.. i do not need bind installed... |
| 18:58.35 | newbie | lol |
| 18:58.40 | newbie | i dont think you understand mate... |
| 18:58.40 | stew | (which we knew would resolve from his /etc/hosts) |
| 18:58.45 | bzrk | newbie: its not bash, and dont use getent |
| 18:58.52 | newbie | try http://173.230.132.93/nagios |
| 18:58.52 | stew | bzrk: why not use getent? |
| 18:58.54 | newbie | see it works... |
| 18:58.58 | bzrk | getent looks in /etc/hosts as well, we dont want that |
| 18:59.06 | cusco | newbie: ping $(cat /etc/hostname) |
| 18:59.09 | stew | bzrk: yes we do |
| 18:59.12 | bzrk | i want you tu use host because it only returns names from dns |
| 18:59.18 | bzrk | stew: no we dont |
| 18:59.36 | stew | bzrk: are you trying to solve his issue with the ServerName warning or something unrelated? |
| 18:59.38 | cusco | is your hostname on the hosts file? |
| 18:59.54 | bzrk | stew: the ip doesnt resolve externally |
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| 19:00.07 | bzrk | thats the first problem he needs to solve |
| 19:00.10 | newbie | li172-93:~# ping $(cat /etc/hostname) |
| 19:00.10 | newbie | ping: unknown host SVD-BLUE |
| 19:00.10 | newbie | li172-93:~# |
| 19:00.24 | cusco | that is your problem with apache newbie |
| 19:00.40 | bzrk | newbie: your install needs a lot of groundwork |
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| 19:00.47 | diabel | Hello |
| 19:00.50 | cusco | newbie: I have 127.0.1.1 Marte |
| 19:00.53 | cusco | and I can ping Marte |
| 19:00.54 | bzrk | fix your hostname and make sure dns can resolve your hostname |
| 19:01.10 | stew | newbie: if you want the ServerName warning to go away (which is just a warning) you should just be able to add a ServerName directive to /etc/apache2/httpd.conf, if you aren't using NameVirtualHosts, then it shouldn't matter |
| 19:01.19 | cusco | newbie: add SVD-BLUE to /etc/hosts |
| 19:01.58 | newbie | cusco and pint t to what though... |
| 19:02.55 | bzrk | newbie: did you configure any hostname svd-blue? |
| 19:03.14 | cusco | localhost or 127.0.01 |
| 19:03.16 | cusco | localhost or 127.0.0.1 |
| 19:03.33 | newbie | bzrk SVD-BLUE is the hostname |
| 19:03.49 | bzrk | newbie: yes, do you want that to be the hostname? |
| 19:04.04 | newbie | bzrk yes |
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| 19:04.21 | bzrk | newbie: ok, then either put it in /etc/hosts and/or into your dns |
| 19:04.31 | bzrk | and dont use localhost, use your external ip address |
| 19:05.08 | bzrk | 173.230.132.93 svd-blue.savantdefense.com svd-blue |
| 19:05.10 | cusco | not obliged to use external ip |
| 19:05.16 | cusco | 127.0.0.1 will work just fine |
| 19:05.29 | bzrk | then he will be back to where he started with his apache |
| 19:05.36 | bzrk | namely, servername= 127.0.0.1 |
| 19:06.11 | cusco | that is not where he started |
| 19:06.24 | cusco | he started with servername=some-name-not-resolving-anywhere |
| 19:06.30 | newbie | bzrk i already have: 173.230.132.93 status.savantdefence.com status |
| 19:06.37 | newbie | so i should define it twice...?? |
| 19:06.39 | bzrk | newbie: not status |
| 19:06.42 | bzrk | svd-blue |
| 19:06.47 | newbie | ok |
| 19:07.06 | newbie | but the subdomain svdblue.savantdefenece.com does not exist.. |
| 19:07.09 | bzrk | newbie: your apache looks up your hostname, finds svd-blue and doesnt find it defined anywhere |
| 19:07.18 | bzrk | so you need to define it |
| 19:07.44 | bzrk | its not a subdomain, its the host svd-blue in the domain savantdefense.com |
| 19:09.12 | newbie | ooo works :) |
| 19:09.16 | newbie | thank you bzrk!! |
| 19:09.21 | bzrk | you are welcome :) |
| 19:09.21 | newbie | li172-93:~# /etc/init.d/apache2 reload |
| 19:09.21 | newbie | Reloading web server config: apache2. |
| 19:09.21 | newbie | li172-93:~# |
| 19:09.24 | newbie | no errors now :) |
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| 19:10.11 | bzrk | i give him a week before his box is owned |
| 19:10.48 | cusco | he seems to be caucious enough to care about simple warnings |
| 19:10.54 | bzrk | true |
| 19:11.05 | cusco | so he will probably go slowly with installing own-ware |
| 19:11.07 | bzrk | looks like he is at the shallow end of the learning curve though :P |
| 19:11.15 | bzrk | best of luck to him |
| 19:11.19 | cusco | heh |
| 19:11.22 | cusco | :) |
| 19:12.08 | cusco | he seemed caucious, curious and humble enough... |
| 19:12.12 | cusco | best of luck |
| 19:12.24 | cusco | bla bla bla..... nothing else to talk about |
| 19:12.24 | cusco | :p |
| 19:12.30 | bzrk | ^^ |
| 19:12.43 | bzrk | yeah im not holding it against him in any way |
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| 19:18.15 | EmilioTucci | Hi all |
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| 19:18.36 | EmilioTucci | Where can I see the errors when trying to mound a SMB network drive that I have set in fstab file? thanks |
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| 19:19.38 | EmilioTucci | /innerspecdc1/share/LinuxServerBackUp /mnt/LinuxServerBackUp smbfs defaults,user,noauto,username=USER,password=PASSWORD $ |
| 19:19.43 | EmilioTucci | I did that but nothing happens |
| 19:20.09 | EmilioTucci | I can't access from my Debian server to the mounted drive that should point the path in a Windows server (innerspecdc1 |
| 19:20.13 | EmilioTucci | any clue? |
| 19:21.08 | ThisNicknameIsnt | EmilioTucci, why don't you try the mount manually? |
| 19:21.39 | jordanm | EmilioTucci: you realize that if you backup your server to that location, you will lose all permissions and ownership? |
| 19:21.43 | stew | EmilioTucci: you should be using cifs intead of smbfs unless its an ancient windows machine (like win95 iirc) |
| 19:22.13 | jordanm | EmilioTucci: also, I think the syntax is //server/share |
| 19:22.36 | EmilioTucci | ThisNicknameIsnt, I did mount -a, no errors, no feedback |
| 19:22.38 | jelly-home | EmilioTucci: right, you seem to be missing a / at the beginning |
| 19:22.59 | EmilioTucci | jordanm, that is the way it is is. They backup the content of a Windows server into tapes, so I have to send to that server my content |
| 19:23.22 | EmilioTucci | jelly-home, let me try that |
| 19:24.02 | jordanm | EmilioTucci: as long as its a data backup, and not a system backup, that is fine. otherwise, you must archive the files before sending over CIFS |
| 19:24.27 | EmilioTucci | yeah, I already have the //, what you saw is a typo |
| 19:24.51 | EmilioTucci | doing mount -a, shows nothing on the prompt |
| 19:24.54 | jordanm | EmilioTucci: mount /mnt/LinuxServerBackUp; dmesg | tail |
| 19:24.58 | EmilioTucci | is there any file where I can see any error |
| 19:25.01 | EmilioTucci | oh, you got it |
| 19:25.07 | jelly-home | EmilioTucci: do you have a /sbin/mount.smbfs command present on the system? |
| 19:25.32 | jelly-home | EmilioTucci: mount -a _won't_ touch noauto lines. |
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| 19:26.57 | solifugus | So... did anyone take a look at my concept for a new AI interface? http://pastebin.com/jQB1MkRc |
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| 19:27.04 | solifugus | wrong list.. sorry |
| 19:27.24 | kash | is it possible to reverse the direction of a laptop microphone jack in alsa? |
| 19:27.34 | kash | i.e. use it as a secondary output |
| 19:27.55 | jelly-home | kash: does the hardware explicitely support that? |
| 19:28.26 | kash | not sure |
| 19:28.29 | jelly-home | kash: if not, then "no, you can't change your hardware with software" |
| 19:28.30 | kash | probably not |
| 19:28.32 | kash | haha |
| 19:28.35 | kash | :) |
| 19:28.42 | kash | that's all i wanted to know, thanks |
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| 19:35.27 | foetus | **solved an real strange issue by configuring ProFTPd; ServerIdent is showing the full "real" IP-Address:); changing the ServerIdent immedially and is getting a taste of an cheap german weizenkorn with apple..brr:) |
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| 19:45.49 | foetus | **brr is surely offtopic:) |
| 19:47.22 | foetus | so lets see the serverident.. |
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| 19:54.28 | EmilioTucci | I am sorry, boss was here |
| 19:54.31 | EmilioTucci | I get: |
| 19:54.32 | EmilioTucci | segfault at 7fff8f17dff8 ip 7fc1804cfe38 sp 7fff8f17e028 error 6 in libphp5.so[7fc180200000+586000] |
| 19:54.33 | EmilioTucci | ?? |
| 19:54.51 | EmilioTucci | when I do : mount /mnt/LinuxServerBackUp; dmesg | tail |
| 19:55.22 | intgr | Pretty unlikely that those events are related. |
| 19:55.28 | jordanm | EmilioTucci: the segfault is unrelated. looks like one of your web applications is crashing |
| 19:55.39 | stew | :) |
| 19:55.48 | EmilioTucci | mmm |
| 19:56.04 | EmilioTucci | what does it mean? |
| 19:56.07 | EmilioTucci | the server is working |
| 19:56.11 | intgr | PHP crashed |
| 19:56.11 | EmilioTucci | I can access my web apps |
| 19:56.19 | EmilioTucci | but I am using the web with php script snow |
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| 19:56.34 | intgr | But web servers recover from PHP crashes |
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| 19:57.03 | EmilioTucci | ok, because I have just executed phpinfo and no errors |
| 19:57.32 | EmilioTucci | so what else can I try to find out why the network drive does not mount? |
| 19:57.40 | jordanm | "php crashed" does not mean "php is completely broken". there is a good chance it was caused specifically by code that you ran |
| 19:58.29 | EmilioTucci | ah, that would make sense since I have been trying some code |
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| 19:58.33 | stew | <snark>there are other indications that php is completely broken</snark> :) |
| 19:58.34 | EmilioTucci | but what about the mount issue? |
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| 19:59.07 | intgr | lol good one |
| 19:59.24 | Laidback_01 | Caelum, ping |
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| 19:59.30 | jordanm | EmilioTucci: what does "mount" show now? typically it will display atleast some error output from a failure |
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| 20:03.35 | hidensoft | hi every body , i'm using ubuntu , i have some question , if i download the CD1 of debian , its have complete installation fils and Desktop softwear ? |
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| 20:04.19 | jordanm | hidensoft: yes |
| 20:04.23 | nsadmin | better source of info: #ubuntu; not a source of info: #debian |
| 20:04.23 | jordanm | !tell hidensoft about cd contents |
| 20:04.40 | nsadmin | oh oops, didn't read the whole thing |
| 20:04.52 | jordanm | deletes his follup to nsadmin :) |
| 20:05.44 | nsadmin | never got past "I'm using ubuntu"... |
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| 20:08.06 | MrFahrenheit | so annoying |
| 20:08.51 | tyche | Same IP address as the last one. |
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| 20:09.13 | do0ob | nobody react |
| 20:09.41 | nsadmin | you just reacted :) |
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| 20:11.25 | Backup | hi, i have a problem with debia squeeze, its been running smooth for months, but now console is really laggy. every thign else is fine. cpu usage and ram is fine aswell. no reported disk issues either. any ideas? |
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| 20:12.04 | jordanm | Backup: console, as-in, a TTY or a virtual terminal (eg. xterm)? |
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| 20:12.10 | wertik_rus | fuck |
| 20:12.14 | wertik_rus | stop it |
| 20:12.15 | nsadmin | Backup, probably not enuf info |
| 20:12.19 | Havis | again spammer? :( |
| 20:12.25 | wertik_rus | yes |
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| 20:12.56 | nsadmin | can xchat ignore on content? |
| 20:13.07 | wertik_rus | yes can |
| 20:13.16 | NiLon | +r is so awsome |
| 20:13.18 | Havis | but thats not solution to this... |
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| 20:13.27 | hidensoft | how ? |
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| 20:13.41 | nsadmin | I realize that, it would be a temp kludge |
| 20:13.44 | tyche | This one's Argentina |
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| 20:17.05 | Backup | nsadmin: well, ive checked every thign i can think of. im talking about xterm. is 40-60% cpu usage on xorg abnormal? |
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| 20:20.29 | nsadmin | Backup is it the only thing taking that much? I'd say that is abnormal |
| 20:20.36 | jordanm | Backup: are you running compiz or some kind of compositing window manager? |
| 20:21.12 | poisonbit | Backup, I've see gnome temrinal taking cpu with too much scrolling in slow cpu... but xterm use to be fast |
| 20:21.26 | poisonbit | and light |
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| 20:22.11 | jordanm | hey, poisonbit still around after a certain -devel thread! :) |
| 20:22.19 | nsadmin | btw what exactly do you mean by "console"? |
| 20:22.31 | foetus | ok. used the MasqueradeAddress feature..solved. |
| 20:23.37 | foetus | DynMasqRefresh not needed. |
| 20:24.28 | TheAvatar | Uhm, I have this 100% unattended preseed file for debian5 32bit. I wanted to use the same for 64bit debian5, but then it stops asking for 'mirror location', and no matter what I do, I cant make it continue - it complains about some pub key thing in the 'dev console' during the install. What do I need to make differently? |
| 20:24.30 | poisonbit | jordanm, I've been around a week out of the computer, doing some mountain walking, etc... and here I'm after all, more calm |
| 20:25.04 | thewanderer1 | I have sudden connectivity drops lasting 40 seconds - 2 minutes between 2 OpenVZ containers, one is lenny while the other one is lenny with some parts of squeeze (ldap) - kernel 2.6.32-5-openvz-amd64. between physical machines, connectivity always works. I'm using a bridged setup on both machines. |
| 20:26.04 | nsadmin | so this is connectivity on established connections? |
| 20:26.18 | poisonbit | TheAvatar, that sounds extrange, is an oficial debian mirror ? |
| 20:26.28 | jordanm | poisonbit: well, I agreed, and I think it is unfortunate the stance taken by most. I think the post alone will atleast make someone out there aware who was not previously |
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| 20:27.03 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: ALL connectivity, including ARP |
| 20:27.13 | thewanderer1 | frames, packets, nothing |
| 20:27.21 | nsadmin | that sounds physical |
| 20:27.25 | thewanderer1 | nope |
| 20:27.41 | jordanm | they are virtual containers... |
| 20:27.49 | poisonbit | jordanm, I wish I could take some time to do something positive around what I said |
| 20:27.51 | thewanderer1 | they are on 2 different machines connected with a cat5e cable |
| 20:28.05 | Backup | jordanm: no compiz. just a core gnome install |
| 20:28.16 | thewanderer1 | but while the network outage between VE's happens, the physical machines can still exchange data freely |
| 20:28.48 | poisonbit | thewanderer1, do you have errors counted in tcp? (ifconfig or /proc/net/dev) |
| 20:28.50 | nsadmin | what layer would that be? |
| 20:29.03 | TheAvatar | poisonbit, I tried lots of mirrors, but yes - all official |
| 20:29.16 | thewanderer1 | poisonbit: no errors at all |
| 20:29.19 | TheAvatar | and if I use the exact same things, except the 32/64bit stuff, it works just fine for 32bit |
| 20:29.33 | Backup | i did upgrade squeeze earlier today tho. maybe that broke some thing |
| 20:29.34 | poisonbit | TheAvatar, I ven't try preseed with other than i386 really. So not sure about |
| 20:29.50 | nsadmin | was it working before that? |
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| 20:30.09 | thewanderer1 | I'm looking at an outage happening as we speak |
| 20:30.13 | thewanderer1 | started 15 sec ago |
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| 20:30.23 | Backup | yes |
| 20:30.24 | TheAvatar | me neither, heh - but I cant see why it should be any different |
| 20:30.28 | poisonbit | arp -a does see wath it should see ? |
| 20:31.06 | thewanderer1 | poisonbit: right now, yes, I'll try at the next outage |
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| 20:31.24 | thewanderer1 | the connectivity is back to normal, the error lasted about 30 seconds now |
| 20:31.30 | poisonbit | I don't remember if bridge utils has any option about verbosity |
| 20:32.24 | EmilioTucci | jordanm, I am sorry man, I am at the office and people is just coming over here to bother me. The mount command does not show me anything, no messages, no errors |
| 20:32.39 | thewanderer1 | I can see the bridge status in dmesg - it is in forwarding state, not changing since I left the place physically (I was trying to debug this in the physical layer today) |
| 20:33.02 | thewanderer1 | it's not the physical layer though |
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| 20:33.45 | jordanm | EmilioTucci: I assume it also does not show your mounted location? |
| 20:33.51 | thewanderer1 | right now, the connections seems relatively stable |
| 20:34.08 | NoCode | Will I disappointed with the Debian Testing ⦠KDE daily-build ISO? Does KDE on Debian perform better than Ubuntu's KDE for Lucid? |
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| 20:34.33 | jordanm | how would we know if we run debian? |
| 20:34.34 | EmilioTucci | jordanm, that is right, I just type the command, I hit enter and that is, then the prompt comes back, no error, no nothing |
| 20:34.48 | jordanm | EmilioTucci: again as root... |
| 20:34.53 | encrypt | ive setup a network bridge with Debian.. it works nice.. but after like 20 hours.. it starts losing packets.. then it only stops losing packets when I reboot.. wondering if anyone has some idea about this behaviour... |
| 20:35.13 | NoCode | I figure some Debian developers are also Ubuntu developers. Ubuntu is derived from Debian. |
| 20:35.22 | thewanderer1 | encrypt: my bridge is losing packets between 2 OpenVZ containers... |
| 20:35.29 | EmilioTucci | oh fuck |
| 20:35.32 | EmilioTucci | now is mounted |
| 20:35.33 | thewanderer1 | these are actually 2 bridges on 2 machines |
| 20:35.35 | Enverex | I have a device that IDs itself as '0411:00cb MelCo., Inc. WLI-U2-G300N 802.11n Adapter' but I can't find any drivers for it. Can anyone help me track down which chipset it's using? (apparently there are different versions with different chipsets) |
| 20:35.50 | encrypt | thewanderer1 when you reboot it also comes back to normal til some hours later? |
| 20:36.00 | TheAvatar | poisonbit, hah great - I tried replacing the initrd and linux image, then it works - so guess the 5.0.3 (or 5.0.2) images were... somehow broken |
| 20:36.02 | thewanderer1 | encrypt: no, it's completely and utterly random |
| 20:36.07 | encrypt | weird |
| 20:36.12 | jordanm | EmilioTucci: I believe your problem was that you were trying to mount with "mount -a", which the mount manpage explicilty states that it will not mount noauto |
| 20:36.29 | jordanm | EmilioTucci: specifically, in the section where noauto is described |
| 20:36.44 | EmilioTucci | /innerspecdc1/share/LinuxServerBackUp /mnt/LinuxServerBackUp smbfs defaults,user,noauto,username=USER,password=PASS $ |
| 20:37.12 | poisonbit | TheAvatar, have you reached a fully auto install with more than 2 eth ? |
| 20:37.12 | EmilioTucci | that is in my fstab file (with an extra / in the begining) |
| 20:37.12 | EmilioTucci | so why it did not work? |
| 20:37.12 | poisonbit | last time I tryied I couldn't |
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| 20:37.12 | EmilioTucci | during the startup I mean |
| 20:37.13 | NoCode | Meh, I'll just install Gnome with a Testing daily-build. Not much to it. I've done it many of times. |
| 20:37.27 | jordanm | EmilioTucci: because you told it not to |
| 20:37.47 | TheAvatar | poisonbit, eth? talking about network ifaces or? More than 2, no - only used two, but if u use auto, it should pick the one with link - dno if u have 3 nics and all 3 has link |
| 20:38.10 | EmilioTucci | jordanm, what you mean? |
| 20:38.43 | poisonbit | maybe the link bit wath was issuing me... I was with 2 virtual eth and both should have link |
| 20:39.03 | NoCode | Will daily-build ISOs work on USB from unetbootin? |
| 20:39.04 | jordanm | EmilioTucci: look at each option you are giving to mount. explain to yourself what each option does. then, you tell me why it doesn't mount on boot |
| 20:39.12 | NoCode | It has been a while |
| 20:39.43 | jordanm | EmilioTucci: options are in the 4th column "defaults,user,noauto,username=USER,password=PASS" |
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| 20:42.51 | Devastator | does anybody know a tool or a floppy bootdisk that would make my cdrom to boot? I want to install debian on an old computer |
| 20:42.53 | EmilioTucci | ohh, |
| 20:42.59 | EmilioTucci | jordanm, you mean the noauto ? |
| 20:43.01 | Devastator | but bios doesn't have cdrom boot |
| 20:43.22 | thewanderer1 | Devastator: I think GRUB can make bootable floppies |
| 20:43.26 | jordanm | EmilioTucci: right |
| 20:43.41 | TheAvatar | heh sucks - spent 1½ hour earlier at work messing with that preseed stuff |
| 20:43.59 | nyRednek | yeah, i think so |
| 20:44.09 | EmilioTucci | jordanm, so it should be "auto", I don't know how tat get there...I promess :) |
| 20:44.14 | jordanm | EmilioTucci: "noauto Can only be mounted explicitly (i.e., the -a option will not cause the file system to be mounted)." |
| 20:44.23 | jordanm | EmilioTucci: hence, you told it not to |
| 20:44.49 | jordanm | EmilioTucci: you already specify defaults. look at "man mount" to see which options are included in defaults |
| 20:45.20 | EmilioTucci | ok, I will remove the user, noauto |
| 20:45.21 | NoCode | what does bd stand for? |
| 20:45.30 | NoCode | bt-bd |
| 20:45.39 | NoCode | bit torrent-bd? |
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| 20:46.28 | EmilioTucci | jordanm, thanks man |
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| 20:47.47 | jordanm | EmilioTucci: anytime |
| 20:48.00 | NoCode | blah |
| 20:48.32 | foetus | ftp is working nice. must check the upload issue, correcting the limit settings for uploading files, will see |
| 20:48.39 | NoCode | !bd |
| 20:48.39 | dpkg | hmm... bd is Bangladesh, or Blu-ray Disc (ask me about <blu-ray>). |
| 20:48.47 | peterrooney | floppy boot . . . woody release, then dist-upgrade? |
| 20:48.52 | NoCode | OKAY, that made sense now. |
| 20:48.58 | NoCode | Thank you, dpkg |
| 20:49.11 | NoCode | (I know it is a bot) |
| 20:49.49 | foetus | Bangladesh - maybe you could help down there with your bla |
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| 20:50.05 | NoCode | bla? |
| 20:50.13 | foetus | _ |
| 20:50.25 | NoCode | I have one of those too. |
| 20:50.27 | NoCode | _ |
| 20:51.57 | MichaelBurns | is the package quagga ok in the latest stable release of lenny? |
| 20:51.59 | NoCode | The Linux community is going to be worse than the Mac community, I can already tell. |
| 20:52.21 | nsadmin | MichaelBurns: check bts for bug reports |
| 20:52.26 | thewanderer1 | well guys, I have another problem - my RAID1 is in resync mode every time I boot |
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| 20:55.37 | tholl583xx | hi |
| 20:56.05 | tholl583xx | i have a apt-get process that has hung, and it wont let me kill it with kill -9 pid |
| 20:56.16 | tholl583xx | or anything that i have tried so far |
| 20:56.33 | tholl583xx | the problem is due to a cciss mount going away due to a raid failure |
| 20:57.37 | NoCode | !install usb |
| 20:57.46 | NoCode | !install |
| 20:57.46 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 20:58.14 | NoCode | !usb |
| 20:58.14 | dpkg | [usb] (Universal Serial Bus) A technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial and parallel communications. It is also much more flexible: many devices can be connected to simultaneously. USB 3.0 is supported by the Linux kernel since 2.6.31. http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html http://www.linux-usb.org/ See also <usb install>, <usbreset>. |
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| 20:58.29 | tholl583xx | any suggestions on how i can get control of apt-get again, as i would like to install a tool to help me with the raid? |
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| 20:58.48 | NoCode | !usb install |
| 20:58.49 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 21:00.57 | NoCode | "debian.org: Error: Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker." |
| 21:01.02 | NoCode | HEH |
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| 21:01.17 | thewanderer1 | tholl583xx: iowait is not interruptible, you have to use the reset button or sth... |
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| 21:01.46 | HTT-Bird | hey guys |
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| 21:02.39 | HTT-Bird | is there an IRC channel where the -legal eagles tend to hang out in, or do they stick to the mailing list? |
| 21:03.51 | thewanderer1 | #gnu might know something about GPL, I guess |
| 21:05.12 | thewanderer1 | guys, how do I ask "who has MAC de:ad:be:ef:32:22"? this is an actual address, as seen here: http://pastebin.com/j4Wguv84 - and this seems to alter my arp table and break networking... |
| 21:05.43 | thewanderer1 | I guess I want to issue a RARP request |
| 21:06.15 | HTT-Bird | yeah, RARP could be tried to get an IP back from the MAC..., but I'm not sure how much an IP'd be helpful, considering you'd probably want to find the device physically |
| 21:06.30 | HTT-Bird | is this on a wired or wireless network? |
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| 21:07.36 | thewanderer1 | wired network |
| 21:07.48 | thewanderer1 | if I can get the IP address of the offender, I'll know what that is |
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| 21:10.31 | HTT-Bird | thewanderer1, I guess arping is your best bet |
| 21:11.12 | HTT-Bird | although it's showing up in the cache as 10.6.0.5 |
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| 21:23.43 | onur | Hi. I am always using debian cd images as a local repository. I mount a image to /mnt and using with 'deb file:///mnt lenny main'. The problem is repository in the cd image is not signed and when I try to install a package from this repositry, apt is always warn me to about untrusted source. How can I define this source to trusted? |
| 21:24.34 | thewanderer1 | mdstat says 19550976 blocks [2/2] [UU] - are the U letters all right? is this worrying or what? |
| 21:26.07 | mrbnet | I have put together a flash drive with debian net install on it. How can I roll some custom scripts and settings into that which get installed at time of installation? SSH default settings, name servers, ip tables, etc... |
| 21:26.35 | thewanderer1 | HTT-Bird: arping returns 2 entries for 10.6.0.5, heh |
| 21:27.03 | thewanderer1 | mrbnet: use preseeding for that |
| 21:28.10 | thewanderer1 | "rarp -a" shows: this kernel does not support RARP. cool.. |
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| 21:29.27 | HTT-Bird | thewanderer1, rarp in the traditional sense hasn't worked since 2.2 lol |
| 21:29.37 | HTT-Bird | thewanderer1, pastebin the arping results |
| 21:29.49 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: that's just how it looks when everything's Up and rUnning |
| 21:30.32 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: an _ instead of U would however be a possible reason to worry |
| 21:30.44 | thewanderer1 | HTT-Bird: http://pastebin.com/KcFdufDq |
| 21:30.48 | thewanderer1 | thanks jelly-home |
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| 21:34.13 | mrbnet | thewanderer1: I was looking up preseeding but I didn't see where I could load custom data or scripts. Is that accomplished with preseeding? |
| 21:34.55 | thewanderer1 | mrbnet: I don't know, see all options and find out... if not, there's always the raw iso you can work on |
| 21:35.01 | thewanderer1 | or netinst, or whatever |
| 21:36.38 | mrbnet | thewanderer1: alright, thank you |
| 21:37.13 | HTT-Bird | thewanderer1, it looks like you have two different MAC's in a cat-fight over the same IP |
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| 21:37.39 | thewanderer1 | HTT-Bird: yeah... I'm now trying to find out what interface they are on |
| 21:37.39 | HTT-Bird | I guess you can check IPs and MACs on the boxen on the network |
| 21:37.46 | thewanderer1 | hmm... |
| 21:37.58 | thewanderer1 | what would give me a dead beef mac address? :P |
| 21:38.05 | HTT-Bird | although interface choice may be of use...you can use the -i option to arping |
| 21:38.07 | HTT-Bird | not a clue :P |
| 21:38.38 | thewanderer1 | argh |
| 21:38.44 | thewanderer1 | there isn't such address on the network |
| 21:38.49 | thewanderer1 | but I have another 10.6.0.5 box, lol |
| 21:39.25 | jelly-home | ... |
| 21:39.41 | HTT-Bird | thewanderer1, as to figuring out which I/F the rotten piece of meat is on, try going through them in turn with arping's -i option |
| 21:39.54 | jelly-home | why does Debian not warn about duplicate IP like Windows does, I wonder |
| 21:39.56 | HTT-Bird | jelly-home, nobody wants rotten meat on their network. :( |
| 21:40.12 | HTT-Bird | jelly-home, I always wondered how Windows even detects duplicate IPs |
| 21:40.38 | thewanderer1 | alright, got it |
| 21:40.40 | thewanderer1 | NETIF="ifname=eth1,mac=DE:AD:BE:EF:32:22 heh |
| 21:40.56 | thewanderer1 | and this had 10.6.0.5 set in the container. duplicate, as in "lol lol" |
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| 21:41.51 | HTT-Bird | I wonder who set that setting...LOL |
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| 21:42.44 | thewanderer1 | it was me |
| 21:42.54 | HTT-Bird | d'oh. xD |
| 21:42.57 | thewanderer1 | it's good, at least it triggers an alarm in my head :P |
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| 21:44.28 | HTT-Bird | yeah |
| 21:45.06 | HTT-Bird | sure beats having the network down for two days due to a duplicate IP that you can't find... |
| 21:45.17 | HTT-Bird | although the worst nightmares usually involve rogue DHCP servers. :P |
| 21:45.59 | thewanderer1 | not if you have a network bridge that filters DHCP packets... |
| 21:46.27 | HTT-Bird | yeah, that's the way to do it xD |
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| 21:48.23 | prizm | so anyways |
| 21:48.29 | poisonbit | mrbnet, <mrbnet> thewanderer1: I was looking up preseeding but I didn't see where I could load custom data or scripts. Is that accomplished with preseeding? |
| 21:48.30 | prizm | I would like to know before I install debian |
| 21:48.32 | poisonbit | ^^^^see late_command in http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/example-preseed.txt |
| 21:49.00 | prizm | anyways, when I select my partition containing windows in debian installer's partitioner (the one with the guided options) |
| 21:49.17 | prizm | what will happen, will it shrink it, will it erase it, something? |
| 21:49.38 | nsadmin | probably it would format it |
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| 21:50.10 | nsadmin | got another drive? |
| 21:50.22 | nsadmin | got space on the windows drive? |
| 21:50.22 | prizm | no |
| 21:50.27 | prizm | 7.91 GB |
| 21:50.32 | nsadmin | can you shrink the partition in windows? |
| 21:50.36 | prizm | I'd like to shrink it down to 3.0 GB |
| 21:50.40 | prizm | huh> |
| 21:50.50 | prizm | I don't think windows can shrink it's own partition |
| 21:50.58 | nsadmin | I believe it can |
| 21:51.00 | prizm | besides, this is windows 98 we're talking about |
| 21:51.10 | nsadmin | oh 98? |
| 21:51.17 | nsadmin | how much ram you got? |
| 21:51.17 | Zharf | remove it! |
| 21:51.24 | prizm | it doesn't have a decent partitioner |
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| 21:51.28 | prizm | also 64 MB RAM |
| 21:51.32 | nsadmin | so you want your windows I take it |
| 21:51.36 | prizm | I have been meaning to upgrade ut |
| 21:51.39 | prizm | i want to keep windows |
| 21:51.48 | prizm | dual-bootin' |
| 21:52.15 | Zharf | it'll be difficult to resize it, you might just lose all data if it goes wrong |
| 21:52.26 | prizm | I backed up my data |
| 21:52.28 | Zharf | you need partition magic |
| 21:52.30 | Zharf | oh |
| 21:52.37 | prizm | so I think I'm willing to take the risk |
| 21:52.49 | Zharf | best to reinstall the windows then, and debian after that |
| 21:52.50 | prizm | I'd prefer to keep windows |
| 21:53.06 | prizm | I also don't have a windows install disc (but did make a boot floppy in case) |
| 21:53.16 | HTT-Bird | prizm, what do you need Windows for? |
| 21:53.23 | prizm | and I don't have a copy of partition magic |
| 21:53.28 | prizm | HTT-Bird: games and tinkering |
| 21:53.58 | HTT-Bird | I think you can do fat32 shrinks in gparted, correct me if I'm wrong tho |
| 21:53.58 | prizm | nothing that doesn't work in wine, but it's always handy to have a copy in case |
| 21:54.04 | prizm | gparted doesn |
| 21:54.06 | lizone | prizm, Have you ever tried pubuntu? |
| 21:54.12 | prizm | 't have enough memeory |
| 21:54.16 | prizm | pubuntu? |
| 21:54.39 | prizm | My other laternative is Ubuntu console install, but that also has the same installer as debian |
| 21:54.51 | lizone | I guess you want to run linux on your windows, right? |
| 21:55.01 | prizm | keep both |
| 21:55.06 | prizm | and run a dual boot |
| 21:55.23 | lizone | yeah, but with pubuntu you can have them both at the same time |
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| 21:55.30 | prizm | that needs XP |
| 21:55.38 | nsadmin | and LOTS of ram |
| 21:55.40 | lizone | it's even better then a linux on vbox |
| 21:55.41 | prizm | you refreshed my memory, pubuntu needs NT based windows |
| 21:56.01 | prizm | maybe loadlin? |
| 21:56.05 | lizone | prizm, you might be right |
| 21:56.07 | prizm | it's on the debian CD |
| 21:56.23 | prizm | plus pubuntu needs craptons of memory that I don't have here |
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| 21:56.55 | lizone | prizm, i run pubuntu on my netbook |
| 21:56.57 | prizm | the only problem is making loadlin useful and functional |
| 21:57.01 | prizm | 64 MB RAM. |
| 21:57.17 | prizm | I'm pretty sure your netbok has more than that |
| 21:57.21 | HTT-Bird | prizm, yes, fat32 shrinks can be done by gparted |
| 21:57.23 | prizm | and NT based windows |
| 21:57.24 | lizone | i see where the problem is :-)) |
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| 21:57.30 | prizm | HTT-Bird: not enough memory for gparted |
| 21:57.42 | HTT-Bird | ah... |
| 21:57.45 | prizm | also I'm going to upgrade the memory, it's just that I'd like debian now |
| 21:57.49 | prizm | -ish/ |
| 21:57.59 | HTT-Bird | you probably could use the command-line version of parted then |
| 21:58.09 | runa | heyas. my machine has a lot of 'cached ram' but also a few gigs of swap are used (and I see in vmstat that swap io is happening). any hints?? |
| 21:58.12 | HTT-Bird | be forewarned though, using parted's commandline is rather intimidating |
| 21:58.16 | prizm | yeah |
| 21:58.22 | prizm | I know basic commandline stuff |
| 21:58.47 | HTT-Bird | runa, I've seen that tidbit too... |
| 21:58.47 | prizm | mainly compiling software, good ol' ls of -a, rm -rf /*, etc. |
| 21:59.08 | krisfremen | runa: what's the problem? how much ram do you have? |
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| 21:59.18 | runa | krisfremen: 8g |
| 21:59.35 | prizm | holy shit all my pcs combined don't have that much |
| 21:59.35 | jordanm | stew: don't know if you remember, but we were looking oui.txt and how it was not a configuration file. my rc bug was downgraded to important, and the current maintainer is encrouraging me to consider them config files when I take over the package... |
| 21:59.36 | krisfremen | do you have any heavy processes? |
| 21:59.40 | prizm | CONSIDER YOURSELF LUCKY SIR |
| 21:59.41 | runa | krisfremen: there's a lot of IO wait and I cannot explain why it's swapping |
| 21:59.41 | krisfremen | apache or the sort? |
| 21:59.45 | spacepluk | damn, my laptop is obsolete :P |
| 21:59.50 | runa | krisfremen: I have mysql using 16% of the ram |
| 21:59.54 | prizm | ahh |
| 22:00.02 | krisfremen | anything else? |
| 22:00.03 | prizm | from what I heard MySQL is a resource hog |
| 22:00.17 | HTT-Bird | is it just disk IO or swap IO in particular you are seeing? |
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| 22:00.31 | runa | HTT-Bird: mostly swap |
| 22:00.49 | HTT-Bird | because if you found such behavior extremely undesirable enough to need to change it, I guess you could try playing with the swappiness knob |
| 22:01.17 | prizm | but anyways |
| 22:01.31 | runa | HTT-Bird: I played once, it did something very different to what I was expecting |
| 22:01.47 | runa | HTT-Bird: maybe I should try it again? |
| 22:01.55 | prizm | what's the safested way to keep windows and linux on a pc peacefully without erasing one another? |
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| 22:02.09 | prizm | using only the debian installer |
| 22:02.31 | nsadmin | have a drive with sufficient unpartitioned space |
| 22:02.31 | prizm | also one hd only, and one fat32 partition I;d like to shrink |
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| 22:02.54 | prizm | but I'd like to make space for debian and keep windows |
| 22:02.57 | thewanderer1 | do I need the root bind DN for OpenLDAP to work? |
| 22:03.03 | prizm | ubuntu's gui install can do this |
| 22:03.08 | prizm | but I have the text installer |
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| 22:03.12 | HTT-Bird | runa, not sure |
| 22:03.18 | nsadmin | you might be able to get some live cd with the tools to deal with the partitoin |
| 22:03.20 | HTT-Bird | you may just have to put up with it :p |
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| 22:03.22 | Bushmills | runa: reducing your swappiness may help |
| 22:03.23 | prizm | and all tuts I've seen for the text installer presume you have no space |
| 22:03.33 | prizm | that's used by windows |
| 22:03.42 | runa | Bushmills: ok, I'll read the docs for swappiness again |
| 22:03.50 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.47 | mee | prizm: you could boot with a liveCD containing your partition resizing tool to resize your windows partition prior to installing. I think there is a 'diskzilla' live cd image floating around that works well for this |
| 22:05.58 | prizm | hmmmmmmmmm |
| 22:06.13 | prizm | I have limited ram, and there are few livecds that work for it though |
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| 22:07.00 | mee | if your partition resizing tool requires more ram than windows... color me confused. |
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| 22:07.04 | nsadmin | there's one way you could run linux and win... get a machine :) |
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| 22:07.47 | nsadmin | then your limitations go away, depending on what you get |
| 22:08.07 | prizm | too bad I want to run linux on this |
| 22:08.19 | prizm | I already run linux on my speedy pc, now I want to run it here |
| 22:08.40 | nsadmin | oh ok, you already have another box |
| 22:08.50 | neurolysis | Hi -- when I try to install Debian from USB my USB stick is detected as hd1 and it screws up grub et al. -- what should I do to stop this from happening? |
| 22:09.00 | nsadmin | btw, again why do you want to keep win? |
| 22:09.10 | krisfremen | why not just virtualize win? |
| 22:09.29 | nsadmin | way too little ram |
| 22:09.29 | prizm | it's a Pentium 3 |
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| 22:09.41 | prizm | The earliest generation of them infact |
| 22:09.55 | nsadmin | pretty soon you'll want to throw that box away |
| 22:09.58 | jordanm | neurolysis: squeeze? |
| 22:10.01 | krisfremen | i run debian and win xp image on 512 megs ram |
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| 22:10.05 | neurolysis | jordanm: yep |
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| 22:10.18 | jordanm | neurolysis: check the bts, I recall that being a known issue |
| 22:10.26 | nsadmin | krisfremen and he has 64 mb |
| 22:10.29 | prizm | hell no |
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| 22:10.43 | prizm | why should I throw away a wroking PC? |
| 22:10.55 | prizm | it's already outpacing an even faster PC |
| 22:11.07 | nsadmin | because you get tired of getting out and pushing? |
| 22:11.08 | krisfremen | just use it as a file server or a streaming pc |
| 22:11.08 | prizm | debian should be the icing on the cake |
| 22:11.21 | neurolysis | jordanm: will do, thanks |
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| 22:11.27 | benji_ | Hi fox, how would you scp something to a windows machine ? Is there a free ssh server for windows somewhere? |
| 22:11.27 | helo | you should probably just throw everything away |
| 22:11.28 | prizm | my fast desktop doubles as a file server |
| 22:11.30 | helo | just start over! |
| 22:11.41 | krisfremen | benji_: there are a few |
| 22:11.56 | jordanm | benji_: server? don't think so. should be plenty of clients however |
| 22:12.15 | prizm | and this thing barely plays DVDs |
| 22:12.18 | nsadmin | benji_: that's a question for google |
| 22:12.25 | prizm | it can smoothly, but everything else in performance goes down the shitter |
| 22:12.31 | benji_ | ok :) |
| 22:12.34 | benji_ | thanks |
| 22:12.43 | prizm | however, for anything else it's just fine and workjs great |
| 22:12.48 | prizm | and debian would make it better |
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| 22:13.31 | prizm | why should I throw away a fine working, pretty good PC? |
| 22:13.49 | nsadmin | but you did answer your own question... you would need an ssh server on the win box... alternatively you could do it from win to the ssh server running on linux |
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| 22:14.23 | prizm | I'd like to run my software locally |
| 22:14.48 | mee | re: "<prizm> why should I throw away a wroking PC?" -- energy bills |
| 22:15.13 | prizm | it's better on the power than any of my other PCs |
| 22:15.48 | mee | but you said you're already using linux on your speedy machine. You're getting rid of your newer, faster machine to use an old p3? |
| 22:15.53 | prizm | yesh |
| 22:15.56 | prizm | scaling back |
| 22:16.00 | prizm | I run both at the same time |
| 22:16.11 | prizm | and besides, my fast PC has some cooling problems |
| 22:16.22 | mee | underclock it? This plan sounds half-baked |
| 22:16.57 | nsadmin | I don't see a purpose behind putting linux on the other machine either unless it's a laptop |
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| 22:18.19 | prizm | no |
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| 22:18.30 | prizm | the fast PC has microarcetecture problems |
| 22:18.30 | thewanderer1 | is running a p3 933MHz 256M RAM happily |
| 22:18.40 | prizm | netburst has some nasty TDP |
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| 22:19.01 | prizm | an old Northwood celeron isn't too bad, but you can hear the hum of the fan |
| 22:19.07 | prizm | the p3 is silent |
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| 22:21.20 | Caelum | Laidback_01: hi |
| 22:21.33 | Laidback_01 | Caelum, Hey, how goes it! |
| 22:21.51 | Caelum | Laidback_01: very horrible |
| 22:22.04 | Laidback_01 | okay to msg? |
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| 22:24.07 | rhalff | hi, I'm using just X and a a one instance window uzbl-core to show a webpage, any clues on how I can make antialiasing work ? |
| 22:24.10 | fishcooker | can i used debian repository on ubuntu-box |
| 22:24.13 | fishcooker | ?! |
| 22:24.28 | nsadmin | won't work. |
| 22:24.35 | rhalff | there is not window manager loaded at all, so I don't really know where to optimize the fonts |
| 22:24.40 | rhalff | no |
| 22:25.23 | fishcooker | nsadmin rhalff that's no for me sir :( |
| 22:25.55 | nsadmin | right, it will not work. |
| 22:26.13 | rhalff | fishcooker, quess you just have to install ubuntu then :) |
| 22:26.52 | fishcooker | i forget to make the debian repo on my portable hd.... |
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| 22:27.16 | rhalff | for server use and general installations I love debian, on my laptop I love gentoo though, no need to choose only one distro :) |
| 22:27.17 | fishcooker | actually i've ubuntu repo saved, rite now im on knoppix |
| 22:27.22 | fishcooker | live cd |
| 22:27.39 | fishcooker | that's rite rhalff... |
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| 22:28.41 | nsadmin | fishcooker, do you have any debian machines? do you want to install debian? |
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| 22:36.48 | thewanderer1 | I've upgraded to a newer OpenLDAP, but it hasn't migrated my schema - why? how to migrate it by hand? the config file layout and format has changed to LDIF |
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| 22:37.33 | nsadmin | I guess you export ldifs and load them |
| 22:37.39 | thewanderer1 | hmm, how? |
| 22:37.54 | thewanderer1 | the old schema is not in ldif format, but in the old format |
| 22:37.58 | thewanderer1 | text only |
| 22:38.23 | nsadmin | can't the ldap server output the schema in ldif? |
| 22:38.31 | thewanderer1 | I don't know... |
| 22:38.50 | nsadmin | can you translate the "old format" into ldif? |
| 22:38.54 | thewanderer1 | output from where? |
| 22:39.03 | thewanderer1 | well, I guess I could |
| 22:39.30 | nsadmin | see if there are existing tools to do it |
| 22:39.51 | neoice | thewanderer1: are you using the OpenLDAP from Sid? |
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| 22:40.21 | neoice | I had this problem the other day too. its got this cool 'cn=config' directory and such... unfortunately, I solved it by rolling back and restoring from backup :/ |
| 22:40.39 | magyar | hi, is there a way to disable open-office presentation from opening slideshow by default in squeeze? |
| 22:40.56 | BlackFate | thewanderer1, btw do you still get the errors you used to? |
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| 22:41.53 | thewanderer1 | BlackFate: what errors? ctx init in LDAP? heh |
| 22:41.56 | thewanderer1 | neoice: squeeze |
| 22:42.28 | thewanderer1 | BlackFate: the ctx init went away as soon as I commented out the cipher list in the config |
| 22:43.07 | neoice | thewanderer1: what version? cause 2.4.23 _definitely_ is a MAJOR update |
| 22:43.21 | thewanderer1 | yeah, just this |
| 22:43.48 | thewanderer1 | it sucks when you have to rewrite all your config between minor versions |
| 22:44.45 | nsadmin | oh, so I have one question... why are you upgrading? |
| 22:45.06 | neoice | oh, apparently I'm using the BPO version |
| 22:45.33 | neoice | thewanderer1: if you do get it working, would you mind publishing / sharing the details? even a pastebin diff would be plenty |
| 22:46.34 | nsadmin | specifically... if you have something that's working, why would you "upgrade" to something that doesn't? |
| 22:46.46 | neoice | for fun! |
| 22:46.54 | neoice | or to test the new versions for future upgrades |
| 22:47.03 | jelly-home | and now you tested. |
| 22:47.11 | thewanderer1 | http://www.zarafa.com/wiki/index.php/OpenLdap:_Switch_to_dynamic_config_backend_(cn%3Dconfig)#Convert_schema_files_for_import |
| 22:47.18 | thewanderer1 | this looks good, trying it |
| 22:47.21 | jelly-home | "result: migration untrivial" |
| 22:47.38 | thewanderer1 | holy penguin, this is just an upgrade between minor versions |
| 22:47.54 | thewanderer1 | I did it because postfix didn't like the previous one and it was slow |
| 22:48.13 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: it's written by openldap people. don't expect excellent code |
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| 22:48.59 | thewanderer1 | still, the new version works 10x times faster apparently |
| 22:49.09 | thewanderer1 | and it requires 10 times as much maintenance... |
| 22:49.25 | jelly-home | lost a day or three because their crappy lib always outputs debug messages to fd 2, _no matter what fd 2 is used for in the app calling libldap_ |
| 22:49.46 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: that's called job security! |
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| 22:50.23 | thewanderer1 | yeah, sure |
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| 22:53.05 | nsadmin | fd 2 is not stderr? |
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| 22:56.43 | thewanderer1 | ldap_add: Server is unwilling to perform (53) -- great! |
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| 22:56.55 | thewanderer1 | I am unwilling to continue using this... |
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| 22:59.28 | tholl583xx | i am attempting to mount a partitions but it says "structure needs cleanin", its xfs, when I try a xfs_repair its asks me to try to mount the parittion to clear the log |
| 22:59.52 | tholl583xx | is there some tool that will allow the partition to be mounted |
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| 23:03.40 | nsadmin | tholl583xx: there's a #xfs around here somewhere |
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| 23:21.45 | hatter_ | ah no more overflow |
| 23:21.49 | hatter_ | after registering |
| 23:21.56 | hatter_ | pays to read the instructions |
| 23:22.41 | hatter_ | how do i make sure bind only binds to one external ip address ? |
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| 23:33.25 | TheMechanic | hatter_: configure the listen-on directive in named.conf |
| 23:33.50 | hatter_ | TheMechanic, thx |
| 23:34.03 | TheMechanic | hatter_: np |
| 23:35.18 | TheMechanic | it should be something along the lines of listen-on { x.x.x.x; } and then kill -HUP `pidof named` should take care of things |
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| 23:51.14 | Armageddon | what's the package that allows me to use the mouse inside shell ? |
| 23:51.59 | nsadmin | inside what shell? |
| 23:52.21 | Armageddon | terminal ! |
| 23:52.24 | zinx | xterm or gpm... the program has to support it |
| 23:52.36 | zinx | gpm does cutbuffer stuff too, though |
| 23:52.39 | Armageddon | I use bas and xterm |
| 23:52.41 | zinx | if that's what you're talking about |
| 23:52.42 | nsadmin | I think you want gpm |
| 23:52.50 | Armageddon | bash* |
| 23:52.58 | Armageddon | gpm is the one in alt+f1? |
| 23:53.36 | zinx | gpm works with the linux console |
| 23:53.36 | nsadmin | they are "virtual terminals" (vt) |
| 23:53.51 | zinx | i.e., outside X |
| 23:54.20 | Armageddon | yes, vt |
| 23:54.45 | Armageddon | the one called terminal what is it gpm ? |
| 23:54.49 | nsadmin | gpm works with vt |
| 23:55.27 | Armageddon | I'm lost here, there is one in application under gnome, Terminal, what is that called ? |
| 23:55.49 | nsadmin | you already have mouse in X for gnome |
| 23:56.58 | vlan7 | search google for gpm, it requires some config |
| 23:57.01 | nsadmin | if you want to get unlost, find out what means "terminal", and look at it before/without graphics of any kind |
| 23:57.11 | Armageddon | okay, I'm trying to code in ncurses and the mouse doesn't work in neither vt or shell (Alt+Ctrl+F1) |
| 23:59.02 | nsadmin | ctrl-f1 IS a vt (or, switches you to one of the vts) |
| 23:59.20 | nsadmin | ctrl-alt-f7 is ALSO a vt, used by X |
| 23:59.43 | Armageddon | okay so far so good ! |
| 23:59.44 | MrFrood | Armageddon: gpm is the mouse driver for the console, it runs as a daemon and everytime I've installed it gpm has just worked without any config |